| 00:01.24 | docgnome | anyone know how to run readahead profiling when booting to optimize what is loaded? |
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| 00:05.07 | atoi | how can I get ps to wrap in my terminal? |
| 00:06.19 | Lns | atoi: ps auxw? |
| 00:06.33 | atoi | mmm, doesn't seem to. I'm using putty |
| 00:06.36 | atoi | it gets cuto ff |
| 00:07.06 | Lns | hmm |
| 00:07.10 | Lns | dunno then ;) |
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| 00:12.07 | beardy | atoi: Pipe to less, scroll to the right. |
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| 00:14.25 | atoi | beardy, for copy-pasting, that's still inconvenient. |
| 00:14.59 | peterrooney | atoi: COLUMNS=999 ps -ef f |
| 00:15.13 | atoi | ohh, interesting |
| 00:15.17 | atoi | why colums = 999? |
| 00:15.38 | peterrooney | because I'm hard pressed to think of a ps output that's 1000 characters wide |
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| 00:16.45 | peterrooney | but if I'm in the middle of a make, there's regularly entries over 300 chars when using the --forest option. |
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| 00:17.39 | beardy | atoi: What Lns said, 'ps auxw' does work. |
| 00:18.03 | atoi | mmm, no. it's the COLUMNS that does it. |
| 00:18.10 | atoi | ps auxw by itself does not wrap |
| 00:18.20 | beardy | Does for me(TM). |
| 00:18.45 | atoi | you probably have an alias or an ENV variable set. |
| 00:18.55 | beardy | Not for COLUMNS no. |
| 00:19.10 | atoi | shrugs. |
| 00:19.18 | atoi | anyhow, thanks peterrooney. :) |
| 00:20.31 | jhutchins_lt | ps axww |
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| 00:30.40 | maplebed | If I have security.debian.org in my /etc/apt/source.list, I run 'aptitude update' then 'apt-cache show linux-image-2.6-686', shuold I be able to see version 2.6.26+25lenny? I only see 2.6.26+17+lenny1. I fear I'm using the tool wrong. |
| 00:31.34 | maplebed | (preparing to deal with http://www.debian.org/security/2010/dsa-2110) |
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| 00:31.53 | abrotman | judd: versions linux-image-2.6-686 --release lenny |
| 00:31.55 | judd | Package linux-image-2.6-686 on i386 -- lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1 |
| 00:32.02 | abrotman | maplebed: did you aptitude update first ? |
| 00:32.09 | maplebed | abrotman: yes. |
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| 00:32.47 | abrotman | maplebed: paste the output of `cat /etc/apt/sources.list ; apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6-686' |
| 00:33.37 | maplebed | I'll get you a pastebin in a minute, but briefly, everything's at 500. |
| 00:35.25 | maplebed | abrotman: http://pastebin.org/1001952. I threw the output of 'apt-cache show linux-image-2.6-686' in there too just for fun. |
| 00:36.41 | abrotman | maplebed: do you see the "installed" version ? |
| 00:36.46 | abrotman | you already have the newest version |
| 00:37.26 | maplebed | abrotman: reading http://www.debian.org/security/2010/dsa-2110, I expected to see 2.6.26-25lenny1. |
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| 00:39.24 | maplebed | I also expected to see a candidate from both the main lenny repo and the security.debian.org repo, rather than just the one from http.us.debian.org. |
| 00:39.41 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 00:40.10 | maplebed | that doesn't show any packages from security.debian.org though, does it? |
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| 00:42.57 | abrotman | yes, it does |
| 00:44.01 | maplebed | hm. |
| 00:44.21 | maplebed | then it seems I'm misinterpreting what http://www.debian.org/security/2010/dsa-2110 is trying to tell me. |
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| 00:48.04 | ManateeLazyCat | I'm looking for temrinal widget with model/view split design, silimar TextBuffer |
| 00:48.04 | ManateeLazyCat | for TextView, i can keep terminal data even terminal widget destroy. Have any exist |
| 00:48.04 | ManateeLazyCat | library do this? |
| 00:48.13 | MTeck | I installed the base system for my laptop. It wasn't able to install grub so I figured I'd do it after a reboot. The easy way seemed to be just launch it into a chroot. I did that and then ran aptitude update and then I wanted to install grub from there but the package doesn't seem to exist. |
| 00:48.23 | abrotman | maplebed: i have systems that dont' have that either |
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| 00:49.00 | MTeck | I noticed that the ONLY two lines in /etc/apt/sources.list are deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main and deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main |
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| 00:49.20 | MTeck | This seems wrong... I was wondering if somebody could tell me what I 'should' have in there. |
| 00:49.31 | abrotman | MTeck: it's grub2 .. but you should have a main source .. where are you geographically? |
| 00:49.52 | MTeck | abrotman: north central US - South Dakota |
| 00:50.11 | MTeck | abrotman: I assume they're not there because I had no network connectivity during installation.. |
| 00:50.14 | abrotman | there's an ND mirror .. le tme find it |
| 00:50.32 | dvs | MTeck: no, you have to move! ;-) |
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| 00:50.40 | abrotman | deb http://ftp.ndlug.nd.edu/mirrors/debian/ squeeze main |
| 00:50.40 | MTeck | dvs: :'( |
| 00:50.49 | abrotman | MTeck: and yes, that's why |
| 00:51.03 | PiranhaP | I am trying to build a root filesystem for a device using APT directly (rather than debootstrap or multistrap), but debconf (dpkg-preconfigure) insists on using the root directory (/) rather than my build root (e.g. Dir::). Does anybody know how to twist debconf's arm? ...or otherwise accomplish what I want? |
| 00:51.38 | MTeck | abrotman: Yay! 28,164 new packages available! |
| 00:51.44 | abrotman | yay .. i think |
| 00:51.52 | abrotman | thinks 28k seems a bit high |
| 00:51.57 | dvs | Notre Dame is in Indiana! |
| 00:52.40 | MTeck | oh? that sounded like about the number I expected.. |
| 00:52.51 | MTeck | I added the deb-src line for it too btw |
| 00:53.22 | MTeck | isn't sure if that's counted as well |
| 00:53.47 | maplebed | abrotman: I figured out my confusion. linux-image-2.6-686, version 17+lenny1 depends upon linux-image-2.6.26-2-686, which has versino 2.6.26-24lenny1 currently installed and 2.6.26-25lenny1 available. |
| 00:53.57 | maplebed | so ... I was looking at the wrong package. |
| 00:54.44 | abrotman | maplebed: there you go! |
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| 00:54.54 | maplebed | thanks for your help! |
| 00:55.39 | MTeck | firefox not in repo? |
| 00:55.52 | MTeck | oh.... iceweasel... right, I remember.. |
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| 01:00.15 | MTeck | OOo 3 isn't in the repo for squeeze? |
| 01:00.19 | MTeck | sad |
| 01:00.34 | MTeck | I should try to find something better than OOo... |
| 01:02.33 | dvs | MTeck: sure it is |
| 01:06.14 | qq- | , versions openoffice.org |
| 01:06.14 | judd | Package openoffice.org on i386 -- etch: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch9; etch-security: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch9; etch-backports: 1:2.4.1-12~bpo40+1; lenny: 1:2.4.1+dfsg-1+lenny8; lenny-security: 1:2.4.1+dfsg-1+lenny8; squeeze-security: 1:3.1.1-15+squeeze1; lenny-backports: 1:3.2.0-11~bpo50+1; sid: 1:3.2.1-6; squeeze: 1:3.2.1-6 |
| 01:07.26 | MTeck | oh.. I'm blind then :P |
| 01:07.41 | MTeck | there's xscreensaver. then what was the other to just lock it? |
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| 01:08.03 | MTeck | I thought it was just xlock.. |
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| 01:09.03 | MrFrood | or slock (even more minimal than xlock) |
| 01:09.17 | MTeck | perfect :D |
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| 01:10.01 | MTeck | OOo is heavy huh?.. |
| 01:10.57 | MTeck | MrFrood: suckless-tools - love it |
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| 01:11.52 | MrFrood | OpenOffice is lighter than MS Office but it's heavier than vim |
| 01:12.28 | MTeck | that got a good laugh out of me. the obvious stated in a funny way |
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| 01:15.20 | MrFrood | I've OOo installed but I rarely use it and I could probaly live without it - vim on the other hand is one of my most used toys |
| 01:15.50 | MTeck | Alrighty... Time to pull down almost 700MB of extras... grub being one of the most essential.. |
| 01:16.41 | MTeck | MrFrood: for school, I use it almost daily, for work every other week at most - vim is open about 7hr per work day |
| 01:17.01 | andrew1618 | is there any reason my apt is not wanting to fin wvstreams? |
| 01:17.07 | MTeck | I don't like that vim.tiny is default.. |
| 01:20.25 | MrFrood | MTeck: so change it - choice is one of the things Debian and Linux is all about... |
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| 01:22.33 | mns | I have a bunch of mp4 mpegs and want to get information as to when they were created, etc. Is there a tool for doing such a thing ? |
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| 01:25.29 | abrotman | MrFrood: he can't change the default in debian |
| 01:25.42 | abrotman | not the one that gets installed by the official installer |
| 01:25.52 | andrew1618 | how on earth do I get the wvstreams package on debian? |
| 01:27.03 | dondelelcaro | andrew1618: it's a library; isntall it. |
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| 01:28.28 | andrew1618 | why won't apt-get install wvstreams work? |
| 01:28.53 | dondelelcaro | andrew1618: because the package isn't named wvstreams. It's libwvstreams4.6 or libwvstreams4.6-dev or similar |
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| 01:32.36 | andrew1618 | dondelelcaro, so? wvstreams should work |
| 01:35.40 | abrotman | why? there's no packaged named that |
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| 01:39.11 | dondelelcaro | andrew1618: how do you expect it to work? |
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| 01:39.53 | abrotman | Do what I mean, not what I say! |
| 01:44.20 | andrew1618 | dondelelcaro apt-get install wvstreams should install the lib and all the dependancies |
| 01:44.38 | andrew1618 | dondelelcaro just as apt-get install quake should install some default |
| 01:44.58 | abrotman | that's still not the package name |
| 01:45.34 | andrew1618 | what is then? |
| 01:45.37 | andrew1618 | please inform me |
| 01:45.47 | andrew1618 | I tried libwvstreams4 etc |
| 01:45.50 | simonrvn | apt-cache search first |
| 01:46.15 | andrew1618 | http://packages.debian.org/source/lenny/wvstreams |
| 01:46.20 | MrFrood | abrotman: once debian has been installed the alternatives system can be used to change the default for most things |
| 01:46.22 | simonrvn | maybe then you won't go asking silly questions on irc |
| 01:46.51 | abrotman | andrew1618: that's the source package, not the binary package |
| 01:46.59 | abrotman | MrFrood: that's not what he was saying |
| 01:47.07 | abrotman | MrFrood: i'm well aware of the alternatives system |
| 01:47.54 | abrotman | andrew1618: aptitude search wvstreams .. look in the results of the package you want |
| 01:47.55 | andrew1618 | here is my output |
| 01:48.30 | dondelelcaro | andrew1618: the binary package is libwvstreams4.4 or libwvstreams4.6; any package which requires that library will install it automatically. |
| 01:48.54 | MrFrood | yes, and I was saying so what change it once installed - I do not like that nano is the default text editor so one of the first things I do is change it |
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| 01:50.19 | dondelelcaro | personally just sets EDITOR, since he is on lots of machines on which he doesn't control the alternatives |
| 01:50.36 | dondelelcaro | (or which I *could* control them, but I don't set it for various reasons) |
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| 01:50.47 | MrFrood | also sets VISUAL |
| 01:51.12 | jelly-home | as if anyone uses nonvisual editors |
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| 01:51.47 | jelly-home | !ed |
| 01:51.47 | dpkg | methinks ed is the standard editor! http://www.cs.hmc.edu/~smikes/emacs/ed.html, or http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1991Jul11.031731.9260@athena.mit.edu&output=gplain |
| 01:51.56 | andrew1618 | what do you prefer as opposed to nano? |
| 01:52.11 | Warlord | nano |
| 01:52.16 | dondelelcaro | emacs then vim then nvi then jed then nano. |
| 01:52.44 | magyarlatin | vim FTW |
| 01:52.46 | magyarlatin | ;) |
| 01:52.51 | Warlord | nano ftw |
| 01:52.55 | jelly-home | joe |
| 01:53.07 | ksx4system | @Warlord: true! NANO FTW! |
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| 01:53.15 | dondelelcaro | has his own script which figures out the right editor to run based on what is installed and what is running |
| 01:53.21 | MrFrood | vim in my case, but I'm weird I also don't like bash so I change my shell to ksh93 so really take no notice of what I say |
| 01:53.44 | magyarlatin | MrFrood, =D in my case too |
| 01:53.51 | ksx4system | ksh is nice. |
| 01:54.12 | ksx4system | wasn't it lighter (lower memory footprint) than bash? |
| 01:54.27 | MrFrood | that it is when not giving weird bugs with urxvt |
| 01:54.46 | jelly-home | anything is lighter than bash (zsh is a possible exception) |
| 01:55.07 | qq- | !start an editor war |
| 01:55.07 | dpkg | zile doesn't deserve to be in BSD. |
| 01:55.15 | simonrvn | that's what zsh -f is for |
| 01:55.31 | ksx4system | nano FTW. |
| 01:55.34 | jelly-home | zsh -f makes the baby donkey kong cry |
| 01:55.44 | MrFrood | pico? |
| 01:55.50 | simonrvn | baby donkey kong is a cry baby |
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| 01:56.24 | jelly-home | :'( |
| 01:56.29 | magyarlatin | XD |
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| 01:56.32 | jelly-home | throws a barrel at simonrvn |
| 01:56.40 | ksx4system | ROTFL |
| 01:56.52 | MrFrood | giggles |
| 01:56.59 | simonrvn | catches it and tosses it at abrotman |
| 01:57.08 | magyarlatin | shoots eveyone against VI =P |
| 01:57.20 | magyarlatin | everyone* |
| 01:59.18 | simonrvn | thinks magyarlatin needs to practice tolerance |
| 01:59.31 | ksx4system | nano FTW |
| 02:00.07 | magyarlatin | simonrvn, its jocking :) |
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| 02:01.50 | MrFrood | ksx4system: nano is a straight ripoff of pico just use the original if you find vim too complex... :| |
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| 02:08.00 | MTecknology | I don't think squeeze likes either my wireless card or my custom kernel.. |
| 02:08.34 | abrotman | which card is it? |
| 02:08.37 | MTecknology | probably because it wasn't compiled with the squeeze toolchain for the kernel |
| 02:08.39 | MTecknology | ath9k |
| 02:09.10 | MTecknology | that's the kernel driver anyway - lemme get this think up and I'll look at lspci |
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| 02:10.50 | dvs | had to compile a 2.6.35 kernel to get his ath9k to work. |
| 02:11.22 | Devastator | dvs are you the same dvs from dd-wrt forum? |
| 02:11.30 | dvs | no |
| 02:11.39 | MTecknology | 02:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communcations In. AR928X Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01) |
| 02:11.41 | Devastator | oh, ok.. |
| 02:12.21 | dvs | 02:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01) |
| 02:12.30 | dvs | close |
| 02:12.40 | MTecknology | I need to get a network connection so I can make a squeeze chroot so I can build a kernel that will work |
| 02:12.57 | abrotman | MTecknology: try lspci |
| 02:13.00 | MTecknology | yours is ever so slightly more specific that mine :P |
| 02:13.04 | abrotman | erm .. lspci -nn |
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| 02:14.31 | MTecknology | 02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Atheros Communcations In. AR928X Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) [168c:002a] (rev 01) |
| 02:14.45 | s3a | In openoffice.org, I tried clicking format => page => Organizer => Next style => First page when having the header highlighted but it makes the page number of the second page dissapear. The same thing happens whether I highlight the first page's header or the second's |
| 02:15.15 | MTecknology | dvs: screen brightness work at all? |
| 02:15.25 | s3a | basically i want my pages to be numbered except for the first/cover page |
| 02:15.36 | dvs | MTecknology: yes |
| 02:16.10 | MTecknology | dvs: if that works for me... I'll crap myself :) |
| 02:16.27 | abrotman | judd: pciid 168c:002a |
| 02:16.27 | MTecknology | obviously I need that newer kernel first |
| 02:16.29 | judd | [168c:002a] is 'AR928X Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express)' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'ath9k' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:002a http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k |
| 02:16.31 | dvs | backs away |
| 02:17.15 | MTecknology | lotta info right there.. |
| 02:17.38 | dvs | MTecknology: the most important is the last link |
| 02:20.46 | MTecknology | apparmor isn't in the debian repos or am I missing it? |
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| 02:56.08 | Avaya | quick question - do i only need debian-506-i386-CD-1.iso to install yes? or do i need all the other disks or the dvd iso? |
| 02:56.15 | Avaya | Just looking for a basic install |
| 02:56.21 | dvs | Avaya: yup |
| 02:56.26 | Avaya | Thanks. hugs and kisses |
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| 02:57.09 | jpinx-eeepc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:02.27 | kizzo | After running "aptitude safe-upgrade" to upgrade the snort-pgsql package, it errors with a screenfull of giberish. however.. |
| 03:03.35 | kizzo | The problem is that my /etc/snort/snort.conf gets overwritten each time that is run, and when it does get overwritten, it's written as a bad configuration file (that causes snort to scream when started with it). |
| 03:04.25 | kizzo | So I'm wondering.. where is this "backup snort.conf" stored? This same backup that keeps overwriting my /etc/snort/snort.conf |
| 03:04.57 | kizzo | I've googled all over and still nothing. |
| 03:05.13 | jpinx-eeepc | kizzo: find ? |
| 03:05.42 | kizzo | Yeah I ran "grep -r "output database" /etc/* " |
| 03:06.01 | kizzo | [ "output database" is a standard line in a snort.conf file ] |
| 03:06.18 | jpinx-eeepc | kizzo: man find ;) |
| 03:06.42 | jpinx-eeepc | it accepts wildcards - like conf* |
| 03:06.48 | kizzo | And it outputs nothing (except, of course, contents of /etc/snort/snort.conf - which is not what I'm looking for). |
| 03:07.25 | jpinx-eeepc | does the conf file contain the old conf settings still -- but commented out?. |
| 03:07.26 | kizzo | jpinx-eeepc: Well, I'm trying to search the contents of files - not the names of them. I'm not really sure what the name of this backup snort.conf would be. |
| 03:07.45 | kizzo | It's pretty much the same, yes. |
| 03:07.59 | jpinx-eeepc | so there is no backup? |
| 03:08.00 | kizzo | Except for one line. One, erroneous line. |
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| 03:08.41 | kizzo | Well, that's what I'm trying to find. I'm trying to find out what is overwritting /etc/snort/snort.conf when I run "aptitude safe-upgrade" |
| 03:08.46 | jpinx-eeepc | kizzo: and maybe you should run full-upgrade to get the latest |
| 03:08.55 | kizzo | I'll try that.. |
| 03:09.08 | kizzo | Same results. |
| 03:09.11 | jpinx-eeepc | safe-upgrade only does security stuff |
| 03:09.25 | jpinx-eeepc | pastebin you errors |
| 03:09.29 | jpinx-eeepc | and the commands |
| 03:09.32 | kizzo | Ok. |
| 03:10.38 | kizzo | http://pastebin.com/AXB5YGqu |
| 03:11.56 | kizzo | To give context.. if I modify the /etc/snort/snort.conf file so that it works, and then run "aptitude safe-upgrade", that command will fail with that error message, and when I look at /etc/snort/snort.conf again, it has been overwritten (by an older, non-working version of the same file). |
| 03:12.14 | jpinx-eeepc | kizzo: did you check /var/log/daemon.log, /var/log/syslog and /var/log/snort/) |
| 03:12.35 | kizzo | Yes I did - they are simply complaining about how the config file doesn't work. |
| 03:12.44 | kizzo | I will double check for you though.. |
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| 03:13.10 | docgnome | what is net.agent? it shows up in my bootchart and there is a long sleep that i think it is the cause of |
| 03:13.14 | jpinx-eeepc | I dunno what snort is, but I would go through the cconfig file and comment out line by and test |
| 03:13.50 | kizzo | For example, the tail end of /var/log/daemon.log says "pubserv snort[22805]: database: must enter database name in configuration file#012" |
| 03:14.50 | jpinx-eeepc | kizzo: alternately purge, delete the old configs and re-install |
| 03:14.54 | kizzo | I know exactly what it's talking about - the failing line in snort.conf is "output database: log, postgresql, ", and it is supposed to be something like "output database: alert, postgresql, dbname=snort user=snort password=password host=localhost" |
| 03:15.24 | kizzo | Alrighty - that's something that can be done. |
| 03:15.31 | jpinx-eeepc | kizzo: sorry I can't be more help |
| 03:15.57 | kizzo | It's all good, thanks. |
| 03:16.39 | jpinx-eeepc | I'm just a user like you - all the brains are alseep atm ;) |
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| 03:18.13 | peterrooney | Hey, I'm brainy (just not about debian) |
