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| 00:01.43 | lenswipe|newpc | hey guys |
| 00:01.46 | lenswipe|newpc | i cant open synaptic |
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| 00:01.52 | lenswipe|newpc | it asks me for my password and then vanishes |
| 00:02.04 | lenswipe|newpc | nvm |
| 00:02.06 | lenswipe|newpc | thats it open |
| 00:02.25 | lenswipe|newpc | actuallu no |
| 00:02.40 | lenswipe|newpc | i cant open synaptic from the GTK menu under System > Administration > Synaptic |
| 00:02.48 | lenswipe|newpc | i get asked for a password and then nothing else happens |
| 00:02.53 | lenswipe|newpc | can someone provide some insight into this? |
| 00:04.39 | MrFrood | lenswipe|newpc: it needs the root password |
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| 00:08.43 | lenswipe|newpc | hey guys |
| 00:08.52 | lenswipe|newpc | synaptic wont open for me |
| 00:09.03 | lenswipe|newpc | i click synaptic under administration and it asks for a password and then does nothing |
| 00:09.36 | lenswipe|newpc | can someone help? |
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| 00:10.24 | MrFrood | lenswipe|newpc: you are using the root password? |
| 00:10.50 | lenswipe|newpc | MrFrood, yes |
| 00:10.55 | lenswipe|newpc | it doesnt throw an auth error |
| 00:11.00 | lenswipe|newpc | it just goes away and does nothig |
| 00:11.02 | lenswipe|newpc | nothing* |
| 00:11.15 | lenswipe|newpc | i can get into synaptic by opening terminal and running "sudo synaptic" but apart from that nothing |
| 00:11.22 | MrFrood | what version of debian are you using |
| 00:11.25 | lenswipe|newpc | lenny |
| 00:12.00 | MrFrood | Q: does aptitude work? |
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| 00:12.59 | crashanddie | lenswipe|newpc: from the command line: gksu synaptic |
| 00:13.01 | lenswipe|newpc | MrFrood, sure it does |
| 00:13.04 | lenswipe|newpc | crashanddie, okay |
| 00:13.23 | lenswipe|newpc | crashanddie, returns no output |
| 00:13.25 | MrFrood | and can you switch to root mode in aptitude? |
| 00:13.31 | lenswipe|newpc | MrFrood, sure |
| 00:14.13 | nsadmin | is aptitude running when you try synaptic? |
| 00:16.01 | MrFrood | the behaviour you are describing is what happens when the wrong password is entered, but if aptitude is working in root mode you have the right password |
| 00:16.55 | lenswipe|newpc | yeah |
| 00:17.02 | lenswipe|newpc | it doesnt give me any error messag |
| 00:17.07 | lenswipe|newpc | it just silently dies |
| 00:17.08 | lenswipe|newpc | nsadmin, npoe |
| 00:17.26 | MrFrood | what happens if you open a terminal su to root mode and start synaptic from the shell prompt? |
| 00:17.37 | lenswipe|newpc | right now gksu synaptic is still hanging doing nothing |
| 00:17.57 | lenswipe|newpc | MrFrood, that works |
| 00:18.56 | MrFrood | so it looks like an issue with gksu - have you got anything else using gksu that you can try opening? |
| 00:19.29 | lenswipe|newpc | uh |
| 00:19.29 | lenswipe|newpc | yeah |
| 00:19.31 | lenswipe|newpc | nautilus |
| 00:19.45 | MrFrood | try it |
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| 00:20.13 | lenswipe|newpc | MrFrood, exactly the same |
| 00:20.45 | MrFrood | ok, so we now know the issue is with gksu |
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| 00:21.39 | lenswipe|newpc | yeah |
| 00:21.48 | lenswipe|newpc | two seconds |
| 00:21.56 | lenswipe|newpc | Avant Window Navigator is locking up on me |
| 00:21.56 | lenswipe|newpc | brb |
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| 00:23.55 | ^james_foo^ | fyi: debian-installer/framebuffer=false was what i was looking for. not the real serial install, but workable for now |
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| 00:24.14 | lenswipe|newpc | okay |
| 00:24.15 | lenswipe|newpc | im back |
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| 00:24.23 | MrFrood | lenswipe|newpc can you try using gksu to open synaptic from the shell prompt and see if you get any intresting output |
| 00:25.02 | lenswipe|newpc | sure |
| 00:25.16 | lenswipe|newpc | nothing |
| 00:25.20 | lenswipe|newpc | it just hangs at the prompt |
| 00:25.33 | MrFrood | (I'm just wondering if gksu is trying to use sudo instead of su) |
| 00:26.02 | MrFrood | ok try again with the -w option on gksu |
| 00:27.34 | MrFrood | ( -w should force the use of su) |
| 00:28.01 | lenswipe|newpc | ok |
| 00:30.17 | lenswipe|newpc | MrFrood, still nothing |
| 00:30.21 | lenswipe|newpc | it just silently dies |
| 00:31.47 | MrFrood | try again with the -d option on gksu (gksu -d command) - pastebin any useful output |
| 00:32.13 | nsadmin | why is gksu required? |
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| 00:32.44 | MrFrood | gksu runs X programs as root |
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| 00:33.11 | nsadmin | there's a few other ways |
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| 00:33.32 | lenswipe|newpc | MrFrood, http://pastebin.com/epR74MsJ |
| 00:33.45 | nsadmin | one or two of which he already did |
| 00:33.51 | MrFrood | yeah, but gksu is what the debian menu system uses |
| 00:37.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | is there something better than ctrl-c to interrupt rsync -axH --remove-source-files to continue it next day? |
| 00:37.35 | MrFrood | lenswipe|newpc: As root: "aptitude purge gksu && aptitude install gksu" purge should get rid of any messed up configuration files. |
| 00:37.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | rsync |
| 00:37.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops |
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| 00:38.38 | nsadmin | what signals does rsync respond to? |
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| 00:39.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | don't see any on the manpage |
| 00:39.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's probably ok |
| 00:40.28 | lenswipe|newpc | MrFrood, wtf it says its removing gnome desktop environment... |
| 00:40.32 | extor | Supposing I was building a Xen server and I had a choice between a phenom II X4 and a phenom II X6. Would the X6 truly be like 50% more horsepower for multithreaded Xen Dom0 containers? |
| 00:41.45 | MrFrood | gnome desktop environment is a meta package linking to all the gnome apps, all the apps except gksu will still be installed |
| 00:42.11 | lenswipe|newpc | ok i ran it |
| 00:42.16 | lenswipe|newpc | MrFrood, now what |
| 00:42.28 | lenswipe|newpc | MrFrood, fuck me |
| 00:42.32 | lenswipe|newpc | all the stuff from the admin menu has gone |
| 00:42.33 | lenswipe|newpc | D: |
| 00:42.34 | lenswipe|newpc | HELP! |
| 00:42.36 | MrFrood | try gksu again |
| 00:42.38 | lenswipe|newpc | nonono |
| 00:42.43 | lenswipe|newpc | the admin menu is empty |
| 00:42.47 | lenswipe|newpc | what have you done? |
| 00:42.56 | jelly-home | !help |
| 00:43.02 | MrFrood | did gksu reinstall? |
| 00:43.05 | lenswipe|newpc | jelly-home, this is important |
| 00:43.14 | lenswipe|newpc | MrFrood, idk |
| 00:43.14 | nsadmin | oh calm yourself... it's just packages |
| 00:43.19 | MrFrood | don't panic |
| 00:43.23 | lenswipe|newpc | why not? |
| 00:43.28 | lenswipe|newpc | a shit load of stuff just vanished |
| 00:43.40 | MrFrood | did gksu reinstall? |
| 00:43.41 | lenswipe|newpc | how am i gonna get that stuff back? |
| 00:43.42 | lenswipe|newpc | idk |
| 00:43.43 | jelly-home | lenswipe|newpc: and you have a list of exactly what vanished. |
| 00:43.47 | lenswipe|newpc | yes |
| 00:43.49 | nsadmin | so if you panic or if you don't panic, will the situation change? |
| 00:43.52 | lenswipe|newpc | jelly-home, no i dont |
| 00:43.55 | lenswipe|newpc | thats thr problem |
| 00:44.00 | jelly-home | lenswipe|newpc: why don't you? |
| 00:44.08 | MrFrood | it's all still there - don't panic |
| 00:44.14 | jelly-home | lenswipe|newpc: do you not have the command's output? |
| 00:44.16 | lenswipe|newpc | jelly-home, because i dont remember being told this would happen |
| 00:44.22 | lenswipe|newpc | yeah i have the commands output |
| 00:44.26 | jelly-home | lenswipe|newpc: read it. |
| 00:44.27 | lenswipe|newpc | do i have to go and re-install all that shit |
| 00:44.45 | jelly-home | has a feeling of deja vu |
| 00:44.53 | jelly-home | lenswipe|newpc: possibly |
| 00:44.57 | lenswipe|newpc | thanks a bunch |
| 00:45.00 | lenswipe|newpc | >:{ |
| 00:45.17 | MrFrood | lenswipe|newpc: the stuff that used gksu has dissapeared, if you reinstalled gksu it will back next time you login |
| 00:45.33 | lenswipe|newpc | so i relogin and it all comes back? |
| 00:45.35 | lenswipe|newpc | ....brb |
| 00:45.36 | jelly-home | that's what happens when you just answer [y] before reading what aptitude tells you what will happen |
| 00:45.36 | nsadmin | having this emotional response, does that change the situation? |
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| 00:45.59 | jelly-home | nsadmin: well it makes it a bit funnier |
| 00:46.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, seems with sigint it just erases the partial copy of the file it's transferring at the moment... oh well, had just finished one - still wonder if there's a signal that lets it finish the current file (but seems there's not) |
| 00:46.49 | nsadmin | is man rsync the full manual? or is there other docs? |
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| 00:47.07 | lenswipe | MrFrood, well gksuo did re-install |
| 00:47.12 | lenswipe | i logged out and logged in |
| 00:47.19 | lenswipe | ....i no longer have a GUI |
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| 00:47.23 | lenswipe | MrFrood, thank you very much |
| 00:47.31 | lenswipe | how do i fix this shit? |
| 00:47.41 | nsadmin | try aptitude install gnome |
| 00:47.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, oh, right... should be info I think |
| 00:48.02 | lenswipe | nsadmin, how about apt-get install gdm? |
| 00:48.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmh, no |
| 00:48.15 | nsadmin | under lenny? |
| 00:48.27 | lenswipe | yes |
| 00:48.32 | nsadmin | use aptitude |
| 00:48.38 | lenswipe | okay i have a GUI back but the menus are in high contrast |
| 00:48.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes... what was that thing called a lot of info-pages are under... |
| 00:48.52 | MrFrood | install the gnome desktop environment package that should reinstall anythe that removing gksu removed |
| 00:48.59 | lenswipe | nsadmin, oh and all the stock themes are gone |
| 00:49.07 | nsadmin | dwww? |
| 00:49.08 | lenswipe | ALL OF THEM |
| 00:49.12 | lenswipe | nsadmin, ?? |
| 00:49.28 | nsadmin | so I'm being blamed for something? :) |
| 00:49.32 | lenswipe | no |
| 00:49.35 | lenswipe | im not blaming you for anything |
| 00:49.56 | lenswipe | however i would like to know how to get a function GNOME desktop back again |
| 00:50.03 | MrFrood | lenswipe: aptitude install gnome-desktop-environment |
| 00:50.04 | lenswipe | i have gnome installed but all the menus are in high contrast |
| 00:50.18 | nsadmin | is that bad? |
| 00:50.29 | lenswipe | yes |
| 00:50.31 | lenswipe | very bad |
| 00:50.35 | lenswipe | oh |
| 00:50.40 | nsadmin | oh, ok... |
| 00:50.44 | lenswipe | and all the stuff is *STILL* missing form the menus |
| 00:51.14 | MrFrood | lenswipe: install gnome-desktop-environment, |
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| 00:51.29 | lenswipe | i |
| 00:51.30 | lenswipe | did |
| 00:51.31 | lenswipe | . |
| 00:52.02 | MrFrood | and have you logged out and back in since then? |
| 00:52.10 | lenswipe | yes |
| 00:52.11 | lenswipe | >:{ |
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| 00:52.54 | MrFrood | just out curiosty is gksu working? |
| 00:53.06 | lenswipe | MrFrood, yes its about the only thing that is |
| 00:53.14 | lenswipe | i would take a screenshot but that doesnt work either |
| 00:53.15 | lenswipe | thanks alot |
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| 00:53.48 | lenswipe | nsadmin, suggestions? |
| 00:53.49 | MrFrood | and you have definatly run the command "aptitude install gnome-desktop-environment" |
| 00:53.56 | lenswipe | MrFrood, yes i definately have |
| 00:54.01 | lenswipe | ill even go and run it again |
| 00:54.23 | MrFrood | you should have everything you had before then |
| 00:55.10 | lenswipe | w8 hang on |
| 00:55.14 | lenswipe | someting is happening |
| 00:55.31 | MrFrood | ? |
| 00:55.35 | sedstapler | lenswipe: if in doubt, also try a fresh user (with the right group memberships) |
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| 00:55.43 | sedstapler | => helps to weed out system vs. config problems |
| 00:56.11 | lenswipe | hmm its installing some stuff |
| 00:56.46 | MrFrood | once it's finished installing log out & back in |
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| 00:58.02 | lenswipe | MrFrood, ok lets see wat happenss now |
| 00:58.05 | lenswipe | *drumroll* |
| 00:58.12 | lenswipe | yay |
| 00:58.15 | lenswipe | there we go |
| 00:58.24 | lenswipe | /eventually/ |
| 00:58.28 | lenswipe | and gksu works now |
| 00:58.35 | MrFrood | ... crosses fingers |
| 00:58.40 | lenswipe | too |
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| 00:58.41 | lenswipe | ...or it did |
| 00:58.48 | lenswipe | sh** its stopped working again |
| 00:58.56 | lenswipe | MrFrood, yep gksu is dead again |
| 00:59.10 | MrFrood | and your gui? |
| 00:59.13 | abrotman | !enter |
| 00:59.13 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 00:59.30 | lenswipe | MrFrood, my GUI is back, but gksu doesnt work anymore :/ |
| 01:00.00 | lenswipe | i wonder... |
| 01:00.06 | lenswipe | *disables compiz* |
| 01:00.23 | lenswipe | ...no it still doesnt work |
| 01:01.14 | MrFrood | lenswipe: I'm just reading the aptituse man mage bare with me a minute |
| 01:01.19 | lenswipe | ok |
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| 01:02.54 | mado | please excuse me for a minute or so |
| 01:03.43 | MrFrood | It appears there is no switch to force aptitude reinstall config stuff :( |
| 01:04.05 | dondelelcaro | !tell MrFrood -about confmiss |
| 01:04.24 | MrFrood | That said try "aptitude reinstall gksu" |
| 01:04.47 | MrFrood | dondelelcaro: that should be |
| 01:04.58 | nsadmin | dondelelcaro, that;s only if it's missing |
| 01:05.10 | nsadmin | it probably wasn't, just wanted replace it |
| 01:05.26 | MrFrood | !tell lenswipe -about confmiss |
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| 01:06.19 | lenswipe | MrFrood, i dont get what its saying |
| 01:08.08 | lenswipe | .. |
| 01:08.43 | nsadmin | lenswipe, we're already past that, but dpkg just outlined a way to replace config files missing from packages |
| 01:08.52 | MrFrood | lenswipe: try the command "aptitude --force-confmiss reinstall gksu" |
| 01:08.59 | lenswipe | u want me to run that? |
| 01:09.00 | lenswipe | ok |
| 01:09.48 | nsadmin | that;s not going to get the UI stuff the way you want, but it will replace missing gksu configs |
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| 01:10.13 | lenswipe|newpc | aptitude: unrecognised option `--force-confmiss' |
| 01:11.22 | MrFrood | check that message again for the right aptitude option |
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| 01:14.08 | lenswipe|newpc | i did |
| 01:14.12 | lenswipe|newpc | i dont see any that does what i need |
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| 01:14.55 | MrFrood | just try "aptitude reinstall gksu" then |
| 01:15.13 | lenswipe|newpc | okay |
| 01:15.19 | MrFrood | !tell MrFrood -about confmiss |
| 01:15.46 | abrotman | !tell MrFrood about confmiss |
| 01:15.51 | abrotman | !tell MrFrood about selftell |
| 01:15.51 | abrotman | duh |
| 01:17.46 | MrFrood | lenswipe|newpc: "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall gksu" seems to be the right command |
| 01:17.54 | MrFrood | abrotman: ta |
| 01:18.04 | lenswipe|newpc | ok |
| 01:18.42 | lenswipe|newpc | MrFrood, um... |
| 01:18.56 | lenswipe|newpc | it drops me into something that looks like an ASCII version of synaptic |
| 01:19.17 | abrotman | huh? |
| 01:19.31 | MrFrood | thats the gui version of synaptic |
| 01:19.52 | MrFrood | that should not happen |
| 01:20.02 | abrotman | of aptitude you mean? |
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| 01:20.20 | MrFrood | yeah sorry aptitude :| |
| 01:21.42 | MrFrood | Can somebody check I got that aptitude line right please? |
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| 01:22.28 | abrotman | seems fine |
| 01:22.55 | MrFrood | so why did it drop into the gui... |
| 01:23.37 | SerajewelKS | what exactly did you type into the console? |
| 01:23.50 | abrotman | maybe his mistyped the " with ' or ` .. who knows |
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| 01:24.51 | MrFrood | lenswipe|newpc: is |
| 01:24.57 | MrFrood | lenswipe|newpc: aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall gksu |
| 01:25.10 | MrFrood | lenswipe|newpc: what you typed in? |
| 01:25.13 | lenswipe|newpc | yes |
| 01:25.15 | lenswipe|newpc | oh wait |
| 01:25.18 | SerajewelKS | i don't think the quotes are necessary |
| 01:25.20 | lenswipe|newpc | aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmis |
| 01:25.22 | lenswipe|newpc | i typed that |
| 01:25.29 | abrotman | and the rest of the line ? |
| 01:31.58 | lenswipe|newpc | thats what i typed in |
| 01:32.20 | MrFrood | and the gui still came up? |
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| 01:32.24 | Gambit- | evenin' chaps |
| 01:32.31 | lenswipe|newpc | MrFrood, no |
| 01:32.34 | lenswipe|newpc | its doing it now i think |
| 01:32.38 | lenswipe|newpc | ok its done |
| 01:32.44 | Gambit- | I'm trying to figure out which debian netboot installer image to use for a qemu arm platform. |
| 01:32.45 | lenswipe|newpc | MrFrood, its finished doing its stuff, now what |
| 01:32.46 | MrFrood | so it reinstalled |
| 01:32.47 | Gambit- | Anyone traveled this path before? |
| 01:33.03 | lenswipe|newpc | MrFrood, huzaah! that fixed it |
| 01:33.04 | MrFrood | try it see if gksu works |
| 01:33.09 | lenswipe|newpc | ty |
| 01:33.16 | MrFrood | yay! |
| 01:33.22 | lenswipe|newpc | MrFrood, incidentally ive noticed that the printing setup thing has gone from the system menus |
| 01:33.25 | lenswipe|newpc | how do i get that back |
| 01:33.27 | lenswipe|newpc | to set printers up |
| 01:33.31 | MrFrood | and gnome is back to normal? |
| 01:33.35 | lenswipe|newpc | yeh |
| 01:34.03 | abrotman | Gambit-: isn't there only one now ? |
| 01:34.20 | Gambit- | abrotman, Isn't there only one what? |
| 01:34.35 | MrFrood | as to the prinnting there sill might be one or two packages you may have to reinstall |
| 01:34.39 | lenswipe|newpc | okay |
| 01:34.40 | abrotman | Gambit-: there's only one arm architecture now, right ? |
| 01:34.42 | lenswipe|newpc | which are they? |
| 01:35.05 | Gambit- | abrotman, I don't know :) There's quite a few subdirectories under the installer-armel, but I don't know what the 'el' stands for. |
| 01:35.31 | abrotman | little endian |
| 01:35.35 | Gambit- | Ahh |
| 01:35.36 | MrFrood | not sure, I set up cups using a web-page |
| 01:35.41 | abrotman | !armel |
| 01:35.41 | dpkg | armel is the Debian <ARM> EABI port, first released with <lenny>. http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. |
| 01:35.53 | Gambit- | links! docs! woot! :D |
| 01:36.05 | Gambit- | and an irc channel, no less |
| 01:36.33 | MrFrood | lenswipe|newpc: I suggest checking the debian wiki pages on printing |
| 01:36.36 | nsadmin | lenswipe|newpc, I think you'd be less upset/more courageous/more improvisational if you came to be able to determine what packages to install for things yourself... to this end, I present packages.debian.org, browse pkgs in stable dist |
| 01:36.49 | lenswipe|newpc | thanks |
| 01:36.55 | Gambit- | abrotman, I will go topical to that other channel; thank you! |
| 01:37.07 | lenswipe|newpc | nsadmin, that domain doesnt exist |
| 01:37.09 | lenswipe|newpc | its parked |
| 01:37.16 | lenswipe|newpc | either that or my nameservers arent up to dat |
| 01:37.18 | lenswipe|newpc | date* |
| 01:37.24 | nsadmin | checking |
| 01:37.38 | DDRP | Well I'm just provisioning a sparc64 boxen via Puppet |
| 01:37.47 | DDRP | non-standard archs ftw |
| 01:37.48 | nsadmin | works for me |
| 01:38.00 | nsadmin | about name servers... |
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| 01:38.00 | MrFrood | lenswipe|newpc: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/ |
| 01:38.14 | nsadmin | you don't have to depend on your ISP's name servers |
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| 01:38.45 | lenswipe|newpc | ty |
| 01:39.04 | nsadmin | do you use a debian or other linux machine as your gateway router? |
| 01:39.09 | MrFrood | yeah, googles nameservers are much faster :D |
| 01:39.35 | lenswipe|newpc | MrFrood, im using google name servers |
| 01:39.44 | lenswipe|newpc | nsadmin, i use smoothwall as my gateway router |
| 01:40.06 | nsadmin | smoothwall is running as your gw on a separate machine? |
| 01:40.19 | lenswipe|newpc | nsadmin, yep |
| 01:40.27 | lenswipe|newpc | why do you ask? |
| 01:40.53 | nsadmin | because you could run your own dns server on it, and point your machines at it |
| 01:41.26 | lenswipe|newpc | nsadmin, i do |
| 01:41.33 | lenswipe|newpc | it comes with BIND9 out of the box |
| 01:41.39 | lenswipe|newpc | but i use it for internal DNS |
| 01:41.58 | lenswipe|newpc | i set my machines to have that as the primary and googles primary as the secondary |
| 01:42.05 | nsadmin | it can be used for both internal and external |
| 01:42.10 | lenswipe|newpc | so i resolve local names first and then try the google nameservers |
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| 01:42.22 | MrFrood | lenswipe|newpc: have you set it up as a caching nameserver - that really speeds things up |
| 01:42.41 | lenswipe|newpc | MrFrood, yes it comes with dnsmasq too |
| 01:42.59 | lenswipe|newpc | dammit |
| 01:43.02 | lenswipe|newpc | not dnsmasq |
| 01:43.08 | lenswipe|newpc | cant remember the name of the package |
| 01:43.11 | lenswipe|newpc | but it comes with it |
| 01:43.12 | nsadmin | , versions ipmasq |
| 01:43.14 | judd | ipmasq -- etch: 4.0.8-2; lenny: 4.0.8-7 |
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| 01:43.42 | nsadmin | what packages substitute for ipmasq? |
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| 01:43.53 | abrotman | isn't one .. iptables scripts |
| 01:44.21 | abrotman | or some frontend |
| 01:44.23 | nsadmin | hmm. should it be maintained again? |
| 01:44.39 | nsadmin | or is there sufficient other stuff that does what it does? |
| 01:45.07 | nsadmin | when the maint dropped it, he claimed the latter, which I don't yet believe |
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| 01:45.38 | abrotman | are you volunteering ? |
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| 01:46.11 | nsadmin | if I did it, I'd probably split it into a general structure package and ipmasq |
| 01:46.27 | nsadmin | I'm not a maint |
| 01:46.42 | abrotman | you can be, you don't have to be a DD |
| 01:47.37 | nsadmin | I want to explore the maint's statement that there are already things that can do the job |
| 01:47.44 | nsadmin | brb |
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| 01:53.25 | nsadmin | as far as I can see, the package could be built on lenny at least... I made sure I grabbed the source pkg |
| 01:53.50 | lenswipe|newpc | MrFrood, you are not going to belive this |
| 01:54.32 | lenswipe|newpc | MrFrood, gksu has died again |
| 01:54.34 | lenswipe|newpc | unless |
| 01:54.36 | lenswipe|newpc | ima relogin |
| 01:54.39 | lenswipe|newpc | brb |
| 01:55.26 | nsadmin | as part of my research I would like to work with someone who understands iptables well to see if the current structure of ipmasq is generally useful and could therefore be factored out of ipmasq |
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| 01:56.18 | lenswipe|newpc | MrFrood, ok gksu works but synaptic doesnt anymore |
| 01:56.20 | lenswipe|newpc | ...weird |
| 01:56.33 | lenswipe|newpc | gksu synaptic works perfectly |
| 01:56.37 | lenswipe|newpc | but calling it from the menu doesnt |
| 01:56.39 | nsadmin | are you running aptitude somewhere? |
| 01:56.47 | lenswipe|newpc | not as far as i know |
| 01:56.50 | lenswipe|newpc | how do i check? |
| 01:57.02 | nsadmin | there's a lock file that would exist |
| 01:57.03 | MrFrood | can you su in a terminal & try synaptic from the command line |
| 01:57.10 | lenswipe|newpc | okay |
| 01:57.23 | lenswipe|newpc | works perfectly |
| 01:57.33 | MrFrood | very weird |
| 01:57.35 | lenswipe|newpc | just no show from the admin menu thing |
| 01:57.35 | nsadmin | but if gksu synaptic works, it's probably not locked |
| 01:57.36 | lenswipe|newpc | still |
| 01:57.43 | jpinx | lenswipe|newpc: maybe try ps -e | grep aptitude |
| 01:58.10 | jpinx | and maybe grep for apt and dpkg as well |
| 01:58.11 | lenswipe|newpc | jpinx, nothing |
| 01:58.24 | MrFrood | if it ran from the root shell prompt it's not locked |
| 01:59.44 | MrFrood | whats the command to update debian menus? |
| 01:59.53 | nsadmin | update-menu |
| 02:00.02 | nsadmin | (surprising...) |
| 02:00.07 | lenswipe|newpc | sudo: update-menu: command not found |
| 02:00.08 | MrFrood | lenswipe|newpc: try it |
| 02:00.14 | nsadmin | hmm |
| 02:00.19 | lenswipe|newpc | :/ |
| 02:00.20 | nsadmin | update-menus |
