| 00:00.09 | fas3r | i mean they dont use local dns server |
| 00:00.14 | cafuego | fas3r: 53 is usually not blocked; maybe you can run your ssh server on that |
| 00:00.16 | fas3r | but i not sure |
| 00:00.33 | fas3r | cafuego, ok i see |
| 00:00.48 | beardy | fas3r: You need more than iptables if you want to inspect on protocol (above OSI layer 4) and forward conditionally. |
| 00:02.02 | fas3r | beardy, in worst case i can shutdown apache for one night and use 80 |
| 00:02.15 | fas3r | but maybe its not a good things |
| 00:02.26 | fas3r | its why i ask you ^^ |
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| 00:05.01 | beardy | fas3r: You could (carefully) make a (as secured as possible) web application, that shuts apache down, starts ssh on port 80 for as long as you need and then brings apache back up. |
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| 00:06.50 | beardy | fas3r: Or maybe 445, then. The one least people use on your site(s). |
| 00:07.03 | fas3r | beardy, yes true |
| 00:07.11 | fas3r | i will try |
| 00:07.19 | fas3r | well thank for your help |
| 00:08.00 | fas3r | beardy, just to know you talk about inspect the protocol on the layer 4 .. have you a name of application to do that ? |
| 00:08.17 | beardy | Good luck, let us know if you succeed. Also scan yourself to see if you have other possible ports. |
| 00:08.44 | beardy | fas3r: Hmm.. don't know, maybe it could be hacked up using snort. |
| 00:09.17 | fas3r | beardy, ok i see |
| 00:09.20 | fas3r | well thank :D |
| 00:09.25 | fas3r | again ^^ |
| 00:09.33 | billy_ | i'm still trying to fix this nautilus trash files problem - it's part of a 6 year old bug - does that mean it's broken by design? |
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| 00:09.56 | beardy | fas3r: You're welcome. :) |
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| 00:10.11 | s5s | I have a problem with radeon. It crashes my system |
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| 00:11.33 | hatter_ | billy_, lol, no it means its a feature :) |
| 00:12.43 | bint | whats a good and easy to install ftpd for debian? |
| 00:12.43 | billy_ | hatter_: good one :) |
| 00:12.49 | bint | i'm used to filezilla-server on windows |
| 00:12.53 | bint | something similar would be nice |
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| 00:14.03 | beardy | bint: Why not filezilla then, if you like it. |
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| 00:14.15 | bint | there is no filezilla-server |
| 00:14.25 | bint | for linux |
| 00:14.30 | bint | only the client |
| 00:16.45 | beardy | Oh. |
| 00:17.04 | beardy | !ftpmustdie |
| 00:17.04 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie . If you really just want to provide anonymous download of files, use HTTP: http://daniel.haxx.se/docs/ftp-vs-http.html |
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| 00:20.16 | hatter_ | what do you recommend as the best nic to use in linux ? I have been using cheap realteks but they seem to die slowly after a few years |
| 00:20.58 | abrotman | hatter_: that's not really an OS question .. i've used netgears though, they seem to hold up |
| 00:21.30 | hatter_ | abrotman, i have a feeling they use a realtek chip... |
| 00:21.50 | abrotman | hatter_: uhm .. not the ones i have (they're 100mb, not Gb) |
| 00:22.07 | hatter_ | but you are right, not an OS question, i might ask a forum, thx |
| 00:22.25 | abrotman | hatter_: i just bought a box of them to replace some DEC NICs that I was using |
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| 00:22.32 | hatter_ | which driver are they using ? |
| 00:23.30 | s5s | hey guys I am running squeeze but due to some driver problems I fear I might have downloaded and installed packages from sid. Is there a way to run a check on package versions? |
| 00:24.04 | abrotman | hatter_: which ones? the DECs or the Netgears? |
| 00:24.34 | peterrooney | hatter_: perhaps ##hardware can advise you |
| 00:24.48 | abrotman | hatter_: i think the ones i have use pcnet32 |
| 00:24.56 | beardy | hatter_: Many people say Intel. |
| 00:25.11 | peterrooney | s5s: apt-cache policy <package> for individual packages. |
| 00:25.17 | abrotman | yes, the onboard intel ones i have are pretty good .. i don't think i have any discrete intel NICs |
| 00:26.05 | hatter_ | peterrooney, thx, i havent been to this channel |
| 00:26.13 | s5s | peterrooney: apart from /var/log/aptitude is there a different more verbose log? |
| 00:26.34 | abrotman | /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 00:27.34 | s5s | if I purge a package how can I purge all dependencies as well? not remove them - purge them |
| 00:28.01 | hatter_ | i have experienced faulty nic's working on all the internet except for one site, which takes a while to diagnose the problem as a nic, is there any software for testing partially faulty nic's ? |
| 00:28.06 | s5s | As far as I can see aptitude just removes them. |
| 00:28.07 | abrotman | s5s: aptitude will remove them |
| 00:28.17 | abrotman | s5s: aptitude purge '~c' IIRC |
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| 00:28.38 | zcat[1] | use apt-get and it will tell you what packages are redundent, then apt-get remove --purge those packages |
| 00:29.05 | s5s | abrotman: if I purge I've heard that sometimes aptitude will remove config files and then if you reinstall it will not install them afresh. Is that true? |
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| 00:29.30 | abrotman | s5s: if it is purged, it should reinstall them .. so it sounds like whoever told you that purged the wrong package |
| 00:29.45 | zcat[1] | s5s: if you purge, it should do whatever it would do if those packages had never been installed at all, I think |
| 00:30.39 | abrotman | !tell s5s about confmiss |
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| 00:33.15 | hatter_ | do you think its conceivable for an app to be able test a nic's functionality or partial faultiness ? |
| 00:33.53 | KB1JWQ | hatter_: Sure. |
| 00:34.47 | patriick | Ironhand: i need to mount a usb drive in debian console so i run a tar.gz file |
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| 00:36.29 | patriick | so i can run a ^ * |
| 00:36.51 | hatter_ | KB1JWQ, hmmm, then its probably been done, might go and search freshmeat... |
| 00:36.56 | newsense | hey i got a kernel i removed and it is still in my grub2 menu, what's hhe correct way to remove it ? |
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| 00:37.54 | zcat[1] | newsense: how did you remove it? |
| 00:37.55 | abrotman | update-grub ? |
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| 00:38.34 | KB1JWQ | hatter_: What's the real world problem you're trying to solve? |
| 00:38.34 | newsense | zcat[1]: aptitude purge |
| 00:38.55 | newsense | abrotman: tried that, still there |
| 00:38.58 | zcat[1] | newsense: well, that SHOULD remove it from grub2 as well, update-grub gets run automatically |
| 00:39.09 | abrotman | newsense: sounds like it hasn't been removed |
| 00:39.26 | newsense | abrotman: no sorry i ran grub-update, my mistake |
| 00:39.32 | newsense | or something similar |
| 00:39.46 | zcat[1] | newsense: Are you sure the kernel package has been removed? |
| 00:39.54 | newsense | i think that worked, said it was updatinf the grub.cfg |
| 00:39.58 | newsense | zcat[1]: yes |
| 00:40.07 | newsense | dpkg -l |grep linux-image |
| 00:40.07 | dpkg | No packages found matching |grep linux-image |
| 00:40.12 | newsense | oops |
| 00:40.14 | newsense | sorry |
| 00:40.21 | newsense | forgot about dpkg the bot |
| 00:40.33 | hatter_ | KB1JWQ, a client has a server with two nics, there is one website that will not always work, it works everywhere else, its not a DNS problem, I have experienced this a few years ago and when i changed the nic the problem was solved, so I am going to try a new nic in this one, it would be nice if i could run some s/w to tell me it is or isnt the nic before i go |
| 00:40.50 | newsense | thanks abrotman i am sure that worked |
| 00:41.08 | abrotman | okay! |
| 00:41.20 | newsense | just can't reboot right this second |
| 00:41.22 | newsense | :) |
| 00:41.37 | zcat[1] | newsense: less /boot/grub/grub.conf ? |
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| 00:42.20 | newsense | zcat[1]: yeah it's gone, thanks |
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| 00:42.40 | zcat[1] | cfg sorry; grep menuentry /boot/grub/grub.cfg ;) |
| 00:42.42 | newsense | i was looking for menu.lst or grub.conf and it was grub.cfg |
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| 00:43.37 | zcat[1] | newsense: cool.. aptitude should have run update-grub automagically after removing hte package, but meh... |
| 00:43.50 | newsense | zcat[1]: usually does |
| 00:43.56 | newsense | just not this time |
| 00:43.58 | newsense | haha |
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| 00:47.55 | fas3r | can i exclude a package during the apt-get dist-upgrade ? because apt dont want upgrade udev because my kernel dont have the option CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED. can i exclude the update of udev ? |
| 00:48.19 | streuner | no |
| 00:48.36 | streuner | you need to use an older kernel |
| 00:49.00 | abrotman | fas3r: is your metapackage for your kernel installed ? |
| 00:49.20 | fas3r | abrotman, metapackage ? |
| 00:49.27 | streuner | !metapackage |
| 00:49.28 | dpkg | i heard metapackage is a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get/aptitude command line. The version of a metapackage can be misleading -- look at what it depends on instead (see the kde metapackage for an example). |
| 00:49.43 | fas3r | sorry to disturb you all time with my problem ... : / |
| 00:49.51 | streuner | we are here for you |
| 00:50.16 | fas3r | well its the kernel by default |
| 00:50.21 | fas3r | so i guess yes |
| 00:50.29 | streuner | fas3r: you will ge lots of headaches without newer udev version |
| 00:50.32 | abrotman | fas3r: what is your current kernel ? |
| 00:50.38 | fas3r | 2.6.26 |
| 00:50.46 | fas3r | -2.amd64 |
| 00:50.46 | abrotman | what is uname -r |
| 00:50.54 | abrotman | is linux-image-2.6-amd64 installed ? |
| 00:51.00 | fas3r | 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Thu Aug 19 00:37:36 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 00:51.31 | streuner | fas3r: whats the reason why you dont want newer udev? |
| 00:51.45 | HermanDE | anybody know if OpenSSH supports dns srv records? |
| 00:52.02 | abrotman | streuner: the lenny->squeeze freaks out |
| 00:52.09 | streuner | hm |
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| 00:52.26 | fas3r | streuner, yes yes i want it its just during the apt-get dist-upgrade i got an error about it .. so i prefer upgrade the rest before and fix this problem after |
| 00:54.25 | fas3r | abrotman, well in fact to install this package i need to update udev ... |
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| 00:54.53 | abrotman | !squeeze udev |
| 00:54.54 | dpkg | As of <udev> 150 in squeeze, Linux kernel 2.6.27 or newer is required (i.e. upgrade kernel and udev at the same time). If udev installation fails and you already have a squeeze kernel installed, then reboot into the new kernel and "aptitude -f install ; aptitude safe-upgrade" to continue. See also <squeeze kernel>, <kernel abi>, http://bugs.debian.org/571255 |
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| 00:55.23 | streuner | judd, versions udev |
| 00:55.24 | judd | udev -- etch: 0.105-4etch1; etch-security: 0.105-4etch1; lenny-security: 0.125-7+lenny1; lenny: 0.125-7+lenny3; squeeze: 160-1; sid: 161-1 |
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| 00:56.13 | rmacd_ | I've a small question about RADIUS (I'm using freeradius on lenny), would this be the place to ask? |
| 00:56.25 | hatter_ | what can i do to see the the brand of a hard drive attached to sdb ? |
| 00:56.25 | johntramp | hi. I have my router forwarding tcp port 4130 to my desktop pc 10.0.0.204 and i want to forward that port onto another computer using ip 10.0.1.9 but can't get iptables to do that. is anyone able to help me out? |
| 00:56.47 | patriick | ok i got the usb to mount and im' able to access the files (finally!) but how do run the installer i tried "install -T dir1 dir2" and it keeps saying cannot overwrite directory |
| 00:56.49 | streuner | hatter_: using smartmontools? |
| 00:57.13 | streuner | hatter_: or try lshw |
| 00:57.35 | fas3r | abrotman, so i need to recompil a kernel from kernel.org and active the option |
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| 00:57.44 | abrotman | fas3r: no .. that's just silly |
| 00:57.55 | abrotman | fas3r: moment |
| 00:58.05 | abrotman | fas3r: you never told me if it was installed or not |
| 00:59.00 | fas3r | abrotman, you talk about linux-image-2.6-amd64 ? |
| 00:59.05 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:59.08 | fas3r | no its not |
| 00:59.09 | hatter_ | streuner, lshw did the trick, thx |
| 00:59.20 | streuner | np |
| 01:00.49 | abrotman | fas3r: can you change your sources back to lenny and install it ? |
| 01:01.05 | fas3r | i can try |
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| 01:03.05 | fas3r | abrotman, ok its done |
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| 01:03.29 | abrotman | fas3r: now change back to squeeze, aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade |
| 01:03.39 | fas3r | abrotman, oki |
| 01:03.56 | abrotman | waits for themill to have a heart attack :) |
| 01:04.28 | streuner | !seen themill |
| 01:04.28 | dpkg | themill is currently on #debian-ops #debian. Has said a total of 7 messages. Is idling for 4h 50m 44s, last said: 'dpkg: tell chazz about installed'. |
| 01:04.52 | fas3r | abrotman, in progress |
| 01:05.15 | streuner | you have to wait till tomorrow, its late in europe :-) |
| 01:06.07 | streuner | Mo 30. Aug 03:05:46 CEST 2010 |
| 01:06.32 | abrotman | maybe |
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| 01:09.24 | fas3r | abrotman, i need to reboot when its done and i relaunch the command aptitude full-upgrade ? |
| 01:09.40 | fas3r | to finish the upgrade ? |
| 01:09.42 | abrotman | see what the bot said above |
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| 01:10.24 | fas3r | !squeeze udev ? |
| 01:10.24 | dpkg | As of <udev> 150 in squeeze, Linux kernel 2.6.27 or newer is required (i.e. upgrade kernel and udev at the same time). If udev installation fails and you already have a squeeze kernel installed, then reboot into the new kernel and "aptitude -f install ; aptitude safe-upgrade" to continue. See also <squeeze kernel>, <kernel abi>, http://bugs.debian.org/571255 |
| 01:10.35 | fas3r | this one ? |
| 01:11.13 | streuner | yes |
| 01:11.24 | fas3r | oki thank |
| 01:13.45 | fas3r | ok i come back |
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| 01:13.57 | streuner | good luck |
| 01:14.04 | fas3r | :D |
| 01:14.07 | abrotman | !bless fas3r |
| 01:14.07 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child fas3r, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 01:14.32 | fas3r | :D |
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| 01:34.32 | dz2 | what's the name of a good packet sniffer? |
| 01:35.07 | KB1JWQ | Wireshark. TCPdump. |
| 01:35.11 | KB1JWQ | There's two. |
| 01:36.05 | dz2 | ta |
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| 01:48.53 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
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| 01:51.22 | ShapeShifter499 | I've been using yoono a multi social client addon for firefox and have just noticed that there is a linux desktop client WOOT !! but when I downloaded everything is all ready there no need to "install" anything so is it ok I take the yoono directory and drop it into /opt? |
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| 01:52.59 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps for somereason one of my servers keeps losing its routes and i have to keep adding it |
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| 01:53.26 | ShadeS | i have /etc/network/interfaces with eth1 defined with an ip netmask network broadcast and gateway (same as ip because i'm setting up a dhcpserver tied to eth1) |
| 01:53.33 | ShadeS | when i ifconfig eth1 up eth1 goes up but I don't seen an ip there |
| 01:53.37 | ShadeS | what gives |
| 01:53.46 | abrotman | Eryn_1983_FL: is it DHCP ? |
| 01:53.51 | Eryn_1983_FL | no static |
| 01:54.00 | Eryn_1983_FL | i got gw set in the interfaces as well |
| 01:54.00 | abrotman | ShapeShifter499: uhm .. no |
| 01:54.16 | abrotman | ShapeShifter499: wait .. is it packaged for debian ? |
| 01:54.43 | abrotman | ShapeShifter499: pidgin can do what yoono does |
| 01:55.34 | ShadeS | nevermind |
| 01:55.42 | ShadeS | /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 01:55.47 | ShapeShifter499 | abrotman, I like how it worked in firefox |
| 01:56.02 | ShapeShifter499 | abrotman, iceweasel |
| 01:56.09 | abrotman | except you want to use the desktop version? |
| 01:56.13 | ShapeShifter499 | yes |
| 01:56.23 | abrotman | but then it wouldn't be in firefox .. |
| 01:56.35 | ShapeShifter499 | so I have updates regardless of having a browser up or not |
| 01:57.03 | abrotman | i'm sure it has a README or something that yu can look at to see what they suggest when installing it |
| 01:58.06 | ShapeShifter499 | no read me, the download comes as a compressed tar.bz2 and when decompressed it is a directory with everything needed inside just run the yoono file |
| 01:59.05 | ShapeShifter499 | and I want to put it somewhere so I though /opt would be a ok place since things like chromium get put there |
| 01:59.12 | ShapeShifter499 | *thought |
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| 02:01.51 | ShapeShifter499 | abrotman, so? |
| 02:02.10 | abrotman | it's up to you .. put it wherever you want |
| 02:02.44 | ShapeShifter499 | ok but could I run into problems sticking it into /opt? |
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| 02:06.00 | ShapeShifter499 | never mind..... |
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| 02:07.32 | I_Died_Once | ok, so i have a problem with transcode to convert files... i googled a solution and this guy here is saying something about a patch |
| 02:07.37 | I_Died_Once | here is the excerpt |
| 02:07.39 | I_Died_Once | http://planetmofo.pastebin.com/iYeVkJgv |
| 02:08.10 | I_Died_Once | everyone said it works, but i'm at a loss of how exactly to I go about applying whatever patch it is they're talking about? |
| 02:09.26 | ymeng | hello 2 all, i want to install debian lenny 505 to ibm x3550 m3,but cannot found drives, any help? tks! |
| 02:09.44 | [gnubie] | hello all.. anyone here uses rsnapshot? is it possible in rsnapshot to push the backup to a remote server via ssh? meaning, can i have this kind of line below? |
| 02:09.46 | [gnubie] | backup /etc user@host.domain.com:/backup/etc |
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| 02:10.30 | phorce1_home | why would an ATA drive show up as /dev/sda? I just noticed that on this machine. Shouldn't it be /dev/hda? |
| 02:11.19 | abrotman | phorce1_home: i think they all switched over |
| 02:11.32 | abrotman | ymeng: you might want to try the kmuto installer, /msg dpkg kmuto |
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| 02:11.44 | bleakgadfly | Will there be any difference between installing Squeeze from "scratch" when it gets released and just adding Squeeze in sources.list and do apt-get upgrade? |
| 02:12.24 | nevyn | phorce1_home: becuase ata got enough features that it was easier to use a common block layer and libata uses the scsi layer to get features like command queing hotplug etc |
| 02:12.34 | nevyn | queueing |
| 02:12.44 | swoody | bleakgadfly: there shouldn't be, unless you have a different set of packages installed than what comes with Debian OOTB |
| 02:12.48 | nevyn | phorce1_home: only PATA disks are /dev/hda |
| 02:12.52 | abrotman | !libata |
| 02:12.52 | dpkg | libata is a Linux library supporting ATA controllers and devices. Devices handled by libata appear as SCSI devices with associated device names: 'sd' (hard drive, instead of 'hd'), 'sr' (optical), 'st' (tape). The old IDE (PATA) drivers are replaced with libata in Debian kernel images as of linux-2.6 2.6.32-10, see /usr/share/doc/linux-image-2.6.32-*5*/NEWS.Debian.gz. http://ata.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Libata_FAQ . See also <uuid>. |
| 02:13.29 | phorce1_home | nevyn: this *is* a PATA disk. 40 pin connector and all |
| 02:13.31 | swoody | bleakgadfly: you can even install squueze now, and once it's released as 'stable' you'll already have a squeeze system |
| 02:13.36 | ymeng | abrotman: thank you! |
| 02:13.57 | bleakgadfly | That's what I am doing at the moment, swoody |
| 02:14.08 | swoody | bleakgadfly: very nice and me too :) |
| 02:14.12 | bleakgadfly | Just hoping that something doesn't break :) |
| 02:14.37 | bleakgadfly | It has been going for 15-20 minutes now |
| 02:14.40 | swoody | well there's always a chance of breaking with dist-upgrade, but it's not *very* likely |
| 02:14.44 | bleakgadfly | 700+ packages needed upgrading |
| 02:15.08 | swoody | or rather with *any* upgrade |
| 02:15.20 | phorce1_home | nevyn: got enough of an answer though. Thx. Just wondering because PATA showed up as sdx on this machine but as hdx on my other Lenny machine. This one is running a bpo .32 kernel and the other is not |
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| 02:15.42 | nevyn | phorce1_home: abrotman knows all |
| 02:15.58 | bleakgadfly | Haven't run dist-upgrade yet, swoody |
| 02:16.42 | swoody | bleakgadfly: but check your sources file, if it's labelled as 'squeeze' instead of 'testing' then it'll keep pulling from squeeze when it's released as 'stable' |
| 02:16.54 | swoody | (which is the way it's setup by default) |
| 02:17.14 | swoody | you won't notice anything in the transition |
| 02:17.48 | bleakgadfly | I think I changed it to squeeze |
| 02:17.50 | bleakgadfly | Not testing |
| 02:17.51 | abrotman | nevyn: i do ? |
| 02:17.58 | nevyn | well dpkg does ;) |
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| 02:18.16 | abrotman | only knows he hsa to ask nevyn for that libata flag for the kernel |
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| 02:20.17 | nevyn | you're more uptodate on parallel ata than I am. |
| 02:20.20 | nsadmin | bleakgadfly, that's probably a good thing... it means: you will CHOOSE when to move from squeeze, instead of BEING SURPRISED by a sudden upgrade to somethign else |
| 02:20.47 | nevyn | nsadmin: that's unpossible ;) |
| 02:20.55 | bleakgadfly | Not bad :) |
| 02:21.06 | bleakgadfly | Seems like I am getting an error on dist-upgrade |
| 02:21.10 | bleakgadfly | or two, actually |
| 02:21.39 | abrotman | nevyn: no, you used to know some flag (i think it was you), about libata.something=2 |
| 02:21.46 | nsadmin | did you first upgrade some individual stuff, like dpkg, apt-get and aptitude? |
| 02:22.12 | nsadmin | nevyn: what's unpossible? I said alotta stuffs! |
| 02:23.12 | bleakgadfly | Not really, nsadmin. |
| 02:23.32 | bleakgadfly | I get an error on two packages when doing apt-get dist-upgrade, but apt-get upgrade gives me *ALOT* of packages being "kept back" |
| 02:23.58 | bleakgadfly | Among other, something I think will make an error once I reboot: xserver-xorg-video-sis |
| 02:24.00 | nsadmin | oh, ok... hold off for a sec |
| 02:24.37 | nsadmin | try this... apt-get install dpkg apt aptitude |
| 02:24.52 | nsadmin | you might get an error, not sure what the apt-get name is |
| 02:24.58 | nsadmin | , versions apt |
| 02:24.59 | judd | apt -- etch: 0.6.46.4-0.1+etch1; etch-security: 0.6.46.4-0.1+etch1; lenny-security: 0.7.20.2+lenny1; lenny: 0.7.20.2+lenny2; squeeze-security: 0.7.20.2+squeeze1; squeeze: 0.7.25.3; sid: 0.8.0 |
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| 02:25.08 | nsadmin | ok, that should be goog |
| 02:25.12 | nevyn | being supprised by a sudden version upgrade because you've used testing or stable in your source files |
| 02:25.17 | bleakgadfly | Get an error on aptitude, nsadmin |
| 02:25.24 | bleakgadfly | dpkg and apt says it is current version |
| 02:25.24 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, bleakgadfly |
| 02:25.30 | bleakgadfly | Me too. |
| 02:25.41 | nsadmin | what error on aptitude? |
| 02:26.00 | bleakgadfly | aptitude : Avhenger av: libapt-pkg-libc6.9-6-4.8 |
| 02:26.05 | bleakgadfly | Change "Avhenger av" to "Depends on" |
| 02:26.32 | bleakgadfly | If it weren't for that the language was in Norwegian, I could have CP-ed the whole output in pastebin |
| 02:26.42 | nsadmin | oh, try this |
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| 02:27.01 | nsadmin | LANG=C aptitude install aptitude |
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| 02:27.55 | nsadmin | the LANG=C will get the messages in english |
| 02:27.57 | bleakgadfly | Didn't work. Did you mean: "export LANG=C" and "apt-get install aptitude"? |
| 02:28.01 | nsadmin | no |
| 02:28.10 | nsadmin | why didn't work? |
| 02:28.24 | bleakgadfly | Because aptitude isn't installed |
| 02:28.31 | nsadmin | oh, not installed at all |
| 02:28.38 | nsadmin | ok, try this... |
| 02:29.16 | nsadmin | hmm. before I continue I need more info |
| 02:29.28 | nsadmin | cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 02:29.51 | bleakgadfly | squeeze/sid |
| 02:30.06 | nsadmin | what were you coming from? |
| 02:30.18 | bleakgadfly | Lenny. My case is maybe a bit special. |
| 02:30.32 | nsadmin | ok, let's try... |
| 02:30.41 | abrotman | and what happens if he tries to install apt-get ? |
| 02:30.45 | abrotman | erm .. aptitude |
| 02:31.04 | nsadmin | it's uptodate (apt) |
| 02:31.04 | bleakgadfly | abrotman: If I try to install aptitude with apt-get I get a dependency error |
| 02:31.17 | abrotman | bleakgadfly: apt-get update && apt-get install aptitude ? |
| 02:31.30 | bleakgadfly | Have tried it, but can do it again |
| 02:32.15 | nsadmin | I was thinking, what if he tries to get libapt-pkg-libc6.9-6-4.8 |
| 02:32.16 | bleakgadfly | Get the same error |
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| 02:32.39 | abrotman | do we actually know the text of the error ? |
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| 02:32.47 | nsadmin | before you try that... |
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| 02:33.33 | bleakgadfly | Build it manually, nsadmin ? |
| 02:33.35 | bleakgadfly | Or with dpkg? |
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| 02:34.05 | nsadmin | yeah, install aptitude from lenny, from the .deb |
| 02:34.09 | nsadmin | see what happens |
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| 02:34.19 | nsadmin | where can you download the .deb... |
| 02:34.54 | bleakgadfly | packages.debian.org |
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| 02:35.40 | nsadmin | http://packages.debian.org/stable/admin/aptitude |
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| 02:36.26 | nsadmin | cause we gotta get you something that's actually good at creating dep resolution solutions |
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| 02:37.33 | bleakgadfly | Hmm |
| 02:37.54 | bleakgadfly | that packages is a virtual package |
| 02:37.57 | bleakgadfly | for apt |
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| 02:38.11 | bleakgadfly | Or do you want me to get the whole aptitude package from lenny? |
| 02:38.24 | nsadmin | from lenny, yes |
| 02:38.31 | johnfg | jhutchins, You still here? |
| 02:39.10 | johnfg | So, where in the /etc/default/grub did you put the lines, or where would you put them for lenny on sdb? |
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| 02:40.08 | nsadmin | bleakgadfly what's your arch |
| 02:40.16 | bleakgadfly | nsadmin: getting another dependency error while trying to install aptitude from stable with dpkg |
| 02:40.17 | bleakgadfly | mipsel |
| 02:40.52 | nsadmin | are you running with LANG=C at the start of the line? |
| 02:41.23 | nsadmin | what dep error? |
| 02:41.42 | bleakgadfly | Yeah, I am. |
| 02:41.54 | bleakgadfly | aptitude needs libapt-pkg-libc6.7-6-4.6 |
| 02:42.07 | nsadmin | ok try installing that from apt-get |
| 02:42.13 | bleakgadfly | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:42.35 | nsadmin | we should actually try this... |
| 02:42.38 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps can you help me wqith cron my backups are not going |
| 02:42.40 | Eryn_1983_FL | */10 * * * * /bin/tar -cjvf /media/Backup/${HOSTNAME}/backup.day.`date +%Y-%m-%d`.tar.bz2 -X /home/AMPHIPOLIS/erin/bin/exclude.txt /etc /root /home 1>> /var/log/backup.log 2>> /var/log/backup.err & |
| 02:42.59 | nsadmin | go into your sources.list |
| 02:43.09 | nsadmin | change all squeeze to lenny |
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| 02:43.13 | ZenWalker | hi |
| 02:43.17 | nsadmin | run apt-get update |
| 02:43.23 | nsadmin | then apt-get install aptitude |
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| 02:43.52 | ZenWalker | how many time a package sid to testing? |
| 02:44.11 | nsadmin | (use LANG=C at all starts of lines for messages posted here to make sense) |
| 02:44.29 | nsadmin | as many time as it stops having bug reports |
| 02:44.31 | abrotman | ZenWalker: huh ? |
| 02:44.57 | ZenWalker | ok, thanks |
| 02:45.42 | ZenWalker | I waiting for gnash 0.8.8 |
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| 02:47.09 | abrotman | judd: versions gnash |
| 02:47.11 | judd | gnash -- etch-backports: 0.8.2-2~bpo40+1; lenny: 0.8.4-3~lenny1; squeeze: 0.8.7-3; experimental: 0.8.8-1; sid: 0.8.8-2 |
| 02:47.35 | abrotman | likes that the one in experimental is older than the one in sid |
| 02:47.37 | bleakgadfly | nsadmin: Have updated to lenny, all with LANG=C, doing apt-get install aptitude and getting the same dependency errors |
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| 02:48.24 | phorce1_home | ZenWalker: testing is 'frozen' now. no new packages. 0.8.8 will never be in squeeze |
| 02:48.38 | abrotman | it might be .. they can push it through |
| 02:48.40 | nsadmin | apt-get install libapt-pkg-libc6.7-6-4.6 |
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| 02:48.56 | abrotman | and in the case of osmething like gnash, they might do that |
| 02:49.00 | abrotman | !why is gnash not in testing |
| 02:49.00 | dpkg | gnash is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=gnash |
| 02:49.19 | bleakgadfly | nsadmin: E: Package 'libapt-pkg-libc6.7-6-4.6' has no installation candidate |
| 02:49.37 | johnfg | I tried one more thing in the 40_custom file, but it still isn't adding (update-grub) the entries properly for lenny. |
| 02:49.43 | nsadmin | pastebin your sources.list |
| 02:49.51 | phorce1_home | generally only if there's something that makes it REALLY special as opposed to the current version |
| 02:49.53 | bleakgadfly | Will do |
| 02:50.53 | bleakgadfly | nsadmin: http://paste.debian.net/86610/ |
| 02:52.09 | nsadmin | try: apt-get install apt |
| 02:52.56 | bleakgadfly | It says it is already at the newest version |
| 02:53.19 | nsadmin | dpkg -s apt | grep Version |
| 02:53.19 | dpkg | Package: apt | grep Version: Status: install ok installed |
| 02:53.44 | bleakgadfly | Version: 0.8.0 |
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| 02:55.00 | moldovean | version apt sid: 0.8.0 |
| 02:55.21 | bleakgadfly | Hey moldovean |
| 02:55.30 | nsadmin | , versions apt |
| 02:55.32 | judd | apt -- etch: 0.6.46.4-0.1+etch1; etch-security: 0.6.46.4-0.1+etch1; lenny-security: 0.7.20.2+lenny1; lenny: 0.7.20.2+lenny2; squeeze-security: 0.7.20.2+squeeze1; squeeze: 0.7.25.3; sid: 0.8.0 |
| 02:56.06 | bleakgadfly | , versions aptitude |
| 02:56.07 | judd | aptitude -- etch: 0.4.4-4; lenny: 0.4.11.11-1~lenny1; squeeze: 0.6.3-3; sid: 0.6.3-3.1 |
| 02:56.12 | nsadmin | you didn't say that before, that sid is involved |
| 02:56.17 | bleakgadfly | I didn't know it was |
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| 02:56.59 | nsadmin | so you must have a lenny/squeeze/sid mix now |
| 02:57.10 | bleakgadfly | Hah |
| 02:57.12 | bleakgadfly | Doesn't sound very good |
| 02:57.24 | bleakgadfly | Maybe it would be easier with a clean install |
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| 02:57.44 | nsadmin | so you'd actually be willing to do that? |
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| 02:57.59 | bleakgadfly | Well, I was hoping I didn't have to. |
| 02:58.07 | abrotman | you probably don't have to |
| 02:58.10 | bleakgadfly | I am running on Lemote machines |
| 02:58.13 | johnfg | So what is sid if squeeze == testing? |
| 02:58.13 | bleakgadfly | The Loongson platform |
| 02:58.21 | nsadmin | unstable |
| 02:58.22 | bleakgadfly | It takes more of a "effort" to install Debian here |
| 02:58.30 | abrotman | johnfg: unstable, sid is awlays unstable |
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| 02:58.39 | nsadmin | sid is unstable no matter what == testing |
| 02:58.55 | bleakgadfly | sid is the "developers branch" if I have understood correctly |
| 02:58.58 | johnfg | ok, thanks. Any thoughts on my grub2 problem? |
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| 03:02.03 | johnfg | Am gonna reboot, I just found something that might make lenny boot... |
| 03:02.53 | ZenWalker | thanks all |
| 03:02.55 | bleakgadfly | And I am going to get 2 hours sleep before work ;) Thanks for your time, nsadmin :) |
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| 03:05.38 | User_007 | How can i put a new videon on my ipod? Rhythmbox ignores my videos on lib... |
| 03:05.58 | User_007 | i can copy from ipod to Linux, but not from linux to PC |
| 03:06.27 | Cisien | um... linux runs on a pc? |
| 03:06.41 | nsadmin | bleakgadfly: np... in the future for debian you should be more careful about what versions of things you install... having said that, I'm increasingly seeing that as a weakness... but as long as you stick to that you'll have a fairly good experience |
| 03:06.47 | User_007 | yes |
| 03:06.57 | nsadmin | linux runs on which pc? |
| 03:07.18 | User_007 | nsadmin, my pc... |
| 03:07.49 | User_007 | ops sorry, |
| 03:07.52 | User_007 | i can copy from ipod to Linux, but not from linux to Ipod |
| 03:07.54 | nsadmin | Cisien: linux started out running on pcs (386 and above) |
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| 03:08.47 | johnfg | Well, if I can't get grub2 right, I guess I'll have to go back to a different distro so I can boot lenny :-( |
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| 03:09.28 | johnfg | Squeeze looks real good, but grub2's pretty disappointing, nonintuitive, blah, blah, blah. |
| 03:09.30 | nsadmin | Cisien, linux-0.0.1 is intel only |
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| 03:09.41 | moldovean | johnfg, see #grub |
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| 03:15.12 | patriick | how do i go about getting my 2nd harddrive to work on debain? i have 30gb master that i installed it on and the 40gb slave is empty (i think) |
| 03:16.00 | kylemcgill | patriick: mount it? |
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| 03:17.11 | tharkun | Up to lenny the way to make the system speaker shut up permanentley was to blacklist the pc-speaker module, how is it done in squeeze ? It is driving me nuts :| |
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| 03:18.11 | kylemcgill | tharkun: lol you could unplug the the speaker in the case, then you will never ever hear from it ever again |
| 03:18.21 | kylemcgill | in any version of linux |
| 03:18.27 | kylemcgill | or any other os |
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| 03:19.13 | tharkun | kylemcgill: Well for a nice prank that would be it, but somehow it makes this horrible noise using the sound card :) |
| 03:19.45 | Cisien | is your terminal program making the noise? |
| 03:20.17 | tharkun | Cisien: the initial xdm does a ping and the terminal whenever i use the tab key will ping again |
| 03:20.49 | moldovean | !beep |
| 03:20.49 | dpkg | beep is, like, echo -ne 'a', or aptitude install beep, or ask me about <bell>, <qotd89>. For the audio player, ask me about <bmp>. For the protocol framework, see http://beepcore.org/ |
| 03:20.52 | Cisien | i know nothing about the linux UI's |
| 03:21.06 | tharkun | moldovean: thx |
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| 03:25.40 | johnfg | Is there a way to reconfigure grub with debconf? |
| 03:25.52 | johnfg | To pretty much start over? |
| 03:26.27 | johnfg | Over in grub, they're saying that I should have run grub-install, not update-grub. |
| 03:26.45 | johnfg | grub.cfg is kind of a mess, thus the question about a reconfig. |
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| 03:30.51 | Stmeter | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:30.51 | Stmeter | failed! |
| 03:31.20 | Stmeter | What should I do? |
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| 03:33.25 | nsadmin | Stmeter: have a steak n prawn dinner? |
| 03:33.40 | Stmeter | Funny :) |
| 03:34.24 | Stmeter | nadmin: Any idea what I should do about the error I'm getting? ;) |
| 03:35.34 | nsadmin | I'd go with chives and sour cream on the baked potato... |
| 03:35.42 | nsadmin | no, seriously tho.. |
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| 03:36.13 | nsadmin | first, how did you install apache |
| 03:36.29 | Stmeter | I didn't install it with apache |
| 03:36.41 | Stmeter | I installed the library with. apt-get install libgcrypt-dev libgcrypt11-dev libgcrypt11 libgcrypt11-dbg libgcrypt11-doc |
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| 03:36.46 | nsadmin | not my question :) |
| 03:36.56 | Stmeter | It's not just apache that's giving out the error though, it's my IRCd. |
| 03:36.57 | nsadmin | first, how did you install apache |
| 03:37.15 | Stmeter | The other tech on the server did, let me ask. |
| 03:37.19 | nsadmin | so your ircd wants that lib too? |
| 03:37.24 | Stmeter | Yep |
| 03:37.50 | nsadmin | so another question would be, how did you install the ircd |
| 03:37.57 | Stmeter | Compiled from the source |
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| 03:38.34 | Stmeter | To answer your question about apache, apt-get install apache2 |
| 03:38.51 | nsadmin | so if you compiled it from source, then you must have successfully linked the ircd (or one of its modules) with the lib in question |
| 03:38.59 | Stmeter | Yes, it was working fine yesterday. |
| 03:39.08 | nsadmin | so you must have somehow installed the lib in question |
| 03:39.17 | Stmeter | Yep |
| 03:39.19 | nsadmin | which lib and how was it installed? |
| 03:39.39 | Stmeter | libgcrypt since that's the one with the problem |
| 03:39.40 | Stmeter | using |
| 03:39.41 | Stmeter | apt-get install libgcrypt-dev libgcrypt11-dev libgcrypt11 libgcrypt11-dbg libgcrypt11-doc |
| 03:40.14 | nsadmin | ok, so it was installed from a source in your sources.list |
| 03:40.23 | Stmeter | Yep |
| 03:40.30 | nsadmin | could you pastebin the output of... |
| 03:40.45 | nsadmin | apt-cache policy libgcrypt11 |
| 03:41.03 | Stmeter | http://pastebin.com/hpkVQ66N |
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| 03:42.19 | nsadmin | OK, take a look at the output of... |
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| 03:42.37 | nsadmin | dpkg -L libgcrypt11 |
| 03:42.37 | dpkg | ii libgcrypt11 1.3-5 nsadmin's private stamp collection |
| 03:43.06 | Stmeter | nsadmin: http://pastebin.com/p4SLRxd7 |
| 03:43.23 | nsadmin | and make sure that all files it mentions exists, especially the libs |
| 03:43.36 | Stmeter | If they don't? |
| 03:43.38 | tharkun | Well gentelmen I still have this anoying beep, Does anyone care to review with me the actions i've taken and see what can it be done ? |
| 03:44.43 | nsadmin | then it's weird that the package seems installed but its files have been removed |
