| 00:00.20 | macrobat | i guess they are prioritizing the squeeze release |
| 00:00.27 | bronaugh | yup. |
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| 00:01.09 | bronaugh | http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/linux-2.6/news/20100906T162637Z.html |
| 00:01.10 | bronaugh | yay. |
| 00:01.43 | macrobat | maybe i should go for a 4kb sector drive when i get a new one |
| 00:02.10 | CaT[t2] | i plan on touching them when they stop lieing about their sector sizes. |
| 00:02.32 | bronaugh | macrobat: looks scary as shit right now. |
| 00:02.41 | abrotman | bronaugh: for squeeze? |
| 00:02.42 | bronaugh | macrobat: I'm playing with two 3TB drives right now; going to try and break them. |
| 00:02.48 | CaT[t2] | more annoying really. |
| 00:03.07 | bronaugh | CaT[t2]: true 4kb will make a lot of things explode. |
| 00:03.15 | bronaugh | what we're dealing with right now can be solved trivially by alignment. |
| 00:03.23 | CaT[t2] | bro: I'd like to see an on/off switch for that. |
| 00:03.27 | smhar | hi again |
| 00:03.34 | bronaugh | CaT[t2]: sure. it would be neat. |
| 00:03.38 | bronaugh | will it happen? haha. |
| 00:03.40 | bronaugh | doubt it. |
| 00:03.45 | CaT[t2] | bro: yeah. :/ |
| 00:03.53 | bronaugh | Windows does apparently do it right as of Vista/7 |
| 00:03.54 | CaT[t2] | had his 4k drive misaligned. performance sucked hard. |
| 00:04.06 | bronaugh | CaT[t2]: size? |
| 00:04.08 | macrobat | i have read some disk say 512 on the stickers, but are 4k |
| 00:04.25 | bronaugh | macrobat: yeah; there's an ATA-8 command to enquire as to the actual physical sector size |
| 00:04.38 | bronaugh | as opposed to the sector size that's normally exposed. |
| 00:04.40 | CaT[t2] | bro: 1tb |
| 00:04.56 | bronaugh | CaT[t2]: ah. I've got two of the phantom Seagate Barracuda XT 3T drives. |
| 00:05.07 | bronaugh | just got them today. |
| 00:05.09 | CaT[t2] | went in partitioning it with a calculator at hand. that helped, but was deeply annoying. |
| 00:05.12 | CaT[t2] | nice |
| 00:05.16 | smhar | I have been suffering a strange problem with my HUAWEI 3g internet usb device. I use it with 2 computers, both running updated squeeze. the desktop has no problem of being connected for days. the notebook can not stay connected for more than a couple of hours and many times less than 2 minutes. it JUST disconnects. |
| 00:05.22 | bronaugh | yeah... so putting them in raid0 then beating the crap out of them. |
| 00:05.24 | macrobat | 4kb sectors work in linux without problems, right? it's just an issue for old windows versions? |
| 00:05.28 | bronaugh | if they don't fall on their ass we buy another 11 of them. |
| 00:05.47 | bronaugh | macrobat: bs :) |
| 00:05.53 | bronaugh | it's a problem for every OS |
| 00:05.53 | CaT[t2] | 11? nice :) I'm a beat weary of seagate since they bought maxtor. |
| 00:06.13 | bronaugh | we're running 30 of the 1.5T drives. |
| 00:06.17 | bronaugh | 0 failures. |
| 00:06.17 | CaT[t2] | macro: they work well if you align the lieing bastards right. if you don't, prepare to weep. |
| 00:06.18 | smhar | I tried booting the kernel with acpi=off noacpi apic=off . but it still disconnect |
| 00:06.19 | bronaugh | so I'm happy. |
| 00:07.09 | smhar | TheMechanic, I followed your advice you gave me yesterday and did :"try to reboot disabling acpi and apic , then echo 4096 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/neigh/default/gc_thresh1 to get over the neighboring ip entries creation, plug in the device, was 2-3 minutes then connect. while connected, do something like tail -f /var/log/messages and watch closely what is happening..... *wait 2-3 minutes* " |
| 00:07.30 | macrobat | ok, i better read up on new hdds :D |
| 00:07.41 | smhar | still it disconnects, here is the message log: http://paste.debian.net/88725/ |
| 00:08.36 | bronaugh | CaT[t2]: yeah, that's what I gathered from my reading. |
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| 00:10.56 | bint | if i have some files on my harddisk stored in /etc/test/ and later i mount /dev/sda2 into /etc/test/ |
| 00:11.07 | bint | will it add the content of sda2 to that directory |
| 00:11.11 | bint | or will it somehow replace it |
| 00:11.22 | CaT[t2] | no. it'll overlay it until you umount. |
| 00:11.33 | TheMechanic | did you also pass the acpi=off noapic to the kernel? |
| 00:11.37 | TheMechanic | smhar: |
| 00:11.44 | bint | ah ok thx |
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| 00:13.59 | sedstapler | How would you visualize a sound's waveform and spectrogram, automatically? |
| 00:14.27 | sedstapler | Audacity can do both but AFAIK only manually, not scriptable in a headless program. |
| 00:15.23 | smhar | I added acpi=off noacpi apic=off to the kernel at boot menu (grub menu > edit line > add parameters > ctrl +X to boot) |
| 00:15.31 | smhar | TheMechanic, |
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| 00:16.14 | TheMechanic | well |
| 00:16.28 | TheMechanic | I would be tempted to tinker with the driver, change the code to log events |
| 00:16.42 | TheMechanic | but that could have some serious side effects |
| 00:17.03 | TheMechanic | so maybe you can first contact the mailing list and post the question , see if it is a known issue |
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| 00:17.55 | TheMechanic | there is a binary out there which seems to dump some useful info but since it is a binary only( I can't find the source) I wouldnt run it on my machine but if you could find the source you might be able to modify it |
| 00:17.58 | TheMechanic | good luck |
| 00:20.03 | smhar | TheMechanic, dead end :-( |
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| 00:21.38 | smhar | TheMechanic, so you think this is a kernel issue? driver issue? |
| 00:22.07 | TheMechanic | I think it is power management or firmware issue |
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| 00:22.17 | TheMechanic | did you check for any idle timeout settings? |
| 00:22.47 | TheMechanic | also go into /sys and find the device and see what is in its /sys directory that can be helpful |
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| 00:23.39 | TheMechanic | hold on |
| 00:23.58 | TheMechanic | I found a k3565 rev2 huwai modem |
| 00:23.59 | smhar | the power management was disabled at boot and the firmware is the same when I use the device with my desktop which also runs squeeze but it does not disconnect at all ! |
| 00:24.06 | TheMechanic | I am plugging it in |
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| 00:24.38 | TheMechanic | how do you know for sure if the power management is disabled |
| 00:24.45 | TheMechanic | did you try to do any power management op ? |
| 00:24.49 | smhar | TheMechanic, where to check for those idle timeout settings? |
| 00:25.18 | smhar | TheMechanic, by shutting them off at the kernel during the boot? |
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| 00:26.22 | TheMechanic | no that would be in wvdial.conf |
| 00:26.28 | TheMechanic | the timeouts that is |
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| 00:28.28 | smhar | TheMechanic, wvdial.conf http://paste.debian.net/88729/ |
| 00:29.24 | TheMechanic | ok |
| 00:29.37 | TheMechanic | so there is a file called autosuspend in the /sys directory for usb devices |
| 00:29.50 | TheMechanic | this is probably the key to this problem |
| 00:30.27 | TheMechanic | this is a snippet of my dmesg |
| 00:30.28 | TheMechanic | [12245.495874] usb 2-1: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 3 |
| 00:30.28 | TheMechanic | [12245.740880] usb 2-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice |
| 00:31.38 | TheMechanic | smhar: can you run lsusb and paste the output |
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| 00:37.43 | TheMechanic | I am guessing smhar was disconnected again |
| 00:38.27 | TheMechanic | so, anyone has any strong feelings about which laptops I should look at if I want something light, fairly power and well supported , and possibly can run android |
| 00:39.13 | bronaugh | laptops that run android? |
| 00:39.16 | bronaugh | so you need a touch screen then? |
| 00:40.22 | TheMechanic | no don't need a touch screen |
| 00:40.44 | TheMechanic | I hear samsung is going to release their tablet soon |
| 00:41.01 | bronaugh | uh; android is rather dependent on touch screens last I checked. |
| 00:41.16 | TheMechanic | really?that is lame |
| 00:41.24 | TheMechanic | so well, maybe I ll run minix3 then |
| 00:41.29 | TheMechanic | or just good old debian :) |
| 00:41.37 | abrotman | so why not wait, or ask the android channel? |
| 00:41.55 | TheMechanic | I am asking in the channel :) |
| 00:41.55 | TheMechanic | the android channel |
| 00:42.28 | TheMechanic | I could wait, I am just sort of coming to the conclusion that using a mac for too long had seriously impacted my tinkering |
| 00:43.19 | TheMechanic | when your desktop is linux, you have a new experience or frustration every day :) |
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| 00:54.05 | sedstapler | do you know a C, C++ or Python library that can read samples in a unified format from Ogg, MP3 and FLAC? |
| 00:55.04 | sedstapler | C would be best |
| 00:55.26 | bronaugh | mplayer? |
| 00:55.26 | bronaugh | haha |
| 00:55.36 | sedstapler | an iPod! |
| 00:55.37 | bronaugh | also why bother with a library |
| 00:55.45 | bronaugh | just dump the samples out to some file |
| 00:55.49 | CaT[t2] | sed: try sox |
| 00:55.54 | bronaugh | sox sux |
| 00:57.03 | sedstapler | bronaugh: i want to analyze audio and also need to know various metadata. it could come as 16-bit, 44.1 kHz Ogg or 24-bit, 96 kHz FLAC, mono or stereo, etc... |
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| 00:57.19 | bronaugh | yeah. mplayer will dump to whatever format you want. |
| 00:57.39 | bronaugh | so will transcode. |
| 00:57.43 | sedstapler | i don't want to resample anything |
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| 00:57.55 | bronaugh | uh you do realize you're talking about MP3s and Oggs right? |
| 00:58.07 | sedstapler | of course |
| 00:58.08 | bronaugh | which are based on psychoacoustic models... |
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| 00:58.35 | sedstapler | yeah i know they have to be decoded but the FLACs shouldn't be resamples for example. I want the exact samples. |
| 00:58.38 | bronaugh | anyhow. it won't get resampled. |
| 00:58.39 | sedstapler | *resampled |
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| 00:59.38 | sedstapler | is mplayer able to dump arbitrary sample rates like 88.2 kHz? |
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| 01:00.08 | wooden | when i try to suspend to s3 my screen goes black, print "device usb3 failed to freeze", then pops back to X. is it possible to discard the state of uncooperative system components like this and force suspend to work? |
| 01:00.12 | bronaugh | mplayer -ao pcm:file=somefile.wav:fast file.mp3 |
| 01:00.41 | bint | is it possible to set a password for sda2 so if someone wants to mount it he would have to enter a password first? |
| 01:01.11 | gnarface | bint: i'm not sure but you might want to check into truecrypt? |
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| 01:01.26 | bint | nah i mean just by default |
| 01:01.28 | AzMoo | Hi guys. I'm trying to set up a debian box as a router. I've got 2 interfaces, eth0 and eth1, I've enabled ip_forward in the kernel and I've got the routes set up, but I can't seem to route traffic through the box. |
| 01:01.30 | bint | not with any software |
| 01:02.32 | gnarface | AzMoo: i think you need to set up an iptables rule too |
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| 01:03.08 | AzMoo | gnarface: I thought iptables masquerading was only for NAT. I want to be able to go both ways. |
| 01:03.23 | gnarface | you'd need it to bridge as well, i'm pretty sure |
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| 01:04.20 | sedstapler | bronaugh: that resamples to 48 kHz |
| 01:04.28 | abrotman | you don't need to bridge |
| 01:04.35 | bronaugh | sedstapler: does it? |
| 01:04.38 | sedstapler | bronaugh: yes |
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| 01:04.51 | bronaugh | I presume you've tested that. |
| 01:04.54 | abrotman | AzMoo: you're going to have to provide us with your interfaces file and your route output at least .. possibly more |
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| 01:05.10 | sedstapler | bronaugh: of course |
| 01:05.13 | bronaugh | sedstapler: how about transcode? |
| 01:05.30 | sedstapler | "<bronaugh> anyhow. it won't get resampled." |
| 01:05.42 | AzMoo | abrotman: OK, give me a moment, I'll pastebin. |
| 01:06.03 | bronaugh | sedstapler: yup. wrong. |
| 01:06.15 | unkmar | AzMoo: I have suceeding in doing that... but it is generally a better idea to use a distro geared towards being nothing more than a firewall/router. |
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| 01:07.15 | unkmar | AzMoo: my internet sharing setup is half baked. |
| 01:07.51 | unkmar | I only did it because I needed tftpd, and pxe setup for netboot installs. |
| 01:08.02 | abrotman | it really doesn't matter which distro you use as long as you're willing to learn |
| 01:08.04 | abrotman | !netfilter |
| 01:08.04 | dpkg | [iptables] The user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: <masq>, or try #netfilter (irc.freenode.net) for help, or for a proper Debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://wiki.debian.org/iptables |
| 01:08.18 | gnarface | AzMoo: i do all this with pf and openbsd mostly due to my failure to figure out how to work iptables :( |
| 01:08.51 | unkmar | yeah, and I haven't been in the mood to learn how to do it without a pretty web interface to manage it. |
| 01:08.51 | peterrooney | abrotman: who's using 2.4 still? |
| 01:09.11 | abrotman | they just didn't change it? |
| 01:11.35 | gnarface | woops... whatever that was it didn't work |
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| 01:12.30 | rhys | is there a tool where I can do a more in depth search of the debian package repository? I want to find all packages that provide "mta" |
| 01:12.46 | abrotman | you mean 'mail-transport-agent' ? |
| 01:13.09 | gnarface | ooh i wanna know how to do that too |
| 01:13.39 | TheMechanic | smhar: are you back? |
| 01:13.42 | AzMoo | Did my pastebin links come through? I got disconnected. |
| 01:13.48 | abrotman | nope |
| 01:13.52 | AzMoo | OK, here's my interfaces file: http://dpaste.com/240767/ and here's the output of route: http://dpaste.com/240768/ |
| 01:14.12 | rhys | abrotman! wonderful first #debian answer, to correct my question |
| 01:14.17 | rhys | how i've missed you |
| 01:14.19 | rhys | :D |
| 01:14.53 | abrotman | AzMoo: sorry, should have said 'route -n' |
| 01:15.30 | abrotman | rhys: debtags and i believe grep-dctrl |
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| 01:15.51 | abrotman | debtags assumes the package has been tagged correctly |
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| 01:16.18 | stew | rhys: aptitude search '~Pmail-transport-agent' |
| 01:16.21 | AzMoo | abrotman: http://dpaste.com/240768/ OK try this one :) |
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| 01:16.29 | abrotman | or that! |
| 01:16.31 | gnarface | AzMoo: that's the firewall machine, or your desktop? |
| 01:16.47 | abrotman | AzMoo: and what about it doesn't work |
| 01:16.50 | yardleydobon | Is it possible for Linux to differentiate two virtually identical USB devices? |
| 01:17.02 | rhys | stew, that doesn't return anything |
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| 01:17.15 | stew | rhys: hmm, it does here |
| 01:17.15 | AzMoo | That's the firewall machine. I'm attempting to get from 50.50.50.1 to 192.168.28.141. The router machine can access both machines, but it's not routing traffic between them. |
| 01:17.46 | unkmar | yardleydobon: yes, it usually can. |
| 01:17.47 | abrotman | rhys: which version of debian are you on ? |
| 01:18.08 | yardleydobon | unkmar, how? |
| 01:18.09 | rhys | caught me. understood. |
| 01:18.22 | AzMoo | sorry, that should be 192.168.1.140, not 141. |
| 01:18.25 | gnarface | AzMoo: i'm confused. how come the gateway is an internal ip? |
| 01:18.46 | AzMoo | gnarface: It's all internal networking. |
| 01:18.55 | gnarface | OH |
| 01:19.01 | AzMoo | gnarface: This is an isolated network :) |
| 01:19.07 | gnarface | hmm. |
| 01:19.23 | gnarface | you should use actual internal addresses just for kosher-ness |
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| 01:20.00 | gnarface | if there's no public connection that's not the problem though, i wouldn't think |
| 01:20.29 | AzMoo | No, I'm fairly sure the addresses aren't the problem. |
| 01:20.38 | abrotman | guesses that means rhys wasn't on debian ? |
| 01:20.41 | gnarface | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_network rfc1918 sets aside three specific address ranges for private networks though |
| 01:21.01 | rhys | abrotman, very true. |
| 01:21.08 | gnarface | 192.168 falls within one, but 50.* does NOT |
| 01:21.29 | abrotman | rhys: well, check your aptitude docs, the other two methods i mentioned may or may not work on your debian-based system .. have fun! |
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| 01:22.12 | rhys | abrotman, i'm doing that now. dctrl-tools seems very useful. |
| 01:22.24 | AzMoo | gnarface: yea, the 50.50.50 was just a random address. |
| 01:22.26 | abrotman | rhys: bye now :) |
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| 01:22.57 | rhys | abrotman, you know, I argued with you...probably 5 years ago. I still tell stories about #debian on freenode. |
| 01:23.16 | rhys | i see nothing has changed. |
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| 01:23.32 | rhys | not that i'm complaining. I appreciate the help. |
| 01:24.51 | bronaugh | uh, I don't see anything to complain about here. |
| 01:25.18 | AzMoo | gnarface, abrotman: So aside from the odd addressing scheme, I can't see any reason this shouldn't work. It's incredibly simple. I'm wondering if perhaps it's something in the switches. |
| 01:26.30 | rhys | AzMoo, whats broken? |
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| 01:27.35 | rhys | AzMoo, have you checked cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 01:27.42 | AzMoo | rhys: yep, it's enabled. |
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| 01:28.51 | gnarface | AzMoo: so you got all the 50.50.50.* computers plugged into a switch plugged into eth1 and all the 192.168.28.* computers plugged into a switch plugged into eth0? |
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| 01:30.08 | AzMoo | gnarface: yeah, it's just 3 boxes though. |
| 01:30.14 | ceduardo | helo. |
| 01:30.21 | AzMoo | Both networks can talk to the router, neither can talk to each other. |
| 01:31.18 | AzMoo | Bummer, being called into a meeting. I'll see if I can find different hardware and test. Thanks for looking. |
| 01:31.33 | gnarface | AzMoo: you have the 50.50.50.* computers set to use eth1's address as their default gateway and the 192.168.* computers set to use eth0's address as their default gateway? |
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| 01:33.14 | rhys | abrotman, for the record, we do our mission critical things on debian stable, our operation critical things on Ubuntu LTS, and everything else on the newest Ubuntu server. Save for this one CentOS box the windows admin built, we run an entirely .deb shop. So I appreciate the .deb environment, and like to think the packaging system is the same across all of them. |
| 01:34.12 | abrotman | didn't think there was an argument ? |
| 01:36.09 | gnarface | rhys: the packaging system IS the same but that doesn't mean the contents, versions or directory structure of said contents *in* the packages are - it's a dangerously easy mistake to make with ubuntu especially |
| 01:36.32 | rhys | I don't think its an argument. Just an explanation against the "hi, you use ubuntu, go to hell." |
| 01:36.45 | gnarface | snorts malt liquor out his nose |
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| 01:36.49 | rhys | gnarface, very true, and I've seen the mistakes Canonical makes. |
| 01:37.03 | abrotman | rhys: i didn't say any such thing, i just asked which version of Debian you were on ... you gave yourself up |
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| 01:37.28 | PF | Hi All, what would cause this with respect to a interface card "TX packets:41822 errors:400026 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:400026" |
| 01:37.38 | rhys | I'm not gonna lie to you, I'm currently logged into an 8.04 box. |
| 01:37.46 | PF | The RX side is clean |
| 01:38.00 | gnarface | PF: is the cable plugged in? |
| 01:38.06 | PF | O, yes |
| 01:38.10 | PF | Indeed |
| 01:38.11 | abrotman | rhys: okay, so you got your answer i think .. EoD ? |
| 01:38.36 | PF | I'm testing via ftp, but the transfer rate is slow |
| 01:38.54 | gnarface | PF: hand made cable or commercial? is this between two machines on an internal networks? |
| 01:39.08 | PF | commercial |
| 01:39.31 | PF | both machines are on the same VLAN and switch |
| 01:39.47 | gnarface | just out of curiosity, is this a 3COM vlan? |
| 01:39.55 | gnarface | er, 3com switch, that is? |
| 01:39.56 | TheMechanic | is the interface set to auto or is the speed and duplex set manually? |
| 01:40.01 | PF | no, Cisco switch |
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| 01:40.18 | PF | Auto, on both sides and switch |
| 01:40.31 | gnarface | that was gonna be my next question - what do the link speeds auto-detect to and does the detected link speed match what the cards are physically capable of? |
| 01:40.34 | rhys | PF, i would switch out the machine/switch something until you can figure out what piece it is. |
| 01:40.41 | rhys | then go from there |
| 01:41.11 | TheMechanic | if you can suspend your transfer, or wait till it is done |
| 01:41.36 | TheMechanic | you could try to determine whether the error rates are specific to an app or a machine |
| 01:41.51 | PF | Well, I have installed Solairs 10, FreeBSD 8.1 and Debian 5.0.6 on the same hardware (a Sunfire V100) |
| 01:41.58 | TheMechanic | also, does this chipset support mii-diag? |
| 01:42.18 | TheMechanic | on the same box?or on the same class hardware? |
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| 01:43.19 | PF | I tested the transfer rate between the Solaris 10 and FreeBSD box and the transfer rate is as expected, but between the Solaris 10 and the Debian boexes the transfer rate is about 1/100 of that of the orhter combo |
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| 01:43.40 | TheMechanic | ok |
| 01:43.47 | TheMechanic | and between freebsd and debian? |
| 01:44.12 | PF | So i'm thniking it might be a interface driver issue....just need some feedback |
| 01:44.33 | PF | same class of server hardware |
| 01:44.37 | TheMechanic | more data is needed ... |
| 01:44.53 | TheMechanic | what happens if you transfer something between freebsd and debian? |
| 01:44.55 | PF | just the OS-es are different |
| 01:45.10 | TheMechanic | and , does it matter if you use ftp or ssh?or is the performance horrible with both? |
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| 01:45.41 | PF | <TheMechanic> what happens if you transfer something between freebsd and debian?, it's about 1/100-th of the Solaris 10 to FreebSD |
| 01:46.05 | PF | <TheMechanic> and , does it matter if you use ftp or ssh?or is the performance horrible with both?, no, its the same |
| 01:47.39 | PF | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:47.48 | TheMechanic | PF: and what about debian/solaris, have you tried that too? |
| 01:48.14 | TheMechanic | is there anything related to the NIC in /var/log/messages? |
| 01:48.17 | PF | <TheMechanic> PF: and what about debian/solaris, have you tried that too? ... Yes, its slow as well |
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| 01:48.46 | TheMechanic | if youa re not doing any transfers, and just ping or do a transfer of a file from/to the same host |
| 01:48.50 | TheMechanic | i.e ftp to localhost |
| 01:49.29 | PF | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:49.39 | TheMechanic | which network module is this using? |
| 01:49.40 | PF | let me try that test |
| 01:49.55 | PF | Do you mean the chipset? |
| 01:49.56 | TheMechanic | and , did you confirm your routing is sane? |
| 01:50.03 | PF | Routing is good |
| 01:50.35 | TheMechanic | well chipset is good to know but more importantly which driver is loaded for that chipset |
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| 01:51.28 | PF | The driver is "tulip" |
| 01:51.46 | TheMechanic | oh |
| 01:51.53 | PF | WIth the dmfe driver nothing works |
| 01:52.04 | dvs | that's old |
| 01:52.08 | TheMechanic | tulip is an ancient driver |
| 01:52.11 | TheMechanic | and is not a gig |
| 01:52.11 | PF | Using the tulip dirver is the work-around |
| 01:52.52 | abrotman | some of those old tulip cards are pretty flaky now |
| 01:53.07 | TheMechanic | the card is not tulip , only the driver is |
| 01:53.10 | abrotman | replaced all of his around sarge or so |
| 01:53.24 | abrotman | TheMechanic: yes .. right, i stopped using cards that used tulip or de4x5 drivers |
| 01:53.27 | TheMechanic | PF : can you run mii-tool -v whateveryourinterface is |
| 01:53.40 | PF | ok, hold on |
| 01:54.06 | dvs | looks for his 3Com 905 card |
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| 01:55.25 | l0rd_hex | hey guys, I need some help ASAP, does any one know of a livecd type deal contained in a initrd + kernel? |
| 01:55.38 | l0rd_hex | I need to boot ir from lilo |
| 01:55.42 | l0rd_hex | *it |
| 01:56.03 | l0rd_hex | also, I've run out of coffee |
| 01:56.12 | gnarface | why not just use a livecd? |
| 01:56.52 | l0rd_hex | long story, only thing I have is a pre-existing red hat install to work with |
| 01:57.03 | l0rd_hex | there is a nic to netboot.. perhaps g-pxe |
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| 01:57.06 | TheMechanic | can you boot off the cd?then use a livecd |
| 01:57.20 | TheMechanic | well |
| 01:57.22 | l0rd_hex | but I was hoping to find a initrd style solution |
| 01:57.31 | l0rd_hex | I suppose I could mount the iso and copy the stuff off |
| 01:57.32 | TheMechanic | you can always use... floppies ! |
| 01:57.32 | Dewi | l0rd_hex: that sounds way more complicated than USB or CD |
| 01:57.33 | l0rd_hex | but |
| 01:57.41 | l0rd_hex | yes, no usb and no cdrom |
| 01:57.56 | l0rd_hex | no floppy even |
| 01:57.57 | Dewi | l0rd_hex: debootstrap? |
| 01:57.58 | gnarface | l0rd_hex: what is the problem you are trying to fix? just that its redhat, or does the old system not boot? |
| 01:57.59 | TheMechanic | copy it off what? |
| 01:58.08 | TheMechanic | I mean copy it off to what then? |
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| 01:58.14 | TheMechanic | if you dont have cd or usb or floppies |
| 01:58.21 | TheMechanic | sounds like your only choice is pxe |
| 01:58.23 | l0rd_hex | gnarface: I'm trying to boot up a live cd kinda deal so I can use dd to make a copy of the hard drive |
| 01:58.30 | TheMechanic | PF: eth0: negotiated 100baseTx-FD, link ok product info: vendor 00:60:6e, model 4 rev 0 basic mode: autonegotiation enabled basic status: autonegotiation complete, link ok capabilities: 100baseTx-FD 100baseTx-HD 10baseT-FD 10baseT-HD advertising: 100baseTx-FD 100baseTx-HD 10baseT-FD 10baseT-HD link partner: 100baseTx-FD 100baseTx-HD 10baseT-FD 10baseT-HD |
| 01:58.42 | TheMechanic | PF: that right there is 1/10th of the speed |
| 01:58.45 | Dewi | l0rd_hex: are you using LVM? |
| 01:58.47 | l0rd_hex | there must be an initrd solution though.. like someone must make one right? |
| 01:58.57 | Dewi | l0rd_hex: if you have free extents you can take a snapshot |
| 01:59.03 | TheMechanic | now, I bet you if you look in /var/log/messages, there will be checksum errors and other nastiness |
| 01:59.05 | l0rd_hex | Dewi: no, but it is on a scsi raid card |
| 01:59.18 | Xenguy | l0rd_hex: have you seen 'clonezilla' ? |
| 01:59.21 | gnarface | l0rd_hex: you could chroot into a ramdisk then install debian there :-D |
| 01:59.21 | abrotman | l0rd_hex: what is the host system ? |
| 01:59.36 | l0rd_hex | abrotman: like arch? it's an i386 |
| 01:59.38 | JairunCaloth | holy jebus |
| 01:59.47 | l0rd_hex | Xenguy: no.. what is it? |
| 01:59.48 | JairunCaloth | aptitude just wanted to remove about 40 packages |
| 01:59.53 | abrotman | l0rd_hex: the OS |
| 02:00.13 | TheMechanic | is your machine not bootable in multi user mode? |
| 02:00.14 | Xenguy | l0rd_hex: tool for cloning hard drives (if that is what you are trying to do - just got here :-) |
| 02:00.16 | l0rd_hex | abrotman: it's a specialized red hat install.. looks like 6.2 |
| 02:00.28 | TheMechanic | l0rd_hex: |
| 02:00.31 | l0rd_hex | Xenguy: thanks but cloning isn't my issue |
| 02:00.37 | Xenguy | l0rd_hex: K, sorry |
| 02:00.49 | abrotman | l0rd_hex: so why are you asking #debian? |
| 02:01.05 | Dewi | l0rd_hex: could you mount root readonly with a kernel boot parameter? |
| 02:01.11 | l0rd_hex | abrotman: I like debian, and I was hoping someone knew of a debian ramdisk/livecd type thing in a initrd |
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| 02:01.33 | l0rd_hex | Dewi: that's a good idea.. I'll give that a shot |
| 02:01.37 | nyRednek | l0rd_hex: you can always install with debootstrap |
| 02:01.38 | TheMechanic | l0rd_hex: you can rip it off the install iso |
| 02:01.39 | abrotman | l0rd_hex: Debian has only one liveCD .. you perhaps should ask ##linux or check the http://www.debian.org/misc/children-distros |
| 02:02.02 | l0rd_hex | TheMechanic: yeah I was thinking that, mount the iso and grab what I need |
| 02:02.05 | nyRednek | l0rd_hex: that's how i got mine up |
| 02:02.45 | Dewi | nyRednek: can you umount the original root during debootstrap tho? |
| 02:02.51 | l0rd_hex | nyRednek: yeah, I use that for my SheevaPLug but i was hoping there was already a preconfigured one out there :) |
| 02:02.52 | TheMechanic | is your plan to copy the drive content off the network once you boot? |
| 02:03.03 | l0rd_hex | TheMechanic: yeah to a NFS server |
| 02:03.03 | abrotman | How is this related to Debian ? |
| 02:03.22 | l0rd_hex | abrotman: everyone knows debian users are the smartest :) |
| 02:03.34 | TheMechanic | l0rd_hex: go buy a 1TB drive, take out the old drive and put it in a golden box and install on the new drive |
| 02:03.36 | TheMechanic | :) |
| 02:03.39 | nyRednek | Dewi: no, you just gotta reboot to get rid of original root |
| 02:03.40 | abrotman | that does NOT make this the right place to ask .. this channel is for Debian users .. |
| 02:03.51 | l0rd_hex | TheMechanic: no physical access to the box :| |
| 02:03.51 | abrotman | l0rd_hex: please take this to a more appropriate channel, thank you |
| 02:04.00 | TheMechanic | but.. if that machine is running RH 6.2 ... that must be some really old hardware |
| 02:04.05 | l0rd_hex | abrotman: chill out bro |
| 02:04.16 | abrotman | l0rd_hex: take it somewhere else |
| 02:04.18 | l0rd_hex | or brah |
| 02:04.19 | TheMechanic | what is the goal exactly?save the content?setup a fresh new install? |
| 02:04.19 | nyRednek | TheMechanic: i got squeeze running on a pII |
| 02:04.31 | l0rd_hex | TheMechanic: save the contents |
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| 02:04.59 | abrotman | l0rd_hex: please take this somewhere else, your conversation is not Debian related, you've been silenced for 10 minutes |
| 02:05.22 | TheMechanic | nyRednek: sure, good for you and I got shit running on E420s and soekris boards, but if I had to do a fresh install of squeeze I would be going to bigger iron |
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| 02:06.08 | TheMechanic | l0rd_hex: yeah, any of the live cds could be gutted for an initrd, good luck man |
| 02:06.10 | nyRednek | TheMechanic: why? this machine seems to be working fine with squeeze |
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| 02:07.32 | TheMechanic | what does it do? |
| 02:07.36 | TheMechanic | a firewall? |
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| 02:07.50 | nyRednek | TheMechanic: my primary desktop |
| 02:08.40 | TheMechanic | cool, I hope you are enjoying it |
| 02:08.41 | HTT-Bird | abrotman, do you think I should put a bugreport in (if there isn't one already) about Wireshark's privilege separation being disabled by default due to the packaging? |
| 02:08.49 | nyRednek | TheMechanic: works fine |
| 02:09.02 | abrotman | HTT-Bird: you can, is it a technical bug or a wishlist bug? |
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| 02:09.51 | HTT-Bird | abrotman, it's a "package configuration forces you to run all of wireshark as root or do 'by-hand' privilege separation unless you fix it manually" bug :) |
| 02:10.16 | TheMechanic | sounds wishlist |
| 02:10.18 | abrotman | i'd imagine there is already a bug, but obviously double check |
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| 02:11.39 | dvs | frosh! |
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| 02:16.56 | PF | TheMechanic, thanks for your help |
| 02:18.44 | TheMechanic | PF: np, is it fixed? |
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| 02:25.46 | johntramp | hi. do any of you use the gecko-mediaplayer plugin for firefox? |
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| 02:27.48 | wooden | my workstation won't suspend with pm-suspend (or any other method). can anyone find an obvious problem in this pm-suspend log? http://paste.debian.net/88748/ |
| 02:29.05 | johntramp | i have it installed, but the sites still tell me i need aditional plugins to play the videos and trys to have me install adobe flash |
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| 02:29.54 | fas3r | hello |
| 02:30.23 | fas3r | can i list which service is launch zhen the computer start ? |
| 02:32.25 | wooden | fas3r: ls /etc/rc2.d |
| 02:32.30 | peterrooney | fas3r: look in /etc/rc2.d/ , and whatever you may have put in rc.local |
| 02:32.43 | fas3r | ok thank both :) |
| 02:32.44 | wooden | fas3r: anything that starts with an S starts at boot (assuming default runlevel in inittab is 2). |
| 02:34.20 | fas3r | what's the role of the file /etc/inittab ? |
| 02:34.30 | fas3r | sorry to disturb with that |
| 02:36.11 | TheMechanic | rc3.d is more appropriate |
| 02:36.26 | wooden | fas3r: i'm sure it does lots of things, but the thing i know it for is setting the default runlevel. that determines which set of /etc/rc#.d scripts run. |
| 02:36.36 | pipegeek | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=inittab |
| 02:36.39 | TheMechanic | cat /etc/inittab and find out your default runlevel, if you boot to a windowed environment then you are running in level 5 |
| 02:36.47 | TheMechanic | multiuser + network is 3 |
| 02:36.51 | peterrooney | fas3r: inittab (init table) tells the OS what programs to start when you change runlevels (in theory, booting counts as changing runlevels) |
| 02:36.51 | stew | TheMechanic: not in debian |
| 02:37.02 | stew | TheMechanic: unless he's gone out of his way to set it up that way |
| 02:37.21 | peterrooney | TheMechanic: grep default /etc/inittab |
| 02:37.51 | TheMechanic | huh interesting |
| 02:38.00 | fas3r | thank for your answer all :) |
| 02:38.03 | peterrooney | this ain't no red hat |
| 02:38.05 | TheMechanic | you are right, default is 2 on my lenny machine |
| 02:38.07 | fas3r | sorry to disturb you |
| 02:38.28 | peterrooney | fas3r: it's an actual debian questioin, nice change of pace! |
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| 02:40.03 | manu_hack | what is zipx format and any chance i can unzip it in debian stable? |
| 02:41.20 | fas3r | manu_hack: in worst case use 7-zip i'm sure you can uncompress it with it |
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| 02:45.42 | manu_hack | ok, thx fas3r |
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| 02:55.39 | newsense | hey i am running squeeze on a fairly fresh install and am having trouble installing apt-listbugs, aptitude wants to remove libept0 as the best option |
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| 02:56.39 | abrotman | newsense: that's correct, let it happen |
| 02:56.51 | abrotman | newsense: sounds like you haven't done a full-upgrade in at least a week |
| 02:57.08 | newsense | abrotman: libept is important though right |
| 02:57.27 | abrotman | dpkg: info libept0 squeeze |
| 02:57.33 | abrotman | it's been replace AFAIR |
| 02:57.37 | abrotman | replaced |
| 02:57.43 | newsense | oh ok |
| 02:58.03 | newsense | i was a little worried about removing it |
| 02:58.16 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libept0 .. see, gone |
| 02:58.57 | newsense | yeah it was my mistake, you were right. i haven't done a full upgrade i guess |
| 02:59.07 | newsense | thank you abrotman |
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| 03:31.12 | Gen0cide | I just aptitude apache2, and the only error i get is |
| 03:31.26 | Gen0cide | "E: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/m/mysql-dfsg-5.0/mysql-common_5.0.51a-24+lenny3_all.deb: 404 Not Found [IP: 149.20.20.6 80]" how can i fix this? |
