| 00:00.50 | KaffeeJunky123 | hm well |
| 00:01.07 | KaffeeJunky123 | I'd use the userspace tools if they're in stable ^^ |
| 00:01.07 | patriick | KaffeeJunky123: none of this crap works |
| 00:01.17 | jhutchins_lt | CyL: http://tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/index.html |
| 00:01.49 | KaffeeJunky123 | patriick: maybe debian lenny is not the right distribution for you |
| 00:02.12 | jhutchins_lt | patriick: ext3 |
| 00:02.27 | jhutchins_lt | ext4's not fully supported in lenny (although you can make it work). |
| 00:03.12 | stew | patriick: ext4 should work with a kernel form bpo: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 00:03.51 | KaffeeJunky123 | I really really suggest you to not use bpo kernels |
| 00:04.09 | patriick | KaffeeJunky123: just cuz i can't format and mount drive? its not like i do this everyday |
| 00:04.47 | KaffeeJunky123 | patriick: nope because you want something that does everything out of the box, jugding from what you're saying :) |
| 00:05.01 | CyL | jhutchins_lt: thanks |
| 00:05.06 | KaffeeJunky123 | patriick: are you installing a desktop? |
| 00:05.16 | stew | KaffeeJunky123: why not use a bpo kernel? |
| 00:05.20 | patriick | KaffeeJunky123: just leave |
| 00:05.26 | KaffeeJunky123 | stew: they cause madness |
| 00:05.32 | stew | KaffeeJunky123: how is that? |
| 00:06.29 | KaffeeJunky123 | stew: well I don't know how it is atm, but the bpo kernel packages are bugged sometimes... |
| 00:07.06 | KaffeeJunky123 | stew: and you might have a hard time getting certain kernel modules to work |
| 00:07.33 | KaffeeJunky123 | stew: or you'll just end up booting into a kernel panic, wich is what happend to me when I installed the bpo kernel :> |
| 00:07.50 | patriick | noo ^ |
| 00:08.34 | patriick | Could not stat /dev/hdb/ --- Not a directory |
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| 00:10.02 | KaffeeJunky123 | stew: and at that point you might aswell install testing or unstable |
| 00:10.37 | stew | KaffeeJunky123: really? |
| 00:10.55 | stew | KaffeeJunky123: so your recomendataion is to use the same kernel, but also use testing so that you do all of the security patching yourself? |
| 00:10.59 | stew | or that you help find bugs? |
| 00:11.10 | stew | this is probably not what people looking to run stable are hoping to do |
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| 00:11.47 | KaffeeJunky123 | stew: nope thats not what I meant |
| 00:12.09 | stew | KaffeeJunky123: ok, so run testing and just ignore the security and other bugs? |
| 00:12.34 | stew | run unstable and be a guinnea pig for testing new packages? |
| 00:12.56 | bronaugh | bpo? |
| 00:13.04 | stew | patriick: did you just switch kernel versions? |
| 00:13.10 | stew | bronaugh: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 00:13.10 | KaffeeJunky123 | stew: backported packages are not secure anyways |
| 00:13.53 | bronaugh | stew: huh. |
| 00:14.11 | stew | bronaugh: can you ask a more specific question? |
| 00:14.25 | bronaugh | stew: nope. don't have one. just dropped in, was curious. |
| 00:14.27 | stew | KaffeeJunky123: no, but packages from stable are |
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| 00:14.36 | stew | bronaugh: what are you curious about? |
| 00:14.50 | bronaugh | stew: what bpo was, what this debate was about, etc. |
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| 00:14.55 | bronaugh | think I've got it figured out. |
| 00:15.11 | stew | dpkg: tell bronaugh about bpo |
| 00:15.21 | bronaugh | uh yeah. I already msg'd dpkg |
| 00:15.59 | KaffeeJunky123 | stew: Yes they are, but a lenny with lot's of backported packages cannot be considered stable nor secure anymore |
| 00:16.35 | stew | KaffeeJunky123: ok, and so your advice is to run unstable or testing? |
| 00:17.07 | KaffeeJunky123 | if you really need a lot of functionality from testing run testing |
| 00:17.38 | KaffeeJunky123 | running unstable doesn't sound very reasonable thought |
| 00:17.53 | bronaugh | uh, in my experience unstable is less screwed up than testing. |
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| 00:18.18 | bronaugh | in testing, you get to wait 2 weeks for bug fixes to come in. |
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| 00:18.35 | bronaugh | theoretically there's less bugs up front, but yeah. |
| 00:18.50 | phuzion | Is there a fix for the new 0day exploit out yet? |
| 00:18.51 | bronaugh | wouldn't recommend either for a public facing machine. |
| 00:19.04 | KaffeeJunky123 | phuzion: What 0day exploit? |
| 00:19.23 | phuzion | http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2010/Sep/268 KaffeeJunky123 |
| 00:22.38 | KaffeeJunky123 | phuzion: the attachment is a binary |
| 00:23.12 | bronaugh | it's C code. |
| 00:24.28 | KaffeeJunky123 | oh FF was confused |
| 00:24.36 | KaffeeJunky123 | it is C code indeed |
| 00:24.51 | phuzion | KaffeeJunky123: Yeah, that's the exploit from what I understand |
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| 00:27.36 | bronaugh | static void put_your_hands_up_hooker(int argc, char *argv[]) |
| 00:27.37 | bronaugh | I'd say so. |
| 00:27.49 | stew | phuzion: does it have a mitre id assigned? |
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| 00:28.05 | phuzion | idk |
| 00:28.06 | bronaugh | apparently it has a 32-bit payload. |
| 00:28.14 | bronaugh | interim workaround is "disable exec of 32-bit binaries" |
| 00:28.27 | phuzion | i have a 32 bit system, not happening |
| 00:28.39 | bronaugh | yeah if you have a 32-bit system I don't think it'll do anything. |
| 00:28.43 | bronaugh | note that it's an amd64 flaw. |
| 00:28.43 | KaffeeJunky123 | phuzion: that exploit is targeting x86_64 |
| 00:29.19 | xyan | can anyone recommend me something like an exif editor? (with gui) |
| 00:29.36 | bronaugh | xyan: f-spot or digikam will do it. |
| 00:29.45 | phuzion | gimp should be able to edit EXIF too |
| 00:30.20 | bronaugh | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=CVE-2010-3081 |
| 00:30.22 | xyan | bronaugh: uuuh both of them pull in a lot of gnome stuff, im looking for a small and decent "only serves its purpose" version |
| 00:30.22 | bronaugh | deadrat |
| 00:30.22 | stew | phuzion: the mitre id is what you need to look it up in debian |
| 00:30.54 | phuzion | stew: ok |
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| 00:31.22 | bronaugh | exiv2 |
| 00:31.26 | bronaugh | apt-cache search exif btw |
| 00:31.45 | xyan | list been too long :) |
| 00:32.05 | stew | phuzion: then you'd look it up on http://security-tracker.debian.org |
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| 00:32.49 | bronaugh | http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2010-3081 |
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| 00:34.17 | bronaugh | ok so digging says "local" |
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| 00:35.02 | smacnay | did bakula get dropped from the Debian repos? |
| 00:35.45 | stew | judd: versions bacula |
| 00:35.48 | judd | bacula -- etch: 1.38.11-8; etch-backports: 2.4.4-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 2.4.4-1; lenny-backports: 5.0.2-1~bpo50+1; sid: 5.0.2-2; squeeze: 5.0.2-2 |
| 00:36.22 | smacnay | ah, wrong spelling |
| 00:36.23 | smacnay | sorry |
| 00:37.10 | bronaugh | http://sota.gen.nz/compat2/ |
| 00:38.14 | Renfield | I'm still having problems configuring GRUB. It almost seems as though my commands are not getting used. |
| 00:38.34 | Renfield | I am setting commands in /etc/default/grub and then running update-grub. |
| 00:38.55 | Renfield | I want it to just be silent for two seconds, and then boot. |
| 00:39.03 | Renfield | Unless I hit a key. |
| 00:39.58 | Renfield | I have configured various values for GRUB_TIMEOUT and GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT, but I can't get it to do what I want, or what the manual claims. |
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| 00:40.15 | qwd | I'm trying to reinstall Debian on my EEE 701 but it goes to Grub all the time. I purged grub and disabled the bootable flag on sda1 but it's *still* booting grub, only now it's not found. I've already set the usb drive to be the first drive, and first in the boot order, in the BIOS and that didn't solve it. Any ideas? |
| 00:41.11 | Renfield | Should I be using update-grub2? |
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| 00:41.31 | Renfield | What about /boot/grub/menu.lst? Is that used any more? |
| 00:41.41 | bronaugh | qwd: you need to install another boot loader to the MBR over grub. |
| 00:41.58 | bronaugh | the bootable flag is irrelevant. |
| 00:42.59 | qwd | bronaugh: how? it won't boot off the usb drive anymore |
| 00:43.36 | bronaugh | NFI why it won't do that. |
| 00:43.55 | bronaugh | that -will- be BIOS misbehaviour. |
| 00:44.16 | qwd | I'll try to recreate the usb drive and see if that solves anything. |
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| 00:49.13 | patriick | how come df tells me wrong info |
| 00:49.16 | patriick | /dev/hda1 233335 9907 210980 5% /boot |
| 00:49.16 | patriick | /dev/hdb 38475156 180236 36340476 1% /media/drive2 |
| 00:49.36 | patriick | theres no way i still have 210890 left on hda1, i added it up |
| 00:50.02 | bronaugh | did you use du |
| 00:50.26 | patriick | wotz dat |
| 00:50.37 | qwd | bronaugh: recreating it with unetbootin solved the problem |
| 00:50.39 | bronaugh | uh. it's what tells you how much space something is -actually- using |
| 00:50.43 | bronaugh | as opposed to the size on disk. |
| 00:50.49 | bronaugh | see there's these things called sparse files... |
| 00:50.55 | bronaugh | qwd: nice. |
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| 00:56.29 | patriick | how to tell rtorrent to download to a diff directory |
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| 00:59.13 | _dreamy | hi, can anyone recomend me a ligh linux ditro directioned to run vbox ? id apreciate it |
| 00:59.27 | qwd | patriick: schedule = watch_directory_1,10,10,"load_start=/torrentfolder/*.torrent,d.set_custom1=/destination" |
| 00:59.44 | qwd | _dreamy: debian |
| 01:00.01 | _dreamy | qwd: coudnt it get even lighter ? |
| 01:00.17 | _dreamy | its too run xp with only 256 megs :) |
| 01:01.35 | patriick | _dreamy: debian netinstall no graphical user interface, thats what im on with 256 megs |
| 01:01.49 | patriick | yess the terminal runns rather well XD |
| 01:02.17 | _dreamy | patriick: you mean XP ? from the terminal? |
| 01:02.25 | _dreamy | xd? :S |
| 01:02.47 | patriick | _dreamy: xp runs like s... crap with only 256 megs, use a terminal or buy some good hardware |
| 01:03.57 | _dreamy | i know more or less how it runs, im patient.. .. use a terminal like how ? running vbox from a terminal ? its possible? |
| 01:04.13 | patriick | u dont use vbox |
| 01:04.43 | patriick | irssi+rtorrent = life |
| 01:05.03 | bronaugh | _dreamy: you can use debian with fvwm or equivalent. |
| 01:05.07 | bronaugh | pretty lightweight. |
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| 01:05.23 | patriick | bronaugh: he wants to run a vm on a machine with only 256 megs of ram |
| 01:05.31 | bronaugh | so? |
| 01:05.37 | patriick | its like trying run just cause 2 on an ancient rig.. |
| 01:05.37 | bronaugh | depends what's being done in the VM |
| 01:05.45 | patriick | he said win xp |
| 01:05.53 | patriick | he is setting himself up for failure |
| 01:06.07 | bronaugh | you can run XP on what, 128? |
| 01:06.16 | _dreamy | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:06.22 | patriick | no im psure 256 is th rock bottom minimum |
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| 01:06.28 | bronaugh | no 64 is. |
| 01:06.42 | bronaugh | according to the wikipediaz |
| 01:07.00 | bronaugh | it'll be like watching paint dry but it'll work. |
| 01:07.02 | _dreamy | patriick: i had it running before.. i disposed 128 to it |
| 01:07.14 | bronaugh | _dreamy: why don't you just upgrade the RAM in the damned machine instead? |
| 01:07.24 | _dreamy | i will |
| 01:09.17 | Alystair | augh why is VMWare causing such issues, trying to install debian testing on a W7 VMware Workstation install and none of the ISOs are working, skips direct to attempt netboot |
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| 01:13.42 | _dreamy | does the unstable release of Elive boots from the ISo ? with the stable release i coudnt .. using unetbootin.. |
| 01:16.39 | stew | _dreamy: try #elive for help with elive |
| 01:16.48 | _dreamy | ty |
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| 01:36.34 | Bennij | So, at some point nbd put in my initramfs to do DHCP before booting |
| 01:36.48 | Bennij | Which doesn't work at all, and just makes the boot hang forever while it tries over and over again |
| 01:37.41 | Bennij | Is there a way to edit the initramfs to make it not do this? |
| 01:37.53 | Bennij | I mean, other than rebuilding it withing Debian, because it won't boot :P |
| 01:39.13 | Bennij | * within |
| 01:39.27 | sedulous | Bennij: you could boot a live/rescue system, mount your debian system, chroot and rebuilt the initrd |
| 01:39.30 | sedulous | *rebuild |
| 01:39.45 | Bennij | It's on an ARM device :| |
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| 01:40.00 | Bennij | A sheevaplug, specifically |
| 01:40.32 | sedulous | can you access the initrd file somehow? |
| 01:40.38 | Bennij | Yep |
| 01:40.53 | Bennij | But not from another ARM device |
| 01:41.04 | Bennij | Oh hey |
| 01:41.21 | Bennij | It finally gave up after 20 minutes |
| 01:41.30 | sedulous | you can unpack it on non-ARM system, change it, pack it up again |
| 01:41.48 | sedulous | initrd images are gzip/bzip/notsure + cpio archives |
| 01:41.50 | Bennij | No need now, I'll just uninstall nbd :D |
| 01:41.52 | phorce1 | so, what type of scripts do people use as a network connectivity watchdog on their systems? |
| 01:42.35 | phorce1 | It appears my wireless is a bit flaky but only requires an ifdown/ifu cycle when it loses its mind |
| 01:43.15 | sedulous | ping -n -w 1 -c 1 192.33.4.12 2>/dev/null 1>/dev/null && { echo Online } || { Offline } |
| 01:43.36 | Bop | There is 1 newly obsolete package: flashplugin-nonfree <- can anyone tell me why i get this message and there isnt a new replacement package when i do safe-upgrade ? |
| 01:44.08 | Bennij | gah, APT didn't automatically rebuild the initramfs |
| 01:44.29 | sedulous | (is there a shorter way to redirect both stderr and stdout to /dev/null?) |
| 01:44.49 | sedulous | phorce1: ^ |
| 01:45.16 | sedulous | you could run this as a cronjob, with { ifdown ... ifup ... } after || |
| 01:45.47 | sedulous | it sends only 1 ping, timeout 1 second (-w), might want to increase that |
| 01:45.59 | phorce1 | sedulous: playing with it now |
| 01:46.32 | sedulous | that IP is some random DNS root server which I assumed to be online 24/7 |
| 01:46.50 | sedulous | it has been for the past few years :) |
| 01:47.19 | sedulous | some anycast address might be better though, like 8.8.8.8 or 4.2.2.2 |
| 01:47.41 | phorce1 | sedulous: running it at the commandline just 'stops' with ">" on the command line requiring CTRL-C or CTRL-D to exit |
| 01:48.16 | sedulous | phorce1: oops. should be: ping -n -w 1 -c 1 192.33.4.12 2>/dev/null 1>/dev/null && { echo Online; } || { echo Offline; } |
| 01:48.28 | sedulous | (forgot the semicolons) |
| 01:48.29 | phorce1 | sedulous: and I'm just having it ping the local gateway. If it freaks out it can't even reach 192.168.1.1 |
| 01:49.36 | sedulous | even better then |
| 01:49.40 | phorce1 | has poor bash foo and would have taken hours to figure out why it was failing |
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| 01:50.10 | phorce1 | sedulous: the 1 second timeout is actually *WAY* too long <grin> |
| 01:50.43 | Tramp | sedulous: ping -q for less output, "&>" for redirection of both FDs |
| 01:51.30 | sedulous | Tramp: thank you! |
| 01:51.39 | Tramp | yw |
| 01:53.18 | phorce1 | ty both |
| 01:54.05 | phorce1 | now let's hope the system hasn't died (it's 3 miles from here) since I reset it earlier |
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| 01:54.47 | phorce1 | actually, I know it hasn't ... my phorce1_home nick is still logged in here |
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| 02:23.57 | NoCode | "warning, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0011' near line 6 package 'sdl-ball': |
| 02:23.57 | NoCode | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:24.12 | NoCode | dunno why |
| 02:24.29 | NoCode | line 5 and 6 |
| 02:26.10 | NoCode | there's about 10 or so lines like that when I install sdl-ball |
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| 02:27.09 | clement1ne | i am having trouble connecting to a bluetooth device (gps). i can see it via 'hcitool inq' and connect with it via rfcomm connect, i tried to authenticate with passkey-agent. initally it connected, but dropped. works will all other non-debian hardware...thoughts? |
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| 02:30.54 | CrazyFoam | i swapped out a motherboard, kept the drives, udev is renaming eth0+eth1 to eth2+eth3, how can i stop udev from doing that? |
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| 02:35.03 | pyrophelia | is there a "safe" way to shut a system down that is currently doing a raid rebuild? It takes ~4-5 days to resync this raid I don't want to loose my current progress |
| 02:35.49 | User_007 | does anybody knows how can i use git in order to get the last stable kernel? |
| 02:36.30 | User_007 | (and update it, but i just want to download the stable one) |
| 02:36.41 | bronaugh | uh, you don't need to use git for that. |
| 02:37.01 | bronaugh | also, you should seriously consider just running a Debian stock kernel. |
| 02:37.07 | bronaugh | they're not perfect but they are good enough. |
| 02:37.14 | pyrophelia | bronaugh: they're also old |
| 02:37.25 | bronaugh | so pull from debian experimental then. |
| 02:37.34 | bronaugh | I'm a slacker -- built enough kernels :) |
| 02:37.52 | clement1ne | /exitr |
| 02:37.55 | bronaugh | deb experimental -> not going to be worse than building it yourself, for the most part |
| 02:38.19 | pyrophelia | experimental tends to have a lot of broken stuff in it i've found |
| 02:38.26 | pyrophelia | btrfs doesn't work |
| 02:38.36 | bronaugh | yeah, you don't -run- experimental... |
| 02:38.40 | bronaugh | you pull kernel from there. |
| 02:38.57 | bronaugh | you're saying btrfs is more broken in deb experimental kernels than kernel.org? |
| 02:39.01 | pyrophelia | never tried that before |
| 02:39.03 | User_007 | yeah, but just in case, how can i use something to update just the changes of linux kernel? i use to download the full source everytime i need it. |
| 02:39.25 | bronaugh | uh, they distribute patches at kernel.org? |
| 02:39.36 | bronaugh | you patch your kernel source. |
| 02:40.07 | pyrophelia | I played with SID just so I could try out some benchmarking of btrfs in a VM |
| 02:40.09 | pyrophelia | very buggy |
| 02:40.09 | User_007 | if i need to update from 2.6.30 for 2.6.35 i can use patches? |
| 02:40.29 | bronaugh | yeah but it gets kind of pointless. |
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| 02:41.15 | pyrophelia | So i'm guessing it's kinda impossible to "pause" a mdadm rebuild eh? |
| 02:42.09 | bronaugh | pyrophelia: just set the resync min to 0k/sec. |
| 02:42.17 | bronaugh | I think it's also possible to pause it some other way. |
| 02:42.42 | pyrophelia | 0k wouldn't really do me any good, I need to shut the system down so progress would get lost |
| 02:44.02 | bronaugh | yeah, that kinda blows. |
| 02:44.06 | bronaugh | how big an array? |
| 02:44.21 | pyrophelia | 40~ |
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| 02:44.42 | pyrophelia | 40ish rather. don't recall of the top of my head. let me check the lvm |
| 02:45.27 | bronaugh | T? |
| 02:45.45 | pyrophelia | 53 |
| 02:45.46 | pyrophelia | yea |
| 02:45.49 | I-are- | If I want to add moonlight to mozilla in debian lenny, should I use the squeeze repository, and what might that do to my system, is it potentially going to cause me some issues having squeeze in my sourses.list like having sid does? |
| 02:46.03 | bronaugh | damn. that's going to take a while... |
| 02:46.09 | pyrophelia | thats my problem >< |
| 02:46.09 | bronaugh | best case probably 8 hours. |
| 02:46.14 | pyrophelia | LMAO.... |
| 02:46.15 | pyrophelia | try again |
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| 02:46.32 | bronaugh | as of recent kernels md will sync up at each individual disk's write speed |
| 02:46.51 | bronaugh | so you're more limited by size of disk and i/o throughput than array size. |
| 02:46.53 | pyrophelia | recent as in? |
| 02:47.04 | bronaugh | recent as in I noticed it in >= 2.6.30 kernels. |
| 02:47.14 | Bop | There is 1 newly obsolete package: flashplugin-nonfree <- can anyone tell me why i get this message and there isnt a new replacement package when i do safe-upgrade ? |
| 02:47.15 | bronaugh | possibly earlier. |
| 02:47.42 | pyrophelia | my raid rebuild never breaks 20MBps. and I'm running 2.6.33 |
| 02:47.58 | bronaugh | what's the estimated time to finish? |
| 02:48.15 | pyrophelia | 1170m |
| 02:48.34 | bronaugh | 20 hours? not too bad. |
| 02:48.42 | bronaugh | how long has it been running? |
| 02:48.50 | pyrophelia | 1 day so far |
| 02:48.55 | pyrophelia | but I really need to shut it down |
| 02:48.57 | I-are- | has anyone done this? Added the moonlight-mozilla-plugin to debian lenny? |
| 02:49.03 | pyrophelia | the power is going down here in a bit and I don't want it to be a hard shutdown |
| 02:49.05 | bronaugh | 3TB disks? |
| 02:49.09 | pyrophelia | 1.5 |
| 02:49.11 | bronaugh | huh. |
| 02:49.18 | bronaugh | ok so it's averaging 10 |
| 02:49.20 | bronaugh | that sucks. |
| 02:49.31 | pyrophelia | yeap |
| 02:49.44 | bronaugh | since we do similar crap here w/big friggin raid arrays, I have to ask you |
| 02:49.50 | bronaugh | how are those disks connected and what chassis? |
| 02:50.16 | pyrophelia | backblaze 4u. sata to pcie 2x lanes |
| 02:50.38 | MrFrood | I-are-: from the web-site or reposotory? |
| 02:50.51 | bronaugh | -those-? crazy. |
| 02:50.57 | bronaugh | I read about those a few months back. |
| 02:50.58 | pyrophelia | aye |
| 02:51.01 | pyrophelia | they're nice |
| 02:51.05 | bronaugh | yeah I don't doubt it. |
| 02:51.06 | MrFrood | :P |
| 02:51.14 | pyrophelia | we built around 1PB for less than 80K |
| 02:51.16 | bronaugh | how much do they run? |
| 02:51.29 | pyrophelia | our first 4u cost about 10k after all the parts were in |
| 02:51.47 | pyrophelia | but I've learned a few tricks along the way. I can build them now for about $6.8 |
| 02:51.49 | bronaugh | just so you know Seagate's selling 3TB hard drives in external enclosures for $210ish |
| 02:51.57 | I-are- | MrFrood, either I think at this point. Here is the issue. Stanford university has some opencourseware stuff on their website. I want to watch it. It requires silverlight. I clicked the link and got the Novell moonlight 2.3 install. |
| 02:52.05 | bronaugh | they're standard internal drives inside -- Barracuda XT 3000GB |
| 02:52.12 | qwd | Hi, I'm trying to setup wifi on my EEE 701 following http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/Wifi (under: Wpa supplicant with PSK") but it doesn't seem to be working. Can someone help me find the problem? |
| 02:52.12 | bronaugh | might knock your costs down a little. |
| 02:52.39 | qwd | Oh and I'm using Debian Testing, sorry about that. |
| 02:53.03 | pyrophelia | I havne't looked into it for a couple months but the 1.5s had the cheapest cost per GB |
| 02:53.13 | I-are- | I installed it, restarted firefox and clicked on a video. I accepted the Microsoft agreement, downloaded the content license and the video did not start. The timer moved along nicely, but all I got was a blank screen with a picture of the moonlight logo in the middle. |
| 02:53.16 | bronaugh | they are, but the chassis costs too. |
| 02:53.26 | bronaugh | when you figure in chassis costs I think the gap likely closes. |
| 02:53.47 | pyrophelia | eh...it's not that bad |
| 02:53.56 | pyrophelia | the most expensive part of the build are the 45 drives |
| 02:54.08 | bronaugh | yeah, but we're talking about a $10/T difference between the two types of drives. |
| 02:54.17 | I-are- | MrFrood, I am hoping that uninstalling the Novell moonlight and installing one that might work better with debian, and the plugin for mozilla will fix my problem, |
| 02:54.21 | MrFrood | I'vr tied both before now both seemed to work ok, with supported sites - if it's not workng with your site you may want to try the beta they made for the winter olympics |
| 02:54.27 | pyrophelia | i'll look into it |
| 02:54.44 | I-are- | MrFrood, but, the last time I used sid my system was very hard to use. Will that happen also with squeeze? |
| 02:54.49 | bronaugh | so I'm surprised you're doing that poorly with read/write speeds. |
| 02:55.03 | bronaugh | we hook our drives up directly with LSI controllers (they're about $200/8 ports) |
| 02:55.11 | bronaugh | and we get pretty much full throughput. |
| 02:55.20 | pyrophelia | LSI controllers? |
| 02:55.20 | I-are- | MrFrood, sorry for the long explanation, but I thought it might help you to understand my plight |
| 02:55.21 | nsadmin | it depends on why your system was hArd to use |
| 02:55.35 | bronaugh | yeah, LSISAS1068E based cards. |
| 02:55.47 | bronaugh | they're cheap and they work |
| 02:55.50 | I-are- | nsadmin, you talking to me? |
| 02:56.02 | bronaugh | still going to cost more than your setup. |
| 02:56.31 | pyrophelia | SAS cards? |
| 02:56.32 | nsadmin | I-are-, yeah. why is/was your system hard to use? |
| 02:56.44 | bronaugh | yeah, but ignore that. they work fine with sata. |
| 02:57.01 | MrFrood | I-are-: the beta then is probally the one you want (feature implementation moonlight lags behind silverlight by a wide margin) |
| 02:57.17 | I-are- | my system was hard to use because I am a fairly new user and installing sid and running an update and upgrade messed up my dependencies, I am not really good at repairing that kind of thing yet. |
| 02:57.40 | MrFrood | *implementation on moonlight |
| 02:57.58 | nsadmin | then you might be more comfortable with stable |
| 02:58.18 | nsadmin | additionally, you might learn some unix-style fundamentals |
| 02:58.40 | pyrophelia | bronaugh: I don't know if it would work, we use SATA port replicators. it might turn into a bigger pain than it's worth |
| 02:58.42 | MrFrood | the beta should install like anyother firefox/iceweasel addon from the moonlight site |
| 02:58.58 | bronaugh | pyrophelia: I haven't tested these cards with port replicators, so I can't really comment. |
