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| 00:00.16 | thewanderer11 | Laidback_01: 1 command is better than 2 if it does no harm :P |
| 00:00.27 | optocus | omg this is like reading hyerogliphs lol |
| 00:00.44 | thewanderer11 | (besides, PHP needs to be executable under suPHP or so) |
| 00:00.45 | optocus | i can have the files have different perm than directories? |
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| 00:00.57 | thewanderer11 | optocus: sure, if you set that this way |
| 00:01.02 | heroxbd | one question on cpu: I have a computer with Intel Xeon E5205, on intel webpages it is said hyperthreading is not supported. but I have "ht" flag in /proc/cpuinfo. why? |
| 00:01.40 | g0tr00t | Hi all, I'm trying to install Guest Additions for a Linux guest and I'm getting this error |
| 00:01.42 | g0tr00t | Makefile:23: *** Error: unable to find the sources of your current Linux kernel. Specify KERN_DIR=<directory> and run Make again.. Stop. |
| 00:01.51 | thewanderer11 | heroxbd: have you made sure that ht flag means HyperThreading? :P |
| 00:02.07 | g0tr00t | I've did a lot of googling and haven't came up with anything |
| 00:02.07 | thewanderer11 | g0tr00t: install kernel headers. |
| 00:02.10 | Laidback_01 | g0tr00t, you need to install the |
| 00:02.13 | Laidback_01 | yeah that |
| 00:02.18 | g0tr00t | What's the syntax ? |
| 00:02.25 | g0tr00t | apt-get install linux-headers ? |
| 00:02.36 | optocus | both files and dires apear "-rwxr-xr-x" respectively "drwxr-xr-x" |
| 00:02.40 | Laidback_01 | might want to search for the right packagename first |
| 00:02.49 | thewanderer11 | g0tr00t: yeah, apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 00:02.56 | optocus | dires=directories |
| 00:03.02 | heroxbd | thewanderer11: oh? let me see... |
| 00:03.36 | thewanderer11 | heroxbd: I have the ht flag set on my CPU even though it's dual-core and I see 2 cores in my system here |
| 00:03.42 | neoice | optocus: if it was me, I'd run `chown -R root:root` and `chmod -R ugo+rX` |
| 00:03.48 | g0tr00t | thewanderer11, thanx |
| 00:03.57 | neoice | the chmod will set read on everything and then execute on directories |
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| 00:04.38 | amphi | ht _is_ hyper-threading, it seems |
| 00:04.50 | optocus | i need to write too from samba. i will add a user to group www-data |
| 00:04.54 | abrotman | amphi: yes, and useless |
| 00:05.33 | neoice | Laidback_01: so if I'm a longtime Debian user, how am I going to react to FreeBSD? I'm pretty embedded in Debian :/ |
| 00:05.35 | amphi | abrotman: yes, seeing as it's there on my c2d |
| 00:06.13 | abrotman | amphi: in most testing, it creates lower benchmarks .. it's gotten better since it first came out, but i think i've turned it off everywhere |
| 00:06.16 | optocus | is "-rwxr-xr-x" default for /var/www ? |
| 00:06.16 | thewanderer11 | amphi, abrotman: core 2 duo here too, but apparently it does not do HT, only pretends to. or is it a market segmentation "feature" by Intel to dumb down the CPU's? |
| 00:06.23 | heroxbd | thewanderer11: oh i need to look at it in detail. thanks thewanderer11. |
| 00:06.29 | abrotman | thewanderer11: some BIOS manufs turn it off before it gets to you |
| 00:06.44 | neoice | optocus: 755 is the default for almost everything (755 = "-rwxr-xr-x") |
| 00:06.44 | optocus | i got it that root:ww-data is default but i didn't understood if "-rwxr-xr-x" is default for perms |
| 00:06.50 | heroxbd | thewanderer11: btw, where can I find ht definition in linux source? |
| 00:07.02 | optocus | neoice: thank you |
| 00:07.09 | thewanderer11 | heroxbd: I have no idea, use a kernel search engine or something |
| 00:07.14 | amphi | thewanderer11: dunno - perhaps they just forgot to take it out ;) |
| 00:07.22 | heroxbd | thewanderer11: ok |
| 00:07.44 | thewanderer11 | amphi: L7400 is listed on intel.com as not supporting HT, but Linux lists the ht flag :P |
| 00:08.39 | thewanderer11 | perhaps the Core 2 just likes to boast... |
| 00:08.51 | abrotman | or ask ##hardware |
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| 00:09.25 | heroxbd | abrotman: thX :) |
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| 00:09.53 | optocus | what's octal for rwxrwxr-x ? (so i have group write perm) ? |
| 00:09.57 | amphi | thewanderer11: I've been cheated, my c2d does not have smx â Safer mode :( |
| 00:10.28 | optocus | also, is it ok to have execute for everybody? |
| 00:10.29 | thewanderer11 | optocus: http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
| 00:10.39 | optocus | thewanderer11: thank you |
| 00:11.41 | abrotman | amphi: you sure it's not your BIOS? |
| 00:15.45 | optocus | thewanderer11: i still don't get it how i make a rwxrwxr-x into the numeric form? |
| 00:16.12 | thewanderer11 | optocus: it's in the Human-readable form section |
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| 00:16.46 | optocus | yes i read |
| 00:17.21 | optocus | but why is "rwx means 7 to owner"... is there a formula or something? |
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| 00:17.29 | Cisien | bits! |
| 00:17.30 | optocus | is this a 3 digit bitmask? |
| 00:17.33 | Cisien | yes |
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| 00:17.45 | optocus | that sucks... lol |
| 00:17.55 | optocus | taking paper and pencil |
| 00:17.58 | thewanderer11 | it was described in the howto :P |
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| 00:18.15 | thewanderer11 | there are actually calculators for this stuff online |
| 00:18.29 | thewanderer11 | but why worry when you can use octal modes and forget about letters? |
| 00:18.34 | optocus | i'd like to be able to do it mentaly :) |
| 00:18.50 | Cisien | read has a value of 4, write a value of 2, and execute a value of 1, (in the decimal world), so just combine and you have your value |
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| 00:20.22 | optocus | so i add them up? |
| 00:20.28 | Cisien | yes |
| 00:20.46 | optocus | rw = 6, rx = 5, rwx = 7 ? |
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| 00:20.53 | optocus | oh man this is easy :) |
| 00:20.55 | Cisien | yeah |
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| 00:20.59 | optocus | cool |
| 00:21.08 | deSt0ne | is there a way to make the CLI in portrait mode on a monitor? |
| 00:21.17 | deSt0ne | not in x |
| 00:21.29 | thewanderer11 | deSt0ne: you'd have to use a framebuffer, I once read about that |
| 00:21.56 | deSt0ne | wanting to have a ircle console up in portrait |
| 00:22.13 | optocus | so... rwxrwxr-x = 775 ? |
| 00:22.16 | optocus | right? |
| 00:22.22 | Knorrie | yes |
| 00:23.02 | deSt0ne | sorry |
| 00:23.03 | deSt0ne | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:23.05 | deSt0ne | i meant |
| 00:23.16 | patriick | BTW i failed at switching windows in debian console :( |
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| 00:23.32 | thewanderer11 | deSt0ne: http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/fb/fbcon.txt |
| 00:24.20 | rita | hey, I'm trying to install debian from my flash drive, but I get a kernel mismatch error and it won't load the lvm module, what's wrong? |
| 00:24.33 | deSt0ne | thewanderer11: thanks |
| 00:24.41 | thewanderer11 | rita: what it says - the kernel doesn't match module versions |
| 00:25.02 | thewanderer11 | rita: please use stable installer with stable ISOs and testing installers... with extreme care :P |
| 00:25.24 | rita | um, I can't tell you exactly what it says, but I made sure I was using the boot.img.gz from testing |
| 00:25.38 | rita | i want to install testing, so i was using the testing netinstall image |
| 00:26.24 | thewanderer11 | rita: then there's a kernel version mismatch and you have to inspect that |
| 00:26.39 | nsadmin | rita: you could try all stable but just install the base only... then upgrade to squeeze |
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| 00:27.04 | rita | what do you mean thewanderer11 |
| 00:28.18 | optocus | isn't apache supposed to appear at "grep www /etc/group" |
| 00:28.21 | optocus | ? |
| 00:28.44 | Knorrie | yes it is |
| 00:28.45 | optocus | i mean since it is in www-data group |
| 00:28.54 | optocus | it does not... |
| 00:29.21 | thewanderer11 | optocus: there is no "apache" user :P |
| 00:29.24 | Nai-ux | how might i update my sources to reflect my kernel version? for example i have 2.6.26-2 files showing in my search results but i have kernel 2.6.28-1. |
| 00:29.27 | optocus | ah |
| 00:29.28 | optocus | lol |
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| 00:29.50 | optocus | apache is running as root? or what user is it? |
| 00:29.53 | nevyn | Nai-ux: how did you get kernel 2.6.28-1? |
| 00:29.56 | thewanderer11 | optocus: www-data |
| 00:30.00 | optocus | ok |
| 00:30.06 | Knorrie | it's the user you see when grepping that |
| 00:30.10 | Nai-ux | nevyn, i had to use a custom debian build for a network driver, and that is the kernel it came with |
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| 00:30.25 | thewanderer11 | Nai-ux: then you should have a deb installed with that |
| 00:30.36 | nevyn | Nai-ux: dpkg -l linux-image* |
| 00:30.43 | thewanderer11 | Nai-ux: and you won't find that kernel in the repos, usually |
| 00:31.10 | Knorrie | not even unusually, it won't be there |
| 00:31.15 | Nai-ux | i need to get a file called "lzma-modules-2.6.28-1-686....." in the list i only see 2.6.26 |
| 00:31.33 | optocus | is there a "force user" directive for samba? or just "force group" ? |
| 00:31.47 | nevyn | Nai-ux: install module-assistant |
| 00:31.48 | thewanderer11 | Nai-ux: this is not a standard Debian kernels, you have to get that (compile) on your own |
| 00:31.54 | nevyn | !m-a |
| 00:31.54 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and install them. "aptitude install module-assistant". See usage examples at http://wiki.debian.org/ModuleAssistant . Log files from successful (and unsuccessful!) builds can be found in /var/cache/modass/ |
| 00:32.22 | Nai-ux | nevyn, it says linux-image, linux-image-2.6, linux-image.2.6-686, linux-image-2.6.28-1-686 |
| 00:32.29 | Knorrie | nevyn: then (s)he needs to have the source, which is not available |
| 00:32.49 | Nai-ux | thewanderer11: i have to compile that lzma-modules* myself? |
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| 00:32.55 | thewanderer11 | optocus: Google knows about it => it exists |
| 00:33.27 | thewanderer11 | Nai-ux: according to dpkg's hint about module-assistant, but still, there are no precompiled modules for this kernel version |
| 00:33.48 | thewanderer11 | m-a makes this easy if you have the headers / sources |
| 00:33.52 | Nai-ux | module-assistant is already the newest version. |
| 00:34.08 | Nai-ux | ok thx |
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| 00:35.27 | optocus | u might laugh at this, but i am honest. linux gets me dizzy :) |
| 00:35.44 | Nai-ux | i think i'll just code that **** in a virtual machine, will save me a week of time |
| 00:35.47 | optocus | my neurons get twisted and mixed and they scream of pain |
| 00:36.28 | Knorrie | optocus: enjoy |
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| 00:36.48 | Knorrie | it's just the beginning :D |
| 00:37.30 | nevyn | Knorrie: should just need the headers |
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| 00:38.12 | Knorrie | nevyn: still have to get them somewhere.. perhaps there's a matching one in snapshots |
| 00:38.24 | optocus | ok i got both apache and the samba share working and i even understood the why and how behind with your help |
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| 00:38.35 | Knorrie | optocus: nice |
| 00:38.37 | optocus | as opposed to what i do normally - just copy a tutorial |
| 00:38.42 | optocus | so thanks a lot guys |
| 00:38.51 | optocus | (and maybe girls?!) |
| 00:39.12 | Knorrie | looks away |
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| 00:39.39 | optocus | looks at Knorrie |
| 00:40.13 | Knorrie | hides |
| 00:40.29 | optocus | is confused |
| 00:40.50 | optocus | goes to have a smoke and chill a bit |
| 00:40.55 | Knorrie | hf |
| 00:42.24 | DeathWolf | so would anyone know where to find the kernel source/includes for those trunk kernels? |
| 00:43.05 | abrotman | DeathWolf: -trunk- ? |
| 00:43.30 | DeathWolf | no such packages here, there's a linux-image-2.6.32-trunk but none that are linux-headers*trunk or |
| 00:43.33 | DeathWolf | similar |
| 00:44.23 | DeathWolf | I can't even find those trunk builds on packages.debian.org, but they definitely came from vanilla debian installs |
| 00:44.24 | abrotman | right, that kernel is *extremely* out of date |
| 00:44.31 | Knorrie | DeathWolf: http://snapshot.debian.org/package/linux-2.6/2.6.28-1/ |
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| 00:44.32 | abrotman | DeathWolf: what is your actual 'uname -r' |
| 00:44.44 | abrotman | oh god .. do NOT use a -trunk- kernel |
| 00:44.53 | DeathWolf | not my station, I just came upon it |
| 00:44.58 | thewanderer11 | abrotman: they are fresh for a week or two :P |
| 00:45.00 | DeathWolf | it was installed with squeeze or whatever. |
| 00:45.08 | abrotman | thewanderer11: NO THEY ARE NOT |
| 00:45.12 | abrotman | DeathWolf: what is uname -r ? |
| 00:45.19 | DeathWolf | also 2.6.28?... that's antic |
| 00:45.23 | DeathWolf | 2.6.32-trunk-amd64 |
| 00:45.32 | thewanderer11 | ,kernels |
| 00:45.34 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.35-trunk-686 (2.6.35-1~experimental.2); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-21); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-20); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-20~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-24lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 00:45.38 | thewanderer11 | ^ get that 2.6.32 now |
| 00:45.41 | abrotman | DeathWolf: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-amd64 .. reboot, choose the -5- kernel, remove the -trunk- kernel |
| 00:45.46 | abrotman | thewanderer11: just be quiet |
| 00:46.40 | DeathWolf | abrotman: well the -5 is installed |
| 00:46.41 | DeathWolf | boots up |
| 00:46.58 | DeathWolf | but when it comes to gdm it freezes pretty badly |
| 00:46.58 | DeathWolf | (note: nvidia crap might be involved) |
| 00:47.11 | abrotman | DeathWolf: then that's the one you sohuld be using, that -trunk- should be removed .. the -trunk- is *very* insecure, it's about four months old i'd guess |
| 00:47.31 | DeathWolf | The -trunk boots, that's what the user told me:) I just came on this machine. |
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| 00:47.39 | DeathWolf | (but the -5 crashes at gdm, which I've just confirmed) |
| 00:47.46 | optocus | whats the best way to make automated incremental backups of sites where i don't have ssh but just cpanel (for files,databases and email)? |
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| 00:48.10 | Knorrie | optocus: there's no way |
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| 00:48.39 | Knorrie | (besides hell) |
| 00:48.39 | thewanderer11 | optocus: ask the server admin to set up a backup cronjob for you, they sometimes will |
| 00:48.56 | optocus | what would that imply? |
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| 00:49.06 | optocus | they would need ssh to my box? |
| 00:49.20 | abrotman | DeathWolf: is nvidia involved or not? |
| 00:49.20 | Knorrie | hell no you would not allow tha |
| 00:49.24 | thewanderer11 | optocus: or use rsync or any other means of data transfer |
| 00:49.30 | optocus | ok |
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| 00:49.40 | DeathWolf | currently trying to see if it boots with gdm disabled |
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| 00:49.51 | thewanderer11 | optocus: that won't be possible without shell anyway |
| 00:50.00 | optocus | ok |
| 00:50.01 | DeathWolf | (ie if I should blame X) |
| 00:50.04 | optocus | ill ask them |
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| 00:50.15 | Knorrie | DeathWolf: blame nvidia |
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| 00:50.33 | DeathWolf | always is a good bet Knorrie;) |
| 00:50.40 | Knorrie | :) |
| 00:50.51 | Knorrie | but they will ignore the blame |
| 00:51.18 | DeathWolf | mmm, update-rc.d goes using dependency based boot sequencing, any new method to say, disable gdm? |
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| 00:51.26 | nsadmin | then blame the ignorance! |
| 00:51.27 | DeathWolf | (and/or X) |
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| 00:51.47 | Knorrie | just blame whoever blames ignorance |
| 00:52.20 | abrotman | !nodm |
| 00:52.20 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm slim". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console. |
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| 01:09.06 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 01:09.07 | dpkg | <Cyph_> i'm stoned, but the segfaults are real abrotman |
| 01:09.12 | abrotman | why all the time!? |
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| 01:10.21 | jordanm | abrotman: eh? |
| 01:10.56 | abrotman | that one comes up a lot |
| 01:11.16 | jordanm | i had never seen it |
| 01:11.26 | jordanm | or recall seeing it.. have seen many |
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| 01:41.00 | lelle | hi im trying debian cli live cd and i need to use the alt key to insert &, to start x same time as xterm and a window manager... but when i press alt it makes the last line go (arg: #), so how do i change the (arg :#) to something else? |
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| 01:42.54 | macrobat | my '&' is on shift 6 |
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| 01:44.33 | macrobat | to get a keyboard map, you can edit /etc/locale.gen and run locale-gen |
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| 01:46.15 | xiangfu | do I need add "libc" "libm" to debian/control:"Build-Depends" ?? |
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| 01:49.57 | lelle | how install a specific locale? only needs swedish |
| 01:50.25 | lelle | already had it hmm |
| 01:50.27 | abrotman | lelle: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 01:51.18 | lelle | command no found |
| 01:52.06 | macrobat | lelle: as root? |
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| 01:55.58 | lelle | wtf |
| 01:56.57 | Cain | Hi, i want to run a specific shell script once everday at 01h00 am so crontab -e and i add the following line : * 1 * * * /Path/To/Script >> /Path/To/Script/Log 2>&1 but the script keep running & running after 01h00 am : what's wrong with my crontab line ? |
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| 02:02.29 | lelle | i downloaded gnome-schedule and tried to configure it run everyday 04.03 so lets se if it works lol |
| 02:03.16 | lelle | oooohh 10 seconds left |
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| 02:03.26 | lelle | wicked |
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| 02:04.55 | lelle | where is the cron config? |
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| 02:05.18 | thepro4ever | hey, i'm reading some instructions for setting up a driver and it says "export CXX=CC |
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| 02:05.39 | thepro4ever | but when I do "which CC" i don't have a CC on my system |
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| 02:06.06 | mutable_malachi | dpkg: lenny to squeeze |
| 02:06.06 | dpkg | mutable_malachi: i don't know |
| 02:06.23 | mutable_malachi | dpkg: lenny->squeeze |
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| 02:06.23 | dpkg | Ask me about <squeeze udev>, as you will need to upgrade to the squeeze kernel and reboot first. Remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile) or bpo, then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude linux-image-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` ; reboot; aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>, <squeeze release notes>. |
| 02:07.24 | lelle | cain try 0 1 * * * ** * et |
| 02:08.28 | lelle | nvm |
| 02:08.34 | Cain | lelle : i'll copy the script in /etc/cron.daily :) |
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| 02:09.52 | lelle | make a script that does that and one second later ends it lmao |
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| 02:10.41 | cga | hi all, is there a workaround on lenny to install sympa? lenny's version is bugged adn it fails on DB creation. i've searched debian's bugtracker and the fixes apply on in sid but i can't apt-pin to that in production server. thanks |
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| 02:12.54 | lelle | change repository or download the deb from somewhere maybe |
| 02:13.19 | jim--- | I've got a broken linux-image package pending, I want to cancel the operation and put a hold on the current version of that package. Is "aptitude keep-all" what I want? |
| 02:13.24 | cga | lelle: i found none so far |
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| 02:13.55 | abrotman | !ssb |
| 02:13.55 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <backports.org>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list 2) enable backports.org (see <bpo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 02:14.06 | lelle | i use ubuntu 10.04 and it has it lolz |
| 02:14.18 | cmecca | hey all -- just wondering if anyone could help me setup twinview for dual head in squeeze.. having some trouble finding the right docs |
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| 02:14.40 | cga | thanks abrotman, |
| 02:14.46 | cmecca | its an nvidia geforce 6200LE and im running the 'nv' driver. |
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| 02:15.52 | naildownx | hey guyz, I have never had this issue before...but now when I install compiz-fusion on debian, I cannot figure out how to make it have 4 workspaces :) |
| 02:17.08 | cga | abrotman: i supppose that using that procedure for a newer version from sid-src it's counted as a normal package and when there will be a newer version update , apt-get will update it to official, right? |
| 02:17.34 | abrotman | ah, no |
| 02:17.39 | cga | arf |
| 02:17.47 | lelle | is there a gui to install livecd to harddrive? maybe i can use whatever ubuntus using whatever its name is |
| 02:18.07 | cga | lelle: debian installer is not good enough? |
| 02:18.30 | abrotman | lelle: no |
| 02:18.40 | abrotman | lelle: use the netinst, be done with it |
| 02:19.29 | lelle | i want a live cd at the same time so no need 2 different versions.. |
| 02:19.35 | jim--- | aptitude's manpage says appending "=" to a package name should cancel and current upgrades and then put the package on hold. However, when I do it, aptitude still wants to configure the pending package. |
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| 02:19.45 | jim--- | How do I cancel installation of *all* partially-configured packages? |
| 02:19.48 | lelle | but debian installer prob works |
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| 02:28.24 | lelle | anyone know how to start fbdev? |
| 02:28.36 | lelle | X -fb |
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| 02:28.41 | lelle | opps wrong window |
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| 02:32.25 | bacher | I was trying to edit out some clips from a video and save them as mp4's using avidemux. It worked fine yesterday, but today it just hangs up and takes up about 90-100% of the cpu. Then I noticed that I had run out of HDD space, so I did a search for large files and found that my ~/.xsession-errors file was over 8 gigabytes! I tried to open it to see what the errors avidemux was flooding the file with were, but gedit claims it can't rea |
| 02:32.25 | bacher | d it. |
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| 02:33.09 | bacher | Does anyone have any idea what the heck is going or what I should do? I would like to be able to save the clips in mp4 format and until today avidemux was working very well. |
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| 02:38.41 | Dagger2 | less and tail should help you with looking at ~/.xsession-errors |
| 02:38.57 | Dagger2 | (I can't help you with your actual problem though) |
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| 02:43.26 | Cisien | any idea why i get 'ioctl: No buffer space available' when trying to bring up a ipv6 in v4 tunnel (sixxs). I'm using an interface that doesn't already exist (in ifconfig -a) |
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| 02:44.41 | Gm4n | So my lenny fileserver has been pretty badly hacked and I'm thinking I may as well upgrade to squeeze. Can anyone help me understand the erratta better for the alpha 1 installer? |
| 02:44.54 | bacher | Well, here's another problem: I deleted the mammoth ~/.xsession-errors file to free up space, but the hard drive still reports being full. |
| 02:44.54 | Gm4n | s/erratta/errata/ |
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| 02:45.46 | Cisien | bacher, e2fsck? |
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| 02:46.52 | moldovean | Gm4n, wants reinstalling or upgrade ? |
| 02:47.32 | Gm4n | well, I need to clean out my uninvited guests from the republic of macedonia, so definitely reinstall |
| 02:47.35 | bacher | I've never used that program before. Could you be a little more specific, Cisien? |
| 02:47.36 | moldovean | both wont work .. |
| 02:49.11 | Gm4n | both what? both upgrade and reinstall? By upgrade, I meant that squeeze is newer than lenny (not that I was keeping the data on my root filesystem) |
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| 02:50.01 | moldovean | i386 ? |
| 02:50.39 | Gm4n | yep |
| 02:50.43 | moldovean | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 02:50.52 | Gm4n | I'm not having an issue finding the download links |
| 02:51.08 | moldovean | me yes .. |
| 02:51.19 | Gm4n | the debian page says "we recommend you use the squeeze Alpha1 release of the installer, after checking its errata". I'm trying to understand the errata ;) |
| 02:51.30 | abrotman | Gm4n: that's wrong |
| 02:51.42 | moldovean | Gm4n, forget this |
| 02:51.46 | abrotman | or outdated at any rate |
| 02:52.15 | Gm4n | the box has guests from macedonia on it. And squeeze's netatalk has ssl built in (so I don't have to compile my own) |
| 02:53.00 | Gm4n | I'm just worried because the entire purpose of this thing is a software raid5, and the errata talks about corrupting raid data. I just want someone to tell me it's ok before I hit go :P |
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| 02:54.55 | tharkun | greycat, beardy: about the beep problem. After several hours of debugging, The problem was the window manager. That was why the xset b off did not work at all. Thx a lot for your time and effort |
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| 02:56.07 | Gm4n | abrotman: I shouldn't have to worry about the raid5, right? The root filesystem is a single hard drive. |
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| 02:58.56 | abrotman | Gm4n: you can't do raid5 with one HDD |
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| 02:59.07 | ScottG | I deleted some files by accident but when I try to use aptitude to isntall the package that has them they are not reinstalled. How do I make aptitude install the files |
| 02:59.10 | ScottG | ? |
| 02:59.34 | abrotman | ScottG: from where? |
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| 03:00.06 | ScottG | abrotman: I deleted some libraries. I know what package contains those files, but when I do an aptitude install the files are still not there |
| 03:00.34 | abrotman | ScottG: which libraries? which files? |
| 03:01.15 | ScottG | abrotman: Why does that matter? They are some gtk libraries. The files are in the package libgtk2.0-0 |
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| 03:02.14 | abrotman | because you might have the wrong package |
| 03:02.25 | ScottG | abrotman: No, I checked with apt-file |
| 03:02.36 | abrotman | did you apt-file update first? |
| 03:02.59 | ScottG | Nope |
| 03:03.14 | abrotman | it's possible the package has changed |
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| 03:05.16 | ScottG | abrotman: From what I explained that I did, should that have placed the packages in the directory? |
| 03:05.27 | lelle | is there a debian live squeeze 6.0 out yet? |
| 03:05.33 | abrotman | notreleased |
| 03:05.35 | lelle | all i can find is from july 20th |
| 03:05.38 | lelle | ok |
| 03:05.38 | abrotman | there is no debian 6.0 yet |
| 03:05.50 | abrotman | ScottG: only if that package contains that package and it's not a conf file |
| 03:05.56 | lelle | ok |
| 03:07.56 | abrotman | waves |
| 03:08.53 | lelle | how to start X and Eterm at the same time? X && Eterm & doesnt work |
| 03:09.00 | lelle | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:09.31 | ScottG | abchirk: Still no good |
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| 03:09.42 | MrFrood | lelle: use a .xinitrc file |
| 03:09.42 | ScottG | abchirk: Ignore that. |
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| 03:09.45 | naildownx | is there a way to install emerald on squeeze? |
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| 03:13.45 | lelle | any way to init .xinitrc without rebooting? |
| 03:14.44 | moldovean | startx |
| 03:14.48 | ScottG | How do I forcibly remove a package? Meaning that it doesn't check for what it will break but just removes the fles installed |
| 03:15.01 | ScottG | files* |
| 03:15.20 | moldovean | aptitude purge packagename |
| 03:15.39 | ScottG | moldovean: I thought purge just had to do with removing config files? |
| 03:16.03 | moldovean | all + config |
| 03:16.28 | ScottG | moldovean: Yea, I'd actually rather NOT remove config files if I could. I just want to force a normal remove |
| 03:17.23 | moldovean | ScottG, anyways your system seems be in bad shape .. |
| 03:17.39 | ScottG | moldovean: It isn't... |
| 03:17.48 | moldovean | save your data, and reinstall |
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| 03:18.03 | ScottG | rofl you are a nut |
| 03:18.09 | moldovean | !reinstall |
| 03:18.10 | dpkg | [reinstall] aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone> <debian clone> |
| 03:18.12 | lelle | finally it happened... windows has started to spread.. hehe |
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| 03:19.45 | moldovean | ScottG, see , experiments costs .. |
| 03:20.01 | ScottG | moldovean: I have no idea what you're talking about |
| 03:20.32 | lelle | how to start .xinitrc without reboot? doesnt work when i start x with X |
| 03:21.04 | MrFrood | lelle: pastbin your xinitrc |
| 03:21.14 | moldovean | ScottG, sure , you know just deleting libraries by hands .. |
| 03:21.39 | ScottG | moldovean: Was an accident. I meant to delete a link i created |
| 03:21.39 | lelle | its just #! /bin/sh and second line the window manager and thirt Eterm |
| 03:21.43 | lelle | third* |
| 03:22.15 | MrFrood | lelle: try |
| 03:22.15 | maurizio | lelle: you should not start x with X but with "startx" |
| 03:22.26 | lelle | command not found |
| 03:22.55 | MrFrood | lelle: (sleep 5 && whaterver-your-terminal-command-is) & |
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| 03:23.45 | MrFrood | lelle: and make sure your xinitrc is executable |
| 03:24.07 | moldovean | lelle, install : xinit |
| 03:24.08 | lelle | it started x but nothing |
| 03:24.16 | lelle | how ? exutable |
| 03:24.19 | lelle | mmkay |
| 03:24.21 | lelle | exec** |
| 03:24.29 | ScottG | moldovean: Just used rdiff-backup to restore from a backup from last night |
| 03:24.39 | lelle | yay xinit worked |
| 03:24.56 | moldovean | ScottG, ok |
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| 03:25.19 | lelle | so to automatically start xinitrc when i turn on computer i change .bashrc to start xinit right? |
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| 03:28.56 | CJoerun | is anybody familiar with debian know why SquirrelMail drops so many connections when searching through emails? I constantly get "ERROR: Connection dropped by IMAP server." |
| 03:29.10 | lelle | now i can automatically start tiny wm blauehh |
| 03:29.17 | lelle | cant* |
| 03:29.26 | lelle | why cant and can so close to eachother |
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| 03:31.30 | lelle | or would that start x every time i open a terminal? |
| 03:32.14 | hacker_kid | what would be the best way to backup and restore a system without needing physical access, the backup can be stored locally, normally i would just use a vm but i cant afford the overhead |
| 03:33.30 | ScottG | hacker_kid: Not sure what you mean. You can do about anything without physical access with ssh |
| 03:34.33 | hacker_kid | i understand but i was looking for something automated to restore a system to its previous state |
| 03:34.47 | hacker_kid | ScottG, ^^ |
| 03:35.01 | ScottG | hacker_kid: Well I recently started using rdiff-backup and it has been really simple so far |
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| 03:35.39 | hacker_kid | ScottG, ty |
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| 03:39.38 | patriick | how do i restart sshd |
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| 03:40.07 | ScottG | service sshd restart |
| 03:40.14 | tharkun | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:40.37 | ScottG | tharkun: Which? |
| 03:40.38 | tharkun | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:40.39 | patriick | neither of those have worked for me on a fresh install of debian; bash says service is not a command |
