| 00:00.07 | g0bl1n | I need some tool from Lenny repos to bruteforce a file. |
| 00:00.19 | abrotman | that's what your professor said? |
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| 00:00.35 | g0bl1n | abrotman, yes sir |
| 00:00.50 | abrotman | g0bl1n: maybe you should ask your professor for more details? |
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| 00:01.03 | g0bl1n | abrotman, I am kidding :-> |
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| 00:02.54 | ShapeShifter499 | anyway I get around this error ----> fusermount: mount failed: Operation not permitted without use root? |
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| 00:02.58 | ShapeShifter499 | *using |
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| 00:18.42 | iluminator101 | Hey Guys, could I add ubuntu lucid to sources, with lower pinning preference, if an app is not available on debian squeeze??? |
| 00:19.57 | abrotman | wtf .. no |
| 00:20.01 | abrotman | not a chance in hell |
| 00:20.44 | thesnark | Right, the trees are different I believe |
| 00:21.20 | iluminator101 | so what you are saying they use different sources files, could cause the system become unstable |
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| 00:21.47 | rsr | hello |
| 00:22.10 | abrotman | iluminator101: do not do it |
| 00:22.52 | iluminator101 | abortman i am not |
| 00:23.39 | rsr | I am trying to configure the scroll buttons on a logitech marble mouse but I donĀ“t seem to find anything debian related. I can only find info on editing xorg for Ubuntu but the last try screwed up X and I had to comment out the additions with vi. Does anyone know how I can configure the marble mouse? |
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| 00:27.50 | AbsintheSyringe | iluminator101, just use that package from Sid |
| 00:28.12 | AbsintheSyringe | it can almost never be newer then the one in Sid |
| 00:28.56 | abrotman | he didn't even say which package .. and it's still not a good idea |
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| 00:30.25 | AbsintheSyringe | sure it is, I'm on Sid and I assure it's more stable then any ubuntu :) |
| 00:30.34 | AbsintheSyringe | btw talking about this |
| 00:30.43 | AbsintheSyringe | iluminator101, just today http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100905 |
| 00:31.36 | iluminator101 | AbsintheSyringe, super |
| 00:31.56 | AbsintheSyringe | iluminator101, which package are you talking about? |
| 00:33.16 | AbsintheSyringe | I'm off to try getting some sleep |
| 00:33.32 | AbsintheSyringe | abrotman, I'll try being more active on freenode in case you guys missed me in offtopic :P |
| 00:33.59 | iluminator101 | well it not any particular package i run my main desktop on ubuntu, and i run my laptop on debian, i like them both, i was thinking about switching the debian to ubuntu..... |
| 00:34.03 | abrotman | AbsintheSyringe: i meant that if the package isn't in squeeze, it's probably not in sid .. and in general, this is bad practice |
| 00:34.15 | abrotman | iluminator101: do NOT mix packages from sid in your squeeze install, it will break |
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| 00:34.32 | AbsintheSyringe | iluminator101, yea, why don't you just switch to squeeze? |
| 00:34.57 | abrotman | iluminator101: why would you ask us about installing ubuntu, try #ubuntu |
| 00:34.58 | AbsintheSyringe | oh he is on squeeze |
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| 00:35.10 | abrotman | iluminator101: but mixing distros will break your system |
| 00:35.32 | AbsintheSyringe | it won't unless you're really experienced |
| 00:35.39 | AbsintheSyringe | but usually will :) |
| 00:35.44 | abrotman | it will |
| 00:35.47 | abrotman | don't confuse hiim |
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| 00:37.00 | AbsintheSyringe | I'm the http://io.debian.net/images/horned-logo.png :P |
| 00:37.52 | AbsintheSyringe | out, enjoy |
| 00:38.04 | abrotman | later! |
| 00:38.11 | iluminator101 | bye AbsintheSyringe |
| 00:38.29 | AbsintheSyringe | *waves |
| 00:38.35 | iluminator101 | AbsintheSyringe, what pinning you using for sid |
| 00:38.45 | AbsintheSyringe | iluminator101, I am on sid |
| 00:38.54 | iluminator101 | completely |
| 00:38.57 | AbsintheSyringe | yea |
| 00:39.01 | AbsintheSyringe | but again, I'm into development |
| 00:39.06 | AbsintheSyringe | so keep that in mind |
| 00:39.18 | AbsintheSyringe | besides Sid I have experimental, so just stick to squeeze ;) |
| 00:39.36 | iluminator101 | yea |
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| 00:41.08 | abrotman | iluminator101: do NOT use sid |
| 00:41.22 | abrotman | iluminator101: you are not capable of doing this .. you're asking us basic questions constantly |
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| 00:42.19 | iluminator101 | abortman i am capable of anything i put my mind to, i havent developed my skill to that level, i am messed with sid to know not to use it |
| 00:42.27 | abrotman | then please stop asking us .. have fun |
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| 00:43.00 | iluminator101 | peace /quit |
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| 01:03.29 | rsr | how do I add repositories with devede and codecs? |
| 01:03.41 | abrotman | !tell rsr about dmm |
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| 01:04.46 | bahadunn | you guys ever had problems with ps2 or usb keyboards not working in grub? |
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| 01:22.31 | Suit_Of_Sables | does anyone know of a ncurses like video media library/mplayer controler? basically ncmpcpp for mplayer |
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| 01:27.30 | gnarface | Suit_Of_Sables: i think that some media players can play video at the console through SVGAlib - but it's not known for being very secure or easy to configure |
| 01:28.16 | gnarface | unless you meant something like libcaca or libaa - which will convert video output to autogenerated ascii-art, which is also a (mostly useless but quite novel) feature of many popular media players |
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| 01:38.22 | Suit_Of_Sables | gnarface: I don't really want the mplayer video to be played in the console. I want the library browsing/meta data editing/mplayer remote controlling to be in the command line. the video can play in it's own window as usual |
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| 01:40.43 | abrotman | mpd ? |
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| 01:41.02 | gnarface | Suit_Of_Sables: aah, i misunderstood. vlc has a text-based remote mode that you can control by terminal |
| 01:41.10 | gnarface | (or by bash script) |
| 01:41.35 | gnarface | i'm kinda surprised mplayer doesn't when you're not using gmplayer - but i am really sadly not as good with mplayer as i am with vlc |
| 01:43.23 | Nikyo | @Suit_Of_Sables: For audio, how about CMUS ? Or do you need both audio and video player? |
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| 01:44.09 | abrotman | he keeps saying video |
| 01:44.22 | Nikyo | sorry |
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| 01:44.42 | Nikyo | just throwing in my 2 cents |
| 01:44.45 | Nikyo | -- |
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| 01:48.14 | gnarface | vlc has sick awesome feature planning and for some reason horrible horrible quality control |
| 01:48.21 | gnarface | it makes me cry |
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| 02:13.34 | Suit_Of_Sables | I'm in love with mplayer so I'd really like to keep using it |
| 02:14.18 | Suit_Of_Sables | and I also love ncmpcpp for use with mpd but and I'd really like the same sort of functionality for video |
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| 02:21.39 | rsr | how can I check the hard disk for errors |
| 02:21.41 | rsr | ? |
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| 02:24.10 | dissidentss | hdparm |
| 02:24.35 | dissidentss | just kidding you should probably use some other diagnostic utility |
| 02:24.38 | dissidentss | no idea |
| 02:25.47 | rsr | one other thing |
| 02:26.21 | rsr | I have a logitech marble mouse witch I cant map the scroll buttons. I have tried looking for information on google but can only find ubuntu related docs |
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| 02:28.05 | johntramp | hi. I have a monitor which can do 1920x1080 but the most xrandr shows is 1680x1050. What do I need to do to increase the resolution further? |
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| 02:35.36 | gnarface | johntramp: if x doesn't autodetect it with manual horizontal and vertical sync settings and manual resolution settings, you need to generate a modeline manually (ask google - it's ugly) |
| 02:36.41 | johntramp | gnarface: i just got it going by reconfiguring xorg |
| 02:36.59 | johntramp | so you would be right - it didn't have the modelines |
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| 02:40.14 | gnarface | johntramp: ah yes, sometimes X can autoconfigure this for you. it's gotten very good lately, and so have monitors (especially LCD's) at reporting their parameters accurately. using really old CRT gear is where you often have to break down into finding some online modeline generator app to manually put in all the timing parameters |
| 02:41.24 | gnarface | i've had CRT monitors that reported EDID,DPMS type stuff *wrong* and had to be manually overridden to behave as the manufacturer's manual prescribed |
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| 02:44.10 | johntramp | gnarface: yeah i remember the nightmares involved with setting up xorg.conf |
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| 02:48.35 | unkmar | boo hoo. it ain't working. Whahhh. I'm such a cry baby. |
| 02:48.40 | unkmar | ok, that is out of the way. |
| 02:49.07 | unkmar | sound drivers install but... /dev/dsp doesn't exist. ideas? |
| 02:49.25 | unkmar | panasonic CF-T2 Intel 810x |
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| 02:54.14 | gnarface | unkmar: my idea: you're using alsa (which is good) but you need OSS still (which is sad) so your solution is to install the alsa-oss package (which is happy!) |
| 02:54.27 | chops1 | Nothing like a server where the first task is to switch sources.list to point to the archive so I can still install etch packages... |
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| 02:56.30 | unkmar | alsa-oss is installed as well. :( |
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| 02:58.01 | gnarface | unkmar: alsa-oss is installed but there is no /dev/dsp??? reboot and if it's still not there check your logs |
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| 03:06.09 | chops1 | Ugh -- I hate to ask, but isn't etch-backports available anymore? I see it seems to be available and I can download packages indexes from it, but I get "W: Couldn't stat source package list ... (2 No such file or directory)" after the downloads all succeed when running aptitude update |
| 03:06.43 | chops1 | Oh: Failed to fetch ... Packages.bz2 MD5Sum mismatch |
| 03:08.47 | chops1 | Well, more precisely, backports.debian.org gives me 404 Not found... www.backports.org gives me the MD5Sum mismatch |
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| 03:10.34 | jelly-home | unkmar: is there a need for /dev/dsp* to exist? alsa-oss package does provide it; instead, it provides a software wrapper for software that still wants to use OSS devices. |
| 03:10.44 | jelly-home | doesn't* |
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| 04:36.55 | jpinx-eeepc | w00t backports is now "official" :) |
| 04:37.07 | jpinx-eeepc | !backports.org |
| 04:37.07 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo kernel> <bdo users>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2010/msg00012.html |
| 04:37.22 | jpinx-eeepc | Oh -- someone beat me to it :) |
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| 05:32.09 | fishcooker | is there any possibilyt that i use debian with ubuntu repository?! |
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| 05:41.55 | omid8bimo | yo all |
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| 05:43.36 | insign | Hello, i need a generic help. I want link subdomain.mysite.com to an other server out of the server of mysite.com, on dns config, ill use NS or CNAME param? So that the same files from the main site are available in the subdomain. |
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| 05:46.46 | ennui | if raid is not an option for me is there some way through links one could have multiple directories on different HDDs appear as a single dir. does that make sense? >.< |
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| 05:48.35 | ennui | for example when i access ~/Video I want it to show me the contents of '/mnt/ext1/Media' and '/mnt/ext2/Media' |
| 05:48.45 | Guest4091 | ennui: symlinks |
| 05:49.04 | Guest4091 | hardlinks don't work across devices, so symlinks or mount --bind are your only options |
| 05:49.16 | Guest4091 | (bindmounts) |
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| 05:49.47 | Guest4091 | bindmounts will work with proftpd as well, symlinks will in general not |
| 05:50.11 | Guest4091 | else you should just stick with symlinks if you don't intend to use proftpd |
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| 05:50.47 | Guest4091 | much easier.. ln -s /mnt/ext1/Media ~/Video i.e. , you have to create each dir in ~ , so mkdir ~/Video ; mkdir ~/Media2 ,.. |
| 05:50.49 | ennui | Guest4091: what might the command look like to make a dir which is a symlink of multiple real directories? ln -s ?? |
| 05:50.54 | ennui | ah |
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| 05:52.37 | Guest4091 | insign: you copy the whole zone file and optionally make a * IN A server-ip (wildcard host record) |
| 05:53.08 | JasonPilton | Is there a terminal command of some kind I can run to find all files created in a certain time? Like all files created in the past hour or day? |
| 05:53.29 | Guest4091 | CNAME shouldn't be used , it is mostly for using if you have already defined a host record in the same zonefile, so you only have to define it once (an alias so to say that points to the previous defined ip) |
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| 05:54.35 | Guest4091 | JasonPilton: find -mtime 1 for past day, or -mmin 60 for past hour |
| 05:54.53 | JasonPilton | Guest4091: Awesome thanks |
| 05:55.08 | Guest4091 | you might want to throw in a -maxdepth 1 |
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| 05:55.27 | Guest4091 | I would recommend i.e.: find -maxdepth 1 -mtime 1 2>/dev/null |
| 05:55.47 | Guest4091 | that avoids the errors you get if you don't have access to a dir with files |
| 05:56.11 | Guest4091 | (should be run from your ~) |
| 05:56.25 | JasonPilton | I just installed a ruby ide and it did some indexing gem feature automatically and for some reason it ate up 15 gigs of space lol... need to find those files haha |
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| 05:57.00 | Guest4091 | you could try du -s *|sort -n |
| 05:57.17 | Guest4091 | but else find -size +20M or such might work |
| 05:57.31 | Guest4091 | or +1G :) whatever it might be |
| 05:57.41 | JasonPilton | ah cool |
| 05:57.52 | JasonPilton | yea thanks again :) |
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| 06:00.09 | ennui | Guest4091: I'm having trouble making a symlink to more than one directory. it seems if you just use the ln -s target link again it overights the original link |
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| 06:03.57 | peterrooney | ennui: what you are asking for isn't really possible. |
| 06:04.54 | peterrooney | any device mounted must be mounted at a directory. |
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| 06:11.06 | pallgone | ehm, mount with --bind? |
| 06:12.38 | pallgone | ^ ennui |
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| 06:17.15 | qiyong | what is the ibus input applet binary name? |
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| 06:41.47 | pht | hi |
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| 06:42.14 | pht | is there a standard way to run/stop/configure firewall in debian? |
| 06:42.25 | shylent | iptables, of course |
| 06:42.35 | pht | most distros have something like /etc/init.d/iptables stop|start|save ... |
| 06:42.45 | shylent | oh, you mean that |
| 06:43.13 | shylent | to be honest I use a "custom" script to do that, but there should be a standard init-script for it *somewhere* |
| 06:43.44 | pht | it seems there is not |
| 06:44.47 | shylent | hm, yeah (after a bit of googling) |
| 06:44.52 | pht | the question is then where do i put my application specific rules |
| 06:45.02 | pht | when i am making a deb package of my application |
| 06:45.14 | shylent | application-specific iptables rules? |
| 06:46.01 | pht | yes those |
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| 06:47.55 | shylent | that's an interesting question, - to be honest I have no idea, because there seems to be no standard way of doing that in debian (storing iptables rules) |
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| 06:48.19 | shylent | perhaps you should do that in your application-specific way in your application itself |
| 06:48.23 | pht | very well, i'll just place an iptables command into the init script |
| 06:48.36 | classical | hey ppl :-) im trying to copy from remote host to remote host files with scp but it freezes |
| 06:48.47 | classical | scp repo-install.sh root@80.83.x,x:/home/classical |
| 06:48.57 | classical | why ? |
| 06:49.22 | pht | which brings me to the second question: standard way to enable/disable services at boot? (aka chkconfig foobar on/off) |
| 06:49.38 | shylent | update-rc.d ? |
| 06:49.49 | classical | ssh: connect to host 80.83.x.x port 22: Connection timed out |
| 06:49.49 | classical | lost connection |
| 06:50.07 | classical | i can normally connect to 80.83.x.x |
| 06:50.13 | classical | but scp cant |
| 06:50.23 | shylent | classical: try telnet |
| 06:50.46 | classical | shylent, telnet is not secure :-) |
| 06:51.03 | shylent | classical: lol really? I mean, try to see if the port is available via telnet |
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| 06:51.21 | unkmar | lol. That was a funny one. |
| 06:51.56 | classical | Shadur, i can normally connect to the hots im trying to copy file wit scp |
| 06:52.07 | classical | Shadur, i can normally connect to the hots im trying to copy file with scp* |
| 06:52.18 | pht | shylent, ok, that seems to be it ... so update-rc.d foobar enable/disable ? |
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| 06:53.13 | unkmar | classical: telnet 80.83.x.x |
| 06:53.18 | unkmar | Does it respond or timeout? |
| 06:53.23 | unkmar | classical: telnet 80.83.x.x 22 |
| 06:54.00 | shylent | pht: weeellll, almost, - you should check the manual, the syntax is a bit different from what you've said, but pretty close :) |
| 06:54.28 | shylent | its more like update-rc.d foobar defaults / update-rc.d foobar remove |
| 06:54.28 | pht | yeah, the manual is quite obfuscated, but i'll try |
| 06:54.37 | shylent | hehe, yeah, it is |
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| 06:54.47 | unkmar | crud, I did it again. |
| 06:54.51 | classical | aww there is not passwd authentication via ssh :-D |
| 06:54.56 | unkmar | tea is STILL in the microwave. |
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| 06:55.36 | unkmar | classical: so you need keys? |
| 06:56.08 | pht | shylent, any way to *list* which services are on and off? |
| 06:56.19 | classical | i use rsa public key encryption on server i forget about it |
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| 06:56.27 | classical | unkmar, yep :-) |
| 06:56.59 | classical | its works now thanks :-) |
| 06:57.26 | shylent | pht: well, you should be able to do service --status-all, but that does nothing in debian (because apparently not all init scripts support 'status' command) |
| 06:57.44 | shylent | pht: otherwise, you can use 'sysvconfig' |
| 06:58.02 | pht | shylent, that would say which services are *running* but not which ones are *configured to start at boot* |
| 06:58.08 | shylent | ahhh yes |
| 06:58.13 | shylent | so, sysvconfig it is then |
| 06:58.19 | shylent | sorry :) |
| 06:58.40 | pht | no such command ;P |
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| 07:00.20 | shylent | sudo aptitude install sysvconfig ? :P |
| 07:00.30 | shylent | its not there by default |
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| 07:01.11 | pht | not found |
| 07:01.28 | pht | plus - i would really not start depending on non default stuff |
| 07:01.45 | pht | i have no idea what the target configuration will be |
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| 07:02.22 | shylent | well, that tool isn't supposed to be accessed programmatically anyway |
| 07:02.41 | Husaini | hi |
| 07:03.11 | Husaini | i try install gwibber in debian lenny |
| 07:03.21 | Husaini | something error .. anyone can help me ? |
| 07:03.25 | jpinx-eeepc | ,versions gwibber |
| 07:03.26 | judd | gwibber -- sid: 1.2.0+bzr358-3; squeeze: 1.2.0+bzr358-3 |
| 07:03.39 | Husaini | let me show in pastebin |
| 07:03.43 | jpinx-eeepc | Husaini: it's packaged for lenny |
| 07:03.50 | pht | actually with this particular question i was aiming for what to fill in the 'check that service is boot enabled' paragraph in the documentation. it would be bummer if they typed that in and it would say command not found... |
| 07:03.58 | jpinx-eeepc | ^^not^^ |
| 07:04.11 | shylent | yeah, I see |
| 07:04.24 | Husaini | http://pastebin.com/ysmYZ4rS |
| 07:04.28 | Husaini | look the error |
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| 07:05.06 | jpinx-eeepc | Husaini: it's *not* packaged for lenny |
| 07:05.20 | Husaini | ah |
| 07:05.23 | Husaini | really ? |
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| 07:05.56 | jpinx-eeepc | Husaini: and I have no idea wtf you were doing to produce that error/output, but it wasn't aptitude |
| 07:06.17 | Husaini | ok |
| 07:06.20 | Husaini | let me check |
| 07:06.48 | Husaini | gwibber -- sid: 1.2.0+bzr358-3; squeeze: 1.2.0+bzr358-3 <-- lenny pkg ? |
| 07:06.49 | jpinx-eeepc | Husaini: full command and full output is what's needed ;) |
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| 07:07.34 | jpinx-eeepc | Husaini: what part of "squeeze: 1.2..." do you not understnd? |
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| 07:10.02 | pht | shylent, on second thought i think i'll leave that to when i actually have the package... |
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| 07:15.14 | shylent | pht: well, from my experience, usually the package does that by itself and does not expect the user to check if it is indeed enabled or not. If the end-user wants to fiddle with the configuration he is free to do that of course |
| 07:16.42 | Husaini | squeeze and lenny is same ? |
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| 07:18.40 | jpinx-eeepc | Husaini: no |
| 07:19.08 | jpinx-eeepc | Husaini: paste the output of cat /etc/debian_version |
| 07:19.38 | Husaini | 5.0.6 |