| 02:59.06 | pyrophelia | that's the issue |
| 02:59.10 | bronaugh | but... yeah. sounds like you're getting bottlenecked by the cards. |
| 02:59.17 | pyrophelia | remember, it's a single 4u with 45 disks |
| 02:59.19 | pyrophelia | hmm |
| 02:59.24 | pyrophelia | well I don't know |
| 02:59.29 | I-are- | nsadmin, MrFrood, All I see in the apt-cache search for moonlight is an install for mooonlight, there is not a firefox plugin in stable. So I should install the moonlight from repo or from website? |
| 02:59.33 | bronaugh | we used little crappy PCIe 1x SATA cards as an experiment. |
| 02:59.39 | bronaugh | they pull 140M/sec aggregate. that's it. |
| 02:59.50 | bronaugh | and more like 100M/sec from one port. |
| 03:00.22 | bronaugh | the advantage of the LSI cards is that a) they're cheap and b) there's one full PCIe lane for each port. |
| 03:00.51 | pyrophelia | yea the board i'm using doesn't have that many x8 |
| 03:00.52 | MrFrood | I-are-: depends on what features your happy with - the ones on the site have more but the deb will install for all users |
| 03:00.58 | pyrophelia | it has 3 x2's and 1 x16 |
| 03:01.07 | bronaugh | bloody desktop boards. |
| 03:01.14 | pyrophelia | it's cheap :P |
| 03:01.17 | bronaugh | yeah. |
| 03:01.20 | bronaugh | how much? |
| 03:01.22 | bronaugh | (curious) |
| 03:01.33 | pyrophelia | the last box I built was around $5k |
| 03:01.36 | qwd | I can see the network with iwlist wlan0 scanning but I don't know how to actually use it |
| 03:01.38 | bronaugh | for the board |
| 03:01.45 | pyrophelia | ... |
| 03:01.52 | bronaugh | motherboard that has crappy PCIe :P |
| 03:01.59 | pyrophelia | I'm thinking |
| 03:02.01 | bronaugh | or just give me model. |
| 03:02.41 | pyrophelia | I don't recall, i'll have to look at the build order 1 sec |
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| 03:03.21 | Bop | There is 1 newly obsolete package: flashplugin-nonfree <- can anyone tell me why i get this message and there isnt a new replacement package when i do safe-upgrade ? |
| 03:03.37 | bronaugh | Bop: you're running amd64 right? |
| 03:03.46 | Bop | no 32 bits |
| 03:03.52 | bronaugh | ok. |
| 03:03.53 | pyrophelia | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121349&Tpk=Intel%20BOXDG43NB%20LGA%20775%20G43%20ATX%20Motherboard |
| 03:04.24 | Bop | i just dont understand why the msg |
| 03:04.32 | bronaugh | pyrophelia: huge price spread... weird. |
| 03:04.41 | bronaugh | so I'm guessing you got it for ~$120 then. |
| 03:04.49 | pyrophelia | $70 |
| 03:05.10 | bronaugh | ok yeah. |
| 03:05.11 | pyrophelia | they're not making them anymore so I bought a bunch when people like newegg were trying to get rid of them |
| 03:05.12 | bronaugh | that is cheap like dirt. |
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| 03:05.44 | bronaugh | so you're running C2D. ok. |
| 03:06.01 | pyrophelia | C2D? |
| 03:06.08 | bronaugh | Core2Duo |
| 03:06.10 | pyrophelia | ah |
| 03:06.13 | pyrophelia | yeap |
| 03:06.18 | bronaugh | yeah we're using i7 crap. |
| 03:06.23 | pyrophelia | why |
| 03:06.24 | I-are- | if I am prompted to watch streaming content in Itunes, what can I use with debian to accomplish this? |
| 03:06.27 | pyrophelia | aren't those things insanely hot? |
| 03:06.46 | bronaugh | fairly. I think the CPUs we're using are 80W |
| 03:06.56 | pyrophelia | I-are-: it depends on the cotent |
| 03:07.12 | pyrophelia | I-are-: if the url is itunes:// then you can't |
| 03:07.39 | pyrophelia | I-are-: however is it's just a raw link to a video or some kind of music file vlc should play it fine |
| 03:08.04 | bronaugh | anyhow, I'm surprised you're not running SLI boards. |
| 03:08.15 | bronaugh | gets you another x16 PCIe cheap. |
| 03:08.31 | pyrophelia | would make much sense |
| 03:08.39 | pyrophelia | the sata cards we use are only 2x |
| 03:08.48 | bronaugh | so how cheap are they, dare I ask? :P |
| 03:09.15 | pyrophelia | 30 ish for the sata cards. 50 for the 5 port replicators |
| 03:09.20 | bronaugh | jesus. ok. |
| 03:09.26 | bronaugh | so those get you what, 4 ports? |
| 03:09.36 | pyrophelia | 2 ports per sata card |
| 03:09.45 | bronaugh | oh. hm. |
| 03:09.51 | bronaugh | so they're not totally stupid on the face of it. |
| 03:10.00 | pyrophelia | :P |
| 03:10.14 | pyrophelia | when it comes down to it they get decent speeds |
| 03:10.15 | bronaugh | have you benchmarked how much you can pull down? |
| 03:10.19 | pyrophelia | it's just raid rebuilds that suck |
| 03:10.22 | pyrophelia | 180Mbps |
| 03:10.30 | pyrophelia | 180 read, 166ish write |
| 03:10.32 | bronaugh | that sounds weak. |
| 03:10.38 | bronaugh | that's off 1 port or 2? |
| 03:10.44 | I-are- | ok I finally got the video to play. I don't know if it matters, but I had to disable the plugin, restart firefox, enable the plugin, restart firefox and now it works, (moonlight that is) |
| 03:10.44 | pyrophelia | for the raid |
| 03:10.48 | bronaugh | wow. ok. |
| 03:10.51 | pyrophelia | I never benchmarked the card |
| 03:11.02 | bronaugh | ok. we spent some more money, I'll grant that. |
| 03:11.11 | pyrophelia | we use the hell out of them so as I build them they get used |
| 03:11.17 | pyrophelia | I don't really have time to play with the boxes |
| 03:11.18 | bronaugh | but we pull down ~1.4GB/sec linear reads, ~200M/sec writes on raid6 |
| 03:11.20 | bronaugh | md raid |
| 03:11.37 | pyrophelia | wow |
| 03:11.52 | pyrophelia | how many disks per raid6? |
| 03:11.55 | bronaugh | 16 |
| 03:12.10 | pyrophelia | hmm |
| 03:12.18 | bronaugh | so we're about 30% off theoretical max. |
| 03:12.46 | bronaugh | about 10% of that is because we used the on board controller (a 1068E as well), which is hooked up with an x4 link. |
| 03:13.00 | bronaugh | we benched it with two cards; that's how I know. |
| 03:13.06 | pyrophelia | hmm |
| 03:13.31 | bronaugh | writes still suck, but need to fix mdraid for that to stop. |
| 03:14.20 | pyrophelia | how much per chasis? |
| 03:14.50 | I-are- | thanks again |
| 03:15.22 | bronaugh | pyrophelia: I think that one cost $1100 or something. |
| 03:15.27 | bronaugh | redundant PSUs |
| 03:16.03 | bronaugh | http://www.supermicro.com/products/chassis/3U/836/SC836A-R1200.cfm |
| 03:16.06 | bronaugh | 900W in our case. |
| 03:16.13 | bronaugh | apparently they've discontinued the 900W model. |
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| 03:17.59 | bronaugh | actual power consumption at the wall is ~500W |
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| 03:19.03 | pyrophelia | what board? |
| 03:19.11 | bronaugh | X8DT3-F |
| 03:19.19 | bronaugh | cost about $500; dual socket Xeon |
| 03:21.11 | bronaugh | this is what we're currently pricing out: https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AmawxjXON6CRcmh5eTRLb29CYTNXT3NyaG1waG5VNkE&hl=en |
| 03:22.08 | pyrophelia | what are the ssds for, meta-disks? |
| 03:22.20 | bronaugh | boot. |
| 03:22.33 | bronaugh | and random crap that actually needs good random read/write perf. |
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| 03:23.13 | pyrophelia | what fs do you use? |
| 03:23.40 | bronaugh | -been- using xfs... |
| 03:23.44 | bronaugh | looking at ext4 |
| 03:23.46 | pyrophelia | i've read that btrfs was built with massive raids in mind and they have special features just for ssds in the raid for meta data |
| 03:23.51 | pyrophelia | dont |
| 03:23.54 | pyrophelia | xfs > ext4 |
| 03:24.06 | pyrophelia | every test I do, ext4 fails |
| 03:24.07 | bronaugh | fails how? |
| 03:24.13 | pyrophelia | for 1 it's slower |
| 03:24.18 | pyrophelia | even on my system |
| 03:24.24 | qwd | My EEE 701 wifi problem was solved by installing wicd-ncurses |
| 03:24.42 | bronaugh | hmm. how about reliability? |
| 03:24.58 | pyrophelia | second, the tools to to check ext4 filesystems greater than 14TB are still really buggy |
| 03:25.11 | bronaugh | yay. uhh. |
| 03:25.28 | bronaugh | I've noticed that the tools seem to be lagging pretty badly. |
| 03:25.39 | bronaugh | looking at the changelog they're still fixing random mayhem. |
| 03:25.46 | pyrophelia | try btrfs |
| 03:26.04 | pyrophelia | with compression I get 220MBps reads, but I'm afraid to put it on a production box |
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| 03:26.14 | nsadmin | YES!! We want to store more data about the filesystem and less in it! |
| 03:26.16 | pyrophelia | on your server i'm sure you'd blow that away |
| 03:26.33 | pyrophelia | nsadmin, pardon? |
| 03:27.05 | bronaugh | yeah, worried about reliability with btrfs. |
| 03:27.08 | pyrophelia | nsadmin, if your complaining about how much space btfs uses for crc tables just turn on compression |
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| 03:27.20 | bronaugh | what kind of compression? lzo? |
| 03:27.29 | bronaugh | oh. hah. zlib. |
| 03:27.29 | bronaugh | no |
| 03:27.35 | bronaugh | fail at high throughput rates. |
| 03:27.41 | pyrophelia | oh? |
| 03:27.51 | bronaugh | gzip is hard to multithread. |
| 03:28.02 | pyrophelia | yea you will hit a cpu wall |
| 03:28.04 | bronaugh | and it maxes out at a few hundred megs a second or so on a single CPU. |
| 03:28.27 | bronaugh | ironically bzip2 is much easier to multithread. |
| 03:28.35 | pyrophelia | ironically? |
| 03:28.36 | bronaugh | but it's so much slower that it doesn't matter. |
| 03:28.47 | pyrophelia | I was about to say |
| 03:28.59 | pyrophelia | bzip wouldn't exaclty be very effecient for that kind of application |
| 03:29.41 | bronaugh | nope, it's a total fail. |
| 03:29.47 | bronaugh | lzo is really good for high throughput applications. |
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| 03:29.55 | bronaugh | that's why I'm surprised they don't seem to be using it. |
| 03:29.56 | pyrophelia | never tried it before |
| 03:29.57 | Dewi | b = "block sort" |
| 03:30.07 | Dewi | probably implementable on any paralellizable sort algorithm |
| 03:30.26 | nsadmin | a total fail or a fatal toil? |
| 03:30.28 | bronaugh | Dewi: there's no sorting. it simply grabs a block at a time. |
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| 03:30.33 | bronaugh | max block size is 900k |
| 03:30.44 | pyrophelia | brb |
| 03:30.47 | Dewi | bronaugh: sorting is how bzip2 works |
| 03:31.07 | Dewi | bronaugh: it splits into blocks, sorts them for better receiption by a standard huffman encoder at the end |
| 03:31.42 | bronaugh | Dewi: uh; no. you read in chunks of N kilobytes, and compress them. it may reorder it -within- those blocks but externally to those blocks there is no reordering. |
| 03:32.05 | Dewi | of course |
| 03:32.16 | bronaugh | I wrote a multithreaded bzip2 compressor a while back. perfect scalability. |
| 03:32.21 | bronaugh | and it's easy as can be. |
| 03:32.51 | nsadmin | how easy can it beee if it's written in ceee... |
| 03:33.00 | bronaugh | easy? |
| 03:33.33 | Dewi | nsadmin: there's a python implementation... |
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| 03:33.41 | Dewi | (let's make it even slower! :) |
| 03:34.24 | bronaugh | meh, it'll just be interfacing to the C lib. |
| 03:34.33 | bronaugh | basically all of the heavy lifting happens in there. |
| 03:34.34 | Dewi | no |
| 03:34.44 | bronaugh | pure python? |
| 03:34.51 | bronaugh | I'm amused if so. |
| 03:34.54 | Dewi | http://www.paul.sladen.org/projects/pyflate/ |
| 03:35.01 | Dewi | yeah :) |
| 03:35.20 | Dewi | I saw a pure-c# implementation of vorbis decode yesterday too |
| 03:35.31 | Dewi | I don't think anyone really uses these things for real |
| 03:35.38 | bronaugh | then again, I wrote an inverse distance weighting interpolation routine in GNU R and made it perform, so I'm not one to talk. |
| 03:36.41 | bronaugh | (yay vector mashing) |
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| 03:38.29 | Dewi | bronaugh: so you were just distributing the 0..900k blocks between workers right? |
| 03:38.42 | bronaugh | yup. |
| 03:38.47 | bronaugh | actually had a ring buffer |
| 03:38.56 | bronaugh | one thread reading, one thread writing, n threads compressing. |
| 03:40.07 | Dewi | it's hard not to be terrified of doing threaded programming in C |
| 03:40.23 | bronaugh | it was pretty easy. |
| 03:40.28 | bronaugh | ended up with one lock in the end. |
| 03:40.31 | Dewi | but then again it's not easy anywhere |
| 03:40.44 | bronaugh | you grabbed the lock, changed the state of the blocks in the ring buffer, then unlocked. |
| 03:40.48 | Dewi | bronaugh: that sounds nice and simple |
| 03:40.58 | bronaugh | the biggest mistake I made was not having enough states. |
| 03:41.13 | bronaugh | fixed that, but caused intermittent weird errors before I did. |
| 03:41.44 | Dewi | I'm pretty good at understanding the rules and the risks of parallel, but really bad at coming up with good designs |
| 03:42.13 | bronaugh | yeah. |
| 03:42.20 | bronaugh | well; most problems aren't that easy. |
| 03:43.07 | bronaugh | anyhow. gone. |
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| 03:51.05 | chupacabra | adobe has 64 bit flash that works in debian Sid. |
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| 03:53.30 | patriick | ok so i got the second drive mounted and workin but now i can't figure out how to give my normal user permission to use it |
| 03:53.32 | flaarg | chupacabra: works in testing too |
| 03:53.36 | patriick | only root has axx :-\ |
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| 03:55.45 | peterrooney | dpkg died? |
| 03:56.06 | peterrooney | we may actually have to call upon skills |
| 03:56.42 | peterrooney | patriick: pardon me for being late to the party, what filesystem is it? |
| 03:57.04 | qq- | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:59.04 | patriick | peterrooney: im on debian netinstall lenny |
| 03:59.07 | patriick | ext3 |
| 04:00.06 | Bop | There is 1 newly obsolete package: flashplugin-nonfree <- can anyone tell me why i get this message and there isnt a new replacement package when i do safe-upgrade ? |
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| 04:03.07 | qq- | , versions flashplugin-nonfree |
| 04:03.08 | judd | flashplugin-nonfree -- etch-backports/contrib: 1:1.4~bpo40+1; lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.8.1~bpo50+1; sid/contrib: 1:2.8.1 |
| 04:03.24 | qq- | Bop, not in squeeze .. |
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| 04:09.40 | peterrooney | patriick: (i) what does `mount' say about that filesystem (don't paste the whole thing, just the one line), and (ii) what errors do users get? |
| 04:10.04 | patriick | i just get permission denied when i try to access from my non root user |
| 04:10.28 | patriick | /dev/hdb on /media/drive2 type ext3 (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) |
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| 04:11.22 | chupacabra | flaarg, nice |
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| 04:25.05 | kingsley | What would use an extra hard drive for? |
| 04:27.07 | NiLon | kingsley you might wanna rephrase that |
| 04:27.38 | kingsley | NiLon: Thank you. |
| 04:27.48 | kingsley | What would you use an extra hard drive for? |
| 04:28.18 | NiLon | for more space or performance |
| 04:30.09 | kingsley | NiLon: Can you elaborate? |
| 04:30.42 | NiLon | there's no universal reason to get hard drive.. |
| 04:30.46 | peterrooney | patriick: /bin/ls -ald /media/drive2 # I'm wondering who owns the filesystem, and want to check permissions of directory |
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| 04:34.10 | flaarg | ugg java6 is broke |
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| 04:34.40 | nutron | I am experiencing a bug in gnome vfs. When trying to delete (move to trash) a file that's mounted on an nfs share, it errors with "Not on the same file system" while deleting ... filename. I am running lenny, and I see that redhat has released a patch for their version. I'm wondering if there's a fix out there for stable? |
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| 05:00.09 | slonopotamus | when i do apt-get install <smth>, for _some_ <smth> apt-get asks for confirmation and for some it doesn't (and just goes on with installing). why is that? |
| 05:02.16 | slonopotamus | additionally, topic tells me (since i'm a newcomer) to talk to dpkg, but she isn't online. |
| 05:02.43 | nutron | hmm well lenny's really not feeling stable in gnome... I also have an issue with, programs magically switching workspaces... these bugs are old and long-standing... wth |
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| 05:03.05 | tp43_ | Hi, I am not getting any sound, I see snd when I do lsmod, and I ran alsamixer, and sound isn't muted, but I don't hear anything |
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| 05:03.36 | nutron | tp43_: the alsa site has a good troubleshooting page on the wiki. Try that out. |
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| 05:05.47 | tp43_ | nutron, do you have a link on the site? |
| 05:06.31 | nutron | tp43_: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/TroubleShooting |
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| 05:13.56 | patriick | ok... so chown what to allow non root user to access directory |
| 05:13.56 | patriick | ?? |
| 05:14.31 | nutron | probably group or others |
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| 05:14.48 | patriick | screw it, imma just ssh in as root so ican use gui |
| 05:14.51 | nutron | that's chmod though, I wasn't here for the convo |
| 05:14.55 | flaarg | slonopotamus: it asks for confirmation if it will install more than you ask it to, like dependencies. I believe |
| 05:16.33 | slonopotamus | okay, one more question. why apt-cache search <smth> is giving me results that do _not_ contain <smth>? like, http://codepad.org/0NiXivxu |
| 05:16.53 | simonrvn | try with --names-only |
| 05:17.23 | slonopotamus | simonrvn: i want to search text and description |
| 05:17.25 | Dewi | slonopotamus: it also searches fields like synopsis and description |
| 05:17.42 | simonrvn | make up your mind |
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| 05:18.01 | flaarg | slonopotamus: cmth is in other fields not shown |
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| 05:18.21 | flaarg | slonopotamus: this is why I normally use aptitude search |
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| 05:18.55 | slonopotamus | okay, thanks |
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| 05:51.11 | hell_razer | can anybody share ascii.pif (for grub1.96 fonts - debian 5.0.6) |
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| 05:55.07 | zacharyzo | anyone know when will be released patches against that new exploits ? |
| 05:56.31 | hell_razer | upload pls /usr/share/grub/ascii.pff |
| 05:56.38 | hell_razer | 5.0.6 users |
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| 06:13.04 | willemb | Hey. Can anyone tell me if tmpreaper can take regexes or wildcards in the directory list? |
| 06:19.14 | flaarg | willemb: read the man page, there is a --protected option that takes a shell pattern |
| 06:19.24 | flaarg | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:48.14 | nutron | ok, here's a question, I just want to know where I can look for ideas to auto log out a gnome session by a certain time each day. I already have a shutdown sequence that's called by cron, that's fine, but I want to warn the user with say .. zenity that ya gotta hurry up because you're going to be logged out |
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| 06:58.05 | evilaim | Hey guys, how do I lock a user to their /home/USER dir? |
| 06:58.36 | evilaim | I've added to: /etc/security/chroot.conf |
| 06:58.44 | evilaim | I typed in there: tekky /home/tekky |
| 06:58.47 | evilaim | then saved file |
| 06:58.52 | evilaim | Any ideas? |
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| 07:04.04 | willemb | I get error: Cannot chdir() to `'/usr/www/users/*/tmp/.'' for --protect glob: No such file or directory |
| 07:04.50 | willemb | when I try to run tmpreaper with /usr/www/users/*/tmp/ in the TMPREAPER_DIRS |
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| 07:18.46 | patriick | need help with openSSH |
| 07:18.49 | patriick | how to remove the keys |
| 07:19.03 | patriick | Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key |
| 07:19.03 | patriick | Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key |
| 07:19.03 | patriick | Restarting OpenBSD Secure Shell server: sshdCould not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key |
| 07:19.06 | patriick | Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key |
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| 07:19.21 | niklaswe | patriick: just generate new keys |
| 07:19.29 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell patriick about paste |
| 07:19.32 | patriick | niklaswe: i dont want keys ffs |
| 07:19.34 | niklaswe | with ssh-keygen -t rsa and ssh-keygen -t dsa |
| 07:19.42 | niklaswe | patriick: oh |
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| 07:20.55 | niklaswe | patriick: remove it from config file then! |
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| 07:22.35 | patriick | niklaswe: i tried that like 100 times |
| 07:22.38 | patriick | nothing works |
| 07:22.46 | patriick | paste config files? |
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| 07:24.53 | Dewi | patriick: what do you mean you don't want keys? |
| 07:25.03 | Dewi | patriick: that's a host key, all sshds have a host key |
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| 07:26.17 | jpinx-eeepc | wonders if patriick knows what ssh is |
| 07:26.34 | Dewi | patriick: if you want to turn off host key checks do it at the client side |
| 07:26.43 | Dewi | patriick: but I suspect you're just deleting important stuff at random |
| 07:26.59 | patriick | https://pastee.org/gtc78 |
| 07:27.02 | patriick | Dewi: probably |
| 07:27.26 | Dewi | patriick: no, there is no valid config that I know of without host keys. They are integral to sshd |
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| 07:28.17 | Dewi | patriick: why do you want to remove it? |
| 07:28.27 | D4rKr0W | has anyone set up a ldap directory with mozilla's scheme? i can't figure out how to set it up correctly |
| 07:28.35 | patriick | cuz all ive gotten is errors since i've started messing with it |
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| 07:28.46 | patriick | precedes to start from scratch |
| 07:29.20 | patriick | god this is gonna a PIA |
| 07:29.25 | Dewi | patriick: well you can generate a new one but all your clients will warn you it has changed |
| 07:29.33 | Dewi | patriick: why are you messing with that at all? |
| 07:29.43 | patriick | Dewi: nahh i deleted a lot of folders and crap |
| 07:30.00 | patriick | Dewi: its a learning experience |
| 07:30.16 | patriick | is about to aptitude uninstall openSSH |
| 07:30.19 | Dewi | patriick: dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server |
| 07:30.34 | Dewi | will generate new ones if there are none there |
| 07:31.02 | Dewi | you'll get "WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED!" next time you log in though, so be prepared for that |
| 07:31.14 | patriick | wot about my config file.. |
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| 07:31.25 | Dewi | patriick: is there anything wrong with it? |
| 07:33.39 | sander^work | How can I mesure the network activity? |
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| 07:33.53 | pawle | hi there |
| 07:33.58 | Dewi | sander^work: any number of ways. ntop? |
| 07:34.07 | pawle | do you know any .cn channel@freenode? |
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| 07:34.29 | Dewi | pawle: chinese language? |
| 07:34.54 | pawle | chinese people, i need someone who can download firmware for me |
| 07:35.09 | pawle | someone has renamed rarfile |
| 07:35.13 | sander^work | Dewi, I just want to see a live picture of up/down speed |
| 07:35.17 | pawle | and added national signs |
| 07:35.24 | pawle | http://www.mele.cn/en/web/down_list.aspx?cid=GJS |
| 07:36.07 | Dewi | sander^work: http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-system-monitor/stable/gnome-system-monitor-usage.html.en |
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| 07:36.38 | sander^work | Dewi, In a console? |
| 07:36.48 | Dewi | sander^work: consoles don't generally show pictures |
| 07:37.17 | sander^work | Dewi, Sorry.. I meant a text based overview.. like in top |
| 07:37.30 | sander^work | curses based. or something. |
| 07:37.53 | sander^work | I've done it before.. just don't remember the command. |
| 07:38.01 | Dewi | sander^work: ntop used to be that, years ago, but I dunno what you'd use now |
| 07:38.23 | nutron | iptraf |
| 07:39.06 | Dewi | nutron: ah yeah. Nice, I need to start using that |
| 07:39.14 | pht | so i am running a virtual machine with debian testing on my localhost and scping to that vm is going like 800 kb/s |
| 07:39.28 | pht | why is that? the same setup with centos goes blazing fast |
| 07:39.31 | nutron | Dewi: bwm-ng is better for overall, especially i/o |
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| 07:39.50 | Dewi | pht: try a different cipher like arcfour |
| 07:39.58 | Dewi | or twofish if you want something secure yet fast |
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| 07:41.09 | Dewi | nutron: hey do you happen to know if I can graph / get notified of excessive smtp sends? |
| 07:41.10 | pht | Dewi, cipher? |
| 07:41.22 | pht | Dewi, the cpu utilization is 2% |
| 07:41.46 | Dewi | pht: what's on the other end? |
| 07:42.05 | Dewi | pht: openssh's buffering used to suck, but it's great on newer versions |
| 07:42.11 | Dewi | pht: but lenny's always been fine for me |
| 07:42.14 | nutron | Dewi: hmm, monit might be able to do that... or mon .. I don't remember |
| 07:42.27 | Dewi | nutron: munin? |
| 07:42.28 | sander^work | nutron, thanks.. :-) |
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| 07:42.34 | patriick | Dewi: hey it worked |
| 07:42.39 | patriick | now i might be able to sleep tonight |
| 07:43.13 | nutron | munin is graphing .. i believe... monit I think it's called... but you need to pipe a running total for ports... which is an exercise left up to you :P |
| 07:43.22 | pht | Dewi, on the other end is the same thing that works on 1 gbit/s when centos is instead of debian in the vm |
| 07:43.25 | nutron | I know I did it for ssh, a looooong loong time ago |
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| 07:44.35 | nutron | oh yeah it was a bash script that got the iptables accounting numbers per port, then piped to monit :) |
| 07:44.44 | nutron | which was the seksi |
| 07:45.06 | Dewi | nutron: heh, I never thought of that |
