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| 00:05.00 | willmore | does debian have any stock tool for manipulating gpio type LEDs? |
| 00:05.36 | willmore | I can't tell if it's the kernel module not working or if I'm not tickling the files in /sys properly. |
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| 00:11.54 | starenka_ | hi, is it okay to pile a choqok bug in debian bts? i don't if this issue is debian specific or not. |
| 00:12.50 | dondelelcaro | starenka_: is it a problem that manifests itself in the debian packaged version of choqok? |
| 00:13.31 | starenka_ | dondelelcaro: i don't know. i don't have another machine to test |
| 00:15.30 | dondelelcaro | starenka_: are you using Debian? |
| 00:15.36 | starenka_ | yes |
| 00:15.45 | starenka_ | squeeze |
| 00:15.51 | dondelelcaro | starenka_: and the bug happens on the machine running Debian with Debian's choqok package, right? |
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| 00:16.05 | starenka_ | yes\ |
| 00:16.18 | dondelelcaro | starenka_: then yes, file a bug against choqok using reportbug |
| 00:16.45 | dondelelcaro | starenka_: the BTS is for any bug against a package that Debian distributes, even if the bug needs to be solved by the actual developers of that package |
| 00:16.59 | starenka_ | okay |
| 00:17.16 | dondelelcaro | starenka_: the maintainer (or you, even) will look at the bug, file it upstream if necessary and mark it forwarded, or if it's a Debian-specific issue, resolve the issue |
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| 00:17.48 | starenka_ | nice, now the last thing, what is reportbug? |
| 00:17.51 | dondelelcaro | (at least, that's how it's supposed to work; since we're always short of people to do work, it doesn't always happen.) |
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| 00:18.15 | dondelelcaro | starenka_: it's a command line program that walks you through the process of filing bugs in Debian. See http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting for more details |
| 00:18.25 | starenka_ | ty |
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| 00:18.39 | dondelelcaro | (it also collects things like what version you're running, and possibly other things that the package maintainer may find useful.) |
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| 00:22.42 | starenka_ | lol reportbug just crashed. how to report a bug in reportbug? :)) |
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| 00:22.59 | antlarr | hi |
| 00:23.04 | antlarr | when is Squeeze scheduled to be released? |
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| 00:24.10 | dondelelcaro | !wwsr |
| 00:24.11 | dpkg | Squeeze is now frozen and will release <WIR>, <SIYH>. See http://lists.debian.org/20100806134418.GC9183@halon.org.uk and http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100806 . Ask me about <squeeze bet>. |
| 00:25.24 | tsccof | why is debian stable so outdated? |
| 00:26.15 | beardy | Because it is so stable. |
| 00:26.32 | tsccof | it is as stable as it is outdated then |
| 00:26.32 | antlarr | hehe |
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| 00:27.15 | antlarr | "When It's Ready" and "Sooner If You Help" doesn't look like a well defined date :) |
| 00:27.21 | beardy | It's not outdated since it is very much used, it is well tested. |
| 00:27.57 | tsccof | oh yea, it is outdated since the packages were released quite some time ago |
| 00:28.07 | antlarr | I would say it is outdated AND very much used and tested |
| 00:28.22 | tsccof | and I have had issues that were related to not being updated |
| 00:28.46 | tsccof | system freezes |
| 00:28.52 | tsccof | so that's kind of pointless |
| 00:28.53 | HermanDE | tsccof, Bleeding edge usually has the problem of sheading blood trying to use it.... |
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| 00:29.24 | beardy | "system freezes" has a reason, be specific. |
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| 00:29.41 | tsccof | it does, but it might suit servers better than desktops |
| 00:30.04 | antlarr | HermanDE: in my case, I installed today the 2.6.35 kernel from testing and it fixes the support for my sound card (in fact, alsa 1.0.23 does, but it's included in that kernel release) |
| 00:30.14 | HermanDE | tsccof, That is why "EVIL" sid is part of the Debian system. |
| 00:30.34 | beardy | Is there an actual question? This isn't really news. |
| 00:30.51 | hramrach | and because linux sucks you ahve to upgrade the whole kernel in one blob |
| 00:30.59 | HermanDE | antlarr, You could have also compiled your own kernel and created a package for Lenny.... |
| 00:31.12 | HermanDE | antlarr, It's amazingly easy... |
| 00:31.22 | HermanDE | antlarr, Even with proper Debian patches.... |
| 00:31.33 | tsccof | HermanDE: well spotted, but maintaining such an outdated branch simply because it implies stability when some great other operating systems out there using the linux kernel are as stable as debian stable is kind of pointless |
| 00:31.38 | antlarr | in fact, I use sid, because it's usually a bit more updated than stable, and quite stable too |
| 00:31.47 | hramrach | unless it requires newer udev or something |
| 00:32.00 | HermanDE | tsccof, The beauty of Debian... Go your own way... |
| 00:32.02 | hramrach | and acpid stops working because the acpi messaging has changed |
| 00:32.03 | antlarr | HermanDE: I tried using m-a, but alsa had compile errors |
| 00:32.15 | HermanDE | antlarr, m-a is not a kernel builter. |
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| 00:32.38 | HermanDE | antlarr, that is to assist in creating a module for the currently installed kernel. |
| 00:32.39 | antlarr | HermanDE: but it's able to compile alsa, which is what I wanted to upgrade |
| 00:32.41 | beardy | tsccof: Go use them if that's what you think and want. |
| 00:33.01 | tsccof | beardy: oh, I am using them, but that's not a good answer, is it? |
| 00:33.12 | HermanDE | tsccof, That is the answer... |
| 00:33.21 | HermanDE | Some people wait for the "OFFICAL"... |
| 00:33.24 | tsccof | some people like to keep things as they are simply because it has been working "pretty well for us for the last seventeen years" |
| 00:33.32 | HermanDE | Others will pick and choose specific packages.... |
| 00:33.34 | beardy | tsccof: I think so. Because many disagree. |
| 00:33.37 | HermanDE | Some will go 100% with sid. |
| 00:33.38 | spacepluk | tsccof: people have opinions, that's yours... |
| 00:33.52 | tsccof | spacepluk: it's not about the opinions |
| 00:34.01 | HermanDE | There are others who like the "Testing" over Stable. |
| 00:34.05 | spacepluk | tsccof: yes, it is |
| 00:34.17 | tsccof | spacepluk: you reckon |
| 00:34.21 | HermanDE | It's even possible to create a hybrid Debian/Ubuntu system. |
| 00:34.31 | HermanDE | Or go your own way. |
| 00:34.32 | beardy | tsccof: If it isn't then you're just another troll. |
| 00:34.50 | tsccof | from the mountains |
| 00:35.48 | tsccof | it's very easy to call someone a troll and keep yourself inside your bubble of comfort |
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| 00:36.37 | tsccof | and, erm, 2.6.26 --omg-stable |
| 00:36.50 | HermanDE | tsccof, The decisions between Flexibility and Stability are yours. Debian offers you any road in between. Have fun.... |
| 00:37.13 | beardy | It's not a bubble of comfort. We've both stated our opinions. Going on can mean nothing else. Why go to a distrospecific channel and start whining about it if not for trolling. |
| 00:37.38 | tsccof | beardy: I am not "trolling", I am discussing |
| 00:37.40 | peterrooney | tsccof: presenting incorrect (but plausible) statements is pretty much the definition of trolling. debian oldstable can be considered outdated, debian stable is not. |
| 00:38.18 | tsccof | beardy: you see it as "trolling" because you are familiar with seeing it as "trolling" since you have seen "trolls" before |
| 00:38.23 | HermanDE | peterrooney, I've got servers running OldStable just fine. |
| 00:38.24 | antlarr | so, is there any specific list of things that should be done for Squeeze to be considered ready? |
| 00:38.30 | tsccof | so anyone who comes in here and criticises the system is necessarily a troll for you |
| 00:38.33 | AimHere | I find that anyone who says something like 'Oh, so disagreeing is now trolling, is it?' is pretty much always going to be a troll |
| 00:38.43 | HermanDE | peterrooney, Kind of hard for me to classify that as unsupportable.... :) |
| 00:38.48 | antlarr | or is it only left to the decision of the release manager? |
| 00:38.54 | AimHere | Getting into interminable arguments on the definition of 'troll' is a good troll fallback. |
| 00:39.01 | peterrooney | well, outdated does NOT mean unuseable |
| 00:39.02 | spacepluk | tsccof: so, what's your point? |
| 00:39.27 | antlarr | a roadmap or something? |
| 00:39.29 | tsccof | I just wanted to know exactly *why* there is such and outdated stable branch |
| 00:39.32 | streuner_ | antlarr: as always help to fix bugs? |
| 00:39.36 | tsccof | still maintained |
| 00:39.59 | tsccof | and that in my experience has proven to be less stable than some other systems out there |
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| 00:40.04 | tsccof | I just want to know the reason |
| 00:40.05 | streuner_ | antlarr: no roadmap or something else helps more |
| 00:40.06 | tsccof | that's all |
| 00:40.13 | HermanDE | tsccof, Are you talking about the OS or specific programs? |
| 00:40.22 | tsccof | other OSs |
| 00:40.26 | peterrooney | tsccof: the problem is with our dictionaries. define "outdated" |
| 00:40.50 | tsccof | pidgin-2.4.1 is pretty outdated |
| 00:40.55 | tsccof | 2.7.3 is out |
| 00:41.00 | spacepluk | that's the way things are done. You maintain a stable version until a new one comes out. |
| 00:41.00 | tsccof | there is quite a gap in there |
| 00:41.04 | antlarr | streuner_: do you mean that only critical bugs are left to release Squeeze? |
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| 00:41.09 | HermanDE | tsccof, So, install SID.... |
| 00:41.11 | antlarr | or critical+grave ? |
| 00:41.25 | HermanDE | tsccof, Or download Pidgin yourself. |
| 00:41.31 | tsccof | HermanDE: I am not looking for the solution, I am looking for the reason |
| 00:41.43 | streuner_ | tsccof: did you ever heard of backports? |
| 00:41.56 | HermanDE | tsccof... Debian is a complete Operating System. |
| 00:42.13 | tsccof | streuner_: yea |
| 00:42.15 | HermanDE | tsccof, Debian is considered up to date and stable. |
| 00:42.22 | HermanDE | tsccof, ...Debian Lenny.... |
| 00:42.31 | tsccof | HermanDE: it is stable, but it isn't updated(lenny) |
| 00:42.31 | rudi_s_ | tsccof: It's simple. You can't have both: stability and current versions, Debian chose stability. That's all. Newer versions are available through backports as streuner_ already mentioned (and you can always compile something yourself if you have to). |
| 00:42.38 | beardy | tsccof: Are you referrng to oldstable, or stable. What's wrong with supporting a release for the people that are running it. It doesn't hurt the ones that do go on and upgrade as soon as a new stable is released. |
| 00:42.52 | HermanDE | tsccof, The specific Program versions were set when Debian 5.0 was considered stable. |
| 00:42.55 | tsccof | I did compile many things myself, without source packages, from tarballs |
| 00:43.10 | beardy | Another answer would be "because we can and want to". |
| 00:43.14 | tsccof | and I humbly disagree, I run a system that is really updated and it is really really stable |
| 00:43.20 | tsccof | rock solid |
| 00:43.32 | rudi_s_ | tsccof: How do you do that? |
| 00:43.36 | peterrooney | tsccof: so do I, and it's called debian stable. |
| 00:43.37 | HermanDE | tsccof, Any major changes of the set program versions would move the OS out of the "Debian 5.0 Stable" category. |
| 00:43.43 | tsccof | rudi_s_: I run Slackware |
| 00:43.49 | streuner_ | oh |
| 00:43.58 | tsccof | rudi_s_: and I update things myself from source |
| 00:44.16 | HermanDE | tsccof, ......How do you compile programs without the source? |
| 00:44.17 | peterrooney | tsccof: and are you having a current issue running or installing debian? |
| 00:44.25 | HermanDE | tsccof, I'm done.... |
| 00:44.39 | tsccof | but I don't want to start flaming X vs. Y, I honestly just wanted to know the reason for lenny to be outdated |
| 00:44.42 | HermanDE | I fed the troll..... And he spit up.... |
| 00:44.43 | rudi_s_ | tsccof: I don't see how that would make it more stable .. you still have to fix problems when updating a package. |
| 00:44.55 | tsccof | rudi_s_: such as? |
| 00:45.02 | rudi_s_ | tsccof: The name is the reason, stability. |
| 00:45.16 | spacepluk | it's dead giveaway. updates = new bugs |
| 00:45.21 | rudi_s_ | tsccof: Program behavior changes, new configuration defaults, etc. ... |
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| 00:45.40 | tsccof | rudi_s_: my box is at least as stable as debian lenny, but it is a lot more updated |
| 00:45.40 | rudi_s_ | New versions introduce new bugs/changes/behavior .. that's not stable. |
| 00:46.06 | tsccof | rudi_s_: new mesa versions have also introduced a lot of bug fixes |
| 00:46.09 | rudi_s_ | tsccof: Use it and be happy. My box running stable is stable as well (and I don't have to invest any work in keeping it stable). |
| 00:46.16 | spacepluk | you could complain about sid beign too new and unstable |
| 00:46.17 | tsccof | rudi_s_: my lenny box crashed over 8 times because of mesa-7.0 |
| 00:46.43 | tsccof | rudi_s_: I also don't have to invest any work on keeping it stable |
| 00:46.48 | beardy | One man on one machine, one arch "compiling from source" must be better than a large teem of people in determining stability. Hope you've hd your Saturday "lol". |
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| 00:47.16 | rudi_s_ | tsccof: Then how do you update it .. without any work? |
| 00:47.36 | tsccof | rudi_s_: working on updating is different than working on keeping stable |
| 00:47.37 | rudi_s_ | But anyway, EOD for me. Be happy using Slackware, I'm happy with my old stable Lenny. |
| 00:48.00 | rudi_s_ | tsccof: Not for me. I want a system to work .. not update it when it's not necessary. |
| 00:48.13 | rudi_s_ | Ah, btw. |
| 00:48.14 | rudi_s_ | !sns |
| 00:48.14 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 00:48.14 | tsccof | beardy: in my experience, it turns out to be better |
| 00:48.49 | tsccof | rudi_s_: what if you have to update it because it is a necessity? |
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| 00:49.04 | rudi_s_ | tsccof: The sns snippet told you. Backport it. |
| 00:49.05 | tsccof | rudi_s_: try to get 2.6.3X on debian lenny out of apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 00:49.05 | spacepluk | tsccof: then you take the risk |
| 00:49.18 | tsccof | it just won't :) |
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| 00:50.18 | tsccof | well yea, I really admire Debian as an OS, but I just wanted to know the reason and now I am leaving without a proper answer |
| 00:50.28 | tsccof | good bye |
| 00:50.37 | rudi_s_ | tsccof: Stability. Bye. |
| 00:51.04 | peterrooney | tsccof: predictability of dependency interactions |
| 00:51.04 | tsccof | rudi_s_: that's not a concrete answer, I have more stability and my system is a lot more updated |
| 00:51.18 | tsccof | peterrooney: I handle dependencies myself |
| 00:51.25 | spacepluk | tsccof: pay more attention then. |
| 00:51.34 | tsccof | spacepluk: ? |
| 00:51.36 | peterrooney | tsccof: you keep using that word, updated. what does it mean? |
| 00:51.54 | rudi_s_ | tsccof: Then you have a different definition of stability. Stability means something works without outside intervention for me. |
| 00:52.12 | tsccof | peterrooney: updated means something that is not completely old when compared to the latest stable release of a programme |
| 00:52.13 | spacepluk | tsccof: you had plenty of proper answers. you're just obsessed with updates. |
| 00:52.14 | rudi_s_ | That means no updating all the time, the system just does what it's told. |
| 00:52.26 | rudi_s_ | And that's what Debian stable provides. |
| 00:52.48 | tsccof | rudi_s_: stability for me means you can leave the thing on and it doesn't crash on your face |
| 00:52.49 | peterrooney | tsccof: anyways, the real question is, do you have a question related to your couple-month-old debian install? |
| 00:52.51 | stew | debian intends for "stable" to mean "not changing" |
| 00:52.52 | rudi_s_ | (I've to admit it took me a while myself to understand that updates aren't necessary all the time .. but I've come to understand it.) |
| 00:53.15 | rudi_s_ | tsccof: Yeah, for me as well. And that's how Debian's stable (most of the time) works. |
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| 00:53.31 | rudi_s_ | And if you don't like stable, use testing. |
| 00:53.45 | tsccof | I am not obsessed with updates, I want things to work right, but many things didn't work right for me in debian lenny because the packages were outdated |
| 00:54.11 | tsccof | and when using another OS that was supposedly more "unstable", it turned out to be more stable than lenny, and it just worked |
| 00:54.24 | tsccof | hence my initial question |
| 00:54.29 | rudi_s_ | tsccof: Then why bother with Debian, use the other system. |
| 00:54.51 | spacepluk | tsccof: that's fair, in your specific case |
| 00:54.53 | stew | tsccof: so your outstanding question is "why is debian stable outdated"?' |
| 00:55.03 | tsccof | rudi_s_: yea, you are right, I quit using Debian and got another OS, but I really just wanted to know the reason |
| 00:55.04 | spacepluk | most of the time updates = trouble |
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| 00:55.15 | tsccof | stew: yea |
| 00:55.19 | stew | tsccof: it was officially frozen in 2008 |
| 00:55.30 | tsccof | stew: why? |
| 00:55.42 | stew | tsccof: becuase that's what we mean by stable "its not going to change" |
| 00:55.43 | rudi_s_ | tsccof: Exactly what spacepluk is saying. Updates may cause trouble, stable avoids that. |
| 00:55.50 | stew | tsccof: the next version of stable was frozen last month |
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| 00:56.16 | tsccof | yea I do agree, many times bleeding edgeness does cause trouble |
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| 00:56.39 | tsccof | but I do think it is also related to the way things are compiled, I noticed when doing everything myself, things turn out to be great |
| 00:56.59 | stew | tsccof: what is related to the way things are compiled? |
| 00:57.04 | tsccof | fedora used to be really unstable, and it is quite okay nowadays, but it is still ugly in terms of real stability |
| 00:57.36 | tsccof | stew: I used to have a lot of problems with Fedora 11, and it is quite bleeding edge |
| 00:57.47 | tsccof | stew: it was really unstable |
| 00:57.47 | stew | tsccof: i can't help you with fedora |
| 00:58.05 | tsccof | stew: you sure can talk about it, if you want |
| 00:58.16 | stew | tsccof: perhaps, but not in this channel |
| 00:58.23 | stew | tsccof: perhaps in ##linux |
| 00:58.47 | tsccof | anyway, I was just wondering if part of the instability is related to packaging and compiling options |
| 00:59.24 | tsccof | when compiling the latest stable release of a programme myself, it is mostly really stable |
| 00:59.39 | tsccof | I haven't had any issue so far |
| 00:59.41 | rudi_s_ | tsccof: No, it's because the programs change .. |
| 00:59.43 | unomi | it has to do with undesirable features |
| 01:00.22 | unomi | you put together a set of versions of programs that seem to work well together, and then you lock it, considering it stable |
| 01:00.24 | spacepluk | tsccof: static linking? |
| 01:00.56 | tsccof | spacepluk: yea |
| 01:01.07 | spacepluk | there you have it |
| 01:01.10 | stew | tsccof: for us to be able to answer questions about programs crashing, if that's what you mean by 'instable" we'd need more specifics |
| 01:01.47 | tsccof | do you agree that updates do fix bugs? |
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| 01:02.02 | stew | sometimes, do you agree that updates introduce bugs? |
| 01:02.20 | tsccof | haven't experienced any issue related to that |
| 01:02.29 | stew | tsccof: debian does constantly |
| 01:02.29 | tsccof | that's what I can say |
| 01:02.49 | stew | tsccof: if you need help with something in particular, you'll have to be more specific about what types of things are breaking |
| 01:03.13 | Hanz | Hi! Sb. would like to help me? My hard disk containing the squeeze system is nearly full, are there general ways to create some space? |
| 01:03.18 | tsccof | well, thanks, but there isn't any particular issue, no |
| 01:03.38 | stew | Hanz: "aptitude autoclean" or "aptitude clean" perhaps? |
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| 01:04.32 | Bushmills | Hanz: general way to create space is by removing files. |
| 01:04.48 | Hanz | ^^ sure |
| 01:04.51 | stew | Hanz: do you have multiple partitions? if so, which are filling up? |
| 01:05.05 | Bushmills | the larger the better |
| 01:05.28 | Hanz | ooooook, aptitude autoclean deleted ca. 2 gb |
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| 01:06.23 | Hanz | yes I got several partitions on one harddisk (20gb) 6 are for the system |
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| 01:07.04 | Hanz | and I really did not need the packages? |
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| 01:08.47 | tsccof | well, bye everyone |
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| 01:08.57 | jhutchins_lt | nebukad_afk: ubuntu is NOT a kind of debian, it is a seperate distribution based on debian sources. |
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| 01:12.48 | Hanz | and is there an equivalent to the windows defragment function? |
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| 01:13.13 | streuner_ | no |
| 01:13.21 | Hanz | argh |
| 01:13.34 | streuner_ | usually you dont need defragment on a *nix FS |
| 01:13.57 | Hanz | ahyo, once read about it |
| 01:14.22 | Hanz | well, thank you very much so far |
| 01:14.29 | streuner_ | np |
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| 01:27.24 | dbtid | i just installed debian 5.05 and the only screen resolutions i get are 640x480 and 800x600. the monitor will do a whole lot more. aren't there some graphical tools that will let me adjust this, or do i have to resort to editing the x server's config file? |
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| 01:59.23 | Tekk_ | I know that squeeze is now frozen, but does testing stay testing? |
| 01:59.40 | streuner_ | dpkg, testing |
| 01:59.40 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
| 01:59.43 | Tekk_ | like, will I have to go through a major update when squeeze transfers from testing to stable and something else becomes testing? |
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| 02:00.30 | streuner_ | Tekk_: if you have in your sources.list testing it will update to every new package in testing |
