| 00:00.17 | jpinx-eeepc | ScottG: bad card |
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| 00:00.34 | ScottG | So that card is physically beyond repair? |
| 00:00.39 | jpinx-eeepc | ScottG: check your reader with another card |
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| 00:01.02 | beardy | ScottG: and/or your card in another reader |
| 00:01.04 | jpinx-eeepc | ScottG: if the reader is ok, bin the card |
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| 00:01.31 | ScottG | I am pretty sure the card reader is ok |
| 00:01.33 | jpinx-eeepc | ScottG: different makes of SD cards have different useful lives |
| 00:01.55 | ScottG | Yea, pretty sure the guy at the Sprint store did sometime to it when he was fixing my phone, then |
| 00:01.58 | achury | Is there any project to clone WordPerfect on linux? |
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| 00:02.33 | ScottG | He must have damaged it when he was taking off my phones screen to fix something |
| 00:03.08 | jpinx-eeepc | ScottG: that or you just co-incidentally have come to the end of it's life |
| 00:04.36 | gnarface | i've had issues with some cheap SD cards that have trouble writing too much data too fast - sometimes results in fat corruption and i have to fsck the thing |
| 00:04.42 | abrotman | achury: eww, and there was was WP for linux long ago .. but OO can open those documents |
| 00:04.45 | gnarface | i've also heard that sometimes they can be highly heat sensetive |
| 00:05.02 | gnarface | some people have better luck with hot devices if the card has been pre-refridgerated |
| 00:05.10 | ScottG | jpinx-eeepc: Well it was fine, gave it to the guy, got it back 5 minutes later and it was fucked. So that is quite unlikely |
| 00:05.33 | jpinx-eeepc | refrigerates gnarface s memory |
| 00:05.44 | jpinx-eeepc | ScottG: fairysnuff ;) |
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| 00:08.11 | EduardeCalibal | This kernel (2.6.26-1-686) dont boot with a reiserfs disk? |
| 00:08.36 | abrotman | wonders if WP for Linux (the old one) would still work |
| 00:08.43 | ScottG | jpinx-eeepc: What? |
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| 00:11.47 | debiantonio | EduardeCalibal: if master... |
| 00:12.07 | EduardeCalibal | Yes, is master. I enter in some type of flushbox and mount the disk |
| 00:12.10 | EduardeCalibal | But dont boot. |
| 00:13.22 | debiantonio | EduardeCalibal: bios? |
| 00:13.35 | EduardeCalibal | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:15.36 | debiantonio | EduardeCalibal: 25 : Disk read error??? |
| 00:15.44 | EduardeCalibal | Moment... |
| 00:15.52 | debiantonio | EduardeCalibal: grub |
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| 00:19.49 | EduardeCalibal | Now I see the error, the boot process try mount the root system in this directory "/root" and return "no such device" |
| 00:20.30 | EduardeCalibal | I reading my images here in my deb collection, any image is from ubuntu... |
| 00:20.47 | EduardeCalibal | I am... |
| 00:21.15 | EduardeCalibal | I found a debian... linux-image-2.6.35-rc5-486_2.6.35~rc5-1~experimental.1_i386.deb |
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| 00:24.20 | achury | I really miss WordPerfect, I dislike the MSWord way to manage the text where paragraphs are "objects", OOo has cloned the same object oriented text edition, WordPerfect and WordStar were more "text oriented" |
| 00:25.05 | Hopsa | achury: Dont you just love OpenOffices Writer and webwriter tools ? |
| 00:25.24 | achury | This page: http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT3384559748.html says that WP9 for linux was really WP for windows with a modified WINE |
| 00:25.28 | EduardeCalibal | Hum... Maybe have a configuration to turn more like you need. |
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| 00:26.04 | achury | OOo is a clone of MSWORD |
| 00:26.23 | achury | Have you tried WordPerfect with reveal codes? |
| 00:26.30 | dondelelcaro | achury: if you actually want something which is text-oriented, you want latex. |
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| 00:26.45 | dondelelcaro | everything else is a pale immitation |
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| 00:27.41 | achury | Yes, I like LYX, but remain the problem of share documents with the world |
| 00:27.49 | dondelelcaro | achury: that's why pdf exists |
| 00:28.04 | beardy | Hear hear. |
| 00:28.06 | dondelelcaro | if they want to look at the source, you give them the tex |
| 00:28.10 | achury | Yes, you are rigth |
| 00:28.25 | dondelelcaro | (or in my usual case, the Rnw) |
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| 00:29.51 | EduardeCalibal | Wow... I found my kernel in a Debian repository, this make my system a Debian then? |
| 00:30.42 | EduardeCalibal | ftp.de.debian.org, kernel 2.6.32-5-486 |
| 00:30.45 | EduardeCalibal | Then |
| 00:31.06 | achury | For example, there is a simple thing I cant do simply on OpenOffice, put a word beginning the line and another word ending the same line. On word perfect you simply insert an [alignRigth] character in the middle of both words, On MSWORD or OpenOffice you must to crate a tab or use a more complex tick |
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| 00:31.55 | EduardeCalibal | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:32.18 | kmonk | hihi ^_^ |
| 00:32.26 | EduardeCalibal | Hi. |
| 00:33.02 | achury | May be a have not studied enougth the program, I cant find how to do so |
| 00:33.17 | kmonk | EduardeCalibal: using the debian repository as your main repository for package management will in effect make your system a "debian system" although it's best to start afresh |
| 00:33.23 | EduardeCalibal | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:33.51 | achury | Aditional to this, the WordPerfect way to analize documents is as stream of characters, more like as unix is suppossed to work |
| 00:33.53 | EduardeCalibal | Yes, I have ubuntu here, but with low points. I dont remember, but I config this with some code... Maybe time ago. |
| 00:34.06 | EduardeCalibal | My primary is debian untable. |
| 00:34.10 | snail | achury: are you running word perfect of debian? |
| 00:34.30 | kmonk | achury: I'm sure it's possible, many things are possible in OpenOffice but it has its own methods, i found abiwords functionality much more similar to M$ app |
| 00:34.51 | EduardeCalibal | archury, I have a old friend who love word star. :D |
| 00:34.52 | achury | No, I want to find a WP clone on debian |
| 00:34.54 | achury | Dont exist such thing? |
| 00:35.18 | achury | I love it too :-) |
| 00:35.23 | EduardeCalibal | :D |
| 00:35.26 | snail | achury: sure. LaTeX. does everything you need and more |
| 00:35.33 | kmonk | word perfect? corel made word perfect not microsoft :D anyway, you should try abiword if you haven't already |
| 00:35.34 | snail | ;) |
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| 00:35.43 | achury | VI, nano and other text editors use word star keystrokes |
| 00:36.04 | snail | achury: vi predates wordstar, so it's the other way around |
| 00:36.37 | achury | Abiword is similar to MSWORD and OpenOffice |
| 00:36.43 | EduardeCalibal | Yes, vi is good, but you need know keys to every. |
| 00:37.02 | dondelelcaro | and vi keystrokes are totally different from nano's keystrokes, which is totally different from the keystrokes of emacs |
| 00:37.22 | snail | achury: 'similar' depends on the task and there are some many versions of these programs that you really need to give version numbers when making comparisons |
| 00:37.25 | EduardeCalibal | ...better is work with a manual aside... |
| 00:37.44 | dondelelcaro | EduardeCalibal: anyone who seriously uses a text editor pretty much has to master it; vim does have documentation |
| 00:38.12 | EduardeCalibal | I know. But need time to serious use. |
| 00:38.37 | kmonk | i'm not sure if a 'clone' exists, maybe just run wordperfect in wine? heh. |
| 00:38.56 | achury | I like Efte editor, has a lot of nice features for programmers |
| 00:39.31 | debiantonio | EduardeCalibal: ainta tenho meus disquetes do Lotus 123 |
| 00:39.49 | EduardeCalibal | :D |
| 00:40.05 | debiantonio | od MSDOS 2.0 |
| 00:40.16 | debiantonio | do WorStar2000 |
| 00:40.23 | achury | I like lotus 123, but Qpro was the best DOS spreadsheet |
| 00:40.24 | EduardeCalibal | In MSDOS I used edit... |
| 00:40.25 | EduardeCalibal | Only. |
| 00:40.31 | debiantonio | WordStar2000 |
| 00:41.02 | EduardeCalibal | Now I remember.... Wordstar is to MSDOS too. |
| 00:41.03 | achury | Have you tried FreeDOS? |
| 00:41.07 | debiantonio | i'm use debug to format low level hds |
| 00:41.14 | EduardeCalibal | Oo |
| 00:41.27 | achury | FreeDOS run great on DOSEMU |
| 00:41.40 | EduardeCalibal | I use to run X-com |
| 00:41.44 | achury | Yes WordStar for Windows was a fool |
| 00:41.52 | EduardeCalibal | Terror from deep... |
| 00:42.17 | kmonk | bbl |
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| 00:43.12 | debiantonio | wonderful .bat's :) |
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| 00:43.46 | EduardeCalibal | About word perfect to Linux (http://kiwitobes.com/wiki/WordPerfect.html) |
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| 00:44.14 | debiantonio | EduardeCalibal: faz tempo q soh uso BR-Office |
| 00:44.22 | EduardeCalibal | Idem. |
| 00:44.52 | debiantonio | EduardeCalibal: tirei todas cópias piratas do M$Office do escritorio |
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| 00:45.01 | debiantonio | na marra |
| 00:45.43 | EduardeCalibal | Hehehe. |
| 00:45.52 | abrotman | english in here |
| 00:46.36 | EduardeCalibal | Ops. Sorry. |
| 00:47.26 | debiantonio | sorry abrotman!!!! |
| 00:47.38 | achury | Eu falo portunhol! |
| 00:47.59 | debiantonio | portenho? |
| 00:48.06 | debiantonio | hahaha |
| 00:48.29 | achury | Portunhol: is the mixed portuguese-spanish talked in border lines around Brazil |
| 00:48.38 | achury | portugues-español |
| 00:49.06 | EduardeCalibal | Caution debiantonio, this is Trolland... Without caution you receive a mega-ckick. |
| 00:49.15 | EduardeCalibal | kick... |
| 00:49.39 | achury | What is BR-Office? OpenOffice for Brazil |
| 00:49.40 | debiantonio | EduardeCalibal: trool nada |
| 00:49.44 | EduardeCalibal | Yes |
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| 00:50.09 | EduardeCalibal | With the translations, I think is the only diff. |
| 00:50.41 | achury | Sorry Eduarde, may be we a little off-topic but not trolling |
| 00:50.43 | EduardeCalibal | ...and spelling. |
| 00:50.54 | EduardeCalibal | Not now. But some times ocour. |
| 00:51.06 | debiantonio | EduardeCalibal: wrong window |
| 00:51.08 | EduardeCalibal | Dont remember how write this word... |
| 00:51.35 | EduardeCalibal | occur? |
| 00:51.44 | EduardeCalibal | Ok, now is the correct word. :D |
| 00:52.04 | EduardeCalibal | Thanks spell check. |
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| 00:53.21 | EduardeCalibal | I am very tolerant with offtopics and errors, but here. One word and someone jump in your neck. Very dangerous place. Good for training :D |
| 00:53.23 | achury | Sometimes happens to me, my native language is spanish, and sometimes I have some talks on english and other in spanish |
| 00:53.47 | debiantonio | achury: me too |
| 00:54.01 | debiantonio | portuguesse and english |
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| 00:54.39 | achury | debiantonio: What is BR-Office |
| 00:54.40 | achury | OpenOffice for brizilian users? |
| 00:54.48 | debiantonio | yes |
| 00:55.09 | EduardeCalibal | I am from Brasil to archury... |
| 00:55.12 | EduardeCalibal | :D |
| 00:55.40 | EduardeCalibal | I think this to is too... Bad. |
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| 00:56.07 | achury | I hear about the big project of multiseat computers on Brazil, had you a chance to test such machines? |
| 00:56.20 | EduardeCalibal | oO |
| 00:56.23 | abrotman | there is a #debian-offtopic you can use |
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| 00:56.45 | achury | Look for multiseat on wikipedia, there is comments about this |
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| 00:56.47 | debiantonio | Oo |
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| 00:57.30 | EduardeCalibal | abrotman, you prefer a channel without chat, I am in some channels with zero messages, hours and hours... Very bad place to seek help. |
| 00:57.47 | EduardeCalibal | Aka, C++ channels. |
| 00:59.14 | debiantonio | EduardeCalibal: is debian only for other missives other channels |
| 00:59.16 | EduardeCalibal | Multiseat, nice. I read some about it a many time. |
| 01:00.11 | abrotman | EduardeCalibal: this channel is for Debian support, not general chatter, use #debian-offtopic for that |
| 01:00.47 | debiantonio | hummmmm |
| 01:00.49 | EduardeCalibal | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:01.04 | abrotman | please use #debian-offtopic |
| 01:01.09 | EduardeCalibal | Ok... |
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| 01:06.30 | EduardeCalibal | I need make my system work again... Work to do. AFK. |
| 01:07.31 | debiantonio | EduardeCalibal: join .iso debian, format hd and boot cd |
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| 01:09.44 | debiantonio | :) |
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| 01:15.33 | elik | Say I want to replace my home router by a debian box, anyone have good resources on that topic... All I could find is 5+ years old |
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| 01:16.07 | abrotman | hasn't changed tha tmuch |
| 01:17.02 | siOuX_ | is there Samba 4 in repository of the unstable version? |
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| 01:17.23 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:17.34 | abrotman | judd: versions samba4 |
| 01:17.37 | judd | samba4 -- sid: 4.0.0~alpha8+git20090912-1 |
| 01:17.46 | elik | abrotman, any particular reference? I found http://www.aboutdebian.com/proxy.htm which seemed pretty complete |
| 01:18.00 | abrotman | is it just a simple router? |
| 01:18.05 | abrotman | netfilter.org has lots of docs |
| 01:18.13 | abrotman | might be overkill, but they're a good read |
| 01:18.58 | elik | abrotman, cool, I love overkill :) |
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| 01:19.09 | EduardeCalibal | Ok... I update my kernel and now my problem... still here. If I try mount my cdrom with a normal user I receive a message about "need root to mount" and using root I mount without problem. |
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| 01:19.31 | EduardeCalibal | I tested pmount and dont work to. Same message. |
| 01:20.21 | EduardeCalibal | Tips? |
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| 01:20.47 | siOuX_ | i install debian lenny through netinstall, how i update my system to sid? |
| 01:20.54 | debiantonio | EduardeCalibal: man pmount |
| 01:21.01 | dvs | EduardeCalibal: "user" isn't an option in /etc/fstab |
| 01:21.21 | EduardeCalibal | users? |
| 01:21.22 | siOuX_ | or better install through netinstall of sid? |
| 01:21.51 | EduardeCalibal | siOuX_, I have a bad retrospect of this type of update. |
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| 01:22.41 | siOuX_ | EduardeCalibal, where i download the sid version? |
| 01:23.05 | abrotman | please don't |
| 01:23.17 | debiantonio | EduardeCalibal: /dev is user? |
| 01:23.21 | EduardeCalibal | I think the better is try the netinstall, but I dont have a god experience with this. |
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| 01:23.28 | EduardeCalibal | Moment... |
| 01:24.02 | EduardeCalibal | The /dev is root only |
| 01:24.07 | EduardeCalibal | This is the problem? |
| 01:24.29 | debiantonio | EduardeCalibal: EduardeCalibal no |
| 01:24.42 | EduardeCalibal | :-/ |
| 01:24.59 | debiantonio | EduardeCalibal: my fstab only /dev |
| 01:27.45 | EduardeCalibal | dvs, I found user in my man pages and work well in a second machine. |
| 01:27.53 | EduardeCalibal | ...in fstab |
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| 01:28.16 | dvs | EduardeCalibal: cat /etc/fstab | grep cdrom |
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| 01:28.37 | EduardeCalibal | Is /dev/sr0 /media/cdrom udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0 |
| 01:28.42 | EduardeCalibal | Ignore the is... |
| 01:29.07 | dvs | oh, the option is there |
| 01:29.16 | EduardeCalibal | oO |
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| 01:31.01 | debiantonio | EduardeCalibal: do you read manual debian or cookbook...or...? |
| 01:31.16 | EduardeCalibal | I read manual, let me see again. |
| 01:31.31 | EduardeCalibal | Is it, man fstab |
| 01:31.33 | EduardeCalibal | :D |
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| 01:31.43 | debiantonio | EduardeCalibal: debianWiki is fine, linuxquestions too |
| 01:32.08 | debiantonio | EduardeCalibal: logs this channel is best |
| 01:32.34 | EduardeCalibal | I read some about it a many time ago... I seek. In any case thanks. |
| 01:32.44 | debiantonio | EduardeCalibal: best source for me!!! |
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| 01:35.23 | marshallmc | where is wpa_supplicant.conf? |
| 01:35.27 | marshallmc | or where do i have to create |
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| 01:36.20 | dvs | marshallmc: you have to create it |
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| 01:36.42 | marshallmc | and place it where? |
| 01:37.02 | dvs | marshallmc: anywhere you want. preferably in /etc/wpa_supplicant |
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| 01:37.46 | marshallmc | ty dvs |
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| 01:39.09 | gabrielcz | Hi all folks, I have problems installing debian 5 with a raid1. grub don´t install.. any clue please? |
| 01:40.00 | dondelelcaro | gabrielcz: if it's really a raid1 device, grub won't have a problem, since it'll work just like a normal drive |
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| 01:40.27 | gabrielcz | yes, is a raid1 |
| 01:40.32 | gabrielcz | made from bios setup |
| 01:41.10 | gabrielcz | I must start the installer with bmraid=true |
| 01:41.19 | dondelelcaro | gabrielcz: that's almost certainly software raid1, then. |
| 01:41.22 | gabrielcz | if not, debian installer see the 2 discks |
| 01:41.33 | dvs | np |
| 01:41.37 | gabrielcz | well... ok |
| 01:41.52 | dondelelcaro | gabrielcz: you're better off using the linux kernel raid instead of bmraid |
| 01:42.35 | dondelelcaro | gabrielcz: that at least will work correctly; presumably what is happening is that the bios isn't reporting the software raid correctly to grub and/or you're not passing the proper arguments to the kernel to get the raid loaded early enough |
| 01:42.43 | gabrielcz | and where I get that kernel? |
| 01:43.12 | dondelelcaro | gabrielcz: every Debian kernel supports md raid |
| 01:43.19 | gabrielcz | do you speak spanish? |
| 01:43.28 | gabrielcz | so its a initial parameter? |
| 01:44.25 | karlpinc | !tell gabrielcz about es |
| 01:44.50 | poisonbit | today debian loose a 10 years user (/me) |
| 01:45.03 | karlpinc | gabrielcz: You setup your disks with md raid and after that it just works. That's my experience. YMMV. |
| 01:45.04 | poisonbit | just by testing the squeeze daily installer |
| 01:45.19 | rudi_s_ | poisonbit: What's wrong with it? |
| 01:45.30 | gabrielcz | what is mdraid please? |
| 01:45.38 | gabrielcz | don´t get it |
| 01:45.41 | poisonbit | what is sush bug in /etc&profile quoting and that stupid thing blue pill in /etc/bash.bashrc at the end |
| 01:45.52 | poisonbit | i'm sorry |
| 01:45.56 | poisonbit | debianis owned |
| 01:46.06 | karlpinc | !md |
| 01:46.07 | dpkg | "Multidisk Device" (MD) is commonly used to describe the software <RAID> facilities available in the Linux kernel. This means you can RAID with any disks, with no need for a special (read winmodem) hardware controller. To establish at Debian installation time, see section 6.3.2.3 of the <install guide>. See also <mdadm>. http://wiki.debian.org/SoftwareRAID http://linux.yyz.us/why-software-raid.html http://raid.wiki.kernel.org/ |
| 01:46.10 | poisonbit | by release dates of canonical lemmings |
| 01:46.13 | rudi_s_ | poisonbit: Well, report a bug if something troubles you ... |
| 01:46.22 | debiantonio | poisonbit: no,,,i'm 10 years old debianmaniac :s |
| 01:46.36 | poisonbit | no, i can't fight over canonical, 6 dpends on python for libxapiaqn ? |
| 01:46.40 | EduardeCalibal | I use a many time to... |
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| 01:47.10 | dansushi | hey debian users, anyone using kde 4.5 and liking it? |
| 01:47.12 | poisonbit | good bye folks, good luck, i will switch some bsd or something not enterprissed |
| 01:47.15 | EduardeCalibal | Make a frankstein system, I have one... My precious monster. |
| 01:47.16 | gabrielcz | so, you are telling me that I need to install debian again and then make a raid1 using md ? |
| 01:47.20 | gabrielcz | right? |
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| 01:47.24 | debiantonio | poisonbit: never switch debian for other |
| 01:48.20 | gabrielcz | I have debian already installed, I can not boot it :( |
| 01:48.30 | dondelelcaro | gabrielcz: that's what I'm suggesting you do. |
| 01:48.35 | peterrooney | debian is soooo corporate. |
| 01:49.14 | dondelelcaro | gabrielcz: otherwise, you'll have to give us more information as to what grub is actually doing, and what error you get. |
| 01:49.15 | karlpinc | gabrielcz: No. Just install mdadm and raid the disks. (Of course you'd need to be able to boot it.) If it won't boot, then a re-install telling the installer to raid would work. (You may need expert mode to setup raid, I forget.) |
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| 01:49.38 | Nai-ux | does anyone know where I might find etch business card iso? |
| 01:50.09 | karlpinc | Nai-ux: archive.debian.org, perhaps. But using such a thing would be a mistake. |
| 01:50.35 | abrotman | Nai-ux: why would you want that? |
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| 01:51.38 | Nai-ux | so i can build for older systems to make sure my dev stuff works, since people usually leave their systems in place for a couple of years not upgrade every 5 minutes |
| 01:51.52 | gabrielcz | MMmmm |
| 01:52.15 | gabrielcz | so I will reinstall whithout dmraid=true |
| 01:52.33 | gabrielcz | and THEN I will install mdadm and THEN I will create a raid1 :) |
| 01:52.39 | gabrielcz | thats sounds ok? |
| 01:52.50 | karlpinc | gabrielcz: You will want to be sure to turn off whatever broken raid the bios wants to do, or whatever else it is that's not real hardware raid. (And I don't care for hardware raid unless you've the resources to keep spare controllers around.) |
| 01:53.04 | gabrielcz | I will make a raid using this guide: http://wiki.debian.org/SoftwareRAID |
| 01:53.23 | gabrielcz | ok. |
| 01:53.24 | karlpinc | gabrielcz: You can raid during the installation process. That is probably easiest. |
| 01:53.42 | karlpinc | gabrielcz: See the install manual. |
| 01:53.50 | gabrielcz | at the install process? using expert mode? rigth? |
| 01:53.58 | gabrielcz | ok karlpinc thanks for advaices. |
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| 01:54.09 | gabrielcz | I will erase raid made with bios software. |
| 01:54.10 | s3a | how do i use the pi constant in gcalctool? |
| 01:54.28 | gabrielcz | and I will take a look to google to see howto install debian and made a raid1 at that time :D |
| 01:54.55 | karlpinc | gabrielcz: Go to debian.org and read the installation instructions. |
| 01:55.24 | abrotman | Nai-ux: etch hasn't been supported in about six months, lenny has been out 18 months |
| 01:55.58 | wrench- | i'm trying to determine which kernel i need for intel 82574L support |
| 01:56.47 | abrotman | do you have the pciid ? |
| 01:57.35 | wrench- | is that found in lspci output? |
| 01:58.07 | wrench- | 01:00.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82574L Gigabit Network Connection |
| 01:58.09 | wrench- | 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82574L Gigabit Network Connection |
| 01:58.37 | s3a | how do i use the pi constant in gcalctool? |
| 01:59.44 | abrotman | wrench-: lspci -nn |
| 01:59.59 | moldovean | s3a, explain better , then asking same things twice |
| 02:00.08 | wrench- | i am not in front of the system right now unfortunately |
| 02:00.19 | wrench- | once i have the pciid, what should i do? |
| 02:00.21 | abrotman | wrench-: the pciid is the important bit |
| 02:00.29 | abrotman | wrench-: ask us mostly .. |
| 02:00.34 | s3a | moldovean, i don't even see it, it's annoying and innacurate to use 3.14159 instead of pi |
| 02:00.36 | abrotman | judd: pciid 8086:1043 |
| 02:00.37 | judd | [8086:1043] is '03b CUBX-L/E Mainboard' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ipw2200', 'ipw2100' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:1043 http://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200 |
| 02:00.38 | abrotman | for example |
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| 02:00.46 | abrotman | good guess! |
| 02:01.25 | wrench- | let me ask another question... is there anyway i can download a linux driver from intel and then somehow incorporate that into an older kernel? |
| 02:01.54 | dvs | wrench-: or you could get a newer kernel |
| 02:01.54 | abrotman | depends on how they have it packaged up |
| 02:03.21 | EduardeCalibal | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:04.22 | abrotman | it depends on how they've packaged it up .. |
| 02:05.27 | Nai-ux | abrotman: i will also be testing potato, woody, if you have links for either of those that would be helpful. debian.org and archive.debian.org is not working for me at the moment |
| 02:05.45 | Nai-ux | s/is\ not/are\ not/ |
| 02:05.55 | abrotman | it works here |
| 02:06.05 | valbaca | (please let me know if this should be asked somewhere else) if I wanted to use debian in a movie scene, would I have to ask anyone for permission or anything like that? |
| 02:06.20 | abrotman | http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/ .. yay floppies! |
| 02:06.32 | dvs | o_O |
| 02:06.55 | wrench- | looks like support for the 82574L was added in 2.6.28 |
| 02:06.58 | abrotman | valbaca: you could email debian-legal@lists.debian.org |
| 02:07.14 | valbaca | abrotman, thanks |
| 02:07.15 | abrotman | Nai-ux: http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian-cd/ .. have some older versoins .. good luck! |
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| 02:07.32 | EduardeCalibal | Ok... I mount with normal user now, but I need add the root status to the mount... This dons is a good path no? |
| 02:07.45 | EduardeCalibal | Before I have messages like "mount: must be superuser to use mount" |
| 02:08.05 | Nai-ux | abrotman, thanks, i am guessing the sources for the old version will be 404 though. |
| 02:08.14 | abrotman | Nai-ux: that's what archive.debian.org is for |
| 02:08.38 | Nai-ux | ok thanks |
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| 02:09.27 | EduardeCalibal | To work with normal user mount need receive a +s flag? |
| 02:09.33 | abrotman | no |
| 02:09.47 | EduardeCalibal | Some is wrong here then... Thanks. |
| 02:09.48 | abrotman | stop doing bad things to your filesystem persmissions |
| 02:10.08 | EduardeCalibal | My mount dont work, I need this working.. |
| 02:10.19 | abrotman | it's not the persmission s of the binary |
| 02:10.25 | EduardeCalibal | But I think this is a bad path... In any case. |
| 02:10.42 | EduardeCalibal | Hum... Permission to execute with the permission of the owner? |
| 02:11.00 | abrotman | if you don't want to listen, don't ask .. do whatever you want |
| 02:11.14 | EduardeCalibal | +s is this permission? |
| 02:11.16 | abrotman | it's your box, screw it up howeveryou want |
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| 02:13.07 | EduardeCalibal | Without this option I receive again the message about only root... |
| 02:13.24 | EduardeCalibal | I think I have a configuration file with this option set. |
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| 02:15.12 | EduardeCalibal | Nice. I mount with +s in mount but when I try umount, same error. |
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| 02:18.04 | Flaim | any exim4 experts at hand? |
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| 02:19.17 | diego26876 | Hi, I've got debian lenny 5.0.5 and used backportes to install iceweasel 3.5, the problem is that my media codec from totem won't play any stream media, I would be very thankful with any suggestion |
| 02:19.42 | dvs | !multimedia |
| 02:19.42 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>. |
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| 02:20.58 | Wildweasal | !dmm mirrors |
| 02:20.58 | dpkg | Servers mirroring debian-multimedia.org content are listed at http://www.debian-multimedia.org/debian-m.php (copy at http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:www.debian-multimedia.org/debian-m.php). |
| 02:22.50 | abrotman | diego26876: did you install the totem/mozilla plugin? and the gstreamer plugins ? |
| 02:24.49 | diego26876 | yes I did install the toyen mozilla plugin and the gstreamer plugins, and with iceweasel 3 was working but when I apt-get removed iceweasel 3 and install 3.5 from backpors, it suddenly stopped working |
| 02:25.17 | EduardeCalibal | Hum... I see a "+" symbol in the end of details about the device from my cdrom, what is this? |
| 02:26.02 | Guest3549 | so, i'm kind of screwed until saturday here unless i reinstall every package on this server, i've already tried "aptitude reinstall '~i'" but it's providing me with an error: |
| 02:26.05 | Guest3549 | E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on bash |
| 02:26.05 | Guest3549 | A package failed to install. Trying to recover: |
| 02:26.06 | Guest3549 | any ideas? |
| 02:26.24 | abrotman | Guest3549: dpkg --configure -a ? |
| 02:26.32 | abrotman | is there a more descriptive error ? |
| 02:26.42 | Guest3549 | no output from it |
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| 02:27.23 | abrotman | nothing at all /. |
| 02:27.24 | abrotman | ? |
| 02:27.26 | Guest3549 | nope |
| 02:28.37 | Guest3549 | http://pastebin.com/jge6SaqV |
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| 02:29.33 | abrotman | what did you do to your system ? |
| 02:31.30 | EduardeCalibal | Maybe dpkg-reconfigure -a is to this type of problem? |
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| 02:32.18 | moldovean | http://skynetdev.ath.cx/ : 500 - Internal Server Error |
| 02:32.47 | kmonk | hi everybody :D |
| 02:33.14 | kmonk | i wish to start a private ftp network for the lan, any suggestions? |
| 02:33.16 | Guest3549 | moldovean: yes, that's probably because lots of things were deleted and are just running in ram |
| 02:34.04 | Guest3549 | http://pastebin.com/tHjZTRNu |
| 02:34.06 | kmonk | more specifically, which ftp server to use. |
| 02:34.09 | Guest3549 | that didn't work so well either |
| 02:34.39 | abrotman | kmonk: vsftpd or proftpd |
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| 02:35.33 | kmonk | thanks abrotman, how's things? |
| 02:35.34 | EduardeCalibal | Guest3549, aptitude do similar here if I dont read all messages and accept all changes. |
| 02:35.37 | danols | where do you guys server your websites from in debian /var/www or /srv/www ? |
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| 02:36.47 | abrotman | danols: the default is www, you can make it whatever you want |
| 02:37.05 | EduardeCalibal | You need reinstall all before restart or your system dont restart, I think. |
| 02:37.36 | EduardeCalibal | This last message is to Guest3549, before someone read and understand another thing... :D |
| 02:37.45 | Guest3549 | eh, just means i'll have to wait till the weekend, i guess |
| 02:37.51 | abrotman | Guest3549: so you've deleted massive parts of the system ? |
| 02:38.02 | abrotman | Guest3549: how did you do that? |
| 02:38.20 | EduardeCalibal | I have a shot... aptitude. |
| 02:38.47 | Guest3549 | abrotman, was trying to delete some mysql files from /, aaaand a bit of human error ended up to bash deleting /bin, /lib, and /var. |
| 02:38.57 | EduardeCalibal | oo |
| 02:39.08 | abrotman | Guest3549: do you still have busybox ? |
| 02:39.11 | EduardeCalibal | Bad memories... |
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| 02:39.18 | abrotman | eh .. nevermind |
| 02:39.26 | abrotman | Guest3549: is 'ar' still there? is tar still there ? |
| 02:39.38 | Guest3549 | ar is, tar isn't |
| 02:39.50 | abrotman | is busybox ? |
| 02:39.55 | Guest3549 | nope |
| 02:40.01 | EduardeCalibal | You deleted all programs and tools... |
| 02:40.07 | EduardeCalibal | And packages... |
| 02:40.10 | abrotman | EduardeCalibal: don't you have more permissions to mess up ? |
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| 02:40.36 | abrotman | Guest3549: i was going to tell you that you could manually extract the .deb files .. but if you're missing a lot of basic tools, it'll be pretty rough |
| 02:40.56 | Guest3549 | i could see if i can somehow get busybox on there |
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| 02:41.15 | EduardeCalibal | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:41.30 | abrotman | busybox has tar, but not ar .. so you can 'ar x foo.deb' .. then tar -zxf data.tar.gz .. and place them manually |
| 02:41.34 | abrotman | EduardeCalibal: you're not helping |
| 02:41.43 | abrotman | Guest3549: but honestly, it's a lot of work |
| 02:41.54 | Guest3549 | abrotman, i'll probably just reinstall this weekend |
| 02:41.57 | EduardeCalibal | oO |
| 02:41.59 | Guest3549 | it wasn't doing anything major |
| 02:42.33 | danols | could somone define the stable testing and unstable debian repositories ? |
| 02:42.55 | EduardeCalibal | After my first "incident" like it I have some media with packages to help. |
| 02:44.20 | abrotman | !tell danols about releases |
| 02:44.24 | EduardeCalibal | Guest3549, I repair this type of problem with a disc (Life CD) and making any install to your disk using chroot, after completed restart and repair all. |
| 02:44.47 | EduardeCalibal | The last time this method work. |
| 02:44.49 | Guest3549 | EduardeCalibal, the main problem is that i don't have access to the machine in question at the moment |
| 02:44.57 | Guest3549 | other than ssh |
| 02:45.01 | EduardeCalibal | :-/ |
| 02:45.06 | Guest3549 | which is magically still alive in ram |
| 02:46.16 | danols | abrotman: thanks! |
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| 02:46.27 | abrotman | Guest3549: you could scp up binaries? |
| 02:46.39 | abrotman | or tar over scp |
| 02:46.44 | danols | is it ok to mix some stable and testing ? as the package I want has a version that is too old for what I need it for? |
| 02:46.49 | abrotman | no |
| 02:46.53 | abrotman | danols: which package? |
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| 02:47.30 | danols | django |
| 02:47.42 | danols | so nothing server critical I think |
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| 02:47.54 | abrotman | doesn't that depend on a newer python ? |
| 02:47.57 | danols | yes |
| 02:48.13 | abrotman | there is a newer version at backports.org |
| 02:48.14 | danols | what I did was configure apt to show testing packages |
| 02:48.35 | abrotman | !tell danols about bpo |
| 02:48.45 | EduardeCalibal | I need go, good lucky Guest3549. Maybe you repair the system before restart... Cya guys. |
| 02:48.50 | danols | abrotman: can you advise why this isn't recommended ? I installed in on another server and seems all is 'dandy' |
| 02:49.10 | atrain | Hello |
| 02:49.20 | abrotman | danols: a) no security support for testing yet b) mixing those packages could change core packages that could create massive instability |
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| 02:50.00 | EduardeCalibal | Guest3549, now I remember, have a basic system in some place... I dont know the location, maybe in a repository... With the basic tools. |
| 02:50.03 | danols | I think I read somewhere that mixing stable and unstable is better? |
| 02:50.14 | EduardeCalibal | In any case good hunt. |
| 02:50.15 | danols | or should I just add this backport to my sources list? |
| 02:50.37 | abrotman | danols: mixing stable with anything is bad |
| 02:50.48 | abrotman | if you want to get newer stuff, you either use backports.org or backport it yourself |
| 02:50.49 | Guest3549 | abrotman, the server is refusing the sftp connection, so basically the only access i have to the server right now is my ssh section opened before everything got deleted |
| 02:50.58 | abrotman | Guest3549: bleh ... okay |
| 02:50.58 | Guest3549 | *session |
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| 02:51.08 | abrotman | can it scp out ? |
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| 02:51.37 | Guest3549 | the scp command still exists, so i assume that's a good thing |
| 02:53.08 | danols | abrotman: so the recommended way is backports ? |
| 02:53.23 | danols | how would I flush my aptitude db as I just updated it with the testing tree as well |
| 02:53.29 | Guest3549 | well, wget even still exists |
| 02:53.31 | danols | I would like to try with backports |
| 02:53.34 | Guest3549 | i can fetch a busybox binary |
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| 02:54.19 | abrotman | danols: the aptitude man page should help |
| 02:54.30 | Guest3549 | ...unfortunately, no chmod, can't make the busybox binary executable |
| 02:54.33 | moldovean | Guest3549, debootstarp is installed ? |
| 02:54.39 | abrotman | Guest3549: unfortunately, time for sleep .. but you can use ar/tar/mv to get stuff in the right place |
| 02:54.45 | Guest3549 | moldovean, nope |
| 02:55.14 | Guest3549 | abrotman, mk, i'll try to see if i can get that done |
| 02:55.15 | Flaim | my exim4 mailserver is not sending mail to any hosts.. I've set it up as a basic standalone host w/ dpgk-reconfigure.. |
| 02:55.20 | danols | abrotman: :) thanks for your help |
| 02:55.55 | Flaim | the mainlog shows a bunch of "Connection refused" errors |
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| 02:59.12 | moldovean | Guest3549, whats remote system , lenny ? |
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| 03:00.38 | Guest3549 | moldovean, yes |
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| 03:01.06 | Guest3549 | now, i've gotta go, i'll leave my laptop on overnight and hope the ssh session doesn't disconnect |
| 03:01.14 | Guest3549 | if it does, i'll just have to reinstall it |
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| 03:01.24 | Guest3549 | which i might have to do anyways |
| 03:01.28 | moldovean | install on local machine debootstarp , run ' debootstarp lenny lenny' , tar lenny/ directory , mv it to remote, untar it there , and use it as new 'basic' system |
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| 03:02.40 | TiCPU | grub/grub2 want to use md/0 as root instead of md0 or sda/sdb, any idea why? I'm using Squeeze, RAID1 with metadata 1.0 and latest version of everything |
| 03:04.13 | Guest3549 | moldovean, i'll try that |
| 03:07.17 | danols | man how do you clear all apt packages list ? I tried clean autoclean and rm the /var/apt/cache directory they still load up ... |
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| 03:09.57 | moldovean | danols, seems you messed you your install .. |
| 03:11.02 | danols | nahh |
| 03:11.11 | danols | just updated aptitude with stable and testing |
| 03:11.19 | danols | was not aware backports.org is the sollution |
| 03:11.21 | danols | but found it |
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| 03:11.36 | danols | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:11.55 | danols | is the folder it stores the list - let's see if aptitude still work :) |
| 03:12.07 | moldovean | danols, backup your data , and reinstall lenny |
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| 03:13.24 | danols | moldovean: no data on server yet - just setting it up - why do you recommend that ? |
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| 03:14.21 | moldovean | your aptitude will not work .. |
| 03:14.38 | danols | it works |
| 03:14.41 | danols | just tested it |
| 03:14.51 | danols | well had to create the dir strucutre |
| 03:14.56 | danols | not showing testing packages |
| 03:15.04 | danols | and just said I had like 20K+ new packages |
| 03:15.41 | danols | well if things are acting funny I'll just re-install but I'll continue with trying the backports |
| 03:17.08 | danols | silly question but how can I check if i'm running lenny ? |
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| 03:17.47 | jpinx-eeepc | danols: cat /etc/debian_release |
| 03:17.49 | Flaim | danols: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 03:17.55 | jpinx-eeepc | version |
| 03:18.52 | danols | thanks |
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| 03:19.04 | moldovean | danols, it says what ? |
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| 03:22.52 | danols | 5.0.5 |
| 03:23.02 | danols | crap even on backports django is still on version 1.1.1 |
| 03:23.43 | danols | I think I will have to mix with testing but just use pining to favor stable backports testing |
| 03:24.03 | moldovean | !sns |
| 03:24.03 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 03:24.12 | jpinx-eeepc | danols: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 03:24.28 | danols | moldovean: excuse me |
| 03:24.38 | danols | I acctually use django 1.2 features on most of my projects right now |
| 03:24.40 | danols | so I need it |
| 03:24.53 | danols | but thanks for the new sns alias I just learned |
| 03:25.05 | jpinx-eeepc | danols: learn the sns factoid |
| 03:25.28 | moldovean | , versions django |
| 03:25.30 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'django' was found. |
| 03:25.45 | danols | danols: /msg dpkg sns you mean ? |
| 03:26.02 | moldovean | hm django not in debian ? |
| 03:26.04 | jpinx-eeepc | danols: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 03:26.05 | danols | moldovean: ^python-django$ - use that as search |
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| 03:26.25 | danols | jpinx-eeepc: hmmm dpkg is quiet |
| 03:26.37 | jpinx-eeepc | !ssb |
| 03:26.37 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <backports.org>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list 2) enable backports.org (see <bpo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 03:27.33 | moldovean | danols, i missed something ? its a server or developer machine ? |
