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| 00:00.02 | moldovean | acu, haiku is beos based |
| 00:00.12 | acu | stew: I do not know how to look for that - but I know that neither istanbul nor desktop-recorder are working - they were not functional as two weeks ago - I can give them a swirl again |
| 00:00.32 | stew | acu: http://bugs.debian.org/packagename |
| 00:00.32 | acu | stew: I am talking about squeeze |
| 00:00.45 | stew | acu: yes, which is why its very important to check for bugs |
| 00:00.45 | moldovean | acu, aka non linux |
| 00:00.59 | nsadmin | crosvera: the biggest thing you can do to figure out what's going on is tail the web server error log and watch it when you try to access |
| 00:01.16 | crosvera | nsadmin, i did that |
| 00:01.27 | crosvera | nsadmin, http://pastebin.ca/1925504 |
| 00:01.34 | crosvera | that's the log |
| 00:02.17 | nsadmin | line 120 |
| 00:03.04 | acu | moldovean: can you go off topic for a sec - I have some questions for you |
| 00:03.26 | moldovean | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:03.39 | nsadmin | misread that as "can you go off for a sec" |
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| 00:03.48 | acu | moldovean: I am on debian-ro |
| 00:04.27 | acu | moldovean: I am in d-ro too :) |
| 00:04.34 | acu | d-ro is cooler |
| 00:05.05 | crosvera | let see |
| 00:05.09 | anxt` | could someone point me howto setup xen on squeeze? |
| 00:05.35 | crosvera | nsadmin, favicon.ico? |
| 00:05.43 | nsadmin | believe so |
| 00:05.47 | stew | anxt`: try http://wiki.debian.org/Xen |
| 00:06.03 | crosvera | mmm |
| 00:06.03 | nsadmin | does there exist /var/www/favicon.ico? |
| 00:06.03 | acu | anxt`: that is the hypevisor for virtualization ? |
| 00:06.13 | anxt` | acu, yes |
| 00:06.29 | anxt` | stew: following those instructions leaves me non functional |
| 00:06.31 | acu | I do not know how to configure it - I use qemu-kvm |
| 00:06.35 | acu | and virtual manager |
| 00:06.53 | stew | nsadmin: that would be 404 not 403, and one that is typically ignored by the browser anyway |
| 00:07.00 | acu | but as a rule - go to synaptic package manager and choose xen |
| 00:07.08 | acu | there are a lot of tools available |
| 00:07.19 | anxt` | is synaptic a gui tool? |
| 00:07.39 | nsadmin | gooey chooey |
| 00:07.43 | acu | anxt`: if you have installed gnome - you go sytem - administration - synaptic pakage manager |
| 00:07.51 | anxt` | i don't have gnome |
| 00:07.59 | anxt` | fluxbox atm lol |
| 00:08.04 | anxt` | but mostly ssh |
| 00:08.12 | nsadmin | stew: do you see something that could account for a 403? |
| 00:08.12 | acu | anxt`: aptitude then |
| 00:08.35 | anxt` | yah, the hypervisor and kernel are installed, just no light on |
| 00:08.40 | crosvera | nsadmin, no |
| 00:08.48 | crosvera | doesn't exists |
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| 00:09.12 | nsadmin | so at least line 120 states truth |
| 00:09.17 | crosvera | yeah |
| 00:09.42 | nsadmin | what happens when you find such a file and place it there? |
| 00:10.07 | stew | his browser displays an icon in the browser bar while also displaying the same 403 |
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| 00:10.59 | nsadmin | would that be called favicon.ico, or something else? |
| 00:11.23 | nsadmin | so 403 is "forbidden", so you may have a permission issue somewhere |
| 00:11.58 | crosvera | yeah |
| 00:12.07 | anxt` | i think i jsut found a pebkac error |
| 00:12.17 | crosvera | I did chown www-data to web-app folder |
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| 00:14.51 | cbrinke1 | hello, is there a way to cache the output from the "dpkg-reconfigure locales" command to be quickly run on hundreds of servers? |
| 00:15.23 | cbrinke1 | That command takes ~7mins to complete per node and I would prefer to make it a package of a tar.gz or something |
| 00:16.04 | anxt` | i would use passwordless ssh |
| 00:16.05 | nsadmin | start it on all nodes simultaneously |
| 00:16.14 | anxt` | and a for loop :) |
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| 00:16.47 | cbrinke1 | that is great, except when a new machine is added to the pool, gotta remember which have been done etc... |
| 00:16.58 | anxt` | puppet |
| 00:17.04 | anxt` | you might look at puppet |
| 00:17.09 | cbrinke1 | I am running bcfg2 but same difference |
| 00:17.49 | cbrinke1 | actually, we moved from puppet to bcfg2 because it is much better, but that has not alleviated the issue of this 7 minute long process (with a 36s check after it has completed) |
| 00:18.04 | anxt` | one issue i have with puppet is that it is written in ruby |
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| 00:18.27 | anxt` | i would like to defecate a large streaming coiler on matz |
| 00:18.28 | cbrinke1 | yeah, bcfg2 is written in python by some really awesome devs I HIGHLY recommend checking it out |
| 00:18.39 | anxt` | i am already googling it |
| 00:19.21 | anxt` | thanks cbrinke1 :) |
| 00:19.46 | anxt` | i don't actually know why i hate ruby |
| 00:19.59 | anxt` | it just makes my skin crawl |
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| 00:20.21 | cbrinke1 | it is fine, I too hate it. I have tried 3 large scale ruby deployments and _all_ of them have failed either immediately due to scaling or eventually in maintenance phase |
| 00:20.24 | anxt` | i resent the whole swarm of maladjusted textmate worshippers |
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| 00:20.40 | nsadmin | I used to like ruby, but stopped liking it because its data structures don't lend themselves well to recursion |
| 00:20.44 | anxt` | in fact i would also like to stab textmate in the eye |
| 00:21.11 | cbrinke1 | sentiment++ |
| 00:21.15 | anxt` | ruby fanboys going on about how wonderful it is, and only 35 euors |
| 00:21.40 | dondelelcaro | cbrinke1: there is a locales-all package, and you can also build a package which does something like that yourself |
| 00:21.59 | cbrinke1 | locales-all? Does that actually install the locales tho? Checking |
| 00:22.46 | anxt` | i think every server i run should have a cron to check for a payload i igned on http and execute it as root |
| 00:22.51 | anxt` | signed* |
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| 00:23.11 | anxt` | reverse golden handshake :) |
| 00:23.39 | cbrinke1 | dondelelcaro: not seeing it in my repo... :/ |
| 00:23.44 | anxt` | wow, i am lolling at my own joke |
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| 00:31.10 | cbrinke1 | dondelelcaro: I see, yes locales-all would be great, but I am running *buntu :/ and I can't seem to find their version of the same functionality... |
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| 00:32.00 | cbrinke1 | Think it would work to install sid on karmic? or would the universe collapse? |
| 00:32.51 | prince_jammys | universe would collapse. |
| 00:32.59 | cbrinke1 | lol |
| 00:33.11 | prince_jammys | the "multiverse" too. |
| 00:33.30 | prince_jammys | padam-pam. |
| 00:35.03 | fredden | When I run "</dev/null >/dev/null openssl s_client -connect mail.google.com:https" I get a fail, but when I run "</dev/null >/dev/null openssl s_client -connect mail.google.com:https -CApath /dev/null" it works. Why? |
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| 00:36.40 | dondelelcaro | fredden: works here |
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| 00:37.12 | fredden | dondelelcaro, which works? the former reports "unable to get local issuer certificate" while the latter does not |
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| 00:37.27 | fredden | I'm on debian stable (lenny) |
| 00:37.43 | Hhhh | Y |
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| 00:39.05 | fredden | "openssl version" reports: OpenSSL 0.9.8g 19 Oct 2007 |
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| 00:43.13 | dondelelcaro | fredden: for whatever reason, openssl doesn't attempt to open the certificates if you don't pass a CApath |
| 00:43.55 | dondelelcaro | fredden: if you do, it looks for them in the default location in addition to whatever you pass as a CApath. This is probably documented somewhere arcane |
| 00:46.11 | fredden | thanks dondelelcaro, that helps |
| 00:46.40 | fredden | I've just tried my above commands on a freebsd machine and get the same, so what you say makes sense |
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| 01:21.39 | BlueG1 | when moving from lenny to squeeze, how long should it take to resolve dependencies on the safe-upgrade step? It has been just resolving dependencies for well over half an hour... |
| 01:22.10 | abrotman | depends how much you have installed, and the speed of your machine, etc |
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| 01:23.53 | BlueG1 | what does this mean? "Internal error: found 2 (choice -> promotion) mappings for a single choice." |
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| 01:26.02 | abrotman | sounds like it got ocnfused and died |
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| 01:26.27 | BlueG1 | abrotman: hmm, what might cause that? |
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| 01:27.11 | abrotman | too many packages perhaps ? |
| 01:28.09 | BlueG1 | abrotman: that seems unlikely on a server with no gui... it probably has considerably fewer packages than an average desktop. |
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| 01:28.24 | abrotman | what steps did you follow |
| 01:28.32 | abrotman | !tell BlueG1 about lenny->squeeze |
| 01:28.36 | wald0 | Im doing some scripting, how to know if i have a package installed on my system ? |
| 01:28.44 | cbrinke1 | dpkg --list |
| 01:28.44 | dpkg | cbrinke1: no idea |
| 01:29.03 | wald0 | cbrinke1: problem is that the second column may show uncomplete |
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| 01:29.14 | wald0 | like long packagenames |
| 01:29.28 | abrotman | wald0: apt-cache policy foopkg | grep Installed ? |
| 01:29.51 | wald0 | abrotman: problem about locale (language) |
| 01:29.57 | BlueG1 | abrotman: that is where I got the directions I followed. |
| 01:29.59 | wald0 | is not there something like will return true or false ? |
| 01:30.54 | abrotman | wald0: grep-dctrl maybve? |
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| 01:33.15 | dondelelcaro | wald0: dpkg-query -s libc6|grep -qv 'Status: install ok installed' && echo 1; or similar |
| 01:33.43 | dondelelcaro | wald0: though that just checks to make sure that dpkg *thinks* a package is installed |
| 01:33.57 | dondelelcaro | wald0: if you're doing anything that really matters, you should check functionality |
| 01:34.34 | wald0 | i think that is ok with dpkg-query :) |
| 01:35.01 | wald0 | btw, dpkg-checkbuilddeps doesn't install unmet dependencies, is there a way to do that ? |
| 01:35.24 | dondelelcaro | wald0: use pbuilder or similar |
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| 01:42.43 | thepro4ever | how do i open a new terminal window from my current window with the same pwd? |
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| 01:45.54 | ehc | what's the correct syntax for using the not ! in bash if statements? for example in: if [! -f ~/.bashrc ]; then echo "exists"; fi |
| 01:46.42 | macrobat | thepro4ever: i guess it depends on the term |
| 01:46.45 | dondelelcaro | ehc: it's a test extension, so if [ ! -f ~/.blah ]; then ...; fi; |
| 01:46.49 | dondelelcaro | ehc: help test; for details |
| 01:47.26 | macrobat | the "[" is surrounded by space |
| 01:48.29 | macrobat | thepro4ever: urxvt -cd $(pwd)& |
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| 01:49.11 | ehc | macrobat: dondelelcaro thanks, needed that space |
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| 01:51.23 | qwd | Is it totally safe to remove packages under "Obsolete and locally created packages" in Aptitude? I see "linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-amd64" there, and I don't have any locally created packages. |
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| 01:54.08 | karlpinc | qwd: Well, if you're using them then you'd break something. But it's generally safe to remove them in that nothing else will break. |
| 01:54.36 | macrobat | you can see if those pkgs are needed by others. apt-cache rdepends |
| 01:54.48 | macrobat | dont remove a running kernel :) |
| 01:55.26 | karlpinc | qwd: And purge, not just remove, unused kernels to recover the disk space. |
| 01:57.22 | karlpinc | qwd: Note that if you've followed the upgrade process in the release notes it will tell you to clean up and remove obsolete packages. |
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| 01:59.53 | qwd | I'm running squeeze, and I installed from the squeeze alpha install disc. rdepend didn't show anything, however, uname -a seems to show that it's the kernel I'm using so maybe I shouldn't remove it just yet :) how come it's showing up as obsolete though? |
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| 02:02.55 | abrotman | qwd: that kernel is very obsolete, yes, should be removed |
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| 02:04.24 | devicenull | I'm trying to get debian netinst to start via PXE.. I see requests on the tftp server for pxelinux.0, but the machine never boots it |
| 02:04.31 | devicenull | any ideas as to what I'm not doing correclty? |
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| 02:05.04 | qwd | abrotman: even if uname -r shows "2.6.32-trunk-amd64"? |
| 02:06.02 | abrotman | qwd: aptitude install linux-image-amd64 .. reboot, choose the -5- kernel, boot up, remove the -trunk- |
| 02:08.21 | devicenull | ahha |
| 02:08.26 | devicenull | had the wrong pxelinux |
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| 02:09.12 | qwd | abrotman: thanks, will do! |
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| 02:11.49 | thepro4ever | can someone explain this to me? http://codepad.org/mg5HAJzy I have cmake in my pwd , my pwd is in my PATH , yet when I run cmake it is trying to find it /usr/bom |
| 02:11.53 | thepro4ever | can someone explain this to me? http://codepad.org/mg5HAJzy I have cmake in my pwd , my pwd is in my PATH , yet when I run cmake it is trying to find it /usr/bin |
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| 02:14.12 | thepro4ever | nevermind, when i exited the terminal and brought up a new one it worked, i don't get it |
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| 02:16.28 | abrotman | qwd: all better? |
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| 02:17.49 | qwd | abrotman: except for this error http://pastebin.com/zwJHGKDs I use LVM and encryption in case that matters. |
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| 02:18.40 | abrotman | seems like the UUID changed ? |
| 02:18.40 | stew | thepro4ever: "hash -r" to rebuild the hashtable of where commands reside in bash |
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| 02:19.45 | abrotman | qwd: did you look in /dev/disk/by-uuid/ ? |
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| 02:22.23 | qwd | abrotman: I did now, you're right, it's changed. But how do I know which one changed? /home ? I seem to be accessing it just fine now. |
| 02:22.40 | abrotman | the one tha tisn't in use ? |
| 02:24.41 | qwd | abrotman: well, only one drive wasn't mounted at startup afaik, but that one hasn't been mounted automatically before either, and I could mount it just like before. |
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| 02:25.53 | qwd | Ah, I checked fstab now, it looks like it was /boot |
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| 02:28.45 | qwd | I'll reboot again and see if the problem is solved. |
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| 02:31.08 | BlueG1 | What does a line like this mean? "open: 126595; closed: 108198; defer: 31; conflict: 76 " |
| 02:31.09 | qwd | abrotman: works like a charm, thanks! |
| 02:31.33 | abrotman | enjoy |
| 02:31.38 | BlueG1 | both open and closed appear to still be counting upwards |
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| 02:34.15 | qwd | BlueG1: http://blog.schmehl.info/Debian/releasing-squeeze-6 |
| 02:35.08 | qwd | I haven't read it myself so I don't know if the answer is there, but I remember seeing a link to that from planet.debian.org |
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| 02:38.44 | thepro4ever | cd .. |
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| 02:40.02 | twisted` | Hey, I have two versions of gcc on my system and I'd like to change the default. I know there's a tool for it but I keep forgetting it.... anyone? :) |
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| 02:41.22 | abrotman | not for the gcc .. it's a symlink .. but it's easier to export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.1 or whatever you want |
| 02:41.24 | stew | twisted`: there isn't such a tool for gcc. Its recommended that you use the CC environment variable to tell Makefiles where to find gcc |
| 02:41.50 | twisted` | hmm maybe I'm confused... oh wait yeah... it was on gentoo where there was this tool for it |
| 02:41.53 | twisted` | thanks |
| 02:42.08 | stew | hmm, I made a classic mistake of rm -rf on a chroot that had stuff bind mounted to it |
| 02:42.20 | abrotman | doh! |
| 02:42.22 | stew | it took out /dev, which is making things funky |
| 02:42.26 | stew | luckly not /home |
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| 02:43.44 | DanDare | a classical delete ;) |
| 02:44.21 | stew | and now I cannot unmount it |
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| 02:47.07 | DanDare | stew, you can try umount -l |
| 02:47.31 | DanDare | and try do stop what is using it, or just wait ? |
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| 02:52.17 | stew | DanDare: fuser -m was reporting dozens of pids using it, including 1 |
| 02:52.26 | stew | i was due for a reboot anyway |
| 02:54.13 | DanDare | well, if its not a server or any critical box 'n stuff i just go for shutdown -r now sometimes |
| 02:54.28 | DanDare | ok ok i know its not the most political correct but .... :p |
| 02:54.56 | twisted` | whoa, ok I'm on debian squeeze and I try to install iceweasel... but it's a no go it seems: iceweasel: Depends: libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.8.0) but it is not going to be installed |
| 02:55.37 | stew | twisted`: why can't you install libgtk2.0-0 |
| 02:55.56 | twisted` | stew: libgtk2.0-0: Depends: libcups2 (>= 1.4.0) but it is not going to be installed |
| 02:56.06 | stew | twisted`: why can't you install libcups2? |
| 02:56.06 | twisted` | stew: so I'm screwed right? |
| 02:56.26 | twisted` | stew: libcups2: Depends: libgssapi-krb5-2 (>= 1.7+dfsg) but it is not going to be installed |
| 02:56.36 | stew | twisted`: why can't you install libgssapi-krb5-2 ? |
| 02:56.43 | stew | (see if you can follow the pattern here) |
| 02:56.44 | twisted` | that one wants to install |
| 02:56.52 | twisted` | does debian like to play games or some crap? |
| 02:57.09 | stew | twisted`: are you using aptitude? |
| 02:57.14 | twisted` | apt-get |
| 02:57.17 | twisted` | never used anything else |
| 02:57.36 | stew | i'd recommend using aptitude |
| 02:57.53 | DanDare | it's because, because .... |
| 02:57.54 | abrotman | and make sure you update first |
| 02:57.58 | DanDare | squeeze It is the three-eyed space alien |
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| 02:58.09 | twisted` | yeah but I needed ext4 |
| 02:58.11 | twisted` | so... :) |
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| 03:00.07 | twisted` | stew: thanks |
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| 03:07.38 | versuchsanstalt | what's the package for the at scheduler, please? i am too stupid and too 5 o'clock in the morning over here to find out by myself, sorry. |
| 03:08.07 | versuchsanstalt | oh. |
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| 03:08.09 | versuchsanstalt | found it. |
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| 03:08.35 | versuchsanstalt | by trying, not by searching. should i go to sleep? hm. |
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| 03:10.44 | DanDare | versuchsanstalt, its too soon to sleep |
| 03:11.02 | versuchsanstalt | DanDare: not late enough to give up. |
| 03:11.16 | versuchsanstalt | got. to. finish. project. need. more. mate. |
| 03:11.40 | versuchsanstalt | ;) |
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| 03:21.35 | BlueG1 | These numbers just keep counting up, "open: 149482; closed: 127697; defer: 31; conflict: 76 " |
| 03:22.15 | stew | BlueG1: how long has this been going on? |
| 03:22.18 | BlueG1 | I believe something must be wrong and it seems like aptitude is not likely to ever actually complete the upgrade, but I have no idea what the problem is. |
| 03:22.33 | stew | BlueG1: are you upgrading from one release of debian to another? |
| 03:22.37 | bendbanks81 | hi i'm trying to setup a tftp server and have done' apt-get install but when i do a chkconfig tftp on i get tftp: unkown service (i have restart via inet.d) any thoughts |
| 03:23.25 | BlueG1 | stew: about two hours |
| 03:23.26 | stew | bendbanks81: chkconfig? tftp is typically run via inetd or xinetd |
| 03:23.37 | stew | BlueG1: yikes |
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| 03:24.05 | BlueG1 | stew: yes, I am trying to move a server from lenny to squeeze, following the directions from dpkg |
| 03:24.31 | BlueG1 | does anyone know what these numbers mean? |
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| 03:24.41 | stew | BlueG1: and which step are you doing? |
| 03:25.58 | bendbanks81 | okay so <stew> ./openbsd-inetd restart should then bring the service up correct |
| 03:26.07 | karlpinc | Do you have to be root to run sync (successfully)? |
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| 03:26.47 | karlpinc | bendbanks81: Yes. There's probably also a signal you can send. |
| 03:27.07 | karlpinc | bendbanks81: Use netstat -l to see if your listening on the port. |
| 03:27.25 | BlueG1 | stew: aptitude safe-upgrade |
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| 03:28.27 | bendbanks81 | okay <karlpinc> thanks for that ran command and can see my tftp is not in a state of listen |
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| 03:28.53 | karlpinc | bendbanks81: Check your logs. |
| 03:29.17 | karlpinc | bendbanks81: tail -f is your friend. |
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| 03:31.50 | bendbanks81 | okay so <karlpinc>is there something I should be specifically looking for kind of new to this |
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| 03:32.17 | karlpinc | bendbanks81: I'd expect an error message from inetd. |
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| 03:32.57 | karlpinc | bendbanks81: Or perhaps the tfptd process. |
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| 03:34.10 | Raptors | VLC failed to initialize your sound output device (if any). |
| 03:34.10 | Raptors | Please update alsa-lib to version 1.0.23-2-g8d80d5f or higher to try to fix this issue. |
| 03:34.18 | karlpinc | bendbanks81: IIRC I found it more convenient to run as a standalone daemon. YMMV. See /usr/share/doc/tftpd*/README.Debian* |
| 03:34.42 | Raptors | What's the alsa-libs package called in debian? |
| 03:34.55 | bendbanks81 | okay will look at that now thanks karlpinc |
| 03:35.24 | ScottG | What's the name of that graphical application that shows directory usage in a pie chart like thing? |
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| 03:36.14 | ScottG | I always found it a little more useful for finding stuff that is taking up space than just `du` |
| 03:36.18 | BlueG1 | Do I just need to back up data and re-install from a fresh install disk? |
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| 03:36.49 | BlueG1 | Is it not possible to migrate from Lenny to Squeeze at this time? |
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| 03:37.47 | stew | BlueG1: its certainly possible. you must have some packages installed which are confisuing aptitude |
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| 03:37.56 | stew | BlueG1: were you up to date in lenny before you started this? |
| 03:38.05 | stew | BlueG1: do you have any/many non-debian pacakges installed? |
| 03:38.10 | Raptors | bash@debian:~$ alsamixer |
| 03:38.10 | Raptors | alsamixer: error while loading shared libraries: libasound.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 03:38.15 | Raptors | :| |
