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| 00:02.36 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | Whats the parameter to start an expert text based installation ? |
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| 00:03.48 | nkuttler | sh4d3sl4y3r_: F1 should give you the necessary info |
| 00:04.17 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | lol. i cant f1 into what i want to know it for. i created an usb with the hd-media |
| 00:04.25 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | so thats what i want to know it for |
| 00:05.09 | nkuttler | !ig |
| 00:05.09 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.6) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
| 00:06.22 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | nkuttler: affirmative |
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| 00:13.00 | hamid_rostami | I had a problem with Nautilus, when it start after login in gnome, nautilus totally eats the process usage |
| 00:13.30 | hamid_rostami | When I change desktop background to default debian logo, it resolved ! |
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| 00:55.58 | gonzaloaf | hello, how can I set the default sound card in debian? |
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| 01:00.43 | gonzaloaf | hello? |
| 01:00.47 | gonzaloaf | anybody home? |
| 01:01.53 | PiranhaP | Do we have any APT configuration experts or embedded developers in here? I want to build a minimal root filesystem for an embedded device, but neither debootstrap nor multistrap seem to fit the bill. I'm trying to use apt directly using Dir:: parameters and the like, but I can't find a way to make debconf (dpkg-preconfigure) respect my alternate root directory. Does anybody have any advice? |
| 01:01.54 | sedulous | sssh, trying to watch TV |
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| 01:02.53 | gonzaloaf | lol |
| 01:02.59 | gonzaloaf | help me please |
| 01:03.05 | gonzaloaf | multitasking :p |
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| 01:06.55 | MontaukFisherman | gonzaloaf, did you try suggestions in troubleshooting section in http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA ? |
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| 01:08.20 | gonzaloaf | MontaukFisherman, yes but I can't find the /etc/modprobe.d/sound file in my system |
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| 01:17.24 | sedulous | gonzaloaf: one way is to use /etc/asound.rc or ~/.asoundrc |
| 01:17.36 | sedulous | with the documentation linked by MontaukFisherman |
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| 01:21.07 | gonzaloaf | sedulous, do you know how can I find out what alias does debian uses for the recognized sound cards? I mean values like snd-trident, snd-usb-audio, etc. |
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| 01:22.23 | MontaukFisherman | gonzaloaf, u should be able to create sound file and see if that does it. Have a look here : http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/wiki/Sound_in_Debian_GNU/Linux if you haven't already. |
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| 01:27.17 | gonzaloaf | MontaukFisherman, some of the information in that wiki is out of date, but my question is: where can I see the sound cards name's of my system? |
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| 01:32.02 | LtL | gonzaloaf: in a terminal use 'lspci -v' no quotes. that should tell you something. |
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| 01:39.57 | MontaukFisherman | gonzaloaf, yes and also... try to match what you get with 'cat /proc/asound/cards' with modules in sound section here : http://wiki.debian.org/ModulesAll |
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| 01:46.01 | chilli0 | Hello , I need some help. I tried to install the transsmission web interface on a headless debian server a while back. And I couldn't get it working. So I have heaps of things installed and not sure what is what. Could anyone help me install the webinterface please? |
| 01:49.40 | dserban | chilli0: I suggest looking at documentation for aptitude. It's really straight forward imho. |
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| 01:50.03 | chilli0 | dserban, I did have a look at heaps of things , but It was weird. |
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| 01:51.09 | dserban | aptitude install packagename, then look at /usr/share/doc/packagename for documentation on setup if any extra setup is required. |
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| 01:51.27 | chilli0 | dserban, I'm not stupid , I have installed it all. But it's not working. |
| 01:51.54 | chilli0 | The daemon is started , but the webinterface isn't running. |
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| 01:52.28 | dserban | chilli0: then... start it? |
| 01:52.37 | chilli0 | Derp? It is started it. |
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| 01:54.14 | cmyers | does the default debian ssh config prevent remote ssh forwards? I connect to my server using `ssh -R :11111:localhost:22 myhost.com` and I ssh in successfully, but `netstat -l` shows it is only listening on localhost for some reason? |
| 01:54.40 | dserban | so the web interface runs through apache/httpd or does it provide its own server? |
| 01:54.51 | chilli0 | Own server. |
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| 01:56.24 | chilli0 | I got some of it fixed , now It's not letting me on the site. |
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| 01:59.04 | chilli0 | http://pastebin.com/u3Ef0sMY |
| 01:59.29 | EverettZ | good evening, using lenny: iptables -save is not working: null argument |
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| 02:00.29 | LtL | chilli0: bind-address looks promising |
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| 02:01.46 | dserban | chilli0: I suggest you ask in #transmission |
| 02:01.49 | dserban | ? |
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| 02:02.11 | chilli0 | I'm tring |
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| 02:02.25 | MTecknology | So is lenny on its way out the door? |
| 02:02.49 | MTecknology | then squeeze will become the new stable? |
| 02:05.36 | dserban | MTecknology: yes |
| 02:06.10 | LtL | EverettZ: its iptables-save |
| 02:06.12 | MTecknology | dserban: with gearing up for the new version- is it probably pretty safe to start off with squeeze? |
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| 02:07.55 | MTecknology | 'for a laptop' |
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| 02:08.00 | dserban | MTecknology: yes and no, stability is a concern, in fact even lenny has a few bugs... I guess the answer is: It depends on what you plan on using your computer for. |
| 02:08.38 | MTecknology | only system I have for day to day use - but a few bugs here and there matter nothing to me |
| 02:08.59 | MTecknology | I would LOVE to have some nice hardware support but I imagine that's not coming for a long while.. |
| 02:09.19 | dserban | MTecknology: if you don't mind the possible hassle that some bugs may introduce, then I'd use squeeze, if you just want it to work(tm) go with lenny. Though hardware compatibility may be an issue if using lenny... |
| 02:09.42 | MTecknology | my laptop is pretty much still shiny new |
| 02:09.51 | MTecknology | it's <2mo since i bought it.. |
| 02:10.51 | dserban | Your call really, squeeze is close, but probably not as close as one would hope. |
| 02:11.02 | MTecknology | I'll try it out |
| 02:11.12 | MTecknology | I'm running Ubuntu 10.10 on here right now. |
| 02:11.21 | dserban | I'm finding that I will have to go with squeeze sooner than later, as my deployed application servers are hindered by quite a few lenny bugs. |
| 02:13.44 | MTecknology | can I not download a qsqueeze iso? |
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| 02:14.07 | dserban | yep, you can grab a netinstall iso or whatever you want. |
| 02:14.27 | MTecknology | there... I wasn't finding it.. it's hard to see when it's right in your face |
| 02:15.18 | dserban | Is there a recent document explaining all the changes to the kernel recently regarding IO and other performance inhibiting changes? Google and the wiki feel quite barren. |
| 02:15.25 | MTecknology | Is this the wrong place? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 02:16.54 | dserban | MTecknology: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 02:17.05 | dserban | I'd try that one. |
| 02:17.14 | MTecknology | thanks :D |
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| 02:19.38 | MTecknology | and downloaded :) |
| 02:19.51 | MTecknology | now to find time to install it |
| 02:20.48 | MTecknology | dserban: off hand - do you know if I could use ecryptfs as it is now or if I'll need to do any special hacking? |
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| 02:23.11 | gonzaloaf | hello, I'm still having problems setting my default sound card, my computer has 2 sound cards, the mobo soundcard and a creative audigy. The output of /proc/asound/cards is http://pastebin.ca/1944682, I have tried creating the file /etc/modprobe.d/sound with the lines http://pastebin.ca/1944684 but I had no success, the content of my file /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf is http://pastebin.ca/1944685, any clue? |
| 02:24.55 | dserban | MTecknology: I'm not sure, sorry. |
| 02:25.10 | MTecknology | dserban: alrighty, I'll find out tonight :) |
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| 02:29.38 | jof | mp |
| 02:31.49 | gonzaloaf | can somebody help me please? |
| 02:32.53 | qq- | gonzaloaf, use lenny ? |
| 02:33.24 | gonzaloaf | qq-, squeeze |
| 02:34.28 | qq- | try to disable in BIOS , the card you don't want to use |
| 02:34.33 | MrFrood | gonzaloaf: is one of your cards built into the motherboard? |
| 02:35.07 | MrFrood | what qq- said |
| 02:36.08 | gonzaloaf | MrFrood, qq- : But I do want to use both sound cards |
| 02:37.04 | gonzaloaf | What I need first is to identify the aliases that debian use for my sound cards, so you know where can I find this information? |
| 02:37.41 | qq- | lspci |
| 02:37.59 | qq- | hwinfo |
| 02:39.10 | qq- | ls /proc/asound/card* |
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| 02:41.40 | qq- | gonzaloaf, do as i said , or no sound at all .. |
| 02:43.03 | gonzaloaf | qq-, It worked well in my old pc and older debian versions, but now that I have bought another box I'm having this problem |
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| 02:44.17 | gonzaloaf | I need to know the snd-xxxxxxx names that debian use for my sound cards, in order to try to set the index order in the /etc/modprobe.d/sound file |
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| 02:47.46 | qq- | gonzaloaf, lspci -nn | grep Aud. |
| 02:48.41 | qq- | give us something as [8086:27d8] for both sound cards |
| 02:49.01 | gonzaloaf | qq-, 04:07.1 Input device controller [0980]: Creative Labs SB Audigy Game Port [1102:7003] (rev 04) |
| 02:49.15 | qq- | !pciid 1102:7003 |
| 02:49.21 | qq- | , pciid 1102:7003 |
| 02:49.23 | judd | [1102:7003] is 'SB Audigy Game Port' from 'Creative Labs' with kernel module 'emu10k1-gp' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1102:7003 |
| 02:49.32 | gonzaloaf | qq-, Iḿ sorry, this is the line: 04:07.0 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: Creative Labs SB Audigy [1102:0004] (rev 04) |
| 02:50.02 | qq- | , pciid 1102:0004 |
| 02:50.03 | judd | [1102:0004] is 'SB Audigy' from 'Creative Labs' with kernel module 'snd-emu10k1' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1102:0004 http://wiki.debian.org/snd-emu10k1 and the out-of-tree 'snd-emu10k1' module. |
| 02:50.55 | gonzaloaf | yeah!, so snd-emu10k1 is the sound card name for the audigy, now I need the mobo sound card |
| 02:51.23 | gonzaloaf | I think is that one: 00:14.2 Audio device [0403]: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) [1002:4383] |
| 02:51.32 | qq- | , pciid 1002:4383 |
| 02:51.32 | judd | [1002:4383] is 'SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)' from 'ATI Technologies Inc' with kernel modules 'ati-agp', 'snd-hda-intel' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:4383 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
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| 02:54.42 | gonzaloaf | let me try, I have to reboot, brb |
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| 03:01.21 | gonzaloaf | success!!! |
| 03:01.26 | gonzaloaf | Thanks qq- |
| 03:01.27 | simonrvn | !!! |
| 03:01.28 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 03:01.42 | qq- | np |
| 03:02.19 | qq- | gonzaloaf, and both cards are running ? |
| 03:04.16 | gonzaloaf | qq-, I suppose that yes, but let me try |
| 03:04.50 | qq- | sure , i'll let you |
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| 03:27.20 | gonzaloaf | qq-, yes, both are working |
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| 03:29.03 | qq- | gonzaloaf, cool |
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| 03:39.02 | ngineer | i lost the tab complete feature on my shell. is there a name for this feature, or where might i find more info / answers |
| 03:39.27 | hell_razer | i ahve tried to setup 5.0.6 ti virtual box, and that isntalled grub 1, but when i setup it on my laptop its has grub2 |
| 03:39.44 | hell_razer | which version of debian has only grub 1? |
| 03:40.07 | sedulous | dpkg: is it really you or are you an impostor? |
| 03:40.09 | dpkg | sedulous: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 03:41.12 | rww | ngineer: bash-completion |
| 03:41.25 | rww | (assuming you're using bash, of course) |
| 03:41.30 | ngineer | yup |
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| 03:43.47 | MontaukFisherman | whois MontaukFisherman |
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| 03:44.46 | qq- | !sunday |
| 03:44.47 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
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| 03:44.57 | qq- | MontaukFisherman, ^^ |
| 03:45.16 | rww | hehe |
| 03:45.17 | MontaukFisherman | :-) |
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| 03:51.00 | qq- | jpinx-eeepc, wb |
| 03:51.23 | jpinx-eeepc | swaps devices |
| 03:51.54 | qq- | and country , isn't it ? |
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| 03:58.14 | Devastator | !pciid 6547:0232 |
| 03:58.32 | Devastator | , pciid 6547:0232 |
| 03:58.34 | judd | [6547:0232] is 'Unknown device' from 'Unknown vendor' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=6547:0232 |
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| 04:04.09 | kurtis | Hey guys, is there a way to have cleaner looking fonts in programs like Epiphany. For some reason, my fonts tend to be small and ugly. I'm not really sure where that stuff is configured since the rest of my applications look fine. |
| 04:05.44 | qq- | Devastator, this one ? http://avr.auctionant.de/ark3116_linux_driver/ |
| 04:06.52 | qq- | kurtis, click 2-3 times on View> Larger Text |
| 04:07.47 | qq- | kurtis, known issues , bugs are pending |
| 04:07.53 | kurtis | qq-: Thanks :) I was actually hoping there was some type of a font issue going on that I can fix as these sites don't look like this in Windows. Even when using the same browsers (like Chrome) |
| 04:08.02 | kurtis | qq-: ahh okay. Good to know that I'm not alone |
| 04:08.19 | qq- | kurtis, we are a community ;) |
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| 04:11.25 | roue | hola |
| 04:11.33 | roue | anyone know which version of mysql was packaged with etch? |
| 04:11.55 | kurtis | hmm, there's a bot here named judd that does that stuff |
| 04:12.03 | kurtis | someone told me to learn how to use it yesterday :) |
| 04:12.07 | qq- | !etch |
| 04:12.07 | dpkg | Etch is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. Etch users should upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Removed from the mirrors (2010-06-20); ask me about <etch sources.list>. For old Etch ISOs, ask me about <etch iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100121 |
| 04:12.15 | kurtis | judd: mysql |
| 04:13.34 | roue | I'm helping a friend whose home server was an etch box. It got rooted and she's trying to recover the mysql database, but now that's it's offline is having a hard time telling me details about the install. |
| 04:14.16 | kurtis | Were you able to recover the DB? |
| 04:14.22 | roue | she tried dumping the /var/lib/mysql/db_name into lenny, but that's not flying. I know what she should do, but if I can install the right older version of mysql I can do the mysqldump and import for her. |
| 04:14.26 | qq- | , versions mysql-server-5.0 |
| 04:14.28 | judd | Package mysql-server-5.0 on i386 -- etch: 5.0.32-7etch12; etch-security: 5.0.32-7etch12; etch-backports: 5.0.51a-24+lenny2~bpo40+1; lenny: 5.0.51a-24+lenny4; lenny-security: 5.0.51a-24+lenny4 |
| 04:14.39 | roue | thanks qq- |
| 04:14.43 | kurtis | qq-: ahh that's how you use it :) |
| 04:14.44 | qq- | np |
| 04:14.57 | kurtis | qq-: I tried asking it for help but it didn't give me much |
| 04:15.41 | qq- | , versions mysql-server-5.1 |
| 04:15.43 | judd | Package mysql-server-5.1 on i386 -- lenny-backports: 5.1.49-1~bpo50+1; sid: 5.1.49-1; squeeze: 5.1.49-1; experimental: 5.1.50-1 |
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| 04:24.05 | marshallmc | how do i install java jdk 1.6 on lenny? |
| 04:25.04 | marshallmc | i see it sun-java6-jdk [non-free] in the package list |
| 04:25.23 | marshallmc | maybe my source doesn't have it... |
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| 04:30.18 | gnarface | *sigh* 64-bit root exploit? 1) debian is affected? 2) is it patched already? |
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| 04:30.45 | gnarface | http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=10/09/20/0217204 why does the C file they link to here look like obfuscated code? |
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| 04:32.32 | dondelelcaro | gnarface: http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2010-3081 |
| 04:34.20 | gnarface | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 04:34.47 | marshallmc | anyone have experience with opennms? |
| 04:35.31 | marshallmc | can't seem to install sun-java6-jdk and am wondering if it could work with openjdk-6-jdk |
| 04:36.10 | qq- | , versions sun-java6-jdk |
| 04:36.11 | judd | Package sun-java6-jdk on i386 -- etch-backports/non-free: 6-07-3~bpo40+1; lenny/non-free: 6-20-0lenny1; sid/non-free: 6.21-1; squeeze/non-free: 6.21-1 |
| 04:36.51 | qq- | marshallmc, runned aptitude update ? |
| 04:37.17 | marshallmc | lol |
| 04:37.19 | marshallmc | ty |
| 04:37.22 | marshallmc | lol |
| 04:38.14 | marshallmc | the simplest things are often overlooked |
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| 04:50.04 | jpinx-eeepc | qq-: I was swapping over so that the connection would not break while I noodled for breakfast ;) |
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| 04:52.51 | jpinx-eeepc | points qq- @ #debian-offtopic for more... |
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| 04:54.42 | pzn | how can I tell apt-get to use proxy for every source list, but not use proxy for just one specific source list? |
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| 04:57.02 | jpinx-eeepc | !apt-proxy |
| 04:57.02 | dpkg | apt-proxy is a caching proxy for <apt>. See http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/237 for more information. http://apt-proxy.sf.net/ Removed from Debian post-Lenny to resolve bug #576821. For alternatives, ask me about <apt-cacher>, <apt-cacher-ng>, <squid deb caching> or see the approx package. |
| 04:57.14 | jpinx-eeepc | pzn: ^^ does this help ? |
| 04:57.40 | pzn | jpinx-eeepc, no... unfortunately that does not helped |
| 05:00.37 | jpinx-eeepc | Hmmm not sure tehn pzn - maybe man aptitude and look for options about different source.list files |
| 05:03.20 | pzn | jpinx-eeepc, ok, reading "man apt-get" and "man aptitude" |
| 05:03.41 | jpinx-eeepc | pzn: aptitude has more options I believe |
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| 05:05.58 | andrew1618 | how do I use dpkg to pull down all the dependancies when I try to install a package? |
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| 05:06.27 | Dewi | andrew1618: that's apt's job, not dpkg's |
| 05:06.44 | Dewi | andrew1618: oh you mean one not from a repo? dunno |
| 05:07.04 | Dewi | I usually just do it and let aptitude fix it with 'sudo aptitude install' |
| 05:07.34 | qq- | sudo not in debian by default |
| 05:07.39 | pzn | andrew1618, dpkg is not a "package downloader"... it will not do it |
| 05:08.09 | andrew1618 | ok but I have a .deb package right |
| 05:08.21 | andrew1618 | and to install it I need the dependancies |
| 05:08.35 | qq- | andrew1618, which one ? |
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| 05:08.49 | andrew1618 | its for a vodafone mobile broadband dongle |
| 05:08.51 | Dewi | andrew1618: sudo dpkg -i <name> ; sudo aptitude install |
| 05:08.59 | Dewi | andrew1618: yes the first command will fail, but second will fix it up |
| 05:09.37 | Dewi | I feel a little bad for telling you to break your package system; but it always works for me.... |
| 05:09.44 | andrew1618 | The following actions will resolve these dependencies: |
| 05:09.45 | andrew1618 | Remove the following packages: |
| 05:09.45 | andrew1618 | vodafone-mobile-connect |
| 05:09.58 | andrew1618 | then I select no and it says no more solutions available |
| 05:10.29 | Dewi | andrew1618: oh, that means the deps aren't available from yuor configured sources |
| 05:10.38 | Dewi | andrew1618: what dep can't it satisfy? |
| 05:11.24 | andrew1618 | http://pastebin.com/DpJYzc8Q |
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| 05:11.56 | andrew1618 | I think weavedial is the issue |
| 05:12.32 | Dewi | andrew1618: what version of debian is this? |
| 05:12.39 | andrew1618 | whatever 5 is |
| 05:13.06 | Dewi | andrew1618: can you paste your /etc/apt/sourceslist ? |
| 05:13.10 | Dewi | oops |
| 05:13.13 | Dewi | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:13.19 | qq- | , versions wvdial |
| 05:13.20 | judd | Package wvdial on i386 -- etch: 1.56-1.2; lenny: 1.60.1+nmu2; sid: 1.60.4; squeeze: 1.60.4 |
| 05:13.55 | Dewi | qq-: all those packages look available to me |
| 05:15.06 | Dewi | oh not usb-modeswitch |
| 05:15.41 | qq- | here too , but depends which vodafone-mobile-connect he used they are ~ 7 from 1.99.17-8_all.deb to t_2.25.01-1_all.deb |
| 05:16.10 | qq- | , versions usb-modeswitch |