| 03:27.40 | danols | server |
| 03:27.49 | danols | but for low traffic sites/projects |
| 03:28.18 | danols | jpinx-eeepc: so I could compile django from source using apt - against my stable setup ? |
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| 03:28.53 | moldovean | danols, so use lenny for server , and install testing for projects , in double boot |
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| 03:29.22 | moldovean | or in virtualbox ... |
| 03:29.32 | danols | moldovean: I can't there are some 1.2 specific functions I use 1.0 and 1.1 doesn't have these. So it also has to be run on server machine |
| 03:29.36 | jpinx-eeepc | danols: or install a vm with sid? |
| 03:30.01 | danols | moldovean: or am I misunderstanding |
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| 03:30.27 | jpinx-eeepc | danols: it doesn't *have* to be run on a server - any dependencies will be taken care of at install time |
| 03:30.55 | moldovean | danols, i dunno yours exact needs |
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| 03:31.25 | danols | I develop on my local machine for django 1.2 the server needs to have django 1.2 installed 1.1 or 1.0 will fail |
| 03:32.48 | danols | !ssb |
| 03:32.48 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <backports.org>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list 2) enable backports.org (see <bpo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 03:33.26 | danols | what does the above mean ? I should re-compile the package 1.2 version |
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| 03:33.53 | danols | !bpo |
| 03:33.53 | dpkg | backports.org is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://deb.li/bpoi . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added: "aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update". <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents> <bpo list> <backports-users> <bpo kernel> |
| 03:34.08 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell danols about selftell |
| 03:34.33 | danols | sorry my bad |
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| 03:37.08 | danols | jpinx-eeepc: I really apologize if this is very obvious but what does the info by ! ssb mean ? |
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| 03:40.09 | pjs | can I install libapache2-mod-wsgi without the python 3.1 dependencies? I don't want Python 3K on the box and I already have 2.6 installed. |
| 03:40.18 | pjs | (via apt-get that is) |
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| 03:45.42 | moldovean | danols, it ask the bot called 'dpkg' about the factoid called 'ssb' |
| 03:46.02 | jpinx-eeepc | danols: if you can't understand that factoid I suggest that you don't do it ;) |
| 03:46.09 | moldovean | dpkg, who are you ? |
| 03:46.09 | dpkg | I'm a chimp! |
| 03:46.22 | moldovean | dpkg, good boy |
| 03:46.22 | dpkg | :), moldovean |
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| 03:47.57 | moldovean | jpinx-eeepc, take a lock at > apt-cache search python-django .. |
| 03:48.22 | danols | jpinx-eeepc: no i don't :( |
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| 03:48.31 | danols | sorry guys I'm going to enable testing for that one package |
| 03:49.35 | moldovean | danols, your server will be used for what exactly ? |
| 03:50.00 | danols | hosting low traffic sites |
| 03:50.30 | danols | does the derevative in preferences Explanation: show anywhere in the aptitude front end? |
| 03:50.34 | jpinx-eeepc | moldovean: webmin type thingie? |
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| 03:51.12 | danols | Right now I can see the different version of a package provided by stable backports and testing but would like to figure out which one is which |
| 03:51.27 | pjs | how can I get a list of all installed packages with apt-* ? |
| 03:51.30 | danols | with stable having highest pin priority of course |
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| 03:52.26 | danols | pjs: aptitude shows all your installed packages - maybe that will work for you? |
| 03:52.55 | pjs | danols, thank you |
| 03:53.26 | pjs | danols, any idea on getting libapache2-mod-wsgi installed without the python 3.1 dependencies? I dont plan on upgrading to python3 for some time :) |
| 03:54.32 | pjs | looks like dpkg -l is what I was looking for |
| 03:54.46 | moldovean | pjs, on lenny ? |
| 03:55.23 | danols | sorry pjs I'm not at that step yet |
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| 03:56.33 | pjs | danols, Using squeeze actually.. no problem. thanks anyway |
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| 03:56.55 | Rusty1 | for lack of a better suggestion, perhaps aptitude install -s <package>, and rejecting the default , will provide an acceptable alternative |
| 03:57.18 | danols | hmm anyone knows how to tell in aptitude if packages is stable , testing, or backports ? |
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| 03:58.07 | moldovean | pjs, squeeze on server ? too bad |
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| 04:01.09 | moldovean | danols, use > , versions packname , or see packages.debian.org , or 'apt-cache policy packagename ' |
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| 04:01.40 | msx | hi guys, i just installed Debian Squeeze/Sid + KDE 4.4.5 + ATI flgrx from repos. Everything works great except for a minor detail: can't make mouse work - a generic, USB mouse that was working before upgrading to sid and installing ATI driver |
| 04:02.14 | moldovean | !sid |
| 04:02.14 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 04:02.22 | msx | any idea? The mouse pointer is sitting in the center of the screen, make fun of how I make my way with the keyboard, grrrr |
| 04:03.10 | danols | moldovean: |
| 04:03.16 | msx | sid is the only way to get some newer software |
| 04:03.18 | danols | moldovean: thanks :) |
| 04:03.45 | moldovean | !sns, msx |
| 04:03.47 | danols | also I am right to assume that if stable has a highest pin that is what will be auto installed unless I select a diff version in aptitude - correct? |
| 04:03.52 | moldovean | !sns |
| 04:03.52 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 04:04.03 | moldovean | msx, ^^ |
| 04:04.25 | danols | lol wow I guess there are a dozen an hour like me with SNS |
| 04:04.39 | moldovean | !pinning |
| 04:04.39 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
| 04:04.45 | pjs | moldovean, why is that bad? |
| 04:04.46 | moldovean | danols, ^^ |
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| 04:04.49 | msx | well, at least at gentoo and arch shiny new 'things' works as wanted without breaking your system |
| 04:04.54 | msx | I think Debian sucks |
| 04:05.00 | msx | too old for 2010 |
| 04:05.01 | msx | :) |
| 04:05.08 | moldovean | pjs, no security update .. |
| 04:05.15 | kmonk | sid is meant for developers, rewarding curiosity with failure and masochists ... sorry msx :( - try squeeze instead if you want upto date software that is actually usable. |
| 04:05.27 | pjs | moldovean, well getting Python 2.6 working on lenny was such a huge pain |
| 04:05.55 | msx | kmonk: hi there, at squeeze latest kernel is .32 and I *need* .34 at least because some newer bugfixes |
| 04:06.20 | msx | I was hoping sid had newer kernel, but only have newer breakage, lol |
| 04:06.26 | danols | msx in my humble opinion using linux for desktop is counter productive --- but that could be cause last time I tried was in 2000 ... :| |
| 04:06.44 | danols | and that was using gentoo |
| 04:07.17 | danols | pjs it's bad because it can create serious instability to mix testing/unstable with stable |
| 04:07.20 | kmonk | the kernel is portable, so you can use the latest kernel with any recent linux distrobution. |
| 04:07.23 | danols | at least that's what I was told :) |
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| 04:07.35 | moldovean | msx, you may install .35 on squeeze , no needs sid |
| 04:07.38 | msx | danols: well, you said well, that's gentoo :D but making not fun about it, gentoo have improved a lot nowadays. Said that, I really find gentoo for hobbyst |
| 04:08.03 | danols | msx: ohh I know I loved the complie from source and tweak the flags |
| 04:08.04 | msx | moldovean: phuck! only new that an hour before... |
| 04:08.25 | msx | moldovean: well, any way to downgrade? |
| 04:08.26 | danols | but after I think 8 months I gave up and I couldn't get any school work done :) - i'm sure it's all much better now |
| 04:09.03 | msx | I mean get back to Squeeze |
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| 04:09.14 | moldovean | msx, remove sid from sources and try , but not sure |
| 04:09.26 | msx | or better, get my mouse pointer work >: |
| 04:09.35 | msx | k |
| 04:09.36 | thepro4ever | my iceweasel keeps crashing and i have no idea what to do, i click on a link bam crash, i reload it go click on the same link it works, its sporadic |
| 04:09.47 | moldovean | msx, instal gpm , may help |
| 04:09.47 | msx | anyways |
| 04:09.59 | danols | anywho there are some wise people here - moldovean I been googling and reading aptitude help - but it seems the apt-cache policy package name is the only way I can easily check if pckg is stable testing or backporter ... unless you know of a way in aptitude? |
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| 04:11.25 | msx | moldovean: already did that and didn't work |
| 04:11.35 | msx | as I said, anyways |
| 04:11.54 | msx | I will not speak here all what I think of Debian (Sid) |
| 04:11.54 | Dewi | danols: yeah that's probably the easiest way. There are some search operators in 'aptitude search' command-line too |
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| 04:12.10 | msx | just wanna give it try, so much people talk about Debian |
| 04:12.24 | msx | back to home now |
| 04:12.30 | Dewi | danols: normally you wouldn't mix distros too much |
| 04:12.32 | msx | to a *real* distro |
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| 04:12.42 | msx | ARCH, you bunch of losers!!! |
| 04:12.46 | msx | HAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 04:13.12 | Dewi | drugs |
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| 04:13.31 | debiantonio | its shit |
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| 04:14.56 | debulante | hey were can i find the location of the tftpd-hpa source code on my machine? debian lenny 2.6.32 |
| 04:15.43 | danols | OMG |
| 04:16.03 | danols | msx = just another 'look at me I use linux' so i'm so cool |
| 04:16.28 | dondelelcaro | debulante: apt-get source tftpd-hpa; will download it into the current directory. |
| 04:16.40 | kmonk | msx = should lay off the caffeine and learn the importance of rtfm |
| 04:16.43 | danols | Dewi thanks - interestingly when I examine 'suggested' aptions it says in brackets testing stable etc next to pkg name ... hm |
| 04:16.56 | dondelelcaro | folks; whatever msx is doing is not on topic here. |
| 04:17.12 | pjs | danols, well I'm only using Debian in this case until rackspace cloud finally gets freebsd images. this should be fine for what I need |
| 04:17.33 | debulante | dondelelcaro, i need to modify the the source itself, if i were to download this source and modify it, will it effect my tftpd i already have? |
| 04:17.39 | dondelelcaro | debulante: no |
| 04:18.17 | dondelelcaro | debulante: not unless you build a debian package from the modified source and install it (or otherwise cause a version ot be installed) |
| 04:19.03 | debulante | dondelelcaro, well i need to comment out one line so that my tftpd actually sends the my pxe file to my clients, it exits when it is not supposed to. can i fix this without having the source on hand? |
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| 04:20.16 | msx | sorry about that |
| 04:20.20 | msx | Debian rulez :D |
| 04:20.26 | msx | =D |
| 04:21.00 | dondelelcaro | debulante: that kind of sounds either like a bug or a misconfiguration |
| 04:21.13 | dondelelcaro | debulante: what is the error that it is exiting with? |
| 04:21.39 | danols | pjs: I never used freebsd but respect it |
| 04:22.26 | debulante | dondelelcaro, it is exiting with the inabitity to locate user "nobody," when i chrooted into nobody, and it most definately exists, and tftpd is pointed to it, too. |
| 04:22.36 | msx | actually, i made mouse work, though. I didn't knew Sid was so experimental |
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| 04:22.51 | pjs | danols, oh I wasn't trying to say fbsd is better or any holy war comment like that.. just saying it's my preference for a server and I'm gonna switch when available :) |
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| 04:23.06 | pjs | I actually really enjoy Debian |
| 04:23.12 | pjs | (most of the time :p) |
| 04:23.17 | pjs | anyways, goodnight gents |
| 04:23.32 | dondelelcaro | debulante: does /etc/passwd have an entry for the nobody user inside of the chroot? does id nobody; work there? |
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| 04:25.00 | debulante | dondelelcaro, yes, here is the code line for it: nobody:x:65534:65534:nobody:/nonexistent:/bin/sh |
| 04:25.19 | dondelelcaro | debulante: and that's inside the chroot, right? |
| 04:25.32 | debulante | no |
| 04:25.39 | danols | gn |
| 04:25.43 | danols | pjs goodnight |
| 04:25.58 | dondelelcaro | debulante: well, that's where it needs to be, assuming you're running tftpd from inside a chroot |
| 04:26.31 | debulante | dondelelcaro, it does not run inside chroot. it runs outside chroot, inside init |
| 04:26.42 | danols | this might be a silly question but where would I put the aptitude configuration file ? |
| 04:26.49 | danols | google is falling me and so is man |
| 04:27.20 | Dewi | danols: see FILES section at the bottom of 'man aptitude' |
| 04:27.39 | danols | ohh cool |
| 04:27.40 | danols | thanks |
| 04:27.56 | danols | i forgot about that |
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| 04:33.44 | dondelelcaro | debulante: so then what's the problem? if id nobody; works, then the nobody user exists, and everything should be fine |
| 04:34.50 | debulante | dondelelcaro, that is what i mean. there is a bug. it has already been submitted to bug reports several times. but its is not fine. it is still saying that it does not exist |
| 04:35.50 | debulante | dondelelcaro: "cannot set groups for user nobody" when it is in the group file. its a bug |
| 04:36.03 | dondelelcaro | debulante: which bug number? if you tell me the complete output, I can tell you what to do about it |
| 04:36.37 | nsadmin | why are you trying to set groups for nobody? |
| 04:37.07 | debulante | bug # 245017 |
| 04:37.34 | nsadmin | bugs.debian.org/245017 |
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| 04:38.14 | debulante | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=245017 |
| 04:38.15 | dondelelcaro | debulante: this was fixed in testing and unstable; what you want to do is make a backport from the version in testing, and use that |
| 04:38.37 | Dewi | !tell debulante about ssb |
| 04:38.57 | Dewi | /c/c |
| 04:39.00 | Dewi | oops |
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| 04:39.53 | danols | I figured it out how to show PIN Priority in aptitude! |
| 04:39.54 | danols | http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s04s01.html#secDisplayFormat |
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| 04:40.20 | danols | and added this to /etc/apt/apt.conf.d |
| 04:40.34 | danols | Aptitude::UI::Package-Display-Format "%c%a%M %p %Z %v %V %i"; |
| 04:40.38 | danols | so smart :) |
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| 05:14.28 | JasonWoof | I just got back from a 4.5 week trip to find the vertical axis of my scroll wheel no longer has any effect (even xev reports nothing) |
| 05:14.36 | JasonWoof | any chance this is related to a debian update or something? |
| 05:15.17 | JasonWoof | I can still do horizontal scrolling eg in chromium and (middle) click with the scroll wheel |
| 05:15.56 | JasonWoof | I just did a full update-everything with aptitude and rebooted, and that didn't change anything |
| 05:16.39 | JasonWoof | could be a device issue, the power went out at least once while I was gone, and somehow my wireless router was reset to factory settings |
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| 05:19.02 | nsadmin | JasonWoof:did you update between the last time it worked and the time you found the problem? |
| 05:19.08 | JasonWoof | oh, and the freakiest thing, is I'll occasionally get a gnome-terminal scrolling slightly when I'm not touching the mouse. The terminal with the mouse pointer over it, not necessarily the one with keyboard focus. |
| 05:20.05 | nsadmin | JasonWoof:did you update between the last time it worked and the time you found the problem? |
| 05:20.49 | JasonWoof | nsadmin: really don't think so |
| 05:20.52 | JasonWoof | it's been a while though |
| 05:21.06 | JasonWoof | I just checked, and I didn't have the "install security updates automatically" thing on |
| 05:21.09 | nsadmin | been a while since what? |
| 05:21.09 | JasonWoof | though I did |
| 05:21.27 | JasonWoof | since I was home to use the mouse |
| 05:21.47 | JasonWoof | almost a month, my memory's not that great |
| 05:22.10 | JasonWoof | well, if it's not ringing any bells, then it's probably a hardware problem |
| 05:22.26 | JasonWoof | that or wireless interference |
| 05:22.43 | nsadmin | this inquiry isn't going anywhere... so the bottom line is, if you did not update between the last time it worked and the time you found the problem, then the problem cannot have anything to do with updating |
| 05:22.56 | JasonWoof | on my last computer there was a conflict between my wifi adapter and the mouse receiver |
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| 05:23.39 | JasonWoof | there is some possibility it's because of software getting confused by the power outage |
| 05:23.48 | JasonWoof | much less common these days, but I imagine it still happens |
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| 05:25.08 | JasonWoof | guess I am rambling. thanks for listening, I'll be on my way |
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| 05:27.20 | nsadmin | if the problem has nothing to do with updating, it could have been vibration during you moving the computer |
| 05:27.28 | nsadmin | causing some sort of damage |
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| 05:31.59 | debulante | got the tftpd-hpa backport... still no go. still "cannot set groups for user nobody" |
| 05:33.05 | nsadmin | does user nobody exist? |
| 05:33.11 | debulante | yes |
| 05:33.44 | Dewi | debulante: why would 'nobody' be in groups? |
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| 05:34.00 | Dewi | debulante: would it be easier just to use a real user with no shell or something? |
| 05:34.18 | Dewi | (like say, apache does) |
| 05:34.25 | debulante | because "nobody" is the name of the user my nodes use for my hpc |
| 05:34.52 | Dewi | 'nobody' is a special username in unix |
| 05:35.12 | dondelelcaro | not really |
| 05:35.21 | debulante | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:35.28 | Dewi | well maybe not particularly 'special', but it's a strong convention that it's not a real user |
| 05:35.34 | dondelelcaro | right |
| 05:36.22 | debulante | i have never gotten tftp to work... ever. |
| 05:37.03 | debulante | i thought dondelelcaro's idea of the backports was good, but still. absolute no go |
| 05:37.21 | dondelelcaro | has tftp running on quite a few things |
| 05:37.41 | debulante | what am i doing wrong? |
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| 05:37.57 | nsadmin | debulante, look at the code and the commentary in the bug report, and then check the source to see what exactly was done |
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| 05:39.17 | debulante | may be a stupid question. but where do i find the source i just installed? |
| 05:39.17 | dondelelcaro | debulante: in the current directory |
| 05:39.41 | nsadmin | also, up to this point I only noticed you talking about the bug and how groups couldn't be set for nobody... |
| 05:39.52 | nsadmin | what is your actual purpose here? |
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| 05:40.41 | gnarface | good way to check for leaked memory? |
| 05:40.44 | nsadmin | fixing this group thing would allow you to do what? |
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| 05:40.55 | debulante | the idea is an hpc capable of simple 3d editing for movies, etc, also to be used as a simple server-client for a multimedia system. |
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| 05:41.19 | debulante | as well as local nfs |
| 05:41.55 | nsadmin | why do the nodes want to use "nobody"? |
| 05:42.53 | debulante | do they not need to log in as something? |
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| 05:43.21 | nsadmin | why as "nobody"? |
| 05:43.39 | yardleydobon | Any Octave gurus around? I'm wondering why I can't step through a script in debug mode? |
| 05:44.57 | debulante | nsadmin: that is simply what the how to said to use. before this, i had no idea about complex networking, clusters, or any pxe. |
| 05:46.03 | debulante | yardleydobon: more specific? |
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| 05:47.32 | nsadmin | debulante, I'd say test using a different user |
| 05:47.43 | yardleydobon | Well you can step through functions, but it appears that stepping through scripts is not possible. I tried keyboard(), the once it's in debug mode dbstep 1, but it ran the whole script. |
| 05:47.49 | nsadmin | on one node |
| 05:48.41 | yardleydobon | It seems silly to me not to be able to step through scripts though. So I figure I'm doing something wrong. |
| 05:48.48 | nsadmin | once you get to two nodes, realize there is a possibility that the user ID number for the user you choose may have to be the same across all nodes |
| 05:49.05 | debulante | nsadmin: it is pxe. i cannot type any command on any node without a pxeboot file from the headnode, the only way to get that is to go thru tftp |
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| 05:51.32 | debulante | nsadmin: unless your saying i change my tftp and dhcpd scripts to allow a different user, in which case i would need to create an entire new user for it. so why not just comment out the "exit" after the user error on the tftp source? |
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| 05:53.06 | debulante | yardleydobon, i do not know a whole too lot about scripting, you are better off googling or waiting here for an answer. |
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| 06:34.40 | debulante | oookay. back again |
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| 06:36.05 | debulante | got my nodes to boot yaaaaaay but now after loading pxelinux.cfg/default it says "No DEFAULT or UI configuration directive found!" then "boot:_" |
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| 06:39.39 | sep | debulante, well you need one or the other in your default file |
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| 06:42.47 | debulante | sep, this is the default file: "LABEL linux" "KERNEL vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-686" "APPEND root=/dev/nfs initrd=initrd.img.netboot nfsroot=192.168.1.2:/mnt/hda5/yuki ip=dhcp rw" |
| 06:45.29 | sep | debulante, no default entry add one |
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| 06:45.55 | Angstrom_ | What's a good macro program for Linux that does sleep intervals of like 1408 milliseconds |
| 06:46.02 | Angstrom_ | xmacrorec sucks |
| 06:47.21 | debulante | sep, what exactly do i add? |
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| 06:49.18 | gnarface | Angstrom_: i dunno how about perl? |
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| 06:52.06 | sep | debulante, something like default linux |
| 06:52.16 | sep | default [what lebel is the default one] |
| 06:52.55 | debulante | so add a new line in the default file or a new file?? |
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| 06:58.58 | sep | a line in the default file that saies default LABEL |
| 06:59.03 | sep | in your case default linux |
| 06:59.53 | debulante | mmmk its booting.... lets see if this works |
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| 07:04.20 | debulante | ooook now its doing nfs mount, but "Running /scripts/nfs-premount ...done" "mount call failed - server replied: Permission denied." |
| 07:06.41 | debulante | and now the nodes say "/bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off" then gives command line for initramfs |
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| 07:10.52 | debulante | sep: any ideas? |
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| 07:11.21 | Angstrom_ | xmacrorec sucks |
| 07:11.23 | Angstrom_ | What's a good macro program for Linux that does sleep intervals of like 1408 milliseconds |
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| 07:12.11 | nsadmin | Angstrom_: sounds like a custom programming job to me |
| 07:12.30 | debulante | yay nsadmin! |
| 07:12.48 | nsadmin | oh... thanks... for what? |
| 07:12.55 | debulante | well |
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| 07:13.01 | debulante | i got the cluster booted |
| 07:13.20 | nsadmin | sounds like yay debulante to me |
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| 07:13.25 | debulante | but now the nodes say "/bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off" then gives command line for initramfs |
| 07:13.29 | debulante | so no |
| 07:13.35 | debulante | no yay debulante |
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| 07:13.45 | Angstrom_ | No, sounds like a task for Windows' Perfect Keyboard PRO. Funny all the things Windows can do that Linux can't |
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| 07:13.51 | nsadmin | but you did progres, right? |
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| 07:14.08 | debulante | nsadmin: very much so |
| 07:14.21 | demute | how do I list all packages that are set to manually installed on my system? |
| 07:14.38 | Angstrom_ | Dpes amypme jere play graal for linux? |
| 07:15.03 | Angstrom_ | is there anything like Cheat Engine for Linux? |
| 07:15.08 | nsadmin | wn47? |
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| 07:15.15 | Angstrom_ | or GameHack |
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| 07:15.55 | debulante | nsadmin: sounds here like our classic lets try out linux shpeal... |
| 07:17.02 | nsadmin | let him get used to the true power of linux by learning the shell and the common text-based commands |
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| 07:17.21 | debulante | mmmm |
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| 07:17.48 | debulante | Angstrom_, you running Gnome or KDE currently? |
| 07:18.02 | beardy | Let him feel the plonkpipe. |
| 07:18.21 | debulante | there are ways to set key combinations in both, if that is what you are attempting to do |
| 07:18.36 | acathur | demute: aptitude -F "%p" search \!~M~i~T (doesn't include the versions though) |
| 07:19.19 | beardy | debulante: He's attempting to cheat/bot at games. |
| 07:19.42 | debulante | beardy: oooooh cant help you there |
| 07:19.56 | demute | acathur: thanks :-) |
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| 07:20.23 | sep | debulante, nfs mount denied ? give it permission ? |
| 07:20.32 | sep | iow check your exports file |
| 07:21.40 | debulante | sep: my exports file is set to "/mnt/hda5/yuki yuki.xephon(rw,async,no_root_squash)" |
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| 07:29.45 | debulante | Angstrom_ if what you are trying to do is game with linux, install wine from winehq.org, then look online on appdb.winehq.org for applications you would like to run. i would recommend downloading the most recent source package, the repo's normally don't have the most recent version. I run wow, call o duty, battlefield, and many others from wine. |
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| 07:31.35 | sep | debhelper, the name yuki.xephon is resolveable both forward and back ? |
| 07:32.54 | debulante | sep, you mean debulante? |
| 07:34.04 | sep | yes |
| 07:34.54 | debulante | i believe so |
| 07:36.17 | sep | test by replacing the name with the ip |
| 07:37.09 | debulante | i have 3 ip's set in dhcp.conf for the server. 3 just in case one gets flooded and goes to fallback |
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| 07:41.41 | sep | debulante, dhcp ? was we not takling about nfs ? also a forward and revers name resolution is a DNS thing not a dhcp |
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| 07:43.28 | sep | if you want to use names in exports file. you must have a proper working and correct dns setup. if you do not have that. use ip addresses in the file. |
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| 07:44.51 | debulante | sep: would the ip address be the "dhcp ip" that the client gives upon connect? |
| 07:45.05 | debulante | i do not know the ip i would need to use |
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| 07:45.40 | sep | if you do not know the ip... then the likelyhood for you having configured the dns correctly is very very slim |
| 07:45.57 | sep | the ip that the dhcp gives the client on boot yes |
| 07:46.32 | sep | since you use it to determine accesss you should not use a dynamic ip. but make a reservation. so that this client get the same address _all_ the time. |
| 07:46.38 | sep | that way you will also know what address it is |
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| 07:47.07 | sep | then you can choose to use the ip in the exports directly. or you can configure dns with this ip address and give it a name and use that name in the exports file |
| 07:48.09 | sep | usualy i configure the dns correctly and then i give mac reservations in dhcp and can use the name instead of the ip there as well. that way i only need to change dns if i want a machine to change ip not both dns and dhcp |
| 07:48.57 | sep | but that's on a /21 so for one machine just give it a static ip in the dhcp config and use that in exports :) |
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| 07:52.53 | debulante | i set up dhcp range for this system, i did not specify any hardware mac other than the diskless client. |
| 07:53.52 | sep | i know. fix it |
| 07:53.53 | debulante | but. i used the ip as you said and it is still not mounting |
| 07:54.09 | sep | you did specify a hardware mac for the diskless ? |
| 07:54.40 | sep | so then you know the ip of the diskless ? |
| 07:55.02 | sep | and you see when the diskless is booting that it get's the address in question |
| 07:55.17 | debulante | for the nodes, i set a default file and range for. for the client, i have hardware mac and ip specified. |
| 07:55.26 | sep | and you see when the diskless is booting that it get's the address in question |
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| 07:58.45 | debulante | what would be the next step in the pxe boot after nfs? |
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| 08:02.26 | sep | if it mounts it's rootfs over nfs it's normal init from there. |
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| 08:04.08 | debulante | ok, so why is it still failing to mount? |
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| 08:09.29 | sep | you want me to guess ? or are you going to give error messages ? and paste configs ? |
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| 08:10.28 | debulante | "Running /scripts/init-bottom ... mount: mounting /dev on /root/dev failed: no such file or directory" "done." "mount: mounting /sys on /root/sys failed: no such file or directory" "mount: mounting /proc on /root/proc failed: no such file or directory" tagret filesystem doesn't have /sbin/init" "no init found. try passing init= bootarg" "BusyBox v1.15.3 (Debian 1:1.15.3-1) built-in shell... |
| 08:10.28 | jpinx-eeepc | debulante: do we get a prize if we guess the error? |
| 08:10.29 | debulante | ...(ash)" "/bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off" "(initramfs) _" |
| 08:10.59 | debulante | just gave you the error, but you can have a hug! |
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| 08:12.57 | debulante | im actually prob one of the few girls on here so it would be ok^_^ |
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| 08:13.40 | courpse | ohhh. |
| 08:13.45 | courpse | I wanna hug too then, :D |
| 08:13.46 | jpinx-eeepc | backs away |
| 08:13.52 | debulante | yay!! |
| 08:14.00 | courpse | Its likely a man dressed as a girl, :/ |
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| 08:14.16 | kmonk | can i have a hug? i just deleted all my music, games and movies by accident (hard-linked folders in a rm -r 'd folder, about to boot systemrescuecd to attempt a salvage :s) |
| 08:14.45 | debulante | well how do i do one of those action commands? never got that... |
| 08:15.05 | debulante | kmonk yes you may have a hug |
| 08:15.19 | kmonk | ^_^ thanks |
| 08:15.48 | debulante | kmonk you need to slap courpse he thinks ima dude :'( |
| 08:16.15 | courpse | debulante: Action in IRC? /me text. |
| 08:16.44 | courpse | kmonk: :( Even i will give you a hug for that, that sucks... |
| 08:17.11 | kmonk | debulante: your error messages are all over the place, just what are you trying to achieve? (downloading sysrescuecd got time) |
| 08:18.05 | debulante | hugs courpse, jpinx-eeepc, kmonk, and sep veeeerrry tightly ^_^ |
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| 08:18.12 | courpse | 0.o |
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| 08:19.24 | jpinx-eeepc | debulante: are you actually logged into that box atm? |
| 08:19.25 | jpinx-eeepc | or can you chroot into it? |
| 08:19.56 | debulante | ok, whoa everyone all at once |
| 08:19.59 | debulante | wow |
| 08:20.17 | yardleydobon | writes onto all this new space on kmonk's harddrive |
| 08:20.28 | debulante | i am logged in, yes |
| 08:21.13 | debulante | and kmonk i am constructing a pxe-boot high performance cluster for 3d editing as well as a local media server. |
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| 08:21.33 | debulante | but i cannot get my nfs to give permissions to the nodes |
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| 08:22.06 | debulante | btw i like how i say "i'm a girl" and tonsa ppl start helping me. thats sweet ^^ |
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| 08:23.03 | sep | debulante, can you put more of the output on a paster ? especialy the line just above the one you wrote |
| 08:23.03 | debulante | slaps yardleydobon |
| 08:23.23 | sep | debulante, nice trick i must remember that :) |
| 08:23.39 | debulante | sep but im legitimately a girl!! |
| 08:23.44 | debulante | your not |
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| 08:23.49 | debulante | :P |
| 08:23.55 | sep | there are no girl's on the internet, everybody know that :) |
| 08:24.03 | debulante | your mean |
| 08:24.08 | kmonk | we're pretty indiscriminate here, everyday crusaders for the greater good, it's not -just- because of your gender :) sorry babe |
| 08:24.29 | debulante | ok then whyyyy did it happen?? |
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| 08:25.21 | debulante | sep i cannot copy paste from a node to my headnode, just does not work that way, have to type it all out. what are you looking at specifically? |
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| 08:25.34 | ernst | debulante: is nfs by itself working or is just booting from nfs not working? |
| 08:25.46 | sep | i think the error you type just was a reaction to a previous error |
| 08:25.56 | stayb | hey i get the error after starting virtualbox: Qt WARNING: VirtualBox: cannot connect to X server . i found that it could be permission problems . i added a user to vboxuser . i must simply login in shell with them and then tip virtualbox to start or? |
| 08:25.57 | sep | if there are lines with nfs in them they are interesting |
| 08:26.24 | sep | debulante, that's why i test netbooting with virtualbox. then you can just screengrab the error messages |
| 08:26.28 | debulante | ernst: only when booting my pxe nodes |
| 08:26.29 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell debulante about pastebinit |
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| 08:27.41 | ernst | debulante: can you post your boot cmdline, probly in your tftp root under pxelinux.cfg/default (or something) |
| 08:27.57 | ernst | and maybe the /etc/fstab you use where you are crating the initramdisk |
| 08:28.00 | sep | stayb, sounds like you try to run your virtualbox as a different user then the one you logged into X11 with |
| 08:28.52 | sep | use sux or sudo if you must change user |
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| 08:29.26 | debulante | ...im confused |
| 08:30.29 | ernst | debulante: youre using pxelinux right? |
| 08:30.38 | debulante | ernst: yes |
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| 08:31.14 | debulante | i know what you are saying, im just wondering why you would need the default file |
| 08:31.52 | ernst | debulante: because you would configure it so youre pxe clients would know where to mount their root from? |
| 08:31.56 | stayb | sep, i logged simply with my standard user over login |
| 08:32.12 | ernst | debulante: duno if you pass the root path via dhcp on linux |
| 08:33.00 | ernst | !pastebin |
| 08:33.00 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 08:33.08 | debulante | ernst i see what you are saying now, ok |
| 08:33.16 | sep | ernst, she pasted a lot of that earlier if you scroll up tho |
| 08:33.24 | ernst | ah |
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| 08:34.13 | talcite | hey guys. How long are debian releases supported (with security updates) for? |
| 08:34.21 | ernst | sry didnt scroll that far up |
| 08:34.42 | debulante | you still want me to pastebin? |
| 08:34.47 | ernst | no nvm |
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| 08:35.40 | sep | talcite, usualy 1 year after the previous release |
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| 08:36.08 | ernst | debulante: maybe your initramfs wasnt created properly, initramfs-tools just fail silently if theres some program/scripts missing that would be needed to boot |
| 08:36.08 | talcite | sep, I see. And major releases come up ever 3 or 4 years? |
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| 08:36.15 | stayb | sep, how do i logout and login in vbox if added a new vboxuser? |
| 08:36.18 | Arrowmaster | sep: you mean 1 year after next release? |
| 08:36.45 | kmonk | cant you just update from one release to the next though? |
| 08:36.54 | Arrowmaster | you can |
| 08:36.56 | Arrowmaster | and should |
| 08:37.15 | kmonk | well, i guess then just stay away from squeeze and sid if security is your major concern then. |
| 08:37.38 | Arrowmaster | or you can be like the people that always come in here around 1 year after a release moves to oldstable asking for help upgrading it because support is about to be dropped |
| 08:37.41 | debulante | scratches head |
| 08:38.21 | kmonk | debulante: could I see those pastebin links? |
| 08:38.25 | sep | Arrowmaster, yes lenny will have support 1 year after squeeze is released |
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| 08:39.05 | debulante | kmonk which files would you like to see again? i got my tftpboot default file here: http://paste.debian.net/85668/ |
| 08:39.06 | Arrowmaster | except in the odd circumstance that squeeze+1 goes stable within that period right |
| 08:39.53 | sep | debulante, nfsroot can't be right |
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| 08:40.15 | sep | you pasted earlier that it was nfsroot=192.168.1.2:/mnt/hda5/yuki |
| 08:40.34 | ernst | maybe the rest was truncated in nano |
| 08:40.41 | sep | ... |
| 08:41.06 | debulante | oh whoops |
| 08:41.14 | debulante | sorry reposting |
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| 08:41.15 | sep | debulante, try less or cat :) |
| 08:41.34 | kmonk | no port numbers huh. |
| 08:41.54 | kmonk | thinks aloud, often |
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| 08:42.15 | ernst | never used port numbers to boot from nfs |
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| 08:42.26 | debulante | http://paste.debian.net/85669/ |
| 08:42.54 | debulante | sings aloud, often |
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| 08:43.47 | sep | debulante, and do you see any error ralted to nfs in the diskless boot ? or does it seam to mount the root fs from there ? |
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| 08:44.58 | kmonk | ip=dhcp? it's not very timely and can cause problems with time critical applications of network code <just a thought> |
| 08:45.24 | debulante | sep, yes. retrying nfs mount ... Begin: Running /scripts/nfs-premount ... done. mount call failed -server replied : permission denied. |
| 08:45.29 | kmonk | dhcp/static |
| 08:46.01 | kmonk | oic' |
| 08:46.08 | debulante | kmonk i am running dhcp for now, soon i will have statics for each node. i have a static for a diskless workstation |
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| 08:46.31 | thegraham | Hi, I installed lenny a while back and use the automatic partitioning. Problem is, now when apt tries to upgarde to a new kernel there's not enough disk space to upgrade. How can I upgrade? |
| 08:46.35 | debulante | but thats in a different file named as the mac address in hex |
| 08:46.44 | sep | did you reexport after changing exports file ? |
| 08:46.48 | thegraham | http://paste.debian.net/85670 |
| 08:47.40 | sep | thegraham, do you have any free space on the disk after the partitions? |
| 08:47.42 | debulante | sep that could be a problem... |
| 08:47.48 | sep | debulante, try exportfs -r |
| 08:48.09 | debulante | sep i kno i kno just cuz im a girl doesnt mean idk |
| 08:49.19 | morn | thegraham: does a apt-get clean help? if the boot partition (if youve got one) is full, you may need to delete some old kernel. |
| 08:49.45 | thegraham | sep: it gave / hardly any space (327M, 26M available), I've got loads of space in other parts of the disk |
| 08:49.54 | debulante | sep http://paste.debian.net/85672/ |
| 08:51.07 | sep | and the client does have 192.168.2.1 as it's address? |
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| 08:51.42 | debulante | oooooh shoot. its .1.2 |
| 08:52.19 | ernst | lol ouch |