| 03:40.50 | ScottG | sudo? |
| 03:40.58 | madi | hi! i'm in trouble with debian squeeze: i lost the nvidia drivers (my fault), now i don't have the graphical interface anymore , neither the network to install vesa again |
| 03:41.02 | tharkun | ScottG: obviously as root |
| 03:41.31 | tharkun | !tell madi about nvidia |
| 03:41.33 | madi | because the wireless network needs login in the browser |
| 03:41.48 | tharkun | madi: man iwconfig |
| 03:41.51 | patriick | ahh it worked :) /etc/init.d/ssh worked |
| 03:42.04 | patriick | and it wasn't cuz of sudo, i dont have that configured :P |
| 03:42.40 | ScottG | tharkun: Yea, I just meant why did you do it like that instead of using service |
| 03:43.05 | tharkun | ScottG: Because i have never installed the systemv package :) |
| 03:43.09 | madi | tharkun, the problem is that the network need the browser to login, and i don't have a monitor to start iceweasel |
| 03:43.36 | tharkun | madi: install w3m it should also work |
| 03:43.49 | tharkun | it is a console based browser |
| 03:43.50 | ScottG | tharkun: Thought it was a base instal thing |
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| 03:44.35 | tharkun | It used to be installed separetely, it has become a habit so i am not really sure about it |
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| 03:46.46 | patriick | my banner doesn't work now :( |
| 03:46.49 | madi | tharkun, my question is: how can i install things without network? i have another pc, i can download packages but my pc seems not to see the usb pen drive |
| 03:47.28 | madi | i also have the first dvd of debian testing installer |
| 03:47.46 | madi | may i find the drivers in it in any way? |
| 03:47.51 | madi | :S |
| 03:48.24 | moldovean | yes, nv |
| 03:48.32 | lelle | whats the program that enables you to navigate in terminals with the mouse pointer? |
| 03:48.32 | tharkun | madi: ls -la /etc/alternatives |grep www-browser what is the output of that |
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| 03:49.54 | MrFrood | lelle: are you thinking about gpm? |
| 03:50.37 | moldovean | madi, dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video-nv , says ? or -nouveau |
| 03:50.40 | lelle | yep and its working |
| 03:50.47 | lelle | it should be default |
| 03:50.55 | moldovean | no |
| 03:51.23 | lelle | you dont want common people to have an easier time in cli? lose your job? lol |
| 03:51.26 | MrFrood | lelle: no, not default |
| 03:51.39 | lelle | k im outnumbered |
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| 03:52.13 | madi | tharkun, ah, i have w3m!! how can i use it? |
| 03:52.43 | moldovean | lelle, wants debian install ubuntu by default , too ? |
| 03:53.13 | MrFrood | lelle: if one boots straight to a dm and X it's just another usless deamon wasting memory and if not most of the time it's still easier to use keyboard shortcuts |
| 03:53.40 | madi | moldovean, xserver-xorg-v 1:2.1.17-3 |
| 03:53.56 | moldovean | so use it |
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| 03:54.16 | madi | moldovean, how? |
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| 03:54.17 | tharkun | madi: Please don't feel this to be rude. but man w3m will teach you how to use it. Basically you call it with w3m httpp..... |
| 03:54.42 | moldovean | madi, anyways X will pick it up automatically |
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| 03:55.32 | tharkun | moldovean: Do you know how to pick at gdm in squeeze ? I am having some trouble enabling the XDMCP part of it |
| 03:55.39 | moldovean | madi, mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.nvidia , and restart X |
| 03:55.56 | madi | tharkun, sorry, the problem is that it seems not to redirect at the page in which i'm supposed to log in |
| 03:56.17 | moldovean | tharkun, dunno |
| 03:56.46 | tharkun | moldovean: thx |
| 03:56.47 | madi | tharkun, when i type w3m http://www.google.com it says can't load |
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| 03:57.06 | tharkun | madi: Sorry, too tired to be able to help in any useful way |
| 03:57.28 | madi | tharkun, thanks by the way |
| 03:57.56 | tharkun | madi: try to log directly to the firewall it is usually also your gateway |
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| 03:58.08 | tharkun | route -n should give you the ip address |
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| 04:00.40 | madi | moldovean, ops! there's no xorg.conf!! |
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| 04:02.11 | moldovean | try startx |
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| 04:02.46 | tracy69 | hi i want to ask whats better ubuntu 10.04 or debian for someone who want to move from windows to linux ? |
| 04:03.26 | madi | moldovean, FATAL: module nvidia not found (EE) NVIDIA failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module |
| 04:03.34 | naildownx | ubuntu imho because more is automated tracy69 |
| 04:03.51 | patriick | how am i supposed to go about formated my slave drive for use in debian |
| 04:04.13 | tracy69 | <naildownx> tnx |
| 04:04.42 | MrFrood | tracy69: it depends on why you want move from windows |
| 04:04.44 | moldovean | madi, bad .. |
| 04:04.55 | naildownx | debian makes a great desktop but may require some extra know how to get certain things working depending on your hardware...ubuntu tends to be overly helpful for new users...I would also highly recommend linuxmint instead of Ubuntu tracy69 |
| 04:04.55 | madi | moldovean, :S |
| 04:05.01 | lelle | do ubuntu and install ubuntu-restricted-extras for play avi mp3 etc |
| 04:05.09 | lelle | playing* |
| 04:06.11 | naildownx | tracy69, linuxmint 9 'isadora' comes with flash enabled and has the same helps as ubuntu...plus it is beautifully designed :D |
| 04:06.59 | beardy | !why debian |
| 04:06.59 | dpkg | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ (archived at http://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian) http://www.aboutdebian.com/ . As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian. |
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| 04:08.06 | beardy | tracy69: Asking that in a distribution-specific channel is quite offtopic. But there you go. |
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| 04:09.41 | naildownx | I am running Debian Squeeze and loving it :) |
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| 04:10.20 | lelle | can you install olders versions of software from the repos? i need an old version of conky since i need 48mb on a minimal x install.. |
| 04:10.47 | madi | how can i force to mount a usb pen drive? |
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| 04:12.28 | beardy | madi: How do you mean force? What happens when you try to mount it? |
| 04:12.45 | lelle | and why does conky need perl? ill ask this in #conky |
| 04:13.52 | beardy | lelle: No. You'd probably have to build it yourself, from an older source version, sine an older package would depend/be built against older library versions and would probably cause problems. |
| 04:14.02 | beardy | s/sine/since/ |
| 04:14.15 | lelle | hmmm |
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| 04:15.27 | beardy | Not that I know what it is. |
| 04:15.50 | madi | beardy, i cant find anything in /mnt or in /dev |
| 04:15.50 | lelle | you dont know conky lol? |
| 04:16.21 | lelle | you must be a gazillion years old |
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| 04:16.57 | MrFrood | lelle: if you build it yourself you can probally use the latest version, just configure it to build with the options you want (ie. nothing that needs perl) |
| 04:17.00 | beardy | lelle: You might be 13. |
| 04:17.09 | PuffyBSD | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/19/linux_vulnerability_fix/ << -- Linux is for mentally retarded bitches whote ate too many lead paint chips as babies |
| 04:17.16 | PuffyBSD | OpenBSD blackhole.hvc.rr.com 4.7 puffy-kernel#0 i386 |
| 04:17.18 | lelle | i might |
| 04:17.18 | PuffyBSD | w00t ! |
| 04:17.22 | lelle | but im 12 |
| 04:17.24 | PuffyBSD | suck it bitches ! |
| 04:17.26 | lelle | lololol |
| 04:17.27 | PuffyBSD | haha |
| 04:17.30 | lelle | joke |
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| 04:18.31 | MrFrood | conky is overrated, I just keep a terminal open with htop running for sys info |
| 04:19.13 | lelle | is there any configurable system monitor for cli? |
| 04:19.33 | MrFrood | conk-cli |
| 04:19.33 | lelle | i dont like a billion rows of applicationID 14234 xC;244 |
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| 04:19.57 | lelle | butt wouldnt that need full conky maybe not |
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| 04:21.11 | beardy | tharkun: Thanks for the report about beep. Which wm do you use, which one did it work in? |
| 04:22.53 | tharkun | beardy: it was i3 since ion3 is no longer in squeeze and notion is not yet packaged |
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| 04:23.28 | tharkun | It works flawlessly in gnome but it is a pain to use in i3 |
| 04:23.43 | lelle | would ubuntu repos work on debian? |
| 04:23.57 | beardy | tharkun: Ok. Well, xset b off didn't work for me, Widow Maker. |
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| 04:24.02 | beardy | lelle: No. |
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| 04:24.16 | beardy | Heh.. Window* |
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| 04:24.46 | patriick | does debian have some kind've firewall by default? iptables? |
| 04:25.02 | moldovean | no |
| 04:25.02 | patriick | just need allow packets on a certian port real quick |
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| 04:25.15 | tharkun | iptables -L -n -v should tell you more info about your machine |
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| 04:25.36 | MrFrood | lelle: no to ubuntu repros |
| 04:25.40 | patriick | -bash: iptables: command not found |
| 04:25.46 | tharkun | as root |
| 04:25.47 | moldovean | root |
| 04:26.25 | qacat | patriick, as root and check your $PATH |
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| 04:27.05 | MrFrood | lelle: if you use conky-cli & gnu screen you can pipe the conky output into screens status bar (google will be your friend on setting this up) |
| 04:28.04 | lelle | i just want it in upper right corner with transparent Eterm theme but thanks |
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| 04:30.05 | lelle | any tiny x11 editor? |
| 04:30.10 | lelle | leafpad is humongous |
| 04:30.26 | MrFrood | vim in an xterm |
| 04:31.00 | lelle | nah thats fugly, maybe some not application is small enough |
| 04:31.41 | beardy | lelle: xedit then, enjoy. |
| 04:32.10 | MrFrood | lelle: vim with a nice colour scheme and a transparent xterm is what ever cool 12 year old wants |
| 04:32.18 | lelle | but im 11 |
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| 04:33.23 | MrFrood | lelle: is mousepad to big for you? |
| 04:34.14 | lelle | bigger than leafpad :( |
| 04:35.13 | MrFrood | xedit then or something in a terminal then |
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| 04:35.48 | lelle | pretty im whining about small x11 apps when im going to install firefox anyway.. |
| 04:35.58 | lelle | pretty pathetic* |
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| 04:36.09 | lelle | or dumb |
| 04:36.51 | macrobat | there are smaller browsers than firefox and there is no firefox in debian :D |
| 04:37.10 | MrFrood | I think xfe (file manager) comes with light weight text editor & image viewer |
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| 04:37.30 | lelle | but i need ze "multi links" plugin so i can open many links same time |
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| 04:38.11 | lelle | mrfrood 52 mb ....... :/ |
| 04:38.14 | beardy | !iceweasel |
| 04:38.14 | dpkg | Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces it in Debian as of Etch. It is not GNU's Firefox fork (now known as <IceCat>). Ask me about <why iceweasel> and <iceweasel user-agent>. Use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel |
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| 04:38.44 | beardy | lelle: Why would you run X on that? |
| 04:39.14 | MrFrood | lelle: 52mb for file-manager + text editor + image viewer |
| 04:39.23 | lelle | beardy on what? sryzly |
| 04:39.51 | lelle | mrfrood yeah isnt it huge? |
| 04:40.42 | MrFrood | so mc + vim + feh then... how much is that? |
| 04:40.44 | beardy | lelle: On whatever you have that has seemingly very little memory. Or is diskspace that is the issue? |
| 04:41.11 | lelle | im a super nerd that has 500 gb diskspace lmao |
| 04:41.24 | macrobat | debian on 52mb ram? |
| 04:41.33 | lelle | 1gb |
| 04:41.58 | lelle | its like 16kb in 1992 |
| 04:42.53 | MrFrood | lelle: my 286 from 1988 has 1mb ram |
| 04:42.54 | beardy | No, it's like 4MB. |
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| 04:43.18 | mister_m | how do I get 64 bit flash to work |
| 04:43.57 | zinx | mister_m: currently, you use 32-bit flash with nspluginwrapper and some extra 32-bit packages converted for use in the 64-bit distro |
| 04:44.15 | patriick | whats the quickist simplest way to change a users name? |
| 04:44.22 | zinx | mister_m: http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 04:44.35 | mister_m | zinx, thanks |
| 04:45.00 | MrFrood | lelle: I had 16kb in 1981 |
| 04:45.05 | zinx | mister_m: unfortunately Adobe has discontinued the 64-bit version of flash for now, and Debian's multiarch still sucks :D |
| 04:45.34 | lelle | mrfrood beardy your gangraping me plz stop.. lol |
| 04:46.23 | beardy | lelle: No we're correcting you. Please don't use that kind of language. |
| 04:47.04 | lelle | yeah i figured i shouldnt about 2 seconds after saying that.. should think more :( |
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| 04:47.20 | mister_m | You should think about grammar too |
| 04:47.24 | mister_m | zing |
| 04:47.26 | MrFrood | lelle: if you want some light-weight applications checkout the list at http://kmandla.wordpress.com/software/ (not debian specific) |
| 04:47.48 | lelle | mister_m: oh man plz stop it i cant take it any more |
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| 04:53.11 | MrFrood | patriick: I'm not sure but try checking out the man page for the usermod command |
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| 05:30.44 | xiangfu | ymeng: /usr /bin /boot /root /etc /var :-) |
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| 05:33.43 | lelle | sorry brethren im to ubuntu, im too nooby for debian |
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| 05:42.58 | Blondy | hello |
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| 05:43.44 | Blondy | Can someone help me make a chose :) Debian vs Fedora >_< sorry for holywar question |
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| 05:47.27 | mee | sure: debian. |
| 05:47.31 | mee | that was easy. |
| 05:47.45 | lelle | blondy debian, i think ubuntu would be the debian equalivent of whater fedore is based on |
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| 05:48.41 | Blondy | fedora is based on ubuntu ? |
| 05:48.43 | Blondy | huh ? |
| 05:49.10 | lelle | ubuntu is based on debian |
| 05:49.15 | Blondy | I know |
| 05:49.23 | lelle | and fedore is like ubuntu to debian, but instead of debian its something else light |
| 05:49.26 | mee | Fedora is related to Redhat |
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| 05:49.36 | lelle | what he said |
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| 05:49.54 | mee | get it? *Fedora* ? |
| 05:50.05 | lelle | fe-do-ra |
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| 05:50.12 | mee | (it's a type of hat) |
| 05:50.25 | lelle | yeah i get it now that you said it!! |
| 05:50.33 | mee | :) |
| 05:50.37 | lelle | but fez would be a cooler name since it has z in it |
| 05:50.42 | lelle | or helmut |
| 05:50.42 | Blondy | but DEB and RPM is about the same ... |
| 05:50.46 | mee | I'm inclined to agree |
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| 05:51.03 | lelle | rpm a little bit since you can easily convert rpm to deb and vice versa |
| 05:51.14 | lelle | but |
| 05:51.17 | lelle | what he said |
| 05:51.39 | project2501a | alien does not work automatically most of the time |
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| 05:51.54 | mee | Here's what you do: you install one. Then install virtualbox, and install all the others in virtual machines. Then decide. |
| 05:52.14 | mee | it's really the only way to be sure |
| 05:52.14 | lelle | im tring debian in virtual machine atm lolz |
| 05:52.28 | lelle | but id rather choose ubuntu over fedora |
| 05:53.19 | lelle | if you wanna be pro you can try arch, and even more pro use gentoo |
| 05:53.38 | Blondy | I use gentoo |
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| 05:54.02 | Blondy | but I need some user-friedly dist for some other purporses |
| 05:54.08 | lelle | then i dont need to ask why you want fedore or debian lolll |
| 05:54.11 | Blondy | with binary packets |
| 05:54.34 | lelle | then ubuntu minimal install cd |
| 05:54.38 | lelle | its like 10 mb |
| 05:54.41 | lelle | then xorg etc |
| 05:54.49 | Blondy | I dislike ubuntu ) |
| 05:54.57 | Blondy | it's personal |
| 05:55.08 | lelle | tell me ;D |
| 05:55.15 | Blondy | I dislike SUSE as well |
| 05:55.33 | lelle | because they |
| 05:55.38 | Blondy | stupid ) |
| 05:55.39 | lelle | earn mooniez? |
| 05:55.45 | Blondy | not... |
| 05:56.10 | Blondy | because I think so Debian is better then ubuntu |
| 05:56.17 | Blondy | and Fedora is better then SUSE |
| 05:56.25 | lelle | how do you know if you havent tried ? :| |
| 05:56.29 | Blondy | but I can't compare fedora and debian |
| 05:56.33 | Blondy | I tried |
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| 05:56.45 | lelle | debian is much better supported |
| 05:56.55 | lelle | i think |
| 05:56.58 | Blondy | fedora got great support as well |
| 05:57.15 | lelle | you can use ubuntu debs too on debian |
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| 05:57.21 | lelle | its like fedora + redhat vs debian + ubuntu |
| 05:57.42 | Blondy | RPM based vs DEB based |
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| 05:58.19 | lelle | and then alien which converts to eachother incase of emergency.. |
| 05:58.47 | pallgone | !ubuntu |
| 05:58.48 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 05:59.19 | project2501a | it also sucks. |
| 05:59.20 | ima2 | lol |
| 05:59.32 | project2501a | imacolata |
| 05:59.33 | Blondy | hmmm... |
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| 05:59.58 | ima2 | "even if the channel happens to be less helpful" |
| 06:00.21 | lelle | im being evil because i talk about ubuntu ? :( |
| 06:00.46 | pallgone | lelle: the dark side ;) |
| 06:00.49 | leroux | lelle, go to #ubuntu. |
| 06:00.53 | lelle | the cookie side |
| 06:01.18 | ima2 | Out of the distros I have tried Debian is by far my favorite |
| 06:01.30 | leroux | Debian is mine too, used to use CentOS alot. |
| 06:01.32 | leroux | =) |
| 06:01.39 | leroux | But Debian is like the god of all distros. |
| 06:01.49 | lelle | sex god amirite? |
| 06:01.56 | jelly-home | lelle: stop it. |
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| 06:02.53 | ima2 | leroux: what wm/de do you use? |
| 06:03.16 | Blondy | I use gnome+open box :D |
| 06:03.27 | lelle | he seems like a fluxbox person :/ |
| 06:03.31 | lelle | leet but casual |
| 06:03.35 | lelle | ;D |
| 06:04.58 | leroux | ima2, I use OpenBox. |
| 06:05.05 | leroux | If I need. I use Ice. |
| 06:05.13 | leroux | And I love Flux. |
| 06:05.28 | Blondy | I think ill try flux ... |
| 06:05.29 | leroux | Flux would be the top most best. |
| 06:05.44 | leroux | Just try to save your configs as you use Flux. |
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| 06:06.14 | leroux | Desktop Env. wasted precious memory even though it's very little. |
| 06:06.28 | leroux | Unless all your going to do is surf the web. xD |
| 06:06.40 | Blondy | links is the best :D |
| 06:06.50 | Blondy | browser ever |
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| 06:07.45 | Blondy | links is a fastest browser all over the world :D |
| 06:08.10 | lelle | orly? |
| 06:08.26 | lelle | i think chuck norris use links |
| 06:08.32 | Blondy | :D |
| 06:08.50 | lelle | chuckOS |
| 06:08.53 | lelle | hhhhheHE |
| 06:09.21 | lelle | naaah debian |
| 06:09.32 | ima2 | chuck norrOS? |
| 06:09.33 | Blondy | it's looking like centOS |
| 06:09.38 | Blondy | better OpenChuck ! |
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| 06:16.01 | ima2 | Which version of debian is the one generally downloaded for normal usage? |
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| 06:16.21 | pallgone | ima2: define normal usage |
| 06:16.38 | ima2 | pallgone: browsing the web and coding |
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| 06:18.27 | macrobat | you dl and install the stable version, then you can upgrade it if you want |
| 06:19.04 | Blondy | is syslog-ng a mandatory requirement ? |
| 06:19.08 | pallgone | ima2: lenny (stable) is what most people use. I use squeeze (testing) |
| 06:19.12 | macrobat | sometimes the testing installer has errors |
| 06:19.40 | ima2 | pallgone: Alright, I believe I ran testing the last time |
| 06:19.47 | macrobat | squeeze is frozen now, meaning it will not change as much |
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| 06:25.27 | jelly-home | Blondy: no, it's not part of the base system. |
| 06:25.40 | Selveste1 | macrobat: is there any news on when it will be released, when lenny was frozen it took half a year, if I remember right |
| 06:26.00 | ima2 | It's been about a year since I downloaded debian last time |
| 06:26.13 | ima2 | macrobat: what exactly do you mean by upgrading? |
| 06:26.43 | sep | Selveste1, when the green line reaches ~0 http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 06:27.23 | nutron | ok now qemu is complaining about not getting system memory balloon information ... grr |
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| 06:28.29 | Selveste1 | sep: okay, thanks :P |
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| 06:29.50 | lelle | how to list all commands so i can grep them? |
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| 06:30.00 | lelle | installed xmltv-gui and the command doesnt exist |
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| 06:32.02 | peterrooney | lelle: dpkg -L <package> | grep bin |
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| 06:37.46 | lelle | peterrooney: thanks but nothing :((( |
| 06:39.01 | lelle | evil program |
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| 06:41.25 | peterrooney | lelle: dpkg -L <package> | grep man # might help a bit more |
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| 06:43.38 | lelle | peterrooney: dpkg -l xmltv-gui gives me http://pastebin.com/n6jb2KdL |
| 06:44.27 | jelly-home | lelle: capital L |
| 06:44.48 | jelly-home | lelle: case matters. dpkg -L isn't the same as dpkg -l |
| 06:44.50 | lelle | fail |
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| 06:49.04 | lelle | jelly-home i knew that but i tried i accidentally did -l before -L and it worked so i supposed it was the same :/ |
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| 06:50.56 | tehrabbitt-1 | question, anyone here know about apache? |
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| 06:51.12 | tehrabbitt-1 | i'm getting a weird error: 'warn] NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts" |
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| 06:55.42 | jelly-home | lelle: case sensitivity is important in almost every unix CLI command, so that'd supposition would be ill based |
| 06:55.53 | lelle | true |
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| 07:02.12 | chattr | tehrabbitt-1: have you looked at http://www.apache.org/docs/vhosts/ ? |
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| 07:07.58 | tehrabbitt-1 | curious, if I want to switch from lenny to squeeze, can I just change it in my apt sources, run an apt-get update followed by "upgrade"or will it break things? |
| 07:08.10 | KB1JWQ | IIRC Squeeze is broken right now. |
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| 07:08.28 | tehrabbitt-1 | what do you mean? |
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| 07:09.05 | chattr | sorry, wrong channel |
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| 07:09.49 | tehrabbitt-1 | KB1JWQ: What do you mean it's broken? :-\ i'm on it right now... |
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| 07:11.31 | tehrabbitt-1 | KB1JWQ: what's broken in squeeze? |
| 07:11.51 | alcohol | tehrabbitt-1: you switched from lenny to squeeze in 2 minutes? |
| 07:12.00 | tehrabbitt-1 | alcohol: no, my other machine is on squeeze |
| 07:12.13 | alcohol | but you're on it -right now- ? |
| 07:12.15 | tehrabbitt-1 | i'm talking about for one of my other machines, its running lenny |
| 07:12.25 | tehrabbitt-1 | Yes... the machine i'm currently using is running squeeze |
| 07:12.33 | alcohol | but you said other machine? |
| 07:12.44 | tehrabbitt-1 | my other machine is on lenny (server) |
| 07:12.46 | alcohol | sorry I'm just being obtuse, it's 9am =D |
| 07:12.48 | tehrabbitt-1 | squeeze is on my laptop |
| 07:13.05 | alcohol | I would not recommend unstable on a server, but if it's small/personal I suppose there is no harm |
| 07:13.43 | tehrabbitt-1 | well lenny is the last stable release right? |
| 07:13.52 | alcohol | yes. lenny is current stable |
| 07:13.56 | tehrabbitt-1 | aight |
| 07:14.11 | alcohol | support for edge has been dropped. |
| 07:14.18 | tehrabbitt-1 | edge? |
| 07:14.28 | alcohol | etch |
| 07:14.30 | alcohol | my bad |
| 07:14.32 | tehrabbitt-1 | ah lol np |
| 07:14.36 | alcohol | like I said, it's early :P |
| 07:14.48 | tehrabbitt-1 | etch was past testing right? |
| 07:14.49 | tehrabbitt-1 | lol |
| 07:14.57 | alcohol | no, etch was stable before lenny |
| 07:15.03 | alcohol | now it's just old |
| 07:15.05 | tehrabbitt-1 | 0_o wow it's been a while lol |
| 07:15.11 | tehrabbitt-1 | i remember when etch was testing |
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| 07:18.13 | tehrabbitt-1 | so what's broken in squeeze? |
| 07:18.29 | sep | perhaps he meant frozen.. ? |
| 07:18.35 | tehrabbitt-1 | oh lol |
| 07:18.38 | sep | im on squeeze and works for me |
| 07:18.50 | tehrabbitt-1 | yea that's why i was like "uhhh should I worry about rebooting after running upgrade" lol |
| 07:20.49 | rafuch0 | hi i know i must be pasting this on the xen channel ... but nobady is there and well i am in debian and using debian packages so.... |
| 07:20.54 | rafuch0 | hi again ... so i manage to start to pass the installetion process now when i boot in xen it passes the cpu panic stuff and goes to kernel loading but then something happens and it frezzes there right after deamons start postgresql apache that stuff ... i boot again normal kernel check the log and got lots of this ---> http://pastebin.com/fCNmJvwF can somebady give a hint of how can i fix this thanks ahead... |
| 07:22.09 | pallgone | !lenny->squeeze |
| 07:22.19 | rafuch0 | yeahp |
| 07:22.25 | tehrabbitt-1 | rafuch0: libeta? |
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| 07:22.46 | tehrabbitt-1 | most likely your devices have different names / paths |
| 07:22.54 | tehrabbitt-1 | hda to sda etc |
| 07:23.07 | tehrabbitt-1 | so it's looking for it in one place, and can't find it so it panics |
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| 07:24.13 | rafuch0 | but i boot one time and it even did a fsck how can that happend if dont find the devices? |
| 07:24.24 | rafuch0 | an automatic one |
| 07:24.50 | rafuch0 | where do i indicate the correct paht tehrabbitt-1? |
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| 07:25.08 | tehrabbitt-1 | well i'll put it this way, i remember when i went from etch to lenny my devices changed names from HDA to SDA... and alot of thigns broke... grub saw "hda" and so did alot of older programs |
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| 07:25.26 | tehrabbitt-1 | rafuch0: not sure to be honest, one of the .conf files should have paths specified |
| 07:25.36 | alcohol | /etc/fstab ? |
| 07:25.44 | alcohol | no that's drives and such, nevermind |
| 07:25.50 | rafuch0 | fstab off course but ... is not that |
| 07:26.11 | tehrabbitt-1 | sys/bus/scsi/devices/host0/ <-- will be renamed to something "else" |
| 07:26.33 | rafuch0 | cof files ...no way something that trivial.... let take a good check on those.... what di you say about libeta tehrabbitt-1? |
| 07:27.04 | tehrabbitt-1 | libeta was a driver that was changed a while back on my system, caused alot of my drives to get renamed frmo HDA to SDA and such... it also screwed with my RAID controllers |
| 07:27.07 | rafuch0 | apt-cache search libeta spits 0 results |
| 07:27.19 | tehrabbitt-1 | libeta is part of the kernel |
| 07:27.31 | rafuch0 | ohh well conf files ok checing |
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| 07:27.40 | tehrabbitt-1 | http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_configure_and_use_libata_SATA_/_PATA_drivers |
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| 07:27.55 | tehrabbitt-1 | basically IDE and PATA drives got seen as "SDA" instead of "HDA" |
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| 07:28.29 | rafuch0 | maybe the kernel image was not compile wiht scsi support ? |
| 07:28.34 | tehrabbitt-1 | very likely |
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| 07:28.44 | tehrabbitt-1 | you're using a generic kernel that came with xen? |
| 07:28.46 | rafuch0 | so i must compile xen from source |
| 07:29.15 | rafuch0 | i am using this bad boy --> 2.6.32-bpo.5-xen-686 |
| 07:29.23 | negge | I just removed a user (using deluser) which had a quota set for him with quotatool. Now when I run repquota -a the UID still shows up in the list, how do I remove it from there? |
| 07:29.34 | tehrabbitt-1 | You dont' have to reinstall from source.... |
| 07:29.45 | rafuch0 | and this other one _> xen-4.0-i386.gz |
| 07:30.08 | tehrabbitt-1 | use the XEN that came with Debian, and then use the menuconfig to select the appropiate drivers for use with your custom kernel... compile it, reboot |
| 07:30.35 | tehrabbitt-1 | from what it seems like, the kernel you're tryign to use has no support for your SCSI card, so it's failing to load the drives |
| 07:31.11 | rafuch0 | but i am using it right now that kernel the same one i am calling from the hypervisor |
| 07:31.22 | rafuch0 | so it does have the support |
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| 07:31.40 | tehrabbitt-1 | hm. does the kernel you're using right now support running as a dom0 kernel? |
| 07:32.34 | rafuch0 | hell yeahhh linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.5-xen-686 - Linux 2.6.32 for modern PCs, Xen dom0 support |
| 07:32.50 | tehrabbitt-1 | Hm, and that one runs fine when not started through the hypervisor? |
| 07:33.00 | rafuch0 | helll yeahhhh!!!!! |
| 07:33.10 | rafuch0 | even got the nvidia driver compiled and all |
| 07:33.14 | tehrabbitt-1 | so then the hypervisor doesn't support your scsi device |
| 07:33.35 | rafuch0 | so now what ? |
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| 07:33.42 | rafuch0 | i got confuse :( |
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| 07:34.19 | tehrabbitt-1 | hm, well what scsi card are you using? |
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| 07:35.21 | tehrabbitt-1 | dmesg | grep scsi |
| 07:35.25 | tehrabbitt-1 | err |
| 07:35.32 | tehrabbitt-1 | lspci | grep scsi |
| 07:35.32 | tehrabbitt-1 | sorry |
| 07:35.36 | tehrabbitt-1 | (tired) lol |
| 07:35.41 | rafuch0 | lspci | grep scsi |
| 07:35.42 | rafuch0 | i did |
| 07:35.46 | rafuch0 | 0 results |
| 07:35.50 | kmonk | yo |
| 07:36.01 | tehrabbitt-1 | err |
| 07:36.05 | tehrabbitt-1 | lspci | grep SCSI |
| 07:36.08 | tehrabbitt-1 | sorry case sensitive |
| 07:36.48 | tehrabbitt-1 | 08:07.0 SCSI storage controller: Adaptec AIC-7902B U320 (rev 10) |
| 07:36.52 | tehrabbitt-1 | that's mine |
| 07:37.10 | rafuch0 | dmesg show something here |
| 07:37.25 | rafuch0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:37.45 | rafuch0 | sr 1:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg1 type 5 |
| 07:38.02 | tehrabbitt-1 | generic sgl? :-\ what kind of card do you have, do you know? |
| 07:39.09 | jelly-home | tehrabbitt-1: it's a sata controller with a disk and an optical device (dvd or cd) attached |
| 07:39.34 | rafuch0 | yeah i got an intel DH55TC |
| 07:39.37 | tehrabbitt-1 | jelly-home: Ah. hm |
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| 07:39.54 | tehrabbitt-1 | so it's onboard SATA? |
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| 07:40.29 | rafuch0 | yeah |
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| 07:40.46 | tehrabbitt-1 | http://software.intel.com/en-us/forums/showthread.php?t=72189 |
| 07:40.48 | tehrabbitt-1 | taht might help |
| 07:40.56 | tehrabbitt-1 | your board doesn't support VT apparently |
| 07:41.26 | tehrabbitt-1 | which might be causing part of the issue |
| 07:43.08 | rafuch0 | damn xen is hard !!! |
| 07:44.06 | rafuch0 | i and wanted to try the pci passtrhg on my nvidia card |
| 07:44.28 | tehrabbitt-1 | rafuch0: not hard, just picky :-\ |
| 07:44.35 | pLr | rafuch0, no way :p |
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| 07:45.07 | tehrabbitt-1 | I got it installed on a quad-core xeon machine a while ago and it ran wonderful, but i can't get it installed on my laptop because even though my processor supports it, the motherboard doesn't |