| 02:01.19 | streuner_ | Tekk_: if you have in your sources.list squeeze it just update to squeeze package in future, and in future to stable hopefully |
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| 02:01.44 | Tekk_ | streuner_: ok, thanks |
| 02:01.47 | streuner_ | np |
| 02:02.04 | Tekk_ | I was debating whether to use unstable or testing for an install just to play around with, and that was my biggest concern with using testing ;) |
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| 02:02.18 | krabador | hi i need a testdisk expert |
| 02:02.39 | streuner_ | Tekk_: if you have to ask, just use/install stable/lenny |
| 02:03.04 | Tekk_ | streuner_: I knew I didn't wanna use lenny, I was just split between squeeze and sid ;) |
| 02:03.08 | streuner_ | get some experience and use something else latter (unstable/testing) |
| 02:03.24 | streuner_ | s/latter/later/ |
| 02:03.33 | Tekk_ | streuner_: I *do* have experience, this definitely isn't my first distro, but it's the first time I've used debian directly |
| 02:03.38 | Tekk_ | so I'm not all that familiar with how the releases go |
| 02:04.02 | Tekk_ | but now I know I want to go with squeeze |
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| 02:15.15 | krabador | hi i need a testdisk expert |
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| 02:22.18 | peterrooney | krabador: it has 4 options... what do you want to do? |
| 02:22.48 | krabador | peterrooney, i checked with testdisk my sandisk sansa fize |
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| 02:25.57 | krabador | peterrooney, fuze and i got this http://pastebin.com/QL2c6sJz |
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| 02:32.20 | krabador | peterrooney ? |
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| 02:36.40 | f0ner00t | Okay my wireless connection / internet worked till today. Now I can connect to my wirless connection but I cannot surf or ping anything on my network. On other computers my wireless network works fine why? |
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| 02:38.38 | f0ner00t | Can anybody assist? |
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| 02:51.20 | rusha | f0ner00t dns working ? |
| 02:51.27 | rusha | first try to ping your gateway |
| 02:51.34 | rusha | if that works make a nslookup google.com |
| 02:51.39 | rusha | and see what this tells you |
| 02:51.46 | rusha | if that does not work try |
| 02:52.03 | rusha | echo nameserver <ip of your dns> >> /etc/resolv.conf |
| 02:52.06 | rusha | if that don`t work |
| 02:52.06 | rusha | try |
| 02:52.15 | rusha | echo nameserver 8.8.8.8 >> /etc/resolv.conf |
| 02:52.18 | rusha | thats google`s pub dns |
| 02:52.28 | sernin | and 8.8.4.4 |
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| 02:53.17 | ZaxEZ | why would u use googles DNS servers lol |
| 02:55.31 | sernin | Because they don't have redirection on missing A records? |
| 02:55.37 | sernin | e.g. comcast? |
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| 03:14.58 | rusha | well for example in the case that ur dns is not working? |
| 03:15.00 | rusha | ^^ |
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| 03:20.52 | cast | if i have an hdd image, how would i access each partition? i could use an offset with losetup but that seems a bit nasty, i could use it as an iscsi initiator but that seems overkill |
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| 03:29.09 | Tortel | anyone know why make-kpkg would add + to the end of the kernel name? |
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| 03:29.24 | Tortel | im running it from a script |
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| 03:35.22 | b_52light_ | hi |
| 03:35.30 | b_52light_ | ppl i'm using debian |
| 03:35.42 | b_52light_ | and my /etc/X11/xorg.conf is empty |
| 03:35.45 | streuner | thats we do too |
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| 03:35.54 | b_52light_ | where xorg put the conf file |
| 03:36.03 | b_52light_ | streuner, :d |
| 03:36.04 | streuner | thats the usual case nowadays |
| 03:36.29 | b_52light_ | streuner, i want try to have a dual monitor ! , need to modify the file ! |
| 03:36.44 | streuner | what does you stop to create one? |
| 03:36.59 | karlpinc | cast: I'd use losetup with offsets from sfdisk -l -uS, YMMV. |
| 03:37.22 | b_52light_ | streuner, i never touced xorg before and i want to see what are the default settings ? |
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| 03:40.05 | streuner | dpkg, listkeys dual |
| 03:40.07 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'dual' by key (15 of 21): #debian dual boot ;; #debian dualboot ;; be dual-boot barbie ;; brain of the individual ;; debiandualboot ;; dual boot ;; dual boot guide ;; dual head ;; dual monitors ;; dual monitors lenny ;; dualboot ;; dualceleron ;; dualhead ;; dualscan ;; windows+linux dual boot. |
| 03:40.21 | streuner | dpkg, dual monitors lenny |
| 03:40.21 | dpkg | For a wide desktop over multiple monitors ("xinerama"), you can either configure your layout in /etc/X11/xorg.conf or, from lenny onwards, with xrandr. See http://www.jejik.com/articles/2008/10/setting_up_dual_monitors_system-wide_with_xrandr_on_debian_lenny/, http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12, http://thinkwiki.org/Xorg_RandR_1.2. Or ask me about <xrandr>. |
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| 03:40.58 | streuner | b_52light_: ^^^ i hope this help you, sorry, i have no experience with dual monitors... |
| 03:40.58 | b_52light_ | streuner, thanks |
| 03:41.07 | b_52light_ | yeah thanks |
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| 04:18.00 | sneex | Would someone please remind me why/where the new fstab is? The old /etc/fstab is empty and a file system didn't get picked up during installation and I am sorta tired of mounting manually -- and I am hesitant to just edit fstab if that is in fact the old way :P |
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| 04:40.31 | mnuhmnuh | ideas? linuxmint, sound works, external speakers only one works. :-( what'm I doin' wrong? |
| 04:40.46 | cast | mnuhmnuh: not using debian. |
| 04:41.07 | cast | mnuhmnuh: looking for help among people who don't care |
| 04:41.09 | mnuhmnuh | mint is debian downstream. |
| 04:41.28 | cast | !linuxmint |
| 04:41.28 | dpkg | Linux Mint is a distribution based on <Ubuntu>. It is not Debian and we are unable to assist. http://linuxmint.com/forum http://www.linuxmint.com/ #linuxmint on irc.spotchat.org. See also <based on Debian>. |
| 04:41.40 | cast | nods |
| 04:43.43 | mnuhmnuh | sigh. you guys need to get out more. downstream debian is every bit as cool as lenny. :-) |
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| 04:45.09 | cast | we probably do need to get out more, so we like to limit #debian to being about debian |
| 04:45.16 | cast | saves time ;) |
| 04:46.02 | mnuhmnuh | IT'S ALL DEBIAN! ffs. |
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| 04:46.30 | cast | if it were debian wouldn't it be called debian |
| 04:46.39 | cast | wouldn't it be downloaded from debian.org |
| 04:47.00 | mnuhmnuh | if i can apt-get, it's debian. |
| 04:47.18 | cast | besides, why aren't you asking in #Ubuntu with this line of logic |
| 04:47.27 | sneex | I just installed Debian Squeeze on 2 systems (one using hda and one using sda - one has a populated fstab and one is empty) ... Would someone please remind me why/where the new fstab is? The old /etc/fstab is empty and a file system didn't get picked up during installation and I am sorta tired of mounting manually -- and I am hesitant to just edit fstab if that is in fact the old way :P |
| 04:47.49 | HermanDE | sneex, sounds like a really bad bug. |
| 04:47.49 | cast | sneex: /etc/fstab is the current way :) |
| 04:47.54 | mnuhmnuh | ah, #ubuntu, thx, good idea. |
| 04:48.21 | cast | AFAIK the only situation you have to write your own fstab is when you do a debootstrap install |
| 04:48.31 | HermanDE | mnuhmnuh, Which port are you pluggin in the speakers? |
| 04:48.39 | cast | HermanDE: don't encourage him. |
| 04:48.41 | HermanDE | mnuhmnuh, Is it a mono port? |
| 04:48.59 | HermanDE | Feed the hungry.... |
| 04:49.25 | cast | help people help themselves.... |
| 04:49.52 | HermanDE | And there are times when a very simple question and lead to really quick answers.... |
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| 04:50.03 | cast | the general issue is next time he has a non-debian problem, he'll come ask here |
| 04:50.14 | cast | because anything with apt-get is debian, apparently |
| 04:50.40 | sneex | I have Redhat 9 and it's got an empty fstab :P ... just kidding; I'll go pick on google some more Thanks |
| 04:50.41 | HermanDE | I'm with you. |
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| 04:51.17 | mnuhmnuh | HermanDE: headphones, and soundcard ports (this's Compaq Evo desktop). |
| 04:51.20 | HermanDE | Telling a user to fsck off to another platter is usually not the best way.... |
| 04:51.37 | cast | we could ban him |
| 04:51.53 | mnuhmnuh | HermanDE: Altec Lansing external speakers :-) |
| 04:51.57 | cast | telling a user to fsck off to the *correct* platter is the right way |
| 04:52.45 | HermanDE | mnuhmnuh, Is the connector working? |
| 04:52.47 | cast | sneex: when you say mounting it manually, so this is a non-critical-for-system filesystem? |
| 04:54.45 | mnuhmnuh | HermanDE: I can play sound out of it, but it's all coming out of one speaker; no stereo. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntm1YfehK7U is that stero, or am I using bad input? |
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| 04:55.11 | mnuhmnuh | i should try a cd |
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| 04:58.42 | mnuhmnuh | Exaile (never heard of it!) plays a ripped CD fine, out of onlt one speaker. :-P |
| 04:59.43 | mnuhmnuh | sumfin's wrong down below, methinks |
| 04:59.45 | HermanDE | mnuhmnuh, Is the audio connector on the computer clean and working? |
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| 05:00.31 | mnuhmnuh | HermanDE: appears to be; checking ... |
| 05:03.55 | mnuhmnuh | HermanDE: thx for tryin', i'll fiddle with it. |
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| 05:09.39 | mnuhmnuh | cast: get over your prejudice. debian downstreams are debian. they're just a little less debian. and maybe more. |
| 05:10.05 | HermanDE | mnuhmnuh, Cast has a very good point. |
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| 05:10.41 | HermanDE | mnuhmnuh, That is why there are multiple channels for different systems. |
| 05:10.56 | sneex | cast: I'm thinking it is not wanting to write an /etc/fstab because I said to reuse the filesystems but the one /dev/sda3 isn't being mounted even tho I entered it manually as well (/boot swap and / were all accepted and mount at boot but /migbu (on /dev/sda3) didn't get mounted :P |
| 05:11.23 | HermanDE | mnuhmnuh, And a downstream distro is not Debian Proper. It is Debian "Based"... |
| 05:11.29 | sneex | :P I'll figure it out |
| 05:11.44 | HermanDE | mnuhmnuh, Which can be like a movie "Based on a true story"... |
| 05:12.07 | mnuhmnuh | HermanDE: you can run Elive or Mint using apt-get, just like Lenny. It's not all that different. |
| 05:12.13 | jelly-home | mnuhmnuh: /msg dpkg based on debian |
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| 05:12.41 | HermanDE | mnuhmnuh, And Red Hat can apt-get... So can Slack. |
| 05:12.56 | HermanDE | mnuhmnuh, Does that mean that Redhat or Fedora are Debian? |
| 05:13.03 | jelly-home | mnuhmnuh: derivatives have specific sets of packages and modifications, not all rules for Debian will apply |
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| 05:13.14 | sneex | ClearOS is a erfect example -- it is a spin of CentOS which is based off RHEL :P |
| 05:13.34 | HermanDE | mnuhmnuh, APT is a well designed tool. |
| 05:13.50 | HermanDE | mnuhmnuh, Most distros based on Linux have ported APT. |
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| 05:14.35 | HermanDE | mnuhmnuh, I think that Android has a slighty modified version of APT running their market place application. |
| 05:14.52 | HermanDE | mnuhmnuh, Should we consider Android Debian? |
| 05:15.00 | mnuhmnuh | HermanDE: :-) I'm just sayin', debian's apt* stuff makes all of the debians compatible. If you know one, you can find your way around them all. |
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| 05:15.54 | cast | i can only conclude, you've redefined debian to mean something other than the OS we use |
| 05:16.01 | HermanDE | mnuhmnuh, that is a very dangerous and silly statement. |
| 05:17.00 | cast | differing distro's with apt-get are *not* compatible at all. maybe you just lack experience, or common sense, or a lead free diet growing up |
| 05:17.00 | mnuhmnuh | HermanDE: just talking from a suer wrt apps/config standpoint |
| 05:17.27 | HermanDE | mnuhmnuh, If you feel that way, you should have no problem in mixing Ubuntu, Mint, Debian SID and Debian stable packets in one OS. |
| 05:17.49 | cast | i think thats a fanatastic idea, put all 5 in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:17.54 | sneex | :P Happy OS'ing :) |
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| 05:18.08 | HermanDE | mnuhmnuh, Uh... This is exactly what I'm talking about. Try and install the Ubuntu version of Grub2 on your Mint.... |
| 05:18.13 | mnuhmnuh | cast: i'm just talking about configging a system, not binary compat, & etc. |
| 05:18.31 | HermanDE | mnuhmnuh, Then stare at the grub prompt for a while.... |
| 05:18.32 | cast | mnuhmnuh: the configuration files are in different places and in different formats |
| 05:18.53 | HermanDE | mnuhmnuh, Give us a call when your computer can't boot.... |
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| 05:19.16 | cast | wanders off to compile linux |
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| 05:20.47 | mnuhmnuh | cast: :-) i went through that the other day. "Hey kids, how do I add $DEBIAN to /etc/apt/sources.list?" DON'T! |
| 05:21.48 | HermanDE | mnuhmnuh, Certainly it wasn't a compatibility issue.... Must have been spelling... |
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| 05:28.29 | mnuhmnuh | cast: "cast wanders off to compile linux", you bastard. i've been trying to get back to burning kernels for a long time now, AND YOU'RE THROWING THAT IN MY FACE! Grumble, mumble, ... |
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| 05:32.10 | mnuhmnuh | wtf is make-kpkg? |
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| 05:33.03 | HermanDE | mnuhmnuh, The quick way for making kernels.... |
| 05:33.08 | mnuhmnuh | s/wtf/where the .../ |
| 05:33.57 | mnuhmnuh | methinks mint's biting me. :-) |
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| 05:40.03 | mnuhmnuh | HermanDE: "The quick way for making kernels...." ... yes? honest, I built kernels on SLS and Slackware in '93. I'll be okay. mint doesn't appear to know about make-kpkg ... hmm. |
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| 05:41.09 | HermanDE_ | mnuhmnuh, Where you in 1989? BSD kernel compilation was the BOMB... |
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| 05:41.45 | HermanDE_ | mnuhmnuh, Or doing a school project in 1981 on a TRS-80 to replace TRS DOS? |
| 05:42.00 | HermanDE_ | Assembly is where it's at.... |
| 05:42.11 | HermanDE_ | 1000MPH verses 10mph with scripts.... |
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| 05:43.04 | HermanDE_ | mnuhmnuh, How far do you want to go back? |
| 05:43.42 | HermanDE_ | Punch cards fever loading C games? |
| 05:44.07 | HermanDE_ | And praying that the reader isn't jammed up.... |
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| 05:44.27 | HermanDE_ | Just to get the latest hit on Hunt the Wumpus.... |
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| 05:45.03 | mnuhmnuh | HermanDE_: you're beginning to explain very well why we get along so well. MSDOS DEBUG --> WIN 3.1 --> *nix --> infinity. |
| 05:46.12 | mnuhmnuh | HermanDE_: Raytheon 500 w card readers. Thunk, thunk, ... |
| 05:46.14 | HermanDE_ | Never touched MSDOS in a production environment... UNIX->CP/M->UNIX->NT..... |
| 05:47.38 | HermanDE_ | Pizza + Beer+ a hacked version of Star Trek + punch card admin that liked games.... |
| 05:48.57 | HermanDE_ | Greasy keys on a Wyse terminal was the definition of a good night.... |
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| 05:50.34 | patriick | how do i make multiple different terminals in one screen? I tried alt+2 or alt+f2 doesn't work |
| 05:51.36 | HermanDE_ | patriick, Are you trying to show more than one screen at a time? |
| 05:51.49 | HermanDE_ | patriick, Or just shift between different screen? |
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| 05:51.52 | patriick | HermanDE_: no im on debian netinstall |
| 05:51.59 | mnuhmnuh | HermanDE_: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qRJIBtbc2c |
| 05:52.07 | patriick | and i want to switch in a diff terminal within the same screen |
| 05:52.13 | HermanDE_ | patriick, Try.. ctl-alt-f1 |
| 05:52.25 | opakavic | patriick: you are supposed to open multiple terminal in a single things, means use terminater |
| 05:52.31 | opakavic | !terminatorr |
| 05:52.34 | opakavic | !terminator |
| 05:53.24 | mnuhmnuh | still tryin to understand why only right speaker says anything, drat, my prob., good tune. |
| 05:53.52 | opakavic | dpkg terminator |
| 05:53.53 | dpkg | opakavic: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 05:54.04 | opakavic | LoL |
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| 05:55.08 | opakavic | vaasu, you are from india |
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| 05:55.49 | mnuhmnuh | patriick: man screen |
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| 05:57.50 | patriick | HermanDE_: lol u made me restart my comp XD |
| 05:58.03 | vaasu | opakavic, what makes you say that? |
| 05:58.20 | patriick | HermanDE_: im trying to do it thru ssh, ctl-alt-f1 made me lose X |
| 05:58.31 | opakavic | vaasu is a indian tamil langauage name ! |
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| 05:58.34 | HermanDE_ | patriick, Yep.... |
| 05:58.48 | vaasu | ooo! hehe |
| 05:58.49 | HermanDE_ | patriick, Then you could have used ctrl-alt-f7 to get it back. |
| 05:59.06 | HermanDE_ | Multi terminals can be fun. |
| 05:59.09 | patriick | HermanDE_: ahh thank u |
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| 05:59.21 | HermanDE_ | patriick, Is that what you are looking for? |
| 05:59.29 | opakavic | vaasu: i thought of more indian are using debian |
| 05:59.41 | patriick | HermanDE_: no, cuz i still can't do that thru ssh XD |
| 05:59.49 | patriick | HermanDE_: on the other comp |
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| 06:00.15 | HermanDE_ | patriick, you need screen. |
| 06:00.26 | HermanDE_ | patriick, aptitude install screen |
| 06:00.48 | HermanDE_ | patriick, ensure you use man screen |
| 06:00.49 | opakavic | HermanDE_: did you heared about terminator application |
| 06:00.51 | HermanDE_ | It is a very powerful and cool system. |
| 06:00.53 | patriick | so man screen irssi |
| 06:00.59 | patriick | then i could still switch? |
| 06:01.11 | mnuhmnuh | i just said that. |
| 06:01.30 | patriick | i never heard of terminator idk about that |
| 06:01.41 | HermanDE_ | Screen allows you to switch in and out of terminals by using key presses. |
| 06:02.08 | nsadmin | no, man screen or man irssi depending on which page you want |
| 06:02.31 | patriick | basically i just want two different terminals in one screen; one for irssi the other for rtorrent |
| 06:02.42 | HermanDE_ | terminator is for X11. |
| 06:02.55 | opakavic | patriick: Terminator - Multiple GNOME terminals in one window |
| 06:02.55 | HermanDE_ | patriick, Not a problem. |
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| 06:03.12 | HermanDE_ | patriick, Do you have a graphic interface or text interface? |
| 06:03.27 | patriick | its debian netinstall without X |
| 06:03.29 | nsadmin | as long as they're text based, shouldn't be a problem, you just run screen, run whichever, detach, run screen, run the other, detach |
| 06:03.55 | HermanDE_ | patriick, run screen. |
| 06:03.56 | patriick | nsadmin: i didn't want to run 2 different screens :-\ |
| 06:03.58 | HermanDE_ | simple. |
| 06:04.07 | nsadmin | you just said you did |
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| 06:04.27 | HermanDE_ | terminator is a Java application that requires X11. |
| 06:04.28 | patriick | i said i wanted two terminals in one screen :-\ |
| 06:04.31 | nsadmin | it will HAVE to be two separate screens |
| 06:04.38 | HermanDE_ | patriick, then go for splitvt |
| 06:04.44 | nsadmin | oh, maybe splitvt |
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| 06:04.55 | patriick | ahh ok thanks for letting me know its not simple |
| 06:05.04 | HermanDE_ | patriick, It puts a vertical line across the middle and allows two seperate terminals..... |
| 06:05.14 | patriick | im a barebones guy so i'll just use 2 diff screens... |
| 06:05.25 | HermanDE_ | ....Hormonal.. |
| 06:05.42 | HermanDE_ | Gawd I'm tired... |
| 06:05.46 | HermanDE_ | Horizonal..... |
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| 06:06.04 | HermanDE_ | patriick, aptitude install splitvt |
| 06:06.09 | mnuhmnuh | HermanDE_: you're tired?!? |
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| 06:06.24 | patriick | HermanDE_: lol no way im not gonna waste my time learning how to use that |
| 06:06.36 | HermanDE_ | mnuhmnuh, Built up a complete CRM system across two days.... |
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| 06:06.49 | HermanDE_ | mnuhmnuh, Going live Monday with 5000 users.... |
| 06:07.10 | HermanDE_ | Testing... Who needs it... |
| 06:07.50 | cast | hmm....if i want to stop login's spawning on tty2-tty7...what file would i edit, i know its in /etc somewhere... |
| 06:07.50 | mnuhmnuh | HermanDE_: just sympathizing. :-) go ahead, colapse in a heap in the corner. good for you. |
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| 06:08.12 | HermanDE_ | cast, /etc/inittab |
| 06:08.18 | cast | cheers :) |
| 06:08.20 | HermanDE_ | cast, Then init -q |
| 06:08.31 | cast | i'm using UML and don't like to get spammed with 7 consoles |
| 06:08.37 | HermanDE_ | Or is that rm -fr / ? |
| 06:08.43 | HermanDE_ | Hmmm.... |
| 06:08.51 | HermanDE_ | don't do my suggestion.... |
| 06:09.04 | cast | this isn't ubuntu, we're not completely insane ;) |
| 06:09.09 | ThisNicknameIsnt | :) |
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| 06:09.33 | cast | btw, what init has a -q option? |
| 06:09.34 | HermanDE_ | I'm still expecting to see people fall off.... |
| 06:09.59 | cast | that said, ubuntu would ban you for even mentioning that sequence of characters |
| 06:10.21 | HermanDE_ | cast, Quiet.... |
| 06:10.25 | mnuhmnuh | cast: i think you're supposed to think rconf (?!?) |