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| 07:19.59 | jelly-home | Husaini: Debian 5.0 is codenamed lenny. squeeze is what will eventually become 6.0 |
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| 07:21.16 | Husaini | so my version ? |
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| 07:21.49 | wcs | wow!, how much people! |
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| 07:21.55 | wcs | :D |
| 07:22.00 | unkmar | one or 2 of us. |
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| 07:22.10 | pht | shylent, hmm that changes things... |
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| 07:22.56 | jelly-home | Husaini: is still a 5.0.x, codename lenny, and there is no official "gwibber" package for it |
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| 07:23.22 | Husaini | how to upgrade to squeeze ? |
| 07:23.31 | unkmar | what is a gwibber anyway? |
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| 07:23.57 | wcs | just change the "lenny" to "squeeze" on /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 07:24.10 | jelly-home | wcs: incorrect |
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| 07:24.23 | jelly-home | Husaini: read this: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
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| 07:25.00 | jelly-home | Husaini: squeeze isn't released yet. There will be breakages. |
| 07:25.13 | Husaini | i will stay in lenny |
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| 07:25.29 | jelly-home | that's the safe option, yes |
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| 07:26.20 | jpinx-eeepc | Husaini: you can use backports maybe |
| 07:26.35 | jpinx-eeepc | !backports |
| 07:26.36 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 07:26.43 | jelly-home | jpinx-eeepc: judd would have shown a backports version if there were any |
| 07:26.46 | jpinx-eeepc | Husaini: ĆĀ±Ć¢ĀĀĆ¢ĀĀĆ¢ĀĀĆ¢ĀĀ |
| 07:26.47 | unkmar | sheesh, people and their socializing. I already socialize too much. I have a gf, a brother, and mother. That is too much socializing. :P |
| 07:27.13 | jpinx-eeepc | jelly-home: cool - I didn't know judd was so clever ;) |
| 07:27.23 | jpinx-eeepc | !ssb |
| 07:27.24 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 07:27.34 | jpinx-eeepc | Husaini: do it yourself ;) Ć¢ĀĀĆ¢ĀĀĆ¢ĀĀ |
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| 07:28.15 | jelly-home | jpinx-eeepc: are you also going to show him how to recursively backport all the python modules needed for it? |
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| 07:30.25 | jpinx-eeepc | ,depends gwibber --version squeeze |
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| 07:30.26 | judd | (depends <packagename> [--arch <i386>] [--release <lenny>]) -- Show the packages that are listed as 'Depends' for a given package. By default, the current stable release and i386 are used. |
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| 07:31.17 | Husaini | yes |
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| 07:32.34 | jpinx-eeepc | Husaini: jelly-home knows how to make judd tell you the depends |
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| 07:33.04 | jelly-home | I'm not going to help him with this issue, I deem it too complex. |
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| 07:33.36 | jpinx-eeepc | jelly-home: what's the syntax to make judd behave? |
| 07:33.54 | jelly-home | jpinx-eeepc: judd told you, above. --release |
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| 07:34.09 | jpinx-eeepc | I thought I had done that.... |
| 07:34.12 | jpinx-eeepc | ,depends gwibber --version squeeze |
| 07:34.12 | judd | (depends <packagename> [--arch <i386>] [--release <lenny>]) -- Show the packages that are listed as 'Depends' for a given package. By default, the current stable release and i386 are used. |
| 07:34.23 | jpinx-eeepc | ,depends gwibber --release squeeze |
| 07:34.24 | judd | gwibber -- depends: python (>= 2.5), python-support (>= 0.90.0), libjs-jquery (>= 1.3.3), python-dbus (>= 0.83.0), python-egenix-mxdatetime (>= 3.1.2), python-feedparser (>= 4.1), python-gconf (>= 2.26.1), python-glade2, python-gtk2 (>= 2.14.1), python-imaging (>= 1.1.6), python-mako (>= 0.2.4), python-notify (>= 0.1.1), python-simplejson (>= 2.0.9), python-webkit (>= 1.0.2), python-xdg (>= |
| 07:34.26 | judd | 0.15), xdg-utils. |
| 07:34.42 | jpinx-eeepc | Husaini: there ya go Ć¢ĀĀĆ¢ĀĀĆ¢ĀĀ |
| 07:35.14 | Husaini | but i scare |
| 07:35.20 | Husaini | squeeze not stable |
| 07:35.34 | jpinx-eeepc | Husaini: then don't use it |
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| 07:36.50 | unkmar | does judd know which kernel is the most recent for squeeze? |
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| 07:37.11 | jelly-home | unkmar: yes, /msg judd kernels |
| 07:37.11 | streuner__ | .32 most likely |
| 07:37.23 | streuner__ | 2.6.32 |
| 07:37.49 | streuner | unkmar: why? |
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| 07:39.02 | unkmar | streuner: one of many problems mentioned in ##linux. U301 and sound on Panasonic CF-T2 |
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| 07:39.16 | enferex | I am compiling and linking with "-O0 -g3" yet I still cannot seem to look at the source in GDB. By backtraces are all addresses and not just the corresponding address and source line. |
| 07:40.27 | unkmar | does judd stand for something or just a name someone here liked? |
| 07:40.52 | jelly-home | !udd |
| 07:40.52 | dpkg | [udd] the "Ultimate Debian Database", an effort to gather lots of useful information about Debian from a variety of sources and stuff it all into a giant PostgreSQL database. http://wiki.debian.org/UltimateDebianDatabase http://udd.debian.org/ |
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| 07:41.57 | jelly-home | unkmar: /msg dpkg judd |
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| 07:43.49 | unkmar | jelly-home: danke |
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| 08:09.18 | Husaini | let me check |
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| 08:13.51 | groton | on an usb external hd, i found that the partition table is empty (it says it has 320Gb of free space). But if i attach it to a linux host, i see the 320Gb ext3 partition, i can mount, read and write to it. What is the problem? |
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| 08:17.54 | antivigilante | what is a good editor which only loads views of files rather than loading the whole damned thing |
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| 08:18.16 | tarzeau | antivigilante: emacs? |
| 08:18.30 | cast | antivigilante: less? |
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| 08:18.42 | tarzeau | cast: that's not an editor |
| 08:18.42 | antivigilante | i am loading a 1.7G memory dump |
| 08:18.59 | cast | antivigilante: are you going to edit it? |
| 08:19.04 | tarzeau | antivigilante: maybe it's because that's how file systems work? |
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| 08:19.21 | antivigilante | hm |
| 08:19.24 | tarzeau | cast: he asked for an editor |
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| 08:19.35 | cast | tarzeau: for a memory dump... |
| 08:19.43 | tarzeau | cast: who knows what he wants to do |
| 08:19.49 | antivigilante | cast is right what I actually want is to get some text out |
| 08:19.52 | tarzeau | cast: make sure the passwords are not right in the dump |
| 08:20.04 | BlackFate | antivigilante, user head and tail |
| 08:20.08 | cast | tarzeau: very very difficult |
| 08:20.08 | antivigilante | i was trying editors so... |
| 08:20.09 | BlackFate | use* |
| 08:20.17 | cast | antivigilante: grep! |
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| 08:20.41 | BlackFate | antivigilante, make a script that parses your file with head and tail, portion by portion |
| 08:20.46 | antivigilante | if only grep reported the offset where it finds stuff |
| 08:20.51 | cast | antivigilante: it does |
| 08:20.57 | antivigilante | really? |
| 08:21.00 | antivigilante | where? |
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| 08:21.13 | antivigilante | er how |
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| 08:21.34 | cast | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:21.57 | antivigilante | lines... |
| 08:22.16 | antivigilante | well it is a memory dump - it's kind binary |
| 08:22.21 | antivigilante | er kinda |
| 08:22.32 | cast | 'we can force'...;) |
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| 08:23.02 | antivigilante | i had an awesome blog post and i hit Ctrl Z too many times |
| 08:23.07 | cast | less supports searching though, |
| 08:23.12 | antivigilante | and then it saved |
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| 08:23.23 | antivigilante | dumbass blogger |
| 08:23.41 | cast | what are you looking for? |
| 08:23.55 | antivigilante | post with image links everything |
| 08:24.15 | BlackFate | antivigilante, "less does not have |
| 08:24.15 | BlackFate | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:24.15 | BlackFate | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:24.22 | BlackFate | from man pages.. soz for spam |
| 08:24.26 | cast | BlackFate: we've been there :) |
| 08:24.36 | antivigilante | well anyway I'm gonna try less |
| 08:24.43 | antivigilante | it should do it |
| 08:24.54 | antivigilante | i am using a 6pt font |
| 08:24.58 | antivigilante | hehe |
| 08:24.58 | cast | tarzeau: remember! sometimes people ask the wrong questions :) |
| 08:25.04 | unkmar | antivigilante: and you can search using less. |
| 08:25.12 | antivigilante | cool thx |
| 08:25.18 | antivigilante | i use less all the time |
| 08:25.19 | cast | good lord. is it repeat cast dayh |
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| 08:25.36 | unkmar | antivigilante: just type / and what you want to search |
| 08:25.38 | antivigilante | completely forgot about it |
| 08:25.42 | antivigilante | yup |
| 08:25.45 | antivigilante | wish me luck |
| 08:26.03 | unkmar | good luck. |
| 08:26.32 | unkmar | sends a leprachaun to assist antivigilante |
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| 08:27.14 | antivigilante | less quit on me trying to search :/ |
| 08:27.29 | antivigilante | ok how do you force lines? |
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| 08:27.51 | unkmar | force lines? |
| 08:28.32 | unkmar | grep -A 20 "find me" |
| 08:28.40 | cast | antivigilante: fold |
| 08:28.40 | unkmar | That will show 20 lines after find me. |
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| 08:29.07 | antivigilante | what about before |
| 08:29.14 | unkmar | -B |
| 08:29.17 | cast | antivigilante: be careful your search term doesn't cross a fold, |
| 08:29.24 | antivigilante | oh cool |
| 08:29.29 | antivigilante | fold? |
| 08:29.29 | cast | antivigilante: though you still haven't said what you're doing. |
| 08:29.32 | unkmar | a fold? |
| 08:29.35 | cast | fold (1) - wrap each input line to fit in specified width |
| 08:29.47 | cast | ...i'm just going to do my own thing |
| 08:29.56 | cast | wanders away |
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| 08:30.10 | antivigilante | i am trying to recover the post i lost |
| 08:30.28 | unkmar | I haven't tried -n |
| 08:30.50 | cast | oh, just use egrep |
| 08:31.03 | antivigilante | egrep? |
| 08:31.05 | unkmar | sweet, -n shows the line numbers. |
| 08:31.16 | cast | might be faster if you pipe through strings first, dunno, grep is pretty fast |
| 08:31.30 | antivigilante | okie |
| 08:31.35 | antivigilante | will report results |
| 08:32.03 | cast | egrep (1) - print lines matching a pattern |
| 08:32.30 | cast | in future just type 'whatis cmd' rather than asking me |: |
| 08:32.33 | classical | rndc reload fail on my dns server it says rndc: 'reload' failed: failure where is logs to diagnostic the problem ? |
| 08:32.33 | BlackFate | unkmar, its a binary.. you cant expect it to have new lines |
| 08:33.20 | unkmar | BlackFate: good point. |
| 08:33.20 | BlackFate | classical, cat /var/log/daemon.log |
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| 08:34.18 | unkmar | I wouldn't worry too much about the fold if he used several img tags. He might be able to find it that way. |
| 08:34.35 | unkmar | or if you used one word several times. search for it. |
| 08:34.41 | liran | im looking for Socks4 or 5 server application for debian 5 |
| 08:34.57 | antivigilante | anyway to get a progress indicator for the search? |
| 08:35.00 | classical | BlackFate, thanks :-) |
| 08:35.05 | BlackFate | classical, np |
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| 08:35.13 | Husaini | how to meet deb devel member ? |
| 08:35.29 | unkmar | or search once with one prime number and then again with another. like, 91, and 101. |
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| 08:37.31 | jelly | antivigilante: pv ? |
| 08:38.44 | liran | anyone ?? |
| 08:39.25 | antivigilante | hmm |
| 08:39.44 | BlackFate | liran, ssh can do it |
| 08:39.51 | antivigilante | ok is there a hexeditor that can look at a view rather than the whole thing |
| 08:40.00 | liran | BlackFate how ? |
| 08:40.31 | classical | BlackFate, there is nothing about rndc reload failure i grep /var/log/damon.log with tail grep "reload" grep "rndc" grep "failed" but seems there is nothing to print out :-( |
| 08:40.35 | cast | antivigilante: with cstream or pv and grep you may be able to retrieve your post, presuming its a contigious lump of ASCII |
| 08:40.59 | cast | antivigilante: cstream provides a progress bar, [e]grep will print out your post with the right RE |
| 08:41.03 | BlackFate | liran, ssh -D port user@host . and after you ssh to a machine.. use proxy sock5: localhost and port the port u set with -D |
| 08:41.09 | BlackFate | liran, ssh tunneling |
| 08:41.23 | antivigilante | cstream is part of apt repo or |
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| 08:42.17 | liran | BlackFate I dont need SOCKS only for ssh |
| 08:42.44 | BlackFate | liran, ssh is the tunnel... and it tunnels all your traffic... |
| 08:42.56 | tgreer | morning all... I have a PCMCIA <> PCI Bridge in my machine... I have a GSM card in it, however I cannot seem to access the card... looking through dmesg it doesnt appear to getister as a serial port... any suggestions? |
| 08:43.24 | liran | BlackFate but I want to use it with other applications, utorrent dont know how to SSH |
| 08:43.25 | BlackFate | liran, you just initiate a ssh connection... and you user localhost:port as your proxy server |
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| 08:43.38 | BlackFate | luse* |
| 08:43.40 | BlackFate | use** |
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| 08:44.08 | BlackFate | liran, you can... with anything you like... a simple "man ssh" will enlighten you |
| 08:44.15 | unkmar | antivigilante: yes there is, but Um... the only ones I /knew/ of where in winders. Probably would work with wine. and I am sure that linux has something to do it. I'm just not sure what. |
| 08:44.34 | BlackFate | classical, you use bind? |
| 08:44.44 | classical | BlackFate, yep bind9 :-) |
| 08:44.57 | BlackFate | classical, /var/log/daemon.log not damon |
| 08:45.00 | classical | 9.3.4-2etch6 |
| 08:45.13 | BlackFate | classical, how do you type your rndc command? |
| 08:45.55 | classical | BlackFate, yep i write daemon |
| 08:46.03 | classical | BlackFate, rndc reload |
| 08:46.21 | BlackFate | classical, just that? rndc reload <domain> |
| 08:46.34 | classical | BlackFate, yes rndc reload only |
| 08:48.15 | BlackFate | classical, do you have your rndc.key ? |
| 08:49.33 | classical | BlackFate, yes i have and rndc reload worked just fine 2 days ago |
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| 08:50.31 | BlackFate | classical, try rndc reconfig |
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| 08:51.00 | ThisNicknameIsnt | tgreer, which brand is the card? |
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| 08:51.35 | classical | BlackFate, it does not solve the problem :-( |
| 08:52.30 | cast | is there any point to creating a partition if i'm just going to use the entire disk for one mdadm volume |
| 08:52.37 | liran | damn I cant find in google one socks server to download |
| 08:52.43 | ironmunk | I am having a strange issue where external traffic is periodically being blocked by a host, when I connect to the service again from a host on the local network the services start working again externally |
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| 08:54.48 | tgreer | ThisNicknameIsnt: I've tried a Ubinetics GC201 and a Merlin U530 |
| 08:55.22 | ironmunk | I am not running any firewall on the machine, only ssh and proftpd with mod_sftp |
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| 08:55.40 | ironmunk | is there any way these two could be interfering with each other? |
| 08:56.12 | tgreer | ThisNicknameIsnt: they just dont seem to register as serial ports... its not the pcmcia bridge.. as i put a wirless card in and it worked fine |
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| 08:57.41 | ThisNicknameIsnt | tgreer, perhaps try the gcom (lenny) or comgt (newer) package |
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| 09:06.05 | tgreer | ThisNicknameIsnt: [ 12.092718] pcmcia: registering new device pcmcia0.0 |
| 09:06.05 | tgreer | [ 12.092884] pcmcia: registering new device pcmcia0.1 |
| 09:06.11 | tgreer | thats all I get from dmesg |
| 09:06.19 | tgreer | cant seem to connect to it with gcom |
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| 09:10.08 | tgreer | ThisNicknameIsnt: it just doesnt appear to be registering as a serial port |
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| 09:12.16 | ThisNicknameIsnt | tgreer, i'm afraid that's the limit of my knowledge on the subject |
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| 09:13.58 | ThisNicknameIsnt | tgreer, I myself did a ls -l /dev to two different files when the card was and wasn't plugged in and then diffed them to find out which ttys* it chose |
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| 09:15.00 | jelly | tgreer: I don't know how 16bit, pcmcia cards work these days. 32bit cardbus (often gold plated) look just like any other PCI |
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| 09:17.27 | tgreer | ThisNicknameIsnt: it appeart ttyS1 changes when i insert/remove the card |
| 09:18.00 | jelly | tgreer: is pcmciautils installed? It may provide documentation. |
| 09:18.20 | ThisNicknameIsnt | tgreer, did you try pointing gcom to it? |
| 09:19.12 | tgreer | ThisNicknameIsnt: yes i did |
| 09:19.29 | tgreer | jelly: yes it is |
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| 09:21.26 | tgreer | how would i put the following into debian: PCIC=i82365 |
| 09:21.27 | tgreer | PCIC_OPTS="irq_mode=0 pci_csc=0 poll_interval=100" |
| 09:25.13 | tgreer | ThisNicknameIsnt: as per : http://www.elandigitalsystems.com/support/pfaq/plinux.php |
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| 09:26.20 | stockholm | how can i use find to find all instances of where i have only one file with a given name in a directory? |
| 09:28.14 | cast | stockholm: sure. with sort|uniq |
| 09:28.25 | cast | stockholm: wait...ignore that |
| 09:29.02 | cast | makes note to not read every second word |
| 09:29.50 | tgreer | think i got it |
| 09:29.52 | tgreer | hold on |
| 09:30.12 | tgreer | WOOHOOOO!!!! |
| 09:30.31 | tgreer | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/79398/comments/14 << fixed it |
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| 09:30.53 | ThisNicknameIsnt | tgreer, great1 |
| 09:30.56 | tgreer | seems it was the pmccia bridge |
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| 09:51.14 | sylar | hi, I have one use with flash10 on his epiphany and another with the other flash |
| 09:51.31 | sylar | anyone remember where the flash plugin is defined? |
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| 09:52.29 | antivigilante | it wasn't in the core dump but |
| 09:52.42 | antivigilante | swap files never get cleared! |
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| 09:56.46 | antivigilante | one other option: raid the firefox CACHE! |
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| 10:09.30 | tgreer | sigh |
| 10:09.37 | tgreer | now the modem wont register on the network.. |
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| 10:13.57 | tuv | is there a way to have multipll programs output audio to spdif at once? (pcm audio, not encoded surround audio) |
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| 10:15.32 | HackeMate | where is the 'Delete' key on macbook pro keyboard? |
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| 10:16.20 | HackeMate | fn+backspace, thanks |
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| 10:21.44 | Hail_Spacecake | I'm running an old copy of etch that hasn't been updated in probably years and can't fetch packages anymore |
| 10:22.06 | Hail_Spacecake | is there a mirror from which I can download so I can upgrade to the last version of etch so I can upgrade from that to whatever 5.0 is called? |
| 10:23.11 | Kvant | etch is archived on http://archive.debian.org |
| 10:23.58 | Hail_Spacecake | so what line do I need to add to my sources.list? |
| 10:24.13 | Hail_Spacecake | currently the only line there is |
| 10:24.13 | Hail_Spacecake | http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ |
| 10:24.25 | Hail_Spacecake | er, deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ etch main |
| 10:25.08 | Hail_Spacecake | I'm not sure what all of those enteries do. can I just switch the url? |
| 10:25.41 | Kvant | something like this should work: deb http://archive.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free |
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| 10:26.02 | Hail_Spacecake | where are the different options you can pass in on that line documented? |
| 10:26.17 | toe | hi all. is there any way to choose an alternative loginshell while not yet logged in? |
| 10:27.24 | toe | i tried to change my standard shell to zsh via chsh but i guess i had a typo or something in the path/to/zsh |
| 10:28.37 | Kvant | Hail_Spacecake, if you're referring the contrib and non-free, try: "/msg dpkg contrib" and "/msg dpkg non-free" |
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| 10:29.44 | antivigilante | are we getting firefox 4 soon? |
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| 10:31.49 | Hail_Spacecake | Kvant, I mean in general, what sorts of options can I put on that line besides the url and what do they do? |
| 10:32.07 | Kvant | try: man sources.list |
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| 10:34.56 | Kvant | also you could try: /msg dpkg etch sources.list |
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| 10:36.56 | Hail_Spacecake | what is dpkg and why does it only ever assert that someone said something rather than stating something outright? |
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| 10:37.23 | Kvant | dpkg is a bot, it doesn't have opinions of itself :P |
| 10:37.24 | dpkg | Kvant: bugger all, i dunno |
| 10:37.34 | petemc_ | its a bot,and it depends how the factoid was given to it |
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| 10:37.44 | ward| | how do i get debootstrap on a non-debian mips linux system please? |
