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| 00:06.59 | tharkun | How do i get rid of this set of directories that gnome thoght are usefull in any way Music Pictures Public. I know using rmdir will get rid of them. How do i tell gnome they no longer exist before it tries to use them ? |
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| 00:08.09 | Cmdr_W_T_Riker | tharkun: in what way does it try to use them |
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| 00:08.58 | nutron | themill: well my app server is amd64, m-a doesn't recognize that I'm compiling against the pxe i386 kernel, when on the thin client, the /var directory that m-a writes to etc... is mounted ro... I wonder if I can build the package by hand on the amd64 machine |
| 00:08.59 | tharkun | Cmdr_W_T_Riker: I really don't know, but if it putted them there is because it will eventually use them for something. |
| 00:09.07 | nutron | moldovean: the clients are i386 |
| 00:10.22 | Cmdr_W_T_Riker | tharkun: it just put them there, really. some applications might expect such directories to exist, but it's not a necessity really |
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| 00:11.03 | tharkun | Cmdr_W_T_Riker: Thx, a total bloat then |
| 00:11.48 | Cmdr_W_T_Riker | tharkun: agreed. i would do "rmdir ~/*" to get rid of those empty directories |
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| 00:14.23 | I_Died_Once | anyone remember off hand how exactly i can change the trash can settings? |
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| 00:17.04 | abrotman | I_Died_Once: you might want to give a few more details .. like which WM/DE |
| 00:17.22 | themill | and what "settings" you are looking for |
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| 00:19.46 | I_Died_Once | sorry, abrotman... I had just posted the problem in chat.... |
| 00:19.55 | I_Died_Once | i'm moving and deleting several large files...... |
| 00:20.09 | I_Died_Once | i keep getting "trash can has reach maximum capacity" |
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| 00:20.23 | I_Died_Once | i got a lot to delete and this message is hanging me up |
| 00:20.27 | tharkun | I_Died_Once: rm -rf /path/to/filename |
| 00:20.41 | I_Died_Once | where is it that i can find the trash can settings? |
| 00:20.48 | I_Died_Once | i've seen it before but can not find it |
| 00:21.01 | abrotman | IN WHAT? |
| 00:21.08 | I_Died_Once | squeeze |
| 00:21.16 | abrotman | be less vague |
| 00:21.19 | tharkun | I_Died_Once: What window manager are you using? |
| 00:21.20 | abrotman | i have a trash can in my kitchen |
| 00:21.31 | I_Died_Once | KDE 4 |
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| 00:23.10 | SuperMiguel | so i have a file, that its supposed to be a picture but all i have its its hex... how can i find out what kinda of file i have by looking at its hex? |
| 00:24.08 | tharkun | SuperMiguel: Horrible hack is gimp file It will automagically try to interpret the file according to its "magic line" |
| 00:24.24 | abrotman | SuperMiguel: file foo.ext |
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| 00:25.19 | ZenWalker | when testing is frozen, sid too is frozen? |
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| 00:25.32 | SuperMiguel | abrotman, file foo.ext ?? |
| 00:25.46 | I_Died_Once | SuperMiguel, make sure you have the correct extension |
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| 00:25.54 | streuner | ZenWalker: nah |
| 00:25.58 | I_Died_Once | try renaming the file and add .jpg or .png |
| 00:26.01 | streuner | ZenWalker: /msg dpkg sid |
| 00:26.03 | SuperMiguel | I_Died_Once, thats the point... i need to find the extention |
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| 00:26.18 | I_Died_Once | try the obvious |
| 00:26.38 | I_Died_Once | SuperMiguel, do you know how to edit the trash can settings in KDE 4 ??? |
| 00:26.38 | abrotman | I_Died_Once: that's not how linux works |
| 00:26.52 | abrotman | SuperMiguel: use the command 'file' |
| 00:27.24 | SuperMiguel | abrotman, filename:data |
| 00:27.32 | abrotman | then it just knows it as data |
| 00:27.58 | abrotman | $ file vTreeTest.swf |
| 00:27.58 | abrotman | vTreeTest.swf: Macromedia Flash data (compressed), version 7 |
| 00:28.01 | abrotman | for example |
| 00:28.08 | abrotman | will figure out what that is some day ... |
| 00:29.01 | SuperMiguel | are encrypted file data? |
| 00:29.38 | abrotman | do you know how to unencrypt the data? |
| 00:29.52 | billy_ | hi folks - how do i configure nautilus to sort file names in dictionary order? |
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| 00:30.14 | I_Died_Once | well, i'm sure this isnt how linux is supposed to work, but i did figure out A way to get toi those settings |
| 00:30.37 | I_Died_Once | i had to create a trash applet (with plasma) and the desktop then i right clicked it and it had the settings i was looking for |
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| 00:31.06 | SuperMiguel | abrotman, u any good at Steganography? |
| 00:31.40 | abrotman | SuperMiguel: you don't even know how to open the image |
| 00:31.58 | SuperMiguel | abrotman, is not that simple |
| 00:32.02 | abrotman | i'm sure there are programs in debian .. |
| 00:32.06 | acu | can anyone point me to the craigevil tutorial to install flash-player 32 in Debian Squeeze AMD64 ? |
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| 00:32.22 | abrotman | !tell acu about adobe flash |
| 00:32.32 | SuperMiguel | abrotman, im trying to find a picture hiden inside another picture |
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| 00:32.46 | abrotman | SuperMiguel: i know what it is ... "apt-cache search stegan" .. have fun |
| 00:33.00 | ZenWalker | acu: aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree ? |
| 00:33.31 | abrotman | ZenWalker: that does not work |
| 00:33.32 | streuner | ZenWalker: doenst help much |
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| 00:33.50 | ZenWalker | ok sorry |
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| 00:33.52 | streuner | there is no support for amd64 |
| 00:33.58 | streuner | hm |
| 00:34.10 | acu | ZenWalker: no problem |
| 00:34.19 | streuner | he is gone |
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| 00:34.33 | acu | :) |
| 00:34.52 | streuner | its a PITA |
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| 00:35.35 | moldovean | acu, http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
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| 00:42.13 | I_Died_Once | go to adobe.com and download the official flash packages? |
| 00:42.31 | I_Died_Once | http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer |
| 00:42.39 | abrotman | no ... stop that |
| 00:42.43 | abrotman | there is no such thing anymore .. |
| 00:43.01 | I_Died_Once | i disagree, i installed flash player the day before yesterday |
| 00:43.09 | I_Died_Once | from adobe |
| 00:43.16 | I_Died_Once | works well |
| 00:43.25 | abrotman | There is NO amd64 flash from adobe.com |
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| 00:49.23 | encrypt | how do i check how many packets my iptables rule is doing? |
| 00:49.35 | rjt | Is this an ok place to ask debian-live questions? |
| 00:49.37 | amphi | abrotman: there was an alpha some time back, I tried it briefly |
| 00:49.58 | abrotman | amphi: yes, it's been removed for security reasons (as in, it was worse than normal) |
| 00:50.04 | abrotman | rjt: you can try |
| 00:50.09 | amphi | ah ;) |
| 00:50.27 | amphi | I lead a happy flashless existence |
| 00:50.35 | rjt | encrypt, Fedora has iptstat |
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| 00:51.43 | rjt | "ip link set eth1 up dynamic on" throws  'either "dev" is duplicate or "dynamic" is garbage.' |
| 00:51.44 | uriahheep | hello |
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| 00:52.05 | uriahheep | does anyone know how to make apt fetch packages for arm from an x86 system? |
| 00:52.06 | rjt | ipconfig times out waiting for a dhcp config. |
| 00:52.33 | abrotman | ifconfig hyou mean ? |
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| 00:52.43 | abrotman | uriahheep: wget ? |
| 00:53.00 | abrotman | uriahheep: apt-get --print-uris .. put it in a file .. use wget |
| 00:53.00 | rjt | i noticed that on Fedora13, dhclient runs much much much more quickly after running "ip link set eth1 up dynamic on". |
| 00:53.06 | uriahheep | nice |
| 00:53.13 | uriahheep | abrotman: thanks a bunch :) |
| 00:53.31 | rjt | abrotman, it is actually ipconfig, however ifconfig and ip are available. |
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| 00:54.17 | rjt | The initscripts call ipconfig. |
| 00:54.30 | abrotman | rjt: which version of debian is this ? |
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| 00:55.10 | maix | what is a good place for a chroot dir? I mean where to put it, couldn't find something in fhs |
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| 00:57.58 | deStone | whats the best way to search a directory recusrively to find a list of files with a string i need to replace? I am wanting to see how many zone files have a bad ip address in them..... |
| 00:58.36 | abrotman | grep -R ? |
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| 00:59.35 | rjt | abrotman, i was afraid that would get asked. The bug reporting screen says it is BusyBox v1.15.3 (ubuntu1.15.3-1ubuntu4) but it also says to file a bug report with the 'live-boot' package and email debian-live@lists.debian.org. |
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| 01:00.34 | abrotman | rjt: you should probably ask #ubuntu .. i don't think debian has a usable binary 'ipconfig' |
| 01:00.35 | voipzapper | hey guys |
| 01:00.46 | abrotman | klibc-utils: /usr/lib/klibc/bin/ipconfig .. unless that is it ? |
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| 01:01.19 | rjt | abrotman, yep exactly - the dreaded klibc-utils. i even have the latest version. |
| 01:01.23 | cockroach | hey, err, with the new concurrent bootup process, is there some way to 'inject' commands w/o messing with the scripts? i.e., i'd like to run some custom command before the login manager starts... |
| 01:01.39 | acu | abrotman: thanks |
| 01:02.05 | acu | moldovean: thank you too - I was already on the way to install it - so I did not look until now at the chat |
| 01:02.42 | voipzapper | so, i installed xfce and it doesn't seem to have its browser immediately included. so, i went to the xfce projects page, and they mention Midori. tried using "apt install midori" but apt says "couldn't find... midori". what name should i use? |
| 01:02.47 | moldovean | acu, sa fii iubit |
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| 01:03.29 | cockroach | voipzapper: midori is only in squeeze, not in lenny |
| 01:03.37 | abrotman | voipzapper: iceweasel ? |
| 01:06.08 | voipzapper | uh... confused. midori is mentioned on the xfce page. should i specify some other params to apt? (iceweasel is way too big) |
| 01:06.51 | Burns | postfix E: Package libsasl2 has no installation candidate |
| 01:06.56 | voipzapper | some other params to tell apt to use the squeeze libs? (not sure if "library" is the right term) |
| 01:07.13 | rjt | So i can set an address manually with "ip address add 192.168.10.71/16 brd + dev eth0", but not dynamic times out. |
| 01:07.27 | cockroach | voipzapper: no, installing midori on stable is going to require quite a lot of work. you could try chrome or opera if your machine is too slow for firefox/iceweasel |
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| 01:08.32 | cockroach | voipzapper: or possibly epiphany, but i guess that would pull in large amounts of gnome dependencies... |
| 01:09.14 | moldovean | , depends epiphany-browser --release lenny |
| 01:09.15 | judd | epiphany-browser -- depends: epiphany-gecko. |
| 01:09.33 | moldovean | , depends epiphany-gecko --release lenny |
| 01:09.34 | judd | epiphany-gecko -- depends: epiphany-browser-data (>= 2.22.1.1-3), epiphany-browser-data (<< 2.23), libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.18), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.20.0), libavahi-client3 (>= 0.6.16), libavahi-common3 (>= 0.6.16), libavahi-gobject0 (>= 0.6.22), libbonobo2-0 (>= 2.15.0), libbonoboui2-0 (>= 2.15.1), libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.0.2), libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.71), libenchant1c2a |
| 01:09.36 | judd | (>= 1.4.2), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.4.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.3.5), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libgconf2-4 (>= 2.13.5), libglade2-0 (>= 1:2.6.1), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.16.0), libgnome-desktop-2 (>= 2.22.0), libgnome2-0 (>= 2.17.3), libgnomecanvas2-0 (>= 2.11.1), libgnomeui-0 (>= 2.17.1), libgnomevfs2-0 (>= 1:2.17.90), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libice6 (>= 1:1.0.0), libnotify1 (>= 0.4.4), libnotify1-gtk2.10, li |
| 01:09.56 | bintje | i always read about the "apt-setup" command but this doesn't work for me |
| 01:09.57 | SPF | unrar (non-free) does not support version 2. Is there anything else I could use, 7zip? |
| 01:09.58 | bintje | why is that? |
| 01:10.08 | SPF | s/2/3 |
| 01:11.19 | cockroach | btw, has anyone succeeded in installing xorg from experimental? it seems there are some dependency issues... |
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| 01:11.42 | BlackFate | SPF, apt-cache policy p7zip-full |
| 01:11.49 | Spines | When you use an SFTP server, what is the bit level of encryption? 256? |
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| 01:13.05 | SPF | BlackFate: If I use 7za e foo.rar, it says cannot open archive |
| 01:13.05 | moldovean | bintje, which package provide 'apt-setup' ? |
| 01:13.57 | bintje | i red that its instead of editing the sources.list |
| 01:14.00 | bintje | i could just enter apt-setup |
| 01:14.09 | abrotman | there is no apt-setup anymore |
| 01:14.15 | bintje | ah that was in older releases? |
| 01:14.21 | abrotman | yes, been gone for awhile |
| 01:14.32 | abrotman | it's a udeb for the installer, but not for normal use |
| 01:14.34 | bintje | ah ok... yep.. they dont put the version on their how-tos :) |
| 01:15.18 | moldovean | abrotman, thanks |
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| 01:16.48 | moldovean | bintje, running which release ? |
| 01:18.09 | bintje | 5.05 |
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| 01:22.58 | I_Died_Once | not sure if this is the appropriate place to take this question... using squeeze... i'm install from apt as well as compiled from source and i get the same error when coding a video with transcode/ffmpeg |
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| 01:23.40 | I_Died_Once | http://planetmofo.pastebin.com/3YYH6Kmk |
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| 01:24.44 | SPF | BlackFate: ah, I have to use 7z e foo.rar instead |
| 01:25.00 | SPF | hmm, why does 7zip have 2 programs 7z and 7za? |
| 01:25.32 | bint | what does "lenny" exactly mean? |
| 01:25.44 | bint | is it just the name of the verison? or is it something between testing and stable? |
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| 01:26.56 | stew | bint: its currently stable. squeeze is the codename of the current testing release. when the release managers feel that squeeze is ready to be released, lenny becomes "oldstable", squeeze becomes "stable" and a new codename is created for a new testing release |
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| 01:27.22 | bint | ahh |
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| 01:27.33 | bint | and will it be easy to upgrade from lenny to squeeze? |
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| 01:28.31 | jordanm | nutron: fglrx-source |
| 01:29.22 | SPF | !tell bint about lenny->squeeze |
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| 01:30.55 | bint | cool thx |
| 01:31.23 | bint | and how long is a stable release usually stable before its becoming oldstable? |
| 01:31.28 | bint | a year or so? |
| 01:31.39 | abrotman | !release history |
| 01:31.39 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14). The next release will be Squeeze. See also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html. |
| 01:31.45 | abrotman | draw your own conclusions |
| 01:32.21 | bint | yep thx :D |
| 01:32.32 | nsadmin | need crayons... |
| 01:32.44 | bint | are the founders of Debian rich? |
| 01:33.02 | dondelelcaro | bint: Debian is a non-profit all volunteer organization, so no. |
| 01:33.14 | bint | ok |
| 01:33.30 | stew | at least they aren't because of debian :) |
| 01:33.47 | nsadmin | unless they use it for generating profit |
| 01:34.29 | bint | strange.. i always tought that the founders of huge distros are morless rich |
| 01:34.40 | dondelelcaro | not really |
| 01:34.58 | nsadmin | bint, the VCs who bought redhat are probably rich |
| 01:35.07 | bint | :) |
| 01:35.09 | dondelelcaro | about the only person who is a founder of a large distribution who is, is Mark, and that's not why he is. Thawte is why he's rich. |
| 01:35.12 | nsadmin | but not due to redhat itself, but due to the market |
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| 01:36.44 | naildownx | hello |
| 01:36.57 | bint | so there comes another question.. i want to install glFTPD on my debian - its not in the sources lib... so i have to download it from the website and install it? or do i have to add another source to the sources.list and get it via aptitude install ? |
| 01:37.23 | nsadmin | you don't HAVE to do anything |
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| 01:37.47 | bint | so what should i do instead? |
| 01:38.23 | nsadmin | but there are plenty of ftpds in debian already... and ftp is a fairly broken protocol |
| 01:38.42 | bint | but i need it.. i kinda want to have back what i had on windows before |
| 01:38.51 | bint | with eggdrops and stuff.. i know glftpd can do all this |
| 01:38.57 | nsadmin | wihdows? what's that? |
| 01:39.24 | bint | married women with dead men ? |
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| 01:40.14 | nsadmin | so now, if you want to run software you were familiar with from windows, why move to debian? |
| 01:40.31 | nsadmin | or, why not run a windows box as a server |
| 01:40.37 | bint | because the windows server i was renting was shit and expensive |
| 01:40.39 | naildownx | is there a way I can make my debian server quit sending me emails about deprecated lines in PHP? |
| 01:40.57 | naildownx | I just did the basic install |
| 01:41.02 | nsadmin | ok, so since you're moving to debian, why not learn it? |
| 01:41.03 | bint | and i kinda want to get into linux anyway |
| 01:41.12 | bint | i'm tryin to learn it |
| 01:41.41 | bint | so you wouldn't recommend glFTPD because its not supported by the stable release? - i didn't really understand |
| 01:41.50 | nsadmin | so you're actually interested |
| 01:41.56 | bint | sure i am |
| 01:42.24 | bint | i'm just new on this and i've been a dumb windoof user for 13 years or so |
| 01:42.33 | nsadmin | you do have the choice; if I were you I'd just go ahead and try it |
| 01:42.54 | bint | you'd go ahead and try what? |
| 01:42.56 | nsadmin | but |
| 01:43.06 | nsadmin | try building this glftpd |
| 01:43.22 | bint | but you wouldn't :D? you'd try to implement an eggdrop into proftpd :)? |
| 01:43.29 | encrypt | my output from mii-tool shows some error: SIOCGMIIREG on eth0 failed: Input/output error - is this relevant? |
| 01:43.40 | nsadmin | also if I were you, I'd have a box at home that runs pretty much the same debian as on the remote |
| 01:44.16 | bint | i have that... i dont have a remote server at the moment |
| 01:44.32 | bint | i'm learning and when i think i'm ready i gonna rent it and install everything |
| 01:44.43 | nsadmin | then you can experiment at home, blow it all away, reinstall, put up the thing you were experimenting with, make sure it works, then move it to the remote |
| 01:45.04 | nsadmin | that's -approximately- what a pro would (have to) do |
| 01:45.05 | bint | kinda sounds like the past 3 days for me :D |
| 01:45.22 | bint | i installed it 4 times the past 3 days |
| 01:45.42 | nsadmin | at home, you can break break break stuff all you want on your machine... |
| 01:45.55 | nsadmin | then work out a way to really do it so it's easy |
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| 01:46.00 | bint | yep i figured this out.. it just kinda makes you tired after a whole day :D |
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| 01:46.29 | nsadmin | so there's this place, |
| 01:46.49 | nsadmin | it usually is a bit more exciting and unexpected... |
| 01:46.52 | nsadmin | it's called |
| 01:47.04 | nsadmin | outside |
| 01:47.16 | nsadmin | you should go there for at least 10 mins per hour |
| 01:47.47 | bint | thats hard :)... i kinda like to be outside for 4 hrs and inside for 4hrs |
| 01:47.49 | nsadmin | habit: breathing fully into your lungs |
| 01:48.00 | nsadmin | many people don't have this habit |
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| 01:48.36 | bint | so you go out every hour for 10mins? |
| 01:48.43 | nsadmin | you should take breaks pretty often when you got your face in the crt |
| 01:48.56 | bint | bet you're a chainsmoker :è |
| 01:48.57 | nsadmin | yeah, moreorless |
| 01:49.06 | nsadmin | is a chainloader |
| 01:49.09 | bint | :) |
| 01:49.28 | nsadmin | doesn't smoke anything |
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| 01:49.34 | bint | me neither |
| 01:49.45 | nsadmin | you write me to your MBR |
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| 01:50.02 | nsadmin | and I transfer control to your chainload area |
| 01:50.06 | bint | i stopped smokin dope weed'n shit |
| 01:50.16 | bint | 12 days ago :D |
| 01:50.36 | nsadmin | so you quit between pounds? |
| 01:51.03 | bint | between pounds? |
| 01:51.06 | bint | dont understand this |
| 01:51.25 | nsadmin | is a vegitarian, but my diet is punctuated by chicken sandawiches |
| 01:51.36 | bint | lol |
| 01:51.39 | bint | i love meat |
| 01:51.40 | bint | hmm |
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| 01:51.43 | abrotman | !ot |
| 01:51.43 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 01:51.54 | bint | yep abrotman |
| 01:51.57 | bint | you're right |
| 01:52.18 | nsadmin | bint: here's something to do |
| 01:52.26 | nsadmin | go to packages.debian.org |
| 01:52.35 | nsadmin | browse stable distribution |
| 01:52.45 | nsadmin | and look thru the stuff you can have |
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| 01:53.01 | bint | p thx |
| 01:53.05 | bint | thats a good start |
| 01:53.18 | nsadmin | there are lots and lots of ftpds |
| 01:53.24 | nsadmin | they might serve you |
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| 01:53.42 | nsadmin | btw, I think eggdrop is in debian |
| 01:53.48 | nsadmin | and I know tcl is |
| 01:53.53 | bint | ok |
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| 01:54.21 | nsadmin | you could have them both separately and see what that's like |
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| 02:02.50 | yardleydobon | Where can I get help with graphicsmagick on IRC? |
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| 02:05.16 | dondelelcaro | yardleydobon: if you're using it on Debian, you can try here, but presumably #imagemagick is the right place |
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| 02:05.28 | dondelelcaro | (there may not be an active channel, though) |
| 02:05.52 | dondelelcaro | yardleydobon: actually, try ##imagemagick |
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| 02:06.18 | bint | gn8 all and thx for your help today |
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| 02:06.30 | bint | you guys helpt me alot so far |
| 02:08.17 | yardleydobon | With graphicsmagick, is it possible to read an image with a bit depth greater than gm's quantum depth? |
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| 02:14.21 | dondelelcaro | yardleydobon: it should be possible, but it will be a lossy conversion |
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| 02:31.33 | encrypt | my output from mii-tool shows some error: SIOCGMIIREG on eth0 failed: Input/output error - is this relevant? |
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| 03:00.34 | FFForever | How can I get python 2.7? |
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| 03:12.18 | JairunCaloth | http://www.python.org/download/releases/2.7/ |
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| 03:17.59 | SuperMiguel | how can i decompress a ASCII file? |
| 03:19.01 | negers | how can i decompress a ASCII file? |
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| 03:36.11 | thepro4ever | i have a mysql process in /usr/bin/mysql with an owner and group of root, when i run mysql i get the following error http://codepad.org/fgYHm0R9 when logged in as thepro4ever but it works when i am logged in as root , any ideas? |
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| 03:38.23 | SuperMiguel | if i have a ASCII text file that is compressed, is there a way to find out what kind of compression it has? |
| 03:38.41 | dondelelcaro | SuperMiguel: file |
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| 03:38.57 | SuperMiguel | dondelelcaro, well file gives me ASCII text |
| 03:39.37 | dondelelcaro | SuperMiguel: file -e compress foofile |
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| 03:39.43 | dondelelcaro | SuperMiguel: man file; for details |
| 03:40.21 | SuperMiguel | dondelelcaro, still gives me ASCII text |
| 03:40.59 | dondelelcaro | SuperMiguel: then it probably is ascii text |
| 03:41.37 | SuperMiguel | is there a way to compress a ascii text file? or is there a way to have a picture compressed to make it look like an ascii text? |
| 03:41.56 | dondelelcaro | sure; tons of ways |
| 03:42.25 | dondelelcaro | you'd have to give an example of the file if you want us to look at it anyway |
| 03:42.44 | SuperMiguel | where can i upload it? |
| 03:42.51 | SuperMiguel | 96k ASCII text file |
| 03:43.23 | thepro4ever | i have a mysql process in /usr/bin/mysql with an owner and group of root, when i run mysql i get the following error http://codepad.org/fgYHm0R9 when logged in as thepro4ever but it works when i am logged in as root , any ideas? |
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| 03:44.12 | elik_unreg | SuperMiguel, any pastebin, google is your friend |
| 03:44.31 | elik_unreg | !tell SuperMiguel about pastebin |
| 03:44.52 | SuperMiguel | dondelelcaro, http://pastebin.com/AzXbVMXP |
| 03:45.39 | dondelelcaro | SuperMiguel: that looks like it's base64 encoded |
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| 03:48.30 | SuperMiguel | dondelelcaro, how about this one http://pastebin.com/EnFcJBLb |
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| 03:49.42 | debulante | hey guys |
| 03:50.19 | debulante | still having problems with my nfs |
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| 03:53.16 | debulante | http://paste.debian.net/85725 |
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| 03:54.35 | dondelelcaro | SuperMiguel: whatever that file is, it's been horribly munged |
| 03:54.54 | dondelelcaro | SuperMiguel: the header makes it look like some kind of document from windows, but I can't be sure what it was originally |
| 03:56.17 | debulante | dondelelcaro hi <3 |
| 03:57.06 | dondelelcaro | hey |
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| 04:03.03 | debulante | hugs everyone because she just got a job with apple |
| 04:03.29 | nomasteryoda | err, in this channel that could get you .. banned/kicked... hehe |
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| 04:03.37 | nomasteryoda | congrats on a job anyway debulante |
| 04:03.50 | nomasteryoda | beats living in a cardboard box under the bridge |
| 04:04.14 | debulante | hee hee i know im really here cuz i need help with my cluster |
| 04:04.21 | nomasteryoda | i think i'd take a job at apple rather than make my kids live in a cardboard box |
| 04:04.30 | nomasteryoda | ah, now we get the truth |
| 04:04.41 | debulante | well i said that earlier silly |
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| 04:07.11 | nomasteryoda | lol |
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| 04:17.15 | SuperMiguel | dondelelcaro, does this looks like anything? http://pastebin.com/QgRhhQy7 |
| 04:18.55 | dondelelcaro | SuperMiguel: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SQX |
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| 04:19.26 | deSt0ne | whats the best way to search a directory recusrively to find a list of files with a string i need to replace? I am wanting to see how many zone files have a bad ip address in them..... |
| 04:19.53 | dondelelcaro | debulante: find + xargs grep or grep -R |
| 04:20.00 | dondelelcaro | s/debulante/deSt0ne/ |
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| 04:21.23 | tharkun | the ssb factoid would also work to pull a package from lenny into squeeze ? |
| 04:22.31 | SuperMiguel | dondelelcaro, any idea on what tool to use to extract or decompress that? |
| 04:23.25 | debulante | dondelecaro: i have never successfully set up a cluster before. the nodes are asking for a login, so i try to login as nfsroot and it says the login failed, and on server side it says that nfsroot does not exist. |
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| 04:26.26 | dondelelcaro | tharkun: yes |
| 04:26.40 | dondelelcaro | tharkun: but you should in theory just be able to install a package from lenny directly in most cases |
| 04:26.55 | wooden | the systems department at work uses gdm to control our sessions. i'd like to run openbox, but it is not one of the options. if i compile openbox in my home dir, and exec it in my .xsession file, will that override whatever session type is selected in gdm? |
| 04:27.22 | dondelelcaro | wooden: if they're using Debian, and the session runs .xsession if it exists like it should, yes |
| 04:27.35 | tharkun | dondelelcaro: thx |
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| 04:28.15 | wooden | dondelelcaro: to be honest, they're running fedora core 12, but i'm hoping behavior will be similar. thanks for giving me hope. ;) |
| 04:28.38 | dondelelcaro | wooden: your best bet is to look at whatever they've got in /etc/gdm/*; and see what those shell scripts are doing |
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| 04:30.54 | wooden | dondelelcaro: thanks, i will check it out tomorrow. |
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| 04:31.41 | scp1 | Is there a way one could edit the install scripts for a specific package, like how ABS for arch works? |
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| 04:33.00 | dondelelcaro | scp1: what are you trying to do? |
| 04:33.22 | tuvwx | are there any squeeze iso images newer than feb,2010? (at least netinst) -- i can't find any |
| 04:33.32 | scp1 | dondelelcaro, Set compile flags and remove dependencies for example |
| 04:33.50 | scp1 | no compile flags for this though since it's binary |
| 04:34.03 | scp1 | but there are dependencies which I know I do NOT need |
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| 04:39.05 | Bushmills | easiest is probably to open downloaded .deb file in midnight commander, enter the DEBIAN directory and edit the file control. |
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| 04:42.20 | tuvwx | hmm.. there are newer full sets, but no new netinst |
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| 04:44.50 | rcbarnes | When I boot I get the grub menu, from which I can successfully start up by entering the appropriate kernel/initrd commands, but how do I get it to read my /boot/grub/menu.1st file? |
| 04:45.50 | rcbarnes | (I am using grub-legacy.) |
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| 04:46.05 | twb | I'm using w3m as my $PAGER. |
| 04:46.39 | twb | Can I get man and w3m to work together to use HTML instead of catpage format, when reading manpages? |
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| 04:48.13 | Bushmills | there's a man2html command. |
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| 04:49.44 | twb | I realize I can do it by issuing a different command |
| 04:50.02 | Bushmills | used by dhelp, rendering output which looks like this: http://doc.verhau.de/cgi-bin/dwww/usr/share/man/man1/man2html.1.gz?type=man |
| 04:50.11 | twb | I want to know if it can be automated so that "man foo" will use text/html for the interchange |
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| 04:51.03 | twb | The closest I can see is: man -Thtml man | w3m -T text/html |
| 04:51.14 | twb | (Since with -T, man won't launch the pager on its own.) |
| 04:51.42 | twb | The output's pretty fugly anyway, so I guess I won't bother. |
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| 04:52.22 | twb | I was really only interested in it for the SIGWINCH support |
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| 04:53.08 | kmonk | hi everyone |
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| 04:55.43 | kmonk | what's the best method for capturing video from tv capture card to create digital formats, i wish for a high quality format that can be interpolated, or a transcoder method that can make interpolated, good size/quality ratio digital format outputs. |
| 04:57.44 | kmonk | currently using "transcode" but the ffmpeg module is obsoleted, if i could output straight from tvtime that would be great because it has dscanline image enhancement built in. |
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| 05:01.31 | JairunCaloth | what's a guy gotta do to get a recent version of wine around here? |