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| 07:45.39 | rafuch0 | but is best right ! and performance and all |
| 07:46.25 | rafuch0 | what you guys think? |
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| 07:46.59 | tehrabbitt-1 | i mean yes it uses the least resources, but isn't as "compatible" i think |
| 07:47.20 | brammat0r | if I set user's shell to /bin/telnet, what can he do locally? I mean, maliciously. |
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| 07:47.33 | rafuch0 | well that is it for me i guess will go back with the kids stuff Virtualbox |
| 07:47.35 | rafuch0 | X) |
| 07:47.51 | tehrabbitt-1 | rafuch0: find a xeon machine, or a machine that supports VT-D |
| 07:47.58 | tehrabbitt-1 | then have fun with XEN :-p |
| 07:48.31 | rafuch0 | yeah it is Fun you got that right ! |
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| 07:49.16 | rafuch0 | anyway thanks a lot for the comments and the support you see this is a great community i posted this Q on xen channels hours ago nobady even look at my nick ... :S |
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| 07:51.28 | rafuch0 | ohh no wait somebady ask something and seems like the deads came alive he got a reply .... |
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| 07:51.39 | rafuch0 | maybe they just hate my nicj X ) |
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| 07:54.50 | tehrabbitt-1 | rafuch0: lol |
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| 08:04.50 | xro | hi, i have a server that is full (HD 100% used)... how can i find what to remove (find the big folder)? |
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| 08:06.03 | babilen | xro: You might want to start with deleting the package cache - read aptitude's manpage on "clean" and "autoclean" |
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| 08:06.52 | babilen | xro: I found programs like "baobab" helpful in finding large files I wasn't aware of |
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| 08:07.22 | kmonk | xro: sudo apt-get autoremove |
| 08:07.52 | kmonk | xro: pdmap gives a nice visual representation of where the disk space is going |
| 08:08.03 | kmonk | *gdmap |
| 08:08.10 | babilen | ,info baobab |
| 08:08.13 | judd | No record of package 'baobab' in lenny/i386. |
| 08:08.23 | babilen | Uh :) |
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| 08:08.27 | babilen | ,versions baobab |
| 08:08.29 | judd | baobab -- etch: 2.4.2-1.1+b1; sid: 2.30.0-2; squeeze: 2.30.0-2 |
| 08:08.35 | rafuch0 | hey ... now i am trying to install virtualbox and there is not virtualbox-ose-modules for my current kernel package so i must install the binaries right? |
| 08:08.44 | xro | <babilen> yes, good idea... I tried with find... |
| 08:08.56 | sauvin | fsview (1) - a filesystem viewer that graphically shows disk usage |
| 08:08.57 | babilen | ,info gdmap |
| 08:08.58 | judd | gdmap (graphics, optional): Tool to visualize diskspace. Version: 0.7.5-4; Size: 43.8k; Installed: 132k; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/gdmap |
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| 08:09.49 | babilen | xro: Lots of tools to choose from - But start with the package cache as you probably don't really need them and they are easily recoverable (one by one though) |
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| 08:10.35 | xro | <babilen>, yes... i'll do that... but my server is really slow now... |
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| 08:12.15 | swoody | While using an encrypted LVM I get an entry "320 GB Unrecognized" (referring to my HDD) in my Places menu. Does anyone know how to get rid of this? |
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| 08:13.32 | wieshka | need help to make my NFS share writable for apache's www-data user/group |
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| 08:14.28 | wieshka | this is my exports line: /data/uploads 192.168.10.0/24(rw,sync,no_root_squash,anongid=33,anonuid=33) |
| 08:14.32 | babilen | xro: OK, if it is that slow you might want to run "aptitude autoclean" or "aptitude clean" first (the former just deletes packages (rather package versions) that are no longer installed and the latter deletes the complete package cache. I would also check the output of "free -m" as it sounds as if you might be out of memory |
| 08:15.10 | wieshka | and this is client sides mounr rule in fstab: 192.168.10.243:/data/uploads /data/cms/public_html/uploads nfs rw,sync,hard,intr 0 0 |
| 08:15.45 | xro | <babilen>, i did a cache clean but it's always nearly full... (i can't install a new soft and i don't have graphical environment for baobab) so i try --> find / -size +50M.... is it rigth? |
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| 08:18.57 | wieshka | Need help with NFS share & apache / permissions = http://wieshka.pastebin.com/9PiNAbEX |
| 08:21.12 | babilen | xro: How much did the cache clean free? And yes, that is correct if you want to find files that are larger than 50M. You might want to use something like "find / -size +50M -ls | sort -nr -k 7" as well |
| 08:21.56 | rafuch0 | i am trying to install virtualbox and there is not virtualbox-ose-modules for my current kernel package so i must install the binaries right? |
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| 08:22.42 | sep | rafuch0, build them with module-assistant ? |
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| 08:23.43 | sep | rafuch0, http://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox have some info |
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| 08:24.55 | rafuch0 | niceeee i forgot to look in the good old debian wiki i will like to make an article there |
| 08:24.56 | xro | <babilen>, now i have 9M free and my server run normaly.... but i have to clean the big files! |
| 08:25.19 | rafuch0 | thanks sep |
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| 08:26.26 | rafuch0 | niceeee This will also install lenny-backports/virtualbox-ose-dkms and other recommended packages. DKMS will build the VirtualBox OSE modules for your system. |
| 08:26.39 | rafuch0 | look |
| 08:26.41 | rafuch0 | Building only for 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 |
| 08:26.42 | rafuch0 | Building initial module for 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 |
| 08:26.46 | babilen | xro: Well, the command I give you will list large files (i.e. those larger than 50M) in descending order of their size |
| 08:27.03 | babilen | xro: *gave :) |
| 08:27.25 | rafuch0 | DKMS: install Completed. |
| 08:27.25 | rafuch0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:27.25 | rafuch0 | Starting VirtualBox kernel modules. |
| 08:27.25 | rafuch0 | Configurando virtualbox-ose-qt (3.2.4-dfsg-1~bpo50+1) |
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| 08:28.10 | swombat | Ok, I know this question makes little sense, but I'm fishing for clues. About half an hour ago, my web server (running on Xen) suddenly started dropping *every* packet (with iptables log of it). I couldn't even ssh in, had to power it off it via Xen, after which it worked fine. Why would it suddenly start dropping every single packet though? This is my iptables.up.rules script: http://pastie.org/private/bb0whpwjokjykp8ekhjx |
| 08:28.10 | swombat | oq .. all the packets were being "Dropped by default" |
| 08:28.13 | swombat | http://pastie.org/private/bb0whpwjokjykp8ekhjxoq |
| 08:28.25 | xro | <babilen>, many thanks for your help! |
| 08:29.43 | babilen | swombat: Not sure, but it is typically preferred to paste the output of "iptables -L" -- You might want to ask in #netfilter though |
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| 08:31.05 | babilen | xro: You are welcome -- Good luck. I would suggest to peek into /usr/local manually as well and check if there is something you can delete. |
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| 08:34.42 | swombat | babilen: fyi, this is the iptables -L, and some sample drop messages, but I'll go ask in #netfilter now: http://pastie.org/private/xtly8su6muf8zd4uojew |
| 08:35.33 | Gijs | how to fix this: Lost connection to MySQL server at 'reading initial communication packet', |
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| 08:42.29 | tehrabbitt | can anyone let me know if the site loads: http://thoth.tenehawk.com |
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| 08:48.57 | tehrabbitt | anyone able to access the site? |
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| 08:49.53 | babilen | tehrabbitt: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ -- Hard to convince people to open unknown websites |
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| 08:50.24 | tehrabbitt | babilen: I know, i'm just wondering if anyone else can access it from outside my local LAN :-\ |
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| 08:51.14 | babilen | tehrabbitt: works here :) |
| 08:51.25 | tehrabbitt | does this go to the same site: http://tehrabbitt.com/ |
| 08:51.29 | tehrabbitt | it should |
| 08:51.38 | babilen | jupp |
| 08:51.42 | tehrabbitt | thanks :) |
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| 08:52.09 | babilen | yw |
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| 08:54.57 | ima | humm, what's the reason the partitioner lists my unallocated space as unusable? |
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| 08:58.45 | ima | Ah, it appears I have 4 primary partitions already |
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| 09:02.48 | Niklas-_ | I'm so tired of installing Debian via KVM, 7 out of 10 times when doing alt+tab between KVM windows and other windows, the whole installation process freezez :( |
| 09:03.56 | Gijs | how to permanently add an IP address? |
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| 09:04.59 | Niklas-_ | Gijs: Edit /etc/network/interfaces, if you dont know the syntax check `man interfaces` |
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| 09:05.59 | ima | Isn't Linux supposed to be able to run off of a logical partition though? |
| 09:07.15 | Niklas-_ | I dont think the boot partition can be on a logical partition, but the system partition can |
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| 09:10.07 | Gijs | i got the ip add thing from anybody else in #debian but i reinstalled my machine and now it is gone. |
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| 09:10.17 | ima | Niklas-_: makes sense.. I suppose I can live without the swap partition I have for windows |
| 09:10.43 | babilen | Gijs: Where do you want to add an IP address? |
| 09:11.23 | Gijs | in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 09:11.32 | Gijs | it was something with eth:0 if i am right |
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| 09:12.17 | Niklas-_ | ima: You can create a file on your linux partition which you create a swap "file system" on, and then mount the file as swap, if you really need it |
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| 09:14.18 | ima | Niklas-_: It's a swap partition for Windows, I'm pretty sure I can reformat it into a logical one, right? |
| 09:15.49 | Niklas-_ | ima: ah i misunderstood you before.. yeah sure that shouldn't be any problem |
| 09:16.02 | babilen | Gijs: http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#HowtoassignmultipleIPaddresses ? |
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| 09:18.48 | s1kx | if I update my mysql installation from 5.0 to 5.1 by just doing apt-get install mysql-server-5.1, I will still keep the databases right? |
| 09:19.27 | babilen | s1kx: Which version of Debian are you tracking? |
| 09:19.33 | s1kx | its lenny |
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| 09:19.38 | babilen | ,versions mysql-server-5.1 |
| 09:19.40 | judd | mysql-server-5.1 -- lenny-backports: 5.1.47-1~bpo50+1; sid: 5.1.49-1; squeeze: 5.1.49-1 |
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| 09:19.44 | TZug | hi |
| 09:19.55 | babilen | s1kx: You can install MySQL 5.1 from backports |
| 09:20.03 | s1kx | just wondering if i am accidently deleting all data right now by doing this |
| 09:20.16 | themill | s1kx: note that going backwards from 5.1 to 5.0 isn't as easy. You'll have to dump and reload. You should always keep backups of your data.... |
| 09:20.41 | babilen | s1kx: It wouldn't hurt to have backups, but I don't think that you will lose data. (Don't take my word for it though) |
| 09:22.06 | qwd | I just tried adding a hard drive to my fstab, it uses encryption and LVM and failed to mount at startup. Here's the fstab http://pastebin.com/QBexbJVu (line 14) I have a text file of how I set the disk up if that's of any use. |
| 09:22.13 | s1kx | thank |
| 09:22.14 | s1kx | s |
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| 09:24.44 | TZug | i have a simple LED mounted to my onboard LPT and I want to flash it with a simple kernel driver. parport_pc gives me 0x378 as address for the lpt but when i do a simple outp( 0xff, 0x378 ); udelay( n ); outp( 0x00, 0x378 ); nothing happens, even when Im reading back the data-registers i dont see a change for what i have set them. I also checked with an oszy. no signals comming trough. What stupid mistake did I make there? |
| 09:24.52 | qiyong | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:24.52 | qiyong | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:27.05 | bar__ | Hi, how can I force overwrite of --output file in gpg ? |
| 09:27.11 | bar__ | didn't find a force option in the man page |
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| 09:29.50 | bar__ | OK, got it.. --yes :) |
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| 09:30.00 | qwd | I edited fstab to use the UUID instead, I'll just reboot and give that a try |
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| 09:33.49 | foetus | the change from irssi to pidgin 2.6.6 is like.. speechless |
| 09:35.00 | foetus | works really nice |
| 09:35.34 | foetus | must compile it later. |
| 09:35.45 | Gijs | error while loading shared libraries: libpcre.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 09:35.49 | Gijs | how to fix this? |
| 09:36.56 | qwd | I'm havign trouble mounting a new hard drive at startup. The drive uses encryption (dm-crypt LUKS), and LVM. Here's my /var/log/fsck/checkfs http://pastebin.com/AfnL9izj and my /etc/fstab http://pastebin.com/tRSUJJJJ and the output of lvdisplay http://pastebin.com/XLntD2gJ can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong? Is adding the disk to /etc/fstab not enough to mount it when it's encrypted? |
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| 09:40.50 | babilen | !tell Gijs -about apt-file |
| 09:42.26 | Gijs | just give me some help, you wont help me with telling a bot that it needs to say something... |
| 09:43.45 | sep | Gijs,he told you about apt-file becouse that's the tool you would use to find out what package contains the file you are missing |
| 09:44.50 | qwd | I need to add it to /etc/crypttab |
| 09:44.59 | sep | Gijs, personally i use http://packages.debian.org with a webbrowser |
| 09:45.40 | Gijs | but this is so weird: root@svr:~# apt-get install libpcre3 |
| 09:45.48 | Gijs | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 09:46.02 | Gijs | but still: |
| 09:46.10 | Gijs | ./program: error while loading shared libraries: libpcre.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 09:47.10 | sep | Gijs, what version and arch ? |
| 09:47.17 | themill | Gijs: what is "./program" and where is it from? The output of "ldd ./program" might help. |
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| 09:48.15 | Gijs | http://pastebin.com/u4z8FTMn |
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| 09:49.40 | BlackFate | Gijs, aptitude install ia32-libs-gtk |
| 09:49.47 | babilen | Gijs: If you had used apt-file, you would know that the particular library (or rather the 32bit version of it) is shipped in the ia32-libs-gtk package :) |
| 09:50.29 | Gijs | oke now 1 step closer |
| 09:50.31 | Gijs | libsqlite3.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 09:50.46 | babilen | rinse and repeat :) |
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| 09:50.59 | Gijs | what? |
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| 09:51.24 | babilen | Gijs: That library is not shipped as a 32bit version for amd64 AFAICS |
| 09:51.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps time to read the factoid? |
| 09:52.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, it's not a full set for amd64? |
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| 09:52.49 | Gijs | libsqlite3.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 09:52.52 | babilen | CutMeOwnThroat: That library is available as 64bit version for amd64, but it seems that there is no ia32- package that ships the 32bit one |
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| 09:53.28 | BlackFate | Gijs, there is no clean way to fix that in 64bit version |
| 09:53.48 | jelly | Gijs: what are you trying to run? Your ldd output is missing the command line |
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| 09:54.43 | Gijs | http://pastebin.com/0pQ4vJtZ |
| 09:55.17 | babilen | Gijs: You might want to get a 64bit version of that program/library |
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| 09:55.51 | Gijs | where to find it? |
| 09:56.16 | babilen | Gijs: Where did you get the 32bit version? |
| 09:56.25 | Gijs | i dont know lol |
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| 09:56.47 | babilen | *sigh* |
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| 10:00.10 | Gijs | so can anybody help please? |
| 10:00.13 | Gijs | babilen? |
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| 10:01.16 | jelly | Gijs: use a 32bit OS if you want to use the command using that .so file; alternatively, fetch the required 32bit libraries from some other 32bit installation |
| 10:01.48 | Gijs | i just installed 64bit |
| 10:02.01 | Gijs | i just need a fix for this: libsqlite3.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 10:02.13 | jelly | Gijs: I just told you what the fix is. |
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| 10:02.30 | jelly | get that library from a 32bit install |
| 10:02.55 | Gijs | well explain me how please. |
| 10:03.51 | jacekowski | google |
| 10:03.57 | Gijs | ... |
| 10:03.58 | jacekowski | and if you are to stupid to do that |
| 10:03.59 | jelly | Gijs: install a 32bit Linux OS somewhere, use their search utilities to find the package containing "libsqlite3.so.0", install that package and copy the library to your 64bit machine |
| 10:04.04 | jacekowski | then switch off your computer |
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| 10:04.15 | jacekowski | and don't come close to device that has more than 10 logic gates |
| 10:04.17 | Gijs | jacekowski fuck you |
| 10:04.53 | jacekowski | no, you don't even attempt to solver *YOUR* problem on your own |
| 10:05.00 | jacekowski | you expect us to tell you what to do |
| 10:06.06 | themill | jacekowski, Gijs: please play nicely with the other kiddies⦠|
| 10:06.32 | Gijs | ... |
| 10:07.14 | Gijs | look i just need the answer to this problem, i cant find it on google. and i know people here know the answer to solve this problem but they arnt telling it |
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| 10:08.33 | jelly | Gijs: sorry, I won't spoonfeed you the answer, I'd rather you learned the basics and become able to fix a similar issue yourself the next time. |
| 10:08.48 | Gijs | Gijs: install a 32bit Linux OS somewhere, use their search utilities to find the package containing "libsqlite3.so.0", install that package and copy the library to your 64bit machine |
| 10:08.52 | Gijs | that isnt a basic |
| 10:09.04 | Gijs | why the hell would i install a whole new OS if it can easy |
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| 10:09.39 | Gijs | here i just heard about an other fail and the only thing people said was ia32-libs-gtk |
| 10:09.41 | Gijs | and i was done |
| 10:09.46 | Gijs | with that problem |
| 10:09.51 | babilen | Gijs: You could also download the respective 32bit package from packages.debian.org, unpack it with dpkg -x foo.deb /the/temporary/location and get hold of the library like that. |
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| 10:10.08 | babilen | Good luck, time for breakfast :) |
| 10:10.19 | Gijs | ... |
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| 10:13.27 | Gijs | can anybody else help me? |
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| 10:15.48 | sep | Gijs, sorry i never mix 32bit and 64bit software becouse it's just to messy/complex |
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| 10:22.45 | atula | on installation step where I could partition the drives, I created 3 raid arrays: /dev/md0 for /boot, /dev/md1 for an LVM where I was going to create /home, / etc. and another /dev/md2 for another LVM to mount a big partition /archive/ |
| 10:23.01 | atula | however, when I created LVM that's about it. I can't seem to do anything else |
| 10:23.05 | atula | am I missing something? |
| 10:23.29 | atula | I was suppose to create other volumes within the volume group, right? |
| 10:23.48 | jacekowski | atula: yes, you have no idea how lvm works |
| 10:23.59 | jacekowski | atula: just create one big raid for lvm |
| 10:24.24 | jacekowski | atula: + separate / outside of lvm |
| 10:25.53 | atula | jacekowski: on the first drive did I have a big raid for lvm. one md for /boot as I know there are issue for /boot in lvm |
| 10:26.14 | atula | are you saying that / needs to be non lvm as well ? |
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| 10:26.34 | jacekowski | n |
| 10:26.35 | jacekowski | no |
| 10:26.38 | jacekowski | but it's a good idea |
| 10:27.01 | jacekowski | in case when something happens to lvm you have working system |
| 10:27.03 | atula | I'm confused. then I've done what you just said. |
| 10:27.03 | jacekowski | with lvm tools |
| 10:27.10 | atula | aah I see what you mean |
| 10:27.28 | atula | so /boot, / should be outside of lvm |
| 10:28.17 | atula | and /home + other mounts should be in the lvm |
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| 10:31.31 | atula | if I were to create a file server, print server, dns, web and vcs. all my file saving should be saved in a mount outside of the OS drive. should I still separate /home out ? |
| 10:31.48 | alcohol | depends on how you plan to use /home ? |
| 10:31.50 | atula | and with that setup, what other directory should be separate out ? |
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| 10:32.00 | atula | I don't think I will be using /home much |
| 10:32.17 | NotInternat | i use /home for everything |
| 10:32.28 | NotInternat | ie my file server mounts to /home/public |
| 10:32.42 | NotInternat | actually it mounts to /home/share/public |
| 10:32.58 | NotInternat | all comes down to preference |
| 10:33.06 | alcohol | I usually use /var/www for web stuff |
| 10:33.31 | alcohol | coffee time |
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| 10:33.47 | NotInternat | /home/hosting for my web hosting stuff |
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| 10:34.52 | tholl583xx | hi |
| 10:35.11 | tholl583xx | are there any tools for rebuilding and repairing cciss raid arrays from command line for squeeze? |
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| 10:36.44 | dfdf | hi, i edited the line net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 in /etc/sysctl.conf and still /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward shows 0 after reboot |
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| 10:36.46 | dfdf | why? |
| 10:36.58 | dfdf | *i mean i uncommented |
| 10:37.04 | dfdf | that line |
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| 10:40.14 | qwd | Can someone tell me why the disk at line 14 won't mount for my user, but only for root? http://debian.pastebin.com/brtviuUV I've added "user" to the option, shouldn't that be enough? |
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| 10:44.18 | qwd | Also, in the left panel in Nautilus (Places) I have 2,0 TB LVM2 Physical Volume (this is the new drive I'm trying to mount), 31 GB Filessystem (this is my Windows partition) and 468 GB Unrecognized (this is my /home partition). Why is The home partition showing up as unrecognized when clearly I can use it? |
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| 10:49.01 | AlexC_ | morning |
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| 10:49.33 | AlexC_ | I am wanting to setup my own apt repository, though not sure how. The guides I've seen are from 2001-2004, and I'm guesing things have changed since then. Does anyone have a guide to doing this? |
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| 10:50.12 | bazik | hello, can anyone tell me when the daily built amd64 isos will be available again? thx |
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| 10:50.49 | stew | bazik: try #debian-boot on irc.debian.org or http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot |
| 10:50.50 | themill | dpkg: tell AlexC_ about reprepro |
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| 10:51.23 | bazik | stew: thx |
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| 10:51.36 | NotInternat | qwd: what error do you get? |
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| 10:52.22 | AlexC_ | themill: most good, thanks |
| 10:52.51 | themill | no worries. Takes a little fiddling to get started but mostly looks after itself from then on |
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| 10:58.07 | foetus | this pidgin 2.6.6 works like a charme...*offtopic |
| 10:59.29 | foetus | but never tested the console client..maybe unstable |
| 11:00.36 | qwd | NotInternat: I don't think I get an error, it's just not mounted for me. I see it in Nautilus places but if I click it it asks me for my password. I see it in /disk but it belongs to root. |
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| 11:04.52 | fALSO | anyone can confirm me if their lftp binary is linked against libsocks? |
| 11:05.06 | fALSO | i've found a bug report of debian from 2004 STATING that it its |
| 11:05.08 | jelly | fALSO: which debian release are you after? |
| 11:05.11 | fALSO | but... by the looks of it |
| 11:05.15 | fALSO | im running stable |
| 11:05.23 | fALSO | and this is the bug report i found - http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=55464 |
| 11:05.36 | fALSO | stating that: THEY BELIEVE it works |
| 11:05.41 | fALSO | but they didnt test :( |
| 11:05.57 | abrotman | fALSO: ldd ? |
| 11:06.03 | fALSO | yes |
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| 11:06.09 | jelly | judd: depends lftp |
| 11:06.10 | judd | lftp -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libgcrypt11 (>= 1.4.0), libgnutls26 (>= 2.2.0-0), libgpg-error0 (>= 1.4), libncurses5 (>= 5.6+20071006-3), libreadline5 (>= 5.2), libtasn1-3 (>= 0.3.4), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4), netbase. |
| 11:06.17 | fALSO | mine isnt, thats why im asking |
| 11:06.42 | jelly | fALSO: the absence of a dependency is a strong hint it's not linked against it |
| 11:06.42 | babilen | fALSO: mine isn't as well (testing though) |
| 11:07.00 | fALSO | so that bugreport that i pasted, means nothing? |
| 11:07.06 | fALSO | closed without even testing? |
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| 11:07.43 | themill | fALSO: did you read through the bug log yourself? |
| 11:08.05 | jelly | fALSO: have you checked the changelog to see whether the support was removed afterwards |
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| 11:08.27 | jelly | lftp (3.0.2-2) unstable; urgency=low |
| 11:08.27 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:08.27 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:08.38 | fALSO | bleh |
| 11:08.50 | themill | also "Bug Marked as found in versions lftp/3.0.2-2 and reopened. Request was from Jakub Wilk <ubanus@users.sf.net> to control@bugs.debian.org. (Fri, 27 Nov 2009 17:48:12 GMT)" from the bug log you pasted. |
| 11:08.54 | fALSO | so there isnt any console ftp client that supports socks proxy for Debian |
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| 11:09.36 | Guest45731 | Hello, I have a small issue on a remote server. The server is stuck on "booting from local disk.." |
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| 11:10.27 | Guest45731 | I tried installing the grub-loader to the OS partition (sda1) by running grub-install /dev/sda1 but the server still wont boot |
| 11:11.26 | jelly | Guest45731: you'll need a working MBR code as well. If this is the only OS instance, install grub to /dev/sda |
| 11:11.31 | abrotman | wouldn't you want to install grub to sda ? |
| 11:11.55 | Guest45731 | jelly, abrotman: hmm, ok I will try that |
| 11:12.10 | mertin | Hi. I don't know if there's anyone here from yesterday. I wanted to remove some native apps from gnome, and someone here suggested unmarkauto. The thing is that it did nothing. After I did unmarkauto to evolution (for example) it still wanted to carry the "gnome" package with it upon remove. DId I miss something? |
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| 11:13.35 | jelly | mertin: it's possible whoever suggested that was just wrong |
| 11:13.52 | jelly | or you misinterpreted the suggestion |
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| 11:15.11 | mertin | it sounded right. Maybe I don't understand the use of unmarkauto. What I understood is that unmarkauto makes a package lose relation and ties to all other packages it's associated with. So if you then try to remove it, it won't carry all the previous dependecies with it |
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| 11:15.32 | mertin | does anyone here know the use of that command for sure? |
| 11:15.56 | abrotman | that'd be me? |
| 11:16.02 | abrotman | !unmarkauto |
| 11:16.02 | dpkg | Is aptitude or apt-get trying to remove packages that it thinks were automatically installed? This happens when you "aptitude install gnome" and then later remove bits of it, the gnome meta-package will be uninstalled and aptitude will try to remove lots more. Fix this by running "aptitude install packagename" or "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" on strategically chosen packages, or reinstall the <metapackage>. |
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| 11:16.28 | abrotman | mertin: which package did you unmarkauto ? |
| 11:16.32 | mertin | evolution |
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| 11:16.42 | mertin | but I think it does the same thing with all others |
| 11:16.45 | abrotman | and now wheny ou try to remove it? put it in a pastebin |
| 11:16.49 | mertin | rhythmbox, |
| 11:17.09 | mertin | when I try to remove it it's like I never did unmarkauto |
| 11:17.21 | mertin | It warns me that it will remove "gnome" package as well |
| 11:17.44 | mertin | and if I press "y" then it warns me one last time listing all the apps that will be erased, wich is like a thousand |
| 11:17.50 | mertin | I mean a really long list |
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| 11:18.22 | mertin | that's the exact behaviour as in normal conditions |
| 11:18.27 | abrotman | mertin: aptitude search evolution .. what are the characters to the left of the name? |
| 11:18.29 | Guest45731 | jelly: still not booting, installed grub to /dev/sda |
| 11:18.53 | Guest45731 | the disks are fine, I have done fsck and they mount properly too in rescue mode |
| 11:19.09 | petern_ | ah, the joys of dependencies |
| 11:19.32 | mertin | sorry I'm not at my netbook right now, I can look that up this afternoon |
| 11:19.39 | mertin | but I guess it would be "ii" |
| 11:19.49 | themill | mertin: no... |
| 11:19.50 | qwd | Ok, I just edited fstab to http://debian.pastebin.com/2y5cfyPR (changed options on line 14 from defaults,user to what it is now) and I'm still not getting this disk mounted for the user. Only for root. It asks me for password during startup just as for the home disk (they're both encrypted) so that part works fine. |
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| 11:20.39 | Guest45731 | the OS in on /dev/sda1, grub-install /dev/sda gave me: |
| 11:20.44 | Guest45731 | Check if this is correct or not. If any of the lines is incorrect,fix it and re-run the script `grub-install'. |
| 11:20.44 | Guest45731 | (hd0) /dev/sda |
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| 11:21.01 | abrotman | Guest45731: which version of grub is this? dpkg -l grub* |
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| 11:21.42 | mertin | has anyone here used unmarkauto so you can explain it to me? |
| 11:21.50 | Guest45731 | abrotman: give me a few secs, I need to wait 10 mins before putting the server on rescue again |
| 11:21.51 | qwd | What am I doing wrong? Do I also need to mount the drive itself and not just the logical volume? Do I need to mount the physical volume (lvm)? |
| 11:21.52 | mertin | I googled it but didn't find much |
| 11:22.22 | abrotman | mertin: it's been explained to you .. you're going to need access to the machine to give us package states |
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| 11:22.59 | mertin | ok talk to you later |
| 11:23.00 | mertin | thanks |
| 11:23.12 | mertin | still I'm sure its listed as "ii" |
