| 00:00.35 | themill | there's no sense in using unmarkauto on a package you're about to remove. You need to do it on the dependencies of its rdeps. |
| 00:00.45 | mertin | thats right I was about to say that |
| 00:00.53 | mertin | ;) |
| 00:01.37 | mertin | but i did aptitude unmarkauto '~R^gnome$' '~R^gnome-desktop-environment$' |
| 00:01.45 | mertin | as themill suggested |
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| 00:02.06 | mertin | but doing aptitude remove evolution still tries to dum half of gnome |
| 00:02.14 | abrotman | uh hwat? |
| 00:02.17 | jhutchins_lt | I've seen it suggested that this might be a case where apt-get or dpkg's inferior resolution skillz are an advantage. |
| 00:02.33 | mertin | its a command that does "unmarkauto" to all the packages that I want to *keep* |
| 00:03.03 | mertin | I suppose it does unmarkauto to all the packages that are asociated to the metapackages gnome and g-d-e |
| 00:03.12 | jhutchins_lt | Kinda like trying to remove kaffeine will rip out all of kde, even if you have vlc or mplayer installed. |
| 00:03.18 | mertin | wich is exactly what I was aiming at |
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| 00:03.57 | abrotman | mertin: you're supposed to unmarkauto the ones you want to remove |
| 00:04.04 | mertin | so that those metapackages can go without trouble because they won't carry any packages with them |
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| 00:04.13 | mertin | themilil says otherwise |
| 00:04.41 | abrotman | you mean themill ? |
| 00:04.50 | mertin | yes |
| 00:05.27 | mertin | unmarkauto if I understand correctly, unmarks a package "auto installed". So it marks it as manually installed |
| 00:05.48 | mertin | meaning "this package was not installed automatically, it was installed manually" |
| 00:06.20 | mertin | so that aptitude won't have to take care of it as "dependecies" when it takes away a bigger package asociated with it |
| 00:06.24 | mertin | like gnome or g-d-e |
| 00:06.33 | mertin | I think I'm on the right track here |
| 00:08.07 | mertin | but doing that long strange command provided by themill, it still warned me about losing half gnome! |
| 00:08.31 | abrotman | try saying 'n' and see what the next option is |
| 00:08.36 | abrotman | or use a pastebin to give us more info |
| 00:08.53 | themill | aptitude's -D and -W options would be useful to include |
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| 00:09.58 | mertin | I'm already regretting spending so much time and effort to wipe evolution and rhythmbox. I think I'll leave them be |
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| 00:10.16 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:10.20 | abrotman | you said that yesterday! |
| 00:10.24 | mertin | yes |
| 00:10.33 | mertin | this is incredible |
| 00:10.35 | mertin | I mean |
| 00:10.38 | mertin | wtf |
| 00:10.46 | mertin | I should be able to remove any package I want |
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| 00:11.23 | nsadmin | well... sure... since it's your box... but... depending on the package there could be consequences |
| 00:11.40 | mertin | I mean, I understand the meaning and consequences of dependecies |
| 00:11.51 | mertin | but I thought it was a one way thing |
| 00:11.52 | mertin | meaning |
| 00:12.12 | mertin | if I remove g-d-e, of course it will take away most of my apps and packages |
| 00:12.13 | BlackFate | i know the majority disagrees, but sometimes apt-get jets the job done |
| 00:12.23 | BlackFate | gets* |
| 00:12.36 | mertin | but if I want to remove one of those little packages, does it make any sense that it tries to take away all the other ones? |
| 00:12.40 | nsadmin | it is, it's supposed to be a dependency -tree-, NOT a graph |
| 00:12.48 | mertin | no sense at all if you ask me |
| 00:13.27 | mertin | so if it is a tree, I assume rhythmbox is a single branch from the tree |
| 00:13.30 | nsadmin | mertin: the whole idea is that packages that don't serve what you want could be removed |
| 00:13.41 | mertin | since when cutting a branch from a tree kills the entire tree?!? |
| 00:13.42 | nsadmin | the question is how does aptitude determine what you want |
| 00:13.51 | abrotman | it tells you :) |
| 00:14.01 | nsadmin | nonoNO... |
| 00:14.16 | nsadmin | sheesh... some people... |
| 00:14.46 | nsadmin | it determines that you want a package that you specifically tell it to install |
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| 00:15.05 | nsadmin | and you could take or leave all other packages |
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| 00:15.48 | nsadmin | what can I say, that's a model they're trying |
| 00:16.30 | mertin | so is it a tree or not |
| 00:16.35 | mertin | :s |
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| 00:16.47 | nsadmin | yes |
| 00:16.49 | mertin | I'm trying to understand the logic behind this |
| 00:16.52 | nsadmin | it should be |
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| 00:17.06 | nsadmin | so, you install package ferberger |
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| 00:17.21 | hasanhabibi | hi all |
| 00:17.28 | mertin | so if I take away a tiny little branch from it, its clear that I don't want bigger branches, or the entire tree to go away |
| 00:17.30 | nsadmin | and it depends on orderofthis |
| 00:17.44 | hasanhabibi | how to make a L2TP server on debian lenny ? |
| 00:17.45 | nsadmin | it knows you want ferberger |
| 00:18.00 | nsadmin | but it can't make that same claim about orderofthis |
| 00:18.02 | hasanhabibi | how to make a L2TP VPN server on debian lenny ?* |
| 00:18.09 | mertin | ferberger? |
| 00:18.26 | themill | mertin: metapackages like "gnome" are there to make life easier for you to install a bunch of packages at once. Autoremoval of cruft is there to make it easier to clean up afterwards if you install a package and then later remove it. Both of these are desirable but they are also mutually exclusive as you have found. |
| 00:19.30 | hasanhabibi | :-/ |
| 00:19.32 | nsadmin | so if you tell it you want ferberger gone, it goes down the tree removing everything that is not wanted untill it gets to something that is specifically wanted |
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| 00:19.40 | hasanhabibi | !L2TP |
| 00:19.40 | dpkg | [l2tp] Layer Two (2) Tunneling Protocol, an extension to <PPP> enabling ISPs to operate Virtual Private Networks. Ask me about <xl2tpd>. See also <vpn>. |
| 00:20.00 | hasanhabibi | !xl2tpd |
| 00:20.00 | dpkg | xl2tpd is probably an open source <L2TP> implementation, forked from <l2tpd> and packaged for Debian. It implements both the LAC and LNS roles of L2TP. http://www.xelerance.com/software/xl2tpd/ |
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| 00:21.25 | LinuxGuy2009 | Do I need to purchase the fluendo plugins to be able to rip my CDs to AAC and be able to transfer them to my iPod? |
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| 00:22.30 | sanzilla | halo world! |
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| 00:22.55 | sanzilla | hi all I just downloaded the DVD 1 should I have to download the next too? |
| 00:23.09 | rhavenn | sanzilla, depends on what you want to install |
| 00:23.29 | rhavenn | sanzilla, from CD..just for an install that will pull packages from the net, no CD1 is all you need |
| 00:23.51 | bkraptor | how can I change the mirror I currently use for apt? I don't want to manually change it, I want to select from a list |
| 00:24.00 | sanzilla | It's DVD-1 |
| 00:24.04 | sanzilla | not CD 1 |
| 00:24.32 | rhavenn | sanzilla, yeah, just for an install you're fine..if you need all packages available offline you need more DVDs |
| 00:24.45 | sanzilla | bkraptor: it use the netboot image. |
| 00:25.15 | sanzilla | it will ask for a HTTP or FTP or NFS server and next screen it allows you to configure. |
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| 00:25.43 | bkraptor | I don't want to reboot this machine and I just need to install a package |
| 00:25.51 | bkraptor | http://ftp.ro.debian.org/debian/ is down giving 404 |
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| 00:26.00 | bkraptor | this is the mirror I'm currently using |
| 00:26.12 | sanzilla | hack that ftp or http server and fix the problem. |
| 00:26.36 | bkraptor | I'd love to do that, but I think that's illegal |
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| 00:27.31 | nate_h | how do I resize a partition table after resizing the file system? |
| 00:28.37 | sanzilla | well why does setup does not allow download packages via torrents ? |
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| 00:30.17 | mmnicolas | ok, i got the syslinux package, dpkg -L syslinux, no memdisk, get to /usr/share/doc/syslinux, found a text file documenting memdisk.. but no damn memdisk... where is it ? i found it once and never found it again |
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| 00:31.50 | sanzilla | if you need a memdisk? |
| 00:31.59 | sanzilla | you can download it from somewhere else. |
| 00:32.08 | sanzilla | I can give you if you want. |
| 00:32.10 | sanzilla | it's small. |
| 00:32.26 | mmnicolas | i got one, i was looking for an updated one somehow |
| 00:32.44 | mertin | hey, about my situation: will I have future problems by having 'orphaned' those packages from gnome? |
| 00:32.57 | mmnicolas | because my live-helper squeeze image no longer boots dos floppy images |
| 00:33.07 | smhar | I am having a strange problem with my 3g usb modem, I am using wvdial in squeeze on a desktop and a notebook. on the desktop, the connection is alive for days with no problem, but on the notebook, it get disconnected, where should I look? |
| 00:33.12 | mmnicolas | the lenny live helper image did |
| 00:33.16 | sanzilla | do you append the parameters correctly? |
| 00:33.26 | sanzilla | what is the append= parameter ? |
| 00:33.52 | mmnicolas | sanzilla: yea, same thing, i see memdisk loading properly, then the vm hangs when about to boot the floppy image |
| 00:34.22 | mmnicolas | sanzilla: its used to append initrd=, it wasnt used before, i tested with on/off and no difference |
| 00:34.23 | sanzilla | it gives error if you do not use correct append= parameter |
| 00:35.05 | mmnicolas | the only thing to append should be initrd= |
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| 00:35.42 | sanzilla | just use append raw |
| 00:35.58 | sanzilla | `append raw` after initrd=/wahtever/w |
| 00:36.06 | mmnicolas | yea ive tried that also, different message, same result |
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| 00:36.32 | sanzilla | wait |
| 00:36.39 | mmnicolas | i can't figure it out, it must be a new isolinux problem |
| 00:37.06 | sanzilla | no, is that int13 problem ? |
| 00:37.12 | sanzilla | I sure |
| 00:37.17 | mmnicolas | yea exactly |
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| 00:37.33 | sanzilla | unfortunately I can't remind how I get rid over this. |
| 00:37.46 | mmnicolas | INT13 08 Failure |
| 00:37.52 | mmnicolas | but it goes on and try to boot |
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| 00:39.59 | yardleydobon | bkraptor: use netselect-apt |
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| 00:46.04 | quhan | anyone know how to make koffice not auto-backup? |
| 00:46.13 | Trekki | hi guys. What is the Debian way of disabling suspend to disk? |
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| 00:46.34 | Trekki | i.e. so that KDE's powerdevil doesn't offer the option to hibernate any more? |
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| 00:47.19 | abrotman | quhan: there is a #koffice if you odn't get an answer here |
| 00:47.38 | sanzilla | hi mmnicolas if you could find a virtual image (typically the file name `vmlinuz` ) this problem won't occur. |
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| 00:47.47 | quhan | trekki, just click the power management icon, then hibernate.. |
| 00:47.56 | quhan | abrotman, thanks |
| 00:47.56 | Trekki | quhan: I want to disable it, not use it |
| 00:48.02 | sanzilla | but there is a way to get around this |
| 00:48.40 | mmnicolas | but anyways, why is that memdisk file unavailable |
| 00:48.59 | Trekki | and since I can't just tell powerdevil to not show the Hibernate button, this is the only way of getting rid of it |
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| 00:49.25 | sanzilla | no mmnicolas it's not the problem of the version or it's a bug. |
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| 00:49.53 | sanzilla | it happens when the operating system initialize the old dos 13h calls to it's own drivers. |
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| 00:50.03 | mmnicolas | sanzilla: i really must be, it works with my lenny image, side by side, same vm, same disk image |
| 00:50.04 | sanzilla | in the vmlinuz it does not occur. |
| 00:50.22 | Trekki | hence I'm looking for a Kernel or ACPI option to disable suspend to disk system-wide |
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| 00:51.11 | mmnicolas | well you don't need memdisk to boot a vmlinuz image |
| 00:51.26 | sanzilla | the http://syslinux.zytor.com/wiki/index.php/MEMDISK explains this problem and how to get rid of it. |
| 00:51.27 | sanzilla | too |
| 00:51.36 | sanzilla | I read it along time before |
| 00:51.56 | sanzilla | but I can't remind where I went next after reading it. |
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| 00:58.47 | mmnicolas | hehe |
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| 00:59.26 | mmnicolas | yea but it's a pc-dos floppy image, so it shouldnt cause any problems as they say |
| 00:59.50 | mmnicolas | only other non-realmode os'es have issues with int13 |
| 01:00.25 | sanzilla | try `append harddisk` too. |
| 01:01.43 | mmnicolas | also tried, INT13 Succeeds but still hangs while trying to boot |
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| 01:02.30 | mmnicolas | CHS is probed properly |
| 01:02.38 | sanzilla | go on. |
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| 01:02.58 | sanzilla | so probablly a problem in the disk geometry. |
| 01:03.01 | sanzilla | right? |
| 01:03.30 | mmnicolas | well, that same image is working when booted with the isolinux from lenny |
| 01:04.13 | mmnicolas | i have a whole lot of bootable floppy image and none of them would work, only memtest is booting fine and he doesnt require memdisk |
| 01:04.43 | sanzilla | if that's a problem of identifying the disk geometry try to give it manually.(but this is very rare). |
| 01:05.08 | mmnicolas | no its probed correctly, 80 2 18 |
| 01:05.31 | sanzilla | oky now what's the error message? |
| 01:05.33 | mmnicolas | as a 1440k floppy, just like reported by the command "file diag.img" |
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| 01:05.56 | mmnicolas | there's none, only the vm popup saying the vm has hung |
| 01:06.31 | mmnicolas | ill check out the vm log |
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| 01:08.27 | mmnicolas | ok found the crashing part in the logs, not much info here, a series of exclamation mark followed by: Changing the VM state from 'RUNNING' to 'GURU_MEDITATION'. |
| 01:08.53 | mmnicolas | right after Booting... |
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| 01:10.37 | sanzilla | no this is vmware right , the vmware dos not show kernel level errors more descriptly if you want to go that deep use bhocs. |
| 01:10.59 | sanzilla | but configuring the bochas will be too trickey. |
| 01:11.04 | sanzilla | anyway. |
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| 01:11.57 | sanzilla | for a example what are the I/O assigned what are the memory maps on the table. |
| 01:12.16 | sanzilla | debug that much of deep is not fun |
| 01:13.04 | sanzilla | *bochs |
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| 01:17.26 | mmnicolas | well it depends |
| 01:17.45 | mmnicolas | can be fun, in my case its not because im trying to do something else |
| 01:18.33 | sanzilla | oky the problem is that VMware does not give you enoughf results to debug what went wrong. Even not a stack trace. |
| 01:18.44 | mmnicolas | virtualbox |
| 01:19.04 | mmnicolas | well it does |
| 01:19.09 | mmnicolas | in the logfile |
| 01:19.19 | mmnicolas | but it's unreadable to me |
| 01:19.33 | sanzilla | so in what BIOS/system call it faills what are the parameters ? |
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| 01:21.17 | mmnicolas | fff8 - 0000ffff 00cf9b00 - base=00000000 limit=ffffffff dpl=0 CodeER Accessed Present Page 32-bit HyperCS |
| 01:21.27 | ColdFyre | i just picked up 1.75L of vodka and 180 cheese sticks |
| 01:21.30 | ColdFyre | er |
| 01:21.58 | abrotman | wrong channel |
| 01:22.22 | mmnicolas | this is no ordinary stack trace, im pretty sure of that :P |
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| 01:22.34 | mmnicolas | i'll pastebinit |
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| 01:23.25 | sanzilla | it's a descriptor table information, this code is running in the protected mode. |
| 01:23.42 | sanzilla | I'm sure this is not dos or some dos version that runs on protected mode. |
| 01:23.53 | sanzilla | like freedos |
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| 01:24.21 | sanzilla | no , this looks like part of the page table. |
| 01:24.22 | sanzilla | wait |
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| 01:26.07 | mmnicolas | http://pastebin.com/WS316SLf |
| 01:26.52 | mmnicolas | this is my last log, contains a couple of crashs with different options, last crash is with the floppy option |
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| 01:27.41 | abrotman | did you try asking #vmware ? |
| 01:28.08 | mmnicolas | abrotman: its virtualbox |
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| 01:28.15 | abrotman | oh saorry |
| 01:28.37 | mmnicolas | it used to work with lenny both on the vm and real machines |
| 01:28.47 | mmnicolas | same vm |
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| 01:30.35 | sanzilla | I am early correct this is a part of the descriptor table allocation. |
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| 01:31.21 | sanzilla | are you using grub or pxe to load ramdisk? |
| 01:32.08 | sanzilla | looks like we can't use the higher memory, where the exception occurs. |
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| 01:32.27 | tehrabbitt-2 | hi guys. quick samba question |
| 01:32.34 | sanzilla | grub has a lomem option. |
| 01:32.45 | mmnicolas | sanzilla: none, isolinux |
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| 01:33.06 | tehrabbitt-2 | Have a network share "servershare" with a primary user xyz, just made a second user, qxy who needs read write access... |
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| 01:33.44 | tehrabbitt-2 | I already placed the user in the "users" group, but for some reason, all the files within the "servershare" are owned by user "xyz" and group is also set to "xyz" |
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| 01:34.29 | tehrabbitt-2 | it seems that samba is running as user xyz and/or modifying files as user xyz... is there a way to force samba to use the group "users" so multiple users can modify / access those files? |
| 01:35.05 | mmnicolas | tehrabbitt-2: most certainly let me look at my own conf a minute |
| 01:35.13 | tehrabbitt-2 | thanks mmnicolas |
| 01:37.55 | mmnicolas | samba and related services are running as root here, and nothing specifying a user, but im using gnome-usershare to create share so it's not really a good example |
| 01:38.05 | tehrabbitt-2 | ah :-\ |
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| 01:38.31 | tehrabbitt-2 | yea idk, basically the user owns and the group is set to "xyz" instead of 'root / users' |
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| 01:39.28 | tehrabbitt-2 | ls -l shows "rxwrxwrxw xyz xyz filenamehere" etc |
| 01:39.38 | mmnicolas | but it shouldnt matter if you want o+rwx |
| 01:40.15 | mmnicolas | then if its rwxrwxrwx then everybody has r/w access |
| 01:40.17 | tehrabbitt-2 | mmnicolas: well the problem is I just created a second users, who should be able to access an additional share other than the primary share |
| 01:40.31 | tehrabbitt-2 | mmnicolas: that's what I thought, for the exception it keeps giving me "access is denied" errors ;-\ |
| 01:40.35 | tehrabbitt-2 | when i try to write to it |
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| 01:41.33 | tehrabbitt-2 | -rwxrw-r-- 1 nosotros nosotros 50 2010-08-18 21:00 Kaspersky Key.txt |
| 01:41.42 | tehrabbitt-2 | that's an example of the permissions on files created by samba |
| 01:42.29 | mmnicolas | create mask = 0777 |
| 01:42.38 | tehrabbitt-2 | shouldn't it be "=rwxrw-r-- 1 nosotros users 50 2010-08-18 21:00 kaspersky key.txt? |
| 01:43.14 | tehrabbitt-2 | mmnicolas: I guess that could work... |
| 01:44.06 | tehrabbitt-2 | and then just: chmod -r 777 ServerShare/* |
| 01:44.07 | mmnicolas | im sure theres something for that |
| 01:44.23 | mmnicolas | no need to chmod it |
| 01:45.31 | tehrabbitt-2 | nope still permission denied when trying to delete files |
| 01:45.52 | tehrabbitt-2 | i'm guessing because samba is running as "root" and root has no write privelages to those files? |
| 01:47.23 | mmnicolas | root has all that exists |
| 01:48.03 | mmnicolas | so try create mask = 0777 and directory mask = 0777 OR try to use a write list |
| 01:48.13 | tehrabbitt-2 | then why is it saying 'access denied' when i try to access the share from user qxy if the owner and group for those files are set to "nosotros" |
| 01:48.27 | mmnicolas | i mean, write list = nostromos, etc |
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| 01:50.00 | tehrabbitt-2 | i changed the group to "users" for the files / directories in the share and now I can delete them... but i guess my question is, how can i make it so samba starts setting the group to 'users' rather than 'nosotros' |
| 01:50.27 | JasonPilton | <-- noob. How do I add a user to the sudoers list? |
| 01:50.27 | abrotman | visudo |
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| 01:50.45 | mmnicolas | tehrabbitt-2: i didnt find any create group options in the smb.conf man page |
| 01:51.19 | tehrabbitt-2 | would "force group=users" work/ |
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| 01:51.44 | mmnicolas | if it exists |
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| 01:52.13 | tehrabbitt-2 | heh it looks like it worked 0_o |
| 01:52.35 | mmnicolas | damn right its right in the manual, i missed it |
| 01:52.46 | mmnicolas | you also have force user |
| 01:53.56 | JasonPilton | abrotman: thanks |
| 01:54.00 | tehrabbitt-2 | yea, i thought of force group because i saw force user already in my .cnf file |
| 01:54.05 | tehrabbitt-2 | so i figured it might work lol |
| 01:56.10 | tehrabbitt-2 | anyway i gotta go, thanks for helpin mmnicolas |
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| 02:04.32 | CaT[t2] | does anyone use tmpfs basesd /var/run and /var/lock? if so can they see if they are reported twice in /proc/mounts? |
| 02:04.40 | CaT[t2] | this be under lenny |
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| 02:06.39 | gnutron | CaT[t2]: yes, they do. |
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| 02:07.18 | CaT[t2] | gnutron: do you have a seperate /var? |
| 02:07.40 | gnutron | CaT[t2]: yes |
| 02:08.17 | CaT[t2] | gnutron: ok. thanks. :) |
| 02:08.49 | gnutron | CaT[t2]: what do you mean by separate? theres only one /var |
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| 02:09.26 | gnutron | CaT[t2]: ah, no, you're all good. |
| 02:09.33 | CaT[t2] | :) |
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| 02:10.14 | see | hi what package is he command "w" in it is too short to look for in the search engine for packages, and it is not part of coreutils |
| 02:10.38 | CaT[t2] | apt-file search /w$ should help you |
| 02:10.41 | abrotman | did you try apt-file ? |
| 02:10.54 | abrotman | dpkg: find bin/w$ lenny |
| 02:10.56 | see | -bash: apt-file: command not found |
| 02:11.05 | see | ill install it thnx for the tip |
| 02:11.05 | CaT[t2] | apt-get install apt-file =) |
| 02:11.17 | abrotman | see: aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search bin/w$ |
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| 02:11.22 | CaT[t2] | also, if it's already on there you can use dpkg -S |
| 02:12.14 | stew | see: what does "readlink -f $(which w)" return? |
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| 02:13.06 | see | hmm |
| 02:13.07 | see | sudo apt-file /w$ |
| 02:13.14 | see | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:13.16 | sweetpi | see: its provided by procps |
| 02:13.22 | Xenguy | dpkg -S /usr/bin/w.procps |
| 02:13.22 | dpkg | Package: /usr/bin/w.procps: Status: install ok installed |
| 02:13.24 | see | stew ill ry w8 |
| 02:13.33 | see | readlink -f $(which w) |
| 02:13.33 | see | readlink: too few arguments |
| 02:13.33 | see | Try `readlink --help' for more information. |
| 02:13.42 | abrotman | is this ubuntu ? |
| 02:13.45 | see | sweetpi thnx |
| 02:13.52 | see | it is a readynas duo |
| 02:14.02 | mick_laptop | anyone know if there is a debian based distro with a live cd which is up to date and has security in mind? (gpg, tor, uses secure virtual memory, firewalled off by default etc) |
| 02:14.18 | see | procps is already the newest version. |
| 02:14.22 | see | weird |
| 02:15.07 | Xenguy | see: I thought you wanted to know what package 'w' is in? |
| 02:15.21 | see | xen yes, that is what i wonder |
| 02:15.26 | Xenguy | see: is 'w' not present on your system? |
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| 02:15.31 | see | i have procps installed but no w |
| 02:15.40 | abrotman | maybe you should ask the peo[ple that sold you the NAS? |
| 02:15.40 | Xenguy | see: yes, that is weird |
| 02:15.47 | stew | see: what does "apt-cache policy procps" say for "Installed:"? |
| 02:15.48 | see | xenguy nope, but i installed who by coreutils |
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| 02:15.58 | see | stew ill check |
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| 02:16.37 | see | http://pastebin.com/fAfXXcDb |
| 02:16.52 | stew | ahh, sarge |
| 02:17.42 | see | i just took the machine out of the box and it had no w >P |
| 02:17.45 | stew | see: your machine is 2 releases behind |
| 02:18.04 | stew | !sarge |
| 02:18.04 | dpkg | Sarge is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 3.1, released June 6th, 2005. Sarge security support ended on 2008-03-31, this release is no longer supported. Sarge users should upgrade to Etch, ask me about <sarge->etch>. Removed from the mirrors; ask me about <sarge sources.list>, <sarge-backports>. Get old Sarge ISOs here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r8/ http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSarge |
| 02:18.16 | see | stew ok, but i dont think i dare upgrade...it is pretty specific on the raid etc |
| 02:18.17 | stew | see: support for sarge was dropped in 2008 |
| 02:18.38 | see | hehe ok :) |
| 02:18.49 | see | i think the mchine was reeased in like 2008 |
| 02:18.53 | see | machine |
| 02:19.16 | see | thanks for the help to clear that out :) |
| 02:19.30 | see | ill live with out 'w' :D |
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| 02:20.01 | abrotman | see: what info did you want from it ? |
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| 02:21.01 | see | abrot nothing in particular, i just thought it was weird that w wasnt installed and i didnt know how to find info on what package it was in (was years ago since i used debian last) |
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| 02:21.37 | abrotman | see: try "abro<tab>" |
| 02:22.03 | see | abrotman sirc does not support tabcompletion of nicke >( |
| 02:22.05 | see | :) |
| 02:22.06 | gnutron | see: does 'who' work? |
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| 02:22.25 | see | gnu yes, but it wasent instllaed before, i had to install coreutils |
| 02:22.27 | Xenguy | see: hope that box is behind a firewall somewhere :-/ |
| 02:22.36 | stew | see: coreutils wasn't installed?!? |
| 02:22.38 | see | xenguy :D |
| 02:22.45 | see | stew nope :) |
| 02:22.49 | gnutron | see: alias w |
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| 02:23.13 | abrotman | would put it back in the box |
| 02:23.15 | see | they dont give support if you use their ssh-login plugin |
| 02:23.20 | see | :P |
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| 02:23.43 | un214 | I keep considering switching to debian completely but something always holds me back |
| 02:23.50 | see | avrotman actually it is very nice small machine, will fit my needs perfectluy...except it might not be the most secure |
| 02:24.00 | Xenguy | un214: one wonders what =) |
| 02:24.01 | un214 | in fact, it's always the same 3 items |
| 02:24.32 | abrotman | see: you could just get something like a sheevaplug or slug and hang a USB drive off it .. and it wouldn't be sarge |
| 02:24.33 | un214 | sun java, ubuntu-restricted-extras (lots of non-free codecs), cdrecord |
| 02:24.49 | abrotman | sun java is in debian, no clue what that even is, wodim |
| 02:24.50 | bred | hi ppl, i've some issues with acpi and battery. I'm trying to customize power managmment on battery events, but it doesnt seem to trigger any event on battery.*. Also, i've no /proc/acpi/battery dir, and "acpi -V" bring the info from //sys/class/power_supply/BAT0. Anyonee knows what could be the problem or some clue or anything? |
| 02:24.58 | see | abrotman i dont know what that is :) but ill google them |
| 02:25.18 | un214 | abrotman: wodim is broken |
| 02:25.47 | un214 | there's a cross-package I use to get real cdrecord on ubuntu that's not available for debian |
| 02:26.30 | Xenguy | un214: you want cli for CD burning, or is GUI OK? |
| 02:26.48 | un214 | don't care |
| 02:27.00 | abrotman | un214: works fine here |
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| 02:27.04 | un214 | last I checked almost of the GUI tools call cdrecord behind the scenes |
| 02:27.12 | abrotman | has used wodim far more than once |
| 02:27.22 | Xenguy | un214: use k3b (which I believe will happily use wodim) and be happy ? |
| 02:27.22 | see | it is sarge, etch, lenny, right? |
| 02:27.24 | abrotman | un214: in Debian? the GUI tools would be using wodim, not cdrecord |
| 02:27.28 | abrotman | see: yes |
| 02:27.30 | see | is sparc support still in lenny? |
| 02:27.43 | un214 | actually k3b probes for cdrecord then wodim |
| 02:28.23 | abrotman | see: currently, yes |
| 02:28.32 | Xenguy | un214: I only know that my copy of k3b uses wodim, and without problems (at least any that I've noticed) |
| 02:28.34 | abrotman | un214: there is still no 'cdrecord' in debian |
| 02:28.47 | see | abrotman thanks |
| 02:28.48 | stew | (and probably never will be again) |
| 02:29.55 | abrotman | and 'cdrecord' in ubuntu is a virtual package anyways... provided by wodim |
| 02:30.05 | Xenguy | heheh |
| 02:30.30 | Xenguy | from everything I've heard, cdrecord was a lemon (in various ways) |
| 02:30.37 | abrotman | so what was the other issue? there is debian-multimedia.org which has many of the non-free codecs that are not in non-free already |
| 02:30.47 | abrotman | Xenguy: the maintainer is .. 'difficult' |
| 02:31.03 | Xenguy | abrotman: yeah, that was the gist as I recall |
| 02:31.14 | stew | the upstream author keeps threatening to sue various debian developers, so we don't want his software anymore. wodim is a fork |
| 02:31.45 | Xenguy | litigious swine |
| 02:31.48 | Xenguy | ;-) |
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| 02:35.27 | un214 | I'm not worried about debian shipping it or not |
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| 02:35.42 | un214 | it would just take one person to maintain the counter-package like some guy does for ubuntu |
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| 02:37.10 | abrotman | ubuntu does NOT have cdrecord .. not officially |
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| 02:37.38 | un214 | as I said, somebody maintains a counter-package in a ppa |
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| 02:37.46 | abrotman | so you can do that .. no one is stopping you |
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| 02:38.01 | stew | except you might note that redistributing binaries is not allowed by the license |
| 02:38.08 | abrotman | oh yeah .. whoops .. |
| 02:38.09 | un214 | I choked trying to figure out how to make debs |
| 02:38.11 | abrotman | don't tell the PPA guy :) |
| 02:38.23 | un214 | hmmm, GPL + CDDL -- I don't think that's right |
| 02:38.41 | stew | yeah, it is. its GPL + CDDL + LGPL |
| 02:38.54 | abrotman | un214: as we said above ... the author might be out of his mind |
| 02:39.08 | abrotman | you'd do better to help people fix wodim if you believe it is broken |
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| 02:41.17 | un214 | I've made pure binary debs by a cheater's method but I can't seem to figure out how to make source debs that compile to binary debs |
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| 02:42.08 | stew | un214: /msg dpkg nmg |
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| 03:01.19 | acu | OK so Debian is both Open Source and Free (GPL3) ? either, both ? |
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| 03:02.28 | un214 | a mix of GPL2, GPL3, LGPL2, LGPL3 and a few other open source licences |
| 03:02.31 | stew | acu: its both open source and free, not necessarily all GPL3, there is a wide variety of licenses in debian |
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| 03:02.57 | acu | thanks stew and un214 :) |
| 03:03.02 | stew | dozens of other licenses |
| 03:03.13 | nate_h | if I clear the shadow entry for a user will that "blank" the passwor |
| 03:03.37 | un214 | uhh doesn't that jam it these days? |
| 03:03.46 | un214 | I tried it once and couldn't log in |
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| 03:03.54 | Xenguy | nate_h: hrm, what are you trying to do? |
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| 03:04.01 | nate_h | reset my password |
| 03:04.16 | stew | nate_h: use the passwd command to change your password |
| 03:04.19 | nate_h | i am booted with a live cd and have the partition mounted |
| 03:04.20 | un214 | uh, become root (maybe have to interact with bootloader) then issue password username |
| 03:04.20 | Xenguy | nate_h: use 'passwd' ? |
| 03:04.29 | un214 | ah |
| 03:04.32 | nate_h | its a lost password |
| 03:04.35 | un214 | chroot /mntpoint passwd username |
| 03:04.36 | yardleydobon | you could create a new user then copy the result of that |
| 03:04.39 | nate_h | i cant chroot into it because its 64bit and the live is 32 |
| 03:04.53 | un214 | hmmm ready to play dirty? |
| 03:05.00 | nate_h | i love playing dirty |
| 03:05.23 | Xenguy | nate_h: I hate these questions, cos it's hard to tell whether someone is trying to break into someone else's account :-/ |
| 03:05.24 | stew | nate_h: you can generate a new password hash to put into shadow with "mkpasswd -HMD5" |
| 03:05.32 | un214 | cp /mnt/etc/passwd /etc/passwd && cp /mnt/etc/shadow /etc/shadow && passwd username && cp /etc/passwd /mnt/etc/passwd && cp /etc/shadow /mnt/etc/shadow |
| 03:05.47 | nate_h | Xenguy, i'm really just being lazy because i dont' want to boot into grub and single user mode |
| 03:06.06 | Xenguy | nate_h: nevertheless |
| 03:06.20 | nate_h | i just wasn't sure if blanking the field with fix it |
| 03:06.21 | nate_h | hehe |
| 03:06.31 | yardleydobon | how is a live cd less lazy than single user mode? that's more work. |
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| 03:06.53 | un214 | in my opinion if he's got a livecd he can get what he wants anyway |
| 03:07.30 | un214 | for people like this, I recommend set a root password and seal it in an envelope in a safe |
| 03:07.34 | Xenguy | well I'm not going to 'aid and abet' |
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| 03:07.46 | Xenguy | my choice, what the hell ;-) |
| 03:07.57 | nate_h | un214, ya my puppet config overwrote my root password so.... |
| 03:08.15 | un214 | ewww |
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| 03:08.58 | un214 | the guys on #ubuntu really don't like setting the root password |
| 03:09.01 | nate_h | i'll just blank it |
| 03:09.03 | Xenguy | Xilent: <-- is golden |
| 03:09.09 | stew | nate_h: blanking it won't help anything |
| 03:09.25 | nate_h | hrm, i've seen a few google results that say it would |
| 03:09.31 | un214 | yeah I tried it not too long ago and blanking passwords jam things now |
| 03:09.35 | nate_h | i see |
| 03:09.37 | un214 | sudo won't use blank passwords |
| 03:09.39 | Xenguy | un214: I never could stand that ubu sudo notion frankly |
| 03:09.45 | nate_h | i'll try grub this round |
| 03:09.55 | stew | nate_h: if you have a password you want to set it to, create a hash of the password with mkpasswd -HMD5 |
| 03:09.58 | nate_h | sudo is a fact of life |
| 03:10.01 | Xenguy | un214: I *like* having a root password |
| 03:10.09 | yardleydobon | su -c i much better than sudo |
| 03:10.11 | un214 | *so do I* |
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| 03:10.41 | un214 | right now I have an outer system (debian) that has only a root account and an inner system (ubuntu) that gets used for day-to-day use |
| 03:10.48 | nate_h | the whole point of sudo is for a multi user system |
| 03:10.55 | nate_h | who cares if you have root on your own box |
| 03:11.00 | un214 | got fed up with bad drivers from ubuntu, along with plymouth |
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| 03:11.22 | Xenguy | nate_h: who cares if I have root on my own box?!? |
| 03:11.28 | yardleydobon | because a sudo for admin password is easier to steal |
| 03:11.33 | Xenguy | nate_h: what does that even mean? |
| 03:11.57 | nate_h | Xenguy, i'm just saying it doesn't make much sense to use sudo on your own box |
| 03:12.04 | nate_h | Xenguy, like you said you like a root password |
| 03:12.15 | Xenguy | nate_h: ahh, IC |