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| 03:36.16 | AzMoo | gnarface: Just set my routing up using unmanaged switches and suddenly it all works. Looks like the switches were doing some Layer 3 filtering without logging it. Ugh. Thanks for the help. |
| 03:38.40 | Xenguy | Gen0cide: often the solution amounts to just 'waiting' for a bit |
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| 03:39.09 | Gen0cide | heh |
| 03:39.34 | Gen0cide | i did this 2 days ago and got the same error |
| 03:40.20 | gnarface | AzMoo: i don't think that counts as any type of help that could be attributed to me, but you're welcome anyway |
| 03:41.29 | gnarface | Gen0cide: you could try a different source in your apt sources, or you could make sure you ran aptitude update first, or you could try apt-get (you never know, it might work where aptitude fails but probably not) |
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| 03:44.17 | Gen0cide | Hey apt-get worked! |
| 03:44.18 | Gen0cide | lol |
| 03:44.29 | Gen0cide | thanks |
| 03:44.40 | Gen0cide | I thought aptitude was better than the old apt-get |
| 03:44.55 | Xenguy | Gen0cide: that's what they keep telling us =) |
| 03:45.01 | Gen0cide | heh ya. |
| 03:45.20 | Xenguy | Gen0cide: tho recently I read someone is trying to get aptitude removed from squeeze release documentation |
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| 03:45.41 | Xenguy | Gen0cide: I've stuck with apt-get myself and never had any problems so far |
| 03:45.45 | gnarface | suspects that aptitude's superiority is more political than material |
| 03:45.55 | Xenguy | interesting |
| 03:46.59 | Ikarus | gnarface: it's conflict resolution can help for some users |
| 03:47.06 | Xenguy | I might have even tried aptitude, but its search syntax was from left field IMHO |
| 03:47.09 | Gen0cide | Hmm now im having a new problem "Starting web server: apache2 htcacheclean/lib/lsb/init-functions: fork: Cannot allocate memory" |
| 03:47.20 | Gen0cide | damn virtual private server |
| 03:47.39 | Xenguy | Gen0cide: apache config issue? |
| 03:47.52 | cashar | hello I successfully installed ldap and everything runs the way is supposed to, but how can I change the password for the server itself without doing the whole process again? |
| 03:48.48 | Gen0cide | maybe, im going to refresh the server |
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| 03:55.26 | jpinx-eeepc | when I do "ifdown usb0" i get this sh: missing ] |
| 03:55.36 | jpinx-eeepc | anyone able to tell me what's going on? |
| 03:55.44 | HTT-Bird | jpinx-eeepc, what is usb0? |
| 03:55.49 | dondelelcaro | jpinx-eeepc: something is wrong with your interfaces stanza or something the interfaces stanza is calling |
| 03:56.00 | dondelelcaro | jpinx-eeepc: but in a nutshell, somewhere there is a mismatched [] |
| 03:56.39 | jpinx-eeepc | goes to look in network/interface |
| 03:56.51 | jpinx-eeepc | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 03:58.12 | jpinx-eeepc | dondelelcaro: no [] iin there -- where else should I look...? |
| 03:59.42 | dondelelcaro | jpinx-eeepc: show the usb0 stanza |
| 03:59.54 | jpinx-eeepc | moment |
| 04:00.02 | jpinx-eeepc | I have to transcribe it |
| 04:01.36 | dondelelcaro | jpinx-eeepc: the main thing I want to know is whether you have any pre or post-up rules, and what type of stanza it is |
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| 04:01.44 | dondelelcaro | jpinx-eeepc: so if that's faster to tell me that, just do that |
| 04:03.24 | jpinx-eeepc | /etc/network/interfaces only has auto lo, auto eth0 and usb0, which just has inet static, address, netmask and gateway |
| 04:03.46 | AzMoo | gnarface: hah, you still helped by *not* seeing a problem. Lets me know the software side was correct :) |
| 04:06.10 | jpinx-eeepc | dondelelcaro: and when I do ifconfig usb0 I get Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr...foo inet address, Bcast... mask... Broadcast Multicast MTU:1500 Metric:1 and rx / tx packets info |
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| 04:11.23 | Fersure | Good morning. |
| 04:11.36 | Fersure | I seem to have an issue when trying to open a third ssh session with my debian vps. |
| 04:12.03 | Fersure | I recieve the error: "ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host" |
| 04:12.36 | Fersure | Is anyone around that might know why I am recieving this message? Thanks in advance. :) |
| 04:12.48 | gnarface | sounds like your hosting provider dicking you over. if you're paying more than 5$/month you're probably being ripped off |
| 04:13.04 | gnarface | if you're paying 5$/month or less you might still be getting ripped off |
| 04:13.09 | Fersure | How's that? |
| 04:13.17 | jpinx-eeepc | dondelelcaro: fixed it - thanks for the pointers :) |
| 04:13.27 | Fersure | By which I mean, what exactly is causing the problem/ |
| 04:13.30 | Fersure | -/+? |
| 04:13.36 | fbh | Fersure: do you run anything with a lot of connections? |
| 04:13.51 | Fersure | Um, nope. |
| 04:14.32 | gnarface | Fersure: i don't know really but if i were to venture a guess it would be something at the physical host/router/firewall level that you don't have access to that they put there on purpose to keep you from getting any real work done |
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| 04:15.06 | Fersure | Well, it appears that my friend also can't open more than two sessions. |
| 04:15.28 | Fersure | As in, I can open two when he has two open, but I still can't open a third even when he closes his second session. |
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| 04:16.52 | Ober7 | yeah sounds like your hosting provider is limiting number of ssh session / ip |
| 04:17.05 | Ober7 | to two! |
| 04:17.11 | gnarface | Fersure: can you edit your /etc/ssh/sshd_config ? do you have root on this vps? |
| 04:17.18 | Ober7 | use screen lol |
| 04:17.26 | gnarface | tmux :-P |
| 04:18.00 | Ober7 | checks out tmux |
| 04:21.38 | dondelelcaro | jpinx-eeepc: let me guess, it was a hook.d that was bad? |
| 04:21.38 | gnarface | Fersure: my man page for sshd_config mentions MaxSessions (which defaults to 10 apparently, though i've personally never hit that limit) which sounds like it would do what you are describing if set to 2, but cheap VPS hosting accounts aren't known for setting something like this to a non-default value if they have any intention of letting you change it without paying more money. |
| 04:22.22 | Fersure | gnarface: I can indeed. And I see no maxsessions option in the config. |
| 04:22.30 | gnarface | it's not in there by default |
| 04:22.45 | gnarface | but that would mean it should be 10 |
| 04:22.55 | Fersure | And... I now can't open any new ssh sessions at all |
| 04:22.55 | gnarface | which suggests the limitation is being placed somewhere else |
| 04:22.59 | jpinx-eeepc | dondelelcaro: tbh I don't know, I just changed my command from "ifup usb0" to "ifconfig usb0 up" and it worked :) |
| 04:23.34 | Fersure | Where else would it be placed? |
| 04:24.05 | Fersure | And now I can't open any new ssh sessions at all. D: hold on. |
| 04:24.09 | gnarface | the host system your vps is a guest on, or perhaps even the firewall, router or switches |
| 04:24.22 | gnarface | it also could be actual network failure. you could always open a trouble ticket |
| 04:24.46 | jpinx-eeepc | now I am struggling with getting sshfs to work as $USER. the user is in group fuse, but trying to connect gives permission denied. Any other clues? |
| 04:26.23 | Fersure | Well, as I say... I can't open any new ssh sessions at all now |
| 04:26.55 | Ober7 | u still have a session open though right? |
| 04:27.10 | dondelelcaro | jpinx-eeepc: ifconfig doesn't use ifup, so that didn't actually solve the problem, but whatever works |
| 04:27.24 | gnarface | Fersure: some smart firewalls can react to actively block anything perceived as an attack. maybe your isp thought you were trying to brute-force attack your server :-p |
| 04:27.36 | Fersure | lol |
| 04:27.38 | gnarface | Fersure: can you open any other type of connection? can you ping it? |
| 04:27.42 | Fersure | Let's hope not. |
| 04:27.48 | gnarface | Fersure: try traceroute -T [ip address] |
| 04:27.49 | Fersure | Hmm, one moment. |
| 04:28.02 | gnarface | try traceroute with and without the T actually |
| 04:28.08 | gnarface | and try it with -n if your dns resolving is slow |
| 04:28.53 | Fersure | That appears to have worked. |
| 04:29.06 | gnarface | traceroute -T? |
| 04:29.14 | gnarface | gets all the way to your server's ip? |
| 04:29.38 | gnarface | that suggests it's not a network failure somewhere between you and the server. |
| 04:30.24 | gnarface | i'd ask your hosting providor about it. |
| 04:30.29 | Fersure | I'm connected right now via ssh. |
| 04:30.35 | Fersure | But I can't open any new sessions. |
| 04:30.39 | Fersure | Nor can anyone else. |
| 04:30.43 | peterrooney | Fersure: using screen may save you a lot of hassle - one connection, many shells |
| 04:31.12 | Fersure | It was working fine, but now I can't open any new ones. |
| 04:31.18 | peterrooney | realizes that sometime within the past year he's become a screen evangelist |
| 04:31.30 | Fersure | And I'm sure that if I close this session, I won't be able to reopen it. |
| 04:33.42 | gnarface | Fersure: seems like a pretty rude restriction to put on even a cheap VPS, though they're known for such restrictions. if you stop trying to open new sessions it might allow you to open your second session after like, 5 minutes, or it might not. it's *entirely* possible that it's actually just incompetence - they may have hosed something somewhere in some load-balancing router/firewall device. you really should open a trouble t |
| 04:33.42 | gnarface | icket. |
| 04:33.59 | Stercus | loves screen |
| 04:34.54 | Fersure | Meh, I'm with linode. ._. |
| 04:35.18 | Fersure | And I've never heard about anyone else having this problem with them. |
| 04:35.29 | Fersure | I've heard only the best of comments, which is why I chose them. |
| 04:35.40 | kx7 | wtf |
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| 04:37.44 | Stercus | Fersure: connection refused or connect timeout |
| 04:38.17 | Fersure | Doesn't say either. |
| 04:38.32 | Stercus | ssh -v when connecting |
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| 04:38.44 | Fersure | Tried that. |
| 04:38.54 | Stercus | what does the client see? |
| 04:38.58 | Fersure | No error messagea apart from the one I gave. |
| 04:39.24 | Stercus | oh i missed all that, just restored my screen session |
| 04:39.32 | Stercus | oh well |
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| 04:40.22 | Fersure | one moment. |
| 04:40.35 | Fersure | ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host |
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| 04:41.25 | Stercus | sounds like the system dropped you |
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| 04:41.49 | Gen0cide | Hmm, im installed mysql-server using apt-get install mysql-server, but im getting wierd errors |
| 04:41.51 | Gen0cide | http://pastebin.com/VYjERHJu |
| 04:41.55 | Gen0cide | it should just work heh |
| 04:41.59 | Stercus | do you have access to the ssh logs on the server? |
| 04:42.27 | Gen0cide | Yes im sshd into it right now |
| 04:42.54 | Gen0cide | i see that log-bin isnt enabled by default, but i get other errors that arnt related to that |
| 04:43.05 | Stercus | sorry Gen0cide was talking to Fersure |
| 04:43.26 | Fersure | I do indeed |
| 04:43.28 | Fersure | o.o |
| 04:43.31 | Fersure | one moment |
| 04:43.44 | Gen0cide | o, heh |
| 04:44.13 | Fersure | Where are the logs? |
| 04:44.18 | Fersure | In /var/log/, right? |
| 04:44.27 | Fersure | Because I see no ssh related logs there. o_O |
| 04:46.16 | Stercus | Fersure: try /var/log/messages or /var/log/auth.log |
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| 04:46.44 | jpinx-eeepc | now I am struggling with getting sshfs to work so that my local gui filemanager can actually manage the files . Anyone? |
| 04:48.16 | jpinx-eeepc | as local-root I do sshfs user@111.222.333.444:/path/to/dir/I/want and it accepts that, but I can not view it as the local user |
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| 04:49.04 | Fersure | Stercus. |
| 04:49.08 | Fersure | Sep 9 05:22:42 cappuccino sshd[25911]: Received disconnect from xx.x.xxx.x: 11: disconnected by user |
| 04:49.11 | Fersure | Sep 9 05:22:42 cappuccino sshd[25907]: pam_unix(sshd:session): session closed for user fersure |
| 04:49.26 | jpinx-eeepc | and if I try to do the same command as local user (who is in groups root and fuse) I ge permission denied :( |
| 04:51.17 | Stercus | Fersure: that is a polite disconnect from the client. is that all you have? if so your log level might not be high enough to catch the error. |
| 04:51.37 | Fersure | That is all I have, yes. =[ |
| 04:51.46 | Fersure | I could change the log level. How might I do that? |
| 04:52.12 | rgr_ | what ssh key daemons should be used these days?? seahorse and co? |
| 04:53.01 | Stercus | Fersure: you can up the logging in sshd_config and restart sshd, if you do a restar with HUP you wont loose connection |
| 04:53.24 | Stercus | just use the restart option with the init script |
| 04:53.35 | Fersure | Alright. Thanks. :D |
| 04:53.39 | Fersure | One moment. |
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| 04:56.39 | rgr_ | what key ring manager shold I be using in Debain? |
| 04:57.53 | Fersure | Um, sorry. What should I change LogLevel to? It's set to INFO, currently. o.o |
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| 04:58.09 | Stercus | Fersure: LogLevel DEBUG would be really verbose |
| 04:58.18 | Fersure | Alright, thanks. |
| 04:58.19 | Stercus | that should work |
| 05:00.18 | Fersure | Hmm, nothing new in auth.log |
| 05:00.51 | Fersure | At all. x.x |
| 05:01.34 | Stercus | Fersure: did you restart sshd with the init script? |
| 05:01.43 | Fersure | Yep. |
| 05:02.08 | Stercus | well at the very least sshd should be reall chatty |
| 05:02.18 | Stercus | it should be telling you every thing |
| 05:02.23 | Fersure | I have nothing there since 5:22am |
| 05:02.44 | Stercus | try /var/log/messages |
| 05:02.45 | Fersure | The last thing I posted from there... |
| 05:02.48 | Fersure | I did. |
| 05:02.59 | Stercus | weird |
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| 05:03.33 | Stercus | does your syslog config define a different file for debug output? |
| 05:03.55 | Fersure | Where's the syslog config..? Sorry, not used to going through logs. D: |
| 05:04.46 | Stercus | /etc/syslog-ng/ |
| 05:04.58 | Fersure | Ta. |
| 05:04.59 | Stercus | assuming you are usinug syslog-ng |
| 05:05.35 | Fersure | Apparently not. o.o |
| 05:06.05 | Fersure | No such dir. |
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| 05:07.06 | Stercus | see if you have /etc/syslog* |
| 05:07.14 | Fersure | I don't. o.o |
| 05:07.29 | Fersure | I did /etc/sys<tab> |
| 05:07.41 | Fersure | Added 'ctl'. |
| 05:07.51 | gnarface | well if it's some sort of security device between you and the server that's actually refusing the connection it wouldn't show up in the logs... |
| 05:08.02 | Stercus | true |
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| 05:08.22 | Fersure | Well, nothing is showing in the logs currently. |
| 05:08.23 | Stercus | but the logs should still be more verbose either way |
| 05:08.52 | gnarface | only if there was something to log right? |
| 05:09.01 | Stercus | not in debug |
| 05:09.06 | gnarface | hmm |
| 05:09.10 | Stercus | if he connects while in debug mide |
| 05:09.13 | Stercus | mode |
| 05:09.24 | gnarface | but wouldn't he need to open a new connection? |
| 05:09.31 | Stercus | it will be a stream of entries in the log |
| 05:09.46 | Stercus | i assumed he did that after he changed the logging level |
| 05:09.59 | Stercus | i shouldnt assume thoughh |
| 05:10.14 | Fersure | I did indeed attempt to connect again. |
| 05:10.21 | Fersure | And again, and again. |
| 05:10.23 | Fersure | No luck. |
| 05:10.38 | Fersure | Nothing in logs. |
| 05:10.39 | Fersure | etc. |
| 05:10.43 | Gen0cide | Where can i find a list of default debian repo sourceS? |
| 05:11.03 | Gen0cide | My vps for some reason edited this with some wierd sources which are crap |
| 05:11.35 | Fersure | brb, going to try something |
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| 05:12.13 | Stercus | Gen0cide: no luck with googoe? |
| 05:12.18 | Stercus | google |
| 05:12.53 | Gen0cide | I cant find the default list |
| 05:13.56 | gnarface | you only typically need one |
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| 05:14.34 | gnarface | keep in mind their jacked-up repositories may have come along with jacked up packages and using an official debian repo might break shit badly, especially if you're using horrible things like cpanel or plesk |
| 05:14.57 | Gen0cide | Im not using any of that |
| 05:15.05 | gnarface | http://mirror.debian.org/status.html |
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| 05:15.16 | gnarface | take your pick |
| 05:15.27 | gnarface | if you're using lenny make sure to add the security patches thing too |
| 05:15.34 | Gen0cide | thanks |
| 05:15.37 | Gen0cide | ok |
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| 05:17.49 | Gen0cide | http://debrepo.mirror.vpslink.com/ |
| 05:17.53 | Gen0cide | thats the only one in there |
| 05:17.59 | Gen0cide | along with the security entry |
| 05:18.07 | Gen0cide | deb http://debrepo.mirror.vpslink.com/debian lenny main contrib |
| 05:18.07 | Gen0cide | deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib |
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| 05:19.42 | jelly-home | Gen0cide: /msg dpkg sources.list |
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| 05:20.21 | Gen0cide | thanks |
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| 05:20.48 | Gen0cide | im going to refresh the system server and edit the list |
| 05:21.46 | Gen0cide | but... the control panel page isnt loading |
| 05:21.48 | Gen0cide | fuuu. |
| 05:22.09 | Gen0cide | Im glad im not a professional on a time critical schedule |
| 05:23.04 | jelly-home | control panel? |
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| 05:23.34 | Gen0cide | vdeck 4 |
| 05:23.43 | Gen0cide | which controls the container |
| 05:23.46 | Gen0cide | its a vps |
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| 05:23.54 | jelly-home | *nod* |
| 05:24.08 | Fersure | Well, that worked. |
| 05:24.25 | Stercus | Fersure: what did you get? |
| 05:24.27 | Fersure | Drastic, but it worked. |
| 05:24.35 | Fersure | I restarted my vps, and it just worked. |
| 05:24.36 | Fersure | ._. |
| 05:24.54 | Stercus | well dont forget to turn off debug |
| 05:25.49 | Stercus | and restart sshd afterwards |
| 05:25.54 | Fersure | Oh, and now sshd is being awfully talkative in auth.log xD |
| 05:26.00 | Fersure | Yeah, just about to. :P |
| 05:26.08 | gnarface | what type of vps is this Fersure ? |
| 05:26.13 | Stercus | weird that you needed a bounce to achieve that |
| 05:26.30 | Fersure | Yeah. |
| 05:26.37 | Fersure | It's like the system just got stuck before. |
| 05:26.39 | Fersure | gnarface: linode. |
| 05:26.43 | gnarface | hmm. |
| 05:26.58 | gnarface | i mean the software? |
| 05:27.01 | gnarface | or is that the software? |
| 05:27.14 | Fersure | debian. |
| 05:27.20 | Fersure | o.o |
| 05:27.23 | gnarface | nevermind, i asked google |
| 05:27.26 | gnarface | the answer is 'xen' |
| 05:27.54 | gnarface | debian is the guest operating system and linode is the company |
| 05:28.06 | gnarface | by "type of vps" i meant the host software, not the guest software |
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| 05:43.49 | Gen0cide | Ok i fixed the problems |
| 05:44.02 | Gen0cide | For some reason my vps installs a modified version of debian 5 |
| 05:44.13 | Gen0cide | with non-default repo soures |
| 05:44.14 | Gen0cide | meh |
| 05:45.03 | jelly-home | it might just be a local mirror |
| 05:46.46 | ems | !mirrors |
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| 05:48.08 | ems | those commands do not seem to work |
| 05:48.09 | ems | in the topic |
| 05:48.24 | Gen0cide | it might be |
| 05:48.47 | Gen0cide | The vps company is in seattle , and the source was from oregon university |
| 05:49.54 | jelly-home | vpslink.com doesn't sounds like an uni tho |
| 05:50.34 | Gen0cide | http://debrepo.mirror.vpslink.com/ |
| 05:50.45 | Gen0cide | It has the oregon state uni logo |
| 05:53.09 | jelly-home | well... debrepo.mirror.vpslink.com is an alias for ftp.us.debian.org. |
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| 05:54.57 | ems | where can i get debian dvdr's. besides debian.org |
| 05:55.14 | Dewi | you mean download mirrors or physical media? |
| 05:55.22 | gnarface | can't you order them by mail? |
| 05:55.25 | ems | download mirrors |
| 05:55.35 | Dewi | http://www.debian.org/mirror/list ? |
| 05:56.13 | gnarface | http://mirror.debian.org/status.html is a bit more useful - shows the current status |
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| 06:00.36 | ems | thanks |
| 06:01.37 | ems | 1 2 3 and 4 are needed only right |
| 06:01.39 | ems | 5 is docs? |
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| 06:10.37 | jelly-home | ems: you only need all the media for an offline installation and use |
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| 06:26.22 | cryptopsy | anyone here mounting their blackberry as block device in linux? |
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| 06:32.25 | gnarface | never why doesn't it work>? |
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| 07:12.54 | yang | Trying to resolve the issue with mysql-server http://pastebin.com/mLPEGsEA |
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| 07:24.57 | stuckey | Hi, after installing noscript I can't watch youtube videos, even after I added youtube on the whitelist. |
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| 07:29.07 | yang | solved |
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| 07:50.46 | flaarg | exec: 193: /usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin: not found |
| 07:50.49 | flaarg | any info on this error |
| 07:50.53 | flaarg | or is it something of my own doing |
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| 07:52.08 | dhanuxe | make sure path of firefox-bin is right |
| 07:52.31 | flaarg | well I purged iceweasel and reinstalled it and I still get that error |
| 07:52.37 | gnarface | on my sid system it is a symlink to ../xulrunner-1.9.1/xulrunner-stub |
| 07:52.45 | flaarg | thats what it is on mine too |
| 07:52.49 | flaarg | maybe xul-runner is wrong |
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| 07:54.46 | flaarg | thanks had to reinstall xulrunner to get it to work |
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| 07:58.13 | djura-san | morning folks |
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| 08:02.51 | Iszak | top |
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| 08:03.04 | Iszak | >_> wasn't me |
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| 08:09.23 | Iszak | Anyone got a guide for install pure-ftpd (or another ftp server for that matter) as it seems the ones I find do not work. |
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| 08:17.01 | ttiicc | Im have apache2 installed on my comp and I would like to deable it from starting at startup |
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| 08:17.49 | peterrooney | ttiicc: update-rc.d is your friend |
| 08:17.50 | ttiicc | could I just rename /etc/rc2.d/S91apache2 to K91apache2? |
| 08:18.40 | jelly | ttiicc: you could just remove it. |
| 08:19.04 | jelly | ttiicc: renaming to anything not starting with S will do as well |
| 08:19.52 | jelly | ttiicc: eg. s91apache2. K would actively try to stop it, and you don't need that |
| 08:20.35 | ttiicc | ok I think I'll rename it to start with K, cause if I will be needing it to start at boot time in future then I could just rename it to start with S again |
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| 08:20.51 | ttiicc | so I'll go with that strategy |
| 08:21.06 | peterrooney | ttiicc: IIRC, update-rc.d means not having to mess around with symlinks if there's ever an update for apache2, |
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| 08:23.02 | AlexC_ | morning |
| 08:23.11 | AlexC_ | where is the best place to put my SSL certs, for use in a webserver and other services? |
| 08:23.33 | valdyn | AlexC_: depends on the service |
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| 08:24.07 | AlexC_ | valdyn: well, is there no standard place to just put them all, regardless of the service? |
| 08:24.18 | AlexC_ | I see there is /etc/ssl - but that seems for root certificates |
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| 08:28.32 | valdyn | ttiicc: the difference between renaming and removing is that in all cases that if you remove the link then a package upgrade will restore the original |
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| 08:34.52 | valdyn | AlexC_: its for certs, not just for root certs |
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| 08:35.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | AlexC_, there's /etc/ssl/certs and /etc/ssl/private, though |
| 08:35.36 | valdyn | AlexC_: the "depends on service" is for the keys.. some services cannot use /etc/ssl/private/ |
| 08:35.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | right |
| 08:36.57 | valdyn | AlexC_: what I do is put keys into private or if thats not possible into the service configure directory and symlink from private for reference |
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| 08:38.47 | valdyn | i guess alternatively you could add service users into ssl-cert group |
| 08:38.52 | djszapi | Hi, How can I check with apt-get which files and where apt-get installed on my system in case a foobar package ? |
| 08:39.54 | valdyn | djszapi: dpkg -L <packagename> |
| 08:41.29 | djszapi | ty. |
| 08:41.32 | ttiicc | djszapi:and then 'updatedb' and 'locate <packagename>' will list where the files are installed |
| 08:41.54 | valdyn | ttiicc: umm |
| 08:42.37 | valdyn | ttiicc: that only works sometimes |
| 08:43.12 | djszapi | yepp, it does not work now. |
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| 08:43.41 | valdyn | s/sometimes/for some packages/ |
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| 08:46.14 | AlexC_ | valdyn: CutMeOwnThroat thanks :) |
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| 08:59.17 | grondilu | Hi, what is the 'inverse' of hexdump ? I mean, which command reconstitutes a binary file, given its hexdumped version ? |
| 09:00.04 | jelly | grondilu: ummm... xxd -r ? |
| 09:00.34 | jelly | not sure about which formats it will accept |
| 09:01.05 | grondilu | that's fine, I forgot about xxd but that's what I needed indeed. Thks. |
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| 09:02.57 | bint | hi |
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| 09:03.17 | bint | 840 users :) crazy shit |
| 09:04.17 | dhanuxe | lolz |
| 09:04.34 | bint | when squeeze will be released.. should everyone using lenny change sooner or later to squeeze? or is it normal to stick to his good old lenny? |
| 09:05.28 | liable | if you have a lenny install that you havent butchered with other repos, its usually safe to upgrade straight away |
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| 09:05.48 | bint | oh so you can simply upgrade |
| 09:06.00 | liable | i like to wait at least a week if its a server though :) |
| 09:06.09 | bint | sure |
| 09:06.21 | bint | but my isp built this kernel and its not a normal debian kernel |
| 09:06.25 | liable | bcertainly, debian isn't like ubuntu where you are better off reinstalling |
| 09:06.32 | bint | no modules and stuff... could you still simply upgrade? |
| 09:06.34 | liable | a vps kernel? |
| 09:06.42 | bint | nah dedicated |
| 09:06.44 | liable | its should be fine |
| 09:07.02 | liable | but i would ask them if they have tested it themselves first |
| 09:07.06 | bint | sure |
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| 09:07.31 | bint | do you know the main changes in squeeze? |
| 09:07.36 | liable | why have you got a custom kernel from your isp? |
| 09:07.37 | bint | from lenny to squeeze |
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| 09:07.48 | bint | liable they try to make it save |
| 09:08.02 | liable | save what? |
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| 09:08.22 | bint | i dont know i'm not really into it..but i think no modules is one securityhole less |
| 09:08.48 | liable | um |
| 09:09.12 | AlexC_ | you need modules :) |
| 09:09.16 | bint | for what |
| 09:09.21 | liable | i think i'd rather go with security updated debian kernels than some random isp ones that who knows what gets fixed |
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| 09:09.53 | bint | well if you're into it this might be true.. i could build my own debian kernel if i want to |
| 09:09.57 | bint | but i'm not really into it :D |
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| 09:10.09 | liable | you can just use a standard debian one.. |
| 09:10.11 | bint | and so far i really didn't need it |
| 09:10.22 | liable | why you don't is something you havent explained |
| 09:10.34 | AlexC_ | bint: for general use. You can't just have no modules |
| 09:10.47 | bint | so far it works |
| 09:11.06 | liable | probably means no initrd, but who knows.. |
| 09:11.21 | AlexC_ | bint: no, it's impossible |
| 09:11.43 | liable | AlexC_: what modules couldn't you build into the kernel image? |
| 09:11.58 | liable | i think you could if you really wanted to |
| 09:12.05 | AlexC_ | well that's what I mean - you still /have/ them |
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| 09:12.20 | bint | ah so they're just built in |
| 09:12.21 | bint | ok |
| 09:12.39 | AlexC_ | bint: I was expecting you to say a 'lsmod' returned nothing. Which would be impossible |
| 09:12.58 | AlexC_ | for anything functional, at least |
| 09:14.22 | bint | Opening /proc/modules: No such file or directory |
| 09:14.27 | p0g0 | liable: assuming you had enough system RAM... |
| 09:14.32 | bint | thats what lsmod is returning |
| 09:15.08 | liable | p0g0: it would be a silly idea, but possible non the less |
| 09:15.54 | liable | i dont think it would make the kernel that big anyway really |
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| 09:17.38 | p0g0 | liable: yeah, I think it would. |
| 09:18.09 | p0g0 | depending on your choice of static modules to bind to the kernel. |
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| 09:18.30 | liable | how is it different to what you have loaded usually? assuming you dont build the entire fucking kernel into it, just the ones you would normally use |
| 09:18.48 | liable | right |
| 09:18.57 | liable | that would be interesting to see |
| 09:19.22 | p0g0 | liable: I've done it before, long time ago... |
| 09:19.39 | liable | must have been bored :) |
| 09:19.55 | p0g0 | nods |
| 09:20.00 | bint | so you can use ssh by default with username and password.. but then i heard something of sshkey |
| 09:20.06 | bint | thats diffrent with no password ? |
| 09:20.31 | p0g0 | bint: in effect, you preset the password. |
| 09:20.44 | bint | but its safer to just use sshkey? |
| 09:20.54 | bint | somebody told me using ssh the normal way is "stupid" |
| 09:21.09 | liable | yes its safer. stops dictionary attacks |
| 09:21.18 | bint | ah ok |
| 09:21.27 | bint | are there a lot bruteforce attacks these days? |
| 09:21.35 | p0g0 | Just hope no one can read your local directories, e.g: that they never steal the machine. |
| 09:21.52 | liable | you have to disable password auth on the sshd for it to be safe, not just use keys |
| 09:22.03 | bint | yep |
| 09:22.18 | liable | bint: yes, your box will get several a day |
| 09:22.26 | bint | wow |
| 09:22.46 | ansgar | p0g0: That is not an issue with pubkey authentication. The private key can have a passphrase. |
| 09:23.53 | bint | so can i simply google for a howto for makin a sshkey and disabling password auth or is it diffrent on debianlenny to other linux distris? |
| 09:23.55 | p0g0 | ansgar: correct me, but the hash or the passphrase are files on the machine, and possesion of the box offers the attacker the file? |
| 09:24.54 | ansgar | p0g0: The private key is a file, but you need to enter a passphrase to decrypt it. Possesion of the file alone is not enough (when you use a passphrase). |
| 09:25.18 | bint | ah cool |
| 09:25.27 | bint | so you still have a passphrase but aswell a keyfile |
| 09:25.28 | bint | thats nice |
| 09:25.45 | AlexC_ | + don't listen on port 22, nice and secure |
| 09:25.59 | bint | yes i kinda wanna change this |
| 09:26.05 | bint | but didn't figure out where to change.. so |
| 09:26.15 | AlexC_ | in the sshd_config file |
| 09:26.20 | bint | and is it possible to change the username of root? |
| 09:26.22 | Fersure | Can someone please tell me where the path for the TCL headers/libraries are? :) |
| 09:26.26 | bint | or is this the most stupid idea of a linux noob ever? |
| 09:26.28 | ansgar | p0g0: Another advantage of key-based auth is that you can use the same key for several remote hosts w/o reducing security. If you use password-based auth, the password can be logged by the remote side. |
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| 09:26.39 | AlexC_ | bint: no - but why are you wanting to do such a thing? And please tell me you diallow root access via SSH |
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| 09:26.45 | zfe | hello |
| 09:26.56 | zfe | is there a way to install debian-live on my hd? |
| 09:27.13 | bint | AlexC i need root access via ssh coz i just got the box |
| 09:27.17 | p0g0 | bint: you cannot remove the root user, but you can create other users with equal rights. |
| 09:27.17 | bint | thats the only useraccount on there |
| 09:27.42 | liable | make a standard user and ssh with that user |
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| 09:27.47 | liable | then su to root |
| 09:27.48 | bint | sure i'll do that |
| 09:27.51 | bint | yep |
| 09:27.57 | AlexC_ | bint: right, so create a new account and install sudo. Configure this so your user can use sudo to run any command |
| 09:28.06 | bint | yep |
| 09:28.17 | ansgar | AlexC_: So why is that more secure than logging in as root? |
| 09:28.22 | liable | whats the point in using sudo like that? |
| 09:28.37 | bint | apt-get install sudo ? there is aswell sudo-lapd |
| 09:28.40 | AlexC_ | ansgar: because he still needs the account password |
| 09:28.55 | bint | sudo-ldap |
| 09:29.04 | AlexC_ | assuming you configure sudo to require the users password |
| 09:29.14 | liable | so why bother? |
| 09:29.17 | liable | just use root |
| 09:29.37 | AlexC_ | because sudo is more than just a 'run command as root' tool |
| 09:29.46 | ansgar | AlexC_: Logging in as root requires some form of authentication as well. |
| 09:30.06 | AlexC_ | ansgar: yes, but it doesn't require you to know the root password |
| 09:30.28 | liable | it does if he uses ssh as we said |
| 09:30.45 | AlexC_ | in what way did you say? |
| 09:31.00 | liable | to not use the root account to ssh, but a user |
| 09:31.16 | p0g0 | log in via ssh as a low privilege user, then escalate to root once connected |
| 09:31.30 | AlexC_ | yes; or use sudo to fine tune what you can do |
| 09:31.32 | bint | i think this is more secure.. sounds like that for me |
| 09:31.40 | AlexC_ | no it's not more secure |
| 09:32.00 | bint | but its not less secure :D |
| 09:32.05 | liable | how is using sudo more secure? |
| 09:32.14 | AlexC_ | you open your self up to user error if you're using root |
| 09:32.16 | liable | if you give it full perms? |
| 09:32.17 | peterrooney | here's a simple rationale: disabling the root ssh login means an attacker has to guess a user name as well as a password. |
| 09:32.22 | liable | meh |
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| 09:32.41 | AlexC_ | doing rm -rf /etc is far more dangerous as root, then a less privilaged user |
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| 09:32.57 | liable | how is sudo going to stop that? |
| 09:33.01 | AlexC_ | therefor, using sudo is far, far more sane and gives you *a lot* of control as to what the user can do. As said, sudo is not a tool for "running a command as root" |
| 09:33.03 | bint | can you still do rm -rf |
| 09:33.09 | bint | just rm -rf / |
| 09:33.11 | Fersure | Anyone know where the TCL path is? |
| 09:33.16 | AlexC_ | liable: because I /have/ to type 'sudo ' before |
| 09:33.21 | zorrolero | bint: don't forget to set "PermitRootLogin" to "no" in /etc/ssh/sshd_config and change the "Port"-setting |
| 09:33.26 | ZaxEZ | bint LOL |
| 09:33.38 | liable | AlexC_: unless you just used it, it withing the timeout and you think you are the user |
| 09:33.39 | AlexC_ | bint: right - and do you think your less privilged user has permission to remove all those files/dirs? |
| 09:33.49 | liable | thats a bad argument |
| 09:33.58 | AlexC_ | liable: yes that is true; but you can lower the timeout |
| 09:34.05 | liable | at ;east as root, your shell shows it |
| 09:34.19 | AlexC_ | it's not a bad argument. Logging in as a user then using going to root is mad for majority of cases |
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| 09:34.39 | AlexC_ | configure a less privilged account to be able to run the commands you want via sudo, simple |