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| 05:02.21 | tharkun | !tell JairunCaloth about ssb |
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| 05:02.50 | voipzapper | hey guys |
| 05:03.05 | JairunCaloth | just discovered the wine-unstable package |
| 05:03.47 | JairunCaloth | wait... that version is ancient too |
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| 05:05.02 | SuperMiguel | dondelelcaro, how about this one http://pastebin.com/f66qZLDZ |
| 05:05.08 | kmonk | hi JairunCaloth |
| 05:05.15 | voipzapper | i asked earlier about midori with xfce and was told it is in squeeze not lenny. some other suggestions were iceweasel, chrome, and epiphany. problem: looking for the smallest (disk space) browser possible. also was told midori would be hard to bring into lenny. suggestions? need REAL small disk footprint |
| 05:05.37 | dondelelcaro | SuperMiguel: what in the world is this for? |
| 05:05.44 | dondelelcaro | isn't some kind of file oracle |
| 05:06.15 | SuperMiguel | dondelelcaro, some crazy thing im testing |
| 05:06.31 | tharkun | voipzapper: if cli is fine use w3m, else i am lost on what you actually need |
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| 05:07.24 | tharkun | dondelelcaro: thx package is working like a charm. Although I will eventually need to replace it |
| 05:07.47 | voipzapper | tharkun: well, need to be running pidgin in xfce and a browser at the same time all the time. as far as "need", just any browser that is small on disk space |
| 05:07.59 | SuperMiguel | dondelelcaro, any idea what knd of compression it has? |
| 05:08.05 | kmonk | JairunCaloth: you can add the official wine repository to dpkg and install from apt, http://www.winehq.org/download/deblenny or you can checkout from git: http://wiki.winehq.org/GitWine, compile and build deb with checkinstall to install the very latest version manually. |
| 05:08.18 | SuperMiguel | dondelelcaro, or encryption |
| 05:08.27 | dondelelcaro | SuperMiguel: it's not compressed |
| 05:08.36 | tharkun | voipzapper: try w3m it might solve your problem |
| 05:08.43 | JairunCaloth | kmonk: not running lenny, and also the version in the repo listed is also hopelessly out of date |
| 05:08.52 | SuperMiguel | dondelelcaro, encrypted? |
| 05:09.04 | dondelelcaro | SuperMiguel: probably not that either |
| 05:09.12 | JairunCaloth | wine-1.1.42 |
| 05:09.16 | dondelelcaro | SuperMiguel: look at the first four bytes of the file, and search google |
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| 05:10.05 | kmonk | hmm, well- if the verry latest version is needed for some reason, i would get the sourcecode, tweak the MakeFile flags for best preformance and build it manually. |
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| 05:10.25 | JairunCaloth | building wine for amd64 makes me cry... |
| 05:10.59 | dondelelcaro | SuperMiguel: 0xED80F180; search google for that, probably. Could be any kind of binary format, but it's not one that I recognize |
| 05:11.38 | kmonk | JairunCaloth: if you actually read the info from winehq it details the different versions for lenny, squeeze and sid |
| 05:11.50 | kmonk | different methods* |
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| 05:12.51 | voipzapper | tharkun: look like w3m will only take another 2m or so. interesting. |
| 05:13.02 | JairunCaloth | facepalms |
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| 05:13.09 | JairunCaloth | nevermind I'll just build it from source. |
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| 05:15.28 | SuperMiguel | dondelelcaro, no go on google |
| 05:15.35 | SuperMiguel | dondelelcaro, :( |
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| 05:20.22 | SuperMiguel | dondelelcaro, there is another file that should help me with this: http://pastebin.com/cHrrYwnp |
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| 05:24.45 | SuperMiguel | dondelelcaro, u still around? |
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| 05:29.46 | twb | voipzapper: hmm? |
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| 05:30.06 | twb | voipzapper: oh, never mind |
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| 05:30.17 | jelly-home | SuperMiguel: that other file looks like a normal ELF binary |
| 05:30.39 | jelly-home | SuperMiguel: the file command and ldd might know more about it |
| 05:31.12 | SuperMiguel | jelly-home, can i use that file to de get a file from inside another one? |
| 05:31.15 | twb | w3m is Priority: standard, so unless you did an expert install, it should already have been installed... |
| 05:31.34 | SuperMiguel | jelly-home, file says http://pastebin.com/givzs57z |
| 05:31.42 | SuperMiguel | wrong link :S |
| 05:31.48 | jelly-home | SuperMiguel: if it's an executable, who knows what it does |
| 05:32.00 | voipzapper | twb: did you have a suggestion for a browser? just needs to be small on disk space. thx. |
| 05:32.03 | SuperMiguel | http://pastebin.com/giVzs57Z |
| 05:32.14 | twb | voipzapper: what is the browser actually needed for? |
| 05:32.25 | SuperMiguel | jelly-home, it is an execurable |
| 05:32.36 | SuperMiguel | jelly-home, executable* |
| 05:33.01 | kmonk | voidzapper: chimera2 :D |
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| 05:33.32 | voipzapper | twb: well, uh... browsing. not sure of the question. perhaps "general" might be the right answer. installing a very small, limited box as essentially a pidgin terminal and need to have a browser on it as well. |
| 05:33.43 | SuperMiguel | jelly-home, in the midle of the file it says ./happyfish.jpgw./decryptme im looking for that happyfish file |
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| 05:34.18 | jelly-home | SuperMiguel: get a virtual machine, try running it |
| 05:34.29 | SuperMiguel | i did it just says segmentation fault |
| 05:34.31 | jelly-home | SuperMiguel: where did you get this file? |
| 05:35.02 | SuperMiguel | jelly-home, long story, i got from the hex of a encrypted picture |
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| 05:35.22 | jelly-home | SuperMiguel: is this a homework assignment? |
| 05:36.00 | SuperMiguel | jelly-home, nah, im just part of a security club, and we post weekly challenges and im working on this one. but cant figure out the last part |
| 05:36.45 | SuperMiguel | jelly-home, to run a elf binary, just just chmod +x filename and then ./filename ? |
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| 05:37.17 | jelly-home | SuperMiguel: ELF format is basically a container for different segments, see if you can isolate the segment(s) containing your decryptme and happyfish |
| 05:37.45 | SuperMiguel | well i have the decryptme file.. dont have the happyfish one |
| 05:37.46 | jelly-home | SuperMiguel: objdump might be your friend |
| 05:39.15 | voipzapper | kmonk: sorry. missed your response. chimera2 huh? will go look at that. |
| 05:39.28 | SuperMiguel | i tried objdump -d, still reading it but cant find much |
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| 05:41.39 | SuperMiguel | jelly-home, an elf file could be just a c program right? |
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| 05:42.15 | jelly-home | an elf file is typically a compiled object |
| 05:42.36 | SuperMiguel | and how could it be hidding a file? |
| 05:42.46 | jelly-home | SuperMiguel: is /bin/ls a C program? |
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| 05:43.22 | SuperMiguel | part of one, writen in C |
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| 05:45.09 | SuperMiguel | jelly-home, i know if i run ./Encrypter decryptme it deletes the content of the decrypt me file |
| 05:45.51 | jelly-home | SuperMiguel: you might have to *horror* disassemble and read the code |
| 05:46.10 | SuperMiguel | is there an easy way to do so? |
| 05:46.41 | jelly-home | SuperMiguel: I already mentioned objdump. |
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| 05:47.02 | jelly-home | you're supposed to investigate further. |
| 05:47.33 | SuperMiguel | i been looking at that objdump -d for few minutes and cant figure much of it' |
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| 05:51.22 | jelly-home | sounds like you might need to learn at least some i386 assembly language |
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| 05:51.37 | SuperMiguel | :( |
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| 05:51.45 | jelly-home | this is a bti outside ths scope of this channel |
| 05:52.01 | SuperMiguel | well ill be riht back, if you find something please pm to me... Thanks |
| 05:52.20 | voipzapper | well, w3m will definitely "work"... but... trying chimera2 now as well. |
| 05:54.47 | voipzapper | also, couple of other small questions. is there a way to have xfce come up and autologin to a certain user account w/o doing a login? need to have the machine come up that way from any powerfail or the like |
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| 05:55.10 | voipzapper | also, want to have pidgin auto load in that config as well. |
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| 05:57.23 | voipzapper | wow. chimera2 looks like it will only add ~300k (?!?!). that sure is in the right range. installing it now. |
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| 06:01.06 | paranoidphreak | hi everybody, i'm running 'ettercap' to sniff data on my network for monitoring my son's online behaviour; i'm also running some tools from 'dsniff' suite. the problem i'm having is this: the machine i'm running these apps is significantly slowing down the webpages loading speed on the same OS but i also am running xp inside virtualbox on the same machine and when i access the web using firefox within the vm, the speed is normal. can anyone help m |
| 06:01.07 | paranoidphreak | e please? |
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| 06:05.35 | voipzapper | paranoidphreak: wish i could help you there. not really sure. one thing though... |
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| 06:05.54 | voipzapper | when you say 'ettercap', do you mean 'ethercap'? |
| 06:06.09 | voipzapper | do you know of wireshark? |
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| 06:07.43 | paranoidphreak | voipzapper: no....i mean ettercap, that's the name of the program |
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| 06:08.43 | Demosthenes | i just upgraded from lenny to squeeze. it was relatively painless, just issues with fglrx dropping my card & the udev/kernel issues |
| 06:09.06 | Demosthenes | but i'm finally in X windows, and i dont' get why all my GTK apps (firefox, pidgin, amarok, etc) are all "washed out" |
| 06:09.17 | Demosthenes | too white, the text is literally washed out |
| 06:09.33 | Demosthenes | its like the GTK gamma is set wrong, but i checked xrandr and the screen has nothing unusual |
| 06:09.50 | paranoidphreak | voipzapper: i heard of wireshark but i'm not good with it |
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| 06:10.50 | jelly-home | Demosthenes: amarok is a Qt4/KDE app. |
| 06:11.06 | Demosthenes | yeah, but doesn't everyone use gtk for rendering nowadays? |
| 06:11.16 | Demosthenes | urxvt and emacs have no issues.... |
| 06:11.23 | paranoidphreak | voipzapper: i just did some googling and i was able to use ettercap without a hitch |
| 06:12.34 | voipzapper | paranoidphreak: well, i don't know ettercap, but i do know wireshark and i think it will actually do everything you want and might be faster. i am really not sure about the above issues you mention, but you might give wireshark a try. you can set into various collection modes as i recall. |
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| 06:12.45 | jelly-home | Demosthenes: well, that one doesn't use gtk, so it might not be just a gtk issue |
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| 06:13.08 | twb | voipzapper: grep-aptavail -sPackage,Installed-Size -FProvides www-browser |
| 06:13.20 | twb | voipzapper: that'll tell you the install size of all available browsers |
| 06:13.26 | jelly-home | Demosthenes: could be an antialiasing / subpixel rendering issue |
| 06:13.28 | Demosthenes | jelly-home: i'd suggest it may be text rendering related, images in firefox don't seem washed out |
| 06:13.39 | Demosthenes | yep! |
| 06:14.01 | jelly-home | you'll have to find where to set antialiasing options in your DE of choice |
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| 06:14.20 | Demosthenes | erm... i'm running xmonad, so there's no control center or anything, just xorg.conf ;] |
| 06:14.21 | voipzapper | twb: oh. interesting. i was actually just looking at iceweasel again, and i think it will actually fit just fine. only ~25m. thought it would be much bigger with dependancies and such |
| 06:14.35 | jelly-home | Demosthenes: ~/.fonts.conf or the global one, then |
| 06:14.36 | twb | jelly-home: it *ought* to be .fonts.conf, but stupid old gnome hijacks it :-/ |
| 06:14.43 | DannyButterman | Hi there |
| 06:14.45 | paranoidphreak | voipzapper: oh ok, thanks, i'll give it a try but for now, i'll stick with ettercap because i'm currently monitoring |
| 06:14.47 | twb | voipzapper: well, that's not including dependencies |
| 06:15.07 | twb | voipzapper: and firefox (which is basically a theme) depends on xulrunner (the browser) |
| 06:15.14 | pallgone | paranoidphreak: hmm, funny, I experience some similar slowdowns on this machine with squeeze, for example when apt is downloading updates, the rest pretty much blocked, which is not happening on other machines |
| 06:17.02 | peterrooney | i wonder, would it be possible to put an ionice wrapper around apt{itude,-get} for such resource hungry moments? |
| 06:17.05 | paranoidphreak | pallgone: oh....maybe it needs some more debugging.....i guess that's why it's still in beta mode |
| 06:17.20 | paranoidphreak | pallgone: i'm running squeeze |
| 06:18.09 | pallgone | paranoidphreak: but it could be an issue here with my network card, the internal one is broken so I had to plug in a pci card and that one is really old, more than 10 years I guess |
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| 06:19.42 | paranoidphreak | pallgone: oh......i have no problem with the speed within vm on the same machine that i'm running these commands |
| 06:19.58 | voipzapper | twb: iceweasel installed just fine and with everything was still ~25m |
| 06:20.00 | pallgone | paranoidphreak: aha, hmm, maybe it's an issue with ipv6 |
| 06:20.21 | pallgone | paranoidphreak: are you using ipv4? |
| 06:20.36 | twb | voipzapper: if you say so |
| 06:20.41 | paranoidphreak | pallgone: i'm using ipv4 |
| 06:20.53 | voipzapper | what would be the preferred flash player for lenny? iceweasel is suggesting the one from adobe, but would rather use an open source and NOT an adobe |
| 06:20.58 | pallgone | paranoidphreak: try turning off ipv6 completely... hmm |
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| 06:21.01 | pallgone | !ipv6 |
| 06:21.01 | dpkg | Internet Protocol version 6 (IPv6) is the next-generation IP version designed to replace IPv4. Available in Debian since <potato>, full IPv6 support is a release goal for Squeeze. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6 http://ipv6.debian.net/ http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO/ http://www.ipv6.org/ #debian-ipv6 on irc.oftc.net, #ipv6 on irc.freenode.net. To disable IPv6 on your system, ask me about <noipv6>. |
| 06:21.15 | pallgone | !noipv6 |
| 06:21.15 | dpkg | [noipv6] To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny: echo install ipv6 /bin/true >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for this change to take effect). From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader. |
| 06:21.31 | DannyButterman | How can I ease the spam filter on amavis ? I suddenly got numerous sender email addresses that were flagged as spam though they use to pass whitout problem before |
| 06:21.40 | Zharf | voipzapper, the one from adobe if you want it to work even a bit |
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| 06:22.19 | jelly-home | DannyButterman: there's a #amavis channel |
| 06:22.33 | DannyButterman | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:22.38 | voipzapper | Zharf: thx. do you know which one from adobe? there are several suggestions and none of them refer to debian. there is an advanced looking Ubuntu one... |
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| 06:23.27 | jelly-home | voipzapper: /msg dpkg adboe flash |
| 06:23.51 | jelly-home | without the obvious typo |
| 06:24.00 | Zharf | !tell voipzapper -about adobe flash |
| 06:24.03 | Zharf | :< |
| 06:24.21 | paranoidphreak | pallgone: one more thing.....on the host that i'm running ettercap, the downloading speed is normal; the only thing i noticed are that the webpages load very slow on the host |
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| 06:25.05 | mhall | Hello all. I am running into a hell of a time with socat at the moment. I can't get it to send each line of a file in a separate datagram. Any advice on how to achieve that? |
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| 06:27.09 | DannyButterman | jelly-home:there is nobody in the amavis channel, but plenty of people here that might understand my antispam problem |
| 06:27.16 | Zharf | iceweasel also fucks up most buttons in flash applications, with opera they work just fine... I can't figure it out |
| 06:28.56 | jelly-home | DannyButterman: well, in any case, be patient |
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| 06:30.46 | paranoidphreak | pallgone: i can't turn off ipv6 right now because i have to restart my system in order for it to take effect; i'm currently monitoring |
| 06:31.24 | pallgone | paranoidphreak: yes, you can also try to disable ipv6 in iceweasel to see if makes a difference |
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| 06:33.14 | voipzapper | jelly-home, Zharf: found debian-multimedia.org, but don't see anything related to flash there. am i just blind/an idiot? |
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| 06:35.40 | tehrabbitt | hey guys had a quick question about lighttpd if anyone here knows anything about it |
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| 06:35.56 | paranoidphreak | pallgone: i have no idea how to do that within iceweasel |
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| 06:38.34 | pallgone | paranoidphreak: http://thedaneshproject.com/posts/disable-ipv6-in-firefox-3/ |
| 06:39.21 | paranoidphreak | pallgone: thanks |
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| 06:44.16 | paranoidphreak | pallgone: thanks alot.......i think it did the trick |
| 06:45.00 | pallgone | paranoidphreak: very well, you're welcome |
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| 06:55.53 | voipzapper | i'm sorry. i'm getting no where with this. could someone please describe how to install some version of flash player on lenny? adobe suggests quite a few for "linux", but not of them seem to have anything to do with debian. they do suggest a tar.gz |
| 06:56.47 | twb | !flashplugin-nonfree |
| 06:56.47 | dpkg | Adobe Flash Player is <non-free>. The easiest way to install it is with the flashplayer-mozilla package from <debian-multimedia.org>; there is also a flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package for testing users, or from backports.org. Ask me about <dmm> <bpo> <non-free>. WARNING: installing flashplugin-nonfree will NOT automatically keep the plugin updated. http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
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| 06:57.08 | twb | !gnash |
| 06:57.08 | dpkg | Gnash is the GNU <Flash> movie player, developed from GPLFlash and part of the GNU project. The project aims to create a free software player and browser plugin. The browser plugins are packaged for Debian as mozilla-plugin-gnash and konqueror-plugin-gnash. http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ #gnash on irc.freenode.net. |
| 06:57.25 | pallgone | voipzapper: x86 or x64? |
| 06:57.49 | voipzapper | pallgone: uh... i386 |
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| 06:57.57 | jonkri | how do i tell syslog to listen to an additional device file besides /dev/log? i read http://www.faqs.org/docs/securing/chap21sec168.html but there are syslog-related files in all rc.* directories and i don't see how i should modify them |
| 06:58.05 | twb | Of course, as long as webkit sets User-Agent to spoof as Safari, you can just use HTML5's built-in video shite for youtube, which IME is usually what people ACTUALLY want when they say they need flash |
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| 06:59.33 | voipzapper | twb: well, i would prefer not to use any flash products at all, but iceweasel is telling me i need it and i'm sure i'll run into some other spots that will need it as well. |
| 07:00.12 | twb | Maybe just don't go to those sites |
| 07:01.05 | voipzapper | twb: actually must use one particular site in question. gnash looks very insteresting |
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| 07:04.55 | voipzapper | twb: heh. mozilla-plugin-gnash needs 53 updates and will use an additional ~63m. twice as big as iw. but still small enough. trying now. |
| 07:05.57 | voipzapper | that probably has a bunch to do with xfce as much as gnash |
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| 07:09.19 | pallgone | voipzapper: gnash is often not working, it seems that they really want adobe flash x.xx and nothing else, we can only hope that HTML5 and webm catch on... |
| 07:09.27 | leonord | "drm_fill_in_dev *ERROR* Cannot initialize the agpgart module". I have this problem during boot-up since i first upgraded to Squeeze n it has not gone away after several upgrades. Web search indicates its a kernel problem. Is there a solution for this now? |
| 07:10.17 | twb | pallgone: personally I find it *really* annoying that I can no longer install midori or opera without bloody gstreamer being installed :-/ |
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| 07:11.14 | twb | (As a hard dependency, what's more) |
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| 07:16.29 | voipzapper | well. that is very interesting. so, in particular, this time, i needed to load flash/gnash to be able to run a speedtest from my isp. i can run this speedtest in any other os (win, mac), but now that i have gnash/iw installed, when i go to that page, i get a message saying that "the license for this speedtest is missing. please contact the webmaster of this site and let them know." |
| 07:16.44 | jonkri | i'm supposed to modify /etc/rc.d/rc.syslog appanding some things to the daemon syslogd line, but debian has like six or seven such files. how can i change the arguments given to syslogd? |
| 07:18.13 | voipzapper | needed to run the speedtest for my isp so they can be convinced that the throughput (bad) that i am getting is there fault (i actually know WHERE the throughput problem is; on one of their particular servers...grr... but braindamaged tech must go through xyz process even when i tell them exactly where the problem is via traceroute) |
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| 07:18.34 | jelly-home | jonkri: which debian release are you using? |
| 07:18.52 | jonkri | jelly: 5.0 |
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| 07:19.17 | jelly-home | jonkri: was it an initial install of 5.0 or an upgrade? initial install will have rsyslog |
| 07:19.56 | jonkri | jelly: ah, it has rsyslog.conf... thanks! |
| 07:19.59 | jelly-home | jonkri: /etc/default/rsyslog in that case |
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| 07:20.52 | jonkri | jelly: where is arguments specified? |
| 07:21.14 | jelly-home | jonkri: what are you actually trying to make it do? |
| 07:21.29 | jonkri | jelly: change daemon syslogd -m 0 to daemon syslogd -m 0 -a /chroot/httpd/dev/log |
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| 07:21.53 | jelly-home | jonkri: so, you want a second local socket. |
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| 07:22.10 | jonkri | yes |
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| 07:23.05 | jelly-home | jonkri: you can add a file in /etc/rsyslog.d/ containing a line like $AddUnixListenSocket /path/to/socket |
| 07:23.26 | sebhaase | irc.freenode.net |
| 07:23.58 | streuner__ | sebhaase: you are already in freenode... |
| 07:24.04 | sebhaase | sorry. |
| 07:24.10 | sebhaase | wrong copy paste... |
| 07:24.30 | jonkri | cool! :D |
| 07:24.34 | jonkri | jelly-home: thank you so much |
| 07:24.38 | jelly-home | jonkri: that way you don't have to change the config file. http://www.rsyslog.com/doc for more info |
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| 07:26.41 | jonkri | vsftpd fails to authenticate me through pam. there is no information in /var/log/syslog, /var/vsftpd.conf. where else could i look? |
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| 07:27.13 | jelly-home | auth.log perhaps. WTF is /var/vsftpd.conf ? |
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| 07:27.42 | jelly-home | is there no separate log for that service? |
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| 07:27.50 | jonkri | haha |
| 07:27.57 | jonkri | /var/log/vsftpd.log :D |
| 07:27.57 | Shadur | hopes jonkri typoed and meant /var/log/vsftpd.log |
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| 07:28.36 | jonkri | the vsftpd log just says "FAIL LOGIN: Client "81.226.91.192"" |
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| 07:35.31 | ali3n0 | hi guys. I've noticed I'm getting this warning every ssh login but I can't find much info about: sshd[25755]: WARNING: /etc/ssh/moduli does not exist, using fixed modulus. Lenny, sshd v 1:5.1p1-5 |
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| 07:38.16 | q_a_z_steve | is there a release schedule for squeeze? |
| 07:39.15 | SPF | ali3n0: you can try reinstalling your ssh, I'm also running lenny and that file does exist on my system |
| 07:40.14 | jelly-home | ali3n0: the missing file is part of openssh-client package |
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| 07:40.45 | ali3n0 | mmm, ok tnx I'll try to find out why on earth it is disapparead |
| 07:41.09 | jelly-home | ali3n0: you might not have openssh-client installed at all on that machine |
| 07:41.46 | jelly-home | arguably openssh-server shouldn't rely on it (and it doesn't, but that complaining message is annoying) |
| 07:41.47 | ali3n0 | it's there: dpkg -l|grep openssh-client |
| 07:41.48 | ali3n0 | ii openssh-client 1:5.1p1-5 |
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| 07:42.10 | jelly-home | reinstall that one, see what happens |
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| 07:47.52 | ali3n0 | jelly-home, I'm a bit concerned about reinstalling ssh because I've no physical access to that box :-/ |
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| 07:51.40 | twb | ali3n0: /var/lib/dpkg/info/openssh-client.conffiles:/etc/ssh/moduli |
| 07:51.58 | twb | ali3n0: that file is a conffile of openssh-client; something has deleted it after openssh-client was installed. |
| 07:52.20 | twb | moduli(5) indicates you can generate new ones with ssh-keygen |
| 07:53.12 | twb | You could also try to dpkg-reconfigure openssh-client or -server; depending on their postinsts, it might generate it again |
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| 08:09.14 | jelly-home | ali3n0: you won't be reinstalling the server component |
| 08:09.26 | jelly-home | !tell ali3n0 about confmiss |
| 08:09.44 | jelly-home | ali3n0: use that procedure to reinstall openssh-client |
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| 08:20.28 | ReadPlease | If I want to install debian minimal, should I install Debian or Ubuntu? |
| 08:21.26 | PsychiC_ | Now read your question again.... |
| 08:22.10 | OpenTokix | ReadPlease: Ubuntu is not debian. - So if you want debian minimal, install debian |
| 08:22.14 | ReadPlease | Damn-- |
| 08:22.21 | ReadPlease | Okay, where do I get it? |
| 08:22.28 | OpenTokix | ReadPlease: Get what? A clue? |
| 08:22.33 | ReadPlease | Because I'm getting this whole 'search for ubuntu minimal' if you want 'debian minimal'. |
| 08:22.37 | ReadPlease | At ##linux |
| 08:22.40 | OpenTokix | ReadPlease: aha |
| 08:22.43 | ReadPlease | And it's like, 'wtf are you talking about??!?!' |
| 08:22.45 | ReadPlease | Right? |
| 08:22.46 | PsychiC_ | www.debian.org ? :) |
| 08:22.51 | ReadPlease | I'm looking at this: http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 08:22.58 | ReadPlease | i386 for my p4 okay? |
| 08:23.03 | ReadPlease | Businesscard? |
| 08:23.03 | OpenTokix | ReadPlease: Install debian netinst and select none of the default in tasksel |
| 08:23.07 | OpenTokix | ReadPlease: correct |
| 08:24.00 | ReadPlease | May I ask: 'why do they call it netinst?' |
| 08:24.08 | twb | Technically netinst images aren't the smallest |
| 08:24.22 | PsychiC_ | because the most items will be installed using the online repositories , thus the net |
| 08:24.45 | ReadPlease | am I going to have to mess with ports and crap if I want to get my xdsl to connect? |
| 08:25.03 | twb | http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso |
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| 08:25.05 | ReadPlease | like how I used to install sound cards on modems in dos? |
| 08:25.16 | twb | 9.2 MiB vs. netinst's ~130MiB |
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| 08:25.20 | PsychiC_ | mmmm if you got a proper networksetup (router/nat etc) and a common network card it should work |
| 08:25.43 | PsychiC_ | You will need to get packages in order to actually RUN debian |
| 08:25.49 | ReadPlease | Is this thing going to come with a mouse? Not that I REALLY care.... |
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| 08:26.09 | twb | ReadPlease: support for pointing devices is optional; you can install it if you want it |
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| 08:26.25 | ReadPlease | Ah! They make me decide everything, don't they? |
| 08:26.37 | ReadPlease | I thought I had to build it in. :( Takes all the fun away. |
| 08:26.41 | twb | ReadPlease: well, Debin gives you *choice* |
| 08:27.01 | themill | twb: of what relevance is that to the actual installation? |
| 08:27.02 | ReadPlease | I don't want choices. :p Oh well. That's life. |
| 08:27.13 | twb | themill: hmm? |
| 08:27.34 | ReadPlease | You can hide behind me if you want, twb |
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| 08:28.03 | twb | ReadPlease: eh, usually I just ignore themill when he gets noisy |
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| 08:28.43 | ReadPlease | One more: I got Ubuntu deskcrap edition installed. Is the deb installer going to remove it? |
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| 08:29.26 | twb | ReadPlease: when partitioning the disk, you'll be asked whether you want to keep what's already on there |
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| 08:30.18 | twb | !tell ReadPlease -about installation guide |
| 08:30.51 | ReadPlease | Oh no! So, instead of having my hand held... I gotta read a manual? |
| 08:31.01 | llimeht | twb: (s2disk induced lag) you're talking bollox about mini.iso vs netinst. They produce exactly the same final installation and if you want to start throwing insults around. your "noise" about mini.iso was at best going to confuse ReadPlease. Were you really going to spend the time telling him how to do a netboot? |
| 08:31.25 | ReadPlease | I think you're right lime. The files 'mini' and 'mini(1)' are the exact same size...? |
| 08:31.29 | ReadPlease | It's possible that they're the same image. |
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| 08:32.10 | crekarasu | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:32.26 | twb | ReadPlease: well, everybody here is providing support for free. |
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| 08:32.43 | twb | ReadPlease: if you demonstrate a willingness to help yourself (by reading manuals and suchlike), we'll be more interested in helping you |
| 08:32.54 | zxd | anyone good with grammar, when does one use ";" in a sentence |
| 08:32.57 | ReadPlease | Alright alright. I'll read a few chapters. |
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| 08:33.35 | ReadPlease | bzxd, it needs to be connecting two 'complete/independent' sentences/clauses... |
| 08:33.51 | twb | !tell ReadPlease -about smart questions |
| 08:34.13 | ReadPlease | er. nvm, I guess. Go to #english |
| 08:34.16 | twb | ReadPlease: that page basically documents how to get help from busy volunteers :-) |
| 08:35.02 | twb | zxd: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semicolon |
| 08:35.33 | twb | crekarasu: there isn't really a turn-key way to mitigate DDOS attacks |
| 08:35.48 | ReadPlease | But anyway, the sentences should be separated by subordinating conjunctions.... They can also be used in lists where list items contain commas. For example: Sacramento, CA; Jacksonville, CA; Sparks, NV; ... |
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| 08:36.06 | crekarasu | twb a firewall or something? |
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| 08:36.45 | twb | crekarasu: you probably want to look into dynamic firewall techniques (a la denyhosts), QoS, and maybe restricting how long any individual PHP/SQL request can take (or whatever). |
| 08:37.32 | ReadPlease | Man, everything I do these days requires 9 chapters of reading. Last night, I spent 4 hours installing SVN. Today, 4 hours + the install time to install debian. :p |
| 08:37.37 | twb | crekarasu: oh, and obviously understanding the nature of the attack should be your zeroth operation :-) |
| 08:37.42 | ReadPlease | Is this what tech life is like? |
| 08:38.00 | twb | ReadPlease: you can try just installing it; then if you run into trouble check the manual -- if that doesn't make it clear, you can ask us |