| 03:12.23 | simonrvn | sudo is handy for one-offs |
| 03:12.32 | un214 | IC is the condition of roads in the winter |
| 03:12.45 | Xenguy | heh |
| 03:12.56 | yardleydobon | better to use su -c for one offs |
| 03:13.11 | un214 | how about Ctrl-Alt-F1 for one-offs? |
| 03:13.23 | nate_h | we use sudo because not all our groups have the same privs |
| 03:13.37 | un214 | that's a good use for sudo |
| 03:13.54 | nate_h | and it logs commands |
| 03:14.04 | yardleydobon | yes it is. but the way ubuntu uses it is bad. |
| 03:14.22 | un214 | I tried sudo for about a year before I gave up on it |
| 03:14.29 | un214 | I found I was mostly doing sudo -i |
| 03:14.58 | nate_h | hehe we don't allow that |
| 03:15.34 | un214 | at some point I would do sudo vi -R /var/log/messages followed by :!sh |
| 03:16.17 | un214 | oh and last I checked dash doesn't keep any shell history |
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| 03:18.41 | nate_h | ugg |
| 03:18.51 | nate_h | i hate how modern os's still ask for password when you pass single or 1 to the kernel |
| 03:18.59 | nate_h | gotta do a init=bin/sh |
| 03:19.12 | un214 | that bugs me to no end |
| 03:19.31 | un214 | especially after doing init=/bin/sh you gotta do exec 2>&1 before you see the prompt |
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| 03:21.37 | cobra-the-joker | hey guys ..... is the debian LXDE live CD installable ? |
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| 03:24.16 | Xenguy | cobra-the-joker: I would *guess* no, but don't absolutely know for sure |
| 03:24.31 | un214 | well (cd / && find . | grep -v ^/mnt | cpio -p /mnt) should do most of the work |
| 03:24.40 | un214 | once /mnt is a blank filesystem that is |
| 03:25.15 | stew | uhh |
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| 03:26.52 | un214 | stew: debating whether or not that works? |
| 03:27.29 | stew | definately not |
| 03:27.30 | nate_h | meh |
| 03:27.36 | nate_h | init=/bin/sh isn't even working |
| 03:27.41 | nate_h | time to get a 64bit boot cd |
| 03:27.48 | un214 | yeah, that time it be |
| 03:28.07 | nate_h | yay remote mounting cds to servers thousands of miles away : |
| 03:28.07 | un214 | stew: I've installed systems that way before ages ago |
| 03:28.09 | nate_h | :P |
| 03:28.23 | stew | nate_h: why not just edit /etc/shadow then? |
| 03:28.32 | nate_h | it didn't have the mkpasswd entry |
| 03:28.40 | stew | entry? |
| 03:28.44 | nate_h | i'm sorry |
| 03:28.45 | nate_h | binary |
| 03:28.53 | stew | nate_h: you can't run it from the machine you are on now? |
| 03:29.10 | nate_h | i can't paste into the remote machine windo |
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| 03:29.22 | nate_h | guess i could type it all :P |
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| 03:29.40 | un214 | long time ago I used to keep around an old style encrypted password for which I knew the plaintext |
| 03:29.54 | un214 | last I checked if you dropped one of the wrong kind into /etc/shadow it still worked |
| 03:29.56 | nate_h | yay for java kvm windows |
| 03:30.33 | Dewi | nate_h: screen session clipboard? |
| 03:30.43 | nate_h | you can't paste into the window |
| 03:30.46 | un214 | Dewi: won't work his host is windows |
| 03:30.54 | nate_h | my host is linux |
| 03:30.58 | nate_h | its in firefox |
| 03:31.02 | un214 | oh |
| 03:31.03 | un214 | sorry |
| 03:31.05 | Dewi | I mean, ssh out |
| 03:31.05 | stew | nate_h: mkpasswd is in the whois package |
| 03:31.11 | Dewi | in a screen |
| 03:31.24 | un214 | that's right the livecd can apt-get install packages |
| 03:31.35 | nate_h | not if its on a isolated network :P |
| 03:31.47 | un214 | :( |
| 03:32.19 | Dewi | yeah, don't be on isolated networks |
| 03:32.21 | Dewi | it's not fun |
| 03:32.24 | un214 | at work where I manage some servers holding thousands of medical records we allow unfettered access out |
| 03:32.37 | un214 | now getting in, there's no password in the universe that works |
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| 03:32.50 | un214 | and I still find lusers who keep trying |
| 03:32.57 | nate_h | hahaha |
| 03:33.01 | stew | nate_h: you could use a DES style password that is shorter to type in /etc/passwd long enough to get the box rebooted to where you can login normally and fix the password with passwd |
| 03:33.01 | un214 | so far nobody's tried a username that actually exists on the system anyway |
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| 03:33.14 | nate_h | stew, rebooting with a 64bit live cd as we speak |
| 03:33.39 | nate_h | silly ibm blades, take so long to boot |
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| 03:33.57 | un214 | it never occured to some lusers that because port 22 is open the root account exists |
| 03:34.09 | un214 | in my case it doesn't |
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| 03:34.54 | un214 | you know uid 0 can be renamed right? |
| 03:34.55 | nate_h | new r00t password is "f*ck off" |
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| 03:35.21 | nate_h | ya i always created multiple id 0 users |
| 03:35.26 | nate_h | before we did sudo |
| 03:35.28 | un214 | I thought I was genious once when I set my password to jh@grex a long time ago |
| 03:35.42 | nate_h | my latest genious |
| 03:35.49 | un214 | until I found out that system used @ as line kill before logged in |
| 03:35.54 | un214 | so logging in was a pain |
| 03:36.01 | nate_h | setting my license plate to "TIH2 HO" |
| 03:36.08 | nate_h | its available in my city too :P |
| 03:36.16 | un214 | please explain |
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| 03:36.26 | rking | I like using passwords as opportunities to memorize useful things. |
| 03:36.29 | nate_h | pretend you are looking in your rear view mirror and you see a car with that behind you |
| 03:36.36 | rking | Like making each letter one part of a sentence I'm trying to remember. |
| 03:36.41 | nate_h | my passwords are all first letters of sentences |
| 03:36.49 | nate_h | of words in sentences |
| 03:36.49 | un214 | ah |
| 03:37.18 | rking | Yep. I did that for a while with nonsense sentences and then it dawned on me that I could permanently memorize things that way. |
| 03:37.20 | nevyn | hates passwords |
| 03:37.28 | nevyn | they're a pain. |
| 03:37.42 | rking | I don't hate them as much now that I feel like they're productive for me. |
| 03:37.44 | nate_h | rking, ya i just type out sentences sometimes as passwords |
| 03:37.50 | nate_h | like I work at rim.. so a long time ago my password was I<3dirtyrimjobs! |
| 03:37.52 | un214 | Actually now that we use ssh everywhere and stty is always available on host, |
| 03:38.05 | un214 | it might be a stroke of pure genious to put a backspcae character in a password |
| 03:38.26 | un214 | I'd love to see a script kiddie guess that |
| 03:38.37 | nate_h | right up until you need acesss through an app that doesnt support it. |
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| 03:38.53 | stew | pure genious might start with learning to spell the word "genius" :) |
| 03:38.53 | un214 | Actually I'll bet even if I told a government agent what the password is he can't use it |
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| 03:39.19 | nate_h | sending bits across the united states to image a remote server, time for dinner! |
| 03:39.27 | un214 | hence why I configure my systems so console access doesn't need a root password |
| 03:39.35 | deSt0ne | sorry to bother everyone - I have 5 hds on my server, but installer mounted /var, /home, /usr on each drive idnividually and set them as the moutn point. I'm actually wanting a /drive1, /drive2, /drive3 and all the other system dirs on one disk - best way to do this....? |
| 03:39.50 | nate_h | deSt0ne, reinstall it |
| 03:40.05 | deSt0ne | shit. |
| 03:40.05 | un214 | well you could move all the files around and change /etc/fstab |
| 03:40.13 | un214 | it's not all that hard |
| 03:40.14 | nate_h | or just move them |
| 03:40.22 | nate_h | just rsync them |
| 03:40.32 | nate_h | and remove the fstab entries |
| 03:40.35 | nate_h | so it collapses |
| 03:40.49 | deSt0ne | rsync better than mv? |
| 03:40.50 | rking | un214: Also, keyloggers would still subvert your security, because they'd be able to see your stty tricks just before the login. |
| 03:40.50 | un214 | ever hidden files under mountpoints intentionally? |
| 03:41.16 | nate_h | deSt0ne, ya in case you fail your mv halfway through |
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| 03:41.25 | deSt0ne | k, cool |
| 03:41.26 | nate_h | rsync -av source dest |
| 03:41.30 | nate_h | -a == archive |
| 03:41.35 | deSt0ne | your my hero. |
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| 03:42.08 | nate_h | i'm waiting to play the sad trombone sound when it goes belly up :P |
| 03:42.22 | rking | nate_h: HAHA |
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| 03:42.24 | deSt0ne | how do you speficy which device to move to? (sorry, ignroant) |
| 03:42.39 | un214 | belly up is when someone did cp /path/to/some/importfile/in/ramdrive /dev/hda |
| 03:42.56 | un214 | deSt0ne: you specify path |
| 03:43.09 | un214 | you kinda have to switch the mountpoints before you move |
| 03:43.24 | nate_h | dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/sda |
| 03:43.37 | un214 | I had occasion to do that once |
| 03:43.43 | rking | dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/mem |
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| 03:44.09 | rking | I did that to teach a computer a lesson once. Result: Very quick freeze. |
| 03:44.12 | yardleydobon | price is right fail horn? |
| 03:44.31 | nate_h | I threw a computer on the flour |
| 03:44.33 | nate_h | even quicker freeze |
| 03:44.47 | un214 | my grandpa put his hard drive in a vice |
| 03:44.56 | un214 | actually, just the platters |
| 03:44.57 | rking | That's risky. What if the PSU keeps the fans going or something? It'd be like the computer was mocking you. |
| 03:45.00 | nate_h | i stacked hard drives up against a cement piller |
| 03:45.05 | yardleydobon | deSt0ne: gparted would be useful for this task. |
| 03:45.08 | nate_h | and drove a fork lift through them |
| 03:45.21 | nate_h | to kill the data |
| 03:45.22 | nate_h | hehe |
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| 03:46.01 | deSt0ne | whats the IF and OF stand for (just curuious) |
| 03:46.01 | un214 | for some reason I still favor the bottle of hydrocloric acid to paint the platters with |
| 03:46.09 | un214 | input file and output file |
| 03:46.11 | deSt0ne | If = input file |
| 03:46.12 | deSt0ne | k |
| 03:46.13 | deSt0ne | yeah |
| 03:46.14 | deSt0ne | aight |
| 03:46.21 | nate_h | i wanted to thermite the hds |
| 03:46.43 | stew | deSt0ne: no, stop |
| 03:47.03 | stew | deSt0ne: you don't want to issue the dd commands they are talking about |
| 03:47.14 | deSt0ne | no no no |
| 03:47.18 | deSt0ne | i know |
| 03:47.22 | stew | ok |
| 03:47.27 | un214 | I encountered a n00b's program that recursively descended the filesystem, read in every file, and checked if each bit was either a 0 or a 1. |
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| 03:47.56 | nate_h | :(){ :|:&};: |
| 03:48.00 | stew | nate_h: stop |
| 03:48.03 | nate_h | type that into your bash shell :P |
| 03:48.05 | nate_h | jk |
| 03:48.05 | un214 | doesn't work anymore |
| 03:48.14 | stew | nate_h: do NOT do that here |
| 03:48.20 | yardleydobon | that's a fork bomb |
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| 03:48.27 | nate_h | forking bomb! |
| 03:48.40 | rking | un214: What changed? |
| 03:48.47 | yardleydobon | far more deadly than a spoon bomb |
| 03:48.57 | un214 | what changes is you run out of pids really fast and end up with only one process running |
| 03:49.16 | un214 | back in the day you could kill the machine first but not anymore |
| 03:49.24 | rking | un214: No, why doesn't it work (aka fail) anymore? |
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| 03:50.00 | un214 | because you can fill up the process list too fast now |
| 03:50.24 | un214 | now if you did :(){:|:&:|:&);: it would still be deadly |
| 03:50.46 | zinx | uhm |
| 03:50.49 | zinx | no |
| 03:51.24 | zinx | at least not on my machine... reason it doesn't work here: ulimit -u |
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| 03:51.53 | un214 | if you ever want to play with fork bombs, do it on your personal workstation and have a root shell open |
| 03:52.06 | un214 | kill -9 -1 will always clean up as kill is internal to the root shell |
| 03:52.20 | un214 | (might be a good idea to renice --19 $$ first) |
| 03:52.41 | rking | Or maybe do a watchdog. "If I'm not out of here in 5 minutes, you know what to do." |
| 03:53.44 | deSt0ne | could i not us this dd command to do this? dd if=/dev/sda1 of=/dev/sda2 where sda2 = mountpoint of / and sda1 = mountpoint /boot then edit fstab |
| 03:54.04 | un214 | I'd not |
| 03:54.22 | stew | deSt0ne: that would REPLACE the contents of / with the contents of /boot |
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| 03:55.04 | jaggz | how can I wipe a drive without destroying the mbr or otherwise making the next user of it's life difficult? |
| 03:55.10 | stew | deSt0ne: if you've just installed this machine, it might be easiest to just reinstall and go for the manual partitioning option |
| 03:55.21 | deSt0ne | well, its in a remote datacenter ... |
| 03:55.39 | jaggz | hm.. maybe wipe with an offset |
| 03:55.51 | un214 | well you could always dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda bs=512 seek=1 |
| 03:55.52 | stew | jaggz: what in the mbr do you want to preserve? |
| 03:56.04 | deSt0ne | but your right, migth be easier to contact htem and have them reformat... |
| 03:56.21 | deSt0ne | er, not format, reinstall |
| 03:56.26 | deSt0ne | jesus christ, i feel retarded |
| 03:56.32 | jaggz | stew, not quite sure.. I just recall messing them up before and having a tough time.. so someone wanting to install windows on this.. I don't want to make it difficult for them either |
| 03:56.45 | un214 | but come to think of it if the machine uses grub you might as well completely wipe |
| 03:57.03 | un214 | if the MBR is completely hosed windows will lay down a new one |
| 03:57.13 | jaggz | working on it from linux, debian, but it's got ntfs on it |
| 03:57.24 | jaggz | okay.. I'll just wipe the whole thing then |
| 03:57.27 | stew | jaggz: there are two things in the mbr, the layout of the primary partitions and the bootloader (like grub,lilo,etc) |
| 03:57.44 | jaggz | ah |
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| 04:20.20 | stew | !qotd0 |
| 04:20.20 | dpkg | * Guerin -> skool | <abrotman> where Guerin learns to control his irc client :) | <Guerin> amphi: i can control my irc client!!!1 |
| 04:21.29 | Xenguy | remembers Guerin from some time ago... |
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| 04:22.42 | Dewi | remembers Guerin from yesterday |
| 04:22.57 | Xenguy | Dewi: ahh, is he still around then? |
| 04:23.15 | Xenguy | dpkg last guerin |
| 04:23.15 | dpkg | Xenguy: are you using Windows? |
| 04:23.26 | Xenguy | heh, OK that didn't work |
| 04:23.47 | Dewi | Xenguy: he's here now. Quiet, but most of the 948 are |
| 04:23.51 | peterrooney | as good as dpkg is, it's not psychic. |
| 04:23.52 | Xenguy | dpkg seen guerin |
| 04:23.52 | dpkg | guerin is currently on #debian, last said: 'shivraj: you could /msg dpkg drxx'. |
| 04:23.56 | Xenguy | aha |
| 04:24.27 | Xenguy | shows you how much I've been around lately :P |
| 04:25.40 | streuner__ | must be, if you ask about him... |
| 04:26.16 | Xenguy | streuner__: he's a, ummm, memorable fellow you see :-) |
| 04:26.18 | b0nghitter | it would be really nice if someone could update VLC to 1.1.x |
| 04:26.49 | b0nghitter | in lennys default packages |
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| 04:27.44 | peterrooney | dpkg seen dpkg |
| 04:27.44 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'dpkg', peterrooney |
| 04:27.45 | jaggz | thanks for the help guys |
| 04:27.49 | jaggz | time to head out.. |
| 04:28.03 | b0nghitter | 0.8.6 is so 2008 :[ |
| 04:28.05 | peterrooney | so much for my infinite recursion theory |
| 04:28.06 | stew | b0nghitter: lenny is stable |
| 04:28.19 | stew | stable meaning "not changing" |
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| 04:28.44 | stew | b0nghitter: and 2008 is appropriate, since that is when lenny was frozen |
| 04:28.54 | Xenguy | dpkg you are not invisible! |
| 04:28.54 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 04:29.00 | Cataphract | How can I know which packages I have installed that came from backports? |
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| 04:30.33 | stew | Cataphract: aptitude search '~i~Vbpo' |
| 04:30.38 | jaggz | dpkg you look like this comment! |
| 04:30.38 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 04:31.05 | stew | Cataphract: (taking advantage of the fact that backports.org version strings have 'bpo' in them) |
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| 04:32.08 | streuner | apt-cache policy <package> shows you where that package came from, if that helps |
| 04:32.54 | b0nghitter | would it be a bad idea to suddenly switch over to testing on a production machine? |
| 04:32.57 | stew | it tells you where its available from now, but not necessarily where the package came from (which isn't tracked) |
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| 04:34.09 | stew | b0nghitter: yes, testing still changes daily, it doens't yet have security support, and the only real reason its not yet marked as stable is how buggy it is |
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| 04:35.38 | streuner | stew: i missed you much :-) |
| 04:36.29 | stew | aw :) |
| 04:37.37 | streuner | but anyway, never heard of a tric/script that sort that out |
| 04:37.49 | Cataphract | stew: Thanks |
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| 04:40.56 | Cataphract | stew: It seems it also shows packages that exist in backports and that I have installed |
| 04:41.15 | Cataphract | but when I don't have the backports version installed |
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| 04:41.49 | Cataphract | for instance, it shows libstdc++6 and apt-show-versions shows libstdc++6 4.3.2-1.1 install ok installed |
| 04:42.17 | streuner | thats ok |
| 04:42.54 | streuner | judd, versions libstdc++6 |
| 04:42.56 | judd | libstdc++6 -- etch: 4.1.1-21; lenny: 4.3.2-1.1; lenny-backports: 4.3.4-6~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.4.4-8; sid: 4.4.4-11; experimental: 4.5.1-3 |
| 04:43.13 | streuner | hm |
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| 04:45.03 | Cataphract | well, apt-show-versions | grep backports seems to do the trick |
| 04:45.03 | streuner | Cataphract: whats the reason you need to know about bpo packages anyway? |
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| 04:45.38 | Cataphract | I'm upgrading to a new machine |
| 04:45.47 | Cataphract | and I need to know what I have to install from backports |
| 04:46.11 | streuner | so, clone the a machine? |
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| 04:46.17 | streuner | s/the/ / |
| 04:46.23 | Cataphract | different architecture |
| 04:46.38 | awesome_guest | hi how do I update all my installed packages (aptitude) to the most recent version? |
| 04:46.40 | stew | Cataphract: AIUI, the problem with apt-show-versions is that it might not know what to say about a package which was originally installed from BPO, but for which there is a newer version on BPO (and therefore the currently installed version isn't available from anywhere) |
| 04:46.42 | streuner | well, but the same packages |
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| 04:47.00 | stew | awesome_guest: aptitude full-upgrade |
| 04:47.18 | stew | awesome_guest: be careful to pay attention to what that command wants to remove |
| 04:47.46 | stew | awesome_guest: aptitude safe-upgrade is uh, more safe |
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| 04:48.03 | Cataphract | stew: well, I upgraded all packages just a few hours ago |
| 04:48.12 | Cataphract | but if you have a better solution... |
| 04:48.52 | streuner | Cataphract: /msg dpkg debian clone |
| 04:48.58 | streuner | Does that help? |
| 04:49.09 | awesome_guest | stew: I was mistaken, I'm using APT - a wrapper for aptitude? |
| 04:49.17 | awesome_guest | I just wrote apt-get upgrade |
| 04:49.46 | stew | awesome_guest: aptitude is a front end to apt, as is apt-get. apt-get upgrade is similar to aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 04:49.54 | Cataphract | streuner: The problem with get-selections is that it doesn't tell the source of the packages |
| 04:50.06 | stew | awesome_guest: you'd want to do "apt-get update" or "aptitude update" first |
| 04:50.18 | Cataphract | I also have one or two packages held from etch that I have to take care of manually... |
| 04:50.27 | awesome_guest | stew: yes, I did that. why all these very similar options? |
| 04:51.19 | stew | awesome_guest: why not |
| 04:51.47 | stew | awesome_guest: both tools exist, people keep adding improvements to both..., some prefer one to the other |
| 04:52.02 | awesome_guest | hokay |
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| 04:53.11 | peterrooney | stew: what is apt-show-versions? |
| 04:53.47 | deSt0ne | guys, thanks for help |
| 04:54.05 | deSt0ne | everything was on one drive after closer inspection |
| 04:54.11 | stew | peterrooney: it gets the list of currently installed packages and compares it to available packages to show you rougly what their status is in relation to upgrade paths |
| 04:54.25 | deSt0ne | should i use fdisk or what to create new partitions on these other drives |
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| 04:55.08 | stew | deSt0ne: sure. fdisk works, cfdisk is perhaps a 'friendlier' version |
| 04:55.10 | peterrooney | stew: apt-file shows nothing like it |
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| 04:55.30 | stew | peterrooney: its in the apt-show-versions package |
| 04:55.32 | jb__ | hello. anyone knows where the lock for synaptic is located? |
| 04:55.39 | ktims | never seen this before on Debian - gcc is 700 after install - on a new colo-setup box, is there a config to twiddle or something? |
| 04:56.00 | stew | ktims: what do you mean? |
| 04:56.23 | ktims | gcc is executable only by root. i'm wondering if this is a debian setting or something the colo people did for some reason. can't remember if i installed gcc or if they did. |
| 04:56.44 | ktims | id' just rather not go around twiddling permissions to have them reset after an update... |
| 04:56.45 | stew | ktims: no, /usr/bin/gcc is a symlink to a user executable version on debian |
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| 04:57.01 | ktims | thx that's what i thought |
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| 04:57.25 | stew | ktims: what does "ls -l $(readlink -f $(which gcc))" return? |
| 04:57.30 | eagles0513875 | hey guys to upgrade from lenny to squeeze all i need to do is change the repos from lenny to squeeze right in the repo lst? |
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| 04:58.27 | stew | eagles0513875: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 04:58.36 | ktims | stew -rwx------ 1 root root 207648 2008-12-31 07:52 /usr/bin/gcc-4.3 |
| 04:58.50 | ktims | i know what's going on, just wondering if it's a debian setting i wasn't aware of or something someone did manually before i got my hands on the box |
| 04:58.51 | eagles0513875 | stew: think the bots broken |
| 04:59.11 | stew | ktims: its not a debian setting, the local sysstem administrator must have done it |
| 04:59.16 | stew | eagles0513875: why do you think that? |
| 04:59.29 | eagles0513875 | recieved no msg from the bot in a pm |
| 04:59.33 | eagles0513875 | oh |
| 04:59.34 | eagles0513875 | wait |
| 04:59.35 | eagles0513875 | sry |
| 04:59.38 | eagles0513875 | just woke up |
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| 04:59.55 | eagles0513875 | sry stew |
| 04:59.56 | ktims | stew: i will have to thank them for securing my machine for me, thx :P |
| 05:00.42 | deSt0ne | stew: I partitioned the drive, set to type 83 (linux) -- how can i mount it now? when i type mount /dev/sdb1 /disk2 i get an error mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 05:01.01 | deSt0ne | if I do mount -t ext3 /dev/sdb1 /disk2 i get a different error |
| 05:01.16 | deSt0ne | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1, |
| 05:01.16 | deSt0ne | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:01.16 | deSt0ne | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:01.16 | deSt0ne | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:01.32 | deSt0ne | woops, sorry |
| 05:01.41 | stew | deSt0ne: you have to create a filesystem on it first, with, perhaps 'mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdb1'. be SURE you have the right partition, before running that command, its not reversible |
| 05:02.01 | devdvd | hi all. Does anyone know if there is a perticular security/stability reason the debian team chose not to use the built in version of gd in php5? |
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| 05:02.20 | deSt0ne | stew: ah, like a format |
| 05:02.38 | stew | devdvd: is the php5-gd package not the built in version? |
| 05:02.47 | deSt0ne | stew: apprecaite your help.... |
| 05:02.53 | devdvd | no |
| 05:03.06 | stew | devdvd: are you sure? its comes from the same source package |
| 05:03.12 | devdvd | not so far as i can tell. It is missing functions like imagefilter |
| 05:03.19 | stew | deSt0ne: you're welcome :) |
| 05:03.55 | stew | devdvd: what version of php5-gd do you have installed? |
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| 05:06.35 | devdvd | 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny8 |
| 05:07.04 | devdvd | that might not be right, not sure how to check that to be honest |
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| 05:08.07 | stew | hmm, it works on testing but not on stable |
| 05:09.06 | devdvd | i was just curious if theres a reason. I am in the process of recompiling from deb source to use the bundled version |
| 05:09.17 | devdvd | i was just curious of the security/stability issues |
| 05:10.13 | devdvd | but its interesting to know it works in testing |
| 05:10.18 | devdvd | which means that it will work in sid |
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| 05:10.28 | devdvd | well..at least its likely |
| 05:10.29 | devdvd | brb |
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| 05:12.51 | stew | ah, ok, yeah, we build with --with-gd=shared, which makes it use the libgd2 shared lib insstead? |
| 05:13.39 | stew | we'd certainly do that when we could. If there is a problem we only have to fix it in one place |
| 05:14.03 | stew | devdvd: ^^ |
| 05:14.09 | mnuhmnuh | hey all, it's so heartening to see you (so many of you) so fscked up. Enjoy the ride. Buena Vista Social Club, I suggest? :-) |
| 05:14.28 | stew | mnuhmnuh: ? wrong channel? |
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| 05:14.51 | mnuhmnuh | sorry, but a lot of what i've been trying to read looks like gibberish. |
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| 05:21.10 | mnuhmnuh | stew: ah, sorry, now I see. No, i'm just seeing a lot of really dumbth questions, and assuming they're all drunk. or, maybe it's just me. |
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| 05:21.57 | jelly-home | ooh, a troll with a hook |
| 05:22.19 | stew | mnuhmnuh: if there is something debian related you need help with, feel free to ask. if you are looking for a social channel, you can try #debian-offtopic or #defocus |
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| 05:26.35 | mnuhmnuh | my biggest prob. atm is Mint has a problem booting cleanly. "Disk Utility" on livecd fixes it, but it's annoying. just saying, no biggie. |
| 05:26.39 | jpinx-eeepc | I have an account on an old VM. uname -a tells me "Linux <servername> 2.4.30-xenU #2 Sun Nov 6 17:43:20 GMT 2005 i686 unknown" Is there any way I can find out what the host is? |
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| 05:27.15 | nate_h | hostname |
| 05:27.27 | nate_h | oh you mean the vm host? |
| 05:27.28 | nate_h | good luck |
| 05:27.31 | stew | mnuhmnuh: lets keep it to debian related topics only in here. try ##linuxmint to discuss mint, thanks |
| 05:27.32 | tehrabbitt | lol |
| 05:27.48 | jpinx-eeepc | more - cat /etc/debian_version doesn't exist |
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| 05:28.08 | eagles0513875 | hey guys whats the command to check the condition of a raid array using mdadm |
| 05:28.10 | stew | jpinx-eeepc: try "lsb_release -a" ? |
| 05:28.13 | jpinx-eeepc | though I thought it was debian :/ |
| 05:28.25 | stew | eagles0513875: mdadm -Q --detail /dev/md0 |
| 05:28.29 | tehrabbitt | http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l0d90gqsMo1qbylvso1_250.gif <-- mnuhmnuh heh |
| 05:28.37 | mnuhmnuh | stew: thx |
| 05:28.40 | eagles0513875 | thanks stew |
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| 05:28.54 | tehrabbitt | nate_h did you set a hostname on the VM? |
| 05:29.01 | jpinx-eeepc | stew: command not found :( |
| 05:29.19 | stew | jpinx-eeepc: try cat /etc/redhat* |
| 05:29.52 | jpinx-eeepc | Red Hat Linux release 7.3 (Valhalla) :/ |
| 05:29.55 | jpinx-eeepc | thanks stew |
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| 05:30.54 | stew | 7.3 (Valhalla), May 6, 2002, nice vintage |
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| 05:31.13 | tehrabbitt | nate_h: was there a hostname set for the VM?. |
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| 05:31.34 | jpinx-eeepc | yea - you don't want to know the history ;) but I thought it was like sarge maybe |
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| 05:34.04 | Obi1 | Hi - I have a routing related question |
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| 05:34.39 | Obi1 | i have a debian box i am trying to use as a router - it has eth0 connected to ISP1 & eth1 connected to ISP2 |
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| 05:35.08 | Obi1 | I have 2 routes set - ip route add default via gateway_isp1; ip route add default via gateway_isp2 |
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| 05:35.35 | Obi1 | if I unplug ISP1 from the linux box, on the box itselt, the 2nd route starts becoming active |
| 05:36.06 | Obi1 | but i have a windows box behind the linux box. the windows box is connecte to eth2 of the debian box. |
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| 05:36.31 | Obi1 | from the windows box, i lose connectivity if i unplug ISP1, from the debian box |
| 05:36.45 | jelly-home | Obi1: read this first: http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html |
| 05:37.44 | Obi1 | jelly-home - let me check it out |
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| 05:50.09 | Obi1 | jelly-home - i have done exactly the same thing |
| 05:50.26 | Obi1 | i probably looked up a similiar guide from another site |
| 05:50.43 | Obi1 | here is my problem - if I put ISP2 gateway as my default route |
| 05:50.46 | Obi1 | then everything works |
| 05:50.52 | deSt0ne | random question, will rsync start to copy somewhere not knowing if it will run out of drive space? |
| 05:50.57 | Obi1 | however, if i have 2 routes ISP1 & ISP2 |
| 05:50.58 | deSt0ne | or does it check first... |
| 05:51.02 | Obi1 | with ISP1 as the first |
| 05:51.08 | Obi1 | then everything works from the debian |
| 05:51.09 | Obi1 | box |
| 05:51.24 | Obi1 | but doesn't from the windows box, which is behind the debian box |
| 05:51.51 | Obi1 | if I do a traceroute from the windows box, it goes to eth3 (the internal interface of the debian box) |
| 05:52.03 | Obi1 | from eth3, it tries to go through the ISP1 gateway & fails |
| 05:52.08 | Obi1 | what am i missing |
| 05:52.24 | Obi1 | jelly-home - are you there? |
| 05:52.41 | jelly-home | not there. Try ##networking |
| 05:53.17 | Obi1 | tx, jelly-home - let me try there |
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| 05:56.00 | stew | deSt0ne: yes |
| 05:56.28 | stew | Obi1: you are adding two default routes to the same table? or to different tables? |
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| 06:00.32 | eagles0513875 | i upgraded from lenny to squeeze how do i upgrade permently to grub 2 |
| 06:00.37 | eagles0513875 | after upgrading to queeze |
| 06:00.58 | Obi1 | stew: I tried both ways |
| 06:01.20 | Obi1 | first i didn't have any additional tables at all - just added 2 default routes - one via GW1 & 2nd via GW2 |
| 06:01.21 | salahuddin66 | Obil: try http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/firewall-examples.html#RC.FIREWALL-IPTABLES |
| 06:01.23 | Obi1 | that didn't work |
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| 06:01.41 | stew | Obi1: yes, adding a second default route is meaningless, the first will always be chosen |
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| 06:01.57 | Obi1 | then I tried this -> http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html |
| 06:02.16 | Obi1 | both ways, the 2nd route works from the debian box itself if i pull out ISP1 |
| 06:02.37 | Obi1 | but from the windows box, it always tries ISP1 & fails |
| 06:02.53 | salahuddin66 | Obi1: #ip route show check if you are having 2 default routes. |
| 06:02.54 | stew | Obi1: how is the windows box connected to the linux box? |
| 06:03.07 | Obi1 | ethernet cable |
| 06:03.20 | Obi1 | the lan port of the windows box is connected to eth3 of the debian box |
| 06:03.31 | Obi1 | eth0 & eth1 are ISP1 & ISP2 on the debian box |
| 06:04.09 | stew | Obi1: and the linux box is doing nat? |
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| 06:04.49 | salahuddin66 | Obi1: I use similar config like you in my Debian Box. try http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/firewall-examples.html#RC.FIREWALL-IPTABLES |
| 06:04.53 | Obi1 | Stew: - this is my IPtables rule -> http://pastebin.com/L44a6dhz |
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| 06:05.34 | Obi1 | salahddin66: let me check that out |
| 06:06.34 | Obi1 | salahuddin66/stew -> can you check my iptables rules -> http://pastebin.com/L44a6dhz -> it's rather small |
| 06:06.46 | Obi1 | and let me know if i need to add/delete some rule there |
| 06:07.02 | Obi1 | i am an iptables newbie, so getting confused with it |
| 06:09.14 | Obi1 | but if I put ISP2 Gateway as the default route on the debian box, then my windows box works fine, so i was thinking that my rules should be fine |
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| 06:09.58 | salahuddin66 | Obil1: easy way will be run IP-Masquerade script (after modify EXTIF and INTIF) |
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| 06:10.57 | salahuddin66 | Obi1: Check if your window box using any local DNS server from ISP2. |
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| 06:12.09 | Obi1 | salahuddin: on my windows box, in my TCP/IP properties for my lan connection, I have 192.168.40.1(eth3) set as first DNS server & opendns as the 2nd |
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| 06:13.19 | salahuddin66 | Obil: you are having problem only when you try to use multiple connections ? |
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| 06:14.31 | Obi1 | yes |
| 06:15.42 | Obi1 | icechat - i am adding those extra rules you suggested |
| 06:17.00 | Obi1 | this is my new iptables -> http://pastebin.com/w0ivHK7k |
| 06:17.14 | Obi1 | can you please check if correct - if yes, i will try it out again |
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| 06:17.44 | Obi1 | i am on IRC from the same windows box :-) |
| 06:18.07 | Obi1 | so if try the 2 route thing & it doesn't work, i will lose my connectivity |
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| 06:18.25 | Obi1 | and i will login again after a few minutes |
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| 06:21.15 | jelly-home | you'll lose the current connections even if you don't lose the connectivity |
| 06:21.35 | Obi1 | Hello, i am back |
| 06:21.57 | Obi1 | salahuddin: even with my new iptables rules, same issue |
| 06:22.06 | Obi1 | everything working on the linux box |
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| 06:22.13 | Obi1 | but from windows box, it's not |
| 06:22.16 | salahuddin66 | Obi1: have a look in http://linux-ip.net/html/adv-multi-internet.html |
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| 06:24.06 | Obi1 | salah: - that's more for load balancing |
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| 06:24.10 | Obi1 | i think |
| 06:24.16 | Obi1 | i am not interested in doing tht |
| 06:24.28 | Obi1 | i just want to failover |
| 06:26.13 | salahuddin66 | Obi1: install "iptraf" and check the packet transfer verbose mode. |
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| 06:27.19 | salahuddin66 | Obi1: also check this link: http://bit.ly/cseLqT |
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| 06:30.48 | Obi1 | i have iptra installed - let me check |
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| 06:31.36 | Obi1 | salahuddin: should i go into detailed interface statistics in iptraf? |
| 06:31.56 | Obi1 | is that the verbose mode? |
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| 06:37.06 | salahuddin66 | Obi1: yes check the detail interface.. |
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| 06:45.32 | sphenxes01 | Is it possible to know the date of installing my system (lenny)? |
| 06:46.47 | simonrvn | indirectly only |
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| 06:47.07 | sphenxes01 | simonrvn, how? |
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| 06:47.34 | simonrvn | installation log mtime |
| 06:47.42 | simonrvn | or run stat on it |
| 06:48.01 | simonrvn | should be in /root |
| 06:48.21 | sphenxes01 | simonrvn, thanks |
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| 06:59.39 | tehrabbitt | anyone here ever seen a dell laptop's battery just *stop* charging 4 days before the warranty is up? |