| 08:52.23 | debulante | slaps forehead |
| 08:52.24 | morn | thegraham: do you have old kernels on your disk? its unusual that the / partition gets full. |
| 08:52.42 | thegraham | morn: the partitions are at the end of this, but no, no boot parititon: http://paste.debian.net/85670/ |
| 08:53.45 | sep | thegraham, also check /root for files |
| 08:54.04 | ernst | thegraham: or du -x / to see how much is used where on / |
| 08:54.18 | ernst | then clean that up if feasible |
| 08:54.19 | alcohol | so, I have this firewall init.d script and some rulesets that I pretty much use on most of my servers. always the same layout (/etc/ipwall/rulesets and /etc/init.d/ipwall). how could I most easily package this so I can download it to fresh installs. with proper permissions and paths. basic tar.gz? or some simple .deb package? |
| 08:54.21 | thegraham | sep: you're right, that's where the files are |
| 08:54.26 | debulante | sep: starting nodes |
| 08:54.39 | thegraham | morn: there's only one kernel in /boot |
| 08:55.01 | sep | thegraham du -shx /* should tell you where it's gone |
| 08:55.08 | kmonk | thegraham: apt-get clean && apt-get autoremove to quickly get rid of some junk |
| 08:55.19 | thegraham | thanks sep |
| 08:55.21 | alcohol | would prefer if it would also run update-rc.d |
| 08:55.28 | sep | debulante, what are you going to use the diskless machines for ? :) |
| 08:55.35 | sep | debhelper, worked ? |
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| 08:55.44 | sep | darn debhelper you'r in the way ! :) |
| 08:55.51 | sep | of my tab compleation |
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| 08:56.12 | debulante | slaps debhelper |
| 08:57.08 | kmonk | thegraham: i use gdmap to find out where my diskspace has gone, for the visual approach... |
| 08:57.23 | debulante | sep im using them in a pxe cluster environment for 3d editing, and other high end media applications |
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| 08:57.50 | thegraham | thanks all, problem solved :-) |
| 08:57.50 | ernst | xdu and xdiskusage can read du's output too btw |
| 08:58.06 | debulante | sep for example, i compiled a ps3 emulator out of a ps3 os dump, i also have wii and other emulators as well. |
| 08:58.17 | lxsys | hi all, I think I've made a mistake when configuring tor as a transparent proxy as now I cant start tor, or resolve any DNS |
| 08:59.43 | debulante | sep "begin: running /scripts/nfs-premount ... done." "connect: Connection timed out" "read: No rule to host" |
| 09:00.14 | sep | rule ? or route ? |
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| 09:00.35 | sep | check network configuration and routeing table |
| 09:00.38 | debulante | yeah thats what i meant |
| 09:01.58 | sep | also check if you have any iptables in the way |
| 09:02.02 | debulante | sep btw thanks for all the help. you get another hug if you help get this fully up |
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| 09:03.32 | debulante | iptables rules are in sbin right? |
| 09:03.36 | kurkale6ka | Hi, I am getting this error when trying: lh build. E: Failed getting release file http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/Release. Strange thing is wget works on that url... |
| 09:03.40 | sep | well you better hurry:P im off in a few mins to troubleshoot a partiqularly troublesome strech of fiber optics |
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| 09:04.17 | debulante | sep sounds fun! i never got the chance to work with fiberoptics. |
| 09:04.17 | sep | kurkale6ka, you dont have proxy settings in your apt config or something like that ? |
| 09:04.46 | sep | well this one is no fun... 1510 nm works. 1610 nm works. 1310nm no link :s |
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| 09:05.01 | kurkale6ka | sep: I just used export http_proxy=... and wget works... |
| 09:05.27 | sep | check for any system wide proxies in /etc/enviorment and such |
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| 09:05.48 | kurkale6ka | lemme check |
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| 09:06.36 | kurkale6ka | not in environment. where else do I need to check sepo |
| 09:06.45 | sep | debulante, iptables --list on the server should show you any rules |
| 09:06.51 | debulante | sep sounds like you need a fiberoptic network amplifier of some sort, or mess with the firmware.... |
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| 09:06.59 | sep | on the diskless ip addr and ip route should show network settings |
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| 09:08.02 | sep | kurkale6ka, i never use such.. look in all the files under /etc/apt |
| 09:08.09 | debulante | sep http://paste.debian.net/85677/ |
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| 09:08.30 | sep | debulante, that mean no ip tables in the way |
| 09:08.42 | kurkale6ka | sep: there is an Acquire::http::Proxy in apt.conf... and the proxy is right |
| 09:08.46 | lxsys | fixed.. rogue iptables entry I forgot about. |
| 09:08.53 | debulante | sep tho i never messed with a fiber optic network so i would not know as well... still sounds fun. i like challenges if you cant tell already |
| 09:09.13 | debulante | sep i know, any thoughts? |
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| 09:11.11 | sep | debulante, i think a virtual diskless node, or a serial console would help you a lot when you want to cut and paste error messages :) since it seams that the nfsmount was done. do you have a working machine there now? os is it just the fallback shell still ? |
| 09:11.26 | sep | try mount and see what's mounted |
| 09:12.03 | debulante | nothing is mounted, no shell, all nodes are still trying to mount... |
| 09:12.30 | sep | can you from the fallback shell ping the nfs server ? and can you mount something manually ? |
| 09:12.32 | debulante | all they say is connection time out and read: no route to host |
| 09:13.08 | sep | ip addr and ip route shows correct settings ? |
| 09:13.19 | debulante | im not given any fallback shell either |
| 09:13.26 | debulante | and yes |
| 09:13.28 | sep | not yet probably |
| 09:13.40 | sep | on the client i mean |
| 09:13.49 | debulante | that is what i mean too |
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| 09:14.18 | sep | how did you do that without the fallback shell ? :) |
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| 09:14.49 | sep | and you have only given one node access to the nfs server right ? so the others will have permission denied? |
| 09:14.58 | debulante | wait... nfs over tcp not available from 192.168.2.1 |
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| 09:15.22 | debulante | all nodes have permission now, but failing to mount |
| 09:15.47 | debulante | so i guess my ip is incorrect... |
| 09:15.57 | sep | 192.168.2.1 is the ip for the server ? |
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| 09:16.20 | debulante | thats what i got from exports, so i thought it was... |
| 09:16.30 | sep | ip addr on the server |
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| 09:17.00 | debulante | i think it actually might be .1.2... |
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| 09:17.51 | sep | well then you need to fix your pxelinux.cfg/default since it say 2.1 |
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| 09:18.35 | debulante | do i need to reboot the nodes again now that i re exported? |
| 09:18.38 | sep | ip addr or ifconfig on server will tell you for sure |
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| 09:19.20 | sep | well you must make sure that the ip in your pxelinux.cfg/default is the correct one for the nfsserver |
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| 09:19.41 | sep | and then you must reboot the nodes yes. since they only read that file on the early boot |
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| 09:20.13 | sep | also paste your exports file again |
| 09:20.26 | debulante | would the ip be "inet addr" or "bcast?" |
| 09:21.09 | sep | inet addr |
| 09:21.33 | debulante | ok. its .1.2 for sure then |
| 09:21.45 | debulante | rebooting nodes. |
| 09:22.00 | sep | what did you put in exports ? |
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| 09:22.24 | debulante | you mean my exports file? |
| 09:22.28 | kmonk | just wandered back about to reboot, and try to salvage lost data... i have little understanding of clustering but i've heard after specifying a good configuration it's an idea to reboot everything server first just to make sure everything's in-place. good luck :D |
| 09:22.40 | sep | yes |
| 09:22.41 | debulante | i mean... god... my default file |
| 09:22.45 | sep | just paste it |
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| 09:23.06 | syslq | How can I force aptitude to install default configuration with apache2 package. aptitude -f install apache2 did not work |
| 09:23.12 | zxd | does cron keep a history of failed jobs, does it auto try them |
| 09:23.15 | zxd | I need to clean these |
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| 09:23.48 | debulante | http://paste.debian.net/85678/ |
| 09:24.02 | debulante | then i ran exportfs -r again, and rebooted nodes |
| 09:24.24 | sep | that's the default file i ment /etc/exports |
| 09:24.42 | debulante | thats what i asked you! |
| 09:26.06 | debulante | http://paste.debian.net/85679/ |
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| 09:26.55 | sep | does the client realy have 192.168.2.1 ? and how do you route between the clients on 192.168.2. to the server on 192.168.1? or do you have a larger then /24 network ? |
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| 09:27.47 | debulante | i posted the wrong thing... should say 1.2... sorry hun |
| 09:28.00 | sep | but 1.2 was the server ? |
| 09:28.05 | debulante | yes |
| 09:28.22 | sep | the exports file must list the ip addresses of the clients that are allowed to mount that file share |
| 09:28.35 | sep | if you have a whole network of nodes |
| 09:29.06 | sep | you can say something like /mnt/hda5/yuki 192.168.1.0/24(rw,async,no_root_squash) |
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| 09:29.24 | debulante | it has a dynamic range set for the nodes, can i set that range on exports as well? |
| 09:29.25 | sep | that means every machine that have ip 192.168.1.SOMETHING can access |
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| 09:29.36 | debulante | oooooh |
| 09:29.38 | debulante | ok |
| 09:31.28 | sep | not sure how sane it is to let multiple machines write to the same nfs at the same time tho. do you plan to create one share per machine. or do you plan to let them mount read only and write to ramdisk ? or ? let them all write at the same time and see how long it works ? :) |
| 09:31.29 | Angstrom_ | No, sounds like a task for Windows' Perfect Keyboard PRO. Funny all the things Windows can do that Linux can't |
| 09:33.06 | debulante | Angstrom_ what til you discover the true power of the open source network. then you can make judgments. |
| 09:33.25 | debulante | there are also countless things that linux can do that windows cant |
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| 09:34.12 | debulante | a simple keyboard program should not trump the billions of free software packages available to you through repositories, installable with a single command |
| 09:34.33 | debulante | ANYWAYS |
| 09:34.43 | debulante | http://paste.debian.net/85682/ |
| 09:34.51 | kurkale6ka | sep: there is an Acquire::http::Proxy in apt.conf... I commented that and it still doesn't work |
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| 09:35.46 | sep | debulante, he quit just after that line. while your text is enlightening he will unfortunatly never read it :) |
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| 09:36.04 | debulante | damn |
| 09:36.05 | sep | kurkale6ka, you must logout and back in for that file to be read again afaik |
| 09:36.21 | debulante | i cant see people going in and out from chatzilla |
| 09:36.34 | sep | xchat ftw :) |
| 09:36.42 | kurkale6ka | sep: but why does it need commenting. the specified proxy is right |
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| 09:37.25 | sep | kurkale6ka, does it work with it ? no... try without... |
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| 09:37.44 | kurkale6ka | sep: cheers, I am trying |
| 09:37.47 | sep | i have a very simple troubleshooting pilosophy |
| 09:38.33 | sep | kurkale6ka, just login on a different tty to try |
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| 09:39.05 | sep | debulante, did you try to boot a client ? |
| 09:39.05 | [gnubie] | waves |
| 09:39.24 | sep | and run exportfs ofcourse allways when you change exports file |
| 09:40.06 | debulante | sep yes. now it says mount: device or resource busy |
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| 09:40.54 | sep | debulante, i fear i need more context |
| 09:41.23 | kurkale6ka | sep: works! |
| 09:42.32 | [gnubie] | i'm trying to rebuild a source package but i'm getting this error => http://www.pastie.org/1114556 |
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| 09:43.14 | debulante | sep: Begin: Retrying nfs mount ... Begin: Running /scripts/nfs-premount ... done. mount: Device or resource busy. Done. /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off. (initramfs)_ |
| 09:44.07 | debulante | gives me a busybox init command line |
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| 09:45.39 | sep | debulante, anything in syslog on the server ? |
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| 09:47.56 | debulante | sep, in fact there is. check this out. http://paste.debian.net/85686/ |
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| 09:50.53 | sep | what is inside /mnt/hda5/yugi ? |
| 09:51.48 | debulante | sep, you know, im not really sure.... i just followed the how to and got this big mess. |
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| 09:52.37 | sep | what howto ? |
| 09:52.48 | kmonk | bbl |
| 09:52.58 | debulante | have the link somewhere around here hold on |
| 09:53.20 | pie_time | hi. I have a dell laptop that was designed for ubuntu. Should the multimedia buttons work in debian as they have in ubuntu? |
| 09:55.21 | sep | well that error does indicate that there may not bee the correct enviroemnt there |
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| 09:56.49 | debulante | pie_time: any multimedia keyboard i have plugged into my machine work fine on any distribution. multimedia keys included. if they dont automatically setup, you can set them in your user settings. |
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| 09:57.16 | shamelessn00b | Hi, has anyone over here ever used the tool 'tc' for traffic shaping on the network? |
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| 09:58.27 | hghgd | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:59.13 | AlexC_ | hghgd: Okular |
| 09:59.31 | hghgd | thank you, AlexC_ |
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| 10:00.54 | stockholm | where can i install local ruby stuff that would normally go into lib/tasks (for rake)? |
| 10:01.27 | debulante | sep ya i cant find the one i used |
| 10:02.05 | sep | debulante, well there should be a chroot instatllation inside there. |
| 10:02.41 | sep | debulante, anyways i am leaving to find the missing colors be back later. and good luck |
| 10:02.57 | debulante | awwwwwwwwwww!!! |
| 10:03.17 | debulante | lemme giv you a hug! |
| 10:03.36 | sep | debulante, altho you might want to look at ltsp, there are packages in debian, they are made for desktop machines, but you should be able to easily repurpose it into booting your cluster software |
| 10:04.19 | debulante | hugs sep |
| 10:04.21 | sep | also 927 others in here that probably will help :P |
| 10:04.26 | sep | cya |
| 10:04.33 | debulante | waves |
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| 10:26.59 | Revo | Have debian given up updating things? hardly ever get any updates via apt-get update/grade these days |
| 10:27.28 | Revo | Compared to a Ubuntu server installation where lots of stuff gets updated every day |
| 10:27.44 | Argafal | .oO( Debian is just SICK of all these bugs and wont fix them nomore? ) |
| 10:27.59 | Argafal | Revo: Do you use lenny? |
| 10:28.04 | Revo | yep |
| 10:28.10 | cahoot | Revo: apples vs oranges |
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| 10:33.52 | wrksx | hey |
| 10:34.43 | wrksx | I'm using gnome and when trying to open a php file with an extention .ctp, I got an error message saying the extention doesn't match the content type. |
| 10:35.17 | xxtjaxx | Revo: If you want updates(other than security fixes) use testing with pinned unstable. If you want to let the machine do its job and get to real work use stable. Ubuntu server is... |
| 10:35.19 | wrksx | How could I fix this ? i need to be able to quickly open these files and I can't use another extension |
| 10:36.34 | cahoot | right-click open with - I think you'll the option to set the default action |
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| 10:37.03 | wrksx | this doesn't work |
| 10:38.10 | cahoot | right-click open with other ... - seems to offer the option here |
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| 10:39.01 | dels | hi |
| 10:41.08 | dels | what could be the reason for a debian squeeze not finding various files e.g. mdadm-raid while booting? it just fails to come up and if i reboot with ctrl-alt-delete it fails again to reboot. i can go into a shell but files like aptitude and /etc/apt/sources.list do not exist. any hints how to fix this without reinstalling the system? |
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| 10:49.00 | infinity0 | is there any software that lets you mirror a filesystem in real time? |
| 10:49.20 | kmonk | yay i recovered my rm'd files from ext4 using extundelete... nice |
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| 10:52.20 | tishammer | hi |
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| 10:52.25 | tishammer | i have a server. I'd like to get eth0 interface settings from dhcp, but still add a static route. is there a way i can modify /etc/network/interfaces by using iface eth0 inet dhcp and still add another static route? |
| 10:52.32 | tuv | infinity0: raid-1 ? |
| 10:52.44 | tishammer | is post-up the only way? |
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| 10:53.01 | infinity0 | tuv: er, anything that's easier to set-up |
| 10:53.08 | rozie | tishammer: dhclient has some options |
| 10:53.11 | rozie | read manual |
| 10:53.31 | infinity0 | also, the 2nd device is only intermittently available |
| 10:53.33 | tishammer | rozie: how is dhclient integrated with /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 10:54.05 | rozie | tishammer: how do you get settings from dhcp? |
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| 10:54.36 | Testien | Hello, can somebody tell me what exactly does the "fix scrollbars" button in "gtk fonts and themes" in kde systemsettings do? |
| 10:54.52 | tuv | infinity0: actually, linux software raid-1 is trivial to setup. e.g.: mdadm --create md0 --level=1 --raid-devices=2 /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 |
| 10:55.27 | tishammer | rozie: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 10:55.29 | infinity0 | what about the availability issue |
| 10:55.30 | tuv | infinity0: 'intermittently available' and realtime don't mix |
| 10:55.37 | infinity0 | hmm |
| 10:56.15 | tishammer | rozie: i guess i have either to ask the server to send me the static routes with the rest of the information or to add them myself after i recieve the information from the dhcp server. |
| 10:56.29 | kimda | hi i have installed lenny on a hp DL160 G6 with a P410 controller. But after restarting I only get a blinking cursor and no grub menu. How can I fix this? The version is the latest lenny amd64 netinstall. |
| 10:56.56 | OpenTokix | kimda: Did you select generic or targeted for the moduleS? |
| 10:57.00 | rozie | tishammer: in /etc/network/interfaces you just specify how should get config. it needs a program for it. which one do you use? |
| 10:57.04 | tuv | infinity0: you could use rsync to sync the 'intermittently available' disk upon coming online |
| 10:57.20 | kjs | is there a way to find the original install date of a debian system? |
| 10:57.53 | kimda | where can I select this? because4 it didn't ask me for this |
| 10:58.07 | cahoot | kjs: see if /var/log/installer is there |
| 10:58.37 | infinity0 | tuv: er, how does that mix with raid.. |
| 10:58.45 | tishammer | rozie: dhcpt3 |
| 10:58.58 | tishammer | rozie: dhcp3 |
| 10:58.59 | tishammer | sorry |
| 10:59.51 | infinity0 | i suppose i could use sshfs or something, but ideally i'd like a local copy too :/ |
| 10:59.53 | tuv | kjs: /var/log/installer/ |
| 11:00.15 | kjs | I don't see a /var/log/installer |
| 11:00.36 | cahoot | probably a modern addition |
| 11:01.05 | tuv | infinity0: that was an alternative to raid. less automatic, but accommodates occasional availability |
| 11:01.06 | kjs | this box has gone sarge => etch => lenny |
| 11:01.49 | tuv | there was /root/installation-report, then there was /var/log/installation-report, then now there is /var/log/installer/* |
| 11:02.39 | infinity0 | tuv: sshfs was an alternative to raid? how do you get it to mirror? |
| 11:03.00 | kjs | /var/log/debian-installer/ is all i can find |
| 11:03.08 | rozie | tishammer: there's no such package as dhcp3. and there's no such a program |
| 11:03.29 | tishammer | ahah |
| 11:03.39 | tuv | infinity0: i never mentioined sshfs. i was referring to rsync |
| 11:03.43 | infinity0 | it's been renamed to isc-dhclient or something, search for dhclient |
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| 11:03.50 | infinity0 | tuv: oh ok |
| 11:04.00 | tishammer | rozie: the command is dhclient and the package is dhcp3-client |
| 11:04.08 | rozie | oh! |
| 11:04.22 | rozie | that brings us back to 12:53 < rozie> tishammer: dhclient has some options |
| 11:04.35 | kimda | OpenTokix: I've installed it with amd64 netinstall with an usb stick. It recognized the raid array and I could partition the disk |
| 11:04.41 | innociv | how do I get an init.d script to not require sudo? I'm using monit, and it can't start a program because of no permissions or somehting. |
| 11:04.41 | tuv | kjs: my file/directory names are not accurate. more emphasis on the location |
| 11:05.37 | nsadmin | innociv: you have to get the thing it controls to not require root |
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| 11:05.46 | rozie | man dhclient and other config files |
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| 11:05.58 | nsadmin | but do you want your plain users to control your whole system? |
| 11:06.04 | abrotman | innociv: you can use su |
| 11:06.06 | rozie | there are pretty much options that can be overwriten |
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| 11:08.03 | innociv | nsadmin, how would I do that? make it executable by everyone, or group? |
| 11:08.31 | nsadmin | dunno. what is it? |
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| 11:10.12 | infinity0 | tuv: actually i just found bindfs, i think that will do what i want |
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| 11:10.30 | infinity0 | bindfs+sshfs to do the mirroring and rsync to sync the two when one becomes unavailable for a while |
| 11:12.41 | lyakh | in squeeze: "beep" command beeps the system speaker, other activities, that normally do the same, like ambiguous command completion - do not, why? |
| 11:15.43 | abrotman | in which CLI? the console? |
| 11:16.22 | innociv | nsadmin, aped, ajax push engine. |
| 11:16.25 | lyakh | abrotman: any, including gnome terminal. yes, system bell is enabled |
| 11:17.02 | abrotman | not the visual bell ? |
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| 11:17.11 | kurkale6ka | Hi, once I've created a live usb, can I install additional packages? |
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| 11:18.18 | lyakh | abrotman: well, yes, call it the bell. the normal pc-speaker, the one, controlled by the pcspkr driver |
| 11:18.58 | abrotman | !bell |
| 11:18.58 | dpkg | To disable the bell: "xset b off" in X, "setterm -blength 0" in console. For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode; "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. In konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell. See also <pcspkr>, <shell beep>, <metacity bell bug>. |
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| 11:19.44 | lyakh | Bug#526403 |
| 11:20.44 | abrotman | dpkg: dbugs 526403 |
| 11:20.48 | dpkg | DONE:#526403:N[konsole] konsole: PC speaker beep is not passed from Bash through Konsole (); Thu, 30 Apr 2009 23:24:02 UTC [] |
| 11:20.57 | abrotman | marked as fixed |
| 11:21.13 | lyakh | !shell beep |
| 11:21.13 | dpkg | rumour has it, shell beep is man inputrc ; man readline (i.e. edit ~/.inputrc and set bell-style none) - also man setterm. |
| 11:21.18 | tuv | infinity0: you sure? description says it's like 'mount --bind', which doesn't actually copy anything, just makes the contents accessible from another mount point |
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| 11:21.37 | Hibby | afternoon |
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| 11:23.00 | thenthenio | Hello I need help on migrating etch to lanny... |
| 11:23.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: tell thenthenio about etch -> lenny |
| 11:23.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: tell thenthenio about etch->lenny |
| 11:23.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | retard bot |
| 11:23.52 | Hibby | haha |
| 11:23.58 | infinity0 | tuv: i'll test it soon, i was hoping you could mount another filesystem on top of the 2nd bind point, then it would just write stuff to that |
| 11:24.02 | thenthenio | I found information on the net but I'm on a loop!!! |
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| 11:26.36 | innociv | I don't see how to change the user that monit is run under, nsadmin |
| 11:26.56 | kmonk | kurkale6ka: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Howto/Custom_Install (what you're looking for is "persistence"?) |
| 11:27.13 | lyakh | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=526403 says I should "go to System Settings application and choose Notifications" - where the heck are those things??? |
| 11:27.15 | kurkale6ka | kmonk: ok, cheers |
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| 11:27.48 | abrotman | thenthenio: a loop ? |
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| 11:28.02 | abrotman | lyakh: that bug is for KDE .. are you using KDE? |
| 11:28.10 | lyakh | abrotman: no |
| 11:28.17 | abrotman | so maybe that's not your probelm? |
| 11:28.34 | lyakh | yeah... |
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| 11:28.40 | lyakh | good point |
| 11:29.40 | kmonk | thenthenio: http://www.debianadmin.com/howto-upgrade-from-debian-etch-40-to-lenny-50.html looks dated however |
| 11:29.59 | kmonk | may still be applicable |
| 11:30.25 | innociv | Can anyone help me with monit? It doesn't have permission to start something by init.d, and I'm not sure how to have it have permission to. |
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| 11:30.51 | thenthenio | abrotman: I changed all etch to lenny in souces.list - did aptitude update - and did aptitude installapt dpkg aptitude, this last command says I first need to install kernel 2.6 - trying to do apt-get install -t etch linux-image-2.6 it says I get errosrs on libc6 and it tells to execute apt-get -f install, when I do it asks me to migrate to kernel 2.6 -> this is the loop! |
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| 11:31.24 | alcy | not sure whom to bug really, but I need some help with testing qpsmtpd in a local environment (without any DNS servers, that is ) |
| 11:31.37 | alcy | on Debian of course :) |
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| 11:32.08 | abrotman | thenthenio: do you still have the etch sources in your sources.list ? |
| 11:32.19 | abrotman | thenthenio: what is your current uname -r ? |
| 11:32.27 | thenthenio | kmonk: I followed exactly that procedure... |
| 11:33.11 | kmonk | ^^ |
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| 11:33.38 | thenthenio | abrotman: yes but I decided to meve to lenny because tha system was not able to update packages anymore the etch sources seem to be not any more online! |
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| 11:34.05 | abrotman | it should be `aptitude update && aptitude install linux-2.6-$(ARCH) && $(alter your sources.list) && aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude dpkg && aptitude full-upgrade" .. or something like that |
| 11:34.08 | thenthenio | abrotman: 2.4.27 very old! |
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| 11:34.34 | innociv | Anyone? I've visited 10 sites and can't find anything about the user and permissions with monit. |
| 11:34.35 | abrotman | thenthenio: okay .. you need to see archive.debian.org .. get your system back to looking at etch sources, install the etch 2.6 kernel, get it running, then do the upgrade to lenny |
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| 11:35.24 | jpinx-eeepc | !monit |
| 11:35.25 | dpkg | monit is, like, a utility for monitoring services on a UNIX system, performing actions (e.g. service restart via init script) when issues are detected. Packaged for Debian. http://mmonit.com/wiki/Monit/FAQ http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/269 http://mmonit.com/monit/ See also <nagios>. |
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| 11:35.37 | jpinx-eeepc | innociv: ^^^ |
| 11:35.42 | thenthenio | abrotman: ok, what sources can I use to get back etch packages? |
| 11:35.55 | alcohol | monit < munin |
| 11:36.08 | abrotman | !tel thenthenio about etch sources.list |
| 11:36.19 | abrotman | !tell thenthenio about etch sources.list |
| 11:36.24 | abrotman | let's try spelling that correctly :) |
| 11:37.37 | innociv | I looked ath taht, jpinx |
| 11:37.40 | innociv | it says nothingabout user and permsisions.. |
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| 11:38.16 | debulante | hey guys |
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| 11:38.43 | thenthenio | abrotman: ok got etch sources! |
| 11:39.48 | debulante | is there any way to modify exports to tell all nodes to mount /home/nfsroot and my client to mount /mnt/hda5/yuki? |
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| 11:41.05 | lyakh | ok, so, one more problem without a solution. two others are pidgin not connecting automatically on startup and utf8 not selected properly in gnome-terminal) |
| 11:41.11 | debulante | all my nodes and my cleint are pxe, cuz they are all diskless. |
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| 11:41.54 | thenthenio | abrotman: no, seemed working but I got Dynamic MMap ran out of room - Error occurred while processing vgrind (NewVersion1) - Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/archive.debian.org_debian_dists_etch_main_binary-i386_Packages - The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. - Couldn't rebuild package cache. |
| 11:41.55 | stayb | i cant open a shared folder in vbox with the virtual winxp: i created a folder named share: i want to open it with \\vboxsvry\share i get the network path was not found . Whats wrong? |
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| 11:43.16 | obsidieth | i need to extract certain files from an archive with a wildcard |
| 11:43.18 | obsidieth | .rar archive that is |
| 11:43.21 | obsidieth | but its not taking *s |
| 11:43.26 | stayb | ok i think i need the guest addions, thats it, they should add this information in the docs |
| 11:43.36 | thenthenio | stayb: there is a "y" more than needed... |
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| 11:44.01 | abrotman | thenthenio: comment out the lenny sources |
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| 11:44.46 | infinity0 | tuv: yeah doesn't work bah. |
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| 11:45.41 | kmonk | hey debulante: how did you get on? |
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| 11:46.02 | debulante | kmonk what do you mean? |
| 11:46.05 | nsadmin | innociv, does monit use privileged resources/write to root-only places etc? |
| 11:46.15 | kmonk | ok i read nw nvm :p |
| 11:46.37 | nsadmin | if so... you're not going to be able to run it as other than root |
| 11:46.37 | debulante | kmonk miss me? |
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| 11:47.02 | abrotman | thenthenio: better ? |
| 11:47.16 | thenthenio | abrotman: Yes! |
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| 11:47.24 | abrotman | thenthenio: got that kernel installed yet? |
| 11:47.36 | jpinx-eeepc | points debulante towards #debian-offtopic before she goes all chatty ;) |
| 11:47.45 | innociv | nsadmin, no idea.. |
| 11:47.57 | debulante | jpinx-eeepc oh be quiet |
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| 11:48.32 | thenthenio | abrotman: now its doing apt-get -f install but it is removing many packages like gcc binutils... |
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| 11:50.12 | debulante | jpinx-eeepc if you really must know i was wondering if anyone knew how to edit the exports file so i could get all my nodes to /home/nfsroot, but my diskless client to /nfs/hda5/yuki |
| 11:50.37 | debulante | and am i really that chatty? |
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| 11:53.14 | abrotman | thenthenio: that doesn't sound so good .. weren't you just installing a kernel ? |
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| 11:53.57 | kmonk | debulante: I just found this: http://www.naos.co.nz/papers/diskless/index.html |
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| 11:54.43 | debulante | kmonk thanks babe |
| 11:55.01 | thenthenio | abrotman: yes but due to errors on libc6 it asked me to do: apt-get -f install :/ |
| 11:55.10 | abrotman | boo |
| 11:56.16 | kmonk | debulante: under "a complete example" it goes on to say something about manually editing the /etc/exports file... you might wanna read the whole thing just to get a rehash and you're welcome :D |
| 11:56.56 | thenthenio | abrotman: I reinstalled libc6 gcc... and now installing new kernel seems working (configuring kernel)! |
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| 12:04.24 | alcohol | how can I configure syslog to ignore log lines from postfix? cause they're all duplicates of what I can find in mail.log pretty much |
| 12:05.15 | abrotman | thenthenio: aptitude install "~pstandard" might help also |
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| 12:14.40 | EduardeCalibal | Hi. If I need a list of permissions of each folder from a basic Debian system, which is the first place to seek? I think I changed any to root and now the system dont mount CDROM. |
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| 12:15.51 | cantido | EduardeCalibal: what happens when you try to mount a cd? |
| 12:16.01 | EduardeCalibal | A message about only root... |
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| 12:16.14 | cantido | EduardeCalibal: what happens if you do it as root |
| 12:16.24 | EduardeCalibal | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:16.42 | EduardeCalibal | Now I set the mount to +s but this is a alternative, I need repair the cause... |
| 12:16.42 | BaconZombie | Hey |
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| 12:17.07 | cantido | EduardeCalibal: your fstab line for it needs to have "user" as an option to allow users to mount it iirc |
| 12:17.14 | EduardeCalibal | Yes... |
| 12:17.20 | EduardeCalibal | Dont work... |
| 12:17.30 | EduardeCalibal | fstab is ok. |
| 12:18.07 | cantido | EduardeCalibal: what do the perms on the block dev and mount point look like? |
| 12:18.14 | cantido | EduardeCalibal: is your user in the cdrom group? |
| 12:18.34 | lyakh | cool: in gnome terminal "beep" beeps the bell, "strace beep" goes to the sound card... |
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| 12:19.18 | EduardeCalibal | Yes, group is ok, let me see the permission of the device. |
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| 12:19.41 | EduardeCalibal | brw-rw----+ 1 root cdrom 11, 0 Ago 25 08:22 /dev/sr0 |
| 12:19.55 | EduardeCalibal | I think is ok... |
| 12:20.00 | BaconZombie | Does anybody know what Debian 5.0.5 does not find either NIc on a Dell E6410 ? {"Intel 825xx" & Dell Wireless WLAN 1520} |
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| 12:20.35 | cantido | EduardeCalibal: mmmm have you tried strace to see what is actually happening.. you should be able to see where it's failing |
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| 12:20.57 | EduardeCalibal | strace? |
| 12:21.16 | EduardeCalibal | Send the process and I try it. |
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| 12:21.30 | EduardeCalibal | strace mount? |
| 12:21.43 | cantido | EduardeCalibal: it will show you what calls are happening.. you should be able to see what happens before it tells you that only root can mount it |
| 12:21.59 | cantido | EduardeCalibal: what does groups say for the user though? |
| 12:22.06 | EduardeCalibal | Moment.... |
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| 12:22.42 | cantido | EduardeCalibal: the only other permission I can think of is mtab.. I think mount is setuid root though |
| 12:22.57 | abrotman | BaconZombie: they might be too new .. you can try the unofficial installer or the squeeze installer |
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| 12:23.06 | pie_time | wikipedia says knoppix only has a few thousand packages (~3500) but I thought since it was based on Debian more packages would be available for it. |
| 12:23.11 | abrotman | EduardeCalibal: i told you to stop screwing with permissions |
| 12:23.17 | abrotman | pie_time: ask #knoppix |
| 12:23.31 | EduardeCalibal | Ok, I check it. This command, strace, give a big amount of informations, I try debug it. |
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| 12:23.56 | EduardeCalibal | I dont change this permissions abrotman, this happen when this system is transfered from a hd to another. |
| 12:23.57 | cantido | EduardeCalibal: paste bin it |
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| 12:24.25 | cantido | EduardeCalibal: does the line in fstab refer to the right block device on the new system? |
| 12:24.41 | EduardeCalibal | Yes, right block. Or the root dont mount to... |
| 12:24.49 | cantido | good point |
| 12:25.03 | EduardeCalibal | I need some time to try debug this information. I need time, but thanks guys. |
| 12:25.19 | cantido | why didn't you preserve permissions :/ |
| 12:25.52 | cantido | maybe telling apt-get/aptitude to reinstall everything would fix it. |
| 12:25.56 | EduardeCalibal | Some type of error, this happen a many time ago, I think I put this disk with user permission and do a mount... |
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| 12:26.09 | cantido | you should have used tar |
| 12:26.11 | EduardeCalibal | Possible, but is more easy found it in a erro log. |
| 12:26.15 | EduardeCalibal | Thanks again. |
| 12:26.17 | EduardeCalibal | Cya. |
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| 12:36.31 | kmonk | BaconZombie: hi :D |
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| 12:38.43 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 12:40.32 | kmonk | BaconZombie: looking at the kernel tree i can't see anything relating to the model numbers you described, chipset names for the controllers that handle your devices would be more helpful |
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| 12:42.30 | debulante | kmonk: im still getting connection timeout on the nodes. ugh. |
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| 12:43.22 | nsadmin | EduardeCalibal your original question was about file permissions in a basic debian install... one way to find out is make some space and install one |
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| 12:44.08 | nsadmin | then write a script to compare the permissions and owners of each dir that exists in both |
| 12:44.22 | EduardeCalibal | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:44.31 | EduardeCalibal | But this is brute force... |
| 12:44.59 | nsadmin | maybe you should look at the permissions on the mount point |
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| 12:46.05 | EduardeCalibal | I give all permissions to mount point... |
| 12:46.33 | EduardeCalibal | To /media and to /media/cdrom |
| 12:47.11 | mugwort13 | Anyone know how one could get the configuration files for the nano package in squeeze? The syntax highlighting is perfect. |
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| 12:47.39 | kmonk | BaconZombie: prehaps because it isn't included in the kernel tree yet? if the very latest kernel doesn't have it then you can get this driver: http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?ProductID=987&DwnldID=9180&lang=eng from intel directly which should at least meet the requirements for your physical connection |
| 12:47.41 | nsadmin | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root <-- both /media and /media/cdrom |
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| 12:48.15 | EduardeCalibal | I give all... drwxrwxrwx. |
| 12:48.28 | kmonk | assuming your driver is listed on that page of course. |
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| 12:48.45 | kmonk | devicea8 rather... |
| 12:48.51 | dokma | where are man pages stored on disk? |
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| 12:49.34 | EduardeCalibal | Hum... /usr/share/man, I think. |
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| 12:49.44 | lyakh | guuuuuys.... what's that... |
| 12:49.51 | EduardeCalibal | Or /usr/share/doc/manpages |
| 12:49.52 | lyakh | I've built beep myself |
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| 12:49.58 | lyakh | put it under ~/bin |
| 12:50.08 | lyakh | "which beep" says ~/bin/beep |
| 12:50.20 | lyakh | but when I run beep - /usr/bin/beep is run... |
| 12:50.36 | kmonk | dokma: try < man man > :) under "files" and yeah the main heirachy is under /usr/share/man |
| 12:50.53 | lyakh | and - beep, that I build from sources doesn't beep either... only the binary one...... |
| 12:50.54 | dokma | nice! ;) |
| 12:50.59 | lyakh | (from debian sources) |
