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| 00:01.24 | streuner_ | dpkg, tharkun++ |
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| 00:02.05 | tharkun | blushes |
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| 00:06.08 | andares | hey, what's the easiest way to prepare a USB stick install of Debian from Windows? |
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| 00:07.30 | tharkun | !unetbootin |
| 00:07.31 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions, packaged for Debian. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ See also <usb install>. |
| 00:07.41 | andares | cool. |
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| 00:08.17 | andares | dpkg, should I start from mini.iso or something? I was hoping to install a minimal system getting packages over the net. |
| 00:08.17 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, andares |
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| 00:08.37 | streuner_ | dpkg, what are you? |
| 00:08.38 | dpkg | I am an infobot. For more info see <infobot>. |
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| 00:08.42 | andares | er, tharkun* |
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| 00:09.12 | tharkun | andares: use the netinst image it will get you through the instalation process nice and easy |
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| 00:09.41 | andares | tharkun, is that in /debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ ? |
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| 00:10.20 | tharkun | andares: i suppose it is, i am not familiar with the urls |
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| 00:10.39 | tharkun | !download |
| 00:10.40 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
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| 00:10.43 | andares | er, tharkun.. does the netinst/netboot thing actually download the kernel/etc. from the internet and proceed there? |
| 00:10.55 | andares | dpkg, install guide |
| 00:10.55 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.6) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
| 00:11.10 | e-dub | hey fellas |
| 00:11.20 | tharkun | andares: you can /msg dpkg install guide |
| 00:11.28 | andares | 'k. |
| 00:11.34 | andares | but it doesn't actually help me, I think. |
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| 00:13.00 | andares | okay, giving it a shot! |
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| 00:23.47 | rednammoc | hi guys. is there a tool around which informs about outgoing connections before they've been established? |
| 00:24.05 | abrotman | you mean like windows firewall junk ? |
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| 00:24.19 | rednammoc | abrotman: yeah, something like this |
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| 00:25.16 | tharkun | rednammoc: There is a state machine that keeps track of connections inside the kernel i just don't know if you can access it directly from userspace |
| 00:26.32 | tomodachi | couldnt that be done with iptables? |
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| 00:26.45 | tomodachi | you can add a logging rule to iptables |
| 00:26.53 | tomodachi | then make some scripted event around it .. |
| 00:27.40 | rednammoc | tomodachi: http://www.faqs.org/docs/iptables/statemachine.html ? |
| 00:28.26 | tomodachi | ah didnt know it was called the statemachine |
| 00:28.34 | tomodachi | in iptables |
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| 00:38.58 | rpgdude | all of a sudden, i am unable to mount nfs shares on my netbook |
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| 00:39.12 | rpgdude | anyone have any ideas? |
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| 00:41.52 | tomodachi | rpgdude: maybe you have acls |
| 00:42.02 | tomodachi | that only allow mounts from certain ip:s |
| 00:42.04 | tomodachi | and you use dhcp |
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| 00:44.30 | rpgdude | yeah but i have a valid ip |
| 00:44.41 | rpgdude | im using 192.168.1.0/24 |
| 00:44.53 | tomodachi | have you checked your logs? |
| 00:45.02 | rpgdude | which one? |
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| 00:46.54 | rpgdude | should i check the client or server logs? |
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| 00:47.22 | tomodachi | rpgdude: why do you ask instead of checking both? |
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| 00:47.36 | tomodachi | you should save my time , not yours |
| 00:48.27 | rpgdude | what file does nfs log to? |
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| 00:49.20 | FluxD | !linux-image |
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| 00:49.31 | wireddd | I need some help with my xorg.conf, I am trying to figure out how to force it to only 1280x1024 on both of my monitors @ 75hz, because my dual head setup breaks to the point that I have to restart X if a program tries to full screen as some random resolution. here is my xorg.conf thus far http://pastebin.org/1055770 |
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| 00:51.49 | FluxD | Whats the latest kernel for lenny? |
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| 00:52.21 | tharkun | ,kernels |
| 00:52.22 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.35-trunk-686 (2.6.35-1~experimental.3); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-23); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-23); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-23~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-25lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
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| 00:55.29 | wire | here is my xorg without all the extra crud http://pastebin.org/1056024 |
| 00:55.57 | ana__ | Hi all! some folders in my windox partition are not available when I try to acces via dolphin, files and folders with ñ, á, é, etc.... in their names... |
| 00:56.24 | ana__ | I'm very new here |
| 00:57.16 | ana__ | just installed kubuntu 10.04 |
| 00:57.34 | wire | you shoul go to the kubuntu channel then |
| 00:57.38 | wire | *should |
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| 00:58.21 | ana__ | noone could help there, and since that's based in debian... i though... |
| 00:58.24 | FluxD | If I have 8gb ram, should I be using bigmem ? |
| 00:58.43 | jordanm | FluxD: if on i386, yes, or you can actually use the amd64 kernel |
| 00:58.47 | Raggs | FluxD, in a 32 but kernel yes |
| 00:59.14 | FluxD | It supports 64bit, but installed 32bit |
| 00:59.44 | Raggs | then a bigmem kernel would be a good idea |
| 00:59.46 | amphi | !tell ana__ -about based on debian |
| 01:00.14 | nsadmin | ana__: one thing I can tell you is you've described the symptoms well |
| 01:00.19 | Raggs | ana__, what distro and what is the problem? |
| 01:00.21 | ana__ | ? |
| 01:00.33 | ana__ | kubuntu |
| 01:00.50 | Raggs | and the problem? |
| 01:01.27 | ana__ | and the prob is some folders in my win partition are unaccesible by dolphin, the ones with ñ,á...etc |
| 01:01.47 | ana__ | dolphin is the file manager in my distro |
| 01:01.55 | Raggs | yes, kde i know |
| 01:01.56 | jordanm | ana__: which is not our distro |
| 01:02.08 | Raggs | ana__, cam i pm you? |
| 01:02.27 | FluxD | Is 486 better or 686? |
| 01:02.31 | ana__ | yes |
| 01:02.38 | ana__ | ? |
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| 01:03.31 | jordanm | FluxD: you only want 486 if you have an original pentium |
| 01:03.52 | jordanm | for really legacy machines |
| 01:04.01 | FluxD | I have a xeon, so I get linux-image-2.6.26-2-686-bigmem? |
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| 01:04.38 | jordanm | FluxD: YES |
| 01:04.46 | jordanm | sorry for caps, accident |
| 01:04.52 | FluxD | np thanks for help |
| 01:06.55 | nsadmin | , versions postgresql-9.0 |
| 01:06.57 | judd | Package postgresql-9.0 on i386 -- sid: 9.0.0-3 |
| 01:07.14 | nsadmin | how can you find the date of that upload |
| 01:07.22 | nsadmin | is that new as of today? |
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| 01:09.16 | andares | hey guys, so I kinda got Debian installed. |
| 01:09.25 | roe_ | kinda? |
| 01:09.26 | andares | I was a fool though and selected grub2 during the install. |
| 01:09.37 | andares | the thing is, that I installed from a USB drive. |
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| 01:09.50 | roe_ | is that like being kinda pregnant? |
| 01:10.03 | andares | the way that my BIOS works, USB drive = hd0, SATA = hd1. |
| 01:10.13 | andares | so for one, I had to edit /etc/fstab to make it work. |
| 01:10.34 | andares | since when I took th USB drive out of the system, the SATA drive became hd0 and everything got screwed u. |
| 01:10.34 | nsadmin | hd0 and hd1 sound like grub names |
| 01:10.34 | roe_ | your sata drive should show up as sda in /etc/fstab |
| 01:10.34 | jordanm | andares: what version of debian is this? |
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| 01:10.37 | andares | *up |
| 01:10.40 | andares | jordanm: uh, lenny. |
| 01:10.49 | andares | roe_: nope, sdb. I fixed it though. |
| 01:11.01 | jordanm | lenny installer has an option to install grub2? |
| 01:11.03 | roe_ | well the 's' is important |
| 01:11.04 | andares | but grub is still messed up. I'm getting Error 15, presumably because it's looking in the wrong place. |
| 01:11.07 | andares | yeah. |
| 01:11.08 | jordanm | doesn't recall that |
| 01:11.13 | andares | it does now. |
| 01:11.22 | jordanm | it does now? as if it changes hehe |
| 01:11.27 | andares | I used the net install, maybe that's different. |
| 01:11.30 | roe_ | I suggest using drive labels |
| 01:11.40 | jordanm | andares: expert mode? |
| 01:11.44 | andares | oh, yeah, that. |
| 01:11.53 | jordanm | !reinstall grub |
| 01:11.53 | dpkg | See http://wiki.debian.org/GrubRecover http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s07.html. Boot a CD like <grml>, mount your disk read/write, (mount boot partition into your / partition if applicable,) mount -o bind /dev/ /your/root/dev; chroot /your/root; mount -t proc none /proc; grub-install /dev/foo (you may need to edit /etc/mtab and/or /boot/grub/device.map). Also ask me about <fixmbr> <rescue mode>. |
| 01:12.23 | nsadmin | so it looks like grub itself is booting but having trouble booting your os |
| 01:12.49 | andares | nsadmin: the MBR is working correctly, since grub shows up, but it doesn't get to stage2. |
| 01:13.08 | andares | so it's obviously looking in the wrong place for the partition containing /grub. |
| 01:13.15 | andares | I'm not sure where to change it though. |
| 01:13.18 | nsadmin | that's possible |
| 01:13.37 | jordanm | andares: for grub2, that is groot in /etc/default/grub |
| 01:13.56 | jordanm | it should specify your partition containing /boot |
| 01:14.07 | andares | jordanm: I don't have a GROOT entry there. |
| 01:14.11 | nsadmin | but if this is grub2 the thing you're booting isn't called stage2 (altho you can still think of it as the second stage of the boot) |
| 01:14.30 | andares | nsadmin: it said "loading stage1.5" |
| 01:14.41 | jordanm | oh, right, groot was grub1 |
| 01:14.47 | nsadmin | hmm. so maybe it's legacy grub |
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| 01:15.03 | jordanm | not legacy in lenny |
| 01:15.04 | andares | nsadmin: huh. how would I tell? |
| 01:15.12 | jordanm | prefers to call it less complicated grub :p |
| 01:15.57 | nsadmin | legacy is grub1 or grub-0.9x |
| 01:16.25 | jordanm | grub-legacy was the adopted name for squeeze |
| 01:16.35 | andares | yeah, but how do I tell what version of grub I have installed? |
| 01:16.36 | FluxD | What is the correct way to see what is the kernel booting through grub2? |
| 01:16.38 | andares | I'm new to apt. |
| 01:17.18 | jordanm | andares: apt-cache policy grub |
| 01:17.20 | nsadmin | try apt-cache show grub |
| 01:17.35 | nsadmin | well either will show current version |
| 01:17.37 | andares | it says none is installed. O_o |
| 01:17.49 | andares | but candidate is 0.97-47lenny2 |
| 01:17.55 | nsadmin | ok, try apt-cache policy grub-pc |
| 01:18.06 | nsadmin | that would be what the grub people call legacy |
| 01:18.15 | andares | installed: 1.96+20080724-16 |
| 01:18.19 | jordanm | ,versions grub2 |
| 01:18.21 | judd | Package grub2 on i386 -- etch-backports: 1.96+20080626-1~bpo40+2; lenny: 1.96+20080724-16; lenny-backports: 1.97~beta3-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.98+20100804-4; sid: 1.98+20100804-5 |
| 01:18.22 | andares | (same as candidate) |
| 01:18.29 | jordanm | ,versions grub-pc |
| 01:18.30 | judd | Package grub-pc on i386 -- etch-backports: 1.96+20080626-1~bpo40+2; lenny: 1.96+20080724-16; lenny-backports: 1.97~beta3-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.98+20100804-4; sid: 1.98+20100804-5 |
| 01:18.45 | nsadmin | so you have lenny's grub2 |
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| 01:18.56 | andares | cool |
| 01:19.24 | nsadmin | btw, if your grub is saying it's trying to load stage1.5, you may have remnants of an old grub |
| 01:19.36 | andares | oh yeah, that could be it. I had gentoo installed before this. |
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| 01:19.54 | jordanm | grub2 may have never been installed to that MBR, and instead, was installed to the MBR of the usb stick |
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| 01:20.05 | jordanm | either way, grub reinstallation should take care of it |
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| 01:20.24 | nsadmin | is your installation booted? |
| 01:20.38 | andares | it is. I'm not entirely sure how though. |
| 01:20.51 | andares | when I stuck my installation USB in, it booted to Debian oddly enough. |
| 01:20.55 | nsadmin | there should be a command grub-install |
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| 01:21.02 | andares | yeah, I just ran it. I'm going to try rebooting. |
| 01:21.06 | andares | wish me luccckkkkkk! |
| 01:21.13 | jordanm | andares: grub installed to the usb drive, you need to grub-install your hard drive |
| 01:22.05 | nsadmin | probably installed to his usb again |
| 01:22.27 | jordanm | yeah... he took off quickly |
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| 01:23.05 | roe_ | he'll be back |
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| 01:23.34 | andares | it works now! and I just figured out exactly why it wasn't working before. |
| 01:23.39 | b11d` | what was it? |
| 01:23.46 | andares | so, it thought that my USB drive was the "root" to install grub onto. |
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| 01:24.06 | andares | so basically, it put the grub MBR onto my USB stick, and didn't erase the old MBR on my drive. |
| 01:24.30 | nsadmin | yeah I thought that too since it showed up in device.map as the first drive |
| 01:24.34 | andares | so, when I tried to start it from the drive, it didn't work, but when I put the install disk in to figure out what was going wrong, the MBR loaded Debian! |
| 01:24.38 | andares | haha. |
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| 01:25.01 | nsadmin | do you have a /boot/grub dir? |
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| 01:25.09 | nsadmin | does it have in there, device.map? |
| 01:25.09 | andares | nsadmin: yeah. |
| 01:25.34 | nsadmin | that tells grub what to think of your drives |
| 01:25.57 | andares | yeah. it looks correct now that I ran grub-install /dev/sda. |
| 01:26.06 | nsadmin | oh ok, cool |
| 01:26.13 | rames | 'evening all, can someone tell me the search terms or program i'd use for "remap key to run a program in xwindows"? i've got the keycode, etc. just not sure how to make it happen |
| 01:26.14 | nsadmin | what's in your device.map now |
| 01:26.45 | nsadmin | btw I'm still trying to find out about postgresql-9.0 in sid |
| 01:26.50 | andares | :D uh, (hd0) /dev/sda and (hd1) /dev/sdb. |
| 01:26.51 | jordanm | rames: are you already running a DE such as gnome or xfce? |
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| 01:27.25 | nsadmin | ok, so this time it thinks sda is the first drive (well first drive it could find) |
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| 01:28.01 | rames | jordanm: gnome-ish, it's a netbook i'm not 100% sure of the w.m. (ubuntu netbook remix ... maximus? clutter?) |
| 01:28.01 | andares | yeah. |
| 01:28.09 | jordanm | !ubuntu |
| 01:28.10 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 01:29.10 | rames | jordanm: yeah, i am aware of the difference(s), i've been using debian (yes, debian) for like 10 years now ... sorry to offend |
| 01:30.07 | rames | jordanm: anyway, i'll get out of your hair |
| 01:30.27 | nsadmin | are there low-latency/real-time kernels available for debian? |
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| 01:32.00 | andares | hey, what's the Google Chrome package called? |
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| 01:32.15 | roe_ | nsadmin, you can probably compile your own to meet your specs |
| 01:32.19 | dondelelcaro | andares: chromium |
| 01:32.37 | jordanm | chromium-browser (sid only) |
| 01:32.43 | jordanm | chromium in lenny is actually a game |
| 01:32.58 | nsadmin | roe_: yes, understood... but still curious about what's available |
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| 01:33.20 | qq- | nsadmin, none |
| 01:33.21 | roe_ | I think the stock kernels are pretty.... stock |
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| 01:34.02 | andares | dondelelcaro: it couldn't find the package. is there some repo I need to unmask or something? |
| 01:34.31 | qq- | , info rtai |
| 01:34.32 | judd | Package rtai (devel, extra) in lenny/i386: Real Time Application Interface. Version: 3.6.1-1; Size: 34.8k; Installed: 68k; Homepage: http://www.rtai.org/ |
| 01:34.42 | jordanm | andares: what version of debian are you running? |
| 01:34.43 | roe_ | andares, are you using sid sources? |
| 01:35.01 | qq- | , versions chromium-browser |
| 01:35.01 | judd | Package chromium-browser on i386 -- sid: 6.0.472.62~r59676-1 |
| 01:35.14 | jordanm | that package is not backportable |
| 01:35.24 | andares | jordanm: lenny. |
| 01:35.29 | andares | amd64. |
| 01:35.33 | nsadmin | how can I find the upload date on a package in sid when I don't run sid? |
| 01:35.38 | andares | roe_: what are sid sources? |
| 01:35.43 | jordanm | andares: I would recommend the proprietary package from google.com, won't be supported here however |
| 01:35.44 | roe_ | andares, I would probably do a quick read on how apt[itude] works, and things should be much clearer to you |
| 01:35.55 | andares | ,apt |
| 01:36.09 | andares | er.. does the bot not have anything about it? |
| 01:36.13 | nsadmin | andares: how much crap do you want to get yourself into? :) |
| 01:36.14 | roe_ | , info apt |
| 01:36.15 | judd | Package apt (admin, important) in lenny/i386: Advanced front-end for dpkg. Version: 0.7.20.2+lenny2; Size: 1604.9k; Installed: 5108k; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/apt |
| 01:37.06 | andares | nsadmin: ? |
| 01:37.19 | jordanm | andares: google.com/chrome |
| 01:38.43 | andares | I wanted to use the package manager though. |
| 01:39.25 | roe_ | andares, there is no chrome browser available for lenny in debian's repo |
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| 01:40.04 | roe_ | you can add google's repo and still use the package manager |
| 01:40.49 | roe_ | or you can download the .deb and install it yourself |
| 01:41.09 | jordanm | andares: you will use the package manager, just dpkg directly and not apt |
| 01:41.11 | andares | roe_: hm, why isn't it in the repo? |
| 01:41.15 | andares | out of curiosity. |
| 01:41.31 | jordanm | andares: after you install the package for the first time it will be available via apt |
| 01:41.34 | andares | and yeah, I've added google's repo. :) |
| 01:41.34 | marshallmc | how do i configure snmp for debian |
| 01:41.45 | jordanm | andares: chromium was not around when lenny was released |
| 01:41.57 | andares | wait, how old is lenny? |
| 01:42.00 | jordanm | andares: it will not be included in squeeze either |
| 01:42.07 | roe_ | lenny went stable before chrome was released |
| 01:42.08 | jordanm | andares: froze in aug 2008 |
| 01:42.09 | andares | because it's too new? |
| 01:42.14 | andares | oh man that's old. |
| 01:42.20 | andares | should I upgrade somehow? |
| 01:42.23 | jordanm | no |
| 01:42.27 | roe_ | squeeze is a month or two from being released |
| 01:42.32 | andares | cool beans. |
| 01:42.33 | jordanm | roe_: ha! |
| 01:42.35 | amphi | maybe ;) |
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| 01:42.39 | roe_ | (my estimation, not official) |
| 01:42.41 | nsadmin | "should I upgrade": |
| 01:42.42 | nsadmin | andares: how much crap do you want to get yourself into? :) |
| 01:42.45 | jordanm | roe_: 400 RC bugs to go |
| 01:43.07 | andares | nsadmin: depends I guess. :p |
| 01:43.07 | roe_ | jordanm, depends on how you count the bugs |
| 01:43.33 | jordanm | the tracker only counts them one way. not all are applicable, but many are |
| 01:43.37 | nsadmin | andares: you can bet on the release date... you could win... a trip for two across the street!!!!!! |
| 01:43.54 | roe_ | well... that's about it for my battery |
| 01:43.57 | andares | yaaay... wait, what? |
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| 01:58.07 | rpgdude | can anyone help me with nfs? |
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| 01:58.40 | nsadmin | dunno until you say what you want specifically |
| 01:58.41 | jordanm | rpgdude: you really need to learn to have patience. after you left earlier someone showed up to help, but you had already taken off |
| 01:58.56 | andares | hey, I had to create an xorg.conf file and now my keyboard layout isn't remembered. how should I fix this? |
| 01:59.02 | rpgdude | sorry im really frustrated |
| 01:59.05 | andares | do I need to do something to some of the hal conf files? |
| 01:59.11 | rpgdude | this has been working for months |
| 01:59.41 | rpgdude | i am unable to mount my nfs exports |
| 01:59.53 | rpgdude | it says denied by server |
| 02:00.04 | rpgdude | im pretty sure my configuration is good |
| 02:00.57 | nsadmin | the next question is why is the server denying... do you control the server? |
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| 02:01.07 | rpgdude | i think it stopped working when i updated kernel image |
| 02:01.23 | rpgdude | from security.debian.org |
| 02:01.28 | rpgdude | yeah |
| 02:01.36 | rpgdude | the server and client are in the same room |
| 02:01.43 | rpgdude | and i have root on both |
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| 02:01.52 | nsadmin | ok, so yes... |
| 02:02.08 | rpgdude | yes |
| 02:02.19 | nsadmin | and are these two machines behind a nat? |
| 02:02.53 | rpgdude | yeah |
| 02:03.02 | rpgdude | im behind the nat |
| 02:03.22 | rpgdude | its a local network |
| 02:03.50 | nsadmin | alright, so if you're like most people with your own nat, then it's one subnet likely beginning 192.168 |
| 02:04.01 | rpgdude | yeah |
| 02:04.08 | rpgdude | 192.168.1.0/24 |
| 02:04.27 | nsadmin | ok, and is there a dhcp server for machines inside the nat? |
| 02:04.47 | rpgdude | yeah both machines have ips |
| 02:04.52 | rpgdude | one is static |
| 02:04.54 | rpgdude | the server |
| 02:05.02 | rpgdude | the client gets ip from gateway |
| 02:05.05 | nsadmin | so the client is not? |
| 02:05.08 | rpgdude | 192.168.1.254 |
| 02:05.40 | nsadmin | ok, so you're saying there's a dhcp server running on the gateway |
| 02:05.45 | rpgdude | yes |
| 02:06.03 | nsadmin | ok, on the server there should be /etc/exports |
| 02:06.07 | rpgdude | yes |
| 02:06.32 | nsadmin | and could you show one of the shares that makes the server say permission denied? |
| 02:07.01 | rpgdude | /var/stuff/video 192.168.1.0/24(rw,sync,no_subtree_check) |
| 02:07.02 | rpgdude | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:07.08 | rpgdude | thats the one im trying |
| 02:07.20 | rpgdude | none of them work though |
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| 02:08.03 | nsadmin | ok, so you're using that /24 notation... and the nfs kernel server? |
| 02:08.09 | rpgdude | yeah |
| 02:08.28 | nsadmin | and that worked before |
| 02:08.31 | rpgdude | yeah |
| 02:08.54 | rpgdude | i tried using 255.255.255.0 also |
| 02:09.01 | rpgdude | didnt make a difference |
| 02:09.05 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 02:09.22 | nsadmin | as an experiment could you try the actual IP |
| 02:09.39 | rpgdude | of the client? |
| 02:09.46 | nsadmin | yes, in /etc/exports |
| 02:10.24 | nsadmin | it -may- be that the parsing of the ip has changed |
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| 02:10.40 | rpgdude | i tried it, same error |
| 02:10.52 | jordanm | i would hope not. that would be a pretty big regression for a security update |
| 02:10.57 | nsadmin | how do you go about restarting the server? |
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| 02:11.03 | megana | Hi debian |
| 02:11.11 | rpgdude | i did exportfs -ra |
| 02:11.14 | megana | http://pastebin.org/1058669 what's up with this? |
| 02:11.22 | megana | who is the patty! I don't know her |
| 02:11.25 | megana | and then my server went nuts |
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| 02:11.37 | nsadmin | pattycake?! |
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| 02:11.59 | megana | I'm using lenny, so... I feel like I should be here :P |
| 02:12.10 | megana | I am trying to figure out what happened |
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| 02:12.20 | nsadmin | ok, so sshd has accepted a passwd for patty |
| 02:12.20 | nsadmin | that |
| 02:12.29 | nsadmin | is what you're asking about |
| 02:12.29 | rpgdude | nsadmin: you think it could be a regression? |
| 02:12.32 | megana | but I did not make a user called patty |
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| 02:12.50 | nsadmin | does that user exist? you may have been compromised |
| 02:12.56 | megana | it does now |
| 02:12.58 | nsadmin | look thru your /etc/passwd |
| 02:13.03 | megana | I did, it's there |
| 02:13.22 | nsadmin | what are the 3rd and 4th columns of that user |
| 02:13.30 | jordanm | megana: if you didn't create that user, and that is not you, or any of your users logging in, then I would say you have been compromised |
| 02:13.37 | megana | patty is part of the git group |
| 02:13.56 | nsadmin | pattygit! |
| 02:14.07 | nsadmin | okok, enough sillyness |
| 02:14.10 | megana | yeah................ Did patty get into my system through git? |
| 02:14.19 | nsadmin | doubtful |
| 02:14.33 | megana | maybe patty just wanted to steal my git code? :O |
| 02:14.36 | nsadmin | but anyone who was able to add that user had to have root |
| 02:14.55 | jordanm | marshallmc: also notable is that IP is from italy, but you appear to be from the US |
| 02:15.13 | megana | yes, I sure am |
| 02:15.19 | nsadmin | dunno what patty wanted, and doubtful that the person on the other end is named patty :) |
| 02:15.21 | megana | is it my accent? |
| 02:15.29 | megana | well... what happened is |
| 02:15.32 | nsadmin | you have an accent?! |
| 02:15.40 | megana | it started sending out insane amounts of data upstream |
| 02:15.44 | marshallmc | what IP jordanm? |
| 02:15.53 | megana | kind of jamaican I guess? |
| 02:16.03 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 02:16.12 | nsadmin | hold on, was in the middle of somethign |
| 02:16.14 | jordanm | marshallmc: 84.222.233.25 |
| 02:16.27 | megana | who is this rogue MC? |
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| 02:17.53 | nsadmin | rpgdude, that restarts kernel server? |
| 02:18.08 | megana | nsadmin, do you know what to do now???? |
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| 02:18.15 | nsadmin | hold on, was in the middle of somethign |
| 02:18.20 | megana | sorry |
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| 02:18.40 | megana | I feel like I need to just hose the whole system |
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| 02:18.53 | megana | but I don't know how to keep it from happening again |
| 02:19.11 | nsadmin | if it's not a remote then you could pull it from the net |
| 02:19.14 | jordanm | megana: safest bet would be to reinstall. otherwise a) delete unknown user b) and ip via iptables c) run rkhunter d) run debsums |
| 02:19.37 | jordanm | megana: well, you will really need to figure out how it happened in the first place. disabling root login is a start to fixing it |
| 02:19.43 | megana | okay jordanm. I will do some of that stuff What is rkhunter and debsums? |
| 02:19.44 | jordanm | via ssh I mean |
| 02:20.00 | megana | okay |
| 02:20.02 | nsadmin | make sure there are no users other than root with 0:0 as 3:4 of /etc/passwd |
| 02:20.07 | jordanm | rootkit checker and debsumes compares the files provided by debian to see if they have been modified |
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| 02:20.14 | rpgdude | nsadmin: i tried restarting the server using the init script |
| 02:20.17 | rpgdude | same problem |
| 02:20.31 | nsadmin | ok, what does the server log say? |
| 02:20.47 | rpgdude | which file should i check? |
| 02:21.02 | nsadmin | start with daemon.log |
| 02:21.03 | megana | is the rootkit checker, rkhunter, in aptitude? |
| 02:21.33 | jordanm | yes |
| 02:21.34 | rpgdude | Sep 21 22:19:46 karuna mountd[23498]: authenticated mount request from 192.168.1.110:719 for /var/stuff/video (/var/stuff/video) |
| 02:21.34 | rpgdude | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:21.39 | megana | okay |
| 02:21.40 | jordanm | (you can check before asking) |
| 02:21.54 | nsadmin | authenticated? |
| 02:21.54 | megana | :P |
| 02:22.04 | megana | I feel so vulnerable ;o |
| 02:22.22 | rpgdude | nsadmin: thats what it says in the log |
| 02:22.58 | nsadmin | so the client is said to make an authenticated request... |
| 02:23.08 | nsadmin | you might want to look into how that happens |
| 02:23.20 | nsadmin | original nfs didn't have authenticated mounts |
| 02:23.29 | megana | okay, I am running rkhunter --check |
| 02:23.51 | nsadmin | pattygone? |
| 02:24.02 | megana | I deleted her, but... |
| 02:24.07 | megana | she is sneaky |
| 02:24.15 | rpgdude | i dont understand why all of a sudden its broke |
| 02:24.22 | nsadmin | oooh, pattynaughty! |
| 02:24.41 | megana | unhide has red! |
| 02:24.53 | megana | what does /usr/sbin/unhide even do?? |
| 02:25.05 | stew | what is the point of him running rkhunter when we know he was rooted? |
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| 02:25.45 | megana | I dunno stew :P I just follow orders |
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| 02:27.21 | megana | according to rkhunter there are 0 possible rootkits |
| 02:27.35 | megana | just 2 suspect files |
| 02:27.54 | nsadmin | what are they |
| 02:28.13 | stew | hah. "0 possible rootkits" |
| 02:28.37 | megana | is patty really that sly? |
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| 02:29.08 | nsadmin | so patty was in git group... what userid? |
| 02:30.07 | megana | I deleted patty, I don't know how to find out |
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| 02:30.25 | megana | she just looked like this: |
| 02:30.32 | megana | patty:x:1004:1005:,,,:/home/patty:/bin/bash |
| 02:30.54 | nsadmin | ok, userid1004 |
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| 02:31.22 | megana | what does it all mean????? |
| 02:31.48 | nsadmin | widely all-encompassing question... |
| 02:31.55 | megana | well I'm 1005 |
| 02:32.08 | megana | can't believe she beat me |
| 02:32.36 | nsadmin | and you properly own your home dir? |
| 02:32.42 | nsadmin | ls -ld ~ |
| 02:32.45 | megana | yes, I am a home owner |
| 02:32.47 | jpinx-eeepc | megana: did you disable remote root logins? and change root password to something horrible |
| 02:33.05 | megana | you can do root on ssh if you like |
| 02:33.18 | megana | but it's a horrible password |
| 02:34.10 | nsadmin | so someone guessed |
| 02:34.31 | nsadmin | you should probably run fail2ban |
| 02:34.31 | megana | as far as I know |
| 02:34.32 | jpinx-eeepc | you can edit ssh.conf to dissallow remote root login - or is it sshd.conf |
| 02:34.47 | nsadmin | probably sshd |
| 02:34.50 | nsadmin | ssh is client |
| 02:34.54 | megana | don't I have to write a bunch of regex to use fail2ban? |
| 02:35.05 | nsadmin | some are written |
| 02:35.13 | nsadmin | like for ssh |
| 02:35.20 | megana | what about vsftpd? :) |
| 02:35.23 | stew | megana: note that everyone trying to help you is also guessing |
| 02:35.26 | nsadmin | dunno |
| 02:35.27 | megana | people love to try and break in there |
| 02:35.28 | jpinx-eeepc | megana: and when did you last change root password? |
| 02:35.44 | megana | nevar |
| 02:35.50 | nsadmin | why are you running ftpd of any kind? |
| 02:35.51 | megana | it's not very old though |
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| 02:36.01 | stew | megana: if, in fact, someone compromised your system, your instinct to reinstall it is the sane thing to do |
| 02:36.01 | jpinx-eeepc | sheeeeesh -- do the basics dude ! ;) |
| 02:36.15 | megana | my basics suck :P |
| 02:36.26 | jpinx-eeepc | megana: reinstall then ;) |
| 02:36.32 | megana | I am in the clouds still trying to get the complicated stuff down first |
