| 00:00.00 | pflanze | for one, why doesn't it work now, secondly, I don't have it installed on my other computers either, |
| 00:00.21 | pflanze | and thirdly, I remember using deborphan way back (like 10 years ago), never liked it much, |
| 00:00.36 | dvs | rug: then the best way is to upgrade to etch and then to lenny |
| 00:00.40 | pflanze | and then was pleasantly surprised about the apt autoremove functionality when it appeared in, Lenny, I think. |
| 00:00.58 | rug | dvs: thanks |
| 00:01.06 | pflanze | It must be something else; but hell I can't find docs about it (other than the 2 lines in the apt-get man page). |
| 00:01.37 | dvs | np |
| 00:02.18 | jhutchins_lt | HardDisk_WP: Actually, you need -cf to tell it to --create a --file. |
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| 00:03.13 | HardDisk_WP | yeah |
| 00:03.15 | HardDisk_WP | but got another problem |
| 00:03.23 | HardDisk_WP | apparently tar --remove-files -r -f articles.tar articles/foo.html makes articles.tar ONLY include foo.html |
| 00:03.28 | HardDisk_WP | and wipes the previous content |
| 00:03.56 | jhutchins_lt | HardDisk_WP: Interesting. Sometimes tar's behavior is not as expected. |
| 00:04.28 | HardDisk_WP | ^^ |
| 00:05.35 | HardDisk_WP | though what I did is exactly what i find on google |
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| 00:09.10 | CVirus | Fbi-bot-83: is spamming me on-join |
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| 00:10.03 | CVirus | !op |
| 00:10.17 | stew | CVirus: thanks i'm looking into it |
| 00:10.21 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah, I got one o fthose earlier. |
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| 00:11.22 | andares | hey, how does the system clock work with debian? |
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| 00:11.45 | andares | because currently my computer seems to think it's 12:11 when in fact it's 8:11. |
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| 00:12.13 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
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| 00:17.30 | flixil | Ok, my X freezes and don't answer magic sysrq keys. It happens with different kernels, and with radeon or vesa, memtest no problem. In Win32 the graphic card works correctly. What does it mean? |
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| 00:26.23 | tom719co | hey anyone who was following.. |
| 00:26.26 | tom719co | i figured out what it was |
| 00:26.42 | tom719co | in the vhost config it specificed a different place to put log files |
| 00:26.51 | tom719co | and in the logs i found: SSL Library Error: 185073780 error:0B080074:x509 certificate routines:X509_check_private_key:key values mismatch |
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| 00:27.16 | tom719co | but i'm pretty sure i'm using the right key |
| 00:27.42 | tom719co | is there a way to regen it or do i need to go through the whole process again? |
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| 00:29.13 | tom719co | oh crap i figured it out!! i sent the wrong CSR to network solutions!!!! hehhehee |
| 00:29.32 | tom719co | thanks to all who helped! |
| 00:29.45 | JodaZ | does anyone know of a repo for lenny that is keeping a bleeding edge ffmpeg, libfaac, x264 ? |
| 00:30.58 | flixil | maybe debian-multimedia? |
| 00:32.11 | JodaZ | i kinda doubt that thats bleeding edge and it also propably doesn't have libfaac, i think thats nongpl |
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| 00:35.45 | dgc_ | Hi there, I have windows 7 + debian 5.0 iso, can i make a bootable usb stick ? all the tutorials use zcat. |
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| 00:37.48 | sweetpi | JodaZ: libfaac0 1.26-0.2 in lenny, 1.28-0.3 for squeeze on dmm |
| 00:38.03 | dgc_ | Hi there, I have windows 7 + debian 5.0 iso, can i make a bootable usb stick ? all the tutorials use zcat. |
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| 00:42.23 | JodaZ | sweetpi, the repo is not anywhere near bleeding edge |
| 00:43.24 | sweetpi | JodaZ: I wasnt saying it was, just saying libfaac was in dmm |
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| 00:43.57 | qq- | !debian.exe |
| 00:43.57 | dpkg | http://www.goodbye-windows.com/debian/ will install Debian side-by-side with an existing win32/64 system (see site for ongoing compatibility). It can be non-destructive if you follow directions, or if you want, just replace that evil non-free OS all together. Supaplex is the webmaster (for site issues), see site for all FAQ. #goodbye-windows.com on irc.freenode.net. |
| 00:44.08 | qq- | dgc_, ^^ |
| 00:44.37 | flixil | I think that goodbyemicrosoft installs gNewSense now |
| 00:45.04 | dgc_ | what ? |
| 00:45.50 | flixil | http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
| 00:46.01 | flixil | They used to provide debian |
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| 00:47.14 | flixil | Ok, my X is freezed and don't answer magic sysrq keys. I happens with different kernels, and with radeon or vesa. In Win32 the graphic card works correctly. Memtest works. How can I track down the error? |
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| 00:48.02 | qq- | try(ed) radeonhd ? |
| 00:48.37 | flixil | Only tried radeon and vesa, I don't need hd. If vesa fails why should I try something more complicated? |
| 00:48.59 | flixil | My graphic card is radeon express 200M |
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| 00:49.36 | qq- | flixil, file a bug against |
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| 00:50.06 | flixil | qq-, the thing is that I don't know against what to fill it or what information provide. It seems to froze randomly |
| 00:50.18 | flixil | which package whould I fill it agains? |
| 00:50.20 | emerson_ | is somebody can help me I would appriciate that .. |
| 00:50.33 | emerson_ | http://pastebin.org/1159042 |
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| 00:50.46 | qq- | flixil, xorg ? |
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| 00:51.11 | jellow_ | I rather stumped on a bug in while installing openjdk-6-jre-headless |
| 00:51.19 | ThomasB2k | Hello, I've just built a Debian package and I'm getting "-bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'" when I try to dput it into my PPA |
| 00:51.29 | ThomasB2k | I'm using Ubuntu by the way |
| 00:51.39 | ThomasB2k | But the people in #ubuntu are of no help |
| 00:51.56 | qq- | ThomasB2k, ask #ubuntu |
| 00:52.09 | qq- | !they don't know |
| 00:52.09 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 00:52.43 | emerson_ | http://pastebin.org/1159042 |
| 00:52.44 | jellow_ | I rather stumped on a bug while installing openjdk-6-jre-headless , running debian 5.0.6 could anyone surrgest a work around? |
| 00:52.59 | JodaZ | versions of just about everything in lenny is too old to compile ffmpeg |
| 00:53.12 | ThomasB2k | But it's a Debian related question <_<. I am unable to find a source.changes file anyways after running dhmake and other associated commands |
| 00:53.39 | qq- | emerson_, that's in virtual machine ? |
| 00:54.28 | emerson_ | qq-: well this happens when I try to install using the shell.. |
| 00:54.32 | qq- | ThomasB2k, using ubuntu means ask #ubuntu |
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| 00:56.05 | ThomasB2k | Fine, I'm using Debian. I ran dh_make and debuild, etc, and I am unable to find a source.changes file. |
| 00:56.12 | qq- | emerson_, echo $PATH < says ? |
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| 00:56.55 | flixil | Ok, I'm gonna install reportbug and try to report this bug :) |
| 00:56.55 | qq- | "10 Sep 25 02:51<ThomasB2k> I'm using Ubuntu by the way" ... |
| 00:57.09 | emerson_ | qq-: the output that I had I put on the pastbin ... |
| 00:57.19 | qq- | here is ok |
| 00:57.28 | emerson_ | qq-: that's all I have.... |
| 00:58.28 | ThomasB2k | Why does it matter what distro I'm using. I have a question related to Debian packaging. I'm sure that belongs here. |
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| 01:00.15 | qq- | ThomasB2k, because you are offtopic here as ubu user |
| 01:01.13 | ThomasB2k | I am not "off topic" and neither is my question. |
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| 01:04.43 | jellow_ | while installing openjdk-6-jre-headless (apt-get output http://pastebin.com/BAbFDvuw , running debian 5.0.6) I googled seems to be a bug , Do you know how i can resolve this? |
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| 01:05.28 | qq- | emerson_, run my command , (in terminal) and see |
| 01:07.39 | emerson_ | qq-: so which one ? |
| 01:07.44 | qq- | jellow_, seems not have enough memory ? |
| 01:07.55 | qq- | emerson_, read abobe |
| 01:08.04 | qq- | above* |
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| 01:08.54 | emerson_ | qq-: I did but I didn't see it could you send for me again, please ? |
| 01:08.54 | qq- | jellow_, PermSize=128m , java needs 256 (-Xmx256m) |
| 01:09.04 | jellow_ | qq-: i have 480 free mem |
| 01:09.30 | jellow_ | qq-: how do i add that to apt-get ? |
| 01:09.59 | qq- | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:13.53 | qq- | jellow_, not sure , could be a bug too, see bts |
| 01:14.23 | jellow_ | sorry bts? |
| 01:14.25 | qq- | !bts |
| 01:14.25 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
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| 01:16.31 | riversky | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-agl0pOQfs&feature=related |
| 01:16.42 | riversky | Magic every-where up in this bitch |
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| 01:17.17 | karlpinc | !ops riversky seems to be spamming |
| 01:17.17 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: karlpinc complains about: riversky seems to be spamming |
| 01:18.17 | riversky | the definition of spam is when someone send around 10-20 msg at the same time |
| 01:18.24 | bluegene | how do i enable another machine to use my notebook (with umts connection) as gateway? |
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| 01:18.58 | karlpinc | riversky: The definition of spam is sending unsolicted off-topic messages. Want to explain how that's on-topic? |
| 01:18.59 | jellow_ | qq-: could i get away with installing squeeze or experimental package ? |
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| 01:19.20 | riversky | karlpinc, thats not following a socialist rule |
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| 01:20.50 | qq- | jellow_, its a server or a desktop machine ? |
| 01:20.56 | jellow_ | qq-: server |
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| 01:21.12 | jellow_ | but nothing vital |
| 01:21.55 | qq- | jellow_, try to install w/o headless .. |
| 01:22.01 | karlpinc | ,versions openjdk-6-jre-headless |
| 01:22.03 | judd | Package openjdk-6-jre-headless on i386 -- lenny: 6b11-9.1; lenny-security: 6b11-9.1+lenny2; squeeze: 6b18-1.8.1-1+b1; sid: 6b18-1.8.1-2; experimental: 6b20-1.9-1 |
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| 01:25.31 | h725 | hello, I have an old computer that has no cd/dvd drive, but runs an ancient version of redhat. how would I proceed to install debian on it? |
| 01:26.13 | streuner_ | !rube goldberg install |
| 01:26.13 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader. Wait, the card reader just fell on the floor and broke." |
| 01:26.19 | karlpinc | h725: Start by looking at the installation guide at debian.org. You could pxeboot or use a usb key. |
| 01:26.43 | TheGeek2048 | hi after installing a RAID card my /dev/sda becomes sdb and my RAID is now sda and now it won't boot. how can i set the boot drive back to sda again? |
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| 01:27.05 | jellow_ | qq-: what does the headless mean , w/o Xorg? |
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| 01:28.18 | karlpinc | h725: Come to think of it, you could possibly use the RH install as a starting point. Perhaps see the debian wiki? (I think there's a way to run an installer image from within linux....) |
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| 01:28.28 | karlpinc | h725: You have disk space? |
| 01:28.35 | bluegene | does anyone know how to forward dns requests to another machine? |
| 01:28.51 | gnutron | jellow_: headless = no keyboard no monitor. iirc |
| 01:28.55 | karlpinc | TheGeek2048: That's usually done in the bios. |
| 01:29.07 | TheGeek2048 | how though? |
| 01:29.22 | karlpinc | TheGeek2048: That depends on the bios. Poke it with a stick. |
| 01:29.30 | TheGeek2048 | haha |
| 01:29.48 | TheGeek2048 | well it boots the kernel but it try to find sda2 |
| 01:29.56 | karlpinc | bluegene: You run a dns server that forwards. (bind9 has the "forward" option, see the bind9 docs.) |
| 01:29.57 | h725 | karlpinc: i could arrange for diskspace |
| 01:29.58 | TheGeek2048 | which is now sdb2 |
| 01:30.31 | karlpinc | TheGeek2048: What bootloader? |
| 01:30.35 | TheGeek2048 | grub |
| 01:31.07 | bluegene | karlpinc: good idea, thanks |
| 01:31.54 | jaggz | hotmail is rejecting my outgoing mails from a mailman mailing list :( |
| 01:32.20 | karlpinc | TheGeek2048: At the grub menu edit the kernel line and add "root=/dev/sdb2" to tell the kernel where to get the root partition. That might get you far enough to be able to frob /etc/fstab (and or rebuild your initrd.) |
| 01:32.25 | h725 | karlpinc: is there something along the lines of goodbye-microsoft.com that I can use with wget from linux? |
| 01:32.29 | qq- | jellow_, http://paste.debian.net/91548/ |
| 01:32.41 | karlpinc | h725: Lemme look at the install guide. |
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| 01:32.54 | roe | I have an NFS server that I have been using for a while, now I can't mount the directory on a client: http://pastebin.com/bGVsFby9 |
| 01:33.01 | roe | I'm not sure what changed |
| 01:33.10 | TheGeek2048 | karlpinc: i know that but i want the boot drive to always have /dev/sda |
| 01:34.09 | karlpinc | h725: How about section 4.4.1 http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en ? |
| 01:34.33 | karlpinc | TheGeek2048: |
| 01:34.37 | karlpinc | TheGeek2048: What sort of raid? |
| 01:34.47 | TheGeek2048 | raid 5 |
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| 01:35.00 | TheGeek2048 | hardware |
| 01:35.54 | karlpinc | TheGeek2048: You may or may not be able to tell the bios what should be what disk. In the general case the pci bus ordering is indeterminate, which is why uuids or disklabels is the way to go. |
| 01:36.02 | h725 | karlpinc: I'll try that .. thank you |
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| 01:38.16 | karlpinc | bluegene: When installing bind9 debconf may have a choice to install a forwarding nameserver. If bind does not maybe another dns server does. (Although I tend to like bind because I know I can use it for everything.) |
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| 01:51.50 | grul | te quiero? anyone has? a smoele boele? please... sorry if this is spam, a smoele boele is hard to explain but is very important to me. |
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| 01:53.37 | qq- | wtf |
| 01:53.48 | courpse | :/ |
| 01:54.03 | courpse | Never needed to figure this out, how can i check when last update with apt was made? |
| 01:54.52 | qq- | update off ? |
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| 01:55.59 | courpse | Sorry? |
| 01:56.31 | courpse | Well, im trying to figure out when the Os was installed. |
| 01:56.41 | courpse | And i did a upgrade the same day it was installed. |
| 01:56.46 | courpse | So hoping that'll find me the info. |
| 01:57.07 | qq- | stable ? |
| 01:57.27 | courpse | Upgraded to squeeze. |
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| 01:57.48 | h725 | karlpinc: you were right... getting the kernel and initrd and setting up grub was a good idea... however, the debian installer did not have the firmware for the intel e100 card :-/ |
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| 01:58.54 | peterrooney | h725: i could have sworn e100 was a kernel module |
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| 01:59.46 | h725 | it is |
| 01:59.58 | gnutron | courpse: try sudo zcat /var/log/apt/term.log.1.gz |less |
| 01:59.59 | peterrooney | courpse: check /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 02:00.01 | h725 | however, it requires firmware, which is not included in the official debian installer |
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| 02:00.20 | h725 | I assume the firmware is not dfsg-free |
| 02:00.24 | peterrooney | that would be not an intel e100 card |
| 02:01.39 | courpse | Awesome, got something from that one gnutron. |
| 02:02.04 | qq- | courpse, ls -l /var/log/dpkg.log , see the date |
| 02:02.30 | peterrooney | i've used dozens of those, and never needed firmware. never had a problem either, save the first time I put three in one machine without noting their mac addresses and positions |
| 02:02.37 | h725 | peterrooney: Intel Corporation 82557/8/9 (Ethernet Pro 100) |
| 02:02.52 | courpse | qq-: Thats last modified date. |
| 02:02.58 | h725 | pciid 8086:1229 |
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| 02:03.21 | emerson_ | I still having the same problem.... |
| 02:03.25 | emerson_ | http://pastebin.org/1161732 |
| 02:03.30 | qq- | emerson_, still waiting 25 02:56<qq-> emerson_, echo $PATH < says ? |
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| 02:04.02 | qq- | courpse, squeeze was not released yet ... |
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| 02:04.17 | emerson_ | qq-: is there on the pastbin. |
| 02:04.30 | emerson_ | http://pastebin.org/1161732 |
| 02:04.49 | qq- | emerson_, is not |
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| 02:05.29 | emerson_ | qq-: did you go there ? |
| 02:05.40 | courpse | qq-: Sorry? |
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| 02:05.56 | emerson_ | qq-: did you see the pastbin? |
| 02:05.56 | courpse | Squeezed was not released yet? |
| 02:05.58 | qq- | emerson_, in hell , sry |
| 02:06.07 | qq- | courpse, yes |
| 02:06.22 | courpse | Yeah, you might of gone a bit off track. |
| 02:06.33 | magyarlatin | Hello everyone |
| 02:06.36 | courpse | I upgraded to testing/squeeze. |
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| 02:07.23 | roe | courpse, you're few months early |
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| 02:07.45 | qq- | emerson_, is so difficult to run 'echo $PATH ' and tell us what it says ? |
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| 02:09.17 | xiaclo | has anyone heard of getting 802.1x port auth working on linux? (not wireless, but switch port authentication) |
| 02:10.02 | TheGeek2048 | hi i have an other problem how come when i format my RAID it only create a 746GB partition? |
| 02:10.21 | TheGeek2048 | out of 3TB |
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| 02:13.42 | courpse | roe: Early? |
| 02:13.57 | courpse | Im sure many people are using testing already. |
| 02:14.11 | qq- | !testing |
| 02:14.11 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
| 02:14.17 | karlpinc | !tell xiaclo about ask |
| 02:14.35 | courpse | nods. |
| 02:14.37 | courpse | Aware of that. |
| 02:15.12 | karlpinc | xiaclo: If you have problems with lenny (although my random guess says you wouldn't) try a newer kernel from backports. |
| 02:16.02 | xiaclo | karlpinc I have spent about 2 hours searching already, there is no reference to it at all, just wondering if it even exists ... |
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| 02:17.58 | TheGeek2048 | hi i have an other problem how come when i format my RAID it only create a 746GB partition? |
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| 02:18.45 | qq- | fs type ? |
| 02:18.53 | TheGeek2048 | ext3 |
| 02:19.06 | TheGeek2048 | but i did fdisk first |
| 02:19.26 | TheGeek2048 | and fdisk only make that 700GB partition |
| 02:20.00 | karlpinc | xiaclo: The doc-linux-html package has a file /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/8021X-HOWTO/xsupplicant.html |
| 02:20.08 | karlpinc | xiaclo: The doc-linux-html package has a file /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/8021X-HOWTO/xsupplicant.html |
| 02:20.20 | TheGeek2048 | and cfdisk says Warning!! Unsupported GPT (GUID Partition Table) detected. Use GNU Parted. |
| 02:20.33 | karlpinc | xiaclo: The doc-linux-html package has a file: /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/8021X-HOWTO/xsupplicant.html |
| 02:20.39 | qq- | !GPT |
| 02:20.41 | karlpinc | oops |
| 02:21.16 | qq- | karlpinc, nice record |
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| 02:21.56 | karlpinc | qq-: Irc cluelessness. |
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| 02:24.00 | karlpinc | xiaclo: However, wikipedia leads me to believe that wpa_supplicant will work find on a wired network and is the right choice. |
| 02:24.05 | tuv | crap.. my .xsession-errors is 47GB |
| 02:24.08 | karlpinc | s/find/fine/ |
| 02:24.19 | xiaclo | karlpinc thank you, i kind of assumed that xsupplicant was specific to wireless, that's my fault |
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| 02:24.45 | xiaclo | karlpinc yeah, im sure xsupplicant can be made to play nice over a wired interface, wpa_supplicant is specific to wireless though |
| 02:25.05 | karlpinc | xiaclo: wpa_supplicant and xsupplicant are different. Are you sure about wpa_supplicant? |
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| 02:25.49 | xiaclo | karlpinc yep, wpa_supplicant is for wpa, which is part of 802.11, and can't be used on wired ethernet networks |
| 02:26.03 | TheGeek2048 | qq-: so what should i do? |
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| 02:26.15 | stew | TheGeek2048: this is software raid? |
| 02:26.25 | TheGeek2048 | no hardware |
| 02:27.17 | qq- | TheGeek2048, what say BIOS about disk size ? |
| 02:27.32 | stew | TheGeek2048: can you show us the output of "fdisk -l" and "dmesg | grep sda" (or sdb sdc whatever) |
| 02:27.42 | stew | (in a pastebin, please |
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| 02:29.36 | hachi | hi all, is there a way to get debian initramfs to start all md devices via kernel command line? |
| 02:29.52 | sedulous | IA32 compatibility library question. Why are there no symlinks libfoo.so -> libfoo.so.N anymore? |
| 02:30.02 | sedulous | Is that intentional or a mistake? |
| 02:30.03 | hachi | the root FS has moved from one array to another |
| 02:30.46 | TheGeek2048 | stew: http://pastebin.com/BkUmr20K |
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| 02:31.14 | xiaclo | karlpinc guess im wrong again ... wpa_supplicant can be used ... I guess wpa_supplicant was designed on top of xsupplicant, and eventually replaced it ... just kind of confusing since it implies it can only be used for wpa ... thanks again for all the help |
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| 02:32.05 | emerson_ | qq-: man I don't understand really |
| 02:32.59 | qq- | emerson_, run my command , (in terminal) |
| 02:33.28 | qq- | 'echo $PATH ' |
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| 02:33.43 | stew | TheGeek2048: do you intend to be using gpt? |
| 02:34.06 | TheGeek2048 | nope it had UFS before |
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| 02:34.43 | stew | TheGeek2048: and there is no data you wish to save on this device? for sure? |
| 02:34.56 | TheGeek2048 | yes |
| 02:35.40 | stew | TheGeek2048: then you might just blank the first sector so the gpt table doesn't confuse fdisk, and use fdisk to create the partition (assuming you want a single partition) |
| 02:36.15 | TheGeek2048 | so i use dd command? |
| 02:36.31 | stew | TheGeek2048: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda count=1 |
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| 02:37.44 | TheGeek2048 | hm fdisk says WARNING: GPT (GUID Partition Table) detected on '/dev/sda'! The util fdisk doesn't support GPT. Use GNU Parted. |
| 02:38.19 | stew | TheGeek2048: even after blanking the first sector? |
| 02:38.24 | TheGeek2048 | yes |
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| 02:45.52 | Skipp_Debian | hello |
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| 02:59.28 | kurt_h | is there a command i can run on a block device to try and detect a filesystem? |
| 02:59.57 | stew | kurt_h: file -s /dev/whatever |
| 03:00.13 | stew | TheGeek2048: you might reboot or reload the driver to force it to read the partition table, i guess |
| 03:00.35 | TheGeek2048 | ok i will try |
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| 03:04.25 | ries | hey all, how can I tell the skeleton script to start under a different user? |
| 03:04.34 | ries | The skeleton in init.d that is... |
| 03:04.59 | kurt_h | thanks, stew |
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| 03:07.55 | jaggz | thisis weird.. I setup postfix and courier-imap.. virtualhosts for email. The mail.log shows my account connects and the maildb is fine and the password is successful, but thunderbird says the login failed. |
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| 03:10.20 | TheGeek2048 | stew: i rebooted and i still cannot make a 3TB partition |
| 03:10.33 | TheGeek2048 | but now it does not say about GPT |
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| 03:16.55 | KaffeeJunky123 | Anyone else got that virtualbox update? |
| 03:17.05 | KaffeeJunky123 | My virtualbox was broken by an update... |
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| 03:18.59 | tuv | notes to self: don't update virtualbox |
| 03:19.24 | KaffeeJunky123 | oracle fuxxored it |
| 03:19.44 | tuv | (you are already running the most recent version) |
| 03:19.57 | tuv | working here |
| 03:21.16 | Raptors23 | http://pastebin.com/wQ0TvFYt |
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| 03:26.28 | PF | hey fellas |
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| 03:37.41 | Without | hi |
| 03:37.48 | Without | could anyone take a look of my iostat? http://pastebin.com/SVdSE1Et |
| 03:38.00 | Without | issit my harddisk issue? |
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| 03:41.35 | Without | could anyone take a look of my iostat? http://pastebin.com/SVdSE1Et |
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| 03:52.32 | KaffeeJunky123 | tuv: my windows xp vm won't boot |
| 03:54.00 | qq- | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:55.20 | KaffeeJunky123 | very funny indeed |
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| 03:55.51 | roe | KaffeeJunky123, install debian |
| 03:55.55 | roe | that should fix your problem |
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| 04:04.31 | KaffeeJunky123 | roe: the problem is, I need this xp vm :/ |
| 04:04.52 | KaffeeJunky123 | is there any way to revert a recent update? |
| 04:05.27 | roe | what vm technology? |
| 04:05.39 | qq- | his gone |
| 04:05.46 | roe | I see |
| 04:05.47 | roe | oh well |
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| 04:11.54 | KaffeeJunky123 | just found out that some vm setting was wrong <_< |
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| 04:12.27 | KaffeeJunky123 | EFI Firmware extension was enabled, for whatever reason |
| 04:12.59 | KaffeeJunky123 | so it's not really a problem with the VirtualBox update |
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| 04:13.20 | roe | thanks for... whatever |
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| 04:47.17 | BlueG | Is http://xkcd.com/797/ about an actual incident in Debian? |
| 04:47.45 | stew | BlueG: no |
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| 04:49.43 | stew | BlueG: afaict (and I guess I'm a target of this humor). its a fantastical account of "they are so strict about what gets in main that it makes me want to sneak something by you, something that makes LOCUSTS appear to the user" |
| 04:49.47 | stew | or something |
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| 04:50.51 | BlueG | ok |
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| 04:54.16 | sweetpi | I think ive seen this before, but cant remember what causes it. I found a file with a bunch of random stuff as the filename, like "??.@@???@8...". what is this? |