| 05:16.10 | judd | Package usb-modeswitch on i386 -- sid: 1.1.4-1; squeeze: 1.1.4-1 |
| 05:16.10 | andrew1618 | dewi: yah |
| 05:16.23 | Dewi | andrew1618: you can backport usb-modeswitch |
| 05:16.31 | Dewi | andrew1618: not sure why it says the rest are unavailable tho? |
| 05:16.47 | qq- | Dewi, https://forge.betavine.net/frs/?group_id=12 |
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| 05:17.13 | qq- | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:17.28 | andrew1618 | here we go http://pastebin.com/k9sbPpPB |
| 05:19.18 | andrew1618 | qq: http://www.betavine.net/bvportal/resources/datacards |
| 05:19.59 | qq- | ? |
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| 05:20.25 | Dewi | how do I tell if a package is from main, contrib, or nonfree? |
| 05:20.35 | Dewi | preferably on packages.debian.org |
| 05:20.52 | qq- | andrew1618, what ? |
| 05:21.01 | Dewi | andrew1618: does 'aptitude update' finish successfully? |
| 05:21.18 | qq- | andrew1618, be more specific please |
| 05:21.45 | andrew1618 | ZTE K3571Z |
| 05:22.02 | qq- | ZTE K3571Z > what's that ? |
| 05:22.23 | Dewi | andrew1618: we want to know the full name including version number of the .deb you are trying to install |
| 05:22.31 | andrew1618 | Dewi |
| 05:22.48 | Dewi | well qq- wants to know. I want to know why you can't install python packages :/ |
| 05:23.17 | Dewi | andrew1618: can you paste output of apt-cache policy python-tz ? |
| 05:23.27 | Dewi | 9pasteBIN) |
| 05:23.30 | Dewi | (pasteBIN) |
| 05:23.43 | andrew1618 | I've got to head to work now sorry :( |
| 05:23.48 | Parsifal | Did someone say vodafone-mobile-connect? |
| 05:23.53 | andrew1618 | wont have mobile broadband for this shift it seems |
| 05:23.57 | andrew1618 | parsifal: yes |
| 05:24.01 | Parsifal | You shouldn't need that to connect to Vodafone mobile broadband |
| 05:24.03 | Parsifal | I just use wvdial |
| 05:24.37 | andrew1618 | how do I know if linux supports the ZTE k3571Z usb card? |
| 05:25.18 | Dewi | andrew1618: compare lspci and lsmod |
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| 05:25.59 | Dewi | andrew1618: and if no driver module has loaded automatically, you might be able to insmod one |
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| 05:26.49 | Dewi | andrew1618: you might need to find out what hardware is inside the thing |
| 05:27.19 | Dewi | andrew1618: a lot of linux drivers are written for generic chipsets inside rather than consumer devices |
| 05:27.54 | andrew1618 | will I need a driver or something? |
| 05:28.06 | qq- | andrew1618, 07:24<Parsifal> I just use wvdial |
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| 05:28.22 | andrew1618 | so I dont need a driver for wvidial? |
| 05:28.35 | qq- | no |
| 05:28.39 | Parsifal | wvdial is a userspace program, you also need a driver for whatever card you're using |
| 05:28.39 | andrew1618 | excellent |
| 05:28.51 | andrew1618 | hmm so I do need a driver |
| 05:28.58 | qq- | lsusb |
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| 05:29.34 | Parsifal | My card (Huawei K3765) uses the option driver, that might also support yours but I have no idea |
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| 05:31.29 | andrew1618 | here's lsusb output |
| 05:31.30 | andrew1618 | Bus 004 Device 003: ID 19d2:1009 ONDA Communication S.p.A. |
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| 05:32.13 | Parsifal | andrew1618: Checking the source code of the option driver in 2.6.32.21 now, yours isn't supported in that particular driver |
| 05:32.20 | Parsifal | But it might be in a later kernel version or a different driver |
| 05:32.54 | andrew1618 | shit a tit |
| 05:33.34 | eft | how do I open a port on my server? |
| 05:34.00 | Dewi | eft: depends what firewall you are using |
| 05:34.12 | andrew1618 | thanks alot for the help people :) I may see you at work ;) |
| 05:34.24 | eft | don't think I have one on a fresh Lenny install |
| 05:34.42 | EmleyMoor | eft: What do you want to open a port to do? |
| 05:34.45 | Dewi | eft: then all your ports are "open" |
| 05:35.13 | Dewi | eft: (but actually "closed" when they are not listening to anything) |
| 05:35.18 | eft | EmleyMoor: I want to open 9000 for xdebug |
| 05:35.20 | Parsifal | :( He left. I was just reading the Linux kernel documentation for usb-serial. |
| 05:35.23 | skrzyp | re |
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| 05:35.30 | Dewi | eft: should already work when you run xdebug |
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| 05:36.10 | eft | Dewi: so when I run nmap and don't see I shouldn't sweat it? |
| 05:37.07 | Dewi | eft: do you see the rest of the system? |
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| 05:38.10 | eft | Dewi: you mean http, smtp etc? |
| 05:38.55 | Dewi | eft: yeah |
| 05:39.38 | eft | yup I see them |
| 05:40.17 | Dewi | eft: http://www.xdebug.org/docs/remote |
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| 05:40.42 | Dewi | eft: you need to set "xdebug.remote_enable" or whatever |
| 05:41.11 | eft | Dewi: what's the emoticon for embarrassed? |
| 05:41.16 | Dewi | shouldn't really be any outside complications unless you installed any firewalls |
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| 05:41.39 | Dewi | eft: :P |
| 05:41.42 | Dewi | maybe? :P |
| 05:41.49 | eft | I just initiated another remote session and this time it worked :) |
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| 05:42.34 | Dewi | eft: a lot of things in debian won't open a port just because you installed a package, you usually have to edit a config or start a daemon |
| 05:42.50 | eft | Dewi: looks like I'm in business - sorry for the red herring |
| 05:44.00 | Dewi | eft: np |
| 05:44.04 | eft | I didn't change anything - perhaps a combination of opening that port on my client firewall and fixing a dynamic IP for the remote_host on the server side |
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| 05:46.19 | eft | Dewi: thanks again for your support - greatly appreciated |
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| 06:36.40 | terron | How can I tell if my kernel is one of the versions affected? |
| 06:36.52 | dondelelcaro | terron: http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2010-3081 |
| 06:37.05 | dondelelcaro | terron: the combination of uname -a and dpkg -l output should clue you in |
| 06:37.15 | terron | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 06:37.27 | flaarg | when is squeeze getting 2.6.32-23? |
| 06:38.45 | dondelelcaro | flaarg: once it goes through; you can always install it from unstable |
| 06:39.54 | flaarg | http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2010-3301 |
| 06:39.55 | dondelelcaro | (it's possible that there will be an upload to testing security made too, but iirc, it was uploaded with urgency high, so it should be at most two days |
| 06:40.21 | flaarg | squeeze kerenl also vuln here, just tested this one after checking source for the exploit, it works |
| 06:40.40 | dondelelcaro | flaarg: yes... that's what the security tracker says too |
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| 06:41.14 | dondelelcaro | you can grab that specific kernel package from unstable and install it directly if you don't want to wait |
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| 06:49.40 | hid3 | Morning everyone. I have a 4 CPU SMP system and run two CPU-intensive processes. However, both of them (probably accidentally) use the same CPU, so it's loaded 100% while other 3 are 0% used. Is there any way to 'jump' one task to another CPU? (Manually, automatically, etc?) |
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| 06:52.05 | sweetpi | hid3: taskset |
| 06:52.24 | hid3 | thanks sweetpi! |
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| 06:59.15 | fishcooker | im on lxde... how to change proxy setting |
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| 07:01.50 | dbb | anyone know why my port 111 might show up as open in nmap 5? |
| 07:02.10 | dbb | I dont know of anything I did specifically |
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| 07:05.46 | sweetpi | dbb: its portmap. installed by default |
| 07:06.46 | sweetpi | .. or maybe from nfs.. cant remember |
| 07:08.11 | sweetpi | nfs-common depends on portmap |
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| 07:10.14 | Kasreyn | anyone know where one can access previous versions in squeeze? packages.debian.org doesn't list them |
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| 07:15.53 | dondelelcaro | Kasreyn: snapshot.debian.org |
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| 07:32.33 | Kasreyn | dondelelcaro: that rocks. thanks :) |
| 07:34.04 | dondelelcaro | np |
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| 07:47.46 | zomgbie | if a given users shell is set to /bin/false will he/she still be able to manipulate files on the fs when bound to a chrooted ftp login only? |
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| 07:51.22 | peterrooney | zomgbie: there's a reasonable chance they won't be able to log in at all. |
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| 07:53.31 | zomgbie | peterrooney: ok i see thanks. i don't know how to go about confining users to their home directory while at the same time allowing them to change and add some files in one big shared apache directory. |
| 07:54.00 | zomgbie | which i originally would have liked to symlink but then into the problem with the file/owner permissions |
| 07:54.15 | zomgbie | a cron'd rsync script very crazy? |
| 07:54.27 | peterrooney | do you trust them? you could add them to the www-data group, maybe |
| 07:55.11 | zomgbie | peterrooney: that is the point, i don't trust them enough for that plus it would be only feasible with the mount --bind command as ln -s doesn't work out of the chroot |
| 07:56.49 | sweetpi | symlink to a www directory in their home instead |
| 07:57.10 | zomgbie | i did that, unfortunately it doesn't work when chrooted |
| 07:57.13 | zomgbie | :( |
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| 07:58.26 | zomgbie | plus the thing is i don't want to add the to the www-data group so even when i only chmod 777 the linked directory if one user adds a new file it would be his right? |
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| 07:59.05 | sweetpi | i mean something like "ln -s /home/user1/www /var/www/users/user1" |
| 07:59.24 | sweetpi | oh you want multiple users to be able to modify files in the same directory? |
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| 07:59.42 | zomgbie | sweetpi: right that and i want them to be chrooted :) |
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| 08:00.42 | zomgbie | i thought about a little rsync cron call every minute to check if something has changed in one users personal copy of that directory and let rsync handle it - very stupid? |
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| 08:01.23 | zomgbie | so in fact www-data is still the owner of the www directory |
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| 08:01.39 | zomgbie | might be hard to maintain after having a lot users though |
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| 08:03.43 | Dewi | zomgbie: if you put everyone in the same chroot it's not too bad |
| 08:04.02 | Dewi | zomgbie: give them a common group so they can all access the shared area |
| 08:04.53 | Dewi | but everyone in separate chroots is awful (and probably overkill, if you actually want them interacting) |
| 08:05.48 | sweetpi | zomgbie: you should be able to force your ftp server to create files with a specific group. I have no idea how though |
| 08:07.07 | Dewi | sweetpi / zomgbie: set umask, probably |
| 08:08.08 | Dewi | if a dir has g+s, and a user with a permissive umask like 0002 writes a file, it will inherit the group of the parent dir |
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| 08:09.32 | Dewi | so once you set g+s on all the dirs, it maintains itself by default as long as you can make sure everybody defaults to a umask like 0002 instead of something like 0022 (the default) |
| 08:10.55 | Dewi | zomgbie: I wouldn't rely on the shell in /etc/passwd having any effect on daemons other than login ones (like sshd) |
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| 08:15.13 | sts | hello folks. how can i tell git-buildpackage to not sign the files? |
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| 08:17.19 | zomgbie | Dewi, sweetpi: thanks I think I'll go with my rsync approach, hope it won't break my neck later on - thanks a lot for the umask refresher/reminder! |
| 08:18.52 | Dewi | zomgbie: I wonder what would happen if you just duplicated dirs and hard links, a la 'cp -rl' |
| 08:19.32 | zomgbie | Dewi: that is right, but what if another user changes something? isn't rsync exactly the right tool for those kind of things? |
| 08:19.38 | Dewi | zomgbie: but I can't think how you would easily deal with new files/dirs appearing and being mirrored on the others |
| 08:20.03 | zomgbie | right.. anyway it seems there is no easy & nice to look at solution for my problem |
| 08:20.22 | Dewi | zomgbie: yeah, it's just a shame you're going to be storing N copies of the data and getting the possibility of simultaneous write conflicts |
| 08:21.03 | squisher | Hi folks, anyone know if there is a kernel update for squeeze which fixes CVE-2010-3081 on the way? |
| 08:21.04 | Dewi | zomgbie: rsync can respect and preserve hard link dupes within a set, but between source and destination? probably not |
| 08:21.11 | zomgbie | yeah could possibly be awful but so could be the rsync approach when cron'd right? (or if i write to the dir directly in between?) |
| 08:21.32 | sweetpi | sticky on group and umask sounds the best, I forgot about that |
| 08:21.43 | jpinx-eeepc | what's the way to get rid of a hung application - kill -p psnumber is not doing it |
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| 08:21.58 | Dewi | jpinx-eeepc: kill -9 is stronger |
| 08:22.04 | Dewi | (the strongest, actually) |
| 08:22.31 | jpinx-eeepc | Dewi: thanks - while I was typing the question it dies :) I just hadn't waited long enough ;) |
| 08:22.56 | Dewi | jpinx-eeepc: yeah the lesser signals can be caught and the victim can attempt to shut down nicely |
| 08:23.30 | Dewi | (or just do nothing until you get meaner) |
| 08:23.33 | jpinx-eeepc | Dewi: better is shuts down nicely so it will re-start without issues |
| 08:24.41 | zomgbie | the thing is that i can't believe that this problem is very special, it should be relatively easy and i suspect i am doing something overly complicated - the problem is the security consideration because otherwise i just could add the user to the www-data group and simply forget about it |
| 08:25.06 | Dewi | jpinx-eeepc: debian debian for init.d script is to TERM, wait 30 seconds, then move up to KILL |
| 08:25.13 | Dewi | jpinx-eeepc: er meant to say debian default |
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| 08:25.59 | Dewi | zomgbie: why can't you put all the users in one chroot? |
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| 08:26.12 | Dewi | zomgbie: chrooting individual users seems way too paranoid for this scenario |
| 08:27.10 | Nepherius | can anyone suggest a light , userfriendly debian version?I tried dreamlinux , it looks awesome but nothing works :( |
| 08:27.32 | Dewi | Nepherius: debian has only one official version |
| 08:28.01 | zomgbie | Dewi: right but for that to work i'd still have to put them into the www-data group for the data to be served by apache. after that they could simply login (as they are simple system accounts) and change everything which is www-data |
| 08:28.05 | Nepherius | ..what about one less official ?:) |
| 08:28.09 | Dewi | Nepherius: in my opinion the only major debian-derived distro is ubuntu |
| 08:28.11 | flaarg | debian is userfriendly if you consider its friendly to use by its users |
| 08:28.18 | Dewi | Nepherius: but that's off-topic here |
| 08:29.06 | zomgbie | Dewi: so this might be the solution - use a separate user management ala htaccess |
| 08:29.27 | zomgbie | which would mean ditching vsftpd... |
| 08:30.07 | Dewi | zomgbie: don't have www-data owning the filess |
| 08:30.11 | zomgbie | no i'd still have the www-data problem |
| 08:30.16 | zomgbie | yeah right.. dumb me |
| 08:30.22 | Dewi | zomgbie: just have www-data (user) in the common group |
| 08:31.11 | zomgbie | Dewi: ah that makes sense right! |
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| 08:31.42 | Dewi | zomgbie: so you can think of apache as just another one of the users, who happens to expose the files on the web |
| 08:32.43 | zomgbie | Dewi: yeah i got it! by common group you mean an arbitrary group which just share rw on that particular directory right? |
| 08:33.07 | Dewi | yeah, it pretty much just owns everything in the shared area |
| 08:33.15 | Dewi | dirs are g+s |
| 08:33.29 | zomgbie | cool, yeah try that out immediately |
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| 08:33.34 | zomgbie | :)) |
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| 08:35.52 | g4tsu | hello |
| 08:36.01 | g4tsu | When I type dpkg -l, it's empty |
| 08:36.10 | g4tsu | But packets are well installed... |
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| 08:38.27 | wrksx | which one should I use: useradd or adduser ? |
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| 08:39.23 | themill | wrksx: adduser is normally a better plan |
| 08:40.02 | wrksx | is this the one that creates the userdir automatically ? |
| 08:40.25 | wrksx | I'm gonna try it thank you =) |
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| 08:50.19 | Dewi | wrksx: they both do, but adduser is a little less archaic |
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| 08:53.38 | sedulous | useradd -m cretes a home directory too |
| 08:53.42 | sedulous | *creates even |
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| 08:58.14 | anddam | hello |
| 08:58.26 | anddam | is /root safe to be 755? |
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| 08:59.52 | Aprogas | That depends what you put in /root but usually it will be. |
| 09:00.28 | anddam | thanks |
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| 09:00.52 | wrksx | does #!/bin/bash on a top of a script ensure it is run by bash ? |
| 09:00.53 | anddam | when uninstalling a package does aptitude remove dependencies not needed anymore? |
| 09:01.03 | anddam | namely I want to uninstall apache2 |
| 09:01.20 | themill | anddam: carefully check the permissions (and sensitivity) of the files you've got there. e.g. /root/.my.cnf will contain passwords that you don't want everyone to see. |
| 09:02.11 | llutz | anddam: why should someone have access to roots home? |
| 09:02.14 | themill | anddam: the chances of something else recommending apache2 and keeping it are high, so "aptitude remove apache2.2-common" might still be necessary. |
| 09:02.37 | anddam | llutz: idk, I just got a vps with debian 5.0 and I see /root is 755, I'm not saying that someone should have access |
| 09:02.55 | anddam | in fact I changed it to 700 but I was wondering if it's right this way or not |
| 09:03.26 | llutz | anddam: 700 sounds better for me |
| 09:04.15 | themill | 755 is the debian default for /root |
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| 09:06.03 | anddam | new topic: 'apt-get install aptitude' returns |
| 09:06.04 | anddam | Package aptitude is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 09:06.22 | r15 | i am getting ata1.00: status: { DRDY ERR } errors in my /var/log/syslog |
| 09:06.30 | r15 | my harddisk is about to die? |
| 09:06.30 | anddam | afair aptitude is in stable |
| 09:06.45 | anddam | and dhis should be a lenny # cat /etc/debian_version |
| 09:06.46 | anddam | 5.0.4 |
| 09:07.13 | anddam | and I have weps:~# cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 09:07.14 | anddam | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free |
| 09:07.30 | anddam | what's the problem |
| 09:07.31 | anddam | ? |
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| 09:07.54 | Dewi | anddam: I don't think you can install *without* getting aptitude |
| 09:08.06 | r15 | when i am starting two vm's i have errors on console. : [ 771.889624] ata1.00: status: { DRDY ERR } |
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| 09:08.40 | Dewi | anddam: does apt-get update finish correctly? |
| 09:10.00 | sweetpi | r15: check drive cables otherwise run a hdd diagnostics program. good idea to backup asap |
| 09:10.13 | jelly | r15: this may indicate sata cabling issues |
| 09:10.21 | r15 | it's my laptop |
| 09:10.54 | anddam | Dewi: yes I can but I was wondering why it behaves this way and no, I didn't updated |
| 09:10.58 | jelly | r15: is the drive temperature over 45-50°C? |
| 09:11.22 | anddam | thanks |
| 09:11.45 | Dewi | anddam: nothing will work until you 'apt-get update' |
| 09:11.54 | anddam | themill: something keeping it like what packages? I'm installing either lighty or nginx |
| 09:12.11 | r15 | jelly: i don't know, temperature can be the issue, as it is occur everytime i boot two vms. |
| 09:12.13 | themill | anddam: the output of "apt-get update; apt-cache policy aptitude" would be helpful. Please stick it in a pastebin not into the channel. You were lucky that debhelper didn't kick you. |
| 09:12.37 | anddam | themill: iirc there's a three lines rule or common policy |
| 09:12.43 | r15 | i am running vmware on debian lenny 5.0.6 |
| 09:12.44 | anddam | and I didn't flood, i.e. I spread the paste in time |
| 09:12.50 | Dewi | r15: what you describe could be a driver incompatibility problem with your ATA controller |
| 09:13.07 | Dewi | r15: I would consider trying flipping to a different mode in your BIOS |
| 09:13.32 | Dewi | r15: but also run smartctl --all to get a good look at its self-diagnostics |
| 09:13.37 | themill | anddam: I don't care... it was 7 lines in a row with very little time in between... there was no need for that to be in 7 lines. One would have been enough or use a pastebin. |
| 09:13.38 | r15 | Dewi: this issue started few hours ago, it's almost a month since i am using same. |
| 09:13.55 | anddam | themill: I understand and apologize |
| 09:14.04 | themill | anddam: lots of things recommend a web server as an additional thing that a package can make use of. "aptitude why $packagename" will tell you what else wants to keep the package |
| 09:14.22 | r15 | i am just going to booth two vm's again, this time with external fan. |
| 09:14.27 | r15 | boot* |
| 09:14.29 | Dewi | r15: oh I see. That's worrying then. |
| 09:14.51 | Dewi | r15: smartctl --all can show you temperature by the way |