| 02:36.41 | nsadmin | yeah, well... |
| 02:36.58 | megana | okay... |
| 02:36.59 | nsadmin | you need to make sure to feel your feet as well |
| 02:37.37 | nsadmin | !grounding |
| 02:37.37 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on the <debian-user> mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference. Ask me about <ig>, <reference>, <refcard>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference) |
| 02:37.59 | megana | okay, so... this is what I am recommended to do: disable root over ssh, don't use ftp, install fail2ban which automagically works for ssh |
| 02:38.00 | nsadmin | !general cli tutorial |
| 02:38.00 | dpkg | http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Teaching/Unix/ or http://linuxcommand.org, http://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/manual/html_node/, http://tldp.org/LDP/GNU-Linux-Tools-Summary/html/index.html or http://bhami.com/rosetta.html |
| 02:38.28 | megana | and some other guy said to update often |
| 02:38.34 | jpinx-eeepc | you were using ftp? :/ |
| 02:38.59 | megana | how do you people get files in your computers? o_O |
| 02:38.59 | nsadmin | megana: this is another GUESS, but it looks like there wasn't much damage... but if you think there was, then you should consider reinstalling |
| 02:39.11 | stew | nsadmin: huh? |
| 02:39.11 | jordanm | megana: use apticron, and recieve an email when its time to update |
| 02:39.17 | stew | nsadmin: you looked at the machine? |
| 02:39.31 | jpinx-eeepc | he hacked in ;) |
| 02:39.37 | megana | we did rkhunter, it was very green |
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| 02:39.42 | jordanm | megana: primary way is by brute forcing ssh. followed by service exploits, such as a vulnerability in your web or ftp server |
| 02:39.50 | stew | rkhunter is a waste of time |
| 02:39.54 | megana | oh |
| 02:40.03 | jpinx-eeepc | I bet there's php in there as well ;) |
| 02:40.06 | nsadmin | stew: there are no root users, so we could probably assume the attacker was not very aggressive |
| 02:40.07 | marshallmc | use ossec |
| 02:40.15 | marshallmc | and monitor everything you can |
| 02:40.19 | stew | nsadmin: what do you mean there are no root users? |
| 02:40.21 | jordanm | or often, they will bruteforce another service, such as POP3, then use that password for ssh |
| 02:40.32 | nsadmin | none other than root itself |
| 02:40.34 | stew | nsadmin: wait, why would we assume the attcker is not very agressive? |
| 02:40.42 | megana | it seems almost like they were able to create a user called patty then rootkit from it |
| 02:40.44 | marshallmc | fail2ban |
| 02:40.48 | stew | nsadmin: root itself, which we believe the attacker used, right? |
| 02:41.03 | megana | atleast that's what the log implies |
| 02:41.03 | nsadmin | megana: grep 0:0 /etc/passwd | wc -l |
| 02:41.21 | stew | nsadmin: what is the point of that? |
| 02:41.21 | megana | I have 1! |
| 02:41.25 | jpinx-eeepc | a good hack will create the user needed and then clean up theirr entry |
| 02:41.42 | marshallmc | or use an existing user |
| 02:41.45 | stew | nsadmin: ok so they have compromised 100% of the root accounts? |
| 02:42.00 | marshallmc | should rebuild the machine if that happened... |
| 02:42.13 | megana | in patty's bash_history, she says `exit` |
| 02:42.18 | rpgdude | nsadmin: when i check the contents of /proc/fs/nfsd/exports it doesnt look right |
| 02:42.29 | jpinx-eeepc | megana: really - given your expertise - you should re-install ;) |
| 02:42.42 | megana | well it was a messy vm that became a node playground |
| 02:43.11 | megana | does anybody want to say a few words about her before I pull the plug? |
| 02:43.28 | nsadmin | do you have data you want to save? |
| 02:43.36 | megana | nope |
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| 02:43.57 | stew | megana: there is no way you can really trust much you find on that box, but you might look to see in auth.log when the patty account was created and what other things were going on when it was created |
| 02:44.02 | nsadmin | so you could wipe it clean and not worry about anything... ok, I have nothing to say then |
| 02:44.18 | megana | I did stew, http://pastebin.org/1058669 |
| 02:44.23 | megana | that's what patty did |
| 02:44.33 | stew | megana: wrong paste then |
| 02:44.36 | jpinx-eeepc | megana: as a matter of interest - what releas was it? lenny? |
| 02:44.38 | megana | I had to hard boot the vm |
| 02:44.52 | stew | megana: that shows when patty logged in, not when the patty account was created |
| 02:44.52 | megana | lenny with some squeeze stuff mixed in |
| 02:44.57 | megana | oh |
| 02:45.04 | megana | there's no other mention of patty in auth.log |
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| 02:45.34 | stew | megana: which doesn't tell us anything. since anyone with the authority to create patty also has the authority to alter the logs |
| 02:45.36 | megana | is there a user creation log? |
| 02:45.45 | stew | megana: no, it would go into auth.log |
| 02:46.04 | jordanm | any logs present could have been modified by the attacker |
| 02:46.08 | jpinx-eeepc | megana: older logs? |
| 02:46.15 | nsadmin | look at the times patty was logged in, look at all the other logs for that time, also look over what happened earlier |
| 02:46.41 | megana | no, this one is all encompassing |
| 02:46.59 | megana | there's never anything in auth.log about users being created. Even for the ones I made myself |
| 02:47.00 | nsadmin | look at the other log files |
| 02:47.11 | jpinx-eeepc | megana: this log only goes back to 21 sept- |
| 02:47.34 | jpinx-eeepc | log rotate will have gzipped older stuff |
| 02:47.34 | megana | I didn't put the whole log in there it's 500k jpinx-eeepc :) |
| 02:47.37 | nsadmin | which is... today... |
| 02:47.50 | jpinx-eeepc | yesterday for me : |
| 02:48.00 | megana | oh, yeah I have 4 auth.logs |
| 02:48.19 | nsadmin | you could decide to dig thru them |
| 02:48.20 | jordanm | megana: see: logrotate |
| 02:48.21 | jpinx-eeepc | megana: cat the log and grep it for patty and pastebin the output |
| 02:48.27 | nsadmin | again, why are you running ftpd? |
| 02:48.35 | jordanm | jpinx-eeepc: cat AND grep? |
| 02:48.42 | jpinx-eeepc | grep then |
| 02:48.58 | megana | how do I cat and grep something that has been gzed easily? |
| 02:49.08 | nsadmin | zcat? |
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| 02:49.15 | megana | zcat?? :p |
| 02:49.23 | stew | megana: zgrep patty /var/log/auth.log* |
| 02:49.25 | nsadmin | yes, zcat |
| 02:49.29 | stew | zgrep |
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| 02:49.36 | megana | I never knew about zcat |
| 02:49.49 | nsadmin | now you do, and we both know about zgrep |
| 02:50.05 | jpinx-eeepc | me too :) |
| 02:50.12 | megana | yep |
| 02:50.19 | megana | it's in the oldest log |
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| 02:50.23 | nsadmin | see... it's helpful to know the basic commands |
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| 02:50.34 | nsadmin | what is |
| 02:50.35 | nsadmin | ? |
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| 02:50.48 | megana | http://pastebin.org/1059854 |
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| 02:50.58 | megana | That's what I found for the patty grep |
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| 02:52.00 | nsadmin | so your attacker first visited you aug 24 |
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| 02:52.13 | jordanm | from puerto rico this time |
| 02:52.29 | nsadmin | world traveller :P |
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| 02:53.45 | megana | yeah |
| 02:53.55 | rpgdude | nsadmin: maybe i am using the wrong command on the client? |
| 02:53.58 | stew | megana: now you might start at the time the patty user was created and go backwards in auth.log and syslog and see who was logged in, from where, and what else might have happened |
| 02:54.05 | stew | and no, we don't know when the attacker first visited |
| 02:54.14 | megana | that's where I am now stew |
| 02:54.43 | nsadmin | rpgdude: authenticated nfs is new to me... did you ever have to have a passwd on the client sent to the server in order to mount? |
| 02:54.58 | rpgdude | no |
| 02:55.07 | rpgdude | im not entering a passwd |
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| 02:56.19 | nsadmin | ok, your next step is to find out what the options are on the server for mounting... specifically, what are the details of authenticated mounting, and then, are there other kinds of mounting besides authenticated |
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| 02:57.39 | megana | I see a bunch of failed a psswords for root |
| 02:57.58 | nsadmin | I'm going by the message you got from the server saying that an authenticated mount was requested |
| 02:58.06 | megana | over sshd |
| 02:58.16 | nsadmin | a lot of people get that |
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| 02:59.28 | megana | it's weird because it says I was logged in at the same time patty was born |
| 03:01.16 | megana | well anyways... I need to re-install |
| 03:01.58 | megana | thank you stew, nsadmin, jpinx-eeepc, jordanm, and rpgdude |
| 03:02.17 | nsadmin | be sure to install fail2ban |
| 03:02.25 | megana | yes |
| 03:02.27 | nsadmin | and pwgen |
| 03:02.32 | megana | pwgen? |
| 03:02.37 | nsadmin | look into it |
| 03:02.40 | megana | okay |
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| 03:02.52 | megana | and... does apt-get update update my software? |
| 03:03.11 | megana | or just the repository definitions |
| 03:03.11 | jpinx-eeepc | megana: use aptitude ;) |
| 03:03.12 | nsadmin | no, it just pulls in files that are lists of packages |
| 03:03.19 | megana | what's wrong with apt-get?? |
| 03:03.30 | jpinx-eeepc | !why aptitude |
| 03:03.30 | nsadmin | !why aptitude |
| 03:03.30 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). |
| 03:03.47 | megana | oh |
| 03:03.49 | megana | so... |
| 03:03.57 | megana | okay gimme the equivilents :P |
| 03:04.08 | megana | apt-get install, apt-get purge, apt-cache search |
| 03:04.19 | nsadmin | aptitude install |
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| 03:04.21 | jpinx-eeepc | install lenny and use aptitude - it's easy |
| 03:04.32 | megana | oh |
| 03:04.41 | mroe | you mean like aptitude [update|install <package>|search <package>] |
| 03:04.57 | mroe | the man page should help you more |
| 03:04.58 | nsadmin | you can either do aptitude <whatever> (similar to apt-get) or run aptitude with no parameters |
| 03:05.15 | jpinx-eeepc | megana: and please read man aptitude before you ask more ;) |
| 03:05.29 | megana | I just wanted some starting points is all. I know jpinx-eeepc |
| 03:05.30 | mroe | although that being said, I haven't found an equivalent to apt-cache policy <package> |
| 03:06.05 | megana | II think I will make a sym link to aptitude called a |
| 03:06.13 | jpinx-eeepc | mroe: aptitude does what apt-get does, not what apt-cache does ;) |
| 03:06.15 | megana | I will probably mess up typing aptitude too much |
| 03:06.24 | nsadmin | lazybones :P |
| 03:06.42 | mroe | jpinx-eeepc, well it also searches so that isn't entirely accurate. |
| 03:06.47 | jpinx-eeepc | install gnome and use synaptic from the desktop then ;) |
| 03:06.58 | megana | but this machine is headless :P |
| 03:07.11 | mroe | megana, you can also use tab completion if you are using a shell that supports it |
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| 03:07.19 | megana | that |
| 03:07.22 | megana | 's true |
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| 03:07.30 | nsadmin | on a headless machine you can install x client libs and x clients |
| 03:07.47 | jpinx-eeepc | you could even run X over ssh :D |
| 03:07.51 | nsadmin | then you run x server on a not-headless machine |
| 03:08.01 | megana | I never understood that jpinx-eeepc |
| 03:08.14 | jpinx-eeepc | will leave nsadmin to sort that out ;) |
| 03:08.16 | stew | mroe: you can get candidate in installed versions out of aptitude search, but I don't know about preferences and repositories |
| 03:08.18 | mroe | I've had to run X over ssh a few times, I don't recommend it |
| 03:08.38 | nsadmin | megana: a good read is man X |
| 03:09.03 | megana | if it's installed :P |
| 03:09.13 | jpinx-eeepc | mroe: depends on the ditance, etc . I ran x over ssh locally with good results except for gaming |
| 03:09.26 | mroe | sure |
| 03:09.33 | megana | is vnc better than ssh at this? |
| 03:09.39 | Dewi | megana: yeah |
| 03:09.40 | mroe | over a DSL line it isn't fun |
| 03:09.53 | mroe | but VNC is not secure |
| 03:10.00 | jpinx-eeepc | mroe: yea - it can be painful :) |
| 03:10.05 | Dewi | mroe: you can run VNC over ssh |
| 03:10.08 | nsadmin | megana http://www.manpagez.com/man/7/X/ |
| 03:10.19 | jpinx-eeepc | vnc over ssh will crawl..... |
| 03:10.30 | mroe | Dewi, yes, but that is important to clarify |
| 03:10.31 | Dewi | no more than VNC does generally |
| 03:10.34 | megana | ssh tunneling through 3 machines? |
| 03:10.58 | Dewi | megana: sure |
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| 03:11.02 | megana | I need to go, it's late |
| 03:11.06 | megana | thanks so much :) |
| 03:11.28 | jpinx-eeepc | it's been fun/interesting/entertaining/wierd |
| 03:11.42 | Dewi | jpinx-eeepc: ssh doesn't really add any delay if you use a fast cipher and a recent version with good buffering |
| 03:12.02 | Dewi | -c arcfour is really good for LANs |
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| 03:14.28 | rpgdude | nsadmin: do you know what package has rpcdebug? |
| 03:14.29 | allan8904 | hi, i'm currently working on a machine running debian etch. Is it normal operation for the output of dmesg to no match that of /var/log/messages in this debian distribution? or it it just unconfigured? |
| 03:14.51 | nsadmin | !find bin/rpcdebug |
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| 03:15.40 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/rpcdebug' (1): (/usr/sbin/rpcdebug) in net/nfs-common. |
| 03:15.45 | jordanm | allan8904: thats typical of linux, since dmesg is the output of /proc/kmsg and /var/log/messages is like a dump-all for syslog |
| 03:17.02 | pzn | if I have two "route add -net 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gateway a.b.c.d" one for ppp0 and other for ppp1, how can I know by which link the package is going out? |
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| 03:17.11 | jordanm | allan8904: see: man dmesg; man 3 syslog |
| 03:17.24 | jpinx-eeepc | allan8904: you might consider the fact that etcfh is not supported for security anymore |
| 03:17.35 | allan8904 | jordanm: hmm, the reason i ask is because on my desktop lenny build everything in dmesg is in my /var/log/messages. however on this machine i cant find that information unless i execute dmesg. Is there anywhere that the dmesg output is stored? |
| 03:17.44 | Dewi | pzn: if you care, use metrics to determine that |
| 03:17.55 | Dewi | pzn: otherwise I don't think it's well-defined |
| 03:18.05 | jordanm | allan8904: no, but /var/log/dmesg contains the dmesg log from booting |
| 03:18.19 | jordanm | allan8904: otherwise, its just in the kernel ring buffer |
| 03:18.22 | allan8904 | jpinx-eeepc: oh its a work machine, and i dont think i'll be allowed to upgrade it |
| 03:18.39 | allan8904 | jordanm: ok thanks for your help :) |
| 03:18.47 | jordanm | allan8904: etch is no longer supported, so upgrade is highly recommended |
| 03:19.07 | allan8904 | jordanm: haha...tell my work that :p |
| 03:19.11 | jordanm | especially if the box as the ability to reach the internet |
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| 03:19.27 | jordanm | allan8904: hehe, I think the written upgrade proposal would be your job, no? |
| 03:19.45 | allan8904 | jordanm: upgrade proposal? whats that :p |
| 03:19.50 | jpinx-eeepc | heh |
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| 03:20.14 | allan8904 | ah well, thanks for your help guys |
| 03:20.34 | jpinx-eeepc | it's like three lines saying that etch is not maintained, a security risk and the solution is a painless upgrade to lenny |
| 03:21.00 | jpinx-eeepc | Oh - and free upgrade |
| 03:21.10 | jordanm | its not painless in all environments, and sometime needs detailed planning |
| 03:21.23 | Dewi | which is how it's not free |
| 03:21.40 | Dewi | (sysadmins are not free) |
| 03:21.47 | allan8904 | jpinx-eeepc: and the fact work has the attitude of "it works at the moment...whos gonna pay for the upgrade? (in terms of staff time)" |
| 03:21.51 | jordanm | tell that to my current work |
| 03:22.12 | jordanm | labor cost = not a factor *ever* |
| 03:22.13 | jpinx-eeepc | allan8904: they'll pay ten times when your etch box is compromised |
| 03:22.19 | Dewi | jordanm: yup, I've worked it |
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| 03:22.41 | Dewi | more like 100 times |
| 03:22.50 | allan8904 | jpinx-eeepc: you're probably right, but its not connected to any network so i guess its reasonably safe |
| 03:22.57 | Dewi | stable -> stable update should not average more than a couple of hours work |
| 03:22.59 | pzn | Dewi, ok, I'll read about that metrics mean. |
| 03:23.21 | jpinx-eeepc | allan8904: you've been told - it's up to you now :) |
| 03:23.44 | allan8904 | jpinx-eeepc: thanks for the heads up...if it was my machine i'd do it in a heartbeat...but its not my machine :( |
| 03:24.06 | Dewi | allan8904: fair enough. But people need to be made aware of best practices and that you feel under-resourced to follow them |
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| 03:24.35 | Dewi | allan8904: we've all been in the same boat... |
| 03:24.47 | allan8904 | Dewi: i'll meantion it...but i dont see it happening ...untill something bad happens :p |
| 03:25.07 | allan8904 | and then i'll be listened to xD |
| 03:25.27 | Dewi | yeah. I'd recommend you get your objections in writing, except that recommendation is superceded by recommending you find a job working for professionals :) |
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| 03:26.10 | allan8904 | hahaha i hear you |
| 03:26.32 | Dewi | (I worked a job like that for 3 years. 2.5 years too long, in retrospect) |
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| 03:28.15 | atula | question: I have 2x80G and 2x1TB drives hoping to do: raid-1 for OS with the 2x80GB and an /archive with the 2x1TB drives raid-1. I would like to use LVM. How would I do this? I am at the partitioning step of the installation. I was thinking: for the 2x80GB: 2x1GB for /boot 2x 2GB for swap and the rest works as raid-1 as well to create / (LVM on this?) then the other one, I just make RAID-1 of the 2x1TB and then put LVM on top o |
| 03:28.15 | atula | that. |
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| 03:28.25 | atula | does that make any sense? thank you for the help and suggestions |
| 03:28.45 | qpt` | **** Buttch ON CHANNEL ##5709 SAYS: How rude. Faggot. |
| 03:29.32 | abrotman | moron |
| 03:29.37 | atula | :( |
| 03:29.41 | Dewi | atula: not you |
| 03:29.42 | atula | moi? |
| 03:29.45 | Dewi | atula: software raid? |
| 03:29.51 | atula | oh hehe... but I am pretty dummy ... |
| 03:29.55 | atula | yes software raid |
| 03:30.21 | atula | just want to build a home server with Raid-1 |
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| 03:32.45 | rpgdude | nsadmin: i am able to mount the nfs exports from the server |
| 03:33.05 | rpgdude | so it must be an issue with my client on this machine |
| 03:33.05 | nsadmin | you are? what did you find out? |
| 03:33.28 | nsadmin | so you're able to mount it from a different IP |
| 03:33.46 | rpgdude | on the server i did: sudo mount 192.168.1.1:/var/stuff/video mnt/ |
| 03:33.58 | rpgdude | well its the same ip |
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| 03:34.31 | rpgdude | the client works on the server |
| 03:34.42 | rpgdude | it doesnt work on my netbook |
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| 03:34.45 | johnfg | hi guys |
| 03:34.49 | nsadmin | you must have either put something in server's fstab or provided a mount point in the command |
| 03:35.10 | johnfg | Is there some special program I need to install to get lenny to recognize usb headphones? |
| 03:35.15 | atula | question: I have 2x80G and 2x1TB drives hoping to do: raid-1 for OS with the 2x80GB and an /archive with the 2x1TB drives raid-1. I would like to use LVM. How would I do this? I am at the partitioning step of the installation. I was thinking: for the 2x80GB: 2x1GB for /boot 2x 2GB for swap and the rest works as raid-1 as well to create / (LVM on this?) then the other one, I just make RAID-1 of the 2x1TB and then put LVM on top of |
| 03:35.41 | abrotman | johnfg: .26 or .32 bpo kernel ? |
| 03:36.45 | johnfg | abrotman, .26 |
| 03:36.58 | johnfg | Is .32 out? |
| 03:37.04 | abrotman | !tell johnfg about bpo |
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| 03:38.09 | johnfg | abrotman, I have bpo in my sources.list already. So is the support in the .32 kernel? |
| 03:38.21 | abrotman | it might be .. i don't know the exact device |
| 03:38.36 | abrotman | you can 'aptitude -t lenny-backports install linux-image-<your arch>' |
| 03:39.12 | johnfg | abrotman, 2.6.26-2-686 is what's installed now. |
| 03:39.17 | abrotman | so |
| 03:39.22 | abrotman | you can 'aptitude -t lenny-backports install linux-image-686' |
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| 03:40.34 | johnfg | Does that remove the current kernel or leave it as an option, kinda like fedora does? |
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| 03:41.24 | abrotman | you can have them both |
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| 03:42.43 | johnfg | abrotman, OK, thanks for the help! |
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| 03:44.57 | atula | if I have 2GB ram, how much swap should I have ? |
| 03:45.04 | atula | also, do I need 1GB for /boot ? |
| 03:45.06 | mjmt | atula: They're not related. |
| 03:45.31 | atula | mjmt: there used to be a recommendation that swap should be twice the size of ram |
| 03:45.38 | mjmt | Not like that anyway. You'll need as much swap as RAM if you plan to suspend or hibernate though. |
| 03:45.43 | atula | unless I'm mistaken... they're related in some way |
| 03:45.51 | atula | home server |
| 03:45.56 | mjmt | atula: Yes but it was only ever a rule of thumb. |
| 03:45.59 | jordanm | atula: 100-200mb should be fine for /boot |
| 03:46.53 | atula | I can put LVM on Raid-1> |
| 03:46.54 | atula | ? |
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| 03:48.55 | rpgdude | nsadmin: the nfs client on my gfs macbook works |
| 03:49.26 | rpgdude | so i think the problem is with the client on my netbook |
| 03:49.26 | mroe | ha, I tried to expand gfs, and couldn't figure out what it stood for |
| 03:49.49 | rpgdude | gf's |
| 03:50.04 | mroe | yea, I figured it out and did a facepalm |
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| 03:50.29 | rpgdude | mroe: you need to Ctrl-T your username |
| 03:50.34 | rpgdude | xD |
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| 03:51.02 | mroe | ctrl+t my username? |
| 03:51.21 | rpgdude | you dont use emacs do you? |
| 03:51.34 | mroe | on occasionj |
| 03:51.49 | rpgdude | Ctrl-T transposes 2 characters |
| 03:52.00 | rpgdude | it works in bash too |
| 03:52.12 | mroe | mreo? |
| 03:52.17 | rpgdude | more |
| 03:52.21 | mroe | ah |
| 03:52.46 | saihenjin | question: i've got a several years old PC that i want to repurpose as a file server. debian has a shell only install option right? would it be possible to have shell only, except for remote connections that can get an x server? |
| 03:53.15 | mroe | yes |
| 03:53.35 | jordanm | yep, thats called VNC, but not typical of servers to use it |
| 03:53.36 | rpgdude | nsadmin: any idea what could be wrong with my client? |
| 03:54.22 | saihenjin | well, i want to do most of the administration with SSH, but i'm not that strong with my bash skills yet, so i would want an x server available remotely for me to fall back on |
| 03:54.25 | rpgdude | saihenjin: what do you need remote x server for |
| 03:54.43 | atula | okay. I have 2x80GB... hoping to have raid-1 and lvm on it |
| 03:54.55 | atula | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:55.07 | atula | the rest, I'd like to use for LVM... but it's complaining that I can't do it without a / |
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| 03:55.56 | rpgdude | saihenjin: x server is for desktop not server |
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| 03:56.59 | saihenjin | rpgdude: i know that, but like i said, i'd like a gui of some type available in case i hit something that i don't know quite how to do in a shell. |
| 03:57.13 | saihenjin | that's also why i'd like x to not be running normally, only if i call it |
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| 03:58.11 | rpgdude | x server is a daemon it runs all the time |
| 03:58.14 | peterrooney | saihenjin: having an X server on the remote machine won't help you with that. |
| 03:58.37 | mjmt | saihenjin: You can run programs on the server and have them display on another machine. |
| 03:59.06 | rpgdude | yeah use X11Forwarding |
| 03:59.10 | saihenjin | mjmt: so i can run a graphical program and have it use the display on my desktop? |
| 03:59.19 | rpgdude | yes |
| 03:59.20 | mjmt | saihenjin: Yep. |
| 03:59.32 | saihenjin | would that work cross-platform? |
| 03:59.38 | rpgdude | yes |
| 03:59.43 | mjmt | Yeah, Mac's X11 is great for that. |
| 03:59.53 | rpgdude | what is your desktop platform? |
| 04:00.23 | saihenjin | i've got a gentoo desktop and a windows machine |
| 04:00.30 | mroe | you could play with xdmcp |
| 04:00.33 | Rusty1 | xming, putty comes to mind for win |
| 04:00.39 | rpgdude | yeah |
| 04:00.44 | saihenjin | i thought puTTy was shell only? |
| 04:01.00 | rpgdude | Xming provides the gui |
| 04:01.15 | rpgdude | putty creates the tunnel |
| 04:01.21 | saihenjin | oh xming and putty |
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| 04:01.26 | geograsX | hi |
| 04:01.33 | geograsX | problem with my e and debian |
| 04:01.39 | geograsX | just wont get on |
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| 04:01.54 | mroe | is 'e' short for something? |
| 04:02.01 | geograsX | Enlightenment |
| 04:02.08 | mroe | ah |
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| 04:02.17 | geograsX | i went to #e but nothing |
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| 04:02.20 | saihenjin | rpgdude: what would i have to have installed on the server for that to work? most of the graphical programs have X as a dependency don't they? |
| 04:02.44 | mjmt | saihenjin: X libs just like a desktop machine, but you don't need an X server. |
| 04:02.55 | saihenjin | ok cool |
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| 04:03.56 | saihenjin | that's a much better solution |
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| 04:04.30 | mjmt | And as rpgdude said, use X forwarding: (on desktop machine) ssh -X tehserver someprogram |
| 04:04.41 | rpgdude | nsadmin: Sep 22 00:04:13 eeepc kernel: [28155.394793] svc: failed to register lockdv1 RPC service (errno 13). |
| 04:05.02 | rpgdude | this is what my client says when i try to mount the nfs export |
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| 04:06.27 | saihenjin | see, this is why i like debian. i ask this at the fedora channel and they all go "oh yeah what you said will work" i ask here, and i get an improved solution. |
| 04:07.53 | peterrooney | saihenjin: well, what are you trying to do, really? how will having a remote X session on the server compensate for having not-strong bash skills? |
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| 04:09.34 | peterrooney | saihenjin: there's quite a few neat tricks that remote X allows for, but if you're looking up aptitude or bash stuff on the web, a browser on the local machine should work just as well. |
| 04:09.41 | saihenjin | it won't, really. that's true. but if i need something on the server done, and i don't know how to do it in bash, i can go and run nautilus or whatever remotely and get it taken care of, look up the right way to do it in bash later when i have the time |
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| 04:10.37 | saihenjin | also, having the ability to run a graphical program remotely would also be nice because i plan to store video and images on it, and not having to download the files onto my desktops before i can look at them would be a nice benefit |
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| 04:11.06 | tharkun | Does having a bunch of programs running on a machine would help it generate more entropy to generate a 4096 byte certificate ? |
| 04:11.46 | nsadmin | you're either postponing the enevitable, or putting it off |
| 04:11.52 | nsadmin | inev |
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| 04:12.24 | Bennij | Has anyone had any success upgrading to testing lately? |
| 04:12.27 | peterrooney | and, the bandwidth required for video over X would proably dwarf the bandwidth for downloading the video |
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| 04:12.44 | nsadmin | saihenjin, if you are in the same room with these other machine or have screaming, expensive connections, then it's feasable |
| 04:12.49 | Bennij | aptitude just uninstalls 3/4 of the system over half a dozen invocations, then finally just plain fails on a handful of packages |
| 04:13.13 | saihenjin | its on the same network |
| 04:13.38 | Bennij | It's acting like it isn't actually bothering to do dependency resolution, since the errors are always along the lines of "X depends on Y (>= 1.2.3); however, version of Y on system is 1.2.0 |
| 04:13.40 | nsadmin | Bennij: this points to something earlier. probably you're trying to run a mixed system |
| 04:14.10 | Bennij | It's a clean Lenny install on a VM |
| 04:14.23 | Bennij | With the desktop set installed, and xfce4 |
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| 04:15.42 | nsadmin | pastebin your sources.list |
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| 04:17.31 | sweetpi | !info sshfs |
| 04:17.59 | dpkg | sshfs: (filesystem client based on SSH File Transfer Protocol), section utils, is optional. Version: 2.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 39 kB, Installed size: 140 kB |
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| 04:18.00 | sweetpi | saihenjin: ^ that was for you |
| 04:18.22 | saihenjin | sshfs? |
| 04:18.42 | sweetpi | maybe you would like to mount the directories that have your images, etc in them so you can look with local apps |
| 04:19.19 | saihenjin | wouldn't samba work for that? |
| 04:19.31 | mjmt | Then why not Apache, or NFS or Samba? |
| 04:20.09 | rpgdude | maybe i can figure out my issue tomorrow |
| 04:20.14 | rpgdude | im going to bed |
| 04:20.19 | sweetpi | to each their own.. but I prefer ssh instead of samba |
| 04:20.34 | saihenjin | speaking of samba, that's a perfect example. I have no earthly clue how to set up samba through bash only. but I can do it in X. |
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| 04:21.16 | Bennij | Oh, I have some backports on this VM |
| 04:21.28 | sweetpi | I didnt even know you could set it up in X |
| 04:21.29 | Bennij | That's supposed to upgrade fine, but I'm assuming that's not true? |
| 04:21.42 | saihenjin | sweetpi: i was honestly thinking of having it just use a ftp server. but yeah, there's a graphical Samba utility |
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| 04:23.37 | geograsX | hi |
| 04:23.40 | geograsX | need help |
| 04:23.52 | geograsX | i cannot install a program |
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| 04:24.09 | sweetpi | saihenjin: I joined right before you said you wanted X forwarding to look at pictures, so Im not sure exactly what the original problem was |
| 04:24.15 | rpgdude | after rebooting my netbook, nfs works perfectly |
| 04:24.20 | geograsX | says.. always i have to run the apt-get -f install but when i do it wont do anything |
| 04:24.26 | heroxbd | a little ot: yesterday I tried to measure the voltage of USB bus using my shiny new multimeter, when the computer suddenly powered off (protection circuit?). After I power on again, the kernel cannot find PHY module on my ethernet. "dmesg | grep eth" gives "eth0: Sun GEM (PCI) 10/100/1000BaseT Ethernet 00:14:51:2a:26:64", "eth0: Found no PHY". Is it possible I burned that module just by measuring some voltage? |
| 04:24.53 | geograsX | says.. always i have to run the apt-get -f install but when i do it wont do anything |
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| 04:24.57 | heroxbd | I have to use wireless now :( |
| 04:25.07 | andares | man, debian is pretty excellent so far. :D |
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| 04:25.19 | saihenjin | i've got an old PC that i was wanting to turn into a file server and was wondering how i could have it use shell for local connections and ssh, but still have the option to access a GUI if i need to, because my bash skills are still lacking. |
| 04:25.42 | heroxbd | saihenjin: webmin? |
| 04:26.18 | saihenjin | heroxbd: i'll add it to my list of suggestions. |
| 04:26.38 | Bennij | Is there a way to replace all my lenny-backports packages with the lenny ones? |