| 06:10.38 | cast | wth is rconf |
| 06:10.44 | HermanDE_ | cast, Just rereads the inittab |
| 06:11.03 | HermanDE_ | cast, And shuts down or starts the init daemons. |
| 06:11.04 | cast | ahh, its just not documented in the manpage |
| 06:11.44 | HermanDE_ | cast, rconf is not in Lenny.... |
| 06:11.50 | HermanDE_ | cast, by default |
| 06:12.12 | digifor | Why does my background no display in jwm on squeeze? http://pastebin.ca/1933173 |
| 06:12.37 | Trawlen | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chfruZxjkEk |
| 06:13.21 | digifor | I just get the horrible grey default background as seen on wikihow: http://www.wikihow.com/Use-Joe%27s-Window-Manager-%28JWM%29 |
| 06:15.04 | cast | HermanDE_: or squeeze it seems |
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| 06:16.46 | patriick | hey guise how to get the latest version of irssi on debian? |
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| 06:17.17 | cahoot | patriick: you mean lenny? |
| 06:17.46 | cahoot | !backports |
| 06:17.46 | dpkg | [backport] a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/ . Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 06:17.47 | cast | patriick: compile and install in /usr/local/stow/irssi, is what i do |
| 06:20.23 | patriick | cast: im a newb i need a guide :P |
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| 06:24.56 | opakavic | patriick: think that irssi is in main server, jus apt and get it, apt-get install irssi |
| 06:26.56 | jpinx | !why aptitude |
| 06:26.56 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). |
| 06:27.17 | patriick | opakavic: latest version has bug fixes i want |
| 06:27.45 | jpinx | patriick: opakavic please use aptitude ^^^ |
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| 06:30.31 | opakavic | jpinx: yes you are right, apt-get -f install can resolves that, but you said that aptitude do that automatically , i follow that :) |
| 06:31.01 | jpinx | ;) |
| 06:31.24 | patriick | not what i asked for -.- |
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| 06:31.42 | patriick | so apt-get -f install irssi will put on the latest version? |
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| 06:32.02 | jpinx | patriick: depends on your sources list |
| 06:32.22 | patriick | so is there a repository with 8.5 in it |
| 06:32.31 | jpinx | ,versions irssi |
| 06:32.32 | judd | irssi -- etch: 0.8.10-3; etch-backports: 0.8.12-7~bpo40+1; lenny: 0.8.12-7; lenny-backports: 0.8.15-1~bpo50+1; sid: 0.8.15-1; squeeze: 0.8.15-1 |
| 06:32.45 | jpinx | patriick: no |
| 06:33.02 | patriick | jpinx: i meant 8.15-1 lol |
| 06:33.09 | jpinx | does irssi 0.8.5 even exist? |
| 06:33.33 | jpinx | patriick: use backports |
| 06:33.42 | patriick | how to use backports |
| 06:33.48 | jpinx | !backports |
| 06:33.48 | dpkg | well, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/ . Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 06:34.20 | patriick | does that -1 at the end mean its on rc1? |
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| 06:34.50 | jpinx | patriick: follow the guide |
| 06:35.09 | jpinx | !backports.org |
| 06:35.09 | dpkg | backports.org is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://deb.li/bpoi . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added: "aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update". <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents> <bpo list> <backports-users> <bpo kernel> |
| 06:35.59 | patriick | can't i just add it and install irssi then remove it :X |
| 06:36.12 | jpinx | add what? |
| 06:36.30 | patriick | add it to sources.list |
| 06:36.59 | jpinx | add lenny-backports to your sources list and leave it there |
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| 06:37.14 | jpinx | you invoke it with a special option in aptitude |
| 06:37.48 | jpinx | patriick: please read the guide and follow the instructions -- they work ;) |
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| 06:39.40 | kripz | how do i fix "insserv: warning: script 'rtorrent' missing LSB tags and overrides," |
| 06:40.37 | patriick | jpinx: what a great guide |
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| 06:47.33 | patriick | jpinx: no public key? |
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| 06:56.29 | mnuhmnuh | patriick: please, wtf are you trying to do again? |
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| 07:00.19 | jpinx | mnuhmnuh: he's using bpo for irssi |
| 07:01.37 | patriick | mnuhmnuh: nvm |
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| 07:05.42 | digifor | Anybody using jwm on debian? |
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| 07:15.46 | kripz | how do i fix "insserv: warning: script 'rtorrent' missing LSB tags and overrides," |
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| 07:24.40 | jonkri | what user is running cron jobs? i get a message saying "/bin/sh: chroot: command not found" on a command that can be executed as root |
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| 07:25.29 | kermit | jonkri: it should be in your /var/logs |
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| 07:34.08 | phorce1_home | ok, I give. Where are pidgin settings (like account info) stored? Trying to duplicate my primary system copying things like ~/.irssi/config etc. but can't locate the pidgin stuff |
| 07:34.16 | jonkri | kermit: what is? |
| 07:34.36 | jonkri | phorce1: try looking for .libpurple, .purple or something |
| 07:34.41 | kermit | jonkri: the answer to your question |
| 07:34.48 | jonkri | kermit: in what log file specifically? |
| 07:34.59 | jonkri | phorce1: they have separated the gui from the messaging library i think |
| 07:34.59 | kermit | jonkri: thaht i dont know, just search for CRON |
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| 07:36.02 | phorce1_home | kermit: Ahh, thanks. Pile of xml files in ~/.purple |
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| 07:36.52 | jonkri | kermit: all i can tell from these log files are that the cron jobs are in fact performed by root |
| 07:37.05 | jonkri | there are no entries about the chroot cron jobs |
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| 07:37.49 | phorce1_home | also needs to get irssi to highlight partial entries of his nick since tab complete stops on phorce1 first even when he's IRCing from home. |
| 07:38.10 | jpinx | double tab? |
| 07:38.35 | kermit | jonkri: look in /etc/cron* |
| 07:38.50 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
| 07:39.09 | phorce1_home | jpinx: not me, I _KNOW_ I'm using my _home persona. But others tend to stop tabbing when hey see "phorce1" on the screen |
| 07:39.09 | ShapeShifter499 | I'm trying to mount my ipod touch via ifuse and get this error fusermount: mount failed: Operation not permitted anyone know why? |
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| 07:41.57 | jonkri | kermit: those are all system-wide. the line that fails is: 0 0 * * * chroot /chroots/http /usr/lib/cgi-bin/awstats.pl -config=stats.jonkri.org > /dev/null |
| 07:42.17 | jonkri | it's in my "crontab -e" file |
| 07:42.29 | jonkri | no such command "chroot" |
| 07:42.59 | phorce1_home | jonkri: if it's in YOUR crontab -e then it's running as YOU, not root |
| 07:43.07 | jonkri | phorce1_home: i am root |
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| 07:43.41 | jonkri | command works in the terminal, but not in the cronjob script |
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| 07:45.47 | factor | Has anyone gotten a ov51x web cam to work on linux 2.6.32 ? |
| 07:46.18 | phorce1_home | jonkri: try putting it in /etc/crontab and specificaly call it as root in there (look at man 5 crontab for the example system cron file) |
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| 07:51.55 | phorce1_home | there's a lot of files in ~/.purple. This is gonna be a long, slow, scp session |
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| 07:53.49 | functor | http://p.haxdev.org/index.php - what the .... |
| 07:54.02 | functor | ovenight it remounted itself in read-only mode |
| 07:54.04 | functor | what happened |
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| 08:18.59 | factor | I had to manually patch the ov51x code but did compile. |
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| 08:19.22 | factor | wish they would keep it up to date |
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| 08:32.41 | Posterdati | hi |
| 08:33.14 | Posterdati | please I've got a problem on squeeze: I'm doing apt-get dist-upgrade -y, but apt-get and dpkg become zombies at avahi-demon installation :( |
| 08:33.19 | Posterdati | please help |
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| 08:46.20 | djura-san | \o_ |
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| 09:02.09 | _Dave123_ | I have a problem in debian, when i 'startx' it starts , I see the X loading, and then it does graphically nothing anymore and turns to black |
| 09:02.14 | _Dave123_ | Any clues what is going wrong? |
| 09:03.39 | kripz | how do i fix "warning: script 'rtorrent' missing LSB tags and overrides," |
| 09:04.14 | ThisNicknameIsnt | kripz, is there some problem or just a warning message? |
| 09:04.36 | kripz | one of my updates failed irrc |
| 09:04.40 | kripz | iirc* |
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| 09:05.58 | ThisNicknameIsnt | kripz, when do you get that messy? |
| 09:06.21 | kripz | when i did an apt update, i think it was for dependency boot or something |
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| 09:09.33 | fxiny | kripz: could be an old version |
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| 09:11.05 | fxiny | kripz: go to the wiki : http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts/DependencyBasedBoot |
| 09:11.52 | fxiny | kripz: check with : aptitude search ~o |
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| 09:13.34 | fxiny | the wiki url is in the insserv warning |
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| 09:14.45 | ThisNicknameIsnt | _Dave123_, do you have anything to run in that X? |
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| 09:15.51 | _Dave123_ | ThisNicknameIsnt: yes, Truecrypt |
| 09:16.49 | fxiny | check xorg log |
| 09:17.03 | _Dave123_ | no errors relevant |
| 09:17.08 | HackeMate | hello, i have an avermedia volar hd pro, where can i find information about use in linux or drivers? |
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| 09:18.21 | Hounddog | hi, i am trying to use clonezilla to do a backup of a system... i assigned 500gb in the virtualbox and the system to backup has 250gb... i am allways getting that the harddisk is full... i am clueless on what to do ... |
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| 09:19.13 | factor | I cant seem to get my web cam to enumate a video device |
| 09:19.38 | factor | I have /dev/video0 for my TV card but need /dev/video1 for my web cam |
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| 09:19.51 | factor | how do I create a /dev/video1 |
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| 09:26.27 | cahoot | should be creatd when you attach the cam |
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| 09:26.41 | factor | right but it is not |
| 09:26.56 | factor | the light is on on the cam ,also lsusb shows it active. |
| 09:27.00 | cahoot | check dmesg when attaching it |
| 09:27.15 | factor | but ls /dev/vid* only shows /dev/video0 |
| 09:27.32 | cahoot | also cheese for see it it 'works' |
| 09:27.33 | factor | 655.662950] usbcore: registered new interface driver snd-usb-audio |
| 09:27.33 | factor | [ 655.663229] usbcore: registered new interface driver ov519 |
| 09:27.33 | factor | [ 655.663236] ov519: registered |
| 09:28.18 | Gijs | People help |
| 09:28.23 | Gijs | i cannot do anything but i am root |
| 09:28.34 | Gijs | userdel: unable to lock password file |
| 09:28.51 | Gijs | rm: cannot remove `backup.tar': Read-only file system |
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| 09:29.05 | Gijs | de:/home# whoami |
| 09:29.05 | Gijs | root |
| 09:29.06 | cahoot | filesystem corrput? |
| 09:29.11 | Gijs | how to fix that? |
| 09:29.11 | factor | cahoot, cheese just shows my TV card |
| 09:29.40 | cahoot | factor: seems you have incomplete support for the cam - missing firmware? |
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| 09:30.30 | Gijs | anybody? |
| 09:30.46 | cahoot | filesystem corrupted? Gijs |
| 09:30.54 | HackeMate | i have an usb avermedia volar hd pro, i installed tvtime but it says /dev/video0 doesn't exist, how can i enable the usb ? |
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| 09:31.12 | Gijs | well how to fix that? |
| 09:31.18 | factor | [ 644.817565] ov51x_jpegUSB OV519 video device found |
| 09:31.19 | factor | [ 649.836728] ov51x_jpeg: Can't determine sensor slave IDs |
| 09:31.19 | factor | [ 649.836738] ov51x_jpeg: OV519 Config failed |
| 09:31.27 | factor | I get that also but later shows what I posted above |
| 09:31.28 | fxiny | to fix ? check kern.log first |
| 09:31.42 | hramrach | Hello |
| 09:31.55 | hramrach | is there some cddb replacement that works? |
| 09:32.09 | cahoot | factor: what't the usbid of the cam? |
| 09:32.25 | hramrach | I tried the freedb server with cdda2wav and it says connection refused |
| 09:32.37 | factor | cahoot , Bus 001 Device 015: ID 05a9:8519 OmniVision Technologies, Inc. OV519 Webcam |
| 09:33.03 | hramrach | cdda2wav -paranoia -D /dev/sg1 -L 0 -B cddbp-server=freedb.freedb.org |
| 09:33.21 | Gijs | what i need to see in kern.log? |
| 09:34.02 | cahoot | factor: http://ovcam.org/ov511/cameras.html - seems there are a few troublesome devices |
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| 09:34.58 | Gijs | this is the last part of kern.log: http://pastebin.com/tp5cbVD1 |
| 09:35.23 | factor | choot , mine is the GE target cam , which all are said to be working |
| 09:35.38 | factor | I was reading I have to create a fake video device |
| 09:35.50 | factor | gstfakevideo |
| 09:35.53 | jemark | is away: Away |
| 09:36.18 | Gijs | anybody? |
| 09:36.34 | cahoot | Gijs: did you read yourself? |
| 09:36.41 | jemark | is back (gone 00:00:27) |
| 09:36.59 | cahoot | Gijs: failting disk/connector/cable? |
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| 09:37.08 | spacepluk | Gijs: I got those once before the hard drive died |
| 09:37.14 | Gijs | omg |
| 09:37.15 | Gijs | really? |
| 09:37.52 | cahoot | shit happends |
| 09:37.57 | spacepluk | Gijs: not that strange :P |
| 09:37.59 | digim0nk | hello all .. ubuntu / fedora user .. switching to debian(stable) / fedora .. anything that will surprise me .. wireless support .. nvidia drivers .. package availability |
| 09:38.07 | fxiny | Gijs: most likely you have a fs corrupted as cahoot told you . i had a problem like that and it was the hd wire |
| 09:38.25 | Gijs | so i cannot fix it (with commands) |
| 09:38.26 | Gijs | ? |
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| 09:38.46 | spacepluk | Gijs: backup what you can, and then try fsck |
| 09:38.49 | fxiny | before buying a new one run S.M.A.R.T and check the wiring |
| 09:38.53 | cahoot | harware isn't easily fixed with command |
| 09:39.00 | cast | hmm, given that there is no group nobody, as i was expecting, is nogroup the intended equivilent? |
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| 09:40.26 | fxiny | Gijs: try this : hdparm -C /dev/sda |
| 09:40.51 | Gijs | cant |
| 09:40.57 | Gijs | bash: hdparm: command not found |
| 09:41.02 | nvz | digim0nk: perhaps... the issues you mentioned are largely kernel related and can be solved by a backported kernel or something |
| 09:42.06 | cast | digim0nk: debian has a lot less proprietary junk than ubuntu |
| 09:42.27 | rozie | Gijs: install hdparm? |
| 09:42.45 | nvz | I've been loosly considering switching to ubuntu myself. just to get to know it a lil better |
| 09:42.51 | spacepluk | rozie: he has a funny filesystem :P |
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| 09:43.25 | rozie | run live(CD|USB) then ;) |
| 09:43.27 | visof | hello |
| 09:43.29 | nvz | I've been installing it instead of debian for customers cause it has some dumbed down things like their software center that are nice for newbies, and its a whole lot quicker and easier to install |
| 09:43.31 | spacepluk | Gijs: I'd backup the stuff and boot with the install disk |
| 09:44.06 | Flash_ | nvz, did that and came back. ubuntu is going in directions I don't like, and performance was way down on debian, especially in the server role |
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| 09:45.29 | Flash_ | from a blog i did at the time; "Another server moved from Ubuntu to Debian. CPU load gone from 20-25% constant to 8-12%. Same software (Zoneminder (2 cams), Mythbuntu (3 physical tuners, 6 streams), gnome), same hardware. " |
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| 09:45.52 | nvz | Flash_: I just woke up and I don't remember us talking about anything.. as for performance, that sounds like b.s. to me. the packages are probably so similar its uncanny, only perhaps minor config differences that any real linux admin could do.. like upgrading/optimizing a kernel for a specific task, or reading and editing configs |
| 09:45.57 | digim0nk | nvz: thanks |
| 09:45.58 | Flash_ | on a pure zoneminder server, ubuntu to debian, 80% cpu to 20% |
| 09:46.03 | Gijs | i am using a dedicated server. not a home machine |
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| 09:46.49 | Flash_ | nvz, i was replying to what you just said, not a previous conversation. make your own choice, I'm merely explaining my experiences with that decision, I didn't expect hostility |
| 09:46.55 | _Dave123_ | I have one hard disk with 2 partitions. Partition 1 runs full disk encryption, I can unlock it at boot, and then the Boot loader gives me the choice to boot into debian, from debian I should be able to get to the encrypted (decrypted at boot) partition right ?? which folder in the debian file system can I find this in (its a windows vista install) |
| 09:47.27 | nvz | Flash_: its not hostile, it just makes no rational sense to me |
| 09:47.39 | digim0nk | cast: yeah ... thats why the move .. im feeling claustrophobic :-) |
| 09:47.47 | Flash_ | nvz, the package lists are not identical, far from it. The default installs for both are massively different |
| 09:48.25 | Flash_ | try it, let me know how you get on :) |
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| 09:48.36 | Grey_Loki | Hi, I have a copy of Debain Squeeze running nicely except for my wireless. It works, but seems to be much much slower than the same card (an asus wl-167g) in XPSP3, to the order of ~2secs lag and a max throughput of ~70KB/s, compared to pretty much full speed in Windows. Where can I start looking to see where a bottleneck might be forming? |
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| 09:48.48 | Flash_ | do a "wc -l|ps aux" after installs on both, quite a difference |
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| 09:49.13 | spacepluk | Gijs: a housing? |
| 09:49.13 | Grey_Loki | I'll be playing around with disabling encryption and such as well, but disabling encryption on my wireless network isn't really an option for a permenant fix. |
| 09:49.15 | cast | digim0nk: :) being a Free OS, and being stable, are the two biggest things |
| 09:49.39 | nvz | withdraws from the Ubuntu conversation and should not have gotten into it in the first place |
| 09:49.50 | Flash_ | cool :) |
| 09:49.59 | Gijs | spacepluk what? |
| 09:50.08 | nvz | I'm barely even awake yet |
| 09:50.28 | spacepluk | Gijs: what you mean by dedicated server? is your own machine in a data center or something? |
| 09:50.39 | cast | nvz: dumbed down...exactly what i don't want :) |
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| 09:50.50 | Gijs | no i just rent it |
| 09:51.18 | spacepluk | I'd call them then |
| 09:51.19 | cast | _Dave123_: /boot has to sit unencrypted, so the initrd can be read, which has cryptsetup and crypttab in it |
| 09:52.08 | spacepluk | Gijs: can I ask which company is? |
| 09:52.22 | digim0nk | cast: also community. nvz .. lol |
| 09:53.08 | cast | ahh...try that @ community |
| 09:53.17 | spacepluk | Gijs: I'm considering a virtual server right now |
| 09:53.27 | cast | much higher ratio of people being able to help vs looking for help |
| 09:53.36 | Gijs | well i am 100% sure you are not the same company (it is from a friend) |
| 09:54.01 | spacepluk | thanks |
| 09:54.09 | HackeMate | where can i see if avermedia tv volar hd pro is compatible? |
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| 09:54.40 | factor | ok off to sleep , try to figure out the web cam later |
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| 10:12.37 | xdunlapx | I'm using debian squeeze. I installed java using their executable and instructions. But iceweasel doesn't recognize I have java installed. What can I do to fix this? |
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| 10:15.00 | Grey_Loki | I've just done some more testing on my wireless issue mentioned above - it seems that whether i'm running unencrypted or not, I get 0.61Mb/s, or ~75KB/s, both internally and externally, which indicates to me that the problem is (perhaps obviously) with my debian install somewhere. |
| 10:15.11 | Grey_Loki | Any advances on where I can start looking for wireless connectivity bottlenecks? |
| 10:15.26 | Grey_Loki | Gnome's network manager reports good signal and a 54mbps link to the router |
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| 10:16.27 | jemark | Grey_Loki, try to choose another channel in your router |
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| 10:17.29 | Ox1 | other devices have no problems? |
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| 10:18.17 | spacepluk | xdunlapx: any reason for not using debian packages? |
| 10:18.34 | xdunlapx | i would but i dont know which package to install. |
| 10:18.41 | Grey_Loki | jemark/Ox1 - the network works fine on other devices, and indeed on this exact hardware setup when I reboot into XP, SP3. |
| 10:19.18 | xdunlapx | spacepluk, I do have sun-java6-bin installed |
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| 10:20.03 | spacepluk | xuser: you need sun-java6-plugin to have the browser plugin |
| 10:20.48 | xdunlapx | spacepluk, oh ok thank you |
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| 10:21.16 | xdunlapx | that worked, thank you again. :) I'll make sure to write thta down in case i need to format |
| 10:21.34 | spacepluk | xdunlapx: np :) |
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| 10:25.19 | skeeters | /part |
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| 10:27.51 | thewanderer1 | Debian crashes on my machine in an unpredictable manner, and no logs are left |
| 10:28.21 | thewanderer1 | however, using graphics (KDE4 with effects enabled OR disabled) seems to bring this issue closer |
