| 00:00.09 | black_13 | i get for the ethernet driver Ethernet controller [0200]:Realtek Semiconductor Co. Rtl-8139/8139c/8139c+ rev10 |
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| 00:01.31 | Backup | can some one supply me with a up to date debian usb install? all the methods i use just end up in the installer hanging when trying to detect a external media to load the iso on |
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| 00:03.21 | nsadmin | Backup: what is the list defined by "all the methods I use"? |
| 00:05.03 | Backup | the debian wiki |
| 00:05.43 | nsadmin | that would be a list containing the list of what I'd like |
| 00:05.48 | black_13 | yeah the network lights arent even comming on |
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| 00:06.29 | Backup | zcat boot.img > /dev some device then i copy over the kernel, initrd and the iso. it boots, when halts when trying to detect cd-rom/iso |
| 00:07.46 | nsadmin | boot.img? |
| 00:07.59 | nsadmin | is that the exact name? |
| 00:08.04 | Backup | boot.img.gz ofc |
| 00:09.03 | nsadmin | show exactly what you do after doing the zcat |
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| 00:09.09 | nsadmin | what's the one next step? |
| 00:09.30 | Backup | then i create the partition on it |
| 00:09.41 | Backup | and syslinux |
| 00:09.48 | nsadmin | hmm, that could be the problem |
| 00:09.49 | Backup | then just copy over the files |
| 00:09.56 | nsadmin | try this |
| 00:10.05 | nsadmin | do the zcat |
| 00:10.24 | nsadmin | then look at the p listing of fdisk on that device |
| 00:10.37 | Backup | check if its bootable you mean? |
| 00:10.52 | nsadmin | well look at all of it |
| 00:10.57 | Backup | it does boot. the installer just hangs when trying to detect cd-rom/cd.iso |
| 00:11.00 | Backup | ok |
| 00:11.03 | Backup | just a sec |
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| 00:11.34 | nsadmin | spersaud, so, did you try debian yet |
| 00:11.57 | spersaud | nsadmin: I use debian what do you mean ? |
| 00:12.07 | spersaud | I was just joking around, hope you guys didnt take me seriously |
| 00:12.08 | nsadmin | oh, let's see... |
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| 00:15.00 | nsadmin | Backup, what do you see? |
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| 00:16.05 | Backup | nsadmin: well, it looks messy |
| 00:16.11 | Backup | Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary. |
| 00:16.20 | Backup | Partition table entries are not in disk order |
| 00:16.25 | Backup | also refers to a partiton 2 in there |
| 00:16.32 | Backup | and a ? where the boot flag should be |
| 00:16.33 | nsadmin | ok... as an experiment... |
| 00:16.44 | nsadmin | delete all the partitions, write. |
| 00:17.05 | Backup | done |
| 00:17.07 | nsadmin | so at that point there are zero partitions... right? |
| 00:17.11 | Backup | yes |
| 00:17.18 | nsadmin | exit from fdisk, |
| 00:17.24 | nsadmin | do the zcat again |
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| 00:17.30 | nsadmin | go into fdisk |
| 00:17.46 | nsadmin | look at p listing again |
| 00:18.22 | cast | given that all the CHS stuff is abstracted now and disks lie about it, i've felt caring about anything other than block offsets to be outmoded |
| 00:18.28 | Backup | i think ive messed my usb up a bit, think i need to dd null write to it |
| 00:18.46 | Backup | becuause i still get the same error |
| 00:19.06 | nsadmin | well ok, so do that, then do the zcat |
| 00:19.32 | nsadmin | I have a point to all this, but I want you to draw a conclusion |
| 00:21.10 | Backup | hehe working on it |
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| 00:22.47 | nsadmin | so the activity, is zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/ice |
| 00:22.59 | nsadmin | then without doing ANYTHING else, |
| 00:23.13 | nsadmin | look at p listing in fdisk /dev/ice |
| 00:23.51 | Backup | will do, once im done writing zeross to my device |
| 00:24.37 | nsadmin | so once you're done writing zeros, the number of defined partitions should be... |
| 00:25.42 | Backup | well, there are non atm |
| 00:25.50 | shadowmaster | out of curiosity, why does it take so long to invoke-rc.d * restart dnsmasq? it doesn't even stop when shutting down or rebooting the system, so it ends up listed as a process which could not be terminated, at the end |
| 00:25.50 | nsadmin | correct |
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| 00:26.14 | nsadmin | cause you're doing it weirdly :) |
| 00:26.15 | Backup | im need to clear my entier device and start over. my mbr is a mess |
| 00:26.21 | shadowmaster | and no matter what I do to reconfigure the package, it doesn't get a stop entry for runlevels 0 or 6 |
| 00:26.38 | nsadmin | Backup, don't worry about that too much |
| 00:26.45 | nsadmin | just write and look |
| 00:26.48 | Backup | nsadmin: this usb booting thing ive always had issues with, i just cant seem to get it. appriciate your time to help tho |
| 00:28.52 | Backup | hm. still same error |
| 00:29.07 | nsadmin | error? |
| 00:29.17 | nsadmin | so you're ahead of me |
| 00:29.25 | nsadmin | the steps are: |
| 00:29.35 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:29.44 | Backup | no, im not, i did zcat and looked at the tables using fidks |
| 00:29.47 | Backup | nothing else |
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| 00:30.08 | nsadmin | ok, how many partitions do you see? |
| 00:30.22 | Backup | 2 |
| 00:30.28 | Backup | both with errors and unkown fs |
| 00:30.49 | Backup | http://pastebin.com/3fAcwbSC |
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| 00:30.54 | nsadmin | which is DIFFERENT from when you had zeroed, and from when you deleted the partitions? |
| 00:31.49 | Backup | nothing that i can see |
| 00:31.50 | nsadmin | hmmm, that is weird |
| 00:31.55 | Backup | i still have the iso in my mbr. |
| 00:32.02 | nsadmin | exactly what commandline was used to write? |
| 00:32.23 | Backup | dd if=/dev/zero of=dev/sdb |
| 00:32.41 | nsadmin | and then how did you write the image? |
| 00:32.48 | Backup | using zcat |
| 00:32.53 | Backup | but |
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| 00:33.03 | nsadmin | exact command line? |
| 00:33.09 | Backup | previously i used dd to write the testing-cd.iso to the device |
| 00:33.23 | Backup | zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb |
| 00:33.56 | nsadmin | so right after doing that is when you looked at fdisk? or did you dd the image? |
| 00:33.59 | Backup | so ive used dd to try and write the cd-iso to my device, didnt work. and i tried the debian wiki way. didnt work either |
| 00:34.41 | Backup | i just need to completly wipe my usb drive |
| 00:34.53 | Backup | dd zero command didnt seem to do it |
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| 00:35.31 | nsadmin | if you are doing this: |
| 00:35.50 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:36.13 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:36.20 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:36.23 | nsadmin | you are ahead of me |
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| 00:36.36 | shadowmaster | reinstalled policykit, consolekit, hald, various kde packages, dbus, and this still doesn't work : |
| 00:36.54 | nsadmin | if, on the other hand, you are doing thisL |
| 00:36.55 | Backup | ok, a couple of hours ago, i did dd if=/home/debian-testing-amd64.iso. that didnt work. so i wiped my usb, tried the debian wiki way, using the "zcat" command, that didnt work either. now i seem to have a combination of the two on my drive |
| 00:37.00 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:37.04 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:37.08 | nsadmin | err |
| 00:37.11 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:37.16 | nsadmin | you're right with me |
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| 00:38.18 | Backup | my head is just not with me today. grr. |
| 00:38.23 | nsadmin | we CANNOT get to the conclusion part unless we VERIFY you're doing the steps in this order |
| 00:38.33 | Backup | i am doing them in this order |
| 00:38.49 | nsadmin | so, no dd of the iso? |
| 00:38.58 | Backup | zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/ice then i look at the partitons and i get those error. |
| 00:38.59 | Backup | no |
| 00:39.03 | Backup | now im trying the zcat method |
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| 00:39.38 | Backup | the dd thing was a few hours ago. but the iso i burned on my device is still there now after messing with zcat a bit. |
| 00:40.16 | Backup | in fact, it just appeard a few minutes ago. i buess its been there all along. its just that my device no has no working partitions. so it actually mounts the mbr |
| 00:40.17 | nsadmin | so try this once more.... zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb |
| 00:40.28 | nsadmin | then fdisk /dev/sdb |
| 00:40.30 | nsadmin | and p |
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| 00:41.02 | nsadmin | you may have a big file called ice in /dev |
| 00:41.49 | Backup | ok, done exactly what you told me to. still same errors |
| 00:42.15 | nsadmin | that seems weird... |
| 00:42.28 | nsadmin | see if you have a big file called sdb in /dev/ |
| 00:42.42 | Backup | sdb is in /dev/ yes |
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| 00:42.58 | nsadmin | could you show ls -l /dev/sdb |
| 00:43.06 | Backup | when i unplug my usb, and plug it back in, it automatically loads the devices mbr |
| 00:43.24 | Backup | brw-rw---- 1 root floppy 8, 16 Sep 12 02:41 /dev/sdb |
| 00:43.45 | nsadmin | that looks right |
| 00:43.49 | Backup | it does doesnt it |
| 00:44.20 | Backup | fdisk does complain about dos-compability mode beeing depricated tho |
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| 00:45.06 | nsadmin | it also looks like you're sure that the device is showing up as sdb each time you plug it in |
| 00:45.18 | nsadmin | so you're watching the log while you insert the device? |
| 00:45.32 | Backup | i try and make sure yes |
| 00:45.41 | Backup | forget from time to time tho |
| 00:45.58 | nsadmin | is it possible there's an sdc? |
| 00:46.04 | Backup | no in /dev no |
| 00:46.44 | nsadmin | ok, so it looks like it is sdb |
| 00:47.07 | Backup | just unplugged it still sdb. but when i plug it back in. it actually mount and open the window with the files |
| 00:47.19 | Backup | the device is called debian inst |
| 00:47.34 | nsadmin | so the files are present |
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| 00:47.37 | Backup | yes |
| 00:47.55 | Backup | but, as i originally stated, the installer fails at loading the iso when trying to detect a cd-rom |
| 00:49.25 | Backup | hang on |
| 00:49.37 | nsadmin | ok, so we're going to try putting the iso in there... you say there are partitions which are mounted and which exist at the point right after the zcat |
| 00:49.52 | nsadmin | don't write the iso yet |
| 00:49.55 | Backup | yes, but with errorss |
| 00:50.23 | nsadmin | what dirs are present on the partitions? |
| 00:50.31 | Backup | ok, i botted it with just the bootloader. and it seems to be searching the devices for a iso now |
| 00:50.40 | Backup | no dirs |
| 00:50.42 | Backup | just files |
| 00:50.45 | Backup | debian bootloader fiels |
| 00:50.48 | Backup | files |
| 00:50.53 | nsadmin | ok, here's what you do... |
| 00:51.15 | Backup | i think i get it now actually |
| 00:51.16 | nsadmin | find the mount point where that partition is mounted |
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| 00:51.53 | Backup | yeh im there |
| 00:52.06 | nsadmin | what is its pwd? |
| 00:52.37 | Backup | /media/Debian Inst |
| 00:52.46 | Backup | im thinking, copy the iso there now |
| 00:53.13 | nsadmin | ok, and when you run mount, you see /dev/sdb /media/Debian Inst? |
| 00:53.31 | Backup | yes |
| 00:53.33 | Backup | /dev/sdb on /media/Debian Inst type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=udisks,uid=1000,gid=1000,shortname=mixed,dmask=0077,utf8=1,showexec,flush) |
| 00:54.18 | nsadmin | right, you're going to try copying the iso to /media/Debian\ Inst/ |
| 00:54.41 | nsadmin | careful, there's a space in the dir name which I quoted |
| 00:54.47 | Backup | the content or just the iso it self |
| 00:54.55 | nsadmin | just the iso |
| 00:55.43 | nsadmin | in other words, you're going to copy the FILE which is the iso to that dir, so the result will be that you will have the FILE which is the iso in that dir |
| 00:55.59 | nsadmin | then close the windows, cd out, unmount |
| 00:56.17 | Backup | no space left on device |
| 00:56.27 | nsadmin | what cd? |
| 00:56.38 | nsadmin | err what iso? |
| 00:56.50 | Backup | debian-testing-amd64-CD-1.iso |
| 00:57.11 | nsadmin | so that's probably close to 600 mb |
| 00:57.21 | Backup | more or less |
| 00:57.28 | nsadmin | and the boot.img.gz is a partition that might be less than that |
| 00:57.36 | Backup | gotcha |
| 00:57.51 | nsadmin | (wait, did I say that? there is a PARTITION defined on the boot.img) |
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| 00:58.31 | nsadmin | maybe -even-: there is a FORMATTED partition on the boot.img! |
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| 00:59.03 | nsadmin | and even more: there is the partition table that defines that partition |
| 00:59.19 | nsadmin | and all that is on the image |
| 00:59.22 | nsadmin | so: |
| 00:59.49 | Backup | yes, i need a bigger boot.img |
| 01:00.17 | nsadmin | or use the netinst |
| 01:00.21 | Backup | cant do that |
| 01:00.27 | Backup | im on wireless |
| 01:00.42 | Backup | and as far as i know, netinst does not support wpa yet |
| 01:00.44 | nsadmin | so you would need an iso that supports the wireless |
| 01:00.57 | nsadmin | oh, you could be right |
| 01:00.58 | Backup | even one even excists |
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| 01:02.00 | MrFrood | I've got and old motif prog I'm using is there any clever *nix command that will tell what xresources it supports? |
| 01:02.10 | nsadmin | so then what you would have to do is do the "flexible method" of the ig |
| 01:02.55 | nsadmin | so this machine does not have ethernet at all? |
| 01:03.58 | shadowmaster | I give up. I've been looking at different places in /etc looking for hints and unmounting removable disks via KDE still doesn't work |
| 01:04.07 | nsadmin | MrFrood: sure... man oldmotifprogram |
| 01:04.11 | Backup | only way to get that would be to if possible, share the wireless on my netbook via the vire jack on it, to the workstation |
| 01:04.49 | nsadmin | sounds like alotta trouble |
| 01:04.51 | Backup | shared internet connection. which i really havent concidered that much yet. |
| 01:05.02 | Backup | i dunno, is it? |
| 01:05.03 | MrFrood | nsadmin: if there was a man page I would not be asking |
| 01:05.38 | nsadmin | MrFrood: is there a source distribution for it? |
| 01:05.44 | MrFrood | yes |
| 01:05.54 | nsadmin | the man page isn't in there? |
| 01:06.14 | nsadmin | oh, one step back... can you get the source distribution? |
| 01:06.28 | MrFrood | no |
| 01:06.40 | MrFrood | I have the source |
| 01:06.59 | MrFrood | no was to the man page |
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| 01:07.10 | nsadmin | oh ok, and no other docs? |
| 01:07.58 | MrFrood | a readme that was written for the mac version (circa mid 1990's) |
| 01:09.03 | nsadmin | if you have the source but there are no docs (could it be this program died shortly after it was written?), the only way I know of that would give me the definitive info is |
| 01:09.08 | nsadmin | read the source :) |
| 01:09.23 | MrFrood | I was sort of hoping there might be something clever I could grep the source with |
| 01:10.01 | nsadmin | what you're likely to find is calls in the source to check for the resources it supports |
| 01:10.38 | nsadmin | there's no general form that's carved-in-stone enough that grepping would work except to find the calls that get the resources |
| 01:10.44 | MrFrood | OK, guess I'll have do it the hard way |
| 01:11.21 | nsadmin | what, hire 10,000 monkeys to write random resources until they're all found?! |
| 01:12.26 | nsadmin | the hopefully good thing would be if the source is divided into .c files that are separated by function |
| 01:13.41 | MrFrood | lol - running half finished software that is 15 years old and which is halfway through being updated to run on modern systems was never going to be easy :| |
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| 01:16.32 | Ratty_ | sudo has stopped using my current user settings. e.g. 'sudo vim' doesn't use ~/.vimrc but instead is using /root/.vimrc. Any ideas what could cause this? |
| 01:18.09 | MrJK | Hi |
| 01:18.25 | MrJK | I wanted to know how to activate colors for the MOTD |
| 01:18.46 | MrJK | It works with echo -e 'mycoloured text' |
| 01:19.04 | MrJK | but not when I try to login :s |
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| 01:19.23 | MrJK | ( I mofified motd.tail, and manually updated motd) |
| 01:19.34 | MrJK | thank :D |
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| 01:26.26 | ems | * You were kicked from #wine by ChanServ (Invite only channel) ? |
| 01:26.54 | MrJK | test |
| 01:27.04 | MrJK | ems: ??? |
| 01:27.15 | Tramp | ems: what you want may be #winehq |
| 01:27.31 | Tramp | but I'm making weird guesses |
| 01:27.41 | ems | thank you Tramp. <3 free hump |
| 01:27.51 | Tramp | yw |
| 01:28.18 | MrJK | Somebody know for the MOTD ? |
| 01:28.41 | dondelelcaro | Ratty_: it'll do that if you've reset HOME in sudo |
| 01:29.08 | Ratty_ | dondelelcaro: How would I have done that? |
| 01:29.12 | Ratty_ | It was fine until the last update |
| 01:29.31 | extor | Does the debian Xen kernel have write caching disabled by default? I'd like to enable it because my box keeps locking up due to i/o overload |
| 01:29.36 | dondelelcaro | Ratty_: set_home or always_set_home or similar is set, or you're using sudo -s or sudo -H or similar |
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| 01:30.45 | Ratty_ | I don't have either of those in my sudoers |
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| 01:32.34 | Ratty_ | I tried doing this: Defaults env_reset, env_check = HOME |
| 01:32.46 | Ratty_ | Do I need to do something for it to take affect |
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| 01:33.38 | e-dub | hey new to linux any help will be apprecieated |
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| 01:34.13 | e-dub | f!@# newsense is in all the channels |
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| 01:34.39 | extor | sighs at the number of limp wristed neurotic neckbeards going tut tut tut at hardware controller write cache |
| 01:34.50 | e-dub | what other channels can i join |
| 01:35.52 | nsadmin | e-dub what do you want to learn about |
| 01:36.07 | nsadmin | if you're new to linux... |
| 01:36.11 | nsadmin | !fundamentals |
| 01:36.11 | dpkg | You'll get more out of Debian and *nix if you learn some of the fundamentals. Read the "Unix and Internet Fundamentals" HOWTO at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO/ Then, read the Debian Reference at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ See also <rute>. |
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| 01:36.27 | e-dub | anything a first time usxer should know |
| 01:36.42 | nsadmin | see above, at least the tldp link |
| 01:37.05 | e-dub | taking courses online but that is not that helpfull |
| 01:37.07 | nsadmin | run every example (within reason: try to know what it's going to do) |
| 01:37.22 | nsadmin | are you actually running every example? |
| 01:37.46 | e-dub | do nyou have a help file in irc or just http:// |
| 01:38.26 | nsadmin | for this net it's probably somewhere on www.debian.org or www.freenode.net |
| 01:38.37 | nsadmin | help for what? |
| 01:38.49 | e-dub | newsense |
| 01:39.14 | nsadmin | I don't know how he's related to this or to debian support |
| 01:39.32 | e-dub | thnx a l;ot |
| 01:39.42 | e-dub | ill start here |
| 01:40.17 | nsadmin | that would be a personal relationship I'd be stepping in the middle of... umm no thanks :) |
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| 01:40.30 | e-dub | is their a way to find out who is system admin |
| 01:40.41 | Ratty_ | Can't fix sudo :( stupid updates. |
| 01:40.50 | nsadmin | on linux boxes root is the sysadmin |
| 01:41.01 | acton | I am trying to configure wpa_supplicant to work with WPA2-PSK. only thing I've found so far is wpa-psk, wpa2-psk fails. is there a way to make wpa_supplicant use wpa2-psk? |