| 09:34.48 | AlexC_ | only want to use apt-get? Then configure sudo to let you have access to only that |
| 09:36.21 | bint | you usuall use a high port > 1024 for ssh? |
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| 09:36.39 | AlexC_ | no, never do that |
| 09:36.40 | simonrvn | pick an unused one |
| 09:36.40 | liable | i usually dont bother |
| 09:36.58 | AlexC_ | bint: only root can bind to port < 1000 (I think that's the number anyway) so don't go above that, other wise any user can |
| 09:37.00 | liable | if you have no password auth, then the bot attacks will fail |
| 09:37.07 | simonrvn | 1024 |
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| 09:37.16 | AlexC_ | simonrvn: thanks |
| 09:37.17 | liable | and a determined person who is targeting your box will nmap it anyway |
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| 09:37.39 | bint | but but in general you just want to prevent the scriptkids |
| 09:37.43 | simonrvn | 0-1023 ;p |
| 09:37.44 | bint | and they dont nmap it i thik |
| 09:37.47 | p0g0 | AlexC_: where can I read more about that (the root user & ports >1024)? |
| 09:37.48 | valdyn | using a different port is probably useful to reduce spam in /var/log/auth |
| 09:39.41 | bint | where again can i see what ports are already in use |
| 09:39.53 | liable | netstat -pantu |
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| 09:40.40 | bint | ah ok |
| 09:40.49 | valdyn | thats probably useless |
| 09:40.50 | bint | but there was aswell i file somewhere but i dont remember |
| 09:40.52 | valdyn | but does what you asked |
| 09:40.55 | bint | yep :D |
| 09:41.29 | AlexC_ | p0g0: not sure what man page, but I know it's a restriction |
| 09:41.39 | bint | ah /etc/services i think |
| 09:42.17 | bint | so using port 35 for ssh would be fine? |
| 09:42.42 | liable | i'd imagine, thats an obscure port |
| 09:42.55 | liable | cant think of anything that uses it anyway |
| 09:44.11 | bint | ssh 22/udp telnet 23/tcp smtp 25/tcp mail time 37/tcp timserver |
| 09:44.14 | bint | thats in the services |
| 09:44.29 | gnarface | gasp! telnet? eww eww get it away! |
| 09:44.36 | liable | why on earth is telnet running? |
| 09:44.47 | bint | is it running when its in the services? i dont think |
| 09:44.56 | liable | oh right |
| 09:44.57 | liable | phew |
| 09:44.59 | p0g0 | it may not be, it's just listed in services. |
| 09:45.12 | liable | i misunderstood your comment |
| 09:45.15 | bint | kk :) |
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| 09:45.39 | gnarface | if that's just services it probably isn't running |
| 09:45.58 | gnarface | i seem to recall inetd in redhat of some era using the services list to pick what ran though |
| 09:46.08 | gnarface | i don't use inetd in debian so ymmv |
| 09:46.24 | bint | so i just edit sshd_config change Port: to anything |
| 09:46.30 | bint | exit |
| 09:46.34 | bint | ssh again via port anything |
| 09:46.41 | gnarface | isn't that the default? |
| 09:46.41 | bint | and this works? no need to kill or restart anything? |
| 09:47.11 | gnarface | no, you have to restart/reload sshd after editing sshd_config |
| 09:47.17 | bint | aright |
| 09:47.27 | gnarface | if you use the init script one of the options will reload the config without dropping existing connections |
| 09:47.36 | gnarface | (probably) |
| 09:48.32 | bint | so just go for /etc/init.d/ssh restart when i'm root? |
| 09:48.42 | gnarface | wait |
| 09:48.55 | gnarface | just run /etc/init.d/ssh and see what options it tells you are available |
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| 09:49.18 | gnarface | restart is the right one unless "reload" is listed - if reload is listed then *that* is the option that will gracefully hold onto connections (in theory) |
| 09:49.29 | bint | reload force-reload or restart |
| 09:49.37 | gnarface | do reload |
| 09:49.40 | bint | ok |
| 09:50.04 | gnarface | i think restart would sever the connection you are using to run this |
| 09:50.10 | AlexC_ | no it wouldn't |
| 09:50.12 | gnarface | if you're in locally and nobody is connected it won't matter |
| 09:50.26 | gnarface | AlexC_: it won't? whats the difference between reload and restart then? |
| 09:50.37 | AlexC_ | a restart is fine to do remotely. However, do not ever log out until you have proven you can log back in again through SSH |
| 09:51.01 | gnarface | i could have sworn this was not the case, but i will take your word for it |
| 09:51.09 | gnarface | the question remains, what is the difference then? |
| 09:52.16 | AlexC_ | *shrugs*, reading /etc/init.d/ssh now |
| 09:52.19 | bint | ok did it, works fine |
| 09:52.28 | gnarface | hooraaay! |
| 09:52.56 | bint | ah whats the right sudo to install? sudo-lapd oder just sudo? there are too listened in chache search with the same description |
| 09:53.09 | bint | *two |
| 09:53.21 | gnarface | unless you're authenticating shell users with an lapd backend (not the default) i would assume the regular sudo is the one |
| 09:53.30 | bint | great thx |
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| 09:53.32 | AlexC_ | bint: read the description |
| 09:53.36 | AlexC_ | bint: thx? |
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| 09:53.54 | bint | thanks for your answers and help |
| 09:53.55 | bint | thats thx |
| 09:54.27 | AlexC_ | gnarface: one difference I can see; 'reload' will not restart the server if '/etc/ssh/sshd_not_to_be_run' is present, meaning it will stay up. Restart however, does the check for this file *after* it has stopped it |
| 09:54.31 | bint | you're wondering why i said thanks or did u wonder what thx means? |
| 09:55.14 | AlexC_ | bint: no I was just wondering what language you've decided to butcher |
| 09:55.19 | bint | :D |
| 09:55.20 | gnarface | AlexC_: interesting. i guess i was assuming the differences were more analogous to the /etc/init.d/apache2 implementation |
| 09:55.22 | AlexC_ | thx makes you sound like you're 5 |
| 09:55.37 | bint | its short... i'm really used to it |
| 09:55.41 | bint | but thats off topic |
| 09:55.50 | AlexC_ | then you'll remain 5 for ever |
| 09:56.39 | gnarface | doesn't seem bad |
| 09:56.47 | gnarface | i was born 1000 years old |
| 09:56.48 | p0g0 | think Peter Pan... |
| 09:57.16 | p0g0 | ot "The Tin Drum" |
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| 09:57.19 | p0g0 | *or |
| 09:58.28 | gnarface | anyone use cedega? i know that's rare, but i really am having trouble figuring out whether i need to blame my recent sid update on it's hosing or the latest nvidia driver |
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| 10:04.06 | xiangfu | hi |
| 10:04.34 | stockholm | hi |
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| 10:08.07 | lolcat | Can debian run on ACER Easy Store H340 Home Server? |
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| 10:09.06 | gnarface | probably yes, but probably you would be better off smashing it with a hammer, then smashing your nuts |
| 10:09.23 | Flasheart | haha |
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| 10:16.36 | liable | i dunno |
| 10:16.54 | liable | even phones can run debian pretty handily these days |
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| 10:17.37 | liable | i doubt that device has a processor that would be too slow, it would be ram more than anything that would limit it |
| 10:17.42 | liable | and bootloader |
| 10:17.50 | liable | or bios i should say |
| 10:17.51 | cast | my phone has better specs than my previous laptop |
| 10:18.09 | liable | indeed |
| 10:18.12 | OpenTokix | cast: cute |
| 10:18.24 | cast | [576MB vs 512MB among other things] |
| 10:18.26 | cantido | Lots of phones are 500mhz or 1ghz arm chips.. but they don't have FPU's |
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| 10:18.39 | cantido | or very wide buses |
| 10:19.04 | liable | whats an fpu? |
| 10:19.12 | cast | damn, and apt does so many FP operations |
| 10:19.13 | cantido | liable: floating point unit |
| 10:19.29 | cantido | cast: apt doesn't, plently of other software does |
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| 10:19.46 | cast | looks for his sarcasm hat ;P |
| 10:19.52 | cantido | cast: AFAIK apt does use RAM |
| 10:20.00 | liable | wait, so what does that mean excatly? |
| 10:20.05 | cast | i see you have stolen my hat :( |
| 10:20.31 | cast | liable: most cpus have dedicated silicon to do floating point operations, a seperate set or stack of registers and special instructions |
| 10:20.44 | liable | ive never fucking heard of fpu, my geek card is about to be revoked |
| 10:21.02 | liable | i know about floating point, but not this fpu stuff |
| 10:21.08 | cast | liable: learning some assembly is one way to get to know about this stuff :) |
| 10:21.24 | liable | cast: i'd rather stick my balls in a fire :) |
| 10:21.27 | cantido | liable: in the old days you had to buy a FPU as a seperate chip |
| 10:21.42 | cantido | i386/68k days |
| 10:21.55 | OpenTokix | those where the days |
| 10:21.58 | liable | actually, thats a lie, i did look at it for a bit, but i dont have that much spare time |
| 10:22.20 | liable | but these chips can still do it obviously? |
| 10:22.21 | cast | assembly is kinda fun! certainly worth knowing if you plan on developing for anything really, really, small |
| 10:22.25 | OpenTokix | Witek was the best and most expensive =) |
| 10:22.29 | liable | so whats the big deal here? |
| 10:22.38 | OpenTokix | liable: since Pentium the FPU is built in |
| 10:22.40 | p0g0 | liable: the fpu goes back to the x86 days, when you'd have to buy a math chip to fp in hardware...very old stuff. |
| 10:23.00 | OpenTokix | no, sorry 486 DX class, was the first with built in FPU |
| 10:23.07 | cantido | liable: the arm chips in phones basically have what they need to be a phone, I wouldn't use them as your main desktop machine ;) |
| 10:23.25 | cast | liable: well, as generally is the case, software implementations are much slower than hardware |
| 10:23.34 | cast | and now i'm pinging out. fuck. |
| 10:23.39 | OpenTokix | but one can assume a smartphone like htc or iphone has a fpu since they do some crazy shit in games |
| 10:23.43 | liable | cantido: sure, but that not to say the cant be used as some sort of usefull tool running debian |
| 10:23.52 | cantido | OpenTokix: probably using the GPU |
| 10:24.07 | bint | if i mess up with sudoers can i still "su root" and edit it? |
| 10:24.18 | OpenTokix | bint: yes |
| 10:24.20 | cantido | bint: yes |
| 10:24.20 | bint | ok |
| 10:24.27 | cast | bint: 'su' will do though |
| 10:24.29 | gnarface | presence and speed of an fpu core primarily makes the biggest real-world difference doing encryption/decryption and 3d graphics rendering. arm chips can do floating-point math but without a dedicated fpu core a single rotate instruction has to be replicated by like a dozen risc instructions - you can see where this becomes a detriment to gaming |
| 10:24.34 | OpenTokix | bint: assuming you can login as root with password |
| 10:24.39 | bint | yep i can |
| 10:24.42 | cantido | liable: yeah, I would look at something like the sheevaplug first though |
| 10:24.50 | OpenTokix | bint: I usually use su - to get a loginshell with path's etc. |
| 10:25.16 | liable | bint: btw you are supposed to use visude for some reason |
| 10:25.22 | cast | gnarface: encryption/decryption? no sorry, that's quite wrong. |
| 10:25.38 | liable | i have never bothered to educate myself why as i havent bothered with sudo |
| 10:26.01 | cast | gnarface: use visudo so you don't screw up your sudoers file syntax |
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| 10:26.07 | cantido | liable: sudo is more useful than su, but most people don't use that stuff :( |
| 10:26.08 | cast | erm, - gnarface: |
| 10:26.09 | OpenTokix | liable: visudo is the same reason as vipw etc. - it will make a copy of the file, and make sure it gets written correctly before replacing the original |
| 10:26.09 | gnarface | OpenTokix: yes a lot of those newer smart phones get by decently by also having a gpu which is essentially a specialized fpu |
| 10:26.25 | OpenTokix | gnarface: probably, yes |
| 10:26.49 | liable | cast: why? |
| 10:26.51 | cantido | notes that some vendors don't bother porting drivers for the GPU's in their android devices.. |
| 10:26.58 | liable | um .. cantido ^^ |
| 10:26.59 | gnarface | i'd bet a 1ghz smart phone would blow the doors off of a pentium 75 in damn near any concievable benchmark though |
| 10:27.06 | gnarface | fpu or no |
| 10:27.08 | liable | OpenTokix: cool, finally a reason! |
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| 10:27.33 | OpenTokix | liable: yw |
| 10:27.42 | cantido | gnarface: I think a pentium 75 actually has a wider databus than most ARM chips out there |
| 10:27.47 | p0g0 | cast: eh, the atheros chipset, for example, offers AES in hardware, vs software. It is faster. A rough comparison can be made using a vpn vs WPA2...WPA2 is much faster. |
| 10:28.18 | gnarface | cantido: you ever try to run the dnet client on an arm chip? |
| 10:28.31 | gnarface | cantido: sorry |
| 10:28.37 | cantido | gnarface: dnet runs mostly in cache no? |
| 10:28.40 | gnarface | cast you ever try to run the dnet client on an arm chip? |
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| 10:28.54 | gnarface | dnet suffers quite badly for lack of a fpu |
| 10:29.04 | gnarface | unless it's some other difference between arm chips and x86 |
| 10:29.21 | gnarface | i'd assumed it was the fpu |
| 10:29.31 | cantido | gnarface: could be the arm port doesn't have hand coded routines in the source |
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| 10:29.53 | gnarface | ssh/ssl is quite painful too on a lot of old arm systems, compared to the equivalent-era pentium 1 systems, again - no fpu on the arm systems |
| 10:30.04 | cantido | if tegra based laptops ever appear they should be really good portable debian systems :) |
| 10:30.05 | gnarface | again, i assume perhaps naively it's got something to do with the lack of the fpu |
| 10:30.08 | cast | gnarface, p0g0: crypto does *not* use floating point |
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| 10:30.49 | cast | gnarface, p0g0: notice diffie hellman, RSA, elgamal, all operate with integers. notice there aren't any floating point operations in AES |
| 10:31.11 | bint | hmm i dont get it i try to visudo my sudoers file but somehow no editor is showing up |
| 10:31.20 | Gijs | whats wrong? |
| 10:31.21 | Gijs | E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing? |
| 10:31.36 | Gijs | nvm |
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| 10:31.43 | cantido | Gijs: just a guess. it wasn't able to fetch some archives |
| 10:32.10 | cast | gnarface, p0g0: now what may be the case is the FPU provides a bit more than just floating point operations, though i'm not sure of the specifics under ia the MMX registers are mapped to the FPU registers |
| 10:32.47 | cantido | cast: newer ARM chips have the NEON SIMD stuff |
| 10:32.57 | p0g0 | considers digging out his i387 specs and opcodes... |
| 10:33.21 | cast | great. but at any rate, the crypto we use does not do floating point operations ;P |
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| 10:33.26 | cantido | cast: but that's a recent thing.. i.e. if you compile code with NEON enabled it won't work on 90% of android devices out there |
| 10:33.39 | cantido | mm maybe 70%.. |
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| 10:34.45 | gnarface | cast: it was described to me once as "lack of a single rotate instruction" - i admit it's all heresay. i don't write crypto software |
| 10:35.19 | gnarface | the fact remains that arm chips suck at ssl and 3d compared to the equivalent-mhz pentium 1 chips |
| 10:35.43 | cast | sure |
| 10:35.45 | cantido | gnarface: hence arm desktops are rare |
| 10:35.47 | gnarface | luckily they are so damned cheap and low powered as to hardly matter these days |
| 10:36.26 | gnarface | slap in a decent low-power mobile gpu and you'd hardly notice the differenc |
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| 10:37.07 | gnarface | at least if you're expecting 1ghz performance - i also haven't seen many arm-based devices on the market really crack the 1ghz barrier |
| 10:37.13 | cantido | gnarface: some TI chips have DSP's built it :) |
| 10:37.56 | gnarface | i love the hell out of my gp2x wiz though |
| 10:38.05 | gnarface | i think it runs some bastardized version of debian |
| 10:38.19 | gnarface | 500mhz arm chip - overclockable safely to like 990 for most stuff |
| 10:38.50 | cantido | gnarface: sure it isn't uclinux? some arms don't have an mmu |
| 10:39.04 | gnarface | hmm. :( no i'm not sure |
| 10:42.04 | cantido | I was thinking of getting some small arm boards and cramming as many into 1U as possible and renting them out as Debian "servers".. getting 1ghz hardware with >256MB of RAM is more expensive than x86 hardware twice the speed |
| 10:43.06 | gnarface | do you need that much ram? |
| 10:43.19 | gnarface | also, the reduced power bill might compensate |
| 10:44.06 | gnarface | wiz says: Linux wiz 2.6.24 #665 Mon Feb 8 12:49:35 KST 2010 arm v6tejl unknown |
| 10:44.17 | gnarface | maybe it's actually uclinux |
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| 10:45.49 | cantido | gnarface: apparently it can run a proper kernel.. so you could run debian on it |
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| 10:46.01 | cantido | gnarface: debootstrap chroot up and have a go :) |
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| 10:46.40 | gnarface | it is highly tempting |
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| 10:47.19 | gnarface | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GP2X_Wiz |
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| 10:47.37 | gnarface | great little device if you're an emulator fiend and a linux fiend, but the next handheld they have coming out will be even better |
| 10:47.43 | p0g0 | liable: fyi: http://www.intel-assembler.it/portale/5/simply-fpu-guide/x86-coprocessor-programming.asp |
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| 10:48.35 | liable | p0g0: thanks, too many wines to even click atm though :) |
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| 10:51.48 | KineticBug | Are you able to add comments to an authorized_keys file? |
| 10:52.06 | Gijs | people what is wrong: useradd -b/home/test -m/home/test/ -ptesting test |
| 10:52.15 | Gijs | useradd: cannot create directory /home/test/test |
| 10:52.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | sheesh, swaapping |
| 10:53.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm... is there an easy waay to see what's being swaapped around? |
| 10:53.46 | p0g0 | CutMeOwnThroat: dd, string & grep the swap partition? |
| 10:53.56 | bint | "User1 is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported." -- where will it be "reported" ? |
| 10:53.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | pft |
| 10:54.02 | gnarface | i'd like to know the answer to this one too... can iotop do it? or maybe fuser? |
| 10:54.08 | cantido | swapping isn't a bad thing.. as long as you aren't actually out of memory |
| 10:54.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | no... iotop mainly shows kswapd |
| 10:54.33 | gnarface | bint: root's local system mail account - or whatever mail account it has been aliased to |
| 10:54.38 | cast | Gijs: read the man page, -m doesn't take an option, you probably want -d |
| 10:54.43 | bint | ah ok |
| 10:55.15 | bint | where can i see roots local system mail account? |
| 10:55.19 | qq- | Gijs, adduser is debian way |
| 10:56.02 | gnarface | bint: well if you haven't aliased it to something else (advisable, honestly - it's a bad idea to read mail as root, but system-only mail is probably safe) then just log in as root (or su - ) and type 'mail' |
| 10:56.10 | nsadmin | that;s not true... if it were, cat would only have one use |
| 10:56.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | Gijs, skip the -b? use -d if you really need to... -m doesn't take an option ... I suggest reading "man useradd" |
| 10:56.36 | gnarface | bint: mail program itself isn't anyone's favorite mail program though. some people prefer mutt or even emacs |
| 10:56.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | oops, cast was faster |
| 10:57.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | his machine's not swapping like crazy, though |
| 10:57.06 | bint | ok |
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| 10:57.24 | nsadmin | I'll second that... adduser is more convenient typing at a shell while useradd (and newsers) is better in a script |
| 10:57.45 | bint | " bash: mail: command not found " |
| 10:57.55 | nsadmin | !installit |
| 10:57.55 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 10:57.56 | gnarface | fascinating. never seen that one |
| 10:58.20 | bint | :) |
| 10:58.34 | nsadmin | mail is in package mailx |
| 10:58.35 | gnarface | i thought mail was part of the base system. guess not |
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| 10:58.43 | bint | well maybe it is |
| 10:58.46 | bint | my isp did this kernel |
| 10:58.48 | gnarface | ugh |
| 10:58.49 | nsadmin | good point, let's see... |
| 10:58.51 | bint | its not the normal debian lkernel |
| 10:59.07 | passwordoff | Is Debian testing work nice? |
| 10:59.10 | cantido | CutMeOwnThroat: top can show swap.. |
| 10:59.11 | nsadmin | mail isn't in a kernel :) |
| 10:59.16 | gnarface | what's lower level than mail? cat the spool? |
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| 10:59.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | cantido, does it show which processes are competing for ram at the moment? |
| 11:00.09 | gnarface | i actually hate mail but i make use of it. is mutt really the best alternative for reading root's email without having to install a window manager? i hate mutt too |
| 11:00.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | if yes: where? |
| 11:00.27 | nsadmin | and mail is not in base, or required, or standard, or optional... |
| 11:00.30 | gnarface | or is the point that i should be forwarding root's mail to my user account? |
| 11:00.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | gnarface, there's also (al)pine... |
| 11:00.50 | gnarface | ugh pine |
| 11:00.57 | cantido | CutMeOwnThroat: it will show you how much swap a process is using.. as for competing for ram; wouldn't that be the process with the biggest resident size |
| 11:00.58 | nsadmin | well you can avoid having to be logged in as root to check that mail if you do that |
| 11:01.22 | bint | but if mail isn't installed where will the mails go then? |
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| 11:01.29 | bint | if an incident will be reported |
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| 11:01.36 | nsadmin | mail is a client |
| 11:01.39 | petemc | mail is a utility to read and send mails |
| 11:01.40 | cantido | CutMeOwnThroat: or one with a big virtual size and lots of stuff in swap (i.e. it has data it can't get into real memory) |
| 11:01.41 | gnarface | bint: mail is just a mail reader client. the mails go to /var/spool somewhere |
| 11:01.46 | nsadmin | mail is not the storage for mail |
| 11:01.52 | bint | can't i just nano read the mails |
| 11:01.55 | passwordoff | Is Debian testing distribution work? |
| 11:02.04 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:02.10 | bint | i'll try |
| 11:02.10 | nsadmin | or /var/mail |
| 11:02.20 | amphi | passwordoff: works ok here |
| 11:02.23 | nsadmin | well /var/mail/<username> |
| 11:02.46 | passwordoff | amphi: where? |
| 11:02.47 | nsadmin | he wanted to know if it -is- work... and I'd say yes : |
| 11:03.06 | gnarface | wtf how come 'mail' has a bunch of mail? |
| 11:03.18 | gnarface | shouldn't that crap be going to root? |
| 11:03.23 | amphi | nsadmin: oh, ok, my parser failed somewhat ;) |
| 11:03.23 | nsadmin | there's mail for mail?! |
| 11:03.28 | petemc | root should be aliased to a normal user |
| 11:03.28 | gnarface | yes |
| 11:03.33 | gnarface | i've got mail for mail |
| 11:03.39 | nsadmin | wow! maybe your kernel will go postal! |
| 11:03.59 | passwordoff | I want jump to the testing from stable, but I won't to get a lot of errors and troubles with testing |
| 11:04.02 | gnarface | ... perhaps it already has |
| 11:04.15 | bint | well in var mail and var spool mail isn't anything |
| 11:04.17 | bint | no files no folders |
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| 11:04.35 | cantido | passwordoff: apt-listbugs might help you then.. or what for squeeze |
| 11:04.47 | gnarface | bint: its possible you don't have system mail capabilities either |
| 11:04.47 | petemc | bint: do you have a mta configure to deliver mail? |
| 11:04.53 | petemc | configuured |
| 11:05.02 | bint | i didn't configure anyhting sorry |
| 11:05.02 | nsadmin | bint: maybe you should find out how your mail is delivered (as petemc says) |
| 11:05.07 | bint | ok |
| 11:05.08 | gnarface | bint: wtf type of crappy thing is this you're renting? |
| 11:05.26 | michalxo | hello guys! I'd like to use, which method for nvidia drivers should I use? Debian one (kernel-specific) or use package nvidia-glx-legacy-xxx ? |
| 11:05.31 | bint | well its pretty cheap |
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| 11:05.38 | bint | its 14 euros for a dedicated |
| 11:05.41 | nsadmin | it's configured some way, whether you did it, someone else did, or the packaging did when it was installed |
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| 11:06.06 | diabel | Hello |
| 11:06.07 | cantido | bint: 14 euros for a dedicated.. surely it's a virtual machine? |
| 11:06.07 | bint | sure i'll find out :) thanks |
| 11:06.15 | bint | no it snot virtual |
| 11:06.17 | gnarface | what's 14 euros US now? like 30$? hell i'll rent you something better out of my garage, and it'll have MAIL |
| 11:06.35 | nsadmin | michalxo: try the package if you have a stock kernel |
| 11:06.42 | bint | https://www.ovh.de/bestellung/kimsufi.cgi?hard=101sk1 |
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| 11:06.51 | cantido | gnarface: does you gargage have backup power, multiple uplinks...? |
| 11:06.58 | bint | its 17 dollars nsadmin |
| 11:07.02 | bint | the euro is weak! |
| 11:07.20 | michalxo | nsadmin I was using probably debian way... but using always module-assistant and setting all up is "painful" :-) |
| 11:07.26 | michalxo | on every new kernel |
| 11:07.27 | gnarface | cantido: backup power yes, multiple uplinks no |
| 11:07.30 | nsadmin | gnarface: he probably won 't want MAIL... but if it had mail... |
| 11:07.43 | gnarface | cantido: multiple uplinks will cost you extra :-p |
| 11:08.11 | cantido | hopes gnarface isn't running hosting on ADSL or something ;) |
| 11:08.12 | nsadmin | michalxo: so, do you use the stock kernel? |
| 11:08.20 | michalxo | yes |
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| 11:08.30 | nsadmin | there should be packages somewhere |
| 11:08.37 | michalxo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:08.51 | cantido | that's testing or unstable |
| 11:08.56 | gnarface | cantido: if i was it would still beat the pants of the service you get from bluehost.com for 5$ :-p |
| 11:09.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | cantido, possibly... not so easy to see... firefox seems to be the main cuplrit, using up 280m out of 512... xorog has only about 5 in Ram out of 400m virtual... I would guess as it never stops it's those two competing |
| 11:09.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | mainly |
| 11:09.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | cantido, but it's by far not obvious |
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| 11:10.08 | yffer | hi |
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| 11:10.32 | yffer | i have a little problem with mysql is locking a mysql user, so the user can't connect any ideas how to change this ? |
| 11:10.43 | yffer | have tried restart mysql. didn't work |
| 11:10.55 | cantido | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm not sure if virtual include the graphics memory that's mapped in.. would be useful if you could see which is trying to allocate memory most offten |
| 11:10.58 | ecksun | since the update i installed last night (running testing) gdm uses 100% cpu, any hints on what to do to fix it? |
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| 11:11.27 | gnarface | yffer: mysql doesn't do that unless there are lots of other people using it (many of them successfully) or you changed something |
| 11:12.02 | gnarface | yffer: or you wrote a renegade php script using pconnects and no timeouts and never closed them |
| 11:12.17 | cantido | CutMeOwnThroat: ff having 280m resident out of 512m total is a bit worrying though |
| 11:12.17 | yffer | gnarface : none of the above |
| 11:12.43 | yffer | Im running virtual hosting. And this database is only used by one customer |
| 11:12.44 | cantido | CutMeOwnThroat: it's only 157m here with about 20 tabs open |
| 11:12.56 | yffer | gnarface : everything else runs fine. |
| 11:12.58 | gnarface | yffer: maybe THEY used pconnects |
| 11:13.00 | nsadmin | yffer, he probbly needs more details, more exact messages, and more detailed history |
| 11:13.14 | yffer | nsadmin : look here : |
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| 11:13.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | cantido, hm, weird... I'd bet I don't have more than 20 windows/tabs open right now.... probably depends on the pages |
| 11:13.32 | nsadmin | not me :) I don't know mysql (whew...) |
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| 11:13.40 | yffer | gnarface : http://www.globalcompactselfassessment.org/ |
| 11:13.48 | yffer | a normal msg if wrong password. |
| 11:13.56 | arcsky | hello guys, i got problem with my NIC on my server. it just goes up and down , http://pastebin.se/202030 |
| 11:13.57 | gnarface | snorts |
| 11:13.59 | yffer | gnarface : but nothing has been changed |
| 11:14.15 | cantido | gets dead npviewer processes chewing memory all the time |
| 11:14.16 | gnarface | yffer: reboot it. i'm going to subway to buy a sandwich. |
| 11:14.18 | yffer | gnarface : that is the strange thing. And nothing in the log files |
| 11:14.28 | yffer | gnarface : have i tried didnt work |
| 11:14.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | cantido, I think "D" for the process state means "Disk"? can't find it in the manpage right now |
| 11:14.43 | gnarface | yffer: your problem is probably with your web software, or if you gave your client direct access to the mysql database port, THEIR software |
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| 11:15.17 | cantido | CutMeOwnThroat: I don't think it means disk.. |
| 11:15.19 | yffer | gnarface : websoftware has no problems with other customers at all |
| 11:15.28 | gnarface | yffer: did you try to ssh to the server and connect to the mysql port locally with the console mysql binary? |
| 11:15.41 | jjann | Hi. How can I get a decrypted version of my SSH private key? (I can't use ssh-agent in my scenario, so I want to generate a cleartext version of the key 'manually') |
| 11:15.53 | yffer | gnarface : nope.. think u got me hooked off... |
| 11:16.01 | yffer | gnarface : commands ? |
| 11:16.10 | gnarface | man ssh |
| 11:16.12 | gnarface | man mysql |
| 11:16.44 | cantido | CutMeOwnThroat: means uninterruptible.. which is usuall I/O, so usually disk. But I thought it was D for Dead |
| 11:16.48 | nsadmin | arcsky, I can't tell much from that log except that it's bouncing |
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| 11:17.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | cantido, ah, yes... also found it 'D' = uninterruptible sleep |
| 11:17.35 | gnarface | walks to the 24 hour sandwich shop while pondering the meaning of 'hooked off' |
| 11:17.40 | arcsky | nsadmin: can yuo tell me any more importnt logs ? |
| 11:17.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah... that could very well be caused by swapping the process back in :) |
| 11:18.07 | p0g0 | CutMeOwnThroat: I don't know if it works, but the swapspace man page suggests it might be useful. |
| 11:18.07 | nsadmin | what log was that? |
| 11:18.21 | cantido | CutMeOwnThroat: io could be lots of things though.. I think atop actually shows what IO is going on. I'm not sure if it can show that in relation to the process causing the io though |
| 11:18.52 | jjann | ah, found it, ssh-keygen -p -f keyfile |
| 11:18.56 | arcsky | nsadmin: it was just rom /var/log/messages |
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| 11:20.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | cantido, iotop shows IO, but that only results in showing the kswapd... let me try atop |
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| 11:21.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | (and I found why firefox hogged so much memory, I cklicked on a likn that turned out to be a probably huge xml document... or so I think right now.... will know for sure when swaapping stops whenever the command to close that tab went through) |
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| 11:21.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | funny key repeats... |
| 11:22.00 | _ZeuZ_ | Hey all, I've got a little issue I'd like to be advised with. |
| 11:22.08 | nsadmin | arcsky: maybe syslog or the kernel log |
| 11:22.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I'll use the opportunity and see what atop says :) |
| 11:22.18 | _ZeuZ_ | I'm hosting two websites, using VirtualHosts. |
| 11:22.18 | cantido | _ZeuZ_: just ask |
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| 11:22.28 | _ZeuZ_ | One works just swell, the other one uses a domain in sytes.net |
| 11:22.29 | _ZeuZ_ | I've added it to my virtualhost |
| 11:22.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmh, not installed :( |
| 11:22.45 | _ZeuZ_ | and the sytes.net domain points to my public IP allready |
| 11:22.51 | _ZeuZ_ | still, it won't load the site. |
| 11:22.58 | _ZeuZ_ | Do I need to add that entry to my DNS server as well? |
| 11:23.03 | _ZeuZ_ | cantido, thanks. |
| 11:23.32 | Gijs | people help |
| 11:24.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | what is it loading, then? |
| 11:24.13 | cantido | _ZeuZ_: 174.121.37.87 is the ip of the machine that is hosting the site? |
| 11:24.28 | _ZeuZ_ | cantido, you'll have to check rosmu.sytes.net |
| 11:24.32 | Gijs | http://pastebin.com/77YLi9Z5 |
| 11:24.34 | Gijs | what is wrong? |
| 11:24.40 | _ZeuZ_ | cantido,that's the correct subdomain |
| 11:24.51 | _ZeuZ_ | and it's correctly poiting to 201.216.224.85 |
| 11:24.55 | cantido | _ZeuZ_: 111.111.111.111 .. is that really your ip? |
| 11:25.08 | _ZeuZ_ | oh damn, what the hell just happen to sytes.net then |
| 11:25.21 | _ZeuZ_ | last night when I digged it, it was correctly pointed to my IP |
| 11:25.22 | yffer | hmm.... anyone got an idea... if mysql suddenly locks one user off ? |
| 11:25.42 | _ZeuZ_ | cantido, anyways will check that now thanks |
| 11:25.46 | yffer | looks like a normal password is wrong... but have had this error before there i did reinstall phpmyadmin |
| 11:25.55 | _ZeuZ_ | cantido, no need to add it to my DNS server in any zone then, right? |
| 11:26.17 | yffer | but password is not changed and i have tried to connect using terminal via ssh still same error |
| 11:26.23 | Gijs | anybody? |
| 11:26.37 | cantido | _ZeuZ_: you need to make sure your DNS gives the right IP for the machine |
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| 11:26.52 | _ZeuZ_ | cantido, I don't control the nameservice he's using |
| 11:27.10 | cantido | _ZeuZ_: it looks to be some sort of dynamic dns serious thing |
| 11:27.22 | _ZeuZ_ | yeah |
| 11:27.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | _ZeuZ_, as far as I u nderstand it, the browser tells the server what it thinks it connects to and the server chooses the correct virtual host based on this... so... whenever the domain leadds the browser to the right domain, it'll work |
| 11:27.26 | cantido | _ZeuZ_: or some sort of public ip to private ip tunneling thing |
| 11:27.40 | Gijs | People i got a strange problem, what is wrong? http://pastebin.com/77YLi9Z5 |
| 11:27.51 | _ZeuZ_ | cantido, the thing is I'm hosting my own site in my own domain (rage-gaming.com.ar) |
| 11:27.59 | _ZeuZ_ | A friend of mine asked me to host his |
| 11:28.06 | _ZeuZ_ | so I added the virtualhosts directive |
| 11:28.15 | _ZeuZ_ | but he's using that dyn system |
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| 11:28.24 | cantido | CutMeOwnThroat: The browser sends the domain name it's looking for in the request.. so if you have name based virtual hosts that's how the server knows which to serve. Could be IP based too though |
| 11:28.48 | _ZeuZ_ | cantido,nope, using namebased service |
| 11:28.56 | cantido | mumbles "which is why SSL doesn't work with name based virtual hosting" |
| 11:29.08 | _ZeuZ_ | so it should work without me adding it to the DNS but as it wasn't working I wanted to check |
| 11:29.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | cantido, right... that's what Ii was saying - he obviously didn't describe and IP based one... or so I thought |