| 07:45.16 | Dewi | nutron: I was thinking I'd have to get the MTA to tell me. Good idea. |
| 07:45.36 | Dewi | but that's even better in case somebody somehow got a mailbot running, I'd still know |
| 07:45.47 | patriick | Dewi: omg thank you |
| 07:45.48 | nutron | aye |
| 07:45.56 | patriick | Dewi: you just like saved my life |
| 07:46.02 | Dewi | patriick: well... np :P |
| 07:46.04 | patriick | welp sleep |
| 07:46.18 | nutron | monit is my wingman, it replaced a junior admin here :) |
| 07:46.51 | Dewi | haha, it'd definitely replace me if I was still in that line of work |
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| 07:47.42 | patriick | so does dpkg -reconfigure stuff work with all deamons? |
| 07:47.45 | nutron | well not that it got someone fired, I just never re-filled the position |
| 07:47.50 | patriick | like ircd etc |
| 07:48.04 | nutron | patriick: dpkg-reconfigure will work on any .dev |
| 07:48.07 | nutron | err deb |
| 07:48.13 | Dewi | patriick: it works on packages, re-runs their initial setup that normally runs on install/upgrade |
| 07:48.16 | patriick | well thats god |
| 07:48.22 | patriick | i would've used that so many times |
| 07:48.30 | patriick | in the past |
| 07:48.56 | nutron | anyone familiar with utmp, namely, what program shows me what it contains? is w directly related to it? |
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| 07:50.28 | Dewi | patriick: apt is concerned with transport and dependencies, dpkg is the thing dealing with actual packages |
| 07:51.26 | peterrooney | patriick: probably an important setting regarding dpkg-reconfigure is the priority. dpkg-reconfigure debconf to set it. |
| 07:52.03 | Dewi | peterrooney: actually dpkg-reconfigure defaults to priority low regardless of the system setting |
| 07:52.33 | jpinx-eeepc | anyone know offhand if tar will work on a dir which contains files named in non ASCII characters (Thai alphabet to be precise)? |
| 07:52.50 | peterrooney | Dewi: news to me. It's been set to high on every install i've done the past five years. |
| 07:53.35 | Dewi | peterrooney: I guess the reasoning is that if you're bothering to type a command you're more interested than when you do big automated batch jobs |
| 07:53.45 | Dewi | (it has -p to override tho) |
| 07:54.52 | sander^work | Why dosn't this fstab entry get mounted on bootup, only when I do mount -a?: 192.168.0.1:/var/source /var/dest nfs rw,noatime,wsize=8192,rsize=8192 0 3 .... |
| 07:54.57 | Dewi | jpinx-eeepc: I would have thought so |
| 07:55.34 | Dewi | jpinx-eeepc: most stuff in the unix world just treats chars as bytes and so you don't get a problem until you need to seek, sort, render, etc |
| 07:56.37 | nutron | hmm utmp... autolog ... lions and tigers and ... ignorance... oh my! Crap this thing has a terrible conf file. I have no clue how I'm supposed to match users via utmp, and here I am.. longing to save power and my sanity on 250 workstations... |
| 07:56.55 | sander^work | rpcbind: server 192.168.0.1 not responding, timed out |
| 07:56.58 | sander^work | in dmesg |
| 07:57.14 | jpinx-eeepc | Dewi: I am trying to help someone out who has a totally Thai windows vista install and ened to compress/tarball a huge document for emailing |
| 07:57.40 | Dewi | jpinx-eeepc: oh, windows is different, it depends on the tar implementation |
| 07:57.46 | Dewi | jpinx-eeepc: most ports have terrible unicode btw |
| 07:58.01 | Dewi | jpinx-eeepc: maybe suggest 7zip or something |
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| 07:58.21 | jpinx-eeepc | Dewi: tried 7zip - fail :( |
| 07:58.36 | jpinx-eeepc | tried winzip too - fail |
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| 07:59.05 | Dewi | jpinx-eeepc: heh. winrar? At least it's written by a russian |
| 07:59.18 | Dewi | so you'd hope it handles unicode :P |
| 07:59.32 | Dewi | (it's even available in thai) |
| 08:01.40 | jpinx-eeepc | Dewi: didn't try winrar -- thanks |
| 08:03.08 | Dewi | I'm sure 7zip will be great one day but I've noticed it misses a lot of edge cases like that :( |
| 08:03.21 | jpinx-eeepc | shame winzip isn't freee anymore |
| 08:04.03 | Dewi | jpinx-eeepc: it never was; just shareware used to be less obnoxious |
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| 08:14.13 | jpinx-eeepc | Dewi: I just copied the whole thai dir by usb stick and zipped it in debian - no sweat, but vista can't uncompress it - just crasshed :( |
| 08:14.34 | nutron | download infozip |
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| 08:21.48 | Dewi | jpinx-eeepc: your system has a unicode locale right? |
| 08:22.04 | wrksx | I've got this line in sources.list : deb ftp://........ lenny/volatile main contrib non-free which doesn't apear on another server. What is it ? |
| 08:22.15 | Dewi | (if it didn't, your system would probably have broken the filenames already) |
| 08:22.53 | Dewi | wrksx: volatile is a repo for things that change often, like virus patterns and timezone data |
| 08:24.12 | jpinx-eeepc | Dewi: all good for now thanks - winrar does it, but it's not share/freeware |
| 08:24.14 | wrksx | Dewi, think I should add it ? |
| 08:24.48 | Dewi | jpinx-eeepc: it is shareware in windows, and at least decompressible with debian (might need non-free tho) |
| 08:25.10 | jpinx-eeepc | wrksx: not sure if you shouldn't have the lenny and volatile lines separate (I have) |
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| 08:25.41 | Dewi | jpinx-eeepc: lenny/volatile means compiled for lenny |
| 08:26.01 | jpinx-eeepc | Dewi: it'll do for now thanks - I'll convert her to debian if it gets more com'licated ;) |
| 08:26.28 | Dewi | wrksx: my minimal lenny box has it too, so I guess the installer puts it there now |
| 08:26.58 | jpinx-eeepc | Dewi: OOooo - does that mean my line for "volatile" is grabbing things not in lenny? |
| 08:27.07 | wrksx | Dewi, ok I think I'll add it then =) thak you |
| 08:27.16 | Dewi | jpinx-eeepc: maybe if you just say 'volatile' it defaults to stable. I dunno :P |
| 08:27.31 | jpinx-eeepc | ;) |
| 08:27.37 | Dewi | jpinx-eeepc: could be one of those things you want to change before squeeze release day |
| 08:27.48 | jpinx-eeepc | leaves it alone - it ain't broke (yet) |
| 08:27.55 | Dewi | jpinx-eeepc: installers used to say 'stable' in the sources too, and people would get a big surprise on the next release day :) |
| 08:28.20 | Dewi | (I mean the main debian sources) |
| 08:28.23 | jpinx-eeepc | yea - I saw a few of those between etch and lenny - some sad bunnies in those days |
| 08:29.11 | Dewi | was etch->lenny the bad one? traditionally stable->stable was a piece of cake, but one time was pretty rocky |
| 08:29.54 | Dewi | but still, suddenly getting 1.5 years of updates in 1 day always was kind of at odds with the meaning of "stable" :) |
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| 08:29.56 | jpinx-eeepc | and now the lenny->squeeze is plagued by the udev issue |
| 08:30.19 | Dewi | jpinx-eeepc: I think it was udev the time I'm thinking of too? |
| 08:31.18 | jpinx-eeepc | Dewi: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze if you haven't seen the problem |
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| 08:34.19 | Dewi | jpinx-eeepc: nah, I've seen people hit it already in here. Remains to be seen if it can be made smoother for the release tho |
| 08:34.39 | Dewi | (I don't run testing anymore; I just backport myself if I need anything) |
| 08:36.07 | jpinx-eeepc | same here |
| 08:36.24 | jpinx-eeepc | I won't go to squeeze until it's released |
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| 08:42.43 | OpenTokix | jpinx-eeepc: im running it on my two workstations now, works nicely |
| 08:43.18 | tp43_ | Hi, what are some good arcade games available in debian. I found torcs, but I was wondering if anyone knew of any others, especially one like streetfighter, mortal combat and tekken |
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| 08:50.04 | Number5 | hello guys, a tiny network question: I request the page www.google.com, the first thing what happens is to get the ip address from the DNS server right? But after getting the ip address, I need to get the destination MAC address too, right? How does my machine get the www.google.com's MAC address so it can be filled in the tcp/ip frame? |
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| 08:50.38 | Number5 | ARP works only on the local (private) network as far as I understand. |
| 08:50.43 | Parsifal | Number5: A MAC address is a local network address, it makes no sense to apply it to TCP/IP. |
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| 08:51.02 | Number5 | Parsifal: aaah yes, that's true.... |
| 08:51.12 | eggy_ | Hello, how can I change where apt-get stores the packages it downloads? |
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| 08:52.51 | Number5 | Parsifal: this has only to do with local network identification. If an ip is not on the same local network, it just sends it to the gateway, with the dest. MAC address for the gateway, am I thinking in the right direction? |
| 08:53.33 | Parsifal | Number5: Yes, it would need to know the MAC address of your gateway, assuming you're on an ethernet network. |
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| 08:53.53 | Parsifal | However, I only know the theory of TCP/IP, I have no practical experience with it, so I can't really help troubleshoot any practical problems. :) |
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| 08:58.25 | yesi | hi |
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| 09:00.08 | Number5 | Parsifal: yest that's is what I think how it works. If it's on the same network and the MAC is unknown, it sends ARP packets to get the MAC address so it can send to the other machine. But if the ip is not on the same network (by masqurading 255.255.255.0 for example) it should be routed to the (standard) gateway (that's why we have to fill in the gateway's ip too, or it is automatically retrieved by the DHCP server). The gateway than will p |
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| 09:04.08 | yesi | Could someone advise me with UEFI, GPT and Debian and Grub2, please ? I did parted my disk (4TB) to GPT. I've have 4 partitions : 50MB of FAT32, 200MB for /boot (ext2), and 3rd for / and 4th for /data. The first one partition of FAT32, i put a flag "bios_grub". The installation is finished but i seem that i can not boot from my Debian Squeeze... |
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| 09:11.29 | superlinux | hi all. what would set the default file creation permissions for a directory? |
| 09:12.15 | superlinux | I want every file that's newly made be editable by the development group |
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| 09:14.24 | flaarg | its set by who makes the file, have whoever makes the files be part of the development group. At least this is my knowledge, I could be wrong |
| 09:14.53 | flaarg | nvm what I said |
| 09:14.55 | flaarg | im sleepy |
| 09:15.09 | flaarg | I think its wrong |
| 09:15.31 | thenthenio | Hello, friday 17 disaster :-((( |
| 09:16.10 | thenthenio | Kernel panic: No init found. Try passing init=option to kernel. |
| 09:16.49 | thenthenio | Kernel ia an old 2.4.27 |
| 09:17.17 | superlinux | does the init file still exist? |
| 09:18.14 | thenthenio | Have to check, where is it usually? |
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| 09:18.22 | Dewi | superlinux: you can cause groups to inherit by setting g+s |
| 09:18.34 | Dewi | superlinux: on every directory |
| 09:18.39 | superlinux | Dewi, ok |
| 09:18.56 | Dewi | superlinux: oh and the users need umask of 2 |
| 09:19.02 | Dewi | superlinux: instead of the default, 22 |
| 09:19.22 | superlinux | I did that by googling, and thanks for the reassurance |
| 09:19.40 | superlinux | so it'll be 002? |
| 09:19.51 | superlinux | instead of 022? |
| 09:19.51 | Zharf | how do I disable pc speaker beep in console again.. |
| 09:20.07 | Dewi | superlinux: yeah, I really should put zeroes in front of those since they are octal. on my system it's 0002 |
| 09:20.20 | superlinux | ok |
| 09:20.29 | superlinux | thanks |
| 09:20.37 | Dewi | (dunno why some systems have 3 digits, some have 4) |
| 09:20.44 | thenthenio | superlinux: where should be init file? |
| 09:21.29 | superlinux | i think must be under /etc |
| 09:21.39 | thenthenio | k |
| 09:21.44 | superlinux | unless they are ... |
| 09:21.51 | Dewi | thenthenio: root= refers to a filesystem |
| 09:21.57 | superlinux | talking about the the initrd |
| 09:22.00 | Dewi | thenthenio: oops, you're talking about init. sorry |
| 09:22.13 | Dewi | thenthenio: mine is at /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-686 |
| 09:22.18 | thenthenio | -) |
| 09:22.31 | superlinux | so try either |
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| 09:22.45 | Dewi | thenthenio: obviously your specific kernel version might differ |
| 09:22.54 | Dewi | (and arch, this is an old i686) |
| 09:23.01 | thenthenio | Yep! |
| 09:23.28 | superlinux | thenthenio, it's NOT initrd |
| 09:23.38 | superlinux | it's "init" |
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| 09:23.59 | superlinux | the init should be : init=/etc/init |
| 09:24.24 | thenthenio | ah.....!!! |
| 09:24.53 | superlinux | thenthenio, try first a fsck...maybe you had a sudden power down |
| 09:25.11 | superlinux | scan disks for errors |
| 09:25.41 | thenthenio | superlinux: in /etc I have inittab and init.d (directory) |
| 09:25.54 | thenthenio | NO init |
| 09:25.56 | superlinux | bit no init? |
| 09:25.59 | superlinux | ok |
| 09:26.03 | superlinux | then it was lost |
| 09:26.16 | drade | lol |
| 09:26.34 | superlinux | sorry! |
| 09:26.41 | superlinux | it's not there already |
| 09:27.03 | simonrvn | init is in /sbin ... |
| 09:27.10 | superlinux | simonrvn, true! |
| 09:27.12 | thenthenio | superlinux: do you have /etc/init file? |
| 09:27.23 | superlinux | no! sorry I made a mistake |
| 09:27.42 | superlinux | but yes! as simonrvn said, should be in /sbin |
| 09:28.24 | superlinux | I think fasting is having an effect on me |
| 09:29.07 | thenthenio | I have /sbin/init it is a scrip whch just runs update-modules... |
| 09:32.30 | simonrvn | er? did you unpack your initrd into / or something? |
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| 09:33.55 | thenthenio | simonrvn: no yesterday the system was ok and I did nothing... |
| 09:34.10 | Zharf | how do I disable framebuffer in console, fully, without even a trace of it |
| 09:34.24 | drade | That does not compute, try passing init=/bin/sh to your grub. |
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| 09:35.21 | thenthenio | drade: what this would cause? |
| 09:35.25 | drade | Or you must be using lilo, since the 2.4.x kernel. |
| 09:35.33 | thenthenio | Yes lilo |
| 09:35.44 | drade | That would execute shell instead of init. |
| 09:36.47 | thenthenio | k, but /sbin/init is there and does nothing... |
| 09:37.09 | drade | Forget init for now, can you execute above mentioned argument ? |
| 09:38.05 | thenthenio | At the boot prompt write linux init=/bin/sh ? |
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| 09:39.23 | bjoernb | hi |
| 09:39.24 | drade | Yes, that should get you to a limited shell. |
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| 09:40.11 | thenthenio | No does not work, same result |
| 09:40.36 | drade | something like LILO: Linux init=/bin/sh rw, remount your root dir, chroot and check your lilo.conf file. |
| 09:40.52 | tholl583xx | i would like to add this repo to my sources.list.d, but i can't work out what the deb syntax should be; |
| 09:40.55 | tholl583xx | http://downloads.linux.hp.com/SDR/psp/dists/stable/current/non-free/binary-amd64/ |
| 09:41.06 | drade | non-free |
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| 09:41.22 | bjoernb | i have ssl on an apache2-server with passphrase for the key running. when i reboot it asks for the key. that is okay. i am ok with a not running apache when i am not there to type in the key, but the start process of the server stops and waits for the passphrase so sshd and imap and other services will not start until i provide the passphrase. |
| 09:41.24 | tholl583xx | how do i specify that in sources.list.d? |
| 09:41.47 | drade | something like deb http://debian.inode.at/debian/ lenny main non-free |
| 09:42.17 | tholl583xx | where does the "main" come from? |
| 09:43.37 | bjoernb | tholl583xx: it is the pool like in http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/pool/ |
| 09:43.55 | bjoernb | main contrib non-free are pools you can choose to install packages from |
| 09:44.18 | halflife08 | bjoernb: if i understand you correctly you are saying apache is blocking other processes from starting since you have enter the passphrase for apache ? |
| 09:44.30 | bjoernb | halflife08: yes. |
| 09:44.53 | drade | bjoernb, you can remove the passphrase thing. |
| 09:44.54 | simonrvn | /pool/main/ /pool/contrib/ /pool/non-free/ |
| 09:45.09 | halflife08 | bjoernb: so why not change the order in which it starts, make it start after all other services you need are up |
| 09:45.10 | thenthenio | drade: no shell, still kernel panic |
| 09:45.11 | bjoernb | drade: i do not want to remove it. |
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| 09:45.25 | thenthenio | drade: were sould be lilo.conf? |
| 09:45.33 | bjoernb | halflife08: how to change the order? where is documentation for that? |
| 09:46.38 | halflife08 | bjoernb: http://www.debian-administration.org/article/212/An_introduction_to_run-levels is a goot start on how to change it. |
| 09:46.45 | bjoernb | halflife08: thanks |
| 09:47.25 | drade | It will prompt for passphrase, regardless of what order you put it in. |
| 09:47.46 | drade | thenthenio> /etc/lilo.conf |
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| 09:47.56 | halflife08 | bjoernb: bjoernb you can look rc.local as well |
| 09:48.10 | halflife08 | drade: he wants to be prompted for a password |
| 09:48.29 | drade | And know that if you change anything in lilo, you have to write the changes by executing /sbin/lilo |
| 09:48.50 | drade | halflife reread his predicament again. |
| 09:50.54 | thenthenio | drade: yes, but now i'm booting from CD and the root is under /mnt ... |
| 09:51.00 | bjoernb | halflife08: how do i see in which runlevel i am? |
| 09:52.05 | drade | bjoernb, you have to execute something like this to remove the passphrase prompt: openssl rsa -in mycert.key -out mycertkey.key.nopass && cp mycert.key mycert.key.ORIG && mv mycertkey.key.nopass mycert.key, now restart your apache and enjoy. |
| 09:52.20 | drade | It should not ask you for passphrase again. |
| 09:52.35 | drade | Of course change the appropriate values. |
| 09:52.40 | bjoernb | drade: i want to be asked for a passphrase |
| 09:52.48 | drade | Easy, ill give you the command |
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| 09:53.25 | drade | openssl rsa -des3 -in server.key -out server.key.new && mv server.key.new server.key |
| 09:53.46 | bjoernb | drade: i have a working apache. |
| 09:54.26 | halflife08 | bjoernb: you are better off reading the section 'That's great, but how do I change run levels?' in http://www.debian-administration.org/article/212/An_introduction_to_run-levels |
| 09:54.49 | halflife08 | bjoernb: that should explain how to find out what run level you are at |
| 09:55.05 | thenthenio | drade: what to do in lilo.conf? |
| 09:55.32 | drade | check for inconsitencies, what does it contain or not contain ? |
| 09:55.34 | bjoernb | halflife08: in /etc/inittab is stated that runlevel 2 is the default. which sounds ok for me since it is multiuser without X |
| 09:56.04 | thenthenio | drade: yes, but now i'm booting from CD and the root is under /mnt ... |
| 09:56.25 | drade | thenthenio, chroot, then try. |
| 09:57.20 | thenthenio | k |
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| 09:58.13 | bjoernb | halflife08: if i read correctly all i have to do is to change the integer in /etc/rc2.d/ to be greater than 19? |
| 09:58.16 | bjoernb | README S14portmap S15nfs-common S17rsyslog S18apache2 S19acpid S19atd S19cron S19ddclient S19dovecot S19nagios3 S19rsync S19spamassassin S19ssh S20postfix S21bootlogs S22rc.local S22rmnologin S22stop-bootlogd |
| 09:58.30 | bjoernb | right? |
| 09:59.52 | halflife08 | bjoernb: probably > 22 |
| 10:00.13 | thenthenio | drade: chroot /mnt fails: does not find /bin/bash, but /mnt/bin/bash is there!!! |
| 10:00.16 | bjoernb | halflife08: so it is just renaming the file? |
| 10:00.39 | drade | Bjoernb, you can pass KK or SS number to update-rc.d script. |
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| 10:01.17 | jelly-home | thenthenio: are you trying to chroot into a 64bit installation using a booted 32bit system? |
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| 10:01.39 | bjoernb | drade: like update-rc.d foobar start 20 2 3 4 5 . stop 20 0 1 6 . |
| 10:01.57 | bjoernb | /foobar/apache2/ /20/22/ |
| 10:01.59 | drade | Looks ok. |
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| 10:02.43 | jelly-home | thenthenio: (because that doesn't work) |
| 10:02.49 | thenthenio | drade: No 32 and 32 /mnt/bin/bash runs but outputs fuser help usage!!! |
| 10:03.49 | thenthenio | It's like mv bash fuser!!! |
| 10:04.16 | bjoernb | drade: i get the message update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing. and nothing changed |
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| 10:05.02 | liran | is there another app like nmap for port scanning ? |
| 10:05.09 | drade | Bjoernb, try something like this: update-rc.d bla start 45 S . start 31 0 2 6 . |
| 10:05.37 | bjoernb | i did update-rc.d apache2 start 22 2 3 4 5 . stop 22 0 1 6 |
| 10:06.03 | bjoernb | . |
| 10:06.35 | thenthenio | drade: It's incredible /mnt/bin/bash outputs fuser help; /mnt/bin/fuser outputs lsmod modules listing!!! |
| 10:06.58 | thenthenio | Can't understand what's going on :-(( |
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| 10:07.10 | Laugarhraun | Hi! |
| 10:07.15 | drade | Thenthenio, seems as like someone above suggested, your filessytem might be corrupt. |
| 10:07.27 | Laugarhraun | I recently installed mt-daapd to share some music across the network |
| 10:07.29 | drade | Umount the filesystems and run fsck. |
| 10:07.32 | Laugarhraun | but it does not seem to work |
| 10:07.38 | Laugarhraun | so I checked: |
| 10:07.46 | drade | bjoern, i just ran it on my system, works fine. Let me retest. |
| 10:07.50 | Laugarhraun | ps -ef|grep daap |
| 10:07.58 | thenthenio | I'll run fsck |
| 10:08.05 | Laugarhraun | The only line I get is the on about the grep... |
| 10:08.25 | Laugarhraun | I tried "/etc/init.d/mt-daapd start" |
| 10:08.29 | Laugarhraun | no error message |
| 10:08.42 | drade | Bjoern you are missing a dot |
| 10:08.44 | Laugarhraun | but there's nothing returned when I enter "/etc/init.d/mt-daapd status" either |
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| 10:09.01 | bjoernb | drade: i did type the second dot at the end |
| 10:09.11 | Laugarhraun | and I cannot connnect to the machine on port 3689, which should be on for the admin interface |
| 10:09.12 | drade | update-rc.d bla start 20 2 3 4 5 . stop 20 0 1 6 . << this works on lenny stable. |
| 10:09.17 | Laugarhraun | do you know what I should check? |
| 10:09.27 | bjoernb | drade: i am using squeeze |
| 10:10.07 | Laugarhraun | mt-daapd is really not running and I cannot manage to turn it on |
| 10:10.21 | Laugarhraun | where do I have to look? |
| 10:10.30 | drade | Laugh, log files ? |
| 10:10.39 | drade | Laug* |
| 10:10.42 | drade | Bjoern, checking. |
| 10:10.57 | Laugarhraun | drade: er... which one? |
| 10:11.18 | Laugarhraun | there's no /var/log/mt-dappd |
| 10:11.59 | Laugarhraun | OH wait |
| 10:12.02 | Laugarhraun | there's one |
| 10:12.48 | Laugarhraun | drade: the log stops at the 15th of September |
| 10:12.51 | Laugarhraun | nothing since then |
| 10:12.59 | Laugarhraun | although I try to launch it |
| 10:13.22 | Laugarhraun | is there a better solution that installing/uninstalling it? |
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| 10:14.42 | bjoernb | halflife08: thanks so far for your help |
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| 10:16.39 | Laugarhraun | how can you check what's wrong when a daemon does not want to start [and nothing in its logs] |
| 10:19.10 | drade | You can use strace command Laugarhraun. |
| 10:19.16 | halflife08 | Laugarhraun: check the man page to see if you can increase the log levels, if there is none, launch the daemon from command line and see if that shows anything, if that failes try strace |
| 10:19.41 | Laugarhraun | halflife08: _nothing_ displayed |
| 10:19.57 | Laugarhraun | not a single line when i do "/etc/init.d/mt-daapd start" |
| 10:20.14 | halflife08 | Laugarhraun: re-read what i have said |
| 10:20.34 | bjoernb | drade: thanks so far for your help. |
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| 10:20.35 | Laugarhraun | [how do you find the man of a daemon...?] |
| 10:20.42 | Laugarhraun | since there's no command |
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| 10:20.55 | stew | Laugarhraun: try "bash -x /etc/init.d/mt-daapd start" to see if the init script fails befor trying to start the daemon. See if the daemon has a 'debug' or 'verbose' switch and try running it by hand |
| 10:21.03 | Spaceghost | hello folks |
| 10:21.12 | petemc | Laugarhraun: man -k |
| 10:21.14 | Spaceghost | how much of RAM can I use with a 32 bit version of Debian? |
| 10:21.47 | stew | Spaceghost: 4 gigs with a normal kernel or 64 gigs with a bigmem kernel |
| 10:22.06 | drade | Bjoernb, was reading sorry. It seems that squeeze changed from sysv init to dep based boot. You can change that to respect the "old" sysv style by using: aptitude install insserv && dpkg-reconfigure insserv sysv-rc. I do not have a running squeeze box anywhere to test it out. |
| 10:22.28 | Laugarhraun | stew: here is what I get: http://pastebin.com/z1rbhH99 |
| 10:22.34 | Laugarhraun | = nothing from the daemon |
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| 10:22.56 | stew | Laugarhraun: it looks like its quitting because its not finidng an executable file in /usr/sbin/mt-daapd |
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| 10:23.13 | stew | Laugarhraun: what does "ls -l /usr/sbin/mt-daapd" return? |
| 10:24.04 | Laugarhraun | stew: it does not exist! |
| 10:24.18 | stew | Laugarhraun: what does "apt-cache policy mt-daapd" say for Installed: and Candidate: |
| 10:25.27 | bjoernb | drade: yeah i read the release of dep-boot on the mailinglist. i have to read how to configure it to my needs. |
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| 10:25.30 | bjoernb | bye |