| 01:41.13 | dondelelcaro | Ratty_: what does sudo /usr/bin/env; output? |
| 01:41.21 | e-dub | can i find out who runs this channel? |
| 01:41.37 | e-dub | or their nick |
| 01:41.45 | dondelelcaro | e-dub: what's your question? Nothing that you've asked so far has anything to do with Debian or #debian. |
| 01:42.02 | Ratty_ | dondelelcaro: HOME=/root |
| 01:42.21 | dondelelcaro | Ratty_: and /usr/bin/env; doesn't? |
| 01:42.38 | Ratty_ | Nope, that shows my proper HOME |
| 01:43.01 | e-dub | i want to know who the admin is so i can see if someone i know runs it sorry and thnx |
| 01:43.04 | Ratty_ | It was fine until I updated sudo today |
| 01:43.15 | acton | e-dub: no ass kissing for privs, sorry |
| 01:43.38 | e-dub | no not at all |
| 01:43.42 | dondelelcaro | e-dub: that's not really on topic here, sorry. |
| 01:43.59 | dondelelcaro | Ratty_: show us the contents of /etc/sudoers if you can |
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| 01:44.10 | nsadmin | if you want support in installing or using debian, you originally said you want to learn something, what happened to that? |
| 01:44.17 | e-dub | where to learn commands and what they do |
| 01:44.25 | acton | google for linux commanbds |
| 01:44.26 | dondelelcaro | Ratty_: I don't need to see any of the user lines; just any configuration options |
| 01:44.35 | e-dub | first or second link? |
| 01:44.43 | acton | you'll get a cheatsheet or 50. for more info on each, use man <command> |
| 01:44.44 | nsadmin | I'd say first link |
| 01:45.03 | nsadmin | also learn to read man pages |
| 01:45.05 | e-dub | thnx nsadmin |
| 01:45.14 | nsadmin | your first one will be hard to understand |
| 01:45.17 | Ratty_ | dondelelcaro: There's nothing much to it: http://pastebin.org/851704 |
| 01:45.19 | nsadmin | look at its structure |
| 01:45.34 | nsadmin | keep track of what's in common to all man pages |
| 01:45.35 | Ratty_ | dondelelcaro: I added the ', env_check = HOME' bit, but it didn't seem to do anything |
| 01:46.17 | dondelelcaro | Ratty_: what's the output of sudo sudo -V? |
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| 01:46.42 | nsadmin | see tho, when I say all that, you don't seem all that enthused |
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| 01:46.51 | e-dub | double clicked the link and nothing happend should i go to another workstation |
| 01:46.53 | nsadmin | or even connected |
| 01:47.14 | e-dub | where i have tabs open |
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| 01:47.45 | Ratty_ | dondelelcaro: http://pastebin.org/851753 |
| 01:48.43 | dondelelcaro | Ratty_: hrm; normally HOME should be in the list of environment variables to preserve |
| 01:48.51 | Ratty_ | Yeah :/ |
| 01:48.54 | flaarg | are warnings about missing descriptiong in /var/lib/dpkg/updates normal on installing packages |
| 01:49.05 | dondelelcaro | Ratty_: probably a bug; let me see |
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| 01:49.21 | Ratty_ | dondelelcaro: I thought 'env_check = HOME' would add it back |
| 01:49.25 | newsense | whats the next release codenamed named again ? |
| 01:49.35 | newsense | -named |
| 01:50.00 | dondelelcaro | Ratty_: see /usr/share/doc/sudo/NEWS.Debian |
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| 01:50.15 | dondelelcaro | newsense: wheazy iirc |
| 01:50.21 | frotz47 | wheezy |
| 01:50.24 | newsense | ahh that's it, thanks dondelelcaro |
| 01:50.28 | newsense | he's the penguin |
| 01:50.33 | dondelelcaro | yerp |
| 01:50.37 | MrJK | there is a command to survey when a file is readen? |
| 01:50.50 | dondelelcaro | MrJK: what do you mean by "survey" and "readen"? |
| 01:50.50 | e-dub | thnx it was in another tab |
| 01:51.00 | MrJK | Something like lsof , but in live |
| 01:51.16 | MrJK | I want to know which program open a text file |
| 01:51.38 | Ratty_ | dondelelcaro: Hmm, changing env_check to env_keep seemed to fix it, although my prompt is screwed so I'll add PS1/PS2 |
| 01:51.39 | newsense | vi |
| 01:51.41 | MrJK | but it is too quick to launch lsof |
| 01:51.51 | nsadmin | MrJK: you mean which program currently has a text file open? |
| 01:51.52 | newsense | oh lsof yeah |
| 01:51.56 | MrJK | yes |
| 01:51.59 | mtphys | yeah |
| 01:52.05 | e-dub | is their a channel for newbies? |
| 01:52.14 | dondelelcaro | Ratty_: yeah, PS1 and PS2 used to be kept; that'll probably be changed eventually, I think |
| 01:52.20 | MrJK | but, the program open and close the text file in less than 1 s |
| 01:52.41 | newsense | e-dub: #ub.... ? |
| 01:52.51 | KyleXY | newsense: Dude don't! |
| 01:52.55 | e-dub | ubuntu? |
| 01:52.59 | KyleXY | Don't put your bro on the wrong road! |
| 01:53.16 | e-dub | im trying to learn |
| 01:53.29 | KyleXY | e-dub: They won't really teach you much |
| 01:53.36 | e-dub | i just keep getting the run around |
| 01:53.42 | newsense | rutebook is good |
| 01:53.49 | e-dub | howto |
| 01:53.52 | newsense | aotitude install rutebook |
| 01:53.58 | newsense | i think it's still packaged |
| 01:54.09 | e-dub | thnx newsense |
| 01:54.09 | newsense | or you can read it online |
| 01:54.20 | e-dub | can i type it here |
| 01:54.25 | newsense | no |
| 01:54.31 | newsense | in a terminal as root |
| 01:54.41 | e-dub | xterm? |
| 01:54.58 | newsense | nah ain't packaged in squeeze at least |
| 01:55.03 | newsense | used to be |
| 01:55.06 | newsense | just google it |
| 01:55.11 | acton | e-dub: are you as dumb as you sound? |
| 01:55.12 | newsense | rutebook |
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| 01:55.35 | e-dub | obviously |
| 01:56.08 | e-dub | where did u learn? |
| 01:56.16 | e-dub | actonb |
| 01:56.17 | acton | google. |
| 01:56.23 | acton | I learned english, first. |
| 01:56.37 | e-dub | google gives the run around |
| 01:56.40 | dondelelcaro | e-dub: there are loads of books and manuals that you could learn from, as well as other places. |
| 01:56.47 | Ratty_ | Is it possible to disable 'env_reset' altogether in sudo? Commenting it out doesn't seem to do the trick. |
| 01:56.57 | dondelelcaro | Ratty_: you don't want to disable env_reset |
| 01:56.58 | e-dub | thnx linux.org? |
| 01:57.32 | Ratty_ | It just seems a lot more restrictive than it was a few months ago. |
| 01:58.02 | dondelelcaro | Ratty_: it's just because the 1.7.4p2 version has dropped more environmental variables from the default env_keep than used to be in it. |
| 01:58.17 | e-dub | thnx dondelecarlo i thought this was the reason for irc to help not degrade |
| 01:58.19 | Ratty_ | Ah |
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| 01:58.57 | Ratty_ | dondelelcaro: thanks for the help. |
| 01:59.11 | dondelelcaro | Ratty_: np; you can see the upstream changelog and the Debian changelog if you want to know more about it |
| 01:59.23 | Ratty_ | I might do that. |
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| 02:00.00 | e-dub | well how can i learn but from the best(newsense) (dondelecarlo) |
| 02:00.31 | nsadmin | first read a basic intro, run all examples |
| 02:00.39 | e-dub | sorry i forget this isnt yahoo chat bye |
| 02:00.54 | dondelelcaro | e-dub: we don't have the time to spoonfeed you; you're best of finding one of the many books to get started with (like the Debian System, or one of the Linux bibles, or similar), and then start reading stuff you find on google and normal documentation |
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| 02:02.11 | nsadmin | if you show you've done that, perhaps we'll perceive you as a bit less spazzy and psychically noisey |
| 02:04.06 | e-dub | thnx for nothing |
| 02:04.31 | nsadmin | can lead a horse to water... |
| 02:05.26 | nsadmin | see I thought this might be the case, you seem to be interested in something other than learning |
| 02:14.12 | nsadmin | (I hope to be proven wrong. do some homework.) |
| 02:15.42 | e-dub | hey im sorry i just wanted to check if i had the latest debian kernel! |
| 02:16.15 | e-dub | hey thnx peeps |
| 02:17.41 | nsadmin | ok, run uname -r |
| 02:17.51 | nsadmin | what does it say? |
| 02:17.57 | nsadmin | !kernels |
| 02:17.59 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, linux-next: next-20100910, snapshot 2.6: 2.6.36-rc3-git5, mainline 2.6: 2.6.36-rc3, stable 2.6.35: 2.6.35.4 , stable 2.6.34: 2.6.34.6 , stable 2.6.33: 2.6.33.7 , stable 2.6.32: 2.6.32.21 , stable 2.6.31: 2.6.31.14 , stable 2.6.27: 2.6.27.53 , stable 2.4.37: 2.4.37.10 |
| 02:18.07 | nsadmin | oh, wrong one |
| 02:18.13 | nsadmin | ,kernels |
| 02:18.15 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.35-trunk-686 (2.6.35-1~experimental.3); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-21); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-21); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-21~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-25); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 02:18.18 | e-dub | i really do want to learn and i need a little help so i apprecieatye all u guys do |
| 02:19.21 | nsadmin | and your uname -r is? |
| 02:20.42 | nsadmin | we've been here before. what specifically do you need help with? |
| 02:20.44 | nsadmin | !ask |
| 02:20.44 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 02:22.01 | e-dub | hey im sorry i would really apprecieate your help if you could |
| 02:22.22 | nsadmin | so what you want help with specifically is? |
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| 02:23.33 | newsense | is this a joke ? |
| 02:23.43 | newsense | it ain't april 1'st |
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| 02:28.35 | e-dub | hey nsadmin can u help me |
| 02:28.45 | CaT[t2] | semiwonders if that experimental kernel will trickle down. |
| 02:29.39 | Bushmills | i think e-dub isn't asking for knowledge, but for money |
| 02:30.00 | ems | hey guys i am curious, do all of the people here know linux and start out with it? Im thinking about really going straight for it instead of vboxing it, but I dont know if I would get so pissed off to actual smash my computer |
| 02:30.01 | ems | lol |
| 02:30.17 | ems | so what i am asking i guess is, do you think its a good idea for me to switch |
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| 02:30.28 | thepro4ever | are there any good games I can play on debian? |
| 02:30.36 | Bushmills | don't you have two computers? |
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| 02:30.48 | ems | just a laptop and desktop |
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| 02:30.57 | Xenguy | ems: be easy on yourself if you must, install debian as the main OS, and then install vbox with that other OS -- best of both worlds |
| 02:31.12 | ems | thepro4ever; yes. however. if you join #winehq, the link is there to see what is capable if you want to use win |
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| 02:31.48 | Bushmills | linux is good for reviving obsolete machines |
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| 02:32.04 | ems | well technically. this is an obsolete machine |
| 02:32.08 | ems | im just broke to get a new one |
| 02:32.09 | ems | lol |
| 02:32.35 | ems | Xenguy; i did not even know vbox would work for linux with windows |
| 02:32.45 | Bushmills | it can't really be, if you can run linux in a VM |
| 02:32.54 | Xenguy | ems: most def - I use it myself |
| 02:33.17 | newsense | i like kvm it works good |
| 02:33.21 | ems | Bushmills. i define the definition of slow :) |
| 02:33.22 | Xenguy | ems: but rarely ;-) |
| 02:33.56 | ems | Xenguy: i would switch thing is, my cousin play league of legends not for linux yet. and he likes me playing with him |
| 02:34.05 | ems | so i think vbox good idea? |
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| 02:34.59 | ems | erm lol |
| 02:35.00 | ems | you (* |
| 02:35.00 | Bushmills | thepro4ever: warzone 2100 seems to be popular |
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| 02:35.09 | Xenguy | ems: don't know about the gaming side. Check winehq to see if it will run in wine, otherwise consider separating gaming from other PC tasks? |
| 02:35.32 | owen1_ | what is the name of the package that let's u control the services with an ncurses interface? |
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| 02:35.41 | Xenguy | owen1_: rcconf |
| 02:35.49 | Xenguy | is one |
| 02:36.10 | owen1_ | Xenguy: that was quick. thanks |
| 02:36.22 | Xenguy | owen1_: yw |
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| 02:36.40 | owen1_ | Xenguy: is it being used by sysadmins? |
| 02:36.59 | Xenguy | owen1_: I only know it works |
| 02:37.19 | owen1_ | instead of tinkering files in rclevels etc, just uncheck stuff with rcconf |
| 02:37.35 | Xenguy | owen1_: right |
| 02:38.20 | Bushmills | file-rc is an alternative - does away with run level directories and links, and puts all into a single file |
| 02:39.12 | Bushmills | any text editor will do than, curses or not. |
| 02:39.16 | Bushmills | then |
| 02:40.40 | owen1_ | interesting |
| 02:41.13 | ems | i am in all the channels for the main things i want to do. i sound like such a noobie (because i am); hope i dont get hated across freenode hehe |
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| 02:44.39 | brummbaer | hi #debian. i'm getting ugly slow read speeds on a usb 1.1 controller (~750kB/s or ~6Mb/s), where i understand it supports about twice that. any ideas? |
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| 02:44.48 | doublehp | please any one: << ls -l /etc/ | grep ssl >> ? |
| 02:45.28 | Metaphysicist | Is there a kernel that handles threading issues with Linux? |
| 02:45.33 | cast | drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 2010-09-11 21:30 ssl |
| 02:45.43 | Metaphysicist | Multiple threads of one instance causing the system to crash? |
| 02:45.45 | cast | Metaphysicist: what? linux is a kernel |
| 02:45.57 | Metaphysicist | I'm talking about something like Zen or Liquorix. |
| 02:46.01 | Metaphysicist | I am well aware Linux is a Kernel. |
| 02:46.08 | cast | xen? |
| 02:46.18 | cast | googles zen and liquorix |
| 02:46.32 | doublehp | Metaphysicist: if you are speaking of one particular bug, or security issue, please state it clearly, and point us to an URL |
| 02:46.49 | Metaphysicist | Ugh. You guys are useless. |
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| 02:47.19 | cast | ok....liquorix is just linux |
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| 02:48.34 | cast | http://zen-kernel.org/2.6.35-zen2-get-the-fuck-out nice code names :> |
| 02:50.10 | doublehp | does chmod affect mtime or ctime or atime (or none) ? |
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| 02:50.27 | doublehp | chmod or chown |
| 02:50.43 | cast | seems easy enough to test ;P |
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| 02:57.02 | nooper | ctime i would guess |
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| 03:00.02 | nsadmin | ems: hated? why? it's not a matter of love or hate, it's more a matter of how fun you are to help |
| 03:00.51 | thepro4ever | Bushmills: i'll take a look, thank you sir |
| 03:01.40 | nsadmin | e-dub: /msg dpkg sicco |
| 03:01.57 | nsadmin | also, /msg dpkg smart questions and follow the link |
| 03:02.35 | nsadmin | e-dub: looks strongly like you're trolling. |
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| 03:04.20 | newsense | nsadmin: unfortunately he is my brother, i can assure he is not trolling, never really used a computer before |
| 03:04.55 | nsadmin | well that's kinda why I asked for a moment of your time before |
| 03:05.09 | newsense | sorry i hadn't noticed |
| 03:05.18 | nsadmin | at all? what does he want to do? |
| 03:05.32 | newsense | i will get him up to speed on irc manners |
| 03:06.04 | newsense | nsadmin: he wants to learn howto install programs and configure his window manager |
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| 03:07.57 | newsense | i am planning on teaching him a few commands and pointing him to some docs, thought he might learn a little by listening here too, didn't think he would be so vocal |
| 03:08.12 | nsadmin | the latter I don't know much about other than poking around the UI meant for that... the former, I understand better... but one thing he needs to understand is it won't work for him to ask for help for something he's not saying anything about and then expect someone to step up |
| 03:08.44 | nsadmin | he needs to understand it's the opposite: |
| 03:09.03 | newsense | i know i was shocked myself |
| 03:09.14 | nsadmin | he would know exactly what he needs and ask for specifically what he wants |
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| 03:10.59 | nsadmin | another thing to understand is "this unix/linux thing" (my quote) is several semesters worth of material, he's not going to get it all at once and sometimes he'll be on his own to find how to deal and what he can do |
| 03:11.01 | e-dub | nsadmin 2.6.32 -5-686 couldnt find my xterm sorry |
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| 03:11.50 | newsense | alt+f1 works in fluxbox not sure about blackbox |
| 03:12.37 | nsadmin | good to know... you seem to be running squeeze |
| 03:12.45 | newsense | yeah he is |
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| 03:13.53 | e-dub | thnx for tolerating me fellas i really apprecieate it] |
| 03:14.19 | newsense | e-dub: make sure you ask specific questions here and they are related to debian in some way |
| 03:14.32 | nsadmin | don't thank us yet... there will be growing pains |
| 03:14.34 | e-dub | im sorru and i will |
| 03:14.42 | e-dub | thnx for the help |
| 03:14.53 | e-dub | lol |
| 03:15.43 | newsense | not sure if lol is allowed either |
| 03:16.10 | e-dub | im taking linux courses and other things but their's a lot to learn |
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| 03:16.43 | e-dub | is ha |
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| 03:17.17 | e-dub | youre right newsense i have'nt seen a lol? |
| 03:18.37 | e-dub | thnx for all the help guys i'll be between irc and studying from the link i got |
| 03:19.12 | e-dub | oh are btheir a list of rules for this channel? |
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| 03:19.33 | e-dub | can i give out my e-maqil |
| 03:19.45 | newsense | no |
| 03:19.47 | newsense | don't |
| 03:20.00 | e-dub | oh |
| 03:20.14 | e-dub | thnx newsence |
| 03:20.27 | newsense | ok just keep it on topic |
| 03:20.46 | newsense | gonna get me banned with you |
| 03:20.55 | e-dub | debian theme install how to? |
| 03:21.21 | newsense | no such thing as a "debian theme" |
| 03:21.23 | nodiscript-login | hi |
| 03:21.28 | newsense | you want a blackbox theme |
| 03:21.36 | e-dub | got it |
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| 03:22.05 | newsense | and i got no clue if theres a tool or if you have to put them in some dir |
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| 03:22.21 | e-dub | are their different themes available wiyh debian |
| 03:22.35 | e-dub | sorry, with |
| 03:22.48 | pibarnas | hi folks, how can I see using apt whats the current version from a deb without downloading it from the repo? |
| 03:22.55 | newsense | i installed blackbox and blackbox-themes i think the package was but you can download more from a third party website |
| 03:23.15 | e-dub | trusted? |
| 03:23.40 | newsense | dpkg -l package |
| 03:23.40 | dpkg | ii package 2.1-13 newsense's private stamp collection |
| 03:23.41 | acasto | pibarnas: apt-cache policy <package> |
| 03:23.47 | newsense | or that |
| 03:23.54 | e-dub | thnx |
| 03:24.15 | pibarnas | acasto: thanks, Ill try. |
| 03:24.48 | newsense | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:24.48 | dpkg | No packages found matching package works too |
| 03:24.54 | newsense | grr |
| 03:24.59 | sedulous | e-dub: it's up to you whether you trust the third party website or not |
| 03:25.27 | e-dub | not worried iknow |
| 03:25.45 | newsense | e-dub: google blackbox themes, i would assume the first few results would be legit |
| 03:25.56 | e-dub | i guess that was a stupid question |
| 03:26.10 | newsense | no security is never stupid |
| 03:26.13 | e-dub | gotta look though |
| 03:26.28 | e-dub | :) |
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| 03:27.03 | e-dub | can i install? |
| 03:27.20 | e-dub | how? |
| 03:27.33 | e-dub | xterm? |
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| 03:28.02 | newsense | install what |
| 03:28.20 | e-dub | themes/blackbox |
