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| 00:01.25 | loiteringsammy | Hey guys. Does Debian's default kernel support NTFS read/write? |
| 00:01.30 | khem_ | do anybody here have any experience with data tecovery / forensics? |
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| 00:01.59 | glick | hey, has anyone had any luck with magic jack on linux in any way shape or form? |
| 00:02.26 | smacnay | abrotman, yes, I was wondering if there was something else to be called when needed. Thanks |
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| 00:02.32 | Mowee | Hi |
| 00:02.44 | Mowee | How to know if a processus has been killed/stopped ? |
| 00:02.50 | abrotman | loiteringsammy: there is ntfs3g available |
| 00:03.54 | Mowee | I mean, I need to send mails when a processus has been killed/stopped. And I don't know where to see, I red the man ps and the logs but... :( |
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| 00:04.37 | MrFrood | anybody use ksh here? |
| 00:04.39 | loiteringsammy | ntfs3g? I'll google it. Thank ya |
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| 00:04.51 | Musho | qq- there is 31 different images named from debian-506-i386-CD-1.iso to debian-506-i386-CD-31.iso, and they have different file sizes |
| 00:04.55 | streuner_ | loiteringsammy: no need to |
| 00:05.05 | streuner_ | loiteringsammy: /msg dpkg ntfs+rw |
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| 00:05.33 | streuner_ | loiteringsammy: /msg dpkg ntfsrw |
| 00:05.41 | elik | Say I want a laptop with two interfaces (wired and wifi) to be assigned a single ip address, no matter how it connects, how could I do that? |
| 00:05.47 | systemfault | Musho: You only need the first CD if you can install from the internet. |
| 00:06.20 | qq- | Musho, yes |
| 00:06.32 | Musho | systemfault: Well i can't. |
| 00:06.40 | Musho | qq-: What's the differences? |
| 00:06.53 | qq- | contents ? |
| 00:07.04 | elik | I was thinking of putting two static entries in my dhcp config to assign the same ip to both interfaces, but I'm thinking it would wreak havoc when both are conected |
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| 00:07.34 | systemfault | Musho: Debian has a few thousands of applications.. they wouldn't fit on a single CD.. |
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| 00:08.04 | Musho | systemfault: so you are telling me i need all 31 of them to install proper? |
| 00:08.28 | Musho | systemfault: Doesn't sound quite right |
| 00:08.30 | systemfault | Nope... only 1 a an internet connection. |
| 00:08.40 | qq- | !netinst |
| 00:08.41 | dpkg | rumour has it, netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 00:09.00 | qq- | Musho, ^^ |
| 00:09.03 | systemfault | s/a/and |
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| 00:09.11 | Musho | Well, i can't connect to the internet with anything else than a 3g-modem |
| 00:09.24 | Musho | So i'll need to offline-install |
| 00:09.39 | atoi | how can I alias one hostname to another? |
| 00:10.06 | qq- | !vendors |
| 00:10.06 | dpkg | Not enough time or insufficient bandwidth to download a Debian CD/DVD image? Vendors of Debian CDs/DVDs are listed at http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/ . If your country is not listed, use a vendor who ships internationally. Also ask me about <install guide>. |
| 00:10.09 | atoi | I tried putting it in /etc/hosts but since the "ip" is actually a DNS name in the form "ip-x-y-z-x-whatever.something.com" ... it didn't work. |
| 00:11.23 | Musho | qq-: Yes, of course, but i mean, wouln't it be easier to download the images? |
| 00:11.54 | qq- | Musho, so do it |
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| 00:12.11 | systemfault | Musho: Perhaps debian has a live-install cd (I don't know) |
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| 00:12.41 | systemfault | If that's the case, you could install a minimal distro |
| 00:12.45 | Musho | systemfault: Don't know what would be the point of one of these |
| 00:12.54 | Musho | systemfault: minimal distro yes |
| 00:12.58 | systemfault | Musho: You would only need a single CD... |
| 00:13.06 | glick | what idiots magic jack;s creators are |
| 00:13.13 | webguy_home | does dpkg have a help command? I want to browse the nuggets of info :) |
| 00:13.21 | glick | not releasing a linux client |
| 00:13.44 | systemfault | webguy_home: man ? |
| 00:13.49 | Musho | Yes okay |
| 00:14.34 | webguy_home | systemfault: I am talking about the bot here like when qq- did !vendors |
| 00:14.49 | systemfault | Ah :$ |
| 00:14.53 | systemfault | Oops! |
| 00:15.15 | Musho | oow 600 sek for 3 dvds.. it's like 90 bucks |
| 00:16.05 | atoi | I hate setting up rsyncs without passwords... I can never remember how to do it precisely. |
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| 00:16.41 | loiteringsammy | Thank you streuner_, that was easy and quick. |
| 00:16.56 | lenswipe|pissedo | jhutchins_lt, this is me on my new debian install |
| 00:17.07 | lenswipe|pissedo | jhutchins_lt, how do i get a newer kernel? |
| 00:17.13 | lenswipe|pissedo | 2.6.32-trunk-686 |
| 00:17.15 | qq- | webguy_home, /msg dpkg help |
| 00:17.21 | streuner_ | loiteringsammy: np |
| 00:17.39 | qq- | webguy_home, /msg dpkg selftell |
| 00:18.17 | systemfault | lenswipe|pissedo: The the newest IIRC. |
| 00:18.23 | systemfault | *It's |
| 00:18.27 | qq- | no |
| 00:18.35 | qq- | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:18.48 | systemfault | qq's the man :) |
| 00:18.52 | webguy_home | thx qq- is there a way to read the tops? |
| 00:19.21 | webguy_home | tops = topics |
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| 00:19.25 | lenswipe|pissedo | systemfault, this is a trunk kernel |
| 00:19.28 | lenswipe|pissedo | oooooolllldddd |
| 00:19.37 | qq- | webguy_home, go in 'dpkg' channel and try your commands |
| 00:19.58 | lenswipe|pissedo | systemfault, but that still doesnt answer my question of how to install a backported kernel |
| 00:20.02 | carandraug | hi! I'm trying to untar a file into another user home directory but I don't have permissions to cd into it. I can sudo as that user but the working directory is my. I've tried tar with -C but that also doesn't work. Anyone knows how I work around it? |
| 00:20.25 | systemfault | thought that 2.6.32 was the lastest supported kernel on Debian. |
| 00:20.30 | systemfault | *Latest |
| 00:20.31 | carandraug | also, I can't log in as that user because I didn't set a password for it |
| 00:20.40 | khem_ | can somebody run the stegdetect Debian program for me please? :) |
| 00:20.54 | lenswipe|pissedo | systemfault, i need to backport the newest one though to install an nvidia module so i can get my GFX card to work properly |
| 00:20.55 | lenswipe|pissedo | i think |
| 00:20.56 | systemfault | (Compared to let's say... 2.6.35 which is really the latest kernel) |
| 00:21.02 | lenswipe|pissedo | i think |
| 00:21.16 | systemfault | lenswipe|pissedo: Ah :/ |
| 00:23.01 | qq- | lenswipe|pissedo, first you running what ? lenny or ? |
| 00:23.17 | lenswipe|pissedo | lenny |
| 00:23.39 | qq- | lenswipe|debian, b/c your kernel is old from squeeze , heh |
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| 00:24.34 | qq- | lenswipe|debian, you mixed release , and that may explain your permanent issues |
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| 00:27.00 | dserban | Ok, here's another "what's the best" question :/ ... I'm looking at urxvt to replace my current terminal emulator, I'm asking myself if this is the best option, it seems that it needs a lot of configuration to get it just right, which I don't mind, but on the other hand the FAQ complains about the Debian package etc. If you had to choose a terminal emulator for X which would it be? |
| 00:27.29 | qq- | xterm |
| 00:28.11 | dserban | xterm got my "dialog" decorations wrong. hence why I've installed every terminal emulator in debian and I've narrowed it down to a few.. |
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| 00:29.32 | wellok`` | hi all just wondering how i can find debian apps that are not in repos. |
| 00:30.00 | wellok`` | i am wanting both chromium-browser still not included. and opera-browser |
| 00:30.06 | qq- | dserban, paste "o poza" sa vedem si noi |
| 00:30.58 | qq- | , versions chromium-browser |
| 00:31.00 | judd | chromium-browser -- sid: 6.0.472.53~r57914-3 |
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| 00:31.23 | holycow | urxvt is quite nice i use it |
| 00:31.51 | holycow | it doesn't need any config to get working really, just install it and go |
| 00:32.26 | wellok`` | judd will that work in debian testing |
| 00:32.29 | JoshH | you still need a good command line for it |
| 00:32.40 | JoshH | and the daemon autostarted |
| 00:33.00 | qq- | wellok``, yes |
| 00:33.31 | wellok`` | qq-: where do i get it sudo apt-get install chromium-browser does nothing |
| 00:33.52 | abrotman | wellok``: you get opera at opera.com |
| 00:33.55 | qq- | wellok``, nah, wget it + dpkg -i it |
| 00:33.57 | abrotman | they have debian packages there |
| 00:34.16 | streuner_ | wellok``: judd is a bot, and chromium just work in Debian squeeze an sid nice |
| 00:34.19 | wellok`` | qq ok this is new to me how to do that |
| 00:34.33 | streuner_ | wellok``: s/an/and/ |
| 00:34.36 | wellok`` | streuner_: ok you know how i can do it |
| 00:34.54 | wellok`` | i prefer true opensorce on linux |
| 00:35.08 | streuner_ | prefers DSFG |
| 00:35.17 | streuner_ | or free sources :-P |
| 00:35.19 | wellok`` | ^ thqt is |
| 00:35.31 | dserban | holycow: aye, though the fonts are icky, i'm running as minimal as I can, using wmii and a triple head setup so I'd like to change fonts and some other stuff, though I like the idea of running a terminal daemon for resource sharing |
| 00:36.41 | qq- | wellok``, uname -r ,says |
| 00:37.42 | wellok`` | uname -r = 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 00:37.43 | Mowee | Hi, where can I see a killed/stopped processus list? |
| 00:37.46 | qq- | wellok``, wget http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian/pool/main/c/chromium-browser/chromium-browser_6.0.472.53~r57914-3_i386.deb |
| 00:38.36 | streuner_ | Mowee: hm, i think you cant, you see running processes via top |
| 00:38.39 | wellok`` | qq-: thanks you do know that chromium 7 is out ay |
| 00:39.08 | Mowee | streuner_, yeah... but I cant see processus killed or stopped anywhere (man ps, syslog...) |
| 00:39.25 | streuner_ | Mowee: maybe in var/log/messages/syslog if they would be daemons |
| 00:39.27 | Mowee | I need it to send mails if one has been killed or stopped |
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| 00:39.38 | streuner_ | hm |
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| 00:50.04 | elik | Say I want a laptop with two interfaces (wired and wifi) to be assigned a single ip address, no matter how it connects, how could I do that? I was thinking of putting two static entries in my dhcp config to assign the same ip to both interfaces, but I'm thinking it would wreak havoc when both are conected |
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| 00:51.36 | macrobat | elik: you want to use them simultaneously? |
| 00:52.01 | anonymous_348 | Hmm,, not sure where to start with resolving this error: http://pastebin.com/9Ewt4iL2 |
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| 00:54.42 | macrobat | anonymous_348: new cd player? look in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules |
| 00:54.51 | systemfault | Hmm.. I wouldn't like to start a flame war or anything.. But how stable is "Testing"? At least as much as the ubuntu/fedora/opensuse of this world? |
| 00:55.35 | systemfault | (I would like to use it at work.. my coworkers are using ubuntu) |
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| 00:55.59 | Gnewt | I made a file undeletable a while ago (can't change perms or delete even as root) and now I want to get rid of it... but I can't remember what I did. |
| 00:56.02 | Gnewt | Ideas? |
| 00:56.35 | chupacabra | elik, you need a dhcp server that will give the same ip to two different mac addresses. |
| 00:57.07 | anonymous_348 | macrobat: nah, it's on my server which is probably 5 years old, lol, but it's same cdrom drive that would have shipped with the computer... I believe it's "/dev/hdd" so I tried "mount /dev/hdd /mnt/cdrom" but it tells me to specify a filesystem type |
| 00:57.20 | chupacabra | they should never be on at the same time with the same ip though |
| 00:58.23 | chupacabra | dunnoo what that would do... |
| 00:58.51 | elik | macrobat, well, yes and no... I mean, sometimes I wireless, I plug in the wire. I don't want to have to mess with all the clients |
| 00:59.05 | macrobat | Gnewt: maybe chattr |
| 00:59.10 | elik | chupacabra, right, that's a bit my worry |
| 00:59.57 | chupacabra | most off the shelf aps wont do that. |
| 01:00.05 | macrobat | systemfault: it depends on so many things |
| 01:00.25 | elik | I could probably manage something on the client side, but erm, that means an effort that scales with the size of the computer park |
| 01:00.45 | chupacabra | you could set it in the laptop also. just set static ips for each interface |
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| 01:01.03 | systemfault | macrobat: I wish it would depend on less things ;) |
| 01:01.11 | elik | well, the idea is to have a dns address refer to a computer, no matter how it's connected |
| 01:01.18 | macrobat | anonymous_348: is there some other node in /dev/ that could be a cdrom? |
| 01:01.29 | systemfault | macrobat: It would basically be a webdev workstation with php |
| 01:02.05 | DanDare | If i delete some file at /etc/udev/rules.d it will be reconstructed at next boot time ? |
| 01:02.06 | chupacabra | elik understood |
| 01:02.19 | anonymous_348 | macrobat: for what it's worth... http://pastebin.com/sYNu1LYh |
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| 01:03.52 | johnfg | hi guys |
| 01:05.09 | johnfg | how do I find out what ports have been given out by openvpn? |
| 01:05.23 | johnfg | On the server, not the client, of course. |
| 01:06.32 | macrobat | systemfault: currently squeeze is frozen, so it might be a bit more stable than usual. you need more knowledge to use testing and unstable |
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| 01:07.49 | systemfault | Ah ok :) |
| 01:08.24 | macrobat | anonymous_348: some block device in /dev? ls -l /dev | grep ^b |
| 01:08.33 | johnfg | I don't suppose any improvements have been made with squeeze and grub2, eh? |
| 01:08.57 | macrobat | idk, check grub2 changelog |
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| 01:10.37 | macrobat | and the bts... |
| 01:10.49 | hell_razer | i am tryind to setup pptpd, i think i have brokt configs, i have removed pptpd and ppp and theit dir in /etc and then install it agein but no files in /etc were cerated how to create base files? |
| 01:12.39 | paranoidphreak | hi everybody, i'm a complete noob and i'd like to know how to get back into gui once i enter the shell command line by pressing the following keys: ctrl+alt+f1 (i tried 'startx' but it didn't work) |
| 01:12.54 | anonymous_348 | macrobat: http://paste.debian.net/89730/ |
| 01:12.57 | hell_razer | f7 |
| 01:13.22 | hell_razer | paranoidphreak: cnrl alt f7 |
| 01:13.32 | paranoidphreak | hell_razer: thanks..... |
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| 01:14.47 | fas3r | hello |
| 01:15.06 | hell_razer | i am tryind to setup pptpd, i think i have brokt configs, i have removed pptpd and ppp and theit dir in /etc and then install it agein but no files in /etc were cerated how to create base files? |
| 01:15.16 | macrobat | anonymous_348: hdd should be it, to my knowledge. can you "eject /dev/hdd"? |
| 01:15.37 | fas3r | i /proc/mdstat i see this : 505920 blocks [2/1] [U_] for one of my raid level 1 .... does that mean i just have one disk on two synchronise ? |
| 01:16.07 | anonymous_348 | macrobat: returned no errors... although i have no way of knowing since i am 120 miles away from the machine. let me make a phone call and see if it worked, lol |
| 01:16.45 | fas3r | in* |
| 01:18.10 | anonymous_348 | macrobat: yup, that worked. thanks! |
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| 01:18.57 | macrobat | anonymous_348: maybe something can be done in /etc/udev/rules.d |
| 01:19.46 | elik | Anybody has an idea of what could be done to have a dns address always refer to the same computer, no matter which interface it connects through |
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| 01:22.12 | macrobat | johnfg: you find open ports with nmap |
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| 01:25.57 | Darksmurf | Anyone here used iscsi (ietd) ? I'm trying to connect to it from a win7 box but I get an authentication failure and everything I read says I shouldn't be having this problem. I'm trying to gPXE boot from an iSCSI volume, but I can't tell if my iSCSI volume is working. |
| 01:27.41 | anonymous_348 | macrobat: no idea... that's all beyond my knowledge |
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| 02:02.18 | Devrethman | I'm having issues setting up dhcpd. Heres my configuration and ifconfig: http://pastebin.com/DeH7gc7H it fails to start saying "dhcpd: bind socket to interface: no such device" to syslog. Here's a strace'd version: http://pastebin.com/w3rNs1K1 |
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| 02:03.46 | qq- | Devrethman, seems dondelelcaro fixed that whit you earlier |
| 02:03.59 | Devrethman | I got the macs changed, and it's still doing it. |
| 02:04.10 | qq- | s/ whit/ whit |
| 02:04.20 | qq- | s/ whit/ with |
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| 02:04.45 | Devrethman | He suggested that I change the MAC address of one of my NICs, which I did, but the error did not change. |
| 02:05.56 | keith4_ | hugs dpkg |
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| 02:14.39 | dondelelcaro | Devrethman: your mac addresses are still the same. |
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| 02:17.07 | Devrethman | dondelelcaro: They are in that pastebin, iot's the same one as before, but I changed eth1_rename_ren to have 20 as the last digit. IF you want I can pastebin the new config, but that's all that's changed. |
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| 02:20.31 | Devrethman | donelelcaro: the nic I have doesn' |
| 02:20.45 | Devrethman | t seem to support changing the mac in hardware, so I changed it in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:24.44 | dondelelcaro | Devrethman: it should support it in hardware, but anyway, the strace will be different too |
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| 02:27.46 | Devrethman | It's pretty similar, the absurdly long parameter to bind() is still there. new one is here: pastebin.com/ZDNVcXS4 |
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| 02:39.34 | dondelelcaro | Devrethman: one more thing to change; rename the interface to eth1, not eth1_yada_yada |
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| 02:42.54 | loiteringsammy | Hey guys, I was trying to remove a package (pidgin, obviously), and I received this message from apt, "E: pidgin-ppa: subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 2" And now I have no idea what to do to get past that. |
| 02:43.06 | Devrethman | dondelelcaro: how do I rename an interface? |
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| 02:43.37 | dondelelcaro | Devrethman: they're named in /etc/udev/rules.d/, typically |
| 02:46.21 | Devrethman | according to /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules it is called eth1 and there aren't any other references to it in there. According to that though the macs are the same... |
| 02:48.06 | Devrethman | dondelelcaro: I have no idea where the rename_ren is coming from |
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| 02:50.18 | dondelelcaro | Devrethman: it's done by udev because the mac addresses are the same |
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| 02:52.18 | Devrethman | yeah... any idea how to change them in hardware? I looked all over and supposedly setting local-mac-address? in openboot to true would do it, but it had no effect. |
| 02:52.45 | dondelelcaro | Devrethman: that's how you're supoooosed to do it; I assume you powered off and powered on after doing that? |
| 02:53.02 | Devrethman | yeah. |
| 02:56.02 | Devrethman | I'm using a netra t1 with "Happy meal" network interfaces if it's any help. |
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| 02:56.31 | dondelelcaro | Devrethman: what's the contents of /etc/udev/rules.d/70-peristent-net.rules? |
| 02:57.18 | Devrethman | pastebin.com/wB7JSF0C |
| 02:58.09 | Nai-ux | how might I find out why linux kernel is taking 1 GB of memory? |
| 02:58.33 | dondelelcaro | Devrethman: anyway, you'll have to rename the device. How you do that depends on what you want to do to udev |
| 02:58.57 | dondelelcaro | Devrethman: the reason that you're having a problem is that you can't have a name longer than 14 characters and set it as a sockaddr |
| 02:59.35 | dondelelcaro | Devrethman: if you bring the interface down, you can rename it using nameif; or similar. Otherwise, figure out why you can't give those devices real mac addresses, or rely on the kernel naming for them |
| 03:02.55 | dondelelcaro | Devrethman: for example, touch /etc/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net.rules; would probably block the interfaces from being renamed, after you had properly configured them to differentiate between eachother using the output of udevinfo -a -p /sys/class/net/eth0_rename_ren |
| 03:03.02 | qq- | Devrethman, is the new net device proper detected by the kernel , i means no irq conflicts or so ? |
| 03:03.15 | dondelelcaro | qq-: no, the problem is that they have the same mac address |
| 03:03.40 | dondelelcaro | and udev renames them to eth?_rename_rename_rename_rename, which gets truncated to eth?_rename_ren, which is > 14 characters long, which is longer than sockaddr.data |
| 03:03.46 | dondelelcaro | and thus bind() blows up |
| 03:04.07 | dondelelcaro | and now I've probably spent more time looking at this than that machine is actually worth |
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| 03:05.40 | qq- | Devrethman, try other net device with other mac address ... |
| 03:05.53 | Devrethman | for the record, the machine is worth 15 bucks. |
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| 03:06.14 | Devrethman | thanks for all the help though :D |
| 03:07.41 | dondelelcaro | yeah; you've problem cost yourself more in power than it's worth, too |
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| 03:08.48 | Devrethman | it's actually remarkably efficient, it uses like 50 watts idling. |
| 03:09.18 | DarkJustice | I don't suppose there is any nifty command line option to retrieve a folder once you delete the trash in gnome is there? |
| 03:09.46 | dondelelcaro | Nai-ux: the kernel almost certainly isn't actually taking that much memory. |
| 03:09.55 | dondelelcaro | Nai-ux: what precisely are you looking at? |
| 03:10.38 | chupacabra | Optimator |
| 03:12.29 | Nai-ux | dondelelcaro: gmemusage after viewing top |
| 03:12.48 | Nai-ux | linux 909308k , is this including filesystem cache? excuse my ignorance |
| 03:13.05 | Devrethman | the kernel caches things pretty aggressively IIRC, if you actually need that memory, the kernel will stop using it |
| 03:13.28 | Nai-ux | that is how i understood it from an Irix perspective |
| 03:14.17 | Nai-ux | can we get access to that and clean what I might think to be unneeded cacheing? |
| 03:14.49 | chupacabra | why cant i search for basil wolverton ? |
| 03:14.51 | macrobat | maybe this is still accurate http://virtualthreads.blogspot.com/2006/02/understanding-memory-usage-on-linux.html |
| 03:16.45 | DarkJustice | is there any way at all to retrieve a folder/file once you empty the trash? |
| 03:17.08 | Nai-ux | thanks macrobat |
| 03:19.12 | dondelelcaro | Nai-ux: unless you have a specific problem, it's probably not worth worying about. The output of free; may be illumating as well as /msg dpkg free ram |
| 03:19.38 | Nai-ux | DarkJustice: ext2 ? you can find which filesystem with "df -Th" |
| 03:20.08 | Nai-ux | I saw some toolkits/procedures for recovering from ext2 but not ext3 |
| 03:20.26 | DarkJustice | unfortunately it's ext3 |
| 03:20.34 | Nai-ux | dondelelcaro: thanks, yes i was just being cautious |
| 03:21.04 | Nai-ux | DarkJustice: if i were you, i would not touch the system and investigate from another system as to not go over the free space |
| 03:21.22 | DarkJustice | Nai-ux, unfort. this is the only system I have |
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| 03:25.45 | Nai-ux | I am not sure how to go about that DarkJustice, if I was in your situation and the file was important I would use web browser on a different system (runs some tests if ext3 is possible there) and return with a working procedure for the live system |
| 03:25.46 | dondelelcaro | DarkJustice: if it's really important, mount the filesystem read-only, then back it up, then continue. Ease of recovery depends on what type of file it was, etc. Otherwise, restore from backups. |
| 03:26.43 | DarkJustice | it's not super important just a few files in a folder I didn't want to have to re-type |
| 03:27.06 | hell_razer | any ideas how to fix http://pastebin.com/M2AcwtvS |
| 03:27.53 | gnarface | hell_razer: is that supposed to be some sort of vpn? |
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| 03:30.15 | hell_razer | gnarface: it is connecting from windows xp sp3 |
| 03:30.33 | hell_razer | gnarface: with same configs at archlinux its works from box |
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| 03:32.00 | gnarface | hell_razer: i don't have a solution for you i just hate that ppp/pptp crap. never could get it to work right. you should consider something less archaic, like openvpn |
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| 03:32.40 | hell_razer | gnarface: setup openvpn is too hard for me i think |
| 03:34.09 | nsadmin | so you haven't actually tried it? |
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| 03:35.08 | hell_razer | i haven tried openvpn, ssl keys brokes my head |
| 03:36.45 | codestr0m | I'm interested to have a spec file converted over to a .dsc and debian/ directory.. it's for an open source project and we can pay a small bounty.. pm me if you're interested.. spec file - https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file?file=path64.spec&package=path64&project=home%3Apathscale&srcmd5=65efaa65ba02019bdf16d290a84b1d25 |
| 03:36.50 | gnarface | easier than trying to make sense of fragmentary and outdated ppp documentation, in my opinion |
| 03:37.04 | gnarface | i love ssl keys |
| 03:37.08 | gnarface | they are the shit |
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| 03:38.50 | gnarface | hell_razer: do you actually need a vpn? or could you accomplish this just with ssh? |
| 03:39.12 | hell_razer | gnarface: i have posgtres and wnat to secure it by vpn |
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| 03:41.44 | gnarface | hell_razer: if this is a connection between only two computers, i think you can still do that with ssh. |
| 03:42.13 | codestr0m | is there a packaging related channel that's better for me to ask in? |
| 03:42.32 | codestr0m | debian-devel requires an invite.. (what shit is that) |
| 03:42.51 | hell_razer | gnarface: that will be 10+- computers with windows and crazy soft which work with psotgres and havent option dont save password, so i need secure it |
| 03:42.53 | gnarface | codestr0m: maybe they moved it to irc.oftc.net? |
| 03:42.55 | dondelelcaro | codestr0m: we work in irc.oftc.net, not irc.freenode.net |
| 03:43.24 | codestr0m | gnarface: Ubuntu used to or I thought still does sponsor freenode, but ok |