| 06:59.40 | tehrabbitt | lol |
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| 07:02.59 | yardleydobon | sure it's the battery and not the charger |
| 07:03.08 | pallgone | tehrabbitt: 1 year? |
| 07:03.12 | yardleydobon | i'm on my third charger |
| 07:03.37 | tehrabbitt | yes |
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| 07:04.51 | tehrabbitt | 4 days before 1 year |
| 07:04.57 | tehrabbitt | so 361 days it failed |
| 07:05.19 | tehrabbitt | usually they're programmed to fail at 366 days (to force you to buy a new 300 dollar battery) |
| 07:05.30 | tehrabbitt | battery blinks, every other light |
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| 07:05.49 | tehrabbitt | charger is probabbly bad too though.. gets strangly hot near the tip :-\ |
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| 07:06.16 | tehrabbitt | it's a studio xps 1640 |
| 07:06.33 | pallgone | tehrabbitt: so you better call the dell soon enough, especially because they will force you to do all kinds of silly things |
| 07:06.41 | tehrabbitt | i know |
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| 07:07.18 | pallgone | dell support is awful, hp too, lenovo is ok |
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| 07:07.57 | tehrabbitt | i'm on the phone with them now :-\ |
| 07:08.00 | pallgone | they're not trying to help you to solve the problem, they try to spend as little money as posssible |
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| 07:10.16 | richard00 | hi, i have a lenny and each time i update or upgrade iceweasel loose all its parameters, bookmarks , add-ons ...? is it normal? |
| 07:10.20 | PsychiC | pallgone, you must have read the 2600 article ;) |
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| 07:10.48 | richard00 | sorry it is squeeze |
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| 07:11.38 | tehrabbitt | they're replacing the battery and adapter under warranty :-D |
| 07:12.15 | pallgone | PsychiC: no, but I know it from experience... I working in support |
| 07:12.23 | pallgone | *I'm |
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| 07:12.39 | hanasaki | is there a linux vnc client that will scale the remote desktop? |
| 07:13.13 | tehrabbitt | pallgone: lol "Cell made in Korea, assembled in China" |
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| 07:13.25 | pallgone | hanasaki: I think the one from gnome can |
| 07:13.33 | tehrabbitt | sadly i'm convinced everything is made in china now :( |
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| 07:14.26 | kie27 | greetings all, am (happily) running amd64 debian squeeze, have generated a massive pdf file, sent it to the aculaser printer (via lp command from xpdf) but it only prints out one sheet and then the incoming/thinking light on the laser printer continues to flash forever. there doesn't seem to be anymore network activity. printing normally works fine, but this large pdf file is problematic (unless i just want to print it a page at a time). any suggest |
| 07:14.26 | kie27 | ions? |
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| 07:15.05 | hanasaki | pallgone: what package? I think it just calls vncviewer? |
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| 07:16.05 | pallgone | hanasaki: remote desktop viewer |
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| 07:18.12 | hanasaki | pallgone: I do not see an option for it... what does that look like? |
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| 07:20.13 | pallgone | vnc options: scaling (i think) |
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| 07:23.23 | hanasaki | hmm pallgone what which vnc client? what package is it from? there are several |
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| 07:26.00 | pallgone | ,info vinagre |
| 07:26.02 | judd | vinagre (gnome, optional): VNC client for the GNOME Desktop. Version: 0.5.1-2; Size: 1544.2k; Installed: 3056k; Homepage: http://www.gnome.org/projects/vinagre/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/vinagre |
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| 07:27.32 | hanasaki | pallgone: ya that's it. thanks! |
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| 07:30.18 | hanasaki | pallgone: the other vnc viewers compress better though :( vinagre is all jumpy.. thanks . you did help |
| 07:30.21 | Wooga | hello, can anyone help me with finding matching set of boot.img.gz (bootloader for usb devices) and netinstall iso image file for debian squeeze i386? |
| 07:30.32 | SailorReality | Wooga: sudo rm -r / |
| 07:30.50 | jelly-home | SailorReality: don't. |
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| 07:31.02 | Wooga | i know hat rm -r / does |
| 07:31.06 | dkg | SailorReality: what does that do? |
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| 07:31.11 | dkg | imma try it now |
| 07:31.16 | jelly-home | dkg: don't. |
| 07:31.20 | Wooga | also i know that it woildn't work |
| 07:31.32 | jelly-home | Wooga: ignore the trolls |
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| 07:31.43 | Wooga | because in modern binutils you just can't remove root |
| 07:31.47 | SailorReality | is really cool command to customize ur box |
| 07:31.59 | jelly-home | !ops SailorReality trolling |
| 07:31.59 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: jelly-home complains about: SailorReality trolling |
| 07:31.59 | pallgone | hanasaki: yes, I know, the problem with those clients which scale is that you cannot turn down the "quality" |
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| 07:32.32 | SailorReality | !ops jelly-home trolling |
| 07:32.32 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: sailorreality complains about: jelly-home trolling |
| 07:32.49 | SailorReality | !ops jelly-home pinged me |
| 07:32.49 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: sailorreality complains about: jelly-home pinged me |
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| 07:33.18 | Agiofws | hello |
| 07:33.22 | Agiofws | can someone please tell me why chromium since i upgraded debian hs such shitty fonts ? http://imagebin.org/112360 ? |
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| 07:36.10 | pallgone | Agiofws: hmm, actually the fonts on iceweasel look shitty in the pic |
| 07:36.18 | jelly-home | Agiofws: which font type is the web page asking for? |
| 07:36.30 | Agiofws | i don't know |
| 07:36.36 | Agiofws | but ... |
| 07:36.47 | Agiofws | there is no overide option in chrome |
| 07:36.50 | jelly-home | it might be chromium displays a better fit than iceweasel |
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| 07:37.08 | Agiofws | to use the font that the html is asking for |
| 07:37.09 | Agiofws | NO |
| 07:37.18 | Agiofws | its chrome displaying ugly fonts |
| 07:37.32 | Wooga | so, can anyone give me links to boot.img.gz and debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso files having same kernel version? |
| 07:37.33 | Agiofws | not iceweasle |
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| 07:37.56 | Agiofws | cant you see the dif? |
| 07:38.04 | jelly-home | Agiofws: I didn't say anything about ugliness. I said it's possible Chrome actually obeys what the page wants, and iceweasel doesn't |
| 07:38.07 | Agiofws | http://imagebin.org/112362 |
| 07:38.29 | Agiofws | its the other way around |
| 07:38.38 | jelly-home | Agiofws: again, how do you know? |
| 07:38.41 | Agiofws | chrome is using its own fonts i think |
| 07:38.57 | Agiofws | cause there is no such option in chromium ... |
| 07:39.07 | Agiofws | but ice weasel has this |
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| 07:39.22 | jelly-home | Agiofws: and what happens if you enable this in iceweasel? |
| 07:40.01 | Agiofws | http://imagebin.org/112363 |
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| 07:40.22 | pallgone | thinks fonts are ok as long as they're readable :) |
| 07:40.29 | Agiofws | now both are ugly |
| 07:40.31 | Agiofws | http://imagebin.org/112364 |
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| 07:42.27 | jelly-home | Agiofws: you might have to figure out how your Chrome browser does font substitution. |
| 07:42.58 | Agiofws | http://imagebin.org/112365 |
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| 07:43.44 | Agiofws | as it seems that anything i change to fonts ... |
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| 07:43.59 | Agiofws | in chromium does not take effect |
| 07:44.00 | jelly-home | sorry, I can't experiment with the options instead of you, perhaps a Chrome user might step in |
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| 07:44.19 | Agiofws | maybe its not rendering right ? |
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| 07:44.30 | Agiofws | http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=13185 |
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| 07:49.46 | mick_laptop | hi everyone, i'm having an issue w/ squashfs + my kernel |
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| 07:50.21 | mick_laptop | i'd like to modify a distro (backtrack4) and I'm doing these modifications on my box (running lenny) |
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| 07:51.01 | mick_laptop | when I try to do: mount -t squashfs -o loop mnt/casper/filesystem.squashfs squashfs |
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| 07:51.20 | mick_laptop | i get: SQUASHFS error: Major/Minor mismatch, trying to mount newer 4.0 filesystem |
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| 07:51.49 | mick_laptop | but in order to read this version, i need to have the latest and greatest kernel (which i'm not so keen on doing) |
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| 07:58.05 | mick_laptop | ok f- it i'm going to upgrade to squeeze |
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| 07:59.55 | nsadmin | mick_laptop: back up your hd first (don't say you were not warned :P) |
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| 08:00.14 | Soileh | Hey guys, any idea what could cause a large delay when I log in via ssh? The first time I log in it can take up to a minute, I've also noticed our web login stuff takes ages to log in too, could this be a problem with /tmp ? |
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| 08:00.31 | Soileh | The system runs fine and no other problems, just this log in delay |
| 08:00.48 | nsadmin | Soileh: make sure all machines involved have dns names, make sure your dns resolution works |
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| 08:01.35 | Soileh | It's not just from my location, everyone is experiencing it, does that rule that out? |
| 08:02.17 | jemadux | i have sid and I wan to configure to use compiz effects out-of-box / any idea ? |
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| 08:02.36 | SPF | is it possible to 'mount and run sshd' from a debian livecd iso? small iso preferred |
| 08:02.39 | nsadmin | nope, it could indicate that incoming machines either do not have reverse dns or that dns resolution does not function at the server |
| 08:02.55 | Soileh | Ok, awesome. Will look into it nsadmin. Thank you :) |
| 08:03.05 | nsadmin | jemadux: you run sid, sid is not supported, hence I do not have to support it/you |
| 08:03.11 | Dewi | Soileh: reverse lookups usually |
| 08:03.16 | nsadmin | but having said that, I will say back up your HDs |
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| 08:03.37 | Dewi | Soileh: I have had a lot of problems with delays from that, especially if something on the network doesn't talk IPV6 |
| 08:03.50 | nsadmin | Soileh, remember I said -could-. it's up to you to determine the facts |
| 08:03.59 | Soileh | Of course, but it's a start |
| 08:04.11 | jemadux | nsadmin: i will try _catalyst_ |
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| 08:04.24 | Soileh | I'll investigate the dns :) |
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| 08:05.06 | nsadmin | Soileh, so Dewi points to a completely separate possibility |
| 08:05.32 | Soileh | I'm looking into that too :D |
| 08:05.53 | Dewi | nsadmin / Soileh: separate but related. I did once have a DNS bouncer that filtered IPV6 DNS requests, causing them to time out a lot |
| 08:06.25 | Soileh | Yeh, trying a rdns is majorly delayed |
| 08:06.31 | Soileh | infact it just timed out |
| 08:07.09 | nsadmin | Dewi: I hear of a lot of folks who talk about filtering ipv6, mostly around debian mirrors... why is ipv6 a problem, do you think? |
| 08:07.51 | Dewi | nsadmin: in this case I think the packets were simply not understood and discarded |
| 08:08.07 | Dewi | nsadmin: it was one of those DNS bouncers in a cheap hardware NAT |
| 08:08.17 | nsadmin | Soileh: try running an independent and caching-only dns server on the macine you/everyone is trying to contact (i.e., do -not- depend on your ISP) |
| 08:08.37 | Dewi | Soileh: you could make sure usual clients have working rDNS, or add entries to /etc/hosts (at least I think that works), or as a last resort there is this options for sshd: HostbasedUsesNameFromPacketOnly |
| 08:08.56 | Dewi | oh yeah, getting good caching on your DNS provider is good too |
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| 08:09.52 | Soileh | Hmmm ok |
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| 08:10.15 | Soileh | I shall do some reading, as I don't know a whole lot about dns, let alone rdns |
| 08:10.38 | nsadmin | rdns is just numeric IP => name |
| 08:11.07 | nsadmin | 'r' being 'reverse' |
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| 08:12.05 | Soileh | Ahh ok :) |
| 08:12.15 | Dewi | Soileh: they use a record called a PTR |
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| 08:14.18 | yardleydobon | mick_laptop: can you get a backport of a more recent kernel? |
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| 08:15.07 | Soileh | Thanks for the help guys - I've gotta jet but you've been a great help |
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| 08:15.36 | Soileh | Thanks again! |
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| 08:16.35 | SPF | hmm, I cannot find sshd on the debian businesscard iso |
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| 08:17.56 | SPF | I tried simon's rescue cd, but I was wondering if Debian had something like that? |
| 08:17.58 | yow | hi room |
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| 08:18.23 | SPF | it is based on Debian |
| 08:18.43 | SPF | err, I ment Timo |
| 08:18.48 | yardleydobon | mick_laptop: backports.org has 2.6.32. that's what i'm running on squeeze. |
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| 08:19.46 | bint | hi there. when i first installed ubunutu-server it automatically updated every app installed... is it the same in debian or do i need to install something more like "updater" or so? |
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| 08:20.55 | dserban__ | bint, no by default, debian has the ability to update its packages. There are many "wrapper" programs around this functionality, you choose what feels most natural to you. |
| 08:21.08 | yow | i just "created" a partition table using gparted on a 4GB pendrive which has data on it. I wonder if there's anyway to revert the operation and recover the data? I created the partition because it seemed that there was no partition table on it and that was why I could not resize it. My initial purpose was just to resize the original FAT32 partition on the pendrive and create a 2nd partition. Can anyone help? |
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| 08:21.56 | dserban__ | Some examples are: aptitude, apt-get, synaptic, cron-apt, and the list literally goes on and on, unless you define a more specific question, I can't answer it definitively. |
| 08:22.19 | Iridos | yow what data |
| 08:23.00 | yow | Iridos, 1st of all, thx for your reply. Various, some php, docs, texts, pictures, etc. |
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| 08:23.47 | bint | but apticron tells me when updates are avaiable? right? |
| 08:23.53 | bint | aptitude and apt-get can't do that |
| 08:23.58 | yow | Iridos, can i restore, recreate the original partition table (was there any?). Or, can I undelete? |
| 08:24.07 | bint | so if i want a system always up to date i should use something like apticron? |
| 08:24.39 | Iridos | yow, you probably first want to make a copy of the raw device and eperiment on that... |
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| 08:25.28 | ansgar | bint: I think Ubuntu uses unattended-upgrades which is also available in Debian. I use it for ~30 desktop systems. |
| 08:25.29 | yow | Iridos, do u mean `dd` the drive b4 doing anything on it? |
| 08:25.59 | dutchfish | maybe somone can confirm an intermittent connection problem with security.debian.org, or not, at the moment? |
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| 08:27.51 | yow | Iridos, what sorts of "experiments" can i perform? |
| 08:27.57 | yardleydobon | yow: http://www.forensicswiki.org/wiki/Carving |
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| 08:29.18 | Iridos | yow, I am not sure ... if there's a backup of the partition table somewhere, you could recover - but not sure - you might want to try "testdisk" first |
| 08:29.43 | bint | but you would'nt use unattended upgrades on a nondesktop system? |
| 08:30.00 | yow | Iridos, i forgot to backup the partition table :( |
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| 08:30.40 | Iridos | yow, try "testdisk"... |
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| 08:30.45 | yow | Iridos, however, it seems that there were no partition table at all???!!! perhaps there were mbr but no partition table? |
| 08:30.50 | yow | Iridos, ok |
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| 08:31.31 | Iridos | yow, if that fails, you can still rescue individual files of certain types using their magic number at the start of the sector - "magicrescue" does that and will just give you a huge bunch of files you'll have to look through |
| 08:32.09 | yow | yardleydobon, thx for the link, i got it. what i did i guess was created a partition table on a pendrive i wonder if there's a way to just do something to the mbr or partition table to recover the data |
| 08:32.37 | Iridos | yow, hm, that's possible, you can write stuff to the raw device without a partition... I never looked how (c)fdisk sees the disk then |
| 08:32.58 | yow | Iridos, ic. is there no way to just try to "repair" the mbr or partition table? |
| 08:33.20 | Iridos | yow, I already told you... try "testdisk" |
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| 08:34.50 | yow | Iridos, when i fdisk -l /dev/sdb, it did show that there was a partition on the pendrive, i still don't understand how a pendrive can have a partition but no partition table? it seems that we cannot resize nor add partition onto a drive which has no partition table. im confused.. |
| 08:35.08 | yow | Iridos, im going to try testdisk after this, after i dd the pendrive |
| 08:35.22 | Iridos | yow, it has options to specifically repair/recover partition tables - be sure to make a copy of the stick, then you have several goes |
| 08:36.17 | ansgar | bint: I don't use it on servers, but think it might be useful to (depending on how you manage servers/what they do/...) |
| 08:36.32 | yow | Iridos, thx for the advice, im going to try it now |
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| 08:36.47 | yardleydobon | yow: make a copy of the drive, run testdisk, if that fails try data carving. the data is still there. |
| 08:37.47 | Iridos | right... there's also "scalpel" |
| 08:38.12 | yow | yardleydobon, thx. i, also certain that the data still there, my problem is (probably) how to recover the original partition table |
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| 08:43.37 | karmic-koala | hi all anyone know how to close ports on vmware esxi 4, i have port 8000 open that i don't think is necessary and would like it closed |
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| 08:45.43 | petemc | TMM: yo, just seeing your message, thats the bug i was encountering too - i used etch iso and it worked ok |
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| 08:51.42 | mmp | Hello; I'm looking for some info about usermode linux and skas patch; lenny contains uml kernel, but the linux-patch-skas package doesn't seem to be available; is that because is it integrated in kernel package, or is it dropped? |
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| 08:52.40 | yow | Iridos & yardleydobon, `dd` is rather slow :( i'll try testdisk, magicrescue and file carving after the dd is done but may not straightaway as there are more urgent task to be done, i.e. to rename a logical volume (LVM2), im still searching for the command to do it. that's actually my original purpose to mess with the pendrive -- to create a partition to install KNOPPIX on it and use it to "rename" a logical volume on a server. |
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| 08:55.29 | jelly | karmic-koala: on the esxi host? http://vmware-land.com/esxcfg-help.html Also, try #vmware channel in that case, not #debian |
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| 08:57.11 | yow | Iridos & yardleydobon, i think i've found an article on how to rename a LV. i'll try to let u guys know if i can recover the data on the pendrive or not later, thx for your help |
| 08:58.17 | jelly | yow: heh, an article? for the "lvrename" command? |
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| 08:59.39 | yow | jelly, i googled and found this: http://www.tcpdump.com/kb/os/linux/lvm-renaming.html it seems that it's not as complicated/messy as i've thought. |
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| 09:00.17 | jelly | yeah, that happens sometimes |
| 09:00.24 | yow | jelly, yes, it's using the `lvrename` command, im still learning... :) thx btw |
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| 09:02.02 | yow | jelly, before, i thought i need to create a KNOPPIX LiveUSB to boot on the computer and rename the LV but it seems that i can do it while the system is running (("online") |
| 09:02.29 | SOUL_OF_R00T | nice day to all |
| 09:02.59 | yow | jelly, now, i have a new task in hand, i.e. trying to recover my data on a 4gb pendrive after i "accidentally" created a partition table on it :( life... |
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| 09:03.10 | Polysics | hello |
| 09:03.14 | Polysics | please help me |
| 09:03.22 | Polysics | i accidentally chmodded sudo |
| 09:03.34 | Polysics | and now get "must be suid root", and can't fix it |
| 09:03.35 | dondelelcaro | Polysics: so reinstall sudo |
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| 09:03.59 | Polysics | i tried entering recovery mode, but it asks for the root password, but afaik the root password does not exist |
| 09:04.06 | Polysics | i disabled root login |
| 09:04.29 | themill | !ifrp |
| 09:04.29 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
| 09:04.36 | jelly | "also I'm really running Debian" |
| 09:05.02 | themill | Polysics: ^^ you can follow those steps to either set the root password or to reinstall sudo. Or go wild and do both. |
| 09:05.18 | Polysics | what does ifrp stand for? |
| 09:05.26 | themill | !literal ifrp |
| 09:05.27 | dpkg | "ifrp" is "<reply>For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt." |
| 09:05.31 | themill | bah! |
| 09:05.33 | jelly | Polysics: you forgot root password |
| 09:06.47 | Polysics | why fsck the system? |
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| 09:09.30 | Polysics | btw, this is a virtual machine |
| 09:09.49 | Polysics | anyone knows how to pass init=/bin/sh to a Xen virtual machine? |
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| 09:10.10 | Polysics | don't ask why the sysadmins don't have an image from yesterday, please... |
| 09:10.15 | jensens | i need source packages of old debian etch. is there an official place where i can get those? packages.debian.org has dropped them. |
| 09:10.32 | jelly | jensens: archive.debian.org |
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| 09:11.08 | jensens | jelly: thx, perfect! exact what i need |
| 09:11.19 | Polysics | themill: is fsck necessary? |
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| 09:11.40 | jelly | Polysics: not really |
| 09:12.01 | foetus | how can i add apache2 and samba to syslog? i have entered samba with syslog = 2 but i can see nothing..:) |
| 09:12.16 | themill | Polysics: probably not really |
| 09:13.44 | Polysics | still need to figure out how to pass init=/bin/sh to the kernel in a Xen machine |
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| 09:16.43 | foetus | i can find nothing in daemon.log too |
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| 09:18.57 | foetus | **foetus is not so familiar with syslog in this case |
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| 09:20.16 | handjob | Hi. How to find files created in last 30min using cli? |
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| 09:21.41 | OpenTokix | handjob: find . -atime -30 |
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| 09:21.59 | handjob | OpenTokix: Thank You. |
| 09:22.03 | OpenTokix | sorry, amin |
| 09:22.05 | OpenTokix | not atime |
| 09:22.34 | themill | (or mmin) |
| 09:22.34 | jelly | handjob: you can't know the creation time. "-mmin" will find based on modification time, however, and -amin based of access time |
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| 09:22.50 | jelly | typically -mmin would be good enough |
| 09:23.28 | bint | so whats the difference between unattended-upgrades und apt-get upgrade? |
| 09:23.51 | jelly | wtf is "unattended-upgrades" |
| 09:24.06 | themill | ,info unattended-upgrades |
| 09:24.06 | handjob | jelly: Hm. Executing "find ~/ -mmin 30" does not give any results, yet it should. Mostly strange. However thanks. |
| 09:24.07 | judd | unattended-upgrades (admin, optional): Install security upgrades automatically. Version: 0.25.1debian1-0.1; Size: 6.9k; Installed: 40k |
| 09:24.13 | bint | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/unattended-upgrades |
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| 09:24.44 | jelly | whoever thought that was a good idea? Sounds like something ubuntu would do |
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| 09:25.34 | themill | jelly: it is. I actually do that on a few machines that run off a separate (tested-by-me-mirror) and use cron-apt instead. |
| 09:25.40 | OpenTokix | jelly: well, it's optional =) |
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| 09:26.00 | yow | hi, i wonder if there'll be any problem if i install both postgresql and mysql on a server? |
| 09:26.04 | bint | so its moreles the same like apt-get upgrade just does it automatically without asking for it? |
| 09:26.05 | jelly | their policy may allow for that, I'm not sure Debian's packages are consciously made and dictated to work that way |
| 09:26.16 | jelly | yow: no. |
| 09:26.47 | themill | jelly: I've only had one issue with a dodgy samba package from s.d.o in the last few years |
| 09:26.57 | yow | jelly, thank you very much for your quick reply and confirmation :) |
| 09:27.10 | bint | and if i go for apt-get remove "package" the config files will be left in the dir - i have to delete them manually or is there some attrib to delete all of it - inkl. config files ? |
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| 09:27.53 | themill | bint: /msg dpkg purge; config files are kept for your protection until you explicitly tell apt to get rid of them |
| 09:28.33 | foetus | adding '*.=debug -/var/log/debug' to /etc/syslog.conf and /etc/init.d/sysklogd restart brings the same - nothing :) |
| 09:29.41 | yow | thx & bye everyone. i need to disconnect from internet as there's some ethernet problem :( |
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| 09:29.44 | foetus | no apache2, no smbd. |
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| 09:30.46 | jelly | meh, the README is typically not adapted for Debian... "Most users enable it via the Software Sources programm (available in System/Administration)," |
| 09:31.10 | themill | jelly: set jordanm on them |
| 09:31.16 | jelly | will do :-> |
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| 09:31.44 | Iridos | jelly, pity he didn't say how lvrename is supposed to help him with lost partition data... |
| 09:32.11 | jelly | Iridos: I thought it was a separate issue |
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| 09:32.47 | Iridos | jelly, or why installing postresql and/or mysql would do anything |
| 09:32.56 | Iridos | jelly, yes... but ... confusing :) |
| 09:33.03 | jelly | Iridos: that's a third issue |
| 09:33.03 | foetus | jelly, themill: how could i add logging of apache2 and samba to syslog? |
| 09:33.14 | bint | themill and why is that for my security.. lets say i install gftp but find out that i really dont need it.. i can simply purge it? or are there sometimes like shared config files with other applications? |
| 09:33.23 | Iridos | jelly, you mean... he' multitasking? |
| 09:33.24 | jelly | foetus: if I knew I'd say something when you asked the channel |
| 09:34.05 | bint | or its just that i maybe later find out-- shit gftp was cool - and i wont have lost my config files then |
| 09:34.11 | jelly | foetus: please don't highlight to ask me if I know X |
| 09:34.13 | Iridos | jelly, but... highlighing is fun? |
| 09:34.41 | jelly | Iridos: it makes baby jelly irritated and less likely to help, contrary to expectations |
| 09:35.01 | foetus | jelly: sorry. |
| 09:35.10 | Iridos | .lolly jelly |
| 09:35.18 | Iridos | !lolly jelly |
| 09:35.22 | Iridos | hmpf |
| 09:35.39 | Iridos | dpkg, you don't like me today, do you |
| 09:35.39 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
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| 09:37.53 | TMM | petemc, turned out I needed to use the 5.0 installer in text mode and boot directly from cd |
| 09:38.00 | foetus | jelly: it was been unintentionally. |
| 09:38.08 | TMM | petemc, if something else had booted not even reset-all helped with it :-/ |
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| 09:41.13 | foetus | jelly, but its difficult to me, testing something with apache and to see no response, but i don't wonna be nervous. |
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| 09:42.14 | petemc | TMM: you got it going tho? |
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| 09:42.50 | bint | if i want to start an application (x11vnc) automatically with systemboot i have to add its information in init.d somewhere? |
| 09:43.44 | jelly | foetus: np |
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| 09:44.48 | jelly | foetus: both apache and samba have their own logs but you already know that, and I don't want to google for solutions instead of the user when I don't know something |
| 09:45.47 | bint | shouldn't there be a boot file in /etc/init.d/boot ? |
| 09:49.09 | Iridos | no |
| 09:49.20 | foetus | jelly, everything is ok :) i will find a solution, but thanks anyway |
| 09:49.25 | Niklas-_ | Hey. When i run aptitude upgrade, it wants to remove openssh-server and openssh-blacklist as the only action. apt-get upgrade says no actions is needed. How do i fix that? |
| 09:49.54 | tuv | i'm looking for an audio file noise removal tool. searching apt, i found gwc, gnusound. anybody recommend one? how is audacity? |
| 09:50.52 | Iridos | bint, it's not really necessary to run x11vnc as root... regular uses can start x11vnc when they're already logged in, and if they're not, they can start an additional (virtual) X with e.g. vnc4server |
| 09:51.24 | Iridos | bint, you were looking for /etc/rc.local ... just for completeness |
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| 09:52.21 | dpkg | guest12499: VATTENE VIA! |
| 09:52.21 | hal1on | AUTO: Hi, im not in right now.. please pm me your hostmask and i will endeavor to gline you at the soonest convenient time, thankyou! :) |
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| 09:53.00 | Qualcuno | hello |
| 09:53.49 | Iridos | !tell hal1on -about away |
| 09:54.14 | Iridos | hands redpepper a 'chili' |
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| 09:54.40 | Qualcuno | I know this is a sort of "stupid" question, but... I'm reading this: http://www.rackspacecloud.com/blog/2010/08/31/private-network-interfaces-the-forgotten-security-hole/ it suggests do disable the private network interface for Cloud Server when you don't need it (as in my case). however, it doesn't suggest what is the best way to do that... should I completely disable it (in /etc/network/interfaces), or use iptables to block all incoming traffic? in the |
| 09:54.40 | Qualcuno | case, is it enough to comment out all lines that are about the private network interface? |
| 09:54.54 | foetus | found some useful information at http://www.oreillynet.com/sysadmin |
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| 09:56.01 | handjob | Bye. |
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| 09:57.55 | AlexC_ | morning |
| 09:58.05 | AlexC_ | I'm confused by Debians libevent, does Lenny have libevent >= 1.4.11 ? |
| 09:58.27 | AlexC_ | there is libevent1 and libevent-1.4-2 package, why are there both? |
| 09:58.43 | Iridos | Qualcuno, I don't see the benefit of this at all, if it is not granting additional rights on lo, but just the same as on the internet |
| 09:59.00 | Qualcuno | Iridos: what? :) |
| 09:59.46 | Iridos | Qualcuno, reading that article... where's the point disabling that interface if it only grants the same amount of access to aplications as the other interface? |
| 10:00.51 | Qualcuno | Iridos: I read the article... actually, you are right... my server's iptables is not tied to a specific network interface... but, as I don't use the private interface, I thought it was a good idea to follow that suggestion... maybe I'm wrong, though! |
| 10:00.53 | nsadmin | , versions libevent1 |
| 10:00.54 | judd | libevent1 -- etch: 1.1a-1; etch-backports: 1.3e-3~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.3e-3 |
| 10:01.16 | nsadmin | renamed in squeeze and sid? |
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| 10:01.51 | nsadmin | , versions libevent-1.4-2 |
| 10:01.52 | judd | libevent-1.4-2 -- lenny-backports: 1.4.13-stable-1~bpo50+1; sid: 1.4.13-stable-1; squeeze: 1.4.13-stable-1 |
| 10:01.52 | Iridos | Qualcuno, if you weight benefit against risk... how likely is it that something breaks if you disable lo completel? |
| 10:02.21 | Qualcuno | Iridos: ok I'll not do anything to it then... |
| 10:02.34 | nsadmin | I have the feeling libevent1 is discontinued/deprecated |
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| 10:02.56 | nsadmin | infact you go beyond lenny, and it is GONE |
| 10:02.58 | jelly | AlexC_: there are both, if you include lenny-backports, because they have imcompatible ABIs |
| 10:04.00 | jelly | AlexC_: and because apps from lenny are built against, and use the old one |
| 10:04.31 | AlexC_ | ok - confused then. Currently I have libevent1 and libevent-dev and libevent-1.4-2 installed. I'm trying to compile PHP 5.3.3 with FPM support, which is asking for libevent >= 1.4.11 - so which do I need and from where? |
| 10:04.41 | bint | Iridos let me explain... a friend of mine wants to use this computer via vnc.. but he's somehow not really into command lines and he doesn't want to know anything bout it.. so to use vnc he would have to connect via ssh to the server and start x11vnc each time the server rebootet... so i could just add a line to rc.local and x11vnc would start automatically and he would't have to connect via |
| 10:04.41 | bint | ssh first? right |
| 10:04.54 | jelly | AlexC_: you need libevent-dev from backports. |
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| 10:05.04 | AlexC_ | nsadmin: that could be fun then with it being removed |
| 10:05.09 | AlexC_ | jelly ok, let me try this |
| 10:05.59 | AlexC_ | jelly hum, wait - I already have backports (http://www.backports.org/debian) and libevent-dev installed |
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| 10:06.12 | jelly | AlexC_: is it libevent-dev from backports? |
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| 10:06.31 | nsadmin | there's a reason why it's in backports, it's because someone went to considerable trouble to make it and all the necessary support available |
| 10:06.39 | jelly | AlexC_: or is it the one from lenny? |
| 10:06.47 | AlexC_ | jelly how do I find out which repo it is from? |
| 10:07.08 | jelly | AlexC_: apt-cache policy packagename, and the installed one version |
| 10:07.12 | nsadmin | like always... apt-cache policy <pkgnmae> |
| 10:08.39 | AlexC_ | a ha, it's from lenny not backports |
| 10:09.15 | AlexC_ | ok, so how do I get it from backports? Uninstall and reinstall? |
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| 10:10.43 | Qualcuno | AlexC_: maybe it's not the best idea, but... When I needed an more updated libevent, I recompiled it by myself! (I needed it for memcached) |
| 10:10.46 | nsadmin | after you install, make sure you clean all object files out of what you're building |
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| 10:11.17 | AlexC_ | Qualcuno: backports meets the dependencies I need, so I wont bother with compiling it |
| 10:11.27 | AlexC_ | nsadmin: indeed, though how do I grab it from backports? |
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| 10:11.42 | nsadmin | that's an option, and a good one if you no longer want debian or debian maintainers touching it at all |
| 10:11.44 | Qualcuno | AlexC_: ok, that was just my 2 cents :) |
| 10:12.10 | nsadmin | and "not touching it at all" will also include answering questions about it here |
| 10:13.16 | nsadmin | I do have a section of stuff, where the only way of saying HANDS THE FUCK OFF, DEBIAN is to build it myself |
| 10:13.25 | AlexC_ | do I have to set a higher priorty of backports to be able to install it? |
