| 00:00.59 | ceduardo | streuner: the people that use linux are few, but we are getting force. |
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| 00:03.34 | Karen_m | can you safely resize partitions on ext3? I want to migrate /home to ext4 |
| 00:03.58 | streuner | safe? just backup :-P |
| 00:04.07 | moldovean | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:04.37 | Karen_m | i'm remote, I cannot redo the whole drive |
| 00:04.50 | moldovean | Karen_m, stay on ext3 is better |
| 00:04.54 | streuner | well, you have a problem then |
| 00:05.19 | streuner | if you doing remote, you just need to make a backup |
| 00:05.33 | Karen_m | i have rsnapshots daily :) |
| 00:05.45 | ceduardo | Karen_m: you can see this information, http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-ext4/ and this other one http://kernelnewbies.org/Ext4 |
| 00:06.27 | Karen_m | ok, next question. My box on softlayer can send packets out to my gigenet server at 11MB/sec. Gigenet will only send to my softlayer box at 2MB/sec. The issue is, gige is not at fault, I can send at 70MB/sec with gige almost anywhere else other than softlayer |
| 00:06.50 | Karen_m | merci ceduardo |
| 00:07.43 | wald0 | Karen_m: try if you have these speeds correctly working with your drivers, for example, direct computer to computer |
| 00:07.56 | ceduardo | Karen_m: :) you're welcome |
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| 00:08.45 | Karen_m | wald0, yes I do |
| 00:08.55 | streuner | Karen_m: on a production server you shouldnt do experiements at all |
| 00:09.20 | Karen_m | streuner, this is the dev box :) |
| 00:09.34 | streuner | Karen_m: oh, just for your own fun? well... |
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| 00:09.50 | Karen_m | is there a way to see what the tcp window size is for a pid? |
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| 00:17.21 | streuner | ernst: your first name is Klaus, right? :-P |
| 00:17.32 | Wooga | hello, where can i get debian armv5 kernel image? |
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| 00:17.53 | streuner | amd64 or arm? |
| 00:17.58 | Wooga | arm |
| 00:18.14 | moldovean | !arm |
| 00:18.14 | dpkg | ARM is Advanced RISC Machine, a processor architecture. Devices supported by the Debian arm port include the Linksys <NSLU2> and Thecus <N2100>. The Debian arm port has been deprecated by <armel> and is no longer present in testing or unstable. http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ For help with Debian on ARM systems, join #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. |
| 00:18.28 | streuner | apt-cache search linux-image arm, i guess |
| 00:18.56 | streuner | but just look at the factoid... |
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| 00:19.12 | moldovean | Wooga, join #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 00:19.23 | constantin_mike | hello. on a sidux system, when i do "sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 start" i get this "/etc/default/rcS: 1: [Desktop: not found". what happened ?? and what can i do to fix it? |
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| 00:19.38 | streuner | constantin_mike: join #sidux |
| 00:19.48 | constantin_mike | streuner: the channel is empty |
| 00:19.59 | moldovean | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:20.03 | streuner | well, we arent care, just install Debian |
| 00:20.28 | moldovean | !ro |
| 00:20.28 | dpkg | Pentru ajutor in limba romana va rugam vizitati #debian-ro pe irc.oftc.net. Romanian users: for help in romanian, please visit #debian-ro on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 00:20.46 | moldovean | costica ^^ |
| 00:21.04 | ceduardo | Karen_m: mmmm I this a great question. |
| 00:21.12 | constantin_mike | anyway, i'm sure it's not something sidux-specific |
| 00:21.33 | constantin_mike | some guys from #ubuntu-server tried to help earlier, but they-re not there right now |
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| 00:21.44 | moldovean | constantin_mike, las-o balta . si treci pe debain |
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| 00:21.56 | moldovean | debian* |
| 00:22.11 | streuner | constantin_mike: we support Debian, nothing else |
| 00:22.17 | constantin_mike | streuner: ok |
| 00:23.26 | moldovean | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:23.36 | streuner | lol |
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| 00:26.50 | ZenWalker | hi |
| 00:26.59 | ZenWalker | anybody help me with denemo ? |
| 00:27.25 | streuner | dpkg, listkeys denemo |
| 00:27.26 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'denemo' by key returned no results. |
| 00:27.37 | streuner | what the heck is denemo? |
| 00:28.11 | streuner | dpkg, listvals denemo |
| 00:28.12 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'denemo' by value returned no results. |
| 00:28.46 | streuner | hm, even dpkg db has no entry about, its a bad sign |
| 00:29.04 | ZenWalker | use apt-cache show denemo |
| 00:30.06 | streuner | i got denemo-doc :-P |
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| 00:31.02 | ZenWalker | I can't transpose selection down |
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| 00:39.19 | streuner | dpkg, .gt is Guatemala is a country in Central America bordered by Mexico to the north and west, the Pacific Ocean to the southwest, Belize to the northeast, the Caribbean to the east, and Honduras and El Salvador to the southeast. |
| 00:39.20 | dpkg | streuner: okay |
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| 00:39.50 | Buttom_Left | :o |
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| 00:45.39 | AppleCable | hey guys |
| 00:45.45 | AppleCable | who in here has built their own computer? |
| 00:46.29 | peterrooney | !anyone |
| 00:46.29 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 00:46.53 | AppleCable | peterrooney, -____- thats not helping |
| 00:48.24 | epsilon | AppleCable: imagine what, almost everyone here ever built on own pc |
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| 00:48.53 | AppleCable | ? |
| 00:48.55 | moldovean | !hardware |
| 00:48.55 | dpkg | Before buying any hardware, make sure it is supported by all operating systems you want to use; ask me about <hcl>. To acquire details about your current hardware, ask me about <whats my hardware>. Please ask all non-Debian-specific hardware questions in ##hardware on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 00:49.15 | epsilon | AppleCable: ask your question or STFU. |
| 00:49.19 | AppleCable | i dont want to ask for debian compatable hardware - i want to ask about hardware in general |
| 00:49.31 | AppleCable | epsilon, F.U |
| 00:49.43 | AppleCable | is there a hardware channel? |
| 00:49.52 | moldovean | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:49.56 | AppleCable | ty |
| 00:50.10 | epsilon | cu |
| 00:50.26 | AppleCable | cu? |
| 00:50.33 | moldovean | !cu |
| 00:50.33 | dpkg | somebody said cu was short for "see you", or does not r0x0rz, or "call unix", the uucp modem-dialing program. Cuba A ductile malleable reddish-brown corrosion-resistant iamagnetic metallic element; occurs in various minerals ut is the only metal that occurs abundantly in large masses. Atomic number 29. portuguese for "asshole" |
| 00:51.12 | AppleCable | stopped reading that after the 10th word or so |
| 00:52.18 | epsilon | so be welcomed on my ignore list |
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| 00:54.42 | plugd | you guys are totally the meanest! |
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| 00:55.19 | peterrooney | you should see us when ubuntu users join on sunday. |
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| 01:00.10 | AppleCable | does debian support nvidia or ati better? |
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| 01:02.19 | moldovean | what's "ati better" , never heard off it |
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| 01:03.53 | AppleCable | *sigh* |
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| 01:04.04 | AppleCable | i can see this conversation isnt going to go very far |
| 01:04.12 | AppleCable | ill come back when there are some more mature people in here |
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| 01:04.34 | mrangry | does libsplashy often cause problems when bringing a laptop out of standby? |
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| 01:06.58 | mrangry | it's caused the system to shut down after bringing it out of standby, complaining about being unable to open a config file or something |
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| 01:13.05 | joobie | guys im tring to setup a dir so that if i create a directory within it (using mkdir), it inherits the uid of the parent directory.. i've tried setting the g+s bit on the parent dir, which makes the directory inherit the group, but it doesnt inherit the uid.. how can this be done? i tried also u+s which didnt work....... |
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| 01:16.41 | melik | when i'm building a .deb package, and there are multiple dependancies |
| 01:16.53 | melik | how do i list them? with commas? |
| 01:17.07 | melik | oh i'm talking about the DEBIAN/control file |
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| 01:22.09 | BrendenB | Hi, Is there any packaged binary files for emerald on debian? |
| 01:22.27 | Tramp | joobie: you can't |
| 01:22.53 | mrangry | anyone else got issues with libsplashy? |
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| 01:29.32 | megan | Hi #debian |
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| 01:31.26 | megan | anybodu home? I have a debian question |
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| 01:31.39 | KB1JWQ | megan: Then try asking it. |
| 01:31.42 | adv_ | i have 2 webcams connected on my laptop, how can i disable the 1st one so that i can use the 2nd one? |
| 01:31.53 | megan | okay kb1jwq :) I don't want to be rude though |
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| 01:32.12 | megan | I have a script being executed by svn hooks. I want it to restart a service |
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| 01:32.44 | megan | what to do? |
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| 01:33.31 | megan | do I need to install sudo? |
| 01:33.36 | KB1JWQ | megan: http://www.weask.us/entry/force-apache-restart-post-commit-svn-hook |
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| 01:37.20 | megan | thanks kb1jwq, that's not quite it though. I think I need to use sudo??? Debian doesn't have that though. Is there a way to make it remember a user and not prompt for password |
| 01:37.41 | KB1JWQ | megan: Say what? Debian most definitely has sudo if you install it. |
| 01:37.50 | megan | well ya :P |
| 01:38.01 | KB1JWQ | Do realize that granting sudo access for apache to ALL is idiotic. :-) |
| 01:38.04 | megan | not by default I mean |
| 01:38.11 | KB1JWQ | megan: Whose default? |
| 01:38.15 | megan | it's not apache it's nodejs |
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| 01:38.19 | megan | the one I gots |
| 01:38.23 | gartenstuhl | hi |
| 01:38.26 | KB1JWQ | It's certainly default on my kickstart installations. :-) |
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| 01:38.39 | megan | I have no x-server |
| 01:38.48 | KB1JWQ | megan: Okay, neither do I. |
| 01:38.51 | megan | :P |
| 01:38.53 | KB1JWQ | gartenstuhl: Hello. |
| 01:38.56 | megan | okay then! ;D |
| 01:39.12 | megan | but nooo I just want the svn user to be able to sudo for free |
| 01:39.24 | KB1JWQ | megan: Install sudo, visudo to taste. |
| 01:39.31 | gartenstuhl | I need to install sqlite-3.7.2 via apt-get cause rails needs a newer version. couldn't find a helping hint on google so you probably know how to do it? |
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| 01:39.51 | KB1JWQ | Personally I'd likely uncomment the sudoers group line and add the SVN user to sudoers group. |
| 01:39.54 | gartenstuhl | tried to compile the code manually but it just does not work |
| 01:39.58 | KB1JWQ | !backports |
| 01:39.58 | dpkg | well, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/ . Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 01:40.10 | KB1JWQ | gartenstuhl: ^^ |
| 01:41.15 | gartenstuhl | KB1JWQ: ok, it might is a lame question but I am really freakin out about this ;) |
| 01:41.39 | KB1JWQ | gartenstuhl: Okay. And I just directed you to backports. |
| 01:42.04 | gartenstuhl | ah thx |
| 01:42.28 | KB1JWQ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:42.52 | KB1JWQ | 3.5.9 is in the main repo. |
| 01:43.05 | KB1JWQ | gartenstuhl: It's really complaining about 3.5.9? |
| 01:43.22 | megan | bleh, what is this emacs editor :O |
| 01:43.30 | macondo_ | hi, i forgot the name of the time format name, something like STRAFT time. Can somebody remind me? |
| 01:43.40 | KB1JWQ | megan: A pile of crap. |
| 01:44.00 | megan | ya, high five for vim? |
| 01:44.01 | KB1JWQ | megan: update-alternatives --config editor |
| 01:44.15 | megan | I only have it for the visudo thing |
| 01:44.19 | KB1JWQ | macondo_: "Time format name?" |
| 01:44.23 | KB1JWQ | You mean the timezone files, or...? |
| 01:44.36 | KB1JWQ | megan: That's pulling from the defaults that update-alternatives sets. |
| 01:44.42 | megan | kb1jwq, it looks like I can make a supersudo group that requires no password |
| 01:44.54 | KB1JWQ | megan: What a concept. :-) |
| 01:44.58 | megan | ya! |
| 01:45.20 | megan | but there's nothing in this file about which group gets to be sudo |
| 01:45.26 | macondo_ | yeah, something like strft time example: TimeFormat="%a %d %b %R" |
| 01:45.49 | KB1JWQ | macondo_: Real world terms, what are you trying to do? :-) |
| 01:46.08 | KB1JWQ | megan: %sudo ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL |
| 01:46.20 | KB1JWQ | megan: That lets anything in the "sudo" group do what you want. |
| 01:46.22 | megan | ya I got that far |
| 01:46.33 | megan | %supersudo ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL |
| 01:46.36 | megan | I want that |
| 01:46.47 | macondo_ | KB1JWQ, I'm trying to change the time format appearing on my icewm toolbar |
| 01:46.49 | KB1JWQ | So do it? |
| 01:46.58 | KB1JWQ | macondo_: Not sure offhand. |
| 01:47.03 | megan | I'll give it a shot :P |
| 01:47.24 | gartenstuhl | KB1JWQ: thank you very much! |
| 01:47.35 | allan8904 | Hi, you know all the boot up messages that get displayed on the screen that wizz by really fast? do they get appended to a log file somewhere on the system so i can go back and have a look? |
| 01:47.43 | macondo_ | i'm trying to google to find the different ways i can do it but i can remember the name of the time format |
| 01:48.16 | KB1JWQ | gartenstuhl: yeah, I suspect you were looking at "sqlite" instead of "sqlite3" |
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| 01:48.36 | KB1JWQ | allan8904: dmesg |
| 01:48.55 | allan8904 | KB1JWQ: thankyou :) |
| 01:49.19 | KB1JWQ | Of course. |
| 01:50.02 | KB1JWQ | macondo_: http://www.icewm.org/FAQ/IceWM-FAQ-8.html#ss8.3 |
| 01:50.25 | KB1JWQ | That do it for you? |
| 01:50.59 | macondo_ | KB1JWQ, "strftime |
| 01:50.59 | macondo_ | " |
| 01:51.07 | macondo_ | THANKS! |
| 01:51.14 | KB1JWQ | No worries. :-) |
| 01:51.21 | thepro4ever | how do i turn on syntax highlighting in my terminal? |
| 01:51.22 | KB1JWQ | Anyone else have a problem? I'm batting a thousand today. :- |
| 01:51.31 | KB1JWQ | thepro4ever: In your terminal? I've never seen that. |
| 01:51.36 | KB1JWQ | I do it in vim, but... :-) |
| 01:52.24 | thepro4ever | KB1JWQ, like i want my command prompt to be one color, what i type at the prompt to be a different color, folder names to have a unique color, files and hidden files to have unique colors |
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| 01:52.49 | KB1JWQ | thepro4ever: That'd be a fairly detailed .bashrc |
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| 01:53.08 | [-TuMBa-] | hi here |
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| 01:53.18 | KB1JWQ | thepro4ever: http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=bashrc+syntax+hilighting Time to read. :-) |
| 01:53.28 | KB1JWQ | [-TuMBa-]: Hello, user-with-an-obnoxious-nick-to-type. |
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| 01:55.32 | [-TuMBa-] | i'm in debian stable ... i have no problems for ask :D |
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| 02:02.51 | allan8904 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:03.50 | devicenull | is squeeze currently broken? |
| 02:03.57 | devicenull | I'm getting some issues updating on a fresh install |
| 02:04.12 | devicenull | specfically, they seem to be related to xorg |
| 02:04.31 | krisfremen | devicenull: it's been broken for a while now |
| 02:04.51 | dvs | allan8904: it takes output from the error stream |
| 02:05.01 | devicenull | ah |
| 02:05.07 | devicenull | I dont suppose there's any workaround? |
| 02:05.22 | allan8904 | dvs: so its taking output from the error stream of dev/null? |
| 02:05.26 | dvs | devicenull: what do you mean "workaround" |
| 02:05.34 | dvs | oops |
| 02:05.35 | dvs | sorry |
| 02:05.58 | dvs | allan8904: it takes the output from the error stream and pipes it to /dev/null |
| 02:06.06 | devicenull | well I'd like to get xorg working on it, but if that's not feasible I suppose I can reformat and go back to lenny |
| 02:06.29 | krisfremen | devicenull: which is what i did |
| 02:07.09 | allan8904 | dvs: Ah ok. So correct me if I'm wrong. From what I understand this line deletes all files (but not directories) from /tmp/netpost and if any errors are present on stderr it pipes it to dev/null? |
| 02:07.40 | dvs | allan8904: by jove. I think you got it. |
| 02:08.01 | allan8904 | dvs: haha, thanks for your help :) |
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| 02:08.33 | KB1JWQ | !squeeze |
| 02:08.34 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the next release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0. It is the three-eyed space alien. Ask me about <wwsr> for recent updates and see also <testing> <squeeze udev> <squeeze kernel> <lenny->squeeze> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze . The Debian release is not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. |
| 02:08.44 | dvs | allan8904: np |
| 02:09.01 | KB1JWQ | allan8904: 2 is standard error... and someone got that to you already. |
| 02:09.07 | KB1JWQ | allan8904: Correct. |
| 02:10.00 | allan8904 | KB1JWQ: Thanks, I'd never seen that sort of piping before so i was a little confused |
| 02:10.24 | peterrooney | allan8904: you could also try /join #bash |
| 02:11.02 | peterrooney | they have deep magic on tap in #bash |
| 02:12.48 | KB1JWQ | Quite. |
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| 02:14.28 | allan8904 | peterrooney |
| 02:14.47 | allan8904 | *peterrooney: yeah i tried /bash but no one responded for quite a while so i decided to try here |
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| 02:18.56 | devicenull | bleh |
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| 02:19.17 | devicenull | was going to use squeeze on my htpc, guess that's not feasible atm |
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| 02:20.07 | nutron | I'm aware of rdesktop, though I haven't used it yet. I'm trying to plan a server installation that will allow our debian users to access a single application on a windows server, does anyone know if this is possible? or do I have to serve the whole desktop via rdesktop? |
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| 02:20.22 | nutron | terminal services in windows... I wish I knew what they were. |
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| 02:24.46 | leonord | Squeeze user here. 'ifconfig -a' throws up a 'pan0' device. it has a ethernet hw address. what is device about? |
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| 02:25.11 | Stercus | do you have a pot0? |
| 02:25.34 | leonord | no |
| 02:26.22 | leonord | hang on, what kind of hw device would pot0 refers to? |
| 02:26.25 | Buttom_Left | debian-operator is a fool who has no reading comprehension |
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| 02:26.53 | Buttom_Left | operator "debian-es" is a fool who has no reading comprehension |
| 02:27.09 | Stercus | pan is bluetooth |
| 02:27.30 | leonord | ah, definitely not then. |
| 02:27.43 | Stercus | pot is a joke, aka pot and pan... :) |
| 02:28.28 | leonord | :D, funny indeed. |
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| 02:30.29 | Stercus | leonord: http://www.google.com/search?q=pan0+interface> |
| 02:30.44 | Stercus | drop the > |
| 02:30.51 | leonord | good idea, thks. |
| 02:31.00 | Stercus | bunch of stuff |
| 02:31.22 | Stercus | but you must have a bluetooth device on that machine |
| 02:32.08 | yardleydobon | I have a pot0 |
| 02:32.22 | Stercus | :) |
| 02:32.36 | yardleydobon | It's my plain old telephone networking device. |
| 02:33.01 | Stercus | serial modem? |
| 02:33.15 | yardleydobon | sure why not. |
| 02:34.01 | leonord | 'pan0' is for bluetooth and is activated even when i don't have a bluetooth device. no big deal. can ignore it. |
| 02:34.30 | Stercus | did dmesg show a bluetooth device? |
| 02:34.31 | yardleydobon | sure you don't have internal bluetooth? |
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| 02:35.27 | yardleydobon | Oh I have it too and I don't have any bluetooth devices. |
| 02:36.08 | Stercus | are you guys using custom kernels? |
| 02:36.13 | leonord | i am sure i don't have a bluetooth device. my system is about 5 yrs old now and i have not added any bluetooth device in. this 'pan0' only occurs after my last upgrade about 2 days ago. |
| 02:36.14 | Buttom_Left | this channel is much better than Spanish |
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| 02:36.51 | Stercus | i am upgrading now, ihope i get a pan with it |
| 02:36.57 | leonord | no, i am using kernel from the debian package. |
| 02:37.00 | Buttom_Left | there is more activity here |
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| 02:37.48 | leonord | i read that Squeeze has been frozen. but i am still getting DRM error during boot-up. you guys have this problem? |
| 02:37.50 | Stercus | maybe a bluetooth kernel module with the upgrade? |
| 02:38.16 | yardleydobon | I'm also using testing and don't have a custom kernel. |
| 02:38.54 | yardleydobon | A DRM error on Debian? What? |
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| 02:41.01 | Stercus | i did a google search for pan0 and squeeze |
| 02:41.15 | Stercus | a lot of weird networking forum posts |
| 02:41.22 | Stercus | i didnt read em all |
| 02:41.36 | Stercus | i am using lynx |
| 02:41.41 | Stercus | so i was lazy |
| 02:42.07 | leonord | there's another problem with my Squeeze. i can't shutdown from gnome. From System->Shutdown, i get the login screen. When I click the shutdown icon at the lower the lower right corner and select "Shutdown", nothing happens. |
| 02:43.11 | leonord | yardleydobon: this happens to me since my first upgrade to Squeeze. |
| 02:43.45 | [-TuMBa-] | leonord: but can you from console typing #halt? |
| 02:44.05 | yardleydobon | leonord: what do you mean by DRM error though? |
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| 02:46.43 | leonord | i will concentrate on the drm error first. i will try to retrieve the err msg from past syslog. hang on. |
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| 02:54.42 | leonord | can't find it in syslog. i will cp it down when it occurs again. |
| 02:55.55 | leonord | [-TuMBa-]: about the shutdown. from console i can shutdown with the 'shutdown -h now' command. |
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| 03:02.42 | [-TuMBa-] | having the same problem the installation of gnome-power-manager resolved |
| 03:02.43 | [-TuMBa-] | it. Probably, gnome-session should suggest or recommend |
| 03:02.43 | [-TuMBa-] | gnome-power-manger? |
| 03:04.03 | leonord | will try it. thks. |
| 03:05.24 | [-TuMBa-] | ( i pasted the text from i web) |
| 03:05.27 | [-TuMBa-] | from a web |
| 03:06.02 | leonord | gnome-power-manager has already been installed and is the newest version, in my system. |
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| 03:06.21 | staniel | hello |
| 03:06.34 | [-TuMBa-] | and working? |
| 03:06.39 | staniel | is there a way I can find out what processes are accesssing a particular resource |
| 03:07.12 | leonord | cannot power from gnome. means not working. remove and re-install? |
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| 03:12.09 | leonord | got to power down.bye. |
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| 03:21.57 | juancarlos | Hello. How would you go about creating an ISO out of a Debian installation? |
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| 03:26.23 | stew | juancarlos: with the bootcd package |
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| 03:28.18 | juancarlos | stew: thanks! |
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| 03:41.37 | thepro4ever | what does the z option do in "tar -xzf" ?? |
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| 03:43.05 | TACPILOT | hello |
| 03:43.13 | KB1JWQ | TACPILOT: O HAI |
| 03:43.17 | KB1JWQ | thepro4ever: man tar |
| 03:43.21 | stew | thepro4ever: gzip decompression |
| 03:43.24 | TACPILOT | i am new to debian |
| 03:43.46 | KB1JWQ | TACPILOT: Welcome. :-) |
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| 03:43.52 | KB1JWQ | thepro4ever: What's fun is that it's not required anymore; tar's smart enough to figure it out automatically. |
| 03:44.02 | TACPILOT | I have done a harddrive install of damn small linux and am trying to update it with apt=get |
| 03:44.10 | TACPILOT | TY :) |
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| 03:44.17 | KB1JWQ | TACPILOT: Fantastic, but DSL != Debian |
| 03:44.32 | stew | TACPILOT: try #damnsmalllinux |
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| 03:44.55 | TACPILOT | DSL doc's say that after HDD install it is more debian than knopix |
| 03:45.12 | stew | TACPILOT: its less debian than debian, we don't support it here, sorry |
| 03:45.29 | TACPILOT | k tnx :) |
| 03:45.49 | stew | TACPILOT: if #damnsmalllinux can't help, also try ##linux |
| 03:47.02 | TACPILOT | will do TNX for the warm welcome, I look forward to trying true debian L8r :) |
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| 03:49.39 | Sherry2 | Hi - our server admin quit & I am temporarily handling this for a week or two till we hire a replacement - so please excuse the newbie nature of my questions :-( |
| 03:49.42 | thepro4ever | is there an option that will force the mv command to create the destination path if it does not exist? |
| 03:50.31 | Sherry2 | we have a debian server on which we are going to host a website. LAMP is already installed on the server. Now we have outsourced the web developement to an outside team |
| 03:50.53 | Sherry2 | what kind of access would need to give them to the server? Will they need root access? |
| 03:50.56 | KB1JWQ | Sherry2: Hah, that's how I found my last consulting engagement. :-) |
| 03:51.10 | Sherry2 | :-) |
| 03:51.12 | stew | thepro4ever: no |
| 03:51.13 | KB1JWQ | Sherry2: No. As a general rule you don't want to give root to developers. |
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| 03:51.20 | thepro4ever | stew: damn |
| 03:51.25 | KB1JWQ | That's what their test environment is for. |
| 03:51.30 | Sherry2 | so what kind of user should i create for them? |
| 03:51.49 | thepro4ever | stew: if i have a path thats 20 lvls deep, there is no command that will make each dir in the path? |
| 03:51.51 | KB1JWQ | Sherry2: "Non privileged." |
| 03:52.02 | Sherry2 | just a regular user? what should be the primary group of the user I create for them? |
| 03:52.03 | KB1JWQ | Sherry2: useradd -m YOURWEBTEAMUSER |
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| 03:52.24 | Sherry2 | Thanks KB1JWQ |
| 03:52.26 | KB1JWQ | Sherry2: Primary shouldn't necessarily matter, but you should add them to a group that has permissions to the web directory structure. |
| 03:52.37 | stew | thepro4ever: mkdir -p $(dirname somefilename) |
| 03:52.40 | KB1JWQ | Sherry2: usermod -G group1,group2,group3 is the syntax. |
| 03:53.08 | Sherry2 | KB1JWQ: will that be the /var/www directory? |
| 03:53.19 | KB1JWQ | Sherry2: That won't include their primary group, that's set with g |
| 03:53.27 | Sherry2 | the server will be running apache, php, mysql |
| 03:53.39 | KB1JWQ | Sherry2: Yeah, standard LAMP stack. |
| 03:54.11 | Sherry2 | currently, the /var/www directory has the following perms |
| 03:54.12 | Sherry2 | drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 2010-07-28 07:37 /var/www |
| 03:54.15 | stew | Sherry2: they might need a root user to do things like install php extensions, which are in debian packages like php5-mysql or php5-gd, but that's not reason enough to give them control of the entire box |
| 03:54.28 | KB1JWQ | stew: Right, but ideally in that situation they'll request that of Sherry2 |
| 03:54.33 | stew | yes |
| 03:54.37 | KB1JWQ | Sherry2: Is apache running as root? |
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| 03:55.07 | Sherry2 | KB1JWQ - how will i know what user apache is running as? |
| 03:55.09 | stew | on debian it would be started as root to bind to port 80 then drop privs to the www-data |
| 03:55.18 | KB1JWQ | Sherry2: ps aux |grep 80 |
| 03:55.28 | KB1JWQ | stew: I like to test my assumptions, pardon my lack of faith. :-p |
| 03:55.42 | KB1JWQ | I also have a habit of assuming the last person to touch the box was an idiot and broke things. |
| 03:55.44 | stew | KB1JWQ: you mean netstat or lsof? not ps? |
| 03:55.50 | Sherry2 | ps aux | grep 80 |
| 03:55.50 | KB1JWQ | ER. |
| 03:55.51 | Sherry2 | www-data 23265 0.1 0.3 68008 11500 ? S Aug22 13:06 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start |
| 03:55.51 | Sherry2 | www-data 23383 0.1 0.2 66416 10180 ? S Aug22 13:03 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start |
| 03:55.51 | KB1JWQ | Wow. |
| 03:55.55 | KB1JWQ | I'm tired. |
| 03:55.56 | KB1JWQ | :-) |
| 03:56.09 | KB1JWQ | You got it correct in any case-- good catch Sherry2 |
| 03:56.23 | stew | well, that was a lucky catch |
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| 03:56.34 | Sherry2 | should i run netsat or lsof? |