| 10:28.38 | thewanderer1 | oh, now that I wrote it, it hung again |
| 10:29.08 | thewanderer1 | I am now before a black screen with the mouse cursor - it's a hard lockup |
| 10:29.22 | cast | thewanderer1: what are you usign for a video driver? |
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| 10:29.37 | spacepluk | thewanderer: looks like a driver problem |
| 10:29.40 | thewanderer1 | dmesg tells me it's radeon |
| 10:29.58 | cast | i'd stop using X for a while and see if it stops |
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| 10:30.08 | thewanderer1 | I'll do that |
| 10:30.22 | spacepluk | thewanderer: or you can try the vesa driver |
| 10:30.33 | thewanderer1 | I'll go without X for a while |
| 10:30.42 | visof | hello |
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| 10:30.51 | visof | i can't use mic in skype |
| 10:31.00 | fxiny | thewanderer1: radeon ? firmware maybe ? |
| 10:31.00 | visof | what ashould i do to configure that ? |
| 10:31.34 | thewanderer1 | fxiny: what kind of firmware? I only have "main" in sources.list |
| 10:31.40 | rozie | thewanderer1: can you show lspci of this card? |
| 10:31.43 | _Dave123_ | I have one hard disk with 2 partitions. Partition 1 runs full disk encryption, I can unlock it at boot, and then the Boot loader gives me the choice to boot into debian, from debian I should be able to get to the encrypted (decrypted at boot) partition right ?? which folder in the debian file system can I find this in (its a windows vista install) |
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| 10:31.56 | thewanderer1 | 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS482 [Radeon Xpress 200] |
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| 10:32.30 | gnarface | hello all |
| 10:32.37 | gnarface | i just broke wine with an update, but not to wine |
| 10:32.44 | gnarface | i think ia32-libs jacked me |
| 10:32.52 | gnarface | how do i pin them back to a previous version again? |
| 10:33.15 | spacepluk | thewanderer: I gave up on my ATI and it's collecting dust in some drawer |
| 10:33.21 | fxiny | thewanderer1: when i updated my box to squeeze i could not play mplayer in full screen mode , without radeon firmware .i know it sounds strange but that's how i made it working |
| 10:34.07 | thewanderer1 | I'm running this without X now, I'll see if it breaks |
| 10:34.19 | thewanderer1 | last time I broke it over ssh using apt-get... |
| 10:34.27 | rozie | thewanderer1: which driver do you use? |
| 10:34.30 | fxiny | thewanderer1: is a packaed called : firmware-linux-nonfree_0.26_all.deb |
| 10:34.32 | thewanderer1 | radeon |
| 10:34.45 | thewanderer1 | yeah |
| 10:34.45 | SOUL_OF_R00T | nice day to all |
| 10:34.57 | fxiny | i checked both dmm and debian mplayer |
| 10:34.59 | thewanderer1 | I'm in the console and it's giving me a crash dump |
| 10:35.04 | thewanderer1 | all I did was "ls -R /" |
| 10:35.13 | thewanderer1 | kdm is not running |
| 10:35.25 | rozie | thewanderer1: check memory |
| 10:36.00 | thewanderer1 | rozie: already did, it was clean... |
| 10:36.14 | rozie | how did you check it? |
| 10:36.19 | thewanderer1 | memtest86+ |
| 10:36.22 | _Dave123_ | I have one hard disk with 2 partitions. Partition 1 runs full disk encryption, I can unlock it at boot, and then the Boot loader gives me the choice to boot into debian, from debian I should be able to get to the encrypted (decrypted at boot) partition right ?? which folder in the debian file system can I find this in (its a windows vista install) |
| 10:36.25 | rozie | for how long? |
| 10:36.29 | thewanderer1 | like 1 day |
| 10:36.36 | rozie | oh |
| 10:36.52 | thewanderer1 | it was a few months ago, but I was getting the same crashes... |
| 10:36.52 | rozie | thewanderer1: disk issues eliminated? |
| 10:36.55 | thewanderer1 | no disk. |
| 10:36.56 | cast | i enjoy not having x, life seems less cluttered and simple, |
| 10:37.17 | rozie | thewanderer1: you can use script from http://rozie.blox.pl/2010/01/Jak-bezpiecznie-korzystac-z-uszkodzonej-pamieci.html |
| 10:37.41 | thewanderer1 | thanks, but I don't think my RAM is bad |
| 10:37.43 | rozie | it tests both mem and disc |
| 10:37.55 | rozie | and processor also, a little |
| 10:38.02 | thewanderer1 | I don't have a local hard disk |
| 10:38.47 | rozie | thewanderer1: how capacitors on the motherboard look like? |
| 10:38.51 | spacepluk | thewanderer: is your framebuffer using some ati driver? |
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| 10:39.06 | thewanderer1 | spacepluk: I'm seeing some fb radeon related problems in the dump |
| 10:39.23 | thewanderer1 | it overlaps the screen boundary, though, so I can't quite see the whole message |
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| 10:39.30 | thewanderer1 | rozie: I'll look at them... :P |
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| 10:39.44 | spacepluk | thewanderer: try vesa to discard the ati problems |
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| 10:41.02 | thewanderer1 | vesa? where? I don't have kdm running |
| 10:41.03 | spacepluk | thewanderer: or just take it off if you have some onboard graphics, that how I "fixed" mine lol |
| 10:41.16 | thewanderer1 | I have onboard graphics, this is Radeon X200 |
| 10:41.28 | thewanderer1 | no other card here |
| 10:42.21 | spacepluk | thewanderer: edit your kernel line and append vga=your-mode |
| 10:42.36 | thewanderer1 | alright... |
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| 10:43.10 | thewanderer1 | will this turn off KMS or anything this is using for fb? |
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| 10:44.00 | thewanderer1 | or should I remove the graphics card using soldering iron... |
| 10:44.37 | spacepluk | thewanderer: hehehe, I'm not sure about kms |
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| 10:45.03 | DexterF | hi |
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| 10:45.29 | thewanderer1 | alright, I need to turn this off |
| 10:45.37 | DexterF | what's debian's view on cdbs ? alternative, unwanted, future replacement for the current build tools..? |
| 10:46.23 | abrotman | DexterF: they use it for packages? |
| 10:46.26 | abrotman | !cdbs |
| 10:46.26 | dpkg | [cdbs] Common Debian Build System, a build system for Debian packages based on Makefile inheritance. Located at http://build-common.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 10:46.51 | DexterF | didn't expect that! |
| 10:47.40 | rasputin | can someone tell me - is it possible to install a package and force debconf to ... err not ask anything, since all configuration will be managed via other means |
| 10:48.04 | abrotman | rasputin: how are you going to answer the questions? |
| 10:48.06 | thewanderer1 | I think there's an option to set debconf interface to null or sth like that |
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| 10:49.18 | rasputin | abrotman: abrotman: well i was hoping that the questions merely are used to generate configuration files |
| 10:49.32 | rasputin | so if i could bypass it, and push the configs out via other means |
| 10:49.48 | abrotman | rasputin: debconf-set-selections ? |
| 10:49.50 | rasputin | for example all the libpam-ldapd libnss-ldapd, etc |
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| 10:52.57 | gnarface | err:module:load_builtin_dll failed to load .so lib for builtin L"WININET.dll": libz.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 10:54.43 | thewanderer1 | crap, I can't find a way to get rid of KMS |
| 10:54.51 | rasputin | abrotman: is there a way to generate default answers to debconf-set-selections, or is it time-consuming work? |
| 10:55.19 | sweetpi | gnarface: lib32z1 |
| 10:55.19 | abrotman | rasputin: you can feed it answers ... it has a man page for you to look at quickly |
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| 10:55.51 | rasputin | ill dig deeper thanks :) |
| 10:55.53 | Dilberto | Petition to pressure Kevin Rose to eat uncured pork bacon live on streaming video and drink COLD BEER with it. Have him prove that simple greed and or incompetence was the reason behind Digg 4.0 and its selling out and not something else, if you get my drift! |
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| 10:55.56 | Dilberto | Sign the petition here: |
| 10:55.58 | Dilberto | http://www.petitiononline.com/krbacon/petition.html |
| 10:56.05 | fxiny | thewanderer1: http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting |
| 10:56.53 | thewanderer1 | tried nomodeset and radeon-kms.conf... |
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| 10:57.17 | gnarface | sweetpi: thanks! is there one of those for freetype too? the freetype libs i can find in the ia32-libs package seem to be ignored by wine now |
| 10:57.56 | gnarface | sweetpi: actually now that i'm looking, lib32z1 is already installed too. :( |
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| 10:58.52 | thewanderer1 | oh. |
| 10:58.59 | sweetpi | gnarface: hmm, maybe double check the files actually exist. not sure about freetype |
| 10:59.08 | gnarface | sweetpi: oh weird. i reinstalled it though and now it works, but is missing libasound |
| 10:59.11 | thewanderer1 | I had to use 'nomodeset' AND edit /etc/modprobe.d/radeon-kms.conf |
| 10:59.18 | gnarface | sweetpi: i already installed ia32-libs didn't do anything |
| 10:59.35 | sweetpi | gnarface: lib32asound2 |
| 11:00.22 | gnarface | thanks |
| 11:01.28 | sweetpi | gnarface: looks like freetype should be in ia32-libs, maybe try reinstalling it? |
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| 11:02.21 | gnarface | sweetpi: just did. no change |
| 11:02.50 | gnarface | sweetpi: this was all working until i just updated about an hour ago, something else seems to have jacked it all up - the logs didn't actually show ia32-libs being in the update :( |
| 11:03.58 | sweetpi | gnarface: see if /usr/lib32/libfreetype* exist |
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| 11:04.44 | thewanderer1 | without KMS this seems to work better for now |
| 11:04.52 | gnarface | sweetpi: they *did* - here's something weird though - apt-get --reinstall install ia32-libs actually got rid of the freetype error. i was confusing the zlib error for it |
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| 11:05.19 | gnarface | sweetpi: what's even weirder is that doing a --reinstall of lib32asound2 got sound back in wine too - at least for starcraft II |
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| 11:05.30 | gnarface | cedega still is missing crap though :( |
| 11:07.17 | thewanderer1 | I'm running this memtest script from http://rozie.blox.pl/2010/01/Jak-bezpiecznie-korzystac-z-uszkodzonej-pamieci.html |
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| 11:07.47 | ZenWalker | hi |
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| 11:08.02 | sweetpi | gnarface: sounds like maybe something wiped out your /usr/lib32? or less drastic, maybe try ldconfig |
| 11:08.10 | michalxo | hello all! |
| 11:09.07 | michalxo | I need to make a likttle quirk with my debian booting up. I have to run modprobe acer-wmi everytime after boot up. When should I put it for auto-loading? rc.local file? |
| 11:09.14 | _Dave123_ | I have one hard disk with 2 partitions. Partition 1 runs full disk encryption, I can unlock it at boot, and then the Boot loader gives me the choice to boot into debian, from debian I should be able to get to the encrypted (decrypted at boot) partition right ?? which folder in the debian file system can I find this in (its a windows vista install) |
| 11:09.16 | gnarface | sweetpi: i ldconfiged all over the place. |
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| 11:11.21 | thewanderer1 | I'm only getting a column of "OK" with rozie's memtest script |
| 11:11.26 | thewanderer1 | the system is stable so far |
| 11:11.30 | thewanderer1 | let's try KDE... |
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| 11:13.22 | b_52light_ | hi |
| 11:13.39 | rozie | thewanderer1: you made this source file to be copied from urandom? |
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| 11:14.00 | b_52light_ | ppl where i can found my xorg.conf |
| 11:14.02 | thewanderer1 | rozie: yeah |
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| 11:14.10 | b_52light_ | i'm running withtthe default settings |
| 11:14.20 | thewanderer1 | b_52light_: /etc/X11/xorg.con |
| 11:14.21 | thewanderer1 | f |
| 11:14.21 | b_52light_ | and would like to get my xorg.conf |
| 11:14.22 | streuner | b_52light_: we told you before |
| 11:14.33 | b_52light_ | streuner, morning :d |
| 11:14.41 | b_52light_ | streuner, good memory :D |
| 11:14.53 | b_52light_ | streuner, ok :d |
| 11:14.54 | streuner | b_52light_: do you want my xorg.conf? :-P |
| 11:15.03 | thewanderer1 | so I think it was the KMS after all |
| 11:15.32 | b_52light_ | streuner, lol , that's kind of yu mate :d it's ok :) |
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| 11:16.04 | streuner | b_52light_: without dual monitors, but with VESA ;-) |
| 11:16.23 | mattgirv | Heya |
| 11:16.36 | rozie | as we talk about /etc/modprobe.d/radeon-kms.conf |
| 11:16.43 | rozie | where's documentation to this? |
| 11:16.49 | b_52light_ | streuner, haha :d , thanks it's ok :d |
| 11:17.03 | thewanderer1 | graphics performance in KDE is poor, anyway |
| 11:17.21 | thewanderer1 | rozie: er, I think at http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting |
| 11:17.30 | abrotman | b_52light_: you generally don't need one .. but if you want one, you just create it |
| 11:17.45 | thewanderer1 | oh, great! |
| 11:17.47 | thewanderer1 | crash again! |
| 11:17.58 | thewanderer1 | glxgears just killed me |
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| 11:18.12 | b_52light_ | abrotman, ah ok |
| 11:18.13 | ray_ | hi |
| 11:18.27 | ray_ | i want to ask u about somthing |
| 11:18.37 | abrotman | go ahead |
| 11:18.40 | ray_ | ok |
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| 11:18.56 | ray_ | is debian more reactiv than ubuntu |
| 11:18.59 | thewanderer1 | this graphics card seems to crash my machine |
| 11:19.05 | ray_ | or is it almost the same |
| 11:19.13 | abrotman | reactive? faster you mean? |
| 11:19.16 | streuner | abrotman: he want dual monitors settings |
| 11:19.19 | ray_ | abrotman: yeah |
| 11:19.33 | abrotman | ray_: it can be, depends on the settings you use |
| 11:19.45 | ray_ | abrotman: ok |
| 11:19.59 | jemark | debian lenny? |
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| 11:20.16 | rozie | thewanderer1: thanks. I wonder if it will solve my radeon (Mobility M6 LY) issue |
| 11:20.24 | thewanderer1 | rozie: mine is not solved at all |
| 11:20.37 | thewanderer1 | glxgears for 1 minute resulted in a hard lockup again |
| 11:20.51 | _Dave123_ | I have one hard disk with 2 partitions. Partition 1 runs full disk encryption, I can unlock it at boot, and then the Boot loader gives me the choice to boot into debian, from debian I should be able to get to the encrypted (decrypted at boot) partition right ?? which folder in the debian file system can I find this in (its a windows vista install) |
| 11:21.14 | fxiny | rozie: http://www.ott.net/knowledge/radeon-kms-on-debian-testing/ |
| 11:21.25 | thewanderer1 | _Dave123_: your question is incorrect, there are no "folders", and you have to mount a filesystem for it to become available to you |
| 11:21.33 | rozie | _Dave123_: stop spamming, plese |
| 11:21.36 | rozie | please* |
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| 11:21.57 | abrotman | rozie: how is that spam ? |
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| 11:21.59 | _Dave123_ | thewanderer1: how can i mount it? |
| 11:22.22 | thewanderer1 | !tell _Dave123_ about mount |
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| 11:22.46 | _Dave123_ | how can i find which fs i mount? |
| 11:22.56 | _Dave123_ | when i type mount i only see /dev/sda2 |
| 11:23.10 | _Dave123_ | as currently mounted, which is the ext3 debian fs |
| 11:23.33 | cast | _Dave123_: what does /etc/mtab show? |
| 11:23.48 | thewanderer1 | `fdisk -l` as root will show you all your partitions, and read the manpage will tell you how to mount any of them |
| 11:24.07 | thewanderer1 | you will probably need ntfs-3g for a Windows filesystem, too |
| 11:24.17 | _Dave123_ | cast: there is no /etc/mtab |
| 11:24.20 | rozie | abrotman: writing the same $BIGNUM times a day is like spam IMO |
| 11:24.34 | cast | _Dave123_: i'm going to back away now... |
| 11:25.06 | _Dave123_ | cast: sorry I don't use debian often, but I just need it now to recover something |
| 11:25.15 | _Dave123_ | or else I need to get the correct drivers working for my Graphical card |
| 11:25.20 | abrotman | rozie: i think you left out a word ? |
| 11:25.26 | _Dave123_ | Which is going to take a lot of days as I ca nsee now |
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| 11:25.57 | fxiny | ahhh fixed innserv ;) |
| 11:26.14 | thewanderer1 | _Dave123_: are you on Debian? Debian has /etc/mtab by default... |
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| 11:26.48 | _Dave123_ | thewanderer1: debian etch |
| 11:26.58 | thewanderer1 | etch had that too, afaik |
| 11:27.49 | thewanderer1 | anyway, you need ntfs-3g (I have no idea what state it is in on etch), and then mount your windows partition (which I guess is /dev/sda1, because people often install Windows first then GNU/Linux) at some place |
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| 11:28.26 | _Dave123_ | correct |
| 11:28.32 | _Dave123_ | thewanderer1: ok i install it now |
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| 11:29.01 | thewanderer1 | so I have a machine where the kernel bails out with a hard lockup everytime I try to use the graphics card... |
| 11:29.05 | _Dave123_ | thewanderer1: ok installed, how can I mount the win partition now? |
| 11:29.42 | thewanderer1 | _Dave123_: http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-manual/ |
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| 11:30.05 | fxiny | thewanderer1: yeahh without kms boots faster here as well |
| 11:30.27 | thewanderer1 | I need it not to crash, not just boot faster... :P |
| 11:30.44 | fxiny | i wonder if mplayer plays full screen this time |
| 11:31.21 | fxiny | lemme dump an image |
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| 11:33.48 | gnarface | ok so whatever that update broke, doing a force-reinstall of ia32-libs, lib32asound2 and lib32z1 fixed whatever that update broke in wine, however cedega is still missing native libraries like OPENGL32.dll and such. |
| 11:33.54 | gnarface | w t f? |
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| 11:38.01 | gnarface | is there any way to tell what system libraries wine needs to load certain dlls? like with ldd or something? |
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| 11:39.29 | grapsus | hi! |
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| 11:40.19 | grapsus | how can I rebuild a single module for the debian kernel without rebuilding the whole kernel tree? |
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| 11:41.18 | grapsus | I tried apt-get source linux-2.6 then make oldconfig and make drivers/../mymodule.ko, but when I try to load it, it says "invalid module format" |
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| 11:41.50 | abrotman | generally you cannot |
| 11:42.00 | abrotman | what's wrong with the way the kernel already is? |
| 11:42.22 | grapsus | I need to modify a particular driver |
| 11:42.45 | grapsus | I know how to rebuild the whole with make-kpkg, but it's too long |
| 11:42.50 | rasputin | abrotman: somthing like this should be reliable right: `debconf-get-selections |grep ^my_pkg' ? |
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| 11:42.58 | hramrach | at least copy hte config from the running kernel |
| 11:43.09 | grapsus | doesn't make oldconfig do that ? |
| 11:43.12 | rozie | thewanderer1: disabling KMS was a step in good direction in my case |
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| 11:43.21 | rozie | don't have to blacklist radeon driver now |
| 11:43.32 | abrotman | rasputin: that's to get, not set |
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| 11:43.53 | abrotman | grapsus: it really shouldn't take that long ot build a kernel |
| 11:43.57 | rasputin | abrotman: i know, i mean for extracting what to set on the 99 hosts, after doing so manually on the first |
| 11:44.10 | abrotman | oh .. sure |
| 11:44.15 | rasputin | cool :D |
| 11:44.21 | abrotman | but i think the man page gives you a better way |
| 11:44.39 | grapsus | I don't wnt to rebuild the whole kernel each time I need to modify two lines of code in a module |
| 11:44.49 | grapsus | and don't think kernel devs do that |
| 11:45.16 | Semperfy | can anybody speak german here ? |
| 11:45.21 | rozie | grapsus: use ccache |
| 11:45.29 | thewanderer1 | !de |
| 11:45.29 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
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| 11:45.41 | rozie | you won't recomile whole kernel each time then |
| 11:45.54 | grapsus | what is ccache ? |
| 11:46.27 | grapsus | anyway for what reason can't I make a single module in the kernel tree ? I have the same .config that the running kernel |
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| 11:46.41 | abrotman | grapsus: which kernel? (uname -r) and which module? |
| 11:46.56 | rozie | ccache - Compiler cache for fast recompilation of C/C++ code |
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| 11:47.03 | grapsus | pl2303 and 2.6.32-4 |
| 11:47.10 | hramrach | grapsus: the debian configs thend to omit localversion |
| 11:47.39 | fxiny | seen ? KMS off and i can play full screen leaving firmware-linux-nonfree unistalled |
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| 11:48.00 | grapsus | why does it say "invalid module format" ? I don't think Debian uses a different module format |
| 11:48.23 | abrotman | grapsus: that is not what uname -r says .. and if that's squeeze, your kernel is out of date to start |
| 11:48.28 | fxiny | i have some warning (missing radeon driver) in the logs but i think i'd better look into KMS |
| 11:49.21 | grapsus | abrotman: ok I will update that kernel, but I don't think it will solve this recompilation issue |
| 11:49.45 | abrotman | grapsus: it won't, but at this point, you're starting with a kernel that has other issues (some security-related) |
| 11:50.13 | thewanderer1 | I have 50% packet loss between 2 Debian machines... |
| 11:50.17 | thewanderer1 | LAN |
| 11:51.22 | abrotman | grapsus: and that newer version may include your patch already? |
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| 11:53.32 | fxiny | double checked : set back to 1 /etc/modprobe/radeon-mks.con and mplayer cannot play full screen |
| 11:53.40 | fxiny | conf* |
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| 11:56.01 | fxiny | ahhh radeon_cp requesting R200_cp.bin which is in the firmware |
| 11:56.35 | fxiny | kind of catch22 ;P |