| 03:38.44 | karlpinc | ScottG: Possibly gtkdiskfree. (Pie charts suck. See Edmond Tufte.) |
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| 03:39.08 | ScottG | karlpinc: baobab |
| 03:39.29 | karlpinc | ScottG: That's it. How did you find it? |
| 03:39.41 | BlueG1 | stew: yes, it was up-to-date and I don't believe any non-debian packages where installed |
| 03:39.47 | ScottG | karlpinc: #linux is faster than you :P |
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| 03:40.01 | karlpinc | ScottG: I tried debtags. |
| 03:40.20 | ScottG | Ah yea I gotta check that out again...I had it on my last system |
| 03:41.10 | karlpinc | ScottG: Between debtags and apt-file I pretty much have it covered. (If I want to really look.) |
| 03:41.12 | stew | BlueG1: you might see if you have better luck using the frontend. perhaps start by seeing if you can mark some obsolete packages for removal first |
| 03:41.31 | ScottG | karlpinc: Yea I use apt-file all the time. |
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| 03:41.49 | ScottG | Mostly to find out what packages contain binaries |
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| 03:42.35 | BlueG1 | stew: what frontend? How would you find those obsolete packages and remove them? |
| 03:42.51 | stew | BlueG1: the aptitude frontend, type "aptitude" by itself on the command line |
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| 03:44.07 | BlueG1 | oh, I am using aptitude, but I went straight to the aptitude safe-upgrade as in the instructions |
| 03:44.17 | BlueG1 | maybe I should stop aptitude and try that |
| 03:44.54 | karlpinc | BlueG1: The instructions in the release notes? |
| 03:46.36 | BlueG1 | karlpinc: no, I just followed the instructions from dpkg |
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| 03:47.35 | karlpinc | BlueG1: I could imagine that if you've backports installed that would also make problems. |
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| 03:47.52 | stew | karlpinc: typically they shouldn't |
| 03:48.01 | karlpinc | stew: Ok. |
| 03:48.23 | karlpinc | stew: I recall notes to that effect from the etch->lenny release notes. |
| 03:50.53 | Raptors | Hey guys, alsa wont start |
| 03:51.08 | Raptors | bash@debian:~/Downloads/alsa-lib-1.0.23 (2)$ alsamixer |
| 03:51.08 | Raptors | alsamixer: error while loading shared libraries: libasound.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 03:51.12 | Raptors | I have that file though |
| 03:51.18 | Raptors | /usr/lib/libasound.so.2 |
| 03:51.55 | Raptors | also have /usr/lib/libasound.so and /usr/lib/libasound.so.2.0.0 |
| 03:52.44 | stew | Raptors: what does "file $(which alsamixer)" return? |
| 03:53.04 | Raptors | /usr/bin/alsamixer: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.18, stripped |
| 03:53.56 | stew | Raptors: are you using alsa-utils other than the one that came from debian? |
| 03:54.08 | Raptors | no |
| 03:54.24 | stew | Raptors: I only ask, of course, since you are in a Downloads/alsa-lib-1.0.23 directory |
| 03:54.53 | Raptors | ya I was going to build it because vlc told me I needed alsa-libs but I though I'd hold off and ask here |
| 03:54.58 | stew | Raptors: what does "ldd $(which alsamixer) | grep libasound" return ? |
| 03:55.07 | Raptors | then i tried to start alsa and I got that error |
| 03:55.24 | Raptors | libasound.so.2 => not found |
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| 03:57.12 | Raptors | So am I screwed? |
| 03:58.49 | stew | Raptors: does "ldconfig -v | grep asound" return anything? |
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| 04:00.36 | Raptors | bash: ldconfig: command not found |
| 04:00.42 | stew | Raptors: as root |
| 04:01.08 | Raptors | http://pastie.org/1117085 |
| 04:01.25 | stew | Raptors: try alsamixer again |
| 04:01.50 | Raptors | alsamixer: error while loading shared libraries: libasound.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 04:01.53 | Raptors | same error |
| 04:03.58 | stew | Raptors: what does "file /usr/lib/libasound.so.2.0.0" return? |
| 04:04.31 | Raptors | /usr/lib/libasound.so.2.0.0: ERROR: cannot open `/usr/lib/libasound.so.2.0.0' (No such file or directory) |
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| 04:05.06 | stew | 23:51 < Raptors> also have /usr/lib/libasound.so and /usr/lib/libasound.so.2.0.0 |
| 04:05.38 | Raptors | http://pastie.org/1117091 |
| 04:06.50 | stew | Raptors: does /usr/lib/libasound.so.2.0.0 actually exist or not? note that locate is only as current as the most recent time updatedb was run |
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| 04:07.01 | Raptors | it doesn't :| |
| 04:07.12 | Raptors | what package contains it? |
| 04:07.19 | tenthirteen | libasound2 |
| 04:07.24 | stew | Raptors: what does "dpkg -S $(which alsamixer)" return ? |
| 04:07.52 | Raptors | odd, I have libasound2 installed |
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| 04:08.09 | Raptors | alsa-utils: /usr/bin/alsamixer |
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| 04:08.30 | stew | Raptors: you might "aptitude reinstall libasound2" then |
| 04:09.30 | Raptors | kk fixed that error got a new error. |
| 04:09.31 | Raptors | ALSA lib control.c:867:(snd_ctl_open_conf) Cannot open shared library /usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_ctl_pulse.so |
| 04:09.32 | Raptors | cannot open mixer: No such file or directory |
| 04:09.47 | Raptors | :\ |
| 04:10.22 | Raptors | Do I need to install pulse? |
| 04:10.39 | stew | Raptors: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 04:11.04 | Raptors | stew, what? |
| 04:12.20 | stew | dpkg: tell Raptors about apt-file |
| 04:12.32 | stew | Raptors: its a utility that you could use to see which package owns that file |
| 04:12.36 | stew | libasound2-plugins: /usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_ctl_pulse.so |
| 04:12.41 | stew | Raptors: is libasound2-plugins installed? |
| 04:13.27 | Raptors | no |
| 04:13.29 | Raptors | now it is |
| 04:14.03 | Raptors | ALSA lib pulse.c:229:(pulse_connect) PulseAudio: Unable to connect: Connection refused |
| 04:14.08 | Raptors | cannot open mixer: Connection refused |
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| 04:17.33 | Raptors | stew |
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| 04:18.56 | stew | Raptors: hey |
| 04:19.06 | Raptors | ALSA lib pulse.c:229:(pulse_connect) PulseAudio: Unable to connect: Connection refused |
| 04:19.18 | stew | i don't know anything about running pulseaudio, sorry |
| 04:19.27 | Raptors | I'm not running pulse |
| 04:19.37 | stew | yeah, which seems to be your problem |
| 04:19.39 | Raptors | that's what I get when I try to run alsamixer |
| 04:19.55 | Raptors | I'll ask on alsa I guess... |
| 04:19.55 | stew | it appears to want to connect to pulseaudio |
| 04:20.00 | Raptors | :\ |
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| 04:20.23 | nomasteryoda | wow... getting close to 900 |
| 04:24.52 | Raptors | stew, I figured out the prob, I was messing with pulse earlier and it told me to modify /etc/asound.conf so I removed it and its working now |
| 04:24.53 | Raptors | :) |
| 04:24.59 | Raptors | thanks for your hel[ |
| 04:25.03 | Raptors | help* |
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| 05:03.38 | linuxOpenSuse | hello |
| 05:04.24 | linuxOpenSuse | when i use a live cd/dvd my wireless is not recognized |
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| 05:10.27 | lap_dragon | come on sperm, lets go to the desert. |
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| 05:28.33 | PARLIAMENT | froek: well I dont actually know its IP address just its netbios name |
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| 05:28.57 | lap_dragon | i have a question |
| 05:29.04 | lap_dragon | do they have niggabytes? |
| 05:29.10 | lap_dragon | 'I want to use my slave drive. |
| 05:30.00 | PARLIAMENT | sure, applications hang all the time |
| 05:30.32 | PARLIAMENT | (☞ﾟヮﾟ)☞ |
| 05:31.39 | PARLIAMENT | they steal (clock) cycles too |
| 05:32.48 | PARLIAMENT | lap_dragon: \o |
| 05:33.11 | lap_dragon | o |
| 05:33.12 | lap_dragon | snap |
| 05:33.32 | PARLIAMENT | dont leave me hanging |
| 05:33.40 | lap_dragon | i cant respond |
| 05:33.44 | lap_dragon | sleepinbg meds |
| 05:33.48 | lap_dragon | taking effect |
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| 05:34.44 | PARLIAMENT | hah my spelling used to deteriorate too, but after like 2 years ambien doesnt affect me much anymore |
| 05:35.31 | lap_dragon | lunesta |
| 05:36.12 | ScottG | If I want to do a copy preserving as much as possible is there anything left out by doing using the -p option? |
| 05:37.07 | jpinx-eeepc | ScottG: in which command? |
| 05:37.26 | jpinx-eeepc | ScottG: there are many ways to copy . cp . rsync . dd |
| 05:37.38 | PARLIAMENT | for cp, yes stuff gets left out |
| 05:37.46 | Ikarus | ScottG: filesystem specific attributes, etc |
| 05:37.58 | ScottG | cp I mean |
| 05:38.09 | PARLIAMENT | from man: preserve the specified attributes (default: mode,ownership,timestamps), if possible additional attributes: context, links, xattr, all |
| 05:38.30 | PARLIAMENT | only the first 3 (mode ownership timestamps) are copied by -p |
| 05:38.34 | ScottG | Right |
| 05:38.37 | ScottG | What is context? |
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| 05:38.43 | PARLIAMENT | oh I dont know |
| 05:38.54 | jpinx-eeepc | ScottG: to preserve as much as possible you should use rsync |
| 05:38.56 | PARLIAMENT | maybe a selinux thing |
| 05:39.04 | PARLIAMENT | security context |
| 05:39.27 | ScottG | jpinx-eeepc: Does rsync preserve everything by default? Or does it just allow more options? |
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| 05:40.00 | jpinx-eeepc | ScottG: man rsync ;) |
| 05:40.10 | jpinx-eeepc | it can preserve everything |
| 05:40.25 | Ikarus | jpinx-eeepc: not quite even |
| 05:40.28 | Ikarus | but most yes |
| 05:40.29 | ScottG | I think a cp -pr should do the trick for now. I am going to write a script using rsync tomorrow but I'd just like to get me /home backed up overnight tonight since it's quite large. |
| 05:40.49 | Ikarus | cp --preserve=all |
| 05:41.00 | jpinx-eeepc | Ikarus: to preserve *everything* use dd |
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| 05:41.30 | PARLIAMENT | yeah if your /home is on its own partition then back it up with dd |
| 05:41.31 | ScottG | lol yea. For simplicity I thougt about just making an image of the partition but eh |
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| 05:41.51 | ScottG | PARLIAMENT: Eventually I want to make versioned backups |
| 05:41.59 | ScottG | Using diffs to accumulate versions |
| 05:42.06 | ScottG | I know I have heard of a program that can do that |
| 05:42.14 | ScottG | But I will have to look into that some other time |
| 05:43.47 | ScottG | Alright, cp started. Thanks for the help :) |
| 05:44.15 | Ikarus | ScottG: use dump |
| 05:44.36 | PARLIAMENT | man dump |
| 05:44.40 | PARLIAMENT | oops. |
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| 05:46.55 | Ikarus | dump is filesystem specific, but can do incremental backups and all sorts of tricks |
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| 05:52.45 | jigp | hello how to know if im using eth or debian lenny? |
| 05:52.59 | jigp | i want to update my flash player so i could play youtube |
| 05:53.04 | jigp | im using iceweasl |
| 05:53.16 | jigp | http://www.debianadmin.com/how-to-install-adobe-flash-in-debian-etchlennysid.html |
| 05:53.20 | jigp | i followed that |
| 05:53.46 | jpinx-eeepc | !flash |
| 05:53.46 | dpkg | Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations, ask about <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. http://wiki.debian.org/Flash |
| 05:53.49 | jpinx-eeepc | !release |
| 05:53.50 | dpkg | Lenny was released on 2009-02-14. Lenny is Debian 5.0 and is now considered "stable". Ask me about <install debian>, or <etch->lenny> to upgrade from Etch. See http://www.debian.org/releases/ or <release history> for the latest (and historical) releases. |
| 05:54.00 | jpinx-eeepc | jigp: ^^^ |
| 05:54.14 | jigp | and this is the problem when updating http://pastebin.ca/1925663 |
| 05:55.35 | jigp | !gnash |
| 05:55.35 | dpkg | Gnash is the GNU <Flash> movie player, developed from GPLFlash and part of the GNU project. The project aims to create a free software player and browser plugin. The browser plugins are packaged for Debian as mozilla-plugin-gnash and konqueror-plugin-gnash. http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ #gnash on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 06:02.53 | jigp | do i need to install swfdec too jpinx-eeepc? |
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| 06:02.59 | jigp | !swfdec |
| 06:02.59 | dpkg | Swfdec ("swiff deck") is a decoder/renderer for <Flash> animations, packaged as swfdec-gnome and swfdec-mozilla. Not actively developed, removed from Debian post-Lenny to resolve bug #571666. Ask me about <gnash>. |
| 06:03.24 | jigp | but idont use mozilla.i dont have mozilla either |
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| 06:04.19 | PARLIAMENT | mozilla plugins are what firefox/iceweasel use |
| 06:04.24 | PARLIAMENT | it's historical |
| 06:04.28 | jigp | thanks |
| 06:05.06 | jigp | perfect i can play youtube |
| 06:05.08 | jigp | thanks :) |
| 06:05.58 | jigp | hmmm |
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| 06:06.03 | jigp | youtube says Upgrade to Flash Player 10 for improved playback perfomance |
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| 06:07.26 | jigp | downloaded the tar flash 109 |
| 06:07.29 | jigp | -9 |
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| 06:23.42 | ngomes | can i copy regular ttf fonts from the internet ? |
| 06:25.09 | prince_jammys | ngomes: i do. |
| 06:25.15 | ngomes | ok |
| 06:25.17 | ngomes | ill try |
| 06:25.36 | prince_jammys | i stick 'em in .fonts/ |
| 06:25.37 | ngomes | how u do ? in .fonts dir ? |
| 06:25.42 | ngomes | ok iright |
| 06:25.56 | prince_jammys | yeah, in ~/.fonts |
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| 06:36.00 | factor | So what is the dep based boot system. |
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| 06:36.11 | factor | seems my debian squeeze just upgraded to it |
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| 06:40.42 | cahoot | http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts/DependencyBasedBoot |
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| 07:10.13 | easyfit | fireba11, that's what I do, run pg_dumpall, compress/encrypt and upload, it's a simple script to write |
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| 07:10.44 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
| 07:11.26 | ShapeShifter499 | can rhythmbox plugins work in banshee? |
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| 07:42.41 | NoReflex | Hello! I tried adding "acl png_ext url_regex -i \.png$ http_access deny !png_ext" to my reverse proxy (squid) in order to block requests for other file types than png but it does not work. any idea why? |
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| 08:26.11 | sdousley | Hi all, I have a debian server, in the UK, which is currently showing the timezone as GMT, rather than BST. anyone know how I can force this to use BST rather than GMT? |
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| 08:29.42 | bolt | sdousley: how is it "showing the timezone as GMT"? |
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| 08:30.41 | sdousley | bolt: yes, it is, I think I've found that I needed to actually run: TZ='Europe/London'; export TZ |
| 08:30.48 | sdousley | oddly tzselect didn't seem to do that for me |
| 08:31.24 | NoReflex | sdousley, dpkg-reconfigure tzdata ? |
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| 08:32.29 | sdousley | NoReflex: that seems to show the current time as Europe/London |
| 08:32.37 | sdousley | maybe that's cos it's now changed from tzselect |
| 08:32.49 | sdousley | ah, well |
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| 08:33.11 | sdousley | will keep an eye out on it in future :) Worst case I'll add the TZ='Europe/London'; export TZ to rc.local |
| 08:33.12 | NoReflex | sdousley, cat /etc/timezone |
| 08:33.25 | sdousley | NoReflex: that shows Europe/London too |
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| 08:35.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | Illuminatus, spamassassin knows several |
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| 08:39.16 | NoReflex | I tried adding "acl png_ext url_regex -i \.png$ http_access deny !png_ext" to my reverse proxy (squid) in order to block requests for other file types than png but it does not work even though this acl is first in the conf file. any idea why? |
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| 08:45.20 | HackeMate | hi, i have an acer one a110 with hard disk SSD, it's ridiculously slow and I want to test a debian installation |
| 08:45.25 | HackeMate | someone tried this sometime? |
| 08:45.44 | sponzor | test_10_15_07.jpg test_10_15_08.jpg .... i nead to extract files from 07 to 22 to folder /var/www/files how to do that? i was reading manual but no luck :P can you help me |
| 08:46.39 | NoReflex | HackeMate, which SSD? older models are ridiculously slow |
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| 08:47.05 | Revo | Whats the best way to change encryption strength with ssh? |
| 08:47.27 | Illuminatus | CutMeOwnThroat: ok thanks :) |
| 08:47.49 | Arrowmaster | Revo: i think the client handles that |
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| 08:48.46 | HackeMate | NoReflex: yes i know, it was a gift |
| 08:48.55 | HackeMate | so I want to know if there is any chance to make it work |
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| 08:55.27 | RichiH | i am rsyncing 3.5 TB from one machine to another. both are on multi-gbit and have fast raid arrays. yet, i am getting TX rates of about 10-20 MB/s. one of the cores of the CPUs of the host on which rsync is running is near/at 100% all the time, no matter if i use ssh or nfs as transport |
| 08:55.27 | RichiH | ram & cpu is ample, way oversized for something like this |
| 08:55.33 | RichiH | suggestions on how to make things faster? |
| 08:55.53 | RichiH | jelly, jelly-home: come and work your magic ;) |
| 08:57.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | sponzor, test_10_15_0{7..9}.jpg test_10_15_{10..22}.jpg and this was a question for #bash |
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| 08:57.53 | bolt | RichiH: perhaps you're doing incremental sync? whatever it's called, that feature which makes rsync sync only part of the file? it'll take some cpu time to figure out what changed |
| 08:57.53 | bolt | RichiH: with that kind of bandwidth, perhaps it's better to just resync the entire file? |
| 08:58.00 | RichiH | gah, found it |
| 08:58.06 | RichiH | i was using -avz, not av |
| 08:58.16 | bolt | RichiH: that might do it too :) |
| 08:58.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | but that should be a good idea over network? |
| 08:58.53 | bolt | CutMeOwnThroat: not if the network is faster than the read/write speed of the drives |
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| 08:59.26 | RichiH | CutMeOwnThroat: we are talking two pretty beefy NAS on multi-gbit which which are about 10 meters from each other |
| 08:59.36 | RichiH | compression can not possibly help |
| 08:59.44 | grondilu | Hi, I'm using sid and I've noticed vim is not compiled with the '+python' option. How could I get it ? Should I recompile the source ? |
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| 09:00.02 | RichiH | grondilu: if you do, look at vim-extended |
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| 09:00.14 | RichiH | it's a git repo with a few patches you can pick & choose from |
| 09:00.26 | RichiH | though 7.3 took care of a few of those, iirc |
| 09:00.55 | RichiH | it's basically a staging area for patches bram is not comfy with just yet but which work reasonably well |
| 09:00.59 | grondilu | 'apt-cache search vim-extended' gives nothing |
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| 09:01.06 | RichiH | yah |
| 09:02.40 | RichiH | grondilu: you need to compile that one from source. but you get to mix the patches you want |
| 09:02.50 | RichiH | grondilu: i am looking for the url |
| 09:03.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | so what's +python supposed to do? |
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| 09:04.55 | grondilu | I assume it allows me to execute python code in a vim script |
| 09:06.10 | grondilu | which would be neat if it allows me to import standard python modules. |
| 09:06.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | do you have vim-gtk installed? |
| 09:06.35 | grondilu | no |
| 09:06.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt-cache show vim-gtk |
| 09:06.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | This package contains a version of vim compiled with a GTK2 GUI and support for scripting with Perl, Python, Ruby, and Tcl. |
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| 09:07.46 | grondilu | ho indeed |
| 09:07.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's a transitional package vim-python in lenny, which already only points to vim-gtk |
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| 09:08.35 | grondilu | I would have prefer not to install a gtk version since I don't use gvim, but anyway, I'll give it a try. |
| 09:08.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | kind of sucks to remove this transitional package... makes finding vim-gtk much harder |
| 09:08.58 | NoReflex | HackeMate, it will probbaly work (installing debian on it) but if the disk is slow so will debian when accessing your disk |
| 09:09.04 | NoReflex | which model of SSD? |
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| 09:10.38 | grondilu | oh there is a vim-nox that seems to be what I'm looking for ! |
| 09:10.38 | HackeMate | 8gb, the original one, i didnt checked it yet |
| 09:10.50 | HackeMate | im waiting to the 1.8zif hard disk though |
| 09:11.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | you should already have that |
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| 09:12.08 | grondilu | has installed vim-nox, and now can execute :python |
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| 09:13.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | grobe0ba, then you must have had vim-tiny before |
| 09:13.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | I wondered about that... |
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| 09:15.47 | yow | hi room |
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| 09:19.04 | n00b0tr0n | hi there yow |
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| 09:20.28 | yow | hi n00b0tr0n |
| 09:20.50 | yow | n00b0tr0n, do u know if it's a common practice to setup ram disk and use it as /tmp for (database) servers? any pros & cons? what's the recommended size? |
| 09:21.42 | yow | n00b0tr0n, i have 4GB of ram at the moment and may upgrade later, and, i have two 500gb sata hard drives |
| 09:22.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | yow, linux caches all reads from disk anyway, as long as there's unused RAM, so this doesn't seem too useful |
| 09:22.58 | yow | Cueball, thx |
| 09:23.11 | yow | CutMeOwnThroat, sorry & thx |
| 09:23.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | close :-P |
| 09:23.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, that's the closest factoid I can think of right now... |
| 09:23.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | !free RAM |
| 09:23.42 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
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| 09:25.45 | yow | CutMeOwnThroat, someone told me to use ram disk in order to avoid disk activity hence to speed up the system, u think it's not much different? |
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| 09:27.09 | raiffa | $USERNAME is the username... and what is the variable for group? |
| 09:27.25 | raiffa | primary group at least |
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| 09:27.34 | yow | !swapwake |
