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| 00:01.04 | jhutchins_lt | !stable |
| 00:01.04 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or new versions introduced, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Lenny (5.0); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the current version (ask me about <security backports>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
| 00:03.19 | NOMADICUS | What is 5.06 . . . is that Lenny? |
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| 00:03.58 | jhutchins_lt | NOMADICUS: Yeah, perhaps think of it as lenny.6 |
| 00:04.45 | jhutchins_lt | There was someone asking earlier about why kde4.5 is "labeled as unstable". |
| 00:05.14 | jhutchins_lt | Well, it's in the unstable release, |
| 00:05.35 | jhutchins_lt | and it's not stable in that it performs inconsistently. |
| 00:05.42 | NOMADICUS | dpkg should state 5.06. |
| 00:05.42 | dpkg | NOMADICUS: i don't know |
| 00:06.05 | jhutchins_lt | NOMADICUS: Well, 5.0.4 was also lenny. |
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| 00:06.18 | jhutchins_lt | NOMADICUS: 5.0.x is generally going to be lenny. |
| 00:06.31 | jhutchins_lt | NOMADICUS: 6.x.x is squeeze, currently in testing. |
| 00:07.13 | jhutchins_lt | NOMADICUS: Note the topic: |
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| 00:08.01 | NOMADICUS | jhutchins_lt: Understood, but 5.0 is not as specific as 5.0.6. |
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| 00:08.17 | jhutchins_lt | NOMADICUS: Exactly. |
| 00:08.24 | davekong | what are ".in" files? |
| 00:08.33 | drokmed | case "${answer:0:1}" in |
| 00:08.34 | drokmed | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:08.34 | drokmed | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:08.34 | drokmed | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:08.45 | drokmed | oops wrong chat |
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| 00:09.55 | jhutchins_lt | davekong: context |
| 00:10.58 | jhutchins_lt | ? |
| 00:11.04 | davekong | jhutchins_lt: a file that has a bunch of @something@ in it that need to be set somehow |
| 00:11.06 | davekong | it is a bash script |
| 00:11.20 | jhutchins_lt | binary? |
| 00:11.25 | IncognitoMan | curious if anyone here has used elive.... |
| 00:11.39 | IncognitoMan | that or have setup e17 on debian |
| 00:11.46 | davekong | nah bash, plain text but with these symbols or whatever they are called that need to be replaced |
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| 00:12.23 | jhutchins_lt | davekong: Unlike that other OS, file extensions are more for human convenience. The key to the file type is the "magic word" which is the first eight (?) bytes. |
| 00:13.45 | davekong | jhutchins_lt: #!/bin/bash -e |
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| 00:14.18 | davekong | but it is not in a usable format and near the top is a comment # @configure_input@ |
| 00:14.51 | jhutchins_lt | Hm. Not a bash syntax I'm familiar with. Where did you get this interesting file? |
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| 00:16.21 | davekong | I will give you a link in just a sec |
| 00:17.24 | davekong | (already tried asking in the Arch channel and they were not of any help) |
| 00:17.28 | davekong | http://projects.archlinux.org/pacman.git/tree/scripts |
| 00:17.36 | davekong | looking at makepkg.sh.in |
| 00:17.48 | davekong | I tried make, make makepkg.sh.in |
| 00:18.01 | jhutchins_lt | davekong: Why aren't you asking in #suse? |
| 00:18.12 | davekong | I may do that |
| 00:18.29 | jhutchins_lt | davekong: I mean, just because we have answers doesn't mean we know anything about arch and what they do with their files. |
| 00:18.54 | davekong | I thought it was some general sort of thing |
| 00:19.34 | jhutchins_lt | davekong: I sholdn't do this, but I believe those are git control files that have to do with the versioning system; nonetheless that's pure speculation and the arch support channels are the appropriate place to ask. |
| 00:20.01 | jhutchins_lt | arch is not debian, they do things differently, and if you attempt to fix arch by applying advice found here it is very possible you will destroy your system. |
| 00:20.03 | davekong | jhutchins_lt: alright, thanks for the help |
| 00:20.33 | jhutchins_lt | Just because we have answers doesn't mean they're right for anything except actual debian. |
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| 00:22.01 | jhutchins_lt | I can't get a shop manual for my Kia. I've got one for my 3/4 ton Chevy truck though. If I follow it and torque my lug nuts to 120 lb-ft, what do you suppose will happen? |
| 00:22.12 | jhutchins_lt | Poioiooing! |
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| 00:28.58 | sweetpi | davekong: .in files are basically templates, for example ./configure can read Makefile.in to generate Makefile |
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| 00:48.46 | sisterd1 | low priority question: why does nickserv keep making me sisterd1 when I have sisterd registered to me? |
| 00:49.27 | dvs | sisterd1: sisterd is already logged on? |
| 00:50.33 | sisterd1 | that's weird, cus that's me and i'm only on one computer right now.ok. have to research that. |
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| 01:32.03 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
| 01:32.23 | ShapeShifter499 | how do I theme GDM3 ? |
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| 01:39.50 | jhutchins_lt | @...@...@ |
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| 01:50.35 | ShapeShifter499 | anyone? |
| 01:50.48 | ShapeShifter499 | I want to theme GDM3 D; |
| 01:51.07 | mjmt | ShapeShifter499: Is your google still broken? |
| 01:51.31 | ShapeShifter499 | I'm finding zilch on how to theme gdm3 |
| 01:51.53 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions gdm |
| 01:51.55 | judd | Package gdm on i386 -- etch: 2.16.4-1; lenny: 2.20.7-4lenny1; sid: 2.20.11-2; squeeze: 2.20.11-2 |
| 01:52.03 | mjmt | Funny, I found tonnes on it. Including GDM3 themes based on existing GDM3 themes based on existing GDM3 themes. |
| 01:52.16 | ShapeShifter499 | link? |
| 01:52.22 | jhutchins_lt | Hmm. Sounds like you're way outside the scope of debian. |
| 01:52.35 | ShapeShifter499 | ... |
| 01:53.39 | ShapeShifter499 | come on |
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| 01:54.19 | ShapeShifter499 | jhutchins, mjmt any of you two know how to theme gdm 3? if so PLEASE tell me |
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| 01:54.32 | ShapeShifter499 | or give me a link to how |
| 01:56.14 | jhutchins_lt | ShapeShifter499: No, we don't, it's not a part of current debian, and I do wonder what you've been smoking, |
| 01:56.45 | ShapeShifter499 | .... |
| 01:57.01 | jhutchins_lt | ShapeShifter499: Whatever got you onto this strange gdm3 planet is the only source of help you have. |
| 01:57.16 | ShapeShifter499 | I installed testing |
| 01:57.19 | mjmt | Just /installing/ GDM3 on Debian can break things badly. |
| 01:57.30 | ShapeShifter499 | it came like this |
| 01:57.49 | jhutchins_lt | No. testomg 9os 2.20.11-2 |
| 01:58.03 | jhutchins_lt | Geh . Keyboard shift. |
| 01:58.13 | ShapeShifter499 | I don't want to install regular gdm then find I can't login |
| 01:58.13 | jhutchins_lt | ShapeShifter499: |
| 01:58.14 | ShapeShifter499 | lol |
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| 01:58.34 | jhutchins_lt | What does uname -r return? |
| 01:59.21 | ShapeShifter499 | well I'm using a different kernel now then the one that came with testing |
| 01:59.47 | ShapeShifter499 | uname -r 2.6.35-3.dmz.1-liquorix-amd64 |
| 01:59.58 | jhutchins_lt | Feh. Another derivative user no doubt. No, testing is not stable and working, no, sid is not the lates fancy crap. |
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| 02:00.17 | jhutchins_lt | You are not running debian, pleas go away. |
| 02:00.17 | ShapeShifter499 | shapeshifter489 |
| 02:00.22 | jhutchins_lt | You are not running debian, pleas go away. |
| 02:00.41 | ShapeShifter499 | oops |
| 02:00.47 | ShapeShifter499 | and yes I am |
| 02:00.51 | jhutchins_lt | You are not running debian, please go away. (corrected for spelling) |
| 02:00.54 | jhutchins_lt | No, you're not. |
| 02:01.00 | ShapeShifter499 | .... |
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| 02:01.03 | ShapeShifter499 | I AM |
| 02:01.13 | ShapeShifter499 | how is that so hard to believe |
| 02:01.16 | jhutchins_lt | You are not running debian, please go away. |
| 02:01.48 | ShapeShifter499 | and how do you know that? |
| 02:01.52 | jhutchins_lt | You are not running debian, please go away. |
| 02:02.18 | alterasa | stop that please go away crap |
| 02:02.19 | jhutchins_lt | Dude, liquorix. |
| 02:02.21 | jhutchins_lt | You are not running debian, please go away. |
| 02:02.56 | ShapeShifter499 | its debian with a different kernel omg |
| 02:03.03 | jhutchins_lt | You are not running debian, please go away. |
| 02:03.11 | ShapeShifter499 | I installed from the squeeze install iso |
| 02:03.36 | jhutchins_lt | Nothing but debian stable is supported here, please go away. |
| 02:03.37 | alterasa | /part |
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| 02:04.13 | mjmt | ShapeShifter499: Sorry but it's not even possible to help you short of learning about the other software you're using in conjunction with Debian. And nobody's going to do that. (Would you?) |
| 02:04.23 | nae | when you're using encrypted lvm, how does the kernel initrd know that it needs to unlock the lvm? |
| 02:05.01 | ShapeShifter499 | so this channel doesn't help users of squeeze? |
| 02:05.13 | jhutchins_lt | You are not running debian, please go away. |
| 02:05.19 | NiLon | lol |
| 02:05.29 | NiLon | jhutchins_lt what's up with that trolling? |
| 02:05.30 | ShapeShifter499 | jhutchins, stfub |
| 02:06.19 | jhutchins_lt | ShapeShifter499: You are not running debian, please go away. |
| 02:06.26 | mjmt | ShapeShifter499: Fucked if I know, I help people with whatever I can, but not to the extent that I piss everybody else in a channel off by being off-topic. |
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| 02:08.14 | jpinx-eeepc | ShapeShifter499: are you trying to do this in maemo? |
| 02:08.37 | ShapeShifter499 | maemo? |
| 02:09.39 | jhutchins_lt | ShapeShifter499: Look, I'm sorry, but the chances are any solutions we give you are fucked by the fact that you're not actually on a debian system |
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| 02:10.19 | ShapeShifter499 | didn't even know what maemo was till I googled it |
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| 02:10.32 | ShapeShifter499 | no I'm not on maemo I'm on debian |
| 02:10.36 | ShapeShifter499 | debian 6.0 |
| 02:10.38 | jhutchins_lt | ShapeShifter499: There is actuall a good chance, given the last five people I tried to help who turned out not to be actually running debian, that the advice we could give you would destroy your system, |
| 02:10.42 | ShapeShifter499 | I'M ON DEBIAN |
| 02:10.47 | ShapeShifter499 | DEBIAN OKK |
| 02:11.04 | ShapeShifter499 | JEEZ jhutchins |
| 02:11.07 | jhutchins_lt | No, you're not. |
| 02:11.31 | jhutchins_lt | You're on a system derived from debian, and the differences are critical. |
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| 02:11.50 | jpinx-eeepc | ShapeShifter499: pastebin the output of uname -a and cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 02:13.00 | jhutchins_lt | jpinx-eeepc: Curious, what are your time coordinates? I'm uct-5 ... for a couple o weeks. |
| 02:13.07 | ShapeShifter499 | http://pastebin.com/kdphBEay |
| 02:13.15 | ShapeShifter499 | there |
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| 02:13.34 | ShapeShifter499 | its just debian with a different kernel |
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| 02:15.01 | jhutchins_lt | Wierd, it looks like a kernel substitution on a normal Debian system - which means all support is off. |
| 02:15.05 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell ShapeShifter499 about liquorix |
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| 02:15.50 | ShapeShifter499 | omg |
| 02:15.53 | ShapeShifter499 | really |
| 02:15.54 | jpinx-eeepc | ShapeShifter499: I hope the message from dpkg is clear enough for you |
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| 02:16.03 | nae | it was mentioned earlier that installing gdm3 on debian could cause problems. i'm running testing and it comes with gdm3. it seems to be working okay |
| 02:16.25 | ShapeShifter499 | nae: do you know how to theme gdm3? |
| 02:16.51 | jhutchins_lt | ShapeShifter499: Really. There's no way anybody here knows anything systemic about that, and if you're running it, you'd damn well be a lot more advanced than any of us are. |
| 02:17.02 | nae | ShapeShifter499: no. haven't tried. |
| 02:17.26 | jpinx-eeepc | jhutchins_lt: -7 here |
| 02:17.31 | nae | !tell nae about liquorix |
| 02:17.35 | jhutchins_lt | x |
| 02:17.45 | jpinx-eeepc | nae: done that |
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| 03:04.51 | xiackok | hello everyone |
| 03:05.35 | xiackok | i bought a 2nd hand dell box and i installed debian testing |
| 03:06.34 | xiackok | but i have a problem with xserver. i have 1280x... and 1024x768 resolutions. how i can use 1152x864 ?? |
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| 03:06.39 | xiackok | soory about my bad english |
| 03:08.04 | xiackok | no ones help me? |
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| 03:10.24 | sernin | You need to put that resolution in your xorg.conf file |
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| 03:11.52 | xiackok | sernin, i have alredy do it. doesnt anything. i put modeline again doesnt anything. when i open System->Preferences->Monitors there is no 1152x... |
| 03:12.06 | xiackok | sernin, thank you for answering |
| 03:12.08 | sernin | Is it a native resolution for your monitor? |
| 03:12.14 | xiackok | sernin, yes |
| 03:12.34 | xiackok | Hyundai ImageQuest Q770 |
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| 03:14.05 | sernin | And you have it in SubSection Display, etc |
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| 03:14.46 | sernin | It should respect the mode even if it gives you a distorted picture of some kind or something, that's quite odd. ANything in the error log? |
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| 03:15.57 | xiackok | sernin, http://pastebin.com/V66JHTA1 xorg.conf file |
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| 03:18.24 | xiackok | sernin, there is no interesting line in the log |
| 03:18.35 | xiackok | sernin, and there is no error |
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| 03:18.45 | xiackok | sernin, only few font warnings |
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| 03:22.32 | Mugen | Can anyone tell me how to get mail to use /Maildir/ .. ?? Keeps saying no new mail.. I just switched to exim4 from sendmail on a lenny vps... |
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| 03:44.20 | Hierophant | hi |
| 03:46.31 | Hierophant | out of all the network traffic monitors, which is the simplest to use? I'm not looking to do extensive analysis for IT management, just need to get an idea of who's connecting (trying to connect) to my private but Internet-facing server, how much bandwidth is being used, what kind of traffic, etc. |
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| 03:47.40 | qq- | wireshark, iptraf |
| 03:48.33 | Hierophant | well it certainly isn't Wireshark, that's more for packet inspection than general usage analysis. I'll check out iptraf though. |
| 03:48.59 | slidesinger | Is there a way to find out what options were used in the building of linux-image-2.6.26-2-486? |
| 03:54.19 | flaarg | the config should be in /boot |
| 03:54.35 | flaarg | if you installed it |
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| 03:55.57 | slidesinger | Thanks, that's what I needed. One other question, if an option is not listed in the config file, is that the same as <option>=no? |
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| 04:02.22 | xuser | Hierophant: ntop |
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| 04:25.52 | emerson | how do I install flash plugin ? |
| 04:26.36 | emerson | ? |
| 04:26.38 | jpinx-eeepc | !flash |
| 04:26.38 | dpkg | Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations, ask about <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. http://wiki.debian.org/Flash |
| 04:26.59 | jpinx-eeepc | !adobe flash |
| 04:27.00 | dpkg | Adobe Flash Player is <non-free>. The easiest way to install it is with the flashplayer-mozilla package from debian-multimedia.org; there is also a flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package available from debian-backports. Ask me about <dmm> <bdo> <non-free>. WARNING: installing flashplugin-nonfree will NOT automatically keep the plugin updated. See also <flash amd64>. http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 04:27.16 | jpinx-eeepc | emerson: ^^^ ok? |
| 04:27.41 | emerson | jpinx-eeepc: I think so ... |
| 04:28.02 | jpinx-eeepc | emerson: do some reading and come back if it's not making sense ;) |
| 04:28.32 | emerson | jpinx-eeepc: thanks |
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| 04:30.19 | Without | Hi, my harddisk I/O seems heavy load on writing/reading data, is there anyway to reduce the heavy load? |
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| 04:34.11 | NOMADICUS | Hey, I installed Debian 5.0.6 Lxde and it is sweet. How, do I improve it? Does Debian have a package manager? |
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| 04:34.58 | NOMADICUS | If so, I don't think it got installed because I can't find it. |
| 04:37.04 | emerson | aptitude |
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| 04:37.44 | NOMADICUS | emerson: Thanks! |
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| 04:41.19 | sweetpi | NOMADICUS: synaptic if your looking for a gui package manager. I imagine that would bring in a bunch of depends though |
| 04:41.46 | jpinx-eeepc | !weekend |
| 04:41.46 | dpkg | weekend is probably the time you can actually code without feeling remorses :) |
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| 04:41.54 | jpinx-eeepc | !sunday |
| 04:41.54 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 04:42.13 | roe | I need to repair a slapd installation |
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| 04:42.36 | roe | I can't remove it or reinstall it |
| 04:42.40 | roe | it just errors |
| 04:42.56 | roe | This also doesn't work: dpkg --install --force-confmiss slapd_2.4.23-5_i386.deb |
| 04:43.03 | roe | not sure what else I can do |
| 04:47.02 | qq- | , versions slapd |
| 04:47.03 | judd | Package slapd on i386 -- etch: 2.3.30-5+etch3; etch-security: 2.3.30-5+etch3; lenny: 2.4.11-1; lenny-security: 2.4.11-1+lenny2; lenny-backports: 2.4.17-2.1~bpo50+1; sid: 2.4.23-6; squeeze: 2.4.23-6 |
| 04:48.03 | zophy | is there a new stable yet ? |
| 04:48.07 | roe | not yet |
| 04:48.14 | qq- | !confmiss |
| 04:48.14 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
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| 04:48.58 | qq- | roe, use the right command ... |
| 04:49.01 | roe | qq-, no joy |
| 04:49.19 | jpinx-eeepc | !wwsbr |
| 04:49.19 | roe | aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall slapd |
| 04:49.24 | roe | is that not right? |
| 04:49.34 | qq- | roe, read up ... |
| 04:50.06 | roe | yea... |
| 04:50.25 | roe | the conf files are gone and need to be reinstalled |
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| 04:51.49 | MrRenegade | question whats the best way to get custom IPTables to save and load on a server reboot? |
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| 04:53.50 | llutz | MrRenegade: iptables-save /-restore |
| 04:54.43 | MrRenegade | ok and that will automagicly reload the firewall iptables listing on a reboot without me having to do anything with it |
| 04:55.15 | streuner_ | MrRenegade: interfaces might help |
| 04:55.27 | streuner_ | look at the examples (pre-load) |
| 04:55.49 | MrRenegade | yeah sofar there arn't any examples that i have found pre loaded |
| 04:56.02 | streuner_ | dpkg, interfaces |
| 04:56.02 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>. |
| 04:56.20 | streuner_ | zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
| 04:56.54 | zophy | write kill scripts and startup scripts in /etc/init.d and link to them in the /etc/rc.X of your choice |
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| 05:00.17 | MrRenegade | man this all seems to be a bit of a pain just to lock block all but web and ssh traffic on just a single interface |
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| 05:02.08 | sweetpi | use one of the gui tools then |
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| 05:03.24 | MrRenegade | sweetpi I would love to however i have no gui installed at all |