| 08:38.03 | crekarasu | So there is a firewall with DDoS protection? you can help me or not? twb ? |
| 08:38.13 | twb | crekarasu: GNU/Linux only has one firewall: netfilter |
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| 08:38.58 | crekarasu | twb how do I install or where they find? |
| 08:39.17 | twb | crekarasu: unless you want to learn how to drive netfilter directly, you probably want to pick a wrapper around netfilter (e.g. shorewall) and use that. |
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| 08:39.41 | ReadPlease | 3X437 ||\|574|_|_ !!!! lol |
| 08:39.57 | twb | crekarasu: I can't advise you about that, because I *do* drive netfilter directly. For information on that, try #netfilter on Freenode. |
| 08:40.22 | crekarasu | twb tank you ! |
| 08:40.23 | ReadPlease | Play this b-a$ Debian installation game on down-hill, nightmare-difficulty, hard mode. |
| 08:40.29 | debulante | ReadPlease: tech life is more like you get a free macbook pro from apple, you become developers with world-known things like firefox and pandora, you save up enough money to get a 5-screen workstation powered by 2 12core opterons and you get to work from home with paid vacation time, usually |
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| 08:40.58 | twb | debulante: ha! |
| 08:41.13 | twb | debulante: like that ridiculous monitor array in _Swordfish_ |
| 08:41.22 | ReadPlease | debulante, where do I get a job doing that? I just got screwed out of 2100 dollars in salary over the past two months, and my job. |
| 08:42.07 | ReadPlease | Being a teacher is SO cool. Last year, my contract was underpaid by a little more than 10k, leaving me with a whopping 7k yearly salary. :D |
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| 08:42.31 | twb | ReadPlease: well, Debian isn't the most newbie-friendly distro. If you want to get started with Ubuntu or something first, then come back to Debian in a few years, we won't care. |
| 08:42.36 | debulante | points ReadPlease to #debian-offtopic |
| 08:42.37 | ReadPlease | And it's not that anyone treated me badly. But losing my job in the end doesn't make me feel respected. |
| 08:43.00 | ReadPlease | I'll take that as a no. |
| 08:43.41 | debulante | Learning debian off the bat is like jumping your car into 4th gear from stop |
| 08:44.28 | PsychiC_ | I disagree, using debian makes you learn the basics from start |
| 08:44.38 | twb | ReadPlease: http://www.ctrl-c.liu.se/~ingvar/asr/proffesion.html |
| 08:44.47 | PsychiC_ | It forces you to do things the proper way. |
| 08:44.49 | debulante | what if you do not even know nano? |
| 08:45.06 | sauvin | I disagree. I installed debian knowing damn little. Debian works anyway. |
| 08:45.28 | ReadPlease | Insult server? |
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| 08:45.46 | wieshka | hi there - i forogot what was the name of package for debian for PDF support ? |
| 08:46.01 | ReadPlease | <3 really? I'm going to go drop by the school district. <3 |
| 08:46.14 | debulante | i started with kubuntu, worked my way thru arch and now i have my own workstation on with 2 12 core opterons and 10 nodes in HPC |
| 08:46.29 | debulante | running on your very own debian |
| 08:46.32 | twb | wieshka: "support" as in a GUI app that can view them? |
| 08:46.53 | wieshka | twb: no - for apache2 + php5 |
| 08:46.56 | wieshka | for generating pdf |
| 08:47.12 | twb | wieshka: I don't know, but it will probably have "pdf" in the name, along with "apache" or "php |
| 08:47.27 | debulante | hugs ReadPlease for his lost job |
| 08:47.31 | twb | wieshka: php-fpdf ? |
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| 08:47.46 | debulante | ReadPlease but please on topic? |
| 08:47.56 | wieshka | twb: nea |
| 08:48.05 | twb | wieshka: hmm? |
| 08:48.18 | wieshka | ok - yeah - it is php-fpdf |
| 08:48.23 | wieshka | i tried php5-fpdf |
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| 08:48.55 | themill | wieshka: if you need utf-8 capabilities, you might prefer tcpdf (same API, less brain dead) |
| 08:49.02 | twb | wieshka: I just did "apt-cache search pdf | grep php" and found it. |
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| 08:50.15 | themill | wieshka: it's not a debian package but both of these are just a pile of php files that you need to unpack somewhere sensible and include them. They're *almost* not worth having packaged in debian, the installation is so easy. |
| 08:50.40 | wieshka | themill: thx - i will figure out :) |
| 08:50.45 | wieshka | twb: also thx :) |
| 08:51.18 | twb | themill: all of PHP is not worth having in Debian :-/ |
| 08:51.44 | themill | twb: now now.... that's perhaps a teeny bit harsh! |
| 08:51.53 | twb | Cruel but fair |
| 08:52.19 | themill | wieshka: I haven't followed fpdf for a while.... it was pretty stagnant and couldn't do any non-ascii text when I last did. At that stage I converted everything I was doing with fpdf to tcpdf. It may have improved since then. Check them both out. |
| 08:52.32 | ReadPlease | This expert installation isn't really that difficult, so far. |
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| 08:52.44 | ReadPlease | I can't believe the docs are so long. |
| 08:53.43 | twb | ReadPlease: that's partly because we're aspy, and partly because Debian targets some pretty baroque hardware |
| 08:54.14 | twb | For conventional hardware you can just keep clicking "next" and get something more-or-less correct. |
| 08:55.04 | ReadPlease | Installer components don't seem to be covered, though. |
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| 08:55.16 | ReadPlease | Do I need to get 'fdisk' to manually partition? Probably no. |
| 08:57.10 | ReadPlease | This is oxymoronic: 'live-installer' "install the system". |
| 08:57.57 | twb | ReadPlease: the installer includes a graphical partitioning tool |
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| 08:58.03 | jfbethlehem | Is there a good up-to-date manual on how to install debian on a secondary disk on a system running debian? I bootstrapped a disk and chrooted into it. Tried installing the kernel, but I keep getting error messages about not being able to find a /dev/hd*. makedevving that doesn't work as it's udev. |
| 08:58.27 | twb | ReadPlease: if you really want to, you can drop to a shell and use fdisk, but I don't advise it |
| 08:58.41 | ReadPlease | Nah. I don't want to do that. |
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| 08:58.59 | twb | jfbethlehem: yes, that's covered in the "install from another unix" appendix of installation-guide-<architecture> |
| 08:58.59 | OpenTokix | ReadPlease: You can install cfdisk for manual paritioning if you feel like it. |
| 08:59.23 | ReadPlease | here: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/install.txt.en the components list is incomplete. |
| 08:59.49 | twb | jfbethlehem: the specific problem you're having is because /dev isn't bind-mounted from /dev to /target/dev, where /target is the destination of your new install |
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| 09:00.13 | twb | jfbethlehem: having said that, doing a "from unix" install is a tedious pain; I advise you to just boot d-i and do a conventional install |
| 09:00.15 | jfbethlehem | ah, thanks |
| 09:00.29 | jfbethlehem | i would....were it not that i'm not even remotely close to the system i have to reinstall |
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| 09:00.38 | jfbethlehem | and i have to reinstall it asap as the disk is crumbling |
| 09:01.05 | twb | jfbethlehem: if the disk is dying, you shouldn't be running off it at all |
| 09:01.21 | jfbethlehem | that's why i want to run it off another disk... |
| 09:01.22 | twb | jfbethlehem: at the very least, drop to single-user mode and remount it read-only |
| 09:01.54 | twb | jfbethlehem: oh, and if that's the case, you would get much better results by dd'ing the old disk (or filesystem, or files) to the new disk, rather than attempting to do a fresh install |
| 09:02.21 | twb | And you'd be doing that while running from a live CD, not from the dying disk. |
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| 09:03.31 | ReadPlease | ahg. I hit 'enter' to start selecting the additional components, and it continued rather than selecting. XD |
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| 09:07.03 | debulante | ReadPlease yyyeahh you need to do space... then enter |
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| 09:08.09 | debulante | but its ok it will install the base system, then we can aid you thru editing the apt file if you dont know how to, and you can install that way. |
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| 09:08.31 | twb | ReadPlease: you don't need any additional components |
| 09:08.40 | debulante | exactly |
| 09:08.47 | twb | ReadPlease: that prompt doesn't even appear unless you pick "expert install" |
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| 09:09.23 | debulante | twb incorrect, it does it on normal install with the 5.1 disc |
| 09:09.45 | ReadPlease | twb, I did click expert install. :)P And I had to select it to get mouse support. |
| 09:09.49 | twb | debulante: you realize we're talking about udeb components, not tasksel? |
| 09:09.57 | debulante | oooooooooooooooooh |
| 09:10.10 | debulante | shutting up |
| 09:10.29 | twb | At least, I *assume* that's what ReadPlease clicked through |
| 09:10.48 | ReadPlease | You're right. It's udeb. |
| 09:10.52 | twb | ReadPlease: mouse support during the install, or after? |
| 09:11.02 | ReadPlease | Probably .. during the install. |
| 09:11.24 | twb | Hum; that should magically happen as long as you're using a g-i rather than d-i |
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| 09:11.31 | ReadPlease | No, I'm not a troll. I'm just 'half' aware of what I'm doing. |
| 09:11.34 | twb | Which URL did you end up using to grab the installer from? |
| 09:11.35 | debulante | bangs forhead against keyboard a;osdkjfaoi;w |
| 09:11.48 | ReadPlease | The link you shot me was a direct dl link. Thanks. |
| 09:11.57 | ReadPlease | The mouse doesn't work in it, btw. |
| 09:12.01 | twb | Ah, OK, I'm surprised that supports the- right. |
| 09:12.30 | twb | I wasn't actually meaning for YOU to use that one, but it probably doesn't matter |
| 09:12.35 | ReadPlease | It says 'installer components', so..., I guess it's just 'during the install'. |
| 09:12.44 | jfbethlehem | twb: thanks for the advice, it worked |
| 09:12.55 | ReadPlease | Seriously. We need to throw him a party. |
| 09:13.03 | twb | jfbethlehem: I predict that you'll cock up the bootloader a few times before it works :-( |
| 09:13.12 | jfbethlehem | oh, probably |
| 09:13.26 | twb | goddamn grub2 cargo-cult autodetection crap |
| 09:13.50 | ReadPlease | There's something missing in this installer, though. The Ubuntu installer allowed me to use the universal clock, but it also said that it would adjust the clock I see to my time zone from the system clock |
| 09:14.01 | jfbethlehem | twb: but at least i got the kernel and grub and stuff installed |
| 09:14.12 | ReadPlease | This one gave me a 'network clock' and then gave me a list of only the US time zones, singapore, east india... |
| 09:14.25 | ReadPlease | and the universal clock |
| 09:15.16 | twb | ReadPlease: there should be two steps -- the continent, then the timezone |
| 09:15.44 | ReadPlease | Wow, I wonder if fakeraid would make a virtual box run faster, if I didn't have fakeraid installed on the rm. |
| 09:15.45 | twb | ReadPlease: you can always hit the "back" button and change your answer |
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| 09:16.00 | twb | !tell ReadPlease about fakeraid |
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| 09:19.40 | AlexC_ | morning |
| 09:19.47 | AlexC_ | with gnupg, how can I import a key from a keyserver? |
| 09:20.07 | twb | AlexC_: gpg --recv-key |
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| 09:20.27 | twb | !apt-key 012345678 |
| 09:20.27 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver keys.gnupg.net --recv-keys 012345678 ; gpg --export 012345678 | sudo apt-key add - |
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| 09:21.21 | jelly | AlexC_: import a key for your own gnupg usage, or for apt? |
| 09:21.23 | simple1 | hello...any help about traffic shapping per ip ? i am running vpn server and i want to limit the bandwidth download/upload per ip |
| 09:21.44 | AlexC_ | jelly gnugp usage |
| 09:21.54 | AlexC_ | thanks twb |
| 09:22.06 | jelly | AlexC_: use only the first gpg command, gpg --recv-keys, then |
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| 09:22.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | !traffic shaping |
| 09:22.16 | dpkg | i heard lartc is the Linux Advanced Routing & Traffic Control HOWTO. http://lartc.org/ #lartc on irc.oftc.net. See also <wondershaper>. |
| 09:22.20 | AlexC_ | yep, shall do :) |
| 09:22.44 | merethan | Hi all |
| 09:23.56 | merethan | The latest Squeeze (i386) ISO fails here. A file cannot be loaded causing the install to abort. Is there a file missing? |
| 09:24.14 | merethan | And yes, I know it is beta and all... |
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| 09:25.44 | ReadPlease | should I use 'msdos' partition? I've never even heard of that. |
| 09:25.50 | ghoulsblade | hi all, i upgraded from etch to lenny and now samba panics, some searching revealed >>dpkg -l | egrep "samba|libwb"<< that i have libwbclient0=2:3.4.8 and samba=2:3.2.5 , that seems to be the cause. i installed both from aptitude and didn't compile myself, how can i fix it ? |
| 09:26.08 | AlexC_ | ReadPlease: for what? |
| 09:26.37 | ReadPlease | VM on a intel x86 |
| 09:26.49 | ReadPlease | minimal debian install? |
| 09:27.13 | cantido | ReadPlease: msdos partition table? if so that's fine for x86 |
| 09:29.03 | twb | What is the purpose of /etc/.pwd.lock? |
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| 09:29.29 | twb | ReadPlease: "msdos" is the correct partition type for an i386 system, unless it's a Mac. |
| 09:29.43 | ReadPlease | groovy |
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| 09:30.12 | cantido | twb: MBR partition table should work fine on an X86 mac too |
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| 09:30.23 | fALSO | Hello there |
| 09:30.27 | cantido | twb: most of the time you will have a GPT/MBR hybrid |
| 09:30.35 | fALSO | A quick question, when i do dpkg âget-selections |
| 09:30.40 | twb | cantido: well, technically gpt will also work on a BIOS-based x86 system, but it's not the best choice |
| 09:30.47 | fALSO | what does it mean the deinstall |
| 09:30.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions libwbclient0 |
| 09:30.55 | judd | libwbclient0 -- etch-backports: 2:3.2.5-4~bpo41+1; lenny: 2:3.2.5-4lenny11; lenny-security: 2:3.2.5-4lenny12; lenny-backports: 2:3.4.8~dfsg-2~bpo50+1; sid: 2:3.4.8~dfsg-2; squeeze: 2:3.4.8~dfsg-2; experimental: 2:3.5.4~dfsg-1 |
| 09:30.59 | fALSO | in front of some packages that i have alreayd removed |
| 09:31.13 | cantido | twb: most BIOS can't boot from an GPT partition table.. macs can boot from an MBR partition table ;) |
| 09:31.25 | twb | cantido: personally I think they were STAGGERINGLY stupid to drop OpenFirmware |
| 09:31.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | ghoulsblade, I guess... "welcome to testing" |
| 09:31.36 | fALSO | anyone knows what the DEINSTALL means? |
| 09:31.49 | ghoulsblade | CutMeOwnThroat, so i need backports ? =) |
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| 09:31.54 | twb | OF needs like a 4kB PROM; EFI wants like 128MB of disk |
| 09:32.20 | cantido | twb: really crap EFI implementation ... it's magical! world changing! |
| 09:32.26 | twb | CutMeOwnThroat: the BIOS doesn't boot GPT directly; d-i is smart enough to install grub in a weird bootstrap way |
| 09:32.37 | twb | Er, bad completion |
| 09:32.45 | jfbethlehem | twd: no fuckup of bootloader....booted into new OS immediately, was able to ssh in and now i'm getting it back up to speed |
| 09:32.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | what is the exact version string of dpkg -l libwbclient0 say? |
| 09:32.56 | twb | jfbethlehem: good job! |
| 09:32.59 | fALSO | how do i remove those deinstalled |
| 09:33.09 | ghoulsblade | CutMeOwnThroat, ii libwbclient0 2:3.4.8~dfsg-2~bpo50+1 Samba winbind client library |
| 09:33.09 | twb | fALSO: sudo aptitude purge ~c ? |
| 09:33.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | ghoulsblade, hm, that's from backports... you must have installed something from there that upgraded that library |
| 09:33.48 | fALSO | thank you twb |
| 09:34.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | ghoulsblade, dunno... there's no proof that the segfault comes from there... |
| 09:34.45 | ghoulsblade | i found a couple of mailinglist entries while searching that mentioned that one and my samba version, but they seemed to have been compiled manually |
| 09:34.56 | merethan | The Squeeze (i386) ISO from last Monday fails here. A file cannot be loaded causing the install to abort. The bug tracker however has a horrible search function, so I cannot check whether someone had & reported this problem before. |
| 09:35.28 | ghoulsblade | so since lenny isn't that new and samba should be common i thought i'd ask here. should i uninstall both packages and compile manually ? |
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| 09:35.56 | twb | merethan: what file? |
| 09:36.24 | cantido | ghoulsblade: the version of samba in lenny is *old* but should work |
| 09:36.26 | ghoulsblade | CutMeOwnThroat, or is there a way to uninstall the packages and change my apt-sources (add or remove backports etc) to get it working ? |
| 09:36.51 | merethan | twb, can't remember, one sec, gonna run the install again. |
| 09:36.58 | ghoulsblade | currently i'm using deb ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/backports.org/ lenny-backports main contrib non-free |
| 09:37.13 | ghoulsblade | and deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ lenny main |
| 09:37.17 | twb | merethan: /etc/mtab? |
| 09:37.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | ghoulsblade, but I agree that all library packages that provide files that you see with ldd /usr/sbin/smbd that are not out of lenny are prime suspects... |
| 09:37.30 | ghoulsblade | what should i use to get the standard ? |
| 09:38.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | ghoulsblade, depends why you have that library... you could try if the samba from backports works with it... |
| 09:38.53 | ghoulsblade | i'm not aware of needing it for anything other than samba. how can i install the one from backports then ? i don't know apt/aptitude that well |
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| 09:39.36 | ghoulsblade | reverting the config and installing a different version is fine with me as well, i just want a working samba one way or the other =) |
| 09:39.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | ghoulsblade, you could check the dependencies of that with "aptitude why libwbclient0" |
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| 09:40.27 | ghoulsblade | CutMeOwnThroat, aptitude why only outputs one line : i smbfs Depends libwbclient0 (>= 2:3.2.0) |
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| 09:41.47 | merethan | twb, "The failing step is: load installer components from CD" |
| 09:41.54 | merethan | Red screen and all |
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| 09:42.39 | OpenTokix | merethan: If your cdrom is sata, try turning off acpi in bios. |
| 09:42.42 | ReadPlease | I'm trying to use the /home /usr /tmp and /var on separate partitions, just to see what it's like. Wow, this is going to be fun. |
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| 09:42.50 | merethan | OpenTokix, it is on IDE |
| 09:42.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | ghoulsblade, well, or you could see what aptitude tells you has to be done with "aptitude install --simulate libwbclient0=2:3.2.5-4lenny" |
| 09:43.13 | OpenTokix | merethan: ok, is the computer fairly new, maybe you need to put the sata/ide in some other configuration? |
| 09:43.35 | merethan | Thing is, it is able to scan the package list |
| 09:43.41 | merethan | So the CDrom works fine |
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| 09:44.12 | ghoulsblade | CutMeOwnThroat, thanks, i'll try =) |
| 09:44.19 | twb | merethan: OK, I don't know about that |
| 09:44.33 | merethan | I suspect the ISO to be faulty (inconsistent file lists or something) or my media is boned. But I don't hear my drive doing any reading retry's. |
| 09:44.46 | twb | merethan: checksum it, then |
| 09:44.56 | merethan | So, my bet is on the faulty ISO ATM :) |
| 09:45.03 | merethan | yeah, can do |
| 09:45.07 | ReadPlease | Jesus, cut! Can you pick a more ripe name? |
| 09:45.18 | cantido | merethan: try an older snapshot |
| 09:45.24 | ghoulsblade | CutMeOwnThroat, .. Unable to find a version "2:3.2.5-4lenny" for the package "libwbclient0"... full output : http://lennysamba.pastebin.com/P3HHwijL |
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| 09:46.02 | ReadPlease | Have a little empathy, man. That kind of joke doesn't have the staying power you might think it does. lol |
| 09:46.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | ghoulsblade, oops, my fault, I guess - the version was truncated... should have been 2:3.2.5-4lenny12 |
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| 09:47.37 | twb | ReadPlease: tab completion is your friend |
| 09:47.54 | twb | ReadPlease: (presumably he's referring to pterry's CMOT Dibbler character.) |
| 09:48.25 | ReadPlease | Doesn't work in bersirc. :-/ |
| 09:48.44 | twb | Get a better IRC client, then. Emacs ships with two. |
| 09:48.46 | ReadPlease | Nice. I'll go check out Dibbler. |
| 09:49.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | ghoulsblade, if it doesn't find the package with "aptitude install --simulate libwbclient0=2:3.2.5-4lenny12" either, then can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 09:49.07 | twb | Personally, I think people who don't follow MIT's user naming scheme are a bit silly |
| 09:49.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell ReadPlease -about Dibbler |
| 09:49.13 | bonding | hi, a question about bonding. at http://wiki.debian.org/Bonding its mentioned that you have to use "slaves eth0 eth1" in the interface file, but a example at the readme of ifenslave use "bond_slaves eth0 eth1" which one is the correct one? |
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| 09:49.27 | ReadPlease | I'm kinda pissed bc my 'lifetime' 20-dollar mIRC registration expired when my 20 dollar / month SBCGLOBAL.net account expired. |
| 09:49.41 | ReadPlease | Thanks. |
| 09:49.51 | ghoulsblade | Cueball, now it asks if i want to continue : DOWNGRADED libwbclient0 REMOVED : libtalloc2 http://lennysamba.pastebin.com/2FN6umq4 |
| 09:49.57 | ghoulsblade | sorry, was at CutMeOwnThroat |
| 09:50.15 | ghoulsblade | looks good for me, can i go ahead ? =) |
| 09:50.22 | twb | ReadPlease: if you're IRCing from Windows you probably have bigger problems than which IRC client you're using |
| 09:50.33 | twb | To wit: you're using Windows |
| 09:50.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | ghoulsblade, if those are the only actions... looks good - but I don't understand how you got that library in the first place |
| 09:51.03 | ReadPlease | hahaha, yeah.... just 6 more weeks until I get my ubuntu CD in the mail. :D |
| 09:51.09 | ReadPlease | I need friends. lol |
| 09:51.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | twb, he said the u-word |
| 09:51.23 | merethan | twb, checksum failed |
| 09:51.36 | twb | CutMeOwnThroat: Uppsala? |
| 09:51.36 | ghoulsblade | maybe something during etch>lenny upgrade ? or some error in my apt sources list : http://lennysamba.pastebin.com/WHu2921a |
| 09:51.50 | merethan | twb, my ISO wasn't the same length as stated by the http server ;) |
| 09:52.01 | merethan | My bad |
| 09:52.21 | cantido | merethan: it's lucky you didn't find the right BTS page ;) |
| 09:52.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | twb, close |
| 09:53.02 | merethan | Yeah |
| 09:53.37 | ghoulsblade | CutMeOwnThroat, that seems to have solved the problem, i get no more internal error during samba restart =D thank you very much =) |
| 09:53.38 | merethan | I am so used to downloads always going just fine that I don't bother checksumming them anymore |
| 09:54.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | ghoulsblade, no, that looks fine... |
| 09:54.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | very well :) |
| 09:55.07 | twb | CutMeOwnThroat: you should just do a netboot install like me |
| 09:55.17 | twb | CutMeOwnThroat: then it's automatically checksummed, because everything is installed by apt |
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| 09:55.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | twb, I think your tab-completion sucks |
| 09:55.37 | twb | Oops, yeah |
| 09:55.47 | twb | It's because I have it set to "lazy" not "unique" |
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| 10:01.46 | tomatto_ | hi |
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| 10:02.42 | tomatto_ | please, do you know why my samba's nmbd is shutting down simultenously? |
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| 10:04.06 | twb | tomatto_: I do not know. |
| 10:04.08 | cantido | tomatto_: with smbd? |
| 10:04.19 | twb | tomatto_: what investigation have you already done? |
| 10:04.44 | tomatto_ | cantido: smbd is already running but nmbd no... |
| 10:05.06 | tomatto_ | twb: samba share without passwords loging |
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| 10:05.39 | bint | are questions like: "is cryptmount secure and a good alternative to truecrypt?" welcome here? or should i go to another more topical chat? |
| 10:05.58 | cantido | tomatto_: can you explain your problem in a bit more detail? |
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| 10:06.43 | cantido | bint: I think most of them are going to equally "secure" |
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| 10:06.56 | bint | k |
| 10:07.25 | OpenTokix | bint: Dont ask to ask =) - but I aggree with cantido and it would probably need some expertanalysis to make a correct decision about it. |
| 10:07.42 | twb | bint: you might want #ubuntu-hardened on Freenode (which, despite the name, also includes Debian hardening people). |
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| 10:07.51 | cantido | bint: they all use the same ciphers etc... but if I was going to select one I would just use the built in stuff |
| 10:08.06 | tomatto_ | cantido: i started samba server few weeks ago (smbd and nmbd) and now when i want to mount samba directory, it can't. i look for where is the problem, and i see that nmbd is not running anymore |
| 10:08.34 | cantido | tomatto_: did you check the logs in /var/log/samba ? |
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| 10:08.42 | tomatto_ | that is weird and i don't know why |
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| 10:11.54 | ghoulsblade | tomatto_ smb : check /var/log/samba/log.smbd and /var/log/samba/log.nmbd if it says INTERNAL ERROR try dpkg -l | egrep "samba|libwb" |
| 10:12.25 | ghoulsblade | the versions of libwbclient0 and samba have to be the same, if they're not i just had the same problem |
| 10:13.47 | ghoulsblade | what helped for me (lenny) was aptitude install --simulate libwbclient0=2:3.2.5-4lenny12 (first try like this, and if it doesn't uninstall anything important do it without the --simulate) |
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| 10:14.32 | tomatto_ | ii libwbclient0 2:3.2.5-4lenny12 client library for interfacing with winbind service |
| 10:14.35 | tomatto_ | ii samba 2:3.2.5-4lenny12 a LanManager-like file and printer server for Unix |
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| 10:15.30 | tomatto_ | yes, it is same |
| 10:16.14 | tomatto_ | error is only in log.winbindd-idmap: ERROR: Initialization failed for alloc backend, deferred! |
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| 10:16.17 | ghoulsblade | ok, so it's a different problem then, no idea sorry =) maybe try running testparm to see if your config is ok |
| 10:16.37 | danielig1 | hey, I just switched from ubuntu to debian ;-) |
| 10:16.45 | danielig1 | give me a hug folx |
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| 10:17.43 | cantido | you are my hero |
| 10:18.15 | pallgone | !hug danielig1 |
| 10:18.15 | dpkg | wraps its shiny metal lovin' arms around danielig1 |
| 10:18.45 | tomatto_ | ERROR: both 'wins support = true' and 'wins server = <server list>' cannot be set in the smb.conf file. nmbd will abort with this setting. <- why is not possible? |
| 10:18.50 | danielig1 | !thunderbird |
| 10:18.50 | dpkg | Mozilla Thunderbird is replaced by Icedove in Debian as of Lenny. Ask me about <icedove>. |
| 10:18.59 | danielig1 | !icedove |
| 10:18.59 | dpkg | Icedove is a DFSG-free fork of Mozilla Thunderbird, a cross-platform email client, which replaces Thunderbird in Debian from Lenny. Debian is unable to distribute Mozilla Thunderbird as-is due to trademark restrictions, see <DFSG> and <iceweasel>. For help with upstream issues, ask #thunderbird on irc.mozilla.org. |
| 10:21.10 | tuv | Xorg eats up my cpu every now and then. i have to kill -9 its ass for my desktop to be usable again |
| 10:21.25 | danielig1 | should I use icedove and iceweasel just as their proprietary counterparts? how about the plugins? |
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| 10:21.51 | anddam | hello |
| 10:22.21 | pallgone | danielig1: yeah, they are the same apart from the name/logo |
| 10:22.49 | tuv | danielig1: yes. plugins too, and they're not prprietary |
| 10:22.56 | anddam | is there a tool to sniff a unix socket? |
| 10:23.09 | avar | tuv: Yes they're proprietary, that's why there's a fork. |
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| 10:23.21 | anddam | or can I create a bridge between two socket using something like tee and dump the actual data? |
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| 10:28.03 | danielig1 | Here we also have evolution as the standard mail client. Why? |
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| 10:28.41 | danielig1 | because it integrates better with gnome? |
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| 10:29.54 | anddam | danielig1: here where? |
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| 10:30.30 | danielig1 | here in debian. |
| 10:30.38 | danielig1 | squeeze |
| 10:31.18 | anddam | idk, but I suppose it depends on your package set, I always go with netinstall |
| 10:31.32 | danielig1 | me too. |
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| 10:33.20 | anddam | is there a dpkg entry for the "untrusted packages " warning when installing? |
| 10:35.00 | twb | !apt-secure |
| 10:35.01 | dpkg | [apt-secure] Starting with version 0.6, <APT> performs signature checking of the Release file for all archives. See http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt , "man apt-secure" and chapter 7 of the Securing Debian Manual (ask me about <securing debian>) for more information. See also <key>, <no public key>. |
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| 10:38.35 | anddam | twb: but is this sources.conf/apt.conf related? |
| 10:38.46 | anddam | I upgraded lenny to testing |
| 10:41.04 | anddam | I have debian-archive-keyring but no debian-keyring |
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| 10:44.03 | michalxo | Hello people! I am having an interesting problem.. I have 2 laptops both debians, both have same wine isntalled. The thing is, mine is in ENGLISH lang and showing wrong letter like Å¡ÄťžÅ, but other one laptop, installed with CZECH lang has no problem with showing "domestic" fonts at all... where can be a problem? |
| 10:44.50 | twb | anddam: so what's the problem? |
| 10:45.40 | anddam | twb: what's my original problem or what's the problem with having debian-archive-keyring while not having debian-keyring? |
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| 10:52.47 | danielig1 | michalxo: check your locale settings. |
| 10:53.04 | michalxo | yeah I think thikning of it right now :-) |
| 10:53.19 | themill | anddam: can you pastebin the output of running "aptitude update" once more? |
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| 10:55.08 | michalxo | danielig1 not working for me :-/ I just did LANG=sk_SK.utf8 started wine app and no change :-( |
| 10:55.10 | michalxo | any other idea? |
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| 10:55.56 | anddam | themill: I can, http://paste.lisp.org/+2G1P |
| 10:56.10 | anddam | themill: actually this is its first pastebin |
| 10:56.51 | themill | anddam: there's no untrusted packages warning there... what have I missed? |
| 10:57.11 | anddam | themill: when I install a package I get a warning |
| 10:57.22 | anddam | for instance I just installed socat and socket |
| 10:57.31 | anddam | I got the warning for both of them |
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| 10:57.59 | themill | anddam: can you do afresh and pastebin the output? The output of "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2 (etc)" would be handy too. |
| 10:58.18 | anddam | idk afresh |
| 10:58.35 | themill | anddam: "do it again" (don't show me old output) |
| 10:58.40 | anddam | sure |
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| 11:00.16 | anddam | themill: I removed and reinstalled the package with aptitutde and this time I didn't get the warning |
| 11:00.37 | anddam | themill: can you suggest me a packge without dependencies? I want to check this too |