| 09:14.55 | themill | anddam: and if that's really your sources.list, you're missing a security mirror. You've also not updated for a while -- you're at least 3 months behind. |
| 09:15.13 | themill | anddam: (version should be 5.0.6 not 5.0.4) |
| 09:15.44 | anddam | themill: atm I've still not installed aptitude, I just updated and saw apt-get upgrade suggest to upgrade apache2. I'd like to uninstall those package before upgrading, I don't strictly need to uninstall alla apache2 before upgrading, this is didactic |
| 09:16.08 | r15 | installing smartmon |
| 09:16.34 | zomgbie | how can i setup the directory for a special group and that every user adding files to that directory shares a certain set of file permissions and user group as well? chmod g+s should work but it doesn't, i can't even change dir with the other user (who is part of the group!) |
| 09:16.37 | anddam | themill: that's not the whole sources.list, I just took main repository to avoid flooding, I have -volatile and -security entries |
| 09:16.58 | anddam | themill: how would I remove apache2 and related package with apt-get? |
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| 09:17.43 | anddam | themill: it's unlikely that I'll install other packages, this is a small vps for webhosting and I won't install casual packages |
| 09:17.52 | Dewi | anddam: apt-get update != apt-get upgrade |
| 09:18.05 | r15 | Error 564 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 8881 hours (370 days + 1 hours) ? |
| 09:18.11 | themill | anddam: ok. (mis-representing the output of a command is even naughtier, btw). "apt-get remove apache2.2-common" will work. You may need an "apt-get autoremove" afterwards. apt-get install aptitude; aptitude remove apache2.2-common would probably be better. |
| 09:18.18 | r15 | just did smartctl -all /dev/sda |
| 09:18.23 | anddam | Dewi: yes, I just want to remove apache2 and related from installed packages before upgrading |
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| 09:19.27 | anddam | "apache2-common is not installed, so not removed" |
| 09:19.46 | anddam | apache2.2-common, my bad |
| 09:20.44 | anddam | thanks, I thought the point of a metapackage would be to handle a set of other packages, and the metapackage is apache2, not apache2.2-common. Why had I to remove -apache2.2-common? |
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| 09:21.33 | r15 | temperature is 46 |
| 09:22.36 | themill | anddam: apt-cache show libapache2-mod-php5 |
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| 09:23.09 | zomgbie | should i be able to access rwrwrw subdirectories of a rw---- root directory? |
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| 09:23.34 | anddam | themill: that's not installed tho' |
| 09:24.17 | themill | anddam: yes, but how on earth am I supposed to know that? You asked for a generic example of why just uninstalling "apache2" would not do what you wanted. There it is. |
| 09:24.27 | trestop | Hi, I need some help building packages - I have a source package on my system, that I want to update. I've done apt-get source <package> and it downloaded a new version but said "Skipping unpack of already unpacked source" |
| 09:25.00 | trestop | The updated package is not a new version, just a new patch update |
| 09:25.57 | anddam | themill: you were not supposed to know, I thought you were suggesting that libapache2-mod-php5 was keeping some stuff installed, while you wanted to show that libapache2-mod-php5 depends on apache2.2-common but not on apache2, right? |
| 09:26.29 | FluxD | Hi, on squeeze with no ipv6 why would ssh listen on ipv6? |
| 09:26.46 | r15 | again same messages |
| 09:31.42 | zomgbie | as user A why can't I access user B's subdirectory which is owned by user A's group? |
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| 09:32.46 | Dewi | zomgbie: the dir needs g+rx |
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| 09:35.04 | Dewi | FluxD: why do you have no ipv6? |
| 09:35.17 | FluxD | Dewi, its a vps |
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| 09:35.56 | Dewi | FluxD: so? squeeze has ipv6 unless you specifically turn it off |
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| 09:36.18 | trestop | anyone can help with package building? |
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| 09:36.39 | FluxD | Dewi, I dont have a /etc/default/grub or /boot so I cannot turn it off in kernel |
| 09:36.47 | Dewi | FluxD: why do you want to? |
| 09:36.52 | zomgbie | Dewi: still get Permission denied |
| 09:36.57 | zomgbie | :( |
| 09:37.20 | Dewi | zomgbie: you need sufficient permissions to all parents as well |
| 09:37.21 | FluxD | Dewi, Because I dont need ipv6 ? |
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| 09:37.39 | zomgbie | Dewi: ok i got it, any way to circumvent that? |
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| 09:38.28 | Dewi | zomgbie: um... don't do it that way. That's all I got :P |
| 09:38.59 | Dewi | FluxD: http://www.debian-administration.org/article/409/Disabling_IPv6_under_a_2.6_kernel |
| 09:38.59 | zomgbie | i see, thanks again |
| 09:39.29 | Dewi | FluxD: sorry, that's quite old, hopefully it still applies |
| 09:40.08 | Dewi | FluxD: this is newer http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6#HowtoturnoffIPv6 |
| 09:40.19 | FluxD | ok thx |
| 09:40.28 | cybor0 | some help dpkg-reconfigure locales *** update-locale: Error: invalid locale settings: LANG=pl_PL.UTF-8 |
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| 10:12.24 | anddam | dpkg: is utterly useful |
| 10:12.24 | dpkg | anddam: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 10:12.31 | anddam | it is not |
| 10:13.11 | anddam | with a couple request it has provided the answers I wanted about purging a package |
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| 10:40.46 | mosno2 | is there a way to run the functionality in d-i's "choose mirror" after install? |
| 10:41.39 | tarzeau | mosno2: just put up your /etc/apt/sources.list you want |
| 10:41.50 | liable | or use apt-spy |
| 10:42.25 | liable | mosno2: but seriously, its a simple text file, its not hard to edit and change your mirror |
| 10:42.34 | mosno2 | yes, i know how to do it manually |
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| 10:43.00 | mosno2 | does apt-spy provide the same functionality as "choose mirror"? |
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| 10:43.07 | mosno2 | (the system isn't installed yet so i can't test) |
| 10:43.31 | liable | its for a different purpose (to find the fastest mirror) but its similar |
| 10:43.39 | mosno2 | ok cool |
| 10:43.53 | mosno2 | i played with it year(s) ago but i have a terrible memory :-\ |
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| 10:45.04 | mosno2 | this system is going to be a xen dom0... i need to run netbsd on this laptop, but the nic driver for this card is experimental (and seemingly buggy) on netbsd stable... so i'll install netbsd as a domU |
| 10:45.16 | mosno2 | instead of the raw host |
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| 10:50.24 | kerio | hi everyone |
| 10:50.36 | kerio | i can't find openntpd on squeeze |
| 10:50.41 | kerio | on armel |
| 10:50.55 | kerio | why is that? |
| 10:51.07 | kerio | i can use ntpdate, but since this is a server, i'd prefer ntpd |
| 10:51.24 | liable | it might have rc bugs mebbe |
| 10:51.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | judd: versions ntpd |
| 10:51.36 | liable | !why is openntpd not in testing? |
| 10:51.37 | dpkg | openntpd is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=openntpd |
| 10:51.37 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'ntpd' was found in i386. |
| 10:51.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | judd: versions ntp |
| 10:51.43 | judd | Package ntp on i386 -- etch: 1:4.2.2.p4+dfsg-2etch4; etch-security: 1:4.2.2.p4+dfsg-2etch4; lenny: 1:4.2.4p4+dfsg-8lenny3; lenny-security: 1:4.2.4p4+dfsg-8lenny3; sid: 1:4.2.6.p2+dfsg-1; squeeze: 1:4.2.6.p2+dfsg-1 |
| 10:51.55 | bolt-work | kerio: because you don't search properly, that's why :) |
| 10:52.00 | bolt-work | kerio: it's in the package "ntp" |
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| 10:52.38 | Sigvatr | hi there |
| 10:52.57 | liable | hi thar arr |
| 10:53.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | Sigvatr: hows the bannana bending going? :) |
| 10:53.28 | Sigvatr | banana bending? :/ |
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| 10:53.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | Sigvatr: your coming from a qld netblock :) |
| 10:54.02 | Sigvatr | oh |
| 10:54.04 | Sigvatr | that's racist |
| 10:54.04 | liable | heh, i was wondering if you were meaning that.. |
| 10:54.18 | liable | are you .au Kamping_Kaiser ? |
| 10:54.20 | kerio | bolt-work: ty |
| 10:54.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | slaps Sigvatr around with a strait bananna |
| 10:54.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | liable: yeah, sa |
| 10:54.25 | Sigvatr | i'm wondering about how to make a software license DFSG compatible; what does "License must not contaminate other software" mean? |
| 10:54.33 | liable | crow eater! |
| 10:54.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | liable: shh :p |
| 10:54.45 | liable | lol, i grew up in sa ;) |
| 10:55.04 | liable | oops, i said lol.. |
| 10:55.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | Sigvatr: perhaps use an existing licence |
| 10:55.09 | liable | self flagelates |
| 10:55.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | liable: *smack* :p |
| 10:55.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | Sigvatr: http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses |
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| 10:56.58 | mosno2 | if i choose a mirror OR select security/volatile during install, AND my network isn't configured, will the install fail, or will it just use the packages on the CD? |
| 10:57.04 | mosno2 | i have the full CD1 |
| 10:58.14 | Sigvatr | i don't know where specifically to look, what does software contamination mean? |
| 11:00.45 | poisonbit | Sigvatr, extend restrictions to linked/etc soft |
| 11:00.51 | poisonbit | some licenses does |
| 11:01.10 | Sigvatr | so if a license doesn't make any restrictions on linking then it does not contaminate? |
| 11:01.31 | poisonbit | does your license afect in one os other way to _other_ soft ? |
| 11:01.49 | poisonbit | i.e. is it a library ? |
| 11:01.50 | Sigvatr | no |
| 11:01.51 | themill | Sigvatr: writing your own licence is the worst thing you could do -- pick an existing licence that is known to be compatible with any other libraries you use and also with the DFSG. |
| 11:01.55 | Sigvatr | there's no discrimination |
| 11:02.01 | poisonbit | then I think that sentence does not apply |
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| 11:02.33 | Sigvatr | i'm doing this partially for fun because i've taken in interest in this sort of stuff lately |
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| 11:07.52 | ewindisch | debian doesn't have a VCS for its packages, does it? maintainers simply provide a new source package, right? |
| 11:08.06 | ewindisch | -- if there is a VCS, I'd like to find it ;-) |
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| 11:09.21 | themill | ewindisch: there are a number of VCSs that might be used -- ones on alioth, public ones used by the maintainer or private ones used by the maintainer. |
| 11:09.58 | themill | ewindisch: "apt-cache showsrc $package" will list the VCS details if known |
| 11:10.05 | poisonbit | ewindisch, svn.debian.org ? |
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| 11:10.30 | Sigvatr | hypothetically speaking, what if there was a license that basically said you may substitute that license with the terms and conditions of any other license? would that make it compatible with many big names? |
| 11:10.54 | themill | poisonbit, ewindisch: also git.debian.org bzr.debian.org hg.debian.org darcs.debian.org arch.debian.org ... |
| 11:11.04 | ewindisch | thanks :) |
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| 11:13.14 | ewindisch | what I'm looking for doesn't seem to exist, unfortunately :( |
| 11:13.23 | themill | Sigvatr: you could still have licence incompatibilities with that sort of licence -- you'd still not be able to link against a GPLd library and OpenSSL, for example. |
| 11:13.31 | themill | ewindisch: what package are you looking at? |
| 11:13.45 | ewindisch | that is, the source to a specific kernel version. (Wanted to manually ksplice..need the source to the running kernel) |
| 11:13.54 | mosno2 | why did locales generate my locale twice? |
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| 11:14.28 | themill | Sigvatr: in any case, IRC is lousy at dealing with hypotheticals and #debian is more end-user support than licence advice. The debian-legal mailing list is a better venue. |
| 11:14.36 | ewindisch | getting the diff from upstream to the *latest* kernel is easy, but getting that diff for an outdated package... not so much |
| 11:15.00 | Sigvatr | hmm |
| 11:15.04 | themill | ewindisch: "apt-get source" will get you the current kernel source; "/msg dpkg snapshots" to get older packages |
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| 11:15.48 | Sigvatr | well give me an example, what is a license that could be considered compatible with the big names? |
| 11:15.57 | poisonbit | mosno2, grep -vE '(^#|^$)' /etc/locale.gen |
| 11:16.00 | Sigvatr | i'm interested mostly in compatibility because i understand proliferation is gay |
| 11:16.56 | mosno2 | poisonbit, i see. why would d-i have entered my locale twice in that file? |
| 11:17.38 | mosno2 | poisonbit, i did an advanced expert install of debian 5.0.0 i386 from CD1, i left the default local ("en_AU.UTF-8") selected, and i didn't generate any additional locales |
| 11:17.42 | themill | Sigvatr: the wiki page linked to earlier lists licences and their compatibilities. So does the FSF website and so does wikipedia. BSD or WTFPL are the most liberal and generally the most compatible. (also, please don't use "gay" as a pejorative or I'll have to start telling jokes about Queenslanders having had too much sun ...) |
| 11:17.56 | mosno2 | poisonbit, and should i remove one of the lines from that file now? |
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| 11:18.01 | stew | Sigvatr: if you want the code distributale under *any* license, it sounds like you don't want a license at all, but to put the code into the public domain (this giving up copyright claim) |
| 11:18.34 | themill | for whatever public domain actually means in the jurisdictions of interest. |
| 11:18.37 | poisonbit | mosno2, I don't know the origin, but sure you can comment or delete duplicated entries |
| 11:18.51 | mosno2 | poisonbit, ok thanks |
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| 11:19.11 | Sigvatr | if i lose copyright claim, then what effects would that have on me as the author of the software? |
| 11:19.26 | Sigvatr | and from what i've read, WTFPL sounds almost/kind of like a joke license, or a parody? |
| 11:19.30 | Sigvatr | does anyone seriously use it? |
| 11:19.42 | stew | Sigvatr: yes, some software seriously uses wtfpl |
| 11:19.48 | stew | Sigvatr: mit is a very permissive license |
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| 11:20.34 | stew | Sigvatr: i don't see how putting something under public domain has effects on you as the author |
| 11:21.26 | anddam | bye thanks |
| 11:22.22 | Sigvatr | are there any forums or lists that are good for talking about software licensing? |
| 11:23.12 | poisonbit | debian-legal@ |
| 11:23.20 | poisonbit | ? |
| 11:24.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | not really |
| 11:24.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | they don't normally take nicely to questions about random questions about licencing |
| 11:24.30 | poisonbit | I realized after enter, so my '?' |
| 11:27.04 | Sigvatr | if a piece of software is in the public domain, does that make it incompatible with any prominent software licenses? |
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| 11:27.56 | zmitya | hi guys |
| 11:28.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | does someone have the 'proper' debian mirror sync script to hand? iirc it uses rsync |
| 11:28.34 | zmitya | I have a disk (not USB) which is usually plugged in, but sometimes its not plugged in |
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| 11:28.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | ah, found the git repo |
| 11:28.51 | zmitya | what is the "most elegand" way to put it into fstab ? |
| 11:29.15 | zmitya | so it should be mounted after the boot, but the bood process should not stop if it is not there |
| 11:29.46 | themill | Sigvatr: "public domain" is a difficult concept. The standard answer to that question would be "it should be compatible with everything", but there are a number of people who don't really believe that it's possible to actively place material in the public domain and many jurisdictions have no provision for an author to do that. There are Creative Commons licences that are specifically aimed at replicating what is wanted by "Public Domain licencing" |
| 11:29.48 | themill | and don't have that problem. (Moreover, there are specific CC licences that are tailored to the Australian Copyright Act 1968 and as amended) |
| 11:31.26 | poisonbit | zmitya, you can use @reboot incrontab instead of fstab |
| 11:31.45 | poisonbit | [ -b /deb/sdb ] && mount /dev/sdb1 blabla |
| 11:31.46 | Sigvatr | so the "public domain" varies based on local laws? |
| 11:32.17 | themill | Sigvatr: all copyright law does; public domain even more so than normal because it's trying to opt out of copyright law. |
| 11:32.26 | poisonbit | zmitya, man 5 crontab => @reboot Run once, at startup. |
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| 11:32.37 | Sigvatr | hmmm, so even public domain has its problems |
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| 11:32.54 | p0g0 | Sigvatr: yes, and over time- the Disney company has led the effort to remove most of the public commons and make copyrights last fro many more yers than originally intended. |
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| 11:33.35 | Sigvatr | basically, i'm trying to imagine what the most permissive software license possible would be, providing that there are no compatibility issues with as many other software licenses as possible |
| 11:34.06 | zmitya | poisonbit: thx !! |
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| 11:34.44 | poisonbit | zmitya, for "mount foo" to work you will need it in fstab anyway (with noauto option) |
| 11:35.17 | jpinx-eeepc | Sigvatr: basically - the person with the most money to pay their lawyers will get what they want - licences notwithstanding ;) |
| 11:35.25 | ewindisch | Sigvatr, lookat the MIT license |
| 11:35.39 | ewindisch | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIT_License |
| 11:39.05 | ewindisch | the MIT license is basically "do whatever you want with this" without the various (theoretical?) problems of attempting to release to the public domain. |
| 11:39.44 | Sigvatr | some people might consider the BSD and MIT restrictive in that they requires you to "reproduce the above copyright notice" |
| 11:40.11 | ewindisch | Sigvatr, true.. the ISC license removes that |
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| 11:57.43 | et | hi. aptitude wants to (i don't exactly know why) uninstall a whole bunch of packages i don't want it to uninstall (they are unused) - i wonder how to prevent that? i tried "aptitude unmarkauto '~i'" but that only causes aptitude again to want to uninstall all those packages |
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| 11:59.15 | mistrynitesh | how do I get all the packages updated from backports? I read the instructions at backports.debian.org about pinning but I had to set priority to >500 to have offered the updates |
| 11:59.46 | mistrynitesh | but the webpage says that I won't get security updates |
| 11:59.52 | mistrynitesh | I am a bit confused |
| 12:00.40 | poisonbit | dpkg -l | grep bpo ? |
| 12:00.40 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep bpo |
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| 12:03.03 | themill | mistrynitesh: the webpage tells you to use 200 for the pinning. |
| 12:03.37 | themill | (and with that, you will get updates to the packages that you have installed from backports) |
| 12:05.02 | mistrynitesh | themill: so updates will be only for those I installed specifically from backports (ie. using -t option) |
| 12:05.18 | mistrynitesh | but what if I want to update all packages from backports? |
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| 12:05.37 | themill | that's not a recommended configuration |
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| 12:05.57 | folivora | Hey, i've got dhcp3-server installed and configured.. it eveng gives the ip's as it should be.. but when i am running /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart. nothing happens |
| 12:06.06 | mistrynitesh | isn't it a good idea to update all packages from backports? |
| 12:06.52 | themill | mistrynitesh: it's a good idea to update all packages that you have already installed from backports. It's not a good idea to update to every single package that is supplied by backports. |
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| 12:07.26 | mistrynitesh | why?.... just curious |
| 12:07.58 | jelly | mistrynitesh: because backports are less tested and might introduce undesirable changes |
| 12:09.20 | themill | in particular, the combinations of different backports packages is not tested |
| 12:09.51 | mistrynitesh | hmmm... ok thanks... my packages are only being downloaded yet... should I interrupt (using ctrl+c)? |
| 12:11.54 | jelly | mistrynitesh: let's just say not many people here will be willing to help if you use all the backports you can |
| 12:12.28 | jelly | there's more than one way to shoot yourself in the foot |
| 12:13.33 | mistrynitesh | jelly: is interrupting a download one of the ways? |
| 12:13.52 | hid3 | Any ideas on planned squeeze release date? |
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| 12:15.47 | smhar | greetings |
| 12:15.54 | jelly | mistrynitesh: messing with pinning and installing all the backports sounds much like one |