| 03:28.22 | newsense | you gotta be more specific and type on one line, don't hit enter so much |
| 03:28.44 | newsense | e-dub: i am not sure |
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| 03:29.28 | pibarnas | acasto: how can I update only a single package? |
| 03:29.36 | e-dub | k i'll do some research thnx newsense |
| 03:29.55 | newsense | /usr/share/blackbox/styles/ |
| 03:29.59 | newsense | put it there |
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| 03:30.39 | newsense | pibarnas: aptitude update package |
| 03:30.57 | newsense | err upgrade |
| 03:31.07 | newsense | pibarnas: aptitude upgrade package |
| 03:31.12 | magyarlatin | Hello everyone |
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| 03:31.19 | newsense | hi magyarlatin |
| 03:31.31 | pibarnas | newsense: okay, thanks. |
| 03:31.36 | newsense | no problem |
| 03:31.48 | acasto | pibarnas: or just apt-get install <package> |
| 03:32.30 | newsense | less typing, works for me |
| 03:32.42 | newsense | didn't know that |
| 03:33.52 | ems | if i could just find a 'im' program to do web cam sessions and audio sessions w/ the webcam |
| 03:33.57 | ems | i'd be set |
| 03:34.02 | ems | pidgin doesnt but i thought it did |
| 03:36.41 | e-dub | lonelymachines.org |
| 03:36.56 | e-dub | mlackboxthemes |
| 03:37.08 | e-dub | ? |
| 03:37.37 | newsense | that's offtopic here, get your themes where you want |
| 03:37.48 | ems | i dont want any themes |
| 03:38.13 | newsense | ems: i was talking to e-dub |
| 03:38.20 | ems | newsense; oh sorry my man |
| 03:39.44 | newsense | ems: psi |
| 03:40.46 | newsense | ems: it's for jabber and gtalk |
| 03:41.01 | newsense | i found it from an aptitude search, never used it myself |
| 03:41.38 | newsense | jabber is a nice IMHO |
| 03:42.18 | thepro4ever | exit |
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| 03:49.32 | ems | newsense; yes but can others who use aim for windows protocal still chat with me? |
| 03:49.49 | newsense | don't think so |
| 03:50.00 | newsense | seems it's jabber-gtalk |
| 03:50.14 | ems | oh |
| 03:50.15 | newsense | not sure about aim at all |
| 03:50.19 | newsense | never used it |
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| 04:04.01 | elkclone | aim aol. ? |
| 04:04.11 | ems | aim is aol but aim is not aol |
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| 04:04.16 | ems | www.aim.com |
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| 04:19.07 | elkclone | netsplit? |
| 04:19.25 | Dilberto | i think |
| 04:19.28 | Dilberto | i love netsplits |
| 04:19.34 | Dilberto | they make trolling so much easier |
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| 04:24.19 | Dilberto | niggers |
| 04:24.20 | Dilberto | suck |
| 04:24.22 | Dilberto | niggers |
| 04:24.23 | Dilberto | suck |
| 04:24.26 | Dilberto | if you are tired of niggers |
| 04:24.32 | liable | !ops Dilberto troll |
| 04:24.32 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: liable complains about: Dilberto troll |
| 04:24.33 | Dilberto | join http://www.chimpout.com/forum |
| 04:24.45 | Dilberto | if you are tired of niggers join http://www.chimpout.com/forum |
| 04:24.50 | Dilberto | we are not white supremacists |
| 04:24.58 | Dilberto | we welcome all non-niggers |
| 04:25.16 | ems | Dilberto, can i fuck your dead mother |
| 04:25.24 | nsx | Dilberto, no need to repeat yourself |
| 04:25.28 | nsx | we heard you the first time |
| 04:26.41 | newsense | Dilberto: what about a ghetto white boy from the hood, south side of chicago ?? |
| 04:26.55 | liable | guys, dont feed the troll |
| 04:26.57 | Dilberto | as long as he hates niggers |
| 04:27.11 | Dilberto | its okay |
| 04:27.14 | Dilberto | i am a Mexican |
| 04:27.19 | newsense | i use the word myself but i don't put the e r on it |
| 04:27.20 | Dilberto | we have jewish and chinese members too |
| 04:27.31 | Dilberto | newsense nigga is the ignorant way of saying that word |
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| 04:27.39 | Dilberto | NETSPLIT |
| 04:27.41 | newsense | not where i am from |
| 04:27.42 | Dilberto | TROLL AWAY |
| 04:28.17 | nsx | Dilberto: do you still live in mexico? |
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| 04:28.54 | Dilberto | yes |
| 04:28.58 | nsx | where in mexico? |
| 04:29.04 | Dilberto | Tijuana |
| 04:29.22 | nsx | ah |
| 04:29.36 | nsx | south san diego |
| 04:29.40 | Dilberto | we get fucking nigger tourists |
| 04:29.43 | newsense | this nigga got issues, at least he ain't here hanging out in front of home depot trying to come along on my jobs |
| 04:29.46 | Dilberto | they are worse than the other drunks |
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| 04:29.56 | Dilberto | at least they work |
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| 04:30.15 | nsx | if you're living in a border town, you have to expect tourists |
| 04:30.25 | Dilberto | oh I don't mind a lot of them |
| 04:30.32 | Dilberto | but the niggers are a pain in the ass |
| 04:30.41 | Dilberto | now we simply just don't let them in the restaurant |
| 04:30.46 | Dilberto | most like to send the orders back |
| 04:30.47 | qq- | !ot |
| 04:30.47 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 04:30.55 | Dilberto | complain about everything |
| 04:30.58 | Dilberto | demand refunds |
| 04:31.00 | Dilberto | loud |
| 04:31.12 | qq- | !ops Dilberto |
| 04:31.12 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: qq- complains about: Dilberto |
| 04:31.14 | Dilberto | then when you tell them that that is how the dish is supposed to be |
| 04:31.18 | Dilberto | they call you raycis |
| 04:31.19 | Dilberto | fucking apes |
| 04:31.31 | nsx | you have to expect tourists of all shapes, sizes, and colors in any border town |
| 04:31.34 | nsx | c'est la vie |
| 04:31.51 | nsx | I'm guessing you don't find nearly as many of them in south mexico :-) |
| 04:31.56 | Dilberto | our cops take care of the monkeyshines |
| 04:32.08 | Dilberto | in guerrero there are a few |
| 04:32.10 | nsx | well then why so much anger? |
| 04:32.14 | Dilberto | but really there aren't that many |
| 04:32.26 | Dilberto | Veracruz and Guerrero have most of the mexican niggers |
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| 04:33.37 | nsx | I could eat mexican food and drink mexican beer every day |
| 04:33.46 | nsx | just not corona though, that's terrible beer |
| 04:33.57 | nooper | i am fully with you on that |
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| 04:57.14 | hell_razer | i have byued vpd at linode and setup debian here, and now i want to setup locale but no dpkg-loale there |
| 04:57.58 | cast | !locales |
| 04:58.06 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command; ask me about <localised errors>. http://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
| 04:59.06 | hell_razer | there no these packege from box |
| 04:59.28 | hell_razer | i think tehre some reason because they havent isntalled it |
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| 05:02.06 | astro73 | i'm having trouble getting the squeeze netinst to boot on my eeePC 2G Surf. I get a boot menu, but it just hangs if I select "Install" or "Graphical Install" |
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| 05:02.27 | cast | astro73: i too had the same problem |
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| 05:02.56 | cast | astro73: so i installed stable and then upgraded, since there was only a base install there wasn't much to upgrade |
| 05:05.00 | astro73 | i'll try that |
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| 05:08.05 | hell_razer | in man dpkg there a lot of information but how force ovveride existing packages? |
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| 05:17.04 | cast | hell_razer: what do you mean? |
| 05:17.29 | cast | hell_razer: do you want to force an upgrade? |
| 05:18.19 | hell_razer | force degrade with out depensies |
| 05:18.54 | cast | oh, and why do you want to do that? |
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| 05:19.47 | hell_razer | cast i have patched psotgersql for special soft and i want use it, and isntall phppgadmin |
| 05:20.03 | simonrvn | weee, netsplit |
| 05:20.11 | cast | why don't you do your things in /usr/local/ :) |
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| 05:22.56 | astro73 | cast, lenny installer isn't working either? |
| 05:23.28 | cast | astro73: lenny should work fine... |
| 05:23.37 | astro73 | same results |
| 05:23.53 | astro73 | squeeze _should_ work |
| 05:24.05 | cast | hmm, that's not cool |
| 05:24.11 | cast | can you boot debian live on there? |
| 05:24.27 | astro73 | is there a USB version? |
| 05:24.56 | cast | of debian-live, yes |
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| 05:38.58 | Vutral | hi |
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| 05:43.12 | Vutral | mhm |
| 05:43.22 | Vutral | i got some questions |
| 05:43.30 | Vutral | i got this amd geode embedded board |
| 05:43.47 | Vutral | when i load the hifn7955 module it will crash at some point |
| 05:44.02 | Vutral | i wonder if i that is fixable |
| 05:44.11 | astro73 | ummmm.... debian-live is failing too. Given that Chromium OS isn't working anymore either, i'm starting to wonder if it's time to invest in new hardware |
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| 05:45.01 | Vutral | looks like some dma error associated with ethernet bridging |
| 05:45.17 | astro73 | cast, ideas? |
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| 05:49.28 | Vutral | mhm |
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| 05:51.48 | W8TVI | I now run Debian Lenny on my desktop! |
| 05:52.14 | W8TVI | now I just need to configure it to my liking. |
| 05:52.32 | sauvin | I don't run anything ELSE on my laptops (well, except for this goofy Acer, which is running ubuntu, but it almost doesn't count...) |
| 05:52.32 | cast | astro73: hm....does anything work? |
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| 05:57.31 | superlinux | hi all |
| 05:58.28 | superlinux | I have an idea that I want to discuss regarding memory management. I just don't know whether it's worth doing |
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| 06:01.25 | superlinux | well, as long as we have multi-core CPU, why not compress the RAM contents and dedicate a core to compress and decompress as it's required? this would help in not using the hard disk. |
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| 06:02.44 | flaarg | superlinux: because ram isn't exactly expensive anymore |
| 06:02.47 | cast | how fast do you think compression would be, vs DDR3 bandwidth |
| 06:02.51 | Vutral | mhm |
| 06:03.26 | Vutral | why dont you get some fpga code |
| 06:03.30 | Vutral | for compression |
| 06:03.45 | Vutral | some cpus might even have enough space for running it as microcde |
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| 06:04.01 | flaarg | now if you were to encrypt the ram it would could help with security |
| 06:04.07 | nooper | lol |
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| 06:04.48 | Vutral | lol |
| 06:04.49 | cast | yeah, because i'm sick and tired of people stealing my RAM and taking my files |
| 06:04.53 | Vutral | encrypt ram :D |
| 06:05.06 | Vutral | i thought we have protected mode for that reason |
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| 06:05.48 | flaarg | its all kinda pointless |
| 06:06.02 | cammoblammo | When I use flash the sound seems to buffer for a minute or two, then play back all at once at a much faster rate. Other users on this system don't have this problem. Any ideas what's wrong? |
| 06:06.03 | jelly-hme | superlinux: it's already been done, google ramzswap |
| 06:06.15 | superlinux | but still can let you run more applications, isn't? |
| 06:06.58 | flaarg | superlinux: compare the cost of upgrading your cpu vs upgrading your ram. if you already have a modern computer with enough cores to do what you want you probably have enough ram for normal usage |
| 06:07.23 | jelly-hme | flaarg: not all linux installations are on workstations or servers. |
| 06:07.40 | flaarg | jelly-hme: I agree, but on a system with 4+ cores, they usually have 2GB+ ram |
| 06:07.45 | superlinux | true, jelly-hme |
| 06:08.14 | superlinux | the idea came while playing on my nokia phone |
| 06:08.26 | jelly-hme | !compcache |
| 06:08.26 | dpkg | The compcache project creates a RAM based block device (named ramzswap) which acts as swap disk. Pages swapped to this disk are compressed and stored in memory itself. <ITP> compcache-tools filed as Debian bug #495386. http://code.google.com/p/compcache/ |
| 06:09.17 | superlinux | i wanted to browse browse the internet, and I have on such phones only 40MB RAM |
| 06:09.35 | superlinux | 18M where already used |
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| 06:10.54 | superlinux | IBM made a 5GHz CPU lately cos of the pressure on the banking servers |
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| 06:18.21 | superlinux | jelly-hme, I have downloaded and compiled the compcache. but it's giving me a warning about "jobserver" , how can I get it? |
| 06:18.47 | jelly-hme | superlinux: I have not used it. |
| 06:19.06 | superlinux | it compiled perfectly on lenny |
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| 07:11.02 | superlinux | guys?! what is the name of the linux software that can control the phone from PC? |
| 07:12.09 | newsense | modem driver ? |
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| 07:18.11 | superlinux | newsense, no |
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| 07:18.38 | superlinux | I mean to make true control.. like move the pointer |
| 07:18.54 | superlinux | run applications |
| 07:18.58 | superlinux | ..etc |
| 07:19.19 | superlinux | a VNC for symbian |
| 07:19.30 | superlinux | that's what i should be looking for |
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| 07:50.44 | tdn | Is there any way to sort the output of du -sh? I know I can do: du -sm | sort -n, but is there any way to sort human readable sizes? I can not find anything on this in the man page of 'sort'. |
| 07:52.40 | cast | unrelated, when trying to work out where all my disk has gone i quite like xdiskusage :) |
| 07:52.46 | newsense | maybe with sed or awk |
| 07:52.58 | newsense | not with sort |
| 07:54.44 | tdn | newsense, ok. |
| 07:54.59 | tdn | cast, I do not have X on this machine. |
| 07:55.09 | cast | du -sm *|sort -k 1 -n |
| 07:55.09 | tdn | cast, anything similar for console? |
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| 07:55.24 | newsense | du |
| 07:55.39 | tdn | As I said before, I currently use: du -sm | sort -n |
| 07:55.46 | tdn | But I would like human readable sizes. |
| 07:56.00 | cast | mmm, my bad. was experimenting |
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| 07:56.27 | superlinux | newsense, i found what I want. this is the link of the software: http://symvnc.sourceforge.net/ .. AWESOME! |
| 07:56.54 | superlinux | I can control my PC this way |
| 07:57.02 | newsense | cool |
| 07:57.30 | newsense | i wasn't sure what exactly you were looking for, glad you found it |
| 07:57.35 | superlinux | by the way.. just for once.. return the year on your phone to year 2007 |
| 07:57.54 | superlinux | cos the software is old |
| 07:58.05 | cast | tdn: i am uniquely skilled at reading only fragments of what people say ^_^ |
| 07:58.12 | superlinux | certificate already expired |
| 07:58.15 | tdn | cast, hehe. |
| 07:59.18 | cast | i only found out today ls has it's own sort options, though not for directory sizes |
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| 08:42.16 | joshsmith | I'm trying to figure out how to change a user's permissions...seems the user does not have perms to delete a dir |
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| 08:42.41 | Internat | you need write access on the parent directory.. |
| 08:44.49 | Vutral | bla |
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| 08:44.54 | Vutral | i hate this |
| 08:45.01 | joshsmith | Internat: so I need to set the group access to write? and recursively, too? |
| 08:45.07 | Vutral | why dont they care about things like tunneling udp over dccp |
| 08:45.34 | Internat | no |
| 08:45.38 | Internat | well maybe |
| 08:45.49 | joshsmith | Internat: wow, I had to 777 to get it to work |
| 08:45.57 | joshsmith | dies |
| 08:46.14 | sdschulze | Don't forget the "execute" permission on directories. |
| 08:46.22 | sdschulze | I doubt you need 777. |
| 08:46.57 | joshsmith | sdschulze: I doubt it, too, but it wasn't working even on 757 |
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| 08:47.16 | sdschulze | What about 775? |
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| 08:47.38 | joshsmith | I'll try it. atm I can't even get the server to stay up |
| 08:47.50 | sdschulze | What's wrong with it? |
| 08:47.55 | joshsmith | I'm running a Hudson CI server |
| 08:48.03 | joshsmith | and it's crashing consistently when I try to run builds |
| 08:48.19 | joshsmith | and its error.log gives me...nothing! |
| 08:48.24 | joshsmith | nothing at all to work with |
| 08:49.04 | sdschulze | Unprivileged operation is not supposed to be able to crash anything at all. |
| 08:49.20 | obarb | hey guys, I need to get a Debian ISO with full text only install, prefarably on one or two CD's. I ask this for my son who can't connect himself right now. |
| 08:49.22 | joshsmith | I'd love to know why it's doing it |
| 08:49.35 | joshsmith | builds were happening just fine before |
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| 08:50.30 | joshsmith | when I try to restart Hudson, I also sometimes get: Restarting Hudson Continuous Integration Server: hudsondaemon: no process killed failed! |
| 08:50.53 | sdschulze | I've no idea what Hudson is, sorry. |
| 08:51.47 | sdschulze | Is it a box on your desk, a web service, a piece of software? |
| 08:51.47 | joshsmith | np |
| 08:51.55 | joshsmith | it's a Java servlet |
| 08:52.18 | joshsmith | supposed to be a nice little continuous integration server |
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| 08:57.33 | djura-san | moin \o_ |
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| 09:01.27 | sdschulze | I usually avoid Java whenever I can... |
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| 09:03.27 | djura-san | Hm why there is no nvidia-glx 96xx drivers for squeeze? THat driver is suported by X server in testing. I know that many people may say that our old cards are not used in #d anymore but i must say that we can still play games or watch low quality flash videos in fullscren... |
| 09:03.32 | djura-san | *screen |
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| 09:04.39 | mattfury | hi again |
| 09:04.56 | mattfury | im trying to compile wine |
| 09:05.00 | mattfury | and i get |
| 09:05.01 | mattfury | configure: error: Cannot build a 32-bit program, you need to install 32-bit development libraries. |
| 09:05.43 | mattfury | after i configure |
| 09:06.15 | djura-san | mattfury: are you using 64bit sys or what? |
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| 09:06.37 | mattfury | djura-san, amd64 |
| 09:06.49 | sdschulze | djura-san: Weird, yes. |
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| 09:07.17 | sdschulze | djura-san: as they're there for lenny and sid |
| 09:07.29 | djura-san | yeah, you have to dl 64bit wine and use del libs for that platform.. |
| 09:07.32 | djura-san | *dev |
| 09:08.03 | mattfury | so aptitude get what? |
| 09:08.33 | djura-san | Hm, im not sure :\ |
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| 09:10.02 | sdschulze | djura-san: What about downloading the soerce package from lenny and compiling it yourself? |
| 09:10.24 | sdschulze | or from sid |
| 09:10.45 | djura-san | maybe, i dont know. I never tried sdschulze :| |
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| 09:11.27 | sdschulze | might be worth a try |
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| 09:15.21 | sdschulze | djura-san: You know how to do this? |
| 09:15.38 | djura-san | No |
| 09:15.40 | djura-san | sry |
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| 09:16.37 | sdschulze | Figure out the packages you want. |
| 09:17.03 | sdschulze | go to http://packages.debian.org |
| 09:17.09 | djura-san | sdschulze: wait, are you talking about 64bit wine or nvidia drivers? |
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| 09:17.19 | sdschulze | nvidia |
| 09:17.23 | djura-san | ah ,that |