| 12:51.17 | Op8eeFee | how would i copy files to different directories and ensure that there at least n copies even if some copies fail if there is not enough space in that mountpoint? |
| 12:51.25 | jordanm | lyakh: you want "type beep" |
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| 12:52.00 | lyakh | jordanm: ok... that returns hashed... |
| 12:52.15 | lyakh | but I didn't expect "which" to return smth different |
| 12:52.29 | EduardeCalibal | Maybe is some type of priority in execution sequence, like path command from MSDOS... |
| 12:52.39 | stew | lyakh: try "rehash" then try beep again |
| 12:52.50 | lyakh | rehash - not found |
| 12:52.58 | stew | lyakh: try starting a new shell then |
| 12:52.58 | lyakh | it's long gone, AFAIR |
| 12:53.04 | EduardeCalibal | I dont have this command to... |
| 12:53.11 | lyakh | stew: yes, that helps, of course |
| 12:53.25 | stew | lyakh: i don't know how to rehash in bash. "rehash" works in zsh |
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| 12:53.43 | lyakh | stew: it used to exist in bash many years ago... |
| 12:54.05 | jordanm | hash -r in bash |
| 12:54.11 | jordanm | "help hash" |
| 12:54.22 | Op8eeFee | i want to distribute a local backup set to different directories/mountpoints |
| 12:54.44 | EduardeCalibal | You need a copy or a mirror? |
| 12:54.44 | lyakh | jordanm: yep, thanks, that was it. still it doesn't explain the damned bell problem |
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| 12:55.54 | Op8eeFee | EduardeCalibal: i would like to copy the files but in each directory i don't have enough space to hold all the data. so i try to make at least 3 copies over all directories so that i can reconstruct the original dir by copying from several dirs |
| 12:56.03 | BlueChip | Is this the right place to ask for help getting Debian to connect to my (hidden ssid) network ? |
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| 12:56.32 | kmonk | debulante: respectfully i don't fully understand the situation and neither do you, one approach would be to eliminate all possible obstacles to you achieving your goal, using static ip's instead of dhcp, ensure you fully understand the server authorization method/methods, take a long hard look at the bridge/router and all it's settings as well... sorry i can't help anymore pxelinux is out of my league. |
| 12:56.50 | abrotman | BlueChip: using which connection software? |
| 12:56.58 | lyakh | BlueChip: I had this problem before, then I was told to make ssid visible, since it doesn't bring any additional security anyway. since then it works |
| 12:57.17 | BlueChip | abrotman: ifconfig, iwscan, etc |
| 12:57.28 | abrotman | don't you just name the ESSID ? |
| 12:57.46 | EduardeCalibal | Op8eeFee, this is hight availability process... Now I dont remember the name of the package... |
| 12:58.13 | EduardeCalibal | I read some about it in Clusters... |
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| 12:58.33 | BlueChip | lyakh, abrotman: every hurdle is a hurdle. If it's this much aggro to connect to a hidden network then that's all the more reason to want it |
| 12:59.12 | Op8eeFee | EduardeCalibal: for example if i mount a remote server's storage via sshfs i would be able to fanout backup sets to multiple remote places that might be unreliable or not available at all time |
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| 13:00.01 | jaes | hi |
| 13:00.03 | Op8eeFee | or on local disks, each don't need to be as large as the complete backup set and if I drop one disk and it gets defective, there are alternate copie |
| 13:00.08 | Op8eeFee | +s |
| 13:00.25 | EduardeCalibal | Yes, this is the idea, a cluster with several machines and several places do copy files, when start the machine start one process and a copy is done. Any server have the same data. |
| 13:00.27 | debulante | kmonk: well, thank you for your help. |
| 13:00.56 | jaes | I'm using bridge-utils and i just realized I cant add more than ~55 addresses to the br0 interface of the bridge. Does anyone know a way to change that ? |
| 13:00.57 | BlueChip | I'm still amazed that Linux cannot connect to a hidden network when every other OS does it effortlessly |
| 13:01.04 | kmonk | debulante: http://geco.phys.columbia.edu/~jrollins/howtos/diskless.html take a look at this first though; it has a number of steps i think your howto has overlooked |
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| 13:02.16 | EduardeCalibal | Op8eeFee, read this material... http://www.linux-ha.org/wiki/Download |
| 13:02.25 | Op8eeFee | EduardeCalibal: tnx! |
| 13:02.47 | kmonk | debulante: namely kernel modification to suit the intended purpose of a node / server relaitonship |
| 13:02.50 | cantido | BlueChip: hidden network? |
| 13:03.00 | BlueChip | *hidden SSID |
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| 13:03.25 | cantido | BlueChip: raw iwconfig or Network Manager (or similar)? |
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| 13:03.44 | BlueChip | raw iwconfig |
| 13:03.55 | BlueChip | http://pastie.org/1090690 |
| 13:04.07 | Op8eeFee | EduardeCalibal: I know pacemaker as cluster solution. most ha filesystems want to keep in sync 1:1. i.e. drbd is something like raid1 over the network |
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| 13:04.36 | EduardeCalibal | Seek more data about each software used. |
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| 13:05.02 | EduardeCalibal | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:05.21 | EduardeCalibal | I dont have more informations. But dont is to hard to be made. |
| 13:05.33 | Op8eeFee | EduardeCalibal: I want to simply distribute data until it is n-times redundant but initially there is no guarantee, that there is any redundancy at all. this method however would have the side effect to link multiple storage locations of different size together |
| 13:05.47 | cantido | Op8eeFee: look at glusterfs |
| 13:05.47 | abrotman | !br |
| 13:05.47 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 13:06.05 | abrotman | Op8eeFee: there are a few distributed filesystems |
| 13:06.09 | abrotman | GFS was another |
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| 13:06.32 | EduardeCalibal | I dont see people using portuguese here abrotman... |
| 13:06.36 | HTT-Bird | hey...what should I do about the Flash pickle? use the workaround from the wiki? wait for Adobe to release a new 64-bit flash version? use an alternative (Gnash, Lightspark)? |
| 13:06.40 | cantido | don't expect decent locking *and* decent performance at the same time though.. |
| 13:06.55 | cantido | HTT-Bird: The workaround from the wiki works |
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| 13:07.11 | Op8eeFee | abrotman: i have worked with GFS. it enables to access data on shared storage with full read/write. such shared storage is usually a san or cheap mans way: drbd. that needs the same storage size on both locations |
| 13:07.12 | cantido | HTT-Bird: if you only need youtube and don't made clearing your cookies all the time use gnash |
| 13:07.36 | abrotman | EduardeCalibal: it's on irc.oftc.net .. |
| 13:07.43 | abrotman | !tell HTT-Bird about adobe flash |
| 13:07.50 | cantido | Op8eeFee: you probably want one of the userland solutions.. there are 3 or 4. I suggested glusterfs |
| 13:08.07 | EduardeCalibal | Is a server? |
| 13:08.24 | Op8eeFee | I thought that there are solutions available, that could also be used to create mirrors for ftp and the like. |
| 13:08.33 | cantido | BlueChip: does dmesg have any output about what the interface is doing? |
| 13:08.54 | cantido | Op8eeFee: if you just want to copy stuff about use rsync or unison.. |
| 13:09.13 | EduardeCalibal | Resources from Debian, thanks. |
| 13:09.22 | BlueChip | cantido: checking... |
| 13:09.30 | abrotman | EduardeCalibal: /server irc.oftc.net, then /join #debian-br |
| 13:09.48 | abrotman | EduardeCalibal: they have a large and active community IIRC |
| 13:10.05 | Op8eeFee | cantido: maybe i will write some scripts that use rsync to copy the files. tnx. the problem is what happens when there is not enough space left to copy a file. then it needs to continue on another mountpoint. |
| 13:10.12 | EduardeCalibal | I use many channels same time. But thanks. |
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| 13:10.49 | cantido | Op8eeFee: ok, why do you want to copy the files? backups? |
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| 13:11.50 | Op8eeFee | i have multiple usb disks attached on a server or different web space available of different sizes. i have a local copy of my server backups and want to distribute them on the available space. |
| 13:11.51 | jordanm | Op8eeFee: thats really going to hurt rsync and its benefits of incremental backup, unless you you plan the split ahead |
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| 13:12.03 | Crystal33fqc | hi |
| 13:12.18 | jordanm | perhaps a distributed filesystem, but I can see that not working well on usb drives |
| 13:12.24 | Crystal33fqc | 900++ people here wow! :) |
| 13:12.31 | cantido | Op8eeFee: use usb disks that are the same size as what you need to back up |
| 13:12.40 | EduardeCalibal | abrotman, 21 users now at debian-br... |
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| 13:12.50 | cantido | Op8eeFee: or use some sort of union mount |
| 13:12.51 | BlueChip | cantido: sorry, forgot I'm working on a LiveCD and just redoing the config |
| 13:12.53 | Op8eeFee | cantido: that wouldbe the easy way ;-) |
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| 13:13.14 | Crystal33fqc | whats in here? |
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| 13:13.22 | Crystal33fqc | anyone? |
| 13:13.26 | cantido | Op8eeFee: what if one of those disks dies.. and the files you need happen to be on the dead disk |
| 13:13.28 | jordanm | Crystal33fqc: debian support |
| 13:13.48 | Op8eeFee | cantido: thats why there should be n-copies of the file distributed on other storage |
| 13:13.54 | Crystal33fqc | jordanm: ok :) tnx |
| 13:14.00 | yow | hi room |
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| 13:14.13 | Crystal33fqc | hi yow |
| 13:14.14 | cantido | Op8eeFee: are the disks going to be disconnected? |
| 13:14.24 | BlueChip | cantido: only dmesg is "wlan0: no IPv6 routers present" |
| 13:14.40 | Op8eeFee | maybe disconnected or rotated |
| 13:15.03 | Crystal33fqc | aww everyones busy :( |
| 13:15.12 | cantido | BlueChip: mmm so nothing about not being able to find the ap.. I think you can set the AP address manually, have you tried that? |
| 13:15.35 | cantido | Op8eeFee: I think you'll end up with a mess unless you make sure you label everything |
| 13:15.56 | yow | Crystal33fqc, do u know whether or not a hardware raid card supports 2 hard drives with 2 partitions each running both raid1 (sda1 & sdb1) and raid0 (sda2 & sdb2) simultaneously? |
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| 13:16.10 | cantido | Op8eeFee: and make sure whatever system you decide to implement doesn't start backing up over an old set etc |
| 13:16.31 | rgr | it should do exactly that : you nominate X sets then it rotates. As I said : rsnapshot. |
| 13:16.47 | Crystal33fqc | yow: it does :PP hehe |
| 13:16.55 | Crystal33fqc | ;P |
| 13:16.59 | EduardeCalibal | Ok, I debugged the return from the command strace when make mount +s and before, 3 lines have changed "fcntl64(0, F_GETFD) = 0" and with number 1 and 2. |
| 13:17.00 | BlueChip | cantido: I've not tried setting the AP manually ...I presume you mean the AP-MAC ? |
| 13:17.14 | Crystal33fqc | oh well |
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| 13:17.26 | yow | Crystal33fqc, thx but does it has to be 2 volume groups, i.e. vg1 (sda1 & sdb1) & vg2 (sda2 & sdb2)? |
| 13:17.51 | cantido | BlueChip: yeah, I think you force the ap mac with iwconfig.. |
| 13:18.24 | dokma | do I have to boot my machine from a live CD if I want to copy one hard disk to another using dd? |
| 13:18.29 | BlueChip | cantido: wioll read up and try ...Thanks :) |
| 13:18.34 | Op8eeFee | rgr: rsnapshot is cool. actually i use it for local backups. however rsnapshot will have difficulties, if there is not enough space on the single backup location. my plan is to increase availability of the backup sets by distributing it as much as possible on arbitrary storage locations |
| 13:18.36 | abrotman | dokma: it'd be a very good idea |
| 13:18.38 | dokma | or can it be done live while the machie is running? |
| 13:18.42 | cantido | BlueChip: I'm not totally sure how the hidden ssid thing works. I presume it broadcasts something using the hidden ssid id and then the AP responds "I'm over here".. but that would sort of negate the point of hiding the ssid |
| 13:18.49 | abrotman | dokma: this disk holds your / ? |
| 13:18.56 | dokma | abrotman: yes |
| 13:18.57 | jacekowski | dokma: you can't copy live filesystem |
| 13:19.07 | jacekowski | dokma: you can remount it as read only and then copy |
| 13:19.08 | abrotman | dokma: you can try, it won't go very well :) |
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| 13:19.17 | cantido | Op8eeFee: use a union mount |
| 13:19.27 | dokma | because of the ongoing changes on the filesystem? |
| 13:19.32 | yow | anyway: does it has to be 2 volume groups, i.e. vg1 (sda1 & sdb1) & vg2 (sda2 & sdb2)? |
| 13:19.34 | BlueChip | cantido: Yes, that's pretty much it ...To get the name of a hidden SSID, you just watch a host sign-in as the name is given in plain text |
| 13:19.36 | cantido | Op8eeFee: rsnapshot doesn't need to know that the fs isn't a single disk |
| 13:19.40 | jacekowski | yow: no |
| 13:19.40 | yow | anyone: does it has to be 2 volume groups, i.e. vg1 (sda1 & sdb1) & vg2 (sda2 & sdb2)? |
| 13:19.42 | dokma | most of the stuff that is important for me to be backed up are static files |
| 13:19.54 | jacekowski | yow: just one big vg |
| 13:20.21 | abrotman | dokma: that's one reason |
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| 13:20.22 | yow | jacekowski, do u mean the md0 (raid1) & md1 (raid0) can be put under 1 big vg? |
| 13:20.22 | jacekowski | yow: ekhm |
| 13:20.32 | Op8eeFee | cantido: wouldn't a union mount reduce the availability of the backup storage? what happens if a single disk perishes? |
| 13:20.32 | EduardeCalibal | candido, know what represent the line "fcntl64(0, F_GETFD) = 0" from my strace mount? |
| 13:20.33 | jacekowski | yow: what are you trying to do? |
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| 13:20.44 | dokma | abrotman: you think that rsync would be a better solution? |
| 13:20.44 | cantido | BlueChip: which some chips (the atheros ones from memory) you get messages in dmesg about scanning etc. That would help a lot :/ |
| 13:20.54 | jacekowski | yow: because having different raid levels in same vg is bad idea |
| 13:21.04 | jacekowski | yow: well, using raid0 is bad idea |
| 13:21.18 | cantido | Op8eeFee: it sounds like you want some sort of RAID0 + something |
| 13:21.26 | sep | debulante, you can define other files in pxelinux.cfg/* besides default. that way you can have different command line arguments for different machines in different files. you can also set the root-path variable in dhcp instead of a command line argument (that's what i do) |
| 13:21.29 | cantido | Op8eeFee: just how many usb ports do you have? |
| 13:21.38 | yow | jacekowski, may i know what's "ekhm"? |
| 13:21.50 | jacekowski | yow: nothing |
| 13:21.55 | abrotman | dokma: are the drives a different size? |
| 13:21.56 | jacekowski | yow: what are you trying to do? |
| 13:21.56 | sep | the exports file must just export all the needed filesystems so that the client is allowed, it's the root-path that defines what the clients tries to mount |
| 13:22.10 | dokma | abrotman: no they are identical make and size |
| 13:22.19 | abrotman | dokma: shouldn't matter then |
| 13:22.33 | BlueChip | cantido: this machine has a realtek .. running rescan now |
| 13:22.41 | yow | jacekowski, im thinking to put /, /var, /usr, /home, etc. on raid1 while placing /tmp & swap on raid0, what do u reckon? any suggestion? |
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| 13:23.04 | cantido | yow: raid1 for everything |
| 13:23.06 | jacekowski | how much memory do you have? |
| 13:23.15 | abrotman | a skullful ? |
| 13:23.16 | Op8eeFee | cantido: currently there are 4 usb hdds of different size connected to my server. some have not the capacity to hold my backup. concatenating the disks via lvm or the like would not be sensible. my plan was to simply distribute backups as much as possible. |
| 13:23.26 | yow | jacekowski, i thought /tmp & swap on raid0 would make the system run faster? |
| 13:23.32 | cantido | yow: you could probably live with /tmp on a tmpfs |
| 13:23.37 | jacekowski | yow: not really |
| 13:23.39 | debulante | sep, thanks. im fishing thru things now, gonna get back to this channel later if i need anymore help. If you want though, you can read all the info here on whats up now. http://paste.debian.net/85725 |
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| 13:23.50 | jacekowski | yow: if you have a lot of memory swap isn't going to be used anyways |
| 13:23.52 | yow | cantido, sorry, mistaken u as jacekowski |
| 13:23.53 | jordanm | Op8eeFee: you really should consider investing in a real backup system |
| 13:24.04 | jacekowski | yow: read speed of raid1 and raid0 is about same |
| 13:24.16 | yow | jacekowski, really? how come? |
| 13:24.20 | cantido | really |
| 13:24.33 | cantido | in what situation? |
| 13:24.35 | jacekowski | it's only write speed that's slower on raid1 |
| 13:24.38 | Op8eeFee | jordanm: i have a fully reliable backup system configured and up and running. i want another tier to make backup of backups |
| 13:24.38 | yow | jacekowski, i thought raid0 is for speed while raid0 is for redundancy? |
| 13:24.47 | BlueChip | cantido: ah! a problem seems to have shown itself ...let me correct the known-bug and try again |
| 13:24.55 | jordanm | Op8eeFee: backups of backups belong on tape :) |
| 13:25.01 | jacekowski | yow: yes, but raid1 has same data on two hdds |
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| 13:25.07 | jacekowski | yow: and can read it from both |
| 13:25.16 | jacekowski | yow: and double read speed by that |
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| 13:25.28 | jacekowski | yow: write speed will stay at normal level |
| 13:25.39 | kooll | jacekowski: unless you are reading only one file/stream, which means read speed won't be doubled :) |
| 13:25.41 | yow | jacekowski, i have 4gb of ram and may add more in future. however, it's a database server and i was advice to have about the same size of swap space regardless how much ram i have (or max of 4gb of swap)? |
| 13:25.49 | jacekowski | kooll: it will |
| 13:25.53 | kooll | and that's the most common test for 'speed' |
| 13:26.17 | yow | jacekowski, ic, i understand/make sense :) |
| 13:26.45 | jacekowski | kooll: dd if=any_raid1 of=/dev/null will give you same speed as dd if=any_raid0 of=/dev/null |
| 13:26.46 | yow | jacekowski, what do u mean by "write speed will stay at "normal" level"? |
| 13:26.50 | Op8eeFee | jordanm: sure. but i don't have that at home |
| 13:26.53 | kooll | jacekowski: nope |
| 13:26.54 | jacekowski | yow: single hdd |
| 13:26.59 | karme | jacekowski: only theoretically, afair |
| 13:27.04 | jacekowski | nope |
| 13:27.11 | jacekowski | it will |
| 13:27.28 | yow | jacekowski, i thought the write speed for raid0 should be double of the normal level? |
| 13:27.35 | jacekowski | yow: yes |
| 13:27.45 | jacekowski | yow: but i said that it will stay at normal level on raid1 |
| 13:27.52 | jacekowski | kooll: try it |
| 13:27.53 | sphenxes01 | How can I find out when do i have installed my system (lenny)? |
| 13:27.55 | jacekowski | kooll: and then argue |
| 13:28.01 | Op8eeFee | yow: there is raid0 concat and raid0 striped. only raid0 striped is actually faster |
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| 13:28.16 | kooll | jacekowski: I did. many times |
| 13:28.19 | yow | jacekowski, ic, sorry for misunderstanding. |
| 13:28.50 | kooll | jacekowski: I agree about that, when you read two part of the disk. but the sequential read of one stream isn't faster on raid1 than on a single disk |
| 13:28.57 | sep | debulante, did you write the client mac address file /tftpboot/pxelinux.cfg/clientmacaddress using the same syntax as it tries to load when it boots ? iow 01-[mac address] i have logging on my tftp server. then i just cut and paste the file it tries to log from the log to the filename |
| 13:29.01 | yow | OpenTokix, oooo that's something new to me!!! need to do further study then :( |
| 13:29.11 | jacekowski | kooll: then your raid isn't configured correctly |
| 13:29.38 | jacekowski | kooll: raid1 can make sequential reads faster |
| 13:29.49 | debulante | sep, yes. |
| 13:29.50 | kooll | jacekowski: reads. not read. :) |
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| 13:30.03 | jacekowski | sequential read* |
| 13:30.04 | kooll | jacekowski: and that dd test is one big sequential read, and won't get faster |
| 13:30.12 | jacekowski | it will |
| 13:30.14 | stew | kooll: it will |
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| 13:30.21 | kooll | really, think about 'how' you could get the data faster |
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| 13:30.32 | jacekowski | kooll: data can be read in parallel |
| 13:30.33 | Op8eeFee | yow: paradoxically raid0 is only effective on parallel i/o of larger junks. single i/os and small pieces are as fast as a single disk or sometimes even slower |
| 13:30.33 | innociv | Anyone familiar with monit? I can't figure out why this config doesn't work. http://pastebin.com/ryv9bDFX |
| 13:30.39 | jacekowski | kooll: part of it from one hdd part from another |
| 13:30.41 | innociv | I tried a similar with lighttpd, and it works |
| 13:30.42 | jacekowski | kooll: and linux does it |
| 13:30.49 | innociv | for lighttpd* |
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| 13:30.53 | jacekowski | kooll: except when you configure it to read data from both |
| 13:31.01 | jacekowski | kooll: to detect any problems with hdd |
| 13:31.01 | BlueChip | cantido: seems I am *still* getting Read file "/etc/Wireless/RT2860STA/RT2860STA.dat" failed(errCode=0)! ...even though it now exists with chmod 555 |
| 13:31.08 | jacekowski | kooll: which is default |
| 13:31.08 | kooll | jacekowski: but it would be the same data, and you would have to skip one sector alternatively on one disk and the other. not faster ... |
| 13:31.25 | yow | Op8eeFee, make sense, thx for the info. |
| 13:31.26 | HTT-Bird | cantido, yeah, wiki solution works well enough for now |
| 13:31.31 | jacekowski | kooll: read the code |
| 13:31.47 | jacekowski | kooll: it doesn't skip one sectors |
| 13:31.49 | kooll | jacekowski: I will. but I did the benchmark, more than once, on a lot of different raids |
| 13:31.57 | jacekowski | kooll: it skips quite a bit at a time |
| 13:31.58 | BlueChip | cantido: this is the full dump ..I'm not sure the read-error is the problem :/ http://pastie.org/1115000 |
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| 13:32.44 | stew | kooll: you mean to say that if you have the disk read a sector skip a sector, read a sector, skip a sector, that the disk can no longer fill more than half of the bandwidth to the disk? |
| 13:32.44 | kooll | jacekowski: I don't see why skipping would be faster than just reading the data, actually |
| 13:32.45 | cantido | BlueChip: just a mo.. |
| 13:33.01 | sep | debulante, on the nfs over tcp thing, are you perhaps using nfs-user-server instead of nfs-kernel server ? |
| 13:33.02 | kooll | stew: the disk won't spin faster |
| 13:33.25 | stew | kooll: yes, but the spin of the disk isn't the limitation, its the bus to the disk |
| 13:33.46 | debulante | sep, i am using nfs-kernel |
| 13:33.46 | kooll | stew: one what kind of disk would that be a limitation ? sata2 is something like 3Gbit/s |
| 13:34.38 | jacekowski | kooll: overheads |
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| 13:34.51 | jacekowski | kooll: and how fast can disk process data internally |
| 13:34.57 | cantido | BlueChip: I think I have seen that message myself.. the interface still worked though |
| 13:35.04 | jacekowski | kooll: bus is limiting it as well |
| 13:35.06 | kooll | jacekowski: I just tested once again to be sure, on a 6 disk raid1 array. I should see a large difference between single disk sequential read, and md device read. and ... I don't |
| 13:35.35 | lyakh | the beep problem is related with the tty ownership... |
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| 13:35.44 | kooll | (it's as fast as the fastest disk, and they aren't quite fast :) ) |
| 13:35.55 | BlueChip | cantido: is it a known bug in umbongo 10.04 ...you need to `touch` the file to get the network card to be recognised during boot (or no MAC address for you) |
| 13:35.58 | cantido | BlueChip: does connecting to a broadcasting network work? |
| 13:35.59 | innociv | Anyone familiar with monit? I can't figure out why this config doesn't work. http://pastebin.com/ryv9bDFX I tried similar for lighttpd, and lighttpd i started fine after it's killed. |
| 13:36.05 | BlueChip | cantido: yes |
| 13:36.32 | OpenTokix | yow: Excuse me+ |
| 13:36.46 | sep | debulante, then i have no idea. i would try something like : stop everything relating to the nfs server, verify it's stopped with ps aux. and start it again. |
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| 13:37.48 | pertl | I have a root server using dhcp to get it's network configuration. Can you tell me how to add an additional IP address to it ? |
| 13:38.00 | pertl | dhcp.conf |
| 13:38.20 | Op8eeFee | kooll: afaik access to raid1 is distributed amongst all raid disks. and after 128MB? read, the next disk gets selected in a roundrobin fashion |
| 13:38.50 | Op8eeFee | kooll: so you will see better access for parallel io only |
| 13:39.11 | Op8eeFee | kooll: and only for read ;-) |
| 13:40.17 | debulante | sep, already tried. i attempt a kill all for all nfs within activity monitor process table. they actually dont kill... |
| 13:41.13 | kooll | Op8eeFee: which is what I was saying, yes. for a simple, single sequential read (like 'dd' or many benchmarks), no differences |
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| 13:41.39 | jacekowski | kooll: on my raid1 ( i see ~30% difference ) |
| 13:41.56 | jacekowski | kooll: on my raid1 ( doing other stuff at the moment as well ) i see ~30% difference |
| 13:41.59 | kooll | there's more potential IOPS, and overall bandwidth available. but not for one file |
| 13:42.30 | cantido | if you have more than one processor you could be reading more than one file.. |
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| 13:43.07 | kooll | cantido: even with one processor, my servers can read way more than one file |
| 13:43.14 | kooll | disks are much slower than cpu |
| 13:44.16 | jacekowski | depends |
| 13:44.22 | jacekowski | if you are using iscsi SANs |
| 13:44.27 | cantido | kooll: I'm not sure how the kernel manages doing disk transfers,.. if you have multiple DMA channels etc |
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| 13:44.43 | jacekowski | my SANs can saturate any cpu |
| 13:44.48 | jacekowski | ( no iscsi offload ) |
| 13:44.51 | kooll | jacekowski: lucky you :) |
| 13:44.59 | cantido | kooll: but if you only have one process running only one process will be "reading a file" |
| 13:45.01 | jacekowski | well, you don't need that much |
| 13:45.12 | kooll | my directly attached disks can't saturate a cpu :/ |
| 13:45.20 | jacekowski | 10Gbit of iscsi traffic can saturate cpu |
| 13:45.22 | kooll | (not much overhead, of course :) ) |
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| 13:46.03 | cantido | jacekowski: that would be from processing the traffic though |
| 13:46.06 | jacekowski | on older servers i can get only 1Gbit of iscsi traffic |
| 13:46.15 | jacekowski | + other stuff |
| 13:46.37 | jacekowski | and then about 30%-40% of cpu goes to iscsi |
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| 13:46.58 | jacekowski | but it's cheaper to add another cpu than buy dedicated iscsi cards |
| 13:47.23 | cantido | so what you're saying isn't really about disk performance |
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| 13:48.06 | yow | OpenTokix, sorry for my late reply, I was reading the discussion between jacekowski, kooll & stew |
| 13:48.18 | yow | OpenTokix, how r u doing today? hope u r having a good day :) |
| 13:48.41 | yow | OpenTokix, thx again for your help yesterday, but, im coming back for more questions :( |
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| 13:50.01 | yow | OpenTokix, im slow in understanding their discussion and i has not yet finished reading, continue the reading now, brb... |
| 13:50.07 | OpenTokix | yow: Offtopic, but im fine. Have fun with debian and questions is a-ok. |
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| 13:50.33 | OpenTokix | yow: Future note, this is not really a social channel. It has anough spam as is. |
| 13:50.45 | cantido | kooll: directly attached disks should not use "the processor" to actually do the transfer |
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| 13:51.36 | cantido | kooll: unless your disks are from 1992 or something |
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| 13:56.50 | tuv | what is a usable scanner utility that scans to pdf? |
| 13:56.58 | morteng | I have a problem with imap.debian-community.org Is it down permanently? |
| 13:57.47 | stew | morteng: as #debian-community on irc.debian.org |
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| 14:03.25 | yow | OpenTokix, ic. thx. |
| 14:03.37 | bman | just installed a new lenny machine and installed screen and bash, yet when i run screen as a regular user i get a blank screen but running it as root drops me to a bash shell |
| 14:03.56 | bman | why would the regular user not be able to get a shell in screen |
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| 14:04.12 | bman | but can run say 'screen top' and top display |
| 14:04.41 | abrotman | hit enter a few times? |
| 14:04.44 | HSorgYves | i have a huge problem: there is an error in my /etc/fstab file and now / gets mounted read-only; thus I can's change the fstab file... how to proceed? |
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| 14:05.20 | bman | abrotman nothing, after the intro screen just get a blank screen as a regular user |
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| 14:06.17 | yow | jacekowski, i don't know if this question make any sense, but, may i know how I can "force" LVM to put /tmp & swap on md0 (raid0) instead of md1 (raid1), if both raids are under 1 big VG? |
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| 14:07.16 | Roey | Hello, does /etc/network/interfaces' "ssid" wifi option allow me to quote the SSID name? I have a network name with spaces in it. |
| 14:07.29 | cantido | yow: look at /etc/fstab |
| 14:07.36 | bman | any one got a clue on screen? |
| 14:07.48 | yow | jacekowski, i may put my 2 hard drives under raid1 entirely, my previous question is just for knowledge. |
| 14:07.50 | OpenTokix | Roey: Adding " around the name, does not work? |
| 14:07.57 | Roey | OpenTokix: I will try tonight |
| 14:08.01 | BlueChip | Roey: http://pastie.org/1090690 |
| 14:08.11 | Roey | OpenTokix: but I have never seen quotes there so I do not know if it'd work |
| 14:08.21 | cantido | yow: your question is more about how filesystems work in unix |
| 14:08.25 | kooll | jacekowski, stew: for what it's worth, real, current numbers from one of my servers: http://pastebin.com/BYwF0cgb (rather crappy hardware, but I can do benchmark without breaking anything) |
| 14:08.30 | cantido | yow: not really about RAID, LVM etc |
| 14:08.39 | yow | cantido, what to look in /etc/fstab? i thought it's about creating lv? |
| 14:08.48 | Roey | BlueChip, OpenTokix: Yeah, I know that wpa_supplicant.conf allows quotes |
| 14:09.05 | OpenTokix | Roey: I dont think it would be a problem, but I have been wrong before. =) |
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| 14:09.13 | Roey | BlueChip: what is the difference between specifying wpa settings through /etc/network/interfaces and through wpa_supplicant.conf? |
| 14:09.21 | cantido | yow: you add a line that tells it where /tmp should be |
| 14:09.22 | Roey | ooh meeting, brb. |
| 14:09.36 | cantido | yow: that could be a logical volume |
| 14:09.40 | bman | just installed a new lenny machine and installed screen and bash, yet when i run screen as a regular user i get a blank screen with no shell (running `screen top` however works) but running it as root drops me to a bash shell |
| 14:09.55 | BlueChip | Roey: I don't know ... what I do know is that I could not get my network to work - someone here told me to do it this way and it started working |
| 14:10.12 | yow | cantido, i thought it's about raid & lvm? as what i want to do is to put certain mount point & swap under a particular raid. |
| 14:11.05 | cantido | yow: swap is slight different.. but basically you have your root fs (which is also described in your fstab) at / and then you can mount other fs on to "mount points" on top of / |
| 14:11.28 | yow | cantido, im going to create md0 & md1 and put them under LVM, a big VG, and then i'll create swap logical volume and also a /tmp logical volume, is this correct? |
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| 14:11.40 | cantido | yow: with swap you don't mount it, the fstab line just calls the program that activates it |
| 14:12.03 | cantido | yow: ok, why do you think you need LVM? |
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| 14:12.20 | cantido | yow: do you actually need any of the features LVM has? |
| 14:12.51 | yow | cantido, yes, we don't need to mount swap, but, if md0 & md1 are both under the same VG, how can i tell the system (lvm?) to put my /tmp on md0 instead of md1? |
| 14:13.12 | jacekowski | yow: don't mix different levels in same vg |
| 14:13.18 | yow | cantido, for future expansion and probably resize of lv's |
| 14:13.26 | jacekowski | yow: because failure of raid0 part will kill whole vg |
| 14:13.38 | cantido | yow: are you using an fs that can be resized? |
| 14:13.38 | thewanderer1 | yow: get 2 separate VG's |
| 14:13.58 | jacekowski | and i would have everything at raid1 |
| 14:14.08 | jacekowski | how much memory have you got? |
| 14:14.29 | cantido | yow: you are confusing LVMS volume groups and logical volumes with unix's ability to have a "composite file hierarchy" |
| 14:14.30 | yow | thewanderer1, that's what i thought too |
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| 14:14.48 | cantido | jacekowski: swap is useful even if you have lots of memory |
| 14:15.13 | jacekowski | yeah, but i want to know how likely he is to use it |
| 14:15.40 | thewanderer1 | yow: if you can manage disk arrays and LVM in your setup, you can safely ignore the advice that it's not recommened to mix VG's on a single disk etc. |
| 14:15.41 | jacekowski | so if he has 8G of ram then swap isn't going to be used a lot and there will bo no performance impact at all |
| 14:15.49 | yow | cantido, what's the "optimum" size of swap if i have, say, 4gb, 8gb, 16gb or 32gb of RAM? |
| 14:15.58 | cantido | if he doesn't understand how the fstab etc work he should leave LVM etc alone |
| 14:16.00 | thewanderer1 | yow: there is no "optimum" |
| 14:16.01 | jacekowski | yow: depends on workload |
| 14:16.06 | cantido | yow: depends on you apps |
| 14:16.15 | jacekowski | yow: going above 4G is madness |
| 14:16.25 | jacekowski | unless you need hibernation |
| 14:16.29 | thewanderer1 | yow: I was running a 2GB machine with no swap at all, and now my server has 16GB of swap... |
| 14:16.30 | jacekowski | then swap size == ram size |
| 14:16.38 | cahoot | can always use a swapfile if needed |
| 14:16.47 | cantido | unless you have a massive JVM or something and you want to allocate a massive heap |
| 14:16.55 | thewanderer1 | the only reason I see to have swap is if you disable overcommit_memory nowadays |
| 14:17.00 | cantido | .. depends on the application ;) |
| 14:17.02 | thewanderer1 | or if you're really short of RAM |
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| 14:17.26 | thewanderer1 | cantido: overcommit is for massive heaps, not swap :D |
| 14:17.49 | thewanderer1 | and if you're gonna use that heap, you need to have it in RAM for performance reasons... |
| 14:17.51 | cantido | thewanderer1: what if you don't actually have the memory ;) |
| 14:17.58 | thewanderer1 | cantido: then you fail hard :P |
| 14:18.13 | BlueChip | cantido: I have added a wpa-essid 11:22:33:44:55:66 to my interfaces file and it has not helped :( |
| 14:18.38 | cantido | thewanderer1: if you have a very very long life application you might want to swap inactive but still need pages out to free up real memory for the active part of the application |
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| 14:18.59 | cantido | thewanderer1: it all depends on the workload/application which is why there is no single right answer |
| 14:19.16 | thewanderer1 | well yes, but still, I've covered the "normal" usage case :P |
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| 14:19.37 | karlpinc | cantido: I agree. Swap is good so the system can use the ram for disk caching. Even regular desktop apps like email clients have unused data that can swap. |
| 14:19.53 | stayb | whats the chmod command for write and read permissions for all users? isnt it chmod 777 ? cant find in man |
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| 14:20.08 | thewanderer1 | stayb: yes, chmod 0777 paths |
| 14:20.27 | BlueChip | 4=read, 2=write, 1=execute ...so read+write = 6 |
| 14:20.41 | BlueChip | directories must be executable to be useable |
| 14:20.59 | thewanderer1 | hm yeah, I always end up assigning execute bit to files to avoid differentiating between dirs and files... lazy me |
| 14:21.07 | BlueChip | first number is creator, second is group, third is "everybody" |
| 14:21.20 | thewanderer1 | "owner" not Creator :P |
| 14:21.24 | stayb | but 777 doesnt work |
| 14:21.26 | stayb | got no permissions |
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| 14:21.31 | thewanderer1 | stayb: it does work... |
| 14:21.32 | HSorgYves | i am stuck with a readonly / and an error in fstab, anyone an idea? |
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| 14:21.47 | thewanderer1 | stayb: first, remount your filesystem read-write |
| 14:21.49 | BlueChip | 777 is a decimal number ...0777 is octal ...the latter works, the former doesnt |
| 14:21.53 | stayb | thewanderer1, chmod 777 /directorie ? |
| 14:22.00 | thewanderer1 | BlueChip: no, no, no, you mixed it |
| 14:22.06 | BlueChip | ?? |
| 14:22.32 | thewanderer1 | BlueChip: both are octal (chmod interprets it this way - as string, no bash involved!), but the zero is for suid/sgid/sticky, it's the full form |
| 14:22.37 | Omahn | /window/window list |
| 14:22.42 | Omahn | #fail |
| 14:22.45 | BlueChip | ah! cheers :) |
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| 14:22.55 | thewanderer1 | stayb: mount -o remount,rw / |
| 14:23.05 | thewanderer1 | then you go with fixing fstab |
| 14:23.14 | stayb | ok now it works |
| 14:23.19 | cantido | karlpinc: yup, I wonder if there is some power saving benefit too |
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| 14:23.40 | thewanderer1 | cantido: swap usage would mean a negative benefit... |
| 14:23.48 | cantido | karlpinc: if you could free inactive pages from real memory you wouldn't need to refresh those drams |
| 14:24.11 | HSorgYves | thewanderer1: was that answer for me? |
| 14:24.39 | thewanderer1 | HSorgYves: no, not at all... O.o |
| 14:24.56 | thewanderer1 | cantido: DRAMs get refreshed all the time and it's not managed by the OS it seems |
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| 14:25.05 | cantido | thewanderer1: how much energy does writing a page to disk use opposed to refresh the ram its on thousands and thousands of times a second |
| 14:25.06 | HSorgYves | ok, you were talking about remounting read-write, that's why i was wondering |
| 14:25.29 | cantido | thewanderer1: I'm speaking hypothetically ;) |
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| 14:26.21 | thewanderer1 | cantido: hypothetical values are only "hypothetically useful", but since you can not stop the DRAM from refreshing at all, this gets even less useful :P |
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| 14:26.54 | cantido | thewanderer1: I'm pretty sure you could stop it .. memory controllers do have registers for these things |
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| 14:27.26 | thewanderer1 | for what? stopping to refresh a region? this would require you to deallocate one full chip of memory, it seems |
| 14:27.36 | thewanderer1 | you know, those blocks on the stick :P |
| 14:28.44 | thewanderer1 | Linux could have problems... well, I'm sure the badram option in conjunction with kexec could help, but then I'm not really sure that the power savings are worth it |
| 14:29.12 | Roey | BlueChip: ah, thanks! |
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| 14:29.20 | cantido | thewanderer1: depends on the machine ;) |
| 14:29.31 | HideMe | Does anyone know what wkhtmltopdf is named in Debian 5? |
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| 14:31.20 | abrotman | judd: versions wkhtmltopdf |
| 14:31.21 | judd | wkhtmltopdf -- sid: 0.9.9-1; squeeze: 0.9.9-1 |
| 14:31.21 | jpinx-eeepc | HideMe: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/wkhtmltopdf |
| 14:31.27 | abrotman | HideMe: it's not in lenny |
| 14:31.32 | BlueChip | Roey: yw |
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| 14:32.03 | jordanm | screenshot.debian.net? that looks new |
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| 14:32.18 | abrotman | been around for a bit |
| 14:32.36 | jordanm | atleast linking it from p.d.o seems new... |
| 14:33.02 | abrotman | that's been there for a bit too IIRC |
| 14:33.08 | abrotman | there was an announcement somewhere |
| 14:33.20 | thewanderer1 | oh what the hell, screenshot.debian.net is sending me tracking cookies from Google... |
| 14:33.32 | thewanderer1 | this is mad |
| 14:33.55 | yow | cantido, frankly, i have not yet fully understood /etc/fstab, and, "composite file hierarchy" is something new to me. however, i do wish to use lvm on top of raid for future expansion since it's a database server. AFAIK, the fragmentation overhead when shrinking and expanding a lv can be ignored. |