| 03:43.34 | dondelelcaro | codestr0m: we're Debian, not Ubuntu... |
| 03:43.48 | codestr0m | dondelelcaro: same thing ;) |
| 03:43.54 | Nai-ux | wvdial was great =) |
| 03:44.09 | dondelelcaro | codestr0m: um... no. |
| 03:44.31 | codestr0m | dondelelcaro: have a sense of humor.. (even if my dry joke may not be funny) |
| 03:44.45 | codestr0m | goes to oftc |
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| 03:45.15 | chaz | I'm installing 10.04 from the alternate cd. It boots on the cd fine but after I select my language and keyboard it says it cannot find a common cd-rom drive. I have a sata connected hard drive and dvd-rom drive how do I get the installer to work correctly? It should detect it if it could boot off it? |
| 03:45.38 | hell_razer | gnarface: i will try to setup open vpn, if i will have some problems i will ask you) |
| 03:46.27 | hell_razer | gnarface: and one stupid is it has login/password clien auth without sertificate for client? |
| 03:47.18 | hell_razer | *stupid question |
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| 03:48.45 | Beta2K | Anyone know if the lenny ppc repos have moved? |
| 03:49.32 | Beta2K | Anything I try and grab from the net other then apt-get update sits at waiting for headers |
| 03:50.18 | dondelelcaro | Beta2K: nope; they're still there |
| 03:50.39 | dondelelcaro | Beta2K: your mirror may not be carrying ppc (not all mirrors do) but we still distribute it from the main mirrors |
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| 03:51.12 | Beta2K | the default is volatile.debain.org |
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| 03:51.23 | Beta2K | Is that a round robin? |
| 03:51.25 | dondelelcaro | Beta2K: volatile is not a full mirror |
| 03:52.40 | hexoroid | hi i have a simple question |
| 03:53.03 | hexoroid | on my debian box venet0 is 127.0.0.1 and venet0:0 is the real ip is there a way i can switch those around |
| 03:53.12 | hexoroid | so venet0 is the public ip not 127.0.0.1 |
| 03:54.04 | dondelelcaro | hexoroid: uh.. only lo should be 127.0.0.1 |
| 03:54.13 | hexoroid | yeah it is |
| 03:54.23 | hexoroid | but i dont know why in this case venet0 is 127.0.0.1 also |
| 03:54.33 | dondelelcaro | hexoroid: whatever venet0 is, it's misconfigured |
| 03:54.56 | hexoroid | i have 2 ips how can i remove it ? |
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| 03:57.41 | hexoroid | anybody ? |
| 03:58.09 | Ogmios | hexoroid: what is that vnet interface for? |
| 03:58.15 | dondelelcaro | hexoroid: unless you tell us more about what venet0 is, and why it has 127.0.0.1, we won't be able to help you much |
| 03:58.18 | hexoroid | well i have 3 ips |
| 03:58.32 | hexoroid | lo, vnet0 = 127.0.0 and vnet0:0 - vnet0:2 my 3 ips |
| 03:58.44 | hell_razer | gnarface: first problem /etc/openvpn/easy-rsa have 2.0 and 1.0 files what to build? |
| 03:58.48 | hexoroid | i really want venet0 to be my main ip |
| 03:59.40 | hell_razer | hexoroid: i am using brige connect and have forget problems of vbox network managment |
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| 04:00.47 | Ogmios | http://bugzilla.openvz.org/show_bug.cgi?id=883 |
| 04:01.25 | Ogmios | that is what I found digging aroung about the venet0 interface |
| 04:02.25 | Beta2K | dondelelcaro: I moved to ftp.ca.debian.org and it's still sittin waiting for headers... |
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| 04:07.44 | Ogmios | I have never used OpenVZ myself so, my input will end here. |
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| 04:09.27 | hexoroid | i have php installed on apache but when in bash when i type php it tells me command not found |
| 04:09.37 | hexoroid | do i need to install something |
| 04:09.58 | NiLon | hexoroid php5-cli |
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| 04:10.39 | hexoroid | ok ill try over apt-get |
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| 04:12.07 | hexoroid | hmm apt-get install php5-cli didnt work |
| 04:12.43 | Ogmios | apt-cache search php |grep cli |
| 04:12.56 | hexoroid | it tells me 404 not found |
| 04:13.09 | hexoroid | it can not fetch it from their website |
| 04:13.51 | hexoroid | fixed it needed update |
| 04:15.41 | gnarface | hell_razer: 2.0, ignore all the 1.0 stuff |
| 04:16.03 | gnarface | hell_razer: same with the openvpn documentation - ignore all the 1.0 stuff, just use the latest version |
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| 04:17.05 | gnarface | hexoroid: in debian there are three separate php installs, one for cli, one for cgi and one for mod_php. they each have their own distinct php.ini config file |
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| 04:17.44 | gnarface | hexoroid: also in debian, *most* the things you'd have to recompile php to get on say, redhat, are available as additional modules. do a apt-cache search ^php5 |
| 04:18.13 | gnarface | hexoroid: sorry additional *packages* i meant to say |
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| 04:26.36 | hell_razer | gnarface: http://adminletters.blogspot.com/2009/06/openvpn-debian.html not english, but i think u will understnad - is it actual manual? |
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| 04:34.51 | gnarface | hell_razer: looks about right. this is the official one: http://openvpn.net/index.php/open-source/documentation/howto.html |
| 04:36.05 | gnarface | hell_razer: on debian you would replace the commands listed under "Linux Notes (using RPM package)" with apt-get install openvpn |
| 04:36.26 | gnarface | the rest should be pretty generic |
| 04:36.39 | hell_razer | i am absolutly dont understand key politic |
| 04:37.28 | gnarface | hell_razer: maybe this can help if you can read the english well enough? http://tldp.org/HOWTO/SSL-Certificates-HOWTO/ |
| 04:37.49 | gnarface | hell_razer: openvpn's easy-rsa thing makes it much easier though. |
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| 04:38.14 | hell_razer | i have crieted keys with default config |
| 04:38.15 | gnarface | hell_razer: the basic idea is that the server gets an ssl key, and each of the clients also get an ssl key. |
| 04:38.26 | gnarface | every ssl key must be unique |
| 04:38.38 | gnarface | the clients are identified by ssl key instead of by password |
| 04:38.53 | hell_razer | oh, thats brokes all my idea |
| 04:39.11 | Bushmills | openvpn clients *can* use same keys but that setup is not recommended |
| 04:39.15 | gnarface | the server is ALSO identified by ssl so that you know you are connecting to the right server (no man-in-the-middle attacks) |
| 04:39.18 | hell_razer | i want thet every time whtn client login he puts him password |
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| 04:40.30 | gnarface | hell_razer: the ssl keys are more secure. |
| 04:40.34 | factor | Does anyone know of a meter to detect usb bandwidth usage |
| 04:41.01 | Bushmills | hell_razer: read about --auth-user-pass and --auth-user-pass-verify in the openvpn man page |
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| 04:54.01 | gnarface | factor: i'm sure there is a better way, but have you tried iotop? |
| 04:54.37 | gnarface | i myself am curious to know if it is useful for this task |
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| 04:58.09 | gnarface | anyone notice that they put the link to the 64 bit flash from adobelabs on the adobe flash downloader page? the page it goes to remains useless though :( |
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| 05:44.19 | saik0 | Is there a way to remove a package from the dpkg db, and rm the files later? |
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| 05:46.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's totally contrary to what apt is for |
| 05:47.18 | saik0 | I've backed myself into a corner with a package thats in a failed-cfg state |
| 05:47.26 | saik0 | Cant remove it, cant rinstall it |
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| 05:47.44 | gnarface | you can purge it |
| 05:47.48 | gnarface | can't you? |
| 05:48.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | put the complete error in a pastebin |
| 05:48.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | he can't when the postrm script fails |
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| 05:48.36 | I-are- | hello. I am using lenny LXDE what is the best way to create an application launch bar shortcut for a program that does not have a .desktop file? |
| 05:49.08 | gnarface | create a .desktop file? |
| 05:50.01 | gnarface | just guessing |
| 05:50.09 | I-are- | gnarface. ok I will check and see how to do that. |
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| 05:51.10 | saik0 | CutMeOwnThroat: http://pastebin.com/aacPVXKe |
| 05:51.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | gnarface, heh... yes... seems obvious from what he said - I just thought I wouldn't know what an application launch bar is or how you shortcut it ... :-P |
| 05:53.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | why don't you do what dpkg suggestst and reinstall it first? |
| 05:53.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | you're already missing files from this package |
| 05:53.16 | yardleydobon | Can someone recommend an image library that will read and write many image formats without loss of precision, please? |
| 05:53.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | apart from this... yes, as I thought... |
| 05:53.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | !postrm |
| 05:53.57 | dpkg | postrm is probably /var/lib/dpkg/info/<package name>.postrm and this is where most of the package problems appear. Edit the script and comment out offending lines or just NULL the file. |
| 05:54.07 | flaarg | yardleydobon: imlib2 maybe? |
| 05:54.16 | I-are- | CutMeOwnThroat, adding a shortcut to the the launch bar is easy if you get the package from debian repo's but I added firefox 3.6 and it has not .desktop file. I will have to find out what is needed to create one and create it I guess. Otherwise I will have to run firefox from command line everytime |
| 05:54.24 | I-are- | or add xbindkeys |
| 05:55.35 | I-are- | CutMeOwnThroat, packages from debian usually have the .desktop file included. Then you just decide if you want to add it or not. |
| 05:55.41 | gnarface | one of the many reasons i prefer e16 over kde or gnome - far greater ease of manual menu entry manipulation |
| 05:56.17 | I-are- | Yes. I can switch to the openbox default menus and use right click to access everything. that is pretty easy |
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| 05:57.32 | saik0 | CutMeOwnThroat: Did that, but dpkg -i <<fixedpackage>> produced the same error. Am I missing something on how to reinstall? |
| 05:58.03 | I-are- | oh well gotta to deal with it tomorrow. time for bed. Thanks. |
| 05:58.29 | gnarface | saik0: did this package come from debian, or did you download it elsewhere? |
| 05:58.46 | saik0 | gnarface: Long story, but in short elsewhere |
| 05:59.00 | gnarface | saik0: try the built-in debian one. maybe it won't be horribly broken? |
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| 06:04.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmh |
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| 06:04.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | saik0, so a simple aptitude reinstall transmission-daemon wouldn't do? |
| 06:06.33 | saik0 | It does not exist in my distro, hence why I was porting it in |
| 06:07.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmh, this channel is debian-only |
| 06:07.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | look at /var/lib/dpkg/info/transmission-daemon* |
| 06:07.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | should be transmission-daemon.prerm that fails |
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| 06:08.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | worst case you can null the file or put "exit 0" in line one |
| 06:08.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | but of course that lets all stuff that it's supposed to do undone |
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| 06:11.28 | saik0 | It's just a few lines, some init stuff and user/group creation. I can do that manually. |
| 06:11.58 | saik0 | Didnt know thats where dpkg kept the pre/post scripts, thanks for the help i think that solves it |
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| 07:09.41 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 07:09.43 | lenswipe | how do i backport my kernel to be compatable with nvidia stuff? |
| 07:10.03 | lenswipe | anyone? |
| 07:11.04 | lenswipe | jhutchins, poke |
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| 07:11.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | magic! |
| 07:12.17 | lenswipe | CutMeOwnThroat, srsly how do i backport the debian kernel? |
| 07:12.18 | simonrvn | aptitude install non-crap-video-card |
| 07:12.50 | lenswipe | simonrvn, how about aptitude install video-card-made-in-1980-and-therefore-compatable-with-debian |
| 07:13.00 | lenswipe | seriously why the fuck wont debian support anything made in this century |
| 07:13.06 | simonrvn | 'compatible' |
| 07:13.33 | simonrvn | um, nothing to do with debian. everything to do with your kernel. QuitYerBitchin. |
| 07:13.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's nothing anybody can answer from the information you gave |
| 07:13.44 | lenswipe | simonrvn, no its everything to do with debian |
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| 07:14.13 | lenswipe | simonrvn, its alot to do with debian that the kernel that comes with it wont support any of the new video cards or IDE controllers, lets face it a computer with no HDD and video card is a pretty shit one |
| 07:14.14 | flaarg | does the nvidia sh from nvidia.com still not compile against the kernel? |
| 07:14.19 | lenswipe | CutMeOwnThroat, i dont know what more information you need |
| 07:14.22 | simonrvn | should i just add you to my ignore list, or are you goig to use your head and stop to think for a minute? |
| 07:14.29 | lenswipe | flaarg, no it doesnt it throws some kernel related error |
| 07:14.40 | flaarg | lenswipe: yah its the nvidia binary broken |
| 07:14.52 | lenswipe | flaarg, even though im using this kernel? |
| 07:14.56 | lenswipe | 2.6.32-trunk-686 |
| 07:15.00 | flaarg | yah |
| 07:15.10 | simonrvn | remove that kernel. it's dead. |
| 07:15.11 | lenswipe | well it worked when i installed last time |
| 07:15.13 | flaarg | you have to extract and change the source to the nvidia blob |
| 07:15.14 | lenswipe | flaarg, told ya |
| 07:15.23 | lenswipe | simonrvn, it came with the lenny backport |
| 07:15.35 | flaarg | or you can just use the nvidia-glx |
| 07:15.40 | lenswipe | simonrvn, and thats exactly what im *trying* to get people to tell me how to do |
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| 07:15.51 | lenswipe | flaarg, in english? |
| 07:15.54 | lenswipe | <flaarg> you have to extract and change the source to the nvidia blob |
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| 07:16.18 | flaarg | lenswipe: the sh has a command to extract it to a directory. then you I had to edit one of the source files to get it to compile against my kernel |
| 07:16.26 | flaarg | I was hoping they fixed it |
| 07:16.36 | flaarg | I have a couple month old blob |
| 07:16.48 | lenswipe | flaarg, last time i installed it worked perfectly |
| 07:17.03 | lenswipe | and i think it was because someone in here got me to install a newer backported kernel |
| 07:17.06 | flaarg | I think its a change in 2.6.32 |
| 07:17.12 | flaarg | and newer kernels |
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| 07:17.22 | flaarg | not really sure |
| 07:17.24 | lenswipe | flaarg, the only reason im re-installing to begin with is because jhutchins told me to re-install |
| 07:17.33 | flaarg | but if you google the error there is a solution to fix the problem |
| 07:18.17 | lenswipe | flaarg, the solution to the problem is to install a backported kernel |
| 07:18.20 | lenswipe | how do i do it? |
| 07:18.22 | lenswipe | or is it a secret |
| 07:18.53 | flaarg | http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 07:18.59 | lenswipe | ty |
| 07:20.02 | flaarg | im goign to try the newest nvidia blob to see if it works |
| 07:20.09 | lenswipe | ok |
| 07:21.10 | lenswipe | flaarg, okay how do i install the new kernel? |
| 07:21.25 | lenswipe | that tutorial told me how to edit ./etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 07:21.56 | flaarg | ok the latest nvidia blob compiles cleanly against the current debian testing kernel |
| 07:22.14 | lenswipe | flaarg, i dont have the current debian kernel |
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| 07:22.25 | lenswipe | because guess what it wouldnt recognise my HDD controller |
| 07:22.29 | lenswipe | huzaah for debian |
| 07:24.26 | flaarg | lenswipe: use the search to find the backport package you want to install linux-image-something-something for you, then you have to pin it as it says int he instructions, then you can install it |
| 07:24.45 | flaarg | or you can use apt-get -t lenny-backports install linux-image-something-someting |
| 07:25.03 | flaarg | use the search tool to find what you need |
| 07:25.14 | lenswipe | flaarg, thanks but that doesnt really help |
| 07:25.20 | lenswipe | i know how to use apt-get |
| 07:25.24 | lenswipe | i just dont know what im sposed to be installing |
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| 07:25.27 | flaarg | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image&searchon=names§ion=all&suite=lenny-backports |
| 07:25.50 | lenswipe | the only thing i know is that i want put another kernel in |
| 07:26.06 | flaarg | if you have a 686 install, it would be apt-get -t lenny-backports install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 07:26.08 | lenswipe | but i cant find any online tutorials to do it and that link you pasted is fairly useless as it just tells you how to use apt-get |
| 07:26.11 | lenswipe | thanks |
| 07:26.32 | flaarg | I guess it just seems straight forward to somebody that has used debian for several years |
| 07:26.40 | lenswipe | indeed |
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| 07:26.58 | lenswipe | flaarg, ive been using debian/debian base for a while |
| 07:27.10 | lenswipe | it just hasnt been a PITA until i tried running it with >90s hardware |
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| 07:27.40 | flaarg | debian works great on my core2 desktop and my netbook |
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| 07:27.54 | flaarg | of course I got both knowing that it would |
| 07:27.54 | lenswipe | flaarg, lucky you |
| 07:28.19 | danslo | can't even netinstall with stable/testing/unstable with my SSD/i7/x58 |
| 07:29.29 | flaarg | if you have multiple hard drive controllers in your bios try a different one. I know I had to use an ide controller instead of ahci to install windows xp on this desktop |
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| 07:30.16 | lenswipe | flaarg, W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl8168d-2.fw for module r8169 |
| 07:30.17 | lenswipe | W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl8168d-1.fw for module r8169 |
| 07:30.22 | lenswipe | any thoughts on that? |
| 07:30.29 | flaarg | lenswipe: I get that everytime, it doesn't effect me at all |
| 07:30.33 | lenswipe | okay |
| 07:30.35 | lenswipe | ima reboot |
| 07:30.36 | lenswipe | brb |
| 07:30.40 | flaarg | im not saying it won't effect you though |
| 07:30.42 | flaarg | but |
| 07:30.48 | flaarg | oh well |
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| 07:41.05 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 07:41.16 | lenswipe | flaarg, i cant get the thing to work |
| 07:41.32 | lenswipe | it gives me an error about not being able to find the kernel source tree or something |
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| 07:43.06 | danslo | lenswipe: you mean the proprietary nvidia driver? get linux-headers for your current kernel |
| 07:43.20 | danslo | (seeing as you backported your kernel, you'll probably need to backport those too) |
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| 07:43.42 | lenswipe | how do install them? |
| 07:43.44 | danslo | try something like: apt-get -t lenny-backports install linux-headers-2.6-686 |
| 07:43.48 | lenswipe | TYY |
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| 08:23.01 | sprink | What's the best way to do a *clean* upgrade from lenny->squeeze? |
| 08:23.20 | sprink | by that, I mean I don't want to upgrade all the packages I added, I'd rather leave them behind and start over fresh |
| 08:23.32 | gnarface | apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade for a clean upgrade |
| 08:23.37 | nsadmin | then remove them |
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| 08:24.12 | nsadmin | actually, first you want to aptitude update ; aptitude install aptitude to start with |
| 08:24.35 | sprink | Is there a easy way to remove all non standard required installed packages? |
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| 08:24.54 | sprink | as in, revert back to a default install, with all other packages removed? |
| 08:25.18 | nsadmin | hmm. my first question is why bother? second question, why squeeze, third question, why not just reinstall |
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| 08:26.10 | Parsifal | sprink: A clean install will do that for you. |
| 08:26.22 | sprink | I've installed a lot of stuff in lenny I no longer need or want. I need squeeze because I need the .32 kernel. I don't really like to do complete reinstalls if i don't have to. |
| 08:26.44 | nsadmin | you don't need squeeze just for .32 |
| 08:26.52 | nsadmin | and why do you need .32? |
| 08:27.11 | sprink | Because I have ran into a kernel bug in the lenny kernel |
| 08:27.21 | sprink | I reported it yesterday |
| 08:27.31 | nsadmin | what about the backport .32? |
| 08:28.06 | sprink | I'd rather just upgrade to squeeze than backport |
| 08:28.55 | sprink | Parsifal: So the mentioned upgrade process won't include all the extra stuff I've installed since my initial install? |
| 08:29.09 | nsadmin | then do it, with your first step being switch your sources.list to squeeze, and then aptitude update and aptitude install aptitude |
| 08:29.26 | nsadmin | you want to do those things first, then upgrade the kerenl and reboot |
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| 08:29.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, lenny->squeeze |
| 08:29.55 | dpkg | Ask me about <squeeze udev>, as you will need to upgrade to the squeeze kernel and reboot first. Remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile) or bpo, then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude linux-image-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` ; reboot; aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>, <squeeze release notes>. |
| 08:30.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | sprink, ^^^ |
| 08:30.04 | sprink | *sigh* nobody listens |
| 08:30.28 | sprink | I know how to do the upgrade. That's not what I'm asking |
| 08:30.40 | nsadmin | if you have a list of package names you want to remove, then remove them |
| 08:30.57 | themill | !uninstall everything |
| 08:30.57 | dpkg | To uninstall just about every package from your machine except the ones in the "standard" install, try something like: "aptitude purge ~i ~pstandard+ ~prequired+ ~pimportant+". Add additional packages with a + or : after them to the end to stop them being removed. Look *carefully* at what aptitude is planning to do to make sure you agree. Ask me about <aptitude docs>. |
| 08:30.58 | nsadmin | is now out of this conversation |
| 08:31.10 | sprink | thank you themill |
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| 08:32.21 | sprink | That is exactly what I was looking for |
| 08:32.23 | sprink | :) |
| 08:32.59 | themill | sprink: no worries. happy hunting. |
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| 08:34.27 | sprink | 04:26:06 < Parsifal> sprink: A clean install will do that for you. |
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| 08:34.41 | sprink | themill: will doing the upgrade process do that as well? |
| 08:34.55 | nsadmin | which would be in response to your second post |
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| 08:35.33 | sprink | My second post? Can you clarify? |
| 08:35.47 | themill | sprink: are you asking "would the upgrade process remove every package you've installed"? No. |
| 08:35.50 | nsadmin | not clarify, I'll simply quote |
| 08:36.17 | nsadmin | <sprink> as in, revert back to a default install, with all other packages removed? |
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| 08:36.48 | sprink | So one of you says yes the other says no :( |
| 08:37.30 | themill | sprink: I suspect no-one really knows what your question is at this stage |
| 08:37.31 | nsadmin | now who's not listening... a clean install is what will do that |
| 08:38.03 | nsadmin | he wants to remove all packages he installed and then upgrade |
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| 08:38.37 | sprink | Yes. That is correct. Now I was asking if upgrading will do that automatically |
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| 08:38.55 | nsadmin | I'll agree with the "no" |
| 08:38.59 | themill | sprink: please carefully and precisely define "that" |
| 08:39.14 | themill | [09:35] <themill> sprink: are you asking "would the upgrade process remove every package you've installed"? No. |
| 08:39.26 | themill | why on earth would we create an upgrade process that destroys your installation? |
| 08:39.36 | sprink | Ilol |
| 08:39.47 | nsadmin | had you always used aptitude to install? (never apt-get or dpkg directly) |
| 08:40.06 | sprink | nsadmin: I've used all 3 |
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| 08:40.29 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 08:40.49 | sprink | themill: by 'that'. I meant: Remove packages that were not installed automatically by the default base install |
| 08:40.49 | nsadmin | then it's going to be hard for the system to automatically determine the difference between you installing a package, and a package installed due to dependency |
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| 08:41.24 | nsadmin | aptitude could provide you that list IF you only used aptitude |
| 08:41.33 | themill | nsadmin: or apt-get from lenny onwards. |
| 08:41.37 | nsadmin | if not, the results are unspecified |
| 08:42.05 | sprink | Alrighty, understood. Thanks guys |
| 08:42.22 | gypsymauro | I've fromatted a partition with ext3, I mounted it but df says strange things.. 55G 180M 52G 1% /mnt/SERVER023-TEMP , why it looses 3 GB?? |
| 08:42.26 | themill | sprink: ok. That's what I thought you meant... I just couldn't come to grips with you asking if the upgrade process would intentionally destroy your installation or not.... I assumed that I had misunderstood. No, of course it doesn't automatically remove everything else. |
| 08:43.00 | sprink | themill: lol :) okay thanks |
| 08:43.10 | themill | dpkg: tell gypsymauro about reserved disk space |
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| 08:46.19 | gypsymauro | themill: tanx, but what about the 180 M of used space? |
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| 09:11.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | why the hell would he want to remove all packages and not make a fres hinstall? |
| 09:11.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's like not having a cake and eating it neither |
| 09:11.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | or... |
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| 09:19.34 | bitreader | Where's abrotman? |