| 09:18.48 | djura-san | well i have binaries on my pc so i can try to install them but i was just pointing out that that driver can be used still in many things so... Nouveau has no 3D atm so i cant use it to learn blender nor watch flash animations (yeah, flash is crap but sometimes you must use it to get something done or just to play some games) |
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| 09:29.33 | sdschulze | djura-san: You sometimes have to recompile if there are nasty binary dependencies. |
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| 09:31.17 | djura-san | i see... I will check out since this is like last fuctional version of driver... I think that nvidia will not make any new versions for 96xx series... |
| 09:31.57 | djura-san | which is okay since my Gf4ti will be replaced by the end of the year ^.^ |
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| 09:32.54 | sdschulze | I'm quite confident about this, as they're in sid... |
| 09:33.50 | djura-san | yeah, i used it in sid before i installed testing |
| 09:34.09 | djura-san | but that was at the begining of the year :\ |
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| 09:39.37 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
| 09:40.16 | ShapeShifter499 | my ipod touch shows up on the desktop like its mounted but no music apps can access it, why? |
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| 09:40.33 | nsadmin | *shrug* ask apple |
| 09:40.37 | ShapeShifter499 | *the desktop and in computer |
| 09:41.10 | ShapeShifter499 | nsadmin, I can access it using sudo ifuse ~/mnt/ipod |
| 09:41.27 | cahoot | ShapeShifter499: not even root can access the files? |
| 09:41.31 | ShapeShifter499 | but that requires the music apps to run ass root |
| 09:41.35 | ShapeShifter499 | *as |
| 09:41.46 | ShapeShifter499 | cahoot, ya |
| 09:41.50 | nsadmin | permission issue. |
| 09:41.53 | cahoot | change the mount options - perhaps umask00 |
| 09:41.55 | ShapeShifter499 | cahoot, root has access |
| 09:42.01 | cahoot | change the mount options - perhaps umask=0 |
| 09:42.03 | ShapeShifter499 | cahoot, how? |
| 09:42.14 | cahoot | gconf-editor |
| 09:42.20 | nsadmin | first, learn the unix permission system |
| 09:42.42 | ShapeShifter499 | well I no somethings like chown and chmod |
| 09:42.46 | cahoot | isn't it vfat? |
| 09:43.04 | ShapeShifter499 | ya I think |
| 09:43.08 | cahoot | then unix perms are invalid? |
| 09:43.24 | ShapeShifter499 | it was originally synced in a windows environment |
| 09:43.42 | ShapeShifter499 | cahoot, idk |
| 09:43.55 | cahoot | then unix perms are invalid |
| 09:44.56 | ShapeShifter499 | ok I've got gconf-editor up now what? |
| 09:45.30 | ShapeShifter499 | oh this ipod is also jailbroken |
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| 09:45.46 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:45.52 | ShapeShifter499 | so shouldn't debian have even an easier time connecting? |
| 09:46.25 | ShapeShifter499 | cahoot, there is no storage suboption |
| 09:46.30 | cahoot | connecting doesn't seem to be a problem |
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| 09:49.41 | ShapeShifter499 | cahoot, hmm |
| 09:50.10 | ShapeShifter499 | its driving me nuts that I have to run as root to sync to my ipod |
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| 09:51.37 | Vutral | mount -o help |
| 09:51.49 | Vutral | or mount -t vfat --help |
| 09:52.20 | Vutral | or write a nice udev rule or so |
| 09:52.28 | ShapeShifter499 | well I have |
| 09:52.36 | ShapeShifter499 | wait |
| 09:52.50 | themill | ShapeShifter499: do you have an entry in fstab for this device or are you letting a desktop automounter deal with it for you? |
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| 09:53.51 | ShapeShifter499 | this is my udev rule(all lines in one file) for my ipod http://pastebin.com/GwQq608C |
| 09:54.08 | Vutral | ^^ |
| 09:54.15 | sdschulze | I don't have any i* device, but AFAIK, you cannot access it like a normal USB stick. |
| 09:54.19 | ShapeShifter499 | themill, this is the real first time messing with this in linux at all |
| 09:54.38 | Vutral | mtp works |
| 09:54.47 | Vutral | or fuse |
| 09:54.50 | ShapeShifter499 | normally a new device just "works" but not muh ipod D: |
| 09:54.52 | Vutral | there are packages for it |
| 09:55.06 | ShapeShifter499 | I got ifuse working but |
| 09:55.16 | ShapeShifter499 | I HAVE TO RUN EVERYTHING IN ROOT |
| 09:55.19 | ShapeShifter499 | UGH |
| 09:55.23 | sdschulze | Just don't buy Apple stuff. </rant> |
| 09:55.24 | Vutral | you need a automounter |
| 09:55.28 | Vutral | or vfs support for guse |
| 09:55.30 | Vutral | fuse |
| 09:55.34 | Vutral | use gvfs |
| 09:55.35 | Vutral | ^^ |
| 09:56.22 | ShapeShifter499 | well I can see and edit the files from the automounted part but no music app can find my ipod |
| 09:56.42 | ShapeShifter499 | so I can't nicely add music to my device |
| 09:56.49 | Vutral | ^lol |
| 09:57.07 | Vutral | maybe you need to add the path ^^ |
| 09:58.03 | ShapeShifter499 | it doesn't have a path |
| 09:58.14 | Vutral | sure it does |
| 09:58.16 | ShapeShifter499 | at least not one I can see |
| 09:58.20 | Vutral | you just dont know it as it seems |
| 09:58.39 | ShapeShifter499 | how do I find the path? |
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| 09:58.48 | Vutral | look at the hidden directories |
| 09:58.54 | ShapeShifter499 | maybe I'm doin it wrong |
| 09:58.59 | ShapeShifter499 | where? |
| 09:59.03 | Vutral | ls -al ~ |
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| 09:59.07 | ShapeShifter499 | home directory |
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| 10:00.12 | ShapeShifter499 | not seeing anything |
| 10:00.16 | ShapeShifter499 | new |
| 10:00.30 | Vutral | is it mounted ? |
| 10:01.08 | Vutral | if the automount is active you can look |
| 10:01.10 | Vutral | in /proc/mounts |
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| 10:02.01 | ShapeShifter499 | ok now it wont auto mount |
| 10:02.19 | ShapeShifter499 | nether will ifuse |
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| 10:02.38 | SOUL_OF_R00T | nice day to all |
| 10:03.00 | ShapeShifter499 | Vutral, UGH I'll reboot |
| 10:03.04 | ShapeShifter499 | brb |
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| 10:15.30 | ShapeShifter499 | Vutral, fuse seems to be mounting something but idk |
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| 10:15.58 | ShapeShifter499 | Vutral, fusectl /sys/fs/fuse/connections fusectl rw,relatime 0 0 |
| 10:16.30 | ShapeShifter499 | Vutral, but that location is not my ipod tho |
| 10:16.36 | Vutral | lol |
| 10:16.51 | Vutral | cat /sys/fs/fuse/connections |
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| 10:17.29 | ShapeShifter499 | Vutral, um cat: /sys/fs/fuse/connections: Is a directory |
| 10:17.37 | Vutral | ls- |
| 10:17.42 | Vutral | ^^ |
| 10:17.49 | Vutral | whats in it |
| 10:18.04 | ShapeShifter499 | just 4 files idk what they r |
| 10:18.13 | Vutral | mhm |
| 10:18.16 | ShapeShifter499 | and no directories |
| 10:18.18 | Vutral | strange |
| 10:18.55 | ShapeShifter499 | its like my ipod is automounted but to nowhere |
| 10:19.19 | Vutral | itsmounted somewhere |
| 10:21.06 | ShapeShifter499 | Vutral, /proc/mounts ----> http://pastebin.com/bMSumTz6 |
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| 10:22.42 | Vutral | whats /dev/sdc |
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| 10:23.15 | ShapeShifter499 | flash drive or external drive thats connected |
| 10:23.17 | ecksun | on the matter of fuse, is it possible to mount a fuse fs as a normal user in /etc/fstab, Im trying to get sshfs to use my public key file |
| 10:23.35 | Vutral | ls -al /media or so |
| 10:24.05 | Vutral | fusesmb works as user ^^ |
| 10:24.28 | SOUL_OF_R00T | anybody can tell me about functioning crda confs for brasilian users my wireless could not up here the module cfg80211 do not receive response on a call to crda server, any advice i thanks |
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| 10:24.32 | Vutral | you can always add the option user in fstab |
| 10:24.40 | Vutral | to allow users mount it |
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| 10:24.52 | ecksun | Vutral, okay, sounds interesting |
| 10:25.13 | ecksun | man fstab to read more? :) |
| 10:25.25 | Vutral | third field ^^ |
| 10:25.34 | ecksun | :) |
| 10:25.41 | ecksun | thank you |
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| 10:26.06 | Vutral | or fourth ^^ |
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| 10:26.25 | ShapeShifter499 | Vutral, http://pastebin.com/KkWTwaYv |
| 10:27.26 | Vutral | bal |
| 10:27.32 | Vutral | is your ipod mounted ? |
| 10:27.38 | ecksun | Vutral, hold on, its user=xun? |
| 10:27.41 | Vutral | you have to keep the mount window open maybe |
| 10:27.57 | Vutral | ecksun ? |
| 10:28.06 | Vutral | there is a field where options are |
| 10:28.10 | Vutral | mount options ^^ |
| 10:28.10 | ecksun | yes, i know |
| 10:28.24 | Vutral | defaults,user |
| 10:28.28 | Vutral | or defaults,noauto,user |
| 10:28.31 | Vutral | ^^ |
| 10:28.44 | ecksun | yes, ut how should mount know what user should mount it? |
| 10:28.47 | ecksun | but* |
| 10:28.59 | Vutral | if you write user=xun you probably set the uid |
| 10:29.03 | Vutral | for the mounted fs |
| 10:29.13 | Vutral | read the manpag |
| 10:29.19 | ecksun | yes, thats what Im doing |
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| 10:29.25 | ecksun | and i couldnt find any options for that option |
| 10:29.26 | ecksun | so to speak |
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| 10:29.57 | Vutral | man 8 mount |
| 10:29.58 | Vutral | or so |
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| 10:30.05 | ecksun | yes |
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| 10:31.27 | wrksx | Hi, I try to set the umask to 002 for users connecting throught sftp. Do you know how this can be done ? |
| 10:31.53 | foetus | is here |
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| 10:32.58 | foetus | brought itself to the highest score of curiosity in this channel |
| 10:34.41 | foetus | sorry for the yesterdays brainstorming at this channel. |
| 10:36.04 | ShapeShifter499 | Vutral, where do afc mount? |
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| 10:38.19 | foetus | got his proftpd working, message that proftpd doesn't work with the actual release of debian is fully objectless, proftpd is working like a charme with 5.0.6 |
| 10:40.07 | foetus | feels ashamed now :-! |
| 10:41.44 | stew | wrksx: what do you want the default umask to be for ssh users? is 002 ok? |
| 10:42.09 | foetus | for the other guys - be aware from this masquerading feature of proftpd, its a hazardous game. |
| 10:42.37 | wrksx | stew, yes but I thought there were a difference beetween ssh and sftp |
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| 10:45.15 | foetus | ok, have to do something..till later |
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| 10:46.28 | stew | wrksx: oh, hmm, it does seem to be different, I was thinking you could enforce a umask with pam_env, but it doesn't seem so |
| 10:46.29 | Vutral | lol |
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| 10:47.28 | wrksx | stew, sh*t. found this http://www.freak-search.com/de/thread/451012/bug539030_openssh-server_unpredictable_umask_for_remote_users_depending_on_umask_during_restart |
| 10:47.32 | stew | wrksx: i suppose you could wrap the sftp server in a script if you are using the external sftp server, if you are using the internal sftp server, i don't know |
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| 10:47.55 | wrksx | stew, I'll check this out |
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| 10:51.45 | debiantonio | wrksx: http://www.itd.umich.edu/ssh/ |
| 10:52.12 | wrksx | debiantonio, thx seems intersting |
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| 10:53.14 | ShapeShifter499 | bangs head on table a bunch of times |
| 10:53.20 | ShapeShifter499 | DAM YOU IPOD |
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| 10:54.20 | wrksx | debiantonio, why did you send me this link ? there's nothing to learn out there ! |
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| 10:55.10 | Led_Zeppelin | anyone here try out ceph? |
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| 10:58.02 | debiantonio | wrksx: :s |
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| 10:58.38 | micols | some sudo experts here? how do i disable logging for only one command for a user? |
| 10:58.54 | micols | it keeps logging to syslog every second with sudo tail -f /var/log/syslog |
| 10:59.48 | micols | guess i will just put the user in 'adm' grp, but wondered if that was possible with sudo to disable log like that |
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| 11:03.08 | stew | micols: i think: Defaults!CMND_ALIS !syslog |
| 11:03.22 | stew | where CMND_ALIS is the alis or command you want to disable logging for |
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| 11:04.52 | Posterdati | hi |
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| 11:05.48 | Posterdati | please I need help for squeeze, kde4 and application launcher menu: some programs/menus haven't got an icon, but on kde3 they have, how can I fix that? |
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| 11:14.06 | wrksx | what irc command to check the history ? |
| 11:14.32 | liable | lastlog |
| 11:15.16 | wrksx | thx |
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| 11:32.54 | erry | Is logrotate supposed to use a lot of cpu\? |
| 11:33.52 | cwickert | anybody from the security team around? why is Debian not affected by http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2009-4996 ? *all* versions of xfce4-session have the problem (while I doubt this is a vulnerability) |
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| 11:51.43 | Digdilem | erry, it can when it calls gzip |
| 11:52.13 | erry | :( |
| 11:52.23 | erry | the #compress line is commented out tho |
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| 12:09.59 | mattfury | hello |
| 12:10.12 | mattfury | so when i run aptitude build-dep wine |
| 12:10.26 | mattfury | i get http://pastebin.ca/1938802 |
| 12:10.57 | mattfury | are my sources list borked? |
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| 12:18.32 | nsadmin | why are you building wine |
| 12:18.50 | mattfury | so i can get directx10 to work |
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| 12:18.59 | outlaw84 | In recent kde versions (debian 4.4.5) a new feature seams to have been introduced that allows applications to prevent the desktop/computer from shuting down. Knotification tells me "Program X has stopped the shutdown/logut", how do I disable this? |
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| 12:27.46 | juhaj | thinks he just found a 0 day root hole in Debian... |
| 12:29.57 | ix | aha? |
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| 12:30.59 | Kuifje111 | hello all. I have a problem with rtorrent and accents. rtorrent cannot read filenames with an accent in it, e.g. when I have the file "À example.flac" rtorrent will create the file "À example.flac". In case both the titles are the same for you in IRC you can look at the difference here: http://rtorrent.pastebin.com/a0FkBxWT |
| 12:31.41 | juhaj | ix: Well, I can only confirm that it works on my laptop |
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| 12:32.00 | Kuifje111 | juhaj: you mean a kernel exploit? |
| 12:38.53 | juhaj | Kuifje111: Nope. |
| 12:39.38 | Kuifje111 | juhaj: or do you mean "sudo su"? |
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| 12:40.32 | juhaj | Kuifje111: What the heck are you talking about? |
| 12:41.22 | Kuifje111 | juhaj: never mind. have fun with your 1337 0day exploit. |
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| 12:42.43 | juhaj | Kuifje111: I certainly will not. While it requires some not-so-common conditions to be exploitable, it affects all the systems I administer myself, so it is not fun at all. |
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| 12:43.47 | qwd | Can I use ls (or anything else) to show the permissions of all the parent folders? |
| 12:44.17 | neoice | ls -l |
| 12:44.23 | juhaj | qwd: What do you mean by "all" parent folders? A given folder has exactle one parent folder |
| 12:44.27 | juhaj | exactly |
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| 12:44.54 | juhaj | qwd: Do you mean parent and its parent and its parent etc? |
| 12:44.58 | qwd | juhaj: the parent folder of that folder, and so on |
| 12:45.10 | juhaj | neoice: That will not show parent's permissions |
| 12:45.17 | baz | any decent hardware testing tools out there? I think I have some kind of weird hw I/O issue |
| 12:45.28 | neoice | -al |
| 12:45.35 | baz | any time I copy files over the network, they get corrupted |
| 12:45.35 | neoice | you can see .. |
| 12:45.42 | baz | but SSH/SCP reports no errors |
| 12:45.50 | Digdilem | baz, try stress |
| 12:45.54 | juhaj | qwd: Ouch. ls -ld . will show parent's permissions, but you need to script a little to climb up the treee |
| 12:46.22 | qwd | juhaj: alright, thanks! |
| 12:46.32 | baz | Digdilem: thanks, I will |
| 12:46.42 | juhaj | neoice: ls -al shows quite a bit more than parent's permissions, which can be quite annoying if you have, say, 1000000 files in the directory |
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| 12:48.59 | mms_ | I would like to create dvd image and store on hdd instead of copy to another dvd. what software to use ? I don't want nero as it costs. |
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| 12:50.25 | baz | Digdilem: hmm, my computer passes those tests, seems network-specific |
| 12:50.25 | gps23 | mms_: growisofs? |
| 12:50.35 | baz | thing is, I have tried 2 different NICs, with the same results |
| 12:50.36 | baz | bizarre |
| 12:51.12 | Digdilem | baz, you can tune stress to hammer specific things. with io i managed to get a system load of 900 the other week |
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| 12:51.23 | Digdilem | i was quietly impressed with that |
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| 12:53.05 | baz | Digdilem: I see 3 options - cpu, io, vm |
| 12:53.12 | baz | Didgilem: I don't see one for network |
| 12:53.18 | Frantic | hey guys, any idea where I could find a Lenny AMI with EBS-based root? |
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| 12:54.31 | Frantic | I'm new to amazon's EC2 and looking to install a development machine with Lenny, but I can't find any AMIs with EBS-based storage :( |
| 12:54.44 | baz | Didgilem: sorry, there is an hdd option too, but I specifically need to test network corruption, cos that's what I am seeing |
| 12:54.55 | baz | I swapped NICs, changed ports on router, changed network cable, no effect |
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| 12:55.52 | petemc | baz: try using rsync, see if it finds any problems |
| 12:56.27 | baz | petemc: rsync "successfully" transfers the files, but the destination is corrupt |
| 12:56.55 | baz | petemc: I just tested copying the same file across with scp, rsync, etc, I get no errors at CLI but the destination is always broken, always differently (md5sum) |
| 12:57.22 | petemc | baz: what about just copying files from one place to another on the destination box |
| 12:57.38 | baz | petemc: That seems to work fine, so this is a network-specific thing, although I need to do more testing on that |
| 12:58.24 | baz | petemc: aha, with a large file (30Mb), that fails too, or at least the md5sum checksums are different. hmmmmmmm. |
| 12:58.30 | petemc | odd that rysnc should say the file is fine when you say it isnt, its supposed to check these things |
| 12:58.33 | baz | so maybe it's a hard drive error? |
| 12:58.40 | baz | petemc: I agree, I was disappointed too :) |
| 12:59.18 | baz | ok, small files copy ok, but copying large files onto the same partition or another partition generates an imperfect copy, with no warnings or errors |
| 12:59.38 | baz | I'm currently running from a CD-ROM so we can discount a corrupted Linux installation |
| 13:00.28 | baz | either way I guess I need to buy new hardware, just wish I knew which part |
| 13:01.27 | gps23 | baz: to know which part, try transfering from source to a third system and then from third system to destination. see where corruption occurs |
