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| 00:12.24 | damasceno | Someone here, did try use aircrack-ng? |
| 00:13.28 | bosyak | Hi all. Please advice software to monitor my Debian perfomance with RRDTool or JRobin via SNMP? |
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| 00:15.12 | r15 | hi, i was trying to login to my debian laptop using ssh, facing strange issue. ssh from other machine giving me connection closed instead prompting for password. |
| 00:15.32 | r15 | no pam, no iptables used. |
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| 00:16.51 | r15 | ssh localhost is working fine. auth.log is also not showing details |
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| 00:18.52 | r15 | dont want t restart sshd without knowing the issue |
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| 00:23.09 | bosyak | r15: you can ping it from remote host? |
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| 00:23.51 | bosyak | check MAC for sure what it is exacly your machine |
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| 00:27.24 | r15 | bosyak: i can telnet to port 22 |
| 00:27.35 | r15 | from external machine. |
| 00:27.48 | r15 | i mean from the external ip. |
| 00:28.25 | r15 | in debug mode, doing ssh gives me debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_REPLY |
| 00:28.26 | r15 | Connection closed by 122.177.161.106 |
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| 00:28.49 | r15 | 122.177.161.106 is my public ip. where i want to do ssh. |
| 00:29.24 | r15 | it always worked, but rightnow, it's not working, i am trying to find out why is it not working, before i reboot or restart the sshd. |
| 00:30.14 | bosyak | r15: try other ssh client? protocol? |
| 00:30.25 | r15 | in case such a thing happened ever on a server without console, it will be a big issue. |
| 00:30.51 | r15 | bosyak: i am doing ssh from a fedora 13 machine, external machine. |
| 00:31.14 | r15 | i even tried with putty from another network. |
| 00:32.26 | r15 | lol, someone doing brute on my laptop, but why am i not getting login prompt :( |
| 00:34.09 | r15 | blocked that ip, anyway, it's strange why am i getting disconnected when i try to login from external network. |
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| 00:35.18 | bosyak | r15: yes... it's trouble :( I installed debian yerstayday and upgrade it. And /etc/init.d/networking not working as it should :( Is it better use other distro? |
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| 00:35.59 | bosyak | r15: so someone tryed broot you? |
| 00:36.01 | dvs | bosyak: what does another distro have to do with a nonworking network interface? |
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| 00:36.27 | r15 | this is the ssh -vvvv to my public ip from an external machine, http://www.fpaste.org/RrfZ/ |
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| 00:37.52 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 00:37.57 | lenswipe | anyone know how i host a software source server |
| 00:38.03 | r15 | bosyak: well, i would stick to debian on my laptop, it's not a big deal, just some issue with the sshd, which i am trying to figure out, may be restart of sshd can work, but i need a reason why. |
| 00:38.29 | r15 | moreover ssh localhost is working |
| 00:38.35 | lenswipe | i want to have a web application on there and allow people to connect to it with apt-get so they can just run apt-get and it grabs the newest iteration of the web app |
| 00:38.38 | bosyak | dvs: it's problem not with interfaces... it's something wrong with scripting? I installed debian 5.0.4 and updgrade it during install. After I have changed ip dhcp to static ip and run /etc/ini.d/networkin restart... and nothing :( (debian inside virtualBox if it's matter) |
| 00:38.38 | lenswipe | anyone know how to do that? |
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| 00:39.44 | abrotman | !uupdate |
| 00:39.44 | dpkg | uupdate (in the <devscripts> package) upgrades a source code package from an upstream revision, or e.g. if the newest foo in debian is 1.2, and upstream is at 1.4: apt-get source foo; wget -nd http://foo.org/foo-1.4.tar.gz; cd foo-1.2; uupdate ../foo-1.4.tar.gz Ask me about <package recompile> |
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| 00:46.55 | luckz | what exactly is a normal vs a 'headless' jre? |
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| 00:59.47 | mroe | not really on-topic, but can someone take a look this and tell me what about the url is 'matching' the rule? |
| 00:59.48 | mroe | http://pastebin.com/nTVTcBCx |
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| 01:01.42 | do0ob | anal |
| 01:01.48 | mroe | where? |
| 01:01.50 | abrotman | wtf .. take it somewhere else |
| 01:01.51 | stew | mroe: echo "theurl" | egrep --color==always 'theexpresion' |
| 01:01.53 | do0ob | mroe: google-anal... |
| 01:02.03 | do0ob | abrotman: he wants to know why the script doesn't work |
| 01:02.13 | stew | mroe: that will show you the match in color |
| 01:02.13 | abrotman | use your words .. don't be crude |
| 01:02.36 | do0ob | http://www.google-analytics.com has "anal" in it |
| 01:02.36 | mroe | stupid filtering not being able to match meaning |
| 01:02.43 | mroe | thanks |
| 01:03.21 | mroe | so if I remove that from the regexp the google-analytics shouldn't trigger the rule |
| 01:03.48 | mroe | do0ob, thanks for the set of eyes |
| 01:04.01 | mroe | sorry if the subject was a bit racy |
| 01:05.30 | Dewi | mroe: or use a word boundary match |
| 01:05.39 | sweetpi | mroe: this type of matching is going to fail bad.. what if the url has "sourcesexternal" or something similar? |
| 01:05.52 | mroe | sweetpi, I agree, it isn't my rule |
| 01:06.07 | mroe | Danguardian uses it |
| 01:06.12 | mroe | Dansguardian* |
| 01:06.19 | Dewi | mroe: most regexp implementations have a way to ensure the edges of words are really the edges. This class of problem is also known as "the scunthorpe effect" :P |
| 01:06.33 | drokmed | dansguardian, what? looking around |
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| 01:06.52 | drokmed | loves dansguardian |
| 01:06.55 | Dewi | mroe: it's usually <word> or \<word\> or \bword\b |
| 01:07.02 | mroe | drokmed, their regexps stink |
| 01:07.18 | amphi | Dewi: haha, I ws just thinking of that |
| 01:07.35 | drokmed | stinks? compared to what other free product in linux? |
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| 01:08.21 | Dewi | amphi: there's an actual site mentioned a lot in ##windows called 'msexchange.org'. They must get blocked a whooole lot |
| 01:08.22 | mroe | drokmed, are you implying that Dansguardian is one of the better OS packages that run on GNU/linux? |
| 01:08.33 | drokmed | not at all |
| 01:08.59 | mroe | it is a decent package, but as I am finding out their regexps are bit sophmoric |
| 01:09.06 | amphi | Dewi: there was, briefly, I believe, the Microsoft Critical Update Notification Tool |
| 01:09.15 | drokmed | i love dansguardian, because it's the only free real time web page inteceptor and interpretor |
| 01:09.39 | mroe | that isn't true |
| 01:09.46 | mroe | but it is better than most of them |
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| 01:10.08 | drokmed | untangle doesn't offer real time content monitoring |
| 01:10.12 | drokmed | who does? |
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| 01:11.06 | drokmed | doesn't want to start a debate, but i'm curious what other free debian product provides real time content filtering |
| 01:11.28 | mroe | squidguard offers some basic filtering |
| 01:11.29 | abrotman | filtering of what? |
| 01:11.42 | drokmed | real time content filtering |
| 01:11.53 | mroe | abrotman, web traffic filters |
| 01:12.09 | abrotman | apt-cache search web proxy ? |
| 01:12.09 | drokmed | yes, squidguard does some, not in the same league, but someday, the will |
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| 01:21.24 | multi_io | wtf, I just found out that I can make my bash (4.0.28(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu)) crash by typing: foo'\<Tab> |
| 01:21.46 | multi_io | time to upgrade I guess :-O |
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| 01:26.39 | r15 | bosyak: the issue has been fixed, it was not with the debian, the issue was with the sshd_config, while testing something i changed the LoginGraceTime value. |
| 01:27.07 | r15 | i reverted it back to 120 from 1 and things are fine. |
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| 01:37.51 | drokmed | r15 u still here? just saw your discussion, looks like you restarted the service |
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| 01:40.31 | Moleboy | Hello, may I request some assistance in installing a package? |
| 01:40.36 | karlpinc | !ask |
| 01:40.37 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 01:40.59 | Moleboy | Ok, I need to enable nonfree repos |
| 01:41.07 | drokmed | scrolling up, same thing? |
| 01:41.10 | Moleboy | I have no desktop to do anything, so this is 100% shell based |
| 01:41.18 | Moleboy | drok, I lost the old window, hehe |
| 01:41.18 | HandyGandy | In apt is there a way to display a description of a package? |
| 01:41.23 | karlpinc | !non-free sources |
| 01:41.23 | dpkg | Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
| 01:41.39 | karlpinc | HandyGandy: aptitude show foo |
| 01:42.16 | Moleboy | ftp.us.debian.org/debian squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 01:42.17 | Moleboy | like that? |
| 01:42.29 | Devastator | I've downloaded a few files with svn as root, when I try to make as user it says permission denied, what should I do? |
| 01:42.31 | drokmed | Moleboy: i remotely ssh into all my servers, no gui here, so command line is the only way, so, what package are you installing now? |
| 01:42.36 | karlpinc | Moleboy: Sure. Then aptitude update like the instructions say. |
| 01:43.23 | karlpinc | Devastator: Either re-run svn or use "chown -R foo:foo somedir". |
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| 01:44.39 | drokmed | !ask |
| 01:44.39 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 01:45.23 | drokmed | !ask I have a problem with squid |
| 01:45.39 | karlpinc | !tell drokmed about msg the bot |
| 01:45.48 | drokmed | :) |
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| 01:46.36 | riversky | i messed my apache2 conf how do i reset everything back to default? |
| 01:46.41 | karlpinc | drokmed: We'll need to know more than that to help. |
| 01:46.46 | drokmed | !ask I have a problem with women not loving me for the full ten minutes I paid for |
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| 01:47.32 | abrotman | drokmed: knock it off .. it's not funny |
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| 01:47.42 | abrotman | !tell riversky about confmiss |
| 01:47.44 | drokmed | sorry bad joke |
| 01:47.48 | abrotman | riversky: the package is apache2.2-common |
| 01:47.50 | karlpinc | riversky: The easiest way is to "aptitude purge apache2; aptitude install apache2". In between you could look at /etc/apache2/* and see if there's any cruft of yours left. (There should not be iirc.) |
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| 01:47.53 | abrotman | drokmed: it's not funny .. stop doing it |
| 01:48.02 | abrotman | karlpinc: that wouldn't work |
| 01:48.11 | karlpinc | abrotman: Wrong package? |
| 01:48.17 | abrotman | apache2 is a metapackage |
| 01:49.07 | karlpinc | abrotman: I guess I should pay attention before giving advice... |
| 01:49.22 | Devastator | karlpinc thanks, worked |
| 01:49.25 | abrotman | he would have figured it out .. maybe .. eventually :) |
| 01:50.22 | karlpinc | Devastator: If you still have to think about that sort of stuff you may find the grounding factoid (/msg dpkg grounding) references useful docs. |
| 01:50.51 | Devastator | karlpinc thanks, i'm a little rusty indeed |
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| 01:51.53 | riversky | FUUUUUUUUUU |
| 01:51.59 | riversky | I can't get it to default |
| 01:52.16 | abrotman | riversky: which conf file did you mess up? which package did you confmiss ? |
| 01:53.08 | riversky | abrotman, ln -s /etc/apache2/sites-available/default-ssl /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ |
| 01:53.11 | riversky | when i did that |
| 01:53.13 | riversky | or something else |
| 01:53.25 | riversky | it gave me no virtutalhost *80 |
| 01:53.58 | abrotman | that's normal i believe |
| 01:54.16 | riversky | no it's not.. because my webmail shutdown |
| 01:54.27 | riversky | and now my server says The requested URL / was not found on this server. |
| 01:55.52 | abrotman | it's normally like VirtualHost *:80 |
| 01:56.05 | riversky | i messed up |
| 01:56.11 | riversky | i really need to reset to default |
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| 01:56.22 | riversky | or i'll have to reload my OS again |
| 01:56.31 | riversky | and start all over from imap |
| 01:56.37 | riversky | to all the bullshit |
| 01:56.54 | riversky | but when it comes to setting up SSL burns my head |
| 01:56.58 | I-are- | what will happen to my system if I install vlc out of sid while using debian lenny? |
| 01:57.01 | abrotman | i told you how |
| 01:57.18 | riversky | I'm gonna try it on centos |
| 01:57.23 | abrotman | use apt-file to find out who owns that file |
| 01:57.30 | abrotman | okay .. guess i won't be helping with centos |
| 01:57.37 | I-are- | will it make other apps harder to use until I fix my dependencies? |
| 01:58.08 | abrotman | I-are-: it will probably mess it up pretty badly |
| 01:58.49 | I-are- | abrotman, ok so do you think i will be able to backport the vlc in sid to lenny? |
| 01:59.03 | abrotman | probably not ... |
| 01:59.06 | Moleboy | To anyone who cares, since I bugged y'all for the past two days...Debian+internet+compiz INSTALLED! |
| 01:59.08 | Moleboy | successfully! |
| 01:59.11 | abrotman | judd: versions vlc |
| 01:59.13 | judd | Package vlc on i386 -- etch: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch3; etch-security: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch3; lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2; lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2.3; sid: 1.1.3-1; squeeze: 1.1.3-1; experimental: 1.1.4-1 |
| 01:59.22 | abrotman | i thought vlc was on dmm .. maybe not |
| 01:59.56 | drokmed | sid to lenny? |
| 02:00.19 | drokmed | I-are-: first of all, squeeze has frozen, upgrade to it, no reason not to |
| 02:00.39 | abrotman | there are plenty of reasons not to |
| 02:00.39 | drokmed | anything in sid is probably in squeeze |
| 02:00.54 | abrotman | total lack of security support is a pretty big one |
| 02:00.54 | karlpinc | drokmed: Wrong. Plenty of reasons not to. Everybody makes their own tradeoffs. |
| 02:01.01 | abrotman | tons of RC bugs is another |
| 02:01.08 | abrotman | some of them are pretty serious |
| 02:01.11 | I-are- | either way I need to be able to play m4v files in lenny, and currently I can not. I can with an ubuntu 9.04 live cd if I add medibuntu and all the other repo's in sources, installed gstreamer and they play fine. not so in lenny... |
| 02:01.40 | abrotman | I-are-: i'd imagine many people would use the DMM repos and install the mplayer from there |
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| 02:02.03 | drokmed | squeeze is frozen, it's getting daily patches to solidify it, it's close to being stable itself, so for people to suggest there is a universe difference between stable and squeeze frozen makes me wonder |
| 02:02.14 | jpinx-eeepc | is there any reason why ssb would work for a package like vlc in squeeze - which is not "officially" backported |
| 02:02.32 | abrotman | drokmed: yes .. there is a huge difference .. just because you don't understand them doesn't mean they don't exist |
| 02:02.42 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: just the deps .. a large number of them |
| 02:02.51 | I-are- | abrotman I have dmm and mplayer, and still no luck. I can get audio by no video. |
| 02:02.56 | drokmed | i understand plenty, u need to back off the personal attacks |
| 02:03.03 | abrotman | !u |
| 02:03.03 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 02:03.04 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: sure, but the ssb routine looks after deps.. |
| 02:03.16 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: it'd be a lot of work i'd imagine for VLC |
| 02:03.41 | abrotman | I-are-: there is a certain library .. but if you have dmm, why not get the gstreamer really-bad plugins and try that ? |
| 02:04.00 | jpinx-eeepc | ,depends vlc --version squeeze |
| 02:04.02 | judd | (depends <packagename> [--arch <i386>] [--release <lenny>]) -- Show the packages that are listed as 'Depends' for a given package. By default, the current stable release and i386 are used. |
| 02:04.26 | jpinx-eeepc | ,depends vlc --release squeeze |
| 02:04.27 | judd | Package vlc -- depends: ttf-freefont, vlc-nox (= 1.1.3-1), libaa1 (>= 1.4p5), libc6 (>= 2.8), libfreetype6 (>= 2.2.1), libfribidi0 (>= 0.19.2), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libgl1-mesa-glx | libgl1, libqtcore4 (>= 4:4.6.1), libqtgui4 (>= 4:4.5.3), libsdl-image1.2 (>= 1.2.10), libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1), libstdc++6 (>= 4.2.1), libtar, libvlccore4 (>= 1.1.0), libx11-6, libx11-xcb1, libxcb-keysyms1 (>= |
| 02:04.29 | judd | 0.3.6), libxcb-randr0 (>= 1.1), libxcb-shm0, libxcb-xv0 (>= 1.2), libxcb1, libxext6, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.3.3.dfsg). |
| 02:05.13 | abrotman | cute |
| 02:05.22 | jpinx-eeepc | :/ |
| 02:05.26 | karlpinc | abrotman: I thought testing was at least semi-supported by the security team, but then I don't really use testing. Where do I RTFM on this? |
| 02:05.39 | abrotman | karlpinc: the repo is there, but it's basically empty/useless |
| 02:05.52 | jpinx-eeepc | karlpinc: release notes? |
| 02:07.03 | abrotman | karlpinc: i'd imagine it will get more active in the next few months .. but if you need security support, i wouldn't rely on squeeze/testing/sid/unstable at the moment |
| 02:07.39 | karlpinc | jpinx-eeepc: I don't see anything relevant in the table of contents.... |
| 02:07.44 | abrotman | well, you should never rely on sid/unstable |
| 02:08.10 | karlpinc | wonders when security support is not needed |
| 02:08.44 | jpinx-eeepc | karlpinc: needed always, available only to stable |
| 02:09.09 | jpinx-eeepc | and oldstable for a limited time |
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| 02:09.46 | abrotman | karlpinc: it's a bit different when it's your personal workstation versus a server... hobby vs paid .. etc |
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| 02:09.56 | I-are- | abrotman, still only sound and no video |
| 02:10.23 | drokmed | sure, stable is considered the reliable source, and as testing approaches stable, it too is the goal to be reliable, so before our devs declare testing is now reliable, or after if you prefer, who really knows how reliable it is? |
| 02:11.05 | abrotman | still no security support, still tons of RC bugs, some of them really bad .. |
| 02:11.34 | abrotman | frozen testing is not a substitute for stable unless you really understand what you're doing and getting yourself into |
| 02:11.36 | I-are- | abrotman, although it seems that with vlc I can play the versions that I converted to mpeg2.. but still no m4v, so I guess it will just be easier to convert the other 12 videos. |
| 02:11.41 | jpinx-eeepc | drokmed: people install testing at their own risk, we do not recommend it. Those that do install it provide feedback, but need to know what they're doing. |
| 02:11.57 | abrotman | I-are-: if you run 'file foo.m4v' .. what does it say ? |
| 02:12.37 | I-are- | abrotman, what does that statement mean? |
| 02:12.41 | abrotman | it's a command |
| 02:12.47 | abrotman | run the 'file' command on your movie file |
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| 02:13.32 | jpinx-eeepc | I-are-: did you install the codecs from dmm ? |
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| 02:13.39 | drokmed | jpinx: totally agree, still, some of us do upgrade our production servers and firewalls to testing, when they reach frozen, to examine the security issues, and enjoy the upgrades, it's a natural progression, we |
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| 02:13.52 | drokmed | we've been doing it for years i was gonna say... |
| 02:14.17 | I-are- | it says 1. Introduction to Massively Paralle.m4v: ISO Media, MPEG v4 system, iTunes AVC-LC |
| 02:14.25 | karlpinc | jpinx-eeepc: Is there a factoid on that. I need to get around to doing that. |
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| 02:14.44 | jpinx-eeepc | drokmed: that's your choice, but to recommend it to someone whose expertise you are not aware of is bad advice, and not welcome here. |
| 02:14.57 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell karlpinc about dmm |
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| 02:15.45 | drokmed | ouch, pretty harsh |
| 02:16.14 | I-are- | jpinx-eeepc, you know what codec I need for m4v with debian lenny? I don't seem to be able to find them |
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| 02:16.47 | karlpinc | jpinx-eeepc: But how do I know what to install? (Sounds like a stupid question, but that's where my head is now.) And I don't have non-free enabled. If I were to enable it what would need to be done to install what's needed from that? |
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| 02:17.12 | jpinx-eeepc | !non-free |
| 02:17.12 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>, or are encumbered by patents or other legal issues. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 02:17.31 | karlpinc | drokmed: Blunt. But blunt is easy to type and easy to understand and so tends to be preferred. |
| 02:17.54 | jpinx-eeepc | drokmed: don't take offence dude ;) |
| 02:18.04 | drokmed | no offense taken |
| 02:18.12 | karlpinc | jpinx-eeepc: Yah. I know how to enable it, but how do I know what I need to install to make some random file play? |
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| 02:18.29 | drokmed | determining my response wisely... gimme a sec |
| 02:18.40 | karlpinc | jpinx-eeepc: Fumble through the apt search tools until something happens to work? |
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| 02:19.06 | jpinx-eeepc | karlpinc: tbh, you need to read the dmm webpages in the wiki or where-ever . there is a bewilderingg array of stuff.. |
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| 02:19.50 | salieri | hey howdy; is there a project that lets one apt-get install packages but for only a single user (non-root)? |
| 02:20.05 | abrotman | not really .. you can do it, but it's not very straightforward |
| 02:20.14 | karlpinc | jpinx-eeepc: Oh. Good. At least I can justify being bewildered. |
| 02:20.51 | jpinx-eeepc | karlpinc: make a coffee and enjoy ;) |
| 02:21.02 | salieri | dang, i thought i heard there was some sort of project that was trying it out, userland apt or something |
| 02:21.26 | abrotman | salieri: i haven't seen it in debian .. what kind of package are we talking about ? |
| 02:21.33 | drokmed | ok, not to sound like some elite, because i'm not, but i am experienced at linux, and debian, so i do forget others might not know what i'm talking about, here we go, in my personal experience, i find debian "testing" to be more stable than any other distro out there, won't name names, but YEARS of experience has taught us to trust our debian servers at the testing level, crazy? sure, trust |
| 02:21.33 | drokmed | testing? yes, watch out for problems, duh... |
| 02:22.18 | salieri | abrotman: it's not a pkg per se; probably my poor choice of words; i thought someone had done a userland apt-get or pkg manager for .debs; such that one doesn't need to be root to install pkgs |
| 02:22.25 | stew | drokmed: you are operating from a different definition of stable than debian |
| 02:22.30 | salieri | like say instalilg it in ~/local |
| 02:22.43 | jpinx-eeepc | !stable |
| 02:22.43 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or new versions introduced, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Lenny (5.0); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the current version (ask me about <security backports>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
| 02:22.58 | jpinx-eeepc | drokmed: ^^ |
| 02:23.01 | abrotman | shakes his fist at paulswm |
| 02:23.19 | drokmed | doh |
| 02:23.22 | riversky | how do i jump to a txt with vi |
| 02:23.29 | salieri | type / |
| 02:23.31 | riversky | is it like :search mytest? |
| 02:23.33 | salieri | then type the search |
| 02:23.33 | riversky | oh |
| 02:23.40 | salieri | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:23.50 | salieri | you can turn on the incremental search if you want too, tho i hate it |
| 02:23.58 | abrotman | hit esc, make sure you're in command mode first |
| 02:24.02 | drokmed | semantics, not trying to argue a definition |
| 02:24.26 | drokmed | anyone here a business owner? |
| 02:24.30 | stew | sure |
| 02:24.53 | CrazyFoam | does apache in squeeze have SNI? |
| 02:24.56 | stew | the instability of testing, that it is still changing by many packages a day, is one of the things that makes it quite unusable for me on a server |
| 02:25.09 | drokmed | from a reliability standpoint, I trust debian testing more than any other distro's so-called "stable". |
| 02:25.11 | jpinx-eeepc | drokmed: owned and sold many ;) -- takee it to #debian-offtopic |
| 02:25.13 | salieri | the only plus for testing is that it has flash :-( |
| 02:25.27 | stew | especially if i need to grab a security update from unstable, then i have to choose to leave testing or start compiling |
| 02:25.29 | jpinx-eeepc | salieri: I have flash working well in lenny |
| 02:26.40 | salieri | backports? or the hard way? |
| 02:27.03 | drokmed | nope, i'm done, no need for off-topic |
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| 02:28.46 | jpinx-eeepc | salieri: ii flashplugin-nonfree 1:2.5~bpo50+1 Adobe Flash Player - browser plugin |
| 02:30.06 | salieri | oh huh. when'd they add that? |
| 02:30.15 | salieri | i thought stable didn't have flash |
| 02:30.25 | salieri | (only in backports) |
| 02:30.41 | jpinx-eeepc | salieri: apt-cache search ;) |
| 02:30.54 | abrotman | salieri: that is from backports |
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| 02:32.39 | salieri | nod. |
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| 02:48.32 | CompWizrd | salieri: no amd64 flash support though |
| 02:48.43 | abrotman | it's back! |
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| 02:48.52 | abrotman | well, not sure about bpo having it |
| 02:48.56 | CompWizrd | abrotman: in the package, or the manual download method? |
| 02:49.13 | abrotman | NFC .. don't use it |
| 02:49.23 | CompWizrd | i downloaded the one from adobe directly.. works far better than gnash does, but flickers heavily on many applications |
| 02:50.04 | zinx | CompWizrd: Flash does have amd64 support again now |
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| 02:50.15 | CompWizrd | in the flashplugin-nonfree package though? |
| 02:50.16 | zinx | CompWizrd: flash 'square' |
| 02:50.21 | zinx | CompWizrd: dunno. |
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| 02:50.38 | zinx | the flashplugin-non-free package does tend to update when new stuff comes out |
| 02:50.38 | CompWizrd | i'm using the square plugin.. its pretty obvious adobe hasn't done much testing :) |
| 02:50.59 | zinx | well, Adobe can't code. especially their one linux programmer, who thinks you have to read back the framebuffer to do compositing. |
| 02:51.11 | zinx | (even after being told that isn't the case by, for example, nVidia) |
| 02:51.31 | zinx | nVidia even offered to help him out :P |
| 02:52.38 | salieri | CompWizrd: nod, yeah but i'm still IA32 |
| 02:52.58 | CompWizrd | installs and looks |
| 02:53.05 | CompWizrd | ah neat, it does get square |
| 02:53.09 | CompWizrd | at least on sid |
| 02:54.09 | zinx | CompWizrd: :D |
| 02:54.14 | CompWizrd | ill see tomorrow if it works any better than the version i had before then |
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| 03:27.04 | optraz | hi, when we deploy the war file to the tomcat, and we need to access the url such as http://hostname:8080/web_context. is it possible to not specify web_context? |
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| 04:04.14 | Krishnandu | Hi guys..!! I'm willing to try out debian. But which ISO should I download..?? There are many CD ISO's. Do I need all of them..?? |
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| 04:05.17 | Parsifal | Krishnandu: No, you only need the first one to install Debian. |
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| 04:05.31 | Parsifal | The others are only for if you know you need additional packages which are on them. |
| 04:05.49 | Krishnandu | Parsifal, Thanks..!! And for KDE I need the KDE ISO right..?? |
| 04:06.17 | Parsifal | Yes, that's right. |
| 04:06.30 | Krishnandu | Parsifal, Thanks buddy..!! :) |
| 04:06.35 | Parsifal | (You can install KDE later if you install from one of the other CDs, but for a KDE installation you should get the KDE CD.) |
| 04:06.55 | Krishnandu | Okies..!! |
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| 04:07.10 | Parsifal | Hope you enjoy Debian. :) |
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| 04:07.29 | salieri | hey parsifal can the same be said of lxde |
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| 04:07.49 | Parsifal | salieri: As far as I know, yes. Why? |
| 04:08.00 | Krishnandu | :) |
| 04:08.10 | salieri | neat, oh because i don't have the xfce-lxde debian cd |
| 04:08.14 | salieri | i just have a debian cd |
| 04:08.45 | Parsifal | salieri: After you install Debian, you can do "aptitude install lxde" in a root terminal and it will install LXDE for you. |
| 04:08.49 | salieri | nice |
| 04:08.58 | Krishnandu | I think we are able to install any DE of our choise regardless of what we have already installed....right..?? |
| 04:09.08 | salieri | are ppl using aptitude now thru and thru? (back in the day it was apt-get) |
| 04:09.24 | salieri | Krishnandu: i definately install any wm i choose over the default. yeah. |
| 04:09.37 | Parsifal | Krishnandu: Yes, no matter which CD you install from you are using the same Debian software repository, which has all of those DEs. The CD you install from just determines which is default. |
| 04:09.43 | Krishnandu | salieri, Ya.!! :) |
| 04:09.45 | salieri | Krishnandu: just put it in .xsession(?) but that's for wm's |
| 04:10.00 | salieri | i guess entire de's might be harder |
| 04:10.02 | Parsifal | salieri: aptitude has better dependency resolution, apt-get is mostly deprecated now. |
| 04:10.06 | salieri | wow. |
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| 04:10.18 | salieri | heh yeah it's been ... awhile ;-P |
| 04:10.24 | Krishnandu | hmm..!! Got it..!! |
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| 04:11.16 | MrRenegade | grrrr stupid marker line is making me mad ..... |
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| 04:13.39 | MrRenegade | hey guys i've new to debian asin just got it installed about 3 hours ago. :) and i kinda goofed and didn't install a graphical enviroment... but i got ssh working. altho i don't need a GUI since it is a server i installed it on. Would anyone here be able to help me on getting firewall rules and networking or can point me to a great wiki or howto please? |
| 04:14.27 | salieri | did you want a gui? |
| 04:14.43 | Krishnandu | MrRenegade, Hey are Renegade for TE..?? |
| 04:14.45 | salieri | aptitude install xserver-xorg i think will get you one |