| 09:19.49 | bitreader | I demand, abrotman. If I don't get no abrotman, I will abort man. |
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| 09:24.54 | streuner | bitreader: do you have a debian question? |
| 09:25.42 | nsadmin | bitreader: aborting man will be difficult as normally a pregnancy produces a child... |
| 09:26.20 | bitreader | Someone wants to pull out the ban hammer... No son, I just wanted to pull that amazing joke here in #debian. |
| 09:26.23 | bitreader | You kids are welcome. |
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| 09:27.25 | streuner | you are talking nonsense |
| 09:27.35 | newsense | ? |
| 09:27.40 | newsense | oh nm |
| 09:27.51 | newsense | need to remove that hilight |
| 09:27.59 | streuner | newsense: oh, sorry |
| 09:28.18 | newsense | no it's my fault haha |
| 09:28.40 | courpse | lol. |
| 09:29.31 | newsense | had a troll that was defaming me so i sety about 20 hilights for every mispelled version of my nick he used |
| 09:30.11 | nsadmin | you wanted to feel more defamed? :) |
| 09:30.39 | streuner | thought the same... |
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| 09:31.19 | newsense | i like to know when i am being defamed, anyways |
| 09:33.35 | newsense | hey while i got a few people listening, anyone got a recommendation on some software to detect network attacks/portscans ? |
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| 09:34.11 | newsense | something that ain't gonna require a lot of regex for logcheck |
| 09:34.31 | sprink | dpkg doesnt listen to PM's if you're not in the channel huh, heh |
| 09:34.31 | dpkg | sprink: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 09:34.42 | newsense | sprink: nope |
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| 09:49.18 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 09:49.18 | dpkg | <jarjar26> how can i start gnome automatically when gnome start ? |
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| 09:51.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | wonders what the answer was |
| 09:54.38 | liable | wiats for Sup|Lobby to become Sup|Apartment |
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| 09:55.20 | jamesmacleod | Hey guys, I am following a tutorial on setting up haproxy with mysql |
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| 09:55.52 | jamesmacleod | the doc I am following calls for a xinetd script that returns the status of the mysql server |
| 09:56.58 | jamesmacleod | but I don't have xinetd installed so I am looking at how to run the script as a service in an alternative way, any ideas? |
| 09:57.46 | jelly | jamesmacleod: a) install it; b) use the default inetd and its /etc/inetd.conf |
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| 09:58.28 | jelly | (use any of those options) |
| 09:59.12 | jamesmacleod | jelly: cheers I will look into how inetd works to try and re-werite the xinetd script |
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| 10:05.00 | jamesstanley | I have used "gdmflexiserver" in the past to make a new GDM login screen appear. However, today it seems that instead of logging me in to a new X session, it just accepts a username and password and throws me back in to the old one. |
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| 10:07.03 | Karen_m | I have a xeon 3470, should I be installing ia64 or amd_64? |
| 10:07.27 | jamesstanley | amd64, as far as I know |
| 10:07.37 | nsadmin | I believe ia64 is itanium |
| 10:07.38 | jamesstanley | ia64 is only for itaniam |
| 10:07.48 | Karen_m | ok thank you |
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| 10:16.00 | EverettZ | Is there a list of minimal packages available? I am using a VPS that came without a minimal image option and would like to start from a more basic install and enable only the packages I need. |
| 10:16.06 | EverettZ | Using Lenny. |
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| 10:18.02 | jamesstanley | EverettZ: if you can start from a more basic install, and then want to add packages, then surely the basic install is the minimal image? |
| 10:19.42 | EverettZ | jamesstanley: Sorry I wasn't clear. My VPS provider doesn't offer a minimal image, so I need to remove packages to get back to minimal and then selectively add packages. The Image I was given has all sorts of packages (apache, etc.) already installed |
| 10:20.36 | jamesstanley | you can do "dpkg -l | grep ii" to roughly get a list of packages installed on your system, and then go through removing the ones you dont' want |
| 10:20.42 | jamesstanley | i wouldn't say it's worth the effort though |
| 10:21.25 | EverettZ | jamesstanley: I know I can get a list of installed packages, I am looking for a recommended minimal list of packages. |
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| 10:21.46 | jamesstanley | EverettZ: anything you don't want can be removed, as far as I know there is no list of minimal packages |
| 10:22.01 | stew | EverettZ: you could remove packages of priority optional and extra, perhaps with "aptitude -s remove '~i~poptional' '~i~pextra'" |
| 10:22.02 | jamesstanley | Obviously you'll want an sshd (presumably openssh), and a shell, and sysvinit |
| 10:22.15 | stew | EverettZ: the -s means "simulate" so it won't do anyhting until you take off the -s |
| 10:23.31 | stew | EverettZ: that should leave you with packages only of priority: required, important, standard |
| 10:23.58 | EverettZ | jamesstanley: stew: Thanks, that helps. |
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| 10:27.05 | stew | EverettZ: you might be careful to not remove openssh-server, which is priority optional, if that's your only way onto the box |
| 10:28.00 | jamesstanley | EverettZ: but if you do, don't panic because most VPS providers have some way of giving you access to the console (normally over another ssh connection with something like "xm console" in xen) |
| 10:28.03 | stew | EverettZ: so perhaps "aptitude -s remove '~i~poptional' '~i~pextra' openssh-server+" instead |
| 10:28.18 | EverettZ | stew: thanks, I'll manually remove the packeges suggested individually |
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| 10:29.06 | EverettZ | stew: It appears that aptitude isn't installed when I do apt-get install aptitude it says "no installation candidate" |
| 10:29.45 | nsadmin | pastebin your sources.list |
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| 10:34.32 | EverettZ | nsadmin: http://pastebin.com/aRuHYTcZ |
| 10:37.14 | stew | EverettZ: run "apt-get update" first |
| 10:38.31 | EverettZ | stew: Thanks, I thought I had done that, it's usually the first thing I do. Aptitude installed now. |
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| 10:38.56 | stew | EverettZ: if you are going manually remove packages "aptitude search -F'%p' '~i~poptional' '~i~pextra'" will give you a list which is easier to work with |
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| 10:40.23 | EverettZ | stew: Thanks for all the help, that should get me started. |
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| 10:41.03 | nsadmin | you should now find out if aptitude has tasks it thinks it should do |
| 10:41.13 | EverettZ | one unrelated question. Can I login to ssh, run a process in the background, logout, and expect it to keep running? |
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| 10:41.30 | nsadmin | you can run it in a screen session |
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| 10:42.03 | EverettZ | So basically I am asking if I can manually start a service |
| 10:42.08 | Number5 | EverettZ: apt-get install screen |
| 10:42.18 | nsadmin | why manually? |
| 10:42.30 | nsadmin | yes you can |
| 10:42.49 | EverettZ | nsadmin: I suppose I should just learn how to create a service, which would be the more robust plan |
| 10:43.29 | nsadmin | well one reason you might start it manually is if you want to see the output of it running in the fg |
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| 10:44.16 | nsadmin | but if your intent is to eventually automate it, it does look like learning is in your future\ |
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| 10:46.24 | EverettZ | nsadmin: I'll go the learning route, but that's for another day. Thanks again all for the polite and professional assistance. |
| 10:48.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | EverettZ, you o.... |
| 10:48.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | they always do that |
| 10:48.57 | nsadmin | how dare they think that's all they wanted... |
| 10:49.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | right! |
| 10:49.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | as if it was up to them to decide! |
| 10:49.41 | nsadmin | some people... the very nerve... |
| 10:50.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | right |
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| 10:50.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's the world coming to |
| 10:51.17 | zophy | aight, the world is a rock |
| 10:51.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | they probably leave, then next thing they do, they deport Roma out of France |
| 10:52.17 | nsadmin | oh, they were going to do that anyway... |
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| 10:54.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | but then they were probably going to leave anyway, too |
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| 10:58.54 | ASIRIneiluJ-Home | hi |
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| 11:00.29 | ASIRIneiluJ-Home | can anyone help me: I'd like to add files (radeon firmware) to the initramfs generated by update-initramfs and don't know where to start |
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| 11:01.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmh |
| 11:01.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | !initramfs |
| 11:01.54 | dpkg | rumour has it, initramfs is the new <initrd>. See http://www.ducea.com/2006/10/10/debian-etch-kernels/ for Sarge and Etch kernel differences (forward looking as we know it prior to etch's release), or ask me about <initramfs debug>. See also <targeted>. http://wiki.debian.org/initramfs |
| 11:02.38 | nsadmin | there's a firmware system already in place; you probably don't need to do things in the initrd |
| 11:02.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps the wiki has something... the words in <> means there's another factoid, so you can do /msg dpkg targeted ... but it's not exactly what you want |
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| 11:03.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, wrong factoid |
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| 11:04.11 | ASIRIneiluJ-Home | nsadmin: actually, these firmware should be there |
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| 11:04.26 | abrotman | why would you need the radeon firmware in the initramfs? |
| 11:04.27 | ASIRIneiluJ-Home | the driver is modprobed at initramfs stage for KMS |
| 11:04.47 | ASIRIneiluJ-Home | and without firmware I don't get HDMI audio |
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| 11:07.33 | ASIRIneiluJ-Home | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks you for these pointers, unfortunately I've already checked these and didn't find the answers I'm looking for |
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| 11:08.46 | ASIRIneiluJ-Home | there seems to be a "hooks" system for update-initramfs in /etc/initramfs-tools and I guess that should allow me to insert my stuff, I just can't find any documentation |
| 11:09.58 | xyan | judd: pciid 14e4:1691 |
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| 11:09.59 | judd | [14e4:1691] is 'NetLink BCM57788 Gigabit Ethernet PCIe' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'tg3' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:1691 |
| 11:10.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | ASIRIneiluJ-Home, how about not loading the module at that stage? |
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| 11:11.58 | ASIRIneiluJ-Home | CutMeOwnThroat: well, if you know how to prevent this module to be loaded at that stage I'm very willing to try |
| 11:12.26 | ASIRIneiluJ-Home | however it needs to be loaded before X starts for KMS to work correctly |
| 11:12.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | ASIRIneiluJ-Home, /etc/modprobe.d/radeon-kms.conf? |
| 11:12.54 | ASIRIneiluJ-Home | my understanding is that it's the reason it's been put there in the first place |
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| 11:13.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | but during the initramfs stage seems earlier than needed |
| 11:13.36 | frikinz | Are the debian lenny kernel build options somewhere documented ? |
| 11:13.37 | ASIRIneiluJ-Home | well, I'm no expert |
| 11:14.14 | ASIRIneiluJ-Home | frikinz: you mean like in /boot/config* ? |
| 11:14.33 | frikinz | ah damned. I am tired, only thought of /proc. Thanks :) |
| 11:14.47 | frikinz | ASIRIneiluJ-Home: yes ok :) |
| 11:15.43 | ASIRIneiluJ-Home | CutMeOwnThroat: where would I find documentation on what to put in this file (/etc/modprobe.d/radeon-kms.conf) it seems to only contain modprobe options, no hint on when it's loaded |
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| 11:16.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | ASIRIneiluJ-Home, you also saw http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting? |
| 11:16.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | ASIRIneiluJ-Home, how do you know it's loaded so early? |
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| 11:16.17 | ASIRIneiluJ-Home | let me checko |
| 11:16.19 | ASIRIneiluJ-Home | check |
| 11:16.27 | jamesstanley | I installed fluxbox out of the debian repo's, and window tabbing seems to be broken. The fluxbox docs say to hold down middle-click and drag, but as soon as I middle-click, the window is sent to the back, and dragging has no effect. |
| 11:16.37 | ASIRIneiluJ-Home | CutMeOwnThroat: well I get the framebuffer console when it's loaded |
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| 11:17.12 | jamesstanley | Ah, I found it by looking in the keys-file. In debian it seems to be ctrl-click instead of middle-click |
| 11:17.18 | ASIRIneiluJ-Home | and it would be a good readon why I get error about not found firmware in dmesg while the firmware is on the filesystem |
| 11:18.50 | ASIRIneiluJ-Home | CutMeOwnThroat: I don't see much info in the wiki ... |
| 11:19.05 | ASIRIneiluJ-Home | just that KMS is now enabled (first step) |
| 11:19.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | ASIRIneiluJ-Home, well... does it work when you unload the module and load it from the running system? |
| 11:19.31 | ASIRIneiluJ-Home | but then I'd really like to have it enabled with firmware loaded (2nd step) |
| 11:19.50 | ASIRIneiluJ-Home | CutMeOwnThroat: I can't unload the module that runs the framebuffer consoles |
| 11:20.06 | ASIRIneiluJ-Home | or at least if I can, I don't know how |
| 11:20.54 | frikinz | my firmware was installed with package firmware-linux-nonfree and transfered in the initramfs /lib/firmware/radeon |
| 11:20.56 | ASIRIneiluJ-Home | I guess I'll try to build a homemade initramfs and if that works I'll be back for help on how to do that automatically |
| 11:21.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | I would first boot with it disabled and see if you can load it in the running system |
| 11:21.36 | ASIRIneiluJ-Home | frikinz: lucky you, it's on my FS, but not in the initramfs |
| 11:22.02 | ASIRIneiluJ-Home | CutMeOwnThroat: uhm ... adding a few files to the initramfs doesn't seem too complicated either |
| 11:22.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | just more difficult to debug |
| 11:22.18 | frikinz | ASIRIneiluJ-Home: I just extracted my initramfs and seeing how many firmware there are, I guess it was automagic. |
| 11:22.18 | ASIRIneiluJ-Home | do you see any disadvantages to this approach ? |
| 11:22.22 | ASIRIneiluJ-Home | ok ... |
| 11:22.36 | ASIRIneiluJ-Home | frikinz: yep, I guess it should be ... |
| 11:22.42 | frikinz | (I'm on sid) |
| 11:23.10 | ASIRIneiluJ-Home | but the problem with automagic thinks is that when they break and you don't know the magic, you're screwed |
| 11:23.17 | ASIRIneiluJ-Home | frikinz: so am I |
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| 11:23.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm |
| 11:23.56 | frikinz | I'm now looking at my config files to see if I had to change something. 1 second |
| 11:23.59 | ASIRIneiluJ-Home | so I guess I should disable X and blacklist radeon |
| 11:24.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | !radeon firmware |
| 11:24.19 | dpkg | In Squeeze, binary-only firmware is removed from the radeon <DRM> driver as of linux-2.6 2.6.29-1 (Debian bug #494009), now packaged separately in firmware-linux-nonfree. Without this package installed, poor 2D/3D performance in the <radeon> and <radeonhd> xorg drivers is commonly experienced. To acquire, ask me about <non-free sources>. This is not applicable to Lenny systems with the 2.6.26 kernel. |
| 11:24.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | do you have that package installed? |
| 11:24.36 | ASIRIneiluJ-Home | I do |
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| 11:24.53 | ASIRIneiluJ-Home | as I said before, the files are there in /lib/firmware/radeon |
| 11:24.59 | ASIRIneiluJ-Home | just no in the initramfs |
| 11:25.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | I would think if that's needed, that package should also put files in initramfs automatically... |
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| 11:25.26 | ASIRIneiluJ-Home | not if I trust zcat | cpio |
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| 11:25.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://bugs.debian.org/firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 11:26.28 | ASIRIneiluJ-Home | I might try to reinstall it first |
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| 11:27.27 | frikinz | from the kernel postinst (I'm running 2.6.35-trunk), you have to have radeon module loaded and then trigger an update of initramfs (dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-..) |
| 11:27.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | make sure it's really loaded that early... add it to initramfs and if that proves to be the problem, I would say file a bug against this package |
| 11:28.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't see that there's already one present describing this |
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| 11:28.28 | ASIRIneiluJ-Home | it triggered an update-initramfs, bu still no radeon firmware there |
| 11:28.39 | ASIRIneiluJ-Home | strange that frikinz has it and I don't |
| 11:28.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | you're both on squeeze? |
| 11:29.00 | ASIRIneiluJ-Home | both on sid |
| 11:29.20 | frikinz | ASIRIneiluJ-Home: do you run the stock debian kernel? or an upgraded one? |
| 11:29.22 | ASIRIneiluJ-Home | amd64 for me |
| 11:29.23 | abrotman | .35 is not squeeze |
| 11:29.42 | ASIRIneiluJ-Home | frikinz: I tried both |
| 11:29.59 | ASIRIneiluJ-Home | let's try the same as you |
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| 11:30.14 | ASIRIneiluJ-Home | are you using 32 or 64 bit install ? |
| 11:30.46 | frikinz | ASIRIneiluJ-Home: amd64 :) |
| 11:31.52 | ASIRIneiluJ-Home | let's see what linux-image-2.6.35-trunk-amd64 has to say |
| 11:32.16 | frikinz | ASIRIneiluJ-Home: and do you currently have radeon module loaded? |
| 11:32.25 | ASIRIneiluJ-Home | I do |
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| 11:33.12 | frikinz | ASIRIneiluJ-Home: and linux-nonfree-driver too? |
| 11:33.15 | frikinz | installed |
| 11:33.15 | ASIRIneiluJ-Home | no more radeon firmware in the generated initramfs |
| 11:33.24 | ASIRIneiluJ-Home | frikinz: and that too |
| 11:33.50 | ASIRIneiluJ-Home | frikinz: there was a recent update to update-initramfs, did you apply it ? |
| 11:34.26 | ASIRIneiluJ-Home | initramfs-tools 0.98.3 here |
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| 11:34.30 | frikinz | I'm running 0.98.2 .. |
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| 11:34.46 | ASIRIneiluJ-Home | uhm ... let's try to downgrade |
| 11:35.02 | ASIRIneiluJ-Home | but I don't think that it, it didn't work before either |
| 11:36.31 | ASIRIneiluJ-Home | nope, same thing |
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| 11:37.14 | frikinz | The logic of the postinst script of the kernel in /var/lib/dpkg/info is a bit complicated to understand. there might me something to dig there (search for 'firmware') |
| 11:37.46 | ASIRIneiluJ-Home | ok, I'll try |
| 11:37.49 | ASIRIneiluJ-Home | thank you |
| 11:39.46 | JyZyXEL | !rtc |
| 11:39.47 | dpkg | hmm... rtc is Real Time Clock. This is necessary for SMP machines but quite useless for UP purposes (unless you read on how to use it). Disable RTC in the kernel if you get "clock skew detected" while building the kernel or anything which uses 'make'. |
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| 11:45.27 | ASIRIneiluJ-Home | oh, one last question frikinz : what do you have in /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf ? |
| 11:45.40 | wieshka | hey there - does anyone know good cli soft with structure client->server what sends RAM & CPU & HDD utc usage data, and server stores it in ! postgresql ! db |
| 11:45.56 | ASIRIneiluJ-Home | especially for the "MODULES" variable ? |
| 11:45.57 | wieshka | i dont have time to make self made custom SNMP |
| 11:45.58 | frikinz | ASIRIneiluJ-Home: MODULES=most |
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| 11:46.06 | wieshka | so i am looking for something done/half-done |
| 11:46.08 | ASIRIneiluJ-Home | frikinz: damn, same here |
| 11:46.22 | ASIRIneiluJ-Home | wieshka: no idea sorry |
| 11:46.39 | frikinz | ASIRIneiluJ-Home: in modules I have radeon modeset=1 |
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| 11:47.40 | frikinz | in ASIRIneiluJ-Home in /etc/modules radeon |
| 11:47.45 | frikinz | ok, coffee time |
| 11:47.53 | abrotman | wieshka: is that even english ? |
| 11:48.28 | ASIRIneiluJ-Home | frikinz: yep, same here |
| 11:48.28 | abrotman | wieshka: you want something that will record system usage and show you a pretty graph, and it can't use a DB to store the values? |
| 11:48.33 | ASIRIneiluJ-Home | have a good coffee |
| 11:48.34 | wieshka | abrotman: is it my english so bad ? sorry not my native language |
| 11:48.39 | abrotman | wtf does "! foo ! bar" mean .. that's just not helpful |
| 11:48.55 | wieshka | abrotman: i just need to store data |
| 11:48.56 | ASIRIneiluJ-Home | I gues that it's important :) |
| 11:49.05 | wieshka | no graphs needed |
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| 11:49.15 | abrotman | wieshka: actually describe what you want .. !foo!bar doesn't make sense |
| 11:49.19 | wieshka | very important is to store info in postgresql |
| 11:49.41 | abrotman | wieshka: you're probably looking for sometihng like snmp that feeds into a DB .. |
| 11:49.51 | wieshka | abrotman: it was like !important in css :) |
| 11:49.54 | wieshka | abrotman: exactly |
| 11:50.03 | abrotman | wieshka: oddly .. !foo to me means NOT foo |
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| 11:50.48 | abrotman | wieshka: zabbix perhaps? |
| 11:51.04 | wieshka | abrotman: isnt zabbix heavy ? |
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| 11:51.25 | abrotman | don't use it myself .. you'll have to look into it .. that wasn't one of your requirements |
| 11:51.31 | abrotman | and 'heavy' is relative |
| 11:51.46 | wieshka | abrotman: client side has N330 Atom procesor |
| 11:51.55 | wieshka | with load average ~3.5 |
| 11:51.59 | abrotman | client has to run snmpd .. not that big of a deal |
| 11:52.17 | wieshka | hmmm what about zabbix_agent ? |
| 11:52.27 | wieshka | i played around with zabbix a year ago |
| 11:52.32 | wieshka | it was heavy |
| 11:52.41 | abrotman | okay |
| 11:52.43 | wieshka | i dont care server side usage |
| 11:52.54 | wieshka | most important is client side |
| 11:53.03 | wieshka | as small as possible |
| 11:53.12 | bint | if i go apt-get install php5 and php5-mysql do i have to change some essential security settings or can i let it be without changing anything for a couple of days? |
| 11:53.25 | bint | apache2 is installed |
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| 11:53.31 | bint | and i didn't change anything in there so far |
| 11:53.39 | wieshka | bint: for couple of days it will be ok for dev reasons - for production |
| 11:53.50 | bint | ok |
| 11:53.52 | wieshka | not a good idea |
| 11:53.59 | bint | i know |
| 11:54.05 | easyfit | if I comment out the other debian repos in sources.list and only leave security.debian.org, does that mean that I will only receive security updates? (which is what I want) |
| 11:54.30 | abrotman | easyfit: that's not really what you want .. you'd be missing the point releases |
| 11:54.43 | abrotman | those point releases may fix lesser security issues |
| 11:54.54 | easyfit | hmm I see |
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| 11:55.01 | abrotman | !5.0.6 |
| 11:55.01 | dpkg | Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.6 was released on September 4th, 2010. This update corrects security problems within the <stable> release, along with adjustments for serious problems. Support for Intel 82567LF-3, 82567LM-3, 82567LM-4 and 82583V Ethernet controllers was introduced. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100904 http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/ChangeLog . To upgrade, ask me about <point release>. |
| 11:55.19 | abrotman | see that ChangeLog .. some of those updates do fix CVEs |
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| 12:00.54 | frikinz | Looks like the lenny installer needs a few megs more than 256.. what a pity with my 256 CF card.. had to erase .deb while instaling |
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| 12:08.01 | HackeMate | Since time ago, my DNS server is empty and I should add it manually to browse |
| 12:08.05 | HackeMate | how can I fix this |
| 12:08.21 | HackeMate | I add it, save changes, and next time I start session it appears empty again |
| 12:10.15 | nots_ | hello. I installed squeeze xen domU from http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/xen/xm-debian.cfg and it is very small, even no apt or aptitude. I selected base system when installing |
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| 12:22.17 | frikinz | hum what does this mean? (mount output) overflow on /tmp type tmpfs (rw,size=1048576,mode=1777) . Overflow? wtf? |
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| 12:23.03 | frikinz | type tmpfs means RAM right? (lenny mounts /tmp in RAM?) |
| 12:23.24 | AnthLee | is it a live system? |
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| 12:23.54 | frikinz | AnthLee: no, debian lenny installed on CF 256Mb and 256Mb RAM |
| 12:24.12 | frikinz | No swap |
| 12:24.16 | frikinz | might be a problem |
| 12:24.21 | AnthLee | yea |
| 12:24.23 | AnthLee | thats it |
| 12:24.46 | AnthLee | use gparted and make swap bigger . |
| 12:25.00 | AnthLee | after rebooting of course |
| 12:25.01 | frikinz | no, there is NO swap. As the installer takes a bit more than 256MB.. |
| 12:25.07 | frikinz | Mem: 248180 67792 180388 0 5880 46676 |
| 12:25.16 | frikinz | -/+ buffers/cache: 15236 232944 |
| 12:25.33 | frikinz | ok, I'll fetch a 512MB, it arrived an hour ago. |
| 12:25.47 | AnthLee | you need swap |
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| 12:26.24 | AnthLee | reccomended is 3x system memory for swap I always just do a gig but I got lots of ram .. |
| 12:26.56 | tarzeau | AnthLee: doesn't work if you've got more memory than diskspace |