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| 12:02.02 | mocra | i have a dual-monitor system, made by nvidia-settings. on the first monitor i am able to watch youtube-videos in opera, but on the second i can't - there is only a white screen. videos on other sites are possible - what could it be? |
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| 12:06.26 | homie | wtf, debian filled my 74GB /var ??? |
| 12:06.36 | homie | and there's no place anymore ???' |
| 12:06.53 | abrotman | you filled you mean ? |
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| 12:07.48 | jelly-home | it filled itself! |
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| 12:08.49 | bint | so |
| 12:08.50 | bint | here i am |
| 12:09.30 | hramrach | how do I pin package version? |
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| 12:10.47 | abrotman | !tell hramrach about pinning |
| 12:10.53 | hramrach | I set priority to 130 but apt-cache still lists it as 990 |
| 12:11.26 | _Dave123_ | how can i find , whether my debian install is x64 or x86 in comd line? |
| 12:11.52 | abrotman | _Dave123_: dpkg-architecture |
| 12:12.44 | _Dave123_ | abrotman: it says i386 |
| 12:12.52 | abrotman | so it's i386, not amd64 |
| 12:13.08 | _Dave123_ | this is ? x64? |
| 12:13.40 | thewanderer1 | there is no x64, it's called amd64 and your PC is just i386 (x86) |
| 12:13.42 | abrotman | well, it would normally say x86_64 or amd64 |
| 12:13.58 | thewanderer1 | or at least the Debian install. |
| 12:14.43 | _Dave123_ | abrotman: I have AMD64 Duo core |
| 12:15.02 | _Dave123_ | abrotman: but I guess this means I just installed X86 debian at that time? |
| 12:15.12 | abrotman | you mean i386? |
| 12:15.18 | hramrach | abrotman: so in other words it's buggy and generally broken and you shoud not expect to actually set anything with pinning |
| 12:15.27 | abrotman | huh? |
| 12:15.42 | abrotman | hramrach: normally, pinning works just fine |
| 12:15.58 | _Dave123_ | abrotman: in other words, I need to choose which CLI version of Truecrypt I like to download |
| 12:16.10 | abrotman | so choose i386/32bit |
| 12:16.10 | hramrach | no, you cannot pin package version, only reopsitories |
| 12:16.16 | abrotman | !tell hramrach about hold |
| 12:16.28 | _Dave123_ | abrotman: I canchoose between X64 and x86 |
| 12:16.31 | hramrach | that does not work |
| 12:16.35 | abrotman | yes it does |
| 12:16.50 | abrotman | _Dave123_: then you want x86, and you want to send them an email that their website has horrible descriptions |
| 12:16.57 | hramrach | no, if pacake is held it is still shown as upgradable in aptitude |
| 12:17.06 | _Dave123_ | abrotman: lol ok |
| 12:17.28 | hramrach | and since aptitude cannot resolve package dependencies (nor can apt) and you ahve to do that manyally in the UI hods do not work |
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| 12:19.27 | _Dave123_ | Anyone in here got experience using Truecrypt? |
| 12:19.44 | _Dave123_ | Need some urgent help |
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| 12:21.27 | piatkosia | Hi all |
| 12:22.16 | piatkosia | Somebody knows when Debian 6.0 will be stable? |
| 12:22.51 | hramrach | it does not even work as it is written in the errata |
| 12:23.17 | hramrach | whatever I do it always offers the highest and broken version of the package for installation |
| 12:23.51 | piatkosia | I still use Debian Lenny |
| 12:24.47 | piatkosia | What about backports repository? Is it secure? |
| 12:25.05 | hramrach | sure it is signed ;-) |
| 12:25.52 | abrotman | !wwsr |
| 12:25.52 | dpkg | Squeeze is now frozen and will release <WIR>, <SIYH>. See http://lists.debian.org/20100806134418.GC9183@halon.org.uk and http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100806 . Ask me about <squeeze bet>. |
| 12:25.55 | piatkosia | I'm going to compile new kernel from backports. |
| 12:26.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, you can still bet on sqeeze? |
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| 12:26.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | the date I picked is already over! |
| 12:26.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | unfair |
| 12:26.36 | abrotman | only one bet! |
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| 12:26.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | bets should be closed months ago! |
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| 12:27.31 | piatkosia | What about dependencies? |
| 12:27.53 | piatkosia | I'll be able to some conflicts |
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| 12:28.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, obviously, if you bet now, you have a huge advantage over people betting a year ago |
| 12:28.20 | abrotman | i realize that |
| 12:28.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | so it's best to wait until the day squeeze realize, then place your bet? |
| 12:28.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | I didn't know that! |
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| 12:49.55 | thewanderer1 | how to split a string in bash to chunks of 1 letter? |
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| 12:53.16 | abrotman | thewanderer1: #bash |
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| 12:57.26 | beardy | thechef: Or just 'man split'. |
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| 13:00.04 | beardy | Or actually nevermind.. |
| 13:00.16 | beardy | thechef: Mistab, sorry. |
| 13:00.30 | thechef | no problem :) |
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| 13:04.29 | hramrach | is there some cddb replacement that works? |
| 13:04.43 | hramrach | I tried the freedb server with cdda2wav and it says connection refused |
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| 13:05.31 | kolpur | i've installed iceweasel and sun-java6 both jdk and jre .. but unable to run applets in iceweasel |
| 13:05.33 | abrotman | thought hramrach asked about cdbs earlier |
| 13:05.46 | kolpur | in about:plugins of iceweasel i find the java entry |
| 13:05.57 | hramrach | yes, and di not hear anything about them so far |
| 13:06.19 | kolpur | the java applets are giving class not found exception |
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| 13:06.30 | kolpur | someone help me out |
| 13:06.39 | abrotman | kolpur: did you install the java plugin package? |
| 13:06.55 | kolpur | which java plugin package? |
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| 13:07.37 | kolpur | i installed sun-java6-plugin |
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| 13:08.01 | abrotman | kolpur: sun-java6-plugin .. yes |
| 13:08.13 | abrotman | kolpur: and then you restarted your browser (all of them) ? |
| 13:08.30 | kolpur | yes |
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| 13:08.40 | abrotman | update-java-alternatives ? |
| 13:08.51 | kolpur | i didn't get you |
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| 13:09.15 | liable | non of us get him |
| 13:09.20 | abrotman | that's a command |
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| 13:10.10 | fxiny | how can i change console fonts in squueze ? console-setup fonts are still too small |
| 13:10.53 | fxiny | console-tools ? |
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| 13:11.26 | smhar | today, I had many strange things happening in my squeeze network. first the I had left it on running amule, but when I returned home amule was not running and when I run it again the download list was empty !!! |
| 13:12.27 | smhar | I checked and found the files were still there -most of them- but all were changed to root!! I change it back to user and things are back to -almost- normal |
| 13:12.55 | fxiny | thi kms is always on my way |
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| 13:13.04 | fxiny | this* |
| 13:14.15 | smhar | now, have 2 users running on different screens, although user2 is still running, and the programs started by him are still shown in ps, but I can not change screen to him using ctrl+alt+f8 as I was able to do always and just 5 minutes ago? |
| 13:14.43 | rusha | screen -ls |
| 13:14.45 | rusha | lists the screens |
| 13:14.50 | rusha | screen -x resumes last screen |
| 13:14.59 | rusha | screen -r 123 will resume screen with pid 123 |
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| 13:15.31 | st__ | is there a maintainer's irc chanel? |
| 13:16.05 | smhar | rusha, X screens? |
| 13:16.06 | stew | st__: there are many. can you be more specific about what you want you want to discuss? are you looking for packaging help? |
| 13:16.47 | stew | smhar: does "chvt 8" work as root? |
| 13:17.23 | stew | smhar: when you use "w" do you see the other user logged in to :1 or :1.0? |
| 13:18.59 | smhar | stew, w & who show the users running, ps -aux show the programs by running by user 2. chvt 8 has the same effect as ctrl+alt+8 : black screen |
| 13:23.32 | smhar | if I can not log to user2 again, can I 'kill him' so he can login again? |
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| 13:26.28 | stew | smhar: but in 'w' in the FROM column, does it show the other user on screen :1 ? |
| 13:26.43 | stew | smhar: can you login to root to kill user2? |
| 13:27.58 | smhar | stew, user1 is FROM :0 and user2 is FROM :20 |
| 13:28.17 | smhar | and yes, I can log to root |
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| 13:33.25 | stew | smhar: really :20? or :2.0? |
| 13:33.52 | stew | smhar: if you can login as root and want to kill the other user's processes (which would also have the effect of logging them out) the slay command is handy |
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| 13:42.18 | cristi8 | hi. i am logged in the first graphical console (Ctrl+Alt+F7), and another user was logged on in the 2nd (C+A+F8). he logged out (acually pressed ctrl+alt+backspace), and now he's unable to login anymore. login screen gives error "Too many logins for [user]". I also mention that i set maximum logins for that user to 1 (i forgot how) |
| 13:42.35 | _Dave123_ | Any users of truecrypt around? need some urgent help |
| 13:43.45 | cristi8 | i also have to mention that `who` doesn't display that user being logged in anywhere |
| 13:44.53 | abrotman | _Dave123_: there is a #truecrypt |
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| 13:47.42 | cristi8 | ..any hints what could i try to be able to login again? i have this issue for a good couple of days |
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| 13:59.07 | thewanderer1 | what characters are allowed in network interface names? |
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| 14:00.57 | dvs | thewanderer1: letters, numbers, colon |
| 14:02.05 | thewanderer1 | how about a hyphen? |
| 14:02.39 | dvs | thewanderer1: never seen any |
| 14:03.02 | thewanderer1 | I just need to pass interface names to a script and want a way to separate interface name from bridge name |
| 14:03.16 | thewanderer1 | so I'm stuck with "eth0br2" thing |
| 14:03.28 | jelly-home | colon has a special meaning |
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| 14:03.47 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: what's wrong with separate arguments? |
| 14:04.02 | _Dave123_ | Any users of truecrypt around? need some urgent help.. To mount a full disk encrypted windows partition from another partition |
| 14:04.03 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: kvm-qemu won't pass that to the script... |
| 14:04.09 | _Dave123_ | abrotman: noone in #truecrypt |
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| 14:04.38 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: that sounds silly |
| 14:04.48 | abrotman | _Dave123_: five people? |
| 14:04.58 | abrotman | _Dave123_: or maybe ask ##linux |
| 14:05.05 | jelly-home | he did ask ##Linux |
| 14:05.33 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: I know, but KVM doesn't know anything about bridges, so I need to deduce the bridge name from the interface name |
| 14:06.06 | thewanderer1 | where can I find a list of all supported characters in network device names? |
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| 14:15.48 | thewanderer1 | how to get rid of all packages that are not from the official repos? |
| 14:16.19 | thewanderer1 | say, I have installed a deb that overrides a Debian package with a newer version and I forgot its name |
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| 14:18.09 | eli_ | one question, is xinetd something used in debian? |
| 14:18.41 | jelly-home | eli_: it's one of the available inetd alternatives, not by default |
| 14:18.57 | eli_ | okej which one is the default one for debian? |
| 14:19.18 | jelly-home | eli_: openbsd-inetd, why do you ask? |
| 14:19.30 | ThisNicknameIsnt | thewanderer1, synaptic pac man > status > locally installed |
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| 14:20.11 | eli_ | I came from a redhat tutorial and there they showed xinetd and how it managed internetservices for a server which runs for example FTP |
| 14:20.35 | jelly-home | eli_: what are you really trying to do? |
| 14:21.14 | eli_ | nothing at all, just wondered if debian used xinetd or not, which is obviously didn't |
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| 14:21.55 | jelly-home | one can install and use it. |
| 14:21.59 | eli_ | I'll look at the documentation for openbsd-inetd just for the sake of learning |
| 14:22.27 | eli_ | It's best to stuck with the default when you are new |
| 14:22.45 | cristi8 | i found out that my problem is related to an "orphan" entry in /var/run/utmp, and that's keeping me from logging in. any clever way to fix it in debian, or should i use some old scripts found on the net that modify utmp ? |
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| 14:25.05 | thewanderer1 | holy penguin, something is broken here |
| 14:25.13 | thewanderer1 | GNOME themes don't work the way they should |
| 14:25.47 | thewanderer1 | are Ubuntu packages tagged as Ubuntu packages in dpkg? |
| 14:26.05 | sqshyp | thewanderer1: edit your own theme, simply ;) |
| 14:26.13 | ThisNicknameIsnt | they might have ubuntu in their name or might not have |
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| 14:26.27 | thewanderer1 | they do not... |
| 14:26.43 | thewanderer1 | sqshyp: I did, but the rendering engine is somewhat broken - I guess it's replaced by some Ubuntu hack |
| 14:27.19 | sqshyp | thewanderer1: switch metacity to compiz, or gtk+ theme decorator to emerald |
| 14:27.41 | thewanderer1 | hell no, my i915 will not live long with that |
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| 14:28.05 | thewanderer1 | plus, it's not a problem with metacity, but rather with gtk |
| 14:28.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | thewanderer1, apt-show-versions |
| 14:28.41 | sqshyp | then switch it to emeralkd... |
| 14:28.53 | sqshyp | and edit your theme with ETD |
| 14:29.39 | thewanderer1 | what exactly does Emerald do? take over GTK's function? |
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| 14:30.13 | _strog | hi people |
| 14:30.29 | _strog | im trying to mount a JMicron ATA/ATAPI Bridge |
| 14:31.03 | _strog | dmesg doesnt show me what device it is assigned to |
| 14:31.10 | _strog | like sda or sdb |
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| 14:31.23 | _strog | what i get is: |
| 14:31.42 | _strog | usb-storage: device found at 3 |
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| 14:31.47 | abrotman | paste.debian.net |
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| 14:32.16 | _strog | usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scnning |
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| 14:32.36 | _Dave123_ | I have mounted an ntfs filesystem from ubuntu, and I need to copy an .exe file to C:\Windows\System32.. is this possible? |
| 14:32.41 | _strog | usb 2-2: New usb device found... |
| 14:33.08 | abrotman | _strog: use a pastebin .. one is going to be able to follow all thirteen lines |
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| 14:33.16 | _strog | ok |
| 14:33.37 | sqshyp | thewanderer1: emerald has same functions as gtk+ |
| 14:33.46 | sqshyp | and better... |
| 14:34.12 | thewanderer1 | but it requires GLX, right? |
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| 14:34.40 | sqshyp | thewanderer1: hmm... maybe, i don;t know |
| 14:34.43 | abrotman | thewanderer1: the 915 cards are capable of using compiz |
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| 14:35.31 | thewanderer1 | I know, but I am on a laptop and battery life matters to me |
| 14:35.42 | thewanderer1 | plus, I've had bad experience with compiz |
| 14:37.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | _Dave123_, ask #ubuntu? You might also /msg dpkg ntfs-3g |
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| 14:38.01 | thewanderer1 | Murrina themes look exactly the same as Clearlooks for me now |
| 14:40.12 | jelly-home | abrotman: capable yes, but powerful enough for it to be usable? |
| 14:40.21 | thewanderer1 | something is really broken here |
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| 14:40.59 | thewanderer1 | wow, silly me. it was just a .gtkrc... |
| 14:41.15 | thewanderer1 | funny how GNOME and .gtkrc conflict |
| 14:41.54 | _strog | abortman: sorry for taking that lon |
| 14:41.54 | _strog | g |
| 14:41.56 | _strog | http://pastebin.com/mAqGQiEb |
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| 14:43.14 | _strog | abourtman: i hope that you can do something with that |
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| 14:48.12 | Wizzir | hi |
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| 14:49.47 | _strog | abortman are u there? |
| 14:50.14 | kukosk | why can't i install 'apt-get install nmap' on etch no ? 'Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/n/nmap/nmap_4.11-1_amd64.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 35.9.37.225 80]' |
| 14:50.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | you might try his real nick, actually... |
| 14:50.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, cIat least can't see that paste for some reason |
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| 14:51.09 | thewanderer1 | is it possible to rotate 1 output only without touching the second one? |
| 14:51.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | try it? |
| 14:51.57 | kukosk | hey, if someone knowsâ¦. pls help me, must have it working ⦠|
| 14:51.58 | kukosk | why can't i install 'apt-get install nmap' on etch no ? 'Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/n/nmap/nmap_4.11-1_amd64.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 35.9.37.225 80]' |
| 14:52.10 | thewanderer1 | kukosk: apt-get update |
| 14:52.15 | kukosk | i tried |
| 14:52.19 | cahoot | thewanderer1: works just fine |
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| 14:52.43 | thewanderer1 | cahoot: oh, I must have missed the -o versus --rotate thing |
| 14:53.03 | kukosk | thewanderer1: http://pastebin.com/atEhRHVs |
| 14:53.08 | kukosk | it fails too ... |
| 14:53.12 | thewanderer1 | great |
| 14:53.22 | thewanderer1 | rotating my output 4 times just crashed my GTK engine |
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| 14:53.42 | thewanderer1 | and Chromium's profile can not be read... man... |
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| 14:54.03 | thewanderer1 | kukosk: read this channel's topic, please |
| 14:54.33 | kukosk | hmm, thought someonw will help me :( |
| 14:54.41 | Wizzir | kukosk: and check what's under your mirror |
| 14:54.53 | Wizzir | open it in browser |
| 14:54.58 | Wizzir | ok, my turn :> |
| 14:55.10 | abrotman | _strog: moment |
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| 14:55.27 | kukosk | hmm |
| 14:55.32 | thewanderer1 | how to reload GTK engine when it breaks? |
| 14:55.36 | abrotman | _strog: what is 'uname -r' ? |
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| 14:57.20 | Infin1ty | hmm in the debian pxe installer, how can i choose my own debian archive mirror? |
| 14:57.36 | Infin1ty | oh nevermind :) |
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| 15:05.37 | Wizard | hi |
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| 15:11.04 | thewanderer1 | name me one browser in Debian that uses WebKit, is fast, feature-complete (like Firefox) and is not Chromium, because Chromium doesn't want to be tiled by awesome3 |
| 15:11.34 | rusha | iceweasel? |
| 15:11.48 | thewanderer1 | is that fast? :) |
| 15:12.00 | Wizard | ol |
| 15:12.02 | Wizard | lol |
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| 15:12.11 | alcy | thewanderer1, might wanna have a look at http://www.uzbl.org/ |
| 15:12.14 | thewanderer1 | about the only reason I want WebKit is its speed |
| 15:12.15 | thewanderer1 | err... |
| 15:12.17 | Wizard | midori? |
| 15:12.31 | Wizard | iceweasel is just a firefox, iirc |
| 15:12.43 | thewanderer1 | Wizard: yes, and Firefox is the slowest Linux browser |
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| 15:13.02 | jpinx-eeepc | links2 -g |
| 15:13.11 | thewanderer1 | jpinx-eeepc: that is not feature-complete |
| 15:13.12 | rusha | this mind sound a little bit wierd this question but bare with me: do you know any windows clients so i can connect to a linux nfs ? |
| 15:13.21 | Wizard | thewanderer1: yup |
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| 15:13.42 | jpinx-eeepc | rusha: yes there are lots - googlet |
| 15:13.43 | spacepluk | thewanderer: I'm using chromium with awesome and it works fine |
| 15:13.48 | Wizard | midori or konqueror or reqonq or a-something :P |
| 15:13.54 | rusha | any1 you can recommend? |
| 15:13.58 | thewanderer1 | spacepluk: did you manage to tile it? |
| 15:14.23 | Ash-Fox | rusha, http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=896c9688-601b-44f1-81a4-02878ff11778&DisplayLang=en |
| 15:14.27 | spacepluk | thewanderer: yes, I worked out of the box |
| 15:14.45 | Ash-Fox | It offers NFS support in windows. |
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| 15:15.00 | thewanderer1 | spacepluk: for me it is just a floating window, always |
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| 15:15.44 | thewanderer1 | well, another thing is that my profile is broken and Chromium won't load it for a mysterious reason |
| 15:15.46 | Ash-Fox | rusha, if you want to know exactly what that provides, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Services_for_UNIX provides a pretty detailed drill down. |
| 15:16.08 | rusha | ty |
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| 15:17.48 | ShapeShifter499 | chair dances |
| 15:18.07 | thewanderer1 | now that Chromium is able to load the profile, it seems dockable |
| 15:18.18 | thewanderer1 | I only have to start it, make it fullscreen and then return |
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| 15:18.41 | ShapeShifter499 | dam got disconnected |
| 15:18.51 | thewanderer1 | hm, now it tiled it properly... strange |