| 03:45.31 | Stmeter | Doesn't look as if I have /usr/lib/libgcrypt.so.11.4.4 and /usr/lib/libgcrypt.so.11 |
| 03:45.34 | Stmeter | nsadmin |
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| 03:46.29 | nsadmin | Stmeter: ok, use dpkg to remove the package... if it complains that it cannot, find the appropraite force-option and get it done... |
| 03:46.30 | tharkun | For the record xset b off is not working |
| 03:46.54 | nsadmin | then apt-get install libgcrypt11 |
| 03:47.59 | Stmeter | nsadmin: dpkg purge libgcrypt-dev libgcrypt11-dev libgcrypt11 libgcrypt11-dbg libgcrypt11-doc |
| 03:48.02 | Stmeter | Does that work? |
| 03:48.15 | nsadmin | --purge |
| 03:48.21 | Stmeter | Ok |
| 03:48.47 | nsadmin | for tricks dpkg can do... try dpkg --help |
| 03:49.15 | Stmeter | I07S15:~# dpkg --purge libgcrypt-dev libgcrypt11-dev libgcrypt11 libgcrypt11-dbg libgcrypt11-doc |
| 03:49.15 | Stmeter | dpkg: status database area is locked by another process |
| 03:49.15 | dpkg | ...but status database area is already something else... |
| 03:49.54 | nsadmin | so you're running another dpkg/apt/apt-get/aptitude |
| 03:50.03 | Stmeter | :S |
| 03:50.07 | nsadmin | or there's a stale lock file |
| 03:50.32 | Stmeter | Let me run a server reboot |
| 03:50.33 | nsadmin | is someone besides yourself logged in? |
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| 03:50.45 | nsadmin | is this production? |
| 03:50.45 | Stmeter | That's possible |
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| 03:51.28 | nsadmin | you should find out who's logged in and talk to them about what they're doing, or find out if they're supposed to be there |
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| 03:53.28 | Stmeter | nsadmin: http://pastebin.com/r1X994ns |
| 03:54.16 | nsadmin | look at the output of |
| 03:54.28 | nsadmin | umm, dpkg --help |
| 03:54.47 | nsadmin | you should see the switch that makes it ignore deps |
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| 03:55.25 | nsadmin | NOTE, this is NOT normal procedure, and we're going to reinstall it back pretty much immediately |
| 03:55.53 | nsadmin | if we weren't, I wouldn't be suggesting you should force -anything- |
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| 03:56.02 | Stmeter | Okay I think it's deleted |
| 03:56.19 | Stmeter | I07S15:~# dpkg -L libgcrypt11 |
| 03:56.19 | Stmeter | Package `libgcrypt11' is not installed. |
| 03:56.22 | Stmeter | Good :) |
| 03:56.44 | nsadmin | so now, apt-get install libgcrypt11 |
| 03:57.14 | Stmeter | Done |
| 03:57.18 | Stmeter | now let's try apache and the ircd |
| 03:57.22 | nsadmin | yepo |
| 03:57.31 | Stmeter | It worked :) |
| 03:57.34 | Stmeter | Thanks nsadmin. |
| 03:57.42 | nsadmin | next steps: |
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| 03:58.16 | nsadmin | you need to get with the team members who could have removed this thing and find out if and why they did so |
| 03:58.29 | Stmeter | right :P |
| 03:58.39 | nsadmin | if no one did, you probably need to consider the possibility the machine was compromised |
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| 03:58.46 | Stmeter | Since I came on earlier and they were probably trying to figure out how to fix it. |
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| 03:59.53 | nsadmin | if there Are no files in /var/log, this should be considered suspicious... |
| 04:00.14 | Stmeter | Okay |
| 04:00.17 | Stmeter | I'll look into it |
| 04:00.34 | nsadmin | meanwhile have fun |
| 04:01.16 | Hail_Spacecake | I've just come into management of a debian server |
| 04:01.46 | Hail_Spacecake | I'm not sure how old it is, or whether I can update it |
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| 04:02.06 | ShapeShifter499 | there is this app that I was going to use but decided not to. now I need to use it but can't remember it, anyone know what it is? it was a app that allowed other apps and stuff to minimize to the indicator applet area |
| 04:02.09 | Hail_Spacecake | deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ etch main |
| 04:02.20 | Hail_Spacecake | is the line in the /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:02.27 | HazardX | anyone know if its remotely possible to have bind9 return nxdomain for a queary that resolves recursively to a particular list of IPs? |
| 04:02.28 | nsadmin | it's oldstable, etch |
| 04:02.42 | ShapeShifter499 | sorry notifications area |
| 04:02.45 | nsadmin | what does file /etc/debian_version contain |
| 04:03.03 | Hail_Spacecake | nsadmin: 4.0 |
| 04:03.16 | nsadmin | yeah that sounds like etch |
| 04:03.20 | nsadmin | what do you want to do |
| 04:03.28 | Hail_Spacecake | I'd like to update it to the latest stable version |
| 04:03.35 | nsadmin | ok, which is lenny |
| 04:03.41 | Hail_Spacecake | of debian in general, I have no reasont to stick to old-stable |
| 04:03.45 | nsadmin | first: apt-get install aptitude |
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| 04:04.50 | peterrooney | HazardX: that's proably a really bad idea. what are you -really- trying to do? |
| 04:04.55 | nsadmin | once you've done that... |
| 04:05.08 | nsadmin | we'll continue |
| 04:05.18 | Hail_Spacecake | nsadmin: I couldn't apt-get update |
| 04:05.42 | Hail_Spacecake | Failed to fetch http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/dists/etch/main/binary-sparc/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 149.20.20.135 80] |
| 04:05.45 | Hail_Spacecake | was the error |
| 04:05.46 | HazardX | peterrooney, yes, because then I won't get my ISP's DNS spoofed servers anymore screwing name resolution for everything else. |
| 04:05.56 | Hail_Spacecake | and so in the unupdated state it says that the current version of aptitude is the latest |
| 04:06.13 | Hail_Spacecake | also this is a spaarc64 apparantly, it's a (kind of old) sun server |
| 04:06.15 | nsadmin | oh good |
| 04:06.18 | nsadmin | perfect |
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| 04:06.28 | HazardX | peterrooney, which is always the same two IPs. |
| 04:06.33 | nsadmin | so you have aptitude already, good |
| 04:06.38 | peterrooney | HazardX: so you're wanting to bypass your ISP's deliberately borken DNS... |
| 04:06.44 | Hail_Spacecake | bah, I need to go quickly |
| 04:07.01 | nsadmin | ok, so there are lenny release notes |
| 04:07.03 | Hail_Spacecake | I'm gonna log off then log in again from a screen session |
| 04:07.04 | HazardX | peterrooney, exactly. |
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| 04:07.24 | ShapeShifter499 | ok I found the app I was looking for "kdocker" |
| 04:07.34 | peterrooney | HazardX: you could run a caching only nameserver on localhost |
| 04:08.54 | HazardX | peterrooney, I've got bind9 running on the machine, hosting DNS (and DHCP) to the local lan, but the problem right now is that unless the thing getting resolved is the lan's domain name, everything gets a successful queary |
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| 04:09.35 | HazardX | and then all the local machine's DNS caches end up poisioned just because a host was down and the local server didn't know about it at that particular moment. |
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| 04:10.36 | ScottG | What might be a good way to get my current workspace using the command line? |
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| 04:11.33 | jpinx-eeepc | ScottG: you mean to see how much space you are using df -h |
| 04:12.10 | ScottG | jpinx-eeepc: Sorry, guess I should have been more specific. I mean which desktop workspace |
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| 04:12.36 | jpinx-eeepc | ScottG: that would be a gnome issue? |
| 04:12.42 | tharkun | HazardX: Can you be more precise about "nxdomain for a queary that resolves recursively to a particular list of IPs?" |
| 04:12.43 | ScottG | Not sure if there is even a solid way to do this since this is fairly wm dependent |
| 04:13.42 | HazardX | tharkun, well, if I lookup host this_host_dont_exist (which naturally dosen't exsist), I'll get back some IP, instead of an NXDOMAIN (IE, "request can't be answered") |
| 04:14.26 | HazardX | tharkun, what it *SHOULD* do (and what I want it to do again) is come back with NXDOMAIN, and conviniently, the *SAME* two IP addresses are always returned for bad hosts. |
| 04:14.37 | ScottG | jpinx-eeepc: wmctrl -d seems to give some good output, btw |
| 04:14.49 | tharkun | HazardX: restart your bind server the cache should just be dropped |
| 04:15.22 | tharkun | HazardX: also take a look at the view parameter for the named.conf |
| 04:15.24 | HazardX | tharkun, yes, it would, except its the upstream DNS server that's doing it. |
| 04:15.42 | tharkun | HazardX: set up your own dns server using the root servers |
| 04:15.49 | twisted` | someone here experience with VMWare Server (the console, vmware-vmrc) inside a x2go session? I can't get the two to play ball together |
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| 04:17.12 | tharkun | HazardX: the default debian config for bind is very basic and you should tweak it to have a somewhat secure server |
| 04:17.39 | HazardX | tharkun, indeed, and I did, though I hadn't thought of just having it ignore the local ISP's servers completely |
| 04:18.55 | tharkun | HazardX: Root servers are precisely there to be consulted. As long as you let the ttl expire acordingly there is no problem with them |
| 04:19.15 | tharkun | HazardX: for further assistance there is a #bind channel here in freenode |
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| 04:20.47 | tharkun | How can i find what module is the one that is constantly beeping ? |
| 04:21.35 | tharkun | I tried blacklisting pcspkr and nothing happened, xset b off will not work nor any trick i used to have in my bag. Anyone willing to help a desperate soul ? |
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| 04:23.05 | patriick | is anything in debian that it does by default that i should before leaving it on 24/7 |
| 04:23.14 | patriick | know*^ |
| 04:24.02 | phorce1_home | tharkun: if you removed the pcskr driver then it's probably your motherboard doing it directly. Check the bios for temperature warning settings |
| 04:24.43 | jpinx-eeepc | patriick: not really - I haven't rebooted for a couple of months . just suspended |
| 04:24.45 | tharkun | phorce1_home: presing the delete key on xterm will activate. Thx but it is something more mundane :( |
| 04:25.41 | patriick | jpinx-eeepc: i meant like for a seedbox seeding a linux distro 24/7 |
| 04:26.00 | patriick | jpinx-eeepc: maybe an open port or something that could get my box rooted idk LOL |
| 04:26.45 | jpinx-eeepc | patriick: debian by default is pretty secure |
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| 04:27.01 | jpinx-eeepc | patriick: assuming you are running lenny ? |
| 04:27.26 | patriick | idk hold on |
| 04:27.53 | phorce1_home | tharkun: you mean it beeps when you press delete and there is nothing to delete? That's the terminal bell setting. "setterm -blength 0 -bfreq 0" |
| 04:28.04 | patriick | jpinx-eeepc: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.5/i386/bt-cd/debian-505-i386-netinst.iso.torrent |
| 04:28.08 | patriick | here the one i downloaded |
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| 04:28.53 | jpinx-eeepc | patriick: that's just an installer. what does cat /etc/debian_version say? |
| 04:30.08 | patriick | just says 5.0.5 nothing on lenny |
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| 04:30.23 | jpinx-eeepc | patriick: ok - 5.0.5 is lenny |
| 04:30.56 | phorce1_home | tharkun: also, man xterm and search for "bell" it has a lot of them |
| 04:30.58 | jpinx-eeepc | patriick: do your aptitude updates and upgrades and you should be fine |
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| 04:32.25 | patriick | jpinx-eeepc: yeh whats the exact command again? aptitudate updates && upgrades or something |
| 04:33.03 | patriick | aptitude upgrade && update |
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| 04:35.52 | tharkun | phorce1_home: It also beeps when the initial gdm display appears. I believe is some sistem wide setting, wich i can't find |
| 04:36.34 | tharkun | phorce1_home: btw the "setterm -blength 0 -bfreq 0" does not work I allready tried it quite a few times :( |
| 04:36.41 | jpinx-eeepc | patriick: aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade -- that will bring all the installed stuff up to date |
| 04:37.08 | tharkun | phorce1_home: I believe it has something to do with the soundcard since alsamixer does not show the pcm control bar |
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| 04:38.02 | phorce1_home | tharkun: gdm also has a 'sound' setting (which I'm not closing X to look for <grin>) |
| 04:38.48 | phorce1_home | I remember enabling it on gdm on a machine that was slow to boot so I'd know when it was ready for me to log in |
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| 04:39.41 | tharkun | phorce1_home: gdmsetup is your man :) thx i fixed that one, going after xterm now |
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| 04:41.33 | patriick | jpinx-eeepc: thanks man u've been a big help |
| 04:41.49 | jpinx-eeepc | np :) |
| 04:42.35 | phorce1_home | tharkun: unless you need it for something you could also just unplug the PC speaker |
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| 04:43.26 | phorce1_home | I only plug them in on machines that fail to POST so I can listen for error beeps |
| 04:43.27 | tharkun | phorce1_home: there is no pc speaker it is the normal speakers connected to the sound card that do this horrible sound :( |
| 04:43.36 | phorce1_home | ahh |
| 04:45.12 | nsadmin | you know how the speaker plugs into the motherboard... get a socket and a plug, on one side put a wire, on the other side put two long wires and a switch which you mount on the front of the machine somewhere |
| 04:45.33 | tharkun | nsadmin: on a laptop ?? |
| 04:45.45 | nsadmin | oh didn't know it was a lappy |
| 04:46.44 | tharkun | nsadmin: it worked fine two days ago no annoying beeps. I had to reinstall lenny in order to upgrade to squeeze. For some unknown reason yet i had to do a minimal netinst cd install. And i am going up from there |
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| 04:48.02 | nsadmin | so if the beeps are coming as a result of what would normally go to the pc speaker (like backspacing at the beginning of an xterm line), it's software |
| 04:48.22 | tharkun | !win nsadmin |
| 04:48.23 | dpkg | Congratulations, nsadmin! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 04:48.31 | nsadmin | now the question is what software is it |
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| 04:49.03 | tharkun | nsadmin: wow two out of two. If you tell me the program i'll toast to your health from here to eternity |
| 04:49.36 | tharkun | goes to the fridge to cool some beers for nsadmin |
| 04:50.00 | nsadmin | let's make a gross test |
| 04:50.09 | nsadmin | unload all alsa modules |
| 04:50.12 | nsadmin | still beeps? |
| 04:50.41 | nsadmin | then reload them... |
| 04:50.44 | nsadmin | beeps? |
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| 04:50.59 | nsadmin | if so, maybe it's a module that's doing it |
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| 04:51.05 | tharkun | nsadmin: ok sounds fair |
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| 04:51.45 | nsadmin | notice I'm just playing that 1-200 guess game |
| 04:51.57 | nsadmin | trying to pick the middle point |
| 04:52.04 | tharkun | nsadmin: Sounds also fair :) |
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| 04:54.51 | tharkun | nsadmin: btw there is no sound playing on the sound card :( |
| 04:58.55 | nsadmin | should there be? |
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| 05:00.51 | tharkun | nsadmin: aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav I believe this should give some white noise. But it does not do anything |
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| 05:01.34 | tharkun | modprobe -r snd_hda_intel totaly obliterates the sound. Beeps included :) |
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| 05:02.15 | nsadmin | ok so you have a (totally gross) way to remove beeps at least |
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| 05:02.45 | tharkun | yes :) The problem is how i hear mahler without the beeps :) |
| 05:02.46 | nsadmin | how does alsa modules normally load? |
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| 05:03.00 | nsadmin | drive to where he is? |
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| 05:03.30 | tharkun | nsadmin: I don't understand what do you mean by how does alsa modules normally load ? |
| 05:04.00 | nsadmin | so you boot your laptop, and having been freshly booted, it's in some state |
| 05:04.19 | nsadmin | does that state include sound modules loaded? if so, how did they get that way? |
| 05:04.43 | tharkun | nsadmin: I don't know but if you tell me how to look for the info i'll gladly do it |
| 05:05.20 | tharkun | nsadmin: btw the other sound modules refuse to be unloaded. FATAL: Module snd_hda_codec is in use. |
| 05:05.21 | nsadmin | the thing is I have to drive across a bridge atm |
| 05:06.02 | tharkun | nsadmin: ok, I'll concentrate myself on the wireless part of the conectivity and go back to sound later. Thx |
| 05:06.21 | nsadmin | ok, well, I'd say keep exploring |
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| 05:06.59 | tharkun | nsadmin: thx for the info |
| 05:07.22 | nsadmin | play that guess game yourself, pick something to do that will tell you one of two things, and they're both equally sized (approx) so that you either rule out one large system or rule in another |
| 05:10.10 | tharkun | pulls the plug for the next several minutes to cook something for dinner |
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| 05:17.06 | flaccid | hey guys whats that package name that provides a self signed cert like for use with apache? |
| 05:18.39 | patriick | ok now i can't get usb to mount again after i jsut unplugged and plugged back in :( |
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| 05:22.09 | patriick | craap i unplugged without running umount |
| 05:22.18 | patriick | how can i get it to work again? reboot? |
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| 05:22.45 | jpinx-eeepc | patriick: plug it in and you might be lucky ;) |
| 05:23.05 | patriick | nope i already tried that and i get bread block ettors |
| 05:23.06 | jpinx-eeepc | patriick: this iss nt windows - rebooting is rarely needed |
| 05:23.10 | patriick | errors *^ |
| 05:23.33 | patriick | well idk what else i could do |
| 05:23.46 | patriick | i tried running umount and it says its busy both unplugged and plugged |
| 05:23.57 | jpinx-eeepc | patriick: unplug it - wait a minute - replug it and then read dmesg |
| 05:24.41 | patriick | yeah i ran shutdown -h now |
| 05:24.54 | patriick | and it says umount failed while it was shutting down O_O lets see |
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| 05:25.23 | jpinx-eeepc | patriick: why are you doing a reboot? |
| 05:26.08 | patriick | lol u just told me to unplug it :O |
| 05:26.18 | patriick | even tho i only just now figured out u were talkin about the usb |
| 05:26.28 | patriick | <# |
| 05:26.31 | patriick | <3 * |
| 05:26.33 | jpinx-eeepc | Sheeesh - unplug the usb device |
| 05:26.54 | patriick | yeah well its a 10 year old comp so a reboot takes like 20 min |
| 05:27.03 | jpinx-eeepc | ffs |
| 05:27.09 | patriick | lol |
| 05:27.24 | tomkap | lol |
| 05:27.39 | patriick | annd im entering in password now.. |
| 05:28.00 | jpinx-eeepc | patriick: just remember - this is not windo0ws - you really do not need to reboot |
| 05:28.10 | jpinx-eeepc | except when installing a new kernel |
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| 05:31.03 | patriick | ok this command: mount -t vfat -o rw,users /dev/sda1 /mnt/myusb |
| 05:31.14 | patriick | do i have to replace "users" with patrick ? |
| 05:31.40 | jpinx-eeepc | ignore users |
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| 05:32.10 | nsadmin | figure out from man mount what -o means, and what each possible value for -o means (such as rw and user) |
| 05:32.33 | patriick | facepalm |
| 05:32.49 | nsadmin | you chose the os... |
| 05:33.15 | nsadmin | which pretty much committed you to finding out some things by yourself |
| 05:33.17 | patriick | ok heres what i want to: be able to plug in my usb import .torrent files to rtorrent running on a user that isn't root |
| 05:33.46 | patriick | simple enough that i figured i wouldn't have to learn to much ^ |
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| 05:34.36 | nsadmin | ahh, so it's simple enough... so get started : |
| 05:34.43 | jpinx-eeepc | patriick: depending on your setup, the filemanager might take care of it |
| 05:35.11 | patriick | im on a console i dont have X installed |
| 05:35.15 | jpinx-eeepc | patriick: I plug in and mouse click to open or unmount |
| 05:35.19 | jpinx-eeepc | Ah |
| 05:35.20 | patriick | otherwise i prolly wouldnt need help lol |
| 05:35.41 | jpinx-eeepc | patriick: do that mount command and then ls the dir |
| 05:36.19 | patriick | yeah thats what i did before everything worked until i unplugged, but last time i ran that mount command i removed the -o rw,users part |
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| 05:37.03 | patriick | i just wanna know if i'll still be able to use the mounted drive without being logged in as root |
| 05:37.08 | jpinx-eeepc | patriick: mount defaults to rw, but sometimes USB sticks can be funny |
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| 05:37.48 | patriick | jpinx-eeepc: btw if i did X installed this comp would never boot this fast XD |
| 05:38.30 | jpinx-eeepc | patriick: you can use -o uuid=1001 (or whatever your uuid is) to get it useable by a userr |
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| 05:42.34 | patriick | omg FML |
| 05:42.45 | patriick | u know ur sleep when ur trying to mount a usb that isn't plugged in |
| 05:42.48 | patriick | sleepy* |
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| 05:47.31 | patriick | ok i got it all working properly |
| 05:47.36 | patriick | thanks again jpinx-eeepc |
| 05:47.47 | patriick | now i just to go bother the #rtorrent guys |
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| 06:14.15 | chovy_ | i'm thinking i just copy ~/.profile to /root/.profile and use "sudo -i" |
| 06:15.36 | jpinx-ee1pc | chovy_: what are you *really* trying to do? |
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| 06:36.34 | Lazy^ | G morning. I need to setup Cerficaton Authority Server for Linux clients. So linux clients on our network can get certs so they can connect to our WPA2-enterprise wlan ect. What is the best way to do this ? |
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| 06:39.27 | Dewi | chovy_: you can use a similar .profile and .bash_profile for root, but be careful |
| 06:40.09 | Dewi | chovy_: oops I mean .bash_profile and .bashrc |
| 06:40.48 | nevyn | Lazy^: does your organisation have a CA already? |
| 06:40.52 | jpinx | Dewi: I think he wants to run as root - not a good idea |
| 06:41.16 | nevyn | Lazy^: it's a Certificate Authority btw |
| 06:41.16 | Dewi | chovy_: oh that's right, root in debian has a .profile, but personally mine's very similar to my user .bash_profile |
| 06:41.39 | nevyn | Lazy^: btw if you have Active Directory you have a CA if that helps |
| 06:41.48 | Dewi | jpinx: occasionally it's a good idea, when you're doing a bunch of stuff at once |
| 06:41.59 | Dewi | jpinx: admin tasks I mean |
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| 06:42.16 | epsilon | debian over germany: http://www.wetteronline.de/cgi-bin/radbild?END=f&LANG=de&CREG=dwddg&CONT=dldl&RAD=00&ZEIT=201008300345 |
| 06:42.21 | jpinx | Dewi: lazy/bad qdmin - use su |
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| 06:42.52 | Dewi | jpinx: how is "su" not running as root? |
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| 06:43.33 | jpinx | it is, but not logging in as root at boot-time |
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| 06:43.51 | Dewi | jpinx: what's the difference? |
| 06:44.35 | Lazy^ | nevyn: yeps we have, but it seems that debian / ubuntu gnome-networkmanagers aren't working with Certs for ADs CA |
| 06:44.51 | Dewi | jpinx: ssh to root@ allows me to use a key agent and have a more pure shell.. |
| 06:44.55 | nevyn | Lazy^: you do need to create certs. |
| 06:45.35 | jpinx | Dewi: each to their own. I have root logins disabled everywhere. |
| 06:45.41 | nevyn | but it'd be good to make the root key of your CA a delegated key from the AD (this means that the AD systems will sortof trust the linux systems.) |
| 06:46.19 | Dewi | jpinx: I can understand disabling passwords, but why logins? |
| 06:47.24 | jpinx | Dewi: any script kiddie trying to get in will be trying root@ - but if it's disabled, then they have to guess the obscure username |
| 06:47.24 | Dewi | jpinx: also I can never get X to work when I want to run kdiff3 |
| 06:47.40 | Lazy^ | nevyn: Do you mean that debian/ubuntu gnome-network manager can work with WPA2-enterprise if we get Cert from ADs CA ? |
| 06:48.29 | Raptors | hey guys is there a to unmark a program as broken? |
| 06:49.04 | Raptors | I forced installed boxee because I have libdirectfb-1.2-9 instead of the 1.2-0 and it thinks its broken but everything is working fine.... |
| 06:49.41 | nevyn | Lazy^: you could do that. |
| 06:50.02 | nevyn | Lazy^: or you could create a CA for WPA on linux that is a child CA of the Enterprise AD CA |
| 06:50.14 | Dewi | Raptors: you'd have to change the package dependencies I think |
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| 06:50.48 | Dewi | Raptors: I don't think it's "marked" as broken, it'll be clear from the package tree |
| 06:50.57 | Lazy^ | nevyn: i know that you can get wp2-enterprise working if i use "openssl" ... there is some threads about it in the forums.. but with over 500 linux clients it's too much work =) |
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| 06:51.40 | Raptors | Dewi, it is marked as broken and wont let me install any updates without removing it |
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| 06:51.41 | nevyn | Lazy^: are these servers or desktops? |
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| 06:51.53 | nevyn | Lazy^: and how are they managed? |
| 06:52.03 | Lazy^ | desktops... and the wireless is only problem which we have |
| 06:52.04 | Dewi | Raptors: updates to anything? |
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| 06:52.24 | Lazy^ | nevyn: did you mean CA for WPA or WPA2 =) |
| 06:52.27 | Raptors | Dewi, ya |
| 06:52.45 | nevyn | Lazy^: for wpa2 the certs are standard pki certs |
| 06:53.21 | Dewi | Raptors: can you get boxee from wherever you got libdirectfb without making things worse? |
| 06:53.25 | nevyn | Lazy^: it's not terribly important. |
| 06:53.48 | Raptors | no... |
| 06:53.57 | nevyn | Lazy^: here's what I'd be inclined to do in that situation... |
| 06:54.06 | Dewi | Raptors: why is your libdirectfb too new for boxee? |
| 06:54.14 | Lazy^ | listening :) |
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| 06:54.26 | Raptors | Dewi, I'm on sid... |
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| 06:54.53 | Dewi | Raptors: wait for boxee to be fixed I guess |
| 06:54.54 | nevyn | if the users are using something like networkmanager create a internal self service site which builds a certificate for them as a users with "access the entwork rights" |
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| 06:55.09 | nevyn | the website could be built on windows or linux (not terribly important) |
| 06:55.23 | Dewi | Raptors: or change the depends yourself |
| 06:55.37 | nevyn | it' just needs to be a delegated CA that can create new certificats for users with "access the wpa network" rights. |
| 06:56.03 | Dewi | !tell Raptors about package |
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| 06:59.54 | fas3r | i try to install x but i have some big mess during the apt-get install like 'insserv: loop involving service mountoverflowtmp at depth 4' ( here the pastebin http://pastebin.com/yfNxs4c5 with the full error) |
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| 07:01.28 | Dewi | fas3r: where did you get nxserver? |
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| 07:01.45 | fas3r | Dewi: on nomachin |
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| 07:02.13 | Dewi | fas3r: is it built for your version of debian? |
| 07:02.17 | fas3r | but it dont create script in /etc/init.d i mean everythings is in /usr/NX/.. |
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| 07:02.19 | fas3r | yes |
| 07:02.22 | fas3r | 64bits |
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| 07:02.53 | Dewi | fas3r: I mean for etch, lenny, squeeze |
| 07:03.02 | Lazy^ | nevyn: and best way to build that kind of internal website. Is there some good apps in linux for that or which is the best way to build that kind of internal site ? |
| 07:03.42 | fas3r | Dewi: all i gues its not specify |
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| 07:04.14 | fas3r | i take it here http://www.nomachine.com/download-package.php?Prod_Id=2067 |
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| 07:05.10 | fas3r | but i remove it |
| 07:05.13 | fas3r | i mean |
| 07:05.22 | Dewi | fas3r: at a guess it looks like it caused a dependency loop |
| 07:05.46 | fas3r | i tried apt-get -f install too |
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| 07:06.42 | fas3r | Dewi: its not enough to install x : apt-get install fluxbox xserver-xorg xfonts-base fbdesk xfonts-100dpi xfonts-75dpi fluxconf ?? |
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| 07:07.39 | Dewi | fas3r: it looks like nxserver is interfering with it |
| 07:07.49 | fas3r | Dewi: but i removed it |
| 07:07.57 | fas3r | apt-get --purge remove nx* |
| 07:08.08 | fas3r | and its the same |
| 07:08.24 | Dewi | fas3r: well it hasn't removed it, because it's still throwing lots of errors |
| 07:08.38 | Dewi | fas3r: generic linux packages often cause problems |
| 07:08.41 | nevyn | Lazy^: it's custom development (cause it needs to know stuff about your organisation) it shouldn't be more than a hundred lines of asp or whatever. |
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| 07:09.37 | fas3r | Dewi: hum its strange : apt-get --purge remove nx* return : E: Couldn't find the package nxclient_3.4.0-7_x86_64.deb |
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| 07:09.53 | fas3r | i remove it with dpkg ? |
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| 07:10.08 | Dewi | fas3r: that '*' isn't reaching apt-get |
| 07:10.19 | Dewi | fas3r: because it's being expanded to a filename in the directory you are in |
| 07:11.46 | Dewi | fas3r: use the real package names, find them with sudo dpkg --list | grep '\<nx' |
| 07:12.12 | fas3r | ok its done |
| 07:12.18 | fas3r | i used dpkg -r |
| 07:12.44 | fas3r | Dewi: ok its good |
| 07:12.51 | Dewi | fas3r: cool |
| 07:13.02 | fas3r | Dewi: thank dude :D |
| 07:13.07 | Dewi | fas3r: np :) |
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| 07:25.59 | tehrabbitt-1 | hey guys.. |
| 07:26.05 | tehrabbitt-1 | still trying to get XEN installed lol |
| 07:26.23 | tehrabbitt-1 | apparently XEN hypervisor works fine, it's the kernel i'm using apparently that doesn't |
| 07:26.31 | tehrabbitt-1 | it just.. hangs at a black screen on boot |
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| 07:28.30 | tehrabbitt | any ideas? |
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| 07:35.12 | zck | hi there |
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| 07:40.29 | __dels | hi |
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| 07:40.58 | __dels | since there is no /etc/alternative/ruby, how should i tell debian which ruby version to use? ruby1.9.2 is broken |
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| 07:51.43 | fas3r | Dewi: its really strange because i have remove nxserver ... install x everything work fine ... now i just want install xchat it say the same error |
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| 07:53.58 | fas3r | i mean i have reinstall nxserver just after x and when i try to install xchat i got the same error |
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| 07:54.23 | fas3r | if i got the error all time when i want to install a package it will be pis meof |
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| 07:56.26 | Karen_m | where does sysctl obtain it's defaults from? |
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| 07:57.56 | joltcan | Karen_m: The kernel source? |
| 07:58.14 | Karen_m | so other than rebooting, I cannot reinit the sysctl back to defaults? |
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| 07:58.38 | sep | you can check what the defaults are, and set to that value |
| 07:58.49 | Karen_m | how do you probe the default if you have already changed the value? |
| 07:59.00 | sep | read the source code or google |
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| 08:01.24 | Karen_m | well sheesh, I rebooted and now the box has not responded for 7 minutes. I hope it's doing fsck or something |
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| 08:04.01 | Karen_m | how long does fsck usually take? |
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| 08:04.15 | Karen_m | 250GB, shouldn't be that long correct? |
| 08:04.26 | Karen_m | so far box has been down 11 minutes |
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| 08:05.13 | ecolitan | i have a binary which i can see with ls and read, but when i try and execute it, i get "No such file or directory". how can this be so? |
| 08:05.31 | kylemcgill | have you tried the tab method? |
| 08:05.32 | Karen_m | ./<binary |
| 08:05.41 | Karen_m | ./myfile |
| 08:06.04 | ecolitan | Karen_m: ./pdfmeld |
| 08:06.04 | ecolitan | -bash: ./pdfmeld: No such file or directory |
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| 08:06.20 | Dewi | ecolitan: and ls -ld ./pdfmeld works? |
| 08:06.21 | Karen_m | see if the line at the top makes sense? #!/usr/bin/perl or something? |
| 08:06.41 | ecolitan | -rwxr-xr-x 1 glamus glamus 3454849 2008-10-30 00:14 ./pdfmeld |
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| 08:08.00 | ecolitan | file pdfmeld |
| 08:08.00 | ecolitan | pdfmeld: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.0.0, stripped |
| 08:08.18 | ecolitan | could it be a prob with bash? |
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| 08:10.28 | tehrabbitt | anyone here know about XEN? |
| 08:10.39 | tehrabbitt | or how to setup an XP VM on squeeze? |
| 08:12.46 | ecolitan | found a way to get a different error: bash ./pdfmeld |
| 08:12.47 | ecolitan | ./pdfmeld: ./pdfmeld: cannot execute binary file |
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| 08:13.11 | hozeHoze1 | hi, i am trying to setup a cronjob to rsync files from remote host to my local box. because of permissions problems i need to sudo rsync, but when i do that, the remote host is prompting me for a password (root id_rsa.pub is not set) and the cronjob wont execute. any ideas? |
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| 08:17.53 | chovy_ | Dewi: t;hanks |
| 08:17.57 | chovy_ | sp |
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| 08:43.36 | tuv | will the hd-media installer image find an installer iso on a ntfs partition? |
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| 08:46.45 | jelly | ecolitan: pastebin the output of "ldd pdfmeld" |
| 08:47.26 | ecolitan | jelly: i've managed to fix by installing libc6-i386 package |
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| 09:19.17 | project2501a | has anybody used the ati video card with 6 screens under debian? |
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| 09:22.35 | bint | hi there |
| 09:22.44 | bint | does debian cd1 come with a desktop enviroment? |
| 09:22.51 | bint | or ist it just command-line? |
| 09:23.01 | bint | i mean with a GUI |
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| 09:23.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 09:23.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | !cd contents |
| 09:23.25 | dpkg | To find out what is on what disk, examine the package lists within the list-{cd,dvd} subdirectories for the relevant architecture at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/ (e.g. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/list-cd/). |
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| 09:26.11 | bint | thx CutMeOwnThroat |
| 09:26.27 | Armageddon | I knew that vlc had its issues on debian, and I get 1/4 of the screen but I don't remember how to fix it if I can ! |
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| 09:27.57 | alcy | folks, is there a way to tell apt to *not* look for amd64 packages in a particular repo ? |
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| 09:28.20 | themill | !wayttd alcy |
| 09:28.20 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, alcy? |
| 09:28.53 | iorek | hello everybody. I got two problems with my new Acer Travelmate Timeline X 8472. first: The system does not recognize the battery. It runs with battery power and AC, but always in AC mode. No lifetime, etc. is shown. Under /proc/acpi/battery no battery is found. I tried the liquorix kernel 2.6.35-4 with no effect. I tried in grub the command acpi_osi=Linux. I also tried the reasambling method for smart battery system with no effect (think it is no |
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| 09:29.47 | alcy | themill: I need to install packages from a repo which doesn't have amd64 ports for their software. So adding their repo in sources.list troubles apt as it can;t find any amd64 packages. |
| 09:29.48 | iorek | by the way I tried both, lenny and squeeze, now I run squeeze with a 2.6.32-5 kernel |
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| 09:30.57 | themill | alcy: you can't install packages built for the wrong architecture in any case. You'll need to recompile them. If they have source packages available, then you can use a deb-src line to help with that and /msg dpkg package recompile |
| 09:31.32 | alcy | themill: ia32-libs ? |
| 09:32.29 | themill | alcy: that frequently doesn't have all the libraries you need in any case |
| 09:33.49 | iorek | the second problem is this: I can not disable the internal speakers while headphones are plugged in. I read that this is an alsa problem with new intel chips. but even the latest version does not work for me. there is only one output switch in alsamixer. does anyone got an idea how to fix that problem? |
| 09:34.06 | alcy | themill: alrighty. |
| 09:34.35 | iorek | Audio device: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio (rev 06) |
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| 09:35.21 | themill | alcy: if rebuilding for amd64 is problematic or impossible, a chroot might be the easiest approach; you can run an i386 chroot on an amd64 installation. /msg dpkg schroot |
| 09:35.25 | bint | ok.. i'm really new on linux. but i'll rent a server and i would like to have a GUI installed (maybe fluxbox) and access it via VNC or somekind of remotedesktop software. - is this easy to install and configure? |
| 09:35.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | iorek, is the "battery" kernel module loaded? check what dmesg says when that module is loaded.. if your type of battery is not supported by recent kernels, there's not much you can do |
| 09:35.56 | alcy | themill: cool, thanks |
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| 09:36.08 | W4RL0RD | v |
| 09:36.10 | W4RL0RD | hi. i am looking for some assistant regarding installing a vpn daemon on my vps to port forward all my connections. anyone pelase? |