| 12:27.19 | AnthLee | lol |
| 12:27.40 | tarzeau | AnthLee: we have such systems. and you don't want swap if you are on a diskless system either |
| 12:27.41 | frikinz | How does one read again these two lines above? (free output). 180Meg free and then under, 232 free. hum. |
| 12:27.51 | tarzeau | so no. you don't NEED swap, not always |
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| 12:28.10 | simplechat | hey guys, when will debian stable be patched against http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commitdiff;h=36d001c70d8a0144ac1d038f6876c484849a74de ? |
| 12:28.18 | AnthLee | you're right tarzeau but swap is good |
| 12:28.26 | tarzeau | AnthLee: not if it's used |
| 12:28.27 | frikinz | tarzeau: if it runs out of ram, the kernel tries to swap and if no swap is there, big problem I think. |
| 12:28.31 | tarzeau | AnthLee: if it's used. swap is slow |
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| 12:28.48 | tarzeau | frikinz: yeah OOM is a problem, and people are able to run out of swap too! |
| 12:29.15 | tarzeau | yes even if they have 4, 8 or 128 GB memory and swap! |
| 12:29.18 | AnthLee | right frikinz you are having problems because of a lack of swap you can fix this by adding ram do less or create some swap space |
| 12:29.57 | AnthLee | I got 3 gig of ram and i've never used over a gig <3 xfce :D |
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| 12:30.15 | tarzeau | AnthLee: there's people that WORK! and they need more than just a window manager |
| 12:30.23 | tarzeau | AnthLee: to drive around with the mouse cursor |
| 12:30.38 | frikinz | having 35Mb free space gets everything tricky |
| 12:30.41 | tarzeau | AnthLee: and i use wmaker or amiwm, uses even less memory than xfce |
| 12:30.50 | frikinz | like not being able to do the security update :) |
| 12:31.05 | AnthLee | yes well I like features :) |
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| 12:31.38 | AnthLee | frikinz you could add a usb stick .. |
| 12:31.48 | AnthLee | and use it for swap |
| 12:31.51 | AnthLee | =) |
| 12:31.54 | frikinz | Ah good idea, let me search |
| 12:32.46 | frikinz | still, can anybody remind me how to read the two lines above I posted (7 minutes ago) |
| 12:32.47 | AnthLee | or storage for that matter |
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| 12:33.04 | frikinz | I have 180Mb free RAM. and the -+ buffer says 232MB free. |
| 12:33.34 | frikinz | so without the cache, the system would use only 24MB? |
| 12:33.51 | AnthLee | frikinz what do you have running on the system |
| 12:34.12 | frikinz | default base install (lenny, no X, nothing added) |
| 12:34.36 | frikinz | ah in ram? nothing unessary |
| 12:34.38 | abrotman | frikinz: /lastlog |
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| 12:36.24 | frikinz | abrotman: not sure I'm following you |
| 12:36.45 | abrotman | nevermind |
| 12:37.00 | frikinz | running process: getty, udevd, acpid, cron, sshd, dhclient |
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| 12:37.34 | AnthLee | frikinz I think you are out of space on the /root partition |
| 12:37.51 | frikinz | AnthLee: yes that might be. |
| 12:37.59 | AnthLee | you should install to a usb stick |
| 12:38.04 | frikinz | Ok guys, enough wasted time, I reinstall on a 512Mb |
| 12:38.11 | AnthLee | and mount the storage on device to /home and see if that solves the problem |
| 12:39.52 | danslo | AnthLee: unused ram is wasted ram :P |
| 12:40.14 | AnthLee | not true ! |
| 12:40.25 | danslo | very true :P |
| 12:40.28 | AnthLee | not using ram should theoretically prolong the life of the memory . |
| 12:40.59 | danslo | or you could buy quality RAM, those things shouldnt die in at least a couple of years anyway |
| 12:41.29 | AnthLee | I have a 299$ pc with a 50$ video card . |
| 12:41.43 | AnthLee | that ram is made in south korea not exactly quality |
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| 12:43.38 | danslo | heh, you may have a point then |
| 12:44.10 | danslo | linux can freely use all of my 6GB :P |
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| 12:45.05 | AnthLee | my current squeeze install boots into like 99-100 |
| 12:45.20 | AnthLee | and thats with pork :P |
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| 12:54.24 | frikinz | rebooting solved the problem, it was missing ram. now new problems :) |
| 12:54.34 | hipodilski | hi I remember I used some kind of nice software thta did port redirects really easy |
| 12:54.38 | hipodilski | can you name it for me |
| 12:55.01 | hipodilski | it basicly did what could be also done with iptables |
| 12:55.53 | frikinz | hipodilski: socat? |
| 12:56.02 | AnthLee | frikinz what now heh |
| 12:56.45 | Beta2K | Was it just a iptables script? |
| 12:57.08 | hipodilski | frikinz: no I think it was another one |
| 12:57.11 | Beta2K | Arnos firewall scripts will do port redirects easy enough |
| 12:57.12 | frikinz | AnthLee: well, now the bug in my application.. actually it's in perl, I've packed it with PAR and now it's telling me that there's an IO object version mismatch dynaloader god knows what |
| 12:57.33 | AnthLee | yeah I dont do perl |
| 12:57.58 | hipodilski | I remember I used it before to redirect incoming traffic to a port to gmail |
| 12:57.58 | frikinz | tcprelay? netcat? out of idea |
| 12:58.54 | hipodilski | I think it was rinetd |
| 12:59.47 | jelly | redir |
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| 13:02.34 | djura-san | hello _o/ |
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| 13:10.35 | stuckey | !webcam |
| 13:10.35 | dpkg | For webcam device support in Debian, ask me about <gspca>, <uvcvideo>, <ov51x-jpeg>, <ov511>, <quickcam>, <m560x-driver>, <w9968cf>, <pwc>, <sn9c20x>. For device usage suggestions, see http://www.aboutdebian.com/webcam.htm or "mplayer tv:// -tv driver=v4l:width=352:height=288:outfmt=yv12:device=/dev/video0". http://wiki.debian.org/Webcam |
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| 13:12.59 | bint | hmm why are .files inivisible ? |
| 13:14.41 | abrotman | stuckey: msg the bot |
| 13:14.54 | abrotman | bint: that's how unix is .. /msg dpkg dotfiles |
| 13:15.11 | hipodilski | I've managed it with rinetd anyways thanks for helping me out :) |
| 13:15.18 | abrotman | eh .. bad example .. don't read the bot on that |
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| 13:20.38 | bint | can i create a linked folder, so if i put files in /var/www/myfiles/ they'd be actually in /sda2/filesys ? |
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| 13:25.08 | iateadonut | i have a bunch of spreadsheets and i would like them to be all on a single spreadsheet. how can i use the command line to merge them all? |
| 13:26.03 | wieshka | hmmm, what i should edit to run commands before reboot (on command reboot or button) |
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| 13:27.36 | andre_pl | I've just added a disk to my raid 5 array, I've also got a LVM2 on top of that an I'm trying to figure out how to grow it now, I'm a little confused as to how to do that, can anyone offer some help? |
| 13:27.38 | wieshka | basicy i want to add, that before client reboots, my server will be notified (i have scripts for notifications) |
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| 13:27.56 | abrotman | wieshka: look at your init scripts for run levels 0 and 6 |
| 13:28.08 | abrotman | or just have it run on @reboot in your system cron |
| 13:28.20 | abrotman | (that runs when it comes up) |
| 13:28.28 | wieshka | hmmmm, @reboot runs when it comes up |
| 13:28.31 | wieshka | i am already using it |
| 13:28.36 | wieshka | for several scripts |
| 13:29.09 | wieshka | i need notification before goes down (before net interfaces are down - notification over network) |
| 13:29.16 | wieshka | also i have notifiaction when it comes back |
| 13:29.44 | wieshka | use of this - to show warnings, if some rebooted pc is too long down |
| 13:32.04 | wieshka | hmmm idea - if i add /etc/init.d/notification script |
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| 13:32.23 | wieshka | on status stop - send notification - it should be called before shutdown |
| 13:32.29 | wieshka | i am wrong ? |
| 13:32.31 | wieshka | abrotman: ? |
| 13:32.40 | abrotman | who what? |
| 13:33.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | bint: symlink? |
| 13:33.17 | abrotman | it depends on the system .. but you could just add your own .. i personally probably wouldn't edit the package scripts unless there is a pretty good reason |
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| 13:33.52 | wieshka | bint: read ln manual - is pretty easy :) |
| 13:33.55 | stuckey | abrotman: I did "mplayer tv://" but all I got was static. |
| 13:33.59 | wieshka | or just check out for samples |
| 13:34.07 | stuckey | abrotman: Wiki says that should give webcam input. |
| 13:34.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | iateadonut, that depends on your exact data and #debian is not the best place to ask hat question.. if it's space or semicolon separated data, #bash or #awk might be a good place (prepare one or more pastebins with stripped-down samples of what you want to merge) or if it's in some excel-like format, perl can read this you might have a look at the debian packages csvtool libspreadsheet-read-perl and simiar (use apt-cache to search through packages) |
| 13:34.58 | abrotman | stuckey: ask #mplayer |
| 13:35.20 | wieshka | iateadonut: go for help in #awk - there is always somebody who can help out :) |
| 13:35.41 | wieshka | stuckey: isnt webcam /dev/videoX ? |
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| 13:35.56 | iateadonut | thanks. |
| 13:36.07 | stuckey | wieshka: I dunno -- I just got this. |
| 13:36.14 | abrotman | stuckey: ask #mplayer |
| 13:36.17 | stuckey | Wiki doesn't say so. |
| 13:36.43 | jrork | hi. my mysql backup script (it's just a dump) is failing due to "too many open files" |
| 13:37.04 | jrork | i've read up on it, but i'm leery about changing the config, especially because i can do a dump from a client just fine |
| 13:37.24 | stuckey | Camorama doesn't work either... meh |
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| 13:38.04 | wieshka | stuckey: video devices should be attached to /dev/ as /dev/video0 smth like that .... you can even ls -lah /dev/ to see, which device type is video ..... if you got video device name - in VLC it is pretty easy to access it. about mplayer - i dont know - ask #mplayer |
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| 13:39.40 | wieshka | stuckey: if USB video device is specific, than you should check out V4L (Video 4 Linux) compability |
| 13:40.28 | sep | is it somehow possible to deny a webpage to send mail using the sendmail command(it should use smtp auth) , while keeping apache's possibility to send administrative email ? |
| 13:40.49 | wieshka | and probably build/make V4L from polaris4 (pretty long make process - plenty of packages) |
| 13:41.26 | wieshka | sep: i would try php_flag to overwrite php settings per web via .htaccess |
| 13:41.36 | jordanm | sep: short answer is no |
| 13:42.25 | sep | can one deny it for www-data compleatly preferably with a sane message like " use smtp auth, like you have been told" ? |
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| 13:42.45 | jordanm | wieshka: php_flag can somehow change the behavior of mail()? |
| 13:43.25 | jordanm | sep: you need to fix the code to use an external SMTP server, or configure your MTA to use a smarthost |
| 13:43.35 | wieshka | it can change behavior of php what is used to send mail - i am worng ? |
| 13:43.47 | jordanm | I don't code in php, so I wouldn't know |
| 13:44.12 | jordanm | I don't see any indication on that for the reference page for mail() however |
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| 13:45.18 | bartzy | Hi |
| 13:45.24 | wieshka | sep: i should give a try to override default apache php settings per webpage via .htaccess, making php mail() not working anymore |
| 13:45.36 | sep | the mta allready uses a smarthost. but the web page should still use smtp auth not sendmail command, so yes the solution is to reconfigure the code. i just want to enforce it via a block on www-data's possibility to send mail |
| 13:45.40 | wieshka | i am not saying that it should work for 100%, but you can give a try |
| 13:45.50 | bartzy | I want to make a user unable to login, to have no password |
| 13:45.50 | bartzy | but to login only with SSH key |
| 13:45.50 | bartzy | so in /etc/shadow do I use * or ! in the password hash field ? |
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| 13:45.53 | bartzy | or some kind of tool for that ? |
| 13:46.23 | wieshka | bartzy: http://linuxproblem.org/art_9.html |
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| 13:46.49 | jrork | Sorry, but an anyone help me out with my mysql backup error? ^^^ |
| 13:47.00 | stuckey | Anyone know what happened to sip-communicator? What's the package name? |
| 13:47.05 | wieshka | jrork: why dont you ask at #mysql ? |
| 13:47.29 | jrork | will do, but i thought that since open file limit ties in to the OS as well i should ask here first |
| 13:47.36 | jrork | plus you guys know everything ;) |
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| 13:48.40 | jordanm | sep: your MTA should be doing the authentication with the smarthost |
| 13:48.56 | sep | jordanm, you are misunderstading me |
| 13:49.15 | sep | jordanm, i want the web site to use smtp auth to send email. instead of mail() or sendmail command |
| 13:49.24 | jordanm | sep: why? |
| 13:49.59 | jordanm | it can use SMTP auth, via the local MTA and its smarthost |
| 13:50.00 | wieshka | jrork: try to add --lock-all-tables |
| 13:50.05 | sep | to make sure that they get all the bounces for their expiered/typoe'd users |
| 13:50.08 | wieshka | it should solve - but it will lock tables |
| 13:50.14 | wieshka | while procesing |
| 13:50.26 | jordanm | sep: who is "they" and why wouldn't they using the local MTA? |
| 13:50.33 | sep | jordanm, it can send mail perfectly fine as it is, It just should not |
| 13:50.57 | sep | users of the web server. |
| 13:51.25 | jordanm | sep: I don't understand how using someone else mail server instead of your own solves any problem |
| 13:51.26 | sep | becouse then www-data gets the bounces and not the site owner in question |
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| 13:51.39 | jordanm | sep: set up an alias for www-data to the site owner |
| 13:51.51 | jordanm | sep: if this is shared hosting, you should be using suexec anyways |
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| 13:52.12 | sep | jordanm, i know. this is a workaround while they migrate |
| 13:52.26 | jordanm | this workaround is going to be tons more work that a real solution |
| 13:52.41 | sep | block mail for www-data is alot of work ? |
| 13:53.08 | sep | guess i could replace exim with postfix since then i would know how... |
| 13:53.19 | bartzy | wieshka: I didn't ask for that |
| 13:53.31 | bartzy | I asked how do I make a user with no password, so he can't login interactively ? |
| 13:53.32 | jordanm | !xy problem |
| 13:53.32 | dpkg | [xyproblem] People often falsely diagnose problems because they are looking too closely at a problem: they have got stuck at a particular point (Y) doing something (X) and so ask about step Y, not realising that there is an easier or better way to do X in the first place. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem or http://homepages.tesco.net/J.deBoynePollard/FGA/put-down-the-chocolate-covered-banana.html |
| 13:53.37 | bartzy | can't login to any console |
| 13:53.42 | bartzy | ! or * in /etc/shadow ? |
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| 13:54.35 | jordanm | sep: you seem to be stuck on your idea of "blocking www-data" and not so much on actually solving whatever problem you are having |
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| 13:54.44 | misterioz | hi everyone |
| 13:55.27 | sep | jordanm, i just want to scratch an itch wilth the project of solving the underlaying project does it's slow progress |
| 13:55.32 | sep | while... |
| 13:55.34 | misterioz | I was wondering why in the debian stable repo - bacula is version 2.44 |
| 13:55.40 | sep | jordanm, i just want to scratch an itch wilth the project of solving the underlaying problem does it's slow progress |
| 13:55.44 | misterioz | and on the Bacula site there is version 5.0.3 |
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| 13:55.46 | sep | bah |
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| 13:55.51 | misterioz | is there any difference or something else? |
| 13:56.01 | jordanm | sep: what does that mean in english? |
| 13:56.31 | misterioz | I'm talking about Bacula the backup services |
| 13:56.36 | sep | jordanm, that i know what the problem is, the fix for the problem is in progress and while that takes some time i want to block www-data from sending mail using mail() or sendmail |
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| 13:58.05 | bint | if i dont have access to change a directory but i'm in the sudoers file,, can i somehow change into that directory |
| 13:58.10 | bint | when i try it with sudo cd |
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| 13:58.12 | bint | it doesn't work |
| 13:58.13 | wieshka | which rcX level is running first before reboot/shutdown ? |
| 13:58.20 | wieshka | i need to add line before ifdown |
| 13:59.04 | wieshka | rc0.d ? |
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| 14:00.13 | frikinz | wieshka: there is a "pre-down" option in /etc/network/interfaces. might be what you want. man interfaces |
| 14:00.43 | wieshka | frikinz: pre-down is not always on system reboot, also if network interface are switched |
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| 14:01.20 | wieshka | for example if wicd switches from wifi to cable (if cable plugged in) |
| 14:02.09 | wieshka | looks like i have to make init.d script and update.rc |
| 14:02.14 | jrork | wieshka: sorry just saw your message... if i lock-all-tables, will it keep the whole db locked for the duration of the dump, or just one table at a time? |
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| 14:02.30 | wieshka | all tables will be locked |
| 14:03.36 | jrork | ok thanks |
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| 14:09.37 | Bop | what's the package to reconfigure network ? |
| 14:09.46 | Bop | in curses ? |
| 14:10.25 | abrotman | vi ? |
| 14:10.51 | Bop | i mean , easy way |
| 14:11.03 | Bop | with questions and menus |
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| 14:19.47 | Lenhix | Hello. How can I change the keyboard map from the console? |
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| 14:32.06 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 14:32.06 | dpkg | Lenny users: To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", ask me about <drxx>, use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps, xev and ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments. Squeeze users: "dpkg-reconfigure console-setup" for both console and X. |
| 14:33.47 | Lenhix | thx abrotman |
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| 14:37.13 | wieshka | Strange question: how can i disable any keyboar or mouse - USB & PS2 ? |
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| 14:38.38 | MrFrood | unplug them |
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| 14:41.50 | wieshka | MrFrood: not a solution, if i need to prevent any usage of pc |
| 14:41.55 | wieshka | other user |
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| 14:43.29 | FlashDeluxe | hi! i have a question, i have a system A which is a live system and a system B which is a clean system. I would like to install the same packages which are installed on system A, on systemB. |
| 14:43.31 | MrFrood | in x just don't load the drivers for your kb & mouse not sure about the console |
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| 14:43.39 | FlashDeluxe | Ist that possible? if yes, how? :) |
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| 14:45.42 | MrFrood | !keymap |
| 14:45.42 | dpkg | Lenny users: To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", ask me about <drxx>, use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps, xev and ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments. Squeeze users: "dpkg-reconfigure console-setup" for both console and X. |
| 14:45.44 | jhutchins_lt | Can someone suggest possible methods of reviving sound that doesn't recover from hibernation? Restarting alsa-tools doesn't seem to do it. |
| 14:46.05 | MrFrood | wieshka: see if there is somesort of NULL option |
| 14:47.08 | pikudoz | FlashDeluxe:same distros? |
| 14:47.19 | abrotman | wtf |
| 14:47.36 | pikudoz | FlashDeluxe: same distros? |
| 14:47.37 | abrotman | wieshka: you want to disable them for just one user? |
| 14:47.46 | wieshka | abrotman: for gdm |
| 14:47.47 | abrotman | FlashDeluxe: which distro is this ? |
| 14:48.04 | abrotman | wieshka: you could unload the X input drivers |
| 14:48.21 | wieshka | aha, i am already looking in X direction |
| 14:48.27 | pikudoz | sems vanished |
| 14:48.32 | MrFrood | abrotman: I already suggested that |
| 14:48.46 | abrotman | he apparently missed it |
| 14:48.47 | FlashDeluxe | its debian with vserver |
| 14:48.56 | abrotman | FlashDeluxe: you have a Debian liveCD? |
| 14:49.01 | abrotman | why not just do a clean install? |
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| 14:49.42 | FlashDeluxe | abrotman: I want the clean system to have the same packages installed as the live system |
| 14:49.55 | abrotman | why? why not just do a normal install |
| 14:49.56 | elchavo | hello guys! I'm preparing a custom installation to my Debian server, one of these things to install it's a custom kernel to support the Broadcom BCM57780, the stable kernel don't support yet. What is better, install the other packages like Squid, Openswan, Dhcp3, etc, after or before the new kernel installation? |
| 14:50.12 | abrotman | FlashDeluxe: you may not even be able to get the same packages .. the liveCD has special stuff |
| 14:50.19 | jordanm | !tell elchavo about kmuto |
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| 14:51.02 | abrotman | FlashDeluxe: maybe you should tell us what you want to install, and we'll give you some commands to do it |
| 14:51.34 | abrotman | like: aptitude install xorg xfce iceweasel openoffice.org .. or whatever you want |
| 14:51.46 | MrFrood | FlashDeluxe: not sure but dd or rsync might do the trick |
| 14:51.51 | FlashDeluxe | abrotman: i have system A (live system) and i want to create an exact copy of it (system B) |
| 14:51.52 | abrotman | wtf |
| 14:52.20 | abrotman | FlashDeluxe: so you keep saying .. which Debian liveCD is it? what kernel is it running ? "uname -r' ? |
| 14:52.33 | karlpinc | !tell FlashDeluxe about aptitude clone |
| 14:52.41 | abrotman | MrFrood: you want to dd a CD to a HDD ? |
| 14:52.50 | MrFrood | yup |
| 14:53.01 | abrotman | MrFrood: go try it, let me know how it works for you |
| 14:53.03 | elchavo | jordanm, do you recommend this custom installation? |
| 14:53.35 | abrotman | elchavo: you don't have much of a choice currently .. the kernel in the lenny installer doesn't support your NIC .. |
| 14:53.52 | abrotman | so you can install without NIC, then grab the BPO kernel, or use kmuto (you sohuld still install the BPO kernel) |
| 14:54.11 | MrFrood | did it once years ago for a system with no cd drive |
| 14:55.02 | FlashDeluxe | karlpinc: Thank you, thats exactly what i wanted |
| 14:55.06 | wieshka | is there any good alternative to incron ? |
| 14:55.15 | wieshka | for file/flder change monitoring |
| 14:55.22 | jordanm | inotify |
| 14:55.37 | wieshka | the same developers tool - ok i will try it |
| 14:56.09 | elchavo | abrotman, Yes, I have some difficult to resolve, but after the install new kernel, everything works fine! But I'm a little newbie in kernel updates, I don't know if it's good to install another packages of the stable's repositories after ther kernel update |
| 14:56.19 | karlpinc | FlashDeluxe: (Yah. Because very rarely do you want an _exact_ copy. You want a work-alike copy.) |
| 14:56.45 | abrotman | elchavo: you would want to install the BPO kernel either way .. the kmuto one owuldn't get security updates |
| 14:56.51 | abrotman | wonders what happened to lennynhalf |
| 14:57.25 | FlashDeluxe | karlpinc: Yes :) |
| 14:59.25 | elchavo | abrotman, I will try, but I didn't understand yet if it's secure to install stable packages after a kernel install |
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| 15:00.05 | abrotman | huh? |
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| 15:02.41 | abrotman | elchavo: that doesn't make sense .. you're going to install lenny .. it has a kernel (and there is the BPO kernel) .. why can't you install packages? |
| 15:03.27 | elchavo | abrotman, eg: I install a Lenny Debian now, after that, a 2.6.30.1 kernel, and to finish, of the stable's repositories, another packages like Squid, Samba and Dansguardian |
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| 15:05.05 | elchavo | abrotman, the question is... is it secure do that? I never install a "unstable" kernel understood? |
| 15:05.10 | abrotman | why are you compiling a kernel ? |
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| 15:05.35 | elchavo | abrotman, to support the Broadcom BCM57780 Ethernet card |
| 15:05.54 | abrotman | i alreayd explained that you do NOT have to compile a kernel for that .. you have two options |
| 15:06.24 | abrotman | and they both end with you installing linux-image-2.6-<yourarch> from backports.debian.org |
| 15:06.49 | AnthLee | lol |
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| 15:09.12 | elchavo | abrotman, I think that I got it |
| 15:10.30 | abrotman | elchavo: you sure about that? |
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| 15:13.19 | elchavo | abrotman, Yes, I read everything that you recommend again... I have another ethernet card installed in this machine, I don't need to install kmuto |
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| 15:13.34 | abrotman | elchavo: uhm, okay, i didn't say anything about another NIC .. but okay |
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| 15:14.07 | elchavo | abrotman, hehe |
| 15:14.21 | creichen | Hi! I'm on amd64/sid. Where can I find /usr/lib32/libpthread.so? It's not in ia32-libs, for some reason; is that a bug? |
| 15:14.34 | jordanm | !apt-file |
| 15:14.34 | dpkg | apt-file is probably a utility used to find which package owns a given file or list files in a package even if it's not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regexp; see man apt-file). You can also search online; ask me about <pdo> <auto-apt> <dlocate> |
| 15:14.55 | jordanm | if it were a bug, it would likely be a wishlist |
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| 15:15.26 | elchavo | abrotman, I understood that you say that I have two choice, I install Debian without this ethernet card and after I install the BPO kernel or install the kmuto, correct? |
| 15:15.46 | abrotman | yes .. but if you want the BCM card supported, you'll end up with the BPO kernel either way |
| 15:16.06 | abrotman | if you use kmuto, you still want the BPO kernel |
| 15:16.15 | creichen | Thanks for the apt-file reference, I'll be checking that shortly. |
| 15:16.15 | apt | de nada, creichen |
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| 15:16.45 | creichen | I doubt that libpthread.so would be a wishlist item, though, since it existed in the past and was only removed in the last 24h after my last batch of updates. |
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| 15:16.59 | creichen | Besides, it's a rather critical library. ;-> |