| 05:05.11 | sweetpi | fw-builder(not sure of the name) allows to install the scripts over ssh |
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| 05:09.37 | jpinx-eeepc | what's the syntax the get an x application over ssh to open in the remote screen and not the local one? |
| 05:09.49 | sweetpi | MrRenegade: I used it a few years ago on someones box, I dont know if they had a custom setup.. but all I had to do was click install and it connected to their server and uploaded+executed the firewall scripts |
| 05:10.25 | MrRenegade | hmmm |
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| 05:12.15 | sweetpi | jpinx-eeepc: you mean you want to run a x app and have it display on the box your connected to? |
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| 05:13.29 | jpinx-eeepc | sweetpi: I'm ssh -X into my N900 and want to run links2 -g in the n900 but on the laptop screen |
| 05:14.09 | jpinx-eeepc | sweetpi: atm if I do links2 -g it shows up on the screen of the n900.. |
| 05:14.16 | llutz | jpinx-eeepc: you have to set DISPLAY var |
| 05:14.46 | sweetpi | hmm ssh -X should have automatically set DISPLAY |
| 05:14.54 | jpinx-eeepc | I used to use a --no-remote ooption for this with firefox, but it's saying that option doesn't exist now :( |
| 05:14.54 | llutz | should... |
| 05:15.49 | jpinx-eeepc | sweetpi: the connection command was ssh -Xt - cos I use screen |
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| 05:19.13 | jpinx-eeepc | llutz: where should I look for $DISPLAY and edit/set it to what? |
| 05:19.30 | llutz | jpinx-eeepc: echo $DISPLAY |
| 05:19.37 | mjmt | It should be defined before you ssh. |
| 05:19.46 | mjmt | There's no other reason you'd set it manually. |
| 05:19.53 | jpinx-eeepc | echo where, remote or local? |
| 05:19.58 | llutz | remote |
| 05:20.04 | jpinx-eeepc | k |
| 05:20.27 | jpinx-eeepc | but will that not grab everything I do in X on teh remote? |
| 05:20.58 | mjmt | jpinx-eeepc: That's the idea. |
| 05:21.33 | mjmt | Wait, n/m. |
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| 05:21.54 | llutz | jpinx-eeepc: only things you start inside your ssh-session |
| 05:22.15 | llutz | a running X session isn't affected |
| 05:22.49 | jpinx-eeepc | $DISPLAY is :0.0 |
| 05:23.09 | jpinx-eeepc | that's in the n900 (remote) |
| 05:23.17 | llutz | it has to point to your local-ip |
| 05:23.25 | mjmt | llutz: What? |
| 05:23.28 | mjmt | No it doesn't. |
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| 05:23.45 | jpinx-eeepc | waits for consensus ;) |
| 05:24.33 | llutz | mjmt: :0.0 = localhost:0.0 on his N900 he's ssh-ing to, isn't it? |
| 05:24.42 | llutz | mjmt: so no remote-X |
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| 05:25.46 | mjmt | Both ends before establishing X forwarding will have DISPLAY=:0.0 |
| 05:26.10 | mjmt | ssh will set up a proxying display, and tell the remote end's apps about it by setting DISPLAY there to something like localhost:10 |
| 05:26.30 | mjmt | Err, remote from where you're sitting. |
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| 05:28.17 | llutz | mjmt: right, so if its actually :0.0 it isn't set right |
| 05:29.17 | mjmt | Agreed. |
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| 05:34.46 | mjmt | What's he doing. I don't know what the problem is. |
| 05:34.47 | jpinx-eeepc | llutz: mjmt I am ssh -X from the eeepc to the n900, I want to type links2 -g www.somewebsite.com in the eeepc remote shell and have it display on the eeepc |
| 05:35.12 | jpinx-eeepc | mjmt: so the eeepc is local and the n900 is remote |
| 05:35.12 | mjmt | So in that ssh session is where it tells you $DISPLAY is :0 ? |
| 05:36.04 | jpinx-eeepc | I use the remote shell displayed locally to tell me echo $DISPLAY and it is :0.0 |
| 05:36.15 | sweetpi | jpinx-eeepc: try -vvv when you connect and see if there are any xauth errors |
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| 05:37.37 | jpinx-eeepc | hmmm -- ok - here's the rest of the story - I am actually ssh -Xt into the n900, then chrooted into an imae of squeeze there |
| 05:37.46 | jpinx-eeepc | *image |
| 05:38.06 | sweetpi | maybe you should make a flowchart :p |
| 05:38.29 | jpinx-eeepc | that's where links2 is installed and it runs fine locally |
| 05:38.33 | mjmt | jpinx-eeepc: There's a socket in /tmp you need... |
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| 05:38.52 | jpinx-eeepc | in /tmp is which filesystem? |
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| 05:39.35 | istok | *sigh* - i have been trying to get a webcam going for hours, i've followed tutorials to no avail, i believe i have the correct drivers for the cam loaded and it still doesn't detect - all i get is /dev/video0 unable to open |
| 05:39.37 | jpinx-eeepc | sweetpi: I have a schematic on paper on my desk here ;) |
| 05:40.20 | mjmt | Well not a socket (localhost:10 is tcp not unix domain), but I'm pretty sure there's crap in /tmp you need. |
| 05:40.57 | jpinx-eeepc | mjmt: heh - ok - I'll install some crap in /tmp ;) |
| 05:41.18 | mjmt | jpinx-eeepc: Whichever /tmp sshd at that end can see. |
| 05:41.34 | jpinx-eeepc | mjmt: sweetpi llutz thanks but life is interrupting here - back later |
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| 05:42.10 | istok | anyone good with cams? |
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| 05:45.50 | ScottG | Anyone know why wgetpaste isn't in apt? |
| 05:46.33 | roe | ScottG, I would guess because no one packaged it |
| 05:46.45 | ScottG | Yea, odd. It's a great program |
| 05:46.51 | roe | ,wgetpaste |
| 05:47.04 | roe | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:47.10 | roe | then you should package it |
| 05:47.25 | ScottG | Might be a fun project |
| 05:47.34 | ScottG | Don't know how to package things atm |
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| 05:55.34 | passingby | hi guys, i just downloaded debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso using jigdo. I wanted to ask, is there a windows installer similar to wubi in debial world? |
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| 06:01.22 | Rat409 | passingby: not afaik |
| 06:01.25 | passingby | what I am looking for is a debian installation which shall NOT overwrite the MBR like wubi does, so that if I dont like debian I just un-install it leaving my system as it was before |
| 06:01.54 | passingby | Rat409: will all the debian install overwrite the MBR? is there any which doesnt? |
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| 06:04.28 | Rat409 | you should be able to chainload it from win's bootloader,or another linux,if you install it to the root partition,been a while since i've installed.can't remeber if you have the option |
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| 06:04.45 | sweetpi | jpinx-eeepc: whenever you get back, I figured out your ssh problem |
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| 06:16.52 | Rat409 | passingby: but you should be able to backup the /mbr, one method here http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-how-to-backup-hard-disk-partition-table-mbr.html |
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| 06:18.06 | Rat409 | i googled but not much info on debian-testing net installer re grub placement options. |
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| 06:19.19 | Rat409 | i'm sure you could probly install it to a usb-stick.run from there.if you can boot from usb in bios |
| 06:19.49 | passingby | right |
| 06:19.55 | Deckox | I can't using my modem celular phone on debian |
| 06:20.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can always install in the mbr OR the bootsector.... you don't find anything because that's so for every distribution for the last couple of decades |
| 06:24.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | as for the original question... |
| 06:24.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | !goodbye-windows |
| 06:24.21 | dpkg | http://www.goodbye-windows.com/debian/ will install Debian side-by-side with an existing win32/64 system (see site for ongoing compatibility). It can be non-destructive if you follow directions, or if you want, just replace that evil non-free OS all together. Supaplex is the webmaster (for site issues), see site for all FAQ. #goodbye-windows.com on irc.freenode.net. |
| 06:24.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | don't ask me about it, never used it |
| 06:24.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | passingby, ^^^ |
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| 06:26.47 | passingby | CutMeOwnThroat: the goodbye-windows.com installer doe not run on windows 7. Tried it |
| 06:27.43 | passingby | I like opensource softwares but since windows 7 came with my purchase and since I 'own' it, I want to keep it. |
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| 06:30.02 | roe | ugh, I really do not like the changes to the slapd package in squeeze. I can no longer edit the config files by hand |
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| 06:36.43 | remmy | Hi, how can I see which script or program gets executed when suspending to RAM in KDE? |
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| 06:38.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | s2ram, probably |
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| 06:39.37 | Remmy | The reason I'd like to know, is that I'd like to use the same command from a different desktop environment, but I have trouble finding the right command |
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| 06:42.03 | cafuego | dpkg: etch? |
| 06:42.04 | dpkg | Etch is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. Etch users should upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Removed from the mirrors (2010-06-20); ask me about <etch sources.list>. For old Etch ISOs, ask me about <etch iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100121 |
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| 06:50.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, s2ram it is... there's a couple of packages that depend on it acpi-support, hibernate and pm-utils |
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| 06:51.52 | Remmy | CutMeOwnThroat, running s2ram complains it is an unknown machine :( |
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| 06:59.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | echo mem > /sys/power/state or /usr/sbin/pm-suspend |
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| 07:04.31 | sekon | I have a service that i want to start up on boot up automatically. I have done ln -s /etc/init.d/SERVICE to /etc/rcS.d/s99SERIVCE |
| 07:04.47 | sekon | but its still not comming up automatically |
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| 07:07.32 | flaarg | skydrome: did you update-rc.d? |
| 07:09.59 | sekon | flaarg: was that for me |
| 07:10.04 | flaarg | sekon: yes |
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| 07:10.07 | ToXBoT | sekon: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/28 |
| 07:11.40 | ToXBoT | sekon: You can use update-rc.d SCRIPTNAME defaults |
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| 07:51.17 | jil | hello |
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| 07:52.47 | jil | I have a keyboard without "less" and "greater" key. How can I bind a key sequence to those car? For exemple Altgr+l for less car et Altgr+g for greater |
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| 07:53.59 | jil | I have been looking at the man pages of keymaps loadkeys dumpkeys... |
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| 07:55.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | xmodmap |
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| 07:57.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | xmodmap -e 'keysym 0x002e = period colon greater greater greater greater';xmodmap -e 'keysym 0x002c = comma semicolon less less less less';xmodmap -e 'keysym 0x002d = minus underscore bar bar bar' |
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| 07:57.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | for example |
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| 08:00.02 | jil | Yes I have been looking at xmodmap also but did not understand it well..let me check |
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| 08:01.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | puts it on alt-gr ,/./- |
| 08:01.30 | jil | ok, the problem i had was xmodmap is that it doesn't work in my xterm.. I get unable to open display.. |
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| 08:02.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | then you must have connected to another machine in that xterm |
| 08:02.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | most likely, that is |
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| 08:02.37 | cahoot | mixing users? |
| 08:02.56 | jpinx-ee1pc | sweetpi: back now if you're still around and have that solution? :) |
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| 08:04.52 | sweetpi | jpinx-ee1pc: couple of ways to do it, simplest is "cp ~/.Xauthority /path_to_chroot/home/$USER/" before you chroot |
| 08:05.38 | jpinx-ee1pc | sweetpi: as root in teh base system on the remote box? |
| 08:05.58 | jpinx-ee1pc | sweetpi: is there any way to do it *after* I am chrooted in? |
| 08:06.31 | sweetpi | jpinx-ee1pc: yes, but you still need access to the .Xauthority file |
| 08:07.01 | jpinx-ee1pc | I have that just by doing another ssh into the remote box... |
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| 08:07.49 | sweetpi | jpinx-ee1pc: ok, then in that connection type xauth list, then in the chroot type xauth add <line from previous command> |
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| 08:08.48 | jpinx-ee1pc | sweetpi: ah-ha - that makes sense - thanks for the nice pointers :) I'll try that once I get ten minutes for itto not work first time ;) |
| 08:09.07 | jpinx-ee1pc | /lastlog -files... |
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| 08:09.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | the difficulty usually is finding the correct line :-P |
| 08:09.43 | sweetpi | jpinx-ee1pc: np |
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| 08:09.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | in the accumulated cruft |
| 08:10.01 | jpinx-ee1pc | if at first you don't succeed ... ;) |
| 08:10.51 | jpinx-ee1pc | sweetpi: when I do a schematic on file I'll show it to you - I keep adding bits,.... |
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| 08:19.45 | jil | Allright, CutMeOwnThroat, this works great. thx.. But could you help me understand how you found the keysym 0x002e ? showkey period shows me something else in my case 0x33 0xb3. |
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| 08:21.05 | jil | I don't understand where 0x002e comes from .. |
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| 08:21.49 | sweetpi | jpinx-ee1pc: I made that harder than it need be, you could have still copied the .Xauthority file into the chroot from the second ssh connection and it would work fine |
| 08:21.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | xev |
| 08:22.08 | sweetpi | jpinx-ee1pc: schematic for? im not sure what your even working on :) |
| 08:22.14 | jpinx-ee1pc | sweetpi: I was looking in there and wondered.... |
| 08:22.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | jil, xev, for example |
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| 08:24.01 | jpinx-ee1pc | sweetpi: /pm or in #debian-offtopic ? |
| 08:24.30 | sweetpi | jpinx-ee1pc: either |
| 08:25.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | jil, although, with the zeros, I got it from xmodmap -pk |
| 08:26.18 | jaggz | no help in the right channel... anyone have an idea how I can somehow load a foreign-language .xls spreadsheet into OpenOffice? It's crashing each time I load it. |
| 08:28.35 | macrobat | maybe try and install the specific language OOo? |
| 08:28.44 | jil | hum..ok because with xev I get 0xfe03 for Alt-gr .. Ok I still have a lot of reading to do to grasp it well. thx ;) |
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| 08:30.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | jil, there is no keysym for the modifier keys... they are handled with the columns they keysym is for the _key_ (i.e. the period/comma) |
| 08:30.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/they/the/ |
| 08:31.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | that would have substituted the wrong "they" :-/ |
| 08:31.21 | jil | xmodmap seem to be what I need but doesn't work in xterm only in my GTK env.. You were talking about connecting to the wrong machine.. I didn't get that. I'm sorry I'm a newbie and with a french keyboard. |
| 08:31.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | you cannot open gui programs from that xterm either |
| 08:31.57 | jil | CutMeOwnThroat, ok that's what I was starting to undestand.. |
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| 08:32.34 | macrobat | "xterm" means the console? |
| 08:32.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh |
| 08:32.57 | jil | yes sorry |
| 08:32.57 | jil | the console |
| 08:33.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's totally different |
| 08:33.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | key bindings of the console and under X are separate |
| 08:33.37 | jil | yep I'm experiencing that right now :) |
| 08:33.42 | macrobat | you need X for xmodmap |
| 08:33.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | on the console you need to use loadkeys |
| 08:34.20 | jil | cause I want to edit an html file with the console and I stil don't have access to the greater less char.. |
| 08:34.38 | jil | loadkeys.. it use a .gz file right? |
| 08:35.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | I never bothered with that... "man loadkeys" is your friend, I guess |
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| 08:37.50 | jil | ok... I went throught it quickly but have a hard time finding the keymap file loadkeys loads... but there was this nice anedoct: I didn't new that [ were capital ( :) |
| 08:38.05 | jil | s/new/know/ |
| 08:39.18 | istok | anyone good with cams on lenny? |
| 08:40.12 | istok | i've been trying for hours without any luck and really want this silly cam to work :( |
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| 08:54.07 | wathek | Hello all I'm trying to install the nvidia-glx driver but I'm getting an error when I run m-a clean,a-i -i -t -f nvidia-kernel-source |
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| 08:56.25 | pallgone | wathek: what error? |
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| 08:57.22 | wathek | pallgone, give a sec I'm pastebining the error :p |
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| 08:59.11 | pallgone | wathek: are you following the wiki? |
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| 08:59.43 | wathek | pallgone, this http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.html |
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| 08:59.55 | sweetpi | wathek: thats the binary driver right? why not just download it from nvidia? |
| 09:00.11 | wathek | pallgone, http://pastebin.com/XP3SB9Lb |
| 09:00.32 | wathek | sweetpi, the nvidia-glx should work shouldn't it ? |
| 09:00.52 | ukl | hello #debian. I recently switched from gnome-shell to another window manager, but lost the ability to use the keyboard-settings of gnome. So, how can I, using X11 utils, get my Compose-key to actually compose again? |
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| 09:01.21 | pallgone | wathek: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 09:01.28 | red_eyes | Hello. I installed debian amd64 in my laptop that has an Intel Centrino. Is that ok? |
| 09:01.46 | pallgone | use that one... it's pretty good, get to the section of m-a |
| 09:01.59 | wathek | pallgone, ok |
| 09:02.02 | wathek | I'm doing that |
| 09:02.05 | wathek | thank you pallgone |
| 09:02.10 | pallgone | wathek: np |
| 09:02.20 | sweetpi | wathek: from a unbiased view yes. in my opinion no :) |
| 09:02.31 | wathek | ;) |
| 09:02.45 | pallgone | red_eyes: if it works... yes :) |
| 09:03.15 | red_eyes | thank you :) |
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| 09:04.56 | Without | for filesystem, EFI GPT or Linux better? |
| 09:05.03 | Without | interm of reducing I/O |
| 09:05.09 | Coweater | jil: you can install console-data, modify one of those (/usr/share/keymaps) and edit /etc/default/keyboard to use it |
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| 09:05.52 | Coweater | one of those should get you by though unless you have a really unusual keyboard, maybe try a few first |