| 10:37.52 | ward| | and is it ok if the system only uses uclibc... ? |
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| 10:39.53 | classical | i have the same error |
| 10:39.54 | classical | http://www.howtoforge.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38391 |
| 10:40.04 | classical | can anybody help me ? |
| 10:40.59 | ward| | you configured it right? |
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| 10:41.40 | fred | Hi; I'm wanting ruby 1.9.1 on lenny - I've seen it's on backports, however, I can't seem to find rubygems for 1.9.1 - what am I missing? |
| 10:41.41 | classical | ward|, yep secret key is the same in named config |
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| 10:42.20 | ward| | dunno then never used it |
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| 10:44.35 | ward| | classical, http://www.kriyayoga.com/love_blog/post.php/700 |
| 10:44.42 | ward| | follow that if you didn't yet |
| 10:44.56 | ward| | but read what it does first it will generate a new key |
| 10:46.37 | classical | ward|, okay dude thx :-) |
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| 10:52.34 | boywonder | hi can anyone help me out please with trying to live media boot? |
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| 10:53.52 | boywonder | any help at all would be much appreciated? |
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| 10:56.27 | sweetpi | boywonder: maybe you should explain your problem, and give version info |
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| 11:01.59 | groton | what is the number a media is automounted to /media/longalphanumber in kernel 2.6.32? |
| 11:02.37 | joltcan | groton: Probably an UUID, but I'm not sure since I don't use that |
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| 11:03.47 | joltcan | groton: Like the output of blkid? |
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| 11:10.20 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps |
| 11:10.35 | Eryn_1983_FL | question whats the eqsiest way to upgrade from etch to lenny 5? |
| 11:10.48 | Eryn_1983_FL | can i do a dist upgrade or just change my sources? |
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| 11:12.56 | liran | is there a good app for remote control other than VNC? |
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| 11:13.58 | classical | liran, ssh |
| 11:14.08 | liran | i mean for GUI classical... |
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| 11:15.44 | spacepluk | there is that m$ protocol which rdesktop uses, but I don't know if there's a free server |
| 11:15.48 | classical | liran, ssh has a Gui ssh -i username@host |
| 11:16.39 | petemc_ | liran: nx is decent |
| 11:16.42 | liran | spacepluk give me the name of the app please |
| 11:16.49 | spacepluk | rdesktop |
| 11:16.52 | liran | classical I need to connect to my server through windows |
| 11:17.01 | spacepluk | is the client |
| 11:17.18 | liran | I need to server spacepluk |
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| 11:18.06 | liran | to=the |
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| 11:20.48 | classical | liran, ah im sorry not ssh -i ssh -X ssh -X user@localhost it will fetch all foo to display GEDIT for example |
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| 11:24.17 | boywonder | what is noswap in menu.lst |
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| 11:24.20 | boywonder | ? |
| 11:24.54 | OpenTokix | liran, classical: also nice to att -C for compression, when you use x-forwarding. |
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| 11:31.27 | antivigilante | note to self - when recovering lost info don't try to be clever - it's in the firefox folder |
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| 11:33.32 | biggzl | Hello there. I'm having an issue where df says the disk is full but du-ing all the root directories doesn't sum up even to half of partition size. I don't have all inodes full as well. |
| 11:33.43 | biggzl | Any hints on the matter? |
| 11:36.06 | cast | open files take up space |
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| 11:36.40 | cast | did you du as root, also |
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| 11:37.22 | abrotman | biggzl: show us the 'df' in a pastebin |
| 11:37.36 | tuv | is there a way to have multipll programs output audio to spdif at once? (pcm audio, not dolby or dts) |
| 11:39.47 | cast | you may have also hidden files under a mount point |
| 11:39.57 | jelly | tuv: many programs -> pulseaudio -> alsa/spdif output? |
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| 11:41.54 | cast | wishes mc had 3 panes |
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| 11:42.35 | jelly | cast: open 1.5 mcs? |
| 11:42.44 | jelly | stereo mcs? |
| 11:44.00 | biggzl | abrotman, cast: http://pastie.org/1141274 |
| 11:44.46 | abrotman | so your / is full |
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| 11:45.26 | cast | /opt big enough? |
| 11:45.32 | biggzl | abrotman, so it claims |
| 11:45.50 | biggzl | But I can tell you it's nowhere close to that |
| 11:46.05 | abrotman | biggzl: du -sh /* ? |
| 11:46.10 | biggzl | Oh, cast - I'm the one who you talked to about that LUN exporting and iscsi crap :) |
| 11:46.15 | biggzl | Was playing around too much it seems |
| 11:46.16 | cast | ahh |
| 11:46.21 | biggzl | abrotman, doing it as we speak |
| 11:46.28 | cast | abrotman: don't forget /.* |
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| 11:47.17 | abrotman | he can just tell us if there are any . files |
| 11:47.27 | biggzl | abrotman, http://pastie.org/1141276 |
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| 11:47.37 | biggzl | No .files |
| 11:47.38 | biggzl | :< |
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| 11:48.49 | abrotman | /bin is 5MB ? |
| 11:49.02 | cast | btw, wth is overflow for /tmp? |
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| 11:49.03 | abrotman | i guess so |
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| 11:49.24 | abrotman | biggzl: can this system be easily rebooted ? |
| 11:49.26 | cast | abrotman: curious, mines 4.3, was expecting that to be bigger... |
| 11:49.31 | biggzl | cast, when the partition where /tmp is mounted full, it's automatically created |
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| 11:49.39 | biggzl | abrotman, sure, with ease |
| 11:49.46 | biggzl | But I've done that for about 5-10 times today |
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| 11:49.48 | cast | biggzl: thats pretty cool, presumably the kernel does? |
| 11:49.51 | biggzl | _today_, since 9am |
| 11:49.52 | abrotman | biggzl: touch /forcefsck && reboot |
| 11:49.57 | cast | biggzl: there anything interesting in logs? |
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| 11:50.12 | abrotman | biggzl: you may have file system errors |
| 11:50.19 | biggzl | cast, logs empty |
| 11:50.24 | biggzl | I'll try abrotmans suggestion now |
| 11:50.35 | abrotman | (though this will also close any open files) |
| 11:50.37 | biggzl | Simply doing touch /forcefsck is what I need to do abrotman? |
| 11:50.40 | biggzl | First time seeing this |
| 11:50.44 | abrotman | biggzl: sure |
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| 11:51.14 | biggzl | Awesome |
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| 11:51.47 | tuv | jelly: is pulseaudio installed by default in squeeze/gnome? |
| 11:52.04 | jelly | tuv: why, I _think_ it is, both installed and running. |
| 11:52.32 | jelly | tuv: confirm by checking for a running pulseaudio process |
| 11:53.01 | tuv | jelly: i have a fresh squeeze/gnome install. no pulseaudio. is the pulseaudio package all i need? |
| 11:53.46 | jelly | tuv: I think the nice GUI configuration tools to route output might be in a different package |
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| 12:00.14 | biggzl | Didn't help, abrotman, cast |
| 12:00.25 | abrotman | still showing full ? |
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| 12:08.52 | biggzl | abrotman, yes |
| 12:09.31 | abrotman | biggzl: do you have any large logs in /var/log/ |
| 12:09.46 | krion | enlarge your /var/log/ |
| 12:09.46 | biggzl | abrotman, you know I don't...I posted the size of /var :x |
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| 12:10.06 | abrotman | biggzl: i would say to look anyways |
| 12:10.29 | biggzl | abrotman, look what? |
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| 12:12.36 | biggzl | abrotman, could you plese remind me what should I check? |
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| 12:13.22 | abrotman | you're just looking for a very large log in /var/log/ |
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| 12:14.48 | biggzl | abrotman, http://pastie.org/1141307 |
| 12:14.49 | biggzl | None really |
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| 12:17.30 | sniperjo | has anyone heard of someone successfully putting a full distro on a linux picture frame like the HP DreamScreen 100 ? |
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| 12:23.04 | brendan-k | hello everybody |
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| 12:23.44 | biggzl | abrotman, cast..I'm just...lost |
| 12:23.59 | biggzl | I might fucked it up with udev rules I was testing |
| 12:24.02 | biggzl | But it's really wierd |
| 12:24.13 | biggzl | Also, the rules are gone for quite some time now |
| 12:24.24 | cast | biggzl: hmm, is there anything under /tmp? |
| 12:24.32 | biggzl | cast, empty, completly |
| 12:24.50 | cast | biggzl: is /tmp on /? |
| 12:25.00 | biggzl | cast, it usualy is, yes |
| 12:25.07 | biggzl | When overflow doesn't jump in |
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| 12:25.37 | cast | so could there be something in /tmp under the overflow mount? |
| 12:25.43 | sniperjo | Would it be possible to flash the modded linux on a HP DreamScreen 100 and put another distro on it ? |
| 12:26.04 | biggzl | cast, I'll umount it |
| 12:26.29 | biggzl | cast, nope, only a file of size 0 called .clean |
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| 12:26.55 | jelly | sniperjo: uh... do you know the architecture inside that embedded system? |
| 12:27.16 | sniperjo | jelly: its comes with a modded version of ubuntu |
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| 12:27.22 | sniperjo | jelly: ARM i think |
| 12:27.55 | cast | biggzl: hmm, i'd be tempted to boot off debian-live and mount the fs there and investigate |
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| 12:28.17 | cast | biggzl: then if you still had no idea, tar it up, mkfs again, then untar |
| 12:28.20 | biggzl | cast, if I'd only know what to investigate |
| 12:28.46 | biggzl | Right |
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| 12:28.54 | tuv | jelly: just installing pulseaudio seems to do the trick, as long as client programs output to pulse instead of alsa directly |
| 12:29.07 | biggzl | But there's something that bothers me - how did I manage to do that |
| 12:29.17 | biggzl | In case of this happening again or this being a bug to report.. |
| 12:29.25 | cast | biggzl: what fs is it? |
| 12:29.30 | biggzl | ext3 |
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| 12:29.44 | AlexC_ | how can I see if I have anything installed from 'contrib' or 'nonfree'? |
| 12:29.50 | cast | a bug seems unlikely, though not impossible |
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| 12:30.17 | BlackFate | AlexC_, synaptic is one way |
| 12:30.48 | AlexC_ | BlackFate: headless server, CLI only |
| 12:31.07 | sniperjo_ | jelly: sorry, ive got a bit of a dodgy internet connection |
| 12:31.37 | biggzl | cast, what would be the mkfs procedure in case of me doing this? |
| 12:32.07 | cast | backup existing files elsewhere, mkfs, restore files |
| 12:32.11 | biggzl | tar / except /opt on /opt drive, then mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda1, then untar /opt/backup.tar on /dev/sda1 |
| 12:32.31 | cast | check if /etc/fstab uses uuids, too |
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| 12:33.31 | AlexC_ | for package in $(dpkg -l | awk '{print $2}'); do apt-cache policy $package | grep "contrib"; done I guess this would find out if any packages have been installed from 'contrib'? But as it returns nothing I can only assume A) my script does not work B) I don't have anything installed from contrib |
| 12:33.44 | AlexC_ | could someone run that command (who knows they have contrib packages installed) to confirm? |
| 12:33.49 | biggzl | cast, nope, doesn't |
| 12:34.17 | sniperjo | jelly: sorry, internet connection is abit dodgy! |
| 12:34.35 | tuv | mplayer seems to have broken vbr mp3 length detection. is there another command line player that can be controlled by the keyboard? |
| 12:35.05 | jelly | sniperjo: you'll probably want to ask in an arch-specific channel. if it's really an arm, /msg dpkg arm |
| 12:35.29 | cast | tuv: cplay is nice, though it uses ncurses and the full screen |
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| 12:36.54 | tuv | cast: does it have fine-grained forward/backward (left and right arrows in mplayer) ? |
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| 12:37.52 | cast | tuv: dunno the grainuality, but it has it |
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| 12:41.00 | ttiicc | If I would like to create a firewall with my debian comp which framework would you guys reccomend me to use? |
| 12:41.31 | cast | i like shorewall |
| 12:41.32 | tuv | tries out cplay |
| 12:41.33 | abrotman | iptables? |
| 12:41.46 | tuv | likes shorewall too. another reason to try cplay ;) |
| 12:41.54 | cast | wonders if pf works w/ kfreebsd |
| 12:42.57 | ttiicc | I know redhat got smoothwall and ipcop, could I use these with debian? or any other debian specific which I could use? |
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| 12:43.58 | MrJK | Hi |
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| 12:44.45 | MrJK | I wanted to know if I could create my own no-ip server: there is some OS solutions, or must I use mo-ip.com or dyndns.com ? |
| 12:44.56 | MrJK | there is/are |
| 12:46.04 | Ox1 | i don't know what you want to know... |
| 12:46.13 | BlackFate | AlexC_, found something... # apt-get install vrms.. :P its kinda silly... but works |
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| 12:47.16 | ttiicc | so I could turn my old pc into a router with shorewall? |
| 12:47.42 | BlackFate | ttiicc, anything can turn your pc into router... |
| 12:47.43 | Ox1 | iptables ftw |
| 12:48.21 | abrotman | AlexC_: BlackFate : aptitude search '~i~snon-free' .. for example |
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| 12:54.31 | ttiicc | ok guys thanks for your supplies, I'll start dig into the documentation |
| 12:54.55 | tuv | ttiicc: aren't smoothwall and ipcop distributions rather than packages? if you're looking for a distribution, check out pfsense :) |
| 12:55.04 | tuv | ttiicc: although it's not debian-based |
| 12:55.32 | tuv | are there any such debian-based firewall distributions? |
| 12:55.42 | BlackFate | <- apt-get junkie |
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| 13:12.14 | AlexC_ | abrotman: a ha, thanks - I'll try that |
| 13:12.54 | abrotman | AlexC_: there is a way to do both at the same time .. but i didn't feel like figuring it out :) |
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| 13:21.45 | boywonder | Eryn you woundnt know about unable to find live media would you? |
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| 13:38.12 | djszapi | debootstrap lenny /media/debian/ http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian |
| 13:38.13 | djszapi | E: Couldn't work out current architecture |
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| 13:38.17 | djszapi | what do I do wrong ? |
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| 13:41.12 | hdd | Hello, I have got a short question: I want to prevent phpmyadmin access except from an ssh tunnel. phpmyadmin runs on a seperate http server on port 4563. How do I block access to that port (except from localhost) and make an ssh tunnel from my machine to the phpmyadmin server? |
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| 13:42.19 | macrobat | djszapi: maybe debootstrap needs to know whether you want i386 or x86_64 or something |
| 13:42.48 | djszapi | http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap -> NOP, according to this describtion |
| 13:42.58 | djszapi | but I have already tried --arch=x86_64, it sucked. |
| 13:45.22 | djszapi | http://pastie.org/1141465 |
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| 13:48.25 | macrobat | djszapi: cat /proc/mounts how is /media/debian mounted? |
| 13:48.55 | macrobat | i mean, is it already? |
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| 14:09.59 | bolt-work | what do i install to get the command "g++4"? |
| 14:10.17 | dvs | g++ |
| 14:10.17 | bolt-work | some build scripts uses it, and i'm trying to get them to run on my box |
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| 14:11.05 | bolt-work | oh. right. i have g++-4.4, but the script looks for g++4 |
| 14:11.08 | bolt-work | bah |
| 14:11.09 | bolt-work | thanks |
| 14:11.13 | dvs | np |
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| 14:13.31 | ziarkaen | I have a problem with a headless server: about half of bootups get stuck at BIOS, half boot successfully. I have made a script that plays Beethoveen's fifth motif using "beep"s and "sleep"s and the plan is to have this play ASAP into Debian boot sequence to give me confirmation that boot has worked. Where is a simple, early place in the boot sequence this could be executed? (it will be run in BG) |
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| 14:13.55 | ziarkaen | I'm guessing "pcspk" LKM will have to be running. |
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| 14:18.05 | ali3n0 | hi guys. I'm wondering what's the best place to put iptables rules I want to call at boot time. I was used to edit /etc/init.d/networking but I guess there's a best way to do it |
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| 14:19.52 | djszapi | http://pastie.org/1141540 -> But this describtion writes it: http://www.scratchbox.org/documentation/user/scratchbox-1.0/html/installdoc.html |
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| 14:20.56 | bzed | ali3n0: use ferm |
| 14:22.10 | ali3n0 | bzed, cool thanks for the hint |
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| 14:32.30 | cantoma | guys, I installed pidgin from backport pakages .. I want now to revert to the default debian lenny ones. How it can be done? |
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| 14:37.49 | abrotman | judd: versions pidgin |
| 14:37.51 | judd | pidgin -- etch-backports: 2.4.3-4lenny5~bpo40+1; lenny: 2.4.3-4lenny7; lenny-security: 2.4.3-4lenny7; lenny-backports: 2.7.2-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.7.2-1; sid: 2.7.3-1 |
| 14:38.01 | abrotman | cantoma: aptitude install pidgin=2.4.3-4lenny7 |
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| 14:41.12 | cantoma | abrotman, that does the job |
| 14:41.19 | cantoma | abrotman, thanks |
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| 14:43.55 | sniperjo | does anyone know the minimum spec needed for vlc to play SD video ? |
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| 14:52.02 | tuv | it seems mplayer *can* detect correct vbr mp3 length, but with -demuxer lafv |
| 14:52.20 | tuv | oops.. -demuxer lavf |
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| 14:54.20 | Lint01 | could you please tell me some working debian mirror???? |
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| 14:55.43 | cantido | Lint01: ftp.debian.org |
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| 14:56.04 | cantido | sniperjo: what codec? |
| 14:56.36 | Lint01 | thanks! |
| 14:56.38 | cantido | sniperjo: Even really old video cards can accelerate MPEG2 |
| 14:56.38 | sniperjo | cantido: MPEG |
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| 14:57.43 | sniperjo | cantido: is that including interrogated graphics ? |
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| 15:05.04 | Guest25295 | hello Can someone help me with the moin moin wiki? There is a text behind an input on the standard user preferences Page and I don't know where to change it, because I can't see it when I click on edit. I asked in the moin moin irc, but it seems to be dead, thats why I ask here(sorry) It's quiet urgent.. |
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| 15:08.42 | qq- | !moin |
| 15:08.42 | dpkg | MoinMoin is a wiki engine written in Python with lots of nifty features. Packaged for Debian as python-moinmoin. http://moinmo.in/ #moin on irc.freenode.net. See also <editmoin>. |
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| 15:10.36 | noo | qq: I know that, but my Problem is that I have to make the changes on a wiki, which was setup by someone else. I was searching for quiet a while and couldn't find anything and the moin moin irc channel seems to be dead and it's urgent thats why I ask here. Maybe someone used it already and might be able ot help me? |
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| 15:14.49 | qq- | noo, see /msg dpkg editmoin |
| 15:15.27 | qq- | but , never used it |
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| 15:16.03 | noo | qq: what does the command do |
| 15:16.03 | noo | ? |
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| 15:17.16 | qq- | put it here and will see a message in dpkg channel |
| 15:17.25 | babilen | noo: Try it :) -- You might also want to take a look at http://moinmo.in/ -- You find documentation and (paid) support options |
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| 15:18.37 | noo | babilen: I did try it and theonly thing that happened is that there is an entry by dpkg which wrote editmoin.... I searched through the documentation and I couldn't find anything, thats why I'm here now :D |
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| 15:19.58 | noo | I was quiet sure that I will find a person in this channel that already used this wiki once.... :( |
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| 15:23.32 | jelly | you might find more people that use or have used an ikiwiki |
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| 15:28.40 | banditman | how to install kde4 from squeeze? tried apt-get install kde-minimal dont work |
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| 15:30.05 | abrotman | !install kde4 |
| 15:30.06 | dpkg | From squeeze onwards, "kde-standard" gets you the common set up, "kde-plasma-desktop" and "kde-plasma-netbook" provide minimal kde4 setups with respective flavouring, and "kde-full" installs everything kde4. For more details on metapackages, see http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html . Also read the topic in #debian-kde on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net). |
| 15:30.23 | ward| | how do i get debootstrap on a non-debian mips linux system please? |
| 15:30.37 | ward| | also it only has uclibx |
| 15:30.39 | ward| | uclibc |
| 15:31.19 | spo0nman | Hi ... is there a way to configure openvpn in server mode without using user auth. I want key based auth while using "server 192.168.10.0 255.255.255.0" directive |