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| 11:24.03 | abrotman | it is definitely not "ii" |
| 11:24.18 | mertin | ok |
| 11:24.26 | abrotman | aptitude doesn't have an "ii" state |
| 11:24.31 | Gijs | Can anybody (still) help me? |
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| 11:24.51 | Gijs | libsqlite3.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 11:25.05 | Guest45731 | try ldconfig |
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| 11:25.29 | abrotman | Gijs: did you try apt-file to look for the file in your packages available? |
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| 11:25.54 | Gijs | no i didnt |
| 11:25.59 | jelly | abrotman: he's trying to make a third-party i386 binary work on amd64 |
| 11:26.08 | jelly | missing 32bit libs |
| 11:26.13 | abrotman | that should go well ;) |
| 11:26.29 | abrotman | Gijs: considered an i386 chroot? |
| 11:26.41 | Gijs | what is that? |
| 11:26.47 | Guest45731 | abrotman: I mounted /dev/sda1 to /mnt, then chrooted to it and found the grub version to be 0.97-47lenny2 |
| 11:27.43 | abrotman | Gijs: google "Debian amd64 chroot" .. alioth should be near the top, see the IA32 chroot section |
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| 11:28.09 | Gijs | well what is it? |
| 11:28.38 | Guest45731 | abrotman? |
| 11:29.30 | themill | Gijs: please at least take the time to try to find things out for yourself. You're here to learn how to do things for you. You probably can't afford our consultancy rates to do everything for you⦠:) |
| 11:29.32 | jelly | Gijs: it's a way to have a separate 32bit installation contained in a single directory (a "chroot"), where you can run 32bit apps and install more 32bit packages |
| 11:29.34 | abrotman | Guest45731: so it should just work .. is there something special about your setup ? |
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| 11:30.20 | Gijs | but i dont understand the point of that if i only need 1 file/package |
| 11:30.56 | jelly | Gijs: you have installed the wrong OS, a 64bit Debian. Your program does _not_ work on 64bit Debian. |
| 11:31.12 | Guest45731 | abrotman: no, there is a second disk which is mounted on /home2, nothing special, it used to work all this time, suddenly the server stopped working and the staff at the provider mentioned the boot loader was not working due the the server being stuck on "booting from local disk" and they gave me kvm access, I tried restoring grub to sda but still nothing, any ideas? |
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| 11:31.17 | mertin | here's an idea, maybe I can try |
| 11:31.19 | mertin | "aptitude unmarkauto '~sgnome'" to mark all Gnome packages as manually |
| 11:31.20 | mertin | installed. |
| 11:31.20 | sep | Gijs, unless it's available for 64 bith tho... who knows |
| 11:31.25 | jelly | Gijs: you are offered suggestions on how to work around that issue. |
| 11:31.28 | Guest45731 | provider's* |
| 11:31.43 | abrotman | mertin: we already said, we want the package state of evolution .. come back when you have access to that machine |
| 11:31.47 | themill | mertin: you would normally want to unmarkauto gnome-desktop-environment or similar |
| 11:31.52 | abrotman | Guest45731: it should just work |
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| 11:32.07 | Guest45731 | abrotman: I can give you root access, mind taking a look? |
| 11:32.17 | mertin | well there you go, its similar. So I can try aptitude unmarkauto gnome |
| 11:32.20 | mertin | just like that |
| 11:32.20 | abrotman | i will not ssh to your machine |
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| 11:33.10 | mertin | still, I don't want to be annoying. I'll come back later today with the package state of evolution |
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| 11:34.23 | Guest45731 | is something wrong with the device map? it states "(hd0) /dev/sda" and the menu.lst line for the kernel shows "root (hd0,0)", when I edit the device.map file with hd 0,0 and then reinstall grub it throws an error |
| 11:36.12 | jelly | Guest45731: that device.map is ok. (hd0) is grub's syntax for first disk seen by BIOS; it usually corresponds to /dev/sda |
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| 11:37.06 | themill | mertin: unmarkauto gnome isn't going to achieve anything. |
| 11:37.21 | mertin | oh, ok, thanks |
| 11:37.36 | mertin | but you said you would normally want to unmarkauto gnome-desktop-environment or similar |
| 11:38.16 | stew | gnome doesn't have any reverse depends though |
| 11:38.32 | stew | whereas g-d-e has gnome as a reverse depends |
| 11:38.40 | abrotman | mertin: gnome-desktop-environment is the actual package that depends on evolution |
| 11:38.46 | abrotman | gnome depends on g-d-e |
| 11:39.11 | mertin | when I installed I installed "gnome" wich it says its even more than g-d-e |
| 11:39.22 | mertin | not sure if related |
| 11:39.32 | abrotman | yes, it is .. it depends on g-d-e and many other packages |
| 11:39.46 | abrotman | judd: depends gnome |
| 11:39.47 | judd | gnome -- depends: gnome-desktop-environment (= 1:2.22.2~5), gdm-themes, gnome-themes-extras, gnome-games (>= 1:2.22.2), libpam-gnome-keyring (>= 2.22.2), gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly (>= 0.10.8), gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg (>= 0.10.4), rhythmbox (>= 0.11.5), synaptic (>= 0.62), system-config-printer (>= 1.0.0), totem-mozilla, swfdec-mozilla, epiphany-extensions, evolution-plugins (>= 2.22.2), evolution- |
| 11:39.49 | judd | exchange (>= 2.22.2), evolution-webcal (>= 2.21.92), gnome-spell (>= 1.0.4), serpentine, gnome-app-install, transmission-gtk, bluez-gnome, gnome-vfs-obexftp, arj, p7zip, avahi-daemon. |
| 11:39.49 | mertin | but why then, when I try to remove evolution, it warns me about remove gnome |
| 11:39.52 | mertin | instead of g-d-e |
| 11:39.58 | themill | mertin: right. gnome is more stuff than g-d-e. So you want to keep g-d-e and not gnome. "unmarkauto" means to keep the package and not try to automagically remove it on you. |
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| 11:40.12 | abrotman | he wants to remove evolution |
| 11:40.16 | mertin | yes I know |
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| 11:40.51 | mertin | but I dont understand why not keep gnome, and why is it so different from g-d-e. |
| 11:41.01 | mertin | I mean |
| 11:41.15 | mertin | why unmarkauto g-d-e is so different from unmarkauto gnome |
| 11:41.23 | mertin | regarding the removal of evolutino |
| 11:41.46 | mertin | noting that when I try to remove evolution it warns me about gnome, not g-d-e |
| 11:41.53 | Guest45731 | jelly: you mentioned that the MBR needs to exist too, I have installed the grub loader, is there any other thing needed to be done for the MBR? |
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| 11:42.49 | abrotman | mertin: this is why we asked for the package state |
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| 11:43.49 | mertin | ok talk to you later, you better be here! hehe. btw, this irc channel is great. Keep up the good work |
| 11:44.03 | mertin | all help is greatly appreciated |
| 11:44.05 | jelly | Guest45731: that's pretty much it |
| 11:44.17 | abrotman | makes sure themill will be here later ... or else! |
| 11:44.43 | themill | hides behind stew |
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| 11:45.16 | abrotman | hehe |
| 11:45.23 | themill | !!1! |
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| 11:47.53 | mr | hi |
| 11:48.21 | mr | marix |
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| 11:49.55 | Guest45731 | jelly: seems like the only option is to format the server I assume? |
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| 11:52.27 | Keal | http://pastebin.com/0R58sQEL If this pastebin doesn't kill opensource and the internet across the globe I don't know what will. Last similar pastebin caused China to damn near firebomb Google out of their country. |
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| 11:52.50 | csanyipal | Hi, |
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| 11:54.08 | abrotman | Keal: please try to keep it on-topic in the future, you've been given a 10 minute timeout |
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| 11:55.08 | greenmang0 | hello friends, i am trying to install redmine on debian stable (5.0.5) following instructions on redmine wiki page |
| 11:55.11 | greenmang0 | http://www.redmine.org/wiki/Redmine/HowTo_Install_Redmine_in_a_home_directory_on_Debian |
| 11:55.38 | greenmang0 | when i do "gem install -i $GEM_PATH rails -y" |
| 11:55.47 | greenmang0 | i get error |
| 11:55.49 | Loady | hi does anyone else have network issues with xen-hypervisor-4.0-amd64 and 2.6.32-5-xen-amd64. lots packet drops on the vif interfaces. no errors in logs and tcp checksum is off. work arounds? |
| 11:55.49 | greenmang0 | i18n requires RubyGems version >= 1.3.6 |
| 11:56.12 | greenmang0 | but I have rubygems1.8 installed |
| 11:56.20 | squisher | hey folks, I'm trying to create an installer component. Does someone have a pointer for me to docs on the db_* functions (db_progress, db_subst & friends)? |
| 11:56.23 | greenmang0 | what to do? any pointers? |
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| 11:58.29 | TZug | why does outb( 0xff, 0x378 ) have no affect on the pins on my lpt port? |
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| 12:06.59 | squisher | ah, it's debconf... I can't find a tutorial newer than one from 2000... is that still up-to-date? |
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| 12:27.37 | StucKman | I have a script for creating disk (not just partitions) images, install debian with debootstrap, including a kernel and grub (1 or 2). sometimes (I really can't pin in which ocassions) if I run the image with qemu or virtualbox, I start getting errors from the disk controller, which is impossible. any ideas what can be wrong? the script is this one: http://pastebin.lugmen.org.ar/6214 |
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| 12:27.53 | Lucian | is it debian better then ubuntu what should i chose? |
| 12:28.04 | tarzeau | Lucian: to do what? |
| 12:28.07 | abrotman | you're in #debian, we'll say that it's better :) |
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| 12:28.11 | StucKman | Lucian: only you can decide that. try them |
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| 12:28.14 | streuner | Lucian: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 12:28.25 | Lucian | normal desktop activities |
| 12:28.29 | abrotman | Debian will be fine |
| 12:28.38 | StucKman | Lucian: still, we can't decide for you |
| 12:28.39 | tarzeau | ubuntu has later software |
| 12:28.54 | abrotman | ubuntu has more bugs |
| 12:28.58 | abrotman | anyways .. |
| 12:29.06 | abrotman | Lucian: just try them both, decide for yourself |
| 12:29.09 | StucKman | ubuntu is debian fedorized :) |
| 12:29.15 | tarzeau | StucKman: no |
| 12:29.21 | abrotman | anyways ... |
| 12:29.23 | tarzeau | StucKman: it's more like the other way around |
| 12:29.32 | abrotman | move along |
| 12:29.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | bored already |
| 12:29.54 | Lucian | fedora isn't just the free vers of red hat? |
| 12:29.54 | amanita_ | Lucian: Debian stable IS stable, but not the latest apps contained. Also you can always compile the newest GIMP or what you like to use on Debian |
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| 12:30.17 | tarzeau | amanita_: have fun compiling gimp! |
| 12:30.18 | abrotman | Lucian: Do you need help finding the installation media or installation guide? |
| 12:30.21 | thenthenio | Aptitude scores: higher is better or worse? |
| 12:30.23 | abrotman | tarzeau: are you done? |
| 12:30.27 | amanita_ | Tarzeau Already done, why? |
| 12:30.38 | crazyjd | I have a problem getting my debian web server to work |
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| 12:30.47 | tarzeau | abrotman: including gtk? |
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| 12:30.49 | abrotman | thenthenio: generally better |
| 12:30.52 | abrotman | tarzeau: knock it off |
| 12:30.54 | crazyjd | it works on my lan but outside networks cannot accesss my webserver |
| 12:31.00 | StucKman | Lucian: fedora is the bleeding edge version of redhat, but we're drifting away from subject here... |
| 12:31.01 | crazyjd | can anyone help |
| 12:31.01 | abrotman | thenthenio: you should still read what it's actually going to do |
| 12:31.02 | crazyjd | ?? |
| 12:31.03 | Lucian | installation guide |
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| 12:31.48 | abrotman | Lucian: for i386? amd64? |
| 12:31.57 | Lucian | to install debian i need to burn it on a dvd? |
| 12:31.59 | abrotman | Lucian: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
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| 12:32.03 | Lucian | i386 |
| 12:32.07 | tarzeau | StucKman: so is sid |
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| 12:32.09 | abrotman | Lucian: you can use a smaller netinst CD, or a USB drive if you choose |
| 12:32.17 | amanita_ | Tarzeau: I still use Lenny for programming and everyday use, with the newest gimp and it is fine. |
| 12:32.34 | Lucian | i get errors from installing from a usb |
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| 12:32.36 | StucKman | tarzeau: sid never imposed selinux on their users... |
| 12:32.36 | tarzeau | amanita_: the newest gimp in sid, or the newest gimp on gimp.org? |
| 12:32.41 | StucKman | or pulseaudio |
| 12:32.42 | StucKman | or... |
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| 12:32.52 | crazyjd | my debian webserver works only on my lan but outside requests are blocked ... what should I do... |
| 12:32.52 | dfdf | i can't start lighttpd says it can't bind to port 80 because it's already in use, but netstat -l --tcp shows no 80 port listening , i also ran nmap on 127.0.0.1 and shows no 80 port |
| 12:32.54 | dfdf | why? |
| 12:32.55 | StucKman | systemd is called? |
| 12:33.05 | amanita_ | tarzeau: from gimp org 2.6.10 compiled from source |
| 12:33.05 | abrotman | crazyjd: sounds like an issue with your firewall or router |
| 12:33.09 | om26er | when will evolution 2.31.90 upload to experimental? |
| 12:33.16 | abrotman | judd: versions evolution |
| 12:33.17 | judd | evolution -- etch: 2.6.3-6etch2; etch-security: 2.6.3-6etch2; lenny: 2.22.3.1-1; squeeze: 2.30.2-1; sid: 2.30.3-1 |
| 12:33.20 | tarzeau | om26er: ask its maintainer? |
| 12:33.27 | tarzeau | om26er: i wonder the same about gphoto2 |
| 12:33.28 | StucKman | crazyjd: did you setup dns correctly? |
| 12:33.28 | dfdf | i'm runnin debian squeeze |
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| 12:33.39 | abrotman | dfdf: fuser -n tcp 80 ? |
| 12:33.41 | crazyjd | abrotman: I have configured my router to portforward to my debian machine |
| 12:33.49 | streuner | tarzeau: you camera isnt supported yet? |
| 12:33.54 | crazyjd | ftp works from outside my network |
| 12:33.56 | thenthenio | abrotman: thanks! Yes, it is very difficult to understand... |
| 12:34.01 | om26er | tarzeau, 2.31.90 have goodies for netbooks ;-) |
| 12:34.04 | tarzeau | streuner: not with any debian version of gphoto2, but my own built versions work |
| 12:34.08 | amanita_ | tarzeau: http://tuxarena.blogspot.com/2009/03/how-to-compile-and-install-gimp-266-in.html |
| 12:34.14 | dfdf | abrotman, returns nothing |
| 12:34.14 | abrotman | thenthenio: yeah, not the best scoring system ever .. but it is what it is |
| 12:34.14 | tarzeau | dfdf: they broke it too? ubuntu broke it first |
| 12:34.18 | streuner | tarzeau: so why not make your own deb? |
| 12:34.26 | tarzeau | streuner: i did? |
| 12:34.33 | streuner | hehe, sure |
| 12:34.34 | tarzeau | streuner: bugs.debian.org/gphoto2 |
| 12:34.35 | dfdf | tarzeau, i don't know.. |
| 12:34.39 | crazyjd | StucKman How do I check for dns |
| 12:34.42 | dfdf | so it seems |
| 12:34.52 | StucKman | crazyjd: are you sure the web server is listening in all the interfaces, specially the one that goes to the router>? |
| 12:35.07 | StucKman | crazyjd: nevermind about dns, you asy ftp already works |
| 12:35.11 | StucKman | said* |
| 12:35.49 | dfdf | abrotman, so i'm sure nothing is runnin on port 80 still lighttpd after a fresh install says it can't bind to the port |
| 12:35.50 | crazyjd | StucKman my webserver listen's to port 80 only and it works only on my lan with the domain delsoft.delian.co.in I get output |
| 12:36.14 | tarzeau | dfdf: which version of lighttpd do you run? |
| 12:36.21 | tarzeau | dfdf: and did you check the bugs.d.o page yet? |
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| 12:36.31 | crazyjd | StucKman : have we to configure the /etc/hosts file too I'm unsure |
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| 12:37.11 | dfdf | tarzeau, check this out, i changed the server.port to 81 in lighttpd.conf and it started |
| 12:37.20 | StucKman | crazyjd: hmm, sec |
| 12:37.22 | dfdf | tarzeau, it just hates port 80 so it seems |
| 12:37.38 | crazyjd | StucKman: can we have a private chat its easier that way |
| 12:37.40 | tarzeau | dfdf: i told you what to do :) |
| 12:37.41 | dfdf | tarzeau, version 1.4.26 |
| 12:37.46 | amanita_ | which ubuntu is equal to Debian lenny in terms of overall software versions? Gnome, xfce, gimp version etc? |
| 12:37.46 | tarzeau | dfdf: and i got mine working on port 80 again |
| 12:38.06 | dfdf | tarzeau, so it's a bug? |
| 12:38.10 | tarzeau | amanita_: two years ago ubuntu |
| 12:38.24 | tarzeau | dfdf: it was one for me. that was 3 months ago |
| 12:38.25 | StucKman | crazyjd: not really, it may e messier, but you get more input |
| 12:38.29 | dfdf | tarzeau, what page is that bugs.d.o ? |
| 12:38.32 | amanita_ | tarzeau: exactly, and ubuntu was rather fast back in two years like Lenny |
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| 12:38.40 | StucKman | crazyjd: what exact error do you get? |
| 12:38.40 | tarzeau | dfdf: bugs.debian.org/lighttpd ? |
| 12:38.51 | dfdf | tarzeau, oh |
| 12:38.55 | dfdf | ok |
| 12:38.57 | dfdf | thanks |
| 12:38.58 | tarzeau | amanita_: i don't get what you want to tell? |
| 12:39.07 | abrotman | Ubuntu is offtopic, please take it elsewhere |
| 12:39.27 | jelly | amanita_: something like 8.04 - 9.04, |
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| 12:40.35 | amanita_ | tarzeau: an old long term support ubuntu is as good as Lenny. |
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| 12:40.40 | abrotman | Ubuntu is offtopic, please take it elsewhere |
| 12:40.46 | crazyjd | I don't get any error since I'm access from LAN |
| 12:40.47 | dfdf | tarzeau, so it basically says i should enable ipv6 ? |
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| 12:41.03 | crazyjd | my friends are unable to reach to the server |
| 12:41.07 | StucKman | crazyjd: what exact error do you get? |
| 12:41.12 | dfdf | tarzeau, i just blacklisted that because it's useless right now |
| 12:41.24 | crazyjd | StucKman: I don't get any error |
| 12:41.28 | StucKman | crazyjd: no, I mean, from the outside |
| 12:41.47 | crazyjd | StucKman |
| 12:41.57 | crazyjd | StucKman: cannot be displayed |
| 12:42.08 | StucKman | not an actual error |
| 12:42.09 | tarzeau | amanita_: why are you telling me? this is #debian and i didn't ask for such an answer nor did i say something's bad about it |
| 12:42.17 | StucKman | delsoft.delian.co.in, you said, right? |
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| 12:42.22 | crazyjd | yeah |
| 12:42.39 | crazyjd | do you need my public IP |
| 12:44.04 | StucKman | nmap can't ping it |
| 12:44.19 | crazyjd | FTP works |
| 12:44.22 | amanita_ | tarzeau: sorry, I thought you were the other guy |
| 12:44.36 | crazyjd | perfectly |
| 12:44.42 | crazyjd | do you want to try that out |
| 12:45.06 | StucKman | crazyjd: it's taking its time... |
| 12:46.28 | crazyjd | stuckman: what should I do? any ideas |
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| 12:48.43 | StucKman | crazyjd: yah, I only see ftp open from here. are you sure you applied the correct settings in your router? |
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| 12:50.38 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 12:55.58 | ksk | hello debian |
| 12:56.47 | themill | Compgenius999: stop ircing as root |
| 12:58.00 | crazyjd | stuckman yeah |
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| 13:02.08 | StucKman | crazyjd: you can try to see if the packets are even trying to reach your manchine with tcpdump |
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| 13:08.20 | crazyjd | stuckman: how do I do that? |
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| 13:09.20 | StucKman | crazyjd: sudo tcpdump -i eth0 port 80 and try acessing from the outside |
| 13:09.27 | StucKman | (or somethign like that) |
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| 13:16.02 | Led_Zeppelin | when setting quotas on a ext3 filesystem for users. Is it possible to set it for all users? instead of doing it by 1 user at a time? |
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| 13:18.55 | jayeola | hey chaps. which package does one install, collectd or collectd-core? |
| 13:19.07 | Ramla | is there no more mirrors for etch or what is wrong? |
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| 13:20.06 | abrotman | !tell Ramla about ado |
| 13:20.25 | themill | Ramla: /topic |
| 13:21.06 | Ramla | oh yeah, sorry |
| 13:21.33 | Ramla | and thanks |
| 13:21.50 | themill | Ramla: no worries. etch is well past its use-by date now... it's really time to upgrade to lenny. |
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| 13:23.04 | mr | hi |
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| 13:23.24 | abrotman | mr mr? |
| 13:23.36 | mr | yes |
| 13:23.41 | abrotman | like the band? |
| 13:23.56 | mr | ya |
| 13:24.22 | mr | were r from? |
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| 13:29.24 | Led_Zeppelin | instead of doing edquota -u username for each user on the system, is it possible to place it for ALL users? |
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| 13:34.17 | mae_tae | people, what is that hostname being referred in HOSTS file, is that the ip address/name of the webserver? or the name server? |
| 13:34.38 | stockholm | is there a way to update *only* openssl, and only if it is installed? |
| 13:35.02 | mae_tae | people, what is that hostname being referred in HOSTS file, is that the ip address/name of the webserver? or the name server? |
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| 13:37.51 | abrotman | stockholm: aptitude install openssl ? |
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| 13:38.09 | Wipped | Hello, Is it possible to have internet while your connected to a VPN server? |
| 13:38.17 | iceroot | Wipped: sure |
| 13:38.47 | Wipped | iceroot: do you know a tut or something what says how i can make thet |
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| 13:39.24 | iceroot | Wipped: nothing to do, just check that the routes are set correctly which is normally the case |
| 13:39.30 | stockholm | abrotman: that would install openssl even if it wasnt installed before |
| 13:39.45 | iceroot | Wipped: you still have eth0 and a route on that device, also you have tun or something like that with a route to the vpn network |
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| 13:40.02 | Wipped | iceroot: but when i connect with my windows 7 pc to my vpn server my internet is gone |
| 13:40.29 | Wipped | or is that because my server doesnt allow it? |
| 13:40.31 | iceroot | Wipped: but we are speaking about linux as a client, not windows |
| 13:40.39 | Wipped | :O |
| 13:40.44 | Wipped | i meen linux server |
| 13:40.49 | Wipped | windows client |
| 13:41.11 | iceroot | Wipped: the client is managing the devices and the routes |
| 13:41.36 | Wipped | iceroot: so it is because of windows that i have no inet? |
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| 13:44.42 | DaDa` | Led_Zeppelin: Use a prototype user and clone, like: edquota -p protouser <usernames_file, or an awk script to extract the relevant user names from /etc/passwd |
| 13:45.05 | oznt | hi guys, not strictly a debian quesion, but i'll try anyway |
| 13:45.17 | Led_Zeppelin | DaDa`, I see, I wanted to avoid using that. I have many users on 1 system. Close to 300 users. Would that impact performance? |
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| 13:46.35 | Led_Zeppelin | DaDa`, Also, I suppose running checkquota hourly is a bad idea? :-) |
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| 13:46.41 | oznt | i'm trying to make python print "3.3e3" and the following "print '%1.1e' % 3.3E3" gives "3.3e+03", does someone know how to do it ? |
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| 13:49.46 | jelly | Led_Zeppelin: quotacheck remounts the system read-only. You don't want to do that on a live system, nor should you need to. |
| 13:50.02 | Led_Zeppelin | jelly, i see. thanks |
| 13:50.56 | themill | oznt: no way that I know of -- #python would be a better place to ask. |
| 13:51.13 | jelly | Led_Zeppelin: normally the data is updated on-the-fly after the quotas are enabled, and they get enabled at boot time if fstab contains options for quota on the filesystems in question |
| 13:51.32 | Led_Zeppelin | jelly, good to know. |
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| 13:51.46 | oznt | themill, i tried there, seems pretty quite there ... |
| 13:51.51 | abrotman | stockholm: and what's wrong with the normal upgrade? |
| 13:51.52 | Led_Zeppelin | having hundreds of users to the quotas won't impact performance, would it? |
| 13:51.57 | themill | oznt: it's not normally. patience ;) |
| 13:51.59 | Led_Zeppelin | hey abrotman |
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| 13:53.17 | stockholm | abrotman: that there is stuff that i dont want installed |
| 13:53.53 | Wipped | IceRoot: It works now |
| 13:53.54 | DaDa` | Led_Zeppelin: Performance: test it. You can always quotaoff if it's a problem. Never seen it as a problem, though. YMMV |
| 13:53.55 | stockholm | what is a good command to see weather or not a given package is installed? |
| 13:54.04 | themill | dpkg: tell stockholm about installed test |
| 13:54.06 | iceroot | stockholm: dpkg -l package |
| 13:54.12 | themill | wonders what stockholm is really trying to do here |
| 13:54.43 | stockholm | themill: that is not optimal |
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| 13:55.19 | themill | wonders what "that" is, what "optimal" means and wtf stockholm is not about |
| 13:55.19 | stockholm | themill: i need to grep or cut or awk and stuff to see if it is installed or not |
| 13:55.38 | abrotman | hi Led_Zeppelin |
| 13:55.47 | stockholm | themill: i have a couple of hundret servers, quite different setups and all remote. |
| 13:56.02 | abrotman | stockholm: ah okay .. |
| 13:56.11 | abrotman | can you give upgrade a parameter? |
| 13:56.26 | stockholm | themill: now i am trying to cook up a puppet recepy that will only install openssl if openssl is installed on that machine already |
| 13:56.27 | themill | stockholm: and why are there packages that you don't want updated? |
| 13:56.51 | abrotman | aptitude install '~i~nopenssl', would that only install a package if it is currently installed and named openssl ? |
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| 13:57.07 | stockholm | themill: because we have home grown software in debian repositories, too, and i dont want to do any stunts with those |
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| 13:57.50 | themill | stockholm: sounds like you need some better pinning and a better release/repo management process then. |
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| 13:58.17 | manixor | hi all |
| 13:58.18 | manixor | test |
| 13:58.22 | stockholm | themill: that would help, too |
| 13:58.47 | abrotman | stockholm: what i typed above seems to work |
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| 13:59.07 | abrotman | stockholm: the search pattern will only return 'openssl' if it is installed |
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| 13:59.42 | abrotman | stockholm: though it would pull in deps if they did exist also |
| 13:59.47 | themill | it will also change from automatically installed to manually installed should that worry you |
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| 14:01.06 | stockholm | no, that is fine |
| 14:01.19 | abrotman | would it definitely do that? |
| 14:01.21 | themill | it's quite probably libssl0.9.8 that you want to be upgrading in any case. |
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| 14:03.49 | Raptors | Hey guys is there a way to install the sleep applet on the panel? |
| 14:03.54 | stockholm | themill: yes, its a few packages |
| 14:04.03 | Raptors | like to toggle off screen saver |
| 14:04.22 | Raptors | it was there but after an update a while ago it got removed :( |
| 14:04.44 | Raptors | and its not in the "add to panel" menu anymore either |
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| 14:05.26 | Raptors | I'm talking about gnome-panel applet |
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| 14:07.04 | themill | abrotman: I thought so... "aptitude install foo" used to be the thing to do before unmarkauto existed. But perhaps that's vague memories back to etch. Seems not to do that now in lenny. *shrug* |
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| 14:07.48 | abrotman | themill: yay! |
| 14:08.31 | pallgone | Raptors: what does the sleep applet do? |
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| 14:08.40 | abrotman | let's you put the system to sleep? |
| 14:08.48 | Raptors | not really sleep |
| 14:08.56 | Raptors | it disables powersave |
| 14:08.56 | abrotman | hibernate? |
| 14:09.11 | Raptors | so monitor doesn't go to screensaver |
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| 14:09.41 | pallgone | Raptors: ah so you can watch the pirated movie? |
| 14:09.54 | Raptors | what pirated movie? |
| 14:10.02 | pallgone | joke... |
| 14:10.09 | Raptors | lol fail joke |
| 14:11.08 | pallgone | hmm, such an applet wouldn't be too bad, how was it called exactly? |
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| 14:11.55 | Raptors | I'm not sure... |
| 14:12.10 | abrotman | probably something to suspend the screensaver |
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| 14:12.17 | Raptors | it should be pretty obvious if you go to add to panel menu |
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| 14:12.55 | pallgone | ah, inhibit applet probably |
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| 14:13.16 | Raptors | yup |
| 14:13.30 | Raptors | it actually was in my add to panel menu :| |
| 14:13.56 | fdsfsd | http://pro.revenge.lv PRO.REVENGE.LV:27015 cs 1.6 JOIN JOIN!!! |
| 14:14.58 | foetus | :-D |
| 14:15.14 | pallgone | Raptors: and it's gone for you? |
| 14:16.05 | madi | hi all, i'm trying to install the nvidia drivers on my laptop, and nvidia suggest to install linux-headers-2.6.32-trunk-amd64 as header but... this package does not exist,,, does it? |
| 14:16.33 | pallgone | madi: do you follow the wiki? |
| 14:16.48 | jordanm | madi: your kernel is terribly out of date |
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| 14:17.23 | abrotman | madi: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-amd64 .. then reboot, choose the -5- kernel, then remove the -trunk- kernel |
| 14:17.27 | madi | jordanm, my kernel is the last kernel of squeeze i suppose |
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| 14:17.48 | jordanm | madi: no, its not |
| 14:18.03 | themill | ,kernels --release squeeze |
| 14:18.04 | pallgone | madi: uname -r |
| 14:18.05 | judd | Available kernel versions are: squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-20) |
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| 14:18.32 | madi | pallgone, 2.6.32-trunk-amd |
| 14:18.38 | madi | pallgone, 2.6.32-trunk-amd64 |
| 14:18.55 | Raptors | <pallgone> Raptors: and it's gone for you? |
| 14:18.58 | Raptors | no it was there |
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| 14:19.04 | pallgone | madi: yup, that's outdated... |
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| 14:19.18 | pallgone | Raptors: you can't add it anymore? |
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| 14:19.44 | pallgone | anyway, for nvidia follow the wiki here: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 14:19.52 | Raptors | I can add it but I kept missing it because I changed my theme and the icon changed :| |
| 14:20.03 | madi | thanks everybody |
| 14:20.08 | Raptors | thanks for your help :) |
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| 14:22.11 | pallgone | madi: I have configured a few nvidia systems lately with squeeze so ask me if you are stuck |
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| 14:23.29 | madi | thanks a lot pallgone |
| 14:24.01 | pallgone | Raptors: handy applet, thanks for mentioning :) |
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| 14:27.37 | hdtdi | i want my default browser to be iceweasel but when i write update-alternatives --config x-www-browser and i choose iceweasel its still conqueror |
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| 14:28.15 | Armageddon | hdtdi, you can choose that with preferred application if you use gnome |
| 14:28.15 | hdtdi | any ideas how to make iceweasel default browser ? |
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| 14:28.23 | hdtdi | Armageddon, i use kde |
