| 00:00.25 | tuv | krunk-: mp4tags no more |
| 00:00.33 | tuv | krunk-: it's not available in debian anymore |
| 00:00.45 | krunk- | oh, I'm thinking: mp4v2 |
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| 00:00.55 | krunk- | this is what I use: http://code.google.com/p/mp4v2/ |
| 00:01.09 | tuv | krunk-: isn't that a library? |
| 00:01.23 | krunk- | tuv: it comes with a set of cli tools that fully utilize the library |
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| 00:01.56 | tuv | oh |
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| 00:02.26 | tuv | krunk-: which debian package has the cli tools? |
| 00:02.33 | krunk- | not sure how debian packages it or if it does |
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| 00:03.12 | krunk- | found a deb here: http://debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/m/mp4v2/mp4v2.php |
| 00:03.49 | jordanm | !dmm |
| 00:03.50 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>. |
| 00:04.53 | krunk- | anyway, it's a solid lib. well written Konablend's a good programmer |
| 00:05.20 | tuv | krunk-: i have those dmm packages. they are only the library. no binaries |
| 00:05.35 | krunk- | the utils are probably the commands |
| 00:05.51 | krunk- | I maintain the macports port of the same library, it definitely comes with utilities |
| 00:06.48 | krunk- | => mp4art mp4chaps mp4extract mp4file mp4info mp4subtitle mp4tags mp4track mp4trackdump |
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| 00:08.28 | tuv | krunk-: right on. different package name for the utils. was looking for mp4v2. mp4-utils does have mp4tags. thanks |
| 00:08.52 | tuv | krunk-: btw, just found out that easytag (from dmm, not official debian) does handle mp4 tags as well |
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| 00:10.14 | krunk- | like I said, if you grab the python tvdb_api and tvnamer packages I have a script that will take a a directory of video files, rename them from foo.s02e04.hdtv.720p.mp4 to Episode Name.mp4 and tag them with all the relavant info, then move them to a Tagged directory |
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| 00:17.57 | project2501a | *yawn* |
| 00:18.33 | project2501a | i need some sort of adapter that is fast enough to clone two hard drives, 160gb each. can someone suggest something other than USB? |
| 00:19.54 | Metaphysicist | what do you mean fast enough |
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| 00:25.20 | gnarface | usb2.0 doesn't do badly |
| 00:25.41 | gnarface | if your motherboard supports sata hotplug though that's a superior option |
| 00:26.00 | gnarface | sadly many do not :( it makes me angry |
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| 00:31.57 | gnarface | project2501a: http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/usb-gadgets/dd1a/ is pretty neat, because it supports pretty much any drive interface, but if your drives are already sata and you do this a lot then you might want to consider something like this: http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/usb-gadgets/cee7/ or http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/usb-gadgets/a7ea/ since you wouldn't need two to clone drives not already in the case |
| 00:32.51 | gnarface | for any of those three adapters though you'll need usb 2.0 or you'll be waiting all week |
| 00:34.47 | project2501a | gnarface: looking |
| 00:35.17 | project2501a | yeah, i got sata for everything |
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| 00:36.46 | project2501a | gnarface: somehow, doupt that 2 & 3 use internal copying |
| 00:36.46 | gnarface | check your motherboard docs though - even though hotplug is supposed to be a standard feature of the sata standard, most desktop and mid-range server motherboards actually don't support the hotplug part. assuming its supported on hardware where its not would be bad.... |
| 00:37.18 | gnarface | so with 2&3 at least you'd get hotplug capabilities for a system that otherwise didn't have it |
| 00:37.45 | project2501a | *nod* i already got something similar to 3 |
| 00:38.03 | project2501a | two of them to be exact. and it took two days to copy 160gb |
| 00:38.07 | project2501a | and yeah, i got usb2.0 |
| 00:38.24 | gnarface | jesus |
| 00:38.37 | project2501a | to be fair, i was doing dd :D |
| 00:38.37 | gnarface | that's painful. |
| 00:39.27 | project2501a | you should see the preparation i went through to copy the hds. bought a ups exclusively for that |
| 00:40.17 | CaT[t2] | can you specify an 'or' condition for insserv in the start/stop dependancies? |
| 00:41.05 | CaT[t2] | I know + can be used so that things are optional but I want one of a list of items to definately be started. |
| 00:41.23 | gnarface | project2501a: maybe a raid card with sata hotplug that can mirror drives in hardware with some internal buffer? |
| 00:41.56 | gnarface | one would think there are multiple product out there of that type, but i can't name any specifically off the top of my head |
| 00:43.23 | sedstapler | speaking of storage, is firewire generally unsafe (due to the DMA hole) or are the counter measures? my notebook has USB 2.0 and FW800 and i'm considering getting a firefire hard disk enclosure |
| 00:44.00 | sedstapler | *are there |
| 00:44.12 | project2501a | http://ak.buy.com/PI/0/500/216681245.jpg MOTHER DISK |
| 00:44.27 | project2501a | i thought that buy.com gave up the ghost ages ago |
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| 00:44.43 | gnarface | i think they just got bought |
| 00:44.56 | gnarface | i dunno, i use mwave.com or newegg.com unless i have no other option |
| 00:45.04 | sedstapler | project2501a: maybe it's marketed towards single mothers with sons |
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| 00:46.19 | gnarface | sedstapler: hmm. i'm not sure but that's an interesting question - you should be more worried about X11 though - it *is* inherently insecure due to the DMA hole in most (all?) hardware-accelerated graphics drivers |
| 00:46.22 | project2501a | http://www.ics-iq.com/index.cfm/action/product.show/id_product/b12e5077-152e-431e-8133-36cf092e65fb/id_category/c35a1988-9097-452d-9fa7-6017c4dca11b?CFID=11695959&CFTOKEN=98537208 |
| 00:46.28 | project2501a | $2,9000 |
| 00:46.31 | project2501a | nice |
| 00:46.40 | project2501a | ok, back to #debian-offtopic |
| 00:46.53 | gnarface | hah, that's pricy but slick |
| 00:48.10 | sedstapler | gnarface: i don't quite understand. in which way are the graphics drivers insecure? with firewire it's really evil. just plug a rogue device into the target laptop and read/write the RAM. |
| 00:48.27 | gnarface | sedstapler: i'm confused as to why it's a big concern though - are you hosting public services from your laptop? i would think a one-way hardware or software firewall would eliminate the concern |
| 00:48.52 | gnarface | oh! |
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| 00:49.00 | gnarface | i see what you are concerned about |
| 00:49.19 | sedstapler | gnarface: there are even debuggers that allow you to _debug_ linux systems via firewire. you don't need anything except access to the FW port :) |
| 00:49.47 | gnarface | sedstapler: if someone is that close to your laptop unattended they don't need an external device port to hack you. |
| 00:51.19 | sedstapler | gnarface: of course they can reboot but then they need a passphrase for the drive. i'm not that worried about cold boot attacks. i mean, the firewire thing can be done in a really sneaky way. opening the laptop and freezing the RAM is a bit more conspicuous :-D |
| 00:51.31 | gnarface | but this isn't windows where you can just put an autoexec.ini or whatever on the drive and have it run anything on hotplug |
| 00:51.55 | sedstapler | gnarface: but this is firewire where the rogue device can just read/write the whole RAM independent of the OS |
| 00:51.57 | gnarface | just make sure your system isn't set up to auto mount anything and you should be fine, i would think |
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| 00:52.18 | gnarface | maybe i'm naive |
| 00:52.18 | sedstapler | it's independent of the OS, gnarface |
| 00:52.23 | sedstapler | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_1394_interface#Security_issues |
| 00:53.00 | gnarface | oh god |
| 00:53.04 | gnarface | i'm scared now |
| 00:53.06 | gnarface | uh |
| 00:53.18 | sedstapler | you don't need any cooperation of the OS, at least that's what it used to be. it sounds like some newer hardware is protected. |
| 00:53.23 | gnarface | can you disable the firewire port in the bios? |
| 00:53.27 | sedstapler | yes of course |
| 00:53.36 | gnarface | at that point i would :( |
| 00:53.51 | sedstapler | that's my default so far but newer hardware might be protected |
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| 00:54.07 | sedstapler | i guess the only way to find out is to try the attack by myself |
| 00:54.28 | gnarface | i would imagine that to be a vendor-specific protection - check the changelog for new bios firmware from the manufacturer? |
| 00:55.42 | sedstapler | firewire used to be the standard attack at my university's security class, very impressive to undergrads :-D |
| 00:55.44 | gnarface | you DO have the latest firmware right? |
| 00:55.48 | sedstapler | yeah |
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| 00:56.31 | gnarface | you could always consider physical security |
| 00:56.52 | gnarface | lock your hibernating laptop in a metal laptop case or something |
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| 00:57.20 | sedstapler | i dislike the idea of instant root by connecting a cable even without an actual danger |
| 00:57.25 | sedstapler | it's just wrong |
| 00:57.29 | gnarface | i agree |
| 00:57.41 | gnarface | but the concern about leaving your laptop running and unattended remains |
| 00:58.11 | gnarface | that's *never* gonna be completely secure |
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| 00:58.23 | gnarface | although a bios-level password may go a long way |
| 00:58.38 | sedstapler | true. i usually hibernate and take the boot medium with me. the hard drive is 100% encrypted, /boot is on a USB stick which i only plug for a minute or two and then carry in my pocket. |
| 00:58.54 | sedstapler | not even a partition table on /dev/sda :-) |
| 00:59.05 | gnarface | interesting |
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| 00:59.55 | sedstapler | it comes with the convienience of having a rescue live cd on the stick too |
| 01:00.13 | sedstapler | *convenience |
| 01:00.39 | sedstapler | so it's really not that bad to carry it all the time |
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| 01:01.24 | gnarface | hmm |
| 01:01.32 | sedstapler | i'm less worried about evil forces but more about common thieves. i'd hate the idea of not knowing what some thug does with my data |
| 01:01.55 | sedstapler | screwing with e-mail accounts and whatnot |
| 01:02.01 | gnarface | i wonder if its possible to re-enable firewire in the bios from within a booted linux system |
| 01:02.09 | sedstapler | good question |
| 01:02.15 | gnarface | you could just set up a mount script that turns it back on when you need to use it |
| 01:02.19 | gnarface | and turns it off when you unmount |
| 01:02.41 | gnarface | then theoretically as long as you didn't leave anything in there mounted nobody would be able to attack you with a drive-by hotplug |
| 01:02.45 | gnarface | at least theoretically |
| 01:03.14 | sedstapler | firewire is fast. i bet you could design an infection device that only needs a second to install trojans. |
| 01:03.32 | gnarface | for laptops this raises a bigger security concern to me now though |
| 01:03.48 | gnarface | is your average bluetooth or wifi adapter any less vulnerable if enabled? |
| 01:04.04 | sedstapler | maybe modern chipsets are secure. wikipedia indicates that some are. i can't find good information about it tho |
| 01:04.12 | gnarface | how many other interface ports (wired or otherwise) have direct-bios access on mobile hardware? |
| 01:04.29 | sedstapler | i don't know of any equally severe vulnerabilities in other common interfaces like bluetooth or wifi |
| 01:04.37 | gnarface | scary to ponder still |
| 01:04.51 | gnarface | IR ports |
| 01:04.53 | gnarface | shudders |
| 01:04.56 | sedstapler | the PS3 just got hacked via a flaw in the USB stack but that's probably software side, not hardware :) |
| 01:05.18 | sedstapler | since sony hotfixed it |
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| 01:06.28 | gnarface | IOS 4.1 was jailbroken again within hours of it being patched to fix the previous hack |
| 01:06.49 | gnarface | you have any idea whether that was hardware or os? |
| 01:07.11 | gnarface | people were saying it might be impossible to fix the new hack |
| 01:07.32 | sedstapler | that firewire problem is probably the brainchild of law enforcement agencies. just dump the RAM when seizing computers, extract disk passphrases in the lab later :-D |
| 01:08.07 | gnarface | yea i haven't used it much |
| 01:08.12 | gnarface | mostly because it's too expensive |
| 01:09.17 | sedstapler | aye, the hard disk enclosures have always been very pricey but used ones are cheap nowadays since many migrate to eSATA (which my notebook doesn't have yet) |
| 01:09.21 | gnarface | i wonder if there is a way a booted debian system can protect against the firewire attack |
| 01:10.45 | sedstapler | a quite recent paper suggests that there's no possible software fix: http://www.securityresearch.at/publications/windows7_firewire_physical_attacks.pdf |
| 01:11.12 | gnarface | http://www.hermann-uwe.de/blog/physical-memory-attacks-via-firewire-dma-part-1-overview-and-mitigation |
| 01:11.31 | gnarface | this one says just set phys_dma=0 as an option to the ohci1394 module... ? |
| 01:11.57 | gnarface | no possible software fix in windows 7 :-p |
| 01:12.00 | gnarface | snorts |
| 01:12.02 | sedstapler | cool |
| 01:12.05 | sedstapler | :-D |
| 01:12.12 | gnarface | there's no possible software fix for windows 7 |
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| 01:13.46 | sedstapler | that sounds promising |
| 01:14.06 | gnarface | i'd try that phys_dma=0 thing then maybe try some of the test attacks on your current kernel and make sure it works. at least that should protect you while the system is booted.... if they have to reboot your system to make it vulnerable you've already lost anyway |
| 01:14.39 | gnarface | hmm. unless... |
| 01:14.49 | gnarface | do bios passwords happen pre-post? |
| 01:14.52 | sedstapler | reboot => hard disk encrypted, /boot on USB in my pocket |
| 01:15.01 | gnarface | oh right |
| 01:15.04 | gnarface | this is an attack on the RAM |
| 01:15.22 | gnarface | so an unbooted system even if vulnerable wouldn't have anything useful in the ram to grab, right? |
| 01:15.24 | sedstapler | yeah, someone could freeze the RAM, reboot and read the keys but i'm not that paranoid |
| 01:15.52 | sedstapler | freeze as in open the laptop, apply ice spray |
| 01:16.30 | gnarface | well they could come along with their own rescue disk, but if you had a bios-level password it wouldn't complete boot without disassembly |
| 01:16.37 | sedstapler | sells his electronics and moves into a cave. it's easier. |
| 01:16.57 | sedstapler | oh, that's a good point |
| 01:17.06 | gnarface | presumably if they have enough time to take apart your laptop to pull the cmos battery you left your laptop alone too long though |
| 01:17.27 | xuser | flashplugin no longer in squeeze for 32bit? |
| 01:17.54 | gnarface | xuser: really? that's news. do you have contrib and non-free in your sources? |
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| 01:18.09 | sedstapler | xuser: seems to be the case, xuser |
| 01:18.16 | sedstapler | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=flashplugin&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
| 01:18.19 | sedstapler | only lenny-backports & sid |
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| 01:18.56 | gnarface | what about flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound - that's still in there right? |
| 01:18.59 | xuser | yeah, I'm doing it the old way, putting libflashxxx.so /usr/lib/mozilla/plugis |
| 01:19.17 | gnarface | wishes it was that easy with amd64 |
| 01:19.33 | sedstapler | i assume that's just temporary and it will return with the squeeze release |
| 01:20.03 | sedstapler | yeah :( nspluginwrapper just doesn't work all the time. it's okay with youtube but colbertnation or southparkstudios just won't play anything with it |
| 01:20.03 | xuser | from adobe.com but I guess I'm missing some lib because is not reproducing flash content |
| 01:20.24 | sedstapler | xuser: try âlddâ on libflashplugin...so |
| 01:20.52 | xuser | sedstapler: nlddn? |
| 01:20.56 | gnarface | i can't even get nspluginwrapper to complete install at all - i suspect it naively relies on things that aren't in its explicit dependency list that i don't have becuase i didn't install with contrib and non-free |
| 01:21.13 | sedstapler | xuser: oh, your IRC client seems to misinterpret my UTF-8 quotes. ldd :) |
| 01:21.32 | xuser | sedstapler: :) |
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| 01:21.43 | xuser | switchs to uxterm |
| 01:21.56 | sedstapler | started to use typographically âproperâ quotes because they're so pretty |
| 01:21.59 | gnarface | i prefer urxvt |
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| 01:22.17 | CaT[t2] | there is lots of win with urxvt. |
| 01:22.18 | gnarface | how are you entering those sedstapler ? |
| 01:22.30 | sedstapler | gnarface: Compose < " and Compose > " |
| 01:23.13 | gnarface | is Compose a key on your keyboard? |
| 01:23.14 | sedstapler | i configured the âmenu keyâ (left to right-ctrl) as compose |
| 01:23.50 | gnarface | neat |
| 01:23.51 | sedstapler | in .Xmodmap: keycode 135 = Multi_key |
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| 01:24.05 | gnarface | digs out his old sparcstation keyboard and examines it |
| 01:24.11 | sedstapler | it allows you to write umlauts too, like: âCompose : oâ yields ö |
| 01:24.42 | gnarface | huh |
| 01:24.54 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:24.58 | sedstapler | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compose_key#Common_compose_combinations |
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| 01:25.37 | gnarface | â" |
| 01:25.38 | gnarface | hmm |
| 01:25.48 | SuperMiguel | whats the best program to test my ssd read/write speed? |
| 01:26.05 | gnarface | does hdparm work on stuff that's not IDE? |
| 01:26.22 | chrisbeebops | hdparm works |
| 01:26.36 | gnarface | SuperMiguel: hdparm -t and -T |
| 01:26.47 | sedstapler | SuperMiguel: good question. a primitive but effective solution would be time dd if=/dev/sdX of=/dev/null bs=1M (or different block sizes of course) |
| 01:27.07 | macrobat | those "random" reads and writes might be harder to measure |
| 01:27.43 | gnarface | dd if=/dev/urandom ...? |
| 01:27.53 | sedstapler | afaik SSDs are not easy to benchmark in a meaningful way, with all the wear-leveling and other black magic |
| 01:28.14 | gnarface | yea you gotta turn off the write caching somehow |
| 01:28.27 | zinx | bonnie? |
| 01:28.35 | gnarface | they behave like floppies by default - you can write a ton of crap to them but it doesn't physically *write* until you umount |
| 01:29.05 | gnarface | ah bonnie++ might be a good one |
| 01:29.11 | sedstapler | you can flush the kernel's file and block caches for benchmarking. To free pagecache, dentries and inodes: echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches |
| 01:29.28 | zinx | gnarface: not entirely true - the OS does cause writes to happen due to ordering requirements sometimes |
| 01:29.42 | gnarface | zinx: noted |
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| 01:30.28 | SuperMiguel | sucks that must of the good tools are for windows :9 |
| 01:30.44 | gnarface | SuperMiguel: shut your mouth! |
| 01:31.17 | zinx | SuperMiguel: ya, good tools like grep, cut, sed, awk, find, .... |
| 01:31.25 | sedstapler | linux users prefer to work or slack off in IRC instead of running benchmarks :P |
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| 01:31.36 | gnarface | what sucks is that there's windows keys on my keyboard |
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| 01:31.47 | gnarface | gets a metal file |
| 01:31.47 | zinx | gnarface: what? |
| 01:32.04 | zinx | gnarface: that's the wavey square key, it does whatever you program it to do |
| 01:32.08 | aaroninfidel | Hi there, I'm using MySQL and everytime I store a row containing the time the time is off. how can I fix the time? |
| 01:32.20 | gnarface | zinx: there are windows logos on my super_L and super_R keys, i'm just saying i find it insulting |
| 01:32.37 | zinx | gnarface: it's not a windows logo, it's a wavey square! |
| 01:32.38 | gnarface | aaroninfidel: fix the system time |
| 01:32.50 | gnarface | zinx: haha tell yourself whatever you want |
| 01:32.50 | aaroninfidel | gnarface: any suggestion on how to do that? |
| 01:32.54 | zinx | gnarface: :P |
| 01:33.17 | smacnay | Damn, there are windows in my house. Can I not look anywhere without REdmond on my mind?! |
| 01:33.18 | gnarface | aaroninfidel: yes; ntpdate pool.ntp.org && hwclock --systohc |
| 01:33.28 | gnarface | smacnay: paint those black |
| 01:33.38 | sedstapler | gnarface: you probably paid microsoft for it indirectly through patent licensing fees. they do own and cash in for horizontal scroll wheels on mice too, after all :-D |
| 01:33.40 | aaroninfidel | and that'll also set my box to PDT? |
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| 01:34.03 | gnarface | aaroninfidel: no to do that you want to dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 01:34.12 | smacnay | gnarface, I could and etch out a bash prompt in the upper left corner. That would be pretty cool. |
| 01:34.13 | gnarface | aaroninfidel: do that first, then fix the actual time |
| 01:34.35 | gnarface | smacnay: i like it. send pics |
| 01:34.56 | aaroninfidel | gnarface: ok I tried the command and I got an error. |
| 01:34.58 | smacnay | not going to happen here. My wife would kill me. |
| 01:35.09 | gnarface | aaroninfidel: ntpdate isn't installed by default |
| 01:35.25 | aaroninfidel | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:35.43 | sedstapler | aaroninfidel: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 01:35.51 | sedstapler | to set the time zone to PDT |
| 01:35.53 | Dewi | SuperMiguel: windows doesn't have tools, it only has 'solutions' |
| 01:36.15 | aaroninfidel | for california time I would select America->Los_Angeles right? |
| 01:36.32 | gnarface | aaroninfidel: yes |
| 01:36.44 | SuperMiguel | Dewi, i was taking about ssd benchmarking solutions then :P |
| 01:36.57 | aaroninfidel | gnarface: ok and how to get the ntpdate fixed? |
| 01:37.08 | gnarface | aaroninfidel: apt-get update && apt-get install ntpdate |
| 01:37.08 | aaroninfidel | its saying the operation is not permitted. |
| 01:37.15 | gnarface | oh, you gotta be root dude |
| 01:37.25 | aaroninfidel | I am root. |
| 01:37.29 | gnarface | blink |
| 01:37.36 | aaroninfidel | it's on a virtual node though using openvz |
| 01:37.37 | gnarface | are you on a virtual machine of some sort? |
| 01:37.38 | gnarface | yea |
| 01:37.43 | gnarface | virtual machines can't change their own time |
| 01:37.50 | gnarface | you gotta change it on the host system |
| 01:37.53 | aaroninfidel | ok so I have to login to the main box? |
| 01:37.53 | aaroninfidel | ok |
| 01:38.38 | gnarface | aaroninfidel: for that matter, you probably should set the correct default timezone on the host system too |
| 01:38.48 | aaroninfidel | ok |
| 01:39.02 | sedstapler | alternatively use UTC time everywhere |
| 01:39.08 | Dewi | SuperMiguel: I haven't found any decent I/O benchmarks for windows |
| 01:39.20 | sedstapler | that's what I'm doing on servers nowadays, for consistency |
| 01:39.29 | Dewi | SuperMiguel: at laest I can get basic block speeds with a one-liner in unix |
| 01:39.31 | SuperMiguel | Dewi, whats a good tool to benchmark an SSD raid? |
| 01:39.36 | gnarface | aaroninfidel: i *think* that if you set the correct default timezone on the host system, then run hwclock --systohc it will put your bios in UTC and then all the guest systems can use whatever timezone they want. |
| 01:39.40 | Dewi | SuperMiguel: dd ? |
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| 01:40.13 | sedstapler | SuperMiguel: âtime ddâ, also try different block sizes with it |
| 01:40.24 | aaroninfidel | gnarface: have you ever used openvz? |
| 01:40.24 | Dewi | sedstapler: dd already outputs stats, no need for time |
| 01:40.30 | gnarface | aaroninfidel: never, sorry |
| 01:40.31 | sedstapler | Dewi: ah yeah, true :) |
| 01:40.33 | aaroninfidel | darn... |
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| 01:40.49 | gnarface | aaroninfidel: but i can guess it's possible you should shut down the guests before or after the change |
| 01:41.02 | aaroninfidel | anyone here ever use openvz? I need some help. I've got the login to the web panel and I'm trying to set the hardware clock for one of the servers. |
| 01:41.14 | gnarface | aaroninfidel: you need ssh |
| 01:41.22 | SuperMiguel | Dewi, sedstapler dd if=/dev/zero of=tempfile bs=1M count=1024 conv=fdatasync,notrunc ? |
| 01:41.24 | aaroninfidel | I see. |
| 01:41.24 | aaroninfidel | ok |
| 01:41.55 | gnarface | SuperMiguel: try if=/dev/urandom |
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| 01:42.15 | Dewi | gnarface: hmm, assuming it can keep up |
| 01:42.31 | Dewi | SuperMiguel: I'd used fsync instead of fdatasync |
| 01:42.32 | gnarface | urandom should be able to keep up, it's /dev/random that runs out right? |
| 01:42.34 | sedstapler | SuperMiguel: then you're benchmarking the file system + the disk, not just the disk tho |
| 01:42.38 | Dewi | SuperMiguel: but yeah that's cool |
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| 01:42.57 | Dewi | sedstapler: I see that as preferable |
| 01:43.38 | Dewi | sedstapler: in-context testing is better than out of context. You should only compare with other figures obtained the same way, of course |
| 01:44.25 | sedstapler | Dewi: yes, i agree generally but measuring the bare block device has its place too, with less variables influencing the results |
| 01:44.26 | Dewi | gnarface: yeah, but urandom isn't lightning quick on all systems either |
| 01:44.33 | gnarface | hmm. :-/ |
| 01:44.53 | sedstapler | if you have enough ram, put a large enough random file in a tmpfs |
| 01:44.57 | project2501a | man |
| 01:45.03 | SuperMiguel | Dewi, when i runn that i get a invalid conversion :S |
| 01:45.06 | gnarface | oh that's a good plan sedstapler |
| 01:45.12 | project2501a | one more hour till i have to face jeddah international airport *facepalm* |
| 01:45.33 | sedstapler | project2501a: what's so bad about it? |
| 01:45.36 | Dewi | gnarface: on my main home server urandom is only 5MiB/s |
| 01:45.38 | SuperMiguel | Dewi, should i just run dd if=tempfile of=/dev/null bs=1024 count=1024 |
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| 01:46.05 | Dewi | SuperMiguel: that would be read speed. The other was write |
| 01:46.22 | gnarface | SuperMiguel: if == "input file" of == "output file" |
| 01:47.40 | gnarface | Dewi: i had no idea it was that constrained - i thought it was basically like a /dev/random that would auto-fill with zeroes or not-truly-random data when it ran out of enough entropy to fill the pipe |
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| 01:48.30 | odla | hi ... if i want to install squeeze directly should i use the alpha d-i released a few months back or would it be better to d/l and install one of the weekly images of the testing distribution? |
| 01:48.35 | odla | or does it not matter? |
| 01:49.16 | gnarface | odla: it's like russian roulette with the testing install. most people have better luck installing a minimal base stable or kmuto then upgrading to testing/unstable post-install |
| 01:49.47 | odla | gnarface: i've had good success in the past w/ alpha1 |
| 01:49.50 | Dewi | gnarface: it simulates using a half-decent pseudo-random generator. I think it's a lot better randomness than many people think |
| 01:49.52 | odla | but i'm not sure if it's been too long |
| 01:50.19 | Dewi | gnarface: it's just not something you should be using to generate a key you're gonna be using for 24 months to protect state secrets |
| 01:50.34 | gnarface | indeed |
| 01:54.26 | gnarface | Dewi: yea i guess i'm only getting about 5.7MB/s out of my /dev/urandom. kindof disappointing |
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| 01:55.31 | gnarface | Dewi: compared to 224MB/s from /dev/zero - but how much of that lack of bottleneck is the ability of the kernel/filesystem to fill zeroes faster than random data? |
| 01:56.09 | Dewi | gnarface: only way to find out is with a ramdisk |
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| 01:56.48 | Dewi | gnarface: but I think most of the stuff we're talking about here isn't particularly assisted by long strings of zeroes, as long as you're not piping via gzip :P |
| 01:57.14 | Dewi | gnarface: we need /dev/uurandom |
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| 01:59.20 | gnarface | yea |
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| 01:59.32 | gnarface | totally |
| 01:59.48 | Dewi | gnarface: wouldn't be hard to write a perl script |
| 01:59.59 | gnarface | i was thinking of something hardware based |
| 02:00.28 | gnarface | like an old television tube attached to the serial port, just for reading analogue noise and turning it into random data |
| 02:00.43 | gnarface | serial/usb |
| 02:00.47 | gnarface | would that work? |
| 02:00.50 | gnarface | in theory? |
| 02:01.05 | Dewi | sure, most entropy sources used to be devices |
| 02:01.28 | Dewi | /dev/random gets all its randomness from hardware too, but indirectly, like keyboard timings and stuff |
| 02:01.43 | sedstapler | gnarface: what block size are you using? i'm getting 15.8 GB/s from /dev/zero |
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| 02:01.51 | sedstapler | with 1M blocks |
| 02:01.53 | Dewi | unfortunately linux doesn't seem to use other sources like LAN and HD seek timings as much as I'd like |
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| 02:02.25 | z1y | Hello all. I am using rkhunter on my servers. It reports that some files were changed. But how can I know the checksum of the origninal files (from Debian repository, for example), so that I can ensure that my files weren't modified by any hacker? |
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| 02:03.18 | Parabola | hey, whats a good way to see what eth# device i have? |
| 02:03.21 | Parabola | bad wording, um |
| 02:03.32 | gnarface | Parabola: ifconfig -a |
| 02:03.32 | Parabola | in my interfaces file its eth5, well thats no longer working |
| 02:03.37 | Parabola | and its not starting |
| 02:03.53 | Parabola | oh, my i feel dumb |
| 02:03.56 | Parabola | its now eth6 |
| 02:04.25 | Dewi | Parabola: udev tries to hold onto existing mappings but sometimes it fails after a hardware change |
| 02:04.33 | Parabola | Dewi: i understand |
| 02:04.36 | Dewi | Parabola: or if you trashed its cache |
| 02:04.51 | Parabola | Dewi: its a VM on an ESXi 4 box, i migrated its datastore to the new SAN |
| 02:04.57 | Parabola | i suppose that caused it |
| 02:05.55 | sedstapler | Parabola: you can assigned fixed names to network devices with /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
| 02:06.04 | Dewi | sedstapler++ |
| 02:06.05 | Parabola | oh, cool, thanks man :) |
| 02:06.15 | Parabola | i got new storage :D |
| 02:06.22 | Parabola | dell md3000i , 15x 2TB drives |
| 02:06.43 | sedstapler | afaik the names are freeform, so something like âexternal0â or âinternal123â would work |
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| 02:18.41 | MegafOSX | hi all |
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| 02:19.24 | magyar | hi, how do i force uninstall of old packages? |
| 02:19.39 | magyar | Removing webmin-fsdump |
| 02:19.46 | gnarface | magyar: dpkg --purge [package name] |
| 02:19.57 | magyar | dpkg: error processing webmin-fsdump (--remove): |
| 02:19.57 | dpkg | magyar: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 02:20.16 | MegafOSX | folks, could you help the community downloading and seeding the latest debian squeeze dvd iso please? |
| 02:20.17 | MegafOSX | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2281263/debian-testing-i386-DVD-1.iso.torrent |
| 02:20.36 | gnarface | MegafOSX: are you spamming? |
| 02:20.38 | magyar | gnarface: http://pastebin.com/0Nhz6jpp |
| 02:20.44 | MegafOSX | i did a slightly modified version of the torrent from debian.org |
| 02:20.55 | MegafOSX | i added two new trackers |
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| 02:21.01 | gnarface | lol magyar you gotta be root |
| 02:21.04 | MegafOSX | gnarface: no at all |
| 02:21.10 | magyar | gnarface: i am |
| 02:21.42 | gnarface | magnet: was it running? is the file still there? |
| 02:22.23 | gnarface | sorry magnet, magyar ^^^ |
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| 02:24.06 | magyar | gnarface: the file is not ther |
| 02:24.09 | magyar | there |
| 02:24.27 | gnarface | magyar: does dpkg -l [package name] show the package listed anymore? |
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| 02:25.50 | magyar | gnarface: it does, but webmin has been gone since sarge |
| 02:26.07 | gnarface | magyar: in the left column, what are the two letters next to it |
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| 02:26.52 | magyar | gnarface: http://pastebin.com/S5VEC3N2 |
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| 02:28.37 | gnarface | magyar: it's telling you they've been uninstalled but may have left behind config files (especially hand-edited ones) try this just for the hell of it: apt-get update && apt-get purge webmin |
| 02:28.42 | gnarface | btw, webmin sucks ass |
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| 02:29.58 | Parabola | i love webmin |
| 02:30.15 | magyar | gnarface: k, i just did a "rm -f /var/lib/dpkg/info/webmin-*" |
| 02:30.20 | magyar | now it works fine |
| 02:30.28 | magyar | me toooo |
| 02:30.31 | magyar | -_- |
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| 02:31.51 | gnarface | magyar: you have angered the dpkg gods. woe be upon you |
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| 02:33.54 | Louis11 | I am trying to compile on debian, and get a message stating that make is not a command. gcc is installed, so I assumed make would be as well. I tried doing a 'sudo apt-get install make' however I get the following error: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/make-dfsg/make_3.81-2_i386.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 128.30.2.36 80] |
| 02:34.00 | Louis11 | E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing? |
| 02:34.04 | Louis11 | any ideas how to fix this? |
| 02:34.14 | gnarface | Louis11: you assume wrong |
| 02:34.18 | Louis11 | it seems to be the case with any package I try and install (e.g. Subversion) |
| 02:34.34 | Louis11 | well, how do I get make then? |
| 02:34.36 | Arrowmaster | Louis11: install build-essentials |
| 02:34.46 | Louis11 | sudo apt-get install? |
| 02:34.51 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 02:35.12 | gnarface | you know my dad always had this saying about assume |
| 02:35.14 | Louis11 | lots of "failed to fetch" errors |
| 02:35.26 | Arrowmaster | do apt-get update first |
| 02:35.28 | Louis11 | wouldn't let me install build-essential |
| 02:35.31 | Louis11 | i did that earlier |
| 02:35.34 | Louis11 | ill do it again |
| 02:35.36 | Arrowmaster | do it again |
| 02:36.25 | Parabola | anyone here know anything about centos? i only ask becfause no one over there is responding |
| 02:36.26 | Louis11 | result: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=jaAWfdEM |
| 02:36.38 | Parabola | and the same networking issue i had with the debian VM happened with this centos Vm |
| 02:36.43 | Louis11 | similar error, 404 and what not |
| 02:36.45 | Parabola | and i dont know how to fix it |
| 02:36.57 | Arrowmaster | Louis11: probably because you are using etch |
| 02:37.06 | Louis11 | etch? |
| 02:37.07 | project2501a | sedstapler: it's a major airport and it is the end of Eid. |
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| 02:37.13 | project2501a | erh, the end of Ramdan |
| 02:37.20 | project2501a | it will be like jews on the west wall |
| 02:37.25 | Louis11 | I take it it's the server? |
| 02:38.05 | Arrowmaster | etch is not supported anymore so maybe a mirror doesnt have it anymore |
| 02:38.10 | SuperMiguel | a 2gb file good enought to use dd to test read and write speeds? |
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| 02:38.33 | gnarface | Parabola: here's what i know about centos: use debian instead |
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| 02:38.46 | Louis11 | hm, how do I fix that? |