| 03:18.33 | jpinx-eeepc | that's what SHE said ;) |
| 03:18.37 | MTecknology | can I not add a PPA repo to sources.list? |
| 03:18.59 | MTecknology | or.. install from that |
| 03:19.14 | jpinx-eeepc | MTecknology: you can add the kitchen sink - but don't come bleating in here when it breaks ;) |
| 03:19.55 | jpinx-eeepc | non debian repos are generally not supported ;) |
| 03:19.57 | kizzo | jpinx-eeepc: Everything works now. |
| 03:20.00 | MTecknology | jpinx-eeepc: I was just trying to install a very simple app that I have sitting in a PPA. I added the line, added the GPG key, but can't install the package |
| 03:20.14 | jpinx-eeepc | kizzo: cool :) gremlins :) |
| 03:20.28 | kizzo | Yeah. Gremlins. |
| 03:20.40 | jpinx-eeepc | MTecknology: does it have dependencies? what is it? |
| 03:20.54 | jpinx-eeepc | why do I get involved with non-debian stuff? |
| 03:21.18 | MTecknology | jpinx-eeepc: oh... it's pebkac |
| 03:21.45 | jpinx-eeepc | ,versions pebkac |
| 03:21.45 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'pebkac' was found in i386. |
| 03:22.17 | MTecknology | acronym - problem exists between keyboard and chair |
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| 03:22.29 | jpinx-eeepc | MTecknology: I should not tell you this, but it's probably best to download the deb and install by dpkg -i and watch for the depends |
| 03:22.56 | jpinx-eeepc | whatever - I'm going for breakfast |
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| 03:23.46 | MTecknology | jpinx-eeepc: thanks |
| 03:23.55 | MTecknology | jpinx-eeepc: this is how light the package is -> Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends} |
| 03:24.20 | MTecknology | granted that doesn't say light... just that there's darned near no dependencies |
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| 03:34.12 | MTecknology | It seems Debian doesn't like my IRQ settings in the kernel |
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| 03:37.03 | qq- | sure as admin/ubuntu.member |
| 03:40.39 | MTecknology | qq-: ? |
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| 03:45.25 | MTecknology | I can't remember where that IRC option I'm looking for is.. I know that's what Debian doesn't like though... |
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| 03:52.44 | the_file | what does unstable normally mean for debian?. |
| 03:52.47 | the_file | lack of testing?. |
| 03:57.38 | qq- | the_file, /msg dpkg unstable |
| 03:58.05 | the_file | qq-: just wondering why kde4.5 is considered unstabe with debian |
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| 03:58.44 | andrew1618 | I've got a mobile broadband dongle. It is usb and has a qualcomm msm6246 chip. Any ideas on how to get this hardware runnign with linux? |
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| 04:05.09 | docgnome | any ideas how to improve my boot time? http://docgno.me/bootchart.png |
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| 04:10.13 | Bushmills | andrew1618: those are usually just serial modems on an usb connection. check /dev what device comes up when you plug it in. try a serial terminal on that device, use some hayes AT commands on it. like ATH1, ATH0, ATDT<phone number> |
| 04:11.05 | Bushmills | when those respond, you "just" need the provider specified connection data |
| 04:12.23 | Bushmills | (in a ppp configuration usually, that is) |
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| 04:22.16 | JasonPilton | Is there a command i can use to locate/print out the files that have been created in the past say 1 hour or 1 day? How? |
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| 04:31.11 | Bushmills | JasonPilton: find can do that |
| 04:31.59 | JasonPilton | Bushmills: yea, i assume i can use find and then -mtime somehow. but not sure how to form it. I want a command that will search through my whole comp and find everything created in last 60 minutes |
| 04:32.23 | Bushmills | right, you're on the right track with -mtime |
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| 04:33.00 | JasonPilton | yea but i fail |
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| 04:33.18 | JasonPilton | guess i'll just have to randomly try things until i get it since people hate giving examples more than anything |
| 04:33.41 | docgnome | is squeeze going to use upstart? i've read that in a few places but none of them seem particularly reliable |
| 04:34.15 | JasonPilton | trying to get an actual example is apparently like asking for someone to send me thousands of dollars lol |
| 04:34.16 | JasonPilton | oh well |
| 04:36.19 | Bushmills | JasonPilton: also look at -mmin |
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| 04:37.47 | JasonPilton | ah ok. Thanks |
| 04:38.02 | Bushmills | and try -60 or so as arg (if using minutes) |
| 04:38.21 | repd | hello |
| 04:38.47 | JasonPilton | so if i just do "find -mmin -60" from the base directory it will search through everything on the comp? All the subdirs of the dir im currently in? |
| 04:39.25 | Bushmills | giving actual examples is often considered and called "spoon feeding" and abhorred by many, as this undos the need to read about the command in question |
| 04:40.09 | Bushmills | but i'd do that for 1000 $, grin |
| 04:41.16 | JasonPilton | Oh i understand. but when after reading through the docs and still having problems due to being a linux noob asking for help seems like an appropriate thing to do. I bet 99.99% of people in here could tell me the exact command, but everyone is too amazing and elite to do so because of god complexes |
| 04:41.21 | JasonPilton | I figured it out though, thanks for your help :) |
| 04:43.26 | Bushmills | 99.99 of 593 doesn't result in a natural number. i guess you need soimething close to a 0.2% increment |
| 04:43.51 | JasonPilton | oooo you're cool man, wish i could be like you ;) |
| 04:43.56 | JasonPilton | lol |
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| 04:46.24 | JasonPilton | Maybe i should take everything everyone says literally for a day and see what happens haha |
| 04:48.23 | Bushmills | computers do. you'll get accustomed to it after a while. |
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| 04:51.35 | JasonPilton | what if you program a computer to not take certain things literally? |
| 04:52.00 | JasonPilton | what if you created a vast rule set so that sarcasm could be more or less understood by a computer |
| 04:52.17 | Bushmills | it's still execute the program without ambiguity |
| 04:52.18 | JasonPilton | would you still say it was technically interpretting things litearlly? |
| 04:53.38 | JasonPilton | what if you arrange a series of circuits or something to completely resemble the neurons of a biological brain |
| 04:54.43 | Bushmills | i don't agree more to that than that it resembles. but. whether bool algebra is enough to describe forming a mind from a brain is not clear yet. do processors have all instructions they need to emulate a brain? |
| 04:55.15 | Bushmills | gone now. train waiting |
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| 04:56.21 | JasonPilton | lol, see ya bushmills |
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| 04:58.31 | antimayate | are there any nigger Debian developers? |
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| 05:24.08 | chilli0 | Hello , I am trying to do this: sudo aptitude install php5-gd |
| 05:24.27 | chilli0 | But I am getting 404's what's up with that? |
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| 05:26.33 | MrFrood | try another repository |
| 05:27.49 | chilli0 | Just had to update =P thanks anyway. |
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| 05:33.57 | crazy2k | What does this mean in fetchmail's logs? |
| 05:33.58 | crazy2k | fetchmail[4127]: 669 messages (669 seen) for <address>@gmail.com at pop.gmail.com (5977499 octets) |
| 05:34.11 | crazy2k | It's like there are messages but it's not getting them. |
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| 05:52.30 | Turks | can anyone answer a quick question? im on a portable device (no manpages either) |
| 05:54.44 | MrFrood | !ask |
| 05:54.45 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 05:56.40 | Turks | im trying to compile source packages on the nokia n800, and i need to prevent apt from updating anything so i can install devscripts, debian flavor is maemo 4.x iirc |
| 05:57.00 | macrobat | i wonder, where does this notion of a "quick question" come from? what is it anyway? |
| 05:57.02 | jpinx-eeepc | Turks: firstly it is not debian |
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| 05:57.24 | jpinx-eeepc | Turks: I run maemo on my n900, with debian in a chroot |
| 05:57.58 | Turks | right. so its my imagination that its run by dpkg/apt/etc |
| 05:58.18 | Arrowmaster | so is ubuntu, its still not debian |
| 05:58.46 | jpinx-eeepc | but the answer to your question is probably to download the specific things you want and install with dpkg -i, but watch for the dependencies |
| 05:59.32 | Turks | on a touchscreen with no keyboard? id rather install a stage 1 gentoo installation... |
| 05:59.42 | jpinx-eeepc | Turks: I use apt in my maemo too, but it definitely not debian ;) try /join #maemo |
| 05:59.57 | Turks | they complain |
| 06:00.21 | Turks | which is why i askez here, due to apt originating from debian |
| 06:00.22 | jpinx-eeepc | Turks: I am ssh'd into my n900 from the eeepc and admin everything from there |
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| 06:01.03 | jpinx-eeepc | Turks: I understand you, but we are off-topic here ;) /join #debian-offtopic - I'm in there too |
| 06:01.03 | Turks | phone tether, and again, its not a maemo question. its a question about apt =/ |
| 06:01.03 | Dewi | Turks: don't really understand your question; apt doesn't do anything unless you ask it to... |
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| 06:02.02 | Turks | dewi, its trying to update system packages when i run 'apt-get install devscripts' as root |
| 06:02.11 | jpinx-eeepc | Turks: it's a question about maemo - apt is generic |
| 06:02.24 | Dewi | jpinx-eeepc: this is really quite tedious. You've said it already |
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| 06:02.35 | jpinx-eeepc | Turks: I have given you the solution, please get back on topic -- debian |
| 06:02.36 | Dewi | sighs. |
| 06:03.35 | Dewi | that just generated about 4 times as much spam as just answering the question |
| 06:04.03 | jpinx-eeepc | I answered it at the beginning -- scroll up Dewi ;) |
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| 06:04.51 | Dewi | jpinx-eeepc: yeah I don't really understand that answer, since dpkg will just fail if a dependancy is unsatisfied won't it? |
| 06:04.54 | Dewi | not that it matters now... :) |
| 06:05.04 | jpinx-eeepc | nope |
| 06:05.06 | IanWizard | is anyone still here from earlier, when I was asking about extra repos? |
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| 06:05.36 | jpinx-eeepc | IanWizard: yes - and you were told that non debian repos are not supported geneerally ;) |
| 06:06.04 | jpinx-eeepc | Dewi: dpkg might fail, but it will tell him what the dependencies are that it needs |
| 06:07.23 | Dewi | jpinx-eeepc: yeah it's something I do whenever I backport, cause it's the quickest way to get aptitude to problem-solve a package outside the repo system :P |
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| 06:08.21 | Dilberto | Tired of Niggers? |
| 06:08.26 | Dilberto | Sick of their monkeyshines? |
| 06:08.31 | Dilberto | Then join Chimpout Forum! |
| 06:08.36 | Dilberto | http://www.chimpout.com/forum |
| 06:08.41 | IanWizard | yes, but people began hounding me about how I didn't need anymore, and how I should have plenty, and I said that I had one, and I listed it. I just wanted to inform those people, (you too beardy) that I found what I was looking for, and it was something simple, you all should have thought of it. my problem was that I didn't have the testing and unstable repos, which is why I was having problems with dependencies. |
| 06:08.43 | Dilberto | We are not White Supremacists! |
| 06:08.43 | jpinx-eeepc | exactly - which is why I suggested it to Turks - who didn't bother to ask in #maemo and didn't bother to go to offtopi c for more help |
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| 06:09.51 | jpinx-eeepc | IanWizard: mixing your debian version is definitley a "bad thing" and will bite your ass sooner tha you think ;) |
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| 06:10.23 | Dewi | worst attempt at convincing somebody you're not a white supremacist ever |
| 06:10.55 | jpinx-eeepc | heh |
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| 06:13.25 | beardy | Yes, mixing not only unknown repos, and testing and unstable will surely make things better. |
| 06:13.29 | beardy | Move along now. |
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| 06:15.00 | IanWizard | sooner than I think hasn't happened in several years. |
| 06:15.57 | b11d` | can anyone tell me where I should be placing the linux kernel source? |
| 06:16.10 | b11d` | i pulled down linux-2.6.32.5.tar.gz from kernel.org and extracted it into /usr/src/linux |
| 06:16.13 | b11d` | is that wrong? |
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| 06:16.53 | Parsifal | b11d`: It's generally a better idea to have it in /usr/src/linux-2.6.32.5 |
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| 06:17.03 | Dewi | IanWizard: if you've been doing it for years how come you didn't know how earlier today? |
| 06:17.04 | Parsifal | Then symlink /usr/src/linux to that |
| 06:17.07 | b11d` | ok |
| 06:17.14 | Parsifal | That way if you get a newer kernel version you can just put it in a separate place |
| 06:17.23 | Parsifal | But why 2.6.32.5? They're up to 2.6.32.21 now |
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| 06:17.36 | b11d` | its the default and its what i need at the moment |
| 06:17.43 | b11d` | dont need a kernel upgrade in my way for this purpose |
| 06:17.52 | Parsifal | Alright, I was just curious |
| 06:17.57 | b11d` | np |
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| 06:18.46 | erroneus309 | lookin for some help in samba here, i know u can bind interfaces so samba only uses certain devices.. |
| 06:19.26 | erroneus309 | ..essentially what i'd like is some folders on eth0, and some folders binded to wlan0. is there a way to bind to interfaces not globally? |
| 06:19.44 | Dewi | erroneus309: you probably need to run more than one samba for that |
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| 06:23.40 | jpinx-eeepc | b11d`: why don't you use aptitude to install your kernel if it is a standard? |
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| 06:24.00 | b11d` | can I use it to install the kernel, source, and headers? |
| 06:24.16 | jpinx-eeepc | b11d`: I believe so |
| 06:25.05 | erroneus309 | so your saying just run a second instance of samba w/ an alternate config file |
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| 06:31.26 | Dewi | erroneus309: should be doable. Obviously aptitude won't be able to set that up for you |
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| 06:32.54 | jpinx-eeepc | erroneus309: can you not use non-standard porrts? |
| 06:33.48 | erroneus309 | I can do whatever |
| 06:34.31 | erroneus309 | basically the folders binded to wlan are going to be public and the ones on eth0 will be private my issue is if I bind both interfaces then people on teh wlan can access the private folders (with password of course) |
| 06:34.42 | jpinx-eeepc | erroneus309: non-standard ports "might" fix the problem for you without going through the pain of 2 sambas |
| 06:34.45 | erroneus309 | the seperate .conf file would fix that I guess if that is the easiest way |
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| 06:35.16 | erroneus309 | i believe the ports are a global comand as well i'll have to look |
| 06:35.30 | erroneus309 | problem is u can't use global commands in the [homes] section :/ |
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| 07:03.57 | ChristianCabizza | Among these errors are even DMA ERRORs. Is there any way to rescue my partitions or is my disk completely done??? |
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| 07:05.55 | chilli0 | Hello, I need some urgent help. |
| 07:06.04 | chilli0 | My debian headless has gone crazzyy. |
| 07:06.30 | chilli0 | I have no clue what the heck what has happened. |
| 07:06.46 | chilli0 | when ever I try to use and /etc/init.d/ scripts it does nothing at all |
| 07:07.18 | chilli0 | There are scripts in the folder , and If I cat the scripts I can see that the scripts are there and should work. |
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| 07:07.37 | chilli0 | But running any of the commands jsut gives no output. |
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| 07:08.35 | solars | hey, does anyone know why latest dropbox hangs on debian? |
| 07:08.52 | chilli0 | Please people I need help really fast =S |
| 07:09.09 | alphanet | Hi, I just upgraded my kernel to linux-image-2. 2.6.26-25lenny (OpenVZ) and now the OpenVZ modules say: Unknown symbol compat_alloc_user_space. Anyone having the same problem already? |
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| 07:12.51 | alphanet | ok, it's fixed now :) |
| 07:13.00 | alphanet | (depmod) |
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| 07:16.40 | chilli0 | Hey, I urgently need this fixed does anyone know how to get it working? |
| 07:17.39 | Dewi | chilli0: without an error message or anything it's gonna be difficult |
| 07:17.49 | Dewi | chilli0: what happens if you run a non-existent script called kjsfhjkadfhkjasdfh ? |
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| 07:18.14 | chilli0 | Dewi, ok. I tried something like that /etc/init.d/networkin rawrwork |
| 07:18.16 | chilli0 | and nothing at all. |
| 07:18.55 | chilli0 | command not found for a random one. |
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| 07:19.27 | chilli0 | But , I just figured something weird out. It restarted my apache server when I tryed that, but with networking and samba they just do nothing. No output no errors. |
| 07:20.03 | Dewi | chilli0: try stop not restart. Does it return straight away? |
| 07:20.10 | chilli0 | Yep. |
| 07:20.26 | chilli0 | I googled for about 20mins and found nothing at all like this. |
| 07:20.59 | erroneus309 | so if u '/etc/init.d/cron restart' it doesn't restart it huh |
| 07:21.07 | chilli0 | Ill have a try. |
| 07:21.20 | erroneus309 | you are doing them as root aren't you? like 'sudo /etc/init.d/cron restart' |
| 07:21.34 | erroneus309 | most scripts in init.d require that |
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| 07:22.02 | chilli0 | Yeah I am doing it in root. Cron restarts. |
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| 07:22.19 | erroneus309 | cron is one i know thats installed by default and when restarted it should say : Restarting periodic command scheduler: cron. |
| 07:22.21 | chilli0 | Some do but the ones I need dont ( like networking) I currently have no net on it. |
| 07:22.26 | chilli0 | Yeah it says that. |
| 07:22.41 | erroneus309 | networking? |
| 07:22.44 | chilli0 | I need the server up fast because clients =S |
| 07:22.54 | erroneus309 | the networking init script relies on the interfaces file |
| 07:23.02 | rjb | i am trying to use my computer as an alarm clock, how can i run alarmclock before login? |
| 07:23.08 | chilli0 | The interfaces file works fine , and hasn't been touched. |
| 07:23.35 | chilli0 | It has been working the past 5 months. The thing I have done today is install a php5 grapichs module. |
| 07:23.44 | Dewi | rjb: is that an X app? you'd probably be better off using something you can run as a daemon |
| 07:23.46 | chilli0 | But nothing else has been touched. |
| 07:23.48 | erroneus309 | weird man |
| 07:24.01 | erroneus309 | so when u type 'ifconfig' u have nothing? |
| 07:24.08 | Dewi | rjb: or just a cron task to play a sound file or something |
| 07:24.27 | rjb | Dewi: it isnt an X app |
| 07:24.38 | rjb | Dewi: how can i do that with cron |
| 07:24.47 | erroneus309 | if its not X u can make an init script and start it in runlevel2 with everything else |
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| 07:25.23 | Dewi | rjb: 'crontab -e' brings up editor |
| 07:25.28 | rjb | init scripts are ran before login? |
| 07:25.34 | chilli0 | erroneus309, Weirder, It say ifconfig not found. |
| 07:25.48 | chilli0 | I did do an update on the system also today. And worked fine before the restart. |
| 07:25.52 | erroneus309 | chilli0: ifconfig is root only 'sudo ifconfig' should show u all NICs |
| 07:26.27 | erroneus309 | rjb: yes, there are several init scripts which run before login, u can easily add/remove them |
| 07:26.28 | nsadmin | if you have sudo installed../ |
| 07:26.29 | rjb | Dewi: what should do after editor opens? |
| 07:26.29 | Dewi | rjb: assume you have a command that plays a sound called /bin/playsnd, add a crontab line like: 0 7 * * * /bin/playsnd |
| 07:26.31 | erroneus309 | sort of like start up scripts |
| 07:26.51 | Dewi | rjb: that last * could be replaced by a day-of-week restriction too |
| 07:26.58 | chilli0 | sudo ifconfig gives me no outputs just returns to next line. |
| 07:27.08 | Dewi | chilli0: maybe sudo is broken |
| 07:27.35 | chilli0 | Dewi, Not broken, I tried that. Because some scripts work I managed to restart cron and apache |
| 07:27.39 | erroneus309 | wow, that is very odd, chilli0 you can try ifconfig eth0 up |
| 07:27.39 | nsadmin | maybe you have no interfaces up |
| 07:27.45 | Dewi | chilli0: /sbin/ifconfig -a |