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| 11:00.50 | themill | "sl" |
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| 11:01.22 | anddam | didn't get the warning |
| 11:01.24 | themill | anddam: but it sounds like it sorted itself out. Re-running apitude update again can do that if you've just managed to catch the mirror in the middle of an update or a proxy gave you some stale content. |
| 11:01.50 | anddam | but this time I have updated after your pastebin request, when I firtsly tried I still haven't |
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| 11:01.58 | anddam | thank you |
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| 11:02.52 | themill | np |
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| 11:03.11 | anddam | how does sl works? |
| 11:03.20 | anddam | I mean how could it check if I type "sl"? |
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| 11:03.35 | themill | tias! |
| 11:03.37 | visof | hello |
| 11:03.57 | anddam | anyway lunchtime |
| 11:04.34 | visof | how can i scan wifi networks from command line, and how can i connect my laptop to hidden network ? |
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| 11:06.10 | cantido | visof: iwlist <int> scan IIRc |
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| 11:06.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | only as root, though |
| 11:07.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | and connecting to a hidden network is not different than another one... just specify the aps mac |
| 11:10.38 | visof | cantido: iwlist wlan0 scan ? |
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| 11:11.14 | visof | visof:/home/visof# iwlist wlan0 scan |
| 11:11.15 | visof | wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down |
| 11:11.38 | twb | Last time I did it, I used kismet |
| 11:11.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | "ifconfig wlan0 up"? |
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| 11:12.19 | twb | ip link set device wlan0 up :P |
| 11:12.33 | twb | iproute2 is where it's at, man |
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| 11:16.47 | cantido | visof: ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 11:16.51 | permalac | hello everybody |
| 11:16.55 | permalac | i would like to open firefox - full screen mode - from the command line. Does anyone know how to do it? |
| 11:18.59 | twb | permalac: ratpoison & firefox & wait |
| 11:19.03 | abrotman | wtf |
| 11:19.07 | danielig1 | michalxo: did you change the locale settings for wine? |
| 11:19.11 | abrotman | twb: if you can't answer with usable stuff, just be quiet |
| 11:19.30 | michalxo | danielig1 env LANG="cs_CZ.utf8" WINEPREFIX="/home/michalxo/.wine" wine "ATF/atf.exe" -- not working... |
| 11:19.41 | visof | cantido: what for hidden ? |
| 11:19.44 | twb | abrotman: which particular idiocy (of mine) are you referring to? |
| 11:19.57 | michalxo | danielig1 I don't know any other way how to make it ... |
| 11:19.59 | abrotman | twb: he didn't ask how to use ratpoison |
| 11:20.00 | cantido | visof: with hidden I think you just set the essid and wait |
| 11:20.33 | cantido | visof: iwconfig wlan0 essid <your essid> |
| 11:20.38 | twb | Well, otherwise it depends on his window manager (if he's running one) |
| 11:20.48 | abrotman | no, it may not .. just knock it off |
| 11:20.55 | cantido | notes that hidden essids are basically pointless |
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| 11:21.18 | twb | Er, it does. Windows aren't supposed to resize themselves. |
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| 11:21.38 | themill | twb: "firefox fullscreen mode" and running a full-screen window are completely different |
| 11:21.41 | twb | They can issue an MWM or EWMH hint asking to be maximized, but it's up to the WM to implement that, and some don't. |
| 11:21.42 | abrotman | right, because not a single app in the entire *nix world has a --full-screen option .. not a single one .. |
| 11:21.59 | twb | abrotman: if they do, they're either assuming MWM or they're violating ICCCM |
| 11:22.00 | visof | cantido: i got it , how can i connect to it ? |
| 11:22.15 | abrotman | twb: so either answer his question, or be quiet .. his answer has nothign to do with ratpoison |
| 11:22.15 | cantido | visof: what do you mean by "connect"? |
| 11:22.25 | danielig1 | michalxo: please use pastebin, and don't msg me. |
| 11:22.29 | danielig1 | !msg |
| 11:22.29 | dpkg | (1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/). |
| 11:22.44 | twb | Shrug. RP is how *I* get browsers maximized. |
| 11:23.17 | cantido | twb: "people" do use that sort of setup for automatic screenshot servers too |
| 11:23.19 | michalxo | danielig1 http://pastebin.com/uxFhi3tp |
| 11:23.26 | danielig1 | thanks, |
| 11:23.34 | danielig1 | have you used locale-gen? |
| 11:23.43 | abrotman | some people want a kiosk-type setup |
| 11:23.58 | twb | I've used RP to maximize browsers for kiosks, too. |
| 11:24.00 | visof | cantido: to use wifi via that hidden network ? |
| 11:24.24 | michalxo | nope danielig1 |
| 11:24.25 | themill | twb: maximised and "full screen" are different things. |
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| 11:24.36 | twb | Well, technically for a CCTV setup playing streaming A/V to senior citizens. |
| 11:24.52 | abrotman | you gave ratpoison to senior citizens? |
| 11:24.56 | twb | Yep |
| 11:25.02 | abrotman | calls the poilce |
| 11:25.03 | abrotman | police |
| 11:25.06 | michalxo | danielig1 (I don't want to lose my english speaking gnome... just one specific application is needed to be run in SK lang) |
| 11:25.08 | twb | They don't have a keyboard, so it doesn't matter |
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| 11:25.44 | twb | The alternative would be to calculate the geometry and boot the browser with a -geometry argument, I guess. |
| 11:26.21 | abrotman | why can't he just start X without a WM and start the browser? |
| 11:26.30 | twb | Because then it won't start full-screen. |
| 11:26.45 | permalac | twb: ratpoison is a window manager. Do I need all that bunch of functionalities to be able to open firefox full screen from command line? The only thing I would like to do is to print a webpage, full screen, from command line. And it needs some pluguins installed on firefox, so I need to do it through firefox. By now I'm able to print by command line, with a .xpi extension. Now I would like to do it full screen. |
| 11:27.02 | themill | twb: still not full-screen mode... seriously. Do you even know what firefox's full screen mode is? |
| 11:27.55 | cantido | themill: can you put it into that mode from a shell? |
| 11:27.56 | michalxo | danielig1 I see now.. thanks... :-) |
| 11:28.03 | cantido | themill: because that's what he's asking for |
| 11:28.19 | cantido | themill: if you can do it from inside FF fair enough, but thats not what he asked for |
| 11:28.32 | twb | digs out a host that still runs ff and calls it with --help |
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| 11:28.48 | abrotman | wonders why he can't wget | html2ps .. and print ? |
| 11:28.58 | themill | permalac: there appears to be no command line option for full screen mode for firefox, but there seems to be a couple of extensions that either make it go full screen straight away or add such an option. I've not tried them though... |
| 11:29.08 | twb | abrotman: presumably it needs js or some other frippery |
| 11:29.15 | abrotman | i'm asking him |
| 11:29.22 | twb | abrotman: btw, html2ps can issue GETs internally |
| 11:29.31 | abrotman | and we're about done with twb for the day |
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| 11:31.55 | michalxo | danielig1 thanks, locale-gen worked.. just to play with font-size a bit :-D |
| 11:32.25 | visof | is there a touchpad accelerator ? |
| 11:32.41 | twb | visof: define "accelerator" |
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| 11:33.44 | permalac | themill: I'll google on that direction. If I found that kind of shit I'll come back to share it. So noone will need ratpoison to take some automatic snapshots. :) |
| 11:34.03 | cantido | permalac: there are free services out there already |
| 11:34.03 | themill | permalac: good luck! |
| 11:34.10 | twb | visof: If you just want the touchpad to move the mouse faster, you probably want to play with the pointer acceleration settings in gnome/xset, and/or any settings your touchpad driver supports (e.g. man synaptics). |
| 11:34.17 | cantido | permalac: writing that sort of thing from scratch is a total pain in the arse |
| 11:34.58 | twb | cantido: I was going to say "surely someone has a non-firefox xulrunner-based app for that", but he said something about plugins |
| 11:35.24 | permalac | cantido: by now the problem is that the web I need to snap is a piece of crap. so I need to take it through firefox for sure |
| 11:35.57 | cantido | twb: from what I remember the only "browser" can really be controlled properly is the thing built into the Java gui toolkit thingy |
| 11:36.14 | cantido | permalac: there are services that will snap it with FF for you |
| 11:36.24 | twb | cantido: well, short of using xvfb and slapping xnee on top and such |
| 11:36.25 | visof | twb: i'm using xmonad so i should do it from the command line , how can i make it max speed acceleration? |
| 11:36.48 | cantido | twb: how do you handle slow page loads etc? |
| 11:36.49 | twb | I *think* xset [mouse [accel_mult[/accel_div] [threshold]]] [mouse default] |
| 11:37.23 | abrotman | the mouse man page probably has some details |
| 11:37.24 | twb | visof: I find the defaults work well for me unless gnome-settings-daemon gets started by some bloody gnome app -- which then changes the accel to a crawl :-( |
| 11:37.37 | jpinx-eeepc | anyone know how to uncompress a lzma image of squeeze ? |
| 11:37.44 | cantido | twb: ff etc don't allow you to get inside to see whats going on.. konq with dcop (probably gone now) would allow you to probably control the browser |
| 11:38.06 | visof | twb: it's bad for me , my laptop is Dell latitude D620, it's bad |
| 11:38.10 | sedstapler | jpinx-eeepc: lzma -d foo.lzma |
| 11:38.20 | twb | cantido: last time I looked, pretty much all solutions for turning a webpage into a PDF sucked even harder than html2ps :-/ |
| 11:38.22 | cantido | permalac: http://browsershots.org/ |
| 11:38.27 | jpinx-eeepc | sedstapler: too easy :) thanks dude :) |
| 11:38.40 | twb | visof: that and the synaptics(5) manpage -- assuming it's a synaptics touchpad |
| 11:39.21 | sedstapler | jpinx-eeepc: generally I'd recommend âatoolâ, it's a command line frontend for dozens of packers. atool -x foo.tar.bz2, atool -x bla.dpkg, ... |
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| 11:39.27 | cantido | twb: you can do it manually pretty easily.. doing it via a script is a pain in the arse |
| 11:39.29 | twb | cantido: re slow pages -- I guess you use wget --spider to pre-cache it :-) |
| 11:39.50 | jpinx-eeepc | sedstapler: yea - readding man now - it's cool - thanks |
| 11:39.58 | sedstapler | jpinx-eeepc: atool also makes sure that archives don't pollute your directory by creating a sub folder if the archive has more than 1 file in / |
| 11:39.59 | cantido | twb: ok.. so some really slow script on one of the pages + all those hacks people use to avoid caching.. |
| 11:40.06 | twb | Yeah, I know |
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| 11:40.13 | crissi | hello |
| 11:40.25 | twb | Did I mention I hate the modern internet? |
| 11:40.30 | crissi | i want to know where i can get ocaml 3.11 for lenny |
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| 11:40.46 | sedstapler | twb: why? |
| 11:40.49 | crissi | http://www.debian-database.org/?s=list&r=lenny_waja shows 3.11 |
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| 11:40.51 | cantido | twb: if it's written in ruby or something it's beautiful! |
| 11:40.54 | cantido | oh and magic |
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| 11:41.45 | twb | cantido: in my book anything that's an "app" should die and go back to NeWS |
| 11:41.47 | os_admin | hello, when i try to connect with my private key on the server i have this error penSSH_3.6.1p2, SSH protocols 1.5/2.0, OpenSSL 0x0090701f |
| 11:41.47 | os_admin | debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config |
| 11:41.47 | os_admin | debug1: Rhosts Authentication disabled, originating port will not be trusted. |
| 11:41.47 | os_admin | debug1: Connecting to 188.165.219.162 [188.165.219.162] port 624. |
| 11:41.47 | os_admin | debug1: Connection established. |
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| 11:43.07 | hay | hi all.. I would like to add date / time stamp to every ICMP ping reply... what would be the easiest way to achieve this? thx! |
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| 11:43.36 | abrotman | os_admin: paste.debian.net please |
| 11:43.49 | os_admin | ok |
| 11:43.49 | twb | hay: um, ICMP packets don't have a timestamp AFAIK |
| 11:44.34 | twb | I tell a lie -- ICMP timestamp packets are a separate type to your echo-reply's |
| 11:44.41 | abrotman | there's a -T in man ping |
| 11:44.44 | hay | twb, no... I would like to get date / time of every icmp reply, received by the server... for example, I start ping of some host and would like to monitor, when pings are soccessul and when are not |
| 11:45.10 | hay | just by looking into some output file |
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| 11:45.24 | twb | hay: oh, right. |
| 11:45.29 | hay | oh, never mind... just found it :) |
| 11:45.33 | hay | thanks anyway |
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| 11:45.57 | twb | hay: yeah, abrotman was right with ping -T |
| 11:46.05 | wfq | hi guys |
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| 11:47.16 | twb | Is NTP built on top of ICMP timestamp/timestamp-reply? I always assumed it was TCP |
| 11:47.22 | wfq | is there anyway of old debian packages by using dpkg or apt-get so that they do not interfere with any of the up-to-date packages already installed in the system? I am totally unable of compiling them manually after a couplel of days |
| 11:47.27 | os_admin | http://paste.debian.net/87043/ |
| 11:47.33 | wfq | I am desperate, just want to get it running |
| 11:47.43 | os_admin | in this url you find my pb |
| 11:47.54 | os_admin | *problem |
| 11:47.54 | abrotman | wfq: give us the actual package and which version of debian you're running and it's from |
| 11:48.08 | os_admin | http://paste.debian.net/87043/ |
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| 11:48.40 | wfq | abrotman, I am running debian squeeze and I would like to install opencv1.0 which will need ffmpeg (probably 0.4.9-pre1) |
| 11:50.25 | abrotman | why so old? |
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| 11:50.50 | wfq | abrotman because need an algorithm that runs only over 1.0 |
| 11:50.58 | abrotman | i meant for ffmpeg |
| 11:51.11 | abrotman | wfq: your easiest solution might be a chroot |
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| 11:51.24 | abrotman | wfq: if you can find the package source, you can try to rebuild those though |
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| 11:51.52 | wfq | I don't mind the ffmpeg version, it is only that I have tried to compile the latest one with opencv1.0 and there is no way |
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| 11:52.42 | permalac | cantido: browsershots.org it's not an option, I would like to do it via cron. |
| 11:52.48 | wfq | pff this is all getting very hard |
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| 11:56.06 | greenmang0 | hello friends, i am getting following error while installing Redmine |
| 11:56.09 | greenmang0 | Rails requires RubyGems >= 1.3.2 (you have 1.2.0). Please `gem update --system` and try again. |
| 11:56.16 | greenmang0 | when I try "gem update --system" |
| 11:56.18 | greenmang0 | i get |
| 11:56.25 | greenmang0 | ERROR: While executing gem ... (RuntimeError) |
| 11:56.25 | greenmang0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:56.32 | shylent | well! |
| 11:56.37 | greenmang0 | I am running Debian Stable 5.0.5 |
| 11:56.39 | shylent | it says it all in plain english, does it not? |
| 11:56.53 | greenmang0 | and rubgems is already a latest version |
| 11:57.17 | greenmang0 | shylent: rubygems is already a latest version |
| 11:57.33 | greenmang0 | rubygems1.9 |
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| 11:58.01 | shylent | greenmang0: well, this is in no way related to debian then :/ I'd just like to point out that there is a debian package for redmine |
| 11:58.15 | greenmang0 | shylent: in testing ... not in stable |
| 11:58.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt-get madison redmine |
| 11:58.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | err |
| 11:58.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions redmine |
| 11:58.34 | judd | redmine -- lenny-backports: 0.9.4-2~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.0.0-4; sid: 1.0.1-1 |
| 11:58.43 | babilen | Hi All, It's been a while since I configured multiscreen setups and need some pointers to good documentation on a triple screen setup. |
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| 11:59.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | triple! |
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| 11:59.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | you're overdoing it! |
| 11:59.51 | babilen | Am I? Hei, I've just got 2 new screens and am currently (only) using 2 of them .. What a waste of resources! :) |
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| 12:00.20 | babilen | Never had 3 screns working though and am unsure how to handle that. |
| 12:00.24 | greenmang0 | CutMeOwnThroat: so if i do apt-pinning i can install redmine from backports |
| 12:00.54 | greenmang0 | CutMeOwnThroat: but what if i upgrade to upcoming stable (squeeze) when it will be available |
| 12:00.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | babilen, mmh, I haven't tried that in a long time either, but it's all done with xrandr these days... something like xrandr --output VGA --left-of LVD |
| 12:01.05 | greenmang0 | CutMeOwnThroat: will it break redmine installation? |
| 12:01.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | greenmang0, how did you install redmine before? |
| 12:01.43 | greenmang0 | CutMeOwnThroat: never installed before... this is first time |
| 12:02.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | greenmang0, if you have backports in your sources.list (and ran aptitude update), you should be able to simply do "apt-get install redmine -t backports" (where the last backports has to be whatever you used in sources.list) |
| 12:02.42 | babilen | CutMeOwnThroat: Yeah, I managed to get 2 screens working without problem by using the screen setup wizard thingie in the gnome-control-center ... Ah well, I'll just google for information on that. |
| 12:03.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | babilen, are they all on the same graphics card? are there cards that actually do that?! |
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| 12:03.34 | elik | Say I am building my own router, and I want to add dns support to it (so my machines can be referenced by name), should I got with BIND or that's overkill? |
| 12:03.50 | shylent | elik: bind is never overkill |
| 12:03.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | I seriously wonder how it's supposed to go with several cards... probably xorg can load more than one driver and then all can be done by one xorg process... |
| 12:03.58 | SlayerXP | elik: given it's a case of typing "apt-get install bind9"..... |
| 12:04.15 | greenmang0 | CutMeOwnThroat: I can to that, but if in future when squeeze comes as a stable... and if i upgrade my system to it... will it break redmine instllation? |
| 12:04.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | babilen, how many displays does just typing "xrandr" show you? |
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| 12:04.38 | elik | shylent, SlayerXP, I know the installation is simple, it's more the setup that seemed daunting |
| 12:04.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | babilen, you should be able to configure all that are shown... |
| 12:05.10 | babilen | CutMeOwnThroat: Yeah, I am using my T60, have it plugged into a docking station and use just one graphic card. I have no idea if it is supported as I haven't tried that setup before. Am just looking for information on this setup. |
| 12:05.15 | shylent | elik: it is already configured with sane defaults, other than that read up on the configuration, - most of it is as trivial as it gets |
| 12:05.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | duh... my laptop shows VGA, LVDS, TMDS-1 and TV (although it doesn't have TV-out) |
| 12:06.09 | babilen | CutMeOwnThroat: I have LVDS, DVI-0 and VGA-0 which correspond to the three screens I have connected. |
| 12:06.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | greenmang0, "will" is said too much - it _should_ work... but whenever you use backports you're treading paths that are not so well-used, so additional problems are more likely... |
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| 12:06.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | babilen, can't you do two xrander commands lvds left-of dvi-0 and vga-0 left-of lvds, then? |
| 12:06.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | that would seem the obvious thing... |
| 12:07.00 | twb | Where is /var/lib/dpkg/cmethopt documented? |
| 12:08.00 | babilen | CutMeOwnThroat: I'll try that .. |
| 12:08.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | greenmang0, updates mainly go by version number... whenever you add squeeze as your main repo (which will happen automatically when you have "stable" in there), the newer version should get in |
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| 12:09.20 | greenmang0 | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah... i use "stable" instead of distro name |
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| 12:10.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | greenmang0, "stable" is just a soft-link on the ftp server... which will automatically change you to "squeeze" when it becomes stable |
| 12:10.21 | greenmang0 | CutMeOwnThroat: ok |
| 12:10.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you don't want that, but decide yourself when you switch to squeeze, use "lenny" |
| 12:10.47 | greenmang0 | o |
| 12:10.48 | greenmang0 | ok |
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| 12:11.43 | elik | shylent, so in that case, I'd be setting up a master DNS server, right? I was also wondering if I could make DHCP transfer the address of my server and one of my ISP's dns(assigned to my public interface) |
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| 12:12.28 | shylent | elik: well, yes, basically it will be a *master* for you, since you will be hosting the zone containing the records for the machines in *your* networks |
| 12:12.30 | tuv | how can i read proper OC'ed cpu frequencies in debian? |
| 12:13.00 | os_admin | have you any solution for this problem http://paste.debian.net/87043/ |
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| 12:13.14 | shylent | elik: you can also set up forwarding so that dns queries for anything your dns server does not know about go to your ISP's name servers |
| 12:14.06 | elik | shylent, hum, right. I was thinking more in terms of: if my DNS server has issues, hosts can bypass it directly |
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| 12:15.02 | shylent | elik: well, you can certainly do that by listing your name server along with your ISP's servers in your machines' resolv.conf (or dns servers field in connection properties on windows) |
| 12:15.18 | passwordoff | Where to find the manual of installation without debian-installer? |
| 12:15.44 | elik | shylent, I wanted to push that with the DHCP server |
| 12:15.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | os_admin, did you reinstall the server you're connecting to? |
| 12:15.52 | shylent | elik: sure |
| 12:16.18 | shylent | elik: doesn't really matter, its all the same really |
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| 12:18.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, that actually doesn't look like a new key |
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| 12:19.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | I dont think your pastebin reveales what the problem is |
| 12:19.25 | elik | shylent, right, but the thing is my ISP's DNS might change, so I wanted to fetch that after my public interface went up and then configure dhcp, but dhcp being configured by a static config file, the only way I can see would be to bring eth0 up, fetch my name.conf and alter dhcp config file. Is there a more straightforward way? |
| 12:21.52 | os_admin | yes it's a new server in which i paste into authorized_key my public key |
| 12:22.15 | os_admin | before i connect to it without any problem |
| 12:22.27 | os_admin | but now i have this error |
| 12:22.43 | abrotman | passwordoff: debian.org has a link to the manuals |
| 12:22.49 | shylent | elik: good question, I don't know a straightforward solution to this here and now, but I am sure this can be done with some minor scripting (you can hook to the "interface-up" event), so.. |
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| 12:23.04 | shylent | elik: I think, this is entirely doable |
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| 12:27.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | os_admin, it seems to complain about the server key, not your key... can you connect with a password? |
| 12:27.43 | bint | ok i've got some questions.. just let me know if they're too noob and i should rather google for em: i have cryptmount installed and a crypted part in /home/bint/crypt/ - now when i unmout it, crypt will be empty and not writeable - mounted i can open it and list all files - this is what i want... but now i'd like to install some applications into this /crypt/ folder so if not mounted, the |
| 12:27.43 | bint | applications aren't able to start and nobody could read its files like passwords stored in plaintext etc... |
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| 12:28.10 | bint | now usually i used just aptitude install "package" to install something.. but it always automatically installed it to someplace.. (tbh i dont even really know where) |
| 12:28.32 | os_admin | i disable password authentification |
| 12:28.45 | bint | but now if i would like to install a specific package into my "crypt" dir - how does this work? and is it recommendend or is it absolutely bullshit to intsall apps into /home/bint/crypt |
| 12:29.03 | shylent | what exactly are you going to be installing? |
| 12:29.18 | bint | ftpd counterstrike dedicated |
| 12:29.24 | kylemcgill | lol |
| 12:29.25 | shylent | wooo |
| 12:30.04 | shylent | I suppose, those "cleartext passwords" are stored in the configuration files or something |
| 12:30.26 | shylent | so you don't really need to *install* your apps to a different locations, but rather ensure that the configuration files are on the encrypted partition |
| 12:30.42 | bint | ok |
| 12:31.01 | bint | but if i want that specific apps aren't even visible that they're installed when the drive is not mounted |
| 12:31.07 | bint | i could install them in /crypt/ |
| 12:31.22 | bint | i mean its possible and doens't have bad effects to the system? |
| 12:31.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | bint, then you will have to install outside the packaging system, i.e. from source |
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| 12:31.43 | bint | ahhright |
| 12:31.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it's not really much to do with debian anymore |
| 12:31.59 | bint | so i go to the website etc..d download the file and install it manually |
| 12:32.28 | bint | so my debian wouldn't be stable anymore? |
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| 12:33.26 | hay | and now it actually is the same: "64 bytes from 74.125.43.105: icmp_seq=1 ttl=50 time=40.8 ms" (not working - Linux Debian) and "64 bytes from 74.125.39.106: icmp_seq=0 ttl=53 time=53.091 ms" (FreeBSD, working) |
| 12:33.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | bint, if you wonder where things were installed that you got from packages... dpkg -L <packagename> - and the rules those follows, you can "/msg dpkg fhs" in here |
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| 12:33.43 | bint | oh great thx |
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| 12:34.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | bint, installing outside the packaging system is totally fine if you know what you're doing... erm, which I fear might be the problem? |
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| 12:36.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | (no offense meant) |
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| 12:39.55 | bint | CutMeOwnThroat you're right :D |
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| 12:40.02 | bint | but i think i'll kinda learn what i'm doin |
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| 12:41.10 | anddam | should /usr/games automatically go in PATH when package installs binaries there? |
| 12:41.11 | ReadPlease | Is there any reason a person without some kind of strange old processor would want to select a different kernel? I'm just reading about kernels, now. |
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| 12:41.57 | abrotman | ReadPlease: huh? You use the one appropriate for your CPU |
| 12:42.09 | anddam | ReadPlease: he is talking about The Others |
| 12:42.15 | abrotman | ReadPlease: the others are different flavors/variations with a certain purpose |
| 12:42.26 | jelly | anddam: I thought Lost had finished |
| 12:42.47 | anddam | jelly: that's just because you have the wrong cpu arch |
| 12:42.59 | anddam | I run a Darma 1,02THz |
| 12:43.00 | jelly | anddam: /usr/games _is_ in default users' path |
| 12:43.13 | anddam | # echo $PATH |
| 12:43.18 | anddam | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:43.35 | anddam | testing netinstall |
| 12:43.39 | jelly | anddam: you are either not using default scripts, or are not a regular user. |
| 12:43.50 | anddam | tho' this is root, it's a small vps for webservering |
| 12:43.52 | jelly | anddam: no games as root please |
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| 12:43.58 | ReadPlease | Could you give me some examples, abrotman, old bean? |
| 12:43.58 | anddam | just the sl thing |
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| 12:45.52 | abrotman | old bean? |
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| 12:46.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, he read too much Woodehouse |
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| 12:46.21 | abrotman | ReadPlease: the -bigmem for instance might be for a person who has a -686 CPU family, with more than 4GB of RAM .. Not everyone needs that, so it's a specific purpose kernel |
| 12:46.32 | anddam | one can't read too much Woodhouse |
| 12:46.47 | twb | jelly: or he messed with /etc/login.defs |
| 12:47.16 | twb | jelly: or I suppose he could be using a weird login service that doesn't use /etc/pam.d/common-* |
| 12:47.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, if it gets too much for you, just tell him "toodeloo" |
| 12:49.15 | abrotman | toodaloo ? |
| 12:49.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | e |
| 12:50.05 | anddam | abrotman: further Woodehouse british slang |
| 12:50.15 | twb | ITYM biggles |
| 12:50.18 | abrotman | oh well, he seems to have stopped caring |
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| 12:51.30 | ReadPlease | wow!!!! I didn't know I could do that! |
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| 12:52.01 | ReadPlease | Yeah, I wanted to try some Woodehouse, today. It wasn't worth it, abrotman. |
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| 12:52.33 | ReadPlease | Bucker up, old bean. ^~^ |
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| 12:53.13 | ReadPlease | I thought my motherboard had to be designed a certain way, so that I could run 686 w/ more than 4gigs. |
| 12:53.33 | abrotman | they do .. but if your OS doesn't support it, it won't do you much good |
| 12:53.53 | ReadPlease | Assuming the motherboard seat more than 4 gigs, does it really just come down to the kernel? Because I had a computer with 8? maybe 16 gigs of RAM, and I couldn't figure out how to use it all w/o going into 64bit mode. |
| 12:54.14 | ReadPlease | Ah. I see. My mistake. |
| 12:54.55 | Justin | !+PAE |
| 12:54.55 | dpkg | Physical Address Extension (PAE) refers to a feature of x86 and x86-64 processors that allows more than 4 gibibytes (GiB) of physical memory to be used in 32-bit systems, given appropriate operating system support. The Linux kernel supports PAE starting from 2.6.x. It has full PAE support, enabling access of up to 64 GiB of memory on 32-bit machines. Ask me about <bigmem>. |
| 12:54.55 | stew | ReadPlease: the -bigmem kernels have a sort of hack to address all of it in a 32 bit kernel (at a performance cost, however) |
| 12:55.41 | ReadPlease | Could you tell me what vserver is for, also? I'm trying to read up on it. |
| 12:56.04 | abrotman | ReadPlease: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vserver |
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| 12:56.15 | stew | or /msg dpkg vserver |
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| 12:56.39 | ReadPlease | So, the motherboard and the kernel must support PAE is what you're saying, right? |