| 02:38.51 | Parabola | gnarface: great help, seeing as its a trixbox server |
| 02:38.54 | Louis11 | anyway to change what mirror i'm using? |
| 02:38.59 | Arrowmaster | you could upgrade to lenny |
| 02:39.19 | gnarface | Louis11: etch is deprecated. |
| 02:40.39 | gnarface | Louis11: you change your mirror in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 02:41.13 | jpinx-eeepc | ssh'd with " ssh -t " into a remote box and chrooted into a mounted sqeeze sysem there, and I want to run screen, but it fails with "Must be connected to a terminal" Any ideas anyone? |
| 02:41.14 | Louis11 | gnarface: and what exactly would I put in there? |
| 02:41.19 | gnarface | Louis11: just go into that file and change 'etch' to 'lenny' everywhere it appears, then do apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 02:41.52 | gnarface | jpinx-eeepc: some problem with virtual servers? |
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| 02:43.08 | gnarface | Louis11: then get a snack and prepare for a long wait |
| 02:43.12 | Louis11 | hm, on update i get an error about my public key - anyway to update that as well? |
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| 02:43.37 | jpinx-eeepc | gnarface: nope . it's a chroot of squeeze on my n900 ;) |
| 02:44.06 | gnarface | Louis11: yes you can apt-get install the debian-archive-keyring package first, that will eliminate the warning for subsequent install/upgrade/dist-upgrade actions |
| 02:44.27 | gnarface | Louis11: but complete the apt-get update first, ignore the warnings |
| 02:45.51 | Louis11 | alright, working on it now. Thanks :) |
| 02:52.19 | jpinx-eeepc | gnarface: sorted - my bad mount of /dev/pts was the trouble |
| 02:53.39 | gnarface | ah ha! |
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| 03:21.30 | Led_Zeppelin | i want to know if this is possible with named pipes. I have 3 files which I have 3 tail -f. Is it possible to have all the tail -f goto 1 named pipe? |
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| 03:36.54 | gnarface | Led_Zeppelin: i think you can use >> |
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| 03:43.45 | gnarface | Led_Zeppelin: >> should create or append if exists where > does a create or truncate then append if exists - i've never personally tried it with multiple simultaneous sources but i believe it would work |
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| 04:22.42 | Old_Spike0 | In a networkless computer, do I need to apply the CDs with the 5.0.5 updates, before using 5.0.6? |
| 04:23.07 | Old_Spike0 | The machine has 5.0.4 installed. |
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| 04:32.29 | peterrooney | Old_Spike0: not really. |
| 04:33.10 | Bushmills | tail -f file1 file2 file3 is also possible |
| 04:33.19 | Old_Spike0 | peterrooney, so the updates in 5.0.5 are intended in 5.0.6? |
| 04:33.30 | peterrooney | Old_Spike0: more like bypassed. |
| 04:35.05 | Old_Spike0 | peterrooney, I see. Thanks for making it clear. It is definitetely a good way of keeping old CDs around, instead of being waste. |
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| 05:07.01 | sdi | Hi,when I dd if=/dev/hdb4 of=/tmp/a.iso .should I umount hdb4 first? |
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| 05:09.44 | avocado | probably |
| 05:10.17 | sdi | o.. |
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| 05:10.55 | avocado | or you better hope no data changed while that ran.. or something bad probably happened |
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| 05:12.07 | sdi | I see |
| 05:12.24 | avocado | sdi: or you can try it and tell me how it goes |
| 05:13.32 | sdi | I am doing it now.without umount. and thinking it may do some bad,so I asked |
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| 05:18.39 | avocado | sdi: if your img is corrupted, don't be surprised |
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| 05:39.05 | yabanize | Hello |
| 05:39.07 | yabanize | anyone here? |
| 05:39.55 | yabanize | Hello i have a program for Etch but i need to use it in Lenny how can i trick it to think i have etch? |
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| 05:41.45 | yabanize | Please help me? |
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| 05:44.27 | jpinx-eeepc | yabanize: what pkg |
| 05:44.35 | yabanize | OpenPanel |
| 05:44.51 | jpinx-eeepc | , versions openpanel |
| 05:45.03 | yabanize | the latest |
| 05:45.24 | yabanize | http://openpanel.com |
| 05:45.37 | jpinx-eeepc | bugger , judd has died |
| 05:45.52 | yabanize | judd? |
| 05:46.06 | jpinx-eeepc | yabanize: are you running lenny now? |
| 05:46.11 | yabanize | yes |
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| 05:46.49 | jpinx-eeepc | ok - there appears to be no OpenPanel in Lenny |
| 05:47.06 | yabanize | wget -O- get.openpanel.com | sh |
| 05:47.25 | yabanize | type in lenny it says not compatible with etch |
| 05:47.39 | yabanize | not compatible with lenny* |
| 05:48.32 | jpinx-eeepc | looks like there is no version that will run in lenny |
| 05:48.51 | yabanize | but can i trick it to run?" so it thinks its etch |
| 05:49.09 | yabanize | bypass the os check |
| 05:49.27 | jpinx-eeepc | it'll be problems with olde dependencies, maybe telling you to downgrade some libraries which would break lenny r |
| 05:49.58 | jpinx-eeepc | I can't find any .deb for OpenPanel anywhere |
| 05:50.05 | jpinx-eeepc | it must be ancient |
| 05:50.24 | yabanize | http://get.openpanel.com/ |
| 05:50.32 | yabanize | its got the script |
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| 05:51.54 | jpinx-eeepc | yabanize: http://forum.openpanel.com/index.php?topic=552.0 |
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| 05:52.10 | jpinx-eeepc | yabanize: do the rest of the legwork yourself :) |
| 05:52.24 | yabanize | Im looking in the script and found the OS check |
| 05:52.48 | jpinx-eeepc | did you even read the link I just posted for you? |
| 05:53.34 | yabanize | yes |
| 05:53.38 | yabanize | i will do that |
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| 05:54.16 | yabanize | where is the sources.list located again? |
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| 05:55.19 | ansgar | yabanize: man sources.list knows. |
| 05:56.09 | yabanize | /etc/apt/sources.list: permission denied |
| 05:56.19 | yabanize | ok i will chmod |
| 05:57.27 | yabanize | DUH nano |
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| 06:04.22 | jordanb | Hi |
| 06:04.25 | jordanb | I'm installing debina |
| 06:04.33 | jordanb | I just had it hang witht he graphical installer |
| 06:04.39 | jordanb | I'm trying again with the non-graphical one |
| 06:04.45 | jordanb | I'm setting up an encrypted partition |
| 06:04.51 | jordanb | It wants to write random data to it |
| 06:05.00 | jordanb | I just spent four hours letting it write random data. |
| 06:05.06 | jordanb | Is there some way I can skip this step? |
| 06:05.13 | jordanb | The data on the disk is random enough |
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| 06:06.52 | jordanb | oh nevermind |
| 06:07.00 | jordanb | choosing 'no' let me proceed. ;) |
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| 06:09.35 | yabanize | Line 11 malfunction http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?adc22bba87.png |
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| 06:10.45 | yabanize | Can someone tell me whats wrong with http://bit.ly/98mPKK (line 11 malformed) |
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| 06:11.41 | fantasticulous | hi all. i'm getting an error: Generating grub.cfg ... |
| 06:11.41 | fantasticulous | No path or device is specified. |
| 06:11.41 | fantasticulous | Try `/usr/sbin/grub-probe --help' for more information. |
| 06:11.50 | CaT[t2] | eeek! nano! well that's one problem? :) the other is that deb lines need at least 3 args. |
| 06:12.49 | fantasticulous | i need to mention that my error is during apt-get operations |
| 06:12.55 | fantasticulous | so apt-get exits with an error |
| 06:13.20 | yabanize | now malformed line 13 |
| 06:13.27 | yabanize | whoops sorry wrong chat |
| 06:15.47 | fantasticulous | looks like update-grub fails |
| 06:18.10 | mattgirv | yabanize: Yeah you really don't want to be going down that route, very messy |
| 06:20.34 | fantasticulous | any idea? it looks like grub-probe needs arguments but the script isn't passing them to it |
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| 06:22.39 | mattgirv | fantasticulous: Can you pastebin your apt-get output? |
| 06:22.54 | fantasticulous | i'm actually debugging the script calling grub-probe right now |
| 06:23.07 | fantasticulous | it's /usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig |
| 06:23.07 | mattgirv | okay, you may want to check your menu files. |
| 06:23.13 | fantasticulous | menu files?? |
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| 06:23.40 | mattgirv | Are you running grub-legacy, or grub2? |
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| 06:25.42 | mattgirv | Anyway, malformed menu scripts will stop it generating a cfg. If you're running grub2, check out the contents of /etc/grub.d/ |
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| 06:26.15 | fantasticulous | yes i had modified 05_debian_theme and when i upgraded i kept the old file |
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| 06:26.27 | fantasticulous | i just disabled boot image for now (didn't work anyway >_>) |
| 06:28.21 | fantasticulous | ty |
| 06:28.47 | rozie | fantasticulous: grub-mkconfig (backup existing config first) |
| 06:28.57 | rozie | it should generate working config |
| 06:29.10 | fantasticulous | i just ran apt-get -f install and it worked fine |
| 06:29.24 | fantasticulous | i think it runs all those -- grub-mkconfig, update-grub, *-grub-* :P |
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| 06:48.59 | passwordoff | Is anyone here using testing distribution? |
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| 06:49.26 | mattgirv | Squeeze? Yes. |
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| 06:58.05 | jpinx-eeepc | sound has died after a lot of messing with my network settings, alsamixer is all up full, speakers on, etc, system beep works. What else do i check? |
| 06:59.04 | mattgirv | jpinx-eeepc: Check your asound devices? |
| 06:59.16 | jelly-home | !list alsa users |
| 06:59.17 | dpkg | To see what processes are using (and perhaps blocking) your sound device: ps `lsof +D /dev -F rt | awk '/^p/ {pid=$1} /^t/ {type=$1} /^r0x74..$/ && type == "tCHR" {print pid} /^r0xe..$/ && type == "tCHR" {print pid}' | cut -c 2- | uniq`. Alternatively, fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp /dev/mixer |
| 07:00.50 | simonrvn | wtf kind of lsof command is that? |
| 07:01.02 | mattgirv | a mental one |
| 07:01.08 | jelly-home | a needless one |
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| 07:06.54 | jelly-home | but noone wants to refactor the factoid and leave just the fuser one |
| 07:07.25 | simonrvn | no, because it's interesting to see ;p |
| 07:07.38 | MichaelBurns | whats a good audit tool for debian? To watch who deletes files in certain directories, etc? |
| 07:07.52 | MichaelBurns | I was reading about auditd, but are there good alternatives? |
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| 07:13.24 | jpinx-eeepc | jelly-home: thanks for the ugliset command in history, but it spits out so many options it's not much help ;) |
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| 07:13.57 | Demosthenes | so squeeze has been DOA so far, i may restore back to lenny |
| 07:14.26 | mattgirv | ? |
| 07:14.54 | Demosthenes | well, the upgrade went ok, but because fglrx dropped support for my vidcard and i can't get radeon to work properly, i'm screwed |
| 07:15.00 | Dewi | Demosthenes: that's not supported |
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| 07:15.14 | Dewi | Demosthenes: was it a full system upgrade? |
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| 07:15.32 | Demosthenes | Dewi: yeah, the upgrade itself went fine. this is strictly a driver issue |
| 07:15.40 | Demosthenes | not looking for support as much to chat about the problem ;] |
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| 07:16.10 | mattgirv | Demosthenes: Yep, fglrx is very flakey. You may well get the older version working but odds are that it doesn't support your current version of Xorg/Kernel. |
| 07:16.37 | mattgirv | And when you say, get radeon working properly, I presume you mean with 3D acceleration? |
| 07:16.43 | Demosthenes | mattgirv: i ran fglrx the lifetime of the laptop to date (4 years?) with no problems. radeon on the other hand, keeps foobarring me. |
| 07:16.46 | Demosthenes | no, i don't want 3d |
| 07:16.59 | Demosthenes | i'm on a laptop with multiple outputs... and a builtin card so no option to swap |
| 07:17.20 | Demosthenes | i keep getting artifacts on the screen, LCd blooming, crashes. etc. |
| 07:17.44 | Demosthenes | i'm on what was a top of the line thinkpad t43, and now its a text paperweight :P |
| 07:17.47 | mattgirv | Have you removed your old xorg.conf/fglrx based stuff? |
| 07:17.59 | mattgirv | brb coffee |
| 07:18.21 | Demosthenes | yep. whole new xorg.conf, tried vesa and radeon. vesa doesn't support the external plugs, and radeon's got issues. |
| 07:19.17 | Demosthenes | i realize its not really debian's issue here, amd/ati decided to remove all support for older cards in their latest drivers. |
| 07:19.39 | Demosthenes | but from my reading i can't compile the older lenny drivers against the squeeze X / kernel anyway due to api changes. |
| 07:19.56 | Demosthenes | leaving me with a misbehaving open source driver. |
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| 07:20.22 | Dewi | Demosthenes: oh. that sucks... dunno what you can really do other than forward-port the old driver :P |
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| 07:21.14 | Dewi | Demosthenes: if the API changes are only in debian rather than upstream, you might be able to apply debian's patches to the older upstream sources |
| 07:21.35 | Demosthenes | my reading indicated it was major api changes to Xorg drivers... and the kernel |
| 07:21.43 | Demosthenes | like i know KMS is all new |
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| 07:22.22 | mattgirv | Demosthenes: Heh it is in terms of ATI adopting it |
| 07:22.53 | Demosthenes | my current issue is a weird on |
| 07:22.56 | mattgirv | What card is it out of curiosity? |
| 07:23.10 | Demosthenes | oh, its a thinkpad t43 with a ati mobility radeon m22 (x300) |
| 07:25.24 | Cisien | out of curiosity, how are disk nodes named in debian after you go past z (27 disk in the system) ? |
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| 07:25.24 | Demosthenes | Cisien: use /dev/disk/by-id ;] |
| 07:25.24 | Cisien | :) |
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| 07:25.24 | Cisien | I'm not even close to that point (sdj) |
| 07:25.25 | Demosthenes | i won't be buying a new laptop til early next year, so i either make this work, or i restore back to lenny |
| 07:25.25 | mattgirv | Demosthenes: Anything in your xorg logs? |
| 07:25.41 | Demosthenes | nothing significant |
| 07:26.24 | Demosthenes | the lines i see... look like they are LCD related, but i don't see them in any modes except graphics. and they move between boots... odd really. |
| 07:26.36 | jelly-home | jpinx-eeepc: there are two commands there, use the shorter fuser one. |
| 07:26.46 | Demosthenes | the suspend issues i fixed, that also reduced the bloom problems |
| 07:26.50 | jpinx-eeepc | it produced nothing but errors |
| 07:26.55 | mattgirv | Hm, as far as the artificating goes... outside of it being an overheating problem, it sounds more like a problem with your frequency ranges for your monitor. |
| 07:27.14 | mattgirv | er* artifacting |
| 07:27.17 | Demosthenes | mattgirv: i'd agree, except that i left in the modeline :P |
| 07:27.41 | Demosthenes | in this case, i'm seeing a random set of horizontal lines, that don't move, and add about 10% brightness to what is underneath |
| 07:27.48 | mattgirv | And vesa is broken too? :O |
| 07:27.53 | Demosthenes | there's say 25-40 lines |
| 07:28.04 | Demosthenes | vesa doesn't support multiple outputs (ie: docking station) |
| 07:28.12 | jpinx-eeepc | jelly-home: Cannot stat /dev/dsp: No such file or directory |
| 07:28.13 | jpinx-eeepc | Cannot stat /dev/mixer: No such file or directory |
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| 07:28.48 | mattgirv | jpinx-eeepc: cat /proc/asound/devices |
| 07:28.57 | Demosthenes | i'm restoring an old X log to compare |
| 07:29.10 | mattgirv | jpinx-eeepc: is your card detected/prioritised correctly? |
| 07:29.57 | jelly-home | jpinx-eeepc: if that's all it says, and you ran it as root, no process is using alsa or oss devices |
| 07:30.31 | jpinx-eeepc | mattgirv: http://paste.debian.net/89041/ |
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| 07:30.47 | jpinx-eeepc | jelly-home: yep - all run as root |
| 07:31.09 | Demosthenes | hrm, i had no dri with fglrx in lenny |
| 07:31.22 | mattgirv | jpinx-eeepc: It doesn't 'appear' to have any modules loaded for whatever sound card it is that you're using |
| 07:31.57 | mattgirv | jpinx-eeepc: Woops |
| 07:32.01 | jpinx-eeepc | mattgirv: standard lenny in a eeepc, worked fine till I was messing with the network settings |
| 07:32.12 | mattgirv | jpinx-eeepc: Also cat /proc/asound/cards and /proc/asound/modules |
| 07:32.24 | mattgirv | jpinx-eeepc: Heh sorry, thought i'd put them there too |
| 07:32.37 | Demosthenes | and fglrx provided 2d accel w/o dri. |
| 07:34.06 | jpinx-eeepc | http://paste.debian.net/89042/ |
| 07:34.17 | jpinx-eeepc | mattgirv: ^^ |
| 07:34.26 | mattgirv | hehe |
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| 07:34.58 | mattgirv | ok, well your card is an onboard intel chipset then? or do you also have a pci card? |
| 07:35.19 | jpinx-eeepc | mattgirv: eeepc - only what it says there |
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| 07:40.04 | mattgirv | jpinx-eeepc: Do you have any additional .asoundrc/asound.conf files? |
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| 07:42.32 | jpinx-eeepc | mattgirv: somewhere in amongst the messing my user was removed from audio group (amonst others). I've added it back and will try again after next login |
| 07:42.56 | mattgirv | Ah okay, |
| 07:43.00 | jpinx-eeepc | mattgirv: unless you know of a way to get my groups acknowledged without a logout login |
| 07:43.29 | jpinx-eeepc | which is a real pita when have so much work open here |
| 07:43.38 | mattgirv | jpinx-eeepc: Spawning a new shell, you may be able to test with aplay |
| 07:45.17 | jpinx-eeepc | mattgirv: Hmm - not sure about that - opening a new xterm didn't work |
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| 07:45.34 | mattgirv | jpinx-eeepc: Or login in another virtual console? |
| 07:47.01 | jpinx-eeepc | I tried Ctrl-AltF2 and aply a .mp3, and got sound, but not the .mo3 - just garbage |
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| 07:47.53 | Demosthenes | hrm, lesse if that helps. turned back on KMS |
| 07:49.11 | mattgirv | jpinx-eeepc: Odd, you may want to fiddle with the bitrate/channel you are sending the audio to |
| 07:49.25 | mattgirv | Not sure really as I don't know too much about mo3 files. |
| 07:49.45 | mattgirv | Other than they are a MOD/MP3 type hybrid |
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| 07:50.01 | jpinx-eeepc | mattgirv: thanks mate- I'll wait for the logout/login -- it's only to listen to music while i work ;) |
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| 07:59.33 | pif | hi, why would my system keep reinstalling a dummy package I purged? |
| 07:59.40 | pif | like diff and mktemp? |
| 07:59.55 | pif | they are re-installed when dist-upgrading |
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| 08:01.51 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 08:02.02 | gypsymauro | how can I install flash plugin on debian squeeze? |
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| 08:03.59 | _saw | hello, what is wrong with this: find . -name "*.*~" -exec ls {} |
| 08:04.05 | _saw | I get this error: find: missing argument to `-exec' |
| 08:04.21 | Dewi | _saw: execs have to be terminated, with \; I think |
| 08:04.21 | mjmt | _saw: \; |
| 08:04.52 | _saw | thanks |
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| 08:08.31 | peterrooney | pif: perhaps they are new dependencies? aptitude why <packagename> may help you |
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| 08:10.30 | pif | checks |
| 08:12.00 | pif | "Unable to find a reason to install diff" |
| 08:12.14 | passwordoff | during the apt-get upgrade from stable to testing I've get: "Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 08:12.15 | passwordoff | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:12.15 | passwordoff | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)". The upgrade stops here and don't go further. |
| 08:12.36 | pif | wrong kernel |
| 08:12.40 | passwordoff | sorry for break strings :) |
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| 08:12.51 | pif | passwordoff: recent udev need a recent kernel |
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| 08:14.21 | passwordoff | "apt-get install linux-image-2.6.32-5-686" - is a correct solving? |
| 08:14.36 | pif | should be |
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| 08:15.03 | Dweezahr | running debian live, /live/image is ro, can i make this rw? |
| 08:15.09 | pif | but first reboot with that kernel, then upgrade |
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| 08:16.01 | passwordoff | pif: Is here any other way to choose a version of the kernel? |
| 08:16.26 | pif | no |
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| 08:21.56 | passwordoff | pif: I've get the trap. Install linux couldn't be done it wants install -f, but this one return error with dpkg |
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| 08:23.13 | pif | *parse error* |
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| 08:23.31 | passwordoff | Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/udev_160-1_i386.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 08:24.18 | passwordoff | after install linux-image, I get: E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). |
| 08:24.32 | pif | well do that |
| 08:24.42 | xiangfu | Hi there are 31 iso files for debian? I need downloads them all??: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.6/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 08:25.05 | passwordoff | After install -f I get the first error message, I've typed. |
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| 08:27.12 | xiangfu | ok. I need the first one :) http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#which-cd |
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| 08:28.15 | passwordoff | any solving? |
| 08:29.10 | D4rKr0W | hello #debian, how would you guys proceed in case you get a broken or not fully installed package? |
| 08:29.29 | passwordoff | D4rKr0W: reinstall it |
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| 08:30.09 | D4rKr0W | apt-get remove tries to uninstall also the dependencies with it |
| 08:30.28 | D4rKr0W | is there any way you know to mark only that package for deletion? |
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| 08:31.14 | D4rKr0W | actually nevermind, it was just marking them as no longer required |
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| 08:32.24 | D4rKr0W | damn dbconfig-common -_- |
| 08:32.57 | D4rKr0W | whenever i select "no" the install procedure fails |
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| 08:34.20 | passwordoff | fuck |
| 08:34.45 | ironmunk | quick question, If I remove an additional IP from my interfaces files, e.g. eth0:4 does it matter if I have eth0:3 and eth0:5 without the 4 anymore ? |
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| 08:35.02 | D4rKr0W | passwordoff: idd |
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| 08:37.17 | passwordoff | how to exit this stupid situation? |
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| 08:39.21 | peterrooney | passwordoff: I've had great success with apt-get -f install |
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| 08:40.20 | passwordoff | peterrooney: Ok I will repeat my problem: |
| 08:40.35 | peterrooney | passwordoff: discoverd (and last used) when i was upgrading from woody to etch |
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| 08:43.04 | passwordoff | sudo apt-get upgrade -f gives me error with udev. It means I should install linux kernel. Then I've hit install sudo apt-get install linux-image... And it gives me : E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). |
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| 08:44.01 | passwordoff | apt-get install -f gives the same error with udev |
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| 08:45.22 | cantido | passwordoff: could you paste the output, especially the packages it thinks you need |
| 08:45.24 | peterrooney | hrmm, my frist bet would be trying "dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/udev_160-1_i386.deb" |
| 08:47.06 | passwordoff | peterrooney: Are you sure? The advice in output is: AT YOUR OWN RISK, you can force the installation of this version of udev WHICH DOES NOT WORK WITH YOUR RUNNING KERNEL AND WILL BREAK YOUR SYSTEM AT THE NEXT REBOOT by creating the /etc/udev/kernel-upgrade file. |
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| 08:47.43 | mattgirv | passwordoff: Has the kernel also been updated though? |
| 08:48.35 | cantido | passwordoff: what unmet dependencies does the linux image have? |
| 08:48.58 | passwordoff | The following packages have unmet dependencies: consolekit : Recommends: libpam-ck-connector but it is not going to be installed Breaks: udev (< 147) but 0.125-7+lenny3 is to be installed |
| 08:49.25 | cantido | passwordoff: first use aptitude, and install both the newer kernel image and udev at the same time |
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| 08:50.57 | passwordoff | cantido: aptitude - command not found. |
| 08:51.18 | cantido | passwordoff: are you running lenny? |
| 08:51.37 | passwordoff | yes. Aptitude was working nice before I start the upgrading |
| 08:52.11 | cantido | passwordoff: Something failed during the upgrade? Are you upgrading to squeeze? |
| 08:52.24 | passwordoff | Yes |
| 08:53.03 | passwordoff | Failed with udev, you have already seen. |
| 08:54.06 | cantido | ok, got the picture now.. linux-image whats a new udev and linux-image wants a new udev |
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| 08:57.17 | peterrooney | passwordoff: you may have to install aptitude manually, i.e. download and install with dpkg (aptitude is much better at resolving dependency issues) |
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| 08:57.58 | cantido | he could force the udev upgrade, then do the kernel upgrade and fix it with an install disc if it doesn't boot anymore |
| 08:58.03 | peterrooney | but aptitude not found, leads me to wonder - is it still there, but your path is borken? |
| 08:58.57 | peterrooney | or is /usr/bin/aptitude even there ? |
| 09:00.31 | liable | how is aptitude going to fix a broken package? |
| 09:00.31 | liable | its the install script thats failing |
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| 09:01.03 | passwordoff | peterrooney: no |
| 09:01.07 | cantido | peterrooney: it might have got removed because of broken deps |
| 09:01.58 | cantido | passwordoff: boot up with the squeeze d-i disc and use the rescue system |
| 09:02.17 | cantido | passwordoff: the newer kernel there should allow you to install udev and then update your kernel |
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| 09:04.01 | peterrooney | passwordoff: good fortune for your task. It's my bedtime. |
| 09:04.26 | passwordoff | peterrooney: thanks |
| 09:05.21 | passwordoff | cantido: So the solution with manual installation of aptitude willnot work? |
| 09:06.02 | cantido | passwordoff: well, it's not a problem aptitude or apt-get can resolve I think.. as liable said, it's failing in the udev install script |
| 09:07.20 | cantido | passwordoff: the d-i disc will have a kernel that the new version of udev can work with, so you will be able to update udev and then the deps for the new kernel will be met and you'll be able to upgrade that too |
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| 09:10.14 | liable | you can try putting set -x in the script to see where its failing |
| 09:10.29 | liable | is this a major version upgrade or something? |
| 09:10.41 | passwordoff | liable: What? |
| 09:10.43 | cantido | liable: it's exiting when it checks the running kernel version. he's doing lenny -> squeeze. |
| 09:10.57 | liable | right |
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| 09:11.35 | liable | yeah, chrooting from the install cd should fix that |
| 09:11.38 | passwordoff | cantido: What means d-i? |
| 09:11.42 | liable | thats odd this is happening though |
| 09:11.48 | cantido | passwordoff: debian installer; the install disk |
| 09:11.53 | cantido | or disc |
| 09:11.55 | liable | i imagine there will be a fix or workaround in the release notes |
| 09:12.25 | liable | like or you could try forcing the kerel install |
| 09:12.53 | cantido | liable: it's checking the running version |
| 09:13.05 | cantido | liable: and the new kernel maybe not boot with the older udev |
| 09:13.30 | liable | stick an exit 0 in the udev script :P |
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| 09:16.31 | passwordoff | cantido: Firstly, I should install a new kernel from d-i, isn't it? |
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| 09:17.39 | minh | Hi everybody! How can I make Iceweasel open new tabs next to the current tab (not at the far right)? |
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| 09:18.18 | waka | minh: I think newer versions of iceweasel do that if I am not mistaken |
| 09:18.31 | cantido | passwordoff: boot up the disc, select the rescue option, select your rootfs, upgrade udev and then the kernel |
| 09:18.49 | minh | waka: is that behaviour not configurable? |
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| 09:19.16 | cantido | passwordoff: the kernel running from the disc should be the same version or close to the one that is in squeeze now.. so udev shouldn't complain about the running kernel |
| 09:19.19 | minh | waka: I'm on iceweasel 3.5.10 |
| 09:19.49 | waka | minh: I would assume it is but I haven'tt had a look at it actually |
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| 09:20.47 | waka | minh: is that the newest? |
| 09:21.01 | djura-san | moin \o_ |
| 09:21.03 | minh | waka: I actually don't know :-/ |
| 09:21.15 | waka | minh: let me check mine |
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| 09:23.11 | minh | waka: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1956/ seems to be a good workaround :-) |
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| 09:28.14 | Innocentus | hi |
| 09:28.25 | Innocentus | I am looking for a package with which I can do simple server monitoring |
| 09:28.37 | Innocentus | I want to check whether the server is online or not and something logwatch like |
| 09:28.41 | _KaszpiR_ | munin |
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| 09:28.55 | Innocentus | Because my dev system is a win7x64 I would like to have a windows client |
| 09:28.57 | nevyn | munin. |
| 09:29.01 | cast | munin is quite nice |
| 09:29.01 | Innocentus | I want to remotely check the status |
| 09:29.06 | nevyn | Innocentus: web client |
| 09:29.09 | Innocentus | hmm |
| 09:29.10 | _KaszpiR_ | with snmp |
| 09:29.12 | Innocentus | no desktop app? |
| 09:29.26 | Innocentus | My provider has already installed zabbix onto my vserver |
| 09:29.29 | Innocentus | is it good? |
| 09:29.29 | nevyn | why do you want a fat monitoring application? |
| 09:29.32 | Innocentus | how can I use it on windows? |
| 09:29.40 | _KaszpiR_ | well, zabbix is good |
| 09:29.45 | waka | I have the 3.5.11 version and iceweasel does not behave like I thought it did sorry |
| 09:29.46 | _KaszpiR_ | but its rather for enterprise level |
| 09:29.48 | Innocentus | but how to connect from windows? |
| 09:29.53 | Innocentus | doesn't matter |
| 09:29.54 | cast | xymon is also pretty good, but if it's one server would be a bit of overkill |
| 09:29.57 | Innocentus | it is an enterprise website :) |
| 09:30.15 | _KaszpiR_ | munin will be sufficient |
| 09:30.20 | waka | minh |
| 09:30.24 | nevyn | Innocentus: when they installed zabbix did they create a portal for you to view the monitoring data? |
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| 09:30.27 | minh | waka: yeah? |
| 09:30.28 | Innocentus | but how to connect from a windows pc |
| 09:30.32 | _KaszpiR_ | i ment zabbix as enterprise level where you got like... 100 machines |
| 09:30.35 | Innocentus | nevyn: no |
| 09:30.38 | Innocentus | I don't think so |
| 09:30.39 | minh | waka: damn |
| 09:30.45 | waka | yeah hopefully future versions have that |
| 09:30.47 | _KaszpiR_ | from windows hm |
| 09:30.57 | nevyn | Innocentus: here's the thing. |
| 09:30.57 | _KaszpiR_ | maybe there are some widgets |
| 09:31.01 | waka | minh: are you on squeeze? |
| 09:31.21 | nevyn | if a developer installed a secondary monitoring system on a server I was providing as a managed service |
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| 09:31.59 | nevyn | I'd be annoyed |
| 09:32.00 | minh | waka: "kind of"...a mixture of testing/backports...but I'm on squeeze on my other machine...it makes no difference to this problem |
| 09:32.02 | Innocentus | so it could be that the provider is using that by himself? |
| 09:32.18 | nevyn | Innocentus: yes. |
| 09:32.19 | _KaszpiR_ | yea |
| 09:32.22 | Innocentus | ok |
| 09:32.26 | _KaszpiR_ | ask them for access |
| 09:32.26 | Innocentus | then I shouldn't uninstall it |
| 09:32.35 | waka | minh: it's not really a problem as such because we can not get the newest of firefox |
| 09:32.38 | nevyn | Innocentus: that'd result in a stabbing. |
| 09:32.40 | nevyn | yeah. |
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| 09:32.53 | Innocentus | good to know |
| 09:33.08 | waka | minh: but do let me know if you succeed doing it yourself somehow |
| 09:33.14 | Innocentus | the thing is that I want to have a windows 7 widget where is a display "website www.... online" or not |
| 09:33.35 | Innocentus | and more better: apache2-server online or not; smtp-server online or not; ftp-; pop3 and so on |
| 09:33.38 | ttiicc | sorry this is maybe an dumb question but when do you think w'll see a debian release with gnome3? |
| 09:33.39 | Innocentus | as a single smart overview |
| 09:34.17 | Innocentus | and the best thing would be to see whether there werte wrong logins used and such things |
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| 09:34.26 | Innocentus | is there such a server- and client-system available? |
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| 09:34.29 | ttiicc | stable debian release ofcourse! |
| 09:35.04 | jelly | ttiicc: 2012? |
| 09:36.17 | Innocentus | 2012 is a good date :) |
| 09:36.46 | Innocentus | nevyn: do you know such a widget/server-side system? |
| 09:37.00 | ttiicc | ok that's far in the future :) |
| 09:37.30 | ttiicc | so it'll be with debian 7 stable release! |
| 09:38.13 | ttiicc | heard that packages has been frozen for debian 6 |
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| 09:39.20 | minh | waka: alright - this addon works for me: https://addons.mozilla.org/de/firefox/addon/1480/ |
| 09:39.33 | minh | waka: it just behaves the way I want it to |
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| 09:52.46 | Garp | Hi. |
| 09:52.48 | jelly | ttiicc: yes, it's in the topic |
| 09:52.56 | Garp | I have a debian related question but dont know where to ask. It' an algorithmic questions. Where is the most appropriated place? Thanks. Question in short: A group of people wants to go to different rooms (eg Room A, B C and D). Each room can contain up to some number of people (eg A 5 person to the max, B 3, etc.). As some room are more likely to be chosen and as the place is limited, one ask to each person to fill a form with an order |
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| 09:53.26 | l0st-soul | wat |
| 09:54.20 | cantido | does the D room have plently of Debian in it? |
| 09:55.48 | nsadmin | Garp: sounds pretty general; it seems a question on like a test or from a textbook |
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| 10:01.02 | Garp | nsadmin: Which textbook ? |
| 10:01.25 | nsadmin | dunno... which one are you reading? |
| 10:01.38 | Garp | nsadmin : If I could find refernece to such a problem, I could first know how it's named in the litterature, and that would helmp |
| 10:01.44 | Garp | nsadmin: none yet |