| 03:56.34 | KB1JWQ | Very. |
| 03:56.40 | stew | you got the info you needed based on the amount of ram being used |
| 03:56.40 | KB1JWQ | Nah, that told me what I needed to know. |
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| 03:58.16 | KB1JWQ | I'd probably change the group ownership of /var/www recursively to something like www-data, and then add the web user to that group. |
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| 04:02.28 | Sherry2 | thanx KB1JWQ - i have created a username for them |
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| 04:02.40 | Sherry2 | i did useradd & passwd |
| 04:02.45 | KB1JWQ | Sherry2: Yay! |
| 04:02.48 | Sherry2 | should i put them in some group? |
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| 04:02.55 | atula | greetings. if I have Core 2 Duo that supports 64bit, I should use the amd64 version, correct ? |
| 04:03.07 | KB1JWQ | atula: You'd likely be future-proofed a bit better. |
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| 04:03.29 | atula | KB1JWQ: so that's a yes ? :) |
| 04:03.37 | KB1JWQ | stew: Time to forwarc CTAPOMAK? |
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| 04:04.02 | thepro4ever | i am writing a script and i'm trying to test if the first argument is one of the standard help options, i don't know how to do an "or" in the script and i don't know if this is efficent, if "$1" = "-help" or "$1" = "-h" or "$1" = "--help" or "$1" = "--h" ; then |
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| 04:04.30 | thepro4ever | is there a more effiencient way to write that if conditional? |
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| 04:10.40 | KB1JWQ | thepro4ever: Could use a case statement. |
| 04:11.50 | DanDare | thepro4ever, you should try #bash |
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| 04:12.36 | factor | does anyone know where to find ov511 web cam source code for debian |
| 04:13.07 | KB1JWQ | factor: You mean driver source? |
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| 04:13.46 | factor | KB1JWQ, yes I dont see it in the module-assistant |
| 04:14.03 | DanDare | factor, maybe on internet: http://www.google.com.br/#hl=pt-BR&q=ov511+debian&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=4006159a3a75b55d hope it helps |
| 04:14.08 | factor | need to do an experiment with some time lapse images. |
| 04:14.19 | DanDare | ERROR o.O |
| 04:15.06 | factor | its source does not seem to be in squeeze |
| 04:16.18 | DanDare | factor, more like it will never be? I see lots of references saying stuff like "obsolete driver" etc |
| 04:16.34 | factor | yes a new one exist 51`9 or something |
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| 04:16.39 | factor | 519 |
| 04:17.01 | jmarsden | thepro4ever: If you are parsing options in bash, try using getopts instead of doing it by hand. Type help getopts (at a bash shell prompt) for info on that. |
| 04:17.07 | DanDare | "The ov511 package has been removed from Debian testing, unstable andexperimental, so I am now closing the bugs that were still opened against it." |
| 04:17.27 | factor | What package has replaced it. |
| 04:17.50 | DanDare | good question :) |
| 04:18.04 | factor | ov51x |
| 04:18.27 | factor | dvsource |
| 04:19.00 | atula | so just before I install here. one last time. Intel Core 2 Duo (LGA775) with 64bit support should use amd64 version of debian, correct? |
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| 04:19.31 | atula | not i386 or ia64 BUT amd64 |
| 04:19.45 | KB1JWQ | atula: Yes. |
| 04:19.47 | jmarsden | atula: You can use either i386 or amd64, it is your choice. |
| 04:19.50 | DanDare | factor, im not so sure but I think I remember something about ov5x and some microstar webcam |
| 04:20.00 | atula | alright. powering down. thank you |
| 04:20.14 | factor | mine is an GE ov511 easy cam |
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| 04:21.00 | DanDare | i dont know why but webcams on Debian always give me problems |
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| 04:21.56 | factor | downloaing the 51x source form the ubuntu repo |
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| 04:22.47 | KB1JWQ | DanDare: I'm not pretty enough to use webcams. :-) |
| 04:23.01 | DanDare | :D |
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| 04:24.13 | DanDare | KB1JWQ, i like to play with video... to do stuff like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4fJjBTwOEc in spare time |
| 04:24.25 | thepro4ever | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:25.34 | allan8904 | Hey, so the people from the grub channel redirected me here, I'm trying to fix a grub installation and while in the grub prompt whenever I type "find /grub/stage1" it just freezes....anyone has any idea as to why? |
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| 04:34.41 | atula | greetings. if I want to install a RAID-1 for my boot/os drive. which installer do I use? |
| 04:34.54 | atula | started the advance option > expert install |
| 04:36.09 | KB1JWQ | atula: Should be fairly intuitive? |
| 04:36.57 | atula | heh |
| 04:37.11 | atula | alright. I'm at the partition disks part |
| 04:37.57 | atula | chose manual if I want to create raid now? |
| 04:39.02 | factor | did an apt-cache search webcam found the source for the ov519 and did a apt-cache search ov and could not find it |
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| 04:46.41 | DanDare | factor, maybe on http://debian-multimedia.org/ , no sure |
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| 04:49.04 | atula | I accidentally start disk partitioning with LVM. now I want to start all over again, do I erase the LVM? |
| 04:49.19 | atula | this is not as simple as the last time I did this :. |
| 04:49.31 | atula | new installation stuff perhaps ? |
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| 04:50.22 | DanDare | atula, you can cancel installation at any point and choose <BACK> |
| 04:50.57 | atula | DanDare: yeah I did that. but when I get back into the installation it still shows the LVM |
| 04:51.12 | atula | all I want is this. make the RAID-1 first then install the OS |
| 04:52.12 | DanDare | atula, back to the first partitioning option and delete the LVM and create again |
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| 04:52.48 | DanDare | or just choose directly again "use entire disk" IIRC |
| 04:53.38 | DanDare | if nothing works... you can restart the computer to try again |
| 04:54.16 | atula | DanDare: okay I was able to delete it |
| 04:54.25 | DanDare | :) |
| 04:54.46 | atula | to do raid-1. do I set up 1 drive first then mirror or do I mirror two drive then install on the raid array ? |
| 04:55.05 | DanDare | atula, take a look tha you will need to define now the SWAP partition. It does if you choose "use entire disk" at the first time it asks |
| 04:55.24 | DanDare | *it does automaticaly |
| 04:55.35 | DanDare | l |
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| 04:56.38 | atula | alright. I'm just going to go the easy route |
| 04:56.44 | atula | entire disk. |
| 04:56.49 | atula | just / and swap now |
| 04:57.29 | KB1JWQ | You may have to treat /boot differently. |
| 04:57.40 | factor | the webcam is active but no /dev/video1 exist only my /dev/video0 which is my hauuppage is showing up |
| 04:57.45 | atula | on second thought. I'll manually create the stuff. |
| 04:57.49 | factor | how can i add /dev/video1 |
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| 04:58.24 | atula | but I guess I am just confused over whether I need to partition 1 drive first before I could mirror with the other drive or do I just mirror them at the getgo |
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| 05:00.01 | factor | how can I add a /dev/video1 |
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| 05:03.39 | atula | 512MB is enough for boot, right ? |
| 05:04.10 | atula | for a machine with 2GB RAM, how much space is needed for swap? not 4GB, is it? |
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| 05:17.22 | Obligatory | Q: why is it that half the time when a do 'apt-get update' it fails to fetch a pdiff and instead downloads the whole 6 meg file? I'd like it to use pdiffs every time... |
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| 05:18.46 | Obligatory | Is it just me or did #debian used to be busier at night? |
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| 05:20.16 | cahoot | and when is night? |
| 05:20.38 | Obligatory | For me, when It's dark out here. |
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| 05:21.46 | Obligatory | Anyway, I gather that the channel is nearly maxed out, but there's not much typing happening. |
| 05:22.14 | atula | hello. if I have a machine with 2 GB RAM, do I need like 4GB swap? |
| 05:22.21 | atula | also, do I need LVM partition ? |
| 05:23.13 | Obligatory | atula, re swap, depends how much RAM you tend to use. How much does your swap get used now? |
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| 05:24.20 | atula | just a local server for development here |
| 05:24.36 | atula | just want to create a nfs |
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| 05:25.44 | lilib | hi |
| 05:25.56 | Obligatory | atula, but does its swap get used much? Or would it with what you're planning? |
| 05:26.25 | lilib | i am looking for some download manager supports premium account of rapidshare and hotfile, does exist anything such? |
| 05:27.00 | lilib | ideal situation should be all accessable from cli |
| 05:28.09 | [-TuMBa-] | i use tucan but it can't skip that |
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| 05:28.58 | Obligatory | lilib, not that I know of. A scan of the package list descriptions gives 0 hits for the words 'rapidshare' or 'hotfile'. |
| 05:29.02 | atula | in a raid-1 setup, I partition both drives with identically. do I also turn the boot flag on for both /boot partition? |
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| 05:29.55 | cahoot | AFAIK 'bootflag' is irrelevant for grub |
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| 05:30.15 | lilib | [-TuMBa-] yes, i tried Tucan too, but seems like it does support hotfile premium |
| 05:30.39 | lilib | it does not |
| 05:31.17 | txdv | hello, i'm using unstable and there are still updates which are being kept back, can someone explain me please why only a dist-upgrade enables me to install me them? |
| 05:32.09 | [-TuMBa-] | lilib: if you find another manager, and with support for that, say please |
| 05:32.31 | CrazyFoam | i'm building a raid with mdadm and have this funny suspicion that i'm doing something wrong because it's always assigning /dev/md127 instead of something i'm used to like /dev/md0... can somebody clue me in? |
| 05:32.41 | atula | hello. in a RAID-1 set up, do I need to also raid the swap? no, right? |
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| 05:32.47 | atula | they're just ram :/ |
| 05:32.55 | atula | does that make sense? |
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| 05:33.27 | CrazyFoam | atula, i had swap in raid-1 because i didn't know what else to do with the empty 2G partition on the mirror disk |
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| 05:33.34 | CrazyFoam | ...doesn't hurt |
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| 05:34.54 | CrazyFoam | but it's probably better to have two swap parts and mount them both |
| 05:36.42 | functor | guys, I am upgrading from lenny to squeeze and I am getting some weird stuff about the new dependency-based boot |
| 05:37.04 | functor | "insserv: script postgresql-8.4: service postgresql-8.4 already provided!" and the same thing for some packaged that are "removed byt not purged" |
| 05:37.07 | functor | how do I fix this? |
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| 05:39.15 | lilib | [-TuMBa-] http://code.google.com/p/slimrat/ |
| 05:40.19 | [-TuMBa-] | but the problems without premium account are the same, no? |
| 05:41.41 | lilib | dunno, i just read description during google search |
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| 05:41.48 | lilib | brb |
| 05:42.17 | [-TuMBa-] | gxis la |
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| 05:53.08 | Obligatory | I don't get all these names joining #debian and not posting. Are they bots, loggers, or what? |
| 05:53.43 | NiLon | Obligatory autojoiners most likely |
| 05:54.14 | Obligatory | NiLon, so what's the point of an autojoiner? Seems like their clogging up the channel. |
| 05:54.28 | Obligatory | they're |
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| 05:54.50 | NiLon | if there would be none, you would not get help as channel would be empty |
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| 05:55.30 | Dominicus | Well, the whole turning on your cloak thing, just generates more bloat from the looks of what just happened with greenmang0. |
| 05:55.30 | Obligatory | NiLon, why'd would it be empty? |
| 05:56.11 | NiLon | Obligatory no one joins except the ones needing help => no help => he leaves and don't bother coming back => empty channel |
| 05:56.18 | greenmang0 | Dominicus: what? |
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| 05:56.41 | Obligatory | NiLon, I don't do that, I ask & help. Lotsa users do. |
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| 05:57.24 | NiLon | the thing is that gurus aren't asking here |
| 05:57.54 | Obligatory | Those who need help often know a fair amount, they fill in each others gaps, "the wisdom of crowds"... |
| 05:58.55 | NiLon | so, instead of this pointless argument, your suggestion is that everyone leaves if they don't need help? |
| 05:59.07 | NiLon | welcome to irc |
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| 06:00.16 | derenrich_ | how do i deal with this error from apt "Reinstallation of php5-common is not possible, it cannot be downloaded." |
| 06:00.24 | derenrich_ | i'm on the internet |
| 06:00.27 | derenrich_ | and can update |
| 06:00.43 | Obligatory | NiLon, straw man, I already described it clearly. |
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| 06:01.53 | NiLon | Obligatory rite, I will just ignore this then |
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| 06:02.35 | Obligatory | NiLon, do you concede anything? |
| 06:03.18 | NiLon | Obligatory yes, but I don't agree with you at all with this matter |
| 06:03.19 | derenrich_ | pointers on unfucking apt? |
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| 06:03.30 | lkthomas | hey guys |
| 06:03.37 | KB1JWQ | derenrich_: Pastebin the aptitude session. |
| 06:03.49 | Obligatory | NiLon, 'k. |
| 06:03.53 | KB1JWQ | aptitude, not apt-get |
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| 06:05.05 | Raptors | Can someone here help me install pulse? |
| 06:05.20 | Raptors | or link me to something |
| 06:06.33 | KB1JWQ | !pulse |
| 06:06.34 | dpkg | PulseAudio (formerly Polypaudio) is a cross-platform network sound server, intended as a drop-in replacement for <ESD>. Packaged for Debian since Etch, read /usr/share/doc/pulseaudio/README.Debian after installation for configuration recommendations. http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/FAQ http://pulseaudio.org/ #pulseaudio on irc.freenode.net. |
| 06:07.15 | lkthomas | does anyone using radius to auth debian? is it a must to create local account as well ? |
| 06:07.57 | Raptors | there is no /usr/share/doc/pulseaudio/README.Debian |
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| 06:08.21 | KB1JWQ | lkthomas: No. |
| 06:08.43 | lkthomas | funny problem appear |
| 06:08.53 | Obligatory | derenrich_, " cannot be downloaded", old verson? did you do an 'apt* update' first? |
| 06:09.02 | lkthomas | when I RADIU auth success, but I have to create local account to login ssh |
| 06:09.38 | lkthomas | KB1JWQ: any idea why ? I set pam_radius_auth.so as sufficient |
| 06:10.20 | derenrich_ | Obligatory: yes |
| 06:10.26 | derenrich_ | i'm working on fixing it myself atm |
| 06:10.27 | KB1JWQ | lkthomas: "id $radiususername" |
| 06:10.27 | derenrich_ | bbl |
| 06:10.44 | lkthomas | KB1JWQ: what is that ?! |
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| 06:12.08 | lkthomas | KB1JWQ: are you talking about client_id= ? |
| 06:12.26 | Obligatory | Raptors, I believe it's in the 'pulseaudio' package. |
| 06:12.54 | KB1JWQ | lkthomas: What does "id SOME_USER_YOU_HAVE_IN_RADIUS" return? :-) |
| 06:12.54 | Raptors | Obligatory, will the ubuntu instructions work on debain? |
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| 06:13.25 | lkthomas | KB1JWQ: I don't get it still, should I insert it into pam.d/sshd ? |
| 06:13.42 | KB1JWQ | Run it at the CLI, lkthomas |
| 06:13.48 | lkthomas | wait |
| 06:14.07 | KB1JWQ | If you have a user in radius named "steve" then "id steve" |
| 06:14.09 | KB1JWQ | It's not that hard. |
| 06:14.29 | lkthomas | LOL, no such user |
| 06:14.52 | lkthomas | if I create local user |
| 06:15.02 | lkthomas | I got uid, gid and groups = 500 |
| 06:15.06 | Obligatory | Raptors, beats me. I often get zapped by reading some helpful online doc that only applies to some peculiar or outdated configuration or platform. It's like 'dependency hell' for docs. |
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| 06:16.00 | KB1JWQ | Then /etc/nsswitch.conf is incorrect. |
| 06:16.08 | KB1JWQ | !radius |
| 06:16.09 | dpkg | radius is, like, Remote Authentication Dial-In User Service. http://web.archive.org/web/20010610045237/http://www.livingston.com/tech/technotes/500/index.html#RADIUS See also <freeradius>. |
| 06:16.44 | Raptors | is libsdl1.2debian-alsa important? |
| 06:16.57 | Raptors | when I went to install pulseaudio it said it needs to remove that |
| 06:17.09 | Obligatory | Raptors, anyway, try 'apt-get install pulseaudio' and check out that README... |
| 06:17.26 | Raptors | Obligatory, I am doing that |
| 06:17.27 | cahoot | how come you want pulse? |
| 06:17.38 | Raptors | Why wouldn't I want pulse? |
| 06:17.59 | lkthomas | KB1JWQ: interesting enough that I can't find any docs show me how to deal with nsswitch.conf with radius |
| 06:18.21 | KB1JWQ | http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/wiki/index.php/Quick_HOWTO_:_Ch31_:_Centralized_Logins_Using_LDAP_and_RADIUS |
| 06:18.21 | Obligatory | Raptors, rule of thumb: if it's just one lib: 'libsdl1.2debian-alsa' it's probably OK, if it were removing half your system I'd think twice. |
| 06:18.33 | cahoot | Raptors: possibly an unneeded complicating layer for sound |
| 06:18.35 | lkthomas | KB1JWQ: let me check, wait |
| 06:18.41 | Raptors | its just that one lib |
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| 06:19.11 | Obligatory | Raptors, so go ahead, you know what it is, in the unlikely event it's needed again. |
| 06:19.28 | KB1JWQ | Looks like there has to be something backstopping RADIUS, like LDAP. |
| 06:19.32 | Obligatory | "it"=libsdl1.2debian-alsa |
| 06:19.45 | lkthomas | KB1JWQ: grrr |
| 06:19.56 | lkthomas | KB1JWQ: that's what I want to say that I can't find option for radius |
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| 06:22.56 | ernst_ | streuner__: not to my knowledge |
| 06:24.37 | Raptors | hey guys, I installed pulse but its not seeing my hardware. |
| 06:24.44 | Raptors | It's just showing "dummy output" |
| 06:24.45 | Raptors | :\ |
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| 06:25.42 | Obligatory | Raptors, well congrats on installing. Now you're going for the config. Can you play any sound? |
| 06:25.56 | Raptors | No.. |
| 06:26.03 | Raptors | It's not seeing any of my hardware |
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| 06:26.16 | Obligatory | Raptors, could you play any sound before? |
| 06:26.27 | Raptors | I can still play sound but in ALSA |
| 06:26.37 | Dominicus | Is there a point to having cron, if I have anacron already installed? |
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| 06:26.52 | Raptors | ? |
| 06:27.00 | kirean | hi |
| 06:27.00 | kirean | If I need to install etch on a vm to be able to try to upgrade, since etch isn't available on mirrors any more |
| 06:27.00 | kirean | I cannot use the netinstall, right? |
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| 06:27.23 | kirean | I need to download the dvd's and install from there? |
| 06:27.44 | Dominicus | What are you trying to upgrade? |
| 06:27.46 | Obligatory | Raptors, sound in ALSA, that's not bad. So the problem is just getting 'pulse' going... hmm. |
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| 06:28.48 | karlpinc | kirean: You can use archive.debian.org as a repo and otherwise do everything normally. |
| 06:28.52 | cahoot | Raptors: what problem do you expect PA to solve? |
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| 06:29.47 | Raptors | I fixed it. |
| 06:29.51 | Dominicus | why would someone need to install etch, and then upgrade it? Shouldn't they just download the netinstall for the modern version that they want instead? |
| 06:29.55 | karlpinc | Dominicus: anacron depends on cron iirc. |
| 06:30.00 | Raptors | "sudo alsa force-reload" fixed the prob |
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| 06:30.00 | Obligatory | Raptors, if I recall correctly 'pulse' sits on top of 'alsa' or 'oss' or whatever. So maybe the goal is not so much to get it to see your hardware, as to see your 'alsa' device. |
| 06:30.05 | Raptors | "sudo alsa force-reload" fixed the prob |
| 06:30.10 | Raptors | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=48663 |
| 06:30.16 | Obligatory | Raptors, congrats. |
| 06:30.24 | karlpinc | Dominicus: To try it out so they don't break their real etch system they need to upgrade. |
| 06:30.45 | karlpinc | !tell kirean about aptitude clone |
| 06:30.46 | Dominicus | karlpinc: Recommends. But doesn't require it. I was just wondering why I had cron as partially configured, when I didn't go out of my way to attempt to install it. |
| 06:30.53 | PARLIAMENT | if it's not directly streaming raw audio to multiple network-aware speakers then pulse is overkill for you :) |
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| 06:43.05 | kirean | Dominicus: I have a subversion/Trac server running on debian etch which I want to upgrade to a newer version of debian |
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| 06:43.37 | kirean | Dominicus: since it's in use I need to make sure upgrade is smooth and quick |
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| 06:43.48 | kirean | karlpinc: thanks |
| 06:45.25 | Raptors | hey guys how do I set system sound in gnome to stereo and threw pulse? |
| 06:45.33 | Raptors | and how do I get chromium to output in pulse |
| 06:45.43 | Raptors | as in chromium I mean flash |
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| 06:46.29 | Raptors | I'm using the 64 bit beta flash |
| 06:47.04 | cahoot | n debian? |
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| 06:47.30 | Raptors | debian sid |
| 06:52.01 | cahoot | http://www.pulseaudio.org/wiki/PerfectSetup - promising title Raptors |
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| 07:25.19 | rzeka | How can I set the default shell for new users? Like when I create an user, he has /bin/sh in /etc/passwd, I'd like him to get /bin/bash by default |
| 07:25.34 | thenthenio | Hello, how to check the actual kernel configuration (modules included...) |
| 07:26.00 | cahoot | probably in /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 07:26.28 | cahoot | alternatively /proc/config.gz |
| 07:27.42 | JasonWoof | rzeka: --shell |
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| 07:28.03 | rzeka | JasonWoof, any way to use default shell or I have to pick this value every time I create new user? |
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| 07:32.17 | NetNiet | rzeka: man adduser "Files /etc/adduser.conf" |
| 07:32.28 | rzeka | thx |
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| 07:34.21 | NetNiet | and if you user useradd ..... man useradd says /etc/default/useradd |
| 07:34.45 | NetNiet | see also /etc/skel |
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| 07:50.50 | crazy2k_ | There's something I'm evidently not understanding. I have two processes. One is a real-time process with 99 priority using SCHED_FIFO policy (it's a while(1)). The other is a normal process. For some reason, when I run both the normal proces can print, so it's executing. Why? |
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| 08:01.08 | petern_ | crazy2k_, why shouldn't it? |
| 08:01.40 | crazy2k_ | petern_: AFAIK, if a process in SCHED_FIFO never blocks or yields the processor it should keep running. |
| 08:01.50 | crazy2k_ | So the other process should never get the processor. |
| 08:01.56 | NetNiet | PARLIAMENT: pld give an example of a network-aware spearker |
| 08:02.05 | NetNiet | *pls* |
| 08:02.09 | petern_ | crazy2k_, misconception |
| 08:02.37 | petern_ | crazy2k_, kernel has built-in limits |
| 08:03.02 | petern_ | /proc/sys/kernel/sched_rt_period_us and /proc/sys/kernel/sched_rt_runtime_us |
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| 08:03.55 | petern_ | by default RT is limited to running for 950ms in a 1000ms period |
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| 08:04.33 | petern_ | (and, of course, if you have a multi-core cpu, there'll be spare cores anyway) |
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| 08:08.09 | crazy2k_ | petern_: Oh. :O |
| 08:08.16 | leonord | i read that Squeeze has been frozen. but i am still getting drm_fill_in_dev error during boot-up. you guys have this problem? |
| 08:08.39 | crazy2k_ | petern_: So after those 950ms the process is preempted. |
| 08:09.01 | crazy2k_ | petern_: And what happens? Because the RT process still has higher priority. |
| 08:09.25 | petern_ | well it will have to wait |
| 08:09.44 | crazy2k_ | petern_: How much? |
| 08:09.58 | petern_ | leonord, frozen means no new features. there'll still be bug fixes. check if it's reported though. |
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| 08:10.13 | petern_ | crazy2k_, 1000ms - 950ms = 50ms |
| 08:10.38 | crazy2k_ | petern_: Oh, it's like RT queues are suspended for 50ms |
| 08:10.53 | sep | leonord, is it this one ? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=576724 |
| 08:12.24 | petern_ | crazy2k_, i don't know exactly what happens, but that's my understanding |
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| 08:13.22 | petern_ | crazy2k_, built-in protection against run-away processes. |
| 08:13.24 | crazy2k_ | petern_: And I can change those values, right? |
| 08:13.30 | petern_ | yeah |
| 08:13.34 | crazy2k_ | How? |
| 08:13.40 | crazy2k_ | Just edit that "file"? |
| 08:13.51 | petern_ | eh, normally you echo to them |
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| 08:14.04 | petern_ | echo 1000000 > /proc/sys/kernel/sched_rt_runtime_us |
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| 08:15.40 | g0rd0n | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/ why is it empty? :( i need a netinst iso for debian squeeze which is newer than alpha1 (e.g. kernel 2.6.32) |
| 08:15.46 | b0rsuk | Hi, I have a new and very much standard install of Debian Squeeze. Many of my applications complain they can't save settings in my home directory. Is there any reason I *shouldn't* chown -R my whole home directory ? |
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| 08:17.15 | b0rsuk | For example when exiting mc it says "failed to create /home/b0rsuk/.mc/ini.4GL5HV |
| 08:17.19 | karme | b0rsuk: the home dir is an old one => the mismatch? |
| 08:17.21 | b0rsuk | (Permission Denied) |
| 08:17.34 | b0rsuk | karme: no, it's a "fresh" install. |
| 08:17.39 | karme | b0rsuk: ? |
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| 08:17.54 | karme | b0rsuk: disk full? |
| 08:18.21 | b0rsuk | karme: Far from full, and it says "permission denied". |
| 08:18.43 | cahoot | who owns it ? |
| 08:18.46 | b0rsuk | I know I chan chown b0rsuk.b0rsuk -R my entire home dir, but I wonder if I *should* do that. |
| 08:19.38 | crazy2k_ | petern_: Permission denied |
| 08:19.42 | b0rsuk | I don't have 100% knowledge of Linux and perhaps that's the way it should be ? That some files in my home dir I don't have access to ? |
| 08:19.53 | petern_ | crazy2k_, you need to do it as root... |
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| 08:20.19 | sep | b0rsuk, only change on the directory in question. and dont do it recursivly without knowing consequences. and check who ownes it first |
| 08:20.20 | karme | why should this happen on a fresh install? |
| 08:20.25 | crazy2k_ | petern_: Yes. As root. |
| 08:20.28 | cahoot | b0rsuk: ls -ld /home/b0suk |
| 08:20.34 | crazy2k_ | petern_: Oh. Redirection doesn't work with sudo? |
| 08:20.48 | leonord | sep: i was surfing the web, and was viewing the same bug report. what is the status on this bug? |
| 08:20.55 | sep | b0rsuk, ls -lhd /home/b0rsuk/.mc |
| 08:21.00 | sep | Leonidas, read the last entry |
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| 08:21.02 | petern_ | crazy2k_, no |
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| 08:21.09 | sep | leonord, read the last entry |
| 08:21.10 | b0rsuk | LOL. I pressed enter at ".mc" and I get: "Cannot change directory"drwx------ 3 root root 4096 Aug 24 07:42 .mc |
| 08:21.21 | sep | Leonidas, sorry wrong nick |
| 08:21.23 | petern_ | crazy2k_, your echo runs as root, the redirection doesn't, heh |
| 08:21.41 | crazy2k_ | petern_: :) |
| 08:21.46 | crazy2k_ | It worked. |
| 08:22.01 | petern_ | now see if your machine locks up :p |
| 08:22.04 | b0rsuk | Is this normal ?: drwx------ 3 root root 4096 Aug 24 07:42 .mc |
| 08:22.10 | sep | b0rsuk, root ownes your users .mc i assume that's not what you want. |
| 08:22.43 | b0rsuk | Okay, can I chown -R my entire home directory or are there some obscure reasons I shouldn't do that ? |
| 08:22.45 | TACPILOT | I am new to apt-get and have my system in a bad state. I want to downgrade to a previous state. |
| 08:22.57 | leonord | sep: Ok about the nick. Last entry says this bug is also biting lenny. No solution yet? You using Squeeze? |
| 08:22.57 | b0rsuk | (I'm getting a little paranoid) |
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| 08:23.20 | TACPILOT | is this possible ? |
| 08:23.23 | crazy2k_ | petern_: The process dind't hang the computer anyway :/ |