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| 15:17.21 | jhutchins_lt | elchavo: Provided the system has another supported network interface, you can do the main install then upgrade the kernel. |
| 15:17.42 | t3cnerd | Hello. I try to install spamassassin, but I always get the error that the packages libsys-hostname-long-perl,libarchive-tar-perl,libio-zlib-perl are missing. I am using Debian etch - any ideas? |
| 15:17.43 | jhutchins_lt | elchavo: Easier that way. |
| 15:17.48 | sphenxes | When i connect an extern hard drive, it usually takes the name: disk-1 , ... etc. Now i am using squeeze, when i connect an extern hard drive I get a very complicated long name (lot of numbers) is there a way to be back to the old days. disk-1, disk-2 |
| 15:18.05 | abrotman | sphenxes: those are UUIDs most likely .. and not really |
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| 15:18.39 | elchavo | abrotman, and you say that kmuto don't have security update, correct? |
| 15:18.45 | abrotman | nope |
| 15:18.50 | sphenxes | abortman, yes i think they are those UUIDS. is there any way around it |
| 15:18.50 | jhutchins_lt | t3cnerd: What repository are you using? |
| 15:18.52 | abrotman | but you can use kmuto and install the BPO kernel |
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| 15:19.05 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: He doesn't need kmuto. |
| 15:19.12 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: thanks, i got that |
| 15:19.19 | jhutchins_lt | k |
| 15:19.38 | t3cnerd | jhutchins_lt: deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-volatile/ etch/volatile main |
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| 15:19.53 | abrotman | uh what? |
| 15:20.01 | jhutchins_lt | Ah. Etch is no longer on the main repositories, I'm surprized you got that far. |
| 15:20.03 | abrotman | t3cnerd: where is the rest of your sources.list ? |
| 15:20.09 | jhutchins_lt | t3cnerd: http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive |
| 15:20.11 | abrotman | paste.debian.net |
| 15:20.12 | creichen | Uninstalling and re-installing libc6-dev-i386 took care of the missing /usr/lib32/libpthread.so problem. It's possible that uninstalling a broken ia32-libs alternative I'd added for flashplayer support (which is now completely broken, I think) caused the issue, so a bug report would not be justified. |
| 15:20.22 | creichen | Thanks again, jordanm! |
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| 15:20.35 | jhutchins_lt | t3cnerd: Recommended that you do a full update to etch then upgrade to lenny. |
| 15:20.44 | jhutchins_lt | t3cnerd: Especially for things like spamassassin. |
| 15:20.53 | abrotman | !tell t3cnerd about etch->lenny |
| 15:20.58 | abrotman | !tell t3cnerd about etch sources.list |
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| 15:22.45 | elchavo | jhutchins_lt, hum so, I think that I understand, Can I install the Debian Lenny, and after the new kernel? |
| 15:23.00 | jhutchins_lt | elchavo: Yes, that would be simplest/easiest. |
| 15:23.36 | jhutchins_lt | elchavo: Using the netinstall image is the most efficient way to install the system. |
| 15:23.58 | elchavo | jhutchins_lt, and is it secure after that, install another stable packages like samba and squid, or I have to install BPO packages too? |
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| 15:24.05 | t3cnerd | jhutchins_lt: is it save to do a dist-upgrade? it's a live server |
| 15:24.26 | elchavo | jhutchins_lt, I always use the netinstall image |
| 15:25.15 | abrotman | t3cnerd: you have a backup right ? |
| 15:25.17 | jhutchins_lt | t3cnerd: As long as you have a fairly standard setup without custom packages you should be fine. Things CAN go wrong, make sure you do backups first. |
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| 15:25.37 | abrotman | sounds like a mail server :) |
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| 15:25.49 | jhutchins_lt | elchavo: backports are not necessary for security, security updates are in the official repositories. |
| 15:26.11 | jhutchins_lt | elchavo: Security is of course dependent on how you configure the system. |
| 15:27.33 | elchavo | jhutchins_lt, sorry, my wasn't good |
| 15:27.50 | t3cnerd | !tell t3cnerd about lenny sources.list |
| 15:28.49 | elchavo | jhutchins_lt, sorry, my question wasn't good, I'd like to know if you recommend that I install the other packages before or after the kernel update |
| 15:29.01 | jhutchins_lt | elchavo: Doesn't matter. |
| 15:29.37 | elchavo | jhutchins_lt, It is clear to me now! :) |
| 15:30.27 | elchavo | jhutchins_lt, abrotman, thanks guys!! |
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| 15:31.18 | abrotman | !tell t3cnerd about selftell |
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| 15:35.04 | jhutchins_lt | Strange, I don't have a lag or channel count display... |
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| 15:35.40 | jhutchins_lt | Ah, Status Bar. |
| 15:37.26 | t3cnerd | hmm, should i use the large-memory option for lilo? it's a 2 year old hetzner server |
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| 15:39.44 | jhutchins_lt | t3cnerd: I think that depends more on memory size. Read the lilo docs. |
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| 15:41.58 | sphenxes | i will try to repharase my question: I have encrytped external drive with a very long UUID (in lenny it was known as simple disk-1). Now I have script which needs the name of the external hard drive (before it /media/disk-1), now i have a very long UUID. Is there anyway that i can change this long UUID to disk-1 or disk-X |
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| 15:42.25 | abrotman | sphenxes: use the UUID .. |
| 15:42.26 | abrotman | !uuid |
| 15:42.26 | dpkg | [uuid] Universally Unique IDentifier, used to reference disk partitions (among other things). See currently known partition UUIDs with `blkid'. In /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. Helps to cope with device name changes such as hda->sda (<libata> transition) or changes in USB disk order discovery. <LVM> tools accept PV/VG/LV UUIDs as arguments, use {pv,vg,lv}display to acquire. |
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| 15:42.44 | jhutchins_lt | I have sound from the root console, but no sound in kde after hibernating. alsa reload and alsa-utils restart don't seem to do anything. |
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| 15:43.07 | sphenxes | abrotman, thanks, i will try it |
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| 15:46.38 | hyperzid | Does anyone know about a bot which can make transcripts of whats beeing said in a channel?.. best whould be if its already hosted somewhere else. |
| 15:47.26 | qq- | see topic |
| 15:47.27 | hyperzid | Oh well.. it dosnt matter. |
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| 15:47.55 | hyperzid | qq-, such a bot might exist in apt repository.. |
| 15:48.53 | qq- | dpkg, who are you |
| 15:48.53 | dpkg | I'm a chimp! |
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| 15:49.12 | qq- | dpkg, what are you |
| 15:49.12 | dpkg | I am an infobot. For more info see <infobot>. |
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| 15:49.53 | hyperzid | qq-, so its possible to get dpkg in my own channel? |
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| 15:51.41 | hyperzid | qq-, is it blootbot or infobot which is best to use? |
| 15:52.29 | qq- | hyperzid, dunno, /msg dpkg infobot |
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| 15:53.43 | hyperzid | qq-, I did.. and I got: NOTE: <Blootbot> (fork of infobot) has now replaced infobot. when doing blootbot I got: NOTE: blootbot development has officially stopped, and the project has been renamed back to infobot. |
| 15:53.53 | qq- | hyperzid, see #oftc on irc.oftc.net , ask there |
| 15:54.58 | hyperzid | qq-, what kinda channel is that? |
| 15:55.31 | jhutchins_lt | hyperzid: The kind where your question is not off-topic. |
| 15:56.56 | vyi | what does update-inetd --remove do? |
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| 15:58.29 | jhutchins_lt | vyi: The opposite of --add |
| 15:58.52 | nsadmin | man update-inetd look for --remove |
| 15:58.55 | nsadmin | and see |
| 15:59.26 | nsadmin | even if I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT DOES, you're doing it if you want to know :P |
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| 16:01.57 | Number5 | hello guys, how can I disable iptables for all network interfacves? |
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| 16:03.01 | Number5 | Cause I'm in s kind of desperate situation here... |
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| 16:04.31 | jhutchins_lt | Number5: That situation being? |
| 16:04.36 | jordanm | Number5: what is the actual problem? |
| 16:04.44 | jof | Number5, set the INPUT and OUTPUT policies to "ACCEPT" with "iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT", "iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT" |
| 16:04.50 | jof | and then flush the rules with "iptables -F" |
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| 16:05.14 | Number5 | does -F flushes all network interfaces? |
| 16:05.37 | jordanm | jof: many people who come in here with "iptables" problems, actually don't have a problem with iptables at all |
| 16:05.53 | Number5 | that's what I want to find out... |
| 16:06.00 | jordanm | Number5: what is the actual problem? |
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| 16:06.23 | jof | -F removes all the rules from the tables, but be careful that the default policy doesn't DROP everything |
| 16:07.12 | EverettZ | Any ideas why 'free -m' would report 550mb extra mem used when starting default config of apache2-mpm-worker? This seems high to me. lenny |
| 16:07.55 | Number5 | I have two special devices each connecting to one NIC on my linux box. These devices is configured such that they connect to a certain ip address. The ip adresses are the ones I have on my linux. |
| 16:08.20 | jordanm | Number5: are you using a crossover cable? |
| 16:08.22 | Number5 | one does connect to my nic and the other actually too, I can see it on wireshark |
| 16:08.35 | Number5 | jordanm: yes, I forgot to mention that |
| 16:08.39 | vyi | hm i have rsyslog can i remove it and simply add syslogd instead? |
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| 16:09.22 | Number5 | but one server listening on one of the two ip doesn't get connected. |
| 16:09.22 | jhutchins_lt | vyi: Why? |
| 16:09.32 | jordanm | vyi: you can use whatever syslog you prefer |
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| 16:09.57 | Number5 | so I want to be sure that it's not the iptables is blocking on one eth |
| 16:10.03 | Number5 | in my case eth1 |
| 16:10.20 | jhutchins_lt | Number5: How about iptables -l to see what's actually happeing? |
| 16:10.37 | jordanm | -L |
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| 16:10.47 | vyi | jhutchins_lt: following a bind chroot guide and the guy adds bind to syslog and i cant find familiar options in /etc/init.d/rsyslog |
| 16:10.55 | jof | Number5, rather than blowing away all of your rules, you could also insert a rule before all others (to test with) that allows traffic into any IPs configured on eth1 |
| 16:11.06 | jof | Number5, something like "iptables -I INPUT 1 -i eth1 -j ACCEPT" |
| 16:11.14 | jhutchins_lt | vyi: Well, no, of course not. |
| 16:11.28 | jordanm | vyi: guide? i think that is the default for the debian package, or is done so easily |
| 16:11.43 | sprink | Are dns-nameservers seperated by space or comma in /etc/networks/interfaces? |
| 16:11.44 | t3cnerd | anybody has a hint? i can't find something good at google: dovecot: imap-login: Dovecot version mismatch: Master is v1.0.15, login is v1.0.rc15 (if you don't care, set version_ignore=yes) |
| 16:12.03 | jordanm | vyi: check /usr/share/doc/bind9/README.Debian |
| 16:12.15 | Number5 | jof I'm behind a firewall and everything here is quite safe to experiment |
| 16:12.17 | jhutchins_lt | vyi: That wouldn't be where you would configure it anyway. |
| 16:12.32 | jhutchins_lt | vyi: Bind will log just fine with the debian defaults. What guide are you using? |
| 16:12.32 | sprink | It's not covered in the man page. |
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| 16:13.01 | Number5 | jof how can I disable iptables at all? |
| 16:13.12 | vyi | vyi: http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_debian_sarge_p3 iam totally a beginner just need to setup a vps for my company |
| 16:13.15 | vyi | ops |
| 16:13.22 | vyi | jhutchins_lt |
| 16:13.32 | abrotman | wtf |
| 16:13.39 | abrotman | do not use anything that mentions sarge as a reference |
| 16:13.45 | jhutchins_lt | vyi: Ok, sarge is WAY out of date. |
| 16:13.46 | jof | Number5, if you have it configured as a module there may be an "ip_tables" module you can remove |
| 16:13.50 | hyperzid | Which of the two dpkg statements is written last (the correct one)?: 1. NOTE: <Blootbot> (fork of infobot) has now replaced infobot. 2. NOTE: blootbot development has officially stopped, and the project has been renamed back to infobot. |
| 16:13.54 | vyi | oh.. |
| 16:14.07 | abrotman | (unless you know how to alter/apply the instructions to something more recent) |
| 16:14.08 | jof | but otherwise, just removing any rules and having the default "ACCEPT" policy will work the same |
| 16:14.18 | vyi | abrotman: guess i dont :) |
| 16:14.59 | jordanm | hyperzid: /msg dpkg factinfo blootbot |
| 16:15.20 | jhutchins_lt | vyi: This explains it pretty genericly: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/DNS-HOWTO.html |
| 16:15.52 | vyi | ill check it |
| 16:15.52 | jelly | !infobot |
| 16:15.52 | dpkg | Infobot is an IRC bot that is geared towards remembering "factoids", and repeating them back to people on request. It supports many additional features, such as google lookups, dictionary, spell checker, debian package checks, and more. See http://infobot.sourceforge.net/ for more. |
| 16:16.04 | jelly | sees no confusion |
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| 16:16.23 | jelly | hyperzid: what are you talking about? O:-) |
| 16:16.57 | hyperzid | jelly, its replacing each other... So who should I use? |
| 16:17.04 | jelly | hyperzid: infobot! |
| 16:17.16 | Number5 | jof and others, thank you for your help. |
| 16:17.46 | hyperzid | jelly, confusing note |
| 16:17.46 | vyi | jhutchins_lt: guess i need http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Chroot-BIND-HOWTO.html |
| 16:17.57 | jhutchins_lt | vyi: Ok. |
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| 16:18.25 | mms_ | my install stalls at Select and install software screen consistently...I tried 3 different mirrors... |
| 16:18.28 | jhutchins_lt | vyi: or aptitude install bind9, read the sample configs & go. |
| 16:18.49 | jhutchins_lt | mms_: How long are you giving it? |
| 16:18.53 | mms_ | I am installing using virtualbox, host is win 7, guest is debian.. |
| 16:19.03 | jhutchins_lt | ... |
| 16:19.13 | mms_ | jhutchins_lt: its been 10 minutes |
| 16:19.37 | mms_ | jhutchins_lt: yesterday I waited for more than half hour |
| 16:19.48 | hyperzid | jelly, is dpkg in other channels aswell..? |
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| 16:20.10 | hyperzid | jelly, or do I need to host it myself.. to get use of infobot. |
| 16:20.15 | mms_ | jhutchins_lt: earlier I choose ftp.debian.org and ftp.us.debian.org.....some said try some http mirror...so today choose columbia one.... |
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| 16:20.37 | jordanm | you can use http://ftp.us.debian.org |
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| 16:20.42 | mms_ | also one cannot break out of this step and go back change install |
| 16:20.48 | hyperzid | I assume I have to host it myself... |
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| 16:21.10 | mms_ | jordanm: I choose ftp.us.debian.org from the list it shows yesterday and it behaved same...stalled... |
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| 16:21.29 | mms_ | I am using netinst |
| 16:21.49 | jelly | hyperzid: if you want to save logs for your own channel, you'll probably have to set it up yourself. |
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| 16:22.07 | jelly | hyperzid: I have no idea if infobot has that functionality. |
| 16:22.27 | hyperzid | jelly, strange that noone have a free service which does it already. |
| 16:22.43 | jelly | hyperzid: are you sure freenode doesn't already have it? |
| 16:22.52 | hyperzid | I assume many opensource projects wants it.. and have it. |
| 16:22.55 | jelly | hyperzid: where is your channel hosted? |
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| 16:23.37 | hyperzid | jelly, I'm not sure if freenode has it or not.. |
| 16:23.38 | mms_ | I think I should install just base system and then do upgrade. can I do that ? |
| 16:23.51 | hyperzid | jelly, its hosted at freenode. |
| 16:24.12 | mms_ | I should not choose any mirror and go ahead and finish install. may be then should do upgrade. |
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| 16:24.27 | jelly | hyperzid: I'm sure a search for "freenode logs" or similar will show some results |
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| 16:24.38 | hyperzid | jelly, thanks for the tip.. I'll try. |
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| 16:25.54 | voicu | hmm, I get a 404 error with apt-get? what gives? |
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| 16:29.35 | MrFrood | voicu: try another mirror |
| 16:29.54 | voicu | well i'm currently on http.us.debian.org |
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| 16:30.09 | voicu | MrFrood: I thought that would be the most up to date |
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| 16:32.04 | MrFrood | but if it's not working and you want to update it is of no use no matter how up to date it is |
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| 16:34.48 | voicu | MrFrood: I get the same thing on other mirrors |
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| 16:36.51 | mms_ | also one cannot break out of this step select and install software and go back change install |
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| 16:38.21 | tab1ta | hello.. which is the right version of the installer for machines with two cpu? |
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| 16:40.29 | poisonbit | tab1ta, since lenny, any (with the proper arch), the number of cpu does not matter |
| 16:40.49 | poisonbit | if there is only one cpu, the kernel disable some smp subsystems at boot, antd thats all |
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| 16:44.38 | Trashi | hi. i did insall sqlite3 and if i want to start it works really great via /usr/bin/sqlite3 ... but if i type only sqlite3 it looks into the wrong directory (/usr/local/bin instead of /usr/bin) and give the error "file not found" ... how can i fix this problem? |
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| 16:45.03 | voicu | do a hard link |
| 16:45.15 | jordanm | Trashi: fix your PATH |
| 16:45.16 | voicu | or put /usr/local/bin in a path |
| 16:45.34 | tab1ta | tnks poisonbit |
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| 16:46.45 | simonrvn | Trashi: fix your PATH and/or rm the one in /usr/local |
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| 16:48.28 | Trashi | i know that i have to fix the path but i dont know how or where *sorry* |
| 16:48.46 | jordanm | well, you seem to have modified it once already to get in this situation |
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| 16:50.53 | Trashi | jordanm: i just installed sqlite3 via apt-get install sqlite3 |
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| 16:53.41 | Trashi | /usr/bin# whereis sqlite3 > sqlite3: /usr/bin/sqlite3 ... it seems to be right ... but if i type only sqlite3 it look at /usr/local/bin |
| 16:53.51 | epsas | win 3 |
| 16:54.16 | Trashi | ? |
| 16:54.17 | ib-mobile | I'm having issues with a conflict between bind9 and dnsmasq. I want bind9 to serve only external dns requests and dnsmasq for internal dns, but bind9 is grabbing the port dnsmasq needs and I can't figure out how to stop it |
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| 16:55.05 | newsense | ib-mobile: i would thing you could change the port in a config file for one or the other in /etc |
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| 16:55.18 | t3cnerd | after full-upgrade to etch it's impossible to connect via ssh to my host. with the active connection i can see, that the host-key got blacklisted |
| 16:55.31 | t3cnerd | how can i create a new host key that i can login again? |
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| 16:58.04 | ib-mobile | newsense: I was thinking the same thing, but sadly I haven't figured out how. I found the listen-on {} option, but it seems to require an IP address, not a port name, but even specifying the ip address I want it to listen on, it still grabs the port for internal dns |
| 16:58.08 | jordanm | t3cnerd: you mean you just went from sarge->etch? |
| 16:58.36 | t3cnerd | yes |
| 16:59.04 | t3cnerd | jordann: it's working quite well, there are just little problems. |
| 16:59.40 | karlpinc | ib-mobile: The only way to do it is to assign 2 IP addresses to the interface. Clients are always going to ask for port 53 and you can only have one port 53 open per IP. |
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| 17:00.12 | mms_ | hi when in vbox trying to install debian seems like networking connection is not quite setup fine. any encountered this problem ? |
| 17:01.24 | ib-mobile | karlpinc: I have two interfaces, the internal interface and an external interface. I want bind9 to bind to the external interface, and dnsmasq to bind to the internal interface. dnsmasq seems to be doing the right thing, but bind is being greedy and wants to bind to all interfaces, even after specifying the external interface |
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| 17:02.03 | karlpinc | ib-mobile: Check the logs. |
| 17:02.13 | t3cnerd | jordanm: you know how i can fix the problem? |
| 17:02.20 | ib-mobile | I've noticed if I start dnsmasq first, then start bind, things work as expected, but the default startup order seems to start bind9 first, which grabs the internal port even though I thought I was telling it not to |
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| 17:03.06 | jordanm | t3cnerd: no, but I can suggest having a look at the etch release notes. perhaps it was a common issue with upgrades |
| 17:03.15 | vyi | ehm can someone check this? http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=vj4DAG2H |
| 17:03.24 | karlpinc | ib-mobile: You're not telling it right. |
| 17:03.25 | vyi | and..options is next to the .conf aswell in the chroot |
| 17:03.26 | jordanm | t3cnerd: also, still one more to go before security support |
| 17:04.34 | nooper | vyi: is named.conf in /etc or /etc/bind? |
| 17:04.43 | jordanm | vyi: looks like you are missing a etc/bind/named.conf.options file you have defined in your config |
| 17:04.43 | vyi | oh i can see, /etc/bind/named.conf.options: it should be named |
| 17:04.45 | vyi | ye noticed |
| 17:05.02 | vyi | well i have .conf .options and .local all in /chroot/named/etc |
| 17:05.14 | vyi | or the option file should be outside the jail? |
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| 17:07.22 | mms_ | any one knows what to do to set up networking in vbox. install of debian guest is stalled after network mirror selection. |
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| 17:08.17 | jordanm | mms_: I have never had to do anything |
| 17:08.32 | jordanm | I sometimes change to a bridged configuration, but it is not required for internet access |
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| 17:09.39 | servietsky | hi |
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| 17:11.42 | vyi | nooper: named.conf is in /chroot/etc and options is in /etc/bind/named.conf.options |
| 17:11.56 | Baughn | What's the preferred way to install Debian to a chroot these days? |
| 17:12.09 | jordanm | Baughn: debootstrap |
| 17:12.52 | Baughn | jordanm: Installation manual appendix D.3.. yeah, naturally I'd find that half a minue after asking. ;_; |
| 17:12.57 | Baughn | So yes, debootstrap. |
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| 17:15.15 | t3cnerd | jordanm: thx. i found help myself at google :). |
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| 17:16.08 | DogWater | Hi, I am trying to remove /usr/sbin/sshd so I can reinstall openssh-server and it tells me operation not permitted as root |
| 17:16.17 | DogWater | any clue how I can get rid of it? |
| 17:16.53 | astrojp | I need the package that has the development headers and library for mysql. That would be 'libmysqlclient-dev', correct? |
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| 17:17.14 | vyi | jordanm: any idea the file is there, even in /chroot/etc. |
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| 17:17.39 | jordanm | vyi: no |
| 17:17.55 | astrojp | I need the package that has the development headers and library for mysql. That would be 'libmysqlclient-dev', correct? |
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| 17:18.38 | astrojp | sorry about that...didn't mean to ask then /leave earlier. :/ |
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| 17:22.05 | b11d` | hello |
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| 17:23.48 | jhutchins_lt | astrojp: aptitude search mysql | grep dev |
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| 17:25.45 | jordanm | bah.. aptitude search '~nmysql.*-dev' |
| 17:26.24 | b11d` | is there a way I can find the .config for the kernel that came with my debian install? that kernel works great.. trying to upgrade, but its not panning out.. im missing something in my new .config |
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| 17:27.06 | jordanm | b11d`: you are trying to upgrade to a custom kernel? |
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| 17:27.41 | vyi | jordanm: works now, had to edit the path at "include" in named.conf |
| 17:28.02 | thewanderer1 | b11d`: /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
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| 17:28.15 | b11d` | no friggin way |
| 17:28.17 | b11d` | <--- moron |
| 17:28.18 | b11d` | thnaks :) |
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| 17:29.39 | cusco | hi |
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| 17:31.16 | moldy | hi |
| 17:31.17 | astrojp | jhutchins_lt, jordanm: thanks. |
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| 17:32.01 | b11d` | thewanderer1.. worked perfect.. thanks for answering my foolishness |
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| 17:32.18 | jhutchins_lt | b11d`: Everybody has to find out sometime. |
| 17:32.19 | thewanderer1 | b11d`: your foolishness is welcome :P |
| 17:32.34 | moldy | if i run the command from /etc/cron.d/amavisd-new manually (test -e /usr/sbin/amavisd-new-cronjob && /usr/sbin/amavisd-new-cronjob sa-sync), i don't get any output. but if it runs as a cronjob, i get an e-mail containing "bayes: synced databases from journal in 0 seconds: 290 unique entries (308 total entries)" |
| 17:32.46 | moldy | does anyone have an idea why? |
| 17:32.59 | b11d` | :) |
| 17:33.26 | simonrvn | um, that's what the sync does... |
| 17:33.38 | moldy | simonrvn: are you talking to me? |
| 17:34.26 | cusco | hi... |
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| 17:34.39 | moldy | ah, i just found out |
| 17:34.44 | moldy | cron runs it as a different user |
| 17:35.07 | moldy | ok, so i'll just redirect the output to /dev/null |
| 17:35.09 | cusco | a fresh install of squeeze with NVIDIA driver... the screen goes to sleep.. |