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| 10:02.57 | Garp | "fair assignment multiple preference query" <- seems a good start |
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| 10:03.38 | Garp | nsadmin: so, do you have any idea? |
| 10:03.52 | cast | [ 4750.127146] RPC: multiple fragments per record not supported |
| 10:03.57 | cast | eh, fuck. |
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| 10:07.12 | homie | pokerface imam... |
| 10:07.15 | homie | lol |
| 10:07.38 | cast | so i have a stack of those errors happening on my NFS server, and a client that's hanging |
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| 10:26.09 | cusement | Hey! No debian-devel channel anymore? How come? |
| 10:27.25 | tdn | I have a web server at my home network behind NAT. When I download something from the webserver from inside the local network, I cannot download more than my internet upstream. So it seems that traffic is routed out of my local network, to my ISP and back again. How do I fix this? I assume this happens, because domain names resolve to my server's public IP instead of the local IP. But shouldn't there be some way to configure NAT to handle this? |
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| 10:29.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | cusement, oftc |
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| 10:32.09 | cusement | Is there a way to hack apt that it wont whine about unment dependencies? Sometimes I have to force install development packages with "dpkg -i --force-all" and after that apt-get wont install anything anymore and it seems there is no force parameter to circumvent that in apt. |
| 10:32.53 | cusement | i see many other developers also are facing these situations sometimes |
| 10:33.20 | cast | why don't you fix the packages |
| 10:33.23 | cusement | :) |
| 10:33.25 | cusement | i knew it |
| 10:33.30 | cusement | because it would take HOURS |
| 10:33.42 | cusement | and i just need some header files |
| 10:33.46 | cast | to comment out the required dependency lines? |
| 10:33.55 | cusement | yes and recompile everything |
| 10:33.59 | cusement | becuase its not one package |
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| 10:34.01 | cusement | its dozent packages |
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| 10:34.23 | cusement | trust me, sometimes you have to do that, to save a lot of time |
| 10:34.30 | cast | idea two: why don't youinstall the dependencies |
| 10:34.36 | cusement | cmon |
| 10:34.42 | spacepluk | maybe dpkg? |
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| 10:35.10 | cusement | yes, i manually install everything each time |
| 10:35.14 | spacepluk | and some script to take the dependencies list |
| 10:35.15 | cusement | good suggestion |
| 10:35.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | cusement, there is not... you can either unpack/repack the packages or make dummy packages that let you fulfill the dependencies |
| 10:35.21 | cusement | ;) |
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| 10:35.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's what apt is _for_ for preventing breakage like you suggest... |
| 10:36.00 | cusement | thats why there are force flags |
| 10:36.02 | cusement | to save time |
| 10:36.06 | cusement | when you have to hack |
| 10:36.26 | cusement | dpkg has it, i wonder why apt doesnt |
| 10:36.26 | dpkg | cusement: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 10:36.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, there's no ls --do-not-display-anything either |
| 10:37.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | because the main purpose of apt is to keep dependencies consistent... there is no --force option to remove the main purpose |
| 10:37.29 | cusement | CutMeOwnThroat: are you serious? |
| 10:37.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | or so at least I think the reasoning behind this goes |
| 10:37.46 | spacepluk | that makes sense, but it would be nice for hacking :P |
| 10:37.56 | cusement | CutMeOwnThroat: im not talking about end user scenario, i have to work on upstream updates |
| 10:38.31 | cusement | CutMeOwnThroat: when you develop something you have to do nasty things |
| 10:38.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | cuts his own throat |
| 10:38.51 | cusement | CutMeOwnThroat: otherwise development time increases exponentatially |
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| 10:40.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | should be simple enough to write a script that unpacks all your packages, removes all dependencies and repacks it... |
| 10:41.01 | cusement | CutMeOwnThroat: the purpose of apt is not just to keep the system sane, it also helps you to install all dependencies of one certain package you want to install. so now when i try to install a package totally unrelated to my force-installed packages, it whines about my hacked packages. thats not logical |
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| 10:41.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course, that also means you install everything manually, because you lose all dependencies |
| 10:41.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | cusement, but you say you don't want that... you want to ignore dependencies. Apt is there to fulfill dependencies... |
| 10:41.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | see the paradox of what you want? |
| 10:42.12 | spacepluk | CutMeOwnThroat: I think you don't get the point |
| 10:42.23 | cast | how would apt know what dependencies to ignore and what not to |
| 10:42.46 | cusement | cast: easy, it builds a dependency tree of the requested action |
| 10:43.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | you could write a wishlist bug for that on apt |
| 10:43.33 | cusement | cast: and when i do apt-get install nano, then the dependency tree of nano is not related to my hacked packages, so it could simply ignore my broken packages |
| 10:44.07 | cusement | CutMeOwnThroat: people already reported this issue before |
| 10:44.25 | cusement | CutMeOwnThroat: its a know problem |
| 10:44.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | so what was the answer? |
| 10:44.46 | cusement | CutMeOwnThroat: that answer was that the request makes sense, but its not implemented yet |
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| 10:44.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, <CutMeOwnThroat> should be simple enough to write a script that unpacks all your packages, removes all dependencies and repacks it.. |
| 10:45.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | then you only have to wait... |
| 10:45.34 | cusement | yeah, good suggestions |
| 10:45.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, we told you apt doesn't do it |
| 10:45.49 | cusement | i just asked for workarounds |
| 10:45.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | we told you several ways how to work around it |
| 10:45.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | you didn't like them |
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| 10:46.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | *shrug* |
| 10:46.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's a 3rd one, put your broken paackages in a chroot |
| 10:47.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | pbuilder can do that automatically and perhaps then there is no need for them to be broken at all |
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| 10:53.39 | waka | thanks minh |
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| 10:55.34 | JohnB2 | has anyone had any experience getting syscp squirrelmail and courier all working toghether? |
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| 11:04.38 | cantido | JohnB2: last time I looked at syscp it was all very ropey |
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| 11:13.23 | pix| | exit |
| 11:15.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | quit |
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| 11:16.52 | pix| | :P |
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| 11:24.37 | Joelio | off topic: We're looking to complement clamav with an additional commercial scanner for exim. Any recommendations? |
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| 11:27.00 | volatile_rinc | hi all, does anyone know how to remove a package that throws an error during its deinstallation |
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| 11:27.49 | iceroot | volatile_rinc: depending on the error |
| 11:28.00 | ge0rge007 | hi.. i am having a ltl prob with any install/remove of any package.. i am getting this error "E: initramfs-tools: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" |
| 11:28.18 | ge0rge007 | with apt-get install, the errors are located @initramfs-tools & python |
| 11:28.30 | ge0rge007 | Linux desktop 2.6.30-2-686 #1 SMP Fri Dec 4 00:53:20 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 11:28.36 | ge0rge007 | Debian GNU/Linux squeeze/sid |
| 11:29.51 | volatile_rinc | iceroot, http://pastebin.ca/1937188 |
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| 11:30.03 | cantido | ge0rge007: have you not upgraded in a while? 2.6.32 has been in testing for ages.. |
| 11:30.49 | iceroot | volatile_rinc: permission denied is an interesting error for root |
| 11:31.30 | volatile_rinc | yup, one shiny day tftpd-hpa started to throw this error |
| 11:31.39 | volatile_rinc | and nothing could help it at all |
| 11:32.05 | volatile_rinc | so i decided to remove it but it didn't even want to |
| 11:32.13 | ge0rge007 | cantido, can i have vbox with the latest? |
| 11:32.18 | ge0rge007 | i think that not :/ |
| 11:32.51 | cantido | ge0rge007: virtualbox? |
| 11:32.58 | cantido | ge0rge007: it's running on 2.6.32 here |
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| 11:37.32 | Cim | hi |
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| 11:38.05 | Cim | I have simple question first I run aptitude upgrade or dist-upgrade? |
| 11:38.10 | abrotman | ge0rge007: you shuld really seriously update your kernel |
| 11:38.19 | abrotman | Cim: aptitude update |
| 11:39.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | volatile_rinc, says it all... /tftpboot: Permission denied |
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| 11:40.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | volatile_rinc, I think usually everyone has read-access to that and you do not |
| 11:40.28 | Cim | abrotman: thx |
| 11:40.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | and the removal script (possibly) fails, because it wants to shut down the service, but it is not running |
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| 11:41.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, actually, I've seen that on several packages... can one file bugs against packages whose removal fails because the service is not running |
| 11:42.28 | cantido | yeah, that is really annoying.. |
| 11:43.00 | nevyn | CutMeOwnThroat: yes. the removal should not fail because it's not running. |
| 11:43.14 | nevyn | the question is. is it RC because of policy... |
| 11:43.20 | cantido | nevyn: what if you never actually managed to get it to start? |
| 11:43.30 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: uh huh? |
| 11:44.00 | volatile_rinc | CutMeOwnThroat, yeah, the service fails to start so it's not running. /tftpboot has 777 permissions and user:user as owner |
| 11:44.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | mysql, I think used to do that? |
| 11:44.03 | abrotman | nevyn: lots of package removals fail if the daemon cannot be stopped |
| 11:44.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | but the daemon can never be stopped if it's not running |
| 11:44.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | so package removal fails because you stopped the daemon? |
| 11:44.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | sounds wrong to me |
| 11:44.59 | cantido | CutMeOwnThroat: it's because the init script exits with !0 I think.. |
| 11:45.02 | abrotman | well, the package may have some cleaup to do |
| 11:45.02 | volatile_rinc | no, it fails because it suddenly stopped to start :) |
| 11:45.06 | abrotman | cleanup |
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| 11:46.06 | volatile_rinc | is there an easy way to remove that package at last? |
| 11:46.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course the removal script should stop the daemons... but they shouldn't fail if they cannot be stopped (specially not when they can't be stopped because they were not running in the first place) |
| 11:46.33 | nevyn | abrotman: it should fail if it can't be stopped. |
| 11:46.39 | cantido | volatile_rinc: I think you could edit the init script to make it exit 0 and dpkg wouldn't complain any more |
| 11:46.43 | nevyn | abrotman: but it's shouldn't fail if it's not running. |
| 11:46.49 | nevyn | imho |
| 11:46.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | volatile_rinc, why would it fail to start with those permissions, telling you "permission denied"? |
| 11:46.51 | cantido | nevyn: it shouldn't fail it it's not running |
| 11:47.13 | volatile_rinc | CutMeOwnThroat, i don't have any idea about this, 'cause i tried quite everything |
| 11:47.22 | abrotman | nevyn: as i said, it may want to do cleanup from the app .. you can file a bug if you want against the policy |
| 11:47.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | volatile_rinc, only way to remove it is to stop the postrm script from failing... by fixing it... or in the worst case by prepending it with "exit 0" |
| 11:47.37 | abrotman | volatile_rinc: comment out the line where it tries to stop/start/whatever the daemon |
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| 11:48.01 | nevyn | abrotman: I can't find a policy reference for this situation at all (which isn't that supprising) |
| 11:48.17 | volatile_rinc | i know where the start/stop functions are located and will try to edit them |
| 11:48.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | volatile_rinc, with 777 you mean ls show rwrwrw? (just trying to get clear on that= |
| 11:48.32 | volatile_rinc | rwxrwxrwx |
| 11:48.35 | i5513 | hi, which package should I choose if I want to report a bug to /etc/network/interfaces , I was thinking about network-base or related, but I can't find any suitable |
| 11:49.47 | abrotman | nevyn: wait til stew pops up, he might know where something like that might be .. He's like the human Debian Policy index :) |
| 11:50.04 | nevyn | abrotman: :) |
| 11:50.49 | nevyn | abrotman: that was sortof my question I'd say failing to remove software that isn't running is a bug. the question is what priority bug is it. |
| 11:52.15 | cantido | I don't think I've ever seen a package that handles the daemon or whatever no running when it tries to stop it. :/ |
| 11:52.25 | cantido | s/no/not/ |
| 11:52.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | volatile_rinc, hmm, strange... could it be trying to execute it for some weird reason? I guess you could run "strace -f -F -e open /etc/init.d/tftpd-hpa start" to see what it tries to open and where it fails |
| 11:53.10 | volatile_rinc | (trying) |
| 11:53.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, I thought he's the human aptitude syntax generator already... are you saying he's multifunctional? |
| 11:53.46 | Led_Zeppelin | with syslog-ng is it possible to use any Log files? I would like to consilidate multiple logfiles into 1 log file. Is that possible? |
| 11:54.12 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: nah, that's themill i think ? |
| 11:54.14 | danielig | Hi, i have two servers and want to copy a very large file from one to the other. I can connect to them only through ssh and cannot wait for the process to finish. |
| 11:54.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | (and I hope the strace can follow through all the execs from the init script through) |
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| 11:54.28 | danielig | how can I detach scp from my ssh session? |
| 11:54.33 | volatile_rinc | CutMeOwnThroat, http://pastebin.ca/1937197 |
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| 11:54.43 | nevyn | Led_Zeppelin: if the logs are being directed via syslog then sure. if they're written directly by a daemon you'll need a fifo that redirects to syslog or something like that. |
| 11:55.08 | petemc | danielig: run it under screen and then use ctrl a d to detach |
| 11:55.10 | abrotman | themill: can i use aptitude to search for a diner in Poughkeepsie, NY ? :) |
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| 11:55.34 | nevyn | abrotman: that's what urbanspoon is for. |
| 11:55.40 | abrotman | it was a joke :( |
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| 11:55.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, yes... that's themill... now you suddenly say he's the human policy index! |
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| 11:56.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmh, can't follow |
| 11:57.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | volatile_rinc, what version of Debian is this? |
| 11:57.17 | i5513 | well, I think ifupdown could be the best candidate, but I'm viewing many bugs there, and I think this problem surely is reported in one of them |
| 11:57.33 | volatile_rinc | CutMeOwnThroat, it's ubuntu 9.04 :) |
| 11:57.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | thought so |
| 11:58.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's why the strace doesn't work... |
| 11:58.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | ask #ubuntu |
| 11:58.25 | volatile_rinc | they don't respond to this question at all |
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| 11:58.34 | abrotman | volatile_rinc: please install Debian |
| 11:58.37 | volatile_rinc | :)) |
| 11:58.41 | djszapi | http://pastie.org/1149941 -> How can I solve it and what is it ? |
| 11:58.57 | abrotman | volatile_rinc: your choices are to ask #ubuntu or ##linux, or install Debian. |
| 11:59.19 | abrotman | djszapi: is your / somehow read-only ? |
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| 12:00.35 | abrotman | judd: wb! |
| 12:00.41 | djszapi | abrotman: nop ?! |
| 12:00.48 | djszapi | since other packages can be installed ... |
| 12:00.54 | jelly | ,ping |
| 12:00.54 | judd | pong |
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| 12:01.09 | abrotman | judd: versions phonet-utils |
| 12:01.11 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'phonet-utils' was found. |
| 12:01.17 | abrotman | djszapi: where did you get this package? |
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| 12:02.04 | jelly | volatile_rinc: there's also a ##club-ubuntu channel for people that want to club ubuntu |
| 12:02.06 | i5513 | volatile_rinc: paste your question in any url again, I lost the start of the discussion |
| 12:02.18 | djszapi | abrotman: secret, not open |
| 12:02.26 | abrotman | uh what? |
| 12:02.48 | djszapi | ? |
| 12:03.06 | abrotman | wtf is "secret, not open" ? |
| 12:03.23 | l0st-soul | erm, i just had a failed drive in an array on a hp server, now my / is readonly and i cannot remount it rw |
| 12:03.36 | l0st-soul | is there anything i can do other than reboot ? |
| 12:03.37 | djszapi | abrotman: you are not making any sense |
| 12:03.43 | petemc | heh |
| 12:03.46 | djszapi | wtf does not help anything apart from pissing me off. |
| 12:03.46 | abrotman | i'm not the one that said it! |
| 12:03.48 | l0st-soul | tried to remount rw but it fails |
| 12:03.55 | volatile_rinc | i5513, the problem is to remove tftpd-hpa package, it neither stops nor starts so it's unable to remove |
| 12:03.58 | l0st-soul | darwin / # mount -o remount,rw / |
| 12:03.58 | l0st-soul | mount: block device /dev/cciss/c0d0p1 is write-protected, mounting read-only |
| 12:04.21 | Led_Zeppelin | nevyn, its done by another deamon. I am not too familar with FIFOS, can you help you help me with this? |
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| 12:05.35 | volatile_rinc | i5513, http://pastebin.ca/1937188 and http://pastebin.ca/1937197 |
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| 12:06.03 | abrotman | volatile_rinc: this is still not #ubuntu |
| 12:06.16 | abrotman | volatile_rinc: please use #ubuntu or ##linux, thank you |
| 12:06.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | djura-san, did you perhaps want #maemo? |
| 12:06.55 | volatile_rinc | abrotman :) how to find out where the pre-removal script is located in debian? |
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| 12:07.46 | abrotman | volatile_rinc: this channel is for Debian users, please use #ubuntu or ##linux, you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being offtopic |
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| 12:08.19 | i5513 | abrotman: could I help him in private ? |
| 12:08.30 | abrotman | you can help him in #ubuntu too ;) |
| 12:08.38 | abrotman | it's just offtopic in this channel |
| 12:08.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | volatile_rinc, /msg dpkg postrm |
| 12:08.47 | i5513 | sorry I don't want to go #ubuntu :) |
| 12:09.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | catch-22? |
| 12:09.12 | abrotman | i5513: your choice, you can msg him |
| 12:09.17 | i5513 | abrotman: is it prohibit to talk about a off topic in private ? |
| 12:09.29 | i5513 | abrotman: thanks, I'll do |
| 12:09.48 | abrotman | you can do whatever you want in msg |
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| 12:13.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | i5513, I think you decide what your private "topics" are and what not :) |
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| 12:18.33 | i5513 | CutMeOwnThroat: I didn't know the "silence" meaning here |
| 12:18.33 | i5513 | CutMeOwnThroat: Could be public silence or "total" silence |
| 12:18.35 | i5513 | CutMeOwnThroat: So I was asking about private possibility # I'm newbie in #debian |
| 12:18.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | rules and enforcements are per channel |
| 12:18.35 | pif | i5513: asking for help in private is bad form |
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| 12:18.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | pif, he offered to help in private... that's different :) |
| 12:18.35 | pif | that too |
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| 12:18.40 | i5513 | pif: Why ? If I didn't known the rules here ? |
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| 12:19.30 | i5513 | pif: sorry if this annoy you |
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| 12:20.33 | nevyn | rewarding people who ask for help in the wrong places could also be argued is bad form. |
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| 12:21.55 | l403 | Hello. I kinda have the same problem as here https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=588039 but without the Glib lines and on Squeeze while launching gthumb |
| 12:22.03 | jelly | Led_Zeppelin: what are you actually trying to do_ |
| 12:22.41 | Led_Zeppelin | jelly, I have 3 log files which are generated by a deamon. I would like to have them all forwarded 1 file so I can do a tail -f |
| 12:23.00 | jelly | Led_Zeppelin: which daemon. btw? |
| 12:23.02 | Led_Zeppelin | instead of me doing 3 tail -f in 3 seperate windows, I prefer to have all of the data to 1 file or pipe |
| 12:23.08 | Led_Zeppelin | jelly, its an application |
| 12:23.14 | jelly | Led_Zeppelin: which application? |
| 12:23.22 | l403 | they are errors regarding GTK |
| 12:23.22 | Led_Zeppelin | jelly, MRTG |
| 12:23.50 | Led_Zeppelin | jelly, err. MRG |
| 12:26.00 | jelly | isn't it java based? Does it use log4j? |
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| 12:26.29 | Led_Zeppelin | jelly, not java based. |
| 12:26.47 | Led_Zeppelin | i will play around with mkfifo to get this working... |
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| 12:27.36 | jelly | Led_Zeppelin: if tail -f really is all you care about, you ought to know that tail is already able to handle multiple files |
| 12:27.36 | bint | hi there |
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| 12:27.54 | jelly | tail -f log1 log2 log3 |
| 12:27.59 | davidroderick | so I want to restart sshd |
| 12:29.07 | cantido | davidroderick: /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 12:29.27 | dimir | :-D |
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| 12:29.45 | bint | i rented a debian dedicated and would like to host an eggdrop on it and maybe a proxy something like socks5... i need the OK from my isp and they asked me how i will guarantee the security of those services |
| 12:29.54 | davidroderick | cantido: thanks. |
| 12:30.17 | bint | so what are the best ways to guarantee security for an eggdrop and socks? |
| 12:30.32 | davidroderick | I am able to ssh to my Debian server. I have not uploaded my public key though. how is this? |
| 12:30.52 | bint | because u use passwd :)? |
| 12:31.00 | Led_Zeppelin | jelly, hmm |
| 12:31.07 | cantido | bint: why do you need a proxy? you can do that with ssh |
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| 12:31.19 | Led_Zeppelin | jelly, thats cool. How would I know from what file I am getting the data from? |
| 12:31.20 | cantido | bint: or at least hide the proxy behind ssh |
| 12:31.35 | bint | any proxy? |
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| 12:31.50 | cantido | davidroderick: you need to add the public key to ~/.ssh/authorized_keys |
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| 12:32.08 | jelly | Led_Zeppelin: try it and see. |
| 12:32.20 | cantido | bint: you can forward local ports over ssh to anywhere the other machine can access |
| 12:32.48 | bint | hmm ok |
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| 12:33.27 | davidroderick | cantido: but I don't need to, it is working withou |
| 12:33.37 | cantido | davidroderick: with password auth? |
| 12:33.59 | radekl | how to modify level of questions sent by dpkg while installing packages? |
| 12:33.59 | cantido | davidroderick: if the machine is on the internet you should disable password auth and root logins as soon as you can |
| 12:34.20 | Led_Zeppelin | jelly, it does not give the filename on the side, instead it gives it on the top making it tough to parse...but I will play around with this...thanks |
| 12:35.29 | davidroderick | cantido: okay what is password auth ? |
| 12:35.43 | bint | you dont need sshkey with passwd auth |
| 12:35.48 | bint | just the account passwd |
| 12:36.11 | cantido | davidroderick: you type in your password |
| 12:36.35 | cantido | davidroderick: instead of unlocking your key on your machine and using that to authenticate with the server |
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| 12:40.51 | jelly | Led_Zeppelin: (for i in log1 log2 log3; do tail -f $i|sed "s/^/$i:/" & done; wait) |
| 12:40.59 | davidroderick | cantido: so I should usermod -L user ; usermod -L root |
| 12:41.16 | cantido | davidroderick: no, you disable it in your /etc/ssh/sshd |
| 12:41.34 | cantido | davidroderick: /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 12:41.49 | cantido | I'm guessing you might still want passwords locally ;) |
| 12:43.01 | djura-san | CutMeOwnThroat: maemo for desktop or what? |
| 12:43.13 | cantido | davidroderick: make sure you can actually log in with your key first though |
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| 12:52.54 | pzn | which package can I use to get a ps file and make another ps with 2 pages per page? |
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| 12:55.40 | davidroderick | how do I view the keys random-art image? |
| 12:55.59 | cantido | with your eyes? |
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| 12:58.17 | crashanddie | Hey guys, I'm trying to find out which glib version my system runs. I'm using dpkg -l | grep libglib, and finding version 2.16. Is that possible/plausible? |
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| 13:00.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | djura-san, I mean the channel... the package you tried to install is not a Debian package |
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| 13:00.57 | djura-san | CutMeOwnThroat: what package? Are you sure that you are speaking to the right person? |
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| 13:10.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | djura-san, hehe... indeed, I was not :) |
| 13:10.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I guess he'll have figured it out by now anyway... or not |
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| 13:11.11 | djura-san | okay then :) |
| 13:13.57 | davidroderick | cantido: thanks got it working. I mean how do i generate a picture |
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| 13:14.33 | cantido | davidroderick: that little ascii art thing is generated when you create a key |
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| 13:18.38 | stew | nevyn: 9.3.2 says that init scripts must not fail with "stop" if the sevice is already stoped |
| 13:18.59 | stew | nevyn: if that is why the removal fails, that is RC |
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| 13:19.23 | stew | (becuase the 9.3.2 says "must" when describing how they behave with stop when service is already stopped) |
| 13:19.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | aha |
| 13:20.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | but for the postrm to fail if the service fails is ok, then? |
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| 13:21.38 | volatile_rinc | shouldn't a service have a forced stop that always succeeds? |
| 13:22.06 | davidroderick | cantido: yes |
| 13:22.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | what... if the service can't be killed, it should fail |
| 13:22.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I wonder if that should bother the removal script, even _if_ the service could not be killed |
| 13:22.57 | abrotman | volatile_rinc: ask #ubuntu |
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| 13:23.27 | volatile_rinc | oh my... why ubuntu? i'm not asking about ubuntu |
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| 13:25.44 | stew | volatile_rinc: what's the use of having that? if you don't care if the stop action really succeeds you can ignore the return value |
| 13:25.57 | cantido | CutMeOwnThroat: I think there are some differences in init scripts, I think some exit with an error if the daemon isn't running |
| 13:26.08 | davidroderick | volatile_rinc: kill -Kill pid |
| 13:26.10 | cantido | CutMeOwnThroat: where as other scripts like the ssh one don't seem to care |
| 13:26.22 | nevyn | stew: you are indeed a better google ;) |
| 13:26.27 | davidroderick | volatile_rinc: kill -TERM pid is less evil |
| 13:26.34 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: no, the point is that calling "stop" on an init script that is already stopped should do nothing and exit with success |
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| 13:26.57 | djszapi | dpkg: error processing phonet-utils (--configure): subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 10 |
| 13:26.57 | dpkg | djszapi: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 13:27.00 | djszapi | what is it ? |
| 13:27.06 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: if the init script fails on the stop action, the package removal should indeed fail |
| 13:27.11 | volatile_rinc | okay, i will experiment with these killing commands once i will have to kill something really cruel |
| 13:27.30 | djszapi | http://pastie.org/1150084 |
| 13:27.33 | dkr | djszapi: dpkg is a bot that you accidentally addressed |
| 13:27.51 | djszapi | any idea ? |
| 13:27.58 | stew | volatile_rinc: oh, you are talking about something different. I thought you were talking to me |
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| 13:28.19 | stew | volatile_rinc: you are are asking about removing tftp? |
| 13:28.32 | volatile_rinc | no, i removed it already thanks to i5513 |
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| 13:31.11 | dkr | djszapi: the line above what you pasted. "groupadd: cannot rewrite group file" looks like a good clue |
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| 13:31.40 | djszapi | what is that ? |
| 13:31.45 | djszapi | and how can I fix it ? |
| 13:32.11 | crowbar | Anyone know how to connect to a key-protected jabber room using Empathy? I'm also unable to fetch the room lits. |
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| 13:33.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | djszapi, I meant you... I think you want to ask #maemo about that |
| 13:33.17 | dkr | djszapi: maybe a permissions misconfig on the group file? or possibly a disk error. check dmesg for the latter |
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| 13:33.37 | djszapi | dkr: 777 |
| 13:33.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | djura-san, see, I meant him :) |
| 13:33.40 | djszapi | no disk error, ofc. |
| 13:33.45 | djszapi | I have already checked that |
| 13:33.57 | djszapi | CutMeOwnThroat: let me decide it |
| 13:34.06 | djszapi | thank yor for knowing better my system ... |
| 13:34.12 | djszapi | sighs |
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| 13:36.10 | djszapi | debian sucks ;) |
| 13:36.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | this is a problem of maemos package repos and the packages therein... so offtopic here |
| 13:36.39 | djszapi | no ... |
| 13:36.44 | djszapi | it happens packages apart from maemo ... |
| 13:36.50 | djszapi | man, try to think before writing |
| 13:37.01 | djszapi | just a bit in the first step |
| 13:37.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | have fun |
| 13:37.43 | dkr | djszapi: trolling and insulting people is not a wise way to seek free help. bye |
| 13:38.19 | djszapi | CutMeOwnThroat trolls me |
| 13:38.24 | djszapi | it is not a debian problem |
| 13:38.29 | djszapi | what kind of fucking channel is this |
| 13:38.33 | djszapi | if this is the reaction |
| 13:38.36 | djszapi | if I try to get help |
| 13:38.40 | mattgirv | djszapi: You are acting like a jerk |
| 13:38.45 | djszapi | in my debian distribution |
| 13:39.16 | dkr | !based on debian |
| 13:39.16 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 13:39.35 | djszapi | IT IS A DEBIAN PROBLEM !!! |
| 13:40.02 | djszapi | help or do not write. |
| 13:40.06 | djszapi | do not rub my time. |
| 13:40.34 | CaT[t2] | stop demanding people spend their time on you. you want to make demands, go pay someone who cares. |
| 13:40.41 | petemc | fondles djszapis time |
| 13:40.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | *sigh* but you're inside the chroot using maemo repos and their packages... spare us the frustration to slowly find out we can't help you and ask the people who can |
| 13:41.17 | djszapi | omg, foolish people .. |
| 13:41.26 | dkr | obnoxious people with a thick accent are amusing |
| 13:41.31 | CaT[t2] | *plonk* |
| 13:41.42 | jpinx | in a chroot, made a $user, want to run screen as that user (and then irssi, bitlbee, etc), but on trying to start screen I get "Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/1' - please check." /etc/mtab tells me /dev/pts is mounted. What have I missed? |
| 13:42.06 | CaT[t2] | jpinx: did you su to this user? |
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| 13:42.18 | jpinx | djszapi: spare me the scroll back - what are you really tying to do? |
| 13:42.23 | mattgirv | ;p |
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| 13:42.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | Did you mean: sue |
| 13:42.29 | jpinx | CaT[t2]: yes |
| 13:42.40 | jpinx | CutMeOwnThroat: that will come shortly |
| 13:42.42 | CaT[t2] | jpinx: your pty is still owned by the user you sued from |
| 13:42.55 | CaT[t2] | jpinx: change ownership of the pty or log in properly |
| 13:43.44 | jpinx | CaT[t2]: ok - what's the syntax to chroot as a user, not as root? |
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| 13:44.07 | CaT[t2] | jpinx: i'm not sure you mean chroot :) |
| 13:44.34 | jpinx | CaT[t2]: yes - it'sa chroot of squeeze within a remote system |
| 13:44.50 | CaT[t2] | jpinx: oooh. complexities. |
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| 13:45.07 | cantido | mmm where's the best place to make global additions to $PATH? |
| 13:45.09 | jpinx | CaT[t2]: hence my asking here |
| 13:45.12 | CaT[t2] | jpinx: i'd say chowning to the new userid is probably going to be your simplest bet |
| 13:45.42 | jpinx | CaT[t2]: can I not maake /dev/pts available to any user? |
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| 13:47.28 | CaT[t2] | jpinx: it is, but you're logged in as user a and so the pty (/dev/pts/1 in this case) is owned by user a. when you su to user b, it does not change the ownership of your allocated pty, which is still being used. as such you need to use chmod to change the owner of the pty before you su and then you get full control of it as user b and are thusly able to run screen on it |