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| 15:19.29 | thewanderer1 | does anyone know how to move awesome3's notification area from one screen to another (actually, X output, not screen) |
| 15:19.56 | thewanderer1 | I have the panel and the clock on both outputs, but I want the notification area on the bottom one, not the top |
| 15:21.48 | thewanderer1 | but of course Chromium NEEDS to have a distinct and personalized scrollbar without the arrows and the graphics I assigned to GTK... grrrr |
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| 15:22.14 | Wizard | Ñ
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| 15:22.19 | Wizard | oops |
| 15:22.20 | Wizard | haha |
| 15:22.34 | _strog | abortman: are u there? |
| 15:22.44 | _strog | i was away and didnt get the message |
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| 15:23.22 | Wizard | 453 frames in 5.0 seconds = 90.464 FPS |
| 15:23.24 | Wizard | rotfl |
| 15:23.33 | bassliner | hi there - so what do i need to do in order to forbid users to see processes of other users? thank you! |
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| 15:24.23 | thewanderer1 | bassliner: check out grsecurity |
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| 15:26.17 | abrotman | _strog: what is 'uname -r' ? |
| 15:27.15 | _strog | abortman:2.6.26-686 |
| 15:27.27 | _strog | abortman: ah ok i solved it :) |
| 15:27.38 | abrotman | okay! |
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| 15:28.10 | abrotman | thewanderer1: epiphany and kazahaske |
| 15:28.31 | thewanderer1 | abrotman: so epiphany uses WebKit now? wow |
| 15:28.46 | abrotman | thewanderer1: it can .. you can choose |
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| 15:29.11 | DexterF_ | hoi |
| 15:31.13 | DexterF_ | just saw TeamViewer released beta packages for Linux. while I like it I'd even prefer an open src solution, but there's nothing like that out of the box I haven't heard - did someone else? |
| 15:33.42 | spacepluk | DexterF_: I haven't used TeamViewer but I think you can have similar results combining several tools |
| 15:33.52 | d1b | morning im trying to find info about todays updates |
| 15:34.00 | d1b | but there is no info... anywhere i can see it ... |
| 15:34.00 | thewanderer1 | this kazehakase thing is cool |
| 15:34.03 | d1b | (lenny) |
| 15:34.37 | d1b | ah nm |
| 15:34.39 | d1b | found it http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2010/msg00011.html |
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| 15:36.39 | spacepluk | thewanderer: I'm just addicted to vimperator, can't use anything else :) |
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| 15:37.02 | thewanderer1 | I'm not a great vim fan though, I prefer kate |
| 15:37.09 | d1b | thewanderer1: ;) |
| 15:37.21 | d1b | you will learn vim one day - or just turn on the vim settings in kate 4 ;) |
| 15:37.37 | thewanderer1 | I already did, but forgot it... :P |
| 15:37.54 | d1b | kate4 was nice and then they changed the colour green to brown |
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| 15:38.03 | d1b | and it is hardset in the source |
| 15:38.05 | d1b | fail_++ |
| 15:38.10 | thewanderer1 | what? |
| 15:38.17 | thewanderer1 | you can change the colours, can't you? |
| 15:38.18 | d1b | do you use kate4? |
| 15:38.22 | thewanderer1 | kate4? hmm |
| 15:38.23 | d1b | thewanderer1: nope:) |
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| 15:38.50 | thewanderer1 | I can recall having such option... |
| 15:38.57 | thewanderer1 | or perhaps that was in KDE3? |
| 15:39.21 | thewanderer1 | now I know why I'm on GNOME/awesome3 after all... |
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| 15:40.14 | d1b | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:40.25 | d1b | see the brown color for the different levels on the left? |
| 15:40.29 | d1b | that used to be a nice green |
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| 15:41.56 | d1b | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:48.26 | cahoot | d1b: I see more of green than brown text in your paste |
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| 15:52.41 | d1b | cahoot: see the first one |
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| 15:59.14 | d1b | cahoot: probably |
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| 16:03.13 | tomreyn | hi, i've got a weird (minor) issue on one of several systems I co-administrate. While all these systems run cron-apt to perform automatic updates, this one generates all cron-apt output in UPPER CASE. |
| 16:03.32 | tomreyn | I have no idea what might cause it. Has anyone of you seen this before? |
| 16:03.36 | b_52light_ | i have plugged another monitor to my laptop and want to edit xorg.conf to add another screen to it! , but how to attribute a name to the second monitor ? i mean how xorg will detec it ? |
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| 16:05.55 | Bushmills | b_52light_: per Identifier in Screen section |
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| 16:07.37 | Bushmills | you probably want two Monitor sections, with unique Identifiers, as well |
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| 16:08.14 | abrotman | tomreyn: is it really a problem? |
| 16:08.16 | Laugarhraun | yup |
| 16:08.22 | Laugarhraun | got fedora |
| 16:08.31 | b_52light_ | Bushmills, when i decalre the second monitor , xorg will automaticly detect as the second screen ? |
| 16:08.35 | Laugarhraun | want to install debian on a 6 yo cpu for a server |
| 16:08.40 | Bushmills | b_52light_: no. |
| 16:08.41 | Laugarhraun | it has only 1 core |
| 16:08.50 | Laugarhraun | which one do I have to take? |
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| 16:08.55 | Laugarhraun | [alpha][amd64][arm][armel][hppa][i386][ia64][mips][mipsel][powerpc][sparc][s390][source][multi-arch] |
| 16:09.02 | Laugarhraun | there is no x86... |
| 16:09.07 | Bushmills | b_52light_: you will have to tell in each Screen section what monitor to use |
| 16:09.30 | tomreyn | abrotman: no, just a nuisance. And a miracle (to me). I've had it for quite a while and it keeps annoying me, so I thought I'd just check with some other people who may have run into it, too. |
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| 16:09.53 | thewanderer1 | b_52light_: I'm on a laptop now and have attached a second screen to it (VGA port) that is configured using xrandr |
| 16:09.56 | Bushmills | b_52light_: alternatively, use xrandr. that allows interactive or script controlled two screen configuration |
| 16:10.08 | b_52light_ | Bushmills, what i mean is when i declare the second monitor right? ? it will autmaticly detect my hardware screen |
| 16:10.14 | b_52light_ | hm ok |
| 16:10.19 | b_52light_ | start to use randar |
| 16:10.22 | abrotman | tomreyn: used to be if you logged in with caps, it would keep caps |
| 16:10.23 | thewanderer1 | yes askingyj, I'm using pidgin... |
| 16:10.27 | tomreyn | askingyj: is there a reason you are CTCP VERSION'ing me? |
| 16:10.27 | b_52light_ | but taught xorg is more easier |
| 16:10.31 | Bushmills | b_52light_: and what i meant by "no" was "no" |
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| 16:10.41 | b_52light_ | Bushmills, ah ok :d |
| 16:10.51 | tomreyn | abrotman: how would you 'login with caps'? |
| 16:10.55 | b_52light_ | thewanderer1, nice , trying to do same here :d |
| 16:11.13 | thewanderer1 | b_52light_: on a laptop or desktop PC? |
| 16:11.20 | b_52light_ | thewanderer1, laptop |
| 16:11.28 | b_52light_ | with an i945 card |
| 16:11.32 | Bushmills | setting up second screen is probably easier to do with xrandr |
| 16:11.40 | askingyj | i just want to know .... er....hehe |
| 16:11.49 | thewanderer1 | b_52light_: so just do `xrandr --output VGA1 --above LVDS1 --auto` or something like that |
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| 16:12.06 | thewanderer1 | on a laptop using xorg.conf is not the best idea if you plan to move it around |
| 16:12.15 | Laugarhraun | please? |
| 16:12.20 | b_52light_ | yeah ! |
| 16:12.24 | b_52light_ | ok trying with randr |
| 16:12.33 | abrotman | tomreyn: hit the capslock before you login |
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| 16:13.47 | thewanderer1 | abrotman: I've just tested this capslock login thing, it works as it should here |
| 16:13.59 | thewanderer1 | i.e. no weird outputs |
| 16:14.14 | Laugarhraun | ok, i386 |
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| 16:14.33 | tomreyn | askingyj: can you please explain why you're initiating a DCC file transfer to me? |
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| 16:14.45 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: using shift for caps in a password has caught me out before, but CapsLock seems ok |
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| 16:15.08 | frikinz | do you know why my aptitude update hangs on 99% [2 Translation-en bzip2 0] ? |
| 16:15.30 | thewanderer1 | frikinz: broken mirror or a network problem |
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| 16:16.08 | frikinz | ftp.de.debian.org is my mirror and I see no network problem. I will try another one thanks |
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| 16:17.01 | tomreyn | abrotman: so to fix the apt-cron output, i would ensure i dont have caps lock active, and would then connect to the server in question and sudo -i (since cron-apt runs as root)? |
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| 16:18.21 | abrotman | tomreyn: i doubt that's the problem .. possibly some encoding issue |
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| 16:19.04 | tomreyn | abrotman: yes i think it seems unlikely, too. thanks anyway for your suggestion. |
| 16:19.58 | frikinz | hum "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ experimental main" was the problematic line |
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| 16:23.09 | jperla | hi, how do i get to the ubuntu channel, i can only get into this one? |
| 16:23.24 | thewanderer1 | jperla: /join #ubuntu |
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| 16:23.40 | jperla | nothing happens, it took me to unregged, but now no window opens when i run that command |
| 16:23.54 | thewanderer1 | so you need to register your nick |
| 16:24.00 | jperla | i did that, i'm registered |
| 16:24.03 | jperla | and verified by email |
| 16:24.07 | thewanderer1 | did you authenticate? |
| 16:24.10 | jhutchins_lt | Is there a package update mailing list that announces new packages for lenny? A single list? |
| 16:24.51 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: since only security updates make it to lenny, try the security-announce list |
| 16:25.56 | ribasushi | what is the thing that sticks #Autogenerated by kernel-image XXX lines in my grub/menu.lst |
| 16:26.10 | ribasushi | I already have update_grub running fine, so I get all kernels listed twice >.< |
| 16:26.11 | thewanderer1 | ribasushi: update-grub ? |
| 16:26.25 | ribasushi | thewanderer1: no, it's some extra crap, let me paste |
| 16:26.37 | thewanderer1 | you know, there is no "kernel-image" in Debian |
| 16:26.41 | jperla | well, you guys can probably help me: upgrading from karmic->lucid, dependency errors: http://paste.debian.net/87966/ |
| 16:26.42 | thewanderer1 | we have linux-image |
| 16:27.00 | ribasushi | thewanderer1: I know, yet let me paste |
| 16:27.23 | thewanderer1 | jperla: please authenticate to NickServ then ask at #ubuntu |
| 16:27.44 | ribasushi | thewanderer1: http://paste.scsys.co.uk/50072 |
| 16:27.47 | thewanderer1 | jperla: Pidgin provides a way to do that automagically |
| 16:27.57 | ribasushi | I *just* installed 2.6.35 - this is what I get |
| 16:28.03 | ribasushi | no handediting of any kind |
| 16:28.24 | thewanderer1 | which 2.6.35? |
| 16:28.46 | thewanderer1 | ah, trunk |
| 16:28.46 | jperla | thewanderer1: i already authenticated |
| 16:28.48 | ribasushi | the experimental one, version doesn't matter though, I could instal 2.6.26 - I still get this |
| 16:28.54 | b_52light_ | guys i'm using grandr quite a nice tool but he refuse to put my screen at their maximum size he only allow 800*600 |
| 16:28.57 | thewanderer1 | jperla: then you can go to #ubuntu |
| 16:28.58 | b_52light_ | for both of them |
| 16:29.12 | jperla | but it doesnt' work.. |
| 16:29.15 | thewanderer1 | b_52light_: use xrandr, it's easy |
| 16:29.30 | b_52light_ | thewanderer1, grandr is graphic frontend for xrandr |
| 16:29.33 | thewanderer1 | jperla: it does for me... |
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| 16:29.46 | cahoot | b_52light_: check the logs why higher resolution isn't accepted |
| 16:29.46 | thewanderer1 | b_52light_: I know, but you should not need any kind of graphic frontend... |
| 16:30.01 | b_52light_ | hm |
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| 16:30.59 | thewanderer1 | ribasushi: did you package this kernel yourself? |
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| 16:31.22 | ribasushi | thewanderer1: no, also as I said it happens on installing *any* debian kernel version |
| 16:31.32 | ribasushi | installs 2.6.26 just to double check... |
| 16:31.35 | thewanderer1 | ribasushi: any? as in lenny versions? |
| 16:31.38 | thewanderer1 | yeah, check that |
| 16:31.55 | ribasushi | also this is a sid, not a lenny machine |
| 16:32.04 | thewanderer1 | yes, but you should check anywy |
| 16:32.13 | thewanderer1 | I'm running sid here, but with GRUB2 |
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| 16:33.20 | zophy | is there a way to have screen or tmux terminate itself when the remote connection is dropped, i know this opposed to the feature of maintaining a session across logins |
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| 16:33.48 | zophy | i'm considering a cron entry for this |
| 16:34.35 | ribasushi | zophy: why do you want to do this? |
| 16:34.47 | ribasushi | zophy: instead of simply not using screen in the 1st place |
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| 16:35.14 | zophy | i have a shell acount where i can't leave any background processes running, but i still like to usr screen |
| 16:36.01 | d1b | zophy: pay $5 for one that does ;) |
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| 16:38.08 | ribasushi | bah found it |
| 16:38.21 | ribasushi | thewanderer1: do you happen to have /etc/kernel/postinst.d/grub_conf |
| 16:38.21 | thewanderer1 | ribasushi: what was it? |
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| 16:38.36 | thewanderer1 | ribasushi: no |
| 16:38.45 | ribasushi | great dpkg -S is not claiming it either |
| 16:38.46 | thewanderer1 | just zz-update-grub |
| 16:38.50 | thewanderer1 | hehe |
| 16:39.24 | ribasushi | it definitely came from the toolchain though |
| 16:39.25 | ribasushi | http://paste.scsys.co.uk/50073 |
| 16:39.41 | thewanderer1 | ribasushi: I know, I've read that file |
| 16:39.41 | ribasushi | ah well |
| 16:39.45 | thewanderer1 | http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=postinst.d%2Fgrub_conf&mode=path&suite=unstable&arch=any |
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| 16:40.09 | thewanderer1 | you must have messed with that... :P |
| 16:40.20 | ribasushi | messed in what way? |
| 16:40.38 | thewanderer1 | as in "copied the example file to /etc/kernel/postinst.d/ |
| 16:40.39 | thewanderer1 | " |
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| 16:40.46 | zophy | ooops my laptop crashed |
| 16:41.57 | ribasushi | thewanderer1: def. not... |
| 16:42.01 | ribasushi | anyway deleted, now am happy |
| 16:42.05 | thewanderer1 | :P |
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| 16:42.51 | thewanderer1 | I'll see what generated that |
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| 16:43.10 | thewanderer1 | grepping SSD is so much better than hearing the disk plate rotate :P |
| 16:43.50 | yebyen | any kfreebsd users? |
| 16:44.32 | zophy | what is kfreebsd ? |
| 16:44.48 | zophy | you must have made a typo |
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| 16:44.56 | yebyen | zophy: debian on freebsd kernel |
| 16:45.24 | thewanderer1 | zophy: Debian GNU/kfreebsd, see http://www.debian.org/ports/#nonlinux |
| 16:45.33 | yebyen | i'm hoping it runs better under kqemu than it did with virtualbox with no vt |
| 16:45.47 | thewanderer1 | heh, that's a pain |
| 16:45.49 | yebyen | looks good so far, but i don't have enough software up yet to really benchmark it |
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| 16:46.18 | yebyen | thewanderer1: i don't know what people with old computers are supposed to do in the next debian release |
| 16:46.44 | thewanderer1 | yebyen: why? what are you referring to? |
| 16:46.55 | yebyen | kqemu is compiled into 0.9.1 qemu, but that's not packaged into squeeze or sid now |
| 16:47.01 | yebyen | it's an old version |
| 16:47.13 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions kqemu |
| 16:47.15 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'kqemu' was found. |
| 16:47.27 | yebyen | it was abandoned |
| 16:47.30 | jhutchins_lt | There's also the intel graphics issue. |
| 16:47.33 | yebyen | if you read about it on qemu history |
| 16:47.34 | thewanderer1 | perhaps... compile from source? |
| 16:47.37 | jhutchins_lt | yebyen: New projet for kde4? |
| 16:47.44 | jhutchins_lt | project name? |
| 16:47.48 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: what intel graphics issue? |
| 16:47.54 | yebyen | jhutchins_lt: what do you mean about kde4? |
| 16:47.58 | yebyen | no |
| 16:48.00 | yebyen | kernel qemu |
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| 16:48.19 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: KDE no longer names everything K*, sadly |
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| 16:49.04 | jhutchins_lt | Precicely for this reason. |
| 16:49.25 | thewanderer1 | so what intel graphics issue do we have in Squeeze? |
| 16:49.38 | yebyen | i only heard about intel graphics issue in froyo/eclair |
| 16:49.59 | abrotman | intel works fine in squeeze on three different intel-vga laptops |
| 16:50.06 | yebyen | i have 945GME |
| 16:50.12 | yebyen | works slick |
| 16:50.25 | yebyen | slow, but it's equally slow in windows with the official drivers |
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| 16:50.49 | thewanderer1 | I have 945GM and I get a 7-second hard lockup everytime I switch to X.org |
| 16:50.57 | thewanderer1 | including starting |
| 16:51.07 | abrotman | nope .. don't have that |
| 16:51.11 | thewanderer1 | other than that, it's "quite stable" |
| 16:51.25 | thewanderer1 | I have yet to test that under Ubuntu to verify |
| 16:52.01 | thewanderer1 | it seems to handle SSD suspend better (Debian does not handle it at all), so might as well support this GPU... |
| 16:52.39 | yebyen | i get a slow response when i'm coming back from suspend |
| 16:52.51 | yebyen | even though i recompiled xorg from git |
| 16:52.57 | thewanderer1 | what I get are I/O errors requiring the power button, heh |
| 16:53.10 | yebyen | what is 7 second about then? |
| 16:53.14 | yebyen | 7 second hard lock up |
| 16:53.17 | yebyen | i thought you meant then it ends |
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| 16:53.38 | thewanderer1 | nope, 7-second lockup is when I start X.org or switch to console then back to vty7/8/whatever |
| 16:53.57 | yebyen | did you try kms? |
| 16:53.59 | thewanderer1 | so basically every transition from console to graphical brings about this delay |
| 16:54.02 | thewanderer1 | I am running KMS now |
| 16:54.06 | yebyen | i see |
| 16:54.16 | thewanderer1 | in fact, I'm not sure whether this also occurs without KMS... |
| 16:54.18 | yebyen | kms works great for me on lenny |
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| 16:54.26 | yebyen | lenny doesn't have kms by default tho |
| 16:54.29 | thewanderer1 | I know |
| 16:54.32 | yebyen | you should try lenny, see if it's slower or faster |
| 16:54.34 | yebyen | ? |
| 16:55.02 | thewanderer1 | sure, if I can only get it installed somewhere... I'll try the live netboot images |
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| 16:55.56 | thewanderer1 | I'll check the gnome amd64 image to reproduce my current environment |
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| 17:00.59 | martinex | Hi, I am new user of Debian Linux, I'd like ask something. When can I get deb package of GIMP 2.7 or repo? |
| 17:02.03 | rvsjoen | ,versions gimp |
| 17:02.04 | judd | gimp -- etch: 2.2.13-1etch4; etch-security: 2.2.13-1etch4; lenny: 2.4.7-1; sid: 2.6.10-1; squeeze: 2.6.10-1 |
| 17:02.27 | martinex | on Ubuntu I had 2.7 |
| 17:02.37 | martinex | It has single window |
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| 17:02.47 | martinex | that's why I am lookin for 2.7 |
| 17:03.05 | martinex | But I can't find |
| 17:03.06 | rvsjoen | then i'm not sure, I guess you could always compile it |
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| 17:03.33 | martinex | eh |
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| 17:05.39 | ThisNicknameIsnt | martinex, which debian version? |
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| 17:06.05 | martinex | 5.0 |
| 17:06.17 | martinex | Squeeze |
| 17:06.36 | ThisNicknameIsnt | 5.0 is lenny |
| 17:08.08 | martinex | hmm.. |
| 17:08.33 | thewanderer1 | how can I map my tablet to 1 screen only? I have 2 screens configured with xrandr |
| 17:08.47 | thewanderer1 | so I'm getting disproportional movement |
| 17:09.09 | yebyen | you drag across the screen and it goes twice as far? |
| 17:09.16 | thewanderer1 | yeah |
| 17:09.18 | functor | I am trying to install the new libpq from lenny-backports but it keeps telling me I have the newest installed (even though I have 8.3 and not 8.4 which is in backports) |
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| 17:09.33 | functor | same deal with php |
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| 17:09.42 | functor | how do I tell it to upgrade from backports? |
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| 17:10.07 | d1b | functor: you don't ;) |
| 17:10.08 | thewanderer1 | functor: aptitude -t lenny-backports install $package1 $package2... |
| 17:10.18 | d1b | yeah you -t install it :) |
| 17:10.22 | functor | thewanderer1, thats what I have been doing |
| 17:10.35 | functor | still the same messae "already newest" |
| 17:10.49 | thewanderer1 | what does apt-cache policy say? |
| 17:11.18 | functor | has both backports and normal |
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| 17:11.33 | functor | I am using ftp.de.debian.org for both |
| 17:11.53 | thewanderer1 | functor: if it's called "backports" then use -t backports |
| 17:12.05 | functor | no, its called lenny-backports |
| 17:12.14 | functor | I did the same thing with postgres 8.4 and it worked |
| 17:12.15 | yebyen | did you put backports above lenny in sources.list? |
| 17:12.18 | functor | because they had a different name |
| 17:12.18 | yebyen | that should help too |
| 17:12.21 | functor | yes, it works |
| 17:12.27 | functor | since I installed postgres 8.4 |