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| 04:15.21 | MrRenegade | TE? |
| 04:15.32 | Krishnandu | MrRenegade, Hey are you Renegade from TE..?? |
| 04:15.33 | salieri | hrm these aren't ipchains days are they anymore huh |
| 04:15.49 | MrRenegade | .... explain TE not sure what your talking about there |
| 04:16.04 | Krishnandu | MrRenegade, It's ok..!! Leave it..!! :) |
| 04:16.20 | MrRenegade | oook |
| 04:16.24 | salieri | how much coffee have you had |
| 04:16.39 | MrRenegade | i think he needs another pot |
| 04:16.57 | salieri | MrRenegade: so basically you are supposed to use netfilter/iptables these days |
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| 04:17.53 | MrRenegade | ok so its a totaly diffrent setup now then back when i was using fedora doing ipchains? |
| 04:18.18 | salieri | yeah they changed it; ipchains is stateless apparently |
| 04:18.22 | salieri | netfilter is stateful |
| 04:18.29 | MrRenegade | hmmm |
| 04:18.34 | MrRenegade | intresting |
| 04:18.40 | salieri | uses openbsd/pf on routers tho |
| 04:18.43 | beardy | MrRenegade: http://people.debian.org/~osamu/pub/po4a/html/ch05.en.html http://wiki.debian.org/DebianFirewall |
| 04:18.48 | beardy | !interfaces |
| 04:18.48 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>. |
| 04:19.03 | beardy | !iptables |
| 04:19.03 | dpkg | [iptables] The user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter. Ask me about <netfilter docs>. For a proper Debian-way of setting up iptables, see http://wiki.debian.org/iptables . http://netfilter.org/ #netfilter on irc.freenode.net. See also <lartc>, <masq>. |
| 04:19.14 | salieri | oh nice, thanks beardy |
| 04:19.33 | MrRenegade | cool |
| 04:19.49 | salieri | hrm wonder why another kernel update... |
| 04:19.59 | beardy | You're welcome. |
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| 04:20.30 | MrRenegade | ok now since my router is atucly smart and i set this up a while back i can use dhcp for both my eth1 and eth2 but eth0 i don't use becuase for some reason it found the IL0 interface and it doesn't play nice |
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| 04:20.45 | salieri | oh ugh. http://www.debian.org/security/2010/dsa-2110 |
| 04:20.57 | salieri | oh man thank god i made it a standard to rm -rf all the irda modules. |
| 04:21.08 | drokmed-zZz | lol |
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| 04:21.38 | drokmed-zZz | u just tucked me in :) |
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| 04:22.08 | MrRenegade | hmm fun stuff |
| 04:22.18 | salieri | is the ecryptfs the default encryption filesystem the debian installer comes with? |
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| 04:22.40 | MrRenegade | now since i installed this system fresh today using a network based install to install from the FTP site do i have the lastest update or no? |
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| 04:22.56 | salieri | probably but |
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| 04:23.02 | salieri | do aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 04:23.13 | salieri | tho i am guessing you have the latest lenny. |
| 04:23.18 | MrRenegade | k .... have to get use to not using yum anymore |
| 04:23.34 | salieri | yep oh man or up2date ugh |
| 04:23.52 | ZitZ | yeah, it depends what you mean by the latest update |
| 04:24.16 | salieri | MrRenegade: you might wanna check "groups" on the user you created, it will probably belong to alot of groups |
| 04:24.22 | MrRenegade | 0 packages upgraded |
| 04:24.48 | salieri | dunno if you're used to that or not. |
| 04:25.19 | MrRenegade | well seeing how i'm going to be the only user and it never gets logged in i think its going to be ok |
| 04:25.43 | salieri | oh i thought this was your firewall |
| 04:25.55 | MrRenegade | oh no not firewall i use pfsence for that |
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| 04:26.27 | MrRenegade | that suckers locked down tighter than a snails ass ;P |
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| 04:26.52 | MrRenegade | this servers going to be used for web devlopment and testing |
| 04:27.05 | salieri | oh |
| 04:27.12 | salieri | btw i think in tasksel |
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| 04:27.22 | salieri | there might be a option for a LAMP server, FYI |
| 04:27.54 | beardy | You have the tasks in aptitude too. Use aptitude instead. |
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| 04:28.01 | MrRenegade | yeah i started installing lamp on this server but then relized hmm i might want the firewall rules to be in place since this will be playing on the DMZ |
| 04:28.51 | MrRenegade | but doesn't really matter too much since my eth2 interface isn't coming online with a dhcp address |
| 04:29.43 | salieri | hrm yeah aptitude makes going from lenny->squeeze nice (otherwise you get that hiccup where udev an't install b/c the kernel is too old) |
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| 04:31.27 | MrRenegade | hmm I honstly was going to install Fedora core 13 on the server becuase i have 2 other systems running it however for some reason the latest kernel update kills the install for fedora on this server only |
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| 04:32.18 | MrRenegade | but i took this time in looking at playing with Debian since i've thought about it but never have |
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| 04:33.30 | salieri | i like debian better 'n' fedora, centos, or RHEL |
| 04:33.52 | salieri | there's only one case where it's worse; that's if you're a user, no root, and you have to beg for everything to be installed (cuz the install is minimal) |
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| 04:34.00 | MrRenegade | sofar its looking like its a little more work on setup but its has more support than the others |
| 04:34.39 | salieri | yeah i have to keep logging in as root on a tty and grabbing random packages like binutils-dev or *-dev for stuff |
| 04:36.58 | MrRenegade | that all doesn't really bother me since i do most of my work even on the fedora boxes under and SU root style |
| 04:37.23 | MrRenegade | ahhhh i'm going to kill that cat got my allergies going i can't hardly see the screen now |
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| 04:41.49 | emerson | I just had set up debian and I'm tring to log as a sudo but the system doesn't allow me and always I have a message saying the I'm not in the sudoers file ? |
| 04:41.58 | salieri | hrm what do people here like to use for "podcast managing softwrae"? |
| 04:41.58 | emerson | what that means ? |
| 04:42.06 | salieri | there is no sudoo by default |
| 04:42.13 | salieri | not like buntu |
| 04:42.18 | salieri | you log in as root |
| 04:42.36 | salieri | if you want to set up sudo, you can install it and put yourself in the sudoers file |
| 04:42.53 | salieri | alternatively you can su - |
| 04:42.55 | emerson | salieri: how |
| 04:43.14 | salieri | apt-get install sudo then see the docs for setting up sudoers |
| 04:43.32 | salieri | er aptitude i guess now |
| 04:43.37 | salieri | aptitude install sudo |
| 04:49.47 | ZitZ | i use icedove for podcasts, this avoids installing an extra application, since icedove does my mail and integrates well with iceweasel |
| 04:51.36 | salieri | huh, nice. i didn't even know it that- |
| 04:51.46 | salieri | how do you actually get the sound to play? |
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| 04:54.18 | ZitZ | it opens in a separate player |
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| 05:04.50 | emerson | why I can't use firefox ? |
| 05:05.42 | Dewi | emerson: good question. Wait, no, the other kind. Because it's called iceweasel in debian? |
| 05:07.20 | emerson | Dewi: yeah I have that one ( iceweasel) |
| 05:07.41 | salieri | iceweasel == firefox /pheonix , icedove =tbird |
| 05:07.59 | Dewi | emerson: ok. We'd need more information on what the problem is |
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| 05:11.18 | emerson | another question how do I install a program like skype for instance |
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| 05:13.06 | stew | emerson: you'd have to get skype directly from skype, they don't allow others to redistribute it |
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| 05:14.19 | emerson | stew: yeah I know I have alredy the point is how do I install it after that |
| 05:17.16 | salieri | untar itusually |
| 05:17.19 | Parsifal | Relevant to channel: http://xkcd.com/797/ |
| 05:17.25 | salieri | don't they have an install.sh script |
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| 05:20.28 | stew | haha, not my fault, i swear! |
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| 05:29.00 | JasonPilton | If I have a torrent magnet link, is there anyway I can use a terminal command of some kind to download the torrent file? wget does not work. I think i may be misunderstanding something |
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| 05:35.54 | emerson | I'm struggling to install skype anyone can help me ? |
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| 05:37.59 | akfaew | yesterday i read some documentation on having two repos, the stable and unstable and installing only selected packages from unstable. i can't find it today, could somebody please help? |
| 05:38.36 | salieri | er |
| 05:38.45 | salieri | what are youtryingtodo with the repos |
| 05:38.57 | salieri | i usually set my source repos to liketesting orunstable |
| 05:39.00 | salieri | and apt-get -b source them |
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| 05:41.27 | stew | akfaew: you really shouldn't install binary packages from unstable onto stable. if you need something from unstable you want a backport: /msg dpkg backports |
| 05:45.02 | beardy | !skype |
| 05:45.02 | dpkg | [skype] a proprietary cross-platform VoIP program which Debian cannot distribute due to its restrictive license. Packages are available from http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/ or use the sources.list line "deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free". Not supported in #debian, consider using <ekiga>, <linphone> or <pidgin> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/skype |
| 05:45.20 | beardy | emerson: Their .deb works. |
| 05:46.31 | emerson | beardy: what ? |
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| 05:47.57 | optraz | how do redirect the url, example http://<hostname>/ to http://<hostname>/foo? |
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| 05:54.26 | folivora | Heya, is it possible to start virtalbox without gui from terminal or do i need GUI. ? |
| 05:55.00 | beardy | folivora: It's possible. |
| 05:55.28 | folivora | Could you tell me how =) |
| 05:55.31 | beardy | folivora: Consult the docs, I don't recall/have it reachable. 'apropos virtualbox' |
| 05:57.21 | folivora | found it Vboxheadless :) |
| 05:57.23 | folivora | thanks |
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| 05:58.04 | delight | folivora: headless starts your vm ... but as you can imagine from the name -> no view |
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| 05:58.26 | delight | you just have access via rdp/vnc depending if you use the oss version |
| 05:58.53 | delight | and even that is just the default ... can be disabled via option/switch |
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| 05:59.40 | delight | so I read your conv from the begining ... but maybe you will be suprised that there is no windows when you start with vboxheadless |
| 05:59.59 | beardy | folivora: See also VBoxManage, I think. |
| 06:00.02 | delight | i didn't read |
| 06:01.15 | akfaew | stew: thanks |
| 06:02.03 | folivora | beardy: yep, i don't need windows =) |
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| 06:08.41 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
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| 06:12.33 | ShapeShifter499 | ok I compiled/built wine 1.2 on my debian squeeze 64 bit system, on the same computer, when I ran ubuntu 10.04 64 and installed wine 1.2 from the repos... wine seemed to work better anyone know why? |
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| 06:13.59 | ShapeShifter499 | should I install the ubuntu version wine 1.2 deb package? |
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| 06:32.22 | sedulous | why is there no LFP package in debian? (Linux Font Project, has some nice bitmap fonts) |
| 06:32.29 | sedulous | or maybe there is and I don't know it |
| 06:32.46 | sedulous | http://sourceforge.net/projects/xfonts/ |
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| 06:35.26 | akfaew | squeeze was frozen almost two months ago. usually, how long is the freeze time? when will squeeze become stable? (like, a month?) |
| 06:37.05 | akfaew | i need some packages that are in squeeze but not in backports |
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| 06:40.47 | sedulous | akfaew: you can already upgrade to squeeze |
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| 06:41.08 | sedulous | even tho it's not officially stable yet |
| 06:41.31 | akfaew | sedulous: i need it on 20+ computers in a lab. do you think nothing will go terribly wrong with it's unstablenes?:) |
| 06:42.03 | akfaew | they have a shitload of random packages installed |
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| 06:42.16 | sedulous | i vouch for its stability with my soul & life! |
| 06:42.18 | sedulous | (NO!) |
| 06:42.39 | akfaew | just asking for an opinion, i have no experience with running unstable |
| 06:42.45 | sedulous | akfaew: you could try it on an uncritical installation, or a clone of an actual computer in virtual machine |
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| 06:42.59 | akfaew | yes, ofcourse i will |
| 06:43.42 | akfaew | people will want to kill me if something breaks though |
| 06:43.52 | akfaew | they will also want to kill me if i do not provide the packages |
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| 06:46.18 | sedulous | akfaew: http://bugs.qa.debian.org/cgi-bin/standard.cgi |
| 06:46.25 | sedulous | doesn't look too bad |
| 06:46.42 | sedulous | release critical bugs in only 7 packages |
| 06:47.04 | akfaew | i have only python2.5 from those |
| 06:47.18 | sedulous | (standard installation) |
| 06:47.29 | sedulous | RC bugs for all "main" packages: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/debian/main.html |
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| 06:49.22 | sedulous | akfaew: i'd say, try squeeze |
| 06:49.44 | sedulous | they will kill you in any case |
| 06:49.59 | akfaew | i'll upgrade three boxen, upgrade them daily and see what happens |
| 06:50.02 | sedulous | it's a win-win or lose-lose, depending on how you look at it |
| 06:50.05 | akfaew | thanks sedulous |
| 06:50.05 | sedulous | :D |
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| 06:50.51 | sedulous | akfaew: i'm using testing on a number of boxen and even that is quite stable |
| 06:50.59 | sedulous | with various users too |
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| 06:51.26 | akfaew | approx how many packet updates/week? what i'm trying to ask is: how often should one upgrade such a distribution? |
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| 06:51.38 | sedulous | good question. why not daily? |
| 06:51.46 | akfaew | and use dist-upgrade every time, right? |
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| 06:51.50 | passwordoff | How to define my working sound device? |
| 06:52.12 | akfaew | passwordoff: perhaps dmesg | grep audio |
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| 06:52.39 | sedulous | passwordoff: you can configure the default ALSA device in /etc/asound.conf |
| 06:53.59 | sedulous | akfaew: dist-upgrade when you switch to squeeze, yes |
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| 06:54.17 | sedulous | (it's now called âfull-upgradeâ afaik) |
| 06:54.33 | sedulous | however dist-upgrade is still working, as a synonym |
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| 06:55.20 | akfaew | but between two minor upgrades of squeeze, dist-upgrade or upgrade? i think i recall reading that testing should be dist-upgraded each time |
| 06:55.41 | sedulous | i'm not entirely sure to be honest |
| 06:55.45 | akfaew | ok |
| 06:56.02 | sedulous | i'm using the interactive aptitude upgrade which seems to be the equivalent of dist-upgrade |
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| 06:56.13 | sedulous | akfaew: do you have a package cache in your network? |
| 06:56.27 | sedulous | if yes, daily updates/upgrades are no problem |
| 06:56.27 | Dewi | akfaew: it will depend on context |
| 06:57.06 | akfaew | sedulous: in another network of a different school, on the wan |
| 06:57.29 | Dewi | akfaew: dist-upgrade is probably more correct overall, but for small upgrades you might have less trouble with safe |
| 06:57.30 | passwordoff | dmesg | grep audio show nothing |
| 06:57.43 | akfaew | passwordoff: try grep -i aud |
| 06:57.53 | akfaew | Dewi: thanks |
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| 06:57.57 | Dewi | akfaew: like I wouldn't stick dist-upgrade in a cron job |
| 06:58.05 | akfaew | passwordoff: or snd |
| 06:58.08 | akfaew | or sound |
| 06:58.16 | Dewi | akfaew: actually I probably wouldn't put any kind of testing upgrades in a cron job :P |
| 06:58.22 | akfaew | Dewi: yes, of course:) |
| 06:58.33 | passwordoff | akfaew: shows nothing |
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| 06:59.29 | akfaew | passwordoff: doesn't seem like you have a working sound device at all |
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| 06:59.41 | passwordoff | hm. But I have one |
| 06:59.43 | macrobat | akfaew: you might want to install apt-listbugs if you dont have it, then read the bugreports it gives when you update |
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| 07:00.34 | akfaew | macrobat: nice, thanks |
| 07:01.45 | macrobat | then pin the pkgs you dont want to update |
| 07:02.28 | passwordoff | Which one could be a sound device? |
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| 07:02.36 | akfaew | thanks for the help guys, i'll start the experimental upgrade in a few moments |
| 07:03.01 | macrobat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:14.32 | passwordoff | how to see the name of working audio device? |
| 07:14.45 | streuner_ | in ALSA? |
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| 07:15.43 | streuner_ | passwordoff: what kind of problem is that? |
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| 07:16.54 | sedulous | passwordoff: cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 07:17.35 | streuner_ | passwordoff: ^^^ if you using ALSA |
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| 07:20.02 | streuner_ | passwordoff: and the sound doesnt work? |
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| 07:20.26 | passwordoff | Sound works fine, but I need to know it's name in /dev/ |
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| 07:20.44 | streuner_ | why? |
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| 07:21.36 | passwordoff | to configure one program which doesn't work for a default settings. |
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| 07:33.51 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
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| 07:34.08 | ShapeShifter499 | how do I apt pin a ppa repo in debian squeeze |
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| 07:35.44 | streuner_ | dpkg, bobbitt |
| 07:35.45 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorena_Bobbitt]? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Lenny, Squeeze, and any other Debian system, "Debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
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| 07:40.08 | Dewi | streuner_: aww, bit out of date now |
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| 07:49.23 | ffrank | hi. i use a symlink to <pid> in /var/run to do locking in a shell script of mine. i notice that something erases that link before my script can do so itself (which, as far as locking goes, is rather awkward). is there some daemon that keeps /var/run tidy? |
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| 07:53.26 | Dewi | ffrank: maybe something removes invalid symlinks |
| 07:53.54 | Dewi | ffrank: standard practice is to use a pidfile: /var/run/<package>.pid |
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| 07:54.32 | ffrank | Dewi: yes, but frankly, i find files racier than symlinks. i guess i will just use a different location, then |
| 07:55.34 | Dewi | ffrank: I guess the contents is racier, but the file existence check should be okay |
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| 07:56.12 | ffrank | isn't the race constituted by the fact that existence check and creation are seperate? |
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| 07:56.44 | Dewi | ffrank: they aren't; there are file routines which fail on collision |
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| 07:57.23 | Dewi | ffrank: maybe not easily done in a shell script tho. |
| 07:58.17 | ffrank | Dewi: i see. thanks for the pointers |
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| 08:00.59 | Dewi | ffrank: set -o noclobber ; ( echo foo > pid ) || echo ERROR COND DETECTED |
| 08:01.29 | Dewi | ffrank: I can't say if that's atomic but it looks like it |
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| 08:08.57 | ffrank | Dewi: no quite: http://pastie.org/1178726 ;-) |
| 08:09.01 | ffrank | not quite* |
| 08:09.24 | Dewi | ffrank: aww lame |
| 08:10.18 | ffrank | Dewi: so, the "correct" way would be to open w/o O_CREAT? |
| 08:10.26 | Dewi | should be called sometimesnoclobber |
| 08:11.01 | ffrank | meh, it's near enough. just don't try locking stuff ;) |
| 08:12.07 | Dewi | ffrank: O_CREAT | O_EXCL |
| 08:12.37 | Dewi | (you need both) |
| 08:13.07 | Dewi | that one's actually documented as atomic |
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| 08:13.54 | ffrank | both must be set? or not set? because sh sets them - which makes this safe after all, no? |
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| 08:19.07 | ffrank | huh - reads as though it was. well, that's pretty cool, thanks again |
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| 08:22.44 | grifo74 | please help, i try download debian kde (stable), in debian page but the mirror dont work |
| 08:22.59 | grifo74 | kde debian page |
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| 08:25.28 | ImaginaryFriend | anyone to recommend a tool for monitoring bandwidth consumption by specific computers (by IP) from debian-running access point? :) |
| 08:25.44 | tarzeau | ImaginaryFriend: iptraf |
| 08:25.56 | ImaginaryFriend | thanks |
| 08:27.19 | grifo74 | please help |
| 08:27.36 | simonrvn | !ask |
| 08:27.36 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 08:27.54 | ffrank | grifo74: can't you just install kde via apt from your installed debian stable? |
| 08:28.12 | ffrank | i.e. apt/aptitude |
| 08:30.11 | grifo74 | i'm not a debian user, i like try i need change my linux and i wold like try debian in kde |
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| 08:30.43 | grifo74 | i go to webpage and when i clik download dont work |
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| 08:31.44 | grifo74 | another question remastersys let make a lice cd of debian to give to my friends or install in other pc? |
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| 08:37.05 | grifo74 | one question if i try linux mint debian edition it's a good idea or debianstabe is better? |
| 08:38.34 | macrobat | try both, you decide |
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| 08:46.21 | dancek | grifo74, try downloading with bittorrent if you can |
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| 09:05.24 | jil | hello |
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| 09:08.05 | jil | Please, How could I bind a special key sequence like "Altgr g" to a the caracter "greater than". I have read the man pages of showkey, dumpkeys, keymaps and xmodmap. The last one should allow me to edit my key table but i get the following message "xmodmap: unable to open display".. |
| 09:08.47 | jil | I'm running squeeze. |
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| 09:09.00 | simonrvn | uh, xmodmap is for x |
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| 09:10.07 | jil | that's one thx... |
| 09:10.57 | ziftex | Hi guys. Have problems that my Lenny won't restore iptables state after reboot, did a "iptables-save > /etc/firewall.conf" |
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| 09:11.10 | mikou | Hello, I have a www.mydomain.tdl pointing to my web page. But I also want *.mydomain.tdl to point to that web page. What should I do in my vhost ? |
| 09:11.44 | simonrvn | ziftex: you need to do something to restore it... |
| 09:11.49 | mikou | I tried ServerAlias *.mydomain.tdl... Doesn't work |
| 09:12.04 | jil | but then how can i bind that key sequence "Altgr g" to the caracter "greater than"? It's not on my keyboard and it's hard to do some XML coding without it ;) |
| 09:12.35 | ziftex | simonrvn: did put this script into for that task, but no sucess: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/615 |
| 09:12.40 | simonrvn | use compose key |
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| 09:16.16 | kaduk | Hi |
| 09:16.24 | kaduk | does anyone have previous "rubber" version ?/ |
| 09:16.56 | themill | kaduk: specifically what are you looking for? |
| 09:16.57 | jil | simonrvn but I'm trying to define that compose key.. |
| 09:17.17 | jil | maybe there a way in X ? |
| 09:17.41 | kaduk | themill, previous version of rubber package before last update |
| 09:17.59 | kaduk | themill, the one on debian snapshots is obviously too old |
| 09:18.04 | simonrvn | usually you map that stupid menu key or some other key to that. that you can use xkb to do that, or the newer console stuff (that reads interacts with x in some way) |
| 09:18.13 | themill | kaduk: specifically which version... you're not helping here |
| 09:18.23 | simonrvn | (if you dn't use x i mean) |
| 09:19.14 | themill | kaduk: also, it would help if you explain what's wrong with the package you have (and exactly what version that is). |
| 09:19.29 | kaduk | themill, it just does not compile latex files anymore |
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| 09:19.43 | kaduk | themill, somekind of syntax error ]]) which I dont know what it is |
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| 09:20.07 | kaduk | themill, also does not work (as it used to be) with very minimal most basic tex document |
| 09:20.23 | themill | still doesn't know which version of the package we're talking about |
| 09:20.25 | jil | ok |
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| 09:21.29 | kaduk | themill, do you know version of every library or minor tool that You have installed? |
| 09:21.57 | themill | kaduk: if you didn't know how to look it up, you just had to say so. "apt-cache policy rubber" will tell you. |
| 09:22.37 | kaduk | themill, it only shos current version |
| 09:22.46 | kaduk | themill, not the history of installed versions |
| 09:22.51 | themill | kaduk: remember that in running any release that's not "stable" you've promised to become part of the development process. That means working out what versions you have installed and filing bugs. |
| 09:23.23 | themill | kaduk: and you won't even tell me what that current version is. I could at least have a chance of working out what the previous version was if you'd tell me that much. *sigh* |
| 09:23.33 | mikou | No idea of how I could make *.domain.tdl point to the same place as www.domain.tdl ? |
| 09:23.52 | kaduk | themill, there should be a tool to track what versions were installed "upgraded from to.." |
| 09:24.09 | kaduk | themill, if this is not logged then there is no way to tell it now |
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| 09:24.28 | themill | if you're using aptitude, then it keeps a log. dpkg also keeps a log |
| 09:24.43 | kaduk | themill, I checked dpkg.log and nothing is there |
| 09:24.48 | kaduk | themill, nothing releated |
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| 09:24.57 | cusco | hi |
| 09:25.23 | themill | kaduk: are you even going to tell me what the current version is? seriously. I don't know how many times I'm supposed to ask. This is at least 3 times more than I normally bother. |
| 09:25.32 | cusco | my fstab contains an entry to mount a disk on /var/lib/mysql as xfs... I mounted it when I set it up |
| 09:25.40 | cusco | but mount -l won't show it mounted now! |
| 09:25.42 | kaduk | themill, upgrade rubber 1.1-2.3 1.1-2.3 |
| 09:25.52 | cusco | so I can be sure it is not mounted right now, right? |
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| 09:26.25 | kaduk | themill, according to dpkg.log 1.1-2.3 was upgraded to the same 1.1-2.3 and thats the current version |
| 09:26.41 | themill | kaduk: ok, thanks. At least I now know what version you're talking about and can have a chance of investigating this. |
| 09:28.07 | kaduk | themill, the error is 'builtin_function_or_method' object has no attribute 'new' |
| 09:28.26 | kaduk | themill, I am trying to build pdf from *.tex file |
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| 09:29.56 | kaduk | themill, I found in apt.log that it was upgrade rubber:amd64 (1.1-2.2, 1.1-2.3) |
| 09:30.05 | kaduk | themill, so I need 1.1-2.2 version that is working |
| 09:30.47 | themill | kaduk: the old version is available on snapshots (/msg dpkg snapshots) |
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| 09:32.12 | kaduk | themill, thanks I was looking at no longer maintnained snapshots.net |
| 09:32.32 | themill | yeah, finding a way of closing down that service would be good |
| 09:32.57 | kaduk | themill, works ! :) |
| 09:33.06 | kaduk | themill, thanks |
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| 09:36.36 | suw | hello |
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| 09:37.15 | Tyzao | is there a newbies FAQ? |
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| 09:37.52 | suw | I'm having a problem with apache, I'm using php as fastcgi, before I had it as apache module now all PHP files works correctly except html files which instead showing them I download them - how can I fix this? |
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| 09:38.58 | tholl583xx | i had a raid array/logical disk go offline and my xfs filesystem won't mount, but also I can't run a xfs_check as it complains that the filesystem is "mounted and writable" even though it does not appear in the filesystems list, any suggestions on how to make xfs see the partition as offline? (I dont really want to reboot the box if I can help it) |
| 09:39.11 | Tyzao | im looking to get a grasp for how to address debian |
| 09:39.27 | Tyzao | a general understanding of the operating system |
| 09:39.33 | tholl583xx | Tyzao: Dear Debian |
| 09:39.36 | tholl583xx | ;-) |
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| 09:39.49 | Tyzao | what i should keep in mind when installing new applications |
| 09:39.54 | Tyzao | how to properly install them |
| 09:39.59 | Tyzao | how to review what was installed |
| 09:40.02 | Tyzao | things like this |
| 09:40.11 | Tyzao | Dear debian, what is that? |
| 09:40.25 | ffrank | a joke. sarcasm check failed |
| 09:40.26 | tholl583xx | it was a crap joke, you asked how to address Debian |
| 09:40.35 | Tyzao | ah |
| 09:40.43 | Tyzao | funny |
| 09:40.49 | ffrank | Tyzao: http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals ? |
| 09:41.19 | Tyzao | any suggestions? |