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| 10:13.53 | nsadmin | but you could also want to stay within the dependency tree and that's ok too |
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| 10:14.18 | AlexC_ | mmhmm I don't want to compile it, just to get it from backportsd |
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| 10:15.58 | xyan | aptitude -t backports install whatever |
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| 10:16.33 | nsadmin | offered to state you have that choice and what it means and what are the implications and consequences |
| 10:16.34 | linis | i had done a "chown -R jayesh /var/www/cellnxt/" for one of my users yesterday. But today it says permission denied when he tries to overwrite something inside that folder. I run that command again and its working properly again. Am i supposed to do this daily ?? |
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| 10:17.24 | nsadmin | linis: either that or find out what is doing it and why it's doing it |
| 10:17.25 | public_ | bonjour |
| 10:17.38 | xyan | linis: depends what he wants to overwrite, asuming a webserver runs there it might have created files owned by www-data |
| 10:18.17 | linis | xyan: but when i run the same command, its working |
| 10:18.18 | bint | i'm using the standard terminal window that comes with debian desktop a lot.. but when i go for dir it shows me files and folders.. but sometimes its hard to see wether its a folder of a file like: home changelog install.sh |
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| 10:18.26 | bint | where home is a folder but changelog is a file |
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| 10:18.44 | bint | can i somehow let the terminal display more information wether its a dir or a file? |
| 10:18.45 | xyan | linis: thats what chown does yes.. |
| 10:19.00 | nsadmin | linis, so, why is the overwrite happening? what is doing it? |
| 10:19.19 | nsadmin | chown is NOT possible if root is not doing it |
| 10:19.20 | xyan | blip2: ls -lp shows a trailing slash for dirs |
| 10:19.28 | xyan | bint* |
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| 10:20.21 | linis | nsadmin: overwrite means my user is uploading a newer updated version of a file |
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| 10:21.08 | xyan | bint: dir -p works as well |
| 10:21.19 | bint | oh cooll thx |
| 10:21.25 | linis | nsadmin, so when he tries to upload his new updated file, it says permission denied. i do another chown and all is fine again |
| 10:21.36 | bint | thas exactly what i wanted xyan |
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| 10:22.18 | b52 | hey |
| 10:22.28 | b52 | which packages covers python easy_install tool? |
| 10:22.47 | xyan | !tell b52 about apt-file |
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| 10:24.11 | nsadmin | the older version of the file, what permissions does it have prior to the new one being uploaded? |
| 10:24.21 | nsadmin | and what owner |
| 10:24.42 | nsadmin | again, if the owner is changing, root is doing it |
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| 10:25.41 | linis | is it like only one person can own a folder/file at a time ? |
| 10:25.54 | nsadmin | correct\ |
| 10:26.00 | linis | ooops. |
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| 10:26.10 | linis | then thats is the prob that i'm having |
| 10:26.23 | xyan | ... |
| 10:26.24 | linis | i was trying to give 2 users the same folder |
| 10:26.36 | xyan | read about acl's |
| 10:26.38 | public_ | here i have a curious issue.. i use vncserver / krdc .. and i have now an arrow with a plus sign as cursor and since i have this plus sign, i have no more keyboard access, any idea ? |
| 10:26.49 | linis | how to have multiple users own folders ?? |
| 10:26.53 | linis | groups ?? |
| 10:27.05 | kwork | linis: yes groups |
| 10:27.27 | kwork | but not actualy own, but you can specify group premissions |
| 10:27.34 | AlexC_ | xyan: thanks, out of interest - how do I do it with apt-get? |
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| 10:27.46 | linis | kwork, create a group and then include the users in that group. and then make the group own the folders |
| 10:27.48 | linis | right ?? |
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| 10:28.00 | xyan | AlexC_: the same way apt-get -t backports install whatever, but you should use aptitude |
| 10:28.06 | themill | hal1on: you've been asked to turn that things off a few times now. Please contact an op when you have done so. |
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| 10:28.38 | AlexC_ | xyan: ah ok. Btw had to changed it to lenny-backports |
| 10:29.14 | public_ | seems nobody knows the answer :( |
| 10:29.31 | AlexC_ | excellent, all working now - thanks all that helped :) |
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| 10:30.42 | public_ | here i have a curious issue.. i use vncserver / krdc .. and i have now an arrow with a plus sign as cursor and since i have this plus sign, i have no more keyboard access, any idea ? ( i wouldn't like to kill vncserver :( |
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| 10:34.03 | xyan | public_: stop repeating yourself, if someone knows the answer he/she will tell you |
| 10:34.25 | Iridos | not very curious... some application hogs the cursor and doesn't release it |
| 10:34.30 | xyan | public_: can you ssh into the machine from another machine? then just do that and kill the vncserver |
| 10:34.56 | public_ | xyan, i dont want to kill vncserver.. some applications working there |
| 10:35.09 | Iridos | you can start killing applications that you suspect of being the cuplrit, but in the end you can only kill the vncserver |
| 10:35.44 | public_ | Iridos, i suppose the "culprit" is the one to manage cursor / mouse.. which is vncserver |
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| 10:36.51 | public_ | Iridos, i suppose some control key + mouse combination changed arrow / mouse pointer appearance with a plus sign... and i don't know how to go back (have access to my keyboard, remove plus sign) |
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| 10:37.20 | Iridos | I would more like think some program switched to some special function and doesn't release focus now |
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| 10:38.25 | hans_ | hi. i have some problems with rsync an awk. i dont know how to go on. can someone help for a kind of progressbar for rsync? see http://pastebin.com/2s2xV0v8 |
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| 10:39.12 | public_ | Iridos, maybe |
| 10:39.28 | xyan | hans_: thats a fairly bad idea since the to-check count changes a thousand times during the rsync |
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| 10:41.54 | hans_ | xyan: why is that bad? every time i get a new line, awk calculates the percentage of the progress. |
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| 10:42.28 | hans_ | xyan: do you have an other idea for a kind of progress bar for rsync in text (!) mode? |
| 10:43.16 | xyan | hans_: if i rsync a folder which contains subfolders with a lot of files the to check count always stays at around 1000 decreases a bit and changes back to 1000 not only once |
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| 10:44.15 | xyan | hans_: estimate the amount of files by calling find on the source dir store it in a variable and then decrease that count with every line of rsync output... would at least be some sort of progress bar which does not take care of large files of course |
| 10:45.50 | hans_ | xyan: sounds complicated |
| 10:46.04 | xyan | hans_: thats why there is not progress bar in rsync i guess ;) |
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| 10:50.13 | hans_ | xyan: why would it be a problem if the line changes very often? Performance issues? |
| 10:51.14 | linis | how to make a group own a directory ?? |
| 10:51.33 | xyan | chown .grupname directory |
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| 10:51.54 | lenswipe|debian | hey guys |
| 10:52.18 | foetus | **foetus give it up. no logging with apache. |
| 10:52.18 | lenswipe|debian | just got a new monitor - 1920x1080 |
| 10:52.21 | xyan | hans_: imagine running rsync on a dir which is about 200gb in size and having 213612213 files in it. do you want to wait a minute for it get the amount/size of files at first just to display a fancy progress bar? |
| 10:52.22 | lenswipe|debian | how do i change the resolution to that? |
| 10:52.22 | public_ | Iridos, killed vncserver :( .. |
| 10:52.23 | hans_ | linis: or chgrp |
| 10:52.28 | lenswipe|debian | it doesnt appear in the resolution list |
| 10:53.03 | linis | i tried "chown -R cellnxt /var/www/cellnxt/" and it said "chown: invalid user: `cellnxt'" |
| 10:53.05 | hans_ | xyan: no. does the --progress switch do that? |
| 10:53.16 | linis | so its chgrp |
| 10:53.50 | xyan | hans_: not really, since its reads each sub directory on its own, and thats why the to-check count jumps up and down all the time |
| 10:53.57 | xyan | s/its/it/ |
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| 10:55.05 | public_ | xyan, first thing before using rsync, i do copy all files, first, and next.. each time i need to.. i do rsync |
| 10:55.18 | hans_ | xyan: so rsync WITHOUT the --progress is faster`? |
| 10:56.32 | xyan | hans_: slightly |
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| 10:56.40 | lenswipe|debian | how do i change the resolution to 1920x1080 or something comparable? |
| 10:56.46 | lenswipe|debian | its not listed in the reolution list |
| 10:56.50 | lenswipe|debian | resolution list* |
| 10:57.09 | public_ | lenswipe|debian, xorg.conf |
| 10:57.21 | lenswipe|debian | public_, yes i know, i just dont know how to confiure xorg for that |
| 10:57.24 | hans_ | xyan: so if there is no difference in the time it needs, why does the awk command slow it down? |
| 10:57.48 | public_ | lenswipe|debian, no lines with resolutions.. like 1024 blabla ? |
| 10:57.56 | lenswipe|debian | ??? |
| 10:58.16 | bint | anyone willing to test my fresh setup ftpd? a friend told me he can't list.. but i can when conection via lan-ip |
| 10:58.21 | xyan | hans_: reread what i said, it does not slow down anything its just all but accurate |
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| 10:58.54 | AlexC_ | bint: why did you choose FTP? |
| 10:59.02 | public_ | lenswipe|debian, look for line / lines like 'Modes "1280x1024" "1600x1200" "1920x1440" ' if you don't find look for examples on the web.; (xorg.conf) |
| 10:59.05 | AlexC_ | what possesed you to do such sin |
| 10:59.07 | bint | because i like it and i need it |
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| 10:59.27 | AlexC_ | bint: so you like that it's the most insane, and an insecure protocol? I doubt you /need/ it |
| 10:59.33 | bint | i used it while traveling to backup my pictures on my server |
| 10:59.42 | bint | i kinda really do like ftp |
| 10:59.46 | public_ | lenswipe|debian, beware before making any changes.. backup your file / xorg.conf |
| 10:59.56 | lenswipe|debian | why? |
| 10:59.58 | AlexC_ | bint: even though your credentials are passed over the vast internet in plain text for all to see? |
| 11:00.00 | jelly | AlexC_: it also works everywhere |
| 11:00.12 | AlexC_ | jelly not on my servers it doesn't |
| 11:00.21 | xdunlapx | shouldn't my xorg.conf be in /etc/X11/? i dont see it there. |
| 11:00.32 | bint | AlexC_ can't i use stuff like SSL for my ftp connection? |
| 11:00.38 | bint | i thought then is secure |
| 11:00.39 | public_ | lenswipe|debian, because you could corrupt it / obvious |
| 11:00.39 | AlexC_ | xdunlapx: recent X doesn't require an xorg.conf |
| 11:00.39 | jelly | xdunlapx: there is none by default |
| 11:00.58 | bint | i always used authSSL or TLS for my ftp connections |
| 11:01.00 | xdunlapx | if i were to make one would it override X's settings? |
| 11:01.09 | hans_ | xyan: oh, then i missunderstood. i can live with that approximate value. but my script i posted does not work correctly. i assume it has to do with the pipe (|). i tested it with echo " 0 100% 0.00kB/s 0:00:00 (xfer#1, to-check=6/8)" and it wokrked. |
| 11:01.12 | milligan_ | I've got a console command that return an integer. I want to send that integer to a php script I have written. The script takes $ARGV[1] as the value, so I would invoke the script by i.e "php script.php 1". $(command | php script.php) doesn't cut it. What am I doing wrnog ? |
| 11:01.15 | AlexC_ | bint: sure, if you like to have the headache of setting up your firewall for FTPS, which is a nightmare. What you want to go for is SFTP - this will give you a very secure connection, and takes 5 seconds to setup |
| 11:01.38 | lenswipe|debian | public_, ima restart with the new monitor plugged in and see what happens :) |
| 11:01.43 | bint | well i dont really care about FTPS i think i did it a hundred times |
| 11:02.16 | AlexC_ | bint: I always advise people to go for SFTP, and slap those that use FTP or FTPS |
| 11:02.28 | bint | :) |
| 11:02.30 | bint | slap me :D |
| 11:02.49 | themill | dpkg, slap bint |
| 11:02.49 | dpkg | strikes a resounding *THWAP* across bint's face |
| 11:02.54 | bint | :D |
| 11:03.17 | AlexC_ | really, consider going to SFTP - it takes very little time to setup and the benefits are huge |
| 11:03.34 | jelly | and it doesn't work everywhere |
| 11:03.52 | AlexC_ | jelly in what way do you mean? |
| 11:04.27 | jelly | AlexC_: there are more clients supporting ftp than scp/sftp |
| 11:04.55 | AlexC_ | jelly so? You install a client that supports SFTP, there is 1 for every platform |
| 11:05.01 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/w' returned no results. |
| 11:05.11 | jelly | AlexC_: give me one for my windows mobile 6.0 phone |
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| 11:05.21 | jelly | in a reasonable amount of time |
| 11:05.22 | lenswipe|debian | hey guys |
| 11:05.28 | lenswipe|debian | public_, seemingly that works :D |
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| 11:05.35 | AlexC_ | jelly as I'm at work, no |
| 11:05.47 | jelly | AlexC_: ftp is already there |
| 11:05.56 | AlexC_ | yes, and so are you credentials for me to steal |
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| 11:06.20 | jelly | AlexC_: you don't control the network equipment needed for that |
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| 11:06.51 | AlexC_ | jelly http://www.smartphone-freeware.com/tag-sftp.html - I can only assume that's for your phone, I don't know anything about that |
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| 11:07.34 | AlexC_ | either way 'sftp windows mobile' seems to be showing quite a few apps. Granted, I have no idea if they are for your version or comaptible, so I may be wrong |
| 11:07.46 | jelly | AlexC_: exactly, I have to browse sites, download and test stuff, while ftp already works |
| 11:08.01 | bint | is there something similar like FXP on SFTP? |
| 11:08.02 | jelly | that's my point. ftp works |
| 11:08.09 | AlexC_ | so does SFTP, if you're not lazy ;) |
| 11:08.44 | AlexC_ | you're essentially saying if your phone came with an SFTP client by default and not FTP, that SFTP works everywhere and FTP doesn't |
| 11:08.46 | jelly | AlexC_: my time is not worthless |
| 11:09.04 | AlexC_ | neither are your credentials and data, unless you really don't value them |
| 11:09.37 | jelly | AlexC_: if all the phones and tablets and desktop and server OSes came with sftp client, then yes, I'd say it worked everywhere |
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| 11:10.10 | jelly | bint: not really, you need to be on one transfer endpoint |
| 11:10.47 | AlexC_ | it *does*, claiming it doesn't work everywhere because some devices don't have a default application installed is stupid |
| 11:11.00 | jelly | it's a fact of life |
| 11:11.02 | abrotman | AlexC_: not everyone has the ability to install applications that support it |
| 11:11.51 | jelly | an ftp client will be present out of the box on more devices than an sftp client, and that's one advantage for ftp |
| 11:11.57 | AlexC_ | abrotman: if that's the case and the restrictions are put in place by the network admin etc, then they should be educated as to why using such an insane protocol is just pure madness |
| 11:12.11 | AlexC_ | no, there is no advantages to FTP, end of |
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| 11:12.18 | abrotman | AlexC_: you do realize that not all admins make their corporate IT policy, right? |
| 11:12.19 | jelly | haha |
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| 11:12.54 | AlexC_ | abrotman: yes, that doesn't mean they have to be mindless drones |
| 11:13.06 | AlexC_ | they can educate their superior and get it esclated |
| 11:13.14 | abrotman | AlexC_: so you're suggesting they violate corporate policy and risk their job? |
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| 11:13.40 | jelly | abrotman: he suggests the users waste their time on a minor technical issue |
| 11:13.53 | AlexC_ | abrotman: no, I said they can be educated, or they (the network admin) can escalte it higher to educate those above them |
| 11:14.06 | jelly | AlexC_: that takes time (and therefore money) |
| 11:14.12 | abrotman | if the user is educated, and they still cannot install the client tools .. what have you achieved ? |
| 11:14.20 | AlexC_ | and so does a breach of security due to stolen FTP credentials, even worse |
| 11:14.29 | jelly | AlexC_: indeed |
| 11:14.42 | abrotman | AlexC_: corporate made that decision, not the admin .. |
| 11:15.05 | jelly | AlexC_: no one's arguing ftp isn't a cleartext weird protocol, just that it has more than zero comparative advantages |
| 11:15.14 | AlexC_ | abrotman: right, so read what I said - the admin can escalate the discussion to their superiors to bring it to their attention which could, could, change their mind |
| 11:15.40 | Flash_ | in the real world, the admin does what they're told to do and covers their arse for when it does go titsup |
| 11:15.41 | abrotman | AlexC_: But some manager will decide it's not necessary .. EoD |
| 11:16.04 | AlexC_ | and some wont |
| 11:16.13 | abrotman | you must have awesome managers |
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| 11:16.27 | AlexC_ | 'some' managers aren't my managers, I can not acount for all |
| 11:16.48 | jelly | bint: if you're the sole user for your ftp server, and are able to control the software on both the server and all the clients you'll use, then go ahead and try ssh / sftp instead. |
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| 11:17.29 | abrotman | in the end, a clueful person understands what it means to use FTP, but they may not have the option to do anything else in their environment |
| 11:17.48 | abrotman | (if they're concerned about security risks) |
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| 11:18.11 | AlexC_ | right, so we've come to the conclusion like I said a while back - there are no advantages to FTP |
| 11:18.35 | abrotman | AlexC_: I'll be waiting for your proposal to stop getting users to click on random links in emails also .. Thanks! |
| 11:19.02 | AlexC_ | that's an entirely different thing and some companies do have policies on that |
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| 11:19.14 | abrotman | just like not installing software |
| 11:19.53 | AlexC_ | no, it's a completely different thing - one you can physicall stop, the other you can't |
| 11:19.57 | jelly | AlexC_: in a real world, there are advantages -- one is, it's available in more places than sftp. |
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| 11:20.29 | abrotman | i can physically stop both .. i can mark all emails with a URL as spam and drop them from the system |
| 11:20.35 | jelly | being compatible and able to access a service sometimes trumps security |
| 11:20.39 | AlexC_ | due to stupid people, which is not a feature of FTP and so not an advantage of FTP but the environment that it's used in |
| 11:21.00 | jelly | AlexC_: stupid people and policy decisions are a fact of life as well. |
| 11:21.03 | abrotman | all websites should be https! |
| 11:21.32 | themill | suspects we've been around this circle enough times now |
| 11:21.33 | jelly | AlexC_: it's a social advantage, not a technical one, if you wish |
| 11:22.11 | jelly | and bint probably won't switch, nor will AlexC_ see the PoV where using ftp is indeed an advantage because it gets things done |
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| 11:30.18 | alcohol | how can I find out more details about my drive without powering down the server and looking at the label? |
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| 11:32.58 | Dewi | alcohol: smartctl can tell you most every detail of drives with SMART |
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| 11:33.11 | alcohol | nah I just want to know some stuff. raid1 is failing. |
| 11:33.17 | alcohol | but I have no idea what is in the machine. |
| 11:33.38 | alcohol | but the casing is not hot swap. so would have to power down to find out, rather avoid that |
| 11:33.39 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 11:33.39 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw, or even dmesg to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! If you install lshw, run "lshw -html > myhardware.html" as root and you'll have a nice HTML summation. See also <myram>. |
| 11:33.46 | bint | jelly yep.. i wont switch |
| 11:34.03 | bint | for me ftp seems to be secure enough with enabled autssl or tls |
| 11:34.12 | alcohol | I like how sftp works out of the box without needing an additional ftpd, cause sshd handles it perfectly |
| 11:34.15 | alcohol | just my 2 cents |
| 11:34.26 | alcohol | and since all my servers require sshd anyway |
| 11:34.34 | jelly | bint: if you know how SSL works and have a CA you trust, sure |
| 11:34.40 | abrotman | alcohol: not all ftp daemons support it .. but we've been around that conversation a few times |
| 11:34.54 | alcohol | abrotman: like I said, sshd for the win :> |
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| 11:35.47 | alcohol | abrotman: thanks for the dpkg info btw |
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| 11:39.42 | jelly | alcohol: [drive details] also, hdparm -i |
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| 11:48.28 | sveajobb | anyone in here had problems with rkhunter on your debian system? I keep getting warnings that certain system files "have been replaced with scripts" such as /usr/sbin/adduser |
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| 11:49.13 | the-dude | sveajobb: what warnings? |
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| 11:49.27 | alcohol | jelly: yeah got it, http://robbast.nl/hw.html |
| 11:49.40 | jelly | sveajobb: rkhunter has lots of false positives, yes |
| 11:50.04 | jelly | sveajobb: be smart about them. File bugs, provide patches if you can. |
| 11:50.19 | cire | I want to start amarok inside a shell without viewing its output. I tried "amarok&", and "amarok 2>&1>/dev/null", both without success... What am I doing wrong? |
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| 11:51.31 | sveajobb | the-dude, [13:47:02] Warning: The command '/usr/bin/ldd' has been replaced by a script: /usr/bin/ldd: Bourne-Again shell script text executable |
| 11:51.32 | jelly | cire: redirections are parsed from right to left. |
| 11:51.40 | jelly | cire: foo >/dev/null 2>&1 |
| 11:52.08 | jelly | wait |
| 11:52.16 | cire | ohhh, didn't know that. Weird. But okay, if it works... thanks |
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| 11:52.53 | sveajobb | REaaally? ... that is good to know jelly :) @ redirections |
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| 11:53.10 | jfbethlehem | !vservers |
| 11:53.15 | jfbethlehem | !help vserver |
| 11:53.20 | jelly | I lied, but it's a good enough explanation |
| 11:53.21 | jfbethlehem | !help |
| 11:53.23 | abrotman | jfbethlehem: ask us instead of spamming the channel |
| 11:53.23 | cire | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:53.31 | cire | I still get messages |
| 11:53.58 | jfbethlehem | abrotman: sorry, just checking the bot to see if it has info |
| 11:54.01 | sveajobb | cire, just do amarok 1> /dev/null 2> /dev/null |
| 11:54.13 | abrotman | jfbethlehem: so maybe you sohuld ask it in private instead of guessing a million times |
| 11:54.16 | abrotman | or ask us what the key is |
| 11:54.22 | jelly | cire: worksforme |
| 11:54.28 | abrotman | !tell jfbethlehem about vserver |
| 11:55.00 | jelly | cire: [13:53] ~ => amarok >/dev/null 2>&1 & [1] 29733 [13:54] ~ => [1] + done amarok > /dev/null 2>&1 ... no messages! |
| 11:55.02 | cire | jelly: sveajobb: amarok 1> /dev/null 2> /dev/null also doesn't work. |
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| 11:55.22 | cire | okay, now with the trailing "&" |
| 11:55.37 | jelly | cire: & shouldn't matter, that's just to put it in background |
| 11:55.54 | cire | again, it doesn't work. |
| 11:56.01 | cire | that's really weird... |
| 11:56.03 | jelly | cire: dpkg -l libc6 amarok |tail -2 ? |
| 11:56.16 | jfbethlehem | I am having some issues with vservers. I'm running several vservers with networked configuration, and I can connect to them from the server and from the net. But I cannot connect from the vservers to anything else...anyone have any ideas where I should start looking? |
| 11:57.03 | jfbethlehem | the command I used is: newvserver --hostname ns --domain lan --ip 192.168.0.11/24 --vsroot /srv/ |
| 11:57.04 | cire | jelly: amarok 2.3.1-1 and libc6 2.11.2-2 |
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| 11:58.31 | jelly | cire: dunno, I have the very same. Could be your shell. |
| 11:58.38 | jelly | !start a shell war |
| 11:58.38 | dpkg | bash sucks! |
| 11:58.54 | jelly | dpkg: correct! |
| 11:58.54 | dpkg | jelly: are you using Windows? |
| 11:59.17 | cire | I am using bash |
| 11:59.21 | themill | burned by the bot.... |
| 11:59.49 | jelly | dpkg: correct! is <reply>Of course, what did you expect! |
| 11:59.49 | dpkg | okay, jelly |
| 12:00.19 | abrotman | jfbethlehem: can it ping itself or the gateway? |
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| 12:00.49 | the-dude | sveajobb: did you check that file with less ? |
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| 12:01.30 | jfbethlehem | abrotman: no and no :( |
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| 12:02.16 | sveajobb | the-dude, yeah I've checked it. It looks legit |
| 12:02.45 | jfbethlehem | abrotman: restarted vservers again...now they do work...wtf? |
| 12:02.56 | abrotman | glad to help! |
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| 12:08.30 | Seraphin | hello everyone. I have a problem on a remote command. I try to execute this line from an ubuntu/debian on a nas (qnap (192.168.42.71)) : |
| 12:08.37 | Seraphin | if (test -d /share/MD0_DATA/Backup//ubuntu/weekly/); then weeklyfiles=$(ls -Ar /share/MD0_DATA/Backup//ubuntu/weekly/); for dir in $weeklyfiles; do echo $dir; break; done; else echo 'ahaha'; fi; |
| 12:08.56 | abrotman | Seraphin: from what? |
| 12:08.57 | Seraphin | the return is : ls: cannot access /share/MD0_DATA/Backup//ubuntu/weekly/: No such file or directory |
| 12:09.26 | abrotman | Seraphin: what does 'uname -r' say? |
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| 12:09.56 | jfbethlehem | abrotman: and it is gone again....no network connection :( |
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| 12:10.00 | Seraphin | but on the qnap, this line works |
| 12:10.10 | themill | There's a special place in hell for people who use ls like that. |
| 12:10.13 | Seraphin | abrotman: root@ubuntu:~# uname -r 2.6.32-21-generic |
| 12:10.20 | jelly | a qnap nas will have a bastardized version of something |
| 12:10.32 | abrotman | Seraphin: so you should be asking #ubuntu, not us |
| 12:10.48 | jelly | or ##Linux or #bash |
| 12:11.02 | Seraphin | ok, thanks ;) good afternoon |
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| 12:17.18 | Winkie | hey guys, i have a lenny system running gnome, i've installed fuse-utils, gvfs-fuse and gvfs-backends etc, but gnome smb mounts are not using gvfs so they are not accessible from ~/.gvfs |
| 12:17.20 | Winkie | any suggestions? |
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| 12:33.03 | kwork | hello, with sudoers file, can you allow sudo with some command and specific arguments ? |
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| 12:35.34 | DogWater | Does anyone have any idea when deb 6 will be released? |
| 12:36.14 | SlayerXP | DogWater: when it's ready. |
| 12:36.35 | abrotman | Sooner if you help! |
| 12:37.06 | bzed | !when |
| 12:37.06 | dpkg | Now! |
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| 12:42.22 | Iridos | Real Soon Now (or never)! |
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| 12:43.35 | dkr | kwork: yes |
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| 13:03.05 | djura-san | \o_ |
| 13:03.51 | Dassu | \o/ |
| 13:05.03 | Iridos | _o_| |
| 13:05.31 | karme | are there still problems to expect with xfs on lvm on md raid? |
| 13:05.40 | karme | with queeze that is? |
| 13:05.48 | karme | +s |
| 13:06.33 | djura-san | themill: So i did like you said me to do. When i got deppendency hell, whille i was upgrading lenny to squeeze, i just manually downloaded kernel and depp's (linux-image-686, linux-base and libuuid-perl packages) and installed them. After that i rebooted my pc and continued my upgrade using apt-get and udev problem was gone. Since you said that you wanna hear what i did yesterday, there you go :)) |
| 13:07.06 | djura-san | now i have squeeze and it's nice.... i used those packages in sid a few weeks ago anyway :)) |
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| 13:11.10 | themill | djura-san: excellent. I'm glad that you managed to get there in the end. lenny→squeeze has a few interesting pitfalls and you managed to find one of them quite convincingly. I don't suppose you have a list of packages that you had installed under lenny or a typescript of the upgrade, do you? |
| 13:11.21 | granquet | hi there, I'm trying to figure out what packages I should apt-get install in order to be able to build a kernel module? it seems linux-image and linux-headers do not provide me with a Makefile in the /lib/module/`kernel`/build ? |
| 13:12.13 | djura-san | themill: no, sorry. Maybe i can check out some apt-get logs (if any) and i can upload them for you!? |
| 13:12.48 | djura-san | should read soon debian reference manual since that could help him a lot (or he thinks so :> ) |
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| 13:13.26 | themill | djura-san: hmm... dpkg logs suck pretty badly for human readability. A rough description of what sort of things you had installed will suffice I guess. I'll see if I can trigger apt into having a spit quite as big as yours in a vm. |
| 13:15.23 | djura-san | themill: okay... I will set up a list of packages that i install (i use them in script so i have most of them in a list :D). That could help. Other than that i have only debian netinstall (stripped down from debian lenny 5.0.5 dvd (gnome)). |
| 13:15.30 | djura-san | give me 5min :) |
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| 13:16.55 | themill | djura-san: ok. I really just need an idea of what packages you have that had udev and libudev dependencies to see if I can get apt into a state where it insists on trying to finish the upgrade prior to being able to do an install. |
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| 13:18.13 | passwordoff | I have the same error during the installation http://www.debianhelp.org/node/8799, but the solving suggested there doesn't working. Any idea? |
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| 13:20.36 | abrotman | are you trying to install etch ? |
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| 13:22.34 | Iridos | that's what I wondered but not dared ask :) |
| 13:22.47 | passwordoff | Lenny is. |
| 13:23.04 | abrotman | and the command you used is? |
| 13:23.34 | passwordoff | debootstrap --arch i386 lenny /target file:/cdrom |
| 13:23.55 | abrotman | shoulod that be file:// ? |
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| 13:24.17 | abrotman | oh, guess not |
| 13:24.20 | passwordoff | no. it works fine and says: Base system installed successfully |
| 13:24.29 | abrotman | or file:/// |
| 13:24.29 | bint | so if i want to install egdrop into a spectific directory i can't do it via ap-get install eggdrop ? i have to go to the website download the file and install manually to the dir i chose? |
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| 13:25.08 | abrotman | bint: right, but you'll ask the eggdrop people for how to do that, not us |
| 13:25.18 | bint | sure :) |
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| 13:25.30 | stew | bint: why do you need it in a specific directory? |
| 13:25.34 | themill | bint: why would you not want to just "aptitude install eggdrop"? |
| 13:25.59 | passwordoff | Then I hit #debootstrap --arch i386 lenny /target --second-stage. And it says nothing. but the next steps of installation require installing a base system anyway. |
| 13:26.11 | stew | there isn't a second-stage anymolre |
| 13:26.13 | stew | anymore* |
| 13:26.46 | stew | afaik |
| 13:27.03 | passwordoff | Anyway this knowledge doesn't help to solve the question |
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| 13:28.41 | slidesinger-lt | Been doing some reading prior to setting up an asterisk server. There seems to be some difference of opinion concerning the use of prebuilt (e.g. deb) packages. Was wondering if anyone has been running the deb package and how it is running. |
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| 13:30.43 | slidesinger-lt | The argument seems to be: "When using asterisk for even a small business, the server, starting with the kernel, needs too many tweaks to use any prebuilt package." |
| 13:31.27 | MrFrood | how do I check what spped my network card (eth0) is set to operate at |
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| 13:31.38 | petemc | ethtool ethN |
| 13:31.39 | abrotman | MrFrood: ethtool or mii-tool |
| 13:31.41 | MrFrood | spped=speed |
| 13:31.45 | abrotman | not sped? |
| 13:31.57 | Iridos | slidesinger-lt, figure out what those "tweaks" are supposed to be and you have your answer |
| 13:32.58 | slidesinger-lt | Iridos: That sounds like a reasonable approach. |
| 13:33.04 | bint | lol how can i delete a file via terminal again? |
| 13:33.36 | jelly | rm |
| 13:33.41 | bint | thx |
| 13:33.43 | Iridos | slidesinger-lt, and bear in mind... |
| 13:33.48 | Iridos | !gentoosmite slidesinger-lt |
| 13:33.48 | dpkg | spends 6 weeks recompiling slidesinger-lt, and when it's all done, slidesinger-lt runs no faster than previously |
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| 13:35.28 | bint | and how to delte a folder that contains files? rm doesn't work then |
| 13:35.33 | jelly | slidesinger-lt: we pretty much just set TZ=1000 |
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| 13:36.03 | jelly | internal company phones run off that asterisk |
| 13:36.10 | babilen | bint: "rm -r DIR" -- you might want to read rm's manpage by issuing "man rm" |
| 13:36.19 | bint | cool thx |
| 13:36.28 | bint | i always forget about "man" sorry |
| 13:37.12 | slidesinger-lt | jelly: That's good to know. Reading can tell you a lot, but actual usage experience is always helpful. |
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| 13:45.01 | slidesinger-lt | Iridos: The difference here is that we are talking about audio and AD/DA conversion and converting from one digital codec to another, etc. And all done on the fly. I found that, when I set up my Ardour box, (digital audio workstation) I could use the package, but I had to build a kernel and turn a lot of things off as well in order to minimize latency issues. |
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| 13:46.44 | mr | hi |
| 13:47.00 | ksk | hi mr |
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| 13:51.53 | mr | helo ksk |
| 13:52.06 | mr | helo ksk |
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| 13:53.53 | freeone3000 | I've ejected my CD-ROM drive remotely as a cool test to show that yes, I'm controlling my computer from halfway across the city. Is there a remote way to uneject it? |
| 13:54.25 | petemc | eject -t |
| 13:54.26 | freeone3000 | Of course. Eject -t. Why didn't I think of that. Sorry. |
| 13:54.40 | greedo | I've been trying for about an hour to setup ssh keys with no success |
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| 13:54.50 | petemc | greedo: its pretty simple |
| 13:54.59 | mooglenorph | greedo: ssh-copy-id? |
| 13:55.03 | greedo | I'm using rsa keys, ssh v2 |
| 13:55.28 | freeone3000 | greedo: I've done it no problem. Generate a public/private key pair, put the public key in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on the machine you want to log into, and then use the private key when logging in (ssh -i keyfile_here) |
| 13:55.33 | babilen | ssh-keygen + ssh-copy-id should be all you need |
| 13:56.08 | MrFrood | Output from ethtool http://pastebin.com/c3fgWqw7 - anybody any idea how I get the card to operate at 100 Mb/s and for the changes to to be permanent? |
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| 13:57.38 | karmic-koala | hi folks, quick one, if a port is open but debian is not listening on that port is that still a security risk (objective answers please), port in question is 8000 and 8100 |
| 13:57.39 | mr | helo |
| 13:58.41 | greedo | freeone3000: I've done that |
| 13:58.52 | freeone3000 | greedo: And the result is? |
| 13:59.05 | greedo | freeone3000: Permission denied (publickey,password). |
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| 13:59.46 | stew | karmic-koala: if nothing is listening its not open. if you mean that it is not blocked by a firewall, then the minimal exposure is that after you are already hacked, hacker could expose something on this port. but at this point you've already lost |