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| 10:25.32 | Laugarhraun | stew: Installed: (none) |
| 10:25.41 | Laugarhraun | Candidate: 0.9~r1696.dfsg-6lenny2 |
| 10:25.46 | Laugarhraun | (I installed it with aptitude) |
| 10:26.24 | Laugarhraun | well, when I run "aptitude install mt-daapd", he wants to install it |
| 10:26.31 | stew | Laugarhraun: it got uninstalle since you installed it then |
| 10:26.46 | Laugarhraun | yep... |
| 10:27.03 | Laugarhraun | but /etc/init.d/mt-daapd was still here, isn't it strange? |
| 10:27.53 | stew | Laugarhraun: no, becuase its removed and not purged, so the conffiles remain |
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| 10:28.18 | Laugarhraun | well, thank you |
| 10:28.28 | Laugarhraun | oh! |
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| 10:30.48 | liran | is there another app like nmap for port scanning ? |
| 10:30.52 | liran | j #centos |
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| 10:48.08 | rvsjoen | what's wrong with nmap |
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| 10:55.30 | nsadmin | something's wrong with nmap?! omG!! |
| 10:55.33 | jelly-home | !qotd0 |
| 10:55.42 | rvsjoen | hehe |
| 10:55.42 | jelly-home | dpkg, come back! |
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| 10:56.09 | nsadmin | that was qotd-0 |
| 10:56.20 | rethus | have debian lenny: useradd markus |
| 10:56.31 | rethus | this create the user, but no /home/markus is aviable |
| 10:56.36 | rethus | why? |
| 10:56.47 | petern_ | you didn't use -m |
| 10:56.49 | nsadmin | because you don't understand useradd completely |
| 10:56.59 | jelly-home | rethus: use adduser instead, it's more friendly |
| 10:57.16 | nsadmin | useradd is probably better in a script |
| 10:57.32 | jelly-home | useradd is probably better if one RTFMs |
| 10:58.00 | nsadmin | wow!! we won't have Guest22288 to kick around anymore! |
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| 10:58.04 | rethus | thanks |
| 10:58.06 | rethus | that works |
| 10:58.50 | jelly-home | is transplanting binaries from his i386 squeeze to his RHEL5 x86_64 |
| 10:58.53 | nsadmin | now, run useradd with no parameters, it should give you a usage msg |
| 10:59.08 | nsadmin | then man useradd to see what it can do |
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| 11:06.36 | TomyLobo | i need dpkg's wisdom, specifically how to upgrade from lenny to squeeze. is that factoid available somoewhere? |
| 11:07.08 | nsadmin | if you don't do that now while this is fresh in your mind, you're going to be back with more questions... at which point some of us will point, laugh, stare, and finally really laugh... |
| 11:08.08 | themill | TomyLobo: http://ircbots.debian.net/search.php?q=lenny->squeeze |
| 11:09.13 | TomyLobo | found that already, but thanks :) |
| 11:14.04 | TomyLobo | hmm information about kernel upgrade seems missing. or at least i can't find it |
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| 11:14.49 | TomyLobo | it says i have to do it before messing with my sources.list. does that mean getting the package from debian.org manually and installing it with dpkg? |
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| 11:16.03 | superlinux | hi. how can I make umask work recursively ? |
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| 11:22.08 | eggy_ | Hello, I have a bit of a problem with dist-upgrade: http://bpaste.net/show/9604/ |
| 11:22.15 | eggy_ | How can I resolve this issue? |
| 11:23.16 | abrotman | try using aptitude |
| 11:23.24 | eggy_ | abrotman: ok |
| 11:23.27 | abrotman | eggy_: please go ask #ubuntu, this channel is not for Ubuntu support |
| 11:23.51 | themill | TomyLobo: that's a factoid that has been rewritten one to many times to make sense any more. You need to s/lenny/squeeze/; install the new kernel; reboot; dist-upgrade |
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| 11:24.25 | TomyLobo | themill thanks |
| 11:25.18 | eggy_ | abrotman: oh right, apologies, yes. I automatically came here for support :) |
| 11:25.24 | abrotman | i bet |
| 11:25.27 | eggy_ | Your suggestion seems to work though |
| 11:25.39 | eggy_ | is not too partial to #ubuntu in any case |
| 11:25.40 | abrotman | too bad it's ubuntu and it may have messed up your system .. have a nice day |
| 11:25.49 | jelly-home | themill: dpkg db needs change management! |
| 11:27.04 | themill | jelly-home: indeed... |
| 11:28.19 | sabgenton | how do you view the package list downloaded by apt-get update |
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| 11:31.23 | themill | sabgenton: "apt-cache pkgnames" but I don't think that's what you meant. What are you really looking for? |
| 11:31.27 | Aprogas | What is the graceful way to prevent a daemon from starting, other than removing the init.d script? Specifically clamsmtp package installs clamd, but I want to use a remote clamd and not run one locally. I don't mind it being on the disk, but it shouldn't be in memory. |
| 11:31.44 | abrotman | Aprogas: update-rc.d |
| 11:32.07 | themill | sabgenton: please also decide if you're using debian or ubuntu and only ask in the appropriate channel. |
| 11:32.41 | Aprogas | abrotman: Will even a system upgrade still leave clamd in the disabled state? |
| 11:32.46 | sander^work | Anyone know what _netdev in fstab means? |
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| 11:33.11 | abrotman | Aprogas: it would depend on the scripts for the package, but i think it normally restores them |
| 11:33.17 | abrotman | can't recall |
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| 11:35.26 | jelly-home | Aprogas: if you leave at least one /etc/rc?.d/???clamav-daemon symlink alive, package upgrades won't recreate the others |
| 11:35.40 | TomyLobo | themill the upgrading the kernel pulls in many other upgrades |
| 11:35.59 | jelly-home | Aprogas: so, the simplest answer isn't really update-rc.d but something like rm /etc/rc2.d/S??initscriptname |
| 11:36.12 | themill | TomyLobo: it should pull in a couple of things like linux-base and libuuid0, yes. |
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| 11:36.31 | Kasreyn | i have this in /etc/udev/rules.d/80-myrule.rules: ENV{ID_VENDOR_ID}=="073d" ENV{ID_MODEL_ID}=="0025", RUN="/usr/bin/SQLdaemon-DBus-client", MODE="666" , still can't read the device from user but is readable by root, what can i do ? |
| 11:37.50 | jelly-home | Aprogas: personally I like mv /etc/rc2.d/S20clamav-daemon /etc/rc2.d/s20clamav-daemon, that way a ls /etc/rc?.d/s* finds all the disabled ones and I still know the original order should I want to reenable |
| 11:38.29 | sander^work | at my pysical server I only spesify nfs option in fstab to mount it at bootup.. but at one virtual server.. It dosnt mount at bootup even with _netdev.. Anyone kow why? |
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| 11:39.18 | Kasreyn | aha, works if i chown /dev/bus |
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| 11:42.14 | runemaste | G'day, ive been setting up an ISPControl server and im confused by the application "amavis" - i dont think this is an ISPControl type question but correct me if i'm wrong |
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| 11:42.29 | runemaste | is tis normal? |
| 11:42.45 | runemaste | */var/lib/amavis/tmp is taking up 6.2 gb |
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| 11:44.59 | Aprogas | jelly-home: From the man-page, I think I should put them all at K instead of S, using update-rc.d |
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| 11:45.55 | jelly-home | Aprogas: no, K will explicitely try to run the script with a "stop" argument. You merely need _not to run it_ with "start". |
| 11:45.59 | abrotman | runemaste: what's in it? |
| 11:46.41 | Aprogas | jelly-home: Is either method more safe against upgrade? I don't really mind it throwing an error during startup. |
| 11:47.43 | pif | hi, where can I find good docs to setup an encrypted home with encfs? |
| 11:47.53 | jelly-home | Aprogas: they're equally safe. You just need to keep at least one S or K symlink. |
| 11:47.56 | pif | and have gdm/xdm autmount my home |
| 11:48.40 | stew | Aprogas: yes, don't just remove the links, change S to K |
| 11:48.45 | stew | Aprogas: as the manpage says |
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| 11:54.36 | runemaste | abrotman: heaps of folders with timestamps |
| 11:54.48 | runemaste | it looks like its being caused by an outdated version of clamav |
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| 11:54.58 | runemaste | would this cause it or do i need to keep looking? |
| 11:56.05 | runemaste | that freaked the crap out of me - i didnt realise until i tried to check why logcheck wasnt working |
| 11:56.16 | runemaste | then i df -h'd and nearly had a heart attack |
| 11:56.24 | runemaste | ive only got a 10gb VPS! |
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| 12:07.41 | Aprogas | Maybe it isn't possible to use clamsmtp with a remote clamd; it would explain why the package depends rather than recommends clamav-daemon. |
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| 12:09.05 | Armageddon | I've been having this problem for sometime now, whenever I try to access my webcam from any applcation, my wireless crashes and it doesn't work until I restart. anyone has any idea ? |
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| 12:09.45 | runemaste | wow |
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| 12:09.59 | runemaste | no wonder i had so many backed up emails in amavis/tmp |
| 12:10.08 | runemaste | when it errored out it wrote to the log |
| 12:10.32 | runemaste | when logcheck ran it sent an email saying there was an error, then it errored out while scanning the outgoing email, logged it, which made logcheck email, etc. |
| 12:11.06 | runemaste | now i just needa figure out how to fix it |
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| 12:26.23 | niklaswe | can i with apt-get set so i can use apt-get -t unstable instll packages but when use apt-get install packages it should use stable. |
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| 12:28.16 | themill | niklaswe: in principle you can do this, but mixing stable and unstable is really not the sort of thing you should be doing. Use backports instead. |
| 12:28.45 | themill | niklaswe: http://ircbots.debian.net/factoid.php?key=backport |
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| 12:39.08 | jamesstanley | If I have net.ipv4.conf.{all,default}.forwarding set to 1 in sysctl, is that a potential security flaw? For example, can other machines forward packets through my server? |
| 12:40.40 | pif | what package installs /etc/pam.d/common-session ? |
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| 12:41.10 | sedulous | pif: dpkg -S /etc/pam.d/common-session |
| 12:41.29 | pif | dpkg: /etc/pam.d/common-session not found |
| 12:42.42 | sedulous | hmm, maybe libpam-runtime |
| 12:43.04 | sedulous | its /usr/â¦/common_session is almost identical to that file |
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| 12:44.26 | themill | yes, check /var/lib/dpkg/info/libpam-runtime.postinst |
| 12:46.19 | MafProd | :utf8 |
| 12:46.21 | pif | oki |
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| 12:48.45 | TomyLobo | what was the new kde package's name again? |
| 12:50.20 | themill | http://ircbots.debian.net/factoid.php?key=install+kde4 â From squeeze onwards, "kde-standard" gets you the common set up, "kde-plasma-desktop" and "kde-plasma-netbook" provide minimal kde4 setups with respective flavouring, and "kde-full" installs everything kde4. For more details on metapackages, see http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html . Also read the topic in #debian-kde on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net). |
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| 13:00.19 | abrotman | themill: btw, the -> doesn't seem to register well |
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| 13:02.04 | TomyLobo | it did here :) |
| 13:02.25 | abrotman | no, not what i was talking about |
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| 13:03.57 | eviltoaster | What does this mean, "(notify-send:13766): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed" |
| 13:04.08 | eviltoaster | i did a new user and tried to run notify-send from it :S |
| 13:04.39 | Number5 | hello administrators, which one do you use: ip route add ..., or: route add ...? Which one is better, outdated...? |
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| 13:05.20 | stew | Number5: ip route add is the newer way, for most tasks, they both work fine. ip can do somethings with routes that route cannot |
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| 13:07.18 | Number5 | stew: thnx, can do something important? |
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| 13:08.08 | stew | Number5: not for basic tasks. ip route can do things like say "when using this route, use this src address instead of the default" |
| 13:10.43 | Number5 | stew: hmmm, don't see what's so special about it, but I might not know enough about it to understand the difference. Anyway thnx for your valuable answers. |
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| 13:14.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess it can't put different processes on different routes, though, can it? |
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| 13:14.27 | qq- | running a 'heavy' build (building an OS) in gnome-terminal , reducing terminal window get errors and brake compilation , that's on squeeze |
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| 13:15.48 | Number5 | qq-: can you see something about cpu usage? |
| 13:16.12 | qq- | 60-100 % |
| 13:16.38 | Number5 | hmmm, still doesn't make sense... |
| 13:17.12 | qq- | Number5, but all it's ok using all screen window terminal |
| 13:17.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | "reducing"? minimiing? |
| 13:17.30 | Number5 | what if you nice more the process |
| 13:17.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | z... minimizing |
| 13:18.19 | qq- | no , doing it be say 25-30 % from screen surface |
| 13:18.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't understand that |
| 13:19.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean the window is small? |
| 13:19.52 | qq- | no it's 14' laptop |
| 13:20.25 | Number5 | qq-: anyway if it's fixed, than it's ok. But still a strange behaviour. |
| 13:20.33 | qq- | Number5, never used nice |
| 13:24.32 | Number5 | Me too :) |
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| 13:25.36 | qq- | get error as: " 'md5s' file not fount" on reduced terminal ... |
| 13:26.16 | qq- | s/fount /found |
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| 13:26.50 | Number5 | is that an output of the build program or the terminal? |
| 13:27.08 | qq- | from build program |
| 13:27.29 | xxtjaxx | md5sum not md5s |
| 13:27.51 | romel | hi guys. is the any way to entirely uninstall a package which was installed from source code using `make`? |
| 13:28.16 | tomodachi | romel: if it was installed from source using make , it was never a package |
| 13:28.25 | tomodachi | make uninstall could hopefully uninstall it for you.. |
| 13:28.30 | jordanm | romel: sometimes there is an "uninstall" target. eg. make uninstall |
| 13:28.35 | qq- | xxtjaxx, sure , but reduced terminal seems to cut the name to 'md5s' |
| 13:28.41 | romel | tomodachi: yeah, sure |
| 13:28.51 | Number5 | well, how am I suppose to know what kind of error that is. md5sum has something to do with integrity of a file |
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| 13:29.32 | Number5 | make clean and than make |
| 13:29.52 | Number5 | or make distclean and than ./configure and than make and than make install |
| 13:30.17 | Number5 | but that has nothing to do with the terminal :) |
| 13:30.19 | jordanm | Number5: I believe he wanted to remove, not reinstall |
| 13:30.53 | romel | jordanm: "No rule to make target `deinstall'." so that's not an option :( |
| 13:30.57 | Number5 | jordanm: I understood he was building an OS...? |
| 13:31.04 | jordanm | romel: uninstall, not deinstall |
| 13:31.19 | romel | lol |
| 13:31.19 | Number5 | jordanm: #make distclean |
| 13:31.27 | Number5 | and reinstall again. |
| 13:31.30 | romel | thank you guys |
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| 13:41.12 | oracle | hiehihi |
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| 13:41.36 | oracle | i need a package downloaded; just the .deb file, no install. how is this accomplished? |
| 13:44.10 | tomodachi | oracle: man apt-get install |
| 13:44.13 | tomodachi | man apt-get |
| 13:44.13 | tomodachi | i mean |
| 13:44.51 | oracle | already there |
| 13:45.10 | Number5 | there is a way to download apt package but without installing |
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| 13:45.28 | Number5 | man apt |
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| 13:45.41 | hemanth | how do i check if the user has sudo privilege ? grep for admin group ? |
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| 13:46.09 | petemc | hemanth: look in /etc/sudoers |
| 13:46.20 | oracle | eat me Number5 ;) |
| 13:46.38 | hemanth | pengwen, Permission denies if the user is not sudo right? |
| 13:47.03 | hemanth | pengwen, a grep on /etc/sudoers can be done with sudo only |
| 13:47.22 | Number5 | oracle: did you find it yet? |
| 13:47.36 | petemc | hemanth: if you're not root you cant check, other than trying to use it as the user |
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| 13:47.50 | hemanth | petemc, sudo -l ? |
| 13:48.06 | petemc | sure.. |
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| 13:49.49 | Number5 | Found the solution: apt-get -d install, but oracle has gone :( |
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| 13:50.44 | hemanth | petemc, sudo -v ; [[ $? ]] && echo "No privilege" ? |
| 13:50.55 | greycat | hemanth: [[ $? ]] does not do what you think it does |
| 13:51.03 | greycat | it will ALWAYS return true. always. |
| 13:51.22 | hemanth | greycat, normal if then? |
| 13:51.32 | greycat | you possibly wanted (( $? )) |
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| 13:51.49 | qq- | Number5, he taked the man with |
| 13:51.52 | greycat | an easier way would be sudo -v || echo "No privilege" |
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| 13:52.24 | hemanth | sudo -v > /dev/null || echo "No privilege" && exit 1 ? |
| 13:52.38 | greycat | sudo -v >/dev/null 2>&1 || { echo ...; exit 1; } |
| 13:52.47 | greycat | or switch to if/then/fi |
| 13:53.15 | hemanth | thnx, shorthand is better :) |
| 13:53.15 | Number5 | you mean man, like manual, :) |
| 13:53.33 | qq- | yes :) |
| 13:53.41 | Number5 | aaah ok :) |
| 13:54.10 | greycat | if you have a lot of { echo...; exit 1; } blocks you can make a die() function |
| 13:54.51 | hemanth | greycat, if i say exit 1 the terminal dies, even before the suer can read the message :( |
| 13:54.59 | greycat | Then don't say that. |
| 13:55.32 | hemanth | exit 1 will terminate the current session right? |
| 13:55.34 | pif | anyone successfully using libpam-encfs to mount /home/user at login? |
| 13:55.42 | greycat | It terminates the shell. Whatever shell that is. |
| 13:56.14 | hemanth | greycat, if in a script then there is no issue then :) |
| 13:58.16 | tarzeau | greycat! |
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| 14:07.57 | hemanth | greycat, $EUID wont help here right? |
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| 14:11.05 | hemanth | if a user passes on sudo -v, does it mean that the user can sudo su, or even sudo apt-get, they might for instance only have access to /usr/sbin/apache2ctl ? |
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| 14:15.57 | sedulous | GNU Screen vs. tmux! Fight! |
| 14:16.39 | tuv | sedulous: where?! |
| 14:16.50 | sedulous | tuv: here! |
| 14:16.51 | tuv | is interested |
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| 14:17.05 | tuv | in watching ;) |
| 14:17.09 | sedulous | no seriously, I'm considering to try tmux and wonder about any downsides compared to screen, that I should know about |
| 14:17.21 | tuv | me too |
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| 14:17.47 | tuv | 1st down side: learning a new tool |
| 14:17.58 | sedulous | yes |
| 14:18.05 | sedulous | time that could be spent otherwise |
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| 14:18.51 | alcy | any reason why telnet'ing into host foo from an external host works while from foo itself, it times out ? |
| 14:19.13 | metaphys | saddsa |
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| 14:19.53 | smerz | hello. Do we have any word on when we can expect new kernel packages for security? |
| 14:19.55 | greycat | alcy: sounds like a firewall |
| 14:20.10 | greycat | or it could be broken hostname resolution |
| 14:20.33 | tuv | alcy: wrong static name resolution (/etc/hosts) |
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| 14:21.05 | Winkie | are all etch mirrors now dead or something? |
| 14:21.09 | Winkie | i have an old etch machine that i can't do crap on |
| 14:21.11 | Winkie | :/ |
| 14:21.16 | yeled | how can i find a list of preseed d-i variables? im clearly not guessing the correct strings |
| 14:21.26 | tuv | Winkie: read the title |
| 14:21.31 | Winkie | tuv: whoops |
| 14:21.35 | Winkie | tuv: sorry about that |
| 14:21.49 | Winkie | shame is dpkg is dead too :) |
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| 14:22.04 | alcy | tuv, greycat: its an isolated n/w (virtualbox host only n/wking), with foo running a tinydns server. external host uses the same dns server, and can telnet fine. no firewall in place. |
| 14:22.41 | greycat | are you typing "telnet foo"? or are you typing "telnet localhost"? or "telnet 127.0.0.1"? or "telnet some.other.ip.address"? |
| 14:23.28 | alcy | tried all. only the ipaddress of foo makes it work. (the ethernet interface addr) |
| 14:23.39 | greycat | "telnet 127.0.0.1" doesn't work?? |
| 14:23.45 | alcy | nopes :S |
| 14:23.49 | greycat | What error do you get? |
| 14:23.58 | alcy | none, connection timed out |
| 14:24.12 | greycat | There *has* to be a firewall. Nothing else makes sense. |
| 14:24.14 | riz_ | Hello. Is there a way to force re-syinc raid 1 (hardware) with mpt-status or other similar software? |
| 14:24.37 | tuv | telnet could be listening on one interface only |
| 14:25.16 | greycat | If it were only listening on eth0 then he would get connection refused. |
| 14:25.18 | greycat | Not a timeout. |
| 14:25.55 | tuv | if e telnet to localhost, no one is listening there |
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| 14:26.49 | tuv | hmm. right. timeout sounds like someone is listening but not responding |
| 14:27.09 | alcy | tuv, greycat, hmm..I will look at the address records again , probably. but it beats me why the other host can telnet just fine |
| 14:27.27 | TimSmall | riz_: LSI 106x? |
| 14:27.28 | tuv | alcy: tcpdump |
| 14:28.16 | alcy | tuv: not on my setup right now, but thought it might be a gotcha with dns or something, nice suggestion though, will try it tomorrow ! |
| 14:28.19 | riz_ | TimSmall: SAS1068 PCI-X Fusion-MPT SAS |
| 14:29.27 | hemanth | sudo -v does not mean that the user/group is in the ALL=(ALL) ALL directive under sudoers |
| 14:29.46 | TimSmall | riz_: Don't really trust those cards - at least one unfixed hw/firmware bug that I know of, but isn't there an LSI binary to frob those cards? |
| 14:29.46 | hemanth | how could one find out ALL=(ALL) for a user? |
| 14:29.56 | TimSmall | riz_: megacli or something? |
| 14:30.19 | riz_ | TimSmall: just mpt-status for checking |
| 14:30.36 | hemanth | greycat, need help |
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| 14:31.23 | riz_ | TimSmall: there is OMSA also, but never tried it. |
| 14:31.43 | TimSmall | riz_: http://wiki.debian.org/LinuxRaidForAdmins |
| 14:31.52 | riz_ | TimSmall: and "lsiutils" also |
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| 14:33.18 | festr_ | hi anyone here using xen and suspend feature? |
| 14:33.20 | riz_ | TimSmall: yes, the driver used is mptsas |
| 14:33.33 | festr_ | I'm figuring out which kernel use as it does not work on 2.6.32 |
| 14:34.43 | greycat | hemanth: read the sudoers file. |
| 14:35.15 | TimSmall | riz_: Sorry megacli is for the other family of broken LSI cards isn't it - lsiutil is the one I think. |
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| 14:36.29 | TimSmall | riz_: Although to be honest, I think you're probably better off dumping the RAID on that card (which I think may be done partly in the driver anyway), and using software RAID... |
| 14:36.41 | hemanth | greycat, to read sudoers file, we need sudo perm right? I create a user called sudoapache and add the following line to /etc/sudoers |
| 14:36.41 | hemanth | %sudoapache ALL=(ALL) /usr/sbin/apache2ctl Which says the group sudoapache can run /usr/sbin/apache2ctl, but not on sudo apt-get :( |
| 14:37.12 | greycat | hemanth: It is normal security practice NOT to reveal information (like who can do what0 to a potential attacker. |
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| 14:38.11 | hemanth | greycat, i just want to check if the user has sudo privilege, cos the script has man sudo apt-get install's, so i need to check at line 0 if the user has the perm is so continue or else exit |
| 14:38.13 | greycat | I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt for now, but your line of questioning is hinting somewhat strongly toward "I'm trying to do something I'm not supposed to be doing." |
| 14:38.29 | riz_ | TimSmall: I can't dump the card. My server isn't near me. Probabily bettes solution is to shutdown the machine, and goes on bios of controller and check from it.. |
| 14:38.50 | greycat | hemanth: just abort if the "sudo apt-get update" fails. |
| 14:39.08 | TimSmall | riz_: Why not use lsiutil ? |
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| 14:39.28 | hemanth | greycat, can i avoid sudo apt-get update to prompt for the password? |
| 14:39.34 | TimSmall | riz_: ftp://ftp.lsil.com/HostAdapterDrivers/linux/lsiutil/LSIUtil_UG.pdf |
| 14:39.39 | riz_ | TimSmall: I use it but there isn't a function like "verifying" or "rebuild" |
| 14:39.41 | hemanth | greycat, because it bangs after asking for the password |
| 14:39.49 | greycat | hemanth: read the description of "sudo -v" in the manual |
| 14:39.57 | greycat | what does "bangs" mean? |
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| 14:40.40 | greycat | The user should probably be typing "sudo ./yourscript" anyway. |