| 02:00.35 | lenswipe|newpc | ok that did something |
| 02:00.40 | lenswipe|newpc | but synaptic still doesnt work |
| 02:00.46 | lenswipe|newpc | afaik |
| 02:00.52 | lenswipe|newpc | yeah |
| 02:00.54 | lenswipe|newpc | still nothing |
| 02:00.56 | MrFrood | try it as a normal user |
| 02:01.05 | lenswipe|newpc | try what? |
| 02:01.07 | lenswipe|newpc | synaptic? |
| 02:01.15 | MrFrood | update menus |
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| 02:01.57 | jpinx | lenswipe|newpc: look for /var/lib/apt/lists/lock |
| 02:02.41 | nsadmin | what's the effect of running update-menus as plain user? |
| 02:02.55 | lenswipe|newpc | jpinx, delete it? |
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| 02:03.02 | nsadmin | nono |
| 02:03.06 | jpinx | is there such a file? |
| 02:03.08 | lenswipe|newpc | nsadmin, idk lemme create a plain user and ill tell you |
| 02:03.09 | nsadmin | you must be running synaptic now |
| 02:03.12 | lenswipe|newpc | jpinx, idk |
| 02:03.29 | lenswipe|newpc | jpinx, yes there is |
| 02:03.39 | nsadmin | test -e /var/lib/apt/lists/lock && echo yes |
| 02:03.47 | jpinx | lenswipe|newpc: then something is running apt |
| 02:03.55 | lenswipe|newpc | ...weird |
| 02:03.56 | lenswipe|newpc | cos its not me |
| 02:04.12 | lenswipe|newpc | AHA! |
| 02:04.13 | jpinx | lenswipe|newpc: it is you - you have too many things going on at once ;)r |
| 02:04.16 | nsadmin | look thru your ps aux | less |
| 02:04.17 | lenswipe|newpc | i just ran pkill apt |
| 02:04.22 | lenswipe|newpc | then i went into the menu |
| 02:04.24 | lenswipe|newpc | and it works now |
| 02:04.24 | lenswipe|newpc | :D |
| 02:04.37 | lenswipe|newpc | oh hang on |
| 02:04.40 | lenswipe|newpc | i think i know whats going on |
| 02:04.42 | nsadmin | so the bug is: |
| 02:04.45 | jpinx | Eeeew - pkill apt is not the way to do it |
| 02:04.52 | lenswipe|newpc | when i open synaptic and then close it, it stays running |
| 02:04.59 | nsadmin | it doesn't inform you why it failed to run |
| 02:05.18 | lenswipe|newpc | nsadmin, nono, when i kill synaptic like i did up there- it runs after that |
| 02:05.22 | lenswipe|newpc | meaning it must already be running |
| 02:05.23 | nsadmin | which is incidiously unfriendly especially to a newcomer |
| 02:05.42 | lenswipe|newpc | which leads me to think that when i close it, it says running |
| 02:06.00 | nsadmin | right, just so you know, killing it like that could be dangerous |
| 02:06.23 | lenswipe|newpc | really? |
| 02:06.35 | lenswipe|newpc | why |
| 02:06.41 | nsadmin | if the lockfile exists, you want to find out why and from where it's running and try to exit normally |
| 02:06.46 | lenswipe|newpc | okay |
| 02:06.48 | lenswipe|newpc | how do i do that? |
| 02:06.51 | nsadmin | it could be in the middle of installing a package |
| 02:07.07 | lenswipe|newpc | nsadmin, its not |
| 02:07.14 | lenswipe|newpc | i havent installed anything since i logged in |
| 02:07.24 | nsadmin | if you kill it then, you end up with a package in some unknown and probably bad state |
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| 02:07.43 | MrFrood | talking of installing packages, anybody know whats going on with libqtgui4 in squeeze? |
| 02:08.06 | lenswipe|newpc | nsadmin, whats a good way to close it then? |
| 02:08.27 | nsadmin | first you find where it's running |
| 02:08.31 | lenswipe|newpc | how do i do that? |
| 02:08.44 | nsadmin | find where you started it |
| 02:08.49 | MrFrood | check all your windows |
| 02:08.53 | lenswipe|newpc | nsadmin, how? |
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| 02:09.02 | lenswipe|newpc | MrFrood, its not running anywhere else |
| 02:09.03 | lenswipe|newpc | i can see that |
| 02:09.36 | lenswipe|newpc | i actually have to go to bed guys |
| 02:09.38 | lenswipe|newpc | its late |
| 02:09.42 | lenswipe|newpc | can i continue this tommorow? |
| 02:09.58 | nsadmin | it could be dpkg running, it could be apt-get running (but don't use apt-get anymore), it could be aptitude running, it could be synaptic running, and probably others |
| 02:09.58 | MrFrood | anytime |
| 02:10.13 | nsadmin | any of those should produce the lock file |
| 02:10.21 | lenswipe|newpc | later guys |
| 02:10.22 | lenswipe|newpc | gnite |
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| 02:11.01 | MrFrood | Now, anybody know whats going on with libqtgui4 in squeeze? |
| 02:11.10 | abrotman | it's missing? |
| 02:11.40 | MrFrood | for the last five days or so whenever I update aptitude crashes out with the message |
| 02:11.55 | MrFrood | E: Failed to fetch http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/pool/main/q/qt4-x11/libqtgui4_4.6.3-1+b1_i386.deb: Hash Sum mismatch |
| 02:12.16 | nsadmin | you need to eat sum hash? |
| 02:12.35 | MrFrood | mmm |
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| 02:12.44 | abrotman | MrFrood: tried another mirror ? |
| 02:13.16 | nsadmin | pats his sources.list.m4.... |
| 02:14.19 | MrFrood | not yet (it's the uk.debian.org mirror) |
| 02:14.34 | abrotman | so try another one |
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| 02:15.48 | MrFrood | but that one is nice & close ... time to edit my sources list... |
| 02:16.23 | jpinx | !tell MrFrood about apt-spy |
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| 02:19.34 | abrotman | probably better to use debian.org/mirrors/list |
| 02:20.53 | nsadmin | yeah, apt-spy will tell you the fastest mirror of the moment... but it takes a good long time to do so. |
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| 02:24.17 | MrFrood | The Icelandic mirror did the trick :) |
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| 02:29.04 | wireddd | :/ can't get the net install to recognise my nic properly |
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| 02:35.53 | wireddd | any idea on how I can get it working? |
| 02:36.17 | wireddd | it loads with the r8169 module, and reading around it seems that I need to use the r8168 module |
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| 02:58.12 | dserban | ok, so I'm switching to wmii, giving up gnome. My question is: what packages do I install to have hal/dbus?? automount my usb stick when I plug it in? |
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| 03:00.04 | MrFrood | dserban: I'm not sure about this but I think you may want to look at halevt |
| 03:00.53 | dserban | MrFrood: great, something to go on :) |
| 03:01.21 | MrFrood | what version of debian are you using |
| 03:04.45 | MrFrood | just asking as ivman should also work with lenny |
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| 03:08.12 | dserban | MrFrood: thanks, it worked! |
| 03:08.17 | dserban | sorry I missed your question |
| 03:08.32 | dserban | I have to run sid, and I"m happy doing so... it breaks less often than windows.. :P |
| 03:09.58 | CrazyFoam | anyone using xen 4 in squeeze? i'm getting TX packet drops on all my domUs, some so severe SSH is no good, been fighting this all day merging kernel patches, etc. getting nowhere |
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| 03:10.29 | MrFrood | halevt then as ivman has problems with newer kernels |
| 03:10.31 | dserban | CrazyFoam: sorry, I totally gave up on xen... :/ for pretty much the same reasons |
| 03:10.53 | dserban | MrFrood: :o, hmm seems to work ok so far.. |
| 03:11.07 | CrazyFoam | dserban, tx drops specifically, or just that xen is rough on the edges in general? |
| 03:12.08 | dserban | CrazyFoam: tx drops, ... filesystem drops, you name it... lots of strange problems even xen devels couldn't help me with :/ I figured my time was worth more than a mobo/chip combo that supported vt in order to use kvm... kvm.. is solid. |
| 03:12.16 | dserban | and works as expected.. 100% of the time |
| 03:12.40 | cwryuu | I'm running vmware-server on lenny. Works nicely. |
| 03:12.55 | cwryuu | I think CentOS was the only distro that I got xen running decently |
| 03:13.05 | dserban | I was just lettin' ya know because I experienced it all. Over the course of 3 months. |
| 03:14.39 | cwryuu | The only weird thing about vmware-server I found was that the web interface gets pretty crappy if you use anything but localhost. Had to do ssh port forwarding hacks to make it work reliably :/ |
| 03:14.56 | CrazyFoam | i appreciate it, the last few weeks working with Xen have been great, performance was awesome until i booted up the 5th, 6th, 7th domU and got bit the horrendous packet drops |
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| 03:17.30 | CrazyFoam | cwryuu, dserban: do you guys use disk image or block devices with your VMs? |
| 03:18.09 | CrazyFoam | i got a lot of VMware installs at work (that I don't sysadmin, they run RHEL), i know they're using disk images and the buggers are so slow |
| 03:18.28 | cwryuu | CrazyFoam: I use disk images, but I have them on an external USB drive to help with the IO issue a bit |
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| 03:20.36 | wireddd | cwryuu: wouldn't that make it even worse? |
| 03:22.28 | cwryuu | wireddd: Not sure I follow? |
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| 03:25.28 | wireddd | wouldn't haveing your disk images on a usb drive make them even slower? |
| 03:26.46 | cwryuu | wireddd: The server only has one drive, so either I put them on an external USB drive or let the server have to access the disk it exists on to pull up the disk images |
| 03:27.32 | wireddd | I would still think putting them on the disk in the server would be faster |
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| 03:38.43 | tehrabbitt-1 | quick question for you guys... I have a xeon server running x64 debian stable... I was wondering if there is a good way to have a windows VM running on it so I can access it using VNC from any laptop / desktop so i don't need to have windows on my laptop to use specific programs? |
| 03:39.29 | tehrabbitt-1 | Linux thoth 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Thu Aug 19 00:37:36 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 03:40.27 | tehrabbitt-1 | any ideas? |
| 03:41.15 | tehrabbitt-1 | i guess the next question I have is, does VNC for debian support local printing? aka can I print from the VM to my local printer? |
| 03:44.28 | peterrooney | tehrabbitt-1: I'd be impressed if ANY vnc could do that |
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| 03:45.01 | tehrabbitt-1 | VNC for windows can :-\ |
| 03:45.05 | tehrabbitt-1 | well "RealVNC" can |
| 03:45.34 | tehrabbitt-1 | it makes whatever your local machine's default printer, a "remote printer" on the actual server etc |
| 03:46.04 | tehrabbitt-1 | basically I want to use Microsoft Accounting 2008 (which i've been using for 2 years now) to do my accounting for my business (invoices, etc) |
| 03:46.25 | tehrabbitt-1 | but it can't be installed on linux, and the database needs to be stored on the same machine you access it from... |
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| 03:46.56 | tehrabbitt-1 | basically I want to use Microsoft Accounting 2008 (which i've been using for 2 years now) to do my accounting for my business (invoices, etc) |
| 03:47.02 | tehrabbitt-1 | but it can't be installed on linux, and the database needs to be stored on the same machine you access it from... |
| 03:47.12 | Rusty1 | !virtualbox |
| 03:47.12 | dpkg | VirtualBox is a virtual machine solution. VirtualBox Open Source Edition (OSE) is packaged for Debian. To install, ask me about <vbox-install lenny>, <vbox-install bdo> or <vbox-install squeeze>. http://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/User_FAQ http://www.virtualbox.org/ #vbox on irc.freenode.net. See also <vbox manual>, <vbox guest-utils>, <vbox-ose vs vbox>, <vdi>, <virtualization>. |
| 03:47.35 | tehrabbitt-1 | Rusty1: VirtualBox will let me install XP nicely? |
| 03:47.38 | tehrabbitt-1 | or server 2003? |
| 03:48.13 | Rusty1 | i've had no troubles with me and 7 |
| 03:48.17 | tehrabbitt-1 | hm aight |
| 03:50.28 | tehrabbitt-1 | is there a way to do like, internet printing where I can print from the server across the internet to a specified client printer? |
| 03:50.58 | tehrabbitt-1 | aka if I access my server alot from lets say my friend's house, is there a way I can print to his printer from the VM to his printer? |
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| 03:54.49 | Rusty1 | tehrabbitt-1: well, could you do that if it were not a vm? |
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| 03:55.08 | nsadmin | is his printer attached to a server at his house? |
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| 04:37.54 | smacnay | is there a tool to blank rewritable dvd's? |
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| 04:42.43 | streuner | smacnay: wodim, k3b? |
| 04:43.14 | smacnay | streuner, thanks |
| 04:43.40 | streuner | smacnay: brasero |
| 04:43.57 | streuner | !info brasero |
| 04:44.43 | dpkg | brasero: (CD/DVD burning application for GNOME), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.30.3-1 (sid), Packaged size: 646 kB, Installed size: 1040 kB |
| 04:46.06 | smacnay | seems to want to only blank a cd. |
| 04:46.56 | streuner | !info wodim |
| 04:46.58 | dpkg | wodim: (command line CD/DVD writing tool), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 9:1.1.10-1 (sid), Packaged size: 419 kB, Installed size: 836 kB |
| 04:47.23 | smacnay | thanks - that will work |
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| 04:48.23 | smacnay | does it blank dvd's? |
| 04:49.12 | streuner | sure |
| 04:49.20 | smacnay | I see the cd option |
| 04:49.31 | smacnay | not a dvd option for blank= |
| 04:50.59 | ems | can i ask you all something? How fast would debian be on a system with a processor of p3. 3.0ghz and 2.75gigs of ram |
| 04:51.21 | streuner | smacnay: man wodim | grep blank |
| 04:51.22 | newsense | use dvd+rw-tools |
| 04:51.26 | newsense | use dvd+rw-format |
| 04:51.30 | CaT[t2] | ems: fast enough. |
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| 04:52.06 | newsense | smacnay: dvd+rw-tools: /usr/bin/dvd+rw-format |
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| 04:54.11 | JasonWoof | ems: it'll run great! |
| 04:54.40 | newsense | ems: i installed debian for my brother on a p3, not sure of the cpu speed but it only has 128mb ram and he runs fluxbox with a little lag at times |
| 04:55.39 | smacnay | got it - thanks |
| 04:55.52 | newsense | smacnay: that work ? |
| 04:56.21 | newsense | dvd+rw-format that is |
| 04:56.35 | smacnay | yes - the dvd+rw-format -format=full -blank=full /dev/cdrom |
| 04:56.51 | streuner | newsense: do you want some karma too? :-) |
| 04:57.00 | newsense | sure :) |
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| 04:57.11 | newsense | accepts karma++ |
| 04:57.15 | smacnay | needs to remember to exclude .vdi files on future rdiff-backups |
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| 04:57.21 | mattfury | hello |
| 04:57.27 | mattfury | im having a few problems |
| 04:57.59 | mattfury | first of all my xserver resolution is way too high |
| 04:58.28 | mattfury | and i cant install my AR5181 pci-e lan card |
| 04:59.15 | mattfury | it gives me a make error when i compile it and and its looking for the linux kernel source |
| 04:59.16 | newsense | edit /etc/X11/XF86Config or create it and add the resolutions you want |
| 04:59.28 | mattfury | newsense, its xorg |
| 04:59.49 | mattfury | is there a dpkg-reconfigure xorg or something? |
| 05:00.08 | newsense | well here with the nvidia driver i got that for my xorg conf |
| 05:00.43 | mattfury | hmm |
| 05:00.45 | newsense | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg i think |
| 05:02.18 | mattfury | it didnt mention anything about the display |
| 05:02.33 | newsense | what driver ? |
| 05:02.58 | mattfury | none atm |
| 05:03.36 | newsense | what vid card ? |
| 05:03.38 | mattfury | ..so i want to get the network working so i can apt-get everything |
| 05:03.51 | mattfury | its a radeon 4350 |
| 05:05.44 | mattfury | newsense, what would i put in the xorg.conf to make it work?? |
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| 05:07.04 | newsense | well it works but the resolution is too high right ? |
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| 05:07.12 | mattfury | yeah |
| 05:07.35 | mattfury | resolution 1024x768? |
| 05:09.11 | newsense | i got under screen in my conf "metamodes" "1024x768_70 +0+0" |
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| 05:09.21 | newsense | but i got a 15" lcd :( |
| 05:09.37 | newsense | that is te resolution i want |
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| 05:11.29 | mattfury | newsense, like this? |
| 05:11.36 | mattfury | Section "screen" |
| 05:11.49 | newsense | yeah |
| 05:11.54 | mattfury | resolution "metamodes" "1024x768_75" |
| 05:12.08 | mattfury | ...blah blah |
| 05:12.40 | newsense | yeah "resolustion_refresh |
| 05:12.48 | mattfury | is that right? |
| 05:13.04 | mattfury | ok ill reboot my box |
| 05:13.14 | newsense | yeah without the "resolution" |
| 05:13.19 | newsense | reboot why ? |
| 05:13.28 | newsense | restart x or your display manager |
| 05:13.34 | mattfury | oh |
| 05:13.37 | mattfury | nvm |
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| 05:13.59 | newsense | like service restart xdm for example if you use a dm |
| 05:14.40 | mattfury | i know i just forget |
| 05:15.10 | mattfury | failed to start the x server |
| 05:15.27 | newsense | you didn't have the "resolution" in the line did you ? |
| 05:15.38 | mattfury | probably |
| 05:15.40 | newsense | Option "metamodes" "1024x768_70 +0+0; nvidia-auto-select +0+0; 1024x768 +0+0" |
| 05:15.49 | newsense | thats what mine looks like |
| 05:16.26 | newsense | what you pasted looked good besides the "resolution" shouldn't be there |
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| 05:17.09 | mattfury | still out of range |
| 05:17.41 | newsense | pastein your config |
| 05:17.47 | newsense | pastebin* |
| 05:17.55 | mattfury | i cant this is my lappy |
| 05:18.07 | newsense | no internet huh |
| 05:18.15 | nsadmin | wonders how many different aliases for /etc/init.d/<name> there has to be |
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| 05:18.51 | mattfury | newsense, can you pastebin yours? |
| 05:18.59 | newsense | i can |
| 05:19.03 | mattfury | it would be quite helpful :) |
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| 05:22.08 | newsense | http://pastebin.com/RhhWkXVF |
| 05:22.55 | mattfury | ty |
| 05:22.58 | newsense | np |
| 05:23.27 | newsense | it's generated by nvidia-xconfig but the screen section is all you are looking at anyways |
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| 05:25.51 | Csow | I am trying to update my system its been a week but the connection times out |
| 05:26.29 | Csow | this is what I get " Could not resolve 'security.debian.org " |
| 05:27.08 | mattfury | newsense, the resolution is still out of range and xorg is running properly i cant ctrl+- out of it but its still fscked |
| 05:27.17 | newsense | i can resolve it, has a and aaaa records |
| 05:28.13 | newsense | mattfury: what driver you using ? |
| 05:28.20 | mattfury | im not sure |
| 05:28.28 | mattfury | how can i find out? |
| 05:28.39 | newsense | lsmod |
| 05:29.43 | mattfury | lsmod vid? |
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| 05:30.08 | mattfury | it outputs too much info to see |
| 05:31.44 | Csow | wow I had to ifconfig eth1 down in order to resolve and run update |
| 05:33.04 | liable | check your dns settings in interfaces file |
| 05:33.37 | Csow | ok |
| 05:33.53 | liable | or resolvconf or however you have broken it |
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| 05:34.36 | Csow | no I added a new NIC and was trying to run a router out of it |
| 05:34.57 | liable | oh right, so you screwed your route up prolly |
| 05:35.49 | cheasee | what do i need to do to have gdb available after issuing chroot command? |
| 05:36.15 | Csow | but if I use a different subnet for the new nic does it affect the main eth0 nic |
| 05:36.37 | cheasee | copied the binary but it asks for libs, i guess there is another way than copying all those too? |
| 05:38.24 | liable | cheasee: why dont you just install it with apt from withing th chroot? |
| 05:38.30 | liable | within* |
| 05:38.46 | cheasee | uhm, dunno.. lol good idea heh |
| 05:39.08 | liable | only thing you should need to do is write dns servers in resolv.conf |
| 05:39.23 | cheasee | aptitude not available hah |
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| 05:39.30 | liable | apt-get should be |
| 05:39.33 | nsadmin | Csow: get ipmasq, and you don't have to worry about that stuff... just set up the interfaces, make sure you have one default route somewhere, and then ipmasq calculates the iptables rules |
| 05:39.36 | cheasee | oh ok |
| 05:39.50 | cheasee | no, also not |
| 05:40.10 | liable | um, how did you beuild the chroot? |
| 05:40.15 | liable | build* |
| 05:40.50 | cheasee | its glftpd's installation where i need to chroot into it |
| 05:41.01 | liable | oh |
| 05:41.02 | cheasee | and use gdb to debug |
| 05:41.23 | liable | oh well, that ideas out then |
| 05:42.18 | cheasee | isnt there something like with sudo.. using -H for accessing variables? maybe something similar to access gdb outside chroot? |
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| 05:42.42 | nsadmin | just remember, ftp is not a secure protocol |
| 05:42.58 | cheasee | shrug, i know :P |
| 05:43.00 | HellMind | I got 4 internet conexion, and I want to use them all with Jdownload, which is the best way to do a load balance between them? |
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| 05:45.06 | cheasee | HellMind, i guess it wont be that easy, you first need to setup some loadbalacing to use those 4 at once in first place |
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| 05:49.56 | HellMind | but how to do that loadbalacing? which is the best whay?, using iproute , or iptables, or both :S ? |
| 05:50.14 | HellMind | I just need the right keyword to find the answer in google |
| 05:54.40 | mattfury | newsense, http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/765892-post2.html worked for me |
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| 06:06.02 | HellMind | I found a way using iptables with statistic |
| 06:13.50 | nsadmin | howbout: "load balancing" |
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| 06:17.33 | mattfury | can someone help me with my AR8151 pci-e lan car |
| 06:17.35 | mattfury | card* |
| 06:17.38 | HellMind | why I didnt try "Linux" :S |
| 06:18.21 | mattfury | i go to make the drivers from the website but i need the linux source or something |
| 06:18.42 | mattfury | *** Linux kernel source not found |
| 06:19.56 | mattfury | maybe if i just update my kernel it will magically work?? |
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| 06:26.28 | mattfury | soooo no one can help me?? |
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| 06:38.23 | peterrooney | mattfury: quite possibly they can, IRC is not instantaneous. |
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| 06:38.46 | mattfury | oh hello |
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| 06:40.35 | mattfury | peterrooney, how would i go about installing the 2.6.35 kernel? |
| 06:40.52 | mattfury | without network |
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| 06:42.05 | peterrooney | most likely you'd need to build from source |
| 06:42.14 | mister_m | why can't I paste files into /usr/local/x in the file browser? |
| 06:42.19 | mattfury | i've never done it before tho |
| 06:42.21 | peterrooney | ,versions linux-image-2.6.35 |
| 06:42.22 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'linux-image-2.6.35' was found. |
| 06:42.30 | peterrooney | ,versions linux-image-2.6.35-686 |
| 06:42.31 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'linux-image-2.6.35-686' was found. |
| 06:42.59 | mister_m | it says permission denied, but why is that' |
| 06:43.19 | mattfury | mister_m, sudo su |
| 06:43.23 | mattfury | root password |
| 06:43.54 | mister_m | but what about the file browser |
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| 06:45.12 | mister_m | why can I only move stuff there from the command line |
| 06:45.27 | mattfury | change the permissions as root |
| 06:45.33 | mattfury | so |
| 06:45.41 | mattfury | chmod 777 /foldername |
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| 06:49.43 | Karen_m | my isp said that Debian Lenny does not support the xeon 3460, is this true? |
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| 06:52.47 | mattgirv | Karen_m: Er, the processor? |
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| 06:53.05 | Freduardo | I dont see why it shouldn't work |
| 06:53.21 | mattgirv | Karen_m: That is complete and utter rubbish, I don't know why they would tell you that. |
| 06:53.38 | Freduardo | isp <- ¬¬ |
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| 06:55.07 | Karen_m | Unfortunately the Xeon 3460 does not support Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 Lenny/Stable (64 bit). We will need to change the OS to one of the following: |
| 06:55.10 | Karen_m | that is what they tell me |
| 06:55.42 | mattgirv | Hmm, very odd. What OS's are they trying to get you to switch to? |
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| 06:56.00 | mattfury | oh hai |