| 13:59.56 | TMM | petemc, I did get the installer to boot in newt mode, but that is completely unusable over serial. But it was midnight by the time I got that far |
| 13:59.56 | freeone3000 | No clue how that happened, since I'm doing literally that exact same thing and it works. |
| 14:00.01 | babilen | greedo: Follow http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/152 and adjust the settings to your needs/wishes -- And make sure that public key based authentication is enabled/supported by the server |
| 14:00.23 | TMM | petemc, so, this evening I'll be trying again |
| 14:00.31 | AlexC_ | karmic-koala: not entirely from what I know - however I think we need to ask you a question; why is it open if nothing is listning? |
| 14:00.44 | petemc | TMM: i found etch installer to be less problematic and the upgrade to lenny painless |
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| 14:01.18 | karmic-koala | stew, thanks for that, that's all i needed to know |
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| 14:05.43 | lenswipe|debian | hey guys |
| 14:05.49 | lenswipe|debian | can someone try this GTK theme http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Strom+Elementary+Gtk?content=129671 |
| 14:06.00 | lenswipe|debian | i cant get it to work, im wondering if its my computer or a broken theme |
| 14:06.22 | greedo | babilen: still no success, this is the strangest thing I've seen x.x |
| 14:07.46 | babilen | greedo: ssh -v -- but I'll bbl .. good luck :-) |
| 14:07.54 | lenswipe|debian | guys? |
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| 14:08.17 | greedo | babilen: thx |
| 14:08.31 | TMM | petemc, etch installer won't start for me |
| 14:08.51 | TMM | petemc, it hangs at 'console handoff' |
| 14:09.14 | petemc | TMM: there are some obp variables you set that help |
| 14:09.19 | TMM | lenny is othe only one that doesn't hang there... sid also does the same thing |
| 14:09.22 | abrotman | don't install etch ? |
| 14:09.39 | TMM | well, lenny 'just works' so I'll perform the install later today and then upgrade to sid |
| 14:10.02 | beardy | What will this machine do? |
| 14:10.03 | petemc | abrotman: there are problems with the installers on some sparc hardware, my 'solution' was to use older installers and upgrade |
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| 14:10.12 | abrotman | ah okay |
| 14:10.15 | petemc | Linux radius 2.6.26-2-sparc64 #1 Mon Jun 21 15:45:39 UTC 2010 sparc64 GNU/Linux# |
| 14:10.24 | petemc | can prolly guess what that machine does |
| 14:10.52 | beardy | meant TMM's. |
| 14:11.00 | petemc | i know |
| 14:11.21 | petemc | i thought id interject anyway |
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| 14:11.46 | EduardeCalibal | Hello. I have a small doubt. If I use "convert -colorprofile CMYK" to generate a CMYK compatible file, I have how test if this work? |
| 14:12.03 | lenswipe|debian | guys |
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| 14:12.34 | beardy | Yes.. thank you. Then we've seen one of those.Not every day I suppose. |
| 14:12.35 | EduardeCalibal | ...to me is the same file. :- |
| 14:12.39 | EduardeCalibal | :-/ |
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| 14:15.24 | Iridos | does it b any chance say "convert: unrecognized option `-colorprofile'"? |
| 14:15.49 | greedo | gawd, still ssh key still fails x.x |
| 14:16.33 | greedo | perms are correct, pubkeyauth enabled, v2 |
| 14:16.39 | greedo | any ideas? |
| 14:16.49 | petemc | !debug sshd |
| 14:16.49 | dpkg | To debug sshd (server), run this as root on the server: "/usr/sbin/sshd -d -p 2222". Then use "ssh -p 2222 username@servername" on the client. See also <slow ssh connect>, <ssh permissions>. |
| 14:18.10 | Iridos | judd, versions gdmap |
| 14:18.11 | judd | gdmap -- etch: 0.7.5-2; lenny: 0.7.5-4; sid: 0.8.1-1.1; squeeze: 0.8.1-1.1 |
| 14:18.27 | EduardeCalibal | iridos, colospace the correct option... |
| 14:19.08 | Iridos | jordanm, but that bug was marked fixed in 0.7.5-2... that's what's in etch |
| 14:19.51 | jordanm | Iridos: it was reopened because it became unfixed again |
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| 14:20.17 | jordanm | Iridos: it was actually just closed again a couple days ago |
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| 14:20.35 | lenswipe|debian | hey guys |
| 14:20.37 | Iridos | jordanm, yes... but you've seen the fix - it's just an option... there's no need to backport anything, just recompile |
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| 14:20.41 | lenswipe|debian | sorry bout that - brown out |
| 14:20.54 | lenswipe|debian | could someone take a look at a gnome theme and tell me if it works with their computer? |
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| 14:21.29 | Mr_Queue | I can't figure out what is causing my T61 laptop running lenny from hard freezing. Running from knoppix is fine. I can't find anything in the logs the very brief minutes I can access them. Ideas? |
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| 14:22.27 | cristi8 | hi, i am unable to use vlc streaming feature with any codecs listed, what package should i install? |
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| 14:24.40 | jordanm | Iridos: your right, edited and compiling now |
| 14:24.44 | jordanm | you're |
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| 14:26.34 | jordanm | Iridos: that doesn't seem to have done it |
| 14:27.19 | ManateeLazyCat | What's your favorites RSS-reader? |
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| 14:27.59 | freeone3000 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:28.52 | GilaWaya | hi.. 1 question.. what is the best distro on the earth and moon? |
| 14:29.37 | EduardeCalibal | oO A evil question. |
| 14:29.57 | granquet | GilaWaya: obviously not debian :) |
| 14:30.01 | jordanm | freeone3000: it depends. for single commands, rc.local is fine, but if you are doing something more advanced or starting a daemon, you should write an init script |
| 14:30.24 | jordanm | freeone3000: details are likely in /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/ |
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| 14:30.32 | freeone3000 | jordanm: Thanks. |
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| 14:30.53 | GilaWaya | oh i see granquet |
| 14:31.01 | freeone3000 | That just has changelog and news... But I suppose I'll write an init. :) |
| 14:31.09 | Cyis | anyone tried installing Lenny on a Arcea RAID controller? |
| 14:31.14 | Iridos | EduardeCalibal, hm, dunno, how to see it, but convert tst.png -colorspace CMYK xx.tif and convert tst.png xy.tif produce two differently-sized files |
| 14:31.42 | EduardeCalibal | iridos, yes, diff, but you know if the second is a cmyk? This is my problem... |
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| 14:31.54 | Iridos | EduardeCalibal, "identify file.tif" should show it (but I see no difference there) - make sure you use a file format that supports cmyk |
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| 14:32.33 | EduardeCalibal | You dont understand my question. I make a tiff, but I dont know if this file have cmyk default format or no. |
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| 14:32.43 | danols | hi all |
| 14:32.45 | EduardeCalibal | I need a form of test. |
| 14:32.55 | iceroot | EduardeCalibal: maybe file is telling you |
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| 14:33.14 | danols | so my apache runs under www-data how do I crate an ftp account for this user - i'm rather new to linux - or I guess I need to reset the password for this user? |
| 14:33.21 | wad | I installed the "calamaris" package (it's a perl program), tweaked the settings a bit, but I'm getting "Couldn't load package NetAddr::IP" errors. I recall perl has some sort of package management tool of it's own... is there a correct debian way to get this perl package? |
| 14:33.31 | EduardeCalibal | The problem is when I send a file to a graphic workshop, I receive back messages about "this file dont is a tiff..." |
| 14:33.42 | EduardeCalibal | Ops |
| 14:33.45 | EduardeCalibal | dont is acmyk |
| 14:34.34 | wad | Hey, I just found something in synaptic package manager.... |
| 14:34.35 | Iridos | might be... I wonder if you actually have a color profile installed |
| 14:34.44 | EduardeCalibal | Yes... |
| 14:34.47 | Iridos | do you have lots of pictures to convert so you need the batch capability? |
| 14:34.52 | EduardeCalibal | I install before to try make this with gimp. |
| 14:35.17 | Iridos | yes... gimp will let you select the profile |
| 14:35.44 | EduardeCalibal | But, gimp dont save cmyk... And, if I open a converted he say "sRGB"... |
| 14:35.49 | Iridos | convert also has the -profile option, where you can provide a filename |
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| 14:36.12 | Iridos | Use identify -verbose to find out which profiles are in the image file. |
| 14:36.20 | EduardeCalibal | Moment. |
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| 14:37.40 | Iridos | look at http://www.imagemagick.org/script/command-line-options.php#profile |
| 14:37.40 | EduardeCalibal | My last jpg say "cmyk" but dont is acceptable... |
| 14:37.47 | Iridos | and use -profile, I guess |
| 14:37.47 | EduardeCalibal | I search another form to test this... |
| 14:38.14 | EduardeCalibal | Thanks. Cya. |
| 14:38.28 | Iridos | EduardeCalibal, use tif - I think jpg can't use those colorspaces |
| 14:38.29 | Iridos | oh well |
| 14:38.33 | Iridos | of course he left |
| 14:39.40 | Iridos | wad, did you install the debian package? |
| 14:39.50 | wad | Iridos, yes. |
| 14:39.59 | Iridos | judd, versions calamaris |
| 14:40.01 | judd | calamaris -- etch: 2.99.4.0-3.1; lenny: 2.99.4.0-8; sid: 2.99.4.0-11; squeeze: 2.99.4.0-11 |
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| 14:40.35 | TMM | beardy, testing my code on BE systems, ostly |
| 14:40.42 | Iridos | Suggests: libgd-graph-perl, libnetaddr-ip-perl, squid (>= 1.1.0) | oops |
| 14:40.52 | TMM | beardy, ang geneerall geekasm-related reasons :) |
| 14:41.11 | Iridos | I guess you that is libnetaddr-ip-perl, that's missing... |
| 14:41.25 | Iridos | the program can function without it, so it's only a suggest |
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| 14:41.39 | Iridos | s/you// |
| 14:42.26 | wad | Iridos, thanks! I put all those you suggested in. |
| 14:42.30 | wad | We'll see how it works. |
| 14:42.31 | wad | :) |
| 14:43.20 | GilaWaya | so many people asking so many questions.. is that debian so hard to manage? |
| 14:43.55 | CoolCold | yeah |
| 14:44.24 | Iridos | I might quote someone who I asked why bathing was so very restricted around Chicago... |
| 14:44.28 | Iridos | or I might just not |
| 14:45.34 | Iridos | if you suppose there's a million debian-users out there, it's not many questions asked |
| 14:45.34 | lelle | how to start debian-installer? |
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| 14:46.28 | Iridos | usually... insert the cd and wait |
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| 14:46.49 | RichiH | someone was offering to bring high-powered wifi cards to debconf, but i can't find the blog post any more |
| 14:46.56 | RichiH | who was it? |
| 14:47.08 | Iridos | not me! |
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| 14:50.51 | lelle | how to start debian-installer? |
| 14:51.05 | alcohol | insert cd and wait |
| 14:51.10 | alcohol | make sure to boot from cd |
| 14:51.22 | Iridos | I said that |
| 14:51.34 | Iridos | he seems to be in write-only mode |
| 14:51.37 | lelle | or else not working? i downloaded debian live standar = cli, and i dont want to make a custom live cd just to install debian easily |
| 14:51.37 | alcohol | yeah I feel like repeating the obvious |
| 14:51.45 | Cyis | I'm having problems with Lenny d-i hanging on "Detecting Hardware" on amd64 with an Areca RAID controller.. but CentOS install works fine ... |
| 14:51.46 | abrotman | the liveCD doesn't have an installer |
| 14:51.51 | alcohol | lelle: live != install |
| 14:51.51 | lelle | i know |
| 14:52.00 | alcohol | lelle: download install cd |
| 14:52.12 | lelle | but i want to run it live too |
| 14:52.26 | Iridos | cake... eat; have |
| 14:52.50 | alcohol | lelle: you cannot run it live, only in replay mode. |
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| 14:53.18 | lelle | yes thats why i dont want to use it |
| 14:53.18 | Iridos | what's the debian-installer package doing? |
| 14:53.29 | Iridos | it's only having share/doc files? |
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| 14:53.42 | alcohol | lelle: then don't install it |
| 14:53.58 | lelle | alcohol but i want to install it too............... dont tell me what to do please |
| 14:54.10 | Iridos | lelle, why do you ask then? |
| 14:54.16 | alcohol | lelle: dont ask stupid questions then :| |
| 14:54.16 | lelle | i ask how to do it |
| 14:54.35 | lelle | its stupid that you can install debian-installer and not using it without rebooting? |
| 14:54.35 | alcohol | lelle: download install cd (normal or net), insert, boot from cd, run installer |
| 14:54.55 | alcohol | lelle: you only have to reboot once |
| 14:55.06 | alcohol | lelle: and you dont need the cd anymore after the reboot |
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| 14:55.13 | Iridos | pete and repeat are sitting on a bench... pete leaves, who's still on the bench |
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| 14:55.48 | lelle | if i reboot the installed program is gone because its not read/write as far as i know |
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| 14:55.53 | alcohol | .. |
| 14:56.25 | Iridos | !wayttd lelle |
| 14:56.25 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, lelle? |
| 14:56.28 | lelle | im using virtualbox, ill try reboot then |
| 14:56.30 | jimcooncat | let's start over, shall we? |
| 14:56.34 | PsychiC | Iridos, the bench ? :) |
| 14:56.43 | lelle | install debian from a debian live cd, or from the debian live standard cd |
| 14:57.08 | darthanubis | do debian users actually deal with crappy fonts in gnome because of the libcairo package not being built like Ubuntu's? |
| 14:57.46 | tarzeau | i don't use gnome :) |
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| 14:58.04 | lelle | i restarted and "fatal no bootable medium found" :/ maybe virtualbox bug |
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| 14:59.15 | lelle | on the default debian install cd, can you move files on the hard drive? |
| 14:59.30 | Iridos | lelle, what you originally asked can be done using debian-installer-launcher but you will probably run into problems |
| 14:59.53 | lelle | hmm ok but its only a virtual computer so no harm done |
| 15:00.08 | jimcooncat | might want to ask in #vbox |
| 15:00.31 | Iridos | and check the cd against the checksum |
| 15:01.02 | lelle | debina-installer-launcher command not found.. btw the fatal error is gone.. |
| 15:01.22 | lenswipe|debian | hey guys |
| 15:01.26 | lenswipe|debian | can someone help me with something |
| 15:01.37 | lenswipe|debian | im trying to get a GTX theme working with my lenny install and it looks weird |
| 15:01.45 | lenswipe|debian | can someone else try it and see if they experience similar issues? |
| 15:01.58 | lelle | gtk? dumb question? lol |
| 15:02.01 | lenswipe|debian | http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Strom+Elementary+Gtk?content=129671 |
| 15:02.09 | lenswipe|debian | lelle, ? |
| 15:02.22 | lelle | its a specific gtk theme? all other works? |
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| 15:02.59 | lenswipe|debian | lelle, other GTK themes work, but not new ones i download |
| 15:03.02 | lenswipe|debian | lelle, http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Strom+Elementary+Gtk?content=129671 |
| 15:03.08 | lelle | then i think you should install the gtk-... wait trying to remember the word |
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| 15:03.13 | lenswipe|debian | lelle, what happens when you install that theme? does it work like the screenshot? |
| 15:03.20 | lelle | oh |
| 15:03.29 | lelle | need aurora, equinox and the murrine engine |
| 15:03.32 | lenswipe|debian | lelle, what happens with me is i get the theme window border but the controls and stuff look like redmond |
| 15:03.35 | lenswipe|debian | ah right |
| 15:03.38 | lenswipe|debian | how do i get those? |
| 15:04.00 | lenswipe|debian | i have a killer wallpaper here and i think it just needs that GTK theme to make it work |
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| 15:05.00 | jimcooncat | lelle: nice simple article about installing lenny on virtualbox: http://japhr.blogspot.com/2010/03/base-debian-install-on-virtualbox.html |
| 15:05.09 | lelle | show me wallpaper :P anyway try install these packages: gtk2-engines-aurora gtk2-engines-equinox and gtk2-engines-murrine |
| 15:05.25 | lelle | jimcooncat thanks |
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| 15:06.01 | lenswipe|debian | lelle, where can i get those theme engines? |
| 15:06.16 | lelle | you can try the ubuntu software center |
| 15:06.38 | lelle | try searching gtk2 engines |
| 15:06.39 | lenswipe|debian | why isnt it in the debian repos? |
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| 15:06.54 | lelle | oh i thought i was in #ubuntu-offtopic :P |
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| 15:06.58 | GilaWaya | yes why? |
| 15:07.03 | GilaWaya | ubuntu is debian? |
| 15:07.07 | tharkun | no |
| 15:07.13 | lelle | ubuntu repos isnt debian |
| 15:07.19 | lenswipe|debian | lelle, lol |
| 15:07.20 | lenswipe|debian | i know |
| 15:07.21 | GilaWaya | then? |
| 15:07.27 | lenswipe|debian | im wondering why those packages arent in the debian repos |
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| 15:07.35 | lenswipe|debian | seeing as theyre in the ubuntu repos |
| 15:07.37 | lelle | you can try enabling the multiverse repo |
| 15:07.38 | GilaWaya | good question lenswipe|debian |
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| 15:07.55 | lelle | but i know for sure its possible to install the engines.. |
| 15:09.21 | lenswipe|debian | lelle, how do i enable the multiverse repos? |
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| 15:09.53 | lelle | or maybe thats ubuntu specific too.. wait |
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| 15:10.25 | xdunlapx | I think the multiverse repo is ubuntu-specific |
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| 15:10.32 | xdunlapx | i dont think there is one for debian |
| 15:11.17 | lelle | open it by running gedit(or whatever editor you have installed) /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment any line which says something like deb.blblablablbl.org lenny |
| 15:11.42 | lelle | theres 3 different repositories as far as i know, lenny, sid and something else |
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| 15:11.57 | lelle | stable, unstable and experimental or something like that |
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| 15:12.26 | lelle | oh and you must run it as root.. or else you cant save the edits |
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| 15:13.07 | lelle | see, linux isnt as complicated as microsoft wants you to think ;D |
| 15:13.31 | amanita_ | Anyone using six-core AMD cpus or dual cpu motherboard with quad-core intels? |
| 15:14.02 | jordanm | lelle: you can recommend "editor <file>" to people as debian used /usr/bin/editor the system's default editor |
| 15:14.25 | lenswipe|debian | lelle, the're all uninstalled |
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| 15:14.47 | jordanm | !tell lelle about releases |
| 15:15.22 | lelle | gives me nothing.. anyway, lenswipe|debian, do you have synaptic installed? package manager frontend for debian |
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| 15:15.58 | jordanm | lelle: what gives you nothing? |
| 15:16.34 | lelle | i thought !tell should give me some sort of information, as in #ubuntu but i suppose that wasnt the point |
| 15:16.47 | jordanm | lelle: you get a pm from the dpkg bot |
| 15:16.53 | lelle | i didnt |
| 15:17.05 | jordanm | he sent it to me, do you have the bot on /ignore? |
| 15:17.12 | lelle | nop |
| 15:17.23 | lenswipe|debian | lelle, yeah i do have it installed |
| 15:17.24 | jordanm | lelle: /msg dpkg releases |
| 15:17.38 | lelle | worked.. |
| 15:17.43 | lelle | hmm |
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| 15:18.07 | lelle | jordanm the sid repository should have it |
| 15:18.40 | lelle | try installing gtk2-engines from commandline with this command : sudo apt-get install gtk2-engines |
| 15:18.40 | jordanm | lelle: should have what? mixing releases is generally very bad |
| 15:18.49 | jordanm | !sudosmite lelle |
| 15:18.50 | dpkg | takes a lump of 2x4 to lelle and yells "This is not #ubuntu!!!1!" |
| 15:18.57 | lelle | jordanm i thought it was safe.. i have been abusing my machine :( |
| 15:19.21 | jordanm | lelle: backporting source packages is considered safe. direct mixing or pinning is not |
| 15:19.33 | jordanm | lelle: if you have not implemented some kind of pinning, you likely run sid now |
| 15:19.36 | stew | amanita_: sure |
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| 15:20.28 | Mr_Queue | I'm having a hard time figuring out why Lenny is hard freezing on my laptop. I have to dig through the logs from knoppix because Lenny is freezing up so quickly.. |
| 15:21.11 | jordanm | Mr_Queue: kernel panics can be very difficult to diagnose. if you have a look at the debian-user list archives, I believe there was a discussion on the subject within the last couple weeks |
| 15:21.23 | homie | where does one set the length of the filling when entering fields in a java enabled website ? |
| 15:21.29 | stew | Mr_Queue: run memtest86 to see if you have bad memory |
| 15:21.34 | homie | especially with mozilla, iceweasel ? |
| 15:21.55 | Mr_Queue | I'm looking at the last few lines of kern.log messages etc for anything that might jump out but I don't see anything.. |
| 15:21.57 | stew | homie: what do you mean by "length of the filling"? |
| 15:21.59 | homie | i can set the characters per field in konqueror but not in iceweasel, is that normal ? |
| 15:22.09 | Mr_Queue | stew: Running from knoppix seems to work just fine. |
| 15:22.19 | Mr_Queue | jordanm: I'll have a look at the list. |
| 15:22.27 | jimcooncat | is there a deb proxy that can handle both debian and ubuntu updates? For example, my apt-cacher got hosed after installing an Ubuntu laptop, but previously a Debian server. |
| 15:22.34 | stew | Mr_Queue: i'd check memtest86, and make sure it isn't overheating |
| 15:22.35 | homie | i couldn't enter the full address on a bank site... |
| 15:22.39 | jordanm | jimcooncat: apt-cacher-ng |
| 15:22.54 | homie | so i had to enter centennial T instead of centennial Tower ... |
| 15:23.08 | jimcooncat | thanks jordanm, I thought it was very similar software |
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| 15:24.10 | Mr_Queue | stew: well I doubt it's overheating.. I run sensors applet and everything seems fine there. I'll give the memtest a run from knoppix.. |
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| 15:26.26 | jaws | Hi! |
| 15:26.45 | abrotman | Run Bond Run! |
| 15:26.54 | jaws | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:27.10 | bzed | wtf? |
| 15:27.40 | jordanm | jaws: your question does not make much sense |
| 15:27.40 | jaws | I want to use antivir for whole network but I dont want to go PC for pC |
| 15:27.41 | stew | bzed: windows trojan filter? |
| 15:28.13 | bzed | jaws: you'll have to isntall some antivir crap on the windows machines, or the next usb stick will eat them |
| 15:28.35 | jaws | yeah |
| 15:28.57 | bzed | jaws: there are various extensions for samba to scan for viruses when files are saved on the disk |
| 15:29.09 | jaws | I think can I use a linux server as antivir server |
| 15:29.10 | tharkun | jaws: you can protect emails using amav on your mailserver if it is a unix machine |
| 15:29.19 | bzed | but often they produce a bunch of problems (like removing user's mailbox becuase there is a virus in a mail..) |
| 15:29.45 | jaws | bzed: that is that I want extensions for check all windows machine |
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| 15:29.52 | bzed | jaws: no. |
| 15:29.59 | bzed | jaws: that doesn't work. |
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| 15:30.14 | bzed | jaws: you can check the data on your fileserver, but not the windows machines. |
| 15:30.22 | jaws | so I need to install each PC an antivir |
| 15:30.23 | jaws | ? |
| 15:30.29 | bzed | jaws: yes. welcome to windows. |
| 15:30.36 | jaws | Can I do this with a server? |
| 15:30.36 | lenswipe|debian | jaws, you could install something like AVG on the server itself |
| 15:30.46 | lenswipe|debian | i think AVG is available for linux |
| 15:30.52 | bzed | lenswipe|debian: and then? |
| 15:31.02 | lenswipe|debian | bzed, then it will scan the linux machine for windows viruses |
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| 15:31.09 | lenswipe|debian | im not saying dont put AV on the winblows machines |
| 15:31.10 | jaws | my problem is not debian is windows |
| 15:31.15 | lenswipe|debian | im just saying its maybe something to do too |
| 15:31.16 | bzed | lenswipe|debian: we've been there. |
| 15:31.21 | lenswipe|debian | bzed, we have? |
| 15:31.29 | lenswipe|debian | ic |
| 15:31.32 | jordanm | jaws: ##windows |
| 15:31.36 | bzed | jaws: installing software on windows machines is completely off-topic here |
| 15:31.41 | lenswipe|debian | bzed, so samba will scan files for viruses? |
| 15:31.44 | jaws | I thoungth use a server to monitoring windows viruses |
| 15:31.53 | lenswipe|debian | can you point me to that im *VERY* interested in that idea |
| 15:32.00 | lenswipe|debian | jaws, oh sort of like SNMP you mean? |
| 15:32.03 | lenswipe|debian | idk about that |
| 15:32.17 | bzed | lenswipe|debian: search vor samba and clamav and you'll find enough stuff. |
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| 15:32.28 | jaws | lenswipe|debian: maybe but that you said is very impresive |
| 15:32.35 | jaws | about samba |
| 15:32.42 | bzed | jaws: it won't help you. |
| 15:32.45 | lenswipe|debian | bzed, hmm |
| 15:32.46 | jaws | to scan files |
| 15:33.07 | bzed | jaws: and as I said, it often results in more trouble than you want to have |
| 15:33.08 | lenswipe|debian | bzed, does it require setting up or is it just an install it and forget it type thing? |
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| 15:33.22 | bzed | lenswipe|debian: it means to know what you're doing |
| 15:33.36 | jordanm | doesn't see how this topic is debian related |
| 15:33.39 | abrotman | lenswipe|debian: you can use clamav to scan your samba/linux filesystems for virii .. i think the clamav website has a few docs about it |
| 15:34.09 | bzed | that still doesn't help against viruses in memory or whereever else... ---> ##windows |
| 15:34.25 | lelle | is there yet some aptitude replacement that also removes all the associative files in ~, its annoying to remove them all manually :( |
| 15:34.32 | jaws | ok,and if I install antivir all windows machine this antivir can actuailze to a linux server |
| 15:34.47 | bzed | lelle: there is not and there will never be something like that. |
| 15:34.54 | jaws | let me see clamAV |
| 15:34.58 | lelle | bzed why not? |
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| 15:35.26 | bzed | lelle: files in a home directory are the personal files of the user. they will not be touched. |
| 15:35.45 | lelle | bzed but they will be created... |
| 15:35.54 | bzed | lelle: by the package manager? that would be new. |
| 15:36.08 | lenswipe|debian | bzed, do you happen to know how to install: aurora, equinox and the murrine engine for GTK on debian? |
| 15:36.09 | lelle | yes its been that for some time now |
| 15:36.22 | lelle | because e17 created .e17 for example |
| 15:36.42 | bzed | lelle: not create by your package manager |
| 15:37.04 | bzed | lenswipe|debian: with your favourite package manager? |
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| 15:37.35 | lelle | uh ok i guess its impossible for a aptitude alternative to do so? |
| 15:37.38 | jordanm | lelle: that was created when you *ran* the application, not installed it |
| 15:37.57 | jordanm | lelle: the package manager would have no way of tracking files generated by an application. those are files that it did not install |
| 15:38.22 | fasidux_ | lenswipe|debian, aptitude install your package or apt-get install your package |
| 15:38.38 | lelle | hmmmmm maybe it can figure it out somehow, on folder name in .config.. but anyway lets move on.. |
| 15:38.54 | jordanm | lelle: .config is used by many different applications |
| 15:38.57 | xlotlu | woohoo. got running poulsbo |
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| 15:39.23 | lenswipe|debian | bzed, fasidux_, its not in the repos - any more ideas? |
| 15:39.37 | lelle | jordanm but not /.config/.e17/ as far as i know |
| 15:39.44 | jordanm | lelle: you could view that is similar as removing mysql deletes your databases and all the data on them |
| 15:39.47 | fasidux_ | search deb package over the web |
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| 15:40.07 | stew | judd: versions gtk2-engines-murrine |
| 15:40.08 | judd | gtk2-engines-murrine -- lenny: 0.53.1-1; sid: 0.90.3-2; squeeze: 0.90.3-2 |
| 15:40.28 | stew | lelle: at least some of them are, some may not be in lenny |
| 15:40.32 | stew | lenswipe|debian: ^^ |
| 15:40.37 | stew | lelle: not you, nevermind |
| 15:40.47 | lelle | ;D |
| 15:41.29 | lenswipe|debian | steffen-, ??? |
| 15:41.34 | lenswipe|debian | steffen-, do i apt-get install that? |
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| 15:43.45 | lelle | lenswipe|debian: yep |
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| 15:44.34 | lenswipe|debian | lelle, k i cant get Aurora to install though |
| 15:44.39 | lenswipe|debian | E: Couldn't find package Aurora |
| 15:44.57 | lelle | gtk2-engines-aurora |
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| 15:45.00 | stew | judd: versions gtk2-engines-aurora |
| 15:45.02 | judd | gtk2-engines-aurora -- sid: 1.5.1-1; squeeze: 1.5.1-1 |
| 15:45.05 | stew | lenswipe|debian: are you running lenny? |
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| 15:45.06 | lenswipe|debian | ty |
| 15:45.16 | lenswipe|debian | stew of course :) |
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| 15:45.33 | stew | lenswipe|debian: then there is no gtk2-engines-aurora |
| 15:45.33 | lelle | was that just me? |
| 15:45.42 | lenswipe|debian | E: Couldn't find package gtk2-engines-aurora |
| 15:45.49 | lenswipe|debian | stew, so... |
| 15:45.50 | stew | lenswipe|debian: its not in lenny |
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| 15:46.00 | lenswipe|debian | stew, so what do i do then? |
| 15:46.05 | lelle | maybe its ned really important for that theme |
| 15:46.16 | lelle | not* |
| 15:46.23 | lelle | just a little bit =P |
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| 15:46.33 | fxiny | i just found this amazing anything.el , there is a handy anything-apt |
| 15:46.50 | lelle | what does it do :o |
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| 15:47.39 | fxiny | anything-apt ? everything you do wit apt , i don't use apt but aptitude , just exploring this el , is huge |
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| 15:48.28 | stew | lenswipe|debian: i suppose you do nothing until squeeze is released? |
| 15:49.15 | stew | does dpkg-dev in lenny deal with 3.0 format source packages? |
| 15:49.25 | lelle | lenswipe|debian: try searching for "elementary" here: http://gnome-look.org/content/search.php , it says on the strom theme page that its a slightly modified clone of elementary gtk theme, maybe you can find another elementary clone that doesnt depend on those engines |
| 15:49.26 | stew | i should probably know the answer to this, but I'm not sure |
| 15:49.31 | lenswipe|debian | stew, or build it? |
| 15:49.53 | lenswipe|debian | lelle, hmm possibly - shame though, its a really nice theme |
| 15:49.59 | lenswipe|debian | could i build that engine from source? |
| 15:50.01 | stew | lenswipe|debian: i'd say backport it, but i'm not sure if dpkg-dev in lenny will deal with the fact that its a 3.0 (quilt) source package |
| 15:50.10 | lenswipe|debian | meaning what? |
| 15:50.26 | lelle | lenswipe|debian: the title bar isnt gtk so i think you can use the strom one |
| 15:50.33 | fxiny | anything-apt -> search -> down comes the list -> pattern typing a couple of letters completion kicks is , completion is a good idea |
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| 15:50.54 | lenswipe|debian | lelle, the strom what? |
| 15:50.55 | fxiny | s/is/in |
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| 15:51.31 | lelle | lenswipe|debian: the theme you linked is called strom, and the theme installation file contains both gtk and metacity theme, and metacity is simply the theme of the titlebar, which doesnt depend on any gtk2-engine |
| 15:51.39 | lenswipe|debian | lelle, lookey what i found :) |
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| 15:51.39 | lenswipe|debian | http://www.megaupload.com/?d=3YWJUFPL |
| 15:51.49 | lenswipe|debian | steffen-, ^ |
| 15:51.53 | lenswipe|debian | stew, ^ |
| 15:52.14 | lelle | lenswipe|debian: yes but how do you know its for your specific debian version? :( |
| 15:52.33 | lenswipe|debian | lelle, i dont :) |
| 15:52.35 | lenswipe|debian | should be interesting |
| 15:52.46 | lelle | =P |
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| 15:54.09 | TylerE | How can I clear the packages apt thinks I want to install? I seem to have gotten stuff wedged where I had a package that fails to install...and now I can't install anything else because apt keeps trying to install the one that won't work |
| 15:54.20 | lenswipe|debian | lelle, it worked |
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| 15:54.30 | lelle | the theme? or the installation |
| 15:54.38 | stew | lenswipe|debian: that package declares no dependencies, which sounds broken to me |
| 15:54.50 | lenswipe|debian | it seems to work |
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| 15:55.01 | lenswipe|debian | ...maybe not... |
| 15:55.08 | lelle | :( |
| 15:55.32 | lenswipe|debian | what was the other one? |
| 15:55.41 | lenswipe|debian | the installation went ahead successfully |
| 15:55.48 | lenswipe|debian | doesnt make much difference to the theme though |
| 15:55.54 | lenswipe|debian | i wonder if i need to install that other package |
| 15:55.58 | lenswipe|debian | what was it called again? |
| 15:56.07 | lenswipe|debian | equinox |
| 15:56.18 | lelle | yes |
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| 15:56.36 | lelle | try install gtk2-engines-equinox again and see if it exists |
| 15:58.46 | lenswipe|debian | nope |
| 15:58.55 | lenswipe|debian | E: Couldn't find package gtk2-engines-equinox |
| 15:59.04 | lenswipe|debian | kicks debian lenny "SCREW YOU!" >:{ |
| 15:59.06 | lelle | then find another random deb :P |
| 15:59.14 | lenswipe|debian | meh |
| 15:59.19 | lenswipe|debian | ima download the source and build it |
| 15:59.39 | lelle | okay |
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| 16:01.40 | Bop | help with genisoimage please |
| 16:01.50 | lenswipe|debian | lelle, dammit |
| 16:01.51 | lenswipe|debian | configure: error: GTK+-2.10 is required to compile equinox |
| 16:01.55 | lenswipe|debian | i can see where this is going |
| 16:01.55 | Bop | genisoimage -b allinone.img -c boot.catalog -o bootcd.iso is giving me an error |
| 16:01.58 | lelle | lol |
| 16:01.59 | lenswipe|debian | dependancy hell |
| 16:02.02 | fasidux_ | anny one know how to stop the splash screen on android ? |
| 16:02.11 | lenswipe|debian | fasidux_, why ask here? |
| 16:02.11 | lelle | lenswipe|debian: then download random equinox deb again |
| 16:02.15 | lenswipe|debian | this is #debian |
| 16:02.18 | lenswipe|debian | lelle, its not a deb |
| 16:02.23 | lenswipe|debian | lelle, its a source build |
| 16:02.33 | fasidux_ | i dont know how to ask |
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| 16:02.41 | lenswipe|debian | fasidux_, you are asking |
| 16:02.41 | lelle | ehemme |
| 16:02.45 | lenswipe|debian | and you're asking in the wrong place |
| 16:02.49 | lelle | fasidux_: join #android |
| 16:02.51 | lenswipe|debian | fasidux_, try #android |
| 16:02.56 | lenswipe|debian | lelle, beat me to it :p |
| 16:02.59 | fasidux_ | ok thank you |
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| 16:23.46 | CodeNinja | is there a way to always specify that backports be used before the lenny version? |
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| 16:24.54 | osfd | Hi there. I'm following the lenny to squeeze help from the bot and so far I installed the kernel (2.6.32). It does not appear in my grub boot choice screen |
| 16:25.02 | osfd | what sould I do ?? please |
| 16:25.27 | atula | I have 4 physical drives hoping to 2 RAID-1 with LVM sitting on top of the raids. in the partitioning drive step in the debian installation, here's what I did: created /dev/md0 for /boot and was hoping to do /dev/md1 for an LVM where I would create other os directories (both md0 and md1 are on the same 2 drives) and the last /dev/md2 to hold another LVM to hold an archive directory. I don't think that's working. Could someone educate me on this issue? than |
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| 16:25.47 | fxiny | osfd: grub-legacy menu.lst ? ad it as usual |
| 16:25.52 | fxiny | add* |
| 16:26.18 | osfd | fxiny: sorry ? |
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| 16:27.00 | osfd | update-grub might do the trick ? |
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| 16:28.26 | bzed | atula: that should work fine... |
| 16:28.37 | atula | bzed: it didn't :( |
| 16:28.43 | atula | saying that I don't have the / directory |
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| 16:28.56 | bzed | atula: when does it say that? |