| 17:35.21 | cusco | how can I disable that sleepy screen?= |
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| 17:36.32 | jhutchins_lt | I can't count the number of times I've found something in linux and thought "Wow, that makes perfect sense. They did it right!" |
| 17:36.55 | jhutchins_lt | One of the fun things about getting into Debina after all these years is that I'm having those experiences all over again! |
| 17:37.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | where did you think that? |
| 17:37.27 | jhutchins_lt | (Mind you, there are still a few "Gods that's stupid" moments as well. |
| 17:37.42 | jhutchins_lt | CutMeOwnThroat: Well, like the kernel config files are in /boot - with the kernels. |
| 17:38.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmh, I would more think that about /proc/config.gz or whatever that was exactly |
| 17:38.50 | jhutchins_lt | /proc? Seriously? |
| 17:39.15 | jhutchins_lt | It's certainly not the only place they could go, but it's a good idea. |
| 17:39.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | used to... dunno about now (and it's disabled in debian, which has it in /boot) - nice thing is, that the kernel itself puts it there and it is definitely what that kernel was configured with |
| 17:39.49 | jhutchins_lt | /proc isn't even a real filesystem. |
| 17:40.04 | jordanm | if you configure an upstream kernel with config.gz support, it will be in /proc |
| 17:40.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | no... and this file isn't a real file, but the current kernel tells what it was configured with |
| 17:40.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | which is a neat idea |
| 17:40.38 | jhutchins_lt | You mean it generates a config file when it loads? |
| 17:40.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | right |
| 17:40.58 | jhutchins_lt | Hm. That seems unnecessary. Can you turn it off? |
| 17:41.05 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: this actually lightly covered in man proc |
| 17:41.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | I just said that |
| 17:41.27 | jhutchins_lt | Ah, so I see. |
| 17:41.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | I find it neat... of course, bloats the kernel by the size that the config needs for storing |
| 17:41.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | still... neat idea |
| 17:42.10 | mms_ | I am installing on netbook. should I choose desktop env, laptop, standard config in selection ? |
| 17:42.15 | jhutchins_lt | Well, it is good if you can take an arbitrary kernel binary and somehow extract/generate a .config |
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| 17:42.49 | jhutchins_lt | mms_: You'll probably want some of the stuff from laptop. |
| 17:42.54 | mms_ | in software selection screen can I choose desktop env, laptop, standard system ? |
| 17:43.02 | mms_ | ok no harm then |
| 17:43.15 | mms_ | I was confused if desktop env and laptop would conflict |
| 17:43.42 | jhutchins_lt | mms_: Not really. |
| 17:44.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't think any tasks conflict... that would reduce their usefulness drastically |
| 17:44.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | haven't tried a lot of combinations, though |
| 17:45.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tasksel |
| 17:45.21 | dpkg | i heard tasksel is a program to select and install "tasks": a collection of packages for a system to perform a specific task (e.g. desktop environment, web server). Ask me about <standard task>, <server tasks> and <laptop task>. http://wiki.debian.org/tasksel |
| 17:45.29 | mms_ | I saw that apt config used networking but after tasksel the screen is like stalled |
| 17:45.34 | jhutchins_lt | There is some overlap, but mostly you just end up with more packages if you pick more tasks. |
| 17:45.47 | mms_ | does it take long to figure out what all to install ? |
| 17:45.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | mms_, you might want to /msg the bot about the tasks listed there to get an impression |
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| 17:47.25 | hyperzid | Does anyone know about an todo list to manage what many people should do/have done? |
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| 17:48.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno... don't remember it taking long... but I don't usually select many tasks or install machines on a daily basis |
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| 17:49.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | hyperzid, what? Like "1) get born"? |
| 17:49.18 | jhutchins_lt | hyperzid: korganizer |
| 17:49.34 | jordanm | M-x org-mode |
| 17:49.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins_lt, ah, now I understand what he asks! |
| 17:49.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | jeopardy! |
| 17:50.20 | thewanderer1 | CutMeOwnThroat: you forgot 0), anyway :P |
| 17:51.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | thewanderer1, nope... 0) is for the stuff you have forgotten but have to put in afterwards... |
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| 17:52.56 | thewanderer1 | CutMeOwnThroat: ah yes, the zeroth thermodynamics principle :P |
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| 17:54.40 | hyperzid | jhutchins, CutMeOwnThroat what about an online one?.. maybe not right channel to ask? |
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| 17:55.30 | thewanderer1 | hyperzid: how about looking at Horde? it might provide the features you want... it at least has a calendar |
| 17:55.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | thewanderer1, for example |
| 17:55.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | thewanderer1, problematic if you forgot several things ... 0.1 0.2 0.3 ... |
| 17:55.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | google calendar? |
| 17:55.55 | rubin110 | What's a good way to kill the output of something when I run it as a cron job? |
| 17:56.01 | thewanderer1 | Google? as in "trust the Cloud"? yeah, if you really want to do that :P |
| 17:56.09 | thewanderer1 | rubin110: >/dev/null 2>&1 |
| 17:56.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | phpgroupware? |
| 17:56.23 | rubin110 | thewanderer1: What does 2>&1 do? |
| 17:56.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | thewanderer1, well, he arsked |
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| 17:56.52 | thewanderer1 | rubin110: redirects stream 2 to stream 1, which goes to /dev/null |
| 17:57.05 | rubin110 | I see. |
| 17:57.12 | rubin110 | Thanks! |
| 17:57.22 | hyperzid | thewanderer1, I need to be able to organize several teams with several people in each. |
| 17:57.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | hyperzid, mind that phpgroupware is only in lenny and has been removed from all newer archives.... |
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| 17:58.47 | thewanderer1 | hyperzid: I'm not a keen groupware user so I don't know what offers what - read up on that... well, I wanted to write a web portal to do that, but I decided to play an RTS instead :P |
| 17:59.27 | thewanderer1 | anything that offers calendar sharing / todo list sharing should suffice |
| 17:59.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | wouldn't wonder if that was because of security concerns |
| 18:00.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | !why is phpgroupware not in testing |
| 18:00.12 | dpkg | phpgroupware is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=phpgroupware |
| 18:00.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | There are 5 open security issues, please fix them. |
| 18:00.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | right |
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| 18:04.05 | SteveC | What's a good way of backing up a whole server? |
| 18:04.09 | jhutchins_lt | rubin110: Stream 2 being Standard Error, 1 being Standar Out. |
| 18:04.09 | jordanm | rsync |
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| 18:04.53 | SteveC | jordanm: that involves a heap of work getting certs synced etc? |
| 18:05.24 | jhutchins_lt | SteveC: Depends on how you set it up. |
| 18:05.39 | jhutchins_lt | SteveC: Simply using rsync to an external storage device is pretty simple. |
| 18:05.48 | jhutchins_lt | SteveC: Setting up ssh certs isn't hard. |
| 18:05.53 | hyperzid | CutMeOwnThroat, thewanderer1: Whould be awsome with a groupware suite with a client that offer project based real time chat like irc :-) |
| 18:05.57 | _d9 | wikipedia.org is slow today |
| 18:05.57 | Speeder99 | Hello, While trying to install debian It did not detect my NIC, but another popular distro did,I know the driver uded by that distro, how can I grab and install in debian? |
| 18:05.59 | SteveC | I've no physical access to the machine unfortunately.. Would like to get a single file which I can ftp off-server :) |
| 18:06.09 | _d9 | some errors on the european net |
| 18:06.12 | SteveC | jhutchins_lt: I always run into problems trying to get certs working. |
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| 18:06.58 | _d9 | ping wikipedia.org gets answers from wikipedia.org wikibook and wikimedia |
| 18:08.02 | ib-mobile | Here are some more details on my problem with bind9 / dnsmasq conflict. I'm thinking it's a bug in bind9, with a possible simple fix for the debian package mantainers: http://pastebin.ca/1941509 |
| 18:08.11 | thewanderer1 | _d9: perhaps virtual hosting / IP anycast techniques? |
| 18:09.02 | jhutchins_lt | _d9: That's not necessarily wrong. |
| 18:09.08 | thewanderer1 | hyperzid: you know, XMPP is real-time, open... and there is something called eyeOS - an operating system that you can run in your browser, supports a form of chat, some chat clients, announcements, who knows... maybe you'll find that useful |
| 18:09.47 | _d9 | the site need 2 minutes for loading a site and we got only html code without format |
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| 18:10.41 | jordanm | SteveC: no, rsync can be used to make a replica |
| 18:10.41 | jhutchins_lt | _d9: That's niether network nor site. |
| 18:10.47 | hyperzid | thewanderer1, does XMPP support topic based chat which persists over time? |
| 18:11.05 | jordanm | SteveC: there are only a couple machine-specific files, namely, /boot/grub/menu.lst and /etc/fstab |
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| 18:13.01 | thewanderer1 | hyperzid: you mean persistent chat rooms? yeah, until you restart the server (kept in RAM) |
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| 18:13.10 | thewanderer1 | and topic is set like in IRC |
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| 18:13.25 | thewanderer1 | I use XMPP for internal management |
| 18:13.26 | jhutchins_lt | SteveC: The problem with backing up a live server is that you may run into essential files that are locked. |
| 18:14.01 | jhutchins_lt | SteveC: You could use tar. |
| 18:14.28 | hyperzid | thewanderer1, awsome!.. what client do you use? |
| 18:14.45 | jordanm | I have never had an issue with "locked" files. |
| 18:15.03 | thewanderer1 | hyperzid: pidgin is enough for me, psi is said to be better - never used that |
| 18:15.36 | hyperzid | thewanderer1, I need something which is working under Linux,windows and mac. |
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| 18:16.15 | jhutchins_lt | xmpp is just a messaging protocol, not an application suite. |
| 18:16.29 | jhutchins_lt | jordanm: Databases can be a pain. |
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| 18:16.37 | hyperzid | jhutchins_lt, I meant a client. |
| 18:16.49 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: yeah, databases should be dumped seperately just in case |
| 18:16.51 | thewanderer1 | hyperzid: pidgin does, as far as I know... |
| 18:17.08 | thewanderer1 | there are various other clients out there, too |
| 18:17.13 | hyperzid | :-D |
| 18:17.32 | thewanderer1 | hyperzid: when you find someone needing a client but not being able to run Pidgin, you can recommend SparkWeb to them, or meebo if you must |
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| 18:18.07 | thewanderer1 | SparkWeb is deployed on your infrastructure while Meebo is an external service (+1 to risk factor :P ) |
| 18:18.08 | crashanddie | hey guys, is it possible to "merge" deb files? |
| 18:18.23 | thewanderer1 | crashanddie: unpack, copy files, repack |
| 18:18.33 | crashanddie | thewanderer1: and for the post-intall scripts? |
| 18:19.16 | b11d` | when recompiling and installing a fresh kernel, do I need to do ANYTHING ELSE to get /dev/mapper stuff to come up? Im just getting nowhere.. |
| 18:19.19 | b11d` | i have mapper support in the kernel |
| 18:19.23 | hyperzid | thewanderer1, this is like if my birthday and christmas was at the same time ;) |
| 18:19.26 | b11d` | but after reboot, it NEVER finds the LVM. |
| 18:20.15 | thewanderer1 | b11d`: initramfs (initrd)... |
| 18:20.19 | b11d` | done |
| 18:20.25 | b11d` | sorry I forgot that I did that |
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| 18:21.50 | b11d` | im sure this /dev/mapper stuff is awesome, but holy hell I hate it at the moment |
| 18:22.48 | JasonWoof | It happened again! I've rebound my capslock key to Super_L, and somehow while typing, the capslock got on |
| 18:22.52 | jhutchins_lt | b11d`: One more thing to fail. |
| 18:23.13 | b11d` | exactly |
| 18:23.26 | thewanderer1 | b11d`: did you forget LVM? :P |
| 18:23.28 | jhutchins_lt | b11d`: Eliminate it. |
| 18:23.40 | b11d` | no.. we're going this way.. i've got to adapt |
| 18:23.48 | b11d` | LVM.. i dont think I forgot it |
| 18:24.05 | b11d` | /dev/mapper itself shows up in /dev |
| 18:24.20 | JasonWoof | I went to a virtual terminal (ctrl-alt-f2) and logged in and pressed capslock (which is still capslock in the VT) a bunch, and switched back (after a while of hitting keys it let me) to x and now it's ok. |
| 18:24.21 | b11d` | of course, my drive doesnt show up as /dev/sda |
| 18:24.36 | b11d` | but yet my sata drivers loaded and it sees my dvd-rom |
| 18:24.42 | b11d` | but not the hard drive |
| 18:24.51 | JasonWoof | Last time this happened I couldn't get out of it, and decided it'd be easier to reboot than rebind some key to capslock and press it once, then rebind it back |
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| 18:25.35 | rhot | Hi debain users ! |
| 18:26.47 | rhot | i am new to debain , in my office they create user called cmstypo3, in that i can't apache process running . but it is running ? any idea ! ? |
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| 18:27.39 | rhot | ???? |
| 18:27.43 | l0st-soul | rhot: you want to do what ? run apache process under user cmstypo3 ? |
| 18:27.53 | l0st-soul | and you "can't apache" |
| 18:28.11 | simonrvn | missing verbs |
| 18:28.12 | l0st-soul | but you know for sure it is running |
| 18:28.24 | jhutchins_lt | b11d`: Is there a storage controller driver you need? |
| 18:28.31 | rhot | am sure it is running !! |
| 18:28.44 | l0st-soul | i dont understand your question |
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| 18:30.29 | b11d` | jhutchins.. i believe so.. adaptec aac raid, just added it |
| 18:30.32 | b11d` | rebooting now |
| 18:31.51 | rhot | Actually , apache is running [ http://www.typo3.anubavam.info/ ], i have logged in cmstypo3 user. i need to stop apache it. |
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| 18:32.23 | b11d` | got it jhutchins.. booted :) |
| 18:32.24 | b11d` | thanks :) |
| 18:32.59 | simonrvn | rhot: 'stop apache it' makes no sense |
| 18:33.35 | rhot | k I need to stop apache |
| 18:33.44 | jelly-hme | rhot: you need to be root to do that. |
| 18:34.47 | rhot | without root is possible ? |
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| 18:35.12 | jelly-hme | rhot: Not really. Were you provided with a way to run "/usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d stop apache" or "/etc/init.d/apache stop" as root? |
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| 18:37.12 | vyi | hm where can i tell bind where to look rndc.key? |
| 18:37.24 | rhot | i have found the apache installation dir : "/usr/local/dh/apache2/template/sbin/apachectl" |
| 18:37.40 | jhutchins_lt | rhot: This is probably not something you should be asking us here; you should be asking the people who manage the server and who set up your account. |
| 18:38.16 | nsadmin | rhot: very likely, without root IS NOT possible |
| 18:38.41 | nsadmin | but I defer to your provider |
| 18:38.54 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah, dreamhost. |
| 18:39.32 | jhutchins_lt | rhot: I suspect that stopping the apache server is not what you need to do. Contact dreamhost and find out how to do what you _really_ want to do. This is not a #debian question. |
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| 18:40.24 | sdousley | Hi all, I'm trying to install NFS on a Debian server, howeber, it seems to have got stuck at "Starting NFS common utilities: statd." is that normal? or should it get throught hat fairly quickly? |
| 18:40.56 | rhot | thanks friends ! |
| 18:41.05 | rhot | let me do that !! |
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| 18:42.06 | Pinchiukas | Shouldn't there be a /dev/lp0 for my parallel port? |
| 18:42.29 | nsadmin | devices are named by udev |
| 18:43.10 | Pinchiukas | So...? |
| 18:43.11 | nsadmin | you may need a module or two for the port |
| 18:43.40 | Pinchiukas | Ok, which modules? |
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| 18:44.22 | nsadmin | it's been wayyy too long since I used a parallel port for anything; kernels have come and gone since then. you need to find out what's current |
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| 18:45.23 | ib-mobile | Ok, I figured out the problem with dnsmasq/bind9 conflicts. Using netstat I was able to determine the problem was with dnsmasq binding to wildcard addresses instead of the specified interfaces. Turns out this is by design unless you specify the 'bind-interfaces' option in /etc/dnsmasq.conf. Uncommenting that line fixed my problem. :) |
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| 18:45.38 | wal3 | hello. i am doing "rdiff-backup /home/rick/videos /internbackuphdd/videos". it replies "Fatal Error: Restore target /internbackuphdd/videos already exists, specify --force to overwrite.". Why? it used to work. |
| 18:45.52 | pyrophelia | is there an easy way to clear out the current syslog? I need to check on the status of some hardware and my syslog is full |
| 18:45.59 | pyrophelia | I want just the stuff since this boot |
| 18:46.31 | jhutchins_lt | Pinchiukas: You might try aptitude search ~dparallel - no idea what that will return though. |
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| 18:47.04 | jhutchins_lt | pyrophelia: logrotate -f /var/log/syslog, or manyally rename/move the file. |
| 18:47.04 | jordanm | pyrophelia: your syslog is full? you mean you are out of storage space on /var? |
| 18:48.03 | Pinchiukas | jhutchins_lt: I seem to have the paraport_pc module loaded. |
| 18:49.09 | jhutchins | pyrophelia: Other tricks include using logger to insert a mark, or just echoing a marker or blank space to it. |
| 18:49.39 | jhutchins | jordanm: I'm guessing he means it's "full of crap and I can't find relevant entries". |
| 18:49.53 | pyrophelia | jordanm: I have soace on the drive, I just wanted to clean the log out so I can take a look and see if I have any hardware issues |
| 18:51.18 | nsadmin | a ram tester can tell you whether you have more serious issues |
| 18:51.41 | sdousley | does anyone know why, when installing nfs-kernel-server it always hangs - endlessly at starting statd? |
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| 18:54.48 | Squeeb | Hi, I'm performing a net install of Lenny and I get to the part where it installs busybox as part of the base-install |
| 18:54.52 | Squeeb | and it fails with an authentication error |
| 18:54.59 | Squeeb | I've tried a few different mirrors |
| 18:55.09 | Squeeb | Is anyone else having this issue? |
| 18:55.49 | nsadmin | last line, addressed by bts |
| 18:55.55 | Squeeb | bts? |
| 18:56.10 | Pinchiukas | Ok why don't I have a /dev/lp0 device? It is enabled in my BIOS and the module paraport_pc is loaded |
| 18:56.11 | nsadmin | any and all questions like "anyone having problems with X" |
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| 18:56.36 | karlpinc | !tell Squeeb about bts |
| 18:56.48 | nsadmin | second line, provide exact text of message |
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| 18:57.14 | karlpinc | Squeeb: But really, what does the install log say? Check Ctrl-Alt-F2 (or F3 or F4, I forget). |
| 18:57.16 | Pinchiukas | Ok seems I needed the 'lp' module loaded. How do I load it on boot? |
| 18:57.35 | qq- | F4 |
| 18:57.49 | qq- | Alt +F4 |
| 18:57.58 | Squeeb | karlpinc: it says "WARNING: The following packages could not be authenticated: busybox" |
| 18:58.06 | Squeeb | from apt |
| 18:58.09 | nsadmin | Alt+F4 for what? |
| 18:58.17 | qq- | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:58.19 | Squeeb | qq-: |
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| 18:59.00 | Squeeb | it's like the debian-archive-keyring is out of date or something. |
| 18:59.01 | Squeeb | :/ |
| 18:59.08 | Squeeb | on UK mirrors. |
| 19:00.20 | Squeeb | karlpinc: any ideas. |
| 19:00.23 | Squeeb | I can't see this on the bts |
| 19:00.41 | qq- | Squeeb, i suppose is a network issue |
| 19:00.49 | Squeeb | :/ |
| 19:00.56 | qq- | your network .. |
| 19:00.56 | Squeeb | we have had some network sillyness today |
| 19:01.03 | Squeeb | It appears to be BT wholesale in general |
| 19:01.03 | nsadmin | so when you install debian-archive-keyring, does it install a package? |
| 19:01.10 | Pinchiukas | Why does nothing come out of the printer after I do an 'echo test > /dev/lp0'? It start blinking its light but nothing is happening. |
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| 19:01.28 | Squeeb | nsadmin: well this is during the netinstall, should I choose one of the busybox consoles and try and install the debian-archive-keyring package manually? |
| 19:01.32 | karlpinc | Squeeb: Dunno. Starting at the beginning md5sum check your netinstall cd. |
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| 19:01.49 | Squeeb | checked that .. it appears to check out with the one on the mirror. |
| 19:02.21 | Squeeb | I'll go try a german mirror |
| 19:02.27 | Squeeb | they usually work when this kind of oddness happens |
| 19:03.32 | karlpinc | Pinchiukas: echo -e 'test\f' >/dev/lp0 |
| 19:04.25 | Pinchiukas | Thanks. :) |
| 19:04.31 | Pinchiukas | Any suggestions on how to add it to samba without CUPS? |
| 19:05.17 | crashanddie | grep -v CUPS /dev/lp0 >> samba |
| 19:05.27 | Pinchiukas | Huh? |
| 19:05.47 | qq- | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:05.56 | crashanddie | 'without CUPS' |
| 19:06.16 | Pinchiukas | I want to share the printer but I don't want to use CUPS. |
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| 19:07.13 | hyperzid | thewanderer1, any other tools for companies you can recommend? |
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| 19:08.21 | crashanddie | Pinchiukas: IIRC, you could just add the printer definition to smb.conf and use lpr as the print command, but this was quite a few years ago |
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| 19:08.38 | Pinchiukas | crashanddie: any howto you can point me to? |
| 19:08.51 | thewanderer1 | hyperzid: I don't know - I've never worked in one :P |
| 19:09.03 | crashanddie | an old one, not debian specific: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/SMB-HOWTO-9.html |
| 19:09.13 | Pinchiukas | Thanks. |
| 19:09.54 | thewanderer1 | Pinchiukas: there is remote USB (USB-over-IP) if it's USB, or some JetDirect daemon... |
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| 19:13.21 | Basque | hi all |
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| 19:15.26 | Basque | how can i download a package debian and dependences using an explorer (without apt ..synaptic..)..i dont want the sources in tarballs,i only want the pppconfig.deb,et cetera |
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| 19:15.55 | thewanderer1 | Basque: "an explorer"? you must mean a web browser... packages.debian.org |
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| 19:16.22 | Basque | yes,a web browser,pardon |
| 19:16.49 | thewanderer1 | you have to do some clicking there (resolve dependencies in your mind) but otherwise it's what you want |
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| 19:19.04 | Basque | oh yes,thank you very much |
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| 19:28.45 | abrotman | !apt-zip |
| 19:28.45 | dpkg | Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media. Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline> <apt-walkabout>. http://wiki.debian.org/AptZip |
| 19:28.50 | nixbox | hi all, i have compiled a vanilla kernel, using non-debian (normal) method, i used checkinstall to create kernel-modules deb package, how can i create a package for header files for the new kernel? |
| 19:29.25 | jordanm | nixbox: use kernel-package |
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| 19:31.05 | Squeeb | bleh |
| 19:31.08 | nixbox | jordanm: you mean, i would have to use make-kpkg? |
| 19:31.20 | Squeeb | Company proxy had some old gpg package cached :( |
| 19:31.26 | Squeeb | epic fail. |
| 19:31.30 | jordanm | nixbox: yep |
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| 19:34.57 | nsadmin | nixbox, bad luck... you may have to compile again... |
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| 19:35.29 | nixbox | nsadmin: haha yeah, exactly the thought going through my mind at this moment :P |
| 19:36.00 | nixbox | nsadmin: i have distcc setup with 4 machines, would help a bit |
| 19:36.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's the reason you compiled anyway? |
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| 19:36.29 | nixbox | CutMeOwnThroat: working on wireless-testing kernels |
| 19:36.29 | jordanm | sounds like hes a gentoo user |
| 19:36.53 | jordanm | compat-wireless? |
| 19:37.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | wireless? that's all modules |
| 19:37.43 | nixbox | the problem is that debugging is never turned on in distribution kernels |
| 19:38.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | and compiling the module isn't enough? |
| 19:38.32 | nixbox | i dont know of anyway to turn debugging on using compat-wireless, anyways once the kernel is compiled, its easy to keep track of things using wireless-testing git repository rather than download compat-wireless, compiling and installing it everytime |
| 19:39.21 | jordanm | nixbox: the whole source tree will work in place of the headers in most cases, with the exception of debian packages designed to use module-assistant |
| 19:39.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | I see... |
| 19:40.00 | nixbox | jordanm: i know that, but i have to install the kernel on multiple machines which are not and cannot be on a wired network, transferring the whole tree over wireless is a pain |
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| 19:45.06 | nixbox | how do i use make-kpkg with vanilla kernels? is there a guide somewhere for that? |
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| 19:47.01 | xyan | nixbox: google or take a look at howotforge.com |
| 19:47.14 | nixbox | ok i found something through google, thanks |
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| 19:48.49 | jordanm | nixbox: yep /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/* |
| 19:49.04 | jordanm | nixbox: there are examples and documentation on how to use |
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| 19:49.44 | nixbox | jordanm: thanks |