| 09:27.34 | dpkg | After hibernation, you can load back into memory as much as possible from swap and also load files back into the kernel's file cache to help reduce the disk thrashing that occurs when waking up after suspend-to-disk (although this doesn't seem to be needed with the kernels in lenny onwards): cat `cat /proc/[0-9]*/maps | grep / | sed 's:.* /:/:' | grep -v /dev | sort -u` > /dev/null |
| 09:28.45 | yow | CutMeOwnThroat, do u know what the /tmp partition size ought to be? |
| 09:28.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | yow, i think you only have so much ram around and reserving some for caching certain disk accesses only blocks it from others and probably doesn't improve things |
| 09:28.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | *to go around |
| 09:29.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | you could always try and see, of course |
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| 09:30.01 | yow | CutMeOwnThroat, thx. i do aware that 4gb is not enough for a busy (mysql/pgsql) database server. |
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| 09:32.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, I haven't had a separate /tmp in ages :) and it would depend on your use of it |
| 09:32.18 | nordin | use htop to get the right RAM info. |
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| 09:34.08 | yow | CutMeOwnThroat, i'm considering to have /tmp on its own partition in order to avoid some foul processes fill up the entire system, esp / |
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| 09:52.55 | cirwin | Does anyone know where I start looking to add an mdash to my AltGr keyboard? Current AltGr+- = \, which isn't very useful. |
| 09:53.33 | yow | nordin, thx for the info but what i want to know is not the info of the ram but the amount of space to allocate to the /tmp partition (for a mysql/pgsql database server) |
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| 10:02.19 | pingvinchik | occassionaly, i can't login into a machine via ssh becuase the load is so high |
| 10:02.19 | pingvinchik | any ideas to protect against this? |
| 10:02.33 | NoReflex | pingvinchik, what is causing the load? |
| 10:02.33 | cirwin | pingvinchik: move ssh to a non-default port |
| 10:02.38 | cirwin | the number of failed logins I got went down from a few thousand a day to none |
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| 10:03.02 | pingvinchik | NoReflex: web server being hit by lots of traffic :) |
| 10:03.22 | pingvinchik | cirwin: that's not my problem |
| 10:03.28 | cirwin | so I now gather :) |
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| 10:03.52 | cirwin | that must either be an epic website or a crumby server ;) |
| 10:03.54 | NoReflex | pingvinchik, you could try rate limiting or if you have other machines - load balancing |
| 10:04.11 | cga | or switch to nginx :P |
| 10:04.43 | NoReflex | pingvinchik, squid could help you with caching if your website has lots of static content |
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| 10:05.11 | zaba141 | Hello |
| 10:05.39 | pingvinchik | sure, there are lots of ways i can decrease the load |
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| 10:05.48 | pingvinchik | my main priority at the moment is making sure i can still login with ssh |
| 10:05.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | pingvinchik, hm, are you using passwords? |
| 10:05.57 | blup | is xmodmap default in debian distros? |
| 10:06.03 | pingvinchik | CutMeOwnThroat: no |
| 10:06.04 | blup | i'm getting a 'command not found' |
| 10:06.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | all right... was wondering if keys would give you better experience |
| 10:06.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | !installit |
| 10:06.37 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 10:06.40 | zaba141 | I have a question gets the information from the logs named for such a 'DOMAIN.COM / MX / IN' denied what can I do this? |
| 10:07.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell blup -about apt-file |
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| 10:07.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | blup it's in x11-xserver-utils |
| 10:07.33 | xdr | bah, my hdmi output is not working :( |
| 10:07.35 | xdr | is there any difference configuring xorg in 1.8? |
| 10:08.17 | blup | CutMeOwnThroat: so if i apt-get x11-xserver-utils its fixed? |
| 10:08.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | pingvinchik, if it's because packets get dropped on the net there's not much you can do except for a 2nd interfae |
| 10:08.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | blup, apt-get install x11-xserver-utils |
| 10:08.50 | blup | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks! |
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| 10:13.45 | Gijs | root@svr:~# iptables -A ISPCP_INPUT --dport 7000 -s 12.34.567.890 --destination 188.10.40.17 -j REJECT |
| 10:13.45 | Gijs | iptables v1.4.2: Unknown arg `(null)' |
| 10:13.49 | Gijs | whats wrong? |
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| 10:16.15 | blup | CutMeOwnThroat: would you know how to do a keymapping on debian? on ubuntu it worked fine, but on debian i'm now getting: xmodmap: unable to open display '' |
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| 10:18.28 | mryanbrown | working on getting he tunelbroker pptp working, got pptp-linux installed chaps, peers, and options file set. the tutorial i read recomended added if up/down to /etc/ppp/ip-up and /etc/ppp/ip-down but id prefer to say make an /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/he.net script what im reading says i need to create /etc/ppp/ip-up.local and then add a reference to /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/he.net in the ip-up.local. sound right? |
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| 10:18.41 | weissbier | hi |
| 10:19.31 | weissbier | how can i tell initrd to not to do a disk resume |
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| 10:20.39 | blup | CutMeOwnThroat: nevermind, got it working :) |
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| 10:26.04 | weissbier | ah, got it, noresume in kernel cmdline |
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| 10:38.32 | Karen_m | is this page still correct? http://wiki.debian.org/Ext4 ... where debian's kernel is 2.6.30 |
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| 10:42.33 | jelly | Karen_m: which debian release are you planning to use? |
| 10:42.47 | Karen_m | i do have mkfs.ext4 on my system, so who knows if that is correct |
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| 10:42.59 | jelly | Karen_m: there is 2.6.32 for debian 5.0 on backports.org. |
| 10:43.01 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 10:43.01 | Karen_m | 2.6.30-bpo.2-amd64 #1 SMP Thu Dec 10 12:32:34 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 10:43.03 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.35-trunk-686 (2.6.35-1~experimental.2); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-21); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-20); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-24lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 10:43.32 | jelly | Karen_m: /msg dpkg bpo kernel |
| 10:43.44 | jelly | Karen_m: the one you have is outdated. |
| 10:44.00 | Karen_m | Yes i must reboot sometime :) |
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| 10:44.55 | jelly | Karen_m: thing ought to work as long as you don't put ext4 on / or /boot, then you might have additional things to configure or boot issues |
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| 10:46.51 | Karen_m | where are the documents again, so that I can read what each bpo kernel change addresses? /usr/local/doc/ I thought |
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| 10:47.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | /usr/share/doc/package-name |
| 10:47.35 | jelly | Karen_m: /usr/share/doc/packagename/changelog.Debian* ? |
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| 10:48.41 | Karen_m | strange, I just did an aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade and I am still on bpo 2 versus bpo.5 |
| 10:48.47 | Karen_m | i must do what dpkg said |
| 10:49.49 | Karen_m | i have backports in source.list |
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| 10:50.41 | Karen_m | oh I have to install the different package! |
| 10:50.42 | Karen_m | lol |
| 10:50.45 | jelly | Gijs: is there an ISPCP_INPUT table. Where did you specify a protocol (-m tcp -p tcp, for example). 12.34.567.890 is obviously not a valid IPv4 address. |
| 10:51.00 | Karen_m | i have linux-image-2.6.30-bpo.2-amd64 installed :) |
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| 10:51.10 | Karen_m | i need linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.5-amd64 |
| 10:51.18 | jelly | !win Karen_m |
| 10:51.18 | dpkg | Congratulations, Karen_m! You have won a one way ticket to Nova Scotia! |
| 10:52.01 | Karen_m | jelly, let me tear it up now! I am from back east, New Brunswick and I am not going back to NS,NB, or anywhere back there lol |
| 10:52.07 | Karen_m | west is best |
| 10:52.14 | Karen_m | !win jelly |
| 10:52.14 | dpkg | Congratulations, jelly! You have won the US presidency! |
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| 10:52.24 | jelly | what a shitty job |
| 10:52.51 | ongolaBoy | :) |
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| 10:53.26 | Karen_m | jelly, did I install the wrong package to begin with, that will not track newer releases of the kernel from bpo? |
| 10:53.50 | Karen_m | should I have installed linux-image-amd64 , I see it references bpo5 |
| 10:54.04 | jelly | Karen_m: tbh I don't know if there exists any package tracking bpo kernels |
| 10:54.21 | jelly | ,versions linux-image-amd64 --arch amd64 |
| 10:54.22 | SOUL_OF_R00T | nice day to all |
| 10:54.22 | judd | linux-image-amd64 -- etch: 2.6.18+6etch3; etch-security: 2.6.18+6etch3; etch-backports: 2.6.26+17~bpo40+2; lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.6.32+27~bpo50+1; sid: 2.6.32+28; squeeze: 2.6.32+28 |
| 10:54.40 | jelly | yeah, looks sensible |
| 10:54.52 | Karen_m | but how do I tell it that I want lenny-backports version? |
| 10:55.07 | jelly | Karen_m: you'd have to pin it |
| 10:55.18 | Karen_m | ok let me google, merci! |
| 10:55.39 | jelly | Karen_m: backports.org -> Instructions |
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| 10:57.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | Karen_m, just do aptitude install linux-image-amd64 -t bpo? |
| 10:57.32 | Karen_m | I did : apt-get -t lenny-backports install linux-image-amd64 and it is going! |
| 10:57.33 | Karen_m | yay |
| 10:57.51 | Karen_m | -t bpo works with aptitude? |
| 10:57.56 | Karen_m | new one for me, thank you! |
| 10:58.23 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: by itself, that won't keep it up to date. |
| 10:58.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | no... actually depends on what you have in your sources.list, actually |
| 10:58.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, I never said so |
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| 10:58.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | but you don't want kernel changes to happen automatically anyway |
| 10:58.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | at least _I_ don't want them to happen except when I say so |
| 10:59.07 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: |
| 10:59.07 | jelly | [12:53] <Karen_m> jelly, did I install the wrong package to begin with, that will not track newer releases of the kernel from bpo? |
| 10:59.08 | mryanbrown | 58% [Connecting to security.debian.org (2001:4f8:8:36::6)] |
| 10:59.08 | mryanbrown | just sitting there :/ |
| 10:59.38 | mryanbrown | oh joy 137B/s thats why |
| 11:00.03 | Karen_m | mryanbrown, deep packet inspection or google's super-lane-highway? :) |
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| 11:00.54 | mryanbrown | I'm blaming Cox |
| 11:01.45 | mryanbrown | Fetched 1316B in 4min1s (5B/s) |
| 11:01.46 | mryanbrown | ROFL! |
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| 11:05.13 | joltcan | sounds like a bad ipv6 connection to me |
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| 11:05.32 | xgorg | I want to install a minimal xserver on my server for opening openoffice only. how to do that from a normal/minimal install? "aptitude install xserver-xorg" didnt do the trick.. cant "startx" |
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| 11:10.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | !install x |
| 11:10.35 | dpkg | To install X in Debian Etch or later: "aptitude update && aptitude install xorg". You may also want to install a desktop environment - ask me about <install gnome>, <install kde>, <install xfce>, <install lxde> - or a window manager, ask me about <window manager>. To reconfigure your X server, ask me about <drxx>. |
| 11:11.23 | abrotman | xgorg: you want aptitude install xorg |
| 11:11.25 | mryanbrown | i prefer slim x :P xorg-server & wmaker |
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| 11:12.14 | xgorg | abrotman ok, thanks a lot :) ill try that |
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| 11:13.42 | n00b0tr0n | hi there... Am I the only one who has problems connecting to http://debian.org? |
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| 11:13.52 | abrotman | works here |
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| 11:14.11 | n00b0tr0n | da |
| 11:14.13 | n00b0tr0n | nm |
| 11:15.21 | xgorg | abrotman: xorg was what I looked for, thanks a lot! |
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| 11:17.15 | n00b0tr0n | can anyone think about why I cannot connect to http://debian.org through my browser? |
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| 11:18.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | I already said that! |
| 11:18.30 | abrotman | n00b0tr0n: can you connect to other website s? |
| 11:18.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | or let dpkg say it |
| 11:18.44 | n00b0tr0n | abrotman: Yes I can.. |
| 11:18.59 | at0m | hi, for some reason my dhcpd keeps sending some old IP to one of my machines. "grep -rH $thatIP /etc/" doesn't return any files. Where could isc-dhcp-server (or could it be avahi?) be getting that old IP address? |
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| 11:19.37 | at0m | second thing that makes me wondering there, is that the dhcp client service on that (winXP) machine is disabled eh |
| 11:19.53 | at0m | so it shouldnt be sending requests at all |
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| 11:20.14 | at0m | the actual ip is set in the dhcpd server /etc/hosts |
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| 11:25.59 | tishammer | hello folks |
| 11:27.19 | tishammer | i'm trying to sync two directories with rsync. the problem is that both dirs are links. so what my rsync command does, is to make them point to the same directory. what i want, though, is to synch the content of the linked files. i'm doing rsync -az -e ssh /path/dir/ host:/path/ |
| 11:28.03 | abrotman | which version of rsync? |
| 11:28.18 | tishammer | 3.0.3 |
| 11:28.47 | abrotman | that's the debian version string ? |
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| 11:30.30 | abrotman | did you look in the rsync man page and look for the keyword 'symlink'. There is an option to convert the symlink to a file |
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| 11:31.17 | tishammer | i'm looking at it |
| 11:32.16 | tishammer | i was thinking about -L |
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| 11:55.22 | mryanbrown | ugh |
| 11:55.30 | mryanbrown | trying to route ipv6 tunnel though a pptp tunnel -_- |
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| 11:57.48 | b52 | hey guys, can i shrink the underlying partition of a mdraif afte i shrinked that one as well? |
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| 11:59.14 | gypsymauro | how to instsall kde on squeeze? |
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| 12:02.28 | pallgone | http://wiki.debian.org/KDE |
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| 12:06.59 | gypsymauro | tanx pallgone |
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| 12:10.17 | greenmang0 | hello friends, how can i determine if my CPU is 64bit or 32bit using command? |
| 12:10.33 | abrotman | cat /proc/cpuinfo .. look for 'lm' in the flags area |
| 12:11.04 | greenmang0 | abrotman: thanks! |
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| 12:16.35 | pallgone | gypsymauro: np |
| 12:18.28 | mryanbrown | working on getting he tunelbroker pptp working, got pptp-linux installed chaps, peers, and options file set. the tutorial i read recomended added if up/down to /etc/ppp/ip-up and /etc/ppp/ip-down but id prefer to say make an /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/he.net script what im reading says i need to create /etc/ppp/ip-up.local and then add a reference to /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/he.net in the ip-up.local. sound right? |
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| 12:25.42 | greenmang0 | abrotman: i checked 2 servers and both show 'lm' (long mode) in /proc/cpuinfo, but when i try to add 15 years to year 2026 i get 1970 on one system while 2041 (the right answer) on the other one |
| 12:25.53 | greenmang0 | abrotman: i am using strtotime function of php |
| 12:26.13 | greenmang0 | abrotman: i just checked manual for that function |
| 12:26.35 | greenmang0 | abrotman: its says on 64bit systems one can get correct output |
| 12:26.48 | greenmang0 | abrotman: but not on 32bit |
| 12:29.17 | mryanbrown | the one that gave you 1970... is it a x86 or x64 build |
| 12:29.20 | abrotman | greenmang0: what is 'uname -a' say ? |
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| 12:31.27 | greenmang0 | abrotman: oh... i got it... on one system kernel is i686 and on another on it is x86_64 |
| 12:31.30 | greenmang0 | thanks!! |
| 12:31.39 | abrotman | enjoy |
| 12:32.08 | abrotman | though .. it should still be able to deal with it |
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| 12:34.50 | ali3n0 | hi folks |
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| 12:36.19 | ali3n0 | how do I manage the new dependency based boot sequencing on squeeze? update-rc.d? |
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| 12:36.19 | michalxo | !bugs |
| 12:36.22 | dpkg | error: could not parse |
| 12:36.37 | ali3n0 | I'd like to start up a network service (maradsn) after another service (openvpn), because I want to bind to the tun interface |
| 12:36.41 | gypsymauro | there is a tool like freenx for linux? I mean I'm trying to install freenx on squeeze and I've a long list of errors and seems that the are unresolveable http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg798874.html, there is something like freenx? |
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| 12:40.52 | jelly | !tell gypsymauro about freenx |
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| 12:42.08 | mooglenorph | !tell mooglenorph about freenx |
| 12:42.44 | abrotman | !tell mooglenorph about selftell |
| 12:43.02 | abrotman | michalxo: are you looking for something ? |
| 12:43.23 | mooglenorph | abrotman: oh, cool. thanks. sorry about that. |
| 12:43.59 | radekl | got problem with installing gnome. dpkg throws warning that he couldn't find list of files for package iso-codes, and it hangs on it |
| 12:44.13 | radekl | on unpacking packet iso-codes_all |
| 12:44.21 | radekl | can't even abort it |
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| 12:47.43 | radekl | any ideas how to solve that problem? |
| 12:48.45 | ali3n0 | !tell me about selftell |
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| 12:49.13 | abrotman | radekl: pastebin please (paste.debian.net) |
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| 12:55.12 | Cisien | how can i set the MTU for a DHCP interface? Just add mtu xxxx to the /etc/network/interfaces file? |
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| 12:58.09 | michalxo | abrotman I was going to fill a bug in squeeze... but I added TOTALLY wrong info to bug... (packages etc..) how to correct it? |
| 12:58.12 | abrotman | Cisien; something like that .. man interfaces |
| 12:58.18 | abrotman | michalxo: append the bug |
| 12:58.20 | michalxo | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=594496 |
| 12:58.57 | michalxo | via reportbug SW? |
| 12:58.57 | michalxo | or webpage |
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| 12:59.24 | abrotman | michalxo: you can just send an email to 594496@bugs.debian.org |
| 13:00.16 | michalxo | what packages info is viable about suspend-ing problem on laptop? which packages to include? |
| 13:00.24 | djura-san | \o_ |
| 13:01.35 | abrotman | !tell michalxo about suspend troubleshooting |
| 13:01.41 | michalxo | thanks |
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| 13:02.59 | pikudoz | gypsymauro: FreeNX-0.7.3 'Priscilla One Year Edition' out (support for NoMachine 3.2.0 and shadow support) FreeNX requires !M NXlibs (GPL) - Rel.Notes: http://tinyurl.com/cqmaq3 - FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/nomfaq http://freenx.berlios.de/info.php |
| 13:04.44 | jelly | !sing sussudio |
| 13:04.44 | dpkg | sings "Su, su, sudio...Su, su, sussudio" |
| 13:05.36 | pseubodot | *g* |
| 13:05.50 | abrotman | hides from pseubodot |
| 13:06.04 | abrotman | !sing abrotman |
| 13:06.04 | dpkg | Oh, do you know abrotman, abrotman, abrotman. Oh, do you know abrotman, he lives on Drury Lane... |
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| 13:07.09 | pseubodot | aha! |
| 13:07.24 | pseubodot | so we meet again, abrotman |
| 13:07.41 | abrotman | looks for the posse! |
| 13:07.56 | pseubodot | (sound of light sabre starting) |
| 13:08.01 | pseubodot | the circle is now complete ... |
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| 13:08.24 | mryanbrown | offhand, this seems reasonable right... /etc/network/interfaces first load eth0 with router assigned ip, then load pptp and route through router ip, then load ipv6 to4 tunnel through pptp through eth0? |
| 13:08.34 | kervizic | quelqu'un a un server dns public sous la main ? j'ai l'impression que le 8.8.8.8 de google ne repond plus de chez moi |
| 13:08.37 | abrotman | !fr |
| 13:08.37 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
| 13:08.57 | abrotman | pseubodot: oh come on, you know your saber is canadian .. it probably just goes "Eh" when it hits another |
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| 13:09.05 | pseubodot | ben oui |
| 13:09.06 | kervizic | i'm sorry |
| 13:09.15 | abrotman | kervizic: but in general, you can use your ISP DNS |
| 13:09.16 | pseubodot | kervizic: don't be. you won;'t know till you ask |
| 13:09.21 | mryanbrown | someone need to make a google translator bot eggdrop |
| 13:09.27 | mryanbrown | !translate.fr some text |
| 13:10.10 | kervizic | abrotman, yes but i use the vpn of ovh, my dns doesn't work with them |
| 13:10.33 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 13:10.52 | kervizic | pseubodot, i'm sorry i have write on the wrong chan |
| 13:11.56 | pseubodot | kervizic: no problem |
| 13:12.46 | kervizic | have you a nameserver public IP for me ? the 8.8.8.8 of Google.com dosen't work at home |
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| 13:13.08 | NoReflex | kermit, opendns: 208.67.222.222, 208.67.220.220 |
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| 13:13.10 | grondilu | Hi, I'm trying to use wikipediafs and I keep getting a "permission denied" when I try to set my connection login and password in config.xml. Anonymous login is ok though. |
| 13:13.13 | grondilu | here is my config.xml : http://dpaste.com/234314/ |
| 13:13.17 | stew | kervizic: doesn't your isp give you some? |
| 13:14.00 | NoReflex | kervizic, opendns: 208.67.222.222, 208.67.220.220 |
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| 13:14.29 | gypsymauro | tanx pikudoz |
| 13:14.31 | kervizic | NoReflex, good reflex ;) thank you |
| 13:14.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, any opinions on converting from mbox format to ... mix format? |
| 13:14.40 | NoReflex | kervizic, yw |
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| 13:15.32 | AlexC_ | morning |