| 09:41.34 | Tyzao | oh |
| 09:41.39 | Tyzao | the user manuals |
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| 09:41.48 | ffrank | yes. the user manuals. |
| 09:42.12 | tholl583xx | Tyzao: if you are coming from another distro, then I found the apt/dpkg/aptitude vs YUM/rpm cheat sheets helpful |
| 09:42.19 | ffrank | it's not quite step by step, but it'd well sorted |
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| 09:42.58 | Tyzao | ok thats good |
| 09:43.19 | Tyzao | what are the the apt/dpkg/aptitude vs YUM/rpm cheat sheets? |
| 09:43.35 | Tyzao | i am using synaptic to install currently |
| 09:43.42 | Tyzao | but I heard about aptitude |
| 09:45.07 | ffrank | you're free to pick you favourite frontend |
| 09:45.31 | Tyzao | ok thats nice |
| 09:45.41 | Tyzao | but honestly i have no preference at the moment |
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| 09:45.48 | Tyzao | to me its seems too diverse |
| 09:45.59 | themill | Tyzao: aptitude will serve you better than the others, as a general rule |
| 09:46.22 | Tyzao | ok so I should try aptitude |
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| 09:51.58 | granquet | I have a shell script failing with dash on squeeze, I'd like to use bash for this one, without altering the script or the system globally, is there, I dunno, an env variable I can set to define the shell? |
| 09:52.12 | poisonbit | rewrite it to python |
| 09:52.17 | poisonbit | is the debian future |
| 09:52.20 | poisonbit | is clean |
| 09:52.22 | granquet | yeah, good point :) |
| 09:52.24 | poisonbit | is enterprise |
| 09:52.33 | granquet | but I'm not maintaining this script, and we prefer ruby here :P |
| 09:52.53 | granquet | also, I would have to make it a restful application |
| 09:53.01 | poisonbit | is posible |
| 09:53.05 | poisonbit | just a case/esac |
| 09:53.33 | Nepherius | dose wine work good on deb , because from what i read its made for ubuntu and someone here said i shouldnt install ubuntu stuff on debian ?:) |
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| 09:53.36 | granquet | I can't alter the script actually, it's generated "on the fly" by rpmbuild or some sort of other script there |
| 09:53.41 | Tom01 | good morning dear sirs |
| 09:53.55 | poisonbit | granquet, $SHELL has the shell environment |
| 09:54.11 | poisonbit | but if the script is called as /bin/sh and /bin/sh is dash... |
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| 09:54.14 | granquet | poisonbit: yeah, but that doesn't SET the shell :-/ |
| 09:54.20 | poisonbit | all you can do is to call bash from dash i suposse |
| 09:54.56 | granquet | not possible too, or very hard, that would mean patching .rpm's on the fly |
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| 09:55.56 | Tom01 | My debian vnc server only shows a shell. Does somebody know how I can get the full gnome desktop? (Which seems to be running on the machine on another display screen) |
| 09:56.42 | Tom01 | x11vnc is showing the gnome desktop. But vnc4server (which is much faster) only a shell. |
| 09:57.00 | granquet | I guess my best bet is to bind-mount /bin/bash as /bin/sh, launch my script and umount |
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| 09:59.42 | poisonbit | granquet, if the script runs cleanly with bash as /bin/sh, that is an option to solve it... a bit intrusive (other parts of the system using /bin/sh at the same time) but should work |
| 10:00.22 | andyjpb | Dear Debian Peepers, I have a lenny desktop that I'd rather not really upgrade, but I want some packages in Squeeze, so I guess I'll have to... Do the upgrade instructions currently work seamlessly? |
| 10:00.39 | granquet | poisonbit: I think I remember that there's a way to bind-mount only for child processes, I'm not sure, I'm digging |
| 10:00.42 | ethanol | you can try backports first |
| 10:00.52 | andyjpb | Also, I have an etch machine which is rather sad due to lack of apt mirrors... can I upgrade it straight to squeeze or am I best advised to go via lenny? |
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| 10:02.02 | poisonbit | granquet, sorry, can't simply patch the sheebang of the script? |
| 10:02.06 | gribouille | hi |
| 10:02.25 | gribouille | is there a way to determine when a package was installed ? |
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| 10:02.27 | granquet | poisonbit: it's hard ... and messy, as I said the script gets generated on the fly by some rpm mechanisms |
| 10:02.35 | poisonbit | ah |
| 10:03.00 | poisonbit | gribouille, /var/log/dpkg.log ? |
| 10:03.10 | poisonbit | ^^ and rotated files |
| 10:03.49 | gribouille | poisonbit, thanks |
| 10:04.44 | poisonbit | andyjpb, first, a full restorable backup, second I think that upgrade proccess, notes, etc are for one by one version upgrades |
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| 10:05.12 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 10:05.19 | poisonbit | you shoul dtry to upgrade etch->lenny and then, when everithing is ok, lenny->squeeze |
| 10:05.34 | andyjpb | posionbit: I can't afford not to have a backup of either :-) |
| 10:05.34 | suw | exit |
| 10:05.37 | suw | ops |
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| 10:06.10 | gypsymauro | I've installed squeeze 64 bit but I can't get gnash working with youtube movies, any hint? I can see others little flash movies , there was a bug about cookies but I delete them all and still doesn't works |
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| 10:06.28 | andyjpb | ok.. that's a shame. Can I do it "online"? the etch machine is in colo and I'd like it to be as "instant" as possible from a services POV. The lenny machine is my desktop and I'm happy to talk all afternoon about it |
| 10:06.40 | poisonbit | andyjpb, if you have space in any partition, you can make a local backup before start upgrading... then you can restore using a debian-live |
| 10:07.42 | andyjpb | poisonbit: ok... would that be as well as my dump/restore backup? |
| 10:07.54 | poisonbit | sure |
| 10:08.11 | poisonbit | what do you need now etch->lenny ? |
| 10:08.19 | andyjpb | does the upgrade process go around taking each package out at a time, etc, etc or does it take everything down, replace things and then brgin it all up again? |
| 10:08.35 | andyjpb | poisonbit: that's the one I'm most worried about |
| 10:08.36 | poisonbit | one by one |
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| 10:08.44 | poisonbit | take a look to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 10:08.54 | poisonbit | change i386 by your arch in the url |
| 10:08.55 | andyjpb | ah.. excellent thanks |
| 10:09.06 | poisonbit | services are restarted one by one |
| 10:09.22 | poisonbit | the most dificult point is kernel/udev/libc and the reboot :) |
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| 10:12.05 | granquet | poisonbit: FYI, the package switchsh does exactly that, fork // unshare //bind-mount bin/bash to bin/sh. it seems to work pretty well :) |
| 10:12.55 | andyjpb | right.. thanks for your help... I'll go back to my planning now |
| 10:13.23 | poisonbit | It's not in lenny I didn't know it :) |
| 10:13.23 | poisonbit | good to know it |
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| 10:14.42 | ffrank | Nepherius: wine is for ubuntu? news to me |
| 10:15.05 | simonrvn | wth |
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| 10:16.43 | Tyzao | im trying to understand the package manager |
| 10:16.54 | ffrank | Nepherius: sort of like claiming Linux was designed for ubuntu ;) |
| 10:18.16 | poisonbit | s/was/will/ and return true |
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| 10:21.32 | Nepherius | ^^ |
| 10:22.32 | Nepherius | i was just asking .. |
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| 10:26.29 | Tyzao | wow aptitude is interesting |
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| 10:28.07 | Tyzao | so can I install anything I need through aptitude |
| 10:28.27 | amphi | Tyzao: you can use it from the commandline like apt-get also |
| 10:28.33 | Tyzao | it says "not installed packages" is that everything available? |
| 10:29.14 | Tyzao | and "vitual packages" what is the difference |
| 10:29.35 | Tyzao | ok so I can use dcl as well |
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| 10:30.46 | Tyzao | how do I seach in aptitude |
| 10:30.52 | Tyzao | find a package |
| 10:30.54 | dancek | Tyzao, press / |
| 10:31.12 | Tyzao | kul |
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| 10:31.53 | ShapeShifter499 | whats the difference between the "wine" and the "wine-bin" packages in the repos |
| 10:31.56 | ShapeShifter499 | ? |
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| 10:34.03 | poisonbit | ShapeShifter499, it's in the description of both packages |
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| 10:34.41 | poisonbit | in the long description (apt-cache show packagename) |
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| 10:37.35 | ShapeShifter499 | poisonbit, which do I install? "wine" or "wine-bin |
| 10:37.47 | jpinx-ee1pc | !wine |
| 10:37.47 | dpkg | [wine] Wine Is Not an Emulator, an application intended to allow execution of Microsoft Windows programs. Packaged for Debian. Application compatibility database: http://appdb.winehq.org/ . The beta Wine packages from lamaresh.net are not supported in #debian. http://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ http://www.winehq.org/ #winehq on irc.freenode.net. See also <mmap_min_addr> regarding use of Win16 binaries. |
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| 10:38.24 | ShapeShifter499 | I"m installing from the debian supported repo btw |
| 10:38.40 | jpinx-ee1pc | ,versions wine |
| 10:38.42 | judd | Package wine on i386 -- etch: 0.9.25-2.1; etch-backports: 1.0.0-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.0.1-1; sid: 1.0.1-3+b1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3+b1; experimental: 1.1.24-2 |
| 10:39.18 | jpinx-ee1pc | ShapeShifter499: that helping? ââ |
| 10:39.30 | ShapeShifter499 | not really |
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| 10:39.38 | poisonbit | ShapeShifter499, looking again at packages description... what do you need: "the standard Wine components." (wine) or "the binary loader program" (wine-bin) |
| 10:39.47 | ShapeShifter499 | in the repo there is a wine package and a wine-bin package |
| 10:39.55 | poisonbit | tip, thye second is a dependency for the first |
| 10:39.56 | ShapeShifter499 | what is the wine-bin package |
| 10:40.02 | ShapeShifter499 | oh |
| 10:40.06 | jpinx-ee1pc | ShapeShifter499: did you look at their website? |
| 10:40.14 | ShapeShifter499 | what website |
| 10:40.16 | Tyzao | i want to install postgres |
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| 10:40.28 | ShapeShifter499 | winehq.com doesn't mention it |
| 10:40.34 | kokand | better use windows |
| 10:40.58 | ffrank | ShapeShifter499: winehq is not concerned with packaging for any specific distribution |
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| 10:41.10 | stew | ShapeShifter499: the wine package is just a dummy package that depends on other packages, such as wine-bin, wine-utils... |
| 10:41.43 | ffrank | kokand: that can be overkill, but yes, it is often more desirable |
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| 10:41.56 | kokand | :) |
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| 10:42.12 | ShapeShifter499 | stew: ohh |
| 10:42.14 | ffrank | kokand: but try running ie6 in windows7. ies4linux does that for you using wine |
| 10:42.14 | ShapeShifter499 | stew: ty |
| 10:42.27 | jpinx-ee1pc | ShapeShifter499: do "aptitude show wine" |
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| 10:43.11 | kokand | i'm using debian squeeze with iceweasel, i dont need ie4linux |
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| 10:43.37 | ffrank | kokand: that's because you're not a web designer (neither am I, but some people have been known to be;) |
| 10:43.47 | ShapeShifter499 | stew: it doesn't say wine package depends on wine-bin |
| 10:43.59 | stew | ShapeShifter499: what doesn't say that? |
| 10:44.14 | kokand | ffrank: yes, u're right |
| 10:44.51 | ffrank | kokand: still, ie7 won't quite work yet, and cannot be easily installed in a fully upgraded windows and it's a major pain either way.. |
| 10:45.06 | ShapeShifter499 | stew: http://pastebin.com/jXPrKEX6 |
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| 10:45.27 | ffrank | so best solution is probably kvm and a dedicated win guest. oh, but the overhead... |
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| 10:46.35 | stew | ShapeShifter499: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 10:46.40 | stew | ShapeShifter499: that's the version from experimental? |
| 10:47.17 | ShapeShifter499 | I'm running a mixed debian squeeze 64 bit system |
| 10:47.26 | stew | ShapeShifter499: what do you mean by "mixed"? |
| 10:47.49 | stew | ShapeShifter499: you should not be looking at experimental packages |
| 10:48.11 | ShapeShifter499 | vary few amount of packages from other repos (like 5 or 10) |
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| 10:48.49 | poisonbit | ShapeShifter499, apt-cache policy wine # to know where it comes from |
| 10:49.06 | ShapeShifter499 | like the experimental repo I've installed iceweasel from it |
| 10:49.15 | stew | ShapeShifter499: well it looks like the one testing/unstable depends on wine-bin and the one from experimental depends on wine-unstable which depends on wine-unstable-bin |
| 10:49.29 | stew | ShapeShifter499: don't use experimental if you don't know how to figure this stuff out on your own |
| 10:49.35 | ffrank | ShapeShifter499: ew. you come from ubuntu right? ;) just kidding |
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| 10:50.28 | ShapeShifter499 | well I did run ubuntu before debian |
| 10:50.56 | ShapeShifter499 | well debian>ubuntu>then back to debian |
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| 10:51.11 | ffrank | it's all right. when mixing repos, you should probably use pinning in the apt preferences |
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| 10:52.39 | ShapeShifter499 | stew: no I know what I'm doing just was wondering about wine and wine-bin since I never saw the packages like that in wine |
| 10:52.53 | ShapeShifter499 | *wine = ubuntu |
| 10:53.01 | kokand | ffrank: only virtualisation can solve your problem, use xen or virtualbox. |
| 10:53.06 | ShapeShifter499 | sorry a little tired should go to bed lol |
| 10:53.07 | stew | ShapeShifter499: then read the package descriptions. this is what I did to answer your question |
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| 10:54.28 | ShapeShifter499 | ffrank: I've learned all about apt pinning |
| 10:54.36 | ShapeShifter499 | stew: ok |
| 10:55.21 | ShapeShifter499 | thanks |
| 10:55.30 | ffrank | kokand: exactly |
| 10:56.25 | ffrank | ShapeShifter499: good, it can be helpful against this sort of surprise |
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| 10:57.06 | stew | ffrank: how would it help against this sort of surprise? |
| 10:57.22 | ShapeShifter499 | ya just wondering that too |
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| 10:58.03 | ffrank | erm, good point. what will aptitude show when experimental has -1 priority for wine? i honestly never tried |
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| 11:01.55 | stew | ffrank: hmm, not sure about -1. with its default at 1 it should at least make him go out of his way to get a package from there |
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| 11:04.29 | SPF | how can I merge 2000 pcap files? If I do mergecap -w a.pcap OCR1_*_2010092410* I get mergecap: Can't open OCR1__78380_20100924101147: Too many open files |
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| 11:08.18 | keith4 | debian made xkcd again ;-) http://xkcd.com/797/ |
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| 11:12.51 | triplc | hi all |
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| 11:13.11 | triplc | is that possible to upgrade from 32bit to amd64 without reinstall? |
| 11:13.27 | triplc | i see in the aptitude that both 686 and amd64 linux images |
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| 11:13.57 | ffrank | stew: ahahahaha - mixed system, aptitude show coreutils says Installed: no :P |
| 11:14.12 | ffrank | the correct answer is of course, to use apt-cache show in the first place |
| 11:14.41 | SPF | nvm, found it |
| 11:14.49 | triplc | hello, if i installl linux amd64, then do i have the 64 bit server? please help |
| 11:14.57 | dancek | triplc, that would be a majorly bad idea and almost certain to fail, but if you really wanna try see http://teddyb.org/~rlpowell/hobbies/debian_arch_up/ |
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| 11:16.02 | stew | if i were to do it, i'd debootstrap an install on another partition for amd64 so that you have your 32 bit install as a failsafe |
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| 11:16.13 | stew | triplc: but no, debian doesn't (yet) provide a way to make this easy |
| 11:16.13 | triplc | you know, my trusted debian server--which've been up for 4 years, now have 4GB RAM |
| 11:16.21 | chamith | hey folks! |
| 11:16.25 | triplc | because of RAM upgrade sooo... |
| 11:16.34 | stew | perhaps for squeeze+1 we'll have something better |
| 11:16.44 | nepster | how we are doing today? |
| 11:16.44 | triplc | ok, so maybe i just go for 686-big mem (pae) |
| 11:16.47 | triplc | thanks guys |
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| 11:16.55 | stew | triplc: there isn't a "server" version of debian, so I'm not sure what you mean by "64 bit server" |
| 11:17.07 | stew | triplc: note that pae comes with performance degredation |
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| 11:17.20 | triplc | yeah... i understand. |
| 11:17.42 | triplc | i say server because it is the server in the company, not mean Debian server edition :-) |
| 11:18.04 | triplc | (the server box in the company) |
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| 11:21.32 | nepster | do you folk have any expereince with Accer X233H LCD with the Intel driver for linux? |
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| 11:22.29 | abrotman | nepster: what about it? we would probably need more details about your issue? |
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| 11:25.00 | chamith | abrotman: when using the intel driver with that LCD, after pressing the Auto button, the whole display thing gets screwed |
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| 11:25.29 | keith4 | dancek: that arch_up howto is phenomenal |
| 11:25.40 | keith4 | almost makes me want to try that in a VM, to see if it works |
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| 11:27.58 | at0m | hi, for some reason my Win machine (even with dhcp client service disabled) keeps requesting an IP from my debian server, and the IP avahi (or is it dhcpd?) is not the one as configured in /etc/avahi or /etc/dhcp3 ... as if it keeps finding some old cache somewhere. anyone happen to have an idea? i even grep'ed the old IP recursively from /etc/, and that doesnt turn up anything =\ |
| 11:28.45 | at0m | i realise there's 2 issues, the Win machine requesting an IP, but the other is the dhcpd returning an IP that AFAIK isn't set up anymore |
| 11:29.00 | dancek | keith4, me too, i just noticed that while googling :) |
| 11:29.05 | triplc | phew... it's upgraded to big mem |
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| 11:29.54 | keith4 | the performance hit for PAE is small enough that you won't notice, unless you need to squeeze every possible cycle out of your hardware |
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| 11:30.19 | triplc | yeah |
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| 11:31.06 | triplc | anyway, reading performance reports on google... i think that 64bit is better and better |
| 11:31.10 | petemc | at0m: can you see the request being made and responded to with tcpdump? |
| 11:31.14 | sweetpi | at0m: check /var/lib/dhcp3/*.leases |
| 11:31.25 | triplc | maybe more and more appls would be suitable for 64 but |
| 11:31.36 | at0m | petemc: i'm seeing it in syslog |
| 11:31.52 | petemc | at0m: do you're running a dhcp server? |
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| 11:32.04 | petemc | erm, s/do/so/ |
| 11:32.05 | simonrvn | at0m: /var/lib/dhcp* |
| 11:32.25 | at0m | hah, /var/lib/dhcp* turns up the IP indeed |
| 11:32.27 | at0m | \o/ |
| 11:32.36 | at0m | can i just hand-edit that? |
| 11:32.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh... can I force a certain connection to go on a certain interface? |
| 11:32.40 | abrotman | chamith: wtf is the 'auto' button ? |
| 11:32.46 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: iptables IIRC |
| 11:32.56 | ffrank | CutMeOwnThroat: or ip route |
| 11:32.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | just one |
| 11:32.59 | Tyzao | so if I want to install postgres |
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| 11:33.06 | Tyzao | just aptitude install postgres |
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| 11:33.11 | abrotman | chamith: oh, the one that's supposed to set the resolution? |
| 11:33.13 | Tyzao | and that will do it? |
| 11:33.15 | abrotman | Tyzao: postgresql ? |
| 11:33.26 | Tyzao | yah |
| 11:33.27 | chamith | abrotman: tht fuck is in the bottom of the LCD :D |
| 11:33.31 | abrotman | chamith: define "screwy" ? |
| 11:33.35 | Tyzao | but I want to be sure the postGIS as well |
| 11:33.49 | abrotman | !tell Tyzao about search |
| 11:33.51 | chamith | abrotman: it shows only half of the screen |
| 11:34.05 | Tyzao | i used the search in aptitude |
| 11:34.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | I just connected a new wireless router to the lan port and it's ot the same IP as the one I'm using the internet with via the wireless interace... so I'd like to conigure it |
| 11:34.09 | abrotman | chamith: because it's changing the resolution? |
| 11:34.10 | chamith | abrotman: happens only after you press that shit |
| 11:34.18 | abrotman | chamith: so don't press the button? |
| 11:34.20 | chamith | abrotman: looks like |
| 11:34.32 | abrotman | chamith: or rather .. why are you pressing the button? |
| 11:34.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | world.... the time hass come... to press tthe button |
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| 11:35.42 | ffrank | Tyzao: apt-cache search postgis |
| 11:36.07 | Tyzao | ok |
| 11:36.32 | ffrank | CutMeOwnThroat: the wireless has a static IP and the Ethernet has DHCP? |
| 11:36.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | ffrank, the _routers_ have the same IP.... I actually thought that would automatically disconnect me |
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| 11:37.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess the easiest thing is to do "ifdown wlan1", then then I can connec |
| 11:37.38 | ffrank | CutMeOwnThroat: ah. well, disconnect the new one, change the internal ip of the wireless, then reconnect and get busy |
| 11:37.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | but... that leaves me withou inernet! (he 2nd rouer is no connected to the ouside) |
| 11:38.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm |
| 11:38.08 | NOOBIES123445647 | SPAM SPAMNN SPAMMER RIGHT HERE MUTHERFUCKER ASSHOLE ASSFUCKERS<---------- aaronyy abrotman AbsintheSyringe abysed adrakoa Adriaan aef Agiofws aindilis akfaew allan8904 Allein allisterb AmberJ amee2k amgarching Amorphous amphi amsterdam andatche angal AntiSpamMeta ApEtc apt ApTek aravind arcsky Argafal Arrowmaster asaleem_ Ashhh aste Cadavre Caelum CAiRO__ CalebRipley Carnophage Celelibi ChanServ Chell Cleo CodeNinja ColdFyre |
| 11:38.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | maybe.... |
| 11:38.25 | abrotman | shocker .. didn't see that coming |
| 11:38.44 | ffrank | abrotman: meh :) |
| 11:38.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | reaction under 1 second was pretty good, though |
| 11:39.03 | abrotman | it's a bot |
| 11:39.08 | chamith | abrotman: curiosity |
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| 11:39.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | at least my client shows the same second for the kline as the message |
| 11:39.29 | abrotman | chamith: X should already pick the best resolution .. no idea what kind of signal hitting that button does for X |
| 11:39.42 | abrotman | chamith: you might want to try using xrandr or grandr to set it back to normal |
| 11:40.26 | ffrank | CutMeOwnThroat: of course, this will work only if your router can be reconfigured wrt. LAN IP |
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| 11:41.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | the connecting computers get the gateway from dhcp, I guess? |
| 11:41.13 | Adriaan | hm. they should update irc to prevent highlighting if someone says more than x names in the channel in one sentence |
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| 11:41.22 | Adriaan | xchat |
| 11:41.57 | abrotman | Adriaan: it might be legit .. like when they use the !ops command |
| 11:41.58 | ffrank | CutMeOwnThroat: if you don't know any better, than it's probably so :) |
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| 11:42.12 | chamith | abrotman: xrandr didn't work |
| 11:42.19 | abrotman | 'didn't work" how ? |
| 11:42.34 | chamith | abrotman: it's not a resolution issue |
| 11:42.36 | abrotman | does it give an error? or just not reset it correctly |
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| 11:42.56 | chamith | abrotman: when pressed you can't see the half of the actual screen |
| 11:42.57 | abrotman | chamith: so the video card just stops displaying half the screen? |
| 11:43.08 | abrotman | oh .. hell if i know then .. i thought it was a resolution issue .. maybe ask #xorg .. sorry |
| 11:43.18 | abrotman | would just stop hitting the button |
| 11:43.25 | abrotman | :) |
| 11:43.27 | chamith | abrotman: video card displays, but the LCD doesn't |
| 11:43.40 | abrotman | chamith: tried with another display and/or video card? |
| 11:44.02 | chamith | abrotman: works fine with everything other than accer X233H |
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| 11:45.09 | keith4 | bad EDID? |
| 11:45.19 | abrotman | it might be .. but i'm not sure if Xorg could even fix that |
| 11:45.27 | keith4 | there is a way, actually |
| 11:46.00 | keith4 | i think you can dump it, unpack it, fix it, and tell xorg to use your modified one. or maybe that was the nvidia driver? |
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| 11:48.05 | keith4 | chamith: install/run 'read-edid' and see if you can get a look at the EDID that xorg is seeing |
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| 11:58.05 | starke | hey anybody have any idea why i cant ping my xbox but be able ping my ps3 even though they are both on the same switch? |
| 11:58.25 | abrotman | xbox has a windows firewall ? |
| 11:58.44 | xand | what's that got to do with debian :| |
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| 12:00.05 | xand | bah linode setup debian in a horrid way |
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| 12:00.38 | ffrank | starke: or the xbox just isn't configured to answer ICMP |
| 12:00.49 | starke | xand, because im on squeeze and want to figure out if there is a weird firewall setting that i dont know about |
| 12:01.07 | xand | starke: no. |
| 12:01.24 | xand | there is no firewall enabled by default, and if there was, it wouldn't do that |
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| 12:02.19 | abrotman | starke: that would make sense if you couldn't ping anything .. but that's not the case |
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| 12:06.09 | redax | hi |
| 12:06.56 | redax | what is the best way to configure a dual nameserver? ie. same domain differs for internal and external queries? |
| 12:07.24 | redax | shall I run two named with two different configdir? |
| 12:07.40 | tomodachi | redax: we use two separate dns:es for our company |
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| 12:07.45 | tomodachi | one on the inside |
| 12:07.48 | tomodachi | then one on the outside |
| 12:08.12 | redax | ok. I see. but what if I have to use 1 debian box for both :-( |
| 12:08.27 | ffrank | redax: isn't that what zones are for? (i have no idea, really) |
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| 12:08.31 | tomodachi | internal hosts could be prefixed with "int" |
| 12:08.35 | tomodachi | int.ourcompany.com |
| 12:08.37 | tomodachi | on the inside |
| 12:08.47 | tomodachi | host1.int.ourcompany.com |
| 12:08.52 | tomodachi | host1.ourcompany.com for external |
| 12:09.24 | redax | hm . mail.company.com should point to the internal address when quering from internally |
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| 12:12.59 | D4rKr0W | does anyone know if offlineimap will allow me to download mail from an account and then sync it to another? |
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| 12:13.50 | ffrank | redax: are you sure that's even a good idea? |
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| 12:14.42 | ffrank | redax: I agree with tomodachi in that internal addresses should be resolved only by internal names |
| 12:15.30 | abrotman | D4rKr0W: i think there's an imapmove or something like that |
| 12:16.13 | D4rKr0W | abrotman: yeah, i need to move some mail from a gmail account to another :s |
| 12:16.17 | D4rKr0W | i'll look into it, thanks |
| 12:17.17 | jpinx-eeepc | D4rKr0W: gmail have lots of their own tools for that kind of job |
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| 12:17.32 | D4rKr0W | such as? |
| 12:17.36 | starke | hmmm 360 supports icmp protocol |
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| 12:17.43 | jpinx-eeepc | takea look through googleapps |
| 12:17.45 | abrotman | D4rKr0W: imapsync is one i see |
| 12:18.09 | abrotman | D4rKr0W: never used it .. so that's all i know :) |
| 12:18.12 | D4rKr0W | jpinx-eeepc: that one has been discontinued i think |
| 12:18.35 | D4rKr0W | abrotman: i can backup with offlineimap in Maildir pretty easily |
| 12:18.47 | D4rKr0W | the real issue is moving that into the new account |
| 12:18.51 | abrotman | D4rKr0W: imapsync lets you snyc between imap servers |
| 12:19.02 | jpinx-eeepc | D4rKr0W: take a look through their apps - there is a lot |
| 12:19.04 | D4rKr0W | oh |
| 12:19.06 | D4rKr0W | thats nice |
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| 12:20.28 | ffrank | starke: is the 360 running linux? |
| 12:20.40 | starke | no |
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| 12:21.01 | ffrank | starke: does tcpdump icmp tell you anything during pinging? (probably not) |
| 12:21.14 | starke | nope |
| 12:21.23 | ffrank | starke: the xbox may very well run some firewall |
| 12:21.34 | abrotman | starke: why is this a #debian problem? ask Microsoft why it doesn't work on their stuff |
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| 12:22.45 | D4rKr0W | damn, lenny has imapsync_1.252 and gmail imap is supported from 1.286 |
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| 12:22.56 | abrotman | !tell D4rKr0W about ssb |
| 12:23.16 | D4rKr0W | no backports and imapsync/testing wants me to update a perl library |
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| 12:23.57 | abrotman | D4rKr0W: create your own backport .. read what the bot told you |
| 12:24.40 | ffrank | or update a perl library :) |
| 12:24.49 | abrotman | that might cascade |
| 12:25.00 | ethanol | D4rKr0W: uh dude, I don't know about you, but my gmail shows a import mail link right at the top side of the screen |