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| 06:56.09 | mattfury | can someone help me install my lan card |
| 06:56.18 | mattfury | i tried installing it but get |
| 06:56.23 | mattfury | *** Linux kernel source not found |
| 06:56.44 | mattfury | from the AR8151 website |
| 06:57.21 | mattgirv | mattfury: Install linux-headers for the kernel you're running |
| 06:57.34 | nsadmin | lspci -nn | grep eth |
| 06:57.37 | mattfury | how? does my install cd have them? |
| 06:57.41 | Karen_m | every other, even Ubunut |
| 06:57.45 | mattgirv | mattfury: apt? |
| 06:57.49 | Karen_m | Ubuntu, centos, fedora,... |
| 06:58.17 | nsadmin | ubunut? |
| 06:58.43 | nsadmin | hmm, what's been on your mind? :) |
| 06:58.49 | mattgirv | Karen_m: Well.. I'm guessing they're maintaining a server or some such, not a lot I can really suggest. I have no idea why it wouldn't work unless it is some sort of software they use which isn't compatible, or they simply don't have the staff? I can't think of any logical reason for it but I'm guessing short of finding another provider, there isn't a lot you can do. |
| 07:00.01 | mattgirv | Perhaps you can push a more technical reason for not using Lenny, other than 'it doesn't work' |
| 07:00.10 | Karen_m | nsadmin, lol I'm tired |
| 07:01.58 | dutchfish | Karen_m: the xeon 3460 does run debian perfectly on my side, however depending on your machine and chipset you might need a very recent kernel, i am running 2.6.35.4 on my machine with debian lenny. |
| 07:02.00 | mattfury | ok |
| 07:02.11 | mattfury | now im getting kernel source not configured |
| 07:02.20 | mattfury | missing autoconf.h |
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| 07:02.34 | mattgirv | mattfury: Install linux-headers for the kernel you are running (uname -r) |
| 07:03.11 | mattgirv | mattfury: You'll need to also install 'build-essential' for the gcc tools if you don't already have them. |
| 07:03.13 | mattfury | i just did that |
| 07:03.41 | mattfury | build-essential is the newest version |
| 07:03.49 | mattfury | and i just installed kernel-headers |
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| 07:04.33 | dutchfish | mattfury: http://rhythmcloud.blogspot.com/2010/07/how-to-install-ar8151-v10-gigabit.html |
| 07:05.33 | mattfury | yay its compiling |
| 07:05.35 | mattfury | :D |
| 07:06.07 | mattgirv | :) |
| 07:07.18 | mattfury | rebooting see if the make install - installed it |
| 07:07.19 | peterrooney | mattfury: told you IRC help wasn't instantaneous |
| 07:07.31 | peterrooney | mattfury: DO NOT REBOOT |
| 07:07.47 | mattfury | why? |
| 07:08.05 | peterrooney | debian isn't windows. |
| 07:08.34 | mattfury | i thought that was for gdm/xserver |
| 07:08.41 | peterrooney | try loading the module (modprobe atl-somethingorother) |
| 07:10.21 | mattfury | woot i have internet now |
| 07:10.23 | nsadmin | Karen_m: what can I say... sometimes you feel like a nut... sometimes you don't... |
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| 07:10.47 | mattgirv | mattfury: Congrats. |
| 07:11.08 | Karen_m | I found out why they do not use debian with the 3460, their internal testing has not certified it yet. It's not a matter of debian will not work, they just make sure there are no problems is what they tell me :) |
| 07:11.28 | Karen_m | The Xeon 3460 is a newer processor that we started offering a few months ago. Our Infosys team as not properly tested and approved the Debian OS for these processors, therefore we cannot install Debian on the server. We can do CentOS 5 (64bit). |
| 07:12.46 | nsadmin | and unless they have incentive to do so, they're likely not going to |
| 07:12.58 | peterrooney | mattfury: there are very few situations where a reboot is needed. |
| 07:13.55 | nsadmin | and one situation where it is, is testing to see if a device will come up on boot |
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| 07:14.50 | mattfury | ok |
| 07:14.59 | mattfury | onto my next problems video |
| 07:15.08 | mattfury | i have a radeon 4350... |
| 07:15.25 | nsadmin | so collect all the info about the problem into a file |
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| 07:16.11 | nsadmin | lspci -nn listing, any google searches you did, what the card is expected to do that it doesn't or vise versa, problem history. |
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| 07:16.37 | nsadmin | any time you get new information, add it to the file |
| 07:17.00 | nsadmin | when the problem is solved, add a summary paragraph stating what the solution was |
| 07:17.16 | nsadmin | and then add it to your installation journal |
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| 07:18.33 | nsadmin | once you have the first version of the file, you can pastebin it, and then post the url and a short summary |
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| 07:29.27 | dutchfish | how can i split a large patch (wich only creates new files except 1) into separate patches? is that possible? |
| 07:29.47 | Vutral | ^^ |
| 07:29.57 | Vutral | fucking hifn crypto accelerator |
| 07:30.08 | Vutral | my recent debian kernel keeps paniccing when i load the module |
| 07:31.39 | dutchfish | :) |
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| 07:32.44 | dutchfish | Vutral: have you made sure you are not mixing ABI's ? |
| 07:32.45 | mattgirv | dutchfish: Could you split it with git? |
| 07:33.19 | dutchfish | mattgirv: i need to do it scriptomatically ... any idees? |
| 07:33.43 | mattgirv | dutchfish: Well I was thinking git-rebase but tbh, it gives me a headache :D |
| 07:34.10 | mattgirv | http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-rebase.html take a look |
| 07:34.13 | dutchfish | mattgirv: i have to delve into it, it is a large kernel patch, so, not that easy |
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| 07:34.43 | dutchfish | mattgirv: thanks |
| 07:36.56 | mattfury | mattgirv, for a radeon 4350 propietary support opengl /directx hw acceleration? |
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| 07:37.05 | mattgirv | mattfury: fglrx |
| 07:37.18 | mattfury | do you have a link? |
| 07:37.23 | mattgirv | hm, no |
| 07:37.30 | mattgirv | ati.com? |
| 07:37.33 | mattgirv | or amd.com now perhaps |
| 07:37.52 | mattfury | but thats just the propietary i think |
| 07:38.00 | mattgirv | Er, yep. What is it you're after? |
| 07:38.11 | mattfury | hardware acceleration |
| 07:38.39 | mattgirv | I'm confused, yeah you use the fglrx driver.. the radeon (open source) driver won't give you decent 3d acceleration on a 4000 series card. |
| 07:39.12 | dutchfish | mattgirv: RV710 is supported in the latest mesa/kernel nowadays, at least for basic 3d and video accelaration see http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature |
| 07:39.16 | mattgirv | You can either get it from the non-free repo, 'fglrx-driver', or off the ATI website, |
| 07:39.27 | mattgirv | dutchfish: Ah is it? Oki dokey. |
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| 07:40.53 | dutchfish | mattgirv: with a bit of luck it might work out of the box now in squeeze |
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| 07:41.32 | dutchfish | mattgirv: if not, use mesa from experimental and 2.6.35.4 |
| 07:41.34 | mattgirv | Cool, unfortunately I have a Radeon 5850. |
| 07:41.47 | mattfury | umm what do i configure my apt sources list to? |
| 07:41.48 | mattgirv | dutchfish: It's mattfury that has the 4000 series and is after drivers. |
| 07:42.14 | mattfury | atm i only have cd support |
| 07:42.26 | dutchfish | 5850 ... mmm... not yet ... but soon |
| 07:42.30 | mattfury | (whats the official debian server?) |
| 07:42.37 | mattgirv | Yup, :) |
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| 07:42.53 | mattgirv | mattfury: See if you can find 'radeon' drivers in the repos |
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| 07:43.15 | mattgirv | Is it 'radeon' or 'radeonhd' I can't remember.. |
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| 07:43.50 | dutchfish | radeon |
| 07:44.01 | mattgirv | ah :) |
| 07:44.48 | dutchfish | while both where very simular, radeon is preferred, radeonhd is a bit ahead with audio over hdmi |
| 07:45.52 | dutchfish | in the end both are expected to be merged |
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| 07:49.22 | mattfury | isnt it using the old ati drivers |
| 07:49.24 | mattfury | ?? |
| 07:49.44 | mattfury | or is the amd one the latest and working with hw 3d acceleration?? |
| 07:50.29 | dutchfish | the radeon is completely different from fglrx, you can read it on the link i gave |
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| 07:50.55 | dutchfish | while radeon is open source fglrx is not |
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| 07:52.33 | dutchfish | btw kudos to all the hard work the radeon devs did :) |
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| 08:11.10 | dutchfish | simonrvn: morning, whats up with lua? |
| 08:11.28 | simonrvn | hi dude |
| 08:11.51 | simonrvn | 'popen' not supported |
| 08:12.24 | simonrvn | which is kinda odd, since it's a posix-y thing ... |
| 08:13.20 | dutchfish | i gues it is not compiled with popen support, schrugh ... just noticed it |
| 08:13.50 | dutchfish | i think you are right, it is posix |
| 08:14.27 | simonrvn | hrm, nm |
| 08:14.55 | simonrvn | i just fetched 'nixio' from a luarocks server |
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| 08:15.29 | dutchfish | simonrvn: have you ogre installed? |
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| 08:16.17 | simonrvn | oh wait a minute. uh, not sure, lemme check. |
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| 08:21.01 | simonrvn | ogre what? the gui stuff? |
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| 08:22.07 | dutchfish | no, what i ment was that ogre does have its own popen as a workaround that might interfear, also have a peak at this http://batbytes.com/luafaq/#T8.2.8 |
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| 08:23.19 | superlinux | hi. I want to re-change the way fstab is written. I just can't know my drives anymore. it uses the UUID to mount a drive. I want to return to the classical way of /dev/hd(X and /dev/sd(X . how? |
| 08:25.29 | superlinux | ok.. googled! thanks |
| 08:26.21 | simonrvn | just have this installed: blender-ogrexml |
| 08:27.05 | superlinux | so how can I list the mapping of UUID vs partition device file? |
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| 08:27.33 | simonrvn | check moount |
| 08:27.39 | simonrvn | mou* |
| 08:27.53 | simonrvn | i thought you 'googled it' |
| 08:27.53 | mattgirv | You can use blkid to determine UUID for devices. |
| 08:27.55 | dutchfish | simonrvn: mm... i think recompiling with popen enabled seams the only option i gues |
| 08:28.02 | superlinux | yes! i found vol_id |
| 08:28.21 | dutchfish | simonrvn: but make sure this is not mac related, i have read something about it but cant refind it |
| 08:28.28 | superlinux | but it did not give me a whole list of mappings |
| 08:28.41 | superlinux | i think i should try wild cards |
| 08:28.48 | superlinux | ok |
| 08:28.54 | superlinux | ok mattfury |
| 08:29.04 | simonrvn | dutchfish: you'd think something so simple would be included. not like debian it leave out useful things. mac? |
| 08:29.17 | simonrvn | to leave* |
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| 08:29.42 | dutchfish | simonrvn: there was some discussion going on for the intel macs wher eit did work and other arches not |
| 08:29.42 | simonrvn | wonders what macs have to do with popen |
| 08:30.01 | dutchfish | simonrvn: but that was just my wild gues |
| 08:30.18 | dutchfish | simonrvn: sorry for the noise |
| 08:30.23 | simonrvn | oh *shrug*. not relevant here i don't think, it's just a plain old i686 box |
| 08:30.30 | dutchfish | ah ic |
| 08:30.40 | merlin83 | hi, is there a general way of setting the working directory with a variable in a /etc/init.d/script besides placing cd <pathname> at the beginning of the script? |
| 08:31.09 | simonrvn | man start-stop-daemon |
| 08:31.22 | dutchfish | scratches head and wonders in wich direction vidoe accelaration will go in relation to this new wonder |
| 08:31.37 | simonrvn | it calls 'cd' anyway, at a lower level iirc |
| 08:31.40 | dutchfish | sorry for xpost |
| 08:31.55 | superlinux | Oh! okay.. now I understand the meaning of the UUID. I can ,then, specify all my disks in fstab however the device file name changes |
| 08:32.02 | simonrvn | oh you silly dutchfish :P |
| 08:32.16 | superlinux | It looks like I am an old fashioned Linuxer |
| 08:32.57 | simonrvn | yeh, well, there was some lameness to certain aspects of device mounting "in the old days" ;). |
| 08:33.14 | simonrvn | the wandering devices |
| 08:33.31 | merlin83 | simonrvn: ah.. thks for the tip, just curious though, do i have to use -a in do_reload() too? |
| 08:33.39 | mattgirv | Yup UUID is a much more reliable system to use. |
| 08:34.01 | superlinux | simonrvn, one last question.. what if I lose my boot device UUID, can I know it still using rescue CD? |
| 08:34.28 | simonrvn | the uuid is written to the partition metadata... |
| 08:34.47 | superlinux | but still.. can I retrive it? |
| 08:35.06 | simonrvn | yes. read scrollback. |
| 08:35.25 | simonrvn | !uuid |
| 08:35.25 | dpkg | [uuid] Universally Unique IDentifier, used to reference disk partitions (among other things). See currently known partition UUIDs with `blkid'. In /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. Helps to cope with device name changes such as hda->sda (<libata> transition) or changes in USB disk order discovery. <LVM> tools accept PV/VG/LV UUIDs as arguments, use {pv,vg,lv}display to acquire. |
| 08:36.25 | simonrvn | the universally is a bit of a misnomer, but is generally accurate. |
| 08:36.41 | superlinux | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:37.11 | mattgirv | superlinux: That's their loss. It's much better to know you are consistently going to be mounting the 'correct' device. |
| 08:37.14 | simonrvn | within a certain context, you are guaranteed a unique id. comparing contexts is a bit trickier. |
| 08:37.42 | simonrvn | you don't want to be mounting /var on your root.... |
| 08:37.54 | superlinux | true |
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| 08:38.39 | simonrvn | besides, if it's in fstab, you don't have to worry about the uuid anyway, with mount. just reference the mountpoint. |
| 08:38.47 | superlinux | and also I noticed that IDE will vanish in the next year |
| 08:39.09 | cesurasean | lol |
| 08:39.10 | superlinux | cos IDE is well defined using the old way |
| 08:39.27 | mattgirv | eh? |
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| 08:39.40 | asdzxc | hi |
| 08:39.48 | superlinux | cos we sell, I say so |
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| 08:40.01 | cesurasean | asdzxc, hello |
| 08:40.20 | mattgirv | asdzxc: Hey |
| 08:40.21 | asdzxc | i have created my own repository but i don't know how to force aptitude to install packages from it (so replace original packaegs). can anyone help me ? |
| 08:40.46 | cesurasean | have you edited your /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 08:40.58 | asdzxc | i added it to source.list but versions of my packages are the same as original debian packages so aptitude is probably ignoring them |
| 08:41.15 | cesurasean | apt-get install --reinstall whatever |
| 08:41.26 | cesurasean | should be similar option for aptitude |
| 08:41.55 | asdzxc | it reinstalled it from cache :-) |
| 08:42.01 | simonrvn | you should have built them with a different version |
| 08:42.11 | simonrvn | !nmg |
| 08:42.11 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <policy>, <best practices> or see http://www.debian.org/devel/ , http://wiki.debian.org/Courses2005/BuildingWithoutHelper |
| 08:42.13 | cesurasean | did you update? |
| 08:42.21 | asdzxc | yes, i did update |
| 08:42.35 | asdzxc | and package list was downloaded ok |
| 08:43.21 | cesurasean | build them with a different version, or uninstall them |
| 08:43.25 | asdzxc | simonrvn: do i really need to change version ? i'm creating them only by rebuilding Debian packages (it's much simplier like this) |
| 08:44.24 | asdzxc | isn't it possible to just tell aptitude to prefer my repository ? |
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| 08:46.58 | asdzxc | somehow :-) |
| 08:48.26 | cesurasean | did you man aptitude? |
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| 08:49.20 | superlinux | I have another problem. I have my bluetooth. I can send a file to my PC from my Nokia N73 . I cannot send from PC to Phone. pairing always fails. please help. |
| 08:50.00 | asdzxc | cesurasean: yes, there's -t option which should me what i want but i don't fully undertand it |
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| 08:50.38 | simonrvn | asdzxc: only partially. |
| 08:51.41 | asdzxc | simonrvn: how can i change version of debian packages when rebuilding them ? just change it in .dsc file ? |
| 08:52.17 | simonrvn | !nmg |
| 08:52.17 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <policy>, <best practices> or see http://www.debian.org/devel/ , http://wiki.debian.org/Courses2005/BuildingWithoutHelper |
| 08:52.30 | simonrvn | debian/changelog - for details, read ^^^ |
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| 08:53.21 | asdzxc | thnx |
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| 08:59.23 | djura-san | moin \o_ |
| 09:00.44 | merlin83 | hm.. when i run my app, it generates a whole ton of debugging messages, i.e. ./app &> logfile , is it possible to limit the size of logfile so that it only stores the last 1 meg of output or so without using logrotate? |
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| 09:07.25 | Saliven | hi all |
| 09:07.58 | Saliven | i got a problem with debian... |
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| 09:09.52 | Saliven | it wont start correctly... it goes through grub, begins starting up, and at some point after it initializes some processes like gdm3, bluetoothd etc. (i think at this point it is supposed to show the login screen) i got just black screen |
| 09:11.06 | Saliven | i tried reinstalling, tried older testing, current testing and stable (which as only one worked, but i want to upgrade from testing to sid) |
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| 09:11.29 | superlinux | Saliven, it's then the configuration of your X |
| 09:12.02 | Saliven | well then, how can i correct it? |
| 09:12.06 | superlinux | what you can do is press ALT+CTRL+any Function key |
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| 09:12.14 | Saliven | doesnt work |
| 09:12.23 | superlinux | oh! |
| 09:12.45 | superlinux | then yes! reboot and go single user |
| 09:13.10 | Saliven | huh? only way for me to login is using recovery mode |
| 09:13.45 | mattgirv | Saliven: What video card/drivers are you using? |
| 09:14.30 | superlinux | Saliven, Isn't there usually two types of booting lines in grub menu..? there is a one called single |
| 09:15.09 | Saliven | i have ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4330 (i have notebook HP ProBook4710s), wanna use proprietary drivers.. there is no option as "single" (or something similar) only normal boot and recovery mode |
| 09:15.36 | superlinux | ok .. use the recovery mode... it's the single |
| 09:15.42 | Saliven | this setup previously worked for me (i just wanted to reinstall for some reasons) and i wanna dualboot with win7 |
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| 09:16.35 | mattgirv | Saliven: If you can post your xorg log that'd be good. |
| 09:16.42 | Saliven | well... |
| 09:17.06 | superlinux | you could have used virtual box |
| 09:18.02 | mattgirv | superlinux: Wtf. |
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| 09:18.28 | Saliven | yeah one more thing... |
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| 09:19.35 | superlinux | mattgirv, what?! |
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| 09:19.50 | mattgirv | superlinux: How is that helpful? |
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| 09:20.16 | Saliven | at the beginning of the boot (after grub) i got two almost same messages... first one looks like this: pci 0000:01:00.0: BAR 6: no parent found for of device [0xfffe0000-0xffffffff] |
| 09:20.32 | superlinux | I meant the re-install could have been avoided |
| 09:20.55 | Saliven | superlinux: i need both systems to be fully functional |
| 09:21.20 | superlinux | Saliven, you are right |
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| 09:22.00 | mattgirv | Saliven: Does it continue past that? |
| 09:22.09 | superlinux | Saliven, can you regenerate a new Xorg.conf in rescue mode? |
| 09:22.16 | iluminator101 | i get a k3b error when i try to burn .bin file this is the error k3b you are running an unpatched cdrecord version and this error occurs with high quality media |
| 09:22.20 | Saliven | yes... its just the first two lines |
| 09:22.45 | mattgirv | Saliven: Could you possibly upload/pastebin your Xorg log and output from lspci? |
| 09:23.14 | superlinux | try to put vesa instead of the device driver you got in xorg.conf.. |
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| 09:23.35 | Saliven | mattgirv: from lspci? |
| 09:23.46 | superlinux | this will be a basic driver, or you may go with vga |
| 09:24.24 | mattgirv | Saliven: Aye, run 'lspci' and it will print output, might be able to figure out what the BAR 6 error is pertaining to |
| 09:24.35 | superlinux | and what is really happening there is your screen Refresh rate is incorrect |
| 09:24.59 | mattgirv | superlinux: Actually, it would be better to assertain what is wrong from the logs, rather than guessing. |
| 09:25.02 | mattgirv | :p |
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| 09:25.36 | dboehmer | is it possible to randozime leased IP addresses in isc dhcp server? |
| 09:25.40 | superlinux | mattgirv, I am not guessing.. I just use previous experience |
| 09:26.05 | dboehmer | i am using dhcp3-server and want to give leases for random IPs from the range |
| 09:26.19 | dboehmer | thus users should not be able to guess the last given IP |
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| 09:30.58 | juhaj | Anyone got any ideas on what could be different between Debian kernels 2.6.28-1-amd64 and 2.6.32-5-amd64 so as to prevent the system from booting? Added complication is that the server is headless (and there are no heads available either). I suspect it hangs in initramfs, unable to mount root. |
| 09:31.58 | juhaj | There were changes to disk device naming and for some reason also mdadm devices got new uuids (strange?), but since 2.6.28 is fine with those, I doubt they have any effect. |
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| 09:40.22 | xand | juhaj: you really need a monitor/keyboard or serial console or you'll just be guessing forever |
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| 09:42.10 | Saliven | sorry guys i was afk for a moment |
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| 09:42.59 | Saliven | where can i find xorg.conf please? :D |
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| 09:43.24 | neoice | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:43.41 | neoice | by default, Xorg tries to determine the best config every time it runs, so there's not a lot to see there |
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| 09:44.25 | Saliven | eh... got no X11 in /etc ... so that might be a problem right? |
| 09:44.44 | Saliven | well sorry |
| 09:44.46 | Saliven | got it there :D |
| 09:44.50 | Saliven | didnt notice it... |
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| 09:45.59 | Saliven | but there is no xorg.conf |
| 09:46.01 | Saliven | for sure |
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| 09:47.28 | Saliven | superlinux, mattgirv, any ideas? |
| 09:47.33 | xand | I don't think there is one anymore |
| 09:47.39 | xand | not by default anyway |
| 09:47.52 | xand | !xorg.conf |
| 09:47.52 | dpkg | From Lenny onwards, xorg mostly configures itself. Resolution is set by your monitor/graphics card (unless they're broken) or by your desktop environment or <xrandr>. From Squeeze, input hotplugging saves duplicating settings and restarting X after changes. The /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is usually no longer needed and is often blank. Manual configuration is still possible, see <xorg config lenny> <xorg config squeeze>. |
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| 09:48.38 | superlinux | Saliven, try reinstall X |
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| 09:48.48 | xand | no |
| 09:48.55 | xand | read the factoid. |
| 09:48.59 | mattfury | hi |
| 09:49.26 | Saliven | well... |
| 09:49.30 | superlinux | ok ok |
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| 09:55.22 | Saliven | how can i save output of lspci? |
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| 09:55.57 | Saliven | mattgirv: how can i save output of lspci? |
| 09:57.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | >file |
| 09:57.44 | Saliven | thx |
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| 10:04.23 | juhaj | xand: It would be easier, I know, but the closest display I own is ovet 1600 km away... So any other ideas are welcome =) |