| 04:55.07 | stew | running reiserfs? |
| 04:55.31 | sweetpi | no this is on an ext3 |
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| 04:57.23 | sweetpi | the filesize is 0, the actual filename is "??.@@???@8?@????@@@@@?????????@?@?????@@L??L??" |
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| 04:59.39 | sweetpi | ... and I just found another in the same directory "?G??oR?}x5?qt??". both have the same timestamp |
| 04:59.44 | simonrvn | sweetpi: corruption (either s/w or h/w) and you could try rm'ing it with tab completion |
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| 05:01.48 | sweetpi | simonrvn: yeah i can delete it, just wondering what caused it, and if it used to be a file I want to keep |
| 05:02.10 | simonrvn | use a pager on it |
| 05:02.25 | simonrvn | use less -r or strings if it's binary |
| 05:03.03 | sweetpi | simonrvn: the filesize is 0 |
| 05:03.20 | simonrvn | doh, sorry |
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| 05:03.53 | sweetpi | maybe time to backup :) |
| 05:05.10 | stew | echo "i see you, pesty aliens" > $badfilename |
| 05:05.26 | stew | and wait |
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| 05:06.23 | sweetpi | hehe. maybe I should "mount /dev/foil_hat" first |
| 05:07.41 | neoice | anyone have a good tool to bind to say, 65k UDP ports and listen? |
| 05:08.05 | neoice | `nc` doesnt really reply in order to flag the port as "open" on nmap scans. |
| 05:09.32 | sweetpi | neoice: iptables? |
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| 05:30.05 | Without | could anyone take a look of my iostat? http://pastebin.com/SVdSE1Et |
| 05:31.06 | stew | Without: which partition is sda7? |
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| 05:31.58 | stew | (/me guesses /var, where all the mysql io is happening) |
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| 05:40.19 | Raptors | Is there a way to unmount the swap while debian is running? |
| 05:40.41 | stew | Raptors: with swapoff |
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| 05:42.41 | NOMADICUS | Hello, is possible to use dd to clone a hfx+ harddrive into an ext3 iso, or any kind of a mountable and readable iso? |
| 05:43.12 | Raptors | stew, thanks :) |
| 05:44.38 | stew | what is a ext3 iso? |
| 05:45.19 | stew | an iso typically refers to an iso9660 filesystem, which is completely different than a ext3 filesystem |
| 05:45.22 | Raptors | stew, is there way to make the swap smaller while debian is running? |
| 05:46.06 | stew | hmm |
| 05:46.12 | stew | Raptors: why would you want to? |
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| 05:46.30 | stew | Raptors: its going to involve, swapoff, mkswap, swapon, i suppose |
| 05:48.26 | glodime | Raptors, No Raptors! |
| 05:48.47 | Raptors | glodime, what? |
| 05:49.43 | glodime | Randall Munroe does not approve |
| 05:50.01 | Raptors | Is it going to make my computer asplode? |
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| 05:53.50 | the_file | hi |
| 05:54.06 | the_file | when is the kde 4.5 gonna be stable with debian?. |
| 05:54.12 | the_file | hope it will be soon |
| 05:55.30 | simonrvn | not in stable. never. squeeze, when it releases perhaps. |
| 05:55.46 | the_file | =/ |
| 05:55.55 | the_file | when will kde 4.5 be stable with debian?. |
| 05:56.16 | simonrvn | !wir |
| 05:56.16 | dpkg | i heard wir is When It's Ready. See also <rsn> and <siyh>. |
| 05:57.21 | Bushmills | a good way to approximate the point in time is by elimination |
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| 05:57.52 | Bushmills | you can eliminate 2 out of 3 already when starting with a list, containing past, present, future |
| 05:59.15 | the_file | I mean is it unstable meaning it will crash a lot?. |
| 06:00.46 | Raptors | kk I lowered the swap. |
| 06:02.04 | Raptors | I did swapoff then went into "disk utilities" and deleted the swap partition and created a new one that was smaller, updated fstab and did swapon. |
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| 06:10.49 | angel-tsankov | where can I find the output from the init scripts |
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| 06:12.17 | qq- | ps aux | grep init |
| 06:12.46 | Iraqi | Salam to all :) |
| 06:13.09 | qq- | s aleku |
| 06:13.12 | angel-tsankov | qq-: what's this |
| 06:13.26 | qq- | bonjour |
| 06:15.29 | qq- | angel-tsankov, здÑавей |
| 06:15.49 | Iraqi | Qq you a russian :p |
| 06:16.01 | qq- | Iraqi, no |
| 06:16.20 | Iraqi | That font russain used |
| 06:16.37 | angel-tsankov | qq-: здÑаÑÑи |
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| 06:16.58 | Iraqi | :| |
| 06:17.56 | qq- | angel-tsankov, sorry , they are some init's processes |
| 06:19.44 | qq- | angel-tsankov, but what exactly needs to find ? |
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| 06:21.03 | qq- | angel-tsankov, running your commands in terminal may get you some outputs |
| 06:27.21 | pallgone | hmm, isn't it possible to use & in an alias? it gives me a syntax error: eg. alia x="run this;do that in the bg &; continue here" |
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| 06:33.13 | linkslice | so, funny story I've got this PC downstairs that is sort of a community computer for my household, and it's been linux forever. I've been nagged for quite a while to put windows on it. So I finally caved last weekend, and it's already got viruses, strange glitches with wireless, and my kids are asking if I can put linux back on it because it worked better. :-) |
| 06:33.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | linkslice: you are a crap windows admin: p |
| 06:34.12 | linkslice | Kamping_Kaiser: do I get a merit badge for that? :-D |
| 06:34.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | hehe |
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| 06:38.15 | macrobat | pallgone: why not use a script :D |
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| 06:39.52 | digitalirony | hello |
| 06:40.01 | digitalirony | anyone alive |
| 06:40.12 | qq- | for ? |
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| 06:41.04 | digitalirony | I am having some problems, and I wanna preface with I know I can use sudo, and I do, but this is broken and I wanna fix it. I can't su to root from a regular user, but I can su from root to any user including to root again. |
| 06:41.30 | digitalirony | in auth.log I see this pam_authenticate: Authentication failure |
| 06:41.32 | pallgone | macrobat: convenience :) |
| 06:41.39 | digitalirony | FAILED su for root by digitalirony |
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| 06:43.21 | Acido- | is away, unf [l/][p/] |
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| 06:44.53 | macrobat | pallgone: function apa() {galculator&; gcolor2& ; dmesg ; } |
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| 06:49.18 | Without | Hi, how to reduce DISK I/O ? |
| 06:49.50 | stew | Without: do you know what is causing it? |
| 06:49.53 | pallgone | Without: can you be more specific? |
| 06:50.37 | macrobat | maybe mount noatime |
| 06:50.54 | stew | Without: did you see my earlier question? |
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| 06:51.35 | macrobat | Without: maybe use ramdisks |
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| 06:52.24 | triplc | hi all |
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| 06:53.28 | triplc | do i need to install 'acpid' for a text-based server? this is squid server and has nothing to do with 'sleep' 'standny' 'hybernate'..? |
| 06:53.29 | Without | stew: it's due to lighttpd serving inbound/outbound and DISK reading/writing |
| 06:54.24 | stew | Without: where is sda7 mounted? |
| 06:54.35 | Without | ~/home |
| 06:54.35 | apt | rumour has it, /home is like the "My Documents" folder in M$-windoze |
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| 06:55.36 | Without | stew: my latest iostat http://pastebin.com/tUywJQft |
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| 06:55.45 | stew | Without: and lighttpd is serving files out of ~/home? |
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| 06:55.59 | Without | Without: yep it's serving files out from ~/home |
| 06:56.07 | Without | which is sda7 |
| 06:56.13 | Without | which is sda7 and sdb1 |
| 06:56.19 | Without | you can ssee from the pastebin |
| 06:56.59 | stew | does pastebin.com teergrube intentionaly? |
| 06:57.09 | Without | ? |
| 06:57.41 | stew | pastebin.com takes a long time to load, i'm wondering if it is intentional |
| 06:57.54 | Without | nope |
| 06:57.57 | Without | not longtime |
| 06:58.26 | Without | http://pastebin.org/1172386 |
| 06:58.26 | Without | try this |
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| 07:03.20 | Without | stew how was it? |
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| 07:06.11 | batshwa | hi, everybody. i am planning to install debian over ubuntu on a dual-boot machine (having now xp and ubuntu). is there any danger of messing up the bootloader after installing lenny via netboot? |
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| 07:09.16 | macrobat | ,versions grub |
| 07:09.17 | judd | Package grub on i386 -- etch: 0.97-27etch1; lenny: 0.97-47lenny2; sid: 0.97-63; squeeze: 0.97-63 |
| 07:10.31 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
| 07:10.46 | ShapeShifter499 | is there a non-ose repo for virtualbox? |
| 07:11.11 | batshwa | will it simply overwrite the old one or do i have to take the necessary steps myself? |
| 07:11.31 | ShapeShifter499 | the main virtualbox website is down due to a hardware failure so I can't get any info |
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| 07:13.01 | digitalirony | anyone have an answer to my question :/ |
| 07:13.04 | digitalirony | or problem rather |
| 07:19.23 | macrobat | su to another user, then su to root? :D |
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| 07:22.49 | pallgone | is gdm3 default with squeeze? |
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| 07:24.18 | macrobat | ,versions gdm |
| 07:24.19 | judd | Package gdm on i386 -- etch: 2.16.4-1; lenny: 2.20.7-4lenny1; sid: 2.20.11-2; squeeze: 2.20.11-2 |
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| 07:24.41 | macrobat | ,versions gdm3 |
| 07:24.42 | judd | Package gdm3 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.30.2-4; sid: 2.30.5-2 |
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| 07:28.00 | angel-tsankov | how can i change my display manager from kdm go gdm |
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| 07:28.06 | angel-tsankov | *to |
| 07:28.22 | f8l | angel-tsankov: `apt-get install gdm`. |
| 07:28.50 | f8l | angel-tsankov: If this is already done `dpkg-reconfigure gdm` may help. |
| 07:29.12 | angel-tsankov | yes, it is installed by default |
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| 07:31.14 | f8l | angel-tsankov: Alternatively: `apt-get remove kdm`. |
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| 07:33.45 | EmleyMoor | is encountering a difficulty going lenny->squeeze - some packages are fighting with php-pear over /usr/share/php/doc - how do I resolve it? |
| 07:33.47 | angel-tsankov | hmm, this did not help |
| 07:34.22 | angel-tsankov | I'm trying to figure out why I'm taken to the consolo login when I log out from a kde session |
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| 07:36.33 | f8l | angel-tsankov: So are you sure that GDM is installed? |
| 07:36.54 | angel-tsankov | both gdm and kdm |
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| 07:37.14 | f8l | EmleyMoor: I usually resolve such problems with dpkg. |
| 07:38.58 | jelly-home | EmleyMoor: can you pastebin the actual output (as complete as possible)? |
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| 07:39.34 | f8l | angel-tsankov: Make sure all dependencies are there. Aptitude should display a red bar near the bottom if there are problems with dependencies. |
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| 07:40.33 | EmleyMoor | jelly-home: I'll try |
| 07:40.58 | f8l | EmleyMoor: My guess would be: `dpkg -r php-pear && apt-get dist-upgrade && apt-get install php-pear`, but I'll wait for the paste. |
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| 07:42.49 | digitalirony | any one here can help me fix su? I know I should use sudo, and I do, but su is broken, and I don't like broken things |
| 07:43.02 | digitalirony | I can't su from user to root |
| 07:43.11 | digitalirony | but works when root to anyone else |
| 07:43.26 | digitalirony | I see in log Authentication Failed, but I know that I am using correct password |
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| 07:44.17 | EmleyMoor | http://paste.debian.net/91585/ |
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| 07:44.41 | EmleyMoor | Not at the dist-upgrade stage yet, as per release notes |
| 07:45.42 | AimHere | digitalirony, could it be that you've got some wheel group setup, and your user isn't in wheel? |
| 07:46.12 | digitalirony | AimHere: possibly, but all of the lines involving auth wheel in the /etc/pam.d/su file are commented out |
| 07:46.25 | digitalirony | could it possibly be looking somewhere else or something? |
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| 07:47.03 | sweetpi | digitalirony: are you giving the root password or the users? |
| 07:47.08 | digitalirony | the roots |
| 07:47.23 | sweetpi | ok, just had to check :) |
| 07:47.28 | digitalirony | heh |
| 07:47.40 | digitalirony | I can ssh to localhost as root, and pw works |
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| 07:48.29 | f8l | EmleyMoor: Looks like a complex problem. And my solution will not help as php-soap depends on php-pear. |
| 07:49.41 | AimHere | digitalirony, what about the include files in /etc/pam.d/su? Could a file that's @include'd be demanding a wheel group? |
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| 07:49.59 | angel-tsankov | f8l: it looks like kdm, in contrast to gdm, is not shown after a logout |
| 07:51.10 | digitalirony | AimHere: common-auth common-account common-session |
| 07:51.11 | f8l | EmleyMoor: Have you updated APT and dpkg? |
| 07:51.24 | AimHere | Those ones, yes |
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| 07:51.35 | f8l | angel-tsankov: I never used KDM, but seems strange to me. |
| 07:53.08 | angel-tsankov | f8l: why dont u use kdm |
| 07:53.14 | angel-tsankov | f8l: do u prefer gdm? |
| 07:53.27 | sweetpi | angel-tsankov: did you change /etc/X11/default-display-manager ? |
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| 07:53.43 | angel-tsankov | sweetpi: no, I didnt |
| 07:53.57 | angel-tsankov | sweetpi: but I can see what's inside |
| 07:54.11 | sweetpi | angel-tsankov: edit it as root and specify what you want |
| 07:54.31 | EmleyMoor | has decided to pull all packages needing any of that - for now |
| 07:55.18 | f8l | angel-tsankov: DM is not that important to me. Using KDM would require me to download all KDE libs. (continue in #debian-offtopic) |
| 07:55.20 | Without | can anyone help with iostat ? about high-load IO http://pastebin.org/1172386 |
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| 07:56.19 | f8l | sweetpi: Shouldn't reconfiguring GDM take care of that? |
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| 07:57.45 | sweetpi | f8l: no idea, i dont even use a display manager |
| 07:58.04 | f8l | ++sweetpi |
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| 07:59.29 | EmleyMoor | I also have my work laptoe |
| 07:59.33 | EmleyMoor | Eepk |
| 07:59.38 | EmleyMoor | It wouldn't be the first time I've had to pull horde to upgrade |
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| 08:06.59 | sweetpi | now I've caught myself dreaming... If I could run firefox and gimp in framebuffer. I wouldnt even need X. |
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| 08:09.07 | f8l | sweetpi: For firefox there's w3m, lynx, elinks... |
| 08:10.49 | sweetpi | f8l: yeah.. but im too spoiled to use w3m :) |
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| 08:29.00 | JasonWoof | how do I get openvpn to auto-start on boot? |
| 08:29.19 | JasonWoof | oh, I'm on wifi, which is connected by network manager |
| 08:30.12 | JasonWoof | I've configured /etc/openvpn/server.conf, which runs great if I do /etc/init.d/openvpn start as root |
| 08:30.45 | JasonWoof | I tried: update-rc.d openvpn defaults (as the policy manual says to do. I was refered to the policy manual by /etc/init.d/README) |
| 08:30.58 | JasonWoof | I also tried: update-rc.d openvpn enable 2 3 4 5 |
| 08:31.03 | JasonWoof | and that gave an error too |
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| 08:32.11 | Rene | Hi all |
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| 08:33.22 | Rene | hiall! |
| 08:33.38 | JasonWoof | http://paste.debian.net/91591/ |
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| 08:36.21 | Bushmills | JasonWoof, observe the "." |
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| 08:38.06 | Bushmills | though run level scripts are in place already, when installing on debian. edit /etc/default/openvpn |
| 08:39.23 | Bushmills | "all" means, all config files found in /etc/openvpn. those are the files, ending in ".conf" |
| 08:40.00 | JasonWoof | Bushmills: you mean the "." at the end of the start|stop line? |
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| 08:40.14 | Bushmills | at the end of line, behind run levels |
| 08:40.35 | Bushmills | or seperating "start" and "stop" run levels |
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| 08:41.11 | Bushmills | it gets a bit lost in the manpage, between the ... ... |
| 08:41.16 | JasonWoof | Bushmills: should I be doing start? the service is running now, I'm trying to configure it to auto-start |
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| 08:41.25 | JasonWoof | (on boot) |
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| 08:41.47 | Bushmills | most likely no need, as those run level links are there already |
| 08:41.58 | Bushmills | unless you don't use debian |
| 08:42.14 | MrRenegade | is away: " A Mindless worker is a Happy Worker, Shutup and do your Job" |
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| 08:42.17 | Bushmills | or installed openvpn from a different source than the debian package |
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| 08:43.15 | Bushmills | you're the colorforth jason woofenden? |
| 08:43.34 | JasonWoof | yay! the /etc/defaults/openvpn thing worked! |
| 08:43.42 | JasonWoof | so weird to me that it doesn't default to "all" |
| 08:43.53 | JasonWoof | Bushmills: sorta, yeah. herkforth |
| 08:44.11 | Bushmills | probably because a config needed to be provided first |
| 08:44.17 | JasonWoof | which is colored and forthy, but very different otherwise from chuck's colorforth |
| 08:44.24 | Bushmills | no sense in trying to start what can't start |
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| 08:44.34 | Bushmills | oh, i know them. actually, you know me too |
| 08:44.36 | JasonWoof | eg it has some user friendlyness, autocompilation, etc |
| 08:44.47 | Bushmills | just under a different nick :) |
| 08:45.43 | JasonWoof | futhin? |
| 08:45.51 | Bushmills | nope |
| 08:46.02 | Bushmills | i'll tell you PM |
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| 09:00.59 | deuterium | re guys |
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| 09:02.10 | deuterium | i just stumbled upon http://www.howtoforge.com/installing-powerdns-with-mysql-backend-and-poweradmin-on-debian-etch . is using powerdns and poweradmin as a web interface the best choice if i want to run a lean, easy-to-use dns server based on debian lenny? |
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| 09:03.20 | jpinx-eeepc | deuterium: that seems to say etch....? |
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| 09:09.20 | jophish | Hi all! |
| 09:09.43 | djura-san | good morning people o/ |
| 09:10.04 | jophish | does anyone here know what package the program eselect is in? |
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| 09:11.03 | deuterium | jpinx-eeepc: well, yes, this inofficial how-to is for etch, but i assume it works similarly on lenny. the question for me is whether a powerdns-poweradmin combo is good for a lean and easy-to-use dns server or whether there are better options (e.g. bind and some web admin interface)? |
| 09:12.34 | jpinx-eeepc | deuterium: that question I caannot answer well, but it would be worth your time to search aptitude for "dns" as there are several |
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| 09:13.41 | deuterium | jpinx-eeepc: ok. i also found a wikipedia entry to compare various dns server implementations: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_DNS_server_software |
| 09:13.50 | deuterium | jpinx-eeepc: thanks |
| 09:14.25 | jophish | or is there another way to change the glx vendor string other than using eselect |
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| 09:14.39 | jpinx-eeepc | that looks interesting for you, but personally I don't do dns or email anymore - it's easier to use one of the many services on the net |
| 09:14.40 | deuterium | will dig through this list, unfortunately, i'm not proficient in regard to dns terms |
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| 09:15.26 | Bushmills | deuterium: with "lean" i'd more associate maradns. powerdns RAM footprint is considerable |
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| 09:15.37 | deuterium | jpinx-eeepc: true, but then why even bother to run an own debian server? "just go with google engine and your done" ;) |
| 09:16.13 | Bushmills | powerdns was using more RAM than bind did, here |
| 09:16.26 | Bushmills | and bind uses about 10 times as much as maradns |
| 09:16.31 | jpinx-eeepc | I havve a vps, but I skip email and dns - too difficult/time consuming |
| 09:16.33 | deuterium | Bushmills: thanks for the hint, i'm just reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MaraDNS . wondering whether it's also easy to use? for me, a web interface would be handy. |
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| 09:17.22 | Bushmills | it is easy to setup. once setup, the "use" is identical to other name servers |
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| 09:17.57 | Bushmills | for a recursive name server, a simple three line config would already do |
| 09:18.22 | jpinx-eeepc | deuterium: the webinterface is the hard part |
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| 09:18.26 | Bushmills | for auth name server, you'll need to provide zone files, same as with others. |
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| 09:19.55 | Bushmills | with those (zone files), web interfaces don't replace the need to know what you need to do |
| 09:20.07 | jpinx-eeepc | deuterium: I used to run the whole shebang . nameservers and reverse addresses etc, but it really was not worth it |
| 09:20.35 | Bushmills | they may attempt to, but in this case, knowing beats GUI |
| 09:20.37 | deuterium | Bushmills: i'm not even sure whether i need an auth server or a recursive server. i just don't want to rely on the dns server my hoster provides and replace it with my own dns server |
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| 09:20.54 | Bushmills | deuterium: recursive server |
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| 09:21.00 | deuterium | jpinx-eeepc: web admin interfaces are difficult to find, true |
| 09:21.12 | Bushmills | deuterium: no need for a web interface ... |
| 09:21.29 | jpinx-eeepc | deuterium: most - like webmin - are riddled with security traps |
| 09:21.29 | deuterium | Bushmills: oh ok, if recursive, then maradns might be a problem? |
| 09:21.37 | Bushmills | no. |
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| 09:21.55 | Bushmills | in fact, i'd say it is superiour to bind and powerdns, for this purpose |
| 09:22.13 | deuterium | Bushmills: oh, i c |
| 09:22.30 | eshat | zsnes was finally build successful on amd64, will it get into squeeze ? |
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| 09:23.35 | deuterium | Bushmills: if maradns comes with a reasonably easy-to-understand config file format, then i don't necessarily need a web interface. |
| 09:24.25 | jpinx-eeepc | deuterium: honestly - dns is not that complicated - you will learn it quickly |
| 09:24.30 | Bushmills | it does, but even that sample config would be overkill for your purpose already. google for the maradns site, there is a god explanation how to set up your server easily as recursive server |
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| 09:24.45 | Bushmills | good |
| 09:24.55 | deuterium | Bushmills: ok, thanks! |
| 09:24.59 | jophish | is eselect a gentoo thing? |
| 09:25.01 | dutchfish | deuterium: http://mysql-bind.sourceforge.net/ |
| 09:25.09 | deuterium | jophish: yes |
| 09:25.17 | jophish | deuterium: ah ok |
| 09:25.59 | jophish | deuterium: I'm trying to get the nvidia binary driver working. At the moment, the glx vendor is stoll xorg, I understand that I need to change this to nvidia for things to work |
| 09:26.07 | jophish | What under debian can do this? |
| 09:26.09 | deuterium | dutchfish: thanks for the hint |
| 09:26.13 | dutchfish | yw |
| 09:27.19 | dutchfish | deuterium: if you really need a big setup there are other backends as well |
| 09:27.26 | jelly-home | deuterium: if you want to control the dns database for your own domain, you need an authoritative dns server. |
| 09:28.04 | pallgone | jelly-home: there are some of them you can use for free |
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| 09:28.32 | jelly-home | deuterium: recursors (and caches) are used by clients to look up dns. authoritative servers provide the data. |
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| 09:29.24 | jelly-home | pallgone: I'm commenting on the difference. |
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| 09:30.02 | pallgone | jelly-home: I'm adding some info to it :) |
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| 09:30.57 | jelly-home | pallgone: you're addressing the wrong user, then |
| 09:31.24 | jelly-home | commented because this seemed incorrect: <deuterium> Bushmills: i'm not even sure whether i need an auth server or a recursive server. i just don't want to rely on the dns server my hoster provides and replace it with my own dns server <Bushmills> deuterium: recursive server |
| 09:31.25 | deuterium | jelly-home: ok, thx |
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| 09:31.36 | pallgone | jelly-home: maybe |
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| 09:32.23 | Bushmills | actually, i read "provider" instead of "hoster" and have second thoughts about the "recursive" now |
| 09:32.40 | jelly-home | it can be interpreted either way |
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| 09:33.54 | deuterium | thinking about the difference between "hoster" and "provider" ;) |
| 09:34.00 | jelly-home | deuterium didn't specify whether he wanted a dns server to publish data on (instead of using the provider's), or a dns server to use for lookups (instead of using the provider's) |
| 09:34.26 | jelly-home | deuterium: a hoster is a provider of hosting service :-D |
| 09:34.39 | jelly-home | perhaps |
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| 09:35.19 | deuterium | jelly-home: i guess i need both one for providing data and for looking up domains. primarily for hosting my own domains though. |
| 09:35.20 | jophish | deuterium: All my problems are solved |
| 09:35.30 | jophish | just reinstalled the nvidia griver |
| 09:35.54 | deuterium | jophish: oh ok, that was quick :) |
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| 09:36.46 | jelly-home | deuterium: so you primarily want an authoritative server. And yes, you need a recursor to put in /etc/resolv.conf to make DNS lookups work on a machine. |
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| 09:37.49 | Bushmills | for just one or two domains, i'd probably still stick with maradns. for, say, 20 or 50 or 100 or more, i'd probably go for bind or powerdns. |
| 09:38.18 | Bushmills | either can works as both recursive and authoritative servers |