| 15:31.28 | banditman | dpkg many thanks buddy :) |
| 15:31.28 | dpkg | banditman: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 15:31.37 | abrotman | banditman: dpkg is a bot |
| 15:31.57 | spo0nman | if i use secret secret.key ... I get the error "cannot use --server and --secret together" |
| 15:32.59 | banditman | kde is installing now as we speak cheers |
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| 15:40.25 | bint | if i go for "useradd anyone" how can i set a password for this user? |
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| 15:41.18 | unkmar | bint: sudo passwd thisuser |
| 15:41.28 | cahoot | man useradd? |
| 15:41.40 | unkmar | bint: as root you can change a persons password without knowing it. |
| 15:41.43 | petemc_ | use adduser |
| 15:41.55 | beardy | and its manual |
| 15:42.01 | unkmar | I agree, using adduser in debian is a better prospect. |
| 15:42.07 | bint | ahhhrgh i always forget about this MAN funciton thx |
| 15:43.14 | Ober7 | bint u can use "adduser" |
| 15:43.27 | Ober7 | it creates a home dir and asks for password |
| 15:43.46 | bint | kk thx |
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| 15:48.08 | shaboy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:48.45 | shaboy | anybody can help me? |
| 15:49.04 | unkmar | shaboy: what kinds of driver? maybe you need to copy the firmware folder over. |
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| 15:49.36 | shaboy | wireless Lan Adapter |
| 15:49.55 | unkmar | shaboy: lspci |
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| 15:50.12 | shaboy | I got a D-link DWA 542 |
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| 15:50.50 | unkmar | that still doesn't tell the generic chipset, but I guess I could look it up. |
| 15:51.23 | shaboy | i have already know chipset |
| 15:51.51 | abrotman | what is the chipset? |
| 15:52.36 | shaboy | ather0s ar5416 |
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| 15:52.59 | unkmar | i was just about to respond atheros based. |
| 15:53.18 | unkmar | isn't that supported in the newer kernels? |
| 15:53.26 | courpse | Humm, i've never known how to set s permission on a folder |
| 15:53.31 | abrotman | shaboy: ath5k .. you might need the backport kernel for it |
| 15:53.36 | abrotman | !permissions |
| 15:53.36 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions, or <qotd232> |
| 15:53.40 | courpse | Thanks. |
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| 15:55.15 | unkmar | shoots at google. |
| 15:55.31 | unkmar | shaboy: http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k |
| 15:55.47 | shaboy | but it can work in ubuntu10.04 |
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| 15:56.27 | unkmar | shaboy: ath5k is included in the mainline Linux kernel since 2.6.25 |
| 15:56.48 | abrotman | yes .. but the one in lenny has issues with some chipsets .. the BPO kernel would probably just work |
| 15:56.48 | shaboy | i have tried to install ath5k, but it still do not work |
| 15:56.55 | unkmar | I'm running 2.6.26 with my lenny. uname -a |
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| 15:57.04 | abrotman | or just keep ignoring me .. |
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| 15:58.19 | jelly | dpkg: ignore abrotman |
| 15:58.20 | dpkg | sticks his fingers in his ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, abrotman" |
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| 15:59.30 | shaboy | unkmar: thanks, I will try again tomorrow |
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| 16:00.08 | prizm | \ |
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| 16:01.32 | prizm | Is there a good guide of the text-mode installer's partitioner? |
| 16:01.48 | petemc_ | the install guide covers it |
| 16:01.58 | prizm | illustrated? |
| 16:02.06 | prizm | There is one for lenny, but it uses the gui installer |
| 16:02.24 | prizm | I want to do a dual-boot with Windows 98, and don't want to nuke my data |
| 16:02.54 | petemc_ | it shouldnt, but any partitioning of a disk has a certain risk |
| 16:03.24 | prizm | yeah |
| 16:03.33 | prizm | gonna do another defrag later today |
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| 16:03.59 | prizm | however, I would like an easy way to let debian installer shrink it at install debian in the new space |
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| 16:08.29 | petemc_ | prizm: the debian installer can do that, check the install guide |
| 16:08.42 | petemc_ | !ig |
| 16:08.42 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.6) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
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| 16:09.07 | prizm | it's a bit confusing though |
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| 16:09.32 | prizm | I'll also find one for ubuntu minimal, same procedure as debian with the alternate CD |
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| 16:11.02 | unkmar | Giles: you could use gparted from anyone of many distros. <cough>TinyCore</cough> |
| 16:11.41 | unkmar | I really like my debian but tinycore is well, superfast to boot and has almost nothing useful until you download it. :D |
| 16:11.48 | NotPrizm | I love tinycore |
| 16:11.51 | NotPrizm | and have tried it here |
| 16:12.05 | NotPrizm | but it's not good for an HD install |
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| 16:13.27 | fxiny | it can beat trinux :P |
| 16:14.13 | unkmar | I haven't tried trinux out yet. So many distros, so little time. Look another 3 distros were created in the last 3 minutes. ( LOL ) |
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| 16:15.04 | fxiny | and crk |
| 16:15.56 | beardy | We don't care. |
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| 16:16.28 | fxiny | we ? ypu and the pope ? |
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| 16:18.12 | xand | you and your mom. |
| 16:18.43 | Infin1ty | "is not an official Debian package, cannot display its changelog." is there a way to change this behavior? (aptitude changelog on lenny-backports) |
| 16:18.46 | amphi | fxiny: your mother's the pope? |
| 16:19.09 | fxiny | amphi: heheh , too many 5th columnists ;) |
| 16:19.25 | amphi | fxiny: I thought the cardinals put their hands up the pope's skirt on election, to avoid that sort of thing *cough* pope joan *cough* |
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| 16:19.42 | ennesimo | !list |
| 16:19.42 | dpkg | ennesimo: VATTENE VIA! |
| 16:19.57 | fxiny | amphi: :) |
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| 16:22.22 | f0ner00t | Hello : I am running the current verison of Debian, I have an wirless connection my wireless connection connects but I cannot ping the internal lan or surf the internet why? |
| 16:22.25 | lunitik | Does D-I support using btrfs for / and /home currently (probably not applicable to stable, but the testing installer at least) ? |
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| 16:24.14 | cusco | hi.... |
| 16:24.20 | cusco | rm -r returns Requested fill size "/home/pie-treated/GrupoPIE" is invalid |
| 16:24.23 | cusco | what does that mean? |
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| 16:28.16 | cusco | rm -r returns: Requested fill size "/home/pie-treated/GrupoPIE" is invalid |
| 16:28.20 | cusco | why ??? |
| 16:29.20 | jimpy | what filesystem are you using? |
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| 16:31.50 | hatta | quick question, how do I determine what filesystem is on a partition? |
| 16:32.01 | hatta | it mounts with vfat, but that doesn't tell me whether it's fat16 or fat32 |
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| 16:32.29 | fxiny | type mount |
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| 16:33.30 | hatta | yeah, I did that it just says "type vfat" |
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| 16:33.57 | fxiny | fdisk -l |
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| 16:34.27 | f0ner00t | Hello. I have a wireless connection that I can connect to but I cannot connect to the internet nor ping the local lan. I am using Network-Manager. Can someone assist? |
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| 16:35.36 | beardy | hatta: It does. vfat is fat32. |
| 16:36.01 | hatta | oh ok, I thought vfat did both |
| 16:36.03 | hatta | thanks |
| 16:36.16 | beardy | No problem. |
| 16:36.26 | alcy | f0ner00t, if you can't ping the local lan, then you are probably not connected. |
| 16:36.36 | xand | that's not quite true, beardy |
| 16:36.59 | xand | vfat is fat that supports long file names |
| 16:36.59 | ward| | f0ner00t, do you use a static IP ? |
| 16:37.03 | xand | which isn't the same as fat32 |
| 16:37.07 | unkmar | or some of those systems on the lan may simply not respond to pings. but that is your lan, you should know. |
| 16:37.24 | unkmar | fat16 can do that... |
| 16:37.39 | f0ner00t | Ward: dhcp. |
| 16:37.57 | ward| | f0ner00t, so what does iwconfig say? |
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| 16:38.05 | ward| | (pastebin) |
| 16:38.07 | beardy | xand: Alright. |
| 16:38.08 | f0ner00t | alcy: I am connect I have an ip netmask gatwate etc. |
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| 16:38.52 | ward| | f0ner00t, ping something else, or try arp -a and see if that sees anything |
| 16:39.16 | f0ner00t | I will in a few mins.. Baby just woke up.... I will have to log into it.. |
| 16:39.53 | beardy | hatta: 'fdisk -l' will say, like already said. |
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| 16:41.18 | beardy | Actually that's not all true either. It will list the partition type. |
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| 16:41.56 | ward| | f0ner00t, also try ping 173.194.37.104 (google's ip) |
| 16:42.11 | ward| | ( f0ner00t, in case its jsut a dns problem) |
| 16:42.33 | unkmar | if it is dns he would still be able to ping based on ip. |
| 16:42.53 | ward| | unkmar, yes but it might be that he only tried to ping in his network, and outside only on hostnames |
| 16:42.55 | f0ner00t | i am connecting an wired connection and rebooting now |
| 16:43.01 | beardy | But in most cases it means that the partition really contains a filesystem of the listed partition type. |
| 16:43.10 | beardy | waits for further objections. |
| 16:43.23 | ward| | unkmar, stuff in his network might nt ping back, some routers dont do this by default |
| 16:43.29 | unkmar | f0ner00t: why reboot? |
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| 16:43.44 | ward| | and yeah lol why reboot :D |
| 16:43.54 | ward| | you dont even need o reboot windoze for that :p |
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| 16:44.24 | f0ner00t | unkmar: dusl boot |
| 16:44.28 | unkmar | ward|: Not since XP, but 98 was fickle that way. winipcfg tendted to lockup. |
| 16:44.28 | f0ner00t | brb |
| 16:44.42 | ward| | unkmar, ipconfig :p |
| 16:46.03 | ward| | btw i asked if he had a static ip because network-manager (or what is it called, that thing in the upper gnome bar) used to or still does screw up with static ip's |
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| 16:46.18 | ward| | that applet think |
| 16:46.20 | ward| | thing |
| 16:46.25 | unkmar | ward|: Win98 used winipcfg. |
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| 16:46.42 | ewet | hi, is there a dtach for xorg? I'd like to detach skype because I'm using pidgin as a frontend.. |
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| 16:47.01 | ward| | unkmar, you can use both.. |
| 16:47.07 | ward| | but thats highly offtopic here |
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| 16:47.45 | beardy | ewet: You can throw it in some "tray" application. |
| 16:47.46 | hramrach | ewet: xvfb? |
| 16:48.40 | beardy | ewet: Or just minimize/iconize it, depends on the window manager. |
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| 16:49.18 | arosen | Hello, I'm does anyone know how I can get the vboxdrv if i'm running kernel 2.6.32-bpo.2-vserver-amd64 #1 SMP |
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| 16:49.29 | Helpeme | Hallo |
| 16:49.32 | Helpeme | kann mir einer helfen? |
| 16:49.35 | jelly-hme | .de |
| 16:49.39 | jelly-hme | !de |
| 16:49.39 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 16:49.43 | ksk | wth |
| 16:50.18 | Helpeme | okay |
| 16:50.30 | Helpeme | can me help anyone ? i have some problems with .htaccess |
| 16:50.33 | ksk | but you can also try it in here, if your able to describe your problem |
| 16:50.43 | Helpeme | okay |
| 16:50.51 | ksk | is there some "smart questions" trigger? |
| 16:50.52 | Helpeme | but my english isnt good but i try |
| 16:50.55 | ward| | lol unkmar , f0ner00t forgot he has no network acess in linux, so he cant come back :_D |
| 16:51.00 | ward| | :-D |
| 16:51.00 | ewet | beardy, it already does go into tray but I didn't want to see that either (I'll probably have to live with it though..) |
| 16:51.01 | Helpeme | !de |
| 16:51.01 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 16:51.20 | ewet | hramrach, sounds like I could work. |
| 16:51.32 | jelly-hme | arosen: that kernel is outdated. Install linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.5-vserver-amd64 and linux-headers-2.6.32-bpo.5-vserver-amd64 and boot the newer one |
| 16:52.32 | arosen | jelly-hme: Ah thank you sooo much I'm going to try this now |
| 16:52.37 | beardy | ewet: Unless the binary has some --background option or simillar, which I doubt, probably. |
| 16:55.48 | arosen | jelly-hme: now that i have booted to that kernel how do I get vboxdrv? |
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| 16:56.32 | jelly-hme | arosen: depends on whether you have virtualbox-ose or the non-free build installed |
| 16:57.02 | jelly-hme | I think both will try and do it automatically nowadays |
| 16:57.14 | arosen | jelly-hme: virtualbox-ose |
| 16:58.35 | jelly-hme | arosen: you'll probably want to install virtualbox-ose-dkms or use the m-a method on virtualbox-ose-source |
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| 16:58.51 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
| 16:59.20 | jelly-hme | arosen: this factoid will hopefully provide useful links: /msg dpkg vbox |
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| 17:00.23 | arosen | jelly-hme: i'll try dkms |
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| 17:01.47 | arosen | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:01.55 | arosen | dpkg vbox |
| 17:01.55 | dpkg | VirtualBox is a virtual machine solution. VirtualBox Open Source Edition (OSE) is packaged for Debian. To install, ask me about <vbox-install lenny>, <vbox-install bpo> or <vbox-install squeeze>. http://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/User_FAQ http://www.virtualbox.org/ #vbox on irc.freenode.net. See also <vbox manual>, <vbox guest-utils>, <vbox-ose vs vbox>, <vdi>, <virtualization>. |
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| 17:07.07 | dissidentss | I know this question is better left to #gdb but they haven't responded in over a day... maybe someone here can help me. :) |
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| 17:07.25 | dissidentss | I'm running a gdb command in bash and it works perfectly, but when running a system() call it doesn't work. |
| 17:07.36 | dissidentss | Is there some environment variables that need to be defined or something? |
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| 17:09.18 | fxiny | i use garlic and terminus everywhere :) |
| 17:09.25 | fxiny | oops |
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| 17:26.15 | johnfg | hi guys, and happy Labor Day from Montana! |
| 17:27.59 | johnfg | I've got things set up right so I can do remote desktop viewer to one of the systems on the subnet. |
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| 17:28.42 | johnfg | Is it possible to reach more than one system on the subnet? Will port forwarding alone allow that? Or do I have to do something else? |
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| 17:29.52 | johnfg | I tried to set up vpn, but haven't quite got it yet on the lenny side. |
| 17:30.16 | beardy | Sure. 50000 atleast. Just use another port. |
| 17:30.40 | hramrach | and the viewer needs to support non-standard ports |
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| 17:33.16 | johnfg | hramrach: Was that to me? |
| 17:33.39 | unkmar | johnfg: yes |
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| 17:34.49 | johnfg | unkmar: OK, I think I get what you're saying. At present, I'm using the standard 5500, 5800 & 5900. |
| 17:36.02 | johnfg | What goes in chap-secrets under secret? |
| 17:36.28 | unkmar | johnfg: that sounds like the default vnc ports. |
| 17:36.31 | johnfg | The non-encrypted password from the vpn client? I've looked, but can't find much about this. |
| 17:36.44 | johnfg | unkmar: exactly, and it's all I've got set up at present. |
| 17:37.03 | unkmar | you can use non standard ports with vnc with no problems. |
| 17:37.27 | unkmar | 5901, 5902, 5903.... |
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| 17:38.05 | unkmar | 59xx is the default server port numbers. 55xx is for the listener, if you use it. Most people don't. |
| 17:38.59 | unkmar | 58xx is the http web-based, java applet, interface. Which I detest but... whatever suits you. |
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| 17:40.16 | unkmar | there are a few ways you can do it. Depends on how smart your router is. |
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| 17:40.43 | unkmar | with a smart router, the setup on each PC is the same. |
| 17:41.12 | unkmar | You then tell the router to point 590x to 5900 of each PC. |
| 17:41.25 | unkmar | but dumber routers won't let you do that. |
| 17:42.05 | unkmar | With those, 590x must point to 590x. In that case you have to setup the vnc at the PC to serve at 590x. |
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| 17:42.30 | unkmar | the second method works will all reasonable routes. |
| 17:42.36 | unkmar | *routers |
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| 17:47.20 | mof | hi |
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| 17:47.42 | intgr | Should distclean also clean up config.log? |
| 17:47.57 | unkmar | mof: howdy |
| 17:48.11 | mof | hi unkmar |
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| 17:49.25 | johnfg | unkmar: Thanks. Will check back with you later. |
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| 17:52.30 | iudicium | distclean? As opposed to any of these? apt-get autoclean ; apt-get autoremove ; apt-get clean all |
| 17:53.49 | ribasushi | where do I find a list of all APT:: settings |
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| 17:54.03 | jelly-hme | ribasushi: man apt.conf ? |
| 17:54.06 | ribasushi | I need to change the http-timeout (if at all possible) |
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| 17:55.56 | project2501a | help! help! i am being oppressed! |
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| 17:56.41 | jelly-hme | now we see the violence inherent in the system |
| 17:56.50 | amphi | heh |
| 17:56.56 | project2501a | jelly-hme: XD |
| 17:57.01 | iudicium | :P |
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| 17:59.18 | iudicium | So, um, not to beat a dead horse but is an empty fstab the new way things will be in Debian Squeeze? |
| 17:59.43 | project2501a | empty fstab? |
| 18:00.27 | iudicium | I installed squeeze 2 times since yesterday and the /etc/fstab is empty |
| 18:00.44 | project2501a | mine is not empty man |
| 18:01.04 | petemc_ | iudicium: how did you install? |
| 18:01.05 | iudicium | yea for you :) |
| 18:01.15 | jhujhiti | does anyone have any recent numbers about network and disk i/o performance in kvm virtual machines? |
| 18:01.20 | project2501a | and fstab(3) says nothing about not using fstab |
| 18:01.27 | iudicium | I submitted a bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=595793 |
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| 18:02.13 | arosen | Hello, could anyone tell me what this kernel panic means? http://130.127.62.2/Screenshot-2.png |
| 18:02.16 | iudicium | I am fairly sure its a new fangled way that the docs didn't catch upto yet |
| 18:03.04 | iudicium | arosen: looks like bad mmeory chip |
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| 18:04.50 | arosen | iudicium: what makes you think that from the output? |
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| 18:06.02 | jelly-hme | arosen: the init process made a segmentation fault, this Shouldn't Happen |
| 18:06.02 | rvsjoen | nasty |
| 18:06.20 | rvsjoen | does init really do anything but nop anyway |
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| 18:06.34 | jelly-hme | arosen: buggy emulator? |
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| 18:06.46 | jelly-hme | arosen: bad OS image? |
| 18:06.47 | arosen | jelly-hme: Hmm you think it could be the virtualbox causing this? |
| 18:06.54 | arosen | jelly-hme: yea one or the other. |
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| 18:07.11 | iudicium | arosen: what scheduler you pick with the kernel? |
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| 18:07.23 | frotz47 | I agree with iudicium, bad memory |
| 18:07.38 | f0ner00t | Hello.. I did an Arp -a and got back ?192.168.1.254 @ arp [something on eth0] (this was wireed. Than I did ping to numerical google and got send message not autorized.. I am able to connect to my wired / wirless router but cannot surf the internet.. |
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| 18:08.06 | ward| | i want to run debootstrap on my mips machine, how do i get it working on the machine? also it only got uclibc |
| 18:08.17 | ward| | or is there any better place to ask this? |
| 18:08.28 | jelly-hme | !mips |
| 18:08.28 | dpkg | somebody said mips was (Million Instructions Per Second) This is a rating of how quickly a processor can process instructions. A processor rated at 100 MIPS can process 100,000,000 instructions per second. Also a port of linux to computers equiped with MIPS processors. Meaningless Indication of Processor Speed, or a processor commonly found in video game console systems, and some computers, for more information, join #mipslinux on irc.freenode.net. |
| 18:08.30 | f0ner00t | ward|: I was speaking to you before right? |
| 18:08.40 | ward| | f0ner00t, yeah |
| 18:09.05 | ward| | right before you rebooted into the debiuaninstallation you had no networking in :p |
| 18:09.06 | f0ner00t | ward|: I tried on a wired connection I cannot surf either but I get ip and everything.. Did you see my message above? |
| 18:09.11 | iudicium | this is a happy one chat room fits everyone :) |
| 18:09.25 | ward| | f00li5h, no, but see if its a dns problem |
| 18:09.35 | f0ner00t | ward|: How did you fix? |
| 18:09.38 | ward| | f0ner00t, also try ping 173.194.37.104 (google's ip) |
| 18:09.44 | ward| | thats what i said before |
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| 18:09.48 | ward| | see if that returns pings |
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| 18:10.29 | ward| | f0ner00t, also do you have to reboot every single time? it would be simpler if you would have an extra system to use for IRC |