| 09:36.43 | amphi | iorek: do you have /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/ ? if so, anything useful in it? |
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| 09:37.32 | iorek | dmesg gives this out: [ 4.855327] ACPI: Battery Slot [BAT1] (battery absent) and yes battery module is loaded |
| 09:37.46 | ^Willie^ | hmmzz question is it posible to install some of the packages from squeeze in lenny ? or better use the squeeze release then ? |
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| 09:38.03 | iorek | /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/ directory does not exist |
| 09:38.29 | themill | ^Willie^: you can often install packages from squeeze that have been recompiled to be suitable for lenny; /msg dpkg backports |
| 09:38.47 | iorek | i am running squeeze right now |
| 09:38.48 | amphi | iorek: what's under /sys/class/power_supply? |
| 09:39.08 | ^Willie^ | themill: ahh cool then i`m not forced to use an 2008 release of iproute that will not support macvlan management ;) |
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| 09:39.28 | iorek | ACAD# ls |
| 09:39.28 | iorek | deviceonlinepower subsystem typeuevent |
| 09:39.33 | iorek | theres the directory ACAD with the followed dirs |
| 09:39.37 | amphi | iorek: FWIW, you could look up your model on linux-laptop,net and/or tuxmobil.org, to see if there's any useful info |
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| 09:41.10 | themill | ^Willie^: there's no pre-made backport of that package but it appears to be a trivial backport to make yourself. There is no guarantee that it will work, of course... /msg dpkg backport caveat |
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| 09:41.23 | iorek | my laptop is not there (on both websites) |
| 09:41.45 | ^Willie^ | themill: hmm ok i`m still new to debian not new to compile my own packages but brb need to run |
| 09:42.00 | themill | ^Willie^: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 09:42.18 | amphi | iorek: sounds like you getto write the driver ;) |
| 09:42.29 | amphi | *get to |
| 09:42.41 | iorek | are you kidding!? |
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| 09:42.55 | iorek | but I had that bad feeling too^^ |
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| 09:44.31 | iorek | any solution for the sound problem? |
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| 09:47.10 | visof | hello |
| 09:47.21 | visof | is there a big difference between ubuntu and debian ? |
| 09:47.32 | bint | hi there! i'll have a debian webserver and i kinda want to access it with a remotedesktop software like vnc |
| 09:47.50 | bint | is it possible to install a light desktop like fluxbox and install vnc or something via shell |
| 09:47.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | iorek, well, someone's gotta write the driver, no? |
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| 09:48.29 | kylemcgill | bint: you can but it would be a waste |
| 09:48.33 | bint | why |
| 09:48.35 | ^Willie^ | themill: ok thnx for the info |
| 09:48.42 | kylemcgill | webservers are suppose to be lean |
| 09:49.04 | bint | sure.. but a friend of mine has to be able to access it.. and he's really not into pc stuff |
| 09:49.06 | kylemcgill | you would need to install xorg, then the window manager, then your vnc client |
| 09:49.10 | bint | so it would be a lot easier for him |
| 09:49.28 | kylemcgill | if you dont mind me asking why would he need to access it? |
| 09:49.49 | kylemcgill | you would be better off installing a control panel, like webmin or something to administer the server |
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| 09:50.23 | kylemcgill | x11vnc is the vnc server you would need to install to set up vnc |
| 09:50.27 | bint | hmm yes it will come with webadmin i think |
| 09:50.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | kylemcgill, no, x11vnc is not suitable for this case |
| 09:51.02 | iorek | CutMeOwnThroat: yes at least someone will have to, someone who wants to use that laptop in a nice way on battery power.....but how long will that take? I have no real fun with writing a driver for a not supported hardware where you can not find a useable documentation.... |
| 09:51.09 | bint | he needs irc and stuff.. and i know there is irssi and stuff but he would be able to exec irssii to open the chat |
| 09:51.11 | kylemcgill | CutMeOwnThroat: then what would you recommend in this case lol |
| 09:51.16 | bint | so its easier for him if he could klick |
| 09:51.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | !free whcp |
| 09:51.43 | dpkg | FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig>, <ispCP Omega> and <RavenCore>. Don't use <Webmin>. http://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels |
| 09:51.47 | bint | well i did this, install xorg-core, xinit and fluxbox on a ubuntuLAMP-server but then i tried to install vnc4server but i wasn't able to config. it.. now i'm going for debianweb server and try it with x11vnc |
| 09:52.14 | bint | oh not x11vnc |
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| 09:52.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | kylemcgill, x11vnc connects to existing X servers and the same user needs to be logged in already (it's possible to connect to [xgk]dm, but more complicated) |
| 09:52.44 | kylemcgill | CutMeOwnThroat: he doesnt want a Control Panel, he wants to administer the Server with a GUI and use programs like IRSSI |
| 09:52.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | vnc4server starts a new virtual server |
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| 09:53.07 | iorek | ...nevertheless: i think the problem is the new smart battery function of acer, they did not really use standard communication via acpi.....but I read about a method how you can disable that function of the battery. you would have to do a bios hack, does anybody get used to such things? |
| 09:53.12 | bint | i think x11vnc is what i want... but i'm not sure |
| 09:53.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | bint, you will not have success with x11vnc, as I just explained |
| 09:53.23 | kylemcgill | CutMeOwnThroat: i see, i use x11vnc |
| 09:53.34 | kylemcgill | not for his approach |
| 09:53.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | kylemcgill, yes, because you're already logged into that machine... then it's the right tool |
| 09:53.55 | bint | you have to be logged in via shell? |
| 09:53.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | bint, vnc4server is not hard to configure |
| 09:54.07 | kylemcgill | i dont use anything but ssh to administer webservers, which is no doubt the best to use imo |
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| 09:54.27 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 09:54.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | I also don't see how a graphical interface helps you to administer a webserver... |
| 09:54.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, lunchtime |
| 09:55.12 | bint | well its a noob-server... we dont really host websites.. maybe a counterstrike-server maybe backup some pictures via ftp from holidays etc.. |
| 09:55.23 | gypsymauro | I've installed squeze , and installing gnome I get some errors: insserv: Starting nxsensor depends on rc.local and therefore on system facility `$all' which can not be true! |
| 09:55.30 | gypsymauro | any hint? |
| 09:55.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's a myth that graphical is "easier for noobs" |
| 09:55.41 | kylemcgill | bint: to be honest there is real reason to set up xorg, and fluxbox, and then a vnc client |
| 09:55.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | bint, /usr/share/doc/vnc4server/examples/vnc.conf.gz |
| 09:55.45 | bint | and if he fe. wants to move pictures from /pics/ to /private/pics/ he's not able to do it without gui |
| 09:55.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | command-line is actually easier, you can take notes of the commands |
| 09:56.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | while it's extremely hard to write down "click there, click this, oh, the menu is not where I thought it is" |
| 09:56.27 | bint | well yes it is easier if you believe in it.. but i'm not paying for the server... i have to set it up :D |
| 09:56.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | bint, also, man vnc4passwd and man vnc4config |
| 09:56.54 | bint | ahh right "man" will give me all the avaiable commands right? |
| 09:57.11 | hatter_ | what does this mean : 'journal commit i/o error' (s/w raid1 ext3) |
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| 09:59.50 | bint | hmm i just installad debain "web-server" but when i boot now there is a GNOME-desktop - did i accidentally install debian desktop |
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| 10:01.05 | kylemcgill | lol |
| 10:01.06 | kylemcgill | maybe |
| 10:01.15 | kylemcgill | ls -la ~/ for me |
| 10:01.18 | bint | webserver dosn't come with gnome desktop right :)? |
| 10:01.27 | kylemcgill | shouldnt do no |
| 10:01.45 | kylemcgill | unless you installed all the dependencies and it is a GUI |
| 10:01.55 | kylemcgill | !webserver |
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| 10:04.09 | bint | i'm going for a proper install :) |
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| 10:04.20 | kylemcgill | lol |
| 10:04.25 | kylemcgill | Good Luck!! |
| 10:04.31 | squisher | Hi folks, can someone tell me what kernel config is used for the debian installer? |
| 10:04.34 | bint | so what do you recommend now? vnc4server or x11vnc? |
| 10:04.38 | squisher | I can't seem to find that on the website |
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| 10:04.42 | bint | or isn't there a big difference |
| 10:05.33 | kylemcgill | i got x11vnc to run without having to be at the computer via ssh, however CutMeOwnThroat seems to think you cant, so give both a go and see how you go i guess |
| 10:05.39 | kylemcgill | just do them one at a time though |
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| 10:05.50 | bint | ok |
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| 10:06.22 | bint | i'm just a bit used to the ubuntu commands.. apt-get install apt-get remove.. they're the same right? - sorry to ask and beeing to lazy to google - but is there a list with all these commands? |
| 10:07.02 | Havis | bint: man apt-get |
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| 10:07.15 | bint | no i mean for all the commands.. like apt-get |
| 10:07.31 | bint | just the whole list.. sudo apt-get and so on |
| 10:08.11 | Havis | bint: the whole list for apt-get is in its man page |
| 10:08.14 | rozie | bint: apt-get install wajig, then wajig commands will give you all apt commands (plus some bonus) |
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| 10:08.33 | rozie | and if you ask if it's the same apt - yes, Ubuntu is Debian based |
| 10:08.44 | rozie | and this software is common part |
| 10:09.15 | at0m | s/apt-get/aptitude ;) |
| 10:09.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | kylemcgill, not ssh! you have to be logged into X already |
| 10:09.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | x11vnc accesses the already running X |
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| 10:12.07 | kylemcgill | CutMeOwnThroat: I have a Mac OSX, Debian, Ubuntu on 3 seperate computers, i SSH'd from the Mac to Ubuntu installed what i needed to, including gnome, x11vnc, set it up to run after x11 starts then i VNC into the box and log in... worked for me |
| 10:12.10 | kylemcgill | however |
| 10:12.12 | at0m | just started "vnc4server -geometry 1024x768" over ssh, and ran iceweasel ok.. |
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| 10:12.33 | kylemcgill | i have access to the machine if i need to by plugging in a Keyboard and Moniter |
| 10:12.37 | kylemcgill | where as he doesnt |
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| 10:13.19 | at0m | that server doesnt have X running, it's headless |
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| 10:13.50 | courpse | VNC server requires X to be running. |
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| 10:15.57 | at0m | courpse: http://pastebin.ca/1928902 - it starts a basic session from ~/.vnc/xstartup |
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| 10:16.19 | courpse | I cant view URLS atm. |
| 10:16.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | kylemcgill, regular users are not allowed to access the gdm login-screen... |
| 10:18.21 | kylemcgill | CutMeOwnThroat: Nevermind he has the computer in front of him, when he was referecing Web Server, he ment while he was installing it llol |
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| 10:21.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | kylemcgill, if you run x11vnc as root, you can access a gdm login... but that is generally neither needed, nor recommended |
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| 10:22.43 | kylemcgill | but for something to host on my own network who only i touch even though it is not good practice it means i dont have to plug shit into the box |
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| 10:24.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | "plug shit into the box"? |
| 10:26.03 | courpse | lol. |
| 10:26.04 | sep | kylemcgill, do you realy need the login? can't you just forward X11 normally ? eg ssh -X user@box and then run the X application ? |
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| 10:28.47 | kylemcgill | CutMeOwnThroat: the box being in my lounge |
| 10:28.59 | kylemcgill | sep: to be honest i havnt ever really tried that |
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| 10:30.10 | sep | may have to enable the X forwarding in the ssh server tho. but that's simple |
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| 10:30.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's also vnc4server or tightsever, I think both start their own virtual server |
| 10:30.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | but *shrug* |
| 10:31.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | if it makes him happy to "plug shit into his box", I wouldn't want to argue with that |
| 10:31.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... whatever that means |
| 10:31.25 | sep | kylemcgill, only thing you might want to be aware is that iceweasel/firefox tries to be clever when you start it, so you may want to examine the -no-remote option when runing taht |
| 10:31.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | hope it wasn't literal |
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| 10:33.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | sep, vnc performance is about an order of magnitude better than simple x11 forwarding |
| 10:33.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | like in "it's usable when x11 forwarding takes 20-30 seconds to open up a new window" |
| 10:34.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course, in his local net, that's right |
| 10:34.22 | sep | well you can forward X outside the ssh tunnel as well. since it's local net. |
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| 10:35.01 | at0m | CutMeOwnThroat: running x-forwarding on the LAN is comparable to VNC speed, though the encryption is a bit bloat for a LAN |
| 10:35.12 | sep | altho i have been using x2go more recently since i have it anyway for when i am not locally |
| 10:35.44 | at0m | (running an Xming server on my win machine) |
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| 10:37.54 | Armageddon | I installed vlc on debian sid and the output is distorted, what video output should I be using ? |
| 10:38.18 | ksk | hello. does anybody have experience with smartclt? i want to check my disks with the -H option. is it recommended to do a selfcheck from time to time to "feed" -H with actual information? |
| 10:38.23 | kylemcgill | sep: thanks for that, i will let bint know, he is the one who is setting this all up |
| 10:38.53 | ksk | s/actual/up to date/ |
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| 10:42.43 | Xat` | hi |
| 10:43.21 | Xat` | i installed/uninstalled a package and now, i can't reinstall it |
| 10:43.35 | tarzeau | Xat`: which package, and how? |
| 10:43.40 | Armageddon | how did you install/uninstall the package ? |
| 10:44.01 | Xat` | Armageddon > with aptitude |
| 10:44.08 | Xat` | tarzeau > webmin :/ |
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| 10:44.25 | Armageddon | can you pastebin the output ? |
| 10:44.26 | tarzeau | Xat`: there's no webmin package! |
| 10:45.10 | Xat` | ok |
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| 10:47.20 | ksk | or: does smartctl -H give an errorcode !=0 if the status is not "okay"? |
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| 10:47.38 | Xat` | http://paste.debian.net/86668/ |
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| 10:49.16 | Armageddon | Xat`, did you read the error ? |
| 10:49.50 | Xat` | yes, about apt-show-versions ? |
| 10:50.01 | Armageddon | yes |
| 10:50.05 | Armageddon | did you try to install it ? |
| 10:50.16 | Xat` | uhm, i installed webmin before |
| 10:50.26 | Xat` | without problem |
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| 10:50.37 | Armageddon | did you install apt-show-versions ? |
| 10:50.53 | Xat` | i'm going to try |
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| 10:52.36 | Xat` | Armageddon > you think apt-show-versions has been uninstalled ? |
| 10:52.49 | Armageddon | Xat`, as the error says, yes it is |
| 10:53.06 | Armageddon | Xat`, you are lucky I understand french |
| 10:53.21 | Xat` | :) |
| 10:53.21 | Xat` | how does it ? |
| 10:53.43 | Armageddon | Xat`, how does it what ? |
| 10:53.56 | Xat` | the package apt-show-versions has been uninstalled |
| 10:54.22 | Armageddon | Xat`, when you removed webmin.deb it most probably got removed too |
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| 10:54.41 | Armageddon | Xat`, read what dpkg is removing before you says YES |
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| 10:55.02 | Xat` | and why when i want to install webmin, it doesn't ask me if i want to install dependancies ? |
| 10:55.36 | Armageddon | because you are using dpkg that takes it from a local .deb file, not aptitude that downloads it from a repo |
| 10:55.49 | Xat` | Armageddon > i will be more attentive later ;) |
| 10:56.21 | Armageddon | Xat`, you should, because an error might remove all of your packages :) |
| 10:56.52 | Xat` | ouch |
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| 10:57.07 | Armageddon | Xat`, je pense qu'il y a une chamber en francais ou vous pouvez demander |
| 10:57.29 | Xat` | i didn't know |
| 10:57.31 | moldovean | !fr |
| 10:57.31 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 10:57.37 | Xat` | :) thanks |
| 10:57.48 | Armageddon | Xat`, it has happened to me and I remove all the packages *chuckles* I didn't used to read and after it happened I started reading more carefully |
| 10:57.52 | Armageddon | Xat`, lemme know if it works |
| 10:58.06 | edulix | hi, is there a way to protect a package so that it doesn't ever get uninstalled when doing an apt-get autoclean? |
| 10:58.07 | Xat` | isn't a problem for me to speak english (sometimes) :) |
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| 10:59.02 | Armageddon | edulix, uninstalled and upgraded, yes, you pin it using synaptic package manager |
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| 11:00.03 | Armageddon | Xat`, not you speaking english, the problem is that your system is in french ! |
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| 11:00.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | Xat`, well... you'd make it easier for us, if you do something like "export LANG=C" before you run programs that you paste here |
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| 11:01.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | Xat`, also, did you "/msg dpkg webmin"? |
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| 11:02.16 | edulix | Armageddon: thanks, so something like this will do: |
| 11:02.25 | edulix | Package: python2.6 |
| 11:02.27 | edulix | Pin: release a=testing |
| 11:02.28 | edulix | Pin-Priority: 1001 |
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| 11:02.52 | Armageddon | edulix, you lock the version |
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| 11:03.25 | edulix | Armageddon: I also lock that apt-get autoclean doesn't remove it ever? |
| 11:03.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | err |
| 11:03.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don'T think you understand what autoclean does |
| 11:04.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, or I don't |
| 11:04.23 | edulix | CutMeOwnThroat: yes. among other things remove unneeded packages right? |
| 11:04.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, I do |
| 11:04.30 | Armageddon | edulix, autoclean removes all old downloaded packages |
| 11:04.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, it doesn't |
| 11:04.36 | Armageddon | not installed ones |
| 11:04.48 | Armageddon | that was autoremove actually |
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| 11:04.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | edulix, autoclean doesn't touch installed packages, just the cached .deb files |
| 11:05.09 | moldovean | edulix, use squeeze in sources or elsewhere, testing is moving things |
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| 11:05.40 | edulix | ok |
| 11:05.42 | mischievious | bye dpkg :( |
| 11:05.50 | Xat` | CutMeOwnThroat > export LANG=C to have temporaly language ? |
| 11:05.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, wb |
| 11:05.51 | edulix | I need to go, will come back to this problem later, thanks for the help! |
| 11:05.51 | dpkg | thanks, cutmeownthroat. It's good to be back. |
| 11:05.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | Xat`, yes |
| 11:06.04 | Xat` | CutMeOwnThroat > nice :) |
| 11:06.18 | Xat` | merci Armageddon ;) |
| 11:06.26 | Armageddon | de rien Xat` |
| 11:06.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | C= "system language" |
| 11:06.42 | Xat` | ok thanks CutMeOwnThroat ;) |
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| 11:17.48 | bint | re |
| 11:17.56 | bint | that was the powerswitch of my computer grml |
| 11:18.05 | kylemcgill | lol |
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| 11:19.47 | thewanderer11 | I'm hitting a SERVFAIL in bind9 |
| 11:19.59 | h3po | hi |
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| 11:20.35 | h3po | i could use some help with live-helper building an usb-hdd image |
| 11:21.01 | h3po | what config options can i use to edit the live.cfg or boot options in another way? |
| 11:24.01 | moldovean | h3po, /msg dpkg live |
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| 11:26.22 | h3po | what has /msg to do with that? |
| 11:26.31 | mertin | hey everybody. Quick question. Just installed Debian with Gnome yesterday, and I want to set my user account to auto login, but the checkbox to do that appears greyed out. This is in the section "login screen" or something like that |
| 11:26.51 | mertin | how can I un-gray it? |
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| 11:27.13 | at0m | !tell h3po about live |
| 11:27.16 | honschu | Hi, does qt4 have ssl support compiled in? |
| 11:27.25 | TMM | ok, I just did something monumentally stupid. I removed the logical volume that holds my /var/ volume. It's still up now... what happens if I create a new volume now though? Is there a chance that DM will reuse the data that is currently still in use by that volume? |
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| 11:27.37 | TMM | I want to make a new one and copy over the data |
| 11:27.41 | honschu | Does qt4 has ssl support compiled in (squeeze) |
| 11:27.43 | kmonk | mertin: check out nodm that way you can autologin without even a login manager |
| 11:27.45 | thewanderer11 | how to debug a SERVFAIL response on bind9? |
| 11:27.48 | TMM | but I wonder if I have to shut down my server first :) |
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| 11:28.22 | mertin | but I'm ok with having gdm.... can't I just enable autologin with gdm? Or is it not possible? |
| 11:28.25 | sep | thewanderer11, start by reading the logs |
| 11:28.26 | thewanderer11 | mertin: you need to be root to edit that |
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| 11:28.52 | mertin | oh, I thought about that. But since it asks for the root password when I enter that section... I assume that's not the issue |
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| 11:29.31 | mertin | even if I'm logged into the system with the ordinary user, when I enter that section it asks for the root password, so I thought it's the same as being root |
| 11:29.38 | thewanderer11 | loading from master file db.local.s27 failed: file not found - great. and it still loads up... |
| 11:30.07 | thewanderer11 | mertin: and have you provided the proper root password? are other sections available? |
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| 11:30.56 | thewanderer11 | TMM, yes, DM will reuse the space if you create a new LV |
| 11:31.27 | TMM | thewanderer11, I have a spare LV I see, I'll just copy over the data, change fstab and reboot |
| 11:31.28 | TMM | thanks |
| 11:31.35 | mertin | yes I provided the proper root password, but nothing happens, it's still greyed. And I don't think that option is accessible from anywhere else. At least in GUI |
| 11:32.07 | kmonk | mertin: stable, squeeze or sid? |
| 11:32.07 | mertin | testing |
| 11:32.14 | TMM | brb :) |
| 11:32.46 | mertin | maybe I could try loggin into the system as root user, right from the gdm |
| 11:33.01 | mertin | can't do it now since I'm at work, but will try. |
| 11:33.47 | kmonk | there's no bugs listed for gdm in testing reffering to your issue, so it is strange to say th' lest |
| 11:33.59 | themill | mertin: is this for gdm or gdm3, btw? Isn't there a "gdmsetup" program for this? |
| 11:34.06 | mertin | gdm3 |
| 11:34.24 | mertin | I don't know about the setup |
| 11:34.43 | mertin | it looks like nodm is the answer here |
| 11:34.51 | mertin | I'll try that later today |
| 11:34.59 | mertin | nice tip |
| 11:35.22 | mertin | wait |
| 11:35.24 | kmonk | i have a mega question for you all, i wish to offload most of my system and a select number of programs into ram apon boot, much like the "toram" feature on many live distrobutions... where should I start in investigating a method for this? |
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| 11:36.19 | mertin | it says in the nodm site: |
| 11:36.22 | mertin | The system should boot directly into the GUI control application, that runs full screen, with root privileges. Everything should respawn if X is killed or the control application dies. |
| 11:36.41 | mertin | root privileges??!? Heck no. I want to login as my ordinary user, not as root! |
| 11:38.11 | kmonk | it's not that bad mertin... nodm runs as root then reads the configuration file under /etc/defaults/nodm which selects your desired user account and some other settings conserning user enviroment and X. it's quite simple really though. i just edited that and ~/.xsession and then boot straight into user account; |
| 11:38.44 | kmonk | */etc/default/nodm |
| 11:38.47 | mertin | oh, that seems reasonable. I'll try it. Thanks |
| 11:39.17 | mertin | Man, IRC beats the hell out of forums! hehe |
| 11:39.50 | kmonk | im not sure how it will play with gdm though? hope you comfortable with terminal if it goes thud :D |
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| 11:40.07 | mertin | I figure I have to remove gdm right? |
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| 11:40.22 | kmonk | i would purge gdm first for sure |
| 11:40.51 | mertin | yes |
| 11:41.03 | mertin | *scary* |
| 11:41.31 | mertin | still I'm not entirely crippled with a terminal |
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| 11:41.55 | mertin | in the worst case I install gdm again to recover sanity |
| 11:42.07 | kmonk | if you learn to use weechat, lynx and libcaca terminal is actually kinda fun |
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| 11:42.27 | mertin | haaha, that's too freaky for me |
| 11:42.45 | mertin | lynx?!? get serious |
| 11:42.55 | mertin | web surfing belongs in gui |
| 11:43.15 | mertin | terminal browsers are for emergencies |
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| 11:44.22 | kmonk | and haxors |
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| 11:45.49 | mertin | although I enjoy some terminal apps, of course |
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| 11:45.58 | mertin | nothing beats moc for my music |
| 11:46.14 | mertin | I even tried centerim and finch for im |
| 11:46.19 | kmonk | you can't say "i'm logging into the database!" staring into a firefox screen and look cool at the same time |
| 11:46.34 | mertin | but the lack of context pop up windows was the deal braker there |
| 11:46.47 | mertin | haha |
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| 12:02.52 | mertin | it's funny that auto login is possible in debian lenny |
| 12:03.07 | mertin | but not in my testing (currently still squeeze?) box |
| 12:04.35 | kmonk | using testdisk to recover "lost" from formatted camera flash storage device.... awesome! |
| 12:04.37 | thrashold | mertin: autologin is something that depends on the display manager you use |
| 12:04.54 | mertin | yes thanks I see |
| 12:05.14 | TMM | thewanderer11, I did manage to rescue my /var :) turned out that the grub install on that box was broken though :) |
| 12:05.16 | mertin | so it's disabled in this new gdm3 |
| 12:05.25 | mertin | but not in the good old gdm |
| 12:05.33 | thrashold | mertin: I have autologin with sid on my pocket computer, but I find autologin silly for a desktop or laptop. |
| 12:05.44 | Zapadlo | Hello everyone. I will try and articulate my question to the best of my abilities. I have an on-board nvidia sound card as well as Create XFi. Squeeze loads them at random on start-up, so I had to fiddle with speakers on startup. Now, I set XFi to be default in /etc/asound.conf. However this broke my microphone, which is a USB, and so appears as a separate card in /etc/asound/cards. Do I need to add something to my configuration? Cheers |
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| 12:05.53 | mertin | here at work I have gdm 2.20.7-4 |
| 12:06.15 | thewanderer11 | mertin: gdm3 is impaired like KDE4 used to be, use the old gdm. |
| 12:06.23 | thewanderer11 | sth like KDE4.0 |
| 12:06.40 | mertin | I have no security risks whatsoever and also my girlfriend gets suspicious if I have a strong password |
| 12:06.51 | mertin | thanks for the tip, I will |
| 12:07.15 | mertin | although it's a netbook... but still, no "sensible" data there |
| 12:07.16 | thrashold | Girlfriends are security risks, and you're supposed to have a strong password if you have one |
| 12:07.20 | Dagger2 | sounds like your girlfriend is a security risk :P |
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| 12:07.25 | kmonk | Zapadlo: it sounds like they are trying to share channels, pulseaudio is a solution to this issue when implimented correctly. |
| 12:07.26 | thewanderer11 | lol guys |
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| 12:07.34 | mertin | if it gets stolen, the data will be the least of my worries |
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| 12:08.56 | thewanderer11 | if it gets stolen, a password won't help you, only encryption will... |
| 12:09.06 | Zapadlo | kmonk Thanks, I tried avoiding pulseaudio. I also tried setting NVidia as default, but then I can only get single channel playback, so if by accident I have 2+ output sounds it crashes. But only when I force it to be default. |
| 12:09.26 | kmonk | get the MAC addreess, then you can give that to your ISP and assist them in tracking down the theif...well, it was an idea anyway. |
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| 12:09.48 | mertin | if it gets stolen, the poor guy that robbed me will sell it for 100 bucks to someone else who in turn will format it and install windows on it |
| 12:10.01 | mertin | I'm not a secret agent, no one will hack into my data |
| 12:10.15 | thewanderer11 | Zapadlo: pulseaudio mostly works for me (breaks once a day or so) |
| 12:10.29 | thewanderer11 | still, it's often as usable as GNOME itself |
| 12:10.47 | Zapadlo | Ok, I'll give it a try, after I install do I need to force it to be used? |
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| 12:11.33 | thrashold | mertin: The point of being cautious for your data is to reduce overall security breaches. If there is a 1% chance that someone will abuse your data, and you and people like you protect it, 1 in 100 people will have less troubles :) |
| 12:11.44 | kmonk | it requires manual configuration, the wiki is pretty helpful in this regard however |
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| 12:11.56 | thrashold | mertin: And Debian makes full disk encryption on a laptop trivial to implement :) |
| 12:12.11 | mertin | I'll think about it... thanks :D |
| 12:12.16 | mertin | So, another question. I have another question. This is a vpcm120al Sony vaio netbook. The speakers work well, but when I plug the headphones jack... sound mutes from the speakers but doesn't come out of the headphones... |
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| 12:12.30 | Zapadlo | kmonk Ta |
| 12:12.57 | kmonk | do the headphones have a microphone as well? |
| 12:12.58 | thrashold | mertin: Is there headphone control in the mixer? (Try using alsamixer) |
| 12:13.00 | mertin | its strange because if it mutes the internal speakers, it means that it recognizes the plug and switches to headphones |
| 12:13.01 | kmonk | Zapadlo: np :D |
| 12:13.06 | mertin | I tried alsamixer |
| 12:13.16 | mertin | but theres no headphones there |
| 12:13.18 | Dagger2 | that switch is probably done in hardware |
| 12:13.21 | mertin | used tab to see all |
| 12:13.25 | mertin | but still no headphones |
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| 12:14.07 | thrashold | mertin: It could be another master volume, or a control with a strange name. |
| 12:14.19 | thrashold | mertin: It could also be a hardware issue |
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| 12:14.23 | mertin | I tried all volumes in alsamixer |
| 12:14.48 | mertin | but it's still strange that theres no "headphones" control in alsamixer, right? |
| 12:14.56 | thewanderer11 | mertin: no :P |
| 12:14.59 | mertin | oh, ok |
| 12:15.07 | mertin | but I heard that other people have it |
| 12:15.27 | thrashold | mertin: Well, I have headphone control on the soundcards that don't need/have one. It's normal to expect that those who need it won't have it :P |
| 12:15.29 | mertin | I have it here at work |
| 12:15.45 | thewanderer11 | mertin: here on my ThinkPad X60, the switching is in hardware only, so I have stuff like Master and PCM |
| 12:16.10 | thewanderer11 | a more probable name would be 'Front' or sth like that when you expect to have multiple outputs |
| 12:16.57 | thewanderer11 | on newer IdeaPad's though I've seen it done in software, so you should try to choose another sound card (F6 in alsamixer) |
| 12:17.11 | thewanderer11 | it might just show several soundcards |
| 12:17.28 | linis | which is the place i should be looking at if my system come across any problem ?? like any log, is it 'dmesg' ?? |
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| 12:18.13 | mertin | theres the actual proper sound card, and then there's "default" |
| 12:18.27 | mertin | I think I tried default too, but didn't make a difference |
| 12:18.29 | macrobat | linis: depends on the problem :D there are logs in /var/log |
| 12:19.38 | thewanderer11 | mertin: when you plug in the headphones, does another soundcard appear? :P |
| 12:20.04 | mertin | what? no. Was that a joke? |
| 12:20.13 | abrotman | hopefully |
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| 12:20.44 | kmonk | in alsamixer |
| 12:20.53 | thrashold | mertin: No. ALSA is weird. |
| 12:20.58 | kmonk | tapping "m" will mute/unmute a device |
| 12:21.03 | thrashold | mertin: ls -1d /proc/asound/card0/pcm?p |
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| 12:21.22 | mertin | oh thats a good tip. I'll try that. tapping m |
| 12:21.40 | mertin | thrashold: what does that do? |
| 12:21.56 | thrashold | mertin: Lists all playback "subdevices" your sound device has |
| 12:22.11 | thrashold | mertin: If there is more than one, the other could be your headphones, which would be pretty bad |
| 12:22.12 | fas3r | i try to use fluxbox with freenx everything except one thing. When im connect to NXclient, fluxbox freeze (i use XDM). if somebody have an idea |
| 12:22.14 | kmonk | tkmixer is a nice, budget looking alsamixer replacement |
| 12:22.56 | kmonk | only it has a gui so, it kinda propels you into the 21st century of mixer interfaces |
| 12:23.00 | thrashold | mertin: cat /proc/asound/pcm # would give you moe detailed info |
| 12:23.30 | mertin | I didn't know sound devices had sub devices! |
| 12:24.06 | mertin | thrashold: why would it be pretty bad? |
| 12:24.27 | thrashold | mertin: Having to use different alsa device to output something to headphones would suck :) |
| 12:24.40 | mertin | oh, yes |
| 12:24.44 | linis | macrobat: say for instance my xorg doesnt load, and i cant login. logins through command mode, where should i go check ?? |
| 12:24.50 | mertin | is this not related to missing drivers? |
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| 12:25.44 | thrashold | mertin: No, but it might be a hardware issue, badly written driver, bad default configuration of the driver, or hardware that requires tweaking of the driver |
| 12:25.47 | kmonk | fas3r: what is your objective? nxclient? you might want to rephrase your question |
| 12:26.00 | mertin | or is there hope to have it fixed with a future system update? |
| 12:26.06 | fas3r | kmonk: yes exactly i use nxclient |
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| 12:26.39 | fas3r | i see the desktop of fluxbox but it freeze |
| 12:26.47 | amphi | linis: /var/log/Xorg.0.log might be informative |
| 12:28.00 | kmonk | what interface are you using for nx client? qtnx? and what freezes, the client or your entire desktop? |
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| 12:28.36 | fas3r | kmonk: i use nomachine client with the nxserver from nomachine too. |
| 12:28.45 | fas3r | its the entire desktop |
| 12:29.43 | fas3r | and configure nxclient like this : Unix --> Custom -->Run the following command " /usr/NX/bin/nxwrapper /usr/bin/startfluxbox" and i choose New virtual desktop |
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| 12:30.18 | naildownx | can someone give me a link to the Debian package list? |
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| 12:31.07 | kmonk | soree :( gtg bbl |
| 12:31.36 | fas3r | kmonk: you talk to me ? |
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| 12:32.53 | AngelBroz^aw | hey, good morning, i have installedDebian 5.05 on my Dell Studio 15, but when i try to login i just get a gray screen with some bar color D:, i logged with single mode user and trie to configure X's but nope, is still the same with kdm or gdm, anyone can help me? |
| 12:33.12 | MrFrood | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:34.32 | abrotman | AngelBroz^aw: Pretty new laptop ? Do you know the video device? |
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| 12:34.40 | abrotman | AngelBroz^aw: did you `aptitude install xorg` ? |