| 08:23.25 | sep | b0rsuk, why the heck would you do the whole homedir when you can change only the .mc dir? |
| 08:23.29 | crazy2k_ | petern_: And both values are the same. |
| 08:23.39 | petern_ | ah well |
| 08:23.49 | b0rsuk | sep: Because there are more of them ? Should I chown every one of them separately ? |
| 08:23.55 | TACPILOT | I have apt pointing to the correct repos |
| 08:24.00 | TACPILOT | now |
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| 08:24.28 | sep | b0rsuk, how did you manage to change them to root in the first place ? probably chowning something you shouldnt have :P |
| 08:24.48 | petern_ | crazy2k_, how many cpu cores? |
| 08:25.16 | crazy2k_ | petern_: It's a VM. Just one. |
| 08:25.47 | b0rsuk | sep: That's the riddle, I never ran chown in my home dir. It's a fresh install. |
| 08:25.52 | sep | b0rsuk, well i would do one and one if there was few. if there was many i would do a find that gave me a list of wrong ownership files. and then after review would i let find run the chown |
| 08:26.10 | sep | b0rsuk, you can have started apps as root with the wrong $HOME |
| 08:26.20 | b0rsuk | Could it have something to do with the fact I *installed* (apt-get) mc using sudo (which is not standard in debian) instead of root ? |
| 08:26.36 | petern_ | no |
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| 08:27.44 | b0rsuk | Okay, nevermind. find . | grep root doesn't show anything. |
| 08:27.56 | sep | b0rsuk, man find |
| 08:28.00 | sep | you'r doing it wrong |
| 08:28.07 | b0rsuk | Yes I just noticed :-) |
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| 08:30.28 | b0rsuk | Am I correct that find doesn't have an option for owner, only for permissions ? |
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| 08:32.07 | thenthenio | In my system I have a PROMISE SATA boadr with HDs in RAID1, the 2.6.18 kernel I installed from Debian includes SATA PROMISE card as loadable module, where do I need to enable module loading or do I need to compile into the kernel to have RAID1 working? |
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| 08:32.35 | AlexC_ | morning |
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| 08:33.03 | AlexC_ | how can I find out what default configure options have been used by default if I just run './configure'? Look in the make file? |
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| 08:36.59 | crazy2k_ | petern_: Any ideas? |
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| 08:37.06 | petern_ | nope |
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| 08:40.01 | jca1981 | can you help me? im getting this when i try to install virtualbox via apt get "Depends: libc6 (>= 2.11) but 2.10.1-0ubuntu17 is to be installed" |
| 08:40.47 | mryanbrown | this is not ubuntuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu |
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| 08:42.14 | jca1981 | ubuntu is based on debian right :) |
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| 08:42.47 | Pinchiukas | What is the best app for linux to enable clients on the LAN to forward ports to them through UPnP? |
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| 08:43.08 | mryanbrown | yeah based on, but the packages are different |
| 08:43.15 | mryanbrown | it's a package dependancy issue |
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| 08:43.42 | mryanbrown | obviously your package is out of data for what you're trying to install |
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| 08:46.05 | ePax | I made one flash website but i t can now view it on my debian server. How can i install flash onto debian? |
| 08:46.58 | sep | ePax, ask dpkg about flash |
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| 08:47.54 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell ePax about flash |
| 08:48.09 | ePax | jpinx-eeepc: thnx |
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| 08:48.40 | jpinx-eeepc | ePax: but I, for one, will curse you for yet another crappy flashy website ;) |
| 08:48.58 | ePax | haha :D |
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| 08:49.10 | mryanbrown | I agree |
| 08:49.14 | mryanbrown | flash should die |
| 08:49.31 | jpinx-eeepc | ePax: please learn how to design a proper website ;) |
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| 08:49.55 | mryanbrown | html5 is your friend |
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| 08:50.18 | ePax | jpinx-eeepc: let me see your example of proper website :D |
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| 08:50.43 | mryanbrown | heres mine. www.he.net |
| 08:50.44 | mryanbrown | xD |
| 08:50.47 | mryanbrown | <3 he |
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| 08:50.59 | i5513 | hi |
| 08:51.12 | tomkap | hai |
| 08:51.54 | i5513 | If I run aptitude full-upgrade, it tell No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. |
| 08:51.57 | jpinx-eeepc | mryanbrown: heh - scripty sob site :) |
| 08:52.11 | jpinx-eeepc | i5513: that's good news :) |
| 08:52.12 | i5513 | but If I try ncurse interface, and I touch "g" |
| 08:52.25 | i5513 | then it want to remove and add some packages |
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| 08:53.07 | i5513 | and if I aptitude why xxxx (where xxxx is package to be added, it says me why it wants to install this) |
| 08:53.17 | i5513 | So, what I'm missing in aptitude behaviour ? |
| 08:53.24 | jpinx-eeepc | i5513: check your sources list, check that all recommends and maybe suggests too are actually installed |
| 08:54.27 | i5513 | jpinx-eeepc: but aptitude should give me the same response from command line than from ncurse isn't it ? |
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| 08:54.48 | jpinx-eeepc | i5513: dunno - I never use ncurses |
| 08:54.49 | i5513 | jpinx-eepc: I will forbid suggest, to see what it will do |
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| 08:55.12 | i5513 | jpinx-eeepc: Ok, maybe should ask in debian-user |
| 08:55.17 | jpinx-eeepc | i5513: what release are you running? |
| 08:55.47 | i5513 | jpinx-eeepc: I'm running stable and want to install all php5 / apache2 stuff from testing |
| 08:56.04 | i5513 | jpinx-eeepc: But aptitude wants then install dpkg from testing :( |
| 08:56.14 | jpinx-eeepc | i5513: Ooo - that will be difficult |
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| 08:56.34 | i5513 | jpinx-eeepc: there is not a php5.3 in backports :( |
| 08:56.35 | jpinx-eeepc | i5513: is this a live production box |
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| 08:57.04 | i5513 | jpinx-eeepc: is like a developer box more or less |
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| 08:57.34 | i5513 | jpinx-eeepc: it is not possible at this time installing php5* and apache2* from squeeze to lenny ? |
| 08:57.36 | i5513 | :( |
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| 08:57.42 | jpinx-eeepc | i5513: ok - maybe you should consider upgrading to squeeze now that it is frozen |
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| 08:59.10 | jpinx-eeepc | i5513: production boxes should really run stable but if you're in a sandbox, you could play with squeeze, but remember that anything you develop will need that environment in a public box for it to run |
| 08:59.37 | i5513 | jpinx-eeepc: I would like a mixed environment with pinning |
| 08:59.50 | i5513 | jpinx-eeepc: too to test pinning |
| 08:59.57 | jpinx-eeepc | i5513: it's your sandbox ;) |
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| 09:01.13 | i5513 | jpinx-eeepc: I know, but it is like Package: php5* Pin: release a=testing Pin-Priority: 1001 is not working very well here |
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| 09:01.37 | jpinx-eeepc | !php |
| 09:01.37 | dpkg | PHP is a scripting language. To install, ask me about <install php>. See also <php5>, <php4 security>, <php wants me to download still>, <php mysql>, <xampp>, <phpmyadmin>, <php gd>. http://wiki.debian.org/PHP http://www.php.net/ #php on irc.oftc.net, #php and ##php on irc.freenode.net. |
| 09:01.40 | Cobi_ | What do I need to do to make NFS mounts happen earlier in the boot process? I've got a few bind mounts, and it is trying to mount the bind before the source of the bind. |
| 09:01.46 | jpinx-eeepc | !php5 |
| 09:01.46 | dpkg | PHP5 is the only <PHP> version in Lenny, as PHP4 support has been discontinued; ask me about <php4 security>. |
| 09:02.07 | jpinx-eeepc | ,versions php |
| 09:02.09 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'php' was found. |
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| 09:02.11 | i5513 | jpinx-eepc: I want php5 v 5.3 |
| 09:02.23 | jpinx-eeepc | ,versions php5 |
| 09:02.24 | judd | php5 -- etch: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch16; etch-security: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch16; lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny8; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny9; sid: 5.3.2-1; sid: 5.3.2-2; squeeze: 5.3.2-2; experimental: 5.3.3-1 |
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| 09:03.04 | jpinx-eeepc | i5513: ok - you need that from squeeze |
| 09:03.28 | i5513 | I will ask in debian user mailing list about aptitude behaviour |
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| 09:06.32 | jpinx-eeepc | i5513: good plan - I know some people have got later php5 to run in lenny, but I don't know te details |
| 09:07.00 | jpinx-eeepc | heaves an "h" up there |
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| 09:10.31 | andreiutz | Hi, I need to install a Canon LBP2900 printer on my Ubuntu 10.04. I have the drivers but I get this error when I try to install them. What is the problem ? http://dpaste.com/234744/ |
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| 09:11.50 | Dewi | backports seems to be incomplete right now :/ |
| 09:11.57 | xand | andreiutz: that you're asking in the wrong channel |
| 09:12.13 | xand | andreiutz: --> #ubuntu |
| 09:12.15 | jpinx-eeepc | Dewi: define "incomplete" |
| 09:12.22 | andreiutz | xand, ok, sorry |
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| 09:12.39 | Dewi | jpinx-eeepc: of a set of related packages only some exist in the database. Unmet deps. |
| 09:12.51 | thenthenio | In my system I have a PROMISE SATA boadr with HDs in RAID1, the 2.6.18 kernel I installed from Debian includes SATA PROMISE card as loadable module, where do I need to enable module loading or do I need to compile into the kernel to have RAID1 working? |
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| 09:13.14 | jpinx-eeepc | Dewi: aptitude will look after the dependencies for you |
| 09:13.16 | Dewi | ruby1.9.1 exists on the web listing, but my apt can't get it from backports |
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| 09:13.30 | Dewi | jpinx-eeepc: it can't find some of them |
| 09:13.34 | jpinx-eeepc | not all of them will be in backports, there will be some in the usual repos |
| 09:13.48 | jpinx-eeepc | ,versions ruby |
| 09:13.50 | judd | ruby -- etch: 1.8.2-1; lenny: 4.2; sid: 4.5; squeeze: 4.5 |
| 09:14.16 | mosno | does 5.0.5 support gigabyte bios raid (ie. /dev/md127)? |
| 09:14.23 | mosno | the installer seems not to |
| 09:14.26 | Dewi | no, versions ruby1.9.1 |
| 09:14.33 | Dewi | , versions ruby1.9.1 |
| 09:14.35 | judd | ruby1.9.1 -- sid: 1.9.2~svn28788-1; squeeze: 1.9.2~svn28788-1 |
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| 09:14.47 | Dewi | jpinx-eeepc: does judd know about backports? |
| 09:14.56 | Dewi | , versions ruby1.9.1-full |
| 09:14.57 | judd | ruby1.9.1-full -- lenny-backports: 1.9.1.378-1~bpo50+1; sid: 1.9.1.378-4; sid: 1.9.2~svn28788-1; squeeze: 1.9.2~svn28788-1 |
| 09:15.10 | Dewi | ^ aah there, you see, the virtual package is there but not its deps |
| 09:15.24 | Dewi | (ruby1.9.1 is a dep of ruby1.9.1-full) |
| 09:15.28 | Dewi | some are there, others are not |
| 09:15.42 | jpinx-eeepc | Dewi: did you try installing it? |
| 09:15.48 | jpinx-eeepc | using aptitude? |
| 09:15.56 | Dewi | jpinx-eeepc: yes, the conflict manager suggests I should consider doing nothing at all |
| 09:15.59 | Dewi | :) |
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| 09:16.14 | Dewi | and if I say "give me another alternative" it goes "that's the only one" |
| 09:17.01 | jpinx-eeepc | Dewi: can you pastebin the command and the error please? |
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| 09:17.33 | Dewi | jpinx-eeepc: http://pastie.org/1119967 |
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| 09:19.12 | jpinx-eeepc | Dewi: why did you quit? |
| 09:19.30 | Dewi | jpinx-eeepc: I can also proceed with "doing nothing at all", but the result is the same |
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| 09:20.01 | i5513 | thank you for your tips, I asked in the list |
| 09:20.10 | i5513 | bye ! |
| 09:20.37 | Dewi | I wonder why packages.debian.org has good meta but I and juddbot do not |
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| 09:21.16 | jpinx-eeepc | dewi why not accept the solution offfered? |
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| 09:21.27 | Dewi | jpinx-eeepc: the solution is the same |
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| 09:21.45 | Dewi | (yes, I've tried it) |
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| 09:22.09 | Dewi | hmm I'll try a mirror, see if they have a coherent version |
| 09:22.24 | jpinx-eeepc | Dewi: an you do it again, selecct Y and pastebin the full command and output? |
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| 09:23.01 | Dewi | jpinx-eeepc: new tail is http://pastie.org/1119972 |
| 09:23.19 | Dewi | (answer is enter/yes both times) |
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| 09:24.04 | jpinx-eeepc | Dewi: beats me dude :) |
| 09:26.08 | Dewi | heh according to the nearest mirror none of the packages exist |
| 09:26.18 | Pinchiukas | What is the best app for linux to enable clients on the LAN to forward ports to them through UPnP? |
| 09:26.24 | Dewi | not desirable but at least there aren't broken packages in the repo |
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| 09:27.29 | jpinx-eeepc | Dewi: I know people are running ruby, so this must be possible, but I have no clue how |
| 09:27.50 | Molfar | hi. after donwgrade to lenny i've got an error "dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.". what is this? |
| 09:28.07 | Dewi | jpinx-eeepc: yeah, the lenny version is probably working |
| 09:28.43 | jpinx-eeepc | !downgrade |
| 09:28.43 | dpkg | [downgrade] Downgrading is not possible with apt-get/aptitude and no future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 09:28.53 | jpinx-eeepc | Molfar: ^^ |
| 09:28.57 | Molfar | here is a listing http://pastebin.com/9g4vgkXL |
| 09:29.32 | Molfar | jpinx-eeepc: I followed instruction http://phpsuxx.blogspot.com/2010/02/testingunstable-lenny.html |
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| 09:30.03 | Dewi | Molfar: that's not supported |
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| 09:30.33 | Dewi | Molfar: it might work with a small number of packages, but not usually for a whole system |
| 09:30.38 | Molfar | but downgrade is already done now( |
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| 09:30.54 | cahoot | at least attempted |
| 09:30.56 | jpinx-eeepc | Molfar: you migh consider backing up your data and re-installing lenny |
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| 09:35.05 | dfdf | hi, i have issues with flash "Shockwave Flash 10.1 r82" (flashplugin-nonfree from the repos) and iceweasel 3.5.11 I'm using debian squeeze. The issue is that allmost* any flash i open like video from youtube or a game for example won't take any input from the mouse (some youtube videos will but i reckon it's another plauyer version). Has anyone ecountered any of these issues with this config? |
| 09:36.04 | dfdf | with the firefox binary from mozilla.com all is ok |
| 09:36.12 | dfdf | and same flash plugin |
| 09:36.31 | dfdf | so i guess it's because of this version of iceweasel |
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| 09:37.03 | dfdf | i tried an older flashplayer plugin version, 9 and same thing in iceweasel and ok in firefox from mozilla |
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| 09:38.08 | dfdf | it's not that nothing loads or anything like that just that it won't respond to any mouse input |
| 09:39.13 | dfdf | i even recompiled iceweasel from debian repos source (the debian way) and the browser behaves ok but the nasty flashplayer plugin |
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| 09:47.45 | MrFrood | dfdf: No problems with Flash & Iceweasel here on squeeze but given that you say that you recompiled Iceweasel I think you should be aware that most of the functinality of Iceweasel comes from the Xulrunner package. |
| 09:48.23 | dfdf | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:49.42 | dfdf | MrFrood, is there any difference betwen flashplugin-nonfree from the repos and the one you can download from adobe? |
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| 09:52.41 | dfdf | MrFrood, so what about Xulrunner ? |
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| 09:53.45 | MrFrood | dfdf: and I'm saying that if a recompile was needed xulrunner is the package that provide the 'engine' of Iceweasel and thus is the package you probaly wanted to recompile. |
| 09:54.32 | dfdf | MrFrood, oh makes sense, i was wondering how comes it recompiled in 30 secs or so |
| 09:56.17 | MrFrood | it might also be worth a visit to your favourite search engine to see if flash has any known issues with any of the X mouse drivers |
| 09:56.55 | dfdf | MrFrood, flash is so crappy |
| 09:57.10 | MrFrood | yup |
| 09:57.26 | g0rd0n_ | am i right at assuming that i cannot configure raid on an LVM disk? |
| 09:57.50 | g0rd0n_ | the installer only allows me to choose sda1 which is /boot, but i dont see the main / partition which is LVM |
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| 10:02.16 | staybb | how is the easiest way to kill programs by freezing? |
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| 10:05.41 | dfdf | MrFrood, this solves the issue GDK_NATIVE_WINDOWS=TRUE iceweasel |
| 10:05.55 | dfdf | MrFrood, it seems someone had this problem before me |
| 10:05.57 | dfdf | :) |
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| 10:21.38 | x-files | http://facebook-youtube.com.nu/ |
| 10:22.58 | x-files | http://facebook-youtube.com.nu/ |
| 10:24.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | wtf |
| 10:26.54 | SlayerXP | !ops Could someone please add the URL to the Debian (UK) Summer Party wiki to the topic, thanks! |
| 10:26.55 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: slayerxp complains about: Could someone please add the URL to the Debian (UK) Summer Party wiki to the topic, thanks! |
| 10:27.10 | SlayerXP | that wasn't a complaint :) |
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| 10:32.22 | alcohol | would be easier if you mentioned the url? |
| 10:32.26 | alcohol | just thinking out loud |
| 10:33.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | they're supposed to know |
| 10:34.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 10:37.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | my, there's someone proud of utf8 support in his client... |
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| 10:40.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well... giving up |
| 10:40.23 | Pinchiukas | What is the best app for linux to enable clients on the LAN to forward ports to them through UPnP? |
| 10:40.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops |
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| 10:41.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought every client does that on its own |
| 10:41.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | often badly |
| 10:41.50 | Pinchiukas | The router has to have support for that. |
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| 10:43.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course |
| 10:43.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | but then I thought every client just does its stuff... |
| 10:44.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's upnp-inspector though |
| 10:44.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | also upnp-router-control |
| 10:44.41 | staybb | how is the easiest way to kill programs by freezing? |
| 10:44.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | by freezing? |
| 10:45.13 | hydra | control+z |
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| 10:45.30 | hydra | kill -9 and killall to terminate the process |
| 10:45.47 | hydra | fg recover the sleeping process (control+z) |
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| 10:46.51 | staybb | i need the job IDs how to get? |
| 10:47.15 | Vroomfondle | use 'ps' |
| 10:47.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can't know what he means |
| 10:49.02 | Pinchiukas | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm not looking for the client-side stuff, I'm looking for the router-side stuff. |
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| 10:49.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | I see |
| 10:51.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | Pinchiukas, apt-cache show mediatomb hmm... not sure that's what you're looking for |
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| 10:57.18 | hydra | aptitude > apt |
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| 11:00.04 | Pinchiukas | CutMeOwnThroat: :) |
| 11:00.09 | Pinchiukas | I'll look into it. |
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| 11:14.26 | MacGyverNL | Something on the debian wiki, at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianFirewall , caught my eye. One of the scripts there, about halfway down, contains a comment "# Drop invalid state packets |
| 11:14.26 | MacGyverNL | " followed by three rules "iptables -A INPUT -m conntrack --ctstate INVALID -j ACCEPT" for input, output and forward. It looks suspicious to me, can anyone with a clue take a look? |
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| 11:24.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | obviously it doesnt "drop" them |
| 11:25.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't like this page... it caters people who've somewhere heard a firewall would be a good idea |
| 11:26.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | then go ahead and break their networking |
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| 11:29.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | to* |
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| 11:30.22 | avar | How do I find out what package keeps changing /etc/motd to a symbolic link to /var/run/motd on upgrade? dpkg -S /etc/motd gives no results. |
| 11:30.47 | SOUL_OF_R00T | nice day tooo all :) |
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| 11:32.07 | abrotman | avar: that's what it's supposed to be |
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| 11:33.39 | avar | abrotman: I'm pretty sure it conflicts with http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-files.html#s10.7.3 |
| 11:33.58 | abrotman | avar: you're changing the wrong file .. change the one in /var/run/motd |
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| 11:34.16 | abrotman | !motd |
| 11:34.16 | dpkg | [motd] the Message Of The Day, or /etc/motd. /etc/motd is a symbolic link to /var/run/motd on Debian systems, see motd(5) and motd.tail(5) for further information. Squeeze users, see also Debian bug #541455. |
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| 11:36.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | I wonder why " The contents of this file are regenerated upon every system boot based on the contents of /etc/motd.tail" |
| 11:36.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | isn't that, kind of, a violation against not touching config files in /etc? |
| 11:36.56 | jelly | not "config files", "conffiles" |
| 11:37.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | same difference |
| 11:37.24 | avar | abrotman: That seems very inconsistent with how other packages behave, it's a symlink by default, but when I *change* that in /etc it should IMO be preserved per 10.7.3 |
| 11:37.39 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: there's no policy against changing stuff in /etc that doesn't belong to any one package |
| 11:37.49 | abrotman | avar: is that file actually listed as a conf file ? |
| 11:37.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | ! |
| 11:38.04 | jelly | dlocate -S /etc/motd ? |
| 11:38.21 | jelly | (it's the same as dpkg -S, only faster) |
| 11:38.35 | avar | abrotman: No, I just think it should be, but maybe I'm wrong :) |
| 11:38.38 | jelly | if it shows no owner, fair game |
| 11:38.43 | abrotman | well, i think you'd actually be looking for /var/run/motd |
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| 11:41.52 | abrotman | apparently no package own a 'motd' file at all |
| 11:41.55 | abrotman | on lenny |
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| 11:44.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | a ghost! |
| 11:44.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | the file that didn't exist |
| 11:45.05 | avar | abrotman: Well, not everything not marked as a conffile should be, see e.g. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=579752 which I filed (and was discussed here at the time) |
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| 11:45.44 | avar | I know I can edit the autogenerated /var/run/motd (and presumably it won't be generated anymore then), but it's just a bit inconsistent if you e.g. deploy a /etc/motd on a few solaris, freebsd, debian etc. systems that debian is the one overwriting it. |
| 11:46.19 | avar | I think it'd be better to have it as a conffile with the default contents being a symlink to /var/run/motd, then it'd prompt on upgrade if you want to change it. |
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| 11:50.31 | wat | Hello! I want to inactivate a proftpd account without deleting it. i just want to temporarily remove the pirviliges. |
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| 11:52.04 | nkuttler | any ideas how i could limit the upstream bandwidth of rsync over ssh? rsync only has a global limit |
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| 11:56.15 | hydra | nkuttler: using your router or iptables maybe, but I didn't know about that limit in rsync |
| 11:56.30 | thepro4ever | I totaly busted my OS last night i think, I was using apt-get to remove a package which had a huge list of package dependencies which I also remove, so now my lenny desktop doesn't display and I have to run in single user mode, is there any command i can run that will update my OS with all of the default system package for lenny at the least? |
| 11:56.33 | hydra | it doesn't work for you ? |
| 11:57.48 | hydra | thepro4ever: aptitude upgrade |
| 11:57.54 | hydra | or dist-upgrade |
| 11:57.56 | hydra | I guess |
| 11:58.28 | thepro4ever | i already tried dist-upgrade and it did nothing |
| 11:58.32 | hydra | or just install "gnome" or "kde" that will install a lot of dependencies |
| 11:58.39 | thepro4ever | ok |
| 11:58.50 | thepro4ever | gnome is the name of the package? |
| 11:58.54 | hydra | unsuere |
| 11:59.01 | hydra | apt-get cache search gnome|more |
| 11:59.04 | thepro4ever | what desktop does debian lenny use? |
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| 11:59.21 | hydra | I used sid on debian, but actually I'm talking from Gentoo |
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| 11:59.40 | thepro4ever | i'm fucked |
| 11:59.40 | jelly | thepro4ever: Gnome by default, there are more available. |
| 11:59.43 | hydra | you can use the desktop you want |
| 11:59.55 | jelly | thepro4ever: /msg dpkg install gnome |
| 11:59.55 | hydra | I preffer KDE, kde RAPES gnome |
| 12:00.00 | hydra | gnome is just a PoS |
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| 12:00.37 | thepro4ever | i just want to use what i had, i liked the debian lenny desktop |
| 12:00.39 | hydra | thepro4ever install aptitude if it's not available on the system |
| 12:00.45 | thepro4ever | i have aptitude |
| 12:00.51 | hydra | and run "aptitude" or "aptitude install whatever" |
| 12:00.57 | hydra | aptitude search whatever |
| 12:01.01 | hydra | prior to that |
| 12:01.04 | hydra | run aptitude update |
| 12:01.05 | hydra | of course |
| 12:01.09 | thepro4ever | ok |
| 12:01.10 | jelly | !enter |
| 12:01.10 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 12:01.27 | hydra | dpkg, I agree with you. I'm sorry |
| 12:01.27 | dpkg | i don't know, hydra |
| 12:01.59 | hydra | it's because the psi/jabber style talking with friends... what causes this "mania" |
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| 12:02.40 | gc | when installing sid with the 180MB CD, the default choice is "install", not "graphical install"; does that mean graphical install is not recommended for the moment and it is safer to choose install? |
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| 12:03.00 | jelly | thenthenio: read what dpkg will tell you in private after you do that /msg |
| 12:03.15 | hydra | !enter |
| 12:03.15 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 12:03.18 | hydra | hey, that rlz |
| 12:03.19 | hydra | xDD |
| 12:03.29 | PsychiC_ | !bot |
| 12:03.29 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 12:03.38 | jelly | !msg the bot |
| 12:03.38 | dpkg | Please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database, or ask me about <bot help> <help> |
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| 12:04.05 | dels | hi |
| 12:04.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | gc, use whatever you like... use something else if it doesn't work for you... fair enough? |
| 12:04.25 | dels | i have a very very broken debian which i have now booted in rescue mode. |
| 12:04.41 | hydra | so ? |
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| 12:04.44 | gc | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm just looking for the safer installation path, that's all |