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| 14:28.49 | themill | hdtdi: kde control centre has a preferred applications thing too |
| 14:28.50 | Armageddon | hdtdi, I don't know about KDE but search for something like that |
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| 14:30.11 | pallgone | hdtdi: isn't there an option --config kde-www-browser? I have gnome... has that |
| 14:30.14 | themill | hdtdi: Control Centre â KDE Components â Component Chooser â Web Browser. I prefer the "In an application based on the contents" option personally. |
| 14:30.33 | themill | pallgone: no |
| 14:31.18 | Armageddon | hdtdi, like themill said, Kcontrol -> KDE Components -> Component Chooser -> Web Browser -> choose Firefox/Iceweasel (or enter the command). |
| 14:31.39 | pallgone | themill: very well, kde isn't my thing |
| 14:31.43 | Armageddon | hdtdi, this might help, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/iceweasel-as-default-browser-535313/ |
| 14:31.53 | hdtdi | themill, its working now :) thanks |
| 14:31.57 | hdtdi | thanks all |
| 14:32.01 | Armageddon | your welcome |
| 14:32.01 | themill | np |
| 14:32.55 | Armageddon | pallgone, any cool application for gnome ? |
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| 14:34.48 | pallgone | Armageddon: terminator |
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| 14:35.25 | foetus | must check my logs.. |
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| 14:37.35 | foetus | nice. |
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| 14:38.45 | foetus | i love this new pidgin. |
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| 14:39.35 | Armageddon | foetus, which version ? |
| 14:39.52 | Wipped | Hi, i have a debian vpn (pptp) server. And i want that if a client creates a game server that the others clients can join that server. I think it cant now because first client is in ppp0 and second in ppp1 etc |
| 14:39.55 | Wipped | help me |
| 14:40.06 | foetus | Armageddon: 2.6.6 |
| 14:40.29 | foetus | Armageddon: (not the newest) |
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| 14:41.27 | Armageddon | foetus, the new pidgin is 2.7.3 |
| 14:41.27 | Armageddon | nods to foetus |
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| 14:42.10 | foetus | Armageddon: read above. i know. |
| 14:42.23 | foetus | ;-) |
| 14:42.37 | demiurgen | I'm using full-disc encryption (luks) and use lvm. I have set this up manually, i.e. not used the installer's encryption guide, but I have set it up in the exact same way. my problem is that I can't swapon my (encrypted) swap partition |
| 14:42.46 | demiurgen | any hints of how I can debug this? |
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| 14:42.57 | demiurgen | swapon -v <device> says nothing |
| 14:43.30 | Armageddon | foetus, can't read above, I haven't been here long enough :) |
| 14:43.47 | Wipped | Hi, i have a debian vpn (pptp) server. And i want that if a client creates a game server that the others clients can join that server. I think it cant now because first client is in ppp0 and second in ppp1 etc. So is there a posability to make client 1 (192.168.100.130) make able to ping client 2 (192.168.100.131)? |
| 14:43.54 | demiurgen | if I try to mount the device it fails, stating that it's a swap device, because I have of course run mkswap on it |
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| 14:45.39 | foetus | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:46.10 | Armageddon | foetus, thanks for the update |
| 14:46.24 | foetus | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:46.42 | Armageddon | foetus, I never liked empathy, btw what's the debian chat channel ? |
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| 14:48.03 | thewanderer1 | demiurgen: decrypt the partition first (luksOpen), then use swapon... |
| 14:50.42 | foetus | no time for kidding here :) |
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| 14:52.21 | foetus | till later bye |
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| 14:53.25 | ^Willie^ | hmm debootstrap works verry nice |
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| 14:56.13 | demiurgen | thewanderer1: it's decrypted; just like when the debian installer sets it up, the root, swap, home etc. are all lvm volumes INSIDE the luks container. the luks container is decrypted |
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| 14:56.43 | thewanderer1 | demiurgen: do you have a valid swap space (mkswap) in there? |
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| 14:57.12 | demiurgen | thewanderer1: I've done mkswap /dev/mapper/crypt-swap |
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| 14:57.16 | demiurgen | so I suppose so |
| 14:57.16 | Delaya | is there any log file which records what files were removed with the <rm> command from terminal? |
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| 14:57.33 | TMM | Delaya, no, not if you don't use sudo anyway |
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| 14:57.46 | Digdilem | bash history may log the command, but not the files |
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| 14:57.55 | demiurgen | as I said, when I try to mount it, mount says it's a swap and thus doesn't want to mount it. so all seems proper, it's just swapon that doesn't do anything |
| 14:58.52 | Delaya | TMM: well i am admin |
| 14:58.56 | thewanderer1 | demiurgen: does swapon return an error or success code? swapon /dev/mapper/crypt-swap || echo FAIL |
| 14:59.11 | Delaya | TMM: so possible to do with sudo? |
| 14:59.35 | TMM | Delaya, if you do sudo rm <files> the command will get logged |
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| 14:59.39 | demiurgen | thewanderer1: no, it returns 0 |
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| 15:00.02 | thewanderer1 | Delaya: there is no in-system deletion log, sudo just logs all commands that one performs with sudo (sudo su gets around that), and if you exit the shell (bash), it will save history in ~/.bash_history |
| 15:00.02 | Digdilem | TMM, ditto bash history even without sudo |
| 15:00.05 | Delaya | TMM: ah, k |
| 15:00.30 | thewanderer1 | demiurgen: how do you know that it is not used, then? symptoms? |
| 15:00.42 | TMM | Digdilem, I think the sudo logfile should log the expanded commands |
| 15:01.16 | demiurgen | it's not listed in /proc/swaps or top. when memory is low the system slows down significantly |
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| 15:01.25 | Delaya | thewanderer1: so any way i can restore file i accidentally deleted with <rm *> while in root? |
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| 15:01.37 | Delaya | thewanderer1: files* |
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| 15:02.05 | thewanderer1 | Delaya: backup. or look at your disk raw data and try to read that... |
| 15:02.07 | shylent | you can restore them from the backup |
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| 15:02.11 | jordanm | desti: sure, restore you backup |
| 15:02.23 | TMM | Delaya, no, unless the filesystem is ext2, other than that you're pretty much hosed |
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| 15:02.46 | thewanderer1 | reading floppies is so much easier, only 1.44MB to browse through :P |
| 15:02.53 | jordanm | TMM: why ext2? because of the lack of journaling and less writes? |
| 15:03.08 | Delaya | its ext3 |
| 15:03.24 | thewanderer1 | jordanm: it's about the journal, and I can recall some utility that was said to support ext3 file recovery... |
| 15:03.29 | TMM | jordanm, ext2 doesn't zero inode information on delete, it just marks them 'unused' so you can do an undelete pretty much like you would on FAT |
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| 15:04.25 | TMM | thewanderer1, you can indeed do some level of undelete on ext3 by analyzing the journal, but that doesn't 'keep' well, and requires a lot of expertise. It's one of those things where 'if you have to ask...' :) |
| 15:04.27 | thewanderer1 | ext3 doesn't zero data either, but it mangles it otherwise |
| 15:04.43 | TMM | thewanderer1, it zeros INODES |
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| 15:04.54 | thewanderer1 | TMM: but not data blocks, right? |
| 15:05.12 | TMM | thewanderer1, not the data blocks no, but it makes finding the data blocks that belong to a file very, very difficult |
| 15:05.18 | thewanderer1 | anyway, this looks "promising", http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html |
| 15:05.55 | zinx | if it's a picture/video/music file, you may be able to use one of the filesystem-agnostic tools that find those |
| 15:06.24 | TMM | zinx, that only really works if the files weren't fragmented. |
| 15:06.31 | thewanderer1 | yeah... |
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| 15:06.44 | zinx | TMM: not sure that's true |
| 15:06.56 | Delaya | thewanderer1: yeh looks like a nice read |
| 15:07.11 | TMM | zinx, there's no way of knowing what data blocks belong to what picture if they aren't contiguous on disk. |
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| 15:07.22 | zinx | TMM: yes there is |
| 15:07.26 | TMM | zinx, for some formats it might not even be possible to determine what even WAS a data block |
| 15:07.29 | zinx | TMM: if you can decode the format |
| 15:07.41 | zinx | TMM: right, but for most compressed formats, it *IS* possible |
| 15:08.03 | zinx | mind you, i don't know if the utilities do this |
| 15:08.09 | TMM | you could try random free blocks in order and see if you can decode it |
| 15:08.13 | zinx | and it's going to take a /long time/ to recover them |
| 15:08.15 | zinx | if they do |
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| 15:08.40 | TMM | but for, say, jpeg you could have one valid block that contains all the header information, and then a couple of blocks of garbage and it would still decode fine |
| 15:08.57 | bint | hi there... anybody mounts debian in a virtual box under windows and knows how to set up a bridged network? |
| 15:09.11 | TMM | for zlib formats like png the situation is a tiny bit better, but zlib is also pretty forgiving |
| 15:09.11 | thewanderer1 | bint: nobody mounts Debian, it's not a horse :P |
| 15:09.44 | Digdilem | heh |
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| 15:10.46 | thewanderer1 | I don't know about bridging networks in Windows, you might have more luck asking in #windows, bint |
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| 15:11.17 | jordanm | more like #vbox |
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| 15:12.03 | thewanderer1 | perhaps... it should be automatic, at least it is under Debian |
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| 15:12.45 | jordanm | yep, just have to manually set the VM to use it |
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| 15:15.31 | demiurgen | I can't even make a swap file... |
| 15:15.36 | thenthenio | I updated etch to lenny, MTA refuses to start: the problem is: DEBCONFsomethingDEBCONF, bu during update I answered to keep exixting exim4.conf.template!!! What to do? |
| 15:16.17 | Chell | Hi all. Hope someone can help me. I've apt-got ntp/ntpdate, made ntp.conf, restarted ntp, but ntpq -p yields "No association ID's returned |
| 15:16.19 | jordanm | thenthenio: can you be more specific than "DEBCONFsomethingDEBCONF"? |
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| 15:16.33 | Chell | Anyone have a clue what I should do? |
| 15:16.43 | jordanm | has never had to edit ntp.conf |
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| 15:17.25 | ponyofdeath | ok question guys i added an raid card to my server. then i moved my two hdd's which were on linux software raid 1 to the raid card. then i created single drives in the bios of the raid card for each of the drives. now linux does not recognize the software raid. could i re-create the partition table and mount as an single ext4 drive or any other suggestions? |
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| 15:17.43 | thenthenio | jordanm: /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated.tmp contains many DEBCONFsomethingDEBCONF that I suppose they are from default config... |
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| 15:18.30 | thenthenio | Invalid new configfile /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated.tmp, not installing /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated.tmp to /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated |
| 15:18.51 | jordanm | you get that from what? dpkg reconfigure exim4-config? |
| 15:18.54 | madi_ | pallgone, me again. I have changed my kernel version and installed NVIDIA drivers, but the result is not so good as expected |
| 15:19.11 | pallgone | madi_: what method did you use? |
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| 15:19.35 | madi_ | ./NVIDIA..ecc..run |
| 15:19.46 | madi_ | ./NVIDIA..ecc..run pallgone |
| 15:19.50 | Armageddon | madi_, did you configure your nvidia drivers ? |
| 15:20.18 | jordanm | madi_: drivers from nvidia.com are not supported here |
| 15:20.26 | pallgone | madi_: so you didn't follow the debian wiki? |
| 15:20.26 | thenthenio | jordanm: I got it from aptitude full-upgrade |
| 15:20.27 | jordanm | !tell madi_ about nvidia |
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| 15:20.58 | jordanm | thenthenio: does that cause the upgrade to fail? |
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| 15:21.20 | madi_ | my point is that i want to come back to free drivers, that were better |
| 15:21.26 | madi_ | how can i do? |
| 15:21.50 | jordanm | madi_: ask #nvidia |
| 15:22.18 | jordanm | or perhaps just delete xorg.conf |
| 15:22.22 | petemc | thenthenio: remove dpkg-old files in /etc/exim4/ |
| 15:22.25 | jordanm | or edit.. |
| 15:22.27 | pallgone | madi_: do you have an xorg.conf? |
| 15:22.30 | TMM | madi_, did you install the nvidia drivers from deb files? |
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| 15:22.59 | madi_ | TMM no, from the NVIDIA website |
| 15:23.07 | TMM | the nvidia drivers *REPLACE* certain xorg files, you can't just go back to the free drivers without removing them and if they were not installed through deb files, reinstalling some xorg components |
| 15:23.21 | TMM | it's really quite nasty |
| 15:23.24 | Wipped | Hi, i have a pptp server. and when i connect to it i can ping the server but the server cant ping me. if someone else conect to the server it works. what is wrong help me |
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| 15:23.51 | thenthenio | jordanm: found some dependency issues, one is: dpkg: error processing exim4-base (--configure) |
| 15:23.57 | thewanderer1 | Wipped: firewall? |
| 15:24.03 | Wipped | is all off |
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| 15:24.29 | jordanm | thenthenio: thats not a depends issue, thats a failed to configure, likely do the error you posted before |
| 15:24.34 | thewanderer1 | Wipped: does the server have a route to you? |
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| 15:24.47 | madi_ | TMM that's why i'm here asking for help, i've passed my night installing, lost my network because i cannot use the network without the graphical interface |
| 15:24.51 | TMM | madi_, alright, in that case you need to apt-get install --reinstall libgl1-mesa-dri libgl1-mesa-glx libglu1-mesa libglw1-mesa |
| 15:24.52 | Wipped | i am ppp0 so, yes i think |
| 15:25.08 | thewanderer1 | Wipped: just check instead of guessing |
| 15:25.13 | jordanm | s/apt-get/aptitude/ |
| 15:25.22 | Wipped | wanderer: how can i check it? |
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| 15:25.34 | TMM | madi_, and remove the nvidia driver from /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers |
| 15:25.51 | thewanderer1 | Wipped: ip route show |
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| 15:25.55 | Wipped | k |
| 15:26.00 | jordanm | I recall that actually taking an "uninstall" arguement |
| 15:26.04 | thewanderer1 | Wipped: if your server is windows, then I have bad news for you... :P |
| 15:26.12 | jordanm | although, that could have been upstream fglrx |
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| 15:26.15 | TMM | madi_, make sure that you don't remove the 'nv' and 'nuveau' drivers though, otherwise you'll remove the free driver(s) :) |
| 15:26.35 | bint | whats again the command for downloading packages direct from the internet? when i go for apt-get install it's always asking for the cd |
| 15:26.42 | bint | but i kinda wanna have it straight from the internet |
| 15:26.56 | jordanm | bint: remove cd entries from /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 15:27.04 | jordanm | err sources.list, tab completion fail |
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| 15:27.08 | TMM | bint, remove the apt-cdrom lines from /etc/apt/sources.list and/or /etc/apt/sources.list.d |
| 15:27.24 | thewanderer1 | jordanm: you are correct, NVIDIA installer does accept an --uninstall argument |
| 15:27.31 | Wipped | wanderer: i dont know what happened but suddenly i can ping my pc from the server |
| 15:27.45 | TMM | thewanderer1, does it undo the damage it did to the mesa install? |
| 15:27.52 | thewanderer1 | Wipped: PPTP is a protocol that you should never use, it's like Schrodinger's cat... |
| 15:28.00 | thewanderer1 | TMM: probably |
| 15:28.10 | thenthenio | jordanm: I saw a problem with lilo, then: dpkg: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 - E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) - A package failed to install. Trying to recover: and then there is the DEBCONFsomethingDEBCONF problem reported... |
| 15:28.13 | Wipped | wanderer: what should i use then? |
| 15:28.14 | TMM | alright, it didn't used to do that |
| 15:28.17 | thewanderer1 | TMM: just to be sure, you should reinstall mesa afterwards, though :P |
| 15:28.27 | thewanderer1 | Wipped: OpenVPN or just SSH tunnelling if you can |
| 15:28.28 | bint | ah ok |
| 15:28.36 | bint | thx |
| 15:28.55 | madi_ | thanks TMM i'll try |
| 15:28.56 | themill | thenthenio: they aren't the actual error messages. the errors are earlier in the output. |
| 15:28.57 | Wipped | wanderer: i will see, thanks anyways |
| 15:29.11 | jordanm | thewanderer1: you should prbably just pastebin the full output |
| 15:29.17 | TMM | madi_, well, run the --uninstall first then as suggested by thewanderer1 before doing the steps I describe |
| 15:29.29 | pallgone | bint: here is a sources.list generator: http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ |
| 15:29.34 | thewanderer1 | jordanm: I think you meant someone else |
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| 15:31.06 | dkr | I upgraded a workstation from stable to testing and now I have a bunch of silly dirs in my ~ like Documents/My Music, Public, Videos. what made those? nautilus? (actually just found them defined in /etc/xdg/user-dirs.defaults, now to disable. heh |
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| 15:31.36 | TMM | dkr, yes, nautilus makes them on first startup |
| 15:31.46 | jordanm | thenthenio: you should prbably just pastebin the full output |
| 15:31.53 | jordanm | thewanderer1: yep, thanks |
| 15:32.09 | petemc | or just delete those dpkg-old files, which fixes the problem |
| 15:32.13 | thewanderer1 | dkr: GNOME makes them, they are configurable in ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs |
| 15:32.29 | thenthenio | themill: I'm afraid they have scrolled... After many Setting up packages the first error is: update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-6-686 - ERROR lilo fails for new /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-6-686... |
| 15:32.44 | Wipped | wanderer: i found openvpn tut but it says i have to apt-get install openvpn openssl liblzo1, but it says liblzo1 is no package what now? |
| 15:32.57 | bint | oh another question.. - i'm really new on this - if i edit sources.list.d with nano, there are some options like ^G for help ^X Exit - what's that ^ on my IBM-Keyboard? |
| 15:33.05 | Otizian | anyone having problem with mouse & keyboard becoming unresponsive? i'm using debian sid. |
| 15:33.15 | thewanderer1 | Wipped: you now investigate the source of the error (you're running experimental or what? :P) |
| 15:33.21 | thenthenio | Does Exim works both as SMTP and POP3 server? |
| 15:33.22 | jordanm | bint: control |
| 15:33.27 | dkr | thewanderer1: thanks. was just looking for name of conf file to override with |
| 15:33.32 | thewanderer1 | Wipped: hint: Ubuntu tutorials don't work with Debian all the time |
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| 15:34.02 | petemc | thenthenio: no, just smtp |
| 15:34.08 | amanita_ | thewanderer1: just replace sudo with (login as root)? |
| 15:34.25 | bint | thx Jordan_U |
| 15:34.30 | bint | jordanm |
| 15:34.36 | thewanderer1 | amanita_: no, Ubuntu is not Debian and package names and paths often differ, along with a lot of patches |
| 15:35.07 | TMM | petemc, I verified that the cisco serial cables will work with sun hardware too. Apparently rj45 serial cables are standardized |
| 15:35.32 | petemc | TMM: good job |
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| 15:35.42 | zinx | TMM: if only it were so easy. some might be the same, but i don't think they're standardized :/ |
| 15:35.46 | TMM | petemc, compared pinouts :) |
| 15:35.47 | jordanm | has used cisco serial cabels on various non-cisco equipment without problems |
| 15:36.33 | thenthenio | petemc: what is the process for POP3? |
| 15:36.46 | rb | hello people, i have a quick question, i'll go ahead and blurt it out and wait for the abusive response :D, why does the mysql-server package want exim installing too? |
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| 15:36.55 | petemc | thenthenio: dovecot is a popular pop3/imap server |
| 15:37.01 | TMM | zinx, well, pinouts of cisco, hp and sun rj45 serial cables were the same anyway... didn't check further |
| 15:37.52 | Armageddon | /wc/wc |
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| 15:38.04 | Otizian | does anyone know which package(s) might affect mouse+keyboard in X window environment? |
| 15:38.07 | thewanderer1 | rb: aptitude --without-recommends install mysql-server |
| 15:38.23 | rb | cheers thewanderer1 :) |
| 15:38.24 | thewanderer1 | rb, it wants it for logs or so |
| 15:38.36 | rb | heh well i'm setting it up to store logs in lol! |
| 15:38.42 | themill | rb: so the server can complain to you via email when you have corrupted tables; /msg dpkg why an mta |
| 15:39.14 | rb | cool :) |
| 15:39.17 | rb | thanks very much |
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| 15:39.56 | thenthenio | jordanm: how can I restart setup process? |
| 15:40.24 | tharkun | rb: although you could use a nullmailer that uses your current mta server so you don't waist space on your db server |
| 15:41.11 | jordanm | thenthenio: script -c 'aptitude install -f' apt-fix.log |
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| 15:43.46 | thenthenio | jordanm: E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. |
| 15:44.15 | thewanderer1 | thenthenio: if dpkg says you must, you should obey ;P |
| 15:44.26 | jordanm | thenthenio: script -c 'dpkg --configure -a' apt-fix.log |
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| 15:45.23 | thewanderer1 | jordanm: you're gonna have to start using -a flag for script not to lose logs |
| 15:45.28 | thenthenio | Running dpkg --configure -a gives: Setting up exim4-config (4.69-9) ... DEBCONFsomethingDEBCONF found in exim configuration. This is most probably ETC. ETC.! |
| 15:46.04 | jordanm | thenthenio: pastebin the full output |
| 15:46.14 | jordanm | thenthenio: it will be available in apt-fix.log |
| 15:46.26 | jordanm | thewanderer1: yes, but in this case the file overwritten didn't contain anything useful |
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| 15:48.48 | met_ | hi. which package provides the "mail" command? |
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| 15:49.38 | TMM | met_, mailx |
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| 15:49.42 | met_ | thank you |
| 15:49.50 | jordanm | met_: more than one, apt-file search /etc/alternatives/mail |
| 15:49.53 | thewanderer1 | TMM: err mailx is a mailer daemon :P |
| 15:50.01 | jordanm | err, thats not the right search |
| 15:50.14 | met_ | I install mailutils now, seems to be the right one |
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| 15:50.38 | TMM | thewanderer1, bsd-mailx - simple mail user agent |
| 15:50.49 | thewanderer1 | TMM: oh. okay |
| 15:51.09 | TMM | thewanderer1, you are sure full of facts, aren't you? :P |
| 15:51.16 | jordanm | ,provides mailx |
| 15:51.18 | judd | mailx in lenny/i386 provides no additional packages. |
| 15:51.51 | jordanm | met_: aptitude search ~Pmailx |
| 15:52.03 | thenthenio | jordanm: here is the script -c 'dpkg --configure -a' apt-fix.log output: http://pastebin.ca/1929982 |
| 15:52.13 | themill | ,rprovides mailx |
| 15:52.14 | judd | mailx in lenny/i386 is provided by: bsd-mailx, heirloom-mailx, mailutils. mailx is also a real package. |
| 15:52.18 | themill | jordanm: ^^ |
| 15:52.31 | jordanm | themill: nice, thanks :) |
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| 15:53.25 | jordanm | thenthenio: did you opt not to accept new changes? did you read the NEWS file it suggests that you read? |
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| 15:53.53 | themill | jordanm: "provides" looks at the Provides line of the package you specify. "rprovides" for the reverse. Aptitude's searches all seem bassackwards to me in that regard (same for depends, rdepends etc) |
| 15:54.09 | thenthenio | I answered to keep actual Exim4 config. |
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| 15:54.38 | thewanderer1 | thenthenio is getting an I/O error from mv, this is not good |
| 15:54.41 | thenthenio | I had a look to the NEWS but could not find what was the issue... |
| 15:55.04 | jordanm | thenthenio: read the NEWS, you will likely need to extract the new conffiles for the deb, and compare them to your changes. it seems the configurations are not compatible |
| 15:56.20 | jelly | thenthenio: are there any IO/hard disk related errors in dmesg? |
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| 15:57.19 | thewanderer1 | this what I'm seeing about the I/O error *could* be related to immutable files if the disks/filesystems are fine - just guessing |
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| 15:57.51 | thewanderer1 | but only on writing, I think |
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| 15:58.31 | saji89 | #flood |
| 15:59.29 | thenthenio | jelly: dmesg contans only a huge number of iptables rules logs :O |
| 15:59.50 | jelly | thenthenio: and when you grep -v those out? |
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| 16:01.52 | thenthenio | jelly: no output - what are you looking for with I/O disk error? why do you think there is an I/O error? |
| 16:02.32 | jelly | thenthenio: just trying to rule out reasons for mv: accessing `/var/lib/texmf/tex/generic/config/language.dat': Input/output error |
| 16:03.58 | fxiny | try file /var/lib/texmf/tex/generic/config/language.dat |
| 16:05.02 | thenthenio | ls -l /var/lib/texmf/tex/generic/config/ -> -????????? ? ? ? ? ? language.dat |
| 16:05.16 | thewanderer1 | thenthenio: this looks like a disk error |
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| 16:05.31 | thenthenio | Yes! |
| 16:05.41 | thewanderer1 | thenthenio: sync; echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches |
| 16:06.05 | thewanderer1 | thenthenio: this will drop your disk caches from memory and hopefully bring back the sane state of file |
| 16:06.20 | thewanderer1 | is suspecting a memory bit flip... or many |
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| 16:06.47 | thenthenio | ls -l same result as before |
| 16:06.53 | fxiny | file ? |
| 16:07.12 | jelly | thenthenio: a fsck may be in order. |
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| 16:07.32 | jelly | thenthenio: and a memory test before that |
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| 16:07.57 | thenthenio | Can't rembember how to restart in single user... |
| 16:07.58 | Wipped | Hi, i cant install the packet liblzo1 with apt-get install liblzo1. how can i fix this problem? |
| 16:08.04 | schoppenhauer | hello. could it be possible that the current stable netinst- and businesscard-cd-images from the debian homepage have some flaw? because they are always claiming that some files they downloaded are corrupt - whereas the cd I found on my desk which is a bit older works well. |
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| 16:08.51 | thewanderer1 | thenthenio: append "S" to the kernel command line |
| 16:08.55 | honschu | How would you say to the topLeft, bottomLeft, topRight and bottomRight position say? Edge?? |
| 16:08.59 | themill | thenthenio: the machine currently isn't in a bootable state. I wouldn't be taking it down right now. |
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| 16:09.16 | thewanderer1 | ah, the LILO errors indicate danger, yes |
| 16:09.40 | thewanderer1 | honschu: corner? |
| 16:09.58 | thenthenio | mmm |
| 16:10.03 | Wipped | Hi, i cant install the packet liblzo1 with apt-get install liblzo1. how can i fix this problem? |
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| 16:10.37 | thewanderer1 | Wipped, man, there is no such package. |
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| 16:11.19 | thewanderer1 | Wipped: packages will pull in all dependencies automatically, you don't have to do that by hand |
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| 16:11.31 | avar | What packages do I install to get *.mo files for common things on my system like the C library? |
| 16:11.51 | avar | it was something-$langcode |
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| 16:13.12 | thenthenio | Is there a way out of this? |
| 16:16.28 | Wipped | wanderer:there is such a package its in 2 tut about openVPN |
| 16:16.43 | thenthenio | themill: What can I do if not rebooting? |
| 16:16.48 | Wipped | wanderer:but you say it is on debian automatically? |
| 16:16.59 | bint | i was used to ctrl + c and ctrl v in windows |
| 16:17.01 | jordanm | avar: apt-file -x search '.*\.mo' |
| 16:17.06 | bint | its not the same in debian is it? |
| 16:17.16 | bint | for copy paste |
| 16:17.19 | themill | thenthenio: is this a local machine or something that you have easy console access to? |
| 16:17.28 | thewanderer1 | Wipped: no, I am saying that this tutorial is not for Debian or is not current |
| 16:17.38 | Wipped | Install and setup OpenVPN on Debian 4.0 Etch |
| 16:17.42 | jordanm | bint: depends on your configuration, and the application |
| 16:17.47 | thewanderer1 | Wipped: hello, Lenny is stable :P |
| 16:17.47 | Wipped | not current then |
| 16:17.51 | jordanm | bint: emacs for example uses M-w C-y |
| 16:18.11 | bint | sorry... but i dont even understand what emacs is :D |
| 16:18.21 | jordanm | !emacs |
| 16:18.21 | dpkg | Emacs is the extensible macro editor that is already quite extensively extended. A popular editor choice with major and minor modes for almost every conceivable language and task. High priests of emacs have even been known to use emacs as their shell, and sometimes have whole systems with init=/usr/bin/emacs. [Escape Meta Alt Control Shift] http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs http://emacswiki.org/ #emacs on irc.freenode.net. |
| 16:18.24 | thewanderer1 | avar: er, don't you just mean "locales"? |
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| 16:18.42 | Wipped | wanderer: so i dont need to worry if i dont install it? |
| 16:19.02 | thenthenio | themill: that is the firewall machine, I'm connected through it with another PC, I can connect to it through telnet but I can also access its real console. |
| 16:19.14 | thewanderer1 | Wipped: it will pull in dependencies on its own, yes |
| 16:19.22 | avar | thewanderer1: yeah, probably |
| 16:19.26 | Wipped | well i will see |
| 16:19.26 | avar | jordanm: that doesn't return any results |
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| 16:20.05 | themill | thenthenio: so it's not so bad that it's not bootable at this stage then. Taking it down, doing an fsck off a recovery cd or some sort then fixing lilo would be quite feasible if you have physical access to the machine. |
| 16:20.06 | jordanm | avar: run apt-file update first |
| 16:20.07 | thewanderer1 | aptitude install locales; editor /etc/locale.gen; locale-gen |
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| 16:20.16 | avar | ah |
| 16:20.34 | jordanm | avar: there are tons of results.. not sure what you are looking for exactly |
| 16:20.56 | thewanderer1 | thenthenio: do you have SMART running there? if not, I would look into it |
| 16:21.11 | avar | jordanm: The locales package, that did it. |
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| 16:23.28 | thenthenio | themill: Ok I'll try to do something on the console... |
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| 16:23.59 | themill | thenthenio: it's too long since I've done a lilo recovery for me to help you with that though.. but others will help. |
| 16:24.09 | wieshka | hi there - is it possible to lock file on NFS share if one of more client side are editing it |
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| 16:25.12 | thewanderer1 | thenthenio: if I were you, I would seriously install GRUB... |