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| 12:25.09 | ffrank | abrotman: wouldn't it have said so already then? |
| 12:25.09 | ethanol | D4rKr0W: fill in your details of the other gmail account. tada done. |
| 12:25.14 | abrotman | ethanol: i think he's trying to export out of gmail |
| 12:25.23 | starke | abrotman, because you can ping it under linux |
| 12:25.24 | abrotman | ffrank: depends how far he went with it |
| 12:25.27 | ethanol | he said from a gmail account to another |
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| 12:25.36 | D4rKr0W | from a gmail account to a google apps one |
| 12:25.36 | abrotman | ethanol: that would be export .. not import |
| 12:25.36 | starke | abrotman, i have done it before |
| 12:25.49 | ethanol | abrotman: it would be both |
| 12:25.49 | abrotman | starke: you can ping other machines from your Debian box .. |
| 12:26.00 | D4rKr0W | i'm not really confident in compiling my own stuff :( |
| 12:26.02 | abrotman | ethanol: so that tool allows him to export via IMAP to another server? |
| 12:26.09 | ffrank | starke: agreed, the problem is most certainly not with your Squeeze |
| 12:26.09 | D4rKr0W | i'd rather just use packages from the repos |
| 12:26.25 | ethanol | he says to a google apps one |
| 12:26.35 | ethanol | why would google apps not have it where gmail does? |
| 12:26.41 | ethanol | s/where/when/ |
| 12:26.44 | abrotman | vendor lockin? |
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| 12:27.06 | D4rKr0W | ethanol: i don't really see that link, could you be more specific? |
| 12:27.17 | D4rKr0W | oh, the import one? |
| 12:27.18 | ethanol | D4rKr0W: topside I have : Import mail & contacts New! | Settings | Help | Sign out |
| 12:27.20 | D4rKr0W | :o |
| 12:27.27 | D4rKr0W | yeah i didn't notice :o |
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| 12:27.41 | D4rKr0W | its NEW! :D |
| 12:27.46 | ethanol | that it is indeed |
| 12:28.48 | ffrank | apt-get update && apt-get install gmail-web-interface :) |
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| 12:29.42 | abrotman | you mean aptitude? |
| 12:29.51 | ethanol | ffrank: E: Couldn't find package :) |
| 12:30.24 | ffrank | abrotman: no, i don't dig that |
| 12:30.42 | ethanol | ffrank: aptitude is a lot better though.. |
| 12:30.49 | ffrank | uses aptosid, actually |
| 12:30.51 | starke | k now my 360 is saying there is a firewall blocking it |
| 12:31.07 | ethanol | starke: that's because you should trash it and get a ps3. |
| 12:31.18 | starke | ethanol, i do have a ps3 |
| 12:31.21 | abrotman | or at least stop bugging #debian with an xbox issue |
| 12:31.27 | ethanol | then quit wasting time on your 360 |
| 12:31.49 | ffrank | i'm aware of the virtues of aptitude, but i save it for that special occasion ;) |
| 12:32.09 | abrotman | ffrank: did you ever think if you used it all the time you wouldn't need it for special occasions? |
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| 12:33.18 | ffrank | abrotman: i cant, it's supposedly not up to the task of handling sid right |
| 12:33.29 | abrotman | funny .. lots of people use it |
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| 12:34.30 | ffrank | on sid? i see. well, the aptosid manual warned against it, so i stick to apt mostly |
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| 12:34.52 | abrotman | i have no idea what 'apttosid' is .. sounds dumb :) |
| 12:35.06 | ffrank | it used to be "sidux" |
| 12:35.22 | abrotman | oh .. apttosid isn't debian .. no wonder they don't have a clue |
| 12:35.24 | ffrank | and it's quite good, actaully, i recommend it a lot |
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| 12:35.40 | abrotman | ffrank: please use aptitude when giving commands in the Debian channel .. apttosid is NOT Debian |
| 12:37.19 | ffrank | "apto" :) and i don't think i should be blamed for prefering apt. best practices are a good thing, but shouldn't be a religion i think |
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| 12:37.56 | abrotman | that's nice .. Debian recommends aptitude .. please use it when giving instructions |
| 12:38.02 | abrotman | at least in this channel |
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| 12:42.16 | ffrank | tell that to my fingers ;) |
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| 12:42.44 | abrotman | that's an option |
| 12:43.57 | ffrank | what i mean is - my fingers must yet learn to type "aptitude" when i think of packages |
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| 12:45.22 | slidesinger | abrotman: Why does debian recommend aptitude? |
| 12:45.37 | jelly | slidesinger: /msg dpkg why aptitude |
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| 12:46.52 | slidesinger | Interesting. |
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| 12:47.35 | nogo | apt, aptitude and synaptic, which is the best? |
| 12:47.36 | apt | nogo: I think you lost me on that one |
| 12:47.39 | Rajasun | I don't know about others but I swear by aptitude. It has bailed me out of a couple of potentially nasty dist-upgrades. |
| 12:48.00 | nogo | apt, are you a bot? |
| 12:48.13 | Rajasun | it is |
| 12:48.20 | nogo | i think so |
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| 12:52.08 | D4rKr0W | it's true though that it manages packages better than apt |
| 12:52.18 | D4rKr0W | at least from what ive seen so far |
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| 12:53.10 | ironfroggy_ | How can I use update-grub from a liveCD so that I can repair the installation on the host machine? |
| 12:53.18 | ironfroggy_ | or whatever similar thing i need to do. |
| 12:54.12 | babilen | nogo: Ask dpkg about "why aptitude" and "why not aptitude" .. I prefer aptitude (ncurses/cli) to apt-get, because I like its interactive resolver (and the algorithms behind it) and because I have used it ever since. |
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| 12:59.21 | D4rKr0W | does anyone know how to tell an LDAP server which attributes to index? |
| 13:00.53 | nogo | i don't use ldap since years ago |
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| 13:03.29 | epifanio_ | hello All |
| 13:04.07 | epifanio_ | have you any clue on what i need to whach tv on my debian desktop ? i meaans using vlc |
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| 13:04.23 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 13:04.43 | granquet | epifanio_: well, you need vlc. |
| 13:04.46 | epifanio_ | i tried to run : http://www.istitutomajorana.it/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=987&Itemid=33 .. but it is only ubuntu |
| 13:04.49 | johnfg | just noticed some strange behavior in epiphany under lenny with latest updates. |
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| 13:05.10 | johnfg | When I first use it, in a login session all seems to be fine. |
| 13:05.15 | jelly | epifanio_: vlc is enough for a typical udp multicast iptv stream |
| 13:05.39 | johnfg | After going a couple of sites, or clicking on a link in an email, it just hangs on a blank page. |
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| 13:06.25 | johnfg | I can use iceweasel and it's all good, but what's up with epiphany? |
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| 13:06.46 | abrotman | what about it? |
| 13:06.58 | abrotman | johnfg: epiphany has two modes .. gecko and webkit |
| 13:07.32 | nogo | it sounds like a multi-core browser |
| 13:08.01 | nogo | i happened to use a three-core browser on windows |
| 13:08.27 | johnfg | abrotman, Is it configured with debconf and which is the better mode? |
| 13:08.48 | nogo | gecko? |
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| 13:09.28 | abrotman | johnfg: just depends which packages you install .. aptitude search epiphany .. you'll see what i mean |
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| 13:09.46 | D4rKr0W | nogo: how come, it's awesome |
| 13:10.29 | nogo | gecho is the fastest on any platform, in my experience |
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| 13:11.56 | Rajasun | The last time (late last year) I tried the webkit backend one, it sucks horribly rendering Chinese BIG5 pages. As far as I know, development for gecko one has been stopped. |
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| 13:12.49 | johnfg | The gecko version is what I've got installed. |
| 13:13.03 | johnfg | What version is in squeeze? |
| 13:13.37 | nogo | so, don't use mandarin at all |
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| 13:13.58 | epifanio_ | granquet: i opened vlc .. insert the link in the ' open stream' dialog : http://mediapolis.rai.it/relinker/relinkerServlet.htm?cont=983 |
| 13:14.27 | epifanio_ | can yu try yourself .. if the link i-m using .. works for you too ? |
| 13:15.03 | Rajasun | nogo: I'm an ethnic Chinese. |
| 13:15.51 | nogo | that's your problem |
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| 13:16.14 | abrotman | wtf |
| 13:16.14 | stew | uhh, let's please keep it constructive |
| 13:16.30 | nogo | i removed all glitch-looking chinese fonts, and my utf-8 is still working |
| 13:16.31 | abrotman | johnfg: the gecko one should work roughly the same as iceweasel |
| 13:17.42 | johnfg | yeah, roughly. It's fine when working, but something causes it not to connect, where iceweasel does. |
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| 13:18.10 | johnfg | I can close gecko epiphany down, then when I bring it back up, it doesn't even load the debian home page! |
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| 13:19.36 | jpinx-eeepc | epsilon: I get "Relinker Exception: Content requested isn't in an usable status" |
| 13:20.07 | jpinx-eeepc | Ooops sorry epsilon that was for epsilon epifanio_ but he's gone ... |
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| 13:22.59 | johnfg | I'm gonna see if logging out and back in affects the problem. |
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| 13:25.14 | johnfg | Yup, as I thought, that at least makes epiphany come up normal. |
| 13:25.30 | johnfg | I.e., logout and log back in. |
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| 13:26.49 | abrotman | !tell flixil about root |
| 13:27.04 | abrotman | ROOT HAS LANDED! |
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| 13:27.10 | stew | rrrrrrrooot |
| 13:27.16 | [Jasper] | hej guys, how can I aptitude install all libboost packags? |
| 13:27.21 | [Jasper] | aptitude install libboost* ? |
| 13:27.23 | [Jasper] | or something? |
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| 13:28.00 | flixil | Hello, I'm in debian in failsafe mode. How can I open another tty to have the irc and a command line? |
| 13:28.14 | emilsedgh | [Jasper]: there is a libboost-all package i guess, but that would probably work too. |
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| 13:28.38 | emilsedgh | hm, there is libboost-all-dev. |
| 13:28.56 | pflanze | What could it be if a machine hangs in usbhid detection during boot (even before starting init)? |
| 13:29.27 | pflanze | This only happens with Debian, not with Ubuntu. |
| 13:29.29 | abrotman | flixil: did you have screen installed perhaps ? |
| 13:29.40 | abrotman | pflanze: tried unplugging your usb devices? |
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| 13:29.47 | [Jasper] | emilsedgh the * |
| 13:29.50 | [Jasper] | doesn't work |
| 13:29.54 | pflanze | abrotman: only have a keyboard, but ok going to try. |
| 13:29.58 | disse | Heyho, |
| 13:29.59 | disse | I have the netinstaller(150MB) and I want to use cryptsetup and mkfs.ext4 |
| 13:29.59 | disse | But, at my install I tried to start a shell and apt-get install cryptsetup. apt-get not found... ext4 too. Is there a possibility to use this CD to make a crypted partiton with an other os on this Hard Drive? |
| 13:31.05 | flixil | abrotman I don't know if screen is installed by default, but I don't like it a lot. I'm used at having really different tty's and not all together. Even when I ssh I ssh different times. |
| 13:31.15 | pflanze | abrotman: ahh, now it timed out waiting for the boot volume to turn up (grr, why not print a message "waiting for the boot volume?"). It can't find the /disk/by-uuid/.... path, ug. |
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| 13:32.00 | flixil | If there is no other way in failsafe I'm gonna use screen. I didn't occur to me |
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| 13:33.51 | compaq | what's a fast file transfer program. I tried ftp, it was so slow, and it didn't even complete. |
| 13:34.03 | flixil | disse depending on the step on the installation the shell is able to perform different things. I needed to copy the firmware for b43 during a netinstall and I was not able to mount a ext4fs after a while. Not in the very beggining. |
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| 13:35.10 | disse | shit, lenny not supporting ext4? |
| 13:35.23 | disse | or only the netinstaller shell? |
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| 13:35.48 | babilen | disse: You'll need the installer from kmuto -- /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 13:35.54 | HideMe | I have two interfaces, on two different networks. I'd like Apache traffic to be on one, and all DB traffic on the other. How would I do this? |
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| 13:36.49 | jelly | HideMe: give them two separate IP addresses, and configure services to only listen on one address |
| 13:37.04 | disse | kk, I'll try it |
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| 13:38.19 | disse | but if i use kmuto, can I install cryptsetup @ the installation with the shell? |
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| 13:39.26 | HideMe | jelly So for apache <VirtualHost 192.168.1.1:80> and where do I config the SQL? |
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| 13:42.23 | disse | btw. @ http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2630-lenny.htm there is a line :( Don't try to use ext4 for your root partition |
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| 13:43.00 | disse | i want to use cryptsetup and ext4 for my installation, fuck, I should wait for squeeze |
| 13:43.17 | Lumee | hi, how can I check the size and increase that size of the code segment in my linux system? |
| 13:43.58 | pflanze | I wonder whether running a dist-upgrade from stable to testing from within a chroot is a good idea. |
| 13:44.10 | pflanze | But I guess I'm gonna find out. |
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| 13:45.06 | stew | pflanze: its easy to make a copy of a chroot before you touch it |
| 13:45.13 | babilen | disse: Just download a squeeze installer |
| 13:45.18 | pflanze | sure, I've got a backup |
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| 13:45.46 | pflanze | It still eats my time for nothing if it won't work. |
| 13:46.42 | pflanze | Or worse, and that's what I guess I'm into: if it will almost work but require hours of fiddling to get the resulting brokenness sorted out. |
| 13:47.43 | NoNaMeNo | How can I make a debian client boot from pxe without having a debian server or any debian installation? |
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| 13:48.17 | jelly | HideMe: no, for apache httpd.conf, Listen 127.0.0.1:80 |
| 13:49.58 | jelly | HideMe: each database has different configuration, postgresql is different from mysql is different from dunno, oracle. Inspect the package contents and /etc/ contents and your manuals |
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| 13:50.24 | compaq | Anyone know of any nice arcade games like streetfighter or tekken for debian, I found a nice arcade car racing game called torcs |
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| 13:51.08 | jeanseb | hi |
| 13:51.33 | jeanseb | is there anybody who know where to find realtime kernel for squeeeze ? |
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| 13:52.27 | stew | jeanseb: you'd have to build one |
| 13:53.03 | jeanseb | stew any docs on which kernel option change or packaged patch ? |
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| 13:53.50 | do0ob | something has locked the sound system and i need to figure out what |
| 13:53.53 | do0ob | how do i do it? |
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| 13:54.19 | do0ob | i tried lsof /dev/snd/* and lsof /dev/dsp but the only thing in use is /dev/snd/controlC0 |
| 13:55.17 | flixil | My computer freezes/hangs. So far it only happened in graphic mode (gnome). I cannot predict when it happens (random?). It happened in ubuntu (fresh install) stable and testing with different kernels, and with debian testing. |
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| 13:55.29 | stew | jeanseb: i don't know, i believe last time i was doing a git pull of someone elses kernel tree to build it, but it was a long time ago |
| 13:55.46 | flixil | The only thing added to the kernel in all the above configurations has been the firmware for b43 wireless module |
| 13:56.19 | stew | jeanseb: https://rt.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Frequently_Asked_Questions |
| 13:56.33 | stew | jeanseb: for building a kernel, see /msg dpkg kp |
| 13:56.40 | flixil | The freeze is in the form that the pointer cannot move, but the light of the synaptic touchpad can be turn on and off (it's a laptop) |
| 13:57.54 | jeanseb | stew, building not really a problem , what i'm asking is can i apply kernel.org patch on debian source (as i want to use kernel from debian repositry ) |
| 13:57.56 | flixil | I did 7 memtest without erros. What can I look and where can the error be? |
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| 13:58.16 | do0ob | flixil: maybe its the graphics drivers |
| 13:58.20 | do0ob | or a hardware issue |
| 13:59.19 | flixil | dooob I don't use any propietary graphic driver |
| 14:00.03 | Werdes | anyone know of a good panel to use with openbox? |
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| 14:00.39 | flixil | dooob how can I check if it's a graphic driver issue? |
| 14:00.46 | compaq | Anyone can help me use samba? |
| 14:01.10 | do0ob | flixil: why? is it an nvidia card? |
| 14:01.11 | flixil | compaq specify, setting up a samba server, using samba as a client or dancing? |
| 14:01.50 | flixil | doob radeon xpress 200m |
| 14:01.55 | do0ob | oh |
| 14:02.00 | do0ob | tried using vesa? |
| 14:02.02 | compaq | flixil, I install samba on one machine, and then smbclient on another, then on the smbclient I tried smbclient -I ip-address of server, but nothing happened |
| 14:02.19 | JonLur | My debian server stops with this error: kernel: [ 7990.093470] BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request at 00040000 |
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| 14:02.46 | Lumee | hi, how can I check the size and increase that size of the code segment in my linux system? |
| 14:02.48 | flixil | dooob I don't what driver is used in graphic mode as it freezes quite soon after starting it and there is no /etc/X11/Xorg.conf in the computer. How can I force to use vesa instead of the radeon driver? |
| 14:03.07 | jordanm | JonLur: I would recommend a memtest |
| 14:03.21 | JonLur | Thanks |
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| 14:03.31 | jordanm | flixil: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 14:03.43 | flixil | dooob the logs on gdm3 seem to suggest that uses radeon but I don't know if it referes to some xorg radeon or the radon kernel module |
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| 14:04.55 | qq- | jeanseb, there is a 'rtai' .32 kernel in : http://www.linuxcnc.org/emc2/dists/lucid/base/binary-i386/ |
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| 14:05.18 | jordanm | qq-: that looks like ubuntu? |
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| 14:05.35 | jeanseb | qq thxs but bad luck, using 64 |
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| 14:07.35 | do0ob | flixil: radeon is the driver, theres vesa which is the failsafe one, and also radeon for that ati card, but i think its too old for the fglrx |
| 14:07.48 | flixil | Ok I blacklisted radeon dooob. I'll try to boot in graphic mode |
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| 14:07.58 | jordanm | flixil: what card and what version of debian? |
| 14:07.58 | compaq | ftpd is pretty slow here for computers beside each other connect to a hub |
| 14:08.08 | jordanm | flixil: radeon is not a kernel module, so there is nothing to blacklist |
| 14:08.27 | compaq | How do you make ftp's get command operate in verbose mode, so it shows a progress bar |
| 14:08.48 | flixil | dooob I used to use fglrx (ati radeon 200M) but the new versions of fglrx stopped supporting my graphic card. |
| 14:08.53 | compaq | When I ftp from the shell, I can see the file, but when I ftp from a browser, I can't see the files |
| 14:09.04 | jordanm | flixil: what version of debian? |
| 14:09.31 | qq- | jeanseb, http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/emcinfo.pl?Debian_Lenny_Compile_RTAI |
| 14:10.02 | jordanm | *sigh* |
| 14:10.11 | flixil | jordanm stable. I located radeon in /lib/modules/kernel-version/kernel/drivers/gpu/drm/radeon |
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| 14:10.39 | jordanm | flixil: lenny's fgrlx supports that card, but so should the radeon |
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| 14:10.58 | do0ob | thats for kernel modesetting |
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| 14:11.06 | flixil | lenny is testing? |
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| 14:11.15 | jordanm | flixil: no, lenny is the current stable |
| 14:11.24 | jordanm | flixil: pastebin your Xorg.0.log |
| 14:11.26 | disse | is there any release date for debian squeeze stable? |
| 14:11.32 | jordanm | !wwsr |
| 14:11.32 | dpkg | Squeeze is now frozen and will release <WIR>, <SIYH>. See http://lists.debian.org/20100806134418.GC9183@halon.org.uk and http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100806 . Ask me about <squeeze bet>. |
| 14:11.36 | flixil | jordanm how can I paste from a command line? |
| 14:11.42 | jordanm | !pastebinit |
| 14:11.42 | dpkg | [pastebinit] a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". |
| 14:11.48 | Nepherius | where can i get some extra codecs for vlc ?:) |
| 14:11.51 | ldleworker | Hi I'm an ubuntu user who is requesting VPS creation at work to host some web-applications he is developing at work. I was wondering what version of Debian I should use and which would give me the least package problems. I will rely mostly on Apache/Python. |
| 14:12.10 | jordanm | ldleworker: lenny (5.0.6) |
| 14:12.22 | stew | ldleworker: you want stable for hosting web-applications |
| 14:12.29 | stew | s/web-applications// |
| 14:12.36 | jordanm | careful, as many hosts will still over the currently unsupported etch\ |
| 14:12.46 | jordanm | s/over/offer/ |
| 14:12.47 | stew | s/over/offer/ |
| 14:12.48 | stew | :) |
| 14:12.53 | jordanm | thanks :) |
| 14:12.58 | ldleworker | And we have backports now right? So if I need something from the future, I should be good right? |
| 14:13.14 | stew | jeanseb: you should be able to apply a rt patch that was made against the same upstream version as the debian patch was, tias |
| 14:13.19 | jordanm | ldleworker: depends on what it is, but yes |
| 14:13.26 | flixil | Pasted Xorg.0.log in http://pastebin.com/WJufGsTr |
| 14:13.39 | jeanseb | ok stew |
| 14:13.46 | jordanm | flixil: thats not lenny |
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| 14:14.00 | flixil | jordanm I said I got debian testing |
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| 14:14.21 | flixil | Sorry for the misunderstanding |
| 14:15.22 | jordanm | flixil: well, fgrlx did drop support for you then. I would have gone with lenny |
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| 14:15.44 | jordanm | flixil: X -configure; that will get you a basic xorg.conf you can edit to use vesa |
| 14:15.58 | flixil | jordanm I don't need 3d acceleration. Any free driver suffices for me |
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| 14:16.20 | jordanm | flixil: well, no 3d acceleration is fine, but this likely going to stick you resolution at 800x600 |
| 14:16.21 | flixil | jordanm can dpkg-reconfigure be used for that? |
| 14:16.27 | jordanm | flixil: no |
| 14:16.34 | compaq | flixil, does it work with debian stable? |
| 14:16.40 | jordanm | compaq: yes |
| 14:17.06 | jordanm | compaq: uncertain on the free drivers, but the non-free lenny drivers, yes |
| 14:17.06 | compaq | oh, I was having similar trouble, stable works, but testing didn't |
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| 14:18.10 | flixil | I don't know, I think I might be using lenny last year but as testing I always used testing and never got this problem before |
| 14:18.17 | compaq | it worked in testing, it just wouldn't boot into it. I would have to restart gdm on boot, so I used stable. when is next release? |
| 14:18.32 | jordanm | !wwsr |
| 14:18.32 | dpkg | Squeeze is now frozen and will release <WIR>, <SIYH>. See http://lists.debian.org/20100806134418.GC9183@halon.org.uk and http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100806 . Ask me about <squeeze bet>. |
| 14:19.11 | flixil | I will try starting the Xserver after changing the driver into vesa, see if it freezes. Thing is that sometimes it takes a lot of time to freeze, never deterministic |
| 14:19.14 | disse | <WIR>, <SIYH>. ????? |
| 14:19.27 | petern_ | When it's ready, probably. |
| 14:19.36 | stew | disse: try "/msg dpkg wir" "/msg dpkg siyh" in your irc client |
| 14:19.52 | disse | kk, hmmm, very smart bot |
| 14:20.01 | stew | !botsnack |
| 14:20.01 | dpkg | thanks, stew |
| 14:20.01 | compaq | Ah yeah, so sweet, squeeze is due any day now, I just hope the upgrade goes smooth, or I will end up wiping my computer and starting fresh all over again due to impatience, which is a lot of hours |
| 14:20.13 | stew | "any day now" is not really the case |
| 14:20.35 | jordanm | I am sticking to my end of this year guess I made in jan. |
| 14:20.42 | flixil | Thanks very much for the help jordanm I'll reboot now |
| 14:20.43 | stew | since it still lacks an installer, security infastructure, release notes |
| 14:20.48 | compaq | OMG---------woohoo, they have a freebsd version of debian |
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| 14:21.27 | disse | wtf |
| 14:21.29 | ironfroggy_ | I got a corrupted grubenv and i had to run fsck to fix a bunch of fs errors and i can boot up now |
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| 14:21.54 | ironfroggy_ | but now when i try to ssh into the machine all i get is http://paste.pocoo.org/show/266704/ from the client and it never authenticates, just hangs forever |
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| 14:22.23 | compaq | frigaroos, ftp file copy is so so so sloooooooowwwwwww |
| 14:22.38 | compaq | How the heck do you transfer files in linux |
| 14:22.41 | ironfroggy_ | what is doubly weird is this happened to two different machines (both VMs) at the same time when the host machine crashed while they were running |
| 14:22.46 | ironfroggy_ | Any idea why i can't connect and how i could fix ti? |
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| 14:23.03 | jordanm | ironfroggy_: I assume the server is running debian and not ubuntu? what do the server side logs looks like? |
| 14:23.29 | stew | ironfroggy_: do you have another way to login to the server other than ssh? (so you could debug the sshd) |
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| 14:23.40 | jordanm | compaq: ftp is going to be one of your faster potocols. you should able to achieve near line speed with it |
| 14:23.46 | ironfroggy_ | serverside logs say absolutely nothing |
| 14:23.54 | ironfroggy_ | they never mention the connection attempt |
| 14:24.00 | jordanm | there is no overhead of encrpytion, compression, etc |
| 14:24.00 | compaq | They saying that the linux kernel version of debian is best for desktops, but the freeBsd version is better for servers, anyone can say more on that topic please? |
| 14:24.04 | stew | ironfroggy_: yeah, you'd want to start a sshd in debug mode |
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| 14:24.08 | stew | ironfroggy_: /msg dpkg debug sshd |
| 14:24.10 | compaq | jordanm, well, it is not, not even close |
| 14:24.10 | ironfroggy_ | ok |
| 14:24.37 | compaq | jordanm, not for me, maybe it is my hub setting? there is a switch on the back, two option, maybe I will try the other option |
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| 14:25.06 | jordanm | compaq: what are the options? its not really a "hub" is it? |
| 14:25.07 | compaq | jordanm, yep, the collision light is flashing like crazy |
| 14:25.16 | compaq | jordanm, yep, a hub, why not |
| 14:25.41 | compaq | jordanm, there is normal and cascade, it is currently set to cascade |
| 14:25.44 | jordanm | compaq: because they have been obsolete for many years in favor of switches |
| 14:26.03 | Nepherius | why doesnt vlc remember my settings and why dose it ignore everything i do like delaying a subtitle ?:( |
| 14:26.04 | flixil | I cannot run the X, here is the output http://pastebin.com/pyqQ3Hwh |
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| 14:26.33 | compaq | jordanm, I thought you'd say in favor of routers, well it is old, but works fine, so why should I spend money, but this ftp isn't working fine. It should work fine though |
| 14:26.40 | compaq | jordanm, I am gonna try normal mode |
| 14:27.32 | jordanm | compaq: well, they are inherritently insecure, since the data is actually sent down every port |
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| 14:27.53 | jordanm | switches can do flooding too, but it is typically just as a way of determining the right node |
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| 14:27.57 | compaq | jordanm, I aint no bank over here, plus, the hub is only connect my two computers |
| 14:28.32 | stew | compaq: what speed is the hub, and what kind of throughput are you getting? |
| 14:28.35 | compaq | jordanm, if I had a router I would use it. But how do you setup an apache server behind a router, is port forwarding easy? |
| 14:29.00 | jordanm | compaq: you can try to do test line speed us ipref |
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| 14:29.13 | jordanm | compaq: routers are also slow, and not needed for your situation |
| 14:29.31 | compaq | jordanm, I changed it to normal mode, and the collision light is flashing again like crazy just the same |
| 14:29.35 | jordanm | compaq: depending on the router, but yes, port forwarding is typically easy |
| 14:29.53 | stew | compaq: do both machine have gigabit nics? |
| 14:29.58 | compaq | jordanm, oh, you set it up on the router, so on debian box, you don't have to do anythng |
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| 14:30.09 | jordanm | compaq: right |
| 14:30.16 | compaq | stew, not sure, but I can download fast from the internet on both machines |
| 14:30.38 | stew | compaq: if you have a hub just to connect two machines, why not just connect them directly without the hub? |
| 14:30.45 | compaq | stew, I can download at over 1mb/s on both computers |
| 14:30.59 | stew | compaq: is it a 10mb or 100mb hub? |
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| 14:31.15 | scx | hello |
| 14:31.19 | compaq | stew, well, it isn't just to connect the two of them, they are both connect to the internet, I am sharing internet using the hub, |
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| 14:31.46 | scx | can someone show me "ls /boot" and "ls /boot/grub"? |
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| 14:31.52 | jordanm | compaq: I think you might have terms confused, as I don't see how a hub could share internet |