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| 12:17.41 | smhar | I have two local users logged in my notebook, user1 and user2 . I switch between them using ctrl+alt+7 and ctrl+alt+8 . both are still running but after leaving the computer for a while and returning to it now, I am unable to switch to user2, I just get a blank black screen |
| 12:18.54 | smhar | I can confirm that both users are still logged in using who. |
| 12:19.31 | smhar | user1 tty7, user2 tty8 |
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| 12:20.58 | zmitya | guys, do you know when will CVE-2010-3081 be fixed in squeeze ? |
| 12:22.11 | jelly | zmitya: squeeze doesn't get security releases yet. |
| 12:22.29 | smhar | second user is running amule downloading some files and I can see the files being downloaded when checking the dir as root |
| 12:22.49 | jelly | zmitya: so, it's likely to get updates when they arrive in unstable + 2 days |
| 12:23.54 | zmitya | jelly: sure, I know its testing.. but we are over the 2 days now :( thats why I asked if sy knows about the fix |
| 12:24.34 | jelly | zmitya: so, check unstable for a fixed kernel |
| 12:24.55 | jelly | zmitya: when it appears there, then start counting 2 days |
| 12:25.07 | smhar | it had happened to me before and I could do is restart the computer :-( |
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| 12:25.57 | anisfarhana | hello :) |
| 12:26.07 | anisfarhana | quick question for newbies here : How to select all text in nano ? |
| 12:26.22 | zmitya | jelly: ok, thanks... |
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| 12:30.00 | jelly | !tracker of doom |
| 12:30.00 | dpkg | i guess tracker of doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.org/ or read http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ or http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences |
| 12:30.02 | pjb | Hi! I'm trying to install a debian etch with debootstrap, but I can't find a mirror still having it. Does one exist? |
| 12:31.01 | smhar | pjb, not sure, but /topic says NO |
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| 12:31.16 | stew | pjb: http://archive.debian.org/debian ; but it begs the question of why you'd want to install something unsupported and known vulnerable |
| 12:31.42 | pjb | There are still machines running it, and I'd need to make a VM with a similar configuration for test purposes. |
| 12:31.59 | jelly | zmitya: you'll note the tracker of doom lists the version in unstable as fixed; for reasons why it's not in testing yet, see |
| 12:32.21 | jelly | !why is linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 not in testing |
| 12:32.21 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 |
| 12:32.54 | smhar | could someone help me find why I can not switch to tty8 although there is a user logged in there? |
| 12:33.07 | pjb | stew: it says invalid release file no entry for main/binary-x86/Packages. :-( |
| 12:34.04 | zmitya | jelly: wow, thanks |
| 12:34.22 | jelly | zmitya: er, disregard that one, check http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=linux-2.6 |
| 12:34.29 | smhar | jelly, strange I am running squeeze and my uname -a says: Linux aristotle 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Wed Aug 25 14:28:12 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 12:34.47 | stew | smhar: why is that strange? |
| 12:34.56 | pjb | stew: ah, with --arch=i386 it's ok. Thanks. |
| 12:35.20 | stew | pjb: are you running debian? |
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| 12:35.26 | zmitya | jelly: oh, ok |
| 12:35.40 | pjb | Yes. I switche to debian lenny from gentoo this week end. |
| 12:35.41 | smhar | jelly, dpkg says it is not in testing |
| 12:35.50 | pjb | I was fed up with problems upon emerge --update world... |
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| 12:36.09 | jelly | smhar: it doesn't |
| 12:36.12 | stew | oh, you were giving the wrong --arch to debootstrap |
| 12:36.16 | pjb | yes. |
| 12:36.30 | stew | jelly: zmitya: also note that it might get a tpu upload instead of migrating from unstable |
| 12:36.46 | stew | zmitya: jelly (making that pts page less relevant) |
| 12:36.55 | jelly | stew: you mean, "more buggy" |
| 12:36.58 | smhar | jelly, but I have testing and I am running 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 12:37.15 | stew | smhar: you are running a different version of 2.6.32-6-686 |
| 12:37.18 | stew | err -5 |
| 12:38.00 | smhar | stew, 2.6.32-5-686 not 2.6.32-6-686 |
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| 12:38.14 | stew | smhar: yes, you are running a different version of 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 12:38.29 | smhar | how different? |
| 12:38.50 | stew | smhar: compare the Installed: version listed by "apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6.32-5-686" with those listed by "/msg judd versions linux-image-2.6.32-5-686" |
| 12:39.14 | stew | or http://packages.debian.org/linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 |
| 12:39.45 | smhar | stew, it says : 2.6.32-21 |
| 12:40.02 | smhar | ?! |
| 12:40.08 | stew | smhar: yes, and unstable (with the fix) is 2.6.32-23 |
| 12:41.05 | smhar | stew, this is so confusing , why different package name then? why not call it the same name? |
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| 12:41.28 | themill | smhar: it is the same package name; it's a different package version |
| 12:41.35 | stew | smhar: its the same package name, because they are binary compatible |
| 12:43.48 | smhar | themill, stew, whatever, it will take me some time to digest this, for now this is the least of my problems :-) I need to solve my unreachable user first |
| 12:45.44 | smhar | or just kill the user as usual, which is irritating thing to do |
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| 12:49.33 | alcy | anyone got a clue if there is anything like avelsieve for icedove/evolution/kmail ? till now I have only found a xul-ext-sieve package for icedove , which allows users to "write" sieve scripts. avelsieve on the other hand, provides a prettu ui, to select the various options. |
| 12:49.59 | alcy | s/prettu/pretty |
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| 13:12.40 | trebor_dki | ups, sorry, wrong server ;) |
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| 13:22.22 | judgen | Howdy.. If i install debian unstable and need to blacklist a certain network device to get my network up. Can i then blacklist it and restart the networking and continue to install? |
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| 13:30.38 | pyther | What does it mean when aptitude says "Packages being automatically hled int their current state" ? |
| 13:30.43 | pyther | Why are they being held? |
| 13:31.11 | dimir | somebody put them "on hold". |
| 13:31.17 | dimir | For whatever reason. |
| 13:31.24 | dimir | Do you know what does mean being "on hold"? |
| 13:31.32 | pyther | So I probably shouldn't install them? |
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| 13:33.01 | jacekowski | hi |
| 13:33.18 | dimir | Sometimes you don't want an upgrade of some package, you want to stick to current version. Then you put that package on "hold". |
| 13:33.29 | dimir | If somebody did that there probably is a reason behind it. |
| 13:33.42 | dimir | jacekowski: hi |
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| 13:34.19 | jacekowski | jacekowski:~# some32bitbinary |
| 13:34.20 | jacekowski | Killed |
| 13:34.25 | lukosanthropos | is away (Goodbye) |
| 13:34.27 | jacekowski | what i've done wrong |
| 13:34.47 | pyther | ok |
| 13:34.48 | pyther | thanks |
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| 13:43.08 | jacekowski | it's after changing kernel |
| 13:43.17 | jacekowski | and changing grsec settings in kernel |
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| 14:03.31 | xelister | when using cryptsetup, how to convert name of backing hard drive like /dev/sda into name of dm-1 etc? |
| 14:03.59 | homie | don't do that |
| 14:04.12 | homie | put the name of your device in /etc/crypttab |
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| 14:04.31 | xelister | homie: its for checking soemthing, not for crypttab |
| 14:04.31 | homie | like cswap0 /dev/sda .....etc.... |
| 14:04.43 | xelister | so say inode 252,4 is dm-5 right? N+1 ? |
| 14:04.55 | homie | it is the device mappers responsibility to care for that.... |
| 14:05.11 | homie | that's why it appears to be linked under /dev/mapper |
| 14:05.24 | xelister | heah but Im trying to debug how much IO is happening to the dm-X drive, and how much to it's backing actuall hard drive |
| 14:05.49 | homie | ok then use the /dev/mapper/bla name instead ! ? |
| 14:05.56 | homie | what's the problem ? |
| 14:05.57 | xelister | overall.. how to see full path, like: /home/ is /dev/mapper/home that is dm-3 that is backed up by /dev/sdb3 |
| 14:06.16 | homie | it's a symlink in /dev/mapper' |
| 14:06.20 | xelister | homie: I want to find out information like above, for debugging purposes |
| 14:06.23 | homie | ls -al /dev/mapper and you see |
| 14:06.53 | xelister | so there "252,0" means dm-1 ? |
| 14:07.01 | homie | jep |
| 14:07.22 | xelister | and how to find out to what backing harddrive dm-1 is connected? like /dev/sda3 |
| 14:08.00 | homie | either through /proc/mounts or /etc/crypttab |
| 14:08.29 | xelister | btw, instead of /dev/mapper one can also use "dmsetup info" it seems |
| 14:09.00 | homie | yes i think so since it's just the utility program for that thing |
| 14:09.14 | homie | you sure can use that... |
| 14:09.34 | homie | i thought you want to script something or so.. |
| 14:09.41 | folivora | Hey, can someone explain to me that when i install dhcp3-server with aptitude. Why i can't see start/restart file in /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server ? |
| 14:09.48 | homie | and don't want to depend on system utilities... |
| 14:09.55 | folivora | Basicly i can't stop / or start dhcp3-server |
| 14:10.50 | folivora | http://pastebin.com/Ej5aAi0Q |
| 14:11.02 | folivora | and as you see there isn't any errors on installation |
| 14:11.49 | homie | at least not deamon ones.... |
| 14:12.01 | homie | or userpace... |
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| 14:22.04 | natefoo | 'lo all. |
| 14:22.21 | natefoo | is there no official way to set the hostname from dhcp? the only thing i can find is this: http://www.debian-administration.org/article/447/Automatic/Dynamic_configuration_of_hostnames_for_rolling_out_labs |
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| 14:29.41 | bzrk_ | natefoo: dont know about official, with bind and dhcpd you can use ddns-updates |
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| 14:30.15 | natefoo | ah, this isn't for dynamic dns. |
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| 14:30.22 | bzrk_ | natefoo: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=50205 that sums up the general idea |
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| 14:30.23 | natefoo | it's to set the client's hostname to the value provided by the dns server. |
| 14:30.34 | bzrk_ | natefoo: ah ok |
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| 14:35.12 | zomgbie | do some of you guys use rsync to sync your home directory between your workstation and netbook? |
| 14:35.19 | zomgbie | two way kinda |
| 14:35.22 | zomgbie | ? |
| 14:35.27 | zomgbie | this should be possible right? |
| 14:35.42 | homie | yes |
| 14:36.53 | scoobertron | zomgbie: dropbox works nicely for this as well |
| 14:37.19 | zomgbie | homie, scoobertron: cool i thought so that dropbox was using rsync ;) |
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| 14:38.48 | homie | dropbox ? |
| 14:38.52 | homie | never heard of |
| 14:38.53 | mandric | hello i have a .deb file and I would like to see what is inside (unpack it to see the files). How? |
| 14:39.12 | homie | even not on my apt-cache search dropbox thing... |
| 14:39.17 | cire | how may a bash script find out its location? I mean, if I run /opt/bin/myscript, how may it get the path "/opt/bin/", the name itself can be read out from $0, as far as I know... |
| 14:39.19 | karlpinc | mandric: ar |
| 14:39.22 | stew | mandric: dpkg -c to list contents, dpkg -x to extract (see the manpage) |
| 14:39.28 | homie | ?dropbox |
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| 14:39.31 | mandric | ok thanks |
| 14:39.34 | homie | dropbox? |
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| 14:39.44 | homie | !dpkg |
| 14:39.44 | dpkg | i guess dpkg is the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
| 14:39.48 | scoobertron | homie: sorry, its not a debian package - see www.getdropbox.com |
| 14:39.49 | stew | homie: apt-cache show dropbox |
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| 14:39.52 | homie | !dpkg tell me about dropbox |
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| 14:40.20 | karlpinc | !tell homie about selftell |
| 14:40.56 | Shadur | Does the latest kernel in lenny/security fix the 64-bit kernel exploit? |
| 14:41.05 | homie | dpkg has no idea on dropbox too.... |
| 14:41.05 | dpkg | homie: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 14:41.11 | homie | ups |
| 14:41.35 | stew | judd: versions dropbox |
| 14:41.37 | judd | Package dropbox on i386 -- sid/non-free: 0.7.110-1+b2; squeeze/non-free: 0.7.110-1+b2; experimental/non-free: 0.8.92-1 |
| 14:41.44 | homie | ah |
| 14:41.47 | homie | now clear |
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| 14:44.58 | zomgbie | almost got it - how can i set the underlying directory so that files created are group write and executable as well? -rw-r--r-- |
| 14:45.51 | zomgbie | ehm i mean owner executable would be cool too... ehem.. |
| 14:46.15 | zomgbie | chown -R myuser:myuser /dir |
| 14:46.41 | zomgbie | chmod g+s /dir |
| 14:46.49 | zomgbie | leads me to that output above |
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| 14:48.04 | mandric | does anyone happen to know if the debian package for supervisor on sid is compatible with ubuntu karmic? |
| 14:48.06 | Shadur | Okay, according to the changelogs it is. Good. |
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| 14:48.42 | stew | mandric: you are probably better off asking #ubuntu |
| 14:48.47 | mandric | ok |
| 14:48.52 | mandric | thanks |
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| 15:01.02 | ali3n0 | hi guys is there a way to get a Lenny install to be clean as just installed with no tasks? I'm trying with tasksel removing unwanted stuff but doesn't seem to work |
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| 15:02.58 | natefoo | sorry if this documented somewhere, i can't find it in the d-i docs and it's hard to google. i'm trying to preseed and am still asked a few questions. how do i figure out what the name of the question is to add it to the preseed file? |
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| 15:03.46 | Lenhix | ali3n0: using normal CD or netinst? |
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| 15:04.10 | Number5 | hello guys, what's the command to show the used shared libraries by an executable? |
| 15:04.16 | ali3n0 | Lenhix, is a machine I have just ssh access |
| 15:04.26 | ali3n0 | I have to do it via console |
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| 15:05.08 | natefoo | Number5: ldd. |
| 15:05.30 | rgr | The weirdest thing - my dns server gave up the ghost (PSU failed). As a result my dev machine would not boot to X - the nvidia glx module would not load. I re-enabled dns on the router and it all worked again. |
| 15:05.55 | stew | ali3n0: you could remove any packages in with optional or extra priority, perhaps "aptitude -s remove ~poptional ~pextra" note that this would include ssh, so perhaps "aptitude -s remove ~poptional ~pextra ssh+" to tell it to keep ssh installed. the -s means "simulate" or do nothing, remove it if you actually want it to do anything |
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| 15:06.11 | Number5 | natefoo: thnx, I thought ld :P |
| 15:06.43 | ali3n0 | stew, thanks! I'll go for it |
| 15:07.02 | poisonbit | ali3n0, I use to put these 2 lines on my preeseds: |
| 15:07.05 | poisonbit | tasksel tasksel/first multiselect |
| 15:07.05 | poisonbit | d-i pkgsel/include string |
| 15:07.13 | poisonbit | and no task is installed |
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| 15:07.26 | zomgbie | why needs www-data a password when with all other accounts public key is alright? i've put my .ssh directory under /var/www |
| 15:07.29 | poisonbit | just empty values |
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| 15:07.53 | stew | natefoo: see if http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apbs03.html helps |
| 15:08.39 | stew | zomgbie: www-data doesn't need a password. if you are having trouble with key based auth, its probably a permissions problem, try /msg dpkg debug sshd |
| 15:08.48 | zomgbie | "Authentication refused: bad ownership or modes for directory /var/www" |
| 15:09.36 | natefoo | stew: yeah, thanks, i had just stumbled upon that as well. =) |
| 15:09.51 | stew | zomgbie: yes, the home directory and .ssh directories must be owned by the user and they cannot be (nor any of their ancestors) group or world writable |
| 15:09.55 | zomgbie | stew: could it be due to the fact that /var/www itself is owned by root? |
| 15:10.03 | stew | zomgbie: i'd recommend changing the home directory to somewhere more sane |
| 15:10.26 | zomgbie | stew: why does /var/www/somesite have www-data as owner/group then and works? |
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| 15:10.37 | zomgbie | i don't get it, it seems unlogical to me - or i am dumb ;D |
| 15:11.01 | zomgbie | stew: i don't want to break anything by moving home to somewhere else |
| 15:11.03 | rolandpish | In a squeeze box I created a new user but only want him for ssh/ftp etc. How can I disable the graphic environment for this user? |
| 15:11.09 | stew | zomgbie: its so that some other user isn't able to take control of your account by being able to write to/replace the authorized_keys file |
| 15:11.16 | stew | zomgbie: what would be broken? |
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| 15:11.57 | stew | rolandpish: are you using a graphical login? if so, which? |
| 15:12.08 | zomgbie | stew: i don't know like the sites that are found under /var/www for example? |
| 15:12.18 | zomgbie | stew: i might as well be totally irrational in that regard ;D |
| 15:12.43 | stew | zomgbie: i don't see how they'd be relying on the www-data's home directory |
| 15:12.44 | rolandpish | stew, thanks. Yes, I'm using squeeze+xfce |
| 15:12.57 | stew | rolandpish: which display manager are you using? |
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| 15:13.26 | stew | rolandpish: what does "cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager" return? |
| 15:13.36 | zomgbie | stew: ok... *i'll do it* |
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| 15:15.46 | rolandpish | stew, I'm using gdm. Just a sec to cat that file... |
| 15:16.01 | stew | rolandpish: then run "gdmsetup" as root and go to the users tab |
| 15:17.03 | rolandpish | stew, great! that did the trick! thanks a lot! |
| 15:18.18 | poisonbit | rolandpish, remeber that the user just need to ctrl + alt + f1 to take a login from the same keyboard/screen/mouse |
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| 15:18.52 | poisonbit | and the default debian user, can read mostly of the system |
| 15:19.23 | poisonbit | If you just need to pass some files by ssh to a friend/co-worker, see sftponly + chrootdiretory (and /bin/false as user shell) |
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| 15:20.55 | rolandpish | poisonbit, thanks for your recommendation. I think I'll secure the room where the box is :) |
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| 15:35.26 | xiaclo | does anyone know how to fix "there was an error creating a child process for this terminal" for gnome-terminal? |
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| 15:39.01 | jordanm | xiaclo: when does the error occur? is that the *exact* error? what version of debian? |
| 15:39.19 | mjmt | xiaclo: Unset use_custom_command in gconf-editor, under /apps/gnome-terminal/profiles/<whatever> |
| 15:39.37 | mjmt | Or make sure what custom_command refers to is a valid command. |
| 15:39.50 | xiaclo | when running a gnome-terminal with the -e or -x switches ... that is the exact error, its in a popup box, and squeeze |
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| 15:40.06 | jordanm | mjmt seems to have seen this before |
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| 15:41.03 | xiaclo | mjmt use_custom_command isn't checked for any profile |
| 15:41.50 | eviltoaster | Best way to connect my xbox360 to my linux computer for media sharing? |
| 15:41.56 | eviltoaster | does ushare still suck? |
| 15:42.00 | mjmt | Hmm then it's whatever your shell is? Would expect things to be worse if that were the case. |
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| 15:43.01 | ma3x | how do you install mencoder in debian? This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source |
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| 15:43.21 | xiaclo | mjmt the strange thing is, it works fine with xterm ... just not gnome-terminal |
| 15:43.26 | ma3x | ah from multimedia i see |
| 15:43.51 | mjmt | Tried toggling login_shell ? |
| 15:44.33 | jhutchins_lt | ma3x: Which from multimedia? I think mediatomb will work. |
| 15:44.44 | mjmt | You're probably going to need to look at .xsession-errors or somewhere. |
| 15:44.46 | ma3x | what's mediatomb? |
| 15:45.01 | jhutchins_lt | It's a upnp server. |
| 15:49.46 | xiaclo | mjmt i got it, it was an invalid command ... my default shell is dash, which doesn't handle the for loop correctly that i was trying to do ... proper syntax is bash, but not dash |
| 15:50.21 | xiaclo | strange that a normal gnome-terminal executes bash, and gnome-terminal -e or -x executes dash though |
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| 15:53.36 | nsadmin | ok, I need to build a pg 9.x to test something; I run lenny, and I would like to build it to be compatable with existing pgs, perhaps even build the set of packages. is the procedure documented? |
| 15:54.49 | mjmt | xiaclo: You mean -e /bin/sh ? -e and -x require an argument. |
| 15:54.54 | mjmt | Same as xterm. |
| 15:54.58 | nsadmin | , versions postgresql |
| 15:55.00 | judd | Package postgresql on i386 -- etch: 7.5.22; etch-backports: 8.3.9-0lenny1~bpo40+1; lenny: 8.3.11-0lenny1; lenny-security: 8.3.11-0lenny1; lenny-backports: 8.4.4-1~bpo50+1; sid: 8.4.4-1; sid: 8.4.4-2; squeeze: 8.4.4-2 |