| 07:27.50 | erroneus309 | assuming eth0 is your LAN internet device |
| 07:27.52 | chilli0 | kay. |
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| 07:28.34 | rjb | Dewi: thank you |
| 07:28.44 | nsadmin | was going to go for just ifconfig -a but /sbin/ifconfig -a doesn't care what PATH is |
| 07:28.57 | nsadmin | and doesn't need to konw |
| 07:29.05 | chilli0 | Dewi, Shows me lo and eth0 |
| 07:29.22 | chilli0 | So I put up eth0 and that then showed under ifconfig. |
| 07:29.26 | Dewi | rjb: pretty good for a one-liner. Dunno what you should do to shut it off tho. :) You'd need to kill it with a signal |
| 07:29.32 | chilli0 | But still can't ping any ip's |
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| 07:29.45 | Dewi | chilli0: so eth0 is down. but why? |
| 07:30.00 | erroneus309 | sweet, so 'up' worked then |
| 07:30.03 | chilli0 | It's up.. |
| 07:30.08 | chilli0 | It's not connecting. |
| 07:30.14 | chilli0 | Up worked correct. |
| 07:30.28 | erroneus309 | what dns are you using |
| 07:30.31 | Dewi | chilli0: so 'ifconfig' displays output now? |
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| 07:30.48 | Dewi | by itself |
| 07:30.59 | chilli0 | It shows yeah. |
| 07:31.11 | chilli0 | erroneus309, Either way DNS isn't the problem it's the init.d scripts. |
| 07:31.15 | Dewi | so what does it say for 'gateway' ? |
| 07:31.27 | chilli0 | Because they give no outputs ( well some) |
| 07:31.34 | chilli0 | Umm , ill have a look. |
| 07:31.35 | Dewi | er hang on, that's windows :P |
| 07:31.45 | Dewi | chilli0: stop saying things don't output, clearly most things to |
| 07:31.46 | Dewi | chilli0: stop saying things don't output, clearly most things do |
| 07:31.54 | erroneus309 | yea it should have a gateway |
| 07:32.14 | Dewi | erroneus309: nah that's windows, in unix that's only under 'route' |
| 07:32.20 | chilli0 | Dewi, Ok, I type this in. media@media: sudo /etc/init.d/networking stop |
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| 07:32.27 | chilli0 | And it does this. media@media: |
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| 07:32.41 | Dewi | chilli0: your prompt has no $ ? |
| 07:32.41 | chilli0 | Just goes to a new line. Ergo no output, and same with restarting samba. |
| 07:32.57 | erroneus309 | IP route would show u |
| 07:33.01 | erroneus309 | ip route |
| 07:33.01 | chilli0 | Dewi, Yeah. |
| 07:33.28 | Dewi | chilli0: why would you restart something that is not running? the command 'is 'start |
| 07:33.32 | Dewi | 'start' even |
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| 07:34.09 | chilli0 | ip route skips to a new line also. |
| 07:34.26 | chilli0 | Start/ stop / restart. None work. |
| 07:34.27 | erroneus309 | sooooo u have no default gateway then |
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| 07:34.59 | Dewi | chilli0: yeah, cause all these things are empty or unconfigured |
| 07:35.12 | chilli0 | erroneus309, That will not have any effect on this. Because 1. It's not just the network 2. It has been workings 5months nothign has been changed with the networking file. |
| 07:35.13 | Dewi | chilli0: what's changed? |
| 07:35.39 | chilli0 | I did an update , and also installed a apache php module. |
| 07:35.44 | chilli0 | As I said before. |
| 07:36.13 | Dewi | did you reboot? did you take down networking? |
| 07:36.19 | erroneus309 | updating kernel kind of is a change but okay |
| 07:36.32 | chilli0 | I have rebooted yes, I don't know if the kernal was updated. Did I say that I did? |
| 07:36.38 | chilli0 | I did sudo aptitude update |
| 07:36.50 | chilli0 | took about 3mins to update if that says anything. |
| 07:36.51 | Dewi | so did this problem happen after a reboot, or after 5 months of operation? |
| 07:36.56 | chilli0 | Reboot. |
| 07:37.06 | Dewi | 'sudo aptitude update' doesn't install anything |
| 07:37.16 | chilli0 | Never said it did. |
| 07:37.25 | Dewi | why would you run it and then reboot? |
| 07:37.27 | chilli0 | I said that I ran that command , and erroneus309 said that it updated my kernal. |
| 07:37.41 | chilli0 | I reboot to make sure everything would work on reboot. |
| 07:37.54 | Dewi | why didn't you upgrade anything tho? |
| 07:38.00 | chilli0 | ? |
| 07:38.06 | Dewi | 17:37:05 < Dewi> 'sudo aptitude update' doesn't install anything |
| 07:38.07 | Dewi | 17:37:16 < chilli0> Never said it did. |
| 07:38.10 | Dewi | why run it then? |
| 07:38.13 | Dewi | you're not making any sense |
| 07:38.32 | chilli0 | Ok , I tryed to install the php5 thingo , and i got a 404 |
| 07:38.35 | chilli0 | So some one said run update |
| 07:38.39 | chilli0 | so I ran the update |
| 07:38.40 | erroneus309 | so now your say ing u didn't update the system u just apt-get udpate |
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| 07:38.42 | chilli0 | then I could install it. |
| 07:38.53 | chilli0 | So yeah.. |
| 07:39.27 | Dewi | wrong |
| 07:39.34 | chilli0 | ... |
| 07:39.51 | Dewi | 'sudo aptitude update' updates an internal cache, it does nothing to your system |
| 07:40.04 | chilli0 | So some one said run update |
| 07:40.30 | erroneus309 | well i'm completely lost here, good luck chilli I knew 'up' would work and it did but your not to fond of my ideas |
| 07:40.36 | erroneus309 | so good lucks |
| 07:40.45 | chilli0 | wtf dude? |
| 07:40.50 | chilli0 | I did everything you said. |
| 07:40.51 | Dewi | chilli0: what's the php5 module? |
| 07:40.52 | chilli0 | Nothing worked. |
| 07:41.00 | chilli0 | php5-gd |
| 07:41.21 | Dewi | okay so pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 07:41.29 | chilli0 | How? |
| 07:41.35 | erroneus309 | u said up brought up eth0 u just need to assign a gateway now but whatever man i do it manually everyday on my wpa2- network cuz ndiswrapper fails |
| 07:42.21 | chilli0 | erroneus309, I said 3 times the initerfaces file haddent been changed in 5months and that it had gateway in it, set to the router 10.0.0.138 |
| 07:42.24 | Dewi | chilli0: copy-paste it into the box on http://pastebin.com/ |
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| 07:42.46 | Dewi | chilli0: yeah but how long since your previous reboot? |
| 07:42.50 | erroneus309 | if u type ip route and gateway doesn't show up it clearly isn't working right man |
| 07:42.59 | chilli0 | Dewi, No clue. |
| 07:43.12 | Dewi | so it could have been broken for ages |
| 07:43.22 | erroneus309 | thats pretty simple networking, network card, with ip address, without gateway, equals no internets |
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| 07:43.30 | erroneus309 | anyhow good luck |
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| 07:43.41 | chilli0 | I didn't ever get an IP. |
| 07:44.01 | Dewi | chilli0: how is your IP normally assigned? |
| 07:44.08 | chilli0 | Static to 10.0.0.23 |
| 07:44.26 | chilli0 | ca |
| 07:45.49 | chilli0 | I checked the interface file , there is gateway 10.0.0.138 ( my router) |
| 07:46.12 | Dewi | what version of debian are you using? |
| 07:46.49 | chilli0 | Lenny |
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| 07:47.53 | willemb | Greetings. Can someone suggest an alternative to mod_security? |
| 07:48.27 | Dewi | chilli0: have you tried assigning an ip, mask, and gateway manually with ifconfig and then pinging your gateway? |
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| 07:49.08 | chilli0 | Dewi, No , all do respect. I dont think it has anything to do with that. It's that my init.d script's arent working. |
| 07:49.34 | Dewi | chilli0: so... what do you want to focus on? |
| 07:49.47 | Dewi | chilli0: are you running bash? then you can run scripts |
| 07:49.49 | chilli0 | getting /etc/init.d working. |
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| 07:50.16 | Dewi | chilli0: you need to figure out what's failing |
| 07:50.37 | chilli0 | That's the thing. The scripts just go to a new line. Well most of them apache says some things , and starts. But networking and samba dont give me anything. |
| 07:50.44 | chilli0 | where is the log file? |
| 07:50.46 | Dewi | I'm not surprised if daemons do nothing useful if their configured interfaces are garbage |
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| 07:51.18 | Dewi | you should get your network up before trying to do anything with network servers |
| 07:51.44 | chilli0 | Ok , what could / should I do to get the network up. |
| 07:51.45 | Dewi | chilli0: /var/log/* |
| 07:52.04 | Dewi | chilli0: bring it up manually, then apply those settings to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 07:54.02 | chilli0 | How do I bring it up manually? |
| 07:54.12 | chilli0 | sudo ifconfig eth0 up |
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| 07:56.45 | Dewi | chilli0: sudo ifconfig eth0 10.0.0.23 netmask 255.0.0.0 |
| 07:56.58 | Dewi | chilli0: sudo route add default gw 10.0.0.138 |
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| 08:00.02 | chilli0 | Dewi, Ok network is up. |
| 08:00.06 | chilli0 | Pinging works fine. |
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| 08:02.04 | Dewi | chilli0: okay so whatever configures your networking isn't working |
| 08:02.11 | Dewi | chilli0: /etc/init.d/networking just does 'ifup -a' |
| 08:02.30 | chilli0 | Okay, would that have anything to do with samba? |
| 08:02.46 | Dewi | only that samba relies on networking |
| 08:03.30 | Dewi | is samba still broken? |
| 08:03.54 | chilli0 | I tried to go /etc/init.d/samba start but just went to a new line. |
| 08:04.49 | chilli0 | so , how can I make the network work everytime? |
| 08:05.04 | Dewi | chilli0: run this as root |
| 08:05.06 | Dewi | chilli0: test -x /usr/sbin/nmbd -a -x /usr/sbin/smbd || echo BROKEN |
| 08:06.33 | chilli0 | kay. |
| 08:06.40 | Dewi | did it say broken or nothing? |
| 08:06.47 | chilli0 | Haven't ran it yet. |
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| 08:09.10 | chilli0 | Dewi, brb , dinner. |
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| 08:10.49 | gnarface | ok so i've been trying to chase down this weird memory leak issue and i'm coming up zeroes. it's behaving like a memory leak but free -m never gets to "0" free, it hardly ever even gets close. is it possible something *else* might be leaking and causing similar behavior... like could it be leaking file handles or something weird like that? |
| 08:12.15 | gnarface | the issue doesn't seem to clear when the program closes like you'd expect, so i'm wondering if it's leaving dangling file pointers. is that possible? |
| 08:13.09 | Dewi | gnarface: the system moves things between cache and free as it sees fit, doesn't it? |
| 08:13.40 | Dewi | gnarface: my "free" is less than 10MB but I'm not using any swap.. |
| 08:14.11 | Dewi | while on this other machine "free" is 50MB and I'm using 8MiB of swap |
| 08:14.22 | chilli0 | Dewi, It echoed out BROKEN |
| 08:14.23 | chilli0 | brb again. |
| 08:14.35 | Dewi | chilli0: that means samba is not installed correctly |
| 08:14.52 | Dewi | (the files are not present and executable) |
| 08:15.21 | Dewi | which is a silent failure at the top of the init.d script |
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| 08:19.17 | gnarface | Dewi: i've seen it grind the whole system towards a complete lockup, harddrive thrashing, and if i can fight the mouse over to a terminal i can confirm 0 used swap and more than 30% of physical memory still free |
| 08:19.34 | gnarface | ... right before it completely freezes and i have to hard reboot |
| 08:19.53 | hid3 | Hello everyone. Any ideas how do I submit my mirror to the cdn.debian.net queue? |
| 08:20.08 | gnarface | Dewi: ...or else the program bails out on it's own, but i still have to completely exit X to get my interface lag to disappear completely |
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| 08:20.36 | Dewi | gnarface: oh, you know what program is causing it then? |
| 08:21.02 | Dewi | gnutron: could it just be doing insane levels of I/O? |
| 08:21.13 | willemb | Hey. any advice for choosing an IDS system? |
| 08:21.24 | willemb | We are looking at mod_security at the moment. |
| 08:22.18 | gnarface | Dewi: oh yes, i have isolated it down to one program but due to the whole "need to exit X completely or reboot" thing i'm still not sure whether to blame the video card drivers ultimately or not. my new hypothesis is file handles because I would imagine if it were a memory leak i'd see 0 free memory and all the swap used up before it gets this slow. |
| 08:22.27 | gnarface | Dewi: if i tell you what program it is, you'll be mad at me though |
| 08:25.05 | willemb | Of course, snort would give us wider protection, but will it still top people from leveraging security holes in cms modules? |
| 08:26.48 | chilli0 | Dewi, How can I also get the networking script to work? |
| 08:26.51 | gnarface | willemb: i'm only familiar with the theory of snort, and i think it's a great IDS but if you have holes in your CMS system it's probably easier to fix them or only allow trusted users onto your network in the first place. |
| 08:27.58 | gnarface | snort is great for setting up "expected" traffic and red-flagging anything unexpected, but i don't know how well it would do telling malicious http requests from normal ones if the requests were already all going to the same interface |
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| 08:30.28 | willemb | gnarface: Some more background information might be pertinent. We are a shared web hosting company with over 1000 servers and over 80 000 domains. We don't have enough control over what our customers do with their sites to insist on recent versions of joomla, etc |
| 08:31.14 | gnarface | willemb: ouch. i feel for you buddy |
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| 08:32.41 | willemb | gnarface: which is why we are considering mod_security. So that we can stop things like sql injection attempts on a generic level |
| 08:32.52 | willemb | it looks like nikto does a good job of testing for these |
| 08:33.07 | willemb | I wonder what places like dreamhost and rackspace do? |
| 08:33.08 | gnarface | the problem i see is you're still limited to known attacks |
| 08:33.26 | Dewi | chilli0: hard to say without the config file |
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| 08:33.55 | gnarface | willemb: i'm guessing places like dreamhost and rackspace just throttle you if you become a bandwidth issue, or lock all traffic to/from your server if it starts to spam |
| 08:33.59 | chilli0 | Dewi, If I gave you ssh access would that help? |
| 08:34.18 | chilli0 | ill brb going onto ubuntu. |
| 08:34.31 | willemb | gnarface: yes, that's what we said when management came to us with the problem. They make a good point though: It is pretty embarrassing if we get a phonecall because someone's site was defaced using a 5 year old attack vector |
| 08:35.14 | Dewi | willemb: well there's nothing you can do to stop it completely |
| 08:35.35 | Dewi | willemb: so with such a large operation my priority would be detection and response |
| 08:35.52 | Dewi | willemb: but a web application firewall sounds like a great idea too |
| 08:36.11 | Dewi | willemb: it's not really your embarrassment as much as the person adminning the joomlas instance |
| 08:36.52 | Dewi | willemb: (I've been in your position before, but in a much tinier operation, and this was a huge problem we never had the resources to satisfactorily solved) |
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| 08:37.09 | willemb | Dewi: with our kind of client, they don't neccessarily know the difference between their webmaster (the fly-by-night that cobbled up their website over a weekend and dissappeared) and their web host (us) |
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| 08:37.18 | chilli0 | Dewi, Hey back. Ok so would giving you ssh access help? |
| 08:37.21 | Dewi | chilli0: you are too trusting. Could you paste your /etc/networking/interfaces file to pastebin.com or similar? |
| 08:37.28 | chilli0 | Ok. |
| 08:37.37 | Dewi | willemb: yeah I know what you mean |
| 08:37.44 | chilli0 | Dewi, I know , but I need this back up ASAP. |
| 08:37.52 | rjb | hi i tried 25 4 * * * /usr/bin/mpg321 /home/ricardo/Music/music.mp3 but it only plays after login what can i do? |
| 08:38.19 | rjb | i am using crontab |
| 08:38.37 | chilli0 | Dewi, I dont have that file do you mean /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 08:39.00 | chilli0 | Dewi, http://pastebin.com/6QsLD0Fe |
| 08:39.15 | Dewi | rjb: cron should run anytime. Maybe your sound output is reliant on X? |
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| 08:39.50 | rjb | Dewi what can i do to get sound output |
| 08:39.55 | Dewi | chilli0: that netmask is invalid, try 255.0.0.0 |
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| 08:40.27 | Dewi | chilli0: broadcast should be 10.255.255.255 |
| 08:40.50 | Dewi | chilli0: maybe your upgrade made it more pedantic about those or something |
| 08:40.55 | gnarface | willemb: you might want to consider keeping some sort of exploit watch list on the web software people can get from you with your stock and automated installation packages, and make sure to warn them to upgrade when something serious comes up |
| 08:41.03 | HackeMate | hello, how can I install a webproxy? |
| 08:41.15 | chilli0 | Ok , I did all of that. But /etc/init.d/networking start/ stop / restart doens't work. |
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| 08:41.45 | Dewi | chilli0: does 'ifdown -a' take down your network? |
| 08:42.16 | chilli0 | Weird... media@Media:~$ sudo ifdown -a |
| 08:42.16 | chilli0 | sudo: ifdown: command not found |
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| 08:42.51 | Dewi | chilli0: okay you are clearly missing a few integral binaries. What does 'sudo aptitude install' say? |
| 08:43.05 | Dewi | chilli0: if your system is healthy that should output a bunch of stats and do nothing. |
| 08:43.40 | Dewi | chilli0: if you have a broken package system (which it sounds like you do) it will give details and suggestions |
| 08:43.43 | chilli0 | http://pastebin.com/UGuUHde1 |
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| 08:44.53 | Dewi | chilli0: sudo apt-cache policy ifupdown |
| 08:45.42 | chilli0 | http://pastebin.com/vR0VzcYF |
| 08:46.24 | chilli0 | Dewi, If giving you ssh access will help me to get this done faster I will do it. |
| 08:47.15 | Dewi | can anyone remember the definition of the base system packages? |
| 08:47.42 | themill | !standard task |
| 08:47.42 | dpkg | standard task is, like, a "task" that should be installed on all machines during the installer stage. It installs packages that are important, required and standard (i.e. "aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant"). For a list of packages see http://wiki.debian.org/tasksel . Also ask me about <tasksel>. |
| 08:48.18 | themill | chilli0: giving out access to strangers is a very very bad idea. Plus, it won't help you learn what to do next time you meet this sort of problem |
| 08:48.21 | Dewi | themill: thanks, more than I wanted |
| 08:48.32 | Dewi | chilli0: sudo aptitude install ~prequired ~pimportant |
| 08:48.38 | willemb | "stock and automated installation packages" |
| 08:48.43 | willemb | what "stock and automated installation packages" ? :-p |
| 08:48.44 | Dewi | chilli0: that should attempt to install the parts of your base system that are missing |
| 08:48.47 | chilli0 | Yeah I know themill. |
| 08:49.18 | Dewi | themill: ... but the others were in the factoid too :) |
| 08:49.33 | chilli0 | Dewi, It's going to take 11mins on my internet speed so yeah. |
| 08:49.43 | willemb | gnarface: customers install cms's using ftp and the web interface. We DO however have a list of cms's known to work on our platform. |
| 08:50.00 | Dewi | chilli0: you might have to install 'samba' again too, it looked gone also |
| 08:50.11 | chilli0 | Dewi, Will I lose my config file> |
| 08:50.15 | Dewi | chilli0: nope |
| 08:50.26 | chilli0 | Good, I'll back it up anyway. |
| 08:50.56 | Dewi | chilli0: if there's a collision with the version you last used it will ask whether to use new defaults or existing config, and it makes backups either way |
| 08:51.11 | Dewi | but if you're on stable none of that should happen |
| 08:51.19 | chilli0 | okay. |
| 08:51.43 | Dewi | I probably should have gotten you to make sure that sid source was removed or pinned :/ |
| 08:52.22 | chilli0 | ? |
| 08:52.53 | gnarface | willemb: it's not going to be a cheap task to combat this type of stuff. i really feel for you. |
| 08:52.59 | gnarface | i'm off to eat some dinner and watch tivo |
| 08:53.04 | gnarface | later people |
| 08:54.12 | Dewi | chilli0: if you are worried sid might not be pinned, press ctrl-c before the downloads finish |
| 08:54.31 | chilli0 | I don't know what the sid being pinned does? |
| 08:54.31 | Dewi | chilli0: then edit /etc/apt/sources.list and put a # before anything that isn't lenny |
| 08:54.38 | themill | Dewi: ~pstandard is generally expected to be on the box as well as the others; but yes, I knew that factoid had the essence of what you wanted and was hoping you'd tune the implementation details to the specific case :) |
| 08:54.59 | Dewi | chilli0: deb-src lines don't matter, but it looked before like you had a 'deb' line with 'sid' |
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| 08:55.11 | anddam | hello |
| 08:55.26 | chilli0 | Dewi, All of the downloads were comming from sid/main =S |
| 08:55.29 | chilli0 | I cnrt-c |
| 08:55.39 | Dewi | chilli0: phew. glad you interrupted before it finished then |
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| 08:56.14 | Dewi | chilli0: after editing the file back to only lenny for its 'deb' lines, you'll need to run 'aptitude update' for the changes to take affect. Then run that same command as before |