| 14:40.41 | hemanth | greycat, sudo apt-get update, it prompts for the passwords and then says the user is not in the sudoers file.. |
| 14:40.56 | greycat | hemanth: and this is a problem because...? |
| 14:40.58 | abrotman | why are you using sudo ? |
| 14:41.40 | hemanth | i have made a setup script for diaspora, that has many sudo apt-get installs |
| 14:41.44 | greycat | If the answer to any of our question is "my users are too stupid to type two things instead of one thing" then give them a wrapper script. |
| 14:41.57 | greycat | hemanth: sudo ./yourscript |
| 14:42.16 | TimSmall | riz_: OK, quite possibly, they are shite IMO - I run software RAID on top of a couple of them, and the controller appears to corrupt data silently - I get steadily increasing mismatches during software raid checks. |
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| 14:42.42 | neeraj_gupta | wondering where to ask package building related query. |
| 14:42.52 | TimSmall | riz_: On my TODO list to phase them out for all my clients.... You could always put a support request into Dell or LSI? |
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| 14:43.14 | greycat | neeraj_gupta: in general you can always start by asking here, and if it's too complex or off-topic here, someone will tell you a better place to go |
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| 14:43.44 | TimSmall | riz_: Good luck with that tho - they don't seem too interested in this for instance http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14831 |
| 14:43.45 | RichiH | hmmm, is there any place in /proc where i can read out when the last OOM kill happened? |
| 14:43.52 | hemanth | greycat, right :) thanks |
| 14:44.01 | RichiH | or a similar way to detect OOMs via remote monitoring |
| 14:44.16 | TimSmall | riz_: Not that Linux software RAID doesn't have bugs, but at least you stand a chance of getting them fixed. |
| 14:45.21 | themill | neeraj_gupta: #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net is usually a better place. |
| 14:46.29 | riz_ | TimSmall: yes, you are right but as I said before I can't remove the card now.. |
| 14:47.16 | neeraj_gupta | Ok. I was adding some feature in a package, and I was using quilt. Now I have made changes in Makefile.am file. Now I am not sure how to run autoreconf -i through quilt. I used quilt shell but it didn't exactly worked out |
| 14:47.59 | neeraj_gupta | When I created the debdiff file, then autom4*.cache was included in debdiff file |
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| 14:49.57 | jordanm | neeraj_gupta: quilt is a patch management system. have you read the new maintainers guide? |
| 14:51.45 | neeraj_gupta | jordanm: hmm.. I have been using quilt for quite some time. This but this is the first time, that I need to run some command after making changes. I was told to use quilt shell (enter) cmds (exit) |
| 14:53.37 | jordanm | when using source format 3.0 (quilt), the patches in debian/patches/series are applied when unpacking the source package. commands after will occur during the build process, using debian/rules |
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| 14:56.27 | nsadmin | debian/rules clean should remove automate.cache if debian/rules build creates it |
| 14:56.32 | hemanth | admin group id is 119? |
| 14:56.55 | nsadmin | admin group is the number of the admin group |
| 14:57.02 | nsadmin | whatever it happens to be |
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| 14:57.35 | hemanth | nsadmin, didn't get u |
| 14:58.28 | nsadmin | I have no admin group |
| 14:58.45 | nsadmin | you have one? |
| 14:59.13 | hemanth | yes adm and admin |
| 14:59.29 | hemanth | id command |
| 14:59.38 | rolandpish | For the first time I'll do a debian setup using a separate partition for / and another for /home. How big can / partition must be to have enough room and at the same time don't waste space? |
| 15:00.20 | nsadmin | is this for a server? or what kind of box? |
| 15:00.35 | nsadmin | I have adm but not admin |
| 15:00.47 | greycat | Same here. |
| 15:00.49 | nsadmin | I have nsadmin group |
| 15:00.59 | nsadmin | but that's because I have nsadmin user |
| 15:01.23 | nsadmin | and nsadmin nick!!! wow! omg! lol! wotta coincidence! |
| 15:02.03 | hemanth | :) |
| 15:02.44 | nsadmin | greycat: your adm is gid 4? |
| 15:03.00 | greycat | yes, but that doesn't really matter |
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| 15:03.09 | nsadmin | understood |
| 15:03.17 | greycat | So long as whatever files it "owns" match up. |
| 15:03.46 | jhutchins_lt | rolandpish: THere are two choices. You can make it too small, in which case it will eventually run out of space, or you can make it too large, in which case your other partition will run out of space while there is still plenty on /. |
| 15:03.59 | nsadmin | well the nfs thing, you have to be more careful about at least uids |
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| 15:04.23 | meder | I usually close my laptop or manually suspend it and when I go to hit a button to wake it up I see the login screen... but I can't type anything for my password. I have to wait 4-5 minutes and suddenly it goes to a screensaver and then I hit a button again and that wakes it up. |
| 15:04.27 | meder | What's up with this behaviour? |
| 15:04.40 | greycat | nsadmin: true, but 'adm' probably shouldn't own anything that's NFS shared |
| 15:05.08 | nsadmin | good poitn |
| 15:05.11 | greycat | No system accounts other than 0 (root) should own files that are on NFS shares. Generally. |
| 15:05.50 | greycat | Although group membership is a trickier thing. |
| 15:06.00 | ustunozgur | I'm getting an error during upgrade: vim-common can't be installed with the error "trying to overwrite '/usr/share/vim/vimcurrent', which is also in package llvm-dev 2.6-9" |
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| 15:06.17 | ustunozgur | and I have tried with apt-get install -f. any ideas? I'm running sid. |
| 15:06.24 | greycat | To be honest, 95% of what I deal with doesn't use group permissions at all. Most of my files & dirs have the same perms for group and world. |
| 15:06.31 | rolandpish | jhutchins_lt, ok thanks. I'm planning to use this server as a LAMP+SVN, so is having only one partition for all the best choice? |
| 15:07.03 | abrotman | !tell ustunozgur about overwrite |
| 15:07.06 | abrotman | !tell ustunozgur about why aptitude |
| 15:07.06 | greycat | ustunozgur: you can either remove the other pkg, or use dpkg --force-overwrite (I think it's spelled -- check dpkg --force-help to be sure) |
| 15:07.19 | abrotman | ustunozgur: if you're giong to use sid, you should really learn how to use the man pages |
| 15:07.26 | abrotman | crap .. no bot |
| 15:07.36 | greycat | Ow. |
| 15:07.47 | nsadmin | greycat: then would it be fair to say most of the permissions you apply are very simple? |
| 15:07.52 | greycat | yes |
| 15:07.52 | abrotman | ustunozgur: dpkg --force-ovewrite /path/to/full/vim-common_3432rafasefasefaswhatever.deb |
| 15:08.01 | greycat | abrotman: plus -i |
| 15:08.36 | nsadmin | minus +i? |
| 15:08.43 | greycat | Though for a sid user, "use --force-overwrite" ought to be enough. If he can't figure out the -i and the filename.deb bits, he should not be using sid. |
| 15:09.26 | ustunozgur | yeah, I actually made the error of going sid a year ago. I really should downgrade. |
| 15:10.14 | nsadmin | to be fair, a lot of the information a sid user should know is fairly hidden; I'll advance that a sid user should know C and read the diffs of the packages to be installed |
| 15:11.09 | ustunozgur | yeah, it is too much work for the ordinary user. |
| 15:11.54 | nsadmin | and should know C -well-, including structs, pointers, memory alloc, unusual/advanced uses of preprocessor |
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| 15:12.23 | ustunozgur | anyway, abrotman that solved it, thank you. |
| 15:12.42 | abrotman | greycat: oh, yes, whoops |
| 15:12.58 | ustunozgur | what is the safest way to downgrade to testing? I have found some pointers, but some are old. |
| 15:13.02 | nsadmin | I don't think it's the only way to go, but if you do have that kind of knowledge it can help you to remain stable |
| 15:13.13 | greycat | I think that in-depth knowledge of C would *help* but isn't strictly necessary as long as you know the package manager and Unix, and have some idea what to do if the system breaks. |
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| 15:13.39 | jhutchins_lt | ustunozgur: Download the netinstall image. |
| 15:13.53 | nsadmin | but my main point is how information sid users should know is increasingly veiled... |
| 15:13.53 | greycat | ustunozgur: in general, the only ways are (1) reinstall, or (2) change sources.list to testing and wait until testing catches up to you |
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| 15:14.11 | jhutchins_lt | ustunozgur: Which it won't, because it's frozen. |
| 15:14.15 | qwd | I |
| 15:14.19 | abrotman | well .. it will pretty much |
| 15:14.20 | greycat | It will. Some day. |
| 15:14.24 | abrotman | he could manually downgrade those |
| 15:14.34 | abrotman | should be close enough to not matter |
| 15:14.38 | nsadmin | if we take C as an example, it used to be taught in schools extensively, and now I don't think you can find any university that teaches it |
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| 15:15.46 | qwd | I'm using Debian Testing with LXDE on Asus EEE 701. When I use screen and press ctrl+esc to go into copy mode it says "copy mode aborted" after pressing up down left or right, anyone idea on what might be wrong? |
| 15:16.08 | nsadmin | debian (or #debian) people might think the barrier to entry is at the same level all the time... and maybe they're right, |
| 15:16.16 | greycat | The arrow keys send ESC [ stuff which screen seems to be interpreting as ESC, then a bunch of other stuff. |
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| 15:16.33 | nsadmin | but what I think is happening is everyone is sinking downward |
| 15:16.51 | abrotman | nsadmin: are you done? |
| 15:16.52 | abrotman | :) |
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| 15:17.36 | qwd | greycat: it worked fine when everything was newly installed, but i don't know what changed it. |
| 15:17.41 | nsadmin | I just don't think people should say "if you ask question X, you cannot do Y" |
| 15:17.58 | greycat | qwd: I suppose it might be confused about the $TERM variable or something. Personally I'd just use the standard vi movement keys (hjkl) instead of the arrows. |
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| 15:18.25 | nsadmin | I think it's dishonest |
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| 15:18.29 | themill | nsadmin: s/cannot/should not/. |
| 15:18.38 | themill | for our sake as well as the punter |
| 15:18.49 | qwd | greycat: ah! thanks, i'll just use hjkl too then |
| 15:20.24 | nsadmin | what would be honest would be to say "if you're using sid but you're asking question X, it tells us that you lack a big chunk of background, and maybe you don't want to run sid for that reason. Another reason you might not want to run sid is people who otherwise could help you will not want to, since it would take too much time and energy" |
| 15:20.28 | nsadmin | that would be honest |
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| 15:21.14 | jordanm | thats so many more keys to type... |
| 15:21.16 | themill | nsadmin: feel free to type that in every time. I'm happy to stick to "if you don't know how to do that already, you shouldn't be running sid." |
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| 15:21.40 | ustunozgur | thank you nsadmin. you echo my feelings :) |
| 15:22.04 | greycat | nsadmin: isn't that what "shouldn't be using sid" means, though? |
| 15:22.13 | nsadmin | themill: one is acknowledging of a human condition, the other is potentially hurtful |
| 15:22.59 | themill | ustunozgur: if you had asked about downgrading from sid to squeeze about a month ago you would have found it a lot easier than now. sid and squeeze are diverging rapidly and the downgrade is getting increasingly non-trivial. |
| 15:23.00 | ustunozgur | each time I ask a sid question, someone says "shouldn't be using", I suspect there is a bot that detects that I'm using sid, and responds I shouldn't be using sid. but how else does one learn sid? |
| 15:23.04 | nsadmin | yes, it is... but remember that meaning is known mostly to experienced people. it coudl be broken down |
| 15:23.39 | nsadmin | ustunozgur: the truth is that many here won't support sid at all, for some reasons mentioned |
| 15:24.28 | themill | ustunozgur: sid users are expected to be experienced enough to be able to support themselves. They gain this experience by using stable and testing so that they know the basics (e.g. I need to use -i with dpkg to install the package) prior to having to unbreak a really screwed up system. |
| 15:24.35 | abrotman | ustunozgur: you don't "learn" sid .. you decide that you have the technical ability for it, or you have enough free time to break it and fix it |
| 15:25.18 | nsadmin | ustunozgur: wipe/reinstall is the same amount of work every time... downgrade from sid will get harder and harder |
| 15:27.23 | ustunozgur | actually, judging from my use for one year, there are a small common set of problems. I wish they were documented somewhere. One basically applies more or less the same solutions everytime -- force an install, change a config file etc. It shouldn't be as closed as you suggest. |
| 15:27.23 | nsadmin | ustunozgur: all of what abrotman says is true... and I'll add the original purpose of sid: to have a place where development takes place in something of an experimental level, and people can run it for the -sole- purpose of debugging |
| 15:27.39 | greycat | An appropriate question at this point might be, WHY do you think you need to use sid? |
| 15:27.55 | nsadmin | doesn't he want to downgrade? |
| 15:27.57 | greycat | Almost all such cases should be handled by backports (either bp.o or self-built). |
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| 15:28.04 | ustunozgur | actually my mistake was temptation |
| 15:28.08 | ustunozgur | I had upgraded for kde |
| 15:28.12 | Bushmills | moving targets are sort of difficult to support |
| 15:28.33 | nsadmin | and sid moves pretty much the fastest |
| 15:28.44 | jordanm | except right now during the freeze |
| 15:28.48 | ustunozgur | then somehow managed it, but each time I get an error, I usually fix it by googling. Otherwise I come here, and someone fixes the problem, and says I shouldn't be using it. |
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| 15:29.19 | nsadmin | it's like you see the target and shoot, and a week later after your partition dies, the arrow hits your cat's butt |
| 15:29.21 | jordanm | because if you wern't using it, you likely never would have had that problem in the first place |
| 15:29.42 | jordanm | its self-inflicted problems |
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| 15:30.29 | Tyzao_ | im installing debian |
| 15:30.36 | nsadmin | yay! |
| 15:30.40 | tomodachi | high-five |
| 15:30.41 | nsadmin | I mean, huh?? |
| 15:30.50 | Tyzao_ | so far so good |
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| 15:31.07 | nsadmin | first time? |
| 15:31.13 | Bushmills | though it can be a good exercise for developing your problem solution skills |
| 15:31.13 | Tyzao_ | yeah |
| 15:31.27 | Tyzao_ | or maybe a long time since |
| 15:31.34 | Tyzao_ | I had redhat like ten years ago |
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| 15:31.41 | Tyzao_ | but it was a long time ago |
| 15:31.53 | nsadmin | and what did you have from 10 yeears ago to now? |
| 15:32.05 | Tyzao_ | expensive stuff |
| 15:32.09 | karlpinc | Tyzao_: What will you use it for? |
| 15:32.11 | Tyzao_ | thats supposed to work |
| 15:32.15 | Bushmills | 10 years? that's not long, that's already 2.x kernel |
| 15:32.30 | Tyzao_ | in fact it was a bit more than 10 years |
| 15:32.31 | tomodachi | still some good stuff has happened since then |
| 15:32.38 | Tyzao_ | we had vax/vms |
| 15:32.47 | tomodachi | oldschool |
| 15:32.54 | tomodachi | hardly a desktop machine then though |
| 15:32.54 | greycat | O_o |
| 15:32.55 | Tyzao_ | and i experimented with xwindows a bit |
| 15:33.05 | Tyzao_ | yeah they were terminals |
| 15:33.11 | tomodachi | still have those |
| 15:33.14 | tomodachi | just more of them |
| 15:33.16 | tomodachi | on the same machine |
| 15:33.27 | Tyzao_ | new job |
| 15:33.34 | Tyzao_ | everyone here is running linux |
| 15:33.38 | Tyzao_ | making the switch |
| 15:33.46 | nsadmin | Tyzao_ so what do you find yourself wanting now? |
| 15:34.11 | Tyzao_ | ill run mysql |
| 15:34.14 | Tyzao_ | and python |
| 15:34.18 | Tyzao_ | and OPUS |
| 15:34.22 | Tyzao_ | lets see |
| 15:34.24 | Tyzao_ | QGIS |
| 15:34.25 | karlpinc | And then there's the eternal question: Emacs or vi? |
| 15:34.32 | Tyzao_ | R |
| 15:34.39 | Tyzao_ | stuff like that |
| 15:34.54 | karlpinc | Tyzao_: R rocks. (I prefer postgresql, and postgis if necessary.) |
| 15:35.02 | Tyzao_ | oh yeah |
| 15:35.06 | nsadmin | oh ok, so would it be fair to say you're pretty handy with the shell? |
| 15:35.13 | Tyzao_ | i heard postgres is better |
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| 15:35.29 | Tyzao_ | hmm i need some practice |
| 15:35.32 | karlpinc | Tyzao_: More feature complete and stable, IMO. |
| 15:35.32 | nsadmin | well it's definitely more towards the standard |
| 15:35.35 | Tyzao_ | but i used to move around ok |
| 15:35.47 | karlpinc | Tyzao_: The tab key is your friend. |
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| 15:36.05 | Tyzao_ | good to know |
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| 15:36.55 | nsadmin | the features that let you compose the way your database fails to allow itself to be corrupted are more consistantly available, whereas on mysql to have certain of those features requires some specific backend |
| 15:37.08 | karlpinc | Tyzao_: Also, use either emacs or vi (depending) keystrokes to edit on the command line. (emacs is the default AFAICT so you need to frob a knob if your a vi guy.) |
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| 15:38.16 | greycat | yes, emacs mode is the default in bash |
| 15:38.18 | karlpinc | nsadmin: You mean postgres is ACID, mysql only sometimes. |
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| 15:38.44 | karlpinc | Tyzao_: Also use etags (or the vi equalivient) if doing a lot of source code browsing. |
| 15:38.50 | Tyzao_ | not really a vi guy |
| 15:39.13 | nsadmin | yes, and it has constraints, stored procs and other mechanisms that mysql may still lack |
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| 15:39.43 | Tyzao_ | i was using Stata |
| 15:39.49 | Tyzao_ | but now am gonna try to move to R |
| 15:39.57 | nsadmin | Tyzao_, bottom line on postgres, it might be worth your time to look into it. |
| 15:40.00 | Tyzao_ | the same with ArcGIS and QGIS |
| 15:40.17 | karlpinc | Tyzao_: See GRASS also. |
| 15:40.30 | Tyzao_ | my collegue mentioned this to me |
| 15:40.39 | Tyzao_ | i hadnt heard of it |
| 15:41.02 | Tyzao_ | how do QGIS and GRASS compare to ArcGIS? |
| 15:41.20 | nsadmin | so you're going to use all this stuff to do what, ultimately? |
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| 15:41.51 | Tyzao_ | i built an urban simulation system which a compilation of discrete choice models of Accra, Ghana |
| 15:41.59 | karlpinc | Tyzao_: You'll find that there are a lot of "smaller" pieces that fit together to make of the functionality of the "larger" propreitary packages. You have to hook into the community, which is usually as simple as sending an email, to find out everybody's opinion as to the best combination of tools. |
| 15:42.13 | Tyzao_ | kul |
| 15:42.15 | karlpinc | Tyzao_: I'm not qualified to comment on GIS systems. |
| 15:42.25 | Tyzao_ | me either really |
| 15:42.43 | Tyzao_ | i mostly use it for displaying graphics and illustrating spatial change over time |
| 15:42.50 | nsadmin | I'm not either, but I'm curious what you wanted to do |
| 15:43.06 | Tyzao_ | but Ive been using Stata for a while now |
| 15:43.17 | Tyzao_ | and will be interested to compare it to R |
| 15:43.30 | karlpinc | Tyzao_: Subscribe to mailing lists. RTFM. And as a newbie, install only the software in the debian repositories. Installing stuff from hither and yon means you're doing your own systems integration. |
| 15:43.46 | Tyzao_ | ok good advice |
| 15:44.03 | karlpinc | Tyzao_: All the statisticians I've spoken to (not a statistically valid sample) prefer R. |
| 15:44.11 | Tyzao_ | i heard its the best |
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| 15:44.25 | Tyzao_ | or that stata and R are the two tops |
| 15:44.33 | nsadmin | there;s a fair chance that most people won't be using those kinds of things, so you'll have to be an action taker, proactive in order to move at all sometimes |
| 15:45.02 | Tyzao_ | ill want to install python as well |
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| 15:45.07 | karlpinc | nsadmin: You'd be suprised. There's a lot of data visualization going on. |
| 15:45.08 | Tyzao_ | but i guess thats pretty standard stuff |
| 15:45.09 | nsadmin | that's easy |
| 15:45.25 | Tyzao_ | and then theres all kind of packages |
| 15:45.31 | Tyzao_ | numpy |
| 15:45.33 | Tyzao_ | scipy |
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| 15:45.57 | karlpinc | Tyzao_: You _may_ want to do things the "python way" and install from their repos, or not. |
| 15:46.07 | Tyzao_ | oh yea |
| 15:46.29 | Tyzao_ | you mean like a svn update? |
| 15:46.31 | nsadmin | let me ask this question... is the entire history of the stock market and the trades against it available somewhere? |
| 15:47.04 | nsadmin | that would be data I'd like to visualize and try strategies against |
| 15:47.04 | karlpinc | Tyzao_: Yah. Python has it's own system of installing packages and updating them. |
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| 15:47.20 | Tyzao_ | im a little concerned for this |
| 15:47.31 | Tyzao_ | because of the drivers with OPUS |
| 15:47.59 | Tyzao_ | if they arent updated |
| 15:48.07 | nsadmin | anything that's closed source you want to find out about right now |
| 15:48.15 | Tyzao_ | hm |
| 15:48.21 | Tyzao_ | i had this issue with mysql |
| 15:48.25 | nsadmin | like drivers and stuff |
| 15:48.50 | Tyzao_ | when python went to 2.6 the driver for MySQL was old |
| 15:48.58 | Tyzao_ | but this was in windows |
| 15:49.09 | karlpinc | Tyzao_: That's why you install from the debian repos. All that stuff works together. |
| 15:49.17 | Tyzao_ | ok nice |
| 15:49.33 | nsadmin | because the truth is that if you can't get drivers for something because it's closed source, you may have chosen the wrong OS |
| 15:49.34 | Tyzao_ | i have a feeling the drivers will be updated much better |
| 15:49.45 | nsadmin | you could be right |
| 15:50.02 | nsadmin | I'm just saying it's a priority to find out |
| 15:50.07 | Tyzao_ | i think its a good time to make the jump |
| 15:50.39 | Tyzao_ | besides everyone at my new institute only uses Linux |
| 15:51.07 | nsadmin | do you still have a copy of the old system? |
| 15:51.23 | karlpinc | Tyzao_: Go here, debian.org, and the debian wiki for support. If that's not good go directly to software's project page. After that try googling random advice. The last step is dangerous for a newbie and usually not needed. |
| 15:51.56 | Tyzao_ | i have some laptops and stuff |
| 15:52.07 | Tyzao_ | ok debian.org |
| 15:52.08 | karlpinc | Tyzao_: Also, type "/msg dpkg bpo", "/msg dpkg volatile" for more info on enabling additional debian repos that can be useful. |
| 15:52.19 | nsadmin | good, you should put debian on a spare machine |
| 15:52.28 | karlpinc | (or at least a spare drive) |
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| 15:53.07 | Tyzao_ | i was wondering about a good word processor / publisher , for writing articles, books etc...any suggestions? |
| 15:53.49 | nsadmin | one word of warning... it really does sound like you may have to compile things yourself to get the versions you want. the warning is: put them in /usr/local, not /usr |
| 15:53.59 | karlpinc | Tyzao_: I prefer docbook (which can be edited with lyx) if that floats your boat. Academia perfers tex or latex. |
| 15:54.01 | J11 | when you upgrade etch to lenny, is it required to update everything first?(as etch mirror gives 404) |
| 15:54.42 | nsadmin | J11, I would. yes. |
| 15:54.45 | Tyzao_ | is docbook good with charts, graphs and images? cause I produce a lot of those |
| 15:54.49 | karlpinc | Tyzao_: Otherwise. Openoffice. There are many alternatives, but folks often want MS Office compatibility. |
| 15:55.07 | Tyzao_ | i had a lot of problems with MS Word |
| 15:55.14 | Tyzao_ | cause the images bounce all over the place |
| 15:55.21 | karlpinc | Tyzao_: O Rielly uses docbook as their pre-press format. |
| 15:55.30 | Tyzao_ | ahhh |
| 15:56.34 | karlpinc | Tyzao_: http://www.docbook.org/ |
| 15:56.48 | Tyzao_ | i made a note of it |
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| 15:57.15 | Tyzao_ | maybe i didnt give it enough time, but I didnt really like latex |
| 15:57.33 | karlpinc | Tyzao_: I find docbook much easier. |
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| 15:58.08 | karlpinc | Tyzao_: If you want serious control over layout/desktop publishing you want something like scribus. |
| 15:58.08 | Tyzao_ | sounds perfect |
| 15:58.24 | Tyzao_ | ahhh |
| 15:58.29 | Tyzao_ | options I like it |
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| 15:58.54 | karlpinc | Tyzao_: I also like being able to use a version control system. I prefer darcs. Mercerial, git, and subversion are other choices. |
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| 15:59.09 | nsadmin | you might want to look around at packages.debian.org (browse content of dist) |
| 15:59.35 | karlpinc | Tyzao_: Or install the debtags package and look at the categories. |
| 15:59.46 | qwd | Tyzao_: check out LyX, it might not be for you but it's an interesting alternative to word processors |
| 15:59.55 | Tyzao_ | ok |
| 16:00.06 | Tyzao_ | im having a look at the packages |
| 16:00.16 | karlpinc | if I wasn't so into emacs I'd use lyx. |
| 16:00.36 | nsadmin | if you'er used to ms word lyx is gonna be weird |
| 16:00.50 | nsadmin | will take a bit of getting used to |
| 16:01.18 | karlpinc | Tyzao_: If you're really new to this you'll want to "man man" and "info info" and be sure you learn how to use the search functions so you can find the part of the docs you really need to read. |