| 04:27.05 | heroxbd | saihenjin: just learn bash, it is much more powerful than first sight. |
| 04:27.33 | saihenjin | geograsX: what error are you getting? are you running apt-get either as root or with sudo? |
| 04:28.03 | saihenjin | heroxbd: i know. i just kinda hit a wall after a while. |
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| 04:29.51 | sweetpi | saihenjin: I see, yes I would have chose X Forwarding, and if there are windows boxes on the network then I guess samba.. but I would choose either sshfs or nfs - my 2 cents |
| 04:30.21 | saihenjin | i've got a gentoo box and a windows box that need to access the files |
| 04:30.49 | Bennij | How am I supposed to dist-upgrade from lenny/lenny-backports to squeeze? |
| 04:31.12 | heroxbd | Bennij: what do you mean? |
| 04:31.35 | nsadmin | bennij, is it that you've been trying to do that? |
| 04:31.45 | saihenjin | you mean you want to run squeeze unstable? |
| 04:32.06 | nsadmin | squeeze is not unstable, it's "testing" and it's been frozen |
| 04:32.13 | Bennij | wat |
| 04:32.21 | saihenjin | i thought it was still in unstable. |
| 04:32.21 | Bennij | That's why I said squeeze, not unstable |
| 04:32.23 | jordanm | saihenjin: you can use sftp/scp for that |
| 04:32.31 | jordanm | saihenjin: unstable is always sid |
| 04:32.43 | jordanm | !unstable |
| 04:32.44 | dpkg | [unstable] The status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. Not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges (!) See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>. |
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| 04:33.02 | jordanm | thought that was an alias to to the sid factoid |
| 04:33.15 | saihenjin | i blame working with gentoo for me not knowing this. |
| 04:33.25 | Bennij | I have a handful of packages (iceweasel, openoffice.org, and... I think that's it, not the kernel for sure) installed from lenny-backports |
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| 04:33.43 | jordanm | gentoo can be blamed for lots of things :) |
| 04:33.56 | Bennij | Attempting to dist-upgrade to squeeze causes much gnashing of aptitude's teeth, the deinstallation of 3/4 of the system, and eventual unresolvable failure |
| 04:34.12 | jordanm | !tell Bennij about bat |
| 04:35.15 | Bennij | I would love to paste it, but I don't have a usable system when it finishes. I'll try, though |
| 04:35.44 | saihenjin | i don't even know why i still use gentoo for my linux desktop. emerge has gotten so monolithic. |
| 04:37.03 | andares | heroxbd: bash still isn't a very good scripting language though. |
| 04:37.10 | jordanm | !gentoosmite saihenjin |
| 04:37.10 | dpkg | spends 7 days recompiling saihenjin, and when it's all done, saihenjin runs 0.4% faster than previously |
| 04:37.44 | saihenjin | jordanm: that is... very true |
| 04:37.52 | heroxbd | andares: well the grammar is not perfect. |
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| 04:39.16 | nsadmin | better scripting languages do exist (there is at least a few thousand languages around, one must be good) |
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| 04:40.23 | saihenjin | actually, i know why i use gentoo on my desktop. gentoo and ubuntu/mint are the only two distros that liked my old sound card (no earthly idea why debian didn't like it, but ubuntu did) but i don't have that card anymore. i can probably move to debian no problem. |
| 04:40.48 | Bennij | Gah, this is absurd, what's the point of doing an in-place update if it removes all your software anyway :/ |
| 04:41.05 | nsadmin | you're trying to upgrade |
| 04:41.26 | nsadmin | you're not doing something that fits normally within a specific version of debian |
| 04:41.51 | Bennij | I thought upgrading was supposed to be one of the strong points of Debian, though |
| 04:42.05 | nsadmin | debian got bloated |
| 04:42.09 | nsadmin | what can I say |
| 04:42.12 | Dewi | er |
| 04:42.15 | Dewi | squeeze isn't released |
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| 04:42.43 | Dewi | so no, it's not one of debian's strongpoints for software with release-critical bugs to be problem-free |
| 04:42.48 | Dewi | that would make no sense |
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| 04:43.03 | heroxbd | Bennij: yes you are right. |
| 04:43.07 | nsadmin | that is a good point... you're not "upgrading" to something that is complete and has been fully tested |
| 04:43.15 | heroxbd | Bennij: It's hard to downgrade though. |
| 04:43.20 | Bennij | Yeah, that's why I was asking when I came in if anyone had been successful lately :P |
| 04:43.29 | nsadmin | downgrading is not supported, period |
| 04:43.40 | jordanm | thats whats going on? a downgrade? |
| 04:43.42 | Bennij | I was going to chalk it up to "squeeze just isn't released" |
| 04:43.44 | stew | Bennij: are you upgrading using squeeze's aptitude? |
| 04:43.49 | jordanm | I thought it was lenny->squeeze |
| 04:43.50 | heroxbd | Bennij: dist-upgrade is 99.9999% to result in a success. |
| 04:43.53 | Bennij | 00:43 < stew> Bennij: are you upgrading using squeeze's aptitude? |
| 04:43.55 | Bennij | Yep |
| 04:43.58 | jordanm | heroxbd: ha! |
| 04:44.00 | Bennij | I tried without, too |
| 04:44.02 | nsadmin | if you want to be able to downgrade, back up your entire storage |
| 04:44.07 | Bennij | I don't want to downgrade |
| 04:44.13 | Dewi | Bennij: there is a trick to it because of the udev change, which at release time will either be fixed automatically, or there will be some one-liner or something in the upgrade readme |
| 04:44.29 | Bennij | Yeah, I figured that one out |
| 04:44.29 | heroxbd | Bennij: I even dist-upgraded from sarge to lenny without a problem |
| 04:44.30 | adrakoa | it's normal, lspci without VGA like output and vgaarb: this pci device is not a vga device. And insmod nvidia.ko no such device- |
| 04:44.38 | jordanm | Dewi: it won't be "fixed", but will be documented in the upgrade documentation |
| 04:44.41 | stew | Bennij: what command are you running that is trying to remove software? |
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| 04:44.51 | Bennij | heroxbd: It depends on what you define as success; right now, my problem is that it's removing everything I've ever installed |
| 04:45.02 | Bennij | stew: aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 04:45.07 | heroxbd | Bennij: use aptitude |
| 04:45.11 | Bennij | ... |
| 04:45.14 | stew | Bennij: did you do safe-upgrade first? |
| 04:45.20 | saihenjin | Bennij: Debian thinks your program choices were crap and decided to clean up the place. it has taste. |
| 04:45.21 | Bennij | stew: Nope, should I? |
| 04:45.34 | heroxbd | Bennij: and fune tune its automatic decision. |
| 04:45.35 | Bennij | I don't think it'd even get off the ground |
| 04:45.39 | stew | Bennij: yes, you should follow, rougly, the etch->lenny procedure |
| 04:45.50 | nsadmin | so you havent' read what would become the release notes (and by the way, where are those for squeeze?) |
| 04:45.50 | stew | Bennij: see chapter 4 of the release notes |
| 04:46.05 | nsadmin | which release notes? |
| 04:46.29 | stew | !squeeze release notes |
| 04:46.29 | dpkg | A draft of the squeeze release notes can be found at http://deb.li/jUOC and will be periodically updated as the release notes are finalised. See also http://bugs.debian.org/release-notes and http://wiki.debian.org/NewInSqueeze . Also ask me about <i-g>, <install squeeze>, <firmware images>. |
| 04:46.33 | jordanm | nsadmin: there is an in-progress document up somewhere, don't have a link |
| 04:46.37 | jordanm | ah, but dpkgbot does |
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| 04:47.01 | stew | but following the etch->lenny procedure in the lenny release notes should generally work |
| 04:47.14 | Bennij | Ohhhhhh, I just figured out what was wrong with the debian-backports instructions |
| 04:47.18 | _gcr | Hello! does this channel have a transcript archive of some sort? |
| 04:47.29 | Bennij | Is says to pin lenny to 1001, it means squeeze |
| 04:47.33 | jordanm | _gcr: /topic |
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| 04:47.50 | jordanm | Bennij: there are no backports for squeeze, so no, it does not mean squeeze |
| 04:47.56 | nsadmin | bennij: so, what you should do FIRST is make sure your lenny is fully up to date |
| 04:47.58 | _gcr | oh, sorry; thanks jordanm |
| 04:48.13 | Dewi | thx stew, jordanm |
| 04:48.14 | stew | Bennij: what says that? |
| 04:48.18 | jordanm | and *really* think that part needs to be removed from the instructions |
| 04:48.24 | Bennij | 00:47 < jordanm> Bennij: there are no backports for squeeze, so no, it does not mean squeeze |
| 04:48.33 | Bennij | The sid->lenny notes say to pin lenny to 1001 |
| 04:48.38 | Bennij | Err |
| 04:48.40 | stew | Bennij: where? |
| 04:48.42 | Bennij | Whatever was before lenny |
| 04:48.42 | jpinx-eeepc | Bennij: and what's in your sources.list ? ;) |
| 04:48.56 | Bennij | 00:47 < nsadmin> bennij: so, what you should do FIRST is make sure your lenny is fully up to date |
| 04:48.59 | Bennij | Yep, it is |
| 04:49.01 | Dewi | Bennij: that's the opposite situation to backports |
| 04:49.08 | nsadmin | I asked him to pastebin his sources.list about an hour or two ago |
| 04:49.12 | stew | Bennij: no, it says to remove all pinning |
| 04:49.21 | Bennij | It... what |
| 04:49.23 | saihenjin | can i slap myself? i'm running a 32 bit OS on a 64 bit capable processor. |
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| 04:49.27 | Bennij | "If you do not use one of these exceptions, you can safely upgrade to lenny. If you use one of these exceptions, set the Pin-Priority (see apt_preferences(5)) temporarily to 1001 for all packages from lenny, and you should be able to do a safe dist-upgrade too. " |
| 04:49.29 | KB1JWQ | Hey, stew. |
| 04:49.33 | stew | KB1JWQ: hey |
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| 04:49.35 | jordanm | saihenjin: nothing wrong with that |
| 04:49.39 | stew | Bennij: which section is that? |
| 04:49.44 | Bennij | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#system-status |
| 04:49.53 | KB1JWQ | stew: Just got back from my honeymoon. Figured you might want to know. :-p |
| 04:50.28 | heroxbd | KB1JWQ: how does it feel? |
| 04:50.28 | Dewi | saihenjin: it doesn't make that much difference. I did it for ages just to avoid problems. They're pretty much ironed out now tho |
| 04:50.31 | nsadmin | tries to figure out whether that's TMI... |
| 04:50.45 | saihenjin | jordanm: let me correct that. i am running a 32 bit OS on a 64 bit capable processor because I was under the impression that my processor was not 64 bit. |
| 04:50.47 | KB1JWQ | heroxbd: Nice to be back on my continent again. :-) |
| 04:51.10 | heroxbd | KB1JWQ: How's the exploration then :P |
| 04:51.16 | jpinx-eeepc | nudges folks towards #debian-offtopic |
| 04:51.23 | stew | KB1JWQ congrats :) |
| 04:51.33 | heroxbd | jpinx-eeepc: okay. sorry man. |
| 04:51.35 | KB1JWQ | Thank you sir. |
| 04:51.37 | mjmt | Is it possible for VirtualBox or similar running on a 32-bit host, to run a 64-bit OS if the host is 64-bit capable? |
| 04:51.46 | Bennij | I do believe so |
| 04:51.47 | nsadmin | there are actually about 2 or 3 support conversations going on |
| 04:51.55 | Dewi | mjmt: dunno, but vmware can't |
| 04:52.04 | jordanm | mjmt: no |
| 04:52.16 | jordanm | similar maybe, but vbox can not |
| 04:52.19 | nsadmin | if there weren't, I'd say whatever, do what you want |
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| 04:53.00 | Dewi | mjmt: if you find an approach that's possible it'll be incredibly slow, let me put it that way |
| 04:53.04 | jordanm | would like to see more of the #d regulars in there |
| 04:53.08 | Bennij | My initial sources.list: http://pastie.org/1173806 |
| 04:53.26 | saihenjin | well, i'm more or less ready to get that server running. i just have to lug my monitor over into the other room for the initial installation. i think i'm just gonna force myself to finish learning bash. |
| 04:54.02 | Bushmills | when you "finished" learning bash, there will be a new version, with new features |
| 04:54.26 | mjmt | Damn, I can't really justify buying VMWare Workstation atm. |
| 04:54.35 | jordanm | but you ignore that exists for quite a long time.. I have not even looked into new things in bash4 |
| 04:55.04 | Bushmills | see? |
| 04:55.05 | jordanm | mjmt: how can you ever when there is vbox? |
| 04:56.41 | saihenjin | bushmills: way to make my efforts seem futile. |
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| 04:57.39 | jordanm | perhaps hes suggesting to learn POSIX shell, which rarely changes and works everywhere |
| 04:57.48 | stew | mjmt: from a 32 bit install, you could install a 64 bit kernel. once you are running a 64 bit kernel, you could create a 64 bit chroot, which could run a 64 bit vm |
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| 04:57.59 | jordanm | but some bash features are really nice, such as arrays |
| 04:58.32 | sweetpi | mjmt: virtual box, otherwise vmware player is free($) iirc it can create vms now |
| 04:59.25 | mjmt | I'm still trying to get my head around what stew just suggested. :) |
| 05:00.03 | mjmt | sweetpi: It can? Awesome. |
| 05:00.57 | saihenjin | jordanm: i don't think i'd want to learn POSIX at this point. Besides, I like the idea of something that's always changing and being improved. |
| 05:01.07 | saihenjin | even if it does mean i'll never finish learning |
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| 05:03.24 | andares | hey, how do I make lenny read an ext4 filesystem? |
| 05:03.29 | atula | why does my md says resync=PENDING ? should it just build automatically? this is after booting into os for the first time |
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| 05:05.23 | sweetpi | andares: http://wiki.debian.org/Ext4 |
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| 05:06.15 | Dewi | sweetpi / mjmt : don't think so. vmware server is the free ($) one that can |
| 05:06.52 | andares | sweetpi: so my only option is to use ext4dev? |
| 05:07.16 | mjmt | VMware Player [...] Easy Install makes creating virtual machines [...] easier than installing them directly on your PC |
| 05:07.16 | Dewi | andares: or a kernel from backports? |
| 05:07.29 | andares | backports? |
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| 05:07.46 | Dewi | andares: http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/linux-image-2.6-486 |
| 05:08.00 | Dewi | andares: (choose variant for your architecture, obv) |
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| 05:08.45 | sweetpi | Dewi / mjmt: vmware player v3 rc added creation support |
| 05:08.52 | Dewi | mjmt: ah k, v3 lifted that limitation. thanks sweetpi |
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| 05:09.36 | Dewi | might have to give that a try. I usually use server but player would certainly be better for graphical type things |
| 05:09.50 | mjmt | Just wish there were clearer info on 32/64-bit host/guest combinations. :\ |
| 05:09.52 | andares | Dewi: so I just install this kernel with dpkg or something and it works? |
| 05:10.16 | Bennij | I could have sworn 64-bit guest on 32-bit host was one of the major features of all of the virtualization packages a year or so ago |
| 05:10.23 | Bennij | * major new |
| 05:10.25 | atula | how do I force a synching of raid devices when I see syncing=PENDING ? |
| 05:10.53 | Dewi | andares: it's a proper repo with debian keys and everything, you enable it and use aptitude |
| 05:11.22 | Bennij | And add the pinning to get your security updates |
| 05:12.14 | andares | I'm not sure how to do any of that yet (I just installed Debian a couple hours ago.) is there a good overview of Debian's package management system somewhere? |
| 05:12.29 | Dewi | andares: obviously less well tested than 'debian stable', but next best thing |
| 05:12.44 | andares | well, debian stable is like two years old. |
| 05:12.46 | Dewi | andares: http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
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| 05:13.04 | jordanm | andares: yes. have a look at the package management section of the debian reference |
| 05:13.08 | jordanm | !reference |
| 05:13.09 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. The latest version (v2) is at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ . Read it after installing Debian and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install this too, the package name is debian-reference: 'aptitude install debian-reference' |
| 05:13.12 | andares | how do you guys patch exploits in the kernel then, if you're using such an old kernel as stable? |
| 05:13.28 | jordanm | andares: security patches are backported to .26 |
| 05:13.32 | Dewi | andares: they are backported and provided on the debian-security repo (enabled by default) |
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| 05:13.40 | andares | ah, cool. |
| 05:14.06 | Dewi | andares: doesn't happen by default on backports tho unless you do the pinning thing mentioned on that page |
| 05:14.22 | kurtis | Hey guys, I'm running gnome. What's a nice, lightweight editor that would have some features for Java like syntax highlighting? (Not console-based) |
| 05:14.32 | jordanm | !emacs |
| 05:14.33 | dpkg | Emacs is the extensible macro editor that is already quite extensively extended. A popular editor choice with major and minor modes for almost every conceivable language and task. High priests of emacs have even been known to use emacs as their shell, and sometimes have whole systems with init=/usr/bin/emacs. [Escape Meta Alt Control Shift] http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs http://emacswiki.org/ #emacs on irc.freenode.net. |
| 05:14.44 | andares | !vim |
| 05:14.45 | dpkg | [vim] Vi IMproved, an enhanced <vi> editor. Extremely popular clone with syntax highlighting and graphical X interface available. vim-tiny package no longer installs vim <alternatives> as of 2:7.2.049-1 (Debian bug #529977). See also <vim refcard>, <cream>, <colored pager>, <vim syntax highlighting>. http://www.vim.org/ http://vim.wikia.com/ #vim on irc.freenode.net. |
| 05:14.55 | andares | O:) |
| 05:15.01 | jordanm | vim would be console-based |
| 05:15.02 | kurtis | thanks guys but i want a GUI-based editor. |
| 05:15.07 | andares | !gvim |
| 05:15.07 | dpkg | gvim: see vim-gtk |
| 05:15.07 | Dewi | jordanm: tsk tsk |
| 05:15.10 | jordanm | kurtis: emacs is a gui editor |
| 05:15.10 | Bennij | They both have GUIs |
| 05:15.16 | Dewi | jordanm: they are both equally console based |
| 05:15.30 | Bennij | But if you mean with a normal GUI text-editing widget, you might want gedit |
| 05:15.30 | andares | kurtis: you might like Eclipse, but it's not really lightweight. |
| 05:15.45 | atula | how do I force a synching of raid devices when I see syncing=PENDING ? |
| 05:15.48 | kurtis | andares: Yeah I've used Eclipse and NetBeans. I was hoping for something lighter, equivelant to notepad++ on Windows |
| 05:15.49 | jordanm | Dewi: you have to explicitly tell emacs not to be a GUI. vim requires a 3rd party package to make it a gui. I disagree |
| 05:15.50 | atula | resync=PENDING |
| 05:15.56 | sweetpi | "not really" is an understatement |
| 05:15.56 | jordanm | Dewi: emacs -nw |
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| 05:16.06 | Dewi | jordanm: it's not third party at all |
| 05:16.41 | Dewi | jordanm: invocation differences are hardly relevant since it makes the launchers in your window manager for you |
| 05:16.51 | kurtis | I Know Vi and Emacs can be made to run in a GUI but they are still a little too keyboard-oriented (command-wise) for me. I'm not trying to be picky though, just lookin for a good suggestion :) |
| 05:17.07 | andares | kurtis: I'd say gedit then, like Bennij suggested. |
| 05:17.08 | Bennij | I'd say gedit, if all you want is text editing and syntax highlighting |
| 05:17.34 | kurtis | cool I'll use that then. Thanks guys :) I didn't realize it has highlighting |
| 05:17.35 | Dewi | kurtis: there's a java one called jedit that is good. not packaged in debian tho |
| 05:17.58 | kurtis | Dewi: ahh okay maybe I'll give that a look-over too. But GEdit is nice already. I jsut didn't realize it had more features |
| 05:18.26 | kurtis | Thanks everyone for the solutions. I hope I didn't start any editor wars :) |
| 05:18.35 | kurtis | suggestions* |
| 05:18.37 | jordanm | Dewi: I see, it does come from the same source package |
| 05:18.44 | jordanm | !start an editor war |
| 05:18.45 | dpkg | zile users need to get a life! |
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| 05:19.33 | Dewi | jordanm: admittedly my main bias comes from it working natively in windows many years before emacs did. I must learn emacs some day... |
| 05:19.51 | andares | I like that command. :p |
| 05:20.21 | jordanm | they are really dated though |
| 05:20.41 | sedulous | jedit is actually packaged in debian, Dewi |
| 05:20.54 | jordanm | Dewi: IMO basic vim knowledge is important. you can get by without knowing emacs at all, so really, you don't have to |
| 05:21.06 | sedulous | at least in squeeze & sid |
| 05:21.18 | Dewi | sedulous: oh, yeah, got added in squeeze. cool. |
| 05:23.45 | sweetpi | jordanm: but its so much fun to watch an unfamiliar user get stuck inside vim(paper bag) |
| 05:24.40 | andares | hm, actually, question. |
| 05:25.04 | andares | not trying to start an editor war, but I recently switched to the dvorak layout, and I was wondering what editor would work best with that. |
| 05:25.08 | andares | (like vim or emacs) |
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| 05:25.26 | Bennij | They almost certainly both have dvorak plugins |
| 05:25.41 | Bennij | The main thing to learn with vim would be whatever they replace hjkl with |
| 05:26.11 | andares | or I mean, I could use the arrow keys, though I don't really like doing so. |
| 05:26.14 | Bennij | emacs doesn't really have anything that's based on keyboard layout, IIRC, and vim really only has hjkl, though in both some things make more sense based on proximity to related keys |
| 05:26.42 | Dewi | I've used vim forever and never really gotten out of the arrow key habit, cause it works basically everywhere |
| 05:27.07 | Dewi | but as Bennij says, remapping those 4 keys will be trivial |
| 05:27.45 | Bennij | In other news, I'll just wait until squeeze is actually released before trying further to upgrade to testing. I was hoping to install Lenny on a server now and use this as upgrade practice, but I can wait on it until release |
| 05:28.36 | kurtis | Why isn't Nano popular when people suggest shell-based terminals? |
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| 05:28.48 | Bennij | nano's pretty weak feature-wise |
| 05:28.57 | stew | its the default in debian these days |
| 05:29.29 | Dewi | nano applies silly wrapping by default |
| 05:29.36 | Dewi | so I don't consider it a true editor |
| 05:29.39 | kurtis | hmm I had no idea |
| 05:29.41 | jordanm | its easy and decent enough for simple edits. |
| 05:29.46 | Dewi | nano -w |
| 05:29.48 | kurtis | I like Nano. But my first editor was Edit in MSDOS ... soo |
| 05:29.51 | jordanm | has been burned by nano wordwrap before |
| 05:29.58 | jpinx-eeepc | me too |
| 05:30.11 | jordanm | many users stop getting email! |
| 05:30.15 | Dewi | haha, I just got trapped in X emacs |
| 05:30.17 | stew | actually wow, as of this month, i've been using emacs for 20 years |
| 05:30.25 | kurtis | stew: nice! |
| 05:30.27 | Dewi | took me ages to figure out the menus were right-click |
| 05:31.00 | Dewi | how does vim get the reputation for unintuitive controls when emacs makes left-click do nothing on menus? :P |
| 05:31.09 | jordanm | stew: I did see you were using gnus.. something I really need to dig into again one day |
| 05:31.24 | stew | jordanm: i'm not. i'm using notmuch |
| 05:31.55 | jordanm | oh, I see, my plugin displays the same image for both... |
| 05:32.00 | Dewi | jordanm: read that as "guns" |
| 05:32.15 | stew | jordanm: but uh, where did you see this? |
| 05:32.30 | stew | looks over my shoulder for a jordanm |
| 05:32.47 | stew | !notmuch |
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| 05:33.15 | kurtis | I hate bouncing between 5 different programming languages in two quarters at school :( I keep mixing up my code |
| 05:33.39 | jordanm | stew: debian-newmaint@l.d.o ... I have a icedove plugin that displays images for the user-agent of the sender |
| 05:34.27 | stew | dpkg: notmuch is a tag based email system with frontends in emacs and vim. it stores tags in xapian. see http://notmuchmail.org/ |
| 05:34.27 | dpkg | stew: okay |
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| 05:35.16 | stew | oh, right i got suckered into writing to a mailing list :) |
| 05:35.26 | jordanm | hehe :) |
| 05:36.23 | kurtis | Is there an easy way to change my java path system-wide? If not, where it the system path generated during startup so I can change it? |
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| 05:37.19 | jordanm | kurtis: looking for update-java-alternatives? |
| 05:37.55 | stew | kurtis: what do you mean by java path? do you mean classpath? |
| 05:38.39 | kurtis | strew: Umm actually I probably need to update my classpath as well. I just installed the JDK manually (extracted and moved to /usr/share/jdk1... I want to use the offical JVM as well as Javac |
| 05:39.12 | Dewi | kurtis: sun jdk is packaged these days |
| 05:39.27 | andares | I have the feeling that I'm missing a lot of packages, somehow. |
| 05:39.28 | kurtis | Dewi: When I ran it, it just extracted it to my download directory. |
| 05:39.37 | andares | like I'm unable to find thunderbird nor eclipse. |
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| 05:39.52 | kurtis | andares: Did you upgrade or change your respositories? |
| 05:40.01 | andares | kurtis: no, but I just installed. |
| 05:40.12 | stew | andares: thunderbird is renmaed icedove in debian |
| 05:40.28 | andares | is it unbranded that way or something? |
| 05:40.36 | stew | eclipse should be readily available though |
| 05:40.37 | stew | andares: yes |
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| 05:40.41 | Dewi | kurtis: no, I mean you can avoid the downloaded package by adding 'contribs' repos and using aptitude with 'sun-java6-jdk' and 'sun-java6-jre' |
| 05:40.58 | kurtis | Dewi: ahh okay! I didn't realize it was in Deb's repository. Thanks! |
| 05:40.58 | Dewi | kurtis: it will integrate into debian more easily |
| 05:41.01 | andares | stew: is eclipse maybe in some kind of repo that I'm unaware of? |
| 05:41.14 | stew | andares: no, its in the main debian repository |
| 05:41.27 | jordanm | ,versions eclipse |
| 05:41.28 | stew | andares: can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy" in a pastebin |
| 05:41.28 | judd | Package eclipse on i386 -- etch: 3.2.1-4; squeeze: 3.5.2-6squeeze1; sid: 3.5.2-7 |
| 05:41.29 | Dewi | kurtis: sorry it's non-free rather than contribs |
| 05:41.36 | Dewi | kurtis: but yeah, in d3ebian now |
| 05:41.38 | jordanm | looks like it missed lenny |
| 05:41.43 | stew | andares: oh, uh ignore me, its not in lenny |
| 05:41.48 | kurtis | no problem I have all of those added already anyways. Thanks :) |
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| 05:42.05 | jordanm | andares: I would actually get that from upstream, but that will also mean support must come from upstream as well |
| 05:42.17 | kurtis | O |
| 05:42.19 | jordanm | installs fairly easily to your homedir IIRC |
| 05:42.19 | kurtis | , rimmomg sqieeze jere |
| 05:42.24 | kurtis | I'm running squeeze here |
| 05:42.25 | stew | kurtis: if you stick to the debian packages, you can switch between jvms/jdks using the update-java-alternatives command |
| 05:42.26 | Dewi | eclipse runs completely from your homedir, yeah |
| 05:42.46 | kurtis | stew: ahh okay. When I install this via aptitude, will it use the newest one automatically? |
| 05:42.48 | Dewi | so you don't have to mess around with trying to integrate it |
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| 05:43.03 | andares | stew: what? why isn't it in lenny? |
| 05:43.08 | Dewi | kurtis: java5 and java6 are in named packages |
| 05:43.10 | andares | and can I upgrade to somethig that has it? |
| 05:43.14 | andares | *something |
| 05:43.20 | Dewi | kurtis: I think 'java' goes to a gnu version rather than either of them |
| 05:43.43 | kurtis | Dewi: all righty. So just use that update-java-alternatives if I want to use Sun's version? |
| 05:44.11 | Dewi | kurtis: so you'll wanna specify a full name rather than a metapackage if you wanna use sun. Sun and gnu can coexist and you switch using alternatives yeah |
| 05:44.26 | stew | andares: according to http://packages.qa.debian.org/e/eclipse/news/20091017T164017Z.html it was removed from lenny before release because of bugs: 542977,521312,507536,511713,515747,526225,538871 |
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| 05:45.33 | andares | stew: huh. so what should I do? |
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| 05:45.48 | andares | also isn't eclipse a pretty important package to just drop? |
| 05:45.53 | Dewi | andares: you can just unzip and run from your homedir |
| 05:46.06 | Dewi | andares: for windows it doesn't even *have* an installer |
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| 05:46.18 | andares | I suppose so. |
| 05:46.36 | andares | I'm just used to the package manager providing everything for me. :'( |
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| 05:47.33 | stew | andares: see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=574356 |
| 05:47.49 | mjmt | Dewi: Better to install under /opt. User doesn't need to write to it (e.g. plugins downloaded by Eclipse go under ~/.eclipse/...). |
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| 05:49.16 | andares | actually yeah, /opt is a great idea. |
| 05:49.30 | mjmt | andares: Want a .desktop file and icon? |
| 05:49.56 | andares | mjmt: thanks, but I plan on switching to a pretty minimalistic window manager soon. |
| 05:51.03 | andares | huh, eclipse doesn't like gcj and apparently it threw an out of memory error. |
| 05:51.45 | jordanm | andares: yep, you will want sun java, or atleast openjdk |
| 05:52.05 | jordanm | andares: make sure to use update-java-alternatives after installing a new java |
| 05:52.08 | andares | yeah, getting sun-java6-jre. |
| 05:52.15 | andares | cool, thanks for the tip. |
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| 05:56.51 | andares | jordanm: sorry for so many questions, but how do I switch over to using sun-jdk after I install it? |
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| 05:57.19 | jordanm | andares: update-java-alternatives --config java-6-sun |
| 05:58.03 | andares | er, there's no --config option. |
| 05:58.16 | jordanm | --set |
| 05:58.42 | andares | cool, thanks. |
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| 06:04.07 | Dewi | mjmt: yeah I put a lot of me-only stuff in /opt |
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| 06:08.08 | mjmt | Dewi: Sarcasm? |
| 06:08.24 | Dewi | mjmt: nope |
| 06:10.06 | mjmt | My rationale is, Eclipse at least at one stage wouldn't use ~/.eclipse unless its install dir wasn't writable by the user. I like to be able to nuke what's under ~/.eclipse/ or /opt/eclipse/ at will. |
| 06:11.24 | Dewi | mjmt: yeah, my point was just that it's one of the few large complex pieces of software that runs fine self-contained in a single dir |
| 06:11.45 | Dewi | (as unsettling as that probably is to unix purists :) |
| 06:12.40 | mjmt | Dewi: Ah right, what /opt is supposed to be for. :) |
| 06:15.17 | nsadmin | optional software |
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| 06:29.56 | joshb | hi, my #debian on hp pavilion ze2000 hangs on first software installation |
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| 06:30.26 | joshb | 'Select and install software' '[91%]' Running post-installation trigger man-db |
| 06:30.38 | joshb | I can access several text consoles |
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| 06:31.54 | joshb | Lenny 5.0.6 (6xCD) |
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| 06:34.56 | ChristianCabizza | hi there people. After my last upgrade to 2.6.32-5 Kernel (Debian testing AMD64), I can't load my partitions and the boot regularly fails. What in particular fails is the process to find by uuid my partitions. I don't know if it can be a hardware problem or really the last upgrade. Now, my question in particular is: can I do something by grub-command line or (initramfs) mode? Or I need a live distro??? |
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| 06:37.50 | jpinx-eeepc | ChristianCabizza: that might be something to do with udev rules |
| 06:38.32 | ChristianCabizza | jpinx-eeepc: I don't know how and where start to solve my problem... any suggestion??? |
| 06:38.37 | joshb | Anyone an idea what i should do ? kill a certain install process ? |
| 06:38.44 | jpinx-eeepc | google udev rules ;) |
| 06:39.32 | jpinx-eeepc | joshb: what command did you use to install ? |
| 06:39.49 | joshb | boot CD |
| 06:39.59 | joshb | non-graphical install |
| 06:40.04 | ChristianCabizza | jpinx-eeepc: sure... but now I can't access any file on my disk... Nedd I a live distro? |