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| 09:38.40 | Bushmills | when you runs two servers, or more, and have the need to synchronize them automatically, maradns is not for you |
| 09:39.27 | jpinx-eeepc | deuterium: with your limited knowledge you have to decide to either learn dns properly, or use someone like zoneeddit |
| 09:39.40 | jelly-home | likes djbdns' distinct separation of those two functions |
| 09:40.28 | deuterium | Bushmills: well, i think i need to setup both a primary and secondary dns. perhaps even each running with its own ip address, to meet the requirements of most dns registrars |
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| 09:40.32 | Bushmills | powerdns also has a seperate recursor |
| 09:40.55 | Bushmills | deuterium: it is "master" and "slave" nowadays :) |
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| 09:41.02 | jelly-home | deuterium: yeah, but having them both run off the same machine doesn't make much sense |
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| 09:41.38 | deuterium | jpinx-eeepc: for some domains i actually use zoneedit at the moment. but i'd like to consolidate all on the same dns server(s) that i can fully operate myself |
| 09:41.41 | Bushmills | deuterium: when running two servers, as master and slave, you probably want tow different ip addresses, in different nets |
| 09:41.47 | Bushmills | subnets, that is |
| 09:41.51 | jelly-home | Bushmills: master? slave? I rsync data to two servers of equal standing |
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| 09:42.26 | robin_sz | sigh ... still suffering with this xen/4gb seg fixup bug :( |
| 09:42.32 | Bushmills | jelly-home: something like that one would need to do with maradns, as it doesn't provide those features by itself. while bind and powerdns do |
| 09:42.34 | jelly-home | master/slave distinction only makes sense if you use dns-protocol zone transfers |
| 09:42.36 | Bushmills | needed |
| 09:42.48 | robin_sz | seems its debian specific, from linc6-xen |
| 09:42.57 | deuterium | Bushmills: primary and secondary dns are deprecated names now? have i been living under a rock for the past 5 years or so? ;) |
| 09:43.00 | robin_sz | or even libc6-xen |
| 09:44.18 | robin_sz | stares at Bushmills who appears to have some strange ideas on DNS |
| 09:44.34 | Bushmills | deuterium: yes. not 100% where that comes from, my guess is that master and slave are not characteristics of the name server as such, but of the zone setup. one name server can be master for one zone, and slave for another. |
| 09:44.54 | jelly-home | deuterium: both naming conventions are rather old |
| 09:44.59 | Bushmills | i think "primary" and "secondary" relates to server, not zone, view point |
| 09:45.06 | deuterium | jelly-home: i agree that they should be in different subnets. i have only one though and i intend to run both as domUs on the same box. |
| 09:45.39 | robin_sz | well, that is rather silly, but still .. should be on seperate class C subnets |
| 09:45.45 | deuterium | Bushmills: ok, that's my understanding too. a primary could even be a slave, technically, afaik. |
| 09:45.55 | robin_sz | deuterium, you are correct |
| 09:46.28 | robin_sz | technically, all of the named servers can be slaves |
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| 09:46.35 | deuterium | robin_sz: what's this xen 4gb bug in debian you're talking about? |
| 09:46.44 | deuterium | runs xen3 too |
| 09:47.09 | robin_sz | deuterium, on Amazon EC2, theres a ~18month old bug running libc6-xen |
| 09:47.23 | robin_sz | only happens with debian |
| 09:47.30 | robin_sz | no known fix |
| 09:48.12 | robin_sz | i suspect it applies to any debian under Xen |
| 09:48.15 | deuterium | don't know amazon ec2, unfortunately. do they use debian to provide virtual ec2 servers? |
| 09:48.51 | robin_sz | you can run debian or many other distros as a guest os |
| 09:49.37 | deuterium | ok, so it's a debian-related bug then? |
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| 09:49.59 | robin_sz | seems so, rhel doenst suffer it, ubuntu does |
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| 09:50.33 | deuterium | strange |
| 09:50.33 | robin_sz | theres some stuff about it on lists.debian ... well, sorta |
| 09:50.48 | robin_sz | no answers, just usual pedantry |
| 09:52.13 | robin_sz | just keep an eye on /var/log/messages .. if you see the seg fixup error appearing under heavy load, ... |
| 09:52.29 | robin_sz | then consider switching distros |
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| 09:53.41 | BlackFate | robin_sz, is this a general debian - xen issue? |
| 09:53.53 | at0m | hi, i'm administrating my friend's pc over ssh. is there a way, and how, to send msg's to his KDE session? |
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| 09:54.44 | deuterium | i'm surprised one can actually run a xen dom0 in a virtual amazon ec2 environment |
| 09:54.45 | robin_sz | BlackFate, as far as I can tell from reading around the net, yes. we are getting it on an EC2 instance or 10 ... other have had it on in-house Xen instances |
| 09:54.54 | at0m | ...like a little pop-up telling him to restart his browser or so |
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| 09:55.28 | zfmf | how can i see if the hardware raid is successfully installed and working? |
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| 09:55.42 | deuterium | at0m: maybe ask in #kde? |
| 09:55.42 | robin_sz | deuterium, you cant .. dom0 is the level above .. you can run any domU there is an image for, and there ae many debian images |
| 09:55.59 | deuterium | robin_sz: oh i c |
| 09:56.17 | at0m | deuterium: oh, cheers |
| 09:56.17 | deuterium | robin_sz: did you build your domU yourself? |
| 09:56.22 | robin_sz | nope |
| 09:56.35 | deuterium | hm |
| 09:56.53 | EmleyMoor | Into the dist-upgrade now :) |
| 09:57.19 | robin_sz | we started with a base one, customised it, made our own private image to launch other domU's when needed |
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| 09:58.50 | robin_sz | might have to try rhel, ick. :( |
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| 10:00.00 | deuterium | robin_sz: tried an unmodified debian/ubuntu domU from stacklet.com? |
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| 10:00.08 | b_52light | hi |
| 10:00.22 | b_52light | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:00.55 | dutchfish | hi, now that squeeze is gone into freeze, where can i read about the curent status of the security updates for it? |
| 10:01.24 | deuterium | those from stacklet work fine for me. haven't tried them on ec2 though, but i find it strange that the bug only affects debian/ubuntu. |
| 10:01.50 | EmleyMoor | dutchfish: No change likely until it goes stable |
| 10:02.07 | robin_sz | deuterium, not sure how you would get one of those into ec2, and anyway, the one we started with was fairly base, from Alestic, stock lenny, with the ec2 tools |
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| 10:02.30 | robin_sz | its been seen on non-ec2 versions of Xen 2 |
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| 10:02.34 | dutchfish | EmleyMoor: sure? from the past when sarge, lenny where in freeze, security updates started to work after a while |
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| 10:03.29 | robin_sz | deuterium, don;t worry, if it bites you, you will know :) we ran fine for a while, thught I had it cured, but it reappeared afteer 10 hours or so |
| 10:03.38 | EmleyMoor | It's still before a while at present... nothing to say it won't come before release but nothing to say it will |
| 10:04.05 | dutchfish | EmleyMoor: ok, thank you |
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| 10:04.18 | deuterium | robin_sz: i didn't know ec2 requires a special image format.. thought it would offer fully transparent virtualization, sort of |
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| 10:05.12 | shelf | morning all. i'm having some trouble with fonts that i can't seem to replicate in other distros |
| 10:05.14 | deuterium | robin_sz: and you assigned 4 gb ram to it? maybe try it with 3 and see if the error still appears? |
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| 10:05.27 | simplechat | hey guys, is there any nice way to get gems to work under debian? |
| 10:05.36 | simplechat | i'm on lenny and its broken upon install |
| 10:06.19 | shelf | particularly, http://ompldr.org/l20dtnn1s-imperium . trying every method i can think of, i cannot get this font to work. |
| 10:06.52 | simplechat | basically sudo aptitude install ruby ruby-gem followed by gem update gives a stacktrace |
| 10:06.53 | simplechat | gem install fails |
| 10:07.01 | dutchfish | pallgone: try dig @[there dns server] -t A lil...linode.com |
| 10:07.08 | dutchfish | sorry for the xpost |
| 10:07.10 | simplechat | seriously guys? |
| 10:07.41 | robin_sz | deuterium, nothing to do with that, remeber its xen, we ave 2gb assinged to the domU .. anyway .. its screwed :( |
| 10:08.07 | robin_sz | i guess if no one can fix it after ~18 months, its not going to get fixed |
| 10:08.26 | jpinx-eeepc | !gems |
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| 10:08.52 | simplechat | !gems |
| 10:08.55 | deuterium | robin_sz: all i can say about xen and debian is that i use lenny as dom0 and lenny, ubuntu, fedora, gentoo as domUs and all run fine and stable. some of the domUs i run are based on stacklet.com images. |
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| 10:09.15 | simplechat | jpinx-eeepc, apparently it doesn't exist |
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| 10:10.03 | jelly-home | simplechat: are you running it as root or as user? Perhaps it'd not break horribly if you ran it as user, with a custom GEM_HOME |
| 10:10.13 | robin_sz | deuterium, shrug, maybe its not under load ? we dont really see it until the load starts to get heavy |
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| 10:10.54 | simplechat | jelly-home, tried both |
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| 10:10.57 | simplechat | neither works |
| 10:11.14 | deuterium | robin_sz: it's not anywhere near full load, true. sounds like a difficult race condition to debug. |
| 10:12.23 | jelly-home | ,versions rubygems |
| 10:12.24 | judd | Package rubygems on i386 -- etch: 0.9.0-5; etch-backports: 1.1.1-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.2.0-3; lenny-backports: 1.3.4-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.3.7-1; sid: 1.3.7-2 |
| 10:12.39 | deuterium | robin_sz: but actually, i'd assume either alestic or amazon should know about the problem. you're hardly the only one running lenny/ubuntu on an ec2 ;) |
| 10:12.44 | jelly-home | simplechat: dunno what to tell you, tried the backports.org one? |
| 10:13.14 | simplechat | no |
| 10:13.23 | simplechat | basically i just need to somehow install mongrels gem (where from?) |
| 10:13.31 | simplechat | this isn't meant to be a full server, just a random irc server |
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| 10:14.29 | jelly-home | ,versions mongrel |
| 10:14.32 | judd | Package mongrel on i386 -- etch-backports: 1.1.4-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.1.5-5; sid: 1.1.5-5; squeeze: 1.1.5-5 |
| 10:14.42 | jelly-home | simplechat: uh... is that it? |
| 10:14.48 | jelly-home | ,info mongrel |
| 10:14.50 | judd | Package mongrel (web, optional) in lenny/i386: A small fast HTTP library and server for Ruby. Version: 1.1.5-5; Size: 55.6k; Installed: 208k; Homepage: http://mongrel.rubyforge.org/ |
| 10:15.25 | simplechat | yeah, but apparnetly not the gem |
| 10:15.29 | simplechat | so it won't install m package |
| 10:16.15 | jelly-home | sorry, this exceeds my knowledge of ruby, and current state of ruby in debian |
| 10:16.34 | simplechat | yeah |
| 10:16.39 | simplechat | this all kind of sucks nastily :( |
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| 10:17.43 | deuterium | robin_sz: btw, maybe someone in ##xen has experience running a debian ami on ec2? |
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| 10:44.41 | Guest80596 | hi everywone |
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| 11:17.04 | jelly-home | _stefanos_: the safest thing to do is to have a small separate /boot partition, and manage everything else in lvm |
| 11:17.45 | _stefanos_ | this is what i am currently doing\ |
| 11:18.20 | jelly-home | alright, so what is the issue at hand? |
| 11:18.27 | _stefanos_ | i am finishing copying contents from old partition to new and i need to rebuild initramfs so i may remove the non-LVM HDD and test the new one |
| 11:18.52 | jelly-home | _stefanos_: update-initramfs |
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| 11:19.33 | _stefanos_ | it won't work based on http://www.debianhelp.org/node/9496 |
| 11:19.44 | jelly-home | have you tried it? |
| 11:20.01 | _stefanos_ | no |
| 11:20.15 | _stefanos_ | will it try to search the non-LVM hdd for initramfs? |
| 11:20.47 | jelly-home | it will search whatever /boot points to |
| 11:21.01 | _stefanos_ | both disks have /boot |
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| 11:21.15 | _stefanos_ | the one debian created manually and the one i have created with lvcreate |
| 11:21.31 | _stefanos_ | not lvcreate, sorry |
| 11:21.33 | jelly-home | _stefanos_: only one direcotry can be seen as "/boot" at any one time |
| 11:22.10 | _stefanos_ | should not i point to my system which /boot initramfs should check first? |
| 11:22.25 | jelly-home | _stefanos_: it WON'T check both |
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| 11:22.48 | jelly-home | they're not mounted as /boot both at the same time, it's impossible |
| 11:22.50 | _stefanos_ | can't i point it which one i want to check first? :/ |
| 11:23.27 | jelly-home | _stefanos_: uh. Do you know what chroot command does? |
| 11:23.32 | jpinx-eeepc | where do I find /usr/lib/libmp3lame.so.0 for audacity? apt-cache show nowt |
| 11:23.55 | _stefanos_ | not precisely |
| 11:24.26 | _stefanos_ | oh yeah now i remember from rescue disks |
| 11:24.51 | _stefanos_ | so should i use chroot to select the disk i would like to update initramfs? |
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| 11:27.06 | jelly-home | _stefanos_: the finalization of such a migration typically includes mounting the filesystems of your new system in a directory, let's call it /target. So you mount the new root in /target, the new /boot in /target/boot, etc. Then you use chroot to open a shell that uses /target as its new "/" |
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| 11:27.54 | _stefanos_ | true |
| 11:27.54 | jelly-home | _stefanos_: inside that chroot shell, you configure the new boot loader and do other preparations. This including any possible updates for initramfs if needed |
| 11:28.05 | _stefanos_ | perfect |
| 11:28.09 | _stefanos_ | thank you so much |
| 11:28.12 | jelly-home | _stefanos_: There is only one /boot in there. Nothing to choose from. |
| 11:28.15 | _stefanos_ | i will do that right now |
| 11:28.21 | _stefanos_ | yeah i know |
| 11:28.52 | jelly-home | you wouldn't have asked the questions above if you knew |
| 11:29.05 | jelly-home | It seemed an explanation was needed |
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| 11:29.32 | _stefanos_ | the last time i used chroot was two years ago and totally forgot about it |
| 11:29.43 | _stefanos_ | a sympathy would be greatly appreciated |
| 11:30.07 | _stefanos_ | also, i just moved permanately from windows to gnu / linux |
| 11:30.18 | jelly-home | there is no sympathy. there is only fixing the problems :-> |
| 11:30.39 | _stefanos_ | underneeth we are human beings |
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| 11:52.51 | angel-tsankov | anh ideas why d3lphin does not remember the view settings? |
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| 11:58.50 | abrotman | angel-tsankov: what package? |
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| 11:59.17 | angel-tsankov | abrotman: d3lphin |
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| 11:59.29 | abrotman | wtf is that? |
| 11:59.40 | abrotman | judd: versions d3lphin |
| 11:59.43 | judd | Package d3lphin on i386 -- lenny: 0.9.2-3 |
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| 12:17.40 | angel-tsankov | where can I change the open action from double click to single click |
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| 12:24.46 | jaggz | Anyone had success in setting up courier-imapd with vhosts? I am trying to do it with the textfile/authuserdb method but I can find very few instructions on it on the web. This one guy's page is really helpful but it ended up not working. |
| 12:24.50 | jaggz | He has me issue a command: userdb fred set uid=vmail gid=vmail home=/home/vhosts/example.com/fred mail=/home/vhosts/example.com/fred |
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| 12:44.37 | jaggz | I don't see how, with that command, fred is setup unique to example.com. What about fred@anotherdomain.com? |
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| 12:45.10 | jaggz | it seems like I'd need userdb fred@example.com ... |
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| 12:50.22 | r15 | hi, |
| 12:50.25 | r15 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:50.32 | r15 | iptables -L showing nothing? |
| 12:50.42 | r15 | why? |
| 12:53.02 | petemc | add -t nat |
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| 12:55.59 | r15 | ok |
| 12:56.26 | r15 | thanks petmc |
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| 12:56.41 | liran | each time I ran nmap scan I get this in the console |
| 12:56.49 | liran | Offending packet: ICMP 127.0.0.1 > 109.226.0.6 echo request (type=8/code=0) ttl= 42 id=37880 iplen=28 |
| 12:56.57 | liran | i'm running it from VPS server |
| 12:57.10 | liran | and also this |
| 12:57.10 | liran | sendto in send_ip_packet: sendto(5, packet, 28, 0, 109.226.0.7, 16) => Operation not permitted |
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| 12:59.23 | nikita | hello |
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| 12:59.50 | nikita | just have a try |
| 12:59.54 | liran | ?? |
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| 13:01.10 | nikita | hello |
| 13:01.27 | jhutchins_lt | liran: Running as root? |
| 13:01.44 | liran | yeap |
| 13:02.13 | liran | in this VPS server there is no eth0 |
| 13:02.22 | liran | it's a trunked interfaces |
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| 13:06.17 | liran | anyone ???? |
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| 13:46.19 | og01 | hey i've just installed a vm, when i go to install packages it askes for the disk image, should it not download packages from a mirror? |
| 13:46.45 | og01 | can i get it to forget about pulling packages from the disk inmage? |
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| 13:48.57 | og01 | ok deleted the cdrom source from the apt/source.list file - fixed problem |
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| 14:08.16 | tharkun | I am having some isues with the BCM4312 kernel module, where can i get assistance ? (Or at least i think that is the module giving trouble ) |
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| 14:10.06 | abrotman | tharkun: ask a better questoin |
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| 14:11.24 | gribouille | hi |
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| 14:11.50 | gribouille | is there a command that lists the files that have been modified in a package ? |
| 14:12.23 | abrotman | debsums perhaps |
| 14:12.29 | tharkun | To get a BCM4312 nic to work properly i need to isue twice the following command iwconfig eth1 essid whatever key xxxxxxx commit I think it has something to do with the kernel module that handles the nic. Any ideas on where the trouble might lie or how to debug it ? |
| 14:12.43 | tharkun | abrotman: how about my new questoin :D |
| 14:13.09 | abrotman | why not just put it in your interfaces file ? |
| 14:13.21 | abrotman | or use a connection manager? |
| 14:13.49 | abrotman | firmware ? probably not so easy to debug .. but which driver are you using for it |
| 14:13.54 | abrotman | !bcm4312 |
| 14:13.54 | dpkg | Broadcom BCM4312-based wireless LAN devices are supported by the <b43> driver. The BCM4312 low-power PHY (PCI-ID 14e4:4315) is supported as of Linux 2.6.32, install firmware-b43-lpphy-installer (contrib) in Squeeze. Lenny users: for Linux 2.6.32 packages, ask me about <bdo>; see also http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#fw-b43-lp to provide required firmware. For BCM4312 LP-PHY support in earlier kernels, ask me about <wl>. |
| 14:13.55 | tharkun | Because i constantly change networks and the conections manager i've tried can not handle it properly |
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| 14:14.15 | abrotman | thinks he has a 4312 and it works fine? |
| 14:14.25 | abrotman | digs out the netbook |
| 14:14.52 | jaggz | somehow I made a mess with my courier- mail packages.. I can't seem to reconfigure them or purge them or anything. I wanted to remove it all to do a fresh install of the packages. |
| 14:14.57 | tharkun | abrotman: it worked fine when on lenny, the troubles began when i upgraded to squeeze |
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| 14:16.02 | jaggz | did you install that firmware contrib package, tharkun? |
| 14:16.27 | jaggz | how do I clean up this courier-imap installation? |
| 14:16.30 | abrotman | jaggz: what's the error when you try to remove them ? |
| 14:16.59 | jaggz | I tried, for the first time, installing a web-based management system (dtc).. it modified God-knows how many packages config files :( |
| 14:17.32 | jaggz | Stopping Courier authentication services: authdaemond/usr/sbin/authdaemond: line 16: /etc/courier/authdaemonrc: No such file or directory |
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| 14:17.51 | abrotman | so just touch that file |
| 14:18.52 | tharkun | jaggz: the card works fine whenever it gets fired up , the thing is sometimes it can't start up at all. |
| 14:19.15 | jaggz | that worked.. then it hits another it wants to run in sbin .. |
| 14:19.37 | jaggz | tharkun, it? |
| 14:19.41 | abrotman | jaggz: you could just tell the script to exit so it doesn't keep trying to do stuf |
| 14:20.29 | tharkun | jaggz: run your usual backup script and do a diff on the previous config and the one your web based manager "edited" |
| 14:20.52 | jaggz | which script? I tried adding that sbin with an "exit 0" command.. then this moves onto another one.. sigh. |
| 14:21.38 | jaggz | tharkun, I'm just setting up a new system -- trying new packages. None of this is backed up |
| 14:21.59 | tharkun | jaggz: what mta are you using ? |
| 14:21.59 | abrotman | jaggz: the /var/lib/dpkg/info/whatever.prerm |
| 14:22.31 | jaggz | tharkun, I was trying to stick with postfix.. |
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| 14:22.54 | tharkun | jaggz: then try dovecot as an imap server it matches nicely with postfix |
| 14:23.12 | tharkun | also it is easier to configure :D |
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| 14:23.55 | jaggz | I"musing: aptitude purge courier-imap-ssl courier-imap courier-ssl courier-authdaemon courier-authlib courier-authlib-userdb courier-base courier-imap courier-imap-ssl courier-ssl is that okay? |
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| 14:24.28 | jaggz | I added exit 0 to the prerm and postrm files :) |
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| 14:24.33 | tharkun | abrotman: Could the pan0 device and its associated kernel module on ifconfig be the one causing the trouble ? |
| 14:24.53 | abrotman | the what? |
| 14:25.24 | jelly-home | tharkun: pan is a software feature on top of bluetooth. |
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| 14:26.45 | tharkun | jelly-home: same question do you think the bluetooth module be the one causing the trouble ? I remember that i did not had any working bluetooth on lenny. |
| 14:27.21 | jaggz | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:27.29 | jelly-home | tharkun: trouble with what? |
| 14:27.52 | jaggz | tharkun, I was concerned about courier .. then had problems getting the vhost stuff to work (just my own accounts anyway... ) |
| 14:28.15 | tharkun | 09:12 < tharkun> To get a BCM4312 nic to work properly i need to isue twice the following command iwconfig eth1 essid whatever key xxxxxxx commit I think it has something to do with the kernel module that handles the nic. Any ideas on where the trouble might lie or how to debug it ? |
| 14:28.17 | jaggz | then tried DTC to see if it could help manage it.. that installed a billion things. |
| 14:28.40 | abrotman | jaggz: man dpkg .. see the --force-removereinst or whatever it is |
| 14:28.59 | jaggz | tharkun, oh yeah, what were you saying about "it" not "firing up"? |
| 14:30.31 | jelly-home | tharkun: I don't think a driver using a completely different piece of hardware might cause issues with that |
| 14:31.15 | jaggz | abrotman, beautiful! --force-remove-reinstreq |
| 14:31.33 | tharkun | jelly-home: any ideas on how to debug this isue. It is not critical and i can live with it but i would like to iron it out |
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| 14:31.41 | SuperMiguel | how do you get a public key from its finger print? |
| 14:31.57 | jelly-home | tharkun: nope, sorry |
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| 14:32.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | how do you get a person from his or her fingerprint |
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| 14:33.32 | jaggz | that's obvious |
| 14:33.36 | tharkun | jelly-home: thx, i guess that getting a new laptop might as well sove the isue :D |
| 14:34.04 | abrotman | tharkun: that's a bit drastic .. did you ever figure out which driver it was ? |
| 14:34.05 | SuperMiguel | CutMeOwnThroat, ? |
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| 14:39.13 | jaggz | SuperMiguel: please just answer the question |
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| 14:39.40 | drokmed | good mornin |
| 14:39.47 | tharkun | abrotman: the module i believe is making wifi's life dificult is the bluetooth one because the BCM2046B1 didn't have any kind of support previously and it seems it does now |
| 14:40.00 | abrotman | i'm looking at mine .. hold on |
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| 14:40.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | SuperMiguel, I meant you don't... you search for the person and compare the fingerprint |
| 14:40.34 | abrotman | tharkun: what is your PCIID for the device? |
| 14:41.07 | SuperMiguel | CutMeOwnThroat, my questions was a PGP fingerprint |
| 14:41.33 | tharkun | wifi 14e4:4315; Bluetooth 0a5c:4500 |
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| 14:42.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | same thing... |
| 14:42.26 | abrotman | tharkun: same exact one i have .. works fine |
| 14:42.27 | tharkun | ok it seems the pciid on the bluetooth is wrong, i got it using lsusb my mistake |
| 14:42.45 | jelly-home | it's an usbid, then |
| 14:42.53 | jaggz | I think I made a mistake installing DTC, or any host management system. My needs are very restricted to some custom configuration for my own few services/sites. |
| 14:42.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | if it's on a keyserver you can find it there |
| 14:43.26 | abrotman | tharkun: i have the same exact device .. mine works perfectly fine on squeeze |
| 14:43.42 | tharkun | abrotman: do you also have the usb bluetooth hw |
| 14:44.00 | abrotman | NFC .. it's a netbook |
| 14:44.08 | abrotman | but i doubt that would cause you a problem .. which driver are you using? |
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| 14:44.20 | jaggz | maybe I can strace -f the dtc install, watch every file it modifies... then dpkg -S for the packages affected by those files, wherever possible... then remove dtc and its dependencies.. |
| 14:44.32 | tharkun | abrotman: well i didn't configure any drivers for the bluetooth, since i have no use for it |