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| 13:50.23 | jpinx | CaT[t2]: so it's something like (as root on login) chown username /dev/pts1, then su username ? |
| 13:51.00 | CaT[t2] | jpinx: is that not what you're doing now? |
| 13:51.40 | CaT[t2] | more or less |
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| 13:52.17 | jpinx | CaT[t2]: thanks - let's see.... |
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| 13:55.51 | jpinx | CaT[t2]: w00t - success :) |
| 13:55.57 | CaT[t2] | joy :) |
| 13:56.21 | jpinx | everything really is possible in debian :) |
| 13:56.45 | CaT[t2] | i can't wait till i can get it to do the dishes :) |
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| 14:02.56 | stew | cantido: perhaps /etc/profile |
| 14:05.40 | cantido | stew: that's what I thought, thanks |
| 14:11.09 | keith4 | anyone know how big the backports mirror is? I don't see it listed on the mirror size page |
| 14:14.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | CaT[t2], apt-cache show dome |
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| 14:14.58 | Hotzzenplotzz | hey, where can i find the program GET. i need these for a php based rss reader.. |
| 14:15.20 | CaT[t2] | cut: I'm sure that'll be useful at some point in my future |
| 14:15.33 | crashanddie | Hotzzenplotzz: it's installed by default |
| 14:15.48 | keith4 | CutMeOwnThroat: libwww-perl |
| 14:15.58 | keith4 | er, rather... Hotzzenplotzz: libwww-perl |
| 14:16.03 | Hotzzenplotzz | no crashanddie ;) |
| 14:16.09 | Hotzzenplotzz | ok, i will try keith4, thx |
| 14:16.13 | keith4 | has more coffee |
| 14:16.21 | crashanddie | Hotzzenplotzz: also, apt-file is handy in those cases |
| 14:16.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell Hotzzenplotzz -about apt-file |
| 14:17.02 | Hotzzenplotzz | ty guys |
| 14:17.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | though here filename is not enough... "apt-file search bin/GET" in that case |
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| 14:21.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | keith4, hmm, no, perhaps email to the address given there? http://backports.debian.org/Mirrors/ |
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| 14:22.58 | keith4 | CutMeOwnThroat: yah... I think I'm just going to mirror amd64 and see how big it is, then extrapolate from there. I mean... it can't be *that* big |
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| 14:23.27 | stew | keith4: you'd need all (and probably source) too |
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| 14:23.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | can't be more than 32GB for a single architecture :) |
| 14:23.47 | valdyn | !debstats |
| 14:23.47 | dpkg | debstats is managed by sussudio: http://debstats.dontexist.org/ (#debian freenode) and http://members.ziggo.nl/sussudio/debian-oftc.html (#debian OFTC) |
| 14:24.00 | stew | keith4: by all, i mean arch:all |
| 14:24.07 | stew | not all arches |
| 14:24.26 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 14:24.26 | dpkg | <kbrooks> i'm taking debian and making a distro out of it |
| 14:24.39 | keith4 | stew: well, yes. eventually i'll end up with i386, all, and source too. just don't want to grab 'em all at once, in case it ends up being like 100G |
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| 14:25.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | tarzeau, did he succeed? |
| 14:25.19 | stew | keith4: i just mean that many of the amd64 debs will depend on arch:all debs. and depending on what you are doing with this mirror, source might be a legal requirement |
| 14:25.23 | tarzeau | CutMeOwnThroat: ubuntu? |
| 14:25.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | tarzeau, was that a "no"? |
| 14:25.41 | keith4 | stew: indeed. good point |
| 14:25.45 | tarzeau | CutMeOwnThroat: whatever you want it to be |
| 14:25.46 | stew | he did, i can't remember what his distro was |
| 14:25.50 | davidroderick | so I apt-get nginx. the man pages says nothing. Where is the documentation about where to put my html and stuff? |
| 14:26.15 | stew | davidroderick: checked /usr/share/doc/nginx ? |
| 14:26.34 | keith4 | stew: aw, screw it. i'll just pull all, source, i386, and amd64. disk space is cheap ;-) |
| 14:26.48 | tarzeau | davidroderick: /var/www ? |
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| 14:34.43 | odla | hi i am trying to add a network printer and i wanted to use the system-config-printer program but it doesn't seem to have the option to add a network printer. how else can i do this? |
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| 14:43.55 | voipzapper | hey guys |
| 14:45.04 | voipzapper | not sure where else to ask, so i'll just ask here... but has the freenode server been having problems today or has anyone else been experiencing connection problems? |
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| 14:45.21 | hell_razer | how allow in gdm3 root login? |
| 14:45.59 | cantido | hell_razer: why would you want that |
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| 14:47.23 | abrotman | voipzapper: maybe you would ask #freenode ? |
| 14:48.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions gdm3 |
| 14:48.29 | judd | gdm3 -- squeeze: 2.30.2-4; sid: 2.30.5-1 |
| 14:48.44 | hell_razer | cantido: to create base gnome files, becouse when i run egdit from root it has a lot of errors |
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| 14:49.16 | cantido | hell_razer: why do you want to run gedit as root? |
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| 14:49.33 | cantido | hell_razer: sudo should be enough for that anyhow |
| 14:49.44 | hell_razer | cantido: sometimes it is usefull |
| 14:49.57 | hell_razer | i want 1 login as root => no errors |
| 14:50.14 | hell_razer | and whereis /boot/grub/menu.lst? |
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| 14:50.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | use a non-graphical editor -> no error |
| 14:50.37 | cantido | hell_razer: if you have grub2 you don't have that |
| 14:51.01 | hell_razer | cantido: by default squezzy install grub 2? |
| 14:51.05 | cantido | hell_razer: sudo will allow you to run X11 apps with root perms if you need it to edit config files |
| 14:51.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | weird... could swear this is because of the magic cookie... and also that I can start graphical programs as root since sarge or so without problems |
| 14:51.35 | hell_razer | installing nvidia drivirs kills my framebuffer i wanted to allov it in menu.lst |
| 14:51.41 | cantido | CutMeOwnThroat: with something like sux that copied the cookie over? |
| 14:51.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | !grub2 squeeze |
| 14:51.42 | dpkg | The squeeze installers install GRUB 2 on x86 (grub-pc) by default; see http://meetbot.debian.net/debian-boot/2009/debian-boot.2009-09-21-20.00.log.html for more, see also <grub2 config>. Don't want it? Boot in expert mode and don't elect to install GRUB 2, or install the grub-legacy package after installation. http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseGoals/GRUB2asDefault |
| 14:52.02 | hell_razer | cantido: when i need to type a lot from root it is so bad to type sudo always |
| 14:52.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | cantido, no... just like this - $HOME is preserved and so root accesses the same .Xauthority file (or something along those lines) |
| 14:52.13 | cantido | hell_razer: sudo -s |
| 14:52.41 | hell_razer | shmmm |
| 14:52.42 | cantido | CutMeOwnThroat: I can't remember that working.. but sounds about right |
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| 14:58.35 | voipzapper | abrotman: thx. |
| 14:59.15 | cantido | CutMeOwnThroat: looking at the vars here.. there is this XDG_SESSION_COOKIE= |
| 14:59.20 | cantido | CutMeOwnThroat: maybe that's it? |
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| 15:00.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't have that one |
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| 15:01.10 | cantido | I'm on unstable, maybe it's different to lenny |
| 15:02.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno... could be something I changed 5 years ago, too |
| 15:04.08 | cantido | I have noticed that sometimes if I install testing/unstable from fresh even if the packages are the same somethings are slightly different to an install that was upgraded |
| 15:04.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | installer should ask you if you want to replace the config files... |
| 15:04.58 | cantido | Like I installed a new machine a couple days ago and kde looks a ton better than on this machine.. probably because my ~/.kde is from when 4.x first came in |
| 15:05.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually only if you edited that, but I've seen it ask me on files I'm pretty sure I never touched |
| 15:05.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, that's possible |
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| 15:05.31 | file-exists-p | git-core has reading privileges problems in the recent update Lenny ? |
| 15:05.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | running KDE on a shared $HOME with different KDE versions was rather problematic, too... |
| 15:05.55 | file-exists-p | Lenny update even |
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| 15:05.59 | lenswipe|laptop | hey guys |
| 15:06.03 | file-exists-p | yes guy |
| 15:06.08 | lenswipe|laptop | for some reason lenny netinstall wont detect my HDD |
| 15:06.11 | cantido | misses kde 3.5 |
| 15:06.32 | file-exists-p | cantido why don't you install it ? does not compile anymore ? |
| 15:06.33 | jordanm | !tell lenswipe|laptop about kmuto |
| 15:06.54 | cantido | file-exists-p: it's no in debian and I rarely can't be arsed with building it and keeping it working |
| 15:07.01 | file-exists-p | ok |
| 15:07.12 | file-exists-p | you are more lazy than you miss KDE 3.5 then :P |
| 15:07.20 | cantido | file-exists-p: 4.x does most of what 3.5 did now.. it's still a bit wonky but it gets better with each release |
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| 15:07.41 | lenswipe|laptop | jordanm, that not particularly useful :/ |
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| 15:07.54 | jordanm | lenswipe|laptop: why not? |
| 15:07.56 | file-exists-p | so, anybody has problems with git-core in the recent Lenny update ? |
| 15:08.07 | file-exists-p | I can't believe I am the only one with the problem |
| 15:08.16 | lenswipe|laptop | jordanm, beacuse it doesnt explain why lenny refuses to acknowledge the existance of my HDD |
| 15:08.30 | file-exists-p | I had to chmod -R a+r /usr/share/git-core/templates |
| 15:08.30 | jordanm | lenswipe|laptop: the most common scenerio for that is that the kernel is too old to support your storage controller. a newer installer in needed. the kmuto installer to be exact |
| 15:08.32 | cantido | file-exists-p: recently lenny update should have only been a security fix |
| 15:08.39 | lenswipe|laptop | ah i see |
| 15:08.42 | lenswipe|laptop | thanks |
| 15:08.45 | karlpinc | lenswipe|laptop: Because you may need a newer kernel. Hence an installer with a newer kernel. |
| 15:08.50 | file-exists-p | cantido well, git was working, it did not anymore, I noticed a recent update ... |
| 15:08.51 | lenswipe|laptop | jordanm, so kmuto > anaconda? |
| 15:09.04 | jordanm | anaconda is the installer for fedora and RHEL |
| 15:09.08 | lenswipe|laptop | !tell lenswipe|laptop about kmuto |
| 15:09.11 | jordanm | not used in debian at all |
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| 15:09.18 | lenswipe|laptop | jordanm, right |
| 15:09.35 | karlpinc | lenswipe|laptop: (Note also that after a kmuto install you usually also need, while booted from the install cd, to install a newer kernel from backports.org. The kernel running the installer is not what's installed.) |
| 15:09.41 | jordanm | lenswipe|laptop: kmuto is the same debian-installer with a newer kernel. kmuto is the name of the dev the provides them |
| 15:09.42 | cantido | <3 d-i |
| 15:09.57 | karlpinc | !tell lenswipe|laptop about selftell |
| 15:10.14 | jordanm | karlpinc: I am pretty sure that it is.. because if you look on the website, there are instructions for installing headers for the kernel that kmuto installs |
| 15:10.32 | karlpinc | jordanm: Ok. It didn't used to. |
| 15:10.33 | jordanm | although, you will always want to move to backports kernel |
| 15:11.00 | lenswipe|laptop | jordanm, so i have to install loads of kernels and junk? |
| 15:11.02 | lenswipe|laptop | right.... |
| 15:11.08 | lenswipe|laptop | would squeeze be better? |
| 15:11.17 | jordanm | lenswipe|laptop: no |
| 15:11.21 | lenswipe|laptop | .. |
| 15:11.25 | lenswipe|laptop | no to what |
| 15:11.39 | cantido | it might be.. his graphics etc might not work with lenny's Xorg |
| 15:11.53 | karlpinc | lenswipe|laptop: More or less both. Just use the kmuto installer. |
| 15:12.04 | jordanm | squeeze is not better, and no, you still only need one kernel |
| 15:12.11 | karlpinc | !tell lenswipe|laptop about bpo |
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| 15:12.36 | jordanm | cantido: that is possible, but the a fairly rare case |
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| 15:12.55 | lenswipe | damn router |
| 15:13.03 | lenswipe | karlpinc, whats the nvidia support like in debian? |
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| 15:13.30 | cantido | jordanm: I don't know if it's really worth the pain to install backports etc when squeeze is around the corner |
| 15:13.47 | karlpinc | lenswipe: I'm not up on it. You either use what's in the kernel or enable and install whatever invida allows to be re-distributed from the non-free repo. |
| 15:13.56 | lenswipe | ah right |
| 15:14.16 | karlpinc | cantido: For some value of "around the corner". I extrapolate the middle of next year. |
| 15:14.24 | cantido | lenswipe: fairly good, if you have a newish chipset it won't work with the driver in lenny AFAIK |
| 15:14.35 | lenswipe | shi*t |
| 15:14.44 | lenswipe | u just got a new nvidia GFX card |
| 15:14.46 | karlpinc | cantido: But with a newer kernel from bpo? |
| 15:14.51 | jkprg | hi. I want to build heimdal with debug symbols and without optimization. export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nostrip,noopt doesn't help. Can you help how to do it? Thx. |
| 15:14.52 | lenswipe | and i chose nvidia specially for debian |
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| 15:15.07 | cantido | karlpinc: he would still need a newer nvidia kernel module and glx |
| 15:15.09 | jordanm | lenswipe|laptop: > 9000 series will not work with lenny |
| 15:15.24 | jordanm | lenswipe|laptop: this can be worked-around if on i386, but not on amd64 |
| 15:15.26 | lenswipe | jordanm, how about squeeze? |
| 15:15.31 | cantido | maybe the nv driver would work in lenny |
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| 15:15.39 | lenswipe | hmm |
| 15:15.45 | lenswipe | could i mebbe use ndiswrapper? |
| 15:15.46 | jordanm | the nv driver should work, yes |
| 15:15.52 | lenswipe | kk |
| 15:15.58 | cantido | lenswipe: for a graphics card? |
| 15:16.01 | lenswipe | yeah |
| 15:16.09 | cantido | lenswipe: eh, I don't see that working out |
| 15:16.14 | jordanm | ndiswrapper is for wireless only. the proprietary nvidia drivers are something like 90% cross-platform code to begin with |
| 15:16.14 | lenswipe | ??? |
| 15:16.16 | lenswipe | ah right |
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| 15:16.37 | cantido | lenswipe: the free nv driver that is in lenny might work |
| 15:16.41 | lenswipe | ok |
| 15:16.49 | lenswipe | well ill try it and see how i go with backports |
| 15:17.00 | lenswipe | so do i just download backports and use it like a normal debian install? |
| 15:17.02 | jordanm | you can always upgrade later if needed |
| 15:17.07 | jordanm | !tell lenswipe about bpo |
| 15:17.13 | lenswipe | ok |
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| 15:17.59 | lenswipe | jordanm, what link wasnt useful cos i need to install debian first |
| 15:18.07 | lenswipe | so i need http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/right? |
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| 15:20.50 | hell_razer | here is my /etc/default/grub http://paste.enzotools.org/show/1195/ |
| 15:21.01 | cantido | lenswipe: just a thought, you might be able to install with the stock disc if you change the sata mode in your bios |
| 15:21.06 | hell_razer | framebofer after nvidia install dont work |
| 15:21.23 | lenswipe | cantido, how do i do that? |
| 15:21.34 | hell_razer | but frum menu is in correct resolution |
| 15:21.35 | cantido | hell_razer: I had a nice framebuffer until I installed the nvidia module.. |
| 15:21.48 | hell_razer | cantido: and then? it falls? |
| 15:22.24 | cantido | hell_razer: no, it went to the bog standard chunky 80 cols (think) setup |
| 15:22.48 | cantido | hell_razer: I'm not sure the kernel framebuffer and the nvidia module will work together. |
| 15:23.08 | cantido | lenswipe: you should have some emulation options for SATA in your bios.. where they are depend on the bios |
| 15:23.28 | lenswipe | ok |
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| 15:23.46 | lenswipe | no i have no emulation options |
| 15:23.51 | hell_razer | cantido: what wrong in my cfg why framebuffer dont start? |
| 15:23.56 | cantido | hell_razer: setting the grub graphics mode probably works because it's doing generic vesa stuff. |
| 15:24.32 | hell_razer | here is my /etc/default/grub http://paste.enzotools.org/show/1195/ |
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| 15:24.53 | cantido | hell_razer: the nvidia framebuffer driver in the kernel conflicts with the driver from nvidia |
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| 15:24.57 | Plouj | hi |
| 15:25.06 | Plouj | what's the name of the software that runs the debian apt-repo? |
| 15:25.08 | cantido | hell_razer: you can use a generic vesa one from the look of it |
| 15:25.08 | hell_razer | cantido: and how to solve it? |
| 15:25.18 | lenswipe | cantido, whats it usually called? |
| 15:25.22 | lenswipe | the SATA emulation |
| 15:25.27 | cantido | hell_razer: xterm in Xorg would probably be faster |
| 15:25.31 | cantido | lenswipe: ACHI options |
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| 15:25.36 | lenswipe | kk |
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| 15:25.57 | hell_razer | cantido: in arch i has nvidia nad framebofer just pacman -S nvidia =\ |
| 15:26.01 | cantido | lenswipe: usually you can enable or disable it.. it's a hack for installing windows xp from what I gather |
| 15:26.02 | lenswipe | cantido, just as a thought my SATA drive is showing up as an IDE drive - does that mean its using emulation already? |
| 15:26.09 | Plouj | specifically the software behind http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/barnowl |
| 15:27.02 | cantido | lenswipe: it probably looks like a ide drive in all the bios output... like my drives come up as forth master and slave |
| 15:27.19 | lenswipe | this one shows as master only |
| 15:27.32 | cantido | lenswipe: because you have one drive :) |
| 15:27.36 | lenswipe | k |
| 15:27.53 | cantido | if you have the option try toggling it. otherwise try the kmuto image |
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| 15:28.41 | lenswipe | no i dont have the option |
| 15:29.30 | cantido | hell_razer: on the googles people suggest using the uvesa drive |
| 15:29.33 | cantido | hell_razer: r |
| 15:30.48 | vovkav | hi! is there a simple (fast, concerning needed configuration) package that will notify me by mail, if crc errors or HDD-SMART atributes failures start showing up in system logs? I know about logcheck, but it's a pain to exclude all the usual strings... |
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| 15:31.01 | bzed | vovkav: smartmontools |
| 15:31.08 | bzed | vovkav: if you configure smartd properly |
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| 15:31.30 | vovkav | bzed: as far as i know, it doesn't track crc errs |
| 15:31.31 | bzed | vovkav: which will not check logs, but talk with your disks |
| 15:31.57 | tdn | I have a web server at my home network behind NAT. When I download something from the webserver from inside the local network, I cannot download more than my internet upstream. So it seems that traffic is routed out of my local network, to my ISP and back again. How do I fix this? I assume this happens, because domain names resolve to my server's public IP instead of the local IP. But shouldn't there be some way to configure NAT to handle this? |
| 15:32.04 | bzed | vovkav: before you get a crc error, smart should know that the disk is dying |
| 15:32.46 | cantido | tdn: add a entry in /etc/hosts to the local ip for that machine |
| 15:32.53 | vovkav | tdn: keyword: proxyarp |
| 15:32.57 | cantido | tdn: that will override what dns says |
| 15:33.12 | karlpinc | tdn: It's something you configure in dns. You want inside your lan to be a different zone than outside. |
| 15:33.17 | bzed | vovkav: or just fix the routing at your router to the outside of the world |
| 15:33.25 | bzed | err tdn ^ |
| 15:33.42 | karlpinc | tdn: If you've more than one box run a nameserver. Keeping multiple hosts files in sync is a pain. |
| 15:34.18 | jordanm | karlpinc: isn't that what puppet is for? |
| 15:34.26 | karlpinc | jordanm: :) |
| 15:34.45 | bzed | uhm guys. when a packet for an internal network is routed to the world, it is insane to fix DNS. there is a routing issue. Fix the router... |
| 15:34.49 | bzed | tdn: ^ |
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| 15:35.17 | Kegeruneku | hey all |
| 15:35.30 | karlpinc | bzed: If an rfc1918 IP is routed anywhere once it gets on the net then the ISP is broken. I doubt that this is the case. |
| 15:35.37 | tdn | cantido, /etc/hosts is not a viable solution for laptops. If I take my laptop to work, then the host will resolve incorrectly. |
| 15:35.59 | cantido | tdn: if you have a local dns server you could fix it there |
| 15:36.11 | bzed | karlpinc: where does it say he is using rfc1918 ips? |
| 15:36.11 | tdn | bzed, that is what I want! How do I fix the routing? |
| 15:36.14 | cantido | tdn: but.. your NAT shouldn't be pushing it out in the first place |
| 15:36.22 | tdn | cantido, exactly. |
| 15:36.25 | bzed | tdn: what kind of router do you have? |
| 15:36.43 | karlpinc | bzed: We'll just see then. |
| 15:36.59 | cusco | hi... every time I install anything with apt-get the following warnings come up: http://paste.debian.net/89131/ |
| 15:37.00 | bzed | karlpinc: even if he has, his internal network should be able to handle that |
| 15:37.17 | tdn | bzed, linksys wrt54g. |
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| 15:37.27 | tdn | bzed, but I am considering just using my debian server as router instead. |
| 15:37.27 | cantido | tdn: standard firmware? |
| 15:37.33 | tdn | cantido, yes. |
| 15:37.33 | bzed | tdn: and it is the default gateway for both networks? |
| 15:37.41 | tdn | bzed, both networks? |
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| 15:37.51 | bzed | tdn: or where is your other internal box? |
| 15:37.56 | cusco | what happened to maintainer and description? |
| 15:37.57 | cantido | cusco: getting that here too |
| 15:38.05 | tdn | bzed, both boxes are behind the linksys nat router, yes. |
| 15:38.09 | karlpinc | bzed: Not if he's using a global dns name to reference his box. That will return the publicly routable IP. (And he's already said he's nat-ting, so he does have a rfc1918 address.) |
| 15:38.13 | JordiGH | Are apt-get and aptitude all that different nowadays? |
| 15:38.36 | karlpinc | !tell JordiGH about why aptitude |
| 15:38.41 | bzed | karlpinc: and? jsut a question of fixing the router |
| 15:38.43 | JordiGH | I just read that. |
| 15:38.47 | jordanm | JordiGH: the depends resolvers are still quite different |
| 15:38.48 | JordiGH | It doesn't answer my question. |
| 15:39.01 | abrotman | then ask a better question |
| 15:39.02 | JordiGH | Why does aptitude want to remove half of your system if you've been using apt-get forever? |
| 15:39.08 | abrotman | !unmarkauto |
| 15:39.09 | dpkg | Is aptitude or apt-get trying to remove packages that it thinks were automatically installed? This happens when you "aptitude install gnome" and then later remove bits of it, the gnome meta-package will be uninstalled and aptitude will try to remove lots more. Fix this by running "aptitude install packagename" or "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" on strategically chosen packages, or reinstall the <metapackage>. |
| 15:39.10 | bzed | tdn: actualyl I have no idea how to configure this in the linksys firmware |
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| 15:39.31 | bzed | tdn: its for sure possible to do so in openwrt or other -wrt distributions |
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| 15:39.38 | tdn | bzed, ok. But if I set up the debian server as router instead, then how do I do it? |
| 15:39.40 | jordanm | JordiGH: because those packages are seen as uneeded. they were installed as depends or recommends on another package you have since removed |
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| 15:39.51 | karlpinc | bzed: No. A publicly routable IP should route out of his rfc1918 network. He needs to resolve the name to an internal address. |
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| 15:39.57 | tdn | bzed, ok. I have not tried using openwrt yet. I would like to. |
| 15:40.14 | karlpinc | tdn: I've tried and would prefer emdebian. |
| 15:40.20 | bzed | karlpinc: nobody forbids you to route *whatever* IP in your internal network |
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| 15:40.49 | karlpinc | bzed: Sure. But it's a kludge. Talk to the device using the IP number it has. |
| 15:40.56 | cantido | thought that if kernel saw a packet going to a local interface it wouldn't try to route it |
| 15:41.12 | tdn | karlpinc, since I am using a globally available DNS server from outside this domain, I would like to have the FQDN of this box still point to an outside IP. |
| 15:41.42 | p3rror | oups my keyboard flood the channel |
| 15:41.47 | karlpinc | tdn: Only outside your lan. Inside you want to talk directly to the box. Resolve differently inside the lan then outside. |
| 15:41.53 | Kegeruneku | tdn: actually it happens with a non rfc1918 address |
| 15:42.08 | Kegeruneku | (oops already said) |
| 15:43.06 | bzed | tdn: there are various ways. you could add a route to that IP via the internal IP of that host |
| 15:43.07 | karlpinc | tdn: Bind will deliver different results depending on who's asking "split horizon dns". But you proably don't need that. Just a nameserver with your zone that only your lan uses. |
| 15:43.21 | bzed | tdn: actually setting souch a route should even work in the default linksys thing |
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| 15:44.21 | bzed | tdn: in the static route config, set a route to the outside IP of your server pointing to the internal IP. thats ugly, but should work |
| 15:44.24 | karlpinc | bzed: No, because it also needs to NAT. Unless the server has both internal and external IPs on it's interface. Which is all a bit awkward. Easier to maintain the mapping in a single centralized place, a nameserver. |
| 15:44.54 | bzed | karlpinc: why does it need to nat? the serve ruses the router as default gateway, and that is able to handle internal IPs |
| 15:45.19 | poisonbit | is there a reason I unknown for /sbin/* and /usr/sbin/* files, to be everyone else readable/executable ? |
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| 15:45.34 | bzed | karlpinc: ah well, guess incoming connections are natted on that box, too |
| 15:45.51 | bzed | karlpinc: then you'd be right. |
| 15:46.01 | abrotman | poisonbit: they're not in your default path .. you'd have to type the full path .. do you consider that some sort of security problem ? |
| 15:46.07 | karlpinc | bzed: If the public ip is 1.2.3.4 and is natted to 192.168.0.1 and the router routes 1.2.3.4 to 192.168.0.1 then the server will ignore the packet because it's not got that IP. |
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| 15:47.23 | starenka | hi, where can i find keyboard maps in some text format? i need to get some layouts in order to use them in my project and i thought it would be better to search within debian first |
| 15:47.27 | starenka | thnaks for hints |
| 15:47.30 | poisonbit | abrotman, not security but more about expected behavior of the system... If debian install arp in /usr/sbin, I don't like a plain user executing /usr/sbin/arp -a... I don't say it's a security issue, but more about "expected behavior", I think then arp should be in /usr/bin |
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| 15:47.37 | karlpinc | tdn: There are multiple ways to do what you need. Pick your poison. I like dns because it scales forever. /etc/hosts is simple if you've a single host. |
| 15:48.25 | cantido | I think dnsmask can override the ip return for certain hosts too.. if he installed openwrt on the wrt54g he could configure that |
| 15:48.31 | tdn | bzed, looking at linksys config.... |
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| 15:48.49 | cantido | s/dnsmask/dnsmasq/ |
| 15:49.09 | abrotman | poisonbit: why is that unexpected behaviour ? |
| 15:49.14 | karlpinc | cantido: I think so, but I found openwrt limiting and rolled my own dnsmasq config. |
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| 15:50.08 | poisonbit | abrotman, well, then split in paths is not kiss |
| 15:50.29 | abrotman | poisonbit: a normal user wouldn't normally care about the arp stuff .. |
| 15:50.44 | cantido | karlpinc: mmm he could also add an iptables rule to dnat traffic coming from the internal network to the public ip.. the default firmware is more limiting than openwrt |
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| 15:51.09 | tdn | bzed, I am at the static routing option right now. There are the following input fields: Set number, Route name, Dest. LAN IP, Subnet mask, default gateway, interface. Not sure what to write. |
| 15:52.30 | tdn | Interface can be either LAN or WAN. |
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| 15:53.54 | cantido | tdn: if you create a route all that traffic will go through the router still |
| 15:54.22 | phorce1 | when doing an install from a netinst how does one get it to use a locally mounted mirror (mounted using a USB drive) |
| 15:54.34 | cantido | tdn: IIRC the wrt54 doesn't have much ram, a 200mhz mips cpu and only a single 100mbit nic behind the switch |
| 15:54.44 | phorce1 | s/netinst/netinst CD/ |
| 15:55.11 | cantido | tdn: if you made that address resolve to the right internal address the router wouldn't be involved anymore |
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| 15:55.45 | tdn | cantido, oh, you mean I should create the route at my local machine and not on the linksys? |
| 15:56.42 | cantido | tdn: if your internal machines resolve that address to your public ip address they will use whatever gateway they thing they need to use to reach that address |
| 15:56.52 | cantido | s/thing/think/ |
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| 15:57.45 | davidroderick | i added some stuff to /etc/environment how do i restart the boot script which reads this? |
| 15:58.03 | poisonbit | davidroderick, re-login |
| 15:58.26 | Joelio | Hi all, I've just caused a bit of an outage to all our mail servers that were syslogging via TCP to the syslog server. I ran a script to clean up some of the database on the syslog box, which in turn pushed up the load and silently forced the TCP recieve queue up. That subsequently caused all off the mail servers to increase their send queue, which then cause a complete outage for mail.. |
| 15:58.32 | Joelio | Hi all, I've just caused a bit of an outage to all our mail servers that were syslogging via TCP to the syslog server. I ran a script to clean up some of the database on the syslog box, which in turn pushed up the load and silently forced the TCP recieve queue up. That subsequently caused all off the mail servers to increase their send queue, which then cause a complete outage for mail.. |
| 15:58.57 | cantido | oops |
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| 16:01.14 | tdn | cantido, ok. |
| 16:01.29 | davidroderick | poisonbit: not working |
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| 16:01.48 | cantido | tdn: I'm pretty sure that with dnsmasq you can override what gets returned when your machines lookup certain hosts |
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| 16:02.09 | cantido | tdn: I think the stock wrt54 firmware uses dnsmasq, but I'm not sure you can change the config |
| 16:02.22 | tdn | cantido, ok |
| 16:02.53 | cantido | has a .localdomain zone |
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| 16:05.43 | Joelio | cantido: Yep! Any ideas on alternative ways to syslog.. wondering if RELP could aleviate this, but it's probably not |
| 16:06.00 | Joelio | grumbles |
| 16:06.34 | karlpinc | tdn: I wrote an entry on the openwrt "old wiki" on how to replace the openwrt configs with the package's original config format by running your own service. |
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| 16:07.36 | cantido | Joelio: what syslog is it? I thought rsyslog and syslog-ng were designed to stop things like that happening |
| 16:07.44 | Joelio | rsyslog |
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| 16:08.18 | Joelio | stock lenny.. using a mysql template to input to the database, then sphinx to provide fulltest FAST searching for our support dept. |
| 16:08.23 | mee | it sounds like you have too many critical services on one box to me |
| 16:08.45 | Joelio | there's 8 bastions.. 1 syslog server |
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| 16:09.04 | lenswipe|laptop | hey guys |
| 16:09.08 | lenswipe|laptop | LVM or no LVM? |
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| 16:09.14 | lenswipe|laptop | when i install debian |
| 16:09.16 | cantido | lenswipe|laptop: you probably don't need lvm |
| 16:09.19 | lenswipe|laptop | ok |
| 16:09.34 | lenswipe|laptop | seperate /home partition? |
| 16:09.36 | lenswipe|laptop | is that good idea? |
| 16:10.01 | cantido | lenswipe|laptop: you might want to try one big partition if it's your first install |
| 16:10.03 | jelly | lenswipe|laptop: server or workstation? |
| 16:10.08 | cantido | lenswipe|laptop: I think the installer suggests that |
| 16:10.15 | lenswipe|laptop | jelly, workstation |
| 16:10.16 | phorce1 | OK, google is killing me. Is there really no way from the Lenny d-i to 'mount /dev/sda1 /target/mnt/mirror' then use a 'deb file:///mnt/mirror/debian lenny main' in the sources list *DURING* the install? |
| 16:10.26 | lenswipe|laptop | cantido, its not my first install but ok |
| 16:10.29 | jelly | lenswipe|laptop: use what you're comfortable with, then |
| 16:10.33 | lenswipe|laptop | kk |
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| 16:10.54 | jelly | lenswipe|laptop: I'd have probably recommended lvm for server |
| 16:11.08 | lenswipe|laptop | ok |
| 16:11.12 | cantido | I think the guided partitioner allocates too little for / when you ask for / and /home |
| 16:11.21 | lenswipe|laptop | its not a server its a workstation |
| 16:11.29 | lenswipe|laptop | a 1.5TB one, but a workstation never the less :p |
| 16:11.53 | jelly | hopefully in a mirror setup |
| 16:12.04 | cantido | it's a laptop isn't it? |
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| 16:12.33 | lenswipe|laptop | cantido, nope first build |
| 16:12.37 | lenswipe|laptop | jelly, it will be |
| 16:12.39 | lenswipe|laptop | RAID1 |
| 16:12.46 | lenswipe|laptop | not yet tho - i dont have another HDD |
| 16:13.32 | lenswipe|laptop | 1TB* |
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| 16:15.34 | cantido | lenswipe|laptop: with a bit of effort you can convert over to a RAID1 later |
| 16:15.47 | cantido | lenswipe|laptop: without re-installing :) |
| 16:16.03 | lenswipe|laptop | cantido, yeah |
| 16:16.14 | lenswipe|laptop | i was thinking of going for a RAID0 striped RAID array |
| 16:16.31 | cantido | you can do that will LVM |
| 16:16.32 | lenswipe|laptop | but my friend told me that the 0 in RAID0 was to remind you of how many files you get when it cocks up |
| 16:16.37 | lenswipe|laptop | cantido, see above |
| 16:16.47 | lenswipe|laptop | get back* |
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| 16:17.15 | cantido | lenswipe|laptop: RAID isn't a alternative to backup stuff up |
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| 16:17.26 | cantido | s/backup/backing/ |
| 16:17.33 | lenswipe|laptop | cantido, RAID1 is |
| 16:17.38 | lenswipe|laptop | disk mirroring |