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| 12:58.26 | OpenTokix | the cpu must spport pae |
| 12:58.55 | ReadPlease | Got it. Thank you. |
| 12:59.09 | twb | grep \\\<pae\\\> /proc/cpuinfo, I imagine |
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| 13:03.41 | jacekowski | ekhm |
| 13:03.51 | jacekowski | name cpu produced in last 5 years that doesn't support PAE |
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| 13:05.04 | abrotman | jacekowski: ARM? |
| 13:05.20 | jacekowski | x86 |
| 13:05.36 | abrotman | you didn't say that! |
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| 13:07.53 | bohne | is there some standard tool to check if a service is running or not and when not to start it? for example start-stop-deamon |
| 13:08.33 | bohne | or do i have to write this myself with grep ps or so and call it using cron |
| 13:08.59 | abrotman | in lenny? |
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| 13:09.31 | stew | bohne: check if the service you are talking about creates a pid file, which will help determine if it is running. what do you mean by "when not to start it" |
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| 13:09.50 | bohne | yes lenny |
| 13:09.52 | anddam | bohne: I saw a "status" command for a service |
| 13:10.00 | abrotman | bohne: daemontools perhaps ? |
| 13:10.07 | niklaswe | bohne: or use ps command |
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| 13:10.24 | bohne | deamontools |
| 13:10.28 | bohne | thanks |
| 13:10.32 | iman | how can i change default browser? |
| 13:10.49 | stew | iman: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
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| 13:14.40 | anddam | can anyone help me dumping traffic on a unix socket? |
| 13:14.53 | anddam | I'm not able to understand how to use unixcat from ucspi-unix |
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| 13:15.11 | anddam | I thought it could attach to an existing socket and wait for data |
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| 13:15.19 | binhoz | hello |
| 13:15.28 | binhoz | i need a help |
| 13:15.40 | anddam | but it exit cleanly after a couple seconds without data |
| 13:15.41 | binhoz | i installed the samba in debian lenyn |
| 13:16.02 | binhoz | but i don't know how i create a users |
| 13:16.14 | binhoz | to connect in the folders at the server |
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| 13:17.11 | anddam | binhoz: there are different types of authentication, did you read the man page for config file? |
| 13:18.51 | bohne | to check if a service "Casa" is running i can use "ps x | grep Casa | grep -v grep". How can I I use this in a small shell script, to start the service if it is not running? |
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| 13:22.00 | tarzeau | bohne: add || startit |
| 13:22.17 | babilen | bohne: And take a look at pgrep |
| 13:22.18 | tarzeau | bohne: there's also && for 0 return codes |
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| 13:24.09 | bohne | holy cow: http://www.mokonamodoki.com/check-for-a-process-and-start-it-if-its-not-started-linux-unix |
| 13:24.48 | anddam | I'm a bit confused, should I manually create a unix socket for listening or should I let socat create it? |
| 13:25.28 | binhoz | anddam yes |
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| 13:25.49 | binhoz | browsable |
| 13:25.50 | anddam | binhoz: you can't answer "yes" to a choice |
| 13:25.52 | binhoz | read-only |
| 13:25.56 | anddam | actually you can but that's meaningless |
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| 13:35.11 | binhoz | anddam but, to create a user and pass to enter on network |
| 13:35.17 | binhoz | just to transfer de files |
| 13:35.21 | binhoz | linux x windows |
| 13:35.27 | binhoz | i need to create a user in the linux |
| 13:35.53 | binhoz | to people can log in the server |
| 13:35.55 | binhoz | alright? |
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| 13:44.07 | ToriLaurey | Welcome aguitel |
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| 13:45.20 | ToriLaurey | Welcome back abrotman |
| 13:45.26 | themill | ToriLaurey: please turn off your greeter script |
| 13:45.26 | abrotman | ToriLaurey: turn off whatever that is |
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| 13:45.40 | ToriLaurey | Welcome back stew |
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| 13:47.57 | passwordoff | unice |
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| 13:48.43 | easyfit | does the output from things run in for example /etc/cron.daily get logged somewhere? |
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| 13:54.46 | themill | easyfit: it would get emailed to root (which is normally aliases to be delivered to some other user on the system) |
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| 13:56.36 | Armageddon | I'm using Debian unstable, I would like to ask if this is a bug or a misconfiguration from my behalf and how do I fix it if it is ? http://yfrog.com/1gbugstj |
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| 13:59.31 | EvilToaster | why is my virtualbox font extremely big and not gedit and so on when i use ssh -X |
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| 14:02.10 | easyfit | ok, thanks themill |
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| 14:04.40 | nebukad_afk | hi. how can i force a reboot. when i type in 'reboot' it tells me system is goin down for maintenance but its not. i can still log on to it through ssh |
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| 14:05.11 | Armageddon | nebukad_afk, did you try shutdown -r now ? |
| 14:05.21 | Armageddon | nebukad_afk, if it doesn't work, halt and then turn on again |
| 14:05.25 | nebukad_afk | -r is with reboot? |
| 14:05.31 | jhutchins_lt | Armageddon: Looks like you've mistaken a fuzzy screenshot for useful diagnostic information. |
| 14:05.39 | nebukad_afk | it has to be reboot because its a remote machine |
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| 14:05.50 | Armageddon | nebukad_afk, -r is reboot yes |
| 14:06.41 | Armageddon | jhutchins_lt, this is not a fuzzy screenshot as this happens more often, when I switch from workgroup to another or swtich between applications or change iceweasel tabs |
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| 14:07.12 | Armageddon | jhutchins_lt, do you think I should ask in Gnome for it ? |
| 14:07.21 | dkr | !tell Armageddon about sid |
| 14:07.22 | nebukad_afk | Armageddon, its not rebooting |
| 14:07.27 | nebukad_afk | just stays right there |
| 14:07.34 | Armageddon | dkr, I know I read it |
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| 14:07.46 | dkr | Armageddon: apparently not the part about it not being supported here... |
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| 14:08.08 | Armageddon | dkr, I read it and started the website after I asked, sorry :) |
| 14:08.18 | nebukad_afk | will halt -r do a reboot? |
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| 14:08.24 | Armageddon | nebukad_afk, no |
| 14:08.35 | nebukad_afk | so halt is just power off? |
| 14:08.39 | thewanderer1 | nebukad_afk: `reboot` command will also do a reboot |
| 14:08.54 | Armageddon | thewanderer1, reboot doesn't work for him neither does shutdown -r now |
| 14:08.55 | nebukad_afk | thewanderer1, in my case it wont |
| 14:09.03 | thewanderer1 | er... |
| 14:09.11 | thewanderer1 | chroot? broken /dev ? |
| 14:09.12 | stew | nebukad_afk: reboot is a symlink to halt, and halt does a reboot when called as reboot |
| 14:09.15 | nebukad_afk | i think it all ahs to do with a dm-crypt partition |
| 14:09.20 | nebukad_afk | i cant luksClose anymore |
| 14:09.23 | tictac_ | shutdown -h will send the signal to turn off thr machine after it shutdown the os |
| 14:09.33 | tictac_ | -h for halt |
| 14:09.47 | nebukad_afk | i dont want to power off |
| 14:09.54 | thewanderer1 | if one really needs to reboot urgently, perhaps use the magic sysrq? |
| 14:09.55 | nebukad_afk | because i cant turn it back on |
| 14:10.02 | thewanderer1 | oh... |
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| 14:10.15 | tictac_ | heh |
| 14:10.28 | nebukad_afk | i would need a 1000km long finger |
| 14:10.30 | thewanderer1 | I am not really sure how this would work, I once did that with bash but that was only a trashed system that I had to reboot and break |
| 14:10.59 | nebukad_afk | or does anyone know how to force a cryptsetup luksClose ? |
| 14:11.03 | Armageddon | thinks that kicking the system is out of question also |
| 14:11.11 | bizio | Hello. I'm trying to install virtualbox-3.2 on my sid but it wants to remove a lot of packages: problem is related to python-2.6 (because it wants use python 2.5, but if I try to install it, it removes a lot of packages, like gnome etc. etc) Could someone please suggest me a solution? Thanks. |
| 14:11.18 | tictac_ | heh this is why i always use remote power devices |
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| 14:11.39 | tictac_ | bizio: dont use sid? |
| 14:11.40 | themill | dpkg: tell bizio about bat |
| 14:11.40 | thewanderer1 | nebukad_afk: you have to know the error message produced |
| 14:11.45 | dkr | set /proc/sys/kernel/panic to reboot upon panic and force a kernel panic? :p |
| 14:11.57 | themill | bizio: you'll need to provide a lot more information than that for us to help you. Please stick it in a pastebin. |
| 14:12.11 | Armageddon | dkr, lol ? :p |
| 14:12.39 | thewanderer1 | dkr, this is not a good solution since you can always use magic SysRq for the same purpose |
| 14:13.01 | dkr | thewanderer1: he's not physically at the machine. and I was only joking anyway |
| 14:13.19 | thewanderer1 | yes, but sysrq can be triggered with /proc files |
| 14:13.26 | dkr | ah. cool |
| 14:13.27 | ReadPlease | What's the difference between response delays on Windows and debian? |
| 14:13.32 | Armageddon | nebukad_afk, ask your administrator or your shell to reboot it ? |
| 14:13.46 | stew | ReadPlease: 7 |
| 14:13.47 | ReadPlease | for processes... |
| 14:13.53 | tjader | bizio: I have both virtualbox and python2.6 installed on my machine just fine. |
| 14:13.56 | dkr | ReadPlease: 42 |
| 14:13.57 | ReadPlease | real-time processes. It's 7ms? |
| 14:14.01 | stew | oh, no |
| 14:14.03 | nebukad_afk | hehe my administrator (mom) is not home ;) |
| 14:14.04 | ReadPlease | 42 what? Use units. |
| 14:14.16 | dkr | 42 bogodelays |
| 14:14.18 | Armageddon | nebukad_afk, a dog ? a cat ? a rat ? anything ? |
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| 14:14.32 | bizio | themill: ok here is it http://pastebin.com/Ju9v4isB |
| 14:14.45 | nebukad_afk | i thik a dead rat is lying on the problematic harddrive |
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| 14:15.21 | stew | bizio: what does "aptitude search '~U' | wc -l" return? |
| 14:15.34 | thewanderer1 | bizio: please, use LANG=C command when reporting errors, really, we don't all speak your language... |
| 14:15.34 | ReadPlease | I'm trying to figure out why assaultcube runs so differently in Ubuntu. |
| 14:15.38 | bizio | tjader: really? |
| 14:15.43 | tjader | bizio: yeah |
| 14:15.45 | thewanderer1 | ReadPlease: #ubuntu :P |
| 14:15.46 | junkY_San | stew, count the results |
| 14:15.50 | tjader | but not virutalbox-3.2 |
| 14:15.52 | nebukad_afk | Armageddon, do you know where cryptsetup logs can be found? |
| 14:15.53 | stew | junkY_San: what? |
| 14:16.03 | tjader | I don't see that package in apt oO |
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| 14:16.05 | bizio | stew: returns 0 |
| 14:16.08 | Armageddon | nebukad_afk, no idea ! |
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| 14:16.15 | ReadPlease | Yeah, I guess. It's just a debian child, though. And I figure maybe because I'm reading about kernels, I should ask #linux or something.... |
| 14:16.19 | thewanderer1 | as far as I know, Ubuntu includes many non-standard kernel patches that Debian does not, so this is not the right channel to ask, really |
| 14:16.22 | tjader | bizio: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=virtualbox-3.2 |
| 14:16.28 | tjader | I have virtualbox-ose installed |
| 14:16.36 | Armageddon | bizio, are you using debian repos or virtualbox repos ? |
| 14:16.44 | themill | bizio: Is your sid machine actually up to date there? |
| 14:16.47 | thewanderer1 | tjader: virtualbox-ose is what you should use |
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| 14:16.52 | stew | bizio: can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy virtualbox-3.2 python2.5" ? |
| 14:16.53 | ReadPlease | I'm just being lazy and putting the question where it's most convenient. I mean, I'm sure assaultcube plays just as 'differently' in deb as it does in ub, when compared to win. |
| 14:17.00 | bizio | tjader: ah the OSE one, no I'm trying to install the Sun one |
| 14:17.07 | tjader | bizio: ah |
| 14:17.09 | junkY_San | stew, "wc -l" counts the piped lines |
| 14:17.13 | tjader | Can't help you then. |
| 14:17.20 | bizio | Armageddon: the virtualbox repo |
| 14:17.21 | thewanderer1 | ReadPlease: probably the graphics implementation or so... |
| 14:17.27 | jordanm | bizio: you have to get that from oracle, supported at #vbox, not here |
| 14:17.37 | stew | junkY_San: yes, I wanted to know how many upgradable packages he has, which is why I asked him how many lines aptitude search '~U' returns |
| 14:17.50 | Armageddon | bizio, I think you should ask in their room about that problem ! or try installing the OSE |
| 14:17.50 | stew | themill: he claims aptitude search '~U' returns none |
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| 14:18.40 | bizio | stew sure http://pastebin.com/jjDp8bEd |
| 14:18.40 | thewanderer1 | bizio: for your information, virtualbox-ose 3.2.8 is in sid whereas 3.2.6 is in squeeze, both work fine for me |
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| 14:19.04 | jordanm | thewanderer1: OSE does lack some features |
| 14:19.16 | Armageddon | jordanm, it does |
| 14:19.18 | thewanderer1 | jordanm: I know... |
| 14:19.22 | stew | bizio: so your problem revolves around your trying to use a package compiled for stable on unstable |
| 14:19.29 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Keep in mind that we attempt to support the stable, released version of Debian here. |
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| 14:20.02 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: still, I see no reason to push a testing/sid user in the right direction if they want to solve their problem and see my solution as viable |
| 14:20.06 | ReadPlease | cool. Is it possible to run 'firefox' or 'chrome' or anything like that without installing the graphical desktop environment? |
| 14:20.13 | Chell | Hi all. I'm having a problem opening chrome and firefox. Both exit with "Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dl-open.c: 611: _dl_open: Assertion `_dl_debug_initialize (0, args.nsid)->r_state == RT_CONSISTENT' failed!" |
| 14:20.16 | bizio | stew ok I'm checking if there is an "unstable" repo of virtualbox |
| 14:20.23 | thewanderer1 | ReadPlease: sure, over SSH with X forwarding - why not? |
| 14:20.27 | Chell | I'd like to rtfm... but.. well. Can anyone here help me? |
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| 14:21.02 | ReadPlease | thewanderer1`, is there a place where I can read about that ? |
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| 14:21.18 | thewanderer1 | ReadPlease: google for it, it's very easy to find |
| 14:21.24 | abrotman | Chell: which version of Debian ? |
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| 14:22.03 | Chell | abrotman, Ub lucid. Asked in their chan, but no response. |
| 14:22.05 | ReadPlease | SSH x-forwarding? |
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| 14:22.18 | jordanm | Chell: still not supported here |
| 14:22.19 | abrotman | Chell: Ubuntu support is in #ubuntu, have a nice day |
| 14:22.23 | jordanm | !tell Chell about ubuntu |
| 14:22.23 | jhutchins_lt | ReadPlease: Both firefox and chrome rely on X, but it is possible to run console-based browsers with graphical display capability. |
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| 14:22.31 | themill | stew: hmm... python2.5 isn't uninstallable in sid though, which is what the first pastebin seems to imply. |
| 14:23.06 | thewanderer1 | ReadPlease: yeah, SSH X forwarding. and `man ssh` will tell you the complete story about usage :) |
| 14:23.17 | Chell | thanx anyway |
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| 14:24.08 | bizio | stew: but it's strange: look at that. I have another SID with same repository and in this machine python-2.5 and virtualbox-3.2 works...and apt-cache policy virtualbox-3.2 python2.5 show me this: http://pastebin.com/SeEJJ7Gr |
| 14:24.36 | thewanderer1 | ReadPlease: GPU-dependent apps will not run happily over SSH, mind you - so no OpenGL for you, or perhaps software rendering could "work" (think of a snail's speed) |
| 14:24.39 | jhutchins_lt | ReadPlease: It's not clear to me what you're asking, but you can run X applications remotely without having to run X on the remote system. |
| 14:24.41 | ReadPlease | okay. thank you, Master thewanderer1. |
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| 14:24.55 | ReadPlease | It's not remote. it's local. |
| 14:25.11 | ReadPlease | I'm trying to use firefox on a local machine w/o any desktop interface. |
| 14:25.21 | jhutchins_lt | ReadPlease: Nope. Not gonna work. |
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| 14:25.26 | bizio | themill: sorry I see your answer only now. Yes, it's up to date. |
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| 14:25.44 | jhutchins_lt | ReadPlease: However, like I said, there are console-based browsers capable of independent graphics. |
| 14:25.48 | thewanderer1 | ReadPlease: well, you can run just X.org and Firefox on top of that, or even run X in the framebuffer, but still... |
| 14:26.07 | thewanderer1 | and yes, textual browsers exist (links2 is nice) |
| 14:26.12 | Armageddon | ReadPlease, bottom line is use links2 |
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| 14:26.54 | ReadPlease | Use link2, so I can see firefox w/o having the dti. cool |
| 14:27.29 | thewanderer1 | hm, links2 is an independent browser... no CSS, probably, and ASCII (extended) display :) |
| 14:27.57 | jordanm | w3m as an emacs front end :) |
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| 14:28.46 | jhutchins_lt | ReadPlease: Um, you're not quite getting it. Firefox is a web browser that relies on X. |
| 14:29.07 | jhutchins_lt | ReadPlease: lynx, links(2) and w3m are console based browsers. |
| 14:29.19 | jhutchins_lt | ReadPlease: It is possible to enable graphics with them. |
| 14:29.24 | jhutchins_lt | ReadPlease: It has nothing to do with firefox. |
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| 14:44.32 | ta_bu_shi_da_yu | hi, is there a channel for debian bugs? |
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| 14:45.37 | tjader | ta_bu_shi_da_yu: I don't think so. |
| 14:45.57 | the-dude | ta_bu_shi_da_yu: do you want to report/discuss one? |
| 14:45.59 | tjader | discussion about existing bugs happens in that bug's mail thread. |
| 14:46.02 | stew | ta_bu_shi_da_yu: several, what exactly are you looking for? |
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| 14:46.12 | ta_bu_shi_da_yu | yeah... there's an issue that's causing cpio to segfault |
| 14:46.16 | tjader | If you wanna talk about a bug you found and isn't reported I guess this is the place |
| 14:46.17 | ta_bu_shi_da_yu | really, really trivial to do |
| 14:46.26 | tjader | ta_bu_shi_da_yu: report it :) |
| 14:46.27 | ta_bu_shi_da_yu | and I've debugged it and I know what's causing the issue |
| 14:46.32 | ta_bu_shi_da_yu | I've tried :-) |
| 14:46.37 | ta_bu_shi_da_yu | I downloaded reportbug |
| 14:46.41 | stew | ta_bu_shi_da_yu: does it appear here: http://bugs.debian.org/cpio ? |
| 14:46.47 | ta_bu_shi_da_yu | but I'm not entirely sure it got there... |
| 14:46.54 | ta_bu_shi_da_yu | let me see |
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| 14:47.15 | ta_bu_shi_da_yu | afraid not :( |
| 14:47.28 | ta_bu_shi_da_yu | funny thing is, it's a super simple fix.... |
| 14:47.51 | tjader | ta_bu_shi_da_yu: what went wrong with reportbug? |
| 14:47.52 | ta_bu_shi_da_yu | bug is if you run cpio -E alfkjsdlfdjs -t |
| 14:47.55 | ta_bu_shi_da_yu | dunno |
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| 14:47.59 | ta_bu_shi_da_yu | it said it sent the report |
| 14:48.04 | ta_bu_shi_da_yu | maybe I'm not waiting long enough |
| 14:48.13 | stew | ta_bu_shi_da_yu: how long ago did you send it? |
| 14:48.15 | ta_bu_shi_da_yu | for a response to my gmail account |
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| 14:48.21 | ta_bu_shi_da_yu | about 30 minutes ago or so... |
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| 14:49.04 | stew | ta_bu_shi_da_yu: check your outgoing mail logs to see if the mail from reportbug was sent or if there was an error |
| 14:49.15 | ta_bu_shi_da_yu | ummm... OK, that's where I get a bit stuck... |
| 14:49.21 | ta_bu_shi_da_yu | not sure what logs to check... |
| 14:49.25 | stew | ta_bu_shi_da_yu: /var/log/mail.log |
| 14:49.30 | ta_bu_shi_da_yu | thanx :-) |
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| 14:49.59 | ta_bu_shi_da_yu | ummmm... crap |
| 14:50.00 | ta_bu_shi_da_yu | empty |
| 14:50.06 | ta_bu_shi_da_yu | that's probably not good, huh? |
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| 14:50.32 | stew | ta_bu_shi_da_yu: how about /var/log/exim4/mainlog |
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| 14:50.59 | ta_bu_shi_da_yu | ohhhh... nice |
| 14:51.02 | ta_bu_shi_da_yu | thanks stew |
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| 14:51.05 | ta_bu_shi_da_yu | it aint happy |
| 14:51.21 | ta_bu_shi_da_yu | mailing to remote domains not supported |
| 14:51.23 | ta_bu_shi_da_yu | bugger |
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| 14:51.35 | ta_bu_shi_da_yu | I wonder if I can use gmail to send in the report? |
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| 14:52.58 | ta_bu_shi_da_yu | time for a dpkg-reconfigure |
| 14:53.02 | ta_bu_shi_da_yu | cheers fellas |
| 14:53.38 | riotingPacifist | I need to get root on my machine but i set it up using sudo so when i run single usermode it tired to call sudo (which is on usr and can't be mounted) and there is no root password |
| 14:53.52 | foetus | what is the preferred method for samba - 'preferred master = Yes' or 'domain master = Yes' , if i set preferred master to yes domain master is auto |
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| 14:54.35 | tjader | riotingPacifist: you should change root's password then. |
| 14:54.49 | stew | ta_bu_shi_da_yu: you can use the -o option to reportbug to save the email it would send to a file, then send that with gmail |
| 14:55.00 | ta_bu_shi_da_yu | ah! |
| 14:55.16 | foetus | run as PDC would be not bad, normally, but i fear about the clients.. |
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| 14:55.19 | ta_bu_shi_da_yu | I was about to ask what I could do... my ISP doesn't allow outbound SMTP connections via anything other than their own servers |
| 14:55.30 | ta_bu_shi_da_yu | nice... I'll do that |
| 14:55.31 | riotingPacifist | tjader: and how do i do that |
| 14:55.49 | tjader | riotingPacifist: boot a livecd, mount your root partition and chroot to it |
| 14:55.52 | tjader | then run passwd |
| 14:56.50 | thewanderer1 | riotingPacifist: if you don't have access to any liveCD, you can boot with "init=/bin/bash rw" cmdline and just call passwd there, then reboot |
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| 14:57.21 | pif | hi, what is the best way to encrypt my whole disk (password at boot) ? |
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| 14:58.26 | thewanderer1 | pif: LUKS |
| 14:58.39 | foetus | additionally i have recognized CPU usage near 90% - network itself is running real fast, server seems to be responcible in a normal way.. and the clients (all windows) can deal with it.. |
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| 14:59.17 | jhutchins_lt | foetus: Preferred master implies a peer in a workgroup, domain master means PDC. |
| 14:59.25 | deepu | will debian support ubuntu packages? |
| 14:59.32 | tjader | deepu: no |
| 14:59.41 | riotingPacifist | thewanderer1: thanks, that is what i needed, |
| 14:59.48 | jhutchins_lt | foetus: As far as CPU usage goes, it depends on WHAT is using the CPU. |
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| 15:00.04 | deepu | but both has .deb extensions |
| 15:00.08 | ongolaBoy | hello.when you have a NAT firewall with all INPUT,FORWARD set to DROP by default.What should you open for FTP in your lan ? |
| 15:00.18 | jhutchins_lt | deepu: Doesn't matter. |
| 15:00.19 | tjader | deepu: I can make a .deb package, that doesn't mean debian will support it. |
| 15:00.31 | riotingPacifist | deepu: sort of, it depends if the dependancies were compiled with the same toolchain |
| 15:00.38 | deepu | ohhhhh..........intersting |
| 15:00.40 | jhutchins_lt | deepu: Packages for a wide variety of systems have .tar.gz extensions, doesn't mean they're compatible. |
| 15:00.51 | tjader | deepu: a ubuntu package may work in debian |
| 15:00.53 | wfq | Hi all |
| 15:00.57 | tjader | but you won't get support for it. |
| 15:01.03 | jhutchins_lt | deepu: It's possible to manage debian packages using rpm too. |
| 15:01.10 | deepu | wow |
| 15:01.15 | stew | deepu: it is possible to install ubuntu pacakges onto debian, but we'd very strongly recommend against it unless you know exactly what you are doing. A better way of getting software from ubunto onto debian is to "backport" it, "/msg dpkg ssb" but use ubuntu sources instead of sid |
| 15:01.23 | ta_bu_shi_da_yu | oh dear |
| 15:01.27 | ta_bu_shi_da_yu | I just made reportbug segfault |
| 15:01.36 | riotingPacifist | deepu: generally you will run into issues, but it's definatly possible if debian started to freeze at the same time as a ubuntu release |
| 15:01.36 | ta_bu_shi_da_yu | that's a bit unfortunate! |
| 15:01.37 | wfq | the other day someone gave me a link where I could find old debian packages. Does anyone know which one is? Thanks |
| 15:01.43 | jhutchins_lt | ta_bu_shi_da_yu: Somehow I suspect you're not running lenny. |
| 15:01.44 | thewanderer1 | deepu: yes. there was a discussion in Ubuntu about changing the file extension .deb to .ubu or something like that, you know... |
| 15:01.44 | stew | ta_bu_shi_da_yu: please hit enter less often |
| 15:01.46 | deepu | thx:) |
| 15:01.53 | foetus | jhutchins_lt: so PDC would be the better choice, normally.. the client is a member in the same workgroup then, as preferred master i see no difference, however.. |
| 15:01.59 | ta_bu_shi_da_yu | sorry |
| 15:02.07 | ta_bu_shi_da_yu | jhutchins_lt, nope |
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| 15:02.11 | deepu | wow...... |
| 15:02.11 | jhutchins_lt | foetus: Has to do with NMB browsing. |
| 15:02.23 | tjader | wfq: archive.debian.org? |
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| 15:02.28 | foetus | jhutchins_lt: yes. |
| 15:02.28 | deepu | why they planning to change |
| 15:02.44 | thewanderer1 | !tell wfq about sdo |
| 15:02.51 | jhutchins_lt | deepu: Partly to keep people from confusing ubuntu with debian. |
| 15:02.55 | deepu | for unique extensions |
| 15:03.02 | deepu | ohhhh............right |
| 15:03.36 | wfq | thewanderer1, tjader, thanks. It was snapshot.debian.org |
| 15:03.37 | foetus | jhutchins_lt: lets see. i will test it the next few days, at this moment i can deal with samba as preferred master |
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| 15:03.56 | foetus | jhutchins_lt: thanks, sorry |
| 15:04.04 | deepu | .deb is a compiled version and .gz is a source code ,v have to compile it .......right |
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| 15:04.51 | jhutchins_lt | foetus: No problem. You might want to read about Windows Network Browsing - they have good documentation at Microsoft's sites and at Samba.org |
| 15:05.14 | riotingPacifist | deepu: deb is a package format it can hold anything, tar is the same |
| 15:06.23 | foetus | jhutchins_lt: ok, i will do it :) thanks for the recommends |
| 15:06.23 | riotingPacifist | tjader: if i change roots password then how can i dissable logging in as root? I want the security benefit of sudo without the danjer of sudo being on /usr when i mess things up |
| 15:06.26 | thewanderer1 | From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: Debian packages are standard Unix ar archives that include two gzipped, bzipped or lzmaed tar archives: one that holds the control information and another that contains the data. |
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| 15:07.18 | thewanderer1 | riotingPacifist: there is no security vulnerability associated with the usage of root account's password, unless you have a weak password... |
| 15:07.33 | rudi_s_ | riotingPacifist: What security benefit of sudo? |
| 15:07.45 | jhutchins_lt | riotingPacifist: Choose. |
| 15:08.13 | thewanderer1 | riotingPacifist: of course, nothing prevents you from compiling sudo statically and putting it in /sbin or so... |
| 15:08.25 | thewanderer1 | or /opt if that is on your root fs |
| 15:08.39 | OpenTokix | I have never gotten the sudo-obsession |
| 15:08.41 | riotingPacifist | I have to have a week password, I just get to run a linux box in an otherise windows work place |
| 15:09.04 | foetus | time for imaging then.. |
| 15:09.12 | OpenTokix | riotingPacifist: You have to have a weak password, how can you have to do that? |
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| 15:09.40 | riotingPacifist | OpenTokix: i have to use the same password we use elsewhere on our network so colleuges can get in if im away |
| 15:10.14 | thewanderer1 | riotingPacifist: for that, you use sudo and don't break your system... :P |
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| 15:10.30 | riotingPacifist | meh i'll just remember the init=/bin/bash trick i assumed that was pretty much wat single usermode was |
| 15:10.35 | OpenTokix | riotingPacifist: I would rather change collegues |
| 15:10.44 | OpenTokix | riotingPacifist: Good luck and have fun |
| 15:11.06 | riotingPacifist | OpenTokix: unless your offering me a job, sudo is by far the easier workaround |
| 15:11.15 | OpenTokix | hehe |
| 15:11.20 | thewanderer1 | riotingPacifist: actually, the "recovery mode" (single user, S switch) didn't use to require root password some time ago, so you might have assumed it worked that way |
| 15:11.25 | tdn | I use mpd with Debian and I keep getting this error in the log: "Audio File Library: WAVE MPEG layer 3 data format is not supported [error 0]". How do I fix this? |
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| 15:12.14 | riotingPacifist | thewanderer1: yeah that was my mistake, it seams silly for it to require a password tbh it doesn't add security just makes things harder for idiots and/or people who like sudo |
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| 15:13.33 | thewanderer1 | tdn: you need some audio library/codec, but which, I don't know |
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| 15:13.46 | stuckey | Hi all |
| 15:13.57 | stuckey | How do I record what I am seeing on my desktop? |
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| 15:14.29 | abrotman | istanbul |
| 15:14.35 | abrotman | desktop-recorder |
| 15:14.37 | thewanderer1 | stuckey: apt-cache search recorddesktop |
| 15:14.47 | thewanderer1 | s/recorddesktop/record desktop/ |
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| 15:15.50 | tdn | thewanderer1, I have installed lame, but that did not help. |
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| 15:16.00 | tdn | thewanderer1, I have added debian-multimedia sources. |
| 15:16.09 | stuckey | thewanderer1: i get nothing |
| 15:16.11 | foetus | ok lets go |
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| 15:16.33 | thewanderer1 | stuckey: abrotman's suggestions are good, I'd add "recordmydesktop" to that |
| 15:16.51 | thewanderer1 | tdn: lame is an encoder, you need a decoder library... have you installed mpd without recommends or so? |
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| 15:22.58 | Wooga | how do i make apt-get install packages only for arm arch? |
| 15:23.15 | tdn | thewanderer1, hmm... I don't think so. I use aptitude. I will check. |
| 15:23.20 | Wooga | isn't there any way to force specific architecture? |
| 15:23.41 | tdn | thewanderer1, mpd package does not recommend anything |
| 15:23.49 | tdn | Suggests: mpd-client, icecast2, pulseaudio |
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| 15:24.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | Wooga, all the time... it forces the architecture you have already installed |
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| 15:24.31 | Wooga | CutMeOwnThroat: isn't there any way to re-force it if it foreces wrong? |
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| 15:25.04 | stew | Wooga: what arch do you have installed? |
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| 15:25.10 | Wooga | stew: arm |
| 15:25.24 | stew | Wooga: what does "dpkg-architecture | grep DEB_HOST_ARCH" return? |
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| 15:25.48 | Wooga | i don't have `dpkg-architecture' in system |
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| 15:27.12 | thewanderer1 | dpkg --print-installation-architecture |
| 15:27.12 | dpkg | thewanderer1: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 15:27.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | err |
| 15:27.49 | Wooga | thewanderer1: it returns `arm' |