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| 10:06.16 | liable | if it doesnt have a monitor why are you configuring x ? |
| 10:06.24 | liable | or is for vnc or something? |
| 10:07.17 | mattfury_ | whats the current debian sources list? |
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| 10:08.09 | juhaj | liable: Sorry? X? What are you talking about? |
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| 10:08.22 | liable | !tell mattfury_ -about sources |
| 10:09.01 | liable | juhaj: nevermind, i had your comment and a previous ones melded in my brain |
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| 10:10.19 | SOUL_OF_R00T | nice day to people :) |
| 10:10.40 | mattfury_ | <cc>? |
| 10:11.46 | juhaj | liable: That's ok. =) |
| 10:12.09 | mattgirv | Saliven: Sorry, went to the shops.. also check out /var/log/Xorg.0.log and see if there is anything in there. |
| 10:12.11 | liable | mattfury_: your country code, ie us au fr uk de |
| 10:13.12 | mattfury_ | ok so au |
| 10:13.31 | Saliven | mattgirv: ok |
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| 10:16.33 | Bercik | hey |
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| 10:17.25 | simplechat | Hey guys, is there any nice way to proxy tcp connections? |
| 10:18.05 | flooose | can someone tell me how I can see the new maintainer documentation in english if I'm currently located in germany? |
| 10:18.23 | ax-ax | i ran a ruby thing which complains about /home/axel being in PATH, but it isn't, or i think so atleast, so where does it get it's path from? :s |
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| 10:19.20 | flooose | a google search lands you on the german version and there is no place to choose the language. |
| 10:19.54 | flooose | starting on the main debian site and clicking your way to it, changing your language preference on each page, doesn't help either |
| 10:25.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | !nmg |
| 10:25.52 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <policy>, <best practices> or see http://www.debian.org/devel/ , http://wiki.debian.org/Courses2005/BuildingWithoutHelper |
| 10:26.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | not for me |
| 10:26.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | but then I left my browser in English |
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| 10:26.59 | simplechat | hey guys, if 2.6.26 isn't being maintained, does this mean that deb stable's kernel isn't being maintained? |
| 10:27.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | flooose, probably edit->preferences->Content "Choose your preferred language for displaying pages" |
| 10:27.49 | liable | simplechat: no, it gets security patches |
| 10:27.59 | simplechat | but nothing else? |
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| 10:28.16 | liable | correct. |
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| 10:29.17 | flooose | CutMeOwnThroat: you're right. For practice, I've set the language in my browser to German. Thanks. |
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| 10:30.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | flooose, there's a "prefar" addon with which you can change these types of things (that you change often) from the top-level interface |
| 10:31.18 | flooose | do you mean on the debian site? |
| 10:31.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | just in general... it's an additional bar one can put stuff in that one frequently changes in firefox/iceweasel |
| 10:32.11 | flooose | ahh, i see |
| 10:32.17 | flooose | I use opera though :) |
| 10:32.27 | flooose | only firefox from time to time |
| 10:32.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, that's your problem |
| 10:33.27 | flooose | firefox was a bit buggy for a while |
| 10:33.42 | flooose | I've always liked opera and haven't had a reason to go back |
| 10:34.55 | Saliven | mattgirv: here is lspci: http://pastebin.com/GPHQ6ddV |
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| 10:43.20 | jaggz | do all these (or which of these) imap servers support imaps? |
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| 10:44.52 | liable | dovecot does imaps |
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| 10:46.57 | DDRP | is setting up four build boxes in a rack; ppc, sparc, amd64 and i386 |
| 10:47.34 | mattfury_ | sounds pretty cool |
| 10:48.23 | jaggz | thankis liable |
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| 10:49.35 | kli0rf | wow |
| 10:49.56 | kli0rf | now that's what i call a BIG channel.. :) |
| 10:50.04 | kli0rf | anyone available for help? |
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| 10:50.25 | DDRP | You usually just ask a question |
| 10:50.39 | liable | just ask and if anyone jnows and wants to help they will.. |
| 10:50.45 | liable | knows* |
| 10:51.03 | cahoot | hhm - the infamous anyone turns up |
| 10:51.22 | liable | he never answers though the bastard |
| 10:51.37 | kli0rf | :) |
| 10:51.47 | mattfury_ | question? |
| 10:51.53 | kli0rf | ok, has anyone debian on i386? |
| 10:52.01 | mattfury_ | amd64 here |
| 10:52.02 | cahoot | yes |
| 10:52.05 | kli0rf | hm |
| 10:52.06 | liable | !smart questions |
| 10:52.06 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with helpers. Also ask me about <reportbug>. |
| 10:52.16 | kli0rf | mattfury_ do u use alsa? |
| 10:52.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | !anyone use debian on i386 |
| 10:52.16 | dpkg | No, no one uses debian on i386, not even the people who use it. |
| 10:52.26 | Gijs | People |
| 10:52.29 | mattfury_ | not sure |
| 10:52.34 | kli0rf | i need libasound.so.2.0.0 |
| 10:52.44 | cahoot | kli0rf: most do |
| 10:52.49 | Gijs | i just changed a user password with passwd and now i try to login and then i get Access Denied |
| 10:52.55 | cahoot | kli0rf: most do (use alsa) |
| 10:53.03 | kli0rf | so can some of the most send me libasound.so.2.0.0? :) |
| 10:53.13 | kli0rf | i mean someone of the most :) |
| 10:53.31 | mattfury_ | my internet is so slow because capped to 64kbps from 8mbps |
| 10:53.50 | Gijs | can anybody help? |
| 10:54.15 | cahoot | kli0rf: you can't just 'upgrade' a lib like that - try /msg dpkg bpo |
| 10:54.18 | kli0rf | Gijs: single user mode? |
| 10:54.26 | DDRP | kil0rf: You need to apt-get install libasound2 |
| 10:54.30 | Gijs | what? |
| 10:54.53 | Gijs | the user worked before but now i get access denied |
| 10:54.53 | kli0rf | DDRP i'm not on linux |
| 10:55.02 | kli0rf | this is why i only need that file |
| 10:55.14 | kli0rf | i386, lenny or squeeze |
| 10:56.01 | cahoot | kli0rf: you can just DL it from packages.debian.org |
| 10:56.03 | kli0rf | Gijs try single user mode |
| 10:56.08 | Gijs | how? |
| 10:56.35 | DDRP | If you apt-get source it you could build the package from source yourself |
| 10:56.43 | kli0rf | cahoot good point! it's a package called libasound2? |
| 10:56.50 | liable | its a grub option |
| 10:57.00 | cahoot | kli0rf: you can search for it on packages.debian.org |
| 10:57.20 | kli0rf | cahoot thanks! |
| 10:58.06 | Gijs | kli0rf? |
| 10:58.40 | kli0rf | Gijs someone just said, it's an option in grub. reboot your system, wait for grub menu and select single user mode |
| 10:58.59 | Gijs | isnt there a other way? |
| 10:59.03 | kli0rf | gijs i'm not linux user, i'm sure you'll find better expert in here |
| 10:59.04 | Gijs | cause i can login with root to it |
| 10:59.15 | kli0rf | oh |
| 10:59.27 | liable | Gijs: yes, just reset the passwd |
| 10:59.28 | kli0rf | so if u can login as root, you just passwd $USER |
| 10:59.45 | Gijs | i do that |
| 10:59.53 | Gijs | and then i try to login and then i get access denied |
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| 11:00.14 | liable | over ssh or what? |
| 11:00.19 | Gijs | ssh yes |
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| 11:00.48 | liable | i wouldna thought you would have to, but restart sshd |
| 11:01.10 | liable | password login is bad, mmkay? |
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| 11:02.09 | Gijs | doesnt work |
| 11:02.13 | Gijs | i restarted sshd |
| 11:02.27 | liable | then redo the passwd |
| 11:02.34 | liable | you prolly fucked it up |
| 11:02.41 | Gijs | doesnt work |
| 11:02.44 | liable | how i dunno as you have to type it twice |
| 11:02.47 | cahoot | differernt charsets? |
| 11:02.50 | liable | !doesn't work |
| 11:02.51 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 11:03.09 | Gijs | still Access denied |
| 11:03.21 | Gijs | cahoot what? |
| 11:03.41 | cahoot | just speculating |
| 11:03.57 | kli0rf | weehaah! |
| 11:04.04 | kli0rf | i have now skype working |
| 11:04.09 | kli0rf | thanks, cahoot! |
| 11:04.23 | cahoot | that doesn't make me feel good |
| 11:04.25 | Gijs | can anybody help me? |
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| 11:05.14 | liable | Gijs: how exactly are you changing the password for said user? and you have password login enabled with sshd? |
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| 11:05.52 | Gijs | well i just do passwd username |
| 11:06.04 | Gijs | and i havnt changed anything with sshd |
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| 11:06.35 | kli0rf | Gijs and you can login as root via ssh? |
| 11:06.41 | Gijs | yeah |
| 11:06.47 | kli0rf | so what's the problem? |
| 11:06.50 | kli0rf | add new user |
| 11:06.51 | liable | with a password or passphrase? |
| 11:06.59 | Gijs | i already added a new user |
| 11:07.00 | kli0rf | move your files, chown them |
| 11:07.18 | Gijs | i mean the user wich worked before is now failing |
| 11:07.23 | kli0rf | Gijs ok, is that new user available to login via ssh? |
| 11:07.28 | cahoot | Gijs: check ownership/perms on users .ssh |
| 11:08.03 | wrksx | On a mkdir new dir permissions are drwxr-sr-x, while I'd prefer drwxrwsr-x (write perm. for the group) |
| 11:08.05 | Gijs | what cahoot? |
| 11:08.12 | liable | ohgod |
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| 11:08.19 | jaggz | do I need to generate a new dovecot email certificate (for personal use)? |
| 11:08.20 | liable | it shouldnt have changed |
| 11:08.23 | liable | but jeebus |
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| 11:08.44 | liable | jaggz: if you use pop3s or smtps yes |
| 11:08.55 | jaggz | imaps |
| 11:09.02 | liable | ah yeah |
| 11:09.05 | liable | sorry |
| 11:09.09 | liable | yes you do |
| 11:09.24 | liable | and your client will whine about it the first time you connect |
| 11:09.28 | jaggz | it works, but I get the message from thunderbird, "you are about to override how thunderbird identifies this site." |
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| 11:10.11 | jaggz | okay.. need to generate cert. I don't mind the message the first time, just wondered about how to generate the new key (and if it were necessary) since I didn't see it at package installation time |
| 11:10.18 | Gijs | anybody? |
| 11:10.26 | liable | if its not signed by one of the stupisign companies, thinderbird should warn you |
| 11:11.19 | jaggz | yeah, that's okay.. doesn't it generate a self-signed one at install though? |
| 11:11.26 | liable | jaggz: google debian mail server workaround |
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| 11:11.41 | liable | the workaround article explains a few things |
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| 11:13.31 | jaggz | I was actually reading that earlier, hm |
| 11:13.49 | jaggz | but not this etch page. maybe I just saw it in the search results only. |
| 11:13.56 | liable | it tells you how to makes certs |
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| 11:16.53 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps |
| 11:16.59 | Eryn_1983_FL | question... |
| 11:17.11 | cast | 19 |
| 11:17.16 | liable | 42 |
| 11:17.19 | Eryn_1983_FL | how does the log line look when you shut down a debian server? |
| 11:17.32 | Eryn_1983_FL | from pushing the buton... |
| 11:17.32 | cast | liable likes the mature ones! |
| 11:17.34 | Eryn_1983_FL | Sep 11 02:14:55 xena shutdown[11879]: shutting down for system halt? |
| 11:17.47 | Eryn_1983_FL | 69 lol |
| 11:17.49 | liable | cast: I *am* a muture one! :) |
| 11:18.02 | liable | um, mature |
| 11:18.10 | liable | by age anyway.. |
| 11:18.11 | Eryn_1983_FL | i am trying to figure out why it 'shutdown' |
| 11:18.25 | cast | good plan, check if some bastard hit the off button |
| 11:18.40 | Eryn_1983_FL | i noticed my button was half pushed in when i got home . |
| 11:18.42 | liable | that goddam cleaning lady again! |
| 11:18.53 | Eryn_1983_FL | but i did ask my roomie to reboot it.. |
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| 11:18.58 | Eryn_1983_FL | i don't know if he did |
| 11:19.07 | Eryn_1983_FL | but at 2:14 it would been too early i think... |
| 11:19.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | not possible... she just pulls the plug to plug the vacuum in |
| 11:19.14 | Eryn_1983_FL | lol |
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| 11:19.41 | Eryn_1983_FL | but that does look like the right kind of line? i checked my historys and i didn't find a shutdown or halt command |
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| 11:20.40 | jaggz | it does explain some cool things, thanks liable. although I think I'm okay with a plain text file of virtual domains for now. |
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| 11:22.05 | jaggz | trying to figure out how to handle the aliases .. on a very old system on which I use postfix I have aliases, but they don't have different subdirectories for the mail spools -- only real accounts exist as the final destinations |
| 11:22.11 | wrksx | I don't quite understand umask. I need that when a user creates a dir trought sftp that dir have write permission for the owner group, but I don't understand how it should be done. |
| 11:22.26 | wrksx | any leads ? |
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| 11:25.36 | jaggz | http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html that works |
| 11:26.06 | jaggz | wrksx, man umask yet? |
| 11:26.18 | jaggz | hm.. "help umask" |
| 11:26.43 | wrksx | jaggz, yeah but how to have umask the same set when accessing throught sftp ? |
| 11:27.32 | jaggz | not sure.. must be a umask setting in the sftp daemon |
| 11:28.34 | wrksx | jaggz, sftp is ssh |
| 11:28.47 | wrksx | jaggz, I should check ssh conf |
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| 11:37.43 | mallxs | Hi, trying to connect to the console port of switch .. wanne use cu bit in what package is that ? |
| 11:38.59 | abrotman | !tell mallxs about apt-file |
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| 11:40.25 | mallxs | Thx abortman ... i use apt-cache .... whats the diff ? |
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| 11:40.42 | abrotman | they do different things .. read the man pages |
| 11:40.50 | mallxs | lol ok |
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| 11:54.47 | _d9 | hi is there a driver for geforce 9400m? I dont want to use nouveau |
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| 11:55.58 | abrotman | the nvidia binary thingie ? |
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| 11:57.29 | _d9 | Is 9400m included in nvidia-glx? |
| 11:59.12 | abrotman | depends which version of debian you have, and if you use that driver or the one from nvidia.com |
| 11:59.58 | _d9 | debian squeeze/testing |
| 12:00.53 | abrotman | !nvidia |
| 12:00.54 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
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| 12:14.46 | sdschulze | Hm, how do I tell dhclient *not* to touch my resolv.conf? |
| 12:14.54 | chilli0 | Hello , I would love to setup a FTP server. But I can't install proftpd It says it installs but it doesn't work. ( weird I know) What is best for a ftp server that needs to be able to add new users and give them their own folder? |
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| 12:15.35 | Bushmills | sshd :) |
| 12:15.54 | chilli0 | Bushmills, @ me/ |
| 12:15.56 | chilli0 | ? |
| 12:16.24 | Bushmills | yes. use scp/sftp client instead, and ssh server |
| 12:16.45 | chilli0 | Ok , I'll have a look. |
| 12:17.04 | Bushmills | eay to create new users, and they'll have personal directories by default |
| 12:17.33 | chilli0 | Umm, When I try to ssh into my server I am just getting auto d |
| 12:17.36 | chilli0 | d\c |
| 12:17.53 | Bushmills | many graphical file managers have scp/sftp support already built-in |
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| 12:18.55 | chilli0 | On one account. though , I think maybe the account is already logged in , how can I log out an account? |
| 12:19.27 | abrotman | chilli0: vsftpd is okay |
| 12:19.36 | chilli0 | abrotman, I think ill use sshd |
| 12:20.13 | abrotman | okay then |
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| 12:23.37 | chilli0 | Anyone know know what's happening? The second I connect it D\c me, but only on this one account./ |
| 12:23.50 | petemc | !debug sshd |
| 12:23.50 | dpkg | To debug sshd (server), run this as root on the server: "/usr/sbin/sshd -d -p 2222". Then use "ssh -p 2222 username@servername" on the client. See also <slow ssh connect>, <ssh permissions>. |
| 12:26.20 | chilli0 | petemc, I had a look , but didn't understand the erros. |
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| 12:26.57 | petemc | put them in a pastebin |
| 12:27.54 | chilli0 | petemc, http://pastebin.com/4xpdiHrP |
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| 12:31.15 | petemc | chilli0: how did you create this user? |
| 12:31.22 | chilli0 | adduser command |
| 12:31.45 | chilli0 | Let me pull up the command. |
| 12:32.08 | merlin83 | hrmm.. anyone knows how i can redirect stdout/stderr for an app launched by start/stop daemon? |
| 12:32.17 | chilli0 | sudo useradd Hunt -p password -d /home/Hunt/ -s /bin/false |
| 12:32.23 | merlin83 | *start-stop-daemon? |
| 12:32.24 | _d9 | it's possible to encrypt /home on a running system |
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| 12:33.05 | Bushmills | chilli0: does grep ^Allow /etc/ssh/sshd_config on server give any output? |
| 12:33.05 | petemc | chilli0: so you set their shell to /bin/false |
| 12:33.26 | chilli0 | petemc, The tut I followed said to do so. |
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| 12:33.32 | chilli0 | Wrong option I guess? |
| 12:33.36 | petemc | chilli0: that was probably for ftp users |
| 12:33.41 | chilli0 | ah,. |
| 12:33.57 | chilli0 | Anyway of changing the shell of that user? |
| 12:34.13 | Bushmills | scponly is a good shell for scp/sftp only users |
| 12:34.45 | petemc | chilli0: vipw |
| 12:34.46 | Bushmills | i.e. being allowed to transfer files, but not log in |
| 12:35.04 | chilli0 | petemc, command not found. |
| 12:35.08 | petemc | as root |
| 12:35.16 | petemc | you're editing /etc/passwd |
| 12:35.17 | Bushmills | chsh |
| 12:35.25 | petemc | chsh works as the user |
| 12:35.31 | abrotman | chilli0: which version of openssh-server is it? dpkg -l openssh-server? |
| 12:35.59 | chilli0 | 1:5.1p1-5 |
| 12:36.02 | Bushmills | root can use chsh, by specifying the user |
| 12:36.10 | petemc | oh, handy |
| 12:37.27 | nsadmin | you -could- edit the files directly but you shouldn't, because the file format of that file or other related files could change |
| 12:38.00 | nsadmin | use the commands instead, like chsh, chfn, usermod |
| 12:38.05 | chilli0 | I removed the user, and re-added it with out the shell , but not the password isn't working. |
| 12:38.09 | petemc | vipw does sanity checking |
| 12:38.13 | abrotman | judd: versions openssh-server |
| 12:38.14 | judd | openssh-server -- etch: 1:4.3p2-9etch3; etch-security: 1:4.3p2-9etch3; lenny: 1:5.1p1-5; squeeze: 1:5.5p1-4; sid: 1:5.5p1-5; experimental: 1:5.6p1-1 |
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| 12:38.37 | nsadmin | chilli0, passwd <user> as root |
| 12:40.09 | chilli0 | Cheers. |
| 12:40.16 | nsadmin | that work? |
| 12:40.27 | chilli0 | Yeah |
| 12:40.44 | nsadmin | see, useradd expects the password in pre-crypted format |
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| 12:41.31 | cast | nsadmin: postcrypted? |
| 12:41.48 | chilli0 | If I chown 777 |
| 12:41.58 | chilli0 | everyone should be able to do everything? |
| 12:42.02 | nsadmin | you cannot chown as anyone but root |
| 12:42.11 | chilli0 | I know , I did it under root |
| 12:42.12 | nsadmin | and chown does not do what you think it does |
| 12:42.15 | nsadmin | man chown |
| 12:42.58 | Bushmills | chilli0: yes, including setting it to 100 |
| 12:43.05 | chilli0 | Thanks. |
| 12:44.21 | nsadmin | another way of thinking about what useradd does with a given passwd... it puts whatever text you give it, into the passwd field without doing anything to it |
| 12:44.31 | chilli0 | =S |
| 12:45.13 | Bushmills | chpasswd for non-interactive password setting |
| 12:45.14 | nsadmin | so if you are using md5 passwords, you have to first turn the plaintext passwd into an md5 |
| 12:46.14 | nsadmin | it's kinda unwieldy |
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| 12:46.32 | nsadmin | there are better ways than feeding the passwd to useradd |
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| 12:48.43 | jaggy | hey guys, how can I stop ping on a box? Cheers |
| 12:49.01 | petemc | block icmp, but its generally thought of as a stupid thing to do |
| 12:49.26 | jaggy | petemc, generally perhaps, but not now :D How would I block icmp? |
| 12:49.55 | liable | you mean inbound ping right? |
| 12:50.09 | jaggy | yes, if someone does ping <ip> that it won't reply |
| 12:50.14 | sedulous | you can block only âicmp echoâ, which is generally harmless, compared to blocking all of ICMP |
| 12:50.16 | nsadmin | jaggy: hit ctrl-c |
| 12:50.17 | liable | iptables |
| 12:50.47 | simplechat | Hey guys, when is squeeze expected to be the new stable? |
| 12:50.56 | nsadmin | when it's ready |
| 12:50.57 | jaggy | guess I'll try iptables then :) thanks |
| 12:51.07 | petemc | or echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/icmp_echo_ignore_all |
| 12:51.08 | simplechat | jaggy, have you used firehol? |
| 12:51.14 | jaggy | simplechat, nope |
| 12:51.16 | sedulous | iptables -A INPUT -p icmp --icmp-type 8 [...] |
| 12:51.23 | simplechat | much easier then raw iptables but just as good |
| 12:51.48 | nsadmin | since it uses raw iptables for you |
| 12:51.49 | jaggy | petemc, reboot after typing that? (I'ma try a bit of everything I guess, I just need it blocked) |
| 12:52.09 | petemc | jaggy: easy enough to test |
| 12:52.43 | nsadmin | blocked from what? |
| 12:52.50 | jaggy | simplechat, is it in the repo? :) |
| 12:52.54 | nsadmin | blocked at what point? |
| 12:53.00 | jaggy | I just need ping replies blocked xD |
| 12:53.03 | simplechat | yep |
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| 12:53.07 | simplechat | its called firehol |
| 12:53.12 | nsadmin | oh, -replies- |
| 12:53.28 | nsadmin | so receiving pings is ok, replying is not |
| 12:53.44 | jaggy | yeah, aslong as it seems like a ping out at the pingers end it's all fine by me |
| 12:53.53 | jaggy | it just has to apear that the box is down when pinging |
| 12:53.56 | petemc | those pesky pingers |
| 12:54.10 | nsadmin | feisty fingers |
| 12:54.39 | jaggy | simplechat, installing :) I assume it's a pretty straight forward program? |
| 12:54.52 | simplechat | yeah |
| 12:54.58 | simplechat | the version in the repo doesn't work fully though :( |
| 12:55.02 | simplechat | theres a patch upstream |
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| 12:55.20 | nsadmin | well this is packet filtering... there's nothing straightforward about that |
| 12:55.20 | jaggy | damn |
| 12:55.31 | simplechat | jaggy, nothing critical is buggy |
| 12:55.38 | jaggy | oh, kk |
| 12:55.53 | nsadmin | you have a specific job you want to do, and it'll problably do it -if- it has specific user interface to represent it |
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| 12:56.29 | mcgreg | hi |
| 12:58.12 | _d9 | Is there a tool for finding out saved passwords? I dont mean in firefox |
| 12:58.23 | simplechat | _d9, more info? |
| 12:58.51 | mcgreg | sorry I might have an off-topic question... what number of threads should I use to compile stuff (like kernel for example)? I've read several "answers" to that , some say .. threads=cpu+1, threads=(cpu*2)+1, threads=cpu's - honestly I'm rather confused now |
| 12:58.54 | _d9 | I want to change my wifi router and I need the data for access from my provider |
| 12:59.15 | _d9 | they are saved as ******** and I want to read it out |
| 12:59.17 | simplechat | mcgreg, number of processors + 1 |
| 12:59.22 | simplechat | so say you have a dual core use -j 3 |
| 12:59.27 | simplechat | quadcore -j 5 |
| 12:59.49 | simplechat | the idea is that one is always going to be iobound, whereas the rest are doing cpu work |
| 13:00.21 | mcgreg | ok, thanks |
| 13:01.04 | _d9 | you know a tool for it? |
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| 13:02.00 | Cisien | dpkg is hung, and not responding to kill -9 ...any ideas? |
| 13:02.01 | dpkg | Cisien: wish i knew |
| 13:02.11 | simplechat | _d9, it might be within the network config file |
| 13:02.17 | simplechat | Cisien, check ps aux | grep dpkg |
| 13:02.19 | simplechat | what does it say? |