| 14:32.09 | jordanm | compaq: you would need a NAT device, such as a router |
| 14:32.14 | compaq | stew, not sure about the hub speed, but I never noticed a slow down in dowload speeds off the internet from connecting directly to internet or connecting through the hub |
| 14:32.15 | scx | thx in advance |
| 14:32.15 | flixil | jordanm, thanks, so far it seems that there is no freezing. If it keeps going well I'll fill a bug for radeon. For which packet should It go? |
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| 14:32.29 | jordanm | flixil: xserver-xorg-video-radeon |
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| 14:33.02 | emerson | why I can't install the gopher ? |
| 14:33.10 | jordanm | scx: http://pastebin.com/gfdZZbk0 |
| 14:33.12 | emerson | anyone can help me, please |
| 14:33.28 | jordanm | !tell emerson about errors |
| 14:33.33 | jordanm | ,versions gopher |
| 14:33.35 | judd | Package gopher on i386 -- etch: 3.0.13; lenny: 3.0.13; sid: 3.0.13; squeeze: 3.0.13 |
| 14:33.35 | compaq | jordanm, yeah, the router is at the ISP, that's how it is down here, in my region, you can get up to 4 ip's, actually I am assuming its a maximum of 4, but I don't know for sure, But I do recall I connect up to 4 once |
| 14:34.14 | compaq | Yeah, I can download off the megaupload way faster, than I can transfer files between my two linux box'es |
| 14:34.38 | compaq | maybe samba is faster, but I can't configure it |
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| 14:34.56 | jordanm | I doubt it is the portocol, and there is more overhead to samba |
| 14:35.05 | compaq | Maybe it just a cheap hub issue, which is having too many collisions |
| 14:35.08 | jordanm | use netcat and ipref for testing |
| 14:35.11 | emerson | jordanm: root's PATH should usually contain /usr/local/sbin, /usr/sbin and /sbin. |
| 14:35.15 | emerson | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) |
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| 14:35.26 | jordanm | emerson: pastebin the full output |
| 14:35.35 | stew | emerson: show us the entire transaction including the command you typed |
| 14:35.39 | stew | (in a pastebin, yeah) |
| 14:35.47 | compaq | emerson, that happens to me sometimes when I don't sudo |
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| 14:36.19 | emerson | campaq: I did I was logged as root. |
| 14:36.52 | compaq | emerson, or sometimes it happens when I try to install a packages from two shells, like I start one, and forget and start another |
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| 14:37.23 | compaq | emerson, Oh no, sorry, this is a different error you are having |
| 14:37.33 | stew | we haven't yet seen the error |
| 14:37.46 | compaq | stew, lol yeah that's true |
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| 14:38.30 | emerson | that's the pasbin |
| 14:38.35 | emerson | http://pastebin.com/N0WApfcb |
| 14:39.26 | compaq | stew, do you know about this: "variants based on the FreeBSD kernel...the support of common server software is strong and extends the features of Linux-based Debian versions by the unique features known from the BSD world. |
| 14:40.17 | emerson | right guys I solved that later I have to go work ..but thanks anyway ... |
| 14:40.18 | jordanm | emerson: pastebin: echo $PATH; apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy libc6 gopher |
| 14:40.18 | stew | emerson: what does "echo $PATH" return? |
| 14:40.32 | jeansch | Good morning |
| 14:40.39 | compaq | stew, he left |
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| 14:40.56 | stew | compaq: i've not tried the freebsd branches |
| 14:40.59 | compaq | stew, can you comment on the BDS server features not available on Linux? |
| 14:41.03 | compaq | stew, oh ok |
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| 14:41.14 | stew | compaq: ipf is the reason most people would quote |
| 14:41.15 | lenswipe | hey guys |
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| 14:41.25 | lenswipe | how do i force debian to probe for my wifi card? |
| 14:41.30 | compaq | stew, what is ipf? |
| 14:41.31 | stew | compaq: it comes at the expense of losing a bunch of other stuff which you may not care about for a server, but you might |
| 14:41.37 | OldMonk | hi. any way to list all installable tasks? |
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| 14:41.38 | lenswipe | i dont think its working but i want to get debian to probe for it to be sure |
| 14:41.39 | stew | compaq: the firewall |
| 14:41.42 | jeansch | I'm looking for a debian developer located at Montréal (QC) |
| 14:41.49 | jordanm | OldMonk: just run "tasksel" |
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| 14:41.53 | compaq | stew, bsd is more secure? |
| 14:41.54 | lenswipe | anyone? |
| 14:42.14 | OldMonk | jordanm: that only gives me the 7 or so standard tasks, not all. e.g. it doesn't give me kde-desktop |
| 14:42.15 | compaq | jeansch, for what, how much is the pay? |
| 14:42.30 | stew | jordanm: http://wiki.debian.org/Keysigning/Offers |
| 14:42.33 | OldMonk | lenswipe: if the driver loaded? |
| 14:42.36 | stew | compaq: no |
| 14:42.38 | compaq | How long from when a release is frozen to actual release |
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| 14:42.56 | jordanm | OldMonk: kde-desktop is not a task |
| 14:43.09 | jeansch | compaq, for gpg key signing |
| 14:43.10 | jordanm | OldMonk: it is a meta package (assuming thats what its called now) |
| 14:43.12 | stew | compaq: until its ready, there isn't a fixed time. its measured in months |
| 14:43.17 | compaq | stew, yeah, it says the Linux is most developed for desktops especially with the advanced features |
| 14:43.20 | lenswipe | OldMonk, no |
| 14:43.24 | jordanm | jeansch: see the link stew sent to me by mistake |
| 14:43.30 | jordanm | jeansch: http://wiki.debian.org/Keysigning/Offers |
| 14:43.36 | OldMonk | hmm, apt-cache kde includes: Task: kde-desktop |
| 14:43.37 | stew | oops |
| 14:43.45 | jeansch | jordanm, :) yes, i'm on it :p |
| 14:43.46 | OldMonk | lenswipe: what chip is it? |
| 14:43.48 | compaq | stew, I see, so less than a year |
| 14:43.55 | stew | compaq: i've not run into things, even with complex firewall/loadbalancing that I couldn't do with linux |
| 14:44.05 | lenswipe | OldMonk, idk but its a linksys wmp54G card |
| 14:44.21 | jordanm | uses freebsd with openbsd PFk for his router |
| 14:44.22 | lenswipe | OldMonk, my friend reported that it didnt work on windows, but then thats not much to go by is it x] |
| 14:44.33 | lenswipe | stuff regularly "doesnt work on windows" |
| 14:44.42 | OldMonk | lenswipe: lspci will tell you |
| 14:44.53 | lenswipe | OldMonk, i ran it |
| 14:45.10 | OldMonk | lenswipe: does one of the lines contain "wireless" or "wifi"? |
| 14:45.10 | lenswipe | OldMonk, http://pastebin.com/Pukv4uxZ |
| 14:45.15 | lenswipe | OldMonk, no |
| 14:45.29 | OldMonk | ok to rephrase then: how do i get a list of all meta-opackages available? |
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| 14:45.53 | jordanm | ,versions kde-desktop |
| 14:45.53 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'kde-desktop' was found in i386. |
| 14:45.58 | jordanm | ,versions kde-desktop --release sid |
| 14:46.00 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'kde-desktop' was found in i386. |
| 14:46.01 | lenswipe | OldMonk, does that mean the card is done? |
| 14:46.04 | compaq | how do you autogenerate sources.list? |
| 14:46.06 | dondelelcaro | OldMonk: there's no difference between a meta package and a normal package, so we don't really list them separately |
| 14:46.08 | flixil | Ok, my system freezed anyway using the vesa driver. What else can I take a look at? |
| 14:46.12 | jordanm | OldMonk: where did you get kde-desktop from? |
| 14:46.19 | jpinx-eeepc | compaq: apt-spy |
| 14:46.23 | OldMonk | jordanm: apt-cache show kde |
| 14:46.32 | compaq | jpinx-eeepc, thanks |
| 14:46.39 | OldMonk | lenswipe: there doesn't seem to be any wifi card present |
| 14:46.58 | abrotman | OldMonk: you can use debtags .. if they've been tagged correctly |
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| 14:47.15 | OldMonk | ok, so if i wanted to install c development, e.g., how would i find out if there's a meta-package available, and it's name? |
| 14:47.16 | compaq | where are the packages by apt kept? |
| 14:47.47 | compaq | OldMonk, not sure, but I just do apt-get install gcc |
| 14:47.56 | abrotman | !b-e OldMonk |
| 14:47.56 | dpkg | OldMonk: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 14:47.58 | OldMonk | for instance, can i query something like: all meta-packages that include /usr/bin/gcc, or that include gcc? |
| 14:48.18 | lenswipe | OldMonk, hmm so you recon the card is done? |
| 14:48.28 | compaq | OldMonk, what about apt-cache search, you probably know that eh |
| 14:48.32 | abrotman | debtags ... |
| 14:48.37 | OldMonk | compaq: that was an example. s/c development/any package set/g |
| 14:48.59 | OldMonk | abrotman: how do i use those? |
| 14:49.15 | abrotman | they have a man page .. not super complicated |
| 14:50.01 | abrotman | debtags search role::metapackage .. maybe? |
| 14:50.02 | OldMonk | lenswipe: not a hardware person, so i can't say |
| 14:50.19 | lenswipe | hmm |
| 14:50.23 | flixil | I started X with vesa and my server ended up freezed as well. What else can I take a look at? |
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| 14:50.39 | abrotman | OldMonk: as i said . they have to have been tagged correctly though |
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| 14:50.48 | Without | does I/O causes server slow? issit processor bottleneck ? |
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| 14:51.21 | flixil | Without, of course, as well as memory access |
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| 14:51.39 | stew | Without: any of these could be a bottleneck |
| 14:51.43 | Without | flixil: it means i need to upgrade my processor indeed? |
| 14:51.58 | stew | Without: is it slow right now? |
| 14:52.26 | Without | stew: yep it's quite slow |
| 14:52.31 | stew | Without: can you show us the output of "vmstat 1 10" in a pastebin (should print a dozen lines then quit) |
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| 14:52.55 | stew | bakers dozen I suppose |
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| 14:53.20 | Without | http://pastebin.com/RckaazG5 |
| 14:53.21 | Without | here u go |
| 14:54.58 | stew | Without: the hi wa percentage means "lots of processes waiting for io" |
| 14:55.23 | stew | Without: the small numbers in r means your cpus aren't the bottlenect, it means usually things aren't ready to use the cpu anyway |
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| 14:56.12 | Without | stew: what should be the bottleneck? |
| 14:56.23 | stew | Without: nothing |
| 14:56.25 | stew | Without: ideally |
| 14:56.50 | stew | Without: so right now it is disk. figure out what it is hitting the disk for and see if some of that could be fetched from cache instead somehow |
| 14:56.56 | Without | stew: i'm running on lighttpd with fastcgi and xcache.. provides files storing.. |
| 14:57.23 | stew | Without: for instance, if mysql hits the disk all the time, you could probably tune it by giving it more memory (as you have lots of free memory) so that mysql doesn't have to go to disk as often |
| 14:57.44 | Without | stew: any idea how to increase the memory for mysql? |
| 14:57.54 | stew | lots |
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| 14:58.10 | stew | Without: but that's very dependant on your tables, your queries, etc |
| 14:58.24 | stew | Without: its completely different for myisam tables than innodb, for example |
| 14:58.25 | jordanm | I am wanting to spider a media wiki website and print out every page. Does anyone know of any tools that might be useful for accomplishing this goal? |
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| 14:58.58 | Without | stew: does it mean my mysql structure having the real problem causes server slow down? |
| 14:59.06 | jordanm | I was thinking something along the lines of wget, convert to ps, then pipe to lp, but I am unsure about how I would "crawl" the pages |
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| 14:59.43 | stew | Without: no, its a wild ass guess i'm making. if you are running a mysql backed website and haven't done any performance tuning on your mysql setup yet, its probably quite a good guess |
| 15:00.13 | karlpinc | jordanm: Why not ask the wikipedia people? |
| 15:00.21 | Without | stew: my server mysql backend is stored 1000 lines, probably it's the issue? |
| 15:00.37 | stew | i don't know what that means |
| 15:00.55 | jordanm | karlpinc: well, the target site is not wikipedia, but is the same software, so I suppose that could work |
| 15:01.17 | Without | stew: it's ok, i don't think it's mysql.. still got any other possible? |
| 15:01.21 | stew | Without: you'll want to learn to read the output of "show status". if you are running innodb tables, you'll want to look at the buffer size, if you are using myisam, you'll want to look at things like how frequent key reads are... you'll want to look at the thread cache and table cache sizes |
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| 15:02.04 | stew | !fix stew's dog |
| 15:02.04 | dpkg | takes stew's dog to the vet for a "special" visit. |
| 15:02.11 | stew | bbl, i'm actually going there |
| 15:02.19 | akfaew | i've upgraded debian from lenny to squeeze and the new dhclient does not set the hostname. there were some problems (i've not fixed them yet) with sysvinit. the lease file shows the hostname correctly. the config file has not changed. what can i do to fix this? |
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| 15:02.45 | Without | stew: can u confirm that it's not CPU/Memory bottleneck? |
| 15:03.00 | jordanm | I am posting to more appropriate channel as suggested by karlpinc |
| 15:03.08 | tharkun | Good morning, whenever i maximize evince the menu disappears, This is a new bloat not present in lenny, how can it be disabled |
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| 15:03.36 | Without | stew: could it be harddisk/webserver bottleneck ? |
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| 15:04.42 | karlpinc | Without: Regardless, the first step is to tune your mysql setup. And the first step to doing that is to look at the instrumentation to see what's happening. |
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| 15:05.29 | dondelelcaro | tharkun: uh... that's what fullscreen does? |
| 15:05.30 | rethus | i need this package in version 5.0.2 : http://packages.qa.debian.org/f/fusionforge.html |
| 15:05.32 | stew | Without: you have tons of free memory and the cpus are rarely being used< you have lots of processes wiating on io |
| 15:05.41 | rethus | its seems to be in unstable-repo. |
| 15:05.52 | rethus | which repo have i add to source.list to get this package? |
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| 15:06.01 | dondelelcaro | tharkun: likewise with presentation mode? if you want it maximized, that's a function of your window manager, which is different from the full screen mode. |
| 15:06.09 | rethus | http://packages.debian.org/source/unstable/fusionforge |
| 15:06.18 | dondelelcaro | judd: versions fusionforge |
| 15:06.19 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'fusionforge' was found in i386. |
| 15:06.30 | Without | stew: for waiting IO could it be harddisk? |
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| 15:06.41 | dondelelcaro | judd: versions fusionforge-full |
| 15:06.42 | judd | Package fusionforge-full on i386 -- squeeze: 5.0.1+svn10155-1; sid: 5.0.2-1 |
| 15:07.01 | dondelelcaro | rethus: which version of Debian are you running? |
| 15:07.10 | dondelelcaro | Without: that's what IO wait means |
| 15:07.13 | rethus | debian squeeeze |
| 15:07.23 | dondelelcaro | rethus: so install fusionforge-full |
| 15:07.33 | dondelelcaro | (or -standard, or whatever you want) |
| 15:07.48 | dondelelcaro | or if you want gforge, install that |
| 15:08.13 | rethus | dondelelcaro: i wan't fusionforge, and got always an postgresql-error. Known bug |
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| 15:08.47 | rethus | this is fixed in 5.0.2, but i have only 5.0.1 packages in squeeze |
| 15:09.14 | dondelelcaro | rethus: then you can wait for 5.0.2 to hit squeeze, or you can pin unstable, or you can get the specific .deb that you need and install them |
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| 15:09.39 | r45c4l | http://dpaste.com/248396/ this is the o/p of my iwconfig and lspci, can anyone help me to configure my wifi please |
| 15:09.44 | rethus | yes, unstable. but which repo have i to add to get unstable packages? |
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| 15:09.58 | r45c4l | no one is helping in #ubuntu |
| 15:10.07 | babilen | rethus: Don't install unstable packages, but install a backported one from http://ww.backports.org |
| 15:10.10 | Without | stew: for waiting IO could it be harddisk? |
| 15:10.29 | rethus | babilen: are there a repository-adress for source.list? |
| 15:10.32 | jordanm | r45c4l: still not supported here |
| 15:10.33 | dondelelcaro | r45c4l: just because #ubuntu isn't helping you doesn't mean that #debian is the place to ask. Use their forums |
| 15:10.38 | babilen | r45c4l: Well, install Debian and receive help here :) (and probably don't run into that issue) |
| 15:10.46 | rethus | babilen: this url is broken |
| 15:10.50 | babilen | !tell rethus about bpo |
| 15:11.14 | dondelelcaro | rethus: every mirror that carries testing carries unstable, but don't blindly add it to your sources.list |
| 15:11.25 | babilen | rethus: Right, it is an official service now. Forgot that â http://backports.debian.org/ is the right address |
| 15:11.25 | r45c4l | sorry guys :) |
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| 15:11.49 | dondelelcaro | babilen: bpo isn't appropriate in this case; backports are for stable, not testing |
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| 15:12.31 | rethus | ok, so i only have to add: deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main to sources.list? |
| 15:12.35 | babilen | dondelelcaro: I completely missed the "in squeeze" |
| 15:12.56 | dondelelcaro | rethus: No. You have to do what I said. |
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| 15:13.04 | jordanm | rethus: backports is a service for the stable release, and thus not available for testing |
| 15:13.13 | tharkun | dondelelcaro: Well on lenny that did not happen. Now reading a document and deciding on whether printing is necesary or not is not as simple as it used to be |
| 15:13.24 | babilen | rethus: Disregard that advice - as (rightfully) pointed out by dondelelcaro backports are for stable (i.e. lenny) and not for testing (i.e. squeeze) that you are running |
| 15:13.34 | dondelelcaro | rethus: you can either 1) pin unstable and get the package that way 2) download the packages manually and dpkg -i them |
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| 15:14.03 | dondelelcaro | tharkun: uh... you can easily switch in and out of fullscreen mode |
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| 15:15.10 | dondelelcaro | tharkun: and you can also shove a print button into the toolbar if you want |
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| 15:15.49 | tharkun | dondelelcaro: where are the docs on that. For the moment evince is absolutely missbehaving. To the point of looking for a replacement |
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| 15:16.20 | rethus | dondelelcaro: can u explain what exactly to to if i wan't to pin it? |
| 15:16.22 | dondelelcaro | tharkun: it has online help; if you don't like it, use something else. |
| 15:16.32 | rethus | which repo have i to add in source.list? |
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| 15:17.07 | dondelelcaro | rethus: it's want, actually. but /msg dpkg pinning |
| 15:17.10 | gigglefight | please help. i'm in command line interface. and i'd like to load gui |
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| 15:17.31 | gigglefight | i've tried startx. what am i doing wrong? |
| 15:17.37 | dondelelcaro | gigglefight: what does startx do? |
| 15:17.45 | gigglefight | doesn't it load the gui? |
| 15:17.50 | gigglefight | i'm a newbie. |
| 15:17.51 | tharkun | dondelelcaro: Don't missinterpret my frustration i like it a lot, the thing is i expected a totally different behaviour and things get complicated the day I am swamped with work |
| 15:17.51 | rethus | i understand nothing at all |
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| 15:18.12 | rethus | if i wan't to use unstable packages. i had to add the repo at source.list ? |
| 15:18.40 | dondelelcaro | rethus: you have to add the repository to your sources.list, which is the same form as the other URIs you have there now |
| 15:18.45 | gigglefight | one moment please. i will find out |
| 15:18.47 | dondelelcaro | rethus: however, *first* you must pin unstable |
| 15:18.59 | gigglefight | sever error |
| 15:19.03 | dondelelcaro | gigglefight: I mean, what does it output or cause your computer to do? |
| 15:19.36 | gigglefight | no such file or directory, init: server error |
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| 15:20.09 | scx | jordanm: did you remember my yesterday problem with Debian? |
| 15:20.15 | gigglefight | i just installed debian 5, and wasn't paying attention to which interface i installed. |
| 15:20.22 | scx | jordanm: i found solution |
| 15:20.27 | scx | http://wklej.org/hash/ebec9f8048f/txt/ |
| 15:20.29 | gigglefight | obviously i'm in the cli |
| 15:20.31 | scx | stew: ^^ |
| 15:21.25 | karlpinc | gigglefight: Does "aptitude show xorg" show xorg installed? |
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| 15:21.38 | dondelelcaro | gigglefight: so tasksel install desktop; or similar |
| 15:21.55 | dondelelcaro | gigglefight: you'll need to do the above as root |
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| 15:23.03 | rethus | how can i load this package? I don't found a combined-download-link ffor fusionforge-standard : http://packages.debian.org/sid/fusionforge-standard |
| 15:23.57 | abrotman | in what? lenny? |
| 15:24.05 | rethus | ah, i found it (sorry I#m a newbe on debian) |
| 15:24.13 | gigglefight | :S what's 'aptitude show xorg' do? i still don't get a gui. |
| 15:24.25 | gigglefight | i got lost at taskel |
| 15:24.45 | robin_sz | so ... running lenny on a few Amazon EC2 virtual servers .. i keep running into this problem: "Sep 24 15:14:59 ip-x.x.x.x kernel: 4gb seg fixup, process java (pid 4095), cs:ip 73:b7fc70..." .. I tried all the usual fixes, running libc6-xen, echo hwcap 0 nosegneg etc .. any clues? |
| 15:25.26 | robin_sz | it only seems to affect debian and debian based distros, the others dont seem to suffer it |
| 15:25.44 | gigglefight | state: not installed. |
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| 15:26.12 | gigglefight | running debian via vmware |
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| 15:27.05 | scx | where i can download default sources.lst for Squeezy? |
| 15:27.17 | gigglefight | @dondelelcaro: i'm logged in as root. |
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| 15:27.49 | gigglefight | what i can do is reinstall the entire disk again. however, i'll never learn from that. |
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| 15:28.05 | babilen | scx: /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list (if you have apt installed and access to a debian system) |
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| 15:29.10 | gigglefight | paste bin? what's the address to that? |
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| 15:29.39 | jordanm | gigglefight: pastebin.com |
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| 15:30.14 | scx | babilen: thx |
| 15:30.17 | gigglefight | thanks! |
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| 15:31.36 | gigglefight | just figured i don't know how to copy from command line interface |
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| 15:32.17 | gigglefight | what must i install to regain GUI? |
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| 15:34.28 | abrotman | gigglefight: which GUI do you want? |
| 15:34.33 | gigglefight | gnome. |
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| 15:34.52 | lukosanthropos | on a debian based dns server where are the dns records typically help |
| 15:34.54 | lukosanthropos | *held |
| 15:34.59 | tharkun | Rephrasing, How do i print a document using evince while on fullscreen mode ? |
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| 15:35.15 | abrotman | gigglefight: aptitude install gnome xorg gdm .. then reboot |
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| 15:35.22 | abrotman | tharkun: ctrl-p ? |
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| 15:36.12 | babilen | gigglefight: You want to install a X server and probably a desktop environment. The easiest way to do this is by issuing the following command: "aptitude install xorg" (which will install the X server) and by (for example) "aptitude install gdm gnome-desktop-environment". You will also have to configure the X server for your graphic card (if it does not work). |
| 15:36.23 | tharkun | abrotman: Would you blush if i kissed you :* |
| 15:36.34 | abrotman | it wasn't that hard ... |
| 15:37.36 | tharkun | dondelelcaro: thx I just needed to do the right question thx for your time |
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| 15:38.33 | gigglefight | i've written the commands down. right now it's installing gnome using the disk and then some |
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| 15:40.17 | gigglefight | thank you abrotman babilen! |
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| 15:41.21 | babilen | gigglefight: You might want to take a look at http://qref.sourceforge.net/ (the reference is also available as a Debian package "debian-reference-CC" (where CC is your language code (e.g. en))) |
| 15:41.50 | gigglefight | neat I'm bookmarking it and emailing the link... definitely. thanks! |
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| 15:42.35 | babilen | !tell gigglefight -about grounding |
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| 15:44.19 | babilen | gigglefight: Lots of documentation to read and learn from. If you have questions come here, use the mailing lists (http://lists.debian.org/users.html) or pray to $DEITY :) |
| 15:44.31 | gigglefight | okay another question. i created a debian flash drive. need directions to activate wifi stuff. |
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| 15:44.47 | gigglefight | noticed it only accesses the interet through ethernet. |
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| 15:48.58 | gigglefight | is wifi accessibility available for the debian on flash drive? |
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| 16:06.56 | Kuifje111 | hello all. I am trying to mount an external HDD at boot using fstab, but it doesn't work. fstab file: http://asdoi123.pastebin.com/zxbfm644 |
| 16:07.23 | dondelelcaro | Kuifje111: does it work after boot? |
| 16:07.55 | Kuifje111 | if I use mount /etc/sda1 /home, yes. |
| 16:08.04 | dondelelcaro | Kuifje111: you mean /dev/sda1 /home |
| 16:08.13 | Kuifje111 | yeah, my bad. |
| 16:08.25 | Kuifje111 | that's what I meant. |
| 16:08.26 | dondelelcaro | Kuifje111: though first off, you don't want to use that if it's an external device, because it may not always be /dev/sda1 |
| 16:08.30 | dondelelcaro | Kuifje111: use UUID instead |
| 16:08.51 | Kuifje111 | ah. how do I do that? |
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| 16:09.58 | jordanm | Kuifje111: blkid will give you the UUID. personally, I like filesystem labels instead |
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| 16:13.45 | esaym153 | hello, where can I get a reference for making shell scripts compatible for both dash and bash? |
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| 16:16.07 | jordanm | esaym153: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DashAsBinSh |
| 16:16.23 | jordanm | esaym153: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide |
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| 16:16.54 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 16:17.01 | lenswipe | whats the max amount of memory supported by debian? |
| 16:17.06 | lenswipe | 32 bit debian that is |
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| 16:17.27 | esaym153 | ty |
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| 16:17.50 | jpinx-eeepc | lenswipe: I think you'll find that there is no limit |
| 16:18.00 | lenswipe | jpinx-eeepc, lmao, there must be |
| 16:18.25 | lenswipe | there is |
| 16:18.28 | lenswipe | smacks jpinx-eeepc |
| 16:18.45 | jpinx-eeepc | if yu know - why do you ask? |
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| 16:18.59 | jpinx-eeepc | and what is the answer? :p |
| 16:19.32 | lenswipe | jpinx-eeepc, i dont know |
| 16:19.38 | lenswipe | i just know there is a limit |
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| 16:19.45 | lenswipe | jpinx-eeepc, if you dont know why are you providing stupid answers? |
| 16:20.17 | jordanm | lenswipe: 2^52 bytes using -bigmem |
| 16:20.58 | jordanm | looks like that is 4PB\ |
| 16:21.07 | lenswipe | jordanm, seriously? |
| 16:21.15 | lenswipe | debian supports up to 4PB of RAM? |
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| 16:21.26 | jordanm | lenswipe: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension |
| 16:21.27 | amphi | but not more than 2GB/process if I recall correctly |
| 16:21.29 | lenswipe | jordanm, this is 32bit debian |
| 16:21.41 | lenswipe | still 4PB? |
| 16:21.51 | jordanm | lenswipe: yep, PAE allows use of more, but like amphi said, with PAE ram is limited by process |
| 16:21.59 | breardo | let it be known that henceforth b11d` is now breardo |
| 16:22.08 | kapcom01 | hello, i have installed debian and i used LVM to create a big partition out of two physical disks. Because am a little tired right now to try, i would like someone to confirm that if i plug in another disk i will be able to add it to the current big partition so to extend the space more.. thanks. |
| 16:22.14 | jordanm | and 32bit debian can run a 64bit kernel to even get around that limitation |
| 16:22.38 | lenswipe | jordanm, so normal off the shelf debian allows me to install up to 4PB of RAM? |
| 16:22.43 | lenswipe | 32bit debian that is |
| 16:22.58 | jordanm | kapcom01: if the "big partition" is a volume group, yes |
| 16:23.10 | kapcom01 | kapcom01:, yes it is.. thanks |
| 16:23.23 | jordanm | lenswipe: no, you have install the 64bit or -bigmem kernel for the more memory support, otherwise its limited to around 3.2gb |
| 16:23.26 | lenswipe | jordanm, so 32bit debian supports up to 4PB of RAM? |
| 16:23.30 | lenswipe | ah right |
| 16:23.34 | lenswipe | okay |
| 16:24.02 | kapcom01 | jordanm, yes it is.. thanks |
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| 16:24.06 | lenswipe | jordanm, the bigem kernel as opposed to the linux kernel? |
| 16:24.23 | lenswipe | jordanm, or is bigem a linux kernel with additions? |
| 16:24.43 | jordanm | lenswipe: it has PAE enabled, see the wiki article I linked you to |
| 16:24.50 | lenswipe | ok |
| 16:25.19 | lenswipe | jordanm, essentially im running 32 bit debian, upgrading to 8GB RAM would make no difference - correct? |
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| 16:26.25 | jordanm | http://paste.debian.net/91462/ |
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| 16:27.09 | lenswipe | jordanm, yeah but without the bigem kernel |
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| 16:27.32 | lenswipe | jordanm, sweet btw |