| 12:04.51 | dels | i have manually fixed missing aptitude and apt* but if i try to install a package i always get this error: I wasn't able to locate file for the linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 package. this might mean you need to manually fix this package |
| 12:04.58 | dels | any hints how to fix this |
| 12:05.21 | abrotman | avar: you can file a bug on the package .. but there's also the motd.tail which you may find useful |
| 12:05.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | gc, try! only takes you 5 minutes to click on "graphical install" and reboot if that is problematic with your graphics card |
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| 12:06.20 | gc | the graphical install is kinda pretty, i like it |
| 12:06.20 | jpinx-eeepc | dels: what kernel *are* you running? |
| 12:06.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | gc, no graphics == 1 thing less that can go wrong (i.e. switching to graphics mode), apart from that i haven't seen much difference |
| 12:07.08 | gc | CutMeOwnThroat: is it the same code with only display and inputs that differ, or two different codebases? |
| 12:07.08 | dels | jpinx-eeepc: uname -a says 2.6.30-2-486. its the debian testing net installer cd booted into rescue mode |
| 12:07.28 | hydra | dels: install it by yourself |
| 12:07.46 | hydra | aptitude search linux-image |
| 12:07.50 | abrotman | dels: what did you do to need the rescue CD ? |
| 12:08.09 | dels | hydra: why trying to install linux-image this error message comes up |
| 12:08.33 | abrotman | dels: why doesn't the machine boot on its own ? |
| 12:08.36 | dels | abrotman: download it, burn it, and booted .... dont understand the question |
| 12:08.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | gc, I didn't make it, nor disassemble it... but i would guess the former |
| 12:08.48 | dels | abrotman: because several files are missing... |
| 12:08.53 | dels | abrotman: dont know why...;( |
| 12:08.53 | abrotman | dels: oh, you're still doing the install ? |
| 12:09.03 | dels | abrotman: no this was a running system... |
| 12:09.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | dels, he asks what the first thing was that went wrong |
| 12:09.25 | abrotman | dels: right, so my question is .. why won't the system boot on its own .. what changed to make it go from working to broken? |
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| 12:10.54 | gc | CutMeOwnThroat: come on, disassemble would be for proprietary stuff:) |
| 12:10.55 | jelly | dels: power failure? Gremlin infestation? Recent upgrade? |
| 12:11.19 | dels | abrotman: the last thing i have done was installing three other nics and a two 1tb hdd's. i have configured them as a software raid... then i went on holiday and recognized, that i could not log in via ssh. back home i also could not log in on tty. then i rebooted and he could not find file for mdadm, networking stuff and so on... |
| 12:11.25 | dels | i dont know what went wrong... |
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| 12:11.34 | dels | but i do regular updates... |
| 12:11.41 | dels | could have happened with an update... |
| 12:11.47 | dels | i am really not sure about this... |
| 12:11.51 | wat | Is there an irc channel for proftpd? |
| 12:12.04 | wat | support |
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| 12:12.07 | hydra | dels: because it won't install your kernel by yourself for whatever reason |
| 12:12.19 | abrotman | wat: oddly, #proftpd |
| 12:12.36 | wat | thanks |
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| 12:12.54 | tomatto_ | hi |
| 12:13.08 | dels | hydra: yes for sure, if i would have any hint whats the problem i would keep on debugging... but i have completly no idea whats going on.. and i dont want to reinstall all the stuff... |
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| 12:13.26 | tomatto_ | please, what is needed to install openoffice.org version 3? |
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| 12:14.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | gc, I meant it in the sense of "take apart, loose parts, do not know how to put back together" |
| 12:14.23 | dels | hydra: how can i debug whats going wrong? |
| 12:14.44 | dels | i havent had any apt or aptitude files after this "crash" |
| 12:14.58 | morn | tomatto: openoffice 3 is included in debian backports ( http://backports.org ) |
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| 12:15.48 | hydra | dels: aptitude update by now |
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| 12:15.51 | hydra | everything works fine ? |
| 12:16.21 | dels | hydra: aptitude update works fine |
| 12:16.26 | hydra | good |
| 12:16.41 | PhorceP | Running Squeeze. Been getting this for weeks when trying to update the kernel: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/776927 |
| 12:16.57 | hydra | dels: now, search for that package linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 package |
| 12:17.02 | hydra | and similar like headers,etc. |
| 12:17.32 | dels | hydra: searched for |
| 12:17.34 | dels | hydra: |
| 12:17.38 | dels | hydra: and found |
| 12:17.38 | hydra | exists ? |
| 12:17.43 | hydra | can you install it ? |
| 12:17.55 | hydra | aptitude install linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 |
| 12:17.59 | hydra | or reinstall |
| 12:18.19 | dels | hydra: no aptitude reinstall linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 brings the error I wasn't able to locate file for the linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 package. this might mean you need to manually fix this package |
| 12:18.25 | hydra | ok |
| 12:18.39 | hydra | remove cache files |
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| 12:19.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | dels, how about backups? |
| 12:19.09 | hydra | I don't remember how to clean cache... anyway, remove the *.deb files |
| 12:19.11 | hydra | of apt |
| 12:19.13 | hydra | and retry |
| 12:19.17 | abrotman | aptitude clean |
| 12:19.39 | hydra | (I'm on my gentoo now, I used debian sid sometime ago) |
| 12:19.41 | abrotman | dels: does the system have internet? you can get this file with wget if you need it |
| 12:19.49 | hydra | yeah, that's the idea |
| 12:19.56 | hydra | maybe the packagage was corrupt |
| 12:19.58 | hydra | for some reason |
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| 12:20.06 | dels | hydra: same error |
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| 12:20.23 | abrotman | dels: dpkg -l linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 .. what is the version string ? |
| 12:20.26 | hydra | have you deleted the *.deb folder ? |
| 12:20.31 | hydra | (the files, not the folder) |
| 12:20.35 | dels | hydra: aptitude clean and removing cache files are the same right? |
| 12:20.41 | hydra | unsure |
| 12:20.44 | abrotman | it won't help |
| 12:20.45 | abrotman | dels: dpkg -l linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 .. what is the version string ? |
| 12:21.02 | hydra | (abrotman: thanks) |
| 12:21.32 | dels | abrotman: failed to read archive. linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 not such file or directory |
| 12:21.41 | abrotman | dels: put quotes around it .. |
| 12:21.43 | dels | thats the error message |
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| 12:22.14 | Drust | hi |
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| 12:22.23 | dels | abrotman: same error message with dpkg -l "linux-image-2.6.32-5-686" |
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| 12:22.28 | fALSO | hello! |
| 12:22.37 | fALSO | anyone knows why php5-intl doesnt exist |
| 12:22.41 | fALSO | in debian stable? |
| 12:22.53 | hydra | because debian stable SUX |
| 12:23.07 | abrotman | hydra: go troll somewhere else |
| 12:23.11 | [-TuMBa-] | hey hey, debian stable dont sux |
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| 12:23.15 | hydra | abrotman: sorry. |
| 12:23.16 | Drust | I'm looking for a tool cheking that installed packages are correctly installed (all files present on the FS) |
| 12:23.39 | fALSO | anyone else besides hydra has another opionion? |
| 12:23.40 | hydra | dels: ls /usr/src/ |
| 12:23.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | Drust, debsums? |
| 12:23.42 | dels | abrotman: any other hints what to do? |
| 12:23.43 | abrotman | fALSO: it's possible it didn't exist at that time .. or wasn't relevant to 5.2.x |
| 12:23.53 | hydra | fALSO: maybe extra repositories needed ? |
| 12:23.55 | fALSO | it exists since php exists |
| 12:24.02 | dels | hydra: /usr/src is completly empty |
| 12:24.03 | fALSO | its PART of PHP |
| 12:24.03 | abrotman | dels: cd /tmp/; dpkg -l linux-image* |
| 12:24.24 | Drust | CutMeOwnThroat, thank you |
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| 12:24.50 | fALSO | i mean... almost every module |
| 12:24.52 | fALSO | exists |
| 12:24.53 | dels | abrotman: failed to read archive 'linux-image*': No such file or directory |
| 12:24.58 | abrotman | fALSO: apparently they didn't build it until they moved to 5.3.1 |
| 12:25.01 | fALSO | but the intl doesnt |
| 12:25.10 | abrotman | and lenny has 5.2.x |
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| 12:25.38 | abrotman | dels: you're booted into the liveCD, and you did a chroot into the dead system ? |
| 12:26.01 | dockimble | is there a way to force apt to install the dependencies that "are not going to be installed"? |
| 12:26.07 | hydra | dels: can you boot in your system without any liveCD ? |
| 12:26.08 | dels | abrotman: yes |
| 12:26.12 | dels | hydra: no |
| 12:26.23 | hydra | dels: why not ? |
| 12:26.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | dockimble, you can try to install them to find out why they can't be installed |
| 12:26.37 | abrotman | he already said mdadm is broken |
| 12:26.51 | dels | hydra: ^^ |
| 12:26.59 | dockimble | i try, and it's an endless chain of dependencies |
| 12:27.08 | hydra | dels: I mean, which error prevents you from booting |
| 12:27.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | dockimble, it would be difficult to force installing a package that doesn't exist, for example |
| 12:27.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | dockimble, yes! isn't it fun! |
| 12:27.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | dockimble, try aptitude why-not <package> |
| 12:28.07 | hydra | dels: maybe you could try to move to sid or testing, then update |
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| 12:28.30 | dels | hydra: i could reboot again and put it to you... but the problem is that the hole system is somehow broken... if apt isnt working there is something fundamental wrong... |
| 12:28.33 | dockimble | it gives me no reason why it could not remove the package, which is not installed |
| 12:28.44 | dels | hydra: move to sid or testing and then update?? |
| 12:28.51 | dels | hydra: its a squeeze system |
| 12:29.00 | hydra | change repositories to sid, then update |
| 12:29.02 | hydra | ops |
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| 12:29.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | dockimble, also, use aptitude instead of apt-get, it will suggest different solutions to whatever problem exists |
| 12:29.27 | MexicoLindo | What is the offtopic channel for debian? |
| 12:29.30 | hydra | dels: then maybe there's something wrong with libc or whatever ? |
| 12:29.37 | streuner | !ot |
| 12:29.38 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 12:29.46 | dockimble | i did |
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| 12:30.14 | streuner | dockimble: that was for MexicoLindo :-) |
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| 12:30.41 | dels | abrotman: any other hints what i could try? |
| 12:30.43 | hydra | dels: did you tried to reinstall aptitude / apt then reboot ? |
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| 12:31.11 | dels | hydra: i can not reinstall apt or aptitude since on every aptitude install i get the error message: I wasn't able to locate file for the linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 package. this might mean you need to manually fix this package |
| 12:31.11 | abrotman | dels: what is the kernel on the broken system? look in /boot/ |
| 12:31.22 | hydra | I got your very same error a week ago (my girlfriends debian) but the system was working fine (I mean, apt,etc.) |
| 12:31.54 | hydra | dels: try to install any other linux image |
| 12:31.55 | dels | abrotman: 2.6.32-5-686 |
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| 12:32.19 | dels | hydra: how should i do this without loosing my data? |
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| 12:32.29 | hydra | or download sources .deb and put them into the correct places |
| 12:32.33 | hydra | then try to install |
| 12:32.45 | dels | hydra: i _could_ backup them, but the partitions are specially sized... i dont want to resize them again...;( |
| 12:33.05 | abrotman | why the source? |
| 12:33.10 | hydra | dels: I don't understand what you say, I didn't mentioned anything dangerous |
| 12:33.18 | hydra | I think I misunderstood |
| 12:33.19 | dels | hydra: could you explain more exactly how to download the sources and putting them into correct places... even without wget and links...;( |
| 12:33.27 | abrotman | bad idea ... |
| 12:33.29 | hydra | you don't have wget ? |
| 12:33.41 | dels | hydra: dont ask me why but i dont have wget... |
| 12:33.44 | abrotman | dels: you need to figure out which version of 2.6.32-5-686 you have .. this is in /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 12:33.58 | hydra | dels: wich platform do you have ? |
| 12:34.02 | hydra | amd64 ? |
| 12:34.24 | Drust | i'm looking for someone or repos. that publis mesa/drivers nightly builds |
| 12:34.25 | abrotman | uhm .. 686 ? |
| 12:34.41 | hydra | Drust: check the git repository |
| 12:34.50 | hydra | abrotman: yeah... |
| 12:35.07 | Drust | hydra, you'r saying "build yourself" ? |
| 12:35.11 | hydra | abrotman: I'm trying to help, but I'm currently using Gentoo since some years ago |
| 12:35.11 | abrotman | i'm telling you .. 686 .. if you're going to try to help him, at least read what he's typing .. he's typed it quite a few times now |
| 12:35.19 | tomatto_ | why apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree only downloaded file install_flash_player_10_linux.tar.gz |
| 12:35.22 | tomatto_ | ? |
| 12:35.34 | abrotman | tomatto_: because that's how it works |
| 12:35.35 | hydra | abrotman: ok, don't discuss, just try to figure out what's going on |
| 12:35.53 | dels | abrotman: version: 2.6.32-5? for what do i have to grep in /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 12:36.05 | tomatto_ | abrotman: i hope more...automated instalation |
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| 12:36.28 | abrotman | dels: you might actually want to look in the file |
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| 12:36.36 | Drust | bye ! |
| 12:36.50 | abrotman | tomatto_: can't really have that, their license forbids it |
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| 12:37.18 | tomatto_ | abrotman: there is only one library file? |
| 12:37.25 | abrotman | yeah |
| 12:37.37 | hydra | tomatto_ I recommend you to use flashplayer-mozilla |
| 12:37.44 | hydra | from multimedia repositories |
| 12:38.13 | hydra | I guess you're trying to install it on a x64 system, if not, ignore my comment. |
| 12:38.16 | dels | abrotman: i dont have vi, vim, emacs and nano is not usable because of the term settings...:\ |
| 12:38.22 | abrotman | dels: grep 2.6.32 /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 12:38.25 | hydra | dels: use "cat" |
| 12:38.25 | dels | abrotman: any other idea what editor to use? |
| 12:38.30 | hydra | cat |more |
| 12:38.47 | abrotman | dels: actually |
| 12:38.50 | abrotman | dels: grep 2.6.32 /var/lib/dpkg/status | grep Version |
| 12:38.52 | hydra | or grep, yes |
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| 12:39.42 | tomatto_ | hydra: hydra on x86 system. flashplayer-mozilla is not available for x86? |
| 12:39.46 | abrotman | dels: you should see something like "Version: 2.6.32-20" or something like that .. there will be more than one |
| 12:39.49 | abrotman | tomatto_: yes it is |
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| 12:40.39 | dels | abrotman: i have 2.6.32-20 and 2.6.32+28 as greatest and then -5 and -9 |
| 12:40.41 | tomatto_ | abrotman: so why do i ignore your comment? |
| 12:40.55 | abrotman | tomatto_: i didn't tell you to ignore me |
| 12:41.03 | linis | i'm trying to install vtigercrm on my linode and it is asking for the location of my apache. i gave /etc/apache2 and it was wrong. the example there says /etc/httpd, but that doesnt exist on my linode |
| 12:41.06 | abrotman | dels: do you have wget or curl ? |
| 12:41.42 | dels | abrotman: no, neither of the have been found by shell |
| 12:41.44 | tomatto_ | abrotman: i wrote ignore your comment...and you said it before |
| 12:41.57 | abrotman | tomatto_: which version of debian is this? |
| 12:42.10 | abrotman | dels: well, you're going to have to find some way to get packages to the machine |
| 12:42.14 | abrotman | usb drive or something |
| 12:42.26 | abrotman | dels: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-2.6.32-5-686_2.6.32-20_i386.deb .. taht's the file you want |
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| 12:43.03 | tomatto_ | abrotman: lenny |
| 12:43.35 | abrotman | tomatto_: and it's i386? you would use the packages from backports.org, that's prbably the easiest source |
| 12:44.03 | tomatto_ | i686 |
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| 12:45.53 | hydra | tomatto_ in x86 no problem |
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| 12:47.03 | dels | abrotman: where do i have to put this file? |
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| 12:47.48 | abrotman | dels: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 12:48.01 | abrotman | tomatto_: see the instructions at backports.org |
| 12:48.09 | thenthenio | In my system I have a PROMISE SATA board with HDs in RAID1, the 2.6.18 kernel I installed from Debian includes SATA PROMISE card as loadable module, where do I need to enable module loading or do I need to compile into the kernel to have RAID1 working? |
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| 12:48.59 | abrotman | thenthenio: why are you installing etch? please use lenny |
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| 12:49.28 | dels | abrotman: and next? (i have noticed that i even dont have cp anymore but mv) |
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| 12:49.37 | dels | aptitude install linux-image? |
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| 12:49.49 | thenthenio | abrotman: I was on etch, trying to move to lenny |
| 12:49.56 | abrotman | oh, sorry |
| 12:50.06 | abrotman | dels: you can try that |
| 12:50.24 | tomatto_ | abrotman: yes, it is working now.thx |
| 12:50.40 | dels | abrotman: same error |
| 12:50.51 | abrotman | dels: what is the error text? |
| 12:51.05 | abrotman | dels: aptitude reinstall linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 ? |
| 12:51.23 | thenthenio | abrotman: now I need to know how to have PROMISE SATA RAID1 working on 2.6.18, then I'll move to lenny... |
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| 12:51.48 | dels | abrotman: I wasn't able to locate file for the linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 package. this might mean you need to manually fix this package and internale error: couldnt generate liost of packages to download |
| 12:52.18 | dels | abrotman: one moment |
| 12:53.22 | dels | abrotman: with aptitude install linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 he could find the cron package and with aptitude reinstall linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 its still the same error |
| 12:53.47 | abrotman | dels: which version is it trying to reinstall? does the error tell you? |
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| 12:55.02 | dels | abrotman: no...;( |
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| 12:55.19 | abrotman | you can force the removal of the package |
| 12:55.27 | abrotman | but you'll hvae to install another working kernel |
| 12:56.04 | dels | if this works.... |
| 12:56.08 | dels | abrotman: ill give it a try |
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| 12:56.29 | thenthenio | Is there a way to load a module right on boot? |
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| 12:57.09 | abrotman | thenthenio: /etc/modules |
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| 12:59.22 | thenthenio | abrotman: so, this way the PROMISE module shoud load early enough to have RAID1 working? |
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| 12:59.50 | abrotman | i'd guess it should be in your initrd, but i don't use the promise stuff, supposedly it's flaky |
| 13:00.53 | thenthenio | To set it in initrd do I have to recompile with that module enabled? |
| 13:02.37 | dels | abrotman: if i try to remove linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 the claims: I wasn't able to locate file for the cron package. this might mean you need to manually fix this package. if i then try to remove the cron package i get the same error with linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 and if i try to remove both he complains about dependency problems of different packages lik openssl-blacklist, ruby1.8-elisp initramfs and some other more packages |
| 13:03.04 | abrotman | dels: what the heck did you do? |
| 13:03.15 | dels | abrotman: hehe if i would know.....;( |
| 13:04.00 | abrotman | this doesn't happen by itself |
| 13:04.35 | dels | abrotman: i have configured i linux software raid. but not on the system partition |
| 13:04.40 | jpinx-eeepc | which kernel is he actually running right now? |
| 13:04.41 | hydra | dels: dude, do you have an accessible SSH ? |
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| 13:05.02 | dels | jpinx-eeepc: with the net-installer disc? |
| 13:05.10 | dels | hydra: on the net installer disc? |
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| 13:06.06 | hydra | buff |
| 13:06.18 | hydra | man, I think it will be better to reinstall |
| 13:06.30 | hydra | since you will have to update the whole distro packages |
| 13:06.56 | hydra | maybe using sysrescue and a chroot it's better than this netinstall package |
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| 13:07.08 | hydra | or debian based livecd |
| 13:07.14 | dels | can i somehow keep my partitions? |
| 13:07.22 | jpinx-eeepc | where did the netinstall disc come from? |
| 13:07.26 | hydra | yeap copying them with dd |
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| 13:07.33 | hydra | ddrescue or cp -a |
| 13:07.34 | hydra | whatever |
| 13:07.46 | hydra | but just copy your sensitive data into another place |
| 13:07.48 | hydra | pendrive |
| 13:07.50 | hydra | or something |
| 13:07.56 | abrotman | !enter |
| 13:07.56 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 13:08.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | dels, the installer doesn't force you to repartition |
| 13:08.05 | hydra | abrotman: sorry sorry |
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| 13:08.36 | dels | jpinx-eeepc: from debian mirrors... |
| 13:08.38 | hydra | dels: also CutMeOwnThroat told you, you can reuse your partitions by just formatting |
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| 13:09.03 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell dels about netinstall |
| 13:09.06 | dels | CutMeOwnThroat: but i cant mount an encrypted lvm device..:\ |
| 13:09.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | dels, I don't know if you can or not - I always felt having stuff on an encrypted lvm device is just asking for trouble, so I never used it myself |
| 13:10.31 | dels | CutMeOwnThroat: can i start install process out of the rescue system? |
| 13:10.53 | jpinx-eeepc | dels: get your netinstall done and then sort out lvm/encryption crap |
| 13:11.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | dels, the encrypted lvm/raid whatever stuff, is that just on /home? |
| 13:12.08 | dels | CutMeOwnThroat: no, the hole system is encrypted |
| 13:12.42 | jpinx-eeepc | ffs! |
| 13:12.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | sounds like fun |
| 13:13.07 | hydra | dels: your system is NOW encrypted ? |
| 13:13.15 | djura-san | o/ |
| 13:13.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | dels, how do you access it from the rescue disk, anyway? |
| 13:13.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | dels, and... is /home on a separate partition? |
| 13:14.04 | dels | CutMeOwnThroat: cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sda2 sda. yes it is. |
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| 13:14.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | dels, well... then you can just put an unencrypted system on the system device when you reinstall, then sort out mounting the encrypted home stuff (don't forget to make copies of your keys and config files) |
| 13:14.54 | hydra | buff |
| 13:14.57 | hydra | funny... |
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| 13:15.27 | hydra | copy your sensitive data and /home somewhere ASAP |
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| 13:15.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | and yes... general backups of important stuff wouldn't be amiss |
| 13:15.56 | pozidux | i want to remaster from debian |
| 13:15.57 | pozidux | i want to remaster debian... where should i begin?! |
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| 13:16.30 | abrotman | pozidux: to do what? |
| 13:17.17 | pozidux | i want to remstare debian |
| 13:18.13 | abrotman | pozidux: to do what? |
| 13:18.42 | pozidux | make a new distro based on debian. |
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| 13:19.56 | abioticrhyme | I have a question about shorewall if I am behind a router do I need to still set up a net ipv4 and a dmz ipv4 in the zones? |
| 13:20.21 | cast | no. |
| 13:20.36 | abrotman | pozidux: there are plenty of docs online .. ask google |
| 13:20.49 | abioticrhyme | ok thanks cast |
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| 13:21.09 | pozidux | yes. i need a start point. seems there is 2 way |
| 13:21.16 | abrotman | pozidux: there are plenty of docs online .. ask google |
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| 13:25.46 | cahoot | should it be self evident that vnc is plenty faster than ssh -Y on a (home)LAN? |
| 13:26.00 | cast | -X |
| 13:26.21 | cahoot | X or Y no diff |
| 13:26.22 | cast | since it's a homelan why tunnel X over ssh? |
| 13:26.49 | cast | ahh, sorry, didn't know -Y was actually valid :( |
| 13:26.52 | cahoot | didn't have vnc |
| 13:27.16 | cast | you can just run X over the network |
| 13:27.49 | cahoot | maybe I should learn to do just that |
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| 13:40.43 | PhorceP | Running Squeeze. Been getting this for weeks when trying to update the kernel: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/776927 |
| 13:42.15 | TiCPU | is there a way to tell dpkg to forget about a package (so it gets unmanaged) without purging the files? |
| 13:42.35 | TiCPU | I don't want apt to manage mediawiki anymore |
| 13:43.49 | AlexC_ | does anyone know of the name of a package that is purely a shell script? I'm intersted in knowing how it's packaged |
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| 13:44.50 | valdyn | AlexC_: wondershaper |
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| 13:45.13 | valdyn | AlexC_: shorewall |
| 13:45.29 | valdyn | ( though shorewall is a few scripts plus docs ) |
| 13:46.40 | AlexC_ | valdyn: a ha, thanks :) |
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| 13:52.52 | Bop | does anyone knows whymodule php5-intl exist for squeeze and not on lenny ? |
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| 13:54.02 | Molfar | how can I add path to open_basedir directive globaly to all virtual hosts? |
| 13:54.38 | abrotman | Bop: did'nt you just ask that half an hour ago ? |
| 13:54.38 | AlexC_ | Molfar: I can only assuming you're referring to PHP, so ##php |
| 13:55.22 | Bop | lol no |
| 13:55.31 | Molfar | I'm using debian, so i decided to ask here first |
| 13:55.48 | AlexC_ | Molfar: so if you were using Windows, you'd go ask in #windows ? |
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| 13:55.54 | AlexC_ | you're using PHP |
| 13:57.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | PhorceP, error: Unknown LVM metadata header // grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for /. - fix your lvm setup... whatever that is, make update-grub complete without error... obviously it can't find your root partition |
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| 13:57.21 | stew | Molfar: edit /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini |
| 13:57.24 | avar | abrotman: (sorry, went away). What package is /etc/motd in, and how in general can I find that out for files that aren't binaries/conffiles etc. that dpkg -S doesn't work on. |
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| 13:57.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | having a look in /boot/grub/device.map might help... |
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| 13:58.26 | oDn | Hey folks! Has anyone heard of an easy way of getting gcc-4.1 installed on Lenny? I need to compile and setup glibc 2.5... |
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| 13:58.52 | stew | ap3r: /etc/motd is generated during the boot process. its part of base-files. sometimes the easiest way to figure that out is grepping through /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 13:59.33 | cornelinux | Hi there, where can I download an older release like Etch? Cannot find it anymore. |
| 13:59.43 | stew | oDn: aptitude install gcc-4.1 |
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| 13:59.58 | stockholm | cornelinux: i think from archive.debian.org |
| 13:59.58 | stew | cornelinux: archive.debian.org |
| 14:00.28 | ap3r | indeed - http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/ |
| 14:00.49 | cornelinux | Stew and stockholm, thanks a lot. It is so easy when you know.... ;-) |