| 19:49.45 | redDEADresolve | is thedailyshow not playing for anyone else in squeeze 64 bit running 32 bit flash? |
| 19:50.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | !kp mantra |
| 19:50.16 | dpkg | methinks kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an <initrd>. |
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| 19:52.34 | metaphys | who uses nagio? |
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| 19:53.39 | nsadmin | !ask to ask |
| 19:53.40 | dpkg | Don't ask to ask. Don't ask if anybody can help you with x. Just ask! If you're unsure how to phrase your question, ask me about <ask>. |
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| 19:53.53 | J_P | hi all |
| 19:54.12 | stew | can someone help me with x? |
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| 19:54.42 | J_P | people, I have a p core 2 duo. just first processor are using 100%, second is about 15%. Is possible set a application to use second cpu? |
| 19:56.20 | stew | J_P: google for "cpu affinity" |
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| 19:57.15 | gandhijee | hey where does aptitude download .deb files to? |
| 19:57.35 | stew | gandhijee: /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 19:57.42 | gandhijee | thanks |
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| 19:59.17 | stew | metaphys: (lots of people use nagios, if you have a more specific question, ask it) |
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| 19:59.25 | J_P | stew: ok |
| 19:59.34 | fignewman | What's the best/proper way to have debian just leave my console with the default font during boot? When it switched to fb (or whatever it's doing), I lose my scrollback and I'm trying to debug an issue that shows up just before the switch. |
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| 20:00.16 | jordanm | !bootlog |
| 20:00.16 | dpkg | i guess bootlogd is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to populate /var/log/boot . For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg). |
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| 20:01.48 | fignewman | that could work too, but I'm still curious how I'd disable this "feature" |
| 20:02.14 | jordanm | fignewman: what version of debian? |
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| 20:02.18 | stew | fignewman: you could try disabling the console-screen.sh init script |
| 20:02.50 | fignewman | jordanm: sid. Up to date. |
| 20:02.58 | jordanm | eww |
| 20:03.13 | fignewman | why "eww"? |
| 20:03.26 | jordanm | fignewman: try using video=nofb. add to /etc/default/grub and run update-grub2 |
| 20:03.33 | jordanm | !tell fignewman about sid |
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| 20:05.14 | Bushmills | cd Vid |
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| 20:07.15 | fignewman | jordanm: yeah, I'm very much aware of what sid is. I think I've been running it for almost as long as it has existed :) |
| 20:07.19 | Burns | Hello |
| 20:07.27 | Howie69 | hello |
| 20:07.31 | Burns | What can cause segmentation fault |
| 20:07.40 | Howie69 | a LOT of things :) |
| 20:07.49 | Burns | I can't get my debian 64 installed because of that |
| 20:07.53 | Howie69 | Segfault in what? |
| 20:07.59 | Burns | it formats fine, but when it starts to intall the base OS it comes up with an error |
| 20:08.13 | Howie69 | what processor is the server? |
| 20:08.20 | Burns | i7 930 |
| 20:08.23 | jordanm | Burns: what version of debian are you attempting to install? |
| 20:08.30 | Howie69 | that was my next question |
| 20:08.34 | jordanm | Burns: and just to be clear, you have amd64 NOT ia64? |
| 20:08.46 | stew | Burns: bad hardware (bad memory, bad motherboard, etc), overheating |
| 20:09.03 | stew | if it was the wrong arch, he'd not get so far as formatting |
| 20:09.06 | jordanm | although, I would expect it not even boot if oyu had ia64 |
| 20:09.09 | stew | right |
| 20:09.10 | jordanm | yeah... |
| 20:09.13 | stew | yeah |
| 20:09.15 | Burns | Lenny |
| 20:10.08 | Burns | and the hardware is new :/ |
| 20:10.28 | jkazana | bad media? |
| 20:10.30 | Howie69 | an i7 930 is a 64 bit intel proc? |
| 20:10.40 | Burns | amd64 arch |
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| 20:10.49 | jordanm | Howie69: yes |
| 20:10.55 | tarzeau | damn why does debian keep breaking my Xorg - keyboard doesn't work again! |
| 20:11.08 | Burns | amd64 arch should be fine for this cpu? |
| 20:11.11 | tarzeau | sid is driving me nuts. wtf do they change EVERYTHING? |
| 20:11.43 | tarzeau | how do i get my freaking ps/2 keyboard to work again in X? |
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| 20:12.06 | Burns | amd64 or ia64 |
| 20:12.58 | vyi | where can i find rndc.conf? if its not in /etc |
| 20:13.25 | tarzeau | vyi: bind*/ maybe? |
| 20:13.48 | vyi | tarzeau: its not there |
| 20:14.06 | tarzeau | vyi: did you run find /etc -name rndc.conf ? |
| 20:14.21 | tarzeau | i'm pissed off that my keyboard doesn't work in xorg! |
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| 20:14.37 | tarzeau | !hal |
| 20:14.38 | dpkg | HAL (Hardware Abstraction Layer) is <freedesktop.org> project, which gives desktop software a programmatic way to examine present hardware and be notified of its changes. http://wiki.debian.org/hal http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/InputHotplugGuide http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/HalFAQ http://hal.freedesktop.org/ #hal on irc.freenode.net. Deprecated, see <devicekit> and http://wiki.debian.org/HALRemoval |
| 20:14.55 | tarzeau | ah i probably want to do the HALRemoval stuff |
| 20:15.19 | vyi | tarzeau: yes and its not available iam trying like the 3rd howto to make bind9 work and chrooted and none talks about configuring rndc.. and i dont even have a .conf file |
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| 20:15.46 | tarzeau | vyi: hehe, maybe you just CREATE one? |
| 20:16.01 | Burns | Sorry didnt read, since I have the right arch, what can cause that error |
| 20:16.05 | Burns | From where to start checking ? |
| 20:17.26 | tarzeau | !x keyboard |
| 20:17.55 | qq- | tarzeau, see #debian-x on oftc |
| 20:18.07 | vyi | tarzeau: i tried with option options {default-server localhost; default-key /chroot/named/etc/rndc.key; }; and it still doesnt work |
| 20:18.12 | Burns | :/ |
| 20:18.33 | vyi | tarzeau: rndc: connection to remote host closed |
| 20:19.04 | thewanderer1 | Burns: check what is segfaulting - if it's a kernel oops, you may need a newer kernel... |
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| 20:19.30 | jhutchins_lt | metaphys: Did you have a question about nagios? |
| 20:20.07 | thewanderer1 | Burns: besides that, a wrongly prepared installation medium is often the culprit, so verify your CD's (pendrive's?) checksum |
| 20:20.40 | Burns | odd that 32bit works fine thoug |
| 20:20.45 | Burns | though* |
| 20:20.54 | thewanderer1 | Burns: then it's very probable that you have a medium problem |
| 20:20.58 | Burns | It's a network install the-dude |
| 20:21.01 | Burns | thewanderer1* |
| 20:21.06 | thewanderer1 | over PXE? |
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| 20:21.19 | Burns | yes |
| 20:21.25 | thewanderer1 | well, proper i7 support has been added just recently |
| 20:21.43 | Burns | So what do you suggest ? |
| 20:21.48 | thewanderer1 | perhaps they are composed of hacks that are required to be reproduced on the operating system to work, so... |
| 20:21.52 | thewanderer1 | check with the new kernel |
| 20:22.03 | thewanderer1 | either that, or install manually so that you have greater control |
| 20:23.00 | Burns | we are installing from debian.org, would assume it would already be the latest kernel |
| 20:23.10 | Burns | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:23.47 | Burns | will tell whats segfaulting in a few mins, just waiting for it to format now |
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| 20:29.10 | planet8 | Would someone running the reiserfs mind copy paste the entry in fstab? |
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| 20:30.59 | DDRP | I was running it, until I realised what a serious design problem it had =P |
| 20:31.06 | Burns | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:31.32 | Burns | will try install that |
| 20:32.02 | DDRP | Hans is in prison right now, for crimes against computer science |
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| 20:33.23 | wcs | But ReiserFS is still in develop! |
| 20:34.03 | b11d` | he should update his code via letters written from prison |
| 20:34.11 | thewanderer1 | Burns: you should try squeeze first, sid is for people who like incendiary charges |
| 20:34.15 | wcs | hahaha |
| 20:34.45 | wcs | his company is still working in raiserfs |
| 20:34.53 | DDRP | yeah, patchsets =D but really... but I think you mean Reiser4 by the way, not ResierFS... ReiserFS is considered 'done' afaik# |
| 20:35.01 | b11d` | aye |
| 20:35.10 | DDRP | Reiser4 is not a minor update to ReiserFS |
| 20:35.48 | wcs | Burns: Im over squeeze, I try sid and, trust me, sometimes do some strange things |
| 20:36.33 | thewanderer1 | yeah... |
| 20:36.35 | DDRP | I don't see why he can't code from prison tbh... the code is hardly a risk to the public... and otherwise, it's kind of a waste of a life.... what he did wasn't pre-meditated... he should be allowed to release code for a non-profit basis without a direct internet connection IMO |
| 20:36.56 | Burns | hmm, this appears to be working, got further than last attempt on lenny |
| 20:37.08 | thewanderer1 | Burns: what, squeeze or sid? |
| 20:37.11 | Burns | sid |
| 20:37.18 | thewanderer1 | I really do not know where you got a sid installer |
| 20:37.20 | Burns | What do you suggest for a webserver squeeze or sid ? |
| 20:37.24 | thewanderer1 | squeeze. |
| 20:37.25 | Howie69 | Well, I have asked on the grub channel, guess I'll ask here |
| 20:37.27 | thewanderer1 | or better yet |
| 20:37.33 | Howie69 | I am still running a production server on Lenny |
| 20:37.34 | jordanm | Burns: lenny |
| 20:37.39 | thewanderer1 | run lenny with backports if you can |
| 20:37.40 | Howie69 | I did an update and updated the kernel image |
| 20:37.40 | stew | Burns: lenny |
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| 20:37.46 | Howie69 | then my system was unbootable |
| 20:37.50 | Howie69 | it seems it configured grub wrong |
| 20:37.52 | Burns | I can't manage to get lenny to work jordanm |
| 20:37.53 | Howie69 | so, I did it by hand |
| 20:37.56 | wcs | at modern time, is imposible to do collaborative work (coding, for exemple) without a inet conexion! |
| 20:38.01 | Howie69 | I see 19:53 vmlinuz -> vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 20:38.04 | Howie69 | in /boot |
| 20:38.15 | thewanderer1 | wcs: it is, you just have to build a LAN and invite ppl over |
| 20:38.16 | stew | Burns: then i'd not expect squeeze or sid to work either |
| 20:38.17 | Howie69 | but I do a grub-install /dev/sda |
| 20:38.24 | Burns | sid works |
| 20:38.28 | Burns | 2-3 mins left |
| 20:38.28 | Howie69 | I see the new menu showing kernel 2.6.26 |
| 20:38.30 | thewanderer1 | stew: he's on Core i7 and the new kernels work better |
| 20:38.37 | Howie69 | but when I select it, it boots 2.6.18 |
| 20:38.46 | wcs | of corse, but lan is network |
| 20:38.50 | jordanm | Burns: try the kmuto installer if a newer kernel is what is needed |
| 20:38.56 | thewanderer1 | wcs: yes, but not an internetwork :P |
| 20:38.58 | Burns | I can switching to lenny by keeping the kernel thewanderer1 ? |
| 20:39.00 | Howie69 | I change the grub entry to point directly to the 2.6.26 image, and grub tells me 'file not found' |
| 20:39.02 | jordanm | !tell Burns about kmuto |
| 20:39.13 | stew | Burns: switch to lenny from what? |
| 20:39.17 | Howie69 | any ideas why it can't see my /boot directory correctly |
| 20:39.22 | Howie69 | btw, it's a soft raid, on md0 |
| 20:39.26 | jordanm | Howie69: grub-install is not what you wanted, you want update-grub. this writes menu.lst |
| 20:39.39 | Burns | jordanm I can't get to finish the installation with lenny |
| 20:39.45 | thewanderer1 | Burns: I'd follow jordanm's advice rather than installing sid... oh, and it's not possible to switch to lenny once you have installed |
| 20:39.49 | Howie69 | jordanm: update-grub writes a menu.lst using md0 as the boot device |
| 20:39.50 | jordanm | Burns: did you try the kmuto installer as I just suggested? |
| 20:39.51 | Howie69 | which doesn't work |
| 20:39.52 | thewanderer1 | kmuto installers should be fine, newer kernel |
| 20:39.52 | Burns | ok |
| 20:39.55 | Howie69 | I have to change it to HD0,0 |
| 20:39.57 | stew | Burns: how thoroughly have you tested the system running sid? |
| 20:40.00 | wcs | think you are in siberia, no network, and you have to do some colaborative work |
| 20:40.19 | thewanderer1 | wcs: I'd wire up some... |
| 20:40.20 | wcs | be in jail looks like that :P |
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| 20:40.30 | Burns | Well it didnt stop in mid of installation like lenny, thats all stew |
| 20:40.37 | Howie69 | when I get it working, I want to be able to chainload grub2 to set that up to get rid of this insanity anyway :) |
| 20:40.38 | jordanm | Howie69: if you hand-edit the wrong sections of menu.lst, update-grub won't touch it. this causes problems when its time to upgrade kernels |
| 20:40.40 | thewanderer1 | wcs: failing that, a campfire and a pile of sheets of paper should be ok |
| 20:40.48 | thewanderer1 | oh, and marshmallows |
| 20:40.52 | Burns | I will try kumto first, thanks for the suggestion jordanm |
| 20:40.54 | Burns | Will let you know |
| 20:40.59 | jordanm | Howie69: grub2 adds the insanity... |
| 20:41.06 | Howie69 | jordanm: dpkg-reconfigure grub-legbacy? |
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| 20:41.17 | Howie69 | to get rid of any hand-edited stuff? |
| 20:41.17 | jordanm | Howie69: I thought you said you were running lenny? |
| 20:41.21 | Howie69 | I am running lenny |
| 20:41.26 | wcs | send all the code printed on a super big letter! :P |
| 20:41.27 | LinuxGuy2009 | I was wondering even with Debian-Multimedia and the 'faac' package installed, how would I go about encoding CDs to AAC and also transfering them to my iPod? |
| 20:41.28 | wcs | jajaja |
| 20:41.55 | jordanm | Howie69: its not called grub-legacy until squeeze, and moving menu.lst to a different location should cause it to be generate from scatch |
| 20:42.21 | Howie69 | jordanm: The package grub installs grub-legacy :) |
| 20:42.34 | wcs | specialy the marshmallows! |
| 20:42.35 | jordanm | Howie69: you run squeeze |
| 20:42.36 | wcs | hahha |
| 20:42.37 | Howie69 | works either way :) |
| 20:42.40 | Howie69 | 5.06 |
| 20:42.41 | Burns | sid works it appears |
| 20:42.47 | jordanm | ,versions grub-legacy |
| 20:42.49 | judd | grub-legacy -- sid: 0.97-63; squeeze: 0.97-63 |
| 20:42.57 | jordanm | Howie69: show the output of "apt-cache policy" |
| 20:43.06 | DDRP | wcs: When I was in prison, I wrote lots of programs on paper |
| 20:43.27 | wcs | what kind of programs? |
| 20:43.45 | DDRP | Mainly administrative/maintenance scripts |
| 20:44.09 | vyi | can u link any upto date bindchroot howto with rndc explained? |
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| 20:44.36 | Howie69 | jordanm: is it ok to post that here? |
| 20:44.39 | jordanm | vyi: you should try reading the real documentation instead of trying various howtos |
| 20:44.39 | DDRP | It wasn't really prison, it was a mentalist asylum ;) but it was still pretty crap |
| 20:44.41 | Howie69 | or pastebin it? |
| 20:44.45 | jordanm | Howie69: use a pastebin please |
| 20:45.07 | jordanm | Howie69: also, apt-cache policy grub |
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| 20:45.29 | wcs | well, now think do the same kind of stuffs, but 100 times bigger! |
| 20:45.43 | Burns | which iso shall i use jordanm |
| 20:46.10 | wcs | a FS is not easy work, is extremly complex |
| 20:46.11 | DDRP | Main problem with offline programming is unit testing I suppose |
| 20:46.12 | Burns | with kernel version 2.6.32 ? |
| 20:46.15 | jordanm | Burns: lenny-custom-0116.iso |
| 20:46.39 | Burns | Okay, thanks jordanm |
| 20:46.42 | Howie69 | jordanm: http://pastebin.com/Xcbec3hH |
| 20:46.44 | Howie69 | and... |
| 20:47.35 | Howie69 | jordanm: http://pastebin.com/45HWFvYU |
| 20:47.36 | wcs | aham |
| 20:47.54 | wcs | maybe the merge and thinks like that |
| 20:48.02 | DDRP | Hans should be in solidary confinement, with a computer |
| 20:48.15 | jordanm | Howie69: and where did you see the grub package installing grub-legacy (which doesn't exist in your release)? |
| 20:48.19 | wcs | how you can merge your work with the main line... |
| 20:48.19 | Burns | still need to do a PXE boot |
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| 20:48.34 | Howie69 | jordanm: Probably in one of the millions of things i read about grub |
| 20:48.34 | bronaugh | hey; what's the story on 389 directory server on debian? |
| 20:48.36 | Burns | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:48.52 | Howie69 | It's been a long few days :) |
| 20:49.00 | DDRP | Occasionally patchsets released I suppose... yeah, he might have to do it alone |
| 20:49.03 | jordanm | Howie69: in this case, its not true, and added confusion to the problem |
| 20:49.06 | wcs | Burns: squeeze still has a PXE based kernel in the repo.... |
| 20:49.07 | bronaugh | can't find much in the way of info there. |
| 20:49.34 | jordanm | Howie69: move menu.lst to a new location, run update-grub, and pastebin menu.lst |
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| 20:50.18 | cbrinke1 | Can anyone tell me what the "drops" column in cat /proc/net/udp is measured in bytes vs packets? |
| 20:50.26 | Burns | i'm tryin to get kmuto but the installer wont let me select a custom mirror with that iso |
| 20:50.38 | cbrinke1 | The man page does not say, and google is not helping me out here :) |
| 20:51.17 | cbrinke1 | I see the patch included the following comment in the code "@sk_drops: raw/udp drops counter" but "raw" is ambiguous |
| 20:51.19 | DDRP | You can't drop a byte, you can only drop a packet |
| 20:51.42 | cbrinke1 | true, but is this recording the size of the packet (in bytes) ? |
| 20:51.45 | DDRP | If a packet isn't complete, it will be dropped |
| 20:51.45 | jordanm | cbrinke1: no "drops" column here, and its not in man proc |
| 20:51.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | do you know if there's a way to make firefox spellchecker underlining more visible? |
| 20:52.19 | jordanm | sl local_address rem_address st tx_queue rx_queue tr tm->when retrnsmt uid timeout inode |
| 20:52.27 | Burns | jordanm |
| 20:52.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | jordanm, what kernel? |
| 20:52.37 | b11d` | Go to about:config and create a new integer item named ui.SpellCheckerUnderlineStyle |
| 20:52.37 | b11d` | Set the value to 1 |
| 20:52.37 | b11d` | wow |
| 20:52.40 | b11d` | sorry |
| 20:52.41 | Burns | i'm tryin to get kmuto but the installer wont let me select a custom mirror with that iso with PXE boot |
| 20:52.44 | jordanm | CutMeOwnThroat: .26-bigmem |
| 20:53.06 | Howie69 | jordanm: pastebin.com/Z72Y6GQ6 |
| 20:53.12 | jordanm | Burns: why is that? |
| 20:53.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | 2.6.32-bpo-2-686-bigmem, has it |
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| 20:53.29 | Burns | no idea |
| 20:53.29 | jelly-hme | CutMeOwnThroat: bpo.5, you mean? |
| 20:53.30 | b11d` | that should do it CutMeOwnThroat |
| 20:53.35 | Burns | idk why it doesnt let me |
| 20:53.37 | Howie69 | jordanm: it sets the root to md0 |
| 20:53.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | 2.6.32-bpo.2-686-bigmem |
| 20:53.51 | jelly-hme | CutMeOwnThroat: that's outdated! :-) |
| 20:53.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-hme, no ... bit back |
| 20:54.03 | jordanm | Howie69: looks like there are files in /boot that shouldn't be there |
| 20:54.08 | Burns | asically when i start to install from the custom one, it wont let me choose where to download the files from, it will only let me choose the default mirrors that don't have the custom kerne |
| 20:54.09 | jordanm | Howie69: lets see ls -al /boot |
| 20:54.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-hme, I'm not a fan of booting often - and less so since I'm a couple of thousand miles away :) |
| 20:54.46 | jordanm | Burns: the kmuto installer will install its own kernel, no need to worry about that |
| 20:55.01 | Howie69 | jordanm: http://pastebin.com/YDDiai1K |
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| 20:56.04 | Burns | jordanm we aren't using the ISO file, just the netboot they provide |
| 20:56.19 | bronaugh | 389 directory server, anyone? |
| 20:56.25 | jordanm | Howie69: remove the symlinks |
| 20:56.48 | jordanm | Howie69: edit groot= in menu.lst *don't uncomment*, then run update-grub again |
| 20:57.02 | vyi | jordanm: ye probably.. been trying with this since 5pm |
| 20:57.19 | jelly-hme | CutMeOwnThroat: you... are... VULNERABLE!!!1one |
| 20:57.43 | jordanm | Burns: you might have to do something with preseeding |
| 20:57.56 | Howie69 | jordanm: hd0,0? |
| 20:58.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-hme, what for? |
| 20:58.15 | jordanm | Burns: actually, it should work out |
| 20:58.21 | jordanm | Howie69: if that is correct, yes |
| 20:58.22 | thewanderer1 | bronaugh: openldap in squeeze is fast enough for me - it contains many optimizations compared to the one in lenny |
| 20:58.23 | DDRP | Yeah seriously... where I work we have been seeing huge amounts of sshd dodginess recently... with trojan sshds appearing and capturing passwords.... make sure your kernels are up to date |
| 20:58.31 | Howie69 | jordanm: ok |
| 20:58.34 | Howie69 | that looks better |
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| 20:58.39 | bronaugh | thewanderer1: eh, multi-master replication is useful. |
| 20:58.56 | bronaugh | thewanderer1: but just for the sake of the argument, how much of a ho is openldap to set up? |
| 20:59.39 | Burns | !tell Burns about preseeding |
| 20:59.42 | thewanderer1 | bronaugh: it's not difficult, just... ugly. think of mud... much mud, layered on top of rusty yet renewed code... |
| 21:00.08 | Howie69 | jordanm: http://pastebin.com/TdTG87sT <-- New kernel list in menu.lst |
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| 21:00.44 | jordanm | Howie69: looks fine to me, aside from what appears to be an ancient ubuntu kernel. does it work? |
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| 21:01.00 | Howie69 | jordanm: let me reboot into it |
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| 21:01.36 | Burns | when we do a network/PXE install we only download the initrd.gz and linux files to our tftpserver. this then, when loaded, starts the installer as normal and it then downloads the rest over the net. in this case we can't choose a custom mirror to use this custom kernel |
| 21:01.37 | thewanderer1 | if I could, I'd be using something else than openldap for the sake of manageability, but at least it seems to be supported and work quite fast... yet the config files (now, schema files instead) make me want to see my breakfast again |
| 21:01.39 | Howie69 | jordanm: Dunno how that ancient ubuntu got in there :) I think I tested it early, then went back to Debian |
| 21:02.06 | thewanderer1 | Burns: boot that with expert option or sth |
| 21:02.09 | Burns | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:02.41 | Howie69 | jordanm: does not work |
| 21:02.51 | Howie69 | jordanm: error 15: File not found |
| 21:03.26 | Howie69 | jordanm: 2.6.18 will still boot |
| 21:03.50 | bronaugh | ok, so obviously openldap is a nightmare. |
| 21:03.54 | bronaugh | so back to 389 directory server. |
| 21:04.59 | Burns | ok squeeze is installed |
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| 21:07.45 | Howie69 | jordanm: any other ideas? |
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| 21:10.21 | Howie69 | I mean the file IS there |
| 21:10.42 | Burns | Ok, I have multiple IPs how can I add them in the same machine |
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| 21:11.30 | DDRP | Has anyone seen any compromises where the attacker writes all ssh login attempts to /usr/games/.blane? |
| 21:11.36 | DDRP | I can't find anything on g00gle about it |
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| 21:12.24 | bronaugh | could just be a random word from a list. |
| 21:12.29 | bronaugh | (ie: blane) |
| 21:13.14 | DDRP | They install a fake sshd server in /usr/local/... obviously no proper Debian package will be installed under the local hierarchy |
| 21:13.36 | DDRP | all servers we looked at had the word blane in common where the login attempts were stored |
| 21:14.06 | bronaugh | huh. |
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| 21:15.23 | DDRP | 0.o |
| 21:18.10 | Howie69 | any ideas at ALL as to why my server will not boot into that new kernel? |
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| 21:18.16 | lenswipe|debian | hi guys |
| 21:18.20 | lenswipe|debian | is mythtv supported in debian? |
| 21:18.29 | Howie69 | lenswipe|debian: I've done it before |
| 21:18.36 | lenswipe|debian | okay |
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| 21:18.42 | lenswipe|debian | let me rephase that |
| 21:18.52 | lenswipe|debian | is it possible without having to build from source? |
| 21:18.55 | lenswipe|debian | i dont see it in the repos |
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| 21:19.19 | Howie69 | I think there is a package, but you have to get it from the mythtv site and use dpkg to install it |
| 21:19.28 | Howie69 | They might even have their own respository for it |
| 21:19.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | DDRP, well, google delivers one hit... |
| 21:20.11 | lenswipe|debian | i can only find the tarball on the myth tv site |
| 21:20.19 | DDRP | o rly? I didn't find anything useful yet.... do you mind /msg'ing me what you found? |
| 21:20.23 | Howie69 | http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ |
| 21:20.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell lenswipe|debian -about mythtv |
| 21:20.48 | Howie69 | lenswipe|debian: That one has the apt package on it |
| 21:20.50 | Kurogane | Any1 knows how i can send in txt the top details ? |
| 21:21.04 | lenswipe|debian | CutMeOwnThroat, why are you telling me that? i know what mythtv does |
| 21:21.10 | lenswipe|debian | Howie69, no it says its the source tarball |
| 21:21.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | DDRP, it's just some directory listing... nothing useful http://www.google.com/search?q=%22/usr/games/.blane%22 |
| 21:21.21 | lenswipe|debian | Howie69, http://www.mythtv.org/download |
| 21:21.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | lenswipe|debian, read all of it? |
| 21:21.27 | lenswipe|debian | CutMeOwnThroat, i did |
| 21:21.45 | lenswipe|debian | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:21.47 | DDRP | CutMeOwnThroat: Thanks very much |
| 21:21.50 | lenswipe|debian | ....which is where? |
| 21:21.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | lenswipe|debian, then why didn't you see that it tells you why it's not in debian proper and that there are indeed packages in debian multimedia? |
| 21:22.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | lenswipe|debian, /msg dpkg debian-multimedia |
| 21:22.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | lenswipe|debian, the <> around a word usually mean there's another factoid for that word |
| 21:23.11 | Howie69 | lenswipe|debian: the bottom of the debian-multimedia page tells you how to add the repositories |
| 21:23.25 | lenswipe|debian | ok |
| 21:23.35 | Howie69 | in red boxes :) |