| 12:35.20 | mertin | one more thing: I installed gnome but I hate and never use evolution, rhythmbox, games, and many more apps. I tried to remove them but aptitude says it will remove the package "gnome" as well. Note that this is not the "gnome-desktop-envirnonment" meta-package. It's called just "gnome". And if I agreed to remove it it would take away ALL apps. I saw it listed all the apps so I desperately hit "q". So, is there a way to remove those apps without losing |
| 12:35.20 | mertin | gnome? |
| 12:36.04 | abrotman | !install gnome |
| 12:36.04 | dpkg | To install GNOME: install the 'gnome' package to install everything, the 'gnome-desktop-environment' package for slightly less stuff, or the 'gnome-core' package for even less. You will need X installed as well, ask me about <install x>. http://wiki.debian.org/Gnome |
| 12:36.09 | abrotman | mertin: works better if you start smaller .. |
| 12:36.14 | abrotman | !tell mertin about unmarkauto |
| 12:37.14 | mertin | how does unmarkauto work |
| 12:37.27 | wmg | mertin: you can use apt-get purge rhythmbox and then aptitude keep-all |
| 12:37.47 | wmg | (aptitude will purge dependencies with what you mark; apt-get won't) |
| 12:37.49 | mertin | what does aptitude keep-all do? |
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| 12:38.04 | wmg | it says "I know I've marked all these things for removal; forget that and keep them all" |
| 12:38.25 | mertin | but how do I use it |
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| 12:38.42 | mertin | "aptitude remove evolution unmarkauto gnome" ? |
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| 12:38.53 | abrotman | is that what it says? |
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| 12:39.00 | abrotman | see what the bot told you in msg |
| 12:39.26 | AngelBroz^aw | abrotman: nope, what aptitude do? is like apt-get? i thing that Xorg is installed |
| 12:39.37 | abrotman | AngelBroz^aw: just try it .. see what happens |
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| 12:39.51 | AngelBroz^aw | okay =) |
| 12:40.05 | BarthezZ | anyone know how i can get iptraf to show traffic on just a vlan interface? |
| 12:40.13 | abrotman | AngelBroz^aw: tohugh you didn't answer the rest of my question |
| 12:40.45 | AngelBroz^aw | ooh sorry i lose that lines, what question abrotman |
| 12:40.55 | abrotman | AngelBroz^aw: Pretty new laptop ? Do you know the video device? |
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| 12:43.01 | abrotman | and he still doesn't answer ... |
| 12:43.27 | AngelBroz^aw | wait, its a dell studio i have like 2 years with that laptop |
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| 12:44.26 | AngelBroz^aw | ammm the video card, im not sure abrotman , nvida |
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| 12:44.59 | abrotman | !tell AngelBroz^aw about nvidia |
| 12:46.15 | AngelBroz^aw | nice bot :) |
| 12:46.16 | TMM | anyone have any experience with Debian sparc? I just got a sun fire V240 |
| 12:46.29 | AngelBroz^aw | thank you abrotman i will check it out |
| 12:46.43 | petemc | TMM: i use debian on a sunfire v210 |
| 12:46.57 | abrotman | calls Dell |
| 12:47.01 | petemc | heh |
| 12:47.05 | TMM | petemc, interesting, does it work well? |
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| 12:47.25 | petemc | TMM: was a pain to install on, had to use etch installer, but otherwise aye |
| 12:47.37 | mertin | oh, I got it. So is it for example |
| 12:47.43 | petemc | squeeze and lenny installers had bugs with that model |
| 12:47.44 | mertin | aptitude unmarkauto rhythmbox |
| 12:47.52 | mertin | and then I can do aptitude remove rhythmbox |
| 12:47.59 | abrotman | yes |
| 12:48.00 | mertin | and it won't carry all gnome with it |
| 12:48.06 | mertin | great! |
| 12:48.13 | TMM | petemc, alright, I'll just try with all of them then |
| 12:48.17 | mertin | can I do that with all the other apps? even evolution? |
| 12:48.36 | mertin | I heard that evolution is *really* integrated into gnome, like with the calendar |
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| 12:48.50 | TMM | petemc, do the installers support booting on serial-only systems? |
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| 12:48.55 | petemc | TMM: yes |
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| 12:49.24 | TMM | petemc, alright, sounds like an interesting experiment! |
| 12:49.32 | TMM | petemc, mind if I call on you some more if I fuck up? :) |
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| 12:49.49 | petemc | you can ask in here, if im here ill answer |
| 12:50.01 | abrotman | if .. |
| 12:50.09 | TMM | petemc, alright! :D |
| 12:50.28 | petemc | im sure im not the only one here using debian on sparc |
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| 12:51.41 | abrotman | there's a #debian-sparc on irc.oftc.net |
| 12:52.03 | reuss_ | hi, i have an integrated ati hd4200 card and the xserver crash and says "no screen found". it is lenny. Any clue? |
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| 12:54.29 | SOUL_OF_R00T | reuss_, i'm using the same chippp on the note with amd64 lenny without probems vanila kernel install solve all problems with drivers |
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| 13:01.50 | djura-san | \o_ |
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| 13:03.20 | wieshka | any ideas fro this ? mount.nfs: 192.168.10.243:/data/uplaods failed, reason given by server: Permission denied |
| 13:04.38 | mertin | yet another question. I've seen that in W7 once the battery is fully charged the red light goes off so it's like it commuted to wired power supply directly. Wich is pretty reasonable. But in debian it gets stuck in 98% and never turns the light off |
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| 13:05.19 | mertin | is that possible? |
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| 13:11.11 | reuss_ | soul_of_root: this is a vanilla kernel too, a fresh install 32 bit |
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| 13:11.27 | reuss_ | SOUL_OF_ROOT: this is a vanilla kernel too, a fresh install 32 bit |
| 13:11.51 | reuss_ | SOUL_OF_ROOT: what is in your xorg.conf? |
| 13:11.56 | johnr | hi there, can someone help me figure out what caused a memory spike on my webserver? |
| 13:13.29 | johnr | or rather, how I could go about figuring it out |
| 13:14.22 | johnr | ever since midnight saturday it's been running pegged at just under 6gb |
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| 13:17.13 | petemc | johnr: top |
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| 13:17.45 | johnr | petemc: I've been running it, but currently can't see anything taking up that much |
| 13:18.12 | johnr | it does say i have 1 zombie process which I can't kill |
| 13:18.38 | stew | johnr: what does "free -m | sed -n 2p" return? |
| 13:19.31 | johnr | petemc: 5990, 5876, 114, 0, 275, 3303 |
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| 13:20.26 | stew | so there is a little more than 3.5 gigs left available? |
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| 13:20.53 | johnr | stew: not according to top or munin |
| 13:21.09 | johnr | there is 6gb in the box |
| 13:21.15 | stew | johnr: the last two columns are unused ram being put to use, but can be reclaimed at any time if needed |
| 13:21.36 | stew | johnr: the last column says that 3.3 gigs of ram is being used as disk cache because nothing else was using it |
| 13:21.45 | bintje | how can i stop a command? i opened a terminal window and did "ping 192.168.1.1" and now its pinging endless |
| 13:21.48 | stew | johnr: /msg dpkg free memory |
| 13:21.49 | bintje | is there a way to stop it :) |
| 13:21.59 | stew | bintje: hit ctrl+c |
| 13:22.15 | bintje | thx |
| 13:23.11 | johnr | sorry for a noob question stew, but why did that just suddenly happen? |
| 13:24.09 | stew | johnr: because you suddenly read a bunch of files off disk, since there was memory not being used, your os decided it might as well put the memory to use by caching the files, in case they are asked to be read again (as often happens when a web server serves the same pages over and over) |
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| 13:24.57 | johnr | ok, so actually the huge orange swath on my memory graph is actually just as usable as free memory? wow. |
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| 13:25.24 | stew | johnr: typically, no, unless it is smart enough to subtract cached/buffered memory |
| 13:25.46 | stew | johnr: any linux machine that has been up long enough will show very little free memory, since free memory is wasted memory |
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| 13:26.16 | johnr | stew: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/43878/Memory%20usage-3.png |
| 13:26.19 | ksk | ls |
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| 13:26.40 | sep | johnr, yes just as available as free mem |
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| 13:26.52 | johnr | you can see why that graph alarmed me for a moment |
| 13:26.54 | johnr | :) |
| 13:27.19 | stew | johnr: oh, sorry i misread your question, yeah, what sep said. the orange stuff can be made availble to apps instantaneously if needed |
| 13:27.24 | alcohol | looks like munin o: |
| 13:27.35 | johnr | alcohol: correct |
| 13:27.52 | alcohol | but it mentions quite clearly it's cache? |
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| 13:28.08 | johnr | is ignorant |
| 13:28.24 | alcohol | though your apps memory did spike quite sudden and quite high |
| 13:28.38 | johnr | alcohol: yeah, morning rush |
| 13:28.40 | alcohol | installed a service perhaps? |
| 13:28.43 | alcohol | ah |
| 13:28.59 | johnr | (webserver) |
| 13:29.05 | alcohol | http://monitor.nowcast.nl/nanon.nl/database.nanon.nl.html |
| 13:29.10 | alcohol | my database is sleeping 24/7 |
| 13:29.10 | alcohol | :< |
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| 13:30.43 | johnr | thanks very much stew and sep |
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| 13:31.40 | mertin | so what's the easiest way to set up fs encryption in an already installed system? |
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| 13:32.31 | alcohol | mertin: reinstall |
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| 13:33.47 | jatt | nope |
| 13:34.09 | mertin | bummer |
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| 13:34.46 | mertin | I spent all yesterday tweaking the fresh install |
| 13:34.48 | mertin | :P |
| 13:34.50 | moldovean | !reinstall |
| 13:34.50 | dpkg | [reinstall] aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone> <debian clone> |
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| 13:36.13 | abrotman | mertin: guess you forgot to tweak that part? |
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| 13:37.22 | mertin | yes I just got interested in it |
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| 13:37.34 | mertin | but maybe I'll forget about it as easily too :P |
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| 13:46.12 | rkhshm | Im trying to find out if ther are any differenced between "sun-java6-jdk" and "default-jdk-builddep" packages |
| 13:46.27 | rkhshm | can anyone let me know of it pls? |
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| 13:49.05 | salomao | debian 5 blocks port redirection? |
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| 13:49.33 | jelly | !tell salomao about ask |
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| 13:50.28 | themill | rkhshm: default-jdk-builddep was a package (that no longer exist) for helping with native compilation of java. If you're not building java packages for debian, you don't want it. |
| 13:50.38 | salomao | jelly: I need to redirect some ports, but the rule will not work. |
| 13:51.08 | jelly | salomao: you still haven't provided the actual command you used and the way it failed. |
| 13:51.50 | jelly | salomao: does the exact same rule work on the same hardware platform with a different distro? |
| 13:52.08 | salomao | jelly: |
| 13:52.10 | salomao | minute |
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| 13:52.46 | jelly | salomao: use a pastebin for more than 2-4 lines |
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| 13:53.21 | salomao | jeely: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -i eth0 --dport 80 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.0.253:80 |
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| 13:54.19 | jelly | salomao: and 192.168.0.253 is an IP address bound to that same eth0 interface? |
| 13:55.05 | salomao | no, eth0 = internet, eth1 = lan (192.168...) |
| 13:55.34 | jelly | salomao: have you verified that that traffic comes to eth1 using eg. tcpdump? |
| 13:55.46 | petemc | salomao: is there a rule to allow traffic for 192.168.0.253 back out? |
| 13:56.47 | salomao | 192.168.0.253 just a windows with iis, i have 2 internet servers, 1- ubuntu=work fine, 2 debian= not redirect. |
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| 13:57.53 | salomao | the same rule in 2 |
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| 14:00.39 | jelly | salomao: care to pastebin the output of iptables-save on both? |
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| 14:01.58 | jelly | also, there are other tunables that may affect the functionality (like ip_forwarding not being enabled at all, a silly mistake but it happens) |
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| 14:02.21 | salomao | cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 14:02.22 | salomao | 1 |
| 14:03.10 | reuss_ | SOUL_OF_R00T: what driver are you using? radeon? |
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| 14:04.22 | Mr_Brown | I have a problem with my debian and the device Hard(EVA) trough fiber channel I have two(2) FB working with multipath but not all the path work well can you see the out #multipath -l -v2 http://pastebin.com/XDTSy6QS are there any one who know what is wrong ?thanks |
| 14:05.12 | bzed | Mr_Brown: smells like you need to activate th eproper hardware handler for that device |
| 14:05.22 | bzed | Mr_Brown: I guess its an active/passive machine? |
| 14:06.33 | bzed | :| |
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| 14:06.54 | bzed | Mr_Brown: did you see my reply? |
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| 14:07.12 | bintje | i installed debian on a computer with a windowsXP runnning.. now debian is the first OS in the GRUB loader so if i'm not choosing for 3 seconds debian will boot - i'd like windows to boot |
| 14:07.18 | bintje | can i change the order in the grub loader? |
| 14:07.30 | Mr_Brown | I am check in , thanks |
| 14:07.50 | bzed | bintje: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and move the windows part below the automatically generated part |
| 14:07.59 | bintje | k |
| 14:08.13 | bzed | Mr_Brown: also you might need to configure a hp specific priority callout |
| 14:08.28 | Mr_Brown | this is my multipath.conf can you see http://pastebin.com/Tx2NJ2S5 |
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| 14:10.02 | bzed | Mr_Brown: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBUQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Ftonykorn97.itpub.net%2Fget%2F6414%2FDevice%2520Mapper%2520Multipath%2520Configuration%2520Guide%2520for%2520HP%2520StorageWorks%2520Arrays.pdf&rct=j&q=hsv200%20multipath-tools&ei=aLt7TPatG8-UswbZqbSxDQ&usg=AFQjCNGttSV2iLJ2mew6sH7f1WXgfXXQfQ |
| 14:10.06 | bintje | whats the command in the terminal to open this *.lst and edit it |
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| 14:10.13 | themill | bzed: EURLTOOLONG |
| 14:10.30 | Mr_Brown | bzed: I did not see any replay, Where did you do ? |
| 14:11.13 | bzed | Mr_Brown (and themill ;): http://deb.li/31kaV |
| 14:11.19 | themill | hehe |
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| 14:11.38 | bzed | bintje: choose the editor you like... and you need to do it as root |
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| 14:11.49 | bzed | bintje: nano or vim or any other editor |
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| 14:12.00 | bzed | Mr_Brown: at least your path grouping policy is wrong |
| 14:12.18 | bzed | Mr_Brown: the pdf I linked you to (which is available at hp.com somewhere, too) should tell you more |
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| 14:12.41 | Mr_Brown | I will check thanks. |
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| 14:14.55 | bintje | ok |
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| 14:22.10 | jelly | Mr_Brown: clippy says: "You seem to have a midrange SAN FC storage component, please contact your hardware vendor for multipath.conf configuration" |
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| 14:25.00 | jelly | when we had an old HP EVA5000 ("HSV110" as opposed to this "HSV200"), it used to use driver-supported mpath (and qlogic HBA drivers built from qlogic-provided source) |
| 14:25.25 | jelly | hopefully HP has caught up with the times, but who knows |
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| 14:25.56 | Mr_Brown | bzed: I read the PDF document, but I dont find which is the error tha you saw in my multipath.conf |
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| 14:27.47 | Mr_Brown | jelly: my harware vendor don't suport debian. I have to fix byu my self |
| 14:28.25 | bzed | Mr_Brown: HP supports debian |
| 14:28.52 | bzed | Mr_Brown: at least your path grouping policy is wrong |
| 14:28.57 | bzed | Mr_Brown: and you rpriority callout |
| 14:29.05 | danols | could someone point me to how I can setup an sftp account ? Or is simply adding a new user create the sftp access automatically? |
| 14:29.07 | bzed | Mr_Brown: check the hsv200 part in the examples... |
| 14:29.21 | bintje | how can i rename a file via terminal? - sorry i dont know any commands under debian |
| 14:29.23 | Mr_Brown | ok |
| 14:29.26 | bzed | danols: install the openssh server, thats all you need |
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| 14:30.32 | danols | bzed: I already have it installed so what should I do next ? |
| 14:30.38 | krion | bintje: mv oldfilename newfilename |
| 14:30.51 | bzed | danols: use sftp :) |
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| 14:31.31 | bzed | danols: (sftp as in the secure file transfer program, using ssh. not ftp with ssl... that would be ftps) |
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| 14:32.33 | danols | bzed: I understand that's what I use right now - but I have www-data user I would like to upload under |
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| 14:32.56 | bintje | thx krion |
| 14:33.21 | danols | or simply would creating a new user allow me to sftp under it ? |
| 14:33.22 | bintje | maybe i just messed up with grub loader |
| 14:33.35 | bintje | nah i didnt! sweet |
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| 14:33.48 | bintje | Microsoft Windows XP - other operationg systems and then 2 debian distris |
| 14:33.49 | bintje | sweet thx all |
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| 14:35.44 | bintje | is debian able to access nfts harddiscs? |
| 14:35.54 | bintje | *ntfs |
| 14:36.03 | at0m | bintje: see samba |
| 14:36.07 | bintje | k |
| 14:36.37 | at0m | bintje: oh im sorry, thought of the win network share |
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| 14:43.17 | jelly | Mr_Brown: so take the config for the next closest thing, eg. RHEL5 |
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| 14:49.36 | naildownx | is squeeze still in alpha 1? |
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| 14:54.01 | abrotman | naildownx: not really, don't use those images, they're pretty out of date at this point |
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| 14:56.49 | bintje | if i go for: wget http:xxxxx.something where will the file be saved in debian? |
| 14:56.55 | bintje | /user/home ? |
| 14:57.04 | greycat | in your current working directory |
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| 14:57.12 | bintje | ah ok |
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| 15:01.33 | naildownx | abchirk, thanks |
| 15:01.38 | naildownx | abrotman, thanks |
| 15:01.52 | naildownx | abrotman, I am building a server and trying to use the latest images I can |
| 15:01.59 | abrotman | naildownx: for external use? |
| 15:02.12 | naildownx | yes |
| 15:02.26 | abrotman | that's not a very smart idea .. squeeze has no real security support |
| 15:02.34 | naildownx | hmmm |
| 15:02.39 | naildownx | should I use lenny? |
| 15:02.47 | abrotman | that would be a better idea, yes |
| 15:02.55 | naildownx | even for just a webserver? |
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| 15:03.02 | naildownx | simple lamp? |
| 15:03.11 | beardy | Always, always stable for a server. |
| 15:03.12 | rvsjoen | especially for lamp |
| 15:03.20 | naildownx | koo |
| 15:03.21 | jelly | naildownx: if it's going to serve anything but static pages, yes. |
| 15:03.22 | abrotman | sure .. unless you have some crazy PHP requirements, lenny will work just fine |
| 15:03.44 | naildownx | ok good to know, I will go get the latest stable lenny release then |
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| 15:04.14 | tharkun | Good morning. How can i pinpoint the program that is making this terrible beep noise. I tried every trick in the book but for the momment the only solution is to unload the soundcards module. Not the best solution when you want also to listen to some music |
| 15:04.48 | abrotman | !tell tharkun about bell |
| 15:05.11 | beardy | tharkun: Not many things beep without either being interactive, or being told to. |
| 15:05.12 | tharkun | abrotman: thx read it late last night it didn't wokr |
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| 15:05.40 | beardy | tharkun: So, what are you doing when it beeps? |
| 15:06.05 | beardy | tharkun: Typing in a terminal? |
| 15:06.09 | tharkun | beardy: tab completion |
| 15:06.17 | beardy | tharkun: Right. |
| 15:06.23 | beardy | !shell beep |
| 15:06.23 | dpkg | hmm... shell beep is man inputrc ; man readline (i.e. edit ~/.inputrc and set bell-style none) - also man setterm. |
| 15:06.41 | Ober7 | tharkun, you tried backlisting pcspkr? |
| 15:06.43 | greycat | Or use vi mode. ;-) |
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| 15:06.55 | themill | tharkun: which terminal emulator? |
| 15:06.57 | tharkun | Ober7: pcspkr and the alsa module that emulates it |
| 15:07.00 | greycat | "man xset" if you're in X. |
| 15:07.10 | tharkun | themill: xterm and uxterm |
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| 15:07.21 | tharkun | greycat: xset b off is of no use |
| 15:07.45 | greycat | I very seriously doubt that. |
| 15:08.21 | foetus | hello - after installing a self prepared kernel i miss the 'vmlinuz' link under boot, how can i figure this out? |
| 15:08.23 | Ober7 | tharkun, tried muting Beep in alsamixer? |
| 15:08.32 | tharkun | Ober7: it is muted |
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| 15:08.59 | beardy | tharkun: Also, if this box doesn't have a real pcspeaker and emulates it, run alsamixer and mute or slide down "Beep". |
| 15:09.14 | tharkun | greycat: When i say something is because i am damn sure about it. You can believe whatever you want. Please don't add insult to injury |
| 15:10.02 | tharkun | beardy: I did that late last night. There is no influence of the beep slider on the volume of the beep |
| 15:10.03 | beardy | You'd know if he did that.. that wasn |
| 15:10.08 | beardy | t it :) |
| 15:10.36 | foetus | and - what is the reason for this selfmagic renaming of network interfaces? |
| 15:10.59 | tharkun | my bag of tricks is empty for the momment. Any one care to add an extra one ? |
| 15:11.05 | greycat | !tell foetus about 70 |
| 15:11.13 | naildownx | abrotman: is debian 505 the one I need? |
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| 15:11.17 | beardy | foetus: The reason is udev. |
| 15:11.20 | Blackhold | hi, good afternoon |
| 15:11.21 | abrotman | naildownx: Yes |
| 15:11.29 | greycat | tharkun: hmm... I'm trying to duplicate your claim, and I can't manage to turn the bell ON on my Debian box.... |
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| 15:11.40 | Blackhold | could someone give me some help, I have a system that don't boot |
| 15:11.45 | abrotman | tharkun: what terminal emulator are oyu using? |
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| 15:11.57 | tharkun | abrotman: xterm and uxterm |
| 15:12.15 | naildownx | I am going to grab the netinst iso |
| 15:12.22 | Blackhold | http://piratepad.net/marsupi <- this is the message that it appears, it stoped here and don't boots |
| 15:12.24 | abrotman | naildownx: Great plan! |
| 15:13.02 | greycat | tharkun: on my HP-UX box, I can type "xset b on" and "set -o emacs" and here a bell for every time I press backspace at the start of a line. No problem. Then "xset b off" makes the bell go away. |
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| 15:13.16 | greycat | But I can't get the bell on my Debian box, so I'm not going to put any more effort into it. |
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| 15:13.31 | tharkun | greycat: Thx for your time. |
| 15:13.32 | greycat | goes back to set -o vi and xset b off as normal |
| 15:13.54 | beardy | will have a look with Beep in alsa on in xterm.. |
| 15:14.43 | tharkun | I believe somewhere on the initial installation of debian all the right knobs are turned. Since this installation started as a minimal netinst install i stongly believe there are some knobs that i am not turning at the moment |
| 15:15.01 | naildownx | is there a way I can pull up fdisk before I install debian so I can wipe my hd good? |
| 15:15.06 | foetus | beardy: ah, thanks for the message, very useful. i helped myself with a static rule to solve this renaming, but what in fact is the reason? |
| 15:15.18 | tharkun | goes to fix some coffee |
| 15:15.34 | Digdilem | naildownx, the installer will allow you to reset partitions. that's fine for wiping unless you're madly paranoid |
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| 15:15.39 | tharkun | naildownx: use a livecd for that |
| 15:15.44 | Digdilem | in which case get a proper bootcd wiper |
| 15:16.04 | naildownx | koo, I just like for my server to be cleaned good before I install anything |
| 15:16.25 | abrotman | !tell naildownx about dban |
| 15:16.34 | abrotman | naildownx: that will absoluately erase *everything* on the system |
| 15:16.40 | abrotman | absolutely |
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| 15:16.49 | naildownx | koo, thanks abrotman I will check that out |
| 15:16.52 | beardy | foetus: The reason is that udev adds the cards in different order sometimes I guess, or just picks a number somewhat randomly or in a sequence.. what greycat told you about names them statically mapped against device id. |
| 15:16.54 | naildownx | disc has been burned :D |
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| 15:18.29 | greycat | beardy: I think it has to do with the order in which whatever-it-is-this-year (discover?) finds the hardware and loads the kernel modules, and the modules finish initiatlizing and grab interfaces |
| 15:18.46 | Mr_Brown | bzed: I got it, thanks just change the parameter path_checker with tur before I have this parameter with readsector0 |
| 15:19.34 | wieshka | mount.nfs: 192.168.10.243:/data/uplaods/ failed, reason given by server: Permission denied |
| 15:19.39 | wieshka | suggestions ? |
| 15:19.47 | wieshka | no firewall |
| 15:19.48 | greycat | Tell the server to allow you. |
| 15:19.52 | wieshka | host is reachable |
| 15:19.53 | Blackhold | wieshka: ping? |
| 15:20.00 | Blackhold | username and pass? |
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| 15:20.06 | greycat | Your client has to be listed in the server's /etc/exports or analogous file. |
| 15:20.07 | wieshka | no username/pass |
| 15:20.16 | foetus | beardy, greycat: thanks, curious thing..however.. - but.. great help! |
| 15:20.17 | themill | greycat: discover is *so* 2003 |
| 15:20.17 | Blackhold | uplaods <- uploads? |
| 15:20.20 | greycat | NFS does not use usernames or passwords. It uses client system's IP address vs. whitelist. |
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| 15:20.25 | wieshka | greycat: it is listes as 192.168.10.0/24 |
| 15:20.40 | greycat | wieshka: perhaps the server doesn't see you that way...? |
| 15:20.47 | foetus | dealing with dpkg this time.. |
| 15:20.51 | wieshka | Blackhold: lol, thx |
| 15:20.54 | Mr_Brown | bzed, now you can see in http://pastebin.com/3ADFGRb0 I think is right now |
| 15:20.57 | wieshka | yeah - i need some sleep :D |
| 15:20.57 | ongolaBoy | hello guys.How does my system behave within a short reload of my iptables script ? Is it open or it's using former config ? |
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| 15:21.39 | alcohol | ongolaBoy: #netfilter, ontopic: define reload? iptables-restore < ruleset is virtually instant |
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| 15:23.15 | foetus | ok. i help myself with a mac-rule, seems to work nice. |
| 15:23.51 | Blackhold | wieshka: not at all ;) |
| 15:24.21 | Blackhold | guys, any idea 'cause my system is not running init scripts? |
| 15:24.26 | foetus | never had a renaming of eth0 to eth2 and eth1 to eth3.. strange thing.. |
| 15:24.44 | bzed | Mr_Brown: btw, multipathd -k drops you into the multipath cli |
| 15:24.44 | themill | foetus: you should not have had to do anything at all to get persistent network device names. |
| 15:24.50 | bzed | Mr_Brown: might be useful :) |
| 15:24.52 | ongolaBoy | alcohol: good to know it's virtually instant :) |
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| 15:26.35 | beardy | tharkun: 'xset b off' doesn't seem to make a difference to xterm no.. |
| 15:26.42 | foetus | themill: hmm, but i must ensure my network :) so its the best to me make a udev rule.. |
| 15:27.03 | beardy | tharkun: Quick fix until we test more, use visual bell. 'xterm -vb'. |
| 15:27.07 | greycat | beardy: if that's the case, then something is VERY different about Debian compared to ever other Unix system I've used |
| 15:27.15 | themill | foetus: there would already have been a rule there for you. You don't need to make one. |
| 15:27.21 | beardy | greycat: Seems so. |
| 15:28.25 | tharkun | beardy: thx how do i make it the default ? |
| 15:28.27 | foetus | themill: 00-net-renaming.rule and add my macs..why not? but - i will take a look, thanks, themill. |
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| 15:29.02 | greycat | reads factoid after factoid and finds "snd-pcsp (PC Speaker sound card driver) is blacklisted by default since ...." |
| 15:29.05 | greycat | Huh. |
| 15:29.10 | themill | foetus: as dpkg told you, /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules already has that rule |
| 15:29.17 | Mr_Brown | bzed: ok, btw in some documentacion I saw the parameter path_checker with readsector0 bue in the pdf that not even exit. thanks |
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| 15:29.32 | tharkun | greycat: yes, just for the sake of sanity i also manually blacklisted it |
| 15:29.38 | foetus | themill: ok. i take a look.. |
| 15:30.16 | greycat | I'm wondering how to get the speaker ON so I can attempt to reproduce these insane things tharkun and beardy are saying. |
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| 15:30.46 | tharkun | greycat: first check that the bell is indeed connected :) |
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| 15:31.20 | greycat | apparently "sudo modprobe snd-pcsp" or "sudo modprobe snd_pcsp" aren't it. |
| 15:31.40 | tharkun | try the pc-spkr module |
| 15:31.44 | beardy | greycat: What kind? Real "pc speaker" or emulated? |
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| 15:32.41 | foetus | themill: but 75-persistent-net-generator.rules overwrites it, makes it sense, to change something in 70-persistent-net.rules? |
| 15:32.45 | beardy | !pcspkr |
| 15:32.45 | dpkg | The PC Speaker makes an annoying BEEPing <bell> sound from within your computer (usually a piezoelectric speaker, attached to the motherboard). Blacklist "pcspkr" (PC Speaker beeper driver) to kill it, ask me about <blacklist>. snd-pcsp (PC Speaker sound card driver) is blacklisted by default since alsa-driver 1.0.17.dfsg-4. |
| 15:32.57 | blurt | hah, if you are all discussing the un-silenceable bell, I have it too... Emulated PC speaker, pcspkr blacklisted |
| 15:33.17 | foetus | let the bell ring :) |
| 15:33.21 | bzed | pcspkr should be blacklisted automatically when you install the alsa packages |
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| 15:33.40 | foetus | i hate that. |
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| 15:33.47 | beardy | Well.. I haven't been bothered since mine wasmuted by defsult in alsamixer but I was joyous when I noticed it worked. |
| 15:34.20 | beardy | But I most often keep it muted. |
| 15:35.16 | foetus | ok applied i must reboot |
| 15:35.18 | themill | foetus: no, the generator does not overwrite it. I realise English is not your native language, but you might like to look up "persistent" to help you understand what is going on here. There are also comments in 75*generator that explain how this is done. |
| 15:35.32 | foetus | oops |
| 15:37.43 | greycat | OK, you guys made me curious enough to pop the cover off the Debian box's case. |
| 15:38.02 | greycat | I can't see a speaker, but it COULD be hidden under the power supply or the drive thingy or whatever. |
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| 15:38.22 | beardy | greycat: Reboot it and listen for the POST beep. |
| 15:38.24 | foetus | themill: ok. maybe i must read something. but this renaming is not a way to make linux much more better, imho. |
| 15:38.37 | paxed | anyone willing&able to hold my hand in getting legacy-96xx nvidia working on my desktop, on debian testing? wiki article does not work for me. |
| 15:38.44 | greycat | not THAT curious :P |
| 15:38.51 | beardy | Hehe. |
| 15:39.08 | themill | foetus: umm... this *stops* interfaces from being renamed (unless you actually want to rename them, in which case it's great) |
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| 15:40.27 | beardy | foetus: You want your "first" interface to be named eth0 and stay that way, correct? |
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| 15:41.06 | foetus | beardy: yes, exactly. |
| 15:41.43 | themill | then there is nothing that you should need to do... that's the default behaviour. |
| 15:41.53 | beardy | themill: Since when? |
| 15:42.19 | paxed | considers just giving up. |
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| 15:44.05 | themill | beardy: umm... for longer than I've been using linux.... even through devfs/udev changes this has remained the case. But you know this, so you're clearly asking a different question that I've missed. |
| 15:44.19 | beardy | themill: I suppose you're right since I haven't had to kick on it on this machine. (installed as lenny, now sid). |
| 15:44.31 | foetus | i see no reason to rename eth0 to eth2 nor eth1 to eth3.. and thats definitely not a default behavior in a system. |
| 15:44.52 | greycat | themill: there have definitely been upgrade issues that have caused a network interface to change name after upgrading. |
| 15:44.54 | beardy | themill: That's not correct though. Udev fscked around with NIC names in etch. I think you've used it longer than that. |
| 15:45.29 | themill | beardy: sarge->etch could cause some problems, but etch itself had z25*persistent stuff there and behaved quite fine. |
| 15:45.48 | beardy | themill: I disagree. |
| 15:46.17 | greycat | It could very well have been sarge->etch where I saw it. |
| 15:46.59 | themill | beardy: the generator scripts in etch and lenny are almost identical, just renamed from z45 to 75 and the generated file from z25 to 70 |
| 15:47.03 | paxed | is it even _possible_ to get legacy-96xx nvidia working on testing? |
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| 15:47.24 | foetus | ah, its interesting |
| 15:47.31 | beardy | The question is what foetus is experiencing and which version of Debian he uses. |
| 15:47.53 | foetus | *leave the panel for a moment.. |
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| 15:49.51 | BlueChip | I have Debian installed on sda2, all good - installed win7 on sda1 - can't boot debian - booted a livecd to mark sda2 as bootable - cfdisk warns "it won't work" ...how do I boot debian now I have a "DOS" <sic> MBR ? |
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| 15:50.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | paxed, if you describe the problem as it presented itself to you so far as precisely as possible, we'll do our best to answer questions or make suggestions on what to try |
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| 15:51.38 | greycat | BlueChip: one way is to boot a live cd or install cd, mount your debian partition, chroot into it, and then do the GRUB setup |
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| 15:52.43 | paxed | CMOT, Build of the package nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-source failed! |
| 15:53.03 | BlueChip | greycat: oohh, clever :) ...will look in to that method :) |
| 15:53.05 | jordanm | paxed: pastebin the build log |
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| 15:53.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell paxed -about doesn't work |
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| 15:54.50 | buncol | hi im from argentina |
| 15:54.53 | foetus | ok, i have applied the etchnhalf kernel and it works.. so the problem is solved. it works very well with this rule. |
| 15:55.30 | buncol | somebody can helpme? |
| 15:55.34 | greycat | !anyone |
| 15:55.35 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 15:55.40 | bzed | !ar |
| 15:55.40 | dpkg | [ar] argon or a program to create, modify, and extract from archives (man ar), or in binutils, or argentina, or #debian-ar on irc.oftc.net. |
| 15:55.45 | bzed | meh :D |
| 15:55.54 | greycat | !es |
| 15:55.54 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat |
| 15:56.15 | themill | foetus: etch is long since retired -- you should be upgrading to lenny over 6 months ago. |
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| 15:56.32 | paxed | jordanm: http://bilious.homelinux.org/~paxed/fail.txt |
| 15:57.30 | greycat | that... looks like an incompatibility between the kernel headers and the older module source. ugly. |
| 15:57.35 | foetus | themill: it "is" lenny. |
| 15:57.51 | themill | foetus: with an etchnhalf kernel? what *are* you trying to achieve here? |
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| 16:00.04 | foetus | themill: i have tested the udev-rule with the mac-ids, so i have changed the kernel.. only for testing. |
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| 16:00.58 | jordanm | ,versions nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx |
| 16:01.00 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx' was found. |
| 16:01.06 | jordanm | ,versions nvidia-kernel-legacy |
| 16:01.07 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'nvidia-kernel-legacy' was found. |
| 16:01.26 | themill | foetus: you already had a rule with those MAC addresses there that apparently didn't work. You've not yet told us what your problem was and what you did to provoke this behaviour. You're leaving us guessing here… |
| 16:02.00 | greycat | My guess at the moment is "I want to prevent the interface being renamed AGAIN next time there is a kernel change". I could be wrong. |
| 16:02.01 | jordanm | !why is nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-source not in testing |
| 16:02.01 | dpkg | nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-source is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-source |