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| 14:00.52 | stew | cornelinux: you won't, however find ISO images there, if that is what your looking for |
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| 14:01.10 | cornelinux | stew, yeah it is. |
| 14:01.25 | abrotman | cornelinux: tehre is a cd archive if you want it |
| 14:01.30 | stew | cornelinux: why, may I ask, would you want to run etch? |
| 14:01.47 | oDn | stew: Somehow I can tell this is Friday... Thanks for the help! :) |
| 14:01.56 | stew | happy friday! |
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| 14:02.01 | cornelinux | stew, i got some old software that runs on etch and need to migrate data... |
| 14:02.14 | abrotman | cornelinux: http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r7/ has i386 if that will sufficwe |
| 14:02.31 | stew | cornelinux: the easiest thing then might be to just use debootstrap to setup a croot on a current debian install |
| 14:02.55 | cornelinux | abrotman: thanks. |
| 14:03.04 | cornelinux | stew: indeed. Thats sounds sensible |
| 14:03.48 | stew | cornelinux: debootstrap etch /path/to/target http://archive.debian.org/debian |
| 14:04.03 | stew | cornelinux: then if you "chroot /path/to/target", you are in etch, essential |
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| 14:04.41 | cornelinux | stew: hm, but what about USB: I got some special usb device. Will it run within the chroot? |
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| 14:07.21 | fALSO | sirs |
| 14:07.25 | stew | cornelinux: yes, but using the kernel you are already running |
| 14:07.35 | fALSO | im trying to use dpkg-buildpackage |
| 14:07.37 | PhorceP | CutMeOwnThroat: device.map looks like this: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/776976 |
| 14:07.45 | fALSO | but im getting an error : Can't locate Dpkg.pm in @INC |
| 14:07.55 | fALSO | what is happening, anyone knows? |
| 14:08.09 | stew | fALSO: what does "which perl" return? |
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| 14:08.18 | fALSO | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:09.32 | stew | , file Dpkg.pm |
| 14:09.35 | judd | Dpkg.pm in lenny/i386: dpkg: usr/share/perl5/Dpkg.pm; ocsinventory-agent: usr/share/perl5/Ocsinventory/Agent/Backend/OS/Generic/Packaging/BSDpkg.pm |
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| 14:09.41 | stew | i'm going to assume that the dpkg package is actually installed :) |
| 14:09.53 | stew | fALSO: does /usr/share/perl5/Dpkg.pm exist? |
| 14:10.03 | fALSO | nop |
| 14:10.11 | stew | fALSO: are you running debian? |
| 14:10.19 | fALSO | just a /usr/share/perl5/Dpkg/ with a lot of files there |
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| 14:10.23 | fALSO | but not Dpkg.pm |
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| 14:10.26 | fALSO | yes, debian stable |
| 14:11.25 | jordanm | fALSO: pastebin: apt-cache policy dpkg apt libc6 |
| 14:11.52 | fALSO | oki |
| 14:12.17 | jordanm | fALSO: sorry, add libdpkg-perl to that as well |
| 14:12.55 | fALSO | http://pastebin.com/EQYTmyw1 |
| 14:13.26 | jordanm | ,versions dpkg |
| 14:13.28 | judd | dpkg -- etch: 1.13.26; lenny: 1.14.29; lenny-security: 1.14.29; squeeze: 1.15.7.2; sid: 1.15.8.4 |
| 14:13.28 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, judd |
| 14:13.42 | jordanm | fALSO: you manually installed dpkg from sid? |
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| 14:15.09 | TiCPU | aptitude safe-upgrade tries to load mediawiki, where can I find the dependency trying to pull it? I tried moveing all medawiki named files from /var/lib/apt away and it still tries |
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| 14:15.36 | fALSO | hum jordanm problably |
| 14:15.41 | fALSO | how do i downgrade it |
| 14:15.45 | jordanm | TiCPU: aptitude why mediawiki |
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| 14:15.57 | jordanm | fALSO: aptitude -t lenny install dpkg |
| 14:16.56 | stew | wow, i'm suprised dpkg doesn't have a tighter dependency on libc6 |
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| 14:17.50 | jordanm | ,predepends dpkg |
| 14:17.53 | jordanm | ,predepends dpkg --release sid |
| 14:17.53 | TiCPU | jordanm: thanks, finally it seems I just have it in my manually installed programs, the list doesn't seem to remove it from the managed packages |
| 14:17.55 | JyZyXEL | what program could i use to execute commands when i get mail? |
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| 14:18.12 | JyZyXEL | something that doesn't require X |
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| 14:18.14 | fALSO | nah jordanm |
| 14:18.17 | jordanm | TiCPU: what list and what "managed" packages? |
| 14:18.19 | fALSO | still the same version |
| 14:18.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | PhorceP, how much do you know about lvm? |
| 14:18.41 | stew | fALSO: aptitude install dpkg=1.14.29 |
| 14:19.16 | TiCPU | jordanm: to summarise, I started an upgrade from lenny to squeeze and found it would like to upgrade mediawiki, I would like this package not to be managed by apt anymore. I'm trying to remove the package from the database without removing/purging any files |
| 14:19.38 | fALSO | its fixed now |
| 14:19.44 | fALSO | thank you for your help stew and jordanm |
| 14:20.05 | jordanm | TiCPU: I don't see a valid use-scenerio for wanting to do that |
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| 14:20.31 | karme | !hold |
| 14:20.31 | dpkg | it has been said that hold is a status flag that tells the package manager not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package: 'echo <package> hold|dpkg --set-selections'. It is also possible to use aptitude: 'aptitude hold <package>'. Note that the hold flag set using aptitude might be ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager and Synaptic), but aptitude will respect the hold set in the dpkg database. |
| 14:20.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | TiCPU, that's not how this is done... but you can select the package to be held in its current version in aptitude |
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| 14:21.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | TiCPU, which might cause all kind of problems, but even so would what you are thinking of |
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| 14:21.09 | TiCPU | jordanm: I manually modified files in what the package manager wants to replace |
| 14:21.45 | jordanm | TiCPU: typically, you should recompile the package when doing that |
| 14:21.57 | TiCPU | it is a web application |
| 14:22.09 | jordanm | I know what it is |
| 14:22.16 | TiCPU | so I just modified the source file and to upgrade I apply .patch files on it |
| 14:22.54 | jordanm | TiCPU: so you did create a new modified package? |
| 14:22.58 | TiCPU | yes |
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| 14:23.14 | jordanm | TiCPU: aptitude hold package |
| 14:23.27 | TiCPU | hmmm.. I guess the real answer is no, I didn't create a new .deb file for this |
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| 14:24.14 | PhorceP | CutMeOwnThroat: I haven't made any changes to lvm in a long time. I believe this problem was caused by updating, but I am not finding any info on what I have to change to fix it. |
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| 14:26.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | PhorceP, well... "Unknown LVM metadata header" sounds a lot like this to me: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/recovermetadata.html but my knowledge about lvm is quite limited... so perhaps someone else can tell you more on how to check on it |
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| 14:28.33 | PhorceP | CutMeOwnThroat: FYI I have rebooted successfully since this started and all my partitions seem to be mounting and behaving properly outside of the "trying to update" process |
| 14:28.42 | norbert_ | I'm trying to install Debian stable on an Aspire One D250 |
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| 14:29.01 | norbert_ | but it doesn't detect the wired network card; only have wired here... |
| 14:29.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | so where's you / on? |
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| 14:30.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | your* |
| 14:30.04 | megan | How do I know if I can use upstart? |
| 14:30.30 | megan | I think my debian is too old ;( |
| 14:30.58 | norbert_ | is there a Debian netinst for testing? |
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| 14:31.24 | stew | norbert_: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 14:31.35 | stew | judd: versions upstart |
| 14:31.36 | judd | upstart -- sid: 0.6.6-1; squeeze: 0.6.6-1 |
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| 14:31.41 | stew | megan: its in testing but not stable |
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| 14:32.02 | megan | oh |
| 14:32.10 | Zbyshek | any kerberos expert here? Is there way how to change failed login attempts? |
| 14:32.18 | megan | I think I have lenny |
| 14:32.23 | megan | is that a debian? |
| 14:32.34 | stew | megan: yes, that's the current stable |
| 14:32.37 | norbert_ | stew: yeah... bit it doesn't appear to have a netinst? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 14:32.38 | megan | oh :P |
| 14:32.39 | TiCPU | jordanm: finally I did: apt-get autoremove, y, removed the info files for mediawiki, did apt-get remove mediawiki, apt-get install the dependencies, apt-get remove mediawiki and yes |
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| 14:33.06 | megan | and then I added this line: "deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian squeeze main" to my sources |
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| 14:33.13 | norbert_ | stew: sorry nm, found it http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 14:33.15 | the-dude | Zbyshek: are you using pam ? |
| 14:33.16 | megan | is that bad? o_O |
| 14:33.41 | Zbyshek | the-dude: you mean the pam_krb5 module? |
| 14:33.49 | Zbyshek | the-dude: yes |
| 14:34.00 | stew | megan: you should not install packages from one release onto another, in general. |
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| 14:34.22 | megan | oh... because after I put it in there I think it updated some stuff like gcc |
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| 14:35.32 | the-dude | Zbyshek: can't you fine tune that? |
| 14:35.34 | megan | but I can pull upstart onto lenny from the squeeze repository? |
| 14:35.43 | megan | it won't blow up will it?? :O |
| 14:35.59 | stew | well you can't because you are no longer really running lenny |
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| 14:36.30 | megan | neat |
| 14:36.31 | stew | megan: you could backport a package by recompiling it: "/msg dpkg ssb", but you've now started the upgrade process from stable to testing |
| 14:36.44 | Zbyshek | the-dude: I was more about that which you can get by getprinc in kadmin |
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| 14:37.22 | megan | so... The defining characteristic between releases is just the package manager sources? |
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| 14:38.28 | megan | it says: You are about to do something potentially harmful. |
| 14:38.28 | megan | To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!' ?] |
| 14:38.29 | newbie | Hello. I tried to install Debian(testing)with graphical installer with lvm+dm-crypt on all partition. When I reboot, there is a freeze when the passphrase is asked. How to resolve this problem? Other question: is it possible to use reiserfs on the install phase, for all partitions? |
| 14:38.33 | megan | LoL |
| 14:38.46 | stew | megan: uhh, what are you doing? |
| 14:38.57 | megan | apt-get install upstart |
| 14:39.04 | megan | it wants to remove sysvinit |
| 14:39.21 | petern_ | it would |
| 14:39.28 | stew | megan: you should first either reinstall lenny, or finish upgrading to squeeze |
| 14:39.35 | megan | oh |
| 14:39.39 | megan | okay |
| 14:39.43 | cast | megan: a release is a set of packages, yes |
| 14:39.45 | stew | megan: to finish upgrading to squeeze, you should read chapter 4 of the draft of the squeeze release notes |
| 14:39.48 | joltcan | newbie: How to resolve? Maybe you should not used dm-crypt if you don't want to enter a passphraze? |
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| 14:40.02 | megan | I guess I will just go get the netinst for squeeze then :) |
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| 14:40.45 | newbie | joltcan: I want a passphrase, but it is impossible to answer, the screen and keyboard are frozen |
| 14:41.09 | staybb_ | how is the command to see permissons of adirectorie |
| 14:41.11 | megan | does squeeze come with upstart already? |
| 14:41.18 | megan | ls -la |
| 14:41.29 | joltcan | newbie: Oh, sorry. That I don't know about. Maybe it generates something for the encryption? I have no idea |
| 14:41.31 | newbie | I think the problem comes from the partition phase |
| 14:41.37 | jordanm | megan: no. what is this desire for upstart? |
| 14:41.45 | megan | nodejs |
| 14:42.04 | newbie | !partitioning |
| 14:42.04 | dpkg | You can partition your hard drive by breaking it up into one or more pieces, or "partitions". Partition manipulators include <fdisk>, <cfdisk>, sfdisk, <parted> and <gparted>. Also ask about <list partitions>. Linux Partition HOWTO: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Partition/. Linux Partitioning mini-FAQ: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Linux/FAQs/partition.html |
| 14:42.06 | stew | staybb_: ls -ld /path/to/directory |
| 14:42.14 | megan | I need my apps to be daemonized |
| 14:42.32 | stew | staybb_: or "stat /apth/to/directory" |
| 14:42.45 | megan | you know a better way joranm? |
| 14:42.49 | jordanm | megan: and any other sysvinit system cannot do that, why? |
| 14:43.28 | megan | well, if the script dies then upstart will resurrect it |
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| 14:43.54 | jordanm | megan: sounds broken |
| 14:43.54 | megan | plus it daemonizes it for me |
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| 14:44.05 | jordanm | megan: so would any other sysvinit system |
| 14:44.19 | megan | I am just doing what the blogs say :P |
| 14:44.38 | jordanm | what blog? |
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| 14:45.02 | megan | http://kevin.vanzonneveld.net/techblog/article/run_nodejs_as_a_service_on_ubuntu_karmic/ |
| 14:45.41 | megan | I wrote an init.d script that makes a lock file and stuff, but it's not running as a daemon. All I can do is & disown it |
| 14:45.45 | megan | but then it dies with the shell |
| 14:46.08 | megan | and then zombies happen |
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| 14:48.21 | megan | am I making sense? |
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| 14:50.14 | jelly | megan: consider using runit or daemon. |
| 14:50.20 | jelly | judd: info runit |
| 14:50.22 | judd | runit (admin, optional): a UNIX init scheme with service supervision. Version: 2.0.0-1; Size: 107.9k; Installed: 432k |
| 14:50.27 | jelly | judd: info daemon |
| 14:50.29 | judd | daemon (utils, optional): turns other processes into daemons. Version: 0.6.3-1; Size: 97.4k; Installed: 300k |
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| 14:50.41 | megan | neat |
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| 14:52.16 | megan | runit replaces init? o_O |
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| 14:53.00 | jelly | it can but it doesn't have to |
| 14:53.18 | jelly | read the package longer description |
| 14:53.22 | megan | I don't think I want it to. That will mess up all my start up scripts like apache and mongo |
| 14:53.31 | alcy | how can one create a socket file ? |
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| 14:54.04 | jordanm | alcy: using socket()? |
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| 14:56.03 | jelly | alcy: what are you really trying to accomplish? |
| 14:56.40 | alcy | jelly, jordanm: thing is, I have runit as the init scheme on my system, and I have to manually do a start from /etc/init.d/nscd start for the nscd service, so that a socket is made. afterwards I stop it again through /etc/init.d and then runit can take over fine. |
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| 14:56.54 | jelly | haha |
| 14:57.21 | alcy | jelly: its only nscd which behaves this way |
| 14:57.45 | alcy | jelly: all other services (also, except clamav) work just fine with runit |
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| 14:58.11 | syn4pse | hello |
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| 14:59.09 | jelly | alcy: arguably you could put all of that into the run script |
| 14:59.32 | jelly | start, sleep 2, stop, start it for reals |
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| 15:01.09 | alcy | jelly: I don't follow ? |
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| 15:01.26 | jelly | alcy: what does the run script for nscd service look like at present? |
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| 15:01.59 | alcy | jelly: the script worked fine on lenny though |
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| 15:04.19 | alcy | jelly: not my workstation, but think its a simple exec nscd -d 2>&1 |
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| 15:07.05 | jelly | alcy: so, a realy stupid thing to do could be to put /etc/init.d/nscd start; sleep 2; /etc/init.d/nscd stop before the exec |
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| 15:08.55 | alcy | jelly: heh, didn't occur to me ! seriously though, can't I create a socket for it in the run script ? how does init.d/<foo> start exactly create a socket ? |
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| 15:09.42 | Thaxll | Hi, I've a question about apt. Is there a way to install something without removing what is guess ( The following packages will be REMOVED: ) I need to install 2 differents ftp on the same server |
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| 15:11.28 | SuperMiguel | which DE or VM you guys think is best when running debian on a VM? |
| 15:11.46 | abrotman | Desktop Environment? |
| 15:12.05 | abrotman | I think you meant "DE or WM" not "DE or VM" |
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| 15:12.17 | jordanm | Thaxll: you can not install two package which Conflict: or Break: each other |
| 15:12.23 | Thaxll | really? |
| 15:12.30 | SlayerXP | SuperMiguel: I would recommend using the one that suits your needs best. |
| 15:12.48 | Thaxll | There is no way to force install ? |
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| 15:13.23 | abrotman | Thaxll: they would break each other ... |
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| 15:14.20 | Milp_main | Is there any way to optimize apt somehow? It takes quite a while to read the package lists on my 1ghz arm device |
| 15:14.32 | Thaxll | Why would they break? the only problem is it's the same kind of software ( cf ftp server ) |
| 15:15.05 | iman | from where can i change path of synaptic for read local ? |
| 15:15.12 | SuperMiguel | abrotman, ya DE or WM :P |
| 15:15.27 | jordanm | Thaxll: they would both bind to the same port, and perhaps even include some of the same files |
| 15:15.38 | jordanm | SuperMiguel: xfce4 |
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| 15:16.13 | Thaxll | : [ |
| 15:16.38 | maligor | Milp_main, what's the storage attached on?-) |
| 15:17.15 | maligor | It performs quite adequately on my 400mhz arm device, but it has a sata controller |
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| 15:19.00 | Milp_main | maligor: its an ext2 image on an class 10 sdhc card with fat32 on it |
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| 15:19.35 | maligor | Milp_main, ouch, sounds slow |
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| 15:20.07 | Milp_main | maligor: why, what of all that is the bottleneck? |
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| 15:23.05 | maligor | Milp_main, tried benchmarking the block device (the sdhc) |
| 15:23.28 | Milp_main | is there a tool for that in linux? |
| 15:24.18 | maligor | hdparm -t /dev/device |
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| 15:27.46 | alcy | ...so, any advice/links/docs about creating socket files, folks ? |
| 15:29.24 | Milp_main | maligor hm thanks, in which software package is hdparm included? Because the root system of the device where the debian chroot jail is in, does not have it |
| 15:30.09 | Milp_main | or is there another way to benchmark it? |
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| 15:34.06 | sts | hello folks. does anybody know whats the name of the util, used to scan and detect for disks and partitions? someone showed me something like partdetect or diskdetect, but I hardly cannot remember the name. |
| 15:34.32 | jordanm | sts: udev? |
| 15:34.34 | Vroomfondle | there's parted/gparted and fdisk |
| 15:34.45 | sts | jordanm: testdisk :) |
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| 15:35.19 | sts | jordanm: someone just pointed me to the right tool. :) |
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| 15:35.30 | fxiny | how's the ufs write support in sid ? |
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| 15:35.40 | jordanm | !tell sts about cross-post |
| 15:36.17 | sts | eww. i didn't know that. sorry :-// |
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| 15:39.30 | debiantonio | sts: df? |
| 15:39.33 | sts | well, anyways this doesn't seem to help me with my issue. i had a failed disk in one of our servers, and the support guy swapped it with a new one. now the new one is called sde instead of sdd. so is there a way to make sde appear as sdd again, without rebooting? |
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| 15:41.51 | bzed | sts: why would you need that? |
| 15:41.58 | fxiny | no idea , i use fdisk x(pert) mode -> f to fix partition order |
| 15:42.12 | bzed | fxiny: thats a differen tissue |
| 15:42.14 | jordanm | !70 |
| 15:42.14 | dpkg | udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address since version 0.090. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Lenny, Squeeze) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch). If you want the mappings to change, edit the respective file. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" ("udevtrigger" on Etch) or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>. |
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| 15:42.31 | pigdude | what might cause my SSH sessions to not clean up the term properly? |
| 15:42.36 | bzed | sts: if the disk is part of a raidset, you could tell md to use it |
| 15:42.37 | jordanm | sts: you should be using UUIDs, or even better, filesystem lables, instead of device names |
| 15:42.49 | pigdude | never had this issue before but it makes ssh all but unusable |
| 15:43.07 | sts | jordanm: even with md? |
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| 15:43.12 | debiantonio | dpkg: df? |
| 15:43.12 | dpkg | i guess df is used to report filesystem disk space usage. |
| 15:43.14 | pigdude | for instance, <C-R> (to look up old commands in bash): |
| 15:43.15 | fxiny | bzed: yes , that seems like a "disk order" problem |
| 15:43.16 | pigdude | everse-i-search)`':user@host:~$ |
| 15:43.18 | pigdude | er |
| 15:43.24 | pigdude | (reverse-i-search)`':user@host:~$ |
| 15:43.28 | pigdude | note how the prompt isn't cleared |
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| 15:43.35 | jordanm | sts: see 70 storage rules |
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| 15:43.42 | pigdude | and you can just imagine how that issue multiplies in something like vim |
| 15:44.31 | bzed | fxiny: partition != disk |
| 15:45.02 | sts | jordanm: i only got 70_persistent_net.rules |
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| 15:45.15 | bzed | sts: doesn't make much sense for disks anyway. |
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| 15:45.26 | bzed | sts: use labels or uuids, and you don;t need to mess with udev. |
| 15:45.31 | bzed | sts: whats your real problem now??? |
| 15:45.40 | fxiny | bzed: i know , i know , i spent an afternoon googling for ext3/ufs/zfs mounting s* |
| 15:46.01 | sts | bzed: i want to add it back to my md-raid, but i want it to appear as sdd instead of sde again. |
| 15:46.13 | bzed | sts: that doesn't make a difference |
| 15:46.23 | bzed | sts: just remove sdd and add the new disk |
| 15:46.46 | bzed | sts: and then start using uuids in your mdadm.conf |
| 15:47.04 | ScottG | I just ran `crontab -e` and added an entry for root to run something. How was I just able to do this without gaining root privileges? |
| 15:47.10 | sts | bzed: i'm running without an mdadm.conf. |
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| 15:47.20 | bzed | sts: then you don't even need to do anything |
| 15:47.29 | bzed | sts: if you use kernel detection |
| 15:47.53 | sts | bzed: so i'll just add sde to the md-raid? |
| 15:48.02 | bzed | sts: the md will be properly started at the next boot |
| 15:48.16 | jordanm | ScottG: what do you mean exactly? each user can have their own crontab |
| 15:48.23 | sts | bzed: because sde, will appear as sdd after the next reboot, right? |
| 15:48.26 | bzed | sts: yeah, just add sde to the raid device and if sdd is still listed as broken, remove it |
| 15:48.32 | bzed | doesn't matter |
| 15:48.45 | bzed | (unless you have a /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf |
| 15:48.47 | ScottG | jordanm: So then why is there a section for "user" |
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| 15:49.14 | sts | bzed: well, i just wondered, whether there is a way to make it appear as sdd again in the first step. |
| 15:49.15 | pigdude | any ideas? |
| 15:49.30 | pigdude | I've been running this server for a few years and never had this issue until very recently |
| 15:49.35 | jordanm | ScottG: that is only for the system crontabs, /etc/crontab AFAIK |
| 15:50.01 | jordanm | "Each user has their own crontab, and commands in any given crontab will be exeâ cuted as the user who owns the crontab. |
| 15:50.01 | bzed | ScottG: just run crontab -e as user? |
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| 15:50.25 | fxiny | jordanm: and that's "far" enough ;) |
| 15:51.17 | jordanm | ScottG: in man 5 crontab there is a seperate example for user crontabs and system crontabs\ |
| 15:51.31 | bzed | sts: if you use md autodetection or a mdadm.conf with uuids, it doesn't even matter how your disks are labeled, the kernel will find them :) |
| 15:51.38 | jordanm | ScottG: the system crontabs include a user field whereas the user's crontab does not |
| 15:52.07 | ScottG | jordanm: So why are entries for root showing up in my crontab when I type crontab -e? |
| 15:52.55 | jordanm | ScottG: what do you mean "for root"? |
| 15:53.10 | jordanm | ScottG: you added them as root in root's crontab and they also appear in the user's crontab? |
| 15:53.15 | ScottG | jordanm: I mean I see an entry like this |
| 15:53.18 | ScottG | jordanm: 47 6 * * 7 root test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.weekly ) |
| 15:53.30 | ScottG | No, that was added automatically |
| 15:53.35 | jordanm | ScottG: that looks like /etc/crontab |
| 15:53.43 | ScottG | It is. |
| 15:53.55 | jordanm | ScottG: that is not the same file that is edited with crontab -e |
| 15:54.09 | ScottG | jordanm: Then why is it showing up when I type crontab -e? |
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| 15:54.29 | stew | ScottG: because it is in /var/spool/cron/crontabs/$username |
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| 15:55.06 | ScottG | stew: And if it is suppose to be for JUST my username why are there entries regarding the root user in there? |
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| 16:03.40 | jelly | ScottG: with "crontab -e" run as user foo? |
| 16:03.56 | ScottG | jelly: Yes, just run normally by my user |
| 16:04.05 | jelly | ScottG: someone added them there |
| 16:05.51 | ScottG | jelly: So if I put a entry in MY crontab with the user "root" it's basically just going to fail? |
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| 16:06.24 | fxiny | ScottG: check as root: #less /var/spool/cron/crontabs/<yourcron> for installed time |
| 16:06.37 | jelly | ScottG: there is no "user" column in a user's crontab syntax, right. Just * * * * * command |
| 16:06.43 | gc | on sid I just installed, /usr/bin/ruby is a symlink to /usr/bin/ruby1.8; what is the clean way to pick ruby 1.9.1 instead? |
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| 16:07.02 | ScottG | jelly: Yea that is what I thought until I saw this: |
| 16:07.04 | ScottG | jelly: # m h dom mon dow user command |
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| 16:07.15 | jelly | ScottG: someone put that there. |
| 16:07.15 | ScottG | jelly: There IS a user column |
| 16:07.30 | stew | ScottG: there isn't, there is a bogus comment your crontab |
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| 16:08.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | there is one in roots crontab, though, iirc |
| 16:08.37 | jelly | ScottG: it sounds as if someone added at least some of the contents of /etc/crontab or some /etc/cron.d/* file into your user crontab. They use different syntax. |
| 16:08.40 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: nope. |
| 16:08.58 | ScottG | stew: Maybe I should run a sudo aptitude purge cron anacron, then reinstall them? |
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| 16:09.11 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: syntax for root's "crontab -e" is exactly the same, no user column. HOWEVER /etc/crontab is different. |
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| 16:09.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, right... that's the one I had in mind :) |
| 16:09.30 | ScottG | jelly: Ok this is my laptop and I am the only user. Stop saying someone...it's me or noone and I never did that |
| 16:09.54 | ScottG | jelly: So /etc/crontab DOES have a user column? |
| 16:09.56 | pigdude | did anyone hear my issue? it is an issue |
| 16:10.27 | jelly | ScottG: yes. |