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| 21:24.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | DDRP, doh, two new hits from a pastebin turned up while we were talking about it... |
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| 21:25.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | DDRP, and it seems to show the scripts that create/use that file? |
| 21:25.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | DDRP, if I was a person to say "lol", I think this would be the moment for it |
| 21:26.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | DDRP, mind, that while the pastebin is gone, you can see the result in the google cache... |
| 21:26.23 | Howie69 | jordanm: there must have been someting wrong with that kernel package |
| 21:26.39 | Howie69 | jordanm: I used lenny-backports and installed the latest kernel there, and grub booted it just fine |
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| 21:27.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | DDRP, you might want to contact friedsocialworker.com and ask them about it :) |
| 21:28.27 | bmoloney | Hello, my debian virtual machine seems to not be setting the hostname in my campus DNS. When I do a reverse lookup I see it is assigned the name of an old virtual machine (even though the command 'hostname' shows the correct name). Any ideas? |
| 21:29.07 | DDRP | hmm.. odd. as that directory listing you found seemed to suggest it was old |
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| 21:32.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | DDRP, you see the content of the pastebin? |
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| 21:33.08 | DDRP | Negatory =\ |
| 21:34.36 | vyi | whats the package for openssl library? |
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| 21:34.39 | bmoloney | ahh, I needed 'send host-name myhostname;' in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf... seems like that should be there by default |
| 21:35.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | DDRP, http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:bsPspluMOjoJ:gradwell.pastebin.com/vnDJR40X+%22/usr/games/.blane%22&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us |
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| 21:35.41 | liran | which package contains the parallel application ? |
| 21:36.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | what parallel application |
| 21:36.14 | DDRP | Cheers, I don't know why Google is messing me around... maybe it thinks because I am in the UK the content isn't relevant to me or some nonsense |
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| 21:36.32 | liran | CutMeOwnThroat the command parallel |
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| 21:36.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | DDRP, I didn't get the result the first time, only the listing... dunno I thought it was freshly indexed... but perhaps not |
| 21:37.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | !apt-file |
| 21:37.31 | dpkg | i guess apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file or list files in a package even if it's not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regexp; see man apt-file). You can also search online; ask me about <pdo> <auto-apt> <dlocate> |
| 21:37.37 | DDRP | ha.... I've just realised this link is a pastebin of another employee at the same company as me ... dagnabbit |
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| 21:38.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | liran, ^^^^^ search for bin/parallel with apt-file - that gives you three packages (I gusss moreutils is what you're looking for) |
| 21:38.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | DDRP, oh, ok |
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| 21:41.38 | DDRP | Fuck me, he has the audacity to mail himself the passwords to friedsocialworkers.com is plain view >=| |
| 21:42.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | DDRP, but that's probably another cracked machine |
| 21:43.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | you might want to contact them... by phone |
| 21:43.45 | DDRP | Yeah... thanks very much for that |
| 21:44.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | it'll probably be a cacked machine he contacts through another cracked machine... |
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| 21:45.16 | DDRP | Yeah... I'm sure... although sometimes these kids aren't as clever as we give them credit for... some of them are arrogant enough to think none of this will ever be seen |
| 21:45.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway, if he's got root there, he can make sure there's no logs... |
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| 21:45.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah... possible |
| 21:46.00 | DDRP | Remote syslogs servers ftw ... I keep telling them at work that's what we need |
| 21:46.11 | liran | anyone knows which package contains the command parallel ? |
| 21:46.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | I was just thinking how I'd do it... and I'd want some distance between me |
| 21:46.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | liran, I told you how to find that yourself, I also told you the name of the package |
| 21:46.55 | liran | CutMeOwnThroat it;s not moreutils |
| 21:47.03 | liran | and i dont have apt-file command |
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| 21:47.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | !installit |
| 21:47.11 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
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| 21:47.18 | Techtronic | liran: 'moreutils' |
| 21:47.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | the apt-file factoid actually already told you how to install it |
| 21:47.31 | DDRP | Cut: I tend to think of the forest/trees scenario... sometimes you think you're being do damned clever, you forget the obvious |
| 21:47.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | Techtronic, I told him that! |
| 21:47.54 | DDRP | so/do/so/ |
| 21:48.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | DDRP, hehe... might be - also, you have to connect to the internet _somewhere_ and every step is traceable... |
| 21:48.40 | liran | !search |
| 21:48.40 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. |
| 21:48.47 | liran | !search parallel |
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| 21:49.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | the factoid told you how to install/use apt-file: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename |
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| 21:50.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | and the "parallel" in moreutils is the only program with this exact name |
| 21:50.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's some parallell-xx in pssh |
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| 21:51.33 | Burns | Can we downgrade from squeeze to lenny? |
| 21:52.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | !downgrade |
| 21:52.13 | dpkg | [downgrade] Downgrading is not possible with apt-get/aptitude and no future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
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| 21:53.12 | Burns | crap |
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| 21:54.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... there is one... "backups" |
| 21:55.24 | DDRP | This is where Puppet holds its own >B) |
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| 21:57.03 | babilen | Burns: Anything in particular you have a problem with? |
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| 22:01.15 | mjmt | Can the installer from Nvidia make .debs? |
| 22:01.41 | jordanm | !nvidia |
| 22:01.41 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 22:01.51 | babilen | mjmt: No idea, but what is wrong with The Debian Way⢠^^^^ ? |
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| 22:02.16 | mjmt | I use nvidia-kernel-dkms, but I'm a little irked that its a version that predates my video card. |
| 22:03.15 | jelly-hme | ,versions nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 22:03.18 | judd | nvidia-kernel-dkms -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.24-4; sid/non-free: 195.36.31-3 |
| 22:03.26 | jelly-hme | hah, no 256.stuff? |
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| 22:03.33 | mjmt | jelly-hme: No. :\ |
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| 22:04.08 | jelly-hme | good thing I don't have a nvidia card yet |
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| 22:05.21 | bronaugh | why does debian keep shipping a crusty nVidia driver anyways? |
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| 22:06.01 | jordanm | !tell bronaugh about stable |
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| 22:06.44 | bronaugh | !tell jordanm about sid |
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| 22:07.20 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | why can't nvidia / ati opensource their driver i don't understand. Broadcom did a good thing |
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| 22:07.41 | mjmt | bronaugh: Not sure, but I think they're having trouble compiling against Debian's crusty kernel versions. ;) |
| 22:07.44 | jordanm | sh4d3sl4y3r_: they legally can't because of code that is not licensed by them |
| 22:07.52 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | hmm |
| 22:08.19 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i just need non-free for two things.. Nvidia .. Flash |
| 22:08.22 | jordanm | there was an interview with the lead dev for the nvidia linux drivers about a year back that discussed the topic. try searching slashdot for it if you are interested |
| 22:08.24 | unkmar | ts_calibrate does not see my touchscreen. |
| 22:08.25 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | gnash is still not usable with youtube |
| 22:08.38 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | ok i wil do |
| 22:08.48 | jordanm | sh4d3sl4y3r_: the newest version advertises 100% youtube support |
| 22:08.56 | bronaugh | jordanm: for about a week. |
| 22:09.04 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | but when i installed it showed "an error occured" |
| 22:09.06 | bronaugh | gnash worked with youtube -- and then ceased to. |
| 22:09.07 | Burns | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:09.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell bronaugh -about freeze |
| 22:09.17 | Burns | I'm still getting this error even in squeeze |
| 22:09.20 | Burns | so its not kernel issue huh |
| 22:09.34 | babilen | jordanm: Just tried it -- First impressions are so-so ... |
| 22:09.41 | jordanm | Burns: back to hardware problems |
| 22:09.45 | jordanm | babilen: gnash? |
| 22:09.50 | babilen | yeah |
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| 22:10.00 | dondelelcaro | Burns: dpkg shouldn't be segfaulting. Show us the full output if you would |
| 22:10.05 | babilen | Tried it after the post on p.d.n |
| 22:10.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | bronaugh, right now (but not for such a long time), sid doesn't get as many updates as usual to not block the way for bugfixes |
| 22:10.15 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | babilen : how do you bypass the "an error occured" issue inside youtube? |
| 22:10.17 | dondelelcaro | works fine for me with youtube |
| 22:10.20 | jordanm | dondelelcaro: he was getting it from the installer as well |
| 22:10.31 | remur_030 | hello, my harddrive just crashed but I am still on the system with ssh, is there a place in /sys or /proc (kernel fs) where I can try to get the latest dmesg? |
| 22:10.35 | unkmar | how am I to calibrate the touchscreen? ts_calibrate gives "ts_open: No such file or directory" |
| 22:10.51 | babilen | sh4d3sl4y3r_: I don't, hence my "It works sometimed -- reloading helps. I will investigate that later, but just wanted to give it a try ... |
| 22:11.02 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | ok |
| 22:11.07 | unkmar | the touchscreen works and it is about 20-50 pixels off at the edges. |
| 22:11.30 | Burns | http://pastebin.ca/1941700 |
| 22:11.40 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | when will the new open source broadcom b43 driver shift to main ? any ideas? |
| 22:11.41 | jordanm | remur_030: /proc/kmsg but you can't just "cat" it |
| 22:11.52 | jordanm | remur_030: typically you read its contents using the dmesg command |
| 22:11.53 | bint | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:12.05 | mjmt | bint: lol |
| 22:12.17 | remur_030 | jordanm: dmesg isn't available anymore =( |
| 22:12.32 | bronaugh | CutMeOwnThroat: ok. |
| 22:12.46 | Burns | i think may be an issue with the bios trying to auto configure/clock the memory |
| 22:13.39 | remur_030 | syslog spammed kernel:[212675.442839] journal commit I/O error into the console twice, now that's it =( |
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| 22:18.06 | versuchsanstalt | does a successful fdisk run on a partition prove that the partition table is ok? or is it possible to fark up a partition table so that i can still access (parts?) of the fs, format another partition on the same disk and make the partition in question inaccessible? background: moved a partition with gparted and managed to interrupt the process using a light switch, a lamp and a fuse. gparted copied lots of data two times, i int |
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| 22:20.03 | jelly-hme | versuchsanstalt: gparted copied lots of data two times, i in[cut off] |
| 22:20.55 | versuchsanstalt | gparted copied lots of data two times, i interrupted the second one of these copy jobs. |
| 22:21.02 | versuchsanstalt | jelly-hme: thank you |
| 22:21.23 | jelly-hme | versuchsanstalt: did the old and new partitions overlap? |
| 22:21.45 | versuchsanstalt | lemme think |
| 22:21.57 | jelly-hme | ie. did you copy or move data around? |
| 22:22.25 | jelly-hme | if you moved, and if they did overlap, it's possible there is no consistent copy now |
| 22:23.00 | jelly-hme | a smart partition editor would save checkpoints and allow resuming; I don't know if gparted is that smart |
| 22:23.24 | versuchsanstalt | jelly-hme: i shrinked a partition from the beginning, freeing a bit of space before the shrunk partition. |
| 22:23.30 | e-dub | allready joined to #shellium but thnx anyway |
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| 22:24.48 | versuchsanstalt | jelly-hme: i am still trying to get my head around why that would copy data twice... |
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| 22:26.49 | jelly-hme | versuchsanstalt: if there's enough free space on the disk, it could make a complete copy before it starts overwriting the original place. Just a guess |
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| 22:28.46 | e-dub | hey peeps |
| 22:29.37 | Lns | woooo!! New native 64-bit Linux flash "preview" plugin from adobe: http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html |
| 22:30.34 | e-dub | congrats |
| 22:30.39 | zinx | Lns: yay i can make my Linux desktop insecure again! |
| 22:30.48 | Lns | zinx: =p |
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| 22:31.03 | Lns | hey it's a small price to pay for online PORN, right?? ;) |
| 22:31.04 | e-dub | haha |
| 22:31.20 | e-dub | !!! |
| 22:31.20 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 22:31.29 | e-dub | thats what i say |
| 22:31.38 | versuchsanstalt | jelly-hme: from looking at the layout that gparted displays now, i would think so: http://tede-sign.de/bweb/Bildschirmfoto5.png |
| 22:32.01 | Lns | at least they're "supporting" it again. I could not, for the life of me, get 32-bit flash to work with nspluginwrapper/pulseaudio/ltsp clients, with sound. |
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| 22:33.09 | Lns | bugged the crap outta me. And yeah, I know flash is horrible, insecure, bloated and proprietary. But unfortunately it is terribly convinient to have in your web browser (ask apple for instance). |
| 22:33.31 | noesc | Is sysctl the preferred way of setting kernel options? |
| 22:33.47 | dondelelcaro | noesc: those that get set in /proc/sys, sure |
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| 22:34.54 | jelly-hme | versuchsanstalt: well, you can always restore from a backup |
| 22:35.06 | jelly-hme | "what backup," he said |
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| 22:35.50 | noesc | x |
| 22:36.52 | noesc | ups, wrong button.. dondelelcaro : is it better then using "echo 'value' > /proc/sys/.../" |
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| 22:37.04 | lenswipe|ill | hey guys |
| 22:37.17 | lenswipe|ill | im trying to use mythtv and everything is tiny |
| 22:37.20 | lenswipe|ill | i cant read any of the fonts |
| 22:37.21 | lenswipe|ill | can someone help? |
| 22:37.29 | versuchsanstalt | jelly-hme: i have a couple of disks in the drawer, and another drawer at my friends house, that's not the issue. each of the copying jobs took some two hours or so, that's more what i'm thinking of. i'd love to have somebody tell me "use program bla to check the partition table, check the partitions using fdisk after that, and you should be safe"... |
| 22:37.43 | versuchsanstalt | jelly-hme: but anyway, thank you for your thoughts |
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| 22:38.04 | versuchsanstalt | jelly-hme: encouraged me to play safe |
| 22:38.33 | jelly-hme | versuchsanstalt: well. fsck will show the _metadata_ of a filesystem is correct |
| 22:38.43 | jelly-hme | not the data! |
| 22:38.58 | versuchsanstalt | jup. |
| 22:39.56 | versuchsanstalt | hrm. ok, i'll listen to a few years of mp3 then, look at a few thousand digital photographs and 20.000 scans of paperwork... ARGH. |
| 22:41.23 | versuchsanstalt | so its the drawer full of disks then. |
| 22:41.52 | versuchsanstalt | they should all be conveniently labeled |
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| 22:42.50 | lenswipe|ill | can someone help me with mythtv? |
| 22:42.54 | lenswipe|ill | i need a debian package |
| 22:43.30 | versuchsanstalt | this machine will love me long time tonite. and i will never touch a light switch when doing anything with filesystems again. did i say that? never. |
| 22:45.04 | jelly-home | versuchsanstalt: buy an UPS. |
| 22:46.24 | lenswipe|ill | anyone? |
| 22:46.31 | lenswipe|ill | jelly-home, do you have any suggestions? |
| 22:46.47 | lenswipe|ill | im trying to set mythtv up and the fonts are so small as to be unreadable |
| 22:47.15 | versuchsanstalt | jelly-home: good idea. but for a machine that is actually the tv, music and photo box... i just found the 20.000 scans of paperwork on two other machines. the rest is not too important and backed up anyway. |
| 22:47.49 | jelly-home | lenswipe|ill: I have no suggestions. If I can be rude... if I had suggestions I would have written them. Don't highlight me in specific unless it's about a previous discussion of ours. |
| 22:47.54 | versuchsanstalt | jelly-home: but yeah, ups for the work machine maybe. good idea. didnt look for prices and features for a long time, maybe i'll find something. |
| 22:47.58 | jelly-home | s/can/may/ |
| 22:48.19 | lenswipe|ill | okay |
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| 22:48.55 | icebrain | I'm trying to fsck a lvm volume. I've umounted it, but I still get "fsck.ext3: Device or resource busy while trying to open /dev/mapper/externo-lvexterno - Filesystem mounted or opened exclusively by another program?" |
| 22:48.56 | icebrain | any tips? |
| 22:49.23 | lenswipe|ill | additionally i cant play DVDs with VLC or mplayer |
| 22:49.32 | lenswipe|ill | VLC says [00000292] dvdread demuxer error: read failed for block 0 |
| 22:49.32 | lenswipe|ill | [00000281] main playlist: nothing to play |
| 22:49.37 | lenswipe|ill | can someone shed some light on this? |
| 22:54.51 | versuchsanstalt | lenswipe|ill: did you come across this page: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=50398 ? |
| 22:57.30 | lenswipe|ill | versuchsanstalt, yeah but im having issues playing DVDs that previously worked |
| 22:57.36 | lenswipe|ill | besides VLC can play anything |
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| 22:59.14 | lenswipe|ill | anyone got any ideas? |
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| 23:00.08 | lenswipe|ill | versuchsanstalt, i just installed libdvdcss and now VLC says Unable to open 'dvd:///dev/sr0' |
| 23:00.44 | versuchsanstalt | lenswipe|ill: and you are sure that /dev/sr0 is your dvd drive |
| 23:01.12 | versuchsanstalt | versuchsanstalt: for example, maybe you tested that using eject or something |
| 23:01.22 | lenswipe|ill | versuchsanstalt, it was empty. i put a DVD in |
| 23:01.24 | lenswipe|ill | now the DVD is playing |
| 23:01.27 | lenswipe|ill | but there is no sound |
| 23:01.37 | lenswipe|ill | w8 hang on |
| 23:01.52 | lenswipe|ill | there we go |
| 23:01.52 | versuchsanstalt | ok, so you are one step further. great! |
| 23:01.53 | lenswipe|ill | thats it |
| 23:01.53 | lenswipe|ill | thx |
| 23:01.56 | lenswipe|ill | works now |
| 23:02.05 | versuchsanstalt | you're welcome. be well! |
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| 23:02.45 | edju | Anyone install amarok 1.4 in squeeze? If so, from where? |
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| 23:04.52 | qq- | , versions amarok |
| 23:04.54 | judd | amarok -- etch: 1.4.4-4etch1; etch-security: 1.4.4-4etch1; lenny: 1.4.10-2lenny1; sid: 2.3.1-1; squeeze: 2.3.1-1 |
| 23:06.07 | edju | judd, Yes, I know. But - can I install amarok from the lenny repo? |
| 23:06.50 | qq- | usually no, but why ? |
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| 23:07.31 | edju | qq-, Because lenny has 1.4, squeeze has 2. |
| 23:07.38 | qq- | and ? |
| 23:07.53 | lenswipe|ill | versuchsanstalt, thanks |
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| 23:08.01 | edju | and? I prefer 1.4 |
| 23:08.12 | qq- | install lenny |
| 23:08.56 | qq- | i means the release lenny |
| 23:11.12 | dondelelcaro | edju: you can, but it may not work properly |
| 23:11.19 | dondelelcaro | edju: you'll have to hold the package too |
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| 23:12.59 | edju | dondelelcaro, hold the package? you mean pin? |
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| 23:16.07 | dondelelcaro | edju: no, I mean hold it |
| 23:16.07 | dondelelcaro | !tell edju -about hold |
| 23:18.20 | edju | dondelelcaro, I see. Well, I'll give it a shot. Thanks. |
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| 23:22.13 | dondelelcaro | edju: np |
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| 23:24.26 | epsas | are there any prebuilt debian netinst usb-images? |
| 23:24.36 | epsas | i am having a heck of a time building them manually |
| 23:25.01 | epsas | i think it is because i used these usb sticks for macosx installs (gpt) |
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| 23:27.26 | bronaugh | hm; I see there was an effort to package 389 aka fedora directory server up |
| 23:27.28 | bronaugh | but it kinda died. |
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| 23:29.50 | bronaugh | ok not quite as dead as I thought. |
| 23:29.57 | dondelelcaro | epsas: no, but they're trivial to make |
| 23:30.18 | dondelelcaro | epsas: you just copy the filesystem out, then mount it and copy a iso to the usb filesystem |
| 23:32.17 | redDEADresolve | anyone know of a program that will wipe an extra drive, i want to wipe some 4GB micro SD cards |
| 23:33.48 | abrotman | wipe how completely? |
| 23:33.49 | dondelelcaro | redDEADresolve: in what way? |
| 23:34.09 | abrotman | you could easily use 'dd' to erase the contents of the card |
| 23:34.32 | redDEADresolve | dondelelcaro, i used them in my phone they had documents on them that i dont want people to be able to recover. I use dban before i sell give away an HD |
| 23:35.06 | abrotman | so use dban on the SD cards |
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| 23:35.35 | dondelelcaro | redDEADresolve: why not just sell the phones without the sd cards? |
| 23:35.52 | redDEADresolve | dondelelcaro, i want to sell the SD cards lol |
| 23:36.01 | vyi | anyway to fix mc layout? iam getting áááááá marks all over the framme |
| 23:36.07 | dondelelcaro | they're cheap enough, and it's very difficult to know if you've managed to erase everything from an sd card |
| 23:36.17 | redDEADresolve | abrotman, i didnt know you could use dban on a usb drive |
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| 23:36.30 | dondelelcaro | but anyway, if it's not that important, you can use wipe, dban, or dd, or whatever works on them |
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| 23:37.18 | epsas | dondelelcaro - I am thinking that there is a problem with the partition tables or something |
| 23:37.24 | epsas | let me try again with the "Flexible" method |
| 23:37.30 | epsas | I will cross my fingers |
| 23:38.07 | dondelelcaro | epsas: you don't need the flexible method if you're just using a netinst iso |
| 23:38.21 | dondelelcaro | (but you can of course use it) |
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| 23:39.18 | do0ob | its back!!! http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html |
| 23:39.27 | do0ob | 64bit flash is here once again |
| 23:40.15 | dondelelcaro | it's always been here; use gnash |
| 23:40.34 | bronaugh | uh, when did it stop being here? |
| 23:40.39 | abrotman | did he really just join to spam us that ? |
| 23:40.51 | bronaugh | I've been using it for >1 year |
| 23:41.34 | nkuttler | adobe's amd64 flash had a huge security hole and was remove from debian some time ago |
| 23:41.42 | bronaugh | wonder if this one is broken with FF4 |
| 23:41.59 | bronaugh | nkuttler: oh yeah? good to know. |
| 23:42.18 | bronaugh | what was the hole? |
| 23:42.20 | nkuttler | actually, i think debian only had a downloader anyway. or something |
| 23:42.35 | abrotman | nkuttler: new version .. |
| 23:42.39 | bronaugh | it was / is only a downloader. |
| 23:43.18 | nkuttler | oh, already? |
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| 23:49.12 | martianlobster | does anyone know the irc channel for debian nyc ? |
| 23:49.37 | abrotman | i think it's on OFTC ? |
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| 23:49.46 | kwikness | #php |
| 23:50.06 | abrotman | martianlobster: irc.oftc.net |
| 23:50.07 | mjmt | kwikness: #fishsticks! |
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| 23:50.30 | kwikness | i don't think my debian install included the mysql module in php.. what's the easiest way to add it? |
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| 23:50.53 | epsas | hmm |
| 23:50.54 | mjmt | !installit |
| 23:50.54 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 23:51.16 | martianlobster | thanks |
| 23:51.20 | epsas | the installer can load the ath5k_pci module, but it can't find the open wireless network to install |
| 23:51.31 | epsas | is there a way to manually enable the wireless? |
| 23:51.44 | epsas | i don't see iwconfig or the like on the netinst cd |
| 23:51.44 | Pinchiukas | Is there a way for debian to notify me by mail or something if there are packages to be updated? |
| 23:52.17 | kwikness | should i like uninstall php then reinstall it? |
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| 23:52.39 | kwikness | or is there an option via apt-get to just add the mysql module to php? |
| 23:53.18 | mjmt | kwikness: How did you install PHP? |
| 23:53.31 | kwikness | mjmt, i think it was included in my debian install |
| 23:53.50 | kwikness | mjmt, or it might have been installed via apt |
| 23:54.52 | abrotman | kwikness: aptitude install php5-mysql .. that's it |
| 23:56.02 | kwikness | abrotman, thanks |
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