| 13:02.37 | Cisien | root 4099 0.0 0.1 27916 10912 ? Ds 05:50 0:00 /usr/bin/dpkg --status-fd 10 --unpack ....... |
| 13:02.45 | wrksx | I tried for 2 hours to change the umask of sftp connection on openSSH, but I can't find how to do it. Does anyone have any idea how this could be achieved ? |
| 13:03.02 | Cisien | dmesg is warning that the process was blocking for more than 120 seconds and dumps a stack trace |
| 13:03.43 | simplechat | Cisien, can you touch a new file on whatever disk its using? |
| 13:03.48 | simplechat | it looks like its disk has gone away |
| 13:04.01 | Cisien | I can |
| 13:04.27 | Cisien | http://pastebin.com/KGGxtTmU |
| 13:04.51 | simplechat | yeah |
| 13:04.57 | simplechat | that message means that the vfs layer is blocked somewhere |
| 13:05.06 | simplechat | so its trying to write to something that isn't responding |
| 13:05.12 | simplechat | do you have any network file systems mounted? |
| 13:05.17 | simplechat | does df -h respond? |
| 13:05.27 | Cisien | yes |
| 13:05.45 | Cisien | no network |
| 13:05.50 | simplechat | do you have strace installed? |
| 13:05.54 | Cisien | 2 software raid volumes, and a couple of lvm volumes |
| 13:05.58 | Cisien | all appear healthy |
| 13:06.19 | Cisien | it's not installed |
| 13:06.19 | simplechat | cat /proc/mdadm |
| 13:06.22 | simplechat | kk |
| 13:06.38 | Cisien | that's proc/mdstat, btw |
| 13:06.57 | Cisien | everything is healthy according to that |
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| 13:07.36 | Cisien | only thing i can think of is heavy writes on the raid-5 volume... but dpkg doesn't even touch that. |
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| 13:08.42 | simplechat | *mdstat |
| 13:08.45 | simplechat | hmmmmmm |
| 13:09.12 | simplechat | yeah, all i can really say is that it looks like whatever its trying to write to is frozen. I normally see this with nfs volumes that have gone away |
| 13:09.19 | Cisien | looks like the process finally died |
| 13:09.19 | simplechat | or with virtual machines whose hard disks have gone away |
| 13:09.54 | simplechat | kk |
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| 13:10.04 | Cisien | yeah, that would make sense |
| 13:10.20 | Cisien | the fact that all my volumes are accessable is what makes this weird. |
| 13:11.16 | MrFrood | I think I might be having some issues with the internet can somebody please see if http://www.weechat.org/ and http://mupdf.com/ sites are up for me |
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| 13:11.39 | simplechat | MrFrood, ? |
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| 13:12.49 | MrFrood | some web-sites are not loading for me, I just want conermation that it's my debian box that is the issue |
| 13:13.05 | MrFrood | *confirmation |
| 13:13.40 | simplechat | kk |
| 13:13.54 | simplechat | works for me |
| 13:14.08 | simplechat | MrFrood, can you run ping www.weechat.org |
| 13:15.00 | MrFrood | ok, thanks - guess I'm goint to have to revisit some of the network tweaks that I did last week :| |
| 13:15.41 | MrFrood | simplechat: PING weechat.org (178.63.40.67) 56(84) bytes of data. |
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| 13:16.26 | finetic | I have a Debian Lenny dedicated server. I like to set it up as a VPN Server where I can connect to and have the dedicated server ip completely for all I do on windows.. is this possible? |
| 13:16.27 | MrFrood | but 3 browsers all refuse to load the site |
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| 13:17.15 | simplechat | MrFrood, ok then. |
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| 13:17.30 | jelly-home | MrFrood: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/www.weechat.org |
| 13:17.52 | MrFrood | simplechat: 112 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 110999m |
| 13:18.10 | simplechat | MrFrood, can you run traceroute/mtr |
| 13:18.13 | simplechat | and tell me what they says? |
| 13:20.13 | Bushmills | finetic: openvpn. but you need at least 2 ip addresses on server |
| 13:20.52 | MrFrood | simplechat: not sure what mtr is? |
| 13:20.57 | finetic | Bushmills: ah I can, but I need to obtain a second, let me see if I can today |
| 13:21.04 | Bushmills | (one as server ip address - same to which your vpn client connects to - and one you route or SNAT to your client vpn address) |
| 13:21.20 | finetic | Bushmills: is this hard to set up? |
| 13:21.35 | Bushmills | depends what one calls "hard" |
| 13:21.37 | MrFrood | traceroute to weechat.org (178.63.40.67), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets |
| 13:22.00 | simplechat | MrFrood, nice traceroute |
| 13:22.07 | Bushmills | instructions for openvpn setup are rather good, but there are things you need to do, just installing is not enough |
| 13:23.03 | MrFrood | the rest of it is 30 numbered lines with "* * *" after each number |
| 13:23.58 | abioticrhyme | if I have already created a firewall with iptables and saved it can I add new rules and just save it as firewall.conf which what I already created? |
| 13:24.54 | Bushmills | finetic: maybe the way you formulated what you intend to do wasn't quite clear. the "dedicated server ip completely for all I do on windows" part. what do you mean by that? |
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| 13:38.43 | MIH1406 | Hi, I want to download Debian but I am confused!! |
| 13:38.56 | xuser | MIH1406: use ubuntu |
| 13:39.16 | MIH1406 | I am using it |
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| 13:39.55 | MIH1406 | I want to use debian but confused which release suites me [alpha][amd64][arm][armel][hppa][i386][ia64][mips][mipsel][powerpc][sparc][s390][source][multi-arch] |
| 13:40.03 | xuser | use ubuntu |
| 13:40.06 | MIH1406 | Is it i386? |
| 13:40.07 | Bercik | depens what platform you have ;] |
| 13:40.11 | valdyn | MIH1406: i386 |
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| 13:40.15 | MIH1406 | normal |
| 13:40.20 | Bercik | lol |
| 13:40.27 | Bercik | stick with ubuntu then |
| 13:40.41 | MIH1406 | intel centrino Duo T5800 |
| 13:40.45 | xuser | MIH1406: is for a desktop? |
| 13:40.50 | Bercik | i386 |
| 13:40.52 | MIH1406 | yes desktop |
| 13:40.57 | xuser | use ubuntu |
| 13:41.48 | MIH1406 | I used Ubuntu since 2007 but I want to switch to Debian, I think it is more advanced |
| 13:41.59 | valdyn | MIH1406: it isnt more advanced |
| 13:42.35 | MIH1406 | I mean the users of Debian are more advanced |
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| 13:42.47 | Bercik | If you don't even know what platform youre on using something more complicated is not a good idea. |
| 13:43.29 | MIH1406 | It is not like that |
| 13:44.16 | MIH1406 | There are 31 cd images!! |
| 13:44.23 | valdyn | !netinstall |
| 13:44.24 | dpkg | it has been said that netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 13:44.26 | MIH1406 | Do I have to download all of them? |
| 13:44.35 | xuser | MIH1406: here is a good reason |
| 13:44.43 | xuser | judd version iceweasel |
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| 13:45.31 | MIH1406 | xuser: what? |
| 13:45.36 | xuser | how does judd work? |
| 13:45.56 | valdyn | xuser: why would lenny having an old version of iceweasel be a reason for anything? |
| 13:46.09 | valdyn | MIH1406: what dpkg said, use the netinstall disk |
| 13:46.25 | valdyn | judd: versions iceweasel |
| 13:46.26 | MrFrood | simplechat: http://pastebin.com/aXQ36fNu any ideas what in there would cause my problems |
| 13:46.26 | judd | iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.11-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.11-2; sid: 3.5.12-1; experimental: 3.6.9-1 |
| 13:46.27 | xuser | valdyn: because hald the addons not longer work with 3.5.x? |
| 13:46.28 | MIH1406 | is there a GUI for installin Debian like in Ubuntu? |
| 13:46.52 | valdyn | xuser: he probably does not need any addon that is not packaged with lenny |
| 13:47.15 | MrFrood | MIH1406: do you mean a live-disk? |
| 13:47.27 | simplechat | mmm |
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| 13:48.03 | xuser | valdyn: debian packages firefox add-ons? |
| 13:48.12 | valdyn | xuser: yes |
| 13:48.18 | MIH1406 | No I mean Steb by Steb GUI for installing Ubuntu |
| 13:48.32 | abrotman | !netinst |
| 13:48.32 | dpkg | [netinst] a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 13:48.41 | abrotman | !tell MIH1406 about ig |
| 13:49.07 | MIH1406 | I will try the netinst and come back |
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| 13:52.02 | sdschulze | MIH1406: It's quite step-by-step. |
| 13:52.13 | sdschulze | just not so many visual effects... |
| 13:52.57 | sdschulze | thinks gnome-volume-control sucks in Ubuntu. |
| 13:58.02 | cast | s/gnome-volume-control/* |
| 13:59.03 | sdschulze | ? |
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| 14:03.27 | grand_grunt | I'm getting "requested NFS version or transport protocol is not supported" while trying to mount NFS with lenny server and squeeze client, through a VPN (openvpn) with no firewall. Where may that come from? |
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| 14:08.13 | sdschulze | cast: What about it? |
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| 14:11.47 | grand_grunt | Ok, got it: portmap needed to be restarted :) |
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| 14:12.36 | Robuster | hello |
| 14:12.43 | Robuster | how can i install a truetype font? |
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| 14:15.33 | melkor | I've got a question about grub, I tried to install it on an external hd, but I still cannot boot from it. Also I have grub on the main hd, that recognizes the hd it can tell the first partition is ntfs but it says the second partition is unknown, thats the ext3 partition. |
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| 14:19.06 | MrFrood | /etc/sysctl.conf at http://pastebin.com/aXQ36fNu I commented out the speed up section (which I had previously added weechat .org is still not working for me :( |
| 14:19.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | grand_grunt, "apt-cache search truetype" look for the package you wanted and "aptitude install <packagename>" |
| 14:20.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | err |
| 14:20.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | Robuster, ^^^ |
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| 14:22.02 | Robuster | yeah i just didnt know where to put them but i found it (/usr/share/fonts/truetype) |
| 14:22.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's a _lot_ of them packaged |
| 14:22.26 | Robuster | another question, is it possible to modify the folder viewer to have a status bar for easy directory changing? |
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| 14:34.07 | imperfect- | Is there a firefox and flash dpkg out there somewhere? |
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| 14:47.13 | lenswipe|newpc | hey guys |
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| 14:49.40 | jordanm | !tell imperfect- about flash |
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| 14:57.37 | e-dub | hey |
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| 14:58.55 | imperfect- | So is this one of those situations where iceweasel won't run flash? |
| 14:59.02 | imperfect- | Because that makes this unusable for me ;( |
| 14:59.37 | valdyn | !wayttd imperfect- |
| 14:59.38 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, imperfect-? |
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| 14:59.58 | e-dub | hey all |
| 15:00.16 | e-dub | first time on irc |
| 15:00.24 | mattgirv | e-dub: Welcome to IRC |
| 15:00.25 | imperfect- | dpkg: Trying to watch flash based training materials. |
| 15:00.25 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, imperfect- |
| 15:00.39 | mattgirv | imperfect-: dpkg is a bot... |
| 15:00.48 | e-dub | thnx |
| 15:00.51 | mattgirv | imperfect-: 64bit? |
| 15:00.56 | imperfect- | mattgirv: yea |
| 15:01.12 | e-dub | my brother sais this is a good place to learn |
| 15:01.24 | mattgirv | imperfect-: http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
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| 15:01.25 | imperfect- | mattgirv: It's installed. |
| 15:01.30 | imperfect- | mattgirv: Just doesn't work ;) |
| 15:01.45 | imperfect- | I'm running multimedia-org's flashplayer-mozilla |
| 15:02.12 | valdyn | imperfect-: what is handling flash accoring to about:plugins |
| 15:02.52 | imperfect- | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:02.53 | imperfect- | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:03.13 | valdyn | imperfect-: that ought to work |
| 15:03.16 | imperfect- | And, totem of flv it looks like |
| 15:03.41 | imperfect- | Totem is handling .flv's |
| 15:03.58 | imperfect- | actually |
| 15:04.05 | imperfect- | I've got two versions installed. |
| 15:04.08 | imperfect- | 10 and 9. |
| 15:04.10 | imperfect- | boggle. |
| 15:04.15 | valdyn | imperfect-: thats irrelevant that totem handles .flv |
| 15:04.36 | imperfect- | valdyn: It may be, but you asked. ;) |
| 15:04.37 | valdyn | imperfect-: flash is flash and will be played by flash even if just .flv data |
| 15:05.09 | imperfect- | Basically all that happens is where i should be seeing flash I see the grey play button |
| 15:05.13 | imperfect- | which when clicked does jack |
| 15:05.32 | valdyn | imperfect-: the grey play button comes from gnash |
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| 15:05.43 | valdyn | imperfect-: so youre probably overlooking something in your about:plugins |
| 15:06.48 | imperfect- | valdyn: http://pastebin.ca/1938257 |
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| 15:06.58 | imperfect- | valdyn: There ya go |
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| 15:07.56 | imperfect- | Package gnash is not installed, so not removed |
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| 15:08.52 | valdyn | imperfect-: libswfdec-mozilla is gnash, not adobe flash |
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| 15:09.22 | iluminator101 | k3b return unknown error (code 2)???????? |
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| 15:09.55 | valdyn | imperfect-: "update-alternatives --config flash-mozilla.so" |
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| 15:10.07 | jordanm | iluminator101: ~/.xsession_errors |
| 15:10.21 | imperfect- | There is only 1 program which provides flash-mozilla.so |
| 15:10.23 | imperfect- | (/usr/lib/swfdec-mozilla/libswfdecmozilla.so). Nothing to configure. |
| 15:10.39 | valdyn | imperfect-: remove the package providing that plugin |
| 15:10.45 | jordanm | imperfect-: did you read the flash wiki page that the bot linked you to? |
| 15:10.50 | imperfect- | is there a --whatprovides |
| 15:11.00 | imperfect- | jordanm: Yes. That's how I got into this mess ;) |
| 15:11.02 | iluminator101 | jordanm, what you mean |
| 15:11.03 | jordanm | imperfect-: aptitude search ~P |
| 15:11.24 | mattgirv | imperfect-: Did you link the files correctly and such? |
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| 15:11.36 | jordanm | imperfect-: it tells you that flashplugin-nonfree is available in backports, with a "see backports" link that has instructions on setting up backports... |
| 15:11.43 | valdyn | imperfect-: aptitude purge swfdec-mozilla |
| 15:11.59 | valdyn | he has flash |
| 15:12.08 | valdyn | thats not his problem |
| 15:12.19 | imperfect- | valdyn: Says gnome depends on it. |
| 15:12.23 | jordanm | ah, alternatives |
| 15:12.36 | valdyn | imperfect-: you dont need the "gnome" package |
| 15:12.46 | imperfect- | okie day |
| 15:12.54 | valdyn | imperfect-: if aptitude wants to remove more than the "gnome" package, then you got a problem, otherwise you dont |
| 15:12.57 | imperfect- | That strikes as a nasty meta package |
| 15:12.58 | imperfect- | shrug |
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| 15:14.19 | imperfect- | and woot. |
| 15:14.19 | imperfect- | =) |
| 15:14.24 | imperfect- | Well done sir. |
| 15:14.41 | imperfect- | now if I can jsut live with the constant flashplayer crashes |
| 15:15.05 | valdyn | imperfect-: i would use the 64-bit plugin I think |
| 15:15.32 | valdyn | imperfect-: but that one also has known vulnerabilities and is no longer supported by adobe |
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| 15:16.46 | valdyn | hopefully lightspark is usable soon |
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| 15:16.55 | imperfect- | Is there any point in building actual firefox? |
| 15:17.07 | mattgirv | Eh? |
| 15:17.08 | valdyn | imperfect-: why would there be a point? |
| 15:17.14 | mattgirv | As opposed to Iceweasel, no. |
| 15:17.38 | imperfect- | Well because iceweasel isn't updated much apparently |
| 15:18.01 | valdyn | imperfect-: just download firefox from mozilla.com and use that one |
| 15:18.11 | imperfect- | valdyn: It's all broke |
| 15:18.16 | valdyn | imperfect-: if you really need the latest |
| 15:18.22 | mattgirv | Well it's IceCat now afaik. |
| 15:18.24 | valdyn | imperfect-: how so? |
| 15:19.02 | imperfect- | valdyn: 64 elf errors |
| 15:19.27 | imperfect- | Of course now, iceweasel won't load webpages |
| 15:19.29 | imperfect- | It's a feature. |
| 15:19.33 | merlin83 | hmm, anyone knows how i can get start-stop-daemon to redirect stdout/stderr of the process its running into a file? |
| 15:19.53 | jhutchins_lt | jordanm: Is flash still missing from squeeze? |
| 15:20.06 | imperfect- | merlin83: 2>&1 ? |
| 15:20.53 | merlin83 | imperfect-: that re-directs the output of start-stop-daemon, not the process its running? |
| 15:20.55 | imperfect- | merlin83: so uhm like > to file 2>&1 I think will do it |
| 15:21.08 | imperfect- | merlin83: OH! I misunderstood |
| 15:21.23 | imperfect- | merlin83: you'd have to find where it's executing the command and add it there i'd imagine |
| 15:22.50 | imperfect- | motherfuck. |
| 15:23.18 | imperfect- | I've been running epiphany for an hour. |
| 15:23.21 | imperfect- | That's it, I give up. |
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| 15:25.13 | imperfect- | here's a question: I've got 15 ethernet interfaces |
| 15:25.31 | imperfect- | Is there a way to statically assign them device names and designate a primary ? |
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| 15:30.21 | alise | Can one "burn" the netinst CD to a USB stick, or do you have to use the USB images? |
| 15:30.56 | rames | 'morning all ... i'm having a real hard time (re-)finding good command-line pdf tools (ie: foo*.jpg > pdf ... pdfsplit foo.pdf 1.pdf 2.pdf, etc..) |
| 15:31.39 | rames | there used to be ~good~ packages in the ~2.3 timeframe but now there's a whoooole bunch of noise when apt-cache searching for relevant stuff |
| 15:32.07 | jhutchins_lt | !tell alise about usb install |
| 15:32.37 | alise | jham: mmhm, I am well aware. However, the guides only talk about using the USB-specific images on a USB stick, whereas I would like to use the normal netinst CD image. |
| 15:32.42 | imperfect- | Of course sound doesn't work |
| 15:32.44 | alise | I am merely wondering whether it will boot successfully. |
| 15:32.47 | imperfect- | It's 1995 all over again |
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| 15:33.34 | jhutchins_lt | imperfect-: in many ways it is, we have yet to arrive at the standard that superceeds the soundblaster. |
| 15:33.45 | sulphur16 | Hello All |
| 15:34.01 | jhutchins_lt | alise: I would suggest the fastest route to an answer would be to write the image to a stick and try to boot it. |
| 15:34.05 | sulphur16 | I am having problems with aptitude. The eclipse package is missing. |
| 15:34.24 | alise | jhutchins_lt: There's a rather big download to negotiate before that step. |
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| 15:34.40 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions eclipse |
| 15:34.43 | judd | eclipse -- etch: 3.2.1-4; sid: 3.5.2-6; squeeze: 3.5.2-6 |
| 15:35.08 | sulphur16 | I am using Lenny |
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| 15:35.47 | humbolt | did anybody ever play with hadoop? |
| 15:35.55 | sulphur16 | 'sudo aptitude search eclipse' returns nothing |
| 15:36.04 | rames | humbolt: a bit... |
| 15:36.12 | humbolt | rames: cool |
| 15:36.17 | jhutchins_lt | sulphur16: There's a way to find out why a package isn't available in a particular release, but I don't know what it is. |
| 15:36.22 | humbolt | what did you play around with_ |
| 15:36.34 | jhutchins_lt | sulphur16: Note that no lenny version was listed by judd. |
| 15:36.40 | rames | humbolt: investigating hdfs / hbase and a bit of "pig" |
| 15:37.09 | qq- | sulphur16, seems missing main repos from your sources |
| 15:37.26 | rames | humbolt: unfortunately it's all like "requires DBA" ... i was looking for something more like: "fire and forget" but requires a bunch of handholding |
| 15:37.36 | humbolt | rames: I am thinking about a certain use case but am not completely sure, if hadoop is the right choice for that. |
| 15:37.47 | sulphur16 | How do I check if main repo are missing from my sources |
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| 15:37.54 | rames | humbolt: you have to put on your Serious Business hat if you're going to be messing with it |
| 15:38.07 | rames | humbolt: what are you looking to do? |
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| 15:38.31 | qq- | sulphur16, nvm, i may be wrong |
| 15:38.38 | jhutchins_lt | sulphur16: you should see it in the output of aptitude update, but I think it would be simplest to just look at your sources.list |
| 15:38.43 | humbolt | rames: using it as a distributed storage for video and for transcoding these videos across the many nodes. |
| 15:38.50 | jhutchins_lt | sulphur16: Again, eclipse is not available in lenny. |
| 15:38.57 | rames | humbolt: you and me ... we think alike :^) |
| 15:39.27 | sulphur16 | So I can't install eclipse in lenny |
| 15:39.32 | rames | humbolt: so the biggest benefit for you would be hdfs but the biggest problem is that it doesn't "just work" when adding / removing nodes |
| 15:39.41 | humbolt | rames: well, seems like the only distributed storage solution around, which is not based on SAN |
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| 15:39.55 | sulphur16 | It was there this evening. I uninstalled it and when tried to reinstall, it was not there :( |
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| 15:40.06 | rames | humbolt: check- http://ceph.newdream.net/ |
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| 15:41.29 | rames | humbolt: livejournal also had a perl-based one that looked pretty good but was in perl. |
| 15:41.41 | humbolt | rames: if adding a node is some work but does not stall my system as long as I am trying, that's ok |
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| 15:42.04 | humbolt | rames: I do not want to emulate block devices |
| 15:42.09 | rames | humbolt: it's more along the lines of "you really have to pay attention" |
| 15:42.23 | sulphur16 | 'deb ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free'. This line is there in my sources. I believe that means main is in my sources.list |
| 15:42.39 | rames | humbolt: let me see if i can dig up more research on this that i did |
| 15:42.42 | humbolt | I would be perfectly happy, if I had a solution, which would distribute copys of the same data across a number of nodes for redundancy |
| 15:43.38 | jhutchins_lt | rames, humbolt: might want to continue this in #debian-offtopic |
| 15:43.59 | rames | humbolt: yeah... i know *EXACTLY* your use case, as that is what i was trying to do too- MogileFS was livejournal's solution |
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| 15:45.25 | rames | in any case... back on topic... i'm looking for "pdf tools" package but the pdf keyword in apt-cache search is really crappy all of a sudden |
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| 15:47.00 | humbolt | rames: would you follow me to #debian-offtopic |
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| 15:48.17 | rames | humbolt: yeah, gimme a sec |
| 15:48.22 | qq- | sulphur16, fix your sources : ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ is wrong : Unable to load page |
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| 15:50.57 | sulphur16 | I can open this page 'ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/' |
| 15:51.26 | qq- | sulphur16, use http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ |
| 15:51.27 | sulphur16 | qq: a directory listing shows up |
| 15:51.38 | sulphur16 | okay |
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| 15:53.56 | sulphur16 | qq: Tried 'http' but still not there |
| 15:54.00 | jhutchins_lt | Doesn't really matter. |
| 15:54.53 | qq- | sulphur16, eclipse -- etch: 3.2.1-4; sid: 3.5.2-6; squeeze: 3.5.2-6 < not in lenny |
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| 15:55.32 | sulphur16 | But it was there when I first installed lenny version 3.2 I guess |
| 15:55.55 | sulphur16 | qq: This link also mentions something similar 'http://www.pubbs.net/201001/debian/20204-how-to-install-eclipse-35-on-debian-5-lenny-stable-release-.html' |
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| 15:59.04 | jhutchins_lt | sulphur16: Packages do get pulled from releases. There's usually a web page that says why something isn't available, but I don't know how to find one for a specific package. |
