| 00:01.40 | mjmt | Hope he didn't install it from source. |
| 00:02.01 | Speeder99 | Is the tg3 driver working for broadcomm NICs now? |
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| 00:05.47 | bronaugh | ok, anyone else for status of 389-directory-server? |
| 00:06.11 | bronaugh | or hell, even opinions of people who've used it |
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| 00:12.32 | jelly-home | bronaugh: doesn't seem to be packaged yet |
| 00:12.48 | jelly-home | bronaugh: is there an ITP? |
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| 00:13.45 | bronaugh | https://alioth.debian.org/projects/pkg-fedora-ds/ |
| 00:13.47 | bronaugh | there's this. |
| 00:13.56 | bronaugh | which apparently has an svn repository somewhere. |
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| 00:15.47 | jelly-home | there was in ITP in 2006-2007, closed for inactivity #386206 |
| 00:16.00 | ravigehlot | I was able to get wpa_supplicant to work fine on my terminals. But when I fire up Blackbox (window manager), the Internet isn't UP on X11. Why is that? |
| 00:16.04 | bronaugh | !ITP |
| 00:16.04 | dpkg | well, itp is Intent To Package, or a bug which is filed against the <wnpp> pseudo-package which indicates that someone is working on packaging a piece of software for Debian. This is done to avoid the duplication of work. |
| 00:16.09 | bronaugh | right ok. |
| 00:16.14 | bronaugh | yeah, I think I found that one. |
| 00:16.22 | bronaugh | this is the resulting project. |
| 00:16.29 | bronaugh | there's about 3-4 emails ay ear. |
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| 00:17.35 | ravigehlot | bronaugh: tudo bem? |
| 00:17.48 | jelly-home | what, are you thinking "anything's gotta be better than openldap" |
| 00:18.00 | bronaugh | ... basically. |
| 00:18.23 | bronaugh | we're looking into deploying ldap to manage unified logins. |
| 00:18.49 | bronaugh | pretty much everything talks about openldap, but it seems like openldap's kind of a pile of crap (a working one, but a pile nonetheless) |
| 00:19.02 | bronaugh | so I'm looking for alternatives. |
| 00:19.59 | ravigehlot | bronaugh: Why not use MySQL and then come up with a way to store your log ins using either UUID or ID? That would unify it without the overhead of an ldap server. |
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| 00:20.00 | jelly-home | still a working pile of crap is better than a nonworking one |
| 00:20.17 | bronaugh | jelly-home: this is true. |
| 00:20.30 | bronaugh | but it still stinks :) |
| 00:20.37 | jelly-home | so I have openldap where there's LDAP to be done |
| 00:20.43 | jelly-home | or AD ;-) |
| 00:20.43 | bronaugh | ravigehlot: hm. I guess that's a point. |
| 00:21.24 | ravigehlot | bronaugh: That a fairly easy thing to do. You can do it using PERL, PHP or even BASH script. What kind of application will be needing unified logins? |
| 00:22.18 | bronaugh | ravigehlot: we're getting to the point of "too many machines" -- so we need to make sure user accounts are synchronized. |
| 00:22.44 | bronaugh | the too many machines problem is a whole other ball of wax... |
| 00:23.25 | ravigehlot | bronaugh: If you have more than 1 database running then you can still achieve what you need with MySQL REPLICATION. |
| 00:23.34 | ravigehlot | bronaugh: Replication will take care of that. |
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| 00:24.09 | bronaugh | uh right. and what happens when we want, say, our project tracking system to integrate? |
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| 00:24.52 | bronaugh | jelly-home: yeah, I'm not sure what road to go down. basically, how much of a hassle is openldap to admin? |
| 00:26.01 | ravigehlot | bronaugh: IF all your application can talk ldap, why wouldn't they talk MySQL? |
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| 00:26.48 | bronaugh | ravigehlot: uh, because LDAP defines a format and a communications protocol, and mysql only defines a communications protocol? |
| 00:26.55 | elrod | Can someone help me, when I start X it looks like it starts but it goes to a blank screen. IceWm complains that it can't connect to xserver, but ps shows x running. I;m using the ati official driver |
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| 00:27.12 | judgen | howdy! |
| 00:28.00 | judgen | what is the url to check package versions in "unstable"? |
| 00:28.11 | ravigehlot | bronaugh: I need to get more info on your hardware lay out and your application to deem what's best for your set up. |
| 00:28.42 | jelly-home | bronaugh: I'm not sure, my installations are rather simple and configured by the umbrella institution that provides schemas to make their stuff work. |
| 00:28.48 | abrotman | judgen: you can use packages.debian.org/<pkgname> |
| 00:29.24 | bronaugh | jelly-home: ok, so for example, how do you add a user? |
| 00:29.30 | bronaugh | can you use 'adduser' once you've got it linked up with pam? |
| 00:30.00 | jelly-home | bronaugh: I don't have it connected to pam or nss (yet). |
| 00:30.10 | bronaugh | jelly-home: ah; ok. |
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| 00:31.26 | judgen | thankyou |
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| 00:32.50 | Karen_m | I'm trying to install debian 5, and under the partition disks there is no ext4 option, why is that? |
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| 00:35.08 | abrotman | Karen_m: ext4 was not stable when lenny released |
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| 00:37.29 | Bop | rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 37.212/38.829/40.637/1.094 ms |
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| 00:37.39 | Bop | does anyone know what mdev parameter means in ping ? |
| 00:37.47 | Karen_m | how can i install with ext4 using netinst then? |
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| 00:38.10 | Bop | Karen_m, you'll have an option in netinst menus |
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| 00:41.46 | jelly-home | Karen_m: the installer for debian 5 doesn't support ext4 yet. You can create the filesystems manually. Are you using the kmuto installer with updated installer kernel? If not, use it, or you'll be unable to mount the newly created ext4 filesystems |
| 00:42.02 | jelly-home | !tell Karen_m about kmuto |
| 00:42.28 | jelly-home | !tell Karen_m about ext4 |
| 00:44.49 | tuvwx | unattended-upgrades stopped working here. anyone have the same issue? any known changes/solutions? |
| 00:45.36 | tuvwx | no new entries in /var/log/unattended-upgrades/unattended-upgrades.log. also, if i run unattended-upgrades manually, it works and the log file is updated |
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| 00:50.21 | man_in_shack | waves |
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| 00:50.40 | man_in_shack | how would i rename files to all-lowercase using the "rename" perl script? |
| 00:50.45 | e-dub | kool |
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| 00:52.06 | stew | man_in_shack: rename '$_=lc' * |
| 00:52.51 | man_in_shack | ty |
| 00:52.55 | phogg | man_in_shack: this is in the rename(1) man page, for me: rename 'y/A-Z/a-z/' |
| 00:53.17 | man_in_shack | ah, must have missed that |
| 00:53.24 | man_in_shack | ty :) |
| 00:54.09 | jelly-home | phogg: what if his locale's collating sequence doesn't end with Z ? |
| 00:54.27 | phogg | jelly-home: then the man page needs to be updated (-: |
| 00:54.31 | abrotman | what if his locale doesn't have lower case! |
| 00:54.39 | jelly-home | inconceivable! |
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| 00:55.33 | stew | hmm, i'm disappointed that my version doesn't seem to lowercase a file named à |
| 00:55.59 | phogg | if it were me I would not resort to rename at all |
| 00:56.18 | jelly-home | stew: neither does it rename LAŽ to laž even though LC_COLLATE (well, LANG) is set up. |
| 00:57.03 | man_in_shack | <phogg> jelly-home: then perl needs to be fixed (-: |
| 00:57.05 | man_in_shack | ^^ fixed |
| 00:57.17 | stew | hmm, not even rename -n 'require utf8; $_=lc' * |
| 00:58.11 | phogg | man_in_shack: perl can handle it if you do it just right |
| 00:58.14 | jelly-home | # Google is my friend! http://stackoverflow.com/questions/519309/how-do-i-read-utf-8-with-diamond-operator |
| 00:58.15 | jelly-home | binmode STDIN, ':utf8'; |
| 00:58.15 | jelly-home | binmode STDOUT, ':utf8'; |
| 00:58.26 | man_in_shack | phogg, rename was a nice and easy way to do 3 different renaming thingies on one line |
| 00:58.35 | jelly-home | wait, that's for pipes. |
| 00:59.04 | man_in_shack | rename -v 's/[^0-9]*([0-9]{2}).* - (.*)/$1-$2/;s/ /_/g;$_=lc' * << that's what i ended up with |
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| 00:59.34 | Vesperto | vos saúda |
| 00:59.49 | jelly-home | man_in_shack: what if an album has more than 100 songs! |
| 00:59.55 | rking | "In IE9, the rendering of graphics and text has shifted to the graphics card from the CPU, accelerating speed and visuals" from: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE68E5MQ20100915 |
| 01:00.04 | rking | Isn't that backwards? |
| 01:00.19 | man_in_shack | jelly-home, this particular one does not, so i care not :D |
| 01:00.26 | abrotman | rking: this is #debian? why do we care about IE? |
| 01:00.26 | phogg | man_in_shack: it's powerful but not something I find I need, normally. Since I always have to double check my syntax it's easier to use something else. |
| 01:00.29 | jelly-home | rking: uh... #debian isn't ##English |
| 01:00.32 | Dewi | rking: why would that be backwards? |
| 01:00.41 | jelly-home | rking: (and it's ok) |
| 01:00.41 | man_in_shack | phogg, that's what rename -n is for |
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| 01:00.55 | rking | jelly-home: English? |
| 01:01.11 | abrotman | move along :) |
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| 01:01.22 | man_in_shack | abrotman, nothing to see here? |
| 01:01.24 | jelly-home | rking: you were asking about the grammar, right? Surely you weren't trolling about IE. |
| 01:01.26 | rking | Dewi: Doesn't moving graphics processing from the CPU to the graphics card usually the right step? |
| 01:01.35 | abrotman | rking: take it somewhere else |
| 01:01.39 | rking | jelly-home: No, browser/rendering architecture. |
| 01:01.45 | phogg | rking: that's what it says |
| 01:01.46 | rking | abrotman: Fair enough. |
| 01:01.50 | abrotman | rking: go to #debian-offtopic if you want to discuss it |
| 01:01.53 | jelly-home | rking: ##web perhaps |
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| 01:02.11 | rking | Dargh! I read it wrong. I suck * 2, once for the OT and two for the misread. |
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| 01:02.30 | lenswipe|ill | hey guys |
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| 01:02.48 | lenswipe|ill | is it possible for me to mount a samba or ssh share so i can reference it with programs such as netbeans and stuff? |
| 01:02.53 | tuvwx | i suspect my cron.daily jobs are not being run. how do i verify/debug that? |
| 01:03.05 | abrotman | lenswipe|ill: thta's kind of the point |
| 01:03.33 | bronaugh | ok... |
| 01:03.58 | bronaugh | so I've been digging, because I'm going to run into this in a few weeks; has the inability of e2fsprogs to create filesystems > 16TB been fixed or not? |
| 01:04.10 | lenswipe|ill | abrotman, .... |
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| 01:04.13 | bronaugh | changelog mentions that resize2fs had some limit removed wrt 2^32 blocks |
| 01:04.14 | Jed_84 | hello everyone |
| 01:04.19 | Jed_84 | I'm having problems hibernating my computer |
| 01:04.32 | bronaugh | but I don't see anything about mke2fs |
| 01:04.37 | Jed_84 | When I boot, it completely ignores the state saved to swap after hibernating |
| 01:04.42 | bronaugh | nee mkfs.ext4 |
| 01:04.51 | Jed_84 | I checked the dmesg.log file and found this error message: |
| 01:05.00 | bronaugh | Jed_84: is there a resume= line that specifies your swap device on the kernel command line? |
| 01:05.04 | Jed_84 | PM: Error -22 checking image file |
| 01:05.07 | Dewi | lenswipe|ill: that's what "mount" means, and yes |
| 01:05.14 | bronaugh | dmesg | head |
| 01:05.16 | Jed_84 | yes, I added the resume= parameter to my kernel |
| 01:05.20 | bronaugh | [ 0.000000] Command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-amd64 root=UUID=960c1b81-2578-4ddf-af08-972e49353cd7 ro quiet |
| 01:05.40 | Jed_84 | Command line: root=/dev/sda6 resume=/dev/sda7 ro nomodeset |
| 01:05.55 | lenswipe|ill | hmm |
| 01:07.26 | bronaugh | Jed_84: yay. uhh. |
| 01:07.36 | bronaugh | see if there's more spew in dmesg regarding resuming. |
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| 01:07.43 | bronaugh | see if it failed for some reason. |
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| 01:08.32 | Jed_84 | bronaugh, that's the only relevant message I could find |
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| 01:09.30 | bronaugh | [ 3.263446] PM: Starting manual resume from disk |
| 01:09.32 | e-dub | what up elkclone |
| 01:09.33 | bronaugh | no spew like that? |
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| 01:10.00 | Jed_84 | yes, one sec |
| 01:10.46 | Jed_84 | http://pastie.org/1161938 |
| 01:10.47 | Jed_84 | there |
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| 01:11.01 | msh07 | Buenas! |
| 01:11.41 | e-dub | ola |
| 01:12.41 | bronaugh | PM: Error -22 checking image file |
| 01:12.44 | bronaugh | well; looks interesting. |
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| 01:15.24 | bronaugh | Jed_84: you must have the wrong block device specified as resume. |
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| 01:16.15 | bronaugh | or.. hmm |
| 01:16.15 | bronaugh | could be an initrd problem. |
| 01:16.22 | bronaugh | ie: driver for block dev not loaded. |
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| 01:18.53 | jelly-home | stew: ha! perl -w -CSDAL $(which rename) -n '$_=lc' LAŽ |
| 01:19.09 | jelly-home | simple. |
| 01:20.45 | Jed_84 | bronaugh, are you sure about the wrong brock device? |
| 01:20.52 | Jed_84 | I mean |
| 01:20.53 | bronaugh | Jed_84: keep reading what I said. |
| 01:21.00 | abrotman | couldn't myon just use: aptitude install '~i~U' ? |
| 01:21.14 | abrotman | or just ~U |
| 01:21.49 | Jed_84 | ok, how can I check if the driver for the block device was loaded? |
| 01:22.07 | bronaugh | well; you're using a stock debian kernel, yes? |
| 01:22.18 | bronaugh | if you are, the block device is likely -not- to be loaded, and the initrd should be managing the resume. |
| 01:22.27 | bronaugh | ie: specifying resume= on the command line doesn't help. |
| 01:22.32 | bronaugh | kernel command line* |
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| 01:24.11 | e-dub | am i allowed in here |
| 01:24.19 | Jed_84 | do you think it's worth trying to replace the /dev/sda7 parameter with the uuid instead? |
| 01:25.28 | abrotman | e-dub: huh ? |
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| 01:26.48 | bronaugh | Jed_84: no. |
| 01:26.51 | e-dub | i was invited into #shellium they asked what the fuck i was doing there |
| 01:27.09 | e-dub | burros |
| 01:27.22 | e-dub | like i wasnt invited |
| 01:27.29 | bronaugh | Jed_84: is your swap listed in /etc/fstab? |
| 01:27.33 | e-dub | by elkclone |
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| 01:27.39 | lenswipe|ill | guys |
| 01:27.47 | Jed_84 | bronaugh, yes, it is |
| 01:27.50 | e-dub | sorry |
| 01:27.52 | stew | e-dub: I don't know anything about #shellium, please just keep the conversation here about debian |
| 01:27.54 | Jed_84 | /dev/sda7 swap swap defaults 0 0 |
| 01:28.02 | bronaugh | Jed_84: run update-initrd |
| 01:28.15 | lenswipe|ill | i have an ssh share mounted, but i cant get programs such as netbeans to pick the share up |
| 01:28.16 | lenswipe|ill | can someone help? |
| 01:28.17 | bronaugh | then try rebooting, then try suspend/resume |
| 01:28.20 | lenswipe|ill | where does the share mount to |
| 01:28.29 | ksx4system | hello. I was here few days ago to ask about some old laptop related questions (it's CD-less and network-less Toshiba Portege). |
| 01:28.30 | lenswipe|ill | cos i looked in /media and /mnt and its not there |
| 01:28.34 | lenswipe|ill | anyone got any ideas? |
| 01:28.36 | bronaugh | er update-initrd is not it. |
| 01:28.38 | bronaugh | whatever. |
| 01:28.59 | Jed_84 | mkinitcpio you mean? |
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| 01:29.21 | ksx4system | unfortunately, I tried most of suggested options to install Debian on it. unfortunately, i still can't do it. is installation from hard disk still supported? |
| 01:29.31 | abrotman | !hd-media |
| 01:29.31 | dpkg | To install Debian without any removable media, ask me about <install guide> and read "Appendix A. Installation Howto", specifically "A.2.4. Booting from hard disk". To download hd-media/* files and Debian CD images, ask me about <install debian>. See also <netboot>, <debian.exe>, <debootstrap>. |
| 01:29.38 | lenswipe|ill | can anyone help? |
| 01:29.45 | bronaugh | Jed_84: don't think so. there is a command whose name I can't recall that updates all initrds for all kernels in the system. |
| 01:29.57 | lenswipe|ill | i need to use an SSH share with netbeans to load the project from but i dont know where ssh shares mount to |
| 01:29.59 | lenswipe|ill | anyone know? |
| 01:30.11 | ksx4system | @abrotman: thnx |
| 01:30.46 | bronaugh | Jed_84: update-initramfs may do it with some options. |
| 01:31.01 | bronaugh | !update-initramfs |
| 01:31.33 | Jed_84 | ok |
| 01:31.38 | bronaugh | that is one thing I hate about initrds -- if you change your config in any way following installation of a kernel, you -have- to regenerate your initrd if you required hardware (or md) to come up on boot |
| 01:32.04 | Jed_84 | that reminds me of lilo, that you had to reinstall it everytime you updated your lilo.conf file |
| 01:32.26 | bronaugh | I have unkind things to say about initrds |
| 01:32.33 | bronaugh | to be honest, the more I use them, the less I see the point. |
| 01:32.39 | bronaugh | "oh no maybe it'll take 5s longer to boot" |
| 01:32.46 | bronaugh | "but wait, the initrd loads anyways..." |
| 01:32.54 | bronaugh | "so you're screwed either way" |
| 01:33.09 | lenswipe|ill | i really need this to work but i cant get it to work is anyone able to advise me on how to get programs to reference a mount point to load their data from? im trying to write a web app and i need to load the web apps project from an ssh server but i dont know where ssh shares mount to, can someone help me with this? |
| 01:34.12 | Jed_84 | bronaugh, as a matter of fact, I already rebuilt my initrd with the same exact config I'm using right now |
| 01:34.24 | Jed_84 | and I'm pretty sure I've booted my system at least a couple of times after doing that |
| 01:34.33 | Jed_84 | so I don't really see the point on rebuilding the initrd |
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| 01:34.41 | Jed_84 | thoughts? |
| 01:35.10 | bronaugh | hm. |
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| 01:35.23 | bronaugh | let's go back to the start. did this ever work? |
| 01:35.39 | Jed_84 | no |
| 01:35.45 | bronaugh | ok. |
| 01:35.46 | Jed_84 | it's a fresh linux install on my brand new laptop |
| 01:35.46 | ksx4system | ok... so i checked out what @abrotman suggested. i *must* have GRUB, right? there's only winshit 98 which i don't want to have when Debian will be installed (~1gb partition) and 5Gb of free space (it'svery small HDD). |
| 01:36.00 | Jed_84 | at least suspend to ram works ok |
| 01:36.02 | bronaugh | Jed_84: ok. |
| 01:36.24 | bronaugh | so I'm pretty sure that the kernel parameter is not working because the driver's not loaded yet. |
| 01:36.34 | bronaugh | so that's explicable at least. |
| 01:36.35 | abrotman | ksx4system: this is IRC, not twitter |
| 01:37.06 | bronaugh | Jed_84: what does /etc/uswsusp.conf contain? |
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| 01:37.57 | Jed_84 | I don't have a /etc/swsusp.conf file |
| 01:38.09 | bronaugh | not swsusp.conf -- uswsusp.conf |
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| 01:38.47 | Jed_84 | I don't have that one either |
| 01:39.01 | NoCode | Is libxm12 under a different name in Squeeze? |
| 01:39.18 | Jed_84 | I'm running arch linux btw. I came here because for what I know, arch got most of the suspend/hibernate utils from debian so maybe you guys know how to make it work |
| 01:39.19 | bronaugh | Jed_84: well... that'll be the problem. |
| 01:39.31 | ksx4system | abrotman: whatever. i need GRUB to do this, right? adding it will *not* be hard probably... |
| 01:39.33 | lenswipe|ill | can someone help? |
| 01:39.34 | Jed_84 | so maybe the config in swsusp.conf is somewhere else on my arch system |
| 01:39.37 | bronaugh | my install has it here. it's here by default. |
| 01:39.40 | lenswipe|ill | i dont know where ssh shares mount to |
| 01:39.57 | bronaugh | Jed_84: see if you're missing package uswsusp |
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| 01:40.14 | abrotman | ksx4system: i believe you can get a grub installer for windows |
| 01:40.59 | Jed_84 | bronaugh, no, I have it installed |
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| 01:41.19 | bronaugh | Jed_84: then arch is brkoen. |
| 01:41.21 | bronaugh | broken. |
| 01:41.25 | Jed_84 | bronaugh, it's called /etc/suspend.conf in my system |
| 01:41.26 | Jed_84 | :) |
| 01:41.26 | bronaugh | seriously. debian does this by default. |
| 01:41.45 | bronaugh | sure. |
| 01:41.47 | ksx4system | abrotman: great. so i'm *finally* moving this laptop to *real* operating system. thanks :) |
| 01:41.55 | abrotman | you hope |
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| 01:42.10 | Jed_84 | so, this is what my suspend.conf file looks like http://pastie.org/1161971 |
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| 01:43.14 | bronaugh | Jed_84: looks like most of the goodies in that file are commented out. |
| 01:43.18 | bronaugh | not so in my debian config file. |
| 01:43.33 | bronaugh | I also don't know if that configures uswsusp or not. |
| 01:43.43 | bronaugh | so basically... I'm going to go with "Arch is broken out of the box" |
| 01:44.15 | Jed_84 | well, the /etc/suspend.conf file is installed by the uswsusp package |
| 01:44.18 | Jed_84 | so |
| 01:44.26 | bronaugh | ok. what versions? |
| 01:44.48 | bronaugh | uswsusp 0.8-1.2+b1, kernel 2.6.32 here |
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| 01:47.05 | Jed_84 | 0.8-6 kernel 2.6.35 |
| 01:47.32 | bronaugh | ok so broadly similar. |
| 01:47.36 | bronaugh | dunno why the file's in a different place. |
| 01:47.52 | bronaugh | implies the arch crew have changed the package significantly. |
| 01:48.00 | bronaugh | (from the debian one) |
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| 01:48.23 | bronaugh | at this point... I think you're in the wrong channel. |
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| 01:50.22 | Jed_84 | crap |
| 01:50.28 | Jed_84 | well, it was worth trying |
| 01:50.36 | Jed_84 | thanks for your help bronaugh |
| 01:50.37 | bronaugh | yeah :/ |
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| 01:50.48 | bronaugh | I could dig further but I think it's a bit of a waste of time. |
| 01:50.54 | Jed_84 | yeah, probably |
| 01:51.05 | Jed_84 | what frustrates me the most is that error message |
| 01:51.09 | Jed_84 | I mean, code -22? c'mon |
| 01:51.13 | bronaugh | shrug. |
| 01:51.13 | Jed_84 | what's that supposed to mean |
| 01:51.20 | Jed_84 | google doesn't bring up anything useful |
| 01:51.21 | bronaugh | if you actually dig up the kernel code that generates that it becomes clear. |
| 01:51.31 | bronaugh | it's in swap.c |
| 01:51.37 | bronaugh | it tries to open the block device, and fails. |
| 01:51.47 | Jed_84 | uhm |
| 01:51.51 | bronaugh | the error code returned by open_blkdev or whatever it is is -22 |
| 01:52.01 | Jed_84 | well, that's a useful piece of information |
| 01:52.01 | bronaugh | and that's what's printed. |
| 01:52.08 | Jed_84 | cool |
| 01:52.15 | bronaugh | I had to think for a while, though, about -why- the block device couldn't be opened (answer being initrd) |
| 01:52.18 | Jed_84 | I'll double-check everything related to my swap partition |
| 01:52.21 | Jed_84 | and see what I can find |
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| 01:52.25 | bronaugh | yeah it's not thaht. |