| 17:12.30 | yebyen | though you may not want it |
| 17:12.32 | martinex | sudo apt-get install startupmanager |
| 17:12.33 | functor | but it has a different name than the lenny one |
| 17:12.36 | martinex | /exit |
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| 17:12.53 | yebyen | so the deps are not right... |
| 17:12.55 | functor | in this case its the same name, different version (which is why?) |
| 17:13.13 | functor | well, shouldnt it tell me the deps are not right instead of saying its already at the newest? |
| 17:13.27 | functor | do I have to manually download each package from the website ...? |
| 17:13.46 | thewanderer1 | functor: to get the full listing, try "aptitude install $package1/lenny-backports" |
| 17:13.49 | thewanderer1 | it should work |
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| 17:14.37 | functor | No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. |
| 17:15.08 | thewanderer1 | are you using apt-pinning? |
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| 17:15.22 | functor | I used the exact command you pasted |
| 17:15.51 | suguiura | Hey guys, is it possible for a package, for a specific version, to have more than one maintainer? |
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| 17:15.58 | skinder | hello, i have debian lenny. i have intel wifi device. i installed 2.6.32-bpo kernel. wifi works, but acpid not working - config_acpi_proc_event is not set in the kernel's config. how do i enable this, must i recompile the kernel with another config? if yes, how? (sry for my english) |
| 17:16.08 | karmic-koala | hi all quick one, how do i compress a folder as an iso on lenny |
| 17:16.21 | functor | "compress" as an iso? |
| 17:16.28 | thewanderer1 | karmic-koala: growisofs |
| 17:16.30 | functor | you mean store right? |
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| 17:21.13 | karmic-koala | thewanderer1, thanks for that |
| 17:21.16 | karmic-koala | :) |
| 17:21.48 | skinder | nobody will help me? :( |
| 17:23.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
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| 17:24.47 | thewanderer1 | skinder: isn't there an acpid in backports? |
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| 17:25.05 | skinder | thewanderer1, it isn't working, because no /proc/acpi/event |
| 17:25.16 | abrotman | did you install apci/apcid ? |
| 17:25.20 | skinder | yeees. |
| 17:25.33 | skinder | /proc/acpi/event isn't in the kernel |
| 17:25.52 | skinder | "is not set" and commented |
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| 17:27.30 | thewanderer1 | skinder: so recompile the kernel |
| 17:27.49 | thewanderer1 | skinder: if you install kernel-package, you get extra tons of documentation in /usr/share/doc |
| 17:28.02 | skinder | thewanderer1, yeah? thanks |
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| 17:31.40 | Squeeb_ | Hi, every package I try and install via apt or aptitude is now giving me a warning that it's from an untrusted source. |
| 17:31.46 | Squeeb_ | Not sure why. |
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| 17:32.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | skinder, "modprobe acpi_cpufreq"? |
| 17:32.22 | Squeeb_ | ftp.uk.debian.org suddenly became unreachable shortly after this happened |
| 17:32.51 | Squeeb_ | I tried to run netselect-apt to find a new mirror, which ran successfully, but I'm still receiving the warnings even after an update. |
| 17:33.38 | tnt_ | is there any problem with the "apt" package ? I'm trying to do a dist-upgrade right now in two machines, one with testing and the other with unstable, in both cases the apt gets stuck in "99% [1 Translation-en bzip2 0B]" |
| 17:34.24 | tnt_ | I'm trying with different mirrors (de, fr, ie ...) but nothing change |
| 17:34.29 | thewanderer1 | tnt_: turn off debian-multimedia and try again |
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| 17:34.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell Squeeb_ -about key |
| 17:34.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's why... |
| 17:35.15 | tnt_ | oops... that works!! thanks |
| 17:35.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno why it would fail in your case from the information you provided, though |
| 17:35.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | thewanderer1, what's wrong with dmm? |
| 17:37.03 | thewanderer1 | CutMeOwnThroat: its Translation-en seems to be broken just today |
| 17:37.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's translation-en |
| 17:37.19 | thewanderer1 | another person had this problem today |
| 17:37.26 | thewanderer1 | an index of locale files or sth like that |
| 17:37.36 | thewanderer1 | I don't know much about the structure of mirrors |
| 17:37.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | never heard of it |
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| 17:40.20 | thewanderer1 | neither have I, but it looks like Apache ate it today |
| 17:42.03 | jhutchins_lt | Anybody know of a howto in converting a kmail address book to ldap? |
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| 17:42.21 | jhutchins_lt | Is there a pre-built ldap schema that works with kaddressbook? |
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| 17:43.18 | hellyeah | hey |
| 17:43.28 | hellyeah | is there anyone to know how to fix that error ocalhost hellyeah # ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 17:43.28 | hellyeah | SIOCSIFFLAGS: Unknown error 132 |
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| 17:48.32 | Squeeb_ | I ran apt-get install debian-archive-keyring |
| 17:48.34 | Squeeb_ | but it's already installed |
| 17:48.40 | jhutchins_lt | hellyeah: Might want to set up the hostname on that. |
| 17:49.13 | jhutchins_lt | hellyeah: Check dmesg and /var/log/messages for suspicious entries. How did you configure it in the first place? Have you read the wiki page? |
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| 17:51.01 | djura-san | Hello. I have problems with my bluetooth on debian testing. I installed bluez-* and bluetooth packages and i can execute bluetooth-applet but i cante send any files since bluetooth program is not recognizing my bluetooth dongle. Here is the output of dmesg when i plug in bluetooth dongle: http://pastebin.com/YK3skP2V |
| 17:52.16 | Squeeb_ | Hmm |
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| 17:52.26 | Squeeb_ | ok I've forcefully reinstalled both the debian-keyring and the debian-archive-keyring |
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| 17:52.39 | Squeeb_ | and I'm still getting WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
| 17:52.42 | Squeeb_ | on everything |
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| 17:55.43 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell Squeeb_ about why aptitude |
| 17:55.54 | jpinx-eeepc | it *might* help |
| 17:56.00 | CodeNinja | could anyone help me out with this error? it looks like watchdog is crashing http://docs.chriswalker.devnetonline.net/watchdog.log causes my server to stop responding on the network |
| 17:56.00 | Squeeb_ | this is with aptitude. |
| 17:56.00 | jelly-home | Squeeb_: an update is required |
| 17:56.08 | Squeeb_ | jelly-home: i've done an update. |
| 17:56.36 | jelly-home | Squeeb_: version of debian-archive-keyring installed? |
| 17:57.14 | Squeeb_ | 2010.08.28 |
| 17:57.42 | djura-san | 6is anyone here actually using bluetooth? It seems that whenever i ask for bluetooth issue i get no answer. THis is just a notice i think |
| 17:59.37 | jhutchins_lt | djura-san: I've barely gotten it working with kde in lenny. |
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| 17:59.46 | jhutchins_lt | djura-san: Did you install the backports or the regular version? |
| 18:00.02 | jhutchins_lt | djura-san: I didn't get a lot of response either, it's one of those things that not a lot of people use. |
| 18:00.41 | jhutchins_lt | djura-san: the bluetooth package is deprecated and only contains docs, everything else is bluez. |
| 18:00.45 | jelly-home | Squeeb_: hmph. Which debian release are you using? Pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" |
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| 18:01.02 | djura-san | jhutchins_lt: in lenny i was able to use it but in squeeze (the regular one, not backports or whatever) im not |
| 18:01.27 | jelly-home | Squeeb_: also, apt-key list |
| 18:01.29 | Squeeb_ | http://pastebin.com/yDQjaxsD |
| 18:01.35 | Squeeb_ | did that, they all appear to be in date. |
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| 18:01.57 | djura-san | jhutchins_lt: and i use bluetooth a lot so i tried to use actuall DE (xfce4) instead od dwm but then i realized that it is a problem with recognizing my bt dongle :| |
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| 18:02.14 | Squeeb_ | I think that 212 mirror is missing a signed Release file which is required |
| 18:03.17 | Squeeb_ | also |
| 18:03.21 | Squeeb_ | is http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ screwed atm? |
| 18:03.48 | jhutchins_lt | djura-san: Dunno then, I did find a useful page but it's not squeeze. teh google is your friend. |
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| 18:04.26 | jelly-home | Squeeb_: unusual mirror, 212.219.56.135 |
| 18:04.29 | djura-san | jhutchins_lt: okay then... I hope that i will able to fill up some bug reports to ease peoples suffering |
| 18:04.34 | Squeeb_ | netselect found it for me |
| 18:05.25 | thewanderer1 | debian-multimedia is temporarily broken |
| 18:06.37 | Squeeb_ | ah |
| 18:07.37 | jelly-home | ,versions apt |
| 18:07.39 | judd | apt -- etch: 0.6.46.4-0.1+etch1; etch-security: 0.6.46.4-0.1+etch1; lenny-security: 0.7.20.2+lenny1; lenny: 0.7.20.2+lenny2; squeeze-security: 0.7.20.2+squeeze1; squeeze: 0.8.0; sid: 0.8.1 |
| 18:08.04 | djura-san | ,versions bluez |
| 18:08.05 | judd | bluez -- lenny-backports: 4.60-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.66-1; sid: 4.69-1 |
| 18:08.21 | djura-san | hm :\ |
| 18:08.22 | peterrooney | Squeeb_: 212.219.56.135 hasn't been updated since etch |
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| 18:08.27 | Squeeb_ | lol |
| 18:08.31 | Squeeb_ | bizzare. |
| 18:08.47 | Squeeb_ | Seem to be good on deb http://the.earth.li/debian/ now :) |
| 18:08.58 | thewanderer1 | hehe |
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| 18:10.09 | Squeeb_ | wtf |
| 18:10.10 | Squeeb_ | http://the.earth.li lenny Release.gpg [ERROR] The HTTP server sent an invalid reply header |
| 18:10.26 | Squeeb_ | has someone divded by zero? |
| 18:12.18 | thewanderer1 | Squeeb_: track that down :P |
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| 18:12.37 | thewanderer1 | or give me the URL of Release.gpg |
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| 18:14.11 | thewanderer1 | downloading this via wget works for me |
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| 18:15.09 | Squeeb_ | Hm |
| 18:15.18 | Squeeb_ | working now |
| 18:15.20 | Squeeb_ | ISP fail |
| 18:15.50 | thewanderer1 | :P |
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| 18:18.12 | jelly-home | dpkg: armhf |
| 18:18.12 | dpkg | no idea, jelly-home |
| 18:18.16 | jelly-home | dpkg: powerpcspe |
| 18:18.17 | dpkg | jelly-home: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 18:18.41 | jelly-home | dpkg: you are clueless about new arches, aren't you |
| 18:18.42 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 18:19.54 | Squeeb_ | argh! |
| 18:19.56 | Squeeb_ | huge spider |
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| 18:20.20 | thewanderer1 | Squeeb_: did you mean: GoogleBot? |
| 18:20.36 | Squeeb_ | Nope, I meant the thing crawling over my foot |
| 18:20.37 | Squeeb_ | :X |
| 18:20.40 | Squeeb_ | it's feckinng huge |
| 18:20.56 | thewanderer1 | use apt's super cow powers for fending that off |
| 18:21.09 | Squeeb_ | It's bigger than the apt cow :( |
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| 18:21.26 | thewanderer1 | set your resolution to 20x16 and try again |
| 18:21.31 | Squeeb_ | :D |
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| 18:24.52 | Squeeb_ | Oh what the hell |
| 18:25.03 | Squeeb_ | now everything's suddenly unauthorized again |
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| 18:25.11 | digitalice | hi |
| 18:25.38 | thewanderer1 | Squeeb_: good, we're all hackers after all :P |
| 18:25.44 | digitalice | i want to install sun-java6-jre but it says the package is not found |
| 18:25.55 | digitalice | im using lenny |
| 18:26.02 | digitalice | should i add non-free repo? |
| 18:26.03 | thewanderer1 | digitalice: it is in non-free repo |
| 18:26.11 | djura-san | jhutchins: check out https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=570291 . It seems that people managed to locate the problem (i cant load any of the hacks on my sys atm) |
| 18:26.20 | thewanderer1 | digitalice: try the free equivalent first, though - it sometimes runs better |
| 18:26.38 | digitalice | mmm |
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| 18:28.02 | Squeeb_ | WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! debian-keyring |
| 18:28.05 | Squeeb_ | lol! |
| 18:28.15 | thewanderer1 | hehe |
| 18:28.31 | Squeeb_ | can i just "reset" apt |
| 18:28.32 | thewanderer1 | catch-22 |
| 18:28.33 | Squeeb_ | it's obviously broken |
| 18:28.55 | thewanderer1 | just install debian-keyring first, or obtain the keys in another way |
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| 18:29.43 | Squeeb_ | It's not working, i've reinstalled the keys, done apt-key update |
| 18:29.51 | Squeeb_ | and I'm still getting everything saying WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
| 18:30.23 | thewanderer1 | change mirror |
| 18:30.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | thewanderer1, I think it's just a regular catch? |
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| 18:32.07 | Squeeb_ | trying http://ftp.us.debian.org/ |
| 18:32.35 | Squeeb_ | works. |
| 18:32.35 | Squeeb_ | Hm |
| 18:32.46 | Squeeb_ | more mirror inconsistancies :( |
| 18:32.48 | craigevil | did you install debian-archive-keyring and debian-keyring? |
| 18:32.51 | Squeeb_ | yes |
| 18:32.56 | Squeeb_ | I also re-installed them |
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| 18:34.56 | pippijn | hi all |
| 18:35.22 | pippijn | what is the easiest way to pass extra options to ./configure when building with dh? |
| 18:35.44 | pippijn | these days, debian/rules is simply %: ; dh $@ |
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| 18:44.28 | lhz | I'm on testing right now. if I intend to switchover to squeeze, at what point should I edit my /etc/apt/sources.list to change to stable ? |
| 18:44.46 | Squeeb_ | When it becomes stable? |
| 18:44.48 | Squeeb_ | :X |
| 18:45.35 | lhz | is it too late, ie has squeeze and testing forked? |
| 18:45.50 | Squeeb_ | I've not seen anything.. |
| 18:45.56 | thewanderer1 | lhz: don't use "testing" or "stable". use "squeeze" name instead. |
| 18:46.01 | abrotman | lhz: you sohuld track squeeze .. and yes, you can still change it now |
| 18:46.54 | lhz | oh.. I can change it now to "squeeze"? |
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| 18:48.35 | djura-san | I think i found a solution to my bluetooth problem... I need only this info: what is the best way to exec script in debian on start, reboot, suspend etc.? |
| 18:48.49 | djura-san | To put it in rc.local or where...? :\ |
| 18:49.13 | BlackFate | cron |
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| 18:50.05 | djura-san | BlackFate: the fedora folks mentioned /etc/rc.local so im confused |
| 18:50.08 | djura-san | :\ |
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| 18:50.33 | BlackFate | well.. i prefer cron.. i find it "cleaner" |
| 18:50.48 | djura-san | i dont care about "clean" ;D |
| 18:50.58 | djura-san | i just need to get this hack working |
| 18:51.03 | djura-san | to test it |
| 18:51.14 | BlackFate | well.. both ways work.. you choose |
| 18:51.28 | djura-san | okay. |
| 18:51.32 | djura-san | thank you ;) |
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| 18:54.27 | ilembitov | Hi, all. Where could I find the freshest LiveCD (preferably a LiveUSB) image for Debian Squeeze? I need the GNOME version |
| 18:54.47 | thewanderer1 | live.debian.net |
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| 18:55.26 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions bluez |
| 18:55.27 | judd | bluez -- lenny-backports: 4.60-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.66-1; sid: 4.69-1 |
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| 18:55.39 | jhutchins_lt | Huh - wonder why it doesn't find the main release? |
| 18:55.44 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions bluez-utils |
| 18:55.46 | judd | bluez-utils -- etch: 3.7-1; lenny: 3.36-3; lenny-backports: 4.60-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.66-1; sid: 4.69-1 |
| 18:56.13 | ilembitov | thewanderer1: it's unreachable. Are you sure? |
| 18:56.50 | thewanderer1 | ilembitov: yes, live.debian.net |
| 18:57.06 | thewanderer1 | note it's not .org |
| 18:57.22 | ThisNicknameIsnt | live works for me, a bit slowly though |
| 18:57.28 | jhutchins_lt | When we get kernel updates that don't increment the version number, do we need to reboot to load the updated kernel? |
| 18:57.40 | ilembitov | thewanderer1: Found it, thanks |
| 18:57.44 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: if the kernel itself is updated, yes |
| 18:58.10 | thewanderer1 | ,info ksplice |
| 18:58.11 | judd | No record of package 'ksplice' in lenny/i386. |
| 18:58.20 | thewanderer1 | ,info --testing ksplice |
| 18:58.21 | judd | No record of package '--testing' in lenny/i386. |
| 18:58.24 | thewanderer1 | grrrrr |
| 18:58.41 | ilembitov | thewanderer1: Hybrid isos? Means I can use it for USB sticks? |
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| 18:59.09 | thewanderer1 | ilembitov: yes |
| 18:59.16 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 18:59.18 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.35-trunk-686 (2.6.35-1~experimental.2); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-21); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-21); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-20~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-25); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
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| 18:59.38 | thewanderer1 | ,info ksplice --release testing |
| 18:59.39 | judd | ksplice (admin, optional): Patching live kernel without having to reboot. Version: 0.9.9-2; Size: 152.4k; Installed: 856k; Homepage: http://ksplice.com |
| 19:00.02 | thewanderer1 | ^ jhutchins_lt |
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| 19:00.35 | jhutchins_lt | I'm aware of it, just wondering about the significance of the updates when they replace the current kernel instead of installing a new version. |
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| 19:00.48 | thewanderer1 | mostly security fixes |
| 19:00.53 | thewanderer1 | so yes, they do matter |
| 19:00.55 | jhutchins_lt | The linux-image package also includes a lot of modules. |
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| 19:01.24 | jhutchins_lt | I think I've seen three updates to 26-2 and none to 32-5. |
| 19:01.53 | thewanderer1 | perhaps the respective security holes are already fixed in the newer one |
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| 19:02.09 | jhutchins_lt | Perhaps backport versions don't get security updates. |
| 19:02.49 | thewanderer1 | http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=faq |
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| 19:09.03 | jhutchins_lt | I only run it on my workspaces, not on the servers, so they're ok. |
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| 19:11.46 | thewanderer1 | good |
| 19:12.02 | thewanderer1 | cause everyone knows testing is better for servers than backports :P |
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| 19:25.13 | funky | helo |
| 19:25.16 | funky | 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded. |
| 19:25.40 | funky | ^ i dont remember how to show those 2 programs that are not going to be upgraded |
| 19:25.55 | abrotman | aptitude search '~U' ? |
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| 19:26.06 | funky | yup, i it was that one, thanks |
| 19:26.11 | funky | i think* |
| 19:26.38 | funky | oh, are those which i marked as "hold" |
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| 19:27.50 | Raptors | how do you do special characters in gnome? |
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| 19:50.30 | ThisNicknameIsnt | Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 updated http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2010/msg00011.html |
| 19:51.23 | krisfremen | ooh, nice |
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| 19:53.18 | xover | how can i use rsync in a test run mode without changing files? |
| 19:53.31 | krisfremen | xover: --dry-run ? |
| 19:53.55 | xover | cheer bro |
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| 19:55.19 | Mat_Matan | hello, i have problem, i can not change language in a shell (bshellz), who can tell me how i can change local? |
| 19:55.38 | thewanderer1 | export LANG=C or any other language |
| 19:55.51 | thewanderer1 | in case your shell doesn't do export, just set LANG=C |
| 19:56.34 | Mat_Matan | Ok, set LANG=pl_PL ? For polish utf8 language? |
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| 19:57.06 | xover | krisfremen, that was bang on |
| 19:57.27 | krisfremen | great |
| 19:59.09 | Mat_Matan | i have still english language (i need polish language) |
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| 20:04.46 | thewanderer1 | Mat_Matan: try pl_PL.UTF-8 |
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| 20:38.03 | prizm | hey apt |
| 20:38.05 | retry | the mailing list is pretty good about clarifying that |
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| 20:38.26 | prizm | !help |
| 20:38.46 | markit | hi, seems that aptitude update is no more able to grab package list... is due to 5.0.6 release overload? |
| 20:39.01 | markit | any tip? I do need to install and configure a debian lenny tonight |
| 20:39.03 | Ash-Fox | My God 64MB of RAM |
| 20:39.10 | markit | but can't grab any package |
| 20:39.25 | markit | I've tried some italian and german mirrors |
| 20:39.30 | Ash-Fox | prizm, I'm sorry to say, but the last time I had that little ram was back in the mid 90s |
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| 20:39.38 | Ash-Fox | So I honestly do not know. |
| 20:39.47 | ckt1g3r | markit , I have the same problem with the squeeze |
| 20:40.09 | markit | ckt1g3r: my sid workstation has the same problem too, I'm just checked |
| 20:40.16 | prizm | Ash-Foxthis was a high-end minitower back in it's day |