| 06:40.20 | joshb | thanks for your interest, jpinx-eeepc |
| 06:40.26 | streuner | ChristianCabizza: isnt there another kernel installed? |
| 06:40.53 | joshb | i see /usr/bin/dpkg running, but if i kill it the system probably ends up broken |
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| 06:41.11 | jpinx-ee1pc | joshb: is that a CD of the installer? Or what ? |
| 06:41.45 | joshb | it is a 6 x CD set, CD boots itself (from www.dddi.nl) |
| 06:41.53 | joshb | I mean the CDs are from dddi.nl |
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| 06:42.00 | ChristianCabizza | streuner: Yep... but when I try to start it I receive the same error... I can't access any conf file cause I can't found partitions. |
| 06:42.01 | streuner | ChristianCabizza: if not, just use a LIVE CD and chroot it, install an old kernel then |
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| 06:43.18 | streuner | ChristianCabizza: wait, you cannot see any partitions, they still exist (fdisk -l), right? |
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| 06:45.34 | joshb | "/bin/she -e /var/lib/dpkg/info/man-db.postinst trigger" is also running (13962 root 3860 S /bin/sh -e...) |
| 06:45.43 | joshb | */bin/sh |
| 06:46.21 | joshb | looks like it is hung on that one |
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| 06:46.58 | jpinx-eeepc | joshb: I am not sure, but I'd say that cd is not so good ;) |
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| 06:47.08 | jpinx-eeepc | did you try a netinstall? |
| 06:48.46 | joshb | haven't, it would surprise me if the CD is bad, they have been making CDs for a long time always good |
| 06:50.03 | jpinx-eeepc | !netinstall |
| 06:50.03 | dpkg | well, netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 06:50.13 | jpinx-eeepc | joshb: ^^ |
| 06:50.15 | ChristianCabizza | streuner: can I see it by initramfs mode? |
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| 06:50.38 | joshb | ok thanks |
| 06:51.16 | joshb | i guess i kill man-db.* then and hope for the best |
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| 06:52.24 | streuner | ChristianCabizza: where is the *OLD* kernel, still installed? |
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| 06:53.44 | ChristianCabizza | streuner: under the directory /boot I remember |
| 06:54.18 | streuner | ChristianCabizza: so just use a LIVE CD and chroot it, fix it then |
| 06:55.05 | ChristianCabizza | do you know how can I find the right uuid for each partition? |
| 06:55.19 | streuner | why uuid? |
| 06:55.28 | streuner | ChristianCabizza: do you use ubuntu? |
| 06:55.45 | ChristianCabizza | streuner: Debian testing AMD64 |
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| 06:55.50 | streuner | !uuid |
| 06:55.50 | dpkg | [uuid] Universally Unique IDentifier, used to reference disk partitions (among other things). See currently known partition UUIDs with `blkid'. In /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. Helps to cope with device name changes such as hda->sda (<libata> transition) or changes in USB disk order discovery. <LVM> tools accept PV/VG/LV UUIDs as arguments, use {pv,vg,lv}display to acquire. |
| 06:55.58 | philthno2 | I want to make /etc and /var a "tmpfs" and mount / readonly. So at one point, I need to copy files from e.g. /skeletons/{etc,var} to /var and /etc, before the first process attempts to write or read from/to /var and /etc. Does someone know a clue I have to look for or in which shell script something like that may take place? |
| 06:56.16 | streuner | ChristianCabizza: see what the bot (dpkg) told you about ^^^^ |
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| 06:57.30 | ChristianCabizza | I see... but what can I do if blkid is not in my tools? Which live distro do you suggest? |
| 06:58.04 | streuner | well, you should be able to install one package in modern LIVE CDs |
| 06:58.20 | streuner | there is knoppix or grml |
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| 06:58.42 | streuner | besides of about 1000 others |
| 06:59.01 | ChristianCabizza | even the netinst cd for debian? |
| 06:59.01 | streuner | grml is debian based, so knoppix |
| 06:59.29 | streuner | nah, netinst is a CD for installing, it has only a few tools... |
| 06:59.36 | ChristianCabizza | good |
| 06:59.54 | streuner | !find blkid |
| 06:59.56 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'blkid' (2): libblkid-dev ;; libblkid1. |
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| 07:01.15 | streuner | util-linux should be in both, knoppix or grml, i guess |
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| 07:01.42 | streuner | util-linux: /sbin/blkid |
| 07:01.42 | streuner | util-linux: /usr/share/man/man8/blkid.8.gz |
| 07:02.20 | streuner | Priority: required ... |
| 07:02.25 | ChristianCabizza | so in that way I can discover true UUIDs? |
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| 07:10.06 | alcy | folks, any suggestions for easy (easiest ? ) documentation writing tools ? |
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| 07:13.20 | mjmt | alcy: I assume you don't want Openoffice, so... Lyx? |
| 07:13.32 | mjmt | It's a frontend to Latex. |
| 07:14.41 | alcy | mjmt: cool, thanks will check it out. this is primarily for writing docs about in house tools/tricks etc. |
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| 07:15.19 | mjmt | Sounds like something a wiki would be good for. |
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| 07:16.34 | alcy | yeah, well, just trying out things. and damn, lyx needs to grab 485 mb of packages. |
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| 07:18.30 | mjmt | alcy: Yeah it'll pull in all of Latex. But OpenOffice is just as bad if not worse. |
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| 07:19.34 | mjmt | I think I have more versions of python than I need and possibly an extra JRE because of OO. |
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| 07:22.43 | edakiri | How can I shut down a specific established TCP connection? Can that be done to files or file descriptors? |
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| 07:23.36 | dimir | edakiri: find out what is listening to it and kill the process? |
| 07:23.56 | edakiri | I wish to keep the process alive |
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| 07:24.16 | dimir | Well, don't think it's that easy then. |
| 07:24.39 | dimir | It should be basically supported by the listening process, if I understand correctly. |
| 07:25.10 | llutz | edakiri: "cutter" can do |
| 07:25.27 | edakiri | looks at cutter |
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| 07:25.49 | boos | hi to all, what is the debian way to handle netfilter/iptables ? |
| 07:26.45 | boos | by /etc/networking ? |
| 07:27.24 | dimir | edakiri: oh right, you can control that from iptables. Just find out the source ip and disallow it to communicate to that specific port. |
| 07:28.23 | edakiri | Cutter is looking like the best option so far, it tells both ends to shut down. |
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| 07:40.39 | joshb | i redid install, chose only 'base system' looking at login :) |
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| 08:08.56 | filipncs | What should I expect to be able to get through lenny-backports? Is there any documentation about it? |
| 08:09.16 | filipncs | I'm trying to get an idea of when postgresql 9 might be available |
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| 08:10.19 | edakiri | filipncs: you can download the Package list file |
| 08:10.33 | Nuxro | filipncs: i don't think you will see this available for lenny, but postgresql 9 is in testing, you could grab the package from there |
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| 08:11.03 | filipncs | edakiri: Right, well it isn't available there yet. Just trying to get a feel for if I should even expect it. |
| 08:11.06 | claint | i thought postgresql 9 was in sid, not in testing. |
| 08:11.41 | claint | so i would wait for it to make it to testing first. |
| 08:11.45 | edakiri | filipncs: I think the answer is "no, unless you wish to package and add it" |
| 08:12.01 | filipncs | edakiri: Thank you. |
| 08:12.16 | filipncs | claint: yeah, only in unstable so far, http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=postgresql-9.0 |
| 08:12.17 | Nuxro | claint: ops, yes, it's in unstable |
| 08:12.33 | edakiri | filipncs: you have better chances with squeeze or sid/unstable |
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| 08:15.00 | Nuxro | squeeze is frozen.. so it won't make it in there either |
| 08:15.10 | Nuxro | maybe in squeeze backports |
| 08:15.32 | filipncs | Yeah, squeeze backports seems the most likely |
| 08:15.34 | filipncs | thanks all |
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| 08:15.42 | claint | or compile from source. |
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| 08:16.52 | AlexC_ | morning |
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| 08:17.58 | AlexC_ | regarding Backports and pinning; I have installed 'prodosy' from Debian Lenny repos (read, not backports). I've just added in the pinning for Backports into /etc/apt/preferences and done 'apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade'. However, it now says the package 'prosody' has been kept back. I assume it tried to upgrade to the Backport version; which is not what I want. How can I pin for only packages I have installed from Backports? |
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| 08:22.29 | claint | AlexC_: since I only keep a few packages from backports, I pin on the package name for a specific version (from backports), and with a high priority. |
| 08:22.47 | AlexC_ | claint: is there a way to see what I have installed from backports? |
| 08:23.18 | claint | AlexC_: probably |
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| 08:26.06 | claint | aptitude search '~S ~i ~Abackports' |
| 08:26.23 | claint | maybe that, I am not sure. |
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| 08:27.52 | AlexC_ | does the trick :) |
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| 08:32.56 | ReadPlease | Can I use apt-get install to install multiple collections at once? For example apt-get install gcc, autoconf, bison, gcc-doc |
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| 08:34.10 | Argafal | ReadPlease: you can install multiple packages at once, just put them whitespace separated behind apt-get install |
| 08:34.10 | claint | if you use aptitude, which is better for dependancy stuff anyway, you can |
| 08:34.23 | Argafal | claint: you can't if you use apt-get? |
| 08:35.02 | claint | Argafal: i never use apt-get, so I wouldn't know. |
| 08:35.15 | claint | man page says package though. |
| 08:35.17 | Argafal | i'm pretty sure it works with aptitude and apt-get |
| 08:35.21 | claint | ok then. |
| 08:35.28 | ReadPlease | k |
| 08:35.35 | Argafal | though it's been a while that i used apt-get. a long while. |
| 08:35.37 | claint | i'll just be the aptitude advocate :p |
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| 08:39.45 | ReadPlease | is it possible to force ctrl+left to go back one whole word in cli? |
| 08:39.53 | ReadPlease | and ctrl+right to go forward one whole word? |
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| 08:40.55 | claint | ReadPlease: probably. but in the meantime you can use alt-f for forward and alt-b for back, if you are in bash , and the bash's default emacs mode. |
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| 08:41.07 | ReadPlease | Nice. |
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| 08:46.53 | Argafal | I <3 bash |
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| 08:51.57 | bolt | in my current font, <3 really looks like a couple of balls hanging under a roof |
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| 08:52.26 | liable | roof to the toyshop |
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| 08:53.04 | liable | i dunno if anyone would get that, i think its an aussie euphamism |
| 08:53.45 | Agiofws | hello |
| 08:53.53 | claint | i think it might have been an ambismiley to begin with. |
| 08:53.59 | Agiofws | to upgrade to squeeze do i have to change my repos ? |
| 08:54.12 | Agiofws | isn't an apt-get upgrade enough ? |
| 08:54.29 | liable | of course you have to edit sources.list |
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| 08:55.22 | Agiofws | will this crash my system ? |
| 08:55.32 | Agiofws | if i mix lenny with squeeze ? |
| 08:55.33 | liable | huh? |
| 08:55.39 | Agiofws | break |
| 08:55.43 | liable | maybe |
| 08:55.49 | liable | its not released yet so.. |
| 08:56.13 | claint | !tell lenny->squeeze |
| 08:56.22 | amphi | Agiofws: mixing branches will often lead to weeping & wailing & gnashing of teeth |
| 08:56.23 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell Agiofws about lenny->squeeze |
| 08:56.30 | claint | i always forget the format of bots. |
| 08:56.45 | jpinx-eeepc | Agiofws: you are asking for trouble ;) |
| 08:57.13 | liable | its not even frozen yet is it? |
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| 08:57.21 | claint | it is frozen now |
| 08:57.40 | claint | since mid august or something |
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| 08:58.06 | thnee | anybody have any experience with keepalived? i thought i had confed it right, but the interface never gets the VIP.. |
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| 09:04.32 | joshb | On Sarge after X in text-console if you touched the mousepad all input froze shut, Lenny doesn't do that (hp pavilion laptop ze2000) |
| 09:05.57 | AlexC_ | Sarge? Ouch |
| 09:07.03 | jpinx-eeepc | Eeeewwww! |
| 09:07.19 | joshb | LX-something desctop looks nice |
| 09:07.20 | jpinx-eeepc | joshb: you might consider upgrading? |
| 09:07.27 | jpinx-eeepc | lxde |
| 09:07.30 | joshb | just did |
| 09:08.31 | joshb | why do i'net browsers constantly change names |
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| 09:10.07 | liable | to confuse the noobs |
| 09:10.39 | joshb | k, galeon kept its name, so that must be the good one then hehe |
| 09:11.53 | joshb | i thought things went past ed(1) to entice the noobs ? |
| 09:11.57 | claint | internet explorer kept its name for all the "different" browsers MS did, so I wouldn't take that as an attribute of quality |
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| 09:14.02 | joshb | Installing packages & stuff is basically time-wasted for ppl with something to do i guess, ideally it is one button & its over. |
| 09:14.29 | liable | how do you decide whats in the one button for every nerd out there? :P |
| 09:15.14 | joshb | the nerds double click it |
| 09:15.57 | joshb | Things look very sharp with debian, virtually a one button install. |
| 09:15.57 | liable | the installer can install whichever desktop you like which is close enough |
| 09:16.41 | joshb | Indeed, this is easily good enough now. |
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| 09:21.47 | joshb | After the revolution we'll break up the M$ cartel, advocate Deb/GNU/Linux and all govs and unis will use it, then it is a matter of years imho. |
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| 09:25.31 | claint | who is we? |
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| 09:26.58 | joshb | we'll have to wait & see |
| 09:27.46 | mjmt | joshb: Yes then we'll all go back to our gingerbread houses on lollypop lane. And boot GNU/Hurd. |
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| 09:28.21 | llutz | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:28.45 | philthno2 | mjmt, and in the garden we find that one: http://djangopony.com/ |
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| 09:31.31 | joshb | Actually we'd be running democratic state system support software of all kinds. |
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| 09:32.47 | pif | hi, anyone using dm-crypt to protect your systems? |
| 09:32.57 | pif | or another crypto utility? |
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| 09:36.05 | joshb-lenny | ping |
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| 09:41.16 | xyan | judd: pciid 8086:3b2d |
| 09:41.17 | judd | [8086:3b2d] is '5 Series/3400 Series Chipset 2 port SATA IDE Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'ata_piix' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:3b2d |
| 09:41.23 | xyan | judd: pciid 8086:3b2e |
| 09:41.24 | judd | [8086:3b2e] is '5 Series/3400 Series Chipset 4 port SATA IDE Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'ata_piix' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:3b2e |
| 09:41.50 | liable | xyan: you can msg the bot |
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| 09:48.04 | AlexC_ | I'm trying to setup ACL within Lenny, though there seems to be little docs for it. I'm getting 'Operation not supported' which from what I see, is due to missing 'acl' mount option. However 'mount' complains that 'acl' is not a valid option |
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| 09:50.34 | fake51 | anyone with experience of sendmail? I'm trying to stop sendmail from accepting email to info@something.dk - the sendmail instance is running on something.dk but the mail server for something.dk is mail.something.dk (MX record setup correctly) |
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| 09:51.30 | AlexC_ | fake51: so you want everyone to email info@mail.something.dk? |
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| 09:52.36 | AlexC_ | fake51: your question doesn't really make a lot of sense. If you mean you can connect on port 25 to something.dk and mail.something.dk - then these will need to have different A records and make your mailserver listen only on the IP address for mail.something.dk |
| 09:52.56 | fake51 | AlexC_, the mail server is on an entirely different machine |
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| 09:53.02 | fake51 | the MX record points to that only |
| 09:53.10 | AlexC_ | fake51: right, so what exactly is your issue? |
| 09:53.24 | fake51 | the problem is the machine at something.dk tries to email info@something.dk and thinks it's a local address |
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| 09:53.45 | fake51 | I'd love to convince it otherwise, so it forwards the email to mail.something.dk, the actual mail server |
| 09:54.07 | alankin | Hi all. Is doing an offline (apt-get update) as easy as doing the command (apt-get update) on a machine with internet and then just copying /var/lib/apt/lists/ from the online computer to the offline computer? |
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| 09:57.11 | claint | alankin: assuming you have the same distro and the same files, maybe. but you still need the packages as well for the upgrade, and they are in /var/apt/cache. |
| 09:57.34 | claint | sorry /var/cache/apt |
| 09:57.48 | D4rKr0W | fake51: remove the domain from /etc/postfix/working/domains |
| 09:58.02 | D4rKr0W | and frum /etc/postfix/domains and run |
| 09:58.20 | fake51 | D4rKr0W, not running postfix, running sendmail |
| 09:58.20 | D4rKr0W | postmap /etc/postfix/domains and then postfix reload |
| 09:58.44 | D4rKr0W | ohshi thats right |
| 09:58.46 | AlexC_ | D4rKr0W: btw, just saying edit the file means nothing in Postfix - that file is setup for what Postfix config option? ;) |
| 09:58.48 | fake51 | thanks though |
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| 09:58.54 | alankin | claint: Yeah same distro Lenny running on a home PC, and Lenny on VMWARE Player in the office. Thanks. |
| 09:59.04 | mjmt | My /etc/postfix/ setup is nothing like that. |
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| 09:59.34 | claint | alankin: /var/cache/apt/archives to be specific, that is where the .deb packages go. |
| 09:59.37 | D4rKr0W | mjmt: i might be wrong on that but it worked for me, even though i use a software to manage postfix |
| 09:59.38 | AlexC_ | mjmt: my point exactly =3 |
| 10:00.39 | fake51 | I see in the sendmail config that it should be accepting email for anything listed in /etc/mail/local-host-names - however, that only holds 'localhost' not something.dk |
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| 10:01.11 | AlexC_ | fake51: hostname -f |
| 10:01.11 | D4rKr0W | check the hostname of the machine then |
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| 10:01.45 | fake51 | hostname reports the domain as something.dk |
| 10:02.08 | fake51 | any chance I can get sendmail to ignore that, so it checks the MX record for something.dk instead? |
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| 10:03.20 | AlexC_ | fake51: you may have better luck in #sendmail |
| 10:03.35 | fake51 | AlexC_, trying atm, it's fairly dead |
| 10:03.53 | jimcooncat | fake51: why not change the hostname of that machine? |
| 10:03.55 | fake51 | weird thing is the server did not have this problem until I changed the Dj setting in sendmail.cf |
| 10:04.19 | fake51 | jimcooncat, because the server is something.dk |
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| 10:04.48 | fake51 | I might be a total newbie, just figured that the hostname should match what the machine is |
| 10:05.09 | jimcooncat | fake51: server for what? not your mail. for a web server? |
| 10:05.18 | fake51 | yeah, web server |
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| 10:05.48 | AlexC_ | does Lenny have support for ACL by default? |
| 10:06.08 | jimcooncat | fake51: then rename and have your web server still accept for that domain |
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| 10:06.57 | fake51 | jimcooncat, I'll try that. Another thing though - is there a cache for lookups that sendmail uses? I haven't changed the hostname, but previously sendmail sent the emails out properly |
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| 10:08.35 | hanibanaa | hi, how can I find last application/process accessed a specific file? |
| 10:08.44 | hanibanaa | is it possibe? |
| 10:09.11 | jimcooncat | fake51: I don't think so unless you have a caching nameserver in the loop like dnsmasq |
| 10:10.26 | jimcooncat | fake51: another option is to put a .forward in all your local accounts on that machine |
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| 10:11.12 | fake51 | jimcooncat, yeah, but a) the account doesn't exist, and b) even if it did I would still have to persuade sendmail to not accept email for something.dk |
| 10:11.20 | deever | hi |
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| 10:13.03 | jimcooncat | fake51: there's something missing here. you should be only having an issue with local mail on that particular machine. Other machines on your lan should be looking up the mx record. |
| 10:13.07 | fake51 | jimcooncat, no luck changing hostname |
| 10:13.14 | deever | what's the easiest way to build a new version of a packaged software? i.e. if i want to create a v2.4.23 deb for slapd, what is the easiest way? |
| 10:13.19 | fake51 | jimcooncat, that's exactly the thing |
| 10:13.30 | fake51 | other machines have no problem, they lookup the proper MX |
| 10:14.00 | jimcooncat | fake51: are you running an internal dns? or have old hosts entries on your other machines? |
| 10:14.01 | fake51 | but the machine named something.dk (now nic.something.dk) still thinks info@something.dk is local |
| 10:14.21 | fake51 | jimcooncat, I don't see dnsmasq or named/bind running on the machine |
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| 10:14.47 | jimcooncat | fake51: that's your gateway for your lan also? |
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| 10:15.01 | fake51 | nslookup for something.dk (type mx) returns mail.something.dk |
| 10:15.08 | fake51 | jimcooncat, no it's a vps |
| 10:15.33 | fake51 | and the nameserver is external, so there shouldn't be a problem with that |
| 10:16.09 | jimcooncat | fake51: I guess we |
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| 10:16.28 | jimcooncat | fake51: we're back to sendmail configuration then |
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| 10:16.49 | claint | hanibanaa: it should be possible but not easy. filesystems don't hold that info. |
| 10:17.14 | fake51 | jimcooncat, yeah looking at that |
| 10:17.39 | jimcooncat | fake51: I had to draw a big map on my wall to figure my own out |
| 10:18.01 | fake51 | jimcooncat, I'd kill to be able to just install postfix/exim - those I can figure out |
| 10:18.15 | fake51 | sendmail makes no sense to me whatsoever |
| 10:19.36 | claint | deever: maybe check out Debian New Maintainer's Guide. easy way would be to get the debian source package with all the debian packaging stuff in, upstream the source code, and then just rebuild the package the debian way. |
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| 10:20.17 | jimcooncat | fake51: until you're able to, maybe there's a simple way to redirect all incoming mail to your mail server |
| 10:20.55 | fake51 | jimcooncat, problem is the web server trying to send mail that *should* go mail.something.dk but which is handled locally on something.dk |
| 10:21.12 | fake51 | all external, incoming email is going correctly to mail.something.dk |
| 10:21.59 | fake51 | i.e. web server tries to send email to info@something.dk, sendmail has a look at the domain (I presume), then determines that this is local, then looks up info, determines the user doesn't exist, fail |
| 10:23.13 | llutz | fake51: there is no local mail-delivery on the web-server? just use a nullmailer then, forwarding all mails to mail.something.dk |
| 10:23.18 | jimcooncat | fake51: Is the only user sending mail on that machine your web server account? |
| 10:23.30 | fake51 | jimcooncat, yes |
| 10:23.34 | fake51 | llutz, how? |
| 10:23.40 | llutz | !nullmailer |
| 10:23.40 | dpkg | somebody said nullmailer was a minimal <MTA> for hosts which just sends directly to smart relays, packaged for Debian. Does not support /etc/aliases; define a catch-all alias in /etc/nullmailer/adminaddr instead, see adminaddr(5). http://untroubled.org/nullmailer/ See also <ssmtp>. |
| 10:23.47 | llutz | fake51: ^^ |
| 10:23.49 | jimcooncat | then what llutz said |
| 10:23.51 | fake51 | thanks |
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| 10:24.11 | llutz | no need to use a monster like sendmail then |
| 10:24.14 | fake51 | hmmm, would like to still receive emails to root on the localhost - is that an option with nullmailer |
| 10:24.29 | fake51 | i.e. any massive fails -> email postmaster/root@localhost |
| 10:24.53 | fake51 | llutz, I didn't install the thing (if I had, I'd consider jumping off a cliff by now) |
| 10:25.37 | jimcooncat | fake51: then address it that way, root@localhost |
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| 10:37.35 | Karen_m | ,versions nginx |
| 10:37.37 | judd | Package nginx on i386 -- etch: 0.4.13-2+etch3; etch-security: 0.4.13-2+etch3; etch-backports: 0.5.35-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 0.6.32-3+lenny3; lenny-security: 0.6.32-3+lenny3; lenny-backports: 0.7.65-2~bpo50+1; sid: 0.7.67-3; squeeze: 0.7.67-3 |
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| 10:50.40 | deever | claint: i didn't succeed with the guide...uupdate said "cannot read archive file", etc |
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| 10:51.57 | deever | i'd really only need to change the version number (from 2.4.21 to 2.4.23), nothing more! ;) |
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| 10:52.20 | cheche | xml editor for debian? |
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| 10:53.29 | deever | cheche: no, an ldap server! ;) |
| 10:54.34 | cheche | deever: ? I am looking for a xml editor that comes standard on debian |
| 10:54.46 | cheche | I am using xml copy editor |
| 10:54.47 | stew | deever: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 10:54.59 | cheche | but I wonder if that is what everyon is using on debian |
| 10:55.14 | stew | uses emacs |
| 10:55.21 | deever | uses vim |
| 10:55.23 | deever | ;) |
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| 10:56.13 | cheche | learning emacs is for me like trying to loose wheight, you want to do it, but never find the right time. |
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| 10:56.39 | stew | its the opposite for me. emacs is like eating |
| 10:56.49 | deever | cheche: seriously, i don't know any debian-specific XML editors... |
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| 10:57.18 | AlexC_ | I recall being able to change the location of all dot files in a users ~/, what program was it that allowed this change? |
| 10:58.07 | claint | AlexC_: for me it is "ln -s" |
| 10:58.13 | stew | cheche: have you tried "apt-cache search 'xml editor'" ? |
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| 11:01.13 | cheche | shit...what i did was to run aptitude and then search using editor |
| 11:01.49 | cheche | so only xmlcopyeditor was found as it was the name of the package |
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| 11:05.12 | stew | cheche: if you are in aptitude, you could search for ~dxml.editor |
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| 11:05.55 | stew | or ?description("xml editor") |
| 11:06.22 | abrotman | wonders if stew is still up or not gone to bed yet |
| 11:06.40 | stew | woke up late today |
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| 11:07.02 | stew | as did the baby! |
| 11:07.05 | abrotman | yay! |
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| 11:08.38 | amee2k | wtf. i just got a SMART warning notification for a hard drive that doesn't exist |
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| 11:09.23 | amee2k | Device: /dev/sdc, 2 Offline uncorrectable sectors << i don't have that device, and all drives in my system are accounted for as other device names. so where did that warning come from? |
| 11:09.29 | abrotman | amee2k: cd drive? |
| 11:09.41 | amee2k | optical is hdb |
| 11:09.44 | claint | stew: baby has lower runlevel. |
| 11:10.24 | amee2k | i've got hda as ide hard drive, and hdb as ide cdrom, and sda and sdb as sata drives |
| 11:10.53 | deever | arg! http://pastebin.com/vE3w1YqQ |
| 11:10.53 | amee2k | and a temporarily connected drive on sata that for some reason shows up as sdd |
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| 11:11.38 | amee2k | and other than piles of smart errors i can't find /anything/ about sdc in my syslog |
| 11:12.03 | deever | can i somehow make dpkg-* diplay the options it had passed to ./configure on success? |
| 11:12.35 | amee2k | wtf |
| 11:12.52 | amee2k | abrotman: i think i found it. could it be that the error is from my USB card reader?! |
| 11:13.09 | amee2k | sudo smartctl -i /dev/sdc -> Device: Generic Storage Device Version: 0.00 |
| 11:13.21 | amee2k | thats how my card reader shows up in nautilus when i don't have a card in it |
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| 11:13.56 | abrotman | yay! |
| 11:14.23 | amee2k | i'm wondering though why it starts throwing smart errors out of the blue |
| 11:15.25 | amee2k | i don't even have a card in it, and didn't touch it since last night |
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| 11:15.40 | amee2k | and its fucking spamming me with smart errors |
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| 11:51.16 | akfaew | i would like to log to irc each packet updated/installed/removed by apt-get. how can this be done? will a wrapper for dpkg do the job? |
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| 11:52.28 | nsadmin | there may be a log generated by dpkg you can parse |
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| 11:53.32 | akfaew | nsadmin: oh, thanks, thats perfect |
| 11:56.37 | abrotman | akfaew: /var/log/dpkg.log or /var/log/aptitude if you use aptitude |
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| 12:23.56 | mns | Is there a simple photo/video gallery application ? I like jigl, igal2, etc. but they do not support movies, only photographs. |
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| 12:29.01 | Gerben | Hello. I have a question, I am writing internal procedures for managing updates for our Windows ( about 5 ), Debian ( About 8-9 but growing ) and CentOS ( About 1200 ) servers. I found 'spacewalk' for CentOS, WSUS for Windows. |
| 12:29.27 | iceroot | Gerben: maybe have a look at opsi |
| 12:29.43 | Gerben | Does Debian have some sort of update management system, where I can monitor/see which servers have which package versions. Place them in test/production etc. |
| 12:29.49 | Gerben | iceroot - I'll have a look |
| 12:30.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | shouldn't fai/puppet/cfengine/allthosethings do that? |
| 12:30.07 | iceroot | Gerben: opsi.org its not in debian by default |
| 12:30.15 | Gerben | is a Client Management System for Windows clients based on Linux servers. |
| 12:30.24 | Gerben | I don't need something for Windows clients |
| 12:30.33 | Gerben | I need something for the servers |
| 12:31.07 | Gerben | Well, the Windows clients is a seperate project actually, but now I remember, I already found opsi for that (somewhere documented in our internal wiki system) |