| 16:01.47 | nsadmin | you may actually decide to edit latex as text files and batch it to latex manually |
| 16:01.49 | Tyzao_ | ok |
| 16:01.59 | Tyzao_ | that sounds like Stata help as well |
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| 16:03.09 | karlpinc | Tyzao_: Also be sure to read a packages /usr/share/doc/foobar/README.Debian file to find out the debian way to configure and run it. Mostly things work out of the box after install, but sometimes it's necessary to turn on deamons or otherwise make configuration changes. |
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| 16:03.22 | karlpinc | s/packages/package's/ |
| 16:03.30 | qwd | nsadmin: would you say editing latex as text is much harder than lyx? (assuming no experience with either) |
| 16:04.15 | karlpinc | qwd: I find latex hard to read, and docbook much easier. |
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| 16:04.49 | karlpinc | qwd: I'd definately start with lyx if I had to use latex because otherwise I'd not be able to get anything done. |
| 16:05.20 | nsadmin | well I've never tried without exp, so I'm not actually sure |
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| 16:06.24 | nsadmin | I don't think editing the text is hard if you add one thing at a time and test each change |
| 16:06.59 | nsadmin | but you have to know tex and latex |
| 16:07.18 | nsadmin | or be learning them |
| 16:09.39 | karlpinc | has exhausted his newbie advice |
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| 16:13.26 | magyarlatin | anyone knows a way to have a confirmation dialog before send files to trash in gnome using nautilus file manager? |
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| 16:15.51 | Tyzao_ | ok install is done |
| 16:15.56 | Tyzao_ | im booting the new system now |
| 16:17.36 | magyarlatin | hello everyone, anyone knows a way to have a confirmation dialog before send files to trash in gnome using nautilus file manager? |
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| 16:17.55 | Tyzao_ | lukn gud |
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| 16:18.42 | Tyzao_ | hey hey its nice |
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| 16:20.10 | Tyzao_ | espn.com comes in soooo fast |
| 16:21.10 | J11 | how do i remount /boot as rw? i tried mount -n -o remount,rw /boot but that didn't work |
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| 16:21.56 | greycat | what error did you get? |
| 16:22.10 | J11 | just nothing |
| 16:22.29 | greycat | then what makes you think it failed? |
| 16:22.56 | J11 | running mount still gives /dev/sda1 on /boot type ext3 (ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev) |
| 16:23.48 | jordanm | J11: you gave it -n which tells it not to update /etc/mtab |
| 16:23.52 | Bennij | Doesn't pla- yeah |
| 16:24.38 | jordanm | J11: when you type "mount" with no arguements, it just read /etc/mtab. so the output of "mount" may not reflect what is really going on in this case |
| 16:27.39 | J11 | oh ok, the kernel upgrade of etch seem to work this time |
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| 16:29.56 | jordanm | J11: etch is no longer supported, consider upgrading to lenny |
| 16:30.55 | greycat | I thought that's what he was trying to do... |
| 16:31.01 | J11 | jordanm: i'm upgrading it to lenny, but first upgrading it to the latest updates, had to change mirror to archive.debian.org for it to work |
| 16:33.52 | jordanm | ah, yes |
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| 16:36.05 | thenthenio | can somebody drive me through chroot and recover lilo procedure? |
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| 16:38.14 | thenthenio | what do I need to do to have /dev /proc etc after chroot? |
| 16:41.04 | karlpinc | thenthenio: I'm not sure. It surely involves the mount command. Why would you need those to rescue lilo? |
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| 16:43.36 | b11d` | im using debian lenny.. default kernel works great but when I upgrade, I lose LVM/mapper support and cannot boot any longer. I've rebuilt the kernel and the initrd files.. is there anythign else I need to do to make the /dev/mapper stuff work successfully? |
| 16:43.55 | b11d` | my raid card, and sata controller are modularized and show up in /proc/modules |
| 16:44.01 | b11d` | my disk shows up as /dev/sda correctly |
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| 16:44.58 | b11d` | i have grub loading the correct kernel and initrd files.. |
| 16:45.02 | b11d` | sigh.. :p |
| 16:45.42 | karlpinc | b11d`: What do you mean "upgrade"? |
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| 16:46.38 | karlpinc | !tell b11d` about bpo |
| 16:46.55 | b11d` | im installing a new kernel.. thats what I mean, i guess |
| 16:47.15 | jordanm | b11d`: what new kernel? |
| 16:47.19 | b11d` | 2.6.32.21 |
| 16:47.27 | b11d` | w/ Xen 4.0.1 |
| 16:47.30 | jordanm | b11d`: from lenny-backports? |
| 16:47.37 | b11d` | no |
| 16:47.50 | jordanm | b11d`: where did you get it? |
| 16:47.59 | b11d` | from xen.org git repo |
| 16:48.03 | b11d` | err mercurial repo |
| 16:48.07 | jordanm | b11d`: try #xen |
| 16:48.09 | b11d` | im there |
| 16:48.13 | b11d` | thanks though |
| 16:48.16 | jordanm | cross-posting? |
| 16:48.43 | b11d` | i figure this is some sort of driver related issue or stupidness on my part |
| 16:49.48 | jhutchins_lt | jordanm: y'know, that's not the first time we've seen that question. |
| 16:50.02 | jhutchins_lt | jordanm: Why would a VM need to know about raid though? |
| 16:50.03 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: related to the kernel? |
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| 16:50.26 | jhutchins_lt | Ja, I think so. Upgrade to bpo and trouble with LVM/Mapper/RAID. |
| 16:50.26 | jordanm | its not raid, its lvm. I am assuming that he is giving each VM a dedicated LV |
| 16:50.36 | b11d` | yeah I was asking about this two days ago :) |
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| 16:51.40 | b11d` | there was some sort of "vgcreate" command I had to issue to fix this once before |
| 16:51.43 | b11d` | but i dont recall it at all :( |
| 16:51.43 | jhutchins_lt | jordanm: I avoid LVM, and in my experience with Parallels the host virtualizes everything, so... |
| 16:52.28 | b11d` | i hate this LVM /dev/mapper stuff |
| 16:52.35 | b11d` | but whatever, it seems to be the way we're going |
| 16:52.40 | b11d` | so I better learn |
| 16:52.50 | b11d` | and im sure it's great, really |
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| 16:55.21 | jhutchins_lt | b11d`: What advantage does LVM give you in this situation? |
| 16:56.04 | b11d` | i dunno really |
| 16:56.06 | b11d` | no clue ? |
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| 16:56.16 | b11d` | its what the installer basically forced upon me |
| 16:56.26 | Np237 | b11d`, my guess would be, the LVM tools arenât in the initrd |
| 16:56.29 | b11d` | i hear LVM is nice in that you can resize stuff.. i dunno |
| 16:56.49 | b11d` | Np237.. then how do I get them there? :P |
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| 16:59.06 | jhutchins_lt | b11d`: mkinitrd - I think there are some debian tricks to make it easier. |
| 16:59.22 | b11d` | i've modularized the lvm, raid and sata stuff.. |
| 16:59.26 | jhutchins_lt | b11d`: Search terms "debian" and "initrd". |
| 16:59.27 | b11d` | i've run mkinitramfs and rebuilt the initrd |
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| 16:59.43 | b11d` | i had this working yesterday.. sigh.. then i reinstalled |
| 16:59.46 | Np237 | b11d`, you should run update-initramfs instead |
| 16:59.53 | b11d` | why didnt I write it down!! |
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| 17:00.02 | b11d` | i'll try that np237 |
| 17:00.31 | Np237 | mkinitramfs will not add all the Debian stuff, and that includes RAID/LVM scripts |
| 17:00.40 | hramrach_ | Hello |
| 17:00.44 | stew | b11d`: you can also unpack the initramfs and see if the vgchange binary is in there and if the dm_mod.ko is in there |
| 17:01.01 | hramrach_ | Is there some light GUI/TUI for browsing samba shares? |
| 17:01.07 | b11d` | vgchange.. that was the command |
| 17:01.13 | b11d` | i had to run that |
| 17:01.19 | stew | "vgchange -a y" |
| 17:01.21 | b11d` | yes |
| 17:01.29 | b11d` | i gotta try that |
| 17:01.30 | hramrach_ | I don't want to install Nautilus just to test a samba server .. |
| 17:01.30 | stew | is the "enable all volume groups" command |
| 17:01.38 | Bennij | hramrach_: smbclient, no? |
| 17:01.59 | hramrach_ | how do you use it to browse the shares? |
| 17:02.38 | Bennij | ftp-like commands |
| 17:02.51 | hramrach_ | it says smbclient --tons-of-options service |
| 17:02.55 | Bennij | Or do you mean how to invoke it? |
| 17:03.05 | hramrach_ | but smblient \\server does nothing |
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| 17:03.13 | Bennij | smbclient //server/share |
| 17:04.57 | hramrach_ | yes, that works |
| 17:04.58 | hramrach_ | thanks |
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| 17:07.30 | thenthenio | YYYYYYEEEEEHHAAAAAAAAA :-)))) |
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| 17:08.25 | thenthenio | I just restarted the my firewall MTA web server and more! |
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| 17:13.30 | Aprogas | Any danger/risk in doing the upgrade: libstdc++6 [4.3.2-1.1 (stable, now) -> 4.3.4-6~bpo50+1 (lenny-backports)] ? |
| 17:13.51 | hramrach_ | omg smbclient sucks *SO MUCH* |
| 17:14.08 | Aprogas | This happens on my system as result of: aptitude -t lenny-backports install spamassassin |
| 17:14.24 | bronaugh | shrug. IMO unlikely to end the world. |
| 17:14.33 | hramrach_ | it works for me but ymmv |
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| 17:21.00 | hramrach_ | hmm, smbclient does not actually transfer files or stores them at some random place |
| 17:21.57 | _gcr | Hello! I'm building a disk image for a VM with debbootstrap and chroot. I'm trying to install grub, and am not sure how that works... it seems like ubunu-vm-builder and others run apt-get install grub, they bind-mount the disk image *into* the VM, then they run grub with a modified device map. This works, but to generate a menu.lst, they also run update-grub, which runs 'grub-probe -t device /' which fails because it doesn't know that the |
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| 17:22.11 | _gcr | Either I'm not seeing something or the vm-bulider scripts modify the bootloader of the host environment by mistake...? |
| 17:22.42 | abrotman | why are you asking #debian about ubuntu-vm-builder ? |
| 17:23.23 | _gcr | ...good question. Is there a VM-builder for debian? I'm using the ported one from http://wiki.debian.org/VMBuilder |
| 17:23.32 | _gcr | which seems like a fork of ubuntu-vm-builder |
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| 17:26.33 | jordanm | _gcr: it appears that debian calls it debian-vm-builder, according to the article you linked |
| 17:28.05 | _gcr | sorry, my mistake; that's the one I'm looking at though. It bind-mounts /dev into the guest environment, and runs update-grub, is that expected behavior? |
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| 17:31.06 | b11d` | for what its worth.. fixed my problem by issuing "vgchange -a y" in the BusyBox prompt and then I could boot |
| 17:31.13 | b11d` | thanks :) |
| 17:34.08 | jordanm | _gcr: I have never heard of that tool, and I spend quite a bit of time here. I can only assume it is not very widely used, it you will likely find difficulty getting support |
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| 17:36.36 | nsadmin | b11d`, so you need to find out why that;s not happening at boot now... it could simply be that the boot process was not yet designed for lvm and in response you have to jam in a command in a place it will work and be before it's needed |
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| 17:50.03 | b11d` | nsadmin.. i agree |
| 17:50.11 | b11d` | however, on subsequent reboots, its worked flawlessly now |
| 17:50.11 | b11d` | sigh |
| 17:53.39 | hramrach_ | hehe, sort of remote DoS in Linux |
| 17:54.22 | hramrach_ | if you mount a CIFS share and the server fails to respond to only some requests the Linux kernel loops exhausting kernel stack and panicking |
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| 18:00.11 | keith4 | what are my options for playback of h264 content? |
| 18:00.23 | bronaugh | mplayer? |
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| 18:00.29 | eikenberry | vlc |
| 18:00.32 | bronaugh | kaffeine? totem? vlc? |
| 18:01.08 | keith4 | i was trying totem. complains about not having a h264 decoder |
| 18:01.33 | hramrach_ | vlc or mplayer should work |
| 18:01.38 | keith4 | got it. thanks |
| 18:01.44 | keith4 | yah. mplayer works. woohoo |
| 18:01.52 | bronaugh | mplayer is an awesome chainsaw. |
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| 18:02.12 | hramrach_ | mplayer if you want to write config files, vlc if you want to click menus (everytime you play something not completely standard) |
| 18:02.58 | bronaugh | shrug. a lot of the stuff you end up using in mplayer is configurable by whacking keys within the program itself. |
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| 18:03.08 | bronaugh | the exception being cropping dumb videos with huge black borders. |
| 18:03.15 | bronaugh | which is unfortunate because it would be easy. |
| 18:03.15 | tdn | I keep getting these errors in the log: swapper: page allocation failure. order:2, mode:0x4020 |
| 18:03.24 | tdn | What is causing this, and how do I prevent it? |
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| 18:03.47 | hramrach_ | tdn: prehaps you are out of memory? |
| 18:04.49 | tdn | hramrach_, hmm... Appearently I am almost out of physical memory, however there should be more than enough swap free. |
| 18:04.52 | J11 | im upgrading dpkg aptitude and apt first now but it warns me about removal of util-linux and even requires me to type the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!' |
| 18:04.55 | hramrach_ | bronaugh: If I have a series with black border I write a config file for it to ply correctly in mplayer- not possible with vlc afaik |
| 18:05.15 | tdn | hramrach_, how do I see what processes that are taking up memory? |
| 18:05.20 | bronaugh | hramrach_: mplayer has a mode or plugin that detects the actual bounds of the video. |
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| 18:05.36 | bronaugh | then you can use those bounds with the crop plugin or whatever on the command line. |
| 18:05.42 | bronaugh | it's relatively easy. |
| 18:05.46 | abrotman | J11: that doesn't sound good .. put the full output in a pastebin |
| 18:06.22 | hramrach_ | bronaugh: recycling a 3-line commandline is the laternative to writing a config file |
| 18:06.33 | tdn | http://paste.adora.dk/P1773.html this is the output of 'free'. If I understand it correctly, there is actually plenty of free memory, it is just used in caches. I am reading this correctly? |
| 18:06.39 | bronaugh | hramrach_: eh, it's not 3 line. but whateve. |
| 18:07.10 | hramrach_ | it accumulates |
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| 18:08.15 | bronaugh | urgh there is a tech near me drooling about Windows |
| 18:08.17 | J11 | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/nynSYMGL |
| 18:08.42 | abrotman | J11: you should probably using aptitude .. but anyway .. paste your sources.list also |
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| 18:10.14 | bronaugh | J11: I used to use apt-get - but aptitude is an improvement. |
| 18:10.15 | tdn | hramrach_, ? |
| 18:10.25 | hramrach_ | tdn: do you have any other messages? |
| 18:10.31 | hramrach_ | in kernel log perhaps? |
| 18:10.53 | tdn | hramrach_, there are more than 100 of these errors. |
| 18:10.58 | tdn | hramrach_, not sure what to look for. |
| 18:11.13 | tdn | hramrach_, I also have messages saying process X blocked for more than 120 seconds. |
| 18:11.36 | J11 | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/w9Xt8YHF <sources.list i changed |
| 18:11.43 | tdn | hramrach_, http://paste.adora.dk/P1774.html this is my dmesg output. |
| 18:12.03 | abrotman | J11: so when you're dist-upgrading (which seems to be the case) you sohuld be using aptitude normally |
| 18:12.25 | bronaugh | tdn: looks like tweaking vm params is the correct answer. |
| 18:12.41 | bronaugh | "If you are getting a lot of these messages, you can try |
| 18:12.42 | bronaugh | increasing /proc/sys/vm/min_free_kbytes" |
| 18:12.43 | tdn | bronaugh, how to do that? |
| 18:12.46 | bronaugh | http://fixunix.com/kernel/239911-re-kernel-2-6-21-6-swapper-page-allocation-failure-order-1-mode-0x20.html |
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| 18:13.07 | greycat | tdn: you appear to be running an Ubuntu kernel. |
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| 18:13.32 | tdn | greycat, yeah. That was from my laptop. But I frequently receive the same errors on my Debian Lenny server. |
| 18:13.43 | tdn | greycat, the error just occured most recently on my laptop. |
| 18:13.44 | greycat | Since we're not an Ubuntu channel, we don't know anything about these Ubuntu kernels or what bugs they may have. |
| 18:14.04 | tdn | greycat, I know, however, I have the exact same problem on my Debian server. |
| 18:14.18 | greycat | You receive "syslog-ng: page allocation failure" on a Lenny box? |
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| 18:15.14 | tdn | greycat, 2 secs. Locating the logs from when it last happened on the Lenny box. |
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| 18:16.12 | greycat | oh, hmm, there are actually several different processes that are showing up in that paste. |
| 18:16.24 | greycat | lots of PID 0, and an ssh as well |
| 18:16.38 | greycat | It still looks like a kernel bug to me. |
| 18:16.43 | tdn | greycat, PID 0, that's init, right? |
| 18:16.48 | greycat | no, init is 1 |
| 18:17.22 | tdn | greycat, yeah, I reveice page alloc failure on lenny also. |
| 18:17.40 | tdn | greycat, on several occations. Last time was 7th september. |
| 18:17.51 | greycat | what kernel are you running on the Lenny box? |
| 18:17.59 | tdn | greycat, [1280550.211650] swapper: page allocation failure. order:0, mode:0x20 |
| 18:18.15 | tdn | greycat, oh. It also happened 8th of september on lenny. |
| 18:18.18 | tdn | greycat, checking. |
| 18:18.31 | tdn | Linux dynamic 2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 #1 SMP Tue Aug 31 11:17:26 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 18:19.27 | jordanm | could be a hardware issue if both occured on the same hardware |
| 18:19.51 | tdn | jordanm, not the same hardware. |
| 18:20.33 | bronaugh | uh you guys are beating around the bush. |
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| 18:20.48 | tdn | jordanm, the Ubuntu box is my Thinkpad T61p laptop. With 32bit kernel. The Lenny box is an HP ProLiant server with amd64 kernel. |
| 18:20.49 | bronaugh | page alloc failure can be caused by too small a pool of memory available for in-kernel stuff. |
| 18:20.59 | bronaugh | thus the comment about upping the minimum amount of free memory. |
| 18:21.12 | bronaugh | probably has a small amount of memory in the box and thus a small pool of free pages. |
| 18:21.30 | greycat | the one he paste-binned has 3 GB of RAM |
| 18:21.33 | tdn | bronaugh, but my laptop has 4 GB memory. The Lenny server has 12 GB memory. |
| 18:21.55 | greycat | ... OK, let me rephrase: the one he paste-binned has 3 GB or RAM *visible to the kernel* |
| 18:22.03 | tdn | greycat, oh yeah. It is because 32bit cannot use more than 3 GB of my 4 GB RAM. |
| 18:22.08 | greycat | the other bits of RAM are not being used |
| 18:22.13 | tdn | greycat, yeah. |
| 18:22.19 | jordanm | tdn: install the -bigmem kernel |
| 18:22.22 | abrotman | tdn: yes it can |
| 18:22.24 | tdn | greycat, should probably use pae. |
| 18:22.37 | abrotman | it will use 3.3GB without PAE, and up to 64GB with PAE |
| 18:22.39 | bronaugh | ok, maybe not. |
| 18:22.55 | abrotman | however, if the BIOS only sees 3GB, that's all you'll get |
| 18:23.25 | jordanm | 2.6.26-2-686-bigmem - Mem: 8118 |
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| 18:24.04 | tdn | abrotman, oh. But I think the BIOS says 4 GB when booting up. |
| 18:24.18 | abrotman | tdn: please double check .. 3GB is not a kernel limit |
| 18:24.23 | tdn | bronaugh, you still think it is due to too little memory? |
| 18:24.23 | abrotman | 3.0 |
| 18:24.56 | tdn | abrotman, Ok. There is 4 GB in the box. I will check BIOS during next boot up. |
| 18:24.58 | jordanm | 3.0 sounds about right, if you also factor in memory dedicated to video card |
| 18:25.00 | bronaugh | tdn: it's still possible that there are too few pages available; but it's less likely. |
| 18:25.27 | tdn | bronaugh, the Lenny server has 12 gigs memory. |
| 18:26.00 | abrotman | jordanm: you think a video card takes 384MB RAM? not likely |
| 18:26.18 | tdn | Can this be caused by a slow or saturated NFS connection? I am thinking out loud here. It is just that this a thing that is in common between the two systems. |
| 18:26.31 | bronaugh | tdn: try upping it. |
| 18:26.39 | tdn | abrotman, it is an nvidia quattro card. I think it is 128mb or 256 mb. |
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| 18:26.50 | bronaugh | tdn: or better yet, what is it right now? |
| 18:26.53 | tdn | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Quadro FX 570M (rev a1) |
| 18:26.55 | bronaugh | cat /proc/sys/vm/min_free_kbytes |
| 18:26.55 | abrotman | with its own memory, not using shared |
| 18:27.15 | tdn | bronaugh, 3798 |
| 18:27.25 | bronaugh | tdn: ok, that's 20m on my machine here. |
| 18:27.45 | bronaugh | 14m on my 12 gig box |
| 18:27.59 | bronaugh | 8 megs on my local machine with 4gb RAM |
| 18:27.59 | tdn | bronaugh, ok, that was from my 4 or 3 GB box. |
| 18:28.00 | bronaugh | so up it. |
| 18:28.11 | bronaugh | set it to 20M |
| 18:28.24 | tdn | bronaugh, echo 20m > /proc/sys/vm/min_free_kbytes ? |
| 18:28.30 | tdn | or 20M? |
| 18:28.33 | bronaugh | 20000 |
| 18:28.38 | tdn | bronaugh, ok. |
| 18:28.51 | tdn | bronaugh, done. |
| 18:29.04 | bronaugh | now I don't know how easy it is for you to replicate the problem, but try. |
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| 18:29.49 | tdn | bronaugh, I have absolutely no idea how to reproduce it. I have not seen a pattern in when it occurs. Other than the idea that it might be related to using NFS. It sometimes happen when I am not at the box. |
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| 18:30.06 | tdn | bronaugh, but if I wait a few days, it will probably happen. |
| 18:30.34 | bronaugh | tdn: ok. sounds like the interrupt handler for the nic may be allocating pages or something, and sometimes failing |
| 18:30.40 | tdn | bronaugh, today, I have not been doing anything that takes up lots of memory. I have been using Konsole and Kile to write on a LaTeX document. That is all. |
| 18:30.57 | bronaugh | so what you're looking for is a situation with a lot of network traffic and a lot of kernel pressure. |
| 18:31.11 | tdn | bronaugh, it could be when backups are running. |
| 18:31.40 | tdn | bronaugh, is there any cure for that? |
| 18:31.58 | bronaugh | yeah. up the number of pages the kernel can get at guaranteed. |
| 18:32.00 | bronaugh | which we just did. |
| 18:32.25 | tdn | bronaugh, ok. |
| 18:32.44 | tdn | bronaugh, I will just have to wait and see then. Thank you very much for your help. |
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| 18:33.10 | bronaugh | yup. |
| 18:33.11 | bronaugh | np |
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| 18:35.34 | sthon | Anyone know if debian etch/lenny is vulnerable to this CVE-2010-3301? |
| 18:36.49 | greycat | If the security report is newer than the most recent security.d.o kernel package, then chances are, "yes". But I haven't read it.... |
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| 18:37.22 | sthon | greycat: I think it was just discovered a few days ago... |
| 18:38.13 | bronaugh | sthon: http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/ |
| 18:38.22 | runix__ | heyas. I'm trying to setup a remote tunnel: ssh -gR 9999:127.0.0.1:1234 foo@bar.com. the tunel is said to be ready. then I "telnet bar.com 9999" and the port seems to be closd. but if I ssh to bar.com and "telnet 127.0.0.1 9999" it's open. any hints?? |
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| 18:38.28 | greycat | if upstream 2.6.26 is vulnerable, then chances are Debian's 2.6.26-*-* are also vulnerable, but only a review by a competent kernel developer can be sure |
| 18:38.38 | jordanm | sthon: http://lists.debian.org/20100917141914.186b31c6.michael.s.gilbert@gmail.com |
| 18:39.03 | jordanm | debian-security list from today. lenny and etch were not affected |
| 18:39.08 | bronaugh | niice. |
| 18:39.14 | bronaugh | sometimes it does pay to be behind the curve :P |
| 18:39.33 | greycat | watches as sthon's question is shot down. |
| 18:40.23 | sthon | jordanm: Thanks. |
| 18:41.55 | _gcr | runix__: I think ssh only binds to localhost. Try giving a bind address: ssh -gR bar.com:9999:127.0.0.1:1234 |
| 18:42.07 | _gcr | runix__: see the -R section of ssh(1) |
| 18:43.16 | greycat | gcr's correct: reverse tunnels (-R) only bind to loopback by default. If you want them to bind to all interfaces, you need to enable the gateway ports option in sshd_config |
| 18:43.28 | runix__ | _gcr: I tried it also: Remote connections from 173.45.x.x:9139 forwarded to local address 127.0.0.1:4567 |
| 18:43.50 | stew | sthon: http://security-tracker.debian.org/CVE-2010-3301 |
| 18:44.09 | runix__ | _gcr: but still, it's only accessible via localhost |
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| 18:44.33 | sthon | wth? |
| 18:44.54 | sthon | is it vulnerable or not? |
| 18:45.16 | ajcc | Hi. I'm running Debian Squeeze and it seems that Ctrl+Alt+Backspace doesn't "work" anymore in Xorg... is this supposed to be? I've configured my keyboard in xorg.conf and it seems to be right :/ |
| 18:45.36 | jordanm | ajcc: that is normal |
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| 18:46.08 | ajcc | jordanm: can I get it back? I always exit Xorg this way. |
| 18:46.46 | greycat | I believe it's controlled by the DontZap line in xorg.conf |
| 18:47.30 | sussudio | you can still get etch packages from http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/debian/dists/etch/ |
| 18:47.39 | jordanm | ajcc: any of these methods should work in squeeze: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/DontZap?action=show&redirect=DontZap |