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| 13:16.18 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: mbox is bad .. isn't that enough of a reason ? |
| 13:16.24 | AlexC_ | I'm compling and making a .deb package here, in my 'docs' file it lists all of the doc files, however these are put into /usr/share/doc/package - yet the prefix I have is /opt/package, is this correct behaviour? |
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| 13:17.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, dunno :) It more or less worked for me the last... 10 years or so |
| 13:17.22 | abrotman | pop3 user? |
| 13:17.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | no... had my *ahem* own mail server... well, not really mine |
| 13:17.49 | unkmar | how would I wake up a laptop. Opening the lid and pressing buttons isn't working. |
| 13:18.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | and ran pine on it locally via ssh |
| 13:18.15 | stew | AlexC_: yes, this is expected. If you want something different, copy the files where you want them yourself, perhaps with install manually or with dh_install, instead of using dh_installdocs |
| 13:18.15 | unkmar | what can I send it via remote. The screen is WHITE. |
| 13:18.25 | sep | unkmar, tried the power button ? |
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| 13:18.41 | unkmar | sep, that will turn it off. |
| 13:18.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, the question only came up since alpine... I think pine only did mbox anyway |
| 13:18.47 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: only thing i'll say is that getting alpine to work with maildir doesn't exist IIRC, so you have to use IMAP to access it |
| 13:18.49 | sep | personaly a cold shower and a few coffe cups works |
| 13:18.58 | abrotman | or doesn't easily exist |
| 13:19.19 | at0m | unkmar: anything on the desktop you still need? if not, Ctl-Alt-Backpspace |
| 13:19.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, oh? I thought I read some time ago that that's what they suggest you use for alpine |
| 13:19.25 | AlexC_ | stew: that's ok, I don't mind them being there - was just confused by the behaviour |
| 13:19.36 | stew | AlexC_: this is where debian policy says they must go |
| 13:19.36 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=405762 .. so in the end, you use imap to access your mail store |
| 13:19.42 | at0m | unkmar: i suspect the gfx driver or X doesnt wake up well... |
| 13:19.47 | AlexC_ | stew: excellent - thanks |
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| 13:20.29 | unkmar | atomx: Yes, I wasted those items. and NO, that wouldn't have worked. it doesn't respond to the keyboard when it is like that. |
| 13:20.57 | at0m | unkmar: i believe it does, but you're just not seeing anything happen |
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| 13:21.06 | unkmar | sep, I hit the powerbutton. it shut off just as I expected. It doesn't sleep or hibernate. just blanks the screen. |
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| 13:21.54 | unkmar | so, it gives the shutdown command. I'll see about disabling poweroff that way in the near future but that still won't resolve my issue. I gotta switch back to the "nvidia" drivers and live without hibernation. |
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| 13:22.11 | at0m | unkmar: i bet you can Ctl-Alt-F1, log in as root then reboot from there - blindly. or keep that power switch pressed a bit longer to let it shut down instead of sleep/standby |
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| 13:24.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, ah, ok, thanks - so I'm not in a hurry, then :) looks a bit like a can 'o worms - but the bug is from around 2007 |
| 13:24.33 | ScottG | I'm looking to do some incremental versioned backing-up of my entire laptop. What would you recommend? So far I have heard of `dump` and `rdiff-backup`. Could someone recommend one over the other or possibly recommend a better program? |
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| 13:26.35 | _d9 | hey guys, can you help me fix a postgresql problem? If I try to start postgresql I get an error. |
| 13:26.46 | _d9 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:27.13 | SlayerXP | _d9: my guess would be that the cluster is owned by user id 117 which does not exist any more. |
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| 13:27.46 | c03 | hello |
| 13:27.51 | _d9 | I only reinstalled postgresql |
| 13:27.58 | c03 | What's the easiest way to copy a system to another machine? |
| 13:28.10 | tarzeau | c03: clone the disk with dd? |
| 13:28.13 | NoReflex | c03, dd :D |
| 13:29.01 | AlexC_ | stew: sorry to ask you directly, though you seem to know about FHS. If something normally gets installed to /usr/share/php - when I am installing to /opt/php53 should that go in /opt/php53/usr/share/php or /opt/php53/share/php? Basically does it still need the /usr/ prefix? |
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| 13:29.42 | unkmar | at0m: that was exactly my point. NO, I couldn't Ctrl-Alt-F1 or any other key. |
| 13:29.54 | _d9 | If I change postgres to user id 117 I get group error. If I change group id to 123 I get this:could not access private key file "server.key": Permission denied |
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| 13:30.04 | sep | unkmar, dunno in only hibernate never sleep for a similar reason i think |
| 13:30.13 | unkmar | at0m: if that had worked, i wouldn't have hadd to switch from F1 to F7 and all would be good. |
| 13:31.09 | unkmar | I goto sleep with my laptop running in the bed with me. Sometimes leave it running will driving. I'd like to close the lid without getting locked out of my system. |
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| 13:33.10 | unkmar | just as I suspected, now that I have the nvidia drivers instead of nv, I can close the lid and open without the hangup. |
| 13:33.28 | unkmar | but now I won't be able to hibernate. |
| 13:33.37 | stew | AlexC_: FHS says little about opt other than "its a place for the system administrator to put stuff. so the os shouldn't touch it" |
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| 13:34.17 | AlexC_ | stew: indeed, lacking information. I just need a place to put multiple version of PHP - and this seems the best (was recommended to me as well) |
| 13:34.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, have you read that bug? |
| 13:35.01 | AlexC_ | and yes, this is around my 6th day of trying to create a package for PHP =) |
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| 13:35.24 | jordanm | and I seem to have answered this same question yesterday.... |
| 13:35.43 | stew | when the debian package puts stuff into /usr/share/php or /usr/llb/php, that is using the prefix "/usr", of you are going to be installing multiple versions, you'll probably have prefixes of /opt/php53 and opt/php52 or something, therfore having files in /opt/php53/share, /opt/php53/lib, etc |
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| 13:36.31 | AlexC_ | stew: most good, that's what I need to know. Thanks |
| 13:37.08 | jordanm | AlexC_: deb packages should not be touching /opt. from what I understand, if you remove all your packages that are installed in /opt, dpkg will try to remove the /opt directory itself |
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| 13:37.53 | AlexC_ | jordanm: this isn't a package that will be distrubuted though, remember |
| 13:38.30 | AlexC_ | purely for internal use on our servers. The only reasons I'm making a package is to make my life easier, and to save having development files on our production servers |
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| 13:40.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, seems crazy... he "doesn't care what people do with his patch" but he doesn't want it licensed under any license and he complains if someone applies the patch? |
| 13:40.48 | c03 | that's caring |
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| 13:43.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | c03, you can read it yourself... http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=405762 |
| 13:43.42 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: yes .. it is weird |
| 13:43.57 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: i've looked at it a few times .. just trying to make sense of it all :) |
| 13:44.56 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: so your choices are 1) webmail 2) mutt 3) alpine via IMAP |
| 13:45.01 | abrotman | or something else i haven't thought of yet? |
| 13:45.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, stick with mbox :) |
| 13:46.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually it's not sure what the pine-patch does |
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| 13:48.10 | jordanm | 4) emacs? |
| 13:49.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, masochism |
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| 13:50.32 | rdz | hi all. the package libapache2-mod-shib2 installs the file /etc/init.d/shibd. now i screwed up that file and i would like dpkg to install the package again. "aptitude reinstall package" doesn't install that file, though. also "dpkg-reconfigure package" doesn't. what am i missin? |
| 13:50.46 | jordanm | !confmiss |
| 13:50.46 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 13:51.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, thanks for that bug |
| 13:52.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | although there's another 30 minutes of my life gorn |
| 13:52.40 | rdz | jordanm, many thanks |
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| 13:55.38 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: mbox really is awful .. but it's up to you |
| 13:56.32 | jordanm | whats so aweful about it? |
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| 13:57.10 | jordanm | besides corruption of a single file taking out all your email... or them taking quite a bit of time to open up when in the multi-GB range... |
| 13:57.50 | stew | delete one mail means you have to rewrite the rest of the file |
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| 13:58.53 | jordanm | stew: even if its from the bottom of the file? |
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| 14:00.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | jordanm, it's also slow when it's in the x*100MB size range |
| 14:02.26 | stew | jordanm: no, hopefully not. but you see my point |
| 14:02.41 | jordanm | yes |
| 14:02.49 | jordanm | I might switch to maildir one of these days |
| 14:03.20 | abrotman | use mbox with webmail, delete an email from the middle of the file |
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| 14:04.27 | Days` | Hello, i would like to know if the libs under /lib/tls are the same libs that are in /lib, but with "--with-tls" configuration flag ? |
| 14:04.29 | Days` | :) |
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| 14:05.26 | jordanm | Days`: there is not /lib/tls? |
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| 14:06.11 | jordanm | proprietary nvidia drivers seem to ship /usr/lib/tls, but I don't see how that relevant |
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| 14:06.30 | Days` | jordanm: there is actually, and whenever you compile dynamically, it will search for libs on that directory |
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| 14:06.56 | jordanm | Days`: its not shipped by a debian package |
| 14:07.07 | jordanm | ,file /lib/tls |
| 14:07.10 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 14:07.32 | jordanm | actually, I don't know if judd functions like apt-file in the regard |
| 14:07.44 | Days` | hmmm |
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| 14:09.18 | stew | Days`: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 14:12.07 | Days` | stew: i'm compiling busybox dynamically, after that ldd says it is linked against "libc.so.6 => /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6" but whenever i compile glibc with TLS support, no directory /lib/tls/i686/cmov/ is created |
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| 14:14.28 | jordanm | why are you recompiling system libs? |
| 14:15.14 | Days` | jordanm: it's for an appliance image jordanm |
| 14:15.44 | jordanm | that really doesn't explain why.. why are you not modifying the packages? |
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| 14:16.11 | Days` | i need to made it from scratch sinc the system have to be less than 20 MB |
| 14:16.32 | jordanm | Days`: perhaps you are looking for emdebian? |
| 14:16.47 | Days` | i could copy the libs of course, but i want to uderstand what i'm doing |
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| 14:17.09 | Days` | emdebian is great for sure, but for now i have to made it by myself |
| 14:17.22 | abrotman | And why are you asking #debian ? |
| 14:18.25 | Days` | why not ? :) |
| 14:18.36 | stew | Days`: becuase your questions don't really have much to do with debian if anything |
| 14:18.39 | jordanm | it doesn't seem to be very debian related |
| 14:18.48 | abrotman | perhaps you'd do better in ##linux? |
| 14:18.56 | stew | Days`: you might be better off in #gcc. perhaps you should be using uclibc and ask questions in #uclibc |
| 14:19.00 | abrotman | or ask your professor why you're doing this at all ? |
| 14:19.29 | Days` | stew: 'll take that into consideration , thanks |
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| 14:19.52 | Days` | abrotman: what professor ? i'm doing this on my own actually, for knowledge |
| 14:20.45 | abrotman | okay then .. move along, nothing to see here :) |
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| 14:21.48 | Cisien | has anyone setup a router on debian and used shorewall? |
| 14:22.05 | acu | moldovean: are you around ? |
| 14:22.10 | Cisien | I have a problem, where if my MTU is set to the (comcast specified) 576, i don't get much of any traffic on the LAN, but from the router box it's fine. if i manually set it to 1500, everything's normal |
| 14:22.26 | mooglenorph | Question about duplicity: are the backups to amazon S3 incremental? |
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| 14:23.41 | jordanm | Cisien: where is the problem there? |
| 14:23.49 | jordanm | leave it at 1500 and be done with it |
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| 14:24.18 | pif | hi, what is the name of the debian installer executable? |
| 14:24.19 | Cisien | if i set it to 1500 in /etc/network/interfaces, it's alter changed (by dhcp?) to 576 |
| 14:24.32 | pif | I'm booting from a rescue system in a data center |
| 14:24.40 | NoReflex | pif, dpkg ? |
| 14:25.04 | jordanm | Cisien: ah, ok. you can likely prevent that by editing dhclient.conf |
| 14:25.26 | AlexC_ | is there a way to get 'dpkg -i' to download and install dependencies? |
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| 14:26.01 | valdyn | AlexC_: like using aptitude ? |
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| 14:26.15 | AlexC_ | valdyn: aptitude can install a local package? |
| 14:26.25 | valdyn | AlexC_: dpkg can |
| 14:26.26 | abioticrhyme | is there an easy way to set up a firewall on Debian? |
| 14:26.28 | AlexC_ | valdyn: ... |
| 14:26.34 | AlexC_ | abioticrhyme: Shorewall |
| 14:26.38 | valdyn | AlexC_: dpkg -i file.deb ; aptitude -f install |
| 14:26.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | AlexC_, no, but you can install it, then run aptitude -f install and pick the solution that installes the dependencies |
| 14:26.47 | jordanm | aptitude can too if you host a local repository |
| 14:26.54 | AlexC_ | valdyn: right, read my original question ;) |
| 14:26.56 | valdyn | shorewall is not exactly "easy" |
| 14:26.59 | abioticrhyme | would that work for my laptop and desktop? |
| 14:27.01 | jordanm | pretty easy to setup with reprepo |
| 14:27.03 | AlexC_ | what? Shorewall is incredibly easy |
| 14:27.16 | AlexC_ | it's the most simple, powerful firewall there can be |
| 14:27.19 | _swift | Anyone know why the kernel modules compiled by `m-a -i a-i alsa` arent compatible with my kernel? Getting messages like "snd_cs46xx: disagrees about version of symbol snd_ctl_add" in dmesg |
| 14:27.33 | karme | ferm is better than shorewall |
| 14:27.38 | valdyn | AlexC_: what is it ? "16:25 < AlexC_> is there a way to get 'dpkg -i' to download and install dependencies?" ? |
| 14:27.59 | AlexC_ | CutMeOwnThroat: the first part is what I'm strugling with, the install. Should I force it to? |
| 14:28.05 | stew | _swift: your kernel was compiled with a different major release of gcc. what gcc version is reported by "/proc/versions" ? |
| 14:28.12 | stew | err |
| 14:28.17 | Cisien | jordanm, do by chance know how to reject/ignore specific dhcp options with dhclient.conf? |
| 14:28.19 | stew | _swift: "cat /proc/version" |
| 14:28.23 | AlexC_ | abioticrhyme: yes it would |
| 14:28.38 | abioticrhyme | AlexC_ thank you |
| 14:28.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | AlexC_, just the way valdyn also wrote... dpkg -i file.deb ; aptitude -f install |
| 14:28.46 | jordanm | Cisien: remove it from the request line |
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| 14:28.50 | _swift | stew: it was compiled with 4.3.5, which is installed on the system and m-a should automatically choose the right one, no? |
| 14:28.57 | AlexC_ | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, but 'dpkg -i' wont install it due to dependencies |
| 14:28.58 | jordanm | Cisien: interface-mtu |
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| 14:29.15 | AlexC_ | karme: in what way better? What advantages do you think it has? |
| 14:29.16 | valdyn | AlexC_: thats pre-dependencies |
| 14:29.20 | stew | _swift: no, it shouldn't necessarily. run "GCC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.3 m-a a-i alsa" |
| 14:29.26 | valdyn | AlexC_: you have to install those first anyway |
| 14:29.42 | _swift | ill try that, thanks |
| 14:29.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | what package are we talking about anyway |
| 14:29.53 | AlexC_ | my own |
| 14:29.58 | stew | _swift: sorry, that should be CC not GCC" |
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| 14:30.03 | AlexC_ | valdyn: hum, so there is no automatic way to do this? |
| 14:30.05 | stew | needs more coffee today |
| 14:30.06 | karme | AlexC_: i just prefer it over shorewall, nice single config file |
| 14:30.15 | valdyn | AlexC_: using aptitude is the automatic way |
| 14:31.07 | AlexC_ | valdyn: does it matter than dpkg shows "dependency problems prevent configuration of"? Although I do see the file has installed, so I'll run the aptitude command - but that line still worries me |
| 14:31.17 | Cisien | found it, supersede option declaration |
| 14:31.21 | valdyn | AlexC_: so it did install |
| 14:31.32 | valdyn | AlexC_: but you first told us that it did not install |
| 14:31.34 | stew | AlexC_: after aptitude satisfies the dependencies, the package will be configured |
| 14:31.41 | valdyn | AlexC_: we gave you the solution before. |
| 14:31.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | !wdyti AlexC_ |
| 14:31.42 | dpkg | Why don't you just try it, AlexC_? |
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| 14:32.04 | _swift | stew: i tried that earlier and he then told me I didn't have the correct version installed. CC="gcc-4.3" did compile then, but the problem remained the same. |
| 14:32.51 | AlexC_ | valdyn: because of the error messages outputted from dpkg lead to me thinking it's not installed |
| 14:33.53 | AlexC_ | all works now though, thanks |
| 14:34.32 | cristi8 | hi! how do i find the link speed that my eth1 is connected at? |
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| 14:34.47 | valdyn | AlexC_: install and configure are seperated in proper debian packages |
| 14:34.52 | cristi8 | dmesg | grep eth1 doesn't display speed. only "eth1 is down/up" |
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| 14:35.23 | AlexC_ | cristi8: ethtool eth0 |
| 14:35.48 | AlexC_ | valdyn: how do you mean? |
| 14:36.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | AlexC_, the package was installed but not configured |
| 14:36.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | AlexC_, you could have seen that with dpkg -l packgagename |
| 14:36.34 | cristi8 | AlexC_: thanks, i had to aptitude install it, but it worked |
| 14:36.43 | AlexC_ | CutMeOwnThroat: excellent, thanks |
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| 14:38.25 | _swift | assuming it was compiled with gcc-4.3, is there any other reason why I'd get such an error message? |
| 14:38.47 | Cisien | jordanm, adding that line to the dhclient.conf file fixed the problem, thanks |
| 14:38.59 | jordanm | Cisien: anytime |
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| 14:39.38 | Cisien | still kinda bothers me that it's not working at 576 when that's the MTU comcast assigns me |
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| 14:40.27 | Cisien | now the fun part, setting up wireless |
| 14:40.32 | AlexC_ | Cisien: I had a similar issue, I had to lower the MTU for it to start working. Not comcast, but our ISP here, one day is suddenly stopped working |
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| 14:41.04 | Cisien | what's weird, is the router works fine at that MTU, but clients behind the router fail |
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| 14:41.51 | Cisien | meh... *shrug* |
| 14:42.07 | moldovean | acu, yes in #debian-in-mentors on irc.oftc.net ;) |
| 14:42.24 | Cisien | hostapd still used in debian for wireless access points // atheros hardware? |
| 14:42.52 | acu | moldovean |
| 14:43.06 | acu | are you going there ? |
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| 14:43.44 | stanmancan | hey guys... I'm using Ubuntu but their channel is ... totally useless, it may be OS dependant but I figure I may give it a shot here and if you want me to GTFO thats understandable! |
| 14:43.59 | jordanm | stanmancan: not supported here |
| 14:44.06 | stew | stanmancan: yeah, this is the wrong place for ubuntu questions, you might try ##linux though |
| 14:44.27 | stanmancan | maybe just take a quick peek and tell me if this means anyhing to you? |
| 14:44.27 | stanmancan | https://gist.github.com/17874f6059959acedd7f |
| 14:44.36 | stew | _swift: i don't know then, you might try #alsa |
| 14:44.57 | stanmancan | when i upgraded from 9.10 to 10.04 it seemed to go fine, but when i rebooted i can't ssh in, thats the last screen of text when i use the lish console to take a look |
| 14:45.08 | stew | stanmancan: try ##linux |
| 14:46.13 | moldovean | acu, no |
| 14:47.02 | acu | moldovean: join it |
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| 14:47.52 | AlexC_ | stanmancan: Linode? |
| 14:48.49 | acu | moldovean can we talk in private for a sec ? |
| 14:48.49 | moldovean | acu, it ? |
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| 14:49.17 | moldovean | acu, try #d-ro |
| 14:49.26 | TMM | hi all! I believe I found a licensing bug in Debian sid, audacious-plugins contains 'openpsf' which contains MAME licensed code |
| 14:50.23 | AlexC_ | stanmancan: if so, I recall you have to change the kernel your Linode boots with. Join their #linode IRC channel (not on Freenode, their website says what network) |
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| 14:51.28 | naoshige | hi |
| 14:51.30 | naoshige | In w3m - how do I see what the URL of the page I'm on is? |
| 14:51.36 | TMM | how do I report licensing bugs? |
| 14:51.46 | TMM | MAME license is incompatible with DFSG afaik |
| 14:52.18 | TMM | (and the GPL for that matter, which is interesting considering audacious' license) |
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| 14:52.57 | stew | TMM: hi, thanks. tell me how I find this? |
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| 14:53.12 | TMM | stew, sorry? |
| 14:53.32 | stew | TMM: which files should I be looking at to find the offending code? |
| 14:53.36 | smhar | greetings |
| 14:53.48 | stew | TMM: if there is a licensing problem, I'm going to make sure it gets taken care of asap |
| 14:53.56 | TMM | stew, audacious-plugins-2.3/src/spf |
| 14:54.30 | TMM | stew, sorry, psf |
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| 14:55.10 | stew | TMM: the readme claims that it is BSD and GPL, is there some file in there that isn't either? |