| 16:00.12 | jhutchins_lt | sulphur16: Better not to quote links. |
| 16:00.31 | qq- | sulphur16, your pc is a desktop machine? |
| 16:00.53 | sulphur16 | qq: Yes it is |
| 16:01.05 | qq- | sulphur16, so upgrade to squeeze |
| 16:01.31 | jhutchins_lt | !show eclipse |
| 16:01.34 | qq- | dpkg, lenny->squeeze |
| 16:01.34 | dpkg | Ask me about <squeeze udev>, as you will need to upgrade to the squeeze kernel and reboot first. Remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile) or bpo, then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude linux-image-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` ; reboot; aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>, <squeeze release notes>. |
| 16:01.41 | jhutchins_lt | qq-: squeeze is not an upgrade, it is an experiment. |
| 16:01.54 | sulphur16 | qq: Will it be stable? |
| 16:02.10 | qq- | sulphur16, sure |
| 16:02.14 | jhutchins_lt | qq-: If you can't fix the problem in lenny, you are not ready to install squeeze. |
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| 16:02.32 | jhutchins_lt | sulphur16: No, it is NOT stable, squeeze is testing. |
| 16:02.43 | jhutchins_lt | qq-: Please do not give this advice to people, it is WRONG. |
| 16:02.58 | qq- | jhutchins_lt, fix what ? a missing packages ;) |
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| 16:03.16 | jhutchins_lt | qq-: Whatever problem someone is having. |
| 16:03.36 | jhutchins_lt | qq-: If you are not able to port the solution from squeeze to lenny, you are not ready to run a testing release. |
| 16:03.44 | sulphur16 | The thing is I did had eclipse in my desktop till this evening |
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| 16:03.56 | sulphur16 | I installed it using synaptic |
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| 16:04.44 | sulphur16 | I uninstalled it then installed sun jre |
| 16:04.56 | sulphur16 | Then when i tried to find it in the repo, it was missing |
| 16:05.08 | jhutchins_lt | sulphur16: Right. |
| 16:05.28 | jhutchins_lt | sulphur16: You can backport it from squeeze or sid, this is MUCH better than installing squeeze. |
| 16:05.34 | jhutchins_lt | !tell sulphur16 about ssb |
| 16:05.56 | sulphur16 | jhutchins_lt: ssb? |
| 16:06.18 | jhutchins_lt | sulphur16: See message from dpkg about backporting packages. It's not hard. |
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| 16:07.09 | sulphur16 | I do have this line in my sources 'deb http://www.backports.org/debian/ lenny-backports main contrib non-free' |
| 16:07.10 | jhutchins_lt | sulphur16: You might want to find out why it was pulled first. There may be a good reason. |
| 16:07.37 | jhutchins_lt | sulphur16: IT'S NOT IN THE REPOS! IT WAS IN THE REPOS, BUT IT'S NOT NOW. |
| 16:07.48 | jhutchins_lt | sulphur16: There's a reason for that. |
| 16:08.00 | sulphur16 | Oh!!! |
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| 16:08.27 | sulphur16 | jhutchins_lt: Thanks |
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| 16:25.42 | Saliven | Hi guys... So i got a problem :(... X Server wont start correctly... when it starts, whole computer freezes (black screen, cant do anything, even ctrl+alt+f key |
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| 16:27.31 | jhutchins_lt | Saliven: squeeze on intell graphics? |
| 16:27.58 | Saliven | jhutchins_lt: no, squeeze on ATI graphics |
| 16:28.24 | jhutchins_lt | Try disabling framebuffer and/or kms. |
| 16:28.31 | Saliven | how? |
| 16:28.42 | jhutchins_lt | If you don't know you shouldn't be running squeeze. |
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| 16:34.11 | Saliven | well, i was and i wanna be running it.. |
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| 16:42.43 | Saliven | by the way, it worked for me before, bu ti had to reinstall and then the problem started to happen... |
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| 16:51.00 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
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| 16:56.18 | foetus | serious issue - i use proftpd and after updating to 5.0.6 the kernel brings "warning: `proftpd' uses 32-bit capabilities (legacy support in use)", i have found an entry in the proftpd forum, that solves the issue like this: A newer version of the libcap library (called the "libcap2-dev" package on some Linux distributions) is now available. To remove the above warning, you will need to update/install the newer libcap2 package on your system, |
| 16:56.36 | foetus | so - what should i do? |
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| 17:01.11 | foetus | proftpd doesn't work. if i connect with clients over tls with ssl the sockets are begin to hang and give no response, killall to the sockets is ineffectual, i must send a sigkill to every socket to kill them. |
| 17:02.32 | foetus | without doing this the server is affected in a strange way. so proftpd should be updated as fast as possible. thats what i mean. |
| 17:03.00 | foetus | but maybe i'm wrong. |
| 17:03.20 | foetus | sorry for the long post. |
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| 17:06.59 | foetus | i prepare to compile proftpd and link it to libcap2. hope it works.. |
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| 17:10.05 | tomodachi | oki |
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| 17:15.17 | foetus | ok..have something to do :) |
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| 17:18.20 | vreg | waves hello. |
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| 17:20.49 | vreg | i'd like to get dwm running |
| 17:21.02 | vreg | i did an apt-get install dwm |
| 17:21.18 | vreg | got a handful of x11 libs too i think |
| 17:21.30 | norbert_ | I tried e-mailing the "vice" deb package maintainer, but his maildir is over quota; what to do now... is there an overseer that I can e-mail about the maintainer not checking his e-mail? |
| 17:21.34 | vreg | dwm: cannot open display |
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| 17:21.46 | vreg | so i did startx and got command not found |
| 17:22.21 | vreg | i'm guessing i don't have enough of X |
| 17:22.40 | vreg | does that mean i should do "apt-get install X11"? |
| 17:23.17 | tomodachi | isnt it xorg-free |
| 17:23.29 | tomodachi | or something similair to that... |
| 17:23.39 | vreg | is a beginner. |
| 17:23.44 | vreg | :) |
| 17:23.45 | Bushmills | vreg: incorrect |
| 17:24.31 | Bushmills | (for "cannot open display" it is. for startx you need some more) |
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| 17:25.20 | vreg | not sure i understand |
| 17:25.34 | vreg | did the apt-get pull enough of X down to do dwm? |
| 17:25.43 | vreg | if not for the "cannot open display" when i type dwm |
| 17:26.05 | Bushmills | you got enough X for sending output of dwm across the network to another machine with an X server running |
| 17:26.27 | Bushmills | but you don't have enough for displaying the output on your local screen |
| 17:26.43 | vreg | oh |
| 17:27.00 | MrFrood | dwm does not have x in its depends (at least on squeeze) so you need to install the X stuff seperatly |
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| 17:27.32 | Bushmills | X clients usually don't depend on an X server when installing them |
| 17:27.37 | vreg | would it be "apt-get install xorg-free"? i guess i should've mentioned my debian is console-only right now |
| 17:27.54 | Bushmills | as it may not be desired at all to install an X server on the same machine |
| 17:28.33 | Bushmills | xorg should do |
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| 17:30.57 | vreg | wow that's a lot of packages :) |
| 17:31.02 | vreg | installing now |
| 17:32.15 | sussudio | i'm afraid there won't be any more channel stats... my harddisk just seems to have crashed. |
| 17:32.24 | MrFrood | vreg: you are aware that dwm can only be configured by editing the source and rebuilding it? |
| 17:33.49 | vreg | yep |
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| 17:34.33 | vreg | rebuilding is something i have to learn anyway, might as well start somewhere :) |
| 17:34.41 | vreg | err, are rebuilding and compiling the same thing? |
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| 17:35.23 | vreg | xorg installed |
| 17:35.34 | MrFrood | vreg: good, I use dwm - I built the binary package from the debian source package. I have one patch applied plus some changes to config.h |
| 17:36.09 | vreg | that's weird, i still get the "dwm: cannot open display" |
| 17:36.36 | valdyn | vreg: X needs to be running before dwm can run on top of it |
| 17:36.42 | vreg | oh |
| 17:36.54 | MrFrood | try startx |
| 17:37.00 | valdyn | vreg: why are you starting this with dwm at all? |
| 17:37.47 | vreg | startx brings up a (semi-blinding) background with the dwm-4 thing in the northeast corner |
| 17:38.17 | vreg | valdyn, dwm because i'd like to open firefox and pdf reader and that stuff |
| 17:38.21 | MrFrood | valdyn: dwm very light (180k binary) and very fast |
| 17:38.47 | valdyn | MrFrood: i doubt the wm load is relevant if he wants to run firefox |
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| 17:39.06 | MrFrood | vreg: use .xinitrc file to set a non blinding background colour |
| 17:39.27 | zitter | hi, is there a debian based distro like ipcop or something similar? |
| 17:39.31 | vreg | hunts for .xinitrc |
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| 17:40.01 | vreg | how do you call up the console/terminal thing? |
| 17:40.02 | valdyn | not that dwm is bad, but beginning to use debian with software that needs recompiling to configure is probably a bad idea |
| 17:40.10 | MrFrood | valdyn: use dwm and I run Iceweasel and yes the wm load is importent to me |
| 17:40.24 | Bushmills | or xsetroot -solid black |
| 17:40.35 | valdyn | xmonad is slow, cant say that bothers me at all |
| 17:41.37 | vreg | is there a keystroke to open up a terminal? |
| 17:41.50 | valdyn | vreg: im sure dwm has documentation |
| 17:42.04 | avuton | I'm using mysql on a multicore machine, but it's only on one process, taking up one core; is there a way to spread it out over them? |
| 17:42.05 | MrFrood | vreg: Bushmills suggestion is what you need in your .xinitrc to set the background everytime you startx |
| 17:42.38 | Bushmills | colour may differ, though |
| 17:42.40 | MrFrood | vreg: ctrl+shift+enter for a terminal |
| 17:42.49 | valdyn | avuton: read the documetation? |
| 17:43.20 | vreg | that's weird, ctrl+shitf+enter isn't opening a terminal |
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| 17:43.33 | _stefanos_ | Good evening everyone. |
| 17:43.40 | avuton | Yeah, figured that might be the answer. If the documentation wasn't so damn verbose :) I'll dig again see if I can whittle it down. |
| 17:43.40 | valdyn | avuton: programs can be multithreaded without using more than one process, btw |
| 17:43.50 | MrFrood | vreg: sorry my mistake alt not ctrl |
| 17:44.05 | _stefanos_ | I'm a Debian candidate end-user and I would like to ask a few questions if i may. |
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| 17:44.11 | avuton | valdyn: yeah, but it's taking up 100% in top, would take up >100% if it's using >1 core right? |
| 17:44.16 | vreg | no worries |
| 17:44.17 | Bushmills | depends how much you pay |
| 17:44.20 | vreg | thanks MrFrood |
| 17:44.26 | vreg | i was beginning to panic :) |
| 17:44.32 | valdyn | avuton: yea |
| 17:44.46 | vreg | hunts for .xinitrc |
| 17:44.55 | valdyn | avuton: unless one single request is causing that load. Obviously that one request wouldnt be devided into multiple threads |
| 17:44.55 | avuton | Yeah, just feel like there's some mysqld tunable I'm missing but I'll continue the hunt; thanks. |
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| 17:45.32 | avuton | No, it's two, or I was trying two but it appears it's being restricted to 100% |
| 17:46.12 | _stefanos_ | Is Debian more or less like any other GNU / Linux distro, or differentiates itself with unique features? |
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| 17:46.30 | Bushmills | yes, and no. |
| 17:46.40 | tomodachi | _stefanos_: well, its old :) |
| 17:46.42 | tomodachi | one of the older ones |
| 17:46.50 | Bushmills | mostly similar. a few unique aspects |
| 17:46.58 | jelly-home | _stefanos_: is stability and upgradeability a unique feature? |
| 17:47.04 | tomodachi | its also entierly free and seen as very stable |
| 17:47.26 | Bushmills | difference is more a matter of release scheduling, less of actual program availability |
| 17:47.27 | tomodachi | has a large community and userbase on the server side mostly |
| 17:47.46 | _stefanos_ | jelly-home, more than enough for me :D |
| 17:48.03 | _stefanos_ | since you mentioned it, how is the release cycle working in Debian? |
| 17:48.09 | MrFrood | vreg: if it's any help my xinitrc http://pastebin.com/WdSyZcfw which I use with dwm |
| 17:48.16 | Bushmills | differences are where installer or some administrative features are concerned |
| 17:48.20 | _stefanos_ | because i'm coming from Red Hat environment and I want to leave the Windows concept behind |
| 17:48.25 | bocaneri | I run debian stable knowing full well much of the software for it in the official repos are a version or three behind; I'm trading "bleeding edge" for "don't worry about it". |
| 17:48.40 | mAniAk-_- | _stefanos_: like the wind eroding on mount everest |
| 17:48.41 | vreg | thanks, MrFrood |
| 17:49.21 | _stefanos_ | mAniAk-_-, simpler english? :D |
| 17:49.29 | mAniAk-_- | _stefanos_: slow |
| 17:50.09 | vreg | MrFrood, do i replace the feh --bg-scale line with xsetroot -solid black ? |
| 17:50.29 | _stefanos_ | slow, but steadier than other distros? |
| 17:50.41 | _stefanos_ | and people is friendlier isn't it? :D |
| 17:50.45 | _stefanos_ | it really means a lot to me |
| 17:50.51 | MrFrood | yes - xsetroot sets a background colour, feh an image |
| 17:51.26 | Bushmills | no, people are mean bitches |
| 17:51.51 | _stefanos_ | Bushmills, it's ok. as long as they help, that would do with me |
| 17:52.01 | _stefanos_ | and i know that you are joking ;) |
| 17:52.16 | vreg | wishes virtualbox would let you copy text from host to guest. |
| 17:52.25 | Bushmills | hehe, just wait and see for yourself |
| 17:52.54 | MrFrood | vreg: at the mo all you need is the #!/bin/sh line and your xsetroot line |
| 17:53.09 | jelly-home | oh, he's not necessarily joking, open sauce draws a bunch of people with various degrees of social maladjustment |
| 17:53.17 | vreg | should i get rid of these two lines, |
| 17:53.23 | vreg | # invoke global X session script |
| 17:53.29 | vreg | . /etc/X11/Xsession |
| 17:53.52 | vreg | or rather, should i comment that one out |
| 17:54.03 | vreg | what does the "." do? |
| 17:54.22 | MrFrood | vreg: do not edit that file |
| 17:54.24 | _stefanos_ | Bushmills, if you are talking about experienced Debian developers not taking any newbie-ish questions, yeah i would agree with them! |
| 17:54.30 | vreg | oh |
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| 17:54.47 | vreg | am i in the wrong xinitrc file? |
| 17:54.48 | MrFrood | vreg: make a .xinitrc in your home folder |
| 17:54.51 | vreg | oh |
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| 17:59.05 | vreg | do i need to type reboot to let the change take hold? |
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| 17:59.30 | _stefanos_ | Bushmills, until now i see people asking questions and not get shot :D |
| 17:59.47 | vreg | oh wait |
| 17:59.56 | vreg | forgot the #!/bin/sh line, one sec |
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| 18:02.04 | ScottG | To make an ISO of a CD can I just do `dd if=/dev/sr0 of=/path/to/file` ? |
| 18:02.29 | MrFrood | vreg: restart X (alt+shift+q to quit dwm) |
| 18:02.43 | vreg | thanks |
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| 18:03.02 | _stefanos_ | ScottG, you mean to burn it or to create one from scratch? |
| 18:03.06 | peterrooney | vreg: shouldn't need to reboot, just need to end X session and start new one |
| 18:03.34 | ScottG | _stefanos_: I mean create an ISO from a CD currently in my CD drive. |
| 18:04.35 | _stefanos_ | do you have Brasero installed? |
| 18:04.39 | vreg | that's weird, background is still that blinding pattern |
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| 18:04.56 | _stefanos_ | or are you using it without X installed? |
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| 18:05.26 | vreg | installed xorg |
| 18:05.27 | vreg | hmm |
| 18:05.42 | vreg | lemme see if i misplaced that xinitrc file |
| 18:06.33 | MrFrood | vreg: it should be /home/whaterveryouruseris/.xinitrc |
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| 18:07.38 | peterrooney | ,versions iceape |
| 18:07.39 | judd | iceape -- etch: 1.0.13~pre080614i-0etch1; etch-security: 1.0.13~pre080614i-0etch1; squeeze: 2.0.6-1; sid: 2.0.7-1 |
| 18:07.50 | vreg | could've sworn i saved the file there |
| 18:07.53 | vreg | lemme try again |
| 18:08.39 | MrFrood | vreg: you did not forget the dot did you? |
| 18:09.08 | vreg | oh |
| 18:09.09 | vreg | i did |
| 18:09.10 | vreg | forget |
| 18:09.24 | vreg | without the dot it gets deleted? |
| 18:09.35 | MrFrood | ignored |
| 18:10.52 | MrFrood | X is looking for .xinitrc not xinitrc |
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| 18:12.03 | vreg | it won't let me back into dwm when i type startx |
| 18:12.26 | MrFrood | what happens? |
| 18:12.39 | jelly-home | ScottG: that's pretty much it for a typical data disk |
| 18:12.52 | vreg | hostname: unknown host |
| 18:13.10 | Bushmills | you might want to run xterm or rxvt or similar initially, and start dwm or another window manager from its command line |
| 18:13.12 | vreg | xauth: (argv):1: bad display name ... in "list" command |
| 18:13.29 | Bushmills | i.e. startx /usr/bin/xterm |
| 18:13.37 | vreg | and for (stdin) ... "add" command |
| 18:13.54 | MrFrood | vreg: try startx dwm |
| 18:13.54 | vreg | Bushmills, that one opens it |
| 18:14.06 | vreg | will try that too MrFrood |
| 18:14.08 | Bushmills | from there, run dwm |
| 18:15.02 | Bushmills | terminating dwm will simply make the xterm the process which keeps X alive |
| 18:15.42 | Bushmills | you could install and run a different window manager from there, if you like. like icewm or fvwm or openbox |
| 18:16.03 | Bushmills | fluxbox, i meant |
| 18:16.52 | vreg | startx dwm tries to get into dwm but errors out |
| 18:17.11 | Bushmills | needs full path |
| 18:17.29 | Bushmills | startx $(which dwm) |
| 18:17.42 | MrFrood | startx /usr/bin/dwm |
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| 18:18.06 | vreg | that one gets into dwm |
| 18:18.11 | vreg | (with the blinding background) |
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| 18:19.00 | Bushmills | well, you got the base now to do some experimentation on your own |
| 18:19.02 | MrFrood | he needs to set dwm as the default window manager in the alternatives system but I can't remeber how from the command line |
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| 18:19.20 | vreg | when i do an ls -a in ~, |
| 18:19.44 | vreg | should xinitrc have a dot in front of it like .profile and .aptitude? |
| 18:19.52 | vreg | i remember saving it with a dot in nano |
| 18:20.03 | vreg | but it doesn't show up with the dot preceding it in ls -a |
| 18:20.07 | MrFrood | vreg edit your .xinitrc and add the line |
| 18:20.22 | MrFrood | /usr/bin/dwm & |
| 18:20.29 | MrFrood | to the end |
| 18:20.41 | _d9 | hey, I want to create a alias for updating. alias sysupdate='sudo aptitude update >>/var/log/sysupdate-apt.log && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade -y >>/var/log/sysupdate-apt.log && sudo aptitude clean >>/var/log/sysupdate-apt.log' |
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| 18:20.46 | MrFrood | and then try startx |
| 18:20.55 | _d9 | is there a better way? |
| 18:21.43 | simonrvn | make a script |
| 18:21.54 | _d9 | can I group the redirection into the file? |
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| 18:25.10 | vreg | MrFrood, added the line (and this time made the file was saved with <dot>xinitrc), |
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| 18:25.19 | vreg | when i type startx it tries but can't get into dwm |
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| 18:25.54 | vreg | the file contains: |
| 18:25.58 | vreg | #!/bin/sh |
| 18:26.02 | vreg | xsetroot -solid black |
| 18:26.06 | vreg | /usr/bin/dwm & |
| 18:26.25 | MrFrood | vreg: put an |
| 18:26.32 | _d9 | is there a easier way guys? |
| 18:26.38 | phogg | _d9: write a script |
| 18:26.39 | MrFrood | vreg: & |
| 18:26.53 | phogg | _d9: better and easier |
| 18:27.00 | MrFrood | at the end of the xsetroot line |
| 18:27.01 | _d9 | phogg, how can I group the output? |
| 18:27.22 | phogg | _d9: I don't know what you mean by "group the output" |
| 18:27.24 | _d9 | I dont want to write >> xyz every time |
| 18:27.29 | simonrvn | what do you mean group? |
| 18:27.39 | simonrvn | ah |
| 18:27.43 | phogg | _d9: when you run your script put the redirection in at that time |
| 18:28.01 | phogg | _d9: inside your script let it write to stdout, but then run your_script >> /whatever |
| 18:28.17 | vreg | MrFrood, added the &, errors out |
| 18:28.25 | MrFrood | vreg: xsetroot -solid black & |
| 18:28.29 | vreg | yep |
| 18:28.30 | MrFrood | yes? |
| 18:28.32 | phogg | _d9: if that bothers you write two scripts: one to perform the actions, the other to call the first and add redirection. Then, in normal operation, just call the second one |
| 18:28.37 | vreg | yes |
| 18:28.43 | MrFrood | whats the error |
| 18:29.05 | phogg | whatever you do please do not abuse aliases |
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| 18:29.28 | MrFrood | vreg: pastebin if it's long |
| 18:29.28 | vreg | MrFrood, i'll upload i a screenshot because virtualbox won't let me copy guest to host |
| 18:29.30 | vreg | one sec |
| 18:29.40 | _d9 | phogg, okay |
| 18:29.56 | vreg | unless, is there a way to get virtualbox to share the clipboard? |
| 18:31.10 | jelly-home | vreg: there is, when guest additions are installed in the guest |
| 18:31.46 | vreg | hmm |
| 18:31.55 | vreg | guest additions are installed |
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| 18:32.25 | tomodachi | you dont feel nauseaous using oraclesw? |
| 18:32.30 | vreg | but my cursor disappears when i'm in my debian window |
| 18:32.39 | _d9 | phogg, can I write you in query? Can you have a look on the script? |
| 18:33.34 | simonrvn | MrFrood: you don't bg the wm, otherwise x exits |
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| 18:33.59 | simonrvn | you bg the other stuff if it doesn't let go of the parent tty. |
| 18:34.15 | MrFrood | good point |
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| 18:34.37 | MrFrood | vreg romove the & from the dwm line |
| 18:34.41 | simonrvn | and the wm (or session manager) is always last |
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| 18:35.03 | vreg | should i keep the & on the xsetroot line? |
| 18:35.08 | MrFrood | yes |
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| 18:35.26 | simonrvn | when in doubt, otherwise yes |
| 18:35.41 | simonrvn | s,otherwise,, |
| 18:35.50 | vreg | \o/ |
| 18:35.57 | vreg | blinding background gone |
| 18:36.06 | vreg | i owe you guys a cold beverage of your choice |
| 18:36.07 | MrFrood | Yay |
| 18:36.19 | simonrvn | juice or pop |
| 18:36.32 | Olof_szary | Hello, I have problem with apache2. First, when having set USER=${APACHE_RUN_USER} it returns "bad user name". When changing to static www-data, apache still runs as root. How to fix it? |
| 18:36.36 | MrFrood | vreg: the other keyboard command you need to know is alt+p |
| 18:36.45 | simonrvn | MrFrood first, he did most of the work |
| 18:37.15 | vreg | ah |
| 18:37.24 | vreg | alt+p brings up a list of commands? |
| 18:37.56 | MrFrood | vreg: if you get stuck with dwm I'm subscribed to the dwm thread at http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=53313 |
| 18:38.01 | _d9 | phogg, I want to perform this in one script but I dont want to write on every line stout |
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| 18:38.20 | MrFrood | alt+p brings up dmenu |
| 18:38.32 | vreg | can i tell dwm not to make the screen so big that i have to scroll? |
| 18:39.06 | MrFrood | screen size is set by X |
| 18:39.30 | phogg | _d9: ( echo foo && echo bar ) > output |
| 18:39.52 | vreg | should i hunt for an X config file? |
| 18:40.27 | MrFrood | /etc/X11/xorg.conf but it's not there by default |
| 18:41.43 | vreg | is reading http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/x-config.html |
| 18:41.52 | MrFrood | I really need to go and cook can someone talk vreg through setting the screen resolution |
| 18:44.21 | _d9 | phogg, okay thanks |
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| 18:45.34 | _d9 | (aptitude update |
| 18:45.50 | _d9 | aptitude safe-upgrade -y ) >>/log , can this work? |
| 18:46.02 | _d9 | or must I use && |
| 18:46.40 | nsadmin | vreg: maybe that will help and maybe not. if it's not x.org manual of a close version, it will not help |
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| 18:47.59 | vreg | oh |
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| 18:49.27 | nsadmin | what you're being told may seem unusual: normally the x config file does not exist |