| 16:10.36 | ScottG | Alright, less confused now |
| 16:10.38 | fxiny | easy to know who added it and when |
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| 16:11.08 | jelly | ScottG: relevant man pages crontab(8), crontab(5) should prove instructive |
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| 16:11.22 | nickaugust | how come you cant do an octal dump on a directory anymore? 'od -c .' |
| 16:11.54 | jelly | ScottG: sorry, cron(8) and crontab(5). So man 5 crontab, man 8 cron |
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| 16:13.18 | jelly | ScottG: which debian release is this, btw? |
| 16:13.41 | ScottG | squeeze |
| 16:13.42 | alcy | jelly: a simple mkdir /var/run/nscd works for the run script ? |
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| 16:14.30 | fxiny | nickaugust: stat -c %a |
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| 16:14.58 | nickaugust | fxiny: missing opperand |
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| 16:15.21 | jelly | alcy: that's not a socket, that's a directory! |
| 16:15.27 | stew | nickaugust: add directory name to the end |
| 16:16.00 | nickaugust | stew: fxiny: 755.... ? |
| 16:16.22 | pigdude | is a sad pig |
| 16:16.40 | alcy | jelly: so, making the directory allowed the run script to create a socket file ? meh, asking this sounds embarassing, but haven't got a clue |
| 16:16.43 | fxiny | nickaugust: all formats in man stat |
| 16:17.01 | nickaugust | fxiny: ah, ok ill check that out. thanks |
| 16:17.10 | fxiny | nickaugust: np |
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| 16:21.45 | sts | bzed: hmmm ... echo 1 > /sys/block/sd#/device/delete ; echo "- - -" > /sys/class/scsi_host/host3/scan ... that did it. removing sde and scanning for 'new' disks again. |
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| 16:22.58 | sts | bzed: btw. here is a nice presentation about sysfs/scsi: http://ukuug.org/events/spring2009/programme/lvm-sysfs-me.pdf |
| 16:23.25 | nickaugust | fxiny: stat does provide some interesting information but what im looking for is to see the data in the directory file |
| 16:27.21 | fxiny | nickaugust: stat -c "%a %n" dir/* |
| 16:27.37 | pigdude | what tactics might I employ to get even a response? |
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| 16:31.17 | jelly | alcy: I have no idea what your actual problem is. It might be you just need to copy some stuff from the init script (ie. that mkdir and possibly some chown/chmod) |
| 16:33.34 | fxiny | nickaugust: ahhh you want vim dir ? say again |
| 16:36.13 | nickaugust | fxiny: heheh... ok so 'od' will do an octal dump of the contents of a file. if i do 'od -cb' will show each byte in a file and the corrisponding octal values. its my understanding that directories are acutally files on disk but you cant directly read or write to them |
| 16:37.15 | nickaugust | fxiny: i have an old unix manual here where they are doing octal dumps of the actual directory file |
| 16:37.44 | nickaugust | fxiny: just wondering if I can do that to see what they look like |
| 16:37.51 | fxiny | nickaugust: yes ? i like old stuff , not using lde since long time |
| 16:38.10 | fxiny | nickaugust: why octal ? |
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| 16:38.37 | nickaugust | fxiny: i dont care about the octal i just want to see what bytes are actually in the directory file |
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| 16:40.28 | pigdude | ok, well thanks for the nothelp |
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| 16:40.38 | nickaugust | pigdude: whats the question? |
| 16:40.39 | pigdude | I guess I'll be on my way |
| 16:40.48 | pigdude | nickaugust: ssh TERM goes bonkers |
| 16:40.55 | pigdude | nickaugust: doesn't clean itself up |
| 16:41.02 | azm | Hi.Im getting errors while installing Debian 5 like 'debootstrap warning cdrom/pool/main/g/glibc/' |
| 16:41.05 | ScottG | lol stop acting like a child that needs attention. bonkers? Can you be more specific? |
| 16:41.11 | pigdude | nickaugust: so <C-R> in bash produces (reverse-i-search)`':user@host:~$ |
| 16:41.13 | azm | and install process fails |
| 16:41.25 | azm | can someone help to fix it? |
| 16:41.26 | pigdude | ScottG: I already explained the issue and I was elaborating, please don't call me a child |
| 16:41.38 | pigdude | ScottG: I had no response in over an hour in a busy room |
| 16:42.02 | azm | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:42.15 | nickaugust | pigdude: so you are trying to ssh to or from the debian box? |
| 16:42.21 | ScottG | pigdude: Ask again. You need to be persistent. People don't see questions asked over an hour ago much less 20 minutes when it's busy |
| 16:42.29 | pigdude | nickaugust: ssh'ing to the debian 5.x box |
| 16:42.38 | pigdude | nickaugust: never had this issue over a few years of running the machine |
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| 16:43.02 | pigdude | nickaugust: TERM is normal 'xterm-color' |
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| 16:43.26 | pigdude | ScottG: will keep that in mind |
| 16:44.06 | ScottG | pigdude: It's what I have found from personal experience. You need to find the correct interval so that people don't yell at you for asking too many times but also keep your question fresh :) |
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| 16:45.00 | pigdude | refines rhythm |
| 16:45.07 | jimcooncat | ScottG: I guess that doesn't work for the question, "When will Squeeze be out?" |
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| 16:45.38 | ScottG | jimcooncat: That's what Google is for! |
| 16:45.39 | fxiny | nickaugust: oh that's interesting , you think is possible stuffing a dir with "extra" data ? |
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| 16:45.49 | nickaugust | pigdude: if it was me id assume it was a problem on the client side to begin with. have you tried using a different terminal program? or sshing from a differnt computer? |
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| 16:46.37 | pigdude | nickaugust: yea, I have this issue coming from two machines. I can try a third that is not a mac, but this issue has never arisen before and I have absolutely no reason to believe that Terminal.app is somehow flawed |
| 16:46.40 | jimcooncat | 1st hit on google: ... to be released in summer 2010 |
| 16:46.44 | fxiny | pigdude: utf8 ? |
| 16:46.55 | jordanm | !wwsr |
| 16:46.55 | dpkg | Squeeze is now frozen and will release <WIR>, <SIYH>. See http://lists.debian.org/20100806134418.GC9183@halon.org.uk and http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2010/msg00009.html. Ask me about <squeeze bet>. |
| 16:46.55 | pigdude | fxiny: I'm not sure what you mean |
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| 16:47.25 | pigdude | same issue ssh'ing froma debian box |
| 16:47.32 | fxiny | pigdude: is it a bad characters display problem ? |
| 16:47.35 | pigdude | but in the end I'm viewing the session from terminal.app |
| 16:47.41 | pigdude | fxiny: I'm not sure how I'd check that |
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| 16:47.54 | pigdude | fxiny: it doesn't seem to have anything to do with the charset |
| 16:48.02 | nickaugust | fxiny: heh.. i dont think the kernel will allow that :) i'm just reading about the inodes.. thought it would be interesting to see the actual contents of a directory file |
| 16:48.05 | pigdude | fxiny: rather the term doesn't clean anything up |
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| 16:48.36 | nickaugust | pigdude: first think id do is download a different term... rxvt maybe |
| 16:48.45 | pigdude | on the server nickaugust? |
| 16:48.57 | nickaugust | pigdude: client |
| 16:49.15 | nickaugust | pigdude: the server side is just the ssh sever |
| 16:49.18 | pigdude | nickaugust: the issue manifests itself on this server alone |
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| 16:49.50 | fxiny | nickaugust: the kernel ? inode ? i was googling all day and i found the ext3 inode size change from 128 to 256 on my way (read ufs) |
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| 16:50.05 | pigdude | nevertheless I am now building rxvt on the mac |
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| 16:50.24 | fxiny | i don't like ext3 and all the stuff in it like dir_index |
| 16:51.11 | pigdude | nickaugust: I've got it, now what do I do with it? |
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| 16:51.36 | fxiny | pigdude: trying to remember the clearing command |
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| 16:51.42 | Desph | how can i update GCC to 4.4.1 or higher on debian? default is 4.3.2 |
| 16:52.09 | pigdude | the issue manifests itself in vim, etc. anything that attempts what I would describe as a 'redraw' |
| 16:52.12 | stew | Desph: aptitude install gcc-4.4 will create /usr/bin/gcc-4.4 |
| 16:52.19 | nickaugust | pigdude: so the problem is when you ssh from the mac to the debian server? or from the debian server to itself? |
| 16:52.31 | pigdude | nickaugust: well ultimately I am viewing from Terminal.app |
| 16:52.47 | pigdude | nickaugust: the issue is the same whether I am using the local SSH client, or an intermediate one on another debian box |
| 16:52.50 | Desph | stew: it can't find "gcc-4.4" |
| 16:52.56 | pigdude | nickaugust: all other servers I SSH to behave normally |
| 16:53.01 | stew | judd: versions gcc-4.4 |
| 16:53.02 | judd | gcc-4.4 -- squeeze: 4.4.4-8; sid: 4.4.4-9 |
| 16:53.10 | Desph | aah ok |
| 16:53.37 | nickaugust | pigdude: so if you ssh from the debian box to itself it still has the issues? |
| 16:53.45 | Desph | stew: err no luck |
| 16:54.08 | stew | Desph: you are probably running stable. i'm not sure what to recommend to you in that case |
| 16:54.11 | pigdude | nickaugust: no if I go mac -> random deb box -> trouble box |
| 16:54.23 | Desph | stew, how can i use "non-stable" for this update then |
| 16:54.52 | nickaugust | fxiny: the inode is where the permissions and file info are held |
| 16:54.59 | jhutchins_lt | pigdude: Um, this is always with a double-relay? Three machines? |
| 16:55.03 | stew | Desph: you could upgrade everything on the box to testing, but I'd not recommend that if it a mission critical box |
| 16:55.10 | jordanm | !tell Desph about ssb |
| 16:55.20 | stew | jordanm: a simple sid backport of gcc? |
| 16:55.20 | jhutchins_lt | pigdude: what about mac -> trouble box? |
| 16:55.21 | nickaugust | pigdude: but mac -> trouble box works fine? |
| 16:55.23 | jordanm | Desph: you could attempt to backport it, but could turn out badly for something like gcc |
| 16:55.28 | pigdude | jhutchins_lt: yes, that is the original problem |
| 16:55.33 | pigdude | nickaugust: no, that is the original problem |
| 16:55.36 | jordanm | stew: yes... with a disclaimer warning |
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| 16:55.57 | nickaugust | pigdude: you really should have summarized the problem better. write exactly what you are doing and what the problem is. |
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| 16:56.21 | Desph | err |
| 16:56.24 | jhutchins_lt | pigdude: So we are having trouble with mac's xterm handling screen capture/redraw with programs like vi and mc, correct? |
| 16:56.33 | jordanm | stew: if it keeps it seperate from the default gcc, I could see it working out |
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| 16:57.19 | W8TVI | has anyone successfully gotten ipv6 to work on debian lenny and stay working? |
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| 16:57.45 | W8TVI | it seems like the more I work with it, the more broken it gets. |
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| 16:58.08 | W8TVI | and it seems like it won't forget old settings |
| 16:58.13 | jhutchins_lt | W8TVI: Depends on what you mean by "work". Lots of people use it without any problems, but it depends on what you're trying to do and the environment you're in. ipv6 does not exist as a global protocol on the internet. |
| 16:58.32 | jhutchins_lt | W8TVI: Dude, ipv6 is a protocol, not an application. |
| 16:58.43 | W8TVI | I'm using an he.net tunnel. |
| 16:59.20 | MacGyverNL | CutMeOwnThroat: I don't "like" that page either, I was reading it amongst some other resources I wanted to read on netfilter, but that line in the script caught my attention. Main question is, I guess, if accepting invalid packets is a security risk. |
| 16:59.34 | MacGyverNL | (Sorry about the laaaate reply, had to go in a hurry.) |
| 16:59.49 | W8TVI | jhutchins: I used the settings listed here: http://www.debian-administration.org/article/655/Running_IPv6_in_practice |
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| 16:59.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | MacGyverNL, doesn't seem to do what the comment says it does |
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| 17:00.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | not sure if that can be a security risk - the question is: for what |
| 17:00.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | or what would it address? |
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| 17:01.20 | W8TVI | when I do ifup he-ipv6 it also brings up sit0 and sit1, and assigns the same client ipv6 address to both sit1 and he-ipv6 |
| 17:01.20 | MacGyverNL | I wouldn't know, that's why I came here for insights. Any thoughts on why someone might've changed that in the wiki? Because dropping them somehow breaks functionality, or for opening an attack vector on unsuspecting people who just mindlessly copy that script? |
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| 17:01.50 | W8TVI | also, it gives it two default routes, both leading to he-ipv6 and sit1 |
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| 17:02.28 | fubada | hi, any issues with using backports |
| 17:02.38 | fubada | I see lenny has nagios 3.0, while backports has 3.2 |
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| 17:02.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | MacGyverNL, could be either :) |
| 17:03.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | sorry :)) |
| 17:04.19 | W8TVI | so I flushed the routing table for ipv6, tried to use commands that he.net gives you to setup the tunnel. that doesn't even work now. I cant even ping an internal ipv6 address (one on the same box!) |
| 17:04.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | MacGyverNL, check the history of the wiki page and see who did the changes and what comment he left? I started doing that, but got side-tracked and don't have the time now |
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| 17:05.17 | pigdude | jhutchins_lt: yea, sorry, I have to go for the next hour or two...but I will explain the problem in great detail as soon as I return |
| 17:05.27 | pigdude | jhutchins_lt: it is a redraw issue it seems |
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| 17:07.13 | W8TVI | is there anywhere that debian caches information about its network interfaces that would cause them to reuse old configuration information instead or in addition to what I'm telling it to do? |
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| 17:08.52 | jhutchins_lt | W8TVI: Let me guess, you're on a VM. |
| 17:09.19 | W8TVI | jhutchins_lt: nope. bare metal. |
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| 17:10.40 | W8TVI | ok, this is interesting... /etc/network/if-up.d has a file called ipv6 that has my settings for my tunnel in it. |
| 17:10.47 | W8TVI | I don't remember making that file. |
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| 17:14.09 | pigdude | jhutchins_lt: so, what appears to trigger the issue is anything that requires the replacement of some characters on screen. this encompasses browsing bash history, just about any vim usage, and a host of other tasks |
| 17:14.40 | MacGyverNL | <CutMeOwnThroat> MacGyverNL, check the history of the wiki page <-- I wouldn't know how, couldn't find a history-section for that specific page. The Debian wiki-format is alien to me. |
| 17:15.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | MacGyverNL, ha, yes, I had to search a bit, too |
| 17:15.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | what was the url? |
| 17:15.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's there, though! |
| 17:15.17 | MacGyverNL | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianFirewall |
| 17:15.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you just click around a bit on likely looking stuff...# |
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| 17:15.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | "Info" |
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| 17:16.01 | W8TVI | I think I need to reboot. |
| 17:16.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianFirewall?action=info |
| 17:16.05 | MacGyverNL | What a weird place to put the history. |
| 17:16.11 | MacGyverNL | But okay, found it :) |
| 17:16.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | MacGyverNL, I got as far as to see that all of this was added within the last 30-50 edits or so |
| 17:16.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | but not as far as to see if someone changed "DROP" to "ACCEPT" in a separate edit |
| 17:18.37 | MacGyverNL | Looks like it was in the 25 -> 26 edit, by PoisonBit. |
| 17:18.45 | fxiny | ahhhh |
| 17:18.49 | fxiny | famous one |
| 17:18.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | MacGyverNL, what would really rock would be a feature in the damn wikimedia software to grep all revisions for a certain string and see if it was present or not |
| 17:18.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | fxiny, he is? |
| 17:19.05 | fxiny | CutMeOwnThroat: yes it is |
| 17:19.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | it? |
| 17:19.28 | MacGyverNL | And indeed, it was put in there without changing drop to accept, it's been accept since that script was put in. |
| 17:19.59 | MacGyverNL | fxiny: "Famous" in what way? |
| 17:20.00 | bzed | sts: yeah I know that stuff, but why extra work if it doesn't make a difference at all? when you work with SANs you get used to the fact to have sdcz at one point |
| 17:20.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | rite |
| 17:20.12 | fxiny | CutMeOwnThroat: i'm coming |
| 17:20.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
| 17:20.34 | bzed | sts: and rescanning devices does not work properly with every controller |
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| 17:21.04 | zeus | hi! |
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| 17:21.34 | fxiny | CutMeOwnThroat: is the "debian apocalypsis" author |
| 17:21.42 | zeus | I would love that some debian maintainer start to maintain the package for matrixssl http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=544057 the current maintainer it's looking for help and we're stuck on version 1.8.8 and the latest stable version it's 3.1.2 |
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| 17:24.05 | jordanm | zeus: what is stopping you from doing it? |
| 17:24.23 | zeus | jordanm: I'm not a debian maintainer =) |
| 17:24.34 | abrotman | zeus: you can still maintain that package |
| 17:24.36 | jelly | zeus: why not become one! |
| 17:24.37 | jordanm | zeus: thats not a requirement for adopting a package, only for uploading |
| 17:24.52 | zeus | jordanm: I just can build my own package :/ |
| 17:24.58 | fxiny | MacGyverNL: "Upcoming lenny point release" debian-security mlist thread |
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| 17:25.04 | zeus | jordanm: really? can I build a package and send it to someone to upload it ? |
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| 17:25.05 | jordanm | and thats an RFA (request for adoption), not an RFH (request for help) |
| 17:25.17 | jelly | zeus: you'd deprieve the debian community of yout time and experience? |
| 17:25.23 | abrotman | zeus: you would build the package and find a mentor to upload it for you .. |
| 17:25.25 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 17:25.25 | dpkg | somebody said mentors was the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. |
| 17:25.30 | jordanm | zeus: yes, its called a RFS (request for sponsership) |
| 17:25.35 | jordanm | !tell zeus about nmg |
| 17:25.37 | abrotman | sponsorship |
| 17:26.12 | jordanm | grammar nazi! |
| 17:26.29 | zeus | cool, then I just have to build the package with good practices and ask for a menter |
| 17:26.31 | zeus | mentor |
| 17:26.48 | mentor | sidles away |
| 17:26.51 | cahoot | where is nolisten tcp set nowadays? |
| 17:27.06 | zeus | jordanm, abrotman thanks guys =) |
| 17:27.07 | cahoot | (for xorg) |
| 17:27.12 | jordanm | zeus: you should note that you are too late for the squeeze release, and many devs might be busy working on the release |
| 17:27.53 | zeus | jordanm: that's not a problem at all I'm happy while people has the new version of matrixssl since I'm writting a plugin for monkey project to give ssl support |
| 17:28.12 | W8TVI | well, deleting that file made ipv6 start working again on the server |
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| 17:29.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | fxiny, read it, can't say I see what he's ranting about |
| 17:29.09 | jhutchins | W8TVI: Sounds more like it made your tunnel work. |
| 17:29.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well |
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| 17:29.27 | W8TVI | and just editing my ip6tables script seems to brought back the boxes behind the router's ipv6 connectivity |
| 17:29.43 | W8TVI | yep. all is working now. |
| 17:29.48 | fxiny | CutMeOwnThroat: only one thing is clear : he likes perl and hates python |
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| 17:30.16 | W8TVI | jhutchins: SOMETHING created that file with the wrong info for my tunnel and that kept screwing things up. |
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| 17:31.08 | MacGyverNL | fxiny: I just read that mailing list thread, was that actually aimed at me? Because I don't see the relation to that wiki page / script / PoisonBit. |
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| 17:31.47 | fxiny | MacGyverNL: at you ? nahh , is about poisonbit |
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| 17:32.44 | fxiny | it appears posionBit don't like something and speaks he's mind |
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| 17:32.56 | fxiny | it doesn't matter how |
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| 17:35.01 | Uiri | uh, hey. I burned debain-testing-i386-CD-1.iso onto a CD and installed it on a laptop but couldn't get the networking to work. So I installed it anyways without a network and now, I've moved the laptop to an ethernet connection (normally it is wireless) and I've gotten the connection but I need to know what to put in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:35.24 | MacGyverNL | fxiny: Oh, right, I might've been reading the wrong "upcoming point release" thread -- there's more of 'm. |
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| 17:36.08 | jhutchins | !tell Uiri about sources |
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| 17:36.23 | W8TVI | jhutchins: thanks for trying to help anyway |
| 17:36.29 | jordanm | Uiri: /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 17:36.30 | jhutchins | !tell Uiri about wifi |
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| 17:37.03 | MacGyverNL | fxiny: Indeed, found the right thread this time 'round. |
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| 17:38.52 | fxiny | MacGyverNL: too much blood in that thread , i read his blog , he's an old debian user |
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| 17:41.10 | Uiri | uh, aren't those sources for stable though� Does testing use them too then? |
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| 17:41.22 | abrotman | Uiri: where are you geographically ? |
| 17:41.27 | Uiri | canada |
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| 17:41.40 | abrotman | less vague? :) |
| 17:41.51 | Uiri | Ontario |
| 17:41.53 | Uiri | Toronto |
| 17:42.01 | abrotman | moment |
| 17:42.49 | abrotman | Uiri: "deb http://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/debian/ squeeze main" .. add that to your sources.list .. then aptitude update, have fun! |
| 17:43.08 | Uiri | thanks |
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| 17:49.35 | xbob | hi guys, how can I force installation of a package. I tried apt-get remove, remove --purge, install, install --reinstall, -f install. All fail because I removed one file myself in the begining |
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| 17:51.54 | jordanm | xbob: what file? what is the error? |
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| 17:53.35 | xbob | files = pop3d.ssl and impad.ssl |
| 17:53.56 | jordanm | ,file pop3d.ssl |
| 17:53.59 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
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| 17:54.04 | jordanm | ,file pop3d.ssl --release sid |
| 17:54.07 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 17:54.10 | xbob | Removing courier-imap-ssl ... |
| 17:54.10 | xbob | ERR: config file missing |
| 17:54.27 | jordanm | xbob: what version of debian? |
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| 17:54.34 | xbob | stable |
| 17:54.41 | Rajko | why is mdns udp and udp6 running on my debian ? |
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| 17:55.51 | jordanm | !confmiss |
| 17:55.51 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 17:56.09 | jordanm | xbob: assuming you meant /etc/courier/pop3d-ssl |
| 17:56.15 | fxiny | Rajko: a recommended package ? |
| 17:56.38 | xbob | jordanm, yes |
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| 17:57.22 | jordanm | Rajko: those are protocols, not the sames of commands or daemons |
| 17:57.27 | jordanm | s/sames/names/ |
| 17:57.32 | Rajko | why is it listening |
| 17:58.04 | jordanm | Rajko: show us an example of the output you are trying to figure out |
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| 17:58.12 | jordanm | don't keep us guessing what you mean :) |
| 17:58.22 | Rajko | why is this here |
| 17:58.23 | Rajko | udp 0 0 *:mdns *:* |
| 17:58.23 | Rajko | udp 0 0 *:47190 *:* |
| 17:58.23 | Rajko | udp6 0 0 [::]:mdns [::]:* |
| 17:58.23 | Rajko | udp6 0 0 [::]:51385 [::]:* |
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| 17:58.41 | jordanm | !paste |
| 17:58.41 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 17:58.47 | wpgguy | greetings, just installed Debian testing from a usb key, and all seemed to go well. But upon reboot I'm faced with a black screen, blinking cursor, almost as if Grub failed to install properly |
| 17:58.51 | Rajko | <Rajko> udp 0 0 *:mdns *:* |
| 17:58.51 | Rajko | <Rajko> udp 0 0 *:47190 *:* |
| 17:58.51 | Rajko | <Rajko> udp6 0 0 [::]:mdns [::]:* |
| 17:58.51 | Rajko | <Rajko> udp6 0 0 [::]:51385 [::]:* |
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| 17:59.00 | wpgguy | Looking for ideas on how to continue, it's my second install with the same result. |
| 17:59.07 | Rajko | <Rajko> udp 0 0 *:mdns *:* |
| 17:59.08 | Rajko | <Rajko> udp6 0 0 [::]:mdns [::]:* |
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| 17:59.10 | jordanm | Rajko: stop pasting to the channe, |
| 17:59.19 | Rajko | why are those there |
| 17:59.20 | jordanm | !tell Rajko about paste |
| 18:00.05 | jordanm | Rajko: pastebin (*using a pastebin service*): netstat -lnap |
| 18:00.18 | Stercus | mdns |
| 18:00.38 | Stercus | dns is udp unless you do a zone transfer, then it is tcp |
| 18:00.53 | Rajko | i didnt insall anything mdns |
| 18:00.58 | Rajko | it appeared yesterday or the day before that |
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| 18:01.04 | jimcooncat | perhaps avahi? |
| 18:01.04 | Stercus | you have one for ip4 and ip6 |
| 18:01.11 | jordanm | Rajko: most likely avahi, but pastebin to be sure |
| 18:01.15 | fxiny | is a recommended package |
| 18:01.16 | [-TuMBa-] | saluton |
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| 18:01.20 | jordanm | Rajko: the -p option shows the process listening |
| 18:01.28 | Rajko | not for listening |
| 18:01.31 | Rajko | just for sockets |
| 18:01.37 | wpgguy | I tried suing the windows version of unetbootin, selecting Debian Testing netinst, and I've also tried universal installer, using business card iso for testing. |
| 18:01.46 | wpgguy | using*, not ready to sue yet |
| 18:01.59 | jelly-home | wpgguy: phew |
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| 18:02.14 | jordanm | wpgguy: I recall a bug where it writes to the MBR of the usb stick instead of the hard drive |
| 18:02.20 | jordanm | !tell wpgguy about reinstall grub |
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| 18:03.33 | wpgguy | jordan I'll try again and manually specify /dev/sda when grub installs, though I saw it installing to that dev when letting it do it automagically, also, tried the grub super disc which was unable to boot anything. Pehaps it's not yet compatible with grub3 |
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| 18:04.03 | wpgguy | grub2*, grub3 is not going to be released until the next duke nukem game is ready |
| 18:04.32 | jelly-home | wpgguy: grub2 isn't going to be released soon either |
| 18:04.33 | Stercus | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:04.43 | Rajko | no |
| 18:04.43 | jelly-home | see what happened to grub 1 |
| 18:04.53 | jordanm | Rajko: are you going to provide that pastebin?? |
| 18:04.53 | Stercus | obviously that isnt true |
| 18:05.32 | Rajko | http://codepad.org/mzmeFMnM |
| 18:05.33 | jelly-home | Rajko: netstat -tupan -- ser for yourself |
| 18:05.36 | Rajko | i dont like things bound to * |
| 18:05.36 | jelly-home | see, even |
| 18:05.52 | Rajko | it doesnt show process names |
| 18:05.54 | jelly-home | Rajko: run it as root. |
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| 18:05.59 | Rajko | i am root. |
| 18:06.15 | jelly-home | Rajko: is this a real machine or some kind of vps? |
| 18:06.15 | pallgone | is root too |
| 18:06.23 | fxiny | is wheel |
| 18:06.24 | Rajko | vps |
| 18:06.43 | Stercus | is UID 0 |
| 18:06.46 | jelly-home | Rajko: eh, then your root doesn't really have all the privileges needed |