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| 18:11.35 | ward| | f00li5h, ah sorry i now saw your mesage above |
| 18:11.43 | ward| | f0ner00t i mean |
| 18:12.12 | ward| | so you get "send message not autorized.." when you ping to google's ip? |
| 18:12.34 | f0ner00t | ward|: That is correct. |
| 18:12.38 | f0ner00t | and I was in su.. |
| 18:12.58 | ward| | you ont need to be superuser to use ping |
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| 18:13.17 | ward| | i never heard of that error though lol |
| 18:13.22 | ward| | is that the exact error you got? |
| 18:13.29 | ward| | mind the exact |
| 18:13.43 | f0ner00t | ward|: I know.. But I was just letting you know. send msg not authorized. |
| 18:13.50 | f0ner00t | was the exact error. |
| 18:13.59 | ward| | if you use ping? |
| 18:14.01 | ward| | :s |
| 18:14.08 | f0ner00t | Correct. When I use ping. |
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| 18:15.38 | ward| | this is weird lol |
| 18:16.04 | f0ner00t | Yea it is at some funk. |
| 18:16.24 | ward| | check with wireshark wtf is going on |
| 18:16.32 | ward| | or tcpdump |
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| 18:17.29 | flixil | Ok, my computer hangs randomly on linux even without X. Any ideas of what can it be? |
| 18:17.30 | f0ner00t | I do not think its going out.. |
| 18:17.30 | flixil | It works ok with windows and there is no problem with the ram. I don't see any trace in the computer logs, just a freeze (with the typical loop of the music). The temperature of the cpu is low <40ĀŗC and it's not overclocked. |
| 18:17.47 | ward| | f0ner00t, just check |
| 18:18.09 | ward| | f0ner00t, if you got a window manager use wireshark its really straightforward |
| 18:18.29 | ward| | see if it sees any packets, and what happens if you ping etc |
| 18:18.35 | ward| | i cant find that error message in google so... |
| 18:18.46 | ward| | this is the only thing left i can think of |
| 18:19.02 | ward| | you said before you use DHCP |
| 18:19.10 | ward| | and you also seem to get an ip, subnetmask and gateway |
| 18:19.32 | ward| | so there is definitely network traffic possible |
| 18:19.36 | f0ner00t | Thank you I think I find a solution |
| 18:19.36 | ward| | since DHCP seems to work |
| 18:19.42 | ward| | whats the solution? |
| 18:19.49 | f0ner00t | I will tell ya in a few |
| 18:19.52 | ward| | ok |
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| 18:21.51 | seicherlbob | how can i find out my Xserver version? (if it is below or above 7.0) |
| 18:22.04 | ward| | how do i get debootstrap on a non-debian mips linux uclibc system please? |
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| 18:23.17 | hramrach | isn't it packaged in the distro? it is in many |
| 18:24.08 | nyRednek | question, how to get debian installed from the DSL cd? |
| 18:24.20 | nyRednek | the debootstrap doesn't seem to work |
| 18:24.40 | fxiny | seicherlbob: Xorg -version |
| 18:24.41 | hramrach | it depends on the way it fails |
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| 18:25.09 | hramrach | it's a shell script but it needs some basic debian tools, obviously |
| 18:25.18 | seicherlbob | fxiny: it says 1.4.2 - shouldnt it be something like 6.8 or 7.2 or whatever? |
| 18:25.20 | nyRednek | hramrach: brb, going to log the failures |
| 18:25.43 | nyRednek | i know it tries to install and *old* version of debian |
| 18:26.06 | hramrach | supposedly it does not even need dpkg but it would probably need gpg and wget and cpio |
| 18:26.24 | nyRednek | hramrach: as i said, brb |
| 18:26.44 | ward| | hramrach, no its not :p |
| 18:26.51 | fxiny | seicherlbob: 1.4.2 is lenny |
| 18:26.59 | ward| | hramrach, this mips machine is a router |
| 18:27.22 | ward| | hramrach, i got a root shel on it but its a limited system of course, i got a full busybox for it though :) |
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| 18:27.56 | hramrach | does it have cpio? |
| 18:28.04 | seicherlbob | fxiny: i'm asking because the ATI drivers need a specific Xserver version above 6.7 |
| 18:28.52 | ward| | hramrach, im not sure |
| 18:28.59 | ward| | hramrach, how can i chekc ? |
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| 18:29.22 | hramrach | try to run it? |
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| 18:30.38 | ward| | hramrach, its in busybox right? |
| 18:30.57 | ward| | hramrach, i gota full busybox so then i got it :) |
| 18:31.25 | hramrach | I don't know and pretty much everything in busybox is optional anyway |
| 18:31.50 | ward| | well the busybox i got is everything enabled |
| 18:32.05 | ward| | according ot google its in there, so yes i should have it |
| 18:32.14 | r15 | hello, i lost my grub, i have netinstall image on usb, will that work to reinstall grub? |
| 18:32.19 | thewanderer1 | hramrach: is it a problem to get a Debian CD? |
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| 18:32.32 | thewanderer1 | r15: yes, use rescue mode if you have it there |
| 18:32.52 | hramrach | ward|: then you should be able to extract debian packages |
| 18:33.18 | ward| | hramrach, how do you mean ? |
| 18:33.22 | thewanderer1 | r15: if you don't have rescue mode, it is possible in normal install mode, just requires a bit more work |
| 18:33.24 | r15 | thewanderer1: i have debian-505-i386-netinst.iso |
| 18:33.26 | fxiny | seicherlbob: 6.7 is xorg release version |
| 18:33.34 | ward| | hramrach, i'm sorry i only got desktop experience, this is new for me |
| 18:33.54 | hramrach | ward|: do you have debootstrap already? |
| 18:33.59 | seicherlbob | fxiny: what do these 2 different versions mean? I mean how can i find out, what version is what? |
| 18:34.12 | ward| | hramrach, no but i could wget it it i suppose |
| 18:34.33 | hramrach | then try to wget some |
| 18:34.35 | thewanderer1 | ward|: isn't it easier for you to get a Debian chroot? |
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| 18:34.46 | ward| | hramrach, i need to get the good busybox on there before i can do this though |
| 18:34.55 | ward| | thewanderer1, thats the plan |
| 18:35.04 | thewanderer1 | ward|: download some suspicious Debian filesystem from the net and proceed from there |
| 18:35.08 | ward| | thewanderer1, i was thinking doing that with debootstrap |
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| 18:35.32 | ward| | thewanderer1, debootstrap is kindof made to create a fs |
| 18:35.45 | ward| | so why should i not use debootstrap for what its meant to do ? |
| 18:35.54 | thewanderer1 | ward|: I know, but you would need a Debian-like system, it seems |
| 18:36.01 | ward| | untrue |
| 18:36.08 | ward| | i read in the docs any linux should do |
| 18:36.22 | ward| | but since this is really specific i figured it was best to ask how to proceed first |
| 18:36.25 | thewanderer1 | so does it download dpkg and run it for you? if yes, good - just get the standard utils on your box |
| 18:36.44 | ward| | i will test in a bit, gotta copy the new busybox ,etc |
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| 18:36.53 | fxiny | seicherlbob: easy go to http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg . Xorg -version -> "Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org to make sure that you have the latest version" -> http://wiki.x.org/wiki/Other/Press |
| 18:36.58 | ward| | basically make the system ready (after a reboot my binaries are gone of cours) |
| 18:37.01 | thewanderer1 | actually, I would be doing this all on a Debian mips install in qemu... |
| 18:37.28 | ward| | thewanderer1, extra work :p |
| 18:37.36 | seicherlbob | fxiny: thank you very much! |
| 18:37.51 | f0ner00t | ward|: Either the iqmasq if overfull or their is an issue with the iptables |
| 18:37.53 | ward| | hramrach, i wanna take a little break first, i'll tell you when the system is ready to proceed if thats ok |
| 18:37.54 | fxiny | seicherlbob: np , of course wiki.debian.org explains better ;) |
| 18:38.25 | hramrach | ward|: try to get debootstrap in something other than .deb |
| 18:38.37 | ward| | f0ner00t, lol typical :p |
| 18:38.55 | ward| | hramrach, yeah i was thinking of the drc packet |
| 18:38.59 | ward| | package |
| 18:39.06 | f0ner00t | ward|: Yup just have to figue out how to fix now.. |
| 18:39.08 | ward| | SRC package i mean |
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| 18:39.29 | swerve | i'm installing on an old laptop |
| 18:39.29 | hramrach | so long as you have tar and gzip |
| 18:39.30 | ward| | f0ner00t, sorry cant help atm, goiugn for a break and then mess with my router |
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| 18:39.50 | swerve | i made the mistake of clicking "install desktop env." thinking it would let me choose |
| 18:39.56 | ward| | hramrach, i dont |
| 18:40.07 | bop | when running ati installer --buildpkg Debian/Tesing i got this error -> cp: cannot stat `/home/ngomes/Desktop/fglrx-install.AhTgsj/x710/*': No such file or directory ... any help ? |
| 18:40.07 | thewanderer1 | how does popularity-contest affect my apt-get performance? |
| 18:40.09 | swerve | now i can't stop it -what's it installing? KDE?? |
| 18:40.18 | hramrach | ward|: then it won't help you |
| 18:40.26 | hramrach | because the src is a tarball |
| 18:40.28 | thewanderer1 | swerve: GNOME is the default |
| 18:40.33 | swerve | ugh |
| 18:40.36 | f0ner00t | No problem ward| I got it via google. |
| 18:40.42 | f0ner00t | thanks beback |
| 18:40.43 | swerve | can i abort somehow? there's no button |
| 18:41.07 | thewanderer1 | swerve: you don't need to - just wait and you'll install something else soon |
| 18:41.13 | ward| | hramrach, yeah, whats the best way to do this then? |
| 18:41.18 | swerve | what do you mean? |
| 18:41.26 | swerve | i don't want all that gnome stuff installed |
| 18:41.34 | thewanderer1 | swerve: once GNOME is installed and you get Debian running, you can remove GNOME |
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| 18:41.52 | hramrach | ward|: it depends on your system. I don't know what you have available |
| 18:41.54 | ward| | hramrach, i could probably scp it if there's no more convenienat way (i would have to manually start an ssh server, after copying the binary etc) |
| 18:41.55 | thewanderer1 | you can manage packages and install/remove whatever you want |
| 18:42.04 | swerve | but it's going to take another 40 minutes just to install |
| 18:42.15 | jelly-hme | thewanderer1: [popcon] not at all, it's pretty much a cron job |
| 18:42.16 | ward| | hramrach, basically everything in busybox is about what i got |
| 18:42.26 | ward| | hramrach, also i should maybe tell you my goal |
| 18:42.28 | swerve | would like to abort and deselect that option |
| 18:42.41 | ward| | hramrach, the goal is to get a working system to chroot into (chroot is also in my busybox :) ) |
| 18:42.41 | RichiH-nonservic | hmm, when both reboot and shutdown -r now are being ignored, is there any other _save_ way to force a reboot? |
| 18:42.56 | hramrach | ward|: can't you get anything else? and does busybox not have tar? |
| 18:43.00 | ward| | hramrach, then i got apt-get stuff and use it, while keeping the router system completely seperate |
| 18:43.06 | jelly-hme | RichiH-nonservic: can you investigatw why/how they are being ignored? |
| 18:43.21 | thewanderer1 | swerve: try ctrl+C, and if that doesn't work, switch to console #2 (alt+F2) and issue "killall dpkg" or so, but that is solely your responsibility to prevent that from breaking anything in the system files |
| 18:43.40 | ward| | hram i dont think so, but you know what, i will check out what my options are when i get back from my break, and i'll report if thats ok |
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| 18:43.52 | RichiH-nonservic | jelly-hme: i can still access it via ssh, yes. earlier, a xfs mount crapped itself. said mount was exported via nfs |
| 18:43.52 | swerve | would almost be quicker to reinstall than wait for this |
| 18:43.52 | thewanderer1 | if you insist (also see process list - `ps aux` or just `ps`), it will just abort and let you choose again |
| 18:44.05 | RichiH-nonservic | i still have a flush hanging from that time |
| 18:44.10 | RichiH-nonservic | so i think that might be a factor |
| 18:44.13 | ward| | hramrach, sorry highlight went wrong |
| 18:44.14 | hramrach | ward|: yes, check waht you have |
| 18:44.16 | swerve | poor design - there should be a "cancel" or "go back" button, imo |
| 18:44.26 | cahoot | so? |
| 18:44.35 | bop | noone with ATI HD card ? :S |
| 18:44.36 | ward| | hramrach, ok man, i'll be back in a bit, i really really really need a smoke first lol |
| 18:44.46 | thewanderer1 | swerve: cancelling package manager's work is not a good idea until we have transactional APT support |
| 18:45.22 | swerve | it's still retrieving files, it should be easy for apt to know what to remove |
| 18:45.30 | thewanderer1 | so kill apt |
| 18:45.41 | swerve | that might work |
| 18:45.42 | thewanderer1 | you might have to remove some rubbish afterwards, though |
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| 18:45.55 | thewanderer1 | just kill it till it's dead so that you get a big fat error message |
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| 18:46.05 | swerve | i also selected "laptop" and would lose those utils probably |
| 18:46.14 | jelly-hme | RichiH-nonservic: so you have kernel/mountpoint issues that aren't likely to be solved. stop other services, umount other filesystems manually, then use sysrq to reboot |
| 18:46.26 | swerve | seems like at this point it's just better to wait |
| 18:46.35 | RichiH-nonservic | jelly-hme: exactly what i did not want to heart |
| 18:46.36 | swerve | hope that stuff comes off cleanly |
| 18:46.57 | swerve | the debian installer is quite nice otherwise |
| 18:46.59 | thewanderer1 | swerve: you'll like GNOME... unless you get a sane KDE release, that is :P |
| 18:47.07 | thewanderer1 | (KDE4 is not) |
| 18:47.12 | jelly-hme | RichiH-nonservic: what did you expect, a magic wand to fix a hung fs? :-) |
| 18:47.21 | swerve | dude, this is just a 6GB hd on a pc366/128 |
| 18:47.26 | RichiH-nonservic | to be honest, i would have preferred it, yes ;) |
| 18:47.29 | swerve | i really don't want gnome, lol |
| 18:47.44 | swerve | it'll take a week just to load it |
| 18:47.44 | RichiH-nonservic | great, it seems the mysql stop hangs, as well |
| 18:47.45 | cahoot | so remove it |
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| 18:47.52 | jelly-hme | RichiH-nonservic: dmesg / /var/log/kern.log might provide clues, but you already looked at that |
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| 18:48.35 | swerve | i think this is a case of the installer being a little TOO 'dumbed down' |
| 18:48.53 | cahoot | you should have choosen expert |
| 18:49.02 | swerve | optimum imo would be to allow sub-choices, to just install X, and then choice of DE, WM, etc. |
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| 18:49.18 | swerve | installer would not work in expert mode, some video issue |
| 18:49.28 | thewanderer1 | video issue in expert mode? O.o |
| 18:49.34 | thewanderer1 | do you mean GTK mode? |
| 18:49.38 | swerve | could only get graphical mode to work |
| 18:49.44 | swerve | something with the framebuffer, i think |
| 18:49.58 | swerve | it's an old laptop,and the graphic chip is a little flaky anyway |
| 18:50.09 | RichiH-nonservic | jelly-hme: yes, i did. here is what i saw, btw http://paste.debian.net/88210/ |
| 18:50.29 | hramrach | ward|: se the bottom of http://www.jwhitham.org.uk/c/debootstrap.html |
| 18:50.40 | seicherlbob | should i rather install fglrx via apt (non-free contrib) as mentioned here (http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#Lenny) or downloading and building manually as mentioned here (http://www.debianadmin.com/howto-install-ati-drivers-on-debian-5-lenny.html) |
| 18:51.08 | hramrach | .deb is an ar archive with tarballs inside so you definitely need tar and gzip |
| 18:51.26 | zirikili | Hi guys.... when I try to remove zabbix-server-mysql I always get "no type given for question at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Question.pm line 22, <GEN0> line 2." and a exit(1) after that. I have already used apt-get --purge remove but always I get the same error. Any help ? |
| 18:51.37 | thewanderer1 | seicherlbob: apt |
| 18:52.15 | seicherlbob | ok, then I just need a working xorg.conf - aticonfig --initial is not working with the mentioned minimal configuration from the wiki |
| 18:52.25 | thewanderer1 | X -configure |
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| 18:52.30 | thewanderer1 | then customize |
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| 18:53.26 | simonrvn | zirikili: sounds like a broken debconf templates |
| 18:53.32 | simonrvn | template* |
| 18:54.10 | zirikili | simonrvn: in fact, I dont know the reason. But I would like to remove it to install zabbix again. |
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| 18:55.48 | seicherlbob | thewanderer1: thanks |
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| 18:55.58 | seicherlbob | thewanderer1: its been a while since i needed to do that myself. |
| 18:56.06 | simonrvn | i just told you a likely reason ;). i'd try installing a fixed version instead of a broken one. |
| 18:56.35 | swerve | also just want to point out that debian couldn't install my net module automatically |
| 18:56.47 | simonrvn | that doesn't sound like a debian package anyway, but at 20K+ packages, who knows. |
| 18:56.53 | simonrvn | ,versions zabbix-server-mysql |
| 18:56.55 | judd | zabbix-server-mysql -- etch: 1:1.1.4-10etch1; etch-security: 1:1.1.4-10etch1; lenny: 1:1.4.6-1; lenny-backports: 1:1.8.2-1~bpo50+1; sid: 1:1.8.2-1; squeeze: 1:1.8.2-1 |
| 18:57.03 | simonrvn | oh lookatthat |
| 18:57.08 | swerve | had to modprobit it, 3c589_cs -pretty common, i thought |
| 18:57.16 | swerve | *modprobe |
| 18:57.27 | peterrooney | zirikili: what happens when you run the pre- and post- removal script directly? (probably /var/lib/dpkg/info/zabbix.prerm and /var/lib/dpkg/info/zabbix.postrm ) ? |
| 18:57.57 | swerve | just fyi if any devs want to add that module to search for o |
| 18:57.58 | zirikili | peterrooney: let me try |
| 18:58.17 | seicherlbob | thewanderer1: X -configure starts but crashes after showing the list of drivers with a backtrace. |
| 18:58.21 | Nepherius | would dreamlinux run ok on a pc with 256 ram ? |
| 18:58.24 | simonrvn | need to speciy an argument with those too iirc |
| 18:58.24 | peterrooney | I'm trying to think of how debconf would be involved in the -removal- of a package |
| 18:58.29 | simonrvn | specify* |
| 18:58.51 | simonrvn | peterrooney: removing translation and other templates, data from debconf dbs |
| 18:59.17 | zirikili | peterrooney: may I run it directly ? |
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| 18:59.25 | simonrvn | Nepherius: ask them? |
| 19:00.00 | Nepherius | no one there :P |
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| 19:00.17 | thewanderer1 | seicherlbob: that's no good |
| 19:00.39 | seicherlbob | thewanderer1: i'm rebooting. maybe that helps |
| 19:01.21 | seicherlbob | thewanderer1: nope... Signal 11 |
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| 19:01.55 | thewanderer1 | seicherlbob: then you'd have to get a config file from somewhere else... |
| 19:02.11 | seicherlbob | thewanderer1: omg... ok. |
| 19:02.20 | thewanderer1 | Debian isn't recognizing my LVM partitions on boot, the kernel bails out with VFS: not syncing error, no partitions are listed, any ideas? |
| 19:03.14 | thewanderer1 | I'm not sure it loads the initrd, actually... |
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| 19:03.41 | simonrvn | Nepherius: well, ask yourself this then. what kernel does that distro run? would things improve for you if you ran a newer linux kernel on it? |
| 19:04.04 | simonrvn | Nepherius: at worst, ask ##linux |
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| 19:05.49 | not_david | who maintains the dpkg bot? |
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| 19:06.05 | ward| | hramrach, thanx ill try it, i thought i needed glibc though |
| 19:06.15 | thewanderer1 | not_david: ask dpkg... :P |
| 19:06.36 | thewanderer1 | does the OpenVZ kernel support initramfs? |
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| 19:07.27 | simonrvn | dpkg: who's your daddy? |
| 19:07.27 | dpkg | you are my daddy, simonrvn |
| 19:07.36 | simonrvn | no i'm not |
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| 19:07.52 | RichiH-nonservic | jelly-hme: guess if mysql survived... |
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| 19:07.59 | Knew | Why is Debian better than RHEL? |
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| 19:08.00 | RichiH-nonservic | thankfully, we have backups |
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| 19:08.40 | RichiH-nonservic | Knew: unless someone is feeling really talkative, you will not get an exhaustive answer |
| 19:08.49 | RichiH-nonservic | fwiw, i am not :p |
| 19:08.51 | Knew | Like RHEL/CentOS/Fedora, is there a commercially supported and developed distribution in the Debian ecosystem? |
| 19:08.54 | hramrach | ward|: it might work without glibc, it is downloaded and installed by debootstrap |
| 19:08.55 | thewanderer1 | why doesn't my kernel list the partitions that I have on booting? |
| 19:09.08 | thewanderer1 | Knew: Ubuntu |
| 19:09.20 | ward| | hramrach, i mean i thought debootstrap needed glibc |
| 19:09.28 | ward| | hramrach, its listed as one of the dependencies |
| 19:09.29 | thewanderer1 | Knew: Debian is also supported by some, but you have to search... |
| 19:09.45 | hramrach | ward|: it's a shell script according to the pacakge description |
| 19:10.14 | ward| | hramrach, debootstrap? |
| 19:10.24 | hramrach | yes |
| 19:10.34 | thewanderer1 | GRUB2 is not loading my initrd, why? |
| 19:10.38 | Knew | Okay, Ubuntu might work. |
| 19:10.40 | ward| | hramrach, ah nice, so its just one single text file then? |
| 19:11.03 | hramrach | it may be more than one file, I don't have it installed |
| 19:11.09 | ward| | ok |
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| 19:11.57 | Knew | Why is Debian better than the cloud then? |
| 19:12.22 | thewanderer1 | Knew: could you move to #debian-offtopic ? this is a support channel |
| 19:12.47 | thewanderer1 | argh, GRUB2 loads my kernel but doesn't load initrd << for questions like this. now, any ideas? |
| 19:12.51 | Knew | Why is anything better than anything? Don't we all have the same potential? |
| 19:13.13 | bzrk | Knew: no |
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| 19:14.02 | Knew | bzed: Well I guess you're right. Some of us have bigger roles. |
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| 19:14.22 | thewanderer1 | errr |
| 19:14.37 | thewanderer1 | I'm getting "error: the initrd is too big" in GRUB2 |
| 19:15.02 | bzed | Knew: ETAB |
| 19:15.43 | thewanderer1 | I'll try disabling the memory hole |
| 19:16.30 | thewanderer1 | heh, cool, so that was it |
| 19:16.33 | ward| | hramrach, copying binaries now, so i can try it, i'll let you know if it works |
| 19:16.45 | thewanderer1 | apparently GRUB2 and initramfs are not compatible with memory holes at 15M-16M |
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| 19:18.08 | peterrooney | dpkg: I'm your daddy |