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| 12:39.57 | DaveWM | how do i set it up so when i run konsole from kde it doesnt process .bashrc, or.. is there some other place that i can execute commands when i login to console that won't get processed when i start konsole from kde ? |
| 12:40.14 | DaveWM | i have startx in my .bashrc, whever i run konsole from kde, it attempts to startx again i guess |
| 12:40.54 | Raven007 | Gerben: puppet's (?) facter |
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| 12:49.17 | nsadmin | DaveWM: one possibility you might consider... get rid of startx in .bashrc |
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| 12:50.16 | DaveWM | nsadmin: i got it solved, put startx in .bash_profile instead |
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| 12:53.16 | nsadmin | DaveWM: so when you ssh in... startx... |
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| 12:54.04 | nsadmin | when you ssh in a few times... startx startx startx... |
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| 13:04.39 | Gerben | Raven007: I'd have to implement my own facts for that in Ruby I think. Not hiding my laziness, there is nothing that I can just install and test... I have already written a small script some weeks ago that logs in using a SSH key, does a dpkg -l, parses the output, and puts that in a database. |
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| 13:05.33 | Gerben | As my (primary) task is being a webdeveloper ( I do some admin tasks as projects ), I figure I could just extend that script and build a web frontend for it. |
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| 13:12.28 | DaveWM | good point nsadmin , i'll figure that out when i get there, i'm sure there's some way i can get around it |
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| 13:18.09 | nsadmin | youre trying to get around typing seven chars :) well howbout this... |
| 13:18.45 | nsadmin | in .bash_profile (which only runs as login shell), you check $TERM |
| 13:18.54 | nsadmin | if it's "linux" |
| 13:19.00 | nsadmin | THEN run startx |
| 13:19.27 | nsadmin | here's the case "neglected" by that... |
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| 13:20.11 | nsadmin | you're at another place, someone's got a linux box, not running x, and you decide to remotely log in... |
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| 13:20.52 | nsadmin | so somehow you would check for the local text console |
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| 13:28.44 | sepi | I have installed wmctrl-1.07-6 on debian sid and wmctrl -l list all the windows in my X11. When I fetch the sources from the wmctrl website (also 1.07) and build it, I only get an incomplete list. Bug #445076 describes what I mean. Does anyone know what could cause this behaviour? |
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| 13:32.01 | jordanm | sepi: if the debian version works and the upstream version does not, I would say you need to ask upstream |
| 13:32.26 | jordanm | sepi: you can look at the patches applied by the debian package, which is quite easy if it uses source format 3.0 (quilt) |
| 13:32.57 | sepi | jordanm: where can I find those patches? |
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| 13:33.32 | sepi | jordanm: I also had the idea that something with my build process might break it |
| 13:33.49 | helo | pmount autocomplete is pretty nice... |
| 13:34.04 | helo | no more dmesg tailing, at least |
| 13:34.23 | helo | someone deserves a cookie |
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| 13:35.45 | sepi | jordanm: or how can I find out how the package was built? |
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| 13:37.02 | sepi | jordanm: I think I found it wmctrl_1.07-6.diff.gz... |
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| 13:38.08 | Raven007 | DaveWM: you can just use kdm/gdm for "auto startx" |
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| 13:44.02 | DaveWM | Raven007 i like my console login |
| 13:44.31 | jordanm | sepi: apt-get source <package> |
| 13:44.44 | Raven007 | so what's about "startx" in rc/profile? |
| 13:45.20 | DaveWM | right now i'm not worried about it, this is working fine in .bash_profile |
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| 13:45.38 | DaveWM | also checking for an instance of xinit before running it |
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| 13:45.52 | DaveWM | i don't think i'll be ssh'ing into that account anyway |
| 13:45.54 | jordanm | still will be a problem if he logs in via ssh |
| 13:45.58 | tox2ik | hello there happy folk |
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| 13:50.17 | philthno2 | Hi, I want root to be read-only and therefore my plan is to make "prototype" etc and var and during boot process, create etc and var as tmpfs and copy all files from my prototype there and mount these directories as /etc and /tmp. Where in the boot process should I place a script to acomplish that? |
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| 13:50.44 | philthno2 | (I hope this was understandable and not too weird ;) ) |
| 13:53.32 | Raven007 | philthno2: separate partitions, fstab, mount options? |
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| 13:53.47 | pl0x | !pastebin |
| 13:53.47 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 13:53.58 | Raven007 | i mean, separate partitions defined in fstab for /root, /var/, etc |
| 13:54.26 | pl0x | http://paste.debian.net/91030/ << error with apt-get update |
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| 13:54.38 | philthno2 | Raven, but every change in /etc should be "forgotten" that's why I thought about keeping it in a tmpfs and copy files there during startup |
| 13:55.12 | granquet | I'm trying out apt-pinning ... and I'm experiencing problems, I need EXACTLY one package from stable while building a testing environment. I tried doing http://paste.pocoo.org/show/265729/ and it pulls rpm from stable, but it seems it also pulls for example belocs-locales-bin from the stable tree since it doesn't exist in the testing tree : how can I forbids apt to pick from the stable tree? |
| 13:55.34 | philthno2 | Raven007, or is this not necessary? It should be a system that always boots, no matter if cleanly shut down or some such |
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| 13:55.47 | Raven007 | pl0x: http://www.debian.org/volatile/ |
| 13:56.52 | Raven007 | philthno2: keep /etc (base) in (let's say) /var/etc |
| 13:56.55 | pl0x | so what i do lol |
| 13:57.08 | Raven007 | and mount-bind it on each startup from there |
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| 13:58.54 | Raven007 | oh, wait :) |
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| 13:59.02 | Raven007 | that's not a solution |
| 13:59.13 | Raven007 | only if you mount it RO |
| 13:59.27 | Raven007 | still, it's wrong |
| 13:59.37 | Raven007 | since you can mount /etc RO in the first place |
| 13:59.37 | philthno2 | Raven007, and that's not possible with etc and var I think (ro) |
| 13:59.53 | jordanm | var is not ro |
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| 14:00.11 | stew | granquet: ping stable < 0 |
| 14:00.19 | philthno2 | jordanm, I ment: var has to be writable |
| 14:00.25 | stew | granquet: you might read "man apt_preferences" |
| 14:00.37 | Raven007 | check this for an ideea : cdrom mounted iso files -> etc (and other RO "dirs" you might want) |
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| 14:01.00 | granquet | stew: aah, it's in there :) I had only sparse docs on the web about priorities ... I was about to complain of the lack of doc :o |
| 14:01.06 | granquet | stew: thx |
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| 14:01.44 | jordanm | granquet: I would expect that to also be covered in the reference manual, which is a good place to start looking for that kind of info |
| 14:01.49 | jordanm | !tell granquet about reference |
| 14:02.40 | philthno2 | Raven007, I think my idea is not too bad, only I don't know in which file I could place a script that does things like that |
| 14:02.41 | granquet | jordanm: a quick search in the page doesn't yeld a thing for pin it seems |
| 14:02.47 | Mr_Queue | There is a package that compliments mutt which will strip the last few lines from mailing lists, ie To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST@lists.debian.org etc. However the package name eludes me. Any idea? |
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| 14:03.26 | jollyroger | I don't know if this is possible but just theoretically: use some stacking FS over read-only /etc (for example AUFS) |
| 14:03.29 | granquet | jordanm: hmm no, actually there's table 2.18 and around about it :) |
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| 14:03.42 | stew | granquet: jordanm: in 2.7.3 it tells you to rean man 5 apt_preferences |
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| 14:04.10 | stew | it tells you what priorities get assingned by default, but not what they mean |
| 14:05.23 | johnfg | Just saw something in installing 2.6.32 with the disk uuids. Maybe that will take care of the grub2 problem, eh? |
| 14:05.49 | philthno2 | jollyroger, this looks promising. With that, I could have / both read-only and "virtually" writable maybe |
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| 14:08.14 | johnfg | OK, time to reboot and see how 2.6.32 does. |
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| 14:09.23 | Innocentus | hi |
| 14:09.28 | Innocentus | anyone time for me? |
| 14:09.36 | Innocentus | I think / fear I have got an intrusion... :( |
| 14:11.09 | rvalles | what makes you think so? |
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| 14:11.41 | Innocentus | rvalles: look in #postfix |
| 14:11.41 | helo | < Innocentus> this guy busted down my door and is pointing a gun at me! |
| 14:11.56 | Innocentus | I have got a spam mail from myself :/ |
| 14:12.22 | helo | that is probably just a forged from: field from a spammer who harvested your email |
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| 14:12.47 | helo | look at the full header to verify that it came from some shady server, and not your own |
| 14:13.29 | Innocentus | ok |
| 14:13.32 | Innocentus | this could be probably |
| 14:13.34 | Innocentus | thank you |
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| 14:14.04 | jordanm | !open relay |
| 14:14.05 | dpkg | rumour has it, open relay is a promiscuous mail server (MTA) which accepts messages from anyone, for anyone, and relays them. Used by spammers to amplify their own bandwidth. Running an open relay is *bad* and you will be blacklisted. To test for open relay you can use http://www.abuse.net/relay.html |
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| 14:14.17 | Innocentus | very good |
| 14:14.19 | Innocentus | thank you |
| 14:14.29 | jordanm | np |
| 14:14.52 | jordanm | Innocentus: if it does turn out to be a spoofed From: field, I suggest implementing SPF |
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| 14:15.32 | www | hi there |
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| 14:16.40 | www | question: how can i return to a stable version of lenny if accidentaly some packages were upgraded to squeeze |
| 14:16.52 | jordanm | !downgrade |
| 14:16.52 | dpkg | [downgrade] Downgrading is not possible with apt-get/aptitude and no future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 14:17.16 | jpinx-eeepc | www: depends on the packages |
| 14:17.53 | Raven007 | philthno2: use /etc/init.d/skeleton to come up with your own "service". you can then set it up to start whenever you want it (rcS, lets say) |
| 14:18.17 | www | the problem is that i don't know what packages were upgraded because some times i run apt-get autoremove |
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| 14:18.59 | jpinx-eeepc | www: you need someone who really knows aptitude to tell you the syntax for identifying what packages came from where |
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| 14:19.17 | stew | www: you can use apt-show-versions to identify packages that need to be downgraded. then downgrade them by hand. the maintainer scripts don't support downgrading, so you are going to have to read the maintainer scripts for each pacakge and figure out what needs to be done by hand (to config files, for instance). |
| 14:19.26 | philthno2 | Raven007, tank you! |
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| 14:19.43 | ttiicc | Im about to buy this rack-server 'HP ProLiant DL120 G5 Intel Pentium E2160' does anyone know if debian support it's hardware? |
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| 14:20.04 | stew | www: some packages might not be possible to cleanly downgrade. some new binaries might upgrade databases, for instance, which can't be easily reverted |
| 14:20.05 | nsadmin | ask the vendor |
| 14:20.24 | nsadmin | tell the vendor you require debian |
| 14:20.58 | jordanm | I have never seen vendors like HP say they support debian. most (all?) HP poliants will support RHEL and should work just as good in debian, although a backports kernel may be needed |
| 14:21.35 | stew | ttiicc: i'd guess it has bnx2 ethernet which requires firmware not in debian, which means you may need firmware on a thumb drive or something in order to get it on the netowrk. but i'm completely guessing, we'd need to know more specifically about your hardware |
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| 14:22.11 | jordanm | the kmuto installer comes with the firmware |
| 14:22.28 | jordanm | would like to see official backports installer like kmuto become official with backports |
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| 14:22.48 | stew | i'd not like to see that happen |
| 14:22.49 | ttiicc | they write it supports Suse linux 10.0 and Red hat enterprise linux but nothing aboiut debian |
| 14:22.58 | stew | ttiicc: what ethernet card does it have? |
| 14:22.59 | granquet | I think I didn't understood something with pinning *again* , http://paste.pocoo.org/show/265744/ I can't seem to install the package rpm now. |
| 14:23.25 | www | stew: thank you 4 the tips |
| 14:23.28 | stew | granquet: do you get an error? what? can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy rpm"? |
| 14:24.00 | jordanm | -10 priority? |
| 14:24.12 | granquet | stew: sure http://paste.pocoo.org/show/265747/ |
| 14:24.28 | ttiicc | ethernet card= HP NC105i |
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| 14:25.22 | stew | hmm |
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| 14:25.47 | stew | granquet: i might be misleading you. I was hoping that the more specific pin on the package would override the pin on the release |
| 14:25.55 | asaleem_ | which package provides file /etc/shadow? |
| 14:26.01 | stew | jordanm: he wants the 1001 priority ONLY on rpm, then wants the rest of stable uninstallable |
| 14:26.03 | granquet | stew: it's also what I understood by reading the doc :-/ |
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| 14:26.16 | philthno2 | ahm Raven007 ... how can I place a script in /etc when this should not be mounted? |
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| 14:28.24 | Raven007 | philthno2: place it in /etc/ before taking the "snapshot" of the /etc to be mounted RO |
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| 14:30.26 | DaveWM | ok, the startx in the .bash_profile, if i do end up using ssh, i just added an if statement so it won't run if there's an instance of xinit, or if $SSH_CLIENT is set |
| 14:30.27 | ttiicc | can't someone answer if Im able to run debian on 'HP ProLiant DL120 G5 Intel Pentium E2160' ? the ethernet card on the server is HP NC105i |
| 14:30.35 | DaveWM | so its future ready for me i suppose, lol |
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| 14:31.27 | stew | DaveWM: startx in .bash_profile? that sounds odd |
| 14:32.22 | mns | startx should just be run as a seperate command when and if needed. should never be part of .bash_profile/.bashrc/.bash_login or any other shell setup script. |
| 14:32.43 | DaveWM | i never read that rule |
| 14:33.12 | stew | DaveWM: what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 14:33.26 | DaveWM | i don't like login managers, sometimes i just wanna boot the system and login to the console |
| 14:33.32 | DaveWM | like for root stuff |
| 14:33.42 | DaveWM | but if i login as that particular user, it'll go ahead and startx |
| 14:33.46 | DaveWM | makes sense to me anyway |
| 14:34.03 | mns | DaveWM: that's what I do, I login to the console and type in startx. sometimes I don't because I want to work as root |
| 14:34.14 | philthno2 | Raven007, so in a script in rcS.d: mv /etc /etc.old, create /etc as tmpfs, copy files from /etc.old to /etc |
| 14:34.16 | granquet | DaveWM: bash_profile gets executed everytime you start xterm ... |
| 14:34.21 | mns | I don't use XDM/GDM/KDM/Slim, etc. |
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| 14:34.54 | DaveWM | i'm checking for an instance of xinit and for SSH_CLIENT, so it won't run when xterm gets started |
| 14:35.04 | DaveWM | for any console under the desktop environment |
| 14:35.07 | Raven007 | philthno2: btw, why do you need that? |
| 14:35.47 | Raven007 | i mean : to what end? |
| 14:35.58 | guest | i'm having trouble with a dvd device in my toshiba laptop... it has never given trouble until now. eject says >>>eject: unable to find or open device for: `/dev/hdc' |
| 14:36.13 | guest | thoughts ? |
| 14:36.16 | philthno2 | Raven007, because I have an embedded system that is only connected to a button, a printer and a screen and should do a very simple task BUT ALWAYS BOOT no matter how often on- and off switch are operated and so on :) |
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| 14:36.44 | philthno2 | so: no changes to the state the system was delivered |
| 14:37.42 | Raven007 | philthno2: so, can you just make the sys boot from a cd/dvd that has $everything already setuped? |
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| 14:38.17 | philthno2 | Raven007, or in my case a flashdisk, yes, that was the best. |
| 14:38.18 | guest | also k3b failed to burn on a 'non-responcive' device... which alerted me to the fact that something was amiss, so any tests tricks or other thoughts on the matter? |
| 14:38.24 | karlpinc | DaveWM: That's what ctrl-alt-f1 is for. YMMV. |
| 14:39.09 | philthno2 | Raven007, but I thought "my way" would be similar to a livecd in some way |
| 14:39.21 | Raven007 | philthno2: did your flash thinggie has a RO flip-switch ? :) |
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| 14:39.50 | Raven007 | philthno2: that was my point also |
| 14:39.58 | Raven007 | install/configure everything |
| 14:39.59 | karlpinc | philthno2: Why not just mount read-only? |
| 14:40.06 | Raven007 | and make a "live cd" from it |
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| 14:40.17 | iman | i can't install debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso in vmware or virtual box, do you suggest any virtual machine ? |
| 14:40.27 | philthno2 | Raven007, and even if it had: /etc and /var are the problem. I tired to simply mount root ro, but then the system does not start because some processes will try to write /var or some such |
| 14:40.46 | Javert | iman, it should work |
| 14:40.55 | granquet | stew: FYI, I solved my problem by pinning to package versions and not branches. seems to work |
| 14:41.00 | Javert | i've tried times and times and always worked |
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| 14:41.08 | karlpinc | philthno2: See the FHS at pathname.org for what needs to be mounted rw. You have separate partitions for those. |
| 14:41.29 | Raven007 | philthno2: that's why a "livecd" might be your solution - writable FSs are in ramdisks |
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| 14:42.02 | Raven007 | those get "lost" every time you reboot |
| 14:42.02 | bookmark | i can't join linux |
| 14:42.07 | iman | when i install in virtual box, i get a error in loading and i in wmware i get a error when during install |
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| 14:42.30 | philthno2 | Raven, I'll look for a howto |
| 14:42.30 | guest | nobody ? |
| 14:42.34 | iman | debian suggest what virtual machine ? |
| 14:42.44 | pif | when booting on a dm-crypt device do I need a root=/dev/ram0 boot arg ? |
| 14:43.07 | bookmark | is there any program for converting dvds into web videos? |
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| 14:45.22 | iman | what virtual machine debian suggest ? |
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| 14:45.46 | jordanm | iman: depends on what you use it for |
| 14:46.01 | tomodachi | i use xen for our production environment |
| 14:46.06 | tomodachi | but plan to switch into kvm in the future |
| 14:46.13 | iman | jordanm: debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 14:46.41 | jordanm | iman: not the version of debian, you use scenerio |
| 14:46.54 | jordanm | iman: eg. virtualize a server farm, desktop virtualization, etc |
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| 14:48.33 | iman | jordanm: i want to use debian in windows |
| 14:48.59 | iman | jordanm: i can't install it to virtual box or vmware |
| 14:49.12 | jordanm | iman: why is that? |
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| 14:49.49 | helo | i know from daily usage that debian works great in virtualbox |
| 14:50.04 | iman | jordanm: becuase in office i have to isntall windows |
| 14:50.06 | karlpinc | !tell iman about errors |
| 14:50.27 | Zharf | iman, huh? doesn't make sense |
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| 14:51.18 | akfaew | please help with apt-get autoremove problem: http://pastebin.com/kbnY4pcZ |
| 14:52.12 | stew | akfaew: what does "file /var/lib/dpkg/info/libsysfs1.postrm" return? |
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| 14:52.38 | helo | iman: virtualbox should work if you use it correctly |
| 14:52.46 | akfaew | stew: PC formatted floppy with no filesystem |
| 14:53.05 | stew | akfaew: sounds broken. where did you get that package. I don't think you got it from debian |
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| 14:53.20 | akfaew | i think it's terribly broken, it just "173366" bytes repeating for 132 bytes |
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| 14:53.34 | akfaew | stew: i just got a new system i'm supposed to manage |
| 14:53.53 | stew | akfaew: what is libsysfs1? |
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| 14:53.58 | akfaew | i have no idea |
| 14:54.05 | iman | helo: i think virtual box must config correclty |
| 14:54.27 | stew | akfaew: does "apt-cache policy libsysfs1" show it as available from anywhere? |
| 14:55.19 | akfaew | it should print "500 someserver" right? |
| 14:55.21 | akfaew | it doesn't |
| 14:55.48 | stew | i don't know about "should". especially since we have no idea where it came from |
| 14:56.07 | stew | akfaew: are there any other files returned by "ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/libsysfs1*" ? |
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| 14:58.18 | akfaew | i have another similar system, apt-get autoremove did not remove this package. how can i check to see if two debian systems are relatively similar? the version of both is 5.0.6, the sources.list files are the same |
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| 14:58.32 | themill | akfaew: what architecture is this box? |
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| 14:58.48 | tomiko | hi all ! |
| 14:58.49 | akfaew | stew: yes, there are other files like md5sums list postinst postrm and shlibs |
| 14:59.05 | akfaew | it's a pc, i386 |
| 14:59.06 | stew | oh right, its removed but not purged |
| 14:59.13 | tomiko | may I make a question about make packages please? |
| 14:59.19 | akfaew | i just dist-upgraded both |
| 14:59.26 | stew | akfaew: so you need to look at postinst and guess what needs to happen during postrm (which is hopefully not much) |
| 14:59.31 | akfaew | this one with a problem autoremoved significantly more packages |
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| 14:59.40 | themill | libsysfs1 was a sarge package for i386 |
| 14:59.42 | stew | akfaew: then make the postrm a noop |
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| 15:00.24 | akfaew | postinst is juz ldconfig |
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| 15:01.50 | tomiko | how I delete the pyc and pyo files when I make the dpkg-buildpackage? |
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| 15:02.32 | kindjal | What change can be made to the perl .deb's debian/rules to instruct it to skip the perl test suite (which fails)? override_dh_auto_test does not succeed at this. |
| 15:02.35 | akfaew | how can i list all packages installed manually (not dependencies)? |
| 15:02.46 | tomiko | I don't now how to delete this files ... when i make the dpkg-buildpackage, thous files are generated... |
| 15:02.50 | tomiko | any suggest? |
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| 15:04.34 | themill | tomiko: "debian/rules clean" should clean up these things. If it's your package and it doesn't, you should arrange for it to do so. If it's someone else's package and it doesn't, report a bug :) |
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| 15:07.19 | tomiko | themill , yes i made this package, may I add "find . -name '*.pyc' -delete" to the clean? |
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| 15:07.42 | themill | tomiko: are you using either dh_python2 or python-support for building this package? |
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| 15:07.49 | johnfg | hi guys |
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| 15:08.11 | johnfg | Well, I've got 2.6.32 bpo installed, but usb headphones still aren't working. |
| 15:09.55 | cahoot | you sure you access correct device? |
| 15:10.47 | johnfg | cahoot, I just plugged them in and expected them to work, as in fedora and other distros. |
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| 15:10.56 | johnfg | Have I missed something? |
| 15:10.59 | Seven | I have a Toshiba satellite who does not boot from cd room and have no usb bios support. does enyone know how can i make a windows XP bootable cause with other os like seven or vista it stops on checking video performance |
| 15:11.00 | tomiko | themill on the Build-Depends ? |
| 15:11.10 | Matic`Makovec | Hey...where can I limit the number of entries last has? |
| 15:11.14 | tomiko | I must to add something in the control? |
| 15:11.38 | cahoot | johnfg: cat /proc/asound/cards - which card# corresponds to the headset? |
| 15:11.57 | stew | tomiko: can you put your debian/rules into a pastebin? |
| 15:12.14 | tomiko | sure |
| 15:12.45 | johnfg | cahoot, 2. |
| 15:13.35 | tomiko | stew http://pastebin.com/6C1zdWdT |
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| 15:14.30 | cahoot | johnfg: card2? try speaker-test -t wav -c2 -Dplughw:2 |
| 15:14.54 | stew | tomiko: "find . -name '*.pyc' -delete " isn't working? |
| 15:16.03 | johnfg | cahoot, Here's the cat results: http://paste.debian.net/91061/ |
| 15:16.20 | Seven | does anyone know how can i make a win xp bootable ?!?! |
| 15:16.55 | johnfg | cahoot, OK, the test worked, left and right. Nice voice, |
| 15:16.56 | themill | tomiko: you really should be using one of the python helpers for your packaging and it will attend to these things for you. http://svn.debian.org/viewsvn/collab-maint/deb-maint/python-support/trunk/README |
| 15:17.26 | akfaew | how can i list all packages installed manually (not dependencies)? |
| 15:17.40 | tomiko | stew, if I go to "blackbird_0.0.1/debian/blackbird/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/Blackbird" There are .pyc and pyo |
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| 15:18.00 | cahoot | johnfg: so you want to 'point' you apps to card2 |
| 15:18.00 | jpinx-eeepc | Seven: why will it not boot from cd if you go into the bios? |
| 15:18.09 | tomiko | in this path, must be thous files? |
| 15:18.26 | cahoot | johnfg: ...or make the headset 'default' if you want it so |
| 15:18.38 | themill | akfaew: aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' |
| 15:19.02 | johnfg | cahoot, Is there not a way to have it work where the headset's the default when plugged in, and the speakers otherwise? |
| 15:19.27 | Seven | jpinx-eeepc, cd room is broke and bios does not recognise usb cdroom , win7 and vista froze on installation cause the pc is a bit old a toshiba satelite |
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| 15:19.46 | akfaew | themill: thanks |
| 15:19.53 | jpinx-eeepc | Seven: but will it boot froma USB memory stick? |
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| 15:19.53 | cahoot | johnfg: that I don't know |
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| 15:19.58 | Seven | no |
| 15:20.05 | jelly1 | hi, how could i easily downgrade from unstable to stable? |
| 15:20.05 | Seven | it will boot from his hdd |
| 15:20.08 | johnfg | So, if I want the headset for epiphany or iceweasel, how do I point them to use card2? |
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| 15:20.30 | Seven | i wanna make his own hdd bootable with win xp inside |
| 15:20.46 | korsakof | Hello! I have ordered new network cards for our servers. The model is Emulex Oneconnect OCE10102-NX-01. The manufacturer tells it is supported on redhat. Do you know if I will have problem with it on debian? |
| 15:21.16 | Seven | i tryed that with pendrivelinux but it does not support xp just windows 7 or vista from microsoft os |
| 15:21.47 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell Seven about usb install |
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| 15:22.03 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 15:22.10 | lenswipe | where does debian store info about its screensavers |
| 15:22.18 | lenswipe | i installed timetunnel and i want to change the image |
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| 15:23.11 | Seven | jpinx-eeepc, i tryed to install the plop but it gives error once it trye to write data on the hdd , probably i dont know how to do that |
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| 15:23.56 | jpinx-eeepc | Seven: sounds like your hdd might be broken |
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| 15:24.21 | jpinx-eeepc | Seven: what operating system is on the laptop at the moment? |
| 15:24.28 | Seven | with no os |
| 15:24.36 | Seven | cause i formated it |
| 15:24.51 | johnfg | cahoot, how do I point my browsers to use card2? |
| 15:24.53 | Seven | and the problem is when i switch the dvd room |
| 15:25.03 | Seven | it does not recognise as bootable device |
| 15:25.11 | Seven | is an ide dvdroom |
| 15:25.20 | cahoot | johnfg: I guess it's a matter of configuring flash |
| 15:25.38 | Seven | it recognise it once u open it with a livecd like for example hirens mini xp |
| 15:25.44 | jpinx-eeepc | seven you have to get hardware that your laptop will boot from, a cd, usb stick, whatever.... |
| 15:26.01 | Seven | it just boot from his own hdd |
| 15:26.15 | Seven | and i cant find a way to preinstall a winxp inside |
| 15:26.24 | jpinx-eeepc | Seven: you said there is no OS on the hdd? |
| 15:26.30 | Seven | nope |
| 15:26.32 | Seven | no os |
| 15:26.41 | Seven | all 0 at the moment |
| 15:26.42 | jpinx-eeepc | seven -this really is not a debian isseu |
| 15:26.52 | Seven | yeah i know that |
| 15:27.11 | jpinx-eeepc | unless you find hardware that will boot, and you want to install debian - I will stop now |
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| 15:27.53 | andares | hey, is it possible for me to upgrade from lenny to a newer release? |
| 15:28.04 | jelly1 | ok i just broke debian |
| 15:28.15 | helo | jelly1: nope, still works fine here! |
| 15:28.24 | jelly1 | helo: well i mixed up unstable and testing |
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| 15:28.25 | helo | andares: yes |
| 15:28.32 | jelly1 | and i can't downgrade to testing |
| 15:28.46 | jelly1 | helo: http://dpaste.org/jObs/ |
| 15:28.49 | jpinx-eeepc | andares: why? |
| 15:28.52 | jelly1 | when trying to downgrade |
| 15:28.57 | jelly1 | do you have any ideas? |
| 15:28.57 | helo | jelly1: with testing/unstable, you are your own support ;) |
| 15:29.04 | jelly1 | helo: ugh ok |
| 15:29.15 | jelly1 | helo: damn, but do you still have some ideas :p |
| 15:29.48 | jpinx-eeepc | jelly1: you have to identify what was installed from where and selectively and manually revert |
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| 15:30.37 | jelly1 | jpinx-eeepc: hmm ok |
| 15:30.38 | helo | generally downgrading is not well supported, so with testing/unstable and downgrading, i think it will just come down to luck if it works |
| 15:30.48 | jelly1 | :( |
| 15:30.55 | andares | jpinx-eeepc: I need ext4 support, among other things. |
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| 15:31.04 | jelly1 | hmmz |
| 15:31.04 | jpinx-eeepc | jelly1: tbh, save your data and reinstall |
| 15:31.15 | jelly1 | haha |
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| 15:40.42 | tomiko | <stew> no, the find to delete the pyc and pyo don't work when i install the package |
| 15:41.10 | tomiko | stew maybe the problem is on the debian/control ? |