| 14:33.57 | cantido | the ballons on the BTS pissed me off |
| 14:34.18 | cantido | yow: most fs don't support shrinking |
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| 14:35.21 | yow | cantido, i've been using ext3 mostly and sometimes i use gparted to resize the partitions, adding or deleting partitions |
| 14:36.04 | cantido | yow: you can resize partitions, resizing a filesystem and keeping the data stored there is a different matter |
| 14:36.05 | yow | cantido, however, i reckon lvm is more powerful in this respect. |
| 14:36.21 | cantido | yow: lvm doesn't care about the filesystem |
| 14:37.02 | yow | cantido, i thought we need to shrink or expand a fs if we want to shrink or expand a lv? |
| 14:37.25 | cantido | yow: yes, you will need to expand the lv before growing the fs |
| 14:37.36 | yow | cantido, ic |
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| 14:37.43 | cantido | yow: and shrink it after shrinking the fs (if you fs supports that) |
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| 14:37.55 | yow | cantido, ic |
| 14:38.13 | cantido | yow: but LVM will let you shrink even if the fs inside the lv hasn't been shrunk |
| 14:38.23 | cantido | lvm doesn't automate that for you |
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| 14:38.58 | yow | cantido, would that not destroy the data in the fs? |
| 14:39.03 | cantido | exactly |
| 14:39.16 | yow | cantido, ic |
| 14:39.44 | yow | cantido, do u think ext3, ext4 or xfs is better? |
| 14:40.00 | yow | cantido, may i know what fs r u using? |
| 14:40.03 | cantido | I use ext3 for / and xfs for /home |
| 14:40.13 | yow | cantido, why? |
| 14:40.39 | innociv | Anyone familiar with monit? I can't figure out why this config doesn't work. http://pastebin.com/ryv9bDFX I tried similar for lighttpd, and lighttpd i started fine after it's killed. |
| 14:40.47 | yow | cantido, what fs do u think is good for /var/lib/mysql or /var/lib/pgsql? |
| 14:40.53 | cantido | I like xfs, but filesystems that aren't ext2 compatiable aren't as well supported by bootloaders etc |
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| 14:41.11 | yow | cantido, ic |
| 14:41.25 | abrotman | yow: unless you have a specific reason, use ext3 |
| 14:41.34 | cantido | yow: for mysql or pgsql you should really get a text box and try them out for yourself |
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| 14:42.28 | cantido | yow: booting from logical volumes can be a pain in the ass.. so keep that in mind ;) |
| 14:42.56 | thewanderer1 | GRUB2 works mostly fine on LVM |
| 14:43.11 | cantido | *mostly* |
| 14:43.43 | yow | abrotman, why? i never use fs other than ext2/ext3 but i read that xfs is fast and has less overhead in terms of disk space. |
| 14:43.46 | jelly | we've just installed lenny on a mostly lvm system. /boot isn't on lvm, / and the rest are |
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| 14:44.27 | yow | cantido, do u mean grub may not boot from lv? special care is needed? |
| 14:44.31 | cantido | jelly: I always do /boot on raid1 and then everything else in lvm |
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| 14:44.55 | yow | jelly, why not put /boot on lvm? |
| 14:45.04 | cantido | yow: support for filesystems that aren't ext2 compatiable and stuff like lvm just isn't as good |
| 14:45.10 | jelly | cantido: right, and this machine has hw raid |
| 14:45.21 | jelly | yow: more problems. |
| 14:45.29 | yow | cantido, is your lvm raid1 or raid0 underneath? |
| 14:45.30 | cantido | yow: having /boot on a raid1'ed ext3 partiont will save you lots of head ache |
| 14:45.44 | cantido | manages tens of debian machines |
| 14:45.56 | yow | cantido, ic. thx |
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| 14:47.25 | cantido | yow: this laptop doesn't have raid.. but all the machines I've setup with two disks usually have md0 - /boot, ext3, raid1; md1 - swap, raid1; md2 / ext3 or LVM, raid1 |
| 14:47.45 | cantido | s/all// |
| 14:49.18 | cantido | having you system spread over lots of smaller partitions or logical volumes can cause you headache too.. like you create a 10GB / thinking it'll be big enough for "everything I'll ever install" and allocate the remainder to /home or something.. |
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| 14:49.42 | cantido | then someone pipes 2 or 3 gig of output to a file in /tmp and fills your / up |
| 14:50.43 | pertl | what is the correct way to configure multiple ip address on one NIC? |
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| 14:52.38 | jacekowski | well, multiple addresses on one nic's are a bad idea |
| 14:53.02 | yow | cantido, do u mean we should use separate partition for /tmp to avoid any big temp file filling up our / ? |
| 14:53.09 | jacekowski | yes |
| 14:53.16 | pertl | it's a rented root server and I can't make the put another nic into the machine |
| 14:53.26 | cantido | yow: I mean you should think carefully about your layout before you commit to it |
| 14:53.33 | jacekowski | pertl: ovh? |
| 14:53.36 | pertl | jacekowski: despite being a bad idea, can it be done? |
| 14:53.44 | cantido | pertl: add an alias |
| 14:54.07 | pertl | will you end up having eth0:0 and eth0:1 or is that something different? |
| 14:54.13 | cantido | pertl: yes |
| 14:54.30 | pertl | so eth0:0 will be the primary address or the first alias? |
| 14:54.33 | yow | cantido, ic, i thought that's also the strong reason to use lvm as it allow us to adjust the size of the partitions later on? |
| 14:54.46 | cantido | pertl: um, that depends on your routes |
| 14:55.01 | pertl | it's dhcp, to make things even more complicated :-( |
| 14:55.06 | cantido | yow: yes, lvm will allow you to do that |
| 14:55.28 | pertl | the routes should be identical for all ip's |
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| 14:55.43 | cantido | yow: but you should reserve some "after thought" space, don't rely on being able to shrink your volumes |
| 14:55.47 | pertl | it's just about hosting several web apps under different ip's using different ssl certificates |
| 14:56.02 | cantido | pertl: what do you mean by "primary"? |
| 14:56.19 | pertl | primary = first address, the one I got when I rented the server |
| 14:56.31 | cantido | pertl: IIRC the traffic should go out on the same ip it came in on.. if it doesn't you can get ip tables to sort that for you |
| 14:56.34 | pertl | secondary = the additional ip I ordered lateron |
| 14:56.50 | cantido | pertl: yeah, but what is special about the primary one |
| 14:56.54 | pertl | nothing |
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| 14:57.12 | yow | cantido, will my partitions become rather fragmented and slow down the system if they are resized "too often"? |
| 14:57.22 | jacekowski | yow: no |
| 14:57.27 | cantido | pertl: when you add an alias the kernel tells the interface to take all the packets it sees and then accepts the ones it has matching addresses for.. there's nothing clever happening |
| 14:57.34 | pertl | so it doesn't matter which one is first or second, they just need to work |
| 14:57.36 | yow | jacekowski, ic, thx |
| 14:57.51 | jacekowski | yow: any extents bigger than 10M are invisible |
| 14:58.01 | jacekowski | in terms of performance |
| 14:58.15 | cantido | pertl: if it makes you feel better make your original address as eth? and then add the extras as alias |
| 14:58.37 | pertl | will I have to add something to /etc/network/interfaces or is it sufficient to add a "alias{" section to dhclient.conf? |
| 14:58.54 | cantido | pertl: the addresses are going to come in over dhcp? |
| 14:59.10 | cantido | I wouldn't rely on that working |
| 14:59.12 | yow | jacekowski, thx for the info. what do u mean by "extensions"? do u mean partitions/lv? |
| 14:59.20 | pertl | the "primary" at least... |
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| 14:59.39 | pertl | the additional one I ordered is not configured automatically by dhcp |
| 14:59.43 | cantido | pertl: add the aliases to /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 14:59.57 | cantido | pertl: iirc eth?:0 and the standard guff will do |
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| 15:00.04 | cantido | pertl: eth?:1 etc |
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| 15:00.37 | pertl | iface eth0:0 inet dhcp, iface eth0:0 inet dhcp ?? |
| 15:00.40 | pertl | like that |
| 15:00.48 | pertl | then customize dhclient.conf |
| 15:00.58 | pertl | could that possibly work |
| 15:00.59 | pertl | ? |
| 15:01.04 | cantido | make the aliases static |
| 15:01.13 | cantido | but I'm not sure how dhcp will work.. |
| 15:01.31 | jacekowski | yow: extent not extensions |
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| 15:01.33 | cantido | I'm pretty sure all the aliases will have the same mac address so stuff could get very confusing |
| 15:01.34 | pertl | guess I will try with static first, later try to get that friggin dhcp working |
| 15:01.38 | yow | jelly, sorry, i forgot to say thank you for your opinion just now. |
| 15:01.47 | cantido | or maybe that have random mac addresses? |
| 15:01.51 | cantido | forgots |
| 15:01.57 | pertl | thank you guys!! |
| 15:02.06 | cantido | pertl: if the ips don't change just make it all static |
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| 15:02.26 | pertl | ok -- thank you cantido ! |
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| 15:03.15 | yow | jacekowski, sorry for the mistake. so, is extent==disk space (partition or lv) in your previous message? |
| 15:03.29 | jacekowski | no |
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| 15:03.49 | jacekowski | it goes like physical disk -> partition -> pv -> vg -> lv |
| 15:04.00 | jacekowski | and vg is divided into extents |
| 15:04.04 | jacekowski | sort of |
| 15:04.10 | jacekowski | and extents have different size |
| 15:04.22 | AlexC_ | when creating a package to be installed to /opt - my 'docs' file specifies which documentation files to use, however these automatically get put in /usr/share/doc/package - is this correct or should the docs also be under /opt? |
| 15:04.24 | cantido | extents are then mapped to the real storage.. |
| 15:05.04 | yow | jacekowski, ooo, i know "physical disk -> partition -> pv -> vg -> lv" but i didn't know that "vg is divided into extents"! |
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| 15:05.47 | jacekowski | hmm |
| 15:05.49 | jacekowski | nvm |
| 15:05.53 | jacekowski | it's not vg it's lv |
| 15:05.59 | jacekowski | well, lv is build from extents |
| 15:06.05 | jacekowski | that are allocated on vg |
| 15:06.21 | jacekowski | if you would use vgdump i think |
| 15:06.27 | jacekowski | it would show you how is it built |
| 15:07.56 | yow | jacekowski, ok |
| 15:08.26 | yow | jacekowski, i'll try to show u later when we meet again here. |
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| 15:08.58 | cantido | yow: I think you should get a crappy box and have a play with everything |
| 15:09.12 | cantido | yow: you might find that some of it doesn't work the way you want |
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| 15:09.55 | yow | cantido, i'll start playing with an asus ts300-e6/ps4 server later or tomorrow |
| 15:10.18 | yow | cantido, probably u r right |
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| 15:10.51 | cantido | you don't want to setup everything then hit an issue 6 months later when it's in production |
| 15:11.07 | yow | cantido, i think it's an entry-level server machine, isn't it? |
| 15:11.14 | cantido | no idea |
| 15:11.31 | cantido | a vm would be good enough just to play around |
| 15:11.38 | yow | cantido, i know, that could be a disaster. |
| 15:11.52 | cantido | you can add multiple virtual disks and mess about with RAID etc |
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| 15:12.36 | yow | cantido, it's a new machine, isn't it better to experiment it on the actual server rather than on a VM? |
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| 15:13.12 | cantido | vm would be quicker to try things out I think |
| 15:13.13 | yow | cantido, there are two 500gb sata disks in it |
| 15:14.55 | yow | cantido, why? the new hardware is sitting next to me. isn't it same if i issue the same commands and follow the same steps/instructions to setup the actual server? |
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| 15:15.42 | yow | cantido, i'll need to create a vm and virtual disks if im going to experiment with a vm, say using VirtualBox. |
| 15:15.44 | cantido | you could try 3 or 4 different setups at the same time with vms ;) |
| 15:15.53 | cantido | that's why it's handy |
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| 15:16.29 | yow | cantido, ic, i get u now. |
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| 15:17.21 | yow | cantido, but im afraid i do not have the spare disk space on my laptop to do that :( |
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| 15:18.19 | yow | cantido, will see... btw, cantido, may i know what did u mean by "yow: you could probably live with /tmp on a tmpfs" early if our discussion? is a separate /tmp partition or lv considered a tmpfs? |
| 15:18.51 | cantido | yow: tmpfs is an in-memory filesystem |
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| 15:19.22 | cantido | yow: you can store files on it, but because it's in memory it doesn't survive a reboot |
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| 15:19.42 | yow | cantido, so, u meant to use a "ram disk" (plus swap) for /tmp instead of a real partition or mount point? |
| 15:19.53 | cantido | yes |
| 15:20.12 | cantido | you can use it for /tmp and for anything else that you don't care about loosing |
| 15:20.24 | cantido | s/loosing/losing/ |
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| 15:20.29 | yow | cantido, do u think it'll harm the performance of the server as i need to allocate some ram for /tmp? how much of ram should i allocate for /tmp? |
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| 15:20.53 | cantido | yow: I'm not sure, but I think it can make performance better in some situations |
| 15:21.06 | cantido | yow: disk writes are expensive |
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| 15:22.04 | cantido | yow: if /tmp is in memory those files never go to disk.. short lived files wouldn't end up getting synced to disk though |
| 15:22.24 | yow | cantido, ic. but, i was thinking to allocate about 10gb-20gb for /tmp, is it too much? |
| 15:22.32 | cantido | way too much |
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| 15:22.53 | cantido | if someone/something is putting that amount of data in /tmp you should kick them in the head |
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| 15:23.44 | yow | cantido, really? frankly, i do not know how big a typical tmp file would be for a database server, but, some pics or video streams are very big, .e.g 50mb-100mb?! |
| 15:23.45 | nsadmin | see, /tmp is erased every boot |
| 15:24.34 | yow | nsadmin, ic, thx for the info. |
| 15:24.38 | cantido | yow: a database server probably won't write much to /tmp .. it will keep everything in memory until it really needs to push it to disk |
| 15:24.40 | nsadmin | and your stream output would not necessarily come from something in /tmp |
| 15:25.03 | cantido | yow: unix sockets, lock files and small stuff like that end up in /tmp |
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| 15:25.22 | yow | nsadmin, really? can u elaborate? |
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| 15:25.59 | nsadmin | this is a database server? and something haveing to do with streaming |
| 15:26.02 | nsadmin | too? |
| 15:26.07 | yow | cantido, just as an example, videos from youtube.com are stored temporarily on /tmp |
| 15:26.32 | nsadmin | why will you use a database server to watch youtube? |
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| 15:26.44 | yow | nsadmin, it'll be a full-time and most probably a very busy database server |
| 15:26.48 | cantido | yow: watching youtube videos while doing DB admin? |
| 15:27.00 | cantido | yow: will you even have X11 on it? |
| 15:27.08 | nsadmin | then you don't want to run flash or any browser on it |
| 15:27.18 | nsadmin | browsers take A LOT of ram |
| 15:27.25 | nsadmin | and that ram is needed by the db |
| 15:27.26 | yow | nsadmin, it's just an example as i do not know what sorts of tmp files would be on a database server. |
| 15:27.45 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 15:27.49 | yow | cantido, that's a good idea ;) |
| 15:28.04 | nsadmin | so what else besides a database will be on the machine? |
| 15:28.10 | yow | cantido, no X |
| 15:28.32 | cantido | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:29.18 | yow | nsadmin, for the time being, it'll only be a database server, not email, exchange, web, ftp, etc. server. |
| 15:29.44 | yow | nsadmin, where else? |
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| 15:30.03 | yow | cantido, no X11 |
| 15:30.28 | nsadmin | so clients will connect to the db via ethernet? |
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| 15:30.46 | cantido | hopes it's SLIP |
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| 15:31.14 | nsadmin | via -slip-?! |
| 15:31.22 | nsadmin | you're a sick man :) |
| 15:31.26 | janis | hi! I installed the 32 bit binary libflashplayer on my amd64 version, but after installingall dependencieds for the equivalent *-module-pcm-pulse.so, it searches the pulse socket in my home folder. |
| 15:31.42 | AlexC_ | when creating a package to be installed to /opt - my 'docs' file specifies which documentation files to use, however these automatically get put in /usr/share/doc/package - is this correct or should the docs also be under /opt? |
| 15:31.48 | cantido | mysql at 9600 baud |
| 15:31.56 | janis | the rest of the programs correctly seek in in some /tmp/pulse-xxx/native folder. how can I chane one of the two? |
| 15:31.57 | yow | nsadmin, yes, via internet |
| 15:32.27 | cantido | janis: did you follow the workaround on the wiki? |
| 15:32.54 | nsadmin | so you'll want to make queries get the minimum data necessary, and do as much as possible per hit |
| 15:32.58 | janis | cantido, I did read some wiki, which guided me through installing the 32 bit dependencies.. |
| 15:33.10 | janis | could you provide the one you are referring to pleasE? |
| 15:33.28 | jordanm | AlexC_: I would expect also /opt. typically /opt installations are all self-contained, otherwise the installation belongs in /usr/local |
| 15:33.35 | yow | cantido, mysql at 9600 baud? is that a joke or? |
| 15:33.53 | cantido | yow: yeah, you'd want 115000 at least |
| 15:34.00 | yow | nsadmin, what do u mean? care to elaborate? |
| 15:34.14 | yow | cantido, ok :) |
| 15:34.14 | nsadmin | I don't want to talk about this... because if I were to say anything it woudl be "mysql sux, try postgres" :P |
| 15:35.24 | nsadmin | yow: first off your apps will need db connection pools... you do NOT want to be opening/closing connections a million times a day |
| 15:35.33 | janis | cantido, sorry, i didn't know there was a specific wiki, I googled my way into some ubuntu howto forum. I'll try again and then see.. thanks! |
| 15:35.34 | yow | nsadmin, frankly, the users of the system would like to use postgresql but they may have to use mysql instead, if they cannot write the necessary AP for postgresql as they r more familiar with mysql |
| 15:35.36 | AlexC_ | jordanm: I must be reading the FHS wrong then: http://proton.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#OPTADDONAPPLICATIONSOFTWAREPACKAGES http://proton.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#ETCOPTCONFIGURATIONFILESFOROPT |
| 15:36.06 | kurkale6ka | Hi, after a lh config -b usb-hdd, I can't see a binary.img... the only error I can see is /usr/bin/lh_binary_md5sum: line 52: cd: binary: No such file or directory |
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| 15:36.33 | jordanm | AlexC_: I have never seen /etc/opt used |
| 15:36.39 | yow | nsadmin, isn't how many opening/closing db connections depends on how many queries and also how many clients? |
| 15:36.49 | cantido | janis: http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer#Debian5.0.27Lenny.27amd64 |
| 15:37.07 | nsadmin | yow: not if you have pooled connections |
| 15:37.22 | janis | oh yes candido! I should use the keyword wiki :) thanks! |
| 15:37.30 | AlexC_ | jordanm: well, it's in the FHS and I'd like to make the package adhear to the standards =\ |
| 15:37.38 | nsadmin | the connections stay open all the time |
| 15:37.47 | yow | nsadmin, actually, the reason they want to try to use postgresql instead of mysql is because the former can handle more users and bigger database, is that correct? |
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| 15:38.05 | nsadmin | not sure. |
| 15:38.09 | adp_ | hi. is there a site where I can still download debian etch(4)? I need to test with that version |
| 15:38.16 | adp_ | don't see it in download links at debian site |
| 15:38.18 | adp_ | only lenny |
| 15:38.20 | nsadmin | but it sounds right to me |
| 15:38.21 | yow | nsadmin, "pool connections"? i'll check it out. |
| 15:39.20 | nsadmin | the thing is that you'll get more bang for an application server buck if you put the database server and the app server on the same box |
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| 15:39.29 | nsadmin | give it lots of ram |
| 15:39.38 | yow | nsadmin, that's why i'll have separate partition or lv for /var/lib/pgsql and /var/lib/mysql and will resize them accordingly later on. |
| 15:39.54 | yow | nsadmin, how much ram is needed? any suggestions? |
| 15:40.06 | thewanderer1 | so have you already found a way to implement MySQL quota? |
| 15:40.08 | nsadmin | depends on application\ |
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| 15:40.29 | stew | and depends on stuff like "are your tables myisam or innodb" |
| 15:40.35 | stew | and how big |
| 15:40.52 | thewanderer1 | yow: some people say it should be 128MB per client as a general rule... |
| 15:40.53 | yow | thewanderer1, not yet, is it different from the normal quota? |
| 15:41.00 | thewanderer1 | yow: er, yeah. |
| 15:41.08 | stew | mysql typically needs a bunch of tuning for the box its on and the databases it serves before it works well |
| 15:41.35 | johnr | can someone help me quickly? to host a public apache based site, what should my hostname be and what should my hosts file look like? |
| 15:41.41 | thewanderer1 | MySQL quota has been bugging me since always, as it is currently like "no quota at all" |
| 15:42.00 | nsadmin | stew: would you say the same applies to other db servers, example, pg? |
| 15:42.03 | johnr | do i need to have a hosts entry for the website domain? should that be pointed to localhost or to the ip? should my hostname matter? |
| 15:42.06 | stew | nsadmin: certainly |
| 15:42.15 | thewanderer1 | johnr: hostname and hosts file are completely irrelevant to Apache |
| 15:42.19 | stew | nsadmin: the default mysql setup is particularly wimpy |
| 15:42.40 | yow | stew & thewanderer1: wow, these are new/alien to me :( |
| 15:42.51 | stayb | is it possible to upload youtube video via shell? |
| 15:42.55 | nsadmin | meant that way so people can learn it first? |
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| 15:43.49 | jordanm | AlexC_: you can use /etc/opt, just not --prefix=/usr, needs to be at the least /usr/local |
| 15:44.20 | cantido | johnr: hosts means nothing to apache |
| 15:44.28 | jordanm | however, I would not be happy if a program dropped file in both /opt and /usr/local |
| 15:44.36 | johnr | cantido: thanks, one less thing to play with |
| 15:44.41 | cantido | johnr: you need some DNS stuff to point to the ip of the machine(s) |
| 15:45.01 | johnr | is there a likely reason why it's loading very quickly over https but dog slow over http cantido ? |
| 15:45.20 | johnr | this is a wee bit of an emengency :( |
| 15:45.37 | cantido | johnr: and if you have multiple sites you need multiple ips or tell apache to use the hostname to decide which "virtual host" to servew |
| 15:45.45 | johnr | cantido: yes, that's what i have |
| 15:45.50 | johnr | and it was working great yesterday |
| 15:46.09 | johnr | but something is amiss now, 30 second load times but no server load cantido |
| 15:46.20 | johnr | well, average server load i mean |
| 15:46.24 | cantido | johnr: I couldn't say what your problem is.. too little info |
| 15:46.51 | johnr | cantido: can i give you some more? |
| 15:46.52 | cantido | johnr: install firebug in firefox and use the net tab to see what is actually "loading slow" |
| 15:47.01 | cantido | johnr: you might find it's not even your box |
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| 15:47.30 | johnr | cantido: it's definitely the box, even loading a single image with a direct url takes forever |
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| 15:47.49 | cantido | johnr: but https is fine? |
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| 15:48.20 | johnr | correct cantido |
| 15:48.35 | johnr | and they are loading the same directory |
| 15:48.40 | yow | cantido, nsadmin & thewanderer1: thx for all your help thus far! im very grateful indeed. but, i have to go to have my dinner now as it's 23:47 here in Taiwan :( back later. ta-ra |
| 15:48.44 | cantido | johnr: https is accesing the same file, has the same config? |
| 15:48.57 | johnr | cantido: yessir |
| 15:49.03 | johnr | or ma'am |
| 15:49.27 | cantido | johnr: that's pretty weird... have you tried it from somewhere else? |
| 15:49.33 | johnr | yes cantido |
| 15:49.46 | johnr | and yes it is weird, i'm totally, totally stumped |
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| 15:49.59 | johnr | and 10000 users are totally, totally dawn |
| 15:49.59 | cantido | have you tried turning it off and back on again? |
| 15:50.02 | johnr | *down |
| 15:50.06 | johnr | cantido: apache? |
| 15:50.06 | johnr | yes |
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| 15:50.09 | johnr | multiple times |
| 15:50.11 | johnr | and the box |
| 15:50.20 | johnr | oh, a little background |
| 15:50.31 | johnr | this occured after it got hit hard and ram spiked |
| 15:50.39 | thewanderer1 | johnr: turn off sendfile, check with that turned off... |
| 15:50.39 | cantido | ok, if you fire up top and hit something on the box.. does apache float up to the top and stay there? |
| 15:50.45 | johnr | i rebooted it after that, and sys load is normal |
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| 15:51.06 | johnr | thewanderer1: is that in the virtualhost? not there if so |
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| 15:51.38 | johnr | cantido: it's getting hit hard, but apache2 comes and goes |
| 15:51.40 | johnr | as normal |
| 15:51.41 | cantido | johnr: maybe you have lots of connections happening on port 80 |
| 15:51.55 | johnr | never more than 20% or so cpu |
| 15:51.56 | cantido | johnr: https is fast because your the only one hitting it :/ |
| 15:51.58 | thewanderer1 | johnr: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/mod/core.html#enablesendfile try this, it's just my blind guess |
| 15:52.07 | jintxo | adp_, is ethc here maybe inthe archive? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
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| 15:52.15 | cantido | thewanderer1: I'd guess his config hasn't changed |
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| 15:52.18 | janis | cantido, I checked the wiki.. It did make a package with some 32bit libs, and I extracted it to see what it provides. I already have all the 32 bit libs installed (so dpkg does not let me install the unoffficial package) |
| 15:52.30 | johnr | cantido: i can guarantee that there are a lot on 80, but shouldn't that take it out on the system? |
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| 15:52.49 | cantido | johnr: you might be hitting your max connections setting |
| 15:52.56 | alcy | folks, any clue why perl modules/libs (for eg., the mime::64 decoder) when attempted to be installed from apt (libmime64-perl etc.) redirect to simply perl ? I have to CPAN shell to install them , not sure if that's the right way for doing things ? |
| 15:53.14 | cantido | johnr: which would result in your connection waiting until one becomes free |
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| 15:53.54 | janis | well, the flashversion I use is the 10.1 and it works perfect with alsa. The problem is when I choose pulse from an identical asoundrc as the one in the wiki. And the problem is it searches in the wrong place for ~/.pulse/native . (BTW, I linked it to the real /tmp/pulseXX and works perfectly!!) |
| 15:53.56 | nsadmin | alcy: what do you mean "redirect to somply perl" |
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| 15:54.50 | johnr | cantido: is that a vhost setting? |
| 15:55.02 | johnr | cat /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default | grep max |
| 15:55.04 | cantido | johnr: I think it's in the main config |
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| 15:55.05 | johnr | no hits |
| 15:55.14 | alcy | nsadmin: if I do an apt-get for a lib/modules, I get "selecting perl"...0 to upgarde/install. |
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| 15:55.48 | nsadmin | alcy: you should consider aptitude rather than apt-get |
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| 15:56.00 | nsadmin | assuming you're running lenny or later |
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| 15:56.20 | johnr | cantido: don't see anything along those lines that isn't commented out |
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| 15:57.00 | johnr | cantido: it's using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName, should i fix that? |
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| 15:57.02 | bzed | StexX: ;) |
| 15:57.06 | johnr | (just restarted) |
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| 15:57.20 | jordanm | johnr: if you want named-based vhosts to function properly |
| 15:57.21 | StexX | Hey :D |
| 15:57.50 | jordanm | or want properly functioning ssl.... |
| 15:57.52 | johnr | jordanm: so hosts file entry pointing... the public domain to the ip or to localhost ip? |
| 15:57.55 | bzed | StexX: there is #debian.de, too ;) |
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| 15:58.20 | nsadmin | alcy show the exact line you used to get it |
| 15:58.45 | thewanderer1 | johnr: if you have a static IP, you can assign a domain name to the public IP address for your host |
| 15:59.26 | johnr | thewanderer1: at the dns level you mean, yes? that has been done |
| 15:59.32 | johnr | i'm wondering about the local server config |
| 15:59.48 | johnr | it's resolving, but i was wondering if maybe my config is making it take longer to resolve |
| 16:00.48 | johnr | should i have anything at all in my hosts file other than the default? the domain? the hostname? anything? |
| 16:01.05 | johnr | i am starting to think that name resolution is the hold up |
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| 16:01.25 | johnr | although, that wouldn't explain why https is fast |
| 16:01.43 | karmic-koala | hi all, is it possible to have the email server notify your web application when emails are received so it can act on them and possibly display content of email on a webpage? |
| 16:01.44 | hagabaka | can I use a deb source package to build a package for a newer version of the same project? |
| 16:01.47 | cantido | johnr: using the ip should also be fast if that is the case |
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| 16:02.01 | alcy | nsadmin:"Note, selecting perl instead of libmime-base64-perl".."Perl is already the newest version" |
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| 16:02.29 | cantido | karmic-koala: have you webapplication check for mail.. most (web) languages have imap and pop support |
| 16:02.39 | thewanderer1 | karmic-koala: write a SMTP server to take messages and put them in MySQL so that you retrieve them. |
| 16:02.45 | nsadmin | alcy: hmm. could it be that libmime-base64-perl is installed as part of the perl package? |
| 16:02.46 | johnr | cantido: good point. It's not. |
| 16:02.49 | thewanderer1 | receiving mails from a server is for the weak |
| 16:03.12 | karmic-koala | thewanderer1, we're on google enterprise mail, is that still possible? |
| 16:03.17 | cantido | thewanderer1: yeah, so write an smtp server and deal with all that headache |
| 16:03.17 | nsadmin | what's the perl name of the module? MIME::Base64? |
| 16:03.53 | thewanderer1 | karmic-koala: "Google"? "enterprise?!" man, you got sucked in by buzzwords... but still, a redirect should be fine :P |
| 16:04.01 | thewanderer1 | cantido: working on that...! :) |
| 16:04.15 | alcy | nsadmin: Yup, that's the name. You're right, just did a dpkg -L , seems the libs are already in place. |
| 16:04.20 | karmic-koala | thewanderer1, a redirect to? sorry i don't follow |
| 16:04.50 | thewanderer1 | karmic-koala: to your mail server that you will write or get somewhere... hint: look for PHP mail server :) |
| 16:04.51 | Arrowmaster | karmic-koala: you dont actually have an email server right, it all hosted on google servers |
| 16:04.59 | cantido | thewanderer1: he hasn't said what the language is but chances are whatever it is it's standard lib has some sort of STMP server |
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| 16:05.21 | cantido | thewanderer1: hell, he could even use a proper messaging system.. |
| 16:05.29 | cantido | or ask programming questions on stackoverflow |
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| 16:05.45 | johnr | is there aaaanything else you guys can think of on this? |
| 16:05.53 | johnr | i'm seriously in deep right now |
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| 16:05.58 | nsadmin | alcy: perl -M MIME::Base64 -e1 |
| 16:06.02 | johnr | the hosts/dns thing was my last idea |
| 16:06.13 | karmic-koala | Arrowmaster, yes that's right |
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| 16:06.26 | cantido | johnr: I think it's probably you connect limits |
| 16:06.32 | karmic-koala | thewanderer1, i was actually looking in the direction of mailx and fetchmail, they any good leads? |
| 16:06.58 | thewanderer1 | karmic-koala: depends on if you want true automation and the degree of complexity you want to accept |
| 16:07.01 | cantido | johnr: or maybe some kernel variable for open sockets |
| 16:07.22 | johnr | cantido: everything "max" in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf is commented out |
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| 16:07.33 | cantido | johnr: so it's using defaults then |
| 16:07.43 | jordanm | johnr: your hosts file should contain your hostname and FQDN |
| 16:07.52 | cantido | johnr: default is something like 20 max concurrent requests |
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| 16:08.10 | stew | 150 |
| 16:08.19 | cantido | it's that high? |
| 16:08.27 | johnr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:08.41 | cantido | mmm maybe spare servers is 20 then |
| 16:09.00 | cantido | does apache use the same servers for http and https? |
| 16:09.03 | Arrowmaster | karmic-koala: youve got two options, setup something to connect to gmail and get or looking at the mail using either pop3/imap/http or setup your own mail server and have the messages be forwarded from the gmail to yours on that server, the first one will have to run at timed intervals the second one would be able to react immediately on receiving an email |
| 16:09.11 | johnr | jordanm: ok hostname and fqdn, but pointed to what ip? |
| 16:09.18 | johnr | jordanm: public? localhost? |
| 16:09.25 | cantido | Arrowmaster: google do have push events |
| 16:09.50 | jordanm | johnr: public |
| 16:09.55 | Arrowmaster | oh yeah using their http timeout trick |
| 16:10.11 | stew | jordanm: what exactly is th eproblem? |
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| 16:10.13 | Arrowmaster | still not quite push but really damn close |
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| 16:10.50 | jordanm | stew: not sure, I have only been picking up on pieces of it myself |
| 16:10.54 | johnr | thanks jordanm , should i bounce it to make sure that applies?! |
| 16:11.02 | cantido | Arrowmaster: probably "instant" enough for a web app |
| 16:11.04 | stew | jordanm: uh, i meant johnr :) |
| 16:11.48 | johnr | stew: 30+ second load times. No unusual server load. SSL loading quickly |
| 16:11.51 | Arrowmaster | i wouldnt call it a web app, since you want to be doing that server side |
| 16:12.31 | stew | johnr: try turning KeepAliveTimeout way down, to like 2, or turn keepalive off completely |
| 16:12.45 | stew | the default keepalivetimeout of 15 is way too long |
| 16:12.47 | johnr | stew: sorry, is that apache or vhost? |
| 16:12.54 | stew | apache |
| 16:13.07 | johnr | stew: also, i've been running this server all week, this is the first time the defaults have failed me |
| 16:13.17 | johnr | i don't think the load was that unusually high today |
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| 16:14.04 | johnr | stew: keepalivetimeout will just throw errors instead of allowing people to wait for the page to load right? |
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| 16:16.01 | stew | johnr: you'll get warnings in the error log, but no errors |
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| 16:16.27 | stew | johnr: having too long of a keepalive would mean that servers will wait 15 seconds for a previous client, making a new client wait |
| 16:16.29 | johnr | stew: i mean the client browser will give up |
| 16:17.02 | stew | johnr: it depends on if a server becomes available before the browser timeout |
| 16:17.19 | johnr | stew: if there was a lot of activity though, wouldn't i see it in cpu or ram? |
| 16:17.45 | stew | johnr: no, becuase most of your threads are doing nothing waiting onn the keepalivetimeout instead of actually doing something useful |
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| 16:18.30 | stew | johnr: so if you drop the keepalivetimeout, i suspect server load will go up and the site will become more responsive |
| 16:18.34 | johnr | stew: it's at 100 |
| 16:18.38 | johnr | did you say TWO? |
| 16:18.43 | stew | i said two |
| 16:19.09 | johnr | oh sorry, timeout not requests right |
| 16:19.18 | stew | yes |
| 16:19.19 | johnr | yeah that's at 15 |
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| 16:19.58 | johnr | OMFG |
| 16:20.08 | janis | cantido, thanks mate!! Fixed it!! :) it was a stale link on my home ~/.pulse .. :p |
| 16:20.18 | johnr | OMFG STEW YOU FIXED IT |
| 16:20.29 | karmic-koala | Arrowmaster, thanks for that, some one just now suggested using imaplib which sounds just right |
| 16:20.46 | thewanderer1 | johnr: you should probably increase your number of workers - keepalive is a good thing... |
| 16:21.14 | jordanm | !win stew |
| 16:21.14 | dpkg | Congratulations, stew! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 16:21.19 | johnr | OK HOLD ON a second... |
| 16:21.27 | johnr | WHY did this only become a problem today?! |
| 16:21.37 | thewanderer1 | johnr: high load? :P |
| 16:22.05 | johnr | thewanderer1: shouldn't have been THAT much higher though, and it definitely should have tapered down after 8:00am |
| 16:22.13 | johnr | remember, i've been running this thing 3 days |
| 16:22.29 | jordanm | took the botnets 3 days to find it |
| 16:22.30 | johnr | i just need to understand so i can tell my boss wtf happened |
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| 16:24.42 | johnr | ok what is this about workers vs keepalive? |
| 16:25.09 | johnr | i just want to make sure i have the best possible config to prevent this in the future |
| 16:25.26 | johnr | in case you can't tell, i've never admin'd a high traffic site before ;) |
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| 16:26.33 | thewanderer1 | keep-alive is a feature of HTTP/1.1 which keeps a worker busy serving one socket... |
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| 16:27.04 | thewanderer1 | it's supposed to speed up client requests by avoiding the overhead of TCP 3-WHS |
| 16:27.56 | thewanderer1 | in general, you want as many workers as you can hold on your system, and after you figure that out, find the max value of keep-alive timeout that works |
| 16:28.27 | thewanderer1 | well, are you running a high-traffic site on your own? i.e. no vhosting/untrusted customers? |
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| 16:28.38 | johnr | thewanderer1: what's the impact on the system from a lot of workers? cpu? ram? both? |
| 16:28.48 | johnr | thewanderer1: it's hosted here, at our school district |
| 16:29.01 | johnr | it's on a pretty fat pipe, and on a vm with lots of power |
| 16:29.02 | thewanderer1 | johnr: RAM and scheduling overhead, mainly |
| 16:29.14 | thewanderer1 | johnr: but do you run 1 site or multiple sites on this server? |
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| 16:29.32 | thewanderer1 | (in terms of UID/GID) |
| 16:29.37 | johnr | thewanderer1: 1 wordpress install with 250 sites |
| 16:29.49 | thewanderer1 | pages or sites? |
| 16:29.54 | johnr | SITES :O |
| 16:30.02 | johnr | divided into 30 networks |
| 16:30.04 | johnr | it's a beast |
| 16:30.08 | thewanderer1 | do you run this under just 1 UID? |
| 16:30.22 | johnr | sorry, what does that mean? |
| 16:30.43 | thewanderer1 | what user do you run Apache as? www-data, or is every site hosted under a different user? |
| 16:31.08 | thewanderer1 | (suphp? anything similar?) |
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| 16:32.16 | johnr | apache runs as www-data |
| 16:32.24 | johnr | there is 1 apache vhost |
| 16:32.31 | johnr | and then wordpress takes over from there |
| 16:32.35 | thewanderer1 | hm, ok |
| 16:32.35 | stew | the big problem with increasing MaxClients instead of lowering KeepAliveTimeout is the amount of additional ram you might need, afaik |
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| 16:32.44 | thewanderer1 | the big problem is Apache, you know |
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| 16:32.56 | thewanderer1 | almost no big sites use Apache anymore - lighttpd is *fast* |
| 16:33.25 | jordanm | thewanderer1: http://news.netcraft.com/ |
| 16:33.39 | johnr | thewanderer1: that's really good to know, but i just got this up 2 days ago after 6 months of work... not going to migrate it to a different httpd right off the bat ;) |