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| 13:02.21 | baz | no 3rd system here, just the sick debian box and a mac laptop which I'm on now |
| 13:02.28 | petemc | baz: try running memtest on the problem box, also if the disks support it, smart |
| 13:02.43 | baz | petemc: already ran memtest overnight, no errors, that was my first guess |
| 13:02.57 | baz | petemc: box has 2x SATA drives in it, seems both are writing corrupt files but not reporting this |
| 13:03.13 | petemc | tried different kernels? |
| 13:04.24 | baz | petemc: yup, tried various debian, ubuntu, I'm on a gentoo-derived system rescue CD at the moment |
| 13:04.36 | baz | smartctl says both my drives are just fine and dandy |
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| 13:04.51 | petemc | what filesystem is it? |
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| 13:05.12 | baz | tested ext2 and ext3 but can try others if you like |
| 13:05.41 | gps23 | baz: tried changing the network cable? |
| 13:06.02 | baz | gps23: yes, and the network card, and the router |
| 13:06.13 | baz | never seen anything like it |
| 13:07.12 | juhaj | baz, petemc: rsync, by default, does not compute hashes or check contents of files, it only looks at creation times, sizes etc |
| 13:07.14 | qwd | How can I show info about a user? That is, where the shell is, where the home directory is, what permissions and anything else |
| 13:07.40 | gps23 | baz: 1 thing more, just a pretty wild guess, check there isn't something that could disrupt the electrical signals flowing the wire. please don't abuse :p |
| 13:07.49 | gps23 | ..me |
| 13:08.10 | baz | juhaj: ah, so there is an option to check? I'll try that |
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| 13:08.28 | baz | gps23: both computers are on the same power grid, and my system voltages look normal (in BIOS screen) |
| 13:08.31 | gps23 | baz: like some strong magnetics equiment lying nearby |
| 13:09.02 | juhaj | baz, petemc: Hm.. Forget that: rsync's manual claims that any trasferred file is always md5 checked. |
| 13:09.50 | baz | juhaj: I guess it checks in RAM before it has written to disk? cos I transfer a known-working archive, and it has one md5sum at source, and another on destination, where I can't uncompress it becuase the file is corrupt |
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| 13:11.40 | baz | juhaj: in fact, I ran rsync several times on the same one file - every time, it ran successfully with no errors, and the destination file had a different md5sum each time |
| 13:11.57 | juhaj | baz: I do not know. Try a file whose size > RAM, so it cannot do that. =) But if your harddisc corrupts data, I would be very surprised your system is stable - or is the system on another disc? |
| 13:12.52 | qwd | Hi, I'm trying to setup openssh-server for sftp only and login with public keys, but I can't connect. I've included (what I believe is) all the necessary info here: http://debian.pastebin.com/XVh4fq7z I'd really appreciate it if someone could take a look and see if I'm doing anything wrong. |
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| 13:13.28 | baz | juhaj: I am currently booted from a DVD (so read-only file system), and it's perfectly stable. I just can't copy any files anywhere without them being corrupted on the way. |
| 13:14.02 | baz | clearly I have a hardware problem, I ran memtest86+ with no errors, just wish we had cputest86+ and motherboardtest86+ so I knew what to replace :) |
| 13:14.05 | juhaj | qwd: Permissions of files in .ssh look wrong to me. |
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| 13:14.24 | qwd | juhaj: how come? shouldn't they just be readable? |
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| 13:14.32 | juhaj | qwd: And you *can* connect, you can *not* authenticate |
| 13:14.45 | juhaj | qwd: Yes, by owner and owner only |
| 13:14.58 | juhaj | qwd: Same for the directory |
| 13:15.02 | qwd | juhaj: I will try that |
| 13:15.05 | baz | qwd: .ssh should be chmod 700, and the files inside should be chmod 600 |
| 13:16.55 | qwd | baz: you're sure they should be writable? wouldn't that allow someone who logs in to edit the authorized_keys file which would let them decide if anyone else is allowed? |
| 13:17.19 | baz | qws: writeable only by their owner |
| 13:17.29 | baz | er, qwd: see above :) |
| 13:18.09 | qwd | baz: but the owner is the user sftp, shouldn't that be the owner? |
| 13:20.06 | qwd | baz: I tried setting it up like you wrote, but same problem. And it's not solved by making the files belong to my normal user either. |
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| 13:21.45 | baz | qwd: uh, there should be one file per user, no? ~foo/.ssh/ is chowned foo, chmod 700, ~bar/.ssh/ is chowned bar, chmod 700? |
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| 13:23.40 | r4tune | Your /lib/lsb/init-functions is completely broken |
| 13:23.46 | r4tune | it contains a lot of stuff which isn't in LSB |
| 13:24.08 | r4tune | now programs are relying on functions which LSB compliant platforms don't provide because you put stuff in there you shouldn't have |
| 13:24.11 | r4tune | BUG |
| 13:24.17 | r4tune | and breaking LSB :/ |
| 13:24.39 | qwd | baz: not sure I'm folliwing but from what I remember from my previously functioning setup (which I unfortunately forgot to write up a guide for) all parent folders should be owned by root to lock the user inside it's home folder. then the .ssh folder and its contents should belong to sftp user |
| 13:24.44 | r4tune | http://refspecs.freestandards.org/LSB_3.2.0/LSB-Core-generic/LSB-Core-generic/iniscrptfunc.html |
| 13:24.48 | r4tune | http://refspecs.freestandards.org/LSB_4.0.0/LSB-Core-generic/LSB-Core-generic/iniscrptfunc.html |
| 13:25.04 | r4tune | You've got a zillion functions which are not specified |
| 13:25.16 | gyzmo84 | Where can I submit a bug report concerning xhci_hcd ? |
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| 13:27.47 | baz | qwd: never heard of anybody doing it like that before |
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| 13:29.59 | qwd | baz: here's one guide for it http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/590 I don't remember if this was the one I used before though. |
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| 13:32.02 | fat-lobyte | Hello, I have an ATI graphics card and want to use 3D acceleration. Is it possibly to achieve this with the open source driver (xserver-xorg-video-radeon) instead of the proprietary (fglrx) driver? |
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| 13:32.35 | rousing | hi |
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| 13:35.46 | fat-lobyte | and why do I get a segfault when running glxinfo? |
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| 13:45.45 | stew | fat-lobyte: which chipset do ou have? |
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| 13:46.25 | fat-lobyte | Radeon HD3470 |
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| 14:16.30 | qwd | Could my openssh problem be that the drive is encrypted so the user sftp can't read it? |
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| 14:17.02 | bint | hi there |
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| 14:20.06 | syn4pse | hilo |
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| 14:20.47 | syn4pse | wheneven i´m trying to change the rootpassword on this server here I get the following: |
| 14:20.47 | syn4pse | passwd: Authentication token manipulation error |
| 14:20.47 | syn4pse | passwd: password unchanged |
| 14:20.58 | syn4pse | i am logged in as root |
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| 14:22.48 | Posterdati | plerase |
| 14:22.51 | Posterdati | please help |
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| 14:22.57 | cheasee | ive got a lucent 015219 pci->pcmcia adapter for my pcmcia wireless card, either i dont understand something or why dont i see that device in lspci? and my wifi card also not? lspci: http://pastebin.com/5B87yKcP |
| 14:23.08 | cheasee | but i could load some modules like yenta |
| 14:23.43 | Posterdati | I'm running kde4 (squeeze) on invidia card and I get black screen after closing a graphic program, machine still working as I can switch from console and I can move the graphic cursor |
| 14:24.32 | cheasee | Posterdati, try restarting x? |
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| 14:24.46 | Posterdati | cheasee: works, but I lost the session |
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| 14:29.34 | Posterdati | cheasee: any hint? |
| 14:29.51 | cheasee | dunno sorry |
| 14:30.08 | cheasee | squeeze is testing ;) |
| 14:32.52 | qwd | Ok, I did chmod 700 for the .ssh folder and chmod 600 for the authorized_keys file, then I tried connecting again and it asked for my password! I gave it the password but now this: http://debian.pastebin.com/uW0b4Xec |
| 14:35.54 | Posterdati | cheasee: squeeze is the next release and it is frozen now! |
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| 14:36.28 | cheasee | Posterdati, well true its the next release but tough still not defined as stable ;) |
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| 14:38.25 | flami | Hey , i got some bind mounts in /etc/fstab, but they werent mounted on bootup. when I type mount -a they get mounted just fine. Any hints on where I could start investigating the issue? |
| 14:38.57 | cahoot | dmesg and/or bootlog? |
| 14:40.35 | themill | qwd: the permissions at both ends are relevant. /msg dpkg ssh permissions; Testing with ssh rather than sftp might (or might not) provide more information. Also /msg dpkg sshd debug |
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| 14:40.58 | mohamed-ragab | hi all i have Errors when install vim use "apt-get install vim" get error "You might want to run `apt-get -f install' when run get "Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 14:40.58 | mohamed-ragab | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:40.58 | mohamed-ragab | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" |
| 14:41.10 | mohamed-ragab | what can i do ? |
| 14:41.17 | syn4pse | apt-get -f install |
| 14:41.30 | syn4pse | like it tells you to |
| 14:41.30 | syn4pse | ;) |
| 14:41.59 | syn4pse | oh |
| 14:42.00 | themill | mohamed-ragab: sticking the entire output into a pastebin might be more useful too. And using aptitude rather than apt-get is more likely to help you solve these problems. |
| 14:42.03 | syn4pse | i think i understood that wrong |
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| 14:42.43 | syn4pse | so after running apt-get -f install you get further errores mohamed ? |
| 14:43.30 | eikenberry | Anyone know how to display a hard drive's standby timeout as set by hdparm -S? |
| 14:43.36 | mohamed-ragab | syn4pse, yes "dpkg: regarding .../libc-bin_2.11.2-2_i386.deb containing libc-bin: |
| 14:43.36 | mohamed-ragab | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:43.36 | mohamed-ragab | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libc-bin_2.11.2-2_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 14:43.37 | mohamed-ragab | " |
| 14:43.37 | dpkg | mohamed-ragab: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 14:44.25 | syn4pse | yes |
| 14:44.33 | syn4pse | do as dpkg tells you |
| 14:44.36 | syn4pse | upload all |
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| 14:44.46 | themill | syn4pse: he's not even in the channel at the moment. |
| 14:45.20 | cahoot | eikenberry: hdparm -I isn't the answer? |
| 14:45.26 | dvs | themill: meanie! ;-) |
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| 14:45.38 | eikenberry | cahoot. No. Not displayed with that. |
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| 14:47.51 | syn4pse | themill ups did not see that |
| 14:47.52 | syn4pse | ;) |
| 14:50.12 | bint | where are the logfiles when users try to login via ssh with a wrong passwd? |
| 14:50.28 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:50.38 | bint | no so far i didn't even find the logs |
| 14:50.43 | bint | i'm pretty new on debian.. |
| 14:50.52 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:51.22 | wildc4rd | afternoon all |
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| 14:51.30 | bint | ahh thx cahoot |
| 14:51.31 | bint | thats it |
| 14:51.38 | bint | what does /var/ stand for? |
| 14:51.54 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:52.00 | DogBoy | that's where your variable data goes |
| 14:52.08 | DogBoy | various |
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| 14:52.22 | bint | ah ok |
| 14:52.30 | themill | bint: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#THEVARHIERARCHY |
| 14:53.14 | themill | bint: imagine the situation where /usr is shared across multiple (identical) machines, but each machine needs to have its own location for logs, pid files, cache data etc |
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| 14:54.51 | Wizard | hi |
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| 14:55.14 | Wizard | which CD should I get to install debian 'default desktop'? |
| 14:55.42 | qwd | themill: how do you mean at both ends? I set it up like dpkg ssh permissions said, but still won't work |
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| 14:56.50 | themill | qwd: You only mentioned setting permissions for "the .ssh folder" -- there are two of them that are relevant one on the client, one on the server. |
| 14:57.03 | themill | qwd: same goes for $HOME. |
| 14:57.13 | bint | whats this exactly? my auth.log files are full with these lines |
| 14:57.14 | bint | Sep 8 15:12:01 ks353986 CRON[20700]: pam_unix(cron:session): session opened for user root by (uid=0) |
| 14:57.14 | bint | Sep 8 15:12:01 ks353986 CRON[20700]: pam_unix(cron:session): session closed for user root |
| 14:57.21 | Wizard | hello? |
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| 14:57.54 | dvs | Wizard: CD 1 |
| 14:58.09 | dvs | Wizard: not the netinst or businesscard image |
| 14:58.17 | Wizard | heh, website states it has files necessery for 'base' |
| 14:58.39 | Wizard | netinst is not an option right now, unfortunately |
| 14:58.45 | thewanderer1 | hi, how to send an e-mail in batch mode (from cron, atd, or sth like that)? it's a desktop PC so I don't have a functional MTA |
| 14:58.47 | themill | Wizard: you can end up with exactly the same installation no matter what medium you use. The only difference is when the data is downloaded. |
| 14:58.54 | themill | dpkg: tell thewanderer1 about why an mta |
| 14:59.03 | thewanderer1 | themill: I can not afford an MTA here. |
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| 14:59.10 | themill | eh? |
| 14:59.30 | thewanderer1 | yeah, I can only use an external SMTP server |
| 14:59.32 | themill | Wizard: the netinst has enough on it to install a fully functioning system, btw |
| 14:59.56 | themill | thewanderer1: the MTA only needs to pass the data off to an external SMTP server. That's the normal config to use. |
| 15:00.01 | Wizard | themill: the thing i need is a fully functional *desktop*, with gui, browsers and so on |
| 15:00.10 | Wizard | and it has to be offline install |
| 15:00.15 | Wizard | so? |
| 15:00.16 | themill | Wizard: and that has to all be done offline? |
| 15:00.26 | Wizard | yup |
| 15:00.32 | thewanderer1 | themill: yes, but does that allow me to configure it for users separately? |
| 15:00.45 | dvs | Wizard: that's why it can't be the netinst or businesscard |
| 15:00.45 | Wizard | bascily i need packages installed via tasksel install desktop |
| 15:00.47 | themill | thewanderer1: wth does that mean? |
| 15:00.54 | thewanderer1 | user1 should use joe@gmail.com and user2 would need to send mail from blabla@wp.pl |
| 15:01.00 | themill | Wizard: CD1 *should* have enough but DVD might be safer. |
| 15:01.16 | Wizard | k, i'll get the CD |
| 15:01.25 | Wizard | and look inside first |
| 15:01.48 | dvs | Wizard: if that's not it, get the first DVD |
| 15:02.18 | thewanderer1 | so I basically need to send a mail from an external SMTP server (with authentication) using a script |
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| 15:03.49 | thewanderer1 | well, of course I can come up with a PHP script to do that for me using several libraries... |
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| 15:04.09 | [Jasper] | hej guys |
| 15:04.16 | [Jasper] | how can I install javac and java on debian lenny? |
| 15:04.24 | ansgar | thewanderer1: I think you can configure sender addresses for users in /etc/email-addresses for Exim. Assuming you can use the same relay server for everything. |
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| 15:05.46 | W8TVI | ugh.... people are so helpful on webboards |
| 15:05.53 | thewanderer1 | ansgar: I'd really prefer to 1) not have an MTA (the machine is not always online anyway) 2) be server-independent (be able to choose the relay on the fly) this is not actually a relay because I need to authenticate on the server side using a different username and password, anyway |
| 15:06.04 | dvs | [Jasper]: you need to add the non-free sources in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:06.05 | mohamed-ragab | hi all i have an error http://pastebin.com/a7DEhH22 "# |
| 15:06.05 | mohamed-ragab | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" |
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| 15:06.57 | thewanderer1 | mohamed-ragab: upgrade dpkg first, then the rest |
| 15:06.57 | mobasher | how do i switch from gnome to xfce4 i just ran apt-get install xfce4 and xfce4-goodies |
| 15:07.10 | [Jasper] | dvs whhich sources are those? |
| 15:07.13 | W8TVI | I'm compiling firefox and I get the error " Package dbus-glib-1 was not found in the pkg-config search path. Perhaps you should add the directory containing `dbus-glib-1.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable No package 'dbus-glib-1' found". libdbus-glib-1-2 is already installed. |
| 15:07.14 | thewanderer1 | mobasher: logout, choose xfce4, log in |
| 15:07.23 | mobasher | thewanderer1>> k thx |
| 15:07.50 | thewanderer1 | W8TVI: you need the corresponding -dev package for compiling - it contains headers |
| 15:08.02 | W8TVI | unless there is an easier (read painless) way to install the current version of firefox on Debian Lenny amd64. |
| 15:08.15 | dvs | [Jasper]: add the word "non-free" to the end of the deb line in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:08.15 | thewanderer1 | W8TVI: aptitude install iceweasel ? |
| 15:08.19 | dvs | !non-free |
| 15:08.19 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>, or are encumbered by patents or other legal issues. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 15:08.34 | W8TVI | thewanderer1: uh, no thanks. |
| 15:08.34 | mobasher | thewanderer1>> i don't see an option there |
| 15:08.37 | ansgar | W8TVI: backports.debian.org has 3.5.11-1~bpo50+1 for Lenny. |
| 15:08.40 | dvs | !tell [Jasper] about non-free sources |
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| 15:08.50 | thewanderer1 | mobasher: what display manager? |
| 15:09.50 | thewanderer1 | W8TVI: if you compile that, please do yourself a favor and first build a deb, then install... (checkinstall) |
| 15:09.51 | mobasher | thewanderer1>> i think i got it i can change it thru the login window preferences |
| 15:10.03 | thewanderer1 | mobasher: yeah, sth called "Session" |
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| 15:10.27 | themill | mohamed-ragab: mixing etch and squeeze is a really bad idea.... don't do that. And please don't paste into the channel, use a pastebin (/msg dpkg paste) |
| 15:11.21 | thewanderer1 | W8TVI: most security holes are fixed in stable, though, so about the only reason you would need the newest Firefox is SNS syndrome |
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| 15:12.45 | W8TVI | thewanderer1: I wouldn't call that the only reason. |
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| 15:13.38 | _d9 | hey, is somebody familair with ripperx? |
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| 15:14.06 | foetus | has solved his weird blocked sockets issue in case of passive (PASV) Mode login using ProFTPd :) |
| 15:15.28 | themill | mohamed-ragab: If you want to run squeeze, you need to do this as a two step process -- "/msg dpkg etch->lenny" and then "/msg dpkg lenny->squeeze". It may be that you've already got a mixture of etch and squeeze on that box that would make this hard to do, but it's preferable to do this in two steps than try to ski-upgrade as thewanderer1 was suggesting. |