| 16:25.13 | wieshka | for example - we have a .doc file - one user is editing it, so it is locked, when everything is done and file closed, other users can edit it |
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| 16:25.47 | thewanderer1 | wieshka: NFS locks work like normal locks if you have all the components working (nfs-kernel-server, lockd) |
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| 16:28.07 | thewanderer1 | wieshka: and no, fopen() on NFS does not automagically lock |
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| 16:38.08 | xbj9000 | hi all.. anyone here experienced with my-simple-cdd? |
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| 16:41.02 | fruitwerks | anyone good with lvm? I need some help setting up a few things |
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| 16:44.26 | mete | what info do you need fruitwerks? |
| 16:44.34 | mete | I'm running a "SPAN" lvm |
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| 16:44.45 | mete | don't know if I can help you |
| 16:44.46 | babilen | fruitwerks: Plenty of people are. Just ask your question and you will/might get an answer. |
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| 16:45.06 | mete | wb babilen |
| 16:45.07 | mete | ^^ |
| 16:45.27 | babilen | hehe |
| 16:45.42 | babilen | There is also #lvm fwiw |
| 16:46.31 | fruitwerks | I have two 2tb drives, one is setup with lvm already.. I want to stripe one volume and mirror another |
| 16:46.38 | bambr | hey, i'm trying to make debian package of one library and am getting dh_install error saying the package i'm building is missing usr/lib/lib*.a , i get it after doing fakeroot debian/rules/ binary , also while doing make install (which is manual equivalent as i guess ) i do get some files starting with lib, what and where should do to fix that error? |
| 16:46.40 | mete | for each thin there's a channel xD I already have too much channels open xD |
| 16:47.09 | babilen | !tell bambr -about mentors |
| 16:47.14 | mete | fruitwerks: format the new disk with lvm, and add it to the pool, then resize FS |
| 16:47.29 | mete | fruitwerks: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/536 |
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| 16:48.04 | mete | more or less what you need fruitwerks, the article is with luks (encryption), but skip this part, so it should work for you |
| 16:48.26 | fruitwerks | I don't need encryption - but I'll add the second disk in.. one sec |
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| 16:48.57 | mete | yeah I know that you dont need enc., but the article is with, so skip this :P |
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| 16:51.53 | fruitwerks | hmm that doesn't cover mirroring |
| 16:53.13 | alcy | folks, which one is advisable, running a web server as root, so that cgi programs needing root privileges (and everything else that doesn't require root privileges) can be executed or doing a setuid root on only a subset of those cgi programs and running the server as a normal user ? |
| 16:53.24 | thewanderer1 | alcy: none, use sudo. |
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| 16:54.16 | thewanderer1 | alcy: better, use sudo in a container / on a VM through SSH if you can, to minimize damage... running web server or CGI as root is a Very Bad Idea |
| 16:54.50 | alcy | thewanderer1: well, its an in house developed app like Webmin, only more specific. Mainly a server manager, with tons of c cgi programs and perl scripts ( does tasks like adding new users, modifying mail queues etc.) |
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| 16:55.26 | thewanderer1 | alcy: then use sudo anyway. er. you could use ISPConfig instead, just saying (NIH is fun, yeah) |
| 16:55.47 | amanita_ | Any Debian testing + Xfce user think Lenny + Xfce was cooler? |
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| 16:56.25 | alcy | amanita_: errm, works fine here. both are equally bland :p |
| 16:56.27 | Gijs | oke people |
| 16:56.40 | Gijs | i got a 64bit debian 5.0 server and i want it supports 32bit |
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| 16:57.28 | ubiman | can i request for free debian cd without any cost? |
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| 16:57.38 | BlackFate | Gijs, build a 32bit sandbox with debootstrap |
| 16:57.38 | amanita_ | alcy: how do you manage the complete lack of xfce menu editin in testing? |
| 16:58.01 | thewanderer1 | ubiman: yes, if you have a friend with a CD burner :) |
| 16:58.51 | alcy | amanita_: errm, I didn't try that. |
| 16:59.00 | themill | Gijs: [12:28] <abrotman> Gijs: google "Debian amd64 chroot" .. alioth should be near the top, see the IA32 chroot section |
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| 16:59.23 | thewanderer1 | Gijs: for most uses, it already supports 32-bit with "ia32-libs" thing |
| 16:59.47 | jelly | Gijs: it's been 8 hours from your initial query... by now you could have installed a second machine _and_ learned how to find the file you need at least two times over |
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| 17:01.01 | themill | jelly: or Gijs could have worked out where it was he actually obtained this game from and tried to get an amd64 version from the same place.... |
| 17:01.12 | jelly | Gijs: or you could have learned how to search for that file on packages.debian.org, then download that package and ask here how to unpack it and where to put the i386 library |
| 17:01.15 | ubiman | <thewanderer1> i mean to request free cd from debian company like the ubuntu |
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| 17:01.42 | BlackFate | company? o_O |
| 17:01.48 | thewanderer1 | ubiman: there is no company behind Debian, sorry |
| 17:01.52 | jelly | themill: it's a binary... I'm suggesting scenarios that, if not more realistic, are at least possible ;-) |
| 17:02.02 | fxiny | what about hiring a professional ? |
| 17:02.30 | fxiny | 8 hours doing nothing ... |
| 17:03.02 | amanita_ | ubiman: while you would request a cd and got it, you can download a million time a linux distro |
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| 17:03.13 | jelly | I'd offer my rates but I still don't have moneybookers set up properly |
| 17:03.20 | Gijs | look jelly please just help me, i dont want to install a new OS |
| 17:03.57 | jelly | Gijs: help yourself, multiple people have given you 2-3 possible solutions |
| 17:04.00 | BlackFate | Gijs, we already told you 3 ways to do it... why do you insist? are you too bored to google? |
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| 17:04.27 | jelly | Gijs: you want help from me? $60/hr, two hours minimum |
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| 17:04.59 | thewanderer1 | peeps, what do I do when pulseaudio breaks? killall pulseaudio, restarted rhythmbox, but I still have no sound |
| 17:05.09 | themill | jelly: ITYM s/help from me/me to do it for you/ |
| 17:05.11 | ponyofdeath | hi, i got an sata raid card (3ware) so i took my two 1tb linux software raid1 drives and moved them to the raid card after which i set up single drive raids on. seems this cleared the partition tables and linux raid info because now linux cant detect them. the linux raid was formatted with ext4 is it possible to re-create the partition on the drive and try and mount as ext4 or anyone have any other ideas? |
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| 17:05.41 | jelly | themill: same price. |
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| 17:06.11 | thewanderer1 | ponyofdeath: building a hardware RAID array usually sets up a proprietary disk layout which is not MBR. likely, all your data is now lost... |
| 17:06.17 | jelly | obviously the sort of help where he learns something in the process isn't applicable |
| 17:06.35 | themill | jelly: :) |
| 17:07.09 | jelly | ponyofdeath: can you connect them back to the 3ware? |
| 17:07.17 | ponyofdeath | thewanderer1: well thats the thing it did not build or init or say that data loss will occur |
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| 17:07.40 | jelly | ponyofdeath: at this point I'd contact a professional data recovery service |
| 17:07.48 | ponyofdeath | thewanderer1: i basically just moved disks over to 3ware raid controller and set up single drive no raid |
| 17:08.00 | Gijs | Oke people |
| 17:08.02 | thewanderer1 | ponyofdeath: anyway, I would not count on the data that was there before being available immediately - hwraid usually requires its own disk layout, really |
| 17:08.12 | Gijs | i searched for a package on http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 17:08.20 | Gijs | i installed it and the error was gone |
| 17:08.21 | Gijs | it worked |
| 17:08.34 | fruitwerks | umm anyone know how to make a gpt partition table? I just noticed mine is msdos |
| 17:08.36 | thewanderer1 | ponyofdeath: you should connect 1 disk, put it in RAID mode, start a degraded array and migrate data |
| 17:08.37 | Gijs | but now i see another thing i miss but it doesnt matter what i install but it doesnt get fixed |
| 17:08.44 | Gijs | libsqlite3.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 17:08.55 | fxiny | are those linksys LNE 100TX (tulip) cards s* ? this f* nearest shop has only linksys |
| 17:09.04 | themill | Gijs: that's the exact error we've been telling you how to fix.... |
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| 17:09.20 | Gijs | oh? |
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| 17:09.42 | thewanderer1 | fxiny: tulip is old but works reasonably for home uses, for professional I would choose sth else |
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| 17:10.28 | BlackFate | Gijs, download the 32bit version of the lib you want and extract its contents inside /usr/lib32 |
| 17:11.28 | fxiny | thewanderer1: yes ? ok thanx . i'm planning to order a new i7 + two tonnes of ram friday to play with , after years of waiting i deserve it . i'll be f* busy for the next couple of months :) |
| 17:12.06 | Gijs | oke... |
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| 17:12.36 | Gijs | this one: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/amd64/libsqlite3-0/download ? |
| 17:13.02 | thewanderer1 | fxiny: if you're gonna play with i7, the performance of tulip might leave you unimpressed... I'd go at least for recent Intel/Realtek cards |
| 17:13.10 | BlackFate | Gijs, this is the 64bit version |
| 17:13.32 | Gijs | then wich is the 32? |
| 17:13.33 | fxiny | thewanderer1: all supported in squeeze ? |
| 17:14.03 | fxiny | ok ok . the f* shop won't get my scalp |
| 17:14.13 | bint | hey i did "man ssh_config" an now i'm in this helpfile.. but how to get out? i tried ^X and Escape and ^C but doesn't work |
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| 17:14.35 | thewanderer1 | fxiny: tulip? sure. Intel is also supported very well (although Gigabit adapters require nasty firmware - you can come around that limitation with a hack if you really want), and Realtek - you have to check that, last time I looked it required firmware but worked nice |
| 17:14.36 | Ox1 | what the f* is with you F*ing so much? |
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| 17:15.32 | Ox1 | ya, intel gbits are good =] |
| 17:15.42 | Gijs | BlackFate, wich one is the 32bit? |
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| 17:15.49 | BlackFate | Gijs, you tell me |
| 17:15.55 | Gijs | :? |
| 17:16.00 | Gijs | i dont see any 32 in the list |
| 17:16.03 | Gijs | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/libsqlite3-0 |
| 17:16.22 | BlackFate | Gijs, i do :) |
| 17:16.33 | Ox1 | Gijs: i386 |
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| 17:16.54 | Ox1 | ruins the fun |
| 17:17.24 | Gijs | oke now i have a .deb file |
| 17:17.27 | Gijs | what is next? |
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| 17:17.47 | Ox1 | you could google that yourself |
| 17:17.50 | BlackFate | Gijs, seriously? |
| 17:18.01 | themill | Gijs: [11:10] <babilen> Gijs: You could also download the respective 32bit package from packages.debian.org, unpack it with dpkg -x foo.deb /the/temporary/location and get hold of the library like that. |
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| 17:19.06 | Gijs | what i extract i just need to install? |
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| 17:20.24 | fxiny | Ox1: i like fstars ;P |
| 17:20.51 | Gijs | oke i have done that but still libsqlite3.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 17:21.08 | thewanderer1 | Gijs: use ldd to track that down |
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| 17:21.13 | Quibus | I just read about fjp |
| 17:21.21 | Quibus | :( |
| 17:22.41 | Gijs | http://pastebin.com/tK6FFMyv |
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| 17:23.16 | ecarmi | :q |
| 17:23.30 | jelly | Gijs: that seems normal, there're no lines with "ot found" |
| 17:24.23 | thewanderer1 | Gijs: install that sqlite lib files anyway |
| 17:24.35 | jelly | Gijs: can you pastebin the actual command you run and the whole output of it failing? |
| 17:24.39 | Gijs | http://pastebin.com/ByBPHubV |
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| 17:25.36 | Gijs | this is the output of the file wich is failing: http://pastebin.com/ByBPHubV |
| 17:25.40 | jelly | Gijs: where have you put the file libsqlite3.so.0* you got from the i386 package? |
| 17:25.57 | Gijs | in /usr/lib/ ? |
| 17:26.06 | abrotman | so full of fail |
| 17:26.20 | jelly | Gijs: you were told to put it in /usr/lib32/ |
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| 17:26.25 | Gijs | oh shit lol |
| 17:26.42 | jelly | Gijs: have you verified you copied an actual file and not a symlink? |
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| 17:27.59 | Gijs | well here: root@svr:~/extracted/usr/lib# cp * /usr/lib32/ |
| 17:28.02 | Gijs | thats good right? |
| 17:28.22 | Gijs | hey it works :o |
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| 17:28.44 | Gijs | thanks people! |
| 17:28.55 | thewanderer1 | congratulations, now go and bug the vendor about supporting amd64 and moving on to the 21st century :P |
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| 17:29.30 | jelly | !praise apt |
| 17:29.30 | dpkg | prostrates herself before apt. "We're not worthy! We're not worthy!" |
| 17:30.08 | fxiny | dpkg rulez |
| 17:30.08 | dpkg | Yeah, I do, don't I? |
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| 17:30.45 | Gijs | if i added a ip in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:30.47 | jordanm | that reminds me, I need to find one of those cool debian/rules t-shirts :) |
| 17:30.52 | Gijs | how to restart the ipservices? |
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| 17:31.27 | jordanm | !tell Gijs about reference |
| 17:31.39 | Gijs | ... |
| 17:31.44 | jordanm | Gijs: you should get atleast a little familar with finding answers for yourself |
| 17:31.45 | bint | if i go for: apt-cache search "xxx" - does it only show me what i have installed? what i have not installed? or does it show all the things avaiable with xxx to download from the internet |
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| 17:32.13 | jordanm | !tell bint about why aptitude |
| 17:32.22 | jelly | Gijs: how did you add it? |
| 17:32.31 | jelly | Gijs: an eth0:0 style alias? |
| 17:32.36 | jordanm | bint: shows all available packages which include xxx in the name or short description |
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| 17:33.14 | bint | zhc |
| 17:33.15 | peterrooney | "<jordanm> !tell bint about why aptitude " - You owe me a new screen. |
| 17:33.16 | bint | thx |
| 17:33.26 | bint | why? peterrooney |
| 17:33.55 | xand | bint: your name is rude in english ;p |
| 17:33.56 | jordanm | peterrooney: C-a c a new screen yourself! |
| 17:34.02 | bint | i know xand |
| 17:34.03 | jelly | caca. |
| 17:34.20 | bint | but i'm swiss and i have this nick for over 12 years now |
| 17:34.28 | bint | and i hat no idea what bint is.. when i chose this nick |
| 17:34.31 | bint | so nvm |
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| 17:38.34 | fxiny | dec3pti0n: what an amazing bank is yours :P |
| 17:38.46 | dec3pti0n | hehe not for a bank |
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| 17:48.19 | Raptors | Will the chromium ubuntu ppa destroy my system? |
| 17:48.33 | abrotman | don't do that |
| 17:48.41 | Raptors | Why not? |
| 17:48.42 | abrotman | it is NOT okay to use ubuntu packages on debian |
| 17:48.45 | thewanderer1 | Raptors: there is chromium in unstable |
| 17:48.56 | abrotman | Raptors: if you're not going to listen, do what you want, but you're on your own |
| 17:49.03 | thewanderer1 | Raptors: http://media.ebaumsworld.com/picture/petros753/you-make-bunny-cry.jpg |
| 17:49.25 | Raptors | thewanderer1, I'm on sid and my chromium never gets updated |
| 17:49.51 | thewanderer1 | Raptors: good, you don't want breakage on a daily basis. is everything working fine? if yes, why change? :P |
| 17:50.01 | fxiny | thewanderer1: try display http://media.ebaumsworld.com/picture/petros753/you-make-bunny-cry.jpg :) |
| 17:50.21 | Raptors | thewanderer1, because I want the latest and greatest |
| 17:50.27 | Raptors | that's why I'm sid lol |
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| 17:51.05 | Raptors | 7.0.510.0~svn20100831r57933-0ubuntu1~ucd1 in PPA and 5.0.375.127 on my system |
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| 17:51.09 | jordanm | !tell Raptors about sns |
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| 17:51.36 | fxiny | ubu latest and greatest ? hmmm |
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| 17:51.46 | abrotman | Raptors: then just go do it .. you can have your broken system, do not come back here crying that it is broken |
| 17:52.06 | jordanm | sid is typically not supported regardless |
| 17:52.06 | abrotman | is about to start a tirade |
| 17:52.08 | Raptors | fxiny, that ppa is,,, |
| 17:52.14 | Raptors | ...* |
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| 17:52.38 | Raptors | jordanm, why isn't it supported? |
| 17:52.40 | neoice | abrotman, you're always hating on sid |
| 17:52.44 | fxiny | you know what is great ? a stable system to play with years after years |
| 17:52.53 | jordanm | !tell Raptors about sid |
| 17:52.53 | abrotman | neoice: shut up, you have no idea what you're talking about here .. |
| 17:52.56 | Raptors | I have sid and haven't had any prob.... |
| 17:52.56 | neoice | it does explode sometimes. |
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| 17:53.09 | fxiny | a crafted stable system |
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| 17:53.20 | fxiny | not a supermarket thingy |
| 17:53.30 | jordanm | Raptors: a recent apt transition broken many sid systems of users who didn't pay attention to what was being upgraded and removed, as one example |
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| 17:54.14 | Raptors | Well you are a n00b for not looking at what's being updated |
| 17:54.20 | Raptors | and removed |
| 17:54.36 | Raptors | Who doesn't look at what's being removed? :| |
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| 17:56.05 | SlayerXP | BETA SOFTWARE IN "MAY CONTAIN BUGS" *SHOCKER* Film at all. |
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| 17:56.15 | SlayerXP | at 11, even |
| 17:56.21 | nsadmin | in may? not june? |
| 17:56.50 | Raptors | I think I'll just build the latest version of chromium |
| 17:57.03 | Raptors | probably a better option then the ppa |
| 17:57.11 | jordanm | last time I did that it took longer than a kernel to compile |
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| 17:57.21 | Raptors | :| |
| 17:57.40 | jordanm | google has its own special build tools, but its easy enough to pick up |
| 17:57.58 | jordanm | or you can always use the proprietary version |
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| 17:58.31 | Raptors | I'm going to be installing chromium, open source version... |
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| 18:03.54 | nsadmin | Raptors: just a data point for ya... if you build the chrome yourself, that puts you as the maintainer, and makes it ineligible for support here... no one is ever obligated to offer support under any conditions, so you'd have to work pretty hard to get people to lift a finger here; more power to ya if you succeed, but don't count on it |
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| 18:05.29 | ima | stable installer doesn't have the option to use ext4 as the filesystem |
| 18:05.40 | nsadmin | and? |
| 18:06.28 | Raptors | no worries I'll ask for support on #chromium and #chromium-support if people want to be like that. |
| 18:06.52 | jordanm | that is more appropriate |
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| 18:07.04 | nsadmin | "what people want to be like" is rangey |
| 18:07.18 | kritos | Hello, can anyone tell me if debian has problems with pppoe? |
| 18:07.25 | nsadmin | you might get an answer that would solve your then-current problem |
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| 18:07.36 | nsadmin | you might get kicked for persisting |
| 18:08.04 | ima | nsadmin: Doesn't ext4 perform faster? |
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| 18:08.26 | nsadmin | ima: dunno |
| 18:08.45 | thewanderer1 | ima: ext4 seems to perform better for me, but the stable installer / kernel doesn't support ext4 |
| 18:09.13 | ima | thewanderer1: Thank you, testing supports ext4, right? |
| 18:09.33 | thewanderer1 | ima: yeah, it's supported in Squeeze on 2.6.32-5 |
| 18:09.38 | nsadmin | at some point you might find out what Linus feels about extanything |
| 18:10.29 | ima | thewanderer1: cheers |
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| 18:11.40 | nsadmin | also, evaluate your own needs: do you need stability? do you need fs performance? do you need for your original material you generate as files to have a better chance at remaining uncorrupt? |
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| 18:14.36 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin: for me, ext4 has been as stable as ext3, so this is not an issue - my servers are now running on it |
| 18:15.08 | CMA | hi, what happened to the amd64 daily build? it's gone from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/ at last from mirror I'm pointed to. I don't speak english, so, sorry if my writing is weird |
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| 18:19.39 | jordanm | CMA: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/testing/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 18:21.17 | fxiny | about performances there is a benchmark between : zfs ext4 and btrfs . pros and cons . btrfs seems not bad at all |
| 18:21.46 | CMA | thank you, but i'm looking for unstable, from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/unstable/arch-latest/ I can see i386 and even mips, but no amd64, maybe the build broke? |
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| 18:24.06 | bint | are there diffrent ssh-servers for debian? |
| 18:24.21 | bint | coz i think i installed openssh-server but now i can't find it in the lib when i go for aptitude search ssh |
| 18:26.06 | thewanderer1 | bint: there is also dropbear |
| 18:26.19 | bint | hmmm |
| 18:26.38 | bint | can i somehow see what i already installed on my debian (desktop) |
| 18:26.52 | bint | there are things like packet manager right? and in there i can see what i installed? |
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| 18:27.00 | fxiny | bint: you are not running lenny , lenny openssh been fixed today -> DSA 2100-1 |
| 18:28.04 | bint | where can i see what i'm running? |
| 18:28.13 | jordanm | !tell bint about version |
| 18:28.52 | thewanderer1 | fxiny: how come I didn't receive a mail? O.o |
| 18:28.53 | bint | thx jordanm |
| 18:28.59 | fxiny | s/openssh/openssl |
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| 18:29.07 | thewanderer1 | fxiny: oh, okay, so it's in the mailbox :) |
| 18:29.14 | fxiny | thewanderer1: :) |
| 18:30.09 | jordanm | gets stars next to those in his mailbox |
| 18:30.31 | fxiny | thewanderer1: i don't miss a mail . i have a handy perl script printing all subject lines i care via osd_cat ;) |
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| 18:31.58 | fxiny | jordanm: mutt scores 500 -> [500] Moritz Muehlenhoff 240 [SECURITY] [DSA 2100-1] |
| 18:32.12 | thewanderer1 | fxiny: neither do I, Icedove shows nice notification "bubbles" (actually rectangular in shape)... :P |
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| 18:32.57 | aixenv | hey guys i have a weird filesys problem, debian 5 w/ ext4 |
| 18:33.13 | thewanderer1 | aixenv: since when does Debian 5 support ext4? |
| 18:33.14 | fxiny | thewanderer1: bubbles are useless when watching movies full screen :) |
| 18:33.25 | aixenv | the line looks like this via ls -lah |
| 18:33.27 | aixenv | d????????? ? ? ? ? ? session-on-disk |
| 18:33.29 | thewanderer1 | fxiny: ah yes, multimedia computers...not my laptop :P |
| 18:33.29 | bint | ok.. whats the point.. i installed openssh-server with aptitude install openssh-server now i try to go to init.d and see that fuckin ssh thing |
| 18:33.41 | bint | but there is nothing bout ssh in my etc/init.d folder |
| 18:33.48 | bint | should't there be ssh in it? |
| 18:33.48 | aixenv | ive tried fsck which says its clean, ive tried unlinke and lsof to make sure it isnt being used |
| 18:33.58 | thewanderer1 | bint: what about openssh-server in there? O.o |
| 18:34.07 | fxiny | thewanderer1: use Net::POP3; :) |
| 18:34.20 | thewanderer1 | fxiny: HERETIC! use IMAP! :P |
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| 18:34.33 | aixenv | any ideas of something else i could try to nuke this file? it gives me Input/output error |
| 18:34.36 | bint | thewanderer1 no.. only openBDS-int |
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| 18:35.05 | thewanderer1 | bint: you are supposed to have /etc/init.d/ssh file - have you removed it? |
| 18:35.14 | thewanderer1 | aixenv: what kernel version? |
| 18:35.24 | bint | no i haven't |
| 18:35.28 | aixenv | 2.6.30-1-amd64 |
| 18:35.32 | bint | i just freshly installed openssh-server |
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| 18:35.43 | thewanderer1 | aixenv: this is no longer supported, upgrade to 2.6.32 |
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| 18:35.57 | aixenv | fsck.ext4 -n -v -t -t -D -E fragcheck /dev/sdb1 |
| 18:36.00 | aixenv | and shows clean |
| 18:36.40 | aixenv | sorry no new kernels are in stable |
| 18:36.49 | aixenv | prod server cant just go updating kernels willy nilly |
| 18:37.09 | thewanderer1 | aixenv: 2.6.30 is NOT in stable, either |
| 18:37.15 | aixenv | this hasnt been an issue for well.. a really long time |
| 18:37.27 | bint | i dont have to be root to see the ssh file? |
| 18:37.56 | aixenv | i just checked atp-get and there's no new kernel |
| 18:37.58 | thewanderer1 | bint: you do not |
| 18:38.13 | thewanderer1 | aixenv: what the hell are you running? |
| 18:38.17 | aixenv | so this appears to be the latest released lenny kernel |
| 18:38.22 | aixenv | 5.0.4 |
| 18:38.38 | thewanderer1 | aixenv: I doubt what you are saying... |
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| 18:38.40 | thewanderer1 | ,kernels |
| 18:38.41 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.35-trunk-686 (2.6.35-1~experimental.2); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-21); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-20); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-20~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-24lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 18:39.28 | thewanderer1 | I can not see a 2.6.30-1 above, sorry... your kernel is from somewhere else probably |
| 18:39.42 | aixenv | well yea, to compile ext4 support :) |
| 18:40.01 | fxiny | not even bpo . iirc bpo offers a .32 |
| 18:40.16 | thewanderer1 | aixenv: get 2.6.32 from backports, it should be generally stable |
| 18:40.38 | thewanderer1 | aixenv: and I have never got such an error with 2.6.32, although I'm running testing |
| 18:40.52 | aixenv | ok ill try .32 |
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| 18:42.26 | solifugus | Does anyone know where to configure the smtp server that exim4 sends to? |
| 18:42.44 | fxiny | aixenv: what :file that-ugly-file prints ? |
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| 18:43.15 | solifugus | I don't think I ever configured that.. it just worked after installation.. but now some servers and IP were changed and exim4 is sending thousands of messages to an invalid server.. |
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| 18:44.11 | aixenv | linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.5-amd64 |
| 18:44.13 | aixenv | ? |
| 18:45.18 | aixenv | looks right ill try that |
| 18:47.19 | fxiny | solifugus: not using exim since long time , for instructions : less /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf |
| 18:47.49 | fxiny | i just keep configs . but innserv don't like it :P |
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| 18:50.50 | solifugus | fxiny: network admins gave me msb.ichp.ufl.edu as the invalid smtp server exim4 is sending to, but when I grep all through /etc/exim4, there is no mention of that. |
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| 18:50.59 | aixenv | yay it didnt find my broadcom drivers.. |
| 18:52.35 | Justin | solifugus: pastebin your /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf |
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| 18:54.56 | solifugus | Justin: http://pastebin.com/0wcM91Tb |
| 18:56.15 | solifugus | I'm actually receiving its emails properly (logwatch and a custom report via email)... but network admins are complaining its sending to an invalid stmp server (msb.ichp.ufl.edu) |
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| 18:56.29 | solifugus | and putting some 10,000+ attempts in their logs |
| 18:56.41 | mouseover | What is the default root password on a fresh lenny install? I am corrently root... when I "su some_other_user" and then "su root" it asks for a password - what do I enter? |
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| 18:57.06 | mouseover | nm I am stupid |
| 18:57.22 | SpeedyG | hey, I've been messing around quite a bit with diff, but just can't find a good way to easily compare two html files. Can you tell me what syntax and options to use? (using the man pages I wasnt able to work it out :( ) |
| 18:57.52 | thewanderer1 | SpeedyG: http://diffxml.sourceforge.net/ see this |
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| 18:58.40 | aixenv | same thing on this kernel guys |
| 18:58.45 | aixenv | cant nuke the file |
| 18:58.56 | thewanderer1 | aixenv: the data is probably corrupted on disk... |
| 18:59.05 | aixenv | yea isnt that what fsck is for? |
| 18:59.06 | SpeedyG | thewanderer1: nothing like that in deb repos yet? :( |
| 18:59.10 | thewanderer1 | aixenv: were you running fdisk in offline mode? |
| 18:59.21 | thewanderer1 | SpeedyG: we have xmldiff in Debian, it seems |
| 18:59.24 | aixenv | partition was unmounted yes |
| 18:59.45 | fxiny | aixenv: must be a corrupted file ony fsck can delete it , still you don't answer my quewstion . what "file that-file" prints ^ |
| 18:59.56 | fxiny | s/ony/only/ |
| 19:00.09 | aixenv | fxiny: sorry i missed your question |
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| 19:00.42 | fxiny | aixenv: file most of the times prints esotic file types when the file is corrupted |
| 19:01.01 | aixenv | ERROR: cannot open `session-on-disk' (input/output error) |
| 19:01.09 | fxiny | even worse |
| 19:01.29 | aixenv | i suppose i should just rebuild the array, the data integrity is shot |
| 19:01.31 | fxiny | aixenv: hdparm -C /that-dev/ice |
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| 19:01.42 | aixenv | while unmounted? |
| 19:02.09 | fxiny | anytime , is it idle dead or what ? |
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| 19:02.41 | thewanderer1 | aixenv: if this error originates from a kernel filesystem bug, then on RAID it will look the same on both disks |
| 19:02.50 | fxiny | aixenv: and check your kern.log |
| 19:03.46 | aixenv | k one sec |
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| 19:04.06 | thewanderer1 | aixenv: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=456714 -- look at the "remove file by inode" trick |
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| 19:05.19 | thewanderer1 | aixenv: what filesystem is that, anyway? |
| 19:05.28 | aixenv | ext4 |
| 19:05.39 | thewanderer1 | aixenv: oh, ok, bit flip in my human memory :P |
| 19:05.40 | aixenv | one sec lost keyboard on kvm.. having DC go see whats up |
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| 19:07.31 | jekkk | ! |
| 19:08.29 | thewanderer1 | aixenv: also check disk integrity. see RAID error logs and inspect SMART status... |
| 19:08.41 | thewanderer1 | aixenv: you might just have a badblock :P |
| 19:08.53 | jekkk | Would you use current testing on a non critical system? Or is it still too broken? |
| 19:09.04 | aixenv | ok will do all of the above once i have keyboard action :) |
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| 19:09.35 | fxiny | or the hd wire drunk like mine , i fixed it by w* it up ;) |
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| 19:12.48 | jekkk | Squeeze is frozen. Does this mean that it is already in a stable enough state? |
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| 19:13.35 | mouseover | I have installed lenny on an ARM machine. How can I compile C/C++ programs,ie, which compiler do I get for arm? |