| 14:45.18 | abrotman | still don't know which driver .. |
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| 14:46.02 | tharkun | abrotman: how do i find out about it. First time ever i have bluetooth support on any device |
| 14:46.13 | abrotman | i meant which driver for the wifi .. don't care about the bluetooth |
| 14:46.18 | abrotman | lsmod is a good start |
| 14:46.31 | tharkun | broadcom-sta |
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| 14:46.49 | tharkun | I followed the wiki to build it |
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| 14:47.21 | jaggz | and how do I re-install a package, overwriting its config files with fresh-from-the-deb versions? I was using aptitude reinstall, but it looks like dpkg -i also might do it.. judging by what man dpkg says |
| 14:47.24 | abrotman | tharkun: i'm using the wl driver .. no issues .. |
| 14:47.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh he left |
| 14:47.28 | abrotman | !wl |
| 14:47.28 | dpkg | [wl] Broadcom's <non-free> wireless LAN driver (x86, x86-64 only). Supports BCM4312 LP-PHY (aka "BCM4310 USB"), BCM4313 and BCM4321/4322/43224/43225 (802.11n) chipsets. Does not support monitor mode. To install, see http://wiki.debian.org/wl . For support of all other Broadcom PCI(-E) chipsets, ask me about <b43>. The BCM4312 LP-PHY is supported by b43 as of Linux 2.6.32, ask me about <bcm4312>. See also <brcm80211>. |
| 14:47.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | I was trying to say something a bit more concrete ... oh well |
| 14:47.46 | abrotman | i think ... |
| 14:47.48 | jaggz | I'm getting tired again. I'm so tired of being tired when there's so much to do. |
| 14:48.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | jaggz, I heard sleep helps |
| 14:48.14 | abrotman | tharkun: yes .. i am |
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| 14:48.22 | drokmed | jaggz: i know that feeling |
| 14:48.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | can't really say that's true from my own experiences |
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| 14:48.51 | tharkun | abrotman: ok switching to wl driver |
| 14:48.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell jaggz -about confmiss |
| 14:49.20 | abrotman | tharkun: i was using the sta awhile ago |
| 14:49.43 | tharkun | abrotman: and ?? |
| 14:49.47 | abrotman | i stopped :) |
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| 14:50.26 | abrotman | tharkun: though i'm confused .. the wl wiki page says i'm using sta |
| 14:50.35 | abrotman | i guess the module is stillnamed wl ? |
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| 14:50.50 | abrotman | tharkun: but are you using the ones from m-a, or built yourself ? |
| 14:51.03 | thewanderer1 | hi. cpufreq never scales up my frequency when the system load reaches the top... |
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| 14:52.05 | Flash_ | although system load is high, is that iowait or cpu? |
| 14:52.10 | tharkun | abrotman: excerpt form .bash_history of root m-a a-i broadcom-sta; update-initramfs -u -k $(uname -r); modprobe -r b44 b43 b43legacy ssb; modprobe wl |
| 14:52.25 | Flash_ | thewanderer1, if it's iowait, ramping up the cpu won't help |
| 14:52.27 | thewanderer1 | I'm running ondemand with 1.2GHz current and 2.66GHz max frequency. my test case is "cat /dev/zero | gzip | cat >/dev/null" run a few times in parallel shells. the processor always stays at 1.2GHz although the system load is 100% on all cores |
| 14:52.32 | thewanderer1 | it's not iowait |
| 14:52.36 | abrotman | tharkun: i suppose it could be something with the physical box |
| 14:52.39 | thewanderer1 | (I think) |
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| 14:52.53 | abrotman | tharkun: maybe look for a bios/firmware updatE? |
| 14:53.05 | Flash_ | thewanderer1, run htop or similar if there's any doubt. if it really is cpuwait, dunno |
| 14:53.23 | thewanderer1 | an example line... |
| 14:53.32 | thewanderer1 | Cpu3 : 97.4%us, 2.6%sy, 0.0%ni, 0.0%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st (this is top) |
| 14:54.02 | tharkun | abrotman: The same steps where taken when this box runned lenny and it worked flawlessly. The only new stuff is the bluetooth driver. Only think i am sure, i will never buy any dell hw ever again |
| 14:54.56 | abrotman | tharkun: that'd be my recommendation :) |
| 14:54.59 | abrotman | hides from petemc |
| 14:55.13 | thewanderer1 | htop shows all 4 cores used to the max |
| 14:55.27 | abrotman | tharkun: you can try to remove the bt drivers |
| 14:55.36 | thewanderer1 | I'm still getting 1.2GHz only |
| 14:55.45 | jaggz | there aren't enough hours in the day, seriously. |
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| 14:55.56 | jaggz | asks of Allah to make the days longer.. at a very slow rate. |
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| 14:56.10 | tharkun | abrotman: thx I'll look for them and remove any unnecesary drives. Anyways i am stuck with this piece of ... |
| 14:56.10 | Flash_ | thewanderer1, htop can be set to show different colours depending on type of cpu use. in setup iirc |
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| 14:56.31 | thewanderer1 | Flash_: alright, it's confirmed user cpu usage anyway |
| 14:56.39 | thewanderer1 | however, if I echo "performance" to scaling_set_speed, and then revert to "ondemand" while the processes are running, it stays at 2.66GHz |
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| 14:57.29 | thewanderer1 | when I terminate the processes, I can see the cores drop to 1.2GHz |
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| 14:57.43 | pl0x | what package is gmake in ? |
| 14:57.52 | abrotman | !tell pl0x about apt-file |
| 14:58.35 | jaggz | is it just me or is this confusing like so many other things in the docs? confmiss: Always install a missing configuration file. This is dangerous, since it means not preserving a change (removing) made to the file. |
| 14:59.30 | jaggz | if it's NOT missing, but modified and sitting there.. well.. then obviously that's when the change issue comes into play.. but then what's with calling it "Always install a MISSING ..." ?? |
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| 15:00.50 | pl0x | apt-file doesnt tell u what package gmake is in it lists gmake in the files u have already kthx |
| 15:01.17 | pl0x | Can't get http://security.debian.org/debian-security/dists/lenny/updates/Contents-i386.gz |
| 15:01.18 | abrotman | huh? |
| 15:01.20 | telmich | good evening |
| 15:01.38 | pl0x | apt-file search gmake didnt tell me what package i needed for gmake |
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| 15:01.57 | abrotman | pl0x: that's exactly what apt-file is for .. but it might not be in debian? or it's just 'make |
| 15:01.58 | abrotman | ' |
| 15:02.14 | telmich | I'm trying to install nfs-kernel-server, but the startup script hangs with "Starting NFS common utilities: statd" |
| 15:02.26 | pl0x | i need gmake and apt-file didnt tell me shit all |
| 15:02.37 | abrotman | well .. lovely language |
| 15:02.48 | telmich | although a ps aux reveals that it got successfully started, it hangs and afterwards the installation aborts. I'm on squeeze, has anybody else seen that? |
| 15:02.59 | thewanderer1 | hmmmm. I have lowered the up_threshold in ondemand governor and it's now scaling up O.o |
| 15:03.23 | pl0x | guess its back to google since this place lacks knowledge |
| 15:03.29 | thewanderer1 | apparently 95% was too much. now at 90%, when the system is at 100% it scales as it should... I don't quite get this, but it seems to work better |
| 15:03.44 | thewanderer1 | pl0x: man, this is NOT solaris |
| 15:04.11 | pl0x | im not blind... its debian |
| 15:04.14 | thewanderer1 | gmake is the name of make on non-GNU systems, like Solaris and several other Unices |
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| 15:04.42 | thewanderer1 | if you need gmake to exist (I hope you're not compiling anything meant to run on Solaris on Debian), then make a symlink... or gmake a symlink, heh :P |
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| 15:05.12 | thewanderer1 | of course you need make for that, or you're symlinking to the void |
| 15:05.22 | pl0x | dude why mention solaris? theres shit out there that requires gmake instead of make |
| 15:05.36 | pl0x | gmake is in buildessentials |
| 15:05.50 | thewanderer1 | but gmake is just the name of make |
| 15:06.12 | pl0x | then why did i get errors saying to use gmake... explain that |
| 15:06.13 | thewanderer1 | I mention solaris because it is an example of a system which calls GNU make "gmake" and Sun make "make" |
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| 15:06.46 | abrotman | pl0x: doing what? |
| 15:06.51 | thewanderer1 | hmm... strange configure script, I guess - or a missing symlink and bad software assumptions |
| 15:06.56 | pl0x | complining |
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| 15:07.03 | thewanderer1 | it has to be a very picky piece of software... what are you compiling? |
| 15:07.31 | pl0x | state of the art network secruity released by the government.... my office to be extact ;) |
| 15:07.57 | thewanderer1 | then does it work with gmake -> make symlink? |
| 15:08.18 | pl0x | No it doesnt... i cant tell you why because its classified :) |
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| 15:08.25 | adv | what should i do to see the current cpu temperature on my laptop? |
| 15:08.33 | thewanderer1 | adv: `sensors` |
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| 15:09.02 | adv | thewanderer1, which pkg? |
| 15:09.10 | thewanderer1 | pl0x: does it throw an error message saying you need to use gmake? huh. perhaps you could call "gmake" instead of "make" when trying to compile? |
| 15:09.33 | thewanderer1 | adv: lm-sensors. if I'm not mistaken, it comes by default in "laptop" task so might be already set up |
| 15:09.55 | pl0x | so basically your calling someone whos been coding linux for over 20 years a moron and just subsitue the make for gmake.... dude we arent stupid you need GMAKE |
| 15:10.24 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=320362 |
| 15:10.25 | adv | thewanderer1, and how can i display the info? |
| 15:10.30 | abrotman | !dbugs 320362 |
| 15:10.35 | dpkg | DONE:#320362:W[make] Please add symlink /usr/bin/gmake -> make (); Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:18:03 UTC [] |
| 15:11.48 | adv | how can i see in how many degrees of temperature the laptop turns off? |
| 15:11.49 | thewanderer1 | adv: call `sensors` in your terminal. there are also graphical interfaces, "conky" is nice for the desktop... |
| 15:12.14 | thewanderer1 | adv: this is a BIOS setting and I have no idea if it can be seen/manipulated by means of ACPI |
| 15:12.34 | pl0x | funny when half the shit u tell me isnt a command |
| 15:12.40 | pl0x | good bye this channel is fucking jokes |
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| 15:13.16 | thewanderer1 | there is admittedly some "alarm" value in lm-sensors, but it is set in the config file so it can not be the BIOS barrier temperature |
| 15:14.14 | adv | thewanderer1, sometimes it turns off from high temp, how can i know which temp is that |
| 15:14.16 | adv | ? |
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| 15:15.02 | thewanderer1 | adv: this should be set in your BIOS setup tool. if not, consult the hardware manual. I know of no other means to check that (oh well, experimentation is also a way but this is somewhat dangerous...) |
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| 15:16.56 | drokmed | apt-file ? |
| 15:17.54 | Nepherius | is there any gui for mounting/unmounting iso/cue/bin ? |
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| 15:19.15 | thewanderer1 | Nepherius: and you would need that why? (mount -o loop -t iso9660 /path/to/image.iso /mnt/point) on a second thought, ISO9660 is supported but I'm not really sure about this cue/bin stuff |
| 15:19.36 | thewanderer1 | I haven't seen any cue/bin support in kernel filesystems |
| 15:20.08 | Nepherius | damn got cue/bin |
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| 15:20.55 | thewanderer1 | these are some trashy formats, you should get some tools to convert them to proper ISO9660 |
| 15:21.07 | thewanderer1 | (search for programs in apt-cache...) |
| 15:23.11 | SineDeviance | hi all |
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| 15:23.38 | SineDeviance | uh... thewanderer1 told me about byobu. i am running a debian lenny server and want to use it, but it's not in the repos. however it does seem to be in the sid repos. |
| 15:23.49 | SineDeviance | is it a good bet that the deb from the sid repos would work? |
| 15:24.00 | thewanderer1 | SineDeviance: er, no :P |
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| 15:24.20 | SineDeviance | crapola |
| 15:24.34 | thewanderer1 | !tell SineDeviance about ssb |
| 15:25.13 | SineDeviance | thanks |
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| 15:26.33 | jaggz | I have a lot of packages set to deinstall and some to purge |
| 15:27.47 | jaggz | dpkg -r -a doesn't remove them though.. |
| 15:27.48 | dpkg | removes -a doesn't remove them though.. along with a pound of flesh from jaggz's body, then staples jaggz back up with a staple gun. |
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| 15:28.24 | jaggz | I'm trying to clean up everything dtc touched |
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| 15:29.03 | jaggz | when building my command I stopped to examine the output: for i in `apt-cache depends dtc-common | sed -e 's/.*Depends: //' | sed -e 's/[<>]*//g' | grep -v Suggests | grep -v Conflic`; do echo -n "$i: "; dpkg -s "$i" | grep '^Status: ' ; done |
| 15:30.02 | jaggz | just loops through all the dependencies displaying the dpkg -s of each of them.. except all these exceptions I'm now trying to figure out how to handle. |
| 15:30.39 | thewanderer1 | so you installed dtc and it depended on stuff? doesn't autoremove take care of that? |
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| 15:32.56 | jaggz | yeah it removes it.. but many were already installed deliberately.. I need to fix all their configuration files because DTC sticks its marvelous little hands into all their private files. |
| 15:33.01 | jaggz | (for i in `apt-cache depends dtc-common | sed -e 's/.*Depends: //' | sed -e 's/[<>]*//g' | grep -v Suggests | grep -v Conflic`; do echo -n "$i: "; dpkg -s "$i" 2>/dev/null | grep '^Status: ' ; echo; done) | grep -v '^ *$' |
| 15:33.27 | ksx4system | why mysql doesn't start on Squeeze with my.cnf which worked on Lenny? it just displays "Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed!" |
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| 15:33.53 | jaggz | That's a bit better.. replace dtc-common with a package of your choice and it'll show the dependency statuses of each dependency.. there's probably a command for this right? |
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| 15:37.23 | SineDeviance | hmm |
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| 15:38.08 | SineDeviance | okay, i tried the steps in ssb. 4) install the resultant debs <-- what if it says "dpkg-buildpackage: binary only upload (no source included) |
| 15:38.08 | SineDeviance | " |
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| 15:38.31 | SineDeviance | does this mean i'm boned? |
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| 15:38.43 | thewanderer1 | then it means you aren't a debian developer and are not building the complete set of packages |
| 15:38.56 | thewanderer1 | most of the time, if this is only a warning and not an error, you should be fine |
| 15:39.01 | SineDeviance | okay |
| 15:39.11 | SineDeviance | so where does the resultant deb go? apt-cache? |
| 15:39.34 | tuv | SineDeviance: byobu not worth it, IMO. hand-customize your .screenrc and get far better looking screen |
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| 15:39.59 | SineDeviance | tuv: i'm not doing it for the looks, im doing it for the added functionality |
| 15:40.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | what? It means what it says... |
| 15:40.59 | tuv | SineDeviance: it all can be done with .screenrc + the scripting/programming language of your choice |
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| 15:41.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | SineDeviance, goes to .. |
| 15:41.27 | SineDeviance | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah i just figured it out |
| 15:41.32 | SineDeviance | i had to run dpkg -i |
| 15:42.25 | MrRenegade | is back (gone 06:59:54) |
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| 15:42.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell MrRenegade -about away |
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| 15:43.43 | MrRenegade | is back (gone 07:00:05) |
| 15:44.54 | MrRenegade | I turned it off |
| 15:45.38 | ksx4system | how do I repair MySQL on Debian Squeeze? it just displays "Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed!" |
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| 15:45.46 | ksx4system | anybody knows the solution? |
| 15:45.54 | ksx4system | desperately need it working. |
| 15:46.43 | tuv | SineDeviance: here is what mine looks like: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=358ngp0&s=7 |
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| 15:47.29 | SineDeviance | tuv: thats cool but once again i'm only using byobu for the added functionality. |
| 15:47.34 | SineDeviance | i dont care how screen looks tbh :D |
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| 15:47.41 | codewiz | hi |
| 15:47.46 | tuv | SineDeviance: what functionality? |
| 15:47.48 | SineDeviance | i just want it to be easier for me to work with |
| 15:47.50 | codewiz | i am trying to install rtorrent on a debian 5 server |
| 15:48.03 | abrotman | and? |
| 15:48.08 | codewiz | it finds the packets in the db, but it gives me 404 |
| 15:48.39 | SineDeviance | tuv: help menu for one, so i dont have to remember all the keybindings. and the fact that it has a menu to config what status stuff i want showing is nice |
| 15:48.39 | codewiz | Failed to fetch http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libt/libtorrent/libtorrent9_0.10.4-1_i386.deb 404 Not Found |
| 15:48.45 | SineDeviance | and it starts automatically on login |
| 15:48.49 | SineDeviance | anyways |
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| 15:49.01 | tuv | SineDeviance: help menu: C-a ? |
| 15:49.34 | ksx4system | how do I repair MySQL on Debian Squeeze? it just displays "Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed!" |
| 15:49.35 | SineDeviance | i never got a help menu with ctrl+a |
| 15:49.37 | SineDeviance | anyways |
| 15:49.40 | Dewi | codewiz: usually means you haven't done 'aptitude update' in a while |
| 15:49.43 | SineDeviance | it's installed and working now so i'm good to go |
| 15:49.48 | SineDeviance | thanks all :D |
| 15:50.06 | Dewi | codewiz: like your db doesn't quite match the repos |
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| 15:51.30 | codewiz | Dewi, did it, still 404 |
| 15:51.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | ksx4system, we still see the first time you asked... first, check the bts... also, run mysqld directly to see the real error |
| 15:51.42 | codewiz | by the way, what was the command to install a .deb from command line again? |
| 15:51.49 | codewiz | dpkg -i bla.deb? |
| 15:51.50 | dpkg | installs bla.deb into codewiz's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
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| 15:52.00 | codewiz | looks god haah |
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| 15:54.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | what does bla.deb do for you in there? feeling different? |
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| 15:54.46 | codewiz | uhm |
| 15:54.56 | codewiz | think im too stupid to install that right |
| 15:55.06 | codewiz | like 8 dependencies not fullfilled |
| 15:55.09 | codewiz | sigh |
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| 15:56.15 | ksx4system | CutMeOwnThroat: http://pastebin.org/1190219 that's mysqld error. i don't really understand what's wrong |
| 15:57.08 | tuv | SineDeviance: btw, it's 'C-a ?' for shortcuts |
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| 15:57.36 | SineDeviance | tuv: ahh, i didnt know that. thanks. i'll remember for the future :D |
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| 16:01.20 | project2501a | damn. do i have to compile the kernel in order to compile the nvidia drivers? |
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| 16:01.57 | thewanderer1 | project2501a: no, why? are you doing it with module-assistant? |
| 16:02.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | ksx4system, do what the error suggests? |
| 16:02.24 | thewanderer1 | m-a prepare will give you the headers, and m-a a-i nvidia will install the drivers for you... no reason to use nvidia.com bloatware |
| 16:03.09 | codewiz | whats this: |
| 16:03.09 | codewiz | Err http://ftp.de.debian.org etch/main Packages |
| 16:03.10 | codewiz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:03.50 | Dewi | codewiz: what command was that? |
| 16:03.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | ksx4system, also... I told you to ch4eck the bts.. this is mysql 5.1? |
| 16:03.54 | thewanderer1 | codewiz: read the channel topic! |
| 16:05.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | ksx4system, this one looks like it http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=539479m |
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| 16:05.38 | Dewi | codewiz: you need to either upgrade to lenny or switch to the archive repos, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive |
| 16:05.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | reading topics! you're mad! |
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| 16:06.39 | project2501a | thewanderer1: i do not even know what module assistant is |
| 16:07.05 | project2501a | thewanderer1: i just downloaded the tarball from the nvidia site and went at it. it just been a while |
| 16:07.11 | thewanderer1 | !m-a |
| 16:07.12 | dpkg | rumour has it, module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and install them. "aptitude install module-assistant". See usage examples at http://wiki.debian.org/ModuleAssistant . Log files from successful (and unsuccessful!) builds can be found in /var/cache/modass/ |
| 16:07.33 | project2501a | i would rather not use that |
| 16:07.38 | thewanderer1 | why? |
| 16:07.41 | project2501a | i can read up about it later |
| 16:07.52 | codewiz | thewanderer1, sorry that im such a debian noob, but does "not on the mirrors" mean that i need to use the original server? |
| 16:08.16 | Dewi | codewiz: nope - archive.debian.org |
| 16:08.19 | codewiz | or does it mean the packets are gone |
| 16:08.21 | project2501a | cuz it is an extra diversion from my goal: to make this small box a build-packages server |
| 16:08.34 | codewiz | where do i put that adress so that it gets the packages from there? |
| 16:08.36 | thewanderer1 | codewiz: it means that it's not on any repos besides archive. also, you get a rootkit in 5 minutes when you get on the net. just sayiong... :P |
| 16:08.47 | thewanderer1 | !tell codewiz about etch |
| 16:08.49 | project2501a | thewanderer1: too many tangents already. i will put module-assistant in my todo list and do it later |
| 16:09.22 | codewiz | okay there any descent way to upgrade it? |
| 16:09.27 | codewiz | its a vserver |
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| 16:09.36 | thewanderer1 | codewiz: read what dpkg told you |
| 16:09.42 | thewanderer1 | and ask him for factoids |
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| 16:09.59 | thewanderer1 | project2501a: I have to say that the NVIDIA tarball puts crap on your system which you have to clean up later (like, replacing X.org libraries) :P |
| 16:10.35 | thewanderer1 | project2501a: a shortcut for you. apt-get install module assistant; m-a prepare; m-a a-i nvidia; # you should now have nvidia running |
| 16:12.31 | thewanderer1 | if you really need to use the tarball, m-a prepare will give you the required kernel sources anyway |
| 16:12.41 | project2501a | thewanderer1: ok. i will do it that way |
| 16:17.06 | thewanderer1 | guys, give me a quickie to configure keyboard layout without touching xorg.conf (empty now) |
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| 16:18.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | a quickie! |
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| 16:19.19 | thewanderer1 | alright, now make it produce Polish letters when I press the proper buttons :P |
| 16:19.32 | jelly-home | Å |
| 16:19.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | !keymap |
| 16:19.33 | dpkg | Lenny users: To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", ask me about <drxx>, use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps, xev and ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments. Squeeze users: "dpkg-reconfigure console-setup" for both console and X. |
| 16:20.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | thewanderer1, are you going to type a lot of stuff or only the occasional character? |
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| 16:20.09 | Tom01 | Is somebody using vnc4server? I only shows a console no gnome desktop. What can I do? |
| 16:20.20 | thewanderer1 | CutMeOwnThroat: a localized character every 1 second or so |
| 16:20.32 | jelly-home | missing "in X, you can also use setxkbmap to make once-only/temporary adjustments" |
| 16:20.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | xmodmap is your friend... or foe in changing the layout on the fly... |
| 16:21.09 | thewanderer1 | huh... so why is my default map 'us' even though I'm running with LANG=pl_PL.UTF-8 ? |
| 16:21.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | thewanderer1, hmm, sounds too much, if it's only the occasional word, the compose key would be enough (/msg dpkg compose for that) |
| 16:21.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | LANG is for display, the keymap is separate |
| 16:22.00 | thewanderer1 | I can type those characters in the console |
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| 16:22.14 | thewanderer1 | in X it doesn't work though |
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| 16:23.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | X and console are separate, too, as you could also see in the factoid |
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| 16:24.19 | Soul_Sample | i have issues with front panel jack detection in debian (mic and headphones), i'm using pulseaudio. any ideas? |
| 16:24.33 | Empis | hello, im trying to setup a RAID5 volyme in debian by partition mangager in the installation. i got 4 980GB drives and the RAID5 volume only shows 2TB. is that maximum? |
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| 16:24.51 | meltphace | Soul_Sample: do you see it in alsamixer |
| 16:25.10 | project2501a | Empis: with raid 5 yeah, that sounds about right |
| 16:25.20 | Empis | so maximum 2TB? damn :( |
| 16:25.26 | project2501a | should be 2.31TB |
| 16:25.36 | Soul_Sample | meltphace yes, nothing is muted, but I have an extra headphones setting (didn't have it in ubuntu) which is greyed out, I can do nothing with it |
| 16:25.57 | jhutchins | Tom01: You'll have to go through the docs for that server. They should explain the various options for shared desktop/unique login/console. |
| 16:25.57 | Empis | should be 2.9TB.... |
| 16:25.59 | project2501a | Empis: yeah, with raid 5 yeah |
| 16:26.03 | Empis | doh |
| 16:26.12 | project2501a | Empis: maybe you got something wrong in the nstall? |
| 16:26.14 | project2501a | install |
| 16:26.17 | project2501a | brb, rebooting |
| 16:26.25 | Empis | nah, dont think so |
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| 16:27.12 | DDRP | hi |
| 16:27.16 | jhutchins | Empis: Your total storage in RAID5 is <drive size>*(N-1) where N is number of drives. |