| 16:17.44 | jordanm | no, ITS NOT |
| 16:17.53 | cantido | lenswipe|laptop: sometimes when the array rebuilds.. the other disk dies ;) |
| 16:18.02 | lenswipe|laptop | orly? |
| 16:18.03 | lenswipe|laptop | hmm |
| 16:18.06 | cantido | really |
| 16:18.10 | lenswipe|laptop | hmmm.... |
| 16:18.12 | lenswipe|laptop | :/ |
| 16:18.15 | cantido | ask anyone that has a RAID5 |
| 16:18.17 | lenswipe|laptop | so whats the point of RAID1 then? |
| 16:18.22 | jordanm | lenswipe|laptop: raid1 proctects against single disc failure, but it is not a backup. accidently delete a file? a backup can restore that file, raid1 can not |
| 16:18.33 | lenswipe|laptop | ah i see right yeah |
| 16:18.41 | lenswipe|laptop | well disk failiure is what im protecting against |
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| 16:19.03 | cantido | lenswipe|laptop: RAID1 means the machine can keep going while you go and get a spare disk |
| 16:19.08 | lenswipe|laptop | yeah |
| 16:19.16 | cantido | lenswipe|laptop: really the system should have spare disks in it waiting to take over |
| 16:19.31 | davidroderick | How do I ensure that the /etc/environment file is read? |
| 16:19.31 | lenswipe|laptop | hmm |
| 16:19.39 | cantido | or hd vendors could make disks that don't die in 6months |
| 16:19.41 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | is sid usable right now ? considering the slow updates from testing cause of freeze? |
| 16:19.55 | jordanm | sh4d3sl4y3r_: sid is never usable |
| 16:20.11 | stew | sh4d3sl4y3r_: the freeze is the cause of slow updates TO testonf FROM sid |
| 16:20.17 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | jordanm: depends on time. its the worst after a release like testing is |
| 16:20.42 | jordanm | stew: yes, but the release team does not like for version not intended for squeeze to be uploaded to unstable |
| 16:20.45 | jordanm | atleast, as I understood |
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| 16:21.05 | jordanm | they were pushing experimental and t-p-u |
| 16:21.07 | jdahm | what is the command to tell what package provides a certain file? |
| 16:21.07 | lenswipe|laptop | damn this think is freakin heavy (i know thats what she said) |
| 16:21.14 | lenswipe|laptop | i built a pc and it weighs a ton |
| 16:21.29 | jordanm | jdahm: dpkg -S <file>; apt-file if the package is not installed |
| 16:21.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | cantido, I think gdm/X must set $XAUTHORITY for me... running things as root used to work on the machine I access remotely now, too, now it doesnt (in vnc4server) |
| 16:21.59 | jordanm | a good quality PSU can make up a lot of the weight in those things |
| 16:22.09 | jdahm | jordanm: thanks! |
| 16:22.14 | jordanm | jdahm: anytime |
| 16:22.23 | phorce1 | that is so freakin annoying. change /target/etc/apt/sources.list but there's no way to get the installer to read it. The last step of "configure the package manager" rewrites the sources.list and wipes out your changes. |
| 16:22.27 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i have seen sid and testing breaks a lot during first two or three months of a stable release. and sid is somewhat usable during freeze |
| 16:22.45 | cantido | CutMeOwnThroat: mm I use kdm, so maybe that's the different |
| 16:22.50 | cantido | CutMeOwnThroat: difference |
| 16:23.19 | jordanm | phorce1: is that not something that preseeding can do? |
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| 16:23.58 | phorce1 | jordanm: preseeding? is that a googleable term? |
| 16:24.45 | phorce1 | checking |
| 16:24.59 | abrotman | !tell phorce1 about preseed |
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| 16:25.45 | karlpinc | Is there a particular group that a user needs to be in for gnome to automount a vfat usb stick? |
| 16:25.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | cantido, hmm... could be - or really lenny<->squeeze... |
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| 16:26.51 | phorce1 | thx. reading now. Don't want fully automated anything though, just the ability to use a locally mounted filesystem as the mirror during install for machines with no network capability at the time of install. |
| 16:27.55 | cantido | phorce1: maybe you could use the hd-media and drop the DVD image in there |
| 16:29.05 | jordanm | karlpinc: plugdev |
| 16:29.12 | karlpinc | plugdev is the group. (Is there some centralized list of what groups do what?) |
| 16:29.17 | karlpinc | jordanm: Thanks. :) |
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| 16:29.31 | phorce1 | cantido: it's not a dvd image. It's a real, full mirror. I can plug the drive into another machine on the network with a web server and use http to access it but I want to be able to use it on machines that don't have a network available at the time of install |
| 16:29.39 | jordanm | karlpinc: I seem to recall debian reference covering common groups |
| 16:30.03 | jordanm | karlpinc: yep: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch01.en.html#_permissions_for_groups_of_users_group |
| 16:30.28 | lenswipe|laptop | cantido, jordanm btw that patched debian worked |
| 16:30.28 | karlpinc | jordanm: Thanks. |
| 16:30.29 | lenswipe|laptop | :D |
| 16:30.31 | lenswipe|laptop | backport |
| 16:30.51 | lenswipe|laptop | well its installing at least, idk how it will cope with my GFX card |
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| 16:32.28 | at0m | hi, I'm planning to expand a home server with photo albums. what (package?) could you advise that provides something similar to Gallery - with ratings, comments etc? |
| 16:32.56 | jordanm | possibly not ideal, but I know some drupal plugins will do similar |
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| 16:33.08 | lenswipe|laptop | at0m, have a look at coppermine |
| 16:33.17 | lenswipe|laptop | it has all of those things |
| 16:33.21 | at0m | lenswipe|laptop: cheers, checking! |
| 16:33.25 | lenswipe|laptop | and it integrates with phpbb....(aparently) |
| 16:34.23 | davidroderick | If I have a segfault on a vps running lenny, this is serious isn't it. I can't ssh |
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| 16:34.49 | jordanm | davidroderick: what is segfaulting? |
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| 16:34.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | at0m, gallery is in Debian from squeeze on... |
| 16:35.37 | hell_razer | cantido: i am running to setup frambufer again, i can not find any actual info |
| 16:35.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | at0m, and "gallery2" is even in backports |
| 16:36.24 | davidroderick | what should I do? |
| 16:36.24 | davidroderick | maybe use etch? |
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| 16:37.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | answer jordanms question as a start, so we know what you're talking about.... |
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| 16:39.12 | at0m | CutMeOwnThroat: i just went over the 'why' it'd be in backports, and why it's been removed from the main repo's... seems to have loads of holes that never seem to get plugged |
| 16:40.02 | at0m | s/holes/security issues |
| 16:40.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | well.. it says "written in php" |
| 16:40.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | ducks |
| 16:40.31 | at0m | yea same for coppermine apparently |
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| 16:42.54 | phorce1 | damn, that's annoying. Reading through the preseeding docs it appears that the d-i doesn't have an option for "d-i mirror/protocol string file". Only ftp and http. |
| 16:42.56 | davidroderick | jordanm: when I reboot and login as user it won't let me. root still works. don't really know what is segfaulting |
| 16:43.27 | jordanm | davidroderick: why do you think its a segfault issue? |
| 16:44.12 | davidroderick | bash[2486]: segfault at 7fff047deff8 rip 41f209 rsp 7fff047df000 error 6 |
| 16:44.39 | jordanm | davidroderick: how are you able to see dmesg if you can't login? |
| 16:45.14 | davidroderick | xen |
| 16:45.44 | jordanm | davidroderick: what if you change your shell to /bin/dash, will that get you logged in? |
| 16:45.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | if root still can log in, that doesn't much sound like a segfault |
| 16:46.05 | davidroderick | good idea. how? |
| 16:46.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | davidroderick, can you "su - user" |
| 16:47.58 | davidroderick | I cannot su user |
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| 16:49.02 | davidroderick | how do I change the shell? |
| 16:49.04 | jordanm | davidroderick: if root can login, pastebin the following: uname -r; apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy libc6 bash apt |
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| 16:49.16 | jordanm | davidroderick: usermod or edit /etc/passwd |
| 16:49.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | davidroderick, what is the error when you try |
| 16:51.19 | p3rror | hello i'm asking for a systray on my desktop |
| 16:51.24 | p3rror | i've gnome |
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| 16:52.16 | jordanm | p3rror: its called "notification area", and enabled by default IIRC |
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| 16:53.45 | p3rror | jordanm, thanks it's worked |
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| 16:56.33 | davidroderick | CutMeOwnThroat: hey, you saved me 6 hours. dash works. evil bash |
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| 16:57.22 | starenka | hi all, where are scancodes for different lang/layouts stored? |
| 16:57.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | that was jordanm but we're happy you can log in again |
| 16:58.32 | davidroderick | how do I make the up arrow key in dash work? |
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| 17:00.10 | jordanm | davidroderick: please provide the pastebin I asked for earlier now that you have a shell |
| 17:00.22 | wildc4rd | evening all |
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| 17:10.21 | davidroderick | jordanm: confession. I put a loop in my .bashrc it was a typing error |
| 17:13.46 | jordanm | davidroderick: good that its solved |
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| 17:32.50 | ksk | hello |
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| 17:33.24 | ksk | can someone tell me what "mod_passenger" (for apache2) is? some ruby on rails mod? im afraid i cannot find useful information from the apache project itself |
| 17:33.50 | ksk | just some odd forum postings.. |
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| 17:37.11 | spersaud | when will Squeeze be released ? |
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| 17:37.31 | spersaud | I am waiting quite patiently as this would this would be a major milestone for debian and the linux community |
| 17:37.46 | jpinx | anyone able to shed light on why locales is failing to setup (in a chroot) -- http://paste.debian.net/89154/ |
| 17:37.46 | lv_ | hey guys i'm about to piss.... my pants, my primary machine grub comes up and says error: hd0 out of disk |
| 17:37.49 | spersaud | I want to congratulate my fellow hackers on your great accomplishments |
| 17:38.04 | lv_ | i'm running swueeze |
| 17:38.14 | spersaud | henceforth we should move swiftly and aggressively to take over Ubuntu Linux |
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| 17:38.33 | nsadmin | ubuntu is off topic |
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| 17:38.55 | lv_ | i'm in a remote area and can only find a 30mb flash drive i have no cd rom drive ... what rescue cd can i use to restore grub |
| 17:39.01 | jhutchins_lt | !wwsr |
| 17:39.01 | dpkg | Squeeze is now frozen and will release <WIR>, <SIYH>. See http://lists.debian.org/20100806134418.GC9183@halon.org.uk and http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100806 . Ask me about <squeeze bet>. |
| 17:39.02 | spersaud | as your newly proclaimed leaded I want to let you all know I will work diligently to bring both sides of the camp into agreement |
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| 17:39.34 | abrotman | spersaud: do you have a Debian related question ? |
| 17:41.39 | gsf | ksk: try "apt-cache show libapache2-mod-passenger" |
| 17:42.35 | lv_ | i'm in a remote area and can only find a 30mb flash drive i have no cd rom drive ... what rescue cd can i use to restore grub .. am getting error: hd0 out of disk |
| 17:42.56 | jpinx | i have tried dpkg-reconfigure locales and it goes through the motions, but fails |
| 17:43.11 | jordanm | jpinx: fails with what error? |
| 17:43.29 | jpinx | http://paste.debian.net/89154/ |
| 17:43.33 | jpinx | jordanm: ^^ |
| 17:44.26 | nsadmin | so "fails" -> "doesn't work" |
| 17:44.34 | jhutchins_lt | lv_: That may be more than just a grub error, but I don't think there's a sub-30MB image available. |
| 17:45.02 | abrotman | the grub boot ISO ? |
| 17:45.06 | nsadmin | what do you expect it to do? what is it doing instead? or, what is it not doing? |
| 17:45.08 | abrotman | supergrub .. whatever it's called |
| 17:45.19 | jordanm | jpinx: /etc/default/locale? |
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| 17:45.34 | lv_ | yeah running hd diags from the bios now i hope the disk isnt corrupt |
| 17:46.15 | jpinx | jordanm: # File generated by update-locale |
| 17:46.15 | jpinx | LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 |
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| 17:49.33 | ksk | thanks gsf |
| 17:50.15 | gsf | ksk: you're welcome |
| 17:50.17 | ksk | btw there is no package by that name on lenny |
| 17:50.34 | ksk | but google told me |
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| 17:53.18 | lv_ | shit bios says my drive is corrupt, im travelling and havent backed up... is there any way to recover these drive,, i'm using crunchbang debian swueeze |
| 17:53.24 | gsf | ksk: i assumed testing sorry |
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| 17:54.00 | nsadmin | he never did tell which dist |
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| 17:57.15 | lenswipe|laptop | guys |
| 17:57.23 | lenswipe|laptop | i just got an alert saying i had a kernel failiure |
| 17:57.31 | lenswipe|laptop | can anyone give any insight into that? |
| 17:57.44 | jpinx | jordanm: what do you reckon? |
| 17:57.57 | lenswipe|laptop | and for some reason my mouse aint workin with debian |
| 17:57.58 | lenswipe|laptop | :/ |
| 17:58.02 | lenswipe|laptop | oh wait |
| 17:58.04 | lenswipe|laptop | there it goes |
| 17:58.05 | nsadmin | lenswipe|laptop not with zero information |
| 17:58.14 | lenswipe|laptop | nsadmin, what kind of info do you need? |
| 17:58.41 | nsadmin | the exact full text of the message you got in a pastebin |
| 17:58.54 | jordanm | jpinx: hehe, that was my only idea |
| 17:59.05 | lenswipe|laptop | nsadmin, i cant pastebin it - it was in a GTK popup |
| 17:59.09 | lenswipe|laptop | and i agreed to it anyway |
| 17:59.16 | jpinx | jordanm: what was? |
| 17:59.22 | jpinx | must have missed something |
| 17:59.23 | lenswipe|laptop | nsadmin, someone suggested i install a backport |
| 17:59.30 | jordanm | jpinx: checking to make sure it was set in /etc/default/locales |
| 17:59.46 | nsadmin | so there's still no information |
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| 17:59.53 | nsadmin | maybe you could check your logs |
| 17:59.53 | jpinx | then why am I always getting this failure message? |
| 17:59.58 | jordanm | and not just generated.. |
| 18:00.06 | lenswipe|laptop | nsadmin, which logs? |
| 18:00.12 | jordanm | jpinx: I have got it (and ignored it), during lenny->squeeze upgrades |
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| 18:00.37 | lenswipe|laptop | nsadmin, also i cant change my screen resolution to anything higher than 1024x768 which is a bit sh*t on a 1080p monitor |
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| 18:00.47 | jpinx | jordanm: ah - it's one of *those* errors ;) |
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| 18:00.57 | jordanm | lenswipe|laptop: what card did you have, and what arch did you install? |
| 18:01.14 | lenswipe|laptop | jordanm, i installed the i368 arch and i have an nvidia card |
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| 18:01.35 | jordanm | lenswipe|laptop: which nvidia card? |
| 18:01.41 | lenswipe|laptop | lemme check |
| 18:02.16 | lenswipe|laptop | jordanm, idk - how do i check? |
| 18:02.37 | nsadmin | look thru output of lspci -nn |
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| 18:02.44 | lenswipe|laptop | it says model no 219 on the driver cd if thats helpful |
| 18:03.02 | jordanm | lenswipe|laptop: lspci -nn |
| 18:03.11 | lenswipe|laptop | ok 2secs |
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| 18:03.29 | lenswipe|laptop | and another kernel failiure |
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| 18:04.23 | jordanm | you mean the system crashed or you got a kernel oops notification? |
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| 18:05.41 | lenswipe|laptop | jordanm, i get a kernel oops notification |
| 18:05.49 | lenswipe|laptop | but like every time i login |
| 18:05.50 | nsadmin | thinks memtest86 is in lenswipe|laptop's near future |
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| 18:06.11 | lenswipe|newpc | ok this is me on the borked machine |
| 18:06.16 | _d9 | hey I have a problem. I cant play music in rhythmbox anymore. Yesterday it work perfectly, I just deleted some libs with deborphan. How can I find out why it dont play or better said which lib isnt available |
| 18:06.58 | lenswipe|laptop | nsadmin, does that mean my RAM is toast? |
| 18:07.13 | nsadmin | no, just that you should test it |
| 18:07.17 | lenswipe|laptop | okay |
| 18:07.24 | lenswipe|newpc | hang on lemme run that other command |
| 18:07.29 | lenswipe|newpc | what was it to get the model of videoc card |
| 18:07.33 | lenswipe|newpc | lspci or sth? |
| 18:07.56 | justin_ | _d9: read /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 18:08.19 | jhutchins_lt | _d9:I would suggeset removing rhythmbox then re-installing it with aptitude. |
| 18:08.20 | lenswipe|newpc | anyone? |
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| 18:08.35 | lenswipe|newpc | what is that command to get my video card model? |
| 18:08.44 | lenswipe|newpc | i cant give you guys info if you wont give me the commands |
| 18:08.55 | _d9 | try with lspci |
| 18:09.09 | nsadmin | look in your scrollback |
| 18:09.13 | lenswipe|laptop | i cant |
| 18:09.17 | lenswipe|laptop | it wont let me scroll back :/ |
| 18:09.24 | lenswipe|laptop | this is a windows laptop |
| 18:09.51 | lenswipe|newpc | nsadmin, |
| 18:09.52 | lenswipe|newpc | http://pastebin.com/LmHaRGMi |
| 18:09.56 | _d9 | lspci |grep vga worked for me |
| 18:10.10 | lenswipe|newpc | k |
| 18:10.26 | _d9 | # |
| 18:10.26 | _d9 | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation Device [10de:0a20] (rev a2) |
| 18:10.35 | lenswipe|laptop | ... |
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| 18:10.59 | jhutchins_lt | THere's a bot function that'll decode that... |
| 18:11.04 | jordanm | that is 200 series |
| 18:11.07 | lenswipe|laptop | ok |
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| 18:11.13 | lenswipe|laptop | jordanm, okay? |
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| 18:11.37 | jordanb | Hi |
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| 18:11.45 | jordanb | I just dist-upgraded my laptop to testing |
| 18:11.46 | lenswipe|laptop | jordanm, what does that mean? |
| 18:11.57 | jordanb | now it won't see my encrypted partition |
| 18:11.58 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe|laptop: Ok, so what you do is you google the PCI ID with xorg and find out what drivers it uses. |
| 18:12.05 | jordanm | a) backport these drivers: http://snapshot.debian.org/package/nvidia-graphics-drivers/190.53-4/ b) upgrade to squeeze |
| 18:12.08 | lenswipe|laptop | jhutchins_lt, !?!??!?!?! |
| 18:12.22 | jordanb | it just sits there for a while and then times out, dropping me into busybox after not finding the root partition |
| 18:12.22 | lenswipe|laptop | jordanm, okay - how do i upgrade to squeeze? |
| 18:12.30 | jordanb | never asking for the passphrase |
| 18:12.45 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe|laptop: Squeeze is not an "upgrade", it is an experiment. |
| 18:12.54 | lenswipe|laptop | meaning? |
| 18:13.10 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe|laptop: It's not an upgrade. |
| 18:13.19 | lenswipe|laptop | i fail to see your point |
| 18:13.35 | nsadmin | it's not recommended as an upgrade. |
| 18:13.35 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe|laptop: It's a testing release to find and eliminate problems, not an improvement on stable. |
| 18:13.36 | lenswipe|laptop | its the next version of debian, it solves some issues and includes more stuff than lenny |
| 18:13.42 | lenswipe|laptop | to me thats an upgr....ah i get it ok |
| 18:13.59 | lenswipe|laptop | so youd reccomend the backport option? |
| 18:14.06 | nsadmin | how do you know it solves some issues? |
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| 18:14.28 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe|laptop: We know, in fact, that it has it's own UNsolved issues. |
| 18:14.41 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe|laptop: Yes. |
| 18:14.41 | lenswipe|newpc | nsadmin, well for one it includes some new GTK engines which solves the "i cant install this theme i downloaded from the debian theme site" issue |
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| 18:14.54 | jordanm | it does however, support his hardware |
| 18:15.03 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe|laptop: If you want to help test squeeze, either do it on a seperate partition, or make sure you have a snapshot you can restore if it doesn't work. |
| 18:15.17 | lenswipe|newpc | okay |
| 18:15.29 | lenswipe|newpc | jordanm, do i need to backport /all/ of those drivers? |
| 18:15.55 | nsadmin | that would be an unspecified set |
| 18:15.56 | jordanm | lenswipe|newpc: its a single source package that produces 2 binary packages that you need |
| 18:16.09 | jordanm | nvidia-kernel-source and nvidia-glx |
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| 18:17.01 | lenswipe|newpc | thanks |
| 18:17.06 | cargill | hi, I just got an ipv6 capable router and want to set up every computer, the W7 ones of my roommates have caught up immediately but the squeeze one I'm writing from still has only v4 |
| 18:17.15 | jordanm | you will also need: http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20100523T094740Z/pool/contrib/n/nvidia-kernel-common/nvidia-kernel-common_20100522%2B1_all.deb but should not need to backport it, installing the deb should do |
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| 18:17.18 | _d9 | http://pastebin.com/XNMbn0NG |
| 18:17.21 | lenswipe|newpc | jordanm, which source? |
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| 18:17.29 | _d9 | my dpkg log looks bed or? |
| 18:17.57 | cargill | i know that i need to edit /etc/network/interfaces and add "iface eth1 inet6 <something>" |
| 18:18.01 | jordanm | lenswipe|newpc: dget -u http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20100410T043219Z/pool/non-free/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers/nvidia-graphics-drivers_190.53-4.dsc |
| 18:18.54 | lenswipe|newpc | wget: invalid option -- u |
| 18:18.54 | lenswipe|newpc | Usage: wget [OPTION]... [URL]... |
| 18:18.54 | lenswipe|newpc | Try `wget --help' for more options. |
| 18:18.57 | cargill | but I don't know what is the <something> supposed to be and man interfaces section INET6 address family does not help |
| 18:18.58 | jordanm | !tell lenswipe|newpc about package recompile |
| 18:19.09 | lenswipe|newpc | jordanm, your link doesnt work |
| 18:19.10 | jordanm | lenswipe|newpc: dget != wget |
| 18:19.19 | lenswipe|newpc | jordanb, if i do dget it says command not found |
| 18:19.24 | rozie | cargill: so what's the problem? |
| 18:19.31 | jordanm | !tell lenswipe|newpc about installit |
| 18:19.34 | jordanm | !tell lenswipe|newpc about apt-file |
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| 18:20.00 | rozie | cargill: you want to assign static IPv6 address with /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 18:20.09 | cargill | i need the host to get the network address from the router |
| 18:20.19 | cargill | definitely not static |
| 18:20.19 | lenswipe|newpc | jordanb, i cant install dget - it says its not in the repos |
| 18:20.30 | jordanb | That's nice |
| 18:20.39 | jordanm | lenswipe|newpc: i sent you the apt-file factoid for a reason... |
| 18:20.41 | cargill | by autoconfiguration i suppose |
| 18:20.41 | lenswipe|newpc | E: Couldn't find package dget |
| 18:20.45 | rozie | cargill: do you want to use dhcp to assign ipv6? |
| 18:20.53 | jhutchins_lt | cargill: Why do you think you need ipv6? |
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| 18:21.10 | cargill | dhcp6 is not the only option, right? |
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| 18:21.56 | rozie | no it's not the only option |
| 18:22.16 | rozie | where are serveral ways to have IPv6 assigned |
| 18:22.19 | cargill | jhutchins_lt: because of NAT on the ipv4 I'm on |
| 18:22.43 | rozie | cargill: take a look at radvd - Router Advertisement Daemon |
| 18:22.45 | lenswipe|newpc | jordanm, 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list |
| 18:22.48 | lenswipe|newpc | how? |
| 18:23.04 | jordanm | lenswipe|newpc: start at step 4 after you download the package |
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| 18:23.15 | cargill | the router is already connected through a 6in4 tunnel |
| 18:23.16 | lenswipe|newpc | jordanb, what? |
| 18:23.26 | lenswipe|newpc | jordanb, i havent downloaded the package yet |
| 18:23.35 | jordanm | lenswipe|newpc: why not? |
| 18:23.43 | lenswipe|newpc | facedesks |
| 18:23.49 | nsadmin | it's just like John Allen said... you really -can't- explain anything to a rock... |
| 18:23.58 | cargill | rozie: well i suppose something like that is already running on the router, else the W7 computers would not autodetect |
| 18:23.59 | lenswipe|newpc | because dget isnt installed because im still trying to figure out to do #2 |
| 18:24.05 | lenswipe|newpc | face walls |
| 18:24.15 | rozie | cargill: anyway, read about it |
| 18:24.25 | jordanm | lenswipe|newpc: use apt-file to find the package that dget is in |
| 18:24.30 | lenswipe|newpc | ty |
| 18:24.33 | jordanm | lenswipe|newpc: that is why I sent you the factoid |
| 18:24.44 | lenswipe|newpc | so what was the 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list that one about?> |
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| 18:25.13 | jordanm | lenswipe|newpc: doesn't apply to you, start at step 4 after you download the packge |
| 18:25.23 | lenswipe|newpc | jordanm, sudo: apt-file: command not found |
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| 18:25.48 | lenswipe|newpc | *cough* dependancy hell *cough* |
| 18:26.14 | mattgyver | guys I really hope i am not asking a stupid question but I am just really starting to use debian, can you install packages from the ubuntu ppa in debian? |
| 18:26.31 | nsadmin | nope |
| 18:27.16 | mattgyver | Okay, thanks! |
| 18:27.20 | lenswipe|newpc | jordanm, sudo: apt-file: command not found |
| 18:27.36 | nsadmin | !installit |
| 18:27.36 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 18:27.42 | cargill | rozie: I tried to read about it, and even if I tried to use dhcp6, if I trust "man interfaces", I have no way to use that either |
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| 18:28.20 | rozie | cargill: does it work if you assign IPv6 address manually? |
| 18:28.40 | rozie | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6 says it should work OOTB |
| 18:30.07 | _d9 | my sound dont work anymore this sucks. I really dont know why. In my dpkg-log are a lot of half-installed packages, is this normal? |
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| 18:31.20 | rozie | _d9: we still know nothing about your system and hardware. maybe soundcard is broken... ;-) |
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| 18:32.11 | _d9 | rozie, Soundcard isnt broken because today the sound works perfect. Than I installed updates and after this sound dont work more |
| 18:33.22 | lenswipe|laptop | jordanm, any ideas? |
| 18:33.44 | rozie | _d9: uninstall those updates, then |
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| 18:34.14 | _d9 | where can I find the packages installed. Is there a log for aptitude? |
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| 18:34.40 | cahoot | look in /var/log |
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| 18:35.26 | abrotman | does interactive aptitude have a parser for that log file ? |
| 18:35.37 | leafwiz | Hey, anyone know of a good tool to scan the network for packetloss at the if's using snmp? |
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| 18:36.43 | ris | muh. updated squeeze kernel the other day and now my i855 graphics laptop hard freezes trying to bring X up. |
| 18:37.16 | ris | magic sysrq doesnt even do anything |
| 18:37.27 | nsadmin | try booting the earlier kernel |
| 18:37.34 | lenswipe|laptop | nsadmin, do you have any ideas? |
| 18:38.11 | lenswipe|laptop | nsadmin, jordanm suggested i search to see what package contains dget using apt-file, but i recieve a message telling me that apt-file isnot found |
| 18:38.15 | rozie | ris: try disabling KMS |
| 18:38.33 | nsadmin | actually I've decided to not participate in that conversation |
| 18:38.37 | lenswipe|laptop | nsadmin, i told him and he disappeared |
| 18:38.40 | lenswipe|laptop | Ashford, poke |
| 18:38.46 | lenswipe|laptop | ic |
| 18:38.52 | Ashford | lenswipe|laptop: <3 |
| 18:38.54 | Ashford | o.o |
| 18:38.55 | cargill | rozie: hmm, i can't get network manager to reload /etc/network/interfaces, it uses the same config even after "invoke-rc.d network-manager restart" |
| 18:38.59 | ris | rozie: hmm i think its already disabled itself, as it now boots up in what looks like old fashoined VGA mode |
| 18:39.03 | lenswipe|laptop | nsadmin, thanks for the help |
| 18:39.03 | lenswipe|laptop | . |
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| 18:39.31 | Bushmills | lenswipe|laptop: if you don't plan to install apt-file yourself, you should purchase a computer with apt-file already preinstalled |
| 18:39.52 | lenswipe|laptop | Bushmills, it needs to be installed? |
| 18:39.54 | cargill | i'll try to set it up manually, then |
| 18:40.01 | Bushmills | or hire a consultant who does it for you |
| 18:40.04 | linduxed | i've got a laptop that i try to hook up to my openvpn server, it appears to connect, but then i have no internet on the laptop |
| 18:40.19 | linduxed | is there a way to check on the server that it actually connects? |
| 18:40.31 | linduxed | i can't seem to find an openvpn log file in /var/log |
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| 18:41.22 | Bushmills | lenswipe|laptop: a: trying to execute it, it can't be found. b: it is available in debian package repository. conclusion? |
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| 18:41.31 | lenswipe|laptop | hmm |
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| 18:42.09 | lenswipe|newpc | Bushmills, ok i installed it, and it told me to run apt-file update as root so i did |
| 18:42.12 | lenswipe|newpc | and i got this message: Can't get http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/Contents-i386.gz |
| 18:42.26 | stew | linduxed: the client side logs through syslog, check /var/log/syslog |
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| 18:42.38 | stew | linduxed: are you trying to route all of your connection trhough the vpn? |
| 18:43.08 | lenswipe|newpc | Bushmills, any suggestions? |
| 18:43.20 | linduxed | stew: i'm gonna route whatever nm-applet routes when i hook up with the help of it |
| 18:43.34 | Bushmills | check (and fix) your /etc/apt/sources* |
| 18:43.56 | lenswipe|newpc | what do i do to fix them? |
| 18:44.26 | stew | linduxed: only connections to other machine in the vpn itself then |
| 18:44.37 | stew | linduxed: so what do you mean by "i have no internet"? |
| 18:44.56 | linduxed | well |
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| 18:45.56 | lenswipe|newpc | Bushmills, http://pastie.org/1150704 |
| 18:45.59 | linduxed | stew: this ssh connection to the server (running weechat from it too) i started befor trying to start the VPN connection |
| 18:46.03 | linduxed | stew: so it works |
| 18:46.18 | linduxed | stew: firefox works to, and i can ping stuff |
| 18:46.19 | Bushmills | start by commenting out the offending repo |
| 18:46.33 | linduxed | stew: when i turn the VPN online, firefox dies |
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| 18:46.42 | linduxed | stew: or well, i can access no pages |
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| 18:47.18 | linduxed | stew: strangely enough i can still ping stuff.... |
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| 18:48.27 | linduxed | hmmmm |
| 18:48.30 | linduxed | now that i check |
| 18:48.51 | linduxed | tracepath shows as if i was actually connected through the VPN |
| 18:49.05 | linduxed | that makes it even more weird then |
| 18:49.12 | linduxed | so it looks like it works |
| 18:49.22 | linduxed | but firefox still doesn't work |
| 18:49.29 | linduxed | hmmm, i'll try restarting FF |
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| 18:50.01 | linduxed | nope, FF still doesn't load pages |
| 18:50.06 | lenswipe|newpc | Bushmills, which is the offending repo? |
| 18:50.37 | lenswipe|newpc | nvm |
| 18:50.37 | linduxed | could this be a client side issue or server side? |
| 18:50.37 | Bushmills | "(20:42:12) lenswipe|newpc: and i got this message: Can't get http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/Contents-i386.gz" |
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| 19:01.29 | ris | christ i hate bts |
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| 19:03.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | linuxwizard, dns? |
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| 19:09.26 | ris | so, how would i go about installing 2.6.32-20 now that -21 is the latest so i can verify it was a patch added in -21 that broke it? |
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| 19:10.16 | jhutchins_lt | !archives |
| 19:10.16 | dpkg | somebody said archive was a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For the package archive, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
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| 19:11.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | isnt that !snapshot... yes, it is :) |
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| 19:12.40 | ris | !snapshot |
| 19:12.41 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces the old http://snapshot.debian.net/ site that is no longer maintained. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
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| 19:14.11 | ris | talk about making me walk the extra mile myself ;) |
| 19:14.17 | ris | thanks anyway |
| 19:14.45 | ris | i infer what i should do is find the old .deb, install it by hand etc. ? |
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| 19:15.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | no... just go to the site, it explains how to use it |
| 19:15.34 | jhutchins_lt | ris: You want we should come install it for you or something? |
| 19:16.11 | nsadmin | in walking the extra mile, you benefit along your own journey |
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| 19:16.37 | ris | jhutchins_lt: in all fairness, had i not known about irc bots and figured that out myself i would have been buggered |
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| 19:17.03 | nsadmin | that implies the non-existance of research |
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| 19:17.45 | jhutchins_lt | ris: Well, um, good for you, and seriously I appreciate that you're taking the extra step of reporting the problem. I agree about the BTS. |
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| 19:18.06 | stribog_ | hey guys, i just installed debian on my laptop and there seems to be something wrong with aptitude |
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| 19:18.18 | stribog_ | it is missing a whole bunch of packages |
| 19:18.39 | dondelelcaro | !tell stribog_ -about bat |
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| 19:20.25 | edju | Running squeeze. I have NVidia video. Problem is, I have no virtual terminals. ctrl-alt-f1 to 6 gets me a blank screen, although c-a-f8 (yes, f8) does bring back X. I've looked for solutions but nothing I've found works. Any hints, pointers, etc. greatly appreciated. |
| 19:21.01 | Bushmills | stribog_: aptitude update |