| 16:27.45 | jordanm | lenswipe: I already told you the ram limitation of the stock kernel? |
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| 16:28.03 | lenswipe | yeah |
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| 16:33.04 | Runeg_ | I made a simple script to double check that /etc/cron.hourly is working and it's not. The script is #!/Bin/Bash touch /root/hourly_$(date +%Y_%m_%d-%H-%M-%S), any suggestions on what to look at? |
| 16:33.25 | stew | Runeg_: #!/Bin/Bash or #!/bin/bash ? |
| 16:33.40 | Runeg_ | Lowercase. |
| 16:33.56 | lukosanthropos | always always lowercase |
| 16:34.02 | stew | Runeg_: what is the name of the script? |
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| 16:34.06 | Runeg_ | test.sh |
| 16:34.22 | stew | Runeg_: that's why. it cannot have a . ; see the filename restrictions in "man run-parts" |
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| 16:35.17 | Runeg_ | Hm, so if I rename it to "test" it should work? |
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| 16:35.25 | lenswipe | jordanm, i had issues with debian getting it to work with my hardware, eg video card etc so i had to backport the kernel anyway |
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| 16:35.39 | jordanm | Runeg_: and you fix the shebang |
| 16:35.41 | lenswipe | jordanm, would this be an issue if i went to using the bigem kernel? |
| 16:35.42 | stew | Runeg_: yes. it should be executable as well |
| 16:35.52 | Runeg_ | jordanm It is lowercase as mentioned. |
| 16:36.01 | Runeg_ | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 59 2010-09-24 02:13 test |
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| 16:36.12 | stew | Runeg_: looks good |
| 16:36.18 | Runeg_ | stew, Thanks. |
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| 16:36.39 | Runeg_ | One more question. Does cron.hourly run on XX:00 ? |
| 16:36.53 | stew | Runeg_: see /etc/crontab |
| 16:37.14 | Runeg_ | stew, Ah ha, thanks again. |
| 16:37.39 | breardo | baby, you got yourself a stew goin! |
| 16:38.09 | stew | thanks carl. |
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| 16:38.31 | Kuifje111 | fstab, rw, Mount the filesystem read-write. what does this mean? |
| 16:38.31 | luckz | can somebody please tell me the difference between openjdk-6-jre and openjdk-6-jre-headless? |
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| 16:39.10 | stew | luckz: -headless won't pull in x11 dependencies |
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| 16:39.15 | Runeg_ | Kuifje111, You may not have the kernel drivers to support rw for that file system I.e. ntfs requires you to have ntfs-3g ntfsprogs installed |
| 16:39.31 | jordanm | luckz: you can see the full description with "aptitude show package", which should be different for the two |
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| 16:39.45 | luckz | stew: but headless wants to install 60+ packages, non-headless just 30+ |
| 16:39.52 | stew | luckz: so it might be usefull for a server. whereas anything with a gui (like a standalone java, or a applet) will require the non-headless |
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| 16:40.28 | jordanm | luckz: that doesn't make much sense, since non-headless installs headless |
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| 16:40.35 | Nepherius | bleah so i had some issues with vlc so i got another media player , but it wasnt working properly so i got some codecs for it.Now the other one still dosent work properly and vlc has sound but no image.Tried re-installing but same thing, any suggestions? |
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| 16:40.56 | jordanm | Nepherius: try vlc from DMM |
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| 16:41.04 | Runeg_ | stew, ^5, it worked. |
| 16:41.13 | stew | right back at ya |
| 16:41.22 | Nepherius | dmm = debian multimedia ? |
| 16:41.29 | jordanm | Nepherius: yes |
| 16:41.33 | luckz | jordanm: look at the last two @ http://pastebin.ca/1948247 , headless wants twice the packages installed |
| 16:41.48 | stew | judd: versions vlc |
| 16:41.50 | Nepherius | well ..thats where i got those codecs ..thats what made it work this way :( |
| 16:41.50 | judd | Package vlc on i386 -- etch: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch3; etch-security: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch3; lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2; lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2.3; sid: 1.1.3-1; squeeze: 1.1.3-1; experimental: 1.1.4-1 |
| 16:42.00 | stew | dmm doesn't appear to have vlc |
| 16:42.23 | Runeg_ | Nepherius, is it one file in particular? |
| 16:42.27 | jordanm | hmm, it used to |
| 16:42.32 | stew | indeed |
| 16:42.44 | Nepherius | no ..i tried more movies none works |
| 16:42.53 | jordanm | luckz: yes, you get stange results when you mix releases like that |
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| 16:47.24 | luckz | jordanm: so which one do I install or what do I do? :D |
| 16:47.36 | jordanm | luckz: stop mixing testing and stable |
| 16:47.51 | CodeNinja | lol thats awesome... apt-get wont let me do anything... 'Segmentation faulty tree...50%' |
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| 16:49.46 | Nepherius | debian needs a huge package of codecs like kline thing or whatever its called on win :( |
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| 16:50.26 | Nepherius | i`ve been looking for a way to fix this thing for a ~1hr now :( |
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| 16:51.33 | andares | hey guys. |
| 16:51.48 | andares | how do I make "gcc" point to gcc-4.3 instead of gcc-4.4+ |
| 16:51.50 | andares | *? |
| 16:52.01 | andares | is there something like java-set-preferences but for gcc? |
| 16:52.03 | CodeNinja | Nepherius: what are you using to play the movies? |
| 16:52.12 | stew | andares: no, use the CC environment variable |
| 16:52.14 | Nepherius | vlc |
| 16:52.15 | CodeNinja | I use totem, which has gstreamer codecs and such |
| 16:52.29 | CodeNinja | havent found a movie yet that wont play |
| 16:52.41 | CodeNinja | vlc fails on my system, video overlay fails it |
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| 16:53.44 | Kuifje111 | dondelelcaro: UUID works, thanks. |
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| 16:54.00 | Nepherius | yea i have a problem there too , i can adjust the video settings |
| 16:55.15 | dreamer | hi all, I'm trying to upgrade my server from lenny to squeeze, but I just ran out of diskspace -_- and can't resive the LV without umounting (and would rather not), is there a way to delete the debs of packages that have been installed? or are there other obsolete files I could remove? |
| 16:55.18 | Nepherius | ohh and i dont see a option to adjust subtitle delay |
| 16:55.24 | joshb | Debian/GNU/Linux is an amazing phenomanon on Earth, i doubt something like this ever occured. |
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| 16:56.21 | rootmos | I have a disk that is 40GB and used about 5 GB and a backupdisk that is 32 GB is it possible to use dd to back it up? |
| 16:56.24 | joshb | Fit for a general national holiday imho. |
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| 16:56.43 | jpinx-eeepc | rootmos: rsync might be better |
| 16:57.15 | rootmos | but i want to be able to boot from the backup disk |
| 16:57.19 | breardo | rsync is great.. with the right paramaters |
| 16:57.31 | breardo | with -z was getting 2MB/sec.. without -z.. 20MB/sec |
| 16:57.37 | breardo | also --whole-files |
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| 16:58.56 | stew | breardo: how are you measurihng throughput? |
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| 16:59.08 | breardo | just what rsync is reportingt |
| 16:59.17 | stew | breardo: --whole-files might cause you to get more bits across the network faster, but only because you are copying bits you don't need to copy |
| 16:59.20 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 16:59.25 | breardo | gotcha |
| 16:59.28 | lenswipe | anyone know why lmms looks like crap on my system? |
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| 17:00.16 | lenswipe | guys? |
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| 17:02.07 | lenswipe | brb |
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| 17:02.54 | lenswipe | so yeah |
| 17:03.04 | lenswipe | im running lmms and it looks like crap on my system |
| 17:03.06 | lenswipe | can someone help? |
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| 17:03.13 | lenswipe | this is normal lmms: http://lmms.sourceforge.net/screenshots/0.4.0/lmms-0.4.0-6.jpg |
| 17:03.19 | lenswipe | this is my lmms: http://imagebin.ca/view/EN3gtAtQ.html |
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| 17:03.29 | lenswipe | it looks like something from the Apple II's GUI |
| 17:04.39 | zinx | gragh gdm keeps overwriting my ~/.dmrc with a default one owned by root:root every time i log in now >_< f'n sid. |
| 17:05.09 | Bushmills | one is lmms 4.x, other is lmms 3.2 |
| 17:05.52 | stew | lenswipe: mine looks like theirs. but i'm running the 4.x version that they are running |
| 17:06.07 | lenswipe | stew, how did you install yours? |
| 17:06.21 | stew | lenswipe: aptitude install lmms, but i'm not running stable on this machine |
| 17:06.22 | lenswipe | stew, i tried downloading the debs from the site, but i just got dependancy hell |
| 17:06.25 | lenswipe | hmm |
| 17:06.40 | stew | lenswipe: perhaps /msg dpkg ssb |
| 17:07.02 | lenswipe | stew, holy fuck |
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| 17:07.14 | lenswipe | stew, when i try and use aptitude it tries to remove shit like fileroller and stuff |
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| 17:08.00 | stew | lenswipe: probably because it's marked as automatically installed to satisfy depends on a large metapackage like 'gnome' which has since been uninstalled |
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| 17:09.07 | lenswipe | stew, gnome isnt uninstalled |
| 17:09.09 | lenswipe | gnome is running |
| 17:09.10 | nsadmin | lenswipe: you can run aptitude and see what it's planning to do next |
| 17:09.12 | lenswipe | im using gnome right now |
| 17:09.26 | lenswipe | nsadmin, i have no itention of doing any such thing |
| 17:09.35 | stew | lenswipe: what version of the gnome package do you have installed right now? "apt-cache policy gnome" would tell you |
| 17:09.36 | Bushmills | lenswipe: press E, and step through upgrade choices with . - pick one which upgrades few packages instead of uninstalling some others |
| 17:09.46 | jpinx-eeepc | lenswipe: man aptitude use -s |
| 17:10.01 | lenswipe | gnome: |
| 17:10.01 | lenswipe | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:10.01 | lenswipe | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:10.01 | lenswipe | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:10.01 | lenswipe | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:10.11 | jpinx-eeepc | \o/ |
| 17:10.12 | stew | lukosanthropos: yes, that's what I meant, you don't have the gnome package installed |
| 17:10.17 | Bushmills | rejoiner! |
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| 17:10.22 | lenswipe | stew, the hell? |
| 17:10.24 | lenswipe | stew, yes i do |
| 17:10.31 | stew | lenswipe: look, "Installed: (none) |
| 17:10.37 | lenswipe | WTFH!? |
| 17:10.40 | lenswipe | im using gnome right now |
| 17:10.43 | lenswipe | how the hell |
| 17:10.51 | lenswipe | calls bug |
| 17:11.01 | stew | lenswipe: yes, the gnome package doesn't actually have any functionality its an empty package just to depend on lots of other gnome packages |
| 17:11.02 | nsadmin | you may be running it while it's been removed |
| 17:11.05 | stew | no |
| 17:11.12 | Bushmills | lenswipe: read about "meta packages" |
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| 17:11.39 | lenswipe | nsadmin, brb |
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| 17:12.56 | stew | lenswipe: so aptitude isntalled the "gnome" package which pulled in TONS of other packages. at some point along the way, you removed the gnome package (probably when removing something it depended on that you didnt' want)... now aptitude is trying to be smart an clean up the other dependencies |
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| 17:13.02 | stew | lenswipe: annoying |
| 17:13.14 | lenswipe | stew, i agree |
| 17:13.20 | nsadmin | oh, gnome? gnome is empty package that causes others to be installed if it's installed |
| 17:13.25 | lenswipe | how do i fix this without aptitude whipping gnome out |
| 17:13.31 | stew | no, i mean its hard to explain this to you if you keep quitting |
| 17:13.45 | lenswipe | stew, i quit to make sure i still had gnome |
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| 17:13.59 | lenswipe | how do i fix this without aptitude whipping gdm out |
| 17:14.05 | stew | you have gnome, just not the empty meta-package named gnome, which is what I"m trying to explain to you[5~ |
| 17:14.13 | lenswipe | okay |
| 17:14.28 | stew | lenswipe: aptitude unmarkauto '~i~Rgnome' |
| 17:14.29 | nsadmin | one way, why not just install gnome |
| 17:14.30 | lenswipe | so aptitude is trying to uninstall stuff cos the empty meta package isnt installed? |
| 17:14.39 | lenswipe | nsadmin, id love to |
| 17:14.39 | nsadmin | or do the stew |
| 17:14.40 | lenswipe | how? |
| 17:14.47 | lenswipe | no im fine just installing gnome |
| 17:15.05 | lenswipe | aptitude install gnome? |
| 17:15.36 | jordanm | lenswipe: you really should try things instead of askign about *every* little detail |
| 17:15.43 | nsadmin | see aptitude adds this feature, that keeps track of whether YOU install a package DIRECTLY or whether a package is installed because some other package needs it |
| 17:15.51 | lenswipe | jordanm, i dont want to just blindly run commands that might mess my system up |
| 17:15.52 | jordanm | lenswipe: it makes you one of the more difficult people to help here |
| 17:15.54 | Bushmills | lenswipe: incorrect |
| 17:16.05 | lenswipe | Bushmills, ??? |
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| 17:16.18 | lenswipe | so how do i install the gnome metapackage? |
| 17:16.21 | Bushmills | lenswipe: "gnome" is written without trailing question mark |
| 17:16.21 | jordanm | lenswipe: right, which is why you should understand what it is you are doing. constantly asking is not the best way to accomplish this |
| 17:16.26 | stew | lenswipe: you can run that and see what else it wants to pull in with it. somehting it wants to pull in will probably be something you decided to remove at some point, if you don't want that, you can revert to my command |
| 17:16.31 | jordanm | lenswipe: in that case, you are just blindly running what we tell you |
| 17:17.10 | lenswipe | stew, okay, but its still trying to remove stuff |
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| 17:17.23 | nsadmin | when you do what exactly? |
| 17:17.40 | nsadmin | lenswipe, do you have a spare machine? |
| 17:17.43 | c3l | lenswipe: best way to learn is to do, gain experience. keep backups and go wild. thats also much more fun :) |
| 17:17.44 | stew | lenswipe: you can "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" for stuff it wants to remove, if that is why it wants to remove it (which should be indicated with a {u}) |
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| 17:17.53 | stew | lenswipe: or you can just stick to using apt-get like you had been |
| 17:18.05 | lenswipe | stew, ive already used apt-get install lmms though |
| 17:18.09 | lenswipe | nsadmin, sure |
| 17:18.10 | stew | lenswipe: aptitude isn't going to help you get a newer version of lmms any better than apt-get is |
| 17:18.18 | stew | lenswipe: so there is no reason to aptitud einstall it |
| 17:18.22 | nsadmin | c3l: exactly what I'm getting to. if he does, then he can fuck it up all he wants and not mess up his main machine |
| 17:18.52 | lenswipe | stew, right. so back to my original question then - why does lmms look like crap? |
| 17:18.58 | nsadmin | lenswipe: really a -spare- machine? ok, install debian on it and experiment |
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| 17:19.21 | lenswipe | damn thats my dinner out |
| 17:19.23 | lenswipe | brb |
| 17:19.29 | jordanm | even a VM would be nice, especially with vbox snapshots |
| 17:19.36 | Bushmills | wonders whether lenswipe is incapable of reading, after having received the answer to the last question twice already |
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| 17:20.18 | amphi | tries to parse 'damn thats my dinner out' |
| 17:20.24 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:20.29 | flixil | Hello. My computer hangs while in graphic mode (kde|gnome|xfce) in different distributions (ubuntu32bits(stable|testing)|debian64bits(testing)), with different kernels within them, in and with different graphic modules (radeon|vesa). Memtest didn't detect any flaw on my memory. I cannot isolate the error, as it seems random Please provide an insight about where to look |
| 17:20.32 | jordanm | lenswipe: but really, you need to improve how you learn, or these constant questions will never stop. it is not beneficial to you or the people helping to continue like this. |
| 17:21.16 | abrotman | flixil: HDD issue? overheating? .. did you get a crash log? does it work fine without X ? |
| 17:21.50 | nsadmin | how much ram does he have |
| 17:22.05 | flixil | abrotman, I cannot know if it works ok without X. But I never had a crash without X. Even running for a long time, like safe-upgrading or something |
| 17:22.25 | epeen | I'm having a tad bit of trouble... i've made my settings to not lock-up after 'x'mins, but the screen still locks up after about 5-10min. |
| 17:22.27 | nsadmin | you cannot know? try running it without x :) |
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| 17:22.43 | epeen | I'm using squeeze. |
| 17:22.46 | nsadmin | "cannot" is meaningless. either you don't know how or you choose not to. |
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| 17:23.03 | jordanm | epeen: screensaver could be picking up and locking the screen before your power management daemon does |
| 17:23.16 | jordanm | or vice versa |
| 17:23.18 | flixil | nsadmin, without X I haven't got any problem. Seems that happens only in X, so far didn't happen without X |
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| 17:23.34 | jordanm | flixil: a Xorg.0.log would be nice |
| 17:23.42 | flixil | I can post that |
| 17:23.44 | epeen | Ohh |
| 17:23.52 | epeen | I didn't even think about screensaver. |
| 17:23.53 | amphi | flixil: you don't notice elevated temps before it crashes? |
| 17:23.58 | epeen | Thanks, jordanm. |
| 17:24.04 | jordanm | epeen: np |
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| 17:24.17 | flixil | amphi, my computer is an amd laptop it has always been very hot |
| 17:24.25 | wildc4rd | evenin' all! |
| 17:24.43 | amphi | flixil: are you using the ondemand cpufreq governor? |
| 17:25.03 | flixil | The Xorg.0.log is http://pastebin.com/tyFR0W1v |
| 17:25.28 | flixil | amphi, is it used on a default debian installation? If so yes |
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| 17:26.00 | flixil | cpufrequtils and libcpufreq0 are installed |
| 17:26.39 | amphi | cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor would tell you |
| 17:26.44 | Enverex | I'm using Grub2 and one of my machines wont boot anymore. I've put the drive from that machine into this one and need to reinstall the Grub MBR on it, but can't find a way of doing that (telling it to install to THAT drive, as I'm not setting up this machine, I just need to install the MBR again so it'll boot on that machine) |
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| 17:26.57 | jordanm | flixil: did you configre xorg to use vesa? pastebin: /etc/X11/xorg.conf and the output of: lspci -nn; |
| 17:27.47 | jordanm | Enverex: grub-install --root=/mnt/point /dev/sdxx |
| 17:28.12 | jordanm | !tell Enverex about reinstall grub |
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| 17:30.15 | lenswipe | brb |
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| 17:31.57 | flixil | Sorry I had a crash. I'm without X now |
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| 17:32.12 | flixil | I got crashes using vesa and radeon |
| 17:32.14 | lenswipe | jordanm, okay ive installed the metapackage and aptitude is still being a bitch |
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| 17:33.03 | flixil | Can you please repeat where to know about the ondemand cpu governor? |
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| 17:34.01 | jeremy_g | trying to get to my debian on a netra t1 bought in 2001 with no vga only serial port |
| 17:34.10 | jeremy_g | 9600 8 N 1 but i get gibrish |
| 17:34.25 | jeremy_g | debian is there, just had lost ssh due to /etc/../interfaces fuck up |
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| 17:35.08 | nsadmin | lenswipe: you can run aptitude and see what it's planning to do next |
| 17:35.41 | nsadmin | if aptitude is being a bitch at least you can find out how and figure out why |
| 17:35.41 | DeathWolf | anyone familiar with the munin package? I just noticed that my www part of my munin has not been updated for a month now(which matches an apt-get upgrade I did) |
| 17:36.08 | lenswipe | nsadmin, i did, and the answer basically is "wipe gnome off the face of the earth" |
| 17:36.15 | lenswipe | nsadmin, even though i have the gnome metapackage installed |
| 17:36.28 | jeremy_g | anyone with sparcs and debian and serial ports. |
| 17:36.30 | nsadmin | try stew's thing then |
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| 17:37.00 | nsadmin | is the gnome metapackage installed with aptitude or with something else? |
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| 17:44.16 | DeathWolf | wow... is it me or the munin packages don't come with a readme |
| 17:44.28 | djura-san | O/ |
| 17:44.55 | flixil | Hello, as I stated before I got freezes when using X with radeon|vesa, gnome|kde|xfce and with different kernels, in a distro for 32 bits or debian 64 bits. Any insights about where to look? |
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| 17:45.11 | DeathWolf | munin-html is definitely running |
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| 17:45.36 | lenswipe | DeathWolf, what is munin-html? |
| 17:45.47 | DeathWolf | the part of munin that generates the graphs |
| 17:45.53 | DeathWolf | (and html) |
| 17:46.04 | DeathWolf | I just can't figure why it's not generating my graphs like before |
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| 17:48.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | DeathWolf, check bts |
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| 17:49.57 | Raptors | So am I screwed? |
| 17:50.56 | Raptors | err wrong channel |
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| 17:51.27 | ColdFyre | yes, Raptors |
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| 17:51.42 | Raptors | lol |
| 17:51.53 | CyberaX2195 | hmm, anyone about with exp of using router advertisements to advertise to specific interfaces and not others? |
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| 17:52.00 | Jarvis | ugh |
| 17:53.01 | Jarvis | i thought i changed my client to stop it using that nick :( |
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| 17:53.27 | nc3b | Hello. I've got the following problem: after setting net.ipv4.conf.all.send_redirects to 0 I can still see (using tcpdump) that it's still sending icmp redirects. How can I disable this ? I am using 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 17:53.45 | folivora | Hello, i'm running kernel 2.6.32-3-686, which are correct headers for it ? |
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| 17:54.08 | folivora | can't find 2.6.32-3-686 headers via apt... |
| 17:54.10 | Jarvis | nc3b: did u change /proc directly or did u go via sysctl ? |
| 17:54.23 | nc3b | I did it directly via sysctl |
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| 17:54.45 | Jarvis | did u do sysctl -w ? |
| 17:54.48 | Jarvis | to reload ? |
| 17:54.57 | nc3b | sysctl -w net.ipv4.conf.all.send_redirects=1 |
| 17:54.59 | folivora | Anyone ? |
| 17:55.00 | Jarvis | ah |
| 17:55.11 | Jarvis | is =0 to disable :P |
| 17:55.20 | nc3b | oh, sorry :"> |
| 17:55.20 | valdyn | folivora: that kernel is probably unsupported at this time |
| 17:55.31 | jordanm | folivora: that kernel is out of date, upgrade |
| 17:55.42 | nc3b | thanks, I must be really tired :)) |
| 17:55.45 | Jarvis | hehe np :p |
| 17:56.00 | folivora | i run aptitude update && aptitude upgrade it wont offer me any kernels... |
| 17:56.23 | valdyn | folivora: that is because "new" kernels get a new package name, its at linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 |
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| 17:57.12 | valdyn | folivora: if you want to track the latest kernel you should install "linux-image-686" |
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| 17:59.48 | abrotman | wonders where valdyn has been hiding |
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| 18:00.14 | abrotman | folivora: aptitude install linux-image-686 .. see if it wants to install a new kernel |
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| 18:11.31 | Nwab | himuraken, how to install a package from bakports ? |
| 18:11.49 | stew | Nwab: see http://backports.debian.org/Instructions |
| 18:11.58 | Nwab | thanks |
| 18:12.33 | jordanm | ah, good, they removed the horid 1001 pinning form the instructions |
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| 18:14.01 | jordanm | is it not possible to make the default pin set to 200? How is the initially pinning set in the first place? eg. testing would default to 500 whereas experimental and bdo would default to 1 |
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| 18:15.00 | stew | jordanm: its set to 1 by the fact that the Release file stats its not automatic |
| 18:15.35 | stew | jordanm: see: http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports/dists/lenny-backports/Release "NotAutomatic: yes" |
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| 18:17.15 | jordanm | stew: I see, thanks. I wander if there has been a proposal for more fine-tuning of that (to get a default pin of 200), or if its waiting on me to file a wishlist :). |
| 18:17.22 | jordanm | a Priority: field in the release file |
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| 18:18.24 | karlpinc | wishes /msg dpkg bdo list was in the backports FAQ |
| 18:20.07 | stew | karlpinc: http://lists.debian.org/debian-backports/ |
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| 18:21.14 | jordanm | alright, my request was already made as #596097 and #186767 |
| 18:21.40 | stew | did they get marked as wontfix yet? :) |
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| 18:22.04 | jordanm | stew: nope, marked as fixed |
| 18:22.07 | jordanm | ,versions apt |
| 18:22.08 | judd | Package apt on i386 -- etch: 0.6.46.4-0.1+etch1; etch-security: 0.6.46.4-0.1+etch1; lenny-security: 0.7.20.2+lenny1; lenny: 0.7.20.2+lenny2; squeeze-security: 0.7.20.2+squeeze1; squeeze: 0.8.0; sid: 0.8.5 |
| 18:22.19 | jordanm | I guess we will see it in wheezy |
| 18:22.35 | stew | oh, interesting |
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| 18:23.48 | karlpinc | stew: Sent a mail to the list. Of course it will bounce and I'll have to go through the subscription dance. |
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| 18:26.01 | jordanm | karlpinc: you shouldn't need to be subscribed to a list to post to it |
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| 18:27.01 | karlpinc | jordanm: It depends on the list. (And I'm annoyed that mailman does not tell you whether you need to be subscribed or not. Smartlist on the other hand has no web interface so there's no issue.) |
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| 18:37.00 | pflanze | Is there a tool that gives a list of packages that have not been used during the last N days? |
| 18:37.23 | pflanze | (assuming, the noatime mount option is not being used) |
| 18:37.32 | X-Raimo | I made slapd to serve two LDAP bases. Where should I define second's admin password? |
| 18:37.43 | pflanze | I'm suffering from an incredible amount of bloat on my systems. |
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| 18:38.59 | karlpinc | pflanze: Script something using find to find files, dpkg -S to find the packages they belong to, sort -u for uniqueness, and possibly xargs. |
| 18:39.22 | pflanze | Yeah, I was hoping not to have to write it myself. |
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| 18:39.39 | pflanze | Also, your suggestion is very inefficient, |
| 18:39.52 | pflanze | as using dpkg -S is using scanning, |
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| 18:39.54 | karlpinc | pflanze: Yes. |
| 18:40.03 | {g} | anybody any idea how i can paste into a vinagre window? |
| 18:40.03 | angel-tsankov | can I get an old version of debian somewhere on the site? |
| 18:40.07 | pflanze | so this is some O(n^2) performance thing (or maybe worse) |
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| 18:40.41 | pflanze | It just feels a hell of a hack when doing something like this myself. |
| 18:40.42 | karlpinc | pflanze: How many times are you going to need to run it? |
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| 18:41.03 | pflanze | Because I don't know how to do it "right", because I don't know the debian tools internals well. |
| 18:41.09 | cesar_CR | hello guys, I have a problem with my debian lenny, a let an unstable repo and I did an apt-get upgrade, now my debian doesn not work |
| 18:41.10 | jordanm | !tell angel-tsankov about snapshots |
| 18:41.23 | jordanm | cesar_CR: restore from backup |
| 18:41.24 | pflanze | karlpinc: probably enough times to not to want to wait for a day each time. |
| 18:41.30 | pflanze | (or worse?) |
| 18:41.45 | pflanze | (probably worse) |
| 18:42.32 | cesar_CR | how can I diagnose the problem and solve it ? |
| 18:42.56 | stew | cesar_CR: you intend to be running stable? or help test testing/unstable? |
| 18:43.26 | jordanm | cesar_CR: the problem is that you failed to upgrade to unstable. depending on what has been upgraded, there may be no way of going back. if you have a backup, I would use it |
| 18:44.02 | cesar_CR | stew any one that works |
| 18:44.41 | cesar_CR | jordanm, going back I think is imposible, but going forward ? testing maybe ? |
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| 18:45.12 | jordanm | cesar_CR: what prompted you to do this in the first place? |
| 18:45.39 | andares | hey, what do I have to set in my xorg.conf to make X use the Dvorak keyboard layout by default? |
| 18:45.56 | andares | something like Layout "dvorak"? |
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| 18:47.28 | cesar_CR | first of all I wanted python 2.5 so I added a unstable repo, the I forgot it was there and when gnome update manager told me that the upgrade was of 1950Mbytes |
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| 18:47.44 | joeytwiddle | cesar_CR: you might be able to downgrade again if apt is working http://www.piirakka.com/misc_help/Linux/Debian-Specific/downgrade_debian.html |
| 18:47.49 | cesar_CR | jordam stupid me did not suspect and hited Go! |
| 18:47.51 | jordanm | cesar_CR: 2.5 is in stable |
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| 18:48.12 | stew | cesar_CR: the easiest thing might be to reinstall stable |
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| 18:48.43 | cesar_CR | joeytwiddle, apt is working |
| 18:48.56 | abrotman | joeytwiddle: that article is from 2002 ... |