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| 16:02.55 | jordanm | does anyone know why the above says that the package is not in debian when it is available in sid and lenny? |
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| 16:03.28 | foetus | greycat: yes, for that reason exactly. |
| 16:03.52 | jordanm | paxed: #574420 |
| 16:03.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | jordanm, it is? |
| 16:04.07 | jordanm | ,versions nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-source |
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| 16:04.09 | judd | nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-source -- lenny/non-free: 96.43.07-2; sid/non-free: 96.43.16-1 |
| 16:04.09 | greycat | jordanm: no idea, but if you follow through to http://packages.qa.debian.org/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers-legacy-96xx.html you get some reasons |
| 16:04.36 | jordanm | greycat: thanks, it appears to want the source package |
| 16:04.53 | themill | greycat: I'd like to know what kernel change provoked this though -- and given that it sounds like the udev rules he's made are identical to the ones that should already be there... |
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| 16:06.24 | themill | jordanm: migration is source package based -- you asked about a binary package. Perhaps this should be moved to judd so that it looks up the source package name first ;) |
| 16:06.35 | themill | !why is nvidia-graphics-drivers-legacy-96xx not in testing |
| 16:06.36 | dpkg | nvidia-graphics-drivers-legacy-96xx is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=nvidia-graphics-drivers-legacy-96xx |
| 16:07.15 | jordanm | 2 grave functionality bugs sounds like good enough reason to me |
| 16:07.20 | themill | ,binaries nvidia-graphics-drivers-legacy-96xx --release sid |
| 16:07.20 | judd | nvidia-graphics-drivers-legacy-96xx -- Binaries: nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx-dev nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx-ia32 nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-source |
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| 16:09.24 | wieshka | hmmm, where can i enable colored SSH console by default for root or all users ? |
| 16:09.46 | greycat | huh? |
| 16:09.54 | wieshka | bashrc ? |
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| 16:12.25 | Laidback_01 | Caelum, ping |
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| 16:12.55 | foetus | ok lets trink some coffee and go back to work bye |
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| 16:19.29 | peterrooney | wieshka: normally, /etc/bash.bashrc should work. each user has the ability to override, unless root messes around with the permissions of their .bashrc files |
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| 16:20.14 | greycat | You understood his question? What's a "colored SSH console" and what does .bashrc have to do with it? |
| 16:20.33 | qwd | According to http://gparted.sourceforge.net/news.php Gparted 0.6.0 (which is in Squeeze) supports 4096 byte sectors. However when I create a partition on my 2tb drive it starts at sector 1 according to fdisk. From what I understand it *should* start at sector 64 to actually use 4096 byte sectors. Can someone clear this up for me? How am I supposed to use Gparted for 4096 byte sectors? |
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| 16:21.09 | fxiny | they can type ls --color |
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| 16:22.09 | qwd | Oh wait, I checked information for the partition on Gparted and *that* shows first sector at 2048! So false alarm I guess..? |
| 16:22.19 | greycat | The /etc/skel/.bashrc on my lenny install already has alias ls='ls --color=auto' in it |
| 16:22.42 | paxed | jordanm: doing the patch given in #574420 makes the compile finish, but i guess i also need nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx package... which doesn't exist? |
| 16:23.15 | jordanm | ,versions nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx |
| 16:23.16 | judd | nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx -- lenny/non-free: 96.43.07-2; sid/non-free: 96.43.16-1 |
| 16:23.28 | jordanm | paxed: its also available in sid |
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| 16:23.59 | fxiny | not working when in ssh , type ls --color |
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| 16:24.57 | greycat | If you're ssh-ing *from* a non-Debian system, you might be in a monochrome terminal. Or you might have the TERM variable set to xterm when it needs to be xterm-color. Or who knows.... |
| 16:25.28 | paxed | jordanm: uhhh... sid == unstable? but not for testing? |
| 16:25.47 | greycat | Yes, sid = unstable. The package you wanted is currently not available in testing, presumably because of bugs.... |
| 16:25.57 | jordanm | paxed: right, there shouldn't have been a modules package for testing either |
| 16:26.15 | jordanm | paxed: those bugs are preventing migration |
| 16:26.24 | paxed | so, my solution is either to move to unstable, or ditch the gfx card and get a newer one. |
| 16:26.36 | jordanm | !tell paxed about tum |
| 16:26.43 | greycat | No, you'd typically just grab the packages (sources?) from unstable. |
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| 16:27.15 | greycat | I don't know much about this nvidia stuff. |
| 16:27.20 | jhutchins_lt | !tell paxed about ssb |
| 16:27.37 | fxiny | must be that variable , same with tcsh and zsh , just checked , nothing to do with bash |
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| 16:27.42 | jhutchins_lt | paxed: You do NOT want to mix packages from different releases. That way lies the clean install. |
| 16:28.00 | qwd | Here's a screenshot from Gparted http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/6984/screenshotzj.png according to the info the partition starts at 2048, so far so good, but on device information to the left you can see "sector size: 512", is this a problem? Will everything be alright as long as the encryption uses 4096 bytes and the filesystem does as well? |
| 16:28.03 | greycat | fxiny: what kind of terminal (or terminal emulator) are you using? what does echo $TERM say on the Debian system that you're ssh-ing into? |
| 16:28.32 | paxed | in other words: easier for me to get a new gfx card. *grumble* |
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| 16:28.48 | jordanm | "xterm" for $TERM still displays colors here |
| 16:28.50 | jhutchins_lt | paxed: No, not really. |
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| 16:29.02 | jhutchins_lt | paxed: Debian makes it pretty easy. |
| 16:29.10 | mafu | Hello all! I'm trying to set a cron job like this: 1) Run backup script (which prints to STDOUT), 2) /sbin/shutdown -h now . Now, I want cron to send an email with the output to me before shutting down, but cron waits for shutdown to complete. Adding ampersand (&) after the shutdown command doesn't work. Any ideas? :) |
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| 16:29.23 | fxiny | greycat: mrxvt , $TERM -> bash: rxvt: command not found |
| 16:29.23 | greycat | Building the nvidia driver stuff is not what I'd personally consider "pretty easy". |
| 16:29.31 | paxed | agrees with greycat. |
| 16:29.47 | fxiny | oops |
| 16:29.48 | jordanm | fxiny: $TERM says bash? sure that isn't $SHELL? |
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| 16:29.50 | fxiny | sleeping |
| 16:29.57 | greycat | fxiny: well, rxvt is definitely a color terminal definition. Maybe mrxvt is not compatible with rxvt? |
| 16:30.04 | greycat | jordanm: he typed $TERM instead of echo $TERM |
| 16:30.07 | fxiny | echo $TERM -> rxvt |
| 16:30.23 | jordanm | greycat: ah |
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| 16:30.33 | BlueChip | on the subject of nvidia drivers ....I'd love to know why I can get a shell prompt if I use a livecd, but cant if I then install it |
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| 16:31.18 | beardy | BlueChip: What has that got to do with one another? |
| 16:31.23 | jhutchins_lt | mafu: Where are you putting the cron job? |
| 16:31.34 | rabbitear | what? |
| 16:31.50 | mafu | jhutchins_lt, root with crontab -e |
| 16:31.54 | greycat | mafu: that's twisted. |
| 16:31.55 | rabbitear | is this debian? |
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| 16:32.19 | jhutchins_lt | mafu: THe problem is that the crontab is a single script. |
| 16:32.22 | bintje | i'm tryin to install a driver for my wilanpci card.. i'm tryin it with ndiswrapper... on their website its written: extract the driver.exe ( unzip driver.exe ) |
| 16:32.31 | bintje | i can't unzip the exe.. it sais its not a zip archive |
| 16:32.33 | bintje | what to do? |
| 16:32.37 | BlueChip | beardy: just caught the end of a chat on building nvidia drivers, and there is a problem with nvidia drivers displaying all-black-screen when dropping to bash from X |
| 16:32.40 | fxiny | from a konsole to here same monochrome . echo $TERM in konsole -> xterm |
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| 16:33.00 | greycat | mafu: I wouldn't try that at all. I'd do something like this instead, in the script called from cron: do_it() { your; code; here; }; do_it 2>&1 | mail root; shutdown -h now |
| 16:33.00 | beardy | mafu: Send the mail before shutting down.. obviously.. |
| 16:33.03 | fxiny | but i don't mind , i can type ls --color |
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| 16:33.19 | jhutchins_lt | mafu: I think what you'd have to do is set the backup to write output to a file, then have a command that mails the file, then shutdown. |
| 16:33.39 | greycat | fxiny: what version of Debian is the machine you're ssh-ing into? |
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| 16:34.00 | fxiny | greycat: they are both lenny |
| 16:34.07 | greycat | fxiny: and "i can type ls --color"...? Now I'm REALLY confused. |
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| 16:34.18 | greycat | fxiny: what is the actual problem you're seeing? |
| 16:34.45 | mafu | jhutchins_lt, actually, it seems to work with a pipe to the "mail" command directly in crontab |
| 16:35.04 | fxiny | greycat: i dont' have any problem , i always type ls --color in ssh . someone else was asking how |
| 16:35.11 | greycat | mafu: ah, the shutdown command wasn't inside the script? that's OK then. |
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| 16:35.17 | greycat | fxiny: how to do what? |
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| 16:35.37 | fxiny | wieshka: you ! |
| 16:35.38 | mafu | greycat, it's directly in crontab |
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| 16:36.05 | fxiny | greycat: 18:09 < wieshka> hmmm, where can i enable colored SSH console by default for root or all users ? |
| 16:36.10 | jhutchins_lt | mafu: The crontab is a script. |
| 16:36.32 | greycat | fxiny: that question makes no sense. What is a "colored SSH console"? Do you mean "I want ls to give color output by default"? |
| 16:36.37 | mafu | Like this: 0 5 * * * script.sh | mail root; shutdown -h now . Should work. But is it a bad idea? |
| 16:36.42 | rabbitear | does anybody run macos? |
| 16:36.47 | greycat | mafu: script.sh 2>&1 | mail root; shutdown -h now |
| 16:36.51 | fxiny | greycat: not me , him/her |
| 16:37.01 | greycat | fxiny: same issue. I don't understand what the goal is. |
| 16:37.04 | rabbitear | greycat: I talked to you before |
| 16:37.09 | mafu | greycat, ok, thanks. :) |
| 16:37.20 | mafu | Forgot about STDERR |
| 16:37.25 | greycat | If you/he/she wants ls to be colored by default, make sure you/he/she has alias ls='ls --color=auto' somewhere in ~/.bashrc |
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| 16:37.31 | fxiny | greycat: i think he/her wants ls colorized when in ssh |
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| 16:38.02 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: I think there's more to it than that. |
| 16:38.11 | greycat | And if you/he/she is not using bash, then it would have to be done in the analogous file for that user's shell (~/.cshrc or whatever). |
| 16:38.21 | coredump777 | going to LinuxCon tomorrow. Weeeee |
| 16:38.22 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: Some distros use pretty colors for prompts and things, color highlights in vim, etc. |
| 16:38.31 | greycat | He didn't say prompt yet. |
| 16:38.32 | fxiny | is not the shell |
| 16:38.34 | greycat | He said ls only. |
| 16:38.54 | greycat | vim should take care of itself. |
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| 16:39.24 | fxiny | greycat: vim committing suicide ? good news ;) |
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| 16:41.21 | greycat | http://mywiki.wooledge.org/DotFiles might also be helpful |
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| 16:42.12 | fxiny | greycat: so , yours ls is colorized even when you ssh ? |
| 16:42.24 | greycat | I commented out the alias. I hate colored ls. |
| 16:42.32 | greycat | Let me uncomment it and test for you. |
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| 16:43.33 | fxiny | i use tcsh , zsh and bash , never seen ls with color in ssh , and never cared too much |
| 16:43.47 | greycat | Yes. I uncommented the eval "`dircolors -b`" and alias ls='ls --color=auto' lines, ssh localhost, ls, and got the puke-looking colorful output |
| 16:44.23 | fxiny | ah local host , try remote , i vaguely remember reading something about , to me ls --color is fine |
| 16:44.24 | greycat | You're either missing the alias in .bashrc or the "source ~/.bashrc" in ~/.bash_profile, or something else similar. |
| 16:44.46 | greycat | ssh localhost vs ssh hostname should make NO difference whatsoever |
| 16:45.09 | mafu | Right, it works! Thanks all. :) |
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| 16:51.02 | foetus | cat /dev/null>/etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules && reboot for correct recognized interfaces this time..or write your own 00-persistent.rule, however.. |
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| 16:55.03 | foetus | *maybe its useful. |
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| 16:55.33 | greycat | Oh fucking hell. I have a lenny box set for DHCP but with the DNS stuff removed from dhclient.conf and it STILL appears to have clobbered my resolv.conf file! |
| 16:55.59 | greycat | I really. really. really. really. REALLY. do not want the correct answer to this problem to be chattr. |
| 16:56.13 | greycat | But every time this SHIT happens, I lean more toward that. |
| 16:56.18 | foetus | :)) |
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| 16:56.31 | gofor | no clue |
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| 16:58.10 | foetus | ok, lets do a *last* try rebooting |
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| 16:58.44 | themill | greycat: why not "supersede domain-name-servers a.b.c.d" in dhclient.conf so that when it clobbers resolv.conf, it inserts the data you want? |
| 16:59.13 | greycat | I just want it to leave my resolv.conf file the fuck alone. Why is that so hard? |
| 16:59.35 | qwd | I'm adding a second hard drive to my computer. I've created a physical volume (on top of the encryption layer) with "pvcreate /dev/dm-4" and now I'm going to create the volume group with vgcreate... However, I'm wondering if I should add this to the already existing volume group for the first hard drive, or if they should be separate? |
| 16:59.53 | themill | greycat: what's it putting in there? |
| 16:59.56 | greycat | When I ssh to dozens of boxes and have to edit their resolv.conf files, I do not want to have worry about which ones are actually using resolv.conf and which ones are actually using resolv.conf AND some dhcp config file. |
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| 17:00.22 | greycat | themill: it's writing "search ccf.org" and "domain ccf.org" and five incorrect (to me) "nameserver" lines. It's all the stuff from DHCP. |
| 17:00.30 | themill | greycat: you would not use both dhclient.conf and resolv.conf, it would be one or other. |
| 17:00.37 | themill | but yes, that would be suboptimal |
| 17:00.44 | greycat | themill: the correct (for me) search and domain should be eeg.ccf.org not ccf.org, and the nameservers should be MINE, not theirs. |
| 17:01.04 | greycat | themill: if I have to change it on a box where it's being overwritten, then I would have to edit both placesa. |
| 17:01.11 | greycat | One for right now, one for after the next reboot. |
| 17:01.26 | fxiny | resolv.conf alone ? just ignore it by using pdns-recursor |
| 17:01.38 | themill | greycat: or just tell dhclient to get a new address straight away |
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| 17:02.01 | themill | greycat: but if you want that much control, why use dhcp at all if you don't control the dhcp server? |
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| 17:02.13 | greycat | Do you really want the story? |
| 17:02.19 | fxiny | first time i used pdns-recursor i laughed |
| 17:02.58 | foetus | cat /dev/null>/etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules is the workaround. no renaming after seven reboots. |
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| 17:03.18 | fxiny | when i saw that the NASA was serving me :P |
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| 17:03.35 | foetus | now i change the kernel |
| 17:03.46 | greycat | OK, here is the background. We have computers plugged into a network switch, and they have 139.137.100.* addresses, and all is well. BUT THEN! The networking department comes along and says "You Cannot Continue Using This Switch. You Will Have To Plug These Machines Into This Other Switch And They Will Have 10.*.*.* Addresses." |
| 17:04.21 | greycat | And the way we do this is to change the machine from static IP address to DHCP client, reboot it, let it get a 10.*.*.* address, then tell the networking department what address it got, and ask them to make it permanent for that machine. |
| 17:05.07 | themill | sounds like an interesting approach... you could then stick that 10.*.*.* address into /e/n/interfaces if you wanted to be perverse :) |
| 17:05.17 | fxiny | then i've seen some obscure dns server from this local banana land , and i moved back to dnsmasq |
| 17:05.20 | Xat` | i removed a config file and uninstalled the service. How can I reinstall it, backing up the config file ? please |
| 17:05.35 | greycat | And then several months later a kernel-image security update comes along, and I install and reboot, and then several hours later someone tells me they can't mount this file system. |
| 17:05.51 | greycat | themill: I've done that on a couple. |
| 17:05.56 | greycat | I might end up doing it on this one. :-/ |
| 17:06.17 | Xat` | i removed a config file and uninstalled the service. How can I reinstall it, recovering the config file ? please |
| 17:06.18 | mee | If you can get the network folks to tell you what addresses are available up-front, you could skip the dhcp step and just set them up with their new IPs |
| 17:06.19 | themill | greycat: I presume cluebatting the person who runs the dhcp server into providing the correct dns information is out of the question |
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| 17:06.39 | greycat | themill: it's correct for THEM. For their Microsoft land. For their Active Directory shit. |
| 17:06.47 | fxiny | heheeh |
| 17:07.04 | greycat | But they have no reverse resolution of IP addresses, and no dynamic DNS capability, etc. For that, I have to use my own DNS server. |
| 17:07.21 | themill | avahi! |
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| 17:07.28 | themill | runs away from the rampaging greycat |
| 17:07.33 | greycat | I'm authoritative for eeg.ccf.org but not for ccf.org, or for 10.*. |
| 17:08.03 | fxiny | you'd better run down hill , i'm loading the anti-avahi laser |
| 17:08.16 | greycat | So I set up a nonauthoritative *.142.76.10.in-addr.arpa (etc. etc. etc.) zone on my DNS server, and I need my unix machines to use THAT one, not the official ones. |
| 17:08.25 | mee | if you only care about your environment, dns views / dnsmasq could hack this situation into shape |
| 17:08.42 | andre_pl | is it possible to get gnu find to return only files less than x bytes? |
| 17:08.47 | greycat | mee: and for that I would need the client systems to have MY nameserver in their resolv.conf file. |
| 17:08.58 | andre_pl | i can only seem to find the -size option which looks for a specific size |
| 17:08.58 | mee | yeah |
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| 17:09.00 | greycat | Not the nameservers that the DHCP server spits out. |
| 17:09.17 | fxiny | andre_pl: man find | wc -l -> 1525 |
| 17:09.24 | greycat | Which goes directly back to my original complaint. Lenny's dhclient just overwrite my resolv.conf even though I *THOUGHT* I had told it not to. |
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| 17:10.31 | mee | covers any SA ears that might be listening ... there is always chattr +i |
| 17:10.54 | greycat | 12:55 greycat> I really. really. really. really. REALLY. do not want the correct answer to this problem to be chattr. |
| 17:10.57 | greycat | 12:56 greycat> But every time this SHIT happens, I lean more toward that. |
| 17:10.58 | mee | but yeah, this sounds like a mess |
| 17:11.10 | mee | sorry, I joined late |
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| 17:12.16 | Xat` | i removed a config file and uninstalled the service. How can I reinstall it, recovering the config file ? please |
| 17:12.16 | beardy | greycat: Did you give up on the beeping btw? |
| 17:12.49 | beardy | !fixconf |
| 17:12.54 | greycat | beardy: after looking inside it, I did nothing further except put the cover back on. |
| 17:12.57 | fxiny | !confmiss |
| 17:12.57 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 17:13.07 | Xat` | thanks fxiny |
| 17:13.09 | beardy | Thanks fxiny. |
| 17:13.09 | Xat` | :) |
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| 17:13.44 | themill | greycat: resolvconf actually provides a useful mechanism for you to add your own stuff to the beginning (or end) of the resolv.conf that would be otherwise created by dhclient |
| 17:14.10 | fxiny | Xat` beardy : noooooo p |
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| 17:15.47 | foetus | changing back to 2.6.26 - no renaming anymore. nice. |
| 17:16.08 | themill | greycat: you would aptitude install resolvconf; echo "nameserver a.b.c.d" >> /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head; (see /usr/share/doc/resolvconf/README.gz) |
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| 17:18.06 | themill | greycat: the goal of resolvconf is to stop several dozen different programs each from feeling like /etc/resolv.conf is their own little fiefdom and to provide a common approach to updating that file as you join different networks, join vpns, use local dns caches etc. |
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| 17:18.43 | PopUp | kay, my system lacks getent |
| 17:19.07 | abrotman | how did oyu manag ethat ? |
| 17:19.28 | themill | !typosmite abrotman |
| 17:19.28 | dpkg | makes abrotman raed alll fo "Wra and Paece" in rnadm ordr. |
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| 17:19.45 | abrotman | i know, right ... |
| 17:19.55 | foetus | haah |
| 17:19.59 | PopUp | abrotman : no idea -.- |
| 17:20.06 | abrotman | PopUp: it's in your libc6 package .. you'd have to have done something really silly to manage to do that |
| 17:20.36 | fxiny | you or someone else ... :P |
| 17:20.39 | PopUp | somone else |
| 17:20.50 | PopUp | i downt own it >.> |
| 17:20.51 | fxiny | even worse |
| 17:21.30 | PopUp | no idea how it can run a stable mumble/apache and urbanterror server |
| 17:22.11 | themill | PopUp: what debian version is this? |
| 17:22.19 | PopUp | ... its etch |
| 17:22.52 | PopUp | and as far as i know not updateable |
| 17:23.09 | abrotman | why is etch not updateable ? |
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| 17:23.19 | abrotman | oh, VPS ? |
| 17:23.35 | PopUp | jep |
| 17:23.41 | fxiny | has a sarge package in the fridge : libdevmapper1.01 |
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| 17:23.53 | fxiny | innserv warning ;) |
| 17:23.58 | themill | most vps hosters have worked out that upgrading to lenny is both good and possible |
| 17:24.05 | themill | fxiny: yeah, I found a few of them too |
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| 17:24.09 | PopUp | i know |
| 17:24.16 | PopUp | and still i'm with an etch over here |
| 17:24.17 | fxiny | themill: f* reading all the wiki today :) |
| 17:24.26 | PopUp | without getent |
| 17:24.43 | themill | fxiny: you should have just "/msg dpkg missing lsb tags" ;) |
| 17:24.44 | fxiny | themill: and i have 1.02 and 1.02.1 in another lenny ! |
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| 17:25.26 | fxiny | themill: i liked the wiki , so clear |
| 17:25.50 | PopUp | the question is : how can i install getent without breaking it completely |
| 17:26.07 | themill | fxiny: http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts ? Yeah, that's more aimed at developers than users, isn't it... |
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| 17:26.14 | Xat` | Is it possible to specify ip addresse of dhcp server as option of dhcp subnet in dhcpd.conf ? |
| 17:26.35 | Xat` | because i have eth1 and eth1:1 |
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| 17:27.25 | fxiny | themill: that one and this http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts/DependencyBasedBoot |
| 17:27.44 | jozefk | if I'm getting this in synaptic after clicking on Reload: http://fpaste.org/vE0U/ is that OK? I have Debian 5.0.5 on ibook g4 |
| 17:28.17 | themill | fxiny: was this a lenny→squeeze upgrade you were doing? |
| 17:28.30 | fxiny | themill: yes |
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| 17:29.32 | fxiny | themill: on another box , then i start checking this one and i found the sarge package |
| 17:30.35 | fxiny | trying to compare init files |
| 17:30.37 | themill | fxiny: can you "reportbug upgrade-reports" to mention that this was a difficulty and that you needed to search around for ancient packages? The dpkg-query command on the wiki, "aptitude purge ~c" and "aptitude search ~o" would be useful tools for working out what packages were at fault and how to clean them up. |
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| 17:31.06 | Xat` | Is it possible to specify ip addresse of dhcp server as option of dhcp subnet in dhcpd.conf ? i have eth1 and his alias eth1:1 with two ips on 2 differents subnet. DHCPACK contain ip of dhcp server from eth1:1 instead of eth1 |
| 17:31.22 | themill | fxiny: the guys drafting the release notes are actively soliciting upgrade reports where these sorts of things have caused problems. Things that can only really be "fixed" by documentation... |
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| 17:32.19 | fxiny | themill: is not difficult and the docs provided by the wiki are clear , maybe the KLSB header is not , i need to look into it, i saved the wiki locally , i stopped and i put a deadline in my org-mode |
| 17:32.29 | fxiny | LSB* |
| 17:32.58 | themill | fxiny: it's still something that needs to be documented in the release notes and currently isn't. |
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| 17:33.36 | bAndie9100 | hi all |
| 17:33.51 | fxiny | themill: iirc the innserv warning reminds to the wiki |
| 17:33.58 | fxiny | lemme check it |
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| 17:34.05 | lenswipe|debian | hey guys |
| 17:34.22 | bAndie9100 | do you know a method to backup files on a damaged disk? |
| 17:34.43 | lenswipe|debian | bAndie9100, me? |
| 17:34.44 | jordanm | damaged in what way? |
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| 17:34.58 | themill | fxiny: that's a good start at least. The wiki page could do with some more end-user-attention too (feel free to add some based on your experience today ;) But it's the sort of thing that should be in the release notes. |
| 17:35.06 | bAndie9100 | ext2 fs is on, directories can be read |
| 17:35.25 | jordanm | bAndie9100: damaged in what way? |
| 17:35.52 | jordanm | physically damanged? corrupt filesystem? "i dont know why these files are missing"? |
| 17:35.53 | fxiny | themill: YES ! i have pasted all warnings , the wiki url is there and this is very good |
| 17:35.53 | bAndie9100 | and on read files somewhere it hang up |
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| 17:36.02 | bAndie9100 | physically |
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| 17:36.28 | PopUp | FINALLY |
| 17:36.35 | PopUp | no getent errors anymore |
| 17:36.37 | jordanm | bAndie9100: in what way? heads locking up? |
| 17:36.38 | bAndie9100 | make strange voices when i try to read some files |
| 17:37.05 | jordanm | bAndie9100: like a clicking noise? |
| 17:37.26 | bAndie9100 | jordanm, dont know exactly, only strange voices and I/O hangs up |
| 17:37.46 | bAndie9100 | jordanm, ~klattying |
| 17:38.27 | fxiny | themill: i overlooked it . i was more concerned about new configs files diff . i searched google today , maybe the url line should be hiligthed in red or something |
| 17:38.36 | bAndie9100 | jordanm, it waits for a long time and finally kernel disable that disk |
| 17:38.36 | jordanm | bAndie9100: I have actually had good luck with sticking them in the freezer, but that is when the heads lockup and it starts to produce a clicking noise |
| 17:39.13 | jordanm | bAndie9100: you want to put it in a container so that it doesn't get moisture on it, then use rsync to grab the files assuming that it worked |
| 17:40.51 | jordanm | if the drive is having physical problems, there is not much software can do. there are companies that can use safer but extremely more expensive methods. all depends on what your data is worth |
| 17:41.14 | bAndie9100 | jordanm, i tried 'dd if=/dev/hdb of=sshfs/...' then when bad area reached, it hung up again |
| 17:41.51 | jordanm | bAndie9100: in the future, it will be a good idea to make the backup *before* the drive fails |
| 17:41.54 | fxiny | themill: and i've checked http://lintian.debian.org/tags.html and http://lintian.debian.org/tags/init.d-script-missing-lsb-section.html , i see nothing about libdevmapper |
| 17:41.55 | jordanm | which is inevitable |
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| 17:41.57 | themill | fxiny: include those sorts of ansi sequences in there and you'll have all manner of dinosaurs complaining... |
| 17:42.06 | bAndie9100 | jordanm, how to tell dd (or else tools) to bypass read errors? |
| 17:42.25 | foetus | ok..lets re-imaging drive.. |
| 17:42.45 | fxiny | themill: you are right , yes keeping it light is better |
| 17:43.02 | jordanm | bAndie9100: AFAIK, you can't |
| 17:43.07 | themill | fxiny: the package is an obsolete package from sarge or etch though. This isn't a problem we can really fix except by telling people to remove (and purge) old packages |
| 17:43.34 | fxiny | themill: i'm using it in my LUKS lenny . 1.02 and 1.02.1 |
| 17:43.57 | jordanm | bAndie9100: if you know where the bad sectors are, you can have dd end before it, then start a new dd beginning after the bad sectors |
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| 17:44.08 | snowrichard | hello |
| 17:44.10 | jordanm | no "skip" |
| 17:44.47 | themill | lensweipe: enough. |
| 17:44.48 | snowrichard | nick changes confusing |
| 17:44.49 | fxiny | themill: innserv warning : script S25libdevmapper1.02 missing LSB" . i'll do it later in the week |
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| 17:45.03 | bAndie9100 | jordanm, what for a tool can detect bad sectors? |
| 17:45.28 | jordanm | bAndie9100: smartmontools |
| 17:45.29 | lenswipe|debian | jordanm, huh? |
| 17:45.34 | jordanm | if your BIOS and drive support smart |
| 17:45.37 | lenswipe|debian | themill, sorry it was for another channel |
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| 17:45.47 | snowrichard | i am using debian alpha port. I see on some debian pages that it won't be updated because there are no maintainers. |
| 17:45.49 | KB1JWQ | jordanm is correct. |
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| 17:46.06 | themill | fxiny: ahh.. I've only seen it in cruft packages. |
| 17:46.13 | snowrichard | how long will the lenny mirrors be available |
| 17:46.52 | bAndie9100 | jordanm, they support |
| 17:46.56 | jordanm | snowrichard: for much longer than it will be supported.\ |
| 17:47.06 | jordanm | !tell snowrichard about snapshots |
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| 17:47.24 | fxiny | themill: only 4 linked at http://lintian.debian.org/tags/init.d-script-missing-lsb-section.html but not this libdevmapper one . not sure what to do yet , i stopped with squeeze |
| 17:48.28 | snowrichard | what about snapshots? |
| 17:48.32 | fxiny | themill: and i have two packages installed 1.02 and 1.02.1 |
| 17:48.33 | jordanm | snowrichard: you interpretation was a bit different than mine. are you referring to the release team thread where they disuccesed the releasability of various ports? |
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| 17:48.50 | jordanm | snowrichard: after the lenny mirrors are pulled, it will still be available there |
| 17:49.41 | snowrichard | i guess once my system is stable it isn't essential that it be updated at all, but i'd like to see a distro that will still be current |
| 17:49.49 | snowrichard | and gentoo isn't working for me at m |
| 17:50.04 | themill | fxiny: one of those is only from etch but is crap still installed (and you can remove) |
| 17:50.38 | greycat | I truly don't get it. I just test-rebooted my lenny desktop box, and it did *not* overwrite resolv.conf. |
| 17:50.56 | greycat | I have no idea why the other box *did* overwrite it. They both have the same /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf file except for a blank line and some comments. |
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| 17:51.20 | greycat | Neither one has the resolvconf package installed. |
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| 17:51.40 | themill | snowrichard: alpha looks like it won't be released with squeeze, so you've got about 18ish months worth of debian support for alpha in a stable release to go. It seems unlikely that squeeze+1 will have alpha support either as the port looks like it's dying. |
| 17:51.59 | fxiny | themill: 1.02 ? checking aptitude -s purge |
| 17:52.22 | snowrichard | well hobby vms license only last a year then has to be renewed |
| 17:52.29 | snowrichard | but that is easy |
| 17:52.35 | fxiny | ahh yes . must be 1.02 -> apt-cache policy |
| 17:52.45 | themill | fxiny: yes |
| 17:52.45 | fxiny | themill: thanx :) |
| 17:53.02 | fxiny | nice indeed |
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| 17:53.41 | themill | fxiny: hence the combination of removing packages that no longer exist (aptitude search ~o) and purging them to make sure that the init scripts are actually gone (aptitude purge ~c) is useful. |
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| 17:54.19 | greycat | why'd they choose ~ for that, anyway? what if you have a user named 'c'? |
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| 17:55.02 | greycat | df |
| 17:55.11 | jordanm | greycat: "use more quotes"? :) |
| 17:55.27 | fxiny | themill: search ~o and purge ~c ? ok . i found the wiki command useful -> dpkg-query -W -f='${Conffiles}\n' packagename . catching the init |
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| 17:55.50 | jordanm | greycat: the long syntax is even better, including a "!" |
| 17:56.44 | jordanm | err, a "?", "!" is "not" |
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| 17:57.41 | snowrichard | well hopefully my hardware will last that much longer ;) |
| 17:57.59 | fxiny | themill: ahhhh apt-cache show libdevmapper-1.02 reports the damned init script confile same as the command above , double cheking is alwas good |
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| 17:59.13 | snowrichard | maybe by then i can get a itanium server and run vms -- the new version has support for 2TB drives |
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| 17:59.49 | Xat` | Is it possible to specify ip address of dhcp server as option of dhcp subnet in dhcpd.conf ? i have eth1 and his alias eth1:1 with two ips on 2 differents subnets. DHCPACK contains ip of dhcp server from eth1:1 instead of eth1 |
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| 18:05.13 | snowrichard | Jordannm sorry i didn't see the dpkg post earlier |
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| 18:05.47 | _gpg_ | hi |
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| 18:12.06 | mohadib | is there an easy way to bring down all virtual interfaces? |
| 18:12.30 | KB1JWQ | mohadib: Iterate through a for loop? :-) |
| 18:12.39 | mohadib | aye, thats what im doing now |
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| 18:12.45 | johnfg | hey guys |
| 18:12.52 | mohadib | hoping for something "cleaner" |
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| 18:13.17 | TMM | petemc, do you happen to know if I can get serial management console on the 10101 port instead of 'serial management'? Turns out, I don't have an RJ-45 serial cable anywhere |
| 18:13.19 | johnfg | I'm getting this error from trying to boot lenny (after much work at trying to get a proper entry in squeeze's grub2 |
| 18:13.27 | johnfg | ) |
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| 18:14.00 | jordanm | johnfg: you are trying to co-install squeeze and lenny? |
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| 18:14.26 | johnfg | Here's the error: Kernel panic-not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) |
| 18:14.33 | rolandpish | Hi. What is the option for dpkg to install dependencies automatically for a deb file downloaded manually? |
| 18:14.49 | petemc | TMM: my sunfire came with a silver serial<->rj45 adapter, i use that |
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| 18:15.20 | jordanm | rolandpish: dpkg does not resolve depends in that way |
| 18:15.22 | johnfg | jordanm, both are installed, as well as win xp pro. |
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| 18:15.32 | _gpg_ | what source repository should i keep(avoid) to be sure i'm only using Free OpenSource software please ? |
| 18:15.36 | jordanm | rolandpish: as long as it is not a pre-depends, you can install then run aptitude install -f |
| 18:15.39 | luke-jr | How can I ignore this error? dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute new pre-installation script: No such file or directory |
| 18:15.51 | TMM | petemc, I got mine out of a surplus, didn't come with that cable. But it looks like there's also a networked management thingy |
| 18:16.01 | luke-jr | _gpg_: 'non-free' |
| 18:16.26 | _gpg_ | luke-jr, thank you |
| 18:16.32 | johnfg | I did have win xp pro and fedora on /dev/sda, lenny on /dev/sdb and it all worked fine. However, with squeeze on /dev/sda and its grub2, I've had many problems getting the entry for lenny configured properly. |
| 18:16.32 | rolandpish | jordanm, thanks! ok, so I can install the deb file and its dependencies running: aptitude install -f thepackage.deb ? |
| 18:16.50 | jordanm | rolandpish: dpkg -i <file>; aptitude install -f |
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| 18:17.09 | luke-jr | jordanm: any idea on ignoring pre-install script problems? ☺ |
| 18:17.09 | jordanm | if dpkg fails to install it as broken, then it has pre-depends |
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| 18:17.15 | johnfg | I finally got an entry that's kinda working, but doesn't get too far before the above error message. |
| 18:17.15 | micaa_ | hello who to upgrade 2.6.35 Debian lenny? thank |
| 18:17.18 | anddam | hello |
| 18:17.29 | jordanm | luke-jr: use aptitude |