| 19:13.47 | thewanderer1 | jekkk: "stable enough" is a very ambigious term - it is stable enough for me for daily use, though, if you need to know (GNOME, OpenOffice, Chromium from sid. just don't try Pulseaudio, it crashes all the time. KDE is mostly fine, too) |
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| 19:14.03 | thewanderer1 | mouseover: gcc, as usual |
| 19:14.49 | mouseover | thewanderer1: I am pretty certain there is a separate compiler specifically for arm right? For example, the "GNU ARM toolchain" |
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| 19:15.23 | jekkk | thewanderer1: What about Python 2.6? |
| 19:15.48 | thewanderer1 | mouseover: I can at least see gcc package present in arm architecture on packages.debian.org |
| 19:16.01 | jordanm | thewanderer1: oddly enough, sdl is having issues where things crash/don't work without pulseaudio on squeeze |
| 19:16.03 | thewanderer1 | mouseover: if you mean cross-compiling, I have no idea |
| 19:16.10 | moldovean | mouseover, see #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net |
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| 19:16.41 | thewanderer1 | jordanm: I have yet to see that :) (well, I'm mostly on sid here...) |
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| 19:18.20 | mouseover | So hold on, are you telling me that if I have installed debian lenny on an embedded ARM device, then when I apt-get gcc I will automatically get a gcc binary that has been compiled for ARM? Additionally, this gcc binary will produce ARM-compatible binaries? |
| 19:19.28 | thewanderer1 | mouseover: well, shouldn't it work like this? O.o |
| 19:19.37 | jordanm | thewanderer1: mostly affects games |
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| 19:20.28 | thewanderer1 | mouseover: it's listed as arm arch, why would it produce binaries for any other architecture? |
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| 19:21.27 | mouseover | fair enough |
| 19:21.30 | thewanderer1 | I have not tested this as I don't even have access to any ARM devices, but this is the only logical answer |
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| 19:25.59 | jelly-home | mouseover: yes, with Debian you get a compiler that makes binaries working on your machine. Amazing! |
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| 19:27.47 | ultron | hi... im installing tomcat on my debian but can you guys help me setting up the jdk... i've download it and all but i need to use it as java_home in order to run tomcat |
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| 19:27.58 | mouseover | jelly-home: Just making sure :) |
| 19:28.43 | mouseover | I am on lenny, can I add sid's packages to my sources.lst file and get newer binaries from sid's repositories? |
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| 19:32.02 | cahoot | mouseover: no |
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| 19:32.25 | mouseover | cahoot: why not? :( |
| 19:33.15 | cahoot | dependencies |
| 19:33.21 | peterrooney | mouseover: backports is a better solution. |
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| 19:41.29 | jelly-home | mouseover: that'd break your fancy lenny system |
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| 19:44.33 | Tas_ | anyone know how I can put multiple lines into a file from terminal? such as: echo line1here \n line2here >> /etc/file |
| 19:44.37 | Tas_ | because, that doesn't work :P |
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| 19:45.30 | thewanderer1 | Tas_: echo -e line1here\nline2here |
| 19:45.50 | thewanderer1 | Tas_: or call echo multiple times ;P |
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| 19:46.21 | jhutchins | Tas_: or quote the string. |
| 19:46.29 | Tas_ | the -e switch didn't work, but good point, I can call it multiple times :P |
| 19:47.03 | tramp | cat >foo <<EOF; echo -e "...\n...\n"; echo $'one\ntwo\nthree' and so on |
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| 19:48.38 | thewanderer1 | Tas_: the -e switch works, but you need to escape your slash like this: \\n this is one of those little bash culprits :P |
| 19:49.08 | Tas_ | ah, alright. Thanks for the help :) |
| 19:49.11 | thewanderer1 | I use quotes around text, so I never need double slashes in \n |
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| 19:49.28 | themill | quotes also stop echo eating spaces on you |
| 19:49.34 | tramp | <thewanderer1> Tas_: echo -e line1here\nline2here <-- maybe you should make that clear then ..... |
| 19:49.49 | jelly-home | well, the shell eats them spaces, not echo |
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| 19:50.19 | thewanderer1 | themill: my echo is wise, doesn't eat spaces: "echo a b c" produces a b c O.o |
| 19:50.37 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: echo a b c |
| 19:50.38 | themill | thewanderer1: echo a b c |
| 19:50.45 | themill | jelly-home: (yes, true, but what sort of command is echo again? "type echo") |
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| 19:50.49 | jelly-home | that b is goinf places |
| 19:51.03 | jelly-home | goinb* |
| 19:51.04 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home, themill, hm, so you mean that... but it's a command, anyway - 3 arguments are 3 arguments :P |
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| 19:51.54 | themill | thewanderer1: sure. you'd never be putting spaces between things like that for a reason. |
| 19:52.08 | jelly-home | posh: type: not found |
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| 19:52.16 | themill | just like you'd never put \n for a reason and then forget to tell someone to quote the string. |
| 19:52.38 | themill | jelly-home: finally switched away from zsh have we? |
| 19:52.48 | jelly-home | themill: I had to try four shells to find one without type! |
| 19:52.52 | themill | hehe |
| 19:53.07 | Tas_ | $ type type |
| 19:53.35 | jelly-home | there is no switching away from zsh |
| 19:53.40 | xingu | forces jelly-home to lick a tab then chsh csh |
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| 19:53.58 | themill | eeek! |
| 19:54.09 | jelly-home | xingu: I've gotten rid of all Solaris. No more csh by default |
| 19:54.24 | xingu | jelly-home: that's irix you're thinking of, and it was tcsh ;) |
| 19:54.31 | jelly-home | fancy |
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| 19:55.15 | jelly-home | tcsh had some nifty completion, that was my pre-zsh shell |
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| 19:59.31 | LordVorp | what's a good channel to talk about dhclient scripts/behavior? |
| 20:00.43 | themill | LordVorp: just highlight greycat a few times and ask in here. (if it's debian related) |
| 20:01.14 | abrotman | hehe |
| 20:01.51 | LordVorp | hmm, well looking in dhclient.conf shows me I haven't dug into the problem enough yet, so lemme get there before I embarrass myself. :) |
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| 20:04.11 | LordVorp | does dhclient support requesting classless static routes? (option 249) |
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| 20:07.51 | LordVorp | or else option 121... ? |
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| 20:08.00 | puffster | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/19/linux_vulnerability_fix/ <<--- Linux is for dumb bitches |
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| 20:08.11 | puffster | OpenBSD blackhole.hvc.rr.com 4.7 puffy-kernel#0 i386 |
| 20:08.15 | puffster | W00tser ! |
| 20:08.17 | puffster | :P |
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| 20:12.04 | LordVorp | ah-HAH. my "correct question" is, does debian dhclient support RFC3442. which is something I can Google. |
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| 20:12.44 | nutron | What's the channel to poke about getting radeon/ati/radeonhd working in a monitor's native resolution? I just can't bring myself to be happy with vesa. I know I'm barking up the wrong tree with ati, but my other options are quite limited. |
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| 20:13.27 | abrotman | nutron: what does 'uname -r' say ? |
| 20:13.51 | nutron | abrotman: I'm not at the box, but it's lenny, 2.6.26 |
| 20:14.01 | abrotman | nutron: doy ou know the radeon model |
| 20:14.34 | nutron | yes one sec... HD4200 |
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| 20:15.34 | abrotman | nutron: you'd probably either need fglrx or to upgrade to squeeze |
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| 20:15.47 | nutron | abrotman: ATI Technologies Inc Device 9710 |
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| 20:15.57 | abrotman | oh yeah .. i have a 9710 at home, it makes eggs |
| 20:16.07 | nutron | it makes eggs? heh |
| 20:16.09 | abrotman | nutron: likely need fglrx or squeeze .. your choice |
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| 20:16.28 | nutron | ok rough, this is on a thin client, so the fun begins now! :P |
| 20:17.28 | nutron | abrotman: anything special I need to pass via the xorg.conf other than the driver name? |
| 20:17.34 | nutron | When I go fglrx? |
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| 20:17.44 | abrotman | would rather go to squeeze than use fglrx |
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| 20:18.26 | nutron | abrotman: I can't :( not until squeeze is stable, as the one install affects 200+ users using thin clients |
| 20:18.35 | abrotman | awesome |
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| 20:18.47 | nutron | lol :) |
| 20:19.09 | nutron | no, they already think that debian is evil, I don't need to give them more reason to hate |
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| 20:19.17 | abrotman | this is the server? why does the server have an HD card in it? why not just a regular old ati rage or something ? |
| 20:19.25 | nutron | no no, it's a client |
| 20:19.37 | abrotman | oh, gotcha .. this particular client has an HD card |
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| 20:19.39 | abrotman | or they all do? |
| 20:19.49 | nutron | 4 new accounting clients |
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| 20:19.58 | nutron | the ladies need glasses, but they refuse to admit it |
| 20:20.08 | themill | heh |
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| 20:20.28 | nutron | so someone did me the "favor" of buying me 4 boxes with 4gb's of ram and running quad cores... |
| 20:20.44 | nutron | the thin client install is non-smp i386, using a max of 200mb on each client... total waste |
| 20:21.57 | wooden | nutron: is it the users or the management who think debian is evil? |
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| 20:22.31 | nutron | abrotman: seeing that this isn't my forte, is this much like the nvidia driver? aptitude install fglrx-driver fglrx-glx? |
| 20:22.34 | nutron | or..? |
| 20:22.44 | nutron | wooden: few users, mostly management |
| 20:22.59 | themill | !fglrx one-liner |
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| 20:22.59 | dpkg | To install <fglrx>, ask me about <fglrx one-liner lenny> or <fglrx one-liner squeeze>. |
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| 20:23.11 | themill | apt: fix dpkg |
| 20:23.12 | apt | ACTION opens the hood of dpkg , looks inside and says "that'll be 500 dollars." |
| 20:23.19 | wooden | nutron: if necessary, also see: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 20:23.57 | nutron | wooden: nvidia's all cool, ati's been off my radar for years, but now that amd ... well anyway heh everyone knows the story I guess |
| 20:24.19 | themill | nutron: it's probably easier than nvidia, /msg dpkg fglrx one-liner lenny |
| 20:25.22 | nutron | themill: can you tell me what aticonfig is/does? |
| 20:25.36 | themill | never touched it |
| 20:26.18 | themill | nutron: I *think* it generates an appropriate xorg.conf for fglrx, but I probably wrote mine by hand some time in the dark ages prior to that existing. |
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| 20:31.15 | danielig | hi, |
| 20:32.48 | danielig | i have a problem after dist-upgrade from lenny to squeeze there was some udev version conflict and it said that i would end with an unusable system if I would install this in the running kernel |
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| 20:33.22 | themill | danielig: read the error message carefully and do what it says. |
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| 20:33.44 | danielig | I assumed that the squeeze kernel 2.6.30 was already installed |
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| 20:33.56 | danielig | I rebooted, now I have an unusable system... |
| 20:34.06 | danielig | themill Ã) |
| 20:34.07 | thewanderer1 | people, just what is it with you today? there is no squeeze 2.6.30 kernel! |
| 20:34.10 | themill | danielig: don't assume check. And squeeze has 2.6.32. |
| 20:34.16 | danielig | sorry |
| 20:34.22 | danielig | I meant that. |
| 20:35.16 | danielig | anyway I just have 2.6.26 on the system and this one is not working... no mouse, no keyboard input is taken... |
| 20:35.43 | thewanderer1 | this is the right time to install 2.6.32, then :P |
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| 20:36.06 | danielig | right, ... : |
| 20:36.27 | thewanderer1 | you can use a chroot or anything (ssh?) |
| 20:37.05 | themill | danielig: can you boot off a live cd? |
| 20:37.19 | danielig | I could get one |
| 20:37.32 | danielig | the system is on my laptop. |
| 20:37.53 | themill | danielig: did you force the udev installation to complete or did you just reboot after you first saw the error message? |
| 20:38.01 | danielig | just rebooted |
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| 20:38.53 | themill | hmm... the new udev shouldn't have been installed at that stage. |
| 20:39.03 | Quibus | good night |
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| 20:39.05 | danielig | that is what I thought... |
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| 20:42.09 | danielig | i just see the boot screen until I get the gdm splash image and there it freezes, I can't input anything from mouse, mousepad or keyboard |
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| 20:44.57 | nutron | can I complain about the fglrx one-liner as being invalid in a chroot? :P |
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| 20:47.00 | danielig | which live CD do you recommend? Knoppix? |
| 20:47.22 | thewanderer1 | danielig: Debian CD has a rescue mode, you know |
| 20:47.28 | thewanderer1 | besides, there's Debian Live :P |
| 20:47.41 | danielig | Yeah, I just have the netinstall disk |
| 20:47.45 | jordanm | prefers knoppix, but not supported here |
| 20:47.51 | thewanderer1 | danielig: it includes rescue mode too |
| 20:48.14 | danielig | so I can use this toinstall the other kernel? |
| 20:48.24 | thewanderer1 | danielig: yeah |
| 20:48.49 | bzed | danielig: grml |
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| 20:49.00 | bzed | !telnn danielig about grml |
| 20:49.06 | bzed | !tell danielig about grml |
| 20:49.23 | foetus | is it possible to give apache2 a different hosts file than /etc/hosts? (#httpd is not responding) |
| 20:49.35 | bzed | foetus: thanks god not. |
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| 20:50.15 | foetus | bzed: ? |
| 20:50.35 | bzed | foetus: that would be pretty insane, so no :) |
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| 20:51.33 | danielig | bzed, sorry I don't find the bot's answer. (using empathy= |
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| 20:52.40 | bzed | !grml |
| 20:52.41 | dpkg | grml is a bootable CD (Live CD) originally <based on> Knoppix, now Debian. It includes a collection of GNU/Linux software especially for users of text tools and system administrators. It can be used as a rescue system, for analyzing systems/networks or as a working environment. http://grml.org/ #grml on irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:52.44 | bzed | danielig: ^ |
| 20:52.49 | danielig | thanks bzed |
| 20:52.52 | mertin | hi, does anyone know if you can run keyboard shortcuts as root in gnome? |
| 20:52.52 | bzed | danielig: normally a chat window should pop up from dpkg |
| 20:53.12 | danielig | not in empathy. |
| 20:53.21 | foetus | bzed: ok, sounds easy. thanks |
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| 20:53.49 | bzed | foetus: I can't see a reason why you'd want to do that |
| 20:53.51 | nutron | ok back to fglrx, because I can't use their special config programs etc as I'm in a thin client environment... can someone share their lenny xorg.conf with me? The driver is loading, but it complains that no screens are found... so, I must find out why and hand-craft some x config fun |
| 20:53.57 | bzed | foetus: if you want to test things, change /etc/hosts on your client |
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| 20:54.39 | thewanderer1 | mertin: use sudo or something similar for that |
| 20:55.19 | qwd | How can I kill aptitude? It froze during an install, while it was unpacking |
| 20:55.31 | thewanderer1 | kill $(pidof aptitude) |
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| 20:55.55 | qwd | thewanderer1: how do I find out what the pid is? |
| 20:56.10 | mertin | yes but if I do that (being a keyb shortcut) I'd be obliged to make my user not needing authentication (this editing /etc/sudoers) but I don't want such a big security breach |
| 20:56.11 | thewanderer1 | qwd: I gave you a complete command |
| 20:56.19 | qwd | thewanderer1: oh, thanks :) |
| 20:56.38 | mertin | I guess I'm stuck |
| 20:56.52 | mertin | maybe forcing the app to run as user and not as root |
| 20:57.01 | mertin | its an app installed through aptitude |
| 20:57.19 | mertin | that loads at startup |
| 20:58.46 | qwd | thewanderer1: I did it but I still can't lock the cache file |
| 20:59.00 | foetus | bzed: yes, for sure. i'm near finish with my virtual hosts, maybe there is such feature, would be useful in my case..but it is not, so i better leave it.. |
| 20:59.22 | thewanderer1 | qwd: delete the file and restore it |
| 20:59.31 | foetus | bzed: thanks |
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| 21:00.23 | qwd | thewanderer1: http://pastebin.com/5AspgfFH |
| 21:01.13 | thewanderer1 | qwd: yeah, remove the lockfile |
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| 21:02.27 | danielig | I just wanted to check the procedure here to install the squeeze kernel from the rescue system. |
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| 21:02.43 | nutron | oh fun fglrx doesn't know my chipset... why is this crap always so flaky |
| 21:02.44 | nutron | ? |
| 21:02.55 | bzed | nutron: closed source. |
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| 21:03.34 | qwd | thewanderer1: thanks, I misunderstood at first :) |
| 21:03.37 | nutron | aye, I was being rhetorical, grrr. I thought AMD opened up code for us "open socialists"? |
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| 21:04.07 | bzed | nutron: not for all chipsets, and fglxr is the closed source driver. probably try radeon or so ;) |
| 21:04.26 | nutron | bzed: radeon doesn't support the chipset either |
| 21:04.36 | nutron | i wonder if lenny-backports has some love for me |
| 21:04.59 | Eftarjin | hi. I configured exim to use a smarthost, put my password in /etc/exim4/passwd.client, but exim still connects without AUTH. Any idea of whatâs going on? |
| 21:05.25 | qwd | Argh, I got another aptitude freeze when trying to install gajim! |
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| 21:06.06 | danielig | so I go into the system with chroot and then just do apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.32-686 |
| 21:06.09 | danielig | ? |
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| 21:06.51 | danielig | I should probably mount all the partitions first. |
| 21:06.56 | danielig | right? |
| 21:07.16 | nutron | hmm think if I go with xorg from backports i'm asking for trouble? |
| 21:07.53 | Bill | Hi Guys |
| 21:08.03 | foetus | so, its finished, hope apache works nice, tests on the server are ok.. with the help of god - it is workin..:) |
| 21:08.08 | nutron | oh there is no backported xorg |
| 21:08.29 | nutron | meh! the bane of windows strikes deep |
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| 21:09.26 | foetus | now i need a beer *offtopic :) |
| 21:09.27 | petemc | Eftarjin: http://pkg-exim4.alioth.debian.org/README/README.Debian.etch.html#smtp-auth |
| 21:09.52 | Bill | I've been trying to locate mysql.sock for lenny without success. I am running mysql 5.0.51a |
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| 21:10.08 | Bill | can anyone assit me ? |
| 21:10.30 | Eftarjin | petemc: thanks, but Iâve read this, done as it says, and exim still doesnât use auth |
| 21:10.39 | mertin | hey, does anyone here remember me from earlier this morning? I was requesting help in removing evolution and other annoying apps from gnome without losing the gnome metapackage that takes *all* the gnome apps with it |
| 21:10.52 | petemc | Bill: /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock |
| 21:10.55 | mertin | we discussed unmarkauto |
| 21:10.56 | Bill | as i can not find it included in any mysql package on debian |
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| 21:11.28 | petemc | Eftarjin: you mentioned putting your password in there, it needs the server, username and password |
| 21:11.38 | Bill | petemc: is mysqld.sock same as mysql.sock ? |
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| 21:11.52 | petemc | Bill: what do you want to do with it when you find it? |
| 21:11.53 | Bill | Thanks in advance :) |
| 21:11.54 | foetus | ? |
| 21:12.24 | Bill | I intend using to connect kamailio to mysql |
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| 21:12.31 | Eftarjin | petemc: thatâs what I did. actually with 3 different DNS aliases (the one in the config, the CNAME target, and the reverse for the IP) |
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| 21:12.36 | qwd | What aptitude command did you use to remove a package in a bad state? It says I need to reinstall before removing but that doesn't work. I can't seem to find it at http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/rn01re01.html |
| 21:13.12 | Bill | petemc: I intend using it to connect kamailio with mysql |
| 21:13.42 | mertin | hey, does anyone here remember me from earlier this morning? I was requesting help in removing evolution and other annoying apps from gnome without losing the gnome metapackage that takes *all* the gnome apps with it |
| 21:13.54 | mertin | we discussed unmarkauto |
| 21:14.14 | petemc | Bill: then the path i gave you should work |
| 21:14.32 | Bill | petemc: Thanks |
| 21:14.46 | mertin | no one? |
| 21:14.48 | qwd | mete: it may not be of any use for you but what I did was to install the gnome-core package and add everything I wanted myself. |
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| 21:15.23 | danielig | mertin, the gnome metapackage should not remove all the packages I thought. |
| 21:15.24 | petemc | Eftarjin: http://wiki.debian.org/PkgExim4UserFAQ#HowcanIdebugSMTPAUTHand.2BAC8-orotherSMTPaspects |
| 21:15.30 | danielig | did you try? |
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| 21:17.12 | Eftarjin | petemc: using swaks or thunderbird i can test that auth works on the server. my problem is that exim (as a client to the smarthost) does not event attempt to auth. I see that in wireshark |
| 21:18.26 | mertin | it does |
| 21:18.35 | mertin | it warns me twice |
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| 21:18.52 | mertin | the second time listing all packages wich sums up to 1 GB |
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| 21:19.43 | foetus | ok, lets imaging all the stuff.. |
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| 21:20.33 | thewanderer1 | mertin: aptitude keep-all |
| 21:21.05 | petemc | Eftarjin: exim4 -bt foo@remotedomain , which transport does it show? |
| 21:21.07 | mertin | thewandererl: that looks promising |
| 21:22.04 | Eftarjin | petemc: router = smarthost, transport = remote_smtp_smarthost , host exyr.org [88.191.125.226] port=587 |
| 21:22.31 | Eftarjin | petemc: I have an entry for exyr.org in passwd.client |
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| 21:23.02 | mertin | thewandererl: I'm not sure how to use keep-all |
| 21:23.10 | mertin | suppose I want to remove evolution |
| 21:23.15 | themill | you really don't want keep-all. |
| 21:23.22 | petemc | Eftarjin: permissions on passwd.client ok? |
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| 21:24.48 | Eftarjin | petemc: itâs a symlink to a file that is -rw-r----- 1 root Debian-exim |
| 21:24.48 | mertin | themill: why is that |
| 21:24.56 | mertin | I think you were here this morning |
| 21:25.00 | mertin | ;) |
| 21:25.09 | petemc | Eftarjin: look at at remote_smtp_smarthost: in your config (exim4 -bV will show the config its using) |
| 21:25.14 | themill | mertin: because you would lose all information about automatically installed packages, and that's a pain in the backside |
| 21:25.17 | mertin | so how should I do this apparently trivial task of removing evolution?! |
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| 21:25.46 | Eftarjin | petemc: but, oh, thatâs probably the problem. Debian-exim can not read because of the permissions on the directory containing the symlink target |
| 21:25.52 | NiLon | mertin darwing award is popular method |
| 21:27.29 | mertin | NiLon: how's that |
| 21:27.53 | mertin | did you mispell? |
| 21:28.07 | themill | mertin: have you shown us the output of "aptitude remove evolution" yet? |
| 21:28.09 | Eftarjin | petemc: that was it. thanks for putting me on the right track. I wanted passwd.client to live in my (encrypted) home dir, but I have 700 permissions on ~ |
| 21:28.17 | petemc | np |
| 21:28.21 | mertin | I'll do it now |
| 21:28.45 | mertin | what was the name of that tool to paste debian code? |
| 21:28.53 | mertin | forgot, sorry I'm new here |
| 21:29.07 | thewanderer1 | paste.debian.net |
| 21:29.25 | mertin | pastebin got it |
| 21:30.02 | qwd | Would someone with Squeeze AMD64 please try installing gajim? aptitude keeps freezing at "Unpacking gajim (from .../gajim_0.13.4-1+b1_amd64.deb) ... |
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| 21:31.33 | mertin | heres the output for aptitude remove evolution |
| 21:31.44 | mertin | note that I have done unmarkauto to evolution |
| 21:31.48 | mertin | http://paste.org/pastebin/view/21942 |
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| 21:32.14 | mertin | please guess your translation, sorry it's in spanish |
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| 21:32.34 | mertin | I'll put it back in english for support benefits |
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| 21:33.10 | mertin | but basically it says it will remove the packages gnome and g-d-e |
| 21:33.12 | themill | mertin: "unmarkauto evolution" is completely meaningless. You need to unmarkauto gnome-core and all the other packages that gnome-desktop-envirnoment depends on instead. |
| 21:33.17 | danielig | okay I got my system running but I don't get to the point of installing the new kernel image. |
| 21:33.39 | danielig | I tried using apt-get install -f, didn't work. |
| 21:33.50 | mertin | yes it looks like I got it backwards |
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| 21:33.59 | danielig | I tried apt-get dist-upgrade, didn't work |
| 21:34.00 | mertin | so how do I unmarkauto such a big list of files?? |
| 21:34.12 | themill | danielig: "aptitude install linux-image-686" (or similar) |
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| 21:34.41 | danielig | I tried apt-get install linux-image-2.6.30-2-686, didn't work |
| 21:34.53 | themill | danielig: not 2.6.30... remember? |
| 21:35.05 | mertin | can't I just unmarkauto gnome? |
| 21:35.09 | mertin | and g-d-e |
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| 21:35.21 | mertin | instead of the list of packages |
| 21:35.22 | themill | mertin: please understand what unmarkauto actually does and how that doesn't help |
| 21:36.38 | mertin | right sorry. I guess unmarkauto cuts a package's ties with all the other packages it depends on. So when evolution takes away g-d-e, I wont lose the unmarkautoed packages |
| 21:36.40 | mertin | right? |
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| 21:37.37 | themill | more or less, yes. |
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| 21:38.15 | themill | mertin: "aptitude unmarkauto '~R^gnome$' '~R^gnome-desktop-environment$'" should do it for you |
| 21:38.22 | mertin | so my goal is to unmarkauto all the packages that come with gnome and g-d-e so that when I remove evolution it will take away gnome and g-d-e as metapackages but will not take the packages that I marked |
| 21:38.37 | danielig | when I just try aptitude install kernel-image-686 i get thelong message that suggests upgrading udev etc and then warns me that my system will be unuseable |
| 21:38.51 | themill | mertin: yes |
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| 21:39.11 | themill | danielig: and in that message it tells you how to force the upgrade |
| 21:39.53 | danielig | yes, and it won't do it even if I force the upgrade. |
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| 21:40.06 | Eftarjin | petemc: is there some other way to avoid having a password in cleartext on the filesystem? (passwd.client) |
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| 21:40.24 | mertin | themill: I'd love an explanation for that line, so I can learn |
| 21:40.28 | mertin | theach the masses |
| 21:40.30 | mertin | teach |
| 21:40.33 | themill | mertin: /msg dpkg aptitude search |
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| 21:41.14 | themill | danielig: can you pastebin what you did? "touch /etc/udev/kernel-upgrade; aptitude install kernel-image-686" should complete successfully. |
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| 21:41.35 | qwd | Debian Squeeze AMD64. When I try to install any package aptitude freezes during the unpacking of the .deb. I try to fix it by doing the following: (1. kill $(pidof aptitude) (2. rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock (3. dpkg --remove --force-remove-reinstreq PACKAGE // but every time I try to install something it freezes again. Any ideas? |
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| 21:43.01 | petemc | Eftarjin: not that im aware of |
| 21:43.09 | nickaugust | hey want package should i use to suspend to ram on my laptop? macbook with no X windows |
| 21:43.51 | mertin | themill: I dont understand /msg |
| 21:44.07 | mertin | it returns error |
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| 21:44.34 | Eftarjin | petemc: well, thanks again |
| 21:45.26 | themill | dpkg: tell mertin about aptitude search |
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| 21:45.46 | danielig | ah, I was missing to touch /etc/udev/kernel-upgrade. |
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| 21:46.44 | mertin | themill: by the way, trying aptitude remove evolution after your previous line, now evolution takes away 460 MB instead of the previous 1 GB, and I think there are still some packages that should stay: abiword, xsane, something python |
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| 21:47.30 | mertin | would it be because of the metapackage "evolution-exchange"? |
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| 21:50.13 | qwd | dpkg --configure -a didn't solve anything either. |
| 21:50.13 | dpkg | qwd: i haven't a clue |
| 21:50.39 | Agiofws | http://imagebin.org/112204 |
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| 21:51.35 | tharkun | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:52.11 | eirikb | Hello. If I want to make a quick peek at the source for an application, where should I look? |
| 21:52.24 | eirikb | Simple command line tool |
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| 21:53.14 | mertin | themill: your command did work for g-d-e but not for gnome, apparently. Removing any gnome native app still warns about removing 105 packages (309 MB) |
| 21:53.34 | eirikb | And the actual app I want too look at is strip |
| 21:53.35 | mertin | unless it's something else |
| 21:53.51 | abrotman | mertin: did you give us the status of evolution ? |
| 21:54.04 | mertin | yes |
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| 21:54.09 | nickaugust | hey want package should i use to suspend to ram on my laptop? macbook with no X windows |
| 21:54.15 | themill | mertin: hypotheticals are difficult to deal with. Real output is easier. |
| 21:54.15 | nickaugust | s/want/what |
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| 21:54.28 | mertin | http://paste.org/pastebin/view/21942 |
| 21:54.44 | mertin | ok I'll paste the output now |
| 21:54.46 | mertin | what it says |
| 21:54.48 | abrotman | mertin: LANG=C <command> |
| 21:54.53 | mertin | when I remove rhythmbox |
| 21:55.24 | phogg | I have e16 installed and selected as my x-window-manager alternative. I also have openbox installed I have several x-session-manager alternatives, of which openbox-session is one. When I startx with no user xinitrc or xsession I get an openbox environment with the openbox window manager, not e16 as I would expect |
| 21:55.48 | phogg | is there a way to have x-session-managers installed but not use them in preference to the x-window-manager? |