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| 01:52.39 | bronaugh | it's some form of "initrd doesn't know where your swap device is / something is broken with uswsusp config" |
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| 01:52.52 | bronaugh | Jed_84: it's some form of "initrd doesn't know where your swap device is / something is broken with uswsusp config" |
| 01:52.56 | Jed_84 | sorry, accidentally closed the chat window |
| 01:53.20 | bronaugh | that's where I would go digging. the swap partition is likely absolutely fine. |
| 01:53.38 | Jed_84 | yes, that's what I meant :) |
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| 02:07.25 | bronaugh | yay new flash player. blah. |
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| 02:09.00 | Nai-ux | sh script question: how might I print to a file using variable? "echo hai > filename_$DATE_oo" is not working {$DATE} works but it includes the braces.. |
| 02:09.24 | bronaugh | filename_$DATE\_oo |
| 02:09.40 | stew | Nai-ux: ${DATE} not {$DATE} |
| 02:10.10 | bronaugh | both work. |
| 02:10.13 | Nai-ux | thanks , both of those suggestions work |
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| 02:15.28 | e-dub | hey sorry to bother has anyone talked to newsense i got a question |
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| 02:15.46 | stew | e-dub: if you have a quesiton, just ask the channel |
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| 02:16.31 | e-dub | can i start my own channel |
| 02:16.40 | qq- | !newsense |
| 02:16.40 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, newsense is an ignorant bastard that lurk around the likes of #debian, ignore him and he might go away ! |
| 02:17.13 | e-dub | hahah |
| 02:17.31 | e-dub | maybe not |
| 02:17.47 | e-dub | thats why i asked him |
| 02:18.08 | e-dub | anger managment issuses and all |
| 02:18.28 | stew | e-dub: if you want help creating a channel on freenode, you should seek help in #freenode |
| 02:18.40 | stew | we should try to keep this channel related to debian support |
| 02:18.47 | e-dub | i need a channel where i wont get eaten out |
| 02:19.05 | e-dub | exactly thnx |
| 02:19.24 | e-dub | going going gone |
| 02:19.38 | bronaugh | he needs a channel where he won't get eaten out. |
| 02:19.46 | bronaugh | didn't know this was #desbian |
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| 02:25.29 | Jed_84 | bronaugh, hey, I was thinking |
| 02:25.39 | Jed_84 | maybe my problems with hibernate have something to do with my videocard? |
| 02:25.57 | Jed_84 | i have an ati mobility hd radeon 4500 series |
| 02:26.06 | bronaugh | sope. |
| 02:26.09 | bronaugh | er nope. |
| 02:26.12 | Jed_84 | ok |
| 02:26.13 | Jed_84 | haha |
| 02:26.20 | bronaugh | yeah dvorak typos -- yay. |
| 02:26.21 | chupacabra | Is it normal for wireless to be disconnected if a machine is not touched for a while. If so, how can I change that setting? my torrents don't need to stop. |
| 02:26.44 | bronaugh | chupacabra: not that I've seen. |
| 02:26.50 | bronaugh | (ie: not normal) |
| 02:26.59 | bronaugh | could be some power saving setting buried somewhere. |
| 02:27.12 | bronaugh | but... well, ubuntu doesn't do that. :P |
| 02:27.17 | bronaugh | so I doubt debian would. |
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| 02:30.45 | hachiya | anyone know the dpkg ( I think it's in dpkg) command to show system files altered since installation? e.g. modified /etc files |
| 02:30.52 | Jed_84 | bronaugh, another theory comes to my mind. maybe there are no errors trying to access my swap partition. maybe my partition is accessible without problems but my previous state failed to save properly to swap. is that even a possiblity? |
| 02:30.53 | chupacabra | no, Ubuntu, fedora, redhat, gentoo. none do it. |
| 02:31.16 | bronaugh | Jed_84: it's possible. |
| 02:31.24 | chupacabra | k tks. i'll look for the setting. |
| 02:31.28 | abrotman | hachiya: debsums |
| 02:31.48 | Jed_84 | bronaugh, any idea on how to debug this? |
| 02:32.00 | Jed_84 | I didn't find any errors on pm-suspend.log |
| 02:32.05 | bronaugh | Jed_84: well; if suspend fails, generally you end up with the machine not shutting down. |
| 02:32.12 | bronaugh | because error messages are checked, etc. |
| 02:32.25 | bronaugh | so I doubt it. it's possible but unlikely. |
| 02:32.34 | hachiya | abrotman: oh ok, maybe that was it... thank you |
| 02:32.40 | Jed_84 | well, when I hibernate it, I see the progress indicator in the console reading the percentage |
| 02:32.47 | bronaugh | you should be looking into why it doesn't resume. if I were you, I'd unpack the initrd and follow the path of things being run in there. |
| 02:32.48 | Jed_84 | then something like "shutting down" |
| 02:32.53 | Jed_84 | and this: |
| 02:32.54 | bronaugh | there'll be a script that tries to resume in there. |
| 02:32.56 | Jed_84 | S| |
| 02:33.14 | bronaugh | figure out what it checks, what it tries to load, etc. |
| 02:33.18 | bronaugh | check that. |
| 02:33.21 | Jed_84 | "S|" doesn't look like a success message but more like a bug |
| 02:33.22 | Jed_84 | any ideas? |
| 02:33.24 | bronaugh | it may become more obvious. |
| 02:33.35 | bronaugh | no idea re that message. I doubt it's a problem though. more likely a red herring. |
| 02:33.54 | hachiya | ahh, debsums -ce Right, thanks |
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| 02:44.23 | karlpinc | Is there a way to have OOo installed from stock lenny and backports at the same time? |
| 02:44.31 | abrotman | why would you? |
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| 02:45.36 | karlpinc | abrotman: Well, I prefer stock for the most part but there are times when I want to see if a new feature is worth fussing with having something newer. I guess I like staying away from bpo mostly to make upgrades easier. |
| 02:45.55 | abrotman | so install it, then uninstall/downgrade ? |
| 02:46.24 | karlpinc | abrotman: I suppose. I worry about configs. |
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| 02:47.46 | karlpinc | abrotman: I think what I should really do is run testing in virtualbox or the like. |
| 02:48.02 | abrotman | you could i suppose |
| 02:49.11 | e-dub | is kdxfce good |
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| 02:51.34 | e-dub | yes no |
| 02:52.05 | e-dub | # debianpenguin |
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| 02:56.08 | karlpinc | Now that backports is offical it's supported by the security team, right? Which means the only reason why you wouldn't want to set apt to auto-upgrade when backports gets something newer is because a newer version might be backwards incompatible. Right-ish? |
| 02:56.28 | abrotman | might not? |
| 02:56.55 | karlpinc | abrotman: might not with s/incompatible/compatile. |
| 02:57.36 | abrotman | karlpinc: that's one possibility |
| 02:57.43 | abrotman | besides other bugs that might exist |
| 02:57.56 | CompWizrd | yeah, i see more bugs in backports lately.. some that make the package uninstallable even |
| 02:58.02 | karlpinc | has gotta get a new keyboard. The b key is going. (Trouble is that I like a "ergonomic" keyboard that's split down the middle and they all have the 6 key on the wrong side of the split.) |
| 02:58.22 | karlpinc | Ok. Thanks. |
| 02:59.02 | Raptors | plugin.cpp:324: error: value was not declared in this scope |
| 02:59.09 | Raptors | Does anyone know how to fix that error? |
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| 02:59.14 | CompWizrd | i've ran across a few too where it's obvious the maintainer has never run the package, or even tried to install it |
| 02:59.15 | abrotman | mixing versions of debian ? |
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| 03:04.37 | Raptors | http://pastie.org/1162060 |
| 03:04.41 | Raptors | How can I fix that? |
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| 03:13.14 | e-dub | if any one wnts to bs #ethan |
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| 03:16.01 | e-dub | to talk /j #ethan |
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| 03:31.37 | e-dub | k |
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| 03:32.22 | e-dub | if your kool |
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| 03:41.24 | e-dub | how can i do ops in my own channel |
| 03:41.39 | e-dub | #ethan |
| 03:41.47 | Jed_84 | bronaugh, I got hibernate woking : D |
| 03:41.52 | bronaugh | sweet. |
| 03:42.11 | e-dub | help |
| 03:42.46 | bronaugh | Jed_84: what was the problem? |
| 03:42.57 | Jed_84 | I had to add the following line to my /etc/pm/config.d/defaults file |
| 03:43.05 | Jed_84 | SLEEP_MODULE="kernel" |
| 03:43.11 | bronaugh | weird. |
| 03:43.19 | Jed_84 | I'm not sure what that does |
| 03:43.23 | Jed_84 | haha |
| 03:43.31 | Jed_84 | but now it works : D |
| 03:43.40 | bronaugh | yeah. |
| 03:43.45 | bronaugh | how'd you find that? |
| 03:44.02 | Jed_84 | the only thing left to do to consider my system fully configured is making two-finger scroll working with my touchpad |
| 03:44.13 | Jed_84 | googling around |
| 03:44.15 | e-dub | someone allready threatened to take control of #ethan help how to kick someone |
| 03:44.19 | Jed_84 | found this post on arch's forum https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=99766 |
| 03:44.23 | bronaugh | yeah, that's usually an option set in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 03:44.41 | bronaugh | I had circular scrolling working ~6 years ago. |
| 03:45.04 | Jed_84 | yeah, the thing is |
| 03:45.08 | Jed_84 | now Xorg runs without a xorg.conf file |
| 03:45.28 | bronaugh | you can still configure stuff in that file |
| 03:45.48 | bronaugh | I'm not 100% sure on this, but I believe it'll simply detect that which is not specified. |
| 03:45.57 | e-dub | #dating |
| 03:46.15 | Jed_84 | You're probably right |
| 03:46.56 | bronaugh | also you know about looking in /var/log/Xorg.0.log right? |
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| 03:48.07 | Jed_84 | yes, I do know |
| 03:48.10 | Jed_84 | hehe |
| 03:48.15 | bronaugh | just making sure. :) |
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| 03:53.50 | e-dub | hey newsense |
| 03:54.08 | e-dub | i need your help> |
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| 04:06.16 | Funhouse | found it |
| 04:06.17 | Funhouse | Package libmozjs-dev is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
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| 04:08.11 | chupacabra | i take it linux-image is the kernel? |
| 04:08.31 | chupacabra | doing a upgrade and saw that package |
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| 04:11.43 | gnarface | chupacabra: yes |
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| 04:11.59 | johnfg | hi guys |
| 04:12.02 | chupacabra | yup made a new initrd. |
| 04:12.29 | chupacabra | so now I gotta fix my grub. |
| 04:13.05 | johnfg | I'm running openvpn server on lenny. How can I find out what ips in the 10.8.0 subnet are being given out? |
| 04:13.23 | johnfg | given out to clients? |
| 04:13.55 | chupacabra | uh oh looks like it is updating grub. |
| 04:14.39 | karlpinc | chupacabra: Yes. (With grub 1 at least) you need to read the comments in the file to see how to make your own edits that are preserved through automatic updates. |
| 04:14.46 | SerajewelKS | how would i set up a raidtab for a RAID1 with only one disk, but such that another disk could be added later? |
| 04:15.01 | SerajewelKS | it looks like raid wants to know about all of the devices that will be part of the array at the time it is created |
| 04:15.53 | karlpinc | SerajewelKS: I don't know, but can you use uuids? Generate one and use that, then manually set the uuid when you get the new disk. |
| 04:16.17 | SerajewelKS | karlpinc: i'm not sure how i would "manually set the uuid" on the persistent raid superblock on the existing disk though |
| 04:16.31 | SerajewelKS | doesn't that superblock contain info about the other devices in the raid? |
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| 04:17.32 | karlpinc | SerajewelKS: You'd manually set the uuid of the new disk, on the new disk when you initialize it. (I don't know that "initialize" is the right vocabulary.) |
| 04:18.20 | SerajewelKS | oh hmm, raidtab looks really old. i think mdadm.conf is the new thing these days. |
| 04:18.24 | SerajewelKS | maybe i just need a better howto. |
| 04:19.42 | karlpinc | SerajewelKS: "man madam" says To create a "degraded" array in which some devices are missing, simply give the word "missing" in place of a device name. |
| 04:19.44 | SerajewelKS | it looks like the mdadm "grow" facility is exactly what i'm after |
| 04:19.56 | SerajewelKS | karlpinc: oh nifty, guess i didn't get that far. thanks for the pointer. |
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| 04:21.57 | Jed_84 | off to bed |
| 04:21.59 | Jed_84 | see you! |
| 04:22.25 | Jed_84 | bronaugh, thanks for your help today! |
| 04:23.56 | johnfg | any idea how to find out what ip addresses openvpn server is giving out to clients? I'm running debian lenny. |
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| 04:32.34 | SerajewelKS | i forget, are you supposed to create raid arrays from partitions, or from entire disks? |
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| 04:34.34 | liable | partitions |
| 04:34.51 | SerajewelKS | that's what i thought -- thanks |
| 04:35.37 | SerajewelKS | also, is there a suggested variance on the size of said partition with respect to the disk? for example, i have a 1TB drive i'm going to throw in a RAID1 by itself. later i will buy another 1TB drive, probably not the same model, and add it to the array. |
| 04:35.53 | SerajewelKS | should i subtract some MB from the partition size, just in case the new drive is smaller? |
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| 04:36.06 | SerajewelKS | since 1TB doesn't always mean 1TB... |
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| 04:38.26 | nsadmin | have all your disks first |
| 04:38.34 | nsadmin | then look at how big they are |
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| 04:40.09 | SerajewelKS | that's not an option in this case (budget) |
| 04:40.31 | SerajewelKS | i suppose i could just format the thing and not do RAID, then when i get the other disk, create a RAID1 on it, since i'll know the size of both disks |
| 04:40.42 | SerajewelKS | format, copy data, unmount the first disk, and add it to the array, then rebuild |
| 04:40.59 | SerajewelKS | didn't think of that approach for some reason |
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| 04:42.12 | SerajewelKS | nsadmin: the goal is to start with one 1TB drive and work my way up to five, four in a RAID10 and one spare |
| 04:42.35 | SerajewelKS | so i have this whole plan where each new drive i get i perform some steps to move closer to that goal |
| 04:42.39 | SerajewelKS | at two drives i will have RAID1 |
| 04:43.17 | SerajewelKS | RAID1(a,b) will then be copied onto RAID0(c,d) once i have four disks. then i create a RAID1 around that and add a and b back in. |
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| 04:50.20 | e-dub | da du da daa |
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| 04:51.57 | infid | i know it's beneficial to use ./ when running commands, to ensure a command in the cwd gets ran and not somethin in PATH, but is there a benefit to using ./ in *arguments*? i've seen this a lot and not sure why 'scp user@host:/home/foo/foo.c ./foo.c' |
| 04:52.12 | infid | why do that instead of just 'scp user@host:/home/foo/foo.c .' |
| 04:53.15 | e-dub | their must be a reason |
| 04:53.43 | nsadmin | infid: perhaps it goes to a person reading and understanding it, specifically hiliting the file is to be dropped into . |
| 04:53.59 | e-dub | hmm |
| 04:54.04 | e-dub | thats it |
| 04:54.08 | nsadmin | because you're right, it doesn't matter if you do or not |
| 04:54.40 | e-dub | u run kxdfce |
| 04:55.33 | e-dub | oh sorry nsadmin |
| 04:56.04 | e-dub | im newsense's brother |
| 04:56.23 | nsadmin | oh ok :) yes I remember you |
| 04:56.45 | e-dub | haha |
| 04:57.40 | e-dub | can u help me |
| 04:57.54 | nsadmin | with? |
| 04:58.07 | e-dub | my channel #ethan |
| 04:58.28 | e-dub | how do i register |
| 04:58.42 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:59.12 | e-dub | let me open xterm |
| 04:59.14 | nsadmin | err chanserv |
| 04:59.35 | nsadmin | but you'll need a registered nick |
| 04:59.37 | nsadmin | also |
| 05:00.05 | nsadmin | another info source is #freenode |
| 05:00.12 | e-dub | edub is registered |
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| 05:00.37 | e-dub | right |
| 05:02.45 | e-dub | hey their is no help available for register |
| 05:03.10 | e-dub | nickserv says |
| 05:03.42 | e-dub | how can i register my channel |
| 05:03.44 | nsadmin | I misspoke; /msg chanserv help |
| 05:03.54 | nsadmin | also check with #freenode |
| 05:06.21 | e-dub | [00:04:07] ChanServ [ChanServ@services.]: ChanServ gives normal users the ability to maintain control [00:04:07] ChanServ [ChanServ@services.]: of a channel, without the need of a bot. Channel takeovers are [00:04:07] ChanServ [ChanServ@services.]: virtually impossible when a channel is registered with ChanServ. [00:04:07] ChanServ [ChanServ@services.]: Registration is a quick and painless proces |
| 05:06.59 | e-dub | freenode typed register and it is boty |
| 05:07.08 | e-dub | booty |
| 05:08.05 | e-dub | can u do it for me?!!! |
| 05:08.25 | e-dub | cause this stuff confuses me |
| 05:10.40 | e-dub | i didnt ask a stupid question |
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| 05:15.45 | e-dub | wtf no good |
| 05:16.11 | e-dub | trying to perform a simple task and i cant do it |
| 05:16.26 | e-dub | help please |
| 05:17.00 | jpinx-eeepc | e-dub: would you like to ask a question about debian? Questions about freenode need to be asked in #freenode ;) |
| 05:18.24 | trovanon | While performing a upgrade from lenny to squeeze on my server (to obtain a nightly build of bitlbee because debian packages are lagged behind), I failed to install udev, and now I'm stuck in limbo in an upgrade. From what i've read it's a problem with the kernel? I don't have the newest (~.20). |
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| 05:19.43 | e-dub | sorry ill work on that thank you for evrythng |
| 05:20.52 | trovanon | Can anyone provide insight? |
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| 05:22.50 | jpinx-eeepc | !lenny->squeeze |
| 05:23.02 | jpinx-eeepc | dpkg: lenny->squeeze |
| 05:23.02 | dpkg | Ask me about <squeeze udev>, as you will need to upgrade to the squeeze kernel and reboot first. Remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile) or bpo, then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude linux-image-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` ; reboot; aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>, <squeeze release notes>. |
| 05:23.30 | jpinx-eeepc | !squeeze udev |
| 05:23.30 | dpkg | As of <udev> 150 in squeeze, Linux kernel 2.6.27 or later is required (i.e. upgrade kernel and udev at the same time). If udev installation fails and you already have a squeeze kernel installed, then reboot into the new kernel and "aptitude -f install ; aptitude safe-upgrade" to continue. See also <squeeze udev fix>, <squeeze kernel>, <kernel abi>, http://bugs.debian.org/571255 |
| 05:23.47 | jpinx-eeepc | trovanon: know about the issues, but never had to fix it |
| 05:24.49 | jpinx-eeepc | trovanon: follow the advice here ^^^ |
| 05:25.54 | e-dub | hey i got a channel registerd thnx |
| 05:28.36 | trovanon | NOOOOOOO |
| 05:28.41 | trovanon | ill have to reboot :< |
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| 05:29.13 | factor | had to plug in hardline |
| 05:29.29 | factor | I am having problems with 2.6.32 debian testing and ndiswrapper |
| 05:29.43 | factor | just is acting up randonmy. |
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| 05:30.00 | factor | I have a debian stable in which ndiswrapper works fine |
| 05:31.08 | chupacabra | yay. getting debian to screenread irc was as easy as I have ever gotten it to work. Nice |
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| 05:36.45 | wcs | factor: why you are using ndiswrapper? |
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| 05:40.55 | factor | wcs:becasue my wireless usb does not have a working open source version. |
| 05:42.38 | factor | http://www.trendnet.com/products/proddetail.asp?prod=265_TEW-424UB&cat=84 |
| 05:42.48 | factor | That is the usb wireless adapter |
| 05:46.04 | kingsley | Which command identifies the type of file system at a certain mount point? |
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| 05:46.38 | jpinx-eeepc | kingsley: file |
| 05:48.25 | kingsley | jpinx-eeepc: At least for me, the "file" command only reports "directory". |
| 05:50.09 | jpinx-eeepc | kingsley: file -s |
| 05:50.15 | jpinx-eeepc | I think ;) |
| 05:50.19 | kingsley | jpinx-eeepc: I'm looking for something like "ext3" or "vfat". |
| 05:50.39 | jpinx-eeepc | man file dude - that's all I did |
| 05:50.40 | kingsley | jpinx-eeepc: At least for me, even "file -s" command only reports "directory". |
| 05:51.30 | jpinx-eeepc | it might need to refer to the actual filesystem, not the mountpoint |
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| 05:52.04 | nsadmin | if you were to look at an image of a filesystem and feed that to file, you might get ext3 |
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| 05:52.28 | nsadmin | but what you're looking at is not an image of a filesystem, it's a directory in a filesystem |
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| 05:53.51 | gnarface | kingsley: if you want to know what filesystem a directory that's currently mounted is using that is easy, just check the output of "mount" |
| 05:54.24 | gnarface | kingsley: you would check disks/partitions *not* mounted with something like file -s /dev/sda1 |
| 05:54.49 | simonrvn | one would think he'd know this by now |
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| 05:55.11 | jpinx-eeepc | doh - yea - I should have thought of mount :/ |
| 05:55.26 | nsadmin | if you're looking for a command, you can parse the output of df . (or df <arg>) to come up with the mount point which you feed to mount |
| 05:55.30 | gnarface | it seemed apparent he did not so i was just trying to answer the question he clearly meant to ask rather than being a jerk and answering in a completely correct but completely unhelpful manner |
| 05:57.05 | jpinx-eeepc | :) |
| 05:57.13 | nsadmin | it might be helpful to add to that process a section where he gets clear on the question he's asking, and agrees to hear its answer |
| 05:57.43 | gnarface | you might be right but i didn't necessarily see it happening |
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| 05:58.17 | nsadmin | all you would have to do is get curious about what he really wants |
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| 05:58.29 | gnarface | kingsley: are you now clear on the difference between the /dev/ node representation of a filesystem and the mounted content representation? it's important to understand |
| 05:58.42 | kingsley | gnarface: Yes. |
| 05:58.56 | gnarface | kingsley: what is it you are trying to accomplish here in the first place? |
| 06:00.13 | kingsley | gnarface: I'm a little surprised to report that the "mount" command did indeed report the type of file system. I could have sworn I tried it right after mounting the device... maybe the operating system needed time to update its info, or maybe I just overlooked the result. In any case, I'm happy to report that I have an answer. |
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| 06:00.50 | nsadmin | looking at the filesystem itself (not the storage), a user would note that there is a tree-like structure of directories... he wouldn't necessarily know (and on some systems would be prevented from knowing) what filesystem is mounted where and what kind it is |
| 06:01.24 | gnarface | kingsley: "df -h" is neat too. |
| 06:01.58 | gnarface | kingsley: df will show the device as well as the mount location and the size/used/free space |
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| 06:02.17 | kingsley | gnarface: Duly noted. |
| 06:04.23 | nsadmin | if you look at each physical filesystem and see the structire of dirs, you might see a tree on / and subtrees at each point where a filesystem is mounted... but the user just sees one whole tree |
| 06:04.57 | e-dub | ih |
| 06:05.03 | e-dub | oh |