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| 18:50.43 | stew | cesar_CR: joeytwiddle: those instructions are for getting the old packages installed, not for actually making sure they work, by undoing changes done by the upgrade to things like config files and data files |
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| 18:57.21 | cesar_CR | jordanm stew so there no option only reinstall ? |
| 18:57.43 | stew | cesar_CR: if you want to be running stable |
| 18:57.48 | jordanm | or run sid, which is highly not recommended, as it is not supported here and you will be on your own |
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| 18:58.17 | stew | cesar_CR: if you want to end up on testing, you'd have to actually give us an idea of what is wrong |
| 18:59.11 | jordanm | guesses udev failed to install, followed by a chain of broken packages |
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| 18:59.22 | nsadmin | if you want to go back to stable, you would reinstall, but you might be able to keep your /home |
| 19:00.03 | tom719co | hello i just tried to restart apache and am getting an error: [Fri Sep 24 13:59:43 2010] [error] (EAI 2)Name or service not known: Failed to resolve server name for 10.1.1.10 (check DNS) -- or specify an explicit ServerName |
| 19:00.12 | tom719co | i tried to set ServerName to localhost, but it didn't help |
| 19:00.16 | tom719co | and I don't see it set anywhere |
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| 19:00.30 | tom719co | i did a grep 'ServerName' * in / and it found nothing |
| 19:00.30 | teago | 1 |
| 19:00.35 | nsadmin | localhost is not 10.1.1.10 |
| 19:00.38 | jordanm | tom719co: ServerName should be the FQDN of your site. this FQDN should also be present in /etc/hosts |
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| 19:01.00 | tom719co | well this page referenced localhost as a work around |
| 19:01.00 | tom719co | http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/wiki/index.php/Quick_HOWTO_:_Ch20_:_The_Apache_Web_Server |
| 19:01.43 | tom719co | so where do i set it? i tried httd.conf and apache2.conf and it had no efffect |
| 19:01.55 | stew | tom719co: have you configured <VirtualHost> entries? or is everything being served for the main host? |
| 19:01.55 | jordanm | tom719co: you seem to be following guides for RHEL |
| 19:02.14 | jordanm | tom719co: see /usr/share/doc/apache2/README.Debian.gz for how configuration is handled in debian |
| 19:02.28 | tom719co | yes there are several files in /etc/apache2/sites-available |
| 19:02.35 | tom719co | i'm only worried about 1 site though |
| 19:02.39 | tom719co | intranet-ssl |
| 19:02.44 | jordanm | tom719co: (typically /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/*) |
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| 19:02.51 | tom719co | the Only change I made was I overwrote the certificate with an updated one |
| 19:02.57 | stew | tom719co: do the VirtualHosts defined in sites-available all declare a ServerName? |
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| 19:03.20 | tom719co | no none of them do |
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| 19:03.25 | tom719co | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:03.47 | stew | tom719co: this warning is typically ignorable. you might want to set a server name on those virtualhosts though |
| 19:04.04 | tom719co | ok so it does it 3 times and says failed |
| 19:04.04 | jordanm | stew: its probably not ignoreable for SSL |
| 19:04.06 | tom719co | and the site is down |
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| 19:04.30 | stew | jordanm: why? |
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| 19:05.05 | stew | but i think they should probably be set anyway |
| 19:05.17 | stew | tom719co: i'd guess there is something else wrong. check the web server's error logs |
| 19:05.40 | jordanm | stew: because with SSL the name that the server indentifies itself as has to match the cert |
| 19:05.47 | andares | hey, my clock says that it's 7pm instead of like 3pm. wat gives? |
| 19:05.49 | andares | *what |
| 19:06.04 | jordanm | the same reason that SSL does not work with named-based vhosts |
| 19:06.11 | stew | jordanm: are you sure about that? the ssl negotiation is done long before a servername would ever be sent |
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| 19:06.29 | jordanm | stew: no, let me check my reference |
| 19:06.29 | nsadmin | andares: your tz is utc probably |
| 19:06.34 | stew | jordanm: its that the CN insise the cert needs to match what the CLIENT thinks its going to, the server doesn't care |
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| 19:06.53 | nsadmin | andares: show output of command date |
| 19:07.18 | stew | jordanm: (this is just an intellectual exercise, of course. he should be setting it regardless) |
| 19:07.32 | tom719co | where are the apache logs by default |
| 19:07.37 | stew | tom719co: /var/log/apache2 |
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| 19:08.01 | Farrah | heh |
| 19:08.03 | nsadmin | the config file will have that info too |
| 19:08.15 | stew | tom719co: but we DO recommend that every VirtualHost have ServerName set |
| 19:08.24 | jordanm | stew: ah, it says that the reason is that apache needs to know the name of the host prior to seeing the HTTP request header, which is how it knows the host in named-based configuration |
| 19:08.51 | stew | jordanm: right, but with ssl its not going to be name based |
| 19:08.52 | tom719co | ok doing a restart and then ls -lrt |
| 19:09.01 | tom719co | i see no files changed today except error.log but it's empty |
| 19:09.08 | stew | jordanm: and in those cases, the server warns you that you have overlapping NameVirtualHosts |
| 19:09.11 | tom719co | (i just deleted it so i wouldnt see old data) |
| 19:09.18 | flixil | My computer crashes while in X, doesn't matter gnome,kde or xfce. I tried Ubuntu 32bits and debian testing 64 bits with same results. Different kernels make no difference. Can someone point how to find the error? |
| 19:09.23 | jordanm | stew: yes, I just thought the same problem would occur with the a missing ServerName, but I see that is not the case |
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| 19:09.31 | nsadmin | did you look at it before deleting it |
| 19:09.59 | tom719co | yes |
| 19:10.00 | stew | tom719co: now you might find that apache doesn't have permission to write to it. you might ahve to touch the log and chown www-data:adm |
| 19:10.02 | jordanm | I assume it still needs to be able to resolve the name of the host in some way (eg. /etc/hosts) |
| 19:10.39 | stew | jordanm: i believe this is the webserver talking about one of the addresses its bound to and saying "hey you didn't give me servername, so i'm trying to figure it out on my own and failing" |
| 19:10.44 | jordanm | tom719co: in the future, you may want to force a logrotate instead of deleting |
| 19:10.51 | tom719co | all the other logs are root:adm |
| 19:11.06 | tom719co | ok most of them |
| 19:11.07 | tom719co | not all |
| 19:11.10 | tom719co | some root:root |
| 19:11.13 | jordanm | ok? |
| 19:11.13 | stew | tom719co: ahh, right, nm me |
| 19:11.44 | nsadmin | at least now you can restart the server and watch the log |
| 19:11.55 | stew | jordanm: (and really, i'm not trying to be argumentative or pedantic, trying to help us both learn :) ) |
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| 19:12.21 | tom719co | no mention of 10.1.1.10 in /etc/hosts |
| 19:12.36 | flixil | I tried with radeon and vesa. Both crash |
| 19:12.37 | nsadmin | try dig 10.1.1.10 |
| 19:12.39 | jordanm | stew: you didn't come accross as argumentative, and I am trying to learn :) |
| 19:12.51 | tom719co | got 127.0.0.1 for localhost, and 1270.1.1 for "linux.OURDOMAIN.COM" |
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| 19:13.24 | nsadmin | you have a personal domain? |
| 19:13.33 | jordanm | tom719co: you want the FQDN to be marked for the external interface, not the loopback |
| 19:13.39 | tom719co | ; <<>> DiG 9.5.1-P3 <<>> 10.1.1.10 |
| 19:13.39 | tom719co | ;; global options: printcmd |
| 19:13.39 | tom719co | ;; Got answer: |
| 19:13.39 | tom719co | ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 11698 |
| 19:13.39 | tom719co | ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0 |
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| 19:14.22 | nsadmin | cmon, I didn't say paste, just try |
| 19:14.28 | tom719co | sorry |
| 19:14.42 | tom719co | not sure what to look for |
| 19:14.46 | nsadmin | np. so general dns doesn't find your domain |
| 19:14.48 | tom719co | it's ip should be something else |
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| 19:15.00 | tom719co | there is no FQDN in hosts |
| 19:15.03 | stew | tom719co: you should be able to just set a ServerName for each VirtualHost, add a default ServerName to httpd.conf, restart and be done with this part |
| 19:15.08 | nsadmin | do you actually own a domain you bought from some service? |
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| 19:15.16 | tom719co | ok i added it to some let me finish |
| 19:15.57 | stew | though adding a mapping for 10.1.1.10 to /etc/hosts is also perhaps a good idea |
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| 19:18.08 | nsadmin | it's at least a marginal idea; it will get you started; once dns servers answer for your domain (you have not answered yet: do you own a domain that you want to put apache on?), those entries should be removed from /etc/hosts and instead you shoudl be running a local caching dns |
| 19:18.11 | tom719co | ok you're right |
| 19:18.14 | tom719co | now it only says: |
| 19:18.16 | tom719co | Restarting web server: apache2 failed! |
| 19:18.26 | nsadmin | check logs |
| 19:18.39 | nsadmin | as they will be more detailed on why it failed |
| 19:18.45 | tom719co | the only change i made was new crt file |
| 19:18.55 | tom719co | so could it fail for missing root cert or something? |
| 19:18.58 | stew | then that's a likely candidate, but the error log would tell you |
| 19:19.08 | nsadmin | find out what happened from the logs |
| 19:19.19 | stew | it could fail on crt and key not matching, a permission problem |
| 19:19.31 | tom719co | oh duh |
| 19:19.33 | tom719co | let me check permissions |
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| 19:19.48 | stew | or just check the error log |
| 19:20.17 | nsadmin | if you're going to be doing this web application programming thing, checking the error log after each error is probably going to be YOUR MOST USED TOOL that brings you information |
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| 19:20.45 | tom719co | still nothing new in apache logs |
| 19:20.48 | tom719co | how do i force rotation |
| 19:20.50 | nsadmin | the only way it wouldn't is if you fail to check and therefore sit around wondering what happened |
| 19:20.57 | stew | tom719co: do you have error.log? |
| 19:21.08 | tom719co | it's empty (0) but yes |
| 19:21.22 | stew | tom719co: does "apache2ctl configtest" return OK? |
| 19:21.36 | tom719co | yes |
| 19:21.46 | stew | tom719co: are there apache processes already running? |
| 19:22.28 | nsadmin | I wonder if you can run apache2 in the foreground and watch its output |
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| 19:22.48 | tom719co | just made error.log have same permissions as error.log.1 and same ..nothing |
| 19:22.57 | tom719co | i tried rebooting too but let me check |
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| 19:23.12 | nsadmin | stop and restart just apache |
| 19:23.42 | tom719co | i havent been restarting anything else |
| 19:23.43 | stew | tom719co: can you "grep -r ErrorLog /etc/apache2/" to see if perhaps you have it configured to go somewhere else? |
| 19:23.55 | tom719co | i just tried seperate stop and start, stop worked but i dont think it was running .. start failed |
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| 19:24.36 | jeremy_g | i wanna boot in single user mode on with debian on sparc (using silo), linux single not working |
| 19:24.44 | tom719co | every log is in /var/log/apache2 |
| 19:24.47 | nsadmin | I don't think we're getting enough information, and I do think we're getting too much noise |
| 19:26.42 | jeremy_g | boot -s |
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| 19:26.54 | nsadmin | or init S |
| 19:26.57 | nsadmin | I gues |
| 19:27.50 | nsadmin | tom719co: the first thing is we need to get those logs working, so far they're not, and until they do, we're all guessing as to what the problem really is |
| 19:27.58 | stew | tom719co: you could also try "apache2ctl start" but I'd not expect it to act much differently |
| 19:28.28 | tom719co | no error |
| 19:28.37 | stew | tom719co: is apache actually running? |
| 19:28.40 | nsadmin | ok, ps aux |
| 19:28.47 | nsadmin | don't paste it here! |
| 19:28.58 | nsadmin | look thru it yourself and see if apache is running |
| 19:28.58 | tom719co | it's httpd right - no |
| 19:29.06 | stew | tom719co: no, its apache2 |
| 19:29.28 | tom719co | k.. ps ax|grep apache2 reports nothing |
| 19:29.38 | tom719co | sept the grep command |
| 19:29.52 | nsadmin | ok, hmm |
| 19:29.59 | nsadmin | what os you running again? |
| 19:30.06 | tom719co | debian 5 |
| 19:30.12 | nsadmin | ok let me see |
| 19:30.34 | jeremy_g | debian guys what could make my debian stuck when it starts up networking and then portmap...it just says eth0 started, eth1... and then says eth4 ..pause not enabled or sth |
| 19:30.42 | jeremy_g | then its just stuck |
| 19:31.13 | stew | tom719co: you could try ". /etc/apaceh/envvars ; apache2 -X" |
| 19:31.21 | stew | tom719co: which starts it without detaching to see if you get errors |
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| 19:32.05 | nsadmin | so I'm able to run apache2 and it spews what would have gone to the logs to stdout or stderr |
| 19:32.13 | stew | tom719co: uhh, that should be ". /etc/apache2/envvars ; apache2 -X" |
| 19:32.26 | tom719co | apache2: bad user name ${APACHE_RUN_USER} |
| 19:32.36 | stew | tom719co: did you run ". /etc/apache2/envvars" first? |
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| 19:32.49 | tom719co | yes u put a ; |
| 19:32.56 | tom719co | i copied and pasted.. and fixed your typo ;) |
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| 19:33.06 | pallgone | ,info zssh |
| 19:33.07 | judd | Package zssh (net, optional) in lenny/i386: interactive file transfers over ssh. Version: 1.5c.debian.1-3; Size: 21.4k; Installed: 88k |
| 19:33.28 | stew | tom719co: whaat does "grep APACHE_RUN_USER /etc/apache2/envvars" return? |
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| 19:33.48 | tom719co | www-data |
| 19:34.03 | stew | tom719co: it must return more than that |
| 19:34.06 | nsadmin | I did this and I got a little more: |
| 19:34.19 | tom719co | export APACHE_RUN_USER=www-data |
| 19:34.21 | tom719co | full output.. |
| 19:34.22 | nsadmin | APACHE_RUN_USER=www-data APACHE_RUN_GROUP=www-data apache2 |
| 19:34.43 | stew | tom719co: and "getent passwd www-data" returns *something*? |
| 19:35.02 | tom719co | yes |
| 19:35.17 | stew | then i'm not sure why it would be compaining about APACHE_RUN_USER |
| 19:35.47 | tom719co | ok i just tried apache2 -X by itself |
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| 19:36.05 | tom719co | and got: apache2: bad group name ${APACHE_RUN_GROUP} |
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| 19:36.13 | stew | uhh |
| 19:36.17 | nsadmin | APACHE_RUN_USER=www-data APACHE_RUN_GROUP=www-data apache2 |
| 19:36.23 | nsadmin | try that |
| 19:36.23 | stew | which means that now APACHE_RUN_USER is set |
| 19:36.25 | stew | somehow |
| 19:36.41 | nsadmin | from the . /script/thingy probably |
| 19:36.44 | stew | (we expect both of them to be set by ". /etc/apache2/envvars" |
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| 19:36.50 | J_P | hi all |
| 19:36.53 | tom719co | same error after your command nsadmin |
| 19:37.02 | stew | nsadmin: but it somehow mysteriously didn't work before, and that would have set APACHE_RUN_GROUP too |
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| 19:37.14 | tom719co | mysteriously Did work before |
| 19:37.19 | tom719co | before i chaged a single CRT file.. |
| 19:37.20 | nsadmin | we might as well find out: |
| 19:37.33 | nsadmin | echo $APACHE_RUN_GROUP |
| 19:37.46 | nsadmin | if it's not set should give blank line |
| 19:37.46 | tom719co | blank |
| 19:38.00 | stew | tom719co: what does "echo $SHELL" return? |
| 19:38.23 | J_P | is is possible to killall all applications running like as : 29616 pts/9 Sl 0:01 python task.py |
| 19:38.24 | J_P | 29619 pts/9 Sl 0:01 python task.py |
| 19:38.32 | tom719co | /bin/bash |
| 19:38.37 | J_P | I would like killall all task.py, how iss possible? |
| 19:38.47 | J_P | killall task.py not works |
| 19:38.53 | nsadmin | tom719co, same error? what error? are you sure you typed it in correctly? |
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| 19:38.58 | J_P | and I can't killall python |
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| 19:39.07 | J_P | because are there other apps running with python |
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| 19:39.49 | stew | J_P: pkill -f task\.py |
| 19:40.05 | stew | J_P: (see the pgrep/pkill manpage) |
| 19:40.32 | stew | tom719co: are you SURE you ran ". /etc/apache2/envvars" with the leading period? something is fishy |
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| 19:41.18 | nsadmin | stew: fishy, yep |
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| 19:42.04 | nsadmin | is unsure of what this guy is running, I can't trust the communication enough |
| 19:42.16 | tom719co | yes i did the . |
| 19:42.18 | tom719co | just did it again now |
| 19:42.20 | tom719co | by itself |
| 19:42.27 | stew | echo $APACHE_RUN_GROUP[6~[5~ |
| 19:42.27 | nsadmin | ok, |
| 19:42.29 | stew | err |
| 19:42.31 | stew | echo $APACHE_RUN_GROUP |
| 19:42.32 | tom719co | ok set now |
| 19:42.40 | tom719co | not sure why it didnt work before |
| 19:42.41 | stew | now run "apache2 -X" |
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| 19:42.51 | stew | gremlins |
| 19:42.54 | tom719co | no error |
| 19:43.04 | tom719co | nothing in ps ax |
| 19:43.04 | nsadmin | any output? |
| 19:43.08 | tom719co | no |
| 19:43.09 | tom719co | nothing |
| 19:43.15 | nsadmin | ok, try without -X |
| 19:43.20 | stew | tom719co: is the site running? |
| 19:43.24 | tom719co | no output |
| 19:43.33 | stew | tom719co: can you hit it from a browser? can you connect to port 80? port 443? |
| 19:43.43 | tom719co | not running |
| 19:43.52 | J_P | stew: thanks |
| 19:44.11 | tom719co | telnet intranet 43 ....no answer |
| 19:44.16 | tom719co | oops |
| 19:44.17 | tom719co | 443 |
| 19:44.19 | tom719co | i did 443 |
| 19:44.32 | tom719co | 80 same thing |
| 19:44.41 | stew | tom719co: check netstat to see if anything is listening to tcp/80 or tcp/443 |
| 19:44.57 | stew | tom719co: like run "netstat -plnt | grep :443" |
| 19:45.22 | nsadmin | stew: the -X makes it run in the foreground? |
| 19:45.37 | stew | nsadmin: spawn a single process and don't fork |
| 19:45.51 | nsadmin | thanks |
| 19:46.02 | tom719co | netstat is going very slow |
| 19:46.03 | pflanze | How do you configure grub2 in Debian? |
| 19:46.08 | tom719co | i didnt grep but output is very readable |
| 19:46.10 | tom719co | because it's very slow |
| 19:46.14 | stew | "debug mode (only one worker, do not detach)" |
| 19:46.32 | stew | tom719co: its slow? did you actually use -plnt? did you really have the n? |
| 19:46.46 | tom719co | ok nevermind |
| 19:46.48 | stew | ... |
| 19:46.50 | tom719co | let me do your command |
| 19:47.14 | tom719co | i need coffee |
| 19:47.18 | tom719co | i did that on windows hehehe |
| 19:47.24 | tom719co | ok no output right away on netstat -plnt | grep :443 |
| 19:47.47 | stew | tom719co: and the "apache2 -X" is still just sitting and not saying anything? |
| 19:48.00 | tom719co | no it returns to prompt immediately with no output |
| 19:48.04 | stew | oh |
| 19:48.55 | stew | tom719co: how about "apache2 -X -e debug" |
| 19:49.18 | tom719co | ok got feedback |
| 19:49.33 | tom719co | loaded module ...different ones |
| 19:49.37 | tom719co | last one is status_module |
| 19:49.41 | tom719co | then return to prompt |
| 19:49.45 | tom719co | 2nd to last is ssl_module |
| 19:49.58 | tom719co | no error |
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| 19:52.46 | nsadmin | if you're doing -X and it's returning to prompt something is wrong |
| 19:52.55 | tom719co | i found the old crt |
| 19:53.00 | tom719co | gonna put it back and see if the site goes back up |
| 19:54.00 | stew | its odd to me that there are no errors, no error log |
| 19:54.12 | stew | especially now that we're taking the init script out of the equation |
| 19:54.34 | stew | hmm, -E file -> log startup errors to file |
| 19:54.57 | nsadmin | well there is a log of activity, it shows the modules loading |
| 19:55.10 | stew | tom719co: you could try "apache2 -X -e debug -E /tmp/apache.log" and see if /tmp/apache.log gets anything interesting |
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| 19:55.56 | tom719co | oh i feel so stupid |
| 19:55.59 | tom719co | i think i just figured it out |
| 19:56.44 | Damian__ | Hi! Which do you think is the best spackage to use to backup Windows machines? |
| 19:57.08 | nsadmin | to spack.. or to not spack... |
| 19:57.18 | Damian__ | I need to make a central backup to drive connected to the Debian box. |
| 19:57.43 | tom719co | nevermind |
| 19:57.51 | tom719co | i thought i named the crt wrong but i didnt |
| 19:58.04 | stew | tom719co: you should still be getting errors about it |
| 19:58.06 | tom719co | ok it doesnt start even with the old cert |
| 19:59.04 | tom719co | ok it gave me the same feedback as before |
| 19:59.12 | tom719co | (/tmp/apache.log) |
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| 20:00.20 | MrRenegade5050 | quick question i'm in ssh terminal with my debian box whats a good text editor |
| 20:00.47 | Damian__ | nano ? |
| 20:01.09 | Damian__ | mcedit ? |
| 20:01.19 | Damian__ | vi is probably installed |
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| 20:01.58 | MrRenegade5050 | hmm mcedit isn't installed |
| 20:02.01 | MrRenegade5050 | vi and nano are |
| 20:02.13 | Damian__ | good to know |
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| 20:03.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | Damian__, partimage? there's a debian-based livecd called clonezilla, which seems to use partclone (which is not in Debian) |
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| 20:06.02 | jordanm | Damian__: MrRenegade: you can always use /usr/bin/editor for the system default |
| 20:06.26 | MrRenegade | ? |
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| 20:07.36 | Cricket | what is the aptitude purge command, like ~a or something, to remove it completely, including configs, etc? |
| 20:07.49 | Damian__ | CutMeOwnThroat: I need something automated to make daily backups from multiple Windows machines. |
| 20:08.15 | jordanm | Cricket: I don't understand the question.. "aptitude purge <package>" |
| 20:08.28 | Cricket | jordanm: it's aptitude purge ~c |
| 20:08.33 | Cricket | jordanm: i just figured it out ;p |
| 20:08.41 | jordanm | Damian__: the best plan is to never store any data on those workstations in the first place, if possible |
| 20:09.34 | Damian__ | jordanm: they are actually Windows servers. web servers |
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| 20:10.12 | jhutchins_lt | Damian__: There are client/server packages that are meant for that kind of backup, but most backup is just done using the various tools available in linux. |
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| 20:11.17 | tom719co | sorry got a call |
| 20:11.32 | Damian__ | jhutchins_lt: Yes, I have found Amanda, but it is so much configuration in there. |
| 20:11.33 | jhutchins_lt | Damian__: There is smbtar |
| 20:11.50 | jhutchins_lt | Damian__: Anything that will do it is going to take significant configuration. |
| 20:11.52 | jordanm | I believe amanda is tape-oriented |
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| 20:12.04 | tom719co | rebooting since i havent tried that since putting old crt back |
| 20:12.12 | jhutchins_lt | jordanm: Pretty much anything is going to be tape oriented. tar. |
| 20:12.12 | jordanm | Damian__: windows has built-in backup utilities, just point the destination at a samba share on the linux server |
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| 20:14.01 | jhutchins_lt | Damian__: Probably ought to look at rdiff-backup |
| 20:14.17 | Damian__ | jordanm: that's a good idea. I have to check whether windows server 2008 has this tools on board, because I found this OS missing many utilities when it is run as virtual server. |
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| 20:14.35 | scx | hello |
| 20:14.46 | scx | i have old VIA/S3 Graphic Card |
| 20:15.00 | jordanm | Damian__: you have to add it as a feature, and it is *considerably* better than the former NTBackup |
| 20:15.17 | scx | it is Unichrome (CLE266/VT8235) |
| 20:15.52 | scx | it is integrated gpu on VIA EPIA MII 1200 motherboard |
| 20:16.06 | scx | which driver i should install? |
| 20:16.11 | Damian__ | jordanm: yes, you're right; I have already discovered the features installation mechanism. |
| 20:16.24 | nsadmin | scx: you have debian installed now? |
| 20:16.46 | scx | via closed-source, via open source, xorg, unichrome, openchrome or vesa? |
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| 20:17.17 | tom719co | ok apache didnt start on reboot |
| 20:17.19 | scx | nsadmin: not yet on this hardware |
| 20:17.25 | tom719co | still get failed! on restart command |
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| 20:17.39 | tom719co | but |
| 20:17.43 | tom719co | got something in error.log now |
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| 20:18.08 | tom719co | [Fri Sep 24 14:49:11 2010] [info] Init: Initialized OpenSSL library |
| 20:18.10 | tom719co | twice |
| 20:18.13 | tom719co | (different times) |
| 20:18.17 | tom719co | but identical otherwise |
| 20:18.26 | tom719co | in /var/log/apache2/error.log |
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| 20:19.17 | MrRenegade | ok i got a bone to pick with a wiki writer tells me to use iface however iface isn't installed and have no idea how to do so |
| 20:19.54 | tom719co | permissions are right on the crt |
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| 20:21.03 | tom719co | oh |
| 20:21.15 | jelly-hme | MrRenegade: "iface" sounds more like interfaces(5) syntax than a command, are you sure you got the context right? |
| 20:21.53 | tom719co | i bet the key doesnt match the old crt |
| 20:22.06 | jhutchins_lt | That's the nice thing about wikis, you can always write your own the way you want it. |
| 20:22.17 | tom719co | i dont have the old one tho |
| 20:22.50 | nsadmin | tom719co: as far as I can see you've not been successful in getting apache started at all, even non-ssl... is this right? |
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| 20:23.15 | tom719co | right |
| 20:23.16 | MrRenegade | jelly-hme its saying to use auto eth0 and iface eth0 inet dhcp and its all coming up as command not found |
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| 20:23.53 | jelly-hme | MrRenegade: that _is_ /etc/network/interfaces syntax. |
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| 20:24.02 | jelly-hme | MrRenegade: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 20:24.15 | nsadmin | so what I think you should do, is back up your config files and then alter the original so it does not do any ssl... you're just going to do plain http on port 80 |
| 20:24.16 | jelly-hme | MrRenegade: which URL are you referring to? |
| 20:24.25 | MrRenegade | http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration |
| 20:25.00 | jelly-hme | MrRenegade: the first sentence says "he majority of network setup can be done via the interfaces configuration file at /etc/network/interfaces." |
| 20:25.08 | jelly-hme | MrRenegade: it's a config file. Edit it. |
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| 20:26.40 | johnfg | hooray! This is from lenny! Looks like at least one bug is worked out of squeeze! Gotta run to another job, but thanks for the help! |
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| 20:27.08 | grifo74 | hello i like try debian i need all cd's??? |
| 20:27.19 | pflanze | I've got a weird problem: input from my usb keyboard works just fine in the console, and it works in X in ubuntu, but in Debian testing's gdm, keyboard input doesn't show up. |
| 20:27.33 | pflanze | Typing does inhibit the cursor stroke from blinking, though. |
| 20:28.06 | pflanze | But no characters appear, and I can't switch to a console with Alt-Ctl-F1 |
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| 20:28.34 | pflanze | Same when I just run "X" from a root console; so it's not gdm's fault. |
| 20:28.34 | Damian__ | pflanze: maybe you've got gdm setting of not showing characters enabled |
| 20:28.36 | ondrejk | hello, im looking for any videochat software for linux |
| 20:28.52 | Damian__ | ondrejk: ekiga? |
| 20:29.01 | pflanze | Damian__: what's that? I don't have any xort.conf (had to delete it to get X at all, I think) |
| 20:29.14 | ondrejk | erm, videochat server software |
| 20:29.23 | ksx4system | is it possible to check disk performance on OpenVZ boxes? Debian-powered ones of course. |
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| 20:30.22 | pflanze | Damian__: ah gdm (misread that for drm), but as I say, it's not gdm's fault, and I can't even enter the username, and I can't select the popup menues with meta and hitting return doesn't complain about missing pw. |
| 20:30.28 | grifo74 | hi i need to know if i need all 31 cd to make install debian???????????????????' |
| 20:30.43 | pflanze | Keyboard input is really dead except it's not on the kernel level, it's in X. |
| 20:31.07 | joshb | grifo74: no |
| 20:31.08 | pflanze | (and X even *does* receive some kind of event, since it makes it stop blinking the cursor) |
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| 20:31.45 | joshb | grifo74: if you have I'net access you could use 1 CD even, I installed from 6 |
| 20:32.04 | Damian__ | pflanze: have you tried dpkg-reconfigure xorg-server and configure keyboard once again? |
| 20:32.25 | Damian__ | *xorg-xserver |
| 20:33.27 | qq- | Damian__, 'dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver' is deprecate , use 'Xorg -configure' |
| 20:34.08 | Damian__ | qq: thanks |
| 20:34.57 | nsadmin | grifo74: probably you could use a cd that has an approx 170mb image on it |
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| 20:35.36 | nsadmin | those are called netinstall images (altho all of the installer and all of the base would be on that cd) |
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| 20:37.06 | pflanze | Damian__: I'll do that now; just realized that "startx" then selecting the gnome keyboard applet and choosing a keyboard makes it work, so it's something with the keymap. |
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| 20:39.17 | TbHack | I have installed a debian machine and I cannot get openssh-server installed using apt |
| 20:39.28 | syn4pse | http://stfu.pastebin.com |
| 20:39.29 | TbHack | I think Im missing a link from sources.list, can anybody help? |
| 20:39.32 | syn4pse | upload the output |
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| 20:39.57 | TbHack | syn4pse: that to me ? |
| 20:39.59 | syn4pse | yes |
| 20:40.01 | syn4pse | or sec |
| 20:40.13 | syn4pse | if its only the sources |
| 20:40.26 | syn4pse | nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:40.49 | syn4pse | http://stfu.pastebin.com/nK8BPCye |