| 18:50.02 | nsadmin | it's because for the most part, everything is autodetected |
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| 18:50.55 | nsadmin | however you can have X generate a config file out of what it autodetects by running X -configure |
| 18:51.12 | nsadmin | it will drop the config file in $HOME |
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| 18:53.21 | vreg | the xorg.conf in /etc/X11 says |
| 18:53.26 | vreg | Section "Monitor" |
| 18:53.35 | vreg | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:53.52 | vreg | i'll run X -configure like you said |
| 18:54.26 | nsadmin | it sounds like one was generated at some point... what's the date on the file? |
| 18:54.51 | vreg | how do you get it to tell you the date? |
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| 18:55.14 | nsadmin | ls -l /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 18:55.53 | vreg | date given is today 13:35 |
| 18:56.05 | _d9 | phogg, thanks for your help, I finished the script :) |
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| 18:56.47 | vreg | a bit over an hour ago |
| 18:56.52 | b0nghitter | how do i stop a package from being held back? |
| 18:56.54 | nsadmin | does that make sense to you? |
| 18:57.19 | nsadmin | b0nghitter first find out why it's being held |
| 18:57.23 | vreg | not sure, it seems about the time i installed X |
| 18:57.53 | nsadmin | so it did generate a config file at that time |
| 18:58.42 | vreg | is it weird that it's making the X window thing too big for the screen? |
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| 18:59.34 | nsadmin | it tried to get the monitor to tell it its timing values |
| 19:00.30 | nsadmin | what happens if you backup the config file and remove the original, then start X again |
| 19:01.08 | vreg | how do i backup the config file? |
| 19:01.20 | nsadmin | copy it somewhere :) |
| 19:01.34 | nsadmin | or just move the file |
| 19:01.58 | vreg | is it "cp .xinitrc backup.xinitrc"? |
| 19:02.06 | nsadmin | mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf $HOME/xorg.conf-current |
| 19:02.10 | nsadmin | not xinitrc |
| 19:02.40 | vreg | sorry, brain glitch |
| 19:03.00 | nsadmin | xinitrc is client-side |
| 19:03.29 | vreg | file moved |
| 19:03.35 | vreg | typing startx |
| 19:03.54 | nsadmin | same thing? |
| 19:04.16 | vreg | "waiting for X server to begin accepting connections" followed by "giving up" |
| 19:04.43 | vreg | should i do the X -configure? |
| 19:04.59 | nsadmin | first... |
| 19:05.07 | nsadmin | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 19:05.26 | vreg | 5.0.6 |
| 19:06.13 | nsadmin | instead of startx, try X (to get out of a successful X start, ctrl-alt-backspace) |
| 19:06.52 | vreg | Fatal server error: |
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| 19:07.07 | vreg | Cannot run in framebuffer mode. |
| 19:07.24 | vreg | Please specify busIDS for all framebuffer devices |
| 19:08.15 | vreg | err, busIDs |
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| 19:11.14 | nsadmin | hmm. this is beyond my experience, but to summarize, I think you have a frame buffer module loaded, and it's the settings of it that's causing the sizing problem. get someone to help you find out what your situation with the frame buffer is; I'd say if it's present, remove it and try X again but again I'm not quite sure what's actually going on |
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| 19:14.08 | nsadmin | for the moment, you can copy the config file back into place... I would try X -configure and see what the differences between the two files are |
| 19:14.11 | jelly-home | also, with virtualized hardware its nice to RTFM to find out the optimal way of using it |
| 19:14.39 | nsadmin | is that what's going on here? |
| 19:14.41 | jelly-home | s/virtualized/virtual/ |
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| 19:15.41 | vreg | nsadmin, my debian is running in a virtualbox VM |
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| 19:16.24 | nsadmin | what's the host OS? |
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| 19:16.39 | vreg | windows 7 |
| 19:17.06 | jelly-home | vreg: let me reiterate: read the vbox manual. |
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| 19:19.32 | jelly-home | (it's going to tell you to install the guest additions, and AFAIR show how to make the vbox client xorg driver use a custom framebuffer resolution) |
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| 19:19.48 | jelly-home | there's also a #vbox channel |
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| 19:21.58 | vreg | installed the guest addtions a few days ago |
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| 19:22.20 | vreg | although... |
| 19:22.33 | vreg | install them again? |
| 19:22.44 | vreg | now that X has been installed |
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| 19:23.09 | vreg | goes to try... |
| 19:23.59 | vreg | mounting the additions iso |
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| 19:24.58 | jelly-home | vreg: if they're already there, make sure xorg is using vboxvideo driver |
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| 19:29.10 | sussudio | harddisk possibly not dead... may have been something overheating in that dust-clogged case. |
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| 19:31.40 | vreg | startx errors out now |
| 19:31.47 | vreg | it tries to change the resolution |
| 19:32.06 | vreg | how do make sure xorg is using the vboxvideo driver? |
| 19:32.34 | sussudio | it says what driver it's using when it starts up, doesn't it. |
| 19:32.55 | simonrvn | make an xorg.conf |
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| 19:33.36 | vreg | Driver "vboxvideo" |
| 19:34.07 | vreg | now dwm loads in nice res |
| 19:34.10 | vreg | but weird |
| 19:34.28 | vreg | i mean, all i did was look at xorg.conf with nano |
| 19:34.32 | vreg | btw, do you use nano? |
| 19:34.40 | vreg | to edit files |
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| 19:35.44 | vreg | i think i'm going to like dwm |
| 19:36.04 | vreg | thanks everyone for the help :) |
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| 19:38.16 | Delf | What packades do I need and what do I write in terminal as root to be able to install source packages? |
| 19:39.15 | sdschulze | You don't need to be root. |
| 19:39.17 | sussudio | !tell Delf about source |
| 19:39.25 | Delf | I'm root already. |
| 19:39.53 | Delf | Not those kind of packages. |
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| 19:40.11 | sussudio | Delf: build-essential? |
| 19:40.12 | sdschulze | It's a good practice to become root only when you need it. |
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| 19:40.31 | Delf | sussudio: Yes! Thats it :D |
| 19:40.41 | Delf | Thanks |
| 19:40.48 | sdschulze | apt-get build-dep |
| 19:40.52 | sdschulze | helps you, too |
| 19:41.17 | sdschulze | "apt-get build-dep emacs23" installs you everything you need in order to build emacs23. |
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| 19:42.11 | Delf | What do I do for a .tar.gz that I've downloaded? |
| 19:42.22 | sussudio | "do"? |
| 19:42.37 | sdschulze | containing what? |
| 19:42.47 | Delf | That isn't in "sources.list" |
| 19:42.50 | macrobat | source code? |
| 19:42.57 | sdschulze | More concretely: What program do you want to install? |
| 19:42.58 | Delf | Yes, source code |
| 19:43.00 | sussudio | tar zxvf something.tar.gz ? |
| 19:43.08 | Delf | tinc 1.0.13 |
| 19:43.30 | sdschulze | You don't need to do that from source. |
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| 19:43.45 | macrobat | Delf: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=38976 |
| 19:43.50 | Delf | I don't want a lower version. |
| 19:44.03 | sdschulze | 1.0.13 is in squeeze. |
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| 19:44.42 | sdschulze | possibly in backports (checking) |
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| 19:45.13 | sdschulze | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=tinc&searchon=names§ion=all&suite=lenny-backports |
| 19:45.16 | sdschulze | There you go. |
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| 19:46.22 | Delf | I see! So it's enough with "aptitude -t lenny-backports install tinc" ? |
| 19:46.39 | sdschulze | if you have lenny-backports in your sources.list... |
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| 19:48.16 | Delf | Ok, I have version 1.0.8 and it keeps telling me that I have newest version :( |
| 19:48.30 | sdschulze | what does "apt-cache policy tinc" say? |
| 19:48.39 | sdschulze | Does it mention 1.0.14? |
| 19:48.43 | sdschulze | *1.0.13 |
| 19:48.51 | Delf | No, it does not.' |
| 19:49.01 | sdschulze | done apt-get update? |
| 19:49.04 | LinuxGuy2009 | Does the popularity contest determine what package files are placed on what repo CD/DVD discs? |
| 19:49.21 | Delf | Yepp |
| 19:49.23 | Delf | I just did |
| 19:49.26 | nsadmin | if he's running lenny+, probably aptitude update |
| 19:49.36 | LinuxGuy2009 | Most popular stuff will be on the first few DVDs for example? |
| 19:49.40 | sdschulze | nsadmin: What's the difference? |
| 19:49.54 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:50.00 | Delf | I think I know what the problem is. |
| 19:50.15 | sdschulze | Delf: Paste your sources.list somewhere. |
| 19:50.20 | nsadmin | apt-get was originally meant as a test of the apt libs |
| 19:50.36 | Delf | "deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports lenny-backports main" is not in sources.list, its in sources.list.d |
| 19:50.57 | nsadmin | we kidnapped the maint until he made it available to us :) |
| 19:51.18 | sdschulze | nsadmin: Sure, I use aptitude all the time, but I see the difference for "update". |
| 19:51.29 | sdschulze | (except that it might be slower) |
| 19:51.38 | Delf | Now, things are happening @ aptitude update |
| 19:52.26 | nsadmin | perhaps when you aptitude update, aptitude also updates some other data structures |
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| 19:52.39 | wireddd | so where is xorg.conf now? |
| 19:52.51 | Delf | I used both aptitude and apt-get |
| 19:53.42 | micols | anyone used PAE on a 32bit cpu to use >4GB mem ? , is it enabled in debian kernels by default? |
| 19:54.02 | sussudio | !bigmem |
| 19:54.03 | dpkg | For i386, -bigmem linux-images support up to 64 GB of RAM. If you have more than about 3.4 GB of RAM, install and use this to see everything past the sub ~3.4 GB limit (but with additional CPU overhead). Alternatively, if you have an <amd64> processor, use an amd64 kernel which doesn't need bigmem. |
| 19:54.21 | sdschulze | Delf: Download http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports/pool/main/t/tinc/tinc_1.0.13-1~bpo50_i386.deb |
| 19:54.28 | sdschulze | and do a dpkg -i |
| 19:54.33 | mjmt | micols: I'm using it for 4GB, you need the -bigmem kernel. |
| 19:54.40 | mjmt | Oops sorry. |
| 19:56.32 | sdschulze | recalls the good old times when apt was innovative... |
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| 19:57.17 | Delf | Thanks everyone! |
| 19:57.30 | sdschulze | it works? |
| 19:57.36 | Delf | Yepp :D |
| 19:57.50 | Delf | Omg.. Now I've got another question :p |
| 19:58.05 | sdschulze | namely? |
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| 19:58.58 | Delf | How to run start-up scripts? I want to create and and enslave a nic |
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| 19:59.11 | Delf | Create a bridge* |
| 19:59.19 | Delf | I've downloaded bridge-utils |
| 19:59.53 | sdschulze | I think bridges should be set up in /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 20:00.12 | Delf | Ok, I'll have a look there soon |
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| 20:00.44 | sdschulze | http://affix.sourceforge.net/affix-newdoc/Affix-enduser/x199.html |
| 20:01.27 | sdschulze | or scripts in /etc/network/if-*.d |
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| 20:03.29 | sdschulze | (Just BTW, it's always preferably to compile a ready-made Debian source package if available. The reason is that it satisfies all dependencies for you, and ideally, all builds of the package will be have equally.) |
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| 20:04.52 | sdschulze | (If you compile the vanilla source package, it's a different issue. Vanilla releases have the goal of being portable, i.e. run on many platforms and under many different conditions, with a lot of configuration options.) |
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| 20:07.59 | sdschulze | (If you, by accident, build the vanilla source on two systems with different build environments, the result of the build may also differ. This is why you usually shouldn't compile glibc completely on your own, i.e. without using the Debian source package.) |
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| 20:13.27 | DDRP | I've created four pbuilder boxes... all running Lenny of archs: i386, sparc, powerpc and amd64 >B) |
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| 20:14.45 | Jeeves_Moss | what version of VMWare do I install on top of a CLI only server? I need to run Cisco call manager and a copy of W2K3 ontop of a working/stable Ubuntu install |
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| 20:15.44 | qq- | ask #vmware |
| 20:15.55 | sdschulze | I fail to see how this question is Debian-related. |
| 20:15.58 | Jeeves_Moss | qq-, I am, they're not being much help |
| 20:16.28 | qq- | !vmware |
| 20:16.28 | dpkg | VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported, ask me about <vmware support>. VMware is not in Debian because it is not Free software; even though you might be able to download it for no cost, the source code is not available for some parts and Debian is not allowed to distribute it, see <dfsg>. http://wiki.debian.org/VMware . See also <virtualization>. #vmware on irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:16.54 | mAniAk-_- | Jeeves_Moss: vmware server |
| 20:17.04 | Jeeves_Moss | qq-, thanks. I see you've mastered how to push a button. I guess next week we'll teach ou how to use a pen |
| 20:17.37 | mAniAk-_- | you use a webinterface to configure it |
| 20:17.39 | qq- | Jeeves_Moss, go troll else |
| 20:17.49 | e-dub | newsense why you kicking me out of channelos |
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| 20:18.43 | e-dub | newsense |
| 20:18.50 | mAniAk-_- | because h can? |
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| 20:19.07 | e-dub | hes my brother |
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| 20:21.14 | DDRP | e-dub: Built-in anti troll support? |
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| 20:22.08 | sdschulze | Am I mistaken or was #debian more crowded years ago? |
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| 20:23.53 | peterrooney | sdschulze: you are mistaken. however, people coming in with non-debian questions has increased too. |
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| 20:26.27 | sdschulze | In fact, Google labs shows decreasing charts for Debian, about since the time Ubuntu has come up. |
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| 20:28.10 | wam | Hi, this is slightly ot, but here are the ones who know this: I'm looking for a device with a low-voltage processor and at least 2 ethernet ports which has a good debian install routine. It is meant to be a brouter. I'd use my nslug, but it has only 1 interface. Ah - it should run kernel 2.6 and it should be cheap. Any hints? ;) |
| 20:29.07 | sdschulze | What about buying a USB NIC? |
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| 20:30.18 | xiaclo | wam i guess that would depend on what 'cheap' is |
| 20:30.30 | wam | 200$ |
| 20:30.50 | wam | sdschulze: can I install debian on such a thing? |
| 20:31.06 | wam | sdschulze: that'd be perfect if that works ;) |
| 20:31.35 | sdschulze | wam: no idea about nslug -- I have a Dockstar |
| 20:31.47 | sdschulze | running Debian squeeze |
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| 20:32.14 | wam | sdschulze: ah - you mean for the slug... should work. |
| 20:32.15 | sdschulze | In fact, I'm typing out of a screen session on that device. |
| 20:32.19 | wam | ;) |
| 20:32.48 | sdschulze | and it's 20 EUR |
| 20:33.08 | valdyn | wam: google sheevaplug, theres also a version with 2 nics |
| 20:33.30 | sdschulze | Sheevaplug and Dockstar are actually very similar. |
| 20:33.41 | bzed | wam: just don't get a guruplug. |
| 20:33.56 | petemc | i know some people that found the guruplugs to have lots of problems |
| 20:33.57 | wam | valdyn: wooohooo ;) |
| 20:33.58 | valdyn | wam: however, for 200 you can also build an atom computer whith alot more power |
| 20:34.06 | bzed | wam: and probably also don't get a sheevaplug, they have similar issues, just takes much longer until they kill themselves... |
| 20:34.17 | bzed | wam: I'd get a nice atom machine for $200 |
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| 20:34.25 | sdschulze | bzed: kill themselves?!? |
| 20:34.27 | petemc | get a device that you can install openwrt on and chroot debian on that |
| 20:34.41 | bzed | sdschulze: yeah. too much heat over a long time.... |
| 20:34.45 | wam | it's meant for vpn connectivity |
| 20:34.55 | bzed | petemc: why the hell not install debian directly? |
| 20:34.56 | valdyn | wam: atom would be ~40W power draw i suppose, sheevaplug i have no idea about, i bet less than 10 |
| 20:35.00 | wam | so a small device below desktop would be nice |
| 20:35.06 | petemc | bzed: because you most often cant |
| 20:35.11 | sdschulze | bzed: I don't have the impression my Dockstar gets that hot. |
| 20:35.30 | bzed | sdschulze: the dockstar is probably a proper thermal design :) |
| 20:35.51 | sdschulze | valdyn: not 40W |
| 20:35.55 | bzed | wam: which network speed to you want to feed into your vpn? |
| 20:35.57 | valdyn | sdschulze: yes 40W |
| 20:36.00 | wam | ~10MBit |
| 20:36.08 | bzed | valdyn: definitely not if you get a small one |
| 20:36.14 | wam | more like 1MBit practically |
| 20:36.23 | wam | 10 would be ok as peak load |
| 20:36.34 | bzed | wam: 1mbit is something better wifi routers are able to handle |
| 20:36.45 | sdschulze | valdyn: Even my VIA C7 only draws 45W including two HDDs under full load. |
| 20:36.45 | bzed | wam: I'd just get something which is supported by openwrt |
| 20:37.03 | sdschulze | valdyn: Atom is supposed to draw much less. |
| 20:37.07 | wam | bzed: does openwrt do ebtables, iptables and nat? |
| 20:37.12 | valdyn | sdschulze: harddisks are 1W when they are not just spinning up |
| 20:37.22 | bzed | wam: yeah. its a full blown linux :) |
| 20:37.33 | sdschulze | valdyn: with running HDDs, I mean |
| 20:37.34 | wam | bzed: k, then any wrt router would run that. I'd not even need debian... |
| 20:37.36 | valdyn | sdschulze: and the atom doesnt draw much, its the other stuff he might have |
| 20:37.36 | wam | shit |
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| 20:37.56 | xiaclo | wam couldn't remember the name for the life of me ... http://www.soekris.com/ ... pretty router boards, probably going closer to $200 than i would like though |
| 20:37.56 | bzed | wam: encrypting the vpn traffic eats some CPU |
| 20:37.58 | wam | i was hoping that i could use shorewall ;) |
| 20:38.06 | bzed | wam: so you might want to get not the smallest one :) |
| 20:38.08 | valdyn | sdschulze: atom itself is 10W iirc |
| 20:38.21 | sdschulze | valdyn: That's more realistic. |
| 20:38.25 | bzed | wam: soekris boards are nice, too. with the amd goede cpu |
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| 20:38.31 | sdschulze | valdyn: So whay about the remaining 30W? |
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| 20:38.38 | valdyn | sdschulze: add an ion chipset and hes above 60 |
| 20:38.50 | valdyn | sdschulze: chipset, psu waste etc |
| 20:38.52 | bzed | valdyn: why the hell would you add an ion chipset to a router? |
| 20:39.04 | sdschulze | :) |
| 20:39.05 | valdyn | bzed: i wouldnt |
| 20:39.10 | bzed | valdyn: there are very efficient micro psus for the small boards |
| 20:39.19 | valdyn | bzed: i know |
| 20:40.18 | sdschulze | http://www.tranquilpc-shop.co.uk/acatalog/T7-D_PC_SYSTEMS.html, just to name one |
| 20:40.37 | valdyn | im sure he can easily get below 40, but its a useful upper boundary |
| 20:40.55 | valdyn | below 20 however im not sure if thats even possible with atom |
| 20:41.06 | sdschulze | They claim 15W. |
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| 20:41.18 | sdschulze | My Dockstar has a 12W PSU. :) |
| 20:41.18 | valdyn | sdschulze: for the cpu |
| 20:41.37 | sdschulze | valdyn: for everything except of the HDDs |
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| 20:42.10 | sdschulze | That's a number from advertising, of course. |
| 20:42.20 | valdyn | yea |
| 20:42.21 | sdschulze | probably under ideal conditions |
| 20:42.36 | sdschulze | but certainly less than 40W |
| 20:42.38 | valdyn | probably what it draws from the psu, not what the psu draws |
| 20:42.57 | sdschulze | Proper PSUs are >80%. |
| 20:43.06 | valdyn | probably |
| 20:43.07 | bzed | did anybody try to plug a G1 on top of the dockstar instead of a hdd? |
| 20:44.14 | sdschulze | valdyn: Don't be *that* pessimistic. I can get the predecessor of that machine (with a VIA C7) down to 27W. |
| 20:44.29 | valdyn | sdschulze: ehe, alright |
| 20:44.36 | sdschulze | with processor idle and no HDDs |
| 20:44.38 | valdyn | i cant see what my atom server actually uses |
| 20:44.57 | sdschulze | and the C7 has 35W TDP |
| 20:45.03 | sdschulze | or something like that |
| 20:45.10 | sdschulze | while the Atom has 15W |
| 20:45.39 | sdschulze | certainly an overkill for the desired task, though |
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| 20:46.56 | sdschulze | wam: Back to the original question, I'd just buy a Dockstar and a USB NIC. |
| 20:47.04 | sdschulze | That's probably the cheapest solution. |
| 20:47.17 | wam | sdschulze: but a dockstar is built for ipods or something like it, right? |
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| 20:47.26 | Mr_Queue | Is there an issue going on with debian-user lists? I haven't received a mail since the 9th. |
| 20:47.26 | sdschulze | ?! |
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| 20:47.49 | wam | sdschulze: http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=dockstar&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=10561850481304471025&ei=6-qLTMFBzpk41_Csigs&sa=X&oi=product_catalog_result&ct=image&resnum=3&ved=0CCMQ8gIwAg# |
| 20:47.53 | wam | that's what i found |
| 20:48.05 | sdschulze | wam: No, it's intended to be combined with some sort of DynDNS service, usually. |
| 20:48.12 | wam | ah ;) |
| 20:48.43 | sdschulze | wam: so you can make your photos accessible online without computer knowledge... |
| 20:48.54 | wam | ok, so i plug a hdd on that port? |
| 20:49.02 | sdschulze | That's why the product descriptions are a bit confusing. |
| 20:49.15 | sdschulze | That's the idea, yes. |
| 20:49.37 | sdschulze | Then you do this: |
| 20:49.39 | sdschulze | http://jeff.doozan.com/debian/ |
| 20:49.48 | wam | ok, looks cool, but impossible. I can't send that to windubs users. They'll be unable to assemble it. |
| 20:49.51 | valdyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:49.56 | valdyn | ops |
| 20:49.58 | valdyn | sorry |
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| 20:50.16 | Gwar | Hey Guys! Please do your bit for the Internet and vote for General Raam! http://www.gamespot.com/greatest-video-game-villain/vote/battle-hub/index.html?battle_id=60 |
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| 20:50.41 | wam | thanks anyone for the great input. I'm sure I'll find something |
| 20:51.02 | sdschulze | wam: Technically, it should even be possible to install debian inside the flash. |
| 20:51.11 | sdschulze | without a HDD |
| 20:51.43 | sdschulze | But that hasn't been tested so far AFAIK. |
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| 20:52.35 | sdschulze | http://forum.doozan.com/read.php?2,72 |
| 20:53.51 | sdschulze | The HDD way is more robust, though. |
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| 21:02.38 | hell_razer | i have install debian without any staf and now /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locale is not installed - i can find in waht pkg these tool? |
| 21:04.03 | sdschulze | hell_razer: Can you paste the complete command line and the error message somewhere? |
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| 21:04.34 | hell_razer | http://paste.enzotools.org/show/1196/ |
| 21:04.42 | hell_razer | maby apt-get isntall locale? |
| 21:04.46 | qq- | locales |
| 21:05.07 | hell_razer | lol) |
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| 21:05.38 | peterrooney | hell_razer: "aptitude install locales" , for now. in general, "aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search <some-file>" can tell you which package has a file that is expected. |
| 21:05.55 | sdschulze | BTW: Consider using sudo. |
| 21:06.02 | hell_razer | will now google it... thnx |
| 21:06.06 | peterrooney | basically, apt-file lets you look in packages that are not installed. |
| 21:07.20 | sdschulze | (Consistent use of sudo is one of the few helpful concepts Ubuntu introduced, IMHO...) |