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| 15:16.06 | foetus | not debian related, definitely. |
| 15:17.28 | foetus | more *curious* related :) |
| 15:17.31 | bint | oh when i'm logged in via ssh (putty) |
| 15:17.34 | bint | and i type "exit*" |
| 15:17.44 | bint | i can usually type it like 100 times before i exit the console |
| 15:17.46 | bint | why that? |
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| 15:18.08 | bint | its kinda like i would have to exit every single dir change |
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| 15:19.29 | foetus | from etch to squeeze? good luck. |
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| 15:21.57 | piklu | hello guys |
| 15:22.00 | piklu | how are you |
| 15:22.09 | piklu | anybody has experience running debian over HyperV |
| 15:22.14 | piklu | does it supports it well ? |
| 15:22.51 | toggle | hi, I have to issues: If I start xdm on my laptop my all I see on the connected external VGA display is the xdm login box and black and white flickering in the background. The box disappears after I login and I only see the flickering. I cannot change anything with xrandr nor with xorg.conf. If I start X via startx everything works normally. |
| 15:23.02 | toggle | s/to/two |
| 15:23.59 | foetus | must rebuild my kernel..must quit maybe, will see.. |
| 15:24.38 | foetus | nonsense..not my day |
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| 15:25.08 | foetus | :) |
| 15:25.16 | toggle | The second thing is that I want to start xdm only on the external screen but if I add Option "Ignore" "true" to the laptop screen section I cannot start X at all because it reports that it found screens but cannot start due to bad configuration |
| 15:25.21 | foetus | forget me |
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| 15:27.23 | toggle | Anyone familiar with this issues? |
| 15:27.46 | LamerC | This is a question about 'git' under Debian 5. When I try to initialize a local repository, I get an error, unable to to copy files from /usr/share/git-core/templates/hooks/... and after checking, the files have 640 permissions. After uninstalling and reinstalling, I get the same thing so I just manually set the permissions 0644 for them to copy over. Is it supposed to have 0640 permissions after installation? |
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| 15:33.09 | themill | LamerC: it doesn't look particularly sensible, no. BTW you might like the newer git package from backports; /msg dpkg bdo |
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| 15:34.10 | foetus | starts compiling 2.6.26-25.. |
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| 15:37.36 | jordanm | foetus: its pre-compiled for you! |
| 15:38.04 | foetus | no! really? :) |
| 15:38.04 | abioticrhyme | I hate asking this here I was just in the Netfilter channel asked my question and no one answered can anyone look at my firewall I am working on and see if I am headed in the right direction with iptables please? |
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| 15:38.37 | foetus | uff |
| 15:39.11 | syn4pse | hmm there are some GUIs to setup iptables easily |
| 15:39.19 | syn4pse | maybe you should try some GUI approach |
| 15:39.35 | abioticrhyme | I know but I want to learn to do them in Debain at CLI |
| 15:39.40 | gps23 | how can i disable gnome's F1 help shortcut? so i can use F1 in other software like vim? |
| 15:39.51 | syn4pse | abioticrhyme then start reading the man file |
| 15:40.39 | abioticrhyme | I have and I created a firewall to go on my laptop I wanted to make sure it was ok before I used was all |
| 15:41.09 | jordanm | I wouldn't recommend learning iptables via the manpages.. there is good stuff on netfilter.org |
| 15:41.14 | foetus | is thinking looks good, no quit required.. |
| 15:41.30 | jordanm | abioticrhyme: its very unlikely your laptop needs one |
| 15:41.59 | jordanm | if you are doing it to learn, that is fine |
| 15:43.00 | foetus | lets enjoy 5.0.6 in half an hour.. |
| 15:43.52 | abioticrhyme | jordanm I connect to a university wireless and believe me I need one the whole network is open and secured by each departments IT which is another reason why I am learning we had a sonicwall die and had to set up a linux box for the day I was lost |
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| 15:49.02 | mohamed-ragab | themill, same error http://pastebin.com/6LV95kBS |
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| 15:50.29 | [Jasper] | 'hej guys, how can i see which ports are blocked with iptables? |
| 15:50.30 | themill | mohamed-ragab: that is not the result of trying to upgrade from etch to lenny. Please pastebin your sources.list. |
| 15:50.41 | themill | !show sources.list mohamed-ragab |
| 15:50.41 | dpkg | mohamed-ragab: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "\n%p:\n" -exec cat {} \; |
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| 15:53.07 | [Jasper] | hej guys, my iptables -L show a lot of rules.. |
| 15:53.13 | [Jasper] | how can I find out which program put them there? |
| 15:53.54 | [Jasper] | never mind |
| 15:53.56 | [Jasper] | allready found it |
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| 15:55.27 | mohamed-ragab | themill, dpkg http://pastebin.com/ED7RRF6Y |
| 15:55.38 | mohamed-ragab | dpkg, http://pastebin.com/ED7RRF6Y |
| 15:55.38 | dpkg | mohamed-ragab: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 15:55.46 | MrJK | Hi |
| 15:56.03 | MrJK | I've some problem to configure my tftpd-hpaa (PXE) server |
| 15:56.23 | Sanitoeter | hi, my apt fails to download the Translation-en_US files from both the official debian servers and security.debian.org. Is there even supposed to be such a file, and if yes, why isn't it there at the moment? |
| 15:56.27 | MrJK | It works for all of my cputers on my network, but not for one |
| 15:56.40 | themill | mohamed-ragab: you're supposed to be upgrading that machine from etch to lenny. You should not have "testing" in your sources.list anywhere. Replace "testing" with lenny and carefully read the release notes on how to upgrade from etch to lenny. |
| 15:56.44 | themill | dpkg: tell mohamed-ragab about etch->lenny |
| 15:57.15 | themill | mohamed-ragab: You should consider sticking with lenny until squeeze is stable and released and not continue your upgrade to squeeze. |
| 15:57.19 | MrJK | It's an old one (about 10years old laptop) |
| 15:58.10 | foetus | thats the reason :) |
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| 15:58.43 | MrJK | But it supports net boot (PXE v2.01) |
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| 16:00.42 | mohamed-ragab | themill, nice it work |
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| 16:00.54 | mohamed-ragab | themill, Thank you |
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| 16:01.10 | iman | when i login in debian, first of all i get this error : Could not update ICEauthority file /home/iman/.ICEauthority - what's the problem? |
| 16:01.26 | SOUL_OF_R00T | somebody using videocard chip ati hd4290? |
| 16:01.26 | themill | mohamed-ragab: no worries. You have a lot of work to do on that box to get it sorted out. Please *carefully* read the release notes for the upgrade process. |
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| 16:01.53 | toggle | does anyone know how to start X on a laptop on an external display only? Option "Ignore" "true" for LVDS does not work |
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| 16:03.18 | Sanitoeter | iman, does /home/iman exist, and can you write to it? |
| 16:04.00 | iman | Sanitoeter, that file doesn't exist |
| 16:04.24 | Sanitoeter | /home/iman is supposed to be a directory |
| 16:04.41 | Sanitoeter | which is owned by user iman |
| 16:04.57 | iman | Sanitoeter, i have to create that file to this directory and then chgown to iman ? |
| 16:05.38 | Sanitoeter | if you are talking about the ICEauthority file, no, it should be created automatically. Can you write to /home/iman? |
| 16:05.41 | foetus | lol |
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| 16:08.29 | iman | Sanitoeter, ye |
| 16:08.31 | iman | yes |
| 16:08.59 | iman | Sanitoeter, but there are no file with this name ? |
| 16:09.01 | ems | so.. any ideas as to what Instant Msgr program like AIM for windows, does support Webcam for linux? Ive searched all over, no luck. |
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| 16:10.05 | Sanitoeter | iman, yes, it gets created at login. I dont know why this does not work in your case, though. |
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| 16:12.18 | foetus | wrong group? |
| 16:14.18 | foetus | needs squid.. |
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| 16:16.17 | foetus | has built his own 2.6.26-25..now its time to quit :) |
| 16:16.17 | Sanitoeter | can I set up apt to timeout after maybe a minute, if a download fails? |
| 16:16.31 | newsense | ems: still at it i see |
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| 16:19.10 | stew | ems: pidgin |
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| 16:20.38 | m0ney | Hey #, if slackware, ubuntu, fedora etc all have their own fanbased wiki, why doesnt debian? |
| 16:20.48 | m0ney | Unless, I just havent found one yet. |
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| 16:21.19 | cahoot | !wiki |
| 16:21.35 | zinx | m0ney: googling "Debian wiki" provides "wiki.debian.org" |
| 16:21.50 | zinx | m0ney: i don't think you looked very hard :/ |
| 16:22.11 | m0ney | zinx, I looked enough, but the thought never crossed me to be as blunt as wiki debian. |
| 16:22.28 | m0ney | I dunno, I apologize for that. |
| 16:23.41 | zinx | i dunno... when i'm searching for something, i generally find it fairly effective to search for the thing i'm searching for, rather than something completely different |
| 16:24.18 | m0ney | I appreciate the wiki link as well as the putdown sir. |
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| 16:29.22 | RichiH | hmm. i have a nvidia gt 240 card. alsamixer f6 will list the nvidia audio device, but aplay won't -- how do i find out what id alsa assigned them? |
| 16:30.42 | zinx | aplay -L doesn't list it at all? o_O |
| 16:30.48 | cheasee | im using a dwl-g650 wifi cardbus card, modprob-ed ath5k, fine, ifconfig/iwconfig dont show the interface, what am i missing? |
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| 16:32.08 | RichiH | http://paste.debian.net/89405/ |
| 16:32.11 | RichiH | zinx: |
| 16:32.48 | zinx | RichiH: and you're sure the Intel one is not it? |
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| 16:33.15 | RichiH | zinx: it's either analog or spdif |
| 16:33.21 | RichiH | no word of hdmo |
| 16:33.23 | RichiH | hdmi |
| 16:33.33 | zinx | RichiH: try spdif |
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| 16:33.39 | zinx | RichiH: HDMI doesn't do analog |
| 16:33.58 | ems | newsense; yes lol unfortunately, is that bad? |
| 16:34.05 | ems | stew; pidgin doesnt support webcam, only for jabber |
| 16:34.08 | zinx | RichiH: but if that's not the card it's not gonna work |
| 16:34.22 | newsense | no i see people trying to find the same thing out for weeks before |
| 16:34.27 | zinx | RichiH: is it listed in /proc/asound/pcm? |
| 16:34.48 | zinx | RichiH: and, /proc/asound/cards for the id |
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| 16:34.50 | ems | newsense; i wouldnt care at all but you know family got to keep in touch |
| 16:34.54 | RichiH | http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=2248363 seems to be related |
| 16:35.04 | ems | newsense; and they only know aim program for windows :[ |
| 16:35.09 | newsense | ems: yeah i had to use aim in the past for that reason myself |
| 16:35.34 | newsense | ems: got everyone on gmail now and using gtalk |
| 16:35.36 | ems | newsense; they do have aim for linux but its 1.5 and im not sure if it has support yet |
| 16:35.40 | zinx | RichiH: yeah |
| 16:36.04 | RichiH | http://paste.debian.net/89406/ |
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| 16:36.18 | zinx | RichiH: yeah, broke drivers |
| 16:36.23 | ems | while i am on the topic, does anyone have a site where it tells you which webcam's are supported by linux, specifically debian lenny? |
| 16:36.30 | RichiH | also, i have an on-board spdif socket |
| 16:36.43 | zinx | RichiH: you don't have anything listed for the nVidia card.. it sees it, but no playback/record/mixer/etc |
| 16:37.06 | RichiH | zinx: i can access the mixer settings when i press f6 |
| 16:37.07 | zinx | RichiH: the page you linked says you need 1.0.23 or later of ALSA |
| 16:37.15 | zinx | RichiH: o_O |
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| 16:37.41 | SirTopHat | can I force it to allow me to login as root to the desktop |
| 16:37.41 | zinx | RichiH: did you check http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=HOW-TO_set_up_HDMI_audio_on_nVidia_GeForce_G210,_GT220,_or_GT240 ? |
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| 16:38.03 | SirTopHat | without recompiling |
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| 16:39.10 | mms_ | win 7 virtual box how to make usb flash pen drive available to guest debian. I am just setting up vm and its not finding bootable medium. |
| 16:41.33 | ems | mms_; #vbox is virtualbox |
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| 16:41.58 | lenswipe|newpc | hey guys |
| 16:42.05 | lenswipe|newpc | can someone help me install ntp support in debian? |
| 16:42.12 | lenswipe|newpc | so that my clock syncs with internet time servers |
| 16:43.01 | lenswipe|newpc | forget it i have it sorted i think |
| 16:43.16 | zinx | lenswipe|newpc: aptitude install ntp |
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| 16:46.01 | lenswipe|newpc | zinx, i cant use it to update my clock |
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| 16:46.07 | lenswipe|newpc | sh: ntpdate: command not found |
| 16:46.10 | lenswipe|newpc | 13 Sep 01:41:07 ntpdate[6197]: the NTP socket is in use, exiting |
| 16:46.30 | Bushmills | when ntpd runs, ntpdate won't work |
| 16:46.34 | lenswipe|newpc | ok |
| 16:46.40 | lenswipe|newpc | so how do i force ntp to update? |
| 16:46.46 | lenswipe|newpc | Mon Sep 13 01:41:44 BST 2010 |
| 16:46.51 | lenswipe|newpc | thats my system date right now |
| 16:46.56 | RichiH | zinx: yes; it does not work |
| 16:46.57 | Bushmills | either stop ntp, then run ntpdate. but you'd not need to run it when ntpd is operational |
| 16:47.11 | lenswipe|newpc | okay |
| 16:47.15 | lenswipe|newpc | so stop ntp then run ntpdate |
| 16:47.17 | lenswipe|newpc | kk |
| 16:47.38 | Bushmills | ntpdate -b server to set time even when discrepancy is big |
| 16:47.56 | lenswipe|newpc | okay |
| 16:48.22 | lenswipe|newpc | Bushmills, no joy |
| 16:48.27 | lenswipe|newpc | Sun Sep 12 17:48:27 BST 2010 |
| 16:48.35 | lenswipe|newpc | wait nvm |
| 16:48.35 | lenswipe|newpc | thats it |
| 16:48.44 | lenswipe|newpc | ...why is my GNOME clock wrong though>? |
| 16:48.48 | lenswipe|newpc | nvm there it goes |
| 16:48.48 | lenswipe|newpc | thx |
| 16:49.12 | lenswipe|newpc | Bushmills, next problem... |
| 16:49.15 | lenswipe|newpc | gksu doesnt work randomly |
| 16:49.30 | Bushmills | be glad that it doesn't work randomly |
| 16:49.34 | lenswipe|newpc | lmao |
| 16:49.36 | Bushmills | would be worse if it would |
| 16:49.43 | lenswipe|newpc | ie if i click on synaptic from the GNOME menu it asks for a password and then disappears |
| 16:49.51 | lenswipe|newpc | but if i open a terminal and run sudo synaptic it works fine |
| 16:49.57 | lenswipe|newpc | and yes ive re-installed gksu |
| 16:50.35 | Bushmills | ask the channel, not me. i don't use gksu nor synaptic |
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| 16:50.53 | zinx | lenswipe|newpc: the ntp daemon keeps it synced, but does not do large jumps |
| 16:50.54 | lenswipe|newpc | kkk |
| 16:50.58 | themill | gksu and sudo are different things (at least in gksu's default configuration -- it's a frontend to "su" not "sudo") |
| 16:50.59 | lenswipe|newpc | zinx, okay |
| 16:51.00 | zinx | lenswipe|newpc: with ntp running, you should never NEED to sync it again |
| 16:51.09 | lenswipe|newpc | themill, i know |
| 16:51.12 | lenswipe|newpc | zinx, yeah |
| 16:51.18 | zinx | lenswipe|newpc: ntp handles skewing the clock speed so it runs correctly, and adjusting it when it gets off |
| 16:51.21 | quitte | lenswipe|newpc: gksu behaves that way when the password is wron, unfortunately. in debian the default gksu behaviour is to ask for the root password. did you enter your users password instead? |
| 16:51.34 | lenswipe|newpc | quitte, except the password isnt wron |
| 16:51.38 | lenswipe|newpc | the password is write |
| 16:51.39 | zinx | use gksudo instead if you want the user password |
| 16:51.40 | lenswipe|newpc | right* |
| 16:52.02 | quitte | zinx: or change the gconf default - that way all menu entries work |
| 16:52.13 | lenswipe|newpc | zinx, well im going into the system menu, and then administration, then synaptic and then synaptic |
| 16:52.18 | lenswipe|newpc | it asks for a password |
| 16:52.19 | lenswipe|newpc | i enter one |
| 16:52.23 | lenswipe|newpc | it does nothing else |
| 16:52.24 | lenswipe|newpc | thats it |
| 16:52.36 | quitte | lenswipe|newpc: did you enter the root password? |
| 16:52.36 | themill | lenswipe|newpc: which password do you enter? |
| 16:52.36 | zinx | quitte: to each his own, i guess. i wouldn't do that on my machine - when i use something that's supposed to use 'su', i expect it to use 'su'.. |
| 16:52.40 | lenswipe|newpc | quitte, yes |
| 16:52.44 | lenswipe|newpc | themill, the root password |
| 16:53.14 | themill | lenswipe|newpc: have you tried running it from a terminal to see if there is any further output? Or checked auth.log? |
| 16:53.23 | lenswipe|newpc | themill, i explained this earlier |
| 16:53.33 | lenswipe|newpc | yes i can run it from a terminal, no there is no output |
| 16:53.37 | quitte | lenswipe|newpc: if you are on ubuntu try the users password |
| 16:53.40 | lenswipe|newpc | if i use gksu from a terminal it hangs |
| 16:53.54 | lenswipe|newpc | quitte, im not on ubuntu, im on debian, which is why im here in the first place |
| 16:54.07 | lenswipe|newpc | if i was on ubuntu i would be having this conversation in #ubuntu |
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| 16:54.29 | quitte | lenswipe|newpc: ok. didn't mean to insult. it just wouldn't have been the first time people lie about using debian |
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| 16:55.41 | lenswipe|newpc | its ok |
| 16:55.46 | lenswipe|newpc | im looking in auth.log |
| 16:55.47 | lenswipe|newpc | i see this |
| 16:55.48 | lenswipe|newpc | Sep 11 02:51:48 C03 dbus-daemon: Rejected send message, 3 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.21" (uid=1000 pid=2913 comm="nautilus --no-default-window --sm-client-id defaul") interface="org.freedesktop.SystemToolsBackends" member="get" error name="(unset)" requested_reply=0 destination="org.freedesktop.SystemToolsBackends" (uid=0 pid=2754 comm="/usr/bin/system-tools-backends ")) |
| 16:55.54 | lenswipe|newpc | does that look like something? |
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| 17:03.44 | smv | how do I disable om-killer? |
| 17:03.57 | smv | oom-killer i mean |
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| 17:16.56 | smv | how do I disable oom-killer? there has to be someone that knows this... |
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| 17:19.54 | tome | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-server-73/disabling-and-enabling-oom-kill-option-648228/ |
| 17:19.59 | tome | ? |
| 17:20.35 | OpenTokix | smv: Install more memory |
| 17:20.49 | nooper | smv: or at least add more swap |
| 17:21.17 | smv | nooper, 3gb swap should be enough, regardless of ram. |
| 17:21.26 | nooper | smv: enough for what? |
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| 17:21.34 | nooper | smv: whats being killed thats using all that swap and ram? |
| 17:21.42 | OpenTokix | smv: if oom starts killing off processes, you don't have enough of ram |
| 17:21.53 | tome | or you should switch to 64 bit |
| 17:22.07 | OpenTokix | smv: Can you tell us more about your system? |
| 17:23.20 | smv | everytime i run tiger, om-killer decides to kill almost everything, my system: sempron 2800+ @ 1,8ghz, 2.6.32-5-amd64, 512mb ram, 3gb swap |
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| 17:24.20 | jelly-hme | smv: if you disable overcommitting, oom-killer shouldn't have reason to activate |