| 11:29.31 | _ZeuZ_ | cantido, nice detail for the future, though right now I'm not using https in any way |
| 11:29.42 | _ZeuZ_ | Sorry for the lack of that detail |
| 11:29.50 | cantido | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah :). Looks like a DNS problem to me |
| 11:29.54 | _ZeuZ_ | Well, will talk to this kid and tell him to check where it's poiting at |
| 11:30.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh... you mean because the certificate has to be exchanged before the browser even sends anything? |
| 11:30.17 | cantido | _ZeuZ_: if it's an issue with your config you should still be able to see the requests coming in |
| 11:30.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | that seems to be right... never thought of it, though |
| 11:30.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | is there a solution to that? |
| 11:30.55 | cantido | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, so the server doesn't know what cert to send because it doesn't know what site the request is for |
| 11:31.29 | _ZeuZ_ | cantido, I do see that that domain is not pointing at me since the PC has ICMP echo enabled, and it's not reaching it |
| 11:31.57 | cantido | CutMeOwnThroat: I think there is a solution.. doing something like SMTP does to switch into encrypted comms once some intial stuff has happening. I don't think anyone actually uses it though |
| 11:32.11 | cantido | s/happening/happened/ |
| 11:32.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | sounds like a catch-22 ... you can go home if you're mad, but wanting to go home proves you'Re sane... or somesuch |
| 11:32.17 | Gijs | ld: i386 architecture of input file `samp03svr998' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output |
| 11:32.20 | Gijs | how to fix it? |
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| 11:32.57 | cantido | Gijs: you same to paste output and ask "how to fix it" a lot |
| 11:33.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | or "open the crate with the crowbar you'll find inside" |
| 11:33.17 | Gijs | sorry, but i need to know hot fix it, can you help? |
| 11:33.45 | cantido | _ZeuZ_: with the debian stock apache config you should get served the default vhost, and you should see in your access.log that the request came in |
| 11:34.04 | _ZeuZ_ | cantido, I just setup a different vhost out of will, and it works |
| 11:34.12 | _ZeuZ_ | cantido, besides I've edited the defaults |
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| 11:34.24 | _ZeuZ_ | seems to be an issue with the sytes.net dynamic domain |
| 11:34.47 | _ZeuZ_ | Gijs, LD is complaining that it cannot link the file since they were compiled in such a way symbols are not compatible |
| 11:34.50 | cantido | _ZeuZ_: yeah, always check that the request is coming in before taking your config apart though |
| 11:35.16 | cantido | _ZeuZ_: you can spend ages pushing lines around in apache configs and then it turns out the dns was broked |
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| 11:35.46 | _ZeuZ_ | cantido, thanks for the help and the enlightment regarding HTTPS |
| 11:35.49 | Gijs | _ZeuZ_ can i fix this? |
| 11:35.58 | SOUL_OF_R00T | nice day to all |
| 11:36.04 | cantido | Gijs: you might want to explain what you're doing.. out of context it's hard to work out how to help you |
| 11:36.11 | _ZeuZ_ | Gijs, of course, if you own the librarys code, rebuild it to match your arch |
| 11:36.20 | _ZeuZ_ | but as cantido said, explain the situation |
| 11:36.21 | Gijs | well i cannot rebuild it |
| 11:36.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | Gijs, a) the word "patience" comes to mind... b) seems you have already identified the problem yourself, one of the runtime libraries can't be loaded, that's why you get "file not found", and c) the actual error from ld doesn't tell me anything... did you google it (excluding the samp03svr stuff) |
| 11:36.59 | Gijs | well it is not compatible with 64bit i guess |
| 11:37.01 | _ZeuZ_ | CutMeOwnThroat, it doesn't complain it doesn't find it, but it cannot link it due to incomaptibility |
| 11:37.28 | _ZeuZ_ | Gijs, well 32bit compiled binaries SHOULD be compatible provided you've got the emul package installed |
| 11:37.39 | _ZeuZ_ | dunno about development and linking code from different target architectures |
| 11:37.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | _ZeuZ_, yes... that's (kind of) the same - I was trying to explainin the error... |
| 11:37.51 | _ZeuZ_ | oh sorry :P |
| 11:37.55 | _ZeuZ_ | overlapped responses then |
| 11:37.56 | Gijs | what emul? |
| 11:38.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | _ZeuZ_, and "No such file or directory" _is_ complaining about that :) |
| 11:38.36 | yffer | who can help me on the error mentioned before ? |
| 11:38.41 | _ZeuZ_ | Gijs, in order for a no-multilib Linux system to run code other than the architecture it was built with, you need a set of libraries in special |
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| 11:38.49 | AlexC_ | morning |
| 11:39.00 | AlexC_ | does Debian lenny Apache2 support SNI? |
| 11:39.02 | Gijs | and how? |
| 11:39.03 | _ZeuZ_ | wait, are we looking at the same error? <Gijs> ld: i386 architecture of input file `samp03svr998' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output |
| 11:39.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | Gijs, ldd will show you all libraries loaded by the program |
| 11:39.43 | Gijs | ldd returns: not a dynamic executable |
| 11:39.53 | _ZeuZ_ | It was to be expected |
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| 11:40.02 | _ZeuZ_ | if he's linking them with ld means it's a static link |
| 11:40.22 | _ZeuZ_ | otherwise it would have the code to load the librarys functions inside the main body of the program |
| 11:40.33 | _ZeuZ_ | (or in other place, but still in code rather than linking it afterwards) |
| 11:40.41 | _ZeuZ_ | what are you trying to achieve in the first place, Gijs? |
| 11:40.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | huh, then I don't understand the error |
| 11:41.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | and what exactly produces the "ld" error, then? |
| 11:41.24 | Gijs | i am trying to run a gameserver |
| 11:41.46 | _ZeuZ_ | The architecture of samp03svr998.o is different than the one expected and handled by ld |
| 11:41.54 | _ZeuZ_ | Gijs, have you got the code for that gameserver? |
| 11:42.04 | _ZeuZ_ | Wich game is it? samp doesn't tell me much |
| 11:42.15 | Gijs | http://www.sa-mp.com |
| 11:42.16 | _ZeuZ_ | ah, saint andreas? |
| 11:42.57 | yffer | have anyone had errors with phpmyadmin an needed to reinstall it... |
| 11:43.07 | yffer | I have tried but that didnt work as expected. |
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| 11:43.28 | yffer | How do i remove phpmyadmin, not using apg-get remove phpmyadmin as this doesnt work |
| 11:43.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | !doesn'T work |
| 11:43.33 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 11:43.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | bit more concrete? feel free to use a pastebin |
| 11:44.06 | yffer | ehm.... |
| 11:44.09 | ZaxEZ | lol |
| 11:44.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's probably a postinstall or postrm script |
| 11:44.35 | _ZeuZ_ | Gijs, just downloaded the files in sa-mp to check |
| 11:44.36 | abrotman | yffer: put it in a pastebin so we can see the error |
| 11:44.47 | _ZeuZ_ | you should just untar it, and ./samp03svr |
| 11:44.55 | yffer | abrotman : I have tried to explain it before... |
| 11:45.15 | yffer | it seems that phhmyadmin locks one specific mysql user from connection to its database |
| 11:45.25 | _ZeuZ_ | Gijs, and so it sais in the README file |
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| 11:45.39 | yffer | I have tried within mysql console to connect the user and is getting the same error. |
| 11:45.43 | _ZeuZ_ | Gijs, you don't have the code so you shouldn't be trying to link things to things you don't own :P |
| 11:46.05 | yffer | Website have worked for months without errors and now it suddenly stops working with a connect error to database |
| 11:46.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | yffer, that doesn't explain what you mean with "removal doesn't work", though |
| 11:46.11 | abrotman | yffer: put it in a pastebin so we can see the error |
| 11:46.19 | yffer | DAMMIT |
| 11:46.23 | abrotman | yffer: i'm not going to sit here and guess at the error message |
| 11:46.24 | yffer | it is already explained |
| 11:46.35 | abrotman | okay .. have fun with your broken system then |
| 11:46.41 | yffer | Access denied for user 'ser=olhdata'@'localhost' (using password: YES) |
| 11:46.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | we mean the error when removal fails |
| 11:47.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | if it does |
| 11:47.01 | yffer | Error connecting to database |
| 11:47.08 | monzo | Concerning the FAQ mentioned in the subject: why is the reference to Gnome and KDE different than from the frontpage? e.g. frontpage: http://wiki.debian.org/Gnome ; faq: http://wiki.debian.org/InstallGnome |
| 11:47.13 | _ZeuZ_ | yffer, while adding the user, did you use the # wildcard to specify it might log from different places? |
| 11:47.13 | yffer | well removal doesnt fails... |
| 11:47.20 | yffer | I have done the following : |
| 11:47.33 | yffer | removed phpmyadmin with following command |
| 11:47.41 | yffer | apt-get remove phpmyadmin |
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| 11:47.45 | yffer | reinstalled it : |
| 11:47.53 | yffer | apt-get reinstall phpmyadmin |
| 11:47.59 | Gijs | _ZeuZ_ well now how do i fix this? |
| 11:48.00 | yffer | restarted mysql |
| 11:48.12 | abrotman | yffer: put it in a pastebin |
| 11:48.13 | yffer | and the error is still there |
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| 11:48.21 | yffer | there is NOTHING TO PASTE BIN |
| 11:48.22 | abrotman | yffer: put it in a pastebin |
| 11:48.31 | abrotman | i don't care if you think there is nothing, put it in a pastebin |
| 11:48.47 | abrotman | you said there was an error removing it |
| 11:48.49 | yffer | abrotman : Error connecting to database is the error |
| 11:48.56 | _ZeuZ_ | Gijs, download the tarball, extract it, and then ./ it |
| 11:48.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | yffer, reinstalling will not change your existing databases, nor will it touch the configuration files |
| 11:49.03 | yffer | there is no error removing it |
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| 11:49.25 | yffer | well how come a table or user suddenly gets locked |
| 11:50.02 | yffer | every other mysql users is working fine but this single doesnt |
| 11:50.06 | Gijs | _ZeuZ_ that doesnt work |
| 11:50.07 | Gijs | i tried it |
| 11:50.22 | Gijs | fr:~/samp03# ./samp03svr |
| 11:50.22 | Gijs | -bash: ./samp03svr: No such file or directory |
| 11:50.31 | yffer | as described before..... |
| 11:50.32 | _ZeuZ_ | Gijs, you didn't untar the things there |
| 11:50.34 | abrotman | yffer: did you put it in a pastebin yet? |
| 11:50.37 | _ZeuZ_ | Gijs, in order: |
| 11:50.38 | Gijs | i did |
| 11:50.40 | _ZeuZ_ | wget http://files.sa-mp.com/samp03bsvr_R2.tar.gz |
| 11:50.50 | _ZeuZ_ | tar -zxvf samp03svr* |
| 11:50.53 | yffer | abrotman ... one single line inside pastebin ? |
| 11:50.54 | Gijs | yes and then tar -xzvf samp03bsvr_R2.tar.gz |
| 11:50.55 | _ZeuZ_ | cd samp03svr |
| 11:51.00 | abrotman | yffer: all the commands, all the output |
| 11:51.01 | Gijs | cd samp03 |
| 11:51.01 | yffer | abrotman : error : Error connecting to database |
| 11:51.06 | Gijs | but it still doesnt works |
| 11:51.07 | abrotman | gives up .. have a nice day |
| 11:51.08 | _ZeuZ_ | Well it's complaining the file isn't there because you're not in the correct place |
| 11:51.14 | _ZeuZ_ | it's as easy as that, check your path |
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| 11:51.46 | Gijs | fr:~/samp03# /root/samp03/samp03svr |
| 11:51.46 | Gijs | -bash: /root/samp03/samp03svr: No such file or directory |
| 11:51.47 | yffer | abrotman : mysql error : ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'olhdata'@'localhost' (using password: YES) |
| 11:52.08 | abrotman | don't care anymore |
| 11:52.38 | yffer | abrotman : no that that error... lol |
| 11:52.43 | _ZeuZ_ | Gijs, again, check what you're doing |
| 11:52.59 | Gijs | well i dont see anything wrong with what i am doing |
| 11:53.01 | _ZeuZ_ | Gijs, redownload the tarball, extract it THERE, and check |
| 11:53.04 | _ZeuZ_ | Alternatively |
| 11:53.08 | _ZeuZ_ | create a low level account |
| 11:53.10 | _ZeuZ_ | give me ssh acces |
| 11:53.12 | _ZeuZ_ | and I'll do iy |
| 11:53.16 | Gijs | ok |
| 11:53.16 | Gijs | pm |
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| 11:54.02 | abrotman | do not give anyone on IRC access to your box |
| 11:54.05 | abrotman | that is seriously DUMB |
| 11:54.22 | _ZeuZ_ | abrotman, I'm into gaming too, this will be an experience |
| 11:54.25 | abrotman | no |
| 11:54.28 | _ZeuZ_ | besides, I'm not that evil |
| 11:54.41 | abrotman | _ZeuZ_: do NOT ever ask for shell access .. that is not how you help people |
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| 11:54.43 | _ZeuZ_ | thats why I just asked him just WRITE enabled on a home or temporary dir |
| 11:54.49 | abrotman | Gijs: do not give random people shell access |
| 11:54.52 | jarick | http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3514 |
| 11:55.02 | _ZeuZ_ | abrotman, Ok then, you're right. It's not the correct way to do. |
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| 11:55.24 | _ZeuZ_ | Besides, if I'm not to be trusted out of sheer will to help is his choice |
| 11:55.27 | abrotman | !shell access |
| 11:55.27 | dpkg | DON'T be a moron. Offering shell access to random people you meet on IRC is the WORST thing you can do for your box's health. Yes, even if they offer to help you or fix something. Before sharing shell access, ask yourself this: Will I be able to go over to this person and stab them in the face with a spork? If not, you probably do not want to give them access. |
| 11:55.51 | _ZeuZ_ | We0ll do it with teamviewer so he sees what I'm doing |
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| 11:55.57 | _ZeuZ_ | happy now? |
| 11:55.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's a spork |
| 11:56.26 | joltcan | CutMeOwnThroat: http://cache.backpackinglight.com/backpackinglight/images/large/spork-sul-L.jpg |
| 11:56.40 | the-dude | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spork |
| 11:57.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | joltcan, I see |
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| 11:59.52 | _ZeuZ_ | what the hell |
| 11:59.59 | p0g0 | CutMeOwnThroat: Spoon+fork, common to institutions, like mental hospitals, schools and jails. |
| 12:00.13 | _ZeuZ_ | what could it be, even thought the file exists, and it's in the directory, invoking it produces a file not found error thrown |
| 12:00.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | a missing runtime library... we already had that |
| 12:00.51 | abrotman | Gijs: lsattr ? |
| 12:01.01 | _ZeuZ_ | nope, it's not that error |
| 12:01.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | #!/user/nowhere/bin/bash in a shell script would also do that |
| 12:01.12 | _ZeuZ_ | it's just a normal file not found as if that file in that dir didn't exist |
| 12:01.26 | qq- | !path |
| 12:01.26 | dpkg | PATH is the environment variable that tells the OS where to look for programs. It's defined in /etc/profile or ~/.bash_profile or ~/.profile (for sh-like shells) or ~/.login for csh-like shells. |
| 12:01.29 | jelly | _ZeuZ_: strace the application if you can to see which syscall fails |
| 12:01.30 | abrotman | Gijs: is the file a script? can you paste the contents of the script? can you also show us lsattr ? |
| 12:01.31 | cantido | _ZeuZ_: is this inside your virtual host? |
| 12:01.40 | abrotman | cantido: it's not his box |
| 12:01.53 | _ZeuZ_ | abrotman, it's a binary |
| 12:01.57 | _ZeuZ_ | cantido, nope |
| 12:02.01 | abrotman | i asked him |
| 12:02.05 | _ZeuZ_ | sorry |
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| 12:02.59 | Gijs | samp03svr: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, stripped |
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| 12:03.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | it _is_ dynamically linked |
| 12:03.56 | cantido | Gijs: if the machine is running debian/amd64.. do you have the ia32 libs installed? |
| 12:04.07 | Gijs | i dont know |
| 12:04.09 | _ZeuZ_ | CutMeOwnThroat, still it is a file not found exeption as normal |
| 12:04.15 | Gijs | i just have this server for 1 day |
| 12:04.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | *sigh* |
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| 12:04.25 | _ZeuZ_ | CutMeOwnThroat not the binary complaining as it didn't find the dynamic library |
| 12:04.33 | _ZeuZ_ | Gijs, paste him again the error |
| 12:04.36 | cantido | Gijs: aptitude install ia32-libs |
| 12:04.37 | Gijs | samp03svr: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, stripped |
| 12:04.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's producing this same error |
| 12:04.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I've been saying this for half an hour now |
| 12:04.56 | Gijs | ld: i386 architecture of input file `samp03svr' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output |
| 12:04.57 | _ZeuZ_ | Gijs, those are the emul libs I've been talking about |
| 12:05.16 | _ZeuZ_ | CutMeOwnThroat, ld is a linker, this is produced while trying to executed as if the file wasn't found |
| 12:05.19 | _ZeuZ_ | not even remotely similar |
| 12:05.28 | _ZeuZ_ | ld doesn't RUN a file, it just links it |
| 12:05.37 | abrotman | ldd ? |
| 12:05.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'll just let you figure it out and say "I told you" when you did |
| 12:05.45 | Joelio | For some reason on a fresh squeeze install, I can't get apache processing php. The php5 module is enabled etc.. but I see nothign in the apache status (if I pull a 404) and php pages aren't processed (they try to be downloaded) |
| 12:05.47 | Gijs | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:05.55 | abrotman | Joelio: libapache2-mod-php5 is installed ? |
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| 12:06.10 | cantido | Gijs: ldd is wrong then? |
| 12:06.13 | Joelio | abrotman: ii libapache2-mod-php5 5.3.2-2 server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (Apache 2 module) |
| 12:06.19 | Gijs | uhm ldd is returing: not a dynamic executable |
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| 12:06.26 | abrotman | Joelio: try using wget instead of your browser |
| 12:06.36 | abrotman | Gijs: you have a 32bit exe on a 64bit system |
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| 12:06.46 | Gijs | yes |
| 12:06.55 | _ZeuZ_ | Gijs, try installing ia32-libs and retrying again but still the compains is that it doesnt find the file, not that it cannot execute it due to not having the libraries |
| 12:06.57 | _ZeuZ_ | wich is weird |
| 12:07.00 | Joelio | abrotman: Normally if you get a 404, you see it in the server signature.. it's not there though |
| 12:07.19 | abrotman | Joelio: you sure you have the right ip/hostname ? |
| 12:07.25 | Joelio | 100% |
| 12:07.38 | cantido | Joelio: what do your access/error log say? |
| 12:07.39 | abrotman | Joelio: is it external? can i try also ? |
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| 12:07.41 | Gijs | zeus look my teamviewer |
| 12:08.01 | Joelio | abrotman: not external, it's on a VM on an internal ganeti cluster |
| 12:08.06 | AlexC_ | Joelio: it wont fix your problem; however are you *sure* you want mod_php? |
| 12:08.14 | abrotman | wtf |
| 12:08.14 | nsadmin | how exactly are you invoking the executable, and where is it located |
| 12:08.29 | abrotman | Joelio: a2enmod php5 .. says it's already enabled ? and you've restarted apache2 ? |
| 12:08.42 | Joelio | AlexC_: Erm, yep. I know I could go fastcgi, whatever.. but normally it *just works* |
| 12:08.45 | _ZeuZ_ | nsadmin, in the same directory, ./it and it's chmod +x |
| 12:08.54 | Joelio | abrotman: root@webmail-test:/etc/apache2/mods-enabled# a2enmod php5 |
| 12:08.54 | Joelio | Module php5 already enabled |
| 12:08.58 | _ZeuZ_ | it was due to the lack of ia32-libs it seems |
| 12:09.08 | AlexC_ | Joelio: you really should go for fastcgi, unless you're really not concerned about security or performance |
| 12:09.13 | _ZeuZ_ | Gijs: yay! |
| 12:09.14 | Gijs | ut seems to work now |
| 12:09.17 | Gijs | :d |
| 12:09.25 | abrotman | Joelio: have you restarted apache2? |
| 12:09.30 | Gijs | oh shit |
| 12:09.37 | _ZeuZ_ | id crashed? |
| 12:09.43 | Joelio | abrotman: Of course and rebooted just in cace |
| 12:09.43 | abrotman | AlexC_: could you not confuse the situation til this one is resolved? |
| 12:09.43 | _ZeuZ_ | it* |
| 12:09.47 | cantido | Gijs: maybe you should have read what people were telling you |
| 12:09.50 | Joelio | s/cace/caseg |
| 12:09.55 | nsadmin | cgi is yesterday's petunias... and by 'yesterday' I mean pre-2000 |
| 12:09.56 | abrotman | Joelio: and the apache logs show it loading the module ? |
| 12:10.12 | cantido | nsadmin: fastcgi is a bit different.. |
| 12:10.20 | Joelio | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:10.40 | AlexC_ | abrotman: have him setup something that afterwards he may change his mind? Seems a waste to me, but whatever |
| 12:10.42 | nsadmin | fastcgi is a whole eventlooplike thing, and that takes additional skill |
| 12:10.49 | abrotman | AlexC_: just zip it for a few minutes .. jesus |
| 12:10.59 | abrotman | solve one problem at a time .. don't create new ones |
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| 12:11.15 | Joelio | We host about 10,000 customers using mod_php5.. it can't be all *that* bad :) |
| 12:11.22 | AlexC_ | *shudders* |
| 12:11.30 | abrotman | Joelio: so using telnet or wget shows a 404 ? |
| 12:11.35 | abrotman | does apache even work? |
| 12:11.38 | Joelio | Yep |
| 12:11.52 | AlexC_ | 10,000 customers? what? Lies. You must be eating memory and cpu cycles |
| 12:11.55 | abrotman | and the logs show your request ? |
| 12:11.56 | cantido | AlexC_: lot's of people shudder at the thought of php.. modphp, fastcgi.. |
| 12:12.03 | abrotman | AlexC_: god .. shut up for 10 minutes |
| 12:12.15 | abrotman | you're not helping him solve THIS problem |
| 12:12.26 | nsadmin | *shrug* some people like php... but the fact is there are more than a thousand languages, and php is relatively new |
| 12:12.27 | cantido | Joelio: When you hit a php script you get the source for the script? |
| 12:12.35 | abrotman | cantido: offers it for download |
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| 12:12.54 | Joelio | AlexC_: Give it a rest will you, they're across clusters of machine.. suprising I do know what I'm doing (most of the time)! :) |
| 12:12.57 | nsadmin | so php isn't actually running] |
| 12:12.59 | cantido | Joelio: you don't have a .htaccess that is changing the handlers or something? |
| 12:13.13 | AlexC_ | abrotman: excuse me? I can't see anywhere in the channel rules that states that I can not show my opinion in a situation that could potentially be /very pointless/ for him. Whatever |
| 12:13.24 | cantido | nsadmin: the server name suggests php is getting loaded in |
| 12:13.26 | abrotman | Joelio: i recommend you put AlexC_ on ignore .. he babbles a lot |
| 12:13.31 | cantido | nsadmin: server string.. |
| 12:14.12 | cantido | and it's not like php is failing, because he would get a 503 in that case |
| 12:14.26 | AlexC_ | abrotman: all I do is purely try to guide people in a better direction. What people ask for, and what they can do better instead is not the same thing |
| 12:14.42 | abrotman | anyway ... |
| 12:14.52 | abrotman | Joelio: what do the error/access logs say? |
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| 12:15.03 | Joelio | abrotman: Got it working.. bloody permissions! |
| 12:15.05 | cantido | AlexC_: He's said that he wants to use modphp, nuff said |
| 12:15.11 | Joelio | cheers for the help anyway! |
| 12:15.11 | abrotman | Joelio: on the php script? or the directory? |
| 12:15.14 | Joelio | dir |
| 12:15.19 | abrotman | argh! |
| 12:15.35 | cantido | mmm what perms does the dir need for scripts to be executed? |
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| 12:15.46 | abrotman | +x IIRC |
| 12:15.46 | cantido | it shouldn't be serving up the source |
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| 12:16.00 | AlexC_ | cantido: and if you knew the downsides of using mod_php - and knew a better way, would you sit their in silence and let them walk on by without even letting them know? |
| 12:16.05 | cantido | abrotman: really? I thought that didn't matter for non-cgi stuff |
| 12:16.08 | AlexC_ | anyway, I'll give up |
| 12:16.46 | abrotman | AlexC_: you know .. we let you compile your own PHP .. there are many downsides, you ignored us, and we're telling him to ignore you |
| 12:16.50 | cantido | thinks AlexC should re-write all his php scripts as assembly CGI's |
| 12:17.02 | abrotman | or rather, we helped you compile your own PHP |
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| 12:17.21 | Joelio | AlexC_: Just for reference we use fastcgi, wsgi etc for various other projects.. when something has been designed to use mod_php (in the designer's note) you have to use it..you can't randomly break the design because X is better than Y |
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| 12:17.42 | AlexC_ | abrotman: no, I knew perfectly well how to compile PHP thank you, I needed no help with that. There are 100% no downsides to the environment I have setup here, so please - like last time, stop assuming you know everything. I really do not want to have another argument with you |
| 12:17.49 | CaT[t2] | just uses mod_suphp and is happy. |
| 12:18.06 | abrotman | see .. he just knows everything .. that's just the way it is .. though he sure does ask a lot of questions |
| 12:18.30 | AlexC_ | abrotman: so yet again you're putting words in my mouth. Did I once say I know everything? Not at all, I have a lot to learn just like everyone else |
| 12:18.47 | abrotman | Joelio: have a great day! |
| 12:18.50 | AlexC_ | do I know a lot about PHP and getting it running correctly and effectively on different server environments? Yes. All? no. |
| 12:18.53 | nsadmin | maybe the log of when he was asking would be relevent |
| 12:19.03 | cantido | wants to know what permissions caused the issue |
| 12:19.13 | abrotman | cantido: he said directory permissions |
| 12:19.28 | AlexC_ | abrotman: so please, stop assuming you're god and that other people can't have an opinion that differs to yours |
| 12:19.37 | Joelio | abrotman: Likewise :) |
| 12:19.39 | abrotman | obviously not write .. it was offering the script, so i assume read was there, just exec is missing |
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| 12:19.44 | cantido | abrotman: yeah, x on a dir means that you can enter it right?.. I think it's a bit worrying that it was serving up the source |
| 12:19.46 | abrotman | AlexC_: you just did that ... |
| 12:20.20 | abrotman | cantido: you mean from the shell? or from the webserver point of view? |
| 12:20.29 | AlexC_ | abrotman: no, I never said you have to use other than mod_php - I said was he *sure* he wants to, and was going to educate the other options. You rudely stopped me from doing such thing |
| 12:20.35 | AlexC_ | so next time, no I wont help out in this channel. |
| 12:20.39 | abrotman | okay! |
| 12:20.50 | abrotman | FSVO "help" |
| 12:21.00 | abrotman | cantido: should be easy enough to test though |
| 12:21.02 | cantido | abrotman: would it not be the same? if it wasn't +x for www-data (or whatever), it shouldn't have access to the file to serve up the source |
| 12:21.11 | cantido | php scripts like to have passwords in source |
| 12:21.16 | abrotman | cantido: moment .. let me see if i can sufficiently mess up the permissions to do the same |
| 12:21.45 | Gijs | ./mta-server603: error while loading shared libraries: libpcre.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 12:21.56 | cantido | Gijs: FFS |
| 12:22.08 | cantido | Gijs: you should have learned what that means by now! |
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| 12:22.40 | qq- | !ffs |
| 12:22.40 | dpkg | i guess ffs is for fuck's sake, or for fine's sake. UCB's Fast File System, or for fearl's sake, or forgetfearl syndrome, or for Fooz' sake, or firefox sucks! Go Iceweasel |
| 12:23.04 | cantido | meant the first one |
| 12:23.14 | qq- | ok |
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| 12:23.30 | _ZeuZ_ | it's there in /usr/lib though |
| 12:23.39 | pht | is it possible to install *.deb (files) using apt ? |
| 12:23.47 | gypsymauro | does anyone read everyday the annoyance message "Error: Driver 'pcspkr' is already registered, aborting..." when booting debian? :) |
| 12:23.49 | cantido | _ZeuZ_: if it's a 32bit binary it needs a 32bit library |
| 12:23.54 | jelly | pht: if you put them into a local repo, yes |
| 12:23.55 | _ZeuZ_ | cantido, ah |
| 12:23.58 | _ZeuZ_ | cantido, forgot that |
| 12:24.04 | cantido | gypsymauro: I've seen that on most of my machines I think |
| 12:24.06 | _ZeuZ_ | I'll check if there's a 32bits version of that lib |
| 12:24.16 | jelly | pht: /msg dpkg own repo |
| 12:24.22 | SPF | gypsymauro: yup, here too |
| 12:24.27 | gypsymauro | cantido: in fact.. it's a shame to read that :) |
| 12:24.31 | cantido | _ZeuZ_: most of the 32bit libs are in the massive ia32-libs package.. there are some split out ones though |
| 12:24.39 | _ZeuZ_ | cantido, that is installed |
| 12:24.46 | _ZeuZ_ | and the version it installed is in the amd64 branch |
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| 12:24.50 | gypsymauro | from etch to squeeze, I don't recall prior versions |
| 12:24.52 | _ZeuZ_ | puzzled |
| 12:25.25 | cantido | _ZeuZ_: not all 32bit libs are available.. on ones that packages use. so if you're trying to use a 32bit binary from somewhere else you might have to fix it yourself |
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| 12:25.32 | abrotman | cantido: nope, no clue how he did that with perms |
| 12:25.53 | cantido | _ZeuZ_: there was a script to create 32bit libs packages from the i386 port.. but that got removed |
| 12:26.08 | cantido | abrotman: yeah, ohwell |
| 12:26.30 | roben | Hi everyone, i have some issue with my wireless network card. I have been installing the firmware and everything but i cant see any wlan0 is up and running. Any help are welcome |
| 12:26.30 | _ZeuZ_ | cantido, however this is also running a i686 kernel according to unames output |
| 12:26.46 | _ZeuZ_ | cantido, so it should be binary comatible with i386 without libs, am I wrong? |
| 12:27.14 | cantido | _ZeuZ_: mmm I think I was answering Gijs question really.. can't remember what your problem was |
| 12:27.29 | _ZeuZ_ | cantido, I'm helping him right now, as mine got solved |
| 12:27.38 | _ZeuZ_ | cantido, dns problem that was, he's gonna change them permanently |
| 12:27.39 | pht | jelly, no if i get them on a USB drive |
| 12:27.51 | _ZeuZ_ | (he did a pilot test, and it gave the desired result: the vhost showing) |
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| 12:28.09 | cantido | _ZeuZ_: ok, so if he's just missing libraries he needs to install them |
| 12:28.17 | _ZeuZ_ | cantido, it is installed |
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| 12:28.28 | _ZeuZ_ | hehe, you can actually find /usr/lib/libpcre.so.3 |
| 12:28.29 | cantido | _ZeuZ_: ldd /path/to/bin will should you want the linker thinks about it |
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| 12:28.39 | jelly | pht: why not? you mount it and have them in a directory |
| 12:28.42 | cantido | _ZeuZ_: if there are things that it hasn't resolved that is the issue |
| 12:29.09 | pht | jelly, is that a repo? |
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| 12:30.48 | cantido | depends on the god |
| 12:31.02 | passwordoff | o_0 |
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| 12:31.30 | _ZeuZ_ | :O |
| 12:31.43 | Gijs | http://pastebin.com/cdXYeMKN |
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| 12:32.09 | cantido | would think that computers etc would go against a lot what religious thinking.. |
| 12:32.21 | _ZeuZ_ | just noticed there's a permissions mistake there |
| 12:32.27 | ereslibre | hi there. is there a known way to fix the mess with ruby1.9.1 and rubygems1.9.1 ? "gem" executable doesn't even run |
| 12:32.34 | _ZeuZ_ | however that shouldn't prevent the application from loading the lib |
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| 12:32.46 | cantido | Gijs: libpcre.so.3 => not found |
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| 12:32.56 | _ZeuZ_ | cantido see the ls -lta /usr/lib |
| 12:33.00 | _ZeuZ_ | the file is indeed there |
| 12:33.11 | _ZeuZ_ | I also for the sake of chance symlinked it to the same folder |
| 12:33.11 | abrotman | 32bit on 64bit ... |
| 12:33.21 | _ZeuZ_ | abrotman, uname reports i686 |
| 12:33.26 | abrotman | on yours or his? |
| 12:33.26 | cantido | ereslibre: IIRC there is a note on how gems work in debian in /usr/share/doc.. |
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| 12:33.30 | _ZeuZ_ | his |
| 12:33.35 | _ZeuZ_ | my problem got solved |
| 12:33.45 | cantido | _ZeuZ_: I think his machine is running amd64 |
| 12:33.46 | johntramp | hi. how can i start an X application on another computer over ssh? so it will be displayed on the computer running the app, not the one i am ssh'ing from |
| 12:33.46 | _ZeuZ_ | I'm seing his situation through teamviewer so he sees what I do |
| 12:33.51 | abrotman | what does 'dpkg-architecture | head -1' say ? |
| 12:34.00 | cantido | _ZeuZ_: the output he gave before suggested that |
| 12:34.04 | abrotman | Gijs: what does 'dpkg-architecture | head -1' say ? |
| 12:34.13 | cantido | johntramp: DISPLAY=:0 |
| 12:34.18 | _ZeuZ_ | he just told me uname output was of another host |
| 12:34.25 | cantido | johntramp: :0 should be the local display |
| 12:34.27 | abrotman | could we wait for him to answer? |
| 12:34.50 | _ZeuZ_ | shuts |
| 12:34.52 | johntramp | CodeNinja: ok, ill try that. thanks |
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| 12:35.13 | sts | hello folks. whats the proper way to configure sysfs parameters? |
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| 12:35.34 | Neozonz | how do I reinstall a package...? i removed a conf file by accident, and want it back.. |
| 12:35.58 | cantido | Neozonz: reinstalling alone won't replace the conf file |
| 12:36.00 | sts | Neozonz: i think with the --purge option. |
| 12:36.15 | pht | jelly, i mean if i give someone packages on a cd or usb, they can install with dpkg, but is there a way to do it with apt? |
| 12:36.24 | abrotman | !tell Neozonz about confmiss |
| 12:36.31 | abrotman | !tell sts about confmiss |
| 12:36.33 | cantido | sts: purge will remove any config he still has, which he might want |
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| 12:36.50 | cantido | pht: dpkg -i /path/to/package.deb |
| 12:37.02 | nsadmin | Neozonz: before purging anything, back up any appropriate configs (and if you did back up the config you removed, you could restore from that backup) |
| 12:37.16 | virion | Hai, anyone know the path for the tcl lib and header files? /noob |
| 12:37.17 | cantido | pht: if the cd is formatted correctly you could add it as a source to apt |
| 12:37.39 | nsadmin | purging would be a way to get all new configs if that's what you want (but I doubt that) |
| 12:37.50 | abrotman | why is he purging at all? |
| 12:38.02 | pht | cantido, yeah, just that dpkg doesnt pull dependencies ... but nvm, life is never easy |
| 12:38.04 | nsadmin | he shouldn't be |
| 12:38.08 | cantido | virion: header files are probably in a -dev package. use dpkg -L <package name> to list the files in a package |
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| 12:38.47 | virion | cheers cantido |
| 12:39.00 | nsadmin | cantido, that would work if the package is installed :) |
| 12:39.07 | Gijs | libpcre3 |
| 12:39.18 | Gijs | that package is installed on the server with 64bit |
| 12:39.34 | cantido | nsadmin: yeah, I meant 1: install -dev package, 2: dpkg -L, 3: ???, 4: Profit! |
| 12:39.56 | cantido | Gijs: 32bit binaries can't use 64bit libs |
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| 12:40.17 | abrotman | Gijs: what does 'dpkg-architecture | head -1' say ? |
| 12:40.20 | _ZeuZ_ | cantido, there doesn't seem to be that lib for 32bits available in aptitude's tree though (sorry to interrupt again) |
| 12:40.35 | Gijs | bash: dpkg-architecture: command not found |
| 12:40.47 | nsadmin | 5: brag all about your Profits! |
| 12:40.48 | cantido | _ZeuZ_: if that's the case he'll have to fix it himself.. that binary hasn't come from debian |
| 12:40.54 | abrotman | Gijs: what does 'uname -a' |
| 12:41.13 | Gijs | Linux fr.website.com 2.6.33.5-xxxx-grs-ipv4-64 #2 SMP Fri Jun 18 13:06:54 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 12:41.21 | _ZeuZ_ | he's under 64bits in there |