| 20:40.55 | syn4pse | those are mine ;) |
| 20:41.05 | syn4pse | then sudo apt-get update |
| 20:41.07 | syn4pse | and try again |
| 20:41.46 | TbHack | cool let me try that |
| 20:43.45 | bolt | where are you supposed to store routing tables on debian? i currently have a few "route" commands running from my /etc/rc.local. is this okay? should they be somewhere else? |
| 20:44.04 | pflanze | Damian__: neither xserver-xorg nor xserver-xorg-core nor xserver-xorg-input-all xserver-xorg-input-kbd give anything to reconfigure when running dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 20:45.38 | Damian__ | pflanze: maybe the configuration level is set like that, but have you tried Xorg -configure as qq- advised? |
| 20:46.22 | Bushmills | bolt, /etc/network/interfaces or the if-up.d dir in there are candates for scripts which should execute when an interface comes up (or goes down) |
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| 20:47.02 | rmrfslash | Who knows the difference between tempfile and mktemp? |
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| 20:47.54 | rmrfslash | I was looking at the source for xvfb-run, trying to get it to run on RHEL and realized that the author was using tempfile instead of mktemp in a certain location |
| 20:48.02 | pflanze | Now I've run Xorg --configure, mv xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf, init..gdm start, no change. |
| 20:48.07 | rmrfslash | I wasn't sure exactly why he/she did this |
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| 20:49.33 | rmrfslash | The lines were as follows: http://pastebin.com/VxjBLVcv |
| 20:49.54 | rmrfslash | That's the author's version, then the modification I made. |
| 20:50.04 | rmrfslash | I'm wondering what might be the ramifications of this |
| 20:50.49 | pflanze | What does Ubuntu do so that its X runs out of the box with some default keymap? |
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| 20:51.54 | rmrfslash | Isn't using tempfile -n the same effectively as `touch` |
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| 20:53.16 | jhutchins_kc | pflanze: You should try the tested, released version of debian instead of testing. |
| 20:53.36 | pflanze | jhutchins_kc: oh.. that's where I'm coming from. Didn't work on this box. |
| 20:53.52 | jhutchins_kc | pflanze: You could do a bug search, see if someone has a workaround. |
| 20:53.53 | pflanze | Now at least grub works. |
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| 20:54.29 | jhutchins | If you can't get lenny to work, you're relying on pure chance to get squeeze working. |
| 20:54.46 | pflanze | lenny didn't work because of grub1, and |
| 20:54.49 | pflanze | well tons of brokenness |
| 20:54.54 | pflanze | hoped for some fixes. |
| 20:55.10 | pflanze | And man I'd love to use ubuntu if it weren't for other things I don't like about the latter. |
| 20:55.11 | jhutchins | Not much broken on lenny. Some hardware issues with newer graphics. |
| 20:55.39 | pflanze | The lenny kernels didnt boot. |
| 20:56.18 | pflanze | Anyway, I've got testing on it now, it's going to be that or I'll bite the bullet and start stripping ubuntu from the things I don't like. |
| 20:56.27 | angel-tsankov | is there any gui front end to the firewall |
| 20:56.39 | angel-tsankov | some configuration app? |
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| 20:56.57 | jhutchins | angel-tsankov: Dozens. |
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| 20:57.18 | jhutchins | angel-tsankov: Since iptbles is text based, there are even more non-GUI tools (who needs a gui to edit a text file?). |
| 20:57.18 | dromer | hmmm, just tried upgrading from lenny to squeeze, but I'm having trouble with some packages: http://debian.pastebin.com/ng7m4kmc |
| 20:57.36 | jhutchins | pflanze: Anything in the logs? |
| 20:57.43 | angel-tsankov | i'm just asking how iptables are configured in debian |
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| 20:58.01 | pflanze | jhutchins: Xorg log has many mentions of keyboard things but nothing that would hint at a problem |
| 20:58.08 | angel-tsankov | whether this is done by editing text files or if there is a GUI |
| 20:58.14 | pflanze | it sees my keyboard, chooses some stuff. |
| 20:58.18 | jhutchins | angel-tsankov: Almost always through a script, either hand written or generated by some utility like fwbuilder or shorewall. |
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| 20:59.33 | jhutchins | angel-tsankov: There are also utilities like fail2ban that make dynamic changes in response to threats. |
| 20:59.43 | jhutchins | angel-tsankov: I prefer to use throttling myself. |
| 20:59.51 | angel-tsankov | jhutchins: after I make the script, I have to make sure it is executed ar start up; do I edit the initscripts by hand or what |
| 21:00.02 | pflanze | Fun thing is, ubuntu live cd doesn't use any xorg.conf. I just wonder what it does for the kbd. |
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| 21:00.41 | jhutchins | angel-tsankov: I believe the standard is to call it from rc.local |
| 21:00.58 | gunma | hi |
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| 21:02.08 | jhutchins | angel-tsankov: This is a doc on how to set a system up as a router, it includes firewalling: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ |
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| 21:02.38 | xulf | hey |
| 21:02.59 | nsadmin | you can also use ipmasq, either in lenny or by foreporting it to squeeze or sid |
| 21:03.34 | xulf | I have two subnets connected to my machine. I just want to use the OTHER one as the default to the internet. How can I do that? |
| 21:04.00 | jhutchins | xulf: Set it as your default gateway. |
| 21:04.02 | ksx4system | is it possible to check disk performance on OpenVZ boxes? they're running Debian of course. |
| 21:04.12 | xulf | I don't know how to do that |
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| 21:04.21 | angel-tsankov | jhutchins: the question is how to do this on Debian |
| 21:04.46 | mlaci | hi guys! do you know any debian based linux distribution for routers? i'd like to use a mini-itx box for a router. |
| 21:05.02 | ksx4system | xulf: nice. at least i wasn't ignored this time ;) |
| 21:05.04 | xulf | I have two default gateways right now |
| 21:05.08 | angel-tsankov | jhutchins: I'm afraid to touch the initscripts, since the package manager (or some other program) may discard my changes |
| 21:06.11 | Damian__ | xulf: maybe set the second one to 192.168.0.1 ? |
| 21:06.15 | xulf | ksx4system: have you looked into iotop? http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=iotop |
| 21:06.19 | ksx4system | mlaci: i know i can start a flame war but... isn't OpenBSD *much* better for DIY router purposes? |
| 21:06.32 | ksx4system | xulf: no. but I will, thnx |
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| 21:07.14 | xulf | I guess I can safely change one of the gateway's. I just dont want to be disconnected because its remote |
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| 21:07.41 | jhutchins | angel-tsankov: That's what rc.local is for. |
| 21:08.11 | gunma | say how you write debian dvd iso to usb stick? |
| 21:08.23 | jhutchins | !tell angel-tsankov about rc.local |
| 21:08.24 | jelly-hme | ksx4system: esp. since it has failover capabilities and shared connection tracking between the two nodes, or so I hear |
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| 21:08.31 | gunma | on windows unetbootin dies trying |
| 21:09.46 | jhutchins | xulf: I think you'll find it in man interfaces. |
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| 21:10.50 | jhutchins | mlaci: I run ddwrt, but it's based on linksys hardware. |
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| 21:11.20 | jhutchins | If you're running on an itx, you can use http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ on regular Debian. |
| 21:11.26 | jhutchins | mlaci: ^ |
| 21:11.46 | gunma | gtg bye |
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| 21:11.57 | xulf | I'm too concerned to restart eth0 or eth1 etc. I just want to change the gateway |
| 21:12.09 | xulf | using ip route |
| 21:12.22 | dromer | hmmm, upgrading udev seems to fail on this: mknod: `//tmp/udev.63thDN/ppp': Operation not permitted |
| 21:12.24 | mlaci | ksx4system, maybe, but i surely don't wanna mess with bsd |
| 21:12.29 | jhutchins | xulf: route add default gw eth0 |
| 21:12.46 | mlaci | jhutchins, i'm running openwrt on my asus router right now but looking for a more powerful alternative, like a mini-itx box |
| 21:13.02 | angel-tsankov | jhutchins: this wiki seems looks like what I need: http://wiki.debian.org/iptables |
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| 21:13.24 | jhutchins | mlaci: See the url above, or http://www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~dranch/LINUX/TrinityOS/cHTML/TrinityOS-c.html for more in-depth discussions. |
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| 21:14.17 | jhutchins | angel-tsankov: That looks like a good start as well. |
| 21:17.15 | xulf | I have two default gateways listed in "route" but it looks like it works fine now |
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| 21:17.56 | xulf | not sure when it decides to use one or the other gateway if you have two different gateways? |
| 21:18.36 | xulf | it appears now to be using the proper one i just added in either case |
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| 21:23.26 | dromer | can't find anything to resolve this udev upgrade |
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| 21:32.01 | dreamer | nobody? |
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| 21:35.09 | Gnea | Hi, does anyone happen to know if Luigi Gangitano hangs out around here or nearby? |
| 21:37.10 | angel-tsankov | how are the scripts in /etc/if-up.d/ run? |
| 21:37.16 | angel-tsankov | who runs them |
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| 21:37.57 | Gnea | angel-tsankov: iirc, root takes care of that process |
| 21:38.13 | angel-tsankov | how? |
| 21:40.15 | Gnea | well, most network setup operations are taken care of by root, unless that's changed in recent time |
| 21:40.24 | llutz | angel-tsankov: you mean /etc/network/if-up.d ? they're run by "ifupdown" |
| 21:41.05 | angel-tsankov | yes, i meant /etc/network/if*.d/* |
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| 21:42.20 | peterrooney | angel-tsankov: typically, they're called by startup scripts in /etc/rc-N.d/ |
| 21:43.38 | angel-tsankov | yes, I think I got it |
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| 21:44.14 | llutz | angel-tsankov: "man interfaces" |
| 21:44.32 | angel-tsankov | yes, this man page explains it |
| 21:44.34 | angel-tsankov | thanks |
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| 22:02.15 | dreamer | does anyone know if my udev/upgrade problem has to do with the fact I run my install inside an lxc? |
| 22:02.21 | ScottG | Is there testing for the security repository? |
| 22:02.27 | jordanm | !udev squeeze |
| 22:02.28 | dpkg | As of <udev> 150 in squeeze, Linux kernel 2.6.27 or later is required (i.e. upgrade kernel and udev at the same time). If udev installation fails and you already have a squeeze kernel installed, then reboot into the new kernel and "aptitude -f install ; aptitude safe-upgrade" to continue. See also <squeeze udev fix>, <squeeze kernel>, <kernel abi>, http://bugs.debian.org/571255 |
| 22:02.56 | ScottG | It looks like there is but it fails when I do an update |
| 22:03.01 | dreamer | jordanm: I'm running 2.6.31 atm |
| 22:03.15 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 22:03.17 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.35-trunk-686 (2.6.35-1~experimental.3); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-23); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-23); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-23~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-25lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
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| 22:03.37 | jordanm | dreamer: .31? is this *really* out of date testing? |
| 22:03.53 | dreamer | jordanm: no, the lxc is testing, the host is gentoo with 2.6.31-rc2-vanilla |
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| 22:04.43 | ScottG | squeeze/updates works but putting testing doens't |
| 22:04.49 | jordanm | dreamer: I would presume that the debian inside the container shouldn't even have udev |
| 22:04.59 | ScottG | And I'd rather have testing |
| 22:05.07 | jordanm | dreamer: I haven't use lxc, but in openvz /dev is bind mounted from the host |
| 22:05.10 | ScottG | especially since squeeze is frozen |
| 22:05.31 | dreamer | jordanm: hmmm, I have to ask my other sysadmin for this I think .. |
| 22:05.43 | jordanm | !tell ScottG about testing security |
| 22:05.47 | jordanm | !tell ScottG about bat |
| 22:05.59 | dreamer | so why is the lxc trying this: Populating the new /dev filesystem temporarily mounted on /tmp/udev.TwbqS2/... |
| 22:06.07 | ScottG | jordanm: Thanks ill check this out |
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| 22:06.28 | dreamer | and is there a way to circumvent this? |
| 22:07.00 | jordanm | dreamer: circumvent what? I haven't even seen the errors |
| 22:07.31 | dreamer | http://debian.pastebin.com/ng7m4kmc << sorry, this is what dpkg gets during the upgrade |
| 22:07.37 | jordanm | and just for curiousity, you are running gentoo in production? |
| 22:07.51 | dreamer | "production" it's a private server ;) |
| 22:08.12 | jordanm | dreamer: thats a container specific issue |
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| 22:09.02 | jordanm | I hate containers for problems like that. my first VPS was a gentoo container, couldn't even run the touch command because of incompatibilities with the RHEL kernel the host had |
| 22:09.06 | tom719co | hello i am back if anyone who helped me earlier is still here |
| 22:09.11 | tom719co | had some other things to take care of |
| 22:09.40 | ElDeablo | \o |
| 22:10.06 | dreamer | jordanm: I did read that lxc is getting in the mainline kernel though, so they must be ironing these kind of things out .. |
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| 22:10.32 | jordanm | dreamer: this was openvz, its not in mainline |
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| 22:10.41 | dreamer | ah ok, openvz != lxc |
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| 22:10.56 | jordanm | but they are both containers |
| 22:11.13 | dreamer | iirc it's completely different |
| 22:11.22 | jordanm | they share inherent problems |
| 22:11.31 | dreamer | ok |
| 22:11.52 | dreamer | anyway, lxc _is_ in mainline (or getting there) |
| 22:11.59 | dreamer | so must be something good about it right? ;) |
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| 22:12.19 | tom719co | i can not start Apache -- and I'm not getting any other error then failed! in red |
| 22:12.33 | tom719co | nothing in error.log |
| 22:12.39 | jordanm | tom719co: tail -20 /var/log/daemon.log |
| 22:14.14 | tom719co | saw nothing added to the daemon.log after trying a restart |
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| 22:15.54 | jordanm | dreamer: seems debian supports it by default, have you tried using it for the host? |
| 22:16.19 | tom719co | nothing is bound to 443 |
| 22:16.46 | tom719co | or 80 |
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| 22:16.46 | tom719co | apache2 processes not running |
| 22:16.46 | pflanze | Does anyone know how xorg on Debian testing works with regards to evdev / keyboard input? http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/InputHotplugGuide seems outdated |
| 22:16.57 | jordanm | !lxc |
| 22:16.57 | dpkg | [lxc] Linux Containers (LXC) is an open source virtualization system, which uses kernel-level isolation. The LXC userspace tools are not packaged for Lenny. http://wiki.debian.org/LXC http://lxc.sf.net/ See also <virtualization>. |
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| 22:17.04 | dreamer | jordanm: no, we wanted something minimal and compact for the host |
| 22:17.17 | jordanm | dreamer: like debian? |
| 22:17.26 | dreamer | :P |
| 22:17.31 | jordanm | :) |
| 22:17.37 | dreamer | no :P |
| 22:17.51 | dreamer | _bare_ minimum |
| 22:18.21 | dreamer | compared to our current host, debian would be total bloath (ok, at least it's not ubuntu ;) ) |
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| 22:18.30 | jordanm | you can strip packages out of a base install, specifically from the "Important" priority |
| 22:18.31 | dreamer | anyway, not much I can do about it atm |
| 22:18.47 | dreamer | I don't want to 'strip' I want to start with nothing and build it up, not the other way around :p |
| 22:18.59 | jordanm | dreamer: a base install is 250mb.. i remember my gentoo boxes used to eat disc space |
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| 22:19.41 | vandenoever | is on lenny and would like to filter network traffic on uid |
| 22:19.50 | tom719co | would an update possibly help? |
| 22:19.55 | vandenoever | work on fedora but gives an error on lenny |
| 22:19.56 | vandenoever | iptables -A OUTPUT -m owner --uid-owner 0 |
| 22:20.08 | vandenoever | iptables: No chain/target/match by that name |
| 22:20.19 | balleyne | is there anything that needs to be done to use git because apt-get install git-core? I'm getting a strange error message: fatal: cannot copy /usr/share/git-core/templates/hooks/commit-msg to my-git-dir/.git/hooks/commit-msg |
| 22:20.22 | dreamer | jordanm: I will consult with my sysadmin .. if I can reach him (been off the grid most of the time lately) |
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| 22:21.09 | vandenoever | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:21.13 | dreamer | jordanm: but, anyway, most packages I'm getting dependency problems with don't depend on udev being updated, how can I at least fix those? |
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| 22:22.15 | jordanm | vandenoever: #netfilter may be more helpful |
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| 22:23.11 | jordanm | dreamer: I don't know because the pastebin doesn't include the full output and the errors that would have occured |
| 22:23.34 | dreamer | ok, I can pastebin the entire thing if you want ;) |
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| 22:24.06 | dreamer | http://pastebin.com/7Jgvzp2x |
| 22:25.50 | MrRenegade | anyone know of a good howto on doing firewall rules while in SSH ? |
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| 22:27.39 | jordanm | dreamer: the only thing there not failing due to a dependency chain with udv is icecast2. its error should be in /var/log/daemon.log |
| 22:28.26 | jordanm | MrRenegade: there are some good tutorials and documentation on netfilter.org |
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| 22:28.47 | MrRenegade | cool thanks |
| 22:28.48 | dreamer | jordanm: don't have a /var/log/daemon.log |
| 22:29.07 | tom719co | ok updating apache (and dependants) didn't help |
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| 22:29.09 | jordanm | balleyne: can you paste the full output? |
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| 22:29.17 | jordanm | dreamer: do you have a syslog daemon? |
| 22:29.19 | dreamer | pastebin* |
| 22:29.33 | jordanm | actually, I don't think that uses syslog |
| 22:29.41 | dreamer | don't have it any way |
| 22:29.56 | vandenoever | MrRenegade: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo |
| 22:30.20 | jordanm | dreamer: pastebin: sh -x /etc/init.d/icecast2 start |
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| 22:30.41 | MrRenegade | ewww ubuntu :P hehe very brave posting that in Debian |
| 22:30.48 | balleyne | jordanw: I think it's actually this bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=595965 running those chmod commands fixed it for me |
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| 22:31.04 | MrRenegade | sadly enough looks like it will help :P Thanks |
| 22:31.07 | jordanm | sometimes they have decent and relevant documentation |
| 22:31.08 | vandenoever | MrRenegade: share the documentation love |
| 22:31.12 | tom719co | mrrenegade: hey ubuntu is helping linux big time right now... they just need to make a dock standard to keep up with the trend.. |
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| 22:32.16 | tom719co | can anyone help me with my apache issue? |
| 22:32.28 | xyan | !ask |
| 22:32.28 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 22:32.41 | tom719co | xyan: already did |
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| 22:32.44 | tom719co | posted tons of details |
| 22:32.47 | tom719co | throughout the day |
| 22:33.29 | jhutchins_lt | tom719co: Apache logs to /var/log/apache/* |
| 22:33.30 | tom719co | i cant restart apache.. it just says failed with no error |
| 22:33.39 | tom719co | the only thing i've done is update a CRT file,but i even tried putting it bakc |
| 22:33.55 | jhutchins_lt | tom719co: ssl certificate? |
| 22:34.00 | tom719co | since then people had me specify ServerName in the sites-available folder (in the files) |
| 22:34.04 | tom719co | yes ssl cert |
| 22:34.16 | tom719co | i even tried going back to the old CRT but i realized the key was not old so i doubt that helped |
| 22:34.19 | jhutchins_lt | tom719co: You'll need to find what it's complaining about in the logs. |
| 22:34.23 | tom719co | i know that |
| 22:34.29 | tom719co | but it isnt complaining of anything |
| 22:34.49 | tom719co | users had me try running apache2 directly and all it did was say it loaded some modules |
| 22:34.49 | jhutchins_lt | error.log? access.log? It should have something in the startup process. |
| 22:34.50 | tom719co | no error |
| 22:34.57 | tom719co | i know but it doesnt |
| 22:35.01 | xyan | tomkap: tried apache2ctrl -t? |
| 22:35.07 | xyan | tom719co` |
| 22:35.37 | jordanm | dreamer: don't have icecast2? |
| 22:35.39 | tom719co | apache2ctrl doesnt exist |
| 22:36.06 | jhutchins_lt | tom719co: Run it in the foreground with -t |
| 22:36.09 | dreamer | jordanm: http://pastebin.com/ZTWYUJT0 |
| 22:36.27 | jordanm | its ctl, not ctrl |
| 22:36.34 | MrRenegade | arg i feel like i'm back in cisco class doing subnetting |
| 22:36.57 | jordanm | MrRenegade: i use ipcalc |
| 22:37.29 | MrRenegade | hehe cheater :P |
| 22:37.32 | tom719co | ah yeah |
| 22:37.34 | tom719co | and we did this earlier too |
| 22:37.36 | tom719co | syntax OK |
| 22:37.41 | dreamer | MrRenegade: lol, I heard one to many people complaining about cisco courses :P |
| 22:38.03 | Sec_goat | Hello wonderful Debian people, can some one hold my hand with GNu Screen to get it working for me? |
| 22:38.12 | jhutchins_lt | tom719co: How about -X? |
| 22:38.22 | tom719co | apche2ctl or apache2? |
| 22:38.30 | jordanm | dreamer: /usr/bin/icecast2 -b -c /etc/icecast2/icecast.xml |
| 22:38.32 | jhutchins_lt | apache |
| 22:38.42 | tom719co | did this earlier |
| 22:38.56 | tom719co | gives a bad user name ${APACHE_RUN_SER) |
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| 22:38.59 | tom719co | U |
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| 22:39.07 | tom719co | had to do some . /env.... comand to map those |
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| 22:39.12 | tom719co | let me find it |
| 22:39.35 | dreamer | jordanm: Server startup failed. Exiting |
| 22:39.55 | dreamer | jordanm: but, icecast2 is already running now, so that might be it |
| 22:40.03 | tom719co | . /etc/apache2/envvars |
| 22:40.24 | tom719co | ok now a apache2 -X has no output, returns to command line |
| 22:40.29 | jordanm | dreamer: yes, kill it, then: dpkg --configure icecast2 |
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| 22:43.02 | dreamer | ok, and then? :) |
| 22:43.20 | dreamer | dpkg --configure -a again? |
| 22:43.21 | dpkg | dreamer: are you using Windows? |
| 22:43.25 | jordanm | dreamer: and then everything except for udev related issues are resolved |
| 22:43.29 | dreamer | dpkg: thank you |
| 22:43.29 | dpkg | de rien, dreamer |
| 22:44.00 | jordanm | which I will be of no help on, since its related to you container software, or host kernel |
| 22:44.12 | tom719co | i updated the system and am rebooting incase that will help |
| 22:44.15 | jordanm | s/you/your/ |
| 22:44.36 | dreamer | jordanm: all the other errors still play atm |
| 22:44.56 | jordanm | dreamer: oh, dpkg --configure icecast2 failed? |
| 22:45.01 | dreamer | no, that worked |
| 22:45.19 | dreamer | I mean all the dependency stuff |
| 22:45.30 | jordanm | dreamer: right, all those failures are because they depend on udev, or depends on something that depends on udev, and udev is broken |
| 22:45.34 | dreamer | ah, right |
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| 22:46.03 | dreamer | but you say the lxc shouldn't even have it's own udev, so this still puzzles me |
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| 22:48.18 | tom719co | no luck |
| 22:48.20 | jordanm | dreamer: that was only presumption, so I wouldn't rule out needing it |
| 22:48.49 | jordanm | dreamer: some lxc support would be more specific on that. are you using some kind of default template? |
| 22:49.15 | dreamer | not sure, I'm checking out #lxc ;) |
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| 22:49.32 | dreamer | make that #linuxcontainers |
| 22:50.01 | jordanm | dreamer: debian guides are using /usr/lib/lxc/templates/lxc-debian |
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| 22:50.41 | dreamer | iirc we compiled lxc ourselves |
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| 22:51.21 | jordanm | its gentoo, what else? |
| 22:51.31 | dreamer | nah, but not from a package ;) |
| 22:51.54 | jordanm | you are begging for a maintence nightmare |
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| 22:52.18 | jordanm | not just that specifically, but everything :) |
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| 22:54.06 | dreamer | hehe |
| 22:54.14 | dreamer | well, usually we don't need any maintenance tbh |
| 22:54.31 | dreamer | haven't touched the host in 2 years |
| 22:54.58 | dreamer | appart from some power failures here in my house and having to restart the whole thing (no UPS) |
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| 23:10.10 | pflanze | The keyboard doesn't work on Debian testing when the gdm login appears. |
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| 23:10.36 | pflanze | Pretty fatal, isn't it? |
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| 23:15.29 | jhutchins_lt | pflanze: Yep, back to stable. |
| 23:15.44 | pflanze | How? |
| 23:15.53 | jhutchins_lt | pflanze: File a bug report if there isn't one already. |
| 23:16.07 | jhutchins_lt | pflanze: Restore your backup. |
| 23:16.19 | pflanze | No, stable doesn't work as I said. |
| 23:16.43 | pflanze | I want to hear from people running Debian testing where the keyboard *does* work in gdm. |
| 23:17.02 | jhutchins_lt | pflanze: X doesn't work in testing for me, so... |
| 23:17.39 | sweetpi | I have a few boxes here running testing.. they all work fine |
| 23:17.44 | pflanze | .oO(hasn't squeeze been frozen??) |
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| 23:18.01 | jhutchins_lt | Yep. Lots o' bugs left. |
| 23:18.04 | pflanze | sweetpi: did you upgrade from stable? |
| 23:18.10 | pflanze | or fresh install? |
| 23:18.16 | sweetpi | pflanze: fresh |
| 23:18.41 | pflanze | ok; I did a fresh install a couple months ago and keyboard worked there |
| 23:18.57 | pflanze | it's either that it's only broken now, or an issue with upgrading. |
| 23:19.24 | cjbarnes18 | pflanze: I have new squeeze install on eeepc no keyboard problems here. |
| 23:19.35 | pflanze | fresh install? |
| 23:19.43 | cjbarnes18 | 2 days |
| 23:19.51 | pflanze | I mean, not an upgrade from stable? |
| 23:19.53 | cjbarnes18 | using testing image |
| 23:19.59 | sweetpi | pflanze: I just did a box about 3 days ago, no problems.. so not sure |
| 23:20.05 | pflanze | ok, so chances are that it's an upgrading issue |
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| 23:20.43 | jhutchins_lt | pflanze: How did you "upgrade" if lenny "didn't work"? |
| 23:21.02 | pflanze | jhutchins_lt: from within a chroot, while running off an ubuntu cd |
| 23:22.14 | jhutchins_lt | Sounds to me like it's a hardware issue. |
| 23:22.27 | pflanze | ehr, it works just fine in ubuntu |
| 23:22.29 | themill | misconfigured X |
| 23:22.42 | pflanze | themill: not xorg.conf, as ubuntu has none |
| 23:22.51 | pflanze | and I didn't have one either. |
| 23:23.11 | pflanze | and with a config, setting keyboard is ignored by the X server. |
| 23:23.35 | pflanze | so it's a misconfiguration somewhere else in the system (very probably not done by me) |
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| 23:29.14 | pflanze | Does anyone know how to enable the keyboard selection menue on the gdm screen? (Through editing the config files, as I can't log in to run the grafical configurator) |
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| 23:30.54 | jhutchins_lt | kdm uses it's own rc file to configure it, I wonder if gdm does? I wonder if another dm would work? |
| 23:31.10 | jhutchins_lt | Unfortunately Gnome likes to protect users from having to configure things. |
| 23:32.38 | pflanze | Hm, good point, going to try kdm. |
| 23:32.47 | sweetpi | pflanze: try xinit and see if your keyboard works there |
| 23:32.55 | pflanze | it works from startx |
| 23:33.06 | pflanze | after choosing a map from the gnome keyboard util |
| 23:33.23 | pflanze | Only for that session, of course.. |
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| 23:35.49 | HardDisk_WP | how do I add a file to an existing tar archive? |
| 23:37.11 | sweetpi | HardDisk_WP: --append or --update depending on what you want |
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| 23:40.46 | HardDisk_WP | sweetpi, how do I tell tar to create the archive if it doesnt exist? |
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| 23:42.22 | sweetpi | HardDisk_WP: -c is to create an archive, cant remember if it tests if it exists before overwriting it though |
| 23:42.31 | sweetpi | HardDisk_WP: man tar |
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| 23:47.00 | pflanze | Same problem with kdm (no keyb, no keymap menue) |
| 23:47.18 | pflanze | I guess I'm going to live with startx |
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| 23:49.36 | pflanze | Ehr, how does autoremove work?? I did apt-get install kdm, which installed 200+MB worth of kde libraries; |
| 23:49.43 | sphenxes | where can I download a chess program where I can play chess on (LAN)? xboard doesn't work under squeeze right now. is there any other software out there |
| 23:50.02 | pflanze | now I've done apt-get remove kdm; now I was hoping apt-get autoremove would remove the rest too, but it doesn't. Huh? |
| 23:50.49 | peterrooney | pflanze: check if deborphan is installed? |
| 23:50.56 | pflanze | ah, checking |
| 23:51.43 | pflanze | nope, isn't; installing; well, autoremove still doesn't work, hm, I guess because deborphan wasn't there to record the installation? |
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| 23:52.32 | pflanze | anyway, thanks. |
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| 23:58.26 | rug | I have an old Sarge box (that I just pulled out of the closet) that I want to upgrade to the current stable, what is the best way to do it? |
| 23:59.28 | dvs | rug: if there is nothing valuable on it, do it from scratch |
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| 23:59.37 | pflanze | peterrooney: hm I doubt that deborphan is the answer; |
| 23:59.59 | rug | dvs: no I can't I have the firewall dialed in perfect, I'd hate to nuke it |