| 18:48.34 | bronaugh | sthon: ok, I was reading about this yesterday... story is, it was fixed for a short period of time before someone reopened the hole in a slightly different way. |
| 18:48.52 | _gcr | runix__: Firewall issue perhaps? |
| 18:48.54 | bronaugh | sthon: it was right around 2.6.26 so I don't know whether the exact 2.6.26 that Deb uses is affected or not. |
| 18:49.03 | bronaugh | sthon: because of course they would have patched it to fix the hole. |
| 18:49.04 | ajcc | jordanm: yeah, that did work :) |
| 18:49.04 | stew | sthon: see the url I sent. it will tell you which debian kernels are vulnerable |
| 18:49.14 | ajcc | jordanm: thanks mate! |
| 18:49.23 | runix__ | _gcr: no, the option "GatewayPorts yes" was missing in sshd config. tnx! |
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| 18:51.07 | samad909 | Hello, I am having issues setting the maximum number of open files using /etc/security/limits.conf, it seems as if that file is ignored, I cant use ulimit -n because the programs startup automatically. |
| 18:51.39 | greycat | samad909: that file is only read by PAM, so if your daemon doesn't link against libpam.... |
| 18:52.03 | greycat | (or, it would need to inherit the limit from some process that *is* linked against PAM, typically /bin/login or sshd or something) |
| 18:52.19 | samad909 | the program is run at cron level |
| 18:52.21 | greycat | If it's a daemon, just put the ulimit commands you want in its start script. |
| 18:52.33 | samad909 | I checked /etc/pam.d/cron and the session pam_limit.so line exists |
| 18:52.35 | greycat | If it's a cron job, put it in the script that cron runs. |
| 18:52.46 | greycat | hmm, debian's cron is PAMified? interesting. |
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| 18:53.20 | _gcr | runix__: Oh! Clever. OK. |
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| 18:53.41 | jordanm | atd too aparently |
| 18:53.41 | andybiker | Hi again. |
| 18:54.06 | andybiker | How do I install an nvidia driver? |
| 18:54.19 | andybiker | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/i386/nvidia-kernel-source/download |
| 18:54.22 | samad909 | greycat: so what you are saying is, the script which runs from cron needs something which changes the limit, for example add ulimit -n xxxx at the beginning of this script so all the process that it creates run with the same limit? |
| 18:54.35 | jordanm | andybiker: what card and what version of debian? |
| 18:54.37 | samad909 | processes* |
| 18:54.39 | greycat | http://www.google.com/search?q=debian+wiki+nvidia |
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| 18:54.53 | andybiker | this isn't much help. I 5686 hardware on Lenny |
| 18:55.21 | greycat | samad909: I said that without knowing that cron in Debian is PAM-enabled |
| 18:55.27 | samad909 | I see |
| 18:55.54 | greycat | since /usr/sbin/cron is in fact linked against libpam (confirmed by ldd), that file *should* be respected, so if it's not working, there's a bug somewhere (either in PAM, cron, or your setup) |
| 18:56.07 | samad909 | this has been happening on a couple of servers I have recently setup, I just edited the limits.conf but seems like it is ignored :/ |
| 18:56.21 | greycat | did you restart cron after that? |
| 18:56.32 | samad909 | I actually rebooted the server itself |
| 18:57.11 | samad909 | I did some reading and found that debian had such a bug before but it was fixed, maybe something new broke it again? |
| 18:57.19 | andybiker | My xine is showing green purple and whit only with ghosting. Wrong graphics driver suspected |
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| 18:57.37 | jordanm | andybiker: 5686? |
| 18:57.44 | jordanm | I don't think thats an nvidia model |
| 18:58.14 | jordanm | and you might want to highlight me when aswering my questions or else I may miss it |
| 18:59.10 | jordanm | andybiker: use lscpi -nn to see what card you have |
| 18:59.37 | andybiker | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/i386/nvidia-kernel-source/download |
| 18:59.47 | andybiker | no! |
| 19:00.10 | andybiker | geforce 7100 nforce 630i |
| 19:00.39 | andybiker | using kernel drivers ohci-hcd and ehci-hcd |
| 19:01.10 | andybiker | THat must be wrong! |
| 19:01.49 | jordanm | andybiker: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 19:02.10 | andybiker | I've been there. |
| 19:02.13 | nsadmin | andybiker: hi, please find one line in all the lines "lspci -nn" shows you which is your card... show that one line here |
| 19:02.16 | andybiker | too confusing man |
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| 19:02.44 | andybiker | 00:04.0 USB Controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 7100/nForce 630i (rev a1) |
| 19:02.58 | greycat | Yes, it's too confusing. Welcome to bloody nvidia and ATI graphics configuration under Linux. |
| 19:03.01 | greycat | Have fun. |
| 19:03.03 | nsadmin | there's a piece missing that -nn shows |
| 19:03.14 | jordanm | andybiker: I can understand that. aptitude install nvidia-kernel-source module-assistant; m-a a-i nvidia-kernel-source && aptitude install nvidia-glx nvidia-xconfig && nvidia-xconfig |
| 19:03.25 | andybiker | 00:10.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation GeForce 7050/nForce 610i [10de:07e3] (rev a2) |
| 19:03.27 | abrotman | his video card is a usb controller ? |
| 19:03.31 | jordanm | greycat: that article is especially bad |
| 19:03.44 | jordanm | IMO |
| 19:03.51 | greycat | It's a wiki, so it's fixable. |
| 19:03.55 | nsadmin | judd pciid [10de:07e3] |
| 19:03.57 | judd | [10de:07e3] is 'C73 [GeForce 7050 / nForce 610i]' from 'nVidia Corporation' with kernel module 'nvidiafb' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:07e3 http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers and the out-of-tree 'nvidia' module. |
| 19:04.03 | jordanm | greycat: license is an issue |
| 19:04.14 | greycat | quite. |
| 19:04.33 | greycat | (I assume you mean nvidia's licensing of its proprietary code, not the licensing of the wiki content.) |
| 19:04.35 | andybiker | thanks jordanm, trying that now. When is debian going to work without the cd? |
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| 19:04.46 | abrotman | no, he means the wiki licensing |
| 19:04.51 | jordanm | greycat: I mean the licensing of the wiki article |
| 19:05.01 | greycat | what, we're not allowed to edit it? /me clicks |
| 19:05.13 | jordanm | andybiker: as soon as you remove the cd line from /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:05.26 | andybiker | wilco! |
| 19:05.43 | jordanm | "This wiki page was created by Philippe Cloutier to publish an update to Andrew's Debian-nVidia HOWTO. You are free to modify this page as long as you agree to let copyright of your changes to the author. " |
| 19:05.52 | abrotman | greycat: that's not the issue they're having ... something about not explicitly agreeing to a license that the words are under .. bleh bleh |
| 19:06.10 | abrotman | jordanm: it's a wiki .. remove the copyright :) |
| 19:06.19 | andybiker | building of nvidia source failed |
| 19:06.19 | jordanm | then yet a different licensing clause at the bottom |
| 19:06.25 | greycat | jordanm: I see. |
| 19:06.29 | jordanm | andybiker: pastebin the build log |
| 19:06.34 | greycat | Still, if you don't *care* about it, you could just make the edits. |
| 19:07.07 | jordanm | right, but I believe that page needs an overhaul, not just some simple edits... perhaps one day |
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| 19:09.53 | e7th04sh | Hi, what would you recommend for playing *.mid ? Default here seems to be Totem, and i have to play whole file, can't start from the middle. |
| 19:10.05 | e7th04sh | I don't need anything sophisticated, it should be simple and fast. |
| 19:10.24 | greycat | Wow, I see a geniune *bug* in a shell command on the http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers page. |
| 19:10.44 | greycat | fortunately it's in a section that nobody's likely to use, but I'll fix it. |
| 19:12.07 | andybiker | jordanm : http://pastebin.com/RusixvJ0 |
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| 19:13.05 | greycat | it doesn't say what the error is |
| 19:13.11 | greycat | is there another logfile somewhere that does? |
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| 19:13.50 | andybiker | I have the option to view log, continue regardless and stop |
| 19:14.08 | andybiker | and you have the log |
| 19:14.21 | greycat | is there an option to exit to a shell and run "ls -lart" and see what FILES are tehre? |
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| 19:15.00 | greycat | (I hate, hate, hate hand-holding pseudo-GUI programs) |
| 19:16.00 | tarzeau | i love reading greycat :) |
| 19:16.13 | jordanm | andybiker: try using m-a --text-mode a-i nvidia-kernel-source; see if it produces more output |
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| 19:16.15 | tarzeau | you got so much patience |
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| 19:20.50 | andybiker | Have a gander at this, I'll be back in 20 mins. |
| 19:20.54 | andybiker | http://pastebin.com/Mjq3kXJC |
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| 19:24.52 | eoliva | Hi, I did aptitude install dhcp3-server and it installed without problem...but my dhcp3-server script in /etc/init.d isn't there...why that? |
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| 19:26.00 | greycat | Was the package installed on this machine previously? |
| 19:26.24 | mallxs | Hi trying to use pels SNMP::Info .. but i dont know where to store the MIBs ? |
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| 19:27.09 | eoliva | greycat, nop |
| 19:27.40 | eoliva | greycat, may it be some repository issue? |
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| 19:28.12 | greycat | are you sure it's *supposed* to be there? is it shown in dpkg -L pkgname? is it in the .deb file? does the thing run standalone or from inetd? |
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| 19:33.13 | J11 | im getting errors when it wants to reinstall mysqld. when restarting the service: http://pastebin.com/8c0xdY7J |
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| 19:37.32 | jordanm | J11: I assume that the nestat returned no output? does ps show mysqld running? what "wants" to reinstall mysql-server? what version of debian? |
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| 19:44.19 | eshat | is the a way to disable the grub message "welcome to grub" ... just a waste of time |
| 19:44.37 | J11 | jordanm: yes no output, not in ps(only postgres postmaster), 'aptitude install dpkg aptitude apt' needed it, during upgrade etch to lenny |
| 19:46.00 | grobe0ba | i'm attempting to set up traffic shaping on squeeze/sid with a 2.6.32-5 kernel. i'm using examples from all over the place along with my own knowledge of tc, and the only thing i can get out of the kernel is RTNETLINK answers: No such device |
| 19:46.15 | grobe0ba | amd i likely running into a kernel lacking support for traffic shaping? |
| 19:46.36 | grobe0ba | i can `tc -s qdisc show` and get information on the root qdisc |
| 19:46.40 | grobe0ba | but i can't delete it or replace it |
| 19:47.27 | J11 | jordanm: it says 'Setting up mysql-server-5.0 (5.0.32-7etch12)' then stops, but starting says failed |
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| 19:50.56 | jordanm | J11: why ins't the lenny version of mysql being installed? |
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| 19:54.45 | J11 | jordanm: don't know, i'm following this guide(on step 4 now): http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-upgrade-a-debian-etch-system-server-and-desktop-to-debian-lenny |
| 19:56.06 | jordanm | J11: why aern't you following the official release notes? |
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| 19:59.25 | J11 | jordanm: i guess i didn't find the official notes on it, but now i do |
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| 19:59.49 | jordanm | they are quite detailed |
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| 20:00.46 | andybiker | jordanm &co, i'm back |
| 20:00.49 | andybiker | :) |
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| 20:01.03 | J11 | jordanm: i'll be upgrading with ssh would that be a problem? |
| 20:02.44 | jordanm | J11: no, is this a VPS? |
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| 20:03.33 | J11 | jordanm: it's an nslu2 device |
| 20:03.34 | jordanm | andybiker: that log does not provide any useful errors |
| 20:03.39 | jordanm | ,versions nvidia-kernel-source |
| 20:03.41 | judd | nvidia-kernel-source -- etch/non-free: 1.0.8776-4; lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5; squeeze/non-free: 195.36.24-4; sid/non-free: 195.36.31-3 |
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| 20:04.00 | jordanm | andybiker: is the bpo kernel required for hardware support? |
| 20:04.30 | andybiker | don't know, never seen a bpo kernel before in 10 years |
| 20:04.43 | jordanm | J11: is it debian or emdebian? |
| 20:04.43 | andybiker | shouldn't be |
| 20:04.58 | andybiker | debian lenny |
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| 20:05.54 | J11 | jordanm: 2.6.18-4-ixp4xx armv5tel |
| 20:06.19 | jordanm | J11: that doesn't look like debian |
| 20:06.22 | andybiker | sorryy...... |
| 20:07.13 | jordanm | andybiker: according to my logs, I am the one that told you to install bpo because of this: 13:43 < andybiker> I need the tv card modules fron 2.6.28 |
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| 20:07.31 | J11 | jordanm: it's a nas so it has an entire harddisk availble plus it was using etch sources |
| 20:07.53 | andybiker | yes, the tv card wants at least 2.6.28, when the modules were introduced for it |
| 20:08.08 | jordanm | J11: but a modified kernel, so installing the typical lenny kernel could cause problems for you |
| 20:08.49 | J11 | jordanm: won't upgrading it install the correct architecture for me? |
| 20:09.22 | jordanm | J11: yes, but I have no idea what that kernel is. it could have specific patches to support the unique hardware not found in upstream kernel |
| 20:09.42 | jordanm | I would ask the support for nslu2-linux |
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| 20:11.00 | jordanm | andybiker: give me about an hour and I will do some testing to see if I can get it to build with that kernel |
| 20:11.07 | stew | jordanm: that is a debian kernel |
| 20:11.25 | jordanm | stew: ixp4xx? |
| 20:12.07 | jordanm | ah, so it is |
| 20:12.26 | jordanm | J11: disregard what I said a min ago. also note that there is #debian-arm on oftc |
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| 20:12.29 | bolt | I run 8 debian machines and 2 windows machines (yuck) on vmware on a debian box. I'm tired of all the crap patching kernels to run the vmware modules and currently wondering about switching to Xen, as xen support seems build in to a lot of kernel images in debian = less hassle? How does performance compare these days? All google gives me is very old results. |
| 20:12.34 | stew | jordanm: its an arm kernel |
| 20:12.44 | stew | jordanm: FE http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image-2.6.32-5-ixp4xx |
| 20:12.45 | andybiker | jordanm, the reason I suspect the graphics is this: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/andrew.sharp3/xine/snapshot2.png |
| 20:13.08 | J11 | jordanm: well someone blogged about it and he said he followed instructions that looks like the regular upgrade instructions |
| 20:13.45 | jordanm | andybiker: yes, nv is rather limited |
| 20:14.08 | jordanm | stew: yes, I should have checked instead of making the assumption the kernel would be -<arch> |
| 20:14.16 | thewanderer1 | bolt: if you can afford hardware virt, go for KVM instead, which is simpler to setup and does not require any specific patches to the guest |
| 20:14.26 | thewanderer1 | (my opinion only) |
| 20:15.41 | thewanderer1 | KVM on Intel is said to achieve speeds indistinguishable from native in normal use, while I can say that I have got quite nice results on AMD, too |
| 20:15.50 | bolt | thewanderer1: the cpu supports VT (core 2 quad <somebignumber>) but i'd rather not buy something newer than that. this is for personal/hobby use, not business |
| 20:15.59 | thewanderer1 | so KVM it is |
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| 20:16.18 | bolt | checks out kvm |
| 20:16.24 | thewanderer1 | actually, you should consider migrating Debian to containers instead of full virt if you don't do anything special |
| 20:16.31 | jordanm | bolt: I don't think all the core 2 quads support VT |
| 20:16.45 | bolt | jordanm: i have that enabled in vmware already, so this one seems to |
| 20:16.50 | thewanderer1 | jordanm: <somebignumber> surely does |
| 20:18.03 | jordanm | thewanderer1: mine is an 8200, which is a bug number, but does not have the support |
| 20:18.20 | jordanm | my Q6600 at home does though |
| 20:18.42 | bolt | that's why 8200 is a bug number :) |
| 20:19.01 | jordanm | hehe |
| 20:19.04 | jordanm | s/bug/big/ |
| 20:19.05 | thewanderer1 | I run 20-30 containers on a daily basis, and if you a) don't do kernel-level stuff b) don't virtualize special devices connected to the machine c) don't need broadcast/multicast/raw socket (like DHCP server) then go for containers on Debian - zero overhead |
| 20:19.13 | J11 | jordanm: i guess its a package dpkg thinks is half-configured, maybe if i remove it it will help |
| 20:19.39 | bolt | hm.. kvm looks sweet on paper. i'll try it on this dualcore thingy i have in the corner and see how it compares :) |
| 20:19.56 | bolt | thanks |
| 20:20.03 | thewanderer1 | sure, if you need full virt, go for KVM |
| 20:20.15 | thewanderer1 | there's also this thing called Proxmox VE, it's nice |
| 20:20.18 | bolt | even a howto on migrating for vmware :D |
| 20:20.19 | jordanm | J11: if you remove it, you won't be able to proceed with the upgrade |
| 20:20.20 | Bennij | 16:16 < jordanm> bolt: I don't think all the core 2 quads support VT |
| 20:20.36 | bolt | Bennij: ? |
| 20:20.38 | Bennij | The most reliable way to tell if you have VT on an Intel processor is to flip a coin, that's right 50% of the time |
| 20:20.43 | jordanm | J11: there should have been an error that left it in a half-configured state. where you recording the upgrade with script as the release notes suggested? |
| 20:20.51 | thewanderer1 | bolt: it supports both containers (OpenVZ) and full virt (KVM) so you can have the choice at any time |
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| 20:21.31 | helo | wishes he could tunnel access to a block device over ssh |
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| 20:22.48 | Bennij | helo: nbd and a point-to-point SSH VPN? |
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| 20:25.52 | J11 | jordanm: i was using the other guide, but i guess because it says etch 'dpkg --audit' might have told me that |
| 20:29.26 | J11 | jordanm: as nothing uses it i think, Score is 119 |
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| 20:31.43 | jordanm | J11: huh? nothing uses dpkg? |
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| 20:32.07 | J11 | jordanm: i meant removing mysql-server |
| 20:32.54 | jordanm | ah, that should be fine |
| 20:33.24 | andybiker | back soon |
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| 20:33.50 | J11 | as i don't think any system tool uses a mysql database to function |
| 20:34.38 | jordanm | J11: you can do "aptitude why mysql-server-5.0" |
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| 20:35.46 | J11 | jordanm: already removed it |
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| 20:37.26 | mee | it'd be nice if why could report 'because you explicitely installed it' |
| 20:37.35 | bronaugh | yay working 15 meg DSL |
| 20:38.53 | mee | although I guess that can be assumed for non-automatic packages |
| 20:40.16 | bronaugh | seconds Bennij's suggestion |
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| 20:47.05 | jimcooncat | thewanderer1: I was looking at Proxmox, and was wondering how well it was supported. It's a full distro, correct? Does it use lenny repositories? |
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| 20:47.57 | thewanderer1 | as far as I know, it uses Debian repos (lenny? not sure. probably.) plus some repos for other custom packages, so you actually get Debian with a web GUI and a set of daemons/scripts/etc |
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| 20:49.13 | jimcooncat | are you using it yourself, or did you cobble your own setup together? |
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| 20:50.30 | thewanderer1 | I don't use Proxmox, I tend to avoid third-party stuff on my server so I just use vzctl and custom scripts for starting KVM |
| 20:50.46 | thewanderer1 | is a Debian purist whenever he can |
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| 20:52.01 | jimcooncat | thewanderer1: sorry so many questions. If I run OpenVZ, is there any difference in maintaining a debian system when kernel updates come out? |
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| 20:54.18 | thewanderer1 | jimcooncat: well, you just install the -openvz flavor instead of the regular one. if you install the proper metapackage, it'll track it for you, but I don't recommend that - between major versions, it's really needed to do regression testing before deployment. oh, and when you reboot, you notify everyone who has containers on your machine :P |
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| 20:55.42 | thewanderer1 | on Lenny this is the usual update-upgrade-reboot, just with a "tell customers to hold their breath for 5 minutes" somewhere in between :P |
| 20:57.27 | jimcooncat | thewanderer1: thanks much. I'm installing three small "servers" and want to set up two to host containers and kvm with windows, and the third as a kind of "hot standby" to migrate vm's to. |
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| 20:58.33 | thewanderer1 | what I do is "1 service = 1 container", just for security |
| 20:58.58 | thewanderer1 | besides routing / network headaches, it's generally a good idea if you can manage :P |
| 20:59.05 | IvoryZion | I want to get the latest version of MySql, but I want apt to install it so all the dependencies are taken care of. I see the latest version here ---> http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/mysql-5.1/ How do I tell apt to get that one? |
| 21:00.45 | greycat | You get a lenny backport instead of pulling directly from the pool of testing/unstable packages. |
| 21:01.21 | thewanderer1 | would set up a Squeeze container for that :) |
| 21:01.43 | IvoryZion | greycat: Do I need to add some type of backports URL to /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 21:02.21 | greycat | IvoryZion: if the bot were here we could have it give you more detailed instructions, but it's not, so... www.backports.org |
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| 21:03.03 | thewanderer1 | so where did dpkg go? |
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| 21:04.51 | IanWizard | I have been trying for days to get debian installed on my netbook. I've been using unetbootin to put the iso on a flash drive, but I hit a wall because it can't find the cdrom. I've looked on google, but I just plain need help. What can I do to get it installed? |
| 21:05.35 | IanWizard | P.S. I'm on encrypted LVM, and haven't been able to get bootstrap to work with that, despite my best attempts. |
| 21:06.26 | IanWizard | thewanderer1: I don't know quite the context of what you mean, but if you're looking for the binary then you can do: whereis <command> |
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| 21:06.47 | thewanderer1 | IanWizard: er, the bot :P |
| 21:07.34 | thewanderer1 | IanWizard: why don't you use the way described in the Debian Installation Manual? |
| 21:07.58 | thewanderer1 | actually, I've always had more luck with PXE installs than USB installs |
| 21:08.34 | IanWizard | thewanderer1: I don't know which way you are refering to, but I've tried them all. (Including from the site) |
| 21:08.49 | thewanderer1 | lenny or squeeze? |
| 21:08.57 | Bennij | Oh, does anyone here have any opinions on Mint Debian Edition? |
| 21:08.59 | IanWizard | squeeze |
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| 21:09.30 | thewanderer1 | IanWizard: are you sure you are using the right installer version with the right iso? |
| 21:09.53 | Bennij | http://www.linuxmint.com/blog/?p=1527 |
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| 21:10.51 | Bennij | The biggest problem I've noticed with it is that they disabled package signature checking, which makes me suspect the Mint folks are terribly lazy in other ways to the detriment of security/stability |
| 21:12.27 | thewanderer1 | Bennij: could you complain to them at #mint or whatever the channel is called? |
| 21:12.45 | Bennij | Well, I wanted to know what people who actually know Debian thought about the distribution :3 |
| 21:12.58 | Bennij | Not what the developers themselves think, that's hardly going to be unbiased |
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| 21:13.29 | Bennij | I figured other people here might have looked at it and found the flaws with it already so I don't have to :P |
| 21:13.52 | dondelelcaro | Bennij: people who develop and know debian pretty much know what it's flaws are, and still use it because of it, and often work to fix them |
| 21:14.09 | dondelelcaro | though I've no idea why you'd use Mint and not Debian. |
| 21:14.13 | Bennij | No no no, I mean |
| 21:14.21 | Bennij | I meant the flaws in *Mint Debian* |
| 21:14.52 | Bennij | I've been poked at by people who are like "this is cool and rolling release and omg omg look at it," and I'm pretty skeptical |
| 21:15.12 | thewanderer1 | well, this is a derivative - I have no idea about derivatives, I'm a Debian purist |
| 21:15.44 | jhutchins_lt | Bennij: You mean flaws in Linux Mint? Mint isn't a flavor of debian, it's a different distribution. |
| 21:15.53 | J11 | why does aptitude need to write extended state information after doing nothing? |
| 21:16.21 | Bennij | I understand that, but I figured people here might have a useful perspective on it |
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| 21:16.43 | Bennij | On issues like whether testing ought to be used as a rolling-release distribution base |
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| 21:17.06 | jhutchins_lt | Mint isn't even debian based, it's ubuntu based, so two levels removed. |
| 21:17.16 | Bennij | jhutchins_lt: No, there's a Debian Edition now |
| 21:17.39 | Bennij | That's based on Debian testing, and uses its repositories, and is supposed to be compatible |