| 12:41.32 | cristi8 | hi. i have package X in reps, but i have manually installed from source a newer version in /usr/local. now, X have some dependencies.. and now that i removed it, aptitude wants to remove the deps also. how can i keep the deps installed? |
| 12:41.40 | _ZeuZ_ | so, suggestions? he doesn't have the source for it, so he wouldn't be able to build it for 64bits from ground |
| 12:41.42 | cantido | _ZeuZ_: It could be that the so name is different to what that binary was compiled against.. |
| 12:42.04 | cantido | _ZeuZ_: if he doesn't have the source he can't magically make it 64bit |
| 12:42.14 | nsadmin | cristi8: learn about equivs package |
| 12:42.36 | cantido | unless he knows the in's and out's of assembly and has lots of time on his hands |
| 12:42.37 | _ZeuZ_ | I know, but what would you suggesthim? switch to a 32bits server? |
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| 12:43.10 | cantido | 32bit chroot would work if debian even has the version of the libs that thing is linked aginast |
| 12:43.14 | cantido | against |
| 12:43.19 | nsadmin | most asm languages doesn't have in's and out's... all the I/O is memory-mapped now :) |
| 12:43.37 | _ZeuZ_ | memmapped ftw [??] |
| 12:43.40 | cantido | nsadmin: x86 still has io ports |
| 12:43.59 | nsadmin | an abberation from the 8080 days :) |
| 12:44.00 | sts | thanks for the infos abrotman. :) |
| 12:44.10 | jelly | Gijs: your binary will work better on a 32bit installation of Debian. |
| 12:44.11 | cristi8 | nsadmin: thanks, equivs seem what i need |
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| 12:44.20 | sts | although the option is kinda hard to remember. :) |
| 12:44.26 | Gijs | i know, but 32bit only supports 50% ram :S |
| 12:44.31 | cantido | _ZeuZ_: it's very possible that binary will never work on debian |
| 12:44.41 | jelly | Gijs: your app can't use more than 3GiB. |
| 12:44.49 | cantido | Gijs: your app can't address more than 4GB |
| 12:44.54 | Gijs | i mean the whole server;) |
| 12:45.07 | jelly | Gijs: that's incorrect, then. |
| 12:45.10 | _ZeuZ_ | cantido, is it worth trying the 32bits chroot? |
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| 12:45.34 | cantido | Gijs: run it in a 32bit chroot.. but I think you might not be able to find the exact library that binary is expecting |
| 12:45.45 | Gijs | well i will just install 32bit |
| 12:45.48 | Joelio | Gijs: Technically you can with PAE |
| 12:45.49 | Gijs | is that the best i can do? |
| 12:45.52 | cantido | _ZeuZ_: it's worth trying. but common libs like that are in the ia32-libs package |
| 12:45.55 | _ZeuZ_ | Gijs, for less trouble, yes |
| 12:46.00 | Gijs | then i will do that |
| 12:46.02 | _ZeuZ_ | cantido, package installed, not provided |
| 12:46.05 | Gijs | thanks everybody then for this issues |
| 12:46.05 | nsadmin | it's not 50% (1 / 2), it's much much smaller (1 / (2^32) ) |
| 12:46.09 | cantido | Joelio: process address space is still 4GB even with PAE IIRC |
| 12:46.11 | Gijs | err for these help lol |
| 12:46.30 | Gijs | i heard that my server can maximum holds 4GB ram |
| 12:46.33 | Gijs | is that true? |
| 12:46.35 | Joelio | cantido: Sure processes is 3.2Gb, but system wise (which I think was being referred to) |
| 12:46.56 | cantido | isn't it 3GB process / 1GB kernel in linux? |
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| 12:47.09 | cantido | I thought that was true even for 64bit apps |
| 12:47.13 | _ZeuZ_ | wait, we've got PAE support now, that barrier should be breakable |
| 12:47.48 | cantido | Gijs: your server might be able to take 4GB of ram but if you'll be able to use that is a different matter.. even if you're running a 64bit os |
| 12:47.50 | nsadmin | one question tho, why bother? |
| 12:48.02 | cantido | _ZeuZ_: PAE is slow |
| 12:48.09 | Joelio | agreed |
| 12:48.19 | _ZeuZ_ | cantido, it's better than not using that memory et all |
| 12:48.48 | cantido | _ZeuZ_: bank switching etc is confusing, that's why only little 8bit micros do it these days |
| 12:48.48 | Joelio | we have some (cough) cPanel servers running CentOS with PAE.. bag of crap |
| 12:49.18 | Joelio | Does work though, which is always nice |
| 12:49.35 | Joelio | hugs his 64bit machine |
| 12:49.42 | cantido | _ZeuZ_: it might actually work out better to swap out to disk than to use memory in the extended address space. It's a hack |
| 12:49.56 | Joelio | cantido: Seriously? |
| 12:51.35 | _ZeuZ_ | cantido, swaping to disk wouldn't actually cause a worse IO bottleneck? |
| 12:51.41 | Joelio | The -big-mem kernel's always been fine for me |
| 12:51.46 | _ZeuZ_ | as in memory->disk->memory->processor? |
| 12:52.00 | _ZeuZ_ | instead of using a portion of RAM to hold the non-addressable space? |
| 12:52.05 | Joelio | on archaic x86 stuff anyway.. can't imagine swapping to disk would help though, 20x slower |
| 12:52.17 | _ZeuZ_ | same I was thinking, Joelio |
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| 12:53.04 | _ZeuZ_ | I've read in linuxmm that PAE is indeed a dirty hack |
| 12:53.19 | _ZeuZ_ | but since the article was old, I kind of thought it might have somehow evolved |
| 12:53.21 | cantido | _ZeuZ_: I think the kernel actively avoid using highmem |
| 12:53.31 | cantido | thinks that it's called highmem.. |
| 12:53.45 | _ZeuZ_ | cantido, highmem is one option inside the kernel, and pae is another |
| 12:53.54 | _ZeuZ_ | it's actually in the same page but not in the same group |
| 12:54.08 | _ZeuZ_ | as in use MTRR or PAE if PAE is available |
| 12:54.14 | _ZeuZ_ | so it seems in some situations, it's preferred |
| 12:54.16 | cantido | mm I've forgotten the name for that region then |
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| 12:54.36 | Joelio | _ZeuZ_: I've used -bigmem on servers before (have some in production now) that have been acceptable stable. Get the odd issue though, thankfully most is replaced with x64 |
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| 12:55.18 | abrotman | has some using -bigmem |
| 12:55.34 | _ZeuZ_ | Joelio, I bet sometime in the future samp will release a 64bits binary, but looks like the best shot he's got is moving 32bits with bigmem |
| 12:56.27 | abrotman | he could use a chroot and solve the whole issue ? |
| 12:56.31 | cantido | mmm the performance penalty is only 1 - 10% apparently.. lower than I thought |
| 12:56.32 | Joelio | still not going to be able to address more than 3.2 in a single process though, don't know what the app is though.. and if that'll make a difference or not |
| 12:56.56 | _ZeuZ_ | Joelio, San Andreas (GTA) server |
| 12:56.56 | cantido | abrotman: that's if that binary doesn't need really old or new versions of those libs :/ |
| 12:57.12 | Joelio | _ZeuZ_ :) |
| 12:57.28 | abrotman | I think it's 2GB per process with ia32 |
| 12:57.33 | OpenTokix | yes |
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| 12:57.42 | _ZeuZ_ | abrotman, you're probably right, it doesn't seem to need a newer version, though the lib he needs is not in the ia32-libs package |
| 12:57.57 | _ZeuZ_ | so who knows maybe that wouldn't cut it either |
| 12:58.00 | abrotman | so he can use (or at least try) a chroot |
| 12:58.12 | _ZeuZ_ | I'll try it myself in a spare box and report back |
| 12:58.14 | cantido | _ZeuZ_: is there a specific distro that the binary was built for? |
| 12:58.24 | _ZeuZ_ | cantido, site doesn't say so, no |
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| 12:58.37 | _ZeuZ_ | cantido, it doesn't even state if the binary is 32bits or 64bits |
| 12:58.49 | abrotman | 3.3GB is the limit without -bigmem |
| 12:58.50 | cantido | _ZeuZ_: just says "linux" right.. |
| 12:58.57 | abrotman | (not per process, the whole system) |
| 12:59.10 | _ZeuZ_ | cantido, exactly x'D |
| 12:59.38 | cantido | I thought it was 3.something because of PCI address space.. and that the bios can adjust that |
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| 13:00.19 | yalu | hi, I have an ldap/tls problem. I cannot do this from any Debian box: ldapsearch -x -H ldaps://f.q.d.n -D 'cn=admin,...' '(cn=admin)' -W . The error: ldap_sasl_bind(SIMPLE): Can't contact LDAP server (-1) . I narrowed this down to ldap-utils being linked with gnutls as opposed to openssl. Same thing is happening with Apache, with php5-ldap, with libnss-ldap,... |
| 13:00.58 | cantido | _ZeuZ_: if he could find out what it was built on he could create a chroot for it |
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| 13:01.29 | _ZeuZ_ | cantido, it was apparently built with libstdc++, libpcre for perl expressions, and in a 32bits host |
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| 13:01.49 | _ZeuZ_ | however the only lib it complained about after installing the emul packages was libpcre |
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| 13:02.06 | _ZeuZ_ | maybe it might have been worth the shot to try it out |
| 13:02.09 | _ZeuZ_ | (chroot) |
| 13:02.17 | Scramblejams | Hi! Anybody know how to get a list of packages installed on a system which came from a particular repository (e.g. backports.org)? |
| 13:02.41 | yalu | Scramblejams: aptitude can help you |
| 13:02.44 | cantido | _ZeuZ_: mmm looks like he needs ia32-libs-gtk |
| 13:02.55 | _ZeuZ_ | tried those though |
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| 13:03.27 | cantido | _ZeuZ_: is he running lenny? |
| 13:03.33 | _ZeuZ_ | yes |
| 13:04.27 | _ZeuZ_ | Gijs, try installing that lib package with aptitude install ia32-libs-gtk and see if it works |
| 13:04.32 | cantido | sure he has the i32-libs-gtk package installed.. its not in the ia32-libs package |
| 13:04.43 | cantido | why it's in the gtk one I have now idea |
| 13:04.55 | _ZeuZ_ | when I did dpkg -l | grep ii | grep ia32 I think I saw it |
| 13:05.19 | Scramblejams | yalu, I'm looking at "aptitude show foo" but other than guessing with the maintainer's email address, I'm not sure how to infer the repository from that. |
| 13:05.23 | _ZeuZ_ | however I'm not sure so if he reads this I hope he tries installing it |
| 13:05.24 | cantido | _ZeuZ_: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=libpcre.so.3&mode=path&suite=unstable&arch=any |
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| 13:05.38 | cantido | _ZeuZ_: that's for unstable, but it's the same in lenny |
| 13:06.22 | cantido | _ZeuZ_: in the long run a 32bit chroot might work out easier for that single app |
| 13:06.42 | _ZeuZ_ | weird that it's there though, one would think perl has no relation with gtk for regular expressions |
| 13:07.22 | yalu | Scramblejams: aptitude search is what you need. You can specify various search patterns which are described, according to the apttiude man page, in de "aptitude reference manual" |
| 13:07.39 | cantido | _ZeuZ_: on the BTS there is a long thread about the removal of the 32bit lib package creation script and why the hell we have a massive package will all sorts of unrelated stuff in it |
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| 13:08.13 | Scramblejams | yalu, great, thanks, I'll check it out. |
| 13:08.24 | Joelio | Scramblejams: I'm sure there's an easier way,. but you could get the dpkg -l output, cut and pipe into apt-cache policy |
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| 13:08.38 | cantido | _ZeuZ_: the build scripts could just build 32bit library versions inside the amd64 packages.. I don't think anyone running amd64 is that worried about disk space |
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| 13:09.26 | _ZeuZ_ | notes this in the little blackbook |
| 13:09.42 | Scramblejams | Joelio, thanks, I may give that a try. |
| 13:10.05 | Joelio | Scramblejams: It's a little hacky, as I say, I'm sure there's an easier way |
| 13:11.05 | Scramblejams | Joelio, but it's an approach I already mostly understand! :-) |
| 13:11.53 | Scramblejams | Thanks all, g'night! |
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| 13:21.24 | D4rKr0W | does anyone remember what the command for simulating the installation of a .deb is? |
| 13:21.52 | D4rKr0W | i want to know what dependencies there are if i decide to download and install a package from squeeze into lenny |
| 13:22.00 | abrotman | it will break |
| 13:22.10 | Neozonz | how do I reinstall a package...? i removed a conf file by accident, and want it back.. - i did purge and the file didn't get reinstalled... |
| 13:22.17 | abrotman | !tell Neozonz about confmiss |
| 13:22.19 | cantido | D4rKr0W: dpkg might have a dry-run option |
| 13:22.29 | cantido | D4rKr0W: but mixing is bad |
| 13:22.37 | poisonbit | D4rKr0W, -s (simulate) was on apt i think |
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| 13:23.09 | D4rKr0W | if it doesn't require any important package i think i will be ok even with some libs from testing |
| 13:23.12 | poisonbit | Neozonz, dpkg -S /path/to/file maybe it is in another package |
| 13:23.13 | D4rKr0W | it's frozen anyway |
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| 13:24.19 | poisonbit | D4rKr0W, why don't you review first the squeeze release notes, known problems, upgrade instructions, etc before change components ? :) |
| 13:24.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | D4rKr0W, doesn't work the way you want... aptitude/apt-get have an option for it, but will only install from repos, dpkg doesn't really handle dependencies |
| 13:24.39 | Neozonz | abrotman: it didn't work.. |
| 13:25.00 | Neozonz | i did "apt-get -t lenny-backports -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install nagios3 |
| 13:25.24 | Neozonz | and still no nagios.cfg |
| 13:25.37 | abrotman | !depends nagios --release lenny-backports |
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| 13:25.45 | abrotman | judd: depends nagios3 --release lenny-backports |
| 13:25.52 | abrotman | oh .. sitll no judd .. |
| 13:25.57 | abrotman | looks at themill and jelly |
| 13:26.14 | poisonbit | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/i386/nagios3/filelist |
| 13:26.17 | abrotman | Neozonz: you probably want nagios3-core |
| 13:26.46 | abrotman | or even nagios3-common .. look and see whicih package owns the file before you just blindly reinstall packages |
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| 13:27.11 | abrotman | Neozonz: http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/all/nagios3-common/filelist .. you could have used apt-file or dpkg -S to find out |
| 13:28.18 | D4rKr0W | poisonbit: i'm trying to get some info, there are some packages from squeeze that can be installed on lenny safely, i want to know if that package would cause me trouble or not |
| 13:28.38 | poisonbit | which package it is ? |
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| 13:28.39 | D4rKr0W | it's a web app so i'm pretty sure i want the latest update |
| 13:28.41 | D4rKr0W | otrs2 |
| 13:28.42 | abrotman | D4rKr0W: this is a bad idea .. and usually results in crying |
| 13:28.48 | D4rKr0W | rofl, no |
| 13:28.49 | sobre | hello all |
| 13:28.57 | abrotman | D4rKr0W: then why ask us .. just do it |
| 13:29.26 | poisonbit | D4rKr0W, If I where to do the same, I could try to backport the testing package, it is just a few commands |
| 13:29.38 | D4rKr0W | i didn't ask if i could do it, i asked how to simulate he install :) |
| 13:29.44 | poisonbit | anyway may lake functionality |
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| 13:29.55 | fantasticulous | hi al |
| 13:29.57 | fantasticulous | all* |
| 13:29.58 | abrotman | D4rKr0W: look at the man page for your installation tool .. they should all have a dry-run/simulation option |
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| 13:30.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | D4rKr0W, you can just add lenny to your sources.list, aptitude update, do the aptitude install something, see what it wants to install, do it or not, remove squeeze from sources.list... but if you have to ask how to do that, how will you know how to fix stuff when it does break? |
| 13:30.38 | D4rKr0W | CutMeOwnThroat: i've done that already and i know how to manage a mixed system |
| 13:30.44 | sobre | I am new to Debian.. Can anyone tell me how to download the source-code of a package in Debian using apt ? |
| 13:31.03 | abrotman | !tell sobre about source |
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| 13:31.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | D4rKr0W, then I don't understand why you ask... |
| 13:31.57 | sobre | abrotman: thanks |
| 13:31.57 | fantasticulous | i'm getting this error - http://pastebin.com/JJDQVC4v |
| 13:32.21 | D4rKr0W | i'll look into making a backport of the package poisonbit, do you have any reliable and in depth guide you could suggest for the process? i'm not that familiar with the package building process |
| 13:32.32 | abrotman | !tell D4rKr0W about ssb |
| 13:32.36 | poisonbit | the debian reference guide has a chapter about |
| 13:32.43 | D4rKr0W | CutMeOwnThroat: this was my question: <D4rKr0W> does anyone remember what the command for simulating the installation of a .deb is? |
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| 13:33.05 | D4rKr0W | thanks poisonbit, i'll look into that |
| 13:33.11 | poisonbit | apt-get -s install foo |
| 13:33.41 | D4rKr0W | do you know if it works with specifying a /repository ? |
| 13:34.00 | poisonbit | it is easy to check |
| 13:34.26 | poisonbit | look a package dependencies of that repo, and then --simulate and see |
| 13:34.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | D4rKr0W, there is none if you have a .deb, as I already said 10 minutes ago and there are splendid manpages for apt-get and aptitude |
| 13:34.39 | D4rKr0W | thanks it's working as intended |
| 13:36.27 | crypted | would "/^Subject: .*\ *\ *\ *\ *\ *\ *\ *\ / REJECT" be a correct REGEXP expression for header_checks? i want it to reject any email with more than a few words in its subject |
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| 13:37.16 | poisonbit | word use to be \w in some regexp. syntax |
| 13:37.34 | fantasticulous | i think you can do \w\s{5,} |
| 13:37.44 | fantasticulous | or rather 8 |
| 13:37.45 | fantasticulous | :P |
| 13:38.19 | crypted | mmm |
| 13:38.33 | fantasticulous | ^Subject: (\w\s+){5,}/REJECT |
| 13:38.43 | crypted | ah |
| 13:38.54 | crypted | ill have to give that a go |
| 13:39.01 | crypted | my personal server has been spam raped like mad lately |
| 13:39.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | and no, yours was wrong... yours is the same as /^Subject: .* / |
| 13:39.40 | crypted | i realize mine was wrong |
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| 13:39.48 | crypted | it was a starting point of learning |
| 13:39.57 | petemc | crypted: there are bound to be less error prone ways to block that spam |
| 13:39.59 | crypted | so the \w\s one is correct? |
| 13:40.21 | crypted | petemc: im using SA, URIBL, a lot of lists, and so forth |
| 13:40.32 | crypted | these frigging spammers have about 4000 domains registered to themselves |
| 13:40.40 | crypted | further, their XSPAM score is always less than 2 |
| 13:40.45 | crypted | and most are like -2 |
| 13:40.54 | crypted | which is the average xspam on my normal email too |
| 13:40.57 | crypted | so its a SOL situation |
| 13:41.21 | cantido | crypted: have you tried greylisting? |
| 13:41.37 | crypted | mmm dont believe so |
| 13:41.40 | crypted | wheres a good list? |
| 13:42.13 | cantido | crypted: um it's not like a blacklist you source from somewhere.. look at greylistd |
| 13:43.16 | SlayerXP | crypted: http://hinterlands.org/wiki/index.php/EximFilesystemGreylist |
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| 13:43.29 | crypted | gotcha |
| 13:43.31 | crypted | interesting |
| 13:43.56 | crypted | so its just a delay of sorts that deals with the servers, not requiring the sender to resend his message |
| 13:44.38 | cantido | crypted: most spam relays only try once.. legit relays will try until it can get the mail delivered or it deems it a no go |
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| 13:46.07 | crypted | it appears i need postgrey for psotfix |
| 13:46.08 | crypted | ...postfix |
| 13:46.50 | cantido | crypted: I don't run spamassassin anymore as it is too memory heavy, just greylisting is enough to restrict spam to and acceptable level here |
| 13:47.06 | cantido | s/and/an/ |
| 13:47.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | btw, I bought an ps2->usb adapter to connect a ps2 keyboard to my laptop. The usb adaptor registers, the mouse works, but hitting the keyboard doesn't do anything. I tried a different usb-type keyboard (it's actually a wireless kbd/mouse thing that plugs into usb and doesn't belong to me) and that works flawlessly |
| 13:47.57 | OpenTokix | CutMeOwnThroat: maybe you need to enable legacy-udb-support? |
| 13:47.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | any idea what could go wrong? I tried the ps2->usb thing with the same keyboard on a different laptop running windows and it worked |
| 13:48.25 | Neozonz | okay so I'm following http://nagios.sourceforge.net/docs/3_0/monitoring-routers.html to setup monitoring on my switches |
| 13:48.32 | cantido | CutMeOwnThroat: the keyboard has to have the ps2 hardware.. if it doesn't it won't work. Maybe recent keyboards have dropped it |
| 13:48.46 | cantido | CutMeOwnThroat: oh, worked on windows :/ |
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| 13:48.57 | Neozonz | but I check my commands.cfg and there are no presetup check_snmp |
| 13:49.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | cantido, nope... the usb adapter does a full emulation... I know there are some really weird adapters outside that only work with some keyboards... yes.. that's not one of them |
| 13:50.11 | cantido | CutMeOwnThroat: ps2 stuff does need to be connected at boot from what I remember |
| 13:50.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | OpenTokix, udb? |
| 13:50.20 | OpenTokix | CutMeOwnThroat: usb |
| 13:50.50 | cantido | ah, it's ps2 to usb.. never seen one of those |
| 13:51.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | cantido, actually not... I think I connected ps2 during runtime and it works fine - only in one out of 10 computers you try this with, it fries the ps2 chipset... so generally people don't try it a lot |
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| 13:52.15 | cantido | CutMeOwnThroat: does lsusb/dmesg give any output about the adaptor when you plug it in? |
| 13:52.31 | crypted | allright im testing out greylisting |
| 13:52.35 | crypted | (waits 60 seconds) |
| 13:53.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | cantido, as I said... jes, the adapter is recognized (that's from dmesg) and it has two ps2 outlets, one for mouse and one for kbd and the mouse works, only the kbd does not produce keystrokes |
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| 13:53.49 | cantido | CutMeOwnThroat: I was interested in what it reports itself as |
| 13:54.01 | honschu | Hi, I get: "latex: fwrite: File too large" ... what to do? The expected filesize is 3GB. |
| 13:54.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | cantido, http://pastebin.com/RVj0cVSV |
| 13:54.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | "Generic USB K/B " |
| 13:55.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | I also see an udev entry for input484... not sure what to do with it, though |
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| 13:55.57 | cantido | there should be a dev node in /dev/input you can cat the input from |
| 13:56.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://pastebin.com/adu7KzWw that's the one with the keyboard that works |
| 13:57.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | can't see any relevant difference |
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| 13:57.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | (both are mouse+keyboard) |
| 13:58.06 | cantido | it is the same adaptor? |
| 13:58.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 13:58.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | one is a an adaptor that connects to a wireless keyboard and mouse |
| 13:58.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | and is sold as a unit like this |
| 13:59.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | the non-working one was bought just as the adapter and connects to a keyboard and mouse I already had |
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| 13:59.29 | stuckey | !spreadsheet |
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| 13:59.47 | cantido | CutMeOwnThroat: does capslock work on the keyboard on the adapter? |
| 14:00.01 | stuckey | What package do I install for the openoffice spreadsheet ? |
| 14:00.11 | cantido | stuckey: openoffice-calc IIRc |
| 14:00.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | I dunno... as far as I'm concerned, it should work when I see a device assigned like /classinput/something |
| 14:00.18 | stuckey | that's not intuitive |
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| 14:01.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm |
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| 14:01.25 | cantido | CutMeOwnThroat: IIRC the capslock key on a PS2 keyboard is controlled by the microcontroller in the keyboard.. if caps lock doesn't work the keyboard isn't alive |
| 14:01.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | cantido, interesting... no - the leds flash when I plug it in, then it's dead |
| 14:01.54 | cantido | stuckey: openoffice.org-calc |
| 14:02.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | you think it's just not getting enough power, then? |
| 14:02.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess I could test this... there must still be windows on this laptop... if it's a difference in the power supplied by the usb port, switching to windows would mean it doesn't work either |
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| 14:03.41 | cantido | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm just reading a page about the PS2 stuff, might find something you can test |
| 14:04.27 | cantido | I think the LEDs are controlled by commands coming from the host.. and a micro turns them on and off. If the don't work it shows that the micro is running/doing anything.. I think |
| 14:04.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | cantido, hmmm.... might be some run-time thing... took ages until num/caps started working on the windows machine either |
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| 14:08.25 | SOUL_OF_R00T | anyone knows tell me if squeeze have ati hd4290 (new fglrx!)driver built in |
| 14:08.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | cantido, if I cat the device of the keyboard, I get output about every 1 second |
| 14:08.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | no change, when I type |
| 14:08.50 | jordanm | SOUL_OF_R00T: the fglrx page on the wiki links to pdfs that list supported cards |
| 14:09.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | cantido, when I cat the device of the one that works, I get a bit output, then nothing until I type on it |
| 14:09.29 | jordanm | SOUL_OF_R00T: it is not "built-in" nor included in main however |
| 14:09.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks like it's doing repeated requests that fail |
| 14:10.48 | cantido | CutMeOwnThroat: http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=PS2-to-USB+adapters |
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| 14:12.37 | cantido | CutMeOwnThroat: does mention current draw there. maybe the port on that machine can't provide as much as the other one |
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| 14:13.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | cantido, it's the 13ba:0017 one of this list |
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| 14:13.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | cantido, yes... that's what I am suspecting... |
| 14:14.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | I just tried a different ps2 keyboard, but with the same result |
| 14:15.07 | cantido | CutMeOwnThroat: you could try it via a powered usb hub |
| 14:15.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | don't have one here, I think |
| 14:15.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm... had one before I went to the US... might be in some box |
| 14:16.40 | cantido | maybe a live cd in the other machine just to make sure it isn't a linux issue |
| 14:16.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | so guess it really is the power |
| 14:17.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | could do that, true |
| 14:17.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | or boot into windows here |
| 14:17.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | but other way around is the better test |
| 14:17.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | cantido, thanks for going through that with me |
| 14:17.50 | OpenTokix | woopedido.... datacenter: check; waiting for fsck: check! |
| 14:17.52 | OpenTokix | http://random.0x7b8.net/pics/lilje_rack_och_pinstol.jpg |
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| 14:18.18 | cantido | had SD card readers that would only work from a powered hub |
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| 14:19.00 | cantido | OpenTokix: noisy and cold? |
| 14:19.15 | OpenTokix | cantido: it's not that bad - sitting in t-shirt - but very dry air |
| 14:19.20 | antivigilante | is there a way to make wget ignore certain links when getting items recursively |
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| 14:19.34 | OpenTokix | I have like 10 machines without nice ipmi-interfaces, always those damn boxes breaking down =) |
| 14:19.48 | OpenTokix | antivigilante: rsync --exclude |
| 14:19.54 | dkr | antivigilante: man wget /exclude |
| 14:20.00 | antivigilante | ok |
| 14:20.03 | antivigilante | cool |
| 14:20.17 | OpenTokix | antivigilante: sorry, wget - didnt read full line - only parts, sorry for my ignorance |
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| 14:20.32 | cantido | OpenTokix: there are VGA + USB/PS2 -> IP thingys. Bit pricey though |
| 14:20.43 | OpenTokix | cantido: I know, won't help me now =) |
| 14:21.01 | OpenTokix | cantido: all new machines have ipmi |
| 14:21.02 | jozefk | how to get vim syntax on, on debian ppc? |
| 14:21.52 | jordanm | jozefk: you likely need full vim, not vim-tiny that comes with debian. |
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| 14:22.24 | jozefk | where is that full vim? |
| 14:22.29 | cantido | OpenTokix: at least all the floor panels are in place.. |
| 14:22.40 | cantido | used to have to be careful not to fall into the floor |
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| 14:23.00 | OpenTokix | cantido: yes, I would throw a mental fit if someone left them open |
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| 14:25.51 | antivigilante | actually -np --no-parent did the trick |
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| 14:28.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | jozefk, package just "vim", instead of "vim-tiny" |
| 14:28.29 | jozefk | got it. thanks |
| 14:29.13 | The_Machine | Little help? I'm trying to install php4 and getting errors: http://imgur.com/2pLA8 |
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| 14:29.35 | cantido | The_Machine: php4? That's long gone |
| 14:29.44 | The_Machine | cantido, i can't even install it? |
| 14:29.46 | cantido | It was removed for lenny I think |
| 14:29.51 | The_Machine | :( |
| 14:30.10 | cantido | The_Machine: is that machine etch? |
| 14:30.58 | The_Machine | it's 5 - i think Lenny no? |
| 14:31.17 | edju | Running squeeze. Nvidia video. I have no virtual terminals. /etc/inittab is good. Found on the forum that creating /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-kernel-nkc.conf with NVreg_UseVBios=0 worked, but it doesn't. Still no vts. Any hints, pointers, etc appreciated. |
| 14:31.27 | The_Machine | 5.0.6 |
| 14:31.34 | cantido | The_Machine: 5 is lenny, what does /etc/debian_version say? |
| 14:32.14 | cantido | The_Machine: do you have an source as well? |
| 14:32.20 | cantido | The_Machine: an etch source |
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| 14:33.18 | The_Machine | cantido, honestly it's a pretty fresh install of Lenny. (I'm a total noob). I haven't added any etch sources into the sources.list if that's what you mean |
| 14:33.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | cantido, good page you found there... should have looked at it before buying and adapter :) |
| 14:33.37 | The_Machine | cantido, so I can't install php4 with just the default Lenny sources.list? |
| 14:34.27 | The_Machine | ahh, i see. |
| 14:34.43 | cantido | The_Machine: is there any reason you can't use php5? |
| 14:35.19 | The_Machine | cantido, i don't know what the heck i'm doing :) The code is really old and i was told by someone in another channel it might not work. |
| 14:35.29 | The_Machine | but they haven't seen the code |
| 14:35.34 | Flasheart | lp |
| 14:35.35 | cantido | The_Machine: try it with php5 first |
| 14:36.09 | The_Machine | is going to now! |
| 14:36.10 | cantido | The_Machine: you could build your own php4, there might be packages around for it.. but I don't think it's supported at all any more so you should try and avoid it if possible |
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| 14:37.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | cantido, tee-hee, in a year that page will tell us one can replace the firmware on those things and do all kinds of fancy stuffs :) |
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| 14:37.31 | The_Machine | cantido, i'll get an old debian installation if necessary. for now will try php5 |
| 14:37.56 | cantido | The_Machine: you could run etch inside a chroot, just for that one script |
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| 14:38.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | probably easier to fix the script, though? |
| 14:38.45 | cantido | yeah |
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| 14:42.09 | cantido | CutMeOwnThroat: it's probably a small micro inside.. they do like to fill those things with glue so that you can't get at the workings though |
| 14:44.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | right |
| 14:44.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I keep being amazed at the things you can somehow smuggle your own code into |
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| 14:47.54 | ZenWalker | hi |
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| 14:49.15 | ZenWalker | flashplugin-nonfree is deleted |
| 14:49.22 | ZenWalker | ? |
| 14:49.35 | jordanm | from amd64 and squeeze, yes |
| 14:50.09 | cantido | ZenWalker: there is a work-around on the debian wiki |
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| 14:50.28 | ZenWalker | some equivalent ? |
| 14:50.29 | cantido | ZenWalker: http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 14:50.44 | cantido | it's a little bit ropey but it does work |
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| 14:52.49 | ZenWalker | on the wiki is flashplugin-nonfree |
| 14:53.02 | cantido | CutMeOwnThroat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNCqrylNY-0 -- OT but sort of related to hacking that ps2->usb adapter |
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| 14:57.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | cantido, hehe... cute... but that guy must have too much time on his hands |
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| 15:02.32 | cantido | ZenWalker: if you look down the page it a bit it does detail the work around for squeeze |
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| 15:07.34 | ZenWalker | thanks |
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| 15:12.48 | wrksx | I need to have one directory writable by multiple users, but I also need that when a user ceate a file, another one can delete it. I created a group containg all the users, I don't know how to have the group of the new file set to correct value |
| 15:13.27 | wrksx | I want my users to be able to do anything inside this directory |
| 15:13.36 | wrksx | everything |
| 15:13.42 | jpinx-eeepc | wrksx: just make the whole dir and contents 665 |
| 15:14.00 | wrksx | jpinx-eeepc, i'll try, thx |
| 15:14.08 | jpinx-eeepc | or is it 655 -- I always get the numerial chmod mixed up |
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| 15:14.33 | wrksx | say it in a non-numerical way |
| 15:15.45 | jordanm | wrksx: creation of the file will always result in it using the initial group, not supplementary groups |
| 15:16.02 | jordanm | wrksx: you might want to implement ACLs in this situation |
| 15:16.31 | wrksx | jordanm, isn't there any possibility to have the created file inherit the group from parent dir ? |
| 15:16.32 | jpinx-eeepc | wrksx: there ya go - jordanm knows heaps more than me ;) |
| 15:16.43 | jordanm | wrksx: no |
| 15:17.00 | jrollins | hey, folks |
| 15:17.14 | wrksx | jordanm, is Acl hard to understand ? |
| 15:17.15 | stew | !greet jrollins |
| 15:17.15 | dpkg | Wassup, jrollins |
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| 15:17.22 | jrollins | what's the best way to file a bug that there is no /etc/alternatives for pdf viewers? |