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| 15:43.59 | jelly | andares: if you're not going to use it on /boot or / mount points, the only thing that lenny lacks for ext4 support is an updated kernel |
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| 15:49.55 | jpinx-eeepc | jelly: is the backported kernel sufficient? |
| 15:50.05 | jelly | jpinx-eeepc: wfm |
| 15:50.14 | Nwab | how to get the autocompletion with apt-get on root ? |
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| 15:52.17 | akfaew | on two computers, the `dpkg -l` show exactly the same (checked with diff), yet on one apt-get autoremove shows a big list, and on the other nothing. i just upgraded both systems. |
| 15:52.31 | akfaew | what can i do about this? |
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| 15:55.17 | themill | akfaew: compare the output of "aptitude search ~g" on the two of them. |
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| 15:56.46 | akfaew | themill: exactly the same |
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| 16:02.23 | emilsedgh | im experiencing X freeze's on sid. and im having this issue on two laptops (one is nvidia, one is intel). is this a known bug or something? |
| 16:02.40 | emilsedgh | (i searched, found very old bugs, which were fixed long time ago) |
| 16:02.54 | akfaew | hm, it seems that the autoremove list is created only ifter i type "apt-get remove xmms", xmms is "rc" |
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| 16:04.01 | akfaew | oh, sorry no, the list was created after aptitude search ~g |
| 16:04.06 | akfaew | perhaps the local database was buggy |
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| 16:19.13 | jpinx-eeepc | do interfaces need both allow_hotplug *and* auto to come on when plugged in? |
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| 16:21.52 | CoolCold | hi guys |
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| 16:23.27 | CoolCold | i've got question about packaging - i have config file to be placed in /etc/blabla.conf and after i describe it in conffiles and doing dpkg-buildpackage there are two copies of file name in conffiles |
| 16:23.30 | jelly | ,versions clamav |
| 16:23.31 | judd | Package clamav on i386 -- etch: 0.90.1dfsg-4etch19; etch-security: 0.90.1dfsg-4etch19; lenny: 0.94.dfsg.2-1lenny2; lenny-security: 0.94.dfsg.2-1lenny2; etch-backports: 0.95.2+dfsg-2~bpo40+1; etch-volatile: 0.95.3+dfsg-1~volatile1~etch2; lenny-volatile: 0.96.1+dfsg-1~volatile1; squeeze: 0.96.1+dfsg-1; sid: 0.96.3+dfsg-1 |
| 16:24.03 | CoolCold | so i guess there is some "guessing machine" which put files from /etc/ into conffiles automatically, but dunno for sure |
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| 16:31.50 | nicetry | Hey guys, I was wondering if anyone knew why sshd isn't installed by default in debian? |
| 16:32.16 | CoolCold | nice question, $me is wondering everytime too |
| 16:32.58 | Argafal | because you wouldn't want to run services by default that are probably never used but open up security holes if they are not taken care of? |
| 16:33.11 | jhutchins_lt | So... I'm guessing there's not much point in reporting the bug that this laptop looses sound when it hibernates, given that lenny's pretty much a done deal. |
| 16:33.16 | CoolCold | sshd never used?;) |
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| 16:33.29 | nicetry | Argafal: enabled or installed? |
| 16:33.32 | jhutchins_lt | I suppose I should work on squeeze and see if the bug's still there. |
| 16:33.38 | twisted` | yo, is there a 'virtual package' that install make, gcc, automake, etc? |
| 16:33.43 | greycat | Some people would never use sshd. It's reasonable for it not to be installed by default. |
| 16:33.51 | twisted` | it's a pita to keep copying the suggestions |
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| 16:33.51 | nicetry | I was talking about it with my boss, he claims it has to do with rivalry between deb and bsd. I don't know - what do you think? |
| 16:33.52 | greycat | twisted`: build-essential |
| 16:33.52 | Argafal | greycat: full ack. |
| 16:33.56 | twisted` | cause most of them don't exist... |
| 16:33.58 | twisted` | greycat: cool |
| 16:34.19 | Argafal | nicetry: if you have to manually enable it, where is the difference to manually install it, besides that one makes sense and the other one doesn't? |
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| 16:34.30 | twisted` | greycat: yep thanks |
| 16:34.50 | jpinx-eeepc | jhutchins_lt: losing sound on suspend is a common problem for laptop users:( |
| 16:35.00 | granquet | Argafal: ssh is a potential security hole ... only on debian :D |
| 16:35.02 | greycat | Installing services but requiring a config file setting to be enabled for them to run is the BSD way, not the Debian way. |
| 16:35.08 | jhutchins_lt | jpinx-eeepc: Yeah, it figures. |
| 16:35.27 | jhutchins_lt | I just hate to have to reboot every time I come across a video or mp3 on-line. |
| 16:35.30 | Argafal | granquet: no, each additional service is ALWAYS a risk, there IS no failsafe programming. never. and there will never be. |
| 16:35.56 | jpinx-eeepc | jhutchins_lt: I usually manage to get it back without rebooting - but don't ask me how - different every time :) |
| 16:36.04 | granquet | Argafal: I should have removed the "potential", so that you'd get the joke :) |
| 16:36.44 | Argafal | granquet: naw, too worn out already |
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| 16:36.52 | jhutchins_lt | jpinx-eeepc: Allow hotplug should imply auto. |
| 16:37.24 | jpinx-eeepc | jhutchins_lt: that's what I thought, but experience is variable..... |
| 16:37.25 | granquet | Argafal: it's always a pleasure to get it out of the closet from time to time :) |
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| 16:38.03 | jpinx-eeepc | puts them both in |
| 16:38.15 | jhutchins_lt | so if I have a squeeze partition, I can chroot to it, mount /dev and /proc, and then run aptitude, right? |
| 16:38.27 | jhutchins_lt | ...to get updates without having to boot to squeeze? |
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| 16:39.19 | granquet | jhutchins_lt: that's promised to fail, dpkg tends to start services by itself ... that can mess with the rest of the system (outside the chroot) |
| 16:39.21 | greycat | jhutchins_lt: assuming your kernel is new enough to handle it, sure |
| 16:39.45 | greycat | granquet: jhutchins_lt: well, don't install daemons inside the chroot |
| 16:40.12 | themill | actually, there is a mechanism in place for this already /msg dpkg policy-rc.d |
| 16:40.13 | jhutchins_lt | Hm? Why wouldn't it respect the chroot? How would it know about the external system? |
| 16:40.13 | granquet | greycat , jhutchins_lt: well, in case of an apt-get upgrade ... you can't really help it :) |
| 16:40.34 | themill | jhutchins_lt: you mounted /proc into the chroot |
| 16:40.39 | jhutchins_lt | Admittedly, if it stopped a daemon and restarted it, it would restart the squeeze version of the daemon instead of the lenny version. |
| 16:40.47 | themill | yes |
| 16:41.09 | granquet | jhutchins_lt: dunno ... assume you have a dhcpd ... you upgrade it ... and oh well, let's start it inside the chroot ... with another one outside the chroot, looks bad to me :) |
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| 16:41.39 | jhutchins_lt | It's a laptop, I'm just too lazy to carry it upstairs to the cat5 and reboot it. |
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| 16:42.09 | themill | granquet, jhutchins_lt: as I said, this is a solved problem ... people have to install all sorts of stuff into chroots for building packages |
| 16:42.39 | jhutchins_lt | Then I don't care if I have to reboot after the update, that's kindof the point. |
| 16:42.41 | granquet | themill: great, I didn't knew, last time I wanted to do that on debian people just started swearing in there ... |
| 16:42.53 | jhutchins_lt | It's a full system in the chroot - a bootable partition with squeeze. |
| 16:43.13 | jhutchins_lt | btw the <invoke-rc.d> factoid references itself. |
| 16:43.22 | themill | granquet: policy-rc.d has been in place for a good many years. At least the last two release cycles |
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| 16:44.06 | greycat | I do not see any reference to <invoke-rc.d> in the invoke-rc.d factoid. |
| 16:44.16 | granquet | themill: yeah, I'm reading into it now, will be useful someday :) (I hope to drop debian by then, but still, nice to know) |
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| 16:44.45 | jhutchins_lt | Do I need anything more than mount /proc; mount /dev, given that they're in the fstab? |
| 16:45.11 | jhutchins_lt | Or do I want to bind mount them from the base system before I chroot? |
| 16:45.13 | bzed | jhutchins_lt: in a chroot? you want to bind-mount them |
| 16:45.15 | themill | you have to bind-mount dev |
| 16:45.24 | jhutchins_lt | k. |
| 16:45.47 | bzed | if its only for building packages, use pbuilder or sbuild |
| 16:46.00 | bzed | and for just having a chroot - schroot |
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| 16:46.36 | jhutchins_lt | Same thing for proc? |
| 16:46.46 | bzed | bind mount it, yes |
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| 16:46.58 | jhutchins_lt | bzed: Just wanting to update a squeeze install without having to boot it. |
| 16:47.35 | bzed | jhutchins_lt: yeah, mount --bind /proc /target/proc, same for /dev, then chroot /target |
| 16:47.35 | jhutchins_lt | Seeing as niether GUI nor wifi are working at present. |
| 16:47.37 | bzed | and update |
| 16:48.05 | jpinx-eeepc | jhutchins_lt: that's a shocking way to do it - but it should work ;) |
| 16:48.47 | granquet | jpinx-eeepc: why shocking? that's why chroot are for. |
| 16:48.57 | jhutchins_lt | Yep, thar she goes. |
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| 16:49.07 | jpinx-eeepc | jhutchins_lt: fwiw - I have a couple of chroots of squeeze on my mobile phone and it's working well |
| 16:49.33 | jhutchins_lt | Unlike some, I did not mangle my working copy of lenny to test squeeze but instead obliterated my 2008 mandriva. |
| 16:49.36 | jpinx-eeepc | both are mounted and running stuff in screen all the time |
| 16:50.25 | helo | what kind of phone? |
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| 16:50.27 | jpinx-eeepc | granquet: you're right, of course, I have effectively got 3 os's running on the one lot of hardware |
| 16:50.32 | jpinx-eeepc | helo: n900 |
| 16:50.57 | jhutchins_lt | Hm, public key not available: ftp://ftp.debian-multimedia.org squeeze Release |
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| 16:52.04 | neocortex | Hello! Can anyone help me to setup thinkfan? |
| 16:52.24 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg info thinkfan |
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| 16:52.55 | dpkg | thinkfan: (simple and lightweight fan control program), section misc, is extra. Version: 0.7.1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 34 kB, Installed size: 160 kB |
| 16:53.04 | neocortex | jhutchins_lt, Nope, I did that, but I meant to tune it. Explanation is a bit short. |
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| 16:53.49 | jhutchins_lt | neocortex: Just wondering what it was. |
| 16:54.07 | jhutchins_lt | Intended for thinkpads I take it? |
| 16:54.21 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
| 16:54.25 | stew | neocortex: is fan control working at all. iirc you need to pass an option to the thinkpad_acpi module when it loads |
| 16:54.53 | jhutchins_lt | Is debian moving to wicd to replace networkmanager, or is it still just an alternative? |
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| 16:57.06 | JodaZ | uhm, is "fakeroot make-kpkg kernel_image kernel_headers" still the right method to make a kernel .deb ? |
| 16:57.25 | neocortex | stew, I made my /etc/modprobe.d/thinkpad_acpi.conf with the line 'options thinkpad_acpi fan_control=1' |
| 16:57.57 | neocortex | stew, And then installed thinkfan |
| 16:58.05 | stew | neocortex: excellent. you now know as much as I do |
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| 16:58.45 | stew | neocortex: i usually just control it by echoing into /proc/acpi/ibm/fan directly |
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| 16:58.55 | b0nghitter | lenny-security is still using flash player 9.x? isnt that vuln to the doABC flash exploit? |
| 16:59.05 | neocortex | stew, Yes! :-P But, you see, my question would be how (where) to make it load on start!? |
| 16:59.14 | stew | neocortex: thinkpad_acpi? |
| 16:59.28 | stew | neocortex: you could list it in /etc/modules |
| 16:59.36 | amphi | neocortex: thinkfan has an /etc/init.d file |
| 16:59.36 | stew | neocortex: or do you mean thinkfan |
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| 16:59.44 | neocortex | stew, Nope, thinkfan |
| 16:59.55 | amphi | neocortex: you'll probably want to fiddle with its config |
| 17:00.03 | jelly | b0nghitter: I didn't know adobe flash was available in debian at all. |
| 17:00.07 | neocortex | stew, It seems to me that I must run it every time I boot |
| 17:00.11 | amphi | neocortex: and if I recall correctly you need to edit /etc/default/thinkfan for it to start |
| 17:00.12 | stew | neocortex: sorry, i'd never heard of it |
| 17:00.51 | amphi | neocortex: I used it for a bit, but then I went back to letting the bios control the fan |
| 17:00.58 | b0nghitter | jelly: there is a plugin available, but it's 9.x for iceweasel |
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| 17:01.00 | CoolCold | huh, found - In V3 compatibility mode and higher, all files in the etc/ directory in a package will automatically be flagged as conffiles by this program, so there is no need to list them manually in package.conffiles. |
| 17:01.09 | stew | b0nghitter: what package name are you talking about? |
| 17:01.09 | b0nghitter | i cant goto my admin panel with 9.x :[ lol |
| 17:01.09 | CoolCold | any ideas how ti disable this? |
| 17:01.10 | neocortex | amphi, Thanks! |
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| 17:01.33 | amphi | neocortex: not worth IMHO |
| 17:01.41 | b0nghitter | flashplayer-mozilla i beleive |
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| 17:01.50 | amphi | running hotter and quieter didn't make me happy ;) |
| 17:02.06 | stew | b0nghitter: no such package in debian |
| 17:02.16 | jelly | ,versions flashplayer-mozilla |
| 17:02.18 | judd | Package flashplayer-mozilla on i386 -- etch-multimedia: 1:9.0.152.0-0.0; lenny-multimedia/non-free: 1:10.1.82.76-0.0; sid-multimedia/non-free: 1:10.1.82.76-0.0; squeeze-multimedia/non-free: 1:10.1.82.76-0.0 |
| 17:02.21 | b0nghitter | ah, part of DMM sorry |
| 17:02.27 | stew | and version 10 |
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| 17:02.30 | neocortex | amphi, stew, I had such a great and silent machine with Debian testing. Only recently it started to run fan when temperature was pretty low. Thus, I decided to try with thinkfan. Any other suggestions: how to control for fan speed? |
| 17:02.47 | amphi | I just leave the bios do what it likes |
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| 17:03.03 | stew | neocortex: are you sure the fan is running faster? or is it just getting dusty and louder |
| 17:03.12 | amphi | neocortex: what changed? did you upgrade the bios? |
| 17:03.17 | stew | neocortex: we've noticed that we need to clean the fan from dust more often these days on thinkpads |
| 17:03.18 | amphi | ah, yes, dust ;) |
| 17:03.47 | b0nghitter | odd, im getting "version 10 is required" |
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| 17:03.55 | stew | both because they become noiser, and because they run faster, becuase they become less efficient when dusty |
| 17:04.00 | neocortex | stew, amphi, My machine is pretty new T400s. gkrellm is showing me the speed and I hear it... |
| 17:04.01 | jelly | stew: is it "clean the fan from dust" or "clean dust from the fan"? |
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| 17:04.12 | stew | its dirty from dust. clean it |
| 17:04.34 | nexusone | is it ok to run taskset to pin production database process to certain CPU while things are in production? |
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| 17:05.00 | amphi | should dismember his stinkpad and do dusting |
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| 17:05.14 | neocortex | amphi, stew, Speed was usually around 2700 or so, and only few days ago it suddenly raised up to 3800 or more |
| 17:05.48 | stew | neocortex: what does "grep level /proc/acpi/ibm/fan" return? |
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| 17:06.21 | neocortex | stew, Currently: level 1 |
| 17:06.31 | neocortex | stew, But thinkfan is running now |
| 17:06.33 | stew | neocortex: i'd recommend leaving it on auto |
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| 17:07.02 | stew | neocortex: and if it needs to spin fast to keep the cpu cool, i'd recommend cleaning |
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| 17:07.28 | neocortex | stew, But it should be controlled by thinkfan. Am I right? |
| 17:07.55 | stew | if you want, i guess |
| 17:08.40 | Criminal- | http://paste.debian.net/91030/ << error with apt-get update |
| 17:08.47 | neocortex | stew, I just did: echo level auto > /proc/acpi/ibm/fan |
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| 17:09.32 | neocortex | stew, But the grep returns me level 1 |
| 17:09.36 | jhutchins_lt | b0nghitter: flashplayer-pluggin is a script that downloads the flashplayer from Adobe. It includes a script to update it; I have flash 10 in iceweasel on lenny. |
| 17:09.49 | stew | neocortex: sounds like thinkfan is working then |
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| 17:10.24 | neocortex | stew, Yes, and all temps from gkrellm are below 47 |
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| 17:10.36 | stew | Criminal-: don't use ftp.debian.org for anything. switch the main repositories to a mirror (/msg dpkg mirrors) swtch the volatile lines to be volatile.debian.org |
| 17:10.48 | neocortex | stew, While the fan speed is about 2000 |
| 17:11.07 | stew | neocortex: so everything is good? |
| 17:11.26 | neocortex | stew, Yes I suppose so! Thanks! |
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| 17:11.48 | jhutchins_lt | Ok, why do I have /var/log/aptitude and /var/log/apt/aptitude? |
| 17:11.58 | stew | neocortex: if the problem is "how do I get the deamon to start automatically", i'd check /usr/share/doc/thinkfan and /etc/default/thinkfan |
| 17:12.09 | bzed | Criminal-: especially switch it to a mirror next to you. ftp.debian.org is not slowish usually, but there is no need to use it :) |
| 17:12.18 | Criminal- | so deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free should be deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free |
| 17:12.19 | Criminal- | ? |
| 17:12.25 | jhutchins_lt | Ach, misread it. |
| 17:12.26 | neocortex | stew, Last Q: what would be good range of temperatures? Just to keep the track of what is going on... |
| 17:12.27 | stew | and we really don't want people using ftp.debian.org no matter how slow it is |
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| 17:12.39 | stew | Criminal-: yes, if you are near germany |
| 17:12.45 | Criminal- | the server is :P |
| 17:12.50 | Criminal- | frankfurt :P |
| 17:12.58 | stew | yes:) |
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| 17:13.34 | Criminal- | so what about deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main contrib non-free |
| 17:13.35 | Criminal- | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian-security lenny/updates main contrib non-free |
| 17:14.16 | bzed | Criminal-: why not ftp.de.debian.org or mirror.netcologne.de ? |
| 17:14.42 | jhutchins_lt | Off to see if squeeze works any better. |
| 17:14.43 | Criminal- | didnt see those ;p; |
| 17:14.49 | Criminal- | lol |
| 17:15.21 | b0nghitter | there is a 64bit linux preview release of flash player 10.1 btw if anyones interested |
| 17:15.23 | bzed | Criminal-: you must be blind or not willing to look at the right place |
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| 17:16.03 | stew | i guess ftp.de is special and gets mirrors for volatile and security |
| 17:16.08 | stew | Criminal-: you can switch them all the ftp.de |
| 17:16.25 | stew | or use security.debian.org for security and volatile.debian.org for volatile |
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| 17:17.21 | Criminal- | so deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main contrib non-free |
| 17:17.21 | Criminal- | deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security lenny/updates main contrib non-free |
| 17:17.22 | Criminal- | right? |
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| 17:18.17 | stew | Criminal-: yes |
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| 17:20.22 | pl0x | wow i pinged out |
| 17:20.26 | pl0x | i didnt see if u answered me |
| 17:20.30 | pl0x | Criminal- pinged :( |
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| 17:21.46 | pl0x | Err http://security.debian.org lenny/updates/main Packages |
| 17:21.48 | pl0x | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:23.00 | stew | pl0x: that's a networking problem |
| 17:23.07 | stew | pl0x: teh two deb lines you gave were correct |
| 17:23.19 | pl0x | but i can ping lol |
| 17:23.31 | pl0x | --- www.l.google.com ping statistics --- |
| 17:23.31 | pl0x | 9 packets transmitted, 9 received, 0% packet loss, time 8033ms |
| 17:23.31 | pl0x | rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 14.650/15.661/16.835/0.729 ms |
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| 17:24.51 | dennda | I am using a SOCKS proxy via `ssh -D 9999 myhost.com` and all of a sudden it stopped working. Firefox tells me that the proxy server is refusing connections. Any idea why or pointers where to start looking? |
| 17:25.20 | sushiyant | i have this problem with phpmyadmin " #1045 - Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES) " , how i can fix it ? |
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| 17:27.14 | stew | pl0x: looks like for some reason it is trying to use ipv6 |
| 17:27.28 | stew | sushiyant: looks like you have the wrong password |
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| 17:28.11 | dennda | I can, however, connect via SSH just fine... |
| 17:29.06 | sushiyant | stew: i can use from remote in vps but i can use with it with http://myip/phpmyadmin |
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| 17:30.54 | stew | sushiyant: if you have root working with the same password from some other ip, then you probably need to grant for root@localhost |
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| 17:33.14 | frewsxcv | i just installed python-svn, but i can't seem to do a 'import svn' successfully. any ideas? |
| 17:34.10 | stew | frewsxcv: import pysvn |
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| 17:36.00 | frewsxcv | stew: thanks |
| 17:36.41 | frewsxcv | i'm on debian stable. i'm building an application that requires python 2.6 or later. would it be best to just compile the source? will this break any of the libraries i have installed for python? |
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| 17:38.19 | dennda | i should then specify localhost as proxy, not the remote side... no idea how that happened. I was doing it properly for weeks, until this morning. thanks |
| 17:39.01 | pl0x | how do i remove the ipv6? |
| 17:39.11 | pl0x | or fix it |
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| 17:41.02 | iframe | new to debian, but not to linux, how do i install flashplugin?... |
| 17:41.06 | jhutchins_lt | Squeeze wierdness: I have a static WPA key in .../interfaces. During boot, I see wlan0 get an ip address from dhcp, but when the system's fully booted (to console), it's no-longer associated with the AP. |
| 17:41.18 | jhutchins_lt | iframe: What release/architecture? |
| 17:41.54 | Raven007 | iframe: aptitude install adobe-flash-player-browserplugin |
| 17:42.01 | iframe | jhutchins_lt, lenny i386... |
| 17:42.29 | stew | Raven007: that's not the name of any package in debian |
| 17:42.30 | Raven007 | iframe: but that's the "old" one |
| 17:42.36 | Raven007 | 10.0.45.2-1 |
| 17:42.42 | stew | judd: versions adobe-flash-player-browserplugin |
| 17:42.45 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'adobe-flash-player-browserplugin' was found in i386. |
| 17:42.49 | Raven007 | if you need something new, just install like any other $linux |
| 17:42.51 | jhutchins_lt | iframe: install flashplugin-nonfree, which will download it from Adobe. |
| 17:44.09 | sushiyant | stew: How i can do it ? |
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| 17:44.34 | stew | sushiyant: you are asking me for the grant syntax? |
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| 17:45.03 | iframe | jhutchins_lt, i was using fedora, the utility for installing, updating is yum, what's the equivalent in debian?... |
| 17:45.04 | sushiyant | stew : uhum , i am beginer in debian |
| 17:45.15 | jhutchins_lt | iframe: aptitude |
| 17:45.22 | stew | sushiyant: what are you trying to do? |
| 17:45.31 | jhutchins_lt | iframe: It's actually broken up into several tools and packages. |
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| 17:45.51 | jhutchins_lt | iframe: Assuming you have your sources set up, aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree would do the job. |
| 17:46.00 | jhutchins_lt | iframe: /msg dpkg sources for info on setup. |
| 17:46.30 | iframe | jhutchins_lt, ah ok, thx :) |
| 17:46.35 | sushiyant | stew : i want to access phpmyadmin from any where |
| 17:47.02 | frewsxcv | how would i install python 2.6 or 2.7 on debian stable? i heard something about backports.... |
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| 17:47.09 | stew | frewsxcv: its not backported |
| 17:47.11 | geograsX | hi |
| 17:47.13 | geograsX | how are ya? |
| 17:47.20 | geograsX | problem to install a program |
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| 17:47.40 | geograsX | sorry dont have X..i mean is ruined not pastebin |
| 17:47.46 | geograsX | AT YOUR OWN RISK, you can force the installation of this version of udev |
| 17:47.46 | geograsX | WHICH DOES NOT WORK WITH YOUR RUNNING KERNEL AND WILL BREAK YOUR SYSTEM |
| 17:47.46 | geograsX | AT THE NEXT REBOOT by creating the /etc/udev/kernel-upgrade file. |
| 17:47.46 | geograsX | There is always a safer way to upgrade, do not try this unless you |
| 17:47.46 | geograsX | understand what you are doing! |
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| 17:48.19 | stew | sushiyant: your error either indicates that either you are using the wrong mysql root password, or (less likely) root isn't allowed to connect to they msyql server on localhost |
| 17:48.27 | stew | sushiyant: i'm guessing you just have the wrong mysql root passsword |
| 17:48.52 | jhutchins_lt | frewsxcv: The problem is that all kinds of system stuff uses python, so if you replace the system python with the wrong version lots of stuff breaks. |
| 17:49.07 | sushiyant | stew : thank you , I slove it now |
| 17:49.10 | stew | sushiyant: can you login using the mysql command line tool? |
| 17:49.15 | jhutchins_lt | frewsxcv: You can install a seperate version of python under /usr/local, but the details of that are a bit beyond the scope of IRC. |
| 17:49.36 | sushiyant | stew : uhum |
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| 17:50.30 | frewsxcv | jhutchins_lt: what normally foes in /usr/local/ ? |
| 17:50.55 | jhutchins_lt | It looks like one reason to use invoke-rc.d in install files is to have the policy safties that keep it from messing up in a chroot. |
| 17:50.56 | frewsxcv | is there a way to make it not a global install? |
| 17:51.06 | frewsxcv | besides --prefix=/usr/local/ |
| 17:51.14 | jhutchins_lt | frewsxcv: Yes, as I said, install it somewhere other than the default path. |
| 17:51.34 | jhutchins_lt | frewsxcv: And as I said, the details are beyond IRC, find a howto. |
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| 17:52.03 | jhutchins_lt | I'm curious if wifi will come up if I have both wicd and networkmanager removed... |
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| 17:52.37 | stew | jhutchins_lt: i'm not sure I parsed that sentence, but there is policy-rc.d which are used by chroot managers like pbuilder |
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| 17:53.33 | jhutchins_lt | stew: Well, I see aptitude running scripts that would stop sudo and wicd as they are being removed, and I see the safety kicking in - I presume that's policy-rc.d |
| 17:53.54 | jhutchins_lt | stew: Which is probably why you use invoke-rc.d stop wicd instead of pkill wicd. |
| 17:54.13 | jhutchins_lt | bbiab, gonna see what squeeze does now. |
| 17:54.23 | frewsxcv | jhutchins_lt: i can't seem to find a tutorial. any ideas? would putting it in /usr/local/ break anything? |
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| 17:55.13 | stew | frewsxcv: it would break any scripts which were using "#!/usr/bin/env python" that were relying on modules not yet installed in your local install of python2.6 |
| 17:55.34 | frewsxcv | stew: is there a better way of going about this? |
| 17:55.46 | stew | frewsxcv: waiting for squeeze to be released? |
| 17:56.11 | frewsxcv | stew: i don't really have that time :-/ |
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| 17:57.06 | jhutchins_lt | W00T! |
| 17:57.10 | stew | frewsxcv: install it to a location what wouldn't be in the $PATH then having scripts which specifically need 2.6 reference this directly |
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| 17:57.37 | frewsxcv | stew: that's why i was going to put it in /usr/local/ |
| 17:58.08 | stew | frewsxcv: /usr/local/bin is in the PATH |
| 17:58.17 | stew | frewsxcv: so perhaps you mean somehting like /usr/local/python2.6 |
| 17:58.58 | jhutchins_lt | Hm. How do I switch consoles if I'm in irssi? |
| 17:59.10 | jhutchins_lt | Maybe I should launch it in screen... |
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| 18:01.02 | frewsxcv | jhutchins_lt: use screen |
| 18:01.16 | frewsxcv | jhutchins_lt: define console |
| 18:01.29 | jhutchins_lt | Figured it out, don't HAVE tty3, I set it to 2 tty's. |
| 18:01.42 | jhutchins_lt | Ok, here goes kdm... |
| 18:02.40 | pl0x | to search for tcl isnt it apt-get search? |
| 18:02.45 | greycat | apt-cache search |
| 18:02.50 | pl0x | ah i was close lol |
| 18:02.50 | pl0x | ty |
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| 18:04.41 | jhutchins_lt | FAIL! |
| 18:04.48 | jhutchins_lt | Black Screen lockup. |
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| 18:05.22 | jhutchins_lt | Failed to submit batchbuffer: Input/output error |
| 18:05.54 | jhutchins_lt | Still, I think they _just_ fixed the problem, the fix hasn't made it to squeeze yet. |
| 18:06.16 | jhutchins_lt | networkmanager in squeeze is apparently fubar. |
| 18:06.38 | pl0x | pl0x@r00t-b0x:~$ mv eggdrop /bots |
| 18:06.39 | pl0x | mv: cannot move `eggdrop' to `/bots': Permission denied |
| 18:06.39 | pl0x | pl0x@r00t-b0x:~$ |
| 18:06.54 | jhutchins_lt | ~ |
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| 18:07.11 | jhutchins_lt | Er, ~$ - there's yer problem. |
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| 18:07.35 | frewsxcv | stew: how would i override an applications python path? |
| 18:07.38 | pl0x | its always like that :( |
| 18:08.04 | jhutchins_lt | pl0x: Not if you're root. |
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| 18:08.30 | stew | frewsxcv: by editing the first line of the file |
| 18:08.35 | greycat | Or if you change the permissions on this /bots directory to whatever you need them to be. |
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| 18:09.55 | frewsxcv | stew: #!/usr/bin/python2.7/bin/python |
| 18:09.58 | frewsxcv | would that be right? |
| 18:10.06 | stew | sure |
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| 18:10.10 | frewsxcv | woops, i mean usr/local |
| 18:10.12 | greycat | why would you have a python2.7 directory under /usr/bin/ |
| 18:10.17 | daedaluz | is testing rolling release as well? for past ~5 years I've lived in assumption that only sid is |
| 18:10.22 | pl0x | pl0x isnt root lol |
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| 18:10.32 | greycat | !tell daedaluz about testing |
| 18:11.03 | frewsxcv | stew: yeah it doesn't work |
| 18:11.23 | stew | frewsxcv: be more specific |
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| 18:12.30 | frewsxcv | stew: i just changed the header to the location of the python executable. nothing changed, it still say it's 2.5 |
| 18:12.56 | stew | frewsxcv: what is "it" where how are you running it? where does it say 2.5? |
| 18:14.15 | bolt | why does virt-manager drag dependencies like lvm2 with it? i just want to be able to connect to a remote host with it, not run kvm locally |
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| 18:14.38 | frewsxcv | stew: i'm trying to install the recently released geonode. i'm running bootstrap.py to set it up. a little ways down the set up, it wants a new release of python (>2.6) |
| 18:14.47 | stew | bolt: so that one can use virt-manager to create a virtual machine running that uses lvm2 |