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| 06:19.36 | e-dub | how can i set a template on irc or my channel |
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| 06:25.58 | simonrvn | what? |
| 06:26.29 | e-dub | how can icreate a toppic |
| 06:26.40 | gnarface | so not a debian question |
| 06:27.06 | simonrvn | /help look for /topic |
| 06:27.28 | e-dub | where can i ask questions pertaining to irc only? |
| 06:27.58 | gnarface | google maybe? |
| 06:28.07 | gnarface | did you try #freenode |
| 06:28.08 | gnarface | ? |
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| 06:28.49 | e-dub | not sure how to |
| 06:29.29 | e-dub | learned to add channels but not sure how to make topic |
| 06:30.29 | e-dub | lists commands but didnt see any about creating a topic |
| 06:31.03 | e-dub | if newsense was here he would say "are you that dumb" |
| 06:31.21 | e-dub | "you dumb fuck cant you read" |
| 06:31.22 | pixie | didnt simonrvn just tell you how |
| 06:31.28 | pixie | /topic |
| 06:31.31 | gnarface | haha |
| 06:33.29 | gnarface | e-dub: commands are network and client specific, but there is large amount of generally standard syntax. you should google for irc commands |
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| 06:34.06 | e-dub | ok |
| 06:34.18 | Mikaze | Anyone know how to do the mouse in X? Forgot to plug it into the new puter when I installed the GUI. |
| 06:34.49 | gnarface | Mikaze: in many cases the new versions of X will auto-detect your mouse when X starts now |
| 06:35.16 | Mikaze | Just restart gdm3? |
| 06:35.30 | gnarface | make sure your mouse is plugged in first, but yea i'd try that first |
| 06:35.41 | Mikaze | K. Thank you. |
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| 06:42.19 | Mikaze | Nope. Nada. Maybe the mouse is dead. Haven't used it in, like, over 4 years. |
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| 06:45.05 | gnarface | Mikaze: first of all, what type of mouse? serial, usb, or ps/2? |
| 06:45.29 | gnarface | Mikaze: second of all, check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log file for errors. |
| 06:45.52 | Mikaze | PS2, Logitech Trackman 3 button scrollwheel trackball. |
| 06:46.09 | tholl583xx | hi, i noticed this page, which says HP officially supports debian lenny; |
| 06:46.11 | tholl583xx | http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/servers/software/debian/index.html |
| 06:46.15 | gnarface | Mikaze: third of all, try specifying it in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf - or check for conflicting definitions if exists. |
| 06:47.01 | Mikaze | K. Will try that. and hope to recognize anything. <grins> |
| 06:47.48 | gnarface | Mikaze: newer xorg versions are supposed to autodetect *everything* - even xorg.conf itself is "optional" now but in my experience you often still have to define stuff because the auto-detection tends to be unreliable |
| 06:47.48 | tholl583xx | but the link to the hP support pack for proliant for debian doens't go anywhere, and they don't list debian for any of the drivers or support options; |
| 06:47.51 | tholl583xx | http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/servers/linux/dl180-drivers-cert.html |
| 06:48.08 | gnarface | tholl583xx: you know HP is evil by now certainly, don't you? |
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| 06:48.29 | Mikaze | got "silken mouse enabled." |
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| 06:48.52 | gnarface | jej |
| 06:48.53 | gnarface | heh |
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| 06:49.49 | Mikaze | will look on the web. Maybe someone has a fix there. Thank you... |
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| 06:50.27 | tholl583xx | gnarface: they sell a lot of servers |
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| 06:51.07 | Knirch | so, if I have a problem with my initramfs not running mdadm to find my arrays, what package should I look at for potential bugreports? or where should I start poking about? (this is on sid with 2.6.35) |
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| 06:52.26 | gnarface | tholl583xx: you having a problem with debian? |
| 06:52.56 | gnarface | Knirch: that's a great question. i want to know the answer to that question too. |
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| 06:54.21 | tholl583xx | gnarface: well, I have a client with debian on their HP dlxxx servers and they have lost a few logical disks because there is no agent installed to send the alerts |
| 06:54.44 | tholl583xx | when the physical disks have a problem, so in that sense I am having a problem with debian |
| 06:54.45 | gnarface | no agent ... what? |
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| 06:55.04 | gnarface | oh i see |
| 06:55.16 | gnarface | the disks started failing and nobody noticed the io errors in the logs? |
| 06:55.37 | tholl583xx | yeah, exactly |
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| 06:56.15 | gnarface | ok, logwatch is the package you want to look into |
| 06:56.18 | tholl583xx | well without the cpqarrayd or something like, the controller doesn't even log to the syslog until something really bad happens |
| 06:56.25 | gnarface | it analyzes the logs and mails you notices |
| 06:56.43 | gnarface | for... all kinds of stuff. i'm sure io errors are also reported or could be configured to |
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| 06:57.25 | gnarface | you may want to hang out here though and see if anyone has any other suggestions for something specific to drive monitoring - i tend to keep an eye on my own logs so off the top of my head i don't know what's out there |
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| 06:58.29 | gnarface | tholl583xx: cpqarrayd looks like exactly what you need actually. |
| 06:58.44 | gnarface | is it running correctly now? |
| 06:59.01 | gnarface | did you just come here to bitch about HP? |
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| 07:04.38 | gnarface | i used to bitch about HP a lot. then i stopped buying their crap |
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| 07:10.03 | tholl583xx | I found the link to the debian support pack aptcd; |
| 07:10.05 | tholl583xx | http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/SoftwareDescription.jsp?lang=en&cc=us&prodTypeId=15351&prodSeriesId=1121486&swItem=MTX-799829d8271f455d9367978b5a&prodNameId=3288144&swEnvOID=4033&swLang=8&taskId=135&mode=4&idx=1 |
| 07:10.12 | tholl583xx | oops longer than I thought url |
| 07:10.38 | tholl583xx | gnarface: my client works directly for HP, I don't have a beef with them |
| 07:10.55 | simonrvn | http://is.gd/fcY60 |
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| 07:13.08 | Dewi | tholl583xx: I have a client who usee "HP Quality Centre", one of the most amusingly named products ever |
| 07:14.19 | tholl583xx | Dewi: haha, well I said I didn't have a beef with them, I'm not sticking up for them ;-) |
| 07:14.21 | Dewi | tholl583xx: many big companies still have this thing doing its IE6 only thing. God knows what they do if they migrate anybody to win7 |
| 07:14.28 | tarzeau | why can't all browsers look for the flashplayer plugin in /usr/lib ? |
| 07:15.53 | Dewi | sorry for OT - it's just that killing IE6 is so important to the whole community :P |
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| 07:16.17 | tholl583xx | I read one of their webpages which claims, HP resoves 99% of Linux related support calls in house, without having to go to independent contractors (or presumably the distro) |
| 07:16.41 | tholl583xx | and I am pretty sure they manage that by saying, "nope we don't support that on linux- go away" |
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| 07:17.21 | tholl583xx | as I learned to my chagrin |
| 07:17.59 | tarzeau | tholl583xx: hahaha |
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| 07:25.42 | xlotlu | any idea what apt's daily cron job does? |
| 07:26.07 | nsadmin | it runs run-parts on a dir |
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| 07:33.59 | xlotlu | apparently just update, and upgrade --download-only, and possibly unattended install |
| 07:34.18 | xlotlu | too bad it hangs. APT::Periodic::Enable "0"; solves it |
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| 07:46.32 | tholl583xx | how do i see where someone got a package from? |
| 07:46.37 | tholl583xx | ie the repo |
| 07:49.25 | nsadmin | you can browse or search packages.debian.org |
| 07:49.31 | nsadmin | you can ask them |
| 07:49.51 | nsadmin | you can ask them to run apt-cache policy <pkg> |
| 07:51.30 | Raptors | Can someone recommend me a fan control application? |
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| 08:29.20 | gnarface | ok i got a hypothetical question here |
| 08:29.39 | gnarface | let's say i have one program that uses hardware-accelerated opengl |
| 08:29.47 | babilen | check |
| 08:29.50 | gnarface | and it causes X11 to slow down |
| 08:29.57 | gnarface | gradually, as though it was a memory error |
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| 08:30.19 | babilen | but no memory leak? |
| 08:30.23 | gnarface | er, memory leak - except exiting/killing it (eventually it'll just bog down to a crawl, freeze and bail out on it's own actually) |
| 08:30.37 | gnarface | exept when it goes away X is still slow |
| 08:30.46 | gnarface | until i entirely exit out of X |
| 08:31.07 | gnarface | if i don't run this *one* program, it never happens. if i DO it happens within minutes to hours at most |
| 08:32.02 | gnarface | evidenced by the speed of window movements/menu open/close animations - i'm literally seeing the harddrive light up like it's swapping just to open my programs shortcut menu |
| 08:32.12 | gnarface | the process doesn't show up in ps anymore |
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| 08:32.27 | babilen | did you trace memory consumption of X and that program? Is a lot of memory allocated and not free()d even if the process exits? |
| 08:32.56 | gnarface | :( i'm afraid i don't actually know how to do that. i just make webpages |
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| 08:33.22 | gnarface | free -m still shows 734MB free though in physical ram |
| 08:33.24 | industrial | Is the way you create packages for and install them exactly the same on Ubuntu as on Debian? |
| 08:33.28 | industrial | I have a piece of software (midori) that I want to download, compile and install myself. I know perfectly fine how to do this without package manager and have the app in my path. Catch: I have no idea how to do this so that I can also start the app from the GNOME menu and gnome-do, it having a nice icon etcetera. Where can I read about this? |
| 08:33.31 | gnarface | is there a better way to trace memory usage/leaks? |
| 08:34.10 | babilen | just watch memory consumption in htop, top or with "free" ... valgrind might be helpful as well |
| 08:34.47 | gnarface | well currently top shows Xorg as taking 34% of memory |
| 08:35.04 | gnarface | that seems like a lot but it hardly justifies the behavior here |
| 08:35.14 | babilen | industrial: You need a .desktop file. See (e.g.) http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/ |
| 08:35.22 | babilen | ,versions midori |
| 08:35.23 | judd | midori -- squeeze: 0.2.4-3; sid: 0.2.7-1.1 |
| 08:35.31 | gnarface | i wouldn't expect opening my applications menu to cause harddrive swapping unless xorg was taking like, 100% |
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| 08:35.51 | industrial | ubuntu serves me 0.2.2 so i thought I'd install the latest :p |
| 08:36.19 | babilen | industrial: I guess that you can just get the .desktop file from the Debian package (unpack it to a tmp location with dpkg -x), edit that to reflect changes caused by your local installation and place it into the appropriate location |
| 08:36.34 | industrial | right |
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| 08:36.59 | babilen | industrial: How is Ubuntu related? Are you running Lenny? Why do you install/compile it locally? |
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| 08:38.10 | babilen | gnarface: I would just start X and watch memory consumption in a slim window manager over like 5-10 minutes and compare that to the memory consumption with that application running. |
| 08:38.17 | industrial | babilen: Ubuntu is what I'm running, not debian, and it's related because it uses apt-get. I download/compile to run the latest version of software. It is ill-advised to moan and bitch at the creators about outdated software |
| 08:38.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | gnarface, valgrind is "it", as babilen said - but running that on X, if you suspect that could be a bit difficult/bothersome |
| 08:38.36 | industrial | babilen: =) |
| 08:38.56 | babilen | industrial: Unfortunately Ubuntu is not supported in here :-\ |
| 08:39.32 | babilen | industrial: Ask in #ubuntu -- They might know how to backport packages on Ubuntu or if a newer version is available somehwere. |
| 08:39.46 | industrial | I know, that's usually the first thing I get, however my problem didn't target anything ubuntu specific (that's what I hoped / how I formulated it). |
| 08:39.58 | gnarface | ok thanks guys i'll look into valgrind |
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| 08:40.03 | industrial | if I ask in ubuntu it scrolls by in 10 seconds or I get help I can't use. |
| 08:40.16 | industrial | downside of popular projects >_> |
| 08:40.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | and here you get flamed for being offtopic... downside of choosing the wrong channel |
| 08:40.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's a tough universe |
| 08:41.10 | industrial | yet, the help I got serves me well |
| 08:43.24 | babilen | industrial: And I guess I helped you ... *If* you can get a newer package somewhere (even if it is just from Debian sid) you can try to compile it locally. "/msg dpkg package recompile" -- Or just install Debian and come back. Hope you get it done, but Ubuntu *really* is not supported in here. Good luck and have a nice day. |
| 08:44.09 | industrial | next time I'll s/Ubuntu/apt-get/g |
| 08:44.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you're wrong... package versions and repositories that have them are very distribution specific |
| 08:44.33 | industrial | well my question was about the package manager itself, not the distro |
| 08:45.00 | industrial | or anything related to ubuntu or debian repositories. |
| 08:45.19 | industrial | lighten up, etc >_> |
| 08:45.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions midori |
| 08:45.28 | judd | midori -- squeeze: 0.2.4-3; sid: 0.2.7-1.1 |
| 08:45.35 | flaarg | I thought installing it would put the right .desktops in place |
| 08:45.47 | flaarg | they should be included in the source for midori |
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| 08:46.16 | Pinchiukas | Is there a way for debian to notify me by mail or something if there are packages to be updated? |
| 08:46.27 | flaarg | I suggest trying to install it with checkinstall, ./confirugre;make;checkinstall -D |
| 08:46.43 | yareckon | hi guys, anone know how to make gnome mount bookmarked drives on login? |
| 08:46.43 | babilen | industrial: *If* you were running Debian I would have asked you to backport the version from squeeze/sid. That solution is the correct choice for Debian, but does not apply to Ubuntu. |
| 08:47.15 | flaarg | oh he left |
| 08:47.33 | yareckon | I've got a couple of samba mounts and an ssh mount that I would like to load up as the workstation is warming up |
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| 08:48.04 | yareckon | would rather use my gnome bookmarks than mount them in fstab, since they use my user creds anyway |
| 08:48.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell Pinchiukas -about cron-apt |
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| 08:54.51 | telmich | good morning |
| 08:54.58 | telmich | does 'E: Broken packages |
| 08:55.10 | telmich | ' mean I cannot remove a package (full output: http://home.schottelius.org/~nico/unix/linux/debian/apt-get-remove-not-install) |
| 08:56.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions apache2-utils |
| 08:56.33 | judd | apache2-utils -- etch: 2.2.3-4+etch11; etch-security: 2.2.3-4+etch11; lenny-security: 2.2.9-10+lenny7; lenny: 2.2.9-10+lenny8; sid: 2.2.16-2; squeeze: 2.2.16-2 |
| 08:56.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | telmich, you could try "aptitude why-not apache2-utils" |
| 08:57.43 | telmich | Unable to find a reason to remove apache2-utils. |
| 08:57.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | telmich, and you should run that line with aptitude instead of apt-get, it has better dependency solution and will probably provide a solution |
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| 08:58.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | take care it's a solution that doesn't do things you don't want, though... obviously |
| 08:59.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | what version of debian is that? |
| 08:59.57 | telmich | CutMeOwnThroat: I ran aptitude |
| 09:00.06 | telmich | [10:57] tee:conf-enabled# LC_ALL=C aptitude why-not apache2-utils |
| 09:00.06 | telmich | Unable to find a reason to remove apache2-utils. |
| 09:00.15 | Pinchiukas | Thanks, CutMeOwnThroat. |
| 09:00.16 | telmich | CutMeOwnThroat: testing |
| 09:00.35 | themill | telmich: CutMeOwnThroat means to use aptitude for your package management. "aptitude remove apache2.2-common" |
| 09:00.54 | telmich | ahh, you meant the remove, sorry |
| 09:00.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, you were removing those... automatically read "install" |
| 09:01.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | telmich, and yes, I meant run the remove line... |
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| 09:05.32 | telmich | ahh, libapache2-mod-php5 also needed to vanish |
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| 09:05.49 | kripz | which FS has the best recovery tools for when the FS is corrupt? |
| 09:05.53 | telmich | cool, I thought there's no real reason to use uptitude, since apt-get remembers why a package was installed |
| 09:06.02 | telmich | kripz: probably vfat |
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| 09:06.58 | themill | telmich: aptitude will still handle package management in a much better way a lot of the time. /msg dpkg why aptitude |
| 09:07.17 | telmich | themill: thanks for the pointer |
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| 09:07.54 | telmich | I tried aptitude some years ago, but went back to apt-get, as it was much faster |
| 09:08.08 | themill | telmich: it also gives *much* better messages telling you what's going on and why which makes it possible to deal with situations like this. |
| 09:08.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | argh |
| 09:08.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | not only start both your nicks with t and are of same length, my client also colors them in the same color |
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| 09:09.25 | themill | /nick TheSomethingMillWithReallyLongNick |
| 09:10.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | rite |
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| 09:14.10 | telmich | CutMeOwnThroat: rofl |
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| 09:56.46 | chilli0 | Hello. I am setting up a samba server just for a week that will be hosting my home directory. However I use to have my music and movies mounted over samba into my home directory. So how can I make my samba share have thoes folders in them? I tried a symoblic link but that didn't work because it looked for the link on my system not from the server. |
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| 10:03.47 | easyfit | I have a directory listing like this: drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 588K Sep 16 11:59 www/ - what I don't get is how can a folder be 588k large? aren't they all supposed to be about 4k? |
| 10:06.05 | Digdilem | easyfit, it stores the records for the files within so grows with the more files it contains |
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| 10:06.53 | easyfit | ah, so the filesystem basically caches the file listing in the directory inode? |
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| 10:09.37 | Digdilem | something like that. I'm not up on the details, only know that dirs with more files 'grow' |
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| 10:12.24 | pkkm | I chose "Internet site" during postfix installation. How to change it to "Satellite system" without deleting configuration files? |
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| 10:14.41 | easyfit | Digdilem, gotcha, thanks |
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| 10:16.54 | stew | pkkm: dpkg-reconfigure postfix |
| 10:17.09 | pkkm | stew, thanks |
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| 10:20.13 | stew | easyfit: no, i don't believe there is caching. I believe that what you are seeing is that a directory is really a list of filenames and other stuff, so the more files in the directory, the more space on disk it takes to store a directory. depending on the filesystem and the filesystem settings, its going to be using 4k quanta of space |
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| 10:20.30 | jil | hello |
| 10:20.53 | stew | easyfit: so a directory with 5 files in it might take 4096 bytes. but yours with 588k might have more like 1500 files |
| 10:21.11 | stew | <-- making random guesses |
| 10:25.15 | easyfit | well yeah you're right it's probably not really a cache since it is the actual record of the contents... I supposed that record has to be in the directory inode for the whole tree structure to work... haven't thought much about it before |
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| 10:35.44 | jel | Dropped my portable hd yesterday, from top of towercase to floor. dmesg says "[sdf] Attached SCSI disk", but cfdisk /dev/sdf fails with "cannot read drive". Ideas? |
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| 10:36.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | "buy a new drive" |
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| 10:36.40 | jelly | "contact a professional data recovery service" |
| 10:37.16 | jel | That seems a bit excessive at this point. Not even sure the drive is damaged yet. |
| 10:37.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | this is an association game, right? |
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| 10:37.47 | jelly | sausage |
| 10:38.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | jel, the usb will attach as long the electronics in the drive is no damaged, I think even when the disks inside it are shreddered |
| 10:38.50 | stew | you got that from "sausage" ? |
| 10:39.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, pretty amazing, huh? |
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| 10:40.39 | wrksx | I often get the file explorer to stop and then I'm not able to browse files from the graphic interface anymore. It only happens when browsing mounted (with the help of the grphic interface) distant directories. How can I get it restarted or working again without restarting graphical interface ? |
| 10:41.16 | wrksx | I mean without logout or restarting computer |
| 10:43.04 | jel | wrksx, by "distant", do you mean remote ssh or similar? You could try sshfs instead, or look at the ssh faq for details of fixing ssh timeouts |
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| 10:44.18 | wrksx | jel, yes exactly, remote ssh |
| 10:44.39 | wrksx | jel, is sshfs a package ? |
| 10:44.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | wrksx, kill the ssh... |
| 10:44.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | that makes the connection |
| 10:45.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | your browser is waiting for it to reply (or a timeout) and it's dead |
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| 10:45.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | wrksx, you also might like the option -o reconnect to sshfs |
| 10:46.25 | wrksx | CutMeOwnThroat, what about ssh-agent ? |
| 10:46.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno, never used that |
| 10:46.51 | arcsky | guys i installed mysqld and all got totally fucked up. why doesnt all mysqld files gets deleted after apt-get remove purge mysqld.... ? |