| 09:07.09 | syn4pse | anybody can recommend me a good antivirus software to scan windows systems from a linux live cd/dvd ? |
| 09:08.27 | petemc | hirens is good |
| 09:08.34 | pallgone | ukl: probably you need tweak using setxkbmap |
| 09:08.49 | syn4pse | hiren has antivirus programs included? |
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| 09:09.02 | petemc | yes |
| 09:09.06 | jil | Coweater, Thx.. I have found a solution.. editing a fr-latin1.kmap and loading it with loadkeys.. Works greate for now ;) But I write down what you are suggesting.. Thx |
| 09:09.23 | syn4pse | sweet i ll give it a try |
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| 09:11.20 | ukl | pallgone: thanks for the pointer, I'll check its documentation |
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| 09:12.32 | jil | Coweater, the /etc/default/keyboard was the file pointing to the default kmap file. I think now it will be ok even after reboot... Thank you a lot for you hints and help.. |
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| 09:13.04 | jil | thx CutMeOwnThroat |
| 09:13.16 | jil | >>> :) |
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| 09:13.32 | ukl | pallgone: 'setxkbmap -option "compose:lwin"' wörks. :) |
| 09:13.53 | BafS | Hello. I want to install Debian but can I use the image of 180mo or the CD-1 is better ? (I'am via wifi so can't install with netinstall) |
| 09:14.00 | pallgone | ukl: nice... |
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| 09:14.54 | pallgone | BafS: 5.0? |
| 09:15.07 | BafS | Yes |
| 09:15.36 | pallgone | and GNOME? |
| 09:15.43 | BafS | Yes |
| 09:15.56 | pallgone | then CD1 is probably easier |
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| 09:16.43 | BafS | Okay. Because in the small image gnome isn't here ? |
| 09:16.52 | pallgone | no, it isn't |
| 09:17.13 | BafS | But it's hard to install ? |
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| 09:17.40 | syn4pse | nope |
| 09:17.40 | pallgone | no, but you would have to get your wifi running first without network-manager |
| 09:17.48 | syn4pse | apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment |
| 09:17.55 | BafS | Okay |
| 09:18.11 | BafS | I'll try with CD-1, thanx ! |
| 09:18.20 | syn4pse | if you set the wifi not to use a password it will not be to hard though ;) |
| 09:18.38 | BafS | Hum, okay x) |
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| 09:19.16 | wathek | pallgone, getting the same problem |
| 09:19.17 | BafS | But I'm not very good with the shell. Cd-1 is more secure :P |
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| 09:19.30 | wathek | pallgone, it fails when it builds the nvidia module |
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| 09:23.19 | evilgeenius | Hello, this may seem be a silly question. If I make a backup of "/" by rsyncing onto another machine, will that be a full system backup that i can restore onto a fresh debian install? |
| 09:23.58 | pallgone | wathek: are you running a bpo kernel? |
| 09:24.07 | wathek | pallgone, yess |
| 09:24.19 | wathek | pallgone, 2.6.32 |
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| 09:25.06 | ukl | hmm can I use setxkbmap to have my keyboard switch its layout while I hold rwin? this would be handy |
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| 09:25.26 | pallgone | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:25.35 | wathek | pallgone, let me heck that |
| 09:25.42 | wathek | s/heck/check |
| 09:25.50 | pallgone | what the heck? ;) |
| 09:25.57 | wathek | lol |
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| 09:27.58 | wathek | pallgone, under /usr/src/ there's a folder named linux-headers-2.6.32-bpo.5-amd64 |
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| 09:28.50 | pallgone | dpkg -l | grep linux-headers |
| 09:28.51 | dpkg | ii | grep linux-headers 1.9-15 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 09:29.14 | pallgone | dpkg: shut up |
| 09:29.14 | dpkg | Kiss my shiny metal ass! |
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| 09:30.11 | wathek | pallgone, yes the package is there |
| 09:30.29 | wathek | linux-headers-2.6.32-bpo.5-amd64 and linux-headers-2.6.32-bpo.5-common |
| 09:31.26 | pallgone | wathek: You also might have problems if a previous (failed) attempt at building the nvidia kernel module has left stuff at /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/ |
| 09:31.32 | pallgone | checked that? |
| 09:31.42 | wathek | yes I removed that folder |
| 09:32.04 | pallgone | do the single steps |
| 09:32.10 | pallgone | mentioned further down |
| 09:32.57 | wathek | pallgone, I did that m-a get nvidia is OK |
| 09:33.14 | wathek | but m-a build nvidia shows the error |
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| 09:34.27 | nsadmin | is the folder back after the get? |
| 09:35.13 | wathek | nsadmin, after the build ? |
| 09:35.26 | nsadmin | after the get at least |
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| 09:37.31 | wathek | nsadmin, nope |
| 09:37.38 | wathek | I've been trying now |
| 09:37.53 | wathek | nsadmin, it's created once m-a build nvidia run |
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| 09:38.36 | nsadmin | oh ok... the package install of the source probably puts a compressed tarball in /usr/src or /usr/src/modules |
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| 09:39.15 | lord-carlos | hi there |
| 09:39.23 | nsadmin | where? |
| 09:40.01 | wathek | nsadmin, yes under /usr/src there's nvidia-kernel.tar.bz2 |
| 09:40.49 | lord-carlos | how can i change my keyboard layout permanently? So that it's also change from boot up for dm-crypt pw input |
| 09:42.11 | nsadmin | ahh. I think when you untar that while your cwd is /usr/src you would get the folder again (so m-a build nvidia must untar it as its first step) |
| 09:42.48 | wathek | nsadmin, probably |
| 09:43.18 | wathek | nsadmin, but the build error is strange |
| 09:43.26 | nsadmin | you should also have some linux-headers folders in /usr/src |
| 09:43.46 | nsadmin | haven't read it yet |
| 09:44.06 | wathek | nsadmin, that's right |
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| 09:44.52 | wathek | ? |
| 09:45.06 | nsadmin | one of those folders probably has your uname -r at the end of its name |
| 09:45.29 | wathek | nsadmin, right |
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| 09:46.13 | nsadmin | and you probably want to build the nvidia package for the kernel with that same uname -r |
| 09:46.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | lastlog istok |
| 09:46.34 | wathek | nsadmin, lol right |
| 09:46.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops |
| 09:46.51 | nsadmin | /ops CutMeOwnThroat |
| 09:47.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 09:47.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | no... this time I meant ops, not /ops |
| 09:47.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | also not !ops |
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| 09:47.46 | wathek | nsadmin, and ? |
| 09:47.48 | nsadmin | not tops? |
| 09:47.51 | nsadmin | flops? |
| 09:47.59 | nsadmin | stops. |
| 09:49.34 | nsadmin | wathek, what's the error pastebin url? |
| 09:49.56 | wathek | nsadmin, http://pastebin.com/XP3SB9Lb |
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| 09:50.52 | pallgone | i think it doesn't mention why it fails... does it? |
| 09:50.54 | AmberJ | Is there a way to use another IP if I have a dynamic ip setup? |
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| 09:50.57 | AmberJ | If I switch off and then turn on my modem, I'm assigned new IP address? |
| 09:51.03 | AmberJ | Is it possible without requiring to switch off my modem? |
| 09:51.13 | AmberJ | I'm using Debian lenny if that matters |
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| 09:51.43 | wathek | pallgone, nope |
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| 09:51.52 | pallgone | AmberJ: you would have to release/renew the ip on the modem, but probably you will get the same one |
| 09:52.22 | AmberJ | pallgone: How do I release/renew the ip on modem? any links? |
| 09:52.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | istok, check dmesg when you plug it in... also, make sure you use v4l2, not just v4l ... you can select that e.g. in ekiga, but only when it's installed... |
| 09:52.49 | pallgone | AmberJ: you can only do that if your modem has some kind of interface... |
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| 09:53.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | istok, hmm, and I thik it should be in the packages libpt-1.11.2-plugins-v4l2 or libpt2.6.1-plugins-v4l2 |
| 09:54.04 | nsadmin | wathek, can you run m-a build nvidia again but put LANG=C at the start of the line |
| 09:54.22 | wathek | nsadmin, ok |
| 09:54.25 | wathek | gimme a sec |
| 09:54.32 | nsadmin | then pastebin that |
| 09:54.45 | sweetpi | AmberJ: what modem/model? |
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| 09:56.10 | sweetpi | actually nevermind.. i see where this is headed |
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| 09:56.51 | nsadmin | to a energy-sucking vortex located just outside your town? :) |
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| 09:57.00 | AmberJ | sweetpi: UTstartcom UT300R2U. |
| 09:57.38 | sweetpi | hehe |
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| 09:58.29 | nsadmin | to Remulak ^W France? |
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| 10:00.50 | sweetpi | searches though the dvds |
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| 10:02.34 | sweetpi | nsadmin: I think that movie is on vhs in a crusty old box in my basement :( |
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| 10:03.20 | nsadmin | and the SNL episodes from the 70s that preceeded it? :) |
| 10:03.33 | nsadmin | never did see the movie |
| 10:03.41 | Obligatory | On an 'unstable' system I installed an 'amd64' kernel, (my cpu is a Pentium D), and the system boots, but hangs at X. |
| 10:04.28 | nsadmin | X is not obligatory :) |
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| 10:04.52 | sweetpi | nsadmin: yeah, but I cant watch clips anymore.. or I spends hours laughing brainlessly clicking on youtube |
| 10:05.19 | nsadmin | it's good for you |
| 10:06.00 | Obligatory | Some web pages advise installing 'ia32-libs', but 'apt-get' can't find a package by that name. |
| 10:06.21 | nsadmin | what is your arch? |
| 10:06.41 | Obligatory | intel Pentium D |
| 10:07.07 | lord-carlos_ | is than an 64bit arch? |
| 10:07.21 | Obligatory | Yes |
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| 10:07.37 | nsadmin | when you installed debian did you install the i386 or the amd64? |
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| 10:09.10 | Obligatory | Debian I installed in 1998, i386 of course. I've just upgraded hardware and Debian for a decade. I just installed an amd64 kernel yesterday, and expected 'apt' to take care of the details... |
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| 10:10.05 | lord-carlos | you cant "upgrade" from an 32bit installalation to an 64bit installation |
| 10:10.08 | nsadmin | so you installed an amd64 kernel on a system that you originally installed on the i386 arch (this should work) |
| 10:10.45 | lord-carlos | nsadmin: but the system and the programms are still 32bit, or not? |
| 10:11.05 | lord-carlos | so he dont need 'ia32-libs' |
| 10:11.08 | nsadmin | I think the way it works is if you install i386 you can run either i386 or amd64 kernel |
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| 10:11.26 | nsadmin | oh, right, was getting to thaT |
| 10:11.26 | AmberJ | How do I upgrade lenny (installed from minimal netinst) to squeeze? |
| 10:11.43 | AmberJ | !dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 10:11.43 | dpkg | WARNING: you must upgrade the kernel and reboot prior to the full-upgrade. Remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile, backports), then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list. aptitude update && aptitude install linux-image-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` ; reboot; aptitude full-upgrade. If full-upgrade fails, try "apt-get dist-upgrade". See <squeeze release notes>, <squeeze udev>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing> |
| 10:11.58 | nsadmin | first make sure your lenny is completely up to date |
| 10:12.31 | nsadmin | right after that, I would back up your entire storage |
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| 10:13.20 | nsadmin | because... this has a chance of not working... small chance, but a chance |
| 10:13.25 | sweetpi | Obligatory: you did a fresh install or somehow magically upgraded hamm to lenny? |
| 10:13.44 | nsadmin | hamm?? |
| 10:13.52 | nsadmin | dat OLD! |
| 10:14.17 | Obligatory | sweetpi, 'dist-upgrade' all the way baby! I've been running unstable (sid) mostly. |
| 10:14.23 | sweetpi | nsadmin: he said debian from 98.. those were the days lol |
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| 10:15.09 | Obligatory | I mean why reinstall if you don't have to? |
| 10:15.10 | AmberJ | ok |
| 10:15.44 | nsadmin | AmberJ: did you get your ip change? |
| 10:16.47 | AmberJ | Couldnot find an option in web interface of my router :( |
| 10:17.16 | AmberJ | ... as pallgone said |
| 10:17.17 | nsadmin | oh ok |
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| 10:17.48 | Obligatory | Anyway, with 'amd64' my PC hangs at 'X', if it's not a missing libs thing, is it an X thing? Video card is 'Radeon X300SE', 'radeon' driver. |
| 10:17.49 | AmberJ | It uses a highly modified firmware by my ISP which may be the cause why I cant find an option. |
| 10:18.30 | nsadmin | the router uses this firmware? |
| 10:19.09 | nsadmin | or the modem? |
| 10:19.23 | AmberJ | yea...and the manufacturer says that they deal only with ISPs. So, they refused to provide me the original firmware (upgrade) |
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| 10:19.30 | AmberJ | It's a modem cum router |
| 10:19.32 | Obligatory | (On not reinstalling -- some of the upgrades over the last 12 years have been hairy tho', but ever since grub2 & not using nvidia it's much nicer.) |
| 10:19.56 | nsadmin | magma cum loudly? |
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| 10:21.00 | sweetpi | Obligatory: let me see if I have this right, you have a hamm install that you managed to upgrade all the way to lenny, with hardware+arch changes though the years.. and your asking what its not working? |
| 10:21.12 | nsadmin | Obligatory: do you have the /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 10:21.58 | nsadmin | sweetpi: and on top of that, he's been riding the unstable/sid mechanical bull |
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| 10:22.10 | sweetpi | aptitude install magic |
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| 10:22.52 | nsadmin | well I think the problem is the driver not installed yet |
| 10:23.07 | nsadmin | but the logfile would say what the problem is |
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| 10:23.37 | Obligatory | sweetpi, more specificly, why 'amd64' doesn't upgrade pretty, and since not, what might it need. (Believe it or not, the system is still stable enough) |
| 10:24.00 | sweetpi | Obligatory: is it locking up or is X just not starting? |
| 10:24.31 | Obligatory | nsadmin, I'll check the X log... I was thinking it was a pre-X thing, 1 minute... |
| 10:24.57 | nsadmin | so your arch is still i386 with an amd64 kernel that you may have to either build, supply or arrange to modprobe on boot |
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| 10:26.49 | nsadmin | wait, no that's wrong, incomplete |
| 10:27.05 | sweetpi | ... how would one modprobe a kernel? |
| 10:27.24 | nsadmin | so your arch is still i386 with an amd64 kernel that may not have the driver for your card that you may have to either build, supply or arrange to modprobe on boot |
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| 10:27.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | what? |
| 10:27.53 | Obligatory | nsadmin, Re Xorg.0.log, that's just today, and the log from yesterday is 0 bytes, I think the hang must have zapped it. |
| 10:28.32 | nsadmin | so the one from today has stuff in it? |
| 10:28.41 | Obligatory | sweetpi, when X starts, the system hangs. No numlock/capslock LEDs or nothing. |
| 10:29.20 | sweetpi | Obligatory: but bypassing X everything is fine? |
| 10:29.46 | Obligatory | nsadmin, yeah, I'm running the old kernel (i686 32 bit) now. |
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| 10:31.00 | Obligatory | sweetpi, dunno, I just booted once, and X starts up by default, so I've only one instance to generalize from. The various bootup messages prior to X looked OK. |
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| 10:32.52 | Obligatory | Mainly I wondered if the online docs were outdated, and there was some recent well-known tweak needed... |
| 10:34.59 | lord-carlos | how can i change my keyboard layout permanently? So that it's also change from boot up for dm-crypt pw input |
| 10:38.07 | sweetpi | Obligatory: IIRC x86 to amd64 isnt officially supported, so I doubt it has anything to do with them being outdated. I would start by making sure it boots ok without X, then maybe run xinit and see if it dies |
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| 10:41.45 | Obligatory | sweetpi, tnx, but if x86-->amd64 is unsupported then why's the kernel package 'linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64' exist? It installed, it looks standard. |
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| 10:42.55 | Obligatory | It didn't warn the user on upgrade that anything crazy was happening... |
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| 10:44.55 | sweetpi | I meant entire system, not just kernel. arnt you trying to upgrade everything? |
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| 10:45.46 | sweetpi | Obligatory: non-free binary drivers dont support 64-bit kernel with 32-bit userland |
| 10:45.47 | Obligatory | sweetpi, I just installed that one package. The fact that it got as far as X shows that some magic was keeping things going. |
| 10:45.50 | quitte | hi. every few months i ask the same question, but i didn't hear a statisfying solution yet. I want to have my home directory on a medium where the physical storage medium changes depending on availability. for example it may use gocsfs when available or a nfs mount depending on wether the "home lan" or the internet is available. any idea how that could be done without the problem with open files when the mounted filesystem disappears? |
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| 10:46.44 | quitte | the problem rather being a hanging userspace than my worries about data consitency |
| 10:46.46 | petemc | Obligatory: it didnt complain because it can work, it just has problems with some things, like x drivers. |
| 10:48.23 | Obligatory | Plausible! But is 'radeon' a non-free driver? (It's not clear from the 'xserver-xorg-video-radeon' docs.) |
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| 10:49.00 | neoice | quitte: have you seen drdb? that _might_ work |
| 10:49.29 | Obligatory | petemc, sweetpi so if there's a generic driver, say vanilla VGA or vesa, would that (in theory) work? |
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| 10:50.03 | sweetpi | Obligatory: no the non-free ati driver is fglrx |
| 10:50.06 | petemc | Obligatory: i didnt say non-free, its just not a recommended way to do things because of all the problems |
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| 10:50.43 | Obligatory | petemc, scusa, confusing you with sweetpi... |
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| 10:51.12 | petemc | oh right |
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| 10:51.43 | quitte | neoice: i didn't see it before. but that would limit my storage capacity to the volume with the least space. |
| 10:52.11 | neoice | so you want magic? |
| 10:53.03 | quitte | I wouldn't mint having lots of subdirectories that might disappear at any time. the problem is that linux doesn't behave too nice when a mounted volume just physically disappears. |
| 10:53.08 | quitte | s/mint/mid |
| 10:53.10 | quitte | mind |
| 10:53.13 | neoice | or you want something like Ceph, where you have $n devices, all exposed as one logical device, possibly over a WAN |
| 10:53.19 | sweetpi | Obligatory: no idea if it would work or not, the only time Ive ever seen it done was on a server someone didnt believe PAE was good enough for :) |
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| 10:54.29 | neoice | it sounds like what you want is very strange, like a quantum file system. your data may or may not exist, why dont you ls and see |
| 10:54.43 | Obligatory | X drivers X drivers.... the world needs a good apt-like dependency manager for hardware. (God knows how, given the trade secrets...) |