| 19:18.08 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, peterrooney |
| 19:19.35 | peterrooney | Knew: potential is never the same as actual. |
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| 19:20.47 | thewanderer1 | just installed Debian on RAID1 mdraid, should the array be rebuilding |
| 19:20.48 | thewanderer1 | ? |
| 19:21.07 | jelly-hme | thewanderer1: if it's just been created, yes. |
| 19:21.32 | hramrach | that sucks |
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| 19:21.58 | ZeuZ | Has anybody got experience with xname.org? |
| 19:21.59 | thewanderer1 | jelly-hme: well, I made it with d-i |
| 19:22.15 | thewanderer1 | ZeuZ: I wouldn't call that "experience", but I'm an active user for a few domains |
| 19:22.55 | ZeuZ | thewanderer1, yeah nice to find you, you were the one that suggested me it :) |
| 19:22.59 | thewanderer1 | notices that this HP Vectra with PIII 933MHz is actually fast under Debian |
| 19:23.16 | thewanderer1 | ZeuZ: that would mean I'm addicted to IRC... :P |
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| 19:23.32 | HazardX | when my system (which originally didn't have X at install) loads (now with installed X using xfce4 & slim) I have no keyboard/mouse. |
| 19:23.36 | HazardX | (sid) |
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| 19:24.03 | thewanderer1 | HazardX: hmm, slim, you say. I think I've seen this, but can't seem to remember the solution |
| 19:24.23 | HazardX | thewanderer1, same thing happened under xdm and if I just do startx |
| 19:24.31 | thewanderer1 | HazardX: have you rebooted already? |
| 19:24.36 | HazardX | several times |
| 19:24.52 | HazardX | (trying slim, xdm and no manager just doing startx over ssh) |
| 19:25.04 | ward| | hramrach, lol they added some more defacements of the firmware, it will take a bit more time to get usb mounted, need to get around another way, just a sec |
| 19:25.23 | thewanderer1 | HazardX: do you have an xorg.conf ? |
| 19:25.30 | ward| | hramrach, (they update this crap trough tr98 or tr69) |
| 19:25.39 | peterrooney | HazardX: X may be configured to not start unless you are at the console |
| 19:25.41 | HazardX | the keyboard is USB, this is a beatup old laptop, and I don't actually know for sure if the USB works, but I've got no reason to think it dosen't |
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| 19:25.54 | HazardX | X starts, but I can't type anything |
| 19:26.01 | thewanderer1 | HazardX: do you have xorg.conf ? |
| 19:26.04 | HazardX | (and the capslock light etc don't work) |
| 19:26.05 | HazardX | checking |
| 19:26.13 | HazardX | I didn't create one |
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| 19:26.24 | thewanderer1 | has it been created automagically or not? |
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| 19:26.44 | HazardX | no xorg to be found in /usr/lib/X11 |
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| 19:27.07 | nsadmin | howbout in /etc/X11? |
| 19:27.25 | HazardX | nope |
| 19:27.33 | HazardX | dosen't use X much for anything |
| 19:27.47 | thewanderer1 | hm, try `X -configure` and see if the new config works |
| 19:27.58 | nsadmin | oh, ok... why now? :) |
| 19:27.58 | thewanderer1 | the second option is a messed up udev |
| 19:28.40 | HazardX | thewanderer1, hmmm slim isn't shutting down |
| 19:29.11 | thewanderer1 | HazardX: this never works, and if you kill it, you'll often mess up the graphics drivers, too... |
| 19:29.23 | thewanderer1 | or at least console display |
| 19:29.28 | HazardX | I don't need that |
| 19:29.30 | thewanderer1 | that is the rough part of slim :P |
| 19:29.37 | HazardX | I'm sshed in, since I can't actually type anyway |
| 19:30.03 | thewanderer1 | also, restarting slim is not possible I think, other than kill-9'ing it and starting a new one |
| 19:30.12 | thewanderer1 | (welcome to bugland) |
| 19:30.15 | HazardX | (actually, also becuase the other machine's internal screen is dead, and there's this odd angle I have to bend in to see the external screen and use the keybaord at the same time) |
| 19:30.19 | HazardX | :S |
| 19:30.41 | thewanderer1 | gdm works better :P |
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| 19:30.57 | HazardX | Hmmmm |
| 19:31.13 | HazardX | I tried that too, but it didn't give me a keyboard either :S |
| 19:31.25 | HazardX | (I don't actually care at all) |
| 19:31.32 | nsadmin | not quite sure what you're looking to do... but if you have a remote on which you want to run x clients which display on a local x server, I have a checklist |
| 19:31.34 | thewanderer1 | no doubt, but you can restart gdm as opposed to slim :D |
| 19:31.52 | thewanderer1 | I would surely try `X -configure` first |
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| 19:32.00 | HazardX | I did |
| 19:32.28 | HazardX | gdm eh? |
| 19:32.29 | HazardX | fair enough |
| 19:32.32 | nsadmin | and, did you get an x config? |
| 19:32.36 | HazardX | yes |
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| 19:32.48 | nsadmin | ok, on the local or the remote? |
| 19:33.04 | HazardX | just a sec, lemme axe slim, and get gdm so I can restart the display manager after I restart |
| 19:33.14 | nsadmin | still not sure what you're looking to do exactly |
| 19:33.25 | HazardX | get X to give me a keyboard |
| 19:33.31 | HazardX | (on the local display) |
| 19:34.01 | nsadmin | hmm. so your local X isn't working properly? |
| 19:34.04 | HazardX | I should also mention that the machine in question is netbooted, it has no local harddrive. |
| 19:34.08 | HazardX | nsadmin, yes, exactly. |
| 19:34.51 | thewanderer1 | HazardX: unplug and replug keyboard and mouse |
| 19:34.57 | nsadmin | curious, what speed is your net? |
| 19:34.59 | thewanderer1 | while X is running |
| 19:35.02 | HazardX | rebooting |
| 19:35.28 | HazardX | nsadmin, most of it is gigabit, and the server is as well, though this machine's LAN is only 100MB/s |
| 19:35.44 | nsadmin | are the kbd/mouse usb? |
| 19:35.57 | HazardX | yes |
| 19:35.59 | HazardX | and no dice |
| 19:36.01 | intgr | HazardX: You mean 100 Mbit/s? |
| 19:36.08 | HazardX | intgr, yes, I do |
| 19:36.19 | HazardX | the internal keyboard/trackpad no worky either |
| 19:36.30 | thewanderer1 | HazardX: after trying unplug/replug, you can think it's an udev problem |
| 19:36.42 | nsadmin | and they both work in text console mode? |
| 19:36.47 | HazardX | and what do I do about that? |
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| 19:36.48 | HazardX | I think so |
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| 19:37.14 | HazardX | yes, they work in non-X consoles |
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| 19:38.00 | HazardX | I had a problem like this (maybe?) a while ago in gentoo, that turned out to be somehow related to HAL, as best I could tell, the point then though wasn't to actually get a working system, it was just to test something |
| 19:38.08 | thewanderer1 | do you have HAL? |
| 19:38.12 | HazardX | its installed |
| 19:38.15 | HazardX | I think |
| 19:38.17 | thewanderer1 | sid doesn't need HAL now |
| 19:38.29 | thewanderer1 | when have you last upgraded your sid? |
| 19:38.32 | HazardX | today |
| 19:38.43 | nsadmin | take a look in the x config you got from X -configure, does it mention a device for the kbd and/or mouse? |
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| 19:39.13 | thewanderer1 | HazardX: what udev and libudev0 version? |
| 19:39.15 | HazardX | thewanderer1, aptitude says that there's stuff with dependencies on hal thunar-volman & xfburn |
| 19:39.17 | nsadmin | hmm, I don't run sid, so I'm not sure I'd be helpful in the specifics |
| 19:39.26 | HazardX | udev is 161 I *THINK* |
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| 19:39.35 | HazardX | yup 161 |
| 19:39.53 | baf | hello, what is the uptodate name (lenny) of maildir-utils package? |
| 19:39.56 | thewanderer1 | HazardX: what about libudev0? |
| 19:40.13 | HazardX | 161 also |
| 19:40.33 | thewanderer1 | HazardX: then do what nsadmin told about X config file that you got |
| 19:40.39 | HazardX | those were updated today (though some kind of dumb luck) since usually updating udev crashes the netboot |
| 19:40.55 | thewanderer1 | heh |
| 19:41.13 | thewanderer1 | have you purged and reinstalled the config files for udev? |
| 19:41.21 | HazardX | no |
| 19:41.24 | stew_ | baf: maildir-utils was never in lenny |
| 19:41.26 | thewanderer1 | unless you have customizations, this could help |
| 19:41.39 | HazardX | just the net ones, since they need to be special for the netboot to be reliable. |
| 19:41.50 | thewanderer1 | okay, so backup that |
| 19:42.06 | HazardX | well, its really easy to make, since its the mac addr replaced with *? |
| 19:42.10 | thewanderer1 | also, did X detect your devices in the config file? |
| 19:42.12 | baf | stew it was in sid http://packages.debian.org/sid/maildir-utils |
| 19:42.23 | stew | baf: yes |
| 19:42.24 | HazardX | yes, it found Inputdevice, keyboard0, and something for the mouse |
| 19:42.29 | stew | baf: http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/maildir-utils.html |
| 19:42.40 | thewanderer1 | HazardX: then try to run X.org with that config before messing up udev |
| 19:42.47 | HazardX | kk |
| 19:42.56 | thewanderer1 | HazardX: just copy over the generated file to /etc/X11/ |
| 19:43.13 | HazardX | Can't I do X -config <config>? |
| 19:43.20 | thewanderer1 | HazardX: sure you can |
| 19:43.24 | nsadmin | would X -configure drop what it generates into .? |
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| 19:43.35 | HazardX | it actually put it in /root for whatever reason |
| 19:43.41 | HazardX | (I was in /tmp in the time I think) |
| 19:43.41 | stew | nsadmin: into $HOME, afaik |
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| 19:44.02 | HazardX | well, I don't know if the keyboard works, because the new config yeilds a lovely black screen. |
| 19:44.02 | nsadmin | yeah, that makes sense according to what happened |
| 19:44.17 | thewanderer1 | guys, what's a lightweight, in terms of dependencies, graphical chat client (mainly Jabber/IRC) that I can use under LXDE (GTK)? |
| 19:44.19 | baf | stew is there any way how to look if it is not in backports? |
| 19:44.28 | thewanderer1 | HazardX: what about the mouse? |
| 19:44.41 | HazardX | no cursor, no prompts no nothing, just a black screen |
| 19:44.46 | HazardX | the monitor is awake, so something is happeneing |
| 19:44.49 | thewanderer1 | HazardX: try gdm with that file |
| 19:44.55 | nsadmin | HazardX: are you running just X to test the config |
| 19:44.58 | nsadmin | ? |
| 19:45.01 | HazardX | make it /etc/Xorg.conf then start XDM? |
| 19:45.09 | HazardX | nsadmin, yea, good point :S |
| 19:45.10 | thewanderer1 | /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 19:45.19 | thewanderer1 | you should get a cursor anyway, I think... |
| 19:45.30 | thewanderer1 | but check with gdm or the dm you run |
| 19:45.43 | HazardX | I don't know if the trackpad actually works, so I'm not to concerned |
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| 19:45.55 | khem_ | is it easy to setup a server with xen / kvm on Debian? |
| 19:46.12 | nsadmin | HazardX: if you test with X, it always looks the same to everyone once it's working... this grey screen with an x cursor |
| 19:46.20 | HazardX | use kvm, not xen if you have a choice, the VMs are a little trickier than the host setup though |
| 19:46.34 | HazardX | nsadmin, I had a black screen, so I dunno |
| 19:46.36 | thewanderer1 | khem_: yes, it's a piece of cake, at least with KVM - I don't know Xen |
| 19:46.54 | nsadmin | when you did X? or what did you do? |
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| 19:47.17 | thewanderer1 | HazardX: what about gdm with your config? |
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| 19:47.26 | HazardX | well, starting gdm with the new config renamed to /etc/X11/Xorg.conf gets me the gdm login and still no keyboard. |
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| 19:47.32 | thewanderer1 | huh |
| 19:47.45 | thewanderer1 | you could try downgrading udev to squeeze |
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| 19:48.04 | nsadmin | did he try purging udev configs? |
| 19:48.07 | HazardX | no |
| 19:48.09 | HazardX | I haven't |
| 19:48.15 | thewanderer1 | then do that first |
| 19:48.18 | HazardX | just delete the rules files or what? |
| 19:48.20 | thewanderer1 | backup, as always |
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| 19:48.28 | nsadmin | I dunno what efeect that has... |
| 19:48.40 | HazardX | how do I purge it? |
| 19:48.53 | thewanderer1 | remove the config files from /etc/udev.d, then reinstall udev |
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| 19:49.05 | thewanderer1 | and restore what you know that works from backups |
| 19:49.08 | nsadmin | you need that missing config thing |
| 19:49.14 | nsadmin | !confmiss |
| 19:49.14 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 19:49.17 | HazardX | udev/rules.d or just all the config files? |
| 19:49.30 | thewanderer1 | start with rules.d |
| 19:49.42 | thewanderer1 | and read what dpkg said, it's crucial :P |
| 19:49.59 | nsadmin | ok so that factoid is older, what's the aptitude way |
| 19:50.10 | HazardX | dosen't matter |
| 19:50.20 | HazardX | if I frag the ability to boot I can still fix things from the host server |
| 19:50.21 | nsadmin | and let's update the factoid with that |
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| 19:50.28 | HazardX | (which is nice, no booting driveswapping whatever involved) |
| 19:51.12 | HazardX | cleared rules.d, though the only things in there was net and cd |
| 19:51.17 | HazardX | neither of which are remotely anything. |
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| 19:52.28 | HazardX | no dice, still no keyboard |
| 19:52.42 | nsadmin | ok, see if the udev package is in /var/cache/apt/archives, install it with dpkg with the confmiss thing that dpkgthebot said |
| 19:53.06 | thewanderer1 | if that fails, I'd suggest downgrading udev to squeeze and see if that persists |
| 19:53.30 | HazardX | hold on, lets try canning hal first. |
| 19:53.31 | thewanderer1 | this kind of udev/hal bug happens once in a while |
| 19:53.37 | nsadmin | let me take a total guess, a shot in the dark... what if the hid usb module isn't inserted? |
| 19:53.48 | HazardX | then it wouldn't work in the console either? |
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| 19:54.26 | thewanderer1 | how to get a list of memory hogs (processes) sorted by mem usage? |
| 19:54.29 | nsadmin | that's possible too |
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| 19:54.47 | HazardX | I can't remove hal without end up circularly removing X too :/ |
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| 19:55.21 | thewanderer1 | err |
| 19:55.22 | thewanderer1 | how? |
| 19:55.27 | thewanderer1 | X doesn't need hal anymore |
| 19:55.31 | HazardX | because it removes xfce4 |
| 19:55.41 | thewanderer1 | bugger |
| 19:56.01 | thewanderer1 | have you tried lxde? works without hal... :P |
| 19:56.21 | thewanderer1 | just in case, try to stop hal before starting gdm |
| 19:57.06 | nsadmin | thewanderer1, one way, you could feed the ps aux listing to sort on a particular column, another, you could read each line, pull out the mem usage, then write the memusage then the line out, and feed that to sort -n |
| 19:57.12 | HazardX | I shutdown hal, then stop/started gdm, still no |
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| 19:57.30 | marienzz` | NO HOMELAND WITHOUT YOU FUHRER LOREZ! ALL HAIL THE AUTISTIC LORD OF FREENODE!! nexusone mezod Ergo^ Ox1 mypapit xdr cahoot hagabaka luminoso SYN4PS3 permalac dels jelly-hme raz0 jpinx-eeepc DimmuR Tux^verdreifelt nanomachine RCP Austin|Xchat Kuifje ron_o Richiie ziarkaen s0d0 phinaliumz SineDeviance SQlvpapir ealdor bolt-work Fredric wald0 ChaozZBubi dArK_IcE trumpen plediii jrib MrJK panopticon arjovr desti Myztik Dassu emachado jjman_ jelly jjman macrobat s |
| 19:57.37 | thewanderer1 | HazardX: then try to downgrade udev to squeeze and see if that fixes it |
| 19:57.51 | thewanderer1 | hmm, top shows pidgin as eating up over 100MB of RAM - what's a lighter replacement for XMPP and IRC? |
| 19:58.00 | thewanderer1 | would finch be any lighter? |
| 19:58.10 | nsadmin | ohboy here we go |
| 19:58.41 | rudi_s | thewanderer1: irssi and bitlbee/minbif ;-) |
| 19:58.54 | neurolysis | does anyone have any idea why nautilus would stall upon trying to mount an NTFS volume? |
| 19:58.59 | rudi_s | (irssi for IRC, bitlbee/minbif for the rest like XMPP, MSN, ICQ, ..) |
| 19:59.00 | HazardX | I wonder if its because I don't have xserver-xorg-input-kbd & the mouse one |
| 19:59.03 | neurolysis | It's literally just my Windows partition, Ubuntu handles it no problem |
| 19:59.06 | neurolysis | But debian just freezes |
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| 19:59.49 | thewanderer1 | neurolysis: mount it manually instead |
| 19:59.49 | jks3wp1 | NO HOMELAND WITHOUT YOU FUHRER LOREZ! ALL HAIL THE AUTISTIC LORD OF FREENODE!! jks3wp1 Toast neurolysis CyberGabber icebrain peterrooney edju ThisNicknameIsnt yogurt2ungue vinic_ Bryanstein khem_ courpse bhah HackeMate Kuzavas maurizio zophy alpharesearch sw0e smica lepine ZeuZ mastro Eryn_1983_FL shingouz leroux me|kor usn [SkG] uva bit0 hjb syslq linuxwizard Bop mamurdian _saw not_david pikudoz quiritius chops1 mentor ungage RichiH-nonservic swerve Abs |
| 19:59.49 | jks3wp1 | NO HOMELAND WITHOUT YOU FUHRER LOREZ! ALL HAIL THE AUTISTIC LORD OF FREENODE!! ems ernst rvsjoen elik lish sfire||mouse Oxy-D aPpYe intgr not-me Jinko HermanDE osfd allisterb arosen derchris peppe kek kylemcgill githogori eft Python1320 action09 bier|tp LaptopBrain kjfletch madi liable zir0faive G_O_D1 rgr_ Deadguy emma [Echelon] thewanderer1 Locke0 viezerd AimHere hatta rking cusco Nepherius do0ob_ BlackFate davyg Kedare oblu zepp^ Asen-Ger MrFahrenheit |
| 19:59.54 | nsadmin | compare the ntfs driver in use by your ubuntu versus your debian |
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| 19:59.58 | MrFahrenheit | grrrrr |
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| 20:00.08 | neurolysis | LoRez: you have a fan :) |
| 20:00.15 | LoRez | several, I'm sure. |
| 20:00.16 | HazardX | I'm confused. |
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| 20:00.55 | neurolysis | thewanderer1: tried with no success, mount freezes |
| 20:00.55 | thewanderer1 | HazardX: errrr what |
| 20:00.57 | osfd | anyone can do somethinf about this cock suckers ? |
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| 20:01.17 | thewanderer1 | HazardX: you don't have xserver-xorg-input-* packages? lol |
| 20:01.18 | edju | Running squeeze. I have no virtual terminals. I've searched, but could find no solution. Inittab, posted at http://pastebin.com/rR4s63FM, looks fine as far as I can tell. Any hints, pointers, appreciated. |
| 20:01.19 | nsadmin | osfd: hopefully he just did |
| 20:01.25 | AimHere | Probably the GNAA so its probably a distributed attack |
| 20:01.28 | HazardX | thewanderer1, well, now I do, but still nada. |
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| 20:01.40 | thewanderer1 | HazardX: restarted gdm? |
| 20:01.41 | ziarkaen | LoRez, Found you in #ubuntu as well... |
| 20:01.44 | nsadmin | (and fanning the flames is probably the opposite of what we want to do) |
| 20:02.01 | HazardX | of course |
| 20:02.02 | LoRez | ziarkaen: such the brilliant observationalist |
| 20:02.07 | thewanderer1 | neurolysis: you need ntfs-3g for that |
| 20:02.07 | HazardX | just restarted the machine to see |
| 20:02.28 | neurolysis | thewanderer1: does debian stable not have ntfs-3g by default on a 1cd install? |
| 20:02.31 | thewanderer1 | HazardX: running with the X config file? |
| 20:02.32 | nsadmin | edju: if you're booted in single user mode, you will only have one vt |
| 20:02.46 | thewanderer1 | neurolysis: I wouldn't think it does, but check anyway |
| 20:02.53 | neurolysis | hm, thanks |
| 20:03.25 | HazardX | thewanderer1, gdm should load that by default if its in /etc/X11/Xorg.conf right? |
| 20:03.28 | neurolysis | thewanderer1: don't actually have it installed at the moment so can't test, it just crossed my mind that i meant to ask about it before ;) thanks, i will try that when i've got my deb machine :) |
| 20:04.06 | not_david | whoops |
| 20:04.11 | thewanderer1 | HazardX: yeah |
| 20:04.13 | edju | nsadmin, I'm not in single user, and I have no vts |
| 20:04.26 | thewanderer1 | HazardX: try without config, too |
| 20:04.38 | nsadmin | so you're not able to type at all, and you see no text when you boot? |
| 20:04.39 | thewanderer1 | HazardX: just with the input modules installed :P |
| 20:04.52 | HazardX | what's a program to handle configuring rc scripts? |
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| 20:04.59 | HazardX | so I can keep hal from starting at all |
| 20:05.04 | nsadmin | update-rc.d |
| 20:05.15 | thewanderer1 | or unlink, link :P |
| 20:05.18 | nsadmin | did it turn out to be hal? |
| 20:05.23 | HazardX | I always forget about update-rc.d |
| 20:05.54 | nsadmin | yeah, you can remove the links by hand if you know the dir structure or can discover it |
| 20:06.18 | nsadmin | but, conveniently, update-rc.d does know |
| 20:06.45 | HazardX | I've disabled hal, and I added the bit on: http://www.larsen-b.com/Article/341.html |
| 20:06.54 | HazardX | which should I suppose technically do the same thing to the Xorg file. |
| 20:07.14 | thewanderer1 | can anyone explain to me why Pidgin takes up 110MB of RAM while finch takes 25MB, and why they are so heavy? |
| 20:07.32 | HazardX | You'd think something SIMPLE like a keyboard wouldn't be BEYOND the system :/ |
| 20:07.55 | thewanderer1 | HAL is the root of your problems, I think... |
| 20:08.18 | HazardX | well, hal isn't running, and the issue remains. |
| 20:08.26 | thewanderer1 | so ave you tried that suggestion from the site? |
| 20:08.30 | HazardX | yes |
| 20:08.37 | HazardX | that's what the current test was testing, and still nothing |
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| 20:09.15 | chops1 | thewanderer1: Sometimes a lot of what they take up is shared libs that are going to be loaded anyway... sometimes it's just bloat |
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| 20:10.09 | thewanderer1 | my machine makes a noise like a starting car when I boot it, it's not like it can take on many apps... :P |
| 20:10.43 | chops1 | used to have a machine with 256MB and a pipe dream of making Debian run properly on it |
| 20:11.02 | thewanderer1 | heh, that's what I'm on |
| 20:11.09 | HazardX | ran debian for years on a pentium-166 with 96mb of EDO/FP |
| 20:11.11 | thewanderer1 | works like a charm, just this pidgin bloat |
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| 20:11.22 | krisfremen | hey guys, what webcam would you guys recommend, that would be compatible with debian lenny, and no messy drivers to install for it? |
| 20:11.32 | chops1 | thewanderer1: Yeah, it's a PITA. My favorite part was when dpkg would thrash horribly. |
| 20:12.05 | chops1 | That was actually one of the most painful parts (dist-upgrade taking ages and destroying the system). |
| 20:12.45 | HazardX | AH HA! |