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| 14:55.20 | TMM | stew, check the 'license.txt' file, it's quite entertaining :) "While legally combining GPL with BSD and MAME licensed software is unclear, Pete Bernert will probably be OK with anything you do as long as you distribute the source for your AOSDK based creations." |
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| 14:56.10 | TMM | stew, in the license.txt is says what files are covered by what license, psx.c for instance is covered by the MAME license |
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| 14:57.23 | smhar | after my last update/upgrade session of my squeeze notebook, I am left with a strange problem, I keep getting this error: E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. W: Could not lock the cache file; this usually means that dpkg or another apt tool is already installing packages. Opening in read-only mode; any changes you make to the states of packages will NOT be preserved! |
| 14:57.32 | TMM | stew, either the license.txt is wrong, or the README. But I checked and the psx.c file bears a striking resemblance to the MAME version |
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| 14:58.10 | Armageddon | I just intalled Debian Testing, I'm configuring the most of it, but I have a couple of questions, it used to be called nm-applet, what is it now ? and my screen is flickering, how do I fix that ? |
| 14:58.42 | smhar | but when I try the configure I get this: dpkg: parse error, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0056' near line 0: newline in field name `/.' |
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| 15:00.26 | TMM | stew, have you found it? |
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| 15:00.41 | stew | TMM: yes, thanks |
| 15:00.55 | stew | legally combining this version of the BSD and GPL are not a problem |
| 15:01.07 | stew | but the MAME license sounds like a problem |
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| 15:01.28 | TMM | stew, indeed, I'm not sure why they mentioned the BSD license at all in that context in the license.txt |
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| 15:02.34 | TMM | stew, I could perhaps fix the problem by changing to a different psx sound emulator, I believe that pcsx has a GPL version available |
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| 15:03.05 | stew | TMM: do you want to help by filing a bug about this? |
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| 15:04.46 | TMM | stew, sure |
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| 15:05.25 | stew | TMM: it should be severity Serious, citing policy 12.5 as the justification |
| 15:06.14 | stew | TMM: hmm |
| 15:06.30 | stew | yeah |
| 15:06.35 | stew | i'd just go ahead and file |
| 15:06.38 | jordanm | TMM: if you have never reported a bug before, I always recommend running "reportbug" *without* and options or arguements first |
| 15:06.52 | jordanm | TMM: this causes reportbug to go through interactive configuration |
| 15:07.07 | TMM | http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting <--- reading that now |
| 15:07.34 | stew | TMM: do you have somewhere I could read the license for mame? |
| 15:07.35 | NetNiet | Hi All, i'm looking of a way to first monitor the communication going through my debian server from a node inside to outside and later take over the communication |
| 15:08.00 | NetNiet | Any idea where to start looking ? |
| 15:08.05 | TMM | stew, MAME license is included with the license.txt in the spf dir |
| 15:08.16 | jordanm | NetNiet: "take over the communication"? |
| 15:08.17 | TMM | err psf, damn itr |
| 15:08.30 | TMM | "* Redistributions may not be sold, nor may they be used in a commercial product or activity." |
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| 15:08.47 | jordanm | sounds non-free |
| 15:09.24 | TMM | yeah, it also has a clause that says that if you use any part of MAME, you have to ship all of the original sourcecode |
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| 15:09.33 | TMM | a clause that the psf module violates btw |
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| 15:12.15 | stew | TMM: oh its in license.txt but nt in the debian/copyright file? |
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| 15:12.53 | NetNiet | jordanm its actualy to write a bot that takes over the talking to a webserver if the node who started the connection quits |
| 15:12.53 | TMM | stew, yeah, it's not mentioned anywhere in the package docs installed by the binary |
| 15:13.35 | stew | TMM: yeah. and its definitely nonfree, and this is definately a 12.5 violation |
| 15:13.49 | jordanm | NetNiet: sounds like an attempted work-around for something broken... instead of fixing it |
| 15:13.56 | stew | , versions audatious-plugins |
| 15:13.58 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'audatious-plugins' was found. |
| 15:14.02 | stew | i cant spel |
| 15:14.11 | stew | , versions audacious-plugins |
| 15:14.13 | judd | audacious-plugins -- etch: 1.2.5-1; lenny: 1.5.1-2; sid: 2.3-2+b1; squeeze: 2.3-2+b1 |
| 15:14.58 | TMM | only 2.3 using versions are affected |
| 15:15.05 | TMM | stable and testing are fine |
| 15:15.10 | stew | cool |
| 15:15.26 | TMM | I had already checked : |
| 15:15.27 | TMM | :) |
| 15:15.32 | stew | thanks :) |
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| 15:16.00 | TMM | adplug/core/fmopl.c:/* This version of fmopl.c is a fork of the MAME one, relicensed under the LGPL. <-- that is a possible problem in de adplug in 1.5.1 though |
| 15:16.04 | stew | TMM: PM me when you've filed the bug or if you have problems filing the bug. and thanks very much for brining this to our attention, debian takes this suff seriously |
| 15:16.15 | TMM | the MAME license does not permit relicensing at all |
| 15:16.20 | TMM | stew, as do I :) |
| 15:16.46 | smhar | but when I try the configure I get this: dpkg: parse error, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0056' near line 0: newline in field name `/.' |
| 15:17.01 | stew | TMM: its possible that the relicensing was done with permission from the copyright holder, we can ask them about it |
| 15:17.08 | TMM | stew, this is interesting, 1.5.1 includes 'sexypsf' and it IS fully GPL compliant, built on pcsx as I had suggested :) |
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| 15:18.30 | TMM | stew, would it help if I port sexypsf to the audacious 2.3 api so that when it's fixed in a package update users won't loose features? |
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| 15:18.50 | TMM | stew, and adding that to the bug report that is, or is that an unlikely fix? |
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| 15:20.56 | TMM | stew, I read up on the fmopl.c. It has a long and complicated history :) |
| 15:21.14 | TMM | stew, earlier versions were indeed dual licensed under the MAME and LGPL, later versions are not |
| 15:21.50 | pif | I just installed a 'debootstrap', what must I check to make sure it reboots ok? |
| 15:22.09 | Karen_m | I have a new drive, and I need 3 directories to have either symlinks or partitions on this new drive. Should I symlink or create 3 seperate partitions with 3 mount points? |
| 15:22.16 | stew | TMM: I don't know much about this code, so I'm not really the one to say what might be a likely fix. The most favorable fix is probably to see if we can get the copyright holders to relicense stuff under a free license |
| 15:22.20 | Karen_m | performance of a symlink cannot be that much eh? |
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| 15:22.48 | TMM | stew, the emulator developers are notorious for their hatred of the GPL sadly, MAME devs in particular |
| 15:23.21 | TMM | stew, I highly, highly doubt that they will agree to a relicense. I've been trying to get the Project64 people to dual license under the GPL but they are so far very adamant |
| 15:23.33 | TMM | stew, they really want their 'no commercial use' clause |
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| 15:25.32 | demoneye | I' having a problem with .rar files. I am not able to open them, says file type not supported |
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| 15:25.50 | TMM | demoneye, there is no free implementation of the rar archive format beyond 2.x |
| 15:25.51 | demoneye | I installed untar.. with "aptitude install unrar" |
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| 15:26.07 | demoneye | unrar* |
| 15:26.31 | TMM | demoneye, files archived with the rar 3.x cannot be opened with the free software unrar implementation. I recommend switching to xc or bzip2 |
| 15:26.45 | demoneye | ahh, ok |
| 15:26.53 | Moofius | I'm trying to install desktop debian, and I tried to do that with a 512mb usbdrive with netinstall. The debian installer could not find my network card, thus it only installed a basic installation with no gui. How can I install a fully fledged debian with either wifi or normal network cable support? I have these things: a 512 mb usb-drive, a 128 mb usb-drive, a ntsf 500gb usb hard drive, a |
| 15:26.53 | Moofius | 400gb windows partition. |
| 15:27.51 | demoneye | TMM, is it "aptitude install bzip2" ? |
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| 15:28.06 | TMM | demoneye, bzip2 will not be able to open existing rar archives though |
| 15:28.25 | stew | TMM: well if its not allowed for commercial use, it cannot be in debian |
| 15:28.30 | TMM | demoneye, if you absolutely must unpack a rar 3.x file you need to install the non-free 'rar' package |
| 15:28.49 | demoneye | ohmai |
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| 15:28.55 | Moofius | Can a standard installation of debian access ntsf hard drives? |
| 15:29.10 | TMM | stew, I know, I was sharing my experience trying to get an emulator developer to release code under a free license |
| 15:29.12 | jordanm | Moofius: access? yes. write? no |
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| 15:30.28 | warz | hi all. when doing the netinstall, and selecting packages, there's things like 'web server', etc .. then there's 'base system'. i deselected it, thinking it was going to put general utilities on there because i figured the true base linux install had already taken place. |
| 15:30.31 | demoneye | what about p7zip, will that not work? |
| 15:30.39 | warz | seems like deselecting base system though is bad. |
| 15:30.45 | jelly | Moofius: not before installing ntfs-3g |
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| 15:31.03 | jordanm | warz: sure it wasn't "standard system"? |
| 15:31.47 | warz | might have been, it was "<something> system", heh |
| 15:32.02 | Moofius | How can I install "Desktop enviroment" and "Laptop" after I have installed debian? |
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| 15:32.13 | jordanm | warz: some people may not want it, but most do |
| 15:32.14 | TMM | wrong button, sorry |
| 15:32.21 | jordanm | !tell warz about standard task |
| 15:32.23 | jelly | Moofius: you can run tasksel |
| 15:33.05 | warz | ah. well i had nothing selected on that screen, because i wanted to do it all manually after that initial boot. |
| 15:33.09 | warz | but it wouldn't boot. |
| 15:33.10 | jordanm | but AFAIK, the "Desktop" task can only be used to install alternate DEs during install time |
| 15:33.15 | warz | may have been something else. |
| 15:33.38 | jordanm | warz: do you get a grub prompts? did you say yes to installing grub to MBR? |
| 15:33.42 | demoneye | thank you Tmm |
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| 15:37.38 | warz | jordanm, i said yes to installing grub to the mbr |
| 15:37.42 | warz | didn't get a grub prompt, though |
| 15:37.56 | warz | on boot it acted as if there was no OS |
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| 15:38.20 | jordanm | warz: is this on anything odd such as a hardware raid? |
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| 15:38.39 | warz | no, single harddrive |
| 15:38.41 | jelly | hwraid, if anything, is less odd to a boot loader |
| 15:39.10 | Moofius | Is my best bet to update my standard system install to a fully fledged system this: 1) download wireless-tools as a .deb file 2) place it on a ntsf hard drive 3) Hope I can figure out how to access that hard drive from debian 4) install the deb file 5) try to somehow get internet working |
| 15:39.22 | Moofius | and I have never really used linux before |
| 15:39.22 | warz | im trying it again with standard system enabled |
| 15:39.51 | jelly | Moofius: if you can, get wired access instead of wireless |
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| 15:40.17 | Moofius | I tried that first, but debian network install could not find my card |
| 15:40.43 | Moofius | Windows says it is a "Marvell Yukon 88E8057 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller" |
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| 15:41.00 | pallgone | Moofius: so you have a basic system now? |
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| 15:41.04 | jelly | Moofius: hm, that's interesting. /msg dpkg kmuto <- debian 5 installer with updated kernel (= updated drivers) |
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| 15:41.43 | Moofius | Yes, I have a standard system installed, because my usb drive installation could only include the basics |
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| 15:42.13 | Moofius | I don't have a bigger usb thumb drive, and my usb hard drive is ntsf formatted, so can't start from that |
| 15:42.20 | Moofius | and I have no cd-burner |
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| 15:43.57 | pallgone | Moofius: what are you using? lenny? |
| 15:44.09 | demoneye | I have d.l rar_3.9.3-1.debian.tar.gz file, where do I move this file to, directory ? |
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| 15:44.44 | demoneye | non-free/rar |
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| 15:45.02 | Moofius | pallgone: I used debian-505-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 15:45.34 | pallgone | Moofius: is it for a server? |
| 15:45.53 | Moofius | no, it is for this computer, my laptop |
| 15:46.03 | jordanm | Moofius: see the kmuto suggestion from jelly. that should take care of support for your wired |
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| 15:47.17 | jelly | Moofius: I'd suggesting using i386 for a workstation machine |
| 15:47.21 | pallgone | Moofius: if you want my advice, try debian squeeze which will be the next debian release... has much better support for a lot of devices... http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 15:47.28 | jelly | s/ing// |
| 15:47.57 | jelly | pallgone: it still won't give them wifi support out of the box |
| 15:48.04 | jelly | (firmware) |
| 15:48.12 | pallgone | jelly: no, but newer software, newer kernel, etc |
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| 15:48.26 | jelly | kmuto solver "newer kernel" |
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| 15:48.52 | Moofius | wired: Marvell Yukon 88E8057 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller wireless: Intel(R) Centrino(R) Advanced-N 6200 AGN |
| 15:49.00 | jordanm | pallgone: you really think a first-time linux user should use testing? |
| 15:49.02 | Moofius | Is both windows-only? |
| 15:49.20 | jordanm | Moofius: no, but both requre a newer kernel, which would be provided by the kmuto installer |
| 15:49.23 | pallgone | jordanm: well, I didn't have any problems with squeeze... so yes |
| 15:49.28 | jordanm | well, atleast i know wireless does |
| 15:49.37 | jordanm | pallgone: is this your first time using linux? |
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| 15:49.52 | pallgone | jordanm: no |
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| 15:50.08 | Moofius | I have used linux before, but it has always been installed, and used via ssh |
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| 15:50.17 | mr | hi |
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| 15:50.49 | pallgone | whatever, I love squeeze, so maybe I'm a little biased ;) |
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| 15:51.43 | dec3pti0n | anyone here uses bwm-ng ? or ifstats |
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| 15:52.30 | Moofius | jordanm: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ says they will be 512mb, but my usb-drive is only 461mb |
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| 15:53.07 | pallgone | for example... on lenny... GNOME has a bug where keyboard shortcut cannot be set with SUPER, annyoing... sure you can use gconf-editor and hack around it... but it's just one thing that sucks, and there are more |
| 15:53.22 | demoneye | nvm, done. |
| 15:53.25 | dec3pti0n | if one has ip aliases setup like eth0.1 eth0.2 ...etc you should exclude them and just focus on eth0 right ? since that's the actual physical interface ? |
| 15:53.27 | Moofius | or what iso should I download there, it seems to be 3 versions |
| 15:54.30 | jordanm | Moofius: I see 162mb? |
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| 15:54.51 | jordanm | lenny-custom-0116.iso |
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| 15:55.24 | Moofius | jp, fr, boot.img.gz, netboot.tar.gz |
| 15:55.59 | pallgone | yeah, he doesn't have a burner... |
| 15:56.15 | Moofius | I have a usb drive tho |
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| 15:57.12 | Moofius | I'm going to try debian squeeze instead |
| 15:57.32 | pallgone | Moofius: wait, but probably you will have the wifi issue there too |
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| 15:58.16 | pallgone | Moofius: ah, but probably ethernet will work |
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| 15:58.45 | grig | hi guys |
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| 15:59.04 | grig | i'd like to upgrade from etch to lenny |
| 15:59.16 | mr | hi |
| 15:59.21 | grig | is it still possible? |
| 15:59.33 | jordanm | !tell grig about etch->lenny |
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| 16:02.18 | grig | jordanm: thanks a lot! |
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| 16:02.57 | Moofius | Bah, I give up, gonna test debian again when squeeze is relased instead, will probably go more smooth :) |
| 16:03.28 | Cisien | is there a debian specific way to setup an access point? Or do i just configure the third-party utilities? |
| 16:03.41 | pallgone | Moofius: why, it doesn't work? |
| 16:04.12 | Moofius | Could not find a amd64 testing release of squeeze |
| 16:04.14 | TMM | Cisien, you can configure wireless information in /etc/network/interfaces but if you use a laptop computer or a system with gnome/kde/xfce installed you are probably better off using network manager |
| 16:04.41 | Cisien | TMM: headless router |
| 16:04.53 | TMM | Cisien, then, /etc/network/interfaces :) |
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| 16:05.03 | pallgone | Moofius: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/ |
| 16:05.11 | Cisien | i'm just having a hard time finding information on configuring /etc/network/interfaces for access point mode, nad not client mode |
| 16:05.26 | TMM | Cisien, what do you mean by 'setup an access point' btw? configure an access point to use, or an access point that others will connect to using hostap or something? |
| 16:05.44 | Cisien | access point others will connec to |
| 16:05.58 | TMM | Cisien, if your headless router IS an access point itself, then you'll have to use the config file of whatever software you use to set it up |
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| 16:06.09 | Cisien | thanks |
| 16:06.20 | TMM | Cisien, and make sure the daemon is started during boot of course using update-rc.d |
| 16:06.23 | pallgone | Moofius: instruction is here: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 |
| 16:06.53 | Cisien | TMM, of course |
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| 16:07.10 | TMM | Cisien, didn't mean to patronize you :) just wanted to be compete |
| 16:07.15 | TMM | Cisien, complete* |
| 16:07.16 | Cisien | :) |
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| 16:07.58 | michalxo | hello guys! I am having a problem with installing multimedia packages |
| 16:08.48 | michalxo | I have gstreamer good,bad,ugly,nice, w32codecs.. and still totem is saying that no codec available.. I can hear only audio.. fresh squeeze here |
| 16:09.12 | michalxo | can anyone help? mplayer played it OK from terminal... |
| 16:09.55 | TMM | michalxo, if you are not living the US or other country with software patents it may be advisable to install the ffmpeg, libavcodec, libavformat from debian-multimedia, and deinstall the w32codecs they are almost never needed anymore |
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| 16:10.09 | jhutchins_lt | michalxo: Try something other than totem. |
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| 16:10.37 | TMM | michalxo, and install the gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg, that should make totem play pretty much every multimedia file in existence |
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| 16:11.16 | OinY | guten tag |
| 16:11.50 | OinY | schlafen noch alle? |
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| 16:12.02 | karlpinc | !de |
| 16:12.02 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 16:12.08 | file-exists-p | is there a canonical way to set up a squid to reduce the page web size to use it from a phone ? |
| 16:12.10 | michalxo | gstreamer-ffmpeg is installed... vlc plays only black-white and on 1/8 of original size TMM jhutchins |
| 16:12.45 | jhutchins_lt | michalxo: What about mplayer? |
| 16:13.17 | TMM | michalxo, the debian supplied ffmpeg and related libraries do not play patent encumbered media formats, as they cannot be distributed in binary form in the US or other countries that have software patents. If you install the versions from debian-multimedia you should be able to play almost all files without trouble. |
| 16:13.53 | michalxo | jhutchins_lt mplayer works OK |
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| 16:14.07 | stuckey | hi |
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| 16:14.23 | stuckey | Anyone know if it is possible to use a hauppauge wintv card on debian? |
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| 16:14.53 | TMM | is talking to a wall it seems |
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| 16:15.28 | hiku | stuckey: try - http://hausheer.osola.com/docs/24 |
| 16:15.30 | jhutchins_lt | stuckey: Pretty sure it is. All my old v4l links seem outdated, but the mythtv project should have plenty of info. |
| 16:16.02 | hiku | stuckey: and this - http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=130129 |
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| 16:16.07 | tishammer | why would a partition owned by user-a change owner to root, after mounting a partition over it, even if in fstab i have options users,owner ? |
| 16:16.08 | jhutchins_lt | michalxo: It's been my experience that mplayer just works, and most of the other video players are more trouble than they're worth. |
| 16:17.26 | jhutchins_lt | (Which is why it's so annoying when they are automatically installed and kde is made dependent on them.) |
| 16:18.07 | michalxo | the thing is... THIS (my laptop with sid) is more stable then other one, which has problems with suspend and video... my is sid, the other (broken video) is squeeze weekly build... so it's kinda weird |
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| 16:19.30 | jhutchins_lt | michalxo: so MAKE A BACKUP of your installation. Eventually sid will release an update that breaks it. |
| 16:19.43 | michalxo | my PC is fine |
| 16:19.56 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: that happened yesterday |
| 16:20.14 | michalxo | the other one is broken.. (fresh install) see this image... hmmhttp://img827.imageshack.us/img827/8364/screenshotjy.png |
| 16:20.19 | Cisien | is there a way to get hostapd 0.6.10 from 'sid' or 0.7.0 from 'experimental'? |
| 16:20.23 | michalxo | have you ever seen something like this?! :_( |
| 16:20.26 | Cisien | can i just download the packages? |
| 16:20.31 | jhutchins_lt | jordanm: Yep, and it will happen again, and at different times for different people with different hardware and different packages. |
| 16:20.35 | Cisien | or is there a more elegant way? |