| 15:56.29 | xiaclo | mjmt yeah, just to clarify, it wasn't a dash issue either ... it seems it is using a system call or something, if i remove /bin/echo ... echo doesn't even work, although its built into every shell and works every place else ... gnome-terminal -x bash -c 'command' works great |
| 15:57.35 | nsadmin | if I end up building pg-9 in /usr/local/pgsql (its default location), how can I be compatible with postgresql-common? |
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| 15:59.16 | nsadmin | at the moment I probably have to stick with lenny because it has a pg-7.4.x which I may still need |
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| 16:03.59 | diago | hello, I am in need of php 5.3 for lenny. I came across dotdeb which contains the packages; is this source as good as any? |
| 16:04.21 | thewanderer1 | diago: no, avoid it as hell |
| 16:05.07 | thewanderer1 | if you really need php5.3, please backport it yourself... |
| 16:05.24 | diago | really... wow. Ok |
| 16:06.45 | thewanderer1 | I think you might have problems with some modules, too |
| 16:06.46 | diago | just out of curiosity thewanderer1; why the strong feelings towards dotdeb? |
| 16:07.08 | diago | So running 5.3 on lenny is a bad idea? |
| 16:07.33 | thewanderer1 | I wouldn't say that, but it is not very straightforward as you can see |
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| 16:07.46 | thewanderer1 | I'd rather run Squeeze than install a deb from some site :P |
| 16:08.33 | diago | I can't run a test production server though |
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| 16:08.53 | diago | hmmm, not sure what to do now then |
| 16:08.54 | themill | diago: dotdeb has a reputation for producing quite poor quality packages. I've not looked at their recent work to know if they are keeping up the same standard or not. Almost all the time the "need" for php5.3 isn't really a need at all though and php5.2 will work just fine. |
| 16:09.27 | diago | I'm a php dev and do need some of the 5.3 features |
| 16:09.35 | thewanderer1 | namespaces huh... :P |
| 16:09.47 | thewanderer1 | there's a nice howto on backporting on the debian forums... |
| 16:09.51 | diago | mainly call statics |
| 16:10.01 | diago | ok, I'll look into |
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| 16:10.34 | themill | diago: remember that by requiring php5.3, you're also making it much much harder for anyone to run your code. If you can avoid requiring the latest and greatest all the time, more people will be able to use your code, and that's usually a good thing |
| 16:11.08 | stew | i don't even see 5.3 in their lenny repositories, but maybe I'm looking at the wrong ones |
| 16:11.09 | thewanderer1 | themill: this static thing is a necessity in all OO languages in my opinion, so I'm with him :P |
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| 16:11.33 | cantido | wonders why php needs to be OO |
| 16:11.38 | stew | oh, its a separate repository |
| 16:11.47 | themill | thewanderer1: fine. As long as he doesn't want users who run lenny... |
| 16:12.17 | thewanderer1 | well, I don't see any problems with running a Squeeze development machine (at least that's what I do :P ) |
| 16:12.26 | stew | i was trying to see if they were taking care that they versioned their packages to allow for an upgrade to squeeze |
| 16:12.35 | stew | which it looks like, at least so far, they are |
| 16:12.57 | thewanderer1 | stew: overriding pin priority or sth like that? |
| 16:12.59 | themill | thewanderer1: having your development environment different to the production environment is a recipe for disaster. |
| 16:13.39 | stew | thewanderer1: no, i'm just looking to see that they are keeping their version numbers smaller than the 5.3 in squeeze |
| 16:13.40 | thewanderer1 | alright... bring Squeeze on... |
| 16:13.42 | stew | oh, they aren't, nm |
| 16:14.31 | stew | yeah, they are shipping 5.3.3-0.dotdeb.0 but squeeze has 5.3.2-2, so upgrades to squeeze will require more care |
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| 16:17.36 | themill | thewanderer1: btw static functions have been in php for a very long time, from what I can see, what they've added is string-based dereferencing system for that. I can't say that I know any other OO language that supports that, except perl if you do some double-dereferencing magic. Other OO languages require you to do some heavy reflection first for that sort of thing. |
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| 16:18.02 | thewanderer1 | themill: yes, but you couldn't overload statics and call them in any sane way till php5.3... |
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| 16:18.08 | thewanderer1 | that's why I got Squeeze, too :P |
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| 16:19.02 | sky_1 | what you guys using to prevent against slowloris ? |
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| 16:21.14 | kingcocomango | soo many people |
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| 16:22.42 | thewanderer1 | sky_1: you mean the HTTP DoS attack? Cherokee is said to be able to prevent that... |
| 16:23.07 | sky_1 | thewanderer1: well we are still using apache and cant move for another |
| 16:24.11 | thewanderer1 | hmm... then reduce or get rid of keep-alive |
| 16:24.34 | thewanderer1 | in fact, you can use a HTTP proxy (say, haproxy) which does just that - it didn't even support keepalive until recently |
| 16:29.30 | diago | so squeeze is using the dotdeb packages? |
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| 16:29.52 | stew | diago: no, not at all |
| 16:29.58 | diago | ok, misread then |
| 16:30.18 | nsadmin | ,maint postgresql |
| 16:30.19 | judd | Package postgresql version 7.5.22 was uploaded by Martin Pitt on 2006-12-10, last changed by Martin Pitt and maintained by Martin Pitt. |
| 16:30.40 | nsadmin | hmm, that's old |
| 16:31.00 | nsadmin | that's the etch one isn't it |
| 16:31.20 | nsadmin | ,maint postgresql squeeze |
| 16:31.22 | judd | An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. |
| 16:31.34 | stew | , maint postgresql --release squeeze |
| 16:31.36 | judd | (maint <packagename> [<version>]) -- Return the names of the person who uploaded the package, the person who changed the package prior to upload and the maintainer of the specified source package. If version is omitted, the most recent upload is used. |
| 16:32.02 | nsadmin | most recent upload? don't think so :) |
| 16:32.36 | nsadmin | well let's try versioned |
| 16:32.37 | stew | there is a postgresql-9.0 in experimental and sid |
| 16:32.57 | nsadmin | oh there is? excellent... I can try backporting it |
| 16:33.15 | stew | well, not in sid yet, in incoming, and perhaps might get stopped |
| 16:33.27 | stew | i think its giving the RMs a heart attack that it was uploaded to unstable |
| 16:33.30 | nsadmin | can I get it out of incoming? |
| 16:33.45 | stew | http://incoming.debian.org/ |
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| 16:34.00 | nsadmin | ok, that's very helpful; thanks |
| 16:34.02 | stew | nsadmin: note that it has potentially had zero testing |
| 16:34.26 | nsadmin | that's my purpose in doing it, to test it (with openacs in this case) |
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| 16:34.36 | themill | looks like the changes to the upload_history table in UDD had some other interesting effects |
| 16:34.54 | stew | oh, i guess its already in unstable |
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| 16:36.52 | nsadmin | , versions postgresql-common |
| 16:36.54 | judd | Package postgresql-common on i386 -- etch: 71; etch-backports: 94lenny1~bpo40+1; lenny: 94lenny1; lenny-backports: 105~bpo50+1; sid: 110; squeeze: 110 |
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| 16:38.51 | johnfg | hi guys |
| 16:39.02 | johnfg | I'm running lenny with latest updates. |
| 16:39.40 | johnfg | I'm about to try turning on our sony digital camera, plugged in via usb to see if it's going to freeze up the system, which it always has. |
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| 16:40.13 | johnfg | I had filed a bug report, but never heard anything back from it. Any caveats? |
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| 16:41.39 | jordanm | johnfg: if it freezes up the system, its likely a kernel panic and kernel bug. I have seen often the reporter is just instructed on how to file a bug upstream |
| 16:41.45 | johnfg | Well, it caused a crash of sorts, but at least it didn't freeze everything up, and it's filing a report with kerneloops. |
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| 16:44.50 | diago | I've installed dovecor from backports and the instruction recommend adding a couple of lines for pinning, where do these lines go? |
| 16:45.50 | docgnome | does a user have to be part of the crontab group to be able to have their crons run? I have a cron set in a user's crontab that never runs but the script it's supposed to run works fine when i run it as that user. |
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| 16:46.50 | jordanm | diago: /etc/apt/preferences |
| 16:47.42 | diago | jordanm: thanks |
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| 16:52.49 | thewanderer1 | docgnome: yeah, you need to be in crontab group... you won't edit that without being in the group, anyway |
| 16:53.22 | docgnome | hrm. i can edit with that user but isn't part of the crontab group |
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| 16:58.12 | jhutchins_lt | diago: You can create the file if it doesn't exist. |
| 16:59.50 | diago | jhutchins_lt: ok thanks |
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| 17:11.16 | nsadmin | , maint postgresql-8.3 |
| 17:11.17 | judd | Package postgresql-8.3 version 8.3.9-1 was uploaded by Martin Pitt on 2009-12-15, last changed by Martin Pitt and maintained by Martin Pitt. |
| 17:11.32 | nsadmin | , maint postgresql-8.4 |
| 17:11.34 | judd | Package postgresql-8.4 version 8.4.4-2 was uploaded by Martin Pitt on 2010-07-20, last changed by Martin Pitt and maintained by Martin Pitt. |
| 17:11.44 | nsadmin | that's more like it :) |
| 17:11.59 | themill | nsadmin: btw, you can /msg judd too |
| 17:12.04 | nsadmin | is he here? |
| 17:12.13 | stew | or use packages.debian.org or packages.qa.debian.org |
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| 17:13.42 | diago | I'm going to try the dotdeb packages on our testing server. After some reading other folks seem pretty happy |
| 17:14.23 | nsadmin | diago: have you tried them on nonproduction boxes yet? |
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| 17:15.09 | diago | this is non production. I'm going to move our app over and try to blow it up |
| 17:15.11 | libertad0 | Good afternoon |
| 17:15.14 | diago | YO! |
| 17:15.21 | libertad0 | How I could convert a Debian package to sugar? |
| 17:15.22 | themill | diago: one of the things you're trading is stability for newer versions. You'll have to upgrade and reconfigure things when new versions come out. The upgrade path from dotdeb packages to squeeze's own packages is non-existent.... ripping them all out and then installing the squeeze packages is the easiest path. |
| 17:15.50 | diago | what is squeeze |
| 17:15.53 | diago | s ETA |
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| 17:16.00 | themill | !wwsr |
| 17:16.00 | dpkg | Squeeze is now frozen and will release <WIR>, <SIYH>. See http://lists.debian.org/20100806134418.GC9183@halon.org.uk and http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100806 . Ask me about <squeeze bet>. |
| 17:16.13 | themill | diago: "some time later this year" |
| 17:16.26 | themill | hopefully. |
| 17:16.58 | diago | lol, the years almost up! |
| 17:17.34 | diago | Will probably just stay on lenny for the time being anyway and plan a migration later next year if need be |
| 17:17.50 | diago | There are other apps that rely on lenny so we'd have to wait for them |
| 17:18.35 | nsadmin | maybe it's time to make a list of those and start testing |
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| 17:19.20 | thewanderer1 | how to configure a WiFi bridge on Squeeze/Sid? I have network-manager runninjg |
| 17:19.32 | diago | hopefully the list is done for those guys (virtualmin, open exchange) |
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| 17:20.15 | diago | I here Linux Mint is coming out with a Debian edition... sounds exciting |
| 17:20.27 | diago | *hear |
| 17:20.32 | thewanderer1 | StormOS is also rebasing on Debian |
| 17:20.39 | nsadmin | well ok, but I mean that you should start testing the squeeze version of them yourself to come up with at least an initial idea of what the current status is so that you can make a plan |
| 17:20.41 | thewanderer1 | (OpenSolaris kernel) |
| 17:21.00 | thewanderer1 | I'm unclear on the part when wpa_supplicant is supposed to kick in - should it do this on the bridge? and I doubt that the bridge can accept iwconfig commands... |
| 17:21.31 | thewanderer1 | or do I run wpa_supplicant with the interface and bridge it afterwards? how will network-manager handle that? O.o |
| 17:22.12 | diago | Never heard of StormOS |
| 17:22.25 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
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| 17:23.06 | thewanderer1 | diago: http://stormos.org - very nice, especially now that it's rebasing on Debian (was Ubuntu, because Nexenta migrated to Ubuntu a few years ago - what a bad move of theirs...) and OpenSolaris is dead |
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| 17:29.09 | natefoo | it seems that you should have to prepend owner: to variables in the preseed file to configure packages, as per: http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/amd64/apbs02.html.en#preseed-bootparms |
| 17:29.24 | natefoo | but this isn't always necessary, i'm able to preconfigure libnss-ldap without the prefix. |
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| 17:29.34 | natefoo | whereas my values for cfengine2 aren't set. |
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| 17:30.19 | natefoo | my suspicion is because the ldap questions are always asked, whereas cfengine2 doesn't ask, you have to set them after it's installed (with dpkg-reconfigure or your favorite debconf frontend...) |
| 17:30.27 | natefoo | does this sound right? |
| 17:31.43 | skyride | hey, i was wondering if someone could point me in the direction of some decent instructions on how to use a pen drive as the install medium for debian (I.e. the installer is on a pen drive as opposed to a disk drive) |
| 17:32.01 | natefoo | oh, complete misunderstanding, that's when you are putting those options in the boot params. |
| 17:32.10 | jordanm | natefoo: you might need to adjust the debconf priority so that those questions get asked |
| 17:32.36 | jordanm | AFAIK, only priority=critical is asked on installation by default |
| 17:33.10 | natefoo | and if the questions are not asked, the preseeded values will not be set? |
| 17:35.16 | stew | skyride: /msg dpkg usb-install |
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| 17:36.59 | skyride | stew, cheers |
| 17:37.25 | jordanm | natefoo: I would only assume, I don't have much experience with preseeding |
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| 17:38.34 | natefoo | hmm, okay. |
| 17:39.45 | fhffhqvb | gcc (Debian 4.4.4-8) 4.4.5 20100728 (prerelease) appears to be broken in some way. what version of gcc do i need to compile a 2.6 kernel? |
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| 17:40.39 | jordanm | fhffhqvb: broken? |
| 17:40.59 | fhffhqvb | jordanm: spits out errors, then decides it can't compile the kernel. |
| 17:41.04 | thewanderer1 | fhffhqvb: anything including 4.3 and above should work... I don't know if it still works with 4.2 |
| 17:41.23 | jordanm | fhffhqvb: what errors? are you using kernel-package? |
| 17:41.36 | fhffhqvb | i tried kernel-package and manually. both break. |
| 17:42.07 | jordanm | !errors |
| 17:42.08 | dpkg | If you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized errors> too. Please don't paste in the channel, use a pastebin instead; ask me about <pastebin>. |
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| 17:42.59 | thewanderer1 | fhffhqvb: where did you get that gcc from? |
| 17:43.06 | thewanderer1 | experimental? |
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| 17:43.33 | jordanm | thewanderer1: its the squeeze version |
| 17:43.38 | jordanm | ,versions gcc-4.4 |
| 17:43.39 | judd | Package gcc-4.4 on i386 -- squeeze: 4.4.4-8; sid: 4.4.4-15 |
| 17:43.47 | thewanderer1 | hm yeah, it is |
| 17:43.50 | thewanderer1 | okay... |
| 17:44.02 | jordanm | thewanderer1: its confusing if you look at the "gcc" package |
| 17:44.12 | thewanderer1 | that's what I did :P |
| 17:44.54 | thewanderer1 | strange... I didn't notice any problems with this compiler so far |
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| 17:45.32 | superlinux | hi all. |
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| 17:45.37 | jordanm | we still don't know what the problem is, or what exactly he was doing.. he could have applied custom patches causing to fail or anything else |
| 17:45.51 | jelly-home | dpkg, sing fhffhqvb |
| 17:45.51 | dpkg | o/~ fhffhqvb, whfg fnl gur jbeq; fh-fh-fhffhqvb o/~ |
| 17:46.13 | stew | excellent |
| 17:46.21 | fhffhqvb | i'm deleting everything and starting over again. i'm pretty sure it was a clean linux 2.6.32 to start with. |
| 17:46.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | wut? |
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| 17:46.52 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: it will not be explained, figure it out yourself |
| 17:46.56 | jordanm | fhffhqvb: what changes are you making that will cause it to be different from the debian provided .32? |
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| 17:47.26 | superlinux | because I have used the backports repository, some of the dependency tree paths are not updating smoothly.. so I want a tool that can help fixing everything without loosing my gui |
| 17:47.34 | superlinux | is there a way? |
| 17:48.00 | stew | superlinux: give us an example of somehting not updating smothly |
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| 17:48.01 | jordanm | superlinux: what do you mean by not updating smoothly? do you have some aptitude output you can show as an example? |
| 17:48.25 | stew | superlinux: and what are you updating from -> to? |
| 17:48.50 | Bushmills | superlinux: yes, there is a way |
| 17:49.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, must I? |
| 17:49.18 | nsadmin | superlinux, partially, they want an easier time of helping you, and that's reasonable given how much you're paying for the help |
| 17:49.23 | superlinux | well there is a newer package is installed already but the installer asks for an older version |
| 17:49.42 | jordanm | superlinux: can you pastebin this output? |
| 17:49.45 | superlinux | and I get that so much |
| 17:50.00 | stew | superlinux: what package, what versions? |
| 17:50.05 | stew | superlinux: /msg dpkg bat |
| 17:50.18 | superlinux | let me check my command history |
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| 17:50.43 | jordanm | superlinux: also, provide the output of "apt-cache policy" along with your pastebin |
| 17:50.44 | nsadmin | superlinux: version of debian? version of the thing you're trying to install? pastebin all error messages together with all command lines that produced them, in order, exact text. |
| 17:50.58 | superlinux | i use synaptic most of the time |
| 17:51.02 | jordanm | I would assume he is using lenny if backports are involved |
| 17:51.14 | stew | or etch |
| 17:51.21 | superlinux | yes jordanm ! I am on lenny |
| 17:51.30 | stew | superlinux: and you are upgrading to squeeze? |
| 17:51.37 | superlinux | i am always on latest stable |
| 17:51.42 | superlinux | nop! |
| 17:52.26 | nsadmin | but you're using backports... is there anything else you're using other than debian repos, backports and security? |
| 17:52.31 | superlinux | but I added testing distro just to get none available software |
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| 17:52.41 | nsadmin | ohhh |
| 17:52.54 | superlinux | nsadmin, not everything of course |
| 17:53.12 | nsadmin | and you just got thru saying "I am on lenny"... in soviet russia, lenny is on YOU! |
| 17:53.32 | superlinux | and I i force install some packages so as not to inter mix with backports |
| 17:53.43 | nsadmin | installed anything that came from testing? |
| 17:54.04 | nsadmin | or, scratch that... |
| 17:54.23 | jordanm | superlinux: if you added testing to your sources.list, and did an update/upgrade without defining pinning rules, you run testing now |
| 17:54.28 | jelly-home | superlinux: you can't use binary repos for testing on stable and expect to have a stable system, the dependencies will ruin it. Use backports or make your own local backports if required |
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| 17:54.31 | jordanm | superlinux: please see the bat factoid and provide some output |
| 17:54.43 | nsadmin | make a list of everything that came from testing, and pastebin the output of apt-cache policy <pkg> for each <pkg> that came from testing |
| 17:55.06 | stew | (apt-show-versions might help here) |
| 17:55.47 | categore | hey guys. anyone got an acer aspire one 150x with debian running? im getting some weird USB errors while booting.. |
| 17:55.56 | nsadmin | that could be of help... but really, because the testing source exists in your sources.list, that doesn't need any other explanation... that is it can completely explain the "nonsmoothness" you refer to |
| 17:57.15 | categore | device descriptor read/64 error -71 |
| 17:59.13 | superlinux | jelly-home, , on synaptic "stable" is my prefered distro. this is my apt-cache policy http://pastebin.com/spam.php?i=0C41yMdD |
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| 18:00.39 | Tweaky | hi. anyone know if i can add more programs to the Sendto plugin in nautalus other than what is there? |
| 18:01.00 | natefoo | this is crazy, apt cycles between installing exim4-daemon-heavy and exim4-daemon-light when i try to install *postfix*, which it never installs: http://pastebin.com/Wpv5nRcH |
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| 18:01.21 | stew | what a mess |
| 18:01.35 | jelly-home | superlinux: yeah. Don't do that. |
| 18:01.35 | stew | superlinux: please stop using ftp.debian.org ; use a mirror instead: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 18:01.46 | stew | superlinux: don't use "stable" use a release name like "lenny" |