| 08:56.36 | chilli0 | Okay. |
| 08:56.56 | chilli0 | Score is -170? |
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| 08:57.07 | Dewi | what said that? |
| 08:57.13 | anddam | trying to install tremulous-server with aptitude provides tremulous{a} that should mean automatically installed as dependency, how can I know what packages it depends on? |
| 08:57.17 | Dewi | you'll need to pastebin the context chilli0 |
| 08:57.32 | chilli0 | aptitude said that =P |
| 08:57.40 | Dewi | anddam: it should list every package it will install |
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| 08:57.52 | chilli0 | Ok it's done now. |
| 08:57.56 | anddam | Dewi: it who, aptitude? |
| 08:58.02 | Dewi | anddam: yeah |
| 08:58.16 | Dewi | anddam: oh is this the full-screen one? |
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| 08:58.50 | Dewi | anddam: the deps should be highlighted and you can press enter on them to expand and see their deps |
| 08:58.52 | chilli0 | Dewi, Ok that's all done. So now do I reboot? |
| 08:58.54 | Dewi | if that's what you mean? |
| 08:58.57 | Dewi | chilli0: no |
| 08:58.57 | smhar | greetings |
| 08:58.57 | anddam | Dewi: I say no as I don't understand what full-screen you're referring to |
| 08:59.06 | anddam | Dewi: no, this is CLI |
| 08:59.20 | smhar | how to kill a logged-in user from the command line? |
| 08:59.26 | Dewi | chilli0: did you run 'update' and 'install ~prequired ~pimportant' ? |
| 08:59.30 | chilli0 | Yes. |
| 08:59.41 | Dewi | anddam: then it lists every package it's installing before proceeding |
| 08:59.58 | Dewi | anddam: or did you want to know the dependancies in general including already satisfied ones? |
| 09:00.05 | smhar | I tried killall -u user and the user is killed, but I can not log to it again |
| 09:00.14 | chilli0 | Dewi, I will reinstall samba. |
| 09:00.18 | anddam | Dewi: and I'm fine with that, I'd like to understand what package is trying to force install of package "tremulous" tha shouldn't be needed at all |
| 09:00.19 | Dewi | anddam: aptitude show tremulous |
| 09:00.33 | Dewi | chilli0: did it finish with a negative score? |
| 09:00.43 | anddam | Dewi: I'm using apt-cache show but it's the same |
| 09:00.49 | chilli0 | Dewi, ? |
| 09:00.54 | Dewi | chilli0: it sounds like something went wrong. Any interesting output to pastebin? |
| 09:01.23 | chilli0 | Dewi, It had the score -170 at the start. and I just continued. |
| 09:01.30 | chilli0 | And nothing went wrong ( as far as I can tell) |
| 09:01.34 | Dewi | chilli0: oh right. did it show a score when it finished? |
| 09:01.40 | chilli0 | Nop. |
| 09:01.49 | chilli0 | What does the score represent? |
| 09:01.54 | anddam | Dewi: this will show tremulous dependencies and not what package tremulous is a dependent for |
| 09:01.59 | Dewi | it sounds like it might have needed to remove something conflicting chilli0 |
| 09:02.06 | Dewi | probably the thing that broke your system |
| 09:02.14 | chilli0 | I think it remove a few things. |
| 09:02.32 | Dewi | mixing binaries from sid can do that |
| 09:03.02 | Dewi | you are better off using lenny backports (bpo), or building debs from source (which we call ssd "simple sid backport") |
| 09:03.17 | Dewi | takes longer but won't break your system :P |
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| 09:03.49 | Dewi | anddam: oh I see what you mean |
| 09:03.59 | anddam | Dewi: I'll explain more clearly in a few secs |
| 09:04.59 | anddam | Dewi: http://paste.lisp.org/+2GJF why does tremulous-server try to install tremulous too? |
| 09:05.10 | Dewi | anddam: aptitude search ~Rtremulous |
| 09:05.36 | anddam | tremulous-data |
| 09:06.29 | anddam | that doesn't seems correct, is ~R a search for required? |
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| 09:06.55 | Dewi | anddam: tremulous-data recommends it |
| 09:07.18 | Tyzao | heallo ehver ree bahdee |
| 09:07.20 | Dewi | anddam: ~R is a search for reverse, things which have dependencies on tremulous |
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| 09:07.32 | Dewi | anddam: by default aptitude does install recommended packages |
| 09:07.53 | anddam | I'll search how to disable recommended |
| 09:07.55 | Tyzao | can someone recommend an app for working with pdfs |
| 09:07.57 | anddam | thanks |
| 09:08.08 | chilli0 | Dewi, Argg. The server just did something weird. I closed my ssh connection , and now I can't connect to it |
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| 09:08.19 | chilli0 | I can ping it. |
| 09:08.31 | anddam | Dewi: -R |
| 09:08.48 | Tyzao | so I can enter data into forms and save |
| 09:08.48 | Dewi | anddam: yeah. I change it by typing 'aptitude' and changing the option in the full-screen thing |
| 09:08.54 | Dewi | anddam: change the default I mean |
| 09:09.06 | Dewi | anddam: -R will do it once |
| 09:09.37 | Dewi | chilli0: sounds like smbd is down |
| 09:09.44 | Dewi | chilli0: er. sshd |
| 09:10.22 | Tyzao | has anyone used xpdf or epdf |
| 09:10.26 | Dewi | chilli0: you need to ensure everything you need is installed, because it looks like lots of stuff got removed sometime |
| 09:11.02 | Dewi | Tyzao: does that even work with adobe reader? |
| 09:11.10 | Tyzao | anyone have a suggestion? |
| 09:11.26 | Tyzao | i dont think so |
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| 09:11.33 | chilli0 | Dewi, I dunno what I did. I just restarted. Everything is back to normal. |
| 09:11.40 | Tyzao | i can open an read but cant save |
| 09:11.45 | Tyzao | the forms works |
| 09:12.13 | chilli0 | Oh nm. Ssh is down. |
| 09:12.14 | Dewi | chilli0: cool |
| 09:12.31 | Dewi | chilli0: oh. Can you get a console shell? |
| 09:12.45 | anddam | thanks |
| 09:12.47 | Dewi | make sure it's still installed for a start |
| 09:12.48 | atof | tyzao: try evince or okular for reading pdf files, and editing with pdfedit app |
| 09:12.54 | chilli0 | I have it plugged into this screen. So yeah I can get access to a shell. |
| 09:13.17 | Tyzao | ok ill try it |
| 09:13.17 | anddam | is update-rc.d the right tool to handle init.d scripts? |
| 09:13.25 | Dewi | anddam: should be fine |
| 09:14.36 | Tyzao | im installing okular |
| 09:14.41 | Dewi | chilli0: 'apt-cache policy openssh-server' and so on |
| 09:15.38 | chilli0 | I am reinstalling it =P |
| 09:16.03 | Dewi | chilli0: going back to what themill said before, it's a good idea to install ~pstandard too, just useful basic stuff |
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| 09:16.19 | chilli0 | Dewi, I ran that command. |
| 09:16.40 | Dewi | chilli0: that was ~prequired ~pimportant |
| 09:16.56 | chilli0 | Oh my bad. What's the command then? |
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| 09:17.09 | Dewi | chilli0: aptitude install ~pstandard |
| 09:17.33 | Dewi | chilli0: none of that's required stuff, just handy small tools most people expect |
| 09:17.38 | chilli0 | In progress thanks. |
| 09:18.21 | Dewi | imma get some much needed exercise |
| 09:18.29 | Dewi | good luck chilli0daug |
| 09:18.30 | chilli0 | Ok thanks for the help. |
| 09:18.38 | Dewi | np |
| 09:18.51 | chilli0 | If it screws it self again. Ill just throw it out a window and then try restarting =D |
| 09:19.36 | Dewi | it was probably that sid source. That can work fine for minor packages, but then one day it upgrades something important and everything goes down |
| 09:20.04 | chilli0 | I see =P |
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| 09:20.20 | Dewi | so next time you need to go outside lenny, try backports then 'simple sid backports' (ask dpkg bot) |
| 09:21.16 | Dewi | and then I'd build from a random .tar.gz before I'd mix binaries |
| 09:21.24 | chilli0 | Ok thanks =D |
| 09:22.44 | Dewi | wishlist: aptitude having a one-liner for builds from source so people stop mixing distros :P |
| 09:23.10 | Dewi | (yes I know it's only 3 lines, but it's enough that lots of people miss it) |
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| 09:27.26 | ChristianCabizza | Has Anyone had any problem in upgrade from GRUB to GRUB2? I'm a newbie, and I receive a long sequence of errors in my boot sequence when Linux tries to mount my partitions.Among these errors are even DMA ERRORs. Is there any way to rescue my partitions or is my disk completely done??? |
| 09:27.37 | ChristianCabizza | Kernel version 2.6.35 |
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| 09:31.47 | jelly-home | ChristianCabizza: that's more of a kernel/driver issue than a grub issue |
| 09:32.04 | cerpintaxt | java applets are not running in iceweasel. what can i do? - installed sun-java6-plugin, i am on a debian testing machine amd64 arch |
| 09:33.46 | ChristianCabizza | jelly-home: Thanks a lot. This is a clue. :-) Where can I start to find a solution? May be a wrong-uuid-stuff??? |
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| 09:34.43 | jelly-home | ChristianCabizza: have you tried booting the previous kernel, instead? |
| 09:35.14 | ChristianCabizza | I can't. It doesn't found any partition. |
| 09:35.42 | ChristianCabizza | It leaves me into initramfs mode |
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| 09:40.16 | b0nghitter | excellent.. adobe finally released flash media server 4 which supports native 64bit.. no more ia32-emu :D server load is 1/3 what it was before |
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| 09:43.50 | ChristianCabizza | jelly-home: I can't. It doesn't found any partition. |
| 09:44.02 | ChristianCabizza | jelly-home: It leaves me into initramfs mode |
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| 09:46.20 | gromgull | Am I right that there is no clean way to make python default to 2.6 rather than 2.5? |
| 09:52.30 | stew | gromgull: upgrade to squeeze after it is released |
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| 09:53.59 | gromgull | stew: really? I run squeeze, but /usr/bin/python still gives me 2.5 |
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| 09:55.30 | spajderix | hi |
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| 09:59.03 | spajderix | I have a Mustec UPS connected through ttyS0. I use megatec driver, command /lib/nut/megatec -DDD -a PowerMust, shows voltage and calculated battery state, but after firing nut i get messages like: Communications with UPS PowerMust@127.0.0.1:3493 lost. Cheked with nmap, and 3493 is open. Where should i look for errors? |
| 10:00.12 | stew | judd: info python --release squeeze |
| 10:00.16 | judd | Package python (python, standard) in squeeze/i386: interactive high-level object-oriented language (default version). Version: 2.6.5-13; Size: 159.0k; Installed: 720k; Homepage: http://www.python.org/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/python |
| 10:02.44 | mistrynitesh | tried installing scribus on lenny... it asked for dvd 1... but then it gives me this error - http://paste.debian.net/90757 |
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| 10:06.32 | gromgull | stew: i'll be damned, seems the upgrade to python had just been held back cause it needed to remove some old crud. Thanks! |
| 10:06.58 | ChristianCabizza | has anyone problems in booting Debian testing after upgrading to 2.6.35? Mine is blocked at starting saying that it can't find disk device... can't be a uuid problem??? |
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| 10:08.36 | ChristianCabizza | i'm dirven into initramfs mode... I can't access any partition... nothing! |
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| 10:25.50 | Tyzao | i want to install the pdfedit |
| 10:26.01 | Tyzao | which file should I download? |
| 10:26.49 | petemc | aptitude install pdfedit |
| 10:27.12 | Tyzao | i type that from a cmd window? |
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| 10:28.24 | Tyzao | from root terminal? |
| 10:28.52 | petemc | im sure you'll figure it out eventually |
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| 10:31.27 | Tyzao | ok i just used the add/remove applications tab |
| 10:31.36 | Tyzao | is that the same as aptitude |
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| 10:41.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | should i file bugs/patches against ftpmasters ftpsync scripts on bugs.d.o or email ftpmaster? |
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| 10:45.43 | stew | Kamping_Kaiser: what scripts? in general a bug against ftp.debian.org pseudo package is better |
| 10:46.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | stew: the ones at https://ftp-master.debian.org/git/archvsync.git |
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| 10:47.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | and roger on the pseudo package |
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| 10:49.40 | [Jasper] | hej guys, does /proc/net/dev normally reset? |
| 10:49.42 | [Jasper] | after time? |
| 10:54.23 | nsadmin | I would think, no |
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| 11:10.03 | jimcooncat | I'd like to play with gtk-server, but can't find any debian package or instructions. Anyone know this software? |
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| 11:22.11 | [Jasper] | nsadmin I would think yes.. |
| 11:22.12 | [Jasper] | but |
| 11:22.15 | manouch | hello... i got a new rootserver with the save hardware-configuration... just the ip address has changed |
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| 11:22.49 | manouch | is there an easy way to copy the stuff from the old rootserver to the new one? |
| 11:23.03 | petern_ | What is a rootserver? |
| 11:23.15 | manouch | dedicated server |
| 11:23.56 | petern_ | I'd install whatever packages are needed, and use rsync to copy the data. |
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| 11:25.46 | sedulous | i'd just boot the rescue system, partition & format, mount, rsync, run grub, boot |
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| 11:27.20 | manouch | okay thank you guys |
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| 11:42.32 | xelister | install of openjdk-6-jre craps out with invalid pointer crap. known error? |
| 11:43.32 | xelister | http://pastebin.com/83z1N0dj |
| 11:44.56 | xelister | looks like years old http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=499669 |
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| 11:46.55 | abrotman | xelister: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. what is the version ? |
| 11:47.16 | xelister | abrotman: 2.7-18lenny4 |
| 11:47.29 | abrotman | okay, kills my theory :) |
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| 11:58.07 | xelister | ok perhaps just the opensdk is shit |
| 11:58.11 | xelister | *openjdk |
| 11:58.22 | xelister | sun-java6-jre appears to install without problem |
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| 12:01.50 | thm | how can I get a list of packages I have installed from testing instead of stable? |
| 12:02.19 | cast | eh, you shouldn't do that |
| 12:02.54 | anddam | is running crond recommended? |
| 12:03.20 | anddam | I've got no user cron jobs but I'm wondering if system needs it |
| 12:04.39 | thm | cast: but anyway, does apt remember where a package came from? |
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| 12:06.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | thm: apt-cache policy <package> will tell you, if the repo is still enabled |
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| 12:07.56 | hid3 | Good afternoon everyone. I'm writing a script and I need to get debian stable codename and current version. Any ideas how/where to get such information automatically? |
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| 12:08.02 | RichiH | gah... i just started an apt-get install, ctrl-c in the unpacking stage and now need to tell dpkg to _not_ try and install the stuff that is in the queue... |
| 12:08.06 | konr | Where can I get an unstable ISO? |
| 12:08.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | hid3: lsb_release? |
| 12:08.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | hid3: /etc/debian_version? |
| 12:09.14 | hid3 | Kamping_Kaiser: that's what i have. But how do I get what's now in the world regardless of my system? |
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| 12:09.31 | konr | nm, installing unetbootin |
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| 12:10.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | hid3: grab a signature file from stable on the mirror and check it for its version |
| 12:10.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | s/signature/release |
| 12:11.05 | abrotman | !tell thm about which repo |
| 12:11.23 | abrotman | RichiH: you may be able to edit the status file directly |
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| 12:13.40 | thm | abrotman: thx, that works |
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| 12:17.21 | anddam | I can launch a service through /etc/init.d/name start but not with invoke-rc.d, where can I look for log about that? |
| 12:17.28 | rohdef | is there a way to completely block out a package in apt, so it won't be installed, not even as a dependency? |
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| 12:18.34 | rohdef | or if there's a way to completely eliminate OpenJDK and IcedTea that would also be fine by me :p |
| 12:18.41 | anddam | oh, does invoke-rc.d only run a service if it's enabled in current runlevel=? |
| 12:18.43 | abrotman | rohdef: install the sun JRE ? |
| 12:19.05 | anddam | it does :-) |
| 12:20.57 | mns | rohdef, just install the Sun JRE like abrotman suggests and you'll be fine. |
| 12:21.04 | psycho_oreos | dpkg-deb - error: Debian revision (`dirty') doesn't contain any digits <--- does this error specifically imply there's an error inside the control file or mainly in the changlog file? |
| 12:21.09 | mns | or the Sun JDK. |
| 12:21.22 | abrotman | psycho_oreos: where did you get that package? |
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| 12:22.06 | psycho_oreos | abrotman, ahh that's not a package, I'm trying to compile a kernel and get it to roll into a deb package, using dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 12:30.25 | abrotman | !flw |
| 12:30.25 | dpkg | <meoblast_> i just always use root to avoid trouble |
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| 12:35.16 | psycho_oreos | abrotman, nevermind I sort of have it sorted now :) thanks for the help anyway |
| 12:35.22 | abrotman | ok! |
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| 12:43.49 | stew | hmm, did rcox /nick to meoblast_ at some point? |
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| 12:46.18 | abrotman | heh |
| 12:47.16 | stew | i upgraded my second to last server from etch to lenny this morning! |
| 12:47.36 | abrotman | just in time for squeeze :) |
| 12:47.37 | anddam | iirc there is a metapackage to install build tools in one shot, am I right? |
| 12:47.41 | abrotman | !b-e anddam |
| 12:47.42 | dpkg | anddam: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 12:47.50 | anddam | build-essential |
| 12:47.51 | anddam | thanks |
| 12:48.26 | anddam | I just asked dpkg for build-tools and it told me to rtfm, obviously there isn't a "build-tools" man page, I tried… |
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| 12:49.01 | thm | is there a way to ask for specific backports? |
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| 12:49.42 | abrotman | thm: i believe the website tells you how to do this |
| 12:50.56 | tvm | thm: google for backports and "pinning" |
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| 12:51.24 | thm | tvm: no, I meant to ask for a package that isn't backported yet |
| 12:51.34 | tvm | ah. |
| 12:51.48 | iman | can i install debian-testing-i386-CD-1.iso in virtual pc ? |
| 12:51.50 | abrotman | thm: oh, you can .. but you can also make your own .. |
| 12:51.54 | stew | thm: backporting yourself might not be hard, depending on the package, see: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 12:51.57 | abrotman | iman: please use the netinst |
| 12:52.03 | jpinx-eeepc | thm: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 12:52.17 | iman | abrotman: what is netist? |
| 12:52.24 | abrotman | !tell iman about netinst |
| 12:52.45 | abrotman | (totally ignoring the part that virtualPC kind of stinks) |
| 12:53.34 | stew | oh, i figured that was some generic term, not an actual specific software package |
| 12:54.16 | iman | abrotman: for why, i can't install debian-testing-i386-CD-1.iso ? |
| 12:54.22 | abrotman | VirtualPC? it's an MS product .. used to emulate S3 virge .. |
| 12:54.34 | abrotman | iman: you can, but it's wasteful .. that CD is probably out of date already |
| 12:55.00 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 12:55.21 | stew | iman: his point is that by downloading the full CD1 iso you download stuff you won't need. the netinst iso is a smaller one which will only contain stuff you need. if you've already downloaded CD1, its water under the bridge |
| 12:55.24 | iman | abrotman: sorry i mean virtual box |
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| 12:56.22 | Raboo | Hi |
| 12:56.50 | Raboo | does anyone know a good channel for IPSEC configuration using ipsec-tools and racoon? |
| 12:57.14 | iman | stew: but in my personal pc , i install it and i dont have any problem |
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| 13:01.46 | iman | abrotman: i am downloading it, thank you |
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| 13:43.45 | thnee | anyone who have used keepalived? im a bit confused with the config file, mainly due to a very thin manual |