| 16:34.04 | thewanderer1 | jordanm: most popular webserver does not mean the server hosting high-traffic sites |
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| 16:34.05 | jordanm | thewanderer1: according to netcraft, that is the least popular choice (although does not differentiate "big sites") |
| 16:34.22 | thewanderer1 | jordanm: that's what I mean - YouTube and Wikipedia are on lighttpd... |
| 16:34.23 | jordanm | even nginx is 10 times more popular |
| 16:34.37 | johnr | wait, before this dissolves into a webserver flamewar... |
| 16:34.38 | johnr | ;) |
| 16:34.51 | johnr | WHAT ELSE can i take a look at to make sure i'm tuned for capacity? |
| 16:35.01 | thewanderer1 | er... PHP |
| 16:35.04 | johnr | because before today i'd never HEARD of KeepAliveTimeout |
| 16:35.15 | thewanderer1 | you probably need to tune PHP |
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| 16:36.01 | johnr | thewanderer1: any suggestions or resources to refer to? |
| 16:36.15 | thewanderer1 | not really, I'm not a good tuner... just look at the config file |
| 16:36.19 | johnr | ok |
| 16:36.26 | johnr | and i think this is my last question but... |
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| 16:36.27 | ksk | hello guys |
| 16:36.37 | johnr | if the only issue was KeepAliveTimeout, why didn't reboots fix it? |
| 16:36.44 | wooden | will udev rules be evaluated before any scripts in /etc/init.d? |
| 16:36.44 | johnr | because requests were coming in too fast? |
| 16:36.55 | thewanderer1 | johnr: most probably yes |
| 16:36.55 | johnr | and old requests were blocking new ones? |
| 16:37.08 | johnr | am i understanding that correctly? |
| 16:37.17 | thewanderer1 | yes |
| 16:37.21 | ksk | im playing with smartmontools/smartctl atm. if i do "smartctl -a $device" ill always get about 5 pre-fail values - are there any hdds not showing up this prefails? |
| 16:37.27 | thewanderer1 | browsers are rather stubborn - they will retry until they get a timeout |
| 16:37.29 | ksk | tried it on 4 machines so far... |
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| 16:38.00 | thewanderer1 | ksk: why would you want any machine to not show important values? :P |
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| 16:38.12 | thewanderer1 | "pre-fail" does not actually mean "gonna break soon" |
| 16:38.25 | hydra | ksk: try smarctl -t short /dev/x |
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| 16:38.29 | hydra | then check results |
| 16:38.41 | johnr | so i'll look into more workers vs lower timeouts and my php config |
| 16:38.48 | johnr | is there anything else that should be on my radar? |
| 16:39.10 | thewanderer1 | general Linux tweaking |
| 16:39.18 | johnr | can i ask you, too, stew ^? |
| 16:39.28 | thewanderer1 | this is covered in a multitude of places around the Internet |
| 16:39.38 | ksk | okay, thanks. |
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| 16:40.07 | johnr | thewanderer1: yeah... but there is a lot of stuff on the internet, and i don't have to tell you it's not all quality ;) |
| 16:40.37 | thewanderer1 | can recall something called Ubunto which confirms the assumption |
| 16:40.58 | johnr | heh |
| 16:41.14 | thewanderer1 | johnr: google for "c10k problem" stuff |
| 16:41.40 | thewanderer1 | it seems pretty relevant - oh, and by the way, lighttpd uses epoll() when possible, as described in the problem :) |
| 16:42.05 | johnr | doesn't know what that means... |
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| 16:42.39 | thewanderer1 | just read that c10k stuff |
| 16:42.46 | johnr | haha ok will do |
| 16:43.03 | johnr | THANK YOU ALL for your help |
| 16:43.04 | Dmanzi | hi #debian |
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| 16:43.37 | johnr | i was in here, #httpd, #wordpress and a webdev channel, and i should have known... YOU GUYS are all i need ;) |
| 16:44.33 | johnr | thanks thewanderer1, jordanm, stew |
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| 16:46.49 | honschu | Hi, what is the best filesystem for usb-harddrives? I'll use them as a backup-drive attached to a small home-nas. So it would be nice if there were not that many write operations so that the harddrive can spin down. |
| 16:47.21 | thewanderer1 | honschu: use a normal filesystem, just umount it when not in use |
| 16:47.40 | thewanderer1 | honschu: or if you don't give a crap about performance, use ZFS - it's good for backups |
| 16:47.58 | jordanm | I have found many usb drives will spin-down even while still mounted... cause them to throw i/o errors if not remounted |
| 16:48.21 | ksk | but how to get to now if its "gonna break soon" if i cant look at prefail? |
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| 16:49.04 | thewanderer1 | jordanm: hmm, strange - my laptop's SSD does just that after an S3 resume... but I have no method of remounting as 'mount' is a binary which is not accessible when I get i/o errors :P |
| 16:49.05 | ksk | the selftest didnt change anything |
| 16:49.09 | honschu | thewanderer1: I can't unmount it, because then I would have to script a lot for nfs, samba and all that stuff. ZFS for Linux? I think I'll have to stick to ext2. |
| 16:49.21 | thewanderer1 | honschu: why not ext4? |
| 16:49.35 | thewanderer1 | honschu: besides, I'm using ZFS on 3 servers now - it runs fine for me |
| 16:49.56 | jordanm | thewanderer1: because lenny suport for it is very sub-optimal? |
| 16:49.56 | honschu | thewanderer1: ext4 does have a journal and writes every minute or so data to the disk -> unable to spin down |
| 16:50.10 | Grey_Loki | So i've got a fresh install of squeeze sat on my computer. Debian obviously installs with no X system present, so i'm trying to use console tools to enable and load the drivers for my Asus wl-167g USB wireless dongle. However, it seems that modprobe also isn't installed? I just want to load rt73usb so that I can get on my wireless network and start getting some packages down the pipe. What docs should I be reading to get to |
| 16:50.24 | honschu | thewanderer1: I use debian squeeze on this arml device. |
| 16:50.43 | thewanderer1 | honschu: if journalled file systems did writes every minute, there would be no disk power saving on laptops at all, I think... |
| 16:51.11 | thewanderer1 | you can set the write intervals somewhere |
| 16:51.15 | honschu | thewanderer1: So when does ext4 write the journal? |
| 16:51.33 | thewanderer1 | when there is something to write... |
| 16:51.42 | honschu | thewanderer1: Are you sure? |
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| 16:52.02 | thewanderer1 | no, I'm not, but I cannot imagine a scenario in which it would write nothing |
| 16:52.04 | Grey_Loki | Hum, nevermind - seems that they're only accessible from within the root account. |
| 16:52.04 | jordanm | honschu: I am sure that my ext3 usb drive spins down on its own |
| 16:52.22 | jordanm | Grey_Loki: that is because /sbin is not in a user's path |
| 16:52.30 | thewanderer1 | honschu: and ZFS should be fine on squeeze |
| 16:52.37 | jordanm | !tell Grey_Loki about rt73usb |
| 16:52.59 | jordanm | Grey_Loki: you should never need to manually modprobe drivers, you just lack firmware.\ |
| 16:54.13 | stayb | i want to share my printer. My printer is installed on my debian machine via cups. So what must i tip in the "path = ..: " part in smb.conf? the cups location? ( Location: usb:/dev/usb/lp0 ) |
| 16:54.40 | thewanderer1 | stayb: just share all printers |
| 16:55.05 | cahoot | stayb: windows clients? |
| 16:55.22 | stayb | y windows clients which will connect to the printer |
| 16:55.25 | stayb | share for all |
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| 16:55.42 | cahoot | stayb: windows knows about cups now |
| 16:55.44 | jordanm | why not use IPP? |
| 16:56.21 | thewanderer1 | cahoot: windows doesn't know about CUPS, but supports IPP, unless I'm missing something |
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| 16:56.36 | stayb | cahoot, so i must only install the printer on the win clients and what as location path? |
| 16:56.42 | jordanm | thewanderer1: supports IPP and LPD |
| 16:56.52 | cahoot | thewanderer1: whatever you call it |
| 16:57.38 | stayb | IPP = Induratio Penis plastical - sry^^ |
| 16:58.05 | stayb | you got a IPP tutorial for me? |
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| 16:59.53 | cahoot | http://bsdpants.blogspot.com/2008/01/printing-from-windows-to-cups.html |
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| 17:02.42 | Grey_Loki | jordanm: then I think i'm in a catch-22 situation - I only have wireless access to the internet, and thus need to be on wireless in order to get the firmware...to get on wireless? Or am I missing something? Quite new to Debian |
| 17:02.47 | Grey_Loki | smiles |
| 17:03.15 | thewanderer1 | Grey_Loki: don't you have another machine in there? |
| 17:03.31 | Grey_Loki | thewanderer1: I have the one i'm using at the moment - a windows laptop |
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| 17:04.12 | thewanderer1 | Grey_Loki: just download the needed firmware, put it on a pendrive/cd-rom/diskette/toast and load it into your Debian machine |
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| 17:05.03 | thewanderer1 | or network them together with a cable, get bridging or routing working, and access the net this way |
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| 17:05.49 | honschu | thewanderer1: What kind of boot options are you using for the ext3 usb-partition? |
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| 17:06.38 | Dmanzi | how can i completely remove a programm ? |
| 17:06.49 | thewanderer1 | honschu: boot options? I don't boot from USB... I thought you wanted to put backups on there |
| 17:07.05 | honschu | thewanderer1: Sry, I mean mount-options ;) |
| 17:07.15 | thewanderer1 | noatime,nodiratime,acl |
| 17:07.25 | cahoot | Dmanzi: try aptitude purge <prog> |
| 17:07.38 | Dmanzi | thx |
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| 17:09.21 | honschu | thewanderer1: Thanks. Why do you use acl? |
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| 17:10.10 | thewanderer1 | honschu: because I often find myself limited by UNIX permissions, and that's where I need ACL |
| 17:10.58 | honschu | thewanderer1: Would you use a software raid with two usb-devices (raid 1 - mirror) to make the backup more safe? Or would you just use rsync? |
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| 17:11.31 | honschu | thewanderer1: Do you know if it's possible to mount a single drive even if it was in a raid1 ? |
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| 17:11.49 | thewanderer1 | it is possible to mount it, but you'll have to rebuild the RAID some time later |
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| 17:12.19 | thewanderer1 | I would not use RAID at all with USB, and for backups, I use either ZFS now or faubackup to ext3/ext4 local disks - the capacities of USB disks are not enough for their price for me |
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| 17:13.58 | starenka | hi, i've installed squeeze on my eee netbook. i got a small problem during boot it says it has found a new usb device and hangs for minute or two. the resumes booting. i don't know how to debug it or even solve it. it seems the problem is a "card reader", removing the "blind card" speeds up the hangup, but it's still a pain in the **se. thanks for hints |
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| 17:14.48 | superlinux | hi. I have a pdf document sent to me . this document contains scanned text pages. I want to convert it to Word format |
| 17:15.00 | superlinux | so what should I do? |
| 17:15.23 | starenka | superlinux: there are cli programs, or use OOservice from cli or GUI |
| 17:15.47 | superlinux | ok |
| 17:15.53 | superlinux | let me check |
| 17:15.53 | rgr | superlinux: you should google "convert pdf to word". its new but its good. |
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| 17:16.10 | starenka | superlinux: OO works in mist cases |
| 17:16.16 | starenka | s/mist/most |
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| 17:16.28 | rgr | but you need to decide whether you want oo or not. depends on the quality of course. |
| 17:16.32 | superlinux | ok |
| 17:16.38 | rgr | ocr rather |
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| 17:17.15 | superlinux | ok. thanks. the pages look like fax pages |
| 17:17.26 | starenka | superlinux: oh sorry mate, i've read you need word->pdf |
| 17:17.26 | crosvera | Hello people, anyone from Debian-med or Debichem? |
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| 17:17.27 | datacrusher | i wanna install rsyslog-relp on my debian 64 machine, but i dont have it on the repos, anyone suggests where to get it? |
| 17:17.35 | superlinux | that's my dad. he asked me to convert it for him |
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| 17:17.47 | superlinux | convert from PDF to word |
| 17:18.08 | starenka | depends if you need text or just the images :) |
| 17:18.09 | superlinux | starenka, that would be easy |
| 17:18.28 | superlinux | no images at all |
| 17:18.30 | starenka | yep, i was wondering why are you asking for such thing :)) |
| 17:18.33 | superlinux | I want no images at all |
| 17:18.46 | thewanderer1 | superlinux: OCR is very difficult to do now, especially if your text is non-English |
| 17:18.58 | superlinux | just english bro |
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| 17:19.11 | starenka | superlinux: can't google docs ocr it? |
| 17:19.12 | zinx | you can try tesseract |
| 17:19.15 | superlinux | nothing arabic in techie stuff |
| 17:19.24 | superlinux | donno |
| 17:19.36 | starenka | maybe worh a try |
| 17:19.46 | thewanderer1 | hint: gscan2pdf can load up a PDF and apply OCR on it |
| 17:19.54 | superlinux | i just at least want to transform the pdf pages to tiff format then OCR |
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| 17:20.08 | superlinux | ok cool! |
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| 17:21.16 | Tas_ | out of redhat, suse, solaris, and gentoo, which OS would be most similar to Debian when it comes to init.d shell scripts? |
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| 17:23.10 | SlayerXP | tas: all of them are equally dissimilar |
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| 17:24.01 | thewanderer1 | Tas_: gentoo doesn't use init scripts anymore, I haven't seen Solaris in a long time, and SuSE uses LOTS of YaST/sysconfig hooks in its scripts, while RedHat is a commercial pile I'm not going to touch, but it presumably works similar to SuSE |
| 17:24.23 | thewanderer1 | Tas_: write your own script please... |
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| 17:26.27 | Tas_ | thanks, thewanderer1 |
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| 17:39.36 | barroca | how do i get .deb package license? RPM packages has a field that contains the license name, does .deb package have the same? thanks. |
| 17:40.13 | stew | barroca: file .deb will contain a file: usr/share/doc/packagename/copyright |
| 17:40.57 | jordanm | barroca: you would have to unpack the deb |
| 17:41.11 | crosvera | does anybody tried to install pdb2pqr on debian? |
| 17:41.11 | stew | barroca: RPM packages are just telling you one of maybe many licenses the software might be covered by, we want to explicity list all licenses |
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| 17:42.43 | barroca | stew: thanks. |
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| 17:43.00 | barroca | jordanm: i have the system installed. |
| 17:43.20 | jhutchins_lt | (Note that RPM's will often include supplemental licensing information in the .../doc/... folders. |
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| 17:44.19 | barroca | stew: We are have some licenssing problems with our software and we need to explicit lista all licenses of all packages installed. |
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| 17:44.40 | jordanm | barroca: there is the licensecheck utility |
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| 17:45.07 | barroca | jhutchins_lt: yes, but the LICENSE field of RPM may have a list of licenses... |
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| 17:46.39 | atula | does anyone in here physically live in France right now? I need help with a quick test. |
| 17:47.10 | barroca | jordanm: licensecheck may be usefull, thanks |
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| 17:50.01 | Cisien_laptop | I am having problems loading debian from a USB cd drive, The installer doesn't find the cd drive (or usb hard drive/usb stick, if i try that route)...any ideas? |
| 17:50.06 | euth | what is the difference between conffile md5 sums stored in /var/lib/dpkg/info and /var/lib/dpkg/status? |
| 17:50.07 | stew | barroca: if you ever discover that licensecheck is finding licenses not listed in debian's copyright file, PLEASE file a bug |
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| 17:51.01 | jordanm | stew: would that be an RC bug even if the undocumented license is free? |
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| 17:51.35 | stew | jordanm: absolutely, severity serious due to policy 12.5 |
| 17:52.00 | jordanm | stew: ah, thanks |
| 17:52.12 | barroca | stew: just found 2 packages that didn't work, licensecheck /usr/share/doc/zip/copyright returned UNKNOWN and licensecheck /usr/share/doc/openoffice-calc/copyright also returned UNKNOWN. |
| 17:52.34 | barroca | stew: i'm not sure if i'm using it correctly. |
| 17:52.43 | Cisien_laptop | has anyone ever tried installing from a usb cd drive? |
| 17:53.05 | thewanderer1 | Cisien_laptop: yeah... |
| 17:53.18 | stew | barroca: no, if you had the source, you'd run "licensecheck /path/to/source" |
| 17:53.19 | thewanderer1 | for me, it was no different than just normal CD install |
| 17:53.26 | Cisien_laptop | the installer isn't finding my usb dvd drive |
| 17:53.28 | jordanm | barroca: licensecheck (as indicated by the manpage) is for running against the source files |
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| 17:53.39 | barroca | shame on me. :-P |
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| 17:53.46 | Cisien_laptop | it boots, loads the installer, then dies mid-install |
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| 17:54.01 | Cisien_laptop | when looking for the drive |
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| 17:54.24 | barroca | for some packages it works. like gnome-desktop-data |
| 17:55.22 | barroca | anyway. i think i should parse the copyright files by hand. maybe it could be a feature of .deb packages, a field that indicates the licenses.. |
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| 17:56.25 | jonrafkind | im trying to make a jail that I can run apt-get inside of, I have dpkg installed, how can I install apt-get through dpkg? |
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| 17:56.49 | superlinux | do you know any closed source application for OCR (optical character recognition) ? |
| 17:57.10 | jordanm | jonrafkind: take the easy route and use debootstrap to create the chroot environment |
| 17:57.20 | stew | barroca: people are working on a proposal to make a parseable copyright file |
| 17:57.25 | jonrafkind | yea I saw that.. for various reasons I cant use debootstrap |
| 17:57.30 | jonrafkind | is the apt-get .deb file available somewhere? |
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| 17:57.55 | jordanm | jonrafkind: why is that? |
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| 17:58.27 | jonrafkind | im using makejail to create the jail because i have other scripts already set up to use it |
| 17:58.31 | barroca | stew: wher i can find that proposal? maybe i could help some way... :-) |
| 17:59.00 | stew | barroca: http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep5/ |
| 17:59.13 | jordanm | jonrafkind: packages.debian.org |
| 17:59.31 | stew | if it gets adopted, it will make my job of checking copyright files harder not easier, unfortunately |
| 18:00.09 | abrotman | You should quit in a huff! |
| 18:01.06 | jonrafkind | ok got it, thanks |
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| 18:02.38 | barroca | stew: thanks. |
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| 18:04.42 | jeffrin | hello all |
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| 18:05.17 | jeffrin | how to change background colour of a video |
| 18:05.39 | jeffrin | i mean like video editing |
| 18:06.20 | jordanm | jeffrin: aptitude search ~dvideo~dedit ? |
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| 18:07.35 | jacekowski | adobe after effects or adobe premiere |
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| 18:08.08 | thewanderer1 | jacekowski: this is not very helpful... well, Adobe is not helpful on Linux at all :P |
| 18:08.27 | jacekowski | well these are the best programs on the market |
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| 18:10.40 | jhutchins_lt | jeffrin: That's a pretty advanced process to attempt. |
| 18:11.07 | jhutchins_lt | jeffrin: Figure you're going to have to do patern recognition and re-rendering of each frame. |
| 18:11.23 | jhutchins_lt | jeffrin: I know it can be done, but I don't know what tools might do it. |
| 18:11.37 | jhutchins_lt | jeffrin: blender? Some video-enhanced gimp? |
| 18:12.18 | jhutchins_lt | jacekowski: Funny, I haven't seen any studios using adobe products to produce films lately. |
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| 18:12.48 | jacekowski | jhutchins_lt: what are they using at the moment? |
| 18:13.43 | abrotman | jeffrin: i've been told kdenlive is pretty nice |
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| 18:13.54 | jeffrin | thanks all |
| 18:14.08 | abrotman | though i'm not sure it's full abilities have been yet realized! |
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| 18:14.46 | jhutchins_lt | jacekowski: Not sure of the details, but the render farms all run linux. |
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| 18:15.19 | jacekowski | jhutchins_lt: links |
| 18:15.25 | jacekowski | pics or didn't happen |
| 18:15.42 | jhutchins_lt | jacekowski: Read a frickin' newspaper once in a while. |
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| 18:16.21 | abrotman | Many of the big houses use linux for the render farm, not sure about the front end design tools (though Maya runs on Linux, obviously Blender too) |
| 18:16.26 | jhutchins_lt | jacekowski: If you're interested in what software movie studios use, go look it up. Wired had a feature on Pixar a couple issues ago. |
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| 18:17.11 | CodeNinja | how can I fix a 'Stale NFS Filehandle' ? I got it when moving a file over to a usb drive on my laptop, had to pause, when I came back, thats what I got |
| 18:17.16 | roler | I know once you upgrade your apt sources to testing, you can't easily downgrade all of the updated packages. but if I set it back to stable, eventually once stable catches up my server will start updating it's packages again right? |
| 18:18.14 | cahoot | jacekowski: here's one http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9653 |
| 18:18.19 | thewanderer1 | CodeNinja: umount and mount again - and if you were moving... hm. never do 'mv' over NFS... |
| 18:18.25 | thewanderer1 | data will sometimes be lost. |
| 18:18.33 | luminoso | where is "let" on bash on debian sid? |
| 18:18.50 | CodeNinja | thewanderer1: already unmount/remounted |
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| 18:18.53 | karmic-koala | hi all quick one, do i have to login for samba to start or does it have the same run level as apache (so works without loggingin) |
| 18:19.14 | CodeNinja | also, how does it qualify as NFS? It was from my laptop to a usb enclosure on my laptop, |
| 18:19.46 | CodeNinja | thewanderer1: the original file still exists too |
| 18:20.16 | craigevil | jacekowski: http://www.linuxmovies.org/software.html http://digitalcontentproducer.com/dcc/revfeat/video_linux_hollywood/ |
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| 18:20.48 | anisfarhana | Hello again. |
| 18:20.56 | jordanm | karmic-koala: init scripts are executed at the appropriate run levels and do not require a user to login |
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| 18:21.04 | cahoot | jacekowski: heard of Avatar? |
| 18:21.20 | anisfarhana | I google about squid web-based control panel and all i found is paid one , can somebody advise me on 'free' web-based control panel for squid in debian ? |
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| 18:22.01 | karmic-koala | Jordanm, thanks for that, puts my mind at ease :) |
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| 18:22.34 | jhutchins_lt | roler: That's not how it works. |
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| 18:23.04 | jordanm | roler: stable will *never* catch up to anything |
| 18:23.29 | roler | jordanm: even on the next release? |
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| 18:23.50 | CodeNinja | roler: if you want the latest stuff, upgrade to squeeze/sid |
| 18:23.53 | jordanm | roler: yes, but then it will be a new release |
| 18:23.56 | jhutchins_lt | roler: Debian does incremental releases. |
| 18:23.58 | spacepluk | hi, is anybody using a damned mac? Mine is breaking every time I update grub. I just can't get my head around the whole refit/gpt thing... any help please? |
| 18:24.02 | jordanm | CodeNinja: don't suggest that to people |
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| 18:24.08 | jhutchins_lt | roler: In Gentoo, stable eventually catches up, but not Debian. |
| 18:24.12 | stew | roler: but you don't want to use "stable" in sources.list, ever. use the release name |
| 18:24.16 | CodeNinja | jordanm: why? |
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| 18:24.33 | jhutchins_lt | roler: Once a release is frozen, as squeeze is now, it's not supposed to have new packages except for bugfixes and security updates. |
| 18:24.40 | stew | CodeNinja: because sid is meant for people that don't need to ask these questions |
| 18:24.48 | CodeNinja | facepalm |
| 18:24.48 | jhutchins_lt | roler: Support for it will eventually be discontinued, as it has been for etch. |
| 18:24.58 | jordanm | CodeNinja: because thats exactly what backports are for |
| 18:25.24 | jhutchins_lt | spacepluk: Why are you having to update the bootloader? |
| 18:25.33 | roler | i see |
| 18:25.38 | CodeNinja | jordanm: sorry, most things I need havent been in backports, so I'm kinda eh-ish about backports :\ |
| 18:25.48 | CodeNinja | s/need/needed/ |
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| 18:26.17 | jhutchins_lt | roler: The "sid" repositories are constantly being updated with new packages, but we KNOW that sid is going to be broken periodically. |
| 18:26.40 | spacepluk | jhutching_it: actually I didn't need to. but sometimes I just don't see grub in the list when I'm updating. I guess I should put a hold on it... |
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| 18:27.06 | jhutchins_lt | spacepluk: Probably. I thought current versions of grub could boot on mac hardware. |
| 18:27.17 | jordanm | CodeNinja: packages can be backported manually, but it is not always possible without an upgrade. I do not recommend that upgrade unless I am sure that the scenerio (and typically only for required hardware support) is the case. definatly not "if you want newer stuff" |
| 18:28.25 | spacepluk | jhutchins_lt: I think the can but for some reason It always breaks, do you know if this is up to date? http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook |
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| 18:29.14 | strk | is there a way to know which sources contained an installed pachage ? (apt sources.list...) |
| 18:29.52 | jhutchins_lt | spacepluk: No updates since 2009, which is when I last worked with mini's. |
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| 18:30.21 | streuner | apt-cache policy <package> |
| 18:30.24 | nsadmin | strk: you mean you have a source and you want to know if at least one package is installed on it? |
| 18:30.42 | nsadmin | s/on it/from it/ |
| 18:30.51 | nsadmin | OR |
| 18:31.14 | jhutchins_lt | spacepluk: I worked with CentOS 4 and found that if I used the latest grub it worked. |
| 18:31.19 | jhutchins_lt | spacepluk: refit was a nightmare. |
| 18:31.32 | nsadmin | do you want to check which source a known-to-be-installed package came from? |
| 18:31.43 | jhutchins_lt | spacepluk: I never did get a dual-boot system. |
| 18:34.29 | spacepluk | jhutchins_lt: I've read that with grub-efi you don't get 3d acceleration. Is it still true? |
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| 18:35.29 | spacepluk | jhutchins_lt: can you still boot osx with that setup? I've some apps my girlfriend needs... |
| 18:35.40 | spacepluk | needs to buy a real computer |
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| 18:35.51 | Akuw | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:36.01 | Akuw | http://www.pastebin.ca/1925262 |
| 18:36.17 | Akuw | abrotman: can you help me with a cups problem? |
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| 18:36.36 | abrotman | nope, don't own a printer, SAVE THE PLANET! |
| 18:36.58 | cahoot | Akuw: cups keeps logs in /var/log - might be worth looking at |
| 18:37.32 | strk | nsadmin: the second one (where does a known-to-be-installed package came from) |
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| 18:38.12 | nsadmin | oh ok, "<streuner> apt-cache policy <package>" |
| 18:39.49 | streuner | nsadmin: yeah, i thought that was he need |
| 18:40.20 | streuner | dunno, didnt unterstand his question much |
| 18:41.16 | streuner | Akuw: cups problems just sucks |
| 18:41.30 | Akuw | E [25/Aug/2010:14:12:21 -04-30] CUPS-Add-Modify-Printer: Unauthorized |
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| 18:41.42 | streuner | Akuw: if its working you are fine, but dont ask if you have a problem... |
| 18:41.54 | Akuw | last line when i try to ad a printer, but the rare thing is the printer is added |
| 18:41.54 | streuner | Akuw: stable? |
| 18:42.04 | Akuw | yes |
| 18:42.19 | Akuw | what else can i use to print? |
| 18:42.22 | streuner | well, its a configure thingie, mostly |
| 18:42.52 | streuner | the printer is supported? |
| 18:43.08 | Akuw | yes |
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| 18:43.23 | Akuw | i installed months ago in another computerç |
| 18:44.03 | streuner | just configure it again |
| 18:44.09 | jhutchins_lt | spacepluk: I'd go by that page you linked, it's more current than I am. |
| 18:45.00 | spacepluk | jhutchins_lt: thank you, I'll try to fix it one more time :) |
| 18:45.08 | streuner | Akuw: via http://localhost:631/ |
| 18:45.38 | Akuw | yes |
| 18:45.48 | Akuw | i am using localhost:631 |
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| 18:48.44 | cahoot | Akuw: the page.log confirms a job was sent? |
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| 18:49.33 | streuner | Akuw: check also /var/log/syslog/messages about |
| 18:50.00 | streuner | Akuw: does the the kernel.log notice about the printer... |
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| 18:50.52 | streuner | Akuw: some log should show you about the printer in the log, otherwise something else is wrong |
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| 18:52.48 | konr | Guys, how can I figure out why any mail sending operation (including "mail" from the command line) is taking several minutes on my server? |
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| 18:54.04 | jordanm | konr: what smtp daemon? |
| 18:54.28 | nsadmin | konr: some kind of antispam? find some logs to tail while you send |
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| 18:54.54 | nsadmin | and also answer jordanm's q |
| 18:54.59 | konr | jordanm: sendmail |
| 18:55.11 | nsadmin | wow... |
| 18:55.29 | nsadmin | are you running a dns server on that box? |
| 18:55.30 | jordanm | nsadmin: what? |
| 18:55.35 | jordanm | is a sendmail administrator |
| 18:55.45 | streuner | omg |
| 18:55.54 | nsadmin | I was once |
| 18:55.57 | debiantonio | what? |
| 18:56.04 | nsadmin | yeah! |
| 18:56.09 | stew | i thought you had to go to a museum to see one of those |
| 18:56.13 | konr | nsadmin: nope |
| 18:56.16 | jordanm | konr: check /var/log/maillog for errors and etc |
| 18:56.19 | streuner | stew: lol |
| 18:56.37 | jordanm | sendmail is still the default MTA for RHEL. my work has been using it since SCO UNIX days |
| 18:56.59 | konr | haha |
| 18:56.59 | streuner | stew: there are some guys who know about... |
| 18:57.04 | konr | should I be using another one? |
| 18:57.06 | nsadmin | stew: you mean since most sendmail admins were embalmed and placed in a pyramid? |
| 18:57.14 | jordanm | hehe |
| 18:57.29 | fxiny | sendmail is installed by default in freebsd |
| 18:57.41 | streuner | dpkg, listkeys sendmail |
| 18:57.42 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'sendmail' by key (7): sendmail update #DEL# ;; _default sendmail ;; #debian sendmail ;; sendmail ;; sendmail-tip ;; be sendmail barbie ;; _default sendmail rant. |
| 18:57.52 | streuner | dpkg, sendmail barbie |
| 18:57.52 | dpkg | no idea, streuner |
| 18:57.56 | streuner | fuck |
| 18:58.01 | nsadmin | !be sendmail barbie |
| 18:58.01 | dpkg | But sendmail is soooooo hard! :`( Ken, call me a waaaaahbulance *cry* |
| 18:58.06 | streuner | ah |
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| 18:58.19 | jordanm | konr: sendmail isn't nearly as popular as it was in its glory days (the 1990s) |
| 18:58.22 | nsadmin | yue forgot the bee |
| 18:58.25 | SlayerXP | sendmail is a very useful piece of software |
| 18:58.38 | streuner | if you know what you doing, sure |
| 18:58.39 | nsadmin | very flexible |
| 18:58.43 | SlayerXP | anyone doubting that exim is the most useful MTA can simply be forced to use sendmail for a few months. |
| 18:58.58 | streuner | dpkg, start an MTA war |
| 18:58.58 | dpkg | qmail rulez! |
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| 18:59.02 | streuner | hah |
| 18:59.13 | nsadmin | so just a sec. |
| 18:59.20 | streuner | great, another PITA |
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| 18:59.39 | Akuw | any other way to configure printers? |
| 18:59.39 | jordanm | some of the "war" commands are in bad need of updating |
| 18:59.45 | nsadmin | konr, did you use the m4 macros to configure it? |
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| 18:59.55 | streuner | Akuw: using CUPS? nah |
| 18:59.56 | jordanm | Akuw: as an alternative to what? |
| 19:00.11 | SlayerXP | i mean, it's just plain obvious what "R$* < @ $* .$m. > $*$#smtp $@ $2.$m. $: $1 < @ $2.$m. > $3" does, right? |
| 19:00.17 | streuner | Akuw: you can use some GNOME thingie, but its terrible... |
| 19:00.22 | jordanm | Akuw: yes, there is also system-config-printer |
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| 19:00.31 | Akuw | hummm |
| 19:00.31 | streuner | forget that |
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| 19:00.43 | Akuw | i have to fix cups |
| 19:00.44 | jordanm | Akuw: there is also "lpadmin" from the command line |
| 19:00.46 | konr | nsadmin: I didn't actually configure it - just installed from apt-get... Apparently I found out what was happening - my domain wasn't set as 127.0.0.1 at /etc/hosts |
| 19:01.03 | jhutchins_lt | <rimshot> |
| 19:01.30 | nsadmin | how is sendmail configured out of the box? |
| 19:01.38 | streuner | lol |
| 19:01.52 | jordanm | I would imagine not an open relay otb anymore |
| 19:01.52 | streuner | dpkg, slap nsadmin |
| 19:01.52 | dpkg | strikes a resounding *THWAP* across nsadmin's face |
| 19:01.54 | jordanm | hopefully... |
| 19:01.57 | nsadmin | konr: did you have to answer a buncha questions? |
| 19:02.11 | konr | nsadmin: none, actually, haha |
| 19:02.33 | nsadmin | without being configured, it can't run, so there must be something |
| 19:02.42 | jelly-home | nsadmin: depends on which box you take it out of. |
| 19:02.54 | nsadmin | oh, so you didn't get asked any questions on install |
| 19:02.57 | nsadmin | so again, |
| 19:03.02 | jordanm | nsadmin: exim4 runs without configuration on standard systems |
| 19:03.16 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: I think the debian package forwards mail from the localhost only. |
| 19:03.33 | nsadmin | so it needs a smarthost? |
| 19:03.54 | nsadmin | wait, so if it forwards from localhost, |
| 19:04.00 | jelly-home | jordanm: A usable default setup? Who'd have thought of that! |
| 19:04.01 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: Not sure if it defaults to a smarthost or direct delivery - the latter would require the least customization. |
| 19:04.34 | nsadmin | that means if someone runs mailx, sendmail gets it, finds the mx for the domain and talks to that machine |
| 19:04.37 | nsadmin | right? |
| 19:04.59 | streuner | Akuw: as we said before, check out your logs |
| 19:05.43 | streuner | Akuw: (if the kernel regonise your printer, its a configure thingie) |
| 19:06.07 | streuner | Akuw: (if the kernel doesnt, you just check out the cable) |
| 19:06.31 | jhutchins_lt | Um, kernels don't know squat about printers. |
| 19:07.20 | streuner | jhutchins_lt: its stable he using... |
| 19:07.29 | streuner | and the printer is supported... |
| 19:07.29 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: I'm not entirely sure what it does for Debian, but yea, if you feed it a message for n@domain.com, it finds the mx for domain.com and contacts it directly. |
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| 19:08.13 | jhutchins_lt | Akuw: It looked like you said you had a permissions error on adding the printer. Is that correct? Did you have to give root's password? |
| 19:08.15 | streuner | so, if he cannot configure it, its just a cable thingie |
| 19:08.39 | streuner | he should be able to answer that :-) |
| 19:09.34 | streuner | he was already in that menu... |
| 19:09.48 | streuner | but the whole configure thingie just sucked |
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| 19:10.08 | nsadmin | jhutchins_lt: which would make that sendmail a smarthost functionally? |
| 19:10.17 | jordanm | the gui provided by HP is really nice IMO |
| 19:10.30 | streuner | yeah |
| 19:10.38 | streuner | they did a good job |
| 19:10.50 | LordVorp | is there a 'service' or 'svc' or similar alias to restart services in deb? or is sudo /etc/init.d/servicename <start|stop> the recommended way? |
| 19:10.51 | streuner | plenty of nice tools |
| 19:10.53 | jordanm | in main too, so it should be free |
| 19:10.53 | jelly-home | nsadmin: this is a case of TIAS. |
| 19:11.06 | jordanm | LordVorp: invoke-rc.d |
| 19:11.15 | LordVorp | jordanm: thanks. |
| 19:11.32 | jordanm | LordVorp: service is available from some other package |
| 19:11.43 | nsadmin | konr, so did fixing /etc/hosts solve the problem? |
| 19:11.44 | jordanm | LordVorp: apt-file search bin/service |
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| 19:11.58 | LordVorp | jordanm: k, will do |
| 19:12.03 | konr | nsadmin: yes! changing a single line |
| 19:12.52 | Akuw | jhutchins_lt: yes |
| 19:12.57 | nsadmin | LordVorp: or invoke-rc.d <service> (start|stop|reload|restart) |
| 19:13.13 | streuner | jordanm: right, plenty of tools which give a user to check out everything... |
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| 19:13.42 | nsadmin | konr: excellent... so we know approximately what sendmail is configured to do on debian based on your experience |
| 19:13.55 | streuner | jordanm: but, in many cases just udev just sucks sometimes |
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| 19:14.30 | nsadmin | konr: also, congratulations for pinpointing the problem |
| 19:14.30 | streuner | jordanm: or just the kernel |
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| 19:20.48 | yardleydobon | wicd will never connect the first time after a reboot, but connects on the second or third retry. This happens on every router I've tried. I'm using the b43 driver. How can I figure out what is causing this? |
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| 19:22.03 | cahoot | yardleydobon: what do you mean by 'retry' |
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| 19:22.32 | yardleydobon | cahoot: Hitting connect again. |
| 19:22.40 | qwd | I just did aptitude safe-upgrade on Squeeze and it told me "The following packages are RECOMMENDED but will NOT be installed: apt-xapian-index firmware-linux-free lockfile-progs software-properties-gtk" Why are they recommended? Is there a way I can install all recommended packages now? Why would I want to do it? Why wouldn't I? |
| 19:23.20 | abrotman | do a full-upgrade |
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| 19:24.00 | qwd | abrotman: No packages were installed or upgraded. |
| 19:24.15 | abrotman | qwd: did you set it to not install recomemnds in your apt.conf ? |
| 19:24.16 | cahoot | yardleydobon: checked dmesg for complaints ? |
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| 19:24.59 | nsadmin | qwd: you would install a package if you find it useful... but even if you do find it useful, you would not if you were short on disk space |
| 19:25.31 | qwd | abrotman: I haven't done any changes to apt.conf |
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| 19:25.51 | nsadmin | qwd: determine the relationship between packages that are being installed and packages that the being-installed packages recommend |
| 19:25.52 | zanux | hi all! |
| 19:26.06 | abrotman | qwd: that doesn't answer my question |
| 19:26.15 | fahad_ | hi, is it possible to view release notes with aptitude? |
| 19:26.42 | nsadmin | on debian as a whole? no, those are on the web site |
| 19:26.50 | streuner | fahad_: release notes? |
| 19:27.04 | streuner | changes, yes, |
| 19:27.27 | qwd | abrotman: it doesn't? afaik I haven't made any changes so assumed that means I didn't set it to anything at all and am using whatever the default is. |
| 19:27.31 | fahad_ | streuner: ie if I'm upgrading a package what the developers say they changed |
| 19:27.41 | jordanm | fahad_: its called a "changelog", try searching the aptitude man for it |
| 19:27.50 | jordanm | fahad_: you may also be interested in apt-listbugs |
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| 19:28.24 | fahad_ | jordanm: cheers! |
| 19:28.43 | yardleydobon | cahoot: Nothing stands out. Do you want to look at the output in #flood? |