| 15:27.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt depends on dpkg-dev, which is the package dpkg-architecture is in |
| 15:28.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt, shaddup |
| 15:28.14 | apt | fine, be that way! |
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| 15:28.42 | mactimes | Could someone, please, let me know how to pick a different name for user profile in SAMBA? Default is /home/username/profile. I just want it to be /home/username/anything_else. Thanks in advance for replies. |
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| 15:28.47 | thewanderer1 | no, apt *suggests* dpkg-dev, at least on my system |
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| 15:28.53 | bint | if i have questions like: is there a ftp-client with a guy, able to use the FXP - where should i ask? |
| 15:28.59 | bint | i think this is not the right place to ask about software.. |
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| 15:29.17 | thewanderer1 | !ftp must die |
| 15:29.19 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie . If you really just want to provide anonymous download of files, use HTTP: http://daniel.haxx.se/docs/ftp-vs-http.html |
| 15:29.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, right |
| 15:29.23 | bint | lol |
| 15:29.26 | thewanderer1 | so don't ask me :P |
| 15:29.28 | stew | Wooga: and for what arch is apt downloading currently, if not arm? |
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| 15:30.04 | jhutchins | Production systems should not need -dev packages. |
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| 15:31.38 | permalac | cantido: finally I've got it. |
| 15:32.46 | permalac | cantido: using this : http://sites.google.com/site/torisugari/commandlineprint2 . I've opened the xpi files looking for a screen resolution, and then changing it for my desired resolution. Now I have a cron-reporting printing service . :) |
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| 15:37.09 | wfq | can guess that for being coherent with the standard file system, dpkg won't allow me to install .deb packages at any specific location |
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| 15:38.41 | stew | wfq: do you mean, to do something install a package into your /home directory instead of / ? |
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| 15:39.05 | Wooga | stew: it really installs arm, but for some reason i am getting /usr/bin/ssh: No such file or directory |
| 15:39.10 | wfq | stew, yes |
| 15:39.32 | stew | wfq: no, the best you can do is to unpack the deb with dpkg -x and the control files with dpkg -e and do it by hand |
| 15:39.39 | stew | Wooga: what command gives you that error? |
| 15:39.40 | Wooga | i had same problem on x86_64, when tried x86 binaries without 32-libs installed |
| 15:39.51 | Wooga | stew: /usr/bin/ssh |
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| 15:40.06 | stew | Wooga: is the openssh-client package installed? |
| 15:40.14 | Wooga | stew: yes |
| 15:40.24 | stew | Wooga: aptitude reinstall openssh-client |
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| 15:40.43 | Wooga | a tried to apt-get remove and apt-get install |
| 15:40.52 | stew | Wooga: and what happened? |
| 15:40.57 | Wooga | nothing changed |
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| 15:41.52 | stew | Wooga: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy openssh-client ; dpkg -S usr/bin/ssh ; stat /usr/bin/ssh" |
| 15:42.50 | wfq | stew, thanks. This is actually what I was trying to avoid coz I have spent a while now trying to compile manually the package. I was thinking about using dpkg to install an old package |
| 15:43.56 | Wooga | stew: sorry, most likely, no |
| 15:44.35 | Wooga | i'll try to manualy copy netcat/telnet/ssh binaries thorugh SD-card on my arm device, but dunno if i succeed |
| 15:45.46 | stew | Wooga: does "aptitude reinsatll openssh-client" succeed? |
| 15:45.53 | stew | by succeed I mean exit with a 0 |
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| 15:49.28 | CodeNinja | is there a way to go through the install process using ssh/screen so I can do everything remotely minus putting the CD in? |
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| 15:49.43 | Wooga | oh, i apparently broke whole system, now every binary yields that it can't load shared binary ld-linux.so.2 |
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| 15:50.26 | Wooga | s/shard binary/shard library/ |
| 15:50.28 | stew | CodeNinja: see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetworkConsole |
| 15:50.33 | CodeNinja | awesomesauce :) |
| 15:50.36 | CodeNinja | thanks st |
| 15:50.37 | CodeNinja | er |
| 15:50.39 | CodeNinja | thanks stew |
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| 15:50.48 | cantido | Wooga: whoops! |
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| 15:51.31 | cantido | Wooga: if you can get into a rescue system and put enough libs back in place to get apt running again you should be able to fix that |
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| 15:54.45 | Grey_Loki | Hi, i'm using Iceweasel and every time I switch back to a tab i've opened previously, instead of displaying what was in the tab, I get a grey background (basically about:blank, but grey instead of white). This only seems to happen in Iceweasel. Running squeeze with an ATI HD5770 and proprietary drivers. |
| 15:54.59 | Burns | Hello, What do you suggest for server hardening, My server was hacked at the first day it opened! |
| 15:56.26 | Grey_Loki | Burns: I run services on non-standard ports and run fail2ban, that seems to keep me safe enough (though I don't serve pages to the web) |
| 15:56.39 | CodeNinja | stew: if I setup a usb stick for the net console is it a problem if I dont use the network console on other systems? probably a stupid question, but I feel the need to know |
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| 15:57.45 | Burns | Thanks for fail2ban, I forgot about this Grey_Loki |
| 15:57.48 | stew | CodeNinja: i'm not sure I understand the question. are you asking if you can use the same key for network installs and non-network installs? |
| 15:57.52 | stew | Burns: do you know how they got in? |
| 15:59.12 | cantido | Burns: it's hard to say, you don't say how it got "hacked", or what services you intend to run, the exposure of said services.. |
| 15:59.21 | Burns | Nope |
| 15:59.47 | jacekowski | Burns: brain |
| 15:59.48 | Burns | I was in a hurry, so i turned it off, when I noticed I can't login in root and i can't use webmin |
| 15:59.56 | jacekowski | Burns: complicated password |
| 16:00.04 | jacekowski | Burns: don't have any excessive services running |
| 16:00.17 | jacekowski | Burns: well, nothing as root |
| 16:00.21 | jacekowski | like webmin for example |
| 16:00.28 | jacekowski | fail2ban is useless |
| 16:00.35 | Burns | really? |
| 16:00.39 | jacekowski | yes |
| 16:00.47 | Burns | whats better |
| 16:00.48 | CodeNinja | stew: yes |
| 16:00.50 | jacekowski | i mean, it's not going to give you any real security |
| 16:00.54 | Burns | ConfigServer ? |
| 16:00.55 | jacekowski | if you have stupid password |
| 16:00.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | not useless... it keeps the logs smaller |
| 16:01.05 | cantido | Burns: did they get in via webmin? |
| 16:01.13 | jacekowski | Burns: do it by hand |
| 16:01.15 | cantido | thought webmin wasn't in debian anymore.. |
| 16:01.22 | jacekowski | webmin should be banned |
| 16:01.23 | Burns | No idea cantido |
| 16:01.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's not |
| 16:01.29 | stew | CodeNinja: yes, just setup syslinux with more than one option, one that boots with the preseed file and one that doesn't |
| 16:01.45 | Burns | I disabled root, and changed ssh port |
| 16:01.51 | stew | webmin hasn't been in debian for many years |
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| 16:01.53 | Burns | and changed webmin port |
| 16:01.59 | cantido | Burns: if they got in easily chances are you have shitty passwords (you shouldn't have passwords) and shit like webmin installed |
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| 16:02.20 | jacekowski | Burns: NEVER USE WEBMIN OR SIMILIAR SOFTWARE ON ANY PRODUCTION SERVER |
| 16:02.23 | jacekowski | NEVER |
| 16:02.24 | stew | my guess for any server that got hacked is vulnerable web services |
| 16:02.24 | Burns | Maybe, I did a better pass this time |
| 16:02.32 | stew | jacekowski: please turn off your caps lock, and hit enter less often |
| 16:02.34 | cantido | jacekowski: s/PRODUCTION// |
| 16:02.37 | Burns | Why not jacekowski |
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| 16:02.46 | jacekowski | becuase it's running as root |
| 16:02.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | as I see it, there's none or little proof anything got cracked, though |
| 16:02.48 | Burns | If webmin was that vulnerable none would be using it |
| 16:02.51 | cantido | Burns: because things like that happen |
| 16:02.58 | jacekowski | Burns: that's why nobody is using it |
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| 16:03.13 | cantido | Burns: I think it was removed from debian basically because its a bag of shit |
| 16:03.21 | cantido | Burns: how did you happen to install it? |
| 16:03.30 | Burns | from webmin |
| 16:03.37 | stew | it was removed from debian becuase nobody wanted to maintain it in debian |
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| 16:03.52 | Burns | What do you suggest then, how to manage my websites |
| 16:03.59 | jacekowski | text editor |
| 16:04.06 | cantido | Burns: ok, so first lesson.. don't install random stuff. Use the packages in debian and use the security support |
| 16:04.11 | jacekowski | and edit config files in /etc/apache2/ by hand |
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| 16:04.32 | jacekowski | vulnerable software isn't a problem |
| 16:04.43 | cantido | Burns: second lesson, debian comes with a good example setup for apache2 (maybe lighttpd too), read the stuff in /usr/share/doc/ |
| 16:04.44 | jacekowski | vulnerable software running as root - that's a big problem |
| 16:04.45 | stew | Burns: if you are running a bunch of websites on the machine, i'd be much more suspicious of any server side scripting the websites use. like out of date php applications. old versions of stuff like wordpress |
| 16:05.04 | jacekowski | stew: that's running with reduced privileges |
| 16:05.17 | stew | jacekowski: yes, runs as www-data by default on debian |
| 16:05.32 | jacekowski | and i think somebody got root on his server |
| 16:05.36 | stew | yes |
| 16:05.41 | jacekowski | so that's not a problem |
| 16:05.45 | stew | why not? |
| 16:05.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | becoming root is much easier than breaking into a system through one of 5 open ports or so... much more targets to choose from |
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| 16:05.49 | jacekowski | problem is somewhere else |
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| 16:05.53 | cantido | jacekowski: vulnerable software is a problem if the vulerability happens to be privilege escalation |
| 16:06.01 | stew | jacekowski: how on earth would you know how they got in? |
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| 16:06.07 | Burns | I didnt run anythin yet on the server and it was hacked, only webmin and lamp |
| 16:06.12 | jacekowski | stew: probablity |
| 16:06.15 | Seb | webmin... |
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| 16:06.26 | cantido | Burns: webmin + lamp != nothing |
| 16:06.31 | Seb | precisely |
| 16:06.32 | stew | jacekowski: what does that mean? |
| 16:06.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | Burns, what and what proof have you that it was hacked? |
| 16:06.45 | Seb | webmin+lamp >>> nothing, aamof |
| 16:06.55 | jacekowski | stew: that there are things that are more likely to happen over others |
| 16:06.58 | Burns | Webmin deleted ? |
| 16:06.59 | jacekowski | stew: stupid password |
| 16:07.02 | Burns | Root passwd changed? |
| 16:07.09 | Burns | any more proofs? |
| 16:07.13 | jacekowski | stew: for example |
| 16:07.14 | amphi | cosmic rays ;) |
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| 16:07.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, that was my question... any more proof? |
| 16:07.26 | Burns | nope |
| 16:07.29 | ReadPlease | Debian is asking for a username and password, but I didn't even put a username in. :-/ |
| 16:07.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's not a hell lot to go by |
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| 16:07.37 | jacekowski | Burns: any logs? |
| 16:07.40 | cantido | I really wish the default opensshd config disallowed root logins |
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| 16:07.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | Burns, check your caps-lock key... |
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| 16:07.48 | jacekowski | cantido: i think it does |
| 16:07.49 | stew | jacekowski: i don't agree. and its quite wise that one assumes that any remote hole can be escalated to root |
| 16:07.57 | stew | jacekowski: it doesn't |
| 16:07.58 | amphi | CutMeOwnThroat: ;) |
| 16:08.01 | cantido | jacekowski: I don't think so.. at least not in lenny |
| 16:08.14 | Seb | stew: +1 |
| 16:08.19 | Burns | I didnt save logs |
| 16:08.30 | jacekowski | Burns: fool |
| 16:08.32 | ReadPlease | Should I just reformat, again? |
| 16:08.38 | cantido | It should disallow root logins and password logins by default.. then people can choose if they want to enable badness |
| 16:08.43 | Burns | Yeah i know |
| 16:08.45 | cristi8 | hi. i am logged in the first graphical console (Ctrl+Alt+F7), and another user was logged on in the 2nd (C+A+F8). he logged out (acually pressed ctrl+alt+backspace), and now he's unable to login anymore. login screen gives error "Too many logins for [user]". I also mention that i set maximum logins for that user to 1 (i forgot how) |
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| 16:09.05 | Seb | cristi8: it'll time out in a bit |
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| 16:09.19 | cristi8 | Seb: it's like that for a day and a half |
| 16:09.19 | Seb | cristi8: oh |
| 16:09.22 | Seb | cristi8: sorry misread |
| 16:09.32 | Seb | cristi8: i thought you were talking about the "too many failed login attempts" |
| 16:09.45 | jacekowski | stew: you have to assume that attacker is not going to make his life complicated |
| 16:09.51 | stew | no i don't |
| 16:09.56 | jacekowski | stew: and his system was fresh instal with up to date software |
| 16:10.00 | Burns | brb folks |
| 16:10.09 | stew | and I certainly don't have to assume that all the php sites he is hosting are not vulnerable |
| 16:10.15 | Burns | I'm not sure to be able to manage everything without webmin :/ |
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| 16:10.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | amphi, well, it's true! if there's a 10000 sites hacked a day, then there's a million people who have caps-lock on when typing their password (assigning random numbers) |
| 16:10.24 | stew | jacekowski: oh, really? how do you know that all his software was up to date? |
| 16:10.31 | jacekowski | fresh install |
| 16:10.40 | amphi | CutMeOwnThroat: I don't doubt it |
| 16:10.50 | Burns | Whats the latest apache/php version for lenny |
| 16:10.54 | stew | jacekowski: and all of the php he is running on the webserver came from debian packages? |
| 16:10.57 | ReadPlease | If I boot in single-user mode, can I recover the username/pass? |
| 16:11.09 | jacekowski | ReadPlease: you can change it |
| 16:11.12 | stew | ReadPlease: no, you can reset the passwords but not recover them |
| 16:11.12 | djura-san | hello. Im trying to upgrade my box to testing but i keep getting udev error about how apt failed to do pre installation script .... Any ideas on how to fix that? |
| 16:11.25 | jacekowski | stew: you make things complicated |
| 16:11.33 | ReadPlease | okay. recovery isn't important, but I want ta reset it, so I don't have to reinstall linux, right now. :) |
| 16:11.45 | Seb | ReadPlease: as root, "passwd thatuser" |
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| 16:11.53 | stew | jacekowski: you make random guesses |
| 16:11.59 | jacekowski | stew: because what you are saying is that he probably hacked via vulnerable website |
| 16:12.05 | cristi8 | uhh.. can nobody help me to get around this bug and be able to login again? |
| 16:12.06 | ReadPlease | I forgot the username, not the pass. |
| 16:12.07 | jacekowski | stew: which is very unlikely |
| 16:12.17 | Seb | ReadPlease: log in as root |
| 16:12.26 | ReadPlease | Oh. Is that the username? |
| 16:12.43 | stew | Burns: what kind of php software is running on these sites? can you give some examples? |
| 16:12.50 | amphi | ReadPlease: that's root's username ;) |
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| 16:13.09 | Burns | Nothing for now |
| 16:13.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | amphi, it's a bit like saying "I can't start my car, someone stole the motor!" |
| 16:13.13 | fxiny | rings to the BOFH editor |
| 16:13.19 | stew | Burns: when it was hacked |
| 16:13.22 | jacekowski | stew: bad php script can't hack server |
| 16:13.23 | Burns | Nothing |
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| 16:13.28 | jacekowski | stew: regardless of whatever happens |
| 16:13.28 | Seb | jacekowski: stew is willing to look at all the options for what happened there; you are not |
| 16:13.31 | Burns | like i said only lamp and webmin |
| 16:13.38 | stew | jacekowski: you are delusional |
| 16:13.46 | Burns | and the mailer |
| 16:13.47 | stew | Burns: what do you mean by lamp? |
| 16:13.51 | jacekowski | have you heard about shared hosting? |
| 16:13.52 | djura-san | can anyone help me please with my upgrade to debian testing? Please? |
| 16:14.05 | themill | djura-san: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
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| 16:14.10 | Burns | PHP Apache Mysql |
| 16:14.13 | jordanm | jacekowski: shared hosting implements suexec |
| 16:14.16 | Burns | and Squirrelmail |
| 16:14.16 | jacekowski | what you are saying that of one customer has vulnerable website it would affect everybody else |
| 16:14.28 | jordanm | jacekowski: that is true, if suexec is not used |
| 16:14.30 | Burns | Probally it was Squirrelmail |
| 16:14.46 | ReadPlease | so I type passwd root |
| 16:14.49 | themill | jacekowski: one crappy application turns a "local privilege escalation" into a remote one. |
| 16:14.54 | ReadPlease | and that's going to reset root's pass? |
| 16:15.10 | Seb | ReadPlease: you'd have to be logged in as root 1st |
| 16:15.10 | jacekowski | themill: so you need two bugs |
| 16:15.21 | ReadPlease | k |
| 16:15.24 | ReadPlease | i am\ |
| 16:15.24 | jacekowski | occam's razor |
| 16:15.35 | jacekowski | explanation with less assumptions is better |
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| 16:15.44 | ReadPlease | Yay! Thanks. |
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| 16:16.22 | djura-san | themill: the problem is that i already started my upgrade without kernel upgrade first so now im in deppendency mess. Udev cant be installed and cant be removed... Im not sure what to do other than reinstall of whole sys :| |
| 16:16.26 | themill | jacekowski: there are plenty of both around, particularly crap php things that let you execute arbitrary commands. And there are locally exploitable vulnerabilities found in the kernels on a weekly basis. |
| 16:16.27 | jordanm | jacekowski: I have seen vulnerabilities that allow the client to request ../../../../../etc/passwd. how does that not affect everyone? |
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| 16:16.50 | themill | djura-san: do you have a newer kernel installed yet (2.6.32 from squeeze) |
| 16:17.16 | jacekowski | ehh |
| 16:17.18 | djura-san | themill: i have the lenny one (2.6.26) |
| 16:17.25 | jacekowski | when people will learn that there is nothing sensitive in passwd |
| 16:17.51 | Seb | jacekowski: the same obvisouly applies to etc/shadow |
| 16:17.53 | themill | jacekowski: you might like to look at http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/linux-2.6 for a list of currently known and unpatched vulns in the debiankernel. |
| 16:17.57 | jacekowski | no |
| 16:18.15 | ReadPlease | Well, now that I've logged in and used my pw once, I can turn this damned thing off, reclaim my 512 mb of ram and dominate assault cube for a while. |
| 16:18.17 | jacekowski | but shadow has different chmods |
| 16:18.17 | jacekowski | -rw-r----- 1 root shadow 3053 Aug 6 15:36 /etc/shadow |
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| 16:18.25 | ReadPlease | Peace! ~^~ |
| 16:18.39 | Seb | sighes |
| 16:18.40 | themill | !squeeze udev fix |
| 16:18.40 | dpkg | If you're already stuck in a loop where apt tries to configure udev but that bails out because you don't have a new kernel installed yet: touch /etc/udev/kernel-upgrade; aptitude install kernel-image-`uname -r | sed 's/.*-//'`; reboot into new kernel; continue with upgrade procedure to squeeze. Ask me about <squeeze release notes>. |
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| 16:18.57 | jacekowski | themill: nothing with privilege escalation |
| 16:19.07 | jacekowski | really people |
| 16:19.13 | themill | djura-san: ^^ that should solve it for you. Please let me know how that goes. as something very like that is going to end up in the release notes... |
| 16:19.15 | jacekowski | start with simpler options |
| 16:19.22 | djura-san | themill: tank you. i will try it now |
| 16:19.27 | djura-san | *thank :) |
| 16:19.31 | jacekowski | and then as you eliminate simple options try more complicated ones |
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| 16:19.33 | themill | the most likely is that there was no hacking going on at all. |
| 16:19.38 | stew | there were a few privelege escalations fixed in the last security release |
| 16:19.49 | stew | and so there are known privilege escalations on the current install media |
| 16:20.37 | stew | there are more unreported privilege escalations |
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| 16:21.33 | jordanm | jacekowski: a list of users can be considered sensitive. that can easily be a list of users and email accounts that I can attempt to social engineer passwords out of, or get malicious software onto their machine |
| 16:22.07 | jacekowski | jordanm: but that's more complicated option |
| 16:22.12 | jordanm | passwd contains this list, and sometimes even phone numbers for the users |
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| 16:22.35 | stew | jacekowski: the simple explanation is that he has a weak enough password that someone remotely bruteforced it in under a day? |
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| 16:23.32 | Seb | heh |
| 16:23.37 | SuperMiguel | is there an easier way to decypher what an elf file does than using objdump?? |
| 16:23.38 | jordanm | jacekowski: also, passwd was just an example. the particular vuln I am thinking of, would return any file readable by the user running the webserver (www-data) |
| 16:23.53 | Seb | SuperMiguel: strings :) |
| 16:24.06 | SuperMiguel | Seb, strings? |
| 16:24.06 | djura-san | themill: well this is odd. That command cant find linux-image-686. I searched apt cache but there was no luck. Let me try to do apt-get install -f or something (or not?) |
| 16:24.14 | Seb | SuperMiguel: man strings |
| 16:24.18 | fxiny | a pass <=12 is weak |
| 16:24.43 | Seb | remotely brute-forcing it is something else altogether, though |
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| 16:25.14 | voxio | djura-san: apt-get update && apt-cache search linux-image |
| 16:25.23 | SuperMiguel | Seb, i get this http://pastebin.com/14DUdqys |
| 16:25.52 | djura-san | voxio: i did apt-get update already |
| 16:26.03 | voxio | should be linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 16:26.03 | themill | djura-san: do you have the squeeze repos in your sources.list? does a -686 kernel sound right for you? Can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy linux-image-686" |
| 16:26.16 | themill | ,versions linux-image-686 |
| 16:26.18 | judd | linux-image-686 -- etch: 2.6.18+6etch3; etch-security: 2.6.18+6etch3; etch-backports: 2.6.26+17~bpo40+2; lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.6.32+27~bpo50+1; sid: 2.6.32+28; squeeze: 2.6.32+28 |
| 16:26.57 | djura-san | themill: wait, i think that it's "magically" working now. lemme check again (thumbs up) |
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| 16:28.05 | djura-san | okay there is an error in that udex message on this channel. Package is called "Linux-image" not "kernel-image"... Sssh :| |
| 16:28.06 | jacekowski | fxiny: again, nobody is going to bruteforce password remotely |
| 16:28.30 | jacekowski | fxiny: and besides, it's easier to find collision than a password |
| 16:28.32 | stew | jacekowski: oh, but you said that you knew the problem was his weak password? how did they use his password? |
| 16:28.43 | themill | djura-san: oops... there's a flash back to the past. Fixed. |
| 16:28.45 | stew | easier to find a collision? |
| 16:28.49 | stew | get out |
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| 16:29.28 | jacekowski | well, linux is not using md5 anymore |
| 16:29.37 | stew | ? |
| 16:29.39 | jacekowski | it's little bit harder with sha1 |
| 16:29.42 | stew | i'm done being trolled |
| 16:29.49 | jacekowski | but you can still find collision within reasonable time |
| 16:29.54 | stew | hah |
| 16:29.54 | fxiny | jacekowski: i see no proof of intrusions , not a word about a decent baseline dump , nothing but "webmin", which , of course is enough , but in the realm of low cost nightmares ;) |
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| 16:30.05 | djura-san | themill: nope, that does not work. Still depp hell :| |
| 16:30.29 | themill | djura-san: you've now installed the new kernel and rebooted into it? |
| 16:30.36 | djura-san | no |
| 16:30.41 | djura-san | i cant install kernel at all |
| 16:31.13 | djura-san | (udev error is preventing installation of it) |
| 16:31.20 | SuperMiguel | any of you guys recognize what type/kind of file is this: http://pastebin.com/adKeGZBD |
| 16:31.30 | themill | djura-san: can you pastebin the output from the "touch /etc/udev/kernel-upgrade; aptitude install linux-image-686" command? |
| 16:31.48 | jordanm | SuperMiguel: use "type" and "file" |
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| 16:32.28 | djura-san | themill: i can type it here since i cant use mouse in tty2 and i dont know how to use keyboard copy/paste in it. Just a sec :) |
| 16:32.32 | Burns | Which FTP server do you suggest |
| 16:32.42 | jordanm | !ftpmustdie |
| 16:32.42 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie . If you really just want to provide anonymous download of files, use HTTP: http://daniel.haxx.se/docs/ftp-vs-http.html |
| 16:32.48 | Burns | VSFTP is any good ? |
| 16:33.02 | stew | Burns: do you really need to use FTP? or can the people that need to transfer files to the server use sftp instead? |
| 16:33.23 | Burns | I will use sftp then |
| 16:33.32 | stew | Burns: these days, many (most?) ftp clients know how to talk sftp, and that keeps your password from going over the net via plaintext |
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| 16:33.40 | Burns | ok |
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| 16:33.49 | jordanm | filezilla, a popular multi-platform FTP client, supports sftp |
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| 16:33.58 | themill | djura-san: do you have netcat installed? You can pipe to "nc paste.dyndns.org 1234" |
| 16:34.01 | fxiny | jacekowski: and the 12 figure could change quickly : who knows what those playstations and gpu are chewing right now ? password as we know it is too arcane |
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| 16:34.07 | jordanm | I usually have no trouble getting usual ftp user it use that instead |
| 16:34.18 | sheepz | hmm, how do I kill X? there's no init.d/gdm, kdm, xdm or whatever? |
| 16:34.31 | jordanm | sheepz: pkill X? |
| 16:34.48 | jordanm | sheepz: how did you start X? |
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| 16:35.23 | sheepz | it autostarted |
| 16:35.29 | sheepz | thanks, very elegant and worked |
| 16:35.54 | jordanm | sheepz: how did you configure the autostarting? |
| 16:36.05 | sheepz | I didn't configure it |
| 16:36.06 | peterrooney | sheepz: ps -ef f can give a great story of what started what. |
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| 16:36.11 | djura-san | themill: http://paste.debian.net/87101 |
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| 16:36.43 | sheepz | ok, looks like it starts itself again |
| 16:36.58 | jordanm | sheepz: what version of debian? |
| 16:37.24 | peterrooney | hates the lack of the forest option on solaris ps - and ptree is infantile in its capabilities |
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| 16:38.08 | sheepz | jordanm: 3.1 |
| 16:38.53 | themill | djura-san: Can you use aptitude rather than apt-get for this? |
| 16:38.53 | sheepz | it is some custom distro the sole purpose of which is sending/receving some soap messages securely |
| 16:39.04 | djura-san | themill: no. I have no aptitude |
| 16:39.14 | stew | sheepz: seeing as suport for 3.1 ended in 2008, you should consider upgrading to 4.0 then to 5.0 |
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| 16:39.25 | djura-san | themill: i have only aptitude-curses :\ |
| 16:39.47 | fxiny | try dselect then ;P |
| 16:39.53 | sheepz | well, I do not want to do anything with it, the thing is that it keeps crashing |
| 16:40.02 | themill | djura-san: hmm... can you download the package for linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 using wget or similar and then install it using dpkg -i? |
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| 16:40.14 | sheepz | I cannot upgrade it due it being custom built |
| 16:40.16 | djura-san | themill: i can try |
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| 16:40.18 | djura-san | ;) |
| 16:40.47 | sheepz | anyways, how do I go about diagnosing system crashes? :P |
| 16:41.04 | sheepz | which log files etc? |
| 16:41.09 | fxiny | check kern.log first |
| 16:41.38 | djura-san | can someone provide me a direct link to that kernel? I flushed my apt cache :| |
| 16:41.48 | djura-san | (im such poor linux user these days :'( ) |
| 16:42.05 | djura-san | i386 32bit one |
| 16:42.31 | sheepz | hmm, no such file (kern.log) |
| 16:42.45 | sheepz | at least in /var/log |
| 16:43.01 | stew | sheepz: the entire machine is crashing, or some just programs? |
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| 16:43.11 | sheepz | stew, entire machine |
| 16:43.20 | sheepz | can't access it via ssh etc |
| 16:43.29 | stew | sheepz: try memtest86 to see if you have faulty RAM |
| 16:43.30 | sheepz | cannot use it's apache proxy to send soap messages |
| 16:43.38 | sheepz | already tried that |
| 16:43.50 | sheepz | it's actually in a VM |
| 16:43.53 | sheepz | memtest is fine |
| 16:44.10 | stew | sheepz: is it overheating? |
| 16:44.10 | themill | djura-san: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-2.6.32-5-686_2.6.32-20_i386.deb |
| 16:44.18 | stew | sheepz: do you actually put that thing on the internet? |
| 16:44.23 | djura-san | themill: thank you |
| 16:44.32 | sheepz | stew, what do you mean? |
| 16:44.54 | stew | sheepz: i mean, its full of known security vulnerabilities, since its running on such old, unpatched, unsupported software |
| 16:45.18 | sheepz | well, it's none of my doing, it is a standard used by our government :P |
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| 16:46.00 | sheepz | perhaps the vulnerabilities are patched? i dunno |
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| 16:46.23 | sheepz | basically I'd love to have it no crash on me every few hours |
| 16:46.32 | sheepz | atm I'm using a crontab to restart it |
| 16:46.36 | sheepz | if it appears down |
| 16:46.41 | sheepz | cron job* |
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| 16:50.14 | Rayon-3 | Hi, I configured debian server as explained in "The Perfect Server - Debian Lenny (Debian 5.0) [ISPConfig 3]". But I am not able to send and receive mails using webmail. Please help me solve this problem |
| 16:50.44 | SlayerXP | Rayon-3: first, can you send emails not using webmail? |
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| 16:51.21 | fxiny | that's good , new users , good yeahh |
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| 16:52.11 | djura-san | themill: i need linux-base package now... Can i use "force-all" in dpkg to install this kernel or what? |
| 16:52.15 | Rayon-3 | SlayerXP: I tried directly sending and receiving mail on server itself by logining in different userid. But i could not receive any of the mails sent. |
| 16:52.28 | SlayerXP | Rayon-3: you'll want to fix that problem first. |
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| 16:52.57 | BLZbubba | ok what is the difference between how ping does dns, and how telnet&ssh do it? |
| 16:53.03 | Rayon-3 | SlayerXP: Where to start fixing the problem ? |
| 16:53.07 | BLZbubba | ping is instant, the other 2 take about 5 seconds |
| 16:53.20 | SlayerXP | Rayon-3: what have you done so far to try to diagnose the problem? |
| 16:53.26 | themill | djura-san: gah... no, you should install linux-base too http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-base_2.6.32-20_all.deb |