| 16:27.28 | Empis | yeah i know |
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| 16:27.34 | Empis | 4x1TB - 1TB |
| 16:27.43 | Empis | should be about 3TB, only getting 2TB |
| 16:27.46 | jhutchins | Empis: Because manufacturers play around with how they count drive size, your actual space may differ quite a bit from the claimed capacity. |
| 16:28.02 | abrotman | Empis: if one is a hot spare, 2TB is correct |
| 16:28.02 | Empis | yeah but im not loosing 1TB right? :P |
| 16:28.18 | Empis | hmm, what the spare have to do? |
| 16:28.43 | jhutchins | Empis: Depending on how many bytes the actual drives have, given rounding and 1000 !=1024 errors... |
| 16:28.44 | Empis | can i run a complete raid5 without the hotspare? |
| 16:29.09 | jhutchins | Empis: RAID5 requires 2 data 1 checksum. |
| 16:29.24 | jhutchins | Empis: You have 3 data 1 checksum. |
| 16:29.49 | jhutchins | Empis: Performance should be better, if the controller is adequate. |
| 16:29.53 | Empis | and then i got only 2TB |
| 16:30.15 | Empis | 3 active drives and 1 spare |
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| 16:31.03 | thewanderer1 | xmodmap is not really helpful in setting the layout |
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| 16:31.22 | jhutchins | Empis: That is correct then. |
| 16:32.02 | Empis | jhutchins: i got 4x1TB, in the teory im getting 3TB (4-1). but now i only got 2TB |
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| 16:32.19 | jhutchins | No, if one is a spare, then you have 3-1=2x |
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| 16:32.40 | Empis | eh |
| 16:32.41 | tuv | Empis: have them all active |
| 16:33.31 | Empis | tuv: yeah thats the point im trying to come too, can i have all actives and still some parites space on all drives? |
| 16:33.45 | jhutchins | Yes. |
| 16:33.54 | limpio | hi guys, just installed Squeeze, youtube works fine, is there a way of using Quicktime, i got mplayer installed. Thxs |
| 16:34.01 | Empis | and whats the spare for? ;s |
| 16:34.09 | Empis | useless if u got a RAID5 if u ask me |
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| 16:35.59 | Empis | im going to make a 20GB partition and one partition with the rest on each drive, and use the small one to a RAID1 for operativesystem (just for booting) |
| 16:36.05 | Empis | any other tip? |
| 16:36.21 | Empis | so 4x20GB in RAID1 |
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| 16:38.07 | tuv | Empis: i presume the spare is used if one disk dies - so you stay up withouot having to install any new hardware |
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| 16:38.26 | Empis | so the spare disk takes over? |
| 16:38.26 | tuv | Empis: you'll be fine having all of them active. it's still going to be raid5 |
| 16:38.33 | Empis | and then im installing a new drive? |
| 16:38.49 | Empis | yeah thats the point :) |
| 16:39.18 | Empis | so if i got them all active, and one dies, i still can rebuild if insertes a new? |
| 16:39.21 | tuv | Empis: it's like have a spare tire that gets automatically installed if you lose one of the 'active' tires |
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| 16:39.34 | Empis | tuv: ah oke |
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| 16:39.53 | meltphace | Soul_Sample: greyed out in alsamixer? |
| 16:40.15 | Soul_Sample | meltphace yes, it's grey, like it's locked or something... i can screenshot it if you want |
| 16:40.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh |
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| 16:40.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | people leave so fast |
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| 16:41.18 | Nepherius | uhm how do i unmount a iso ?:) |
| 16:41.28 | Soul_Sample | meltphace it's like this > http://i52.tinypic.com/hrzarp.jpg |
| 16:41.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | same way you umount anything else? |
| 16:41.53 | Empis | umount /point_to_unmount |
| 16:41.56 | Nepherius | ah |
| 16:42.03 | Nepherius | i trien unmount :P |
| 16:42.12 | Empis | hehe, have been there too :D |
| 16:42.12 | Nepherius | tried* |
| 16:42.23 | seeds | Nepherius it is umount |
| 16:43.08 | Nepherius | cool , ty |
| 16:43.29 | Empis | tuv: so, if i have them all active and one dies, im still running? |
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| 16:44.01 | tuv | Empis: yes, but raid5 can't recover from >1-drive loss |
| 16:44.30 | Empis | yeah, but if just ONE is gone, i can rebuild ? |
| 16:44.35 | tuv | yes |
| 16:44.48 | Empis | and i can still boot and use the raid if one is gone? |
| 16:44.50 | tuv | after you replace it |
| 16:44.57 | Empis | yeah |
| 16:45.25 | anddam | hello |
| 16:45.30 | Empis | hi |
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| 16:46.02 | tuv | yes. that's the whole point. but note that rebuilding a raid5 array is compute-intensive, unlike rebuilding raid1 or raid10 |
| 16:46.03 | anddam | can anyone with wx2.8-headers installed check if anyone of the headers in package includes wx/unix/execute.h ? |
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| 16:46.14 | abrotman | !tell anddam about apt-file |
| 16:46.28 | anddam | abrotman: I've got no debian system handy atm |
| 16:46.48 | meltphace | anddam: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 16:46.55 | Empis | hehe |
| 16:46.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | packages.debian.org? |
| 16:47.03 | anddam | and I'm asking for a different thing |
| 16:47.05 | abrotman | anddam: packages.debian.org has a way for you to search for files |
| 16:47.14 | anddam | and I've already been through it |
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| 16:47.41 | meltphace | anddam: just download the package, extract it, and do your little grep manually |
| 16:48.04 | anddam | execute.h is a private header, that header is missing in my wxMac build but it has been included in debian package, I'd like to know if any of the other actual header files includes it |
| 16:48.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | wx2.8-headers: /usr/include/wx-2.8/wx/unix/execute.h |
| 16:48.19 | abrotman | anddam: which version of debian? that does matter |
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| 16:48.27 | anddam | I searched for lenny |
| 16:48.31 | abrotman | oh .. no it doesn't |
| 16:48.36 | abrotman | anddam: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/i386/wx2.8-headers/filelist |
| 16:48.39 | Wyzard | anddam: http://packages.debian.org/sid/i386/wx2.8-headers/filelist |
| 16:48.41 | Wyzard | haha |
| 16:48.42 | abrotman | was looking at the wrong file |
| 16:48.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | may I also post the url? |
| 16:48.53 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: only for squeeze |
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| 16:49.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | etch? |
| 16:49.18 | abrotman | not on pdo anymore |
| 16:49.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | then I don't wanna |
| 16:50.01 | anddam | I had already found that page, telling me once about pdo is enough |
| 16:50.12 | anddam | but how does that answer to my question? |
| 16:50.15 | thewanderer1 | how to configure system-wide keyboard layout now that xorg.conf is gone? |
| 16:50.23 | anddam | that's a list of file, not the files' content |
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| 16:51.59 | abrotman | anddam: your original question asked if the file existed? |
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| 16:52.29 | themill | abrotman: he's looking for things that #include that file, from what I can work out |
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| 16:52.51 | abrotman | maybe anddam should rephrase his question |
| 16:53.03 | tuv | thewanderer1: tried 'dpkg-reconfigure console-setup' ? |
| 16:53.08 | anddam | no, my original question was if anyone with a debian system could search, for example piping xargs grep to the output of dpkg -L |
| 16:53.17 | santi | Good evening! I have a short question. Some time ago I put the command to send me an eMail after root login into one script which is run when I login as root but I don't remember what it's name was! But I know that it isn't roots .bashrc. Any ideas? |
| 16:53.18 | anddam | themill: correct |
| 16:53.36 | thewanderer1 | tuv, yeah now I have localized chars in console but not in X... I think I'll reboot |
| 16:53.47 | anddam | themill: the point is that header is not supposd to be there so I'm wondering why it's the -headers package |
| 16:53.48 | themill | anddam: you can download the debian packages and do this yourself. The chance of anyone actually having this development package installed is slim |
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| 16:54.06 | anddam | themill: what tool to extract deb? |
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| 16:54.24 | thewanderer1 | santi: .profile, .bash_profile, or just "grep mail .*" |
| 16:54.31 | themill | anddam: /msg dpkg deb ; ar and tar |
| 16:55.08 | anddam | k thanks |
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| 16:55.37 | themill | !man deb |
| 16:55.37 | dpkg | man deb is probably at http://manpages.debian.net/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=deb where you can view many Debian man pages. Ask me about <docs> <dmp> <grounding> <search>. |
| 16:55.41 | themill | anddam: ^^ also there |
| 16:56.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | anddam, I already told you it's there |
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| 16:56.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | only about 6 minutes ago |
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| 16:58.17 | santi | This eMail command isn't there, is there another script that runs when somebody logs in? |
| 16:58.22 | emerson | dpkg: `ldconfig' not found on PATH. |
| 16:58.22 | emerson | dpkg: `start-stop-daemon' not found on PATH. |
| 16:58.22 | emerson | dpkg: `install-info' not found on PATH. |
| 16:58.22 | emerson | dpkg: `update-rc.d' not found on PATH. |
| 16:58.22 | emerson | dpkg: 4 expected program(s) not found on PATH. |
| 16:58.22 | dpkg | i don't know, emerson |
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| 16:59.12 | anddam | CutMeOwnThroat: I can't find the line you're referring to |
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| 16:59.53 | abrotman | emerson: use paste.debian.net .. don't flood the channel |
| 16:59.54 | emerson | sorry supposed to go in the pastbin |
| 17:00.19 | emerson | abrotman: I know I copy on the wrong plance .. |
| 17:00.20 | emerson | sorry .. |
| 17:00.26 | jordanm | santi: if you are looking for the "mail" command, see aptitude search ~Pmailx |
| 17:00.56 | anddam | anyway I've been confirmed that headers in wx/unix/* shouldn't be in the final package |
| 17:01.48 | emerson | http://paste.debian.net/91669/ |
| 17:01.53 | emerson | anyone can help..me .. |
| 17:01.57 | santi | jordanm: Thank you but the problem is that I put the mail command in a script that is run when root logs in that I receive an email about it but I can't find it anymore |
| 17:01.58 | emerson | please |
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| 17:03.26 | tharkun | santi: find and grep are your friends :D |
| 17:03.53 | santi | tharkun: It think I will need a strong coffee :D |
| 17:03.57 | jordanm | santi: I don't understand your explination of the problem. can you provide more details? |
| 17:05.05 | tharkun | jordanm: the man made a script to mail him whenever root logs in. And he forgot what its name was |
| 17:05.29 | jordanm | oh |
| 17:05.31 | santi | tharkun: Thank you for translating :) |
| 17:05.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | anddam, <CutMeOwnThroat> wx2.8-headers: /usr/include/wx-2.8/wx/unix/execute.h |
| 17:05.40 | emerson | any idea what it could be ? |
| 17:06.05 | tharkun | santi: Either you ran it on a cronjob or ran it as a daemon, therefore look for it also on ps -AF and /etc/crontab |
| 17:06.13 | anddam | CutMeOwnThroat: again, I'm not searching for that info, I didn't ask what package contained that file |
| 17:06.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | you asked if it's there and it is |
| 17:06.29 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: he wanted to know if any file had "#include <wx/unix/execute.h>" (or similar) in it. Not what package contained that file. |
| 17:06.44 | jordanm | emerson: pastebin: echo $PATH; apt-cache policy libc6 apt vlc |
| 17:07.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | aha... didn't understand that from the questions |
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| 17:08.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | none of the other headers in the same package |
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| 17:08.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | who knows in other packages |
| 17:08.32 | santi | tharkun: It isn't a daemon and it isn't in any cron. But there is something strange: I only receive this eMail when I log in as "santi" and then su to root. If I login directly as root there is nothing |
| 17:08.52 | emerson | jordanm:http://paste.debian.net/91670/ |
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| 17:09.21 | tharkun | santi: are you using bash as root's $SHELL ? |
| 17:09.32 | jordanm | emerson: how did you become root? |
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| 17:10.13 | anddam | CutMeOwnThroat: the point is that I don't have that execute.h in my wxMac installation and I've been told on #wxwidgets that those files shouldn't be installed at all. Maybe they should be deleted at all by maintainer |
| 17:10.14 | jordanm | santi: check dotfiles |
| 17:11.04 | santi | tharkun, jordanm: Roots $SHELL is /bin/bash. I already looked into all dotfiles in /root. |
| 17:11.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | maybe... check the bugreports, write one if you think it's important and none is there |
| 17:11.15 | themill | anddam: you should contact the maintainer directly -- start at bugs.debian.org |
| 17:11.49 | tharkun | jordanm: correct me if i am wrong. IRCC when you log in as root you use some .bash file and when you use a different login method you use a different file |
| 17:12.05 | anddam | IRCC =? |
| 17:12.21 | tharkun | And if my memory serves me right when one of those is not present you use the system wide file |
| 17:12.22 | anddam | IIRC with a typo? |
| 17:12.32 | tharkun | :D |
| 17:13.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | I Remember Completely Correctly :) |
| 17:13.11 | santi | tharkun: Where are these system wide files? The command isn't in /etc/profile |
| 17:13.42 | tharkun | santi: check on /etc |
| 17:14.10 | jordanm | tharkun: bash sources the same files regardless of user but you have things in /etc/profile and /etc/bashrc that check if its being soured by root and acts accordingly |
| 17:14.57 | tharkun | jordanm: thx for clarifying its been some time that i ditched bash |
| 17:15.20 | jordanm | there is the INVOCATION section of man bash. /etc/bash.bashrc is debian specific |
| 17:15.25 | santi | tharkun, jordanm: Thank you guys! |
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| 17:15.34 | tharkun | No hay de que :D |
| 17:15.43 | santi | tharkun, jordanm: It was in /etc/bash.bashrc :D |
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| 17:17.08 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
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| 17:23.30 | emerson | jordanm: well I typed su -m |
| 17:24.25 | emerson | jordanm: or su -p |
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| 17:30.31 | jordanm | emerson: you don't want either one of those options |
| 17:30.53 | jordanm | emerson: root has different env vars for a reason |
| 17:31.02 | emerson | jordanm: ? |
| 17:31.45 | jordanm | emerson: just use "su" or "su -l", not su -p or -m |
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| 17:32.26 | drokmed | I always su - |
| 17:32.37 | emerson | jornam: can you explain me why, please ? |
| 17:32.40 | jordanm | su - is the same as su -l |
| 17:33.16 | drokmed | that's the long version :) |
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| 17:33.53 | jordanm | emerson: in this case, root has directories in his PATH variable that are used for administrative things |
| 17:34.06 | jordanm | emerson: using -m or -p keeps your PATH and does not use root's |
| 17:34.30 | emerson | jordanm: right I understood.. |
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| 17:34.46 | emerson | jordanm: cheers man... |
| 17:35.07 | evilgeenius | Im getting the message "no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH" when trying to complie something. What do package I have to apt-get? |
| 17:35.11 | evilgeenius | I am new to debian |
| 17:35.40 | jordanm | !b-e |
| 17:35.40 | dpkg | i guess build-essential is a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to "aptitude install build-essential". If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. Ask me about <qotd49>. |
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| 17:36.03 | jordanm | !qotd49 |
| 17:36.04 | dpkg | <tcsetattr> build-essential contains all of the ... um ... essential stuff. For building. |
| 17:36.28 | evilgeenius | cheers |
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| 17:54.45 | peterrooney | any ideas on program to change keyboard repeat rate in X? |
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| 17:55.35 | f8l | peterrooney: What desktop environment are you using? |
| 17:55.40 | jhutchins_lt | peterrooney: It's often set in the BIOS. |
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| 17:56.21 | peterrooney | enlightenment |
| 17:56.37 | Bushmills | peterrooney: xset |
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| 17:58.17 | peterrooney | Bushmills: thank you. xset it is. I was about to kill this X session in desparation. |
| 17:58.23 | jhutchins_lt | drokmed: Because people were lazy and kept forgetting to use the "-" with su, it's been hacked to act as if the - were included when becoming root. |
| 17:59.02 | jhutchins_lt | drokmed: "su -" is the more correct and universal format. |
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| 17:59.15 | luckz | I largely run stable. I need python 2.6 or 2.7. how do I best go about this? |
| 17:59.22 | drokmed | that's what i've always used, since unix in the 80's |
| 17:59.35 | peterrooney | Bushmills: that'll teach me to use x11vnc to attach to a not-logged-in display manager... |
| 17:59.36 | jhutchins_lt | luckz: Why do you need the newer python? |
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| 17:59.56 | jhutchins_lt | drokmed: The hack is fairly recent. |
| 18:00.14 | jhutchins_lt | drokmed: Helps keep idiots from b0rking their personal config files. |
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| 18:00.48 | drokmed | yeah well they need to get b0rked to learn the right way IMHO |
| 18:01.12 | jhutchins_lt | drokmed: Agreed, but apparently some ubuntuite decided to protect them from learning. |
| 18:01.13 | Bushmills | peterrooney: there is xdmcp |
| 18:01.16 | n0wje | Has anyone installed pidgin-2.7.3 successfully? I am running into a few deps and that is after I did apt-get install build-dep pidgin! |
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| 18:01.33 | drokmed | ugh ubuntards and their sudo |
| 18:01.37 | luckz | jhutchins_lt: http://github.com/brownan/Minecraft-Overviewer lists it as requirement, and I get a pile of errors using 2.5 |
| 18:01.50 | jhutchins_lt | n0wje: I have 2.7.3 on stable. |
| 18:02.23 | jhutchins_lt | luckz: Because python is used in many system scripts, attempting to upgrade the system-wide version has brought some people grief. |
| 18:02.41 | jhutchins_lt | luckz: Supposedly you can install it under /usr/local, but I have not seen it done successfully so far. |
| 18:03.41 | jhutchins_lt | n0wje: Enable backports, install from there. |
| 18:03.53 | jhutchins_lt | !tell n0wje about bpo |
| 18:04.18 | n0wje | roger that will try that, thanks! |
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| 18:07.34 | anddam | bye |
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| 18:08.22 | n0wje | jhutchins_lt thanks that worked!!!! |
| 18:08.41 | jhutchins_lt | n0wje: Excellent. |
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| 18:09.13 | jhutchins_lt | luckz: Thanks for letting us know what app it was; we have been getting more frequent inquiries. |
| 18:09.19 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions python |
| 18:09.21 | judd | Package python on i386 -- etch: 2.4.4-2; lenny: 2.5.2-3; squeeze: 2.6.5-13; sid: 2.6.6-3 |
| 18:09.30 | xuser | luckz: download, compile, install in /usr/lcoal, make sure don't override the symbolic link /usr/bin/python |
| 18:10.00 | jhutchins_lt | xuser: Have you done this successfully? |
| 18:10.45 | luckz | I'd otherwise upgrade my whole system from stable to testing, but I think some virtualmin/webmin stuff I need is only geared at stable |
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| 18:11.16 | jhutchins_lt | xuser: Someone else recently tried this and was unable to get all of the dependent libraries to see each other and to get scripts to use the newer version. |
| 18:11.31 | Boristhenes | hi |
| 18:11.36 | jhutchins_lt | !webmin |
| 18:11.37 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://bugs.debian.org/343897 about the removal from Debian. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
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| 18:12.26 | jhutchins_lt | Far more efficient to learn to do system administration properly than to spend the time necessary to fix a system that has been b0rked by webmin. |
| 18:12.56 | luckz | it hasn't borked my system in the last years. |
| 18:13.05 | xuser | jhutchins_lt: yeah, he shouldn't use the new version for the base system or deb packages |
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| 18:14.03 | jhutchins_lt | Silly of them not to make it backward-compatible, but oh well. |
| 18:14.59 | jhutchins_lt | luckz: It would probably be a good idea to make a system backup before you start messing with it. |
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| 18:16.18 | MagusOTB | Is there a PHP support channel on freenode that doesn't redirect me to ##Overflow? |
| 18:17.01 | simonrvn | ##php ? maybe their limit is fubar |
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| 18:17.29 | simonrvn | channel limit i mean |
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| 18:18.21 | MagusOTB | Huh. I'll try again later. |
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| 18:22.25 | jelly-home | MagusOTB: works for me. Are you identified with nickserv? |
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| 18:24.31 | jelly-home | MagusOTB: /msg nickserv help register, and for later /msg nickserv help identify |
| 18:24.36 | morgan` | hello |
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| 18:27.50 | drokmed | luckz: webmin maintain their own deb archives, have have current testing too, see http://www.webmin.com/deb.html to add the archive to your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:28.41 | abrotman | you really shouldn't use webmin |
| 18:29.02 | drokmed | jhutchins_lt: agreed, webmin has security issues, it has it's uses though |
| 18:29.22 | addai | how can i set apt to use the testing packages? |
| 18:29.37 | drokmed | i use webmin to delegate tasks to managers, allow them to manage the dansguardian groups, squid users, stuff like that |
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| 18:29.57 | drokmed | i dont use webmin for system level stuff though |
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| 18:31.28 | EDF | need to know how can i release to RTSP Server on my Debian based server |
| 18:31.29 | EDF | ? |
| 18:32.31 | luckz | drokmed: well, http://software.virtualmin.com/gpl/debian/dists/ is etch/lenny only |
| 18:32.54 | drokmed | checking |
| 18:32.58 | EDF | luckz, may you plz help me |
| 18:33.02 | jelly-home | isn't there an old factoid mentioning knives and power sockets about webmin |
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| 18:33.11 | EDF | just want to know alittle thing |
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| 18:33.36 | EDF | about RTSP Protocal on my dedicated server which is Debian based server? |
| 18:34.07 | EDF | I need to installed RTSP Protocal services on my dabian based dedicated server |
| 18:34.13 | EDF | may you please help me ? |
| 18:34.59 | abrotman | RTSP ? |
| 18:35.02 | abrotman | terminal server? |
| 18:35.06 | drokmed | luckz: you right, i see webmin and usermin in their online debian archives, dont see virtualmin... virtualmin is on my list of things to check out, if it works well, might switch from gosa to it |
| 18:35.33 | abrotman | !tell addai about lenny->squeeze |
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| 18:35.55 | EDF | abrotman RSTP -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_Time_Streaming_Protocol |
| 18:36.05 | abrotman | oh |
| 18:36.11 | drokmed | jelly-home: i used to be that way about webmin, back in the sarge days, but it's come a long way, really good at some things, just dont use it for sysadmin though |
| 18:36.19 | luckz | drokmed: it works very well for me here, it's just not so 'bleeding edge' in its system support |
| 18:36.54 | drokmed | luckz: take a look at gosa, it's even more advanced, mainly for managing ldap domains, but covers most system management tasks |
| 18:37.02 | abrotman | EDF: it has a list of implementations on that wiki page .. are any of those in debian ? |
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| 18:37.44 | luckz | drokmed: I don't even know what ldap is :P |
| 18:38.02 | MrRenegade | wow weird my internet line pretty much went down to the point that only 1k of traffic was allowed and IRC was still running just fine :P |
| 18:38.03 | drokmed | lol unix equivalent to ms ntlm domain |
| 18:38.09 | EDF | there is a one |
| 18:38.10 | EDF | Gstreamer |
| 18:39.41 | EDF | but it is not specified for dabian |
| 18:39.51 | EDF | may anyone please help me ? |
| 18:40.38 | drokmed | EDF: I would if I could, haven't used that, sorry... |
| 18:41.04 | drokmed | try again tonight when it gets busier |
| 18:41.57 | luckz | jhutchins_lt: wouldn't virtualenv or so work to get a 2.7/2.6 environment? |
| 18:42.16 | jhutchins_lt | luckz: Not a clue, sorry. |
| 18:42.53 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions webmin |
| 18:42.54 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'webmin' was found in i386. |
| 18:43.03 | abrotman | yay! |
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| 18:43.46 | drokmed | last was in sarge |
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| 18:44.54 | jhutchins_lt | It encourages bad habits. |
| 18:45.04 | drokmed | agreed |
| 18:45.34 | jhutchins_lt | I've also seen it mess up a server's configuration pretty badly when something went wrong. |
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| 18:45.48 | abrotman | so just stop talking about it .. if you ignore it, maybe it will go away :) |
| 18:46.02 | plovs | it is usefull for simple things and admins who don't know what they are doing |
| 18:46.03 | drokmed | we can take this to off-topic |
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| 18:47.02 | heyzeus | hi |
| 18:47.16 | jhutchins_lt | plovs: Manuals are a better solution. |
| 18:47.19 | heyzeus | is Debian still at Lenny ? |
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| 18:47.50 | sernin | Squeeze is frozen, so technically, the stable release is Lenny but it will be Squeeze soon. |
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| 18:48.17 | sernin | Also, look at the /topic. |
| 18:49.27 | abrotman | he didn't even wait |
| 18:49.29 | plovs | jhutchins_lt: or a clue-bat :-) i liked the debian systems book from m.krafft |
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| 18:50.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | not true... waited a full 27 seconds |