| 10:55.59 | Obligatory | ...that would interact with regular 'apt' of course. Then it could say to users, "that card hates this program"... |
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| 10:57.14 | quitte | neoice: hmm. maybe my problem doesn't exist and was fixed at a point in time unknown to me. i inserted a usb stick and changed to its directory in a terminal. after unplugging ls and cd behaved good. |
| 10:57.44 | quitte | now with some luck that works even for some unionfs |
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| 11:01.16 | sweetpi | confused.. why is the amd64 kernel available for a box that has a 32-bit processor? |
| 11:02.11 | Obligatory | sweetpi, Pentium D can do 32-bit & 64-bit. |
| 11:02.22 | quitte | sweetpi: because 32bit debian can be installed on 64 bit boxes, which would still benefit from a 64bit kernel. for example when lots of ram are installed. you cant use a kernel for pentiumpro on a 486,either |
| 11:02.39 | sweetpi | Obligatory: no I meant one of my boxes here |
| 11:03.28 | quitte | sweetpi: iow the package archive doesn't change depending on your hardware ;) |
| 11:03.34 | sweetpi | quitte: ah yeah I wasnt thinking the other way around |
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| 11:04.40 | DMBreathn | hi, i configured my timezone correctly. did hwclock -- systohc and hwclock --systohc. right now, my time is in Universal Time. I want to change it to my local time. Even if i'll reboot it will use my localtime. any ideas ? |
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| 11:06.08 | Obligatory | Well, gotta sleep, thanks mavens... |
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| 11:12.03 | jmd | DMBreathn, tzdata |
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| 11:14.34 | DMBreathn | jmd, tzdata command not found. i was able to do tzdata command a while ago. weird |
| 11:14.45 | jmd | You must install that package. |
| 11:15.35 | DMBreathn | it's installed |
| 11:15.47 | jmd | then run dpk-reconfigure tzdata |
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| 11:16.21 | DMBreathn | got it. thanks |
| 11:16.24 | jmd | Also you must realise that "local time" is subjective. |
| 11:16.51 | jmd | I just keep the damn machine on UTC and let users set their tz to whatever they like. |
| 11:17.00 | DMBreathn | it's already sync with my timezone. however when i restart, system time will use Universal Time |
| 11:17.20 | DMBreathn | true |
| 11:17.26 | jmd | Err. That sentence doesn't make a lot of sense to me. |
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| 11:18.09 | jmd | What do you mean "in sync with my timezone"? |
| 11:18.27 | DMBreathn | right now my machine is using the correct time |
| 11:18.39 | jmd | Oh good. |
| 11:18.55 | DMBreathn | but when i'll restart it will use again the Universal time. |
| 11:19.21 | jmd | What do you get if you type "date -u" ? |
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| 11:20.21 | DMBreathn | Sun Sep 26 11:20:21 UTC 2010 |
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| 11:20.36 | DMBreathn | that's the time that it will use when i reboot |
| 11:20.50 | DMBreathn | it will not use my local time |
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| 11:21.54 | jmd | and what do you get if you type "/sbin/hwclock --show" ? |
| 11:22.16 | DMBreathn | Mon 27 Sep 2010 03:20:51 AM PHT -0.250263 seconds |
| 11:22.30 | DMBreathn | way too advanced .. lol |
| 11:22.41 | jmd | Sorry. That should have been "/sbin/hwclock --show --utc" |
| 11:22.44 | DMBreathn | it's only 7.22PM here sunday |
| 11:23.02 | DMBreathn | Mon 27 Sep 2010 11:21:37 AM PHT -0.672006 seconds |
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| 11:23.31 | jmd | Then your system clock is correct (ish) |
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| 11:24.22 | jmd | I find it hard to believe that it changes when you reboot. Unless you have put something very unusual in /etc/rc* |
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| 11:25.00 | DMBreathn | i was using ntpd before but i removed it coz it will mess up my windows time. i'm on dualboot btw |
| 11:25.45 | jmd | Oh well. I can quite beleive that booting to Windoze will cause problems. |
| 11:26.04 | jmd | I stopped doing that about 10 years ago. |
| 11:26.28 | jmd | My life has been a lot easier ever since. |
| 11:26.51 | DMBreathn | :) |
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| 11:31.21 | petemc | DMBreathn: change the tc setting in /etc/default/rcS |
| 11:31.30 | petemc | erm, utc |
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| 11:41.04 | eye-scuzzy | moin |
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| 11:41.59 | eye-scuzzy | folks, how to check integrity of all packages ? |
| 11:42.23 | petemc | debsums |
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| 11:43.01 | eye-scuzzy | check it md5 sums and files ? |
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| 11:43.52 | AmberJ | !dpkg |
| 11:43.52 | dpkg | rumour has it, dpkg is the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
| 11:44.00 | AmberJ | !dpkg iceweasel |
| 11:44.01 | dpkg | Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces it in Debian as of Etch. It is not GNU's Firefox fork (now known as <IceCat>). Ask me about <why iceweasel> and <iceweasel user-agent>. Use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel |
| 11:44.11 | petemc | AmberJ: /msg dpkg .. |
| 11:44.22 | AmberJ | ok |
| 11:45.22 | AmberJ | Anyways, are there precompiled debs for firefox/iceweasel 4 (beta4?) ? |
| 11:45.28 | eye-scuzzy | petemc: thanks for advice |
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| 11:47.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions iceweasel |
| 11:47.19 | judd | Package iceweasel on i386 -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.11-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.12-2; sid: 3.5.13-1; experimental: 3.6.10-1 |
| 11:47.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | AmberJ, seems not |
| 11:48.28 | AmberJ | ok thanks CutMeOwnThroat :) |
| 11:48.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | eye-scuzzy, he meant the program/package debsums |
| 11:48.49 | eye-scuzzy | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah |
| 11:48.53 | jmd | dpkg, !icecat |
| 11:48.53 | dpkg | jmd: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 11:48.59 | eye-scuzzy | debsums -sa very useful |
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| 11:51.34 | eye-scuzzy | folks, dumb question, why LXC sucks, despite its upstream status ? |
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| 11:53.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | weird... backported org-mode from unstable... it's maily one lisp file for emacs, but it loading files with .org then fails miserably... |
| 11:53.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | weird |
| 11:53.45 | eye-scuzzy | was surprised, when I found out that LXC is not used as often as OpenVZ |
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| 11:54.13 | petemc | i had never heard of lxc before you mentioned it |
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| 12:09.34 | Patrunjel | hi everywone |
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| 12:19.39 | utabak | I have two machines with different user names, when copying files and makefiles, I am experiencing problems due to this difference, is there a way to change the user name on one machine and also facilitate to update the home directory as well with this user name, I can create an account and copy one home directory to the other as root, but I was wondering if there is another safe way for this |
| 12:20.26 | jpinx-eeepc | utabak: rsync maybe? |
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| 12:21.38 | utabak | jpinx-eeepc: Ok that is for file transfer, but what could be done for the user name difference, thx |
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| 12:23.01 | jpinx-eeepc | utabak: afaik you can not change the username of a user, but you can create a new user on the 2nd machine to match the 1st machine and rsync into their home dir |
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| 12:23.53 | utabak | jpinx-eeepc: hmm, fine, the best option seems to create a new user, copy/move the data and change the owner ship on the new accout I guess... |
| 12:24.36 | jpinx-eeepc | that's what I just said.... |
| 12:25.08 | utabak | jpinx-eeepc: opps, yep |
| 12:25.28 | jpinx-eeepc | :) |
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| 12:35.11 | djszapi | Where can I find the pkgbuild file of this package ? http://packages.debian.org/sid/libqt4-core |
| 12:37.23 | pallgone | AmberJ: on 32-bit you can easily get the precompiled static version from mozilla.org |
| 12:39.49 | petemc | djszapi: pkgbuild? |
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| 12:40.07 | petemc | google indicates that an arch linux thing |
| 12:40.10 | djszapi | build file, yep |
| 12:40.27 | djszapi | build with which I can build it from source. |
| 12:40.29 | petemc | !debian/rules |
| 12:40.29 | dpkg | the makefile that's used when building a .deb from source. Edit debian/rules to change compilation options. Be aware that some packages use sophisticated build systems that should be documented in debian/README.source. Also remember to make a new entry in debian/changelog with "~yourname" (for a backport) or "+yourname" (for a recompile) added to the version number. Also ask me about <hold> <package recompile> <source>. <makefile> |
| 12:41.23 | djszapi | what is debian/rules ? |
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| 12:42.05 | petemc | as per the above, the makefile used to build debian packages |
| 12:42.16 | djszapi | url ? |
| 12:42.21 | petemc | www.google.com |
| 12:42.26 | petemc | are you using debian? |
| 12:42.46 | djszapi | nop |
| 12:42.55 | djszapi | otherwise I would know. |
| 12:44.16 | petemc | you might want to ask the arch linux people about their tools |
| 12:44.32 | djszapi | I am glad to see you to know better what I might want :) |
| 12:44.46 | petemc | you asked for the pkgbuild file |
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| 12:46.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | djszapi, apt-get -b source <packagename> |
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| 12:46.51 | grifo74 | hi im a new debian user how i install a .deb package i dowload i make 2 clicks and dont work |
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| 12:47.25 | djszapi | petemc: I do not know why you could not provide a simple instead of this discussion. |
| 12:47.31 | djszapi | why is it worth ? |
| 12:47.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | djszapi, automatically downloads the source package and builds it |
| 12:47.51 | djszapi | I just asked a simple link since I do not debian, but I would like to see how you compile and build this binary. |
| 12:47.57 | seeds | grifo74 dpkg -i deb |
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| 12:48.05 | djszapi | because I would like to do it on my own, independently from any distribution |
| 12:48.19 | djszapi | and it is a good hint if it works, you know. |
| 12:48.30 | grifo74 | ok thanks i go try |
| 12:48.39 | petemc | djszapi: pkgbuild is the name of a specific build system for arch linux |
| 12:48.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | djszapi, they're two files... one .dsc and one .tar.gz |
| 12:48.55 | djszapi | relevant answer pls ? |
| 12:48.55 | seeds | grifo74 you have to be root |
| 12:48.59 | themill | djszapi: this channel is primarily for helping debian users with debian packages. You seem somewhat lost. |
| 12:49.30 | djszapi | isn't that debian related if I liked to check a debian build file ? |
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| 12:49.47 | themill | djszapi: you've been given that information. |
| 12:50.02 | djszapi | ( for instance because I would like to build from source later, for instance also in debian ?! ) |
| 12:50.10 | handjob | Hi. I want to migrate from ubuntu to Debian. I have home folder separated from /. I am wandering what files could I keep and what do delete not to affect stability of new installation. For egzample I have .vimperator file which I want to keep but there are also some gtk configure files that I could not say if will or not interfere with new install. How to make this transition painlessly? |
| 12:50.15 | themill | djszapi: and in fact it's linked to directly from the URL you first pasted. |
| 12:50.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | djszapi, I also think we answered all you could possibly want on that question... except for force-feeding you the direct link... which you actually already had |
| 12:50.50 | djszapi | why did not you provide a link instead of 20-30mins discussion ? |
| 12:50.52 | grifo74 | another question i have debian installed on my pc it's possible remaster the system???? |
| 12:51.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | why didn't you ask in a clear way from start on? |
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| 12:52.09 | themill | djszapi: the discussion is required because you're being sufficiently vague as to be impossible to help. And the answer that we now understand you want you already had. You also appear to have a clock that runs incredibly fast; you should get that seen to. |
| 12:52.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | handjob, keep everything in home, fix the things that you see make problems |
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| 12:52.47 | jelly-home | themill: is just 14 minutes to 20-30... maybe double speed |
| 12:53.11 | djszapi | I still do not see |
| 12:53.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/q/qt4-x11/qt4-x11_4.6.3-2.dsc http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/q/qt4-x11/qt4-x11_4.6.3.orig.tar.gz |
| 12:53.35 | petemc | perhaps he is travelling at near light speed |
| 12:53.43 | handjob | CutMeOwnThroat: If the problems occur I am not sure will I associate them with old files. I am not superb Linux user. |
| 12:53.45 | jelly-home | petemc: or we are! |
| 12:53.46 | themill | djszapi: so the link on that page "Download Source Package qt4-x11" isn't helpful at all? |
| 12:53.58 | petemc | jelly-home: oh, yeah |
| 12:54.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, I probably picked the wrong tar.gz there |
| 12:54.33 | themill | not that the debian source package is going to be much use outside of debian. |
| 12:54.44 | Texou | hi |
| 12:54.53 | handjob | Hi. |
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| 12:56.28 | djszapi | themill: I would not like to download 150 MB. |
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| 12:56.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | handjob, or you could move all dot-files to some sub-directory and move the stuff you're missing back to $HOME... and it's easy to identify the problems, just pick half of the dotfiles and move them to a subdirectory, note if problem is gone, pick half of the remaining dotfiles... |
| 12:56.38 | djszapi | just because of two important lines in the build file. |
| 12:56.59 | djszapi | unfortunately, my network speed is very limited |
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| 12:57.47 | Texou | could someone help me for a C / Debian problem related multilib? This code seems to build only on a 32bits arch, I've Deb 64bits multilib. How can I do to build (change the code? trick Debian?...) Just now "make" says http://pastebin.com/iLeQNTMX (it links against a proprietary lib 32bits but I don't have the choice as the Free application is unusable (it's a speech synthetiser) |
| 12:57.58 | handjob | CutMeOwnThroat: I will do that thx. |
| 12:58.03 | djszapi | for instance: I can reach the build file in case archlinux very easily: http://repos.archlinux.org/wsvn/community/electricsheep/repos/community-x86_64/PKGBUILD ( with no download 11111 MBs ) |
| 12:58.23 | jelly-home | djszapi: debian/rules is contained in the .diff.gz or, in this case, debian.tar.gz archive linked at the bottom of http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/qt4-x11 |
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| 12:58.48 | jelly-home | djszapi: what is your actual goal with it? |
| 12:59.02 | djszapi | to build qtcore from source on my own |
| 12:59.06 | themill | debian/rules is still not going to be very helpful on a non-debian system |
| 12:59.22 | jelly-home | djszapi: why do you need parts of Debian build infrastructure to do that? |
| 12:59.50 | djszapi | jelly-home: I am interested only the build option obviously. |
| 12:59.53 | smhar | I am connected to the internet in my notebook using a usb 3g modem, can I use the built-in wifi in the notebook to make it a hotspot? so I can connect other computers and phone to the internet |
| 12:59.56 | djszapi | * in |
| 13:00.45 | jelly-home | djszapi: that wasn't obvious to me, sorry. |
| 13:01.20 | djszapi | k np |
| 13:01.32 | nkuttler | smhar: sure |
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| 13:02.00 | smhar | how? I am using squeeze |
| 13:02.27 | nkuttler | smhar: well, it's not trivial. i'm sure you can google a howto |
| 13:02.28 | jelly-home | djszapi: try asking "which build options Distro uses when building Foo" next time, if that's what you're _really_ after |
| 13:02.53 | djszapi | which means the buildfile. |
| 13:03.14 | themill | djszapi: please go back and reread your original question. |
| 13:03.50 | emerson | hi |
| 13:04.03 | handjob | Hi. |
| 13:04.21 | djszapi | themill k |
| 13:05.11 | emerson | I tryed to install flashplugins but I couldn't anyone can help me please..? |
| 13:05.51 | AmberJ | pallgone: they do have firefox4 beta6 linux tars but not debs :( |
| 13:06.13 | AmberJ | And, I dont have a spare machine right now to afford to compile from source |
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| 13:07.26 | djszapi | ty, bye |
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| 13:09.54 | pallgone | AmberJ: you don't need the deb, just get the tar.gz, uncompress to home folder and run |
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| 13:14.47 | emerson | actually if I have the packets on the desktop area how do I install it |
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| 13:22.44 | squisher | Hi folks, I just bought a new WD hdd, and it's one of those 4k disks disguising itself as a 512byte one |
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| 13:23.45 | squisher | I tried to follow the guidelines: partitions are aligned on 8 sectors, lvm with --dataalign=4096, ext4 is using 4k block size |
| 13:23.54 | squisher | but I still get pretty bad performance at times |
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| 13:26.05 | gcala | hi folks, have an question, probably idiot, for you: what is the aim of libqt4-core; the description wasn't so clear for me. Thanks |
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| 13:27.43 | handjob | How can I check where grub is installed? |
| 13:28.13 | squisher | handjob, usually I'd just reinstall it to where you think it should be |
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| 13:29.12 | handjob | squisher: Sounds resonable. |
| 13:29.57 | handjob | Brb removing ubuntu installing Debian. |
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| 13:30.31 | emerson | handjob: how do I install flash plugins ? |
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| 13:31.51 | wathek | nsadmin, hi |
| 13:32.00 | wathek | nsadmin, sorry I've been disconnected |
| 13:33.27 | wathek | nsadmin, doing LANG=C m-a build nvidia doesn't solve the problem |
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| 13:35.55 | AmberJ | pallgone: Thanks. I forgot to read "static" in your original post. |
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| 13:39.22 | Draewil | Hi everyone, I got a problem : mysqld cannot stop or start, but mysqld is always on (my website still works.) someone can help me ? |
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| 13:40.28 | MarceloVaz | Draewil /etc/initd./mysql restart |
| 13:40.43 | MarceloVaz | Draewil /etc/init.d/mysql restart ( sorry ) |
| 13:41.10 | wathek | got a question how can I activate sid under lenny |
| 13:42.30 | Draewil | @MarceloVaz : it make the same issue : double fail. |
| 13:43.26 | MarceloVaz | Draewil hmm, already checked the log file? |
| 13:43.50 | Draewil | They're empty :/ |
| 13:43.55 | petemc | Draewil: can you pastebin the output of ps aux| grep mysql |
| 13:44.02 | MarceloVaz | -.- |
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| 13:44.46 | MarceloVaz | Draewil in system log ? |
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| 13:45.55 | petemc | Draewil: that looks normal, add set -x to /etc/init.d/mysql and run /etc/init.d/mysql stop |