| 18:06.51 | Rajko | never seen mdns running ever before |
| 18:07.12 | Rajko | ive had it shown process names before |
| 18:07.20 | Rajko | with tunap |
| 18:07.38 | jelly-home | Rajko: either it wasn't on the same setup, or you aren't root |
| 18:07.47 | fxiny | Rajko: lemme guess , never before the 4th of august ? |
| 18:08.03 | Rajko | huh |
| 18:08.03 | jordanm | jelly-home: I don't think root will show the LISTEN sockets at all |
| 18:08.07 | jordanm | err non-root |
| 18:08.16 | jelly-home | jordanm: it will |
| 18:08.29 | Stercus | BOFH excuse 2367: Sunspots |
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| 18:08.46 | wpgguy | I'm going to try a third time, this time selecting hd_media net inst, instead of just testing netinst using unetbootin. I'l also manually specify device when it comes time to do grub |
| 18:08.52 | Rajko | 4 august ? |
| 18:08.57 | jelly-home | Rajko: it's the avahi-daemon service anyway. You probably don't need it. |
| 18:09.38 | jelly-home | Rajko: you can stop it, disable it from starting in runlevel 2, and remove any mention of mdns from /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 18:09.50 | jelly-home | fuck avahi. |
| 18:09.51 | jordanm | jelly-home: you are right, just ommits the proccess like with the pastebin from Rajko |
| 18:10.01 | jelly-home | jordanm: I know. |
| 18:10.16 | fxiny | Rajko: 4 august : The following packages are RECOMMENDED but will NOT be installed: libnss-mdns |
| 18:10.23 | jelly-home | points jordanm to the TIAS writing on the wall |
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| 18:10.59 | Rajko | i removed that package |
| 18:11.01 | Rajko | still runing |
| 18:11.04 | Rajko | listening |
| 18:11.07 | Rajko | mocking |
| 18:11.10 | jordanm | !enter |
| 18:11.10 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 18:11.21 | Stercus | heh |
| 18:11.31 | wpgguy | hmm... that image just failed. Ok... whats a reliable way to install testing from the netinst disk, when using windows? It's going on a netbook, so cd is out |
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| 18:11.50 | redshirtlinux | Hello all. I recently start a new job. The person before me didn't believe in security patches and they did a lot of custom web programming. I upgraded on of the boxes from Etch to Lenny and it has now broken a critical module on the web site. This module makes heavy use of the php-java-bridge. Do anyone know a way that perhaps I can get this box back to Etch even though it is in the archive? Or better yet how I might fix this php-java-bridge is |
| 18:12.22 | jordanm | redshirtlinux: restore from your backup |
| 18:12.33 | jelly-home | redshirtlinux: you got cut off at "might fix this php-java-bridge i[cut]" |
| 18:12.42 | jordanm | redshirtlinux: and *never* upgrade a production server running custom software to a new release before *testing* first |
| 18:13.15 | jelly-home | jordanm: the person after the person before redshirtlinux didn't believe in testing. |
| 18:13.59 | redshirtlinux | jordam: no way to test... I can't even seem to get this custom pile of junk to work in a vm |
| 18:14.11 | jelly-home | jordanm: if they didn't believe in backups, they're going to have fun time. I'd say $100/hr fun. |
| 18:14.21 | jordanm | redshirtlinux: restore the server backup onto different hardware |
| 18:14.33 | jordanm | underbids jelly at $75/hr |
| 18:14.47 | jhutchins_lt | On a query for documentation on the current state of bluez: bluez3 is deprecated and we don't care that the wiki's down, for bluez4 read the source tree. |
| 18:15.07 | jelly-home | jordanm: yeah, feel free to downgrade java and php stuff to etch for $75, I sure won't ;-) |
| 18:15.15 | jordanm | redshirtlinux: if you couldn't replicate the servers behavior in a VM, what made you think that the upgrade would go well? |
| 18:15.18 | jordanm | jelly-home: hehe |
| 18:16.08 | redshirtlinux | jordanm: Guess I will have to pull from the USB drive that I tared the file system up on last night. |
| 18:16.30 | jordanm | redshirtlinux: is that the only backup? |
| 18:16.42 | linis | what is the location of apache in debian?? i mean the httpd. |
| 18:17.11 | Stercus | linis: find / -name httpd |
| 18:17.12 | jhutchins_lt | linis: dpkg -L apache2 or aptitude install slocate && updatedb && locate apache2 |
| 18:17.41 | jelly-home | linis: why do you ask? /usr/sbin/apache (it's not "httpd"). Read /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/README.Debian* |
| 18:18.00 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: it's not in apache2. |
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| 18:18.11 | redshirtlinux | jordanm: No its not the only backup. I came here on the off chance that someone might know more about the php-java-bridge module than I |
| 18:18.19 | hydra | "whereis apache2" whereis httpd should work |
| 18:18.30 | linis | i tried installing vtiger and it was asking for the apache dir. i gave /etc/apache2 and it did not work |
| 18:18.51 | hydra | redshirtlinux: what it's actually crashing ? |
| 18:18.52 | hydra | error msg |
| 18:18.53 | hydra | or something |
| 18:18.59 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: shall we add dpkg -l apache* at the beginning then? |
| 18:19.03 | jelly-home | linis: what does it need the "apache dir" for? |
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| 18:19.52 | linis | to configure the crm, the example given there was '/etc/httpd' |
| 18:19.56 | jelly-home | linis: my apologies. /usr/sbin/apache2, and that will be a symlink to the real binary, depending on which worker model package is installed |
| 18:20.17 | jelly-home | linis: does this vtiger thing support debian? |
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| 18:20.34 | linis | ya, there is an installation manual for debian |
| 18:21.03 | jelly-home | linis: if it has a manual for debian 5, follow that. |
| 18:21.40 | linis | actually, its a binary file and the manual is common for all distros |
| 18:21.54 | linis | http://wiki.vtiger.com/index.php/Vtiger_CRM_5.0.4_-_Installation_Manual_for_Linux |
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| 18:22.05 | hydra | redtshirtlinux: maybe the java version changed ? |
| 18:22.13 | wakiki | Does anyone know how to find out what is using swap? I have 10GB RAM and with 2GB available yet it's still using 5GB swap |
| 18:22.14 | jelly-home | linis: if they _say_ they support Debian 5, ask them to provide actual information for that distro. |
| 18:22.23 | wakiki | my output from htop: http://skitch.com/wakiki/du935/steve-db2-ssh-117x56 |
| 18:22.32 | wakiki | output of ps -aux http://pastie.org/private/ylgznzry1c2wtvjxfoyfa |
| 18:22.37 | jordanm | jelly-home: yes, it points out that debian needs the file /usr/local/lib/libpng12.so.0 .... |
| 18:22.46 | jelly-home | linis: the rough equivalent to /etc/httpd is indeed /etc/apache2 |
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| 18:23.04 | KB1JWQ | Yay skitch. :-) |
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| 18:23.41 | linis | jelly-home:and i did give /etc/apache2, and it returned error |
| 18:23.43 | hydra | redtshirt: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: |
| 18:23.55 | hydra | seems some path is missing or some package is missing |
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| 18:24.21 | jelly-home | linis: contact the support for your third-party application, or investigate further what the installation procedure is actually looking for. |
| 18:24.35 | jhutchins_lt | wakiki: Is it using the swap? Or is the swap just abailable? |
| 18:25.21 | jordanm | jelly-home: oh, it only supports woody and etch! |
| 18:25.28 | jelly-home | linis: if they say they prefer some other distro, you might have an easier time using that. |
| 18:25.40 | wakiki | jhutchins_it: yes it is - dstat shows the following: http://pastie.org/private/fua9fqp7spycqgoogpdvw |
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| 18:25.55 | jelly-home | jordanm: that's an interesting choice of releases, wonder why they skipped sarge. |
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| 18:26.01 | jordanm | jelly-home: yes, they probably want him to use RedHat Linux 7.2/8.0/9.0 |
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| 18:26.11 | jordanm | jelly-home: err, sorry, sarge and etch |
| 18:26.17 | jelly-home | jordanm: it translates somewhat to "apache 1.3" |
| 18:26.36 | fxiny | i recommend redhat 7.0 :P |
| 18:26.47 | jordanm | jelly-home: they package the software with 2.0.50 |
| 18:27.01 | jelly-home | jordanm: shiny. |
| 18:27.07 | jordanm | everything about that linux installation looks terrible to me |
| 18:27.10 | linis | jelly-home:you mean to say i have to change from debian to some other distro |
| 18:27.20 | jordanm | how can they possibly have missed all the RHEL versions? |
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| 18:27.32 | linis | jelly-home: 'TBS' means its not yet available for debian ?? |
| 18:27.35 | jelly-home | linis: that, or use the release of Debian they say they support. |
| 18:27.47 | jelly-home | linis: I have no idea what TBS means. |
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| 18:27.53 | jelly-home | dpkg, wtf TBS |
| 18:27.54 | dpkg | Gee... I don't know what TBS means... |
| 18:27.57 | jelly-home | dpkg, wtf TBD |
| 18:27.58 | dpkg | TBD: to be {decided,determined,done} |
| 18:28.05 | jelly-home | dpkg, wtf TBC |
| 18:28.06 | dpkg | TBC: to be continued |
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| 18:28.38 | linis | to be started ?? |
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| 18:30.27 | jelly-home | linis: in any case it sounds like "not there" |
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| 18:30.49 | linis | jelly-home: :( :) |
| 18:31.45 | linis | http://wiki.vtiger.com/index.php/Installation_How_To%27s#How_to_install_vtiger_CRM_on_Debian_server.3F |
| 18:32.43 | wakiki | member:jhutchins_lt yes it is - dstat shows the following: http://pastie.org/private/fua9fqp7spycqgoogpdvw |
| 18:33.15 | jelly-home | linis: http://wiki.vtiger.com/index.php/vtiger510:Installation_on_Linux#Source_Installation says Debian 4.0/5.0, you'll just have to build the stuff yourself |
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| 18:33.59 | linis | jelly-home: oh ok, let me try that |
| 18:34.08 | linis | jelly-home: Thank you |
| 18:34.29 | jelly-home | linis: oh it's php. You'll have to configure apache/php/mysql/file system permission yourself, then |
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| 18:36.01 | linis | jelly-home: Ok, let me give it a try. thats the only option remaining anyways :) |
| 18:36.27 | jelly-home | linis: that's far from the only option. You can use a supported OS. |
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| 18:37.28 | linis | jelly-home: i'm running this debian on a linode VPS, already running many apps on it. so cant afford to have a new distro |
| 18:37.33 | jordanm | you could try using the apache its bundled with |
| 18:37.44 | jordanm | I imagine it drops it all in /opt |
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| 18:38.24 | linis | jordanm: but that'd conflict with the already installed apache i guess |
| 18:38.34 | jelly-home | linis: I'd strongly suggest testing it on a different machine before ruining your production |
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| 18:39.40 | linis | jelly-home: ok, thats right. |
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| 18:53.00 | roe_ | can anyone help with this error: http://pastebin.com/XbmTTxbB |
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| 18:53.12 | roe_ | I seem to get it when I try to play *any* video with mplayer |
| 18:54.25 | rking | roe_: How did you install mplayer? |
| 18:54.32 | roe_ | using apt |
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| 18:55.11 | rking | Those kinds of errors are what happens when, for example, you have the wrong shared object (.so) file loading against an executable that expects it to be a different version |
| 18:55.38 | roe_ | ok... |
| 18:55.42 | rking | Did you try to update/upgrade ? |
| 18:55.59 | rking | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=51505 |
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| 18:58.00 | jelly-home | roe_: which debian release is this? pastebin the output of dpkg -l libc6 mplayer $(dpkg -S $(ldd =mplayer 2>&1 |awk '/=> \//{print $3}') |awk -F: '{print $1}') |
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| 18:58.57 | jelly-home | roe_: or better yet, just apt-cache policy mplayer libc6 |
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| 19:00.04 | s5s | If I want to compile agains some kernel headers I should do make KDIR=<dir with kernel headers>. I did aptitude download linux-headers... and then dpkg -x ./ and tried to compile some source code against that headers. It didn't work. It works in Ubuntu which is what surprised me |
| 19:00.06 | roe_ | mplayer: Installed: 2:1.0~rc3++final.dfsg1-1 ---- Candidate: 2:1.0~rc3++svn20100804-0.0 |
| 19:00.27 | roe_ | libc6: Installed: 2.11.2-2 |
| 19:02.18 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions mplayer |
| 19:02.19 | judd | mplayer -- etch: 1.0~rc1-12etch7; etch-security: 1.0~rc1-12etch7; lenny: 1.0~rc2-17+lenny3.2; lenny-security: 1.0~rc2-17+lenny3.2; etch-multimedia: 1:1.0-rc1svn20070225-0.3etch1; lenny-multimedia: 1:1.0.rc2svn20080706-0.1lenny2; sid: 2:1.0~rc3++final.dfsg1-1; squeeze: 2:1.0~rc3++final.dfsg1-1; sid-multimedia: 2:1.0~rc3++svn20100804-0.0; squeeze-multimedia: |
| 19:02.21 | judd | 2:1.0~rc3++svn20100804-0.0; experimental: 2:1.0~rc4~try1.dsfg1-1 |
| 19:02.21 | jelly-home | roe_: you don't have pastebin capabilities? there's more information in that output. |
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| 19:03.09 | jhutchins_lt | I think it's pretty clear what he's running, and why he has version mis-matches. |
| 19:04.17 | jelly-home | roe_: judging by the little you pasted though, I'm guessing you used mplayer from d-m until recently when you got hit by the epoch dump in testing or unstable mplayer. Installing the version d-m again (which is shown as a Candidate) will probably fix mplayer |
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| 19:05.27 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: it's not _clear_, just merely a good possibility to know what happened _if_ this user is a testing+dmm or sid+dmm user. |
| 19:05.36 | stuckey | Why no flightgear in squeeze? |
| 19:05.55 | stew | stuckey: /msg dpkg why is flightgear not in testing |
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| 19:06.16 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: I've no idea why debian bumped their epoch and broke mplayer for every dmm user. |
| 19:06.31 | xbob | I resolved my issue |
| 19:06.41 | xbob | went into apt archives |
| 19:06.46 | xbob | took the packages |
| 19:06.51 | xbob | opened them |
| 19:06.57 | xbob | extracted the data |
| 19:07.16 | xbob | replaced the data on FS and apt was not complainig any more |
| 19:08.33 | stew | jelly-home: according to the changelog the epoch bump was to benefit ubuntu |
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| 19:09.01 | stew | if i'm reading that correctly |
| 19:09.06 | stew | http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/mplayer/news/20100502T064740Z.html |
| 19:09.26 | jelly-home | ^%$# |
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| 19:11.52 | jelly-home | stew: do I comment on #396346? "You said wontfix and then bloody did it!" |
| 19:12.05 | jelly-home | "mplayer: please consider adding an epoch to your package" |
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| 19:12.50 | stew | jelly-home: do you think you have somehting helpful to add to that bug? :) |
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| 19:13.38 | jelly-home | fsvo helpful ;-) |
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| 19:25.44 | Pinchiukas | It seems my Broadcom WiFi card is using the NDIS driver automagically. How can I make Debian use the b43 driver? |
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| 19:26.55 | moldovean | !b43 |
| 19:26.56 | dpkg | [b43] the driver for modern Broadcom 802.11b/g PCI/PCI-E wireless LAN chipsets, included in Linux since 2.6.24. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. 802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are instead supported by the <b43legacy> driver. BCM4321/4322 (802.11n) and BCM4313 are not supported, ask about <wl>. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx #bcm-users on irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:26.56 | rking | Pinchiukas: I think you blacklist the ndis stuff... but I don't know what I'm talking about. |
| 19:27.17 | Pinchiukas | :) |
| 19:27.54 | Pinchiukas | Mine is a USB adapter but I guess that doesn't really matter? |
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| 19:30.15 | Pinchiukas | Mine is a Broadcom 4320 so I guess I'm screwed? :( |
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| 19:32.35 | jet | I have a debian box with lenny, I think I'm able to update all the packages (using aptitude) (I'm not very good with debian) |
| 19:32.49 | jet | but the php version is 5.2.6-1+lenny9 |
| 19:33.04 | jet | I'm a bit surprised, it seems old |
| 19:33.24 | jordanm | jet: by old, you mean "well tested" |
| 19:33.30 | jordanm | !tell jet about stable |
| 19:33.47 | jet | I just wanted to make sure I know how to use aptitude :-) |
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| 19:34.04 | jet | according to http://packages.debian.org/lenny/php5 it seems the latest version on debian |
| 19:34.06 | jordanm | jet: that is the current version |
| 19:34.17 | jet | ok, so there is no problem |
| 19:34.18 | Pinchiukas | It is. |
| 19:34.18 | jet | thanks |
| 19:34.22 | jordanm | jet: not on debian, in stable |
| 19:34.49 | jet | cool, thanks |
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| 19:49.38 | stuckey | hi all |
| 19:50.09 | stuckey | does anyone know how to mail other people on the same system if you have their login name? |
| 19:50.43 | Pinchiukas | moldovean: If I have a Broadcom 4320 I can't use anything but rndis_wlan? :( |
| 19:51.27 | stew | stuckey: mail -s "subject" username ; then type your message and end the message by adding a line with nothing but "." |
| 19:51.33 | petemc | stuckey: echo hello | mail -s hello username |
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| 19:52.59 | stuckey | stew: petemc: awesome! thanks! |
| 19:53.01 | ^DEMOSS^ | hello ppl )) i have a noob question... what is this - IRIX ??? |
| 19:53.17 | ^DEMOSS^ | i cant use brouser in my SERVER 8( |
| 19:53.18 | jordanm | ^DEMOSS^: a legacy computer platform. not debian related |
| 19:53.48 | ^DEMOSS^ | how about debian vs IRIX ? |
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| 19:55.28 | ^DEMOSS^ | jordanm ?? |
| 19:55.48 | jordanm | ^DEMOSS^: try a more complete question |
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| 19:56.59 | xbj9000 | hi everyone.. can I please get some help with debconf preseeding / my-simple-cdd? |
| 19:57.26 | xbj9000 | I'm having trouble with some pre-seeded selections still showing up during install |
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| 19:59.14 | xbj9000 | for instance, if I preseed the hostname, it's filled in for me, but I'm still asked for confirmation and have to press enter |
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| 20:01.30 | moldovean | Pinchiukas, see /msg dpkg wl |
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| 20:08.33 | ^DEMOSS^ | is that must work ? ( mount smbfs \\192.168.0.111\share /home/server/shares ) |
| 20:09.10 | TiCPU | mount -t cifs //192.168.0.111/share -o user=Someuser,pass=somepassword |
| 20:09.19 | TiCPU | mount -t cifs //192.168.0.111/share /home/server/shares -o user=Someuser,pass=somepassword |
| 20:09.28 | ^DEMOSS^ | noo |
| 20:09.36 | ^DEMOSS^ | not cifs - SMBFS |
| 20:09.45 | TiCPU | that is wayyyy too old |
| 20:09.57 | ^DEMOSS^ | work or not work ? |
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| 20:10.05 | TiCPU | cifs is the new (well standard) way to mount Windows shares |
| 20:10.18 | ^DEMOSS^ | heh |
| 20:10.22 | TiCPU | SMBFS is mostly for Win9x |
| 20:10.27 | ^DEMOSS^ | why have so many option ? |
| 20:10.38 | jhutchins_lt | smbfs is a compatibility alias of cifs. |
| 20:10.55 | ^DEMOSS^ | i have error if want mount CIFS |
| 20:11.16 | TiCPU | you use / not \ right? |
| 20:11.34 | ^DEMOSS^ | \\192.168.0.111\share |
| 20:11.36 | ^DEMOSS^ | and |
| 20:11.45 | ^DEMOSS^ | /home/server/shares |
| 20:11.52 | TiCPU | never use \ in linux, always use / |
| 20:12.01 | TiCPU | \ is for special character / new lines |
| 20:12.03 | ^DEMOSS^ | shit ^) |
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| 20:12.21 | ^DEMOSS^ | TiCPU true :) |
| 20:12.42 | ^DEMOSS^ | \\ - windows like ) |
| 20:13.51 | jhutchins_lt | \ "escapes" the following character, causing it not to be interpreted as a special character by the shell. |
| 20:14.07 | ^DEMOSS^ | mount (_FS_) [_in_resourse_] {_OUT_local_directory_} = yes ? |
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| 20:15.34 | ^DEMOSS^ | -t always need use ? |
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| 20:16.50 | jhutchins_lt | ^DEMOSS^: yes, although you can use -t auto. |
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| 20:18.52 | ^DEMOSS^ | is that true ( /boot = 100 mb ) ( / = 20 GB ) (/home = 40 GB ) ( /var = 100 GB ) ?? |
| 20:19.40 | mutante | testing/gdm/openbox. can su into root , but i am not allowed to get a graphical X login as the real root user. where would i configure to allow that |
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| 20:20.36 | ^DEMOSS^ | control-backspace - exit - login root \ password for root \ - startx |
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| 20:22.22 | mutante | control-backspace: nothing happens , ctrl+alt+backspace = at x login, type user root and password = *beep* and back at user input |
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| 20:22.43 | ^DEMOSS^ | oh yes - ctrl+alt+backspc |
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| 20:22.57 | Tramp | mutante: I think it's AllowRoot=yes in /etc/gdm/gdm.conf (then restart gdm). Not sure though. The configuration of gdm and the location of the file you are supposed to edit has changed in the past |
| 20:23.23 | Tramp | mutante: (this location refers to squeeze. I think it was different in lenny) |
| 20:23.26 | ^DEMOSS^ | in defoult GDM allow it |
| 20:23.52 | Tramp | by default gdm configuration in debian does not allow root. |
| 20:24.15 | mutante | Tramp: thanks, hmm that file exists, but no hit on the string "Root", trying to just put it in there |
| 20:24.18 | ^DEMOSS^ | mutante - console \ sudo su \ - stopx - |
| 20:24.45 | ^DEMOSS^ | you must login in console mod, not X mode |
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| 20:24.53 | Tramp | mutante: in this file there is a comment, where you find the default-config-file which contains all possible options |
| 20:24.53 | mutante | ^DEMOSS^: i want X as root because i want to use gparted and resize /home , which is always in use if i am not root |
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| 20:25.30 | ^DEMOSS^ | take me one minute |
| 20:25.33 | mutante | Tramp: thanks |
| 20:25.33 | Tramp | mutante: in case you missed this comment, it refers to /usr/share/gdm/defaults.conf |
| 20:26.13 | Tramp | and it might be "true" not "yes", since the default says "false" - but I think both are understood. |
| 20:26.55 | mutante | yes, there is AllowRoot and AllowRemoteRoot and its true and false |
| 20:27.28 | Tramp | I think there is even a graphical frontend for this weird gdm configuration which can handle some options or not, but don't ask me, how it's called |
| 20:27.32 | mutante | but seems the default is indeed false then, because it was not in gdm.conf |
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| 20:27.45 | Tramp | that's what I said |
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| 20:29.43 | ^DEMOSS^ | i do that |
| 20:29.56 | ^DEMOSS^ | console ( root console ) |
| 20:30.09 | ^DEMOSS^ | /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 20:30.21 | ^DEMOSS^ | login - root \ pass - for root |
| 20:30.27 | ^DEMOSS^ | them startx |
| 20:30.28 | mutante | /etc/init.d/gdm restart did not really work, it just stopped, but heh "startx" from the console as root did it too now |
| 20:30.37 | ^DEMOSS^ | not RESTART |
| 20:30.41 | ^DEMOSS^ | STOP |
| 20:30.44 | mutante | ^DEMOSS^: heh, yes, just happend that way |
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| 20:31.22 | Tramp | mutante: if it didn't restart, you probably broke something |
| 20:31.30 | ^DEMOSS^ | not often use root access for desktop - this way is better |
| 20:32.06 | mutante | well, its a one-time thing for me too now, and it works, so thanks |
| 20:32.18 | mutante | just hope the resizing works fine now |
| 20:32.24 | ^DEMOSS^ | not often restart server - this way good too for get root access whith GDM |
| 20:32.58 | ^DEMOSS^ | mutante work ? |
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| 20:34.03 | mutante | yes, i already did that up there |
| 20:34.14 | ^DEMOSS^ | good ) russian pple help english user in eanglish channel ) |
| 20:34.43 | mutante | actually i am German |
| 20:34.49 | ^DEMOSS^ | 1 month ego i do not know linux )) |
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| 20:35.25 | mutante | sounds like you have fun..enjoy then |
| 20:35.38 | ^DEMOSS^ | i mean - i help non russian pple in non russian channel - this is good for me )) i did world better ) |
| 20:35.51 | mutante | yay :) |
| 20:36.05 | ^DEMOSS^ | :) |
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| 20:36.26 | ^DEMOSS^ | i like help pple - it is a part of my wor k and life |
| 20:37.31 | thewanderer1 | hey, I want to use a bluetooth headset (namely, Nokia BH-something) with my system as a mic and audio output, just like I'd use it with a cellphone. where to check if this will be supported? |
| 20:37.36 | ^DEMOSS^ | i am IT ingineer ( ingineer for service and repair electronics, difficult digital and computer technics ) |
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| 20:38.15 | mutante | would you find it strange if you see "fdisk -l = /dev/sda5 System HPFS/NTFS" but at the same time: mount = /dev/sda5 on /home type ext3 . |
| 20:38.16 | ^DEMOSS^ | thewanderer1 this is hard level job\ |
| 20:38.51 | thewanderer1 | I'm asking since the bluez wiki is dead and I have no idea where to obtain this kind of information |
| 20:38.57 | sxp | Hi, Which packets should I install in order to get wireless connection working well in my Debian Lenny typical installation. I used the debian-505-i386-CD-1.iso CD |
| 20:39.31 | jordanm | sxp: install the "laptop" task. more might be needed depending on the card |
| 20:39.39 | ^DEMOSS^ | mutante time-to-time it may be ntfs or ext 3 ? |
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| 20:40.00 | sxp | I don't have Internet in Debian so I want to get the packets booting from Windows (I have dual boot) |
| 20:40.10 | ^DEMOSS^ | thewanderer1 hmm a cant work whith my soney erricsson hedset |
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| 20:40.52 | Sbidicuda | hi |
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| 20:41.03 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Hey, totally wrong about bluez deprecation the other day, sorry 'bout that. |
| 20:41.10 | ^DEMOSS^ | debian-sony ericsson headset i mean |
| 20:41.16 | ardian | Hi How do I change the time ? |
| 20:41.29 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: It's just the opposite of what I said, the old bluetooth packages is deprecated in favor of bluez. |
| 20:41.31 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: that's ok, but the wiki is really down permanently... |
| 20:41.44 | Sbidicuda | does anyone know gcc embedded development channel? |
| 20:41.46 | sxp | jordanm: ok |
| 20:42.06 | ^DEMOSS^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:42.27 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Yeah, lovely civic minded devs responsible for it don't care, because it was about the obsolete-but-currently-in-the-field version3 and they're all about version 4. |
| 20:42.36 | mutante | ardian: date -s or you could use ntpdate to get the correct time from a time server |
| 20:42.42 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Their helpfull suggestion is "read the source tree". |
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| 20:42.59 | ardian | how to use ntpdate |
| 20:43.02 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: I think there's a bit of a problem if you're on lenny with kde. |
| 20:43.18 | mutante | ardian: ntpdate <ntp server hostname> |
| 20:43.21 | ^DEMOSS^ | Sbidicuda you mean our #gcc Channel ? |
| 20:43.38 | ardian | ok |
| 20:43.38 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: There are backports of v4, but they're not complete and are incompatible with kbluetooth. |
| 20:43.44 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Might work with gnome. |
| 20:43.51 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: I think what you need is bluez-alsa. |
| 20:43.58 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: actually, I'm on Squeeze / GNOME... |
| 20:44.07 | thewanderer1 | what I need is to locate this thing now... :P |
| 20:44.08 | ^DEMOSS^ | kde have more best package for that |
| 20:44.18 | thewanderer1 | I'm confined to GNOME now... |
| 20:44.24 | Sbidicuda | ^DEMOSS^: not a channel on gcc development but about embedded development WITH gcc |
| 20:44.34 | sxp | jordanm: can I install the laptop task from that CD I mentioned? you know... from debian-505-i386-CD-1.iso CD |
| 20:44.52 | ^DEMOSS^ | Sbidicuda oh... that you mean )) |
| 20:44.56 | jordanm | sxp: not sure I always used the netinst, I believe there is a contents list |
| 20:45.00 | jordanm | !cd contents |
| 20:45.00 | dpkg | To find out what is on what disk, examine the package lists within the list-{cd,dvd} subdirectories for the relevant architecture at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/ (e.g. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/list-cd/). |
| 20:45.11 | ^DEMOSS^ | Sbidicuda what are you doing ? web-programming ? |