| 20:40.24 | markit | anyone with working mirrors to suggest me? |
| 20:40.25 | prizm | dual-CD drives, one has DVD support and one can burn |
| 20:40.33 | prizm | ATI Rage 128 Pro GFX |
| 20:41.11 | Ash-Fox | prizm, I still wouldn't know with so little RAM. I've managed to a net install with 128MB RAM in the recent years |
| 20:41.23 | retry | markit I just ran apt-get upgrade and was fine |
| 20:41.40 | markit | retry: what mirror do you use? |
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| 20:41.44 | Ash-Fox | So I can say with 128MB, it's okay. |
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| 20:41.57 | retry | I am using mirrors.kernel.org |
| 20:42.11 | markit | let me try |
| 20:42.16 | hayleyw | does anyone know if the logitech g930 works on linux? i've googled for hours and cant find an answer |
| 20:42.21 | prizm | I do want to upgrade this PC though |
| 20:42.31 | DebianUser_ | anyone know why i don't see my wireless network |
| 20:42.35 | prizm | hayleyw: one way to find out: plug 'er in |
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| 20:43.07 | hayleyw | prizm, would if i had one. i want to buy it, but it's useless to me if it wont work |
| 20:43.24 | prizm | hmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 20:43.27 | retry | hayleyw, so buy from a store that lets you do a return |
| 20:43.36 | prizm | ask for a demo, pop in a live CD, see if it works? |
| 20:43.52 | retry | this is how I bought a pcmcia wifi card once...bought 3 cards plugged them all in one at a time, kept the only one that just worked which was a dlink actually |
| 20:43.56 | retry | the linksys and netgear failed! |
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| 20:44.46 | retry | I once took a livecd to a bestbuy and tried it in a few laptops |
| 20:44.52 | retry | they very nearly threw me out of the store |
| 20:44.58 | prizm | I never tried |
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| 20:45.10 | retry | they thought i was 'hacking' |
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| 20:45.28 | retry | long story short: best buy people are morons |
| 20:47.15 | abrotman | retry: did you find your changelog ? |
| 20:47.25 | retry | I did but see what I wrote? |
| 20:47.40 | abrotman | no, you didn't prefix my nick |
| 20:47.53 | retry | yeah sorry...was quiet when i wrote it |
| 20:47.57 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-2.6_2.6.26-25/changelog .. |
| 20:48.11 | abrotman | which fix are you referring to? |
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| 20:48.59 | retry | it doesn't say if the CVEs are exploitable from remote |
| 20:49.04 | retry | most kernel ones aren't though |
| 20:49.09 | abrotman | which one? |
| 20:49.32 | retry | it lists four CVEs for the latest kernel |
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| 20:49.36 | liran | Hi |
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| 20:49.52 | liran | im looking for Socks4 or 5 server application for debian 5 |
| 20:49.57 | abrotman | why do you care if it's remote or local ? |
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| 20:50.13 | retry | remote exploits are far more of a risk |
| 20:50.26 | retry | and I'm likely to expidite the kernel update if so |
| 20:50.29 | abrotman | why? if there's a remote in apache, that gets them a shell, then they use the local |
| 20:50.33 | abrotman | !tracker of doom |
| 20:50.34 | dpkg | it has been said that tracker of doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.org/ or read http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ or http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences |
| 20:50.41 | retry | vs waiting a bit to see if there are issues with the fixes |
| 20:51.08 | retry | yeah but there isn't a known issue in apache right now |
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| 20:51.33 | liran | im looking for Socks4 or 5 server application for debian 5 |
| 20:51.58 | abrotman | retry: yes, there is |
| 20:52.16 | Gijs | tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors |
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| 20:52.18 | Gijs | whats wrong? |
| 20:52.28 | retry | is there? where is that ? |
| 20:52.45 | abrotman | i just gave you the URL above |
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| 20:52.51 | liran | im looking for Socks4 or 5 server application for debian 5 |
| 20:52.56 | abrotman | liran: stop repeating |
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| 20:53.24 | abrotman | retry: plus you probably have some soft of apache modules like PHP, which has others |
| 20:53.32 | migue | hello |
| 20:53.45 | pm2 | Hi - I'm running a debian/postfix/amavis/spamassassin mail server. Is there a way to exclude from spam checks mail that originates from my local network? |
| 20:53.53 | migue | i ahve a problem with suspend to ram |
| 20:54.26 | migue | i am running lenny in a toshiba satellite 2210 |
| 20:54.35 | retry | well I dont run mod_proxy |
| 20:54.47 | retry | and the other issue is just a DOS not a shell hack |
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| 20:54.58 | abrotman | retry: right .. known issues .. and you ignored the rest of what i said |
| 20:54.59 | migue | i do not know if bios support it |
| 20:55.19 | retry | looking at the php issues now... |
| 20:55.29 | abrotman | and there might be others |
| 20:55.42 | retry | sure there always might be others |
| 20:55.49 | abrotman | i don't know everything that is on your server and/or plugged into apache or whatever other services you have |
| 20:55.51 | liran | im looking for Socks4 or 5 server application for debian 5 |
| 20:56.04 | retry | best thing you can do is patch asap |
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| 20:56.21 | retry | but when you have production machines that can't be down, you have to tread carefully with software changes |
| 20:56.28 | abrotman | liran: wtf is so hard about apt-cache search .. STOP repeating |
| 20:56.38 | abrotman | retry: it's a sunday? :) |
| 20:56.45 | Nepomuk | hi, i have an new root server, with an pre installed debian, how can i see, if i have x64 or x86 ??? |
| 20:56.54 | abrotman | Nepomuk: dpkg-architecture |
| 20:56.58 | retry | yeah man why do you think I"m here up to reboots today :D |
| 20:57.15 | retry | but I have to test on dev and spare boxes first before pushing updates to production servers |
| 20:57.27 | Nepomuk | dpkg-architecture dont work ^^ |
| 20:57.31 | abrotman | doesn't work? |
| 20:57.34 | retry | give them a week to run and if no weirdness appears, I'll push to prod |
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| 20:57.48 | abrotman | Nepomuk: what about it doesn't work ? |
| 20:57.59 | Nepomuk | -bash: dpkg-architecture: command not found |
| 20:58.03 | retry | dev box rebooted \o/ |
| 20:58.09 | abrotman | Nepomuk: do you have a 'dpkg' command ? |
| 20:58.23 | Nepomuk | no i dont think, its minimal |
| 20:58.32 | abrotman | if you don't have dpkg, it's not Debian |
| 20:58.49 | abrotman | Nepomuk: what is 'cat /proc/version' ? |
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| 20:59.21 | Nepomuk | Linux version 2.6.35.2-vs2.3.0.36.31 (root@vs11) (gcc version 4.3.3 (GCC) ) #1 SMP Tue Aug 31 14:09:08 CEST 2010 |
| 20:59.45 | epsilon | so some wired virtual server... |
| 21:00.11 | abrotman | Nepomuk: cat /etc/debian_version ? |
| 21:00.13 | epsilon | do you have /etc/debian_version? |
| 21:00.18 | epsilon | ^5 |
| 21:00.20 | Nepomuk | ok, i try to start an x64 app |
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| 21:08.11 | Gijs | i got a segmentation fault |
| 21:08.19 | Gijs | what was the command again to check if you miss core files? |
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| 21:11.11 | mikeconcepts | anyone having multimedia repro problems? |
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| 21:15.27 | Gijs | how to debug a segmentation fault or fix it? |
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| 21:16.17 | kermit | Gijs: strace, __LINE__ with printf |
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| 21:17.25 | Gijs | what? |
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| 21:20.51 | suguiura | Hey guys, is it possible for a debian package to have more than one maintainer, excluding co-maintainers? |
| 21:21.20 | DarkJustice | Can anyone guide me to why Xserver might be randomly crashing all the time? (it happens even when I'm just doing something simple such as opening Text Editor).. I've removed/purged all video drivers, renamed xorg.conf, re-installed Gnome, etc. |
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| 21:25.58 | joepa | anyone know how to prevent less (the pager) from clearing the screen on exit? |
| 21:26.42 | Gijs | how can i see what packages i am missing with a segmentation fault? |
| 21:26.44 | nkuttler | joepa: doesn't do that here |
| 21:27.05 | nkuttler | DarkJustice: which driver are you using? |
| 21:27.09 | kermit | joepa: -X |
| 21:27.15 | joepa | kermit: thanks |
| 21:27.35 | kermit | joepa: add -X to your LESS environ |
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| 21:28.30 | DarkJustice | nkuttler, at the moment just the standard vesa driver |
| 21:28.58 | nkuttler | DarkJustice: hm, that's bad. could it be a hardware problem? |
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| 21:29.48 | DarkJustice | nkuttler, I guess it could be, but the card itself was working fine on another system, of course that was a microshaft box |
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| 21:38.44 | Sia-- | i think we have to change the dpkg info about backports.org, now is official http://backports.debian.org/ |
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| 21:41.34 | DebianUser | i'm using live cd and cannot see my network |
| 21:41.51 | DebianUser | i installed b43-fwcutter |
| 21:42.06 | DebianUser | and my radio light is on but still not network |
| 21:45.26 | Sia-- | DebianUser, lspci output please |
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| 21:47.36 | DebianUser | http://paste.ubuntu.com/488943/ |
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| 21:48.53 | bint | is it complicated to host something like socks or bouncers on debian? so i could connect to an ftp over my debian server and it would be a kind of proxy |
| 21:49.14 | DebianUser | Sia--: here's the dmesg also.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/488944/ |
| 21:49.19 | ksk | hello |
| 21:49.47 | DebianUser | the thing is i did this earlier and could see the network but now i don't |
| 21:49.49 | ksk | is there a way to save the text size of a terminal(terminator)? |
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| 21:50.08 | ksk | i always have to increase it with strg + |
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| 21:50.46 | simonrvn | tried right clicking on it? |
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| 21:51.35 | ksk | on terminator? yes, but theres no option like that |
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| 21:51.53 | nkuttler | ksk: tried man terminator? |
| 21:52.19 | ksk | yes |
| 21:52.25 | simonrvn | 'save prefs' or such |
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| 21:57.04 | ksk | nothing about it |
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| 22:00.04 | DebianUser | Sia--: in the /lib/firmware i see both b43 and b43legacy dir and ucode5.fw is there in both the dir |
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| 22:00.19 | Sia-- | livecd? |
| 22:00.19 | DebianUser | but yet it is failing to load or something |
| 22:00.24 | DebianUser | yes |
| 22:00.27 | Sia-- | hmm |
| 22:00.28 | DebianUser | lenny |
| 22:01.02 | DebianUser | Linux debian 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Mon Jun 21 05:58:44 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 22:01.09 | thekix | Hi Folks |
| 22:01.12 | thekix | dpkg-source: error: can't build with source format '3.0 (quilt)': no orig.tar file found |
| 22:01.19 | thekix | any idea? |
| 22:01.33 | thekix | I found this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=580804 |
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| 22:02.35 | bint | !dpkg psybnc |
| 22:02.36 | dpkg | psyBNC is an IRC bouncer. http://www.psybnc.at/ Not in Debian due to licensing problems, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2004/06/msg00300.html . See also <sbnc>. |
| 22:02.42 | DebianUser | the very first time i did this it worked but my power source to the laptop was not plugged in so lost everything.. and i repeated the steps but now it refused to work |
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| 22:02.56 | toal193 | can anyone give me a links (docs/tutorials) on using apt/aptitude inside a chroot'd environment? |
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| 22:03.53 | toal193 | for example, the correct way of mounting the pseudo-filesystems |
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| 22:04.43 | Raptors | Aptitude update is stuck on "99% [3 Translation-en bzip2 0]" Does anyone know how to fix htis? |
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| 22:05.56 | qq- | !backports |
| 22:05.56 | dpkg | [backport] a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/ . Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 22:07.13 | Raptors | ??? |
| 22:07.51 | homie | beh, mysql-server and psotgresql-8.4 are full broken in squeeze.... |
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| 22:09.00 | DebianUser | Sia--: any thoughts |
| 22:09.31 | Sia-- | no srry, but i guess livecd can't do that! |
| 22:09.44 | DebianUser | do what? |
| 22:10.28 | qq- | DebianUser, see #debian-live on irc.debian.net |
| 22:10.53 | DebianUser | all my livecds work fine on this laptop and debian worked earlier too and i saw the network and as soon as i connected .. i lost my power |
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| 22:11.31 | oberon | hi |
| 22:11.52 | oberon | how do I make a router know about a secondary ip address I added to an ethN ? |
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| 22:12.53 | dvs | oberon: Your router shouldn't have to know about a "secondary IP" |
| 22:13.00 | oberon | (using "ip addr add ... ") |
| 22:13.09 | oberon | why not ? |
| 22:13.20 | oberon | I want my server to be reachable by more than 1 ip address |
| 22:13.52 | dvs | oberon: You put the IP in the router? |
| 22:15.10 | oberon | huh ? |
| 22:15.25 | dvs | How do you specify the router to go to the primary IP? |
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| 22:15.28 | oberon | the router know about the network |
| 22:15.36 | oberon | both ip are fro mthe same network |
| 22:15.44 | oberon | 192.168.1.4/24 + 192.168.1.5/24 |
| 22:15.51 | oberon | still I can only ping the primary |
| 22:15.58 | foetus | do i need to open port 20 in case of ftps (router) using an ftp-server? |
| 22:16.05 | oberon | the first one I add is always the primary and I can only ping it |
| 22:16.31 | bint | foetus if you want to connect to a server i think you dont have to open port 20 or 21 |
| 22:16.33 | dvs | add as a primary to the router? |
| 22:16.53 | bint | but if you want incoming connections on your ftp daemon.. then you'd probably have to open it |
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| 22:18.54 | foetus | bint: if you're running an ftp-server you surely have to open port 21 - but i don't know it so well in case of using TLS.. |
| 22:19.26 | foetus | open port 20, i mean.. |
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| 22:21.34 | dutchfish | hi anybody has a resolution for aptitude wich freezes on 99% [1 Translation-en bzip2 0] ? |
| 22:21.53 | dutchfish | (Debian Squeeze/x86_64) |
| 22:21.55 | bint | maybe i just dont understand it right.. but usually outgoing connections are open to most of the ports.. so there shouldn't be a problem connection over port 20 to anything.. |
| 22:22.22 | bint | but why dont you just test it? |
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| 22:26.08 | foetus | bint: yes, sorry- i will test it tomorrow.. i hope i could leave 20 closed.. will see |
| 22:28.07 | foetus | tls is not configured yet, so i cannot test it this time.. but thanks however |
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| 22:33.12 | starenka__ | what should i do if a packages refuses to install due to unresolved dependency when the dependecy in fact is satissfied, but apitude screws on comparing package name w/ version? |
| 22:33.25 | starenka__ | f.e w3af-console: Conflicts: python-json but 3.4-4 is installed. |
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| 22:41.49 | abrotman | starenka__: that's a conflict, not a depends |
| 22:42.32 | gnarface | anyone here use wine or cedega? I've got a weird problem that just cropped up after the sid update i did last night. basically i'm on amd64 and wine and cedega both stopped recognizing the 32-bit versions of libz, libfreetype and some other stuff, even though they were still installed and NOT part of the update (the files were still present even, i checked) |
| 22:42.54 | starenka__ | abrotman: is it? http://openpaste.org/en/23222/ |
| 22:43.04 | abrotman | the line you pasted above is |
| 22:43.29 | abrotman | starenka__: right .. it conflicts .. if you want to install w3af-console, you have to remove python-json |
| 22:43.44 | starenka__ | oh i see now |
| 22:43.57 | gnarface | oh also libasound was broken too. but here's what's weirder; doing a forced reinstall (apt-get --reinstall install) of ia32-libs, libfreetype and libz fixed wine, and like half the things cedega was complaining about - but cedega still can't find the GL stuff, it would seem, amongst other things. weird right? |
| 22:43.58 | starenka__ | sorry, getting blind lately :) |
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| 22:45.21 | nonick | hi, i wanna compile someting, and i get this error : "dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: unable to find dependency information for shared library libevent-2.0 (soname 2, path libevent-2.0.so.2, dependency field Depends)" what do i have to do and how ? |
| 22:47.34 | Raptors | ??? |
| 22:47.36 | Raptors | Aptitude update is stuck on "99% [3 Translation-en bzip2 0]" Does anyone know how to fix htis? |
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| 22:47.41 | Raptors | this* |
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| 22:49.04 | abrotman | Raptors: pastebin all the output |
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| 22:50.09 | Raptors | abrotman, http://pastie.org/1140417 |
| 22:50.36 | Raptors | I killed it because it was suck like that for like half an hour |
| 22:50.44 | abrotman | Raptors: did you try another mirror ? |
| 22:50.48 | Raptors | no... |
| 22:51.02 | abrotman | you know .. since you have like forty stupid sources .. you clearly don't know what's going on |
| 22:51.03 | nkuttler | Raptors: the multimeida mirror is slow/down today. comment that source out |
| 22:51.12 | Raptors | nkuttler, kk |
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| 22:51.49 | JordiGH | I asked in OFTC, but let me try again here: Sometimes when coming back from a suspend, my touchpad becomes unresponsive. Plugging in a USB mouse works fine. I guess I can probably try reloading some driver? How? |
| 22:52.16 | nonick | any ideas for my problem ? |
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| 22:56.09 | RickYRocK | I rent a server on centos... and my personal computer Ip is 70.43.12.45 how i can add in hosts.allow files in my server to be able to accept only ip with 70.*.*.* to 70.255.255.0 ? |
| 22:56.32 | kingsley | nonick: Have you searched Google's indices for that error message? |
| 22:56.34 | abrotman | why are you asking #debian ? |
| 22:56.43 | abrotman | RickYRocK: how is that related to Debian ? |
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| 23:01.00 | nonick | kingsley, yes but did no get anywhere ... |
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| 23:08.04 | kingsley | nonick: Have you checked for bug reports filed against the package containing libevent-2.0? |
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| 23:10.19 | kingsley | nonick: FYI: I need to go soon. |
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| 23:13.52 | hayleyw | how can i find the uuid for /dev/md3 ? |
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| 23:14.27 | streuner_ | hayleyw: /msg dpkg uuid ? |
| 23:14.37 | hayleyw | streuner_, thanks |
| 23:15.01 | CrazyFoam | anyone using xen in squeeze? think i found a bug in libvirt0 with a simple script, wondering if it breaks on other installs or is it just me. |
| 23:15.19 | abrotman | did you check the BTS? |
| 23:15.51 | CrazyFoam | abrotman, yeah checked BTS on libvirt0 and python-libvirt, also upstreams BTS |
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| 23:17.02 | CrazyFoam | was about to open a bug on munin-libvirt-plugins, but then realized that it's probably something wrong in libvirt0 and possibly just my setup |
| 23:18.14 | CrazyFoam | simple script which breaks: http://pastebin.ca/1933973 |
| 23:18.51 | CrazyFoam | ...and the output http://pastebin.ca/1933965 |
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| 23:25.00 | LinuxGuy2009 | Ive installed just the base system and then added openbox window manager, gdm, and a few apps. I seem to be missing something cause the openbox popup menu doesnt include the "Debian" menu entry that lists program catagories and names to launch them. What am I missing? |
| 23:25.02 | I-are- | if I have both mplayer and vlc installed on my machine, what is the best way to make the mozilla-plugin-vlc the default and not mplayer without removing mplayer? |
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| 23:29.03 | gnarface | I-are-: there is an mplayer plugin too? you can just go to tools->add-ons and disable any plugin you have installed that you don't want used |
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| 23:44.45 | g0bl1n | I need to decrypt a file (which I don't know what kind of encryption was used). What should I use, from Lenny repo's ? |
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| 23:46.42 | kingsley | Does the "file" command tell you anything useful about what type of file it is? |
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| 23:56.25 | xand | g0bl1n: ask whoever encrypted it how they did. |
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| 23:56.48 | xand | g0bl1n: but a properly encrypted file is indistinguishable from random bytes |
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| 23:57.49 | g0bl1n | xand, its for a quiz. We managed to create the file, that seems to need some bruteforce of some kind |
| 23:58.00 | xand | er? |
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| 23:58.09 | g0bl1n | xand, yes, looks like random bytes now |
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| 23:58.47 | abrotman | we're doing your home work ? |
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