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| 21:08.31 | qq- | !sudo |
| 21:08.31 | dpkg | [sudo] (Substitute User DO) Not enabled by default on Debian systems; configure /etc/sudoers first, ask me about <visudo>, <sudoers>. sudo can give limited super user privileges to specific users, or allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program". http://wiki.debian.org/sudo http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
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| 21:11.56 | foetus | no luck with proftpd - made a selfcompiled tiny-package(!) of proftpd linked against libcap2 to prevent this nasty 'proftpd uses 32bit capabilities' error - the error is gone (as described in the proftpd forum) but the server is being unable to create full working sockets! i must kill each socket by hand! so - whats going wrong? |
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| 21:12.57 | foetus | (using ssl with tls authentication) |
| 21:13.09 | valdyn | foetus: why would this be a "nasty" error? |
| 21:14.15 | foetus | valdyn: but you understand my question? |
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| 21:14.34 | valdyn | foetus: yes |
| 21:14.40 | foetus | valdyn: ok. |
| 21:15.01 | valdyn | foetus: i know the warning too, but i dont know that its a "nasty" error |
| 21:16.16 | foetus | valdyn: lets call it a ugly one :-/ |
| 21:16.35 | valdyn | foetus: except that it isnt an error |
| 21:17.07 | foetus | valdyn: ? |
| 21:17.24 | valdyn | 'proftpd uses 32bit capabilities' is a warning, not an error |
| 21:17.51 | foetus | valdyn: right. and what does it mean? |
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| 21:19.11 | valdyn | foetus: i dont know what it means exactly, but i know that its only a warning and not an error. Feel free to google this |
| 21:19.29 | sdschulze | foetus: using lenny? |
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| 21:20.05 | valdyn | foetus: my first hit was this bug report "http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=474639" |
| 21:20.12 | valdyn | foetus: about ntpd, but the same issue |
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| 21:20.42 | foetus | sdschulze: yes, since the last upgrade (5.0.6) the problem occurs. |
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| 21:20.50 | sdschulze | "To remove the above warning, you will need to update/install the newer libcap2 package on your system, and re-build proftpd (using version 1.3.2rc1 or later) in order to compile and link against the newer libcap library." |
| 21:20.56 | sdschulze | Lenny has 1.3.1. |
| 21:21.02 | valdyn | but thats stupid |
| 21:21.12 | valdyn | rebuilding to remove a hardmless warning |
| 21:21.55 | foetus | valdyn: ok, lets see -- my googling around brought me the suggestion from the proftpd forum, however.. |
| 21:22.07 | sdschulze | foetus: If you use the official package and just ignore the warning, does it work then? |
| 21:22.55 | foetus | sdschulze: no, as i described. |
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| 21:24.06 | sdschulze | foetus: sorry, don't find it any more -- without the package you compiled yourself, I mean |
| 21:24.34 | sdschulze | What's the error then? |
| 21:25.58 | foetus | sdschulze: then its gone -->i have linked against libpcap2. |
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| 21:26.27 | valdyn | foetus: we want to know which part of debians original proftpd does not work, ignoring the warning |
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| 21:27.07 | foetus | but i see, they have already found a solution.. its mine :) |
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| 21:28.03 | sdschulze | foetus: but it doesn't work anyway? |
| 21:28.25 | foetus | valdyn: but the warning is not the 'real ' problem - whats with the sockets? |
| 21:28.48 | valdyn | foetus: thats why i ask what the real problem with debians proftpd is, but you did not answer that yet |
| 21:28.55 | sdschulze | foetus: You got the problem with the sockets when you didn't get the warning, right? |
| 21:29.09 | sdschulze | official package: warning, but worked |
| 21:29.18 | sdschulze | your build: no warning, did not work |
| 21:29.23 | sdschulze | Is that correct? |
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| 21:30.01 | foetus | valdyn: seems to be that i could use the original now ignoring the warnings, but problem with sockets is the same.. |
| 21:30.16 | sdschulze | foetus: Could you answer my question? |
| 21:30.22 | valdyn | the original debian proftpd does not work ? |
| 21:30.30 | valdyn | foetus: youre confusing the hell out of us |
| 21:30.33 | Mr_Queue | Is there an issue going on with debian-user lists? I haven't received a mail since the 9th. |
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| 21:30.52 | petemc | Mr_Queue: check the archives for the list you're subscribed to |
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| 21:31.14 | valdyn | ive seen plenty people here using debians proftpd successfully anyway. |
| 21:31.19 | foetus | valdyn, sdschulze: no. same problem with the original package. |
| 21:31.41 | sdschulze | foetus: Did you do a purge, reinstall cycle? |
| 21:31.46 | valdyn | foetus: give us the log file with the errors |
| 21:32.08 | sdschulze | Maybe your package left mess... |
| 21:32.29 | valdyn | problems with socket creation probably dont involve libpcap at all anyway |
| 21:32.52 | valdyn | but we didnt see logs with this issue so far.. |
| 21:33.28 | valdyn | foetus: how do you "kill" a socket by hand? that makes no sense, its not possible |
| 21:33.29 | sdschulze | Does proftpd run stand-alone or from inetd? |
| 21:34.21 | foetus | no correct working with sockets with libpcap1 or libpcap2. it was been a correct install with 5.0.5 and few days later i've been upgraded to 5.0.6. the problem occurs since the version change of lenny. |
| 21:34.54 | peterrooney | sdschulze: that's YOUR call - dpkg-reconfigure -phigh proftpd |
| 21:35.03 | sdschulze | Did it change any configuration files? |
| 21:35.24 | sdschulze | peterrooney: ? |
| 21:35.49 | foetus | valdyn: sigkill. |
| 21:35.58 | peterrooney | sdschulze: you should probably run "dpkg-reconfigure debconf" |
| 21:36.29 | peterrooney | depending on what your priority is set to, you may not be asked some questions during installation. IIRC, the default for proftpd is standalone |
| 21:36.38 | sdschulze | peterrooney: I don't have proftpd installed, so it wouldn't do anything. |
| 21:36.51 | peterrooney | what questions you are asked is controlled by debdonf priority |
| 21:37.00 | valdyn | foetus: sigkill works on processes, but not on sockets |
| 21:37.04 | sdschulze | I know... |
| 21:37.05 | foetus | sdschulze: sorry - standalone (standard). |
| 21:37.16 | valdyn | foetus: just give us the logs, dont confuse us |
| 21:37.35 | foetus | :'( |
| 21:38.28 | foetus | **must change the keyboard |
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| 21:39.04 | foetus | **and trink something |
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| 21:43.58 | norbert_ | question: I tried to statically link the game wesnoth, but it exits with error: /usr/bin/ld: attempted static link of dynamic object `/usr/lib/libpangocairo-1.0.so' |
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| 21:44.31 | norbert_ | any ideas on how I can get it to work? |
| 21:44.33 | foetus | i - still cannot found any error in the logs! |
| 21:44.43 | foetus | **insane |
| 21:45.04 | chops1 | Everyone will be happy to know that I am now upgrading the more-or-less main intranet server at my work from etch, to lenny, to squeeze. |
| 21:45.04 | sdschulze | foetus: Con you invoke it from command line? |
| 21:45.37 | foetus | sdschulze: i hope.. |
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| 21:46.47 | sdschulze | norbert_: You can't link statically against a .so file. |
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| 21:47.02 | norbert_ | sdschulze: yeah, but what to do next...? |
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| 21:47.12 | sdschulze | norbert_: watch the warnings? |
| 21:47.32 | foetus | sdschulze: no problem, no error.. however |
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| 21:48.04 | foetus | sdschulze: like the logfile, the same - all ok. |
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| 21:49.00 | norbert_ | sdschulze: there are no warnings; I'm guessing I'll have to download the sources for these libraries and prepare them differently? |
| 21:49.19 | sdschulze | norbert_: might be |
| 21:49.42 | foetus | sdschulze: the problem occurs by connecting from the client, handshake ok.. and than comes the list (normally), and than.. it hangs |
| 21:49.45 | sdschulze | If wesnoth uses dlopen, though, you're doomed. |
| 21:51.30 | foetus | sdschulze: if i close the client, close proftpd server, the sockets are already present and shown with ps -A |
| 21:52.16 | foetus | sdschulze: with the session of the users client. |
| 21:52.54 | sdschulze | I think you're confused about the term "socket". |
| 21:53.07 | sdschulze | "server process"? |
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| 21:55.45 | foetus | sdschulze: cmon. we're not at scool. the server process opens a socket.right? |
| 21:56.48 | sdschulze | I just had the impression that everyone was quite confusing about the expression "killing a socket". |
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| 21:57.42 | foetus | so - what should i do now? btw, the bug report of valdyn helps a little bit, but not very much :-D |
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| 21:58.06 | sdschulze | So, in other words, the sessions get stuck? |
| 21:58.52 | sdschulze | the servers, to be precise |
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| 21:59.32 | sdschulze | Do they respond to SIGTERM? |
| 22:01.56 | foetus | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:02.30 | foetus | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:03.09 | sdschulze | attach gdb, for curiousity? |
| 22:03.29 | sdschulze | What do they look like in ps -A? |
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| 22:04.49 | foetus | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:05.09 | sdschulze | and in ps -aux? |
| 22:05.15 | sdschulze | resp ps aux |
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| 22:06.29 | sdschulze | needns to sleep. |
| 22:06.41 | foetus | sorry, i cannot (and will not) reproduce all again. the problem is clearly described, imho. |
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| 22:07.27 | foetus | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:09.50 | simonrvn | 'curiosity' |
| 22:10.09 | foetus | in fact - proftpd does not work anymore on lenny 5.0.6 |
| 22:10.49 | kingsley | Which command reports the IP addresses that are currently used by devices attached to a private network? |
| 22:11.25 | cast | i think vsftpd is one of my favourite *d projects |
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| 22:12.27 | cast | kingsley: ifconfig? unless you mean beyond the current host...then there is none |
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| 22:13.17 | kingsley | cast: Yes, I'd like the IP addresses of all hosts on the local net. |
| 22:13.31 | chops1 | kingsley: nmap -sP can investigate what IP addresses are returning pings, which is close |
| 22:13.42 | cast | log in to the switches :) |
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| 22:16.28 | mAniAk-_- | kingsley: arp -a, shows some but not always all |
| 22:17.07 | kingsley | chops1: Thanks. That seemed to work. |
| 22:17.19 | chops1 | kingsley: np |
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| 22:41.38 | woodu | hi, how can I control a remote computer so that I see the output on the connected display of that remote computer? |
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| 22:43.36 | chops1 | woodu: You want to connect to a remote machine, and see its display on your machine, but also have it display on the remote machine? Is that correct? |
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| 22:44.49 | woodu | chops1: Yes, that is correct. |
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| 22:45.55 | chops1 | chops1: There's probably a standard way to do it with xorg, but if it were me I'd look at VNC |
| 22:46.20 | chops1 | woodu: Google is your friend :-) |
| 22:46.43 | woodu | I thought with vnc it is only possible to view the output on the remote machine |
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| 22:47.12 | woodu | because it is a new session which is not on the standard input |
| 22:47.43 | chops1 | woodu: The output of the remote machine is already on the remote machine -- you don't need VNC or anything else to make that happen :-) |
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| 22:50.14 | woodu | but that is what I want to manipulate remotely. If I start a vnc server I won't see anything on the standard output of the remote machine |
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| 22:55.27 | vlan7 | woodu, you should try a search on google like this: "remote desktop sharing" debian |
| 22:56.49 | vreg | can you list the packages installed and pipe it to a grep? |
| 22:56.50 | woodu | vlan7 ah thanks for the keyword |
| 22:56.52 | chops1 | woodu: "Standard input" and "standard output" refer to text streams, not graphical displays (which I'm assuming is what you're talking about) |
| 22:56.56 | bint | woodu are you sure? |
| 22:57.06 | vreg | i'd like to see if i have firefox installed |
| 22:57.10 | vlan7 | If you choose VNC you need to configure the vnc server, the vnc client and either one of the routers |
| 22:57.13 | bint | i installed x11vnc and when sombody was remote on my desktop i saw everything he did |
| 22:57.52 | vlan7 | i agree with bint |
| 22:58.28 | bint | i still have it installed.. |
| 22:58.34 | bint | so if you wanna try.. its no pro |
| 22:58.43 | woodu | bint: vlan7: it seems it depends on the configuration because for me there were always to different sessions |
| 22:58.50 | vlan7 | On debian you can try remmina as client |
| 22:59.09 | bint | woodu i didn't do any specific configs |
| 22:59.10 | vlan7 | it's installed by default on sid |
| 22:59.21 | cantido | woodu: there are a few different vnc for X11 implementations |
| 22:59.46 | cantido | woodu: one creates a whole X11 server.. the other clones an existing one |
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| 23:01.59 | woodu | will try now |
| 23:02.27 | bint | or you could go get wine |
| 23:02.33 | bint | and install teamviewer .P |
| 23:02.41 | vlan7 | haha |
| 23:04.01 | chops1 | bint: scrot + shell script + browser + auto-refresh :-) |
| 23:04.34 | bint | of these words.. i just know browser :P |
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| 23:07.01 | shadowmaster | I'm unable to "safely remove" removable media (cards, flash drives, etc.) using KDE 4's file manager or device notifications widget, and IIRC this worked fine before switching from Lenny to Squeeze last year, and I hadn't tried to fix this before since I didn't use removable media a lot until recently, for a backup HDD. Apparently eject from the command line works. When trying to eject with Dolphin, I get this: ... |
| 23:07.04 | vreg | ah |
| 23:07.07 | shadowmaster | ... http://shadowm.rewound.net/eject.png Ideas? |
| 23:07.14 | vreg | dpkg --get-selections | grep wget |
| 23:07.14 | dpkg | vreg: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 23:07.20 | shadowmaster | (of corse, I was on KDE 3.5.10 on lenny...) |
| 23:07.30 | vreg | hmm |
| 23:07.34 | vreg | dpkg |
| 23:07.41 | vreg | dpkg --get-selections |
| 23:07.41 | dpkg | vreg: are you using Windows? |
| 23:07.47 | vreg | o.O |
| 23:07.48 | bint | looks awful |
| 23:08.03 | shadowmaster | vreg: dpkg is a bot, not a dpkg frontend :( |
| 23:08.35 | shadowmaster | try writing something at the start other than "dpkg" to avoid triggering it |
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| 23:09.27 | flaarg | shadowmaster: how are you mounting your drives |
| 23:09.40 | peterrooney | dpkg must think I'm an idiot |
| 23:09.41 | dpkg | peterrooney: are you using Windows? |
| 23:09.43 | shadowmaster | flaarg: I let KDE do that for me... |
| 23:09.49 | flaarg | oh um |
| 23:09.57 | flaarg | do you have hal installed? |
| 23:10.14 | shadowmaster | yep |
| 23:10.18 | flaarg | either that or hal/kde is misconfigured |
| 23:10.24 | flaarg | I don't use either so I dunno |
| 23:10.40 | shadowmaster | maybe there's some leftover from the upgrade lying around causing problems... |
| 23:10.47 | flaarg | possibly |
| 23:11.29 | shadowmaster | but I can't purge and reinstall hal without uninstalling a lot of other packages first |
| 23:11.48 | flaarg | shadowmaster: use dpkg |
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| 23:12.19 | shadowmaster | --reinstall? |
| 23:12.26 | flaarg | well you want to purge all the configs |
| 23:12.33 | shadowmaster | er wait, that's apt-get :p |
| 23:12.43 | nsadmin | actually you can... but you have to use dpkg to purge, and force the deps. this is NOT a usual thing to do, then you can aptitude install it again |
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| 23:12.56 | flaarg | shadowmaster: use dpkg |
| 23:13.08 | shadowmaster | okay, I'll try that. |
| 23:13.26 | flaarg | nsadmin: but so much depends on hal that it would be easier to just use dpkg to -rP then reinstall |
| 23:14.23 | flaarg | or -P I dont' remember the exact syntax |
| 23:14.42 | nsadmin | that's what I'm saying too. use dpkg to purge, then aptitude to reinstall, and it will download if it has to (most likely not) |
| 23:14.47 | flaarg | oh yah |
| 23:16.17 | shadowmaster | I just downloaded the hal deb before hand using aptitude though |
| 23:16.54 | nsadmin | so aptitude will find it again, or you can install it again after with dpkg |
| 23:16.59 | nsadmin | yuor choice |
| 23:17.03 | shadowmaster | so, I'll go see what happens now. |
| 23:19.03 | nsadmin | however... dunno what extra status aptitude will place on hal (probably installed thru dep of something else, and therefore vulnerable to orphan removal) |
| 23:19.36 | nsadmin | (hal? vulnerable??? nooo!) |
| 23:21.25 | cantido | thought the xorg people had nuked hal .. |
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| 23:22.14 | lenswipe|newpc | hey guys |
| 23:22.29 | lenswipe|newpc | can someone tell me how to get the newest version of flash player working on debian |
| 23:23.21 | cast | flash isn't free :( |
| 23:23.45 | cantido | lenswipe|newpc: lenny? squeeze? |
| 23:23.50 | shadowmaster | wow, now it believes my hard disk's first partition is a removable device |
| 23:23.51 | cast | for youtube, there are a few alternatives |
| 23:24.02 | shadowmaster | hopes it's just a consequence of going single user and then back to runlevel 3 |
| 23:24.15 | liable | install the plugin from the non-free repo |
| 23:24.24 | cantido | shadowmaster: what do you mean by removable device? |
| 23:24.32 | cast | shadowmaster: if it's on SATA it is a removable device |
| 23:24.42 | shadowmaster | it's never been one. |
| 23:24.44 | lenswipe|newpc | cantido, lenny, but i think i got it |
| 23:24.49 | cantido | cast: a partition shouldn't be removable |
| 23:25.03 | shadowmaster | I mean, it's never offered the option to "eject" the first internal hard disk's first (NTFS) partition ;) |
| 23:25.08 | lenswipe|newpc | shadowmaster, it is a removable device - if you try hard enough ;) |
| 23:25.36 | nsadmin | scalpel... |
| 23:26.02 | lenswipe|newpc | nsadmin, wrench... |
| 23:26.03 | cantido | shadowmaster: hal or whatever it is that controls that has probably registered that as user mounted or mountable |
| 23:26.07 | cantido | shadowmaster: nothing special |
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| 23:26.26 | shadowmaster | oh, I didn't notice it's "users" in the fstab |
| 23:26.38 | nsadmin | is that for taking out the wrenched ankle? |
| 23:27.31 | shadowmaster | hm, okay, now it doesn't detect any insertion. |
| 23:27.47 | shadowmaster | maybe I should reconfigure more packages |
| 23:28.28 | shadowmaster | apparently "any insertion" includes my USB mouse |
| 23:29.12 | shadowmaster | -assuming that's handled by hal anyway. |
| 23:29.43 | dondelelcaro | shadowmaster: do you see anything happening in dmesg when you plug the mouse in? |
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| 23:30.12 | shadowmaster | yeah, the kernel detects the mouse. |
| 23:30.15 | shadowmaster | but X.org doesn't, now. |
| 23:30.42 | shadowmaster | hm. "(EE) A4Tech RF USB Receiver: Failed to reopen device after 10 attempts." in the X log |
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| 23:31.08 | shadowmaster | (that being the USB mouse's wireless receiver) |
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| 23:32.34 | nsadmin | probably that's a bug in the driver... would the mouse "inserted" cause the usb device to try to talk to X? |
| 23:33.24 | cantido | I thought X just talked to the input framework now |
| 23:33.41 | nsadmin | maybe that's a logic error... but I'd zoom out and see it as a logistical error, convenience problem |
| 23:34.20 | nsadmin | so then, would the input framework be able to see the mouse again if it showed up much later? |
| 23:35.02 | cantido | nsadmin: I thought Xorg just collects events from /dev/input |
| 23:35.37 | shadowmaster | oh, restarting udev solved it. I guess it's consequence of going init 1 and then back to 3 :/ |
| 23:35.46 | nsadmin | so then X wouldn't see "EohSHITmousewentaway" |
| 23:36.22 | nsadmin | the input framework would |
| 23:36.40 | nsadmin | do I have that right? |
| 23:36.43 | shadowmaster | okay, inserting my flash drive works again, but I didn't solve the original problem. |
| 23:37.46 | cantido | nsadmin: I think so. When an input device is inserted the kernel hooks it up to /dev/input/something |
| 23:38.05 | cantido | nsadmin: I thought Xorg just took all the mouse events coming out of /dev/input/mice |
| 23:38.19 | nsadmin | that's what I thought too |
| 23:38.41 | nsadmin | so something about the particular device driver is logistically inconvenient |
| 23:38.47 | cantido | unless he's manually defined the input like back in the day |
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| 23:39.06 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:39.40 | NoCode | Is there anyway to get Ubuntu-type notifications? I mean customized just like Ubuntu's? |
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| 23:40.03 | nsadmin | you want ubuntu to notify you when you type something?! |
| 23:40.04 | cantido | shadowmaster: are you having problems with usb in general? |
| 23:40.39 | cantido | shadowmaster: or just that hal isn't bringing stuff on your desktop when you plug/unplug something? |
| 23:41.04 | nsadmin | NoCode: you'll have to find out what package(s) in ubuntu provides that functionality |
| 23:41.20 | riot | how do i find out wether my cpu is 64 bit capable? /proc/cpuinfo and dmidecode tell me nothing :( |
| 23:41.31 | riot | i know, its a dual xeon 3.06GHz machine |
| 23:41.37 | cast | /proc/cpuinfo will tell you a lot |
| 23:41.43 | cantido | riot: older xeon? |
| 23:41.46 | riot | but not about 32/64 |
| 23:41.49 | nsadmin | pastebin it |
| 23:41.51 | riot | cantido: old, yes. |
| 23:42.31 | cantido | riot: I have a 2 x 3.06hz xeon machine here .. it is 64bit capable |
| 23:42.58 | riot | cantido: those cpus were manufactured in both sizes.. |
| 23:43.06 | shadowmaster | cantido: no, inserting stuff works. It was just that udev wassn't working after returning from single user mode. |
| 23:43.20 | shadowmaster | cantido: the problem that I still have is removing stuff from KDE |
| 23:43.36 | cantido | riot: sizes being 32 and 64bit? |
| 23:43.41 | riot | http://pastebin.com/vuSR0na9 |
| 23:43.45 | riot | cantido: yup |
| 23:43.55 | shadowmaster | i.e. I still get http://shadowm.rewound.net/eject.png |
| 23:44.09 | cantido | riot: mmm I don't think so,.. I think at a certain point all the xeons got EMT64 |
| 23:44.16 | shadowmaster | sudo eject works |
| 23:44.30 | cantido | erxz_paste: if you google whatever E???? it is though you'll soon find out |
| 23:44.41 | riot | cantido: i just read on wikipedia, there are 3.06 GHz xeons with and without |
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| 23:45.55 | black_13 | i am having problems getting the network card on computer recognized, it uses a realtek 8139c+ chipset |
| 23:46.35 | cantido | riot: apparently lm is the flag for Long Mode -- 64bit mode |
| 23:46.58 | riot | so, mine is 32? |
| 23:47.44 | riot | ah, yes, indeed |
| 23:47.53 | riot | crap. hmmhm. whatever.. :/ |
| 23:48.18 | cantido | riot: use dmesg to find out the model number and google it to make 100% sure though |
| 23:48.46 | riot | good idea. |
| 23:49.01 | shadowmaster | wonders what's all these symlinks to /media/usb0 with names of former removed devices in /var/run/usbmount... |
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| 23:50.28 | shadowmaster | and the target dir is owned by root:floppy, set to 0777, and my main user is part of the group... |
| 23:50.49 | cantido | black_13: what does dmesg and lspci say? "recognized" doesn't mean much without any context |
| 23:51.16 | black_13 | certainly |
| 23:51.25 | black_13 | let me get those |
| 23:52.32 | nsadmin | lspci -nn |
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