| 18:17.33 | anddam | is there a tool to perform a disc surface scan in debian live? |
| 18:17.35 | naildownx | hello, is my 111/tcp open port something I need to close? |
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| 18:17.48 | naildownx | I think it is, but want to make sure |
| 18:17.56 | petemc | TMM: i use the serial management port with that adapter, the network management needs configured with an address |
| 18:17.57 | johnfg | Any idea on that boot error problem? |
| 18:17.59 | anddam | naildownx: did you check /etc/services ? |
| 18:18.04 | luke-jr | jordanm: what's the equivalent to --root= for Aptitude? |
| 18:18.14 | naildownx | for what? anddam |
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| 18:18.32 | anddam | weird syntax |
| 18:18.34 | rolandpish | jordanm, yes, when I install it, it shows that the package cannot be installed because a dependent package isn't installed. So I have to apt-get install thedependency and then dpkg -i thefile.deb |
| 18:18.59 | naildownx | anddam, to see it is being used? |
| 18:19.10 | jordanm | rolandpish: right, thats a pre-depends |
| 18:20.02 | luke-jr | … |
| 18:20.02 | jordanm | luke-jr: -o DPkg::Options::="--root=foo" |
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| 18:20.23 | rolandpish | jordanm, I was trying to find a "one" command for this. But that's not a problem since those commands will go in a bash script I'm building. Thanks again! |
| 18:20.24 | latenite | Hi folks, How to I burn a "double layer dvd" on commamdline? http://pastie.org/1127131 this is what I get so far. thank you |
| 18:20.26 | fxiny | rolandpish: add it to a local dir and run |
| 18:20.37 | naildownx | anddam, it says it is for portmapper |
| 18:20.52 | jordanm | rolandpish: why not just host the package in a repository that can be accessible by apt? |
| 18:21.05 | rolandpish | fxiny, thanks for your suggestion. |
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| 18:21.11 | luke-jr | and how do I give aptitude a .deb file? |
| 18:21.22 | fxiny | rolandpish: apt-ftparchive packages . | gzip > Packages.gz , then add deb file:/dir ./ to your sources |
| 18:21.28 | luke-jr | jordanm: that -o … doesn't work |
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| 18:21.35 | jordanm | luke-jr: it does work |
| 18:21.39 | luke-jr | jordanm: not for me |
| 18:21.41 | fxiny | aptitude update and voila' , use aptitude |
| 18:21.42 | jordanm | luke-jr: and you can't |
| 18:21.49 | jordanm | !tell luke-jr about doesn't work |
| 18:22.10 | rolandpish | jordanm, yes, that's an option. I'll research on that. |
| 18:22.40 | luke-jr | jordanm: it just ignored the command, did the 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 38 not upgraded. |
| 18:22.42 | jordanm | luke-jr: see fxiny's reply to rolandpish |
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| 18:22.57 | rolandpish | fxiny, thanks! writing down this right now to test it. Thanks again! |
| 18:23.12 | luke-jr | jordanm: in any case, I got it to *try* with 'reinstall', but it still failed |
| 18:23.16 | fxiny | rolandpish: np |
| 18:23.24 | jordanm | luke-jr: what failed? |
| 18:23.28 | luke-jr | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) |
| 18:23.44 | jordanm | the error before that one is the one that is relevant |
| 18:23.47 | TMM | petemc, do you happen to know if it is possible to factory-reset the ALOM if you don't have serial port access? |
| 18:23.53 | latenite | anyone ever successfuly burned doublelayer dvd? |
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| 18:23.56 | luke-jr | dpkg: need an action option |
| 18:23.57 | dpkg | luke-jr: I give up, what is it? |
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| 18:24.33 | jordanm | luke-jr: what package are you having trouble installing? paste the full output |
| 18:24.41 | jordanm | luke-jr: why do you even need --root=? |
| 18:24.43 | luke-jr | jordanm: libc6 |
| 18:24.54 | luke-jr | jordanm: I'm trying to extract a minimal library root |
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| 18:25.12 | jordanm | luke-jr: you mean you are trying to completely trash your system? |
| 18:25.19 | luke-jr | no ☺ |
| 18:25.24 | luke-jr | that's why --root |
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| 18:26.25 | petemc | TMM: i dont |
| 18:26.25 | jordanm | luke-jr: alright, but what is this accomplishing that simple unpacking will not? |
| 18:26.39 | fxiny | oldtimers stile was : touch file && dpkg-scanpackages . file | gzip > Packages.gz |
| 18:26.46 | luke-jr | jordanm: recording the package in /var/lib/dpkg |
| 18:26.51 | jordanm | luke-jr: is "dir" going to be a chroot? |
| 18:26.56 | wieshka | how can i specifie default owner & owner group for NFS share ? |
| 18:27.02 | wieshka | for made files from client ? |
| 18:27.05 | luke-jr | jordanm: a non-functional chroot, but yes |
| 18:27.06 | jordanm | luke-jr: with --root, it will not record the package to /var/lib/dpkg |
| 18:27.14 | luke-jr | well, $ROOT/var/lib/dpkg |
| 18:27.16 | jordanm | luke-jr: it will be dir/var/lib/dpkg |
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| 18:27.37 | jordanm | luke-jr: why not debootstrap? |
| 18:28.14 | luke-jr | jordanm: doesn't that require repositories? |
| 18:28.41 | luke-jr | and is it tested for non-native architectures? |
| 18:28.45 | naildownx | I got htop working... |
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| 18:32.00 | TMM | petemc, apparently there should be a jumper that can reset ALOM nvram, looking it up now :) thanks for your help |
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| 18:42.10 | Gijs | if you delete a file in debian is it stored somewhere (like windows) |
| 18:42.11 | Gijs | ? |
| 18:42.28 | wooden | Gijs: if you deleted it in the console using 'rm', no. |
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| 18:44.45 | wooden | Gijs: if you deleted it through gnome's file manager gui, then it should be in some kind of trash can somewhere. |
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| 18:45.49 | Gijs | well i deleted a MySQL database |
| 18:45.53 | Gijs | i dont know what happens with it |
| 18:45.59 | Gijs | i think mysql deletes it with rm |
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| 18:46.57 | wooden | Gijs: you deleted the database file in /var, or you used the mysql client with sql like "drop database my-database;"? |
| 18:47.38 | Gijs | i deleted it with phpmyadmin |
| 18:47.49 | Gijs | so just "drop database my-database;" |
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| 18:48.34 | jhutchins_lt | Gijs: The only place the file is still stored is on your backup. |
| 18:49.01 | Gijs | amazing i got no backup of that db |
| 18:49.30 | jelly-home | that just means you didn't really need it |
| 18:49.58 | Gijs | well i did but i got old backup |
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| 18:51.16 | thewanderer1 | Gijs: don't do anything, try undeletion programs as soon as you can, you *might* be able to recover |
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| 18:52.13 | thewanderer1 | Gijs: switching to a LiveCD would be advisable. fast... |
| 18:52.28 | Gijs | that wont bring my db back. |
| 18:52.49 | thewanderer1 | well you could try and recover the files, unless they have been shredded |
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| 18:53.17 | wooden | Gijs: fwiw, i don't think windows would have saved you. i think doing 'drop database' in mysql on any platform is pretty final. |
| 18:53.23 | jordanm | even if he has a backup of the file, mysql is typically not restored by resotring the file |
| 18:53.36 | jordanm | backups are typically taken via sql dumps |
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| 18:53.57 | thewanderer1 | jordanm: true, but the data could be recovered, while the schema is contained in the old backup... |
| 18:55.07 | Gijs | arnt there any undelete programs in debian? |
| 18:55.20 | jhutchins_lt | jordanm: Actually, restoring the files works pretty consistently. You really only need to restore from dumps if you're doing a partial restore. |
| 18:55.39 | thewanderer1 | Gijs: there are, but as soon as you apt-get something, the filesystem is likely to overwrite your deleted data on-disk |
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| 18:55.53 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: I have restored from files many times, but the one time it didn't work for me, I was told by #mysql it was a big no-no |
| 18:56.07 | jordanm | luckily, I had dumps also |
| 18:56.19 | jhutchins_lt | jordanm: It depends on the DB I suppose. |
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| 18:56.42 | nsadmin | not just apt-get, but anything that might write to the disk... and this is made more complex by the simple fact that linux has concurrent processes |
| 18:56.50 | thewanderer1 | also, logging IRC chats or anything to any logs does do disk writes :P |
| 18:56.56 | thewanderer1 | yeah |
| 18:57.07 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: they had told me that copying the files while the server was running was the bad part about it, so I suppose it is safe if the server is shutdown prior to the backup |
| 18:57.12 | nsadmin | bottom line: you need to keep backups |
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| 18:57.37 | jhutchins_lt | jordanm: Yes, I think that's the case as well. |
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| 18:59.49 | nsadmin | and that applies one step outward as well: if you're going to take an sql dump of the db, you ought to do it while your application is shut down |
| 19:00.05 | TMM | petemc, bleh, on this model ALOM settings are stored on the SCC |
| 19:00.19 | TMM | petemc, looks like I'm going to have to order one of those cables |
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| 19:01.08 | petemc | TMM: its just an adapter you need, you use an ordinary network cable with it |
| 19:01.12 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin: no, you can just use transactions and locking wisely |
| 19:01.19 | petemc | TMM: db9 to rj45 |
| 19:01.27 | jordanm | nsadmin: "while your application is shut down" is often never |
| 19:01.30 | TMM | petemc, is it the same as the stuff from cisco? |
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| 19:02.02 | petemc | TMM: probably |
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| 19:03.04 | TMM | petemc, plenty of cisco ones on ebay, I'll just order one of those then, thanks! |
| 19:03.33 | petemc | TMM: why not get a sun one, just to be sure |
| 19:04.42 | pseubodot | looks in |
| 19:05.08 | pseubodot | did the daily builds for d-i for ia64 and amd64 stop? |
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| 19:06.24 | pseubodot | my scripts that download the latest squeeze cdimage from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ are not pulling these down any more, tho it is working for i386 |
| 19:08.29 | Gijs | oke people |
| 19:08.30 | abrotman | throws water on pseubodot |
| 19:08.38 | TMM | petemc, I'll try that if the cisco one doesn't work, the sun one's not available in my country :-/ |
| 19:08.41 | Gijs | i just heard from #mysql " <Naktibalda> Gijs: if tables were myisam, you could undelete files" |
| 19:08.50 | abrotman | pseubodot: the ISOs are there? |
| 19:08.59 | TMM | petemc, and according to some pinout diagrams they should work, so... well, I guess I'll see. Kind of a bummer ;) |
| 19:09.00 | Gijs | well how to undelete in debian? |
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| 19:09.16 | abrotman | backup |
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| 19:09.39 | Gijs | no i want to undelete |
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| 19:09.51 | TMM | Gijs, depends on the filesystem, but in general : if you have to ask, you're not equipped for file undelete. If it's EXT2 there's a handy little utility, but anything else is a pain |
| 19:10.05 | pseubodot | abrotman: no, they don't seem to be there any more, I looked. |
| 19:10.10 | Gijs | well i wanna try everything what is possible |
| 19:10.12 | abrotman | i just saw them ? |
| 19:10.13 | pseubodot | (on the cdimage website) |
| 19:10.15 | Gijs | how to do that EXT2 thing? |
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| 19:10.23 | abrotman | pseubodot: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ia64/iso-cd/ ? |
| 19:10.31 | pseubodot | those are *weekly* builds |
| 19:10.36 | abrotman | oh, you want daily |
| 19:10.40 | pseubodot | well, if possible. |
| 19:10.47 | TMM | Gijs, is the filesystem that the database was on ext2? |
| 19:10.58 | abrotman | pseubodot: no one will know if you use weekly? :) |
| 19:11.01 | Gijs | i dont know |
| 19:11.02 | Gijs | how to know? |
| 19:11.14 | abrotman | pseubodot: netinst? |
| 19:11.22 | pseubodot | abrotman: y |
| 19:11.32 | abrotman | i see a daily.old that hase an iso |
| 19:11.41 | TMM | Gijs, you type in 'mount' on the server and see what type of filesystem your database is on... do you have any experience adminning a Linux box? |
| 19:12.00 | abrotman | pseubodot: also: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/testing/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 19:12.19 | pseubodot | why 'daily.old' ? |
| 19:12.21 | Gijs | http://pastebin.com/dyGEzDYy |
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| 19:13.53 | Gijs | TMM, http://pastebin.com/dyGEzDYy |
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| 19:14.03 | abrotman | pseubodot: FIIK .. maybe ask #debian-boot on OFTC (watch out for pete, he's mean) |
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| 19:15.46 | TMM | Gijs, looks like it's ext3, the undelete tools won't work there. There's this page : http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html and there's a tool called 'sleuthkit' but it looks like your databases are on the same filesystem as your OS, so by now some of the data will almost certainly have been corrupted. |
| 19:15.55 | TMM | Gijs, there's probably nothing you can do now |
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| 19:26.58 | pseubodot | abrotman: I'll watch out for him, sounds like a gnarly character |
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| 19:27.15 | abrotman | pseubodot: i heard he skins trout with his bare teeth! |
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| 19:28.02 | pseubodot | abrotman: like him already. |
| 19:28.18 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 19:35.59 | ferr | i have, a debian lenny guest (vmware) added some RAM to the guest, how can i rescan to see the new RAM? i wanna do this online |
| 19:36.04 | ferr | if possible.. |
| 19:36.35 | nsadmin | ferr: you might have to reboot |
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| 19:36.53 | thewanderer11 | ferr, if your guest uses the memory baloon driver, you can do this online - otherwise, reboot. |
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| 19:38.42 | thewanderer11 | ferr, but I think that only KVM supports balloon, not VMware... :P |
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| 19:40.22 | ferr | hmm |
| 19:40.32 | ferr | how can i check this? |
| 19:40.56 | nsadmin | are you running vmware? |
| 19:41.00 | ferr | y |
| 19:41.22 | nsadmin | does your guest use the memory balloon driver? |
| 19:41.41 | ferr | i don't know, how can i check this? |
| 19:42.01 | nsadmin | thewanderer11, what is that, a kernel module? |
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| 19:42.17 | ferr | not in lsmod |
| 19:42.23 | thewanderer11 | nsadmin: a driver, so potentially grepping for it could help |
| 19:42.42 | fas3r | i use nxserver and nxclient de nomachine. i can run X application with the users which im connect on nxserver. How can i run it with root ? because it return the display is not good but the set variable $DISPLAY is the same in both user |
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| 19:47.01 | thewanderer11 | fas3r: if you're under GNOME, use gksu or gksudo from the user to run apps as root |
| 19:47.20 | fas3r | thewanderer11: kde |
| 19:47.32 | thewanderer11 | fas3r: then use kdesu |
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| 19:49.28 | nick_h | would rewrite rules in /var/www/foo/.htaccess have any effect on for http://domain.com/foo/bar/baz.txt ? |
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| 19:49.50 | bleakgadfly | nsadmin: Aptitude still doesn't work, but everything else does :) |
| 19:49.55 | jordanm | nick_h: #httpd |
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| 19:50.32 | fas3r | thewanderer11: kdesudo ? |
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| 19:51.01 | Spec | On my debian system, logcheck is ignoring the TMP variable defined in logcheck.conf and is trying to write to /tmp :( |
| 19:51.33 | nick_h | thanks jordanm |
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| 19:51.42 | thewanderer11 | fas3r: kdesudo or kdesu, whatever suits you |
| 19:52.21 | foetus | i need the console for apache.. |
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| 19:59.55 | thewanderer11 | I have a mono exe file. What do I need to run it? |
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| 20:00.20 | TMM | thewanderer11, mono? |
| 20:00.32 | thewanderer11 | TMM: yes, what about package names? |
| 20:01.06 | TMM | start with mono-runtime |
| 20:01.33 | thewanderer11 | The assembly mscorlib.dll was not found or could not be loaded. -- this is what I got when I started... |
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| 20:02.14 | TMM | libmono-corlib2.0-cil or libmono-corlib1.0-cil depending on your mono version |
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| 20:02.24 | TMM | you could apt-cache search 'mscore' :) |
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| 20:02.45 | TMM | err 'mscor' sorry |
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| 20:04.02 | thewanderer11 | hm, I've just found this libmono-corlib thing |
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| 20:05.02 | thewanderer11 | I actually had the 1.0 version despite installing from unstable, hehe |
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| 20:05.50 | abrotman | thewanderer11: aptitude has this thing .. it's called full-upgrade ... give it a whirl |
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| 20:06.49 | TMM | abrotman, full-upgrade? is that like apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 20:06.56 | Rug | Poll type question: What is the best tiling WM for somebody who LOVES fluxbox? |
| 20:07.07 | greycat | TMM: essentially, yes. |
| 20:07.12 | bittin` | Rug: awesome or wmii |
| 20:07.21 | greycat | except it uses aptitude instead of apt-get |
| 20:07.35 | thewanderer11 | abrotman: thanks, but it was not really applicable here - it didn't affect the significant packages |
| 20:07.37 | Rug | bittin`: I keep hearing about awesome... |
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| 20:08.06 | thewanderer11 | Rug: +1 for awesome. but hey, KDE supports tiling in the newest version... :P |
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| 20:08.31 | bittin` | Rug: apt-get and try it then :) |
| 20:08.40 | Rug | thewanderer11: I stopped liking KDE after 3.5 |
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| 20:09.06 | amphi | Rug: xmonad ;) |
| 20:09.08 | thewanderer11 | Rug: it's back on track now, and yes - 4.0 and 4.1 were a mistake... |
| 20:09.10 | TMM | would've been nice if xfwm4 had some kind of tiling support |
| 20:09.24 | dougmencken | hello; I have very serious question; the quesyion about the entire platform |
| 20:09.30 | TMM | but, well, floating windows are nice too :) |
| 20:09.38 | dougmencken | will you drop POWER/PowerPC support? |
| 20:09.40 | amphi | eewwww |
| 20:09.48 | bittin` | dougmencken: i don't hope so |
| 20:09.50 | Rug | ok, does Awesome play nice with dual-screens? |
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| 20:09.56 | amphi | xmonad lets you float windows, if you must |
| 20:09.56 | bittin` | becouse my music server is using Debian testing ppc |
| 20:10.11 | thewanderer11 | Rug: I have no idea at all |
| 20:10.13 | Rug | bittin`: mpd? |
| 20:10.22 | amphi | Rug: xmonad does - separate workspaces on each screen, rather than one bloody great desktop |
| 20:10.26 | bittin` | Rug: yes :) |
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| 20:10.53 | amphi | Rug: although you can make it behave as one large screen, if you want |
| 20:10.53 | Rug | thewanderer11: yeah, the folks in #awesome have not answered. I figured they were too busy fighting config files. =) |
| 20:11.15 | dougmencken | bittin`: please, no kidding, it is very serious, it's about the entire platform; opera (the proprietary browser) just dropped us: http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2010/08/30/tea ; opensuse dropped us, fedora dropped us |
| 20:11.22 | Rug | amphi: xmonad: can you have the mouse cross screens? |
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| 20:11.41 | amphi | Rug: of course |
| 20:11.48 | chat99035 | hello |
| 20:11.50 | Rug | amphi: ok, I'll try it. |
| 20:11.51 | thewanderer11 | well, the awesome's config demands a heavy whopping from a Lua hater, but it's usable when you don't have to see the files too often |
| 20:12.17 | Rug | thewanderer11: That brings me back to my love of Flux. |
| 20:12.21 | amphi | Rug: being able to switch workspaces on one screen without affecting what's displayed on the other[s] is very pleasant |
| 20:12.34 | Rug | amphi: that is exactly what I am after |
| 20:12.56 | amphi | Rug: I don't know whether awesome and wmii can do that |
| 20:13.12 | Rug | needs an RDP session open for work all the time, and linux on my main screen so I can get work done. |
| 20:13.19 | amphi | Rug: if you switch to a workspace displayed on another screen, the workspaces will swap screens |
| 20:13.28 | Tommy_DO | Why do I receive all messages from the Debian bug reporting system twice? |
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| 20:13.52 | Rug | amphi: you sold me on xmonad |
| 20:14.00 | Tommy_DO | Every e-mail arrives twice in my inbox. |
| 20:14.12 | amphi | Rug: heh - the config is a haskell program ;) |
| 20:14.33 | amphi | Rug: there are many example configs on xmonad.org you can play with |
| 20:14.34 | Rug | amphi: I don't know what that is, but I will face it bravely! |
| 20:14.34 | dougmencken | romours says you will drop powerpc in 1-2 years |
| 20:14.45 | dougmencken | s/romours/rumours/ |
| 20:15.15 | Rug | dougmencken: it will take much longer then that for the packages to come out of testing! (jk folks I love ya) |
| 20:15.17 | dougmencken | FUD eating me |
| 20:15.56 | dougmencken | Rug: I'm testing as much as I can. and reporting ~10 bugs per month |
| 20:16.04 | abrotman | dougmencken: powerpc is at this point, confirmed for squeeze .. and given the number of people using it, i can't see it going away any time soon |
| 20:16.09 | abrotman | there is a #debianppc on irc.oftc.net |
| 20:16.11 | thewanderer11 | dougmencken: did the place you read that info also refer to something called "Ubunto"? :P |
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| 20:16.54 | dougmencken | abrotman: opera guys said it's 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000015 (well, 0.01% actually) of us |
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| 20:16.57 | Rug | oh noes, don't say that word. |
| 20:17.27 | thewanderer11 | dougmencken: opera guys run Opera, the closed-source browser which is supposed to run on "personal computers"... :P |
| 20:17.59 | dougmencken | thewanderer11: yep, but they ... oh, sorry, forgot opera; opera is dead for now; opera is noe x86 only (==== dead) |
| 20:18.09 | dougmencken | s/noe/now/ |
| 20:18.46 | thewanderer11 | silently hopes that the project dies and contributes its sources to Firefox to reinforce it against Chromium |
| 20:19.03 | dougmencken | hopes they will open their sources |
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| 20:19.15 | dougmencken | so no dead, only live |
| 20:19.55 | dougmencken | dead projects always open their sources :) |
| 20:20.03 | thewanderer11 | dougmencken: no, games don't |
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| 20:20.08 | Rug | hopes that any browser will be released that supports NoScript, FlashBlock, AdBlock, without being cludgy like Opera or Bloated like FF |
| 20:20.36 | dougmencken | Rug: try links2 -g |
| 20:20.38 | thewanderer11 | Rug: you must mean links? no script, no flash, no ads (flash/JS). |
| 20:20.42 | thewanderer11 | dougmencken: my man! |
| 20:20.44 | dougmencken | :) |
| 20:20.49 | Rug | thewanderer11: yeah like that. |
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| 20:21.20 | thewanderer11 | there is also the oddly-named urvxi? uxvri? uwxwhat? I can't remember the name... |
| 20:21.26 | bittin` | urxvt |
| 20:21.32 | Rug | I usually use lynx, but those damn flash games are so fun at times! |
| 20:21.34 | bittin` | or ah browser |
| 20:21.35 | bittin` | uzbl |
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| 20:21.43 | dougmencken | little mantra okay? radhe radhe radhe goovinda |
| 20:21.44 | thewanderer11 | bittin`: yeah |
| 20:22.04 | bittin` | =) |
| 20:22.45 | amphi | Rug: I like midori (webkit-based browser) |
| 20:23.01 | Rug | I'll keep that one in mind. |
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| 20:23.15 | thewanderer11 | amphi: so is midori ready yet? or KDE4.0-like? |
| 20:23.19 | dougmencken | what do you thinks about #lightspark guys? (main developer) he does want opengl (anavail on most cards) and vector optimization (sexese/altivec) |
| 20:23.49 | dougmencken | unavail* sse3* |
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| 20:24.30 | TMM | I use a bunch of greasemonkey scripts to embed flash videos using the installed media player plugin, and no flash. |
| 20:24.36 | amphi | thewanderer11: I build it from git, and it works fine for me |
| 20:25.16 | thewanderer11 | dougmencken: what? I thought Chromium was getting GPU support soon |
| 20:25.18 | TMM | lightspark doesn't work too well, and while gnash works better, it still fails on a lot of recent flash files |
| 20:25.43 | Rug | I'll BBiaB, gotta kill X |
| 20:25.44 | dougmencken | thewanderer11: only on x86 and arm (chromium is very very platform-dependent) |
| 20:25.49 | thewanderer11 | dougmencken: oh you mean Flash. it's getting replaced by HTML5 :) |
| 20:25.57 | dougmencken | thewanderer11: hope so |
| 20:25.59 | thewanderer11 | hm, platform-dependent? strange this |
| 20:26.13 | thewanderer11 | Assembler code or what? |
| 20:26.43 | dougmencken | thewanderer11: yep, assembly, and that assembly is even part of icecat (so icecat is x86 and arm only too without --disable-ipc) |
| 20:27.30 | thewanderer11 | excuse me, but just what is icecat? |
| 20:27.38 | dougmencken | this bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=579757 |
| 20:27.41 | jordanm | ,info icecat |
| 20:27.44 | judd | No record of package 'icecat' in lenny/i386. |
| 20:27.59 | dougmencken | thewanderer11: firefox, but free |
| 20:28.18 | at0m | i'm wondering what's up- and downloading 1GB from my home server the last hour - any console way to see which other machine the traffic is going to? |
| 20:28.21 | jordanm | dougmencken: what is wrong with iceweasel? (which is also free) |
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| 20:28.42 | thewanderer11 | dougmencken, jordanm: yes, this part is what I'm not getting, either |
| 20:28.50 | dougmencken | jordanm: based on same sources |
| 20:28.52 | at0m | for now i can just watch the traffic go using slurm... |
| 20:28.59 | thewanderer11 | at0m: jnettop |
| 20:29.05 | at0m | thewanderer11: cheers |
| 20:29.27 | dougmencken | and mozilla guys are "adopting" something from x86-only chromium |
| 20:29.27 | thewanderer11 | atomx: you should get ntop on there if you have some spare memory / CPU cycles |
| 20:29.52 | dougmencken | being on x86, you are blind, really |
| 20:30.22 | thewanderer11 | dougmencken: I'm on amd64 but would prefer Itanium if it was available for laptops... :P |
| 20:31.06 | TMM | thewanderer11, there are sparc laptops |
| 20:31.36 | thewanderer11 | TMM: where?! |
| 20:31.38 | dougmencken | thewanderer11: x86 does mean "and derivatives" too, like i286, i386sx, i386dx, i486sx, i486dx, i486dx2, i486overdrive, i586, i586mmx, i686, ... |
| 20:31.56 | amphi | thewanderer11: tadpole.com used to do 'em |
| 20:32.08 | amphi | very discreet about pricing, if I recall correctly ;) |
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| 20:32.22 | thewanderer11 | dougmencken: yes, but if it runs on amd64 natively without IA32_EMULATION, then it's fine |
| 20:32.45 | Rug | back |
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| 20:33.13 | TMM | thewanderer11, a company called 'tadpole' makes them |
| 20:33.22 | Rug | amphi: stupid question, but how do I switch from gnome-terminal to xterm as my default in xmonad? |
| 20:33.47 | amphi | Rug: edit your config |
| 20:33.58 | Rug | $editor ? |
| 20:34.02 | dougmencken | thewanderer11: at least BIOS runs as 16-bit real-mode |
| 20:34.30 | thewanderer11 | dougmencken: yes, but fortunately it's not in Linux :) |
| 20:34.52 | dougmencken | thewanderer11: it is before, but it is into your machine, which is x86 |
| 20:35.12 | amphi | Rug: or perhaps you can just 'update-alternatives x-terminal-emulator' |
| 20:35.13 | dougmencken | Openfirmare is open and free |
| 20:35.35 | rmacd_ | Small issue I'm having: I seem to have broken syslog. None of the logs are being updated and I've no idea what's going on in my system now. |
| 20:35.45 | rmacd_ | Any suggestions what I should be looking for? |
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| 20:36.33 | amphi | Rug: you'll want to install libghc6-xmonad-contrib-dev to have any fun with xmonad |
| 20:37.09 | thewanderer11 | rmacd_: reinstall syslog with default config, try again :P |
| 20:38.16 | rmacd_ | thewanderer11: Okay, just a quick remove --purge and then install should do the trick then :) am I right in thinking that sysklogd's the name of the default package on lenny? |
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| 20:38.27 | amphi | Rug: and have a look at http://xmonad.org/xmonad-docs/xmonad-contrib/index.html to get an idea of the possibilities |
| 20:38.35 | Rug | amphi: ok thanks |
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| 20:39.46 | thewanderer11 | rmacd_: I have no idea, I've been using rsyslog without problems and probably this is the default now |
| 20:40.00 | thewanderer11 | rmacd_: when in doubt. check. |
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| 20:42.00 | Mr_Brown | Hi, Every one I get this error when I tray to up multipath error calling out /lib/udev/scsi_id -g -u -s /sys/block/sdi |
| 20:42.20 | Mr_Brown | what do you think? thz |
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| 20:46.55 | edwin_quijada | there is a something way that ProftPd doesnt disconected automatic I mean it keeps connected always |
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| 20:49.03 | nutron | where are the possible console modes listed in the linux documentation? I vaguely remember vga=794 as an option, but I want to use a smaller res, 800x600. Google isn't helping me, or I don't know what to specifically search for. |
| 20:49.12 | thewanderer11 | !ftp must die |
| 20:49.12 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie . If you really just want to provide anonymous download of files, use HTTP: http://daniel.haxx.se/docs/ftp-vs-http.html |
| 20:49.15 | thewanderer11 | edwin_quijada: ^ |
| 20:49.39 | thewanderer11 | nutron: vga=ask |
| 20:49.48 | syslq | funny |
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| 20:50.13 | nutron | thewanderer11: nein, that gives me non frame buffer modes... or ... maybe it doesn't ... last time I tried anyway. |
| 20:50.15 | shylent | ftp is terrible :( |
| 20:50.37 | nutron | ahh google found it for me, nvm |
| 20:50.49 | shylent | anyone who knows a thing about protocols understands that ftp is an abomination |
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| 20:51.09 | Gokee2 | How can I install something without one of the dependencies while installing the rest? |
| 20:51.19 | greycat | Gokee2: dpkg --force-help |
| 20:51.28 | greycat | Gokee2: and when (not if) you break it, you get to keep the pieces |
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| 20:52.01 | edwin_quijada | thewanderer11: but not yet |
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| 20:52.25 | Gokee2 | greycat, I can't do it with apt-get? I want to get the management interface for openvpn (to admin a remote server) without installing the openvpn server on my workstation |
| 20:52.27 | thewanderer11 | edwin_quijada: I don't think that ProFTPd provides a keep-alive feature like HTTP does |
| 20:52.42 | greycat | no, you cannot. |
| 20:52.43 | thewanderer11 | Gokee2: is it a dependency or a recommend? |
| 20:52.50 | greycat | if you want to break things, you need lower-level tools. |
| 20:53.28 | Gokee2 | thewanderer11, dependency |
| 20:53.53 | thewanderer11 | Gokee2: then it means that there are valid reasons you need that |
| 20:54.21 | TMM | Gokee2, you could apt-get source the package, change the dependencies in debian/control, build it and install the resulting deb |
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| 20:54.26 | edwin_quijada | thewanderer11: yes |
| 20:54.32 | nsadmin | dependency means it cannot run without it... if that's not true, perhaps you should file a bug report |
| 20:54.35 | Gokee2 | thewanderer11, Normally you would want it... I am using the gadmin in a rather strange way that according to there site should work |
| 20:55.11 | greycat | Gokee2: unless you are so short on disk space that you literally *cannot* afford to install the dependency, you should just install it. |
| 20:55.13 | Gokee2 | TMM, Hmm, that's a interesting idea |
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| 20:55.35 | thewanderer11 | whatever nsadmin says, but hey, are you sure that this gadmin thing can actually work with remote servers? |
| 20:55.38 | thewanderer11 | I would doubt that |
| 20:55.54 | Gokee2 | greycat, Hmm, but I really don't want it... I guess I could just install it but its a waste of space and cpu power if I forget to stop it |
| 20:56.06 | greycat | why would you need to STOP anything? |
| 20:56.11 | greycat | just don't run it |
| 20:56.32 | Gokee2 | greycat, Cause Debian starts openvpn when the package is installed? |
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| 20:57.01 | TMM | can't you not start it by changing something in /etc/default? |
| 20:57.12 | TMM | or failing that, update-rc.d to not start it on subsequent boots? |
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| 20:58.01 | Gokee2 | Ya... More work then stopping it and forgetting about it |
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| 20:58.31 | Gokee2 | thewanderer11, And yes I am pretty sure it works remote http://gadmintools.flippedweb.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=25 |
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| 20:59.18 | Raydiation | what could be the cause that apache is still serving phtml instead of html? apache mod php5 is enabled |
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| 20:59.50 | Raydiation | oh, got it |
| 20:59.53 | thewanderer11 | Gokee2: bad news for you, it does NOT run remotely. it only uses X forwarding, so you can not use it as a remote mgmt panel. |
| 20:59.54 | Raydiation | browser cache |
| 21:00.17 | thewanderer11 | Gokee2: the bottom line is, you need it on the same machine as openvpn server. |
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| 21:01.14 | Gokee2 | reads the page more carefully, that is what the page says :( |
| 21:01.20 | relzzz | is it possible to compile latest vlc on lenny? |
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| 21:01.33 | Bushmills | Gokee2: not much use starting it without config files and authentication requirements. cert signed keys, for example |
| 21:02.21 | Bushmills | debian init scripts will look whether config files reside in /etc/openvpn, and starts an instance for each config file found |
| 21:02.51 | Gokee2 | Bushmills, Ah, so even though it said starting it did not start anything :) |
| 21:02.59 | Bushmills | fine tune in /etc/default/openvpn |
| 21:03.01 | thewanderer11 | guys, how to authenticate against OpenLDAP? (default schema, using posixAccount) |
| 21:03.15 | thewanderer11 | I need a line that will verify if this really works, be it an `ldapsearch` |
| 21:03.18 | jordanm | thewanderer11: using pam_ldap? |
| 21:03.28 | thewanderer11 | jordanm: not yet, debugging it so I need another way |
| 21:04.18 | matt8686 | I tried to kill a process in manner, that there is a core dump left behind this process. I did this: "kill -ABRT 26936". 26936 was 'top'. As I understand, using ABRT signal, process should close itself, clean up and save core dump. However, where is this dump file saved? |
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| 21:04.46 | TMM | matt8686, per default, no core dumps are saved. You have to change the ulimit |
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| 21:06.00 | timholum | is anyone familiar with lvm? I am looking into doing a span on 2 esata hard drives, I know how to create the volume ( lvcreate -l4 -nlv02 -i2 backup /path/to/disk1 /path/to/disk2 ) I am just wondering if the volume would still be accessable if the system next time I plug them in the system give's them /dev/sdc and /dev/sdd as apposed to /dev/sdb and /dev/sdc or swapped which one is which? |
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| 21:06.25 | ward| | any ops in here? |
| 21:06.34 | ward| | semi-urgent |
| 21:07.13 | thewanderer11 | timholum: no :P |
| 21:07.41 | thewanderer11 | timholum: you'd need to refer to UUID's for that I think |
| 21:07.42 | TMM | timholum, LVM should scan for volumes, it should work fine |
| 21:07.55 | ward| | never mind |
| 21:08.16 | TMM | timholum, you should first make physical volumes though. |
| 21:08.31 | thewanderer11 | TMM: oh, scanning. good catch. in this case if one configures PV's with UUID's it's gonna work |
| 21:08.50 | TMM | you shouldn't have to, the pvs should be found automatically without any trickery |
| 21:09.00 | timholum | ok, so lvm will be able to handel if a change happend and there /dev/ is changed |
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| 21:09.23 | TMM | yes, you might have to manually do pvscan && vgscan && vgchange -ay if you hot plug them |
| 21:09.34 | TMM | but otherwise, there shouldn't be a problem |
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| 21:10.31 | matt8686 | TMM: I set "ulimit -c unlimited", but is there a specific location, where core dumps are stored? |
| 21:10.36 | TMM | if you first pvcreate /dev/disk1 && pvcreate /dev/disk2 && vgcreate myvg /dev/disk1 /dev/disk2 && lvcreate -n myvol myvg -L<size> |
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| 21:10.59 | TMM | matt8686, cwd of the program that runs, if it doesn't exist I think it'll go to / or /var/core ... but I'm not sure on the last one |
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| 21:11.42 | timholum | TMM: Thank you for your help |
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| 21:12.15 | TMM | timholum, pvcreate will destroy all the existing data! don't forget that |
| 21:12.20 | thewanderer11 | so how do I authenticate against OpenLDAP? any hints? using `ldapsearch -x -W -D "uid=thewanderer,dc=domain,dc=com" -b "dc=domain,dc=com"` always fails to authenticate |
| 21:12.51 | thewanderer11 | the user account was created with smbldap-adduser |
| 21:13.14 | thewanderer11 | the only user that authentication works with is cn=admin, which was created by the debconf script |
| 21:13.15 | timholum | TMM: Thanks for the reminder, the drives have not needed data on them |
| 21:13.29 | TMM | timholum, very good :) |