| 13:46.09 | ResearchScientis | hi guys, i am installing Squeeze netist debian system onto a pen drive to test drive debian. I am at the step where I need to specify a mirror for archives, but no matter what mirror I am choosing it errors saying 'mirror does not support the specified release(squeeze)' ! |
| 13:47.06 | ResearchScientis | I have tried almost 20 mirrors, I think its not the mirrors, its something else which is wrong |
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| 13:49.08 | PDET | qf |
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| 13:50.45 | john_dee | Is there an easy way to find out what partition specific file is on? |
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| 13:51.03 | jelly-home | john_dee: df /path/to/file |
| 13:51.44 | Draewil | petemc> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 5755 Jun 5 18:42 mysql is not right ? |
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| 13:52.15 | john_dee | jelly-home: Thanks. But how to find out the device? (Like /dev/sdaX) |
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| 13:52.41 | jelly-home | john_dee: I won't answer that until you actually try out the command. |
| 13:52.54 | petemc | Draewil: for the init script? looks fine , you need to edit that file and insert set -x near the top |
| 13:53.04 | amphi | heh |
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| 13:55.55 | john_dee | jelly-home: Heh. Right %) Thanks a bunch |
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| 13:58.25 | er0 | i have a question about dhcpd im using debian etch is it possible to give out ip address with different network |
| 13:58.29 | er0 | with 1 interface |
| 13:58.56 | Draewil | http://pastebin.com/MBfN0bti |
| 13:59.05 | handjob | Hi again. I am trying to install Debian on eee 1001. For that purpose I made "install usb" using unetbootin. Sadly it fails looking for "cd" in wrong places. Any known work around? |
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| 14:01.09 | pallgone | !usb install |
| 14:01.09 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
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| 14:03.34 | petemc | Draewil: if you compare that to the output of ps you see the socket is at different locations - --socket=/web/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock |
| 14:05.12 | handjob | pallgone: Thanks. |
| 14:05.22 | pallgone | handjob: yw |
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| 14:07.02 | Draewil | petemc> my.cnf define my socket to /web/blablabla so why it searches a socket in /var/blablabla ? x.x |
| 14:08.21 | petemc | Draewil: look again at the output of the init script, particularly the .cnf file it uses |
| 14:08.36 | jhutchins_lt | handjob: We don't hear about here it when things go right, but we do seem to hear a lot from people who try to use unetbootin and fail. |
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| 14:17.58 | emerson | hello anyone can help to install the plugins for iceweasel like flash or install firefox instead. |
| 14:18.01 | smhar | finally, I found a good link to enable debian to use the builtin wifi in the notebook as hotspot: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/AdHoc , for anyone with the same problem :-) |
| 14:18.01 | emerson | please |
| 14:18.11 | smhar | I will read it and try it later |
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| 14:22.04 | met_ | hi, how do I start 'ifup wlan0' automatically when I plug my WLAN stick in? |
| 14:22.22 | met_ | I tried to google this, but didn't get an answer |
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| 14:22.45 | met_ | I configured it to start at boot time, but it doesn't work when I plug the stick off and in again |
| 14:22.46 | dvs | met_: allow-hotplug wlan0 in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 14:23.07 | emerson | ? |
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| 14:25.56 | passingby | is there any torrent image of sqeeze debian? I can find it on debian.org |
| 14:26.34 | BlackFate | passingby, http://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/ |
| 14:26.47 | BlackFate | ah squeeze |
| 14:26.48 | BlackFate | soz |
| 14:26.54 | passingby | yeah sqeeze |
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| 14:27.30 | passingby | I am a bit surprised that there isnt a torrent while there are regular iso's |
| 14:28.10 | met_ | thx |
| 14:28.31 | passingby | so there isnt any? |
| 14:29.32 | passingby | I cant download using jigdo, its console. I need to bring down the download speed now and then, plus pause it at times |
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| 14:30.24 | BlackFate | passingby, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/testing/current/amd64/bt-cd/ |
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| 14:32.34 | passingby | BlackFate: thanks but thats netinst, I have already installed that, but I am stuck at two things. In the installation I tried to configure many mirrors but installer kept on erroring saying mirror does not have the relevant files. |Secondly, when I now bootup I am presented with a terminal and I have no idea what to do to install a GUI desktop. can you give me a simple command? |
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| 14:34.53 | BlackFate | passingby, aptitude install gnome-core |
| 14:35.09 | BlackFate | passingby, just search the packages and select the D.E you like |
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| 14:37.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | how about you give use the exact error you get as well as your sources.list? |
| 14:37.36 | passingby | BlackFate: what about specifying a mirror site, how do i do that? |
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| 14:37.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | don't forget to run apt-get update to have errors reflect the current sources.list |
| 14:38.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | !sources.list |
| 14:38.11 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 14:38.31 | davidroderick | I made a init.d/script yesterday. do all rc2.d scripts have to run as root? |
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| 14:39.27 | bla | Do you think that testing debian is ok for dom0? |
| 14:39.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | init scripts run as root, many drop privileges when they call the server |
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| 14:40.20 | passingby | BlackFate: do you think I would be better off downloading a full CD instead of this? or installing a gnome would make things easier further on? |
| 14:40.49 | davidroderick | CutMeOwnThroat: that is with the C call chuid or something within the actual program. No way within script like su -l www -c "command" |
| 14:41.07 | davidroderick | Just I a nervous about my webapps running with root privileges |
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| 14:42.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | davidroderick, the scripts use start-stop-server, which does have an option to run the program as a different user... just look at a couple of init scripts... |
| 14:42.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | webapps? |
| 14:43.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | what are you talking about? For webservers, apache pretty much has the market cornered... |
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| 14:43.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | and a webserver needs root to be able to listen to port 80 |
| 14:43.41 | passingby | CutMeOwnThroat: I am not on the system right now, i booted up windows now, BUT, I remember that when red screen error showed up I went to virtual console 4 and it said there that the mirror did not support sqeeze. something like this. But this happened again and again and again, for every mirror i choose |
| 14:43.45 | bla | But needs this root shortly. |
| 14:43.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | apache has one thread to listen on port 80, drops privileges for everything else |
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| 14:43.59 | davidroderick | CutMeOwnThroat: oh yes thanks |
| 14:44.03 | WormFood | what is "The Debian Way" of properly enabling scim? I remember I had to make some symlinks in the past, but last update it didn't seem to work for me (of course, i'm sure I'm doing something wrong)...scim works now, I just need to enable it everywhere, and I can't use it in firefox/iceweasel at all. |
| 14:44.19 | enyawix | why do you hide all of the admin stttings? |
| 14:44.38 | WormFood | enyawix, who are you talking to? |
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| 14:45.50 | enyawix | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:46.03 | bla | probably dhcp. |
| 14:46.26 | rgr | CutMeOwnThroat: apache certainly does not have the market covered. its losing ground quickly. IIS is used far more than apache. |
| 14:46.38 | enyawix | i made /etc/resolv.conf read only and it was still over written |
| 14:46.49 | rgr | and a webserver most certainly does not run as root either. |
| 14:47.10 | enyawix | i did chmod ugoa -w /etc/resolv.conf |
| 14:47.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | rgr, are you suggesting he should install IIS? |
| 14:47.24 | rgr | heh heh , no ... |
| 14:47.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's settled then :) |
| 14:48.00 | rgr | I think he should do a crash course in Apache rewriterules ... they are a nightmare to come to terms with ;) |
| 14:48.12 | enyawix | why is debian trying to act like windows? |
| 14:48.23 | rgr | Sorry, misunderstood you. Didnt realise you were staying relative to Linux. |
| 14:48.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | enyawix, how about you ask a <real question> |
| 14:49.03 | rgr | enyawix: resolve is rewritten by the network layers yes. |
| 14:49.08 | enyawix | how do i force /etc/resolv.conf not to change? |
| 14:49.15 | rgr | dont use dhcp I guess. |
| 14:49.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | rgr, I wasn't, explicitly... |
| 14:49.35 | pallgone | rgr: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Usage_share_of_web_servers_%28Source_Netcraft%29.svg |
| 14:49.35 | petemc | enyawix: /msg dpkg fixresolvconf |
| 14:49.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | right... |
| 14:49.44 | enyawix | rgr not on other distros |
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| 14:50.01 | bla | enyawix, man interfaces; also you can remove /etc/init.d/networking from scripts and then you'll have to set up networking all by yourself. |
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| 14:50.10 | WormFood | enyawix, debian does things a little differet from most other distros |
| 14:50.24 | rgr | In large companies iis is the favorite. I sue apache. its great. |
| 14:50.26 | rgr | use |
| 14:50.51 | rgr | that resolv.conf issue rears its head a lot. |
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| 14:52.10 | enyawix | bla thanks that will work for me |
| 14:52.11 | rgr | btw what are the more lightweight "local home lan only" alternatives to that "pig to configure" bind9? |
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| 14:52.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | enyawix, first, find out which dhcp client you use... then configure it ... |
| 14:52.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | !fixresolvconf |
| 14:52.48 | dpkg | To fix your /etc/resolv.conf: edit /etc/dhcp{,3}/dhclient.conf to include the nameservers you want to use (ask me about <override dns>). Alternatively, use <resolvconf> and specify the nameservers yourself: echo -e "nameserver a.b.c.d\nnameserver w.x.y.z" > /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base; resolvconf -u (where a.b.c.d and w.x.y.z are your ISPs nameservers). Also ask me about <fixresolvconf the ugly way>. |
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| 14:55.20 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 14:55.29 | HardDisk_WP | i have a .tar archive consisting of a single file |
| 14:55.36 | HardDisk_WP | now I run tar --remove-files -r -f articles.tar foo.html |
| 14:55.46 | HardDisk_WP | and suddenly articles.tar contains only foo.html |
| 14:56.09 | HardDisk_WP | but bar.html is not shown in tar tvf articles.tar |
| 14:56.16 | HardDisk_WP | wtf is going on? |
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| 15:01.33 | CryptoMole | hello all |
| 15:01.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't know what you're doing... http://pastebin.com/uYMtdm9F |
| 15:02.44 | CryptoMole | I want to go on record that I am never up this early |
| 15:03.03 | AimHere | Yes you are. |
| 15:03.06 | CryptoMole | I got up at 6 |
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| 15:03.49 | met_ | weird. when I unplug eth0, wlan0 doesn't work, too. my net./interfaces-file: http://pastebin.com/UUYx2MG8 |
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| 15:04.33 | met_ | perhaps I need to enable hotplug for eth0, too |
| 15:06.18 | enyawix | bla thanks it works! you are the man |
| 15:06.19 | CryptoMole | I read this post the other day it was amusing, said |
| 15:07.13 | CryptoMole | I am already using squeeze/sid I dont need no dam releases. |
| 15:07.57 | MarceloVaz | met_ read http://www.mahapra.com.br/mpmain/conteudo/lenny/wifi-config/configwifi.php |
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| 15:12.53 | emerson | how do I install firefox ? |
| 15:13.04 | emerson | ? |
| 15:13.07 | davidroderick | I am using this ruby process monitoring tool called God, and I tell it to send an email to yahoo. Do I need an stmp something on port 25 of my local machine to send out emails? |
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| 15:13.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | emerson, aptitude install iceweasel |
| 15:14.31 | met_ | MarceloVaz: thank you, but I can't read this language |
| 15:14.51 | davidroderick | no, silly question. it's my firewall that's blocking |
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| 15:15.22 | trijntje | Hi all, can someone direct me to the translation files for xscreensaver? |
| 15:16.25 | siegie_ | Hi, i'm using my debian machine as a print server. But there's a small problem. localhost:631 shows that the printer is always idle, even when it's unplugged. On my previous printer server (ubuntu) the status updates to paused when the printer is not plugged in. |
| 15:17.04 | siegie_ | What extra configuration/package do i need so that cups can update the status? |
| 15:18.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmh, press reload? |
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| 15:20.48 | siegie_ | CutMeOwnThroat: it is not that simple, even when i start the server whith an unplugged printer cable, the status is still idle. |
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| 15:21.08 | emerson | I tryed several times to install the flash plugin but I couldn't anymone can help me, please.. |
| 15:21.35 | jpinx-eeepc | !flash |
| 15:21.35 | dpkg | Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations, ask about <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. http://wiki.debian.org/Flash |
| 15:21.54 | jpinx-eeepc | emerson: which one ? |
| 15:22.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | wrong factoid... |
| 15:22.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | !adobe flash |
| 15:22.03 | dpkg | Adobe Flash Player is <non-free>. The easiest way to install it is with the flashplayer-mozilla package from debian-multimedia.org; there is also a flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package available from debian-backports. Ask me about <dmm> <bdo> <non-free>. WARNING: installing flashplugin-nonfree will NOT automatically keep the plugin updated. See also <flash amd64>. http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
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| 15:22.30 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: he might have been instaling gnash :p |
| 15:22.58 | emerson | jpinx-eeepc: for inceweasel...can you put in the past bin the steps that I have to follow, please .. |
| 15:23.04 | jpinx-eeepc | emerson: anyway - pastebin the command error combo... |
| 15:23.37 | emerson | jpinx-eeepc: combo ? |
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| 15:23.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | emerson, what version of debian? |
| 15:24.16 | emerson | CutMeOwnThroat: lenny |
| 15:25.01 | jpinx-eeepc | ,versions flashplayer-mozilla |
| 15:25.04 | judd | Package flashplayer-mozilla on i386 -- etch-multimedia: 1:9.0.152.0-0.0; lenny-multimedia/non-free: 1:10.1.82.76-0.0; sid-multimedia/non-free: 1:10.1.82.76-0.0; squeeze-multimedia/non-free: 1:10.1.82.76-0.0 |
| 15:25.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | then this factoid was right for you... there are two packages you could use... |
| 15:25.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | !dmm |
| 15:25.12 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>. |
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| 15:25.34 | pozic | I can connect to my ISP and have an ssh session open for a long time, but when I setup a tunnel this is not the case. How can I make sure that the tunnel stays open? |
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| 15:26.16 | emerson | CutMeOwnThroat: I did read a couple of things already but didn't work.. |
| 15:26.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | emerson, /msg dpkg dmm lenny and add debian-multimedia to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then install flashplayer-mozilla |
| 15:27.25 | emerson | CutMeOwnThroat: I did but I got an error ... |
| 15:27.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | pozic, read up on autossh |
| 15:28.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | but you can't make sure the programs through the tunnel don't get closed |
| 15:28.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | emerson, at this point, the exact error would be necessary to tell you anything ... wouldn't you agree? |
| 15:29.10 | emerson | CutMeOwnThroat: I can put it on the pastbin whether you want to see it .. |
| 15:29.37 | pozic | CutMeOwnThroat: but that doesn't really explain why my ssh sessions stay open. |
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| 15:30.06 | pozic | CutMeOwnThroat: alternatively, one would expect that someone would have written a program, which simply logs in via ssh and sends and receives data in that way. |
| 15:30.26 | pozic | CutMeOwnThroat: but thanks for the suggestion, I will try to get it to work. |
| 15:31.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | pozic, "which simply logs in via ssh and sends and receives data in that way" that's what tunneling does... |
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| 15:31.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | I can only imagine that the timeout for the sshs with tunneling comes faster |
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| 15:34.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | pozic, I set ServerAliveInterval 10 and switched autosshs own detection mechanism off |
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| 15:34.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | [something] seems to sometimes give me weird results with this, though... |
| 15:35.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | I sometimes get a couple of reconnects in a row without apparent reason |
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| 15:37.00 | magesing | Hi everyone, I was watching a video using mplayer, when suddenly the sound stopped working. At the moment I can't get any sound to play using mplayer or aplay... in Alsamixer I have all the channels un-muted and at max. volume... Any ideas on how I can get sound working again? (I tried the default solution *rebooted*, problem persists through reboot) |
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| 15:38.57 | magesing | Would one of you please do me a favor? Fire up alsamixer, with the ``Master'' channel selected and the volume all the way up you should see [dB gain: X.XX], what is X.XX at full volume for you? (for me it is 0.00 which I think looks like a problem) |
| 15:39.24 | cahoot | magesing: alsamixer is directed to correct device? |
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| 15:39.37 | blazer | Install Solaris |
| 15:39.39 | blazer | Problems solved |
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| 15:40.41 | magesing | cahoot: Card: HDA Intel, Chip: Realtek ALC269... I haven't changed any settings... would alsamixer point it's self to a random device spontaniously? |
| 15:41.15 | magesing | blazer: that's odd advice to see in the #debian channel |
| 15:41.22 | cahoot | magesing: if you have more than onepotential sounddevice their order might change between reboots |