| 15:17.44 | karlpinc | wrksx: chmod g+s /foo/bar/baz/ |
| 15:17.48 | jrollins | should i file separate bugs against all viewer packages? |
| 15:18.05 | jrollins | can i file one bug against all packages? |
| 15:18.05 | karlpinc | wrksx: And then put everybody in the directory's group. |
| 15:18.31 | wrksx | karlpinc, but then when a user create a file, another user can't delete it |
| 15:18.33 | jordanm | wrksx: its very similar to how permissions function in windows |
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| 15:18.52 | wrksx | jordanm, I'll google a little bit |
| 15:19.08 | karlpinc | wrksx: They can if you : chmod g+a /foo/bar/baz/ |
| 15:19.30 | wrksx | karlpinc, what means a ? |
| 15:19.34 | wrksx | karlpinc, what means +a ? |
| 15:19.38 | karlpinc | wrksx: rwx |
| 15:19.43 | Gijs | people i did: "tar xvf backup.tar" and it backups like 90% of the files, but then i get: "tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors" |
| 15:19.44 | wrksx | and +s ? |
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| 15:20.11 | karlpinc | wrksx: man chmod. Anything created in the dir has the group of the dir. |
| 15:20.36 | wrksx | karlpinc, I will, thx |
| 15:20.39 | jordanm | Gijs: "x" would extract your backup, not create it, and as indicated by what you posted, there are other errors before that one |
| 15:20.51 | jordanm | karlpinc: setguid accomplishes that? |
| 15:21.00 | Gijs | i mean extracts a backup |
| 15:21.08 | karlpinc | jordanm: That is how you set setgid. |
| 15:21.16 | Gijs | it restored 90% of the files and then i get "tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors" |
| 15:21.17 | karlpinc | jordanm: On directories. |
| 15:21.34 | jordanm | Gijs: right, that error is worthless, you have errors before that are relevant |
| 15:21.51 | karlpinc | jordanm: (yes it does, on directories) |
| 15:22.59 | wrksx | karlpinc, so if I got it correctly, if I got /dir owned by user:users and I shmod g+s /dir, every new dir or file in this /dir will be owned by :users ? |
| 15:24.28 | karlpinc | jordanm: See also USERGROUPS_ENAB in man login.defs |
| 15:25.24 | karlpinc | wrksx: No, it'll have a group of "users". Then you put everybody you want in this group. |
| 15:25.39 | jordanm | karlpinc: that only tells me it takes a booleon but doesn't seem to describe what it does? |
| 15:25.53 | karlpinc | wrksx: And make sure the umask allows the group all permissions. |
| 15:26.46 | wrksx | karlpinc, I tested it it works *exactly* as expected =) thanks a lot |
| 15:26.54 | jordanm | also, the bottom of the manpage indicates the login.defs is deprecated in favor of pam |
| 15:26.57 | karlpinc | jordanm: Yah. It set it up so that the umask allows all permissions on the group (I think) and then keeps home dirs secure by giving each user their own group. There's a good article on redhat.com, somewhere. |
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| 15:27.24 | jordanm | karlpinc: oh, I think I recall a -devel discussion on the topic |
| 15:27.28 | karlpinc | wrksx: It's a common sort of thing to want to do. |
| 15:28.13 | karlpinc | jordanm: Too bad nobody documented it. |
| 15:28.18 | wrksx | karlpinc, I understand that and that's why I asked =) |
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| 15:29.10 | karlpinc | wrksx: You do need each user to have their own group, and use that in the home dirs. But that's the default. |
| 15:30.35 | wrksx | karlpinc, hum ok but I needed this for a shared directory, only accessible to the members of my group |
| 15:30.46 | wrksx | karlpinc, not for user dirs |
| 15:30.56 | pinnen | what filesystem should I use for mouting ntfs? ntfs-3g or ntfsmount? |
| 15:31.03 | pinnen | mounting* |
| 15:31.28 | pinnen | witch is more stable? |
| 15:31.51 | cantido | pinnen: what do you mean by stable? works the best? |
| 15:32.13 | pinnen | cantido: yes :D |
| 15:32.31 | pinnen | more developed or, seen as the most used one? |
| 15:32.34 | karlpinc | wrksx: Each user's home directory should have a group with the same name as the user. That's what allows umask to grant all rights to the group while still keeping the home dirs secure. |
| 15:32.36 | pinnen | I would guess ntfs-3g |
| 15:33.30 | cantido | pinnen: quick google'ing seems to suggest ntfs-3g |
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| 15:34.14 | remoteCTRL | hui guys! i just changed my hostname in /etc/hostname now i keep getting sudo: unable to resolv hostname <hostname> how can i foyx this? |
| 15:34.14 | karlpinc | wrksx: So, you need a new group for your shared project. You can't use your group or you grant everybody in the group all rights to all your stuff. |
| 15:34.19 | pinnen | cantido: ok.. thanks |
| 15:34.25 | remoteCTRL | ermm meant fix this... |
| 15:34.35 | wrksx | karlpinc, ok I got it, I use the group staff |
| 15:34.49 | wrksx | karlpinc but I ls -la /home |
| 15:35.01 | cantido | remoteCTRL: what does /etc/hosts look like |
| 15:35.22 | remoteCTRL | cantido: nothing in there except for the hostname |
| 15:35.31 | wrksx | karlpinc, and I got drwxr-xr-x while expected drwxr-sr-x after reading what you said. maybe misunderstood your statements |
| 15:35.36 | cantido | remoteCTRL: is it the same as the new hostname? |
| 15:36.01 | cantido | remoteCTRL: iirc 127.0.1.1 should be the local hostname |
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| 15:36.47 | karlpinc | wrksx: Nah. The sticky bit does not need to be set on home dirs because it's the user's primary group so new files automatically get the same group as the username. (clear?) |
| 15:36.57 | remoteCTRL | cantido: it is the same as the hostname it also appears in command prompts only thing going wrong is this sudo: unable to resolve hostname and this one also says the correct hostname not the old one |
| 15:37.06 | karlpinc | s/sticky/setgid |
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| 15:37.33 | remoteCTRL | cantido: with no harm doing btw it just appears without doing/not doing anything else |
| 15:37.35 | wrksx | karlpinc, perfectly clear =) thanks a lot for your time |
| 15:37.45 | cantido | remoteCTRL: um, you might have to use the hostname command to change what the kernel thinks the hostname is |
| 15:37.58 | remoteCTRL | ok? |
| 15:37.59 | remoteCTRL | sec pls |
| 15:38.09 | cantido | remoteCTRL: hostname -F /etc/hostname |
| 15:39.05 | remoteCTRL | cantido: unfortunately still the same--- |
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| 15:39.53 | jpinx-eeepc | what's it mean when ping fails with - ping: sendmsg: Invalid argument |
| 15:40.00 | remoteCTRL | cantido: but i gottta run for the bus now ill be back tomorrow, thanks so far! |
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| 15:40.11 | cantido | jpinx-eeepc: do you have any iptables rules? |
| 15:40.12 | jordanm | jpinx-eeepc: from my experience, your routes are jacked up |
| 15:40.14 | astruasdh | please, how can I recover a deleted file on a reiser 4 filesystem? |
| 15:40.33 | cantido | remoteCTRL: maybe try rebooting, heh |
| 15:40.39 | jpinx-eeepc | unjacks his routes ;) |
| 15:40.42 | wrksx | karlpinc, unfortunatly I used chmod g+s recursivly, and now my files are -rw-rwSr--. What means the upper S ? |
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| 15:43.57 | Gui_0 | i remember a program/utility that would reset windows passwords - it seemed quite versatile - does anyone remember its name? |
| 15:44.15 | ansgar | wrksx: `info ls' knows. (setgid, but not executable) |
| 15:44.25 | wrksx | ansgar, ok thx |
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| 15:45.45 | karlpinc | wrksx: Use find -d to just set the dirs, or -f (?) to reset your files. |
| 15:46.20 | jordanm | Gui_0: chpasswd IIRC |
| 15:46.29 | ruben23 | how to tar and zip directory on linux server |
| 15:47.14 | wrksx | karlpinc, ow cool. find -f /myDir | chmod g-s seems ok to you ? |
| 15:47.24 | Gui_0 | jordanm, thanks i finally found it - its actually chntpasswd for windows passwords though :) |
| 15:47.25 | jordanm | Gui_0: chntpw |
| 15:47.27 | karlpinc | ruben23: If you're tar-ing you probably don't want to zip. You want to gzip. tar -czf foo.tgz /foo/bar/baz/ |
| 15:47.32 | cahoot | ruben23: man tar - even has examples |
| 15:48.27 | karlpinc | wrksx: Probably find -f /myDir -exec chomd g-s {} \; But maybe put echo in front of the chmod to test first. |
| 15:48.54 | jpinx-eeepc | tried sorting the network interfaces, but still getting - ping: sendmsg: Invalid argument |
| 15:49.18 | wrksx | karlpinc, ok i'll try it first, but find -f /mydir = find: unknown predicate `-f` |
| 15:49.25 | jordanm | cahoot: no, it doesn't |
| 15:49.45 | jordanm | cahoot: debian does not ship the real manpage as its GFDL license is not compliant with dfsg |
| 15:49.46 | karlpinc | wrksx: RTFM. There's also a way to tell find to find just the things with particular permissions, but that might be overkill. |
| 15:50.05 | cahoot | jordanm: it does so here |
| 15:50.19 | jordanm | cahoot: what version of debian? |
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| 15:50.44 | wrksx | karlpinc, ok sorry i won't bother you anymore. thanks for the help indeed |
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| 15:50.52 | karlpinc | wrksx: -type f |
| 15:51.08 | wrksx | karlpinc, I just found it in the man page |
| 15:51.21 | wrksx | karlpinc, =) |
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| 15:52.16 | karlpinc | is sad that the gnu info pages are in non-free |
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| 15:53.02 | karlpinc | jordanm: Well, the info pages are in non-free. |
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| 15:53.18 | jordanm | cahoot: ah, I see on my sid system |
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| 15:56.43 | Tasyne | Do users have no privs by default, in the /etc/sudoers file? and then you have to specify what they do have access to (whitelist style) |
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| 15:56.49 | Tasyne | or am I missing something? |
| 15:57.13 | Tasyne | I'm trying to give a single user access to a handful of scripts, but they seem to be able to execute more than that. |
| 15:57.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | no sudoers rights by default |
| 15:57.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | you must have done it |
| 15:58.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | root ALL=(ALL) ALL # this is it by default |
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| 15:59.13 | Tasyne | k... then I have my one account which specifies a few perl scripts specifically. |
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| 15:59.29 | Tasyne | but I'm able to run other perl scripts in that same directory, which is not what I wanted. |
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| 16:07.06 | cusco | hi |
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| 16:07.23 | cusco | we have a server that has a tigon3 network adapter |
| 16:07.51 | cusco | dmesg shows: Tigon3 [partno(BCM95721) rev 4101 PHY(5750)] (PCI Express) 10/100/1000Base-T Ethernet 00:14:5e:2a:39:b8 |
| 16:08.14 | cusco | and the cable is cat5-e connected to a gigabit switch |
| 16:08.28 | cusco | but I can only scp at 10 Mbps |
| 16:08.34 | cusco | how can I diagnose that? |
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| 16:09.45 | cantido | cusco: does mii-tool work? you should also see the link speed come up in dmesg if you unplug/plug the cable |
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| 16:10.31 | cusco | cantido: ethtool shows http://paste.debian.net/88895/ |
| 16:10.44 | cusco | cantido: can't unplug the cable right now |
| 16:11.18 | cusco | cantido: eth1: negotiated 100baseTx-FD, link ok |
| 16:11.28 | cusco | damn, why is it 100 only? |
| 16:11.32 | cantido | cusco: ok, so it's running at 100Mb |
| 16:11.40 | cantido | hence 10MB through put |
| 16:11.43 | cusco | yes |
| 16:11.56 | cusco | eth0 on the other hand: eth0: negotiated 1000baseT-HD flow-control, link ok |
| 16:12.11 | cusco | tho its a crossed over cable connected directly to a machine |
| 16:12.12 | cantido | cusco: same card type and switch? |
| 16:12.17 | cusco | not to the switched network |
| 16:12.29 | cusco | its the same type of card |
| 16:12.31 | cusco | brb |
| 16:12.40 | cantido | you probably don't need the cross over |
| 16:12.58 | cantido | doesn't gigabit use all the pairs? |
| 16:14.10 | cusco | cantido: I really don't know, I just wanted to connect a computer directly to another, that is done with eth0 |
| 16:14.21 | cusco | my problem is now with eth1, on the switched network |
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| 16:14.59 | cantido | cusco: 1000BASE-T uses all four pairs and a normal cross over cable only has one TX and one RX pair switched |
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| 16:15.54 | cusco | cantido: I remeber I actualy made the cable myself, and yes I switched tx and rx |
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| 16:16.12 | cusco | (I followed some image on google, but it was crossed) |
| 16:16.56 | cantido | cusco: 100BASE-T uses one pair in each direction, only 2 pairs out of 4. I'm not sure if that is the issue, but try a straight cat5e cable between them |
| 16:17.00 | JK3MP | I don't believe Debian is detecting my Wireless card. Any way to fix this? ifconfig only brings up eth0 and lo. |
| 16:17.25 | cantido | JK3MP: what does iwconfig, dmesg, lspci etc say? |
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| 16:17.46 | cusco | cantido: but... on eth1 (with only 100 link) has a cat5-e cable straight |
| 16:17.55 | JK3MP | cantido, Iwconfig says no wireless extensions on eth0 and lo |
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| 16:18.02 | cusco | eth0 has a crossed over cable, but that does not mather right now... |
| 16:18.23 | cusco | JK3MP: lspci|grep net |
| 16:18.25 | cantido | cusco: ok, that confused me.. so what is different about eth0 and eth1? |
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| 16:18.49 | cantido | cusco: eth0 is connected to another GigE nic via a crossover.. eth1 is going to a switch? |
| 16:18.49 | cusco | cantido: eth0 connects to another computer, eth1 connects to a gigabit switch |
| 16:18.52 | JK3MP | All it shows is Ethernet controller. |
| 16:19.32 | cusco | JK3MP: shows: Ethernet controller: <important part here> rev(bla) |
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| 16:19.47 | cusco | what is the chipset |
| 16:19.52 | cantido | cusco: are other machines negioating with the switch correctly? |
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| 16:20.04 | JK3MP | Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] 79c970 [PCnet32 LANCE] |
| 16:20.09 | cantido | cusco: might just be a case of restarting auto-neg |
| 16:20.19 | JK3MP | is all it say after Ethernet Controller. |
| 16:20.24 | cantido | JK3MP: sure that isn't a virtual machine? |
| 16:20.46 | JK3MP | Yes I am running it in VMWare to test. Is this only b/c its in VMware? |
| 16:21.09 | JK3MP | I've run other linux distros and it displays wireless points just fine. |
| 16:21.13 | cantido | JK3MP: unless you give the vm access to the hardware how is it going to "detect" it? |
| 16:21.34 | JK3MP | cantido I thought i did but i'll check :P I'll feel stupid. |
| 16:21.44 | cantido | JK3MP: is it pci or usb? |
| 16:21.54 | JK3MP | pci |
| 16:22.17 | cantido | JK3MP: ok, it should appear in lspci then. Even if the kernel doesn't have drivers for it |
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| 16:23.03 | cusco | cantido: my bad... it is actually not a gigabit switch (I just found out it was switched with another switch) |
| 16:23.17 | cusco | grr |
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| 16:23.29 | cusco | thanks a lot cantido , did not know about mii-tool |
| 16:23.29 | sdschulze | Is there really no canonical way to store iptables so they will be activated upon reboot? |
| 16:23.39 | JK3MP | Hmmm... I'll try an actual install and see if I get same problems. (dual booting either way) . Thanks again. |
| 16:23.46 | sdschulze | (as suggested on debian-administration.org) |
| 16:24.30 | Saliven | hi all |
| 16:24.36 | cantido | cusco: it doesn't work with all cards from what I remember, I think ethtool can show media/link info too |
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| 16:24.58 | jordanm | sdschulze: IIRC typically done using post-up in interfaces. check the iptables page on the wiki |
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| 16:25.45 | cantido | thought there was iptables-save or somethimg |
| 16:25.49 | Saliven | got a problem with installing debian here... wanna dualboot with Win7, as this setup worked for me previously and this is only a reinstall... installed win7, then installed debian testing latest build and on startup i got black screen right after the bluetooth module initializes |
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| 16:27.02 | sdschulze | Saliven: If it comes so far, it's kinda unlikely that it's related to dual-booting. |
| 16:28.07 | Saliven | sdschulze: Yeah i thought so, but then what it could be? |
| 16:28.08 | sdschulze | Have you tried rescue mode? |
| 16:28.57 | Saliven | well... before i tried newest build, i was installing from an older one, and it didnt work either so i tried rescue mode |
| 16:29.06 | Saliven | i think it didnt load completely |
| 16:29.18 | Saliven | but i had a chance to login as root |
| 16:29.42 | Saliven | btw i have no idea what to do once i got to rescue mode :) |
| 16:29.53 | sdschulze | From there, do a telinit 2. |
| 16:30.00 | sdschulze | to reproduce the problem |
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| 16:31.13 | Saliven | yeah so i ended up with black screen again after telinit 2 |
| 16:31.25 | eikenberry | Anyone using Iceweasel 3.6 from experimental? If so, is it stable enough for day to day use? |
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| 16:33.08 | alcy | does anyone use debdelta around here ? the idea seems appealing |
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| 16:35.58 | Saliven | damn i just dont know what to do with it... |
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| 16:38.18 | jjl | hi all :-) Im writeing some script so handle hotplug-events (ide/sata disks) on debian squeeze |
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| 16:39.13 | jjl | is it dangerous to rescan the scsi-bus if there are already registered devices? (by echo 0 0 0 > /sys/class/scsi_host/host?/scan) |
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| 16:40.08 | jjl | e.g my root-partition is on sda2 so it is attached to host0 |
| 16:40.25 | jjl | is it ok to rescan the bus? |
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| 16:47.41 | ems | guys alittle help please? |
| 16:47.59 | ems | http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/9155/deb.png |
| 16:48.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's a png picture |
| 16:48.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | what did I win |
| 16:48.33 | DipSwitch | lol |
| 16:48.46 | ems | i thought this was where the elite were i guess nothing but children |
| 16:49.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | thanks... it's a compliment at my age |
| 16:49.07 | macrobat | ems: you are trying to boot with PXE ? |
| 16:49.13 | ems | no |
| 16:49.21 | ems | trying to install debian |
| 16:49.42 | speedmann | if you aks your question like a child, you get anwsers for a child... So please aks your question and tell us what you want to do |
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| 16:50.02 | macrobat | ems: maybe a bios setting, to let you boot from cd |
| 16:50.23 | ems | i never asked a question like a child, i cant be blamed for your immaturity there sorry nice try speedmann |
| 16:50.32 | macrobat | welcome to #debian, the friendly channel |
| 16:50.33 | ems | maybe |
| 16:50.35 | ems | will check it out |
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| 16:51.02 | speedmann | indeed ems you never asked a question :) |
| 16:51.22 | speedmann | but it is offtopic so someone is helping you allready |
| 16:51.32 | ems | okay i tried being nice about it, but you know speedmann, only a f'n retard would not get that pic as a question |
| 16:51.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | I dunno... he writes out quizzes and then says a) the answer is invalid and b) we never learn what the prize is... I don't see that that's unfriendly behavior from _our_ part |
| 16:52.25 | jhutchins_lt | ems: Clearly you're running under some sort of VM, and clearly that VM is not presenting a PXE capability on it's emulation of the network card. |
| 16:52.45 | jhutchins_lt | ems: Also, plain text is a great way to ask questions without the need for screenshots. |
| 16:52.55 | DipSwitch | ems, do you even know what goes wrong? |
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| 16:53.56 | sdschulze | ems: Check the syslog on the server. |
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| 16:54.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | jjl, don't you _have_ to rescan to see new devices? How can it be dangerous if you have to... |
| 16:54.19 | sdschulze | thinks that OpenVPN rocks. |
| 16:54.49 | DipSwitch | thinks that ssh tunnels rock ^.^ |
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| 16:55.32 | sdschulze | nah, not at the same extent |
| 16:55.33 | ems | DipSwitch, sdschulze, macrobat, i got it now thanks. |
| 16:55.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | clearly he shows some screenshot of something that wants to boot with PXE and fails, but all else is unclear |
| 16:57.21 | DipSwitch | CutMeOwnThroat, no shit, but what got that to do with debian? |
| 16:57.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | DipSwitch, which one? |
| 16:58.06 | DipSwitch | what got a PXE boot failure to do with debian :p |
| 16:58.24 | sdschulze | Maybe the PXE server runs Debian. |
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| 16:58.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | what do you ask me? it's not my screenshot... but he said he wanted to install debian that way *shrug* |
| 16:58.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | I _said_ everything else is unclear |
| 16:59.36 | DipSwitch | hehe |
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| 17:03.43 | quitte | the screenshot quite nicely shows the problem. the bootp server doesn't tell the filename to download from tftp |
| 17:04.11 | jhutchins_lt | CutMeOwnThroat: Well, the fact that he has a screenshot of the boot process strongly suggests that he's running a VPN. |
| 17:05.06 | valdyn | vps |
| 17:05.14 | quitte | ems: ^^ |
| 17:06.00 | ems | yes i know thanks |
| 17:06.06 | ems | :) |
| 17:07.03 | jhutchins_lt | valdyn: virtualization anyway. |
| 17:07.31 | jhutchins_lt | That or a serial console, which is unlikely. |
| 17:09.31 | valdyn | ems: i would think booting from the cdrom image directly is alot more straightforward in any virtualisation environment |
| 17:09.32 | quitte | DipSwitch: here is what pxe booting has got to do with debian: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s05.html.en |
| 17:09.38 | quitte | it's from the stable manual |
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| 17:19.43 | znull | hello, how do I turn open relay on exim4(debian) ? thanks |
| 17:20.33 | valdyn | znull: why would you want to create an open relay? |
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| 17:20.48 | znull | valdyn : i need this for 5 minutes.. |
| 17:21.02 | petemc | the hosts exim accepts mail from is controlled by the relay_from_hosts hostlist |
| 17:21.25 | znull | hostlist relay_from_hosts = MAIN_RELAY_NETS |
| 17:21.41 | znull | hosts = +relay_from_hosts control = submission/sender_retain |
| 17:21.47 | znull | should I post exim4.conf |
| 17:21.47 | znull | ? |
| 17:21.49 | valdyn | znull: do that editing in update-exim4.conf.conf |
| 17:22.35 | znull | valdyn : and what should I edit in update-exim4.conf.conf ? |
| 17:23.03 | znull | http://pastebin.com/srutjajS |
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| 17:23.19 | jjl | CutMeOwnThroat: You're right. But if I rescan, dmesg show me messages like "ata1: hard resetting link". And I was not sure if this is not dangerous to filesystems are mounted. But if you're sure, so I'm happy with this |
| 17:24.08 | valdyn | znull: just dc_relay_nets I think |
| 17:24.36 | znull | true ? |
| 17:24.43 | znull | dc_relay_nets='' ? |
| 17:24.55 | mister_m | how do I set up myswl on debian |
| 17:24.59 | mister_m | mysql |
| 17:25.10 | valdyn | znull: you can do this guided via "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" |
| 17:25.35 | jordanm | mister_m: the same way you install any other package |
| 17:25.40 | valdyn | znull: more like 0.0.0.0/0 |
| 17:25.45 | thewanderer1 | mister_m: aptitude install mysql-server, answer the questions and you're ok |
| 17:26.26 | jordanm | thewanderer1: I think he could have got more learning from that question, provided the answer was not so specific :) |
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| 17:28.17 | MaximLevitsky | I want to reinstall package with its configuration files |
| 17:28.31 | znull | valdyn : hmm not working |
| 17:28.31 | MaximLevitsky | Is that possible to do without purge? |
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| 17:28.57 | valdyn | znull: *WHAT* is not working after you did what? |
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| 17:29.46 | jordanm | !tell MaximLevitsky about confmiss |
| 17:29.53 | stew | MaximLevitsky: "/msg dpkg confmiss" confmiss will replace missing. there is also confnew to also overwrite your changes in existing conffiles |
| 17:30.33 | znull | valdyn : http://pastebin.com/44iMPfdt |
| 17:30.49 | stew | (the pedant in me wants to mention that this is only for conffile though, not for all configuration files, as the original question specified) |
| 17:30.53 | MaximLevitsky | jordanm: thanks! |
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| 17:31.15 | valdyn | znull: i dont want to parse your html code |
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| 17:31.46 | valdyn | znull: just tell me what you did, no need to run tests yet |
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| 17:32.36 | znull | valdyn : I changed dc_relay_nets='0.0.0.0/0' in /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf did update-exim4.conf and restarted exim4 |
| 17:32.37 | valdyn | znull: is this nokia messaging by incident? |
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| 17:33.24 | znull | valdyn : yeah.4 |
| 17:33.33 | codrus | in aptitude how do I cancel any or all actions I've selected? ctrl-u doesn't do anything since nothings been done yet |
| 17:34.00 | thewanderer1 | hmm, exit aptitude? :P |
| 17:34.10 | codrus | but it remembers them when i restart it |
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| 17:36.33 | valdyn | znull: indeed nokia messaging is as bad as it gets there |
| 17:37.23 | stew | codrus: Cancel pending actions in the Actions menu? |
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| 17:38.50 | codrus | stew: thanks! |
| 17:39.14 | codrus | i forgot about those pull down menus |
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| 17:42.23 | valdyn | znull: whats your dc_eximconfig_configtype ? |
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| 17:42.42 | MaximLevitsky | jordanm: yet, the confnew doesn't work |
| 17:43.04 | MaximLevitsky | jordanm: it doesn't restore the modified config file |
| 17:43.48 | znull | valdyn : any news?:) |
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| 17:43.58 | valdyn | 19:42 < valdyn> znull: whats your dc_eximconfig_configtype ? |
| 17:44.14 | jordanm | MaximLevitsky: are they conffiles? |
| 17:44.29 | MaximLevitsky | jordanm: sure, I did debsums -ec |
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| 17:44.55 | jordanm | !conffiles |
| 17:44.55 | dpkg | i heard conffiles is /var/lib/dpkg/info/<pkg>.conffiles or ask me about <confmiss>. |
| 17:44.57 | MaximLevitsky | jordanm: I just want a quick way to restore few conffiles I edited |
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| 17:45.02 | jordanm | MaximLevitsky: are they listed in the above file? |
| 17:45.11 | jhutchins_lt | MaximLevitsky: Any reason for not just deleting the conf files then replacing them? |
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| 17:45.29 | MaximLevitsky | jhutchins_lt: no, just a bit slower... |
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| 17:46.07 | jhutchins_lt | MaximLevitsky: You can copy the originals to *.conf.dist before you edit them, that way you can see your changes with diff. |
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| 17:46.53 | cweiske | Hi. How do I find out which package "download.h" belongs to? |
| 17:47.05 | valdyn | cweiske: dpkg -S |
| 17:47.05 | MaximLevitsky | jhutchins_lt: sure, these files I know the content, I just want to rule out that some change in them causing the bootsplash not to appear |
| 17:47.12 | cweiske | (the file is not installed yet) |
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| 17:47.35 | MaximLevitsky | I did once few changes to upstart config files |
| 17:47.58 | MaximLevitsky | who knows... its very unlikely |
| 17:48.03 | jordanm | MaximLevitsky: upstart? in which version of debian? |
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| 17:48.25 | MaximLevitsky | jordanm: ubuntu 10.4 |
| 17:48.39 | jordanm | MaximLevitsky: great... |
| 17:48.41 | jordanm | !ubuntu |
| 17:48.41 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 17:48.43 | stew | MaximLevitsky: wrong channel |
| 17:48.49 | MaximLevitsky | Here I don't ask for support for ubuntu! |
| 17:48.58 | jordanm | you just did? |
| 17:49.04 | MaximLevitsky | I just asked about an dpkg option |
| 17:49.08 | jhutchins_lt | MaximLevitsky: Yes, you did, and that's why our answers didn't work for you. |
| 17:49.24 | stew | MaximLevitsky: ask in #ubuntu, not here |
| 17:49.29 | valdyn | !tell cweiske -about search |
| 17:49.29 | jhutchins_lt | MaximLevitsky: ubuntu's dpkg is not debians dpkg. |
| 17:49.34 | deStone | i have a server with a chroot -- is there a way i can symlink a directory so that /drive2/x.sql (in root, not chroot) can be accessed from the chroot? |
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| 17:49.50 | valdyn | deStone: no, but you could use bind mount |
| 17:49.52 | MaximLevitsky | jhutchins_lt: maybe.. thanks for a tip. |
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| 17:50.16 | deStone | valdyn: good idea, thank you |
| 17:50.25 | MaximLevitsky | Thanks folks anyway. Btw I am not a noob. |
| 17:50.28 | cweiske | valdyn, thanks |
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| 17:50.32 | jordanm | or a hard link |
| 17:50.38 | jhutchins_lt | MaximLevitsky: Many people make the same mistake. |
| 17:50.42 | jordanm | !noob |
| 17:50.42 | dpkg | Dear visitor, please don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. Please don't bother telling us you're not a "newb", "noob" or "n00b" either. We can tell that too, you probably are, if you have to say you are not. |
| 17:51.23 | jhutchins_lt | All newbism is relative. |
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| 17:51.35 | tomkap | ... |
| 17:51.56 | greycat | And most of your relatives are probably noobs. |
| 17:52.04 | MaximLevitsky | I have 3 kernel drivers written... |
| 17:52.04 | jordanm | hehe |
| 17:52.07 | jhutchins_lt | Pretty much. |
| 17:52.29 | jhutchins_lt | I've been working with computers longer than the national median age. |
| 17:52.37 | deStone | does anyones mom really know what debian is? |
| 17:52.40 | jhutchins_lt | I STILL don't consider myself a Debian expert. |
| 17:52.50 | MaximLevitsky | Me nether! |
| 17:52.58 | stew | deStone: my mom certainly does |
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| 17:53.02 | jhutchins_lt | deStone: Yes, a friend's mom teaches computers for adult ed. |
| 17:53.07 | peterrooney | Been using debian for 8 years myself, and I still know squat about DNS |
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| 17:53.18 | cahoot | jhutchins: what nation might that be? Rwanda? |
| 17:53.42 | MaximLevitsky | I too. I try not to dive into things as long as I don't need to |
| 17:53.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 17:53.45 | jordanm | MaximLevitsky: I highly doubt that C coding experience carries over into debian administration experience in that way. however, knowledge of system calls is always useful |
| 17:53.52 | jordanm | my mom also uses debian |
| 17:53.53 | deStone | thats nice to know that there is educated cougars out there... |
| 17:54.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | are you guys very very slowly leading up to some absolutely "your mom" joke? |
| 17:54.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | absolutely horrible* |
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| 17:54.56 | jhutchins_lt | cahoot: U.S.A. |
| 17:55.07 | jordanm | CutMeOwnThroat: we were setting the stage your to tell one, and you blew it |
| 17:55.13 | jordanm | s/your/you/ |
| 17:55.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | jordanm, well done by me then... |
| 17:55.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | cuts a notch |
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| 18:02.31 | deStone | valdyn: do you have a good url explaining a way to do the mount bind with chroot? |
| 18:02.46 | deStone | i googled and am a bit confused |
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| 18:08.17 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
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| 18:14.02 | cusco | deStone: what is exatcly that you want to acomplish ? |
| 18:14.39 | cusco | deStone: mount -o bind /dev /target/dev; mount -o bind /sys /target/sys; chroot /target |
| 18:14.42 | cusco | then mount /proc |
| 18:14.57 | cusco | (I feel like I am forgetting to mount something...) |
| 18:15.14 | cusco | well that is what I do when I wand to change grub or something... |
| 18:15.22 | cusco | I boot the installer and of I go |
| 18:16.27 | thewanderer1 | proc |
| 18:16.37 | sedstapler | are read-only bind mounts possible nowadays? |
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| 18:17.26 | sedstapler | the behavior used to be horrible, when mount didn't complain about â-o roâ and silently made it -o rw |
| 18:18.39 | deStone | i figured it out but thanks for helping |
| 18:19.04 | thewanderer1 | iss thewanderer # mount -o bind,ro /mnt/cdrom /mnt/sun |
| 18:19.04 | thewanderer1 | mount: warning: /mnt/sun seems to be mounted read-write. |
| 18:19.16 | sedstapler | thewanderer1: good |
| 18:19.43 | sedstapler | at least better than no warning at all, as it used to be |
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| 18:22.36 | thewanderer1 | this is squeeze, I don't know about lenny :P |
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| 18:25.48 | Gijs | libsqlite3.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 18:26.10 | jelly-home | Gijs: STILL?! |
| 18:26.38 | Gijs | nvm |
| 18:26.56 | jelly-home | phew |
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| 18:27.46 | Gijs | now i got a segmentation fault. |
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| 18:29.05 | Gijs | how to fix a segmentation fault? |
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| 18:29.36 | thewanderer1 | Gijs: this is an error in the program itself or in the libraries - generally, you fix a bug to fix a segmentation fault |
| 18:30.27 | abrotman | or fix the hardware |
| 18:31.13 | Gijs | i got a gameserver wich is loading some .so files |
| 18:31.17 | Gijs | nvm |
| 18:31.22 | cantido | I think it's more likely it's a library that doesn't match that binary he's been trying to get going all day |
| 18:32.05 | cantido | Gijs: you should contact who ever compiled it.. ask them what they compiled it on, library versions etc |
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| 18:32.49 | thewanderer1 | yeah |
| 18:33.02 | thewanderer1 | bus errors are much more interesting... |
| 18:33.44 | cantido | bus error generally equals a mis-aligned read/write |
| 18:33.55 | cantido | not sure if that's a problem on x86 |
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| 18:34.35 | valdyn | deStone: bind mount is like mount, except that you use a path, not a device |
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| 18:34.54 | schoppenhauer | hello. I am currently trying to upgrade to squeeze (or at least prepare the upgrade). seems like one needs as well postgresql-8.3 as postgresql-8.4 installed to use pg_upgradecluster. but when trying to install both databases, I get into a dependency hell - I cannot install both at the same time. does anybody know how to upgrade postgres? |
| 18:34.56 | valdyn | deStone: mount --bind /home /mnt/2nd-home |
| 18:35.19 | sedstapler | Gijs: does your program ship with its own libsqlite maybe? if so, try to export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/path/of/your/game |
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| 18:36.16 | valdyn | deStone: but if home already was on its own partition, you can also just mount that partition a 2nd time or as many times as you need |