| 19:21.15 | ris | i'm really glad im not a total noob. |
| 19:21.36 | stribog_ | yeah, I did that |
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| 19:22.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | edju, do you see the text-screen while booting? |
| 19:22.44 | ris | snapshots.debian.org <- very clever |
| 19:22.48 | stribog_ | http://paste.debian.net/89169/ |
| 19:22.54 | cargill | rozie: everything works with static address and route, but it seems that no autoconfiguration is performed by default |
| 19:22.54 | stribog_ | dondelelcaro: ^ |
| 19:23.03 | edju | CutMeOwnThroat, Yes. |
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| 19:23.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | edju, try logging in blindly (type username, enter, password, enter) a) you should see the disk work when you run "ls" afterwards and b) try installing/running SVGATextmode |
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| 19:24.11 | nsadmin | I'm getting unknown host: snapshots.debian.org |
| 19:24.20 | stribog_ | any thoughts guys? |
| 19:24.44 | abrotman | nsadmin: snapshot.d.o ? |
| 19:25.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | edju, (need to run that from the text console) |
| 19:25.14 | nsadmin | checking |
| 19:25.17 | abrotman | stribog_: you're missing your main source |
| 19:25.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | that is assuming that you are on the console and it's just not displaying properly |
| 19:25.28 | stribog_ | abrotman: how do I remedy that? |
| 19:25.34 | nsadmin | yeah that's it |
| 19:25.36 | abrotman | stribog_: moment, you're in pittsburgh? |
| 19:25.40 | stribog_ | yes |
| 19:25.47 | rozie | cargill: well, maybe network-manager issue? Anyway, you can leave static on one box |
| 19:26.10 | stribog_ | what does that matter? |
| 19:26.23 | abrotman | stribog_: "deb http://carroll.aset.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/debian/ lenny main" .. you're using lenny, right? |
| 19:26.33 | abrotman | thought pair.net had a mirror .. |
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| 19:26.47 | stribog_ | abrotman: yes |
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| 19:29.00 | jhutchins_lt | !tell stribog_ about sources |
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| 19:30.51 | Metaphysicist | Looking for a guide to get a Debian minimal install up and running with the only software installed and dependencies involved around a WM. Either OpenBox, or XFCE. |
| 19:31.22 | rozie | Metaphysicist: install base, then install xfce |
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| 19:32.08 | APAXA | Hi guys |
| 19:32.12 | APAXA | how's everyone? |
| 19:32.42 | nsadmin | * everyone :No such nick/channel |
| 19:33.14 | APAXA | guys got some questions about cron jobs / cron tab |
| 19:33.24 | nsadmin | !ask |
| 19:33.25 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 19:33.33 | APAXA | I have 2 shell scripts 1 for CHKRootkit and one for RKHunter |
| 19:33.49 | APAXA | I want to use crontab to execute these scripts at certain times |
| 19:33.54 | nsadmin | oh and please lay off the enter key |
| 19:34.30 | APAXA | i'm asssuming i can just put the following for the command "/usr/bin/rkhunter" in the command section in crontab and that's it or do i need to specify certain triggers such as --cronjob etc? |
| 19:34.32 | APAXA | sorry |
| 19:34.45 | edju | CutMeOwnThroat, No disk activity. SVGATextmode needs to be compiled, I guess? Not in the repositories. |
| 19:35.38 | nsadmin | does rkhunter accept --cronjob? |
| 19:35.49 | jhutchins_lt | edju: Try turning off framebuffer/kms |
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| 19:36.19 | APAXA | nsadmin any idea? |
| 19:36.30 | nsadmin | does rkhunter accept --cronjob? |
| 19:36.43 | stribog_ | SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory |
| 19:36.55 | stribog_ | I get that error upon running ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 19:37.02 | APAXA | well yes they do but i think its only if crontab is actually executing the job itself, i dont want that. I want to schedule crontab to execute a script instead |
| 19:37.10 | APAXA | rather then executing the job itself if it makes sense |
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| 19:37.38 | cargill | rozie: yes, might as well be a bug in Network manager, as I just got access to another debian machine running n-m 0.8-1 and that one, with almost identical configuration autoconfigures itself perfectly |
| 19:37.47 | jhutchins_lt | APAXA: chkrootkit and rkhunter should both drop scripts in /etc/cron.daily |
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| 19:37.57 | jhutchins_lt | APAXA: This should run them automatically for you. |
| 19:38.01 | dondelelcaro | stribog_: that means that wlan0 doesn't exist, normally |
| 19:38.06 | APAXA | jhutchins, i was told not to do that... |
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| 19:38.16 | dondelelcaro | stribog_: if you don't see it in the output of ifconfig -a; then you haven't configured that device |
| 19:38.36 | APAXA | as people said it would run them booth at the same time... |
| 19:38.53 | stribog_ | http://paste.debian.net/89174/ <- ifconfig -a |
| 19:39.07 | nsadmin | if rkhunter accepts --cronjob, check the meaning of --cronjob in the man page. if you wish to run rkhunter as a cronjob, you'll need to decide if you wish to feed it --cronjob. |
| 19:39.27 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: (it does) |
| 19:39.39 | jhutchins_lt | APAXA: Doesn't cause any problems for me. |
| 19:40.28 | jhutchins_lt | APAXA: In any case, you'll want to remove those files if you want to run them by some other means. |
| 19:40.51 | APAXA | jhutchins_lt |
| 19:40.56 | APAXA | what files are you talking about?? |
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| 19:41.06 | APAXA | the default files which it creates in cron.daily? |
| 19:41.11 | jhutchins_lt | Yep. |
| 19:41.23 | Metaphysicist | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:44.56 | jhutchins_lt | APAXA: I'm pretty sure that run-parts waits for each job to complete before starting the next, but I could be wrong. |
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| 19:45.30 | jelly-home | APAXA: "people" have told you wrong. scripts in /etc/cron.daily are executed sequentially |
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| 19:45.52 | jelly-home | APAXA: you will confirm this by examining /etc/crontab, and then reading the run-parts manual |
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| 19:46.34 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: man run-parts is not entirely clear on the subject. |
| 19:49.08 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: true, its behaviour could be better described |
| 19:49.47 | jhutchins_lt | APAXA: You might want to verify other things that those people have told you. |
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| 19:51.07 | edju | CutMeOwnThroat, Well, turns out I did have a console, just couldn't see it. Booted with vga=normal, and all is well now. Thanks. |
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| 19:53.05 | jhutchins_lt | This business of turning xorg into an MS-style kernel-integrated-GUI is not going all that well. |
| 19:53.41 | crazygir | question for you folks.. I have a system + CF card to install debian on, and the CF card is seen differently in the installer than when on the final installed system. Is it possible to run the installer as seen from the "final installed system" |
| 19:53.45 | jhutchins_lt | There are things that *nix does that aren't like Microsoft because we do it better. |
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| 19:54.08 | scummos | are the kde 4.5 libraries packaged yet for debian? |
| 19:54.10 | jhutchins_lt | crazygir: What's different? |
| 19:54.16 | crazygir | the device paths |
| 19:54.26 | crazygir | it causes a lot of problems that are a challenge to fix |
| 19:54.40 | crazygir | I've been able to fix it, but I'm trying to find a workaround for my techs :) |
| 19:54.41 | nsadmin | you could try using UUIDs |
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| 19:54.52 | jaggy | Question: I want to setup an account to run an ircd + services + eggdrop from, how can I disable him all the priveleges except that one? |
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| 19:55.14 | jhutchins_lt | crazygir: Which release are you installing? |
| 19:55.21 | scummos | crazygir: try blkid, and then root=UUID=<device_id> |
| 19:56.01 | crazygir | scummos: I really really want to steer clear of UUIDs |
| 19:56.08 | crazygir | jhutchins_lt: stable amd64 |
| 19:56.29 | scummos | crazygir: why? |
| 19:56.39 | nsadmin | crazygir: grub supports them |
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| 19:57.46 | jhutchins_lt | crazygir: Wild speculation here, but if you used kmuto with a more recent kernel that might be more consistent. |
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| 19:58.21 | crazygir | scummos: I would like to keep this as out of the box as possible |
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| 19:58.41 | scummos | change it to use uuids by default, wont that work? |
| 19:58.47 | crazygir | so.. back to my original question.. |
| 19:59.08 | crazygir | scummos: where is that done? |
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| 19:59.39 | scummos | crazygir: no idea. :P |
| 19:59.55 | crazygir | seee |
| 19:59.57 | crazygir | :P |
| 20:00.09 | scummos | but you could edit the grub.cfg afterwards with a like 2 line shellscript |
| 20:00.27 | nsadmin | your original question has to do with differently named devices depending on how you boot. if you don't use uuids or some similar scheme, you're stuck trying to solve the original question without them |
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| 20:00.56 | nsadmin | your choice :P |
| 20:00.57 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: The question would be how to have the installer use or set-up uuids. |
| 20:01.16 | jhutchins_lt | crazygir: I take it you end up with incorrect fstab & menu.lst entries? |
| 20:01.18 | scummos | hrmpf... is there some nice command-line frontend to apt? |
| 20:01.46 | jhutchins_lt | scummos: Yes, very nice. aptitude. |
| 20:01.51 | scummos | i mean apt-get is nice and fast and all, but it's not really... well |
| 20:02.04 | scummos | a cli, not a ncurses gui :] |
| 20:02.10 | nsadmin | there's an "apt"? |
| 20:02.12 | jhutchins_lt | !tell scummos about why aptitude |
| 20:03.11 | nsadmin | scummos: look more carefully; aptitude IS a cli |
| 20:03.20 | nsadmin | man aptitude and asee |
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| 20:03.32 | scummos | okay, okay. still, when i search there, it won't show the version numbers for example |
| 20:03.39 | scummos | i'd like to see version installed and version available |
| 20:03.59 | nsadmin | apt-cache policy <pkg> |
| 20:04.03 | jhutchins_lt | scummos: There are options. |
| 20:04.45 | scummos | oh i see... okay |
| 20:05.29 | scummos | i was more looking for something like equo from sabayonlinux |
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| 20:05.53 | nsadmin | never heard of either |
| 20:06.25 | scummos | whatever, http://img814.imageshack.us/img814/6213/rooticemensabayonhomeic.jpg |
| 20:06.33 | oh | hello i need urgent help. my server just crashed. it reports that /dev/sda2 is full which i think is the swap space. how do i "clear" it? |
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| 20:09.19 | crazygir | jhutchins_lt: yes, and I tried updating, I'm going to retry |
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| 20:09.38 | crowbar | If you are out of swap space, chances are you are out of RAM which means killing whatever process is using up all your ram. You sure /dev/sda2 is swap? |
| 20:09.40 | crazygir | my question here was mainly to figure out if there was a way to get around this |
| 20:10.43 | uc50ic4more | oh: reboot? you could also turn it OFF, then populate it with 0's... # swapoff /dev/sda2 then # dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda2 |
| 20:10.50 | oh | crowboy: i think so. RAM is at 1.97 GB total, 323.94 MB used |
| 20:10.52 | jlu | hi, i'm missing the package flashplugin-nonfree in squeeze. are there any alternatives? |
| 20:10.56 | oh | i can't reboot |
| 20:11.04 | oh | it's a dedicated server which i'm sshing into |
| 20:11.51 | uc50ic4more | oh - you could also just swapoff the device then swapon, that *should* clear it |
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| 20:12.15 | oh | i tried to switch to a different swap thing |
| 20:12.26 | oh | i don't really know what i'm doing though. the server admin is gone. |
| 20:12.42 | scummos | thats always a badIdea⢠on servers :P |
| 20:13.11 | jlu | i have contrib acctive in th sourcelist but there is only the package flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound and flashplugin-nonfree is missing. |
| 20:13.53 | uc50ic4more | jlu:flashplayer-mozilla |
| 20:14.02 | scummos | there's no kde 4.5 packages for debian, is there? |
| 20:14.13 | uc50ic4more | flashplugin-nonfree may have to come from the debian multimedia repository |
| 20:14.18 | oh | i switched to /var/swa but server isn't working still. :\\ |
| 20:14.23 | oh | /var/swap^ |
| 20:14.26 | scummos | "isnt working"? |
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| 20:14.40 | oh | mysql won't start |
| 20:14.45 | scummos | with error? |
| 20:14.49 | oh | i enabled mysql caching |
| 20:14.54 | jlu | uc50ic4more: even if i use opera? |
| 20:14.58 | oh | no it just hangs |
| 20:15.06 | scummos | decrease the cache size, maybe? |
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| 20:15.30 | oh | but it was full. i need to increase it.. |
| 20:15.37 | scummos | the mysql cache? |
| 20:15.40 | oh | no |
| 20:15.42 | oh | the site of /dev/ |
| 20:15.45 | scummos | well, you cant make it too large for your servers memory |
| 20:15.53 | oh | i have lots of GB free |
| 20:16.01 | jlu | uc50ic4more: there is no package called flashplayer-mozilla |
| 20:16.02 | scummos | of RAM or hard disk space? |
| 20:16.07 | oh | hard disk space |
| 20:16.22 | oh | and virtual memory 1.75 GB total, 0 bytes used |
| 20:16.24 | scummos | well, that's not something you want to cache to, do you? |
| 20:16.26 | oh | which i think is RAM.. |
| 20:16.37 | scummos | try free -m |
| 20:16.40 | oh | well it would be slow, right? so no then |
| 20:16.48 | scummos | yes, it would be slow |
| 20:17.08 | scummos | why not decrease the mysql cache size, /etc/my.cnf |
| 20:17.26 | uc50ic4more | jlu: first off, do you have contrib and non-free enabled in your sources.list? secondly, i am quite certain that opera and other browsers you'd install would still "find" plugins installed from repositories in mozillaplugin directories.. if not, a symlink here and there ought to fix you up |
| 20:17.27 | oh | ... |
| 20:17.35 | oh | it was full, why would i decrease it? |
| 20:17.38 | cornelinux | Hi, I got my own programm packed into a deb package. When doing a dpkg -i mypack.deb on the command line, everything is fine. Asked several configuation questions. Now I try this in preseed/late_command... the package is installed, but it is not configured. I am asked NO questions... any ideas about this? |
| 20:17.44 | jordanb | What package is decss in? |
| 20:17.46 | scummos | oh: your RAM was full. |
| 20:17.56 | scummos | oh: the MySQL cache is ALWAYS full, regardless of how large you make it. |
| 20:18.04 | scummos | that's what a cache is for, basically |
| 20:18.15 | oh | ....right |
| 20:18.15 | scummos | so allow MySQL to use up less memory to increase the amount of free memory on your system |
| 20:18.20 | jlu | uc50ic4more: yes i have contrib and non-free enabled |
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| 20:18.35 | oh | it's still reporting 100% full |
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| 20:18.42 | scummos | what is? |
| 20:18.45 | oh | /dev/sda2 1.9G 1.8G 0 100% / |
| 20:18.52 | uc50ic4more | jlu: lenny or squeeze? |
| 20:18.55 | scummos | you sure you killed mysql? |
| 20:18.57 | scummos | *mysqld |
| 20:18.59 | oh | yes |
| 20:18.59 | jlu | uc50ic4more: squeeze |
| 20:19.03 | scummos | all of them? |
| 20:19.18 | scummos | mkay, tried (h)top to look at what is actually using up the memory? |
| 20:19.27 | scummos | or ps aux |
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| 20:19.48 | oh | ah, it was running even though i ran the command to turn it off |
| 20:19.53 | uc50ic4more | jlu: i would suggest that you add the debian multimedia repository to your sources.list.. i *thought* there might be an official flash player in the non-free section, but it appears as though i am off the mark, there |
| 20:19.59 | scummos | yes, that's why i asked. :] |
| 20:20.06 | jelly-home | cornelinux: did you preseed the debconf answers for your package as well? |
| 20:20.07 | oh | still at 100% though :| |
| 20:20.12 | scummos | ps aux, top, htop |
| 20:20.19 | scummos | and see what actually uses the memory |
| 20:20.22 | scummos | then kill that xD |
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| 20:20.45 | cornelinux | jelly-home. Oh - I need to preseed them -empty-? (as i want to answer the questions on install time)? |
| 20:21.01 | oh | Real memory: 1.97 GB total / 1.68 GB free Swap space: 1.75 GB total / 1.75 GB free.. |
| 20:21.41 | scummos | oh: run htop. please. |
| 20:21.42 | oh | it's still reporting 100% and mysql won't start :| |
| 20:21.52 | scummos | or ps aux. or top. or whatever |
| 20:22.00 | oh | i did |
| 20:22.03 | oh | mysql isn't running |
| 20:22.15 | jlu | uc50ic4more: thank you i will try it |
| 20:22.24 | scummos | oh: check what uses up the memory |
| 20:22.38 | scummos | those commands show the memory used |
| 20:22.38 | oh | nothing is above 1% |
| 20:22.41 | oh | i know dude |
| 20:22.43 | scummos | wtf? |
| 20:22.55 | scummos | okay that's strange, do you want to pastebin ps aux? :] |
| 20:23.00 | oh | mmmk |
| 20:23.14 | scummos | and are you absolutely sure /dev/sdb2 is your swapspace? |
| 20:23.18 | oh | no.. |
| 20:23.24 | oh | i told you i switched it to /var/swap |
| 20:23.34 | jelly-home | cornelinux: oh, you don't know the answers yet? Then there's nothing to put in. |
| 20:24.19 | scummos | oh: did you check with "moun" if you have, for example, space free on your root device? |
| 20:24.28 | cornelinux | jelly-home: Sometimes it is so good, to just talk about it. Indeed at the end of my preseed file there were all the preseed configs for my package. *argh* Thanks a lot! |
| 20:24.33 | scummos | *mount |
| 20:24.49 | oh | root device? |
| 20:25.07 | scummos | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:25.30 | oh | yes i have free space.. |
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| 20:27.14 | scummos | and you really cannot reboot? |
| 20:27.49 | oh | i'd need to contact my host.. |
| 20:27.51 | jlu | uc50ic4more: there is also no package for flash in the multimedia repos |
| 20:27.52 | jhutchins_lt | jlu: You're running 64b, aren't you? |
| 20:27.55 | oh | and the site would go down.. |
| 20:28.11 | scummos | oh: if mysql isnt running the site is down right now, isnt it |
| 20:28.27 | jlu | jhutchins_lt: i'm running an i386. |
| 20:28.48 | valdyn | oh: why is your / partition only 2GB? |
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| 20:28.51 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions flashplugin-nonfree |
| 20:28.52 | judd | flashplugin-nonfree -- etch-backports/contrib: 1:1.4~bpo40+1; lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.8.1~bpo50+1; sid/contrib: 1:2.8.1 |
| 20:29.00 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions flashplugin-mozilla |
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| 20:29.01 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'flashplugin-mozilla' was found. |
| 20:29.08 | oh | static: some of the site is html only |
| 20:29.13 | oh | valdyn: it's not? |
| 20:29.25 | uc50ic4more | jlu: how are you going about looking for flash? synaptic? |
| 20:29.26 | oh | listen i ran some thing from a tutorial that might be the problem |
| 20:29.47 | valdyn | oh: "oh> /dev/sda2 1.9G 1.8G 0 100% / " tells us that it is less than 2GB |
| 20:29.48 | scummos | : () { : & : ; } ; & |
| 20:29.50 | scummos | ? |
| 20:29.54 | oh | i run this sudo /sbin/swapoff /dev/sda2 |
| 20:29.56 | oh | ran^ |
| 20:30.08 | oh | valdyn, the RAM is 2 GB |
| 20:30.11 | jlu | uc50ic4more: i used aptitude search flash |
| 20:30.25 | valdyn | oh: i know, but i did not ask about your ram |
| 20:31.19 | scummos | oh: how about this. you paste the output of mount, fdisk -l, ps aux to pastebin.com, and we look if we find something suspicious there |
| 20:31.27 | jlu | uc50ic4more: i looked at packages.debian.org and it seems flashplugin-nonfree is only in sid and lenny-backports |
| 20:31.27 | uc50ic4more | jlu: ouch, that is what i was going to suggest!.. if you've contrib and non-free in your sources, and you have added the debian multimedia repository (which i know has flash) then i am at a loss! is there a chance that you've instructed aptitude to somehow ignore this package? i wonder is trying apt-get or synaptic would help |
| 20:31.36 | oh | scummos: i tried to change the swap space using dphys-swapfile. |
| 20:31.46 | valdyn | oh: why are you doing this? |
| 20:32.02 | oh | because mysql crashed because it took up too much memory |
| 20:32.03 | valdyn | oh: what you pasted is precise info, you can run df again and look again. |
| 20:32.05 | oh | and it won't start |
| 20:32.13 | valdyn | oh: thats nonsense |
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| 20:32.29 | jlu | uc50ic4more: i looked at the package list of debian-multimedia.org and there is nothing fpr flash |
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| 20:33.01 | jhutchins_lt | jlu: You're testing squeeze, right? |
| 20:33.14 | jlu | jhutchins_lt: yes |
| 20:33.35 | jhutchins_lt | jlu: So, you found a problem. Congratulations! That's what squeeze is for! |
| 20:33.42 | scummos | oh: did mysql actually use up much memory? |
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| 20:33.46 | valdyn | oh: mysql crashed because your disk is full makes more sense |
| 20:33.53 | scummos | it won't crash |
| 20:34.00 | scummos | it just returns error 18 for every query |
| 20:34.01 | oh | scummos: wait i'm uploading to pasebin |
| 20:34.04 | scummos | okay |
| 20:34.04 | oh | paste |
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| 20:34.42 | ZenWalker | hi |
| 20:34.52 | ZenWalker | why package flashplugin-nonfree is deleted on squeeze? |
| 20:35.07 | jhutchins_lt | Heh. Second one to ask in the past five minutes. |
| 20:35.13 | valdyn | !flash |
| 20:35.13 | dpkg | Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations, ask about <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. http://wiki.debian.org/Flash |
| 20:35.23 | oh | scummos: http://pastebin.com/hAf31Xyh |
| 20:35.39 | kdasdasf | hi i'm currently using debian lenny with a application which depends on the zend optimizer (which isn't available for php 5.3). but i need a newer mysql version which is included in debian sqeeze, but not available via the backports. whats the preferred way to get a new mysql version without having to upgrade php from 5.2 to 5.3? |
| 20:36.06 | valdyn | oh: add the output for "df" |
| 20:36.14 | abrotman | ZenWalker: are you on amd64? |
| 20:36.30 | ZenWalker | abrotman: no |
| 20:36.38 | abrotman | ZenWalker: see the above URL |
| 20:36.42 | jhutchins_lt | !tell kdasdasf about ssb |
| 20:36.51 | scummos | oh: yes, df would be nice too. and: "/dev/sda2 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)" |
| 20:36.59 | oh | added http://pastebin.com/hqAKQszu |
| 20:37.03 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: It's disappeared from squeeze x86. |
| 20:37.12 | scummos | lol oh |
| 20:37.16 | scummos | your root device is full |
| 20:37.20 | scummos | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:37.26 | oh | i know.. |
| 20:37.28 | scummos | it's only 2 GB large! as we said |
| 20:37.29 | kdasdasf | jhutchins_lt, you suggest to compile the package from debian squeeze under debian lenny? |
| 20:37.30 | oh | how do i clear it |
| 20:37.33 | scummos | wtf |
| 20:37.36 | oh | or make it bigger or whatever |
| 20:37.36 | scummos | clear your root device? |
| 20:37.40 | kdasdasf | because the sources aren't available via backports, eighter |
| 20:37.42 | oh | i don't know dude |
| 20:37.47 | scummos | your root device |
| 20:37.49 | scummos | is where... everything is |
| 20:37.50 | valdyn | oh: why did you create such funny partition layout? |
| 20:37.52 | scummos | the whole OS |
| 20:37.55 | scummos | yes, why did you? :P |
| 20:37.57 | jlu | jhutchins_lt: it is also missing in lenny |
| 20:37.58 | oh | valdyn: it came like this |
| 20:38.03 | scummos | basically 15GB is a good size for / |
| 20:38.07 | scummos | at the very least |
| 20:38.08 | valdyn | oh: try "apt-get clean" |
| 20:38.25 | scummos | oh: create another partition, and move /opt or /usr there |
| 20:38.34 | scummos | that's a common way to free up space |
| 20:38.34 | oh | i ran it and nothing happened |
| 20:38.40 | scummos | be sure to edit /etc/fstab |
| 20:38.58 | oh | scummos: i'd probably screw it up |
| 20:39.01 | valdyn | oh: did that not free diskspace? |
| 20:39.09 | oh | no, df reports the same |
| 20:39.20 | scummos | oh there's also a /usr and /opt partition |
| 20:39.29 | valdyn | oh: ok, run "du -hs /tmp" and "du -hs /var/log" |
| 20:39.51 | scummos | oh yeah, check your logrotate config |
| 20:40.08 | oh | 69M /tmp |
| 20:40.14 | oh | 201M /var/log |
| 20:40.18 | oh | apache logs are disabled |
| 20:40.19 | scummos | mh |
| 20:40.20 | valdyn | oh: if that does not list significant amounts of space, run "dh -hsx /*" |
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| 20:40.36 | scummos | *du? |
| 20:40.47 | scummos | *du |
| 20:40.50 | valdyn | oh: thats alot of log date, but not suspicious |
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| 20:41.07 | valdyn | oh: "du -hsx /*" even |
| 20:41.15 | jhutchins_lt | jlu: I'd be surprized at that, I installed it yesterday. |
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| 20:41.30 | oh | valdyn: bigger is /etc/ with 92M |
| 20:41.40 | oh | biggest^ |
| 20:41.58 | oh | also it's crashed/still running |
| 20:41.59 | scummos | oO |
| 20:42.07 | scummos | you said /var/log has 201M |
| 20:42.07 | valdyn | oh: that does not make sense |
| 20:42.11 | uc50ic4more | jlu: yes, i am at a total loss why you're unable to find it |
| 20:42.14 | scummos | so /etc can't be biggest with 92 |
| 20:42.18 | valdyn | oh: mind that G is > M |
| 20:42.25 | valdyn | yea, it cant |
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| 20:42.36 | oh | http://pastebin.com/gt3kXwJN |
| 20:42.38 | valdyn | oh: paste the whole output for "du -hsx /*" |
| 20:42.49 | oh | i just did |
| 20:43.13 | valdyn | oh: ok, "du -hsx /.*" please |
| 20:43.38 | oh | 1.8G /. |
| 20:43.38 | oh | 1.8G /.. |
| 20:43.39 | scummos | oh: it's still running oO |
| 20:43.46 | oh | i ended it |
| 20:43.51 | scummos | why did you! |
| 20:43.54 | scummos | let it run, wtf :D |
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| 20:43.58 | jlu | uc50ic4more: http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=all&arch=i386&searchon=names&keywords=flashplugin |
| 20:43.59 | oh | because it was running for ages? |
| 20:44.03 | scummos | of course it was |
| 20:44.07 | valdyn | oh: why is your /opt not listed? |
| 20:44.12 | scummos | valdyn: he cancelled it |
| 20:44.14 | jhutchins_lt | jlu: There was a security issue with the stable version, it was removed, but you can use the one from backports. Not sure what's going on with squeeze, you'll probably just have to wait for them to build it. That's squeeze. |
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| 20:44.18 | scummos | oh: re-run it and wait until it finishes. |
| 20:44.22 | oh | right then |
| 20:44.26 | oh | all this really isn't helping |
| 20:44.27 | valdyn | oh: that should have been listed before |
| 20:44.33 | oh | i just want mysql to start. |
| 20:44.37 | scummos | valdyn: /opt is on another partition |
| 20:44.41 | scummos | oh: free up space on / then. |
| 20:44.46 | oh | listen |
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| 20:44.47 | scummos | to do this, find out what uses most space, and delete that |
| 20:44.48 | oh | i don't know how |
| 20:44.57 | oh | i barely use linux |
| 20:45.00 | scummos | oh: we tell you. du -hsx /.* |
| 20:45.05 | scummos | and see what actually uses up the space |
| 20:45.06 | valdyn | scummos: on which partition? i cant see it in df |
| 20:45.22 | valdyn | oh: maybe you should an expert set up mysql for you |
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| 20:45.34 | oh | i set up mysql/apache |
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| 20:45.39 | oh | it's the linux part i'm not good at |
| 20:45.41 | scummos | valdyn: oh you're right actually, there isn't an /opt partition |
| 20:45.56 | valdyn | oh: ls -ld /opt |
| 20:45.57 | scummos | oh: sorry for the question, but why are you administrating a server then? :D |
| 20:45.57 | oh | /opt is the xampp part |
| 20:46.08 | oh | because the server admin isn't online and i need to fix it myself? |
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| 20:46.14 | scummos | oh, okay |
| 20:46.16 | valdyn | oh: why is opt not listed in your output for du -hs /* ? |
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| 20:46.32 | valdyn | oh: because you interrupted it both times? |
| 20:46.34 | joshsmith | I'm getting a 302 redirect on an apt-get install. How can I go about just installing the pkg manually? |
| 20:46.34 | scummos | oh: du -hsx /opt |
| 20:46.37 | oh | http://pastebin.com/2JXAJ8Xc |
| 20:46.39 | oh | there it ran fully |
| 20:46.50 | scummos | okay |
| 20:46.56 | scummos | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:47.08 | scummos | du -hsx /opt/* ? :P |
| 20:47.13 | ems | oh. why the question mark after your answer. stop being a damn snot |
| 20:47.16 | valdyn | oh: your /var is nearly full too, thats going to bite you too |
| 20:47.37 | oh | nah, it doesn't increase valdyn |
| 20:47.43 | scummos | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:47.57 | oh | 1.6G /opt/lampp |
| 20:48.00 | scummos | oh: use du -shx to track down what in /opt uses up all that space |
| 20:48.07 | oh | it's one folder in it |
| 20:48.08 | scummos | yes, okay, now du -shx /opt/lampp/* |
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| 20:48.29 | Gm4n | My lenny box has postfix/dovecot with virtual users. I want to have an address both forward (use an alias) and accept into a local mailbox. Any ideas? |
| 20:48.38 | oh | http://pastebin.com/qcdp3gT5 |
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| 20:48.46 | valdyn | oh: you need to move your opt somewhere else |
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| 20:48.59 | valdyn | oh: only place with free space i can see is /home |
| 20:49.02 | dominicus | how can i see users who are sftp'd into my server to kick them off? |
| 20:49.03 | scummos | no see |
| 20:49.04 | jhutchins_lt | jlu: ZenWalker: Get it figured out yet? |
| 20:49.06 | scummos | there's 1.1 GB lampp logs |
| 20:49.07 | oh | it's the default install location for xampp |
| 20:49.10 | thewanderer1 | dominicus: w |
| 20:49.11 | scummos | why the hell |
| 20:49.14 | valdyn | ah |
| 20:49.15 | scummos | are you using xampp |
| 20:49.17 | scummos | on linux |
| 20:49.18 | scummos | btw? |
| 20:49.23 | oh | because i had problems with apache/mysql |
| 20:49.28 | jelly-home | !tell scummos about enter |
| 20:49.31 | Gm4n | dominicus: I think you can ps ax | grep sftp, then kill stuff |
| 20:49.37 | Gm4n | not the cleanest method, though |
| 20:49.38 | scummos | now you're having problems with xampp, oh :P |
| 20:49.42 | jhutchins_lt | oh: You told us you knew all about apache/mysql. |
| 20:49.44 | oh | nah, different problems |
| 20:49.46 | scummos | !tell jelly-home about i dont care :P |
| 20:49.50 | oh | nah i said i installed it |
| 20:50.02 | valdyn | if he knew he would be using the debian packages anyway |
| 20:50.14 | thewanderer1 | I have ssh running on a host, but "ssh host" just waits forever and I can't connect |
| 20:50.28 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: firewall? |
| 20:50.31 | thewanderer1 | nope |
| 20:50.35 | scummos | oh: i propose moving some files from /opt/lampp/logs to /home. |
| 20:50.36 | jhutchins_lt | nmap it. |
| 20:50.39 | thewanderer1 | ssh open |
| 20:50.40 | oh | so how do i clear the memory |
| 20:50.43 | jelly-home | scummos: just... be polite to others if you're able to |
| 20:50.45 | valdyn | thewanderer1: "telnet host 22" |
| 20:50.51 | thewanderer1 | I'm already connected over a second connection |
| 20:50.59 | scummos | oh: it's stupid, but it will probably fix your problem |
| 20:51.11 | valdyn | oh: remove the log files in /opt and fix the logging spam |
| 20:51.11 | oh | oh wow |
| 20:51.15 | thewanderer1 | SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.5p1 Debian-4 -- this is what I got on that port |
| 20:51.17 | oh | need to disable logging |
| 20:51.18 | scummos | jelly-home: i'm trying to. but sorry, telling me about how to format my messages and saying no other word in this discussion really is *not* polite |
| 20:51.34 | oh | access_log is 111GB lol |
| 20:51.38 | oh | or MB possibly |
| 20:51.41 | oh | or 1.1GB even |
| 20:51.57 | dominicus | Gm4n: yeah, that'll let me kill the sftp server, but I wouldn't know how to get it restarted again afterwards. |
| 20:51.57 | valdyn | oh: so you have no logrotate at all |
| 20:52.11 | valdyn | oh: this is why you should use debian packages, or just one reason anyway |
| 20:52.13 | Gm4n | dominicus: sftp-server is spawned off on request from clients, iirc |
| 20:52.14 | scummos | jelly-home: also, i'm not using enter as punctuation all the time. i did it exactly once as emphasis, so there's really no reason to tell the bot tell me to stop that. |
| 20:52.39 | scummos | oh: move that log to /home |
| 20:52.54 | Gm4n | dominicus: yeah, I just checked. There's one sftp-server for each logged in sftp client |
| 20:52.54 | oh | i just deleted it |
| 20:53.00 | scummos | okay :D |
| 20:53.02 | jhutchins_lt | Gm4n: That means it's in inetd/xinetd. |
| 20:53.04 | scummos | now start mysql |
| 20:53.09 | scummos | and next time use a larger root device |
| 20:53.23 | thewanderer1 | the last thing I see is: debug1: SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_ACCEPT received |
| 20:53.31 | thewanderer1 | then the SSH client just does nothing |
| 20:53.42 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: server logs? |
| 20:53.43 | thewanderer1 | I have access to the server, how to debug that from there? |
| 20:54.11 | thewanderer1 | auth.log says nothing useful |
| 20:54.30 | oh | phew |
| 20:54.30 | oh | it starts now |
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| 20:54.30 | oh | access.log was the problem |
| 20:54.30 | jelly-home | scummos: good, you'll remember to avoid it in the future, so it serves its purpose regardless of my abrasiveness |
| 20:54.39 | dominicus | Gm4n: Okay. I'm noticing that the userID for each of those sft-server processes is corresponding to the userID for the user I want to punt. Cool. good stuff. Thank you. |
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| 20:54.47 | Gm4n | no problem :) |
| 20:55.08 | dominicus | Gm4n: I love learning new ways to abuse my linux powers. |
| 20:55.17 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: ssh localhost on sever? |
| 20:56.11 | scummos | jelly-home: i already did avoid it, and my future doing is unrelated to what you told me. what you did was impolite; in fact, it was what is commonly reffered to as "trolling". |
| 20:56.13 | jhutchins_lt | oh: Read up on logrotate. |
| 20:56.22 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: localhost works ok |
| 20:56.24 | valdyn | thewanderer1: start a new ssh server on the server, in a terminal "sshd -p some_poart -ddd" ( see manpage for -d meaning ) |
| 20:56.45 | valdyn | thewanderer1: debugging on client side is way inferior |
| 20:56.55 | scummos | jelly-home: i really don't want to fight a flamewar, you started that. peace? :P |
| 20:57.15 | jelly-home | scummos: *nod* |
| 20:57.16 | thewanderer1 | debug3: Trying to reverse map address 192.168.27.1. |
| 20:57.19 | scummos | :] |
| 20:57.36 | scummos | see you later... |
| 20:57.45 | valdyn | thewanderer1: thats a sshd setting to do reverse lookups? |
| 20:58.08 | thewanderer1 | I have no idea, running the default config |
| 20:58.42 | thewanderer1 | the problem is at the host side, though - another machine, same debian release works ok |
| 20:58.43 | smacnay | anyone using Gnome with Evolution and Nautilus and not getting the "mailto" from nautilus to pull up Evolution with an attachment to send? |
| 20:58.47 | valdyn | thewanderer1: maybe it always does this and its hanging because your servers name resolver is hanging |