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| 15:42.09 | magesing | cahoot: The problem occured while the system was running, I checked alsamixer before I rebooted, and I only have one sound device |
| 15:42.13 | cahoot | magesing: also no need reboot for alsa - alsa force-reload *should* suffice |
| 15:42.46 | cahoot | magesing: see if /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0 does any good |
| 15:44.17 | magesing | cahoot: that slightly changed my mixer levels, but nothing else... still no sound |
| 15:44.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | magesing, '/msg alsa checklist' and see in how far that gives you a clue |
| 15:44.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | and yes... a level of 0 doesn't sound right |
| 15:45.00 | cahoot | magesing: might check fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* |
| 15:45.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | (run fuser as root) |
| 15:45.14 | magesing | CutMeOwnThroat: What is the dB level at full volume for you? (on the Master channel) |
| 15:45.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | they're all in percent... hence 100 |
| 15:45.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | but that might vary |
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| 15:46.33 | magesing | CutMeOwnThroat: at the top of the screen it says Item: Master [dB gain: 0.00] |
| 15:46.47 | magesing | CutMeOwnThroat: in the bottom you see the percentage |
| 15:47.06 | magesing | cahoot: that fuser command produced no output |
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| 15:48.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | magesing, what does fuser (as root again) say about /dev/mixer* |
| 15:48.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I think it would really be useful if you went along that checklist |
| 15:48.43 | magesing | CutMeOwnThroat: just bringing the checklist up now... /msg alsa checklist didn't work, i'm assuming you ment /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
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| 15:49.40 | piklu | hey guys |
| 15:49.56 | piklu | is the ia64 the version used for x86_64 system ? |
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| 15:50.39 | cahoot | !ia64 |
| 15:50.39 | dpkg | [ia64] (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. See http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's <amd64>. |
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| 15:51.02 | st__ | i'm trying to setup debian, but it doesn't support ext4, what to do?? |
| 15:51.37 | jhutchins_lt | st__: Use ext3. |
| 15:51.48 | st__ | i'm not joking |
| 15:52.03 | jhutchins_lt | st__: Niether am I. |
| 15:52.05 | magesing | 1) I am a member of the audio group 2) all channels are unmuted and at max volume 3)I don't think I have arts or esound installed at all (no init scripts called arts or esound) |
| 15:52.23 | magesing | hmm... how do I check if I have OSS modules loaded? |
| 15:52.31 | jhutchins_lt | !alsa checklist |
| 15:52.31 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
| 15:52.40 | st__ | but why it doesn't? |
| 15:53.26 | jhutchins_lt | st__: Because ext4 is still new and somewhat experimental, and was more so when lenny was released, and one of debian's goals is to have a stable, reliable system even if it isn't the latest shiney new gadget. |
| 15:53.32 | cahoot | magesing: for some cards toggling any analog/digital output switch might mute/unmute the card |
| 15:53.47 | jhutchins_lt | !ext4 |
| 15:53.47 | dpkg | [ext4] Fourth extended file system. Supports volumes up to one exabyte (1024 petabytes) and extents. Support for ext4 filesystem features included in e2fsprogs since 1.41~WIP-2008-06-17-1. Merged in mainline Linux kernel, available in 2.6.28 and later. Ask me about <ext3->ext4> and <ext4->ext3>. Not supported by GRUB Legacy (Debian bug #511121). http://wiki.debian.org/Ext4 http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/ #ext4 on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 15:54.17 | magesing | cahoot: how does one toggel an analog/digital output switch? |
| 15:54.25 | cahoot | in alsamixer |
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| 15:54.43 | piklu_ | the common processors out there |
| 15:54.56 | piklu_ | so what shall i use to.......install it on 64 bit on 32 bit arch systems |
| 15:55.16 | st__ | so can it be enabled on install stage? ext3 is no-go to me |
| 15:55.23 | magesing | cahoot: I have tried muting and unmuting all my channels several times now... my original problem didn't happen with a settings change, I spontainoulsy lost sound while watching a video with mplayer |
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| 15:55.54 | magesing | I'm going to dig up some headphones to rule out hardware failure of my speakers |
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| 15:57.58 | piklu_ | is i386 the one ?' |
| 15:58.08 | magesing | well... I should have done that sooner... sound works fine through my headphone jack... I guess the built-in speakers on my eeepc are dead... unless there is a software reason that the headphones would work and the speakers not. |
| 15:58.47 | cahoot | unplug headset and see? |
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| 15:59.12 | magesing | cahoot: with headphones unplugged there is no sound |
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| 16:00.06 | pozic | CutMeOwnThroat: what is the 'connection monitoring' part? |
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| 16:00.43 | magesing | Thanks for helping me troubleshoot guys, Ciao. |
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| 16:01.39 | pekuja | I just installed a new virtual machine, and decided to enable crypto on my LVM. Now, what I didn't think of, is that this requires me to input a passphrase at the console every time I reboot, which is problematic because I don't have admin rights on the physical computer the virtual server is running on. |
| 16:02.24 | pekuja | Would using a key file help, and can I change that anymore or will I have to reinstall? |
| 16:02.52 | jhutchins_lt | piklu: I don't understand what your question is. Perhaps put it all on one line? |
| 16:02.54 | pekuja | Also would using a key file on a server that's not mine just invalidate the point of the crypto? |
| 16:03.49 | st__ | is there a way to install debian to ext4 partition? |
| 16:05.21 | piklu | I would like to install debian on a machine that has 8GB RAM, and i would like you to tell me what should i use, its a intel xeon processor and not itanium |
| 16:05.27 | jhutchins_lt | !tell pekuja about dm-crypt |
| 16:06.03 | ycas | piklu: what architecture? |
| 16:06.12 | amphi | piklu: is it 64 bit? if not, you would need to use a 32bit PAE kernel |
| 16:06.28 | ycas | piklu: xeon should be 64bit |
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| 16:06.53 | jhutchins_lt | piklu: you can use the 32b system with bigmem. |
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| 16:07.05 | jelly-home | piklu: how old a xeon? |
| 16:07.20 | amphi | piklu: grep lm /proc/cpuinfo would tell you if it is 64 bit |
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| 16:07.35 | jhutchins_lt | amphi: Assuming he already had linux installed... |
| 16:07.48 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: the magic of livecds! |
| 16:07.55 | amphi | jhutchins_lt: yes, or had a linux livecd handy |
| 16:08.02 | jhutchins_lt | Indeed. |
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| 16:08.43 | jhutchins_lt | I actually have a live CD for RedHat 2.1 (not rhel). |
| 16:08.50 | jhutchins_lt | Not that it boots on much hardware. |
| 16:09.02 | amphi | a 1.x kernel? |
| 16:09.18 | jhutchins_lt | amphi: Don't think it's that old. |
| 16:09.32 | jhutchins_lt | amphi: Might be pre-2.4 though. |
| 16:09.42 | amphi | IIRC, RH5 was 2.0 |
| 16:09.55 | amphi | but I may be confused |
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| 16:10.31 | pekuja | jhutchins, thanks. that does help a little bit, but I can't really find an answer for whether switching to a key file would even be a good idea |
| 16:12.02 | project2501a | hey guys |
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| 16:12.35 | trijntje | Hi all, can someone direct me to the translation files for xscreensaver? |
| 16:12.43 | f8l | st__: You can do it with a testing CD, but lately it has some issues which make them fail to install GRUB. Wait for Squeeze (I hope it'll have ext4 support), wait for bugs to be squashed or install on a spare ext3 partition and then convert it to ext4. You'll not get the full performance, but it'll be quicker than ext3. |
| 16:12.48 | jhutchins_lt | amphi: 1.2.13 |
| 16:13.02 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: the best kernel ever |
| 16:13.22 | ksx4system | jhutchins_lt: ROTFL |
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| 16:13.54 | e-dub | whats up |
| 16:13.57 | jhutchins_lt | amphi: Looks like 2.0 was 3.0.3 or 4.0 |
| 16:14.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | pozic,I think it transfers stuff over the tunnel... "man autossh" tells the details |
| 16:14.23 | st__ | how can I download test cd? |
| 16:14.40 | jhutchins_lt | !live cd |
| 16:14.40 | dpkg | An operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue CD or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian has its own Live CD (http://live.debian.net/), ask me about <debian live>. http://www.livecdlist.com/ |
| 16:15.07 | jhutchins_lt | !debian live |
| 16:15.07 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. As of squeeze, the images can be installed with d-i. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/FAQ http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.oftc.net. A preview of the squeeze live image is at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_live_alpha2/ |
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| 16:16.34 | st__ | ok I found sid businesscard one |
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| 16:18.05 | SpeedyG | hi, how can I redirect Xen DomU screenoutput to a tty on a cli-based server ? (I want to install windows on the DomU) |
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| 16:18.57 | qq- | whats your sources line for say : so 'file:///blablah' or so 'file:/blablah' ? |
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| 16:19.48 | petemc | SpeedyG: windows doesnt work in terminal mode, you need to use vnc |
| 16:20.24 | SpeedyG | petemc: hm, can't get connected yet, any good how-to's available on that since i've been playing with it for over 3 hours now... must be looking in the wrong direction :( |
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| 16:21.01 | petemc | i think googling for 'xen install windows' will return useful results |
| 16:21.59 | SpeedyG | petemc: :( not really so far |
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| 16:23.12 | petemc | http://mediakey.dk/~cc/howto-install-windows-xp-vista-on-xen/ , first hit here, its for etch but looks to have the required info |
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| 16:24.37 | jhutchins | st__: Sid is not a released version, not reccomended unless you're doing development-level software testing. |
| 16:25.05 | st__ | it supports ext4 unlike old crap |
| 16:25.44 | jhutchins | st__: It's not a functional distribution, it's a sandbox for software testing. |
| 16:26.08 | jhutchins | st__: working, reliable, tested, functional software may look "old" to the uninformed. |
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| 16:26.21 | jhutchins | st__: Why do you think you need ext4? |
| 16:26.32 | st__ | because my files are in ext4 |
| 16:26.57 | jhutchins | st__: squeeze is an actuall proposed release, known to have potetntially fatal bugs, but I believe it supports ext4. |
| 16:27.06 | e-dub | hey newsense are you here |
| 16:27.21 | jhutchins | st__: lenny's backport kernel also supports ext4, and you can enable it in lenny. |
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| 16:27.41 | jhutchins | st__: If you don't know how to do that you will probably be very unhappy trying to run squeeze, and definitely not sid. |
| 16:30.11 | jhutchins | st__: You can also mount an ext4 volume as ext3, just like you can mount ext3 as ext2. |
| 16:30.34 | st__ | jhutchins, i tried but it failed |
| 16:31.02 | SpeedyG | petemc: i've just put the settings similar to what's in that tutorial, but vnc keeps denying connections :( |
| 16:32.37 | jhutchins | st__: If you failed to get it to work with lenny, you are not likely to succeed with squeeze or sid. |
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| 16:33.32 | st__ | 'get to work' what? ext4 is not compatible with ext3 |
| 16:33.47 | SpeedyG | petemc: i've put the config in here: http://pastebin.ca/1949013 |
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| 16:33.57 | piklu | piklu: sorry guys |
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| 16:34.07 | piklu | its a double xeon processor |
| 16:34.13 | heman54 | Hi guys, your my last resort as im stuck all day and google doesnt help. I can't install Grub nor lilo on the pc, can't install to /target/ .... |
| 16:34.35 | heman54 | any solution? (debian squeeze) on a very old computer |
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| 16:36.51 | LV-426 | how come 'find . -size -1M' fails to find files which 'find . -size -1000k' does ? are file sizes rounded up ? |
| 16:36.54 | oracle | are there any actual differences in how functions are performed between apt-get install and aptitude install |
| 16:37.23 | oracle | lv-426, it's 1M is probably 1024k |
| 16:37.32 | oracle | that could account for the difference |
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| 16:37.52 | LV-426 | nope - i'm missing 500k hits |
| 16:37.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions e2fsprogs |
| 16:37.55 | judd | Package e2fsprogs on i386 -- etch: 1.39+1.40-WIP-2006.11.14+dfsg-2etch1; etch-security: 1.39+1.40-WIP-2006.11.14+dfsg-2etch1; lenny: 1.41.3-1; sid: 1.41.12-2; squeeze: 1.41.12-2 |
| 16:38.08 | SpeedyG | oracle: iirc aptitude is configured better for including dependencies etc |
| 16:38.14 | pozic | LV-426: `M' for Megabytes (units of 1048576 bytes) |
| 16:38.29 | oracle | speedyg, that might actually be it as i've heard it before |
| 16:38.38 | pozic | LV-426: It is a bug, imho. |
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| 16:38.52 | pozic | LV-426: but since everyone probably already depends on it... |
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| 16:41.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | st__, if you /msg dpkg ext4, you see you need a kernel >2.6.28 (the 2.6.32 in backports will do nicely) and e2fsprogs from squeeze (if you need any of those) - there's no backport, so you'd need to do that yourself ... /msg dpkg ssb for that |
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| 16:43.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | heman54, pastebin the exact errors you get and the config files you get them with. Your question right now is too vague for an answer right now |
| 16:45.26 | heman54 | CutMeOwnThroat its debian squeeze fresh install (d-i) |
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| 16:48.11 | heman54 | CutMeOwnThroat i have same error as described here : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=598062 |
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| 16:48.40 | piklu | sorry guys |
| 16:48.45 | piklu | I got dc again and again |
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| 16:50.57 | slowness | Hi. I have a problem with grub2. I have installed kernel with initrd. During boot, grub tries to load /initrd.ing-2.6.xx as a result I have: couldn't read file. But this file exists, I'm using separate partition for /boot/ |
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| 16:51.19 | qq- | !dbugs #598062 |
| 16:51.23 | dpkg | #598062:C[cdrom] cdrom: Squeeze : grub-pc cannot install on /target for amd64 (); Sun, 26 Sep 2010 01:33:02 UTC [] |
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| 16:52.26 | heman54 | i'm installing debian I386 on a old pre 64bit era machine |
| 16:53.23 | heman54 | we'll i rather try to get it on |
| 16:53.43 | qq- | before commodore 64 (1982) ? |
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| 16:53.52 | Nepherius | uhm where do i have to install java so it actualy updates ?:) |
| 16:53.55 | heman54 | no :p |
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| 16:55.52 | heman54 | Not sure what it is exactly, I think its a celeron, has 128Mb ram, newest file on HD was put on somewhere 2003 |
| 16:56.04 | jelly-home | slowness: which fs type for that /boot partition? |
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| 16:57.55 | slowness | jelly-home: ext2 |
| 16:58.28 | jelly-home | slowness: hmph, that ought to work |
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| 16:59.26 | slowness | jelly-home: strange is that. I have compiled on my own kernel 2.6.35.1 which is works. But kernel 2.6.35.4 isn't work but is based on the same config and initrd is generated in the same way. I also tried Debian kernel image, but problem is the same. |
| 16:59.41 | ajay | hi all , i have connected usb to serial adapter which is detected as /dev/ttyUSB0 and then i have connected to it a straight null modem cable which i have shorted at 2 and 3 pin number but i am not able print anything in minicom or getting echo of it |
| 17:00.12 | ajay | even if i do minicom it gets stop at step initializing modem |
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| 17:01.14 | Patrunjel | hi |
| 17:01.36 | Nepherius | any ideas why i cant update java ...i installed i again but its still shows the old version ??? |
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| 17:02.40 | st__ | what is 'testing' codename? |
| 17:04.07 | LV-426 | Nepherius, you can install a specific version with something like 'apt-get install pkg-foo=x.x.x' |
| 17:05.18 | Nepherius | well i downloaded and installed it but it still shows the old one |
| 17:06.17 | LV-426 | Nepherius, perhaps you're listing the version of some other java alternative ? |
| 17:06.31 | mjmt | Nepherius: Installed what and how exactly? A package? |
| 17:06.57 | Nepherius | downloaded it from java.com |
| 17:07.07 | mjmt | Figured. |
| 17:07.33 | Nepherius | and did ./jre-6u.. |
| 17:09.50 | mjmt | You didn't have to do that, nor is it the preferred way when Debian has the same or similar software packaged. |
| 17:10.02 | Patrunjel | does anywone code on Topcoder? |
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| 17:10.42 | Nepherius | ok ..so how do i make it work ?:) |
| 17:10.43 | mjmt | Nepherius: wiki.debian.org/Java |
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| 17:11.17 | Nepherius | ok tks |
| 17:11.27 | mjmt | There's a few different implementations to choose from, you don't seem to have a problem with Sun's, so I'd recommend that. |
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| 17:11.41 | heman54 | Oh well |
| 17:11.54 | heman54 | if debian doesnt install on it something else will |
| 17:11.59 | thewanderer1 | hi, how to change network interface name on the fly? I want eth3 to be called eth2. |
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| 17:12.23 | thewanderer1 | downtime would be very unpleasant for the server I'm doing this on |
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| 17:13.23 | thewanderer1 | oh, got it... strange this (ip link set dev eth3 name eth2)... |
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| 17:20.34 | magyarlatin | Hello everyone |
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| 17:21.31 | f8l | Can someone recommend me a program capable of converting flac into ogg while preserving tags? |
| 17:21.40 | Nepherius | damn ..same thing |
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| 17:23.46 | st__ | what is a testing distro code name? |
| 17:24.22 | f8l | st__: Squeeze. |
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| 17:24.35 | st__ | dammit |
| 17:24.46 | mjmt | Nepherius: What's the matter? |
| 17:24.52 | st__ | ca I upgrade it to sid automaticaaly? |
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| 17:25.28 | cahoot | f8l: oggenc doesn't? |
| 17:25.36 | f8l | st__: What do you mean by automatically? And what "it"? |
| 17:25.47 | phorce1_home | wow, gnome is much more "Window$" like than I recall. Can't remove epiphany or evolution neither of which I want to use |
| 17:25.56 | DeathWolf | is there any clear upgrade path for udev? |
| 17:26.01 | DeathWolf | (documented, etc) |
| 17:26.04 | st__ | squuze->sid withput reinstalling |
| 17:26.07 | DeathWolf | since it seems to be breaking for lots of people |
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| 17:26.20 | DeathWolf | (including people going stable->testing) |