| 10:47.03 | arcsky | i want all conf files gone |
| 10:47.10 | wrksx | CutMeOwnThroat, it's a running process on my machine |
| 10:47.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | using private/public keys to make connects passwordless depending on trust in the machines |
| 10:47.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell arcsky -about confmiss |
| 10:49.04 | jel | arcsky, it's annoying, yes, but you'll find there are more mysql packages responsible for the remaining files. mysql-common I think |
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| 10:49.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | arcsky, apt-get remove purge doesn't exist - you meant --purge |
| 10:50.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I think the databases aren't touched anyway, they're really user-data and you're responsible for them... |
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| 10:51.51 | jel | CutMeOwnThroat, I seem to remember a debconf question about whether uninstalling a DB should also remove the databases. That might be pg or something though. |
| 10:52.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | mabbe |
| 10:52.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | never completely removed a database - it's got data! |
| 10:53.03 | arcsky | any msqld guru here? "ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES)" |
| 10:53.49 | TimSmall | [OT] anyone happen to have a sunsolv account - I have a Sun-OEM Seagate SATA drive in my box, and Oracle won't let you download the firmware without coughing up some cash for a support contract. grr. Anyway if anyone's feeling charitable, then the magic patch number is #142798-02 |
| 10:54.40 | TimSmall | Oops, sorry just saw #debian-offtopic .... |
| 10:57.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | you entered the wrong password for the mysql root account? |
| 10:57.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | !I forgot mysql root password |
| 10:57.34 | dpkg | If you've forgotten the <MySQL> root password, /etc/init.d/mysql stop; mysqld --skip-grant-tables; mysql -u root; use mysql; UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('mynewpassword') WHERE User='root'; FLUSH PRIVILEGES; C-d; stop mysqld; /etc/init.d/mysql start, or http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/resetting-permissions.html, or <mysql initial password> |
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| 11:05.25 | Baughn | What's the appropriate kernel parameter to have the default initrd find the right root partition? |
| 11:05.38 | Baughn | It's stuck on "waiting for root device" |
| 11:06.04 | Baughn | I can see right above it that sda1 is in fact identified |
| 11:06.08 | TimSmall | Baughn: That depends. |
| 11:06.25 | TimSmall | root=uid=... |
| 11:06.34 | TimSmall | is most common these days. |
| 11:06.39 | TimSmall | get the |
| 11:06.41 | Baughn | I have no clue what its UUID might be |
| 11:06.50 | TimSmall | uuid from tune2fs -l |
| 11:06.55 | Baughn | It's /dev/sda1. That should suffice. |
| 11:07.01 | TimSmall | root=/dev/sda1 |
| 11:07.08 | Baughn | The busybox shell from the initrd doesn't have tune2fs |
| 11:07.31 | Baughn | If I use that, I get "sda1: couldn't mount because of unsupported optional features" |
| 11:07.35 | TimSmall | use root=/dev/sda1 for now, then find the uuid when you've got it up and running again... |
| 11:07.50 | TimSmall | have you downgraded your kernel? |
| 11:07.53 | chilli0 | Hello. I am setting up a samba server just for a week that will be hosting my home directory. However I use to have my music and movies mounted over samba into my home directory. So how can I make my samba share have thoes folders in them? I tried a symoblic link but that didn't work because it looked for the link on my system not from the server. |
| 11:07.54 | Baughn | No |
| 11:08.07 | Baughn | Oh, wait. Ext3-fs.. |
| 11:08.11 | Baughn | The root partition is ext4 |
| 11:08.24 | TimSmall | Are you trying to mount an ext4 filesystem as ext3. |
| 11:08.32 | Baughn | Not that I know of |
| 11:08.53 | TimSmall | Sounds like that's what's happening to me... |
| 11:08.58 | Baughn | Unless you're going to tell me that the default debian kernel doesn't /support/ ext4.. |
| 11:09.01 | Baughn | ... |
| 11:09.04 | Baughn | "2.6.26"? -_-; |
| 11:09.24 | jelly | Baughn: that is correct. |
| 11:09.31 | TimSmall | Maybe the initrd doesn't have the ext4 module, or it's not been loaded |
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| 11:09.49 | jelly | no, 2.6.26 really doesn't support ext4. |
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| 11:10.19 | jelly | 2.6.32 from backports.debian.org, however, does. |
| 11:10.32 | Baughn | ..backports? |
| 11:10.38 | Baughn | Isn't lenny the newest? |
| 11:10.54 | TimSmall | Lenny is the current stable release. |
| 11:11.11 | jelly | Baughn: lenny is the current release, yes. It did not support ext4 at the time. |
| 11:11.13 | TimSmall | backports contains newer packages which have been backported to Lenny... |
| 11:11.33 | Baughn | jelly: "At the time", but surely it.. would have been updated... |
| 11:11.38 | Baughn | Oh, no. Of course it wouldn't be. |
| 11:11.59 | Baughn | 2.6.26 still has severe kernel bugs, I can't use /that/ |
| 11:12.11 | Baughn | sighs. Fine, let's do this the hard way. Where did I put that flash disk.. |
| 11:12.33 | jelly | Baughn: Debian typically fixes "severe kernel bugs" in their tree. |
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| 11:13.13 | TimSmall | Baughn: check the changelog |
| 11:13.14 | Stummi | somebody here with qemulator on testing? On starting it seems to freeze here |
| 11:13.24 | jelly | Baughn: do not assume the debian kernel has the same bug set as vanilla 2.6.26.x |
| 11:13.57 | jel | FWIW, the dropped portable drive issue was that the sata connection came out, inside the case. |
| 11:14.10 | jelly | Baughn: /msg dpkg ext4 |
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| 11:15.27 | Baughn | TimSmall: Right. Debian's 2.6.26 does /not/ support ATA TRIM. |
| 11:15.44 | TimSmall | Baughn: There is an ext4dev module in lenny. |
| 11:15.54 | cerpintaxt | i wanna install this package http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/zsnes via aptitude, but aptitude isnt finding it. i am using testing with main contrib non-free in the sources.list file - what am i doign wrong? |
| 11:16.01 | Baughn | TimSmall: Experimental ext4 support is nice and all, but.. not really. |
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| 11:16.42 | Baughn | TimSmall: ATA TRIM needs to be supported, and I'd rather not use an unsupported, backported setup. I'll have a look at ubuntu's server version. |
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| 11:16.52 | TimSmall | Baughn: OK, but if you just need to get the box up to fix things, and install a newer kernel, it might be an easy option is what I was thinking. |
| 11:16.57 | cerpintaxt | ok, found the error, my architechture is not supported -.- |
| 11:17.05 | Baughn | TimSmall: Right, sorry, not it. |
| 11:17.09 | TimSmall | Baughn: I use ext4 with trim on Debian Squeeze BTW... |
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| 11:19.14 | TimSmall | Baughn: This box has ext4 on / and btrfs on /home with TRIM on an Intel SSD. With rsnapshot backing it all up frequently to ext3 on a spinning disk.... |
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| 11:20.54 | Baughn | TimSmall: I'm trying to install something that will keep working for years without physical presence, not an experimental setup. :P |
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| 11:21.01 | Baughn | And definitely not an unsupported one. |
| 11:23.21 | TimSmall | Baughn: Well, in that case, I'd probably not use ext4 on any distro just yet... |
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| 11:24.20 | jelly | I'd trust Debian + custom kernel over probably anything else, but I'm biased |
| 11:24.42 | TimSmall | Baughn: If you have an SSD in the box, then I'd just put up with ext3 for the timebeing, and migrate it to ext4 in a year or so... |
| 11:25.21 | TimSmall | Baughn: The ext4/btrfs box is my own workstation. I wouldn't use either of those filesystems on servers just yet.... |
| 11:25.36 | jelly | then again, I tried ext4 on a less important server and it was buggy |
| 11:26.10 | jelly | btrfs doesn't even have a fixed disk format yet, does it |
| 11:26.18 | TimSmall | jelly: Well, Redhat's kernel engineering team is pretty good it's just most of the rest of the distro that is a PITA on a day-to-day basis. |
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| 11:26.54 | jelly | TimSmall: tytso maintains e2fsprogs and answers bug reports in Debian |
| 11:27.25 | TimSmall | jelly: I think it does now, doesn't it? Or at least guaranteed backwards-compatibility I think. |
| 11:27.55 | jelly | oh, that's progress I guess |
| 11:28.12 | Baughn | jelly: When did you find that ext4 was buggy? |
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| 11:28.45 | jelly | Baughn: around .30 and .31 |
| 11:29.00 | Baughn | jelly: Okay. Buggy in what sense? |
| 11:29.09 | jelly | spontaneous remount-ro buggy |
| 11:29.45 | jelly | people on #ext4 and #linuxfs said the issue was hard to debug |
| 11:30.26 | TimSmall | My personal algorithm for when a filesystem is ready is to wait for a mainstream distro to make it the distro default filesystem, then wait 3-6 months for the dust to settle. Has ubuntu made ext4 default yet? |
| 11:30.45 | jelly | TimSmall: I'll wait for RHEL, kthx ;-) |
| 11:30.49 | the-dude | TimSmall: in LTS yes |
| 11:31.16 | jelly | ubuntu doesn't strike me as having enough competency to choose stable components |
| 11:31.56 | TimSmall | the-dude: Hmm, that was April 2010, so getting close to 6 months now. |
| 11:32.04 | jelly | anyway, I might try it again in 2011 |
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| 11:32.34 | SerajewelKS | ubuntu also made pulseaudio the default sound system, don't forget that |
| 11:32.51 | AnthLee | ubuntu is about as stable as a tightrope .. |
| 11:32.52 | jelly | we used ext3 very early on, while it was still patches in people/sct/ |
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| 11:33.03 | AnthLee | hold on and pray is a pretty good policy when dealing with it :P |
| 11:33.12 | TimSmall | It's worth noting that Debian 6, RHEL6, and Ubuntu 10.04 all use 2.6.32 as their kernel. Also that Ubuntu launched 6 months ago, and the other two will probably be in 6 month's time.... |
| 11:33.42 | jelly | and upstream has promised to support it for a while |
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| 11:34.33 | TimSmall | With all 3 distros + upstream behind it, it'll probably be pretty stable release... Just not quite yet. |
| 11:35.47 | AnthLee | hmm |
| 11:35.56 | AnthLee | reportbug is broken :( |
| 11:36.23 | TimSmall | I wonder how widespread ipv6 will be by the time that Squeeze+1 is released. |
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| 11:37.14 | TimSmall | 6RD only went into upstream as of 2.6.33 |
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| 11:38.12 | Baughn | notes that the Debian ISO amd64 torrent is /dead/ |
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| 11:38.40 | AnthLee | reportbug is broken ... how the hell am I suppose to report that ! |
| 11:38.41 | AnthLee | lol |
| 11:38.58 | Baughn | AnthLee: Install an earlier version? |
| 11:39.06 | TimSmall | Baughn: You probably don't want it anyway, just use a netinst iso. Much quicker. |
| 11:39.06 | Baughn | Or use the web interface. :OP |
| 11:39.06 | burbas | Hi. Im running Debian v. 5.0.5 and can't find the libmpc-dev packet, can someone give me a hint on how to procede? |
| 11:39.14 | AnthLee | theres a web interface? |
| 11:39.16 | Baughn | TimSmall: No net access |
| 11:39.32 | poisonbit | AnthLee, by email |
| 11:39.42 | SerajewelKS | burbas: that package does not exist in lenny |
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| 11:39.53 | SerajewelKS | judd: versions libmpc-dev |
| 11:39.54 | judd | libmpc-dev -- sid: 0.8.2-1+b1; squeeze: 0.8.2-1+b1 |
| 11:39.58 | SerajewelKS | burbas: ^^ |
| 11:40.28 | burbas | SerajewelKS: ah :/ |
| 11:40.48 | poisonbit | AnthLee, you can report using an email see instructions at: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
| 11:41.01 | stew | burbas: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 11:41.11 | AnthLee | yeah I know but wheres my instructions on how to be less lazy -.- |
| 11:41.26 | poisonbit | take some coofe |
| 11:41.29 | poisonbit | :) |
| 11:41.31 | burbas | stew: ah. thanks |
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| 11:43.47 | cast | # pvcreate /dev/sdb -> Physical volume "/dev/sdb" successfully created |
| 11:44.18 | cast | # vgcreate wtf_move /dev/sdb -> No physical volume label read from /dev/sdb\n/dev/sdb not identified as an existing physical volume |
| 11:44.24 | cast | any idea wth is going on :( |
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| 11:46.29 | SerajewelKS | cast: have you tried yet by creating a partition /dev/sdb1 and making that a physical volume? i'm not sure why using the whole device wouldn't work, but i've always used partitions and had no problems. |
| 11:46.52 | SerajewelKS | cast: also, try passing --verbose to vgcreate and see if you get any additional output |
| 11:47.39 | cast | hmm, i did i did, creating a partition makes it work |
| 11:47.49 | SerajewelKS | weird |
| 11:47.54 | cast | but the whole device not working is a FUBAR situation :( |
| 11:48.00 | cast | its an iscsi device, |
| 11:48.06 | SerajewelKS | yeah that's odd, but not a show-stopper |
| 11:48.13 | SerajewelKS | using partitions is better for recovery anyway IIRC |
| 11:49.00 | SerajewelKS | anywho, bbl, this box is going down for a hardware upgrade |
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| 11:58.58 | J_P | hi all |
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| 12:02.11 | J_P | How is possible to mount a network dia via smb with normal user? with root not problem, but with normal user I have message: "mount error(1): Operation not permitted" |
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| 12:03.02 | easyfit | J_P, maybe you can use fuse? |
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| 12:03.51 | csotelo | hello people |
| 12:03.59 | cast | hello csotelo |
| 12:04.01 | csotelo | some of you has used gnupenal? |
| 12:04.19 | cast | it seems possible |
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| 12:05.08 | nsadmin | , versions gnupenal |
| 12:05.08 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'gnupenal' was found. |
| 12:05.20 | J_P | easyfit: how I use fuse? I would like mount in fs.. |
| 12:05.29 | J_P | easyfit: smbmount // .... |
| 12:05.39 | csotelo | I have a vps used for development.. I mean trac with subversion... the question will be about if is possible having a gnu panel installation with subversion and trac for a domain... |
| 12:06.07 | nsadmin | , versions gnupanal |
| 12:06.08 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'gnupanal' was found. |
| 12:06.08 | csotelo | judd gnupanel.. sorry.. is not in the repositories.. but has install scripts for debian :D |
| 12:06.38 | easyfit | J_P, google on it, I just know that fuse will let normal users mount filesystems, and that it supports a range of different filesystems |
| 12:06.39 | csotelo | nsadmin gnupanel |
| 12:06.48 | J_P | easyfit: ok |
| 12:06.57 | nsadmin | , versions gnupanel |
| 12:06.57 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'gnupanel' was found. |
| 12:07.34 | csotelo | there is not at the repos... but is build under debian systems.. or for debian systems |
| 12:07.49 | csotelo | some one who has work with it please.. |
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| 12:09.37 | nsadmin | it appears no one here is aware of the software |
| 12:10.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, gnup anal? |
| 12:10.36 | nsadmin | , versions gnup-anal |
| 12:10.37 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'gnup-anal' was found. |
| 12:10.51 | nsadmin | guess not :) |
| 12:11.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's a gnup anyway |
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| 12:13.54 | jelly | !gnupanel |
| 12:13.54 | dpkg | hmm... gnupanel is the GNU web hosting control panel - http://www.gnupanel.org. |
| 12:14.34 | csotelo | no one uses gnu penal.. i guess so.. becaus e is 100% debian compatible |
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| 12:17.29 | jelly | csotelo: if it's not present in Debian, you're not going to find many people here able to help |
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| 12:18.11 | AnthLee | I am always skeptical of things that install with scripts |
| 12:18.15 | csotelo | jelly}.ok thaks a lot |
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| 12:23.02 | Baughn | wonders why there's still a MTA in the default install |
| 12:23.19 | abrotman | !why an mta |
| 12:23.20 | dpkg | An MTA should be on most Unix(ish) systems to provide a way for various services to deliver asynchronous system or error messages. This includes things like cron and at (to give you the output of jobs) and various daemons (e.g. the init script of MySQL). The MTA does not have to listen to network ports so spam and security issues are largely irrelevant. See also <nullmailer>. |
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| 12:24.21 | vyi | hey, my mc windows shows ááá chars in the frame all around, any way to fix that? |
| 12:25.46 | themill | vyi: make sure encoding for locale, terminal and font are consistent; /msg dpkg ssh linedraw |
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| 12:35.59 | vyi | themill: its already on en_US UTF-8 |
| 12:36.09 | vyi | themill: locales i mean |
| 12:36.37 | themill | that doesn't exactly establish consistency for all the settings. |
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| 12:38.03 | vyi | themill: hmm dpkg says i should edit putty font settings aswell, but i have a diffrent en_US utf-8 machine and marks are fine there, thats why i dont think its a putty setting |
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| 12:38.45 | Lantizia | Hey does Lenny come with VMI enabled? |
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| 12:41.29 | lxsameer | how can i build a package using its dsc |
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| 12:44.22 | the-dude | lxsameer: dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us -sa -rfakeroot |
| 12:44.47 | lxsameer | the-dude, thanks |
| 12:44.48 | nsadmin | dpkg-source -x whatever.dsc |
| 12:44.54 | nsadmin | then it creates a dir |
| 12:44.57 | nsadmin | cd in there |
| 12:45.03 | nsadmin | and run the buildpackage |
| 12:45.50 | nsadmin | if I were you I'd put the .dsc, the .tar.gz and the .diff.gz in a freshly empty dir first |
| 12:46.27 | the-dude | lxsameer: or use pdebuild |
| 12:46.51 | nsadmin | doesn't that make a chroot? |
| 12:48.49 | the-dude | building the package in een clean enviroment |
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| 12:55.47 | sherl0ck | hey, so i replaced a harddrive in a raid/lvm setup, and now when i shutdown, i get stdout log messages of missing /dev/dm-4 VM groups. where can i find the reference to this dm-4 in configuration files? everything works fine |
| 12:56.10 | sherl0ck | and what are /dev/dm-#'s ? |
| 12:56.16 | cast | and when you replaced it did you add it back into the array? |
| 12:56.41 | sherl0ck | yes cat /proc/mdadm is fine |
| 12:56.56 | sherl0ck | mdstat* |
| 12:56.59 | cast | # udevinfo -q all -n /dev/dm-4 might help |
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| 12:57.14 | cast | what does /proc/mdstat say :) |
| 12:58.44 | sherl0ck | cast: so udevinfo, gives me to thinking its a UUID thing |
| 12:59.30 | sherl0ck | and its a lvm issue, not mdadm |
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| 13:01.23 | cast | ok. |
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| 13:02.33 | sherl0ck | question, how can i capture the stdout when i shutdown? is that put into log file, if so where at? |
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| 13:08.38 | Dassu | sherl0ck: > file |
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| 13:10.03 | sherl0ck | Dassu: > file, when i shutdown the text scroll to fast to read, i dont understand how a > redirect would wrk here? |
| 13:10.49 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 13:15.53 | poisonbit | Dassu, maybe hacking tty1 on inittab ? I don't know really |
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| 13:16.23 | AlexC_ | morning |
| 13:16.29 | poisonbit | Dassu, the idea is to change 1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1 |
| 13:16.35 | AlexC_ | when using 'useradd' command, is there a way to set the default permissions for their home directory? |
| 13:16.45 | poisonbit | but I'm not sure if STDOUT is detached or something like and will work or not |
| 13:17.19 | poisonbit | AlexC_, there is a --no-create-home option |
| 13:17.40 | AlexC_ | poisonbit: yes, there is - how does that help set the default permissions? |
| 13:17.40 | abrotman | AlexC_: use adduser |
| 13:17.57 | jordanm | AlexC_: you should use useradd, and have a look at man adduser.conf |
| 13:18.03 | AlexC_ | abrotman: afaik this can't be used without user interaction, or am I mistaken? |
| 13:18.50 | abrotman | AlexC_: just to prompt for a password .. is that too much ? |
| 13:18.54 | poisonbit | AlexC_, the --no-create-come, could help aliasing adduser to a function that creates things as you need, but I think it's better to check UMASK, pam-umask, etc |
| 13:19.01 | abrotman | there is a --disabled-password |
| 13:19.33 | AlexC_ | abrotman: yes it's within a script with an automatically generated password. Are you suggesting to use --disabled-password and then 'passwd' after? |
| 13:19.35 | jordanm | poisonbit: you can override umask with DIR_MODE |
| 13:19.48 | poisonbit | a new thing for me |
| 13:20.03 | jordanm | AlexC_: how did you plan to set the password otherwise? using expect? |
| 13:20.06 | abrotman | AlexC_: that's one possibility .. or you oculd use keys instead (that option allows you to use keys even if there is no passwd) |
| 13:20.24 | AlexC_ | abrotman: keys as in SSH keys? |
| 13:20.37 | AlexC_ | jordanm: useradd lets you specify a password |
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| 13:21.43 | jordanm | I would be inclined to use useradd with a proper umask in that case |
| 13:21.57 | poisonbit | /etc/adduser.conf:DIR_MODE=0755 |
| 13:21.59 | poisonbit | oh |
| 13:22.16 | AlexC_ | jordanm: I was thinking the same; though does setting the umask effect files that they create afterwards - or purely for the creation of the directory? |
| 13:22.20 | AlexC_ | poisonbit: that's for adduser :) |
| 13:22.52 | jordanm | AlexC_: only for the creation of the directory. the files they create will be affected by *their* umask |
| 13:22.59 | AlexC_ | ah, most excellent |
| 13:23.05 | AlexC_ | I'll give this a try then |
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| 13:25.25 | poisonbit | AlexC_, I remembar pam having some parameters about home creation, in machines conected to active directory |
| 13:25.30 | poisonbit | pam_mkhomedir (8) - PAM module to create users home directory |
| 13:25.48 | poisonbit | it's not for useradd i think |
| 13:25.52 | AlexC_ | I'll take a look at that too |
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| 13:26.11 | AlexC_ | ah no, that's for creating it when it does not yet exist |
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| 13:27.55 | poisonbit | useradd: "By default, no home directories are created." |
| 13:28.04 | poisonbit | :) |
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| 13:29.45 | abrotman | AlexC_: yes, ssh keys |
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| 13:30.30 | AlexC_ | abrotman: yeah, not possible for us unfortunately |
| 13:30.43 | abrotman | keys are bad! |
| 13:31.10 | dvs | mkay |
| 13:31.10 | AlexC_ | if you think so |
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| 13:32.00 | iglu | i'd like to configure wpa_supplicant to use dhcp for my home network, and ppp for a network at uni. any suggestions? |
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| 13:33.56 | jordanm | iglu: I believe that network-manager will allow to assign configurations based on the essid in use. it also has a plugin for ppp |