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| 20:58.58 | lenswipe|newpc | hey guys |
| 20:59.02 | valdyn | thewanderer1: instead of simply failing as it should |
| 20:59.09 | lenswipe|newpc | im having issues with an nvidia 200 series and debian |
| 20:59.25 | lenswipe|newpc | the res wont go higher than 1024x768 and im getting kernel oops notifications every time i login |
| 20:59.35 | lenswipe|newpc | i dont know if the two faults are related but id sure appreciate some help |
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| 21:00.16 | jaggy | Hey again :D Is there a way to start a script at startup as a different user then root? |
| 21:00.53 | valdyn | jaggy: man su |
| 21:01.09 | thewanderer1 | how to do a reverse lookup to verify that? |
| 21:01.10 | lenswipe|newpc | anyone??? |
| 21:01.27 | valdyn | thewanderer1: "host name" ( forward ) "host ip" ( reverse ) |
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| 21:02.05 | valdyn | thewanderer1: Host 5.5.168.192.in-addr.arpa. not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) should be instantly pretty much |
| 21:02.08 | lenswipe|newpc | hello? |
| 21:02.43 | Bushmills | dig -x for reverse lookup |
| 21:02.46 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe|newpc: Which relasee? |
| 21:02.49 | thewanderer1 | Host 1.27.168.192.in-addr.arpa. not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) |
| 21:02.54 | thewanderer1 | instant |
| 21:02.57 | valdyn | Bushmills: but dig uses its own resolver |
| 21:02.59 | lenswipe|newpc | jhutchins_lt, lenny |
| 21:03.02 | jaggy | valdyn, so a simple su -c command will do? |
| 21:03.22 | lenswipe|newpc | jhutchins_lt, i was on earlier asking and someone was helping me, but everyone drifted away and i fell asleep and then my internet died...soo.....yeah :P |
| 21:03.25 | valdyn | jaggy: now that would not change the user, would it |
| 21:03.34 | jaggy | su user -c comand xD sorry |
| 21:04.02 | Bushmills | i just read "how to do a reverse lookup to verify that?" - i have actually no idea what "that" relates to :) |
| 21:04.03 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe|newpc: Turn off framebuffer/kms |
| 21:04.25 | tholl583xx | hi |
| 21:04.25 | thewanderer1 | Bushmills: my SSH was hanging and it still is when connecting to a host |
| 21:04.44 | tholl583xx | its looks more complicated to set kernel boot options on debs that redhat |
| 21:04.50 | lenswipe|newpc | jhutchins_lt, how? |
| 21:05.00 | thewanderer1 | and the last message I get on the server with sshd -ddd is this: debug3: Trying to reverse map address 192.168.27.1. |
| 21:05.07 | tholl583xx | any suggestions on where i should be looking to do that for docs |
| 21:05.09 | Bushmills | ssh -vvvv remote_host any more informative? |
| 21:05.19 | valdyn | tholl583xx: on which boot manager? |
| 21:05.23 | jhutchins_lt | tholl583xx: grub is grub |
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| 21:05.43 | valdyn | only debian uses that meta config in the menu.lst i suppose |
| 21:06.12 | valdyn | Bushmills: sshd -vvvv on the *server* is alot more useful |
| 21:06.20 | jelly-home | one of the dumber things I've seen comments in a config file be used for |
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| 21:06.52 | valdyn | fortunately thats fixed for grub2 anyway |
| 21:07.06 | lenswipe|newpc | jhutchins_lt, how do i turn off frame buffer? |
| 21:07.11 | tholl583xx | valdyn: grub |
| 21:07.14 | jelly-home | valdyn: "only" debian means "debian and 20 derivatives" these days |
| 21:07.44 | valdyn | tholl583xx: edit the line containing "kopt" in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 21:07.52 | valdyn | tholl583xx: after that run "update-grub" |
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| 21:08.22 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe|newpc: vga=normal on boot command |
| 21:08.45 | cesurasean | Anyone know if this problem has been fixed in the newer version of kannel? - Warning: The home dir /usr/lib/kannel you specified can't be accessed: No such file or directory |
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| 21:08.56 | cesurasean | apt-get install kannel does not seem to install successfully. :( |
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| 21:09.07 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe|newpc: I think nvidia uses kms too. Which kernel? |
| 21:09.11 | valdyn | cesurasean: seems easy enough to fix |
| 21:09.31 | lenswipe|newpc | jhutchins_lt, im using a backbort |
| 21:09.31 | valdyn | nvidia? kms? certainly not |
| 21:09.34 | cesurasean | valdyn, how so? |
| 21:09.44 | valdyn | cesurasean: "mkdir /usr/lib/kannel" |
| 21:09.53 | cesurasean | valdyn, then reinstall? |
| 21:09.55 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe|newpc: WHICH kernel? |
| 21:09.57 | tholl583xx | jhutchins_lt: on f13 there is a grub.lst file |
| 21:10.06 | valdyn | cesurasean: yea, tias |
| 21:10.07 | lenswipe|newpc | jhutchins_lt, 2.6.3.2 |
| 21:10.26 | tholl583xx | oops |
| 21:10.29 | valdyn | tholl583xx: thats for grub2 |
| 21:10.30 | cesurasean | valdyn, good idea. i'll give it a try and see if the install works. hopefully you are right. |
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| 21:10.35 | tholl583xx | i see |
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| 21:10.47 | valdyn | tholl583xx: err or probably not, grub.cfg is grub2 |
| 21:11.00 | valdyn | tholl583xx: grub.lst could be a red hat ism |
| 21:11.02 | thewanderer1 | I'm getting strange behaviour with ssh |
| 21:11.15 | jhutchins_lt | tholl583xx: Does it look like /boot/grub/menu.lst? |
| 21:11.24 | jhutchins_lt | valdyn: rh uses grub.lst |
| 21:11.43 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 21:11.44 | thewanderer1 | sshd is listening on port 4321. ssh root@host -p 4321 doesn't respond. I ctrl+C it, then try to connect the second time, but this time I get "connection refused" |
| 21:11.45 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.35-trunk-686 (2.6.35-1~experimental.3); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-21); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-21); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-21~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-25); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
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| 21:12.03 | valdyn | tholl583xx: thats ok |
| 21:12.09 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe|newpc: Obvious question: does it have trouble if you boot to .26? |
| 21:12.13 | valdyn | tholl583xx: your command line server terminates after one connection |
| 21:12.22 | aarkerio | hi! what installer should I download for an intel core i5 processor? |
| 21:12.27 | valdyn | oops |
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| 21:12.30 | valdyn | thewanderer1: ^^ |
| 21:12.33 | dboehmer | hello |
| 21:12.39 | valdyn | aarkerio: amd64 |
| 21:12.39 | dboehmer | i am configuring local bind9 |
| 21:12.44 | thewanderer1 | valdyn: oh, ok |
| 21:12.49 | aarkerio | thx!! |
| 21:12.56 | cesurasean | valdyn, it didn't spit out the error this time, but nothing exists in that directory. :/ |
| 21:12.58 | dboehmer | after working on DDNS i cannot reconfigure bind |
| 21:13.12 | lenswipe|newpc | jhutchins_lt, i dont know how to boot into .26 |
| 21:13.14 | valdyn | cesurasean: i dont know if thats a problem, maybe it isnt |
| 21:13.26 | cesurasean | me either |
| 21:13.29 | cesurasean | how do i find out? |
| 21:13.31 | dboehmer | bind says my rndc.key was wrong but i have commented out any ddns/rndc stuff |
| 21:13.38 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe|newpc: Should be in the list when grub starts. |
| 21:13.38 | cesurasean | packages.debian.org? |
| 21:13.40 | lenswipe|newpc | jhutchins_lt, if its any help i tried the stock debian install and it wouldnt detect the SATA controller or the GFX card |
| 21:13.43 | dboehmer | what to do in order to get working bind again? |
| 21:13.45 | lenswipe|newpc | jhutchins_lt, ok ill try it... |
| 21:13.47 | lenswipe|newpc | brb |
| 21:13.47 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe|newpc: What procedure did you follow for the nvidia drivers? |
| 21:13.53 | lenswipe|newpc | jhutchins_lt, i didnt install any |
| 21:13.53 | valdyn | cesurasean: read the documentation, starting with /usr/share/doc/kannel/README.Debian* |
| 21:13.58 | lenswipe|newpc | jhutchins_lt, i dont know how to install any |
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| 21:14.02 | lenswipe|newpc | or where to get then |
| 21:14.09 | jhutchins_lt | !tell lenswipe|newpc about radeon |
| 21:14.25 | jhutchins_lt | !tell lenswipe|newpc about nvidia |
| 21:14.34 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe|newpc: Sorry, nvidia, not radeon. |
| 21:14.45 | cesurasean | valdyn, thanks |
| 21:14.48 | karlpinc | dboehmer: Did you restart the daemon? What do the logs say? |
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| 21:14.56 | lenswipe|newpc | jhutchins_lt, everyone on here kept telling me to run commands that did nothing and got me further into dependancy hell |
| 21:15.10 | dboehmer | karlpinc, i restarted bind a thousand times |
| 21:15.17 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe|newpc: That's the trouble with irc. |
| 21:15.24 | lenswipe|newpc | agrees |
| 21:15.31 | lenswipe|newpc | dboehmer, that sounds familiar |
| 21:15.33 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe|newpc: Much better to have a guide to follow, as dpkg showed you. |
| 21:15.48 | cesurasean | valdyn, i looked at http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/i386/kannel/filelist, and it doesn't show anything going into that directory. do you agree? |
| 21:15.48 | lenswipe|newpc | yeah |
| 21:16.17 | jhutchins_lt | dboehmer: dpkg-reconfigure bind9? |
| 21:16.28 | valdyn | cesurasean: yea |
| 21:16.50 | cesurasean | valdyn, thanks for your help thus far. i needed it. :P |
| 21:16.55 | valdyn | cesurasean: "/etc/init.d/kannel start" |
| 21:16.56 | lenswipe|newpc | jhutchins_lt, along with commands that did this: E: Couldn't find package xserver-xorg-video-nouveau |
| 21:17.00 | thewanderer1 | uh uh, I can't login over ssh... |
| 21:17.02 | dboehmer | jhujhiti, thanks for the hint. i just found a bug entry suggesting to change owner of rndc.key |
| 21:17.07 | thewanderer1 | the server is idling |
| 21:17.24 | valdyn | lenswipe|newpc: youre not on lenny? |
| 21:17.29 | cesurasean | valdyn, Starting WAP gateway: bearerbox wapbox. |
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| 21:17.36 | lenswipe|newpc | valdyn, yes i am |
| 21:17.37 | cesurasean | sound i ps aux to see if it's running? |
| 21:17.40 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe|newpc: I'm trying to be genericly helpful, but I do not have any nvidia (or radeon) graphics, so I don't really know. |
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| 21:17.48 | lenswipe|newpc | jhutchins_lt, ah right thank |
| 21:17.51 | lenswipe|newpc | jhutchins_lt, ah right thanks* |
| 21:18.05 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions xserver-xorg-video-nouveau |
| 21:18.05 | cesurasean | it most def. looks like it's running! :) |
| 21:18.08 | judd | xserver-xorg-video-nouveau -- sid: 1:0.0.15+git20100329+7858345-4; squeeze: 1:0.0.15+git20100329+7858345-4; experimental: 1:0.0.16+git20100825+390f1c8-1 |
| 21:18.17 | valdyn | lenswipe|newpc: stick to what dpkg told you |
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| 21:18.46 | valdyn | lenswipe|newpc: i think that guide even includes how to get newer than lenny nvidia drivers, which you probably need |
| 21:18.55 | lenswipe|newpc | valdyn, i am doing |
| 21:19.00 | thewanderer1 | how to fix a misbehaving ssh server? |
| 21:19.03 | lenswipe|newpc | thats where the error comes from |
| 21:19.09 | thewanderer1 | /etc/init.d/ssh restart doesn't do any good |
| 21:19.17 | lenswipe|newpc | valdyn, i run the second command in that tutorial and it doesnt work |
| 21:19.21 | valdyn | thewanderer1: show us the server log, gathered as i told you |
| 21:19.33 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Does it in fact restart? Have you enabled verbose debugging? |
| 21:19.44 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Are you sure the port is open on both systems? |
| 21:19.47 | valdyn | lenswipe|newpc: help me help you, paste command and output |
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| 21:19.59 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: yes, completely and absolutely sure |
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| 21:20.14 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Does nmap show it? |
| 21:20.18 | lenswipe|newpc | valdyn, http://pastebin.com/VrxMmBqD |
| 21:20.18 | valdyn | thewanderer1: between client and server is what? a lan? dsl? |
| 21:20.44 | thewanderer1 | valdyn: a cat5e cable directly |
| 21:21.01 | valdyn | lenswipe|newpc: im sure that guide does not give you that instruction for lenny |
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| 21:21.02 | thewanderer1 | I can even see the version prompt over telnet |
| 21:21.09 | lenswipe|newpc | valdyn, it sure does |
| 21:21.14 | lenswipe|newpc | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#freedrivers |
| 21:21.22 | lenswipe|newpc | see the second beige box cown |
| 21:21.39 | lenswipe|newpc | valdyn, http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Nouveau |
| 21:21.40 | valdyn | lenswipe|newpc: "In addition to vesa and nv, Debian will contain the Nouveau drivers starting with squeeze." |
| 21:21.45 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: Ok. So check the logs and run ssh on the client side with -vvv or some such. |
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| 21:22.02 | lenswipe|newpc | valdyn, so thats only for squeeze users? |
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| 21:22.16 | valdyn | lenswipe|newpc: and on top of that "These drivers are experimental and not recommended, unless you arehaving issues with the nv driver and don't want to use the nvidia drivers. " |
| 21:22.25 | lenswipe|newpc | ok |
| 21:23.18 | thewanderer1 | karlpinc: client logs, a few last lines: http://paste.debian.net/89197/ |
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| 21:24.49 | thewanderer1 | server log, a few last lines: http://paste.debian.net/89198/ - unable to scroll up |
| 21:25.12 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: Nothing jumps out on the client side.... |
| 21:25.12 | valdyn | judd: versions nvidia-glx |
| 21:25.15 | judd | nvidia-glx -- etch/non-free: 1.0.8776-4; lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5; squeeze/non-free: 195.36.24-4; sid/non-free: 195.36.31-3 |
| 21:25.33 | karlpinc | !tell thewanderer1 about pastebinit |
| 21:25.39 | jaggy | su ircd -c exec /home/ircd/Unreal3.2/unreal start <--- why won't that start unreal??? |
| 21:25.48 | thewanderer1 | karlpinc: thanks, doing that |
| 21:25.57 | valdyn | lenswipe|newpc: i would recommend you upgrade your system to squeeze, as squeeze is already nearing release |
| 21:26.03 | valdyn | lenswipe|newpc: unless this is a server system |
| 21:26.55 | jhutchins_lt | valdyn: There are some pretty significant issues in squeeze right now. |
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| 21:27.02 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: Ah. Are you waiting long enough for reverse dns to time out? (At least 20 seconds, perhaps much longer. Maybe a minute?) |
| 21:27.16 | lenswipe|newpc | valdyn, its also experimental |
| 21:27.18 | valdyn | jhutchins_lt: probably, but its working fine for me |
| 21:27.25 | valdyn | lenswipe|newpc: what is experimental? |
| 21:27.26 | hell_razer | how to setup framebuffer in squezy + nvidia drivers? |
| 21:27.41 | lenswipe|newpc | valdyn, squeeze |
| 21:27.51 | valdyn | lenswipe|newpc: "beta", not experimental |
| 21:27.54 | lenswipe|newpc | yeah |
| 21:27.55 | lenswipe|newpc | well |
| 21:28.07 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe|newpc: Technically it's ""testing", not "experimental" which is a part of sid. |
| 21:28.12 | thewanderer1 | karlpinc: about 2 minutes, and nothing happens |
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| 21:28.13 | jelly-home | jaggy: the verison of su in lenny (or perhaps even etch) changed syntax. Quote the whole command after -c |
| 21:28.25 | valdyn | lenswipe|newpc: I think it makes more sense than getting you the latest nvidia drivers, which you need, on your lenny system |
| 21:28.32 | jaggy | ok jelly-home I'll give it a shot |
| 21:28.52 | lenswipe|newpc | valdyn, apt-get install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source |
| 21:28.53 | jhutchins_lt | valdyn: For instance, there currently is no flash player in squeeze. |
| 21:28.57 | thewanderer1 | karlpinc: actually, after 2 minutes I get "remote host closed the connection" |
| 21:29.02 | valdyn | jhutchins_lt: but in sid |
| 21:29.03 | lenswipe|newpc | where it says VERSION - could i replace that with |
| 21:29.06 | lenswipe|newpc | 2.6.32-trunk-686 |
| 21:29.12 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: What happens if you "getent hosts 10.6.0.3" on the server? How long does it take? (That's the last thing the server is trying to do.) |
| 21:29.22 | valdyn | jhutchins_lt: flash is easy to solve... |
| 21:29.33 | thewanderer1 | karlpinc: oh crap, it hangs |
| 21:29.58 | valdyn | lenswipe|newpc: i dont think that would get you a driver that knows your gfx card |
| 21:30.02 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: That's your hang. Perhaps your config file requires reverse lookup succeeds? Cheat by adding an entry to /etc/hosts. |
| 21:30.13 | jelly-home | lenswipe|newpc: also, that 2.6.32-trunk-686 kernel is old, get and use the 2.6.32-5-686 one |
| 21:30.19 | lenswipe|newpc | valdyn, thats what the tutorial says |
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| 21:30.26 | lenswipe|newpc | jelly-home, its a little late for that ive installed |
| 21:30.27 | thewanderer1 | karlpinc: actually, strace of this getent shows that it hangs on connecting to avahi-daemon socket |
| 21:30.31 | valdyn | jelly-home: so hes not even using lenny |
| 21:30.34 | hell_razer | how to setup framebuffer in squezy + nvidia drivers? |
| 21:30.36 | thewanderer1 | I don't want this crap so I'm getting rid of it |
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| 21:30.36 | valdyn | jelly-home: i missed that kernel |
| 21:30.36 | lenswipe|newpc | jelly-home, besides this is a backport |
| 21:30.49 | jelly-home | valdyn: old backport, it could be |
| 21:30.50 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: I never cared for it myself. |
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| 21:30.54 | valdyn | jelly-home: ok |
| 21:30.58 | lenswipe|newpc | jelly-home, its the newest one on the site |
| 21:30.58 | jarrod | ok, what's the problem with python 2.6 as stable in lenny? |
| 21:31.03 | jelly-home | lenswipe|newpc: which site? |
| 21:31.08 | lenswipe|newpc | jelly-home, two seconds |
| 21:31.10 | thewanderer1 | karlpinc: I think it crashed and is not accept()ing the connection causing this hang on clients |
| 21:31.15 | valdyn | jarrod: no problem? |
| 21:31.19 | jelly-home | lenswipe|newpc: /msg dpkg kernels |
| 21:31.36 | lenswipe|newpc | jelly-home, kmuto.jp/debian/d-i |
| 21:31.40 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe|newpc: the trunk kernel? No, it's not current. |
| 21:31.41 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: But any dns resolver is going to hang for a bit waiting for response. And your ssh would normally proceed, unless the defaults have changed and I've not noticed. (What version of debian?) |
| 21:31.42 | lenswipe|newpc | jelly-home, i was given that to use |
| 21:31.58 | jelly-home | lenswipe|newpc: for the installer, yes. After installing, get yourself an updated kernel. |
| 21:32.01 | lenswipe|newpc | that was as a supposed solution to debian not being able to talk to my IDE controller |
| 21:32.11 | lenswipe|newpc | how do install an updated kernel? |
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| 21:32.14 | jelly-home | lenswipe|newpc: /msg dpkg bpo kernel |
| 21:32.17 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: ping and ping -n are your friend when diagnosing this sort of stuff. |
| 21:32.21 | thewanderer1 | karlpinc: 5.0.5 |
| 21:32.38 | valdyn | lenswipe|newpc: you will need to use sid or squeeze nvidia drivers |
| 21:32.41 | thewanderer1 | karlpinc: ping was all right, and I've been doing network testing for a few days here |
| 21:32.56 | gutterslob | .join #crunchbang |
| 21:33.00 | valdyn | lenswipe|newpc: i dont know the current situation, usually you can just download and dpkg -i the packages |
| 21:33.07 | thewanderer1 | oh, I should upgrade probably |
| 21:33.20 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: ping 10.6.0.3 on the server should have strange delays whereas ping -n won't. |
| 21:33.33 | hell_razer | how to setup framebuffer with nvidia drivers in grub2 ? |
| 21:33.40 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: Yeah, but I can't believe that's your problem. |
| 21:33.50 | lenswipe|newpc | jelly-home, ok i added the backports repo to my sources.list |
| 21:34.01 | lenswipe|newpc | jelly-home, how do i install the new kernel? |
| 21:34.11 | jelly-home | jarrod: there can't be any problems with it apart from its absence |
| 21:34.26 | jarrod | ok, well whats the best way to install it -- from source? |
| 21:34.26 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: Perhaps ssh has some timeouts that assume dns times out in a reasonable time. (?) |
| 21:34.27 | thewanderer1 | karlpinc: just installed avahi-daemon, and getent hosts takes considerably longer |
| 21:34.31 | jelly-home | lenswipe|newpc: read CAREFULLY the bpo kernel factoid |
| 21:34.31 | thewanderer1 | still, not a hang |
| 21:34.39 | Raptors | Is there any batch MP3 tagging CLI program? |
| 21:34.42 | valdyn | lenswipe|newpc: apt-cache search linux-image 686; then pick one |
| 21:34.45 | lenswipe|newpc | jelly-home, which is where? |
| 21:34.52 | jelly-home | lenswipe|newpc: /msg dpkg bpo kernel |
| 21:34.58 | jelly-home | srsly |
| 21:35.01 | lenswipe|newpc | jelly-home, yes ive been there already |
| 21:35.14 | jelly-home | lenswipe|newpc: what did you not understand? |
| 21:35.33 | lenswipe|newpc | all of it |
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| 21:35.39 | jelly-home | lenswipe|newpc: THEN SAY SO |
| 21:35.43 | karlpinc | Raptors: I use debtags to find that sort of stuff. |
| 21:35.46 | thewanderer1 | alright, now getent is working like a slug |
| 21:35.52 | lenswipe|newpc | aptitude update && aptitude -t lenny-backports install linux-image-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` |
| 21:35.54 | lenswipe|newpc | ..... |
| 21:36.00 | jelly-home | lenswipe|newpc: it tells you to run that literal command. |
| 21:36.05 | lenswipe|newpc | thats it? |
| 21:36.06 | thewanderer1 | no difference between ping and ping -n, though |
| 21:36.08 | lenswipe|newpc | okay |
| 21:36.40 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: /etc/nsswitch.conf. But you probably want to figure out what the problem with dns is instead. (You may not _have_ reverse dns, which _should_ be ok....) |
| 21:36.46 | Raptors | karlpinc, does it do id3 tagging? What's the package name? |
| 21:36.55 | jelly-home | lenswipe|newpc: if you are curious, run echo linux-image-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` to see what the shell really gives as an argument to aptitude |
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| 21:37.07 | karlpinc | Raptors: That's the package/program to use to find the right package. |
| 21:37.13 | thewanderer1 | karlpinc: the problem is with avahi-daemon, it adds anywhere between 5 to infinity seconds to the lookup time |
| 21:37.34 | Raptors | karlpinc, o... |
| 21:37.56 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: I find getting rid of any and all mention of mdns in nsswitch.conf works for me |
| 21:38.02 | thewanderer1 | heh |
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| 21:38.09 | thewanderer1 | I know, but this still seems to be a bug in stable |
| 21:38.16 | jelly-home | one of many |
| 21:38.23 | thewanderer1 | or at least an "unexpected behaviour" |
| 21:38.27 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: It's just supposed to be doing dns. Although the avahi stuff is using network broadcast to do autoconf discovery (and I've never figured out the advantage in trusting the lan like that.) |
| 21:38.34 | jarrod | jelly-home: whats the best way to install Python 2.6? |
| 21:38.56 | jelly-home | jarrod: build from source info a separate prefix (or /usr/local if you prefer it that way) |
| 21:39.12 | jelly-home | into* |
| 21:39.21 | jarrod | ok, from source |
| 21:39.22 | jarrod | ughh |
| 21:39.47 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: I tend to uninstall the avahi stuff. Perhaps your dhcp or resolv.conf is wack, or resolvconf is messing with you, or... (Then again, I can't get lwresd to work either.) |
| 21:39.49 | jelly-home | jarrod: the next release of debian, to become available any year now, will have 2.6 |
| 21:39.55 | Raptors | Does anyone have any recommendation for a CLI batch ID3 program? |
| 21:40.05 | lenswipe|newpc | jelly, ok i ran that literal command and its finished now - does that mean my kernel is updated? |
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| 21:40.13 | jelly-home | lenswipe|newpc: what did it do? |
| 21:40.34 | thewanderer1 | karlpinc: that wouldn't really explain the long hang on connect()ing to the daemon socket itself, but yeah, I'll avoid avahi. |
| 21:40.39 | lenswipe|newpc | jelly-home, printed a whole bunch of stuff on the screen and asked me something about storage controllers |
| 21:40.49 | jelly-home | lenswipe|newpc: did you read the bunch of stuff? |
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| 21:41.18 | lenswipe|newpc | yeah it was saying it was detecting PATA controllers or something like that |
| 21:41.21 | karlpinc | lenswipe|newpc: You know about pastebin and pasteinit so you can give us useful output? |
| 21:41.22 | lenswipe|newpc | i cant remember off hand |
| 21:41.34 | lenswipe|newpc | karlpinc, yeah i know, but its a bit late now - its done |
| 21:41.35 | lenswipe|newpc | gone* |
| 21:41.44 | jelly-home | lenswipe|newpc: you are expected to take notice of what the system does. There's some interesting things in that output, including the NAMES OF THE PACKAGES INSTALLED |
| 21:41.53 | lenswipe|newpc | okay |
| 21:42.02 | dboehmer | my winXP client displays 127.0.1.1 as DHCP server |
| 21:42.08 | jelly-home | lenswipe|newpc: if you can't be bothered to read, I can't be bothered to help you |
| 21:42.14 | dboehmer | can somebody explain why that is? |
| 21:42.17 | lenswipe|newpc | jelly-home, oh wow, sorry lemme scroll backl |
| 21:42.23 | jhutchins_lt | dboehmer: Windows is an idiot? |
| 21:42.35 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: Well, congradulations. Your off on a yak shaving expedition! |
| 21:42.35 | jelly-home | karlpinc: see, that's how it's done ;-) |
| 21:42.38 | jhutchins_lt | dboehmer: Windows is generating it's own IP address? There are conditions where it does that. |
| 21:42.47 | jhutchins_lt | dboehmer: Windows was not set up correctly? |
| 21:43.47 | dboehmer | i guess it was my fault |
| 21:44.05 | dboehmer | i use the option server-identifier in a wrong way |
| 21:44.11 | lenswipe|newpc | jelly-home, http://pastebin.com/U4guzdaW |
| 21:44.20 | lenswipe|newpc | jelly-home, i see something about a kernel at the bottom |
| 21:44.30 | dboehmer | by disabling it everything is alright |
| 21:44.39 | thewanderer1 | karlpinc: no, thanks, my yak is already shaven well (5,5G) |
| 21:44.47 | jelly-home | lenswipe|newpc: read lines 56-58 |
| 21:45.02 | lenswipe|newpc | linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.5-686{a} linux-image-686 |
| 21:45.07 | lenswipe|newpc | jelly-home, new kernel right? |
| 21:45.12 | jelly-home | don't paste them here, READ THEM |
| 21:45.19 | lenswipe|newpc | I AM READING THEM |
| 21:45.24 | lenswipe|newpc | im just asking if thats what it means |
| 21:45.44 | jelly-home | lenswipe|newpc: did you read them before you answered [y] to the question in line 61? |
| 21:45.51 | lenswipe|newpc | yes i did |
| 21:46.02 | jelly-home | lenswipe|newpc: did you understand what they said? |
| 21:46.07 | lenswipe|newpc | sort of |
| 21:46.22 | lenswipe|newpc | hence why im asking if its a new kernel |
| 21:46.39 | jelly-home | lenswipe|newpc: if it has a different name than the old one, yes |
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| 21:46.46 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe|newpc: Yes, that is the most current backport kernel for lenny. |
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| 21:47.06 | solars | any tv capture experts here and can tell me how to enable sound for this? http://pastie.org/1151016 I cannot get it to work and don't have a second dsp device |
| 21:47.25 | karlpinc | lenswipe|newpc: But note that "uname -a" says what kernel's _running_. You need to reboot to get it to take effect. Watch grub to make sure the right one boots. |
| 21:47.43 | jelly-home | okay, there's a bit of an issue with those -trunk- kernels, they _look_ as if they're bigger version than when it's -5- or -bpo.5- in there |
| 21:47.59 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: -trunk have never worked well... |
| 21:48.10 | karlpinc | lenswipe|newpc: (But don't reboot on my say so. I've not been paying attention so maybe there's something else you need. ?) |
| 21:48.19 | thewanderer1 | if they land in backports, we're doomed :P |
| 21:48.19 | jelly-home | lenswipe|newpc: even grub may be confused and offer 2.6.32-trunk-686 instead of 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 by default |
| 21:48.22 | Serajewe1KS | is it possible to create a raid1 device with dm, using only one physical device? |
| 21:48.30 | thewanderer1 | Serajewe1KS: sure |
| 21:48.40 | SerajewelKS | ok good |
| 21:48.46 | karlpinc | Serajewe1KS: But it will be degraded. I.e. Waiting for the 2nd drive. |
| 21:49.08 | jhutchins_lt | SerajewelKS: There is no REASON to do so. |
| 21:49.13 | SerajewelKS | karlpinc: right, i plan on getting another drive later but want the raid configured so i can just pop it in and ask it to rebuild |
| 21:49.24 | thewanderer1 | it can run in degraded mode for some time, yes |
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| 21:49.33 | jhutchins_lt | SerajewelKS: ... except maybe that... |
| 21:49.35 | karlpinc | jhutchins_lt: SerajewelKS has the reason, for some reasonable value of "later". |
| 21:49.48 | SerajewelKS | i forget, does dmraid put any metadata on the device? i forget |
| 21:49.59 | SerajewelKS | and i forgot that i said "i forget". see? :P |
| 21:50.38 | jhutchins_lt | SerajewelKS: Better take notes <grin>. |
| 21:50.39 | lenswipe|newpc | jelly-home, okay - so make sure grub boots the right one? |
| 21:50.42 | lenswipe|newpc | gotcha *click* |
| 21:50.44 | lenswipe|newpc | brb |
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| 21:50.55 | jelly-home | lenswipe|newpc: if you reboot and there's no mention of the new 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 kernel in the list, you'll have to update your grub config mnually with update-grub |
| 21:50.59 | jelly-home | eh |
| 21:51.08 | thewanderer1 | SerajewelKS: dmraid does put some metadata on the device |
| 21:51.18 | SerajewelKS | thewanderer1: ok good |
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| 21:52.50 | SerajewelKS | otherwise there would be no point in setting up the raid ahead of time. it sounds like you cannot build a raid array using a device with data on it already then? |
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| 21:53.53 | lenswipe|newpc | jelly-home, i got a kernel oops notice when i logged in |
| 21:54.01 | lenswipe|newpc | the previous kernel was doing this |
| 21:54.06 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe|newpc: At least it's consistent. |
| 21:54.08 | Stathol | I've just worked my way through setting up iptables to do SNAT, DNAT, routing, etc., and I was wondering if anyone knew of a way to dump NAT statistics/current status |
| 21:54.17 | lenswipe|newpc | jhutchins_lt, +1 |
| 21:54.37 | jelly-home | lenswipe|newpc: what does uname -r say. now? |
| 21:54.38 | Stathol | Ex., if I wanted to get a count of the number of current SNAT mappings (or dump them in their entirety) |
| 21:55.00 | lenswipe|newpc | 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 |
| 21:55.04 | jelly-home | good |
| 21:55.24 | lenswipe|newpc | so... |
| 21:55.25 | petemc | Stathol: iptables -nvL -t nat |
| 21:55.26 | lenswipe|newpc | kernel oops.... |
| 21:55.30 | lenswipe|newpc | jelly-home, how do i fix that? |
| 21:55.32 | cesurasean | can someone tell me what kannel-sqlbox is, exactly? |
| 21:55.33 | simonrvn | Stathol: man iptables (hint: -L) |
| 21:55.36 | Stathol | petemc: Yeah, that's not quite what I mean. |
| 21:55.39 | fhffhqvb | hah! lost connectivity with my mouse and keyboard when i unplugged them... couldn't get them to work again, tried kudzu, nothing. tried blinkd, voila! |
| 21:55.39 | jelly-home | lenswipe|newpc: where did you see that oops? |
| 21:55.47 | lenswipe|newpc | jelly-home, on my desktop when i logged in |
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| 21:55.54 | Stathol | I know how to list the entries in the NAT table, but... |
| 21:55.55 | lenswipe|newpc | jelly-home, its still there |
| 21:56.06 | jelly-home | lenswipe|newpc: a notification window? |
| 21:56.18 | cesurasean | can someone learn something with me for a second? |
| 21:56.21 | simonrvn | cesurasean: man apt-cache |
| 21:56.26 | jelly-home | lenswipe|newpc: or in a terminal? |
| 21:56.31 | lenswipe|newpc | jelly-home, lemme... |
| 21:56.33 | cesurasean | simonrvn, what's that do? |
| 21:56.46 | cesurasean | man kannel-sqlbox, maybe? |
| 21:56.51 | lenswipe|newpc | jelly-home, http://imagebin.ca/view/XRJSx97.html |
| 21:56.56 | simonrvn | tells you you should look there to help you find the info you want. |
| 21:57.26 | cesurasean | simonrvn, im trying to figure out exactly what that portion of the application does, though. |
| 21:57.33 | cesurasean | man apt-cache isn't going to provide that for me, is it? |
| 21:58.00 | Stathol | Say a user starts up an HTTP session with google.com. There should be a temporary table somewhere mapping that socket to the SNAT socket (ex. 192.168.1.43:8294 -> 66.196.254.210:8294) |
| 21:58.05 | simonrvn | cesurasean: yes |
| 21:58.19 | cesurasean | how? |
| 21:58.27 | cesurasean | can you elaborate, please? |
| 21:58.31 | jelly-home | lenswipe|newpc: that's a notification window from the "kerneloops" package, saying it found an oops in the logs that wasn't reported yet. It essentially wants to report the crash to the Linux kernel bug tracking system. |
| 21:58.35 | simonrvn | type /show once you've brought it up |
| 21:58.38 | Stathol | Which will persist until either the socket is closed or it times out. |
| 21:58.48 | cesurasean | huh? |
| 21:58.53 | Stathol | I'm trying to find a way to dump that internal table. |
| 21:59.02 | jelly-home | lenswipe|newpc: this might not have been an oops created by the current kernel, just one the app found in the logs. |
| 21:59.10 | lenswipe|newpc | jelly-home, ah right |
| 21:59.18 | cesurasean | simonrvn, can you please explain? |
| 21:59.29 | cesurasean | sorry i am misunderstanding. |
| 21:59.47 | cesurasean | apt-cache show kannel-sqlbox? |
| 22:00.04 | simonrvn | type man apt-cache in a terminal. type /cache then press enter - read the info text. |
| 22:00.11 | simonrvn | \o/ |
| 22:00.18 | simonrvn | er, /show not /cache |
| 22:00.28 | simonrvn | cesurasean: \o/ |
| 22:00.28 | thewanderer1 | Stathol: have you tried netstat? it used to support this for earlier kernes |
| 22:00.31 | jelly-home | lenswipe|newpc: bottom right is typically used by gnome for those notification popups |
| 22:00.34 | lenswipe|newpc | jelly-home, im gonna log out and in again, if i see kernel oops again is that something i should be concerned about? |
| 22:00.58 | jelly-home | lenswipe|newpc: click yes or no on it, it ought to go away |
| 22:01.19 | lenswipe|newpc | i clicked always |
| 22:01.22 | lenswipe|newpc | brb |
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| 22:02.16 | Stathol | thewanderer1: That's what I was just playing with, but it doesn't seem to show anything for the NAT sessions. But maybe I'm missing an option |
| 22:02.58 | thewanderer1 | Stathol: -M option did just that, but it seems kind of obsolete now, at least on my lenny here... |
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| 22:03.08 | lenswipe|newpc | hey guys |
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| 22:03.23 | lenswipe|newpc | jelly-home, well i re-logged in and there was no kernel oops notice waiting for me, which is always good news :) |
| 22:03.28 | lenswipe|newpc | now to deal with GFX |