| 16:20.51 | jhutchins_lt | !tel Cisien about ssb |
| 16:20.54 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: in this case (an apt transition), pretty sure it was for everyone :) |
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| 16:21.15 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg: ssb |
| 16:21.16 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <backports.org>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list 2) enable backports.org (see <bpo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 16:21.25 | jhutchins_lt | Ah, missed an l. |
| 16:22.11 | Cisien | thanks |
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| 16:22.27 | michalxo | jhutchins http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/8364/screenshotjy.png :-/ |
| 16:23.10 | jhutchins_lt | michalxo: mplayerplugin |
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| 16:23.52 | jhutchins_lt | michalxo: Er, mplayerplug-in |
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| 16:29.00 | michalxo | TMM jhutchins_lt I have that libavCodec/util50/format52 installed, and still there is that bug |
| 16:29.07 | Gijs | root@svr:~# iptables -A ISPCP_INPUT --dport 7000 -s 12.34.567.890 --destination 188.10.40.17 -j REJECT |
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| 16:29.09 | Gijs | iptables v1.4.2: Unknown arg `(null)' |
| 16:29.10 | Gijs | whats wrong? |
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| 16:30.47 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 16:31.15 | johnfg | I'm running lenny, latest updates, and don't get any 'system' sounds. |
| 16:31.42 | johnfg | Sound works fine, otherwise. But why no sound at login, logoff, etc., etc. |
| 16:32.01 | johnfg | I'm running gnome desktop and do have gnome sound installed. |
| 16:32.06 | michalxo | they are probably turned off... |
| 16:32.18 | cahoot | not considered a bonus? |
| 16:32.55 | Gijs | iptables v1.4.2: Unknown arg `(null)' |
| 16:32.57 | Gijs | root@svr:~# iptables -A ISPCP_INPUT --dport 7000 -s 12.34.567.890 --destination 188.10.40.17 -j REJECT |
| 16:32.59 | Gijs | whats wrong? |
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| 16:34.18 | nooper | whats ISPCP? |
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| 16:34.32 | Gijs | the name of the iptables |
| 16:34.38 | vmwarenewbie | CAN ANYONE SEE |
| 16:34.40 | nooper | o |
| 16:34.40 | vmwarenewbie | WHAT I WRITE ?!? |
| 16:34.43 | johnfg | michalxo: I don't think so, but how would I check? Just in System-Sound Preferences? |
| 16:34.45 | michalxo | vmwarenewbie yes |
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| 16:34.48 | vmwarenewbie | Thanks. |
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| 16:35.18 | michalxo | johnfg take a look at some sound applet.. there should be some clickable things too |
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| 16:36.48 | nooper | Gijs: 12.34.567.890 is not a proper IP |
| 16:37.41 | Gijs | i know -.- |
| 16:37.48 | Gijs | it is the ip i need to block |
| 16:37.58 | Gijs | and 188.10.40.17 is my server ip |
| 16:39.03 | johnfg | Also, although I haven't seen any bug reports, is lenny known to have a problem with plugging in a digital camera usb cable and crashing the system? |
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| 16:39.07 | nooper | not getting the Unknown arg error here, but after adding '-p tcp' and fixing the IP, that command works here |
| 16:39.13 | johnfg | It does mine. |
| 16:40.18 | Moofius | I tried to install debian with "debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso" (loading it onto my usbdrive with unetbootin-windows-471.exe), but it did not work. Debian asked me for an installation cd, but I don't have one, and I thought I had selected netinstall |
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| 16:40.47 | johnfg | It's not the hardware, as there's no problem with win xp pro. However, I'd like to wean my wife completely from win xp pro :-) |
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| 16:42.03 | michalxo | johnfg install her SQUEEZE |
| 16:42.06 | michalxo | lenny is too old |
| 16:42.21 | jpinx-eeepc | !sns |
| 16:42.21 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 16:42.51 | johnfg | michalxo: I'm waiting for squeeze to come out of testing. |
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| 16:43.47 | johnfg | Hopefully not too much longer, eh? |
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| 16:44.51 | jhutchins_lt | michalxo: squeeze is not supported here. It is still testing. |
| 16:44.52 | michalxo | johnfg install it ;-) the only problem I have... is suspend problem (on ubuntu too) and unavailability to play videos... some strange bug here.. cause on same SW it works on SID |
| 16:45.33 | jpinx-eeepc | michalxo: stop with the bad advice dude |
| 16:46.05 | michalxo | it's real life issue, not advice ;-) |
| 16:46.06 | johnfg | Can I have two debians on the same system? I.e., can grub handle it and not get confused? |
| 16:46.29 | jpinx-eeepc | johnfg: dual boot is fine |
| 16:46.46 | jhutchins_lt | michalxo: Seriously, don't tell people to install squeeze. It's not out of testing, and if they're looking for help here they're not likely to be able to handle the problems it will cause. |
| 16:46.51 | jpinx-eeepc | johnfg: or a vm inside one system |
| 16:47.18 | johnfg | jpinx-eeepc: I suppose that's what I'll do with squeeze, but it will be a triple or quadruple boot. |
| 16:47.19 | Cisien | ok, got wireless, now to get 802.11n working. |
| 16:47.37 | jhutchins_lt | johnfg: THe one caveat is that grub-legacy (grub0) will not boot a grub2 (squeeze default) installation, but grub2 will boot grub0. |
| 16:47.56 | johnfg | vm from oracle/sun hasn't worked like it did when it was just sun. |
| 16:48.02 | jhutchins_lt | johnfg: You'll have to install squeeze's grub2 last and let it handle the mbr. |
| 16:49.13 | johnfg | Yeah, I haven't had the greatest success when trying to use grub2; but it's me, not the program: slow learner. |
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| 16:49.51 | jpinx-eeepc | is dreading grub2 - everyone says it is not as intuitive |
| 16:50.36 | johnfg | jpinx-eeepc: I'd say that's accurate. It doesn't intuit nearly as well as legacy. |
| 16:51.23 | zamaliphe | how to fix this error amarok: Depends: libgpod4-nogtk (>= 0.7.0) but it is not installed or |
| 16:51.24 | jpinx-eeepc | every time I get my head around something . somebody changes it :( |
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| 16:51.41 | johnfg | Still not sure where to put additionaly menu items from grub2. Had installed ubuntu 10.04.01 (but gone now) and couldn't figure out how to get the lenny entries into it. |
| 16:51.51 | jpinx-eeepc | zamaliphe: are you using aptitude install... |
| 16:52.10 | johnfg | I followed a web page instruction, but must have missed something. |
| 16:52.34 | zamaliphe | jpinx-eeepc: i use apt-get |
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| 16:52.51 | jpinx-eeepc | johnfg: I have been told you "just run grub-install" - but that's sounding a bit MS-ish |
| 16:53.06 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell zamaliphe about why aptitude |
| 16:53.14 | zamaliphe | jpinx-eeepc: and i'm trying to upgrade to etch |
| 16:53.28 | jpinx-eeepc | *to* etch? |
| 16:54.20 | jhutchins_lt | On lenny I can see my bluetooth dongle with the console tools but kbluetooth doesn't see any devices. |
| 16:55.00 | jhutchins_lt | jpinx-eeepc: grub-install is a wrapper script that feeds grub the correct parameters to install it to the mbr. |
| 16:55.58 | jhutchins_lt | jpinx-eeepc: It has way too many options - you can configure it to boot from v'ger's beer fridge - but the basic options are pretty simple once you figure out which file they're in. |
| 16:56.42 | jhutchins_lt | jpinx-eeepc: Grub2 that is. |
| 16:56.55 | jpinx-eeepc | jhutchins_lt: not sure if that re-assures me or not;) I liked to manually tweak grub to do things the way I wanted - on-screeen listing sequence, etc |
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| 16:58.50 | jhutchins_lt | jpinx-eeepc: I finally sat down with squeeze and worked it out. Managed to at least set the default to lenny. |
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| 17:01.30 | jpinx-eeepc | jhutchins_lt: yea - I know I have that on the horizon - I choose to not look for now ;) |
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| 17:12.01 | zamaliphe | how to dist-upgrade using aptitude forcing auto install || remove conflict pkg ? |
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| 17:12.50 | jpinx-eeepc | zamaliphe: what release are you running? |
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| 17:14.06 | zamaliphe | jpinx-eeepc: lenny |
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| 17:14.21 | zamaliphe | jpinx-eeepc: lenny 4 |
| 17:14.37 | jordanm | zamaliphe: so you are attempting to upgrade to lenny? |
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| 17:14.52 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions kbluetooth |
| 17:14.55 | judd | kbluetooth -- sid: 1:0.4.2-3 |
| 17:15.01 | jpinx-eeepc | zamaliphe: what does cat uname -a say |
| 17:15.08 | zamaliphe | jordanm: upgrade to unstable |
| 17:15.12 | jhutchins_lt | jpinx-eeepc: cat? |
| 17:15.29 | amphi | that's not even UUOC ;) |
| 17:15.33 | zamaliphe | Linux debian 2.6.26-1-686 #1 SMP Sat Jan 10 18:29:31 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 17:15.36 | jpinx-eeepc | zamaliphe: and cat /etc/deian_version |
| 17:15.39 | jordanm | zamaliphe: highly not recommended, especially for people who need help in doing so |
| 17:15.40 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions kdebluetooth |
| 17:15.41 | judd | kdebluetooth -- etch: 0.99+1.0beta2-3; lenny: 1.0~beta8-5; sid: 1:0.4.2-3 |
| 17:15.45 | jordanm | zamaliphe: your lenny is out of date |
| 17:15.55 | jpinx-eeepc | needs coffee |
| 17:16.12 | zamaliphe | jordanm: yes i know |
| 17:16.14 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell zamaliphe about why aptitude |
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| 17:16.29 | jordanm | !tell zamaliphe about sid |
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| 17:16.47 | dima_ | Hello! I'd like to read a byte from a char device. What is the most convenient way to do that? I'm going to convert the received byte into a decimal |
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| 17:16.54 | jordanm | zamaliphe: sid itself and upgrades to sid are, in general, not supported here |
| 17:17.25 | jordanm | dima_: possibly with "read" and printf? |
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| 17:17.34 | zamaliphe | all i need to do is some help |
| 17:17.40 | jordanm | IIRC printf can convert to decimal |
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| 17:19.44 | dima_ | jordanm: I know about printf. But how to read a byte? "read" is not a utility, it's a bash builtin, and it can only receive strings from stdin and initialize variables |
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| 17:21.10 | jordanm | dima_: cat -v perhaps? |
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| 17:21.53 | stew | dima_: you could use dd i suppose, but probaby the answer is to use a programming language better suited to your task than bash |
| 17:22.01 | g38 | hello. How do I find out which package is responsible for a given file on my filesystem? also, how do I list all files which belong to a given package? |
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| 17:22.22 | jordanm | g38: dpkg -S; dpkg -L; see: man dpkg |
| 17:22.23 | stew | g38: "dpkg -S filename" if you have dlocate installed, dlocate is much faster |
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| 17:23.01 | jordanm | note that generated files will not appear on either |
| 17:23.12 | g38 | thanks! |
| 17:23.23 | jhutchins_lt | Remind me what Current status: 91 updates [-1]. |
| 17:23.25 | jhutchins_lt | means? |
| 17:23.43 | dima_ | stew: thanks. dd is the only (relevant) thing I know about, but it requires a regular file in "of=...", so it's inconvenient |
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| 17:24.06 | stew | jhutchins_lt: 91 packages could be upgraded, which is a change of -1 |
| 17:24.11 | jpinx-eeepc | zamaliphe: get your old system up to date before you do *anything* |
| 17:24.24 | jhutchins_lt | stew: Yet full-upgrade doesn't do anything. |
| 17:24.32 | stew | dima_: no, it doesn't require a regular file |
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| 17:24.44 | stew | jhutchins_lt: does "aptitude search '~U'" tell you? |
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| 17:25.14 | jhutchins_lt | stew: Null |
| 17:25.17 | steven43126 | Any one know what occurs when booting the kernel beteen the log lines [ 30.048553] eth0: no IPv6 routers present and [ 881.908009] kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds |
| 17:25.26 | steven43126 | as you can see there is a rather large delay |
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| 17:27.01 | jordanm | steven43126: I would say it was probably done at 30 |
| 17:27.05 | dima_ | stew: yes, i'm mistaken. It requires a stream. So it can be used to get the byte. But I don't know how to convert that byte into a decimal. Should I "cat" that byte? |
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| 17:27.20 | jordanm | steven43126: /var/log/dmesg contains only a dmesg snapshot from boot, so you can see exactly when booting stopped |
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| 17:28.37 | steven43126 | jordanm: the output im looking at it from dmesg just after boot |
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| 17:30.59 | steven43126 | i suspect the problem is something to do with ext3 init code as there is a 1tb raid array on the smartarray controller. I think the delay is happening mounting that :( |
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| 17:31.42 | steven43126 | anyone else seen similar issues with ext3 and large volumes at boot ? |
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| 17:33.21 | Cisien | http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-484938?hpt=C2 |
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| 17:34.42 | jordanm | steven43126: your boot took 15min? |
| 17:34.47 | stew | Cisien: wrong channel, please keep it limited to debian related stuff in here |
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| 17:35.28 | stew | dima_: a=$(dd if=/some/file bs=1 count=1) ; then you could, i suppose "printf "%d" $a", but again, you should probably be using a scripting language better suited, liek perl, python, c, whatever |
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| 17:36.10 | steven43126 | jordanm: yup exactly |
| 17:36.12 | dima_ | stew: thanks |
| 17:36.26 | jordanm | steven43126: try bootchart |
| 17:36.38 | steven43126 | jordanm: can not reboot this machine now :) |
| 17:36.43 | redLAW | is there any good tutoriol for setup lightpptd server on debian on VPS |
| 17:37.15 | jordanm | redLAW: try the lighttpd-doc package? |
| 17:37.43 | steven43126 | Jarvis: it's a live database server that we though we had just lost :) 15 min boot seems very excessive but looking at it in detail it seems 2 partitions were mounted fine cciss/c0d0p1 and cciss/c0d0p6 and then the large partition caused the excessive dealy |
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| 17:38.05 | steven43126 | Jarvis: sorry that was meant for jordanm |
| 17:38.09 | jordanm | steven43126: what version of debian? |
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| 17:38.27 | moofius | Err, I installed latest debian, and now my computer wont boot |
| 17:38.30 | steven43126 | jordanm: lenny 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 17:38.30 | redLAW | jordanm: i thought a fast one with needed steps |
| 17:38.46 | moofius | I'm getting "operating system not found |
| 17:39.02 | jordanm | redLAW: you mean one that will explain the wrong way to do in a manor that you learn nothing? |
| 17:39.23 | steven43126 | jordanm: i can only assume that the ext3 kernel code is performing some kind of check ? |
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| 17:39.46 | steven43126 | jordanm: ie there is no fsck been run or anything else logged |
| 17:39.46 | redLAW | jordanm: you are right, stupid me... :) |
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| 17:40.02 | jordanm | steven43126: did you have physical access to it? fsck maybe? |
| 17:40.08 | Darkmagister | question about a deb file name, it correct foo_0.1.1++debiantesting_amd64.deb ?? |
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| 17:40.33 | Darkmagister | or without debian ? only testing ? ... and with +o - ??? |
| 17:40.35 | moofius | When I press f11 at start I just get the text "GRUB" and a blinking _ |
| 17:40.41 | jordanm | Darkmagister: ++debiantesting is not typical |
| 17:40.52 | steven43126 | jordanm: pasite of dmesg output here http://pastie.org/1118429 |
| 17:41.36 | Darkmagister | +debiantesting maybe only +testing ??? or -testing ? |
| 17:41.37 | steven43126 | jordanm: yeh it was booted a few times as it appeared to be hanging, booting from a an alternate source an fsck was run on /boot but no errors reported. |
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| 17:42.16 | jordanm | Darkmagister: packages that go into debian testing are release canditidates. nothing specifically targets "testing" in that way |
| 17:42.52 | Darkmagister | ok ... only foo_0.1.1+_amd64.deb ? |
| 17:43.31 | Darkmagister | the + is because it's the dev version |
| 17:43.31 | jordanm | Darkmagister: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 17:44.01 | jordanm | Darkmagister: yes, but in that example there is no seperation of upstream and debian versions |
| 17:44.15 | jordanm | and you made the debian version "+" |
| 17:44.57 | Darkmagister | i want to change the cmake file of a program to make a deb package respect the deb policy |
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| 17:45.23 | jordanm | Darkmagister: you don't do that by altering the upstream build system. have you read the new maintainers guide? |
| 17:45.26 | Darkmagister | only 0.5.1+testing without any other separtion ? |
| 17:45.33 | Darkmagister | no |
| 17:45.35 | Darkmagister | :D |
| 17:45.38 | jordanm | debian/changelog defines the version of the deb |
| 17:45.44 | jordanm | Darkmagister: that is *required* reading |
| 17:45.48 | jordanm | !tell Darkmagister about nmg |
| 17:47.00 | jordanm | steven43126: I am really not sure, but I would guess at an issue with the filesystem on the 1TB drive |
| 17:48.19 | stew | Darkmagister: policy 5.6.12 is what you want to read. foo_0.1.1++debiantesting_amd64.deb says that it is natively packaged (which is probably wrong) (means there was no debian revision to the package) and that the upstream version of the package (as released by the foo authors) is 0.1.1++debiantesting |
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| 17:51.39 | jordanm | stew: native because it lacks a debian revision? |
| 17:51.43 | stew | yes |
| 17:51.56 | stew | which is generally frowned upon unless this is software specific to debian |
| 17:52.07 | stew | (unless you ask the wrong person) |
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| 17:52.18 | jordanm | yeah, I have seen a few RFS packages get shot down for that sort of thing |
| 17:52.39 | stew | but then all of joey hess's packages don't have a debian revision |
| 17:52.53 | stew | he gets a pass on being generally awesome though |
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| 17:54.04 | jordanm | debhelper does seem really nice |
| 17:54.06 | Darkmagister | ok i remove some part of the name ... foo_0.1.1+_amd64.deb i think it's enough |
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| 17:55.05 | jordanm | Darkmagister: that still lacks a debian revision |
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| 17:55.33 | jordanm | and you seem to be talking as if you manually name the .deb instead of dpkg-deb doing it based on debian/changelog |
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| 17:58.13 | Darkmagister | i have to use cmake ... and i don't know very well how it's work ... |
| 17:58.42 | jordanm | why would you use cmake to create a debian package? |
| 17:58.49 | jordanm | how is that even possible? |
| 17:59.39 | stew | Darkmagister: cmake should have nothing to do with the debian version number, the debian build scripts are going to grab the debian version number from debian/changelog |
| 17:59.44 | stew | Darkmagister: have you read the NM guide? |
| 17:59.54 | Darkmagister | yes |
| 18:00.09 | jordanm | Darkmagister: you answered no to that question 15min ago! |
| 18:00.16 | Darkmagister | yes |
| 18:00.24 | Darkmagister | i read now ... not all |
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| 18:10.04 | egns | does anybody know if there's a way to make wget skip large files? this is, i want to download an entire site using wget -r but i don't want wget to get some 2G files that are around |
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| 18:19.50 | zutme | Does anyone know a command to view information about a particular file system? Block size etc? |
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| 18:22.16 | xbob | stat file |
| 18:22.46 | tarzeau | zutme: or the filesystem info tool? |
| 18:22.52 | tarzeau | zutme: what is it? ext? ufs? xfs? |
| 18:22.56 | zutme | ext4 |
| 18:23.15 | jordanm | zutme: what version of debian? |
| 18:23.23 | zutme | squueze |
| 18:23.26 | zutme | squueze* |
| 18:23.34 | zutme | haha squeeze* |
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| 18:23.40 | fantasticulous | hi guys. when i do apt-get install something, sometimes it asks me "continue with installation? [Y/n]" -- how do i disable this, but i'd also like to keep the screens that ask me if i want to overwrite a hand-modified file |
| 18:23.47 | fxiny | iirc dumpe2fs |
| 18:24.06 | jordanm | zutme: possibly debugfs |
| 18:24.25 | jordanm | ah, dumpe2fs looks more right |
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| 18:24.45 | fxiny | jordanm: you know i like dump ;) |
| 18:24.49 | jordanm | fantasticulous: what version of debian do you use? |
| 18:24.55 | fantasticulous | testing |
| 18:24.57 | fantasticulous | up-to-date |
| 18:24.57 | jordanm | !tell fantasticulous about why aptitude |
| 18:25.07 | jordanm | fantasticulous: you *really* don't want to do that |
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| 18:25.23 | jordanm | you should be closely looking at every upgrade to determine if it will break your system |
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| 18:25.52 | jordanm | not as likely to happen now that its in a freeze.. but there is still an apt transition to go |
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| 18:26.28 | fxiny | jordanm: wasn't debugfs good for recovering ext2 deleted files ? |
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| 18:26.35 | fantasticulous | ok good idea, thanks |
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| 18:26.59 | jordanm | fxiny: yes, it can dump the journal and other cool things |
| 18:27.13 | fxiny | jordanm: i miss old dear ext2 |
| 18:27.29 | jordanm | I still use it for thumb drives and boot partitions :) |
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| 18:31.34 | michalxo | jhutchins_lt fresh installation of debian worked... seems like that conflict with unplayable videos was caused by debian-multimedia packages.. somehow :-/ |
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| 18:33.39 | jhutchins_lt | Interesting. I'm fairly comfortable with my lenny install on this laptop, but maybe I need to try a clean install to get kbluetooth working. |
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| 18:35.19 | arosen | I think i must have some kind of LIBRARY_PATH issue because one I run make on one computer it says error jni.h no suck file or directory but that file is located in /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.20/include/jni.h (Anyone know why this may be?) |
| 18:36.11 | jordanm | arosen: is sun java set as your default java alternative? |
| 18:36.25 | jordanm | ,file jni.h |