| 19:29.01 | cahoot | yardleydobon: a pastebin rather |
| 19:29.04 | streuner | there is a package about changelog? |
| 19:29.26 | qwd | Nice, I never knew aptitude could show the changelog! |
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| 19:29.49 | streuner | !list apt-changelogs |
| 19:30.21 | jordanm | ,info libparse-debianchangelog-perl |
| 19:30.23 | judd | libparse-debianchangelog-perl (perl, optional): parse Debian changelogs and output them in other formats. Version: 1.1.1-2; Size: 58.0k; Installed: 252k |
| 19:30.28 | streuner | !list apt-listchanges |
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| 19:30.55 | streuner | !info apt-listchanges |
| 19:30.55 | jordanm | ,info apt-listchanges |
| 19:30.56 | judd | apt-listchanges (utils, optional): package change history notification tool. Version: 2.83; Size: 76.8k; Installed: 264k |
| 19:31.04 | jordanm | streuner: wrong bot? |
| 19:31.15 | streuner | wait |
| 19:31.20 | Enverex | I've been searching for a while but I'm only finding the (now dead) uShare and FUPPES software. Does anyone know of any working UPNP server software? |
| 19:31.29 | dpkg | apt-listchanges: (package change history notification tool), section utils, is standard. Version: 2.85.3 (sid), Packaged size: 82 kB, Installed size: 280 kB |
| 19:31.31 | nsadmin | both bots will do it but dpkg is really slow |
| 19:31.43 | yardleydobon | cahoot: http://pastebin.org/768345 |
| 19:31.45 | streuner | fahad_: apt-listchanges, just install it |
| 19:32.17 | thewanderer1 | Enverex: gupnp? |
| 19:32.40 | jordanm | my aptitude search shows linux-igd |
| 19:33.49 | thewanderer1 | Enverex: see what is used by DD-WRT |
| 19:34.19 | Enverex | thewanderer1, uShare apparently but that's been dead for some time |
| 19:34.30 | thewanderer1 | then gupnp |
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| 19:34.39 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 19:34.43 | lenswipe | you know the espeak package? |
| 19:34.51 | lenswipe | anyone know where i can download new voices? |
| 19:34.57 | streuner | !info espeak |
| 19:35.00 | dpkg | espeak: (A multi-lingual software speech synthesizer), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.43.03-2 (sid), Packaged size: 66 kB, Installed size: 248 kB |
| 19:35.12 | lenswipe | im thinking the GLaDOS voice would be awesome if i can find it |
| 19:35.14 | fahad_ | streuner: what's the benefit of apt-changes compared to aptitude changelog? |
| 19:35.29 | cahoot | yardleydobon: seems it keeps reloading the firmware |
| 19:35.42 | streuner | fahad_: good question, i know only apt-get |
| 19:35.46 | Enverex | lenswipe, That's just a woman's voice run through a synth afaik |
| 19:36.11 | lenswipe | Enverex, i guess |
| 19:36.17 | Enverex | Although the iPhone's voice with a bit of effect added could be close... |
| 19:36.31 | streuner | fahad_: but both should just list you changelogs |
| 19:36.39 | qwd | nsadmin: thanks, at first I didn't really know how to do that but I checked the manual and found "aptitude why", that and an "aptitude show" afterwards helps in understanding why the package is recommended |
| 19:37.00 | lenswipe | Enverex, im looking at festival right now |
| 19:37.07 | streuner | fahad_: in doubt i would just use packages.debian.org/<package> |
| 19:37.14 | nsadmin | qwd: yes and even an "aptitude why not" |
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| 19:37.52 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: The description (aptitude show espeak) should list a web site. |
| 19:37.59 | thewanderer1 | bah, "aptitude changelog" is not in the manpage :( |
| 19:38.03 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: or search freshmeat or sourceforge. |
| 19:38.08 | jordanm | thewanderer1: yes it is |
| 19:38.15 | thewanderer1 | jordanm: not in mine... |
| 19:38.17 | fahad_ | streuner: cheers, well I already have aptitude installed and am with it.I'll stick :) thanks for your help |
| 19:38.28 | fahad_ | thewanderer1: it is in mine |
| 19:38.38 | jordanm | thewanderer1: what version of debian? |
| 19:38.40 | thewanderer1 | hm, so this is just the translation lagging behind |
| 19:38.42 | thewanderer1 | Squeeze/Sid |
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| 19:39.25 | jordanm | thewanderer1: I would say translation, I just checked my testing and it is there as well |
| 19:39.31 | thewanderer1 | but apparently in LANG=C it is in the manpage |
| 19:39.38 | fahad_ | thewanderer1: running squeeze in UK English |
| 19:39.45 | jordanm | thewanderer1: feel free to patch |
| 19:41.10 | thewanderer1 | sure |
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| 19:42.48 | thewanderer1 | what is the recommended security solution now on Debian? SELinux? grsecurity? TOMOYO? what works? the wiki seems to give hardly any info on this |
| 19:43.13 | rgr | security solution for what? |
| 19:43.20 | thewanderer1 | for mitigating admin errors :P |
| 19:43.37 | thewanderer1 | (isn't this what SELinux and other guys are for?) |
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| 19:46.07 | jordanm | thewanderer1: admin errors? no. SELinux attempts to mitigate the threat of 0 days vulnerabilities |
| 19:46.50 | jordanm | last I checked, debian SELinux policies were in bad need of love |
| 19:47.00 | thewanderer1 | jordanm: hm, okay, so programming and admin errors it is, then |
| 19:47.11 | jordanm | eg. lacks a policy to function properly with the default MTA, exim4 |
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| 19:47.25 | thewanderer1 | hm, I don't give a crap about exim4... |
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| 19:47.40 | jordanm | thewanderer1: I still wouldn't say admin errors... unless the admin's error was not installing those security upgrades |
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| 19:48.03 | thewanderer1 | hm yeah, mostly |
| 19:48.40 | jordanm | the theory is that someone uses a 0 day vulnerability to comprimise a service. SELinux mitigates it by allowing that exploited service a minimal ammount of privs, less than the user itself |
| 19:49.21 | jordanm | thewanderer1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_access_control |
| 19:49.43 | thewanderer1 | ok, so how hard is it to write a working config for this? |
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| 19:50.36 | lenswipe | guys im having issues using festival |
| 19:50.43 | lenswipe | i get Linux: cant open /dev/dsp |
| 19:50.53 | lenswipe | robert@samba:~$ echo "Its such a beautiful day, why are you infront of the computer?" | festival --tts |
| 19:50.53 | lenswipe | Linux: can't open /dev/dsp |
| 19:51.10 | streuner | samba? |
| 19:51.16 | stew | lenswipe: modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 19:51.19 | lenswipe | streuner, the name of the machine |
| 19:51.27 | thewanderer1 | lenswipe: something took your sound device hostage... |
| 19:51.32 | lenswipe | stew, modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 19:51.41 | lenswipe | thewanderer1, it would seem that way O_O |
| 19:51.52 | stew | lenswipe: does /dev/dsp exist? |
| 19:51.57 | lenswipe | idk |
| 19:52.03 | stew | lenswipe: check? |
| 19:52.19 | lenswipe | how? |
| 19:52.22 | lenswipe | cd /dev/dsp? |
| 19:52.45 | lenswipe | robert@samba:~$ cd /dev/dsp |
| 19:52.45 | lenswipe | bash: cd: /dev/dsp: No such file or directory |
| 19:53.00 | streuner | dpkg, listkeys dsp |
| 19:53.02 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'dsp' by key (15 of 19): #debian /dev/dsp ;; #debian dsp ;; #debian overfiendsphallus ;; 666 dsp ;; _default /dev/dsp ;; _default dsp ;; _default esddsp ;; _default overfiendsphallus ;; bindsploit ;; dsp ;; dspam ;; esddsp ;; handspring ;; ladspa ;; overfiendsphallus. |
| 19:53.13 | stew | lenswipe: does /dev/snd exist? |
| 19:53.15 | jordanm | thewanderer1: /dev/dsp in OSS |
| 19:53.28 | stew | lenswipe: if so then "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" as root |
| 19:53.38 | lenswipe | stew, /dev/snd does indeed exit |
| 19:53.39 | streuner | sounds like a soundsystem problem |
| 19:53.48 | lenswipe | i can use VLC and stuff |
| 19:54.02 | lenswipe | i just ran modprobe snd-pcm-oss and it didnt return anything |
| 19:54.04 | lenswipe | is this normal? |
| 19:54.12 | stew | yes |
| 19:54.12 | thewanderer1 | lenswipe: yes, it should not echo |
| 19:54.19 | lenswipe | yay that seemed to fix it |
| 19:54.25 | streuner | (if its already installed) |
| 19:54.26 | jordanm | many commands do not have output from a successful run |
| 19:54.52 | thewanderer1 | I've heard someone describing it as "UNIX being humble"... |
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| 19:55.18 | stew | lenswipe: you might add snd-pcm-oss to /etc/modules |
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| 19:55.27 | stew | thought probably there is some better way to handle that these days |
| 19:55.29 | lenswipe | stew, why? |
| 19:55.48 | jordanm | so you don't have to manually modprobe it everytime the machine reboots |
| 19:55.55 | cahoot | what program did complain? lenswipe |
| 19:56.09 | thewanderer1 | lenswipe: OSS is dead, you should use an ALSA wrapper... something like alsa-oss (aoss?) |
| 19:56.29 | streuner | OSS4 working like a charm ;-) |
| 19:56.43 | sed` | How can I "fake" a dependency? This one package depends on WINE but I've got a custom version in /usr/local/ already. |
| 19:56.46 | stew | thewanderer1: what are the benefits to alsa-oss over just modprobe snd-pcm-oss ? |
| 19:56.48 | lenswipe | cahoot, festival |
| 19:56.48 | thewanderer1 | streuner, not until it finds its way into Debian :P |
| 19:56.57 | stew | sed`: /msg dpkg equivs |
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| 19:57.00 | thewanderer1 | stew: a leaner kernel is a better kernel |
| 19:57.03 | sed` | stew: thank you |
| 19:57.10 | streuner | thewanderer1: wrong, OSS4 is in Debian |
| 19:57.17 | cahoot | lenswipe: festival can't output to alsa directly? |
| 19:57.22 | stew | thewanderer1: oh yeah? |
| 19:57.38 | thewanderer1 | streuner, how? |
| 19:57.54 | streuner | thewanderer1: iam using OSS4 acutally in unstable |
| 19:58.03 | lenswipe | cahoot, idk - you pipe text to it and it speaks it, thats all i know |
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| 19:58.15 | stew | judd: versions oss4-base |
| 19:58.16 | thewanderer1 | streuner, but the kernel has to support it, right? |
| 19:58.16 | judd | oss4-base -- sid: 4.2-build2003-1; squeeze: 4.2-build2003-1 |
| 19:58.42 | streuner | thewanderer1: nah, debian just makes modules for it |
| 19:58.51 | stew | judd: info oss4-dkms |
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| 19:58.52 | judd | No record of package 'oss4-dkms' in lenny/i386. |
| 19:58.57 | stew | judd: info oss4-dkms sid |
| 19:58.59 | judd | oss4-dkms (kernel, optional): Open Sound System - DKMS module sources. Version: 4.2-build2003-1; Size: 1006.4k; Installed: 5228k |
| 19:59.04 | streuner | yeah |
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| 19:59.36 | thewanderer1 | ah-ha |
| 19:59.40 | streuner | it creates just modules for every new kernel |
| 19:59.40 | cahoot | lenswipe: read here, seems you can make festival use native alsa: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Festival |
| 19:59.45 | LordVorp | ok next question: how do I get crontab -e to show up in vim instead of nano? |
| 19:59.47 | thewanderer1 | I know DKMS |
| 19:59.51 | streuner | ok |
| 19:59.55 | lenswipe | cahoot, meaning what? |
| 19:59.56 | thewanderer1 | LordVorp: export EDITOR=vim |
| 20:00.03 | jordanm | LordVorp: set EDITOR or update-alternatives --config editor |
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| 20:00.33 | LordVorp | i'm getting 404 on update-alternatives |
| 20:00.47 | LordVorp | (is that a lenny thing? I think this system is etch) |
| 20:00.47 | jordanm | 404? as in http not found? |
| 20:00.48 | cahoot | lenswipe: theoretically less problems with more than one soundapp prdoucing sound simultaneous |
| 20:01.00 | LordVorp | jordanm: I *meant*, command not found, sorry |
| 20:01.01 | jordanm | LordVorp: are you root? |
| 20:01.03 | Gijs | people how is it possible that my sFTP is slow? |
| 20:01.05 | thewanderer1 | LordVorp: if you're on etch, you're living in the past... |
| 20:01.19 | thewanderer1 | Gijs: 1. slow client 2. slow link 3. CPU bottleneck |
| 20:01.19 | jordanm | LordVorp: update-alternatives is system-wide, so it requires root |
| 20:01.33 | lenswipe | cahoot, ah rigt |
| 20:01.36 | LordVorp | jordanm: yeah, being root helped |
| 20:01.36 | Gijs | explain 1,2,3 please :$ |
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| 20:01.59 | streuner | Gijs: give us more details |
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| 20:02.28 | cahoot | lenswipe: seems like a harmless change where one makes festival use aplay to output sound |
| 20:02.28 | Gijs | well i am using a php sftp plugin (no this is a server problem not php) |
| 20:02.36 | Nadav | apt-get is basicly like executing a file in windows right? ( a packged file that is) |
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| 20:02.40 | Gijs | and i use it on like 5 more debian servers and they work amazing fast |
| 20:02.43 | thewanderer1 | Gijs: what link are you on? |
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| 20:02.48 | Gijs | link? |
| 20:02.50 | stew | Nadav: no? |
| 20:03.09 | thewanderer1 | Gijs: as in physical data transfer and practical data rates |
| 20:03.24 | Gijs | on a other dedicated server in germany |
| 20:03.37 | Gijs | the server where i got problems on is also in germany bt |
| 20:03.38 | Gijs | w |
| 20:04.00 | thewanderer1 | have you checked that it's not a bandwidth problem? |
| 20:04.22 | Gijs | well no but why would it be a bandwidth problem, if the servers works amazing ? |
| 20:04.50 | thewanderer1 | Gijs: because you are getting this problem with just 1 server and you don't know what the reason is |
| 20:04.53 | jordanm | Gijs: sftp requires encryption which can be CPU intensive |
| 20:05.03 | Nadav | ? |
| 20:05.08 | Nadav | what is it `-` |
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| 20:05.43 | Gijs | well thewander that php plugin also supports ssh2, wich is also very slow |
| 20:05.49 | jordanm | its known as a dash or hyphen |
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| 20:06.09 | Gijs | and some php scripts with sftp even crash if i am using sftp |
| 20:06.26 | Gijs | i heard something about dns reverse that it can be the problem but i am not sure and how i can check that |
| 20:07.10 | jordanm | Gijs: dig -t PTR <ip of server> |
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| 20:07.42 | thewanderer1 | Gijs: first, check sftp outside PHP |
| 20:07.48 | Gijs | how? |
| 20:08.09 | jordanm | using the sftp client of your choice |
| 20:08.17 | jordanm | filezilla is a good multi-platform example |
| 20:09.01 | Gijs | i see |
| 20:09.03 | Gijs | works like crap |
| 20:09.21 | Gijs | if i connect with WinSftp to the server it doesnt even connect |
| 20:09.27 | thewanderer1 | ,info netperf |
| 20:09.28 | judd | netperf (non-free/net, optional): Network performance benchmark. Version: 2.4.4-5; Size: 368.6k; Installed: 756k; Homepage: http://www.netperf.org/ |
| 20:09.29 | Gijs | and returns a timeout |
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| 20:09.55 | jordanm | Gijs: I am really betting on a network issue |
| 20:10.04 | thewanderer1 | try a network benchmark |
| 20:10.09 | Gijs | how? |
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| 20:10.17 | thewanderer1 | I would recommend netperf but it's flagged as non-free... |
| 20:10.29 | jordanm | download a file with netcat? |
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| 20:10.53 | thewanderer1 | Gijs: fire up a small HTTP server on the target host (you can use a web server in bash if you want) and do some timings |
| 20:11.18 | thewanderer1 | jordanm: it seems that wget would do as a better timing tool than netcat in this case |
| 20:11.28 | Gijs | it already has appache running |
| 20:11.34 | Gijs | the target host |
| 20:11.36 | thewanderer1 | Gijs: good, then benchmark that |
| 20:11.52 | Gijs | can you please explain that "then benchmark that" ? |
| 20:12.14 | stew | Gijs: your sftp connections are slow to connect? or slow to transfer once connected? |
| 20:12.16 | thewanderer1 | wget http://target.tld/largefile.ext and wget will tell you the download time when finished |
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| 20:13.18 | Gijs | it needs to be a big file? |
| 20:14.07 | Gijs | cause i tried just a small index.html and it downloads normally |
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| 20:14.38 | thewanderer1 | Gijs: for reliable timings, try 100MB or so |
| 20:14.47 | Gijs | ok |
| 20:14.48 | Gijs | hold on |
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| 20:14.51 | thewanderer1 | guys, where did the BlueZ wiki go? |
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| 20:15.09 | NoReflex | hello! anyone here with squid skills and a few minutes? :D |
| 20:15.32 | streuner | sounds like #squid |
| 20:15.57 | streuner | #squid 68 Don't ask to ask, just ask and wait. Paste squid.conf at http://paste.lisp.org/new/squid if need be. | Or try http://wiki.squid-cache.org/SquidFaq | http://workaround.org/f=squid | Please upgrade to Squid-2.7.STABLE9 or Squid-3.1.7 |
| 20:16.05 | NoReflex | streuner, indeed it does but tried there about half and hour ago and still nothing |
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| 20:16.22 | streuner | so be patient :-P |
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| 20:18.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | damn, what program prints scancodes again? |
| 20:18.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | xkeycaps only if you select the correct kbd |
| 20:18.35 | stew | you mean xev? |
| 20:18.52 | stew | NoReflex: did you actually ask a question? if you are running debian, you might try that here |
| 20:18.52 | thewanderer1 | CutMeOwnThroat: showkey -s ? |
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| 20:19.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, I did! |
| 20:19.10 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: There's a #bluez here, but it's in transition, bluez itself is deprecated and a dummy package; have not been able to find any current docs (even current for Lenny). |
| 20:19.24 | thewanderer1 | err, so what is the current bluetooth stack now? |
| 20:19.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | thanks |
| 20:19.36 | jhutchins_lt | CutMeOwnThroat: xev? |
| 20:19.45 | thewanderer1 | and how am I supposed to connect a bluetooth headset to ALSA? |
| 20:19.58 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Like I said, no docs, but it's just "bluetooth". |
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| 20:20.40 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Also kdebluetooth/kbluetooth is deprecated with KDE3, and the equivalent applet for KDE4 did not make the squeeze freeze. |
| 20:21.17 | thewanderer1 | I know, KDE doesn't seem to work anymore in many areas, but... hmm... what is the bluetooth stack in Debian now? O.o |
| 20:21.31 | Justin | thewanderer1: pulsaaudio makes that kinda thing easy |
| 20:21.34 | NoReflex | stew, I'm running Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 with squid3. I've setup squid as a reverse proxy and as far as I can tell it works but I need help with some options (basically access rules based on mime type and referer header and TTL adjustment) |
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| 20:22.01 | Justin | NoReflex: that might be a better question for a mailing list or channel dedicated to squid |
| 20:22.05 | thewanderer1 | Justin: sure, but I have to get some kind of bluetooth here first... |
| 20:23.01 | Justin | try bluez + bluez-alsa |
| 20:23.20 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions bluetooth |
| 20:23.21 | judd | bluetooth -- etch: 3.7-1; lenny: 3.36-3; lenny-backports: 4.60-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.66-1; sid: 4.69-1 |
| 20:23.24 | thewanderer1 | Justin: I've just been told that BlueZ is deprecated O.o |
| 20:23.29 | thewanderer1 | is confused now |
| 20:23.51 | Justin | got me, it's what ubuntu comes with too |
| 20:23.54 | thewanderer1 | but bluetooth package depends on bluez... |
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| 20:26.22 | NoReflex | Justin, I tried the squid channel but so far no help. as streuner suggested /me - patient |
| 20:27.03 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Look at the content of bluez. |
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| 20:28.38 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: what do you mean? bluetoothd, hcitool, some other usual stuff... |
| 20:28.55 | atomx | how can I display all files from a package installed by apt-get/dpkg ? |
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| 20:29.22 | Jumpie | hey guys |
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| 20:29.40 | thewanderer1 | atomx: dpkg -L $packagename |
| 20:29.41 | Jumpie | just did what seemed to be a perfectly fine debian 5.1 install, installed grub on mbr, etc, reboot, shows no bootable devices |
| 20:29.42 | atomx | dpkg: please change your name, because it highlights the browser too often in debian channel |
| 20:29.42 | dpkg | atomx: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 20:29.45 | Jumpie | am i missing something? |
| 20:29.51 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Ok, well, different day, different rules, you're right. |
| 20:29.53 | Jumpie | i don teven get a grub menu or anything |
| 20:30.12 | Jumpie | i had the same issue with and without a /boot partition |
| 20:30.24 | atomx | thewanderer1: haha. dpkg is a bot ? |
| 20:30.26 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: you scared the crap out of me for a moment :P |
| 20:30.29 | thewanderer1 | atomx: yes |
| 20:30.32 | atomx | thewanderer1: thank you |
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| 20:30.55 | atomx | dpkg: -L qt4-demos |
| 20:30.55 | dpkg | No packages found matching qt4-demos |
| 20:30.58 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Last time I looked at it, it was a "transitional package" and the only things in it were five files in .../doc |
| 20:31.00 | atomx | dpkg: -L qt4 |
| 20:31.00 | dpkg | No packages found matching qt4 |
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| 20:31.07 | atomx | ya, a bot... |
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| 20:31.36 | peterrooney | atomx: dpkg has an astounding array of factoids. for a start, try /msg dpkg listkeys $somekeyword |
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| 20:31.59 | thewanderer1 | atomx: er, not here... you were supposed to issue `dpkg -L $packagename` in your shell :P |
| 20:32.04 | handy1 | i hate debian..what a crappy piece of shit |
| 20:32.19 | Jumpie | im now agreeing its my least fave linux |
| 20:32.20 | Jumpie | :/ |
| 20:32.25 | Jumpie | i never have had these issues |
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| 20:33.13 | jordanm | Jumpie: 5.1? |
| 20:33.16 | atomx | /msg peterrooney <dpkg> Factoid search of 'qt' by key (15 of 19): #debian qtparted ;; _default qt |
| 20:33.17 | atomx | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:33.17 | atomx | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:33.17 | atomx | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:33.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins_lt, yes, thanks - stew already had it |
| 20:33.39 | Tas_ | I have a process that I would like to kill via an init script, it shows up as 'ruby /opt/puppet-dashboard/script/server -d' but I cannot single out that process with the pidof command, eg: 'pidof *puppet-dashboard*' does anyone have any pointers as to how to fix this? |
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| 20:33.41 | Jumpie | i cant remember if its 5.1 or 5.05 |
| 20:33.50 | thewanderer1 | Jumpie: exactly what shows the error message? have you set your partition to be bootable? |
| 20:33.59 | jordanm | Jumpie: 5.0.5 is the current version, 5.0.6 next week IIRC |
| 20:34.09 | atomx | peterrooney: i did what you did, and I showed you the message, |
| 20:34.10 | jhutchins_lt | Tas_: ps ax | grep puppet |
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| 20:34.13 | Jumpie | i dont recall that option even being availbale |
| 20:34.23 | Jumpie | i'd really like to not have to start my install over |
| 20:34.31 | atomx | I do not have time to play with the bot now, sorry |
| 20:34.32 | Jumpie | cant i just fix it? the error is no bootable drives present |
| 20:34.39 | jordanm | Jumpie: you can setup a partition as bootable in the manual partitioning, but should not be required |
| 20:34.42 | thewanderer1 | Tas_: to live without side effects, you have to grep for the whole line or just make a pidfile for this |
| 20:34.44 | jordanm | !tell Jumpie about reinstall grub |
| 20:35.03 | thewanderer1 | Jumpie: how did you create your partitions? |
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| 20:35.23 | Jumpie | my standard way, 40gb / 40gb /usr 40gb /var 20gb /tmp 4gb swap, remainder /home |
| 20:35.38 | Jumpie | installed grub on mbr...dont remember an option to set bootable, figured it was assumed heh |
| 20:35.51 | jordanm | 40gb is a really big / with a dedicated /usr and /var |
| 20:35.52 | thewanderer1 | so you did manual partitioning and you didn't set boot flag on root partition (/) :P |
| 20:35.59 | jordanm | thewanderer1: not required |
| 20:36.00 | Jumpie | thewanderer1 i think ou're right :D |
| 20:36.01 | Tas_ | jhutchins: that will show me the pid, yeah- but it wont always be the same. I'm trying to script this :/ can grep strip the first few numbers out of there? |
| 20:36.18 | thewanderer1 | jordanm: last time I forgot to do this my server wouldn't boot... |
| 20:36.23 | Jumpie | the problem is, im not gettin any prompt, its more of a system message "no bootable device -- insert boot disk and press any key" |
| 20:36.30 | stew | Jumpie: if you have grub on mbr you can ignore the bootable flag |
| 20:36.34 | Jumpie | and for some odd reason, its refusing to boot off the cd so i can do it again |
| 20:36.38 | Jumpie | stew...thats what i thought |
| 20:36.40 | Jumpie | but alas, is not working |
| 20:36.47 | thewanderer1 | stew: I did have it on MBR but still it wouldn't boot - I guess it depends |
| 20:36.58 | Jumpie | that link that was given to me doesnt really apply |
| 20:37.02 | stew | thewanderer1: no, it doesn't, grub doesn't pay any attention to the bootable flag |
| 20:37.08 | Jumpie | cause the system isnt detecting any boot devices, even though i know the cdrom is bootable |
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| 20:37.22 | thewanderer1 | stew: I know it does not - still, my hardware would not even try to load GRUB if no bootable flag was set |
| 20:37.23 | stew | Jumpie: so either grub isn't on the mbr, or the drive with grub on the mbr isn't in the boot order |
| 20:37.38 | Jumpie | stew, its in the boot order as first, and its the only drive |
| 20:38.05 | thewanderer1 | Jumpie: boot into rescue mode in the installer, fire up fdisk and set your / partition as bootable (a) |
| 20:38.07 | Jumpie | server's pissin me off too, im tryin to net kvm |
| 20:38.10 | stew | thewanderer1: no, stop |
| 20:38.19 | Jumpie | thewanderer1, its 1000 miles away |
| 20:38.24 | stew | thewanderer1: your hardware doesn't know anything about the bootable flag |
| 20:38.25 | Jumpie | but yea ill try that |
| 20:38.31 | Jumpie | if i can get the damn cdroom to boot up again |
| 20:38.33 | stew | thewanderer1: or shoudln't care |
| 20:38.34 | thewanderer1 | stew: ok, it does not... how about BIOS? |
| 20:38.37 | Jumpie | its now set to first and refuses to boot off it anymore |
| 20:38.44 | stew | thewanderer1: what about bios? |
| 20:38.58 | stew | brammator: its going to boot off the boot loader on the mbr, regarless of the bootable flag of some partition in the mbr |
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| 20:39.03 | stew | brammator: not you |
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| 20:39.24 | brammator | stew 1-) |
| 20:39.42 | stew | thewanderer1: the bootable flag is MAYBE used by a bootloader on the mbr. grub is not such a bootloader, grub doesn't take this flag into consideration |
| 20:40.12 | thewanderer1 | stew: are you sure that the BIOS will not check the MBR on its own to see which disks it should boot from? |
| 20:40.21 | thewanderer1 | I am almost sure that my server did just that |
| 20:40.22 | stew | thewanderer1: the bootloader you get with "fdisk /mbr" on windows or with the mbr package in debian would boot the first partition marked bootable |
| 20:40.40 | stew | thewanderer1: i've never heard of such a thing |
| 20:40.56 | stew | and I don't believe I've set a bootable flag on a partition in 10 years |
| 20:41.20 | thewanderer1 | stew: so your current setup doesn't have a partition marked as bootable? |
| 20:41.30 | stew | none of my current setups, correct |
| 20:41.33 | stew | since the all use grub |
| 20:41.48 | thewanderer1 | hm. |
| 20:41.53 | thewanderer1 | there is 1 more relevant option |
| 20:42.14 | thewanderer1 | some BIOS have an option called MBR protection - you should turn that off, Jumpie |
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| 20:42.50 | thewanderer1 | if it's on, it's no wonder that GRUB can not be installed in the MBR... and I don't know if it should report errors |
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| 20:43.04 | Jumpie | thewanderer1 that would be extremely atypical of the rest of our servers, i do this all the time with redhat |
| 20:43.06 | Jumpie | ill check though |
| 20:43.15 | Jumpie | whats pissing me off though now is, it will not boot off the cd at all |
| 20:43.20 | Jumpie | even though i've done it twice today tryin to erinstall |
| 20:43.28 | thewanderer1 | Jumpie: USB CD drive? |
| 20:43.42 | jordanm | Jumpie: is this on a hardware RAID? |
| 20:44.42 | Jumpie | thewanderer1 yes |
| 20:44.47 | Jumpie | and i've changed nothing in regards to it |
| 20:44.54 | Jumpie | only been adjusting boot order from time to time |
| 20:44.58 | thewanderer1 | Jumpie: is this a stock server, or own-built? |
| 20:45.00 | Jumpie | cdrom is set first, and its refusing to recognize it |
| 20:45.02 | Jumpie | poweredge |
| 20:45.06 | thewanderer1 | hmm |
| 20:45.08 | Jumpie | im gonna call my DC |
| 20:45.13 | Jumpie | see if somehow the usb drive got disconnected |
| 20:45.19 | Jumpie | some of the techs seem to have a 5 iq |
| 20:45.34 | thewanderer1 | Jumpie: my server doesn't boot from USB CD even though it used to, too |
| 20:45.46 | Jumpie | well i have enable boot off usb |
| 20:45.54 | Jumpie | its a standard set of servers, we do this a lot, i manage hundreds of servers |
| 20:45.55 | thewanderer1 | oh, so have I, believe me! :P |
| 20:45.58 | Jumpie | thats why this is annoyin gme, this is simple |
| 20:46.03 | thewanderer1 | well... |
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| 20:46.09 | Jumpie | i'm tryin to see where mbr protection may be if it exists |
| 20:46.26 | thewanderer1 | I have the same problem - it's not been solved so I've been using PXE installers since then :P |
| 20:46.34 | Jumpie | heh well |
| 20:46.40 | Jumpie | thats somethin we are planning on implementing later |
| 20:46.43 | Jumpie | but obviously cant as of now |
| 20:46.43 | thewanderer1 | (the interesting thing is that CD boot used to work when I had Windows on that machine, lol) |
| 20:47.09 | thewanderer1 | Jumpie: you could send them a pendrive to attach to the machine or a IDE<->CF adaptor with a rescue system on CF |
| 20:47.19 | Jumpie | thsi is annoying as hell though |
| 20:47.22 | Jumpie | i've changed nothing different |
| 20:47.25 | Jumpie | it just suddenly doesnt work |
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| 20:47.49 | thewanderer1 | this happens. |
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| 20:48.02 | Jumpie | know what we call this? |
| 20:48.03 | Jumpie | gremlins |
| 20:48.04 | Jumpie | :( |
| 20:48.16 | thewanderer1 | for me it also happened *right after* installing Debian... |
| 20:48.24 | Jumpie | same.... |
| 20:48.26 | Jumpie | which concerns me |
| 20:48.39 | Jumpie | so you dont think me having a tech unplug/replug in the drive would accmoplish anything eh |
| 20:48.50 | thewanderer1 | sadly yeah |
| 20:49.07 | Jumpie | this makes no sense, hwo is debian affecting the way my bios sees drive order |
| 20:50.19 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: BTW marking the partition as bootable only affects MS stuff iirc. |
| 20:50.38 | stew | or the bootloader in the mbr package |
| 20:50.45 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: could be, I was just describing my personal experience with the weirdest server I have ever seen |
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| 20:51.04 | s1kx | is there a faster way to count the amount of open sockets than lsof | wc -l? |
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| 20:51.30 | jordanm | s1kx: UNIX sockets? |
| 20:51.38 | thewanderer1 | s1kx: yes - read lsof code and see how it gets them |
| 20:51.49 | s1kx | jordanm: tcp sockets |
| 20:51.55 | thewanderer1 | netstat code could be used, too - I suppose it's clearer |
| 20:52.21 | stew | s1kx: have a look at "netstat -nt" |
| 20:52.32 | Enverex | I've been searching for a while but I'm only finding the (now dead) uShare and FUPPES software. Does anyone know of any working UPNP server software? (someone mentioned gupnp but that seems to be just a framework) |
| 20:52.32 | jordanm | s1kx: netstat -tla | wc -l |
| 20:52.36 | jordanm | s1kx: subtract 2 |
| 20:53.01 | jordanm | Enverex: I made a suggestion too! |
| 20:53.04 | s1kx | ta |
| 20:53.18 | Enverex | jordanm, I must have missed it |
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| 20:53.54 | thewanderer1 | Enverex: he mentioned this http://linux-igd.sourceforge.net/ |
| 20:53.58 | jordanm | Enverex: linux-igd is what I found from a search |
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| 20:54.34 | Enverex | thewanderer1, jordanm: I'm looking for Video streaming, that seems to be something very different |
| 20:54.42 | thewanderer1 | Enverex: media tomb? |
| 20:54.55 | klapaucjusz | Hi. |
| 20:54.57 | thewanderer1 | ,info mediatomb |
| 20:54.58 | judd | mediatomb (net, optional): UPnP MediaServer (main package). Version: 0.11.0-3; Size: 17.6k; Installed: 96k; Homepage: http://mediatomb.cc/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/mediatomb |
| 20:55.00 | klapaucjusz | Anyone used systemd on Debian? |
| 20:55.03 | Enverex | thewanderer1, Is great, but it's audio only unfortunately |
| 20:55.09 | klapaucjusz | I've just tried apt-get install -t experimental systemd, |
| 20:55.14 | klapaucjusz | then booted with init=/bin/systemd |
| 20:55.25 | klapaucjusz | Boots, but complains about the root file system being read-only. |
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| 20:55.41 | klapaucjusz | (Giving up for now, it was just idle curiosity, unless somebody is able to give me the solution.) |
| 20:55.44 | thewanderer1 | klapaucjusz: then remount it read-write... |
| 20:56.10 | thewanderer1 | klapaucjusz: or boot Linux with "rw" instead of "ro" - this is not a good idea with standard init, though |
| 20:56.10 | klapaucjusz | thewanderer1: too late -- it needs to happen during the boot process, or else most daemons are broken. |
| 20:56.31 | alremu | Enverex: mediatomb supports video too |
| 20:56.42 | klapaucjusz | is considering filing a bug. |
| 20:56.52 | Enverex | alremu, Sorry, I mean it doesn't support media streaming to an XBox 360 |
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| 20:57.43 | alremu | Enverex: ah ok, it works fine with ps3, didn't know that |
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| 20:58.01 | thewanderer1 | klapaucjusz: boot linux with rw instead of ro, it will help :P |
| 20:58.03 | Enverex | alremu, Yeah, its DLNA part works for the PS3 but unfortunately not the XBox |
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| 20:58.46 | klapaucjusz | thewanderer1: have you actually tried it? Or is that just an educated guess? |
| 20:59.22 | thewanderer1 | klapaucjusz: I have not tried systemd, but I've booted Linux with "rw" many times |
| 20:59.52 | thewanderer1 | so unless systemd remounts that as ro, it should stay read-write |
| 21:00.21 | klapaucjusz | Wouldn't that be fixing the symptom, rather than understanding the cause? |
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| 21:00.22 | jordanm | the init= might prevent the root fs from being mounted rw |
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| 21:01.03 | thewanderer1 | klapaucjusz: the cause is: none of your init scripts remount your file system as read-write |
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| 21:01.14 | thewanderer1 | klapaucjusz: are you using an initramfs? |
| 21:01.28 | mooglenorph | Hi... I'm on debian lenny, and would like to replace cron with anacron. |
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| 21:01.41 | mooglenorph | Is there anything special I need to do to have this not hose my system? |
| 21:02.05 | klapaucjusz | mooglenorph: you don't replace it. YOu run both cron and anacron. |
| 21:02.11 | klapaucjusz | Just apt-get install anacron. |
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| 21:02.48 | mooglenorph | klapaucjusz: okay. thanks. I thought I might have to remove cron or something first> |
| 21:02.56 | klapaucjusz | (To see how it works -- have a look at /etc/crontab, which tests for anacro being installed.) |
| 21:03.27 | klapaucjusz | thewanderer1: yes. |
| 21:03.36 | klapaucjusz | who's supposed to remount rootfs rw? |
| 21:03.53 | Cuddle-Ing | good evening ! how can i enable network device on dom0 i've just installed XEN 4.0 on lenny and bootet successfully into it,but now there is no network device, and i do not know where to search for |
| 21:04.40 | stew | klapaucjusz: /etc/rcS.d/S10checkroot.sh |
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| 21:04.42 | stew | klapaucjusz: i think |
| 21:04.43 | vmwarenewbie | yes |
| 21:04.46 | vmwarenewbie | hello there kind sirs |
| 21:04.59 | vmwarenewbie | i have a debian 5 CBT which i really want to view where could i get debian 5 for an intel q9400 cpu plz |
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| 21:06.43 | thewanderer1 | klapaucjusz: stew is most probably correct now that I'm reading that script. also, the "rw" argument gets parsed by the initramfs in Debian, so you can use that if you need a quick fix for the symptoms |
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| 21:07.21 | klapaucjusz | gives up and files a bug. |
| 21:07.30 | vmwarenewbie | i have a debian 5 CBT which i really want to view where could i get debian 5 for an intel q9400 cpu plz |
| 21:07.40 | stew | vmwarenewbie: you want to know where to download debian? |
| 21:07.57 | vmwarenewbie | i want o download the correct distro of debian 5 , yes. |
| 21:08.02 | stew | vmwarenewbie: go to "http://debian.org" and click on "getting debian" |
| 21:08.07 | klapaucjusz | Cognitive Behavioural Therapy? |
| 21:08.30 | Cuddle-Ing | anyone who could help with dom0 and network device ? |
| 21:08.53 | thewanderer1 | vmwarenewbie: if you mean Core 2 CPU and running VMware guests with Intel VT turned ON, then you want amd64 arch |
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| 21:09.22 | vmwarenewbie | DVD: |
| 21:09.22 | vmwarenewbie | [alpha][amd64][arm][armel][hppa][i386][ia64][mips][mipsel][powerpc][sparc][s390][source][multi-arch] |
| 21:09.25 | vmwarenewbie | what should i select here ? |
| 21:09.31 | vmwarenewbie | i386 ? |
| 21:09.35 | stew | vmwarenewbie: you have a 64 bit cpu or 32 bit? |
| 21:09.38 | thewanderer1 | vmwarenewbie: actually read my above message please! |
| 21:09.39 | vmwarenewbie | i have an intel cpu 64bit |
| 21:09.48 | NoReflex | any idea how I can filter requests to my reverse proxy (squid) based on mime type? |
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| 21:10.14 | stew | vmwarenewbie: you want i386 for the 32 bit version of debian or amd64 for 64 bit |
| 21:10.32 | vmwarenewbie | but i have an intel CPU not an AMD one |
| 21:10.39 | thewanderer1 | !amd64 |
| 21:10.39 | dpkg | from memory, amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 Debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel on OFTC and freenode. See also <why amd64>. |
| 21:10.43 | klapaucjusz | vmwarenewbie: this doesn't matter. |
| 21:10.47 | stew | vmwarenewbie: yes i know. the amd64 arch works on intel and amd |
| 21:10.47 | klapaucjusz | Grab AMD64. |
| 21:10.50 | vmwarenewbie | alright, thank you. |
| 21:11.24 | thewanderer1 | NoReflex: no, this is not possible because mime types only exist in terms of HTTP responses, so you can not filter requests based on non-existent criteria |
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| 21:12.11 | NoReflex | thewanderer1, perhaps file extension? I only want to allow and cache requests for png images |
| 21:12.31 | Jumpie | whats really wierd is |
| 21:12.34 | vmwarenewbie | how important is it to learn how to program before learning how to use debian |
| 21:12.38 | Jumpie | my bios detects the dvd drive correctly |
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| 21:12.50 | Jumpie | so did the dvd magically become unbootable after my failed debian install? wtf |
| 21:12.54 | klapaucjusz | vmwarenewbie: you don't need to learn to. |
| 21:13.08 | vmwarenewbie | what about when installing a driver |
| 21:13.10 | klapaucjusz | vmwarenewbie: just relax. My 72-year old dad is running Debian on his laptop. |
| 21:13.13 | vmwarenewbie | or recompile a kernel |
| 21:13.14 | klapaucjusz | I'm sure you'll be fine. |
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| 21:13.24 | klapaucjusz | I haven't recompiled a kernel in years. |
| 21:13.47 | thewanderer1 | I have, but none of them worked for a year, so I gave up and have been using Debian stock defaults :P |
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| 21:14.03 | klapaucjusz | See. |
| 21:14.09 | klapaucjusz | The Debian stock kernels are just fine nowadays. |
| 21:14.09 | thewanderer1 | Jumpie: yeah, in terms of symptoms |
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| 21:14.24 | Jumpie | im a very 'why/how does this work' kind of person |
| 21:14.31 | Jumpie | i tend to not accept random bullshit that doesnt make logical sense :P |