| 16:29.00 | atula | I guess I couldn't find a way partition the lvm |
| 16:29.03 | bzed | atula: are you still in the installer? |
| 16:29.08 | osfd | fxiny: update-grub should make it ? |
| 16:29.16 | atula | brb. getting fries |
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| 16:30.14 | mattg42 | I just installed a fresh Debian VM and I'm trying to connect to it via port 7993 but I'm getting "connection refused" |
| 16:30.24 | mattg42 | but when I run iptables -L I don't see any rules at all |
| 16:30.37 | mattg42 | is there some other firewall I need to check to make sure the port is accessible? |
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| 16:30.59 | bint | wenn ich "su" mache hab ich root rechte oder? |
| 16:31.05 | bint | wie mach ich das dann wieder zurück dass ich nimmer root bin |
| 16:31.17 | bint | lol sorry |
| 16:31.19 | bint | that was german |
| 16:31.23 | jelly | was? |
| 16:31.24 | mattg42 | seems like it is refusing connections on port 22 as well |
| 16:31.40 | mattg42 | heh... was wondering whether I should be asking in German as well |
| 16:31.59 | jelly | mattg42: is there a service running on 7993 at all? |
| 16:32.11 | mattg42 | jelly: yes there is |
| 16:32.20 | stew | mattg42: what is the default policy for INPUT/OUTPUT? |
| 16:32.21 | sveajobb | bint, yeah you become root user, ctrl+d or exit will lower your rights to normal user |
| 16:32.30 | mattg42 | stew: how do I find out? |
| 16:32.47 | mattg42 | sorry I'm a total Debian newb |
| 16:32.49 | Alystair | hmm I set putty to connect with UTF-8 chars and now borders in applications like Aptitude are messed up and not rendering correctly |
| 16:32.49 | stew | mattg42: iptables -L |
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| 16:33.01 | Alystair | do I need to set somethin on the server end to UTF8? |
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| 16:33.08 | wfq | hi guys |
| 16:33.09 | stew | mattg42: INPUT (policy ACCEPT) (for exaample) |
| 16:33.31 | mattg42 | stew: yeah input and output are both ACCEPT |
| 16:33.45 | jelly | Alystair: /msg dpkg locales |
| 16:34.12 | wfq | there is something that I do not understand. Why do I need to add my non-standard dynamic library path to /etc/ld.so.conf.d when I have actually defined my LD_LIBRARY_PATH for the corresponding user |
| 16:34.19 | mattg42 | hmmm it looks like it might not be listening on that port after all |
| 16:34.22 | mattg42 | goes to doublecheck |
| 16:34.27 | wfq | shouldn't that be enough? |
| 16:34.30 | stew | mattg42: what does "netstat -plnt | grep 7993" return? |
| 16:34.52 | mattg42 | stew: nothing... that's why I think my server is not running properly |
| 16:34.55 | mattg42 | guess that is probably the problem |
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| 16:35.10 | wfq | I made sure that LD_LIBRARY_PATH is loaded and has got the correct path |
| 16:35.13 | mattg42 | I assumed it was running since it didn't complain when I started it |
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| 16:41.31 | magicCarpet | Is there a way to update-alternatives from a script (i.e. non-interactively)? |
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| 16:42.18 | stew | magicCarpet: yeah, look at the -set option |
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| 16:42.24 | stew | err |
| 16:42.26 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:42.34 | magicCarpet | thanks |
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| 17:01.19 | gb__ | ello all |
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| 17:01.28 | gb__ | which version of kde debian has? |
| 17:01.36 | gb__ | i am planning to install debian |
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| 17:02.16 | jordanm | gb__: stable has 3.5 |
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| 17:02.44 | gb__ | ok thanks you jordanm |
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| 17:08.09 | magicCarpet | Has anyone used Grub V2 instead of Grub (legacy) when installing Lenny (debian 5.0.5) ? |
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| 17:10.17 | NappyHead3116932 | greetZ |
| 17:11.00 | jhutchins_lt | magicCarpet: I'm currently booting lenny via a grub2 bootsector from squeeze. |
| 17:11.30 | jhutchins_lt | magicCarpet: Why would you want the complexity and unreliability of grub2 when legacy grub Just Works? |
| 17:11.48 | cahoot | already in place? |
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| 17:12.58 | mertin | hi all |
| 17:13.31 | mertin | hi have sound on my netbook speakers but when I connect headphones the sound mutes on speakers but doesn't come out of headphones |
| 17:13.43 | mertin | tried alsamixer |
| 17:13.47 | mertin | no headphones tag |
| 17:13.58 | mertin | does anyone else have this problem? |
| 17:14.05 | Iridos | no |
| 17:14.09 | mertin | debian squeeze |
| 17:14.22 | rusha | my computer takes volume to zero once i plugin headphones |
| 17:14.22 | cahoot | not usb headset? |
| 17:14.27 | rusha | then i use aumix to set it back |
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| 17:14.39 | Iridos | sounds like hardware... either the headphones broken, or something close to the connector |
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| 17:15.00 | mertin | it works in windows... |
| 17:15.12 | cahoot | not usb headset? mertin |
| 17:15.13 | Iridos | it's usual that the speakers shut off when you push the headphones in, but it doesn't have to do with software at all |
| 17:15.20 | Iridos | hm |
| 17:15.21 | mertin | yes |
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| 17:15.34 | visof | hello |
| 17:15.36 | mertin | i know, thats the desirable behavior |
| 17:15.40 | stew | it might have to do with software |
| 17:15.45 | mertin | but headphones output nothing |
| 17:15.57 | visof | how can write something to cosole by writing something to /dev/console ? |
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| 17:16.18 | GilaWaya | pity u mertin |
| 17:16.20 | pallgone | mertin: use alsamixer? |
| 17:16.33 | mertin | tried it |
| 17:16.37 | Iridos | that would assume that the software detects when the headphones plug in? |
| 17:16.40 | mertin | doesnt list headphones |
| 17:16.51 | mertin | not even when I tell it to show all |
| 17:17.07 | mertin | yes I would assume that since it works in windows |
| 17:17.11 | mertin | I have dual boot |
| 17:17.13 | Iridos | check dmesg output when you plug them in |
| 17:17.25 | magicCarpet | I am switching the kernel from 2.6.26 to the backports.org 2.6.32 (where the devices identification has chagned from /dev/hd* to /dev/sd*) and legacy grub (and debian-installer) still uses the old /dev/hd* in menu.lst |
| 17:17.26 | mertin | sorry i read wrong |
| 17:17.42 | Iridos | should show _something_ if the software detects it and acts on it.. |
| 17:18.01 | stew | it doesn't here when I plug headphones in... |
| 17:18.02 | mertin | maybe the switch is done by hardware, I don't really care, I just want to see a 'headphones' control in alsamixer |
| 17:18.12 | stew | mertin: can you pastebin the output of "amixer" ? |
| 17:18.47 | Iridos | stew, I alwas assumed its a pure hardware thing... so kernel would never learn they're plugged in... the plug just pushes a little button that switches the main speakers off... that's it |
| 17:19.00 | magicCarpet | So I am hoping that grub2 and its corresponding grub2-installer udeb will be smarter about identifying the disk devices in menu.lst |
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| 17:19.15 | stew | Iridos: with a previous version of alsa, when I plugged my headphones in, the speakers wouldn't shut off. then a new driver fixed that |
| 17:19.26 | Iridos | hm |
| 17:19.39 | stew | Iridos: on another machine, when I plug in the headphones, the speakers shut off a second later |
| 17:19.44 | GilaWaya | mertin try harder.. shud be okay |
| 17:20.01 | mertin | http://debian.pastebin.com/uLMrBmp2 |
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| 17:21.10 | Iridos | stew, interesting - obviously there's more than one way to skin a cat... but on that machine, did you see any messages on plugging it in? |
| 17:21.22 | jhutchins_lt | magicCarpet: Never a good idea to mix releases. Legacy grub works fine with uuid or with sdX devices. |
| 17:21.26 | stew | Iridos: no |
| 17:21.31 | Iridos | you'd assume that there would be some output if the driver does that |
| 17:21.34 | stew | mertin: what does "cat /proc/asound/version" report? |
| 17:21.51 | jhutchins_lt | magicCarpet: You really only have a problem if you're trying to boot with different kernels, and in that case you can still just specify it differently in the different sections. |
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| 17:22.05 | stew | magicCarpet: /msg dpkg uuid |
| 17:22.19 | jhutchins_lt | magicCarpet: Installing the newer kernel should run scripts that convert the fstab to UUID anyway, that works for both kernels. |
| 17:22.24 | mertin | Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.21 |
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| 17:22.44 | stew | judd: versions alsa-source |
| 17:22.45 | judd | alsa-source -- etch: 1.0.13-5etch1; etch-security: 1.0.13-5etch1; lenny: 1.0.17.dfsg-4; sid: 1.0.23+dfsg-1; squeeze: 1.0.23+dfsg-1 |
| 17:23.12 | jhutchins_lt | mertin: The switch merely detects the hedphones presence, it's up to the software to do the actual switching. |
| 17:23.14 | CodeNinja | whats the naming convention for putting items in /etc/sysctl.d/ ? |
| 17:23.17 | stew | mertin: you could try .23: /msg dpkg new alsa |
| 17:23.39 | jhutchins_lt | mertin: It depends on the laptop, some have physical switches but most use software switching. |
| 17:23.42 | jpinx-eeepc | I have just installed bluez apparently successfully and I wonder how to get the bluetooth to actually work/switch on |
| 17:23.57 | mertin | I'msorry I don't understand /msg |
| 17:23.58 | jhutchins_lt | mertin: You need to do some searching for your hardware - sound chipset and probably the specific laptop model you have. |
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| 17:24.06 | stew | CodeNinja: read /etc/sysctl.d/README.sysctl ? |
| 17:24.28 | stew | dpkg: tell mertin about new alsa |
| 17:24.31 | jhutchins_lt | mertin: /msg opens a private dialog with another user, in this case the dpkg infobot. |
| 17:24.48 | jhutchins_lt | !new alsa |
| 17:24.48 | dpkg | To compile newer <ALSA> drivers for your running kernel (not applicable to Lenny/2.6.26): first download an alsa-source .deb from http://packages.debian.org/sid/all/alsa-source/download ; install it with dpkg -i ; then run "aptitude install module-assistant ; m-a a-i alsa" ; you will need to reload your ALSA drivers. FTBFS issues with Debian stock kernels on squeeze are resolved as of alsa-driver 1.0.21+dfsg-2.1. |
| 17:25.04 | jpinx-eeepc | /sys/class/rfkill/rfkill1/name has a name and /sys/class/rfkill/rfkill1/state shows "1" |
| 17:25.14 | jhutchins_lt | mertin: So not applicable in your case. |
| 17:25.22 | mertin | im on squeeze |
| 17:25.29 | stew | jhutchins_lt: why not applicable? |
| 17:25.52 | jhutchins_lt | Oh, that's right, he's on squeeze. Multiple threads, sorry. |
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| 17:26.25 | lenswipe|debian | guys |
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| 17:26.35 | lenswipe|debian | can someone point me to a source for themes that are actually compatable with debian? |
| 17:26.35 | mertin | ok thanks a lot I'll try that |
| 17:26.38 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions alsa-driver |
| 17:26.40 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'alsa-driver' was found. |
| 17:26.52 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe|debian: Themes for what, amarok? Pidgin? |
| 17:26.59 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe|debian: mplayer? |
| 17:27.03 | lenswipe|debian | jhutchins, GTK |
| 17:27.07 | magicCarpet | jhutchins_It: Correct, the linux-base package has the compatibility scripts to convert the fstab/mtab/menu.lst to use root=UUID=... but unfortunately, those scripts do not seem to work correctly on virtual machines (I am installing on Citrix XenServer) |
| 17:27.11 | lenswipe|debian | ive been to debianart.org and they're all either for fedora or some shit like that or they're using a theme engine thats only in lenny |
| 17:27.23 | lenswipe|debian | which is actually somewhat retarded |
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| 17:27.39 | jhutchins_lt | magicCarpet: So do it manually. Much better than messing with grub2. |
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| 17:27.47 | CodeNinja | stew: I did... and they dont load |
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| 17:28.10 | magicCarpet | jhutchins_It: OK, I have not have used grub2, and probably won't mess with it |
| 17:28.12 | Iridos | "gtk2-engines-ubuntulooks" |
| 17:28.14 | Iridos | runs |
| 17:28.29 | stew | CodeNinja: they don't load when you reboot? they don't load when you run "sysctl -p" or what? |
| 17:28.55 | CodeNinja | stew: both |
| 17:29.14 | Iridos | lenswipe|debian, does the output of "apt-cache search --names-only gtk2-engines" help you? |
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| 17:29.29 | magicCarpet | jhutchins_It: but since I am using debian-cd, I need some way of it being done automatically ... I guess I could add in a custom deb whose sole job is to lookup the UUIDs from blkid and update menu.lst |
| 17:29.53 | mwarning | Hi, I like to get ffmpeg without restrictions, is there an extra repository I can use? |
| 17:29.58 | magicCarpet | hate duplicating the work being done by linux-base, tho |
| 17:29.59 | lenswipe|debian | Iridos, yeah it gets me 1 gtk engine - aroura, which none of the themes seem to really need |
| 17:30.20 | jhutchins_lt | magicCarpet: Not sure what you mean exactly, I'd just rplace /dev/hd<foo> with /dev/sd<foo> and go. |
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| 17:30.54 | magicCarpet | /dev/hdb may become /dev/sda or /dev/sdb |
| 17:31.02 | jhutchins_lt | magicCarpet: UUID's don't exist unless generated, but the only reason for them is to allow booting to both kernels. |
| 17:31.16 | jhutchins_lt | magicCarpet: No, it will become /dev/sdb. |
| 17:31.18 | stew | CodeNinja: yeah, it looks like sysctl -p isn't expected to load them, but "/etc/init.d/procps restart" should |
| 17:31.22 | jordanm | !tell mwarning about dmm |
| 17:31.38 | CodeNinja | stew: but shouldnt sysctl -p still show them after a reboot? |
| 17:31.47 | stew | CodeNinja: no |
| 17:31.51 | CodeNinja | >.> |
| 17:32.07 | lenswipe|debian | Iridos, i dont see why people have just stopped making normal GTK themes and started making ones that nobody can use yet |
| 17:32.10 | lenswipe|debian | its utterly stupid |
| 17:32.12 | stew | CodeNinja: sysctl -p only looks at /etc/sysctl.conf, have a look at the procps init script |
| 17:32.39 | CodeNinja | stew: I understand that, but if I added them to sysctl.d/openvz.conf and rebooted, shouldnt sysctl -p have seen them? |
| 17:32.55 | stew | CodeNinja: no, sysctl -p only looks at what is in /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 17:33.12 | stew | CodeNinja: have you looked in /proc/sys to see if the settings were made? |
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| 17:33.50 | magicCarpet | I am pretty sure I have seen /dev/hdb1 from 2.6.26 show up as /dev/sda1 under 2.6.32 (running on XenServer) |
| 17:34.15 | CodeNinja | stew: oh, I get it now I see what sysctl -p is doing |
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| 17:34.21 | CodeNinja | thats a weird way to do it >.> |
| 17:34.30 | CodeNinja | but yes the changes did take affect now that I am looking |
| 17:34.31 | stew | doesn't seem weird at all to me |
| 17:34.44 | stew | -p is to make changes, not to report on past changes |
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| 17:37.58 | jim--- | Can I delete /var/cache/apt/archives with impunity? |
| 17:38.01 | jim--- | I need to free up some disk |
| 17:38.15 | stew | jim---: "aptitude clean" will clean it up for you |
| 17:38.28 | jim--- | cool I'll read up on that, thanks |
| 17:38.29 | stew | jim---: you should always be able to delete files in /var/cache, but not necessarily directories |
| 17:39.10 | jim--- | bam! easy as pie, thanks |
| 17:39.19 | stew | bam! your welcome! |
| 17:39.37 | jim--- | stew: I would agree based on what cache *should* mean, but people don't always do the right thing :p |
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| 17:40.27 | stew | jim---: well, if you discover a debian package not doing the right thing, we'd consider it a release critical bug, this requirement is pretty explicit in the FHS |
| 17:40.39 | mwarning | jordanm, thanks, that's what I was looking for. But after adding the keyring and repository, I can't find a ffmpeg-extra package in the db. Do you have an idea what could be wrong? |
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| 17:41.12 | jordanm | is still trying to descide if he should file policy violation RC bugs on an RFA package... |
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| 17:41.53 | jordanm | on one hand it violates policy... on the other, squeeze likely will ship without the software if the bugs are filed |
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| 17:43.14 | mwarning | jordanm, nvm, works now |
| 17:43.19 | mwarning | thanks :) |
| 17:43.21 | stew | jordanm: please file |
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| 17:44.56 | jordanm | stew: FHS compliance is in policy for a reason, and all packages should comply with it.. but I find it hard to drop it from a release because of that |
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| 17:45.02 | stew | jordanm: it could still get a freeze exception or a squeeze-ignore tag |
| 17:45.14 | jordanm | stew: although... it also appears to link openssl without a GPL exception, which is a bigger issue |
| 17:45.22 | jordanm | stew: ah, I didn't think about that |
| 17:45.22 | jhutchins_lt | Are we talking about an actual FHS violation here, or a theoretical one? |
| 17:46.12 | jordanm | its a questionable one. "config" files that are not really config files. in this case, lists of mac address and vendors and other ascii data that a user would not modify, if anything, replace with a newer version |
| 17:47.23 | tracy69 | does anyone know why debian is better than Ubuntu ? |
| 17:47.35 | jordanm | !tell tracy69 about why debian |
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| 17:51.38 | jordanm | stew: jhutchins_lt: example "config" file: http://linuxgen.com/oui.txt |
| 17:52.11 | jordanm | the new version actually drops binary data in /etc as well... |
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| 17:53.03 | stew | looks like it probably belongs in /usr/share |
| 17:53.03 | jordanm | yep |
| 17:53.20 | jordanm | I have been working at making that happen, as I have filed the ITP for adoption on the new version, but the existing one is still bad |
| 17:53.57 | stew | excellent, it looks like 6 different packages include that file |
| 17:54.10 | mertin | restarting alsa is done with /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart? |
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| 17:55.16 | jordanm | stew: the package in question here is ntop. I looked at how there were copies of that file, and I do not see a logical way of putting that in a seperate package for all those packages to use |
| 17:55.17 | lenswipe|debian | could someone help me find debian themes that are actually compatable with debian and dont rely on loads of stuff that isnt out yet? |
| 17:55.50 | jordanm | stew: there is also the same with etter.finger.os, which is in ettercap-common, but Depends on ettercap-common for that one file seems kind of crazy |
| 17:56.02 | stew | arpalert is another that has it in /etc |
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| 17:57.04 | jordanm | lenswipe|debian: i use this in both xfce and gnome: http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/SlicknesS?content=71993 |
| 17:57.13 | lenswipe|debian | Jordan_U_, thanks |
| 17:57.17 | lenswipe|debian | jordanm, thanks |
| 17:57.31 | jordanm | lenswipe|debian: http://linuxgen.com/debian/Screenshot-19.png |
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| 17:57.46 | lenswipe|debian | jordanm, im in love thank you |
| 17:57.54 | lenswipe|debian | :) |
| 17:58.01 | xand | bless |
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| 17:58.59 | cusco | hi |
| 17:59.11 | edju | prinitng works, but not from the cli. "lpr filename" doesn't work, and lpq says destination not available. I do not have lpr isnattled, but isn't that lp stuff a part of cups-bsd, which I have? |
| 17:59.18 | cusco | mysql-server in my.conf has a section that intitulates itself as a debian improvement |
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| 17:59.24 | cusco | error log is redirected to syslog |
| 17:59.36 | edju | isnattled > installed |
| 17:59.41 | cusco | can I still, use the flag log-error=bla.log ?? |
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| 18:00.10 | jordanm | edju: I always just use "lp". eg. lp -d <printer> <file> |
| 18:00.49 | lenswipe|debian | jordanm, the controls dont seem to work though |
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| 18:00.57 | jordanm | lenswipe|debian: what controls? |
| 18:01.09 | Cisien | is it possible to set up grub on a software raid device? (/dev/md0)? |
| 18:01.10 | lenswipe|debian | the GTK cont.....lemme show you |
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| 18:02.09 | lenswipe|debian | jordanm, scratch that it is working now |
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| 18:03.02 | Mr_Queue | stew: That memtest86 is about finished, so far as I can tell everything seems to be working out. |
| 18:03.50 | edju | Jordanm, Thanks. lp didn't work, either - but it suddenly occurred to me that I'd failed to set the printer as the default in cups. did that, and now lp works. Thanks. |
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| 18:04.09 | jordanm | edju: np |
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| 18:07.18 | mertin | stew: the new alsa module worked like a charm |
| 18:07.19 | mertin | thanks a lot |
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| 18:07.34 | mertin | now I have sound on speakers and headphones as required |
| 18:08.05 | mertin | and of course now I see 'headphones' in alsamixer |
| 18:08.28 | mertin | that module-assistant is a powerful tool |
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| 18:09.06 | stew | mertin: cool! |
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| 18:09.16 | mertin | yeah! |
| 18:09.17 | Cisien | debian-testing-amd64-CD-1.iso is failing to download from BT. "Failure: Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker" |
| 18:09.29 | mertin | now I'd like to undertand what I just did :P |
| 18:09.33 | mertin | whats the meaning of |
| 18:09.35 | mertin | m-a a-i alsa |
| 18:09.45 | mertin | not sure where to look it up |
| 18:10.12 | Cisien | http://bttracker.debian.org:6969/announce |
| 18:10.28 | stew | Mr_Queue: hmm, well what you are describing certainly sounds like a hardware problem |
| 18:11.31 | Mr_Queue | stew: Yeah I believe it all started happening after the latest kernel update.. |
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| 18:15.27 | lelle | how to remove all packages/programs that start with xfce4 or is a part of the xfce4 suit? |
| 18:17.12 | jordanm | lelle: aptitude remove '~nxfce4.*' |
| 18:17.35 | lelle | thanks, can you use purge instead? |
| 18:17.40 | jordanm | if you installed via the meta-package, removing the metapackage should be fine |
| 18:17.41 | jordanm | yes |
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| 18:18.01 | lenswipe|debian | hey guys |
| 18:18.08 | lenswipe|debian | anyone know why emerald theme manager isnt in the repos? |
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| 18:18.25 | stew | you could also use '~sxfce' for "xfce section" instead of relying on them having 'xfce' in the name |
| 18:18.42 | jordanm | lenswipe|debian: it is, but IIRC, it didn't make it in time for lenny |
| 18:18.43 | lenswipe|debian | also i cant get avant window navigator to work |
| 18:18.49 | stew | lenswipe|debian: perhaps because nobody has volunteered to package it |
| 18:18.52 | jordanm | pretty sure I backported it... |
| 18:18.53 | lenswipe|debian | jordanm, i see |
| 18:18.58 | jordanm | ,versions emerald |
| 18:19.00 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'emerald' was found. |
| 18:19.11 | jordanm | alright... I compiled upstream I suppose |
| 18:19.12 | lenswipe|debian | jordanm, i have avant window navigator installed, when i try and start it, it just crashes out |
| 18:19.23 | jordanm | lenswipe|debian: pastebin the errors |
| 18:19.29 | lenswipe|debian | i dont get an error |
| 18:19.34 | lenswipe|debian | a window breifly appears under the applications menu and disappears |
| 18:19.37 | lenswipe|debian | thats all that happens |
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| 18:20.05 | jordanm | lenswipe|debian: start it from a terminal |
| 18:20.13 | lenswipe|debian | how? |
| 18:20.17 | lenswipe|debian | whats the command? |
| 18:20.34 | lenswipe|debian | sh: avantwindownavigator: command not found |
| 18:20.38 | jordanm | lenswipe|debian: dpkg -L <package name> |
| 18:20.41 | lenswipe|debian | ok |
| 18:20.46 | stew | (| grep bin) |
| 18:20.50 | simonrvn | try with hyphens |
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| 18:21.07 | simonrvn | or use your tab key... |
| 18:21.20 | jordanm | yeah, looks like avan[tab] would have done it on my machine |
| 18:21.21 | lenswipe|debian | aha! |
| 18:21.28 | lenswipe|debian | Error: Screen isn't composited. Please run compiz (-fusion) or another compositing manager. |
| 18:21.31 | lenswipe|debian | id say that makes sense |
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| 18:22.34 | hjb | hi. got trouble with my dvd recorder: |
| 18:22.36 | hjb | http://paste.debian.net/87366 |
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| 18:22.47 | hjb | it doesn't seem to be a recorded any more ;) |
| 18:22.53 | hjb | any idea? |
| 18:23.02 | hjb | haven't burned anything since quite some time |
| 18:23.03 | lenswipe|debian | jordanm, i have compiz intalled but it isnt being listed in any of the menus |
| 18:23.22 | ElDiabolo | How do I get debuild to pass -j2 to make? |
| 18:23.35 | jordanm | lenswipe|debian: look at the compiz page on the wiki, it has instructions for starting it at login to replace metacity (IIRC) |
| 18:24.05 | jordanm | ElDiabolo: add it to debian/rules? |
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| 18:24.13 | lenswipe|debian | jordanm, but i mean i cant start it manually either |
| 18:24.16 | lenswipe|debian | i cant find the damn thing |
| 18:24.17 | lenswipe|debian | where is it? |
| 18:25.02 | Cisien | will grub2 (in squeeze) boot from a software raid device (/dev/md0)? |
| 18:25.32 | ElDiabolo | jordanm, bit uncomfortable, its someone elses package. Bur thanks. |
| 18:25.38 | jordanm | lenswipe|debian: please read the wiki page |
| 18:25.47 | jordanm | ElDiabolo: do you plan to upload it? |
| 18:26.03 | jordanm | if its your local machine, you can change whatever you want... |
| 18:26.22 | lenswipe|debian | jordanm, i fixed it |
| 18:26.43 | ElDiabolo | jordanm, no, by know I am just testing it. In the long run I may become a comaintainer. |
| 18:26.55 | ElDiabolo | s/know/now/ |
| 18:27.22 | lelle | is /usr/share/doc important? can i delete it? |
| 18:27.39 | jordanm | lelle: yes, it contains the documentation for all your software |
| 18:27.50 | lelle | also mans? |
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| 18:28.11 | Iridos | no |
| 18:28.16 | lelle | nice |
| 18:29.26 | jordanm | lelle: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#USRSHAREARCHITECTUREINDEPENDENTDATA |
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| 18:30.19 | lelle | linux filesystem should be more self explanatory tbh |
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| 18:30.41 | nsadmin | what should a filesystem explain? |
| 18:30.53 | hjb | files? directories? |
| 18:31.01 | Iridos | life, universe and everything... |
| 18:31.11 | lelle | lets do like windows and pack everything into /windows/system24 |
| 18:31.33 | nsadmin | 42 - life - universe |
| 18:31.39 | lelle | system42 |
| 18:31.45 | fxiny | a filesystem is too small , use emacs :P |
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| 18:34.13 | stew | lelle: perhaps what you are looking for is /msg dpkg fhs |
| 18:34.46 | jordanm | stew: already linked to |
| 18:34.53 | jimcooncat | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:35.08 | stew | ahh, bon |
| 18:35.16 | jordanm | lelle: files are placed based on what they do in linux, not the company that produced the software |
| 18:35.18 | lelle | but its still not really self explanatory |
| 18:35.30 | lelle | theres like 3 directories for lib and 4 for hardware etc lol |
| 18:35.39 | lelle | 50 for configs |
| 18:35.46 | stew | lelle: which 3 directories for lib? |
| 18:35.49 | jordanm | there is 1 dir for configs, /etc |
| 18:35.53 | lelle | ok slight exageration |
| 18:35.57 | jordanm | one heirachy I should say |
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| 18:36.23 | stew | jordanm: lies, there is /usr/local/etc and /opt! :) |
| 18:36.46 | stew | lelle: did you look at the fhs document? it does a pretty good job of explaining |
| 18:37.16 | lelle | looking at it right now but its 1000 lines of something i wont ever understand :( |
| 18:37.24 | jordanm | stew: bah, according to fhs /opt installed files should use /etc/opt! :) |
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| 18:37.49 | jordanm | lelle: that document really spells things out... |
| 18:38.22 | jordanm | excellent for reading and for reference |
| 18:39.03 | themill | brilliant cure for insomnia too! |
| 18:39.10 | lelle | whats the difference between /mnt and /media? only partitions in /mnt? |
| 18:39.19 | lelle | and devices in /media |
| 18:40.38 | Cisien | removable media vs ? maybe |
| 18:40.40 | stew | lelle: typically /mnt is for you to mount things by hand temporarily. /media is where removable media will be automounted for you |
| 18:40.45 | lelle | more whining.. theres both /sbin and /usr/bin |
| 18:41.05 | Cisien | there's also /usr/sbin and /bin |
| 18:41.06 | stew | lelle: /sbin /usr/sbin is for root, /bin, /usr/bin is for everybody |
| 18:41.17 | jordanm | lelle: will you actually read the article? it seems that the difference is obvious even from the short descriptions |
| 18:41.32 | lelle | but still two bin directories |
| 18:41.36 | stew | lelle: /sbin, /bin tries to be only the minimal amount of stuff you might need in order to get /usr where the bulk of stuff is install mounted |
| 18:42.23 | stew | and that distinction is made so that perhaps (although it rarely happens in practice) /usr should be a shared drive |
| 18:42.30 | lelle | does everything in /sbin exist in /usr/sbin? |
| 18:42.33 | stew | no |
| 18:42.38 | stew | hopefully nothing |
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| 18:44.06 | lelle | .. /root should contain sbin and bin imho :/ |
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| 18:44.51 | stew | you might want /root to be private and /sbin to be public. many people probably create a /root/bin as needed |
| 18:45.05 | jordanm | lelle: it is not uncommon for an admin to chmod 700 /root. placing /bin in there would make a lot of very unhappy users |
| 18:45.58 | jordanm | in fact, RHEL systems come like that by default |
| 18:46.04 | jimcooncat | shouldn't custom scripts be in /usr/local/bin? |
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| 18:46.40 | stew | jimcooncat: yeah, /usr/local/bin for systemwide, /usr/local/sbin for admin's systemwide, ~/bin for "just for me" |
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| 18:47.04 | jimcooncat | thanks stew. I'm trying to get a handle on the finer points |
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| 18:48.06 | atula | bzed: hi there. sorry about leaving in a rush earlier. |
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| 18:48.27 | atula | I have 4 physical drives hoping to 2 RAID-1 with LVM sitting on top of the raids. in the partitioning drive step in the debian installation, here's what I did: created /dev/md0 for /boot and was hoping to do /dev/md1 for an LVM where I would create other os directories (both md0 and md1 are on the same 2 drives) and the last /dev/md2 to hold another LVM to hold an archive directory. I don't think that's working. Could someone educate me on this issue? than |
| 18:48.31 | lelle | there still should be a different hiarchy |
| 18:48.34 | atula | that was my issue |
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| 18:49.28 | Kzim | hi |
| 18:49.32 | stew | lelle: for what? or do you mean scrap the whole thing? |
| 18:49.54 | lelle | stew im afraid so :( |
| 18:49.56 | Kzim | when i accept a ssl cert where is it store please ? |
| 18:50.21 | thewanderer1 | Kzim: it really depends on the application, it seems |
| 18:50.42 | Kzim | for exempel when i do a svn ls https://<url> |
| 18:51.01 | thewanderer1 | in memory, I'd guess |
| 18:51.08 | Kzim | thewanderer1, i changed the ssl cert and i still have the old cert on some box :( |
| 18:51.23 | Kzim | thewanderer1, how can i delete them to get a new one ? |
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| 18:51.54 | thewanderer1 | Kzim: I do not really know if subversion maintains a cache, you should try using `find` looking for some .cert, .crt files |
| 18:52.13 | Kzim | thanks i'll try that |
| 18:52.19 | wfq | hi guys |
| 18:52.30 | stew | lelle: perhaps you'd like gobolinux then |
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| 18:53.02 | lelle | been there but forgot it :o |
| 18:53.04 | hyperutz- | 200 PORT command successful. Consider using PASV. |
| 18:53.05 | hyperutz- | 550 Failed to open file. |
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| 18:53.08 | hyperutz- | anyone who can help ? |
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| 18:54.25 | pengwen | how do i find out when a user last logged in? |
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| 18:54.36 | nooper | `lastlog` |
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| 18:55.08 | pengwen | nooper: thanks :) |
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| 18:55.22 | nooper | or, `last` |
| 18:55.24 | stew | hyperutz-: sounds like you need to use passive mode |
| 18:55.44 | hjb | noone here who can help me with my lil dvd prob? |
| 18:56.00 | hjb | what has happend to this channel this i've been on last time ^^ |
| 18:56.02 | hyperutz- | stew, but on passive mode |
| 18:56.13 | hyperutz- | shall i open another port for the vsftpd |
| 18:56.20 | hyperutz- | besides 20 and 21 |
| 18:56.21 | hyperutz- | ? |
| 18:56.23 | thewanderer1 | hyperutz-: yes |
| 18:56.23 | stew | no |
| 18:56.28 | hyperutz- | yes? |
| 18:56.35 | hyperutz- | i saw on some forum |
| 18:56.35 | stew | thewanderer1: why? |
| 18:56.36 | lelle | is gobolinux really a distrobution? |
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| 18:56.51 | lelle | isnt its like another unix .. thingy |
| 18:56.53 | hyperutz- | that there is a directive "PassivePorts x y" |
| 18:56.53 | thewanderer1 | stew: FTP still uses arbitrary ports, just on the server not client... |
| 18:57.05 | stew | lelle: http://www.gobolinux.org/ or #gobolinux |
| 18:57.15 | lelle | stew yep |
| 18:57.30 | lelle | but it says its linux :( |
| 18:57.56 | lelle | linux kernel okay nvm |
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| 18:58.00 | bjv | im a little confused, - i installed the kbuild package for this 2.6.26 kernel |
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| 18:58.16 | hyperutz- | stew, thewanderer1 ? |
| 18:58.23 | bjv | still no /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build/ directory |
| 18:58.26 | hyperutz- | any solutions? |
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| 18:58.41 | thewanderer1 | hyperutz-: I haven't configured that thing for a long time. do you really have to use FTP? |
| 18:58.46 | thewanderer1 | !ftp must die |
| 18:58.46 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie . If you really just want to provide anonymous download of files, use HTTP: http://daniel.haxx.se/docs/ftp-vs-http.html |
| 18:58.58 | stew | bjv: the build directory comes with the -headers package |
| 18:58.58 | hyperutz- | yes :( |
| 18:58.59 | bjv | where do the module building kbuild files come from, for the running kernel? |
| 18:59.17 | stew | bjv: linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 18:59.27 | lenswipe|debian | jordanm, you know that theme you linked me to earlier? |
| 18:59.32 | thewanderer1 | hyperutz-: then why do you need a firewall? |
| 18:59.42 | lenswipe|debian | jordanm, do you know of a good icon set to go with it |
| 18:59.53 | bjv | stew: doh |
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| 19:01.02 | johnfg | hi guys |
| 19:01.09 | lelle | lenswipe|debian: theres elementary icon set, which is almost specifically designed for elementary, which the theme you posted is based on.. |
| 19:01.15 | lelle | and it looks good |
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| 19:02.21 | bjv | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:02.24 | johnfg | Is there a way to be able to access computers connected to an adsl modem,and on the subnet, 192.168.0.<1-4>? |
| 19:02.40 | stew | BAM! |
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| 19:02.47 | bjv | now to do something more complex then printing to KERN_INFO |
| 19:02.50 | nooper | BAM? |
| 19:02.56 | AimHere | johnfg, Probably. Check your router settings. |
| 19:03.14 | johnfg | I had to replace the adsl modem/router, and I can't use the actual modem IP |
| 19:03.39 | johnfg | AimHere, Pretty vague, that's why I'm asking here of you smart folks :-) |
| 19:03.51 | AimHere | johnfg what exactly is it you're trying to do? |