| 13:35.05 | poisonbit | AlexC_, maybe something like: adduser --gecos 'Users' --disabled-password "$user"; echo "$user":"$pass" | chpasswd # $HOME with pam_mkhomedir |
| 13:35.07 | ma3x | how to check if all the files belonging to the net-tools package (/bin/netstat for example) are original, not modified or hacked |
| 13:35.20 | abrotman | ma3x: debsums |
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| 13:36.11 | AlexC_ | poisonbit: aye that's true |
| 13:36.35 | iglu | isn't network-manager just a front end for various utilities like wpa_supplicant, ppp etc? |
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| 13:37.26 | jordanm | iglu: it is a configuration utility, not sure if it uses existing tools in the background, but good chance it does |
| 13:38.24 | ma3x | thanks abrotman |
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| 13:38.39 | johnfg | hi guys |
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| 13:39.13 | johnfg | I'm using lenny as my openvpn server. |
| 13:39.18 | iglu | i've just had problems with it not always connecting to networks, compared to a good configuration which seems to always connect |
| 13:39.38 | johnfg | What command do I use to find out what ip addresses it's giving out to clients? |
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| 13:41.09 | abrotman | johnfg: wouldn't that be your dhcp server? |
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| 13:41.41 | johnfg | abrotman, Don't know...does openvpn server call dhcp server? |
| 13:42.05 | johnfg | If so, how would I find out what ip's it's giving to clients? |
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| 13:42.32 | yopyop | hello, how can i know dpkg settings for package installed on a system ? |
| 13:43.18 | nsadmin | not sure, |
| 13:43.25 | nsadmin | but try dpkg --help |
| 13:43.40 | jelly | ,info pigz --release squeeze |
| 13:43.41 | judd | pigz (utils, extra): Parallel Implementation of GZip. Version: 2.1.6-1; Size: 27.8k; Installed: 108k; Homepage: http://zlib.net/pigz/ |
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| 13:44.44 | abrotman | yopyop: the dpkg settings? |
| 13:45.18 | abrotman | johnfg: uhm, /var/cache/dhcp-server/leases/ ? .. i can't recall off the top of my head |
| 13:45.24 | yopyop | i'm using fai to deploy debian and i can't remember how i get settings for a package in order to get an auto setup of the package |
| 13:45.39 | johnfg | abrotman, Let me check... |
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| 13:45.55 | qq- | yopyop, > #fai |
| 13:46.01 | abrotman | johnfg: it's probably specified in your dhcpserver config file if that's what it is using |
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| 13:46.56 | yopyop | qq-, #fai unavailable and my question is about dpkg, so i found legit to ask it here |
| 13:47.06 | qq- | on oftc , sry |
| 13:48.23 | themill | yopyop: by "dpkg settings" you perhaps mean debconf -- debconf-get-selections is your friend |
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| 13:49.40 | yopyop | themill, thanks that's what i was looking for. |
| 13:50.31 | johnfg | abrotman, Nope, that's not it. It doesn't use dhcp. |
| 13:51.04 | abrotman | johnfg: ideally, it would be in /var/ .. somewhere |
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| 13:53.22 | johnfg | abrotman, It's got to keep them somewhere so it doesn't reassign ip's already in use. |
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| 13:53.47 | johnfg | I looked under var, but am not seeing anything that looks like it. |
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| 13:54.47 | abrotman | wonders how many coon cats jimcooncat has ... |
| 13:54.58 | dukebody | hi, does anybody know why python-gnome2-extras is available for lenny and sid but not for squeeze? |
| 13:56.13 | jordanm | !why is python-gnome2-extras not in testing |
| 13:56.13 | dpkg | python-gnome2-extras is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=python-gnome2-extras |
| 13:56.35 | dukebody | jordanm: thanks |
| 13:56.38 | abrotman | it's not in sid ? |
| 13:56.41 | jimcooncat | abrotman: none. I am a cooncat. Cooncats don't like competition. |
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| 13:56.51 | Muisje | !dpkg backup |
| 13:56.51 | dpkg | [backup] something you should do *ALWAYS*... if you value your sh*t in the least. Otherwise eons of built-up data can go BYE BYE FOREVER one day if you do not; either by HD malfunction, intentional evil by crackers, mischievous glak elves invading your system, or large magnets getting out of hand. Pay the dollars for a tape system or CDR and use <tar> (optionally with bzip2 at lowest compression). See <things to backup>. |
| 13:56.55 | jordanm | !why is gnome-python-extras not in testing |
| 13:56.56 | dpkg | gnome-python-extras is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=gnome-python-extras |
| 13:56.57 | abrotman | !tell Muisje about msg the bot |
| 13:57.13 | abrotman | dukebody: it's not really in sid .. m68k doesn't count |
| 13:57.13 | Muisje | !dpkg things to backup |
| 13:57.13 | dpkg | Some things you should back up include: /etc /home /root /usr/local /usr/src /opt /srv. Tailor to your own purposes. If you think you don't need /var, make sure you don't forget /var/lib/dpkg /var/lib/apt* /var/lib/mysql /var/spool/mail /var/www /var/cache/debconf /var/spool/cron ... |
| 13:57.17 | abrotman | Muisje: MSG THE BOT |
| 13:57.18 | dukebody | ah ok |
| 13:57.31 | dukebody | what is weird is that it's in stable but not in testing |
| 13:57.41 | abrotman | dukebody: probably superceded by something else |
| 13:57.41 | dukebody | guess it's not compatible with newer versions of something |
| 13:57.57 | abrotman | dukebody: you could look for the removals reason if you wanted to know perhaps |
| 13:58.10 | dukebody | where can I look for that info? |
| 13:58.14 | jordanm | I don't see it as being removed |
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| 13:58.18 | abrotman | dukebody: moment, i'll see what i can see |
| 13:58.25 | jordanm | ,versions python-gnome2-extras |
| 13:58.27 | judd | python-gnome2-extras -- etch: 2.14.3-1; lenny: 2.19.1-3.1 |
| 13:58.38 | abrotman | it doesn't show as being removed, but it's gone |
| 13:58.57 | jordanm | ,rprovides python-gnome2-extras --release sid |
| 13:59.03 | jimcooncat | what is a simple irc server I can set up behind my company's firewall? |
| 13:59.04 | judd | Sorry, no packages provide 'python-gnome2-extras' in sid/i386. |
| 13:59.28 | jordanm | jimcooncat: for internal use? |
| 13:59.50 | abrotman | dukebody: ah, it was split apart |
| 13:59.51 | abrotman | dukebody: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=sourcenames&keywords=gnome-python-extras |
| 14:00.14 | jimcooncat | jordanm: yes, no outside trolls, just our own |
| 14:00.27 | dukebody | abrotman: ok, thanks |
| 14:00.39 | dukebody | not easy to figure out if you don't know how to use debian info tools... |
| 14:02.31 | iglu | johnfg: cheers, i found nmcli and NetworkManager.conf |
| 14:02.31 | jordanm | jimcooncat: sure you don't want XMPP? |
| 14:03.02 | jimcooncat | or can someone point me to a website where it lists different types of software and popularity? So I can answer these kind of questions myself |
| 14:03.19 | jimcooncat | jordanm: I'm not familiar with xmpp or any other irc servers |
| 14:03.24 | themill | dpkg: tell jimcooncat about popcon |
| 14:03.27 | jimcooncat | looks up xmpp |
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| 14:03.35 | themill | (as a partial answer to popularity, at least) |
| 14:05.11 | jimcooncat | themill: thanks, but it doesn't seem too user friendly |
| 14:05.55 | abrotman | jimcooncat: it's an IM client |
| 14:05.59 | jimcooncat | jordanm: for xmpp I'd need something other than xchat, correct? |
| 14:06.09 | abrotman | jimcooncat: yes .. but you can use something like pidgin |
| 14:06.41 | abrotman | jimcooncat: and the XMPP allows you to do offline messaging .. like that email thing |
| 14:07.34 | abrotman | jimcooncat: jabber is a pretty neat protocol .. |
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| 14:08.04 | jimcooncat | hmm. I was thinking that something like xchat (or whatever) would work better here -- I don't want to make adding yahoo or msn too obvious to the workers. you can feel the productivity draining |
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| 14:08.44 | themill | jimcooncat: because IRC's not the perfect way to destroy productivity... |
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| 14:09.28 | jimcooncat | themill: I don't think it would be too bad if it was closed, and I turned off pm's |
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| 14:09.59 | jimcooncat | we're a very small office |
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| 14:17.06 | jimcooncat | so I see these packages, any opinions? ircd-ircu, ircd-ratbox, dancer-ircd, ircd-irc2, ircd-hybrid, ngircd |
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| 14:22.25 | uwjweq | How to let me user have acess to the status leds of the keyboard? |
| 14:22.50 | johnfg | OK, I didn't read the server.conf closely. The file, in case anyone else wants to know, is /etc/openvpn/openvpn-status.log/ |
| 14:23.04 | johnfg | Without the trailing slash. |
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| 14:37.22 | FlashDeluxe | Hi! I have a RAID 1 with mdadm and one of the disks got a headcrash, now the system doesn`t boot with the second disk :( What do i have to do, to make it boot? |
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| 14:41.58 | karlpinc | FlashDeluxe: You need to tell grub to get it's info off the other disk. "info grub" should say how. (IIRC you type "grub" then use the root command....) |
| 14:42.06 | karlpinc | s/'// |
| 14:42.34 | FlashDeluxe | but the other disk is broken |
| 14:43.10 | karlpinc | FlashDeluxe: Tell grub to go to the working disk. (The stuff there should be ok so long as /boot was raid1-ed.) |
| 14:44.40 | FlashDeluxe | in the working disk there is no grub installed, i think. There is no /boot folder :( |
| 14:45.08 | karlpinc | uwjweq: "aptitude search led" says ledcontrol or it's friends might work. YMMV. There are other choices. |
| 14:45.56 | karlpinc | FlashDeluxe: What partitions did you have and which (or which disks) were raided? |
| 14:46.36 | FlashDeluxe | 2 disks, both 500GB RAID1 with three partitions, lvm installed on it |
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| 14:47.23 | ksk | hello |
| 14:47.46 | ksk | im using "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata" to set the timezone of a fresh install - is there a non-interactive way to do that? |
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| 14:48.04 | karlpinc | FlashDeluxe: Ok. So you need to install grub in the mbr of the working disk, telling it to get it's 2nd stage boot loader off the working disk. You use the grub command to do this. (info grub or rtfm on the web) Boot off an install cd in rescue mode or use a live cd and chroot into your system to get the grub command to work. |
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| 14:48.38 | Lunar_Lamp | ksk: cp /usr/share/zoneinfo/FILE_YOU_WANT /etc/localtime |
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| 14:48.48 | ksk | thanks |
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| 14:49.07 | uwjweq | Meanwhile I have a lot of other problems. I can not use su anymore. I know I changed permissions to some files. Does that sound familiar to someone? |
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| 14:49.48 | FlashDeluxe | ok |
| 14:49.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | like... chmod u-s /bin/su? |
| 14:50.10 | redguy | uwjweq: su should be -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root |
| 14:50.18 | uwjweq | ok |
| 14:50.20 | redguy | uwjweq: the s part is important |
| 14:51.06 | karlpinc | uwjweq: If you have some idea which files you messed with that would help. |
| 14:51.48 | uwjweq | -rwxr-xr-- 1 root wheel 33112 6. Dez 2009 /bin/su |
| 14:52.03 | uwjweq | Thats the problem, no s and the group is wheel. |
| 14:52.08 | sep | uwjweq, if the commmands you ran is in your history buffer, you should savekeep them out for reference |
| 14:52.23 | uwjweq | ok |
| 14:52.39 | sep | uwjweq, also don't run commands you don't know what does and why |
| 14:52.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | with the possible exception of ls |
| 14:53.26 | uwjweq | I thought it should work as I intended. But I miscalculated. |
| 14:54.03 | karlpinc | uwjweq: There's always restoring a backup. |
| 14:54.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | karlpinc, what's a backup |
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| 14:55.08 | karlpinc | CutMeOwnThroat: Mythical activity that fixes everything! |
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| 14:55.52 | uwjweq | Indeed. YouÅe right. I gotta find out for myself |
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| 14:56.04 | uwjweq | np |
| 14:56.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | karlpinc, ah... it's a myth! Everyone's heard of it, but nobody's ever actually seen one :-P |
| 14:56.49 | starenka | hi how can increase number of opened files for user (root)? im trying to ab (apache benchmark) a site, but i can't really hit more than 1k simultaneous request, because i get socket: Too many open files |
| 14:56.50 | The_Machine | when i do sudo apt-get install nmap it asks me to insert a CD |
| 14:56.58 | The_Machine | how can i make it so it just grabs the files from the internet instead? |
| 14:57.03 | thewanderer1 | does kernel 2.6.32-5-amd64-openvz support cpulimit? |
| 14:57.16 | thewanderer1 | or only weighted CPU scheduler? |
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| 14:57.39 | starenka | The_Machine: just comment the line which says apt to use cd in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 14:57.46 | The_Machine | thanks :) |
| 14:57.56 | starenka | The_Machine: and aptitude update ofcourse |
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| 14:58.40 | uwjweq | Would have saved me a lot of time if you told me that you do not know the answer. |
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| 14:59.57 | starenka | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:00.05 | The_Machine | another one if you guys don't mind - how do i open SSH port in iptables on my debian box? |
| 15:00.06 | starenka | (bump sorry) |
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| 15:02.24 | vt | hi |
| 15:03.17 | cusco | hi |
| 15:03.22 | thewanderer1 | The_Machine: if you have closed it, you should have an idea on how to open it :P |
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| 15:03.49 | The_Machine | they all come closed by default, no? |
| 15:03.50 | cusco | on a fresh install... how can I make the monitor not sleep? |
| 15:04.01 | cusco | installed gnome-core and nvidia binary driver |
| 15:04.10 | thewanderer1 | The_Machine: no |
| 15:04.18 | vt | i'm trying to set up xen on a debian lenny with backports. I don't really understand xen yet, but I've got : https://xen.privatepaste.com/792e359c2a . Strangely, /etc/init.d/xend looks for /proc/xen. is there a compatiblity problem between 2.6.32-xen and xen3.2.1 ? |
| 15:04.33 | thewanderer1 | cusco: does the monitor sleep in X.org only or in console too? |
| 15:04.46 | jimcooncat | The_Machine: not on a fresh install |
| 15:04.49 | cusco | thewanderer1: I am not sure... |
| 15:04.58 | cusco | thewanderer1: I can't test it right now neither |
| 15:05.10 | cusco | its a informational screen, needed at the moment |
| 15:05.28 | thewanderer1 | then check 2 things: 0) does it sleep in console? 1) does it sleep with free drivers? |
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| 15:05.44 | cusco | thewanderer1: it did not sleep with nouveau |
| 15:06.04 | cusco | if sleeps in console.. what? |
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| 15:07.08 | thewanderer1 | cusco: if it sleeps in console, then the driver has also got your framebuffer... and then there are 2 possible reasons for sleeping: X.org driver OR framebuffer driver... I don't really know if nvidia driver provides that - haven't used NVIDIA for a year |
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| 15:08.08 | liran | -17:06:07- (liran) each time I ran a scan while i'm in SSH with this syntax the scan stopped without any warning or error and it disconnects me from the SSH: |
| 15:08.08 | liran | -17:06:08- (liran) nmap -n -p 80 -sS --open 217.132.0.0/16 -o results |
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| 15:16.29 | cusco | thewanderer1: what if it is only in xorg ?? |
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| 15:17.22 | thewanderer1 | cusco: then you look through x.org/nvidia bugs (you should do that anyway!) and find a workaround, or report that somewhere |
| 15:17.30 | thewanderer1 | try that with a different monitor, too, if possible |
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| 15:21.22 | cusco | hmm... |
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| 15:24.44 | thewanderer1 | it sometimes happens that binary drivers pick a wrong resolutions... well, I've seen that on Windows too |
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| 15:25.24 | ksx4system | is "wvdial" package included to Debian netinst CD? (installation without using packages from network, from CD only) |
| 15:26.56 | thewanderer1 | ksx4system: you can find the contents of media at the same place you find the images; if it's not included, you can always take that on a pendrive or "remaster" a CD |
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| 15:27.21 | thewanderer1 | just enter the 'list-cd' instead of 'iso-cd' directory |
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| 15:31.05 | The_Machine | i'm looking at apache2.conf and comparing it to the other apache server i'm trying to copy - i don't see a "DocumentRoot" though |
| 15:31.14 | The_Machine | sorry, i'm doing this for the first time |
| 15:33.13 | The_Machine | nm.. "includes" |
| 15:33.14 | SPF | The_Machine: look in /etc/apache2/sites-available |
| 15:33.14 | The_Machine | :) |
| 15:33.25 | The_Machine | didn't know what those were! |
| 15:33.26 | The_Machine | okay :) |
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| 15:39.14 | karlpinc | The_Machine: You probably want to read the README.Debian in /usr/share/doc/apache2* |
| 15:39.21 | The_Machine | thanks! |
| 15:39.45 | jimcooncat | The_Machine: you *could* do it on apache2.conf, but I think you'll find this new setup much more pleasant to work with |
| 15:40.58 | jimcooncat | realizes it's not new, but he's kinda slow on the uptake |
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| 15:59.15 | Burns | Hello |
| 15:59.23 | Burns | I still didn't solve the segment fault :/ |
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| 16:01.11 | thewanderer1 | Burns: you should probably install on a different machine and move the disks afterwards, then |
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| 16:02.27 | Burns | I did memtest, and it was good |
| 16:02.37 | Burns | Probably the new cpu having issues ? |
| 16:02.41 | Burns | or memtest is not 100% accurate? |
| 16:03.30 | thewanderer1 | often a custom program in C is better than memtest |
| 16:03.47 | thewanderer1 | but I also think it's the CPU |
| 16:03.55 | thewanderer1 | what kernel were you trying to install with? |
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| 16:04.45 | Burns | its a network install |
| 16:04.58 | thewanderer1 | yeah, but what kernel in the installer, in particular? |
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| 16:05.23 | Burns | didnt check |
| 16:05.49 | thewanderer1 | I don't know what kmuto provides now, but a few weeks ago someone having 2.6.30 from the installer was here, so I wouldn't count on those kernels being too current |
| 16:06.34 | thewanderer1 | if I were you, I would install on a different machine to the disks, then compile a custom kernel from kernel.org (+10 performance and +1 coolness, too!) and move the disk to the new machine |
| 16:06.49 | chupacabra | my wlan0 stopping issue was a power management issue. turned acp off and all is well |
| 16:06.55 | chupacabra | in sid |
| 16:07.14 | Burns | I still had feg fault in squeeze while doing apt-get sometimes too thewanderer1 |
| 16:07.26 | Burns | seg* |
| 16:07.33 | thewanderer1 | Burns: hmm... the newer kernel the better, in this case |
| 16:07.48 | Burns | I will try your suggestion |
| 16:07.48 | thewanderer1 | I hope I'm not gonna run into the same errors - deploying i3-530 here in a few days |
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| 16:08.04 | chupacabra | anybody got diaspora running? |
| 16:08.09 | thewanderer1 | well, Lenny runs just fine on Core i7 920 for me |
| 16:08.25 | Burns | and If It happens again in the other machine, then disks is the issue |
| 16:10.15 | Burns | I should also change the rams |
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| 16:11.15 | Burns | If i'm the first one with this issue, then probably it's not because of the cpu thewanderer1 |
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| 16:11.31 | thewanderer1 | Burns: yeah, true that |
| 16:11.41 | thewanderer1 | it could as well be a very specific hardware combination |
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| 16:11.54 | Burns | yea |
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| 16:12.41 | Burns | is it suggested to work in a segfault machine? |
| 16:13.06 | Burns | lets say i keep working using squeeze knowin i will be usin it as a webserver |
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| 16:13.51 | Burns | or it's better to fix it |
| 16:14.26 | D4rKr0W | The operation failed but no output was produced. < Great. |
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| 16:15.53 | Burns | Ubuntu have newer kernel in their stable version? |
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| 16:17.25 | D4rKr0W | thewanderer1: hetzner? |
| 16:17.32 | Burns | I gotta try try ubuntu too |
| 16:18.01 | D4rKr0W | Burns: fix it. |
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| 16:18.31 | thewanderer1 | D4rKr0W: er what? if that's a name of a hosting provider, then not |
| 16:18.35 | thewanderer1 | otherwise: not :P |
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| 16:19.31 | D4rKr0W | yeah, i've got a couple dedi machines there, i thought you might have too :P |
| 16:19.43 | D4rKr0W | i've been surprised on how popular they are lately |
| 16:19.54 | D4rKr0W | anyway, /ot |
| 16:20.00 | thewanderer1 | not at the hosting provider - actually I have one, in a rather strange place :P |
| 16:20.05 | thewanderer1 | yeah |
| 16:20.14 | Burns | the prices helped them |
| 16:20.47 | Burns | they have i7 930 cpus |
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| 16:21.24 | D4rKr0W | 930 cups? |
| 16:21.47 | Burns | cpu |
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| 16:22.00 | Burns | 920* |
| 16:22.14 | D4rKr0W | yeah, that's why i was trying to guess :) |
| 16:22.56 | SerajewelKS | man is it just me, or is level3 shitting out today? |
| 16:22.59 | mohamed-ragab | hi all i want to disable ssh on my VPS "use debian "for 3 user |
| 16:23.43 | SerajewelKS | mohamed-ragab: you're going to have to make more better englishes for us to ables hepl you |
| 16:24.23 | SerajewelKS | mohamed-ragab: if your goal is to uninstall the sshd, then "aptitude remove openssh-server" should suffice |
| 16:24.49 | mohamed-ragab | SerajewelKS, hi all i want to disable ssh for 3 user |
| 16:25.06 | SerajewelKS | mohamed-ragab: oh, you want to disallow three users from logging in using ssh |
| 16:25.07 | Burns | You can enable it only for a single user |
| 16:25.15 | Burns | Not only |
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| 16:25.21 | mohamed-ragab | SerajewelKS, Yes |
| 16:25.27 | Burns | but it's your choice |
| 16:25.42 | lewis222 | hey all - having problems with sudo, I keep getting this in my apache error log: sudo: no tty present and no askpass program specified |
| 16:25.55 | SerajewelKS | mohamed-ragab: you can use the sshd_config directives DenyGroups or DenyUsers to accomplish that. man sshd_config |
| 16:25.58 | lewis222 | I am trying to have Nagios Administrator restart nagios through the web interface. |
| 16:26.22 | lewis222 | my sudoers line is: %www-data ALL= NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/killall -HUP nagios3 |