| 18:15.11 | bolt | stew: shouldn't lvm2 on the actual host be enough for that? |
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| 18:15.48 | frewsxcv | stew: i got it: /usr/local/python2.7/bin/python bootstrap.py |
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| 18:17.24 | bolt | the difference between installing virt-manager and kvm, and just virt-manager is only 4 megs on my current box. virt-manager and its dependencies requires 71.5 megs of packages. that can't be right |
| 18:17.37 | stew | bolt: yes, lvm2 on the actually host would be enough, i suppose |
| 18:17.42 | bolt | am i not downloading the correct package? i just want the remote admin tool for kvm |
| 18:18.04 | jhutchins_lt | #kvm ? |
| 18:18.04 | stew | bolt: but many people would probably expect that lvm2 be usable, so its pulle din via Recommends |
| 18:18.23 | stew | no, he's asking specifically about the debian packaging |
| 18:18.29 | stew | bolt: i don't see a direct dependency |
| 18:18.44 | stew | frewsxcv: how were you invoking it before? |
| 18:20.45 | jhutchins_lt | frewsxcv: Yay! You are at least the third or fourth person to ask about this here, could you write something up for the wiki? |
| 18:20.55 | bolt | stew: there's probably not a direct one, but apt-get does pull it in on my system |
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| 18:21.03 | bolt | is there a way to see why? |
| 18:21.09 | stew | bolt: aptitude why lvm2 |
| 18:21.21 | stew | bolt: but i can tell you it's recommended by libvirt0 |
| 18:21.21 | frewsxcv | why does the git package not install git? |
| 18:21.35 | frewsxcv | stew: i was just using python |
| 18:21.43 | frewsxcv | (i wasn't thinking) :-P |
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| 18:24.23 | stew | frewsxcv: because there was another git package which predated git the source code tool. its been moved to gnuit, and git-core (the one you are looking for) is being renamed to git in the next release |
| 18:24.48 | bolt | stew: ah. virt-manager depends on python-libvirt, which depends on libvirt0 which recommends lvm2 |
| 18:24.49 | daedaluz | I'm sorry, but I yet again failed to spot anything related to rolling release in there.. |
| 18:25.09 | greycat | Define the term "rolling release". |
| 18:25.12 | asaleem_ | I am unable to install any software in etch. This is my sources.lst file http://pastebin.com/V9CXrzfe. I receive 404 Not found error. Is there any reason why? |
| 18:25.43 | greycat | !tell asaleem_ about etch |
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| 18:26.24 | daedaluz | similar to Arch, Gentoo and sid, meaning no specific distro upgrade is necessary inbetween releases, instead I can use the same repo indefinitely |
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| 18:27.05 | asaleem_ | !etch sources.list |
| 18:27.05 | dpkg | hmm... etch sources.list is "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" and "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-security etch/updates main contrib non-free". But realise that Etch has not had security support since February 2010 and that you should upgrade to a newer release. Ask me about <etch->lenny>. |
| 18:27.06 | greycat | You can point to "testing" and use it forever if that is what you want. |
| 18:27.22 | daedaluz | yes, that is exactly what I want |
| 18:27.28 | greycat | You will continually get new packages, whenever some migrate from sid into testing. |
| 18:27.45 | bolt | stew: just specifying --without-recommends solved it for me :) that avoided pulling in lvm2, qemu and a bunch of other stuff |
| 18:29.03 | daedaluz | and there are no specific package freeze periods (packages enter phase of testing when they are not updated in order to move into stable release), as in opensuse:factory? |
| 18:29.39 | stew | daedaluz: testing is currently in a freeze period. it happens for a while before every stable release |
| 18:29.39 | greycat | In a freeze period (as we're in now), migrations to testing will be VERY slow. |
| 18:29.54 | greycat | When the freeze ends, you'll get an avalanche. |
| 18:30.05 | stew | daedaluz: things still migrate, but only when they are set manually to override the freeze by a release manager |
| 18:30.59 | daedaluz | that's what I thought too |
| 18:31.48 | daedaluz | how long packagefreeze is in Debian usually? |
| 18:31.51 | frewsxcv | i wonder why i have to use sudo with git |
| 18:31.55 | greycat | !wir |
| 18:31.56 | dpkg | hmm... wir is When It's Ready. See also <rsn> and <siyh>. |
| 18:32.05 | greycat | Months. |
| 18:32.26 | bolt | loves wir way more than set release dates, at which point things may or may not be working properly |
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| 18:32.42 | abrotman | frewsxcv: wrong person owns parent dir? |
| 18:33.50 | daedaluz | okay, thanks. that's all I needed to know. release cycle explanations could use some work in your otherwise fine wiki, I think. |
| 18:34.24 | stew | daedaluz: please make enhancements to the wiki where you find them needed |
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| 18:38.09 | frewsxcv | stew: git: /usr/local/lib/libidn.so.11: no version information available (required by /usr/lib/libcurl-gnutls.so.4) |
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| 18:39.12 | greycat | looks like you've got non-kosher shared libs under /usr/local there |
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| 18:40.38 | frewsxcv | greycat: how would i fix these? |
| 18:40.48 | stew | frewsxcv: why did you install those? |
| 18:40.50 | greycat | do you need them? |
| 18:41.24 | frewsxcv | stew: whenever i run a git command, those errors appear. the only way to get rid of them is to run sudo with git, which isn't ideal |
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| 18:41.52 | frewsxcv | and git won't do anything *unless* i run sudo |
| 18:42.00 | greycat | If the shared libs are broken and are not needed by anything else on the system, you could move them elsewhere, and then later when you're convinced you can live without them, delete them. |
| 18:42.18 | frewsxcv | greycat: i ned them. git requires them |
| 18:42.30 | stew | frewsxcv: why was /usr/local/lib/libidn.so.11 installed? (especially since a libidn11 package exists in debian to probide the same soname) |
| 18:42.30 | greycat | Why? Did you build your own git from source? |
| 18:42.54 | greycat | Why does it it need one in /usr/local that is apparently not working properly, rather than one provided by Debian? |
| 18:43.11 | stew | frewsxcv: what does "which git" return? |
| 18:43.25 | frewsxcv | shell-init: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory |
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| 18:43.28 | frewsxcv | /usr/bin/git |
| 18:43.45 | frewsxcv | stew: ^^ i installed git-core from the repos |
| 18:44.12 | greycat | frewsxcv: That shell-init error is an indication of some other problem, such as unreadable directory permissions.... |
| 18:44.37 | greycat | frewsxcv: is there a /usr/lib/libidn.so.11 as well? |
| 18:45.15 | frewsxcv | wow. now i'm getting these errors all over the place |
| 18:45.22 | frewsxcv | not good. |
| 18:45.52 | frewsxcv | actually if i try to tabl complete in /usr/lib/ i get symlink-hook: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory |
| 18:46.08 | greycat | frewsxcv: ls -ld / /usr /usr/lib |
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| 18:46.38 | frewsxcv | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/794652 |
| 18:46.57 | greycat | well, those looks correct.... |
| 18:46.59 | frewsxcv | should they not be owned by root? |
| 18:47.14 | stew | is that not just $pwd no longer exists? |
| 18:47.20 | greycat | Could be. |
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| 18:48.07 | frewsxcv | okay, libidn.la libidn.so.11 libidn.so.11.6.1 |
| 18:48.12 | frewsxcv | all live in /usr/lib/ |
| 18:48.23 | stew | frewsxcv: why was the version installed into /usr/local/lib? |
| 18:49.05 | greycat | frewsxcv: remove the one in /usr/local/lib (or mv it to some other place that's not in the ld.so search path) |
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| 18:50.00 | frewsxcv | greycat: nice, i think that worked |
| 18:50.25 | stew | frewsxcv: are there other libs installed into /usr/local/lib ? |
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| 18:50.56 | frewsxcv | stew: 34 libs |
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| 18:53.41 | frewsxcv | now to find out how to install apache maven |
| 18:54.10 | stew | frewsxcv: aptitude install maven2 |
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| 18:55.19 | frewsxcv | stew: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/794662 |
| 18:56.34 | stew | frewsxcv: then either figure out why libxalan2-java won't install, or perhaps try my suggestion of using aptitude |
| 18:57.19 | frewsxcv | stew: yeah. aptitude seems smarter. is that usually the case? |
| 18:57.49 | stew | yes |
| 18:58.05 | stew | but if you are running stable, these types of issues shouldn't generally come up |
| 18:58.20 | stew | frewsxcv: what was the resolution that aptitude found? |
| 18:58.23 | greycat | I still wonder how the hell he got a broken libidn.so.11 in /usr/local/lib |
| 18:58.28 | stew | me too |
| 18:58.30 | frewsxcv | stew: why can't maven2 be found in packages.debian.org |
| 18:58.43 | frewsxcv | stew: downgrade that libxalan |
| 18:58.51 | stew | uhh |
| 18:58.58 | greycat | He ran sid and tried to switch to testing? |
| 18:59.06 | stew | he's trying to run lenny |
| 18:59.09 | stew | iirc |
| 18:59.15 | frewsxcv | stew: greycat: i'm not sure how they got there, but there were various gdal libraries there |
| 18:59.16 | stew | frewsxcv: try http://packages.debian.org/maven2 |
| 18:59.48 | stew | frewsxcv: downgrade from what version to what version? |
| 19:01.03 | frewsxcv | libjaxp1.3-java [1.3.04-5 (now) -> 1.3.04-3 (stable)] |
| 19:02.44 | stew | judd: versions libjaxp1.3-java |
| 19:02.46 | judd | Package libjaxp1.3-java on i386 -- etch: 1.3.03-4; lenny: 1.3.04-3; sid: 1.3.05-1; squeeze: 1.3.05-1 |
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| 19:03.39 | blindvt | hi |
| 19:03.43 | frewsxcv | i think at some point, the server that i'm on, someone tried to upgrade to testing then downgraded back |
| 19:03.50 | frewsxcv | but obviously not everything |
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| 19:03.53 | greycat | That sounds possible, yes. |
| 19:03.53 | stew | frewsxcv: expect the problems to continue then |
| 19:03.58 | blindvt | is there some nice kde dict client in testing? |
| 19:04.17 | stew | but yes, that sounds likely. i'm not so sure about the 'downgraded back' part |
| 19:04.28 | blindvt | i can't seem to find kdict in there, unfortunately |
| 19:04.35 | tholl583xx | how do i show who signed a package? |
| 19:04.59 | stew | tholl583xx: an upload? to what repository? |
| 19:05.27 | stew | frewsxcv: you might run apt-show-versions to take stock of what other packages are ahead of stable |
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| 19:09.09 | tholl583xx | stew: there is a public repo with some array tools I would like to see if they are signed from some other package |
| 19:09.14 | tholl583xx | packager.. |
| 19:09.39 | tholl583xx | apt-get complains that the package is not authenicated |
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| 19:11.08 | stew | tholl583xx: .deb's are not typically individually signed. when they are uploaded to a repository, the .changes file (and .dsc) are typically signed (so if the .changes includes a digest of the .deb that would be signed). a repository might be signed, but that's the signing all the digests of all the packages, and no longer shows the signature of the individual packagers |
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| 19:47.08 | frewsxcv | is there bsddb in the repos? |
| 19:47.46 | greycat | frewsxcv: libdb4.4 and so on |
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| 19:49.17 | frewsxcv | greycat: thanks |
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| 19:50.28 | frewsxcv | python 2.7 wants bsddb185 (not libdb-dev) and sunaudiodev. any idea which packages these are? |
| 19:51.47 | stew | the python module packages do not support your local python2.7 install |
| 19:52.07 | frewsxcv | stew: what do you mean? |
| 19:52.26 | jhutchins_lt | So what wierd package are all these guys trying to run that requires python 2.6 or better? |
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| 19:52.56 | bolt | jhutchins_lt: hey, it has a higher version number! must be good! |
| 19:53.02 | stew | frewsxcv: if you install a python-module package, its going to compile the modules and install them into the system python2.5 directory |
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| 19:53.27 | frewsxcv | stew: i would want them in my 2.7 directory though |
| 19:53.28 | stew | frewsxcv: its not going to in any way affect your 2.7 installation |
| 19:53.36 | stew | frewsxcv: right |
| 19:54.04 | frewsxcv | stew: i needed to rebuild python2.7 because it didn't have sqlite support, so installed the libs and now it's asking for these two other packages |
| 19:55.03 | greycat | "re" build? how did you build it the first time, if you aren't satisfying its prereqs? |
| 19:55.35 | frewsxcv | greycat: because a lot of things were downgraded and removed because they were testing |
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| 20:04.07 | jhutchins_lt | frewsxcv: I'm still curious why you "need" 2.7. |
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| 20:06.03 | ZenWalker | hi |
| 20:07.25 | ZenWalker | why on packages.qa.debian.org lightspark 4.4.2 is acepted, but on experimental the version now is 4.4.1 ? |
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| 20:07.59 | jelly-home | ZenWalker: experimental makes no promises. |
| 20:08.17 | helo | hint: it is an experiment |
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| 20:08.49 | stew | ZenWalker: its been accepted but not yet installed |
| 20:08.54 | stew | ZenWalker: its probably in incoming |
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| 20:09.58 | wad | Quick question: I installed a package using apt-get, then heavily modified the scripts to work on my system. I need to make sure that it doesn't pull in any updates for this package in the future, that would step on my changes. Is there a Right Way to do this? |
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| 20:10.35 | stew | wad: were your changes all made to conffiles? |
| 20:10.50 | wad | nope, to the scripts in the package. |
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| 20:11.04 | stew | wad: which scripts? |
| 20:11.12 | wad | looks |
| 20:11.29 | stew | (I ask since some scripts, like init scripts, are conffiles) |
| 20:11.47 | wad | stew: Nope, these aren't conffiles. I changed a bunch of stuff, actually. |
| 20:11.57 | stew | wad: "/msg dpkg hold" perhaps |
| 20:12.01 | wad | Ah, okay! |
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| 20:13.12 | abrotman | wad: it might be better to maintain a diff and apply it when the package is updated? |
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| 20:14.43 | wad | abrotman, yeah, I'm not that worried. |
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| 20:15.00 | wad | It's just a simple little package, that is mostly a couple of scripts. |
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| 20:19.22 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions lightspark |
| 20:19.22 | judd | Package lightspark on i386 -- experimental: 0.4.4.1-1 |
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| 20:20.40 | ZenWalker | stew: how many time that is installed? |
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| 20:21.19 | qwd | I want to see the difference between two text files. diff seems to only show which lines have changed but I'd like to see a highlight of the words that's been changed. What should I use? |
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| 20:21.51 | stew | ZenWalker: i don't understand your question |
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| 20:22.30 | ZenWalker | 22:08 < stew> ZenWalker: its been accepted but not yet installed |
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| 20:22.34 | OperaFan | Hi, I am having problems with my home Debian server going unavailable for long stints. I have eliminated networky things, I think it's because something is occuring with my mounted mirroed USB hdd. I see this in the logs: http://pastebin.com/eLLY2k3e What does it all mean? |
| 20:22.43 | eft_ | hi guys, I want to move the home dir of a user |
| 20:22.51 | eft_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:22.53 | eft_ | am I doing something wrong? |
| 20:23.05 | greycat | eft_: make the user log out first. Then I'd just mv the directory, and vipw. |
| 20:23.33 | stew | ZenWalker: yes, what about that? |
| 20:23.38 | eft_ | vipw? |
| 20:23.49 | greycat | I'd have to look up the syntax for usermod and it's so much easier for me just to use vipw and edit the file myself. |
| 20:24.11 | OperaFan | I'm also getting other crazy nonsense: http://pastebin.com/54Dg2MhZ |
| 20:25.27 | ZenWalker | stew: sorry, I am from spain xD |
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| 20:26.06 | jhutchins_lt | OperaFan: Isn't that your main hard drive? Internal IDE or SATA? |
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| 20:26.07 | iman | how can i chat in yahoo messneger in terminal |
| 20:26.11 | greycat | OperaFan: check /proc/mounts and /etc/fstab -- maybe it's known by multiple names. |
| 20:26.17 | iman | with which software? |
| 20:26.37 | eft_ | greycat: many thanks |
| 20:27.46 | [Derek] | Hi, I am looking for some help on repartitioning a disk on my server, OS is Debian 5. |
| 20:28.29 | OperaFan | No, my root filesystem is embedded nand (on a Sheevaplug) /dev/sda1 is my media storage HDD (and postfix/web/and some other stuff) |
| 20:29.02 | karlpinc | iman: Install the debtags package, then: |
| 20:29.04 | jhutchins_lt | OperaFan: In any case, you're getting the equivalent of a hardware error, the disk is not responding to the system. |
| 20:29.10 | karlpinc | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:29.22 | jhutchins_lt | OperaFan: There are programs that scan disks for security risks, they can cause this type of error. |
| 20:29.29 | OperaFan | greycat: Nothing in either of those files. |
| 20:29.32 | jhutchins_lt | OperaFan: Also hald-addon-storage is known to cause some problems. |
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| 20:29.51 | jhutchins_lt | [Derek]: Do you need us to hold it for you while you swing the hammer or what? |
| 20:30.43 | OperaFan | OK, i'll have to bite the bullet and boot Windows and check the RAID status (there is no RAID support for this HDD for Linux) |
| 20:31.01 | [Derek] | I would like to, but /var (SDA7) only has 10GB of space :& |
| 20:31.22 | [Derek] | and I tried searching but most things were live CD stuff. |
| 20:31.32 | jhutchins_lt | [Derek]: Delete everything, make a single partition + swap, restore your backup. |
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| 20:32.05 | jhutchins_lt | Use cfdisk or gparted off of a live CD. |
| 20:32.22 | jhutchins_lt | Clonezilla is handy for backup/restore. |
| 20:32.59 | [Derek] | ok, now, after I do that, how do I start repartitioning. |
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| 20:36.12 | slb_ | is there a package of php that does not have suhosin garbage |
| 20:36.53 | kuatto | Hey all, I have a .deb file I installed with dpkg, it had dependencies which I compiled by hand, so I told the installer to ignore depends. It works great. Problem is I come back later and the package is mysteriously removed from the system. Should this ever happen? |
| 20:37.46 | stew | kuatto: not without telling you. but dpkg will complain with every operation until the dependencies are satisfied |
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| 20:38.14 | stew | kuatto: ignore depends is just for a single operation. you'll need to satisfy them more permanantly, probably with equivs: /msg dpkg equivs |
| 20:38.52 | kuatto | I'm on a dreamhost debian based Private Server. I'm inclined to think this is a dreamhost cleanup script, just not sure.. |
| 20:39.10 | jhutchins_lt | stew: That's where you mark a package as installed when you've installed it outside dpkg, right? |
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| 20:39.14 | kuatto | It could be that the unmet dependencies are causing the install to roll back? |
| 20:39.31 | stew | jhutchins_lt: its where you create a dummy package that you install to satisfy the depends |
| 20:39.50 | jhutchins_lt | Yes, it would offer to install the dependencies, or offer to remove the package, every time you install something. |
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| 20:40.26 | jhutchins_lt | kuatto: Another method would be to package your customized files and install that. |
| 20:42.19 | sideshowmel | i installed fglrx on squeeze now it won't find a screen meaning x won't start. any help appreciated |
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| 20:44.00 | stew | kuatto: you can check in /var/log/dpkg.log or /var/log/aptitude (if you use aptitude) to see when it was removed, and see if it was with other actions you were performing (during which you overlooked the removal) |
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| 20:44.41 | sideshowmel | maybe someone can give me a hint on what to add to my xorg.conf |
| 20:46.08 | streuner | dpkg fglrx |
| 20:46.08 | dpkg | [fglrx] "FireGL and Radeon for X", the AMD/ATI proprietary display driver supporting Radeon R5xx, R6xx and R7xx chipsets. As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chipsets prior to the R600 series are supported; ask me about <radeon> or <radeonhd> instead. The version in squeeze supports Xorg 7.5 (Xserver 1.7). To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner lenny>, <fglrx one-liner squeeze> or see http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary |
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| 20:47.04 | streuner | sideshowmel: the wiki of debian.org sounds promising |
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| 20:47.33 | kuatto | stew, I've got remove commands in the log. not sure if it was a script |
| 20:47.35 | sideshowmel | streuner: thx. i'll fire up elinks :) |
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| 20:47.58 | cybor0 | /usr/bin/blender: line 133: 18753 segmentation fault blender-bin "$@" |
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| 20:48.15 | cybor0 | some help /usr/bin/blender: line 133: 18753 segmentation fault blender-bin "$@" |
| 20:48.19 | streuner | sideshowmel: there is always VESA... |
| 20:49.05 | kuatto | ahh I can't install the equivs package because this machine is running Etch |
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| 20:49.52 | stew | equivs was certainly in etch |
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| 20:50.13 | stew | kuatto: but if you are on etch, we'd strongly encourage you to upgrade to the currently supported release |
| 20:51.31 | kuatto | ahh stew, it's a handrolled dreamhost install. I'm hope they backport the security fixes.. |
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| 20:52.40 | stew | kuatto: that should be easy to test by checking for newer versions corresponding with these announcements: http://www.debian.org/security/ |
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| 20:54.56 | kuatto | thanks stew |
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| 21:01.26 | qwd | Debian Squeeze AMD64. I'm trying to install Aquaria from the Humble Indie Bundle by doing "./aquaria-lnx-humble-bundle.mojo.run" or "sh aquaria-lnx-humble-bundle.mojo.run" but I'm getting either permission denied or "aquaria-lnx-humble-bundle.mojo.run: 1: Syntax error: "(" unexpected" Anyone know what's wrong? |
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| 21:03.15 | helo | maybe it is expecting bash instead of sh? |
| 21:04.11 | stew | its probably not a script |
| 21:04.26 | helo | or that... heh |
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| 21:07.15 | qwd | I stfw and it seems that's how you're supposed to install it. I even made the file executable. |
| 21:08.05 | stew | qwd: what does "file aquaria-lnx-humble-bundle.mojo.run" return? |
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| 21:10.04 | qwd | stew: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, stripped |
| 21:10.17 | stew | qwd: then no, you aren't supposed to execute it under sh |
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| 21:11.17 | qwd | stew: ok, then what do I do? |
| 21:12.25 | peterrooney | qwd: you had it right the first time |
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| 21:12.46 | peterrooney | ./aquaria-(foostuff) |
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| 21:13.26 | angel-tsankov | how do I install synaptic |
| 21:13.40 | qwd | angel-tsankov: aptitude install synaptic |
| 21:14.08 | angel-tsankov | and how do I check if it is already installed |
| 21:14.24 | qwd | angel-tsankov: apt-cache policy synaptic |
| 21:15.14 | qwd | or aptitude show synaptic, but that gives you a bunch of extra info. aptitude search synaptic works too, then the first row should say i (for installed) for synaptic. |
| 21:15.18 | qwd | peterrooney: bash: ./aquaria-lnx-humble-bundle.mojo.run: Permission denied |
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| 21:16.14 | Mr-R | qwd: chmod a+x ./aquaria-lnx-humble-bundle.mojo.run OR sh ./aquaria-lnx-humble-bundle.mojo.run |
| 21:17.19 | eshat | is there a nagios default plugin to check network usage on a host ? |
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| 21:17.32 | qwd | Mr-R: Nope, already did all that, and I just did it again to be sure. |
| 21:18.28 | angel-tsankov | qwd: what does 'No candidate version found for synaptic' mean |
| 21:18.36 | Mr-R | qwd: sorry. i just read the history. hmm. what about the chmod a+x? |
| 21:19.20 | Mr-R | qwd: and do you have 32 or 64 bit? |
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| 21:23.38 | KaffeeJunky123 | I've blurry and small fonts in some applications on Debian Lenny, like for example Lyx |
| 21:23.54 | KaffeeJunky123 | True type fonts and ms core fonts are installed, any ideas what I could do about it? |
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| 21:24.42 | qwd | Mr-R: I did chmod already. I have 64bit but it should work anyway according to what I've read. Besides, I have ia32-libs installed. |
| 21:24.48 | KaffeeJunky123 | oh nvm it's a qt problem <_< |
| 21:25.53 | peterrooney | qwd: who owns this file? |
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| 21:26.40 | qwd | peterrooney: my regular user |
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| 21:28.57 | Mr-R | qwd: what about "linux32 ./aquaria-lnx-humble-bundle.mojo.run"? |
| 21:29.36 | Mr-R | qwd: damn. |
| 21:29.47 | Mr-R | qwd: dont try this. i am out... :/ |
| 21:29.52 | qwd | Mr-R: no luck :) linux32: ./aquaria-lnx-humble-bundle.mojo.run: Permission denied |
| 21:29.58 | Mr-R | qwd: yup |
| 21:30.17 | Mr-R | qwd: do you have a chroot for 32-bit? |
| 21:30.40 | qwd | Mr-R: not that I know of (so I guess that's a no) |
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| 21:51.27 | zeugma | so, I'm trying to mount a usbdrive (the one that I booted from) in the debian-installer's shell, and it is giving me a 'no such file or directory' when both the device and mountpoint are there. whats the deal/ |
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| 21:53.05 | zeugma | don't fail me debian channel |
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| 21:55.29 | zeugma | i need to supply the installer with some non-free wireless device firmware, but I cannot do so unless I mount the usb device that this firmware is on |
| 21:55.55 | cafuego | sooo ... |
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| 21:56.33 | cafuego | dmesg; find the device name/partition no. pmount /dev/sdc1 wibble; ls /media/wibble |
| 21:56.48 | zeugma | no worky |
| 21:56.52 | cafuego | if you lack pmount, as root: mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt |
| 21:57.08 | cafuego | zeugma: 'no worky' is a *really* useless bug report btw :-) |
| 21:57.36 | cafuego | Oh, repalce sdc1 with your device details right |
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| 21:58.58 | rolandpish | in a squeeze box I'm about to install swiftfox, how can I know if my processor is a prescott or a i686? |
| 21:59.00 | zeugma | the device is /dev/sda1, i'm running the debian-installer's shell, 'mount /dev/sda1 /mnt' responds with 'mounting /dev/sda1 onn /mnt failed: no such file or directory' but both /mnt and /dev/sda1 are there, |
| 21:59.13 | zeugma | cat /proc/partitions shows /dev/sda1 |
| 21:59.34 | cafuego | zeugma: um |
| 21:59.44 | cafuego | zeugma: what device is your root fs then? |
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| 22:00.28 | zeugma | rootfs on / type rootfs (rw) |
| 22:00.43 | helo | good old rootfs |
| 22:00.52 | cafuego | Oh i see... you've not done the partitioning step yet, so it's not mounted on /target. nm. |
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| 22:01.11 | zeugma | right - I need to get the wireless device working so I can proceed with the installation |
| 22:01.25 | cafuego | zeugma: Likely you lack the 'mount.vfat' app, so that's what 'mount' can't find. |
| 22:01.44 | zeugma | that makes sense |
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| 22:02.01 | abrotman | rolandpish: what is your CPU ? |
| 22:02.53 | rolandpish | abrotman, this is what cat /proc/cpuinfo shows: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6420 @ 2.13GHz |
| 22:03.37 | abrotman | rolandpish: that's a prescott (well, it's actually newer) |
| 22:03.43 | cafuego | oh wow |
| 22:03.51 | zeugma | well... I guess I'll just take this home and plug it into the wall (oh the humanity) |
| 22:03.56 | rolandpish | abrotman, great! thanks a lot! |
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| 22:05.41 | Sec_goat | Good evening! Can anyone tell me how to rename a folder using the command line? |
| 22:06.04 | dvs | mv |
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| 22:06.22 | zeugma | mv <oldname> <newname> |
| 22:06.42 | Zaerath | I am having trouble upgrading to lenny now that etch is broken. >_> |
| 22:06.49 | Sec_goat | man that was easy, thanks guys! |
| 22:06.58 | abrotman | Zaerath: how is etch broken? |
| 22:07.08 | cafuego | Zaerath: I upgraded yesterday without any issues. |
| 22:07.19 | Zaerath | abrotman: Sorry, WASN'T broken til I touched it. :P I realized the repos were gone and tried to fix it and ended up causing myself harm. |
| 22:07.28 | abrotman | !tell Zaerath about etch sources.list |
| 22:07.45 | Zaerath | I know, I know. I am upgrading now and it should be okay. |
| 22:07.52 | Zaerath | Wanna laugh at my expense, though? |
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| 22:08.08 | andares | hey, what package in backports should I install for the newer kernel? |
| 22:08.14 | helo | volunteers |
| 22:08.28 | cafuego | andares: which newer kernel? |
| 22:08.40 | Zaerath | I couldn't upgrade glibc because my libc.so.6 was not a dpkg-maintained copy (no clue why). So I accidentally deleted /lib/libc.so.6. instead of /lib/tls/i686/libc.so.6.... |
| 22:08.44 | andares | 2.6.32 I guess. I dunno, whichever one has ext4 support. |
| 22:08.57 | Zaerath | And of course, if you delete /lib/libc.so.6, all BASH breaks except very very basic BASH. |
| 22:09.15 | andares | I'm surprised your system still works at all. :o |
| 22:09.18 | cafuego | Zaerath: Can I ask at what point deleting /lib/libc.so.6 seemed like a good idea? |
| 22:09.31 | Zaerath | cafuego: Actually, some idiot on a forum said it would resolve the upgrade issue. |
| 22:09.38 | Zaerath | I *renamed* it, thank god. |
| 22:09.44 | Zaerath | If I had deleted it, I'd have to find another one from my kernel build. |
| 22:10.08 | cafuego | Zaerath: Well, if you renbaked it you can LD_PRELAOD it in theory |
| 22:10.11 | abrotman | that doesn't sound good |
| 22:10.12 | cafuego | renamed |
| 22:10.18 | Zaerath | Oh, didn't know. |
| 22:10.20 | Zaerath | Anyway SSH broke too, so I had to gain physical access to my box.... |
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| 22:11.20 | Zaerath | I booted into the Lenny LiveCD and renamed my libc.so.6 and then renamed the /lib/tls folder for the upgrade (was hitting a bug #465753). Now it's moving smoothly and upgrading. |
| 22:11.43 | Zaerath | That'll teach me to go willy-nilly on renaming shit in my /lib folder.... |
| 22:11.59 | cafuego | Yes, indeed. |
| 22:12.23 | cafuego | One exception is changing permissions on git stuff in lenny. (grr) |
| 22:12.44 | cafuego | At least I think that box runs lenny :-/ |
| 22:12.52 | andares | can I upgrade to kernel 2.6.32 just by running aptitude install linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.5-amd64+ |
| 22:12.55 | andares | *? |
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| 22:13.07 | dvs | yes |
| 22:13.26 | andares | and it knows how to install it and fix grub to boot it and everything? |