| 18:01.58 | superlinux | stew, why? |
| 18:02.05 | stew | superlinux: for which? |
| 18:02.18 | superlinux | stew, why i must not use "stable"? |
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| 18:02.42 | superlinux | what i know it points to the latest stable |
| 18:02.43 | stew | superlinux: because when stable changes from one codename to another, you get yourself into the "partial mix of two releases" mess that you are currently in |
| 18:02.59 | superlinux | ok.. fine |
| 18:03.29 | superlinux | so what should I do now? |
| 18:03.33 | nsadmin | categore, you would need to be very specific, informative and complete about your situation. Exact text of all error messages pastebinned would be helpful, exact command lines that produced those error messages are probably required too. if you're noticing I'm not quite perceiving your exact problem, you get a "P" grade, for Perception. people want to help you. you want help. make it easy. |
| 18:03.44 | stew | superlinux: what version of libc6 is installed right now? |
| 18:03.47 | superlinux | i mean what do you recommend |
| 18:03.53 | superlinux | just a minute |
| 18:03.59 | superlinux | i am on amd64 |
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| 18:04.42 | docgnome | any one know why there isn't a bootchart package for testing? just cause no one has built one? there is one for sid and for lenny which is why i ask |
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| 18:05.02 | nsadmin | whatz boootchart? |
| 18:05.03 | superlinux | stew, 2.11.2-2 is libc6 |
| 18:05.42 | stew | superlinux: and you want to be running stable or testing? |
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| 18:05.52 | superlinux | well stable |
| 18:05.54 | nsadmin | docgnome: if there are bugs in the one in testing, it goes back to unstable |
| 18:05.58 | stew | superlinux: i'd recommend reinstalling then |
| 18:06.04 | superlinux | mmm |
| 18:06.09 | docgnome | nsadmin: collects information on your boot process and which you can then turn into an image via bootchart-view |
| 18:06.13 | superlinux | then let the system as is |
| 18:06.20 | superlinux | it's working already |
| 18:06.26 | superlinux | working fine |
| 18:06.44 | stew | superlinux: i'd keep it off the internet then, since it won't be getting security upgrades |
| 18:06.48 | nsadmin | superlinux, in that case it would not always be easy to help you... |
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| 18:07.12 | nsadmin | in which case people would want to charge you for the service |
| 18:07.34 | superlinux | i just wanted some script which can tell me where are the glitches in the tree.. I can fix them then |
| 18:07.50 | nsadmin | so write that script |
| 18:08.05 | stew | the script is chapter 4 of the release notes |
| 18:08.17 | jhutchins_lt | stew: Seen any network exploits covered by recent updates? |
| 18:08.19 | stew | superlinux: follow the upgrade procedure from lenny->squeeze in the squeeze release notes |
| 18:08.26 | stew | superlinux: or /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 18:08.33 | superlinux | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:08.40 | nsadmin | squeeze has release notes? |
| 18:08.43 | stew | superlinux: (this is upgrading you to testing) |
| 18:09.21 | superlinux | ok.. i understood |
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| 18:09.43 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: network exploits no, but Ac1db1tch3s or sth like that was a pretty serious local flaw being capable of bringing down / rooting any system, including breaking out of OpenVZ... |
| 18:09.50 | superlinux | looks like i am not following the debian news |
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| 18:10.38 | superlinux | do you recommend me upgrade to testing? |
| 18:10.41 | thewanderer1 | and I guess 90% of Debian systems are still not updated against it :P |
| 18:10.47 | stew | superlinux: definately not for a production server |
| 18:11.10 | superlinux | it's still not a server, but own everyday desktop |
| 18:11.18 | nsadmin | jeezooz dude... have you been hiding in the sand? you've been around for like 3-4 months at least |
| 18:11.24 | stew | superlinux: is security important? |
| 18:11.29 | superlinux | but I hate crashes |
| 18:11.54 | superlinux | not really as I am behind a NATed DSL modem |
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| 18:12.21 | superlinux | I know it can be still hacked, but still the modem is an impediment |
| 18:12.30 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: local exploits are a dime a dozen, this one is not worth the media publicity it gets |
| 18:13.20 | superlinux | i think i should keep it lenny |
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| 18:13.45 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: tell that to hosting providers who can lose whole machines if any customer runs this particular code... :P |
| 18:13.46 | stew | superlinux: if you want it to be lenny, i'd recommend reinstalling |
| 18:14.03 | superlinux | when should i update to squeeze? what's the final release date? |
| 18:14.27 | thewanderer1 | there's no release date - you'll see when it is released |
| 18:14.41 | superlinux | ah ok |
| 18:15.01 | superlinux | but is expected when? |
| 18:15.11 | stew | superlinux: 2010 |
| 18:15.19 | nsadmin | superlinux: have you upgraded after adding testing lines to your sources.list? |
| 18:15.30 | stew | nsadmin: yes |
| 18:15.34 | stew | nsadmin: at least somethings |
| 18:15.39 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Those particular vulnerabilities require hostile users with physical access - a fairly unusual situation, certainly not a zombie army marching down the intertubes. |
| 18:15.45 | superlinux | some things |
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| 18:15.59 | nsadmin | did it bring in stuff you may not have expected? |
| 18:16.03 | jhutchins_lt | superlinux: testing is not an upgrade, it is an experiment. Do not allow people to mislead you. |
| 18:16.26 | superlinux | i do know that jhutchins_lt |
| 18:16.27 | stew | nsadmin: the only thing we've gotten him to tell us afaik is that libc6 is now at testing |
| 18:16.51 | nsadmin | so he's not in... |
| 18:16.58 | nsadmin | !cooperation in asking for help |
| 18:16.58 | dpkg | well, cooperation in asking for help is trying to give as much relevant information as possible and reading cited documentation. Ask me about <sicco> and <research>. Abbreviated as <cia> |
| 18:17.19 | superlinux | let me see if I simulate a downgrade on libc6 what will happen |
| 18:18.11 | stew | superlinux: note that downgrading isn't supported by the package maintainence scripts, so you'll have to take care with downgrading packages to handle whatever needs to be handled manually |
| 18:18.57 | superlinux | it looks like it's going to take down the whole system with it |
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| 18:19.06 | nsadmin | let us know when you're willing to more completely answer questions... (this means not making it seem we have to pull your teeth for the answers) |
| 18:19.30 | superlinux | ah ok |
| 18:19.39 | superlinux | nsadmin, ok fine |
| 18:20.40 | superlinux | i am just tired. I cam from work an 3 hours ago only. and yesterday i had a bad time sleeping well |
| 18:21.12 | superlinux | that's why you are pulling my answers.. hehe! |
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| 18:25.44 | rgr | whats the name of the graphical tool to set a fixed ip? my dns has given up the ghost and I need to set a fixed ip on this machine. |
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| 18:28.18 | mugwort13 | is there an estimated release date for debian 6.0? I see it is frozen so I am getting eager. |
| 18:28.19 | jhutchins_lt | rgr: What would that have to do with pictures? |
| 18:28.32 | jhutchins_lt | mugwort13: When It's Ready. |
| 18:28.54 | mugwort13 | lol, ok |
| 18:29.15 | stew | mugwort13: 2010 |
| 18:29.22 | jhutchins_lt | mugwort13: That's what we love about debian, they don't release broken crap just to meet a schedule. |
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| 18:30.07 | nsadmin | superlinux: don't take this as harping... tht's your stuff... the moment you realize that, and that overall you're the one in control of all your energy, and you TAKE that control completely, that brings possibilities |
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| 18:33.14 | superlinux | nsadmin, thanks |
| 18:33.17 | mugwort13 | Based on people's experience, would it be feasible to setup a 5.0 production server now, and then upgrade when 6.0 comes out? Or should I keep what I have now and then consider building a new server after 6.0 is released? I have never used debian as my main server, so I am trying to plan right. |
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| 18:34.18 | thewanderer1 | mugwort13: breaking news - as opposed to Ubuntu, it is actually possible to upgrade a Debian install without breaking half of your system :P |
| 18:34.42 | thewanderer1 | (no need to reinstall... ever...) |
| 18:34.51 | mugwort13 | thewanderer1: oh heck no, I will not use ubuntu , period. |
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| 18:35.47 | jhutchins_lt | mugwort13: What is it you have now? |
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| 18:37.18 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: For the record squeeze still breaks my system. |
| 18:37.32 | jordanm | blames intel for that |
| 18:37.47 | jhutchins_lt | Haven't been able to get wifi working without a gui manager either. |
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| 18:38.05 | jhutchins_lt | jordanm: Hard to blame intel when it wasn't intell who changed anything. |
| 18:38.22 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: on my iwl3945, if I want to configure via CLI instead of gui, i just have to stop network manage and *reload* the kernel module |
| 18:38.56 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: I thought you had one of the two intel GPUs that had issues with the new KMS? |
| 18:38.57 | jhutchins_lt | I've gone so far as to reboot, the system doesn't seem to pick up the ssid and key from the conf file. |
| 18:39.01 | thewanderer1 | well, my system gets broken by Lenny, Squeeze, Sid... beat that :P |
| 18:39.23 | jhutchins_lt | jordanm: Yes, but it's a system that's worked fine for several years until the latest xorg/kms stuff. |
| 18:39.38 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: ah, I never try to do permanent configuration for CLI, I always felt that /etc/network/interfaces was lacking too much for that |
| 18:39.48 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: perhaps the curses interface for wicd would be good for you |
| 18:39.51 | thewanderer1 | well, network-manager is known to be capable of wireless magic where manual config fails and leaves you wondering |
| 18:40.03 | jhutchins_lt | jordanm: Possibly, what's that called? |
| 18:40.05 | thewanderer1 | network-manager has a CLI too |
| 18:40.08 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: yes, well, I am still pretty sure intel is resposible for that driver that handles kms |
| 18:40.11 | thewanderer1 | (and it works, yay) |
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| 18:40.22 | jordanm | ,versions wicd-curses |
| 18:40.22 | jhutchins_lt | jordanm: I basically just don't want to have to lug this upstairs to do squeeze updates and see if it's fixed yet. |
| 18:40.24 | judd | Package wicd-curses on i386 -- sid: 1.7.0+ds1-5; squeeze: 1.7.0+ds1-5 |
| 18:40.42 | jhutchins_lt | Thx, will look into that. |
| 18:40.45 | jordanm | hmm, there are backports for the gui, not sure why not the curses interface |
| 18:40.59 | jhutchins_lt | Doesn't need 'em? |
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| 18:41.22 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: anyways, IIRC there was fix to just diable KMS, which should be documented in the release notes. if not, i would file a bug against the notes |
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| 18:41.40 | thewanderer1 | !nokms |
| 18:42.39 | thewanderer1 | disabling KMS is not very straightforward, last time I had to do this in 2 or 3 places |
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| 18:44.08 | jordanm | ha! I actually just opened my email to see: Bug#594338: marked as done ([865G] xserver-xorg-video-intel: with KMS off, X is totally unusable) |
| 18:44.24 | jordanm | so perhaps the fix was broken, as I believe that one was one of problematic chips |
| 18:44.32 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: It breaks one way with it enabled and another way without it. There were problems with the newer intel drivers in 2009 as well. |
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| 18:45.04 | jhutchins_lt | jordanm: Oh, that sounds good! Might be fixed if I just update! |
| 18:45.04 | mugwort13 | jhutchins_lt: Now I have openbsd, but I need something more developers are writing software for, the ports system is neat and all, but very frustrating. |
| 18:45.36 | jhutchins_lt | mugwort13: In that case I can highly recommend Debian Stable (currently Lenny); wait for release to upgrade to squeeze. |
| 18:45.56 | thewanderer1 | yeah, plus you won't get the feeling that you're missing out on security :P |
| 18:45.58 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: thats literally less than 15min old, I doubt its available yet. my guess would be in "incomming" |
| 18:46.18 | jhutchins_lt | Lovely! I can even procrastinate some more!\ |
| 18:46.24 | mugwort13 | jhutchins_lt: ok, thanks. |
| 18:46.46 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: 2:2.12.0+shadow-1 and it is going into unstable |
| 18:46.50 | jhutchins_lt | I run two commercial servers and my own home server, plus all my desktops on it. |
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| 18:47.28 | jhutchins_lt | jordanm: That's great, I know a couple of distros that just swept it under the rug - who cares about older hardware, we want jiggly windows! |
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| 18:47.40 | jordanm | hehe |
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| 18:48.40 | thewanderer1 | huh, on this hardware (i815? 845? I don't really remember the name...) the GLX is so buggy that a windowed app can take the whole screen with random parts of the picture :P |
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| 18:49.35 | brodul | Hi, how to intal just one unstable packed and the dependencies |
| 18:49.39 | brodul | *install |
| 18:50.33 | jordanm | !tell brodul about ssb |
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| 18:52.01 | brodul | yea I know about backports |
| 18:52.23 | brodul | shall i add to sources.list just for the install |
| 18:52.26 | brodul | and then remove |
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| 18:54.25 | thewanderer1 | you can actually keep that if you use apt pinning |
| 18:54.30 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: support for chips older than i915 seems to be getting erratic |
| 18:54.40 | thewanderer1 | !pinning |
| 18:54.40 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
| 18:54.44 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: yeah... |
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| 18:55.06 | thewanderer1 | that's why I put in my GeForce 2 which sounds like a harvester at full swing |
| 18:55.21 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: I have an i915GM and don't even bother reporting Render (think antialiased fonts) aftifacts |
| 18:55.36 | jelly-home | artifacts either. |
| 18:56.13 | brodul | tnx for info |
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| 18:56.20 | natefoo | more preseed questions - is it possible to change the debconf priority per-package? |
| 18:59.13 | thewanderer1 | new hardware barely supported, old hardware not supported anymore... hmm, strange things are happening in Debian :P |
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| 19:02.39 | fhffhqvb | just wondering... is there such a thing as an autoconfigurator for kernels? something that looks at what your system has and leaves out all the things that you don't in the .config? |
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| 19:05.04 | thewanderer1 | fhffhqvb: it's called "call a buddy to go through the steps for you" |
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| 19:05.06 | jordanm | fhffhqvb: not extactly, but an initrd is close |
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| 19:06.12 | fhffhqvb | jordanm: that still leaves you with a large kernel image |
| 19:06.16 | cahoot | isn't an initrd rather the opposite? |
| 19:06.38 | cahoot | err scratch that |
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| 19:07.10 | jordanm | fhffhqvb: not really |
| 19:07.43 | jordanm | fhffhqvb: as a former gentoo user, I can say it is *really* a pain to recompile your kernel because you need feature A for a particular application to work properly |
| 19:07.45 | fhffhqvb | jordanm: it won't fit on a floppy, will it. |
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| 19:08.19 | jordanm | fhffhqvb: that is the goal? |
| 19:08.45 | fhffhqvb | jordanm: yes. |
| 19:08.48 | jordanm | all the "stuff you don't need" would be compiled as a module, and would not be part of the image size. you will want to strip features |
| 19:08.57 | jordanm | as far as drivers |
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| 19:10.08 | thewanderer1 | you really need to do everything by hand if you need to strip the kernel down |
| 19:10.08 | jordanm | personally, I would use something designed to be used via floppy (*not* sarge :P) |
| 19:10.21 | thewanderer1 | well, buildroot is nice |
| 19:11.06 | fhffhqvb | i bought some floppies on sale, only to figure out i can't build a rescue disk because it won't fit on there. |
| 19:11.19 | fhffhqvb | most of my old floppies are fucked. |
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| 19:11.35 | jordanm | they are obsolete for a reason :) |
| 19:11.40 | jelly-home | fhffhqvb: people tried to do that a few times and failed. One of those people is now a blogger and a gun nut, goes by ESR |
| 19:12.20 | thewanderer1 | if you need to build a rescue system, use buildroot and really compile what you only need |
| 19:12.23 | fhffhqvb | jelly-home: these guns are not open source, are they. |
| 19:12.29 | thewanderer1 | you're not getting Debian anyway |
| 19:12.41 | thewanderer1 | well, why would you use a floppy when you can use pendrives / PXE boot? |
| 19:12.42 | jelly-home | fhffhqvb: just saying, see what messing with the kernel gets you. Be careful out there. |
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| 19:13.06 | fhffhqvb | thewanderer1: Piggy doesn't boot off usb. |
| 19:13.11 | thewanderer1 | knows that at around 2.6.24 it was possible to get a working kernel in about 900KB |
| 19:13.29 | thewanderer1 | fhffhqvb: what does not boot? |
| 19:13.49 | Piggy | squeels |
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| 19:14.28 | fhffhqvb | it's an asus p2b-ds. |
| 19:15.23 | jordanm | fhffhqvb: http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 19:15.41 | jordanm | apparently, you can use your floppy to boot the usb, in the case the machine can boot from floppy but not usb |
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| 19:16.22 | Alystair | are the daily build installers known to sometimes not actually boot sometimes? |
| 19:16.28 | cantido | if you really can't boot anything but floppys you could just take the drive out and boot it up in qemu on another machine |
| 19:16.30 | fhffhqvb | for some reason, i had a hard time getting anything to boot off the scsi cdrom drive too. |
| 19:16.44 | Alystair | I recently downloaded a net install ISO and it simply refused to boot from there |
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| 19:17.01 | fhffhqvb | cantido: i don't have a 68 pin scsi controller in any other pc. |
| 19:17.06 | cmihai | Hm... is there something more I can do than "kill -9" to kill an unresponding dpkg? |
| 19:17.16 | cmihai | seems to completly ignore kill -9 |
| 19:17.29 | fhffhqvb | stake to the heart? |
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| 19:17.41 | cantido | fhffhqvb: ah,.. if the machine has scsi though surely it can do a PXE boot? |
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| 19:18.08 | fhffhqvb | cantido: i am unsure. i think i tried that once with unsatisfactory results. |
| 19:18.15 | cmihai | That Maybe gdb can help :-\ |
| 19:18.27 | stew | cmihai: is it in the D state? |
| 19:18.30 | stew | (must be) |
| 19:18.54 | cantido | fhffhqvb: mmm you might be able to find an old floppy distro and use that to copy files into place |
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| 19:19.08 | jintxo | dmesg |
| 19:19.11 | [Jasper] | hej guys, for some reason I can't get my networking device working |
| 19:19.20 | [Jasper] | ifup shows its uop |
| 19:19.22 | cmihai | Umh, kill i gdb froze gdb also :-)) |
| 19:19.27 | cantido | fhffhqvb: i.e. if it has enough drivers to get the machine networked you could debootstrap a rootfs somewhere else and then copy it over |
| 19:19.28 | [Jasper] | but I can't ping anything...no name or ip |
| 19:19.45 | fhffhqvb | i copied the entire drive contents to an ide drive, just in case it may become unbootable at some time. |
| 19:20.06 | cmihai | stew: 0 D root 24742 |
| 19:20.07 | cmihai | Yup. |
| 19:20.08 | fhffhqvb | there's a _lot_ of channel logs on there. |
| 19:20.29 | stew | cmihai: so its uninterruptable. Its probably waiting on IO to complete |
| 19:20.36 | cmihai | Riiight. |
| 19:20.39 | cantido | fhffhqvb: there are SCSI->IDE adapters if you don't need it right away ;) |
| 19:20.42 | cmihai | D Uninterruptible sleep (usually IO) |
| 19:20.43 | cmihai | Great. |
| 19:20.47 | fhffhqvb | #debian logs going back to january 2003, actually. |
| 19:20.51 | cmihai | Can't gdb do something or must I reboot to actually run dpkg again? |
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| 19:21.11 | cantido | wonders what gdb would do for it |
| 19:21.15 | stew | cmihai: you can wait for the io to complete |
| 19:21.23 | cmihai | It's been a while now :-) |
| 19:21.25 | [Jasper] | anyone here that can help me diagnosethis problem? |
| 19:21.56 | stew | cmihai: its perhaps waiting on a resource that no longer exists |
| 19:22.07 | cmihai | Possible. |
| 19:22.10 | Alystair | augh what is going on here :/ |
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| 19:22.31 | cmihai | "ptrace: Operation not permitted." when I tried using gdb. Hm... |