| 18:36.24 | Gijs | this program runs fine on some servers |
| 18:36.30 | Gijs | but now i try it on this one and it fails |
| 18:36.32 | sedstapler | schoppenhauer: not elegant but a fix: dump/backup the databases, uninstall 8.3, install 8.4 |
| 18:36.36 | unkmar | error: can't mount /dev/sun, Would burn to cinders. |
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| 18:37.26 | thewanderer1 | unkmar: heh. I have a /mnt/sun mountpoint... |
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| 18:37.57 | thewanderer1 | Gijs: then you need to setup a chroot for that with the required library versions |
| 18:38.27 | thewanderer1 | besides, that's why we hate closed-source so much, isn't it? |
| 18:39.12 | sedstapler | alternatively, put the required library versions in a separate directory and use LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 18:40.20 | sedstapler | closed source linux programs really should bring their own libraries as a fallback, especially when they're not going to be maintained anymore |
| 18:40.42 | sedstapler | games like quake 4 or ET:QW usually do that |
| 18:40.42 | Gijs | well this game is using some .so includes, but how can i see wich is wrong? |
| 18:41.17 | sedstapler | Gijs: âldd yourprogramâ shows you which libraries are loaded by the linker |
| 18:41.23 | sedstapler | *dynamic linker |
| 18:41.28 | cantido | sedstapler: he's been at this all day.. |
| 18:42.00 | cantido | Gijs: if it runs fine on some other servers you might want to consider using the same os/version as those servers |
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| 18:42.40 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 18:43.50 | Gijs | http://pastebin.com/9rhRPQ3K |
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| 18:48.04 | Gijs | damn i need to fix this. |
| 18:48.09 | Gijs | can anybody help please? |
| 18:48.30 | cantido | Gijs: if it was a binary from debian someone could help you, but it isn't |
| 18:49.38 | Gijs | this is a backup of a other dedicated server and there it worked fine, and that server had the same OS as the one i am trying on now |
| 18:50.04 | cantido | you could probably work out why it's segfaulting with gdb,.. strace might help you to see what it does before it faults |
| 18:50.05 | dondelelcaro | Gijs: nothing you're showing there shows a missing library. What is the exact error that you are getting, and what are you trying to run? |
| 18:51.05 | dondelelcaro | Gijs: if it's segfaulting, then you'll have to backtrace to see what precisely it's doing; but presumably, the code was using an internal symbol or something which wasn't versioned in a soname (or it was doing other insane things) |
| 18:52.01 | Gijs | i am trying to run a gameserver |
| 18:53.24 | dondelelcaro | Gijs: so get a newer version of it which is compiled against libraries which are actually shipped in modern OS versions |
| 18:53.40 | dondelelcaro | Gijs: or put the old libraries in a location which you know works, and set LD_LIBRARY_PATH appropriately |
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| 18:57.35 | dp | is there a way to make dpkg(1) quieter? I don't care to see that it's reading the database, preparing to replace, etc |
| 18:58.21 | dondelelcaro | dp: why does it matter? |
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| 18:58.45 | dp | dondelelcaro: because I don't want to see it, and wanted to know if there's a way to not see it |
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| 19:00.19 | Tas_ | Anyone know of a way to grep/search for matching lines in a file, and return the line after? (or even, both lines) |
| 19:00.38 | dp | Tas_: grep -A |
| 19:00.44 | stew | Tas_: use -A1 (look at -A -B -C options) |
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| 19:01.26 | dondelelcaro | dp: not currently, but you could easily write a patch to add a quiet option. [It's generally fairly useless, though.] |
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| 19:01.32 | dondelelcaro | hates drive by questions |
| 19:01.33 | Gijs | i tried to reinstall my game but i still get segmentation fault so i am sure it is a server problem |
| 19:01.37 | Gijs | i miss a package or something |
| 19:01.44 | greycat | well, "dpkg -D0" didn't do it. |
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| 19:02.40 | dondelelcaro | Gijs: no, it's a problem with your game. Talk to your vendor |
| 19:02.59 | Tas_ | Thanks, dp and stew :) I see it's also in the man file as well... funny stuff, that. |
| 19:04.23 | Gijs | isnt there a cmd to check the files? |
| 19:04.39 | cantido | Gijs: its not something that can be checked for like that |
| 19:04.40 | dondelelcaro | Gijs: the files are all there; if they weren't, it wouldn't start. |
| 19:04.44 | greycat | what does "check the files" mean? MD5 checksum? against what authority? |
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| 19:05.30 | Gijs | ks312869:~/mta-test# ld mta-server |
| 19:05.30 | Gijs | ld: error in mta-server(.eh_frame); no .eh_frame_hdr table will be created. |
| 19:05.40 | abrotman | debsums ? |
| 19:05.41 | greycat | ldd not ld |
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| 19:06.17 | Gijs | http://pastebin.com/QLr3kABz |
| 19:07.03 | abrotman | this must be the coolest game ever |
| 19:07.13 | Gijs | ? |
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| 19:08.25 | solars | can anyone recommend a way/tool to analyze and minimize network traffic? want to reduce my traffic for my mobile plan |
| 19:08.42 | Gijs | well what is wrong with it? |
| 19:09.40 | thewanderer1 | solars: do all you can through ssh and only fetch processed results instead of processing data |
| 19:09.50 | thewanderer1 | and avoid ncurses for that |
| 19:09.52 | greycat | Gijs: we don't know. You'll have to contact the people that support this binary. Find out what platform it is KNOWN to work on (Red Hat blah blah) and copy its shared libs into a directory somewhere on your system, and then point LD_LIBRARY_PATH to it as you have been told countless times already. |
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| 19:10.02 | cantido | Gijs: no one here knows how that thing works, you have pretty much exhausted everything bar stepping through it with GDB |
| 19:10.08 | Bushmills | solars: running your traffic through a vpn which compresses packets can reduce traffic considerably |
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| 19:10.12 | dondelelcaro | Gijs: I already told you; most likely that binary was compiled using against an internal symbol of one of the libraries and broke abi compatibility, or it made an assumption of how the libraries work which was changed. Without the sourcecode of the game server, we can't help you. |
| 19:10.47 | quitte | is that game more like exim or postfix? |
| 19:10.54 | dondelelcaro | Gijs: contact your vendor, because it's not a Debian problem or an issue which is on topic for #debian |
| 19:10.55 | solars | thewanderer1, its for my personal laptop... traffic is "normal" use, not work stuff or so :) |
| 19:10.56 | Gijs | i got the source code |
| 19:11.05 | greycat | Then recompile it against YOUR libraries. |
| 19:11.06 | dondelelcaro | Gijs: then recompile the thing |
| 19:11.06 | solars | Bushmills, are there any free services you can trust? |
| 19:11.06 | thewanderer1 | solars: in general, you could run ntop on your machine if you have much free RAM (a few hundreds MB) - it analyzes network usage quite well |
| 19:11.19 | Bushmills | solars: run your own server |
| 19:11.20 | Gijs | http://mtasa-blue.googlecode.com/svn/branches/1.0.4/ |
| 19:11.36 | thewanderer1 | no free/paid service is a service you should trust... :P |
| 19:11.45 | solars | Bushmills, would be an option, right :) any readings out there how to do this? |
| 19:11.49 | datacrusher | hello! i got all my partitions on separated volumes, /var, /user, /tmp ... and my / has only 400mb. Now its full is there a cleanup command for this specific folder? |
| 19:11.51 | cantido | Gijs: why have you been messing around all day when you could have built it on your machine |
| 19:11.55 | solars | thewanderer1, right.. :) |
| 19:12.08 | Bushmills | solars: /join ##openvpn, enter !howto |
| 19:12.14 | solars | thx |
| 19:12.20 | Gijs | because i have no idea how to build it |
| 19:12.53 | dondelelcaro | Gijs: http://wiki.multitheftauto.com/wiki/Building_MTASA_Server_on_GNU_Linux |
| 19:13.08 | thewanderer1 | datacrusher: er what? no... you don't "cleanup" the root directory and it's not even a "folder"... the closest you could do is remove the unneeded files |
| 19:13.24 | solars | Bushmills, are there some numbers for the usual amount of compression you reach? e.g. normal surfing etc |
| 19:13.51 | thewanderer1 | solars: for normal surfing, you'd want to disable images and flash crap, anyway |
| 19:14.08 | thewanderer1 | and then textual content is often negligible |
| 19:14.41 | Bushmills | solars: depends on nature and kind of traffic. |
| 19:14.51 | solars | yeah, of course, just out of curiosity |
| 19:14.54 | jordanm | thewanderer1: / is a directory |
| 19:14.56 | solars | Bushmills, of course |
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| 19:15.46 | thewanderer1 | jordanm: yeah, just not a folder... |
| 19:15.50 | datacrusher | thewanderer1, well, the last server i builded had the / folder with all within, and i had some size issues. Didnt want to use LVM, so iv created as a suggestion on debian foruns, / gots its smaller size so i set the other mountpoints in different partitions |
| 19:15.50 | Bushmills | already compressed content doesn't benefit by compressing again |
| 19:15.58 | datacrusher | too bad its overruned in space |
| 19:16.21 | thewanderer1 | datacrusher: so you have to remove what you don't need from there |
| 19:16.35 | jordanm | thewanderer1: I understood "folder" to be a synonymous with "directory". the term mostly used in the windows world |
| 19:16.53 | thewanderer1 | or allocate another root partition and migrate, but that's troublesome at times |
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| 19:17.43 | datacrusher | is there a cache from apt-get i can purge? |
| 19:18.04 | thewanderer1 | apt-get clean |
| 19:18.13 | greycat | yes, using "apt-get clean", or removing files in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 19:18.30 | thewanderer1 | it is stored in /var/cache/apt anyway, so if you have a separate var, it's unlikely to help |
| 19:19.39 | jordanm | seems to recall this same converstation with datacrusher a couple weeks ago |
| 19:19.58 | datacrusher | jordanm, yes! |
| 19:20.10 | solars | ok back to the question, does anyone know a tool that analyzes my traffic so I can minimize it? |
| 19:20.11 | datacrusher | iv installed a whole new server |
| 19:20.16 | solars | ntop seems a little overkill |
| 19:20.20 | jordanm | datacrusher: with the same mistake! |
| 19:20.31 | datacrusher | no, the last one i have only / and /home |
| 19:20.34 | jordanm | solars: on a single node or an entire network? |
| 19:20.36 | jelly-home | jordanm: third time's the charm |
| 19:20.42 | datacrusher | now i got /var with 32gb, where i get some web service |
| 19:20.55 | datacrusher | and /tmp in a xfs |
| 19:21.04 | solars | jordanm, on my personal machine |
| 19:21.22 | datacrusher | odd is, that i got only 6% used in /var folder but apt-get update claims gots no free space. / folder is 95% used |
| 19:21.42 | cantido | datacrusher: how much data do you have in /tmp? |
| 19:21.47 | jordanm | solars: what kind of traffic are you expecting to find that you did explicitly initiate? |
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| 19:22.10 | jordanm | there are some common desktop things that talked to the network, such as avahi and samba, but not many |
| 19:22.29 | datacrusher | http://pastebin.com/h0zr1Dfm |
| 19:23.01 | jordanm | datacrusher: I recommend gdmap last time, have you tried that? |
| 19:23.02 | thewanderer1 | in general, a good iptables script can help control the ammount of traffic sent/received |
| 19:23.15 | solars | jordanm, well in general, desktop stuff that I forgot is running, etc, just to have an overview what I could disable to which outcome |
| 19:23.38 | jordanm | solars: wireshark, iftop, netstat |
| 19:24.00 | thewanderer1 | jnettop is nice too |
| 19:24.04 | quitte | Gijs: can the client be used to play without a copy of gta? |
| 19:24.33 | jhutchins_lt | solars: Seriously, should you be running any app if you don't know whether it talks to the network? |
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| 19:25.52 | datacrusher | jordan, no... didnt look after gdmap |
| 19:26.39 | solars | jhutchins_lt, it is not about knowing if it talks to the network, it is about proportions |
| 19:27.25 | jhutchins_lt | solars: Are you on a metered connection? |
| 19:27.45 | solars | jhutchins_lt, in what sense metered? |
| 19:27.56 | jhutchins_lt | charged per unit or capped? |
| 19:27.59 | solars | yep |
| 19:28.01 | solars | mobile |
| 19:28.06 | jhutchins_lt | Ah. |
| 19:28.10 | solars | thats why I'm asking |
| 19:28.13 | solars | :) |
| 19:28.20 | solars | but mainly out of interest |
| 19:28.21 | jordanm | datacrusher: try it, quite nice for solving your issue |
| 19:28.32 | thewanderer1 | jordanm: on a server? :P |
| 19:28.42 | jhutchins_lt | I think it's a matter of knowing what each app is doing, how often it's doing it. I would approach it from the familiarity with the app rather than bandwidth analysis. |
| 19:28.42 | thewanderer1 | at least that's what I think he wrote |
| 19:29.15 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: there is no familiarity on the Web when JavaScript and Flash and auto-refresh come into play |
| 19:29.20 | thewanderer1 | or rogue CSS |
| 19:29.33 | cantido | thewanderer1: that would be cached locally |
| 19:29.58 | thewanderer1 | cantido: yes, and download ajax data every 5 seconds, which is such a great idea... |
| 19:30.04 | cantido | thewanderer1: AFIAK CSS doesn't have the ability to make random stuff load either |
| 19:30.08 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: True, it's hard to judge how much crap pages are padded with, and many pages that appear to be static aren't, but that's the web. |
| 19:30.24 | cantido | thewanderer1: if the page is dynamic how else would it work? |
| 19:30.32 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: You either want the info that page has or you don't, it's not a matter of "oh, I'd read slashdot but there's too much overhead". |
| 19:31.20 | thewanderer1 | cantido, jhutchins_lt: that's the problem with the app familiarity - in this context, I think every webpage should be regarded as a separate app and the browser as a platform for that |
| 19:31.32 | greycat | "Oh, I'd read slashdot, but then I ctrl-W the tab to prevent it from spewing more requests all the damned time" |
| 19:32.09 | greycat | "Oh, I'd read slashdot, but I disable Javascript for that domain using NoScript" |
| 19:32.17 | greycat | etc. |
| 19:32.21 | cantido | thewanderer1: well, that's sort of the base of the problem. Browsers aren't application engines as much as web 2.0 tries |
| 19:32.55 | cantido | thewanderer1: you can disable JS so that there is no possible avenue for a page to load more content on the fly |
| 19:32.59 | solars | jhutchins_lt, yeah... still it would be helpful to see how much the app is actually using |
| 19:33.00 | muddd | if I have multiple ip's assigned to a NIC, how do I decide which IP to send my outgoing traffic through? use ifconfig every time I wanna switch? |
| 19:33.19 | solars | jhutchins_lt, e.g. how much is browser traffic, how much skype, irc, jabber, on average |
| 19:33.22 | cantido | muddd: multiple ips on the same network? |
| 19:33.37 | jordanm | solars: for something like that, you want ntop |
| 19:33.59 | thewanderer1 | muddd: ip route add dest/mask dev ethN src your.source.ip.that.you.would.like |
| 19:33.59 | solars | ok convinced |
| 19:34.01 | jhutchins_lt | solars: You should know if you're using skype, or how many active IRC channels you have (being plain text it's fairly low). |
| 19:34.02 | solars | :) |
| 19:34.14 | solars | jhutchins_lt, of cours,e that was just an example |
| 19:34.17 | muddd | cantido, well multiple ips to the world, not on the net |
| 19:34.43 | muddd | thewanderer1, i would do that every time I want to change right? I could make a script with that I suppose |
| 19:34.51 | jhutchins_lt | solars: Which is the point, it's fairly obvious when an app is high or low traffic. |
| 19:35.14 | solars | jhutchins_lt, but still, e.g. for skype I have no idea, for irc its easier |
| 19:35.15 | jhutchins_lt | solars: Video conference, streaming movies, bittorrent = high. Text chat = low. |
| 19:35.17 | muddd | cantido, I mean multiple ips from my ISP |
| 19:35.30 | solars | jhutchins_lt, or the browser |
| 19:35.40 | cantido | muddd: how do you want to split the data? by port or something? |
| 19:35.45 | solars | jhutchins_lt, of course, I'm rather comparing the lower traffic things |
| 19:35.45 | thewanderer1 | muddd: if you want to separate links based on content type or at least dest ports, try policy routing |
| 19:35.52 | jhutchins_lt | solars: I can understand needing to analyse skype, they do some sneaky tricks. |
| 19:36.06 | solars | exactly :) |
| 19:36.09 | thewanderer1 | prefers Mumble over skype... |
| 19:36.13 | jhutchins_lt | solars: One thing is to make sure you don't idle something in the background that will steal bandwidth. |
| 19:36.14 | solars | its all those not really transparent apps.. |
| 19:36.23 | solars | yep, exactly |
| 19:36.24 | cantido | skype is almost impossible to block :/ |
| 19:36.29 | solars | dropbox is also a candidate |
| 19:36.38 | thewanderer1 | of course skype is possible |
| 19:36.39 | jhutchins_lt | dropbox is ssh. |
| 19:36.46 | jhutchins_lt | or is that dropbear? |
| 19:36.47 | solars | k |
| 19:36.49 | muddd | It would be like I want to login an ftp site 40 different times from the 40 IP's I have... |
| 19:36.54 | solars | hm yeah |
| 19:36.58 | muddd | from the same computer |
| 19:36.59 | cantido | thewanderer1: how then? |
| 19:37.00 | solars | dropbox is file sharing/sync |
| 19:37.00 | thewanderer1 | to block skype, you need to: not turn it on |
| 19:37.02 | solars | :) |
| 19:37.11 | cantido | thewanderer1: if you try to block it, it will tunnel out over http |
| 19:37.14 | jhutchins_lt | solars: Oh, yeah. |
| 19:37.31 | thewanderer1 | yeah, but you can keep it shut down in the first place |
| 19:38.00 | solars | hm does anyone actually know if its possible to disable images in chrome? |
| 19:38.15 | cantido | thewanderer1: so if you have a few hundred users.. what do you do> |
| 19:38.52 | thewanderer1 | cantido: you don't carry them on a laptop with a mobile net :) |
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| 19:39.28 | thewanderer1 | solars: options->advanced->content options->graphics |
| 19:39.29 | krunk- | I know the debian package contains a patch for libsvm that I'd like to port to another system. I can't seem to find where to downlaod the diff though |
| 19:39.56 | solars | thewanderer1, but there is nothing like a shortcut to toggle them right? button etc? |
| 19:40.05 | thewanderer1 | I have no idea |
| 19:40.16 | thewanderer1 | in konqueror this used to be better, I don't know now |
| 19:40.22 | krunk- | here's the package: http://packages.qa.debian.org/libs/libsvm.html |
| 19:40.26 | solars | hm weird... now since I turned off either skype or facebook, the traffic is A LOT lower |
| 19:40.41 | krunk- | and the diff is called verbosity-adjust.diff |
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| 19:43.58 | thewanderer1 | it seems that Chromium shows an icon telling you that the images are blocked allowing to add an exception for the whole domain |
| 19:45.05 | datacrusher | since all folders are in the same / part, how do i see the specific files that are on the / mount point jordanm ? |
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| 19:45.16 | krunk- | if someone could maybe extract verbosity-adjust.diff from the libsvm-2.91 port and pastebin it that'd be great (seems to be a super secret patch) :P |
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| 19:46.50 | solars | thewanderer1, ah right, thats nice thanks |
| 19:47.35 | project2501a | hello. is there a definitive guide on how to create a bootable usb stick to install debian from? |
| 19:47.46 | cantido | project2501a: unetbootin |
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| 19:47.58 | cantido | project2501a: click click done |
| 19:48.00 | project2501a | that takes care of all the edge cases: stupid bios, bad flash manufacturer |
| 19:48.05 | project2501a | cantido: go back to ubuntu, thanks |
| 19:48.16 | cantido | project2501a: its in debian |
| 19:48.19 | cantido | duh |
| 19:48.23 | project2501a | click click --> ubuntu |
| 19:48.45 | datacrusher | i think iv should separated /etc and /bin :( |
| 19:48.48 | cantido | unetbootin - installer of Linux/BSD distributions to a partition or USB drive |
| 19:49.01 | cantido | in squeeze .. oh no the sky is falling in! |
| 19:49.07 | quitte | project2501a: go use openbsd or plan9 |
| 19:49.13 | project2501a | i asked to do what unetbootin does on my own. i do not wish to have an automated tool. |
| 19:49.34 | project2501a | quitte: my other cluster is a FreeBSD cluster, thanks |
| 19:49.36 | cantido | project2501a: ok, there are docs in with the hd media and stuff.. but you read those right? |
| 19:49.52 | project2501a | and i am on the Plan9 grid, thank you very much. |
| 19:50.02 | project2501a | cantido: yes. i read the debian wiki and the installer |
| 19:50.11 | project2501a | they are not quite to my satisfaction. |
| 19:50.34 | cantido | so write better docs then. usb booting is fairly simple on modern-ish bios |
| 19:50.36 | quitte | project2501a: apt-get source unetbootin then |
| 19:50.40 | solars | is there an easy way to find out (in a script) through which interface I'm connected to the internet? |
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| 19:50.51 | cantido | for old bios... nothing will work everywhere |
| 19:50.52 | jhutchins | solars: It would probably be useful to the community if you do analyse the traffic if you were to post your results. |
| 19:51.06 | project2501a | holy shit, am i speaking english or greek? |
| 19:51.14 | project2501a | "i asked to do what unetbootin does on my own. i do not wish to have an automated tool. " |
| 19:51.34 | quitte | yeah. so read the source and figure it out |
| 19:51.45 | cantido | project2501a: what unetbootin does won't work everywhere.. i.e. bios that need weird formatting etc to boot from usb |
| 19:51.47 | project2501a | must be "welcome old ubuntu users" night tonight. |
| 19:52.02 | jhutchins | !usb install |
| 19:52.02 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 19:52.04 | cantido | project2501a: don't be an idiot |
| 19:52.08 | solars | jhutchins, still not sure what to use to analyze it.. ntop seems limited a little |
| 19:52.20 | project2501a | jhutchins: tried that mate :| |
| 19:53.02 | cantido | project2501a: just because a tool came from ubuntu doesn't mean you shouldn't use it.. wasting time trying to get something to work when you could use a tried and tested tool makes you look like .. drum roll.. a tool |
| 19:53.41 | project2501a | cantido: thank you for your input. i will take it under consideration. |
| 19:54.09 | cantido | if you want to hardcore, you could work out how syslinux works. that has docs too |
| 19:54.54 | cantido | really really old machines need usb devices to be formatted with the same block size as a usb-zip.. those are a pain in the arse to get working |
| 19:55.10 | project2501a | cantido: nice. we are talking fail on a 6 month old machine |
| 19:55.21 | project2501a | but thank you for your concern allthesame |
| 19:55.34 | cantido | project2501a: ok, where does it fail then? |
| 19:55.54 | cantido | what vendor is the bios? |
| 19:55.54 | project2501a | if i use method A from the install guide, the laptop does not recon the usb stick |
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| 19:56.26 | project2501a | if i use method b from the install guide, the stick gets recognized but it gets stuck in the bootloader. |
| 19:56.37 | project2501a | cantido: phoinix |
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| 19:57.02 | cantido | project2501a: does it allow you to select what type of usb booting it will try? |
| 19:57.17 | project2501a | yes |
| 19:57.30 | cantido | have you tried changing it? |
| 19:57.34 | project2501a | yes |
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| 19:57.49 | thewanderer1 | solars: you need to know through which interface you are connected to the Internet? you probably mean the default route, which would be: ip rou sh 0.0.0.0/0 | cut -d" " -f5 |
| 19:58.16 | solars | thewanderer1, exactly, thanks a lot :) |
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| 19:58.48 | cantido | project2501a: did you even try unetbootin? |
| 19:58.55 | project2501a | gawd, YES |
| 19:58.56 | solars | thewanderer1, I've got some scripts that start different browser profiles etc based on my location (home, work, mobile) so I'll add tthis interface for mobile and use disable-images for chrome |
| 19:58.57 | project2501a | i did |
| 19:59.17 | cantido | project2501a: where did that fail? |
| 19:59.23 | project2501a | it did not |
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| 19:59.48 | project2501a | i could install debian, using unetbootin, should i choose to use unetbootin. which i do not. |
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| 20:00.03 | cantido | ok, so you're doing things the hardware |
| 20:00.10 | cantido | hard way |
| 20:00.18 | project2501a | yes. |
| 20:00.22 | project2501a | it is called "learning" |
| 20:00.34 | project2501a | brand new idea, to be honest. |
| 20:00.39 | quitte | ...refusing to read the source of what works despite being leet |
| 20:00.48 | jhutchins_lt | project2501a: How do you know it will install with unetbootin on this particular device? |
| 20:00.49 | stew | he's doing things the way the official debian documentation tells him to do it |
| 20:01.00 | project2501a | jhutchins_lt: tried it, mate. |
| 20:01.03 | cantido | stew: and it didn't work |
| 20:01.09 | jhutchins_lt | project2501a: I think it's likely you have some hardware that doesn't work with the current installer's kernel. |
| 20:01.13 | project2501a | hey stew! o/ |
| 20:01.37 | cantido | if he wants to compare what unetbootin is doing and report a bug or something that would be nice |
| 20:01.39 | project2501a | jhutchins_lt: it fails in the bootloader. so it is not a kernel issue. |
| 20:02.14 | jhutchins_lt | project2501a: Then it's possible you are starting from a corrupt image. Will the system boot to a CD? |
| 20:02.45 | project2501a | jhutchins_lt: yeah, it does |
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| 20:02.58 | jhutchins_lt | project2501a: So does the installer run correctly from that? |
| 20:03.04 | project2501a | yup |
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| 20:03.10 | project2501a | it does |
| 20:03.36 | jhutchins_lt | Since it's very unlikely that there is something wrong with dd just for you, I think we're looking at either a missed step or a bad source image then. |
| 20:03.41 | jhutchins_lt | project2501a: That or a flakey key. |
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| 20:04.02 | cantido | maybe he didn't sync before he pulled the key out :/ |
| 20:04.12 | project2501a | jhutchins: i bought 5 more keys last night. 4 different brands. i will try again. |
| 20:04.35 | jhutchins_lt | cantido: Well, the dd method writes data directly to the device, shouldn't be buffered. |
| 20:04.36 | quitte | cantido: dd doesn't need to be synced when writing to devices |
| 20:04.50 | jhutchins_lt | cantido: If he's copying files to a partition then yes, correctly unmounting is required. |
| 20:04.52 | cantido | fair enough |
| 20:05.21 | cantido | still, if what ever unetbootin is doing works surely that's the first place to look |
| 20:05.31 | cantido | it might just be the version of syslinux it's using |
| 20:05.35 | jhutchins_lt | project2501a: We know both methods in the guide work in general, so there's something specific in your situation that's different. |
| 20:05.54 | project2501a | spot on, mate. |
| 20:05.55 | quitte | when education is the goal looking at syslinux and getting it to boot some kernel is the way |
| 20:06.09 | project2501a | the issue is what. that is why i was asking for the definitive guide |
| 20:06.23 | jhutchins_lt | project2501a: You're writing it. |
| 20:06.24 | cantido | project2501a: that would be the documention you looked at |
| 20:06.33 | project2501a | jhutchins: looks like it ;D |
| 20:06.44 | project2501a | quitte: yes, please, thank you, please, give us more mantras, please. |
| 20:07.07 | cantido | yeah you ex-ubuntu user you! |
| 20:07.11 | jhutchins_lt | project2501a: Possibly some troubleshooting info if you figure it out. |
| 20:07.27 | quitte | you didn't even spell out any error message. as far as i'm concerned im leaning towards you are trolling us. |
| 20:07.34 | jhutchins_lt | project2501a: Did you md5 the image? |
| 20:07.38 | project2501a | jhutchins_lt: i was afraid i would have to write the guide. any tools to help me out? |
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| 20:08.04 | cantido | jhutchins_lt: doesn't syslinux report corrupt kernels/initrds when it tries to load them? |
| 20:08.14 | jhutchins_lt | project2501a: You need to determine how your situation differs from that in the guide. What's unique? |
| 20:08.19 | cantido | had exactly that last night |
| 20:08.25 | project2501a | jhutchins_lt: no, but if you give me a minute, i will get a new image and md5 it. not all boot.img.gz can be corrupt on all debian ftp sites. |
| 20:08.43 | project2501a | jhutchins_lt: hp laptop? brand new? |
| 20:08.43 | jhutchins_lt | project2501a: All downloads of them can be though. |
| 20:08.58 | jhutchins_lt | project2501a: It's much more likely to be the download that's corrupt than the source. |
| 20:09.00 | project2501a | true |
| 20:09.08 | project2501a | hmmmm |
| 20:09.12 | cantido | if it was corrupted by the download gzip would complain |
| 20:09.13 | jhutchins_lt | project2501a: Brand new - as in hardware not previously tested with the linux installer? |
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| 20:09.15 | project2501a | let me try that one more time. |
| 20:09.30 | jhutchins_lt | project2501a: It's not like HP checks with Debian before changing the chipsets. |
| 20:09.43 | project2501a | actually they do |
| 20:09.48 | cantido | jhutchins_lt: I don't think that matters too much for syslinux |
| 20:09.50 | project2501a | on their server side at least |
| 20:09.59 | jhutchins_lt | No, they don't, I've worked directly with their product design team. |
| 20:10.04 | project2501a | jhutchins_lt: brand new as in i have no clue if someone has tested it with the installer before, i just got it out of the box |
| 20:10.05 | cantido | jhutchins_lt: it'd using the same million year old bios calls to do everything |
| 20:10.15 | jhutchins_lt | They release the hardware, it's up to us to catch up with it. |
| 20:10.45 | jhutchins_lt | Sometimes they provide drivers or api's. |
| 20:10.58 | cantido | has a feeling most of the hardware isn't even enable with syslinux is doing it's thing |
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| 20:11.16 | jhutchins_lt | cantido: bus/memory/storage controllers. |
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| 20:11.48 | jhutchins_lt | cantido: All of which have been changing a lot recently. |
| 20:11.57 | cantido | jhutchins_lt: i very much doubt that syslinux knows about every chipset out there |
| 20:12.05 | cantido | jhutchins_lt: standard bios calls are your friend |
| 20:12.18 | foetus | updated to 5.0.6, update not yet applied |
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| 20:12.36 | cantido | jhutchins_lt: if it didn't have those nothing would boot on slightly different hardware |
| 20:13.36 | jhutchins_lt | cantido: You are arguing that the problem is not happening because you haven't seen it, which is not a valid argument. |
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| 20:14.06 | cantido | jhutchins_lt: whatever unetbootin is doing works, he should compare what it's doing to what the debian setup is doing |
| 20:14.25 | jhutchins_lt | cantido: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance |
| 20:14.57 | jhutchins_lt | cantido: Which is strange, we see far more people here who have problems with unetbootin. |
| 20:15.12 | cantido | jhutchins_lt: huh? you're saying the chipset etc matters, which it shouldn't |
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| 20:15.37 | jhutchins_lt | cantido: I think that the problem with unetbootin is that it's not as transparent as the Debian guide, you're not sure what it's doing because it takes care of it for you, so it's hard to compare. |
| 20:15.55 | jhutchins_lt | cantido: What are the possible causes? |
| 20:16.02 | jordanm | the problem is unetbootin is broken when it comes to stable, but not squeeze |
| 20:16.14 | jordanm | missed the actual topic |
| 20:16.25 | cantido | jhutchins_lt: you can take apart it's syslinux setup if you want.. it might just be the syslinux version |
| 20:16.27 | jhutchins_lt | Argh. He's testing squeeze? |
| 20:16.59 | jhutchins_lt | project2501a: Are you trying to install squeeze? |
| 20:17.02 | greycat | Is there a good reason Debian doesn't simply provide working USB net-install images? |
| 20:17.16 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: They do. |
| 20:17.29 | greycat | Then I'm confused what the problem is. |
| 20:17.33 | cantido | greycat: there is a boot blob you dd onto the usb device and then you stick the iso in there |
| 20:17.45 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: project2501a claims they hang at the bootloader. |
| 20:17.46 | cantido | greycat: it appears syslinux hangs on his machine |
| 20:18.00 | jordanm | I have a feeling the situation will be improved with squeeze, and the new live-cd installer which can likely go onto a usb |
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| 20:18.13 | jhutchins_lt | cantido: He says it's the bootloader - which I guess is a part of syslinux. |
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| 20:18.20 | ikey | new live-cd installer? |
| 20:18.26 | cantido | jhutchins_lt: syslinux is the bootloader |
| 20:18.42 | jordanm | ikey: debian-live should include an installer with squeeze |
| 20:18.57 | cantido | jhutchins_lt: in that setup syslinux loads a kernel and an initrams/initrd .. and that is it |
| 20:19.03 | ikey | jordanm, Oh cool. I'll have to check it out thanks. I just developed one |
| 20:19.12 | jhutchins_lt | Would be nice if squeeze would include working drivers for intel graphics. |
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| 20:19.17 | quitte | jhutchins_lt: syslinux needs a mbr like dos did and be installed on the active partition. so there are two "bootloaders" that might be at fault. unfortunately we got no information so far |
| 20:19.21 | tom719co | hello |
| 20:19.41 | cantido | quitte: except that what unetbootin does is working heh |
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| 20:20.08 | tom719co | which CD should i use to boot to, to try and recover a lost root password? |
| 20:20.15 | valdyn | !ifrp |
| 20:20.16 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
| 20:20.16 | cantido | syslinux can be very fusy.. like you should have a brand new FAT16 fs etc |
| 20:20.17 | tom719co | I tried the business card but it doesn't load the rid driver |
| 20:20.19 | project2501a | jhujhiti: sorry, was at the phone. reading backlog |
| 20:20.27 | valdyn | tom719co: what dpkg said |
| 20:20.28 | tom719co | raid |
| 20:20.37 | project2501a | jhutchins_lt: no, i am installing communism. :D |
| 20:20.41 | project2501a | (i mean, lenny) |
| 20:20.52 | tom719co | no it asks for root password when you try to boot into single user mode |
| 20:21.04 | greycat | Then don't boot into single user mode. Do what the bot said. |
| 20:21.17 | valdyn | tom719co: you're not the first one, that is why there is this factoid |
| 20:21.19 | jordanm | project2501a: I haven't seen any user report that unetbootin works with lenny, but *plenty* of the opposite. are you saying unetbootin worked for you with lenny? |
| 20:21.23 | stew | quitte: you are sure that syslinux requires some other bootloader? why would it matter if syslinux was started by another bootloader or not |
| 20:22.22 | quitte | stew: syslinux is installed to the partition - not the bootloader. i used it quite often manually. usually the problem is a corrupt mbr or a misset active flag |
| 20:22.56 | cantido | quitte: the debian install method provides a pre-created blob to dd to the usb device |
| 20:23.32 | project2501a | jordanm: yup. lennin live as well. |
| 20:23.47 | quitte | yes. i know. the mbr thingie in debian and syslinux both spit out messages very early. |
| 20:24.08 | jordanm | perhaps it was fixed with unetbootin. most people would get errors when it attempts to mount the CDROM that doesn't exist |