| 18:36.28 | judd | jni.h in lenny/i386: java-gcj-compat-dev: usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-gcj-4.3-1.5.0.0/include/jni.h; libgcj9-dev: usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.3/include/jni.h; sun-java5-jdk: usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.22/include/jni.h; openjdk-6-jdk: usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/include/jni.h; sun-java6-jdk: usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.20/include/jni.h; libgcj8-dev: usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux- |
| 18:36.30 | judd | gnu/4.2/include/jni.h; iceape-dev: usr/include/iceape/java/jni.h, usr/include/iceape/jni.h, usr/include/iceape/oji/ProxyJNI.h; classpath-common: usr/include/classpath/jni.h; kaffe-dev: usr/lib/kaffe/include/jni.h, usr/lib/kaffe/include/kaffe_jni.h; xulrunner-dev: usr/include/xulrunner-1.9/stable/jni.h, usr/include/xulrunner-1.9/unstable/ProxyJNI.h, usr/include/xulrunner-1.9/unstable/jni.h; (1 more message) |
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| 18:39.05 | arosen | jordan: I think so |
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| 18:39.12 | arosen | When i run sudo update-alternatives --config java |
| 18:39.23 | arosen | It shows this one is selected * 2 /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/bin/java |
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| 18:41.01 | Jarvis | np steven43126 :) |
| 18:41.05 | hiku | 3/j #debian |
| 18:41.28 | arosen | jordanm: does that no look right? |
| 18:41.33 | arosen | not* |
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| 18:45.20 | arosen | jordanm: http://pastebin.com/Rv3G3MC3 |
| 18:45.27 | North_Italian69 | how to list the packages installed by user, not the default system one? |
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| 18:50.39 | arosen | jordanm: nvm i got it sorry |
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| 18:54.27 | g0rd0n | question: is it possible, on an ext3 filesystem, that it gets checked on startup? i rebooted a remote headless server and am wondering why it's still not up after half an hour... |
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| 18:55.16 | fxiny | yes , file corruption |
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| 18:57.20 | g0rd0n | ok how much more should i wait before issuing a hard reset? :P |
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| 18:57.34 | KB1JWQ | g0rd0n: Figure out what it's doing via console first. |
| 18:57.52 | fxiny | i'm just guessing it waits for fsck |
| 18:58.23 | g0rd0n | KB1JWQ: i dont have a console unfortunately... its a piece of shit machine |
| 18:58.45 | KB1JWQ | g0rd0n: Go to lunch/dinner. Give it a couple hours. You really don't want to down it in the middle of that. |
| 18:58.52 | KB1JWQ | g0rd0n: You don't have a monitor you can slap onto it? |
| 18:59.19 | g0rd0n | KB1JWQ: i am a couple of hundred miles away so now |
| 18:59.24 | g0rd0n | i will try to be patient :) |
| 18:59.34 | sui | g0rd0n: do you ave a kvm adapter or ipmi interface? |
| 18:59.43 | g0rd0n | not on that machine |
| 19:00.43 | sui | when fsck detect filesystem errors it will wait for your interaction giving the root pw for maintenance |
| 19:00.57 | g0rd0n | oh that's not good :P |
| 19:01.09 | sui | you just have to wait or order someone to take a look on that machine |
| 19:01.28 | jordanm | unless your hosting provider has a virtual serial console :) |
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| 19:03.00 | g0rd0n | jordanm: i told them they were renting a piece of shit, but they insisted on it... |
| 19:03.02 | g0rd0n | lol |
| 19:03.19 | pallgone | if the drive is big ext3 check can take quite some time |
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| 19:03.47 | pallgone | (i mean if it is a regular one) |
| 19:03.57 | g0rd0n | could even be ext2 i have no idea... it's a debian 3.1 machine that was upgraded to 4.0 and 5.0 |
| 19:05.04 | sui | g0rd0n: if it comes back - edit you fstab and turn of file system checks |
| 19:05.57 | jhutchins_lt | Actually, schedule regular filesystem checks and time them. |
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| 19:06.34 | sui | jhutchins_lt: fscks not possible on mounted devices ... |
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| 19:10.06 | jhutchins_lt | sui: Correct. |
| 19:10.14 | jhutchins_lt | sui: Well, you can do a passive check. |
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| 19:22.28 | BrendenB | hi, I can't get my Nvidia GTS 250 graphics card working on Debian squeeze and I've tried the nouveau module and it doesn't work :/ |
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| 19:24.32 | metalfoo | BrendenB: You may try the binary driver |
| 19:24.59 | BrendenB | so try the driver on nividia's site? |
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| 19:25.27 | metalfoo | Yes, Although Debian includes it in it's non-free (or contrib) section |
| 19:25.46 | BrendenB | oh. |
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| 19:26.43 | metalfoo | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/nvidia-glx non-free |
| 19:26.57 | BrendenB | oh |
| 19:26.57 | Gijs | guys how to fix this: |
| 19:26.58 | BrendenB | ok |
| 19:26.59 | BrendenB | thanks |
| 19:27.30 | Gijs | iptables -A ISPCP_INPUT --dport 7777 -s 84.87.124.465 --destination 188.40.80.91 -j REJECT |
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| 19:27.42 | Gijs | if i type this in my server i get this: |
| 19:27.43 | Gijs | iptables v1.4.2: Unknown arg `(null)' |
| 19:27.43 | Gijs | Try `iptables -h' or 'iptables --help' for more information. |
| 19:27.51 | Gijs | what is wrong with it? |
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| 19:29.16 | Gijs | ? |
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| 19:30.55 | jordanm | I am attempting to do a diff and a newly added file shows "Only in new//debian: README.source". how can I get this file to actually be written out in the patch? I see --new-file in the manpage but it does not sound like it will do what I want here |
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| 19:31.37 | jordanm | err, it does do what I want, sorry for noise |
| 19:32.06 | jordanm | "Treat absent files as empty." is perhaps not the best description for the option |
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| 19:33.41 | ghostknife | Regarding the /etc/network/interfaces file, is it possible to put variables or shell expansions in here? |
| 19:33.42 | Gijs | anybody? |
| 19:33.56 | ghostknife | Or something which can dynamically read a value from a file> |
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| 19:34.37 | jordanm | ghostknife: what is the use scenerio for something like that?? |
| 19:35.00 | BrendenB | metalfoo: in the description of the 4 packages for the nvidia i dont see NVIDIA GTS 250, should i just try the drivers off of nvidia's site? |
| 19:35.05 | squisher | evening folks, I prepared a debian package which I think would be useful to a wider audience, but it's not up to par for inclusion in debian (freeze aside) |
| 19:35.18 | squisher | does anyone know where I can post to make people aware of it? |
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| 19:35.56 | metalfoo | ghostknife: Yes, somewhat limited though. You may use $IFACE and so on. See interfaces(5) |
| 19:36.10 | stew | squisher: is it something that would be useful in debian? |
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| 19:36.33 | metalfoo | BrendenB: I don't know exactly from what version your driver is supported. You may find out on Nvidia's changelog. |
| 19:36.42 | metalfoo | your device I mean |
| 19:36.58 | jordanm | BrendenB: what version of debian? |
| 19:37.06 | metalfoo | Squeeze |
| 19:37.07 | BrendenB | debian squeeze |
| 19:37.29 | jordanm | BrendenB: the nvidia drivers in squeeze are fine for gts 250 |
| 19:37.41 | squisher | stew, in principle, yeah. It's a ia32 package which collects the missing dependencies for amazonmp3 on 64bit sid |
| 19:37.43 | jordanm | BrendenB: follow the instructions on the wiki |
| 19:37.43 | BrendenB | im trying to find which package to install tho. |
| 19:37.49 | BrendenB | ah |
| 19:37.50 | squisher | but I think for inclusion I'd have to package that separately |
| 19:37.54 | jordanm | !tell BrendenB about nvidia |
| 19:38.11 | jordanm | BrendenB: the page needs some work and can be difficult to follow. just drop back in if you have trouble |
| 19:38.19 | BrendenB | ok |
| 19:38.21 | BrendenB | thanks |
| 19:39.04 | squisher | stew, and I know not everyone on the project would find such a package particularly necessary ;-) |
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| 19:40.14 | CityOfLights | hi all |
| 19:40.23 | CityOfLights | can anyone pls help me with ipw2200 ? |
| 19:40.37 | jordanm | !tell CityOfLights about ipw2200 |
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| 19:44.14 | Gijs | anybody? |
| 19:44.20 | jhutchins_lt | How do I open a docx file... |
| 19:44.55 | squisher | jhutchins_lt, did you try openoffice? |
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| 19:47.05 | jhutchins_lt | Didn't pick up on it. |
| 19:47.38 | Gijs | can anybody help me? |
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| 19:50.00 | jhutchins_lt | squisher: Looks like you need a filter/convertor that's only available as an rpm. |
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| 19:50.28 | jhutchins_lt | Eh, actually I specified oowriter and it did just fine. |
| 19:51.00 | Thaxll | You can convert rmp to deb |
| 19:51.02 | mryanbrown | http://pastebin.com/mNBQRm2n can someone help me with an ipv6 routing issue? I can ping ipv6 from the box, but it isn't routing ipv6 data correctly from other machines |
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| 19:52.15 | jhutchins_lt | Thaxll: lenny's oo2.4 doesn't seem to need it after all, just didn't have the mime type. |
| 19:52.20 | Gijs | if i type this as root: iptables -A ISPCP_INPUT --dport 7777 -s 84.87.124.465 --destination 188.40.80.91 -j REJECT i get this: |
| 19:52.21 | Gijs | iptables v1.4.2: Unknown arg `(null)' |
| 19:52.27 | Gijs | what is wrong? |
| 19:52.53 | jhutchins_lt | Gijs: Packet type? (tcp/udp) |
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| 19:56.24 | Dagger2 | mryanbrown: your routing table has no route for 2001:470:d:1c1::/64 |
| 19:56.35 | Dagger2 | try adding an IP in that range to eth0 |
| 19:56.48 | michalxo | guys, could FGLRX driver help with solving wake up problem in suspend/hibernation? |
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| 19:57.05 | mryanbrown | ah i figured it was cause eth0 had no ipv6 |
| 19:57.18 | jhutchins_lt | michalxo: Depends on the wake up problem in suspend/hibernation. |
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| 19:57.59 | Dagger2 | it's not required, you can just add the route manually |
| 19:58.01 | michalxo | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=594496 :-/ |
| 19:58.19 | michalxo | it has been known in "ubuntu" for 2 years ... :-( |
| 19:58.36 | michalxo | that's why I migrate to debian... from that pseudo-distro |
| 19:58.40 | mryanbrown | how would you recommend adding it manually? im not too versed on ip |
| 19:59.11 | Dagger2 | `ip r a 2001:470:d:1c1::/64 dev eth0` |
| 19:59.21 | Gijs | jhutchins if i type this: iptables -A ISPCP_INPUT --dport 7777 -s 84.87.124.465 --destination 188.40.80.91 -p tcp -j REJECT |
| 19:59.25 | Gijs | i get the same error -.- |
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| 20:00.11 | mryanbrown | ahhhh much thanks, worked |
| 20:00.36 | mryanbrown | how would you recommend added the routing so it sticks on reboot? |
| 20:01.21 | Dagger2 | I guess you would need to add that as an up command in /etc/network/interfaces for eth0... but I think the more correct way to do it would be to add an inet6 block to configure e.g. 2001:470:d:1c1::1/64 on eth0 |
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| 20:02.41 | Dagger2 | http://pastebin.com/0np2aMfc something like that |
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| 20:03.09 | Gijs | anybody? |
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| 20:05.57 | cityLights | hi all , I got a thinkpad with ipw2200 and can't connect to any wireless ap |
| 20:06.09 | cityLights | usign new 2.6.32 , new install |
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| 20:06.57 | mryanbrown | thanks Dagger2 |
| 20:07.15 | michalxo | cityLights try wicd :-)) |
| 20:07.27 | michalxo | cityLights what wifi |
| 20:07.53 | Gijs | people i cannot update iptables to the newest version, if i do apt-get install iptables i get: |
| 20:07.57 | Gijs | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 4 not upgraded. |
| 20:08.38 | Gijs | how to update lol? |
| 20:08.40 | mryanbrown | i think you need to specify in the apt-get trigger to use the backports |
| 20:08.44 | Gijs | what? |
| 20:08.49 | Gijs | command please :)? |
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| 20:09.17 | anxt` | i am getting this error in Xorg.0.log |
| 20:09.19 | anxt` | (EE) XKB: Could not invoke xkbcomp |
| 20:09.19 | anxt` | (EE) XKB: Couldn't compile keymap |
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| 20:09.32 | hiku | Gijs: apt-get update iptables? or apt-get upgrade iptables? |
| 20:09.33 | mryanbrown | http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 20:09.48 | Dagger2 | while we're on the topic... anybody have any clue how to disable ipv4? |
| 20:10.11 | Gijs | http://pastebin.com/d1pnmbej |
| 20:10.17 | Dagger2 | I ended up doing this: http://dagger.pastebin.com/WEgvAs7n |
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| 20:10.24 | anxt` | Dagger2: wouldn't that break many appliactions? |
| 20:10.50 | Dagger2 | which doesn't seem very correct to me (running a command to bring the interface up, which is triggered when the interface is brought up...) |
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| 20:11.37 | Dagger2 | none that I care about; I'm only using the machine for iSCSI and SSH |
| 20:11.39 | Gijs | apt-get upgrade iptables returns: http://pastebin.com/d1pnmbej |
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| 20:12.06 | anxt` | seem foolish to try and "disable" ipv4 |
| 20:12.30 | mryanbrown | it would be much easier to just bind to ipv6 only |
| 20:12.34 | anxt` | you might want ipv4 on 127.0.0.1 |
| 20:12.42 | anxt` | or firewall ipv4 |
| 20:12.42 | Dagger2 | well, ok, not "disable", but successfully bring up the interface without configuring an ipv4 address on it |
| 20:12.58 | karme | Dagger2: just use inet6 static? |
| 20:12.59 | Gijs | can anybody help please, hiku, mryanbrown? |
| 20:13.01 | mryanbrown | did you try inet static |
| 20:13.03 | anxt` | oh, i thought you meant rip out part of the kernel lol |
| 20:13.04 | mryanbrown | and just not configure an ip |
| 20:13.32 | anxt` | you could also bring up a static private IP with no route ;) |
| 20:13.39 | mryanbrown | that too |
| 20:14.07 | anxt` | so why is it that xorg breaks on xkbdcomp on squeeze/? |
| 20:15.03 | Dagger2 | inet static with no config doesn't work |
| 20:15.25 | mryanbrown | what happens if you just dont configure eth0 |
| 20:15.27 | anxt` | you could use the foo range |
| 20:15.35 | mryanbrown | take it out of interfaces entirely |
| 20:15.38 | Dagger2 | and "inet manual" fails to mark the interface as being up unless you do it yourself |
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| 20:16.29 | mryanbrown | hmm |
| 20:16.48 | Gijs | anybody? |
| 20:16.51 | hiku | Gijs: can you pastebin the output from "apt-cache show iptables" |
| 20:19.18 | Dagger2 | same effect if I don't mention it at all; the interface doesn't come up |
| 20:19.36 | anxt` | you can just ifconfig ethX up |
| 20:19.46 | anxt` | maybe add it to the network scripts |
| 20:19.54 | anxt` | ifconfig up works without a config |
| 20:20.14 | Dagger2 | which is what I ended up with |
| 20:20.29 | Dagger2 | but I really don't think that's the right way to do it |
| 20:20.49 | Gijs | http://pastebin.com/8C7ZBcQL |
| 20:20.49 | mryanbrown | is there a right way to disable ipv4? |
| 20:20.52 | anxt` | there probably isn't a right way |
| 20:20.54 | Gijs | hiku: http://pastebin.com/8C7ZBcQL |
| 20:20.59 | anxt` | since it isn't a sane thing to do |
| 20:21.01 | g0rd0n | my system hangs aftere these messages: |
| 20:21.03 | g0rd0n | Checking quotas...done. |
| 20:21.03 | g0rd0n | Turning on quotas...done. |
| 20:21.06 | g0rd0n | what can it be? |
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| 20:21.15 | anxt` | i would suggest turning off ipv4 as retarded |
| 20:21.39 | g0rd0n | nvm |
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| 20:21.49 | anxt` | thats just my $0.02 worth |
| 20:21.58 | cityLights | hi? |
| 20:22.04 | cityLights | did I miss my answer? |
| 20:22.13 | hiku | Gijs: and what version are you running? |
| 20:23.14 | Gijs | 1.4.2 |
| 20:24.02 | BrendenB | hi, i can't seem to find emerald in the debian or anywhere else is there any packaged binary for debian squeeze for emerald? |
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| 20:24.46 | hiku | Gijs: ok, then you are most likely running the most current version. |
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| 20:25.26 | Gijs | but there is a new iptable version: 1.4.4 |
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| 20:26.24 | hiku | Gijs: is that showing up in apt-cache search iptables ? |
| 20:26.34 | Gijs | no? |
| 20:26.49 | hiku | Gijs: then you have the latest version |
| 20:27.00 | Gijs | hmm |
| 20:27.04 | Gijs | then what is wrong with this: |
| 20:27.09 | hiku | Gijs: unless you are planning on compiling from source. |
| 20:27.21 | Gijs | iptables -A ISPCP_INPUT --dport 7777 -s 84.87.124.465 --destination 188.40.80.91 -j REJECT i get this: |
| 20:27.27 | Gijs | iptables v1.4.2: Unknown arg `(null)' |
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| 20:28.19 | hiku | Gijs: don't you need to specify the interface? sorry, not an iptables expert. |
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| 20:28.57 | Thaxll | the problem is your iptables command not the software itself ... |
| 20:29.07 | Gijs | i tried this: |
| 20:29.21 | Gijs | iptables -A ISPCP_INPUT --dport 7777 -s 84.87.124.465 --destination 188.40.80.91 -p tcp -j REJECT |
| 20:29.23 | Gijs | same error |
| 20:29.37 | anxt` | be nice if someone ported pf for linux |
| 20:29.48 | anxt` | mayb i could write a perl wrapper lol |
| 20:31.38 | sabayonuser | hello. when using a debian live cd , i am having wireless issues on my hp laptop with the broadcom built-in (bcm4306). it is not being recognized.. but when i use opensuse it has no problem ( i realize that opensuse prolly has the firmware). so how do i resolve this |
| 20:31.57 | Thaxll | Gijs: could you explain ISPCP_INPUT ? |
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| 20:32.38 | Gijs | that is the name of the input or something |
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| 20:34.02 | Gijs | somebody told me that the name was important |
| 20:34.19 | hiku | Gijs: man iptables |
| 20:34.22 | Gijs | ... |
| 20:34.23 | Thaxll | problem is --dport |
| 20:34.30 | Gijs | what is wrong with it? |
| 20:35.17 | Thaxll | There is something in the parameters which is wrong prolly order / command |
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| 20:35.33 | Gijs | and you know what that is? |
| 20:35.40 | Thaxll | i'm looking |
| 20:35.44 | Gijs | :) |
| 20:36.15 | Dagger2 | -m tcp? |
| 20:36.26 | anxt` | 2 things that piss me off about linux. iptables and alsa |
| 20:36.28 | anxt` | like wtf |
| 20:36.41 | coredump777 | ouch, tried to install zabbix-server-pgsql from testing now and went crazy with a broken kerberos package :P |
| 20:36.42 | anxt` | is it really necessary to be arcane about everything? |
| 20:36.43 | Gijs | same error |
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| 20:37.07 | cityLights | ok, here is all the info gathered, from my wifi: http://dpaste.com/234523/ |
| 20:37.07 | coredump777 | anxt`, iptables is not arcane after you understand how it works |
| 20:37.36 | Gijs | this command needs to block a IP from a ip and port |
| 20:37.38 | cityLights | how to get dhcp answer with the ipw2200 on 2.6.32? |
| 20:38.03 | anxt` | coredump777: nor is it intuitive |
| 20:38.13 | anxt` | sure, i can use it |
| 20:38.17 | hiku | Gijs: if you are blocking an ip then why block it and the port, wouldn't all ports then be blocked? |
| 20:38.17 | anxt` | i just prefer pf |
| 20:38.32 | Gijs | no |
| 20:38.39 | Gijs | i just want the IP blocks from 1 port and 1 ip |
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| 20:39.08 | Gijs | it is a IP Block system for game servers |
| 20:39.28 | hiku | Gijs: how about something like - iptables -A INPUT -s 65.55.44.100 -p tcp --destination-port 25 -j DROP then |
| 20:39.29 | Thaxll | try that : |
| 20:39.30 | Thaxll | iptables -A ISPCP_INPUT -p tcp --dport 7777 -s 84.87.124.465 --destination 188.40.80.91 -j REJECT |
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| 20:39.50 | joltcan | Gijs: iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport portnum -s ip.ad.d.re.ss -d anotherip -j REJECT |
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| 20:39.57 | Tramp | what IP is 84.87.124.465 ?? |
| 20:40.02 | Tramp | 465 |
| 20:40.11 | jhutchins | fake |
| 20:40.12 | neur0x | xD |
| 20:40.13 | Thaxll | prolly a server which is DDOSing him :o |
| 20:40.21 | Tramp | it's invalid |
| 20:40.36 | Gijs | a new error: iptables: No chain/target/match by that name |
| 20:40.46 | Gijs | is a chain/target/match required? |
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| 20:41.07 | Thaxll | Which one u tried? |
| 20:41.10 | jhutchins | Gijs: Yes, DROP. |
| 20:41.24 | Gijs | what? |
| 20:41.34 | hiku | Gijs: this works fine for me - http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/how-do-i-block-an-ip-on-my-linux-server/ |
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| 20:41.52 | Thaxll | If you only have 1 IP there is no need to forward / nat |
| 20:41.53 | hiku | tho I really don't know what ISPCP is... |
| 20:41.56 | joltcan | Gijs: are you using -A ISPCP_INPUT? In that case, have you created the ISPCP_INPUT chain by -N? |
| 20:41.56 | Gijs | ahh nbow it works to :) |
| 20:41.56 | Thaxll | so --destination is useless |
| 20:41.57 | Dagger2 | does ISPCP_INPUT exist? maybe you just want INPUT? |
| 20:42.02 | Gijs | i put INPUT |
| 20:42.14 | hiku | Google ftw =) |
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| 20:42.54 | hiku | google make dumb ppl like me smarter, and smart ppl well...=) bored? |
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| 20:44.12 | michalxo | guys, another question... does anyone got into problem with automatically uninstallable aptitude today? Seems like aptitude has crashed with dependecies |
| 20:44.14 | mryanbrown | you cant get bored with google, even being smart |
| 20:44.20 | mryanbrown | thats when you move from google, to google scholar |
| 20:44.41 | cahoot | michalxo: checked bts? |
| 20:44.46 | Gijs | oke now i tested the IPTable |
| 20:44.52 | michalxo | !bts |
| 20:44.53 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 20:45.02 | Gijs | but i can still join the gameserver on ip 188.40.80.91:7777 |
| 20:45.07 | michalxo | aha :-) can't move in it yet.. going to see it, thanks cahoot ;-) |
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| 20:46.59 | hiku | Gijs: yea nmap shows that port as filtered, not closed. |
| 20:48.18 | jhutchins_lt | Is there a clever way I can find all packages that starte with blue and are from backports and de-select then remove them with their dependencies? |
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| 20:48.28 | mcl0vin | i can login to my box with user1 fine, but when i try user2 which i just created i get 'Connection closed by server with exitcode 1' |
| 20:48.38 | mcl0vin | usign sftp filezilla |
| 20:49.02 | Gijs | hiku how to close it? |
| 20:49.04 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: one problem with the "from backports", if you use aptitude, it will show packages with have a version in backports but not nescissarily installed |
| 20:49.42 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: that is even the case with something like aptitude search ~i~Alenny-backports |
| 20:50.28 | Gijs | hiku how to let the server block ALL connections to 7777 for the blocked ip? |
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| 20:51.14 | Armageddon | hello everyone, I installed squeeze/testing today, and my screen is flickering even though I installed all ATI drivers, anyone has any idea why ? |