| 20:12.50 | HazardX | if I modprobe evdev it works. |
| 20:12.59 | HazardX | (why is evdev not loading itself?) |
| 20:13.20 | thewanderer1 | HazardX: heh, funny |
| 20:14.12 | Jinko | notte |
| 20:14.15 | thewanderer1 | HazardX: try configuring X.org to use evdev via xorg.conf, should load it automagically the next time |
| 20:14.35 | HazardX | well, thanks for helping me out |
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| 20:15.24 | dboehmer | hello everyone |
| 20:15.31 | thewanderer1 | sid is a strange beast... |
| 20:15.35 | dboehmer | i could need some help with my ThinkPad X40 |
| 20:15.57 | HazardX | thewanderer1, if I could (easily) drop back to lenny/stable I would. |
| 20:16.08 | dboehmer | i am using squeeze unstable and after installing some updates today X crashed and now i cannot start it again |
| 20:16.14 | dboehmer | also KMS does not work |
| 20:16.33 | dboehmer | when booting the system normally it freezes when gdm is trying to start X |
| 20:17.09 | dboehmer | can somebody give hints how to solve that? |
| 20:19.14 | Bushmills | sid=unstable, squeeze=testing |
| 20:20.12 | dboehmer | Bushmills, i am using sid. sorry for that |
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| 20:21.00 | macrobat | dboehmer: the usual grep "(EE)" /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 20:22.36 | dboehmer | macrobat, no errors written to the file |
| 20:22.51 | dboehmer | i guess this is because the system freezes at that very moment |
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| 20:23.20 | riot | whats the best virtualization-solution for an intel dual xeon 3GHz (without kvm/VT)?? |
| 20:23.21 | macrobat | does x40 have ati graphics? |
| 20:23.32 | dboehmer | i also searched dmesg for any error messages from intel driver because it cannot select the physical resolution |
| 20:23.38 | macrobat | aha |
| 20:23.45 | HazardX | riot don't all xeons have VT? |
| 20:24.07 | thewanderer1 | HazardX: not the old ones |
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| 20:24.18 | jelly-hme | HazardX: the ones before VT existed wouldn't |
| 20:24.23 | Bushmills | !sid |
| 20:24.23 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 20:24.25 | HazardX | har-har-har |
| 20:24.53 | dboehmer | what would be the easiest way to get back to the state 2 days ago? |
| 20:25.06 | HazardX | have made a backup 2 days ago? |
| 20:25.09 | jelly-hme | HazardX: Xeon is a brand name denoting a server cpu. There have been Xeons since P2 or P3. |
| 20:25.12 | Bushmills | reinstall squeeze |
| 20:25.17 | dboehmer | unfortunately i have deleted the old *.deb files to save space |
| 20:25.42 | riot | HazardX: since xeon 3300 they have |
| 20:26.10 | thewanderer1 | !tell dboehmer about sdo |
| 20:26.15 | HazardX | well, to answer the actual question, virtualbox could do it, though its slow, but with out VTx there's no real way around that. |
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| 20:27.39 | thewanderer1 | riot: do you need virtualization? what for? |
| 20:27.46 | HazardX | because its fun. |
| 20:27.50 | HazardX | Do you really need to ask? |
| 20:28.40 | thewanderer1 | yes, I do, because some people just need containers and not virt |
| 20:28.41 | HazardX | so, I just changed the apt sources fiile from sid to squeeze (on the box I've been working on) and it isn't screaming at me about anything, is that...normal? |
| 20:29.02 | thewanderer1 | HazardX: yeah... like silence before the storm |
| 20:29.10 | riot | thewanderer1: i need both |
| 20:29.24 | HazardX | I figured, I'll just ignore it and when it explodes, I...won't really care at all. |
| 20:29.33 | thewanderer1 | riot: qemu with kqemu is said to have decent performance |
| 20:29.45 | HazardX | no VT, won't have kqemu |
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| 20:29.58 | r15 | duh!! i tried http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 to get my usb bootable, but i don't know why is it not working, it worked last time when i did a network installation. |
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| 20:30.13 | thewanderer1 | HazardX: wrong, kqemu != KVM |
| 20:30.25 | r15 | i have 8 gb usb disk, and i am not getting installer working while booting from usb. |
| 20:31.04 | r15 | ok any idea? |
| 20:31.36 | HazardX | (says the one with a gentoo box, running ubuntu packages for qemu using kvm to run debian & redhat) |
| 20:31.47 | r15 | i have to reinstall the grup, darn windows recovery overwritten my mbr, i will format that recovery partition once get back to my linux, |
| 20:31.53 | r15 | grub* |
| 20:32.03 | thewanderer1 | HazardX: kqemu is just a kernel hook, really, no hardware virt involved |
| 20:32.42 | r15 | so any idea? |
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| 20:32.54 | dboehmer | when having "squeeze" in my apt sources list am i using testing all the time?? i wanted to use unstable which gets packages after some time of testing AFAIK |
| 20:32.58 | HazardX | Good to know, though my Q9550 has VT, so its a non issue |
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| 20:34.33 | thewanderer1 | dboehmer: apt-cache policy will tell you what you are using by default |
| 20:36.54 | macrobat | r15: do you have debian partition(s) intact? |
| 20:37.07 | r15 | macrobat: yes |
| 20:37.21 | r15 | i just have to reinstall the grub. |
| 20:37.42 | macrobat | dboehmer: it is the other way around :) |
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| 20:38.57 | st4nnn | Hi, I cannot achieve to disable ipV6 on debian kernel. Tried modules, no ipv6 modules loaded. tried cmdline, no result |
| 20:39.06 | st4nnn | how may I disable ipv6? |
| 20:39.28 | st4nnn | I think it's built into kernel |
| 20:40.09 | jelly-hme | st4nnn: /msg dpkg noipv6 |
| 20:40.42 | dboehmer | macrobat, i have just checked it on debian.org. thanks for the hint |
| 20:40.46 | jelly-hme | djura-san: do not joke like that even in a nickname! |
| 20:41.08 | dboehmer | i am now updating to debian archive |
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| 20:42.09 | st4nnn | jelly-hme: no method works for me, strange... do I have to do a grub-install for cmdline? I did a update-grub |
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| 20:42.54 | jelly-hme | st4nnn: no. You could verify the menu entries. |
| 20:43.25 | r15 | and i am trying to format my usb disk, using fdisk, partition is not disappearing, tried partprobe too after deleting all the partitions on my usb. |
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| 20:44.37 | davekong | Is there a build system for Debian similar to what Gentoo or Arch have? |
| 20:44.51 | thewanderer1 | davekong: no. |
| 20:45.00 | thewanderer1 | we have no Portage |
| 20:45.10 | r15 | http://fpaste.org/UvmF/ |
| 20:46.03 | thewanderer1 | you can still build packages from source if you want to |
| 20:46.24 | MrFrood | davekong: nearest thing is apt-build |
| 20:47.28 | r15 | what's wrong here? http://fpaste.org/JqQw/ my usb is not getting formatted, i even tried with ejecting/ partprobe. |
| 20:49.06 | st4nnn | jelly-hme: hum, I did check the menu entries, does not work |
| 20:49.48 | st4nnn | jelly-hme: Unknown boot option `ipv6.disable=1': ignoring |
| 20:50.03 | st4nnn | uname -a |
| 20:50.09 | davekong | MrFrood: thanks |
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| 20:50.21 | jelly-hme | st4nnn: whcih debian release are you using? |
| 20:50.35 | st4nnn | uname -a : 2.6.26-2-vserver-amd64 |
| 20:50.38 | r15 | ok its working now. |
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| 20:50.50 | jelly-hme | st4nnn: that's a lenny kernel. which debian release are you using? |
| 20:50.57 | jelly-hme | !version |
| 20:50.57 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
| 20:50.57 | yrgd | is powered by phIRC 1.0.0-cvs (WINNT/5.3.3) - (Plugins: Google search / PHP.net search / WXMetar) - (c)2002 Andrew Heebner (andrew@evilwalr.us) |
| 20:51.01 | Hail_Spacecake | what does debian use instead of ifconfig for managing networking on the command line? |
| 20:51.22 | jelly-hme | yrgd: can you disable that response to "!version" in this channel, please |
| 20:51.34 | MrFrood | davekong: you may also want to check out http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html section 7.13 |
| 20:51.37 | thewanderer1 | Hail_Spacecake: ifconfig |
| 20:51.39 | st4nnn | jelly-hme: 5.0.5 |
| 20:51.57 | jelly-hme | st4nnn: that's lenny. Therefore, follow the advice for lenny. |
| 20:52.06 | thewanderer1 | Hail_Spacecake: if you hate ifconfig, you can use the newer `ip` tool |
| 20:52.53 | r15 | do i need anything extra to have my 8gb usb disk bootable? followed zcat section http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 |
| 20:53.04 | Hail_Spacecake | I know how to use ifconfig better than ip, but I don't see either of them installed on this system I've just come into maintenence of |
| 20:53.30 | jelly-hme | Hail_Spacecake: your root PATH might be missing /usr/sbin and /sbin directories |
| 20:53.49 | jelly-hme | Hail_Spacecake: which debian release is this? |
| 20:53.49 | thewanderer1 | r15: no, you don't need anything more |
| 20:54.00 | r15 | ok |
| 20:54.08 | Hail_Spacecake | jelly-hme, ah yeah that was it |
| 20:54.17 | Hail_Spacecake | it's 4.0 |
| 20:54.25 | thewanderer1 | r15: if you have a pendrive which uses sth called U3, get rid of that crap |
| 20:54.27 | Hail_Spacecake | I am trying now to figure out how to upgrade it without breaking anything |
| 20:54.43 | jelly-hme | Hail_Spacecake: before you do anything with it, read: /msg etch sources.list |
| 20:55.14 | Hail_Spacecake | no such nick |
| 20:55.19 | r15 | it's kingston data traveler, last time i did network installation from same, but today same steps are not working :( |
| 20:55.31 | jelly-hme | Hail_Spacecake: sorry, /msg dpkg etch sources.list |
| 20:55.44 | thewanderer1 | r15: and tell me you're running Core i7/Xeon with a buggy intel BIOS in that machine... |
| 20:56.07 | Hail_Spacecake | yeah, I had to edit the sources.list line last night to be able to update the system at all |
| 20:56.28 | r15 | thewanderer1: i have hp laptop compaq 6720s |
| 20:56.49 | thewanderer1 | r15: then it doesn't want to boot from your pendrive somehow, test it on another machine |
| 20:57.01 | r15 | ok |
| 20:57.04 | thewanderer1 | !tell Hail_Spacecake about etch->lenny |
| 20:57.18 | st4nnn | jelly-hme: it does not work for me |
| 20:57.21 | r15 | ok trying on this laptop itself, be right back. |
| 20:57.53 | jelly-hme | st4nnn: are you using a custom kernel? |
| 20:58.00 | st4nnn | no, the debian one |
| 20:58.02 | jelly-hme | st4nnn: uname -r |
| 20:58.19 | st4nnn | 2.6.26-2-vserver-amd64 |
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| 21:00.07 | jelly-hme | st4nnn: and you're accessing the host, physical machine? |
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| 21:01.00 | Burns | Hello |
| 21:01.08 | Burns | does Suhosin comes with PHP or Apache? |
| 21:01.18 | st4nnn | jelly-hme: yes |
| 21:01.26 | thewanderer1 | Burns: Suhosin comes with php5 packages |
| 21:01.45 | Burns | I would like a package without Suhosin, or how can I disable it please |
| 21:02.09 | jelly-hme | st4nnn: that kernel will have ipv6 as a module, I believe. Confirm with find /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-vserver-amd64 -name 'ipv6.ko' |
| 21:03.02 | jelly-hme | st4nnn: if that is true, the install ipv6 /bin/true method ought to work, unless for some reason ipv6 module is getting loaded before, in the initramfs |
| 21:04.26 | dboehmer | how to revert all packages to the version available from snapshot.debian.org? |
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| 21:04.59 | thewanderer1 | Burns: the core patch is compiled into the package, you can't disable that, you can only unload the module if you need, but you should never need that |
| 21:05.01 | dboehmer | i have added a snaphsot of the packages but because the local packages are newer nothing is changed |
| 21:05.07 | dboehmer | how to force a downgrade? |
| 21:05.14 | thewanderer1 | Burns: if you really need to have a vulnerable linux install, try Damn Vulnerable Linux :P |
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| 21:05.59 | jelly-hme | dboehmer: do you really want all the packages downgraded, not just one or a small set? |
| 21:06.09 | Burns | how to unload it thewanderer1 |
| 21:06.21 | Burns | It affects my IPB and joomla, So i dotn need it |
| 21:06.33 | thewanderer1 | recompile PHP without it |
| 21:06.41 | dboehmer | jelly, both ways would be acceptable for me. as i don't know which package is exactly causing the problem i would accept downgrading the whole system. |
| 21:06.42 | Burns | I tried but had an error on it |
| 21:06.50 | thewanderer1 | try harder |
| 21:06.53 | dboehmer | 4 days is not that many updates lost |
| 21:06.59 | jelly-hme | dboehmer: what is the actual problem? |
| 21:07.11 | Burns | I will get you the error th1 |
| 21:07.32 | dboehmer | kernel says the GPU does not work with KMS and when starting X the system freezes |
| 21:08.32 | thewanderer1 | dboehmer: maybe the kernel has a reason |
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| 21:08.40 | thewanderer1 | try to disable KMS |
| 21:08.40 | Burns | I did follow this tutorial wander |
| 21:08.42 | jelly-hme | dboehmer: which GPU? Have you inspected the bugs for its driver package (xserver-xorg-video-whatever)? |
| 21:08.46 | Burns | http://ak33m.com/?p=55 |
| 21:09.06 | dboehmer | jelly, i am using xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 21:09.06 | jelly-hme | dboehmer: have you asked #debian-x (on oftc)? |
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| 21:09.39 | dboehmer | to be honest i hate the bugtracking system of debian with all this e-mail cruft. but as far as i can tell there were no bug reports in the last month |
| 21:09.52 | dboehmer | jelly, i will try #debian-x |
| 21:10.01 | jelly-hme | no bug reports? |
| 21:10.36 | jelly-hme | dboehmer: try http://bugs.debian.org/xserver-xorg-video-intel again |
| 21:10.45 | Burns | ALERT - canary mismatch on efree() - heap overflow detected (attacker 'YOUR LOCAL IP'), etc. |
| 21:10.52 | Burns | Thats the suoshin lol |
| 21:10.57 | nyRednek | question, how to get ar installed on a distro that doesn't have it? |
| 21:11.04 | Spines | Is there a tool that you can use that does netstat but in a console that auto refreshs etc ? |
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| 21:11.29 | Burns | top Spines |
| 21:11.32 | nyRednek | trying to install with debootstrap |
| 21:11.34 | Burns | no nvm |
| 21:12.08 | Spines | top ? that does processes, not tcp connections |
| 21:12.16 | Burns | yeah thats why i said nvm |
| 21:12.20 | Spines | :P |
| 21:12.35 | jelly-hme | nyRednek: probably best to ask the support of that distro or try looking for binutils build it from GNU binutils source |
| 21:13.04 | nyRednek | oh, didn't know it was binutils, sorry...been a while since i've been this low leve |
| 21:13.10 | nyRednek | jelly-hme: thanks |
| 21:13.37 | jelly-hme | nyRednek: a web search for GNU ar would have uncovered this fact |
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| 21:14.28 | nyRednek | jelly-hme: didn't think about it...dsl has me confuzzed, tempted to grab the old slackware disk and install that instead(at least i'd know what i was looking at) |
| 21:14.52 | nyRednek | as a matter of fact... |
| 21:15.10 | jelly-hme | I think DSL has a channel nearby |
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| 21:15.14 | jelly-hme | !dsl |
| 21:15.14 | dpkg | i heard dsl is Digital Subscriber Line, the wonder technology the telcos will nevertheless find a way to turn into a con, or better than cable. http://www.dslreports.com or Damn Small Linux, http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/, or for Damn Small Linux related questions, see #damnsmalllinux on irc.freenode.net (ask me about <based on debian>) |
| 21:15.53 | jelly-hme | hopefully you'll have enough information to make debootstrap work ;-) |
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| 21:17.30 | r15 | ok usb having some issue, now i am using unetbootin-linux-471 to have one lucid-dvd-i386.iso working, and then try to reinstall the grub. |
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| 21:18.09 | jelly-hme | dboehmer: if you can't stomach the BTS, perhaps running sid isn't the best option for you |
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| 21:32.43 | dboehmer | again: how to revert all updates to the state included from snaphsot.debian.org? |
| 21:33.18 | dboehmer | i use a 4d old snapshot as source and want to downgrade everything possible in order to revert the problems, too |
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| 21:33.38 | dboehmer | i could not isolate a particular package causing the problems or solve the problem otherwise |
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| 21:38.08 | abrotman | why? what problems are you having? |
| 21:41.32 | zophy | anyone have any experience with a dist upgrade from lenny to squeeze ? |
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| 21:45.19 | the-dude | zophy: yeah |
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| 21:50.59 | zophy | the-dude, did your dist-upgrade go ok ? |
| 21:52.02 | intgr | Is there a guide to writing Upstart files for Debian packages? |
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| 21:52.15 | the-dude | yeah the only thing I can remember was upgrading the kernel, reboot, and do the rest of the dist-upgrade |
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| 21:54.09 | lifeofguenter | hi all |
| 21:54.19 | lifeofguenter | seems squeeze release is coming soon :) |
| 21:54.32 | jelly-hme | fsvo soon |
| 21:54.33 | lifeofguenter | paaarrtttaaay :) |
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| 21:54.42 | jelly-hme | party like it's 2011 |
| 21:54.57 | lifeofguenter | the later the better.. don't want to upgrade all my servers again :/ |
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| 21:56.09 | rhalff | is there a debian live cd channel ? :) |
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| 21:56.54 | intgr | All I found was dh_installinit, but it says nothing about what the files should actually look like |
| 21:57.18 | andihit | how can I configure debian to allow one user start servers with port < 1024? |
| 21:57.56 | intgr | andihit: Short answer: you can't, the server has to start as root and drop privileges after it has bound to the port. |
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| 21:58.42 | andihit | drop privileges? ok, thx, then I'll have to look how this is done ;) |
| 21:58.53 | jelly-hme | andihit: there are ways to make a high bound service look like it's bound on a low port using iptables. |
| 21:59.13 | bzed | andihit: but in general: you should not give a random user access to these ports. |
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| 22:02.47 | jelly-hme | andihit: google for iptables REDIRECT. Eg. if you have a tcp service listening on *:8080, and want to make it accessible on *:80 iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-ports 8080 |
| 22:03.45 | jelly-hme | andihit: note: REDIRECT won't work crossing from a real interface like ethX to loopback, lo |
| 22:04.20 | andihit | jelly-hme: unfortuntely iptables doesn't work on my vserver |
| 22:05.19 | jelly-hme | can't expect much from a glorified chroot |
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| 22:12.42 | daedhel | hi people. I want to make this wireles usb key work on my Squeeze machine. The rt2800usb driver that get probed when inserting the key does not list available wifi networks in Wicd, although I see "wlan0" when I "ipwconfig". |
| 22:13.04 | daedhel | device from "lsusb" : |
| 22:13.05 | daedhel | Bus 002 Device 004: ID 148f:2070 Ralink Technology, Corp. RT2070 Wireless Adapter |
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| 22:22.09 | jelly-hme | daedhel: is relevant firmware for rt2800usb driver installed? |
| 22:22.31 | daedhel | jelly-hme: hm |
| 22:22.33 | jelly-hme | daedhel: /msg dpkg ralink firmware |
| 22:23.42 | esaym153 | the best command to force a computer to shutdown safely through cron at a certain time? |
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| 22:24.10 | intgr | esaym153: Just a normal cron entry in root's crontab with "halt" |
| 22:24.11 | daedhel | esaym153: "halt" |
| 22:24.13 | seicherlbob | hi there! my debian lenny refuses to run X -configure (sig11). how can this be? stacktrace: http://pastebin.com/0NgVWeYN |
| 22:24.33 | esaym153 | intgr: yea but will that safely shut down any running desktop apps or just kill them? |
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| 22:25.02 | peterrooney | doesn't halt invoke shutdown? |
| 22:25.13 | daedhel | jelly-hme: the package "firmware-ralink" is installed |
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| 22:25.34 | intgr | esaym153: Kill |
| 22:25.36 | daedhel | jelly-hme: its the only one I get when "aptitude search ralink" |
| 22:25.53 | latenite | Hi folks, I just debootstaped a vm and wanted to instal apache. BUT I get this fuse error. How can I fix that? thanks |
| 22:25.54 | latenite | http://www.pastie.org/1142493 |
| 22:26.01 | jelly-hme | daedhel: that certaintly seems to be the one dpkg thinks relevant |
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| 22:29.10 | latenite | anyone? :) |
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| 22:30.34 | jelly-hme | latenite: get rid of sshfs and fuse-utils and install apache. |
| 22:30.38 | jophish | Hullo all |
| 22:30.47 | daedhel | latenite: is fuse installed ? |
| 22:31.26 | hayleyw | i'm having a problem with x being just a black screen with no error in Xorg.log ...this is on lenny. was working fine until and update yesterday. any tips? |
| 22:31.34 | jelly-hme | latenite: after that, consider bind-mounting the exterior /dev inside the chroot |
| 22:31.56 | daedhel | jelly-hme: I have seen in many websites that people have problem with the rt2800usb driver. Scanning does not seem to work |
| 22:32.16 | latenite | jelly, ist not exactl a chroot..it s a lxc. How can i bind mount it like that? |
| 22:32.20 | daedhel | latenite: youre chrooted in that box ? |
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| 22:32.29 | latenite | daedhel, yes |
| 22:32.41 | jelly-hme | daedhel: I can't help with that, sorry, no hardware or experience with the driver |
| 22:32.49 | daedhel | latenite: mount -o bind /dev dev/ |
| 22:32.53 | hayleyw | sorry, said lenny, meant squeeze |
| 22:32.53 | latenite | jelly, I want fuse-utils so I can use sshfs. but it will not install propperly |
| 22:33.03 | daedhel | latenite: okay thanks anyway |
| 22:33.31 | latenite | daedhel, I don t do " mount -o bind /dev dev/" since its NO chroot BUT a lxc |
| 22:33.35 | jelly-hme | latenite: you said your issue was installing apache, not sshfs, so I suggested getting rid of the immediat problem. |
| 22:33.53 | jelly-hme | latenite: your debootstrap is a chroot. |
| 22:34.00 | jelly-hme | isn't it? |
| 22:34.01 | daedhel | latenite: i don,t know what lxc is |
| 22:34.13 | daedhel | latenite: also: |
| 22:34.14 | daedhel | mount -t proc proc proc/ |
| 22:34.15 | daedhel | mount -t sysfs sys sys/ |
| 22:34.28 | latenite | lxc = linuxcontainer A somewhat better chrrot or virtualmacine |