| 19:22.32 | Alystair | I download the netinstaller for squeeze, iso seems to download fine.. refuses to load in vmware |
| 19:22.44 | Alystair | i386 version seems to work fine.. |
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| 19:23.01 | cantido | Alystair: so you mean the amd64 one refuses to load? |
| 19:23.28 | Alystair | cantido: it seems to open up fine inside windows7 (using Clone Drive) |
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| 19:23.38 | Alystair | yet mounting it inside vmware or using clonedrive doesn't seem to work |
| 19:23.57 | cantido | Alystair: what do you mean "doesn't seem to work"?.. vmware doesn't boot it? |
| 19:24.01 | cmihai | Of course, because I already have a gdb attached. The one that froze. |
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| 19:24.03 | cmihai | Bloody hell. |
| 19:24.09 | Alystair | cantido: exactly |
| 19:24.27 | Alystair | oh. |
| 19:24.37 | Alystair | nevermind got it working |
| 19:24.42 | cmihai | Got a problem? Try gdb. Now you have 2 problems :-)) |
| 19:24.49 | thewanderer1 | is it already possible to run Debian from a fuse root filesystem? |
| 19:25.00 | thewanderer1 | (ZFS root, anyone? :) ) |
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| 19:25.23 | Alystair | cantido: loading it directly through Vmware seemed to solve the problem, the first time it looked like the iso was corrupt |
| 19:25.32 | stew | cmihai: ignore the problem? |
| 19:25.34 | cantido | thewanderer1: if you understand chroot and pivot root you can run it where ever you like |
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| 19:25.42 | stew | cmihai: or is this causing some other problem? |
| 19:26.08 | cantido | Alystair: you probably don't want to "mount" it.. to be bootable the "machine" needs access to everything, not just the files |
| 19:26.29 | thewanderer1 | cantido: great, another trip into initramfs for me :) |
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| 19:27.05 | cantido | thewanderer1: it's possible it's already there. I seem to remember the current initramfs tools being pretty flexible though |
| 19:27.13 | cmihai | stew: well, I can no longer use apt or dpkg. |
| 19:27.18 | cantido | thewanderer1: from what I remember it isn't hard to customise |
| 19:27.18 | cmihai | And I've been sort of upgrading dpkg :-) |
| 19:27.22 | cmihai | So I'm kind of worried... |
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| 19:28.16 | thewanderer1 | cantido: I know, I did that a few times... |
| 19:28.38 | thewanderer1 | I was just thinking about the possible implications of running Debian with ZFS root |
| 19:28.42 | cantido | guesses fuse would be a bit like root over NFS |
| 19:28.53 | thewanderer1 | well, I do root over NFS on a daily basis... |
| 19:29.15 | thewanderer1 | just that Debian doesn't require any modification at all for that one :P |
| 19:29.58 | cantido | thewanderer1: it might already work.. :) |
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| 19:30.21 | stew | cmihai: does dpkg have any child processes still running? |
| 19:30.25 | thewanderer1 | is eager to see apt-clone on ZFS on Debian... |
| 19:31.00 | stew | cmihai: if those are all dead, you could probably remove the lockfile and continue. since you've sent -9 to the dpkg process, it shouldn't be doing anything else |
| 19:31.01 | cmihai | no |
| 19:31.09 | cmihai | No children. |
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| 19:31.23 | stew | cmihai: aany idea what it might have blocked on? |
| 19:31.41 | cmihai | ENOCLUE |
| 19:31.46 | cmihai | Nuke /var/lib/dpkg/lock, right? |
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| 19:36.47 | cmihai | Yeah, that's the one. At least it looks like the kernel detects it. dmesg: [325080.312218] INFO: task dpkg:24742 blocked for more than 120 seconds. |
| 19:37.25 | rgr | during an update I got the "E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'libc6'.Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2)" problem. is there a one liner fix? Google has numerous suggestions but nothing that seems official. Lots say the referenced man page does not solve the issue. Squeeze. |
| 19:38.03 | thewanderer1 | what's a GUI for sqlite3? I'm looking for a package that is to sqlite3 as MySQL Workbench is to MySQL Server |
| 19:38.38 | stew | rgr: what version of libc6 are you installing? |
| 19:39.02 | rgr | stew: I'm not personally installing anything - its being dragged in after an aptitude update/upgrade |
| 19:39.17 | stew | rgr: what version of libc6 is being installed? |
| 19:39.38 | rgr | weird. 2.11.2-5 it says. |
| 19:39.52 | rgr | is that right for squeeze? |
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| 19:40.44 | rgr | I hadnt done an update for a while. |
| 19:41.05 | cmihai | http://paste.lisp.org/display/114726 something about semaphores :-\. ipcs doesn't list any for root. Looks... strange. |
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| 19:42.08 | fipu | hello |
| 19:42.28 | stew | rgr: did you check the bts? |
| 19:42.30 | rgr | is it some bug in dependencies? |
| 19:42.32 | fipu | How can I set up that a user can only see it's own processes @ ps aux ? |
| 19:42.37 | rgr | bts? |
| 19:42.42 | stew | yeah |
| 19:42.52 | rgr | I dont know what bts is. |
| 19:43.01 | stew | rgr: the bug tracking system |
| 19:43.08 | rgr | well I googled |
| 19:43.34 | rgr | I havent installed anything either for months on this machine, its just a routine update. |
| 19:44.05 | thewanderer1 | where do I find qt3 themes / styles? right now I only have CDE, Motif, Platinum, SGI and Windows, and apps look ugly... |
| 19:45.39 | rgr | putting the keywords there doesnt seem to help. I guess this isnt commonplace and just a temporary hiccup then? |
| 19:46.22 | stew | rgr: did you read the Immediate-Configure documentation in apt.conf? |
| 19:47.14 | rgr | As I said, according to google this doesnt address it. I didnt wan to run it with something as critical unless I can find a confirmation it works. |
| 19:47.22 | rgr | but ... |
| 19:47.33 | stew | what do you mean by "this doesnt address it"? |
| 19:47.43 | fipu | Does anyone have an idea? |
| 19:47.49 | fipu | How can I set up that a user can only see it's own processes @ ps aux? |
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| 19:48.17 | stew | fipu: you'd need to patch the kernel. I believe the grsecurity patches will include this, but I haven't run them in many years |
| 19:48.22 | JanSch | hi, is there a way to list all packages in the package list, no matter if installed or not, that depend (directly or indirectly) on a certain package? |
| 19:48.27 | rgr | Setting the immediate option didnt work for others with the same issue. I'll try it. nothing else to lose since my machine is stuck. |
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| 19:49.53 | stew | JanSch: I think the "or indirectly" might be a problem |
| 19:51.06 | stew | JanSch: perhaps with some scripting. maybe with recursive calls to aptitude search '~D___', perhaps parsing the apt-cache dotty output |
| 19:52.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | JanSch, apt-rdepends |
| 19:52.10 | fipu | mhhh |
| 19:52.31 | fipu | stew: you believe? |
| 19:52.42 | stew | fipu: yes |
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| 19:54.38 | p3rror | hello |
| 19:54.42 | JanSch | thx |
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| 19:55.09 | stew | fipu: it did at one time. I've not used the patches in many years though |
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| 19:57.53 | rgr | stew: the man page doesnt help. It doesn give an example how to change the default. it also says its very dangerous. Im afraid I might end up with worse conditions. Googling and reading the man page I also cant see a clear example of what the Apt::immediate-configure should be set to in the apt.conf. |
| 19:59.10 | stew | rgr: did you try configuring libc6? |
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| 19:59.30 | stew | rgr: or just installing it? |
| 19:59.31 | Bushmills | JanSch: apt-cache rdepends package might do |
| 19:59.40 | rgr | this is all new to me. COnfiguring libc6? Its libc6 thats refusing to install. |
| 19:59.54 | stew | rgr: try installing it |
| 19:59.56 | rgr | ok |
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| 20:00.09 | stew | (which is what the manpage tellss you to do iirc) |
| 20:00.22 | JanSch | Bushmills: thanks, I am currently running the apt-rdepends suggested by CutMeOwnThroat, that works (using -r) - probably is the same |
| 20:01.04 | Bushmills | i should read bottom to top when trying to catch up |
| 20:01.04 | p3rror | i have some trouble with my iptables scripts |
| 20:01.18 | JanSch | darn, that list's looong. im just looking at what applications will be hurt by the bzip2 security issue. on linux updating the lib will do, on windows, its gonna be a major pita. |
| 20:01.21 | rgr | this is starting to get messy ;( E: /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.11.2-5_i386.deb: subprocess new pre-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
| 20:01.30 | p3rror | well i use firehol and all thinks seems to be ok |
| 20:01.49 | p3rror | the problem is that i'm enable to access lan services |
| 20:02.09 | p3rror | even i've marked that policy accept |
| 20:02.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | Bushmills, apt-cache rdepends doesn't recurse |
| 20:02.28 | Bushmills | p3rror: using an iptables rules generator is often more complicated for doing specific things than by writing iptables rules directly |
| 20:02.50 | p3rror | right |
| 20:03.03 | p3rror | i've my own script that i used for a while |
| 20:03.09 | stew | rgr: if you haven't checked the bts yet, i'd check it |
| 20:03.15 | nsadmin | unless the generator happens to write rules for your exact purpose |
| 20:03.23 | stew | rgr: you also should consider running the preinst set -x to see where it fails |
| 20:03.24 | p3rror | well i think that firehol is more secure and have more features |
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| 20:03.39 | nsadmin | more features... than what? |
| 20:03.40 | p3rror | please see here http://pastebin.com/ZD98ZJX5 |
| 20:03.56 | fipu | stew: ok, thank's. I will try this |
| 20:03.57 | rgr | I did, but its search facility didnt pinpoint anything. now my synaptic and patitude dont work. missing library libgcc_s.so |
| 20:03.58 | nsadmin | more features than your own script? |
| 20:04.48 | nsadmin | what do you want more features to do? |
| 20:04.51 | rgr | stew can I directly download that missing .so file from somewhere? |
| 20:05.07 | nsadmin | I'm confusing myself asking these questions too :P |
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| 20:05.32 | stew | rgr: i'd see why the preinst fails first |
| 20:05.46 | rgr | I cant run either aptitude or synaptic now. |
| 20:06.43 | rgr | the bts search facility seems somewhat unique |
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| 20:09.39 | nsadmin | p3rror: what do you want more features than? what is the thing that has less features? |
| 20:09.40 | rgr | sigh. hosed. think will need to download source for libgcc4 and reinstall |
| 20:09.57 | nsadmin | if the answers to these two questions are not identical, something is wrong :) |
| 20:10.29 | stew | rgr: figure out where the preinst is failing |
| 20:10.36 | stew | rgr: it could be something simple |
| 20:10.51 | rgr | I cant run any of the install tools now. |
| 20:10.56 | nsadmin | the source for libgcc4 is probably in gcc source |
| 20:10.56 | stew | so? |
| 20:11.32 | nsadmin | so that's a bit far fetched for the moment |
| 20:11.37 | stew | why? |
| 20:11.38 | rgr | maybe I am misunderstanding. How can I figure out the problem if I cant run the tools to reproduce it? |
| 20:12.04 | p3rror | nsadmin, it's no matter my problem is that i can not access the services on that machine that run firehol with the config above |
| 20:12.06 | rgr | the last attempt to install libc6 as you suggested uninstalled libgcc |
| 20:12.10 | stew | rgr: bash -x /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6.preinst ; or edit the preinst, add set -x, then run "dpkg --configure libc6" |
| 20:12.20 | fipu | How can I copy a directory with SFTP? |
| 20:12.23 | fipu | get does not work |
| 20:12.32 | p3rror | nsadmin, even i've trust the lan by policy accept |
| 20:12.40 | fipu | Cannot download non-regular file: /home/user/mydir |
| 20:12.44 | nsadmin | if you alter the preinst so it produces messages, you have a chance to find out what happened |
| 20:13.04 | nsadmin | stew has the way to do that (something about -x) |
| 20:13.07 | stew | rgr: oh, uhh, you should not let it remove a required package |
| 20:13.29 | smhar | greetings |
| 20:13.46 | nsadmin | fipu, check the sftp man page |
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| 20:13.49 | jelly-home | fipu: typically a -r option means recursion |
| 20:13.52 | rgr | gulp. this is over my head. I dont know what a preinst is, I dont know what that script you gave me does. I cant do aynthing until I get libgcc back but I dont know which one. |
| 20:14.12 | rgr | drowning ;) |
| 20:14.40 | nsadmin | rgr: what package produced the message that the preinst failed? |
| 20:14.44 | stew | libc6 |
| 20:14.55 | rgr | yup |
| 20:15.16 | nsadmin | ok, so you want to look at that script which should be in /var/lib/dpkg/info I think |
| 20:15.33 | rgr | the preinst script stew mentioned? |
| 20:15.51 | nsadmin | you'll see in that dir many scripts that start with "libc6" |
| 20:16.15 | nsadmin | and also informational files that are not scripts (like a file listing |
| 20:16.27 | smhar | I have a strange problem with my squeeze system. I usually have 2 users logged in, user1 @tty7 and user2 @tty8. in several times I had user2 screen stuck: I can go to user1 (ctrl+alt+7) but when I try to go to user2 I only see a black screen. I know that user2 is still logged on, as it is still showing on 'who'. but I can not access it |
| 20:16.44 | nsadmin | you'll need to tread carefully here, your system is currently fragile |
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| 20:17.29 | smhar | it happened several time that I do not think it is a random thing |
| 20:17.49 | rgr | ok I see the libc6 scripts. libc6 is not installed btw. |
| 20:18.08 | stew | rgr: libc6 is installed or else NOTHING would work |
| 20:18.15 | fipu | -R does not work |
| 20:18.25 | stew | rgr: you should probably be running stable instead of testing |
| 20:18.26 | rgr | not according to synaptic it isnt. well, when synaptic could run. |
| 20:18.28 | fipu | anyone an idea how I can copy a directory with SFTP? |
| 20:18.40 | rgr | Ive been running testing for 3 years. never had this before. |
| 20:18.45 | nsadmin | fipu: read the man page yet? |
| 20:18.58 | stew | rgr: synaptic coulnd't run if libc6 wasn't installed (nor could things like 'ls') |
| 20:19.10 | rgr | I understand that. but its telling it isnt. |
| 20:19.17 | smhar | I managed to reproduce it this way: both users are logged on, switch to user2, lock screen (from drop menu: gnome) at the same time move finger on the mouse pad... it is out |
| 20:19.34 | nsadmin | probably it "thinks" it's not installed, but libc6 either is installed or at least is in ram |
| 20:19.45 | rgr | or told rather. I followed your advice to install libc6 and it removed libgcc which now means none of the usual tools work (aptitude or synaptic), |
| 20:20.02 | stew | rgr: i was assuming that if you are running testing you'd have the sense to not remove a required package |
| 20:20.17 | rgr | ok thanks for your help .. |
| 20:20.31 | rgr | nsadmin: do you have any advice to help me out here. A simple update has turned to hell. |
| 20:20.43 | nsadmin | I can try. |
| 20:21.16 | nsadmin | first... let's get a sense of what you have available |
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| 20:21.34 | rgr | firstly is there the chance the libgcc dpkg is somewhere on my disk? |
| 20:21.49 | nsadmin | look thru the output of ls -l /lib/libc* |
| 20:21.50 | fipu | nsadmin: yes I do |
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| 20:22.17 | stew | rgr: you want to get libc6 fixed first |
| 20:22.48 | stew | rgr: libc6 is the most fundamental package |
| 20:23.08 | rgr | libc.so.6 -> libc-2.11.2.so |
| 20:23.27 | nsadmin | does exist libc-2.11.2.so? |
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| 20:23.37 | stew | obviously it does, or nothing would work |
| 20:23.42 | jelly-home | nsadmin: ls wouldn't work if it didn't |
| 20:23.43 | nsadmin | should be in /lib |
| 20:23.52 | rgr | yes |
| 20:23.52 | fipu | nsadmin: ? |
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| 20:24.02 | nsadmin | ok, good (whew) |
| 20:24.12 | rgr | the sym link is valid points to the 2.11.2.so in lib. |
| 20:24.26 | nsadmin | I like to make sure :P you know, like "computer plugged into power" kind of make sure... |
| 20:24.48 | rgr | also it could be loaded only for a reboot to render the machine useless.. |
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| 20:24.52 | stew | nsadmin: then ask him if his computer is plugged in, i guess |
| 20:25.18 | nsadmin | ok, good... the lib is present, whether or not dpkg thinks the package is installed |
| 20:25.23 | rgr | ok |
| 20:25.51 | nsadmin | take a look at the debs you have in /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 20:25.57 | stew | fipu: you want get -r, not -R |
| 20:26.07 | nsadmin | maybe you have libc6 deb, maybe you have libgcc deb |
| 20:26.18 | fipu | stew: does not work! |
| 20:26.44 | fipu | get: Invalid flag -r |
| 20:26.48 | fipu | just one second |
| 20:26.51 | nsadmin | stew: I'm assuming it might be :) |
| 20:27.07 | stew | nsadmin: why? |
| 20:27.19 | stew | nevermind... |
| 20:27.32 | nsadmin | well havent asked him which computer he's here with |
| 20:27.33 | rgr | there are two libc ones there both dated sept 4th. libc6_2.11.2-5_i386.deb and libc6-i686_2.11.2-5-i386.deb |
| 20:28.06 | rgr | and a libgcc one from aug 2 |
| 20:28.16 | nsadmin | ok, don't do anything with them yet |
| 20:28.27 | rgr | libgcc1_1%3a4.4.4-8_i386.deb |
| 20:28.36 | jelly-home | ,versions libgcc1 |
| 20:28.39 | judd | Package libgcc1 on i386 -- etch: 1:4.1.1-21; lenny: 1:4.3.2-1.1; lenny-backports: 1:4.3.4-6~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1:4.4.4-8; sid: 1:4.4.4-15; experimental: 1:4.5.1-7 |
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| 20:29.07 | nsadmin | that looks like the squeeze one |
| 20:29.12 | rgr | yup. |
| 20:29.32 | nsadmin | what are you trying to do now exactly (before solving these problems)? |
| 20:29.54 | rgr | get aptitude working again and do a routine update. |
| 20:30.01 | rgr | currently its missing libgcc |
| 20:30.14 | rgr | before that the update said it couldnt install libc6 |
| 20:30.23 | nsadmin | any /usr/lib/libgcc*? |
| 20:30.59 | rgr | missing library libgcc_s.so |
| 20:31.32 | rgr | so I guess I could dkpkg -i the libgcc one? |
| 20:31.45 | stew | no, you should fix libc6 first |
| 20:31.58 | nsadmin | how can I find all packages unpacked but not configured from dpkg? |
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| 20:32.02 | stew | or else you are back to doing the more dangerous thing that apt.conf manpage was warning you about |
| 20:32.17 | stew | which is putting off the configuration of a package marked for immediate configuring |
| 20:32.19 | nsadmin | stew, what's the best way to fix libc6? what's wrong with it you think? |
| 20:32.31 | rgr | So you keep saying. But I dont even know what wrong with libc6. I did what YOU told me to. I told you I wasnt happy to do that as google told me it didnt work for others. |
| 20:32.32 | stew | to see why the preinst fails |
| 20:32.53 | stew | rgr: why is the preinst failing? |
| 20:33.14 | rgr | I dont know.... It just gave that immediate error I pasted earlier. |
| 20:33.17 | xelister | how to give sftp access to just one file that is in middle of dir belonging to some other user? |
| 20:33.31 | xelister | can I mount-bind or something just one file? |
| 20:33.51 | rgr | I'm getting a bit confused here now. My previously reliable dev machine has fallen aprt because of a routine update ;( Sorry if I seem a bit dense.... |
| 20:33.53 | nsadmin | copy the file or hardlink to it from another dir |
| 20:33.55 | xelister | or perhaps setup a regular sftp account and script to copy from upload dir to target dir |
| 20:34.09 | xelister | nsadmin: hm, hardlink seems a good solution |
| 20:34.15 | nsadmin | "routine update" is contradiction |
| 20:34.45 | rgr | so ... "fix the libc6 problem"? |
| 20:34.46 | stew | especially for months old testing to testing |
| 20:35.00 | rgr | its a few weeks. |
| 20:35.27 | stew | 15:43 < rgr> I havent installed anything either for months on this machine |
| 20:36.39 | rgr | I needed to install gnome network manager as I was using wicd before. hence the update. Anyway, if anyone can expand on "fix the libc6 issue" I'll send you a virtual bottle of champagne .. |
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| 20:37.14 | nsadmin | rgr: it's dependent on what the problem actually is |
| 20:37.28 | rgr | and I can find that out how? |
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| 20:38.11 | nsadmin | did you say you found the libc6 preinst? |
| 20:38.21 | stew | 16:12 < stew> rgr: bash -x /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6.preinst ; or edit the preinst, add set -x, then run "dpkg --configure libc6" |
| 20:39.14 | rgr | add "set -x" to the end? |
| 20:39.25 | stew | the beginning, but after the shebang |
| 20:39.34 | rgr | starts to cry |
| 20:39.37 | nsadmin | no, very near the top, like the second line or so |
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| 20:40.05 | rgr | or just run that script as with bash -x? |
| 20:40.21 | nsadmin | let's not do that |
| 20:40.34 | nsadmin | there's a dependency I want to avoid |
| 20:40.36 | nsadmin | so |
| 20:40.39 | nsadmin | edit the file |
| 20:40.48 | nsadmin | add set -x near the top |
| 20:41.03 | nsadmin | run dpkg --configure libc6 |
| 20:41.16 | nsadmin | stew: looks good to you? |
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| 20:42.29 | nsadmin | the output will be considerably longer, and should show the exact point the problem occurs at |
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| 20:43.27 | rgr | it says no such package as libc6 installed |
| 20:43.56 | stew | rgr: backup your files then reinstall stable |
| 20:44.37 | rgr | sigh. once more, I use testing for a reason. stable is too old pulling in newer here and there ends up compromising even more IMO. |