| 16:26.24 | lewis222 | any ideas? |
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| 16:26.34 | xope | hi |
| 16:26.39 | SerajewelKS | mohamed-ragab: for example, you could create a group "nossh" and put those three users in the nossh group. then add "DenyGroups nossh" to your sshd_config, and restart sshd |
| 16:26.56 | thewanderer1 | lewis222: you have to use -S option for sudo to read from stdin |
| 16:27.10 | thewanderer1 | oh, you're not using password. try that anyway. |
| 16:27.12 | xope | ive just installed the debian stable and openarena-server, but it wont be found from the clients? |
| 16:27.26 | xope | clients are same version as the server 1.35 |
| 16:27.27 | lewis222 | this is being executed from a web script... |
| 16:27.40 | thewanderer1 | xope: you probably didn't set it to publish to the master |
| 16:27.57 | lewis222 | do I need to try and hack the web script? I have it working on another box with the same setup, so this is confusing... |
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| 16:28.26 | xope | thewanderer1, im testing this in a lan right now, typed in the ip directly but it wont connect |
| 16:28.31 | xope | host problem? |
| 16:28.51 | thewanderer1 | xope: firewall? |
| 16:29.08 | xope | nothing extra installed on the debian system |
| 16:29.24 | mohamed-ragab | SerajewelKS, i'm not install openssh-server is it true ? |
| 16:29.33 | thewanderer1 | so perhaps listening on the wrong interface... there are options for that, or for connection allowance at least, I think |
| 16:29.35 | SerajewelKS | mohamed-ragab: what? |
| 16:29.57 | xope | the server only has one interface |
| 16:30.03 | lewis222 | any other ideas gents? |
| 16:30.22 | thewanderer1 | lewis222: debug that as the www user if you want to get anywhere |
| 16:30.55 | jpinx-eeepc | mohamed-ragab: there is a multi-lingual irc channel at #debian-lb where I believe they speak arabic - if that would help |
| 16:32.16 | mohamed-ragab | SerajewelKS, i uninstalled "openssh-server" from my vps is it true ? |
| 16:32.27 | mohamed-ragab | SerajewelKS, i uninstalled "openssh-server" from my vps , is it true ? |
| 16:32.39 | xope | thewanderer1, think its the interface, the server says ip 127.0.1.1. ;)) |
| 16:32.41 | SerajewelKS | mohamed-ragab: i don't know, did you uninstall it? |
| 16:32.45 | lewis222 | I ran: sudo -u www-data /usr/bin/killall -HUP nagios3 |
| 16:32.51 | lewis222 | and got operation not permitted |
| 16:32.55 | thewanderer1 | xope: yeah, so it's probably that |
| 16:32.57 | mohamed-ragab | SerajewelKS, yes |
| 16:33.47 | thewanderer1 | lewis222: try sudo from the level of www-data, not executing the command as www-data |
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| 16:34.12 | SerajewelKS | mohamed-ragab: so reinstall it if you want openssh |
| 16:34.24 | lewis222 | thewanderer1: I'm sorry, how do I do that? |
| 16:34.38 | SerajewelKS | mohamed-ragab: also, it's not a good idea to run random commands that someone on IRC gives you, unless you understand what those commands do |
| 16:34.43 | thewanderer1 | lewis222: log on to www-data and execute sudo from there :P |
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| 16:37.31 | mohamed-ragab | SerajewelKS, see "http://pastebin.com/8tbUepwS" |
| 16:39.22 | thewanderer1 | what is the file extension for OO.o calc? |
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| 16:40.19 | lewis222 | thewanderer1: the command worked perfectly 'from the level of www-data' |
| 16:40.31 | lewis222 | so why isn't it working from apache, running as www-data? |
| 16:41.14 | SerajewelKS | mohamed-ragab: looks fine to me. that's not an error, it's telling you what it did. |
| 16:41.21 | mohamed-ragab | SerajewelKS, ! |
| 16:41.38 | SerajewelKS | thewanderer1: there is no single file extension. it supports multiple formats. |
| 16:41.42 | mohamed-ragab | SerajewelKS, oh thank you |
| 16:41.44 | thewanderer1 | lewis222: I don't know how you are executing it, but try to put that in your own simple PHP script and see how it works |
| 16:41.52 | thewanderer1 | SerajewelKS: I need the native OpenDocument one |
| 16:42.15 | thewanderer1 | as in odt for writer |
| 16:42.22 | themill | ods |
| 16:42.24 | SerajewelKS | thewanderer1: http://www.google.com/search?q=opendocument+spreadsheet+extension |
| 16:42.30 | thewanderer1 | thanks |
| 16:42.35 | SerajewelKS | thewanderer1: looks like OTS but i'm not sure |
| 16:42.59 | SerajewelKS | thewanderer1: nope, ods |
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| 16:43.26 | thewanderer1 | ok |
| 16:43.36 | SerajewelKS | thewanderer1: looks like the schema is oXY where X is the status of the document (d=document, t=template) and Y is the type (t=text, s=spreadsheet, etc) |
| 16:43.45 | SerajewelKS | thewanderer1: http://books.evc-cit.info/odbook/ch01.html has a handy table |
| 16:44.07 | thewanderer1 | alright, I just needed the string to type in the file search field :P |
| 16:44.14 | SerajewelKS | heh |
| 16:44.21 | SerajewelKS | well, giyf |
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| 16:47.42 | mohamed-ragab | SerajewelKS, can't find DenyGroups & Denyuser in sshd_config see the edit file 'sshd_config' in "http://pastebin.com/qXBLb3vk" |
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| 16:56.06 | patrakov | how to debug the fact that apache+php seems to use only one CPU core out of 8 available, no matter how much load I put onto them with siege? |
| 16:56.10 | LordVorp | my lenny system seems to be ignoring files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d ... what should I do to fix this? |
| 16:56.40 | jhutchins_lt | LordVorp: Possibly an include statement in sources.list? |
| 16:57.07 | LordVorp | jhutchins_lt: makes sense. link to example? |
| 16:57.18 | jhutchins_lt | LordVorp: man sources.list |
| 16:57.28 | LordVorp | k thx much |
| 16:58.08 | LordVorp | oooooh... it wants .list instead of .conf. |
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| 17:00.00 | jhutchins_lt | Ah, makes sense. |
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| 17:01.57 | LordVorp | i'm trying to get the emacs v23 from backports. the website sez, create /etc/apt/preferences and say Pin-Priority: 200 (which I did), but after an apt-get update, i still get 'emacs is already the newest version.' |
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| 17:02.54 | themill | LordVorp: the website also says to use: aptitude -t lenny-backports install "package" |
| 17:03.20 | jordanm | LordVorp: you have to explicilty tell it to install form backports. the pinning of 200, just allows for the packages you explicitly installed from backports, to also be upgraded from backports |
| 17:04.03 | LordVorp | ah, this cmdline gave me what I'd expected: apt-get -t lenny-backports upgrade |
| 17:04.26 | themill | LordVorp: no, you don't want to do that |
| 17:04.49 | LordVorp | not DOING it, just, saw the list of newer stuff when I did that. :) |
| 17:04.53 | LordVorp | I only want emacs |
| 17:05.04 | themill | LordVorp: that will upgrade every single package to the backports version and that's not a good plan. |
| 17:05.46 | liran | How i can remove IPV6 support from debian ? |
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| 17:07.01 | roe | liran, why? |
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| 17:09.07 | mms_ | debian install as guest on vbox stalls after choosing packages as desktop env, laptop and standard system. |
| 17:09.09 | mms_ | is there work around ? |
| 17:09.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell liran -about noipv6 |
| 17:09.51 | liran | roe it causing me problems to use nmap |
| 17:09.58 | SerajewelKS | mms_: ask #vbox maybe? |
| 17:10.02 | liran | always see this in dmesg |
| 17:10.03 | liran | IPv6 addrconf: prefix with wrong length 56 |
| 17:10.09 | liran | and then disconnets me from SSH |
| 17:10.14 | liran | only when i run a scan with n,ap |
| 17:10.16 | liran | nmap |
| 17:10.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, he said that gave him the package list of installed packages that are also in backports... not that he actually installed them all |
| 17:10.36 | SerajewelKS | liran: so tell nmap not to use ipv6 |
| 17:10.40 | roe | blacklisting the ipv6 module should do it, although I don't know what was in the factoid CutMeOwnThroat sent you |
| 17:10.54 | SerajewelKS | liran: no need to mess with the kernel |
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| 17:11.05 | liran | SerajewelKS dont know how to do it |
| 17:11.07 | elsego | buenas |
| 17:11.08 | elsego | buenas |
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| 17:11.29 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: that's your interpretation of "what I'd expected". It's not the only one. |
| 17:11.51 | SerajewelKS | liran: it should not be using ipv6 at all unless you pass it the -6 option |
| 17:12.18 | SerajewelKS | liran: if it is still causing problems then this may be an nmap bug |
| 17:12.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, look at the "not DOING it" line |
| 17:12.40 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: that was written after I'd said not to... |
| 17:12.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | right... asynchronous transfers... |
| 17:12.54 | jw | Hey, I'm almost certain that I've seen mysql server 5.1 in at least lenny, if not Etch, before, and today when I went to install it on Lenny, it doesn't seem to be in the repo. Does anyone know if it used to be there .... or was I imagining things? |
| 17:12.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | with races :) |
| 17:14.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions mysqld |
| 17:14.09 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'mysqld' was found. |
| 17:14.59 | dondelelcaro | judd: versions mysql-server-5.1 |
| 17:15.02 | judd | mysql-server-5.1 -- lenny-backports: 5.1.49-1~bpo50+1; sid: 5.1.49-1; squeeze: 5.1.49-1; experimental: 5.1.50-1 |
| 17:15.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions mysql-server |
| 17:15.12 | jw | oh - so it's in backports |
| 17:15.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | eh |
| 17:15.12 | judd | mysql-server -- etch: 5.0.32-7etch12; etch-security: 5.0.32-7etch12; etch-backports: 5.0.51a-24+lenny2~bpo40+1; lenny: 5.0.51a-24+lenny4; lenny-security: 5.0.51a-24+lenny4; lenny-backports: 5.1.47-1~bpo50+1; lenny-backports: 5.1.49-1~bpo50+1; sid: 5.1.49-1; squeeze: 5.1.49-1; experimental: 5.1.50-1 |
| 17:15.20 | dondelelcaro | jw: as you can see, if you had it, it was in backports, or you were looking at 5.0 |
| 17:15.26 | jw | thanks :) |
| 17:15.55 | dondelelcaro | and this is the point when I tell you that you should be using postgresql instead. ;-) |
| 17:16.07 | roe | is there reasoning for why the bot is named judd? |
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| 17:16.22 | jw | yes, I know that already :) but alas, I'm not in control of what all the programmers have already done |
| 17:16.22 | Dagger2 | liran: I don't think getting 'IPv6 addrconf: prefix with wrong length 56' in dmesg has anything to do with nmap and getting disconnected; the message just means that you recieved a router advertisment that tells you to do autoconf but has a prefix length invalid for use with autoconf (and so the advertisment was rejected) |
| 17:17.06 | jhutchins_lt | 64b flash is back: http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html |
| 17:17.35 | abrotman | we know already .. jebus |
| 17:17.39 | bronaugh | jhutchins_lt: yes, already installed it. |
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| 17:18.41 | jhutchins_lt | Well, it is a FAQ here. |
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| 17:19.44 | liran | Dagger2 so what causing the SSH to disconnects while nmap is scanning |
| 17:19.47 | nickaugust | hey a configure script is hanging at "checking for working mktime..." anyone know what thats about? i found some stuff googling saying it was specific to debian |
| 17:19.49 | bronaugh | flash is FAQ'd |
| 17:19.52 | bronaugh | dunno about it being an FAQ though :P |
| 17:20.03 | nickaugust | bronaugh: :) |
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| 17:22.44 | dondelelcaro | jw: unfortunatly, that usually means that the programers don't have a real DBA doing design work... but you probably already knew that. ;-) |
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| 17:23.10 | Niklas-_ | I have a .deb package that has an invalid dependency (libapache-mod-php5 instead of libapache2-mod-php5). Is there a way to remove this dependency or replace it with libapache2-mod-php? |
| 17:23.57 | dondelelcaro | Niklas-_: what package is it, and where is it from? |
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| 17:25.00 | dondelelcaro | Niklas-_: if Debian ships it, it should depend on libapache2-mod-php5 | libapache-mod-php5 | blah | blah | blah |
| 17:25.02 | SerajewelKS | liran: internet gremlins |
| 17:25.16 | Niklas-_ | dondelelcaro: it's a homemade package, i'm not sure who made it |
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| 17:25.37 | jordanm | thats a good indication that you shouldn't install it, I would say |
| 17:26.18 | Niklas-_ | i know the content of it and have been using it for a long time |
| 17:26.26 | jordanm | Niklas-_: how do you know its invalid and just not old and targetted for sarge? |
| 17:26.50 | Niklas-_ | well it is, but it contains a web application with only php as dependency |
| 17:27.07 | Dagger2 | liran: I don't know... maybe try ssh's -v and see if it says anything useful, or try less agressive nmap timings? |
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| 17:27.09 | thewanderer1 | oh come on, why would you want to use a deb for a PHP web application? |
| 17:27.09 | abrotman | Niklas-_: where did you get it from ? |
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| 17:27.18 | thewanderer1 | unpack that and just move files over |
| 17:27.31 | Dagger2 | liran: maybe there's something detecting the traffic from nmap and temporarily firewalling you? |
| 17:27.51 | jordanm | thewanderer1: if its a web application from debian main, you do get the benefit of security support |
| 17:28.02 | jordanm | not the case here however |
| 17:28.06 | thewanderer1 | jordanm: yeah... |
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| 17:32.02 | jhutchins_lt | Not every good piece of software is packaged by debian. |
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| 17:32.38 | andybiker | hi again |
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| 17:36.24 | nickaugust | hey a configure script is hanging at "checking for working mktime..." anyone know what thats about? i found some stuff googling saying it was specific to debian. any idea? |
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| 17:41.36 | andybiker | what is the latest kernel you have? |
| 17:41.51 | abrotman | in what? |
| 17:41.58 | andybiker | in debian? |
| 17:42.02 | andybiker | to install |
| 17:42.07 | abrotman | numerous .. which version of debian ? |
| 17:42.13 | andybiker | lenny |
| 17:42.30 | andybiker | I'm on 2.6.26 atm |
| 17:42.52 | thewanderer1 | ,kernels |
| 17:42.54 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.35-trunk-686 (2.6.35-1~experimental.3); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-22); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-21); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-21~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-25); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 17:43.00 | andybiker | most people are in the 30's b y now |
| 17:43.15 | thewanderer1 | points out that he's still young |
| 17:43.25 | andybiker | How do I install one of these? |
| 17:43.34 | jordanm | andybiker: why do you need it? |
| 17:43.47 | andybiker | I need the tv card modules fron 2.6.28 |
| 17:43.59 | jordanm | !tell andybiker about bpo |
| 17:44.09 | jordanm | andybiker: install the kernel form backports, see pm from dpkg |
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| 17:45.59 | andybiker | eh? |
| 17:46.44 | dvs | andybiker: read what dpkg said |
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| 17:47.29 | felipec | what's the proper way to use dpkg-shlibdeps? I've been using it without arguments, but I'm getting 'warning: unused substitution variable ${shlibs:Depends}', and I can't find a good example |
| 17:49.27 | andybiker | sorry I don't understand how you use dpkg. |
| 17:50.08 | felipec | andatche: it's packaing stuff: dh_helper |
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| 17:50.24 | jordanm | !tell felipec about mentors |
| 17:50.50 | thewanderer1 | andybiker: you were meant to read the private message sent to you on IRC by "dpkg", our friendly bot |
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| 17:50.55 | thewanderer1 | !bpo |
| 17:50.55 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo key> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo kernel> <bdo users>. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100905 |
| 17:51.01 | jordanm | my guess is that it does not link against anything so nothing is substituted. best to ask the experts then go with my "guess" however |
| 17:51.28 | felipec | jordanm: it is linked, I fact dh_shlibdeps is trowing warnings |
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| 17:51.52 | piklu | is there any way to compare performance of debian servers? |
| 17:51.52 | jordanm | felipec: what warnings? some are describbed in the manpage |
| 17:51.59 | jordanm | felipec: again, see the mentors factoid |
| 17:52.24 | felipec | jordanm: extra dependencies... I've fixed those, the point is that it's linked |
| 17:52.25 | jordanm | piklu: time a compile of binutils? |
| 17:52.43 | piklu | hmmmm........ |
| 17:52.57 | piklu | any other way ? |
| 17:53.22 | jordanm | piklu: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 17:54.02 | piklu | i have created VMs over HyperV ( windows based virtualisation ) and i want to see if they perform equal to core linux based VMs |
| 17:54.45 | jordanm | I would benchmark by compiling binutils |
| 17:55.16 | jordanm | piklu: what version of debian? |
| 17:55.33 | mms_ | I have tried both bridged and NAT but after choosing packages as desktop env, laptop and standard system the debian guest install on vbox stalls. |
| 17:55.36 | piklu | latest..... |
| 17:55.36 | piklu | whatever it id |
| 17:55.36 | piklu | i just got it installed |
| 17:55.50 | jordanm | piklu: what does uname -r say? |
| 17:57.20 | piklu | 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 17:57.33 | jordanm | you run lenny |
| 17:57.41 | piklu | yes |
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| 17:59.55 | sushiyant | howto remove unused pkg & dep in debian |
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| 18:01.55 | tuvwx | sushiyant: if you uninstall a package using the aptitude package management tool, unused dependencies are automatically uninstalled as well |
| 18:02.29 | andybiker | ahem, where is the sources list? |
| 18:02.38 | andybiker | http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 18:02.57 | andybiker | or what do I call the file? |
| 18:03.14 | Kvant | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:03.19 | sushiyant | tuvwx: but i dont removed them with aptitude |
| 18:03.39 | tuvwx | sushiyant: why not? |
| 18:03.51 | andybiker | THanks Kvant |
| 18:03.55 | sushiyant | tuvwx: i forget it |
| 18:04.33 | tuvwx | sushiyant: oh.. you already uninstalled it? try firing up aptitude anyway and pressing 'g' and see what it suggests |
| 18:05.23 | tuvwx | sushiyant: also, checkout deborphan. but aptitude is sufficient in most cases |
| 18:08.54 | andybiker | what is the linux kernel called? |
| 18:09.03 | andybiker | for apt? |
| 18:09.13 | tuvwx | linux-image-<version>-<arch> |
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| 18:11.06 | andybiker | so linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.5-686 for me |
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| 18:11.38 | andybiker | Couldn't find package linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.5-686 |
| 18:11.59 | dvs | andybiker: aptitude update |
| 18:13.17 | andybiker | Current status: 833 new [+833]. |
| 18:13.30 | dvs | now install it |
| 18:14.15 | andybiker | aptitude install update ? |
| 18:14.39 | dvs | aptitude install linux-image-2.6.32-bpo..5-686 |
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| 18:16.17 | andybiker | Thanks dvs. Where were you this morning? |
| 18:16.30 | dvs | out |
| 18:16.58 | andybiker | I got no help from 400 of your buddies here |
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| 18:17.49 | andybiker | If I can get my tvcard working, I'll be more likely to use this rather than Mandriva |
| 18:17.50 | dvs | andybiker: well, if you managed to get bpo to work then they must have done something. ;-) |
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| 18:18.33 | andybiker | I couldn't have done this this morning |
| 18:19.36 | andybiker | Nobody in 3 chatrooms could help me install a firmware driver, here, ##linux and #linuxtv! |
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| 18:20.19 | andybiker | thanks again dvs and Kvant |
| 18:20.30 | andybiker | :) |
| 18:20.50 | dvs | np |
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| 18:21.06 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
| 18:21.08 | dvs | goes back to watching Judge Mathis |
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| 18:26.47 | hell_razer | i wanna upgrade lenny to squezzy, with any changes will it overwright grub to grub2? |
| 18:27.06 | abrotman | hopefully |
| 18:27.30 | hell_razer | and if i dont want it? |
| 18:28.00 | abrotman | there's no legacy grub in squeeze |
| 18:28.07 | abrotman | judd: info grub --release squeeze |
| 18:28.09 | judd | grub (admin, optional): GRand Unified Bootloader (dummy package). Version: 0.97-63; Size: 114.9k; Installed: 168k; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/grub |
| 18:28.18 | abrotman | that package forces the upgrade to grub2 |
| 18:28.26 | abrotman | why don't you want grub2? |
| 18:28.58 | hell_razer | unusual |
| 18:29.44 | hell_razer | and i spend a lot of time for installing fake raid and i think it will crash my system |
| 18:30.10 | tholl583xx | I have got a couple of boxes with cciss HP smart arrays and when they run at 100% disk utilization for a few hours or so, they have disk failures which cause the array to rebuild |
| 18:30.22 | jordanm | hell_razer: if it does, please file a bug report with upgrade-reports |
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| 18:30.41 | jordanm | on a side note, fakeraid was prehaps not the best choice |
| 18:30.42 | tholl583xx | is there anything I can do to bottleneck/limit the disk IO as a temp measure, while i am determining the cause of the disk problem? |
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| 18:31.28 | tholl583xx | (the array partition is exposed to nfs clients that I don't have any control over) |
| 18:32.02 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions lilo |
| 18:32.04 | judd | lilo -- etch: 1:22.6.1-9.3; lenny: 1:22.8-7; sid: 1:22.8-8.3; squeeze: 1:22.8-8.3 |
| 18:32.54 | jhutchins_lt | lilo is known to handle raid better. |
| 18:33.28 | jhutchins_lt | hell_razer: squeeze isn't an upgrade, it's an experiment. Why do you want to install it? |
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| 18:36.05 | hell_razer | jhutchins: ext4 |
| 18:38.57 | Knirch | what's the proper way of adding something as an alternative that's not a debian package, like if I want my own compiled version of vimprobable2 as an alternative to x-www-browser, what's the "proper" way of doing it? I normally end up forcing it into /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/x-www-browser by hand |
| 18:39.09 | jhutchins_lt | hell_razer: I think the backported .32 kernel supports ext4. |
| 18:39.44 | abrotman | Knirch: you can look at another browser's postinst and see how it does it |
| 18:39.49 | jhutchins_lt | Knirch: How about building it as a .deb package? |
| 18:40.26 | Knirch | abrotman: thanks |
| 18:41.36 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: he would still have to know the command to add it |
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| 18:47.34 | natefoo | anyone know if it's possible to exclude certain packages in the standard task when you're preseeding? |
| 18:47.38 | natefoo | (i don't want exim). |
| 18:48.19 | jordanm | natefoo: no |