| 13:44.10 | thnee | for instance, i cant tell if vrrp_instance and virtual_server are mutually exclusive, or actually go together |
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| 13:58.35 | heavybird | hi, i have two debian boxes (one is a virtual machine instance) and i want to mirror / backup the box onto the vm since i have to decomission the box, but want to keep a working copy around incase, what's the best wya to do this? (things like apache config, home directories, etc) use rsync and cherry pick /etc and /home ? |
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| 14:02.30 | _stefanos_ | hello everyone. I have switched my PC from lenny to squeeze and currently facing issues with kernel. Unfortunately I am not at home where I use Debian, but I have been looking since last night for a solution and cannot find anything. I use nvidia non-free drivers for 3D acceleration usage. |
| 14:04.37 | _stefanos_ | I have followed the steps from "msg dpkg lenny->squeeze" and right after the full upgrade, the X stopped working due to a missing module from kernel (nvidia module). |
| 14:05.23 | claint | heavybird: what kind of virtualization are you using? |
| 14:05.25 | _stefanos_ | Also i saw that aptitude detected 220 broken packages. is there a way to fix those broken packages? |
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| 14:06.04 | heavybird | claint: virtualbox running on an i7 laptop running windows 7 |
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| 14:07.40 | heavybird | the physical box is a p3 866 |
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| 14:08.06 | heavybird | has all my svn repos on it and personal website, a few networking projects, hence wanting to keep a copy of it |
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| 14:08.15 | claint | heavybird: well then. I don't think there is a concencus on the "best way" but my way is that i usually backup my /home partition with rsync, and copy some of the settings files in /etc if i don't want to forget something. |
| 14:08.32 | philthno2 | hi, what's the best way to make a debian system robust against shutting down via switching power off? Data loss is ok of course, but the system should reboot once the power is there again without fsck. |
| 14:08.46 | claint | ah, then i would back up the svn directories and such as well. if it is a vm i am backing up |
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| 14:09.02 | abrotman | philthno2: an UPS ? |
| 14:09.42 | claint | i usually rsync its whole directory if i am backing up a virtual-server. you could also do that with a real machine i guess. |
| 14:10.03 | heavybird | sweet, so rsync at least is a reasonable way to go |
| 14:10.34 | philthno2 | abrotman, no :) it's a small board which does nothing except waiting for a button to be pressed and prints a ticket. And I cannot rely on the fact that it's always cleanly shut down. |
| 14:11.21 | abrotman | philthno2: okay .. so you have an embedded system that is prone to power outages, and you want it to boot correctly when it comes back up ? |
| 14:11.31 | philthno2 | exactly. |
| 14:11.35 | claint | _stefanos_: nvidia issue is probably the old nvidia driver not working with your new kernel, you would probably need to recompile it "the debian way" unless it already exists in non-free. |
| 14:11.41 | heavybird | for a museum where they were just agressively ditching the power i used a locked flash drive and kept a mirror to replace it if it ever corrupted |
| 14:11.45 | heavybird | it never did though |
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| 14:12.18 | philthno2 | I read that I should mount root read-only, but then I have to care about /etc and /var, they have to be writable I think |
| 14:12.49 | _stefanos_ | claint: from sources.list only debian.us is enable; the rest are disabled as dpkg suggested |
| 14:13.58 | abrotman | philthno2: mount sync? |
| 14:15.17 | philthno2 | abrotman, can you please feed me with one more cue ;) |
| 14:15.44 | abrotman | man mount .. there is a method to mount sync .. but it's a fair bit slower |
| 14:15.48 | _stefanos_ | is there a way to use the default Xorg settings? I have tried to use the "nv", but for some reason was falling in a loop trap somewhere along the way. |
| 14:17.52 | philthno2 | abrotman, this would cause then all data to be written instantly and reduce the risk of unwritten data at power out |
| 14:17.59 | philthno2 | hm ... |
| 14:18.16 | claint | _stefanos_: did you try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ? |
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| 14:19.04 | voxio | whats the best way to sign a .deb package (its going to be used for debian and ubuntu) |
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| 14:19.26 | voxio | is it debsigs? |
| 14:20.18 | philthno2 | abrotman, what about mounting root read-only and create /etc and /var as tmpfs at startup and copy the content of the "original" etc and var there? |
| 14:20.24 | stew | voxio: you'd typically sign the repository contianing it (like the Release file). or you'd sign .changes/.dsc files you were going to upload to a repository (for processing by the tools running the repostory) |
| 14:20.31 | abrotman | philthno2: that's one method |
| 14:20.38 | abrotman | !tell philthno2 about emdebian |
| 14:20.44 | abrotman | philthno2: they might have some good ideas for you |
| 14:20.53 | _stefanos_ | claint: yes, and it re-created the one I manually created! |
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| 14:21.27 | manouch | do i need to create the boot-directory on my own? |
| 14:21.28 | _stefanos_ | at first I thought it was my imagination, but after I deleted it and re-run the command, I was that happening again and lost it... |
| 14:21.39 | stew | _stefanos_: you could "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" but this should end up with somehting not much different than starting with no config at all |
| 14:21.45 | manouch | or is it done automatically when the boot partition is loaded |
| 14:21.53 | voxio | stew is there a guide on doing this somewhere? I have a public repository I would like to sign also |
| 14:22.16 | _stefanos_ | does squeeze has non-free packages like lenny? |
| 14:22.32 | mariusv | _stefanos_: yes |
| 14:22.44 | _stefanos_ | because I have searched with aptitude and apt-get to find the kernel with nvidia support and could not find it |
| 14:23.21 | philthno2 | abrotman, thank you for the help. |
| 14:23.25 | mariusv | _stefanos_: deb ftp://ftp.at.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main non-free contrib (replace at with your country) |
| 14:24.05 | _stefanos_ | i don't know if Cyprus have a debian mirror |
| 14:24.08 | _stefanos_ | cy |
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| 14:24.31 | mariusv | _stefanos_: the you can let at |
| 14:24.33 | mariusv | is ok |
| 14:24.49 | greenmang0 | i want to create a video tutorial just like Computer based training... is their any tool available for the same? |
| 14:24.51 | claint | _stefanos_: there is no kernel with nvidia support. there is a non-free kernel module for nvidia. |
| 14:24.52 | _stefanos_ | you mean to let it as it is? |
| 14:25.17 | _stefanos_ | claint: this is what i meant, but i have got lost in translation :D |
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| 14:26.39 | stew | voxio: sigining the repository is not much more than signing the Release with a ascii, detached signature that goes in Release.gpg |
| 14:27.10 | _stefanos_ | .at is for Austria? |
| 14:28.13 | mariusv | _stefanos_: yes |
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| 14:28.21 | _stefanos_ | nice :) very fast ftp server! |
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| 14:29.09 | voxio | stew: is signing the repository enough? |
| 14:29.44 | voxio | also as I currently run an unsigned repository, will users hit errors if i roll out a signed Release file |
| 14:31.01 | stew | voxio: enough for what? |
| 14:31.32 | stew | voxio: they are possibly already getting warnings, they will get other warnings or errors when you sign it, they should then be checking the trust path from their key to yours and maybe adding it with apt-key add |
| 14:32.00 | voxio | OK i'll do some testing with a staging server first |
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| 14:32.05 | stew | !apt-secure |
| 14:32.05 | dpkg | [apt-secure] Starting with version 0.6, <APT> performs signature checking of the Release file for all archives. See http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt , "man apt-secure" and chapter 7 of the Securing Debian Manual (ask me about <securing debian>) for more information. See also <key>, <no public key>. |
| 14:32.14 | stew | voxio: ^ |
| 14:32.23 | voxio | was just reading that article :) |
| 14:32.42 | mog | hi i did an apt-get upgrade on my debian testing box and now my iwlagn card is constantly throwing wlan0: deauthenticating from 00:26:b0:fe:c6:bc by local choice (reason=3) |
| 14:32.50 | mog | and wont connect anyone else having this problem? |
| 14:33.15 | _stefanos_ | mog, you should not give your mac address so freely! |
| 14:33.26 | mog | heh not mine |
| 14:33.43 | _stefanos_ | then keep on giving it :D |
| 14:33.45 | mog | but a starbucks |
| 14:34.14 | claint | mog: i used to have something similar, but that laptop is couple cities away now. i didn't have a fix, but i worked around it by constantly pinging my server on the net. |
| 14:34.28 | mog | i cant ever get connected in first place |
| 14:34.33 | mog | since i updated |
| 14:34.50 | stew | _stefanos_: what is the danger in giving the way the mac address of my AP ? |
| 14:34.59 | claint | ah. wrong wep/wpa password then? |
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| 14:35.25 | _stefanos_ | ask those who know how to play around to those things. |
| 14:35.50 | _stefanos_ | i simply know that they can do many things either on your AP, or your PC / laptop (whatelse it can be) |
| 14:36.09 | stew | _stefanos_: how? |
| 14:36.14 | claint | mog: also, in squeeze, wpa-supplicant sometimes foobars wep connections. is it a wep key over there? |
| 14:36.24 | mog | wpa2 |
| 14:36.36 | mog | im using wicd to connect im sure is valid as i havent changed |
| 14:37.07 | stew | _stefanos_: if they are on my layer 2 network, which you'd need to be for the mac address to be useful, they can easily discover the mac address on their own |
| 14:37.18 | jpinx-eeepc | runs aircrack on mog s wap |
| 14:37.40 | _stefanos_ | you see? you know better than me! that is not my area |
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| 14:38.09 | claint | well, actually he would have to be in your area. |
| 14:39.34 | _stefanos_ | i don't think so |
| 14:39.56 | claint | i meant your wireless local area ;p |
| 14:40.05 | stew | _stefanos_: how is a mac possibly useful if you aren't on the same layer 2 network? |
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| 14:40.59 | _stefanos_ | man, all i said, is why you give your mac address so freely. I don't know how others can harm you, that is not my job. I don't do things with networks. |
| 14:42.01 | stew | _stefanos_: because there is no reason not to? |
| 14:42.26 | _stefanos_ | maybe |
| 14:44.33 | claint | man, i am having so many problems with this squeeze installation on this new machine..... wtf. |
| 14:44.52 | _stefanos_ | i thought i was alone! |
| 14:47.10 | claint | the machine didn't have cdrom, so i made a bootable usb only to find that bios doesn't boot usbs. i should have been more careful on selecting a motherboard. i put in an atapi cdrom, but that would fail at detecting cdrom driver phase because of conflicts with sata(from what i read).... so i went the old pxe network boot way. which worked. |
| 14:47.49 | claint | but then grub2 of squeeze doesn't write on the mbr or any partition. |
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| 14:48.48 | claint | so i am trying a lenny install with normal grub to find if the grub2 is the culprit. |
| 14:49.29 | claint | old grub that is |
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| 14:53.55 | claint | yep old grub worked. |
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| 15:02.53 | ecolitan | where in debian do I specify number of loop devices? |
| 15:04.13 | mns | ecolitan: /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 15:06.13 | ecolitan | i should say: how can i increase the max number of loop devices |
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| 15:09.45 | Tyzao | anyone know a good pdf cracker |
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| 15:11.01 | Tyzao | this pdf is driving me crazy |
| 15:11.14 | Tyzao | and I need to remove the read-only setting |
| 15:12.00 | petemc | ecolitan: max_loop option of the loop module |
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| 15:13.48 | ecolitan | petemc: yes I found it, should it go in /etc/modules or /etc/modules.conf ? i find conflicting information |
| 15:14.15 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:14.54 | ecolitan | petemc: thankyou |
| 15:14.57 | petemc | np |
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| 15:18.05 | manouch | mhhh my dedicated server doesn't go online |
| 15:18.23 | manouch | as i don't have its monitor i'd like to know why |
| 15:18.30 | aleray | hi, I have the following configuraton on my server: http://dpaste.com/246866/ How can I grant both user-b and user-b access to /var/www/uk.org.site2/ ? |
| 15:18.42 | manouch | i have a rescue shell for mounting the partitions |
| 15:18.44 | aleray | (I meant both user-a and user-b) |
| 15:18.51 | manouch | is there anywhere saved what happend? |
| 15:20.03 | petemc | manouch: check the configuration in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 15:20.46 | Tyzao | how to install aptitude |
| 15:20.58 | petemc | apt-get install aptitude |
| 15:21.48 | Tyzao | from the terminal? |
| 15:22.17 | petemc | as before, im sure you'll figure it out |
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| 15:23.04 | ecolitan | manouch: both users in the www-data group? |
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| 15:24.00 | manouch | ecolitan: sorry? |
| 15:24.21 | manouch | petemc: seems okay to me... and even if that would be wrong... the server should boot at least i think |
| 15:24.33 | karlpinc | manouch: There's the regular logs, and you can turn on /etc/default/bootlogd. |
| 15:24.35 | ecolitan | aleray: both users in the www-data group? |
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| 15:24.46 | ecolitan | manouch:sry |
| 15:25.09 | petemc | manouch: do you know if it didnt boot or its network didnt come up? |
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| 15:25.48 | manouch | petemc: as there are no entries in kern.log, etc... i guess it didn't boot |
| 15:26.14 | aleray | ecolitan, no one is in www-data :-P, should they? |
| 15:26.14 | manouch | and i moved my whole server with configurations included from another server using rsync |
| 15:26.26 | manouch | but the kernel should be okay... because it has the same hardware |
| 15:26.27 | karlpinc | manouch: Did you re-run makeinitrd? |
| 15:26.39 | petemc | manouch: did you install a bootloader? |
| 15:26.40 | manouch | no o.O |
| 15:26.43 | manouch | should i? |
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| 15:26.49 | manouch | yes bootloader is installed |
| 15:26.53 | petemc | manouch: also, kern.log in empty on some machines here that do boot fine |
| 15:27.04 | ecolitan | aleray: well that way they can access the directory via its group perms |
| 15:27.12 | karlpinc | manouch: If the hardware is truly identical you should not need a new initrd. Otherwise that can be the problem. |
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| 15:27.21 | b0nghitter | for some reason, apache was using 97% of cpu this morning. first time its ever happened...... is there a new DoS that isnt patched or something? |
| 15:27.49 | aleray | ecolitan, www-data is my apache user/group name (and nginx as well actually) |
| 15:27.51 | jelly-home | do you have mod_php5 enabled? |
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| 15:28.10 | manouch | karlpinc, petemc i'm booting the rescue system... let's see what happens |
| 15:28.15 | aleray | ecolitan, but does it prevent the other users to access th directory? |
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| 15:28.25 | b0nghitter | jelly, i do yes. |
| 15:28.25 | Tyzao | so i should this cmd from root |
| 15:28.28 | karlpinc | manouch: oops. It's makeinitramfs I'm thinking of. |
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| 15:29.15 | aleray | ...the directories with group www-data? |
| 15:29.17 | ecolitan | aleray: users belonging to a group will have access to files that have that same group according to the group permissions |
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| 15:29.45 | manouch | Tue Sep 21 17:25:51 2010: Configuring network interfaces...SIOCSIFADDR: No such device Tue Sep 21 17:25:51 2010: eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
| 15:30.03 | karlpinc | !z70 |
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| 15:30.08 | manouch | so i think that the ethernet card is not the same in that hardware isn't it? |
| 15:30.18 | cahoot | !z25 |
| 15:30.19 | dpkg | udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address since version 0.090. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Lenny, Squeeze) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch). If you want the mappings to change, edit the respective file. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" ("udevtrigger" on Etch) or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>. |
| 15:30.30 | karlpinc | manouch: ^^ |
| 15:31.31 | manouch | just the MAC? |
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| 15:31.53 | karlpinc | manouch: Yup. If you remove the line in the z25 rule then it will automatically be re-generated as eth0. |
| 15:32.56 | karlpinc | manouch: (Note that there are other problems with an exact copy of a box, notabily ssh keys and probably other stuff. If you're going to use both boxes at once you probably want something more like what '/msg dpkg aptitude clone' says to do.) |
| 15:33.48 | aleray | ecolitan, right now all my sites are placed under /var/www |
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| 15:34.40 | aleray | ecolitan, every document root directory has for user the "real" user owning the site, and for group "www-data" which is my apache/nginx group |
| 15:35.05 | ruyo | Anyone knows how to tell on a preseed file to fetch the packages from the CD? |
| 15:35.06 | aleray | I symlink this directories in the users /home |
| 15:35.21 | aleray | so they can edit their website themselves. So far so good. |
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| 15:36.09 | aleray | ecolitan, but today I have a problem. I need to grant a new user r/w permissions on a site owned by another user. I want the new user to be able to change only that website |
| 15:37.00 | karlpinc | aleray: I suspect you will need to use ACLs. |
| 15:37.11 | DaveWM | i just upgraded my kernel, using liquorix kernel, i figured it would have TRIM support since i guess anything 2.6.33+ has it, anybody know how i can verify that its enabled ? or is there anything else i have to do ? |
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| 15:38.27 | aleray | karlpinc, oh. looks complicated :-P if I can't do it by traditionnal means I'll look at it |
| 15:38.29 | aleray | thanks |
| 15:38.34 | manouch | !z25 |
| 15:38.35 | dpkg | udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address since version 0.090. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Lenny, Squeeze) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch). If you want the mappings to change, edit the respective file. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" ("udevtrigger" on Etch) or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>. |
| 15:39.04 | aleray | (I would just like to be sure I can't do it by traditionnal user/group permissions ) |
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| 15:41.09 | aleray | Is ACL included in kernel 2.6.18 ? |
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| 15:45.50 | _linuxftw | I've got a few external hard drives and when I plug them in they are usually given different names in /dev. Is there a way to assign each drive a permanent device name that is always used when it is plugged in? |
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| 15:46.42 | manouch | mhhh... i commented out my network the z25 line and it was regenerated |
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| 15:46.50 | manouch | anyway there is still the same error |
| 15:47.04 | manouch | Configuring network interfaces...SIOCSIFADDR: No such device |
| 15:47.18 | cahoot | manouch: /sbin/ifconfig -a |
| 15:47.40 | cahoot | any eth*? |
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| 15:48.02 | manouch | yep eth0 |
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| 15:48.52 | manouch | with the same configuration like in the rescue system |
| 15:49.04 | manouch | (which has a working connection) |
| 15:49.59 | manouch | mhhh... but in the z25 there is: SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTR{address}=="00:16:17:b2:56:c7", ATTR{dev_id}=="0x0", ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="eth*", NAME="eth1" |
| 15:50.12 | manouch | so it is set to eth1 |
| 15:50.15 | manouch | not to eth0 |
| 15:50.29 | manouch | so where is the eth0 coming from o.O |