| 19:04.10 | thewanderer1 | johnfg: this is a networking question, you know. you just need a path and a route to the destination... |
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| 19:05.30 | Nick3 | I usually install a .DEB on ubuntu using gdebi, how do I install it on Debian? |
| 19:05.42 | thewanderer1 | Nick3: man dpkg |
| 19:05.52 | johnfg | thewanderer1, fyi i'm running lenny, and did much access of my office from home. Should I ask somewhere else? |
| 19:05.53 | Nick3 | I tried 'dpkg -i filenam.deb' but it complained about dependencies |
| 19:06.05 | AimHere | Get the dependencies and try again |
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| 19:06.12 | thewanderer1 | Nick3: that's just how it works :) |
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| 19:06.16 | AimHere | apt-get, aptitude and synaptic are the three main tools for that |
| 19:06.18 | Nick3 | AimHere, there is no automatic dependency resolution? |
| 19:06.45 | thewanderer1 | Nick3: you use aptitude or apt-get or synaptic or other apt frontend for that. |
| 19:06.45 | bjv | does a stock debian kernel dump debugging messages, or is there a key i can press after it panics to make it? |
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| 19:06.57 | johnfg | I used Remote Desktop Viewer, so vnc and the actual ip of the modem. |
| 19:07.27 | johnfg | Since the computers are on a subnet I'm not sure what I do to access them. |
| 19:07.44 | AimHere | Right, so you're trying to vnc from outside the subnet to a machine on the inside? |
| 19:07.46 | Nick3 | the-dude, I tried 'apt-get install lsb' but then apt-get complains about unmet dependencies |
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| 19:07.48 | stew | Nick3: you can use gdebi on debian as well. the alternative is to run "dpkg -i foo.deb" which fails due to dependencies, then follow it with "aptitude -f install" or "apt-get -f install" which can get the missing dependencies and finish the install |
| 19:08.01 | thewanderer1 | johnfg: so I assume the modem works as a L2 device only... then do you run a router begind? |
| 19:08.03 | AimHere | I'd look into port forwarding in your router manual. |
| 19:08.07 | thewanderer1 | s/begind/behind/ |
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| 19:08.29 | Nick3 | Ah, I got it, thanks stew and all |
| 19:08.43 | thewanderer1 | Nick3: you must have messed up your sources.list or so. anyway, installing .deb from anywhere is a Very Bad Idea (getdeb.com? you're toast.) |
| 19:09.16 | johnfg | Not sure if it's an L2 device, but this netgear dgn2200 is both modem and router. |
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| 19:09.58 | Nick3 | thewanderer1, I'm a software developer and I'm testing my .deb and .rpm packages in a bunch of distros |
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| 19:10.08 | Nick3 | thewanderer1, this is actually a fresh install |
| 19:10.35 | thewanderer1 | johnfg: then you certainly have a public IP address assigned to one of its network interfaces, and you should setup port forwarding (DNAT) from external to internal IP address |
| 19:10.58 | thewanderer1 | johnfg: if you want full remote access to the hosts behind NAT, then your solution is VPN, though |
| 19:11.38 | thewanderer1 | Nick3: I don't think that building one .deb for Ubuntu and Debian is a good idea. You should really leave this task to an experienced Debian packager. |
| 19:13.27 | stew | depends on the package relationships it declares, really |
| 19:13.30 | thewanderer1 | distributing this as source packages is not a problem for the users, and this won't make it into main repo (or even contrib/non-free in many cases) unless it conforms to the Debian standards (source package, binary package) |
| 19:14.07 | Nick3 | thewanderer1, why not? I got it to install and it seems to run fine |
| 19:15.11 | thewanderer1 | Nick3: have you just put together a package with a given architecture and included the installed files in that? there's nothing wrong with that, but keep in mind that maintaining a package is something more than calling checkinstall or sth like that |
| 19:16.03 | Nick3 | thewanderer1, Its a set of LSB4.0 compatible binaries and the .DEB does is require LSB so it autoinstalls on Ubuntu and lets the debian user know what package they are missing |
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| 19:16.49 | Nick3 | thewanderer1, well, we will only release the occasional package, for up to the day source people generally build it directly from our svn |
| 19:17.04 | thewanderer1 | Nick3: I've guessed a part of that, I'm just telling you that if you want to make it to the repositories rather than just providing "Download here" link, this is not the way to go |
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| 19:17.40 | thewanderer1 | you should probably get a package maintainer in Debian to do that for you properly, or become one (some manual reading required :P ) |
| 19:18.07 | thewanderer1 | this providing binary packages to users is just kludgy |
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| 19:18.39 | Nick3 | thewanderer1, well, then wouldn't I have to do the same for Ubuntu, Fedora, and all the other distros as well? |
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| 19:19.11 | Nick3 | thewanderer1, you are talking about putting it into the apt-get repos right? |
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| 19:20.19 | thewanderer1 | Nick3: yes. and building a complete package for any distribution requires serious amounts of work. I, personally, don't consider this a job for software developers, but the communities that are interested in getting a piece of software into their distro, because they often focus on doing one task and doing it well |
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| 19:21.19 | thewanderer1 | I don't mean to discourage you, just pointing you in the right direction |
| 19:21.58 | Nick3 | thewanderer1, so I should go find someone that is interested in each distro and ask them to make and maintain it for me? |
| 19:22.10 | stew | Nick3: what is the software we are talking about? |
| 19:22.24 | neoice | I'm guessing Debian's stock `mpd` still doesnt support mp3/LAME because of the dfsg, even in sid, correct? |
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| 19:23.05 | thewanderer1 | neoice: I've managed to run mp3 with that lately and I have stock mpd for sure, but I also have dmm repos enabled, so I'm not sure which libs it uses now |
| 19:23.16 | visof | hello how can i check the ports my system listen for now ? |
| 19:23.19 | stew | neoice: debian has mp3 decoders |
| 19:23.20 | neoice | thewanderer1: not mp3 playback, mp3 streaming |
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| 19:23.35 | cahoot | visof man netstat |
| 19:23.35 | Nick3 | stew, its a bioinformatics software |
| 19:23.39 | thewanderer1 | neoice: ah, streaming. so you're right. use OGG Vorbis for that :) |
| 19:23.55 | neoice | thewanderer1: unfortunately, ogg playback sucks on most everything. |
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| 19:24.12 | thewanderer1 | yeah, since most everything is Windows :P |
| 19:24.13 | jimcooncat | vlc? |
| 19:24.16 | stew | neoice: and note that its not really a dfsg problem, its a "should we be worried about patent enforcement" problem |
| 19:24.24 | stew | afaik, lame is dfsg compliant |
| 19:24.35 | neoice | thewanderer1: even Android doenst have a good OGG stream app! sucks! |
| 19:24.43 | Nick3 | stew, we only have a download or two a day, but we wanted to improve the user install experience so they wouldn't have to build it themselves |
| 19:24.58 | stew | Nick3: what language is it written in? |
| 19:25.07 | thewanderer1 | yes yes, Android being a homage to iPhone with all that "google having abandoned Linux" stuff... :P |
| 19:25.11 | stew | Nick3: and does it link against shared libraries? |
| 19:25.13 | Nick3 | stew, C, but it depends on clapack |
| 19:25.30 | pzn_ | I'd like to have ssh daemon with "PasswordAuthentication no" for connections from external net, and "PasswordAuthentication yes" for connections from localnet. I've started two ssh daemons, specifying a different config file for them. is this a clever way to do what I need? |
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| 19:25.34 | thewanderer1 | Nick3: probably... but insisting on it would not be very wise. at first, I would get that to 1 distro and do it well. Debian has currently the largest number of derivatives so porting from Debian to anything should be easy... |
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| 19:25.43 | visof | how can i restart inetd ? |
| 19:25.51 | jimcooncat | http://www.videolan.org/doc/streaming-howto/en/ch02.html |
| 19:25.57 | thewanderer1 | visof: /etc/init.d/*inetd* restart |
| 19:26.21 | Nick3 | thewanderer1, but I would need to put it into the repo for every debian derivative right? |
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| 19:26.57 | thewanderer1 | Nick3: no, it actually works like a virus and spreads itself |
| 19:27.27 | stew | Nick3: for a program written in C, you should probably be listing some versioned dependencies against the libraries you are linking against in the control file for the package. once you do this, your package becomes less portable from one distro release to another |
| 19:27.29 | thewanderer1 | Nick3: at least when the first Ubuntu user sees it, they will want it in Ubuntu, and when it appears in Ubuntu, every other distro will see it :P |
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| 19:28.15 | thewanderer1 | so I think leave this job to the proper distro maintainers, you may start with a one good and complete package if you want to aid the adoption process |
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| 19:29.09 | thewanderer1 | in fact, Ubuntu packages can often also be ported over to Debian quite easily, but Debian has more derivatives so starting at the basics would be the most logical choice if you want someone to build upon that |
| 19:29.48 | Nick3 | stew, I built it with lsbcc to conform to LSB4.0 so I shouldn't have any issues |
| 19:30.15 | tehrabbitt | curious, is there a way that I can mirror the latest "testing" and "sid" images onto my local server so I can do in-house installs over LAN rather than over the internet? |
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| 19:30.53 | thewanderer1 | tehrabbitt: do you really need the full mirror? consider using apt-cacher-ng (or similar programs) so that you only cache the once-used packages |
| 19:30.58 | Nick3 | Well, we are going to publish a paper about the software so we need some way for all our users to download it. Also, tracking downloads is helpful for funding |
| 19:31.18 | Nick3 | does apt support download tracking (number of downloads)? |
| 19:31.20 | thewanderer1 | Nick3: first, if your software is to remain free, forget about tracking |
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| 19:31.28 | stew | tehrabbitt: do you really mean "images" or do you mean the repository? |
| 19:31.35 | abrotman | thewanderer1: like popcon ? |
| 19:31.36 | tehrabbitt | thewanderer1: well I want to be able to install off of it / also use it for friends etc who want to install debian / need a local server |
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| 19:31.56 | thewanderer1 | abrotman: popcon is voluntary only |
| 19:31.57 | Nick3 | thewanderer1, well, it is free, its just that from a funding point of view, its nice to know how many people are using your software |
| 19:32.02 | neoice | just for kicks, if I wanted to debug a segfault, I'd probably need to learn gdb, right? |
| 19:32.11 | tehrabbitt | stew: I'd like both but I know that's alot of stuff |
| 19:32.18 | tehrabbitt | (something like 20+ GB i beleive) |
| 19:32.24 | stew | tehrabbitt: there are tools to do this, but note that the repositories are large and unstable/testing change a lot multiple times per day |
| 19:32.35 | stew | tehrabbitt: more like 400GB |
| 19:32.54 | stew | well, that's for every arch |
| 19:32.55 | Nick3 | So, how do I go about getting someone to build the package for me and put it into the apt repo? How would I do the same for Ubuntu? |
| 19:32.56 | tehrabbitt | 0_o.... how about *just* for testing then? |
| 19:32.57 | thewanderer1 | tehrabbitt: really, use apt-cacher-ng for that, or something more stable as I'm having issues with this from time to time so I can't really recommend that for stability - it still works for me |
| 19:32.57 | tehrabbitt | oh |
| 19:32.59 | tehrabbitt | 0_o |
| 19:33.27 | thewanderer1 | Nick3: I suppose you should interact socially in some way to have that done :) |
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| 19:34.02 | stew | tehrabbitt: http://www.debian.org/mirror/size |
| 19:34.14 | thewanderer1 | Nick3: consider implementing a feature in your software that would ask the user interactively about submitting the anonymous usage statistics to your server, or you can leverage popcon in Debian, too :) |
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| 19:34.36 | stew | tehrabbitt: so you'd be doing source and all and i386 and/ or amd64 probably |
| 19:34.41 | themill | Nick3: what is this software btw? There was quite some discussion about the need for usage information to appease funding bodies at DebConf quite recently. We have "popcon" (/msg dpkg popcon) that helps with this and can also add a suggestion that people should register/join a mailing list to a README.Debian that is installed within the package. |
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| 19:34.49 | tehrabbitt | so basically if I just wanted to mirror the i386 and amd64, it'd be around 70GB :-\ |
| 19:34.51 | tehrabbitt | lol |
| 19:35.01 | stew | tehrabbitt: source + all is 88GB |
| 19:35.04 | thewanderer1 | tehrabbitt: don't mirror, just make partial caches |
| 19:35.19 | themill | Nick3: (and have you checked that debian complies to LSB4.0?) |
| 19:35.22 | thewanderer1 | tehrabbitt: it works especially well if you have lots of similar workstations/servers (same software set) |
| 19:35.24 | tehrabbitt | thewanderer1: is that adequite though to be able to install off of / use for APT? |
| 19:35.27 | Nick3 | thewanderer1, http://compgen.bscb.cornell.edu/phast/ |
| 19:36.16 | Nick3 | themill, whoops, didn't notice your name was differeent than thewanderer1 http://compgen.bscb.cornell.edu/phast/ |
| 19:36.26 | thewanderer1 | tehrabbitt: not in all cases - this kind of cache pulls in packages from the net the first time they are requested |
| 19:36.39 | themill | Nick3: we have a lot of that sort of software already in Debian -- the debian-science and debian-med projects are quite active in trying to get these sorts of things into the archive. We understand the need to justify to funders... many of us play the same game ourselves. |
| 19:36.44 | Nick3 | themill, it seems that debian has a LSB package and the program seems to run |
| 19:37.06 | themill | Nick3: by "that sort of software" I mean scientific software where you are writing it on grant money. |
| 19:37.13 | thewanderer1 | tehrabbitt: so it is intended to be used while being online, it's not appropriate for offline operation, but for big numbers of workstations and fast deployment, yes (I use only my mirror's URL in sources.list on all machines at home and "work") |
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| 19:37.20 | tim_uiuc | Hi, can anyone tell me why running "which g++" returns nothing but I have g++ in /usr/bin pointing to g++-3.4 ? |
| 19:37.22 | themill | ,versions lsb |
| 19:37.23 | judd | lsb -- etch: 3.1-23.2etch1; lenny: 3.2-20; sid: 3.2-23.1; squeeze: 3.2-23.1 |
| 19:37.35 | themill | Nick3: ^^ I was more asking about the 4.0 aspect of your assertion.... |
| 19:37.46 | Nick3 | themill, I understand. When I have a software update, how do I handle that if it is in apt? |
| 19:38.33 | tehrabbitt | hm... well i'm just thinking because I have a 50/50 symmetrical fiber line here and I figured since alot of people I know run debian (testing and stable mostly)... they could use my server in their sources.list or even do netinstalls off of it |
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| 19:39.34 | thewanderer1 | tehrabbitt: if you have a spare server, you can set up a mirror for the Debian project, you know :) but otherwise, mirroring testing and sid is quite futile... |
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| 19:39.48 | themill | Nick3: there are interesting challenges in this -- a portion of users will want to continue using the same version for years and years for consitency; others will want the latest always. We have stable releases that are supported for a number of years for the former and backports (/msg dpkg backports) for the latter. Many upstreams also provide a local repo of the latest latest if needed. |
| 19:41.12 | lenswipe|debian | anyone know of an alternative to avant window navigator that doesnt require compiz? |
| 19:41.12 | lenswipe|debian | compiz eats lots of memory and makes the machine run slower |
| 19:41.21 | thewanderer1 | lenswipe|debian: docky? |
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| 19:42.05 | thewanderer1 | lenswipe|debian: I'm not sure if that doesn't need compiz, but try it |
| 19:43.03 | stew | avant-window-manager doesn't need compiz, at least not according to its dependencies |
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| 19:43.51 | thewanderer1 | err, net merge? :P |
| 19:43.57 | thewanderer1 | there's also cairo-dock, which wasn't quite usable the last time I checked |
| 19:44.25 | thewanderer1 | argh. |
| 19:44.41 | thewanderer1 | my Chromium profile just got corrupted |
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| 19:46.07 | abrotman | thewanderer1: not for every OS |
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| 19:46.41 | lelle | theres something called adeskbar |
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| 19:47.50 | thewanderer1 | anyone else having profile corruption issues in Chromium 5.0.375.127 (55887)? and what is this with the peoples' connections tonight? |
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| 19:49.34 | lenswipe|debian | is away: Away |
| 19:49.48 | lenswipe|debian | eqps |
| 19:49.50 | lenswipe|debian | sorry |
| 19:49.54 | lenswipe|debian | ewps* |
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| 19:50.03 | thewanderer1 | I'm asking since this Chromium error has happened to me and my buddy in a short time period (about 1 week interval - mine broke just today), and this is on amd64 (me) and i386 (him), but is not in the bug reports |
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| 19:54.12 | derdaniel76 | Hello.Can some one please tell we where i add "init=/bin/bash" in grub 1.96 ? (debian squid/squeeze) .i i add it on the linux /... vmlinuz line it get's ignored. ? |
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| 19:55.48 | project2501a | are there any VM managers for PowerPC? |
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| 19:56.05 | xxtjaxx | project2501a: virt-manager? |
| 19:56.26 | project2501a | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:56.31 | project2501a | does it support RHEL 5? :( |
| 19:56.33 | craigevil | derdaniel76: /etc/default/grub on GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="" |
| 19:56.43 | project2501a | maybe i should go over to #rhell |
| 19:57.06 | derdaniel76 | craigevil : thanks.but if im in the grub shell (booting) ? (pressing e for edit;) |
| 19:57.25 | derdaniel76 | craigevil : it seems to be completly ignored . |
| 19:58.38 | thewanderer1 | derdaniel76: add it when booting to the kernel command line |
| 19:59.18 | thewanderer1 | project2501a: last time I checked, virt-manager was GUI, but it uses libvirt which is abstract |
| 19:59.37 | derdaniel76 | craigevil :i did so but as i mentioned before it gets ignored cause it start the fsck.i only need to setup a new r00t password |
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| 20:02.22 | derdaniel76 | craigevil : grub2 ignores the changes made in edit mode.had to save it somehow (emacs commands oh my god,how bad) |
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| 20:04.45 | derdaniel76 | craigevil : thanks for your help.Ctrl+x did it..that'is if you never worked with grub1.9x-2 before. |
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| 20:06.44 | DDRP | dpkg rocks |
| 20:06.44 | dpkg | Yer damned right... |
| 20:06.47 | thewanderer1 | peeps, Chromium is having the error described here - http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1341721.html |
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| 20:08.15 | thewanderer1 | on deleting "Web Data" directory, it starts to work normally again (reports no errors upon reading profile) |
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| 20:10.59 | Cisien | debian running on 2x thumb drives in RAID-0 :) |
| 20:12.00 | thewanderer1 | Cisien: right, now consider flash wear... :P |
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| 20:12.55 | Cisien | thewanderer1, that's what dd if=/dev/md0 of=/some/backup/file is for :p |
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| 20:13.06 | thewanderer1 | right... |
| 20:13.25 | Cisien | it's just the system drive, so i'm not worried about it |
| 20:13.32 | thewanderer1 | you can get an SSD and make it faster, you know... :) |
| 20:13.40 | Cisien | pfft! |
| 20:13.58 | Cisien | the whole reason was to avoid buying a new drive, the one i had in there died last night |
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| 20:15.44 | DDRP | Flash wear is not significant for most applications |
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| 20:16.09 | thewanderer1 | yes, until you start to notice it :P |
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| 20:16.36 | DDRP | And how long do you think that will be? |
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| 20:17.18 | Cisien | put /tmp on a ramdisk, swap on a hard disk, and it should last quite a while |
| 20:17.30 | thewanderer1 | yeah, just this |
| 20:17.35 | thewanderer1 | plus logs on ramdisk |
| 20:17.39 | Cisien | yeah |
| 20:17.46 | Cisien | logs on a hard disk probably |
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| 20:17.59 | thewanderer1 | yes, on a remote MySQL server :P |
| 20:18.15 | DDRP | http://www.storagesearch.com/ssdmyths-endurance.html |
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| 20:20.14 | thewanderer1 | I wouldn't think that pendrives can manage block reallocation |
| 20:21.06 | DDRP | If they didn't, they would be pretty much useless, a single block failed would mean you couldn't use anything except ext or FAT on them, as most filesystems can't support bad blocks |
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| 20:22.45 | DDRP | It's quite possible you're right, in which case they would be a bit like floppy disks... but we are talking about SSD applications as such, ie. sticking a database on a SSD and watching it crunch |
| 20:22.57 | thewanderer1 | huh... you might be right, I was once getting corrupted files on an otherwise working (ext3-wise) pendrive |
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| 20:24.17 | DDRP | Aye, that's kind of the low end of the flash market, but now SSD is ready for the datacentre... we're considering putting it on our main internal database.. which gets a hammering 24/7 |
| 20:24.27 | DDRP | Running Debian of course >B) |
| 20:25.13 | thewanderer1 | I only wish ramback was complete and working |
| 20:25.31 | thewanderer1 | I don't think there exists anything like it now... |
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| 20:29.03 | Kottizen | hi, I have a couple of debian servers which I own. one vps for irssi + screen, one for ircds etc. if I ssh to them and just let the ssh be opened for an hour or two without working on it, I get broken pipe |
| 20:29.11 | Kottizen | I don't get that on the irssi vps |
| 20:29.23 | Kottizen | why? |
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| 20:32.05 | szalinski | hi i'm trying to install php5.3 with fpm and i need to install libevent > 1.4.11, even though i downloaded libevent src and built it via its readme, php still tells me it can't find libevent, any ideas why? |
| 20:32.47 | thewanderer1 | Kottizen: TCP timeouts, probably - this is a firewall thing that cuts the connection after some amount of session inactivity |
| 20:33.01 | thewanderer1 | Kottizen: some "routers" do that |
| 20:33.33 | DDRP | sshd has its own keepalive, but I never found it helped me with my old ISP... I had to change providers before my ssh connection problems went away |
| 20:33.54 | thewanderer1 | DDRP: I've never seen SSH's keepalive work actually :) |
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| 20:34.18 | DDRP | Well I know somebody at work it allegedly worked for... but it hasn't worked for me |
| 20:34.19 | thewanderer1 | some routers in the middle seem to just kill any connection after a specified amount of time - a very strange behaviour |
| 20:34.40 | DDRP | thewanderer1: Makes me want to crush a grape |
| 20:34.43 | Kottizen | thewanderer1: oh good, so then it's not my server then :) |
| 20:34.45 | thewanderer1 | this is most probably a network problem, not related to Debian |
| 20:34.47 | foetus | evening - i would like to create a small users database for vsftpd, README says that berkeley db is expected - must i install berkeley db or is there something similar (more debian-friendly) to create this database? |
| 20:35.16 | thewanderer1 | foetus: doesn't vsftpd support PAM/NSS? |
| 20:35.34 | bzed | thewanderer1: you don't necessarily want that :) |
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| 20:36.03 | foetus | thewanderer1: i would like to create some virtual users, so i need this db. |
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| 20:36.08 | bzed | foetus: bdb is not a real database. its more like a single file.. the proper implementation of microsoft access without the bullshit of graphical interface ;) |
| 20:36.11 | thewanderer1 | I would use vsftpd in conjunction with pam_mysql |
| 20:36.23 | bzed | thewanderer1: why mysql? |
| 20:36.23 | foetus | thewanderer1: :) |
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| 20:36.31 | thewanderer1 | because it's a real database :P |
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| 20:37.04 | bzed | thewanderer1: you don't need a real databse here. a hash table-like thing like bdb is more than enough. and probably faster than your mysql memoryeater |
| 20:37.13 | thewanderer1 | other than that, I hate LDAP, I guess. but there seem to be modules for PAM that allow you to use a passwd-like file, too (or maybe shadow-like?) |
| 20:37.21 | bzed | thewanderer1: wtf? |
| 20:37.45 | OpenTokix | thewanderer1: http://dan.hersam.com/2007/03/05/how-to-avoid-ssh-timeouts/ |
| 20:37.48 | bzed | thewanderer1: why would you want to mess with ldap, which is nothing but a bdb-to-tcp-with-extra-pain-gateway? |
| 20:38.11 | thewanderer1 | bzed: I had to, and that's why I was recommending MySQL instead :P |
| 20:38.11 | bzed | foetus: just use a simple bdb if vsftp supports it :) |
| 20:38.20 | bzed | thewanderer1: *sigh* |
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| 20:38.46 | thewanderer1 | bdb or PAM |
| 20:39.00 | foetus | thewanderer1: yyees, not at this level.. it is a small beginning.. not mysql.. so i do need bdb, imho? |
| 20:39.13 | bzed | thewanderer1: one hooker was too complicated and thin so you got a fat slow thing instead? :) |
| 20:39.20 | jelly-hme | foetus: or a separate flat file. |
| 20:40.08 | thewanderer1 | foetus: if you hate configuring PAM, then yes... :P |
| 20:40.12 | foetus | (readme says: create a text file and run db_load on it) |
| 20:40.13 | stew | we're supposed to be convincing him not to use FTPD at all, not arguing over how to auth it, remember? |
| 20:40.43 | thewanderer1 | yeah sure... let's stop supporting it, it might go away :P |
| 20:41.23 | project2501a | Makefile.am is the template which ./configure uses to create Makefile, am i correct? |
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| 20:41.51 | jelly-hme | foetus: pam_userdb should be relatively simple to set up |
| 20:42.26 | stew | he wants this separate from pam |
| 20:42.34 | jelly-hme | fool! |
| 20:42.35 | jelly-hme | auth required pam_userdb.so db=/etc/ftppasswd.db crypt |
| 20:42.51 | jelly-hme | account required pam_userdb.so |
| 20:42.52 | stew | well, he said "virtual users" or sometihng |
| 20:43.03 | stew | but sure |
| 20:43.14 | goldins | is there a way I can tell DHCP to never give anything an address in this pool if said thing is defined elsewhere in dhcpd.conf? |
| 20:43.14 | jelly-hme | "virtual users" may still have proper uids ;-) |
| 20:43.37 | thewanderer1 | jelly-hme: they must... :P |
| 20:43.37 | foetus | yes - virtual, you say it. |
| 20:43.39 | jelly-hme | this virtual thing is overrated |
| 20:43.57 | project2501a | goldins: yeah there is. the man page for dhcpd mentions how to. |
| 20:43.59 | foetus | not 'real'pam users. |
| 20:44.08 | jelly-hme | there are 200k+ accounts on that machine and it works |
| 20:44.51 | jelly-hme | wait, I lied, only 100k. |
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| 20:45.00 | jimcooncat | jelly-hme: how do you load them in? |
| 20:45.03 | yaaar | howdy |
| 20:45.09 | yaaar | hey guys, what does php -q <file> do? specifically the -q ...that flag isn't listed in 'man php' |
| 20:45.21 | thewanderer1 | jelly-hme: wasn't there a UID limit issue? |
| 20:45.25 | jelly-hme | jimcooncat: custom agents take |
| 20:45.26 | jelly-hme | care. |
| 20:45.41 | jelly-hme | thewanderer1: yes, the limit is something like 2^32 - 2 or so |
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| 20:45.58 | thewanderer1 | jelly-hme: oh, I thought 65535 for some reason |
| 20:46.03 | thewanderer1 | (nobody?) |
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| 20:46.28 | jimcooncat | customs agents? cool -- I guess any alien that's actually legal ought to get a free shell account |
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| 20:47.19 | DDRP | project2501a: Makefile.am is the input to automake, configure is the output of autoconf.. configure creates config.h from config.h.in and Makefilein... I _think_ it has evolved over time and is somewhat complicated =\ |
| 20:47.22 | foetus | seems to be complicated too much.. so.. i better test it before with bdb, if it works well - i use it |
| 20:47.23 | jelly-hme | jimcooncat: basically, something reads the queue of accounts to be opened, closed or updated (quota or passwd) and calls a shell/perl script via a RPC API |
| 20:47.33 | jimcooncat | thewanderer1: Yes, I saw that limit before and I think it's simple to raise |
| 20:47.35 | goldins | project2501a: the manpage for dhcpd.conf says some things about allow unknown-clients and deny unknown-clients but first of all it says that this option is now deprecated and second of all it doesn't explain what an unknown-client is and lastly it seems to be the reverse of what I want. I don't want to deny unknown clients from the known clients pool: I don't have a known-clients pool. I want to deny known-clients from the unknown-clients pool |
| 20:47.45 | foetus | thaaanks |
| 20:47.47 | DDRP | project2501a: autotools is probably a topic for another channel |
| 20:47.48 | derdaniel76 | the gnu tool chain.archaic but perfect ;) |
| 20:48.22 | jimcooncat | jelly-hme: oh. I had been looking at nsswitch.conf and saw "db" -- was wondering how it was used |
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| 20:48.53 | thewanderer1 | it's awful how PAM can be configured per-service while NSS can not - it reduces its usefullness to a minimum |
| 20:49.04 | jelly-hme | jimcooncat: it's just the same data as in the flat files, only stored in /var/lib/passwd.db or so |
| 20:49.42 | thewanderer1 | yaaar: try ##php |
| 20:49.58 | foetus | yes, very simple layout.. |
| 20:50.31 | foetus | simple=fast (i hope).. |
| 20:50.32 | jelly-hme | jimcooncat: that's primarily useful because parsers for /etc/passwd in glibc or other libcs are FUCKING SLOW |
| 20:50.38 | thewanderer1 | yaaar: this is actually an option for php5-cgi, you can find it here http://pl.php.net/manual/pl/features.commandline.options.php |
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| 20:51.09 | jelly-hme | jimcooncat: and caching the data with glibc nscd is (also f'ing) buggy |
| 20:51.38 | foetus | **searching with apt-cache.. |
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| 20:51.59 | jimcooncat | I don't care much for ldap -- it seems so arcane |
| 20:52.23 | thewanderer1 | believe me, it lives its own life in your server... |
| 20:52.32 | yaaar | thewanderer1: umm.... -q isn't in that list... |
| 20:52.38 | thewanderer1 | yaaar: yes it is. |
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| 20:53.00 | thewanderer1 | yaaar: no, look below :) |
| 20:53.01 | foetus | waa - berkeley was the wrong word.. thousands of words fills the screen.. |
| 20:53.34 | DDRP | We're going LDAP big type, we have about 45 employees and other contractors and stuff and so it's been decided to use it... plus we reckon we can roll it out to VoIP phones and everything |
| 20:53.37 | jelly-hme | if you had a campus with 100 hosts and 10000 users accessing any of them, you'd possibly find ldap more attractive |
| 20:53.40 | DDRP | s/type/time/ |
| 20:53.56 | jelly-hme | DDRP: AD! :-) |
| 20:54.03 | yaaar | thewanderer1: ha! yes, scrolling down helped. thanks! |
| 20:54.05 | thewanderer1 | jelly-hme: I have less, but I'm still considering MySQL superior... |
| 20:54.16 | thewanderer1 | i.e. non-kludgy |
| 20:54.22 | DDRP | Well I don't know about Active Directory... we run about 250 virtual machines and they are all Debian |
| 20:54.53 | jelly-hme | I don't consider MySQL superior to anything and would rather put user data on sticky notes tham let MySQL manage it |
| 20:55.01 | foetus | ah, lenny is using version 4, lets try it.. |
| 20:55.09 | jelly-hme | DDRP: lucky you |
| 20:55.24 | DDRP | We run a VoIP company with ~10,000 customers off MySQL |
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| 20:55.25 | thewanderer1 | all I know about Active Directory is 1) it is easy to configure 2) it is difficult to configure properly 3) sockets sometimes fail 4) it's hardly extensible - at least not in the GUI |
| 20:55.59 | jordanm | thewanderer1: 1) is certainly not true |
| 20:56.17 | foetus | **creating textfile.. |
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| 20:56.34 | stew | is "sockets sometimes fail" somethihng specific to AD? or sockets in general? |
| 20:56.47 | thewanderer1 | stew: happens on OpenLDAP too, just more often... :P |
| 20:57.03 | stew | what happens? |
| 20:57.19 | stew | and does it not happen to a socket connection to mysql? |
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| 20:58.14 | foetus | stop - whats the difference between db4.2-util - Berkeley v4.2 Database Utilities and db4.6-util - Berkeley v4.6 Database Utilities? |
| 20:58.22 | jelly-hme | 0.4 |
| 20:58.27 | jelly-hme | hides |
| 20:58.50 | dimir | :-D |
| 20:59.17 | project2501a | how do i tell find to shut up if it cannot access a directory? |
| 20:59.23 | project2501a | i know it is -s in grep |
| 20:59.27 | thewanderer1 | stew: what happens is a Sudden Ninja Network Failure - nobody knows (logs neither), and a reboot fixes that, and no, it never happens with MySQL... O.o |
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| 20:59.44 | thewanderer1 | project2501a: 2>/dev/null |
| 20:59.49 | project2501a | d-oh |
| 20:59.51 | project2501a | thanks |
| 20:59.52 | foetus | i try it, anyway. |
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| 21:01.23 | yaaar | any ispconfig gurus around here? my /usr/local/ispconfig/server/server.php cron job just runs forever and doesn't do anything |
| 21:02.38 | foetus | i will try it with gdb first.. |
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| 21:03.02 | thewanderer1 | gdb? yes, that's the right proactive approach that I like :D |
| 21:03.20 | thewanderer1 | yaaar: run it manually and see why, and I'm not a guru :P |
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| 21:03.52 | cirzgamanti | hi, how do i set environmental variables in debian, so that they are recognized by all users? |
| 21:04.18 | yaaar | thewanderer1: yeah, running it manually does the same thing ...just sits there and never returns |
| 21:04.35 | thewanderer1 | yaaar: debug that :) |
| 21:04.36 | dutchfish | running aptitude it shows some libs that are obselete, however on trying to purge them aptitude wants to remove kde-full, is this transient? (Debian/squeeze/x86_64) |
| 21:04.38 | foetus | shit this is the debugger, no.. |
| 21:04.40 | project2501a | where are .m4 files are supposed to be? |
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| 21:05.15 | BlackFate | project2501a, locate .m4 |
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| 21:06.12 | dutchfish | themill: hola :) |
| 21:06.12 | martianlobster | I am trying to get a kernel working. It dumps a lot of hex and error message. The first error messages scroll off the top of the screen. Is there some way I can make the font size smaller during bootup, so that I can see all the errors? |
| 21:06.25 | thewanderer1 | martianlobster: vga=791 ? |
| 21:06.49 | martianlobster | thewanderer1: where do I put that? in the /boot/grub/menu.lst file? |
| 21:06.51 | thewanderer1 | I am not sure about KMS, but I think it only inits late in the boot sequence |
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| 21:07.18 | thewanderer1 | martianlobster: append that to your kernel command line, so in menu.lst or just press e before booting and append on kernel line |
| 21:07.39 | martianlobster | thewanderer1: thanks! |
| 21:09.02 | stew | dutchfish: is kde-full upgradable? |
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| 21:09.46 | thewanderer1 | thinks that kde-full is upgradable |
| 21:09.53 | thewanderer1 | as any other metapackage |
| 21:10.24 | foetus | better make a symlink db_load..what a name.. |