| 20:24.15 | jhutchins_lt | project2501a: So the question comes down to what exactly the system DOES, not what it does not do. |
| 20:24.19 | cantido | quitte: debian doesn't have an mbr .. that come from the bootloader |
| 20:24.56 | cantido | jordanm: his machine doesn't even seem to load the kernel |
| 20:25.24 | quitte | cantido: unetbootin installs a bootloader somehow. there is a mbr package in debian, btw |
| 20:25.26 | project2501a | jhutchins_lt: quite correct mate. by the way it could be a clear case of pebkac but i am seriously working on eliminating all possibility of that. |
| 20:25.28 | stew | project2501a: which method are you CURRENTLY trying to use? method 1 or method2 ? |
| 20:25.36 | cantido | quitte: syslinux installs its mbr |
| 20:25.40 | project2501a | stew: method 1 |
| 20:26.16 | stew | project2501a: that one is zcat, then mount, add and .iso, and you are done, right? |
| 20:26.29 | project2501a | method 1 is zcat. |
| 20:26.46 | stew | project2501a: then some other stuff, as I said, right? |
| 20:26.50 | project2501a | nope |
| 20:26.55 | jordanm | project2501a: YES |
| 20:26.58 | project2501a | you do just the zcat |
| 20:27.06 | project2501a | hm |
| 20:27.11 | project2501a | let me bring the inst guide up |
| 20:27.15 | quitte | cantido: when told to install to for example /dev/sdb1 ? how could it without accessing /dev/sda? |
| 20:27.21 | jordanm | project2501a: "After that, mount the USB memory stick (mount /dev/sdX /mnt), which will now have a FAT filesystem on it, and copy a Debian netinst or businesscard ISO image to it. Unmount the stick (umount /mnt) and you are done." |
| 20:27.38 | project2501a | hohum. |
| 20:27.43 | project2501a | pebkac |
| 20:27.48 | project2501a | let me try one more time |
| 20:27.58 | cantido | quitte: it doesn't need to, the bios loads the boot block off of the disk you tell it to |
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| 20:28.25 | cantido | quitte: you don't have to boot from the first disk.. and on this box I installed last night from usb.. the usb drive became /dev/sda |
| 20:28.37 | iman | what's a good download manager for debian in gnome ? |
| 20:28.46 | quitte | cantido: no. thats code from the mbr that jumps to the active partition and loads stuff from its bootblock |
| 20:28.57 | valdyn | iman: what do you expect it to do? |
| 20:29.00 | stew | project2501a: i think you need to take care to use a netinst .iso from the same build as the boot.img.gz that you are string from |
| 20:29.09 | iman | valdyn, speed |
| 20:29.13 | quitte | cantido: bios goes to sda there it finds the mbr that redirects to sdax |
| 20:29.20 | valdyn | iman: one is as good as the other |
| 20:29.25 | cantido | quitte: the bios doesn't now what sda is |
| 20:29.37 | project2501a | stew: that's kinda lame, aint it? |
| 20:29.45 | stew | cantido: he means the mbr on disk refered to as sda |
| 20:29.50 | quitte | ok. i dont care. gotta run anyways |
| 20:29.53 | cantido | quitte: the bios probably doesn't really even know what sata is |
| 20:30.14 | stew | the bios doens't even know what "is" is... |
| 20:30.35 | iman | valdyn, please say name of one of them |
| 20:30.54 | jhutchins_lt | iirc if one fails to copy the iso to the stick then the installer complains that it can't find the iso - it doesn't fail to boot. |
| 20:30.59 | valdyn | iman: the built in downloader of your favourite webbrowser |
| 20:31.00 | stew | but this doesn't matter, it boots the first sector of whatever disk its going to boot, that sector might just be a chainloader to boot the first sector off some partition... |
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| 20:31.35 | cantido | stew: yes, but in syslinux that part doesn't do that.. it loads the rest of syslinux |
| 20:31.52 | stew | cantido: what does "that part doesn't do that" mean? |
| 20:31.56 | stew | and what is "it" |
| 20:32.06 | cantido | stew: the boot sector |
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| 20:32.32 | cantido | maybe he should just try running syslinux on the drive and seeing if that boots up |
| 20:32.35 | stew | cantido: what is on the boot sector you are talking about? |
| 20:32.49 | stew | cantido: what boot loader? |
| 20:33.32 | eptalon | I do have a porblem playing a mkv (matroska) file in sid, with vlc; I get sound but no image |
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| 20:33.50 | cantido | stew: are you being initially dense? |
| 20:34.01 | stew | cantido: certainly not |
| 20:34.18 | valdyn | eptalon: matroska is a container, its not your issue and its not related to your issue, tell us the movie codec |
| 20:34.32 | stew | cantido: are you saying that when you isntall syslinux to a partition, lets say /dev/sda1, that it affects the mbr of /dev/sda? |
| 20:34.44 | valdyn | eptalon: this could be h.264 but we cant know. do the usual mkv files play fine? |
| 20:35.04 | eptalon | valdyn: I have no idea; error message is swscaler:pal8 is not supported as an output format |
| 20:35.17 | cantido | stew: ok, if you run "syslinux /dev/something" it installs an mbr, boot sector, boot block, whatever you want to call it. This is coming from memory .. |
| 20:35.28 | eptalon | valdyn: Its the only mkv I have, so i can't really tell yo |
| 20:35.32 | stew | cantido: of /dev/something, not /dev/somethingelse. |
| 20:35.37 | valdyn | eptalon: different movies play? |
| 20:35.59 | eptalon | Other movies (.avi, mostly), play fine |
| 20:36.07 | stew | cantido: he was talking about installing to /dev/sda1, and loading that syslinux would rely on SOME OTHER bootloader being installed on /dev/sda |
| 20:36.13 | eptalon | dvd images play fine |
| 20:36.17 | valdyn | eptalon: grep -i driver /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 20:36.44 | valdyn | eptalon: that should somewhere list your gfx driver used, i dont need the whole output |
| 20:36.47 | cantido | stew: he was saying that booting from sdb would require a boot block, boot sector.. on sda |
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| 20:36.52 | cantido | stew: which it doesn't |
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| 20:37.36 | valdyn | cantido: how would you know? do you know that syslinux can deal with partitions? |
| 20:38.04 | eptalon | valdyn: MACH64 (VESA,FBDEV) |
| 20:38.12 | cantido | valdyn: apparently it can.. because it loads a kernel and an initramfs/initrd from a fat 16 partition |
| 20:38.25 | valdyn | cantido: thats not the same thing |
| 20:38.36 | cantido | valdyn: you mean it hard code the offsets? |
| 20:39.09 | valdyn | cantido: i dont know what it does or how it works, but it sure has to be alot more primitive than lilo or there would be no lilo |
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| 20:39.28 | cantido | valdyn: you can copy the files into the fat16 fs after installing syslinux to the mbr .. so it seems it can read enough of a fat 16 partion to load files it didn't know about at install time |
| 20:39.41 | project2501a | jhutchins_lt: method no 1 leads to the USB stick being unbootable. the laptop does not recognize the stick. i will try to set the bootable flag |
| 20:39.50 | eptalon | valdyn: different video modes from 1280x1024, to 720x400 |
| 20:40.01 | jhutchins_lt | Gentlemen, this discussion has strayed very far from debian support. Perhaps there is a #syslinux where it would be appropriate, or #debian-offtopic? |
| 20:40.13 | valdyn | eptalon: thats an antique shitty lame gfx chip or at leats the driver is |
| 20:40.15 | project2501a | ya |
| 20:40.20 | project2501a | what jhutchins said |
| 20:40.33 | project2501a | stew: thanks for the help mate :) |
| 20:40.40 | jhutchins_lt | project2501a: Ok, possiblities there are bad stick, bad image, bad BIOS (latter highly unlikely). |
| 20:40.45 | eptalon | valdyn: The machine is a srv with on board gfx, from about 5 yrs ago, yes. |
| 20:40.48 | valdyn | eptalon: i would try mplayer, but you probably cant expect this to play 720p movies anyway |
| 20:41.01 | project2501a | jhutchins: 5 different bad sticks? |
| 20:41.03 | project2501a | hmm |
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| 20:41.14 | jhutchins_lt | You have tried all 5? |
| 20:41.24 | cantido | project2501a: does the same stick work in a different machine? |
| 20:41.27 | jhutchins_lt | Have you verified that the stick is FAT16, valid and mountable? |
| 20:41.34 | valdyn | eptalon: server board? nothing thats actually supposed to have a display gets crap like that i would think, not even 5 years ago |
| 20:41.39 | cantido | project2501a: qemu should be able to boot it if you don't have anyother machine |
| 20:41.42 | project2501a | jhutchins_lt: yeah. |
| 20:41.45 | cantido | s/anyother/another/ |
| 20:41.46 | jhutchins_lt | project2501a: Verified that syslinux is present? |
| 20:41.52 | project2501a | yup |
| 20:42.22 | eptalon | valdyn: yes, server board. |
| 20:42.28 | jhutchins_lt | project2501a: Direct usb port, not on a hub? |
| 20:42.29 | valdyn | eptalon: i dont really know this driver well, but i wouldnt be surprised if it cant deal with "modern" video output modes |
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| 20:43.00 | valdyn | eptalon: so you could reconfigure vlc output probably, or just use mplayer, which does a better job with autodetection |
| 20:43.02 | project2501a | jhutchins: direct usb port. it really could be the damn chipset |
| 20:43.12 | eptalon | valdyn: so use as server, and watch in windows; sigh. |
| 20:43.14 | jhutchins_lt | project2501a: Just on a whim, check the HP site for a BIOS update. |
| 20:43.28 | project2501a | *nod* |
| 20:43.32 | project2501a | but no windows on the computer |
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| 20:44.02 | valdyn | eptalon: i dont know what you want to watch but its 1080p, already forget it defenitely, if its 720p...maybe |
| 20:44.23 | cantido | project2501a: could you try mkfs.vfat on the stick and running syslinux on it? |
| 20:44.23 | project2501a | cantido: sure |
| 20:44.26 | jhutchins_lt | project2501a: Not a problem for HP, you can update without it. |
| 20:44.32 | eptalon | valdyn: Its 720p |
| 20:44.54 | cantido | project2501a: I think it should boot up and say that you are missing a config |
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| 20:45.44 | project2501a | cantido: should i re-partition the stick? |
| 20:46.31 | cantido | project2501a: just a single partition |
| 20:47.05 | cantido | project2501a: if you create a big partition mkfs.vfat will use fat32 instead of fat16 iirc.. I'm not sure if that matters to syslinux or not |
| 20:47.31 | project2501a | it does |
| 20:47.35 | project2501a | it is just there in the guide |
| 20:47.38 | project2501a | fat16 |
| 20:48.01 | cantido | syslinux has some parameters that you can pass when you install it.. i.e. to force stupid mode that works with some weird bioses |
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| 20:48.33 | cantido | project2501a: yeah, I haven't manually installed it for about 5 years. So I don't fully remember everything |
| 20:49.53 | neoice | anyone here have experience building mpd on Debian? |
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| 20:50.03 | project2501a | cantido: ok, done. stick is not recognized as bootable by laptop bios |
| 20:50.27 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions syslinux |
| 20:50.58 | jhutchins_lt | Ah, no judd. |
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| 20:51.28 | cantido | project2501a: is that after the bios has attempted to boot from it? |
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| 20:53.33 | cantido | didn't the install images use a new version of syslinux than what was in stable for a while? |
| 20:53.39 | cantido | remembers something about that |
| 20:54.02 | jhutchins_lt | used to have 3 USB DVD drives, and working with a lot of different hardware some would boot off of one, some off of the other, but few off of all 3. |
| 20:54.35 | cantido | jhutchins_lt: usb support in bioses is a bit hit and miss, but it is a lot better than it was |
| 20:54.42 | jhutchins_lt | project2501a: Again, it might be worth while to check for a BIOS update. |
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| 20:55.17 | Sorinan | I mounted /dev with bind on a chroot folder, but now, when I try to umount it, it says that the device is busy. How can I safely umount the /dev on the chroot folder? (yes, i'm already out of the chroot) |
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| 20:57.23 | cantido | stew: Installing SYSLINUX will alter the boot sector on the disk, and copy a file named LDLINUX.SYS into the root directory. -- That's what syslinux actually does for your information. The bootsector is installed in the space reserved for it and it loads LDLINUX.SYS. IIRC the offset to LDLINUX.SYS is hardcoded. LDLINUX.SYS could be loaded from some other boot sector but syslinuxs boot sector doesn't do that. |
| 20:57.34 | greycat | Sorinan: sounds like something has a file open (e.g. somedaemon >/dev/null) |
| 20:59.22 | Sorinan | hmm, but when I close the chroot, invariably it donesn't close all running processes on it? |
| 20:59.45 | greycat | I don't know what "close the chroot" means. |
| 20:59.54 | greycat | You mean exit from whatever interactive shell you were in? |
| 21:00.01 | Sorinan | extactly |
| 21:00.07 | Sorinan | *exactly |
| 21:00.08 | project2501a | jhutchins: will do mate. |
| 21:00.11 | cantido | Sorinan: if they are attached to the shell they will exit with it |
| 21:00.22 | greycat | If you started some background job, it won't necessarily exit when your shell exits. |
| 21:00.31 | greycat | It depends on what you did. |
| 21:00.34 | project2501a | this laptop seriously does not like the 3D drivers |
| 21:01.04 | Sorinan | oh! i installed a openssh-server by apt-get, it may be still running in background? |
| 21:01.16 | cantido | project2501a: could be worth trying a newer version of syslinux.. if you follow method 2 but use either the version from the site or do it on a testing/unstable box it might just work |
| 21:01.34 | project2501a | i would much rather have better knowledge of grub |
| 21:01.52 | cantido | can grub boot from usb? |
| 21:01.59 | project2501a | why shouldn't it? |
| 21:02.02 | project2501a | it's a storage device |
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| 21:02.36 | cantido | project2501a: yeah,.. if your harddrive has good usb-hd emulation |
| 21:02.46 | cantido | project2501a: s/harddrive/bios/ |
| 21:02.48 | cantido | oops |
| 21:03.01 | Sorinan | greycat: how can I differ the host ssh daemon from the chroot ssh daemon on ps? |
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| 21:03.50 | Sorinan | I think that's what is still running |
| 21:04.41 | greycat | err... I'm not sure if lsof will report the chrooted directory with its chrooted name, or its physical-path name |
| 21:04.44 | greycat | but you can try. |
| 21:05.06 | greycat | you can also check the PID files in /var/run and /yourchroot/var/run |
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| 21:06.39 | superlinux | Hi. I run VMware workstation 7.1.0 and I am hosting Windows Xp guest on Debian Lenny Linux. I insert my Bluesoleil USB bluetooth dongle and Windows does detect the device. However, my bluetooth service on Windows does not start at all. what should I do? |
| 21:07.46 | Sorinan | greycat: Found! Yes, lsof reports the real path, not the one under chroot, umounted perfectly |
| 21:07.47 | fismoll8 | hey guys, if I run an "rsync -av --stats Defintion.txt ~/Desktop", I get that 0 bytes are transfered. If I run a "cp -av Definition.txt ~/Desktop", I get that 4 bytes are transferred. cp -a is working fine (i.e. Definition.txt copies fine) but the rsynced version of Definition.txt is borked. What is happening |
| 21:07.54 | Sorinan | greycat: Thank you very much! |
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| 21:34.48 | zmitya | hi Gents |
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| 21:35.03 | rcsheets | i have a sarge box that (in the process of retiring it) i need to install a package on, but of course the packages are no longer on the regular mirrors. is there a source line i can use to nonetheless let it install a package? |
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| 21:35.35 | zmitya | I'm looking forward to a solution to make a persistent ssh tunnel from a host which has dynamic IP to my server |
| 21:35.49 | zmitya | so it should reconnect after the host get a new IP somehow |
| 21:36.07 | zmitya | what do you think guys, whats the simplest solution for that ? |
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| 21:36.42 | jollyroger | zmitya: have you tried autossh already? |
| 21:37.04 | zmitya | jollyroger: no, I have not heard about that |
| 21:37.09 | zmitya | let me check, thanks !! |
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| 21:37.53 | zmitya | jollyroger: this is what I'm looking for !!! thanks !! |
| 21:38.02 | jollyroger | zmitya: you're welcome |
| 21:38.20 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | when will Testing come out of freeze? |
| 21:38.43 | jhutchins_lt | !archives |
| 21:38.43 | dpkg | well, archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For the package archive, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
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| 21:38.59 | jhutchins_lt | sh4d3sl4y3r_: When it meets the release requirements for release-blocking bugs. |
| 21:39.08 | rcsheets | ah, thanks jhutchins_lt |
| 21:39.15 | jhutchins_lt | sh4d3sl4y3r_: Hopefully AFTER the intel graphics bugs are fixed. |
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| 21:40.25 | project2501a | fuck this laptop |
| 21:40.28 | project2501a | seriously |
| 21:40.28 | cantido | intel drivers are fine here.. |
| 21:40.43 | project2501a | hp envy 15 --> shite |
| 21:40.50 | cantido | project2501a: does it not have a cdrom drive? |
| 21:40.56 | project2501a | no, it doesn't |
| 21:41.06 | project2501a | i have a usb one, but that is not the point mate |
| 21:41.14 | project2501a | that is seriously not the point |
| 21:41.35 | amphi | jhutchins_lt: what card do you have problems with? my 965 seems to be behaving |
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| 21:41.42 | cantido | project2501a: pc firmware is crap |
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| 21:43.39 | cantido | if it takes more than an hour to get a machine to boot I just take the drive out and install the base system with another machine and then put it back into the target |
| 21:44.06 | project2501a | wtf |
| 21:44.11 | project2501a | more than an hour to boot? |
| 21:44.12 | project2501a | or install? |
| 21:44.22 | cantido | get the machine to boot to the installer |
| 21:44.32 | dutchfish | hi, is someone able to hint me by working around #596249 and install python-cupsutils from sid, see http://debian.pastebin.com/NuhKg217 ? thanks. |
| 21:44.34 | jhutchins_lt | amphi: 855 is one of the ones affected. I think the 915 is as well. |
| 21:44.38 | jhutchins_lt | amphi: VERY common cards. |
| 21:44.53 | amphi | indeed - what are the problems? |
| 21:45.07 | jhutchins_lt | !tell dutchfish about ssb |
| 21:45.25 | cantido | jhutchins_lt: the older cards don't like the newer drivers from what I remember, one of the debian xorg guys had builds of the older drivers against the current xorg IIRC |
| 21:45.41 | jhutchins_lt | amphi: Frozen black screen, sometimes with a complete system freeze, sometimes the system's still accessible from ssh. |
| 21:46.00 | cantido | jhutchins_lt: yup, i've seen that exact problem on a mac book with 945 |
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| 21:46.13 | jhutchins_lt | cantido: Yes, the intel drivers in xorg have been having trouble since late 2008 iirc. |
| 21:46.16 | amphi | jhutchins_lt: I had that sort of thing a while back, with the dreaded -trunk kernel IIRC, but no longer |
| 21:46.22 | dutchfish | jhutchins_lt: thanks, i tried that but python-cuputils states deconfiguration is not permitted (--auto-deconfigure might help) , how to solve that? |
| 21:46.25 | project2501a | let me just state for the record, if you run linux on a Macbook, you are stupid. |
| 21:46.35 | project2501a | or have too much money to waste. |
| 21:46.54 | jhutchins_lt | project2501a: Do not attack people who's methods you do not know. |
| 21:47.00 | project2501a | hm |
| 21:47.01 | cantido | project2501a: when I bought that mac book it was cheaper than the same spec generic |
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| 21:47.04 | jhutchins_lt | dutchfish: No idea. |
| 21:47.06 | cantido | project2501a: hence I bought it |
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| 21:47.37 | dutchfish | jhutchins_lt: installing python-cupshelpers would break python-cupsutils |
| 21:47.45 | cantido | jhutchins_lt: I can remember upgrading to a +.1 release of the intel driver and the whole machine locking up all the time |
| 21:47.53 | dutchfish | jhutchins_lt: squeeze, x86_64 |
| 21:47.56 | jhutchins_lt | dutchfish: This is why mixing packages from different releases often fails and breaks systems. |
| 21:48.03 | cantido | jhutchins_lt: up-ported older drivers worked fine |
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| 21:48.32 | jhutchins_lt | dutchfish: My approach to squeeze is to test it, and if it doesn't work for me fall back to lenny until they fix the bug. |
| 21:48.37 | dutchfish | jhutchins_lt: sure but this time squeeze itself is broken with #596249 |
| 21:48.41 | cantido | jhutchins_lt: turning off/changing between UXA, Exa or whatever it is now can also help |
| 21:48.51 | jhutchins_lt | dutchfish: THat's the whole point of testing. |
| 21:49.01 | dutchfish | jhutchins_lt: and fixing ;) |
| 21:49.10 | jhutchins_lt | cantido: kms? |
| 21:49.17 | dutchfish | jhutchins_lt: but thanks anyway |
| 21:49.25 | cantido | jhutchins_lt: nah, the X acceleration stuff |
| 21:49.38 | jhutchins_lt | dutchfish: If the sid release fixes a testing bug it should be ported fairly quickly. |
| 21:50.23 | jhutchins_lt | cantido: I ran through several tries from various bugreports and forums, concluded that until I see a new xorg driver I'm not gonna get it to work. |
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| 21:51.02 | jhutchins_lt | It has problems regardless of whether the framebuffer driver is loaded, so I don't think it's kms or the kernel that's the problem. |
| 21:51.02 | dutchfish | jhutchins_lt: no, system-config-printer-kde has no fix in sid and its broken with depends on python-cupshelpers_1.2.3-1 which isnt in squeeze |
| 21:51.13 | dutchfish | chears |
| 21:51.20 | jhutchins_lt | dutchfish: So backporting isn't gonna help. |
| 21:51.39 | jhutchins_lt | dutchfish: Back to lenny. |
| 21:51.55 | dutchfish | sure if i know how to solve the deconfigur eoption with python-cupsutils |
| 21:51.59 | cantido | jhutchins_lt: the intel drivers have/had a few different acceleration scheme EXA, UXA.. some I don't remember. They switched the default at some point and that caused problems for people with older chips. |
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| 21:54.40 | jhutchins_lt | It started when they decided to consolidate the individual drivers. |
| 21:55.16 | amphi | cantido: or perhaps even XAA will be better on older cards, if the newer drivers still have support for it |
| 21:59.10 | ems | grub loader: If its the only OS, do we need this, isnt grub the menu chooser |
| 21:59.50 | dutchfish | jhutchins_lt: fixed, thanks |
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| 22:00.44 | quitte | ems: you'll need some bootloader to load the kernel and initrd. |
| 22:00.53 | ems | thanks |
| 22:00.58 | ems | :o) |
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| 22:02.19 | jhutchins_lt | dutchfish: How? |
| 22:02.26 | cantido | ems: even if debian is the only os; grub will let you start in rescue mode, boot an older kernel.. it's pretty useful |
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| 22:02.43 | ems | ty |
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| 22:04.09 | dutchfish | jhutchins_lt: forced remoed system-config-printer-kde and pythin-cupsutils, repacked python-cupshelper from source with right deps and installed manually along with latest system-config-printer-kde (squeeze x86_64, now up to date except 1 package from sid) |
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| 22:04.43 | jhutchins_lt | dutchfish: Great! Post the fix to the bugreport. |
| 22:04.46 | dutchfish | jhutchins_lt: sorry for typos |
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| 22:05.45 | dutchfish | jhutchins_lt: now that deps are solvd doesnt mean its bug free, i will further delve into it |
| 22:05.46 | jhutchins_lt | dutchfish: You have helped move squeeze closer to release! |
| 22:06.52 | dutchfish | jhutchins_lt: i will post if my fix turns out to be ok |
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| 22:08.11 | cantido | does gnash support vdpau? |
| 22:08.44 | jhutchins_lt | dutchfish: You don't have to fix the whole thing if you fix part of it, post. |
| 22:08.46 | dutchfish | there are some tools for bios upgrade in debian you know? |
| 22:08.53 | dutchfish | sorry for xpost |
| 22:09.19 | cantido | dutchfish: flashrom, but it won't work for every machine |
| 22:09.44 | dutchfish | true |
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| 22:22.40 | ems | * /bin/sh: bad interpreter: permission denied -- let me guess on this. i need to install SH ? |
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| 22:23.03 | jhutchins_lt | ems: permission denied. |
| 22:23.28 | ems | i have no idea where to begin to fix that |
| 22:23.32 | ems | i like my answer better |
| 22:23.33 | ems | jk |
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| 22:24.17 | ems | let me google it |
| 22:24.19 | SPF | ems: are you executing a script? |
| 22:24.23 | ems | spf yes |
| 22:24.24 | ems | .run |
| 22:24.45 | jollyroger | ems: it seems there is something wrong with first line. Check if it wasn't file in cp1251 encoding, it's a common issue for those ones |
| 22:24.51 | SPF | it might be saved in windoze format |
| 22:25.09 | dutchfish | ems: what does: ls -la $(which sh) tells you? |
| 22:25.19 | ems | hold on let me see |
| 22:26.15 | ems | . /bin/sh -> bash |
| 22:26.25 | dutchfish | ems: on lenny? |
| 22:26.27 | ems | if youre asking for the user. it is root |
| 22:26.28 | ems | yes |
| 22:27.05 | dutchfish | sounds ok, so i suspect a faulty script that has even maybe bashisms, check for it, or debug it |
| 22:27.33 | xxtjaxx | is quit happy now with his locally cached IMAP folders and mutt |
| 22:27.41 | ems | i blame vbox. trying to get the vbox linux guest additions |
| 22:27.53 | tybalt89 | Hi. I'm running a Debian sarge and I think I have a failing disk. Is it OK to rsync the root partition (to another disk) while the system is running? Will a rsync over the /dev directory muck things up? |
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| 22:30.07 | jhutchins_lt | tybalt89: Never really know until you try, but my guess would be "Yes". |
| 22:30.18 | jhutchins_lt | tybalt89: As in "Yes it will muck things up". |
| 22:30.34 | jhutchins_lt | tybalt89: Best to do the rsync booted from a live CD. |
| 22:30.58 | tybalt89 | jhutchins: OK, thanks |
| 22:31.34 | ems | any ideas dutchfish ? should i go back on the site and try to get a solution :( |
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| 22:34.52 | tuv | nautilus won't start in a (tight)vnc session: extension RANDR missing |
| 22:35.12 | dutchfish | ems: i think you should check the script or ask its developer |
| 22:35.59 | jhutchins_lt | tuv: How about file management fromt he console over ssh? |
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| 22:43.24 | tuv | jhutchins_lt: that still works, so does pcmanfm (another graphical fm). still, that does not change the fact that nautilus won't work |
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| 22:47.36 | jhutchins_lt | tuv: randr is usually xrandr screen resize extension, suggesting a screen size mismatch. |
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| 22:49.25 | tuv | jhutchins_lt: i don't think that message is the reason nautilus won't start, but it's all it says |
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| 23:03.59 | LinuxPhreak | can someone tell me how debian live helper works? I want to try and do the same thing it does manually just for the heck of it. |
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| 23:05.07 | jordanm | LinuxPhreak: #debian-live on oftc |
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| 23:06.47 | LinuxPhreak | jordanm: that is on the oftc network |
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| 23:07.16 | LinuxPhreak | irc.otfc.com? |
| 23:07.34 | jordanm | .net |
| 23:07.42 | LinuxPhreak | okay cool |
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| 23:20.18 | bint | holy... i want to give a user specific rights.. like install stuff and so on |
| 23:20.35 | bint | but i can't find a tut howto readme or anything about user rights in debian |
| 23:21.05 | bint | i did adduser .. but it never asked be what rights this user should have.. and now i dont know where to change add or edit these rights |
| 23:21.10 | jhutchins_lt | bint: Forget the Windows "security" model completely. |
| 23:21.25 | bint | hmm |
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| 23:21.28 | ems | any idea show to install open GL (3D accel) in debian? |
| 23:21.31 | jhutchins_lt | bint: You can use sudo to control what users can execute, but the distinctions are not the same. |
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| 23:21.56 | jhutchins_lt | ems: Depends on your graphics chipset. |
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| 23:22.43 | bint | so if i want that user "bint" can install applications i have to define it in sudoers? |
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| 23:22.59 | jhutchins_lt | bint: Still not how it works. |
| 23:23.24 | bint | its a hard and long way gettin into linux :P |
| 23:23.26 | jordanm | you can give the user bint access to aptitude |
| 23:23.29 | jhutchins_lt | bint: One method is that user bint has the password to become root, root has the ability to manage |
| 23:23.35 | jhutchins_lt | packages. |
| 23:23.36 | ems | jhutchins_lt; Radeon ATI |
| 23:23.43 | jordanm | via "sudo aptitude" |
| 23:23.44 | bint | sure but this is stupid.. i want user bint access aptitude |
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| 23:24.24 | jhutchins_lt | bint: Doesn't work that way. |
| 23:24.26 | ems | jhutchins_lt thank you for that ! |
| 23:24.46 | bint | [01:23] <jordanm> you can give the user bint access to aptitude |
| 23:24.52 | bint | thats what i red :D? |
| 23:24.53 | jhutchins_lt | bint: Only root can do certain things. Users can be granted root privilages temporarily through sudo. |
| 23:24.55 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: it can, but rarely done because it makes things extremely insecure |
| 23:25.05 | jordanm | setuid |
| 23:25.06 | bint | oh ok |
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| 23:25.12 | bint | so if its insecure i dont wanna do it |
| 23:25.13 | jhutchins_lt | jordanm: Frequently done because most people have single-user systems. |
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| 23:25.31 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: i was referring to setuid, not sudo |
| 23:25.38 | jhutchins_lt | jordanm: True. |
| 23:25.51 | jhutchins_lt | jordanm: I was referring to users having root PW. |
| 23:26.02 | bint | so if i go for adduser xyz - all these users got the same rights, and usually i cant change em - i have to install sudoers ? |
| 23:26.34 | jhutchins_lt | install sudo, set sudo up to allow that group to run certain programs with or without password. |
| 23:26.45 | bint | aright |
| 23:26.56 | jordanm | bint: you have to install "sudo". visudo to edit, you want something like "bing ALL = /usr/sbin/aptitude" |
| 23:27.15 | jordanm | although, I am really not a fan of this stuff |
| 23:27.21 | jhutchins_lt | bint: Remember that the debian model is for programs/packages to be installed system-wide with the package manager, not downloaded and installed from various sites by users. |
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| 23:27.49 | bint | so if i want that a user is able to install something manually with wget ? |
| 23:28.13 | bint | oh i could chmod the dirs |
| 23:28.16 | jhutchins_lt | bint: On most multi-user systems, a user could download and build software within their own userspace as long as it did not try to do things like access system-level network sockets. |
| 23:28.17 | bint | so users would have more access |
| 23:28.32 | bint | i think i forgot about chmod |
| 23:28.36 | jhutchins_lt | bint: Generally you do NOT want users doing that. |
| 23:28.49 | bint | thats why i couldn't delete files i created with root |
| 23:28.58 | jhutchins_lt | bint: !http://tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/index.html |
| 23:29.02 | bint | thx |
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| 23:29.16 | jhutchins_lt | Read that. This is an entirely different way of managing a system from Windows. |
| 23:29.22 | jordanm | !reference |
| 23:29.23 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. The latest version (v2) is at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ . Read it after installing Debian and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install this too, the package name is debian-reference: 'aptitude install debian-reference' |
| 23:30.02 | bint | thx dudes |
| 23:30.07 | bint | but am i right with the chmod part? |
| 23:30.16 | bint | i couldn't delete a file i creatat with root because of the cmod? |
| 23:31.40 | jordanm | chmod is a command used to change permissions. you couldn't delete it because it had root ownership |
| 23:31.50 | bint | ok |
| 23:32.24 | jordanm | bint: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch01.en.html#_control_of_permissions_for_newly_created_files_umask |
| 23:32.57 | bint | thx |
| 23:33.47 | hell_razer | is first installation cd contains gnome gdm etc? |
| 23:34.22 | jordanm | hell_razer: if you will have internet during installation, get the netinst |
| 23:35.04 | hell_razer | i allready have 1cd and my inet connect is 1mbit it will be so long from netinstall |
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| 23:35.56 | jhutchins_lt | hell_razer: Yes, you can get a working system with GUI off CD1. You might not have all of the local language translations, but it'll work. |
| 23:36.53 | m0ney | Question debian, I have little to no bandwidth and I dont wanna download the entire 4gb iso |
| 23:37.09 | m0ney | Could I still get deb without packages and what not from the cd iso version? |
| 23:37.10 | bzed | m0ney: download the netinstall or business card cd |
| 23:37.14 | m0ney | The 640mb file? |
| 23:37.17 | bzed | no |
| 23:37.21 | jordanm | 160mb |
| 23:37.21 | bzed | the... 60mb file |
| 23:37.24 | bzed | or 160 |
| 23:37.46 | jordanm | !netinst |
| 23:37.46 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 23:37.57 | CaT[t2] | m0ney: netinstall is the way to go. then you can pick and choose exactly what you want to download and install. |
| 23:38.01 | jhutchins_lt | m0ney: The netinstall will only download the actual packages to be installed, this is the most efficient way for a single machine. |
| 23:38.08 | m0ney | Oh OK |
| 23:38.14 | m0ney | Thank you so much Debian! |
| 23:38.17 | m0ney | :) |
| 23:38.17 | bzed | m0ney: there is even a mini.iso |
| 23:38.23 | m0ney | I def appreciate it. |
| 23:38.23 | bzed | with almost nothing :) |
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| 23:38.35 | bzed | but enough to install it, if you have a working internet connection |
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| 23:40.56 | hell_razer | selecting my timezone, i selected english lang, no other button =\ |
| 23:41.38 | ems | oh jhutchins_lt; radeon chan is a bunch of nasty people. but i did get it to work. turns out i just had to wait haha go me :( |
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| 23:41.55 | jhutchins_lt | ems: Good for you. |
| 23:42.15 | jhutchins_lt | ems: Yes, we hear bad rumors about #radeon - they allways tell you you need to upgrade xorg, which isn't true. |
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| 23:46.04 | krunk- | I'm looking at backup-manager for a possible, simple backup solution. Are there any strong opinions on which little utility is better? |
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| 23:50.46 | gnarface | krunk-: tar and/or rsync |
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| 23:51.12 | krunk- | yeah, was in the process of writing a little script. but if someone else has already put together something :P |
| 23:51.34 | jordanm | rsnapshot has |
| 23:52.19 | krunk- | I was using backuppc for a few systems, it was arlight. |
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| 23:56.17 | tuv | mpeg4ip seems to have been removed from apt (unmaintained?). is there an alternative to mp4tags ? |
| 23:57.45 | krunk- | tuv: for tagging? mp4tags is quite good |
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| 23:58.42 | krunk- | tuv: check out tvdb_api and tvnamer python modules. together with mp4tags you can easily auto-tag your videos |