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| 15:52.12 | karlpinc | aleray: The traditional way to do that sort of thing is with user private groups. See http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-7.3-Manual/ref-guide/s1-users-groups-private-groups.html note also there is a pam module for setting the umask (pam_umask?). But you can't do that because your using the www-data group to grant the webserver access to the files while denying world readable. So, ACLs. |
| 15:52.44 | aleray | karlpinc, thanks a lot for this information |
| 15:52.58 | aleray | karlpinc, I'm currently looking at acl |
| 15:53.05 | aleray | much appreciated your help |
| 15:53.52 | manouch | yiha... it works |
| 15:53.58 | Tyzao | ok got it |
| 15:53.58 | manouch | you guys are great!!! thank you |
| 15:54.09 | Tyzao | learning stuff |
| 15:54.29 | karlpinc | me has not gotten around to writing a user private groups factoid and wiki page. This is the third time in as many weeks it's come up. |
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| 16:08.56 | chombee | quir |
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| 16:21.05 | _linuxftw | How can I get the serial number of a device like /dev/sdb? |
| 16:21.31 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:22.01 | _linuxftw | ahh cool, I had no idea that existed |
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| 16:24.19 | jhutchins_lt | _linuxftw: Not for everything but worth looking. |
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| 16:25.38 | wuffi600 | is there a debian way to configure/use iptables? is there a tui/gui? |
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| 16:26.47 | jhutchins_lt | wuffi600: There are a number of managers like shorewall and fwbuilder, but you can also just write your own script. |
| 16:26.51 | thewanderer1 | wuffi600: there's no single "Debian way", but I can recommend shorewall as a nice configuration script |
| 16:26.59 | neoice | anyone know why aptitude wont find ia32-libs? |
| 16:27.08 | jhutchins_lt | wuffi600: Basics are here: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ |
| 16:27.15 | wuffi600 | thewanderer1: oh thank you. |
| 16:27.28 | jhutchins_lt | wuffi600: Comprehensive guide here: http://www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~dranch/LINUX/TrinityOS/cHTML/TrinityOS-c.html |
| 16:28.04 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: shorewall is a bit like trying to swat a fly with a battle cruiser, but it works. |
| 16:28.52 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: what do you think I do in leisure time? :P |
| 16:28.58 | wuffi600 | thewanderer1: have you seen typical firewall-applications on MS Windows (kerio, sunbelt, commode, ...). They notify you with a gui about programm trying to open a network connection. You can decide by clicking a button to decline or allow to open the connection and let fw learn the rule. |
| 16:29.26 | wuffi600 | thewanderer1: is there such a tui/gui for iptables/shorewall? |
| 16:29.32 | jhutchins_lt | wuffi600: There's nothing quite that anal, but there are live tools that do pretty much the same thing. |
| 16:29.41 | thewanderer1 | wuffi600: I know and have been researching this, and it's partially possible, but as of now, you still have to do some coding to achieve that |
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| 16:30.32 | jhutchins_lt | wuffi600: http://wiki.debian.org/Firewalls |
| 16:30.35 | thewanderer1 | wuffi600: I don't know if there's a tool to ask you in real time... perhaps yes, but per-application access control is still beyond the reach of vanilla Linux kernel (SELinux can do that) |
| 16:30.52 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Yes, there are real-time notification tools. |
| 16:31.29 | jhutchins_lt | wuffi600: Generally you have much better awareness and control of what's doing what on a linux system, so people don't need that sort of thing. |
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| 16:32.22 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: notification, what about control? (ask, react) - do you know a name to paste here? |
| 16:32.42 | jhutchins_lt | Not coming up with a name immediately. |
| 16:33.00 | jhutchins_lt | I helped some user kill such an app that was malfunctioning. |
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| 16:33.32 | thewanderer1 | :P |
| 16:35.05 | Bop | does anyone have a ftp account with 10GB to receive some CBT nuggets ? :| |
| 16:35.06 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: fireflier |
| 16:35.52 | thewanderer1 | Bop: errr, what are you asking about, excuse me? |
| 16:36.08 | Bop | i need to upload some CBT nuggers |
| 16:36.12 | Bop | do some account :s |
| 16:36.15 | Bop | to * |
| 16:36.23 | Bop | its temporarly , 2 days max |
| 16:36.58 | jhutchins_lt | That wiki page is very good. |
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| 16:39.51 | thewanderer1 | Bop: is there a particular problem with free hosting services? rapidshare? dropbox? |
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| 16:40.34 | Bop | yes, the dude is is some datacenter, and cannot make uploads like that |
| 16:40.43 | Bop | just ftp , and leave it uploading |
| 16:40.57 | Bop | i could set up a ftpd , but only have 100k up |
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| 16:41.56 | b0nghitter | why isnt debian 6 the default "get debain" download? |
| 16:42.30 | cahoot | not released? |
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| 16:44.46 | b0nghitter | its been frozen though already right? |
| 16:45.13 | thewanderer1 | b0nghitter: frozen != stable |
| 16:45.20 | b0nghitter | oh |
| 16:45.26 | iluminator101 | how do i compress and password a file? |
| 16:45.27 | thewanderer1 | and testing is meant to be opt-in, not opt-out |
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| 16:46.29 | thewanderer1 | iluminator101: option 0) tar it, then use ccrypt or gpg to encrypt (I like ccrypt - it's simple) |
| 16:46.46 | thewanderer1 | 1) use 7-zip format which includes archiving, compression and encryption at once |
| 16:46.47 | b0nghitter | i have a lenny stable production box that i'd like newer versions of some things... dont know which way is best, without crippling the current system |
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| 16:46.56 | thewanderer1 | b0nghitter: backports |
| 16:46.56 | iluminator101 | thanks thewanderer1 |
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| 16:47.12 | b0nghitter | dpkg tell me about bpo |
| 16:47.38 | tharkun | !tell b0nghitter about bpo |
| 16:48.04 | thewanderer1 | dpkg no, I rule you, not them :P |
| 16:48.04 | dpkg | thewanderer1: I give up, what is it? |
| 16:48.06 | b0nghitter | i was told backported packages dont have security updates? |
| 16:48.17 | thewanderer1 | b0nghitter: read the news on debian.org |
| 16:48.23 | tharkun | b0nghitter: what packare are you looking for ? |
| 16:48.28 | stew | b0nghitter: no, not necessarily (nor does debian 6 yet) |
| 16:48.40 | b0nghitter | vlc, ffmpeg and some codecs mainly |
| 16:48.59 | thewanderer1 | why not try debian-multimedia? |
| 16:49.08 | b0nghitter | i have dmm installed |
| 16:49.21 | tharkun | b0nghitter: /msg judd version <packagename> should give you a hint on where or what to look for |
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| 16:49.25 | b0nghitter | but vlc is wayout of date and doesnt support alot of the flash flv stuff |
| 16:49.36 | thewanderer1 | hopes flash dies in a year |
| 16:49.43 | b0nghitter | lol :) |
| 16:50.09 | jpinx-eeepc | b0nghitter: my vlc plays everythoing I throw at it |
| 16:50.40 | b0nghitter | http://fms.bongtvlive.com/ Adobe Flash Media Server 4 running on debian 64bit |
| 16:51.03 | b0nghitter | i cant get vlc to transcode xvid and some other things |
| 16:51.16 | tharkun | For the record vlc on lenny is far more stable and usable than on squeeze. A strong case of bloating you could say |
| 16:51.17 | b0nghitter | google says to update to 0.9.x at least |
| 16:52.01 | jpinx-eeepc | ,versions vlc |
| 16:52.02 | judd | Package vlc on i386 -- etch: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch3; etch-security: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch3; lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2; lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2.3; sid: 1.1.3-1; squeeze: 1.1.3-1; experimental: 1.1.4-1 |
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| 16:53.56 | b0nghitter | i have lenny-security at the moment i think |
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| 16:56.25 | iluminator101 | how do i add a rar password |
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| 16:57.50 | DomiX | hi, I've updated my box (squeeze) and now I can't boot windows XP there is only a black screen, what could be wrong ? |
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| 17:02.54 | anddam | when I launch a daemon with start-stop-daemon is it up to the process to send its output to a file or is there a log mechanism for that? |
| 17:04.56 | wuffi600 | thewanderer1: the manpage of iptables tells about ownermodule, is it usable with lenny kernel? |
| 17:05.29 | thewanderer1 | wuffi600: I think it is usable (if you mean UID/GID) |
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| 17:06.21 | neoice | is there a way to specify the jobs (-j#) for `make-kpkg` ? |
| 17:06.32 | wuffi600 | jhutchins_lt: how would you trace what app tries to open what network connection? can iptable logs tell what application/user tries to open the connection? |
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| 17:07.31 | cahoot | neoice: look for concurrency in the man page |
| 17:10.39 | DomiX | I'm still trying to boot windows from grub (squeeze) but I only get a blinking cursor, I only used update-grub2, windows is detected correctly I guess |
| 17:11.26 | DomiX | http://pastie.org/1172599 |
| 17:13.22 | wuffi600 | neoice: thank you |
| 17:14.16 | jhutchins_lt | wuffi600: /etc/services. |
| 17:14.33 | jhutchins_lt | wuffi600: It's not hard to track down what app uses what port. |
| 17:14.48 | jhutchins_lt | wuffi600: Even for apps that use port ranges it's documented. |
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| 17:17.26 | wuffi600 | jhutchins_lt: my purpose is to disallow unwanted connections of unknown binaries. (e.g. propietary software tries to call ther mothership when started or loading some advertisement-banners.) |
| 17:18.07 | jhutchins_lt | wuffi600: Don't install unknown software. You have to be root to do that anyway. Run rkhunter or chkrootkit or both regularly. |
| 17:18.32 | jhutchins_lt | wuffi600: Be conservative in what you allow javascript to do in your browser. |
| 17:19.10 | wuffi600 | jhutchins_lt: thank you for hints. |
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| 17:22.53 | jhutchins_lt | The paranoia necessary to run Windows is due to the fact that they deliberately make it hard to find out what's legitimately doing what, so things that aren't legitimate have ample room to hide. |
| 17:23.10 | jhutchins_lt | Linux isn't like that - you can know exactly what's going on. |
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| 17:28.20 | dondelelcaro | except when you can't; it's always possible to hide things |
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| 17:31.09 | alys | I have a Dell U2410 monitor that swivels. I have tried randr but it seems not to work when I pivot the monitor to portrait. Is there any other software that will do the job. |
| 17:31.24 | alys | I am using gnome as the display manager |
| 17:31.44 | mog | thanks everyone for advice earlier it was wicd and nm conflicting |
| 17:31.47 | abrotman | grandr ? |
| 17:31.57 | abrotman | alys: this is something your video card has to support |
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| 17:32.17 | alys | I have an NVIDIA card that 'should' support it - at least I hope it does. |
| 17:32.19 | jhutchins_lt | alys: Find out who actually makes the monitor for dell. If it has a signal output that says "I've been rotated", the right kind of driver can pick up on that. |
| 17:32.30 | jhutchins_lt | randr doesn't really have a way of knowing. |
| 17:32.45 | alys | Thanks for all your help - I'll certainly try those ideas |
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| 17:34.14 | karamorf | I'm trying to set up mod_scgi for apache2 in debian. According to the repos it is part of apache2.2-common which I have installed (http://packages.debian.org/lenny/libapache2-mod-scgi) but still have no mod-scgi in mods-available ... currently on Lenny |
| 17:34.15 | Azrael- | Hi guys -- I'm soon going to be installing Debian for the first time ever on a new laptop of mine. Is a netinstall via wifi possible? |
| 17:34.40 | abrotman | Azrael-: depends on your wifi device |
| 17:36.34 | Azrael- | Unfortunately I'm not actually entirely sure of its specs -- I'm getting it for free and I don't know of the model number. |
| 17:36.44 | petemc | karamorf: did you install libapache2-mod-scgi ? |
| 17:37.17 | Azrael- | It's quite possibly a broadcom chipset, which I believe requires ndiswrapper. |
| 17:37.18 | karamorf | petemc: there is no libapache2-mod-scgi package, that page i linked says its part of apache2.2-common |
| 17:37.27 | jhutchins_lt | Azrael-: Not necessarily. |
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| 17:37.37 | jhutchins_lt | Azrael-: Fewer and fewer chipsets require it. |
| 17:37.37 | wildc4rd | evening all |
| 17:37.52 | petemc | karamorf: i see a package called libapache2-mod-scgi on a lenny box i have here |
| 17:37.53 | jhutchins_lt | Azrael-: You can do pretty well by searching the model number on google. |
| 17:38.08 | Azrael- | jhutchins_lt: I'd love to, but I don't know the model number. |
| 17:38.25 | karamorf | petemc: I suppose i could use the source from that page, but then I have to install a different dev version of apache2 ... which i guess would be fine |
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| 17:39.24 | petemc | karamorf: perhaps you might want to check your /etc/apt/sources.list or run aptitude update |
| 17:40.26 | karamorf | petemc: I get no output for "aptitude search scgi" and aptitude update didn't help. The only thing I've changed for sources.list is the backports repo, other then that its default |
| 17:41.37 | petemc | karamorf: you might want to use another mirror then, that same search yields 5 results here |
| 17:42.03 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions libapache2-mod-scgi |
| 17:42.04 | abrotman | Azrael-: and you can't plug in the LAN cable ? |
| 17:42.05 | judd | Package libapache2-mod-scgi on i386 -- etch: 1.11-2; lenny: 1.12-0.2; sid: 1.13-1+b1; squeeze: 1.13-1+b1 |
| 17:42.23 | jhutchins_lt | Looks like it's in main. |
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| 17:42.51 | petemc | karamorf: and the web page you linked to shows it depends on apache2.2-common |
| 17:42.59 | Azrael- | abrotman: if all else fails I might have to ask for ethernet access to the router, but as this isn't my wireless network I don't have much say in things like this |
| 17:43.02 | petemc | not that it is provided by it |
| 17:43.02 | karamorf | Oh, is that what that was telling me? |
| 17:43.04 | karamorf | thanks |
| 17:43.25 | karamorf | i didn't realize the mirrors could varry like that ... is that common? |
| 17:43.32 | peterrooney | I'm not sure if this is a debian issue or a bash issue. "man bash" refers to regex(3) man page, but that seems to only exist in manpages-dev package, which is not a bash dependancy. |
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| 17:43.58 | petemc | karamorf: not in my experience |
| 17:43.59 | jhutchins_lt | karamorf: It happens. It's just how mirrors work, sometimes they don't get updated perfectly the first try. |
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| 17:44.18 | MASOKISME | hi to all debian's :) |
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| 17:44.50 | jhutchins_lt | petemc: It's a choice, some documentation, especially "for further reference see also" stuff is not defaulted. |
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| 17:45.19 | petemc | jhutchins_lt: im not sure what you're talking about |
| 17:45.48 | jhutchins_lt | Well, like the samba doc package isn't installed by default, even with samba. |
| 17:46.01 | jhutchins_lt | The http://tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/index.html isn't installed by default either. |
| 17:46.11 | jhutchins_lt | Heh - gotta love macros. |
| 17:46.18 | petemc | im lacking context for this conversation |
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| 17:47.02 | jhutchins_lt | petemc: Ah, good ol' tab completion picked you instead of peterrooney, sorry. |
| 17:47.17 | petemc | np |
| 17:47.26 | peterrooney | i'm not offended either |
| 17:47.27 | qwd | Is there a good single player FPS available for Debian? I tried finding Quake 2 since the engine is supposedly free software, but it doesn't seem to be in the repo. |
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| 17:48.26 | sako | hey guys, i am debating debian vs ubuntu for a production webserver... |
| 17:48.48 | jhutchins_lt | sako: I'd go with Debian. Ubuntu is very focused on desktop features. |
| 17:48.48 | sako | leaning toward debian, how easy is it to "backport" something like python 2.6 |
| 17:49.00 | sako | jhutchins_lt: i agree.. only issue I have is the packages |
| 17:49.02 | sako | so outdated.. |
| 17:49.06 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions python |
| 17:49.07 | stew | sako: many things are easy to backport. python is not one of them |
| 17:49.08 | judd | Package python on i386 -- etch: 2.4.4-2; lenny: 2.5.2-3; squeeze: 2.6.5-13; sid: 2.6.6-1; experimental: 2.6.6-2 |
| 17:49.29 | sako | what is sid? is it out yet? |
| 17:49.38 | stew | sako: sid is "unstable' its never out |
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| 17:49.44 | sako | oh i see |
| 17:49.51 | jhutchins_lt | sako: I'm with stew, python is linked througout the system, but it's possible to have multiple versions. If you just backport python, Things Will Go Badly. |
| 17:49.54 | stew | sako: its the place where packages are first uploaded in most cases. packages which were possibly never tested |
| 17:49.59 | ksx4system | @sako: sid is unstable. it's release in never ending development. |
| 17:50.12 | sako | is there a way to use testing for python? |
| 17:50.16 | sako | get python from testing |
| 17:50.28 | abrotman | get it from testing for use where? |
| 17:50.31 | jhutchins_lt | Again, as a second installation. |
| 17:50.36 | sako | prod |
| 17:50.57 | jhutchins_lt | Or make your code backwards compatible so other stable users can run it. |
| 17:52.05 | stew | sako: no, you don't want to install packages from testing onto stable without backporting them |
| 17:52.13 | stew | sako: and python isn't one you want to backport |
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| 17:53.02 | sako | hmmm |
| 17:53.10 | stew | sako: if you want to put python 2.6 into production, your best bet is probably not debian until squeeze is released |
| 17:53.16 | jhutchins_lt | We recently tried to help someone who had done that and he pretty much trashed his system completely. |
| 17:53.21 | sako | stew: ya thats unfortunate.. |
| 17:53.49 | jhutchins_lt | Guys, it's not that hard to have a second version of python available for just the web server for instance, you just have to keep it seperate from the system default. |
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| 17:54.05 | stew | jhutchins_lt: yes, and take care of security updates yourself |
| 17:54.10 | sushiyant | howto remove all of installed pkg in debian |
| 17:54.48 | stew | and you have to make sure to use /usr/bin/python or /usr/bin/env python in the #shebangs, but use #!/usr/local/bin/python2.6 or whatever instead |
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| 17:55.07 | jhutchins_lt | stew: Security updates are vastly over freaked out about, but yes, you do maintain your server's security yourself, you don't rely on others. |
| 17:55.10 | stew | sushiyant: you can't remove ALL the installed packages. some are Essential or required and shouldn't be removed |
| 17:55.31 | jhutchins_lt | sushiyant: Format the partition is probably the quickest. |
| 17:55.43 | jpinx-eeepc | sushiyant: why? |
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| 17:58.52 | sushiyant | jpinx-eeepc: i have a vps and i can rebuild it and i need remove pkgs |
| 17:59.13 | abrotman | need remove why? |
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| 18:02.27 | d0wn | Anyone here happened to overcome the issues of compiling tint2 on debian lenny? |
| 18:02.37 | abrotman | more details? |
| 18:03.54 | jpinx-eeepc | sushiyant: you can possibly use aptitude remove and it will not let you completely kill the system |
| 18:04.06 | jpinx-eeepc | but I've never ried that |
| 18:04.26 | thewanderer1 | sushiyant: can't you just "reimage" the VPS or whatever your provider calls that? |
| 18:06.43 | d0wn | abrotman, was that to me you were asking? |
| 18:06.47 | abrotman | yes |
| 18:07.35 | DaveWM | i had a bare debian squeeze install, apt-get install kde-desktop, or kde-core and such, shows me "E: Unable to locate package" are there some extra sources i'm missing ? |
| 18:08.48 | thewanderer1 | DaveWM: please, do read http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org before trying to install that |
| 18:10.13 | abrotman | DaveWM: can you paste your sources.list in a pastebin ? |
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| 18:10.38 | karlpinc | DaveWM: Did you aptitude update recently. If not do that. |
| 18:10.55 | d0wn | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/fQrvKQyk |