| 22:03.28 | jhutchins_lt | Didn't netstat -n used to do that? |
| 22:03.52 | jelly-home | lenswipe|newpc: you ought to be able to do the debian nvidia thing now. Maybe. |
| 22:04.03 | lenswipe|newpc | okay |
| 22:04.08 | jelly-home | I'm not sure how that works in lenny |
| 22:04.10 | lenswipe|newpc | so just follow that tutorial? |
| 22:04.12 | lenswipe|newpc | okay |
| 22:04.22 | lenswipe|newpc | damn this beast is fast |
| 22:04.23 | Stathol | As far as I can tell, it isn't listing it with "netstat -nt", while I browse around from one of my NAT'd clients |
| 22:04.31 | jelly-home | or anywhere... unless someone buys me a nvidia ;-) |
| 22:04.48 | lenswipe|newpc | jelly-home, im running lenny on a quad core hyperthread |
| 22:04.54 | lenswipe|newpc | jelly-home, its absolutely screaming |
| 22:05.00 | jelly-home | AIEEE |
| 22:05.03 | lenswipe|newpc | indeed |
| 22:05.10 | lenswipe|newpc | im used to a dual core 1.2 laptop |
| 22:05.12 | Stathol | Oh wait, let me try -M. I missed that |
| 22:05.17 | lenswipe|newpc | this is a quad 2.1 desktop |
| 22:05.17 | simonrvn | cesurasean: "give a man fishing pole" instead of "give a man a fish", type of thinking. get my point? |
| 22:05.19 | SerajewelKS | is dmraid or lvm2 recommended these days? |
| 22:05.21 | lenswipe|newpc | with hyperthreading |
| 22:05.24 | foetus | enjoy an updated 5.0.6 system now |
| 22:05.30 | SerajewelKS | i can't seem to find a good summary on pros/cons between them |
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| 22:05.43 | thewanderer1 | SerajewelKS: they serve a different purpose |
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| 22:05.57 | Stathol | Hmm... netstat -M gives: "no support for 'ip_masquerade' on this system. |
| 22:05.58 | SerajewelKS | thewanderer1: explain? |
| 22:06.19 | thewanderer1 | Stathol: yeah, it's for linux2.4 or so, sadly |
| 22:06.40 | jhutchins_lt | Stathol: That was it, and for some reason they dropped it several years ago. No idea what's supposed to replace it. |
| 22:07.06 | thewanderer1 | SerajewelKS: LVM2 is a block manager for volumes, which means managing storage pools, while mdraid is especially for RAID |
| 22:07.26 | foetus | 5.0.6 is running faster than ever - especially the kernel, nice work |
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| 22:08.03 | SerajewelKS | thewanderer1: so a way to look at it might be that RAID is more for whole devices, which can be further partitioned? |
| 22:08.11 | SerajewelKS | or am i missing the boat |
| 22:08.17 | thewanderer1 | SerajewelKS: I usually put LVM2 on RAID1 |
| 22:08.29 | SerajewelKS | ok |
| 22:08.43 | Stathol | Well, this is kind of frustrating. Part of the reason that I'm setting this up is because we're somehow flooding the NAT table on our ISP's router occasionally |
| 22:08.47 | Stathol | Which is admittedly tiny... |
| 22:08.57 | jhutchins_lt | Because the more layers of software between you and your data, the more fun you can have when things go wrong! |
| 22:09.05 | Stathol | So I was going to set up NAT on my end so I could gather some decent statistics |
| 22:09.13 | Stathol | And figure out why we're eating up so many simultaneous connections |
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| 22:10.03 | foetus | made a hardlink to kernel in /boot which improves performance dramatically |
| 22:10.38 | jhutchins_lt | foetus: From what to which? |
| 22:10.39 | thewanderer1 | Stathol: netstat-nat package |
| 22:10.57 | thewanderer1 | it works extremely slow for me but still shows what I need to see |
| 22:11.09 | thewanderer1 | perhaps because of all the lookups... |
| 22:11.11 | jelly-home | foetus: lolwut |
| 22:11.46 | thewanderer1 | *DING* Cisco-like feature completeness level 2 reached *DING* |
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| 22:12.39 | collan | hey guys. im trying to install the kernel source for lenny but i cant find out how to do that. i am trying to install the nvidia driver and it needs the kernel source it says |
| 22:13.00 | thewanderer1 | !tell collan about nvidia |
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| 22:15.17 | Stathol | thewanderer1: Ahhhh. Thanks, that's probably exactly what I need. |
| 22:15.51 | thewanderer1 | hint: -n option gives you +10 speed and +1 sanity |
| 22:16.41 | foetus | jhutchins_lt: i do a symlink to the kernel called vmlinuz normally (for easier grub management), but i prepared to make an hardlink for testing and i have recognized a performance like realtime, impressive.. |
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| 22:21.39 | foetus | but with the new system i become a message like this: 'kernel: warning: `proftpd' uses 32-bit capabilities (legacy support in use)'-what does it mean? |
| 22:21.44 | lenswipe|newpc | um |
| 22:21.46 | lenswipe|newpc | jelly-home, Bad luck, the kernel headers for the target kernel version could â |
| 22:21.47 | lenswipe|newpc | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:21.47 | lenswipe|newpc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:21.54 | lenswipe|newpc | ewps |
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| 22:22.13 | lenswipe|newpc | jelly-home, http://pastebin.com/d178AGAt |
| 22:22.33 | abrotman | lenswipe|newpc: what is 'uname -r' ? |
| 22:22.42 | lenswipe|newpc | 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 |
| 22:22.42 | thewanderer1 | foetus: it means that some app is using 32-bit code |
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| 22:23.13 | jelly-home | lenswipe|newpc: you're not saying what command created that error message |
| 22:23.38 | lenswipe|newpc | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:23.39 | foetus | thewanderer1: on a 32bit system with a 32bit kernel? thats curious. |
| 22:23.41 | lenswipe|newpc | that did |
| 22:24.13 | jhutchins_lt | foetus: Improvement with boot speed or overall? |
| 22:24.33 | foetus | jhutchins_lt: overall |
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| 22:25.03 | thewanderer1 | foetus: so perhaps something is using outdated syscalls... do you really have a 32-bit userland AND kernel while getting that warning? |
| 22:25.21 | lenswipe|newpc | jelly-home, any thoughts on that? |
| 22:25.22 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: Is this because he's got a backports kernel, and the system won't look in backports by default? |
| 22:25.53 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: I believe apt looks there when there's no other option |
| 22:25.54 | foetus | thewanderer1: yes, its a PIII Platform. |
| 22:26.12 | jelly-home | lenswipe|newpc: hm. Does installing linux-headers-2.6.32-bpo.5-686 manually work? |
| 22:26.20 | lenswipe|newpc | lets try it and see |
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| 22:26.24 | lenswipe|newpc | just sudo apt-get it? |
| 22:26.29 | thewanderer1 | foetus: uh. in this case, syscalls. or perhaps some vdso? I think syscalls... |
| 22:26.34 | jhutchins_lt | I would try putting the pinning priority in /etc/apt/preferences: # APT PINNING PREFERENCES\ Package: *\Pin: release a=lenny-backports\Pin-Priority: 200 |
| 22:26.44 | jelly-home | lenswipe|newpc: prefer aptitude to apt-get |
| 22:26.52 | lenswipe|newpc | whats the difference? |
| 22:27.06 | jelly-home | lenswipe|newpc: /msg dpkg why aptitude |
| 22:28.14 | lenswipe|newpc | jelly-home, ok its worked but it hasnt worked |
| 22:28.23 | lenswipe|newpc | i installed the kernel headers and then ran the command again |
| 22:28.30 | SerajewelKS | the plan is (tell me if this is crazy) to work up to a RAID10 array. i bought drive A -- that will be the first drive in a RAID1. once i get drive B, i add it to the RAID and rebuild so i have 1TB of redundant storage. |
| 22:28.38 | lenswipe|newpc | jelly-home, http://pastebin.com/dLjwxAU7 |
| 22:29.19 | SerajewelKS | then once i get two more, i will create a RAID10 on those two (C+D striped, no mirrors), copy the data over from A+B, then destroy the A+B array and add those drives as mirrors to the C+D array. |
| 22:29.39 | foetus | thewanderer1: lets see, the system is few hours old and not well tested this time, i will take a look of that..must test the servers first |
| 22:29.49 | SerajewelKS | which seems like it will work pretty smoothly, but we'll see ;) |
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| 22:29.55 | jelly-home | lenswipe|newpc: it appears the version of nvidia-kernel-source in debian stable doesn't want to build against the kernel from backports. |
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| 22:30.32 | SerajewelKS | so when all is said and done, C+D will be striped, A will mirror C and B will mirror D |
| 22:30.39 | lenswipe|newpc | jelly-home, greay - any ideas? |
| 22:30.39 | SerajewelKS | \o/ |
| 22:30.41 | lenswipe|newpc | great* |
| 22:30.55 | jelly-home | lenswipe|newpc: I don't know the solution to that conundrum, still noone provided me with a nvidia card to play with |
| 22:31.39 | jelly-home | theoretically you'd use some way to get the newer nvidia-* package from somewhere |
| 22:31.46 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe|newpc: I would try putting the pinning priority in /etc/apt/preferences: # APT PINNING PREFERENCES\ Package: *\Pin: release a=lenny-backports\Pin-Priority: 200 |
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| 22:32.28 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: he solved that bit already |
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| 22:32.48 | dserban | what's the channel to ask about port forwarding/iptables stuff? |
| 22:33.06 | thewanderer1 | dserban: #netfilter |
| 22:33.24 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: now he has a working bpo kernel, its headers, and a failing compile for nvidia-kernel-source |
| 22:33.31 | thewanderer1 | hey, when I do "umount -a", does it umount all FS from /etc/fstab or everything that is mounted? |
| 22:33.32 | jelly-home | judd: versions nvidia-kernel-source |
| 22:33.34 | judd | nvidia-kernel-source -- etch/non-free: 1.0.8776-4; lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5; squeeze/non-free: 195.36.24-4; sid/non-free: 195.36.31-3 |
| 22:33.36 | dserban | thewanderer1: danke |
| 22:34.15 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe|newpc: I would definitely hit "View" and see what the errors are - just the fact that there are errors doesn't mean much, I've never seen anything build without pages of them. |
| 22:34.54 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe|newpc: You may find it's better at this point to go directly to the nvidia source rather than try to fix the (broken?) debian build helper. |
| 22:35.29 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe|newpc: You are better off following a howto than trying to have someone here help you - and DON'T go to #nvidia for advice on debian, they will screw you up. |
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| 22:35.52 | beardy | thewanderer1: All filesystems in /etc/mtab are unmounted. But not /proc. |
| 22:36.11 | beardy | thewanderer1: Have we read the manual today? |
| 22:36.52 | thewanderer1 | beardy: I'm hitting strange behaviour today where my filesystems don't get umounted |
| 22:37.03 | foetus | curious message, this legacy support thing..i must take a look into kernel config, maybe.. |
| 22:37.30 | jhutchins_lt | I think I get something like that (legacy...) from bind or dhcp... |
| 22:37.33 | thewanderer1 | foetus: trying to disable that didn't let me compile my OpenVZ kernel - beware if you use external patches of poor code quality |
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| 22:39.26 | nooper | eid mubarak |
| 22:39.36 | lenswipe|newpc | jhutchins_lt, okay |
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| 22:40.45 | foetus | thewanderer1: no, its the official patched kernel in this case.. i never did using third party patches |
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| 22:41.41 | thewanderer1 | heh, I was compiling from debian packages too... still, good luck! I've been seeking to run my machines without this legacy crap for the last year or so, too |
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| 22:42.58 | foetus | thewanderer1: but, as i said..i mean, its a kernel config issue, probably |
| 22:43.32 | thewanderer1 | Debian likes to call this "a feature" |
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| 22:44.03 | thewanderer1 | I get these warnings on a daily basis wth ntp daemon |
| 22:46.43 | foetus | enjoy a reboot now |
| 22:47.34 | lenswipe|newpc | jhutchins_lt, http://pastebin.com/eXmrHVaQ |
| 22:48.03 | hell_razer | how to remove grub2 and install grub? |
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| 22:49.27 | mado | hello everyone |
| 22:49.30 | mado | excuse me everyone but can you help me with this? -> i thought it would be nice to e.g. 1) search for all e.g. PNG-files on some of my hard-disk's folders and 2) put them all in one folder ... is there a way to do this with some commands so that i don't have to click through every folder on my hard disk? |
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| 22:50.09 | foetus | same message - seems to be a cosmetic thing, however.. |
| 22:51.00 | foetus | its only in syslog. |
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| 22:51.15 | dserban | mado: yes, for in in `find -iname '*.png' /root/dir`; do mv $i /newdir; done |
| 22:51.45 | dserban | mado: take note that all files that have the same name will overwrite each other. |
| 22:51.51 | jelly-home | !using find |
| 22:51.51 | dpkg | it has been said that using find is http://mywiki.wooledge.org/UsingFind or "man find" |
| 22:51.56 | jelly-home | !bash pitfalls |
| 22:51.56 | dpkg | Read about common sh/bash script mistakes at http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashPitfalls or http://mywiki.wooledge.org/ParsingLs |
| 22:52.14 | jelly-home | dserban: read the bash pitfalls page; your example is wrong. |
| 22:52.14 | dserban | jelly-home: oh quoting :/ |
| 22:52.28 | mado | thank you dserban, but is there a way so that no file gets overwritten? |
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| 22:53.08 | dserban | mado, you can rename them on the move with $RAND or something similar |
| 22:53.19 | jelly-home | dserban: it's wrong in more than one way ;-) |
| 22:53.40 | dserban | jelly-home: :o |
| 22:53.48 | mado | one moment please ... brb |
| 22:53.48 | dserban | that's a huge page :/ /me loses interest |
| 22:53.52 | dserban | :P |
| 22:54.06 | jelly-home | you'll find interest when you get bitten |
| 22:54.53 | jelly-home | doesn't need much to correct tho, something like find -iname '*.png' /root/dir -print0 | xargs -0 mv --target-directory=/newdir |
| 22:55.14 | foetus | its not so easy, imho he needs a solid script for doing that.. |
| 22:55.14 | dserban | aye, I know :) I've been whacked over the head by you and greycat many times in #bash :P |
| 22:55.52 | jelly-home | dserban: and you _still_ repeat the errors of your ways! |
| 22:56.00 | foetus | so #bash would be a nice channel :) |
| 22:56.04 | *** part/#debian hell_razer (~HellRaise@23-49-94-178.pool.ukrtel.net) |
| 22:56.22 | jelly-home | the people in there aren't very forgiving |
| 22:56.29 | jelly-home | caveat ircor |
| 22:56.49 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: once again, lurking here teaches me something (for loops) |
| 22:56.49 | dserban | jelly-home: nah I just forget easily too much information to store I need to upgrade my hard drive |
| 22:57.25 | jhutchins_lt | mado: You might NOT want to move ALL of the files to the same directory though, do a find by itself first. |
| 22:57.39 | lenswipe|newpc | jhutchins_lt, any thoughts on that pase? |
| 22:57.41 | lenswipe|newpc | paste* |
| 22:57.57 | mado | more or less i'm back ... why jhutchins_lt ? |
| 22:58.41 | jelly-home | mado: do you like having a single directory with 5000 files names 001.jpg, 002.jpg? |
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| 22:59.26 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe|newpc: Which? |
| 22:59.37 | APAXA | Hi, guys is there a document which explains shows a list of all the groups and their permissions which a default debian install creates? |
| 22:59.44 | APAXA | cant seem to find any on google :S |
| 22:59.51 | mado | well jelly ... actually no ... not for long ... after doing that i wanted to file them properly :) |
| 23:00.10 | APAXA | like for example if i create new users, is it wise to add them to the default "users" and "ssh" group or i would be best off creating fresh groups? |
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| 23:00.42 | mewshi | hi |
| 23:00.44 | mado | e.g. pictures from work / school and such stuff to a specific folder ... holiday to another ... etc :) |
| 23:01.08 | mewshi | can someone possibly help me figure out how much of a pain installing debian on my netbook will be? |
| 23:01.10 | thewanderer1 | mado: use a photo management program for tat... |
| 23:01.17 | APAXA | mewshi not much pain at all |
| 23:01.18 | mado | but since i didn't save all this pictures on the hard disk ... and the content is a bit messy ... i thought i need to tidy up :) ... ... |
| 23:01.54 | mado | thewanderer1, photo managment ... hmmm ... i see ... nice idea too but that wouldn't work for non-pictures-files ... |
| 23:01.54 | mewshi | How hard is it to get the wireless working? I'm coming from Ubuntu/Mint, is it roughly as easy? Or is there a lot of hacking involved? |
| 23:01.59 | thewanderer1 | mado: throwing them all in one directory, mixing and distributing equally over your room is not quite the goal :) |
| 23:02.03 | abrotman | mewshi: which model? mostly painlessly on mine? |
| 23:02.04 | thewanderer1 | mado: true |
| 23:02.11 | mewshi | It's a Lenovo S10 |
| 23:02.11 | abrotman | erm .. ignore the second ? |
| 23:02.27 | mado | thewanderer1, can you recommend me a good photo-managment-program? |
| 23:02.32 | lenswipe|newpc | jhutchins_lt, http://pastebin.com/eXmrHVaQ |
| 23:02.39 | abrotman | mewshi: biggest possible issue will likely be wifi .. but shouldn't be too awful |
| 23:02.42 | foetus | has finished configuring his ssl-secured proftpd server..and is being proud of |
| 23:02.53 | thewanderer1 | foetus... I have bad news |
| 23:02.55 | thewanderer1 | !ftp must die |
| 23:02.56 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie . If you really just want to provide anonymous download of files, use HTTP: http://daniel.haxx.se/docs/ftp-vs-http.html |
| 23:03.10 | mewshi | Well, I know that in Ubuntu/Mint, I have to use restricted drivers... are those even available in debian? |
| 23:03.22 | abrotman | mewshi: which driver? |
| 23:03.27 | thewanderer1 | mado: digiKam. I would also say F-Spot, but it uses mono => is ugly |
| 23:03.32 | mewshi | Broadcom? |
| 23:03.35 | lenswipe|newpc | jhutchins_lt, so yeah... |
| 23:03.40 | abrotman | yeah .. lspci -nn .. which one ? |
| 23:03.51 | lenswipe|newpc | jhutchins_lt, thats what i get when i ask to view the log files from that massive screw up |
| 23:03.53 | foetus | thewanderer1: don't believe that :) |
| 23:03.55 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe|newpc: that was the result of make clean? |
| 23:04.02 | lenswipe|newpc | idk lemme try it |
| 23:04.13 | mado | why ugly? thewanderer1 |
| 23:04.16 | lenswipe|newpc | jhutchins_lt, make: *** No rule to make target `clean'. Stop. |
| 23:04.24 | lenswipe|newpc | faily inconclusive |
| 23:04.43 | lenswipe|newpc | jhutchins_lt, the command that produced that massive screw up i pasted was apt-get install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source |
| 23:05.03 | thewanderer1 | mado: it depends on whether you want to have mono (a Windows reminiscence) or not... in general, I prefer not :P |
| 23:05.08 | jhutchins_lt | mewshi: Well, broadcom just open-sourced all their drivers. |
| 23:05.17 | mewshi | Really? o.o |
| 23:05.18 | mado | jhutchins_lt, nice :) |
| 23:05.19 | jhutchins_lt | !broadcom |
| 23:05.19 | dpkg | Broadcom Corporation is an integrated circuits supplier. For wireless LAN chipset drivers, ask me about <b43>, <wl>, <brcm80211>. For Ethernet chipset support, ask me about <bnx2>, <bnx2x>, <tg3>. |
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| 23:05.35 | mado | thewanderer1, i understand :) |
| 23:05.36 | thewanderer1 | mewshi: mostly an aesthetical issue... |
| 23:05.37 | jhutchins_lt | mewshi: It won't have percolated all the way to debian yet, but it can be done. |
| 23:05.48 | thewanderer1 | s/mewshi/mado/ |
| 23:05.58 | jhutchins_lt | mewshi: If it can be done in ubuntu or mint, it can be done in debian, it's just a matter of figuring out how. |
| 23:06.09 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: er what? you said open sourced? |
| 23:06.18 | jhutchins_lt | Yep. Saw the news today. |
| 23:06.21 | thewanderer1 | O.o |
| 23:06.24 | mado | well ... please excuse me for a moment |
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| 23:06.43 | foetus | was never been superstitious :) |
| 23:06.55 | mewshi | Now, can someone tell me why I would want to run Debian over Ubuntu or Mint? |
| 23:06.56 | Louis11 | I am attempting to run a cron on a python script I wrote. The python script works when run independently from command line. However, when the cron attempts to run it, it fails to locate a necessary module. How do I fix this? |
| 23:07.04 | thewanderer1 | oh, of course no BCM4312 or any other LP-PHY's |
| 23:07.06 | Louis11 | oops sorry, didn't mean to paste that twice |
| 23:07.34 | thewanderer1 | I just ran "reboot" but the machine is not coming back up... grrr |
| 23:07.34 | Backup | mewshi: because ubuntu sucks |
| 23:07.43 | abrotman | mewshi: because you get to ask us questoins! :) |
| 23:07.51 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: but those drivers aren't in squeeze yet |
| 23:08.04 | mewshi | Well, I mean, what are its advantages? |
| 23:08.04 | abrotman | if they make it there at all |
| 23:08.08 | abrotman | !why debian |
| 23:08.09 | dpkg | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ (archived at http://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian) http://www.aboutdebian.com/ . As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian. |
| 23:08.25 | jhutchins_lt | Louis11: Allways use full explicit paths in cron jobs - cron does not have the same path/environment as you do. |
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| 23:08.51 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: No, like I said it just happened today and won't have percolated, but they're there. |
| 23:09.21 | abrotman | yay or something |
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| 23:10.04 | mewshi | now, I know debian has a reputation for having... older software in its repos. Is this still true? |
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| 23:10.39 | jhutchins_lt | http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS2486458776.html |
| 23:11.17 | jhutchins_lt | mewshi: Debian has a stable release that does NOT have the latest, greatest bleeding-edge releases of everything. |
| 23:11.20 | dondelelcaro | mewshi: our stable releases have older software, because that's the only way to have a stable release. Our unstable repositories and experimental repositories tend to have stuff on the bleeding edge. |
| 23:11.21 | mee | mewshi: short answer is yes |
| 23:11.48 | nsadmin | mewshi, you know what, install it, try it, see if you like it |
| 23:11.53 | nsadmin | or not. |
| 23:12.00 | mewshi | I'm just trying to get a good feel |
| 23:12.02 | jhutchins_lt | mewshi: However, these days that really doesn't matter as much. Debian stable has been well tested, many of the programs have been patched and improved, and there are backports when important features or fixes come out. |
| 23:12.14 | nsadmin | that would be how you would do that |
| 23:12.17 | lenswipe|newpc | jhutchins_lt, help :s |
| 23:13.19 | mewshi | How unstable and experimental are those respective branches? Also, when I installed Debian on my desktop, I could figure out how to upgrade properly to unstable or experimental. If I do it on my netbook, could I get help properly doing that? :) |
| 23:13.29 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe|newpc: First, that wasn't a screw-up, that was the output of make clean |
| 23:13.38 | lenswipe|newpc | it was? |
| 23:13.40 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe|newpc: What make clean does is clean up from previous builds. |
| 23:13.45 | lenswipe|newpc | right |
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| 23:13.55 | lenswipe|newpc | either way how do i get this stuff installed? |
| 23:13.59 | nsadmin | unstable and experimental are not supported here |
| 23:14.00 | jhutchins_lt | On to make - probably with that -f argument. |
| 23:14.24 | lenswipe|newpc | jhutchins_lt, where do i run make though? |
| 23:14.33 | lenswipe|newpc | nsadmin, this is neither unstable nor experimental |
| 23:14.41 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe|newpc: Didn't I warn you about finding a guide to follow instead of trying to get by on irc? |
| 23:14.57 | lenswipe|newpc | jhutchins_lt, im using a guide |
| 23:15.00 | lenswipe|newpc | it doesnt work |
| 23:15.08 | lenswipe|newpc | thats why im having this conversation in the first place |
| 23:15.25 | lenswipe|newpc | jhutchins_lt, apt-get install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source |
| 23:15.38 | lenswipe|newpc | when i run that i get that thing saying it failed and do i want to view the output etc etc |
| 23:15.57 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe|newpc: Was what you posted the output of view? |
| 23:16.04 | lenswipe|newpc | that was it |
| 23:16.08 | lenswipe|newpc | that looooong paste |
| 23:16.47 | lenswipe|newpc | http://pastebin.com/eXmrHVaQ |
| 23:16.49 | lenswipe|newpc | that one |
| 23:16.51 | lenswipe|newpc | thats the output of view |
| 23:17.19 | qq- | lenswipe|newpc, ^^ nvidia-kernel-source > that pack not your ... |
| 23:17.29 | lenswipe|newpc | qq-, ??? |
| 23:17.33 | lenswipe|newpc | i dont understand |
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| 23:19.48 | qq- | lenswipe|newpc, ask dpkg about nvidia |
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| 23:20.49 | lenswipe|newpc | qq-, ive been there before |
| 23:20.54 | jhutchins_lt | qq-: He's been 'round that once already. |
| 23:20.58 | lenswipe|newpc | qq-, that tutorial gives me this crap |
| 23:21.10 | jhutchins_lt | qq-: He's running a backport kernel, and the nvidia automation doesn't seem to work with it. |
| 23:21.33 | APAXA | guys how can i see a list of all the users on my system? |
| 23:21.40 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe|newpc: Unfortunately nvidia has been updating their chipsets like mad with no backward compatibility, and the guide has fallen behind. |
| 23:21.42 | lenswipe|newpc | APAXA, w |
| 23:21.49 | APAXA | thanks |
| 23:21.54 | lenswipe|newpc | jhutchins_lt, okay - so... |
| 23:21.59 | bzed | APAXA: logged in users or user accounts? |
| 23:22.03 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe|newpc: We are now at the point where people are trying to figure out how to do it with the new stuff - people like you. |
| 23:22.25 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe|newpc: So what I would do is take a look at using the nvidia drivers according to the nvidia instructions. |
| 23:22.30 | APAXA | no w is not the command im after |
| 23:22.33 | APAXA | thats a list of active users |
| 23:22.39 | lenswipe|newpc | jhutchins_lt, so go to the nvidia website? |
| 23:22.39 | APAXA | I want to know the list of users on my system |
| 23:22.42 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe|newpc: Be aware that we can't suppor that here, and #nvidia has a nasty reputation. |
| 23:22.48 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe|newpc: Yes. |
| 23:22.51 | lenswipe|newpc | jhutchins_lt, right |
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| 23:23.05 | jhutchins_lt | APAXA: cat /etc/passwd |
| 23:23.19 | APAXA | thanks |
| 23:23.19 | jhutchins_lt | APAXA: Many of those are system accounts. |
| 23:23.22 | bzed | APAXA: note that w migth not show all users |
| 23:23.28 | lenswipe|newpc | jhutchins_lt, so go to the nvidia website and look ther? |
| 23:23.38 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe|newpc: That's what I would do next. |
| 23:23.39 | APAXA | yep going to rip out the system accounts which I dont need |
| 23:23.48 | lenswipe|newpc | okay |
| 23:23.48 | jhutchins_lt | APAXA: BAD idea. |
| 23:23.51 | APAXA | is there a specifc account which would remove the directorys associated to thsoe accounts? |
| 23:23.55 | APAXA | jhutchins_lt why? |
| 23:24.00 | bzed | jhutchins_lt, APAXA: /etc/passwed might not be the only source for a list of users. getent passwd is the proper way |
| 23:24.10 | APAXA | ahh ok |
| 23:24.24 | jhutchins_lt | APAXA: 1) You don't know how to find them, so you probably don't know what all of them do. 2) You don't know how to safely remove them. |
| 23:24.32 | APAXA | why would i want system accounts on my system when im not using those services...? |
| 23:24.42 | APAXA | jhutchins_lt reading some linux books it's all in there explaining each one |
| 23:24.51 | jhutchins_lt | bzed: What are the chances that a person asking that question is using NIS or LDAP? |
| 23:24.51 | APAXA | but doesnt really specify what cmd to issue to remove it |
| 23:24.56 | bzed | APAXA: w shows only users which wrote themselv into utmp. just ask ps -Af or so about the uids doing stuff :) |
| 23:25.02 | bzed | jhutchins_lt: you never know :) |
| 23:25.19 | bzed | jhutchins_lt: also it makes sense to tell them th eproper way in the beginning |
| 23:25.44 | jhutchins_lt | APAXA: The only PROPER way to do that is to remove the packages that create those users. |
| 23:25.51 | jhutchins_lt | APAXA: http://tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/index.html |
| 23:25.55 | APAXA | ahh i see |
| 23:26.18 | nsadmin | APAXA, 3) some parts of the system requires each of those users, so if you get rid of them you screw up some part of your system. Maybe you'd be happier with linux from scratch. |
| 23:26.31 | jhutchins_lt | APAXA: If you step outside the package management and configuration management systems, you are very likely to break them, and to ultimately break your system past recovery. |
| 23:26.40 | jhutchins_lt | APAXA: Not at first mind you, but eventually. |
| 23:26.58 | mado | thewanderer1, ? are you still here? |
| 23:27.03 | APAXA | ahh crap |
| 23:27.05 | jhutchins_lt | APAXA: Now if you're an experienced linux administrator and know how to get along without the management tools, that's a different matter. |
| 23:27.10 | APAXA | might skip that step then |
| 23:27.19 | thewanderer1 | mado: yeah |
| 23:27.20 | foetus | be aware from such curious stuff..you never should do something to system accounts |
| 23:27.23 | jhutchins_lt | APAXA: You can always come back to it. |
| 23:27.34 | mado | thewanderer1, may i talk privately to you for a sec? |
| 23:27.34 | APAXA | so i shouldnt even touch the users? |
| 23:27.50 | jhutchins_lt | APAXA: Not unless you know that you need to, and for system accounts you don't. |
| 23:27.51 | foetus | and you don't need to do it. |
| 23:28.19 | thewanderer1 | mado: why not carry on here? |
| 23:28.32 | mado | thought it could be disturbing but ok |
| 23:28.41 | jhutchins_lt | mado: You were getting your broadcom to work? |
| 23:29.12 | mado | jhutchins_lt, as far as i know it works ... but i'll be able to tell you more a bit later |
| 23:29.29 | mado | because i e.g. need to find out what broadcom it is :) jhutchins_lt |
| 23:29.55 | mado | thewanderer1, you recommended digikam for photo-managment ... ok ... but what about all those other files i have? |
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| 23:30.53 | thewanderer1 | mado: make directories for them and categorize accordingly |
| 23:30.58 | jhutchins_lt | mado: lspci |
| 23:31.34 | mado | yes thewanderer1 but i'd like to know ... there must be a way to display all of them and then insert them first in one folder ... then i would categorize them |
| 23:31.58 | mado | i tried e.g. "kfind" but i can't move the files from the search-result in a folder |
| 23:32.05 | APAXA | jhutchins_lt pm please |
| 23:32.05 | foetus | must go to sleep |
| 23:32.14 | foetus | so bye |
| 23:32.15 | thewanderer1 | mado: you can use find to display all their names, and then scroll through the list and select what you please |
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| 23:32.44 | mado | well ... i'd like all of them in one folder as a start :) thewanderer1 |
| 23:33.26 | mado | jhutchins_lt, just saw it's not a wireless-thingie but it's something else ... -> 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4401-B0 100Base-TX (rev 02) |
| 23:33.39 | jhutchins_lt | mado: Most of those just work. |
| 23:34.12 | mado | jhutchins_lt, that's my wireless -> 0c:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network Connection (rev 61) |
| 23:34.38 | thewanderer1 | mado: so make a list of them all and then use a smart bash line to make hardlinks for you so that you don't move them all but keep them in 2 places so as to see them more clearly |
| 23:34.49 | thewanderer1 | then you sort the hardlinks |
| 23:35.00 | thewanderer1 | and when the originals are no more needed, you delete them |
| 23:35.59 | mado | thewanderer1, make a list ... that could take a long while since there are hundreds :) ... and ... i didn't understand the rest ... i'm a newbie ... or whatever you call it :) |
| 23:36.29 | thewanderer1 | mado: if you ask #bash, they might give you some ideas how to take control over your files :P |
| 23:37.05 | DDRP | I've had enough of trying to run pbuilder in a VM... here comes a specially rolled dedicated server >=\ |
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| 23:37.14 | mado | i understand thewanderer1 ... thank you |
| 23:37.37 | nsadmin | !fundamentals |
| 23:37.37 | dpkg | You'll get more out of Debian and *nix if you learn some of the fundamentals. Read the "Unix and Internet Fundamentals" HOWTO at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO/ Then, read the Debian Reference at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ See also <rute>. |
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| 23:42.09 | ^james_foo^ | hi. my debian install in qemu is running much to slow (only the framebuffer i think). i do not find a fine howto for headless install via simulated serial. and i do not find an option for the installer (netinstall) to use text mode. any help? |
| 23:43.08 | nsadmin | if it's headless, what's the purpose of the frame buffer? |
| 23:43.13 | ^james_foo^ | oh. sorry. i'll try the xpert install now |
| 23:43.15 | bint | if i disable root login via ssh, - login via ssh, su to root, delete all existing accounts and quit |
| 23:43.23 | bint | i cant access my server anymore right? |
| 23:43.26 | bint | there's no way then |
| 23:43.46 | ^james_foo^ | nsadmin: it's *not* headless, 'cause i dunno how to install debian that way, sorry, that's one of my problems :) |
| 23:44.26 | ^james_foo^ | i do not want automated or such, but interactive, only via serial, if possible |
| 23:44.57 | ^james_foo^ | nsadmin: any link to an howto for that? |
| 23:45.08 | bzed | bint: stop all running processes |
| 23:45.19 | bzed | bint: one might open a door again |
| 23:45.37 | bzed | ^james_foo^: I doubt that framebuffer is your problem |
| 23:45.45 | bzed | ^james_foo^: qemu is slow in general |
| 23:46.56 | ^james_foo^ | bzed: i just noticed that the expert mode's boot messages just fly by, while the non-expert mode menus are slow as laris :/ i think this *is* the framebuffer's fault |
| 23:47.14 | bzed | ^james_foo^: hmm, are you using the graphics mode od the installer? |
| 23:47.25 | ^james_foo^ | i'll try again looking for the menu of the expert mode |
| 23:47.32 | bzed | ^james_foo^: that might be then, indeed. just use the text based version |
| 23:47.45 | ^james_foo^ | bzed: nope, of course not. but as ju know, the framebuffer modes *are* graphics modes for the vga |
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| 23:50.17 | ^james_foo^ | hmno. doesn't work well either. as soon as the menu part starts, it runs very slow again, even in expert mode. i just don't understand why i don't find a serial-console-qemu-howto. must be stoopid |
| 23:51.00 | ^james_foo^ | googling on |
| 23:52.09 | ^james_foo^ | vga=normal still is vga... i'd like vga=text or so... or vga=80x25 maybe, but those don't exist? |
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| 23:52.25 | lenswipe|newpc | hey guys |
| 23:52.42 | lenswipe|newpc | can someone tell me how to stop Xorg? |
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| 23:53.21 | lenswipe|newpc | nvm |
| 23:54.41 | nsadmin | ^james_foo^: try vga=ask |
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| 23:56.42 | qq- | ^james_foo^, ask #qemu |
| 23:57.51 | ^james_foo^ | nsadmin: hm, only what to answer then? |
| 23:57.59 | ^james_foo^ | qq-: yeah, good idea, will do |
| 23:58.24 | nsadmin | tias |
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