| 17:26.31 | mjmt | phorce1_home: You haven't tried very hard then. |
| 17:26.32 | f8l | cahoot: Will check. I think it just gets the sound alone unless tags are specified manually. |
| 17:27.20 | piklu | whats ur choice of preferred IRC client guys ? |
| 17:27.34 | piklu | I want to stick to some that is actively being developed |
| 17:27.39 | piklu | right now using Hydra IRC |
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| 17:28.00 | oracle | will a running aptitude download get hurt if i suspend it? |
| 17:28.02 | phorce1_home | mjmt: trying to aptitude purge wants to remove 'gnome' for both. Might have worked out better if I hadn't used the installer to install "gnome-desktop-environment" |
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| 17:28.20 | phorce1_home | ... when I set this box up |
| 17:28.45 | qq- | !unmarkauro |
| 17:28.52 | qq- | !unmarkauto |
| 17:28.53 | dpkg | Is apt trying to remove packages that it thinks were automatically installed? This happens when you "aptitude install gnome" and then later remove bits of it causing the gnome meta-package to be uninstalled and then all its dependencies. Fix this by running "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" on strategically chosen packages, or reinstall the <metapackage> (apt-get also has unmarkauto from squeeze onwards). |
| 17:28.57 | f8l | cahoot: Works. Thank you. |
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| 17:29.31 | Nepherius | well terminal still says 1.5.0 but at least java.com says v6 20 |
| 17:29.35 | mjmt | phorce1_home: gnome-core meta-package is a bit more lenient. |
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| 17:29.43 | Nepherius | still the last one is 21 :P |
| 17:29.49 | Nepherius | but at least it works now |
| 17:30.53 | phorce1_home | qq-: thx. This is going to be fun. And it all started because gnome-terminal is ignoring my setting for default browser to open links with so I want to remove all browsers except iceweasel and links |
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| 17:32.36 | st__ | can i ungrade squuze->sid withput reinstalling? |
| 17:33.00 | piklu | hey guys |
| 17:33.06 | qq- | !sns |
| 17:33.06 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
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| 17:34.19 | st__ | qq-, was that crap directed on me? |
| 17:34.30 | qq- | sure |
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| 17:35.09 | qq- | !sid |
| 17:35.09 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 17:35.13 | Nepherius | haha i had to reinstall debian like 3 times cuz i keep trying stuff ..i think i have sns :)) |
| 17:36.05 | st__ | is not shiny new shit it's missing translations and tonnes of bugs which are fixed in a new version which is not in stable 3-year old distro and developer CBA to backport it and maintainer CBA to backport it too wtf |
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| 17:36.53 | st__ | say that like if all software is written and new version only new features is lies and hipocrisy |
| 17:36.53 | f8l | st__: CBA? |
| 17:37.00 | st__ | cannot be arsed |
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| 17:38.16 | mjmt | ,versions nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 17:38.17 | judd | Package nvidia-kernel-dkms on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.24-4; sid/non-free: 195.36.31-4; experimental/non-free: 256.53-1 |
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| 17:38.27 | phorce1_home | st__: backport it yourself |
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| 17:38.37 | qq- | !ssb |
| 17:38.37 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 17:38.56 | bsiq | Hi all. I'm a beginner (really) in linux and Started Debian using Graphical Interface. Now I'm having trouble because my wlan0 (Atheros - http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k ) does not detect any wifi conections. I don't know if the driver installed is the correct one or how to fix this. Any one here can help me, please? |
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| 17:39.29 | phorce1_home | bsiq: which kernel are you running? |
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| 17:39.41 | bsiq | phorce1_home: I just installed lenny so I think it's 2.6 |
| 17:40.04 | qq- | !ath5k |
| 17:40.04 | dpkg | [ath5k] a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver for Atheros 802.11a/bg PCI wireless LAN chipsets. Included in Debian kernels since 2.6.24. See http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k for more information and supported devices. For AR5007* devices, ask me about <ar2425>. For 802.11n device support, ask me about <ath9k>. See also <debian-backports>. |
| 17:40.10 | magyarlatin | bsiq: plase paste in here what do you get in a shell with: uname -a |
| 17:40.15 | st__ | now I must turn my machine in developer garbage yard? i don't want to compile anything, I dont have no time nor space for this idiocy.... and noone make backport unless it's important package |
| 17:40.17 | phorce1_home | bsiq: you need to get the 2.6.32bpo kernel. I had the same problem |
| 17:40.37 | bsiq | I tried setting my ESSID and password, but network monitor (in gnome) says "error" http://imagebin.org/115732 |
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| 17:41.28 | eTo_PL | quick question: 1Gb of swap when i have 1,5Gb ram will be planty? + when i will install lanny and squeeze on same hdd i only need one swap partition on that hdd? |
| 17:41.45 | bsiq | magyarlatin: 2.6.26-2-686 bla bla bla |
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| 17:42.07 | syn4pse | eTo_PL yes |
| 17:42.13 | syn4pse | and yes |
| 17:42.13 | syn4pse | ;) |
| 17:42.15 | bsiq | Is this simple enough that I can do, phorce1_home? I'm a noob :P |
| 17:42.33 | magyarlatin | bsiq: what phorce1_home suggest you helps, you need to upgrade to Lenny backports |
| 17:42.38 | phorce1_home | !bdo |
| 17:42.38 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo key> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo kernel> <bdo users> <bdo pinning>. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100905 |
| 17:42.58 | phorce1_home | bsiq: ^^^^ |
| 17:43.09 | jelly-home | ,versions clamav |
| 17:43.11 | judd | Package clamav on i386 -- etch: 0.90.1dfsg-4etch19; etch-security: 0.90.1dfsg-4etch19; lenny: 0.94.dfsg.2-1lenny2; lenny-security: 0.94.dfsg.2-1lenny2; etch-backports: 0.95.2+dfsg-2~bpo40+1; etch-volatile: 0.95.3+dfsg-1~volatile1~etch2; squeeze: 0.96.1+dfsg-1; lenny-volatile: 0.96.3+dfsg-1~volatile1; sid: 0.96.3+dfsg-1 |
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| 17:43.32 | syn4pse | I prefere wicd as a network manager :| |
| 17:43.32 | jelly-home | volatile <3 |
| 17:43.47 | bsiq | thanks phorce1_home! |
| 17:43.48 | eTo_PL | syn4pse, thx, then i think i will (finally) get going with instalation debian :) |
| 17:43.56 | phorce1_home | even though the ath5K factoid says it works since 2.6.24 it really doesn't |
| 17:44.00 | mjmt | !lenny-volatile |
| 17:44.13 | blazex | lolz |
| 17:44.18 | mjmt | !tell me about lenny-volatile |
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| 17:47.01 | bsiq | phorce1_home: I don't have internet conection @ my laptop, which is running debian. Can I download files needed here (windows) then move them there? |
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| 17:49.09 | bsiq | and what package should i get from backports? |
| 17:49.37 | bsiq | oh 2.6.32bpo kerne |
| 17:49.54 | phorce1_home | bsiq: not easily -- it's going to have some depends also |
| 17:51.02 | phorce1_home | bsiq: you'll have to grab the kernel package and try to install it to get the list of depends. Then grab those. Etc. |
| 17:51.33 | bsiq | I see |
| 17:51.36 | bsiq | No .deb then :( |
| 17:51.53 | bsiq | phorce1_home: Where do I get the kernel package? |
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| 17:53.59 | phorce1_home | bsiq: yes, grab the .deb from backports.debian.org |
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| 17:54.11 | st__ | how to setup openbox in debian? |
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| 17:54.38 | phorce1_home | when you try to dpkg -i that .deb it will complain about missing dependencies. Go grab those. |
| 17:54.55 | bsiq | Ok |
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| 17:55.15 | phorce1_home | bsiq: BTW, I'm famous for doing shit the hard way. There is probably an easier way to find/grab all the required packages at once |
| 17:55.28 | phorce1_home | maybe someone else will speak up |
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| 17:56.54 | bsiq | HAHA lol |
| 17:57.06 | bsiq | np It's better the hard wat than no way at all! |
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| 17:57.08 | bsiq | And thanks again! |
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| 17:57.36 | bsiq | argh cant find the package @ backports.debian.org |
| 17:58.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | bsiq, dpkg -i like phorce said, then aptitude -f install, pick a solution where it installs the missing stuff |
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| 17:58.23 | jelly-home | bsiq: connect using wired ethernet, and install the bpo kernel the usual way |
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| 17:59.00 | phorce1_home | CutMeOwnThroat: he's having to grab the bpo 2.6.32 kernel manually. He has no net connection on the machine he is installing stuff on |
| 17:59.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | bsiq, actually, just add backports to your sources.list and install it the regular way |
| 17:59.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | didn't read all |
| 17:59.22 | bsiq | I dont have a way to put internet conection there if not wireless |
| 17:59.24 | phorce1_home | CutMeOwnThroat: no net connection |
| 17:59.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | phorce1_home, oh, so it's going even further back in my backlog than I read |
| 17:59.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | !apt-zip |
| 17:59.38 | dpkg | Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media. Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline> <apt-walkabout>. http://wiki.debian.org/AptZip |
| 17:59.39 | leopex_ | someone knows of a good terminal torrent client? |
| 18:00.08 | jelly-home | leopex_: rtorrent has functionality, but the UI is a bit weird |
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| 18:00.22 | rysiek|pl | leopex_: rtorrent or mldonkey/mlnet |
| 18:00.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | bsiq, you can "/msg dpkg apt-offline" and apt-walkabout and choose what you like best... it probably helps you ease this |
| 18:00.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | (I haven't tried any of them) |
| 18:00.33 | leopex_ | jelly-home: Dows it suport multiple downloads? |
| 18:00.36 | bsiq | ahh thanks |
| 18:00.43 | bsiq | But still can't find the .deb to download lol |
| 18:00.45 | rysiek|pl | leopex_: both support multiple downloads |
| 18:00.58 | leopex_ | Nice =) Ty |
| 18:01.07 | rysiek|pl | leopex_: I prefer mldonkey, as it supports multiple networks/protocols (Bt, ED2k, Kad, Gnutella, etc) |
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| 18:01.13 | phorce1_home | CutMeOwnThroat: he's doing his package downloads with a windows machine |
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| 18:01.33 | bsiq | yep :/ |
| 18:02.46 | bsiq | phorce1_home: Can you tell me the name of the .deb I should download from backports.debian.org? I can't find it :/ |
| 18:02.49 | phorce1_home | bsiq: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image&searchon=names§ion=all&suite=lenny-backports |
| 18:03.31 | phorce1_home | pick the 2.6.32 that matches your arch |
| 18:03.47 | bsiq | lenny-backports (kernel): Linux 2.6 for modern PCs (meta-package) |
| 18:03.47 | bsiq | 2.6.32+27~bpo50+1 [backports]: i386 |
| 18:04.01 | bsiq | That would be it i'm guessing |
| 18:04.08 | bsiq | uname -a returned i686 |
| 18:04.47 | phorce1_home | that would be it then |
| 18:05.08 | phorce1_home | bsiq: use http://backports.debian.org/Packages/ for searching for packages |
| 18:05.34 | bsiq | i didnt know what to search for :P |
| 18:05.37 | bsiq | but thanks heh |
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| 18:08.25 | bsiq | It depend on linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.5-686 O.o |
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| 18:16.46 | sisterdelirious | hi guys. question for you. trying to compile and install xbmc on my debian 5.0.5 installation which I just finished yesterday. Following the instructions at http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=HOW-TO_compile_XBMC_for_Linux_on_Debian/Ubuntu#Build and I find that several of the commands in that help file are erroring out for me. (Make, Build, ./configure, ./bootstrap) is there some reason why these commands are not available/ena |
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| 18:17.27 | flaarg | sisterdelirious: do you have all the depends installed? |
| 18:17.34 | flaarg | there are quite a few |
| 18:18.08 | sisterdelirious | flaarg: I followed all the directions leading up to those, which included doing the sudo apt update (forgive me if i type/remember it wrong.. the correct command was in that help file) which should have brought my dependencies current, i though. |
| 18:18.54 | sisterdelirious | excuse me. it was "sudo aptitude update" which had worked just fine for me. |
| 18:19.02 | st__ | how to enable utf-8 in xterm? |
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| 18:19.08 | sisterdelirious | (did process, no errors or reasons to believe it hadnt worked) |
| 18:19.51 | flaarg | sisterdelirious: it should be something like sudo apt-get install subversion make g++ gcc gawk pmount libtool nasm automake cmake gperf unzip bison libsdl-dev libsdl-image1.2-dev libsdl-gfx1.2-dev libsdl-mixer1.2-dev libsdl-sound1.2-dev libsdl-stretch-dev libfribidi-dev liblzo-dev libfreetype6-dev libsqlite3-dev libogg-dev libasound-dev python-sqlite libglew-dev libcurl4-dev x11proto-xinerama-dev libxinerama-dev libxrandr-dev libxrender-dev ... |
| 18:19.53 | passingby | hi guys, I just found out that torrent files for testing version has been put up under the ftp/http category here http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/bt-cd/ whereas it should have been under the Bittorrent category here http://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/ |
| 18:20.02 | flaarg | ... libmad0-dev libogg-dev libvorbis-dev libmysqlclient-dev libpcre3-dev libdbus-1-dev libhal-dev libhal-storage-dev libjasper-dev libfontconfig-dev libbz2-dev libboost-dev libfaac-dev libenca-dev libxt-dev libxmu-dev libpng-dev libjpeg-dev libpulse-dev mesa-utils |
| 18:20.07 | flaarg | in xbmc |
| 18:20.17 | flaarg | read the README.linux |
| 18:20.22 | sisterdelirious | flaarg: i did install subversion as part of the process leading up to that |
| 18:20.31 | flaarg | you need a bunch of dev packages to compile it |
| 18:20.35 | flaarg | not just subversion |
| 18:20.53 | sisterdelirious | and i cannot seem to read the readme.linux because it is in the "xbmc" directory which is owned by "root" and i can't get at it. which seems stupid since it was me that created it... |
| 18:20.54 | passingby | I have started the jigdo download and it is halfway before I discovered this. I wished I had found this out eaarlier. |
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| 18:21.11 | flaarg | honestly though unless you need to compile it xbmc is available in debian-multimedia |
| 18:21.19 | sisterdelirious | flaarg: i looked for it |
| 18:22.08 | flaarg | ah ok its not in lenny on there |
| 18:22.13 | flaarg | just in squeeze/sid |
| 18:22.36 | flaarg | anyway it should compile if you get all the -dev packages installed you need |
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| 18:23.14 | sisterdelirious | flaarg: following the instructions at the "how to compile xbmc" website, the step I can't get past is the reading of the readme files. I can't access anythign in that folder to read it. how to I gain permission? is there a way for me to login as root? |
| 18:23.29 | sisterdelirious | basically, if I can find out what the list of packages is, then i can install them. |
| 18:23.36 | bsiq | phorce1_home: I think I solved all dependencies and istalled the 2.6.32bpo kernel using the deb packages... Now what? Reboot and retry? |
| 18:23.51 | flaarg | sisterdelirious: I don't know what you did to get that directory as root |
| 18:23.54 | flaarg | but |
| 18:24.01 | flaarg | man su |
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| 18:24.32 | sisterdelirious | flaarg: the directory was created as a result of following the instructions in that file. basically, installing subversion then doing this: svn co https://xbmc.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/xbmc/trunk/ xbmc |
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| 18:24.48 | sisterdelirious | why it should be locked/owned by root is beyond me, but then i'm a newbie and everything is beyond me. |
| 18:25.58 | sisterdelirious | is there a way to take ownership/permissions of things? because it shouldn't be so hard to just either a) login as root or b) take ownership of the directory... i just don't know how to do either. |
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| 18:26.51 | amphi | sisterdelirious: su and enter the root password to become root |
| 18:27.08 | amphi | sisterdelirious: chown to change ownership |
| 18:27.45 | sisterdelirious | ok. so i'm "root" in terminal. don't know how to oepn the readme file, though tried gedit but it just opens empty |
| 18:28.22 | bsiq | sisterdelirious: open gedit, then inside gedit click "open" and look for the file |
| 18:28.24 | amphi | less README |
| 18:28.45 | amphi | less is a pager |
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| 18:30.44 | ToXBoT | sisterdelirious: did you try pico FILENAME ? |
| 18:31.12 | sisterdelirious | ok. that got the file open. now, the list of dependencies is found,b ut when I copy-paste that selection, it seems that it errors because I'm not using a command, or not using it properly. What is the command for acquiring/compiling dependencies? |
| 18:31.34 | Nepherius | anyone here using playonlinux ? |
| 18:31.46 | bsiq | phorce1_home: SOLVED! Thanks again! :D |
| 18:33.55 | ToXBoT | sisterdelirious: Can you pastebin the errors? |
| 18:34.24 | bsiq | Horrible speed though :/ |
| 18:34.26 | sisterdelirious | hmmm. it just seems like all the "help" assumes that either a) I already know how to add a respository or b) I'm on ubuntu specifically and therefore the commands they are listing on their "how to" are available to me |
| 18:34.30 | ToXBoT | sisterdelirious: Command to build dependency tree is apt-get build-dep PACKAGENAME |
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| 18:35.36 | sisterdelirious | toxbot: it was pretty hefty but here's a sample: twomoons:/home/sisterd/xbmc# Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 7.0.50), quilt, python-support, cmake, |
| 18:35.36 | sisterdelirious | bash: syntax error near unexpected token `(' |
| 18:35.37 | ToXBoT | sisterdelirious: Can you solve a captcha for me, I doubt you're a bot, lol |
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| 18:36.01 | ToXBoT | sisterdelirious: oic |
| 18:36.05 | sisterdelirious | # sudo apt-get build-dep xbmc |
| 18:36.06 | sisterdelirious | E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 18:36.06 | sisterdelirious | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? |
| 18:36.08 | mjmt | ToXBoT: What, no that gets the dependencies you need to build PACKAGENAME. |
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| 18:40.19 | sisterdelirious | when i do sudo apt-get build-dep xbmc i get the result: Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... DoneE: Unable to find a source package for xbmc |
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| 18:40.50 | amphi | that's because xbmc is not in lenny |
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| 18:41.58 | ToXBoT | mjmt: oh, thanks for correcting me. |
| 18:42.10 | phorce1_home | bsiq: good job (I was AFK). ath5k still has a few ... issues. Lot's of "ath5k phy0: unsupported jumbo" in dmesg and sometimes it just 'goes away' requiring ifconfig wlan0 down then up to get itconnected again |
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| 18:44.02 | bsiq | O.o |
| 18:44.12 | bsiq | I'm having terrible perfromance, but at least it works |
| 18:46.33 | sisterdelirious | trying to follow instructions on how to add the xbmc repository, it seems that this repository is only available for ubuntu linux users... aka they do not have other-than-ubuntu links with instructions., and, when I use their command to add the repo, i get errors that these commands don't exist. e.g., "add-apt-repository ppa:team-xbmc/ppa" gets "bash add-apt-repository: command not found" |