| 18:11.14 | d0wn | I've checked those lines of code and unfortunately I'm not savvy enough to understand them completely |
| 18:11.22 | d0wn | However it doesn't seem like there should be anything wrong with them |
| 18:12.02 | DaveWM | thewanderer1: thanks, i think that's all the info i needed, lol |
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| 18:13.50 | abrotman | d0wn: it's possible that lenny is just too old .. I don't know what GFile is |
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| 18:16.29 | d0wn | abrotman: I thought that also. I've been looking around and just can't find what package "GFile" would be in |
| 18:18.42 | arosen | Hello I'm trying to boot a computer using tftp but the output is though a serial port. Does anyone know what I have to change to get it to send its output to /dev/ttyUSB0 ? |
| 18:19.43 | claint | output of what? |
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| 18:20.06 | arosen | claint: the debian boot loader |
| 18:20.44 | abrotman | d0wn: it would be in a header somewhere |
| 18:25.01 | sako | is installing python 2.6/2.7 on debian as easy as this? http://www.harelmalka.com/?p=159 |
| 18:25.07 | sako | if not is that a bad idea? and why? |
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| 18:26.15 | Jordan_U | arosen: Are you really trying todirect the output form the bootloader, or from the kernel? |
| 18:26.29 | d0wn | abrotman: I just investigated a bit, and found that GFile is in the glib-2.0 package. header file is located at /usr/include/glib-2.0/gio/gfile.h |
| 18:26.37 | d0wn | Do you happen to think if there is anything I could do with it? |
| 18:27.29 | arosen | Jordan_U: both |
| 18:27.39 | arosen | I think i need to do console=/dev/tty0 |
| 18:27.50 | arosen | or something like that. (I'm googling around for it) |
| 18:30.27 | arosen | Jordan_U: I tried adding console=ttyS0,38400n8 console=tty0 (To the kernel line in boot-screens/txt.cfg but that doesn't seem to work |
| 18:30.27 | arosen | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:31.50 | abrotman | d0wn: it might just be too old .. see what version of glib it requires |
| 18:32.01 | abrotman | d0wn: or it might be buggy software |
| 18:32.59 | jhutchins_lt | arosen: It's somewhat unlikely that the bootloader has the ability to access a usb-to-serial converter as it's default output device. |
| 18:33.15 | jhutchins_lt | arosen: That level of redirection usualy requires special hardware. |
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| 18:33.48 | jhutchins_lt | arosen: You're asking a very low-level process to use very high-level hardware. |
| 18:34.05 | arosen | jhutchins_lt: Nah i've seen this work before. |
| 18:34.41 | jhutchins_lt | arosen: Well, find whoever made it work, and write it up on a wiki somewhere. |
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| 18:39.08 | arosen | jhutchins_lt: I got it. Since im' booting something that only has serial IO. (If I hit tab when it gets the the debian screen and type console=ttyS0,38400n8 the display then comes though the console port |
| 18:40.10 | d0wn | thanks for your help abrotman |
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| 18:46.49 | diago | what is the proper way to compile and install a package with debian |
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| 18:47.03 | diago | I have run build-dep and now have the tar.gz file |
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| 18:50.55 | thewanderer1 | !compile from source |
| 18:50.57 | abrotman | debuild -uc -us |
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| 18:54.11 | stew | abrotman: botsnack |
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| 18:54.25 | jelly-home | aww, shucks |
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| 18:57.04 | phorce1 | if I want to grab a package from a *buntu repository for a lenny machine what would be the correct release name to use (intrepid, hardy, jaunty)? I'm playing with fwbuilder and lenny is *2* versions behind squeeze is *1* version behind (behind the fwbuilder website current "stable" release) |
| 18:57.52 | phorce1 | sid has their current stable release but I'd rather not stick sid lines in my sources.list when they offer a repository for JUST that package |
| 18:57.52 | stew | phorce1: /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 18:58.52 | jelly-home | sid lines are nice, as long as they're deb-src |
| 18:59.23 | dzikasosna | hello. i have been given an existing debian system to keep up to date. the sources.list file has both "lenny" and an "unstable" entry. might there be some reason for this? what is the effect of this? |
| 19:00.59 | thewanderer1 | dzikasosna: perhaps someone needed both repos - check /etc/apt/preferences. If you don't have it, you're probably running sid now... (also see /etc/debian_version) |
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| 19:02.43 | dzikasosna | thewanderer1: what exactly am i looking at? the debian_version is 5.0. what will happen if i dist-upgrade? will i upgrade to the latest lenny or unstable? |
| 19:02.58 | stew | dzikasosna: can you pastebin the contents of /etc/apt/preferences ? |
| 19:03.03 | SerajewelKS | dzikasosna: are the unstable entries "deb-src" lines? |
| 19:03.46 | stew | dzikasosna: mixing unstable and stable (currently aka lenny) is strongly discouraged, so we are hoping to find out that this isn't what you have there |
| 19:04.42 | abrotman | stew: thank you! |
| 19:04.45 | dzikasosna | http://pastebin.com/T4d8Rju3 |
| 19:05.16 | SerajewelKS | looks like unstable is pinned pretty low, that's good |
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| 19:05.33 | SerajewelKS | i still would not have a line for unstable on a production system unless it is a deb-src line and you are doing backports |
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| 19:06.06 | stew | dzikasosna: you might use apt-show-versions to see what packages are upgraded to unstable now |
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| 19:06.14 | leoechevarria | hi there |
| 19:06.18 | dzikasosna | as i said, i just got this system from a previous admin so any suggestions are greatly appreciated. i have no contact with him |
| 19:06.20 | stew | dzikasosna: and hope that its not too many |
| 19:07.06 | jordanm | a pin of 50 will mostly only cause issues where you want to install from unstable something Depends: on an newer versio important package, libc6 for example |
| 19:07.37 | stew | which has most likely already happened |
| 19:07.45 | jordanm | it becomes much more obvious that it is the case when doing a manual backport, which is why I like to recommend them |
| 19:07.46 | stew | dzikasosna: what version of libc6 is installed on that system? |
| 19:09.55 | dzikasosna | sorry, i don't quite know how to find out. apt-cache show libc6 shows: Version: 2.7-18 |
| 19:10.08 | dzikasosna | but i have just apt-get updated the system |
| 19:10.32 | stew | dzikasosna: what does "apt-cache policy libc6" say for 'Installed:' ? |
| 19:10.53 | dzikasosna | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:11.19 | dzikasosna | so i have a lenny system? |
| 19:11.24 | stew | yeah, an out of date one |
| 19:11.40 | stew | dzikasosna: this is good news |
| 19:11.50 | dzikasosna | i'll upgrade soon (dist-upgrade?) but wanted to make sure about those two different distribution lines |
| 19:12.24 | stew | dzikasosna: i'd still strongly recommend running "apt-show-versions" to try to figure out what might be ahead of lenny |
| 19:12.27 | jordanm | dzikasosna: it should be safe to remove the sid line prior to upgrading |
| 19:12.31 | jhutchins_lt | dzikasosna: My superstition would dictate commenting the unstable line before you run an upgrade. |
| 19:12.35 | dzikasosna | i lack this program |
| 19:12.47 | jordanm | !installit |
| 19:12.47 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 19:12.56 | diago | thanks thewanderer1. I found some docs that state to run dch -l local 'Some Package' but I don't have dch installed. Is this step required? |
| 19:13.14 | stew | dzikasosna: then either get rid of your sid line or make the pinning more carefully, and/or backporting instead of using sid |
| 19:13.15 | leoechevarria | do any of you know if there is a problem between iscan (epson scanning driver) and updating kernels initrds? |
| 19:13.16 | dzikasosna | i'm quite hesitant to touch anything just yet |
| 19:13.30 | jordanm | I think we could drop the "NEWS FLASH!" from that factoid... |
| 19:13.42 | stew | jordanm: go for it |
| 19:14.01 | abrotman | jordanm: sarcastic effect! |
| 19:14.12 | jhutchins_lt | Cluebat |
| 19:14.40 | thewanderer1 | diago: I think that was a question to abrotman... |
| 19:14.59 | diago | oh |
| 19:15.12 | dzikasosna | ok, thanks for the help guys |
| 19:16.22 | jelly-home | jordanm: there's much worse stuff in the db |
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| 19:16.46 | do0ob | Which package do i need for kde's device monitor to detect cdroms and allow me to mount them? |
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| 19:16.58 | jordanm | jelly-home: I know |
| 19:17.05 | jelly-home | jordanm: this is merely subtly hinting the user might be a complete idiot |
| 19:17.22 | jordanm | jelly-home: hehe, see #d-ot |
| 19:17.33 | leoechevarria | hey i don't know why but i'm getting a lot of problems configuring packages |
| 19:17.35 | leoechevarria | lately |
| 19:17.37 | leoechevarria | http://pastebin.com/bYVyGsbE |
| 19:17.49 | leoechevarria | it's a bit long log, sorry |
| 19:17.55 | leoechevarria | could anybody give me a hand? |
| 19:17.56 | jordanm | !tell leoechevarria about localized errors |
| 19:18.32 | leoechevarria | jordanm: alright, give me a second and i'll upload it in english |
| 19:19.29 | abrotman | judd: versions avahi-daemon |
| 19:19.30 | judd | Package avahi-daemon on i386 -- etch: 0.6.16-3etch2; etch-security: 0.6.16-3etch2; lenny: 0.6.23-3lenny2; lenny-security: 0.6.23-3lenny2; sid: 0.6.27-2; squeeze: 0.6.27-2 |
| 19:19.33 | diago | could I just use checkinstall? |
| 19:19.51 | jordanm | leoechevarria: actually, I can somewhat see what is going on. you have a non-debian script being started by init that is not correct |
| 19:19.59 | jordanm | leoechevarria: what is nxsensor? |
| 19:20.04 | jordanm | ,file nxsensor --release sid |
| 19:20.08 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 19:20.13 | leoechevarria | http://pastebin.com/bL1bH0JE |
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| 19:20.48 | leoechevarria | nxsensor maybe something related to nxserver, a program that provides remote desktop via ssh |
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| 19:21.16 | jordanm | leoechevarria: well, its not shipped by debian and seems to be what is causing your issue |
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| 19:22.05 | leoechevarria | jordanm: do you think so? |
| 19:22.11 | leoechevarria | i'll see how it works uninstalling it |
| 19:22.42 | jordanm | leoechevarria: yes, you can see that everytime update-rc.d is called, regardless of what its trying to do, complains about missing/invalid LSB headers for that init script |
| 19:22.52 | stew | leoechevarria: looks like you need to add the LSB tags to those two init scripts |
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| 19:23.07 | stew | leoechevarria: see http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts |
| 19:23.18 | jordanm | still needs to read up on how that is done |
| 19:23.27 | stew | jordanm: see above :) |
| 19:23.34 | jordanm | thanks :) |
| 19:23.38 | leoechevarria | oh there it went good |
| 19:23.52 | leoechevarria | i don't need nx for now |
| 19:24.06 | leoechevarria | thanks jordanm for the help |
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| 19:24.28 | hipodilski | Hi can you point me to some kind of ext3 deleted file recovery software |
| 19:24.34 | hipodilski | for Debian thx in advance? |
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| 19:25.08 | jordanm | leoechevarria: anytime |
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| 19:25.42 | jordanm | hipodilski: try: aptitude search ~pundelete |
| 19:26.01 | stew | there is no such priority |
| 19:26.01 | jordanm | I would recommend not getting your hopes up however |
| 19:26.13 | jordanm | sorry, ~dundelete |
| 19:26.14 | abrotman | ~d ? |
| 19:26.14 | apt | d is Soraya_'s unique version of the n disease. There is no cure. |
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| 19:27.35 | stew | hipodilski: note that the ones that work for ext2 are not going to necessarily work for ext3, ext3 undeleting is non-trivial and requires you knowing some of the contents of the file you deleted |
| 19:27.39 | stew | afaik |
| 19:28.23 | jhutchins_lt | hipodilski: Restore from backups. |
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| 19:28.41 | hipodilski | I don't have |
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| 19:28.51 | jordanm | then it must not have been important |
| 19:28.52 | hipodilski | there is no dundelete |
| 19:29.11 | jordanm | hipodilski: ~dundelete (long description search) |
| 19:29.35 | stew | hipodilski: depending on your shell you might want quotes around '~dundelete' |
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| 19:33.36 | mkt- | Need help |
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| 19:33.48 | stew | need question |
| 19:33.58 | mkt- | bd:~# python2.2 /usr/local/autosystem3/lzt/lztgtk.pyc |
| 19:33.58 | mkt- | Traceback (most recent call last): |
| 19:33.58 | mkt- | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:33.58 | mkt- | ImportError: No module named pygtk |
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| 19:34.20 | jelly-home | that message from debhelper is wholly useless |
| 19:34.46 | mkt- | ImportError: No module named pygtk |
| 19:34.51 | stew | dondelelcaro: ^^^ agreed. can we make debhelper spit out something like http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 19:34.56 | mkt- | ok |
| 19:35.04 | stew | mkt-: what version of debian is this? |
| 19:35.06 | jelly-home | what paster bot? Who joins or reads #flood logs any more? dondelelcaro, please fix the debhelper flood kick message |
| 19:35.20 | mkt- | stew, Linux bd 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Tue Aug 31 09:11:22 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 19:35.24 | mkt- | debian 5 |
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| 19:35.39 | stew | mkt-: is there a reason you are using such an old version of python? |
| 19:35.47 | jordanm | 2.2? really? |
| 19:35.54 | mkt- | yes |
| 19:35.56 | mkt- | 2.2 |
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| 19:36.05 | mkt- | for system automatec work |
| 19:36.07 | orioni | hi there , im looking for a bare metal backup free software , anyone that is recommended for debian ? |
| 19:36.14 | mkt- | need of version 2.2 |
| 19:36.48 | mkt- | Already try use python version 3.2 |
| 19:36.51 | mkt- | not work |
| 19:37.00 | jordanm | mkt-: legacy system automation scripts require gtk? |
| 19:37.08 | mkt- | yes |
| 19:37.09 | jordanm | well, of course 3.2 is not going to work |
| 19:37.20 | jordanm | 3.x is not backwards compatile with 2.x |
| 19:37.29 | jordanm | compatible |
| 19:37.37 | mkt- | Understand |
| 19:37.46 | jordanm | mkt-: have you tried 2.5 that defaults with lenny? |
| 19:38.15 | stew | mkt-: you'd have to go to pygtk.org and download and install a version by hand then. I somehow doubt that a recent version of pytgtk would work with 2.2, but you could try |
| 19:38.44 | jordanm | thats a .pyc.. when they are byte-compiled that does make the version-specifc doesn't it? |
| 19:38.59 | mkt- | bd:/usr/local/autosystem3# python2.5 -u config/config_local.pyc |
| 19:39.10 | mkt- | RuntimeError: Bad magic number in .pyc file |
| 19:39.11 | stew | mkt-: do you not have the .py files? just have the pyc files? |
| 19:39.34 | mkt- | only pyc files |
| 19:40.03 | jordanm | I guess that means its not only a legacy application, but a proprietary legacy application |
| 19:40.28 | b11d` | so... new into Debian here.. FreeBSD user for like 15 years.. in FreeBSD, i can use 'kldload' to add kernel modules dynamically.. whats the counterpart for this in linux? (excuse my incredible noobishness) |
| 19:40.46 | stew | b11d`: modprobe (and modprobe -r to remove) |
| 19:40.49 | b11d` | thank you :) |
| 19:41.04 | stew | b11d`: lsmod to list already loaded. modprobe -l to list available |
| 19:41.11 | mkt- | jordanm not compiled yet |
| 19:41.19 | b11d` | perfect, thanks stew! |
| 19:41.21 | jordanm | mkt-: whats not compiled yet? |
| 19:41.37 | mkt- | jordanm, the aplication , not recompiled |
| 19:41.38 | b11d` | "hey theres still some meat on that bone... add some broth, an onion, and baby.. you got yourself a stew going!" |
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| 19:41.52 | stew | thanks carl |
| 19:41.57 | b11d` | :) |
| 19:42.00 | jordanm | mkt-: well, you will never be able to recompile without the source .py files |
| 19:42.04 | mkt- | jordanm, compiled only the python using svn |
| 19:42.19 | Matic`Makovec | Hey there. I'm looking for someone that's using BTRFS |
| 19:42.35 | thewanderer1 | bad luck. I'm using ZFS now :P |
| 19:42.45 | mkt- | jordanm, i'll try |
| 19:42.52 | mkt- | thanks |
| 19:42.56 | Matic`Makovec | thewanderer1, why so? |
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| 19:43.22 | Matic`Makovec | Since I've never even heard of btrfs before 5mins ago and I've heard so much good about it that your change to another one rather amazes me |
| 19:43.59 | b11d` | cant wait for reasonable ZFS in linux |
| 19:44.02 | thewanderer1 | I run ZFS because its on-disk format is stable while I am not so sure about btrfs - I want to be future-proof |
| 19:44.11 | b11d` | i *love* ZFS in FreeBSD |
| 19:44.24 | b11d` | only thing I ever want to thank Sun for |
| 19:44.26 | thewanderer1 | and yeah, ZFS on fuse is not very fast, but it's sufficient for me |
| 19:44.57 | b11d` | i've read that btrfs is still a little too new for anyone wary of data loss |
| 19:45.03 | b11d` | but im also interested in that |
| 19:45.30 | Matic`Makovec | I'd like to see three reasons why should I use brtfs...really |
| 19:45.44 | Matic`Makovec | I've heard nothing but "awesome stuff" about it in last 10mins |
| 19:45.57 | jhutchins_lt | b11d`: Those fancy filesystems really only make sense if you're using HUGE files and disks. |
| 19:45.59 | Matic`Makovec | And...10mins ago was, as said earlier, the first time I ever heard of it |
| 19:46.20 | b11d` | well im dealing with 20 and 40TB arrays regularly these days |
| 19:46.41 | b11d` | i dunno, probably doesnt qualify as huge these days |
| 19:46.45 | b11d` | huge to me though :) |
| 19:47.34 | b11d` | whats the deal with ext4 these days? good enough for production? im wondering why im still seeing ext3 as default.. |
| 19:47.47 | b11d` | dont mean to hijack the conver.. sorry :) |
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| 19:48.29 | stew | b11d`: when lenny was frozen in 2008 it was still marked as experimental in the kernel we were freezing with |
| 19:48.31 | jelly-home | b11d`: not good enough for my production |
| 19:48.33 | roe | b11d`, is there something you are unhappy with about ext3? |
| 19:48.53 | Matic`Makovec | b11d`, I haven't seen an array larger then 5tb |
| 19:48.58 | Matic`Makovec | So in my book, that's huge |
| 19:49.07 | Matic`Makovec | Seen as in seen it hands on by me |
| 19:49.09 | bzed | Matic`Makovec: I'd not use btrfs yet, much too new |
| 19:49.19 | jelly-home | b11d`: huge arrays needn't mean huge single filesystems |
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| 19:49.46 | jelly-home | slice them, dice them, make them fsckable in finite time |
| 19:49.47 | bzed | b11d`: some people want to give it some more time to be tested better, but I never had any problem with ext4 so far, seems to be pretty stable |
| 19:50.43 | jelly-home | bzed: ever run a busy mail server queue on it? |
| 19:51.02 | jelly-home | maybe 20 mails/s, 2-10MB/s write? |
| 19:51.39 | Matic`Makovec | So basically, brtfs might be the future but isn't a viable or at least sure option at this point |
| 19:51.39 | b11d` | cool.. i appreciate the commends |
| 19:51.40 | diago | where do you allow user commands in ssh. I can't <tab> complete |
| 19:51.50 | b11d` | and no.. never had issues with ext3, but theres a reason for ext4 to exist.. so i wanna know :) |
| 19:52.01 | Matic`Makovec | I'm an ext3 fan myself as well |
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| 19:52.18 | jhutchins_lt | ext4 is still incompatible with some other programs like grub0. |
| 19:52.20 | Matic`Makovec | Haven't had ext4 any further then virtual testing to be honest... |
| 19:52.55 | jhutchins_lt | diago: Is bash completion installed/enabled? Are you running bash? |
| 19:53.14 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: that's only in debian, distros that care have patched grub-legacy |
| 19:53.43 | jordanm | does "distros that care" include something other than fedora? |
| 19:53.45 | jhutchins_lt | That's not the only potential issue, but yes, all the issues CAN be addressed. |
| 19:53.54 | jelly-home | jordanm: gentoo as well, I think |
| 19:54.09 | jordanm | ' |
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| 19:54.20 | jhutchins_lt | Ppppbbbt. Gentoo has compatibility modules for v'ger. |
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| 19:54.36 | jelly-home | that's bad how exactly? |
| 19:54.38 | bzed | jelly-home: no. and actually I'd still use ext2 for that |
| 19:54.45 | mamalujo | hi! is there any cmd to see how much vram I got? |