| 17:24.28 | bzed | sounds more like that tiger thing eats your ram |
| 17:24.38 | nooper | disabling overcomming also slows down the system a lot |
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| 17:26.15 | tome | for my own curiosity, is tiger the security tool or tiger the OS? |
| 17:26.23 | smv | i wouldn't mind if at 1am the systems slows down, when tiger is being run. i do mind though, oom-killer killing my entire system. |
| 17:26.33 | smv | tiger the security tool. |
| 17:26.40 | nooper | disabling overcomming also slows down the system a lot all the time, not just at 1am |
| 17:27.41 | smv | only tiger eats more ram usually. can't add more ram atm. now, is there any way to just disable oom-killer? |
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| 17:27.56 | tome | did you see the link I sent you? |
| 17:28.03 | tome | it describes how to disable it I think |
| 17:28.10 | tome | proc |
| 17:28.30 | nooper | tome: /proc/sys/vm/oom-kill doesn't exist in current kernels |
| 17:28.44 | newsense | i use tiger myself and it can be tuned via the conf file, disable some of the resource intensive checks, i think some comments mention which are intensive |
| 17:29.00 | tome | nooper, probably for good reason : ) |
| 17:29.31 | tome | jk |
| 17:29.41 | tome | thanks, sorry about the bad link then |
| 17:31.46 | smv | adds one more reason to the long list of reasons to stop using linux as kernel |
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| 17:35.58 | piklu | Hello |
| 17:36.03 | piklu | I installed debian in a VM |
| 17:36.06 | piklu | and had kernel panic |
| 17:36.13 | piklu | than i ran with noapic option |
| 17:36.16 | piklu | now its running |
| 17:36.26 | piklu | how to investigate what has happened |
| 17:37.02 | shadowmaster | VirtualBox? what guest kernel version? |
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| 17:37.24 | shadowmaster | I know that VBox has some problems with certain Linux kernel versions when using local APIC |
| 17:38.02 | shadowmaster | *I/O APIC |
| 17:38.14 | elik | I'm trying to build a router with a debian box, and I'm wondering if I can assign the same ip to two of my interfaces (wifi and lan), just a bit like a home router |
| 17:38.53 | quitte | elik: you can merge eth and wifi to a bridge device |
| 17:39.16 | quitte | the same ip on two interfaces doesn't make sense otherwise |
| 17:39.27 | elik | right, that's a bit what I thought |
| 17:39.47 | elik | so I have three interfaces, wlan0, eth0 and eth1 |
| 17:40.14 | elik | I would bridge wlan0 on eth0, and forward all of that through eth1 |
| 17:40.39 | quitte | yes. that would work. |
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| 17:42.08 | piklu | shadowmaster: I am using HyperV |
| 17:42.51 | piklu | shadowmaster: what is this noapic option, and what do u want me to do if u would like to see what was the problem |
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| 17:44.43 | elik | quitte, in terms of iptables and such, wlan0 would not exist anymore? |
| 17:44.59 | piklu | also i want some debian expert to take a small box for a while, and play and tell me.....how it works with hyperV, before i finalize it |
| 17:45.27 | piklu | anybody can help pushing his skills for a little review |
| 17:45.29 | shadowmaster | piklu: hm, no idea about HyperV, never used it. IIRC noapic disables I/O APIC, which I think is related to coordination between multiple processors |
| 17:45.53 | piklu | shadowmaster.....oh okay |
| 17:46.28 | quitte | elik: hmm. i don't know. if you don't want it to exist just apply your rules to br0. |
| 17:46.52 | abrotman | Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller IIRC |
| 17:47.53 | quitte | elik: iirc for a filtering bridge ebtables are more appropriate. |
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| 17:48.08 | shadowmaster | abrotman: wikipedia agrees :p |
| 17:48.57 | shadowmaster | but I don't know what would happen when running a system with it disabled at kernel level. maybe performance loss with multiple cpu cores. |
| 17:49.07 | shadowmaster | that's probably not relevant on a virtualized system |
| 17:49.21 | elik | quitte, now I'm a bit lost :S |
| 17:50.38 | elik | quitte, I understand how you can use a bridge to, say, convert from wifi to ethernet (I used it to do netinstall on a computer without proper drivers for wifi) |
| 17:50.50 | elik | quitte, but I don't really get how you merge two networks with that |
| 17:52.33 | quitte | elik: a bridge behaves like a switch. so now you connect the lans physical switch to the bridge by eth0. and wlan0 acts like another port on the switch to the wlan. linux is connected to the switch by the device br0. |
| 17:53.17 | quitte | so only br0 is a nic the way it is in normal networking terms |
| 17:53.27 | jhutchins | shadowmaster: Yes, depending on the host engine, apic is irrelevant on a VM. |
| 17:53.34 | jhutchins | (at best) |
| 17:53.56 | HazardX | if I've got autologin set, is there any way I can have it re-autologin on logout with the same options? (in gdm?) |
| 17:54.16 | elik | quitte, nice nice, I see. So yeah, I think I do need a bridge. I'll look into ebtables while i'm at it |
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| 18:02.34 | piklu | jhutchins: do u think APIC is needed on a VM for multiple processor utilization ?? |
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| 18:03.05 | shadowmaster | I'd say it depends on whether the VM has multiple processors itself |
| 18:03.13 | shadowmaster | i.e. the guest system |
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| 18:07.24 | bint | what do i need to host a basic website? apache? |
| 18:07.45 | mattgyver | bint, pretty much thats it |
| 18:08.12 | bint | and if i install it, just install but then not change anything.. will there be a security hole? |
| 18:08.31 | bint | because i dont have a lot of time to config and setup everything in one day.. but kinda dont want to have open holes |
| 18:09.08 | petemc | bint: the default config is generally fine |
| 18:09.14 | bint | ok |
| 18:09.27 | petemc | you would like the think the people that maintain the apache packages know a thing or two |
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| 18:10.05 | bint | sure but sometimes you have to change stuff... like disallow root-login via ssh once you created a new user etc |
| 18:10.18 | petemc | of course it's relatively easy for you to configure it to be unsafe |
| 18:10.18 | bint | and since i have not really much todo with apache so far i imagined it could be somehow the same |
| 18:11.09 | bint | mysql and php are aswell "secure" if just installed? |
| 18:11.26 | mattgyver | bint, yeah |
| 18:11.33 | petemc | as before, yes |
| 18:11.36 | elik | quitte, thanks for the nice breakdown. I didn't see the bridge that way, so it was quite puzzling |
| 18:11.49 | bint | cool |
| 18:12.35 | bint | and does it matter if i install something with root or sudo |
| 18:12.42 | petemc | no |
| 18:12.44 | bint | ok |
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| 18:14.14 | piklu | shadowmaster, i am enabling VM with 4 processsors |
| 18:16.12 | bint | to install apache2.2 thats the right package apache2.2-common |
| 18:16.57 | chops1 | bint: One thing to be aware of is that you must keep up with security updates in order for apache to be secure (just like everything else on a Debian system) |
| 18:17.28 | petemc | bint: aptitude install apache2 |
| 18:17.37 | bint | and if i install it via apt-get install a aptitude update is enough to keep it up to date? |
| 18:17.57 | petemc | !tell bint about grounding |
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| 18:19.29 | bint | ok thanks |
| 18:19.30 | DexterF | evening |
| 18:19.39 | bint | upgrade would be right then :) |
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| 18:20.53 | DexterF | I just moved, no DSL yet, got this laptop here, umts, lan socket unused, would like to "pipe" 'net from umts to my regular router's wan interface. now I'm not that good with routing, anyone got pointers? |
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| 18:21.54 | roflino | how do i get console auto login working in debian? |
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| 18:23.08 | syn4pse | DexterF couldn`t you just change your default gw ( route add default gw 192.168.0.1 ) where as 192.168.0.1 is your routers IP |
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| 18:23.50 | roflino | i am creating a usb stick that patches some installations on some embedded machines. they are headless systems so the installation must be totally automated. |
| 18:23.59 | DexterF | syn4pse: what, on the laptop...? sounds not like what I need |
| 18:24.19 | roflino | i see that NO_PASSWORD_CONSOLE is deprecated |
| 18:24.49 | DexterF | ill clarify a bit: my setup used to be: clients---router---modem---internet. now i'd like clients----router---laptop/umts |
| 18:25.00 | DexterF | so the router uses the laptop as internet uplink |
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| 18:26.44 | petemc | DexterF: a simple way would be to install ipmasq on the laptop, but you'll be doing double nat if you do that |
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| 18:32.18 | HazardX | what do I need to do to allow a user to poweroff the system from X? |
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| 18:34.12 | syn4pse | HazardX you could add him to the sudoers list then he can sudo poweroff |
| 18:36.30 | HazardX | that dosen't really help, this is for an xbmc system ideeally the interface's powerbutton would shutdown, instead of just killing X |
| 18:36.49 | HazardX | well, actually, it dosen't even kill X anymore |
| 18:37.25 | DexterF | petemc: double nat is ok, this is only a temporary solution |
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| 18:37.39 | abrotman | HazardX: man shutdown.allow |
| 18:38.16 | dondelelcaro | most DM's have their own method of determining who can shutdown, since they tend to run as root |
| 18:38.32 | DexterF | petemc: ipmasq? kernel module? iptables rule? package? |
| 18:39.00 | petemc | the latter |
| 18:39.07 | HazardX | abrotman, I noticed that in shutdown's man page, but the system dosen't have the manpage for shutdown.allow |
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| 18:39.34 | petemc | DexterF: are you using lenny? |
| 18:40.17 | DexterF | petemc: no, why? |
| 18:40.32 | petemc | DexterF: because the ipmasq package isnt in squeeze |
| 18:40.43 | DexterF | :| |
| 18:40.48 | dondelelcaro | HazardX: it's documented in shutdown(8) |
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| 18:41.39 | abrotman | yes, sorry, i thought it had its own man page |
| 18:41.51 | HazardX | hum, apparently now that I've been told where to look I see it! Its a miricale! :S |
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| 18:47.18 | jhutchins_lt | syn4pse: Sudo isn't used by default in Debian, unlike that other OS that uses .debs. |
| 18:47.54 | mattgyver | This is my first run with straight debian and I am trying to just play with upgrading to unstable, but how come everytime I tell it to do a dist-upgrade it wants to remove everything associated with gnome? |
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| 18:48.40 | syn4pse | it works fine for me :) |
| 18:48.54 | mattgyver | You know, i wonder could it be because I only have the main repo specified? |
| 18:50.46 | jhutchins_lt | mattgyver: It's a lot easier to learn Debian administration on a working system rather than jumping right into bughunting in unstable. |
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| 18:53.25 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: dondelelcaro What's that web page/search tool that explains why a package isn't currently in a particular release? |
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| 18:55.40 | abrotman | !why is foo not in testing |
| 18:55.40 | dpkg | foo is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=foo |
| 18:55.40 | abrotman | that ? |
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| 18:56.15 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: danke. |
| 18:56.42 | mattgyver | jhutchins, yeah I have a few years of ubuntu experience and actually am starting to use debian-testing also. I just wanted to see what usntable is about. |
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| 18:58.29 | jhutchins_lt | mattgyver: Unlike other distros, it's not just the in-progress next version with all the latest and greatest software. |
| 18:59.10 | dondelelcaro | jhutchins_lt: it depends why the software isn't in testing; in the case of ipmasq, it has been removed from testing and unstable |
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| 18:59.54 | dvs | misses ipmasq too |
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| 19:01.51 | jhutchins_lt | There was something we were looking at yesterday - er, Friday - that is in niether stable nor testing, but only in stable backports. |
| 19:02.05 | dondelelcaro | jhutchins_lt: that's pretty rare; was it in unstable? |
| 19:02.14 | jhutchins_lt | Mmm. Think so. |
| 19:02.44 | jhutchins_lt | Ah, flashplugin-nonfree |
| 19:02.53 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions flashplugin-nonfree |
| 19:02.53 | dondelelcaro | jhutchins_lt: probably got removed from testing at some point, and hadn't been part of a stable release |
| 19:02.55 | judd | flashplugin-nonfree -- etch-backports/contrib: 1:1.4~bpo40+1; lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.8.1~bpo50+1; sid/contrib: 1:2.8.1 |
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| 19:03.13 | bookmark | hello |
| 19:03.14 | dondelelcaro | jhutchins_lt: ah; yeah, that's just because we don't want to ever release with that package |
| 19:03.19 | bookmark | how are you gentlemen? |
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| 19:03.58 | bookmark | is there a way to set up linux that it doesn't matter if you just kill the power? |
| 19:04.03 | bookmark | like maybe linux bios? |
| 19:04.08 | jhutchins_lt | dondelelcaro: So it's only in backports, never in a release? |
| 19:04.08 | ems | hey sorry i was not here. what webcams can debian support? |
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| 19:04.43 | zinx | bookmark: you have to use a journalling filesystem, and all your apps that write files have to support power failure |
| 19:04.44 | jhutchins_lt | There was also eclipse, which was removed from stable (not something I use, someone else removed it and couldn't reinstall). |
| 19:05.08 | zinx | bookmark: also, flash memory may not work properly when it loses power, so you should avoid using flash memory |
| 19:05.58 | jhutchins_lt | bookmark: For a full recovery though, you'd need to write a RAM image to permanent storage like suspend-to-disk before the power actually went off, and currently that takes a noticible time. |
| 19:06.12 | jhutchins_lt | bookmark: Many devices that appear to do that do not fully power donw. |
| 19:06.15 | jhutchins_lt | down even. |
| 19:07.12 | Backup | is there a easy fix to the iceweasel render bug in squeeze? |
| 19:07.12 | bookmark | how about making linux load to ram? |
| 19:07.18 | bookmark | is that possible? |
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| 19:07.40 | bookmark | i mean.... i guess the harddrive would still be mounted though |
| 19:07.41 | bookmark | :( |
| 19:07.52 | bookmark | i need a rom harddrive or something hehehe |
| 19:08.33 | jhutchins_lt | ram requires power (as currently understood). |
| 19:08.42 | bookmark | hehe |
| 19:08.54 | bookmark | yeah but i want to be able to switch off the power if someone enters my room |
| 19:09.05 | jhutchins_lt | bookmark: But sure, if you're running from a live CD for instance, nothing's going to be damaged by yanking the power. |
| 19:09.19 | chops1 | bookmark: You can boot to an initramfs and never mount a main system, and work on making whatever you need available from within initramfs... that'll be somewhat difficult though. Or a liveCD as jhutchins_lt mentioned. |
| 19:09.19 | jhutchins_lt | Naughty, naughty! |
| 19:09.22 | bookmark | yeah but none of the live cds work with my computer |
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| 19:10.14 | bookmark | live-magic - GUI frontend to create Debian LiveCDs, netboot images, etc. |
| 19:10.19 | bookmark | i guess ill just try this |
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| 19:10.27 | Enverex | I'm getting a Segfault if I try and run glx* whilst using an ATi card and the current (from repo) FGLRX drivers on Sid. Has anyone experienced this recently? Searching only finds ancient reports |
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| 19:10.52 | bookmark | its just a shame that it is only available in linux :( |
| 19:10.56 | bookmark | hehe |
| 19:11.02 | bookmark | i want a windows livecd hahahah |
| 19:11.07 | jhutchins_lt | Segfaults on sid? Seriously? What is the debian world coming to. |
| 19:11.22 | chops1 | Enverex: The BTS is generally a better place to raise that than IRC |
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| 19:11.47 | chops1 | Enverex: Maybe the reason you don't find anything is that other people have experienced it, but they've all been coming to #debian instead of reporting in the BTS :-) |
| 19:12.05 | ems | hello all |
| 19:12.13 | jhutchins_lt | The BTS search is horrible. |
| 19:12.38 | jhutchins_lt | Needs to be segregated by release for one thing. |
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| 19:13.17 | jhutchins_lt | Also needs an automated "this package has been updated, is this bug still valid" query. |
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| 19:23.47 | mattgyver | jhutchins, sorry was afk. So your saying ultimately if one is running unstable its not the full unstable system, just a collection of packages from unstable repos? |
| 19:23.59 | Antimayate | nigras |
| 19:24.23 | jelly-home | !ops Antimayate trolling |
| 19:24.23 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: jelly-home complains about: Antimayate trolling |
| 19:24.43 | jelly-home | just been banned from ##linux, too |
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| 19:29.31 | elik | So, erm, I'm having a hard time unerstanding the difference between auto lo and allow-hotplug eth0 |
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| 19:30.24 | dvs | elik: "auto" will always come on. "allow-hotplug" will only come on if the card is detected |
| 19:31.28 | elik | dvs, doesn't allow-hotplug only make sense with usb wifi adapters then? |
| 19:31.30 | foetus | 2.6.26-25 done, proftpd done. |
| 19:31.40 | dvs | elik: and wired NIC too |
| 19:31.50 | jhutchins_lt | mattgyver: Unstable is the pipeline of new packages for testing. |
| 19:32.22 | elik | dvs, yeah, but the NIC are PCI cards, and if for some reason it's not detected, my system is seriously crippled (building a router) |
| 19:32.31 | jhutchins_lt | mattgyver: It's expected that there will be packages that break things, that there will be packages that release without necessarily having all of their inter-dependent packags updated. |
| 19:32.51 | beardy | elik: Firstly, lo is the loopback interface, eth0 is an Ethernet interface. You always want the loopback to be available. "auto" does what dvs said. "allow-hotplug" though, will only bring it up if a cable (or association with an AP) is detected. It will also bring it down when it no longer is the case. |
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| 19:33.12 | dvs | elik: yes, but that would be more of an issue with the driver or the card, not about the interface not coming up. |
| 19:34.04 | jhutchins_lt | elik: hotplugging a hardwire interface is for things like laptops that move around and don't just stay plugged into a net. |
| 19:34.09 | m0tan | anyone ever come across an issue with the partition editor / installation of debian resetting the 'use as (ext3)' and mount points on drives after installing grub? |
| 19:34.26 | jhutchins_lt | elik: auto makes more sense in your case. |
| 19:34.31 | m0tan | in the partition table |
| 19:34.53 | jhutchins_lt | m0tan: No. |
| 19:35.16 | m0tan | weird. |
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| 19:35.44 | m0tan | its like fstab is getting overwritten by something. |
| 19:35.48 | foetus | cooked a meal with beans and goulash and fresh cooked potatoes and is trinking an old german weinbrand :) |