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| 18:48.50 | natefoo | crud. |
| 18:48.54 | jordanm | plan to use sendmail instead? |
| 18:48.58 | natefoo | postfix. |
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| 18:49.15 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: Hm, grub0 doesn't support it either. |
| 18:49.27 | jordanm | natefoo: exim will be removed when you install postfix |
| 18:49.30 | abrotman | grub0? |
| 18:49.33 | abrotman | no such thing/ |
| 18:49.34 | abrotman | ? |
| 18:49.34 | stuckey | What's the best way to install/run software if it's something from outside of the repos and I don't want it mucking with stuff? |
| 18:49.47 | natefoo | jordanm: even if i do so in d-i pkgsel/include? |
| 18:49.49 | abrotman | stuckey: create a package |
| 18:49.57 | natefoo | or only afterward once the system is live? |
| 18:50.16 | jordanm | natefoo: they Conflict: so it shouldn't matter when |
| 18:50.25 | natefoo | well then, good news everyone! |
| 18:50.36 | stuckey | abrotman: Okay. But couldn't the program then muck with stuff while running? Might a chroot not be good? |
| 18:50.39 | jhutchins_lt | stuckey: You can install stuff in user space. |
| 18:50.41 | felipec | how do I make dh_shlibdeps generate warnings about unnecessary dependencies? |
| 18:50.44 | natefoo | thanks! |
| 18:50.56 | jhutchins_lt | stuckey: Kindof depends on what the software is and does. |
| 18:51.00 | jordanm | felipec: I told you the proper channel for packaging questions earlier |
| 18:51.10 | abrotman | stuckey: i don't know what it is .. read the documentation it comes with |
| 18:51.17 | jordanm | felipec: and IIRC, it does that by default |
| 18:51.21 | felipec | jordanm: I don't know what you did, but I don't have it in my log |
| 18:51.29 | jordanm | !mentors |
| 18:51.29 | dpkg | i heard mentors is the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. |
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| 18:52.47 | stuckey | jhutchins_lt: so it's safe to just put anything in user space and run it? |
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| 18:53.10 | felipec | jordanm: perhaps, I have an old dpkg-dev (1.14.25maemo3) |
| 18:54.16 | jhutchins_lt | stuckey: No. |
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| 18:54.31 | jordanm | felipec: you should be using the tools from backports/sid, but that package does not look like debian |
| 18:54.35 | jhutchins_lt | stuckey: Really, you haven't given us enough information to advise you. |
| 18:54.51 | stuckey | jhutchins_lt: 20:49 < stuckey> What's the best way to install/run software if it's something from outside of the repos and I don't want it mucking with stuff? |
| 18:54.54 | stuckey | That's not enough? |
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| 18:55.07 | felipec | jordanm: I'm not using debian, I'm using maemo inside scratchbox (on a Fedora system) |
| 18:55.20 | abrotman | felipec: there is a #maemo |
| 18:55.21 | felipec | but I guess I can try from http://git.debian.org/?p=dpkg/dpkg.git |
| 18:55.23 | jordanm | !based on debian |
| 18:55.23 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 18:55.54 | felipec | abrotman: so? this is not a maemo problem, it's a dh_shlibdeps problem |
| 18:56.08 | abrotman | felipec: where did you get your dpkg? not from debian |
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| 19:00.39 | felipec | abrotman: so? dpkg is free software, I can use it from anywhere I want, including Fedora |
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| 19:00.55 | abrotman | felipec: you did NOT get your dpkg from Debian, ask the people that gave it to you |
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| 19:01.06 | abrotman | felipec: we have no idea how maemo has altered dpkg to work for them .. ask them |
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| 19:01.24 | felipec | abrotman: is dpkg a project under debian? |
| 19:01.59 | abrotman | felipec: an open source project that any other project can alter to suit their needs |
| 19:02.23 | andybiker | Hi again |
| 19:02.27 | felipec | abrotman: yes, but git://git.debian.org/dpkg/dpkg.git is unaltered |
| 19:02.41 | andybiker | I need to update my graphics driver to nvidia |
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| 19:02.49 | abrotman | so which version of debian has that version of dpkg ? |
| 19:03.05 | jhutchins_lt | felipec: What we know here is Debian. You are not running debian, even if you are running packages that are included in debian, we don't know how those packages are different, and the answers we could give you would not apply. |
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| 19:03.17 | andybiker | I'm using ohci/ehci-hcd atm |
| 19:03.51 | felipec | jhutchins_lt: so where should I ask questions regarding dpkg? |
| 19:04.26 | jhutchins_lt | felipec: We don't know that either, whatever support resources exist for mameo. |
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| 19:05.09 | felipec | jhutchins_lt: forget about my installed package |
| 19:05.15 | felipec | I'm talking about git://git.debian.org/dpkg/dpkg.git |
| 19:05.39 | felipec | I can clone that, and use it on any system |
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| 19:05.52 | jhutchins_lt | felipec: Sure you can. |
| 19:07.19 | stuckey | So maybe I should set up a chroot and build the software from source? |
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| 19:10.05 | jhutchins_lt | stuckey: That works for some things, not for others. |
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| 19:10.44 | felipec | jhutchins_lt: good, so I'll try that on this maemo system, if that doesn't work, I guess I'll install a debootstrap on Fedora |
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| 19:13.03 | felipec | awesome... dpkg build fails with: cc1: error: unrecognized command line option "-Wvla" |
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| 19:14.15 | natefoo | so pursuant to my earlier question, i am trying to generate a package list for preseeding based on a live system. in addition to the packages in the standard task, there's a the "base system" packages which should not be in pkgsel/include, correct? |
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| 19:14.26 | natefoo | and if so, how might i get the list of base system packages? |
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| 19:18.04 | stew | natefoo: the 'stadnard task' is ~pimportant ~prequired ~pstandard, and everything in the base packages would be in one of those three priorities |
| 19:18.33 | stew | natefoo: so the standard task is a proper supserset of the base packages |
| 19:18.52 | themill | ~E as well? |
| 19:19.03 | stew | everything in ~E should be in ~prequired |
| 19:19.07 | stew | i think i checked that recently |
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| 19:19.42 | stew | interesting |
| 19:19.46 | stew | $ aptitude search '~E!~prequired' |
| 19:19.46 | stew | i apt - Advanced front-end for dpkg |
| 19:19.56 | jordanm | stew: eh? I though ~pimportant ~prequired all came in the base system, without the standard task, which includes ~pstandard |
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| 19:20.16 | jordanm | as well as essential |
| 19:20.18 | stew | jordanm: i don't think i contradicted that |
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| 19:20.32 | natefoo | stew: ah interesting. |
| 19:20.33 | natefoo | thanks. |
| 19:20.47 | stew | apt is Priority:important |
| 19:20.56 | jordanm | stew: I suppose I just interpretted what you said wrong |
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| 19:21.16 | themill | apt doesn't have Essential: yes. nfc what aptitude is saying there. |
| 19:21.16 | apt | that's too long, themill |
| 19:21.21 | ddilinger | so i know hdparm can time buffered disk reads and give me an idea of disk speed, but is there anything that will do timing of randomized reads, to show me how the disks perform under the kind of load where many processes request varied file sets and the disk seeks alot |
| 19:21.27 | themill | apt: shuddup |
| 19:21.27 | apt | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
| 19:21.39 | felipec | jhutchins_lt: so, dpkg doesn't build on maemo... what debian version should I use on my debootstra? |
| 19:21.48 | felipec | lenny? |
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| 19:21.55 | stew | maybe apt is double-secret essential |
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| 19:22.39 | wietze | hi, I would like to debootstrap a debian install to be used as a chrooted environment on a mips architecture; I was wondering how I could achieve this |
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| 19:24.48 | stew | themill: "aptitude search -F'%p %P' '~E' " also agrees with apt being essential, even though, yes, I don't see Essential:yes on that |
| 19:28.17 | nickaugust | hey a configure script is hanging at "checking for working mktime..." anyone know what thats about? i found some stuff googling saying it was specific to debian. any idea? |
| 19:31.04 | abrotman | hangs or dies? |
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| 19:32.19 | nickaugust | abrotman: hangs |
| 19:33.12 | nickaugust | abrotman: and my fan kicks into high gear so i think it may be an infinite loop somehwere |
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| 19:34.22 | Tasser | can I somehow downgrade a sid to a lenny? |
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| 19:36.15 | homie | user purge for apt |
| 19:36.21 | homie | s/user/use |
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| 19:37.37 | abrotman | Tasser: no |
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| 19:40.49 | Tasser | too bad |
| 19:41.15 | abrotman | for who? |
| 19:41.51 | versuchsanstalt | is there an elegant way to sync evolution or kontact calendar data with the iphone? |
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| 19:42.07 | datacrusher | isnt there .debs for inkscape .48 to debian? why 0.46 still coming on the repos? |
| 19:42.24 | abrotman | judd: versions inkscape |
| 19:42.26 | judd | inkscape -- etch-security: 0.43-0.0etch1; etch: 0.44.1-1; lenny: 0.46-2.lenny2; sid: 0.47.0-2+b1; squeeze: 0.47.0-2+b1; experimental: 0.48.0-1 |
| 19:42.34 | abrotman | datacrusher: in lenny, you have 0.46 |
| 19:43.22 | jhutchins | abrotman: Is there a difference between "experimental" and "sid"? |
| 19:43.31 | Baughn | jhutchins: No. |
| 19:43.32 | abrotman | yes .. very much so |
| 19:43.38 | abrotman | Baughn: wrong |
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| 19:43.44 | Baughn | Wait.. sid = unstable.. |
| 19:44.06 | Baughn | Hm. It goes stable (currently lenny), testing, unstable (always sid), experimental - right? |
| 19:44.28 | abrotman | experimental is not a full version of Debian |
| 19:44.50 | jhutchins | abrotman: Sort of pre-sid? |
| 19:44.52 | Baughn | ..that aside. dhcp3-server *does* read /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf, right? Since it, well, installed it? |
| 19:44.58 | abrotman | not really .. it's more of like a playground |
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| 19:45.17 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: or for stuff that might seriously screw up your system |
| 19:46.00 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: to put it another way .. you should seriously consider the functional state of your system before using stuff from experimental .. because it might never be in that state again |
| 19:46.26 | bronaugh | abrotman: meh, nothing a reinstall won't fix (aside from data loss) |
| 19:46.43 | jhutchins | Backups. |
| 19:46.56 | abrotman | right .. not in that state again |
| 19:47.10 | bronaugh | yeah; no hardware fires though :P |
| 19:47.21 | jhutchins | Any time you're past stable you should snapshot before you "upgrade". |
| 19:47.21 | abrotman | hopefully |
| 19:47.38 | bronaugh | eh; probability of that is really, really, low. |
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| 19:47.52 | bronaugh | in part because it's quite hard to make hardware light on fire these days. |
| 19:48.05 | bronaugh | short of "iron filings in power supply" and other physical interventions. |
| 19:48.17 | jhutchins | There was a command in APL on the 360/370 that would result in them having to replace a board. We used it as a boobytrap. |
| 19:48.20 | abrotman | remember the mandrake bug that ate CDROMs? |
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| 19:48.46 | bronaugh | abrotman: you mean drives? yeah, that was because of a huge gaping firmware bug in said drives. |
| 19:48.51 | jhutchins | abrotman: Fortunately I missed that one. |
| 19:49.06 | abrotman | bronaugh: exposed only by linux IIRC .. FWIW |
| 19:49.09 | jhutchins | I did have a power supply do blue sparks and purple smoke once, but I think that was on power-up. |
| 19:49.39 | bronaugh | abrotman: you're likely correct; but it was still a really egregious bug from the manufacturer. |
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| 19:52.32 | mainrain | so i have a quad core pc, load average is reported as 6.47, 4.84, 3.65. Top reports 85-95% wait time and the list of items using CPU are all at 0%. How do i find out whats pummeling my disk? |
| 19:53.07 | RichiH | iotop |
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| 19:53.12 | jordanm | mainrain: bootchart and iotop would be useful |
| 19:53.23 | RichiH | _if_ it's transfer, not random seeks bogging you down |
| 19:54.20 | mainrain | ahh, i like iotop thats just what i was looking for :) |
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| 19:54.35 | mainrain | so if it was seek related, is there any way to know or is the seeking hidden inside hd firmwarE? |
| 19:55.06 | jordanm | bootchat can poll a system at a given time, and it does show things such as IO usage for a proccess |
| 19:55.10 | Baughn | Is there a standard way to restore iptables' rules, or should I call iptables-restore manually(i.e. rc.local)? |
| 19:55.21 | abrotman | !tell Baughn about iptables |
| 19:55.33 | abrotman | Baughn: i'd say to make your own start/stop script .. but you can use rc.local |
| 19:55.53 | jordanm | I thought the wiki suggested an pre-up rule to do it? |
| 19:55.58 | nickaugust | abrotman: i just saw the package im trying to install hasnt been updated since 2001. maybe the configure script is no longer compatible? is there a way around that? |
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| 19:58.58 | stew | Baughn: if you are using firewalling to prevent outside access to stuff which needs to be prevented, rc.local is too late, its the last thing to run, so there is a time when services are started that you might not want exposed but before your firewall is setup |
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| 19:59.16 | stew | Baughn: a pre-up line in /etc/network/interfaces mightb e better (man 5 interfaces) |
| 19:59.33 | Baughn | stew: It would require an unknown vulnerability to actually break in, firewall or no firewall, but point taken. |
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| 20:00.11 | mainrain | Baughn: well, the unknown vulnerabilitys are the ones you should worry about :P |
| 20:00.24 | bronaugh | 0-day joy. |
| 20:00.25 | metaphys | I need a helpdesk software |
| 20:00.49 | jordanm | what does helpdesk software do? like a ticketing system? |
| 20:01.13 | mainrain | or is it a system for helping humans read a script over a phone? |
| 20:01.49 | jordanm | or I guess it could transcribe a voice message into text to email, my hosting provider does that |
| 20:01.50 | metaphys | jordanm yeah |
| 20:01.59 | metaphys | like that |
| 20:02.34 | metaphys | do u know? |
| 20:02.45 | Baughn | mainrain: Ayup. Firewall applied. Only ssh access, thank you. |
| 20:02.46 | mainrain | trac, bugzilla, etc. |
| 20:04.10 | mainrain | i use trac personally, but not for any great reason i had just heard of it before and its worked for my purpose |
| 20:04.14 | jhutchins_lt | I want to run a flash drive through a bulk tape eraser and see what happens. |
| 20:04.16 | bronaugh | iotop... sweet. |
| 20:05.02 | jhutchins_lt | bugzilla is popular but it's search options are terrible. Needs to be able to segregate results by release and by version. |
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| 20:08.01 | asaleem | How do I install virtual package? |
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| 20:08.55 | jordanm | asaleem: you have to install a package that Provides the virtual. aptitude search ~P<virtual package> |
| 20:09.18 | themill | !virtual package |
| 20:09.19 | dpkg | somebody said virtual package was a package that doesn't really exist but represents a function which several real packages fulfill, which appears in the Provides control file field of another package. The effect is as if the package(s) which provide a particular virtual package name had been listed by name everywhere the virtual package name appears. To find which package(s) provide a foo virtual package, use $ apt-cache showpkg foo; |
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| 20:13.15 | zendak | I just stupidly did a chown someuser.somegroup /* instead of ./* or * inside a directory as root -- is the default ownership of the toplevel dirs (/bin, /boot, /dev, /etc, etc.) documented somewhere? IIRC, all root.root |
| 20:16.07 | eikenberry | zendak. Yes. |
| 20:16.12 | eikenberry | Everything in / is root root |
| 20:16.42 | jelly-home | there are different permissions but you didn't lose those |
| 20:16.55 | zendak | eikenberry: Thanks. I wasn't sure if something belonged to group "adm" or similar |
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| 20:17.56 | zendak | Yes, fortunately, it wasn't recursive and/or a chmod. |
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| 20:22.47 | Trashi | hi. is there in the english language also the adage |
| 20:22.49 | Trashi | i think my pig whistles |
| 20:22.50 | Trashi | ? |
| 20:23.07 | bronaugh | no; I'm not sure what the equivalent would be. |
| 20:23.53 | Trashi | bronaugh: hm ok .. well but u understand? or do u because you're german? |
| 20:24.03 | qq- | !u |
| 20:24.04 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 20:24.16 | Trashi | lol |
| 20:24.30 | jhutchins_lt | Trashi: What language is that from? German? |
| 20:24.36 | Trashi | yes |
| 20:24.37 | bronaugh | Trashi: what's the meaning? |
| 20:25.25 | themill | ##english ? |
| 20:25.45 | bronaugh | themill: do you see anything else going on? |
| 20:26.09 | Trashi | bronaugh: thats the problem .. im looking for something similar in english ... translaters say to me, the correct translation is "Blow me down!" .. but that sounds not correct for me?! |
| 20:26.43 | Trashi | http://www.dict.cc/deutsch-englisch/Ich+glaub+mein+Schwein+pfeift.html :) |
| 20:26.51 | bronaugh | Trashi: no, I'm wondering what the expression means; like, does it refer to an unlikely event, does it refer to success, what? |
| 20:27.00 | themill | bronaugh: Trashi is more likely to get an answer there, and this is a help channel... a quiet help channel is a good help channel. OT chatter is very distracting for people who are in here to help if there is help to be given, but are otherwise at work or doing other things. |
| 20:27.42 | Trashi | themill: wtf? o_O |
| 20:27.48 | zendak | Trashi: An equivalent would be "Blow me down!" |
| 20:27.56 | Trashi | ok so its right ;) |
| 20:28.38 | Trashi | bronaugh: its for a situation you are very surprised |
| 20:28.43 | themill | please take it to a /msg or to ##english. |
| 20:28.55 | zendak | It's a bit anachrosnistic, though. Sort of what Popeye would say |
| 20:29.29 | Trashi | themill: its over now .. i got my answer .. thanks for friendly, cultivated conversation |
| 20:29.58 | themill | Trashi: next time you could randomly join ##windows when you want to ask about English sayings... |
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| 20:33.05 | jelly-home | themill: next time, cultivately +q them and point to the topical channel |
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| 20:34.00 | seria-mau | hi there |
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| 20:34.09 | seria-mau | have a problem with ruby on squeeze |
| 20:34.22 | jordanm | !ask |
| 20:34.22 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 20:34.44 | seria-mau | i installed rubygems from repos |
| 20:34.57 | seria-mau | and then sudo gem install bundler |
| 20:35.15 | seria-mau | but after that the command "bundle" isn't found |
| 20:36.29 | seria-mau | whats funny is, that everytime installing bundler works, no errors about that it's already installed or sth |
| 20:36.34 | jordanm | seria-mau: pastebin your full command along with the output |
| 20:37.00 | seria-mau | sudo gem install bundler; bundle install |
| 20:37.43 | jordanm | seria-mau: the channel is not a pastebin and you want && in that case, because trying to execute "bundle" won't work if the installation fails |
| 20:37.50 | jordanm | you also forgot to include the output |
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| 20:40.16 | seria-mau | yes, it's only 3 lines: 1 gem installed and installing ri/RDoc documentation for bundler 1.0.0 |
| 20:40.37 | jordanm | alright, do what you want |
| 20:41.13 | seria-mau | lol |
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| 20:44.15 | foetus | is testing 3.5x firefox |
| 20:44.36 | bronaugh | testing it? |
| 20:44.42 | bronaugh | uh you do realize 4.0beta is out? |
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| 20:45.02 | seria-mau | jordanm: why should i paste 3 lines with no error output to pastebin, thats ridicolous |
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| 20:45.17 | spacepluk | seria-mau: I think you need to add the directory which holds the gems binaries to the path |
| 20:46.17 | spacepluk | seria-mau: for example: /var/lib/gems/1.8/bin |
| 20:46.42 | enteL | whenever i install a ruby gem the directory created in /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/ doesn't have read/execute permissions for group or other, why would this happen |
| 20:47.37 | spacepluk | enteL: are you using the rubygems package from the repository? |
| 20:47.58 | foetus | tested 20 Versions today, 3.5 is my favorite browser..hard enough, beta makes no sense to me. |
| 20:48.27 | foetus | not sure about chrome.. |
| 20:48.34 | bronaugh | foetus: 4.0beta is far, far faster and has way fewer performance bugs than previous versions. |
| 20:48.39 | enteL | spacepluk: yes |
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| 20:49.50 | foetus | bronaugh: okay, will take a look at 4x this weekend, thanks |
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| 20:50.15 | spacepluk | enteL: that's weird, I thought that debian rubygems installed the stuff under /var/lib |
| 20:50.19 | bronaugh | http://arewefastyet.com/?machine=4 |
| 20:50.22 | bronaugh | for reference. |
| 20:51.00 | foetus | will take a look.. |
| 20:52.35 | foetus | bronaugh: interesting page, thanks! |
| 20:52.45 | bronaugh | np |
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| 20:53.07 | iago | Hello all. I'm experiencing a very slow connection with WPA-PSK AP + atheros wireless card + ath5k driver (Squeeze), could ath5k be the cause? I found some stuff about it googling but nothing sure. |
| 20:53.48 | enteL | spacepluk: i had rubygems installed from source but i removed it and started using the one from the debian repo |
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| 20:54.50 | spacepluk | enteL: some residual config files maybe? |
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| 20:56.28 | enteL | spacepluk: could be, i dont understand why either version would set permissions like that though, it makes the gems useless |
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| 20:58.27 | spacepluk | enteL: there's something wrong with your rubygems, I've just checked and mine's persmissions are ok under /var/lib/gems... |
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| 21:00.17 | spacepluk | enteL: have you tried: which gem ? |
| 21:00.26 | MichaelBurns | Is there a way to copy all outgoing email from a certain domain to another e-mail address... |
| 21:00.38 | MichaelBurns | in exim4 that is |
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| 21:00.54 | MichaelBurns | I've tried to setup a filter in a txt file but doesnt seem to work |
| 21:01.23 | whalalla | hi guys. I have ubuntu on a pc and I really want to put debian. So I have a / and an /home. If I format only the / and install debian on it, which problem I can experience? |