| 22:13.29 | Zaerath | One more question... I was on Etch for the 2.4 kernel... My server is a P4, am I going to run into any compatibility issues using 2.6? |
| 22:13.32 | andares | or do I have to config grub? |
| 22:13.40 | dvs | it knows |
| 22:13.51 | cafuego | Zaerath: No, any i386 (or i686) labeled kernel will work. |
| 22:14.16 | Zaerath | cafuego: Thanks. I remember I originally installed 2.4 for more compatibility. |
| 22:14.24 | cafuego | Zaerath: Well, actually, not *any* ... you'll have udev and other depend issues with the newer ones (2.6.33 and up prolly) |
| 22:14.36 | andares | dvs: will I need to recompile nvidia's drivers now? |
| 22:14.36 | Zaerath | cafuego: And what will lenny install with? |
| 22:14.44 | andares | to match with the kernel's abi? |
| 22:15.01 | cafuego | Zaerath: 2.6.26 or somesuch? |
| 22:15.09 | dvs | andares: I don't know about the nvidia drivers |
| 22:15.15 | cafuego | Zaerath: I'm on lennies xne ekrnel, dunno if there is a more recent non-xen one. |
| 22:15.36 | Zaerath | cafuego: Alright, do you know the EOS on Lenny? I virtually do not touch this box unless the repos go missing (this is the first time this has happened). |
| 22:15.56 | cafuego | EOS? |
| 22:16.01 | cafuego | Oh, no. |
| 22:16.04 | andares | end of support I guess. |
| 22:16.15 | cafuego | Zaerath: At least a year I hazard |
| 22:16.18 | Zaerath | andares: Yeah. |
| 22:16.27 | cafuego | Zaerath: Lenny is about to be superseded eh |
| 22:16.29 | Zaerath | Alright, because you can bet I will be sitting my happy ass on lenny until THESE repos go away. |
| 22:16.53 | Zaerath | To Debian's defense, I DID install Etch like... Years ago. I don't even remember when. |
| 22:16.54 | koollman | Zaerath: well, you could just use a permanent mirror of the repos, and never move ;) |
| 22:17.03 | abrotman | yeah, but lenny won't go away til probably a year after the release of squeeze |
| 22:17.06 | Zaerath | koollman: Like using "stable" ? |
| 22:17.17 | abrotman | koollman: why? there is an archive .. you don't need to do that (besides it's a horrible idea) |
| 22:17.29 | koollman | abrotman: oh, I did not say it was a good idea, did I ? |
| 22:17.29 | abrotman | Zaerath: no, he means to use etch forever .. but that's an awful idea |
| 22:17.40 | Zaerath | abrotman: Yeah I am glad I am being forced to a 2.6 kernel, but.... |
| 22:17.52 | abrotman | but etch hasn't had security support in six months |
| 22:17.55 | Zaerath | I'm not going to upgrade until it causes issues for me. I don't fix what "aint broke" as they say. |
| 22:18.17 | Zaerath | (this is a semi-production system that never has a good reason to be touched) |
| 22:18.21 | abrotman | lack of security support is broke |
| 22:18.22 | nsadmin | , file |
| 22:18.25 | judd | (file <pattern> [--arch <i386>] [--release <lenny>] [--regex | --exact]) -- Returns packages that include files matching <pattern> which, by default, is interpreted as a glob (see glob(7)). If --regex is given, the pattern is treated as a extended regex (see regex(7); note not PCRE!). If --exact is given, the exact filename is required. The current stable release and i386 are searched by default. |
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| 22:18.44 | nsadmin | , file bin/xsltproc |
| 22:18.49 | judd | bin/xsltproc in lenny/i386: xsltproc: usr/bin/xsltproc; libxslt1-dbg: usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/xsltproc |
| 22:18.53 | abrotman | nsadmin: msg the bot? |
| 22:20.03 | Zaerath|Food | Before I go, are there any faster mirrors for east-coasters than ftp.debian? |
| 22:20.15 | Zaerath|Food | (probably gonna get told to use mirrorselect) |
| 22:20.51 | abrotman | you sohuld never use ftp.debian.org |
| 22:20.52 | nsadmin | ooh awesome... it works |
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| 22:21.06 | abrotman | Zaerath|Food: there is a UFL mirror i think, i know there is a UGA one |
| 22:21.31 | Zaerath|Food | abrotman: I'll look into it, thanks! |
| 22:21.31 | Zaerath|Food | ftp.debian is really slow, so I agree. |
| 22:21.35 | MrFrood | Zaerath|Food: apt-spy |
| 22:21.37 | abrotman | that's not why you shouldn't use it |
| 22:21.45 | nsadmin | Zaerath|Food, thAT's not the reason |
| 22:21.52 | abrotman | Zaerath|Food: "deb http://ftp.uga.edu/debian/ lenny main" |
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| 22:22.17 | gnude | hello, why has been reiserfs removed from the installer? |
| 22:22.25 | abrotman | which installer? |
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| 22:22.30 | dvs | flo rida? |
| 22:22.34 | gnude | i supporting much workstation ans server working with it. |
| 22:22.40 | nsadmin | but... having that name and not really saying much of anything else and then complaining when people go "oh, it exists" is not the sanest or most reasonable thing in the world |
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| 22:23.02 | abrotman | takes the bottle from dvs |
| 22:23.31 | nsadmin | gnude: it was arrested for murder... |
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| 22:23.44 | abrotman | nsadmin: not funny |
| 22:23.58 | abrotman | gnude: which installer? lenny? squeeze? |
| 22:24.22 | gnude | squeeze |
| 22:24.23 | nsadmin | seriously... reiserfs has very serious issues |
| 22:24.31 | abrotman | that's a different problem |
| 22:24.34 | gnude | i download testing... and default it was not to use... |
| 22:24.43 | gnude | so i must set priority=low |
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| 22:24.44 | abrotman | gnude: reiserfs was never the default |
| 22:24.48 | gnude | and then add partman.reiserfs |
| 22:24.54 | qwd | I solved my problem! I moved the file from my second hard drive to my home folder and then I could install. Don't know why but it worked! |
| 22:24.54 | Zaerath | nsadmin: What's the reason for not using it, then? |
| 22:24.59 | abrotman | gnude: did you try expert mode instead |
| 22:25.00 | abrotman | ? |
| 22:25.02 | gnude | abrotman: not default, but you could use it. |
| 22:25.02 | starenka | hi, im using squeeze. i want some packages (bzr and related) from sid. what's the prefered way how to do that? just add repos and upgrade this package? can i somehow use pinning just for these packages to not mess my system? can you help/spare a link? thanks |
| 22:25.08 | Zaerath | nsadmin: I mean, besides that it's slow? |
| 22:25.18 | nsadmin | it can cause your whole filesystem to disappear |
| 22:25.20 | abrotman | gnude: i'd really not recommend using reiser anymore .. ext3 is better and more stable |
| 22:25.20 | gnude | now i get reiserfs, but it is much difficult... |
| 22:25.21 | gnude | not nice. |
| 22:25.26 | nsadmin | irrevokably |
| 22:25.33 | Zaerath | nsadmin: No I meant the ftp.debian mirror, not WifeKiller FS |
| 22:25.41 | nsadmin | oh sorry |
| 22:25.43 | nsadmin | because it' |
| 22:25.54 | nsadmin | s the main dev upload box |
| 22:26.00 | Zaerath | Ah gotcha. |
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| 22:26.05 | abrotman | Zaerath: it's much better to use a mirror, you know exactly where you're going, and you're not one of a bazillion people using that mirror (ftp.debian.org is not a primarY) |
| 22:26.21 | Zaerath | abrotman: ftp.debian has always been my primary mirror on etch, since install. :/ |
| 22:26.27 | nsadmin | and the box every other box pulses from |
| 22:26.30 | abrotman | Zaerath: i mean for syncing purposes |
| 22:26.34 | abrotman | nsadmin: no it's not |
| 22:26.41 | MrFrood | Zaerath: apt-spy will find the fastest mirror for you |
| 22:26.46 | abrotman | MrFrood: today .. |
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| 22:26.54 | Zaerath | MrFrood: Thanks! I used netselect-apt here: http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2007/05/using-netselect-apt-tip-to-select.html |
| 22:27.00 | Burns | Hello, what is the best firewall |
| 22:27.16 | Zaerath | -is watching the lenny packages install and crossing fingers- |
| 22:27.18 | abrotman | Zaerath: in general, i recommend just picking one geographically near you .. it helps distribute the load |
| 22:27.20 | Burns | CSF Firewall is getting me crazy |
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| 22:27.25 | cafuego | Burns: that question makes no sense. There is only one firewall. |
| 22:27.36 | Zaerath | abrotman: Yeah I am only doing this for the upgrade. Then I'm going to use GA-tech probably. |
| 22:27.38 | Burns | software then? |
| 22:27.56 | cafuego | Burns: Define "best". |
| 22:28.07 | MrFrood | cafuego: but lots of ways to configure it |
| 22:28.13 | abrotman | nsadmin: at least get your facts half-way straight |
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| 22:28.26 | nsadmin | what are the facts? |
| 22:28.33 | Burns | anything good that doesnt mass mail me with legit warnings like lfd of CSF |
| 22:28.35 | abrotman | not the things you said :) |
| 22:28.39 | andares | hey guys, I just installed a backports kernel 2.6.32 and now my nvidia drivers no longer work. |
| 22:28.40 | nsadmin | well |
| 22:28.40 | cafuego | nsadmin: getthefacts.microsoft.com |
| 22:28.47 | andares | how do I install drivers appropriate for my kernel? |
| 22:28.54 | nsadmin | I'm not lifting many fingers |
| 22:29.08 | cafuego | Burns: Well, I find that the iptables tool doesn't do that, so for me that's best. |
| 22:29.19 | nsadmin | ftp.debian.org is the central mirror |
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| 22:29.32 | abrotman | no, it's not .. i said that already |
| 22:29.37 | nsadmin | it has official use that doesn't include general mirror use |
| 22:29.51 | abrotman | okay .. fine .. believe whatever you want .. you're still wrong |
| 22:29.53 | poppiez | what can I do about this error? http://pastebin.com/zphA1mD3 we have a dev version of sphinx installed because we need it but now when I try to upgrade, this happens |
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| 22:30.27 | nsadmin | I don't see anyone saying what the correct info is |
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| 22:30.31 | abrotman | poppiez: where did you get that package? there is no 'mysql' in debian |
| 22:30.36 | Zaerath | poppiez: Looks like you need mySQL installed, but it's referecing the wrong package. |
| 22:30.38 | cafuego | poppiez: Use an OurDelta mysql build for your box |
| 22:30.40 | abrotman | nsadmin: i already told you that it's not hte principal mirror .. |
| 22:31.16 | Zaerath | abrotman: What do you mean there's no MySQL? I have it installed in Etch, even though that isn't the exact package name. |
| 22:31.27 | abrotman | Zaerath: the package is at least 'mysql-server' |
| 22:31.28 | poppiez | abrotman: we haven't installed mysql outside of the package system. don't know why it's there |
| 22:31.31 | andares | hey guys, where's ld supposed to be? |
| 22:31.32 | Zaerath | abrotman: There it is |
| 22:31.34 | poppiez | Zaerath: hmm what's the right package? |
| 22:31.35 | abrotman | !tell poppiez about equivs |
| 22:31.40 | andares | for some reason, it's not in my $PATH. |
| 22:31.43 | Zaerath | poppiez: Should be mysql-server. |
| 22:32.03 | poppiez | Zaerath: hmm. what can I do about this? is it because sphinx tries to install mysql? |
| 22:32.30 | abrotman | poppiez: see what the bot told you |
| 22:32.34 | Zaerath | Check the bot. |
| 22:32.37 | Zaerath | I don't remember the upgrade from Sarge->Etch taking this long..... |
| 22:32.42 | Zaerath | Apaprently Etch > Lenny is hugeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. |
| 22:32.51 | poppiez | abrotman: thanks. I installed sphinx with checkinstall. should I unstall it first or? |
| 22:33.13 | abrotman | poppiez: you don't have to i don't think, but i've never had that issue using checkinstall |
| 22:33.45 | nsadmin | perhaps the name "ftp.debian.org" (whatever function it serves) should not be used. Or if it is used, it should round-robin to mirrors |
| 22:33.45 | poppiez | abrotman: aptitude install equivs wants to uninstall sphinx. should I just accept and then try to install sphinx afterwards? |
| 22:33.57 | abrotman | yes |
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| 22:34.13 | abrotman | nsadmin: or you should just stop telling people the wrong facts about it :) |
| 22:34.16 | poppiez | abrotman: alright, and how do you suggest I install sphinx? using checkinstall again? |
| 22:34.30 | Zaerath | Haha wow that would've been bad. |
| 22:34.34 | abrotman | if you can satisfy its depends |
| 22:34.39 | Zaerath | "Do you want to use the package maintainer's version of the apache2.conf" file? |
| 22:34.44 | Zaerath | Me: HELLLLLL no. |
| 22:35.01 | andares | why is there no candidate for linux-kernel-headers?? |
| 22:35.04 | abrotman | nsadmin: it is also not the primary dev box |
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| 22:35.55 | Zaerath | I'm staying in this channel until I reboot into Lenny, just to make sure. |
| 22:36.20 | nsadmin | I'm not lifting finger one to get it... if someone wants to tell me what the facts are, and NOT WHAT IT IS NOT (given that is irrelevent), then I'll have the correct info |
| 22:36.35 | abrotman | you don't have the correct info |
| 22:36.46 | abrotman | or you didn't above ... |
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| 22:37.29 | abrotman | a) ftp.debian.org is not the primary dev box b) ftp.debian.org is just another mirror c) it's mostly there for historical reasons d) if everyone uses it, what's the point of a mirror system? |
| 22:37.44 | andares | jeez, debian makes compiling programs as difficult as possible, seemingly. |
| 22:37.45 | abrotman | e) pick a mirror geographically near you |
| 22:38.04 | cafuego | andares: install auto-apt and use it |
| 22:38.06 | nsadmin | I already asked what are the facts. The response I got was what the facts are not. This is not: useful, in service, supportive. |
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| 22:38.19 | abrotman | nsadmin: i just told you .. i'm not sure what else you wan tto know |
| 22:38.48 | nsadmin | oh ok, must have hit enter too soon |
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| 22:39.36 | abrotman | in general, point them at debian.org/mirrors/list, tell them to find a mirror near them .. if it is slow, pick another near them |
| 22:39.43 | andares | cafuego: that won't help me. I'm just trying to compile nvidia drivers for my kernel, and it wants me to do a bunch of stuff. |
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| 22:39.47 | nsadmin | andares, compiling something usually has build requirements that are specified in the source |
| 22:39.55 | nsadmin | satisfy those, and you should be fine |
| 22:40.05 | DDRP | Build-Depends: ftw |
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| 22:40.32 | cafuego | andares: Seems to me it does exactly what you wanted, but oh well. |
| 22:41.00 | nsadmin | sometimes there is build requirements specified in the README and/or INSTALL file, and either there does exist debian build-depends, or there does not. |
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| 22:41.08 | nsadmin | either way, you have to satisfy them |
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| 22:41.27 | andares | nsadmin: I'm using nvidia's installer, since there's nothing in apt for kernel-2.6.32 in backports, seemingly. |
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| 22:42.19 | andares | like, backports has no port of the nvidia drivers for kernel 2.6.32, so I have to build them myself. |
| 22:42.40 | nsadmin | it is occasionally helpful for you to understand the parts of the compiler (so you know what is supposed to happen and in what order), and the language the thing you're compiling is written in (so you have a chance of fixing something that may be broke) |
| 22:42.43 | abrotman | andares: for which version of debian? what is in your sources.list ? |
| 22:43.17 | andares | abrotman: lenny, and my sources.list is the same as comes installed, with backports added. |
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| 22:43.42 | abrotman | did you try -t lenny-backports to install your headers? |
| 22:43.59 | nsadmin | andares: linux-kernel-headers shouldn't exist by that exact name. like images, the exact version string will be in the package name. |
| 22:44.29 | andares | I found the headers, yeah. they were just linux-headers-2.6.32-bpo.5-amd64 or whatever. |
| 22:44.30 | nsadmin | example of a version string is output by uname -r |
| 22:44.32 | andares | so it's all good. |
| 22:45.15 | nsadmin | do you have linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.5-amd64 installed? |
| 22:45.18 | andares | and it works. :D now to restart gdm. |
| 22:45.21 | andares | yeah. |
| 22:45.50 | nsadmin | cool, if that's also your uname -r, it shoudl build. |
| 22:46.20 | andares | yeah, it built and I am now seeing glorious color. |
| 22:46.41 | nsadmin | abrotman: so, dds no longer upload to ftp.d.o, and it's no longer used as incoming? |
| 22:47.14 | abrotman | you dn't have your own dns server? |
| 22:47.45 | nsadmin | actually I do |
| 22:47.48 | andares | w00t, and now I can access my ext4 partition. |
| 22:47.49 | jelly-hme | abrotman: here, have an o for that sentence |
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| 22:48.01 | abrotman | i have two already! |
| 22:48.15 | jelly-hme | alright then |
| 22:48.22 | lelu | hey guys, just a quick question will mv * ../.. move the contents of a folder up one level? |
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| 22:48.39 | andares | hm, it wouldn't be possible for me to go back to somehow set up an encrypted root without reinstalling, would it? |
| 22:48.49 | nsadmin | lelu, isn't that that redheaded chick from 5th element? |
| 22:48.51 | jelly-home | lelu: no. |
| 22:48.59 | jelly-home | nsadmin: leeloo. |
| 22:49.19 | lelu | jelly-home: well cp ./cakephp-cakephp-df6ffd4/* ./* -R didnt work either |
| 22:49.25 | themill | wonders what crack nsadmin has been smoking today |
| 22:50.13 | jelly-home | lelu: that one doesn't make much sense |
| 22:50.31 | abrotman | lelu: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 22:50.34 | jelly-home | lelu: what is it exactly you're trying to do? |
| 22:50.40 | lelu | jelly-home: im trying to move the content of /var/one into /var |
| 22:50.41 | nsadmin | lelu: put an echo in front of all that, run it, and you shoudl see why it doesn't work |
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| 22:50.49 | andares | is there a way to make ls more colorful, as well? I'm from gentoo and I miss the console being so multicolored. |
| 22:51.02 | jelly-home | lelu: mv /var/one/* /var/ |
| 22:51.33 | nsadmin | themill, none in particular... you? |
| 22:51.44 | lelu | jelly-home: thankyou, i couldn't remember the correct syntax |
| 22:52.17 | jelly-home | lelu: just one ".." is "one level up from current working directory" "../.." is two levels up. |
| 22:52.27 | nsadmin | safer might be: cd /var/one && mv * .. |
| 22:52.34 | themill | nsadmin: not enough of anything that helps you make any sense today, that's for sure. |
| 22:52.45 | DDRP | With Gentoo, you'll be waiting so long for your terminal app to compile that you won't worry about the colours ;) |
| 22:52.45 | fhffhqvb | is this UUID nonsense going to break LILO? |
| 22:52.49 | jelly-home | nsadmin: it's the exact same thing if no symlinks are involved |
| 22:53.27 | nsadmin | jelly-home, cd-ing there first is a bit safer |
| 22:53.39 | jelly-home | nsadmin: why would it be? |
| 22:53.59 | nsadmin | makes it less likely a typing mistake on the mv will cause much harm |
| 22:55.00 | jelly-home | one can as easily mistype /var/one or the other way |
| 22:55.40 | jelly-home | I'd call it move convenient if anything |
| 22:55.46 | nsadmin | true, but if you cd into the dir first, hit enter, then make sure you're in the right place before doing the mv, that's what makes it safer |
| 22:56.14 | jelly-home | nsadmin: sure, but that's not <nsadmin> safer might be: cd /var/one && mv * .. |
| 22:56.29 | DDRP | Try doing sudo rm -rf -v ./ if you want a laugh |
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| 22:56.39 | DDRP | one typo and you're doomed |
| 22:56.51 | nsadmin | DDRP: very true |
| 22:57.08 | jelly-home | DDRP: I resent the implication of sudo being available and configured correctly for that command to work at all! |
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| 22:57.49 | DDRP | In my previous role I was a Debian sys-admin for ~300 virtual machines..... and I only ever made a couple of serious mistakes, and I recovered from both |
| 22:57.56 | DDRP | so easy to shaft yourself sometimes |
| 22:58.09 | jelly-home | that's why we have backups |
| 22:58.16 | nsadmin | yeah, sometimes the shell is too powerful and too terse |
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| 22:59.02 | DDRP | Once I rsync'ed with --delete and a symlink caused a loop I didn't realise, because somebody did something stupid I didn't know about, and no backup |
| 22:59.20 | mohamed-ragab | hi all i want streaming Video from my vps , how to ? |
| 22:59.42 | DDRP | Once I shafted a critical billing MySQL table.... I could have restored but that would kill 24 hours worth of data, so I had to do a bit of column restoration + scripting |
| 23:00.05 | qwd | Could someone explain what this comment means? https://bugzilla.icculus.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4609#c5 What is it that I need to do? |
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| 23:03.08 | jelly-home | qwd: pastebin the output of ldd /path/to/executable/aquaria |
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| 23:04.11 | FluxD | Is there any difference between net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6=1 in sysctl vs ipv6.disable=1 in bootloader on squeeze |
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| 23:05.04 | qwd | Bah I solved it! Apparently I was supposed to download the debs from the link, I didn't know that was possible. Then just unpack the debs and move what's in the lib folders to the game folder. I already had libwrap0 and libgdbm3 installed but that didn't seem to be enough. Now the game runs! |
| 23:05.21 | qwd | jelly-home: thanks though :) |
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| 23:08.47 | alarmscript | can anyone point me to a bash script that triggers an alarm, that is play an mp3 file if my netbook's AC adapter is unplugged? |
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| 23:09.31 | jelly-home | qwd: the 32bit game binary needed a couple extra 32bit libs to work, because debian's all-in-one ia32-libs package didn't bring them |
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| 23:13.40 | Burns | how to create an account for postfix only without allowin shell access |
| 23:13.51 | DDRP | I use MySQL personally |
| 23:14.04 | DDRP | but why not just use /bin/false or something, as a shell? |
| 23:14.06 | Burns | can be used with postfix? |
| 23:14.14 | DDRP | MySQL? |
| 23:14.18 | Burns | yes |
| 23:14.22 | DDRP | Of course |
| 23:14.24 | DDRP | I'm using it |
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| 23:20.26 | Mr_Queue | I must be missing something here. There used to be an option to adjust the volume of the headphone jack past the default setting. Where has this gone? I'm on stable. |
| 23:21.14 | Burns | how DDRP |
| 23:21.28 | abrotman | Burns: why not just use the postfix package? |
| 23:21.56 | Burns | yeah to make an account I do adduser |
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| 23:22.06 | Burns | but taht one would have shell access and too risky |
| 23:22.13 | abrotman | Burns: why not just use the postfix package? |
| 23:22.28 | Burns | huh? |
| 23:22.31 | Burns | What package |
| 23:22.36 | abrotman | aptitude install postfix ? |
| 23:22.46 | abrotman | you know .. the postfix package already in debian |
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| 23:23.06 | Burns | then what? |
| 23:23.08 | nsadmin | are you running a system that has aptitude, dpkg or /etc/debian_version? |
| 23:23.19 | Burns | I have it already |
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| 23:23.33 | xyan | alarmscript: do it yourself! |
| 23:23.36 | Burns | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:23.39 | nsadmin | then presumably you have the user already for postfix |
| 23:23.53 | Burns | I didnt mention that I tried to mean mail user |
| 23:24.19 | Burns | Sorry, I got postfix installed and working, but I need to create multiple mail accounts |
| 23:24.22 | Burns | What do u suggest |
| 23:24.22 | alarmscript | xyan, valm! |
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| 23:24.32 | nsadmin | system accounts (which that would be) can be su-ed to by root |
| 23:24.43 | nsadmin | but shoudln't be able to be logged into |
| 23:25.09 | nsadmin | oh, you want virtual mail users |
| 23:25.12 | nsadmin | correct? |
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| 23:25.17 | Burns | Whats that? |
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| 23:25.41 | Burns | multiple mails accounts for multiple people |
| 23:25.53 | Burns | any better way than adduser account |
| 23:26.02 | nsadmin | these people are to be allowed to send and receive mail? |
| 23:26.13 | Burns | yes |
| 23:26.19 | nsadmin | each under their own user@yourdomain.com? |
| 23:26.24 | Burns | yeah |
| 23:26.32 | nsadmin | but not have shell access |
| 23:26.36 | Burns | exactly |
| 23:27.17 | nsadmin | you can look at useradd, it should have the flexibility to do what you want |
| 23:27.28 | nsadmin | they don't need homedirs I guess |
| 23:27.35 | nsadmin | or do they? |
| 23:28.06 | Burns | Not sure but there is always a Maildir folder |
| 23:28.22 | nsadmin | which would be located where? |
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| 23:28.35 | Burns | it's located in /home/account |
| 23:28.41 | Burns | files are cur dovecot.index dovecot.index.cache dovecot.index.log dovecot-uidlist new subscriptions tmp |
| 23:28.44 | Burns | inside it |
| 23:28.45 | nsadmin | which would be their home dir |
| 23:28.53 | nsadmin | so, they -do- need a home dir |
| 23:29.08 | Burns | ok |
| 23:29.29 | nsadmin | so you would need to write a script that makes these users for you |
| 23:30.19 | nsadmin | and you'd call it in a similar way to adduser theusername |
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| 23:30.39 | Burns | how |
| 23:30.44 | nsadmin | except you might want your script to be called addmailuser |
| 23:31.39 | Burns | ic |
| 23:31.58 | nsadmin | experiment to add such a user (REMEMBER to keep careful notes). once you've made the user, try to make another using the notes you kept. |
| 23:32.39 | Burns | ok |
| 23:32.56 | nsadmin | if both users do everything you want, then you would try to automate the process by writing a script that makes a user the same way as in your notes |
| 23:33.42 | nsadmin | how exactly (using what programs) do you want to let them access their mail? |
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| 23:34.51 | Burns | usermin |
| 23:34.56 | nsadmin | the answer to that question will show about how involved this is going to get |
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| 23:35.22 | nsadmin | so the user will run usermin to get their mail? |
| 23:35.50 | Burns | yes |
| 23:36.44 | nsadmin | how will they log in exactly? |
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| 23:37.20 | nsadmin | does this usermin thing have login/password handling? |
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| 23:37.52 | Burns | yea |
| 23:38.02 | poppiez | should I use crontab as normal user or root? any security issues I should beware of when running one another? |
| 23:38.36 | nsadmin | one thing I'll say right now... if you need this by a deadline, you might need to hire someone who knows exactly how to do the work and especially how to document it and how to maintain it |
| 23:38.47 | andares | hey, I'm upgrading to squeeze, and it says that it will have to remove gnome. should I be concerned? |
| 23:39.01 | nsadmin | you can install it again after |
| 23:39.07 | andares | okie dokie! |
| 23:39.10 | nsadmin | keep track of everything it removes |
| 23:39.18 | andares | I mean, it keeps a log, right? |
| 23:39.32 | nsadmin | it should. and so should you. |
| 23:40.12 | andares | done. |
| 23:40.12 | nsadmin | this log would be a part of your installation journal |
| 23:40.24 | andares | I just put it in ~/updatelog. |
| 23:40.56 | nsadmin | if this is your personal machine that's probably fine |
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| 23:41.28 | andares | yeah, it is. |
| 23:41.46 | nsadmin | but if it's a work machine, you want to keep track of everything you do to it, and if you installed the os on it, you want to keep track of every decision made during install, and subsequent upgrade |
| 23:42.25 | andares | just me messing around on my computer, really. |
| 23:42.48 | andares | installing 1400 packages yayyy. |
| 23:42.56 | nsadmin | that way... if something happens you can quickly reinstall, and save your job and potentially the jobs of everyone who also uses it |
| 23:43.05 | nsadmin | just so you know |
| 23:43.11 | andares | hm, okay. |
| 23:43.20 | andares | huh. |
| 23:43.31 | andares | "could not perform immediate configuration on 'iceweasel'. |
| 23:44.11 | andares | and then it returns to shell. |
| 23:46.33 | andares | how should I resolve that, nsadmin? |
| 23:47.30 | nsadmin | never had that issue... I'd purge and reinstall, myself |
| 23:47.45 | andares | but I just installed, like, yesterday. :/ |
| 23:47.46 | nsadmin | you may or may not have to go that far |
| 23:48.08 | nsadmin | well then doing the purge/reinstall of iceweasel should be safe |
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| 23:48.22 | andares | oh, I thought you meant of the whole system. |
| 23:48.26 | andares | oddly enough it's working now. |
| 23:48.43 | nsadmin | nono, if the system works you can keep it |
| 23:48.50 | nsadmin | what's working? |
| 23:49.11 | andares | oh darn, I think my root partition is full. |
| 23:49.21 | andares | yeah. |
| 23:49.24 | andares | :/ |
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| 23:49.35 | andares | is there a way to make it cache somewhere else, like on my /home partition? |
| 23:49.45 | nsadmin | what's the purpose of the box? |
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| 23:49.50 | andares | just my home box. |
| 23:49.54 | ufa | helllo |
| 23:50.08 | ufa | i canot install debian on my new inspiron 15 :( |
| 23:50.23 | ufa | grub gives me an error |
| 23:50.40 | ufa | is there a way to install it without grub and after install grub from a live cd? |
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| 23:51.05 | andares | oh crap. I think I may have just destroyed my debian istall. |
| 23:51.10 | ufa | i am using squeeze snapshot |
| 23:51.24 | ufa | maybe it is buggy |
| 23:51.26 | andares | ufa: what error does grub give you? |
| 23:51.32 | ejb | Can anyone tell me what package I need to install to have a Qt4 installation that qtcreator recognizes? |
| 23:51.48 | ufa | the installation tells me that it couldnt find /target/ |
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| 23:51.53 | ufa | and could not install grub |
| 23:51.58 | andares | oh, no idea, sorry. |
| 23:52.17 | ewae | get qt from the trolltech site |
| 23:52.22 | nsadmin | how do you know you screwed your installation? |
| 23:52.27 | ufa | maybe a snapshot bug, i will try to use the other cd |
| 23:52.48 | ufa | i downloaded a dvd, but it seems that it does not contain gnome |
| 23:52.53 | nsadmin | ufa: install using the stable installer, then upgrade |
| 23:52.57 | ufa | is there a way to donwload a cd/dvd with gnome? |
| 23:53.16 | ufa | nsadmin: stable, you mean lenny? |
| 23:53.23 | nsadmin | yes |
| 23:53.51 | ufa | i used the snapshot, maybe it is buggy |
| 23:53.55 | nsadmin | are you trying to test later installers? |
| 23:53.59 | ufa | i will try to use the alpha one] |
| 23:54.06 | nsadmin | or what has you using snapshots? |
| 23:54.19 | ufa | nsadmin: i think so, I downloaded a weekly snapshot |
| 23:54.29 | qwd | ufa: why don't you just install gnome from the repo? |
| 23:54.30 | ewae | ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/qt/source/qt-x11-opensource-src-4.5.3.tar.gz and then read the installation |
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| 23:54.44 | ufa | qwd > i need to install fist :) |
| 23:54.45 | ewae | help |
| 23:54.55 | nsadmin | ewae: the qt libs are in debian (in support of kde) |
| 23:55.22 | ewae | is it the last version? |
| 23:55.41 | ewae | sources are easy to install |
| 23:55.50 | nsadmin | probably not, and shouldn't be as it's been tested with the version of kde that comes with it |
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| 23:56.14 | ewae | sure |
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| 23:58.40 | ejb | qmake-qt sees a version of Qt in /usr/libs but I guess that doesn't work for creator? |
| 23:58.49 | ewae | I never had problems between qt and kde (except for kde 4). I know it is better to get packages but qt increased 4.5 is a lot better |
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| 23:59.19 | nsadmin | you're talking about a LONG compile... |
| 23:59.30 | ewae | yes sure |
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| 23:59.34 | nsadmin | first libqt and then all of kde |