| 22:34.48 | jelly-hme | latenite: "contact lxc people" |
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| 22:34.53 | daedhel | latenite: ok. The mount commands might still work tho |
| 22:35.44 | jelly-hme | latenite: ask them whether using /dev/fuse and fuse-based filesystems inside a container is possible at all |
| 22:36.44 | latenite | OK i ll go there an ask. Thank ou for your help :) |
| 22:37.00 | jelly-hme | latenite: it seems not to allow mknod-ing a character device at all |
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| 22:37.10 | daedhel | latenite: did you at least try it? |
| 22:37.14 | jelly-hme | mknod: `fuse-': Operation not permitted |
| 22:37.14 | jelly-hme | makedev fuse c 10 229 root root 0660: failed |
| 22:39.04 | latenite | daedhel, try "what" exactly? |
| 22:39.24 | jelly-hme | latenite: do you have access to outside of the container? |
| 22:39.28 | latenite | jelly, yes somehow this fails...but that s bad *cry* |
| 22:39.46 | latenite | jelly, yes I have |
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| 22:40.20 | jelly-hme | you might be able to create the fuse device from there I guess |
| 22:41.21 | latenite | jelly, in outside it already existe /dev/fuse |
| 22:41.38 | latenite | somehow it just gets not "ported" to the container |
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| 22:42.23 | jelly-hme | I don't know enough about lxc to say anytihng useful at this point. |
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| 22:44.33 | latenite | jelly-hme, let me check with lxc folks....thank you all so far :) |
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| 22:47.36 | seicherlbob | can someone help me with lenny, Xserver and fglrx? When following the wiki instuctions, i get "FATAL: Module fglrx not found." and the screen turns black |
| 22:51.44 | abrotman | did you use m-a a-i fglrx ? |
| 22:52.34 | project2501a | whut is m-a a-i ? |
| 22:52.43 | abrotman | !m-a |
| 22:52.43 | dpkg | it has been said that module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and install them. "aptitude install module-assistant". See usage examples at http://wiki.debian.org/ModuleAssistant . Log files from successful (and unsuccessful!) builds can be found in /var/cache/modass/ |
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| 22:52.55 | jelly-home | project2501a: a literal command. |
| 22:54.03 | project2501a | emacs literal command? |
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| 23:02.32 | acu | I have a 1.5 TB hard drive which will be for backup - should I do ext3 or 4 formating ? |
| 23:03.09 | acu | do I need something special to access an ext4 ? |
| 23:03.09 | streuner | !ext3 |
| 23:03.09 | dpkg | hmm... ext3 is the One True Filesystem. If you have to ask what filesystem you should be using, use ext3. Ask me about <ext2->ext3>, <resize2fs>, <ext2fsd>, <ext2ifs>, <filesystems>. FAQ: http://batleth.sapienti-sat.org/projects/FAQs/ext3-faq.html . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext3 |
| 23:03.33 | acu | !ext4 |
| 23:03.33 | dpkg | [ext4] Fourth extended file system. Supports volumes up to one exabyte (1024 petabytes) and extents. Support for ext4 filesystem features included in e2fsprogs since 1.41~WIP-2008-06-17-1. Merged in mainline Linux kernel, available in 2.6.28 and later. Ask me about <ext3->ext4> and <ext4->ext3>. Not supported by GRUB Legacy (Debian bug #511121). http://wiki.debian.org/Ext4 http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/ #ext4 on irc.oftc.net. |
| 23:04.02 | streuner | acu: yeah, thats the main issue |
| 23:04.31 | streuner | acu: i just use JFS :-P |
| 23:04.40 | acu | !jfs |
| 23:04.40 | dpkg | from memory, jfs is Journaled File System from IBM, licensed under the GPL. Fast and very reliable. Performance has improved significantly since initial release(s). Give it a try! http://jfs.sf.net/ |
| 23:05.37 | acu | streuner: is more network oriented ? or what is jfs |
| 23:05.50 | Burns | Why I can't get my hostname changed, even after changing it from /etc/hosts hostname |
| 23:05.58 | Burns | It gets back to the old one after rebooting |
| 23:06.02 | streuner | acu: its just a FS, not more or less |
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| 23:07.22 | not-me | look in /etc/hostname |
| 23:07.48 | Burns | I already did |
| 23:07.59 | Burns | gets back to the old name even after changing it |
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| 23:10.28 | streuner | acu: main issue is VFAT is limited to 4 GB... |
| 23:11.03 | acu | Burns: maybe it has to do something with resolv.conf (or maybe not) I remember I face similar things but I forgot how I fix it |
| 23:11.25 | acu | streuner: yes - I am want to get away from any windows trace possible |
| 23:11.49 | acu | I understand though that there is a utility for windows to access an ext3 |
| 23:11.57 | streuner | acu: well, i recommend JFS |
| 23:12.27 | Burns | Where is that file |
| 23:13.09 | Burns | got it |
| 23:13.13 | gnarface | i recommend xfs |
| 23:13.19 | acu | streuner: got it - the disk utility in Squeeze did not have it - perhaps I should install jfs ? - so at this point I will go with ext3 since I am more familiar with - but now that you told me - it seem that jfs is really rocking |
| 23:13.25 | Burns | well fuck that |
| 23:13.39 | acu | gnarface: xfs was a choice in Disk Utility |
| 23:13.42 | acu | !xfs |
| 23:13.43 | dpkg | The filesystem developed by SGI for high-performance (metadata-only) journalling and large disk support. Zeroed files on power failures is fixed since Linux 2.6.17 (http://lwn.net/Articles/279036/). Supposedly not as mature, in linux, as <ext3>. Unable to be shrunk. Broken on ARM (BTS #423562). http://xfs.org/index.php/XFS_FAQ http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs/ #xfs on irc.freenode.net. |
| 23:14.03 | streuner | acu: nah, just "man mkfs.jfs" |
| 23:14.04 | gnarface | the thing about xfs is it gets a bad wrap but it's freaking old and very well polished by now |
| 23:14.28 | gnarface | it also has ridiculous upper limit on single file sizes and performs quite well |
| 23:14.29 | streuner | acu: JFS is supported by the kernel |
| 23:14.38 | gnarface | so is xfs isn't it? |
| 23:14.55 | jelly-home | streuner: so it btrfs |
| 23:15.09 | gnarface | course you still typically need to recompile your kernel to get past the 2TB file limit |
| 23:15.16 | jelly-home | that doesn't mean you're wise to use it |
| 23:15.18 | streuner | jelly: hm, no idea aout btrfs |
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| 23:15.25 | Burns | maybe I dont edit the hostname file with right editor |
| 23:15.31 | Burns | I was using nano |
| 23:15.43 | jelly-home | gnarface: debian's kernels don't have to be |
| 23:15.48 | Burns | after tryin to install virtualmin |
| 23:15.49 | Burns | INFO - Checking for fully qualified hostname... |
| 23:15.50 | Burns | hostname: Unknown host |
| 23:15.50 | Burns | INFO - Hostname is not fully qualified. |
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| 23:16.13 | jelly-home | gnarface: oh, 2TB+ _file_. I though 2TB+ device. |
| 23:16.17 | jelly-home | thought* |
| 23:16.37 | jelly-home | I don't have 2TB+ files. |
| 23:16.38 | Burns | What |
| 23:17.09 | gnarface | yea if you turn on the extra large file flag and format xfs you can store 8EB files on it |
| 23:17.15 | gnarface | i don't even know what an EB is but i bet it's big |
| 23:17.27 | streuner | XFS is pain in the ass |
| 23:17.32 | gnarface | how so? |
| 23:17.51 | streuner | well, if the system crash all data is lost usually |
| 23:18.02 | naildownx | can anyone tell me the advantage running debian over other debian based distros? |
| 23:18.02 | gnarface | how's that possible? its journaling? |
| 23:18.06 | project2501a | streuner: ask Linus what he thinks about ext4 :D |
| 23:18.19 | streuner | project2501a: hm |
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| 23:18.34 | gnarface | streuner: you're just being a hater. xfs is journaling. even fat32 doesn't lose ALL data after a crash :-p |
| 23:18.51 | project2501a | !reiserfs |
| 23:18.51 | dpkg | ReiserFS is a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. Ask me about <ext3>, <jfs> and <xfs> for safer filesystems. No longer actively maintained upstream. See also <reiserfs d-i>, <ext3 vs reiserfs>, <rfstool>. |
| 23:19.00 | MrFrood | naildownx: philosophy |
| 23:19.08 | project2501a | gnarface: i run xfs |
| 23:19.09 | streuner | gnarface: we are talking about *nix FS :-P |
| 23:19.14 | project2501a | gnarface: i gots SGI altix ! |
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| 23:19.18 | streuner | dpkg, start an FS war |
| 23:19.19 | dpkg | JFS uses too much overhead! |
| 23:19.23 | streuner | ha |
| 23:19.26 | streuner | hah |
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| 23:19.53 | project2501a | xfs is supported by the kernel ever since 2.4.16 |
| 23:19.59 | streuner | dpkg, literal FS war |
| 23:19.59 | dpkg | i don't know, streuner |
| 23:20.02 | streuner | hm |
| 23:20.08 | acu | guys take it easy - we learned a lot so far :) |
| 23:20.10 | gnarface | see i don't get that lost data stuff on reiserfs. i run world of warcraft and steam/left for dead through cedega/wine with the nvidia binary drivers. that shit IO locks my system ALL THE F-ING TIME and i still haven't ever lost data with reiserfs |
| 23:20.15 | streuner | acu: hehe |
| 23:20.18 | project2501a | Burns: look at /etc/hosts as well |
| 23:20.26 | naildownx | MrFrood: for instance I like running linuxmint distros and just debian and I can't see much difference...am I missing something? |
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| 23:20.29 | acu | I have some important data to put on that hard disk - I will stick now with ext3 |
| 23:20.33 | project2501a | jelly-home: i got 2+ TB files :) |
| 23:20.45 | naildownx | MrFrood: I also like the #! Debian distro |
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| 23:20.56 | acu | and experiment with others - and crash - see which ones wins :) |
| 23:21.00 | jelly-home | project2501a: on debian? |
| 23:21.05 | streuner | acu: FS is a PITA usually, there are plenty of op. |
| 23:21.32 | Piratero | Hello everyone! |
| 23:21.33 | intgr | I concur with XFS-haters, I've heard of more than one instance of it completely destroying all data. |
| 23:21.41 | project2501a | jelly-home: yup. with xfs |
| 23:21.44 | streuner | acu: some have bad experiences about that, some dont... |
| 23:21.46 | gnarface | suspects user error |
| 23:21.46 | intgr | ext3 or ext4 is the way to go. |
| 23:21.49 | Piratero | I'm on Debian Lenny (5.0). Is it advisable to upgrade to the latest kernel? |
| 23:21.50 | project2501a | I want pita :( |
| 23:21.58 | project2501a | i want pita with gyros, tzatziki |
| 23:22.03 | project2501a | *hungry* |
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| 23:22.15 | acu | streuner: if IBM uses jfs for their servers - should be OK for smaller guys :) |
| 23:22.21 | project2501a | Piratero: do you need to upgrade to the latest kernel? |
| 23:22.27 | intgr | acu: Thing is, XFS is designed for 100% reliable hardware. Misplace one write and it's gone |
| 23:22.40 | streuner | acu: it work since years here ... |
| 23:22.40 | acu | intgr: nice touch |
| 23:22.44 | project2501a | intgr: i got reliable hardware |
| 23:22.55 | project2501a | i got sgi hardware ;D |
| 23:22.57 | intgr | If you can afford battery-backed RAID controllers and high-end SCSI/SAS drives, go with XFS. |
| 23:23.11 | intgr | If you're looking for a FS for a home computer, forget XFS. |
| 23:23.17 | gnarface | well ALL journaling file systems face a worst-case scenario in the event of catastrophic power failure. crashes are far less dangerous. having battery backups makes a huge difference |
| 23:23.18 | acu | I learned more than I needed today :) |
| 23:23.33 | streuner | acu: thats not true |
| 23:23.40 | gnarface | uses batteries at home anyway. |
| 23:23.42 | acu | that I did not learn ? |
| 23:23.49 | streuner | acu: you never learned more than you needed :-P |
| 23:23.52 | gnarface | can play world of warcraft for up to 17 minutes when the power goes out |
| 23:24.10 | acu | LOL streuner: you are talking like from good (old) books :) |
| 23:24.16 | project2501a | gnarface: uhm? why? |
| 23:24.18 | intgr | XFS fsck is beyond useless too |
| 23:24.22 | project2501a | WE ALL KNOW HANS DID IT |
| 23:24.25 | MrFrood | naildownx: Debain in Linux for anarchist |
| 23:24.36 | project2501a | DEBIAN IS COMMUNISM |
| 23:24.41 | streuner | lol |
| 23:24.52 | project2501a | i had that shouted at me once |
| 23:24.53 | gnarface | project2501a: why what? 17 minutes? because it's a half-hour UPS but i've got a big video card and 2 monitors |
| 23:25.01 | project2501a | i said "damn skippy i am a commie" |
| 23:25.11 | acu | I am going to synchronize two hard disks - I use Krussader - what other tool can do that with ease and no PhD in computers :) |
| 23:25.16 | project2501a | and why does power fail? |
| 23:25.18 | naildownx | rights....debian is communism antichrist....got it ;) |
| 23:25.27 | naildownx | *writes |
| 23:25.37 | project2501a | acu: dd, rsync |
| 23:25.42 | streuner | why should communism be bad... |
| 23:25.42 | project2501a | but you need a masters to use both |
| 23:25.47 | gnarface | project2501a: california - rolling brownouts. don't let them deregulate the electrical grid in your state. :( |
| 23:25.48 | project2501a | streuner: soviet russia. |
| 23:26.02 | acu | this Disk Utility in Squeeze is just sweet |
| 23:26.09 | acu | no neurons required |
| 23:26.20 | acu | Windows guy friendly :) LOL |
| 23:26.23 | project2501a | gnarface: what was that company that failed in cali and screwed up cali for years and years now? |
| 23:26.27 | project2501a | and took all the money |
| 23:26.36 | intgr | Indeed, I actually like it. |
| 23:26.47 | project2501a | !cli |
| 23:26.47 | dpkg | [cli] Command Line Interface, the best form of interface around. See http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=6282&page=1 or ask me about <general cli tutorial>. Call-Level Interface, originally developed by SQL Access Group, but now known as Microsoft's ODBC standard. Common Language Infrastructure, ask me about <mono>. |
| 23:27.14 | gnarface | project2501a: i forget but i think they were actually shutting down power stations at one point to artificially create a power crisis so they could demand more money |
| 23:27.25 | acu | project2501 so dd is it - so be it - I always afraid though that I might right the original data :) |
| 23:27.29 | project2501a | is there a trigger for Stephenson's "in the beginning was the command line"? |
| 23:27.30 | MrFrood | naildownx: ona more pratical note Debian is about getting Linux to do what you want whereas Minat as far as I can tell is about pretty looking deasktops |
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| 23:27.34 | gnarface | project2501a: ENRON |
| 23:27.47 | project2501a | HOW DO YOU LIKE YOUR ENRON NOW VALLEY GIRL? |
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| 23:27.54 | project2501a | heh |
| 23:27.56 | abrotman | project2501a: knock it off .. go to #debian-offtopic |
| 23:28.07 | gnarface | project2501a: there is even a documentary. it makes you mad just to watch |
| 23:28.58 | acu | abrotman: what project2501a is talking is even not #debian-offtopic :) |
| 23:29.12 | peterrooney | gnarface: project2501a: were they running debian, or not? |
| 23:29.13 | abrotman | it's not #debian.. that's for sure |
| 23:29.35 | gnarface | ok so like, when wine can't load a native DLL it's looking for a system SO file, but how do i figure out which one it's trying to find? can i use ldd for that somehow? |
| 23:29.38 | dfdf | hi, i want to install java on my debian squeeze so i apt-get install sun-java6-bin but it want to install also avahi-daemon and gsfonts packets witch i don't need, why ? |
| 23:29.43 | gnarface | peterrooney: i'm done bitching |
| 23:29.50 | streuner | acu: How do you know? Just visit ot |
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| 23:30.07 | acu | streuner: what is OT ? |
| 23:30.11 | abrotman | dfdf: the fonts are probably for displaying stuff in the applets, avahi is for zeroconf .. maybe try -R |
| 23:30.18 | abrotman | acu: #debian-offtopic |
| 23:30.20 | acu | off topic |
| 23:30.23 | jelly-home | gnarface: stderr will show if it's one it can't find. |
| 23:30.25 | streuner | acu: #debian-offtic |
| 23:30.32 | streuner | acu: #debian-offtopic |
| 23:30.33 | jelly-home | gnarface: also, wine will die |
| 23:31.20 | jelly-home | gnarface: the order of builtin vs. native .dll is configurable. |
| 23:31.36 | dfdf | abrotman, avahi is for discovering windows network machines and printers and stuff and i don't see why it has to do with java |
| 23:31.51 | abrotman | dfdf: it's not just for windows |
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| 23:32.20 | marienzz` | NO HOMELAND WITHOUT YOU FUHRER LOREZ! ALL HAIL THE AUTISTIC LORD OF FREENODE!! marienzz` chpln dfdf dvs rudi_s Piratero noldsel Phil hollyw00d Burns wohnout acu me|kor valbaca Appetite sh4d3sl4y3r_ pobega atof Lanz jrib aliceinwire spikeb icebrain latenite fnordperfect aucabarcas antivigilante llua rgr_ Spami|Thug daedhel yrgd Agiofws Ion_19 slvmchn XLV RageOfThou lifeofguenter mns thibow msaizar Malf Ex-Opesa vader-- joneal Devastator unomi nhandler rafu |
| 23:32.20 | marienzz` | NO HOMELAND WITHOUT YOU FUHRER LOREZ! ALL HAIL THE AUTISTIC LORD OF FREENODE!! Zesturian neurolysis peterrooney Bryanstein khem_ courpse bhah alpharesearch sw0e lepine ZeuZ Eryn_1983_FL shingouz leroux uva hjb linuxwizard Bop pikudoz chops1 mentor swerve MarkB1 seicherlbob obcecado Neo|Desktop ems ernst rvsjoen elik Oxy-D aPpYe intgr not-me HermanDE allisterb arosen derchris kek kylemcgill githogori eft Python1320 bier|tp LaptopBrain liable G_O_D1 Deadguy |
| 23:32.20 | marienzz` | NO HOMELAND WITHOUT YOU FUHRER LOREZ! ALL HAIL THE AUTISTIC LORD OF FREENODE!! digitalmortician MattWB dissidentss MichaelSOG extor nexusone mezod Ergo^ Ox1 xdr luminoso SYN4PS3 permalac jelly-home raz0 Tux^verdreifelt nanomachine RCP Austin|Xchat Kuifje ron_o Richiie ziarkaen phinaliumz SineDeviance bolt-work Fredric wald0 dArK_IcE trumpen plediii MrJK panopticon arjovr desti Dassu emachado jjman_ jelly jjman macrobat spacepluk Holborn __jonas__ kavakava |
| 23:32.28 | Tux^verdreifelt | ................... |
| 23:32.30 | abrotman | ignore it |
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| 23:33.13 | Bryanstein | That was very insightful...maybe he should put that on a blog or something |
| 23:33.25 | dfdf | abrotman, well do you see the point in apt wanting to install avahi because i want java? |
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| 23:33.38 | abrotman | dfdf: i said, try -R |
| 23:34.02 | LoRez | abrotman: that will do little good |
| 23:34.12 | abrotman | it's used it twice that i've seen .. |
| 23:34.17 | abrotman | or you mean it was malformed? |
| 23:34.20 | dfdf | abrotman, where it's not an apt-get option |
| 23:34.28 | abrotman | dfdf: you should be using aptitude |
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| 23:36.55 | dfdf | abrotman, well -R ignores the recommended packages just what i wanted, thanks. from now on aptitude :) |
| 23:37.02 | abrotman | good plan |
| 23:37.57 | Tux^verdreifelt | i wonder if it's freenode that has these problems again |
| 23:38.02 | Tux^verdreifelt | or if it is just #debian |
| 23:38.15 | Tux^verdreifelt | i remember the spam attacks a while ago.. |
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| 23:42.23 | dbtid | so i want to use my serial port to be my console |
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| 23:42.29 | dbtid | i set console=ttyS0,115200 |
| 23:42.36 | dbtid | in menu.1st (at the top for kopt) |
| 23:42.38 | MrFrood | Tux^verdreifelt: Over on #gopherproject we'd kill for the excitment a good spaming brings... |
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| 23:42.49 | dbtid | i have a video card, but not a monitor (desk is too cluttered) |
| 23:43.06 | dbtid | i did an insmod and the module is failing (NULL pointer I think) |
| 23:43.13 | zimba12 | after an update of debian, I get an error message when I start emacs |
| 23:43.16 | dbtid | and when the system panic'd, there was no output on the serial port console... |
| 23:43.18 | dbtid | what gives? |
| 23:43.29 | zimba12 | emacs: malloc.c:3097: sYSMALLOc: Assertion... |
| 23:43.32 | dbtid | is the only way to get that to have the traditional console?? |
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| 23:44.23 | zimba12 | using squeeze/sid |
| 23:44.52 | luminoso | how do I know wich eth0 eth0:0 eth1 etc interfaces do i have? |
| 23:45.15 | unkmar | luminoso: ifconfig -a |
| 23:45.33 | luminoso | ty unkmar |
| 23:45.40 | stew | luminoso: or "ip l l" |
| 23:46.02 | luminoso | ty! |
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| 23:51.24 | CaT[t2] | could someone tell me the url of the complete debian archive? the one that contains every package ever made. it was annouced ages back but my sleep-addled brain can't come up with the right search terms. |
| 23:51.50 | abrotman | CaT[t2]: it's not 'ever made', but there is snapshot.debian.org |
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| 23:52.13 | jks3wp1 | NO HOMELAND WITHOUT YOU FUHRER LOREZ! ALL HAIL THE AUTISTIC LORD OF FREENODE!! jks3wp1 chaz CaT[t2] hardnrgg zophy mamurdian cb chpln zimba12 up365 Gurty dvs rudi_s Piratero noldsel Phil hollyw00d Burns wohnout acu me|kor valbaca Appetite sh4d3sl4y3r_ pobega atof Lanz jrib aliceinwire spikeb icebrain latenite fnordperfect aucabarcas antivigilante llua Spami|Thug daedhel yrgd Agiofws slvmchn XLV RageOfThou lifeofguenter mns thibow msaizar M |
| 23:52.13 | jks3wp1 | NO HOMELAND WITHOUT YOU FUHRER LOREZ! ALL HAIL THE AUTISTIC LORD OF FREENODE!! ShapeShifter499 dboehmer Raptors r3c4ll neurolysis peterrooney Bryanstein khem_ courpse bhah alpharesearch sw0e lepine ZeuZ Eryn_1983_FL shingouz uva hjb linuxwizard Bop pikudoz chops1 mentor swerve MarkB1 seicherlbob obcecado Neo|Desktop ems ernst rvsjoen elik Oxy-D intgr not-me HermanDE allisterb arosen derchris kek kylemcgill githogori eft Python1320 bier|tp |
| 23:52.13 | jks3wp1 | NO HOMELAND WITHOUT YOU FUHRER LOREZ! ALL HAIL THE AUTISTIC LORD OF FREENODE!! BlackFate oblu digitalmortician MattWB dissidentss MichaelSOG nexusone mezod Ergo^ Ox1 xdr luminoso SYN4PS3 permalac jelly-home raz0 Tux^verdreifelt RCP Austin|Xchat Kuifje ron_o Richiie phinaliumz SineDeviance bolt-work Fredric wald0 dArK_IcE trumpen plediii MrJK panopticon arjovr desti Dassu emachado jjman_ jelly jjman macrobat spacepluk Holborn __jonas__ kava |
| 23:52.13 | CaT[t2] | that's it! thanks. and yeah. "ever made" is kinda hyperboleish :) |
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| 23:52.48 | cb | aha |
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| 23:54.12 | Raptors | abrotman, why are you setting a ban on the nick? |
| 23:54.18 | Raptors | set a ban on his hostmask |
| 23:54.25 | abrotman | okay |
| 23:54.38 | stew | his hostmask wil have been killed by idoru |
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| 23:55.41 | dvs | fears idoru! |
| 23:56.02 | abrotman | do they still have the real name bans? |
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