| 21:14.32 | Cuddle-Ing | on xen 4.0.1 no network device in dom0 why ? |
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| 21:15.56 | thewanderer1 | Jumpie: I don't know what kind of hardware you are running there, but if it does not have PS/2 ports, you're facing the same problems that I am and I just blame BIOS... |
| 21:16.24 | klapaucjusz | thewanderer1: bugs.debian.org/594420 |
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| 21:18.51 | klapaucjusz | is looking forward to getting rid of the mostruosity known as svinit. |
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| 21:19.27 | thewanderer1 | monstrosity? sure, you can replace all that with a single binary |
| 21:19.56 | thewanderer1 | actually you only need 1 file on your system if you don't count libraries... |
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| 21:20.12 | klapaucjusz | ? |
| 21:20.27 | klapaucjusz | I mean that /etc/init.d/ scripts are monstrous. |
| 21:20.37 | Neel_fRo4d | michalxo, Ping |
| 21:20.44 | klapaucjusz | With svinit, you need a 100 lines script, plus 100 lines of boilerplate in your daemon. |
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| 21:20.50 | mr-satan | Does anyone know of a non-MS solution to Windows Client update management, ie a WSUS but not hosted on a MS-Server OS? |
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| 21:21.08 | klapaucjusz | And you still don't get it right -- you need an extra binary (start-stop-daemon) to do it sensibly. |
| 21:21.17 | thewanderer1 | mr-satan: no, you have to run WS on a VM on a Debian server, that's what we're doing right now :( |
| 21:21.26 | vmwarenewbie | klapaucjusz some guy told me i should know fortan before even attempting to learn debiandebian_ |
| 21:21.29 | thewanderer1 | mr-satan: option #2 is re-imaging your computers weekly or so |
| 21:21.34 | vmwarenewbie | klapaucjusz some guy told me i should know fortan before even attempting to learn debian ... is that true ? |
| 21:21.45 | mr-satan | thewanderer1 - Damn. I was hoping I didn't need to cough up $$ for CAL's/Server license. |
| 21:21.59 | klapaucjusz | vmwarenewbie: please learn ALGOL-60 instead. It's a much nicer language. |
| 21:22.04 | thewanderer1 | mr-satan: there's always the imaging you know... :P |
| 21:22.07 | mr-satan | Hell, you can't even access Windows Update via any other web browser except their own. |
| 21:22.27 | mr-satan | thewanderer1 - Theoretically, yes. That'd be a huge revamp in network/system infrastructure. |
| 21:22.35 | thewanderer1 | mr-satan: which is funny since there is an edition of Windows which allows you to *select* browsers :P |
| 21:22.52 | thewanderer1 | a huge revamp? just a broadcast in all subnets... :P |
| 21:22.53 | mr-satan | thewanderer1 - Dude, you gotta love the irony in that. |
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| 21:23.29 | michalxo | lala |
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| 21:23.53 | mr-satan | thewanderer1 - I understand what you're saying about the imaging. |
| 21:23.59 | Neel_fRo4d | michalxo, nice |
| 21:24.19 | vmwarenewbie | be serious plz |
| 21:24.20 | vmwarenewbie | im so lost |
| 21:24.38 | mr-satan | Thewanderer1 - However, there are so many variables involved I don't think it'd be time invested to reward gained. Sounds good on paper though, like Communism. ;) |
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| 21:25.18 | thewanderer1 | mr-satan: oh yes, especially when you discover that along with the disk image you get the same hostname and the same license key on all machines :) |
| 21:25.50 | mr-satan | thewanderer1 - Jeez, someone didn't sysprep their image correctly. ;) |
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| 21:27.03 | thewanderer1 | vmwarenewbie: to use Debian Stable, you should not need any of those uber-1337 sk1llz, well... if you are feeling adventurous, you might want to help with debugging by using testing/unstable, but in normal usage you only have to be able to read English, mostly |
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| 21:28.10 | klapaucjusz | remembers with fondness his second paid job. Programming in FORTRAN. |
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| 21:28.55 | Jumpie | lol thewanderer1 |
| 21:29.00 | Jumpie | had my DC tech reset dvd cables |
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| 21:29.04 | Jumpie | and open/close the drive door |
| 21:29.07 | Jumpie | and it works now :P |
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| 21:29.10 | Jumpie | i told you, gremlins |
| 21:29.14 | anxt` | xserver-xorg-core: Depends: udev (>= 149) but 0.125-7+lenny3 is installed |
| 21:29.23 | thewanderer1 | Jumpie: I should try that door trick with my server! |
| 21:29.29 | anxt` | i am trying to move lenny to squeeze |
| 21:29.46 | thewanderer1 | !squeeze udev |
| 21:29.46 | dpkg | As of <udev> 150 in squeeze, Linux kernel 2.6.27 or newer is required (i.e. upgrade kernel and udev at the same time). If udev installation fails and you already have a squeeze kernel installed, then reboot into the new kernel and "aptitude -f install ; aptitude safe-upgrade" to continue. See also <squeeze kernel>, <kernel abi>, http://bugs.debian.org/571255 |
| 21:30.09 | anxt` | thanks! |
| 21:30.24 | klapaucjusz | thewanderer1: is this friendly bot documented anywhere? |
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| 21:30.50 | thewanderer1 | !dpkg |
| 21:30.51 | dpkg | [dpkg] the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
| 21:31.18 | klapaucjusz | !dpkgbot |
| 21:31.19 | dpkg | Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also ask me about <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>. |
| 21:31.19 | anxt` | i like this internet relay chatting |
| 21:31.24 | anxt` | in my emacs |
| 21:31.47 | thewanderer1 | anxt`: do you have ethernet NIC drivers for emacs, too? |
| 21:32.03 | anxt` | sort of |
| 21:32.16 | anxt` | i use emacndis |
| 21:32.26 | anxt` | wraps the windows blob;' |
| 21:32.39 | thewanderer1 | yeah... :P |
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| 21:33.08 | klapaucjusz | thewanderer1: http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/3769989/Symbolics_Open_Genera_2.0_for_Alpha_-_complete_package_with_Lisp |
| 21:33.13 | penguin | b |
| 21:33.33 | vlt | Hello. I'm looking for an IMAP client that supports read-only access to an account. Any idea? |
| 21:34.15 | thewanderer1 | klapaucjusz: sorry, I'm not a Tru64 guy... |
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| 21:34.52 | anxt` | wow thats cool |
| 21:34.58 | anxt` | my very own symbolics lisp |
| 21:35.00 | klapaucjusz | thewanderer1: heh. It actually runs under Linux/i386 if you find the right binary. |
| 21:35.32 | klapaucjusz | (Most of the torrent is the VM image and the sources. Yep, it contains full sources.) |
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| 21:36.04 | anxt` | http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Symbolics-keyboard.jpg |
| 21:36.26 | klapaucjusz | Ah... here it is: http://www.cliki.net/VLM_on_Linux |
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| 21:36.37 | thewanderer1 | er, I prefer PHP, thanks |
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| 21:36.55 | klapaucjusz | thewanderer1: nie za to Cie kochamy. |
| 21:37.11 | anxt` | every language has its strengths and weaknesses |
| 21:37.17 | thewanderer1 | yes, Polish too... |
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| 21:37.39 | klapaucjusz | anxt`: except for PHP. |
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| 21:38.00 | klapaucjusz | Some people, when they have a problem, think I know, I'll use PHP. Now they have two problems. |
| 21:38.00 | NoReflex | thewanderer1, I tried adding acl png_ext url_regex -i \.png$ ; http_access deny !png_ext all but it does not seem to work ... it still forwards requests for urls not ending with png |
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| 21:38.13 | anxt` | php is OK |
| 21:38.25 | anxt` | i prefer perl *shrug* |
| 21:38.53 | anxt` | object oriented php |
| 21:38.57 | anxt` | whoda thunk it |
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| 21:41.03 | thewanderer1 | klapaucjusz: m0n0wall uses PHP for runtime config, while pinetd implements DHCP, mail and HTTP servers along with a full IPC stack in PHP... so for some it's a problem, yes, but for others, it's a tool for creation :P |
| 21:41.03 | yardleydobon | For the longest time I though bash.org was associated with bourne again shell. I figured they just had crazy forums. I finally visited bash.org today. Ha ha. |
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| 21:41.55 | klapaucjusz | Ewk. |
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| 21:42.05 | thewanderer1 | you must mean awk :P |
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| 21:42.21 | klapaucjusz | I meant yuck. |
| 21:42.44 | LightKnight | Hello. How can I reinstall a package restoring their conffiles (i.e., I found a mysteriously corrupted conffile and I want to reinstall the package to recover the original)? |
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| 21:43.47 | jordanm | !confmiss |
| 21:43.47 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 21:44.12 | LightKnight | confmiss is when the conffile is missing, indeed |
| 21:44.30 | thewanderer1 | so delete the said file and it'll restore it! |
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| 21:45.34 | LightKnight | thewanderer1: uhm, smart :-) And what if they were several? |
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| 21:46.04 | thewanderer1 | LightKnight: hm, delete them all? :P |
| 21:46.11 | klapaucjusz | What's the apt-get equivalent of aptitude --markauto? |
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| 21:46.42 | LightKnight | thewanderer1: by hand? I'd bet the Mighty APT cound be smarter than this :-) |
| 21:48.02 | thewanderer1 | LightKnight: list config files (somehow...) and remove them, I guess :P |
| 21:48.14 | Jumpie | thewanderer1 ok im in rescue mode |
| 21:48.24 | Jumpie | its asking which device to use as root file system but |
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| 21:48.30 | Jumpie | i dont remember which mount points went to which partition |
| 21:48.32 | Jumpie | ... |
| 21:48.39 | Jumpie | does / alwasy default to sda1? |
| 21:48.44 | thewanderer1 | Jumpie: no |
| 21:48.48 | _sko | Quick question, I've got a laptop on debian, each time I plug or unplug the battery charger the brightness goes down and never comes back , I am forced to "echo 100 > /proc/video/[...]/brightness" to recover a good brightness, basically I think my acpi events are not handled. Do any of you have an idea of the cause and/or how can I fix this ? Thanks for your help. (sorry for my poor english) |
| 21:48.50 | Jumpie | i ditnt htink so...crap |
| 21:48.53 | Jumpie | i have no idea which one of these is / |
| 21:49.05 | Jumpie | if i select it, will it show me info before it applies anything |
| 21:49.12 | thewanderer1 | Jumpie: alt+f2 and you get a shiny console |
| 21:49.12 | LightKnight | thewanderer1: OK... I'm just baffled for there's no option like "Overwrite everything, no matter what" :) |
| 21:49.24 | LightKnight | thewanderer1 et al.: thank you for now :) |
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| 21:49.28 | thewanderer1 | LightKnight: it will be added in next dpkg release |
| 21:49.37 | jordanm | _sko: are you using a power management daemon? if so, which one? |
| 21:49.40 | LightKnight | thewanderer1: interesting, thanks :) |
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| 21:49.59 | Jumpie | thewanderer1 yea... |
| 21:50.10 | Jumpie | all i get is tmpfs and /dev/sr0 |
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| 21:50.52 | thewanderer1 | Jumpie: are you on LVM or what? |
| 21:51.02 | Jumpie | i hit alt f2 console during recovery |
| 21:51.06 | Jumpie | i need to identify which partition is / |
| 21:51.06 | _sko | jordanm: I don't think I am, it's a raw debian I installed only the necessary, how can I know if i am using one ? Morover my environnment is dwm , I don't think it comes with a power manager |
| 21:51.13 | thewanderer1 | Jumpie: cat /proc/partitions |
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| 21:51.20 | thewanderer1 | Jumpie: besides, why do you need that? |
| 21:51.33 | Jumpie | becasue i'm back in recovery, was gonna try to set that parition to bootable remember |
| 21:51.46 | thewanderer1 | Jumpie: fdisk is already provided in the installer... |
| 21:51.56 | Jumpie | because, im at a different screen |
| 21:52.03 | Jumpie | its saying recsue mode, please choose a partition |
| 21:52.08 | Jumpie | and shows all the partitions and no mount points |
| 21:52.14 | thewanderer1 | Jumpie: `fdisk -l` will list your partitions |
| 21:52.15 | Jumpie | same thing with cat /proc/partitions |
| 21:52.33 | thewanderer1 | Jumpie: so you don't see your partitions (sda*) at all? |
| 21:52.41 | jordanm | Jumpie: I asked once before, is this a hardware raid? |
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| 21:52.43 | Jumpie | fdisk -l pretty much shows me same stuff |
| 21:52.45 | Jumpie | and no... |
| 21:52.46 | Jumpie | single disk |
| 21:52.59 | Jumpie | just shows LINUX |
| 21:53.19 | Jumpie | I suppose i can just reinstall from scratch |
| 21:53.21 | jordanm | Jumpie: what does /etc/fstab look like? what about the root= line in menu.lst? |
| 21:53.22 | thewanderer1 | Jumpie: did you go through the "detect disks" step? |
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| 21:53.32 | jordanm | thewanderer1: he would have to... |
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| 21:53.50 | thewanderer1 | jordanm: hm, I guess - I just did mess with the installer lately... |
| 21:54.03 | Jumpie | only 3 entries in that Jordan |
| 21:54.07 | thewanderer1 | Jumpie: so did you do all that with MBR primary partitions? |
| 21:54.15 | jordanm | Jumpie: are they correct? |
| 21:54.29 | Jumpie | just shows /dev/pts, /proc, /sys |
| 21:54.32 | Jumpie | nothing with root= |
| 21:54.41 | Jumpie | i think this is because im in that rescue console, shit sint normal |
| 21:54.46 | Jumpie | how do i get back to the installer |
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| 21:55.01 | Jumpie | thewanderer1 becassue im in recuse mode, mi not getting the same process as normal |
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| 21:55.11 | LightKnight | OK, that solved the problem, thanks everyone. It still remains to be explained why the file got corrupted that way, and that's much harder... |
| 21:55.15 | Jumpie | im just gonna reboot |
| 21:55.30 | Jumpie | and ill tell you exactly what screen i was at |
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| 21:56.09 | Jumpie | hmm..wtf now i got a boot: prompt, dunno why it didnt use the cdrom, this randomness is startin to irritate me |
| 21:56.29 | Jumpie | lol black cloud on my head today |
| 21:56.36 | thewanderer1 | boot: from where? GRUB? :P |
| 21:56.40 | Jumpie | i think so |
| 21:56.45 | Jumpie | im just gonna start over thewanderer1 |
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| 21:56.52 | Jumpie | its not like this was a production machine |
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| 21:57.01 | Jumpie | and when i get to the partitioning steps |
| 21:57.10 | Jumpie | i set / partition to be bootable right? |
| 21:57.14 | Jumpie | i nkow some said i shouldnt have to but... |
| 21:57.16 | jordanm | not required |
| 21:57.17 | Jumpie | i can check |
| 21:57.31 | Jumpie | jordanm well...regardless it didnt boot |
| 21:57.42 | Jumpie | maybei have some quirky hardware |
| 21:57.53 | jordanm | I have a poweredge running debian... |
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| 21:58.08 | thewanderer1 | Jumpie: you should never need to reinstall if your install is fine... just run the rescue system |
| 21:58.43 | NoReflex | I tried adding acl png_ext url_regex -i \.png$ ; http_access deny !png_ext all to my existing reverse proxy (squid) but it does not seem to work ... it still forwards requests for urls not ending with png. any ideas? |
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| 22:00.17 | thewanderer1 | Jumpie: however, if you manage to boot into that installer fine, you will be able to identify your partitions easier, after which you can just switch to a console, edit bootable flags and do all sorts of fun stuff |
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| 22:01.39 | Jumpie | thewanderer1 strangely, even after im in the installer, all the partitions are back to generic |
| 22:01.41 | Jumpie | dont show the mount points |
| 22:01.43 | Jumpie | its ok im recreating |
| 22:01.48 | Jumpie | this shit is a nightmare |
| 22:01.51 | Jumpie | so much easier in redhat |
| 22:01.53 | Jumpie | :P |
| 22:02.00 | thewanderer1 | Jumpie: er... they're not supposed to "show mountpoints" |
| 22:02.07 | Jumpie | well the whole idea is |
| 22:02.10 | Jumpie | figuring out which one was / |
| 22:02.13 | thewanderer1 | your installer has no way of knowing where you mount your stuff |
| 22:02.21 | jhutchins_lt | Jumpie: So run deadrat. |
| 22:02.23 | Jumpie | i guess i thought it remember from last time |
| 22:02.28 | Jumpie | its ok, im starting over |
| 22:02.35 | Jumpie | thewanderer1 i cant remember, does debian need a /boot? |
| 22:02.46 | Jumpie | i cant remember if freebsd or debian pooped when i created it |
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| 22:03.13 | thewanderer1 | Jumpie: you can create /boot, but if you don't, a directory in / will just handle that, so it's plainly optional |
| 22:03.58 | thewanderer1 | d-i will configure GRUB correctly anyway |
| 22:04.10 | Jumpie | cool |
| 22:04.12 | Jumpie | ok then it was bsd |
| 22:04.17 | Jumpie | with centos we use a 500mb /boot |
| 22:04.19 | Jumpie | when i created it in bsd |
| 22:04.22 | Jumpie | it absolutely crashed |
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| 22:08.50 | Ergo^ | if i do : ps aux |
| 22:09.01 | Ergo^ | then real memory usage is 6th column from left ? |
| 22:09.11 | thewanderer1 | Ergo^: there is no "real memory usage" |
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| 22:10.19 | thewanderer1 | Ergo^: yesterday I had 11 processes, each of RSZ 150MB, VSS 200MB, SHR about 2000, all were forks of a single process, but `df -h` was giving memory usage of 424MB, so figure that out |
| 22:11.14 | Ergo^ | right, so how can i figure out memory usage of something running in background ? |
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| 22:11.47 | thewanderer1 | well, if this doesn't fork, you can use RSZ minus SHR as some kind of approximation |
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| 22:12.28 | thewanderer1 | but then still, it all depends on memory semantics - whether you count allocated or used pages... |
| 22:12.46 | jhutchins_lt | Jumpie: Debian and Centos (and RedHat and Slackware and SuSE and...) all use the same kernel architecture, and if you're using lilo or grub they use /boot, but it doesn't have to be a partition. |
| 22:13.07 | thewanderer1 | a process will often have no problems malloc()ing 200% of system's memory only to be killed by OoM killer afterwards - Linux memory is really strange |
| 22:13.47 | tuv | do i still need nvidia-kernel-source if i have nvidia-kernel-dkms? |
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| 22:15.37 | thewanderer1 | tuv: the dkms stuff should download the source for you. in general, if it's listed in Depends or Recommends, then you probably need it |
| 22:16.21 | tuv | thewanderer1: i just uninstalled -source. -dkms is still there |
| 22:16.58 | thewanderer1 | so it looks like it doesn't need -source |
| 22:17.06 | micols | 5: eth_lan2: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state DOWN qlen 1000 , hm .. now how do i remove it (the eth_lan2 label) from the kernel driver? , ip link set down dev eth_lan2 is what i did, but it still shows up in "ip addr ls" and "ip link sh", even though it has no address assigned - the problem is that each night cron sets the link up again since the label wasn't deleted it seems :) - I don't have an entry in /etc/network/interfaces either (I think |
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| 22:17.28 | micols | it shows up as down, and I dont get packets on the interface, but each night cron sets the interface up again |
| 22:17.39 | micols | and it starts recieving packets, which it shouldn't |
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| 22:20.31 | thewanderer1 | micols: if you really want to get rid of that interface, remove the kernel module responsible for that: rmmod $module |
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| 22:20.53 | thewanderer1 | if you have other such NIC's using this module - you will cut your 'net :P |
| 22:21.03 | micols | thewanderer1: cannot remove the module :) |
| 22:21.10 | micols | got clients on the dev yes |
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| 22:21.33 | thewanderer1 | so what, you want this device to stay turned off? |
| 22:21.39 | micols | basically it has been a problem since i had it in interfaces file |
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| 22:21.49 | micols | i cannot remove eth_lan2 completely again, only temporary from ifconfig |
| 22:22.01 | thewanderer1 | then remove the offending cron scropt |
| 22:22.07 | micols | interfaces must store it somewhere, but cannot find hwere :) , searched cron as well |
| 22:22.38 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Don't remove, blacklist. |
| 22:22.46 | micols | seems it only happens when i ifup/down an interface, not via cron as I first thought, so it might ask the kernel driver and set up eth_lan2 as well as it exists but wasnt set up |
| 22:22.50 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: I was meaning rmmod, but this isn't viable |
| 22:22.51 | jhutchins_lt | micols: Any idea what cron job is reconfiguring the link? |
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| 22:23.11 | micols | I don't think it is a cronjob anyway, it happens when i ifup/down eth_lan , it takes up eth_lan2 as well |
| 22:23.15 | thewanderer1 | micols: ifup/ifdown works ONLY with interfaces that exist in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:23.28 | thewanderer1 | micols: is this in some kind of a bridge? |
| 22:23.48 | jhutchins_lt | micols: possibly a hal/udev thing? |
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| 22:24.00 | micols | true, I had it bridged at a time, I think that is what messed it up |
| 22:24.21 | micols | couldn't set it down afterwards without bringing eth_lan down as well etc, and couldn't remove it :) |
| 22:24.56 | micols | udev says eth_lan (which should eb runing) is e1000 driver (intel nic), and eth_lan2 is forcedeth (onboard) |
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| 22:26.37 | BlueG | how can I best determine if my AMD Athlon processor is a 686 or not? |
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| 22:28.03 | micols | brctl show doesn't list anything anymore, I removed the bridge long ago |
| 22:28.07 | micols | :P |
| 22:28.24 | thewanderer1 | micols: then remove any bridge references in "interfaces" file, too |
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| 22:28.42 | micols | thewanderer1: only eth_lan is mentioned there, and no bridges are mentioned |
| 22:28.52 | micols | so I wonder why it thinks eth_lan2 should be up :) |
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| 22:29.09 | thewanderer1 | do you have network-manager there? |
| 22:29.15 | thewanderer1 | (I hope not!) |
| 22:30.18 | micols | nope, debian and static interfaces |
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| 22:30.55 | thewanderer1 | then it's some script that you must have forgotten |
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| 22:32.25 | micols | if-post-down.d and post-up i removed 'bridge' from here :) , as it was returning 1 when ifup/downing |
| 22:32.29 | micols | so ifup/down failed |
| 22:32.30 | Jumpie | thewanderer1 |
| 22:32.32 | Jumpie | that was it :) |
| 22:32.37 | Jumpie | had to set / partition to bootable |
| 22:32.38 | Jumpie | and it works now |
| 22:32.46 | Jumpie | so....apparently the grub getting put on mbr wasnt enough |
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| 22:32.53 | qwd | I have a hard drive that was encrypted with disk utility tool in gnome, I want it mounted during startup and decrypted by the same time as my system drive. The system drive was encrypted and set up with LVM in the Debian installer. Do I need to format the second drive in order to achieve this? |
| 22:32.54 | Jumpie | which is retarded |
| 22:33.17 | micols | cannot reproduce it right now, just did ifdown eth_lan;ifup eth_lan and it didnt setup eth_lan2 this time.. I think it is a cronscript somehow as first assumed then |
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| 22:34.17 | thewanderer1 | Jumpie: glad you got it working |
| 22:34.35 | thewanderer1 | now where was that guy claiming he doesn't use bootable flags... :P |
| 22:34.52 | micols | grub doesn't care for boot flag these days |
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| 22:35.11 | thewanderer1 | micols: but apparently hi-end servers do :D |
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| 22:35.22 | fergal32 | hi |
| 22:35.36 | fergal32 | i have a problem with debian lenny 5.0.5 |
| 22:35.52 | Jumpie | wtf....trying to apt-get install openssh-server |
| 22:35.58 | Selveste1 | Hey, is it possible with the DHCP-server in Lenny to hand out IPV6 addresses simultaneous with IPV4 addresses.? |
| 22:36.03 | Jumpie | and its saying 'media change, please insert the disc labeled...." |
| 22:36.06 | Jumpie | instead of pulling it offline |
| 22:36.12 | fergal32 | i added according to this http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=412989 |
| 22:36.17 | nsadmin | never knows how to respond to problems with debian lenny 5.0.5... |
| 22:36.24 | fergal32 | the following groups nvram etc. |
| 22:36.27 | micols | qwd: you can write an /etc/rc2.d script , that luksopens your disk |
| 22:36.44 | fergal32 | but they all got the same GID and now i can logon anymore |
| 22:36.48 | micols | qwd: or you can also make a custom initramfs that opens your disk with luksopen at the same time as your root disk |
| 22:36.57 | nsadmin | what gid? |
| 22:37.03 | peterrooney | Jumpie: pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list - you may still have a cdrom entry not commented out |
| 22:37.04 | fergal32 | 100 |
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| 22:37.21 | nsadmin | what pre-existing group has gid 100? |
| 22:37.26 | fergal32 | users |
| 22:37.50 | micols | when booting from grub, it loads the initramfs which has luksOpen and lvm2 in it (vgchange -ay usually to detect all lvm2 partitions) |
| 22:37.51 | nsadmin | what happens when you get rid of the groups? |
| 22:38.02 | fergal32 | i booted from the cd with rescue mode and removed the groups from /etc/group but it looks like itÅ still there |
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| 22:38.46 | nsadmin | nono, you don't edit /etc/group directly, you use group{add,del,mod} |
| 22:38.48 | fergal32 | and in gshadow i also removed the groups |
| 22:39.01 | Jumpie | petern_ |
| 22:39.06 | Jumpie | er peterrooney good call :D |
| 22:39.13 | fergal32 | but that won work in rescue mode i guess |
| 22:39.42 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin: same thing... |
| 22:39.43 | micols | nsadmin: or usermod -G newgroup -a user |
| 22:39.53 | nsadmin | again, you should not be editing those files directly since the data structure is built into the commands |
| 22:39.58 | micols | to append to the user, dont forget the -a :D |
| 22:40.04 | micols | else you remove all other groups from the user |
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| 22:40.38 | fergal32 | hm wait i´m just booting with the cd |
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| 22:41.59 | nsadmin | micols: right... I never knew about -a on usermod, so I would always list all the existing groups plus the one I wanted to add |
| 22:42.04 | Jumpie | hmmm |
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| 22:57.23 | moldovean | unplug /plug it again can help |
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| 22:58.55 | Jumpie | well |
| 22:58.58 | Jumpie | its a bit more of an ordeal |
| 22:59.00 | Jumpie | casue its 1000 miles away |
| 22:59.15 | Jumpie | i already had to get a datacenter tech to reset the usb dvd cable and open the drive tray |
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| 23:00.04 | Jumpie | i see debian doesn't have ethtool |
| 23:00.25 | moldovean | !ethtool |
| 23:00.25 | dpkg | rumour has it, ethtool is a utility for displaying and changing Ethernet device settings, e.g. speed, duplex, auto-negotiation, wake-on (lan). As of ethtool 6+20080913-2 (Squeeze), most settings can be specified in /etc/network/interfaces; see /usr/share/doc/ethtool/README.Debian for supported settings. http://sf.net/projects/gkernel/ See also <which ethernet module>, <wol>, <nictools>. |
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| 23:01.06 | moldovean | , versions ethtool |
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| 23:01.08 | judd | ethtool -- etch: 5-1; lenny: 6+20080913-1; sid: 1:2.6.34-3; squeeze: 1:2.6.34-3 |
| 23:01.13 | Jumpie | sigh, |
| 23:01.17 | Jumpie | all this shit is standard on redhst |
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| 23:01.44 | moldovean | Jumpie, debian don't install shits as standard |
| 23:01.49 | Jumpie | :) |
| 23:02.01 | Jumpie | i just wanna be sure if autoneg is not tryin to neg at half duplex |
| 23:03.09 | acu | moldovean: are you ready to do some charity - I need a bit of direction using screen - how can I connect to other computer - so the person on that computer can see what I type) |
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| 23:03.20 | moldovean | Jumpie, it depends off switch capability |
| 23:03.36 | Jumpie | well it also depends on the NIC |
| 23:03.43 | Jumpie | all the switches are 100/full |
| 23:03.46 | moldovean | acu, man screen , |
| 23:03.57 | Jumpie | or 1000/full but...for some reason some nics set to auto neg stuck at half duplex |
| 23:04.17 | Jumpie | im used to editing /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 |
| 23:04.33 | moldovean | Jumpie, yes, shity NIC |
| 23:04.42 | Jumpie | yeh |
| 23:04.46 | Jumpie | so im gonna force it to 100/full now |
| 23:04.54 | anosh | i am on Debian CDs page there are many CDs which one I should download to install a basic debian+gnome system? |
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| 23:05.22 | Jumpie | i think just the first right? |
| 23:05.27 | Jumpie | rest can be gotten ovr net |
| 23:05.50 | anosh | you are not sure about it? |
| 23:06.38 | Jumpie | anosh, the best thing to do is probably just get the DVD |
| 23:06.45 | Jumpie | bigger download but its all there |
| 23:07.07 | moldovean | !netinstall |
| 23:07.07 | dpkg | [netinst] a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 23:07.12 | peterrooney | anosh: Just CD 1 (or just DVD 1) |
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| 23:08.18 | peterrooney | anosh: but if you have a strong network connection to the target machine, netinstall is THE best choice. |
| 23:11.09 | acu | can anyone tell me how to connect to other computer with screen? |
| 23:11.49 | anxt` | what do you mean |
| 23:11.56 | anxt` | attach a screen session? |
| 23:12.06 | anxt` | i just ssh in and screen -d -r |
| 23:12.10 | Niriven | acu, unplug the vga port and plug in into the other computer? :) |
| 23:12.20 | anxt` | are we talking about gnu screen ? |
| 23:12.30 | Jumpie | just find the vty |
| 23:12.31 | Jumpie | and attach |
| 23:12.40 | anxt` | screen does serial too |
| 23:12.47 | anxt` | you could use a null modem cable ;) |
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| 23:13.11 | anxt` | personnally i prefer tmux now |
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| 23:16.26 | acu | anxt` so I will connect to another computer through ssh then type screen ? |
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| 23:17.06 | anxt` | typical use yeah |
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| 23:17.16 | anxt` | man screen |
| 23:17.23 | anxt` | screen -r reattach |
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| 23:17.44 | Selveste1 | Is it possible with the DHCP-server in Lenny to hand out IPV6 addresses simultaneous with IPV4 addresses.? I have IPv6 on man internet, but can i make an IPv6 and IPv4 DHCP-server on my land side-by-side.? |
| 23:19.07 | Arrowmaster | should be, check the manual for the specific dhcp server you are using to see if it supports ipv6 |
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| 23:22.54 | Selveste1 | Arrowmaster: Im running DHCP3-server |
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| 23:24.33 | acu | OK, maybe I was not clear of what I want: I want to connect to a remote computer and do some stuff through CLI - but I want the person on the other computer to see what I am doing - and I do not want to use VNC (if possible) - I am still confused - what is the person at the remote computer needs to start so he can see what I am typing ? |
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| 23:25.33 | acu | because if I connect through ssh the remote person sees nothing |
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| 23:27.01 | abrotman | acu: you can use screen for this |
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| 23:27.15 | abrotman | acu: screen has ACLs that you can manipulate to share the session |
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| 23:29.59 | hiku | acu: ssh to remote host; run screen %> screen, hit ctrl+D, then re-connect with screen -x and have another user run screen -x on that same host. |
| 23:31.50 | acu | abrotman: so I need to start on my local computer the screen than within screen connect through ssh to the remote computer - and the person on the remote computer connects to my local screen - how does he do that - OK I just read hiku's hints - I am going to execute that in a sec |
| 23:32.03 | abrotman | or you could read the man page |
| 23:32.15 | anxt` | how do i intall grub on x86 platfrom? |
| 23:32.28 | abrotman | aptitude install grub2 ? |
| 23:32.28 | anxt` | like call the debian installer |
| 23:32.30 | nsadmin | aptitude install grub? |
| 23:32.43 | hiku | acu: no, that's not what I said. you connect from your current client to the remote host, then run screen (ctrl+D) leaves the screen session running in detached mode. |
| 23:32.49 | nsadmin | or grub-pc or grub2, if you want grub2 |
| 23:32.59 | anxt` | i need to replace lilo |
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| 23:33.34 | nsadmin | oh... where is lilo installed? and you should backup the appropriate sections of the disk |
| 23:33.41 | moldovean | anxt`, run raid on it ? |
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| 23:34.11 | anxt` | i don't care if i hose my bootloader |
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| 23:35.01 | nsadmin | in that case self-discovery is a good choice |
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| 23:35.51 | anxt` | holy shit |
| 23:35.54 | anxt` | that was easy |
| 23:36.05 | anxt` | grub-install /dev/sda |
| 23:36.12 | dondelelcaro | yerp; it usually is |
| 23:36.18 | anxt` | the box even booted |
| 23:36.26 | moldovean | anxt`, heh |
| 23:36.27 | anxt` | which is a plus |
| 23:36.37 | nsadmin | but the odd box will never boot... |
| 23:36.44 | anxt` | aparently xen and lilo don't get along so well |
| 23:36.47 | acu | it is too easy if you know it - if not you may sweat and shed tears :) |
| 23:37.20 | anxt` | ive done IT long enough to know to budget for errors and thinks going not as expected |
| 23:37.50 | moldovean | acu, < emotive: sweat and shed tears :) |
| 23:38.11 | nsadmin | yeah, I don't know that lilo knows how to boot hypervisor/dom0 |
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| 23:38.35 | acu | moldovean: emotion is the primordial force of life - without emotion nothing moves |
| 23:38.36 | anxt` | well didn't work out of the box with grub either |
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| 23:39.32 | nsadmin | you mean grub < 1.0? |
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| 23:39.42 | moldovean | acu, thou was reptilian brain .. |
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| 23:40.06 | nsadmin | what are we going to do now, brain? |
| 23:40.10 | acu | lol - indeed - the part of our brain which wins always :) |
| 23:40.11 | anxt` | gosh what the hell did they do to grub |
| 23:40.25 | nsadmin | a LOT |
| 23:40.40 | nsadmin | it's a total rewrite, and refactor |
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| 23:41.09 | anxt` | interesting |
| 23:41.15 | moldovean | !grub-pc |
| 23:41.15 | dpkg | [grub2] GNU GRUB 2 is the successor to GRUB Legacy (GNU GRUB version 0.9x), currently in development. Packaged as grub-pc (PC/BIOS version) and grub-ieee1275 (OpenFirmware version). Manual: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html . See also <grub2 squeeze>, <grub2 config>, http://wiki.debian.org/GrubTransition . #grub on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 23:41.53 | anxt` | why the heck doesn't firefox let me C-t yank urls in |
| 23:42.04 | anxt` | cua is for noobz |
| 23:42.33 | crosvera | damn, I'm getting a 403 error with lighttpd |
| 23:42.40 | crosvera | using webpy |
| 23:43.52 | nsadmin | once basic acceptance test works on a web server and you get into web programming, we're in a different realm |
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| 23:45.38 | anxt` | i thought lighty was deprecated |
| 23:45.50 | crosvera | anxt`, what do you use? |
| 23:45.58 | nsadmin | I use aolserver |
| 23:46.00 | nsadmin | and tcl |
| 23:46.16 | crosvera | http://pastebin.ca/1925502 this is my lighttpd.conf file |
| 23:46.19 | anxt` | apache 1 and apache2 |
| 23:46.23 | anxt` | and varnish |
| 23:46.43 | nsadmin | as a detergent?! |
| 23:46.54 | anxt` | cool lighhtd is still around |
| 23:46.59 | anxt` | i thought dev stopped on it |
| 23:47.18 | acu | hiku: power to the people ! - it seem that it works - |
| 23:47.24 | anxt` | varnish is ridiculously cool |
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| 23:47.50 | nsadmin | waduzido? |
| 23:48.09 | acu | screen seems preety cool - I always used vnc - but it takes too much bandwidth |
| 23:48.22 | anxt` | acu: try tmux |
| 23:48.40 | anxt` | plus, WTF were they thinking making C-A the default bind |
| 23:48.47 | nsadmin | acu: another haiku? |
| 23:49.17 | Selveste1 | acu: VNC is more for gfx interface screen is text :P |
| 23:49.26 | crosvera | so nobody can help me? |
| 23:49.39 | anxt` | crosvera: logs are more telltale |
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| 23:49.49 | acu | nsadmin: you would forgive my ignorance - I have to google haiku - it seem some japaneze technique to attain everlasting bliss :) |
| 23:49.58 | Selveste1 | crosvera: sorry m8, use Aoache |
| 23:50.20 | Selveste1 | *apache |
| 23:50.22 | nsadmin | crosvera, there are so many VERY different forms of web programming that each one deserves their own channel |
| 23:50.38 | moldovean | acu, see #haiku |
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| 23:50.55 | anxt` | i just thot something funny |
| 23:51.06 | anxt` | a pastebin crawler for passwords |
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| 23:52.02 | nsadmin | which is why it's a good thing that pastes expire |
| 23:52.45 | Selveste1 | anxt`: how the hell will put there pass on pastbin :P thats just stupid :S and i think the crawler will get a lot of "1234" and "abcd" :P |
| 23:52.59 | stew | i wonder if there are stupid people on the internet |
| 23:53.00 | jhutchins_lt | That's a potential hazard with pastebinit. |
| 23:53.23 | Selveste1 | nsadmin: only if you set it when you pastes |
| 23:53.28 | anxt` | well, ssh scans exist because of stupid passwords |
| 23:53.29 | peterrooney | I've even seen Tcl web programming |
| 23:53.43 | anxt` | i have a constant din of bruteforce attacks |
| 23:54.00 | nsadmin | peterrooney, like openacs and everything aolserver (aka nsd) |
| 23:54.22 | Selveste1 | anxt`: me to, but no success yet |
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| 23:55.07 | anxt` | Selveste1: it will be a long time before my password ends up in a dict :) |
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| 23:55.09 | anxt` | i mean who is gonna try root:panties |
| 23:55.10 | acx0 | is it possible to install debian on another computer through ssh? |
| 23:55.10 | anxt` | spelled in leet |
| 23:55.14 | dondelelcaro | acx0: yes |
| 23:55.15 | peterrooney | since moving ssh to a nonstandard port last year, have had zero (repeat, 0) login attempts |
| 23:55.24 | anxt` | i just moved to 2022 |
| 23:55.28 | anxt` | lame but effective |
| 23:55.34 | peterrooney | my password could be "god" for all they know. |
| 23:55.55 | anxt` | peterrooney: port knocking would be even more evasive |
| 23:55.57 | nsadmin | that would be totally guessable of course |
| 23:56.04 | acx0 | peterrooney, how do you check login attempts? |
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| 23:56.13 | anxt` | acx0: dmesg lol |
| 23:56.23 | anxt` | well var log messages anyhow |
| 23:56.27 | stew | acx0: /var/log/auth.log |
| 23:56.28 | Selveste1 | peterrooney: isn't "god" a strong pass XD - just a sec i have to change my root pass :P |
| 23:56.36 | acx0 | dmesg logs ssh attempts? |
| 23:56.46 | acu | OK, next logical question - is there a way to record screen sessions (Of course I know you could do history >history.txt or record the screen with istanbul - or desktop-recorder (which by the way - neither are functional in squeeze) - but is there a way to record a screen session ? |
| 23:56.48 | nsadmin | no but auth.log does |
| 23:57.18 | abrotman | acu: man script, perhaps |
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| 23:58.46 | acu | moldovean: specific open source approach - we are going to have one operating system per person - at haiku is not clear what is at its core - is it linux gnu based or what ? anyhow haiku is off topic - and have not enough neurons and time to dwell in that - if I can learn and use what I have on my plate now - it would be great |
| 23:59.08 | stew | acu: are there bugs filed for the non-functional packages? |