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| 18:51.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | 29* |
| 18:51.18 | psycho23 | I'm looking at package versions for vim: 2:7.3.000+hg~ee53a39d5896-1 and 1:7.1.314-3+lenny2 My question: what does the beginning '1:' and '2:' mean? |
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| 18:56.05 | wathek | hello all |
| 18:56.58 | wathek | I need some help I'm trying to run CCV and I'm getting this error while loading shared libraries: libgstreamer0.10.so.0: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64 |
| 18:57.56 | abrotman | wathek: is your system 64bit ? |
| 18:58.00 | wathek | abrotman, yes |
| 18:58.15 | disposab1e | i'm running squeeze with 2.6.32 (and 2.6.35) kernel on intel T8100 (2.1GHz), but my cpufreq never goes above 1.2GHz. if i do cpufreq-info, it says that governor "performance" can choose anything between 800 and 1200MHz instead of 800-2100. how do i fix that? |
| 18:58.35 | wathek | abrotman, I'm using Lenny |
| 18:58.48 | abrotman | wathek: and you're sure you're on amd64 debian ? |
| 18:58.57 | wathek | abrotman, yes |
| 18:59.05 | abrotman | is that library? |
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| 18:59.26 | wathek | abrotman, what ? |
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| 18:59.35 | Parsifal | disposab1e: I had a similar problem |
| 18:59.51 | abrotman | the one that it errors on |
| 18:59.56 | Parsifal | Try doing "echo 1 > /sys/module/processor/parameters/ignore_ppc" in a root terminal |
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| 19:00.46 | Parsifal | Then "echo 2100000 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_max_freq |
| 19:00.59 | Parsifal | See if there's any difference after that |
| 19:01.02 | xulf | abrotman: hi |
| 19:01.15 | abrotman | hi? |
| 19:01.19 | xulf | abrotman: you da man |
| 19:01.24 | Parsifal | disposab1e: If that doesn't work, I don't know what else will, that's just what worked for me |
| 19:01.33 | wathek | abrotman, any idea ? |
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| 19:01.45 | abrotman | wathek: file /usr/lib/libgstreamer0.10.so.0 |
| 19:01.50 | wathek | ok |
| 19:03.19 | wathek | ok so |
| 19:03.43 | wathek | abrotman, when I do file /usr/lib/libgstreamer0.10.so.0 it says that it's a symbolic link to libgstreamer-0.10.so.0.16.0 |
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| 19:03.55 | abrotman | okay, so look at that one then |
| 19:04.01 | wathek | abrotman, and when I do file /usr/lib/libgstreamer0.10.so.0.16.0 |
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| 19:04.18 | heyzeus | hi |
| 19:04.34 | heyzeus | about how much disk space should debian consume with no desktop manager. |
| 19:04.40 | heyzeus | I only need it for servers. |
| 19:04.43 | abrotman | heyzeus: i think it's about 500MB minimum now |
| 19:04.44 | wathek | abrotman, and it says ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, stripped |
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| 19:05.04 | abrotman | wathek: can you put the command you use and hte full error in a pastebin ? |
| 19:05.06 | disposab1e | Parsifal: the .../ignore_ppc was what i was missing. thanks. |
| 19:05.19 | wathek | abrotman, I'm trying to run ccv |
| 19:05.28 | Parsifal | disposab1e: No problem, to make that stick you need to pass it as a boot parameter to your kernel though |
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| 19:06.03 | abrotman | wathek: and there's no other output ? |
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| 19:06.11 | abrotman | wathek: file ./ccv ? |
| 19:06.17 | wathek | ok one sec |
| 19:06.33 | disposab1e | Parsifal: however, this isn't really a fix. do you know if this is on debian bts? |
| 19:07.12 | wathek | abrotman, the file is a bash file which contains this : export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$(pwd)/libs/; ./Community_Core_Vision |
| 19:07.36 | wathek | abrotman, and file Community_Core_Vision |
| 19:07.58 | Parsifal | disposab1e: I'm not sure, I found various bug reports relating to it when I was reading about it but I don't remember if any of them were in Debian |
| 19:08.06 | wathek | says ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs) ... |
| 19:08.20 | Parsifal | disposab1e: Adding the line GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="processor.ignore_ppc=1" to /etc/default/grub will pass it to your kernel at boot time |
| 19:08.27 | wathek | abrotman, I think that there's the problem |
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| 19:08.42 | disposab1e | Parsifal: thank you |
| 19:08.47 | abrotman | wathek: probably not a great thing .. but you can get it to run maybe .. but if they have a 64bit version, it would be much easier |
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| 19:09.04 | Parsifal | disposab1e: That's assuming you're using GRUB2, I'm not sure if GRUB1 is any different |
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| 19:10.26 | sisterdelirious_ | hello there. I just managed to install the lxde debian 5.0 latest stable verison, and i'm a newbie. can someone tell me how I can find and install addiitional software? I don't find a menu system with anything like synaptic or software center in it... |
| 19:11.28 | abrotman | sisterdelirious_: start an xterm, become root, and aptitude install synaptic .. then you can use that |
| 19:11.30 | heyzeus | abrotman: that kicks ass ! |
| 19:11.47 | abrotman | what did i do? |
| 19:11.52 | abrotman | oh okay |
| 19:12.42 | heyzeus | debian only needs 500 mb |
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| 19:12.52 | sisterdelirious_ | abrotman: ok... i opened a terminal and did a sudo apt-get synaptic, but when i enter my pw, the only pw on the system which only just got installed, it tells me that i'm not in the "sudoers file" |
| 19:13.12 | sisterdelirious_ | and of course adds "this incident will be reported" |
| 19:13.52 | f8l | sisterdelirious_: To become root type `su`. |
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| 19:14.38 | f8l | sisterdelirious_: Perhaps you've been using Ubuntu before? |
| 19:14.45 | sisterdelirious_ | erg. ok. so what would the full command be to ask for it to install synaptic? su apt-get synaptic errors out |
| 19:15.06 | Flash_ | sisterdelirious_try apt-get install synaptic |
| 19:15.19 | Flash_ | su to root first |
| 19:15.47 | sisterdelirious_ | f8l i have been trying mightily to get ubuntu to work and finally gave up yesterday and started other options. Debian is the first of 4 alternatives that actually gets to a point where i can boot the install. but, i dont know dick about what to do next.... |
| 19:16.19 | sisterdelirious_ | unknown id apt-get |
| 19:16.28 | f8l | sisterdelirious_: If you want to use su similarly to sudo you can type `su -c 'apt-get install synaptic'`. |
| 19:17.13 | sisterdelirious_ | sisterd@debian:~$ su -c apt-get install synaptic Unknown id: install |
| 19:17.16 | f8l | sisterdelirious_: Su is not sudo's equivalent. |
| 19:17.43 | f8l | sisterdelirious_: Forgot about apostrophes. |
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| 19:17.59 | sisterdelirious_ | i don't know anything i'm a newbie. doesnt matter to me if it is or isnt. i just want to know how/what to use. how it compares to something else isn't meaningful to me because i dont know anything about anything in the linux world. |
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| 19:18.22 | abrotman | sisterdelirious_: you should also be using aptitude |
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| 19:19.07 | sisterdelirious_ | ok f8l with the apostrophes it apperas to be working |
| 19:19.13 | wathek | abrotman, how can I get it to run ? |
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| 19:19.38 | abrotman | wathek: they dn't hvae a 64bit version ? |
| 19:19.43 | abrotman | nice typing ... |
| 19:19.54 | wathek | abrotman, I didn't find a 64bits version |
| 19:19.55 | wathek | :( |
| 19:20.40 | sisterdelirious_ | crap now it wants some version of the install cd in the drive and i dont have that version |
| 19:20.51 | abrotman | wathek: is there an ia32-libs packages available |
| 19:20.57 | abrotman | sisterdelirious_: so comment it out in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 19:21.07 | wathek | abrotman, let me see that |
| 19:21.17 | f8l | sisterdelirious_: It's probably the same CD from which you installed your system. |
| 19:21.19 | sisterdelirious_ | abrotman: what does that mean? |
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| 19:21.54 | wathek | abrotman, yes ia32-libs is installed |
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| 19:22.19 | abrotman | they may not have the libs you need .. might be easier still to do a chroot |
| 19:22.43 | somiaj | for some reason all files I create are put in the user.group myuser.fuse instead of myuser.myuser -- I cannot seem to figure out how to set this default behaviour. newgrp works but launches a new shell and is only tempary -- any suggestions on where to look? |
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| 19:22.59 | sisterdelirious_ | abrotman: I am a newbie. What does it mean to "comment it out"? |
| 19:23.06 | f8l | sisterdelirious_: As root: `leafpad /etc/apt/sources.list` |
| 19:23.55 | f8l | sisterdelirious_: Than you will see an editor. Write a # in front of line which has the CD name. |
| 19:24.11 | abrotman | probably easier if sisterdelirious_ just sticks the CD in, and then uses synaptic to change the sources.list |
| 19:25.06 | sisterdelirious_ | ok. i'm following a little bit. leafpad i see is the text editing program. how do i open it as root? |
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| 19:26.03 | f8l | sisterdelirious_: Just like before: terminal; type su; it'll ask you for root password, type it. |
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| 19:26.43 | sisterdelirious_ | ok so taking a stab here it would be su -c 'leafpad /etc/apt/sources.list' |
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| 19:27.10 | f8l | sisterdelirious_: If you want do it that way it'll work. |
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| 19:27.33 | sisterdelirious_ | ok. leafpad opened. i need to put # in front of.... what? |
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| 19:28.00 | f8l | sisterdelirious_: Can you see a line with a CD name? |
| 19:28.01 | sisterdelirious_ | f8l no idea what other way there is. don't know what the -c does or why i've put it there.... |
| 19:28.11 | Empis | hello, im trying to install debian 64 lenny on software-raided raid1, and when its copying the files it tell me to insert the disc with this label: "Debian GNU/LINUX 5.0.5 lenny official amd64 cd binary-1 20100626-18:35" isnt that the first one im installing with? |
| 19:28.31 | sisterdelirious_ | theya ll kinda look like cd names |
| 19:28.40 | f8l | Empis: Probably. |
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| 19:28.49 | Empis | f8l: cant continue :s |
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| 19:29.53 | f8l | sisterdelirious_: Some should look like Internet addresses. |
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| 19:30.16 | sisterdelirious_ | ok. all the lines refer to a path that includes the name "lenny" which is why i said theya ll look the same. but,t hef rist two lines, one with a # prefix one without, include "deg cdrom" as the first few characters of the line. I'm guessing I just stick a # in front of the second cdrom line as well? |
| 19:30.17 | wathek | abrotman, so ? |
| 19:30.27 | abrotman | wathek: i said something above |
| 19:30.44 | f8l | sisterdelirious_: Yes |
| 19:31.06 | wathek | abrotman, a chroot ?? |
| 19:31.11 | sisterdelirious_ | ok. done and saved. now,w hat did that achieve? |
| 19:31.33 | f8l | sisterdelirious_: Now it'll not ask for the CD. |
| 19:31.36 | abrotman | sisterdelirious_: as root "aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade && aptitude install synaptic" |
| 19:31.58 | sisterdelirious_ | ok, i did manage to get synaptic installed already. |
| 19:32.11 | abrotman | wathek: in the debian-amd64 manual .. there is a sectoin about making a chroot to run 32bit apps |
| 19:32.25 | wathek | abrotman, ok I'm going to see that |
| 19:32.29 | wathek | thank you so much abrotman |
| 19:32.37 | abrotman | don't thank me til it works :) |
| 19:33.06 | abrotman | wathek: http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id292205 |
| 19:33.14 | sisterdelirious_ | abrotman: i'm getting the terminology wrong again trying to do the update. su aptitude update and su apt-get install update don't work. what is the format for typing the request for an upgrade, again? sorry I'm such an idiot. |
| 19:33.31 | wathek | abrotman, yes I got it |
| 19:33.31 | f8l | Empis: How's your installation? |
| 19:33.31 | wathek | ;) |
| 19:33.33 | wathek | thank you |
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| 19:34.33 | abrotman | sisterdelirious_: you use 'su' by itself .. which then gives you a # prompt .. you will probably want setup sudo then .. but you then with that # prompt use 'aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade' |
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| 19:34.42 | f8l | sisterdelirious_: That's why we wanted you to use su alone. Once used you don't need to use it again until you close the terminal. |
| 19:36.04 | abrotman | wathek: FWIW, there is also a #debian-amd64 on irc.oftc.net |
| 19:36.23 | sisterdelirious_ | hmmmm. iget a slew of errors. did su alone, authenticated, got the prompt. Did an exact paste 'aptitude update && aptitude full-update' and got 'aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade' |
| 19:36.24 | wathek | abrotman, ah great |
| 19:36.40 | abrotman | sisterdelirious_: without the quotes |
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| 19:37.02 | sisterdelirious_ | then i did su again, then did just "aptitude update" no quotes and got like several pages of stuff like: E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)' |
| 19:37.13 | abrotman | sisterdelirious_: because you have synaptic open ? |
| 19:37.21 | project2501a | most likely |
| 19:37.29 | project2501a | kilall -TERM synaptic |
| 19:37.34 | abrotman | wtf ... |
| 19:37.34 | sisterdelirious_ | ok. trying again. |
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| 19:38.24 | sisterdelirious_ | ok. that time it looks like it did something. |
| 19:39.17 | f8l | sisterdelirious_: Wait. You already have synaptic. There's no need to use APT nor Aptitude now. |
| 19:39.35 | sisterdelirious_ | ok. so i found a little debian pdf file with 100 most used commands or whatever... but don't have a pdf viewer program. how do i get one? |
| 19:39.37 | project2501a | yes there is |
| 19:39.45 | project2501a | let him learn the command line |
| 19:39.54 | project2501a | sisterdelirious_: are you running gnome? |
| 19:40.03 | f8l | sisterdelirious_: Install epdf. |
| 19:40.12 | sisterdelirious_ | project2501a: I'm running debian light so i think its lxde |
| 19:40.18 | project2501a | ah |
| 19:40.53 | abrotman | sisterdelirious_: aptitude install evince |
| 19:41.00 | abrotman | or use synaptic to install it |
| 19:41.02 | project2501a | gnome has its own documnent reader. sorry, i do not have lxde installed. but if you search the packages for pdf | grep -i reader i am sure you will find something. |
| 19:41.15 | f8l | sisterdelirious_: Debian Light? You mean Lenny? |
| 19:41.18 | sisterdelirious_ | ok, it couldnt find epdf but is installing evince now. |
| 19:41.25 | project2501a | does not evince require gkt+ ? |
| 19:41.48 | sisterdelirious_ | f8l i assume lenny because that's what it was asking for. All I know from my download and burn of cd process is taht it is Debian 5.0.5 Light |
| 19:42.02 | f8l | sisterdelirious_: Ah. It's epdfview. Sorry for mistake. |
| 19:42.08 | sisterdelirious_ | the default home screen looks like it says LXDE although that could just be a graphic and not an X |
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| 19:42.22 | project2501a | it could be worse |
| 19:42.25 | project2501a | it could be ubuntu |
| 19:42.30 | f8l | sisterdelirious_: Where did you get that CD? |
| 19:42.34 | sisterdelirious_ | f8l no worries. |
| 19:42.52 | sisterdelirious_ | project2501a: i have had 3 weeks of the 9th level of hell with ubuntu |
| 19:42.58 | sisterdelirious_ | f8l i made it |
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| 19:43.27 | f8l | sisterdelirious_: But you had to get an image to do so. Where is it from? |
| 19:43.34 | sisterdelirious_ | went on a hunt for light xfce or lxwhatever versions of linux when i realized my intel 845g chip was going to make ubuntu a nightmare forever or until they release a new version |
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| 19:45.30 | sisterdelirious_ | i'm about 90% sure from debian.org. the other 10%s ays it could have come from linuxtracker.org |
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| 19:48.04 | f8l | sisterdelirious_: I think that this 10% is right. Or you've mistaken with Ubuntu Light, which also ships with LxDE. |
| 19:48.07 | Runeg | If I have multiple external USB drives connected, how can I force them to pick up the same /dev/sd* device? I plan on mirroring two of the 4 attached. |
| 19:48.21 | Runeg | As it stands on reboot they change /dev/sd* mounts |
| 19:48.41 | sisterdelirious_ | f8l: the file i downloaded di not say "light" but the version I installed when given the option during the install process, was "light" |
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| 19:49.11 | oskie_ | is there a tool in debian that combines traceroute and ping? i.e. one that will ping each hop to determine which one drops packets? |
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| 19:49.30 | abrotman | oskie_: mtr |
| 19:49.47 | f8l | sisterdelirious_: Oh dear. Last time I've installed Debian was three years ago. Looks like things have changed. A lot. |
| 19:49.53 | oskie_ | abrotman: great, thanks! |
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| 19:51.26 | f8l | sisterdelirious_: I assume this was a xfce+lxde disk. Maybe the option was to choose between the two. I don't know. Both are quite light though. |
| 19:51.49 | amphi | xfce's claims to lightness are perhaps exaggerated |
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| 19:52.03 | sisterdelirious_ | ok. so, this install of debian is very very light and has very little bloat. aka, no idea how to do basic things like access nas. |
| 19:52.31 | sisterdelirious_ | f8l yes, this is a xfce&lxde disk. i chose lxde. either one i'd probably be just as confused because i'm new to both. |
| 19:52.50 | sisterdelirious_ | and, i'm new to linux so although i have a few weeks familiarity with gnome via ubuntu hell, i'm just plain new altogether. |
| 19:53.03 | abrotman | !tell sisterdelirious_ about grounding |
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| 19:54.46 | sisterdelirious_ | hmmmm that didnt seem to do anything at least from this side of the house |
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| 19:55.41 | f8l | sisterdelirious_: You should have get a private message from dpkg. |
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| 19:56.16 | sisterdelirious_ | nope. does it matter that i'm using webchat? |
| 19:56.31 | f8l | sisterdelirious_: Maybe. |
| 19:56.45 | sisterdelirious_ | ok, now that i have synaptic i'll just get quassel or xchat and be back. |
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| 19:57.46 | f8l | sisterdelirious_: quassel does not suit LXDE well. |
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| 19:58.01 | sisterdelirious_ | open to suggestions... |
| 19:58.12 | sisterdelirious_ | pidgin maybe? |
| 19:58.39 | f8l | sisterdelirious_: Xchat will be good. |
| 19:58.57 | tbsaunde | does anybody have a recommendation for a java byte code disassembler? |
| 19:59.21 | f8l | sisterdelirious_: Pidgin is not a real IRC client, though is quite close. |
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| 19:59.40 | amphi | sisterdelirious_: irssi suits everything (especially gnu screen ;) |
| 20:00.08 | sisterdelirious_ | f8l: i use a program for the mac based on pidgin, adium, which i like quite a bit. but, no idea what qualifies as an irc client and what doesn.t... |
| 20:00.22 | abrotman | xchat is fine .. |
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| 20:01.49 | f8l | amphi: I'd not recommend a non-gui app for a newbie. ;-) |
| 20:02.14 | amphi | f8l: oh, a newbie? probably not |
| 20:02.27 | f8l | amphi: I meant sisterdelirious_ . |
| 20:02.30 | amphi | it takes a while to acquire the taste for ncurses ;) |
| 20:02.32 | tbsaunde | f8l: it also depends how much they want to learn |
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| 20:02.51 | amphi | tbsaunde: and how deep an end they care to be thrown into |
| 20:03.10 | tbsaunde | amphi: true |
| 20:03.31 | sisterdelirious_ | tbsaunde: I want to learn a lot. And, although I truly am a newbie to linux, i'm not a newbie to computing, being on a computer and using terminal chats since maybe 1992? that said, I want first and foremost to get my system working. THEN, I can work on learning the phd program in linux. |
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| 20:03.42 | f8l | amphi: And how much time they are ready to spend swearing before using. ;-) |
| 20:03.52 | amphi | f8l: heh |
| 20:03.53 | sisterdelirious_ | Excuse me, that was meant to say nineteen EIGHTY two. |
| 20:04.07 | amphi | sisterdelirious_: irssi is a terminal irc client, FWIW |
| 20:04.18 | sisterdelirious_ | f8l: I'm totally on your page. |
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| 20:04.47 | tbsaunde | sisterdelirious_: yes, irssi is fairly easy to use and good but xchat is probably a little simpler |
| 20:04.48 | sisterdelirious_ | amphi: thanks. |
| 20:05.12 | alcy | folks, any clue why debian (amd64) is seeing only 4GB of memory while there is actually 6 GB (on a core i7 rig) ? |
| 20:05.33 | amphi | sisterdelirious_: xchat is a popular gui irc client that uses the same interface library as lxde's bits (gtk) |
| 20:05.56 | f8l | alcy: Try with a bigmem kernel. |
| 20:06.02 | MrRenegade | alcy maybe it has something to do with the fact your running an AMD built os on Intel :) |
| 20:06.24 | tbsaunde | f8l: it should just work with amd64 |
| 20:06.27 | amphi | MrRenegade: no |
| 20:06.55 | tbsaunde | alcy: are you sure its and amd64 kernel? what does uname -a say? |
| 20:07.00 | abrotman | f8l: no bigmem in amd64 |
| 20:07.11 | abrotman | alcy: what is uname -r ? |
| 20:07.32 | alcy | tbsaunde, abrotman: 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
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| 20:07.42 | abrotman | alcy: how much does the BIOS see ? |
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| 20:08.05 | alcy | abrotman: 6GB |
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| 20:08.30 | sisterd_ | ok |
| 20:08.39 | abrotman | alcy: you're sure about that? |
| 20:08.43 | andares | hey, how do I set gdm to start a different window manager? |
| 20:09.06 | sisterdelirious_ | alright, that's me as sisterd_ so will check out from here in the web version.... |
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| 20:09.40 | andares | also why does debian seem to have like no documentation post-install? |
| 20:09.45 | sisterd_ | okidoki... wanna try that file thingy whatever again now that i'm on xchat? |
| 20:09.47 | alcy | abrotman: yup. I'll do a reboot again to check again though. all the dimms were present in the bios settings |
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| 20:10.01 | alcy | and post |
| 20:10.17 | abrotman | alcy: the next step would be to look through dmesg .. but please double check the bios |
| 20:10.32 | drokmed | andares: all docs in /usr/share/doc/* |
| 20:10.40 | tbsaunde | sisterd_: what are you trying to do? |
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| 20:11.01 | sisterd_ | tbsaunde: someone tried to send me some sort of file before and because i was on the chat via a webirc it didnt come to me |
| 20:11.11 | sisterd_ | i dont' know what command they used, just taht it didnt work. |
| 20:11.24 | f8l | !tell sisterd_ about grounding |
| 20:11.39 | abrotman | already did that ... |
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| 20:12.06 | sisterd_ | ok, i still don't see anything other than the !tell command itself. so if a file or a new window or a private chat or something is meant to open, it doesnt. |
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| 20:15.21 | alcy | abrotman: Memory: 4044508k/5242880k available (3075k kernel code, 1057732k absent, 140640k reserved, 1879k data, 584k init) |
| 20:15.39 | abrotman | i thought you said it was 6GB? |
| 20:15.57 | alcy | abrotman: yes, ? this is getting strange |
| 20:16.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | sisterd_, if that's xchat, a new tab should have opened |
| 20:16.52 | abrotman | alcy: what did the BIOS say ? |
| 20:17.10 | patriick | guise |
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| 20:17.23 | patriick | how to install X and get ratpoison working on debian netinstall |
| 20:17.30 | alcy | abrotman: was doing a dmesg. will do a reboot now. |
| 20:17.55 | abrotman | patriick: aptitude install ratpoison xorg |
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| 20:18.10 | patriick | i already installed ratpoison tho -_______________-- |
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| 20:18.36 | patriick | abrotman: ok installin xorg now |
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| 20:26.54 | svklk | hi all |
| 20:27.02 | svklk | i'm trying to install monit |
| 20:27.11 | svklk | i added it as an entry to /etc/inittab as it describes here: http://mmonit.com/monit/documentation/monit.html#init_support |
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| 20:27.37 | svklk | but when i run "telinit q" i get the following error |
| 20:27.38 | svklk | telinit: /dev/initctl: No such file or directory |
| 20:27.50 | svklk | does anyone know what might be going on? |
| 20:27.53 | abrotman | it's already a package in debian |
| 20:28.36 | svklk | abrotman: good point, i can try that |
| 20:28.54 | jhutchins_lt | svklk: Are you running it on a vm? |
| 20:29.55 | svklk | jhutchins_lt, i think i am ; this is on a dreamhost private server and i'm guessing they use vms |
| 20:30.18 | jhutchins_lt | Might explain the absence of initctl. |
| 20:30.43 | jhutchins_lt | svklk: Or possibly it's a shared host - are you allowed to reboot it? |
| 20:31.11 | svklk | jhutchins_lt: yep |
| 20:31.11 | patriick | ok after i install xorg then wot |
| 20:31.23 | patriick | i typed in X and now im stuck at a blank screen XD |
| 20:31.29 | jhutchins_lt | svklk: Very odd. You are root? |
| 20:31.47 | svklk | jhutchins_lt: yep i am root |
| 20:32.16 | svklk | i think i'll try abrotman's idea of just getting the package and seeing if that installs to inittab |
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| 20:32.25 | svklk | i want the latest version from the sid repositories |
| 20:32.25 | jhutchins_lt | svklk: You're probably going to have to talk to the dreamhost people and find out why initctl isn't present. |
| 20:32.40 | svklk | jhutchins_lt: that's a great idea, i can do that right now |
| 20:32.41 | abrotman | svklk: use the one for your version of debian |
| 20:32.50 | jhutchins_lt | svklk: Because shiney is more important than working? |
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| 20:33.01 | jhutchins_lt | shiny |
| 20:33.04 | svklk | abrotman: i'm running etch, and the monit version for that is really old |
| 20:33.13 | abrotman | wtf .. no one should be running etch |
| 20:33.18 | svklk | jhutchins_lt: the version of monit for sid is stable |
| 20:33.26 | svklk | abrotman: lol, i know...dreamhost configuration |
| 20:33.30 | jhutchins_lt | svklk: What makes you think so? |
| 20:33.33 | abrotman | would be getting a new host |