| 21:13.47 | matt8686 | TMM: what is "cwd"? |
| 21:13.59 | TMM | matt8686, current working directory |
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| 21:15.58 | TMM | matt8686, a link to the program's cwd is in /dev/<pid>/cwd |
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| 21:21.36 | faust80 | can someone help me to install wlan on debian squeeze? I have a Lenovo g550 and i don't get to install it. |
| 21:21.42 | thewanderer11 | I'm using OpenLDAP and a user account created with smbldap-useradd - how to bind to LDAP using an account name created this way? |
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| 21:22.30 | optocus | hi |
| 21:22.39 | optocus | i need some help with bash scripting |
| 21:23.15 | TMM | man bash? |
| 21:23.21 | optocus | im trying to make a script that will make a new vhost for apache (create directories, setup the sites-available file, replace in that file a placeholder with the sitename) |
| 21:23.51 | thewanderer11 | optocus: http://ispconfig.org or learn bash |
| 21:24.09 | optocus | http://pastebin.com/dxGAku8h |
| 21:24.20 | optocus | can anybody tell me what i did wrong there |
| 21:24.22 | optocus | or fix it |
| 21:24.25 | optocus | please |
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| 21:25.16 | matt8686 | TMM: I started "tail -f /var/log/messages", set "ulimit -c unlimited" and then did "kill -ABRT 27830", but there still seems to be no core dump file. Here are the steps I took: http://pastebin.com/EQ94wEEa Any ideas? |
| 21:25.20 | thewanderer11 | optocus: your use of sed is incorrect, the variable will not be evaluated and even if it is, it doesn't work like you expect it to |
| 21:25.25 | Bushmills | you didn't redirect sed's output to a file |
| 21:25.36 | JNSamuel | what's the best IM client for linux? (msn) |
| 21:25.44 | foetus | creating virtual hosts with apache is like a seminar at the online help.. |
| 21:26.09 | optocus | JNSamuel: www.pidgin.im |
| 21:26.10 | thewanderer11 | optocus: sed -i # use this for in-place file operation |
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| 21:26.26 | optocus | sed -i 's/samplevhost/$1/g' /etc/apache2/sites-available/$1 |
| 21:26.30 | optocus | like this? |
| 21:26.38 | thewanderer11 | I've also heard that Kopete supports MSN |
| 21:26.47 | Bushmills | sed pattern sample > new |
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| 21:26.58 | ohmy | hi |
| 21:27.13 | Bushmills | no need to copy sample with that first |
| 21:27.51 | thewanderer11 | optocus: should work if you realize that the $1 enclosed in 'apostrophes' has to be replaced because variables enclosed this way will not be evaluated, use "quotes" instead |
| 21:28.04 | optocus | ok |
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| 21:30.02 | foetus | enclose with strong quotes like '' is interpreted as literal, right? |
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| 21:31.14 | thewanderer11 | foetus: yeah |
| 21:31.32 | foetus | thewanderer11: uff |
| 21:31.36 | foetus | :) |
| 21:32.14 | Bushmills | foetus: no |
| 21:32.28 | foetus | Bushmills: not? |
| 21:32.31 | Bushmills | $vars are still expanded (in shell scripts) |
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| 21:32.52 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:33.14 | thewanderer11 | Bushmills: this is what he typed - two characters. use monospace! :P |
| 21:33.16 | TMM | Bushmills, $vars are NOT expanded in single quotes |
| 21:33.34 | Bushmills | oh. sry. looked like " to me |
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| 21:34.17 | foetus | Bushmills: yes. so they are enterpreted literal, imho..and not expanded too |
| 21:34.18 | optocus | hurray |
| 21:34.19 | optocus | it works |
| 21:34.24 | optocus | thank you guys |
| 21:34.25 | ohmy | i'm stuck on how to create usb install media, at the moment, i've tried unetbootin with net install and kde image (lenny + squeeze in both cases). Well, debian installer starts, setting language/keyboard etc, and after the installer prompt me with "Mounting CD" or something like. My understading is that the installer tries to install debian from CD and not USB. Could anyone help please |
| 21:34.31 | tehrabbitt | hey anyone here know about XEN or VMs where I can install XP on a linux box? |
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| 21:35.06 | thewanderer11 | tehrabbitt: Xen is for servers, use VirtualBox on desktop |
| 21:35.12 | tehrabbitt | Aight |
| 21:35.20 | thewanderer11 | tehrabbitt: or KVM if you're feeling adventurous :P |
| 21:35.23 | ohmy | brb |
| 21:35.25 | Bushmills | i assumed nobody would put two single quotes next to each other, knowing that they'd look like double quotes :) |
| 21:35.36 | tehrabbitt | thewanderer11: Sounds like KVM is my best bet then ;) |
| 21:35.37 | tehrabbitt | lol |
| 21:36.06 | foetus | Bushmills: indeed ;) |
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| 21:37.03 | TMM | Bushmills, do you use a non-monospace font in your IRC client? |
| 21:37.21 | Bushmills | yes, i do |
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| 21:37.33 | optocus | can anybody do me a script to add/delete vhosts, but also create a database and have some parameters i need? for $10 |
| 21:37.34 | TMM | Bushmills, nasty :P |
| 21:37.56 | Bushmills | i find those easier to read than monospaced |
| 21:37.56 | TMM | optocus, wow, $10, offered on IRC! |
| 21:38.01 | optocus | paypal |
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| 21:38.05 | thewanderer11 | TMM: just how to set monospace in Pidgin? |
| 21:38.30 | thewanderer11 | optocus: it is already done for you on http://ispconfig.org, really |
| 21:38.32 | optocus | its a simple script but i don't know bash |
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| 21:38.47 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
| 21:38.54 | thewanderer11 | optocus: plus, version 2 (the older) has a nice web API that you can script around with PHP and SOAP :P |
| 21:39.00 | TMM | I will offer $1,000,000 dollars for shell script that prints the current dat :P |
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| 21:39.15 | TMM | my word as an anonymous Internet user |
| 21:39.26 | Guest10840 | hi |
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| 21:39.28 | optocus | so i should download that and search in it for the script that does what i need? |
| 21:39.42 | thewanderer11 | optocus: well yes, or just take that as your turn-key solution |
| 21:39.54 | thewanderer11 | it's not very elegant but saves you from re-inventing the wheel |
| 21:40.12 | optocus | i don't want to instal it on my server, i just need a script so i don't call several commands every time i need a new vhost |
| 21:40.22 | Guest10840 | what does this error mean? error occured during the initialization of VM " when i tried to run a jar file? |
| 21:40.53 | ShapeShifter499 | it seems my debian system is using wireless over wired..... weird.. anyway of making debian use an wired connection unless wireless is the only option? |
| 21:40.55 | thewanderer11 | Guest10840: it means you need to put more force on the jar's cover... :P - your Java VM is not running fine |
| 21:41.04 | optocus | basicaly i want to be able to (or not to do): create database of given name, assign DB user of given name and pass, create www director, create vhost conf file, do a2ensite |
| 21:41.12 | optocus | but i might want the database part to be optional |
| 21:41.30 | babilen | ShapeShifter499: How do you manage your interfaces? Most high-level (i.e. wicd and n-m) tools behave the way you want |
| 21:41.37 | Bushmills | ShapeShifter499: wicd |
| 21:41.37 | optocus | and for the vhost file to have an alias with www.domain |
| 21:41.39 | thewanderer11 | ShapeShifter499: it's a matter of routing, and NetworkManager is pretty dumb, so you might have to hack it or sth... or stop using network-manager :P |
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| 21:42.24 | Guest10840 | So what can i do to fix it |
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| 21:42.52 | ShapeShifter499 | um I'm using NetworkManager what should I use instead? |
| 21:43.14 | thewanderer11 | ShapeShifter499: err... disable wireless when you're on cable |
| 21:43.21 | babilen | Guest10840: It might help to provide more information on a pastebin. E.g. The exact command and error, java version, .... |
| 21:43.42 | thewanderer11 | Guest10840: you're saying you're on a VM - use strace to track down your problem. I'm suspecting out-of-memory error (as VM's often have small memories) if you have the sun java VM, and if not, then try the Sun JVM |
| 21:44.04 | babilen | ShapeShifter499: Doesn't NM behave that way? I know that wicd does and NM did the last time i had to use it |
| 21:44.31 | Guest10840 | where do i put the pastebin |
| 21:44.33 | ShapeShifter499 | thewanderer11, but sometimes I move my laptop around alot and I don't want to have to enable it every time I do |
| 21:45.11 | babilen | Guest10840: http://paste.debian.net comes to mind -- also #jave might be a good place to ask. Are we talking about Debian packaged software? |
| 21:45.13 | thewanderer11 | ShapeShifter499: so you're saying that your default local route changes? |
| 21:45.22 | ShapeShifter499 | babilen: my internet connection is slow till I tell NM to disconnect from wifi then its speeds up again so I'm assuming its using wifi |
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| 21:45.35 | ShapeShifter499 | wifi over wired |
| 21:45.44 | thewanderer11 | ShapeShifter499: there's no "internet connection" - there are routes in the networking world :P |
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| 21:45.53 | babilen | ShapeShifter499: You could/should check that .. and there is no wifi over wired :) |
| 21:46.10 | atula_ | greetings. if I wanted to build a home server.. for file/backup purposes with MAC, WIndows and Linux client, I should use SMB rather than NFS, correct? |
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| 21:46.18 | thewanderer11 | ShapeShifter499: `ip rou sh` will show you the routes |
| 21:46.35 | TMM | atula_, you can simply install smb and nfs |
| 21:46.36 | thewanderer11 | atula_: no. you should SMB AND NFS. |
| 21:46.57 | atula_ | I see. nfs should already been installed I believe . |
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| 21:47.17 | thewanderer11 | atula: if you combine that with OpenLDAP, you get the same hell that I'm in now |
| 21:47.46 | ShapeShifter499 | thewanderer11, ok I got this http://pastebin.com/112Tc004 |
| 21:47.49 | atula | oh. no no. just a simple home server. use for backup/development environment |
| 21:48.03 | thewanderer11 | atula: then you don't need any of these - use SSH/SFTP. |
| 21:48.21 | thewanderer11 | atula: NFS is fine too, Samba somewhat heavier but still fine. |
| 21:48.41 | atula | thewanderer11: there's the wife whose machine is MAC and would want a simple mounting... :) okay that sounded cool... I mean drive mounting |
| 21:48.57 | ShapeShifter499 | thewanderer11, but have in mind I disconnected from my wifi all ready |
| 21:49.13 | thewanderer11 | atula: there's no "drive mounting" unless you're full of Windows... you mount filesystems :P |
| 21:49.23 | atula | you are correct. |
| 21:49.31 | thewanderer11 | ShapeShifter499: yeah, I could deduce that from the listing |
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| 21:50.12 | thewanderer11 | help, I'm having a problem with OpenLDAP - I can't authenticate as any user besides admin... |
| 21:50.59 | thewanderer11 | Samba authentication works (NTPassword or sth like that), but binding as uid=thewanderer,cn=.... never works |
| 21:51.22 | atula | I am dealing with a personal project that might bite me in the ass if I don't do it correctly. here are my needs: a server with redundancy for file storage/backup and could be used as an internal development environment (LAMP, VCS--Mercurial), DNS server and printer server. |
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| 21:51.44 | atula | I have: 2x80GB RAID1 for OS and 2x1TB RAID 1 for another drive |
| 21:52.20 | Guest10840 | how can i copy an error from my vps to the pastebin |
| 21:52.23 | thewanderer11 | atula: good, get ZFS on there and set up OpenVZ virtual environments :P |
| 21:52.31 | thewanderer11 | Guest10840: paste it... |
| 21:52.44 | ShapeShifter499 | thewanderer11, babilen I'll just tell NM not to hook up to my home wifi automatically |
| 21:52.50 | atula | I am thinking: 2x80GB RAID-1--> /dev/md0 --> /boot, swap and / ------- 2x1TB RAID-1 --> /dev/md0 --> /archive |
| 21:53.03 | Guest10840 | but its vps - if i press copy it just copys it into the vps's clipboard |
| 21:53.07 | thewanderer11 | ShapeShifter499: that is one solution, but you haven't provided us with any route listings with WiFi on yet :P |
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| 21:53.28 | thewanderer11 | Guest10840: use your SSH client's copy capability |
| 21:53.36 | Guest10840 | okay :) |
| 21:53.38 | Guest10840 | ty |
| 21:53.39 | Laidback_01 | atula, you ever looked at Nexenta? If you are just after a storage appliance for handing out all sorts of shares -- an OSOL based system really is the gnat's ass. |
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| 21:54.06 | atula | I will take a look, Laidback_01 thank you |
| 21:54.09 | thewanderer11 | Laidback_01: but Nexenta is not really free now... |
| 21:54.12 | ShapeShifter499 | thewanderer11, oh here then http://pastebin.com/8ezVjZwy |
| 21:54.25 | TMM | just move to ext4 for now, btrfs will be able to convert |
| 21:54.36 | thewanderer11 | TMM: btrfs is unstable :P |
| 21:54.37 | atula | I want a debian install. |
| 21:54.40 | Laidback_01 | thewanderer11, for less than 12Tb it's fine. |
| 21:54.45 | TMM | or lvm/xfs, you can dynamically grow filesystems then too |
| 21:54.51 | thewanderer11 | Laidback_01: but that means it's not GPL |
| 21:55.05 | thewanderer11 | TMM: xfs gives you data loss and being fired :P |
| 21:55.06 | Laidback_01 | atula, well... sure, that's fine, do what you want. |
| 21:55.10 | TMM | thewanderer11, I said 'move to' not now, plus... btrfs isn't unstable now, it's just not feature complete |
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| 21:55.35 | TMM | thewanderer11, xfs does not 'give you dataloss' I run it on hundreds of production servers |
| 21:55.36 | thewanderer11 | TMM: did the "EXPERIMENTAL! UNSTABLE DISK FORMAT" notice disappear? |
| 21:55.37 | Laidback_01 | thewanderer11, ZFS isn't GPL either. |
| 21:55.45 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 21:55.46 | thewanderer11 | Laidback_01: fuse-zfs is |
| 21:55.53 | thewanderer11 | err zfs-fuse |
| 21:55.58 | atula | is there a good article to use pure Debian setup ? |
| 21:55.59 | lenswipe | im helping my friend setup a vps and im getting some kind of perl error when i try and installing anything like PHP or jdk |
| 21:56.03 | lenswipe | http://pastebin.com/ |
| 21:56.05 | lenswipe | somehting like that |
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| 21:56.10 | TMM | thewanderer11, no, zfs-fuse is CDDL |
| 21:56.13 | Laidback_01 | atula, look at debian-administration or something like that. |
| 21:56.15 | lenswipe | can someone provide some assistance or their insight into it? |
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| 21:56.23 | ohmy | hi |
| 21:56.26 | atula | thank you |
| 21:56.29 | atula | will take a read |
| 21:56.35 | thewanderer11 | ShapeShifter499: your machine is using eth0 by default |
| 21:56.52 | TMM | thewanderer11, your vast experience as a Linux admin really shines. |
| 21:57.06 | TMM | thewanderer11, don't go around spouting nonsense and pass it off as truth |
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| 21:57.28 | thewanderer11 | alright, zfs-fuse is in Debian main anyway |
| 21:57.43 | ShapeShifter499 | thewanderer11, seems to be different when my system starts up, because the problem is fixed if I disconnect then reconnect to wifi |
| 21:58.19 | thewanderer11 | ShapeShifter499: I am not sure how NetworkManager handles it, but the order can matter |
| 21:58.21 | TMM | yes, CDDL licensed, not GPL. and it's not very fast. It's slower than ZFS on opensolaris, it's slower than btrfs, xfs and ext4 |
| 21:58.54 | jordanm | lenswipe: I remember you from early on OFTC |
| 21:59.06 | lenswipe | jordan? |
| 21:59.06 | jordanm | lenswipe: you had an issue with POP and IMAP? |
| 21:59.10 | ohmy | still stuck on how to have an USB install media for debian. If any of you can help |
| 21:59.16 | lenswipe | jordanm, did i? |
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| 21:59.23 | lenswipe | guys |
| 21:59.23 | TMM | ohmy, try unetbootin |
| 21:59.25 | lenswipe | heres my pastebin http://pastebin.com/66b3c7is |
| 21:59.29 | lenswipe | thats the pastbin link sorry |
| 21:59.30 | lenswipe | my bad |
| 21:59.34 | lenswipe | can someone take a look at that? |
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| 21:59.54 | ShapeShifter499 | thewanderer11, its not that big of a deal |
| 22:00.02 | ShapeShifter499 | thanks I got to go bye all |
| 22:00.28 | jordanm | lenswipe: sorry, it was a similar name, yours does also look familar though |
| 22:00.33 | lenswipe | hmm |
| 22:00.36 | lenswipe | yours too :/ |
| 22:00.45 | lenswipe | heres the full paste guys |
| 22:00.45 | thewanderer11 | lenswipe: your locales are not installed. `aptitude install locales` then edit /etc/locale.gen, uncomment the locale you need and issue `locale-gen` |
| 22:00.45 | lenswipe | http://pastebin.com/eDdkCrHV |
| 22:00.51 | lenswipe | thewanderer11, see the above paste |
| 22:01.14 | lenswipe | thewanderer11, also i cant use aptitude |
| 22:01.22 | ohmy | TMM, tried it with squeez + lenny netinstall and kde images. Unetbootin menu -> defaut (or expert) and after debian run perfectly. The problem is that after language selection, i had a menu "CD mounting" or something like. It looks like it tries to install debian from CD and not USB ! |
| 22:01.48 | ohmy | TMM, I can't go further in the install since it considers the install being done from CD (i don't know how) |
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| 22:01.54 | TMM | ohmy, ah, guess that unetbootin isn't compatible with debian then :-/ |
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| 22:02.08 | jordanm | lenswipe: is that an attempted lenny->squeeze? |
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| 22:02.15 | ohmy | TMM, maybe :/ |
| 22:02.15 | Laidback_01 | atula, debian-administration.org has a ton of articles about general setup and such. |
| 22:02.19 | lenswipe | jordanm, no its a new vps |
| 22:02.23 | TMM | ohmy, have you seen this page? : http://wiki.debian.org/BootUsb |
| 22:02.33 | jhutchins_lt | Unetbootin works fine with debian, but some people have trouble with it. |
| 22:02.37 | jhutchins_lt | !usb install |
| 22:02.37 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 22:02.44 | thewanderer11 | lenswipe: what kind of VPS? OpenVZ or Xen? |
| 22:03.00 | lenswipe | thewanderer11, i have no idea - its not mine, and the person whos vps is it probly doesnt know |
| 22:03.25 | thewanderer11 | lenswipe: cat /proc/user_beancounters - if it produces sensible results, you're on OpenVZ |
| 22:03.25 | ohmy | TMM, yes i know it |
| 22:03.48 | Guest10840 | http://pastebin.com/kmj6uwnH could someone take a look at that regarding my JDK / JAR problem |
| 22:04.03 | lenswipe | thewanderer11, it produces a sort of table of reslults and numbers and stuff |
| 22:04.06 | lenswipe | idk what they mean though |
| 22:04.25 | atula | in a RAID-1 set up. I have 2 drives for the OS. If I were to partition the drives for niceness purposes (/boot, /var, /home, / etc.) would that make sense as the drives are mirrored anyway? As in, if one drive fail, all my raid arrays are broken for all those partitions where as if I were to have less arrays, only 1 or two arrays would be in trouble. again, it's just 2 drives. Am I making sense? It's so hard to express what I am worried about. |
| 22:04.35 | thewanderer11 | lenswipe: see the "failcnt" column - non-zero values means "you're hitting resource quotas, dude!" |
| 22:04.41 | lenswipe | ok |
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| 22:05.26 | lenswipe | thewanderer11, http://pastebin.com/SCk6Lb58 |
| 22:05.40 | TMM | atula, if you simply make an LVM out of the raid array, you can simply have the data on both drives and one breaking would not interrupt your working at all. |
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| 22:05.42 | Laidback_01 | atula, yeah, makes sense. Listen, when I do that, I usually build a SINGLE raid volume and use lvm over the top of it. |
| 22:05.44 | thewanderer11 | lenswipe: excuse me, but look at what Guest10840 pasted... |
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| 22:06.06 | atula | I see. this is where LVM helps. |
| 22:06.07 | TMM | atula, if you have sata, you can probably even just plug a new drive in while the system is running if one breaks |
| 22:06.16 | babilen | Guest10840: definitely memory problem |
| 22:06.20 | lenswipe | thewanderer11, thats the owner of the vps |
| 22:06.22 | thewanderer11 | atula: it is generally advisable to use md0 for /boot and md1 for LVM (all the rest) or else you have to know how to make GRUB boot from LVM (not very easy) |
| 22:06.49 | jordanm | lenswipe: its not helpful for both to ask |
| 22:06.49 | atula | okay. then using LVM create other partitions for /home etc. |
| 22:06.52 | thewanderer11 | lenswipe: sorry, the output is line-wrapped in that paste |
| 22:07.13 | thewanderer11 | lenswipe: could you save the output to a file and upload it to pastebin instead of pasting? |
| 22:07.19 | Laidback_01 | yeah, true enough, have /dev/md0 and then dual swap partitions, and then a /dev/md1. That's what I do in linux. sorry... been a while. |
| 22:07.28 | Guest10840 | memory problem due to RAM ?? |
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| 22:07.50 | thewanderer11 | Guest10840: we won't know until I get the well-formatted listing from user_beancounters |
| 22:07.55 | jordanm | Guest10840: possibly lack of |
| 22:08.04 | Laidback_01 | the md1 is broken up with lvm and then those logical volumes are formated as whatever necessary for the job at hand |
| 22:08.20 | sphenxes | I have installed postfix on my system (lenny)? How can I know whether postfix is chrooted or not? i have made no changes to the installation |
| 22:08.29 | TMM | atula, best is to create two partitions on both drives in the array, one of 500MB, one of the rest. Then make two softraid devices, one out of the two 500MB partitions and one out of the two others. You will then have two mirrors running on the two drives. Format the smaller one directly as ext2, and make that your /boot then create an lvm physical volume on the other array and make your /home, /var, / filesystems in logical volumes |
| 22:08.30 | thewanderer11 | sphenxes: not chrooted |
| 22:08.44 | sphenxes | thewanderer11, thanks |
| 22:08.55 | TMM | atula, then, if one drive breaks, you only have to copy the partition table over from the still working drive to the new drive, and tell mdadm to resync |
| 22:09.09 | TMM | atula, copying a partition table over is very easy, you can do it with dd |
| 22:09.28 | atula | dd? |
| 22:09.34 | Laidback_01 | yes, but raids never fail. so you won't have to worry about that. |
| 22:09.35 | atula | 500MB for boot? |
| 22:09.35 | lenswipe | thewanderer11, sure |
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| 22:09.46 | atula | someone laughed at me when I said I have more than 100MB for /boot |
| 22:09.48 | atula | hehe |
| 22:09.58 | tehrabbitt-1 | hey guys, any idea how to get the kernel source downloaded for squeeze? |
| 22:10.03 | TMM | atula, no, 100MB is too little, you want to be able to have at least one backup kernel and initrd there |
| 22:10.11 | lenswipe | thewanderer11, http://173.212.227.73/output.txt |
| 22:10.16 | atula | I see |
| 22:10.26 | jhutchins_lt | atula: Mine's about 28M (not a seperate partition). |
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| 22:10.29 | Laidback_01 | I run right around 200mb for boot but then... whatever. It's rare for me to have more than 5 kernels and I avoid initrd like the plague. |
| 22:10.34 | thewanderer11 | lenswipe: run that once again and compare results |
| 22:10.42 | thewanderer11 | lenswipe: there ARE memory allocation errors as of now |
| 22:11.06 | lenswipe | thewanderer11, http://173.212.227.73/output2.txt |
| 22:11.14 | atula | if I were to have 2 other big drives for another RAID-1 inteded to use for the big archive drive... should I add that to LVM as well? |
| 22:11.24 | lenswipe | thewanderer11, for some reason hes installed kde on this thing |
| 22:11.36 | TMM | atula, no, you should make a separate raidset and a separate volume group out of them |
| 22:11.55 | thewanderer11 | lenswipe: no, I mean run the offending command (apt-get or something that triggers this openjdk error) and then show me the output of user_beancounters again |
| 22:12.00 | lenswipe | oh |
| 22:12.05 | lenswipe | ok |
| 22:12.23 | atula | TMM: for that separate array, would it be worth while to have LVM on that RAID set ? |
| 22:12.30 | Laidback_01 | atula, no keep your physical raids on distinctly different LVM setups. |
| 22:12.39 | TMM | atula, you can have more than one volume group, so that's not a problem, but the procedure is largely similar, only this time you make one big partition on the two drives, and make one raid-1 set out of them, then create an lvm volume group in it and create the volumes you need |
| 22:12.47 | tehrabbitt-1 | what's the package for the kernel source? 2.6.32-5-686? |
| 22:13.12 | Laidback_01 | atula, LVM is useful in that it allows you to very easily change your mind in the future. |
| 22:13.28 | TMM | atula, I would personally not use regular partitions for anything anymore. If you want to upgrade to larger drives for instance, it's helpful to have LVM, or if you ever decide to add two more drives. But tastes differ |
| 22:13.33 | Laidback_01 | I just wished that LVM allowed you to oversell your drivespace like zfs |
| 22:13.36 | thewanderer11 | tehrabbitt-1: linux-source-2.6.32 and linux-patch-debian-2.6.32, also read the Debian documentation for info on patches |
| 22:13.55 | foetus | enough for today, im quitting..bye |
| 22:13.57 | atula | indeed. then I should just create a RAId-1 then LVM it... then perhaps in the future if I change my mind and want to separate to more volumes for work/play perhaps |
| 22:13.57 | tehrabbitt-1 | aight thanks |
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| 22:14.45 | thewanderer11 | how to authenticate against OpenLDAP? |
| 22:14.53 | atula | Laidback_01: that makes a lot of sense. I've been trying to understand LVM for the past few days. the last time I was building a server Debian 3.0 was still unstable |
| 22:15.11 | TMM | atula, yes, and say, if you only need 100GB now for your work, you can simply only create a 100GB logical volume for now, until you need more space so you remain flexible. If you combine LVM with XFS you can simply lvextend /dev/mapper/VG-LV -L +200G and then xfs_growfs /mount/point and the space will be instantly available to you |
| 22:15.12 | atula | lots of stuff/concept are new to me |
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| 22:16.17 | TMM | atula, that way you don't lose anything by not deciding NOW how to partition your drives :) it's very useful |
| 22:16.31 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer11: Authenticate WHAT? |
| 22:16.34 | TMM | atula, plus, you could easily make snapshots in the available space if you want to do something particularly tricky |
| 22:16.34 | atula | makes a lot of sense! |
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| 22:16.55 | tehrabbitt-1 | Makefile:127: *** Error: unable to find the sources of your current Linux kernel. Specify KERN_DIR=<directory> and run Make again. Stop. |
| 22:16.55 | tehrabbitt-1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:16.55 | tehrabbitt-1 | Any ideas? |
| 22:17.03 | atula | TMM: if I want to upgrade to bigger drives later (the separate RAId-1)... it would be easier with LVM ? |
| 22:17.10 | thewanderer11 | jhutchins_lt: a daemon? PAM? anything... I just need to know how to bind as a user with password... |
| 22:17.27 | thewanderer11 | tehrabbitt-1: just what were you doing? |
| 22:17.38 | TMM | atula, it would be, you could simply add the new drives, tell LVM to migrate the data over and you can even keep working until it's done :) |
| 22:17.41 | tehrabbitt-1 | tryign to install vbox |
| 22:17.58 | tehrabbitt-1 | and it basically turned around and gave that error |
| 22:18.08 | thewanderer11 | tehrabbitt-1: is it a problem for you to just do `module-assistant auto-install virtualbox-ose` ? |
| 22:18.17 | thewanderer11 | (using non-OSE version? O.o) |
| 22:18.22 | TMM | atula, or keep the old drives and simply add the new raidset to your existing volume group |
| 22:18.28 | tehrabbitt-1 | Don't know the difference :-\ |
| 22:18.28 | atula | awesome. great. thank you so much for your help, everyone. I understand a few things that have been bugging me all week. TMM Laidback_01 thewanderer11 |
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| 22:18.49 | TMM | atula, there's no severe speed penalty for say, having a volume group spanned over two separate mdadm raids |
| 22:18.55 | thewanderer11 | tehrabbitt-1: are you installing VBox from Debian packages, or trying to? |
| 22:18.57 | Laidback_01 | good. my quota for helping one person per month is now filled! |
| 22:19.03 | atula | :) |
| 22:19.05 | TMM | atula, and it would all be transparent too :) |
| 22:19.13 | tehrabbitt-1 | Yes, from a debian package from the sun website |
| 22:19.36 | tehrabbitt-1 | Sun xVM VirtualBox 1.6 |
| 22:19.44 | atula | TMM: wait. you're suggesting that creating an LVM to manage the other RAID "along" with the first RAID as if they were one? |
| 22:19.53 | thewanderer11 | tehrabbitt-1: if you do not need the non-opensource version (yes, this is not free software), just install what comes with Debian: aptitude install virtualbox-ose module-assistant |
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| 22:20.15 | tehrabbitt-1 | Ah |
| 22:20.19 | TMM | atula, no, I wouldn't do that. It's best to keep your important data on separate disks, for if the worst happens and you need to do a rescue operation, you'll know where your data is |
| 22:20.27 | thewanderer11 | tehrabbitt-1: you're on squeeze, right? you might not need m-a on squeeze anyway, virtualbox-dkms should be enough |
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| 22:20.32 | TMM | atula, but if you add more DATA disks, I see no problem with adding them to the same volume group as the other data |
| 22:20.40 | atula | I see. |
| 22:21.03 | tehrabbitt-1 | aight |
| 22:21.04 | thewanderer11 | tehrabbitt-1: s/box-dkms/box-ose-dkms/ |
| 22:21.28 | atula | so if I were to upgrade to 2 bigger drives. it would be... 1) create new raid-1 with bigger drives. add that to the LVM of hte separate data (smaller raid-1) 3) synch data to bigger raid 4) remove smaller raid |
| 22:21.28 | TMM | atula, but this is all largely preference, if you don't care much about that, there's nothing *wrong* with having it all in one big happy vg |
| 22:21.32 | lenswipe | thewanderer11, http://173.212.227.73/output2.txt |
| 22:21.45 | thewanderer11 | lenswipe: you're out of RAM. |
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| 22:22.14 | reisio | some full proof flash on amd64 script somewhere? |
| 22:22.17 | lenswipe | thewanderer11, so telling him to stop using kde would be a good idea yes? |
| 22:22.32 | TMM | atula, yeah, you'd create a new raidset, pvcreate it, add it to the volume group, and then tell lvm that you'd like to remove the old raid array from the volume group. LVM will then migrate the data over to the remaining array |
| 22:22.34 | thewanderer11 | lenswipe: yes, or migrating to a bigger VPS if that is critical |
| 22:22.38 | jordanm | lenswipe: its a vps... is it actually running? |
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| 22:22.45 | lenswipe | jordanm, yes |
| 22:22.54 | jordanm | lenswipe: how does he access it? vnc? |
| 22:22.57 | lenswipe | yes |
| 22:23.07 | lenswipe | jordanm, i know what youre going to say, dont bother ive told him already |
| 22:23.10 | TMM | atula, if you have hot-swap bays and SATA you don't even have to turn off your computer to do it :) |
| 22:23.10 | jordanm | I don't think it would be running unless he has a vnc session open |
| 22:23.33 | atula | TMM: interesting. wow, LVM makes a lot of sense now. |
| 22:23.37 | lenswipe | jordanm, no hes installed KDE and everything and its definatley running |
| 22:23.43 | Laidback_01 | atula, you need to differentiate in your mind the differences drives and lvm. any drive can be manipulated with lvm. /dev/sda, /dev/hda, /dev/md0, etc. LVM is nothing more than advanced partitioning of ANY of those devices. Get used to using LVM on a single drive first. Take a look at createing a PV on just /dev/sdb. then create a VG on it, and then create several lvs on it. Do that to a single drive, and later once you have sorted out Raid mir |
| 22:23.43 | Laidback_01 | roring, you repeat the EXACT steps to partitioning the new device. Only the device names change. |
| 22:23.57 | Laidback_01 | just want you to be clear that LVM has NOTHING to do with Raid. |
| 22:24.02 | jordanm | lenswipe: its not a service, a user has to start it, in his case, he has to login via vnc |
| 22:24.10 | thewanderer11 | jordanm: don't forget KDM and Krfb plus I-can't-guess-how-he-did-it login |
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| 22:24.22 | Laidback_01 | it can work on Raid devices, but is in no way responsible for setting them up, etc. |
| 22:24.29 | lenswipe | jordanm, well explain this - theres no user graphically logged in and konsole is running |
| 22:25.07 | TMM | atula, yes, maybe I wasn't entirely clear on that, you run LVM *on top* of the mdadm raid devices like /dev/md0 |
| 22:25.10 | jordanm | lenswipe: ah, I see. logged into vnc, killed vnc but didn't logoff thus leaving the session open |
| 22:25.42 | atula | yeah I got that part. I guess one last piece of the puzzle is: on a non raid environment, if a drive fail, the whole LVM dies? |
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| 22:26.30 | lenswipe | jordanm, hmm - never the less you must admit that KDE isnt the best thing to install on a remote VPS |
| 22:26.32 | Laidback_01 | if you don't have a complete device, you can having nothing on top of it. |
| 22:26.34 | TMM | atula, yes, if you stripe a volume over multiple single devices, effectively creating a raid-0 device, your data will be toast if a single drive dies |
| 22:26.44 | atula | on a RAID-1 environment, if a drive die then I would at least still have 1 drive to be in that LVM |
| 22:26.49 | lenswipe | jordanm, especially seeing as its plain VNC no SSH tunneling or anything |
| 22:26.54 | lenswipe | just basic plain text auth over 5900 |
| 22:26.58 | atula | I see. so LVM is sort of like a RAId-0? |
| 22:27.05 | Laidback_01 | no, not at all |
| 22:27.16 | atula | no? |
| 22:27.17 | thewanderer11 | lenswipe: yeah, XDMCP would be such a smarter choice... :P |
| 22:27.20 | TMM | atula, yes, if you have a mirror and one drive dies, LVM will be unaffected since it sits on top of mdadm in our scenario |
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| 22:27.22 | Laidback_01 | there is the ability to have lvm stripe over drives |
| 22:27.24 | atula | hmm. but if a drive dies, the LVM goes |
| 22:27.29 | lenswipe | thewanderer11, ....or just learning command line? |
| 22:27.32 | lenswipe | its not that hard |
| 22:27.42 | thewanderer11 | lenswipe: yeah, besides, SSH X forwarding is made for this |
| 22:27.44 | jordanm | lenswipe: right, no graphical environment would be. there are very few GUI administration tools. this is not SUSE and we don't have yast |
| 22:27.57 | jordanm | (thankfully) |
| 22:28.00 | TMM | atula, if you stripe your volumes over multiple single drives, you get essentially 'JBOD' it's not exactly RAID0 as such, but the effect when a single drive fails is similar |
| 22:28.10 | lenswipe | jordanm, he wants it for an RS bot |
| 22:28.24 | thewanderer11 | what exactly is an RS bot? O.o |
| 22:28.26 | Laidback_01 | if you have lvm append on drive to the next to gain greater capacity, then if the "last" drive fails, you should still be able to get the data off the first. but if you ask lvm to stripe the data over the drive to gain performance, then yest, you lost it all when one dies. |
| 22:28.29 | atula | TMM: Laidback_01 but LVM usually doesn't do striping on default ? |
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| 22:28.47 | atula | I dont' want striping of course. |
| 22:29.00 | TMM | atula, if you make a volume group with single-devices, not mdadm raid devices, it will stripe. |
| 22:29.16 | atula | so in normal circumstances, if a drive in LVM dies... only data stored on that drive goes away and LVM still live ? |
| 22:29.23 | Laidback_01 | Defer to TMM here, I'm not sure. |
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| 22:29.36 | Laidback_01 | I assumed that it didn't stripe by default |
| 22:29.42 | jordanm | thewanderer11: appears to be something used to cheat in games |
| 22:29.46 | TMM | atula, but if you make them on TOP of mdadm raid-1 devices the data will remain |
| 22:30.02 | atula | of course, because of the RAID-1's capacity |
| 22:30.06 | atula | ability I mean |
| 22:30.11 | atula | I will have redundancy |
| 22:30.25 | atula | but if there's no RAID for LVM to sit on top... losing a drive means loosing data on that drive |
| 22:30.28 | atula | right? |
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| 22:30.42 | TMM | atula, if you use LVM on top of single devices, and you add multiple devices to a single volume group and a single device dies, chances are you will be unable to recover all your data. |
| 22:30.45 | atula | how doest hat work then? how does LVM know where to place file ? |
| 22:30.47 | jordanm | " We have created the best and undetected RS bots, RS hacks, RS cheats ever known. Every bot is undetectable, working, and features support for randoms." |
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| 22:31.10 | atula | so if a drive dies... how would I know which files went away? |
| 22:31.14 | optocus | hi |
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| 22:31.18 | jordanm | thewanderer11: also, the kind of cheating that effects other players, making the game less enjoyable for all |
| 22:31.21 | atula | that sounds dangerous |
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| 22:31.34 | thewanderer11 | atula: you never know with fragmentation... |
| 22:31.39 | optocus | i want to make /var/www/ available from windows through samba. what is the best approach to do this? |
| 22:31.40 | atula | granted I will be using RAID-1 for all .... it sounds scary |
| 22:31.44 | TMM | atula, you wouldn't, it's just not a good idea... but using LVM on top of RAID-1 mdadm is *not* dangerous |
| 22:31.47 | thewanderer11 | atula: it depends on filesystem used and its layout |
| 22:32.10 | optocus | should i create a user and make /var/www his home directory and then add in smb.conf permission to access user directories? |
| 22:32.12 | atula | I see. but all the LVM docs never mention that LVM is pretty dangerous on single drives |
| 22:32.24 | optocus | or is there a better way? |
| 22:32.45 | thewanderer11 | optocus: you should use "valid users" stanza along with samba passdb to set up the user |
| 22:32.59 | TMM | atula, generally LVM moves from drive to drive, so if you create your VG with two physical drives below it, and you create one logical volume smaller than the first drive, chances are that your data will be on the first drive... but there's no certainty |
| 22:33.13 | thewanderer11 | optocus: you're gonna need a local user anyway or smbpasswd won't work anyway |