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| 16:54.07 | Rayon-3 | SlayerXP: I just tried by sending mail from different user IDs. |
| 16:54.13 | themill | djura-san: hopefully there won't be any others you need. Actually, you could probably just use apt-get to download all of these for you. |
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| 16:54.30 | SlayerXP | Rayon-3: and what did the logs say? |
| 16:54.45 | djura-san | themill: okay i will do as you say... Thank you for assistance so far :) |
| 16:55.06 | compgenius999 | hey guys, I'm trying to set up openoffice and gnome-games on a computer without internet, and I have to transfer every package via a flash drive |
| 16:55.07 | Rayon-3 | logs ?? where they will be located ? |
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| 16:55.39 | SlayerXP | Rayon-3: essentially, you've no idea what you're doing, and you know nothing about mail servers. correct? |
| 16:55.45 | compgenius999 | would there be an easy way to get all dependancies automatically so I can install them all without having to go back and forth? |
| 16:55.53 | stew | compgenius999: the apt-zip package will write a script for you to run on another machine |
| 16:56.00 | fxiny | BLZbubba: what are you using to monitor dns requests ? dnstop ? |
| 16:56.05 | compgenius999 | stew: I'm on a windows PC at the moment |
| 16:56.13 | compgenius999 | so I'm not sure |
| 16:56.17 | Rayon-3 | Yes. I am using debian desktop. But never tried to use a server. |
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| 16:56.36 | SlayerXP | Rayon-3: fair enough. here a howto I wrote that'll get you started: http://hinterlands.org/wiki/index.php/DebianEximDovecotSquirrelmailSieve |
| 16:56.45 | SlayerXP | here's |
| 16:57.06 | djura-san | themill: and now i need libuuid-perl... gah |
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| 16:57.46 | themill | djura-san: fun! |
| 16:57.48 | compgenius999 | stew: so if I'm on a windows PC at the moment, I won't be able to run the script without cygwin |
| 16:58.14 | djura-san | themill: yay... :| |
| 16:58.15 | stew | compgenius999: apt-get --print-uris -y install openoffice.org gnome-games |
| 16:58.36 | stew | compgenius999: (which is how apt-zip is fetching the uris to create a script from) |
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| 16:59.05 | Rayon-3 | SlayerXP: I will go through the document. Anything else you want to suggest me. I want to learn to configure debian mail, database, web server which i can use in my office. |
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| 16:59.37 | SlayerXP | Rayon-3: be sensible, do read READMEs, google is your friend. |
| 17:00.11 | Rayon-3 | SlayerXP: Thanks a lot :-) |
| 17:01.10 | djura-san | themill: now it's the time to give up and dl netinstall image for testing right? |
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| 17:01.34 | themill | djura-san: no no... it shouldn't be that hard to work through this |
| 17:01.37 | compgenius999 | stew, no url's were displayed |
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| 17:02.09 | compgenius999 | I take it that I need to update the package list, and how would I do that via a USB flash drive? |
| 17:02.34 | djura-san | themill: okay, can you help me with this then: how to print out uris only in apt-get so that i can solve deppendencies manually? That way i can leave you for a while :) |
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| 17:03.21 | compgenius999 | stew? |
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| 17:03.53 | themill | djura-san: "apt-get install -d packagename" will download it to /var/cache/apt/archives for you |
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| 17:04.11 | djura-san | ah yes... i totally forgot about that one |
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| 17:05.15 | djura-san | wait, there should be an option to download only files without that "install" argument since my apt is in mess atm |
| 17:05.18 | djura-san | ? |
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| 17:06.19 | themill | djura-san: aptitude has that option, but not apt-get |
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| 17:06.33 | djura-san | i see :| |
| 17:06.34 | themill | djura-san: you can just use --print-uris with wget, however. |
| 17:06.34 | BLZbubba | ah interesting, something was caching the old resolv.conf file's search domains |
| 17:06.41 | BLZbubba | how annoying |
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| 17:06.56 | Justin | or just use debget |
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| 17:07.55 | Rayon-3 | SlayerXP: I started reading the document. If I get any doubts or problems while configuring mail server, can I contact you through mails ?? |
| 17:08.37 | SlayerXP | Rayon-3: you can, though I cannot promise to reply in any kind of timely manner |
| 17:08.45 | djura-san | themill: how ? Im hearing about that for the first time :\ |
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| 17:09.19 | Rayon-3 | SlayerXP: It is okay. I too am not in urgent. Can i know your mail ID ? |
| 17:09.28 | stew | compgenius999: i don't know then. what did it output? |
| 17:10.00 | themill | djura-san: apt-get --print-uris install package |
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| 17:10.18 | themill | djura-san: or, if you have the debian-goodies package installed, use debget as Justin said |
| 17:11.38 | Rayon-3 | SlayerXP: my mail ID is sandeepkumar.malur@gmail.com. Please send me a test mail. Thanks. Bye |
| 17:11.39 | djura-san | themill: okay i will try that... I have to go to my training now but when i get back i will continue with this super dooper fun :> |
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| 17:13.02 | fxiny | fun ? that's a nightmare , i had fun following the upgrade procedure |
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| 17:13.49 | simonrvn | Rayon-3: shouldn't post your email like that. this channel is logged, and you don't know that there could be a spam bot the ops don't know about lurking and logging. |
| 17:14.09 | sheepz | should "Linux 3" get me to runlevel 3 with a bash prompt? |
| 17:14.13 | jordanm | themill: thanks for mentioning that package, popbugs looks interesting |
| 17:14.18 | sheepz | in Lilo |
| 17:14.22 | fxiny | the fun started when innserv detected some old packages i completely forgot :P |
| 17:14.47 | simonrvn | sheepz: no. wth do you want rc 3? |
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| 17:15.11 | Rayon-3 | SlayerXP: I just learned to use IRC chatting. |
| 17:16.00 | sheepz | simonrvn: according to my distorted understanding, this is the way to stop X from loading on boot |
| 17:16.01 | simonrvn | sheepz: #fedora is that --> way |
| 17:16.13 | sheepz | it's not fedora |
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| 17:16.15 | Rayon-3 | SlayerXP:The document is simple to understand and interesting. |
| 17:16.31 | simonrvn | boot to single, rm the rc2.d link for *dm or /msg dpkg nodm |
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| 17:17.01 | jordanm | simonrvn: hes running sarge... |
| 17:17.37 | jordanm | sheepz: I missed you reply on the version you were using. 3.1 has not been supported in a long time |
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| 17:18.15 | sheepz | i dunno why they would use deprecated stuff |
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| 17:18.43 | Justin | !+nodm |
| 17:18.43 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm slim". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console. |
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| 17:19.07 | lindsaymobil22 | hey, i am a fedora user, i am considering debian 6 with kde 4.5, i cant get the debian 6 dvd downloaded, there are no seeders on the torrent link |
| 17:19.28 | sheepz | Justin, was that aimed at me? |
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| 17:19.52 | simonrvn | jordanm: shouldn't matter :P |
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| 17:19.53 | stew | lindsaymobil22: is the machine you are going to be installing on going to be on the network for the install? |
| 17:20.02 | lindsaymobil22 | stew, no, a laptp |
| 17:20.05 | lindsaymobil22 | my laptop* |
| 17:20.16 | lindsaymobil22 | for home, internet and media use |
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| 17:20.32 | stew | lindsaymobil22: but you can't get it onto the internet to use a netinst installer? |
| 17:21.03 | sheepz | simonrvn: http://www.brunolinux.com/10-General_Info/Booting_in_Runlevel_3.html |
| 17:21.05 | lindsaymobil22 | stew, i cant get the debian squeeze iso downloaded!! |
| 17:21.13 | lindsaymobil22 | through bittorrent |
| 17:21.26 | tjader | lindsaymobil22: try http instead? |
| 17:21.40 | lindsaymobil22 | stew, i dont want to use netinstalls, Arch netinstall is a pain |
| 17:21.42 | stew | lindsaymobil22: if you download a DVD you are going to download tons of stuff you won't use. I'd recommend using a netinst, which will only cause you to download stuff you need |
| 17:22.09 | madi | lindsaymobil22, you're right, it has no peers, try to get it by http link |
| 17:22.15 | stew | lindsaymobil22: i'm not suprized that people don't seed the testing installers, since they change so frequently |
| 17:22.24 | lindsaymobil22 | stew, i can just remove that crap, either ill use debian or a ubuntu minimal install |
| 17:22.26 | fxiny | sheepz: that "thing" is a mess . what to you mean by "governement" ? |
| 17:22.59 | simonrvn | sheepz: debian doesn't operate that way |
| 17:23.03 | stew | lindsaymobil22: i'm not talking about it installing stuff you don't need, I mean that that downloading the dvd means you'll be downloading stuff you'll never install anyway |
| 17:23.33 | lindsaymobil22 | stew, o well, im not really bothered by that, i can remove after the install if i choose to install debian |
| 17:23.38 | sheepz | fxiny: did I spell it wrong? |
| 17:23.41 | stew | lindsaymobil22: ok |
| 17:23.42 | sheepz | :D |
| 17:23.49 | lindsaymobil22 | although can i use YUM/RPM on debian? |
| 17:23.51 | sheepz | pretty sure i used government |
| 17:24.06 | simonrvn | lindsaymobil22: why? |
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| 17:24.24 | lindsaymobil22 | simonrvn, why what? about yum/rpm? |
| 17:24.28 | stew | lindsaymobil22: there should not be a reason to do that |
| 17:24.52 | lindsaymobil22 | i prefer yum/rpm a lot compared to deb/dpkg/apt |
| 17:25.00 | Iridos | lindsaymobil22, it is possible, but not usually a good idea |
| 17:25.07 | compgenius999 | stew: it only told me what dependencies it needed, no URI's probably because I still need to update the package list |
| 17:25.33 | stew | lindsaymobil22: then you should stick to a rpm based distro |
| 17:25.37 | fxiny | sheepz: right , so why don't you explain the situation to your governement suggesting to hire professional qualified debian admin to sort that mess out ? |
| 17:25.41 | lindsaymobil22 | Iridos, lol i am able to use apt/rpm on fedora |
| 17:25.43 | Iridos | lindsaymobil22, i.e. if you use rpms a lot, what you will have is not Debian, but something else |
| 17:26.05 | Iridos | lindsaymobil22, then you should probably stay with that, as stew said |
| 17:26.10 | lindsaymobil22 | stew, i like how debian can be configured |
| 17:26.19 | sheepz | fxiny: I have contacted the support for this "awesome" distribution |
| 17:26.23 | lindsaymobil22 | well im still thinking, thanks for the help! |
| 17:26.26 | stew | lindsaymobil22: then you want to get used to using aptitude/apt/dpkg |
| 17:26.27 | Iridos | lindsaymobil22, using rpm/yum under debian will be similar to using apt under fedora |
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| 17:26.37 | sheepz | they said that they have had no prior knowledge related to crashing |
| 17:26.42 | CodeNinja | whats the difference between kernel 2.6-686 and 2.6.26-2-686 ? |
| 17:26.44 | Iridos | stew, I don't think he understood what we were saying... |
| 17:26.57 | sheepz | reports* |
| 17:27.18 | stew | CodeNinja: 2.6-686 is a meta-package that just depends on whatever the current version is such as 2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 17:27.39 | Iridos | perhaps a simple "no" would have been the more useful answer for him, even if it's not 100% true (it'd been true for what he had been thinking) |
| 17:27.42 | fxiny | sheepz: if they won't listen to you someone else can explain the danger of running such an old system and the benefits or upgrading . i'm sure such a suggestion will be good even forfor you |
| 17:27.58 | compgenius999 | stew: so, do I need to update the package list somehow before I can --print-uris? |
| 17:28.07 | sheepz | fxiny: I'm beginning to understadn this myself |
| 17:28.22 | stew | compgenius999: you might as well. but I don't believe that is your problem |
| 17:28.29 | fxiny | sheepz: that's ok :) |
| 17:29.40 | compgenius999 | stew: I managed to get openoffice to work, but gnome-games wants new python and gconf2, and a few other dependencies |
| 17:29.49 | sheepz | it's kind of worring to see that the whole the national data exchange is carried out by such deprecated stuff |
| 17:30.03 | sheepz | of* |
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| 17:39.11 | thewanderer1 | what is /var/log/faillog? |
| 17:40.13 | thewanderer1 | ah, nothing important daemon-wise... |
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| 17:48.37 | ewet | hi, I want to rip a mixed mode cd preferingly with dd or another cli tool. dd if=/dev/cdrom of=test.iso will give me an i/o error. is there anything I can read? |
| 17:49.25 | jordanm | sounds like there is a problem reading the cd |
| 17:49.40 | Justin | ewet: cdrdao? |
| 17:49.42 | peterrooney | ewet: isn't /dev/cdrom usually a symlink ? |
| 17:49.53 | jordanm | peterrooney: yes |
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| 17:51.30 | ewet | peterrooney, hmm.. the other (simple data) cdrom worked.. anyways /dev/sr0 gives me the same error |
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| 17:52.11 | ewet | Justin, cdrdao look like the tool I'm looking for |
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| 17:56.12 | jhutchins_lt | ewet: Would this DVD perhaps be coprighted material protected by DRM? |
| 17:57.45 | ewet | jhutchins_lt, noone would ever do that! |
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| 17:59.05 | simonrvn | fsvo 'protected' |
| 17:59.17 | jhutchins_lt | I believe one also gets i/o errors when trying to read regionalized content with a DVD that has been set to a different region. |
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| 18:00.32 | Iridos | well... a deadjusted laser will also give you i/o errors... |
| 18:00.46 | ewet | well cdrdao works quite well right now, thanks :) |
| 18:00.50 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: I know about some I/O errors due to 'super patented copy protection techniques' actually relying on creating and skipping disk errors, but I have never heard about region setting in a DVD drive... O.o |
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| 18:01.29 | Iridos | thewanderer1, what a happy state you have been in, then |
| 18:01.35 | Iridos | thewanderer1, try to preserve it! |
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| 18:02.03 | jordanm | thewanderer1: has anyone actually done that since the 5.25" floppy era? |
| 18:02.19 | thewanderer1 | Iridos: I mean, DVD drive device itself, not software... |
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| 18:03.28 | thewanderer1 | jordanm: at least several companies, it used to be the case... hence the much-advertised CD rippers for Windows trying to work around that |
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| 18:04.45 | jordanm | thewanderer1: I hadn't seen it outside of my c128 |
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| 18:05.20 | visof | c |
| 18:05.20 | iman | how can i conenct to yahoo messenger with terminal ? |
| 18:05.22 | visof | hello |
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| 18:06.22 | thewanderer1 | iman: if Pidgin supports it, you should try finch - it supports whatever pidgin supports |
| 18:06.36 | visof | 2iman there is package that called centericq |
| 18:06.40 | visof | iman |
| 18:06.41 | jordanm | you will need the version for backports however |
| 18:07.05 | iman | thewanderer1, i dont like GUI :D |
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| 18:08.09 | thewanderer1 | if you call finch a GUI, I hereby pronounce bash a bloated user interface :P |
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| 18:08.20 | visof | i'm using DHCP on my network but if i lost the connection for any reason , i restart my machine to get the connection again , how can i refresh it automatically without restarting ? |
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| 18:09.26 | thewanderer1 | visof: ifdown -a && ifup -a # is the easiest and not the most elegant |
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| 18:09.55 | thewanderer1 | unless you're not using interfaces file for managing your connection |
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| 18:11.29 | jhutchins_lt | visof: kill & restart dhclient |
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| 18:12.29 | thewanderer1 | I have virtualbox-ose-dkms installed but `modprobe vboxdrv` returns module not found... how to debug that or at least get it to generate a module? |
| 18:13.00 | Infin1ty | I installed debian on ext4 using the kmuto cd, it's seems as there's a problem with the initramfs-tools, it's not probing ext4 as a rootfs, it's something to do with fstype and not using vol_id, so far i added rootfstype=ext4 to the boot options of the kernel, i wonder if it's ok to do this or i should hack the initramfs script? |
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| 18:13.41 | thewanderer1 | Infin1ty: if you're on lenny, then it is possible that the default initramfs does not support detecting ext4 properly |
| 18:14.06 | Infin1ty | thewanderer1, yes i know, i'm on lenny, so my best option is just to add rootfstype=ext4 to grub? and not hack the initramfstools to use vol_id? |
| 18:14.40 | inthl | using top a process shows for example, 5% MEM usage, and RES 500MB, so this means that 500MB of RAM are in use for that process, true? |
| 18:14.45 | jhutchins_lt | visof: I believe you can also cause the client to release a lease and exit wth the -r flag. |
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| 18:16.07 | thewanderer1 | Infin1ty: yes, I think so, until Squeeze gets released... or just update initramfs scripts with changes from squeeze if you know how to do that safely |
| 18:16.23 | Infin1ty | thewanderer1, i'll go on the safe side it works |
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| 18:18.55 | iman | i want to know where is path ? |
| 18:19.03 | iman | $PATH |
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| 18:19.19 | Bushmills | you just found it |
| 18:19.40 | iman | /usr/local/bin ? |
| 18:19.54 | tjader | iman: what do you mean "where is path"? |
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| 18:20.18 | tjader | Do you wanna see what's in the $PATH variable? |
| 18:20.32 | iman | tjader, yes |
| 18:20.38 | jordanm | iman: echo "$PATH" |
| 18:20.39 | iman | tjader, path varibale |
| 18:20.59 | tjader | iman: what jordanm said |
| 18:21.16 | iman | tjader, can i alter it with gedit ? |
| 18:21.36 | tjader | iman: no |
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| 18:21.43 | tjader | export PATH=newvalue |
| 18:21.50 | jordanm | iman: I think you are badly in need of reading some shell basics |
| 18:22.00 | tjader | if you want it to stick you have to put it in .bashrc |
| 18:22.08 | jordanm | iman: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide |
| 18:22.14 | iman | tjader, yes, thank you |
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| 18:23.51 | fxiny | iman: bitlbee |
| 18:24.12 | iman | fxiny, thanks , |
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| 18:28.54 | iman | when i type e in and enter tab, then i faced eclipse app, but i want change that eclipse directory, i cant find it intori .bashrc, how can i chage it ? |
| 18:29.29 | iman | or how can i delte that directory ? |
| 18:29.46 | Justin | iman: what? |
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| 18:32.20 | iman | for what i get this error ?bash: ./eclipse: Permission denied -- i login with root user |
| 18:32.22 | marko_ | can somebody tell me on which channel I can ask for help about IPsec in Linux kernel? I've questions about adding policies to SPD |
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| 18:40.45 | Iridos | marko_, dunno, perhaps the output of /msg alis list *secur* can be of service? |
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| 18:55.31 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 18:55.31 | dpkg | <morning> telnet have any recent vulns? |
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| 18:58.12 | ram0 | Hello, is there a switch to available package managers to 'just download' packages with broken dependencies? |
| 18:58.54 | jordanm | ram0: aptitude download |
| 18:59.58 | ram0 | jordanm: Oo.. I missed that, thanks. |
| 19:00.05 | urbanmonk | hi i'd like to setup an easy vpn that I can connect to with my iPhone ... it would be nice to integrate with my ldap server as well ... any recommendations? |
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| 19:01.27 | SlayerXP | urbanmonk: I wrote a howto that'll get you started |
| 19:01.46 | SlayerXP | urbanmonk: http://hinterlands.org/wiki/index.php/OpenVPNQuickstart |
| 19:02.19 | urbanmonk | is openvpn supported on the iphone? |
| 19:02.39 | urbanmonk | i only see three options .. pptp, ipsec, and l2tp |
| 19:02.52 | urbanmonk | i thought openvpn was another protocol altogether |
| 19:02.52 | sheepz | where can I see which programs are started at boot besidees the symlinks rc5.d? |
| 19:02.53 | abrotman | does openvpn support any of those mechanisms ? |
| 19:02.57 | sheepz | in* |
| 19:03.01 | abrotman | sheepz: i think you mean rc2.d |
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| 19:03.13 | sheepz | really? |
| 19:03.22 | abrotman | yes, this is not RedHat |
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| 19:14.05 | thewanderer1 | I've got OpenLDAP server running, but it is producing random results - sometimes I can authenticate, but sometimes daemons and user apps (namely: postfix, dovecot, roundcube) sometimes fail to talk to LDAP... |
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| 19:14.54 | thewanderer1 | on POP3 I'm getting this: -ERR Temporary authentication failure. |
| 19:15.38 | jordanm | thewanderer1: I recall you asking about this yesterday. if you find that people on IRC either don't know or don't care, try the mailing list |
| 19:15.51 | jordanm | ah, no, you were asking about switching from ldap to mysql |
| 19:15.56 | thewanderer1 | yeah... |
| 19:16.41 | jhutchins_lt | sheepz: There are several init management tools that will show you, but Debian doesn't meaningfully use the runlevels. |
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| 19:17.24 | jhutchins_lt | sheepz: It defaults to 2, which has the GUI enabled if installed. |
| 19:17.40 | jhutchins_lt | sheepz: If you want something usefull like RH does you have to set it up yourself. |
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| 19:18.30 | thewanderer1 | nothing appears in slapd's debug log when I try to authenticate with dovecot (POP3), as if it wasn't connecting at all |
| 19:19.16 | thewanderer1 | LDAP: ldap_result() failed: Can't contact LDAP server -- this is what dovecot log is saying |
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| 19:20.24 | mamurdian | hiho ;) |
| 19:22.30 | jordanm | thewanderer1: tcpdump |
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| 19:23.51 | rempadem | hi all |
| 19:24.22 | rempadem | does soembody have expirience with log correlation? |
| 19:24.37 | jordanm | !anyone |
| 19:24.37 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 19:24.48 | rempadem | :) |
| 19:24.55 | rempadem | any expirience with SEC |
| 19:25.02 | rempadem | simple event correlation |
| 19:25.11 | rempadem | or similiar software? |
| 19:25.31 | thewanderer1 | you're hiring? :P |
| 19:25.32 | moldovean | rempadem, ok, ask a real question |
| 19:25.55 | jordanm | thewanderer1: I saw it first! |
| 19:26.35 | rempadem | i have large log files with lots of lines and want to feed relevant log informations and based on the result react on it (emai, sylog entry, ...) |
| 19:26.54 | rempadem | any recommendations? which software would you suggest |
| 19:26.58 | thewanderer1 | logwatch |
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| 19:27.26 | thewanderer1 | and perhaps implement a finite state machine on that if you want context matching or anything fancy :P |
| 19:27.40 | visof | when i was in ubuntu when i close my laptop , it was sleeping , in Debian i can't do that |
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| 19:27.52 | visof | how can i make it sleep when i close it ? |
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| 19:28.03 | rempadem | it should support regular expressions |
| 19:28.07 | jordanm | visof: depends on what you are using for power management |
| 19:28.23 | thewanderer1 | visof: GNOME? right-click the power manager icon in notification area and choose preferences, then configure that |
| 19:28.25 | jordanm | visof: that is all configurable in xfce4-power-manager settings for example |
| 19:28.32 | rempadem | iam searching for alternatives to http://simple-evcorr.sourceforge.net |
| 19:28.38 | visof | jordanm: so how can i do that ? |
| 19:28.48 | jelly-home | visof: is the package acpi-support installed? Which (if any) desktop environment are you using? |
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| 19:28.50 | jordanm | rempadem: why an alternative? |
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| 19:29.09 | jordanm | rempadem: that appears to be packaged and ready for debian usage |
| 19:29.09 | rempadem | just asking :) so is it the non plus ultra soltuion? :) |
| 19:29.09 | Dossy | Hi - can someone answer a question about dh_shlibdeps? |
| 19:29.27 | rempadem | just searching for the best solution |
| 19:29.46 | Dossy | If I want the Depends: in the control to be: tcl (>= 8.4) | tcl8.5 (>= 8.5.0) ... dh_shlibdeps only sets shlibs:Depends to tcl8.5 (>= 8.5.0) |
| 19:29.48 | rempadem | so you think its the best? |
| 19:29.51 | thewanderer1 | rempadem: well, this tool seems to implement statefullness for you already, and there doesn't seem to be more of such tools |
| 19:30.01 | rempadem | ok |
| 19:30.08 | thewanderer1 | I have never used it, but judging from the description, if you need stateful matches, this is your tool |
| 19:30.13 | rempadem | just wanted to hear somebody else opinion |
| 19:30.33 | rempadem | ok thx! |
| 19:30.42 | Dossy | Or, is there a better channel for me to ask debian package building quetsions in? |
| 19:30.52 | stew | Dossy: #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org |
| 19:30.58 | Dossy | Ah, thanks, stew. |
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| 19:31.35 | stew | Dossy: note that the tcl package doesn't actually contain tcl, its just a dependency on the tcl8.5 package |
| 19:31.45 | Dossy | stew: AH! |
| 19:32.07 | Dossy | No, tcl depends on tcl8.4 |
| 19:32.10 | rempadem | thx a lot thewandere & jordanm |
| 19:32.37 | wooden | What's the most up-to-date hardware compatibility list for Debian? I'm looking to build a gaming box, and would like it to be able to do S3 suspend. >< |
| 19:32.50 | jordanm | !hcl |
| 19:32.50 | dpkg | [hcl] Hardware Compatibility Lists are at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatdb/lists/hardware_linux.html to see what's supported by the Linux kernel, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ (PCI verification only), http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/, or ask me about <modinfo pci alias>, <judd-hardware>. |
| 19:33.00 | stew | Dossy: one of the other, but the point is that dh_shlibdeps seems to be doing the right thing here |
| 19:33.26 | amanita_ | Do you know any thinner desktop than XFCE but equally fine look & feel? |
| 19:34.04 | jordanm | amanita_: lxde perhaps, but it gets no better than xfce4 :) |
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| 19:37.19 | rempadem | thx everybody. cya |
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| 19:38.13 | thewanderer1 | well I've used LXDE as my main desktop environment and it can replace XFCE, I would say |
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| 19:42.24 | jordanm | uses xfce as his main desktop |
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| 19:42.44 | jordanm | which correctly, is "Xfce", not "XFCE" |
| 19:42.56 | jordanm | can't remember where he read that |
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| 19:43.55 | amanita_ | jordanm: all I need is desktop icons, copy files to desktop, and some kind of visual representation of running apps |
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| 19:53.12 | ReadPlease | jeeze, you guys let me log in as root. that's messed up. |
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| 19:55.10 | ReadPlease | :P |
| 19:55.21 | ReadPlease | Just felt like saying that b/c i was bored. Alright, bye. |
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| 19:55.55 | stew | ? |
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| 19:57.23 | cahoot | irc as a vehicle for graffiti? |
| 19:57.50 | Empis | where do i see my NTFS volumes in debian? just installed from Win2k3 |
| 19:58.16 | jordanm | from win2k3? |
| 19:58.43 | Empis | eairler ran win2k3 |
| 19:59.03 | Empis | now a fresh install of debian, but my other disks still got NTFS |
| 19:59.03 | jordanm | Empis: fdisk -l as root |
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| 20:00.34 | Empis | jordanm: thx |
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| 20:16.18 | edgardoweb | hi |
| 20:16.28 | edgardoweb | how are yourÅ |
| 20:16.35 | jelly-home | Å? |
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| 20:17.07 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: as in "GÄÅlÄ
jaźÅ" :P |
| 20:17.45 | foetus | $:P |
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| 20:18.17 | foetus | sorry. |
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| 20:19.11 | edgardoweb | jelly-home, spanish |
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| 20:20.14 | jelly-home | ! |
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| 20:20.56 | tharkun | What is the forgot mysql root password factoid ? |
| 20:21.33 | inthl | ps returns the time a process is running in min:sec, or by format, is it possible somehow to express it in seconds only, but not just 0-59 but as total? |
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| 20:22.15 | area51pilot | anyone know how to register on FREENODE with Konversation irc |
| 20:22.24 | thewanderer1 | !i forgot mysql root password |
| 20:22.25 | dpkg | If you've forgotten the <MySQL> root password, /etc/init.d/mysql stop; mysqld --skip-grant-tables; mysql -u root; use mysql; UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('mynewpassword') WHERE User='root'; FLUSH PRIVILEGES; C-d; stop mysqld; /etc/init.d/mysql start, or http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/resetting-permissions.html, or <mysql initial password> |
| 20:22.25 | jelly-home | !forgot mysql root password |
| 20:22.46 | jelly-home | tharkun: a mayzingly hard to figure out! |
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| 20:23.01 | thewanderer1 | ioctl32(mount:16014): Unknown cmd fd(3) cmd(801c0204){t:02;sz:28} arg(bfce1d5c) on / -- just what is my kernel giving me? |
| 20:23.49 | tharkun | jelly-home: I though it was the acronym thx anywas |
| 20:23.50 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: "sorry, this 32bit compatibility feature isn't quite implemented yet, or we're too buggy to interpret it properly" |
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| 20:23.59 | jelly-home | tharkun: it's both |
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| 20:24.34 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: hm, yeah, but this is a stock kernel... |
| 20:24.38 | tharkun | jelly-home: You don't want to know what dpkg told me now for isuing fmrp |
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| 20:25.35 | Joan | hi all |
| 20:26.03 | Joan | For do this desktop folders what I need? |
| 20:26.06 | Joan | http://liliumcruentus.deviantart.com/art/yellow-raven-174339071?q=boost:popular+in:customization/screenshots/nix+max_age:744h&qo=17 |
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| 20:26.56 | jelly-home | tharkun: fixed |
| 20:27.10 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: therefore it cannot be buggy? :-D |
| 20:27.13 | tharkun | jelly-home: thx |
| 20:27.23 | thewanderer1 | eh :P |
| 20:27.37 | foetus | lenny-server is runnin.. but i don't wonna pay compliments, difficult to configure, however.. |
| 20:27.43 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: don't be lazy, use 64bit mount on 64bit systems? |
| 20:27.55 | jelly-home | dunno |
| 20:28.15 | foetus | but great development. |
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| 20:29.54 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: but it's a 32-bit container... O.o |
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| 20:30.17 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: sucks to be in a container! |
| 20:30.40 | thewanderer1 | yes, so cramped in here |
| 20:30.55 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: it's possible it's a container-specific bug, especially if the kernel needed patching |
| 20:30.59 | foetus | its like a dovecot system now.. |