| 21:10.31 | MichaelSOG | sugoi |
| 21:10.31 | stew | dutchfish: well, not specificall kde-full, but more importantly the reverse depends of the obsolete libs |
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| 21:10.44 | dutchfish | stew: if i aptitude reinstall kde-full nothing happens, but aptitude interactive shows a lot of obselete libs |
| 21:11.09 | stew | dutchfish: do you need to do a safe-upgrade or full-upgrade? |
| 21:11.15 | themill | dutchfish: btw "reinstall" doesn't change the version that's installed. |
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| 21:12.43 | dutchfish | stew: aptitude is satisfied about safe-upgrade and full-upgrade, but i am worried about obselete libs like libgl1mesa and libkms1 ia32libs-workaround499043 |
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| 21:13.15 | dutchfish | stew: tryig to remove any of them does autovacuum kde-full and all its depends |
| 21:14.16 | dutchfish | stew: installeed ii kde-full 5:64 |
| 21:14.17 | themill | dutchfish: the last two of those don't look like packages from debian squeeze |
| 21:15.32 | stew | what themill said |
| 21:16.08 | themill | libkms1 is from experimental and ia32libs-workaround* is some hack for flash on amd64 |
| 21:16.22 | dutchfish | themill: ah i see what happened, its from experimental to satisfy latest mesa |
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| 21:16.45 | dutchfish | my mistake |
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| 21:17.14 | dutchfish | themill: yes |
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| 21:18.01 | dutchfish | sorry for the noise |
| 21:18.09 | themill | no stres |
| 21:18.10 | themill | s |
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| 21:28.42 | Cisien | so, in squeeze, I am using /dev/md0 as my root device, i have set rootdelay=60 in the kernel command line, and it times out waiting for the root device. I can run 'mdadmin --assemble --scan' in the initramfs shell, and exit that shell, the system then boots up fine. Could this be a defect in squeeze? |
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| 21:30.32 | thewanderer1 | of course it could, Cisien - I'm running Squeeze on md0 on a few machines, though, and they don't show such behaviour, or just not yet :) |
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| 21:31.07 | Voldenet | Hello |
| 21:31.17 | Voldenet | What is the difference between `dir` and `ls`? |
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| 21:31.40 | Cisien | dir is an alias for the windows folks? |
| 21:31.43 | Voldenet | no |
| 21:31.51 | Voldenet | dir is a file in /bin |
| 21:32.00 | Voldenet | with different md5 than ls |
| 21:32.00 | Cisien | my point still stands |
| 21:32.14 | Voldenet | so it's not the same :o |
| 21:32.44 | Cisien | thewanderer1, the difference might be because the drives in the array are usb, and cheap flash ? |
| 21:33.10 | Cisien | i would think 60 seconds is plenty of time for this to settle. I might have to up that to 120 |
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| 21:34.06 | BlackFate | Cisien, its the same.. no difference... |
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| 21:34.16 | thewanderer1 | Cisien: oh, I haven't run this with USB, really |
| 21:34.29 | thewanderer1 | could be some initramfs peculiarity about modules |
| 21:34.29 | BlackFate | soz... Voldenet |
| 21:34.39 | Cisien | yeah, maybe |
| 21:34.52 | Cisien | i'll try it with a longer delay |
| 21:34.58 | nooper | Voldenet: whats the difference between vdir and dir? |
| 21:35.19 | Cisien | this is a headless box, and will be kinda a pita if i have to haul out a kb/monitor every time the box is rebooted |
| 21:35.32 | Voldenet | nooper: that's obvious |
| 21:35.42 | Voldenet | vdir = dir -l |
| 21:35.48 | thewanderer1 | Cisien: this delay is kind of unbearable, I would say it's a logic error not a race condition |
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| 21:36.09 | Cisien | who knows |
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| 21:37.37 | Cisien | if a 2 minute delay fixes it, i'll be happy enough |
| 21:38.03 | Raptors | I know this not really a debian question but there are a lot of people here. Can someone recommend me a good cheap AM2 cooler? |
| 21:38.45 | Raptors | My AMD CPU is getting WAY too hot when I do something intensive like 70-87 degrees |
| 21:39.24 | moldovean | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:39.28 | foetus | **foetus gives up converting a *.txt with db_load.. and use pam instead |
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| 21:39.52 | Cisien | thewanderer1, nope, longer delay didn't help |
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| 21:40.24 | foetus | horrible.. no |
| 21:40.29 | Cisien | good thing this box generally has an uptime of 3-4 months and is behind a UPS |
| 21:40.59 | Cisien | it booted fine, once, with a 60 second delay |
| 21:41.09 | thewanderer1 | Cisien: that's what I thought |
| 21:41.26 | thewanderer1 | Cisien: probably an initramfs bug |
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| 21:41.41 | Cisien | i have no clue where to start when tracking that down |
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| 21:41.59 | thewanderer1 | foetus: ProFTPD has an easier system of solving this |
| 21:42.57 | thewanderer1 | Cisien: /usr/share/initramfs-tools - you find it there, put in debug instructions (it's mostly bash) and observe, all that without breaking your machine (make backups and ensure you have an alternative kernel to boot to) |
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| 21:43.25 | Cisien | :) |
| 21:44.01 | thewanderer1 | grep for mount commands, I suppose they are preceded with fs wait |
| 21:44.23 | Cisien | and probably a mdadm command or two |
| 21:45.05 | thewanderer1 | you might have to force loading of some kernel modules beforehand, like usb |
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| 21:46.16 | thewanderer1 | especially, the scripts might have problems with detecting device type for md0 whereas they would recognize it as usb when given with a real device name |
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| 21:46.28 | syslq | Adobe's flash is under non-free software but adobe flash plugin is free, how should i look at this? |
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| 21:46.51 | slackerr | hi all. have a trouble with mounting media disks in squeeze. from some time it look like mounting but shows empty dir and no such device in mount list |
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| 21:47.02 | piukeman | hello any knows how to mount a filesystem in ext3 so any user can read the filesystem |
| 21:47.11 | bzed | Cisien: note the you should put your stuff into /etc/initramfs-tools instead of messing in /usr. and the scripts should ahve enough debug facilities already. break=top as boot options is probabyl what you want... |
| 21:47.29 | bzed | piukeman: not possible. use unix permissions, not mount options. |
| 21:48.30 | thewanderer1 | syslq: adobe flash plugin is not free |
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| 21:50.22 | foetus | thewanderer1: back again - yes, after 1 hour of dealing with db-util i think, you're right :) |
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| 21:52.31 | foetus | thewanderer1: but -- vsftpd is really fast and small, only c..but configuration is horrible, yes. |
| 21:53.09 | piukeman | sorry I create a directory as a normal user in my home dir.... the I mounted as root, and the when I tried to access those files as a normal user I can not do it. |
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| 21:53.27 | piukeman | any help :( |
| 21:53.27 | Cisien | mdadm is running before the devices are loaded, and failing saying there aren't enough devices to start the array |
| 21:53.47 | thewanderer1 | Cisien: as I thought. make the system load the arrays... |
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| 21:54.28 | thewanderer1 | foetus: before dumping vsftpd, give it one more chance: http://howto.gumph.org/content/setup-virtual-users-and-directories-in-vsftpd/ |
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| 21:54.59 | thewanderer1 | this looks just about right, and only very little PAM involved :) |
| 21:55.19 | foetus | thewanderer1: oh hell, i must take a look, thanks.. |
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| 21:56.47 | nate_h | can I do subnet 0.0.0.0 netmask 0.0.0.0 for dhcpd.conf to catch every address? |
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| 22:00.05 | foetus | thewanderer1: don't believe it, htpasswd is the best choice.. very useful to me so take these ***** |
| 22:00.16 | foetus | :) |
| 22:00.28 | Muffin | Hello. Is there somewhere I can click a button that allows me to cry about the fact that Debian/stable doesn't have python 2.6 yet? I'm sure there are reasons, but I wolud like to whine about it. |
| 22:01.23 | themill | Muffin: lenny will never have python 2.6; /msg dpkg stable. |
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| 22:03.15 | Cisien | what order does init run it's scripts, i found an mdadm script in initramfs-tools/scripts/local-top/ |
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| 22:03.27 | dondelelcaro | Cisien: in run-parts order |
| 22:04.03 | Cisien | ? |
| 22:04.04 | dondelelcaro | (technically, it's not init that does the running, but /etc/init.d/rc, which is called by init with arguments specified in inittab) |
| 22:04.08 | BlackFate | !unstable |
| 22:04.08 | dpkg | [unstable] The status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. Not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges (!) See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>. |
| 22:04.27 | dondelelcaro | Cisien: that mdadm script you found isn't run by init |
| 22:04.27 | BlackFate | is there any relative channel for unstable? |
| 22:04.36 | dondelelcaro | BlackFate: this channel is one of them |
| 22:04.59 | Cisien | dondelelcaro, in initramfs? |
| 22:05.24 | dondelelcaro | Cisien: yes, it's used by the initramfs to bring up the raid if necessary so the root filesystem can be mounted, and the real init started |
| 22:05.45 | Cisien | dondelelcaro, correct, my problem is in the initramfs stage |
| 22:06.16 | dondelelcaro | !real question |
| 22:06.16 | dpkg | Please tell us what the real problem is instead of wasting our time asking questions about things that you think are related to the problem. If you don't, you're just wasting your time and ours. [Far too often what you think is related to the problem actually isn't or won't help you solve your problem at all.], or see <xyproblem> |
| 22:06.16 | Cisien | mdadm is trying to initialize the raid array (stored on 2 usb thumb drives) before the usb device is detected |
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| 22:07.59 | dondelelcaro | Cisien: so these two usb devices have a raid filesystem which is needed for / to come up? or what? |
| 22:08.08 | Cisien | yes |
| 22:08.46 | dondelelcaro | Cisien: why exactly are you trying to run a root raid filesystem on external usb raid devices? |
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| 22:09.16 | Cisien | root is on /dev/md0, which is comprised of two usb thumb drives. It times out waiting, and drops me to the initramfs shell, running mdadm --assemble --scan will load the array, and exit drops me out of initramfs, and boots the system normally |
| 22:09.21 | Muffin | themill: That makes sense. I would still like there to be a button that allows me to whine more easily. |
| 22:09.55 | themill | Muffin: it's called "test squeeze and fix its bugs so that it can be released sooner". Then you'll have stable with py2.6. |
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| 22:10.34 | Cisien_ | aparently i was disconnected, what was the last thing i said? |
| 22:10.54 | mmnicolas | Muffin: in the meanwhile i guess you can use a backport |
| 22:11.30 | themill | mmnicolas: that's unlikely to work out well if you need anything outside the python stdlib |
| 22:11.35 | mmnicolas | does anyone ever built a kernel with the "stress" option, does it work properly ? or does it just crash any machines |
| 22:12.08 | dondelelcaro | Cisien: you need to specify a ROOTDELAY which is sufficiently long enough for the root device to show up and be detected by udev |
| 22:12.15 | Cisien_ | it's set to 120 |
| 22:12.25 | dondelelcaro | Cisien: and 120 seconds isn't long enough for the devices to settle? |
| 22:12.30 | mmnicolas | themill: it depends on that much really ? |
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| 22:12.39 | Cisien_ | 120 seconds is plenty long enough |
| 22:13.18 | int80_h | I'm trying to print line 300 in a file. This is what I have tried but this doesn't work. I feel I am close though |
| 22:13.21 | int80_h | cat -n /var/log/messages | grep -e '^ {1, }300' |
| 22:13.34 | int80_h | could someone help me get this right? |
| 22:13.50 | themill | mmnicolas: python2.6 wouldn't find any modules so it's not going to be that useful. |
| 22:13.55 | Tramp | int80_h: sed -n 300p |
| 22:14.31 | dondelelcaro | Cisien_: uh... then it sounds like it's not actually waiting that long, because mdadm is run in local-top, which is well after init-top/udev, which waits 120 seconds for the device to show |
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| 22:15.28 | Cisien_ | i just set it to 500, for kicks |
| 22:15.45 | Cisien_ | we'll see if it takes ~ 9 minutes |
| 22:15.57 | Cisien_ | nope, doesn't wait that long, for sure |
| 22:16.07 | dondelelcaro | Cisien_: where are you setting ROOTDELAY? |
| 22:16.16 | int80_h | Tramp : thanks. You made it much simpler. It never occured to me to use sed, as I didn't want to actually change anything |
| 22:16.27 | Tramp | yw |
| 22:16.28 | amee2k | ummm |
| 22:16.31 | Cisien_ | Yep, so i'm retarded. i set 'rootwait' |
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| 22:16.36 | Cisien_ | not 'rootdelay' |
| 22:16.36 | mmnicolas | Cisien_: pretty sure this in in milliseconds |
| 22:16.37 | amee2k | i was wondering if someone could explain this to me: |
| 22:16.39 | amee2k | 00:14 <amee2k> scanjet |
| 22:16.39 | amee2k | 00:14 <dpkg> are you using Windows?, amee2k |
| 22:17.04 | mmnicolas | this is pretty funny |
| 22:17.32 | amee2k | the bot factoid? |
| 22:17.33 | mmnicolas | its probably a way of saying these devices are paperweights under gnu/linux |
| 22:17.40 | amee2k | not really |
| 22:17.57 | amee2k | sane-project.org says their hp5590 driver supports it |
| 22:18.13 | mmnicolas | as most of hp stuff |
| 22:18.19 | dondelelcaro | amee2k: the bot is just being snarky; it doesn't know anything special about scanjet |
| 22:18.35 | amee2k | just that the debian version is so old that this driver only works for scanjets 55x0 and 7650 |
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| 22:19.01 | amee2k | i already have backports but it doesn't seem to help with this one |
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| 22:19.16 | amee2k | whats the proper debian way of getting a newer version of the sane drivers? |
| 22:19.22 | dondelelcaro | if you ask it about a factoid that it doesn't know the answer to in message, it either tells you it doesn't know, or insults you for asking something it didn't know |
| 22:19.39 | streuner | amee2k: well, a new kernel? |
| 22:19.45 | foetus | oops too much irssi |
| 22:19.46 | amee2k | hu? |
| 22:19.59 | mmnicolas | amee2k: kernel backports |
| 22:20.04 | amee2k | i thought sane was userspace stuff |
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| 22:20.16 | dondelelcaro | amee2k: it is; get a backport from unstable or possibly experimental |
| 22:20.17 | amee2k | the kernel isn't in the normal backports? |
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| 22:20.45 | dondelelcaro | judd: versions libsane |
| 22:20.47 | judd | libsane -- etch: 1.0.18-5; lenny: 1.0.19-23; sid: 1.0.21-3; squeeze: 1.0.21-3; experimental: 1.0.22~git1.0.21-157-g126c70d-1 |
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| 22:21.01 | amee2k | deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free << i already have this backports configured. what exactly am i missing? |
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| 22:21.11 | streuner | amee2k: or just get some hardware which is supported :-P |
| 22:21.12 | dondelelcaro | amee2k: there isn't a backport of it, apparently |
| 22:21.21 | dondelelcaro | amee2k: so you'll have to make your own |
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| 22:21.32 | amee2k | okay |
| 22:21.38 | mmnicolas | http://unsupported.debian-maintainers.org/backports-kernel/ |
| 22:21.48 | amee2k | where can i find docs on how to do that the debian way? |
| 22:21.54 | dondelelcaro | !tell amee2k -about ssb |
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| 22:22.54 | amee2k | hm. |
| 22:23.18 | syslq | How is adobe flash plugin not free? It's free to download and use. I'm asking seriously, any proper link with explentation is cool too thanks |
| 22:23.32 | zinx | dpkg: tell syslq about DFSG |
| 22:23.33 | mmnicolas | syslq: it's not free as in freedom. |
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| 22:23.56 | Cisien_ | it's amazing how well things work when you pass the proper kernel command line |
| 22:23.57 | amee2k | deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ sid main non-free contrib << is this one correct for step 1) of that factoid |
| 22:24.00 | amee2k | ? |
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| 22:24.21 | Cisien_ | upgrading to sid? |
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| 22:24.27 | pipegeek | Is there some way to disconnect a usb device in software, without having to physically remove it? |
| 22:24.36 | streuner | Cisien_: nah -> ssb |
| 22:24.43 | amee2k | Cisien_: no, i need a newer backport of sane than is in the normal backports |
| 22:24.44 | spikeb | syslq, its not free as in freedom. |
| 22:24.50 | Cisien_ | ahh |
| 22:24.55 | syslq | spikeb: I dont understand that |
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| 22:25.01 | syslq | zinx: thanks I'll check it out |
| 22:25.02 | mmnicolas | amee2k: do you have hplip installed ? |
| 22:25.09 | spikeb | syslq, put another way, its not "open source". |
| 22:25.18 | mmnicolas | amee2k: you should try that first if not |
| 22:25.31 | amee2k | i don't think so |
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| 22:25.49 | streuner | amee2k: usually its a PITA, just get some hardware which is supported |
| 22:25.52 | syslq | spikeb: aaah, so when on linux we are talking about free software we're talking about open source, so something that's freeware on windows can be considered non-free since source is not avaliable |
| 22:25.58 | pipegeek | hmm. suppose I could rmmod uhci_hcd |
| 22:26.03 | spikeb | syslq, aye |
| 22:26.04 | mmnicolas | spikeb: even if it was open source, if they don't i can't modify it and redistribute it, it's bullshit |
| 22:26.24 | mmnicolas | s/don't i cant'/don't let me/g |
| 22:26.24 | AimHere | syslq, The confusion is in the term 'free'. In English it can mean 'having a price of zero' or it can mean 'liberated' |
| 22:26.28 | amee2k | streuner: point taken. i already have this one and i like it? |
| 22:26.29 | Cisien_ | ok,/tmp is now on a tmpfs filesystem, /var is now on a hard drive, and swap is on a hard drive. This setup should last a while before the usb sticks suffer a slow death from wear |
| 22:26.29 | AimHere | As in 'free from prison' |
| 22:26.33 | streuner | amee2k: HP is usually fine... |
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| 22:27.04 | amee2k | i'll try the hplip thing, but i think i'll want the newer sane version later anyway |
| 22:27.15 | amee2k | this way i can at least check if the device still works |
| 22:27.26 | AimHere | Adobe's flash plugin is costless, but it imposes restrictions on the user that makes it not 'free software' in the FSF/Stallman/'Open source' sense |
| 22:27.27 | syslq | AimHere: yeah :), it makes absolute sense now, I looked it from a price tag view |
| 22:27.29 | Cisien_ | so, /var, /tmp, and swap are where most of the writes come from, right? |
| 22:27.42 | mmnicolas | no, some hp flatbeds just works if you have hplip installed |
| 22:27.50 | syslq | AimHere: and hopefully it will be gone with broad html5 usage too :) |
| 22:28.12 | AimHere | Hopefully |
| 22:28.13 | amee2k | streuner: yeah, it is. i've had good experience with HP laserjets too (well, reasonably good. compared to other printers at least) |
| 22:28.15 | syslq | Thanks |
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| 22:28.55 | mmnicolas | syslq: listen to the matrix in french, you'll understand :) |
| 22:29.18 | amee2k | mmnicolas: installed it... but how do i start it? or is it part of same? |
| 22:29.22 | amee2k | sane* even |
| 22:29.36 | mmnicolas | it includes a sane backend |
| 22:29.40 | amee2k | ah |
| 22:29.52 | mmnicolas | reboot or restart pretty much everything |
| 22:30.11 | mmnicolas | just to be sure |
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| 22:32.41 | amee2k | hmmm |
| 22:32.59 | amee2k | i added the "hpaio" driver to my /etc/sane.d/dll.conf |
| 22:33.07 | amee2k | still says no devices found |
| 22:33.40 | amee2k | is there any way to get a list of drivers that are available in my specific installation? |
| 22:33.44 | mmnicolas | i neved messed with that so much, all i know is that my brother runs debian lenny, has a laserjet 1015 which is a pain the ass, and some same-era scanjet working out of the box |
| 22:34.00 | amee2k | okay |
| 22:34.11 | mmnicolas | what's the model ? |
| 22:34.14 | amee2k | i've had a laserjet4 and a 2200, and both worked out of the box |
| 22:34.18 | amee2k | its a scanjet 4500C |
| 22:34.35 | amee2k | http://www.sane-project.org/man/sane-hp5590.5.html << first one on this list |
| 22:35.00 | amee2k | (actually, i still have the 2200 ;) |
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| 22:37.45 | mmnicolas | seen this ?: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/sane-devel/2010-January/025844.html |
| 22:38.09 | mmnicolas | i mean, do you have the same messages |
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| 22:39.34 | mmnicolas | you will find this funny to read if you havent read it yet, a guy file a bug report, he gets a friendly answer saying the driver has never been tested on real hardware |
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| 22:41.35 | amee2k | mmnicolas: umm, i haven't |
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| 22:42.04 | amee2k | but i've read several times that tne 4500 and 55x0 are basically the same hardware inside |
| 22:42.30 | mmnicolas | this driver was built with no technical information at all, he used usb sniffing reports from users |
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| 22:43.38 | amee2k | using their command to get debugging info out of it, it just says "Found 0 devices" and exits |
| 22:45.07 | amee2k | and i don't get any of the "hp5590_*" messages |
| 22:47.04 | mmnicolas | there isnt much, just saying: "trying to initialize, beginning, beginning to fail, failing." |
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| 22:49.02 | AndroUser2 | if i use lvm to resize a volume is that any more dangerous than using gparted? i don't wnna lose my fs |
| 22:49.36 | mmnicolas | amee2k: you're using sid right ? |
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| 22:55.47 | mmnicolas | AndroUser2: my guess would be yes, a little bit like settings your disks to dynamic in windows, irreversible, catastrophic, etc |
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| 22:58.40 | amee2k | mmnicolas: i'm not even getting these messages. just says no devices found |
| 22:58.47 | amee2k | and yeah i think its sid |
| 22:58.58 | amee2k | whatever name stable has these days |
| 22:59.21 | amee2k | (sorry for the delay, my dsl "piece of :X" router crapped out again) |
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| 23:00.07 | mmnicolas | amee2k: check in /var/log it might produce log files somewhere in there |
| 23:00.33 | mmnicolas | or maybe just type dmesg |
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| 23:02.16 | mmnicolas | im not noticing any delay, im researching previous cases like yours to find a recent post with a sane dev saying it doesnt really work |
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| 23:02.55 | mmnicolas | or maybe how to make it work, some guy said it works with ubuntu |
| 23:03.03 | mmnicolas | flawlessly |
| 23:03.42 | mmnicolas | so, are you running sid ? i didnt catch your answer |
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| 23:04.38 | amee2k | i think so. i'm running stable/5.0.5 |
| 23:04.43 | amee2k | whatever name that is >_> |
| 23:04.49 | mmnicolas | ah |
| 23:04.50 | mmnicolas | lenny |
| 23:05.07 | amee2k | mmnicolas: dmesg only gives me the usual new usb device found message, and thats it |
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| 23:05.37 | amee2k | and so does syslog |
| 23:05.55 | mmnicolas | no driver registration ? |
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| 23:06.05 | amee2k | at least no such messages |
| 23:06.21 | amee2k | but an interresting note that it works on ubuntu |
| 23:06.42 | amee2k | might just be an incentive to try that again, after the disaster i had with the 9.4 -> 9.10 upgrade :X |
| 23:08.32 | mmnicolas | make sure you have libsane-extras installed |
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| 23:08.46 | mmnicolas | from the description thats the package with the driver |
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| 23:09.26 | mmnicolas | its not the same name though |
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| 23:10.10 | amee2k | yeah, that was the first thing i checked |
| 23:10.20 | amee2k | even before i checked the bot factoid and asked here |
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| 23:13.11 | extnct | hey, does anyone know how I can make aptitude use my ipv4 address instead of v6? |
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| 23:13.56 | mmnicolas | amee2k: i believe i got it |
| 23:14.05 | amee2k | oh? |
| 23:14.07 | amee2k | where? |
| 23:14.54 | mmnicolas | amee2k: it appears you device id it not even recognized since it doesnt load the driver |
| 23:15.10 | amee2k | it doesn't? |
| 23:15.19 | mmnicolas | this is patched in a package in the repos proposed-updates |
| 23:15.21 | amee2k | i've added it to /etc/sane.d/dll.conf |
| 23:15.25 | mmnicolas | http://release.debian.org/proposed-updates/stable_diffs/usbutils_0.73-10lenny1.debdiff |
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| 23:15.34 | amee2k | oh, hm. |
| 23:15.54 | amee2k | ummm |
| 23:15.57 | amee2k | what is that link?! |
| 23:16.12 | mmnicolas | just a diff file |
| 23:16.17 | mmnicolas | its the patch itself |
| 23:16.45 | amee2k | and how do i apply that? |
| 23:16.46 | amee2k | :) |
| 23:17.29 | mmnicolas | add lenny-proposed-updates before between or at the end of main contrib etc |
| 23:17.38 | extnct | i need a way for apt-get to stop reaching out to mirrors on ipv6, without disabling ipv6 system-wide. anyone? |
| 23:18.26 | amee2k | okay |
| 23:18.53 | amee2k | mmnicolas: how much risk is there that this will break something? |
| 23:19.04 | amee2k | (i understand there is more than just the sane package in there) |
| 23:20.10 | mmnicolas | yea, you should use apt pinning usually, but in this case, not so risky |
| 23:20.10 | amee2k | do i add it to just the "lenny" lines in sources.list, or the lenny/updates and volatile too? |
| 23:20.30 | mmnicolas | just one |
| 23:21.02 | amee2k | "pinning" ? |
| 23:21.20 | mmnicolas | just don't upgrade while having this in your sources |
| 23:21.32 | amee2k | okay :) |
| 23:21.37 | mmnicolas | aptitude update, get the package you want, then remove it |
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| 23:22.14 | amee2k | updating now |
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| 23:22.54 | amee2k | done. how do i specifically update the parts i need? |
| 23:23.02 | amee2k | i.e. whatever that diff thing fixes :) |
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| 23:24.34 | mmnicolas | aptitude install usbutils |
| 23:24.46 | edgardoweb | hi how are u guys doing |
| 23:24.58 | mmnicolas | fine you |
| 23:25.30 | amee2k | says 0 installed, 0 upgraded |
| 23:25.36 | amee2k | is that correct? o.O |
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| 23:26.21 | mmnicolas | not really, it means its already in |
| 23:26.28 | amee2k | i'm doing reinstall now |
| 23:26.39 | amee2k | that got me /usbutils_0.73-10lenny2_amd64.deb |
| 23:27.11 | mmnicolas | it downloads from the proposed-updates ? |
| 23:27.34 | mmnicolas | oh wait |
| 23:27.38 | amee2k | how do i tell from the aptitude install output? |
| 23:27.49 | amee2k | says: Get:1 http://ftp.de.debian.org lenny/main usbutils 0.73-10lenny2 [185kB] |
| 23:28.14 | mmnicolas | aptitude -t lenny-proposed-updates install usbutils |
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| 23:28.56 | amee2k | mmnicolas: still gets me the same version |
| 23:29.10 | amee2k | usbutils_0.73-10lenny2_amd64 |
| 23:29.31 | mmnicolas | ok, then you should copy the output of dmesg in a pastebin |
| 23:29.39 | amee2k | all of it? |
| 23:30.22 | mmnicolas | plug and power on your scanner, wait a few secs, then take the last 3 pages |
| 23:30.25 | moldovean | , versions usbutils |
| 23:30.27 | judd | usbutils -- etch: 0.72-7; lenny: 0.73-10lenny2; sid: 0.87-5; squeeze: 0.87-5 |
| 23:30.45 | mmnicolas | clever |
| 23:31.11 | amee2k | thats how much? 150 lines? |
| 23:31.36 | amee2k | http://paste.debian.net/87431/ |
| 23:32.40 | moldovean | amee2k, you have the right usbutils for lenny , lenny-proposed-updates has no usbutils .. |
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| 23:33.31 | mmnicolas | amee2k: sure nothing happenned after that ? |
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| 23:34.37 | amee2k | mmnicolas: yeah |
| 23:34.53 | amee2k | just checked again. last message is still 934129.140710 |
| 23:35.21 | amee2k | moldovean: ah, okay. that kinda explains it then |
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| 23:35.36 | mmnicolas | and this versions contains the proper devid |
| 23:35.41 | amee2k | but judging from the version number, the one i've got already contains the patch above |
| 23:35.49 | mmnicolas | yea it does |
| 23:35.54 | amee2k | okay |
| 23:36.08 | mmnicolas | it was 0.73-10lenny1 |
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| 23:38.11 | aaroninfidel | how can I transfer files from one server to another? |
| 23:38.30 | amee2k | how about scp? |
| 23:38.31 | mmnicolas | scp |
| 23:38.42 | aaroninfidel | how do you use it? |
| 23:39.01 | aaroninfidel | does it matter how big the filesize is? the file is 2.5gb |
| 23:39.03 | amee2k | scp some.file user@host:/place/to/drop/stuff/off |
| 23:39.07 | mmnicolas | scp [source] [dest] |
| 23:39.18 | moldovean | !scp |
| 23:39.18 | dpkg | scp is Secure Copy, part of the ssh suite, and a very handy program. The client program is in the openssh-client package and it just uses the ssh server at the other end so you don't need to install anything special on the server (openssh-server package). ssh + cpio. Install <scponly> to restrict commands to scp-users. More information: <sftp>, <sshfs>. |
| 23:39.20 | amee2k | ummm, thats a pretty big one |
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| 23:39.37 | aaroninfidel | yeah, I got a pipe error when I used it. :/ |
| 23:39.57 | amee2k | if you have a slow box and fast network, you probably won't saturate the line |
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| 23:40.08 | aaroninfidel | what does that mean? |
| 23:40.22 | mmnicolas | aaroninfidel: you need to have openssh-server installed on both sides |
| 23:40.28 | amee2k | if you've got slow network and fast processor, the SSH compression can actually get you some extra bandwidth |
| 23:40.55 | aaroninfidel | I've got ssh on both. |
| 23:41.00 | aaroninfidel | one box is fast, the other is slow. |
| 23:41.11 | aaroninfidel | I'm trying to migrate. |
| 23:41.15 | aaroninfidel | to the fast box. |
| 23:41.23 | mmnicolas | is this in a lan or over the net ? |
| 23:41.28 | aaroninfidel | over the net. |
| 23:41.49 | amee2k | aaroninfidel: ssh encrypts the transfer, which is kinda slow on slow systems. so if you have a slow system but fast network, the processor will become the bottleneck |
| 23:42.07 | aaroninfidel | yeah... the box chokes up all the time :/ |
| 23:42.15 | mmnicolas | its still the best way to get it done |
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| 23:42.31 | amee2k | for comparison, my laptop's P3 1000MHz bugs out at 3..4 MB/s for scp |
| 23:43.00 | amee2k | my X2 5600+ satures dual 100Mbps links |
| 23:43.02 | moldovean | box chokes up ? HDD issue ? |
| 23:43.25 | moldovean | aaroninfidel, ^^ |
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| 23:43.42 | amee2k | mmnicolas: so... got any other ideas to try than compiling from sane scratch or installing ubuntu? |
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| 23:44.02 | mmnicolas | amee2k: upgrading to squeeze if this is your personal computer |
| 23:44.16 | amee2k | ummm it is |
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| 23:44.52 | mmnicolas | its already frozen, will soon be stable, so you could life the whole fabulous life cycle of a release from the beginning |
| 23:44.59 | amee2k | but i've tried testing a while ago after the ubuntu ->9.10 upgrade disaster |
| 23:45.00 | mmnicolas | s/life/live |
| 23:45.15 | amee2k | and i didn't really know how to make heads or tails of it |
| 23:45.19 | amee2k | i've been running stable and the other linux distribution beginning with U for a long time |
| 23:46.06 | mmnicolas | why is it a head or tail problem ? |
| 23:46.15 | I_Died_Once | question: running debian squeeze - trying to run a program called "subsonic" which is a streaming web server for music files and such.... |
| 23:46.31 | I_Died_Once | check out this output and hopefully someone can help me make sense of this |
| 23:47.03 | amee2k | (as a side note, when i asked some probably rather noobish questions about testing here , i got told somewhat impolitely to stick to stable, or an impolite ubuntu reference) |
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| 23:47.31 | I_Died_Once | http://planetmofo.pastebin.com/jSjN2fpx |
| 23:47.33 | mmnicolas | amee2k: sure, but it will soon be stable |
| 23:47.39 | amee2k | okay |
| 23:47.54 | mmnicolas | and what if you don't have to ask for anything |
| 23:48.10 | mmnicolas | you wont have lost much except time |
| 23:48.32 | amee2k | uh, reinstalling a system twice is a lot of time, you know ;) |
| 23:48.55 | amee2k | but i could dig up an old hard drive somewhere and install testing on that |
| 23:49.26 | mmnicolas | you can install squeeze or lenny 4 times while you install xp/vista |
| 23:49.40 | amee2k | hu? |
| 23:49.41 | amee2k | ummm |
| 23:49.50 | amee2k | this isn't a gaming system, you know |
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| 23:50.07 | mmnicolas | why would i assume that ? |
| 23:50.20 | amee2k | or why else would you install windows? |
| 23:50.36 | mmnicolas | i was just making a installing-time comparison |
| 23:50.44 | I_Died_Once | mmnicolas - you can dual boot a computer to do both debian (or any OS, really) along side xp/vista/whatever |
| 23:50.45 | amee2k | okay |
| 23:51.00 | mmnicolas | meaning it installs really fast |
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| 23:51.08 | I_Died_Once | not sure if thats what you are talking about... |
| 23:51.13 | mmnicolas | I_Died_Once: yea... i know :P |
| 23:51.14 | amee2k | yeah, debian usually does :) |
| 23:51.36 | I_Died_Once | i love debian, i just hate that stable doesnt use kde4 |
| 23:51.58 | I_Died_Once | if lenny used kde4 i wouldn't touch squeeze |
| 23:52.07 | amee2k | yeah, me too |
| 23:52.21 | mmnicolas | really.. i didnt have the courage to stick to kde during the "rebirth" period |
| 23:52.22 | amee2k | but more generally i hate that stable versions are usually 12 months or older |
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| 23:52.46 | mmnicolas | amee2k: that's the good thing about debian |
| 23:53.02 | amee2k | ubuntu kinda did away with that for a while, and also made binary drivers somewhat less of a pain |
| 23:53.15 | amee2k | but they really screwed up with the 9.4->9.10 upgrade imo |
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| 23:53.52 | amee2k | 9.10 wouldn't install at all on one box i had, and had serious issues on the other one i tried |
| 23:53.58 | I_Died_Once | i didnt like ubuntu when i tried it |
| 23:54.06 | dvs | amee2k: that's why I run testing |
| 23:54.17 | I_Died_Once | it seemed, to me, like it was aimed at idiots |
| 23:54.28 | I_Died_Once | that might not be the best choice of words, but thats whats up |
| 23:54.45 | amee2k | dvs: i can understand that. just that i didn't get the impression that it is too noob-firendly really |
| 23:55.12 | mmnicolas | amee2k: it might not be, but if it works! |
| 23:55.46 | amee2k | when i had no clue when i tried last time, it didn't work ;) |
| 23:56.00 | I_Died_Once | anyone see the collegehumor clip about the Matrix running on windows XP? |
| 23:56.11 | mmnicolas | yea |
| 23:56.11 | dvs | amee2k: you're right. It isn't noob friendly |
| 23:56.13 | I_Died_Once | at the end, Neo say "Ubuntu? I'm going to learn... Ubuntu?" |
| 23:56.52 | I_Died_Once | i'm not good enough at compiling to take on slackware, so debian is a nice little distro |
| 23:57.11 | I_Died_Once | besides, it is linux after all and you can still compile and do whatever you want with your system |
| 23:58.32 | mmnicolas | Being good at compiling: type "./configure ; make ; make install", congratulate yourself. |
| 23:58.46 | mmnicolas | the hardest part is the wait |
| 23:59.18 | mmnicolas | and you want to stay and watch it because it might crash near the end and you don't want to miss that moment |