| 21:01.28 | enteL | spacepluk: /usr/bin/gem |
| 21:02.26 | jordanm | whalalla: there may be issues with different version of your desktop configurations |
| 21:02.43 | whalalla | jordanm, so what shall I do? |
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| 21:02.52 | jordanm | whalalla: at worst, you will have to custom theme settings and that sort of thing |
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| 21:03.02 | jordanm | whalalla: nothing, expect it work and fix later if it does not |
| 21:03.11 | whalalla | jordanm, well that's not a big issue I think |
| 21:03.33 | whalalla | jordanm, any possibility of data loss from other partitions? |
| 21:04.08 | bronaugh | whalalla: not if you're careful. |
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| 21:04.38 | whalalla | bronaugh, If being careful means only format the / partition and install there ok |
| 21:05.15 | bronaugh | yup. |
| 21:05.28 | whalalla | k I'll do it. Thx for the info ;) |
| 21:05.28 | jhutchins_lt | Shoot, I copied a home partiton from Mandriva and it works fine. |
| 21:07.29 | spacepluk | enteL: gem -v ?? I'm running out of ideas :P |
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| 21:08.36 | jhutchins_lt | #ruby ? |
| 21:09.41 | enteL | theyre no help |
| 21:09.51 | enteL | 1.3.7 |
| 21:10.14 | enteL | i dunno im about to just forget about it |
| 21:10.28 | enteL | its annoying ill have to fix permissions everytime i install a gem |
| 21:10.38 | enteL | but i guess i can live with that |
| 21:10.50 | spacepluk | you have something strange, try asking the ruby team |
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| 21:11.33 | spacepluk | are you sure the source version was correctly uninstalled? |
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| 21:12.04 | enteL | no im not sure |
| 21:12.13 | spacepluk | the gems should be installed under /var/lib/gem if you're using the debian version |
| 21:12.18 | enteL | infact it most likely wasnt |
| 21:12.38 | spacepluk | enteL: try reinstalling the package |
| 21:13.12 | spacepluk | http://pkg-ruby-extras.alioth.debian.org/rubygems.html |
| 21:14.05 | ethanol | does anyone here know if drbd works ontop of raid? or am I asking a stupid question? :< |
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| 21:19.17 | foetus | is thinking about chromium.. is probably needed for testing some html 5 code.. |
| 21:27.43 | spacepluk | enteL: echo $GEM_HOME ?? |
| 21:28.20 | spacepluk | enteL: take a look here: less /usr/share/doc/rubygems1.8/README.Debian |
| 21:28.54 | hyperzid | Can anyone recommend an easy to use XMPP/jabber cross platform client? |
| 21:29.06 | hyperzid | I've tried pidgin.. and it was not very easy to use. |
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| 21:30.05 | spacepluk | hyperzid: irssi+bitlbee it's much more convenient :) |
| 21:30.20 | mee | ^ seconded, since you seem OK with irc |
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| 21:30.51 | humbolt | It seems my RAID disks are spinning down all the time or doing something else stupid. how can I prevent that from happening? |
| 21:30.52 | hyperzid | spacepluk, I need a grafical interface. |
| 21:31.12 | mee | bitlbee + xchat then |
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| 21:32.08 | spacepluk | hyperzid: emesene was supposed to have XMPP at some point, but I don't know if they have implemented it yet |
| 21:33.25 | seria-mau | spacepluk: thanks. that was it |
| 21:34.20 | spacepluk | seria-mau: yw :) |
| 21:35.07 | foetus | ok, lets slowly end the day now..bye |
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| 21:36.48 | dArK_IcE | "you will need to boot manually with /vmlinuz kernel on partition /deb/md1 and root=/dev/md1 passed as a kernel argument. |
| 21:36.55 | dArK_IcE | any1 knows anything about this bug? |
| 21:37.05 | dArK_IcE | or problem in grub instalation |
| 21:38.47 | jhutchins_lt | dArK_IcE: Perhaps if you were to explain a little more? |
| 21:39.16 | dArK_IcE | i m installing a raid1, with debian squeeze amd64 version |
| 21:39.30 | dArK_IcE | and that message appears on upgrading grub to version 2 |
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| 21:40.31 | rolandpish | How can I "safe" extract a wifi usb dongle? |
| 21:40.38 | jhutchins_lt | dArK_IcE: Looks fairly straightforward to me. |
| 21:41.18 | jhutchins_lt | rolandpish: Eh? You mean disconnect it from the system? |
| 21:41.56 | jhutchins_lt | rolandpish: Physically remove it? |
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| 21:43.07 | macrobat | humbolt: try hdparm -B 254 or something like that. you need to set it whenever you boot |
| 21:44.20 | rolandpish | jhutchins_lt, thanks. Yes, to safe "physically" remove it. |
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| 21:44.46 | jhutchins_lt | rolandpish: Pull gently? |
| 21:45.18 | jhutchins_lt | rolandpish: Since it's not a storage device, there's no risk that you'll corrupt the filesystem because the disk cache hasn't been flushed to the device. |
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| 21:45.29 | fourlastor | hello :) |
| 21:45.49 | jhutchins_lt | rolandpish: It might be a good idea to turn it off with the wifi manager or a console command like ifconfig wlan0 down |
| 21:45.59 | rolandpish | jhutchins_lt, ah ok, excellent. I thought there was some command to safe extract it and avoid corrupting it. |
| 21:46.03 | jhutchins_lt | rolandpish: That will keep your system from being confused. |
| 21:46.17 | jhutchins_lt | rolandpish: Only applies to storage devices. |
| 21:46.31 | rolandpish | jhutchins_lt, oh, even better. I'll ifconfig down the device, then pull gently :) |
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| 21:46.41 | dArK_IcE | jhutchins_lt can u check pm? |
| 21:46.43 | rolandpish | jhutchins_lt, thanks a lot! |
| 21:46.47 | fourlastor | it's normal that everytime i use apt-get / aptitude to uninstall something the packages on which that depends are not removed until i run "aptitude markauto" ? |
| 21:47.11 | jhutchins_lt | dArK_IcE: Why not just do what it says? |
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| 21:47.49 | zitter | sorry, /etc/init.d/mysql restart doesn't work anymore? |
| 21:48.09 | jhutchins_lt | zitter: Did you change the root password? |
| 21:48.21 | homie | is there an option like markauto for everything in apt ? |
| 21:48.38 | zitter | jhutchins_lt, no |
| 21:49.10 | fourlastor | homie, is that i would do,i mean,the normal behaving is that when i remove something i can autoremove everything it depended on,automatically installed and no longer required,but i don't know how to set it |
| 21:49.18 | homie | yarr, how should it decide how deep to go in the dependeny tree ? is tht the issue ? |
| 21:49.19 | jhutchins_lt | zitter: I had some trouble after I changed the accounts & passwords, but it works fine in lenny. |
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| 21:50.06 | homie | fourlastor: apt-get autoremove is an option...but that's not the thing i asked for |
| 21:51.05 | homie | does it do a depth 1 breadth search ? |
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| 21:51.26 | dArK_IcE | jhutchins_lt found solution for ubuntu |
| 21:51.27 | dArK_IcE | I just discovered the fix for our problem yesterday posted to my bug report. That is to just to add a package that was omitted from the 10.04 distribution. Apparently 10.04 doesn't install without workarounds because the distribution omitted the package kpartx! It could be easily added to a 10.04 live cd session with the Synaptic Package Manager and then 10.04 easily installed by the 10.04 installer run from that same session. That would elimi |
| 21:51.56 | giwe | How do I disable screensaver with lenny/kde? |
| 21:52.17 | homie | and why are the dependency's kept in the package itself ? |
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| 21:52.38 | jhutchins_lt | dArK_IcE: Possibly one of the reasons squeeze isn't released yet. |
| 21:52.40 | rgr | iceweasel bookmarks toolbar is gone. I tried toggling it but no joy. Any idea how to restore it? |
| 21:52.43 | DDRP | uh, where else would packages define their dependencies? |
| 21:52.45 | homie | or the description of the package, or the status ? |
| 21:52.58 | homie | somewhere else ? |
| 21:53.02 | homie | outside ? |
| 21:53.07 | dArK_IcE | jhutchins_lt Yeah, can u try to report it? cause i dont shit about it |
| 21:53.08 | dArK_IcE | lol |
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| 21:53.09 | dArK_IcE | :> |
| 21:53.13 | dArK_IcE | i will try to fix the problem |
| 21:53.15 | dArK_IcE | thx halps, cya |
| 21:53.26 | DDRP | Like in some mutually agreed package meta-data area? |
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| 21:53.40 | homie | yep |
| 21:53.47 | homie | something like that yes |
| 21:53.48 | DDRP | k =/ |
| 21:53.53 | homie | hrmmmm.... |
| 21:54.01 | jhutchins_lt | That makes outside packages impossible. |
| 21:54.01 | homie | not possible ? or not desired ? |
| 21:54.04 | DDRP | I like defining my dependencies within my packages |
| 21:54.19 | DDRP | Yeah most packages I make are never going to be released |
| 21:55.13 | DDRP | I don't see the advantage of a globally agreed meta-data area |
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| 21:55.57 | homie | decoupling ? |
| 21:56.25 | DDRP | Dependencies are coupled to the packages describing those dependencies |
| 21:56.32 | themill | makes homie and DDRP look in /var/lib/dpkg/ and /var/cache/apt/ |
| 21:56.40 | DDRP | I don't know if any other package management system doing this any other day =\ |
| 21:56.42 | DDRP | er, way |
| 21:57.13 | homie | that's what i mean isn't that too close ? |
| 21:57.43 | dArK_IcE | jhutchins_lt what build do you recommend? |
| 21:58.18 | homie | is there a distinction of strict and loose dependencies ? |
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| 21:59.00 | homie | i don't mean those by recommended and suggested keywords ! |
| 21:59.03 | Burns | Hello |
| 21:59.09 | Burns | !seen thewander1 |
| 21:59.10 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'thewander1', Burns |
| 21:59.15 | DDRP | T homie, no but you can look at Suggests: and Recommends: as well as Depends: |
| 21:59.26 | Burns | I wonder what was his name |
| 21:59.27 | DDRP | meh |
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| 22:00.03 | DDRP | Either your code depends on a feature, or it doesn't... if it doesn't, maybe it just can use it if it is there... hence Suggests: etc |
| 22:00.09 | zitter | jhutchins_lt, ofund solution here: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-112505.html it was a problem of GRANT on debian-sys-maint mysql user |
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| 22:04.36 | DDRP | I'm actually involved in an interesting project at the moment... to take a ton of FreeBSD-deployed Perl back-end scripts and re-deploy everything under Debian, properly packaged, with deps between packages and on Perl libraries etc |
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| 22:17.45 | Posterdati | hi |
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| 22:24.17 | CyL | Excuseme if my question is dumb, but why does mysql-server requires exim and bsd-mailx? |
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| 22:25.41 | themill | CyL: so it can send you a mail when the db is in trouble and needs fixing. /msg dpkg why an mta |
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| 22:27.05 | CyL | themill: using an external mta would not sufice? |
| 22:28.19 | sde | can anyone recommend what my sources.list should be? |
| 22:28.25 | sde | to keep my system upto date? |
| 22:29.02 | sde | !sources |
| 22:29.02 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 22:29.18 | Burns | Hello |
| 22:29.22 | Burns | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:29.27 | Burns | I can't get this error to stop |
| 22:29.32 | Burns | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=986113 |
| 22:30.56 | Burns | ok fixed it |
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| 22:34.37 | dockimble | is there anyway to display graphics without x? |
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| 22:35.22 | themill | CyL: you still need a way for mysql to talk to the external MTA. That means you either have to build an MTA into every program or you install one central one on your box. |
| 22:37.11 | Burns | Now this |
| 22:37.11 | Burns | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libxml-simple-perl: |
| 22:37.12 | dpkg | burns: that's not the complete error. Please pastebin the command you gave and the entire output. Ask me about <pastebin> <bat> <localised errors>. |
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| 22:43.19 | dockimble | guess not |
| 22:43.28 | antivigilante | there are ways |
| 22:43.31 | antivigilante | ggi |
| 22:43.32 | dockimble | how |
| 22:43.37 | antivigilante | directfb |
| 22:45.28 | jhutchins_lt | Burns: Which release are you running? |
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| 22:46.09 | Burns | lenny |
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| 22:48.50 | dockimble | how do you forced upgrades that are held back |
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| 22:51.18 | dockimble | hello_? |
| 22:53.20 | themill | !kept back |
| 22:53.20 | dpkg | i guess kept back is when packages have not been upgraded even though newer versions are available. This happens if dependencies cannot be resolved, packages are on hold or you used "upgrade" not "full-upgrade" and old packages need to be removed as part of the upgrade. To investigate, "aptitude -s install <kept-package>". Also see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/69 Ask me about <full-upgrade>. |
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| 22:53.34 | Burns | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libxml-simple-perl |
| 22:53.35 | dpkg | burns: that's not the complete error. Please pastebin the command you gave and the entire output. Ask me about <pastebin> <bat> <localised errors>. |
| 22:54.00 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg: Who are you? |
| 22:54.00 | dpkg | I'm a chimp! |
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| 22:54.09 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg: What are you? |
| 22:54.09 | dpkg | I am an infobot. For more info see <infobot>. |
| 22:54.42 | Burns | Sorry dockimble, I just reinstall the ones causing the issue |
| 22:55.35 | themill | Burns: dpkg keeps telling you to give us more information because without more information, we have to rely on ESP-over-IRC and that's not nearly as effective. |
| 22:55.39 | dockimble | right, then what is the best way to reinstall xserver? |
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| 22:56.18 | jhutchins_lt | dockimble: What are you actually trying to solve? |
| 22:56.29 | dockimble | gdm will not start |
| 22:56.41 | Burns | I know themill, Im tryin to open pastebin |
| 22:56.49 | Burns | Internet sucks atm for me |
| 22:56.50 | kingsley | What would use an extra hard drive for? |
| 22:57.19 | jhutchins_lt | dockimble: WHY will gdm not start? |
| 22:57.26 | jhutchins_lt | dockimble: Will X start? |
| 22:57.57 | dockimble | no |
| 22:57.58 | jhutchins_lt | dockimble: What video card do you have? What drivers are you using? What does the Xorg.0.log say? |
| 22:58.12 | jhutchins_lt | dockimble: What does X say when you try to run it manually? |
| 22:58.29 | dockimble | how does one do that |
| 22:59.15 | jhutchins_lt | X |
| 22:59.27 | jhutchins_lt | dockimble: or startx |
| 22:59.36 | jhutchins_lt | dockimble: To get back out of X Ctrl-Alt-Backspace |
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| 23:05.39 | qwd | Hi, I installed Debian Testing on my Asus EEE PC and I'm having trouble with wifi. According to the wiki it should work http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/Wifi but with Wifi-radar I'm getting "wlan0 interface doesn't support scanning : network is down". Any idea what I need to do? |
| 23:07.00 | themill | "ip link set wlan0 up" should normally do it |
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| 23:08.20 | Burns | debian:~# free -m |
| 23:08.20 | Burns | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:08.20 | Burns | Mem: 8001 309 7691 0 16 188 |
| 23:08.26 | Burns | Thats normal ? |
| 23:08.28 | qwd | themill: thank you! |
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| 23:10.02 | Burns | on "free" it shows Mem: 8193688 317328 7876360 0 16604 193408 |
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| 23:11.07 | wietze | what package on debian etch contains the xauth program? when I do apt-cache search xauth, it does not yield xauth as a stand alone package |
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| 23:12.06 | KaffeeJunky123 | I'm looking for a good backup tool on debian lenny, what tool would you suggest? |
| 23:12.26 | jhutchins_lt | wietze: Try apt-file |
| 23:12.48 | wietze | jhutchins_lt: I do not have this |
| 23:12.55 | jhutchins_lt | KaffeeJunky123: There are lots of ways to do backups depending on what you're backing up, and what you are backing it up to. |
| 23:13.04 | jhutchins_lt | wietze: So install it. |
| 23:13.16 | wietze | jhutchins_lt: doh; pardon me |
| 23:13.40 | jhutchins_lt | wietze: There's probably a way to get dpkg to tell you too, but I don't know it. |
| 23:14.35 | wietze | I have little experience with debian; but it seems to have a rather nice port to mips; hence Im giving it a shot |
| 23:15.18 | KaffeeJunky123 | jhutchins_lt: I just want something to back up my home folder to a different drive, with versioning and ofc packed, it should only create diffs for different versions instead of full backups so it doesn't have to store too much data, and it should provide the capability to restore single files from backups. |
| 23:15.38 | blaw | anyone here uses lightspark? |
| 23:15.45 | KaffeeJunky123 | jhutchins_lt: does something like this exist in the lenny repos? |
| 23:16.12 | wietze | jhutchins_lt: apt-file search xauth does not yield results |
| 23:18.49 | jhutchins_lt | Hrmn... |
| 23:19.34 | wietze | ah, it was in xbase-clients |
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| 23:20.12 | bronaugh | Burns: not overly normal. |
| 23:20.19 | bronaugh | normally more ram is used as cache/buffers. |
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| 23:20.52 | jhutchins_lt | wietze: How did you figure it out? |
| 23:21.10 | wietze | I installed some stuff, like xbase-commons etc |
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| 23:21.22 | wietze | and after xbase-clients |
| 23:21.25 | wietze | I had the xauth command |
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| 23:22.46 | jhutchins_lt | Sure wish I knew how to do that on debian... |
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| 23:24.15 | patriick | how to format and mount slave drive |
| 23:24.24 | patriick | and why df command lie to me |
| 23:25.50 | jhutchins_lt | patriick: Slave drive? |
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| 23:26.57 | patriick | jhutchins_lt: something like that |
| 23:27.07 | patriick | aka my second harddrive |
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| 23:27.32 | jhutchins_lt | cfdisk to partition, mkfs to format, mount to mount. |
| 23:27.55 | patriick | LOL ^^?? |
| 23:28.01 | patriick | as root? |
| 23:28.22 | jhutchins_lt | Yes, all system tasks are performed as root. |
| 23:28.50 | patriick | oooh cfdisk is amazing |
| 23:29.25 | patriick | it's only showing one my harddrives |
| 23:30.04 | jhutchins_lt | fdisk -l should list mounted and un-mounted drives, cfdisk /dev/sdb should show you the partition table of the second drive. |
| 23:30.17 | patriick | ok how to exit cfdisk |
| 23:30.23 | jhutchins_lt | q |
| 23:30.32 | patriick | lol |
| 23:31.22 | jhutchins_lt | h for a list of commands |
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| 23:31.32 | patriick | ok my second harddrive is on /dev/hdb/ |
| 23:31.35 | KaffeeJunky123 | most shell tools use h for help |
| 23:31.36 | jhutchins_lt | I must admit I use fdisk out of habit, cfdisk is recommended. |
| 23:32.00 | jhutchins_lt | fdisk will tell you "Which disk do you want, idiot?". |
| 23:32.08 | patriick | lol ^ |
| 23:32.11 | jhutchins_lt | ask you.. |
| 23:32.28 | KaffeeJunky123 | fdisk is a nice tool |
| 23:32.39 | patriick | so mount /dev/hdb/ ?? |
| 23:32.52 | KaffeeJunky123 | patriick: probably |
| 23:33.02 | KaffeeJunky123 | patriick: not |
| 23:33.17 | KaffeeJunky123 | patriick: partitions do have a number |
| 23:33.26 | KaffeeJunky123 | hdb would be the rare device |
| 23:34.45 | patriick | im on rare hardware :P |
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| 23:35.41 | KaffeeJunky123 | you can't mount a device ^^ |
| 23:35.48 | patriick | err |
| 23:35.49 | KaffeeJunky123 | you've to format it first |
| 23:36.15 | jhutchins_lt | 1) fdisk/cfdisk, create a partition, 2) mkfs -t ext3 /dev/<partition>, 3) mount /dev/<partition> /<mountpoint> |
| 23:37.03 | jhutchins_lt | Some devices can be formatted without partitioning, such as smaller cfdisks. |
| 23:37.25 | jhutchins_lt | A single partition can use all of the space on the drive. |
| 23:38.36 | patriick | jhutchins_lt: https://pastee.org/ff7ds |
| 23:38.40 | patriick | KaffeeJunky123: ^ |
| 23:39.42 | KaffeeJunky123 | mount /dev/hdb1 /dir |
| 23:40.13 | KaffeeJunky123 | but jhutchins_lt already said that |
| 23:40.22 | CyL | would anyone a good reading on how to properly set up a fairly secure apache server on debian? |
| 23:40.34 | CyL | *anyone recommend |
| 23:40.45 | patriick | orielly linux admin guide |
| 23:40.50 | patriick | or w/e it's called |
| 23:41.14 | CyL | patriick: thanks |
| 23:41.22 | patriick | well like i said cfdisk wont show the hdb1 |
| 23:41.32 | patriick | and mount /dev/hdb1 just gives me |
| 23:41.43 | patriick | mount: can't find /dev/hdb1/ in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 23:41.59 | KaffeeJunky123 | CyL: be aware that you'll have to maintain your server secure |
| 23:42.50 | KaffeeJunky123 | CyL: scripts that are not part of the distribution won't be updated by an automatical debian security update |
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| 23:44.50 | patriick | wat is fstab.. |
| 23:45.31 | patriick | arggh nvm |
| 23:45.32 | KaffeeJunky123 | patriick: file system table iirc |
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| 23:45.38 | patriick | soo write what in stab |
| 23:45.57 | patriick | im on a fresh debian netinstall mind you |
| 23:46.09 | KaffeeJunky123 | it does contain information on where to mount what partition etc |
| 23:46.38 | Renfield | Is it possible to get rid of any kind of splash screen with GRUB, and have it just boot directly into a default chosen system? |
| 23:46.54 | patriick | soooo /dev/hdb1 /media/Kaffee/ auto rw,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 23:47.04 | patriick | Renfield: double tap enter |
| 23:47.06 | patriick | rapidly |
| 23:47.25 | Renfield | patriick: I need it to do this without user intervention. |
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| 23:52.27 | KaffeeJunky123 | Renfield: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/index.htm have a look at the grub manual |
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| 23:55.01 | KaffeeJunky123 | Renfield: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Simple-configuration.html#Simple-configuration this is the page you're looking for =) |
| 23:55.59 | patriick | KaffeeJunky123: mount: unknown filesystem type 'ext4' |
| 23:56.09 | patriick | ;-( |
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| 23:56.34 | KaffeeJunky123 | patriick: well you probably do not have the kernel modules for ext4 |
| 23:56.46 | patriick | picard-facepalm.jpg |
| 23:56.47 | KaffeeJunky123 | patriick: are you using lenny? |
| 23:56.53 | patriick | ofc |
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| 23:57.05 | KaffeeJunky123 | well lenny doesn't support ext4 out of the box |
| 23:57.39 | KaffeeJunky123 | I highly doubt that you'll find it in the stable repos |
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| 23:57.58 | blaw | hello, anyone here is using lightspark? |
| 23:58.29 | KaffeeJunky123 | patriick: because of the release cycles it is not in the stable distribution |
| 23:58.30 | stew | lenny has the userspace tools for ext4, but you'd want a backported kernel to use ext4 |