| 20:31.02 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: "file a bug report" |
| 20:31.17 | foetus | :-D |
| 20:31.43 | thewanderer1 | container-specific bug? er. I got this kernel from Debian packages... :P |
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| 20:32.48 | bkraptor | anyone having trouble updating lenny? |
| 20:33.03 | TMM | petemc, hi! I finally got my system in a state where I can muck about with it, but after starting the installation of debian sparc I get this : "Memory Address not Aligned" any idea? |
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| 20:34.54 | christoz | hello, i want to ssh with a linux system, but i don't want everytime to look for it's ext ip, how can i assign its ip with a name address for example christoz.dyndns.org ? |
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| 20:35.28 | christoz | and everytime that system logs in, to update automatically the address |
| 20:35.37 | thewanderer1 | christoz: ddclient |
| 20:35.56 | christoz | is this a debian packet? |
| 20:36.02 | christoz | package*sorry :P |
| 20:36.04 | thewanderer1 | yeah |
| 20:36.12 | thewanderer1 | christoz: of course if you don't have an external IP on any interface this will fail |
| 20:36.22 | thewanderer1 | so if you're behind a NAT router, run this on the router |
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| 20:36.31 | foetus | any suggestions to bring samba below a mark of 80-90% ? |
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| 20:36.43 | thewanderer1 | foetus: turn down the volume? |
| 20:37.00 | christoz | ok, i'll check this, maybe i need som help to configure it, thanks |
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| 20:37.20 | foetus | thewanderer1: :-X |
| 20:37.47 | thewanderer1 | foetus: so is it really eating 90% of your CPU? if so, htop could show some thread info |
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| 20:39.50 | foetus | thewanderer1: yes, its from this fabulous htop program :-[ but only one thread (copying 10700 Files at once) |
| 20:40.23 | foetus | thewanderer1: :) |
| 20:40.31 | thewanderer1 | foetus: so does it eat up 90% of your system's CPU or 90% of current CPU usage? |
| 20:40.44 | foetus | thewanderer1: current. |
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| 20:41.14 | foetus | thewanderer1: responsiveness is nice, btw |
| 20:41.33 | foetus | thewanderer1: but 90% ? |
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| 20:41.43 | thewanderer1 | so why worry about 90% CPU usage out of current usage? |
| 20:41.51 | thewanderer1 | what is your total CPU usage? |
| 20:42.00 | foetus | thewanderer1: client works nice..however |
| 20:42.25 | christoz | thewanderer1: hmm putty seems that doesn't like name addresses :( |
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| 20:43.21 | foetus | thewanderer1: same. its the only thread at this level at the moment |
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| 20:44.14 | foetus | thewanderer1: maybe i must reduce some recources.. |
| 20:44.34 | thewanderer1 | foetus: running LDAP with that? |
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| 20:45.30 | foetus | thewanderer1: no, fortunately not :) |
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| 20:46.01 | thewanderer1 | perhaps it's just doing user lookups like mad? :P |
| 20:46.19 | bkraptor | who can I contact regarding a malfunctioning mirror for debian? |
| 20:47.10 | foetus | thewanderer1: as i said - all is working fine, but cpu usage at such high level is awesome.. |
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| 20:47.38 | thewanderer1 | well, disk usage during I/O is inevitable, unless you find a way to shift that to hardware... |
| 20:47.48 | thewanderer1 | s/disk usage/CPU usage/ obviously |
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| 20:49.32 | foetus | disk usage is ridiculous.. small files |
| 20:49.48 | thewanderer1 | small files are CPU-intensive |
| 20:50.17 | thewanderer1 | guys, I have huge network packet losses in Debian running in OpenVZ container... this also seems to affect the host system, bringing it to 1s ping (normally about 20ms) |
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| 20:51.03 | foetus | thewanderer1: samba is configured to force root user to files on a ext3 partition - maybe this is the reason |
| 20:51.34 | christoz | when ddclient asks for interface which is used for using dynamic DNS service, it asks for its ip address? |
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| 20:51.41 | Knusi | hello |
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| 20:51.54 | Knusi | i'm trying to fix my server's network connection |
| 20:52.09 | Knusi | but i cant find the errors :o |
| 20:52.11 | thewanderer1 | foetus: force user will always have a performance impact, it seems |
| 20:52.21 | thewanderer1 | Knusi: hello, same here :P |
| 20:52.54 | Knusi | config is at http://picpaste.de/Bildschirmfoto_2010-09-01_um_22.50.21-YdUHb0vo.PNG (i only have access to a remote console, cant copy text), error is "SIOCADDRT: No such process" |
| 20:53.23 | foetus | i will leave it for the next few days as it is, i must read the docs. |
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| 20:54.00 | Knusi | maybe someone of you is able to tell me whats wrong here |
| 20:54.02 | stew | Knusi: what command gives you that error? |
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| 20:54.18 | Knusi | stew: /etc/init.d/networking restart, and also ifup eth0 |
| 20:55.18 | foetus | but - they are bulky.. |
| 20:55.56 | thewanderer1 | Knusi: this looks like a routing problem to me |
| 20:57.14 | thewanderer1 | Knusi: specifically, it seems that you are trying to add a non-local gateway here |
| 20:57.17 | Knusi | where is > on english keyboard? |
| 20:57.21 | foetus | sounds like a renaming interfaces problem to me.. |
| 20:57.47 | thewanderer1 | could also be what foetus says... O.o |
| 20:57.54 | AimHere | > is shift + '.' |
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| 20:58.10 | AimHere | That's two keys to the left of the right shift key |
| 20:58.25 | stew | is the problem declaring a gateway that you don't have a route to? |
| 20:58.51 | stew | no, i guess that's fine with the pointopoint |
| 20:59.04 | thewanderer1 | stew, look at IPv6 part |
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| 20:59.47 | thewanderer1 | I don't know how this pointopoint concerns IPv6, but it's possible it does not, I guess |
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| 21:00.10 | stew | oh |
| 21:00.15 | foetus | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:00.33 | foetus | Knusi: and reboot. |
| 21:00.33 | stew | Knusi: do you really want the ip -6 route command in pre-up and not post-up (aka up) |
| 21:00.53 | thewanderer1 | stew: good point |
| 21:01.27 | thewanderer1 | Knusi: does the tunnel work properly with he.net's command generator? |
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| 21:02.39 | Knusi | he.net? |
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| 21:02.52 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: some people have REAL ipv6 |
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| 21:03.10 | spikeb | jelly-home, lies |
| 21:03.15 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: pointopoint would imply the opposite... |
| 21:03.29 | thewanderer1 | Knusi: something made me think that this IP block is owned by he.net, sorry |
| 21:03.37 | Knusi | its hetzner |
| 21:04.42 | thewanderer1 | Knusi: see this, just skip the Xen part: http://wnagele.com/2010/07/13/ipv6-and-xen-on-a-hetzner-hosted-system/ |
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| 21:06.34 | tharkun | Is it possible to make grub 2 not use any splash screens, If so how ? |
| 21:07.00 | jelly-home | tharkun: take a look at /etc/default/grub |
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| 21:07.43 | tharkun | jelly-home: thx |
| 21:07.52 | jelly-home | tharkun: ah, and run update-grub afterwards to actually update the configuration |
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| 21:10.43 | foetus | btw, what is the suggested ftp-server for a lenny system at the moment - proftpd, glftpd, Pure-FTPd or vsftpd ? since the old SuSE-Days i used proftpd, but maybe there is a better choice this time.. |
| 21:10.50 | Knusi | i just used http://wiki.hetzner.de/index.php/Zusätzliche_IP-Adressen_Debian#IPv4_.2B_IPv6 to configure my interfaces file |
| 21:11.08 | Knusi | foetus: i prefer using proftpd |
| 21:11.30 | jelly-home | foetus: define better. vsftpd has less of a security history |
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| 21:14.05 | thewanderer1 | I run vsftpd and it just seems fine when |
| 21:14.11 | thewanderer1 | well, always :P |
| 21:14.44 | foetus | Knusi, jelly-home: will take a look of vsftpd. i have heard many things about.. interesting, definitely. |
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| 21:17.10 | swaj | foetus: how about skipping FTP and just using SFTP? :) |
| 21:18.01 | Knusi | anyways, how can i find out what's causing the problems? |
| 21:18.16 | foetus | swaj: this is a different topic.. |
| 21:18.52 | thewanderer1 | swaj: dpkg wants to tell you about that :P |
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| 21:21.41 | iman | can i change my mobile os to debian ? |
| 21:22.03 | iman | can i change my mobile os to debian ? |
| 21:22.11 | jhutchins_lt | iman: Depends. What hardware? |
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| 21:24.59 | jelly-home | iman: and keep all the mobile features running? |
| 21:25.02 | jelly-home | "no" |
| 21:25.37 | iman | sony ericson w810i |
| 21:26.30 | nate_h | how do I add a device after I modprobe the driver? THis is for a netowrk driver |
| 21:26.33 | nate_h | i can't reboot |
| 21:26.34 | nate_h | this is a live cd |
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| 21:27.12 | jhutchins_lt | nate_h: Does it show up in ifconfig? |
| 21:27.16 | nate_h | nope |
| 21:27.22 | nate_h | should it? |
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| 21:27.45 | jhutchins_lt | Check the output of dmesg then, doesn't sound like the driver found the hardware. Check lsmod to see if it's really loaded. |
| 21:28.15 | foetus | vsftpd comes along with a ridiculous configuration..don't know. have read the rhel docs. |
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| 21:31.28 | nate_h | fek |
| 21:31.31 | nate_h | the firmware isn't there |
| 21:31.51 | jhutchins_lt | !firmware |
| 21:31.51 | dpkg | Firmware (sometimes termed "microcode") is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel modules require firmware to be provided from userspace, prior to device operation, notably for <WiFi> devices. Ask me about <listkeys firmware> and <search> my factoids. Some firmware is available via Debian packages. See also http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware and <installer firmware>. |
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| 21:32.26 | nate_h | the firmware for the driver isn't in the initramfs or something, sigh |
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| 21:33.05 | jhutchins_lt | nate_h: Well, doesn't have to be in initramfs if you're loading it post-bot. |
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| 21:33.37 | yardleydobon | I'm working with a 16 bit image with a max value of 1023. GraphicsMagick modulusDepth() returns 8, but it should be returning 10. Is the quantum depth causing this? |
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| 21:34.00 | nate_h | ya true, its not somewhere... "can't load firmware file "bnx2/bnx2-mips-09-5.0.0.j3.fw |
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| 21:35.19 | foetus | ok. i use proftpd, the best choice imho.. |
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| 21:38.07 | foetus | lets close the client. |
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| 21:42.12 | Tridon343 | has anyone a good idea how to play -flv files? |
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| 21:42.43 | streuner | xine |
| 21:42.44 | nsadmin | mplayer? |
| 21:42.53 | Tridon343 | when I try to neither sound nor video plays but the vlc runs and video player notifies a internal streaming error |
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| 21:43.35 | thewanderer1 | Totem player works for me |
| 21:43.38 | jhutchins_lt | nate_h: SO right, check the bot's factoids and the wiki, grab the firmware deb or track it down. |
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| 21:43.48 | streuner | Tridon343: URL? |
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| 21:44.05 | jhutchins_lt | Tridon343: Install flashplayer? |
| 21:44.15 | thewanderer1 | what can I do to minimize VirtualBox'es CPU usage? |
| 21:44.15 | nate_h | jhutchins_lt, ya i guess i need to figure out how to add the firmware to the image |
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| 21:45.17 | Tridon343 | when I play those files via the browser eversthings fine, but I downloaded them. files can be played on windows without problems |
| 21:45.19 | jhutchins_lt | nate_h: Yeah, customize the CD. Doesn't have to be in initrd though. |
| 21:45.50 | jhutchins_lt | Tridon343: As nsadmin suggested, mplayer from dmm should work. |
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| 21:45.50 | thewanderer1 | Tridon343: convert them to Ogg Theora or so |
| 21:45.54 | nate_h | ya just need it in /lib/firmware/ i guess |
| 21:46.09 | thewanderer1 | for me, Totem player works without the multimedia packages, it seems |
| 21:46.43 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Are you sure? Clean install without any dmm repos? |
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| 21:46.56 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: mplayer might work too, haven't really checked. |
| 21:47.07 | nate_h | might give their ubuntu version a shot before i do the add |
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| 21:47.46 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: I admittedly have debian-multimedia listed here, but I see no way in which it would impact Totem - this is for ffmpeg and lame only... |
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| 21:48.23 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Could have pulled codecs from mm. |
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| 21:49.26 | lifeofguenter | anybody knows a small sendmail replacements thats supports interface binding? |
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| 21:56.45 | edju | Just installed squeeze and am trying to install the nvidia driver, but I need the kernel source. I have the default kernel - 2.6.32-trunk-686. What is the package name for the source? |
| 21:57.18 | thewanderer1 | edju: -trunk is an old and unsupported kernel, not in Squeeze anymore |
| 21:57.34 | thewanderer1 | edju: install linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 , and proceed from there |
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| 21:58.33 | edju | thewanderer1, Thanks. How did -trunk come in with the installation? |
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| 21:58.55 | thewanderer1 | edju: you're probably using an old install image |
| 21:59.55 | edju | thewanderer1, Strange - I just dwnloaded it this morning. Ah well - onward and upward. |
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| 22:00.59 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 22:01.01 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.35-trunk-686 (2.6.35-1~experimental.2); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-21); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-20); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-20~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-24lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
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| 22:01.21 | jhutchins_lt | Why looky there. 2.6.35-trunk-686 |
| 22:01.34 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: experimental?! |
| 22:01.34 | themill | jhutchins_lt: 32 != 35 |
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| 22:02.47 | jhutchins_lt | themill: however trunk = trunk. |
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| 22:04.14 | dagobart | hi, is there a package that provides a big digits texmode clock? So that I can use the display as a clock w/o any need for X? |
| 22:04.18 | themill | doesn't see the relevance to the conversation |
| 22:04.40 | jacekowski | dagobart: something based on aalib could do |
| 22:04.44 | jacekowski | or libcaca |
| 22:05.19 | dagobart | yes, but I guess that needs a lot rendering. Plain hard coded big digits would do as well |
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| 22:05.59 | jacekowski | no pain no gain |
| 22:06.10 | dagobart | I tried http://webonastick.com/vtclock/ but the makefile doesn't do |
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| 22:06.20 | thewanderer1 | dagobart: I'll get you a script in 1 minute |
| 22:06.38 | dagobart | thewanderer1: now you got me curious |
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| 22:07.24 | jhutchins_lt | dagobart: Possibly something in curses? |
| 22:07.35 | thewanderer1 | you need toilet package for this |
| 22:07.37 | thewanderer1 | watch -n 1 'bash -c "toilet $(date)"' |
| 22:07.40 | dagobart | jhutchins_lt: sure that would be ok |
| 22:07.42 | thewanderer1 | now customize your date format |
| 22:07.48 | dagobart | thewanderer1: oh that would be an idea |
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| 22:08.02 | thewanderer1 | this actually produces a nice clock :P |
| 22:08.14 | dagobart | didn't know about the toilet pck, but poster came to mind |
| 22:08.45 | jhutchins_lt | figlet |
| 22:09.05 | thewanderer1 | yes, it's an upgraded figlet... |
| 22:09.21 | jhutchins_lt | dagobart: Probably not poster. |
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| 22:09.34 | dagobart | I'll try toilet |
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| 22:10.33 | rom | hi .. i'm trying to setup a pptp vpn .. i'm able to connect but I'm trying to tunnel all my traffic through it and it's not working .. there seems to be two problems ... the first is that when I connect to the VPN i don't have any DNS servers (resolv.conf disappears) |
| 22:10.52 | thewanderer1 | you can also get nice results if you don't need by-second precision and replace 'watch' with 'while true; ... sleep 30; reset' and put 'toilet --gay' in there - that's your ultimate console clock |
| 22:10.55 | rom | the second problem is that I can't reach anything on the internet |
| 22:11.08 | dagobart | thewanderer1: huh, toilet looks quite cool... now, let's see how to blow up the font size |
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| 22:11.31 | rom | I can ping the the vpn server and I can ping the client from the server |
| 22:11.46 | theseb | Is chroot easiest/best way to put a wall between 2 sets of apps so it is like 2 separate computers? |
| 22:12.02 | rom | but forwarding doesn't seem to work ... i've checked /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward and it's set to 1 |
| 22:12.18 | thewanderer1 | theseb: no, it is not a way at all. |
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| 22:12.28 | thewanderer1 | theseb: breaking out of chroot is 10 lines of C code. |
| 22:12.36 | thewanderer1 | (as root) |
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| 22:12.47 | rom | and in iptables i have iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -s 192.168.0.0/24 -j SNAT --to <serverip> |
| 22:13.51 | dagobart | jhutchins_lt, thewanderer1: Hey thanks for the hints. I think that's going to work out. |
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| 22:14.56 | thewanderer1 | theseb: for separation you have OpenVZ, Linux-Vserver (not really as good in this matter as OpenVZ), then virtualization, being KVM (qemu), Xen and VirtualBox, finally FreeBSD jails with Debian running inside might be worth a look... |
| 22:15.30 | theseb | thewanderer1: thanks...i'm already in a XEN virtual machine...so a virtual virtual machine would be quite cool :) |
| 22:16.10 | jhutchins_lt | rom: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ |
| 22:16.38 | thewanderer1 | theseb: in this case, you might have luck with separation (OpenVZ, vserver, LXC?), but only if you manage to boot a kernel supporting this (I don't know much about Xen). anyway, chroot is a big no-no for separation :) |
| 22:16.44 | jhutchins_lt | theseb: Probably smarter to have two VM's on the host. |
| 22:17.09 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: containers inside full virt is nothing new, I've seen those in the wild :) |
| 22:17.14 | thewanderer1 | I'm off anyway |
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| 22:25.33 | jhutchins_lt | Well, yeah, and people run sid and gentoo unstable on production servers. |
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| 22:28.49 | dondelelcaro | you'd have to be pretty crazy to run sid in production |
| 22:29.10 | jhutchins_lt | dondelelcaro: Certainly, but I've seen it done. |
| 22:29.38 | jhutchins_lt | dondelelcaro: Admittedly, there was a point at which getting a production gentoo server to do anything useful required running unstable. |
| 22:29.43 | dondelelcaro | I've seen all kinds of stupid things in production... but... |
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| 22:30.06 | jhutchins_lt | dondelelcaro: Heck, some people run WINDOWS! |
| 22:30.33 | freebird2 | hello, I've 2 ide hd, I know the first one is hda1 but what about the second one ?? can't find it, how do I find the second hd ? |
| 22:31.06 | BlackFate | freebird2, fdisk -l |
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| 22:31.28 | zealiod | im using debian with blackbox, how can i get an sh script to run on start? |
| 22:31.31 | freebird2 | BlackFate, tks man |
| 22:31.38 | BlackFate | freebird2, np |
| 22:32.01 | amphi | zealiod: call it from your ~/.xsession |
| 22:32.15 | zealiod | amphi: that file does not exist |
| 22:32.27 | dondelelcaro | zealiod: create it |
| 22:32.28 | BlackFate | zealiod, crontab -e and add a line like this... @reboot sh script |
| 22:32.41 | freebird2 | BlackFate, man I get this, but can't mount it, how do I mount them ? I think this hd is partitioned |
| 22:32.45 | freebird2 | any ideas ? |
| 22:32.45 | dondelelcaro | (assuming you want it to run when you start your session, and not when you boot) |
| 22:32.57 | amphi | BlackFate: I think he means when he starts X |
| 22:33.07 | freebird2 | BlackFate, mount -t ntfs /dev/hdb2 /mnt/hdwin1 won't work |
| 22:33.11 | zealiod | yes, i meant when i started x |
| 22:33.24 | BlackFate | ah ok |
| 22:33.34 | BlackFate | freebird2, what do you get with this command? |
| 22:33.38 | zealiod | ok, does that .xsession file need any permissions other than r access by the user? |
| 22:33.47 | freebird2 | BlackFate, complains about the file sistem |
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| 22:35.02 | freebird2 | BlackFate, mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb5, |
| 22:35.02 | freebird2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:35.02 | freebird2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:35.02 | freebird2 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:35.20 | BlackFate | freebird2, install ntfsprogs |
| 22:35.21 | freebird2 | BlackFate, sorry, too many lines |
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| 22:35.36 | BlackFate | freebird2, and ntfs-3g |
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| 22:35.48 | BlackFate | freebird2, and after that mount it with ntfs-3g |
| 22:35.51 | xyan | zealiod: no special permission but the filename must have a capital X .. .Xsession |
| 22:35.58 | xyan | zealiod: see man Xsession |
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| 22:36.26 | jhutchins_lt | xyan: Hah. I know somebody who struggled for DAYS with that. |
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| 22:38.56 | foetus | apache is starting too many threads, difficult to configure. |
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| 22:39.28 | xyan | jhutchins_lt: :) reading man Xsession states .xsession is possible too though.. surprise i thought that wasnt possible |
| 22:39.31 | BlackFate | foetus, that's a good thing |
| 22:39.40 | zealiod | does it need a sh shebang? |
| 22:39.58 | amphi | zealiod: no |
| 22:40.10 | foetus | BlackFate: ? |
| 22:40.11 | zealiod | weird... cant get it to run |
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| 22:41.21 | xyan | zealiod: you need to background every startup programm using a & and call your window manager on the last line using exec, _read_ man Xsession |
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| 22:42.32 | freebird2 | BlackFate, man, wont work I get this |
| 22:42.50 | freebird2 | BlackFate, NTFS signature is missing. |
| 22:42.50 | freebird2 | Failed to mount '/dev/hdb': Argumento inválido |
| 22:42.50 | freebird2 | The device '/dev/hdb' doesn't have a valid NTFS. |
| 22:42.50 | freebird2 | Maybe you selected the wrong device? |
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| 22:42.59 | freebird2 | Or the whole disk instead of a |
| 22:43.00 | freebird2 | partition (e.g. /dev/hda, not /dev/hda1)? Or the other way around? |
| 22:43.07 | freebird2 | BlackFate, what do you think ? |
| 22:43.28 | BlackFate | freebird2, well the error said use hda1 not hda.. |
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| 22:43.49 | freebird2 | BlackFate, mount -t ntfs /dev/hdb5 /mnt/hdwin1 |
| 22:43.50 | BlackFate | hdb* |
| 22:44.00 | BlackFate | ntfs-3g |
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| 22:44.10 | freebird2 | BlackFate, sorry, I did use that |
| 22:44.15 | foetus | switching between two virtual servers brings me five or more apache-threads with 10MB Memory Usage.. too much. |
| 22:44.17 | xyan | freebird2: what says file -s /dev/hdb5 ? |
| 22:44.19 | freebird2 | BlackFate, that's when I got the error |
| 22:44.24 | freebird2 | /dev/hdb2 3571 4862 10377990 f W95 Ext'd (LBA) |
| 22:44.25 | freebird2 | /dev/hdb5 3571 4862 10377958+ 7 HPFS ou NTFS |
| 22:44.54 | freebird2 | xyan, debianpc:/home/freebird# file -s /dev/hdb5 |
| 22:44.55 | freebird2 | /dev/hdb5: x86 boot sector |
| 22:45.18 | foetus | must figure it out.. |
| 22:45.24 | xyan | nothing more? no code offset and something else? |
| 22:45.52 | xyan | freebird2: are you sure its ntfs? not vfat and just has a wrong fs magic? |
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| 22:46.40 | freebird2 | xyan, not vfat man, |
| 22:46.45 | freebird2 | xyan, I've just tryed |
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| 22:47.31 | xyan | freebird2: well yeah the file -s magic didnt look right, try ntfs-3g but i doubt any two historically popular names for user X session scripts are searched for: $HOME/.xsession and $HOME/.Xsession |
| 22:47.37 | xyan | argh* |
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| 22:47.55 | dagobart | jhutchins_lt: Hrm, I added some sed-ing, but now the " and ' don't mix well anymore. Can you give a tip on how to get the clock refreshed for watch 'bash -c "toilet $(date | sed -r 's/.+(..:..:..).+/\1/g') -f mono12"' ? |
| 22:47.56 | xyan | ignore that touchpad pasting fault |
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| 22:49.08 | poupa2007 | hi every one looking for mp3 channel ???? |
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| 22:50.00 | freebird2 | xyan, what does that means ?? lol |
| 22:50.25 | xyan | freebird2: meant to say try ntfs-3g thats the core of information :-) |
| 22:50.49 | freebird2 | xyan, I di |
| 22:50.54 | freebird2 | xyan, I did already, won't work |
| 22:51.05 | xyan | what exactly did you do? |
| 22:51.18 | freebird2 | xyan, mount -t ntfs /dev/hdb5 /mnt/hdwin1 |
| 22:51.24 | freebird2 | xyan, mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/hdb5 /mnt/hdwin1 |
| 22:51.32 | xyan | you installed ntfs-3g though= |
| 22:51.35 | freebird2 | xyan, mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/hdb* /mnt/hdwin1 |
| 22:51.40 | freebird2 | xyan, yeah |
| 22:51.54 | freebird2 | xyan, mount -t vfat /dev/hdb2 or 5 /mnt/hdwin1 |
| 22:52.02 | zealiod | well, after reading that man page, im non the wiser |
| 22:52.02 | xyan | freebird2: do you have a windows and does it recognize the partition at all? |
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| 22:52.21 | freebird2 | xyan, I'll get to know that tomorrow at my sister's machine |
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| 22:52.49 | northstar | are there any logs or anything that will give me insight into an app that is segmentation faulting? |
| 22:52.54 | xyan | freebird2: if it should it would be a nice idea to chkdisk it |
| 22:53.15 | xyan | northstar: no logs but strace is your friend |
| 22:53.35 | freebird2 | xyan, yeah, very odd |
| 22:53.39 | freebird2 | xyan, tks man |
| 22:53.57 | northstar | trying to install the chromium-browser package |
| 22:54.05 | northstar | it wont run. segmentation fault. |
| 22:54.20 | northstar | prolly some kind of lib issue |
| 22:54.31 | dondelelcaro | northstar: which package, and which version of Debian? |
| 22:54.35 | foetus | i've found it in apache2.conf, its a mpm worker thing. i still must reduce the number of servers to start..thats something new. |
| 22:54.45 | xyan | unstable on lenny i guess |
| 22:55.08 | northstar | bah, its ubuntu... so no worries guys. just curious about logs |
| 22:55.30 | xyan | northstar: anyway install strace and run it under strace |
| 22:55.36 | northstar | will do |
| 22:55.37 | wooden | northstar: try `strace chromium` |
| 22:55.45 | wooden | is late to the party. |
| 22:55.45 | dondelelcaro | northstar: if it's segfaulting, then you'll look at a coredump, but the people in #ubuntu can help you |
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| 22:56.14 | northstar | dondelelcaro, thats what i figured.. where does an app dump to? |
| 22:56.57 | dondelelcaro | northstar: cwd, assuming you have them enabled |
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| 22:58.00 | northstar | prolly not dondel |
| 22:58.27 | northstar | was just playing around with ulteo is all. tried to install the app |
| 22:58.34 | northstar | ulteo is pretty neet |
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| 22:59.40 | compgenius999 | hey guys, does CD 1 contain wpa-supplicant and wireless-tools? |
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| 23:09.33 | ScottG | Anyone know a program to test connection speed? |
| 23:09.47 | compgenius999 | ScottG: just use http://speedtest.net |
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| 23:15.30 | kenjy | hi guys, I have to check in a bash script if the user typed 3 parameters, Im trying something like this: if [ $1 && $2 && $3 ] but it don't work, how can I check if the user typed the CLI parameters for my script? |
| 23:16.01 | compgenius999 | kenjy: might wanna try #linux, it's dead in here at the moment |
| 23:16.22 | xyan | kenjy: if [ -z $3 ] ;then exit ;fi |
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| 23:17.00 | kenjy | xyan: good one, tnks :) |
| 23:17.12 | northstar | well i ran strace, but i have no idea how to make sense of the output |
| 23:18.07 | kenjy | tnkx guys |
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| 23:23.34 | foetus | time to sleep bye |
| 23:25.08 | martianlobster | I am trying to install opera, or mozilla on a debian box. When I do "apt-cache search mozilla" I see tons of stuff, but not mozilla. When I do "apt-cache search opera" I see tons of stuff, but not opera. Does anyone know the names of the packages which contain mozilla, or opera? |
| 23:25.42 | xyan | martianlobster: firefox is called iceweasel |
| 23:25.48 | martianlobster | thanks |
| 23:26.05 | xyan | martianlobster: opera isnt included in debian i think but they have their own repo you can add to your sources.list |
| 23:26.42 | martianlobster | okk thanks |
| 23:26.55 | martianlobster | I will stick to iceweasel for the moment |
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| 23:36.27 | rkulla | is it possible to use ms exchange from linux? i cant get evolution to work with it |
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| 23:39.37 | LinuxGuy2009 | Ok I really want to permanently switch over to Debian on my netbook and desktop, there are a few things that I need and am not sure how to go about getting them. One thing is that I currently use Sound Juicer to rip my CDs to AAC for my iPod. Is it a good idea to just break down and purchase the fluendu plugins or whatever to get that function or what can i do about this? |
| 23:40.35 | Enverex | Are there any repos for the more up to date versions of the nVidia official drivers? (nuovae or whatever it's called is hardlocking my laptop and the official ones in the Sid repos are too old) |
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| 23:58.04 | mertin | themill: hi. Did you find a solution for my problem about removing apps from gnome? |
| 23:58.14 | abrotman | he's baack! |
| 23:58.28 | mertin | hi abrotman |
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| 23:58.37 | themill | I wasn't aware there was still a problem. |
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| 23:59.04 | abrotman | themill: he did the unmarkauto dance with evolution, but aptitude remove evolution still wants to dump half of gnome |
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| 23:59.24 | mertin | that's right |
| 23:59.57 | mertin | It amazes me to find this so difficult and intrincate |
| 23:59.59 | abrotman | mertin: oh wait .. okay .. so 'aptitude unmarkauto evolution && aptitude remove evolution' .. when it prompts you to remove half of gnome, say 'n' then see what the next option is |