| 20:44.40 | nsadmin | I dunno how to manually deal with your package database |
| 20:44.44 | rgr | I have always used testing. |
| 20:45.00 | stew | rgr: ok, then reinstall testing |
| 20:45.21 | stew | rgr: though its not what i'd recommend. I'd recommend stable |
| 20:45.21 | nsadmin | but this time you have a situation with testing that could repeat itself |
| 20:45.49 | abrotman | or learn how to backport the newer packages you need |
| 20:45.54 | rgr | it might. But next time I wont blindly listen to someone (not you) who ignores my comments about the warnings I read about. |
| 20:46.03 | rgr | thanks for your time. |
| 20:46.05 | stew | hahah |
| 20:46.35 | nsadmin | one problem is with your assumption that -any- upgrade to testing is routine |
| 20:46.42 | nsadmin | oh, gone... |
| 20:46.48 | stew | when he got here he already didn't have a libc6 package installed, i just didn't believe him |
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| 20:47.00 | stew | then he continues to remove another required package... |
| 20:47.36 | jelly-home | er... not installed, or not configured? |
| 20:47.52 | stew | he said synaptic was telling him it was uninstalled and we didn't believe him |
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| 20:47.59 | stew | not either |
| 20:48.15 | p3rror | any idea on how to share a printer |
| 20:48.32 | nsadmin | what I see over and over again is when someone's helping, the helpee will do three or four things without saying (1) that he's going to or (2) that he did in between each ircline exchange |
| 20:48.45 | p3rror | it is attached on a debian box |
| 20:48.50 | p3rror | with usb port |
| 20:49.10 | nsadmin | can you print to it |
| 20:49.32 | simonrvn | the box probably crashed because of the missing glibc |
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| 20:50.02 | stew | its actually there, just dpkg doesn't think so |
| 20:50.14 | stew | i dunno how he got there though |
| 20:50.21 | simonrvn | ah. still scrwed up though. ;p |
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| 20:50.40 | stew | it was obviously actually there as he was editing files and running synaptic |
| 20:50.46 | stew | some how or another |
| 20:51.03 | docgnome | is there a way to get a list of scripts being run at boot and when they are run without just eyeballing the rc files? i seem to vaguely remember a tool that went along with update-rc.d to do that... |
| 20:51.26 | nsadmin | he got pissed off at you for something he did |
| 20:51.44 | simonrvn | he tends to blame others for his mistakes... |
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| 20:51.58 | simonrvn | </ot> |
| 20:52.41 | nsadmin | one problem is with your assumption that -any- upgrade to testing is routine |
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| 20:53.09 | rgr | ok I fixed it. --force all for gcc cached and then the updated libc6. works fine. phew. |
| 20:53.20 | rgr | reboot time |
| 20:53.21 | simonrvn | routine, my a** |
| 20:53.42 | nsadmin | simonrvn, exactly my point |
| 20:54.07 | stew | hurry up and reboot! what could possibly go wrong |
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| 20:54.13 | simonrvn | haha |
| 20:54.42 | nsadmin | he's now charged up with his success and it's causing him to fail to listen |
| 20:55.09 | rgr | routine doesnt mean "every 3 days" you know. It means "rotuine" as in bring in a new testing suite to see how better it was than before. e.g emacs update or something. Christ on a bike. This is the first time a dependency hell as caused a problem for me. |
| 20:55.49 | nsadmin | it won't be the last, and problems such as this has happened to people before you |
| 20:56.11 | rgr | I know. It comes with the territory. nsadmin : really thank your for patience. |
| 20:56.14 | stew | rgr: i'd recommend switching to aptitude instead of synaptic. if you don't do an upgrade for months, i'd recommend doing a "aptitude safe-upgrade" before doing a full-upgrade |
| 20:56.48 | simonrvn | wonders if the guy will listen to that |
| 20:56.58 | rgr | I always use aptitude as a general rule. I only fired up synaptic to see if it agreed with the same dependency issue. Maybe not a good idea in retrospect but it was last chance saloon. |
| 20:57.06 | nsadmin | pieces of the reasons have been that needed things are not uploaded to the debian servers or not mirrorpulsed out at the right time, in short, moving-target |
| 20:57.17 | rgr | simonrvn: good to see you're as pleasent as ever. cheery folks. |
| 20:57.41 | rgr | anyway alls well that ends well. As I sad first time bitten on that. |
| 20:57.56 | nsadmin | so things seem to be working? |
| 20:58.20 | rgr | seem to be. Time will tell. |
| 20:58.32 | nsadmin | I'd still recommend you back up, as had been recommended before, then run dpkg --configure --pending |
| 20:58.40 | rgr | will do. |
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| 20:58.52 | spacepluk | hi, is it possible to list all packages that depend on a specific one? |
| 20:59.08 | simonrvn | yes |
| 20:59.21 | stew | spacepluk: aptitude search '~Dpackagename' |
| 20:59.41 | spacepluk | stew: thanks :) |
| 21:00.06 | nsadmin | thank simonrvn too, he did answer the question you asked... |
| 21:00.28 | rgr | yes. dont forget that help.. |
| 21:00.59 | mee | spacepluk: also, check out /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README (search for 'depType') |
| 21:01.25 | simonrvn | only technically and very literally |
| 21:01.37 | stew | i love how he fixed his system by completely ignoring our advice and just running "--force-all" :) |
| 21:01.44 | simonrvn | ... |
| 21:02.05 | abrotman | he's a pain in the ass .. constantly |
| 21:02.12 | simonrvn | i have him on ignore |
| 21:02.16 | jelly-home | well it might have broken libc, but it didn't |
| 21:02.20 | jelly-home | so, lucky |
| 21:02.58 | simonrvn | i've done some crazy shit on my machines, but i knew the risks and didn't inflict them on anyone else ;). |
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| 21:06.26 | lfaraone | *install session |
| 21:06.28 | nsadmin | 52% of what? |
| 21:06.50 | lfaraone | nsadmin: d-i reads "Starting up the partitioner", and then "52%" |
| 21:07.01 | nsadmin | ok, can you restart the whole thing? |
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| 21:07.34 | lfaraone | nsadmin: it's a remote system. It's configured to boot off the local disk by default, I only had it netboot as a one-off, manual thing. |
| 21:08.11 | nsadmin | so that's a "no"? |
| 21:08.24 | lfaraone | nsadmin: so I can't restart the netinst image that's currently loaded without a very long trip. |
| 21:08.54 | nsadmin | or the attention of another person located more closely? |
| 21:09.19 | lfaraone | nsadmin: closed for the next two days. |
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| 21:10.40 | nsadmin | do you have a console? |
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| 21:11.28 | lfaraone | nsadmin: I have debian-installer SSH access⦠and a shell. |
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| 21:12.26 | nsadmin | the shell, is a separate shell but in the same data center? |
| 21:12.33 | lfaraone | nsadmin: I do control a server on the local network that is configured as the target of PXE booting⦠maybe if I wgetted gPXE and put it on the target machine's disk I could have the target boot off PXE and open up ssh with a preseed file? |
| 21:12.59 | lfaraone | nsadmin: on the machine I'm trying to install debian to's disk, that is. |
| 21:13.07 | lfaraone | nsadmin: yes. |
| 21:13.09 | nsadmin | just so you know... you may have to go there, or wait until someone is present |
| 21:13.53 | nsadmin | and if you go there... you might as well install at least the base and an sshd |
| 21:14.34 | nsadmin | and make sure the net is configured so you can get in, a plain user added, that passwd and the root passwd set |
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| 21:15.19 | nsadmin | I don't know what else to tell you, and that's not to say someone else here would not either, maybe someone does |
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| 21:34.12 | HackeMate | how can i install a new dictionary? |
| 21:35.09 | stew | HackeMate: which are you talking about? /usr/share/dict/words ? |
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| 21:35.12 | HackeMate | yes |
| 21:35.59 | HackeMate | how to? |
| 21:36.02 | stew | HackeMate: install one from "aptitude search '~Ddictionaries-common'" |
| 21:36.08 | stew | HackeMate: with aptitude install packagename |
| 21:36.57 | stew | HackeMate: then you might want to read the README.Debian in /usr/share/doc/dictionaries-common |
| 21:37.08 | HackeMate | i want to install a certain language, can i find it via aptitude? or its only for english |
| 21:37.35 | stew | HackeMate: try to find it in the list returned by: aptitude search '~Ddictionaries-common' |
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| 21:38.08 | HackeMate | ah, the ~D is relevant, thanks |
| 21:38.54 | stew | yes, for "depends on" |
| 21:39.39 | stew | i guess "aptitude search '~Pwordlist'" returns a better list |
| 21:40.32 | themill | ,rprovides wordlist |
| 21:40.33 | judd | Package wordlist in lenny/i386 is provided by: wbulgarian, wbrazilian, wdanish, wdutch, wogerman, wngerman, wswiss, wpolish, wfinnish, wfaroese, wgalician-minimos, wukrainian, wportuguese, wcatalan, wgerman-medical, miscfiles, wnorwegian, wamerican-huge, wamerican-large, wamerican-small, wamerican, wbritish-huge, wbritish-large, wbritish-small, wbritish, wcanadian-huge, wcanadian-large, wcanadian- |
| 21:40.35 | judd | small, wcanadian, wswedish, wfrench, witalian, wspanish. |
| 21:40.36 | Raptors | Does anyone know who to get webgl working on debain? |
| 21:40.40 | Raptors | debian* |
| 21:41.41 | HackeMate | quite interesting, thanks again |
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| 21:43.18 | jhutchins_lt | fhffhqvb: Did anybody tell you about make oldconfig? |
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| 21:53.18 | Alystair | what's that command line trick to repeat the last action as appended? |
| 21:53.24 | Alystair | eg. forgetting sudo |
| 21:53.41 | Alystair | then typing sudo then some magic mambojambo to repeat last command |
| 21:54.23 | jhutchins_lt | Alystair: Up arrow? |
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| 21:58.03 | themill | Alystair: "sudo !!" (depending on what shell you are using) |
| 21:59.10 | Shadur | That sounds like an excellent trick to be really, REALLY careful with. |
| 21:59.47 | jelly-home | Shadur: zsh allows you to press tab after !! to show the actual command line |
| 22:00.00 | Alystair | Shadur: I have a vm machine with specific return points so I can try out all kinds of semi dangerous stuff :) |
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| 22:03.49 | rysiek|pl | Alystair: just don't get used to those mumbos aka jumbos ;) |
| 22:03.54 | peterrooney | "sudo don't do that" |
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| 22:06.38 | themill | shopt histverify ... |
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| 22:20.23 | e7th04sh | Hi, i have grapgical glitches that affect fonts and others. |
| 22:20.54 | e7th04sh | Generally i noticed patterns in the glitches, fe. some fonts |
| 22:21.19 | e7th04sh | some characters in some fonts seem to be slightly corrupted - still recognisible but with some odd pixels |
| 22:21.59 | e7th04sh | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:22.18 | e7th04sh | how do i go about diagnosing the cause? |
| 22:22.43 | macrobat | e7th04sh: maybe (subpixel) hinting? |
| 22:23.00 | e7th04sh | Could You explain please? |
| 22:23.18 | e7th04sh | (also, sometimes colours get swapped for teal - i think it's always white that it happens to) |
| 22:24.11 | e7th04sh | excuse me, i mean cyan |
| 22:28.57 | macrobat | e7th04sh: there is hinting: none, slight, medium, full. then there is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subpixel_hinting |
| 22:29.19 | macrobat | depends on what monitor you use |
| 22:29.20 | e7th04sh | it's a crt screen |
| 22:29.37 | e7th04sh | how do i know if i have subpixel hinting enabled? |
| 22:29.43 | e7th04sh | i should probably disable it on a CRT |
| 22:29.50 | macrobat | yes |
| 22:30.03 | macrobat | maybe in gconf? |
| 22:30.21 | e7th04sh | i'll try |
| 22:31.16 | e7th04sh | oh and by the way, you know how in gnome upon prompting you for authentication as root the screen is darkened? |
| 22:31.31 | e7th04sh | mine had cyan vertical solid lines in addition to that |
| 22:31.35 | e7th04sh | regular intervals |
| 22:32.01 | e7th04sh | could this be a software issue, or is my gpu at fault? |
| 22:32.35 | jhutchins_lt | e7th04sh: release, graphical chipset? |
| 22:33.18 | e7th04sh | i think i am on debian squeeze |
| 22:33.27 | e7th04sh | chipset seems to be radeon |
| 22:33.31 | e7th04sh | 9200 i believe? |
| 22:33.33 | macrobat | maybe the crt needs degaussing or tweaking |
| 22:33.35 | e7th04sh | lemme check to be sure |
| 22:34.18 | e7th04sh | nope macrobat, it's not the screen issue |
| 22:34.27 | macrobat | ok |
| 22:34.46 | jhutchins_lt | e7th04sh: Which driver? |
| 22:35.27 | e7th04sh | hmmm... not the newest radeon driver, because it used to be incompatible with my old chipset |
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| 22:38.22 | e7th04sh | radeon |
| 22:38.55 | e7th04sh | (II) Module radeon: vendor="X.Org Foundation" |
| 22:38.55 | e7th04sh | compiled for 1.7.7, module version = 6.13.1 |
| 22:38.56 | e7th04sh | Module class: X.Org Video Driver |
| 22:38.56 | e7th04sh | ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 6.0 |
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| 22:39.35 | e7th04sh | chipset is R 9200 SE |
| 22:39.48 | e7th04sh | do you perhaps want a screen cap? |
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| 22:46.31 | jelly-home | e7th04sh: whcih kernel do you have installed? dpkg -l linux-image-`uname -r`|tail -1 |
| 22:46.59 | jelly-home | e7th04sh: might be your driver-card combo doesn't deal with KMS well |
| 22:47.09 | e7th04sh | what's kms? |
| 22:47.17 | jelly-home | !kms |
| 22:47.17 | dpkg | [KMS] Kernel Mode Setting, where the initialization of graphical modes is performed by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting |
| 22:47.31 | e7th04sh | linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 |
| 22:48.05 | e7th04sh | so what would be actually at fault here? |
| 22:48.24 | jelly-home | e7th04sh: new functionality in video-radeon and kernel |
| 22:48.36 | e7th04sh | cause i can test this option, but this will only solve the problem but not satisfy my curiosity |
| 22:48.52 | muddd | i have my debian host set up as a bridge for some vm's I run, but whenever I reboot I have to /etc/init.d/networking restart for the bridge to work... how can I set it up so its automatic? |
| 22:48.57 | e7th04sh | and how come it caauses colour swaps and glitches i fonts? |
| 22:50.16 | jelly-home | e7th04sh: if you're able to figure the real reason for that out, debian-x team will accept your expertise happily |
| 22:50.29 | e7th04sh | :D |
| 22:51.41 | e7th04sh | well, i don't need a definite and ocmplete explanation, just the bugs progress throughout session while i do not change graphical modde |
| 22:51.53 | e7th04sh | is it still possible that it has anything to do with this kms? |
| 22:52.31 | jelly-home | sorry, I'm tired and can't parse those two last lines well |
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| 22:54.54 | jelly-home | e7th04sh: in addition to the link above, you might also want to read the links in #debian-x topic. The channel is on irc.oftc.net network. |
| 22:55.14 | e7th04sh | thank you |
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| 23:02.22 | jpinx-eeepc | what's a package/command to search a dir of text files for a string? |
| 23:03.13 | abrotman | grep ? |
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| 23:07.39 | Chapayev | JordiGH: where is the penix joke |
| 23:07.45 | JordiGH | !penix Chapayev |
| 23:07.52 | Adalid_Negro | HI something can help me? i need to create users that cann't see anymore than own home |
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| 23:07.59 | JordiGH | I guess they got rid of it... |
| 23:08.00 | beardy | !penixstrike Chapayev |
| 23:08.01 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Chapayev to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 23:08.48 | Chapayev | jeez guys it's an operating system |
| 23:08.58 | Chapayev | i mean just because its name sounds like penis doesn't mean you have to make fun of it |
| 23:09.07 | Chapayev | i'm sure the penix developers really hate it when people keep making jokes at their expense |
| 23:09.14 | phogg | first of all, yes it does, secondly what? |
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| 23:09.44 | Chapayev | is it too soon to make my joke about running VMS on my vax deferens again |
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| 23:10.21 | Moleboy | Hey |
| 23:10.30 | themill | wonders if Chapayev wanted #debian-offtopic |
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| 23:11.02 | thepro4ever | is there a way to get yesterday's system date with a script? |
| 23:11.17 | Moleboy | hey guys-I've splashed around in a few distros for a while, nothing too serious, but I am deciding a distro to take seriously...what makes Debian so great? |
| 23:11.32 | beardy | !tell Moleboy -about why debian |
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| 23:11.48 | thepro4ever | Moleboy, well, it works |
| 23:11.50 | docgnome | just installed readahead on testing... How do I make it run a profiling boot to build a list of files to load? |
| 23:12.37 | docgnome | looks like you used to do touch /etc/readahead/profile-once but there is no readahead directory, but there is a readahead.d |
| 23:12.57 | Moleboy | hmm |
| 23:14.43 | themill | Moleboy: yes, if you ask the same question both here and on oftc, you're very likely to get the same answer... probably even the same canned response from the bot. (please don't do that, /msg dpkg cross post) |
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| 23:15.58 | jelly-home | Moleboy: also we have spies on other channels to check if you're reposting your questions anywhere else |
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| 23:18.13 | IanWizard | what are some of the better repos? I just bootstrapped, and I only have one. |
| 23:19.06 | Moleboy | I apolozie, I just thought they were two different channels |
| 23:19.12 | Moleboy | and I was trying to get different perspectives |
| 23:19.24 | Moleboy | *apologize |
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| 23:20.16 | nkuttler | IanWizard: repos? |
| 23:20.59 | IanWizard | nkuttler: repositories |
| 23:21.07 | nsadmin | is it bad to post questions anywhere else? |
| 23:22.00 | nsadmin | if it is, is it because one place is considered more correct than another? and there would be need for spies to enforce the more correct place? |
| 23:22.17 | nkuttler | IanWizard: like package archives? stable main + security will do for starters |
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| 23:23.20 | IanWizard | nkuttler: I have the base, but I'm looking for some of the better 3rd party repos |
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| 23:23.55 | nkuttler | IanWizard: why? what do you miss? |
| 23:24.21 | jelly-home | nsadmin: questions like those may make you insane; but the idea is to be polite and optimize for minimal volunteer time spent instead of minimizing your own time spent |
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| 23:24.38 | IanWizard | unresolvable deps, things like boxee won't install, among others |
| 23:25.08 | nkuttler | IanWizard: you won't fix that by adding even more sources. pastebin your sources.list |
| 23:25.22 | themill | IanWizard: pretty much everything that you will ever need is already in debian. 3rd party repos tend to be full of poor quality crap that you don't want on your computer. Remember that you are trusting whomever makes this repo and you allow them to run code on your machine as root |
| 23:25.45 | jelly-home | what's boxee? |
| 23:26.20 | docgnome | jelly-home: propriatary video service software |
| 23:26.21 | docgnome | i think |
| 23:26.36 | IanWizard | yes, it is |
| 23:27.34 | IanWizard | and my source is deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian squeeze main contrib non-free plus, I have the google repo for chrome |
| 23:27.59 | jelly-home | I'll assume google has hired someone able to make decent packages |
| 23:28.08 | beardy | !assume |
| 23:28.08 | dpkg | Don't assume, just KNOW. |
| 23:28.18 | beardy | ASS U ME DAMMIT. |
| 23:28.26 | beardy | Who fucked that up? |
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| 23:31.17 | IanWizard | I'll be honest, I'm quite surprised to have gotten such a bad response. I know people use other repos (that's why we have pinning ;) ) |
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| 23:31.46 | beardy | No, it's not. |
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| 23:32.23 | IanWizard | beardy: I know, but that's what everyone uses it for. (I know, it's used for other things too, but give me a break) |
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| 23:32.58 | beardy | IanWizard: These "everyone" you speak of, ask them then. |
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| 23:33.40 | themill | IanWizard: where did this boxee .deb come from exactly? |
| 23:33.41 | IanWizard | half of them should be here. |
| 23:34.09 | IanWizard | themill: boxee |
| 23:34.19 | themill | IanWizard: they don't supply packages for debian. |
| 23:34.23 | IanWizard | I guess I can just add the ubuntu repos, and hope |
| 23:34.43 | IanWizard | themill: I tried the ubuntu, and also from source |
| 23:34.55 | themill | IanWizard: be sure to seek further support in ##frankenbuntu |
| 23:35.19 | beardy | "Everyone" is there. Much pleasure. |
| 23:35.38 | IanWizard | wow, what has happend to all of the nice people that used to live here. |
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| 23:35.54 | beardy | The ubuntards made them move. |
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| 23:35.58 | themill | IanWizard: you're not giving us much to work with here.... |
| 23:36.12 | jpinx-eeepc | we're still here, but totally sick on ubuntu-itis |
| 23:36.39 | jpinx-eeepc | s/on/of |
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| 23:37.42 | beardy | We don't like to aid the destruction of systems. |
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