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| 21:56.47 | mertin | http://paste.org/pastebin/view/21943 |
| 21:56.54 | mertin | that's my current status |
| 21:57.00 | mertin | removing any native gnome app |
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| 21:57.18 | abrotman | mertin: LANG=C <command> |
| 21:57.29 | danielig1 | bloodz empathy... |
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| 21:57.51 | danielig1 | s/bloodz/bloody |
| 21:57.52 | abrotman | mertin: what is: aptitude search '~nrhythmbox' ? |
| 21:57.58 | mertin | great thanks, didn't know about tht |
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| 21:59.23 | mertin | http://paste.org/pastebin/view/21944 |
| 21:59.26 | mertin | there it is in english |
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| 21:59.51 | phogg | I guess I don't understand how x-session-manager fits in to deciding what WM I get |
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| 22:00.35 | mertin | abrotman: that shows rhythmbox with 'i A' |
| 22:01.07 | abrotman | mertin: oh, moment |
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| 22:01.39 | mertin | the same happens with any native gnome app that I try to remove. Its insane |
| 22:01.44 | PsychiC_ | is ZzzzzZzzzzZZzzzz.... |
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| 22:01.45 | ZenWalker | hi |
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| 22:02.03 | ZenWalker | when testing is frozen, sid too is frozen? |
| 22:02.15 | abrotman | mertin: what if you unmarkauto the other two rhythmbox packages? |
| 22:02.22 | abrotman | ZenWalker: not really, but it kind of ends up that way |
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| 22:04.06 | danielig1 | loves debian again... |
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| 22:04.16 | mertin | http://paste.org/pastebin/view/21946 |
| 22:04.25 | mertin | you mean dbg and plugins? |
| 22:04.44 | phogg | so I see in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/50x11-common_determine-startup that X will always try to use x-session-manager before trying any x-window-manager. It seems that with this scheme if you have any session manager installed you cannot use a plain window manager as a default. Which seems kind of crazy. |
| 22:04.55 | mertin | abrotman: you mean dbg and plugins? |
| 22:05.01 | mertin | those rhythm packages |
| 22:05.05 | abrotman | 2)   rhythmbox-plugin-cdrecorder   |
| 22:05.05 | abrotman | 3)   rhythmbox-plugins  |
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| 22:05.47 | foetus | to kill squid, do: if [ `pidof squid` ] ; [ `pidof "(squid)"` ] ; then /etc/init.d/squid stop ; fi - curious.. |
| 22:05.53 | mertin | and why not rhythmbox-plugin-coherence too? |
| 22:05.59 | mertin | I don't understand your criteria |
| 22:06.10 | phogg | foetus: um, why? |
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| 22:07.40 | foetus | phogg: i often write some autoscripts for automatically starting or stopping servers, thats the only reason.. |
| 22:07.59 | phogg | foetus: no, I mean "Why so complicated?" |
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| 22:08.34 | phogg | wouldn't pidof squid && /etc/init.d/squid stop be sufficient? |
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| 22:09.43 | foetus | phogg: but the curiosity is, squid is running two processes named squid (ps), but you must kill these as 'squid' and then '(squid)'.. |
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| 22:10.12 | helo | what is ata3 or ata3.01? |
| 22:10.15 | foetus | phogg: you cannot do a killall to a server i mean |
| 22:10.24 | helo | (besides failing on my machine...) |
| 22:10.28 | helo | /dev/sda3? |
| 22:10.32 | helo | err... sdc |
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| 22:10.45 | phogg | foetus: I don't run squid anywhere so I don't really have anything to say to that |
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| 22:11.06 | foetus | phogg: i see ;) |
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| 22:11.11 | mertin | themill: I think I'll let rhythmbox, evolution, games, etc to dwell inside my box |
| 22:11.19 | mertin | this is beyond reasonability |
| 22:11.32 | abrotman | mertin: let me try to goof with it here for a moment or two |
| 22:11.35 | mertin | I'll just remove them from the menu and leave them be |
| 22:11.42 | mertin | ok great |
| 22:11.43 | Escherial | hey, so i feel pretty stuck with debian lenny...what would be the least painful way to migrate to sketch or sid? |
| 22:11.53 | Escherial | (the lack of python 2.6 support is especially galling) |
| 22:12.02 | mertin | I have to go. I'll come back in an hour or too. Otherwise we'll talk one of these days |
| 22:12.13 | phogg | Escherial: one does not simply migrate to sid |
| 22:12.13 | mertin | this should be easier than this |
| 22:12.15 | simonrvn | squeeze you mean? |
| 22:12.25 | Escherial | er, whatever is the most 'cutting-edge' distribution |
| 22:12.26 | foetus | but - it works in this way now, however.. |
| 22:12.42 | Escherial | i suppose it'll come down to backing up my data, formatting, and reinstalling :\ |
| 22:12.50 | phogg | Escherial: squeeze. sid isn't exactly a distribution, it's more like a place on the map marked "here there be dragons" |
| 22:13.07 | abrotman | mertin: okay |
| 22:13.11 | phogg | Escherial: no. What a terrible thought! |
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| 22:13.27 | Escherial | apologies in advance for my ignorance :\ |
| 22:13.30 | phogg | Escherial: change your sources and aptitude safe-upgrade, to start. |
| 22:13.43 | phogg | Escherial: but be sure you want to do this first because there is no such thing as a downgrade |
| 22:13.45 | abrotman | mertgrrrrrr |
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| 22:14.35 | Escherial | i more want the box for development purposes than to run mission-critical services; i'm not even running X on it, so it's not like it's my regular desktop |
| 22:14.53 | Escherial | o |
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| 22:15.29 | Escherial | er, i'm mostly considering upgrading first for reliable python support (dealing with having 2.5 and 2.6 installed from source is getting hairy), and second for bluetooth wiimote support |
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| 22:16.44 | phogg | Escherial: for whatever reason; it doesn't matter to me. Rest assured that Debian does online upgrade better than anything else close to its complexity level (read: approximately perfectly most of the time). It's mostly a matter of saying "go" and waiting. |
| 22:17.37 | Escherial | so it isn't going to choke if i've attempted to install a ton of stuff from source that may introduce dependency issues? |
| 22:17.40 | phogg | Escherial: that said, be aware that squeeze is not yet stable and you may see issues. |
| 22:18.06 | phogg | Escherial: it will simply ignore those things since they don't exist as far as apt is concerned |
| 22:19.05 | phogg | Escherial: those things might be in a broken state afterwards, depending on what changed under them. This is not a big issue since you can always re-make. |
| 22:19.14 | Escherial | that's true |
| 22:19.28 | Escherial | hmm. well, ok then, i suppose i'm ready to take the leap. how do i change my sources? |
| 22:19.45 | phogg | Escherial: edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:20.05 | phogg | it should be fairly self evident what to do, but there are plenty of guides on the internet |
| 22:20.21 | Escherial | is this a 'sanctioned' thing to do, or is this one of those situations where you end up annoying people when you encounter problems after doing something non-standard? |
| 22:20.31 | Escherial | alright, thank you; i'll take a look |
| 22:20.38 | phogg | I hesitate to describe it exactly because mine is probably not much like yours |
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| 22:21.19 | phogg | Escherial: well in a certain sense testing isn't intended for end users, so it's not exactly sanctioned. On the other hand a smooth upgrade from one release to the next is expected to work |
| 22:21.34 | phogg | better to catch any such upgrade bugs now |
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| 22:23.45 | Escherial | i'm just hoping that i won't find myself marooned by the package manager when i try to install something contemporary that has a dependency which lenny doesn't support |
| 22:23.55 | Escherial | (er, or squeeze, as it were) |
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| 22:25.16 | phogg | Escherial: contemporary with what? |
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| 22:27.53 | Escherial | oh, i remember why cwiid was being such a pill...it's because of the python 2.5 issue |
| 22:28.19 | jordanm | what issue? |
| 22:28.24 | jordanm | ,versions cwiid |
| 22:28.25 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'cwiid' was found. |
| 22:28.28 | Escherial | i guess it just comes down to needing support for python 2.5+ |
| 22:28.33 | Escherial | it goes by libcwiid1, i believe |
| 22:28.47 | Escherial | squeeze has support for python 2.6, i imagine? |
| 22:28.50 | jordanm | ,versions libcwiid1 |
| 22:28.51 | judd | libcwiid1 -- lenny: 0.6.00-4; sid: 0.6.00+svn201-2+b2; squeeze: 0.6.00+svn201-2+b2 |
| 22:29.01 | jordanm | ,depends libcwiid1 |
| 22:29.02 | judd | libcwiid1 -- depends: libbluetooth2 (>= 3.14), libc6 (>= 2.7-1). |
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| 22:29.19 | jordanm | Escherial: its packaged for lenny, and doesn't appear to use python |
| 22:29.28 | Escherial | er, by the way, i'm a complete newbie, so many of the questions i'm asking are probably nonsensical to the point of being irritating |
| 22:30.01 | Escherial | hmm :\ it's been a while, but it looks like you're right. i guess that answers that question, thank you :) |
| 22:30.01 | foetus | thats good.. |
| 22:30.16 | jordanm | Escherial: if you are using debian packages and the application does not function at all, then that is a grave functionality bug. however, this is likely a user configuration error... |
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| 22:32.19 | SparFux1 | Why is my gv (ghostview) program so darn slow when it comes to move to the next page in a book? |
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| 22:33.11 | themill | SparFux1: you understand that it's emulating a printer and that not all postscript is really designed to be viewed "random access" like that, don't you? |
| 22:33.40 | SparFux1 | themill: aha. so then pdf might very well be a better format for reading on screen? |
| 22:33.46 | dondelelcaro | SparFux1: often, yes |
| 22:34.03 | thewanderer1 | how to make Samba read user info from MySQL instead of LDAP? |
| 22:34.09 | dondelelcaro | but even then it can be slow. [there are methods of making ps faster to view, but that generally involves preprocessing] |
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| 22:34.27 | SparFux1 | I'd say such a program should cache information and be able to precache a whole .ps file with a specific configurable density. Then iit would be pretty fast. |
| 22:35.02 | dondelelcaro | SparFux1: that can take tons of memory, but feel free to send in patches. ghostscript is free software |
| 22:35.50 | SparFux1 | I know :-) |
| 22:35.51 | Sia-- | actelly , i wish to know, what is the best hard format for usb stick? |
| 22:35.51 | themill | SparFux1: you're talking about pretty enormous amounts of memory required to do that. PDF readers that do exactly that frequently run out of memory when trying to render complex documents. |
| 22:36.09 | Sia-- | if you use it as data transfer and backup! |
| 22:36.41 | SparFux1 | themill: well, at least the xpdf seems to be faster then gv, viewing the same pdf file. |
| 22:37.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | "hard format"? |
| 22:38.35 | SparFux1 | CutMeOwnThroat: I think you mean some kind of bitmap inside the pdf. Well, it's one and the same file at least. and the xpdf is much faster. |
| 22:38.54 | SparFux1 | I hope it's not a bad video setting, I use. |
| 22:39.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | SparFux1, I was asking what Sia-- meant with that expression |
| 22:39.27 | SparFux1 | CutMeOwnThroat: ah ok. sorry. :-) |
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| 22:40.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | :) |
| 22:40.54 | bint | well i installed openssh-server but now i can't start or config is because in /etc/init.d/ there is no ssh |
| 22:40.56 | bint | what to do? |
| 22:41.12 | bint | aptitude remove openssh-server ? aptitude install openssh-server ? |
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| 22:41.55 | nutron | as I don't need acceleration, can I just run the ati driver with some tweaks to get this native resolution going? |
| 22:42.04 | nutron | pines for a windows driver disk :s |
| 22:42.32 | jordanm | nutron: what version of debian and which card? |
| 22:42.56 | nutron | jordanm: it's an HD4200 oboard, device 9710, running lenny |
| 22:43.25 | nutron | I tried fglrx, but it's too old and doesn't understand the model |
| 22:44.12 | nutron | using backports is kinda a bad option since fglrx pulls in a lot of dependencies I don't want, including the 2.6.32 kernel, which unto itself is not a bad thing, but as I'm running a production thin client setup, I'm trying to keep the changes minimal |
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| 22:45.41 | jordanm | nutron: what is the pciid for the card? lspci -nn |
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| 22:46.38 | nutron | jordanm: 1002:9710 |
| 22:46.50 | jordanm | ,xorg 1002:9710 |
| 22:46.51 | judd | Device 1002:9710 is not matched by any xorg drivers in lenny or sid. |
| 22:46.58 | nutron | :( |
| 22:47.04 | jordanm | nutron: that actually only checks lenny |
| 22:47.08 | nutron | rrrrrough |
| 22:47.29 | nutron | Ok, hmm, well can I graft something in that's... say, simple? or light? |
| 22:47.43 | jordanm | nutron: you are likely looking at either the backports kernel upgrade, or a xorg upgrade (squeeze upgrade), including kernel upgrade |
| 22:47.59 | abrotman | i said thta! |
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| 22:48.03 | foetus | uff |
| 22:48.08 | jordanm | ,depends fglrx-kernel-source --release squeeze |
| 22:48.09 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'fglrx-kernel-source' was found in squeeze/i386. |
| 22:48.17 | nutron | jordanm: any way I can check to see if the backports fglrx driver actually has support for this? |
| 22:48.39 | nutron | abrotman: heh I know :P you also recommended fglrx \o/ |
| 22:48.49 | jordanm | ,versions fglrx-glx |
| 22:48.51 | judd | fglrx-glx -- etch-backports/non-free: 8.47.3-3~bpo40+1; lenny/non-free: 1:8-12-4; lenny-backports/non-free: 1:10-4-1~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 1:10-7-1; sid/non-free: 1:10-8-1 |
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| 22:49.12 | foetus | btw i must go to bed now bye.. |
| 22:49.33 | jordanm | nutron: for squeeze: http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/catalyst_107_linux.pdf |
| 22:49.56 | Burns | I can't install php5 in my server |
| 22:49.56 | jordanm | nutron: the lenny fglrx seemed to cover call HD4xxx except the 4200 series |
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| 22:50.05 | Burns | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 22:50.05 | jordanm | !tell Burns about bat |
| 22:50.05 | Burns | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:50.05 | Burns | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:51.06 | Burns | yea I already did apt-get install php5 mysql-server php5-mysql libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 22:51.08 | nutron | jordanm: ok, yikes, I'm gonna have a stampede on my hands when all the thin clients break! :P |
| 22:51.11 | themill | Burns: why are you running squeeze on a server? |
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| 22:51.33 | Burns | I just google for a sources and used an updated one |
| 22:51.48 | thewanderer1 | Burns: you're mixing stable with testing and sid? O.o |
| 22:51.59 | nutron | Burns, you're running the risk of really messing things up. |
| 22:52.05 | Burns | :/ |
| 22:52.24 | Burns | Which sources you suggest for a server |
| 22:52.32 | jordanm | nutron: I think you will be fairly safe from breakage as long as you test the kernel upgrades |
| 22:52.33 | thewanderer1 | Burns: stick with the defaults |
| 22:52.47 | Burns | I was gettin an error with them |
| 22:52.54 | thewanderer1 | Burns: what Debian release? |
| 22:53.00 | nutron | oh, does apt-cache not work with the -t option? |
| 22:53.13 | Burns | 5 |
| 22:53.14 | thewanderer1 | nutron: no, it shows all versions |
| 22:53.18 | jordanm | nutron: apt-cache policy |
| 22:53.27 | thewanderer1 | Burns: so tell us what error you were getting |
| 22:53.32 | nutron | sorry it's been a long time since I transitioned to aptitude |
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| 22:53.45 | Burns | I will have to rebuild my server |
| 22:54.28 | jordanm | nutron: aptitude search ~Alenny-backports |
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| 22:55.15 | nutron | no aptitude available on the thin client image, breaks lenny :/ |
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| 22:55.30 | jordanm | nutron: its part of the base system? |
| 22:55.47 | nutron | jordanm: not according to the ltsp system :/ |
| 22:55.56 | jordanm | ah |
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| 22:56.15 | nutron | I ran into major issues a while back when I was happily using aptitude couldn't figure out why I was missing packages etc. |
| 22:56.21 | nutron | I think the squeeze version allows it |
| 22:56.37 | nutron | or fixes whatever problem it had/has |
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| 22:57.09 | nutron | ok, so using the bpo repository, do I need to build 'em? or are there pre-made packages? |
| 22:57.26 | nutron | I'm missing something here I think. |
| 22:57.29 | thewanderer1 | guys, how to make Samba pull user info and passwords from MySQL? |
| 22:57.31 | jordanm | !bpo |
| 22:57.31 | dpkg | backports.org is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://deb.li/bpoi . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added: "aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update". <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents> <bpo list> <backports-users> <bpo kernel> |
| 22:57.37 | thewanderer1 | LDAP is not manageable... |
| 22:58.23 | Burns | W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.debian.org/debian-security/dists/lenny/updates/non-free/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 130.89.149.226 80] |
| 22:58.23 | Burns | E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
| 22:58.42 | Burns | thewanderer1 thats them |
| 22:58.52 | nutron | jordanm: I know what bpo is :P, lenny provides pre-compiled modules, bpo does not seem to, I was asking if it did? |
| 22:58.59 | thewanderer1 | Burns: it's true, such location does not exist... |
| 22:59.09 | Burns | thats the default sources |
| 22:59.50 | Burns | thats why i was lookin for an update one |
| 23:00.00 | Burns | updated* |
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| 23:00.18 | thewanderer1 | Burns: I have no idea where you got these sources... |
| 23:00.34 | bint | i know i shouldn't but i'm searching the name of the openssh-server package.. i want to download and install it.. wasn't there a command like apt-cache search ssh oder aptitude search ssh ? |
| 23:00.46 | Burns | would like you to give me a working sources |
| 23:00.46 | jordanm | nutron: you either want the -dkms or -source |
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| 23:00.51 | Burns | you like* |
| 23:00.57 | jordanm | ,depends fglrx-source |
| 23:00.59 | thewanderer1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:00.59 | judd | fglrx-source -- depends: debhelper (>= 5), make, bzip2. |
| 23:01.09 | thewanderer1 | bint: apt-cache search ssh |
| 23:01.16 | imavlr | how do I check what video driver version I'm using? |
| 23:01.16 | nutron | jordanm: perfect, thanks. |
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| 23:01.25 | jordanm | nutron: and it doesn't look like the non-dkms will require the newer kernel, but must be built with m-a |
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| 23:01.42 | nutron | last question, it seems I run the -486 kernel in the i386 chroot, what's the difference between 486 and 686? |
| 23:01.47 | bint | and why the hell doesn't it list any ssh-server |
| 23:01.53 | bint | its just showing ssh clients |
| 23:02.17 | nutron | jordanm: :o ooh I can do that |
| 23:02.25 | thewanderer1 | bint: apt-cache search openssh-server |
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| 23:02.35 | jordanm | nutron: 486 is obviously older hardware, IIRC a 2gb RAM limit? |
| 23:02.58 | thewanderer1 | nutron: what? you don't run kernels in chroots... |
| 23:03.07 | nutron | jordanm: aye, but nothing crazy huh? my oldest thin client is a duron 800 |
| 23:03.11 | bint | [01:02] <thewanderer1> bint: apt-cache search openssh-server - doesn't find anything |
| 23:03.16 | jordanm | nutron: a chroot doesn't run a kernel though, it would be running on the host |
| 23:03.16 | bint | just gives me another return |
| 23:03.40 | nutron | thewanderer1: no you don't. but the thin client loads it via pxe... |
| 23:03.46 | thewanderer1 | bint: if I were you, I would seriously update my sources.list and run aptitude update |
| 23:03.58 | bint | ahhh |
| 23:04.01 | bint | this is it i think |
| 23:04.06 | bint | the shit thx! sorry i'm new |
| 23:04.09 | jordanm | nutron: we still have some dumb terminals |
| 23:04.09 | thewanderer1 | nutron: ah ok... I think Wikipedia might have an article on arch differences |
| 23:04.37 | nutron | it was more of a fleeting thought... |
| 23:04.52 | nutron | the 486 kernel was installed by default, I just don't think I originally bothered moving it up |
| 23:05.02 | Burns | : Failed to fetch http://ftp.debian.org/debian-volatile/dists/lenny/volatile/non-free/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 130.89.149.226 80] |
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| 23:05.19 | moldovean | nutron, for >=pII use 686 |
| 23:05.21 | thewanderer1 | nutron: if you have any i486 CPUs there, let me know! :P |
| 23:05.40 | thewanderer1 | moldovean: Wikipedia says, for anything since Pentium Pro use 686 |
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| 23:05.50 | bint | is this: i A openssl - Secure Socket Layer (SSL) binary and relat - the openssh server? |
| 23:05.50 | abrotman | including PPro |
| 23:06.00 | abrotman | bint: no, that would be openssh-server |
| 23:06.03 | bint | coz i can't find a package with openssh-server - even after updating |
| 23:06.08 | nutron | thewanderer1: hah, I wish I did actually, I miss my old 486sx25 ... it played doom like a champ |
| 23:06.38 | bint | why is it always so hard for beginners.. |
| 23:06.46 | nutron | pentium pro still sounds more hefty than a duron :) |
| 23:06.46 | bint | why doesn't it just fuckin list the openssh-server grrrr |
| 23:06.49 | thewanderer1 | bint: http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ - get some sources... |
| 23:07.12 | thewanderer1 | some working ones - because your current sources are obviously messed up |
| 23:07.17 | nutron | bint: for excellence, you have to learn the pace |
| 23:08.06 | bint | but how come.. i just set up my debian with a freshly installed release from the official website |
| 23:09.10 | thewanderer1 | bint: I think you have replaced the sources somehow |
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| 23:09.51 | moldovean | bint, used CD-1 , or so ? |
| 23:09.56 | bint | yep |
| 23:09.58 | bint | just cd-1 |
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| 23:10.02 | bint | what should i use instead? |
| 23:10.45 | thepro4ever | where are docs for a package i installed likely to be located? i'm looking for something equivalent to a readme file for my package |
| 23:10.50 | moldovean | so never used internet on install , it and with that sources |
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| 23:11.09 | bint | no i think i didn't use internet on install |
| 23:11.14 | moldovean | !sources |
| 23:11.14 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 23:11.21 | moldovean | bint, ^^ |
| 23:11.26 | bint | do i have to remove the cd1 from the sources.list? |
| 23:11.35 | moldovean | yes |
| 23:11.39 | bint | fuck |
| 23:11.40 | bint | thx man |
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| 23:15.52 | thepro4ever | where are docs for a package i installed likely to be located? i'm looking for something equivalent to a readme file for my package |
| 23:16.03 | dondelelcaro | thepro4ever: /usr/share/doc/foopkgname/ |
| 23:16.11 | esaym153 | does it cost money to use ksplice with debian? http://www.ksplice.com/ |
| 23:16.59 | moldovean | thepro4ever, /usr/share/doc , or dpkg -L packname |
| 23:18.10 | bint | moldovean can i shortly PM you? |
| 23:18.45 | moldovean | , versions ksplice |
| 23:18.47 | judd | ksplice -- sid: 0.9.9-2; squeeze: 0.9.9-2 |
| 23:18.50 | moldovean | bint> |
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| 23:19.03 | moldovean | ask here |
| 23:19.09 | bint | i wanna paste 5 lines thats why |
| 23:19.29 | abrotman | paste.debian.net |
| 23:19.33 | moldovean | bint, add a line as "deb http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian lenny main" |
| 23:20.13 | moldovean | run aptitude update , and install what you need |
| 23:20.21 | bint | aright thx |
| 23:20.27 | bint | so http://paste.debian.net/86981/ this isn't enough |
| 23:20.32 | bint | "deb http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian lenny main" has to be in there |
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| 23:20.43 | bint | doesn't matter in the beginning or at the end.. just somewhere in there |
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| 23:21.05 | moldovean | yes |
| 23:21.37 | bint | yeah it worked |
| 23:21.39 | bint | you made my day |
| 23:21.48 | bint | i was going nuts today... |
| 23:21.55 | bint | tried to google the answer bout my ssh issue |
| 23:21.59 | bint | thx |
| 23:22.08 | moldovean | file a bug about it |
| 23:22.17 | esaym153 | judd: yea I saw that. but the website makes it look like a paid service... |
| 23:22.34 | moldovean | esaym153, who care |
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| 23:22.52 | nutron | jordanm |
| 23:22.55 | nutron | oops |
| 23:23.03 | esaym153 | moldovean: just wondering. If it is easy to use I would use it... not pay for it though |
| 23:23.27 | nutron | jordanm: do you know what the backports kernel-src package name is for fglrx? I'm having a terrible time finding it with apt-cache |
| 23:23.38 | themill | esaym153: it's free to use, but you have to get the kernel patch from somewhere. You pay for that. |
| 23:23.48 | esaym153 | bla, screw taht |
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| 23:24.55 | nutron | I'm apt-cache dumb... |
| 23:25.27 | moldovean | !as |
| 23:25.27 | dpkg | i guess as is autosearch: install apt-file and use apt-cache search <packagename> and/or apt-file search <name> , do it yourself. Don't forget to run apt-file update ;) |
| 23:25.29 | thepro4ever | how can i open up a new terminal from my current terminal? |
| 23:25.41 | moldovean | xterm |
| 23:25.59 | streuner | thepro4ever: gnome-terminal, just open a new TAB? |
| 23:26.03 | thepro4ever | i had alredy tried that and its broken |
| 23:26.38 | thepro4ever | xterm and gnome-terminal both say cannot open display |
| 23:26.46 | moldovean | not as roo |
| 23:26.47 | moldovean | t |
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| 23:26.54 | bint | ok there is another noobie one: if i go f.e. for "man ssh" there comes a list in my terminal window - how can i get out of this list again? ^X and ^C doesn't work |
| 23:26.58 | nutron | hmm apt-cache policy doesn't show a candidate for lenny-backports |
| 23:27.02 | nutron | that's why I was asking |
| 23:27.16 | thepro4ever | i fixed it |
| 23:27.17 | peterrooney | thepro4ever: you might want to look into screen |
| 23:27.33 | EduardeCalibal | bint, control + insert? |
| 23:27.33 | thepro4ever | peterrooney: it didn't work b/c i was logged in as root, silly me |
| 23:27.49 | moldovean | bint, use q |
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| 23:28.56 | peterrooney | bint: getting out depends on your pager. it's /usr/bin/less by default, but can be changed (sudo update-alternatives --config pager) |
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| 23:31.14 | abrotman | assuming he has sudo installed and configured |
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| 23:35.35 | thepro4ever | i created and placed a script into my init.d directory but it won't start the process when i boot up |
| 23:35.59 | bint | thx moldovean Q worked fine |
| 23:36.34 | thewanderer1 | thepro4ever: read up on how sysvinit works in Debian - you're missing a few parts |
| 23:36.42 | thepro4ever | shit |
| 23:36.42 | thepro4ever | reading |
| 23:36.42 | Burns | omg i need a workin sources |
| 23:36.51 | abrotman | OMG? |
| 23:37.06 | Burns | Ohh Emm Gee |
| 23:37.24 | thewanderer1 | Burns, http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ |
| 23:37.28 | abrotman | wtf .. no |
| 23:37.47 | abrotman | Burns: where are you geographically? |
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| 23:38.41 | abrotman | Burns: Mali ? |
| 23:39.01 | Burns | lol |
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| 23:39.16 | abrotman | Morocco .. anyways |
| 23:39.26 | abrotman | Burns: working sources for what? |
| 23:39.43 | themill | abrotman: for managing to not mix lenny and squeeze |
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| 23:40.11 | abrotman | oh i can do that |
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| 23:42.33 | Burns | apt-get install apache2 php5 libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 23:42.46 | Burns | bahamut:~# php -v |
| 23:42.46 | Burns | -bash: php: command not found |
| 23:42.47 | Burns | :/ |
| 23:43.03 | thewanderer1 | Burns: `php` is provided by php5-cli package |
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| 23:43.28 | thewanderer1 | Burns: I am not really sure if `php5` includes the cli version |
| 23:43.45 | bint | is it recommended to disable: "It is possible that you are being allowed to run specific programs as user root without the need for a password, or that the password is cached." for a webserver |
| 23:43.47 | Burns | after installin php5-cli it worked |
| 23:43.50 | bint | i mean is this a high security risk? |
| 23:43.54 | tharkun | Can someone please tell the packager of postfix that using procmail for an internet facing email server is not a good idea, specially when the use of virtual users might be an isue that is out of control for them. |
| 23:44.03 | pthreat|vaio | Hi, Im looking for a Upnp client for debian so far I've tried without any luck rhythmbox and elisa |
| 23:44.04 | Burns | fail tutorials |
| 23:44.06 | pthreat|vaio | and vlc |
| 23:44.33 | themill | tharkun: you can.... /msg dpkg reportbug. |
| 23:45.36 | tharkun | themill: thx but at this momment i am too pissed at my own stupidity to report an objective bug. |
| 23:45.37 | thewanderer1 | bint: I don't know what you did there, but sudo with NOPASSWD for www-data, which I'm guessing you did, is a never good idea |
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| 23:47.30 | EduardeCalibal | Hello. I need some help with c++ using gtk, someone know a good point to start? |
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| 23:47.53 | pthreat|vaio | EduardeCalibal: yeah the corresponding channels |
| 23:48.00 | thewanderer1 | EduardeCalibal: GTK is essentially a C library, just saying... |
| 23:48.31 | EduardeCalibal | I already make some testes, but now I am stuck without erros... GTK is a dead channel... :-/ |
| 23:48.53 | thewanderer1 | bint: oh, googling for this shows that you're running synaptic. X.org on a web server? sounds... interesting! anyway, if this is a trusted user, everything should be fine |
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| 23:49.00 | amphi | EduardeCalibal: gtk.org perhaps |
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| 23:52.56 | moldovean | dpkg, tell JoshuaP -about away |
| 23:53.19 | JoshuaP | what? |
| 23:54.02 | nutron | I'm gonna bounce this off all'y'all :) I have a thin client setup with an i386 chroot, linking to an i386 kernel for thin clients, I'm trying to run module-assistant .. but inside the chroot, it's.... ooooh! I can tell m-a to use a particular kernel no? or a particular architecture? |
| 23:54.12 | nutron | goes and fires up the manpage |
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| 23:55.57 | nutron | crap, no arch option ... meh meh meh meh!!! |
| 23:56.21 | pthreat|vaio | upnp client anyone |
| 23:56.29 | themill | nutron: you don't need to work across architectures though do you? (in general, cross-compiling isn't well supported) |
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| 23:58.30 | moldovean | nutron, which architecture are your clients ? |
| 23:58.39 | I_Died_Once | ok, silly question, i'm moving and deleting several large files and i keep getting an error about the trash can being too full... |
| 23:58.48 | I_Died_Once | i can not remember how to change those settings for the life of me |