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| 20:33.48 | paranoidphreak | hi everybody, i had installed squeeze on my laptop around the time it got frozen and i had created an image right after but when i upgrade to the latest packages and restart the computer, i only see a black screen when the gui login page suppose to appear (i tried ctrl+alt+f1 to get command line but it didn't work); so, i reloaded the image i had created earlier. i've tried this 3-4 times weeks apart and same issue but i had copied my exact lapto |
| 20:33.48 | paranoidphreak | p copy of squeeze on to my desktop using "gparted" and installed the updates on that system (about 500mbs worth) and had no problems; i'm assuming this to be an issue with my laptop |
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| 20:34.12 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: Maybe somebody needs to have a word with dreamhost about telling people they're getting a real debian server when they're getting a very strange version of etch. |
| 20:34.30 | svklk | jhutchins_lt: i saw the version on this page (http://packages.debian.org/sid/monit) and it matches the latest stable version of monit on their page |
| 20:34.39 | svklk | jhutchins_lt: is that valid reasoning lol |
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| 20:35.14 | jhutchins_lt | paranoidphreak: Current version of xorg on squeeze does that with some Intel chipsets, possibly others as well. |
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| 20:35.47 | jhutchins_lt | svklk: What they consider stable and what Debian considers stable may mean different things. |
| 20:36.18 | jhutchins_lt | paranoidphreak: They've supposedly just fixed the bugs upstream; currently waiting for it to trickle down. |
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| 20:36.57 | jhutchins_lt | !tell svklk about ssb |
| 20:37.06 | jhutchins_lt | svklk: Don't just install the sid package. |
| 20:37.08 | paranoidphreak | jhutchins_lt: so.....i guess i'm stuck wih this issue till a later date |
| 20:37.18 | simonrvn | !sns |
| 20:37.19 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 20:37.19 | paranoidphreak | jhutchins_lt: thanks |
| 20:37.23 | jhutchins_lt | paranoidphreak: Yeah, I just went back to lenny. |
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| 20:38.01 | jhutchins_lt | paranoidphreak: It might be worth investigating your particular chipset though, could be a completely different issue. Some people were able to fix it by disabling KMS or framebuffer. |
| 20:38.48 | jhutchins_lt | etch + sid - Good Times! |
| 20:38.52 | paranoidphreak | jhutchins_lt: i can't go back to lenny because after i got my laptop repaired from the vendor, my system stopped supporting lenny |
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| 20:39.40 | paranoidphreak | jhutchins_lt: oh k....i'll give it a try |
| 20:40.31 | GhostlyDeath | Hello, I have a bridge setup in /etc/network/interfaces with eth0 attached to a bridge vmbr0, OpenVZ containers are attched to vmbr0 also. Every container can access any part of the network available but the host of it which also contains the bridge cannot use the network at all. Is there a way to fix this? |
| 20:40.47 | alcy | abrotman: badly inserted memory stick ( I hope !). The rig was recently in transit, might have caused it. |
| 20:40.59 | abrotman | alcy: so the BIOS didn't see it all? |
| 20:41.43 | jhutchins_lt | paranoidphreak: With the exception of a few newer video cards, lenny can be made to support most hardware. |
| 20:41.51 | patriick | ermm |
| 20:41.56 | alcy | abrotman: yeah. took em all out, found the culprit, fixed it. everything's fine, thanks. ;) |
| 20:41.57 | patriick | how to startt ratposon in X |
| 20:42.05 | patriick | i tried X ratpoison nothing works |
| 20:42.11 | abrotman | alcy: see! it was a hardware issue :) |
| 20:42.38 | alcy | abrotman: yeah, should have guessed better. Just that this rig's been so nice to me, didn't expect it to give me a hiccup ! |
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| 20:42.52 | jhutchins_lt | patriick: Not many ratpoison users around, you'll have to consult the docs. |
| 20:42.52 | GhostlyDeath | The host system asks who's at 10.20.40.1 and 10.20.40.1 responds with the MAC address but doesn't seem to get the message at all. Wireshark on the host system does show it going through the ethernet device however |
| 20:43.13 | alcy | abrotman: or rather, shouldn |
| 20:43.42 | alcy | s/shouldn/shouldnt have second guessed debian ! sorry :P |
| 20:44.16 | abrotman | !sorry |
| 20:44.16 | dpkg | Don't be sorry...but if you ever go against the Debian Family again... |
| 20:44.18 | GhostlyDeath | Well, vmbr0 recieves the ARP replies but eth0 sends out the ARP requests |
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| 20:45.47 | paranoidphreak | jhutchins_lt: i don't know.....it gave me a kernel panic error when i tried installing lenny after getting my system repaired and then i gave up trying to install lenny |
| 20:46.28 | jhutchins_lt | paranoidphreak: kmuto would probably deal with the problem if it was a kernel/hardware issue. |
| 20:46.40 | paranoidphreak | jhutchins_lt: i had moved to ubuntu temporarily because of this |
| 20:47.47 | paranoidphreak | jhutchins_lt: thanks anyways.......i'll probably try to upgrade mid october then |
| 20:47.49 | jhutchins_lt | patriick: ratpoison faq suggests startx ratpoison |
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| 20:48.38 | GhostlyDeath | The ARP requests are sent out from eth0 using the bridge's MAC address and the bridge in the end recives the replies but it seems it ignores them all |
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| 20:49.26 | GhostlyDeath | Networking has worked before but it just suddently stopped working |
| 20:49.50 | patriick | jhutchins_lt: yep don't work, i give up |
| 20:50.20 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions ratpoison |
| 20:50.21 | judd | Package ratpoison on i386 -- etch: 1.4.0.dfsg-7; lenny: 1.4.3-1; sid: 1.4.5-2; squeeze: 1.4.5-2 |
| 20:50.39 | jhutchins_lt | patriick: You did install the debian package? |
| 20:50.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell paranoidphreak -about kmuto |
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| 20:50.50 | GhostlyDeath | So as a result, the host can't use the network at all |
| 20:50.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think he didn't know what you were talking about :) |
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| 20:51.03 | patriick | jhutchins_lt: got everything from the repository, guess i have to run startX ratpoison as root? |
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| 20:51.44 | paranoidphreak | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks |
| 20:52.04 | jhutchins_lt | patriick: Um, maybe. Doesn't seem like it would have a login manager though. I'd read the debian readme in /usr/share/docs/ratpoison |
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| 20:52.54 | jhutchins_lt | That's usually where they put the "Unlike the documentation and all other distributions, to make this work in Debian..." stuff. |
| 20:57.01 | p3rror | hello |
| 20:57.09 | andares | hey, what's a good login manager to use? |
| 20:57.16 | p3rror | well it seems something strange in my laptop |
| 20:57.19 | abrotman | !dm |
| 20:57.20 | dpkg | DM means Display Manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session. <xdm>, <gdm>, <kdm>, <wdm>, pdm, login.app and <slim> are all examples of display managers. Ask me about <nodm> if you want to disable the DM. Or Debian Maintainer: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMaintainer |
| 20:57.20 | andares | I like gdm well enough, but I don't want to use gnome. |
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| 20:58.16 | andares | hm. |
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| 20:58.46 | jhutchins_lt | andares: What wm do you use, if any? |
| 20:59.10 | alcy | I am getting a hash sum mismatch error on apt-get update, mirror issue ? |
| 20:59.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | so what hinders you to use gdm, but not gnome? |
| 20:59.23 | andares | jhutchins_lt: right now I use awesome as a window manager with gnome, but I'm thinking of dropping gnome since I don't use it very often. |
| 20:59.26 | jhutchins_lt | alcy: Could be a bad file at that particular mirror. |
| 21:00.41 | alcy | jhutchins_lt: alright, thanks. |
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| 21:01.42 | jhutchins_lt | Hm, I thought I'd heard of awesome wm, but http://xwinman.org/others.php doesn't seem to know about it. |
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| 21:04.47 | jhutchins_lt | freedesktop knows. |
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| 21:05.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | or just use apt-cache show awesome... |
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| 21:06.15 | unkmar | http://pastebin.com/bRf8GK1T |
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| 21:09.45 | jhutchins_lt | !tell unkmar about udev |
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| 21:11.46 | unkmar | jhutchins_lt: it only mounts root in readonly. |
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| 21:12.22 | unkmar | and even then only after I picked a kernel 2 version back from the newer and default. |
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| 21:13.58 | unkmar | /dev/sda1 on / type ext3 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro) |
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| 21:14.58 | unkmar | am I suppose to ignore this readonly and just force it through and pray for the best? |
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| 21:17.55 | jhutchins_lt | unkmar: What release and kernel are you on? |
| 21:18.27 | unkmar | This is a result of trying to upgrade from 8.04 to 10.04. |
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| 21:19.47 | unkmar | 2.6.24-27-generic. Anything newer and it kernel panics. |
| 21:20.09 | abrotman | unkmar: please go to #ubuntu for support, this channel does not support ubuntu |
| 21:20.09 | unkmar | oh, and I lose echo after my first command is issued. |
| 21:20.22 | abrotman | freaking wasting jhutchins_lt's time .. not nice |
| 21:20.26 | unkmar | crap, that explains why I got a response. |
| 21:20.34 | unkmar | I thought I had gone to ubuntu. |
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| 21:21.19 | unkmar | #debian has always been helpful, #ubuntu has flat out ignored me today. Sorry about that. |
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| 21:22.41 | jhutchins_lt | is off ubuntu sniper duty today. |
| 21:23.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 21:26.08 | sid3k | hi |
| 21:26.25 | sid3k | I'm getting error for this line of a shell script: mocinf='â«' $(mocp -i|grep Artist| sed 's/Artist: //') '-' $(mocp -i|grep SongTitle| sed 's/SongTitle: //') '|' |
| 21:26.57 | sid3k | bash returns "command not found" error with a song name |
| 21:26.59 | unkmar | trust me. You responding will reflect well when I report the lack of support I got on IRC from the ubuntu bunch on my local LUG. |
| 21:27.21 | p3rror | why i find acer usb device on a HP laptop |
| 21:27.29 | unkmar | Which is likely to be reported in the next hour. |
| 21:27.30 | sid3k | any ideas? |
| 21:27.36 | unkmar | p3rror: why? |
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| 21:27.58 | d_v | hi guys |
| 21:28.25 | unkmar | p3rror: companies tend to use whatever cheap chips they can get their hands o.... Screen erro. |
| 21:28.31 | unkmar | their hands on. |
| 21:28.42 | sid3k | guys, any ideas about the simple question I've asked? |
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| 21:28.52 | p3rror | how can i disable a usb controller |
| 21:28.53 | abrotman | ask #bash ? |
| 21:29.06 | unkmar | sid3k: why would back know what to do with a song? |
| 21:29.32 | unkmar | sid3k: it isn't some magic genie that knows that program you want to Play the song with. |
| 21:29.40 | unkmar | *what program. |
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| 21:30.12 | unkmar | and even if it does. It would have to be set executable first for it to even try. |
| 21:30.30 | unkmar | and you would likely have to specify it by its path first. like. ./executethisfile |
| 21:30.35 | leoechevarria | hey guys, i don't know if i should write this here but i'll give a try: i have 2 drives. The first one with a ntfs partition used for data, the second one with a ext3 partition with debian at first and then a ntfs partition where winxp64 is installed. The thing is that winxp64 has its boot files on the other disk (the first one), as it needs the first partition to be ntfs. Now grub points to... |
| 21:30.37 | leoechevarria | ...the ntfs partition where windows is installed but it gives me 'lack of ntoskrnl' error. If i boot from the first disk, where winxp boot files are, winxp boots fine. How can i configure grub? |
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| 21:32.18 | sid3k | unkmar: the thing I'm trying to do is to assign return of a function to a string variable |
| 21:32.23 | sid3k | how can I do it? |
| 21:32.31 | abrotman | sid3k: why not ask #bash .. |
| 21:32.54 | magdalene | *skittles* into the room and crouches under the #debian_fern |
| 21:32.55 | sid3k | I'll |
| 21:32.57 | unkmar | sid3k: and return it to the shell? return it where? |
| 21:33.01 | abrotman | p3rror: probably be easier to disable it in the bios |
| 21:33.03 | magdalene | aaabrotman =) |
| 21:33.07 | magdalene | geh |
| 21:33.15 | p3rror | abrotman, aha |
| 21:33.18 | magdalene | have to kill smileys |
| 21:33.19 | sid3k | unkmar: does it matter? |
| 21:33.30 | p3rror | you think it is possible to disable specified port usb |
| 21:33.55 | unkmar | sid3k: if you have a create a variable such as, this=that. when the program finishes this will not equal that unless you use export this=that |
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| 21:34.35 | unkmar | sid3k: you have to use export or it dies with the script. |
| 21:34.41 | sid3k | unkmar: I just want to learn how can I solve the "not found " error |
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| 21:35.02 | sid3k | this is not what I'm talking about, I know about exports |
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| 21:35.51 | unkmar | sid3k: I tend to play my songs using vlc. vlc my_song.mp3 |
| 21:35.55 | sisterd1 | hi there. can't seem to login with my own nick but tahts besides the point. just installed debian 5.0.5 lenny with lxde. am getting things configured, but need help... what pkg do i need to install to be able to access network resources? |
| 21:36.04 | sisterd1 | ;didn't find information on this in the debian newbiew guide |
| 21:36.19 | abrotman | such as what ? |
| 21:36.39 | unkmar | sisterd1: what network resources? wired or wireless? |
| 21:36.44 | sid3k | unkmar: what the fuck are you talking about? |
| 21:37.05 | sisterd1 | abrotman: i have all my m mp3 and video files on a network storage device, and i cannot seemt o access anything not on myt hard drive. in other linux distros there was a "places" or "network" menu to select, but lxde does not have this |
| 21:37.09 | unkmar | 17:25:47 < sid3k> bash returns "command not found" error with a song name |
| 21:37.13 | sisterd1 | everything is wired. |
| 21:37.19 | unkmar | oh, sorry. |
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| 21:37.38 | abrotman | sisterd1: samba ? |
| 21:37.52 | sid3k | unkmar: yeah, I'm trying to assign return of a command to a string variable and bash tries to execute the return before I assign |
| 21:38.06 | sisterd1 | abrotman: i dont think it has to be samba,b ut it can be. I would do ftp, sftp, ssh, or smb or anything else, if I knew how to even get there |
| 21:38.20 | sid3k | is that hard to talk about a simple problem? |
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| 21:38.37 | [zaf]-Coral | Hi, I am just wondering how aptitudes scoring works. Could anybody point me to some docs on this so that I may have a better understanding :? |
| 21:38.39 | unkmar | I didn't read 2 lines prior. |
| 21:39.03 | abrotman | smb is samba |
| 21:39.13 | abrotman | [zaf]-Coral: really, there isn't any |
| 21:39.13 | sisterd1 | i was just including it in a list, not trying to be coy |
| 21:39.23 | [zaf]-Coral | Hmmm,m ok |
| 21:39.26 | unkmar | sisterd1: "ifconfig -a" does your network interface get listed as eth0 or eth1 ? |
| 21:39.45 | [zaf]-Coral | abrotman, do you have some understanding of how it works ? |
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| 21:40.07 | sisterd1 | sisterd@debian:~$ ifconfig -a |
| 21:40.07 | sisterd1 | bash: ifconfig: command not found |
| 21:40.08 | sisterd1 | sisterd@debian:~$ ipconfig -a |
| 21:40.08 | sisterd1 | bash: ipconfig: command not found |
| 21:40.08 | sisterd1 | sisterd@debian:~$ |
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| 21:40.33 | abrotman | [zaf]-Coral: in general .. higher is better .. but that may not always give you what you want |
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| 21:40.58 | abrotman | sisterd1: /sbin/ifconfig -a |
| 21:40.59 | [zaf]-Coral | Yeah, like now I am getting a score of -9950 |
| 21:41.04 | sisterd1 | not sure why that came out in so many lines it was just one post... |
| 21:41.06 | abrotman | [zaf]-Coral: put it in a pastebin |
| 21:41.07 | sid3k | unkmar: arright, sorry for the reaction |
| 21:41.09 | unkmar | sisterd1: sudo ifconfig -a or change to root first. |
| 21:41.16 | [zaf]-Coral | abrotman, it worries me as I have not seen it that low yet :-/ |
| 21:41.49 | sisterd1 | not sure what you want to see from the results...? |
| 21:41.55 | unkmar | sid3k: I'm trying to read what you were attemting. I see grep, that is search, and sed, that has a replace. You are building something. I'm trying to grock what you are creatking. |
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| 21:42.18 | unkmar | sisterd1: does it list eth0 or eth1? that is all I want to know. Yes or No. |
| 21:42.45 | abrotman | why wuld that matter? |
| 21:42.45 | sisterd1 | it lists eth0 so uh "yes it lists one or the other -= yes" |
| 21:43.15 | [zaf]-Coral | abrotman, well not much to it, I am using ubuntu, wanting to install gnome-shell, however it has a dependency that I need to install, namely libgjs0, |
| 21:43.33 | abrotman | then go ask #ubuntu .. have a nice day |
| 21:43.38 | [zaf]-Coral | lol |
| 21:43.41 | unkmar | good, does it give an IP address? inet addr: 192.168.x.x ??? |
| 21:43.49 | unkmar | sisterd1: good, does it give an IP address? inet addr: 192.168.x.x ??? |
| 21:44.11 | [zaf]-Coral | abrotman, but it isn't an ubuntu problem ... or not a problem at all, I am trying to get an understanding of aptitudes scoring |
| 21:44.12 | sisterd1 | yes, 192.168.1.5 |
| 21:44.17 | unkmar | [zaf]-Coral: let us know if #ubuntu is of any help. :P |
| 21:44.40 | sisterd1 | the fact that i'm even here in this room is testament that my networking is working |
| 21:44.47 | [zaf]-Coral | I came here first :-/ in hope that the peeps are smarter :P |
| 21:44.49 | unkmar | What network resources are you trying to use? you have an good IP, so I assume you have DHCP and have internet working with that system. |
| 21:45.27 | sisterd1 | yes. what i want is when i look at my file system to be able to see my network hard drives and access those file systems. i don't know how to do that in lxde... i can navigate to my home folder but i don't see how to access network drives. |
| 21:45.29 | unkmar | sisterd1: That merely states it works for the machine you are chatting with. My desktop is down. but I am using my laptop. |
| 21:45.30 | abrotman | then go ask #ubuntu .. have a nice day |
| 21:45.46 | sisterd1 | well, unkmar, i am using the machine i am wanting to configure, which was my point in saying that. |
| 21:45.47 | abrotman | [zaf]-Coral: your aptitude caame from Ubuntu, go to #ubuntu .. have a nice day |
| 21:45.55 | [zaf]-Coral | abrotman, Ubuntu is a debian decendant |
| 21:45.59 | abrotman | [zaf]-Coral: if you want support from #debian .. install Debian |
| 21:46.08 | [zaf]-Coral | I have debian |
| 21:46.11 | [zaf]-Coral | happy ? |
| 21:46.17 | abrotman | not funny .. go to #ubuntu |
| 21:46.27 | abrotman | !based on debian |
| 21:46.28 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 21:46.34 | unkmar | sisterd1: network hard drives. As in using Windows Shares? you need to look at samba. smbmount and such. |
| 21:46.56 | sisterd1 | I do not have a windows machine, unkmar. |
| 21:47.21 | sisterd1 | I do have a lacie hard drive, and a macintosh running osx. I am not interested in using SAMBA where i don't have to. I am interested in using WAHTEVER will actually get me access. |
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| 21:47.56 | sisterd1 | so, if i'm in lxde and i want to add a NAS to my file system, how do i do that? (with anything, smb or anthing else.. where is the command or the whatever to get me taht access?) |
| 21:48.02 | [zaf]-Coral | DEBIAN PACKAGE MANAGER ... OMG, this has nothing to do with ubuntu, I have a debian env, I use ubuntu more ... |
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| 21:48.11 | sisterd1 | click on a then b then c? or open a terminal and typ[e... what? |
| 21:48.13 | [zaf]-Coral | bla bla bla |
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| 21:48.23 | [zaf]-Coral | I just would like to understand aptitude better |
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| 21:48.27 | unkmar | sisterd1: I see, and um. I don't know how to do SAN or NAS yet. :( |
| 21:48.45 | abrotman | [zaf]-Coral: please ask #ubuntu, we do not support Ubuntu in this channel, you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being offtopic |
| 21:48.48 | sisterd1 | NAS as far as i know is just an acronym for a Network Acces STore, not a protoco.. |
| 21:48.51 | sisterd1 | protocol. |
| 21:49.04 | sisterd1 | So, the fact that my external hard drive is on the network is all i'm saying. not specifying a protocol... |
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| 21:49.39 | unkmar | sisterd1: but it uses some protocol for access. whether it is samba, sftp, ftp, scp or something I haven't thought of. |
| 21:49.58 | sisterd1 | I have a router, my osx, linux, router, and external hd are all hardwired on ethernet to eachtoher. Theys hould be visible to eachother,a nd in fact are. I can print from this linux machine,t o a printer that is usb attached tot he mac. Why I can't access the mac, though, is beyond me. |
| 21:50.09 | unkmar | sisterd1: It is most likely samba compatible for it to work with Winders. |
| 21:50.33 | sisterd1 | unkmar: I will use whatever protocol anyone advises me to. I just don't know how to from lxde... what is the command? or where is the menu item i'm looking for? |
| 21:50.48 | sisterd1 | what does windres have to do with anything? I dont' have a winders machine |
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| 21:51.10 | sisterd1 | let's assumei'm going to use samba. |
| 21:51.20 | unkmar | sisterd1: I assumed the NAS is winders compat since 90% of the induhviduals use it. therefore it would use Samba. |
| 21:51.23 | sisterd1 | where is the menu item I select to specify the smb path? |
| 21:51.41 | amphi | you could use nfs from the mac, I would think |
| 21:51.44 | jhutchins_lt | sisterd1: You can share the drive through the mac control panel. |
| 21:51.51 | sisterd1 | unkmar. I have a mac. and a linux box. i dont need to use smb, but WILL, if you have an idea what command i need to put in where? |
| 21:51.54 | unkmar | sisterd1: I don't know about using click this or that in linux. I'm cli driven. Which I would use smbmout. |
| 21:52.05 | jhutchins_lt | sisterd1: Not sure whether it uses nfs or samba, I'm pretty sure it has a samba option. (cifs actually) |
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| 21:52.37 | sisterd1 | the drive is shared, jhutchins_lt: i have been able to access everything on ubuntu but couldn't make ubuntu stable. This distro, debian, apperas stable. But i don't know how to make my network elements show up? |
| 21:52.38 | jhutchins_lt | sisterd1: Which system are you trying to access the drive from? lxde? |
| 21:53.01 | sisterd1 | the only thing that needs configured is this LXDE Debian installation. Everything else elsewhere on the nettwork is already set and shared and whatever |
| 21:53.05 | jhutchins_lt | sisterd1: k, wasn't sure which the question was. |
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| 21:53.31 | sisterd1 | i am using debian 5.0.5 with lxde. and i need to know how to tell it to look for my network? |
| 21:53.48 | jhutchins_lt | sisterd1: In Gnome and KDE, the file & web browser will handle smb protocol, but I don't think firefox does, not sure about the lxde file browser. |
| 21:54.03 | amphi | sisterd1: you might find pyneighborhood useful |
| 21:54.06 | sisterd1 | in ubuntu, if i wanted to mount a network d4ive, i would go to "places... network" and select from one of the network drives that would populate there. |
| 21:54.10 | sisterd1 | how do i do that in lxde? |
| 21:54.14 | jhutchins_lt | sisterd1: There are dedicated smb clients for browsing windows networks, but you can also mount a cifs share as root. |
| 21:54.33 | jhutchins_lt | sisterd1: Thats ubuntu running gnome? |
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| 21:54.37 | sisterd1 | ok. what is pyneighborhood and how do i get it? |
| 21:55.12 | jhutchins_lt | sisterd1: I don't know that there is an lxde application that handles smb browsing. |
| 21:55.23 | amphi | sisterd1: ]apt-cache show pyneighborhood' will tell you what it is |
| 21:55.25 | jhutchins_lt | sisterd1: aptitude show pyneighborhood |
| 21:55.35 | amphi | or that |
| 21:55.40 | jhutchins_lt | sisterd1: It will also allow you to install it. |
| 21:55.44 | sisterd1 | jhutchins_lt yes i was running ubuntu 10.04 lucid lynx which i believe defaults to Gnome. it had 3 menus as a default at the top left, applications, places, and system. Places...network would open a file system window with the network drives populated |
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| 21:56.12 | sisterd1 | in lxde i have a weird birds'foot icon which gives me some menu selections but nothing that gives network resource filesystem access |
| 21:56.13 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah, well, we wouldn't know for sure what desktop it was, or what tools Ubuntu offers on Gnome. |
| 21:56.32 | jhutchins_lt | sisterd1: Perhaps you would be more comfortable with Debian's Gnome? |
| 21:56.39 | jhutchins_lt | avoids all things gnome as a rule. |
| 21:57.09 | f8l | has just got rid of GDM. |
| 21:57.10 | jhutchins_lt | sisterd1: lxde is a bit advanced, requires some knowledge of tracking down obscure linuxisms. |
| 21:57.12 | sisterd1 | i dont need to be comfortable, i can learn. i just need network resource access, which i'm quite certain LXDE is capable of giving me |
| 21:57.31 | sisterd1 | i was told over and over again that i should use lxde or xfce because of my old old old pc |
| 21:57.37 | sisterd1 | of course they could be wrong. |
| 21:57.42 | jhutchins_lt | sisterd1: lxde does not have as full a suite of applications as Gnome. |
| 21:57.50 | sisterd1 | i dont need a full suite |
| 21:57.54 | sisterd1 | and i'm ok learning. |
| 21:58.10 | jhutchins_lt | sisterd1: smb browsing being a case in point. May I suggest a google search for lxde smb browser? |
| 21:58.12 | sisterd1 | no matter what distro i'm on, though, when i have a question or a learning curve, everyone seems to want to tell me to go switch to a different one? |
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| 21:58.27 | jhutchins_lt | sisterd1: Yeah, you'll get that a lot. |
| 21:58.44 | jhutchins_lt | sisterd1: smb browsers are NOT universal in Linux environments. |
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| 21:59.13 | sisterd1 | jhutchins_lt: I am a fairly accomplished computer person and i use ssh and sftp daily, so smb browsing per se isn't going to be a problem provided the distro i am using has it as an option. that's what I can't figure out.. does lxde provide network resource access atall? if n o, i'll swithc. if yes, i don't care if it's confusing.. i'll learn it. |