| 20:51.34 | mryanbrown | crt or lcd monitor? |
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| 20:51.52 | mryanbrown | your res/hz could be out of sync |
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| 20:52.31 | ongolaBoy | Gijs: "iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 7777 -s a.b.c.d -d 188.40.80.91 -j REJECT " assuming a.b.c.d is a valid IPv4 address |
| 20:52.43 | Armageddon | mryanbrown, it's a laptop |
| 20:52.52 | Armageddon | so I'd say LCD |
| 20:52.58 | ongolaBoy | Gijs: it should be fine with that rule I think |
| 20:53.37 | Armageddon | mryanbrown, it's like lines going through, lines of distortion, not going on and off and the hz is 60 which is normal |
| 20:54.42 | mcl0vin | i can sftp to my box with user1 fine using filezilla from windows machine, but when i try user2 which i just created i get 'Connection closed by server with exitcode 1 and 'Fatal: unable to initialise SFTP on server: could not connect Could not connect to server please help |
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| 20:56.19 | hiku | Gijs: on a firewall, all ports should be disabled by default, then you open the ports you want, not the other way around. - check out this - http://lists.netfilter.org/pipermail/netfilter/2003-February/042131.html |
| 20:56.49 | jhutchins_lt | W00T! Downgraded bluetooth from bpo to main, kbluetooth works! |
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| 20:57.25 | stuckey | how do I get the dvb-bt8xx module? |
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| 20:57.38 | stuckey | I did modprobe dvb-bt8xx, but then when I do lsmod it isn't there. |
| 20:57.41 | stuckey | I'm on squeeze. |
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| 20:57.54 | Gokee2 | mcl0vin, Did you try a normal ssh into the box as user 2? Have you looked at the log files? |
| 20:58.31 | mcl0vin | Gokee2: yes i can ssh to the box with user2 fine |
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| 20:59.44 | mcl0vin | Gokee2: wait i take that back, when i ssh with that user i get '/bin/sh: No such file or directory' |
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| 21:01.07 | Gokee2 | mcl0vin, How did you make your new user? If you used useradd instead of adduser it would not have created a home dir and such for your new user |
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| 21:02.08 | hiku | so I have a question. what are the advantages/dis-advantages of using ubuntu over debain? |
| 21:02.12 | mcl0vin | Gokee2: this was an old user that used to work before, i just happen to forgot the password so i passwd user2 |
| 21:03.04 | Gokee2 | mcl0vin, Do you have a /bin/sh? You can always make one with a symbolic link to dash or bash |
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| 21:03.30 | mcl0vin | which sh |
| 21:03.32 | mcl0vin | /bin/sh |
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| 21:04.20 | Gokee2 | mcl0vin, Perhaps somehow your user2 does not have access to it? |
| 21:04.38 | mcl0vin | Gokee2: how can i tell please |
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| 21:05.06 | Gokee2 | mcl0vin, Check the permissions with ls -lah /bin/sh |
| 21:05.06 | mcl0vin | testuser:x:1001:1001::/home/testuser:/bin/sh |
| 21:05.22 | Gokee2 | It should be lrwxrwxrwx |
| 21:05.32 | mcl0vin | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2010-01-08 17:01 /bin/sh -> dash |
| 21:05.41 | Gokee2 | Ok that looks fine |
| 21:06.39 | MrFrood | hiku: the biggest differance is the philosophy |
| 21:06.40 | Gokee2 | What groups is user2 in? He *might* need to be in users or such but I am not sure |
| 21:07.38 | mcl0vin | testuser:x:1001:mcl0vin exhfiles:x:1002:testuser,mcl0vin |
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| 21:08.08 | hiku | MrFrood: nice, thank you. |
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| 21:08.50 | Gokee2 | mcl0vin, Eh? Whats that output from? |
| 21:09.08 | mcl0vin | '/etc/group |
| 21:09.21 | MrFrood | hiku: see http://www.debian.org/social_contract |
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| 21:09.37 | hiku | MrFrood: oh cool, ok thank you. |
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| 21:09.56 | mooglefrange | Stupid qustion: using anacron, if a task has been missed for like 3 days, and then I turn on the computer, it performs the task only once, yes? |
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| 21:10.55 | Gokee2 | mcl0vin, Then (assuming a space is a newline) why is there no entry for mcl0vin? What user is not working? |
| 21:11.08 | mcl0vin | testuser |
| 21:11.20 | mcl0vin | oh these are 2 lines |
| 21:12.25 | Gokee2 | mcl0vin, Why is testuser not in his own group? |
| 21:12.40 | mcl0vin | :) good question |
| 21:13.54 | Gokee2 | Although I really don't think you need to be in ANY groups to access /bin/sh.... |
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| 21:14.35 | MrFrood | hiku: Debian is non-profit volunteer organisation, Canonical (the company behind Ubuntu) is a for profit incorperated company. |
| 21:16.00 | hiku | MrFrood: yea, I'm thinking about switching. Long time redhat user here, mostly for servers. As for desktop, I've been using ubuntu, but like the idea of using a totally free debian system. =) |
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| 21:16.46 | mcl0vin | Gokee2: so i created a new user and that is working right out of the box |
| 21:17.01 | Gokee2 | mcl0vin, Ya, it should |
| 21:17.14 | mcl0vin | how can i compare between both to see what did i F***kup |
| 21:17.20 | mcl0vin | on the testuser |
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| 21:17.45 | Gokee2 | mcl0vin, You might have something bad in the old user .bashrc or .profile |
| 21:17.52 | hiku | mcl0vin: type history | grep testuser; history | grep newuser |
| 21:18.15 | hiku | mcl0vin: are you using the command line to add users or a gui? |
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| 21:18.28 | mcl0vin | cli |
| 21:18.47 | hiku | just running useradd? |
| 21:18.58 | MrFrood | hiku: Kewl. For me using Debian is as much a political statment about how I'd like the world to be as it is about using an operating system is solid and reliable. |
| 21:19.24 | Gokee2 | Hopefully running adduser.... |
| 21:19.38 | hiku | MrFrood: yea, thats about where i'm at too =), ty for sharing MrFrood |
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| 21:19.51 | hiku | Gokee2: lol yea, useradd, adduser... lol |
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| 21:20.01 | mcl0vin | hiku: command line |
| 21:20.09 | BrixSat | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:20.21 | Gokee2 | hiku, I could never remember so I made a web page about it to remind myself :) |
| 21:20.46 | hiku | Gokee2: lol, both commands work (ubuntu currenly...switching soon). |
| 21:21.21 | hiku | Gokee2: tho for me, only time I really find myself creating user accounts is with nis. |
| 21:21.22 | Gokee2 | hiku, Yes but they do different things... |
| 21:21.41 | Gokee2 | nis? |
| 21:22.14 | hiku | Gokee2: NIS = network information service |
| 21:22.32 | ultron | quick and dumb question... how can i make symbolic links/? |
| 21:22.47 | Hopsa | man ln |
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| 21:23.03 | Hopsa | ln -s ... ... |
| 21:23.17 | hiku | ln -s /path/to/src/file /path/to/dst/file |
| 21:24.22 | Hopsa | Isnt it the other way around ? |
| 21:24.25 | Gokee2 | hiku, Ah.... Looks like a red hat thing :) |
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| 21:24.51 | Hopsa | If you get it wrong you will overwrite the file |
| 21:24.56 | hiku | Gokee2: NIS? naw, it's been around for ages... |
| 21:25.31 | hiku | Gokee2: LDAP is it's bigger replacement (kinda( |
| 21:26.03 | Gokee2 | hiku, Ya, I through about setting up LDAP awhile back |
| 21:26.09 | Gokee2 | thought* |
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| 21:26.34 | ADjames | heh |
| 21:26.35 | Hopsa | ln -s LINKNAME DIRECTORY (3rd form) (Bad manpage for it i think) |
| 21:26.37 | ADjames | debian is empty.. |
| 21:26.43 | hiku | Gokee2: it's nice. I used the fedora ldap package. very nice java management gui and all =) |
| 21:26.56 | ADjames | aaa when i do apt-get install php5-cli i get this erro "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 21:26.56 | ADjames | " |
| 21:26.58 | ADjames | any thoughts? |
| 21:27.38 | Gokee2 | hiku, Hmm, more into CLI interface stuff myself but its nice to have a good GUI around |
| 21:28.03 | hiku | Gokee2: ldap is so big and confusing to me, a gui is very helpful =). |
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| 21:28.25 | hiku | Gokee2: but yea, other than that, everything else I do is in a cli. |
| 21:28.39 | Gokee2 | hiku, Ya, perhaps I would be lazy and just use it :) Although GUI stuff over SSH through the internet is kinda slow |
| 21:29.22 | hiku | Gokee2: oh for sure. I can't even start to think about how slow a java app would be over a ssh tunnel. |
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| 21:55.26 | arosen | Hello, I'm running 2.6.32-bpo.2-vserver-amd64 anyone have any idea where I can get the kernel headers for that? |
| 21:55.30 | arosen | They don't seem to be in the repo? |
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| 21:59.37 | Pinchiukas | How do I find out what driver a device is using? A WiFi USB adapter in this case. |
| 22:00.12 | matt8686 | There is a "hostname" question during Debian expert install. What is this hostname used for? As much as I understand, this hostname is not related to DNS. And once I specify this hostname, it's associated with 127.0.1.1 in /etc/hosts. However, what is this hostname(127.0.1.1) used for? |
| 22:01.19 | sxp | Hi, I installed Lenny from the CD I burned |
| 22:01.25 | hiku | Pinchiukas: try lsmod |
| 22:01.37 | sxp | I also have the Debian-505-i386-DVD-1 DVD |
| 22:02.06 | arosen | Why is there not linux-headers package for the 2.6.32-bpo.2-vserver-amd64 kernel |
| 22:02.07 | sxp | my problem is: what is the line I must put in sources.list |
| 22:02.13 | hiku | matt8686: the hostname is an easy way of finding your computer on a network. it can take and post your hostname to say a dns server via dhcp. |
| 22:02.14 | arosen | http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/kernel/ |
| 22:02.38 | sxp | to use the DVD when I use apt-get |
| 22:02.43 | sxp | sorry for my English |
| 22:03.24 | BrixSat | anyone with pptpd serveR? |
| 22:04.27 | sxp | I want to change the origin of the software... |
| 22:04.28 | Pinchiukas | hiku: and? |
| 22:04.46 | moldovean | !sources |
| 22:04.46 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 22:05.05 | moldovean | sxp, ^^ |
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| 22:06.30 | sxp | but I can't use Internet, I must install the packages from the DVD |
| 22:06.44 | sxp | I can't use that kind of sources |
| 22:07.05 | moldovean | ah , ok , run > apt-cdrom add |
| 22:07.37 | sxp | Ok I will try |
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| 22:09.08 | matt8686 | hiku: ok..but how can it be found by other computers if it's associated with loopback(127.0.1.1) address? |
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| 22:09.30 | sxp | I installed from debian-505-i386-CD-1.iso I need to turn on the wireless lan |
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| 22:10.24 | sxp | that is the reason why I need to change the software sources |
| 22:10.39 | sxp | I think this CD doesn't have the packet wireless-tools |
| 22:10.58 | sxp | but the DVD number 1, yes. Maybe right? |
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| 22:14.28 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
| 22:14.31 | ShapeShifter499 | I know amarok is for music, but is there a video library plugin/addon for amarok? |
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| 22:19.09 | chaz | anyone using debian for a webserver with wordpress? Is it recommended to update to the latest wordpress or stick with the one in the debian repositories? |
| 22:21.04 | hiku | matt8686: uncomment /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf #send host-name "yourhostname"; then killall dhclient; dhclient ethX. X being your network interface like eth0 |
| 22:21.24 | hiku | matt8686: where yourhostname, replace it with your hostname. |
| 22:22.00 | matt8686 | hiku: ok. And then what happens? |
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| 22:22.42 | hiku | matt8686: then, dhclient will tell the dhcp server to pass your hostname to your dns server with ip and hostname. |
| 22:23.11 | hiku | matt8686: then from another computer on your network you should be able to do, nslookup "your hostname" and get an IP address back. |
| 22:23.23 | hiku | matt8686: without " " |
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| 22:24.39 | Melior | Program received signal SIGBUS, Bus error. [Switching to Thread 0xb6ec96f0 (LWP 6883)]. 0xffffe430 in __kernel_vsyscall () |
| 22:24.45 | Melior | What does that error mean? |
| 22:24.54 | ghostknife | metalfoo: I was actually busy setting up a tunnel interface, but I have many servers to tunnel too. so instead of setting up tun0..13, each for a specific server, and having to remember these assignments, and each time having to create a new one iwth a new server, i was hoping to do something like: ifup tun0 hostname-of-server |
| 22:25.12 | ghostknife | and then have this passwed through to the interfaces script, and replace in where appropriate |
| 22:25.30 | ghostknife | but instead, if create a pre-up script, which prompts me which server to connect to, and i select an option from a list |
| 22:25.33 | Melior | does it mean the hdd is broken? |
| 22:26.07 | ghostknife | not so cool for configuring a tunnel at boot time, but sufficient for configuring tunnels to be brought up manually. for those to be configured at boot time I'll just create a dedicated tunnel interface |
| 22:26.08 | moldovean | Melior, what google say ? |
| 22:26.22 | metalfoo | ghostknife: Well, nothing hinders you not to use ifup, but to write your own init script. |
| 22:26.34 | Melior | moldovean: Not much. nothing particular actually |
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| 22:26.56 | ghostknife | metalfoo: true. I had a look at ifup, but it's an ELF binary. so I couldn't see what it actually does |
| 22:27.16 | ghostknife | metalfoo: and I felt it was quicker to just do it my way that ot go look for it's source code or workings on line |
| 22:27.20 | metalfoo | ghostknife: "ifconfig tunX 1.3.3.7 netmask 1.3.3.0 up" |
| 22:27.55 | ghostknife | metalfoo: ok. but that removes configuration ability via /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:28.40 | ghostknife | metalfoo: I would prefer the config to be in there, so anyone can easily figure out how to configure it |
| 22:28.44 | ghostknife | metalfoo: currently it works well |
| 22:29.01 | ghostknife | metalfoo: someone can just edit /etc/network/interfaces and immediately be able to start figuring out how it works |
| 22:29.02 | metalfoo | If you feel the necessity for that, you can use your own ifup-replacement which parses your hacked interfaces file. |
| 22:29.05 | ghostknife | metalfoo: sufficient |
| 22:29.21 | moldovean | Melior, seems a bus error ignore it and see how things go further |
| 22:29.31 | ghostknife | metalfoo: thanks anyway |
| 22:29.46 | ghostknife | metalfoo: i only have a pre-up and post-up script now to bring up the SSH connection |
| 22:29.51 | metalfoo | Otherwise, put an info there "Don't look here, look on /etc/default/mycustomnetwork" where you configure your own needs. |
| 22:30.09 | Melior | moldovean: Happened several times now. |
| 22:30.28 | Melior | moldovean: programs seems to be unstable |
| 22:31.00 | moldovean | backups your data .. |
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| 22:32.09 | matt8686 | hiku: thanks! But if I have to type in "hostname", then what is the point of specifying during installation? And this "hostname" in dhclient.conf file and this hostname I type in during installation may probably be different? I mean it's hard to see the idea of this 127.0.1.1 hostname.. |
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| 22:34.03 | moldovean | !networking |
| 22:34.03 | dpkg | For basic networking, "man interfaces", see http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration and http://www.debian-administration.org/article/An_introduction_to_Debian_networking_setup . Also ask me about <interfaces>. |
| 22:35.39 | moldovean | matt8686, RTFM |
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| 22:40.09 | Dagger2 | matt8686: from bug #316099, it sounds like it's only added to /etc/hosts to allow for programs that expect to be able to resolve the unix hostname in dns |
| 22:40.38 | Dagger2 | I suppose it does allow you to do e.g. "ping hostname" and get something sensible back, if only on that one computer... |
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| 22:43.25 | ultron | hi how can i change the JAVA_HOME and JRE_HOME |
| 22:43.50 | ultron | im doing this .... export JAVA_HOME=/opt/java-xxx |
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| 22:44.14 | ultron | but when i reboot it return to /usr every time |
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| 23:00.32 | matt8686 | Dagger2: thaks! |
| 23:01.29 | matt8686 | The next question is "Somain name". I know that I can write there basically anything I would like, but what is this "domain name" used for? This seems to have nothing to do with real DNS.. |
| 23:02.04 | project2501a | debhelper (>= 7.0.50~) <-- what does the ~ mean? |
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| 23:04.29 | mtx | hello |
| 23:04.32 | nkuttler | hm? domain names have nothing to do with dns? |
| 23:04.48 | mtx | http://pastebin.com/rjFDMxnp |
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| 23:04.59 | project2501a | whut? dns names have nothing to with dns? |
| 23:05.00 | mtx | how to fix that? |
| 23:05.18 | nkuttler | mtx: do what the error message suggests |
| 23:05.46 | wrench- | 2.6.26-18 comes with lenny... but when i check kernel.org i don't see a 2.6.26-18 tarball |
| 23:05.49 | mtx | nkuttler: i tried "apt-get -f install" |
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| 23:07.24 | nkuttler | mtx: hrm, are you mixing releases or something? |
| 23:08.25 | mtx | nkuttler: it is Lenny 5.0.5. |
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| 23:08.52 | jordanm | project2501a: see policy section 5.6.12 |
| 23:09.07 | Dagger2 | that *might* be stuck in /etc/resolv.conf as the default search domain for dns lookups, but the dhcp client overwrites that with details from dhcp if provided, so perhaps not |
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| 23:09.37 | jordanm | project2501a: in this case, it basically means its a native package |
| 23:10.12 | project2501a | jordanm: ta mate |
| 23:10.28 | Dagger2 | it's returned by hostname -d/-f... I don't really know what the semantics around the unix host/domain names are though, so I should probably just stop guessing |
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| 23:14.28 | project2501a | what happens when dpkg-depcheck misses required software? |
| 23:14.36 | project2501a | i mean, yeah, insert them by hand |
| 23:14.41 | project2501a | but it's kinda disturbing |
| 23:14.54 | wrench- | guys, any idea where i could find a 2.6.26-18 kernel source tarball? |
| 23:15.03 | project2501a | wrench-: kernel.org ? |
| 23:15.11 | wrench- | it's not there |
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| 23:15.38 | wrench- | 2.6.26.8 is the latest 2.6.26 i see there |
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| 23:16.41 | matt8686 | Why there is a "bootable flag" option under swap area configuration? I mean isn't it impossible to boot from swap area? |
| 23:20.33 | mhanor | hello! please, can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong? I'm trying to activate the framebuffer at boot with the kernel param video=, I have tried video=pm2fb:mode=1024x768, then video=pm2fb:mode:1024x768, then replaced mode with mode_option, then tried video=pm2fb:1024x768... it doesn't even try to load it (dmesg doesn't mention it), but modprobe pm2fb mode_option=1024x768 works just fine |
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| 23:21.42 | thepro4ever | i'm trying to remove the mysql-common package and when i run "aptitude remove" it recommends I remove a shit ton of packages i don't recognize, what if i don't want to remove all this other stuff? |
| 23:23.30 | Gm4n | so I'm having an odd issue with my php code, and I'm not sure if I should be asking here, or somewhere for apache or for php. |
| 23:23.50 | Gm4n | one symptom is that I have some php-cgi processes that have been running for nearly a month |
| 23:24.07 | Gm4n | (cpu time of 0, of course) |
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| 23:25.26 | nooper | Gm4n: whats the process state? running, sleeping, zombie? |
| 23:25.35 | Gm4n | the states are all S |
| 23:25.40 | mhanor | thepro4ever: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/apt-get-remove-and-dependencies-183772/ |
| 23:25.59 | Gm4n | and they don't respond to a kill with no flags (SIGKILL, iirc) |
| 23:26.27 | Gm4n | kill -9 (SIGTERM?) got rid of them, though |
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| 23:27.45 | plus | http://www.bobblebrook.com/games/rare-breeds-petunia/ |
| 23:27.46 | plus | err |
| 23:27.50 | plus | wrong channel, disregard. |
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| 23:29.37 | Gm4n | the other issue is super bizzare... I've made a file serving script using readfile (since libapache2-mod-xsendfile isn't on lenny). If I request a file before the prior one is done loading, everything breaks (for that user) and needs the session id cookie deleted. |
| 23:31.32 | Gm4n | (I'm using apache2 with suphp on lenny) |
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| 23:37.50 | wald0 | what's teh name for the next version of debian ? (after squeeze) |
| 23:38.47 | moldovean | squeeze +1 |
| 23:39.08 | wald0 | next codename |
| 23:39.12 | moldovean | if any |
| 23:39.23 | wald0 | it is not decided yet ? |
| 23:39.32 | nooper | not been given a name yet |
| 23:39.38 | wald0 | ok |
| 23:39.46 | mhanor | what's sid then? |
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| 23:40.56 | nooper | oh that might be it |
| 23:41.06 | moldovean | nah |
| 23:41.20 | wald0 | mhanor: sid is always named sid |
| 23:41.43 | nooper | is always named nooper too! |
| 23:41.53 | mhanor | unstable is always named sid? |
| 23:42.06 | wald0 | yes |
| 23:42.10 | mhanor | weird |
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| 23:42.20 | peterrooney | mhanor: correct. after the vicious little boy who wants to break things in "Toy Story" |
| 23:42.26 | wald0 | no weird... unstable is always unstable, there's no unstable releases |
| 23:42.45 | llua | ubuntu |
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| 23:43.59 | mhanor | it's like an embryo without a soul :) |
| 23:44.01 | peterrooney | ubuntu: because untested is good enough |
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| 23:44.30 | mhanor | a test subject in a lab |
| 23:45.14 | mhanor | anyway, doesn't anybody know anything about bringing up the framebuffer at boot? :) |
| 23:47.24 | moldovean | !framebuffer |
| 23:47.24 | dpkg | Framebuffer is a region of memory into which "frames" of graphical data are drawn. X is a framebuffer system, as is berlin. If you're looking for the framebuffer console, ask me about <fbcon>, or ask about <blacklist> to negate it. To disable framebuffer use at Debian installation time, supply the "fb=false" (d-i) or "video=vga16:off" (kernel) boot options. |
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| 23:52.17 | piper69 | when i do 'who' it should show me who is logged in my system. but it doesn't show me sftp connections , why is that? |
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| 23:56.53 | ceduardo | hello everybody from Colomba... |
| 23:56.57 | peterrooney | piper69: wingnut theory: key authentication, and if what they're doing doesn't involve a login shell, who probably passes it by |
| 23:56.58 | wald0 | piper69: try netstat |
| 23:57.15 | peterrooney | s/who/'who'/ |
| 23:57.41 | streuner | ceduardo: i didnt see many people from there, why? |