| 22:33.35 | optocus | i already have samba configured to share /storage |
| 22:33.50 | atula | TMM: why would people want to use LVM without raid anyway then? is this the same thign as people wanting to use RAID-0 and such ? |
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| 22:34.05 | TMM | atula, yeah, it's for convenience, not security |
| 22:34.15 | thewanderer11 | atula: 2x storage for the same price, you do the math |
| 22:34.55 | atula | I suppose with LVM sitting on my RAID-1 setup, I'm a bit more secured than the condom-less single drives |
| 22:35.10 | thewanderer11 | optocus: then you just add the share to smb.conf and give the user rights (valid users + set up Linux permissions) to use that |
| 22:35.22 | optocus | like this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=290653 |
| 22:35.23 | optocus | ? |
| 22:35.24 | TMM | atula, you will be 100% secure from single drive failures if you build your volume groups on top of raid-1 devices. Don't worry about it :) |
| 22:35.37 | thewanderer11 | atula: hardly anybody is using more than 2 drives in RAID-1 :P |
| 22:35.54 | atula | :) |
| 22:36.17 | jordanm | 3 can be used in a raid1, although not common |
| 22:36.19 | TMM | I had a raid-1 array of 12 devices on my last server, for /boot ;) |
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| 22:36.40 | atula | heee. if I could afford more. I would use a raid-5 |
| 22:36.46 | atula | but I am under the wife's budget ... |
| 22:36.57 | atula | I had to explain to her why we should have a home server for backup |
| 22:37.19 | atula | I'll be using it for print server, web development server and VCS |
| 22:37.44 | atula | DNS |
| 22:38.11 | atula | :P I'm definitely pushing it .. but for only 2 users, I think it's a good enough system |
| 22:38.23 | jhutchins_lt | TMM: Wow, that's a really bad design. |
| 22:38.45 | billy_ | hi folks - question about firewalling - can i control web access of a single app eg. allow a mail client to use pop3 & smpt but block http? |
| 22:38.46 | atula | (2 users for now anyway... who know.. children will learn to use computer correctly when they arrive ) |
| 22:38.57 | Laidback_01 | hmm... yeah, I use opensolaris for that. Have a 19.7Tb server sitting in the basement. Houses all my movies, git repo, various services. Zones are a beautiful thing - nothing even close in the linux world, and for me, ZFS is the last word in filesystems. |
| 22:39.21 | TMM | jhutchins_lt, I had 12 drives in a raid-5 array, and 12x 500MB partitions 'left over' for /boot. It would've worked just fine without it, but it seemed fun at the time :) |
| 22:39.22 | jhutchins_lt | billy_: Usually you block by port and/or address/address range. |
| 22:39.25 | jhutchins_lt | billy_: So yes. |
| 22:39.25 | thewanderer11 | Laidback_01: what do zones do? |
| 22:39.29 | Laidback_01 | client machines are Linux Mint, XP, a debian machine, etc. |
| 22:39.55 | thewanderer11 | billy_: you can not use application-level firewalling in Linux for now, unless you deploy SELinux |
| 22:40.12 | thewanderer11 | Laidback_01: are zones anything like containers in Linux? |
| 22:40.17 | atula | Laidback_01: do you live at work? how come you build such a monster for home usage ? |
| 22:40.30 | atula | 19TB is a lot of pr0n |
| 22:40.35 | jhutchins_lt | TMM: So 5.5 terabytes for a boot partition. Wonder how long fsck took on that! |
| 22:40.54 | TMM | jhutchins_lt, in raid-1... raid-1 it was 500MB |
| 22:41.02 | Laidback_01 | thewanderer11, they are a type of virtualization - much like kvm or linuxvz, shared kernel - eg, all zones are the same version all the time. |
| 22:41.03 | atula | 500MB x12 = 5.5TB ? |
| 22:41.05 | Laidback_01 | http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Community+Group+zones/ |
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| 22:41.11 | jhutchins_lt | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:41.11 | billy_ | jhutchins_lt: thats no good - thewanderer11: that is not documented and has no setup apps available afaik |
| 22:41.17 | TMM | no it was 500MB x 1 :) |
| 22:41.29 | Laidback_01 | thewanderer11, I'll look at containers in linux - I might be wrong... they might have something like zones afterall. |
| 22:41.30 | thewanderer11 | Laidback_01: oh, so it's like OpenVZ, and yeah, we have that too :P |
| 22:41.52 | thewanderer11 | Laidback_01: linux-vserver, OpenVZ and Linux Containers (LXC) are the ones I know |
| 22:42.05 | jordanm | didn't think kvm worked anything like openvz kernels, as it even uses qemu emulation |
| 22:42.16 | jhutchins_lt | billy_: Yes, you can block 80 and allow 143, 109, 110, etc. |
| 22:42.20 | jordanm | and can host non-linux OS's such as windows |
| 22:42.44 | thewanderer11 | jordanm: yeah, OpenVZ is not really virtualization, much like zones, I guess |
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| 22:43.09 | jordanm | thewanderer11: right, I knew that, but someone was throwing KVM into that category as well, which I am almost sure is incorrect |
| 22:43.11 | billy_ | jhutchins: but that applies to all apps - a browser needs 80 email does not |
| 22:43.15 | atula | thank you everyone. |
| 22:43.17 | atula | good night |
| 22:43.21 | Laidback_01 | thewanderer11, yeah, well, still the sweet spot is Virtual machines running in zfs. and cloning. I clone machines, and new ones take up less than 300k of space. so provisioning out new machines for new purposes is really really easy and fast. |
| 22:43.56 | Laidback_01 | it might be possible with lvm and openvz, it's just so advanced in osol that I've settled there. going to have to move eventually though.. osol is on it's way to illumos now. |
| 22:44.37 | thewanderer11 | Laidback_01: I'm doing that with OpenVZ and ZFS :) |
| 22:44.42 | jhutchins_lt | billy_: "eg. allow a mail client to use pop3 & smpt but block http?" Yes, block 80 and allow 110 & 25. |
| 22:45.08 | thewanderer11 | jhutchins_lt: it concerns the whole system, not mail client. we're not on Windows, after all... |
| 22:45.11 | Laidback_01 | thewanderer11, cool, glad there are alternatives out there. |
| 22:45.24 | billy_ | jhutchins: wont that block the browser from http? |
| 22:45.25 | neoice | oh, this IS #debian |
| 22:45.32 | thewanderer11 | billy_: of course it will |
| 22:45.43 | neoice | all the Solaris talk, i thought i was in #nexenta! |
| 22:46.09 | jhutchins_lt | billy_: Well, it would block anythign from using port 80. |
| 22:46.27 | billy_ | thewanderer11: well that is ........ useless IMHO |
| 22:46.39 | jhutchins_lt | billy_: Why would a mail client need to use http? |
| 22:46.45 | Laidback_01 | neoice, yeah, I wander off topic periodically. |
| 22:47.12 | neoice | I wish I could use ZFS in Linux. i really cant give up mpd on my home server |
| 22:47.27 | billy_ | jhutchins: ever got a html email that pulled content from the web? |
| 22:47.46 | jhutchins_lt | Yes, but that's configurable. |
| 22:47.50 | neoice | billy_: most clients have an option to disable that |
| 22:48.01 | Laidback_01 | neoice, thewanderer11 uses zfs-fuse with success... perhaps it'd work for you. You could compile up mpd in osol too... |
| 22:48.10 | neoice | usually "allow html / images" |
| 22:48.24 | Laidback_01 | I use an osol desktop at work with no ill effects. |
| 22:48.33 | neoice | thewanderer11: what kinda throughput do you get with zfs-fuse? |
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| 22:48.48 | jhutchins_lt | billy_: You could probably recompile the client with html disabled. |
| 22:48.51 | thewanderer11 | neoice: I haven't done any benchmarks with this |
| 22:49.02 | Laidback_01 | neoice, that's a loaded question... you need to know what kind of hardware he's working with too. |
| 22:49.02 | neoice | Laidback_01: im a big fan of Nexenta, but their repo doesnt have mpd and theres issues with many of its dependancies |
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| 22:49.17 | thewanderer11 | neoice: StormOS is rebasing on Debian :) |
| 22:49.21 | jhutchins_lt | billy_: I'm not sure if selinux would allow you to block http for a specific app though. |
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| 22:49.30 | billy_ | neoice: i used email as an example - some clients i want to block totally |
| 22:49.45 | jhutchins_lt | billy_: Most of those emails have a "click here to view web page" which would defeat you too. |
| 22:49.58 | xand | I don't know of any software that can do that |
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| 22:50.01 | xand | only on a per-user basid |
| 22:50.03 | xand | *basis |
| 22:50.15 | thewanderer11 | jhutchins_lt: yes, the firewall then fails |
| 22:50.15 | neoice | thewanderer11: is it fast enough that the bottleneck isnt the file system? |
| 22:50.32 | billy_ | jhutchins: email was just an example - i want control over individual apps |
| 22:50.35 | thewanderer11 | neoice: for my uses, yes - give me a way to run a benchmark and I'm so doing that now |
| 22:50.43 | neoice | like can i read at cat5e speed (70Mbit or so) |
| 22:51.03 | neoice | I like my network being the bottleneck. |
| 22:51.13 | zomgbie | what is going on with my tab completion in the bash? this is scary: http://pastie.org/1127788 |
| 22:51.59 | thewanderer11 | zomgbie: PEBKAC or out of memory condition |
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| 22:52.09 | magyar | hi, i have an LTO2 dell scsi tapedrive. When I use a test utility on the drive, to write/read to the drive I get zero errors. When I try to dump with bzlip compression to the drive I get "st0: Write not multiple of tape block size" why? |
| 22:52.13 | jhutchins_lt | billy_: Again, you can recompile the applications with certain features disabled. |
| 22:52.26 | jhutchins_lt | billy_: Standing behind the user with a heavy club might also be effective. |
| 22:52.33 | thewanderer11 | neoice: I have no idea what kind of benchmark to use O.o |
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| 22:53.21 | zomgbie | thewanderer11: i don't see where PEBKAC comes into play here - out of memory condition, how can this happen? and if so which information lets you take the guess? |
| 22:53.22 | billy_ | jhutchins: thanks :) pity zone alarm wasn't ported to Linux |
| 22:54.13 | neoice | thewanderer11: bonnie++ ? |
| 22:54.15 | thewanderer11 | zomgbie: it has happened to me in the past at just this points... |
| 22:54.27 | neoice | thewanderer11: can you do RAIDZ on ZFS-fuse? |
| 22:54.56 | thewanderer11 | neoice: I don't care as long as I am on mdraid |
| 22:55.15 | thewanderer11 | copying 1024MiB takes 21.932s |
| 22:55.27 | Laidback_01 | wow... that's very slow. |
| 22:55.33 | neoice | thewanderer11: ah, I kind of want to do RAIDZ _or_ md |
| 22:55.36 | jhutchins_lt | billy_: Perhaps it is better to figure out the linux way of doing things rather than try to make linux work like windows. |
| 22:55.36 | zomgbie | thewanderer11: ok could this be related? ... ps -p $$ PID TTY TIME CMD |
| 22:55.36 | zomgbie | 19779 pts/0 00:00:01 sh |
| 22:56.02 | thewanderer11 | zomgbie: are you really running sh with bash completion? you're not supposed to do that |
| 22:56.15 | neoice | thewanderer11: so about 40-50Mbit... kinda weak. |
| 22:56.18 | thewanderer11 | neoice: I'm not running RAIDZ now, can't tell |
| 22:56.19 | zomgbie | exactly what i was thinking.. strange setup (not my system!) |
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| 22:56.25 | thewanderer11 | neoice: 50MB/s? hmm... |
| 22:56.27 | jhutchins_lt | billy_: Here is a tutorial on security in linux you might find helpful: http://www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~dranch/LINUX/TrinityOS/cHTML/TrinityOS-c.html |
| 22:56.39 | DeathWolf | hello all, where does one get the kernel-source/headers for the 2.6.32-trunk package? |
| 22:56.45 | DeathWolf | +linux-image |
| 22:56.53 | Laidback_01 | thewanderer11, you should be able to get 200-300 mb/sec for small files like that |
| 22:57.02 | Laidback_01 | how much ram do you have dedicated to the arc? |
| 22:57.03 | thewanderer11 | Laidback_01: checking with my disk now... |
| 22:57.14 | neoice | yeah. RAID5 on md gives me about 150-200Mbit |
| 22:57.15 | billy_ | jhutchins: ok point taken - so how would you manage individual apps as ive outlined? |
| 22:57.17 | thewanderer11 | Laidback_01: you know, I did sync after that |
| 22:57.19 | jhutchins_lt | billy_: You might also look into a content filter at the firewall/router. |
| 22:57.50 | DeathWolf | I'm seeing quite a few recent debian installs with those -trunk linux-image kernels, but I have no idea what are the matching kernel source/include packages. |
| 22:57.59 | zomgbie | thewanderer11: but thx anyways for the pebkac "hint" ;) strange user setup - just changed to the mighty zsh right now :) |
| 22:58.03 | thewanderer11 | time (dd if=/dev/zero of=/spam.bin bs=1024k count=1024; sync) -- 15.8s native (ext3/LVM), 21.93s ZFS, both on same disk and in RAID-1 |
| 22:58.08 | Laidback_01 | thewanderer11, on my local desktop I can pull at a rate of 200mb sec for around 11 seconds and then it'll drop down to around 160mb/sec. this is twin drives. |
| 22:58.25 | billy_ | jhutchins: im not worried about the outside world getting in - im behind a nat router - i want control of apps getting out |
| 22:58.26 | thewanderer11 | Laidback_01: look what I did there - sync |
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| 22:58.51 | thewanderer11 | billy_: applications use syscalls for sockets, you would have to hook on that and modify syscalls |
| 22:59.40 | Laidback_01 | I ran your command on my local desktop |
| 22:59.47 | Laidback_01 | copy paste it exactly |
| 22:59.49 | thewanderer11 | billy_: if you're really worried, run havp which filters Web content with ClamAV (and commercial AV if you condfigure it) and slows down web browsing by 50% |
| 22:59.55 | Laidback_01 | this is how zfs SHOULd work. |
| 23:00.16 | Laidback_01 | http://paste.scsys.co.uk/49638 |
| 23:00.24 | Laidback_01 | well, did change destination dir. |
| 23:00.26 | zomgbie | thewanderer11: regarding ext3/lvm vs zfs - but isn't that a little bit unfair as zfs is much more feature rich than what those 2 amount together (haven zfs yet, didnt even know that there is a debian version available bc. of those licensing issues - oracle and such..) |
| 23:00.40 | billy_ | thewanderer11: thanks for the suggestions - more reading coming up :) |
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| 23:01.19 | thewanderer11 | zomgbie: use whatever fits you - ZFS is fine for me on lightly-loaded servers now |
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| 23:01.52 | thewanderer11 | zomgbie: I wouldn't use ZFS for hi-perf storage now on Linux, for that, we shall wait until the in-kernel ZFS implementation matures |
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| 23:02.14 | Laidback_01 | thewanderer11, if it takes you that long - about 40X longer on your machine vs my mirrored array, I'd say that zfs-fuse is way behind the real zfs. |
| 23:02.50 | thewanderer11 | Laidback_01: or your sync was cheating... :P |
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| 23:03.13 | thewanderer11 | Laidback_01: on real hardware and ext3/LVM it took me 15 sec, mind you |
| 23:03.14 | zomgbie | thewanderer11: what about btrfs, does it come close - can we skip zfs alltogether? |
| 23:03.29 | neoice | btrfs isnt "stable" |
| 23:03.33 | Laidback_01 | this is OSOL, I don't know about how sync works, but I can tell you that for the most part, solaris code tends to be of rather high quality. |
| 23:03.46 | zomgbie | neoice: is zfs on linux? |
| 23:03.47 | thewanderer11 | zomgbie: I'm not touching btrfs right now |
| 23:03.54 | thewanderer11 | zomgbie: through FUSE only |
| 23:03.56 | Laidback_01 | btrfs might come up to zfs quality in a few years. |
| 23:03.56 | neoice | I've been following the btrfs dev mailing list and it doesnt seem like a good idea currently. |
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| 23:04.07 | zomgbie | ah i see i missed the FUSE part |
| 23:04.08 | neoice | not true! there's a Linux-native port in progress |
| 23:04.17 | neoice | its just missing pesky things like "POSIX layer" |
| 23:04.21 | neoice | so you cant actually USE it :P |
| 23:04.24 | thewanderer11 | neoice: I know, but it's in progress, like you said :P |
| 23:04.34 | zomgbie | no wonder it's slower and on that measure it isn't very much slower - cool bench |
| 23:04.47 | neoice | yeah, FUSE eats performance |
| 23:04.51 | thewanderer11 | some |
| 23:05.06 | Laidback_01 | the linux folks have a NIH mentality that'll prevent ZFS from making it kernel level. the license bit is a rather convenient argument I think. |
| 23:05.12 | thewanderer11 | I have no idea about `sync` on Solaris, either - I got repelled by the lack of working keyboard layout last time I used it :P |
| 23:06.15 | nsadmin | Laidback_01: a lot of people have the NIH attitude |
| 23:06.31 | Laidback_01 | thewanderer11, the learning curve for solaris (for me) is significantly more difficult than regular ol' linux, but ... I guess I liked that. Anyway, what I once thought was an old curmudgeon of an O/S turns out to be one the fastest O/S's I've ever used for what I do. |
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| 23:07.00 | Laidback_01 | nsadmin, yeah, I guess. |
| 23:07.37 | thewanderer11 | Laidback_01: that's funny, phoronix benchmarks quote OSOL as one of the slower OS'es, but I guess it still excels at storage :P |
| 23:07.42 | zomgbie | Laidback_01: but aren't solaris man pages much more well written - i'd think so when a company is behind usually "documentation" benefits |
| 23:08.49 | nsadmin | that's not always the case... it depends on the company's agenda |
| 23:08.52 | zomgbie | Laidback_01: or put differently: what was the cause for the higher learning curve |
| 23:08.55 | zomgbie | ? |
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| 23:09.20 | Laidback_01 | yeah, I don't know what to tell you there. Probably there are plenty of areas to improve Solaris, but... it's an Oracle thing now, so I'm eventually going to bail on OSOL when it gets too far behind. |
| 23:09.34 | Laidback_01 | zomgbie, I really can't say. I know that I took to linux like a duck to water |
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| 23:09.50 | nsadmin | what was the cause for you mentioning the learning curve part? what comparison are you making, and then, what are you applying that comparison to? |
| 23:09.56 | zomgbie | nsadmin: to be fair - i've never seen better man pages than in e.g. netbsd so i'd reckon that solaris as a bsd "member" ("mother") would have at least as well written doc |
| 23:09.57 | nutron | I'm confused as I'm starting to play with kvm. in lenny, what qemu do i run to use a kvm enabled guest? the wiki is... somewhat lacking. |
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| 23:10.34 | thewanderer11 | nutron: you use kvm command, not qemu actually |
| 23:10.44 | nsadmin | solaris bsd's mother? actually, I thought bsd came out of Univ of Calif at Berkeley |
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| 23:10.53 | Laidback_01 | then tried freebsd and it was okay, and then Solaris, and was like... man, this is a pain! Oh crap, I'm not trying to cause a problem here. For me it was tougher to to the things I wanted to. perl is a big pain in the ass there because you can't mess with the installed version much -you need to have a locally installed one to work with for example. |
| 23:11.11 | nsadmin | being that BSD stands for Berkeley Standard Distribution |
| 23:11.19 | Laidback_01 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:11.31 | nutron | thewanderer11: ahh, thanks, are the commands the same as I've found on the net? qemu-kvm -m 1024 -usb ... etc? |
| 23:11.34 | neoice | Laidback_01: how do you feel now that OpenSol is getting the shaft? |
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| 23:11.53 | thewanderer11 | nutron: actually, I'm using `kvm` now, so try that, too |
| 23:12.03 | Laidback_01 | it was just learning a new way to do several things which I already knew how to do in various linux distros. |
| 23:12.52 | nutron | thewanderer11: uhh, so kvm -m ... etc? like the qemu-kvm i've been running into via google? |
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| 23:13.31 | thewanderer11 | nutron: options tend to differ between versions, most notably TCP redirects. but other than that, the rest should be OK |
| 23:13.33 | Laidback_01 | neoice, how would you feel if your favorite linux distro closed it's doors? You'd start looking for a suitable replacement. I'm doing the same. To me, debian is the most mature and feature rich of the linuxes. I'm installing FreeBSD 8 as well because it's got 100% complete zfs support - in-kernel, and I really like that. Plus they have jails, and ports is... well an insteresting way to handle pkg mgmt |
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| 23:14.05 | Laidback_01 | So... right now, I'll keep using OSOL for the next few months, maybe years till it falls too far behind to be useful, and then I'll move on. |
| 23:14.10 | thewanderer11 | Laidback_01: you mean the "back to basics, let's compile" attitude? |
| 23:14.36 | zomgbie | nsadmin: yeah which in turn was again bill joy's making so to me "sun os" is nothing than a commercialized bsd - anyways this is a debian channel and i am glad to be here as i like the community and the more "free" spirit as well as debian's bend towards leanness but i just wanted to point out that bsd documentation is usually very well written and therefore should help to pick it up probably more easily than e.g. linux |
| 23:14.58 | zomgbie | (especially from an already advanced *nix users point of view) |
| 23:15.24 | Laidback_01 | thewanderer11, talking about freebsd ports? It's good, and it works, it's just sometimes has it's on dependency hells.. and, it's again a game of familiarity... once familiar with it, I'll probably be fine. |
| 23:15.49 | nutron | thewanderer11: thanks, I'll be trying it. |
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| 23:17.08 | zomgbie | Laidback_01: regarding OSOL -it's just a shame, i don't know why this has to be - oracle could have multiple thriving *nix "ecosystems" - but they seemingly just want to cut costs and to focus. |
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| 23:18.33 | Laidback_01 | zomgbie, Oracle makes money. they do that by making good products. they intend to keep Solaris as their premier O/S. they also have a linux group. they don't have need for two Solaris groups... I understand. I wish they'd destroy mysql though ;) |
| 23:19.05 | Laidback_01 | just making fun, they won't... I'm a Pg user is why I said that. might rankle a few folks for fun ;) |
| 23:19.22 | zomgbie | Laidback_01: *mobstyle* yeah death to mysql! (trollolol) |
| 23:19.43 | zomgbie | Laidback_01: me too pg is just awesome |
| 23:20.26 | zomgbie | but what i've heard mysql has caught up quite a bit in recent years (last time i used mysql was 2005) |
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| 23:20.55 | patriick | :) |
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| 23:21.14 | patriick | what is ssh called in the repositories? |
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| 23:21.20 | zomgbie | anyways g'night peeps |
| 23:21.25 | patriick | aptitude install ssh/openSSH doesn't work |
| 23:21.31 | Laidback_01 | yes, and competition is good. and well, mysql replication is well beyond that of Pg. at least in the 8.x series and below. Pg 9 should be equal to or superior to mysql replication (ease of setup and maintenance). |
| 23:21.49 | Laidback_01 | patriick, apt-cache search ssh |
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| 23:22.24 | Laidback_01 | or apt-cache search ssh | grep server |
| 23:22.55 | themill | patriick: precisely what command did you give and what was the output? (use a pastebin) |
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| 23:23.00 | zomgbie | patriick: forget aptitude use either apt-cache search for searching and apt-get install for installing (either openssh-server or openssh-client) |
| 23:23.18 | patriick | Laidback_01: thanks |
| 23:23.19 | nv7f | question on localhost relay port 8000, it is not relaying why? |
| 23:23.32 | themill | zomgbie: err no... using aptitude is a good habit that we usually try to encourage. |
| 23:23.36 | patriick | themill: i dont have X installed |
| 23:23.54 | Laidback_01 | themill, lol, I still install dselect and use that sometimes |
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| 23:24.08 | zomgbie | themill: i think it's just awful - why the encouragement? (i dont like ncurses) |
| 23:24.22 | patriick | also how do i figure out the local ip of the machine debian is running on |
| 23:24.25 | themill | patriick: /msg dpkg pastebinit |
| 23:24.34 | Laidback_01 | patriick, ifconfig |
| 23:24.40 | patriick | cuz i have severeal other 192.198.xxx.xxx on my network |
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| 23:24.48 | themill | zomgbie: who said anything about ncurses? /msg dpkg why aptitude |
| 23:25.04 | Laidback_01 | patriick, if you are on that machine, just type ifconfig. |
| 23:25.39 | nv7f | streamripper relay port 8000 is not relaying, any ideas? |
| 23:25.49 | patriick | linuxwizard: yah that worked, thanks again. |
| 23:26.44 | patriick | woops |
| 23:26.48 | patriick | Laidback_01: *^ |
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| 23:28.27 | zomgbie | themill: true ncurses was OT and thanks for the hint i might give it a second chance probably dismissed the tool too quickly when i first tried it many years ago - it felt needlessly fancy, just like a gui frontend but in the shell |
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| 23:31.04 | optocus | i want to setup a backup from linux to windows over samba |
| 23:31.21 | optocus | how should i do it? mount the samba partition from windows and rsnapshot there? |
| 23:31.23 | optocus | or what? |
| 23:31.24 | abrotman | just like? it is |
| 23:31.44 | abrotman | optocus: or you can mount from linux using smbclient |
| 23:31.59 | abrotman | erm .. smbmount |
| 23:32.45 | optocus | the windows PC won't be on al the time so i need a way to check every hour or so and if i haven't backed up do it then |
| 23:32.48 | optocus | or something... |
| 23:33.15 | thewanderer11 | optocus: backing up Linux to Windows is a Very Bad Idea - you often won't be able to preserve permissions / owners / ACL or so |
| 23:33.40 | thewanderer11 | optocus: if I were you, I would seriously invest in setting up a VM there for backups |
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| 23:33.58 | optocus | basically i want to backup like this: all my websites from other servers (one with SSH, most with just cpanel) to my home linux box, desktop PC to home linux box, everything on home linux box to desktop PC HDD1 and HDD2 (just in case shit happens) |
| 23:34.04 | neoice | Laidback_01: FreeBSD's ZFS is still only like version 13 though, right? |
| 23:34.05 | Laidback_01 | optocus, take a look at creating a tarball first to preserve your perms and then periodically sending that. take a look at unison or rsync as well. |
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| 23:35.02 | optocus | permissions are not a big deal as these are just work files (though it's cool if i can preserve them) |
| 23:35.09 | neoice | Laidback_01: maybe I should try FreeBSD. I've tried it 3 times, 2 laptops and 1 beige box... each time, I had SEVERE hardware support issues. |
| 23:35.30 | thewanderer11 | optocus: yes, in case you need file attributes (you usually do in backups), then it's only a native POSIX filesystem that you should use for storing that, or tar |
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| 23:35.42 | optocus | then tar it is |
| 23:35.44 | Laidback_01 | neoice, it's getting better. |
| 23:35.59 | patriick | so on debian what port is open by default for me to ssh into locally on another machine on the same network? |
| 23:36.08 | patriick | and how can i change it |
| 23:36.13 | abrotman | 22, like most other distros, man sshd_config |
| 23:36.18 | optocus | til then some other problem.... i changed owner/group of /var/www to www-users and now apache doesn't seem to work |
| 23:36.25 | optocus | i get You don't have permission to access /index.html on this server. |
| 23:36.30 | Laidback_01 | patriick, ssh by default uses 22. change it in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 23:36.37 | thewanderer11 | optocus: read the logs |
| 23:36.38 | optocus | what can i do? |
| 23:36.46 | patriick | Laidback_01: yah i get connection refused |
| 23:36.57 | abrotman | patriick: did you install openssh-server? |
| 23:37.02 | abrotman | is it running? |
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| 23:37.04 | patriick | :(( |
| 23:37.11 | Laidback_01 | patriick, on the box you just installed the ssh server, type /etc/init.d/sshd start |
| 23:37.11 | thewanderer11 | patriick: hint: Debian does not automagically come with SSH server installed, it does not read mind |
| 23:37.24 | optocus | apache logs? or what logs |
| 23:37.25 | optocus | ? |
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| 23:37.37 | thewanderer11 | patriick: although there is a mind-reading program in the repos if you look hard... :P |
| 23:37.46 | thewanderer11 | optocus: yeah, Apache |
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| 23:38.20 | patriick | >_< ok what about setting up keyfiles and and allowing only certian hostnames to login |
| 23:38.33 | abrotman | the keys are done upon install, and again, man sshd_config |
| 23:38.38 | Laidback_01 | neoice, the zfs version used in freebsd is 14 |
| 23:38.39 | optocus | access or error? |
| 23:39.07 | Laidback_01 | which doesn't do deduplication, but still handles compression fine. |
| 23:39.18 | Laidback_01 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:40.02 | ohmy | hi |
| 23:40.10 | optocus | i don't see anything weird in logs |
| 23:40.18 | neoice | Laidback_01: dedup is the only "big" one |
| 23:40.23 | LinuxGuy2009 | I'm thinking of trying out the testing branch for desktop use. I have the lenny DVD set but the packages are a bit too old for me. I've never tried a debian testing branch and was wondering is there some kind of common knowledge to know when a testing branch is ok to start using, like after its frozen or anything like that? Or is it a bad idea to install a testing branch right after a new stable release cause it may or may not be super b |
| 23:40.31 | zomgbie | ha definitely be to blame for that "I see constantly, on forums, IRC and email, the use of apt-get. We need to better educate our brethren and sisters about the proper use of tools, and show them the enlightened way of aptitude." http://pthree.org/2007/08/12/aptitude-vs-apt-get/ |
| 23:40.32 | optocus | i think is because /var/www is a different group now and apache doesn't have access to it anymore |
| 23:40.42 | optocus | what is the default owner and group for /var/www |
| 23:40.43 | optocus | ? |
| 23:40.48 | abrotman | LinuxGuy2009: it's currently frozen, but still has some bugs .. not everything will work 'perfectly' |
| 23:40.55 | xand | optocus: root:root I believe. |
| 23:41.02 | abrotman | zomgbie: i thought you were going to bed? |
| 23:41.06 | neoice | root:root |
| 23:41.16 | neoice | that way if apache gets 0wned, they cant modify your web files |
| 23:41.21 | optocus | i changed to root:www-users |
| 23:41.27 | optocus | shouldn't it still work? |
| 23:41.44 | neoice | depends |
| 23:41.47 | neoice | if its 000, no. |
| 23:42.13 | optocus | 000? |
| 23:42.15 | LinuxGuy2009 | abrotman: If you dont mind me asking do you run testing on your machine(s)? |
| 23:42.29 | zomgbie | abrotman: do i annoy you with obvious stuff is obvious stuff? ;) themill has renewed my interest in aptitude. but thx anyhow :) |
| 23:42.42 | abrotman | LinuxGuy2009: yes (the ones i want to work when i need them too), but i'll wager i've been using debian a lot longer than you :) |
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| 23:43.50 | snowrichard | hello |
| 23:44.03 | snowrichard | finally got my es40 alpha reinstalled |
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| 23:44.17 | Laidback_01 | nice, an alpha user! |
| 23:44.19 | Laidback_01 | that's cool |
| 23:44.21 | snowrichard | but i had to take a break to help move my sister |
| 23:44.40 | LinuxGuy2009 | abrotman: Im sure you have. Ive tried Debian and and off since etch. I'm getting tired of ubuntu making really lame changes and having simple things not working. Lenny feels a bit old so thats whay I was considering Debian testing branch. |
| 23:45.07 | snowrichard | whats the debian social or offtopic channel? |
| 23:45.08 | abrotman | LinuxGuy2009: so try it .. just remember that some bugs remain |
| 23:45.12 | abrotman | snowrichard: /topic |
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| 23:45.31 | Laidback_01 | snowrichard, do you have quad or dual 833s in there or are you using 667s? |
| 23:45.41 | snowrichard | quad 667 |
| 23:46.19 | Laidback_01 | snowrichard, how "fast" is it? I mean, comparatively to x86 hardware, how is it? |
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| 23:46.41 | snowrichard | screams compared to my 686 desktop lol |
| 23:46.47 | optocus | [Tue Feb 22 03:50:42 2011] [error] [client 192.168.0.119] (13)Permission denied: file permissions deny server access: /var/www/index.html |
| 23:46.54 | optocus | i have that in the error.log |
| 23:46.57 | optocus | of apache |
| 23:47.09 | LinuxGuy2009 | abrotman: Would it generally be a true assumption that Debian testing is pretty much 'always' more stable than ubuntu, since ubuntu is based on the unstable branch? |
| 23:47.29 | abrotman | LinuxGuy2009: 95% of the time i'd say so, but i don't use ubuntu .... just the rumor mill |
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| 23:48.27 | zomgbie | will be using aptitude from now on. |
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| 23:48.38 | Laidback_01 | optocus, you need to see which user apache is running as - ps -efw | grep apache |
| 23:48.49 | Laidback_01 | optocus, and then see who owns your files in /var/www |
| 23:49.00 | LinuxGuy2009 | abrotman: Ok I think Ill download the first CD and give it a whirl. If I like it Ill go ahead and download the DVD set. Do they sell any disc sets on the website? If so do they only sell the current stable only? |
| 23:49.22 | Laidback_01 | optocus, and see if the files are set to read (at least) on world and group. |
| 23:49.32 | abrotman | LinuxGuy2009: please use the netinst .. the DVD is a total waste |
| 23:49.54 | zomgbie | the seemingly superior dependency management has me won over. |
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| 23:50.04 | optocus | ps -efw | grep apache |
| 23:50.04 | optocus | root 9124 1 0 01:57 ? 00:00:00 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start |
| 23:50.04 | optocus | www-data 9248 9124 0 02:05 ? 00:00:00 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start |
| 23:50.04 | Laidback_01 | go to /var/www and type : chmod 644 index.html |
| 23:50.18 | Laidback_01 | optocus, so, it's running as www-data |
| 23:50.22 | Laidback_01 | that's stock, good |
| 23:50.27 | optocus | and /var/www is root:www-users |
| 23:50.34 | zomgbie | as the official leeroy jenkins of this channel today, i'll gracefully log off now - need to sleep. good night. |
| 23:50.34 | Laidback_01 | now do an ls -al /var/www/index.html |
| 23:50.48 | Laidback_01 | what are the perms of /var/www? |
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| 23:51.02 | optocus | -rwxrwx--x 1 root www-users 45 2010-01-07 13:30 /var/www/index.html |
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| 23:51.23 | Laidback_01 | optocus, do this. chmod 644 /var/www/index.html |
| 23:51.43 | optocus | shouldn't i do that on all /var/www recursively? |
| 23:51.54 | Laidback_01 | no. |
| 23:51.59 | Laidback_01 | 644 doesn't allow execute |
| 23:52.08 | optocus | now index.html works |
| 23:52.12 | Laidback_01 | so you wouldn't be able to see into the direcotry then |
| 23:52.31 | Laidback_01 | you'd better sort out how file permissions affect use by other applications. |
| 23:52.41 | optocus | Laidback_01: you lost me there |
| 23:52.47 | optocus | let me tel u what i did |
| 23:52.48 | Laidback_01 | apache has it's own permissions system but is still subject to the file system permissions. |
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| 23:53.02 | optocus | i wanted to make /var/www accessible through samba from windows |
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| 23:53.18 | optocus | so following a tutorial i did chown root:www-users |
| 23:53.33 | optocus | and possibly chmod 775 or something |
| 23:53.34 | reisio | anybody else unable to get the video players on mtv.com or comedycentral.com to work with Flash & AMD64? |
| 23:53.49 | Laidback_01 | optocus, a MUCH better way would have been to use subversion or git or some other vcs to handle syncing the directories for you. |
| 23:54.04 | Laidback_01 | I take it you develop websites on windows and host on linux? |
| 23:54.28 | Laidback_01 | you should be doing yourself the favor of using a version control system to handle that. |
| 23:54.30 | optocus | yes. i have a linux home server for torrent, backups and LAMP development |
| 23:54.37 | thewanderer11 | optocus: chown -R www-data:www-data /var/www; chmod -R 0755 /var/www; |
| 23:54.53 | thewanderer11 | ^ this should revert to the default config or so |
| 23:55.12 | Laidback_01 | he's trying to get samba to do r/w sharing of /var/www too.. |
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| 23:55.15 | thewanderer11 | (yes, you lose all owners/perms in that directory, of course) |
| 23:55.45 | optocus | that changed it to default right? like it was before |
| 23:55.47 | optocus | correct? |
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| 23:55.49 | thewanderer11 | Laidback_01: yes, but I assume that working Apache is the priority? :P |
| 23:55.55 | Laidback_01 | optocus, keep in mind that unless you have samba force a user and force a group, you'll have incorrect user:groups in var/www as you create new files |
| 23:56.09 | optocus | it is forcing |
| 23:56.10 | thewanderer11 | optocus: the default = the values that were there at Apache install time |
| 23:56.21 | Laidback_01 | thewanderer11, sure, I've no idea what his setup is. |
| 23:56.32 | optocus | nevermind samba for now |
| 23:56.36 | optocus | i can figure that out later |
| 23:56.42 | thewanderer11 | optocus: NFS is much simpler... :P |
| 23:56.51 | Laidback_01 | version control is the best way |
| 23:57.00 | thewanderer11 | Laidback_01: why force user? |
| 23:57.04 | optocus | i know but i don't want that complexity :) |
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| 23:57.43 | optocus | ok so those 2 commands ( chown -R www-data:www-data /var/www; chmod -R 0755 /var/www;) set up things to default like they were before i messed up with them to make samba work? |
| 23:57.56 | Laidback_01 | because if you don't and samba doesn't run as www-user, it'll put the perms as nobody:nobody as per default to any dir it has write acces too. Or if you auth, it'll put you:yourgroup as perms |
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| 23:58.21 | thewanderer11 | Laidback_01: yes, auth is crucial here |
| 23:58.36 | xand | optocus: no |
| 23:58.43 | optocus | no? |
| 23:58.51 | Laidback_01 | and /var/www is owned by root, group is www-data |
| 23:58.53 | xand | optocus: it's not owned by www-data by default |
| 23:59.10 | thewanderer11 | hm I messed that up, it should have been root:www-data :P |
| 23:59.25 | optocus | chown -R root:www-data /var/www ?? |
| 23:59.30 | optocus | got it |
| 23:59.36 | Laidback_01 | and perms are 755 |
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| 23:59.52 | Laidback_01 | for var www, the files inside are 644 |