| 19:35.50 | jhutchins_lt | m0tan: In the partition table - that would be the partition type code, which is not ext3 specific. |
| 19:36.25 | m0tan | right, i'm using ext3 which is why the ( ) |
| 19:36.36 | jackweb | Hello! I am full-upgrading my Debian from stable → testing. There is a problem with installing udev [there were problems with processing udev*.dev]. How to resolve this problem? |
| 19:36.42 | jhutchins_lt | m0tan: So it changed the partition type from what to which? |
| 19:36.54 | m0tan | it changed from ext3 to 'do not use' |
| 19:37.00 | jackweb | what another information am I to give? |
| 19:37.20 | jhutchins_lt | m0tan: Ok, again, there is no "ext3" in a partiton table. Nor is there a "do not use". |
| 19:37.33 | DogBoy | jackweb, dpkg has some factoids about that |
| 19:37.37 | m0tan | ok. in the partition editor on the livecd |
| 19:37.54 | m0tan | on the newest debian release. |
| 19:37.54 | quitte | that would be gparted |
| 19:37.58 | jhutchins_lt | m0tan: How about in fdisk -l from a console? |
| 19:37.58 | m0tan | correct. |
| 19:38.02 | jackweb | DogBoy: so what to do? :] |
| 19:38.03 | dvs | jackweb: namely, install the squeeze kernel first. |
| 19:38.10 | jackweb | ahh... ok |
| 19:38.11 | m0tan | i'll check. |
| 19:38.21 | DogBoy | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:38.24 | jhutchins_lt | jackweb: testing is not an upgrade, it is an experiment. |
| 19:38.34 | jackweb | jhutchins_lt: ;) |
| 19:38.36 | dvs | LOK |
| 19:38.41 | jackweb | yeah |
| 19:38.42 | dvs | LOVES experiments! |
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| 19:39.05 | jhutchins_lt | It's recommended that you test it on a spare PC, or on a seperate partition. |
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| 19:39.17 | elik | dvs, beardy, jhutchins_lt, thx for your input on the differences between auto and allow-hotplug |
| 19:39.25 | jhutchins_lt | jackweb: Were there specific errors in the upgrade process? |
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| 19:40.09 | jackweb | Sorry. |
| 19:40.17 | jackweb | I clicked ctrl + alt + backspace :D |
| 19:40.25 | jackweb | and I cannot go back to X |
| 19:40.38 | jhutchins_lt | !tell jackweb about udev squeeze |
| 19:40.52 | jhutchins_lt | jackweb: startx? /etc/init.d/gdm start? |
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| 19:41.25 | dvs | elik: np |
| 19:41.37 | jackweb | jhutchins_lt: normally I can, but due to upgrading or rather 'experiment' it is impossible to go back to X :D |
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| 19:42.27 | jhutchins_lt | jackweb: When you work with testing it's important to record the errors so that you can report what went wrong - that's the whole reason testing is out there. |
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| 19:43.00 | jackweb | ok |
| 19:43.24 | jhutchins_lt | jackweb: So I'd go back to lenny, and either try the "upgrade" again, or install squeeze directly. |
| 19:43.46 | jhutchins_lt | !tell jackweb about squeeze udev fix |
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| 19:44.55 | jhutchins_lt | jackweb: Since you're not providing us with any details about what the system is doing now, it's pretty hard to guess what might help you. |
| 19:45.47 | jackweb | maybe I will reboot the system |
| 19:45.50 | jackweb | to run new kernel |
| 19:46.26 | jackweb | or what? |
| 19:47.25 | foetus | you could still wait for him.. |
| 19:47.34 | jackweb | yes |
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| 19:50.00 | homie | hrmmm, is it normal to find previous installs of old programs to find in windows installations under virtualbox ? |
| 19:50.13 | homie | even when i partitioned anew and even formatted the drive ? |
| 19:50.31 | homie | or does it somehow store things remotely ? |
| 19:50.36 | homie | and get it back ? |
| 19:51.11 | foetus | ? |
| 19:51.21 | homie | or does it cache it somewhere i don't have any knowledge about ? |
| 19:51.42 | homie | i installed my windows xp anew, and find hla on it without me installing it there... |
| 19:51.45 | jhutchins_lt | homie: #virtualbox? |
| 19:51.49 | homie | jep |
| 19:51.56 | jhutchins_lt | homie: I don't think this has anything to do with debian. |
| 19:52.03 | homie | yes yes ok |
| 19:52.05 | homie | sorry |
| 19:52.30 | jhutchins_lt | Sorry but nfc. |
| 19:53.24 | jackweb | jhutchins_lt: could I do a reboot? |
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| 19:54.22 | jhutchins_lt | jackweb: Well, yes, you coud do a reboot, but since I don't have any idea what you're system's doing right now, I have no idea what will happen. |
| 19:54.39 | jhutchins_lt | jackweb: Did you read those messages from dpkg? |
| 19:55.18 | jackweb | yes |
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| 19:55.47 | jackweb | ok, I'm rebooting my Debian ;] |
| 19:57.54 | sphenxes | I would like to install squeeze rigth now on my computer. My question: Is it easy later to update squeeze to stable? or should i reinstall the next stable version? |
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| 19:58.21 | Frozen | good afternoon from Greece |
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| 19:59.16 | jackweb | Hello again! ;) |
| 19:59.42 | jackweb | as you see, I haven't broken my Debian yet... ;) |
| 19:59.46 | foetus | good evening from germany.. and greetings to greece:) |
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| 20:02.01 | jelly-home | sphenxes: squeeze will become stable, and at that point you'll have stable |
| 20:02.21 | sphenxes | jelly, thanks |
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| 20:03.36 | jackweb | huh... error while startingx :] |
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| 20:06.47 | jackweb | nice tty1 |
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| 20:11.23 | foetus | ok..lets close putty,nice work |
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| 20:12.08 | foetus | ..and open pidgin. |
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| 20:15.44 | foetus | proxy and ssh are workin nice, impressive. |
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| 20:18.31 | foetus | all is workin |
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| 20:22.44 | jackweb | thanks for the help, I did it! :) |
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| 20:36.27 | mattfury_ | so when i run aptitude build-dep wine |
| 20:36.29 | mattfury_ | so i can get directx10 to work |
| 20:36.34 | mattfury_ | are my sources list borked? |
| 20:37.11 | abrotman | huh ? is there an error? |
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| 20:38.24 | chops1 | mattfury_: build-dep does not modify sources.list |
| 20:39.09 | mattfury_ | no i thought maybe my sources.list is causing this error |
| 20:39.28 | mattfury_ | ops forgot to paste |
| 20:39.40 | mattfury_ | http://pastebin.ca/1938802 |
| 20:39.58 | abrotman | mattfury_: is your system fully up to datE? |
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| 20:40.18 | mattfury | abrotman, how can i make it fully up to date? |
| 20:40.32 | abrotman | are you runing squeeze/sid ? |
| 20:40.38 | mattfury | lenny |
| 20:40.43 | mattfury | amd64 |
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| 20:41.25 | abrotman | judd: versions korn |
| 20:41.26 | judd | korn -- etch: 4:3.5.5.dfsg.1-6; etch-backports: 4:3.5.7-4~bpo40+1; lenny: 4:3.5.9-5 |
| 20:41.49 | abrotman | judd: versions cups-client |
| 20:41.50 | judd | cups-client -- etch-backports: 1.3.8-1lenny4~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.3.8-1+lenny8; lenny-security: 1.3.8-1+lenny8; sid: 1.4.4-3; squeeze: 1.4.4-3 |
| 20:42.00 | abrotman | mattfury: doesn't look like it's fully lenny anymore |
| 20:42.11 | amphi | mumbles 'spork' |
| 20:42.22 | abrotman | eep! |
| 20:43.42 | mattfury | so what does this mean? |
| 20:45.19 | abrotman | i means you sohuld paste your sources.list somewhere |
| 20:46.00 | mattfury | http://pastebin.ca/1939078 |
| 20:47.05 | abrotman | mattfury: right .. you're running testing now .. |
| 20:47.16 | abrotman | you sohuld actually change your sources to all 'squeeze', and then fully update your system |
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| 20:47.52 | mattfury | can you repaste bin or msg the updated config file please? |
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| 20:48.02 | mattfury | (pref msg) |
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| 20:49.50 | mattfury | where do i put 'squeeze'? |
| 20:52.37 | abrotman | everywhere it says lenny or testing |
| 20:53.46 | mattfury | ok |
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| 21:01.04 | foetus | is near sleep..done some work past few days.. |
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| 21:01.55 | mattfury | im looking for work :( |
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| 21:03.08 | foetus | don't worry - look around :-[ |
| 21:03.45 | mattfury | well im supposed to do uni next year, but im probably moving to the city |
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| 21:08.25 | Mikaze | Hello. Anyone know wich package modprobe is in? Just 'stalled the latest Squeeze build and it installed w/o modprobe or rmmod. |
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| 21:12.54 | abrotman | !apt-file |
| 21:12.54 | dpkg | methinks apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file or list files in a package even if it's not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regexp; see man apt-file). You can also search online; ask me about <pdo> <auto-apt> <dlocate> |
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| 21:17.15 | cusco | hi |
| 21:17.30 | cusco | I' in trouble with vnc server |
| 21:17.50 | cusco | when I connect I don't get to see what is already on screen 0? |
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| 21:28.28 | zophy | does email handle 8 bit characters ? |
| 21:28.43 | NoCode | Anyone know how to fix the 401 error for Gwibber from the repos? |
| 21:29.00 | petemc | zophy: yes |
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| 21:32.35 | zophy | ah, ESMTP |
| 21:33.32 | zophy | http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1652 |
| 21:33.48 | chops1 | Okay, I'm stumped. I want to enable pipe transport for /etc/aliases on exim4 in lenny... I see the stuff about SYSTEM_ALIASES_PIPE_TRANSPORT, but how am I supposed to actually define that? |
| 21:34.17 | chops1 | Just write SYSTEM_ALIASES_PIPE_TRANSPORT = address_pipe at the top of exim4.conf.template? |
| 21:34.22 | chops1 | (I'm using a non-split configuration) |
| 21:36.49 | petemc | chops1: /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.localmacros |
| 21:37.09 | chops1 | petemc: I don't have that file already; I should create it? |
| 21:37.20 | petemc | chops1: see 422719 , marc haber is quite a character |
| 21:38.05 | chops1 | Hahaha |
| 21:38.56 | chops1 | That's awesome. Close a relatively clear bug as wontfix and when someone complains say you don't want to maintain the package and have "been trying to get rid of exim4 for months". :-/ |
| 21:39.51 | Saguaro | haha |
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| 21:42.37 | petemc | he did get a lot of flack for how the config was handled in exim4, and whilst i appreciate that you cant use debconf as a registry and exim4 can be complex, i do still think its a bit shit |
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| 21:44.18 | chops1 | petemc: I'm sure exim4 is an unholy beast to maintain, but that doesn't mean being rude to the users and saying "I don't want to maintain it anyway" is appropriate. Just orphan the package if you don't want to do it. |
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| 21:45.31 | DexterF | I set up inet connection sharing on an ubuntu machine, another ubuntu client (the one I'm writing from) pretty much discovered that on its own, another debian 5 machine however won't. how do I make it use that connection? |
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| 21:53.02 | _stefanos_ | Good evening everyone. I have just finish Debian Lenny installation and currently i am trying to configure my dual screen manually. up to now i have managed to make it more or less work, but the problem i'm facing is the way i use the mouse to go from left screen to right screen. |
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| 21:53.42 | _stefanos_ | instead of moving from left to right, i have to go from left to left to move on the right screen... |
| 21:53.46 | _stefanos_ | confusing :D |
| 21:54.14 | DogBoy | you'll get used to it |
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| 21:54.46 | _stefanos_ | how to identify which screen is first and which is second? |
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| 21:55.01 | amphi | _stefanos_: you can use xrandr to rearrange them |
| 21:55.21 | _stefanos_ | xrandr resets everything to useless settings |
| 21:55.25 | amphi | xrandr --output foo --right-of --output bar |
| 21:55.27 | _stefanos_ | i use nVidia |
| 21:55.28 | amphi | for example |
| 21:55.34 | amphi | oh, nvidia |
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| 21:57.18 | _stefanos_ | brb, restarting X |
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| 22:08.03 | bint | is it complicated: i want to add a user and this user should only be able to connect to /var/www/user/ |
| 22:08.13 | bint | but in there this user should have create and delte rights |
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| 22:15.52 | syn4pse | <bint> chroot is what you are looking for |
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| 22:22.06 | tvollmer | Hi @all, can anyone tell me, why my dhclient is still adding an IP to my eth0 interface although I removed the line in /etc/network/interfaces and added a bridge instead? http://debian.pastebin.com/42xFUZ0f |
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| 22:24.22 | iceroot | top is showing me "1 zombie" how do i see what process it is? |
| 22:26.04 | courpse | Humm, How do i disable shortcut keys? |
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| 22:27.42 | iceroot | courpse: for what? |
| 22:28.26 | courpse | Everything. |
| 22:28.37 | courpse | The global shortcut keys. |
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| 22:30.04 | iceroot | for the shell, for gnome, for kde |
| 22:30.20 | courpse | gnome sorry. |
| 22:30.22 | iceroot | for the x-server |
| 22:30.29 | bint | thx synapse |
| 22:30.36 | bint | i edited the passwd file for the user |
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| 22:30.46 | bint | and chown'd a directory in var/www/user |
| 22:30.49 | bint | this worked |
| 22:30.52 | iceroot | courpse: system - settings keyboard shortcuts |
| 22:31.14 | courpse | yeah, but can i disable them all at once? |
| 22:31.27 | courpse | or do i have to edit to null each one, and then re-edit to enable each one? |
| 22:32.19 | tvollmer | Oh, I found it. it was something in the bluez or gnome-bluetooth setup. |
| 22:32.53 | courpse | The main one im trying to disable atm is alt+right click. |
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| 22:50.10 | extor | Is there a way to temporarily stop centos from locking up due to unreadable sectors on a 2nd drive? http://pastebin.com/QLjNHCEY |
| 22:50.26 | extor | short of installing debian that is |
| 22:50.27 | extor | lawl |
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| 22:58.36 | bint | Warning: group `zonk' has no more members. Done. delgroup zonk The group `zonk' does not exist. |
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| 22:58.39 | bint | why that? |
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| 23:05.54 | Jarvis | extor: are u trying to mount a badly damaged disk? if so, it may be simpler to make a copy using dd (with conv=noerror,sync |
| 23:06.16 | extor | Jarvis, yeah it would be simpler if I had another disk to dump that data on |
| 23:06.25 | Jarvis | ah :( |
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| 23:08.01 | sedulous | does anyone have a .deb for Squid 3.2? |
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| 23:12.17 | cafuego | judd: info squid sid |
| 23:12.19 | judd | squid (web, optional): Internet object cache (WWW proxy cache). Version: 2.7.STABLE9-2; Size: 751.5k; Installed: 1892k; Homepage: http://www.squid-cache.org/ |
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| 23:12.35 | cafuego | judd: info squid3 sid |
| 23:12.36 | judd | squid3 (web, optional): A full featured Web Proxy cache (HTTP proxy). Version: 3.1.6-1; Size: 1411.1k; Installed: 3580k; Homepage: http://www.squid-cache.org |
| 23:12.48 | cafuego | Looks like not. |
| 23:12.56 | sedulous | it's still in beta |
| 23:13.38 | sedulous | maybe a different daemon could do my job as well. either HTTP or SOCKS proxy would be okay. i need forward load-balancing, i.e. random source addresses for each request. |
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| 23:15.55 | dzup2 | some package unrar with gnome frontend? |
| 23:17.09 | cafuego | sedulous: TOR ? |
| 23:19.32 | sedulous | cafuego: I forgot to mention that it needs to be fast :) |
| 23:20.02 | cafuego | haha |
| 23:20.17 | sedulous | good point tho ;) |
| 23:20.31 | cafuego | sedulous: I wonder if haproxy can randomise requests outbound |
| 23:20.36 | CrazyFoam | when opening a bug (initial email), with patch attached, what is the way to have 'patch' tag automatically set? |
| 23:20.47 | sedulous | i'll check it out, thanks cafuego. |
| 23:20.56 | sedulous | worst case, i'll roll my own squid 3.2 .deb |
| 23:21.19 | cafuego | sedulous: That would prolly work fine with the debian/ build dir from 3.x.1 in sid. |
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| 23:21.38 | cafuego | using a 2.7.x build dir to bake 3.0 coz you need ipv6 was a TOTAL pita. |
| 23:22.04 | cafuego | sedulous: Just don't use a haproxy older than 1.3.20 |
| 23:22.15 | cafuego | man haproxy |
| 23:22.17 | cafuego | d'oh |
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| 23:22.30 | sedulous | ok cool |
| 23:23.38 | sedulous | Configuration.txt crits you for 2968287 hitpoints. |
| 23:23.40 | sedulous | dies. |
| 23:23.57 | sedulous | Squid 3.2 it is :) |
| 23:24.17 | cafuego | ahahha :-) |
| 23:24.25 | cafuego | it's not *that* bad is it? :-) |
| 23:24.30 | cafuego | need me to post a sample? |
| 23:24.49 | sedulous | nah, just 114 pages :-D http://haproxy.1wt.eu/download/1.4/doc/configuration.txt |
| 23:24.54 | sedulous | not bad |
| 23:25.18 | sedulous | that'd be excellent of course, if you have the time and muse. |
| 23:25.39 | cafuego | just let me sanitise it |
| 23:26.15 | sedulous | can I chain HAProxy? |
| 23:26.28 | sedulous | (not critical but would be cool) |
| 23:26.28 | cafuego | I don't see why not |
| 23:26.53 | cafuego | hmmm hang on |
| 23:27.16 | cafuego | i need to define destination addresses, so maybe it won't work |
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| 23:27.48 | sedulous | don't worry too much tho, squid 3.2 seems to be able to do it with its new "random acl" |
| 23:27.52 | cafuego | sedulous: nm, go with squid ;-) |
| 23:28.09 | sedulous | thanks tho! |
| 23:28.23 | sedulous | i really need to setup a central debian repository for custom packages like that. is it much work? |
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| 23:28.45 | sedulous | i liked how easy it was with Gentoo. haven't bothered to try it with Debian yet |
| 23:28.59 | cafuego | sedulous: shouldn't be. I set one up with a (now deprecated) python tool that someone did for ubuntu. |
| 23:29.08 | sedulous | cool |
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| 23:32.53 | Fredric | does anyone know where the sqlite3 lib file is? |
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| 23:33.20 | sedulous | hmm, or i just use launchpad |
| 23:33.44 | cafuego | Fredric: You do. dpkg -l | grep libsqlite; dpkg -L <packagename> |
| 23:33.46 | sedulous | $ dpkg -L libsqlite3-0 |grep '\.so' |
| 23:33.48 | sedulous | /usr/lib/libsqlite3.so.0.8.6 |
| 23:33.50 | sedulous | /usr/lib/libsqlite3.so.0 |
| 23:34.19 | cafuego | sedulous: I've thought about using lp. But it's *so* *slow* most of the time. |
| 23:34.34 | Fredric | sedulous thank you |
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| 23:36.02 | Fredric | hm, |
| 23:36.13 | Fredric | does anyone know what package I need to get sqlite3.h as well? |
| 23:36.45 | cafuego | the -dev package |
| 23:36.57 | cafuego | libsqlite3-dev I presume |
| 23:37.31 | Fredric | ah thanks |
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