| 21:59.46 | sisterd1 | i have access to sftp, ssh, ftp, etc i do not NEED samba. that's just what everyopne assumes i need because they are used to people being coming from a windows environment.... |
| 21:59.47 | jhutchins_lt | sisterd1: I don't know. I know that smb browsing is something that's often left out of the file browsers. |
| 22:00.12 | jhutchins_lt | sisterd1: cifs is a cross-platform standard, and you're working cross-platform. |
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| 22:00.24 | sisterd1 | i won't post it hear, but aptitude show pyneighborhood errored out with unable to locate package |
| 22:00.47 | sisterd1 | so jhutchins_lt: how do i configure my lxde to use cifs? |
| 22:00.50 | jhutchins_lt | sisterd1: I no longer have access to a mac, and I don't run lxde, so I can't tell you if lxde has any way to browse a mac share whether it's nfs or cifs. |
| 22:00.52 | f8l | sisterd1: We got used to newbies, who want everything now. That's why we suggest easier solutions I think. |
| 22:00.57 | jhutchins_lt | sisterd1: no clue. |
| 22:00.59 | amphi | sisterd1: there's no reason to switch from lxde; just find a cifs/smb browser/mounter/whatever that you like; I suggested one |
| 22:01.00 | unkmar | sisterd1: based on what jhutchins_lt has said. I would suggest you use cifs. but I don't even know what it is. so.. Have fun learning. |
| 22:01.22 | sisterd1 | i would take an esier solution, but so far switching distros has not proven to be "easier" for anyone but the person making the recommendation.... certainly hasnt been easier on me. |
| 22:01.26 | jhutchins_lt | sisterd1: For all I know the lxde file browser doesn't support ANY network file browsing. |
| 22:01.57 | sisterd1 | ok. so if i want to install a file browser that i know supports network file browsing, would that be... THUNAR? or something else? |
| 22:02.19 | sisterd1 | I believe LXDE uses PCMAN, which is the one where i cant see any netowrk resources. What is the file browser used by gnome? that one i know worked. |
| 22:02.23 | sisterd1 | just don't know what it was |
| 22:02.24 | jhutchins_lt | sisterd1: The only one I KNOW supports smb or other network browsing is konqueror. |
| 22:02.34 | sisterd1 | ok. lemme give konqueror a shot. |
| 22:02.35 | unkmar | nautilus |
| 22:02.38 | jhutchins_lt | sisterd1: Epiphany? |
| 22:02.39 | f8l | sisterd1: I don't thing Thunar supports networks either. |
| 22:02.51 | sisterd1 | ok. |
| 22:02.56 | unkmar | sisterd1: epiphany is a web browser. nautilus is the file browser. |
| 22:03.02 | poprocks | nautilus would probably integrate better with lxde |
| 22:03.08 | jhutchins_lt | sisterd1: It's probably easier to do Gnome than to get konqueror, which would need most of KDE, and you've already used Gnome. |
| 22:03.12 | unkmar | konqueror is a kde thing. |
| 22:03.20 | sisterd1 | here's the ones i have read about. yell out if you hear one that supports cifs: thunar metacity pcman epiphany nautilus |
| 22:03.27 | jhutchins_lt | Ja, see? Clueless about Gnome/lxde. |
| 22:03.27 | poprocks | but if you're gonna run friggin' *Nautilus* in lxde, you might as well just use GNOME |
| 22:03.45 | jhutchins_lt | agrees with poprocks. |
| 22:03.51 | sisterd1 | i didnt use gnome long enough for having the experience to be meaningful enough to want to go with it. |
| 22:03.57 | jhutchins_lt | You're going to have to install most of it anyway. |
| 22:04.04 | sisterd1 | as i understand it, my old pc wants something thin/clean/light and gnome isn't that. |
| 22:04.23 | sisterd1 | ok. |
| 22:04.23 | jhutchins_lt | sisterd1: Still, it's a good way to get started, because it has most of the tools you'll expect and need without you having to go hunting every time you want to do something new. |
| 22:04.24 | poprocks | there used to be this little program called LinNeighborhood |
| 22:04.26 | unkmar | sisterd1: how thing? RAM? CPU? |
| 22:04.36 | sisterd1 | i have 256 RAM |
| 22:04.41 | poprocks | that did JUST smb browsing, and it was pretty handy... but that was a LONG time ago |
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| 22:04.57 | amphi | poprocks: pyneighborhood is a python/gtk2 rewrite thereof |
| 22:04.58 | astrojp | Is openjdk-6-jre the best way to get Java on Debian? |
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| 22:05.10 | amphi | but I might as well talk to the wind ;) |
| 22:05.11 | jhutchins_lt | sisterd1: One of the reasons lxde is light weight is that it doesn't include the kitchen sink. |
| 22:05.12 | unkmar | sisterd1: I was surprised how well gnome ran on a 256Mb Panasonic. around 1Ghz. |
| 22:05.26 | f8l | astrojp: I think so. |
| 22:05.38 | unkmar | sisterd1: the owner claimed it was much faster than the WinXP that had been on it prior. |
| 22:05.55 | mjmt | amphi: You can add a non-free APT repo and get Sun's. |
| 22:05.56 | amphi | unkmar: that's damning with faint praise ;) |
| 22:06.05 | sisterd1 | alright. hang on reading the lxde wiki to see if maybe pcman does have networking resources and we just don't klnow it. |
| 22:06.08 | xulf | fBI: it absolutely can |
| 22:06.10 | jhutchins_lt | unkmar: I wouldn't be surprized, XP with virus protection is pretty heavy. |
| 22:06.20 | sisterd1 | not that i'd necessarily know it reading it... |
| 22:06.48 | f8l | xulf: Are you talking to me? |
| 22:06.50 | unkmar | I didn't compare it to WinXP the previous owner did. I was shocked in comparison to my 1Gb 1.2Ghz running openbox. |
| 22:07.02 | jhutchins_lt | sisterd1: I'd give gnome a shot, turn off features and extras, see how it works for you, get the feel of how things are done. |
| 22:07.04 | amphi | f8l: trying to, it would seem ;) |
| 22:07.17 | amphi | xulf: poor font choice ;) |
| 22:07.27 | jhutchins_lt | Not all network filesystems are browsable (sshfs). |
| 22:08.15 | f8l | jhutchins_lt: For most there are FUSE programs that make them browseable. ;-) |
| 22:08.37 | jhutchins_lt | f8l: Mountable yes, browsable no. |
| 22:08.52 | jhutchins_lt | f8l: There isn't a share advertizing protocol for ssh (as far as I know). |
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| 22:09.19 | jhutchins_lt | smb/cifs browsing requires wins support. |
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| 22:09.44 | the_file | how do I join multiple .deb files?. |
| 22:09.52 | jhutchins_lt | the_file: You don't. |
| 22:09.57 | sisterd1 | ok searching finds me nothing. so, if i want to switch this install from lxde to gnome, can i do it without doing a whole re-install re-partition of my drive? |
| 22:10.07 | f8l | jhutchins_lt: You can always run ls and feed it into the program I think. |
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| 22:10.29 | jhutchins_lt | sisterd1: Yep, aptitude install gnome, don't even have to remove lxde, you can switch back and forth, lxde for speed, gnome for convenience. |
| 22:10.36 | unkmar | sisterd1: yeah. Install gnome desktop and choose it at the login/session window. |
| 22:10.42 | f8l | the_file: What do you mean by joining? |
| 22:11.01 | jhutchins_lt | f8l: Browsing in this context meaning being able to see available servers and shares. |
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| 22:11.20 | poprocks | sisterd1: and if you want to use nautilus for smb browsing within lxde, you can run "nautilus --no-desktop" |
| 22:11.29 | f8l | jhutchins_lt: Aah. |
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| 22:11.49 | the_file | f8l: I mean |
| 22:12.04 | the_file | is there a bash script that does that?. |
| 22:12.04 | the_file | making 15 debs into a huge one |
| 22:12.08 | jhutchins_lt | sisterd1: Once you have gnome installed, you can then do things like run gnome applications (nautilus) in lxde. |
| 22:12.20 | jhutchins_lt | the_file: That's not how it works. |
| 22:12.21 | f8l | the_file: What for? |
| 22:12.41 | the_file | simple |
| 22:13.03 | the_file | install a crap load of deps |
| 22:13.13 | f8l | the_file: You seem not to understand the idea of a package. |
| 22:13.19 | the_file | is there a way I can execute a deb file from command line?. |
| 22:13.42 | sisterd1 | poprocks: i get "bash: nautilus: command not found" |
| 22:13.44 | the_file | I kinda do |
| 22:13.50 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions prey |
| 22:13.52 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'prey' was found in i386. |
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| 22:13.59 | f8l | the_file: You can't execute it. You can install it at least. `dpkg -i $deb` |
| 22:14.01 | poprocks | sisterd1: you have to install it first - if you install gnome-desktop, you'll have nautilus |
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| 22:14.34 | xulf | the_file: you could just save the command that will install multiple packages.. you don't need to package the packages |
| 22:14.44 | the_file | I hate dpkg |
| 22:14.44 | the_file | or I don't know how to use it |
| 22:14.59 | jhutchins_lt | the_file: You're probably looking for aptitude then. |
| 22:15.07 | jhutchins_lt | the_file: Which is usually installed by default. |
| 22:15.10 | the_file | I had ALL the deps in one folder |
| 22:15.10 | the_file | what happened yesterday was I wanted to install an app |
| 22:15.20 | the_file | so I used dpkg -i wireshark_bla_bla.deb |
| 22:15.24 | f8l | the_file: I just told you how to use it... |
| 22:15.27 | sisterd1 | ok. installing gnome-desktop |
| 22:15.33 | abrotman | poprocks: sisterd1 is trying to keep a small/light system .. nautilus isn't good for that goal .. lxde has its own file manager .. sisterd1 shuld just mount the NAS in the fstab |
| 22:15.35 | the_file | it ALWAYS told me of some dep that I don't have |
| 22:15.55 | mjmt | abrotman: Agreed. Nautilus needs gconf, gnomevfs, gnome-settings-daemon all running. Just gnomevfs is at least half a dozen processes (I right now have 7, using > 20MB). |
| 22:15.56 | sisterd1 | ah, abrotman you are who i have been lookin for. |
| 22:16.03 | jhutchins_lt | the_file: Right. Not sure where in the wiki it explains this, but that's not how you manage software on a modern linux distro. |
| 22:16.03 | sisterd1 | ok, how do i mount in the fstab? |
| 22:16.05 | f8l | the_file: Why don't you use APT? |
| 22:16.07 | amphi | the_file: why not 'aptitude install wireshark' ? |
| 22:16.16 | the_file | don't have it |
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| 22:16.31 | amphi | the_file: don't have what? |
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| 22:16.37 | the_file | Im on a minimimal distro thats based on debian |
| 22:16.48 | the_file | it only has dpkg |
| 22:16.52 | amphi | the_file: ECHAN |
| 22:16.59 | jhutchins_lt | the_file: What you do is configure the package manager (apt) to use on-line sources of approved, tested versions of the packages. Then it's as simple as "aptitude install wireshark". Aptitude will find the package, find and resolve the dependencies, and everythign is installed. |
| 22:17.00 | the_file | but I can install the debs one by one |
| 22:17.00 | the_file | and wireshark did work |
| 22:17.00 | f8l | the_file: So you'll have to love it. |
| 22:17.03 | abrotman | sisterd1: i've been here the whole time :) |
| 22:17.04 | xulf | the_file: why apt-get |
| 22:17.08 | jhutchins_lt | Offs. |
| 22:17.43 | jhutchins_lt | the_file: Anything we tell you will be wrong for your system then, and if you follow our advice it will break it. Please ask for help from your distributions support channel. |
| 22:17.57 | f8l | the_file: `dpkg -i *.deb` But be sure that the directory contains only packages you want to install. |
| 22:18.00 | unkmar | xulf: why aptitude ;P |
| 22:18.01 | amphi | !comfort jhutchins_lt |
| 22:18.01 | dpkg | There, there, jhutchins_lt. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 22:18.11 | abrotman | sisterd1: install the smbfs package .. then figure out how to mount the remote filesystem |
| 22:18.14 | the_file | no not really |
| 22:18.18 | sisterd1 | abrotman: yes, but this is the first you mentioned it, so i'm just making a hard right turn to face you right now, because you you are speaking my language? |
| 22:18.25 | the_file | it won't break anything |
| 22:18.25 | the_file | by the way |
| 22:18.26 | abrotman | english! |
| 22:18.32 | jhutchins_lt | is off to deal with the real horseshit at the stable, had enough of the digital variety. |
| 22:18.39 | sisterd1 | not english, NAS mounts. |
| 22:18.40 | amphi | heh |
| 22:18.44 | jhutchins_lt | the_file: Yes, it sure as hell will. |
| 22:18.45 | the_file | why is kde4.5 labeled as unstable!? |
| 22:18.58 | xulf | the_file: I've been using debian for over 6 years and only installed programs like you are maybe 5 times |
| 22:19.04 | poprocks | kde 4.x in general should be labelled unstable... ::runs:: |
| 22:19.06 | the_file | jhutchins_it: won't |
| 22:19.14 | amphi | xulf: he's not running debian |
| 22:19.29 | amphi | the_file: please go to your distro's support channel |
| 22:19.37 | abrotman | sisterd1: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/165 .. roughly like that |
| 22:19.38 | the_file | xulf: you mean one by one?? |
| 22:19.57 | xulf | the_file: you don't know that you're even in the wrong channel man |
| 22:19.58 | the_file | will kde 4.5 be stable with debian anytime soon?. |
| 22:19.58 | the_file | I don't wana use kubuntu |
| 22:20.24 | sisterd1 | http://paste.debian.net/91718 |
| 22:20.33 | the_file | xulf: I would use debian as a desktop os |
| 22:20.44 | the_file | xulf: not other distro |
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| 22:21.00 | poprocks | sisterd1: do you have aptitude or synaptic running? |
| 22:21.11 | luckz | jhutchins_lt: doing it like http://achinghead.com/archive/83/installing-multiple-versions-python/ seemed to more or less work, what is supposed to break according to what you said? |
| 22:21.18 | sisterd1 | erg. yes, i have synaptic installing that damn gnome thing. |
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| 22:21.38 | sisterd1 | guess i have to wait till thats done, then uninstall it agian, then do the nas mount thing. |
| 22:21.45 | f8l | sisterd1: You can't use two package managers at the same time. |
| 22:21.47 | poprocks | is it downloading the packages or installing them? |
| 22:21.51 | jhutchins | The only thing more likely to destroy a system than mixing packages from different releases is mixing packages from different distributions. |
| 22:22.06 | poprocks | if it's still downloading the needed packages for gnome, should be safe to just cancel the process |
| 22:22.06 | sisterd1 | right now it is actually installing software. |
| 22:22.10 | poprocks | ah |
| 22:22.17 | jhutchins | the_file: dpkg does not work the same way on derivitives as it does on Debian - that's one of the things that makes them different! |
| 22:22.53 | the_file | jhutchins: thats good to know |
| 22:23.06 | jhutchins | !derivatives |
| 22:23.06 | dpkg | hmm... derivatives is <Knoppix>, <Ubuntu>, <Libranet>, <Corel>/<Xandros>, <Stormix>, <Progeny>, <Linspire>, <DamnSmallLinux>, <Kurumin>, <Agnula>, <Xebian> and many others, or see http://mako.cc/talks/20050418-customizing_debian/customizing_debian_slides/img1.html, or ask me about <dfd>, <cdd> |
| 22:23.19 | sisterd1 | hmmm. jhutchins that's a good point. might be helpful to newbies if it were clearer which packages are for which distros. (took me a few weeks to realize that anything with a "k" at the beginning of the name was a kde-only package. probably broke some installations with that right there a few times. |
| 22:23.34 | poprocks | reminisces about Corel Linux |
| 22:23.43 | sisterd1 | (took me a while to realize that having "ubuntu" meant you most likely had "gnome" too...) |
| 22:23.53 | poprocks | sisterd1: indeed |
| 22:24.01 | jhutchins | RPM is another common packaging system used by redhat, mandriva, suse, and yellowdog. yellowdog doesn't even run on i386. |
| 22:24.13 | the_file | shoulden't ubuntu be on that list of derivatives?. |
| 22:24.25 | jhutchins | sisterd1: You know debian .debs are debian because you download them from debian repos with apt. |
| 22:24.28 | f8l | the_file: It's there. |
| 22:24.29 | poprocks | the_file: 'tis, it's the 2nd on there |
| 22:25.19 | the_file | oww thats a graphic not fonts, I used the find function in my browser |
| 22:26.08 | jhutchins | The problem is that former windows users have the download-and-install mentaLity instead of package management. |
| 22:26.27 | sisterd1 | jhutchins, makes sense, but then i've been using .debs for my iphone using apt among other things for months and never knew that it related in any way to debian the linux distro |
| 22:26.35 | f8l | the_file: Or maybe it's a flash. |
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| 22:26.59 | the_file | f8l: http://mako.cc/talks/20050418-customizing_debian/customizing_debian_slides/img1.png |
| 22:26.59 | the_file | no its a graphic |
| 22:27.18 | sisterd1 | abrotman: that is the article that I came here looking to find. Thank you! |
| 22:27.27 | sisterd1 | that's just exactly what i was hoping to find. |
| 22:27.40 | sisterd1 | (re article 165) |
| 22:28.01 | poprocks | jhutchins: yep, in the Windows world, devs build their software once rather than having a zillion distro maintainers build it a zillion times... I wonder why that would possibly be more intuitive, other than the fact that it's what they're used to? |
| 22:28.32 | f8l | the_file: Ah, this. I thought you meant a dpkg factoid. I thought you were using a web client. |
| 22:29.20 | luckz | the_file: well it's on the image too :D |
| 22:29.33 | the_file | f8l: like elinks?. |
| 22:29.48 | luckz | the_file: #9 from the end is ubuntu |
| 22:30.05 | unkmar | makes like a protozoa and splits |
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| 22:31.20 | f8l | the_file: And how am I supposed to know what are you using to chat? Didn't even know elinks is capable of being an IRC client. ;-P |
| 22:31.44 | the_file | geez I hope the web devs have some sort of script that makes the image for them |
| 22:32.11 | the_file | f8l: command line allows virtual terminals..... |
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| 22:32.58 | f8l | the_file: Of course they do. Who wants to sort this amount of names? |
| 22:33.20 | the_file | not me |
| 22:33.46 | the_file | probly image magic plugin |
| 22:34.07 | f8l | the_file: I don't understand. You mean virtual terminals enable you to use a command line? |
| 22:34.36 | f8l | the_file: Or TeX. |
| 22:34.49 | the_file | f8l: guess what I mean by that was can have a command line irc in one vt |
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| 22:36.17 | f8l | the_file: You can even have more if you want. |
| 22:36.43 | encrypt | how can i get a copy of /etc/init.d/sendmail? ive tried reinstalling sendmail from apt-get but this file doesnt reappear |
| 22:36.48 | the_file | f8l: more of what?. |
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| 22:37.10 | the_file | encrypt: duno |
| 22:37.28 | f8l | the_file: More clients in a single terminal. |
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| 22:37.39 | mjmt | !give encrypt confmiss |
| 22:37.40 | dpkg | gives encrypt confmiss |
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| 22:37.44 | mjmt | Does that work? |
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| 22:38.36 | the_file | f8l: how?. |
| 22:38.36 | the_file | f8l: what what?. |
| 22:38.45 | mjmt | !give mjmt confmiss |
| 22:38.45 | dpkg | gives mjmt confmiss |
| 22:38.47 | Tramp | mjmt: no. it's !tell <nick> -about <factoid> |
| 22:38.54 | mjmt | Tramp: Ah thanks. |
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| 22:39.00 | encrypt | its a init script :/ |
| 22:39.04 | encrypt | not conf |
| 22:40.23 | sweetpi | mjmt: reinstall sendmail-bin |
| 22:40.34 | the_file | does debian have something like ubuntu's propriatary dirver program? Something like this: http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/5391/restricted1fi9.jpg |
| 22:40.45 | the_file | ? |
| 22:40.50 | f8l | the_file: With screen (or screenie, or dtach) you can divide your VT into pieces each of which can run a separate program. |
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| 22:42.10 | f8l | the_file: I don't think so. It's all about free software. |
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| 22:42.37 | themill | encrypt: init scripts are conffiles; /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 22:42.52 | the_file | f8l: don't get it, http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/5391/restricted1fi9.jpg is simply a tool to make it easier to install propriatary drivers in ubuntu debian, does lenny have sonething similar?. |
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| 22:43.45 | f8l | the_file: A non-free repo. |
| 22:44.12 | f8l | can't stand the view of 'Ubuntu Debian'. |
| 22:44.42 | the_file | oww |
| 22:45.01 | the_file | I think envy is similar to http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/5391/restricted1fi9.jpg |
| 22:45.21 | the_file | can't seem to find the main page |
| 22:45.39 | the_file | http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html |
| 22:46.14 | mjmt | ,versions nvidia-kernel-dkms |
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| 22:46.16 | judd | Package nvidia-kernel-dkms on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.24-4; sid/non-free: 195.36.31-4; experimental/non-free: 256.53-1 |
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| 22:46.40 | sweetpi | the_file: isnt that just a gui to install wireless firmware and video drivers? |
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| 22:47.08 | the_file | I guess |
| 22:47.20 | the_file | config free |
| 22:47.30 | konr | how can I set up my microphone? What program can I `aptitude install` to record? |
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| 22:47.38 | mjmt | ,versions dkms |
| 22:47.40 | judd | Package dkms on i386 -- lenny-backports: 2.1.1.2-2~bpo50+1; sid: 2.1.1.2-5; squeeze: 2.1.1.2-5 |
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| 22:48.48 | MarceloVaz | antônio nunes !! |
| 22:49.07 | konr | Pero Alvares! |
| 22:49.48 | mjmt | Captain James T Kirk! |
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| 22:50.49 | MarceloVaz | lol |
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| 22:52.11 | simonrvn | what are some ways i can rememdy a high io wait %? |
| 22:54.44 | encrypt | + |
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| 22:58.08 | sisterdelirious1 | hey guys i'm back again. |
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| 22:58.56 | sisterdelirious1 | when i try to apply changes to my synaptic package manager, I get the following error: E: Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 22:58.59 | sweetpi | simonrvn: less disk access and/or faster drives/controller :) |
| 22:59.18 | sisterdelirious1 | I have logged out and logged back in, running only the package manager, and authenticating, however it doesn't change that error |
| 22:59.30 | sweetpi | simonrvn: really though.. did you track down what processes are causing it? |
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| 23:01.31 | f8l | sisterdelirious1: The easiest way is to reboot. This makes sure you are not running any package manager. ;-) |
| 23:01.43 | sisterdelirious1 | ok. |
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| 23:02.37 | johnfg | Endeavored to build the openafs kernel modules for 2.6.32-bpo, but it failed. |
| 23:02.39 | simonrvn | the obvious. i'm after the former more, as we're broke most of the time.... |
| 23:02.41 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 23:05.56 | simonrvn | anything that a) makes the fucking box swap b) accesses its cache |
| 23:06.11 | simonrvn | the cache here is a web browser cache |
| 23:06.45 | simonrvn | probably doesn't help i have the swap on an LV with an old athlon ... |
| 23:07.09 | simonrvn | but even real partition-based swap caused this |
| 23:08.06 | simonrvn | sweetpi: the odd thing is that it didn't do this for a while after i moved everything to this new-ish drive |
| 23:08.39 | f8l | simonrvn: iotop is a nice tool that can help you discover the causes of disk usage. |
| 23:08.47 | the_file | Im looking for a tool that will allow me to run bench marks on a graphics card |
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| 23:09.45 | f8l | the_file: I know only glx-gears, but it's probably not what you want. |
| 23:09.46 | sweetpi | simonrvn: could have been an update that did you in though, so maybe not the drive/controller |
| 23:10.56 | simonrvn | well, i just saw tracker kick in again... |
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| 23:11.14 | sweetpi | the_file: not sure of tools to do it, but iirc phoronix has a distro built for it |
| 23:11.39 | simonrvn | stupid thing. nice tool, but man, the i/o |
| 23:12.05 | sweetpi | the_file: live cd i mean |
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| 23:12.45 | the_file | isn't there a way to decompile the propriatary drivers?. |
| 23:13.32 | f8l | the_file: Decompile? Even if it's possible it's illegal. |
| 23:13.41 | simonrvn | 'proprietary'; yes, there are. |
| 23:13.49 | the_file | ya but |
| 23:14.10 | the_file | suppose all the linux users had the source.... |
| 23:14.13 | simonrvn | legality is questionable, in some jurisdictions. |
| 23:14.21 | the_file | thers not much they could do about it, its like the pirabe bay lawsuits |
| 23:14.31 | the_file | *pirate |
| 23:14.40 | simonrvn | O_o |
| 23:14.53 | sweetpi | off-topic, illegal, and really... I know I wouldnt want to touch their crap disassembled code |
| 23:15.03 | the_file | but is it even possible to successfuly decompile it?. |
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| 23:15.19 | KayAteChef | in lieu of device documentation it might help to make a new driver |
| 23:15.37 | KayAteChef | but yeah the legal problem would make it messy |
| 23:15.43 | f8l | the_file: Compilation is a rather one way operation. |
| 23:16.09 | the_file | oww |
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| 23:16.56 | poprocks | even disassembling NES roms, where the program was written in pure assembly, is such a crapshoot |
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| 23:18.09 | nerdshark | ~/close |
| 23:18.11 | nerdshark | er |
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| 23:45.07 | NOMADICUS | Hello, I am trying to create a Debian usb installer with the debian-506-amd64-DVD-1.iso, debian-506-i386-DVD-1.iso, debian-506-i386-netinst.iso, debian-506-i386-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso, and debian-506-i386-kde-CD-1.iso images. It totals 11 GB or so. I also want to add a persistant feature rich and versatile, yet light weight, Debian recovery distro. What will I need to accomplish this? ... and ... |
| 23:45.26 | NOMADICUS | ... what Distro is optimum for recovery? |
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| 23:46.59 | purpleoptic | why do you need all those? :O |
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| 23:49.06 | sweetpi | !tell NOMADICUS about preseed |
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| 23:51.18 | sweetpi | NOMADICUS: combining preseeding and syslinux, you should be able to save space by using different preseed files |
| 23:51.22 | NOMADICUS | I am migrating to Debian from Ubuntu and I want to try out all the flavors. I also want to figure out how to make a cd that will instruct a bios that does not know how to boot from a usb load an os from the usb. How can I do that? |
| 23:52.05 | sweetpi | oh your talking live stufff, not installers |
| 23:53.35 | NOMADICUS | sweetpi: I want installers and live stufff. |
| 23:53.38 | sweetpi | NOMADICUS: iirc you can have grub installed on your hdd and instruct it to boot usb, Im not sure how to do it though |
| 23:54.05 | NOMADICUS | One recovery and one showcase. |
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| 23:55.00 | NOMADICUS | I will use the recovery to make repairs and do utility work, and the showcase to impress and wow people with Debian. |
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| 23:57.40 | NOMADICUS | sweetpi: Are you suggesting that iirc could be installed into a cd image? |
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| 23:59.47 | sweetpi | NOMADICUS: iirc = If I Recall/Remember Correctly |