| 21:17.44 | cast | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:18.06 | Bennij | I'm not asking for help, I'm- never mind. |
| 21:18.32 | kingsley | Does anyone here happen to know how to store, search and page through REALLY BIG log files without filling a hard drive or RAM? For example, is there a combination of compression and a pager that is frugal with disc space (while storing) and RAM (while searching and paging)? |
| 21:18.37 | IanWizard | i wonder if ubuntu users ever ask for help in #linux |
| 21:18.50 | J11 | isn't that like the choose of asking here or in #linux? |
| 21:19.15 | dondelelcaro | kingsley: why aren't you splitting the log files? |
| 21:19.19 | jhutchins_lt | It'd be nice if Debian could go after Mint for trademark infringement. |
| 21:19.20 | cast | kingsley: normally people grep then use a pager |
| 21:19.41 | cast | jhutchins_lt: who would that help? |
| 21:19.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins_lt, sheesh... what about being one big friendly family? |
| 21:20.00 | IanWizard | jhutchins_lt: do you not get "open" source? |
| 21:20.03 | Bennij | I was asking if anyone had opinions on another distribution that seems to make a bit of a mess of Debian, but I see you guys would rather assume I'm an idiot |
| 21:20.18 | jhutchins_lt | He was right, they have actually released something called "Mint Debian", and claim it has a "Debian Base" - so get ready for more support sessions that go in circles. |
| 21:20.37 | jhutchins_lt | IanWizard: Open Source and Trademark are not exclusive concepts. |
| 21:20.39 | dondelelcaro | Bennij: there are literally hundreds of them; almost no one in here actually uses non-Debian debian-based distributions |
| 21:20.50 | dondelelcaro | Bennij: you're probably more of an expert now than most anyone else is about Mint... |
| 21:20.52 | jhutchins_lt | They're claiming it's Debian! |
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| 21:20.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | Bennij, we understood you're not asking for help... and what we're telling you (or everyone who ever said anthing) is, that we don't use it, we don't know and we don't overly care... we don't assume you're an idiot |
| 21:21.09 | IanWizard | jhutchins_lt: its a concept, a philosophy |
| 21:21.23 | jhutchins_lt | cast: It would help people understand that Mint Debian isn't Debian. |
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| 21:21.33 | J11 | are there any ubuntu users asking here for help? |
| 21:21.42 | jhutchins_lt | J11: Regularly. |
| 21:21.44 | dondelelcaro | J11: a few dozen a day |
| 21:23.05 | kingsley | dondelelcaro: I suppose the short answer is that it hadn't occurred to me. The long answer is that the splitting process must also not hog disk or RAM. |
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| 21:23.35 | dondelelcaro | kingsley: it usually wouldn't, because you'd have individual log files. How large are we talking about here, anyway? |
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| 21:25.08 | kingsley | cast: That's interesting. Do you happen to know if people normally have grep pipe lines of context into a pager, like... grep -B 100 -A 10 "regular expression" | less ? |
| 21:25.09 | jhutchins_lt | IanWizard: Other distributions can and have gone after people for using their trademarks. |
| 21:25.43 | kingsley | dondelelcaro: Hundreds of GB. |
| 21:25.56 | jhutchins_lt | kingsley: All the time. I have to do that with my webserver because I can't get drupal to quit clogging up the syslog - grep -v drupal /var/log/syslog | less |
| 21:26.43 | cast | kingsley: ...yes, they do, also gnu grep is quite fast :) |
| 21:27.12 | kingsley | cast & jhutchins: OK, that may be workable. |
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| 21:31.06 | kingsley | Does anyone here happen to know how to tell a data compressing process to finish compressing the most recent data piped into it after a ^c signal is received by the pipe that's creating the data and compressing it? My script that creates the log file is sometimes still running when ^c is pressed, and in that circumstance, I see that the compressed log file is truncated. |
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| 21:31.33 | f^x | hey what's the name of the package that ar lives in? i can't find it with apt-get search or with google |
| 21:31.38 | f^x | *apt-cache search |
| 21:32.39 | kingsley | f^x: Try this: dpkg -S $(which ar) |
| 21:33.01 | f^x | which doesn't work because ar is not installed yet |
| 21:33.06 | f^x | but thanks :) |
| 21:33.50 | f^x | oh wait, i have another system with ar on it. perfect. |
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| 21:34.55 | f^x | just for teh record, it's in binutils |
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| 21:40.17 | ans | where did flashplugin-nonfree go in squeeze? |
| 21:40.29 | kingsley | Maybe the compressor won't truncate data if I kill the pipe's process that's creating the data. |
| 21:41.22 | p3rror | hello is there any one experienced with pppd and sagem f@st 800 |
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| 21:41.44 | p3rror | i need to connect my box via ADSL to my isp |
| 21:42.27 | p3rror | unfortunately, i get a message error telling that pppoe: Timeout waiting for PADO packets |
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| 21:44.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell f^x -about apt-file |
| 21:44.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | f^x, just for complteness... in this case, you probably would have needed to search for at least bin/ar to not be drowned in output |
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| 21:46.30 | f^x | CutMeOwnThroat: i don't think that !tell command did anything, i'm assuming some sort of bot should be reading me apt-file's description or something? |
| 21:46.33 | bronaugh | also, does anyone know what the 'idle' io priority grace period is and where it can be set if it can be? |
| 21:46.37 | f^x | in any case i can look it up nopw |
| 21:46.44 | f^x | s/p// |
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| 21:47.12 | f^x | wait, that pattern is wrong. haha. not my day today. thanks CutMeOwnThroat |
| 21:47.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | !apt-file |
| 21:47.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh |
| 21:47.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | dammit, he's still gone - I thought dondelelcaro runs it and it would be back when he's here... |
| 21:48.37 | thewanderer1 | guys, Debian has released 2.6.26 patched against Ac1dB1tCh3z, but what about 2.6.32 in Squeeze? |
| 21:48.50 | f^x | ah well. thanks for the info anyway. i need to get going |
| 21:49.15 | thewanderer1 | I can't seem to be able to root my own machine, but this is still worrying |
| 21:49.17 | bronaugh | thewanderer1: one thing I wasn't clear on is whether the acidbitchez code was the same exploit as Ben Hawkes' one |
| 21:49.28 | thewanderer1 | apparently yes |
| 21:49.37 | bronaugh | code seemed to include a bunch of crap that was -not- in Hawkes' exploit. |
| 21:49.46 | thewanderer1 | like OpenVZ? |
| 21:49.53 | bronaugh | they said they took that out. |
| 21:49.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | f^x aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search bin/ar |grep ar$ |
| 21:50.01 | thewanderer1 | yeah... fortunately |
| 21:50.05 | bronaugh | bunch of network connection crap. |
| 21:50.12 | bronaugh | I wondered if it was a remote hole by the looks of it. |
| 21:50.31 | thewanderer1 | hmm, interesting :P |
| 21:50.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | f^x, you already found it... but it's a handy tool for exactly this type of problem |
| 21:50.44 | bronaugh | thus why I'm asking if it's the same exploit. |
| 21:51.12 | f^x | yeah i'll have to remember it CutMeOwnThroat. I vaguely remember having used it in the past but i just forgot about it for a while. |
| 21:51.15 | thewanderer1 | it *seems* that it bases on the same stuff |
| 21:51.24 | bronaugh | you could be right. |
| 21:51.25 | bronaugh | I just don't know. |
| 21:51.52 | mohamed-ragab | hi all how to config bind9 in debian |
| 21:52.07 | bronaugh | http://lists.luv.asn.au/wws/arc/luv-main/2009-09/msg00171.html |
| 21:52.10 | bronaugh | ah here's answer to my question |
| 21:54.08 | bronaugh | question now is what the units are for that |
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| 21:56.43 | Tukaro | anyone have a tuto to make server VPN with OpenVPN |
| 21:56.58 | cast | tuto? |
| 21:57.04 | Tukaro | tutorial |
| 21:57.09 | cast | google for howto debian openvpn |
| 21:57.20 | bronaugh | ah. slice_idle in ms. |
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| 21:58.24 | Tukaro | yes i try it but i don"t khnow where is the problem a can't joined my server :( |
| 21:59.15 | Tukaro | cast, all work fine just i don't where is a problem |
| 21:59.26 | Bushmills | Tukaro: /join ##openvpn, then enter: !howto |
| 21:59.52 | Tukaro | Bushmills, thanks |
| 22:00.01 | Bushmills | ehm, sry. !readme i mean |
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| 22:00.54 | Bennij | Is there a more minimal maxima than the default package? |
| 22:01.44 | Bennij | I don't see a maxima-nox or anything, and the default requires everything from emacs to GTK to texlive, imagemagick, and gconf |
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| 22:02.28 | Bennij | Arch's Maxima requires just sbcl and texinfo |
| 22:02.38 | thewanderer1 | hmm, recompile from source deb? |
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| 22:02.50 | r15 | hi, is it ok to do rsync for an application which is already running? if that's fine, i will be running rsync second time when the application is stopped |
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| 22:03.01 | click170 | Hey everyone. *waves*. I've got a computer I'm trying to install Debian on and everything goes smoothly until I reboot, when grub throws error 24. I suspect its because its trying to boot from "/dev/sda1" and that I need to set it to use a label instead, but how do I do that from the Debian installer? |
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| 22:03.46 | Bennij | It suggests ffmpeg, should I file a bug or something? |
| 22:03.54 | Bennij | I get the feeling all these dependencies can't be on purpose |
| 22:04.37 | thewanderer1 | Bennij: perhaps it's a case of "users will want all that!" syndrome, or "this is too complex to modularize" among the packagers |
| 22:04.37 | Bennij | The package description is "computer algebra system -- base system", and there's a separate package for the emacs stuff, but it still pulls in emacs |
| 22:04.43 | simonrvn | thewanderer1: "r34d th3 c0d3 m0r0n!!#@#" -- to quote the exploit |
| 22:04.55 | HSorgYves | i have installed courier-imap and courier-imap-ssl; however i have not finished configuring courier-imap-ssl; how can I prevent it from starting automatically on reboot? |
| 22:05.07 | simonrvn | thewanderer1: please join #debian-offtopic |
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| 22:21.06 | sedulous | where can I find the patch for the recent Linux x86_64 IA32 compat. privilege escalation exploit? |
| 22:21.33 | PadawanLearner | sedulous: kernel.org? |
| 22:22.03 | sedulous | PadawanLearner: the stable series hasn't been updated yet. |
| 22:22.14 | sedulous | 2.6.35.4 is still vulnerable. |
| 22:22.39 | ksx4system | what is the easiest way to hibernate my laptop when I close the lid? if possible: without GNOME or KDE based utilities (i'm trying to keep my system as light as possible). |
| 22:23.07 | PadawanLearner | ksx4system: acpid is your friend |
| 22:23.17 | sedulous | PadawanLearner: where can I find it on kernel.org? |
| 22:23.51 | PadawanLearner | sedulous: on kernel.org you have the latest kernel, all patches et al |
| 22:24.01 | PadawanLearner | the debian security team |
| 22:24.07 | PadawanLearner | addresses such issues |
| 22:24.21 | PadawanLearner | usually pretty fast |
| 22:24.41 | sedulous | they surely have a patch then |
| 22:24.42 | PadawanLearner | have you tried apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 22:24.42 | ksx4system | PadawanLearner: should I do something with HAL (I've got it already installed) when I decide to use acpid? |
| 22:25.08 | sedulous | PadawanLearner: i'm not using the stock kernel and Debian stable isn't affected because the flaw has been introduced just a few days after the release of Lenny |
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| 22:25.25 | PadawanLearner | ksx4system: no clue, i used to mess with acpid when i wanted to do just that |
| 22:25.45 | PadawanLearner | but i guess that was before hal |
| 22:26.24 | PadawanLearner | sedulous: if you're not using one of debian's kernels |
| 22:26.38 | PadawanLearner | then you must do one of two things |
| 22:26.49 | PadawanLearner | start using one, or build your one... |
| 22:27.24 | sedulous | PadawanLearner: that's why I'm looking for the patch ;) |
| 22:29.25 | PadawanLearner | sedulous: in doubt grab the full source and compile it... |
| 22:29.35 | sedulous | PadawanLearner: the full source doesn't contain the fix yet |
| 22:29.55 | sedulous | at least not the vanilla stable series (2.6.25.*) |
| 22:30.12 | PadawanLearner | sedulous: are you sure? checked the changelog? |
| 22:30.20 | jordanm | why are you using a .25 instead of a debian kernel? |
| 22:30.40 | sedulous | PadawanLearner: i'm 100% sure. 2.6.25.4 is older than the exploit and it works on my system. instant root shell. |
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| 22:30.53 | sedulous | err, 2.6.35 |
| 22:30.57 | sedulous | sorry. |
| 22:31.17 | PadawanLearner | sedulous: the latest is 2.6.35.4 |
| 22:31.22 | PadawanLearner | have you tried it? |
| 22:31.30 | sedulous | yes, it was a typo. i meant 2.6.35.4. it's vulnerable. |
| 22:31.36 | jordanm | sedulous: .26 lack support for your hardware? |
| 22:32.06 | PadawanLearner | sedulous: could you point me to the issue? just for curiosity |
| 22:32.14 | sedulous | jordanm: i'm using btrfs. |
| 22:32.26 | sedulous | PadawanLearner: http://isc.incidents.org/diary.html?storyid=9565 |
| 22:32.37 | sedulous | PadawanLearner: POC exploit: http://sota.gen.nz/compat2/robert_you_suck.c |
| 22:33.18 | jordanm | sedulous: you're using btrfs in an environment where you must have this security patch before upstream releases? presumably because you have local users? |
| 22:33.32 | sedulous | jordanm: i don't have to justify myself |
| 22:34.31 | jordanm | sedulous: no, but I am going to point out what I think are bad choices anyways... |
| 22:34.37 | sedulous | god... i shouldn't have asked in here in the first place. i just thought someone might know where to find the patch by chance. |
| 22:35.03 | Gm4n | I just debootstrapped squeeze onto another hard drive, but /boot/ there is empty. What am I missing? |
| 22:35.23 | jordanm | sedulous: i like to encourage the use debian packages |
| 22:35.35 | jordanm | Gm4n: see the debootstrap section of the install guide |
| 22:35.55 | jordanm | it covers what needs to be done after debootstrap is ran to get an actual install |
| 22:36.02 | Gm4n | thanks :) |
| 22:36.33 | PadawanLearner | sedulous: the patch is a workaround |
| 22:36.55 | jordanm | misses dpkgbot |
| 22:36.57 | PadawanLearner | disable 32bit compat |
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| 22:37.15 | sedulous | PadawanLearner: which patch? i can't seem to find it. it's supposed to be âin the worksâ |
| 22:37.37 | sedulous | openSUSE is still vulernable too by the way, with all the latest updates and the distribution's kernel |
| 22:37.59 | PadawanLearner | jordanm: and that is good, i stopped using my own kernels looong time ago, better security |
| 22:38.01 | sedulous | PadawanLearner: yes, that probably has to do for now. fortunately it doesn't even require a reboot. |
| 22:38.04 | Gm4n | so I forgot to specify an arch with my debootstrap... does it default to the same as the current system? Or is there a way I can tell? |
| 22:38.11 | PadawanLearner | and no need at all |
| 22:38.19 | PadawanLearner | my hw is oversized as it is |
| 22:38.33 | PadawanLearner | sedulous: it's a workaround |
| 22:38.43 | Gm4n | actually, running file on an installed binary says x86-64, so that's amd64? |
| 22:38.56 | iceroot | Gm4n: yes |
| 22:39.08 | jordanm | Gm4n: defaults to the same as the local machine. you can tell by "file /path/to/chroot/bin/ls" |
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| 22:39.27 | Gm4n | thanks guys! :) |
| 22:39.49 | PadawanLearner | actually don't know how to do it, anyone knows how to temporarily disable 32bit compat |
| 22:39.59 | iceroot | PadawanLearner: its already patched |
| 22:40.15 | PadawanLearner | maybe flip some kernel switch? |
| 22:40.21 | PadawanLearner | iceroot: ? |
| 22:40.29 | jordanm | debian isn't exactly multi-arch to begin with |
| 22:40.38 | jordanm | unlike, say, RHEL |
| 22:40.43 | iceroot | PadawanLearner: the debian kernel is already patched to there is no problem with the 32bit compat mode |
| 22:41.03 | jordanm | iceroot: lots of scrollback to read |
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| 22:41.57 | sedulous | iceroot: the debian stable kernel? |
| 22:42.04 | iceroot | sedulous: yes |
| 22:42.12 | PadawanLearner | iceroot: do you know the DSA number for that fix? |
| 22:42.13 | sedulous | iceroot: the debian stable kernel didn't have the flaw in the first place. |
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| 22:42.24 | sedulous | because it's older than the flaw. |
| 22:42.38 | jordanm | PadawanLearner: 2110-1 |
| 22:42.41 | iceroot | sedulous: today i got a sec-mail saying the lenny kernel is fixed with the 32bit bug |
| 22:42.50 | sedulous | iceroot: then i'm misinformed, thanks. |
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| 22:43.09 | lapsusbrutus | guys, would temporarily changing /dev/mem to chmod 644 be a very bad idea? I want a wine program to monitor my linux ram (lol) |
| 22:43.22 | iceroot | [SECURITY] [DSA 2110-1] New Linux 2.6.26 packages fix several issues |
| 22:43.25 | PadawanLearner | iceroot: thank you, i was just curious |
| 22:43.26 | jordanm | iceroot: the one they are referring to, is the one that was not included but discussed in thre replies to that thread |
| 22:43.40 | jordanm | http://lists.debian.org/20100917141914.186b31c6.michael.s.gilbert@gmail.com |
| 22:43.53 | iceroot | CVE-2010-3081 |
| 22:44.06 | iceroot | Ben Hawkes discovered an issue in the 32-bit compatibility code for 64-bit systems. Local users can gain elevated privileges due to insufficient checks in compat_alloc_user_space allocations. |
| 22:44.07 | jordanm | CVE-2010-3301 |
| 22:44.21 | iceroot | For the stable distribution (lenny), this problem has been fixed in |
| 22:44.21 | iceroot | version 2.6.26-25lenny1. |
| 22:44.49 | iceroot | jordanm: hm, ok |
| 22:45.06 | telmich | iceroot: and what about testing? |
| 22:45.06 | sedulous | it seems that 2.6.36-rc4 is OK already |
| 22:45.18 | jordanm | huh? so there were two 32bit compat vulnerabilities? |
| 22:45.33 | iceroot | telmich: not mentioned |
| 22:45.39 | telmich | jordanm: one was/is rhel specific, afaics |
| 22:45.59 | jordanm | telmich: these were both listed on the debian-security list |
| 22:46.12 | telmich | sedulous: 2.6.36-rc4-00076-g9c03f16 is, yep |
| 22:46.13 | jordanm | telmich: see the link posted above |
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| 22:46.57 | telmich | tried the ABftw on ubuntu lucid, debian lenny, debian squeeze, without success |
| 22:47.08 | telmich | "robert_you_suck" does work though |
| 22:47.30 | telmich | ABftw == CVE-2010-3081, robert_you_suck == CVE-2010-3301, afaik |
| 22:47.30 | lapsusbrutus | anyone knows id chmod 644 on the /dev/mem file will crash anything? |
| 22:47.36 | sedulous | yeah, robert_you_suck still works on a fully patched, standard openSUSE too. |
| 22:47.42 | telmich | lapsusbrutus: not instantly |
| 22:48.15 | lapsusbrutus | if I change it back in a while nothing bad will happen ? :p |
| 22:48.22 | telmich | I guess the patch needs to go back into 2.6.35.y |
| 22:48.37 | telmich | lapsusbrutus: well, you should just understand what you do |
| 22:49.01 | lapsusbrutus | read accsess to anyone.. :) |
| 22:51.22 | lapsusbrutus | never done any tweaking to the /dev/mem file.. so afraid something might blow. But probably more secure running program from a virtual windows install rather than wine.. |
| 22:51.27 | disposab1e | i'm running squeeze with 2.6.32-trunk-vserver-amd64 kernel on intel T8100 (2.1GHz), but my cpufreq never goes above 1.2GHz. if i do cpufreq-info, it says that governor "performance" can choose anything between 800 and 1200MHz instead of 800-2100. how do i fix that? |
| 22:52.01 | jordanm | disposab1e: your kernel is terribly out of date |
| 22:52.04 | cast | disposab1e: just out of curiousity, did you boot up with power cable in? and still have power cable in? |
| 22:52.45 | jordanm | disposab1e: you should move to 32-5 and remove the trunk kernel |
| 22:52.59 | cast | what is truck? |
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| 22:53.24 | jordanm | cast: http://ircbots.nanonanonano.net/factoid.php?key=trunk |
| 22:53.25 | disposab1e | cast: i don't remember, i booted up about 3-4 months ago |
| 22:54.19 | jordanm | sorry, that should have been: http://ircbots.debian.net/factoid.php?key=trunk |
| 22:54.22 | cast | nice site |
| 22:54.40 | jordanm | cast: use the official debian.net one |
| 22:54.51 | cast | nods |
| 22:54.58 | jordanm | our dpkgbot is currently MIA |
| 22:56.25 | jordanm | dondelelcaro: ^ |
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| 22:57.54 | disposab1e | jordanm: if i run "apt-cache show linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-vserver-amd64", it shows that the kernel IS 2.6.32-5 |
| 22:58.47 | jordanm | ,versions linux-image-2.6-vserver-amd64 |
| 22:58.49 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'linux-image-2.6-vserver-amd64' was found. |
| 23:00.01 | dondelelcaro | jordanm: I know |
| 23:02.28 | jordanm | disposab1e: odd, but the -trunk kernels are still obsolete and have been removed from the archives |
| 23:02.41 | Gm4n | do I want to install linux-image-2.6-amd64 or linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 on my debootstrapped system? I'm thinking the metapackage |
| 23:03.18 | disposab1e | jordanm: it's just annoying. i'm compiling a kernel with some extra patches and i could use the extra speed. |
| 23:03.23 | jordanm | Gm4n: yes, the meta should pull in the other |
| 23:09.36 | Gm4n | and now I'm having trouble with getting /dev... MAKEDEV generic doesn't work (command not found), nor does mount udev /dev (must specify filesystem type) |
| 23:12.12 | newsense | anyone if theres some trick to installing xp using kvm and virt-install ? |
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| 23:14.09 | jordanm | newsense: the RHEL virtualization guide actually covers virt-install well, and much of it will apply to debian |
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| 23:14.29 | newsense | jordanm: yeah i looked at that and followed that as well |
| 23:14.40 | bolt | but th |
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| 23:15.18 | newsense | good document with lots of informatio |
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| 23:23.56 | jhutchins_lt | It's interesting that by doing seperate "Debian-based" and "Ubuntu-based" releases, Linux Mint _is_ distinguishing between the two distros. |
| 23:24.36 | bolt | not really |
| 23:24.52 | bolt | what they're doing is releasing one version every time ubuntu updates |
| 23:25.02 | bolt | and another that updates all the time with whatever debian puts in testing |
| 23:25.36 | bolt | i don't think they do that to distinguish the distro's |
| 23:25.45 | bolt | they do it because the distro's have different release schedules |
| 23:25.59 | bolt | and each type has its users |
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| 23:40.26 | jhutchins_lt | That's the point - they're different distros. |
| 23:40.46 | jhutchins_lt | Besides, squeeze/testing is supposed to be frozen now. |
| 23:43.48 | Bennij | Is Ubuntu really Debian-based in any meaningful anymore? |
| 23:43.52 | Bennij | * meaningful sense |
| 23:44.01 | dondelelcaro | Bennij: they still pull from Debian all the time, so yes |
| 23:44.05 | Bennij | I mean, years ago, you could just use Debian packages if you wanted, that's not true anymore IIRC |
| 23:44.47 | Bennij | And they stopped updating half the Debian packages and let them get stale, which reflected poorly on Debian because then they'd say OH, THAT'S BROKEN BECAUSE IT'S FROM DEBIAN |
| 23:45.16 | Bennij | When in reality, they'd just frozen it at some archaic version that Debian had long since updated past |
| 23:45.39 | Bennij | (xdiskusage and some games come immediately to mind, not sure if they ever fixed that) |
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| 23:52.18 | scifiguy | yes hello |
| 23:52.37 | scifiguy | trying to install via usb stick, but cannot get the stick to boot |
| 23:53.09 | scifiguy | on freebsd atm, so `zcat boot.img.gz` > /dev/... doesnt work |
| 23:53.31 | scifiguy | so i tried to gunzip, then used dd to write to the stick |
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| 23:53.50 | scifiguy | seems like it worked, i can mount, but my laptop wont boot it for some reason |
| 23:54.08 | scifiguy | ive booted other usb sticks, so its not the hw |
| 23:54.16 | scifiguy | any ideas? |
| 23:54.28 | cast | boot some other gnu/linux usb stick and use debootstrap to install |
| 23:54.32 | cast | you'll have to rtfm |
| 23:54.46 | cast | [unlike the last debootstrap guy] |
| 23:55.03 | scifiguy | i did |
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| 23:55.38 | cast | oh, so you're sorted then :) |
| 23:55.51 | scifiguy | no |
| 23:56.08 | cast | what's wrong? |
| 23:56.08 | scifiguy | i cannot understand why my bios is rejecting the usb |
| 23:56.15 | scifiguy | no error message |
| 23:56.23 | scifiguy | it just wont let me pick usb |
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| 23:56.47 | scifiguy | fdisk shows its a bootable fat16 |
| 23:56.53 | scifiguy | its even mounted right now |
| 23:57.08 | scifiguy | other usb sticks work |
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| 23:58.57 | ksx4system | I still can't make my laptop hibernate when I close the lid. I have no tools like kpowersave or gnome-power-manager (i'm trying too keep Debian as light as possible). and yes, I read some fucking manuals. |
| 23:59.36 | ksx4system | any tips how to make it *finally* work? |