| 19:55.06 | b11d` | so.. when i run 'modprobe /lib/modules/2.6.32.22/dahdi/dahdi.ko' I keep getting "Module <path> not found" |
| 19:55.07 | jordanm | mamalujo: lshw will likely tell you |
| 19:55.08 | abrotman | mamalujo: free |
| 19:55.13 | abrotman | oh .. video ram |
| 19:55.19 | _stefanos_ | after days of serious fight with my system i have managed to fix the issue with nvidia |
| 19:55.31 | jelly-home | !win _stefanos_ |
| 19:55.31 | dpkg | Congratulations, _stefanos_! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 19:55.43 | _stefanos_ | for some reason the upgrade showed me that everything went ok but some packages were heavily corrupted! |
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| 19:56.01 | b11d` | is there a particular method for using modprobe to load .ko files that im not understanding? |
| 19:56.11 | b11d` | or do I need to have the modules in a specific place? |
| 19:56.15 | stew | b11d`: you don't give it a full path, just he module name |
| 19:56.20 | b11d` | i tried that.. same result |
| 19:56.27 | stew | b11d`: waid, where did these come from? did you install them yourself? |
| 19:56.30 | stew | ^waid^wait |
| 19:56.35 | b11d` | yeah.. from source.. |
| 19:56.51 | b11d` | FATAL: Module dahdi.ko not found. |
| 19:56.55 | _stefanos_ | stew: don't you prefer 's/waid/wait/g'? |
| 19:57.10 | stew | b11d`: did they get installed to /lib/modules/$(uname -r) somewhere? |
| 19:57.14 | b11d` | 'make install' is what put them there |
| 19:57.26 | b11d` | yeah.. /lib/modules/2.6.32.22/dahdi' |
| 19:57.29 | stew | b11d`: do they show up in "modprobe -l"? |
| 19:57.48 | stew | _stefanos_: i dunno, seems longer |
| 19:57.54 | b11d` | yeah.. they do show up |
| 19:58.00 | _pepo_ | I was trying to install Squeeze with the new image of testing-kde cd but this CD doesn't have all the packages, there are to update the image in the servers |
| 19:58.06 | b11d` | dahdi/dahdi.ko is in the list |
| 19:58.14 | _stefanos_ | yeah, from that perspective, i agree :/ |
| 19:58.28 | stew | _stefanos_: but from some other perspective? |
| 19:58.37 | _stefanos_ | it's nice :D |
| 19:58.46 | stew | b11d`: and "modprobe dahdi" gives an error? |
| 19:58.47 | jelly-home | stew: _stefanos_ doesn't like carets |
| 19:58.56 | b11d` | son of a bitch |
| 19:59.00 | b11d` | i was adding the .ko |
| 19:59.00 | stew | or maybe shell shortcuts |
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| 19:59.05 | b11d` | 'modprobe dahdi' worked |
| 19:59.06 | b11d` | thanks :) |
| 19:59.15 | _stefanos_ | :) haha no man, carets are just fine ;) |
| 19:59.26 | jelly-home | even raw? |
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| 20:03.30 | _stefanos_ | jelly-home, network manager is installed (gnome), but shows disconnected all the time. I obviously have connection as you can see ;) |
| 20:05.44 | diago | any idea why bash_completion would be bombing for non-root users? |
| 20:05.58 | diago | nvm, the reboot fixed it... |
| 20:06.09 | jelly-home | NetworkManager can be a bit disconnected from the Debian's default network configuration method, /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 20:06.23 | diago | I take that back... |
| 20:06.35 | stew | _stefanos_: you might read /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian about what interfaces it chooses to care about |
| 20:07.05 | _stefanos_ | stew: i will do that; thanks :) |
| 20:07.56 | b11d` | so.. i have all these dahdi kernel modules that need to get loaded at boot.. is this done automatically, or do I need to be editing something in /etc/modprobe.d ? |
| 20:07.57 | joshb | I am installing Lenny on a laptop with recognized I'net connection, and it is hanging on "Retrieving apt..." (6%) is that normal ? |
| 20:08.07 | _stefanos_ | also, for some reason PATH has been affected and does not include /sbin. where's PATH located, in .profile? |
| 20:08.14 | b11d` | try a different mirror joshb? |
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| 20:08.15 | diago | weird, I was somehow using sh instead of bash |
| 20:08.36 | joshb | b11d`: ok, should i press escape ? thanks for the help btw |
| 20:08.41 | stew | b11d`: you can list them in /etc/modules |
| 20:08.46 | b11d` | ok, thanks again stew. |
| 20:09.00 | stew | b11d`: btw, if you want to hear it now that you are done, there was a 'debian' way of building that module :) |
| 20:09.01 | b11d` | no idea joshb.. i'd guess try a different mirror after restarting the install process? |
| 20:09.06 | b11d` | im pretty new too joshb.. sorry man |
| 20:09.21 | b11d` | stew.. well the asterisk/digium guys recommended I go for the source build |
| 20:09.27 | b11d` | and im troubleshooting a card, so im doing what they ask |
| 20:09.31 | joshb | ok, that might work, tho haven't seen it present a list/option for mirrors |
| 20:09.34 | b11d` | although i would like to hear about your way as well |
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| 20:09.50 | stew | there is a dahdi-source package in backports.org |
| 20:09.58 | stew | !m-a b11d` dahdi |
| 20:09.58 | dpkg | b11d`: to compile and install dahdi for your running kernel: aptitude install module-assistant && m-a a-i dahdi && modprobe dahdi ; if this works echo dahdi >> /etc/modules ; also ask me about <m-a> |
| 20:09.59 | joshb | maybe i'll give this mirror some more time then, if it probably a slow mirror |
| 20:09.59 | b11d` | i dont have a clue how the backports stuff work yet |
| 20:10.15 | Armageddon | I have a general question, I would like to stream on an already existing shoutcast server, how do I do from debian ? |
| 20:10.19 | b11d` | im too fresh faced :) |
| 20:10.35 | stew | b11d`: "/msg dpkg bpo" in your irc client to read about backports, which are basically newer packages backported to the stable release |
| 20:10.44 | b11d` | ah cool |
| 20:10.46 | b11d` | thanks, will do |
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| 20:11.25 | b11d` | you're the best stew, thanks :) |
| 20:11.37 | b11d` | now I have the "baby, you got yourself a stew going" stuck in my head |
| 20:11.44 | stew | b11d`: I AM! your welcome :) |
| 20:11.53 | stew | ^your^you're |
| 20:12.10 | stew | you should picture me looking just like carl weathers |
| 20:12.17 | b11d` | i am, believe me.. :) |
| 20:12.34 | b11d` | holding up a bone with like a thread of meat hanging off of it |
| 20:13.24 | joshb | i have CDs tho, no idea why it looks at Internet |
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| 20:14.00 | joshb | or even if it is |
| 20:14.12 | hiwk | I can't get my microphone to work (lspci and arecord output: http://pastebin.com/XEhWn0HX ), what could I try? |
| 20:14.16 | _stefanos_ | stew, how come and my /usr directory is almost full (4.1GB 95%)? I never had a similar issue with manual partitioning. |
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| 20:22.39 | comradekingu | _stefanos_: Its either a quota, or its on a separate partition |
| 20:22.53 | _stefanos_ | it is a separate partition |
| 20:22.59 | stew | _stefanos_: because you installed a bunch of stuff? |
| 20:23.11 | _stefanos_ | switch from lenny to squeeze |
| 20:23.23 | comradekingu | It isnt by default, which leaves us at manual partitioning? |
| 20:23.55 | _stefanos_ | i selected the manual way from debian DVD (5.0.6), and left the default values the wizard gave me |
| 20:24.05 | stew | doesn't really matter now |
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| 20:24.44 | _stefanos_ | it needs cleanup for sure |
| 20:24.49 | _stefanos_ | from unnecessary files |
| 20:25.22 | jhutchins_lt | Murphy's law says that if you partition, you will have the space you need on the wrong partition. |
| 20:25.49 | stew | so use lvm and leave some leftover extends in the VG ! |
| 20:25.53 | jhutchins_lt | _stefanos_: If you use lvm, that might allow you to resize partitons and gain some space. |
| 20:26.20 | jhutchins_lt | stew: Or just don't partition in the first place, which simplifies things and leads to less chance of failure. |
| 20:26.40 | _stefanos_ | i didn't want to use LVM from the first place |
| 20:27.17 | jhutchins_lt | parted allows you to resize partitions. |
| 20:27.28 | _stefanos_ | without losing valuable data? |
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| 20:27.35 | stew | yes, but backup first anyway |
| 20:27.42 | _stefanos_ | oh man :( |
| 20:27.45 | _stefanos_ | not again! |
| 20:27.51 | stew | not again what? |
| 20:27.56 | _stefanos_ | backup |
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| 20:28.09 | _stefanos_ | another 40+GB? |
| 20:28.12 | stew | is that not somehting you are doing regularly anyway? |
| 20:28.14 | EmleyMoor | Always have good backups |
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| 20:30.33 | jhutchins_lt | _stefanos_: 8 40G backups on a $40 320G HD. |
| 20:30.41 | dondelelcaro | stew, jelly-home: yes, the problem is that changing it requires recompiling the eggdrop bot, which is annoying |
| 20:30.54 | dondelelcaro | stew, jelly-home: which I probably should do, but have been lazy |
| 20:31.16 | _stefanos_ | I have an external HD but stupid me, when I was under WinBlows I formatted it as FAT32 |
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| 20:31.36 | jhutchins_lt | _stefanos_: So use tar. |
| 20:31.39 | _stefanos_ | I will transfer the backups on another external HD and I will convert it to ext3 |
| 20:32.20 | jhutchins_lt | tar can preserve ownership and permissions on fat32. |
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| 20:33.15 | _stefanos_ | that's not the issue buddy :) if you have used FAT32 a bit, you will sure had the back luck to get interrupted by the filesystem itself about size limitation |
| 20:33.34 | _stefanos_ | up to 4GB files you can paste in a FAT32 partition |
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| 20:33.58 | stew | dondelelcaro: should I start fiendishly looking at #427157 :) |
| 20:34.41 | jhutchins_lt | _stefanos_: Ah, there is that. |
| 20:34.53 | _stefanos_ | so you see? |
| 20:35.12 | jhutchins_lt | I tried to back up a DVD on a mac and os-x couldn't handle the filesize. |
| 20:35.14 | _stefanos_ | that's why i said stupid me :D |
| 20:35.30 | _stefanos_ | ext3 and ext4 is open source filesystem? |
| 20:35.50 | stew | _stefanos_: yes, they are part of the linux kernel which is gpl-2 |
| 20:35.54 | AimHere | There are open source implementations of ext2, ext3 and ext4 |
| 20:36.00 | jhutchins_lt | _stefanos_: Supposedly there is a parted that allows you to resize live (mounted, active) filesystems, but I know I wouldn't do it without backups. |
| 20:36.26 | stew | resize2fs grows live filesystems with no problems |
| 20:36.31 | _stefanos_ | yeap, agree |
| 20:36.35 | jhutchins_lt | AimHere: I don't believe there are NON-os implementations of them. |
| 20:37.05 | Phr3ak_ | is there already a release date for Debian 6 ? |
| 20:37.15 | jhutchins_lt | Phr3ak_: No. When it's ready. |
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| 20:40.37 | unkmar | what is the easiest way to recycle my sound. flush out bad drivers and redetect/install the onboard sound? |
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| 20:42.45 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: os-driver.org is not open source |
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| 20:43.02 | jhutchins_lt | Hm. |
| 20:43.09 | jhutchins_lt | is unclear on the licensing then. |
| 20:43.09 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: there are lots of ext*fs commercial products |
| 20:43.37 | jhutchins_lt | Not that I actually care, ext support is in linux, so... |
| 20:43.40 | jhutchins_lt | run linux. |
| 20:44.25 | joshb | On Ctrl-Alt-Del reboot, it seemed to go fine, asking for accounts and then CDs ... (no idea why, wasn't looking). |
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| 20:49.38 | joshb | The partitioner is great, resizing etc etc. |
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| 20:56.28 | nsadmin | joshb: man 5 sources.list |
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| 20:59.24 | joshb | k, the stall didn't happen when downloading packages tho; but before asking for account - no idea what that was but doesn't matter |
| 21:00.34 | joshb | *accounts (user/root) |
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| 21:09.44 | joshb | Maybe this is nonsense, but: after scanned 3 CDs it said 'try a mirror,' but i had 3 more CDs. Tho I pressed 'back' and then had all 6 scanned, that was a bit of a gamble; maybe it should say 'press back to scan for more' ? (iirc!) |
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| 21:21.00 | _stefanos_ | has anyone attempted to move ext3 manual partitions to lvm? |
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| 21:26.14 | jordanm | _stefanos_: ext3 is a filesystem, lvm is a partition scheme. you can have an ext3 filesystem on a lvm partition |
| 21:27.27 | _stefanos_ | how then can say to lvm to resize my existing partitions? or even better, to let it arrange everything by it's own? |
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| 21:30.03 | ragix | Hi all. |
| 21:30.24 | joshb | hi ragix |
| 21:31.34 | ragix | Hmm, the acpi docs on tldp seem rather old |
| 21:31.54 | ragix | can anyone sugguest a nice resource on acpi support? |
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| 21:36.40 | joshb | I'm not sure to say this but here anyway, there is an e-democracy project, unique functionality, rejected by mistakes in GNU ppl wrt the issue, left out, cold, alone ... http://www.law4.org/sede thx |
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| 21:51.08 | ragix | ok, i have found what i am looking for. http://wiki.deibian.org/Suspend |
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| 21:51.15 | ragix | if anyone else is curious |
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| 21:58.39 | nameless` | hi |
| 21:59.07 | nameless` | how can i migrate from debian stable to debian testing ? does upgrading my source.list is enough ? |
| 21:59.57 | qq- | dpkg, lenny->squeeze |
| 21:59.57 | dpkg | WARNING: you must upgrade the kernel and reboot prior to the full-upgrade. Remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile, backports), then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list. aptitude update && aptitude install linux-image-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` ; reboot; aptitude full-upgrade. If full-upgrade fails, try "apt-get dist-upgrade". See <squeeze release notes>, <squeeze udev>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing> |
| 22:00.30 | nameless` | ok |
| 22:00.32 | nameless` | thx |
| 22:00.46 | qq- | np |
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| 22:40.31 | kevin7kal | I have executed some processes which have made a remote system swap ( alot ) to where it will not accept any new ssh sessions |
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| 22:42.04 | kevin7kal | I was not able to have my current ssh session respond so I killed it. does anyone know how long it might take until my remote processes are terminated? |
| 22:44.35 | jordanm | kevin7kal: I don't think OOM killer will kick in unless its going to crash the machine |
| 22:45.33 | kevin7kal | jordanm: these were just some scripts - I assume they will die if the bash session they were executed in dies |
| 22:45.57 | kevin7kal | which the bash session should die when the ssh session times out? |
| 22:45.59 | jordanm | if they were attached the the shell you killed, its gone immediatly |
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| 23:01.46 | mmnicolas | hi |
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| 23:10.35 | krabador | how can i install dependencies AFTER installed a package with dpkg -i ? |
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| 23:10.57 | jhutchins_lt | krabador: aptitude -f install |
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| 23:11.17 | krabador | jhutchins_lt, thanx |
| 23:11.51 | jhutchins_lt | Pretty much any aptitude operation should offer to fix the dependencies. |
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| 23:19.25 | tharkun | Will the (+r) be permanent on this channel ? |
| 23:19.39 | dondelelcaro | tharkun: no |
| 23:20.25 | tharkun | Isn't 2 weeks long enough to avoid the casual spammer ? |
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| 23:21.03 | dondelelcaro | tharkun: we turn it on and off occasionally |
| 23:22.42 | tharkun | dondelelcaro: ok reason for the questions is that the +r i believe has been on for quite some time now. Thanks for answering my ot questions |
| 23:22.49 | streuner_ | dondelelcaro: well, there are about 300 users who arent here anymore... |
| 23:23.33 | jordanm | it was freenode staff that turned it on, on a big spammer day IIRC |
| 23:23.58 | streuner_ | and some OPs who didnt do anything about... |
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| 23:24.30 | abrotman | were there ops here? |
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| 23:24.56 | streuner_ | abrotman: sure, i told twice it in #debian-ot... |
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| 23:25.16 | abrotman | streuner_: i don't think i was around, not sure who else was |
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| 23:25.35 | streuner_ | abrotman: sure, i didnt call names... |
| 23:26.42 | dondelelcaro | we've turned +r on a couple of times, and FN staff can too if there's a problem. Normally, if we notice, we turn it back off. |
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| 23:30.59 | __adso | Hi all, anyone knows how i could set the sources.list to search and download .udeb archives ? |
| 23:31.20 | streuner_ | !udeb |
| 23:31.20 | dpkg | udebs are microdebs, "regular debian packages that are not <policy> compliant. They are used by the new debian-installer project, to build up the actual system that then installs debian." -- thus spake Joey Hess, the great debian genius, or http://wiki.debian.org/udeb |
| 23:32.00 | abrotman | __adso: what package are you actually trying to get? |
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| 23:32.25 | __adso | thank you i am just just trying to make a custom debian installer and i would like to search among the udeb's .. playing.. |
| 23:32.49 | esaym153 | hey that new linux kernel exploit for the amd64 kernel is only a problem if you have untrusted users using your machine right? ie, if it is just a webserver machine and I am the only one with access I probably won't have to worry about it right? |
| 23:33.26 | __adso | i'd like to be able to list and search then with some apt command |
| 23:33.54 | neoice | anyone know why ia32-libs isnt in my aptitude? I'm using the same sources.lst on different servers and can find it there. |
| 23:34.03 | abrotman | esaym153: well, that's not exactly how it works .. there could be a shell exploit for apache, and then they could use the kernel one to get a root shell |
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| 23:35.09 | esaym153 | abrotman: hmm, I think I'll just wait to reboot once I upgrade to squeeze in december |
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| 23:35.19 | neoice | esaym153: yep. if your system is accessible to the internet, there's always a chance someone can gain a local shell |
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| 23:35.35 | abrotman | esaym153: up to you, but unless the system takes a long time to reboot, i'd do it now, your call |
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| 23:36.08 | esaym153 | actually the amd64 part is the xen dom0, all the guests are 32bit |
| 23:36.22 | esaym153 | no one can get to the dom0 (I don't think) |
| 23:36.32 | esaym153 | only one user on it anyway (root) |
| 23:36.42 | neoice | esaym153: there's some steps you can take to prevent attackers from having a useful shell. split your file system into multiple partitions and mount as much as possible as noexec |
| 23:37.08 | neoice | use a binary integrity checker, mount /usr and /bin as read-only... |
| 23:37.25 | esaym153 | yea, this is just a personal system though. |
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| 23:38.04 | neoice | my personal system is locked down. grsec is pretty nice too, although a bit advanced |
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| 23:44.53 | neoice | is there a way to execute a command as a user with a /bin/false shell? seems like that gets called before the -c option takes effect. |
| 23:45.26 | stew | neoice: add -s ? |
| 23:45.34 | stew | neoice: assuming you are using su |
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| 23:49.27 | clocker | hi all |
| 23:49.39 | clocker | My mouse is a little on the excited side. How do I slow it up in fluxbox? I'm running Lenny |
| 23:49.55 | clocker | xset not being permanent... |
| 23:51.19 | jordanm | neoice: something like this maybe: su user -c 'bash -c "command"' |
| 23:51.35 | jordanm | neoice: if not, you will have to use sudo |
| 23:52.00 | stew | why not -s ? |
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| 23:52.37 | jordanm | because I didn't know it existed, and just watched a greycat rant on the subject recently... |
| 23:53.39 | jordanm | stew: thanks |
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| 23:54.22 | macrobat | clocker: xinput |
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| 23:55.50 | clocker | macrobat, thanks |
| 23:57.51 | macrobat | you need to reset it whith a new X session, though |
| 23:57.52 | tharkun | dondelelcaro: thx for fixing the isue |
| 23:58.15 | clocker | k |
| 23:58.29 | neoice | I didnt know -s existed either |
| 23:58.36 | streuner_ | tharkun: nah, thanks to you in order to mention it |
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