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| 20:45.40 | Sbidicuda | ^DEMOSS^: I developed a firmware for an industrial robot using arm9 and keil... |
| 20:45.51 | Sbidicuda | ^DEMOSS^: and I'm in deep trouble with them |
| 20:45.54 | jordanm | sxp: a quick look at the list indicates yes |
| 20:46.01 | ^DEMOSS^ | oO wow - good job |
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| 20:46.45 | ^DEMOSS^ | firmware based on gcc ? |
| 20:46.57 | Sbidicuda | gcc + kdevelop or emacs23 + openocd + olimex arm-usb-ocd |
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| 20:47.15 | Sbidicuda | ^DEMOSS^: I'd like to use gcc, that it is better than keil shit |
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| 20:47.58 | Sbidicuda | ^DEMOSS^: debian offers emdebian, but I don't know to get help, if I'll need... and I will :) |
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| 20:48.06 | ^DEMOSS^ | hmm i know one russia man - he know your thme, i ask him to ICQ about english channel for you |
| 20:48.16 | foetus | installed mysql-server today - what a pain.. |
| 20:48.17 | jordanm | !tell Sbidicuda about emdebian |
| 20:49.07 | Sbidicuda | jordanm: I know it :) |
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| 20:49.54 | ^DEMOSS^ | Sbidicuda i write messege to my russian friend |
| 20:50.10 | Sbidicuda | and? |
| 20:50.26 | ^DEMOSS^ | Sbidicuda he must know english channel were you can ask pple about your problem |
| 20:50.47 | Sbidicuda | ah txc |
| 20:50.48 | Sbidicuda | ah tx |
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| 20:51.14 | mutante | hmm, i expected gparted lets me resize ext3 partitions, but it just greyed out the "resize" on that (and all other partitions ntfs / fat 16) |
| 20:51.18 | grondilu | Hi, do you now a text-based/ncurse version of dmenu ? |
| 20:51.29 | grondilu | s/now/know/ |
| 20:51.32 | Sbidicuda | very kind of you |
| 20:51.40 | ^DEMOSS^ | he programming PLC and some robots in our town |
| 20:51.40 | Sbidicuda | ^DEMOSS^: very kind of you |
| 20:51.54 | Sbidicuda | I hate PLC :) |
| 20:52.06 | ^DEMOSS^ | why ? ) |
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| 20:52.18 | Sbidicuda | so damned simple and expensive :) lol |
| 20:52.22 | foetus | deleted /var/lib/mysql/* /etc/mysql/* except my.cnf -- totally useless |
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| 20:52.56 | ^DEMOSS^ | i have a good coffe every day - thx PLC ) |
| 20:53.16 | Sbidicuda | foetus: that's why you're a foetus not a complete being :) |
| 20:53.42 | Sbidicuda | ^DEMOSS^: most of vending machines uses SBC and ad-hoc interface boards |
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| 20:54.49 | foetus | Sbidicuda: you may laugh - mysqld runs without any root access :) |
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| 20:55.07 | Sbidicuda | ^DEMOSS^: do you actually know LISP? |
| 20:55.19 | ^DEMOSS^ | 5 years ago i programming micro controller for my automatic model of car |
| 20:55.36 | jordanm | foetus: that is intended |
| 20:55.38 | Sbidicuda | foetus: indeed... I told you... you're in a womb so why do you need authentications? |
| 20:56.04 | jordanm | foetus: /var/lib/mysql is where the databases are stored, and authentication info is stored in one of them |
| 20:56.09 | foetus | Sbidicuda: good question |
| 20:56.13 | nsadmin | ^DEMOSS^: cool... so does your car start yet? |
| 20:56.13 | foetus | :) |
| 20:56.30 | Sbidicuda | foetus: mysqladmin -u root -p |
| 20:56.35 | Sbidicuda | foetus: ?? |
| 20:56.57 | ^DEMOSS^ | my car can take a pepsi bottle and take it me |
| 20:57.04 | ^DEMOSS^ | get**\ |
| 20:57.07 | foetus | jordanm: i have moved something. |
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| 20:57.23 | mutante | GParted -> Help -> Contents *click* -> Unable to open GParted Manual help file. Operation not supported. *sigh* |
| 20:57.26 | Sbidicuda | ^DEMOSS^: better if it take to you a russian girl :) |
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| 20:58.03 | ^DEMOSS^ | My car could reach to kitchen, to take a bottle, and to bring it to me. |
| 20:58.38 | foetus | and - please have a look at 'Fine Tuning'.. |
| 20:58.39 | ^DEMOSS^ | but it is be in 2005 |
| 20:58.54 | Sbidicuda | by the way I'm upgrading lenny to squeeze just for fun :( |
| 20:58.57 | mutante | too bad Sony did not continue that robo dog, Aibo |
| 20:59.12 | Sbidicuda | but I don't like that useless kde control center |
| 20:59.23 | ^DEMOSS^ | hmm this man can't sleep at this time/// may be he go to eat 5- 10 minuts |
| 20:59.28 | Sbidicuda | and no icon on desktop |
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| 21:01.54 | ^DEMOSS^ | Sbidicuda #gcc IRC channel on OFTC irc://irc.oftc.net - ? |
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| 21:02.23 | Sbidicuda | ^DEMOSS^: developing of gcc arguments |
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| 21:04.27 | ^DEMOSS^ | oh |
| 21:04.42 | ^DEMOSS^ | hmm - you install emdebian in your robots ? |
| 21:05.07 | ^DEMOSS^ | Sbidicuda yes ? |
| 21:05.14 | Sbidicuda | ^DEMOSS^: no, the arm9 I'm using has got 96kB of SRAM and just 256kB of flash |
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| 21:05.37 | Sbidicuda | ^DEMOSS^: I wrote a small state machine based OS |
| 21:05.55 | Sbidicuda | ^DEMOSS^: using c |
| 21:05.58 | ^DEMOSS^ | why you ask about EMdebian ? |
| 21:06.27 | Sbidicuda | ^DEMOSS^: because it provides cross compiling toos |
| 21:06.38 | Sbidicuda | tools |
| 21:06.55 | Sbidicuda | perfectly (almost) integrated in a debian distro |
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| 21:07.17 | Sbidicuda | a free tool-chain based on debian |
| 21:07.20 | ^DEMOSS^ | oO some plc have 128k ram and 1 mb flash |
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| 21:07.36 | Pinchiukas | moldovean: it doesn't list the 4320. |
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| 21:07.58 | Sbidicuda | ^DEMOSS^: yes, but they have a lot of digital and analog I/O ports |
| 21:08.13 | nkuttler | Pinchiukas: i don't think you meant me |
| 21:08.15 | ^DEMOSS^ | yes - 12 in \ 24 out |
| 21:08.28 | Sbidicuda | ^DEMOSS^: even more |
| 21:08.33 | ^DEMOSS^ | com\lan\usb |
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| 21:08.57 | Av | hey guys, i have a question about packages :-) I run lenny and want to install a number of packages which are in squeeze/testing. If I Just update apt's sources.list and 'apt-get update', can I just start installing those? or does it require me to update me entire base system to squeeze? |
| 21:09.00 | Sbidicuda | ^DEMOSS^: can, i2c, spi and serials |
| 21:09.14 | foetus | btw grant reload,shutdown on *.* to someuser@localhost identified by 'blabla'; was the thing |
| 21:09.15 | nkuttler | Pinchiukas: err, nm |
| 21:09.42 | ^DEMOSS^ | Sbidicuda my friends write me - that's he know ane channel |
| 21:10.00 | Sbidicuda | good |
| 21:10.02 | ^DEMOSS^ | but he has one problem.... :) |
| 21:10.56 | ^DEMOSS^ | he has 600+ records in Favorite ( opera ) |
| 21:11.14 | ^DEMOSS^ | he start search channel for you |
| 21:12.26 | roconnor | Are build logs for debian packages posted somewhere? I'm trying to understand why I can't build gmetadom myself but debian has succeeded. |
| 21:12.45 | Sbidicuda | ^DEMOSS^: lol |
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| 21:16.03 | ^DEMOSS^ | Sbidicuda hmm... let's chek - understand i you - or not correctly |
| 21:16.41 | ^DEMOSS^ | 1- you write firmware ( job programm ) for industrial robots in C++ ? - yes ? |
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| 21:17.39 | foetus | and - put a mysqladmin.cnf with the new user and password into /etc/mysql..works nice.. |
| 21:17.48 | Sbidicuda | ^DEMOSS^: c |
| 21:18.24 | ^DEMOSS^ | ok 2 - you use EMdebian whith GCC to compilling your firmware ? |
| 21:18.33 | Sbidicuda | ^DEMOSS^: c++ is not and ideal choice |
| 21:18.44 | Sbidicuda | ^DEMOSS^: yes |
| 21:18.54 | Sbidicuda | ^DEMOSS^: well no |
| 21:19.01 | Sbidicuda | ^DEMOSS^: I like to do that |
| 21:19.02 | ^DEMOSS^ | ? |
| 21:19.03 | nsadmin | roconnor it's either because you haven't installed the build depends or you're trying to build a version that's not the one for the version of debian you're building on |
| 21:19.10 | Sbidicuda | ^DEMOSS^: I'm developing with keil |
| 21:19.24 | Sbidicuda | ^DEMOSS^: I'm developing with keil on windows |
| 21:19.31 | ardian | 27 Aug 22:55:51 ntpdate[17806]: step-systime: Operation not permitted # Why do i have this error im root |
| 21:19.38 | ^DEMOSS^ | earlier you use keil - but now you want use EMdebian ? |
| 21:19.44 | Sbidicuda | ^DEMOSS^: and I like to move to gcc |
| 21:19.45 | nsadmin | yay windows... |
| 21:20.03 | nsadmin | er.. HEY, who took over my kbd just now?! |
| 21:20.09 | ^DEMOSS^ | i lake = i want ? |
| 21:20.18 | ^DEMOSS^ | like** |
| 21:20.19 | Sbidicuda | ^DEMOSS^: yes I like to move to gcc and throw windows and keil shit |
| 21:20.29 | ^DEMOSS^ | godd |
| 21:20.54 | nsadmin | i like -> I prefer; I lake -> I jump in a lake |
| 21:21.16 | ^DEMOSS^ | 3 - you move Emdebian and gcc - now you have some question and need some help whith your work in emdebian+gcc ??? |
| 21:21.36 | ^DEMOSS^ | nsadmin Thanks ) |
| 21:21.43 | Sbidicuda | ^DEMOSS^: I'm kinda forced to: keil it's a mess alas str912 (arm9) is worse |
| 21:22.13 | Sbidicuda | ^DEMOSS^: exactly more specific on openocd the jtag program |
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| 21:22.36 | ^DEMOSS^ | str912 - 2004 year ? |
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| 21:23.26 | Sbidicuda | ^DEMOSS^: 2006 I think |
| 21:23.38 | Sbidicuda | ^DEMOSS^: based on arm 966e-s |
| 21:23.56 | ^DEMOSS^ | =) |
| 21:24.01 | ^DEMOSS^ | arm9 is better |
| 21:24.33 | ^DEMOSS^ | what family you are use ? |
| 21:24.42 | Sbidicuda | it is an arm9 |
| 21:24.44 | moldovean | Sbidicuda, /msg dpkg arm |
| 21:24.52 | Sbidicuda | v4 or v5 I think |
| 21:25.22 | roconnor | nsadmin: ah, solve my problem. I was doing configure --disable-static, but despite that configure option being available the tests depends on static libraries being there. |
| 21:25.28 | roconnor | sighs |
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| 21:25.37 | roconnor | poorly written makefile / configure |
| 21:26.30 | nsadmin | roconnor: configure is normally "written" by m4 as it processes configure.in |
| 21:27.28 | roconnor | the libgmetadom_gdome_cpp_smart.a depedency was put directly into the tests makefile. |
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| 21:28.36 | nsadmin | which should have come from a makefile.in in the same dir, and the configure step should have arranged for the lib or flagged that it wasn't present |
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| 21:29.33 | nsadmin | sounds like error by whoever wrote the build system for that software |
| 21:29.40 | roconnor | sounds like it |
| 21:29.41 | ^DEMOSS^ | Sbidicuda jtag use for Feedback , |
| 21:29.51 | ^DEMOSS^ | ? |
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| 21:30.39 | Sbidicuda | ^DEMOSS^: JTAG is used for debug micros and to program micro flash |
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| 21:32.11 | ^DEMOSS^ | some time jtag use for feedback. If work not correctly - programm have data from jtag and start another version of programm ( debug or safe ) |
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| 21:32.56 | ^DEMOSS^ | or another device have data from jtag ferst device and start another programm |
| 21:33.14 | foetus | ok. all is workin |
| 21:34.22 | ^DEMOSS^ | Sbidicuda openocd = squeeze ? |
| 21:34.44 | Sbidicuda | ^DEMOSS^: it is a package in lenny and squeeze |
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| 21:35.39 | ^DEMOSS^ | it is i mean |
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| 21:36.35 | ^DEMOSS^ | fuf - so difficult for me, speek in english in that theme, but this is wery good practice :) |
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| 21:37.45 | Sbidicuda | ^DEMOSS^: squeeze version is more complete |
| 21:38.27 | ^DEMOSS^ | What for to add in a disorder of 600 bookmarks in the browser if then on an hour them to look through to find the necessary |
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| 21:39.30 | Sbidicuda | ^DEMOSS^: I've got more entries in my bookmarks once upon a time I've got almost all porno sites among them :) |
| 21:40.01 | ^DEMOSS^ | may be before that - he put bookmarks in needed folders ]:< |
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| 21:40.37 | ^DEMOSS^ | why you need porno ? j_J |
| 21:41.47 | moldovean | !ot |
| 21:41.47 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 21:44.17 | ^DEMOSS^ | 'Sbidicuda ? |
| 21:44.55 | Sbidicuda | ^DEMOSS^: not really It was a joke |
| 21:44.58 | Sbidicuda | :) |
| 21:45.07 | ^DEMOSS^ | :) |
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| 21:45.40 | ^DEMOSS^ | hehe - he wrote that he see 107 bookmarks )) |
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| 21:46.45 | Darkclaw66 | how do I tell how strong of a power suppply I need for a computer? |
| 21:47.25 | moldovean | see ##hardware |
| 21:47.36 | ^DEMOSS^ | write me pm ) |
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| 21:48.43 | Sbidicuda | ^DEMOSS^: ok |
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| 21:49.51 | ^DEMOSS^ | Sbidicuda it's interesting, how many time he can search needed channel )) |
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| 21:59.42 | Brian_H | how do I disable logging to the console? I don't want spamming to the terminal console only files |
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| 22:00.08 | cast | man dmesg |
| 22:00.31 | jhutchins_lt | Brian_H: Start with man syslog. |
| 22:00.50 | Brian_H | this is on lenny |
| 22:00.55 | Brian_H | man syslog |
| 22:00.55 | Brian_H | No manual entry for syslog |
| 22:01.24 | nsadmin | try man 5 syslog.conf |
| 22:01.53 | nsadmin | but whether something goes to a console or not isn't always controlled by a syslog-related functgion |
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| 22:02.31 | nsadmin | it also depends on what you're running on that console and, how what you're running is configured |
| 22:02.43 | jhutchins_lt | Actually lenny would be man rsyslogd/rsyslog.conf |
| 22:03.07 | nsadmin | what's the difference between syslog and rsyslog? |
| 22:03.25 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: iirc rsyslog is a little easier to do remote logging with. |
| 22:03.37 | nsadmin | oh, hence the r |
| 22:03.41 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: ie log everything to a log server instead of locally. |
| 22:05.41 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: That can be done with the old standard syslog daemon, but rsyslog is enhanced to make it easier and have some more "enterprize" options. |
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| 22:05.58 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: Amazingly, they didn't do a grub2 and make it incomprehensible to the novice. |
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| 22:08.04 | nsadmin | I see the comparison... I'll just be a barbie on booting and say it's hard |
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| 22:09.09 | nsadmin | no matter which, lilo, grub legacy, grub2, whatever boot thing you're trying to fit in with your system, if you have to reach under the hood and actually learn about boot concepts, it's going to be challenging |
| 22:11.14 | jelly-home | noone told the user about printk? |
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| 22:12.14 | jhutchins_lt | Wierd. Firefox keeps freezing. I can see the title bar and move it around and shade it, but the actual app is dead, doesn't draw anything in the window. |
| 22:12.20 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions iceweasel |
| 22:12.23 | judd | iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.11-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.11-1; sid: 3.5.11-2; experimental: 3.6.8-2 |
| 22:13.22 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 22:13.23 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.35-trunk-686 (2.6.35-1~experimental.2); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-21); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-20); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-24lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 22:13.45 | lost_soul | jhutchins_lt: had that happen before myself.. removing the .mozilla folder fixed it, be sure to save your bookmarks and such elsewhere first tho |
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| 22:17.04 | jhutchins_lt | lost_soul: That's an idea. |
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| 22:17.39 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: a better idea is http://www.google.com/chrome |
| 22:17.56 | jordanm | crash = crashed tab, not crashed browser |
| 22:18.32 | jhutchins_lt | jordanm: Which is not to say the browser itself can't crash. |
| 22:18.58 | lost_soul | jordanm: when is using another browser a better idea then fixing the one you used to use because it broke? |
| 22:19.04 | jordanm | right, but it hasn't happened to me since they way early days when it was sign-up only google-chrome-unstable |
| 22:19.08 | lost_soul | makes no sense, atleast to me |
| 22:19.19 | jordanm | lost_soul: that work-around you suggested is not a fix |
| 22:19.28 | jhutchins_lt | Strange, did that and still have my bookmarks. |
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| 22:19.39 | jordanm | fixing is better, when applicable |
| 22:19.52 | lost_soul | jordanm: your idea, isn't a fix either |
| 22:19.55 | lost_soul | :D |
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| 22:20.05 | lost_soul | his firefox still wouldn't work |
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| 22:20.34 | jordanm | but the need for iceweasel will be eliminated |
| 22:20.35 | nsadmin | installs firefix |
| 22:21.15 | lost_soul | jhutchins_lt: if you deleted the folder, your bookmarks shouldn't still be there. Thats a bit odd. |
| 22:21.25 | nsadmin | eliminAted how? |
| 22:21.41 | nsadmin | lost_soul, it probably converted them again from the old folder |
| 22:22.39 | lost_soul | nsadmin: maybe.. it didn't on mine but I copied over to the desktop.. deleted.. opened to make sure firefox worked again then imported |
| 22:22.52 | lost_soul | so maybe thats why it didn't do it for me |
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| 22:28.48 | Xeross | My server somehow became unreachable HTTP, FTP, SSH, etc. I checked the syslog and couldnt find anything, any other places I can look |
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| 22:31.53 | jhutchins_lt | lost_soul: Moved it, and I guess there's enough persistence that firefox still finds it's files. |
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| 22:32.36 | lost_soul | jhutchins_lt: thats weird.. did it atleast resolve the firefox issue like it did for me? |
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| 22:34.04 | jhutchins_lt | lost_soul: Hard to tell yet. |
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| 22:34.27 | jhutchins_lt | lost_soul: Haven't figured out any consistent trigger. |
| 22:34.30 | Infin1ty- | weird, apt-get update still try to connect to security.debian.org via ipv6 even though i have disabled ipv6 in /etc/modprobe.d/aliases (alias net-pf 10 off and alias ipv6 off) anything else i should look into? |
| 22:34.42 | lost_soul | jhutchins_lt: ah.. okies |
| 22:34.45 | lost_soul | gl with it |
| 22:35.18 | jhutchins_lt | lost_soul: I recently installed squeeze as a boot option, and for some reason suspend-on-lid-close started working, this seems related. |
| 22:36.09 | lost_soul | jhutchins_lt: weird.. always the little stuff that ends up being so annoying to resolve |
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| 22:36.17 | jhutchins_lt | Infin1ty-: Just for the heck of it you might try aptitude. |
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| 22:36.47 | Infin1ty- | jhutchins_lt, hmm, same, ipv6 :( |
| 22:36.58 | jhutchins_lt | lost_soul: Yeah, can't get a decent microphone signal on either this or the desktop, so gave up on google talk. |
| 22:37.22 | jhutchins_lt | Infin1ty-: You did reboot, right? Look in your sources list and see if there's anything suspicious. |
| 22:37.28 | nsadmin | maybe you can run a personal name server configured to throw out ipv6 responses |
| 22:37.33 | jhutchins_lt | Time to go feed the horses. |
| 22:37.37 | lost_soul | jhutchins_lt: have been considering messing with that myself |
| 22:37.42 | Infin1ty- | jhutchins_lt, i sure did, nothing weird there |
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| 22:41.21 | sanzilla | hi all |
| 22:41.27 | sanzilla | halo world! |
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| 22:41.47 | sanzilla | is anybody at <HoME>? |
| 22:42.06 | sanzilla | Halo! |
| 22:42.27 | nsadmin | I happen to be at home... but that's somewhat off topic :) |
| 22:42.34 | Infin1ty- | sysctl net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6=1 did the trick :) |
| 22:43.09 | sanzilla | oky something ontopic , could somebody give me a mirror to debain 3.0 I mean network install? or download .deb files? |
| 22:43.13 | sanzilla | or iso. |
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| 22:44.35 | nkuttler | !tell sanzilla about archive |
| 22:45.15 | sanzilla | !tell me archieve |
| 22:45.32 | sanzilla | I think someone killed the bot.:( |
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| 22:47.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | look at the other tab/window/whatea? |
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| 22:51.31 | streuner | dpkg, hi |
| 22:51.31 | dpkg | what's up, streuner |
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| 22:51.40 | ZenWalker | hi |
| 22:51.58 | ZenWalker | "aptitude purge package" = "dpkg -P package" ??? |
| 22:52.03 | streuner | sanzilla: it seems rather that the bot doesnt like you :-P |
| 22:53.07 | streuner | ZenWalker: do you want purge the configs of the package too? |
| 22:53.18 | ZenWalker | streuner: yes |
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| 22:53.29 | streuner | well, purge basically do that job |
| 22:53.47 | ZenWalker | and dpkg -P ¿? |
| 22:54.13 | sanzilla | hay you non-human dpkg: give me what to enter the input prompt Please enter directoryin which the mirror of the debian archive is located |
| 22:54.27 | sanzilla | dpkg: now |
| 22:54.27 | dpkg | THERE!!!... no - nevermind, ya missed it. |
| 22:54.31 | dbbolton | i am having trouble getting my custom kernel to boot without an initrd. i used the stock config from squeeze and built in the SATA and filesystem drivers |
| 22:54.45 | dbbolton | also it is the linux-source from squeeze |
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| 22:55.54 | streuner | ZenWalker: no idea about -P, i would use "purge" as option |
| 22:57.18 | ZenWalker | -P is --purge |
| 22:58.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | ZenWalker, they can be equivalent... aptitude will refuse to purge packages that aren't installed (well, apt-get did), dpkg --purge will not. aptitude will remove other packages that depend on the one you remove, while dpkg will remove the package and leave the system in a broken state |
| 23:00.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | if the package is installed AND you don't have other packages depend on the packages, they do the same |
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| 23:03.38 | ZenWalker | ok thanks |
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| 23:06.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | ZenWalker, aptitude purge actually calls dpkg ---purge |
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| 23:07.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | aptitude just cares about package dependencies and has nothing to do with the actual files, while dpkg is there for unpacking the packages into files etc |
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| 23:09.18 | broadring | hi everybody |
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| 23:09.34 | streuner | ZenWalker: why do you ask at all? |
| 23:09.38 | broadring | how can I see who connected to my machine via ssh ? |
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| 23:09.52 | streuner | w, who? |
| 23:09.55 | ZenWalker | aha, dpkg only purge the packages that the user puts |
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| 23:10.29 | broadring | streuner, not actaually (in the past ^^) |
| 23:10.48 | cast | broadring: last, logs |
| 23:10.56 | ZenWalker | streuner: curiosity |
| 23:11.00 | broadring | I can't find the right log file |
| 23:11.08 | broadring | can you tell me which one |
| 23:11.09 | streuner | ZenWalker: hm |
| 23:11.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | broadring, /var/log/auth.log? |
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| 23:11.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | messages, too if you have it configured that way |
| 23:11.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno if that's default |
| 23:11.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | I see ssh connects at least |
| 23:11.35 | broadring | ok, I'll verify |
| 23:11.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh noes... |
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| 23:12.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | taras! |
| 23:12.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | broadring, also, try "last" |
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| 23:13.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | (it reads /var/log/wtmp which is not human-readable) |
| 23:13.23 | broadring | Cueball, yes It figures in /var/log/auth.log |
| 23:13.27 | broadring | :) thanks |
| 23:13.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | tab completion of your client sucks, by the way |
| 23:14.33 | broadring | loool yes |
| 23:14.41 | broadring | you're right |
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| 23:15.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | I always am... it's rule #1 |
| 23:15.44 | broadring | :) |
| 23:15.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | rule #2 is, if CutMeOwnThroat is wrong, see rule #1 |
| 23:16.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | (obviously) |
| 23:16.40 | broadring | and how can I see all the commands typed from the remot machine in mine ?! |
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| 23:17.37 | moldovean | broadring, whats your real issue ? |
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| 23:18.48 | broadring | that's the second one the first was how to see if someone logged into my machine via ssh |
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| 23:19.23 | broadring | moldovean, now it's how can I check all the commands he typed when he was in ? |
| 23:19.47 | moldovean | see bash history |
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| 23:20.36 | broadring | moldovean, where ? |
| 23:20.40 | moldovean | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:21.08 | broadring | it which log file can I see those typed commands ? |
| 23:21.17 | broadring | that bash history |
| 23:21.24 | moldovean | cat /home/$User/.bash_history |
| 23:22.10 | broadring | oh thanks |
| 23:22.18 | broadring | vary much, I see them |
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| 23:36.07 | thepro4ever | how do i specify what location a tar file should be extracted to? |
| 23:36.43 | streuner | just use "mc" :-P |
| 23:36.56 | stew | thepro4ever: -C |
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| 23:42.31 | thepro4ever | stew: well thats kind of what i had in mind but i was hoping tar would also rename the extraction point to the argument. I want it extracted to a destination with a different name from the name of the archive file |
| 23:44.08 | cafuego | thepro4ever: you can make a dir, then have tar drop one dir level off the archive apth or you can just rename what it extracts. |
| 23:44.10 | nsadmin | or cd to the dir you want to extract into, and specify the tar file either as full-qualified or relative to the extraction pt |
| 23:45.08 | cafuego | thepro4ever: jan tra, see --strip-components |
| 23:45.21 | cafuego | eh, 'man tar' |
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| 23:45.45 | nsadmin | art naj? |
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| 23:46.17 | cafuego | nja rat |
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| 23:47.18 | taras | CutMeOwnThroat! |
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| 23:48.20 | streuner | cafuego: thats why i said "mc", otherwise i have to mention the man-page :-P |
| 23:48.20 | thepro4ever | yeah --strip looks interesting , my man page only describes it with "strips n components from path" but not how , does it start at the root? |
| 23:48.50 | cafuego | thepro4ever: yes |
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| 23:49.20 | cafuego | thepro4ever: So you'll want tar --strip-components=1 -C /some/new/nir/path xf file.tar.gz |
| 23:50.04 | cafuego | streuner: that's why i said "jan tra", otherwise i have to mention the man-page :-P |
| 23:50.36 | cafuego | pokes around on a new shell account |
| 23:50.53 | cafuego | Oh hi, 8 Xeons |
| 23:51.00 | streuner | hehe |
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| 23:54.59 | thepro4ever | -C doesn't create the directory for you!!!! rawwww |
| 23:55.11 | streuner | omg |
| 23:55.14 | cafuego | I don't think anyone ever said it did. |
| 23:57.49 | thepro4ever | i'm glad mkdir doesn't fail my script if the dir already exists so no biggy |
| 23:58.08 | cafuego | Of it did, 'man test' |
| 23:58.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | cos wrapping it in a test is hard *g* |
| 23:58.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | cafuego: beat me to it :) |
| 23:58.29 | cafuego | OHAI Kamping_Kaiser |
| 23:58.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | hehe |
| 23:58.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | allo |
| 23:59.14 | streuner | sounds french, they cannot speak H too :-) |
| 23:59.34 | cafuego | thepro4ever: Worse, Adelaidian. |
| 23:59.41 | cafuego | eh, streuner even |