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| 18:47.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | don't try to install ubuntu packages into Debian |
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| 18:49.09 | sisterdelirious | but it shouldn't be just an ubuntu package. it is supposed to be available for linux and it specified debian as an option |
| 18:49.16 | sisterdelirious | it's just that the install instructions are specific to ubuntu |
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| 18:49.36 | sisterdelirious | i am told that unstable installs of debian (sid) have access to xbmc |
| 18:49.38 | phorce1_home | bsiq: Mine performs great. I see download speeds hitting 2000=KiB/sec when I don't have other machines hogging the line. My Internet connection is rated at 15mb/sec but speed tests show it hitting 24mb/sec since I'm the only one on the line in my neighborhood. |
| 18:50.00 | sisterdelirious | i just don't know how to add a repository to DEBIAN yet, and these ppa instructions are for UBUNTU. |
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| 18:51.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions xbmc |
| 18:51.17 | judd | Package xbmc on i386 -- sid-multimedia: 9.11-0.8; squeeze-multimedia: 9.11-0.8 |
| 18:51.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | that is because the repositories are for ubuntu |
| 18:52.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | you wouldn't try to put an Audi A3 or whatever windscreen into your VW beetle either, would you? |
| 18:52.55 | nsadmin | sisterdelirious, the repos would basically function (meaning the ubuntu packages would download) but the content of those packages would screw up a debian install |
| 18:53.01 | amphi | sisterdelirious: do you know that xbmc will build on lenny at all? ie. suitable versions of required libraries etc. |
| 18:53.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | I also have my severe doubts about that... |
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| 18:53.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | here's a guy who said he got it to run on lenny http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?t=41582 |
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| 18:54.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | but he's as vague as you can possibly be about it... |
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| 18:54.17 | sisterdelirious | well, here's the thing. I am told that xbmc is installable on debian. I am not able to find instructions which are specific to debian. I do find in all the searching that documentation online supports the theory that it should be installable on debian. So, I'm just trying to find out how. i don't care to waste effort arguing about how the instructions are for square holes, i'm interested in spending effort finding instructions |
| 18:54.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | "I installed some random -dev packages that I cannot remember and then some" |
| 18:54.29 | nsadmin | if you can get the right dev env installed, you can build a lot of things... debian/ubuntu/knoppix/other based-on-debian would make that harder |
| 18:54.43 | amphi | sisterdelirious: if you _really_ want xbmc (and can't be content with mplayer and/or whatever), it might be easier to upgrade to testing - of course, that has its own pitfalls |
| 18:54.44 | jhutchins_lt | Ubuntu being based on squeeze ++ it would be hard to get the dependencies right too. |
| 18:55.09 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah, squeeze is currently known to fail on several graphical chipsets. |
| 18:55.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | sisterdelirious, and we save you time by telling you which ways it doesn't work... aint that nice of us |
| 18:55.25 | sisterdelirious | amphi: the whole point of having a linux box is to use it as my home theater system. And while mplayer may work for playing video files, it's hardly an HTPC |
| 18:55.46 | amphi | doesn't know what an HTPC is |
| 18:55.49 | jhutchins_lt | sisterdelirious: Have you looked at boxee and mythtv? |
| 18:56.02 | sisterdelirious | i wasnt trying to say you arent nice, cmot, i was trying to say how do i get to my desired end state? |
| 18:56.03 | jhutchins_lt | Home Theater Personal Computer |
| 18:56.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | there are some more concrete instructions in the posts below, though |
| 18:56.18 | sisterdelirious | HTPC = home theater personal computer |
| 18:56.19 | amphi | jhutchins_lt: ah, thanks |
| 18:56.25 | jhutchins_lt | sisterdelirious: Yes, and we were admiting we're not helping much. |
| 18:56.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | sisterdelirious, how about you look at the link I pasted? At least that's debian-specific |
| 18:56.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | although it could work a bit on the specific part |
| 18:56.56 | jhutchins_lt | CutMeOwnThroat: Too many dependencies for a ssb? |
| 18:56.59 | sisterdelirious | jhutchins_lt: I'm using plex on my mac, and it's based on xbmc, which is why I was looking mostly just at xbmc -- the (suppopsed) familiarity/similarity with my existing system. |
| 18:57.16 | nsadmin | sisterdelirious, you -could- try squeeze on a separate set of partitions |
| 18:57.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins_lt, haven't tried... should be the same ones as in this post |
| 18:57.26 | jhutchins_lt | sisterdelirious: I get by with amarok and mplayer. |
| 18:57.43 | sisterdelirious | i missed that link.. going ack to it now |
| 18:57.59 | jhutchins_lt | Not being familiar with xmbc, I wouldn't know which feature sets were important to you. |
| 18:58.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins_lt, but I had bad experiences trying for miro 3 and ekiga.... this smells a bit like that, too |
| 18:59.21 | sisterdelirious | ok. I could use some help on breaking down his step 3 into actionable items (for a newbie who doesnt know how yet): "3) Edit the /etc/apt/sources.list file to add contrib and non-free" |
| 18:59.22 | jhutchins_lt | looks like it's an amarok like app that includes video management. |
| 18:59.39 | jhutchins_lt | !sources |
| 18:59.39 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 19:00.20 | jhutchins_lt | sisterdelirious: Where it says "main", put main contrib non-free |
| 19:00.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins_lt, should we tell him about ssb and how to apply it to dmm? I can't stick around for ages if that doesn't work out |
| 19:00.29 | jhutchins_lt | !dmm |
| 19:00.29 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>. |
| 19:00.46 | jhutchins_lt | CutMeOwnThroat: I'll be in and out, gotta rewire the trailer harness on the truck. |
| 19:00.47 | adamska | from which package come from the file in /usr/include/ ? |
| 19:00.59 | nsadmin | sisterdelirious, I could teach you how to analyse a line in sources, and to examine a mirror to determine what the possible source lines are |
| 19:01.16 | nsadmin | but that would be wayyy more than you're currently asking for |
| 19:01.27 | sisterdelirious | jhutchins_lt: the whole concept of having the linux box be like a jukebox, where my iphone can be the remote and i can, using the "remote" turn it on, shuffle through the library looking at splash pages/listening to theme music to make my selection of what video/film/tv/movie to show, and hitting "play" and it showing, regardless of what format is used is the desired end state. basically, a seamless theater system which is not |
| 19:02.21 | nsadmin | you would actually have to make a phone call with the iphone to remote your theater?? |
| 19:02.31 | jhutchins_lt | !show elisa |
| 19:02.47 | nsadmin | , show elisa |
| 19:02.55 | nsadmin | , info elisa |
| 19:02.57 | judd | Package elisa (gnome, optional) in lenny/i386: media center solution - runtime executables. Version: 0.3.5-3; Size: 102.2k; Installed: 216k; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/elisa |
| 19:03.34 | jhutchins_lt | sisterdelirious: That looks like something that's already integrated into Debian. |
| 19:03.50 | nsadmin | what if the bot could be programmed to pastebin larger results |
| 19:03.53 | jhutchins_lt | sisterdelirious: I'd look at boxee and mythtv just to see which apps they use and how they integrate. |
| 19:03.55 | sisterdelirious | ok so basically copy this: 'deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main' and pase/edit another instance to say this: 'deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free' ? should I do that as well for the src version as well? |
| 19:04.23 | jhutchins_lt | Nono, all on the same line. |
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| 19:04.30 | nsadmin | sisterdelirious, well just add contrib non-free to the existing line |
| 19:04.49 | jhutchins_lt | I keep the src lines but comment them out unless I need source for something, makes updates fractionally quicker. |
| 19:04.53 | nsadmin | OR have three lines with lenny main, lenny contrib, lenny non-free |
| 19:05.10 | jhutchins_lt | Single line is more efficient. |
| 19:05.20 | thewanderer1 | how well is Blu-Ray supported in Debian? should I buy a BD drive or stick to DVD? |
| 19:05.24 | dvs | one line is preferred |
| 19:05.30 | nsadmin | but multiple lines will affect what can be downloaded simultaneously |
| 19:05.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | sisterdelirious, if squeeze works for your graphics card, the easiest would be to upgrade to squeeze and install it from debian-multimedia.... of course if things break during the upgrade.... |
| 19:05.37 | jhutchins_lt | !dmm lenny |
| 19:05.37 | dpkg | To add the debian-multimedia repository run (as root) # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ lenny main non-free" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; aptitude update && aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring && aptitude update. For an alternative way to load Marillat's archive key, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. |
| 19:05.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's not in dmm lenny |
| 19:05.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's only there from squeeze on |
| 19:06.01 | sisterdelirious | ok "all on the same line" means, just append "contrib non-free" to the line that ends with "main"? |
| 19:06.09 | sisterdelirious | ok got it |
| 19:06.13 | nsadmin | yeah |
| 19:06.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | which suggests to me, that he couldn't compile it on lenny (at least not the same way he did for squeeze= |
| 19:06.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions xbmc |
| 19:06.48 | judd | Package xbmc on i386 -- sid-multimedia: 9.11-0.8; squeeze-multimedia: 9.11-0.8 |
| 19:06.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | there, see? |
| 19:07.16 | nsadmin | yeah, we saw that before |
| 19:07.28 | sisterdelirious | ok made the changes but it now says there's an error when trying to save the file? |
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| 19:07.41 | dvs | sisterdelirious: change it as root |
| 19:07.42 | nsadmin | what error? |
| 19:07.51 | sisterdelirious | and, jhutchins--- you said something about something being available in debian, i think in relation to my description of a home theater? |
| 19:08.08 | jhutchins_lt | sisterdelirious: Looks like there is both elisa and mythtv is packaged for Debian. |
| 19:08.23 | nsadmin | yes and mythtv is in lenny iirc |
| 19:08.42 | nsadmin | but I thougth mythtv was just a dvr in software |
| 19:08.43 | jhutchins_lt | elisa is a multimedia jukebox, and yes nsadmin in lenny. |
| 19:08.43 | Runeg | If I have multiple external USB drives connected, how can I force them to pick up the same /dev/sd* device? I plan on mirroring two of the 4 attached. As it stands, the USB devices randomly mount to /dev/sd* |
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| 19:08.51 | sisterdelirious | and, I am familiar wi9th boxee, which is definitely an htpc but is much more enabled/powerful for a person who wants to/will be using a lot of live broadcast type feeds.w hich, I wont. It seems in my 2 years with plex that the xbmc/plex solution is capable of the live feed stuff but particularly good for folks like me who have a lot, lot of digital content in an existing library. |
| 19:09.05 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: It's got a bunch of pluggins, must admit I haven't played with it. |
| 19:09.09 | sirtophat | is the php installer in apt-get currently broken |
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| 19:09.20 | sisterdelirious | ok. i don't know bunk about mythtv, willing to give it a try. how would i go about getting it? |
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| 19:09.39 | jhutchins_lt | sisterdelirious: Definitely check out elisa then, it looks more mature. |
| 19:09.43 | nsadmin | you could just try installing it |
| 19:09.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell Runeg -about udev rules |
| 19:09.49 | sisterdelirious | ok elisa is a new name to me, too. |
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| 19:10.03 | nsadmin | oh, what video card do you have? how do you get external stuff into the card |
| 19:10.04 | jhutchins_lt | sirtophat: No. |
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| 19:10.21 | piklu | hey guys |
| 19:10.24 | piklu | wazzzz up ?? |
| 19:10.33 | nsadmin | sky |
| 19:10.34 | jhutchins_lt | sisterdelirious: aptitude install mythtv - but you might hunt around on the wiki first. |
| 19:10.38 | jhutchins_lt | !mythtv |
| 19:10.38 | dpkg | MythTV is software to turn a Linux box into a complete multi-media entertainment recording and playback center supporting - given the right hardware - TV, movies, music, and more. Not in Debian due to <non-free> parts. Unofficial packages can be found in <debian-multimedia>. For tuner card drivers, ask me about <ivtv> and <bttv>. http://www.mythtv.org/ #mythtv-users on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 19:11.01 | sirtophat | the last time I set up a webserver on Debian, it was enough for me to apt-get install apache2 and libapache2-mod-php5, but apparently not any more |
| 19:11.06 | Runeg | CutMeOwnThroat, ty |
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| 19:11.27 | phorce1_home | wants a 'jukebox' that will do both audio and video in a single playlist. And use a database backend like Amarok that allows more sophisticated 'on the fly' playlist creation than having to pre-create flat-file lists |
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| 19:11.52 | nsadmin | hmm. what would be a good card to get |
| 19:11.52 | jhutchins_lt | sirtophat: Generally we recommend aptitude, which will handle dependencies better, but there's nothing that currently doesn't work about it. |
| 19:11.54 | sirtophat | php files are just shown as plain text now, and they say in #httpd it's not an issue with httpd anymore, it's an issue with debian |
| 19:12.01 | sirtophat | ok |
| 19:12.30 | jhutchins_lt | sirtophat: Take a look at modules-enabled and the documentation, it's trivial enough that I don't remember the details from the last one I set up, it just worked. |
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| 19:13.06 | jhutchins_lt | !tell sirtophat about install php |
| 19:15.11 | cafaro | Hi, just installed Debian Squeeze on my laptop, but when I run single-user mode, debian just freezes, with "ata2.00: ATA-8: TOSHIBA MK5055GSX, FG001M, max UDMA/100" as last msg, only way to get out of this, is by holding the power button. Anyone could help me with this? |
| 19:15.11 | jhutchins_lt | sirtophat: Debian is the most widely used platform for webservers, so there's a pretty good chance whatever you want just works on it, it's a matter of figuring it out. |
| 19:15.35 | jhutchins_lt | cafaro: Does lennny work? |
| 19:15.36 | sirtophat | it worked fine on Ubuntu a month ago |
| 19:16.00 | sirtophat | I wish apt-get purge actually purged everything |
| 19:16.02 | jhutchins_lt | sirtophat: ubuntu is not debian, and there is a reason debian and not ubuntu is the webserver platform of choice. |
| 19:16.25 | cafaro | jhutchins_lt, last time it did, so did squeeze, this was before my damaged HDD was replaced. |
| 19:16.30 | sisterdelirious | ok. well elisa did show up in synaptic so that is now installed. mythtv and boxee did not, however. |
| 19:16.56 | sisterdelirious | will be checking out elisa. if it works, then the whole xbmc fiasco can just be over. |
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| 19:17.12 | jhutchins_lt | cafaro: Odd. I'd try a lenny install, but I'd also make sure the hardware is properly seated. |
| 19:17.12 | sisterdelirious | (if it works as a solution for me, more than just if it works as in, runs.) |
| 19:17.19 | mjmt | sirtophat: It is just a matter of enabling the php5 module with a2enmod, like jhutchins_lt said earlier. |
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| 19:17.59 | jhutchins_lt | sisterdelirious: They're in the multimedia repository, /msg dpkg dmm |
| 19:18.05 | sirtophat | mjmt, when I check it with a2enmod it says it's running |
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| 19:18.08 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 19:18.12 | jhutchins_lt | !boxee |
| 19:18.18 | cafaro | jhutchins_lt: seated? |
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| 19:18.31 | lenswipe | im looking for something to convert a mysql database to YAML for doctrine, can someone point me to something thats in the lenny repos? |
| 19:18.33 | jhutchins_lt | cafaro: Connections plugged all the way in. You'd be surprized. |
| 19:18.46 | abrotman | lenswipe: you might get a better answer in #mysql |
| 19:19.00 | lenswipe | abrotman, i asked there too, lets see what that throws up |
| 19:19.02 | petemc | sirtophat: clear your browser cache |
| 19:19.10 | lenswipe | abrotman, aparently not |
| 19:19.10 | lenswipe | <thumbs> lenswipe: we don't support the lenny repos. |
| 19:19.11 | sisterdelirious | ok. any ideas why i get a write/save error when trying to save my updated sources.list? |
| 19:19.18 | jhutchins_lt | sisterdelirious: I think boxee is more of an application suite/distribution than an application. |
| 19:19.27 | lenswipe | abrotman, any other ideas? |
| 19:19.29 | jhutchins_lt | sisterdelirious: Are you root? |
| 19:19.33 | abrotman | lenswipe: that wasn't really part of the question .. but whatever .. #mysql isn't very useful |
| 19:19.37 | cafaro | jhutchins_lt: I think it is, because I have windows on the same disk, but I'll check anyway |
| 19:19.40 | abrotman | the version of mysql is irrelevant |
| 19:19.50 | lenswipe | abrotman, so why send me there? |
| 19:19.52 | sisterdelirious | jhutchins: yes, i am |
| 19:19.52 | sirtophat | petemc, I've done that |
| 19:20.07 | sisterdelirious | actually, in terminal i am. in abiword, no idea if i am or not. |
| 19:20.10 | sirtophat | I've tried it in different browsers on my two pcs |
| 19:20.11 | mjmt | sirtophat: And I assume you restarted apache? |
| 19:20.18 | abrotman | lenswipe: i said to also ask there .. IMHO, you shouldn't be using mysql at all |
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| 19:21.07 | sirtophat | yes |
| 19:21.08 | sisterdelirious | ok i think that fixed it. had to actually make abiword open by way of a command in terminal. |
| 19:21.08 | jhutchins_lt | ,show sqlfairy |
| 19:21.25 | sirtophat | I just removed every directory relating to apache or php and apt-get purged them |
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| 19:21.30 | lenswipe | abrotman, well i am, so thats the way it is |
| 19:21.36 | lenswipe | abrotman, what would you have me use |
| 19:21.43 | abrotman | sorry about your luck, have a nice day |
| 19:21.45 | jhutchins_lt | sirtophat: Did you read the php install factoid from dpkg? |
| 19:21.51 | nsadmin | I'd suggest you consider postgres |
| 19:21.57 | lenswipe | abrotman, "IMHO, you shouldn't be using mysql at all" |
| 19:22.02 | lenswipe | what do you suggest then if not mysql? |
| 19:22.06 | nsadmin | I'd suggest you consider postgres |
| 19:22.09 | abrotman | anything pretty much |
| 19:22.18 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: Aptitude show sqlfairy - that might have something you could use. |
| 19:22.21 | petemc | mysql on dell servers 4tw |
| 19:22.30 | abrotman | heh |
| 19:22.37 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt, sqlfairy is flatfile? |
| 19:22.41 | lenswipe | ah right |
| 19:22.51 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: Look it up, no idea. |
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| 19:23.01 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: Supposedly utilities that have something to do with yaml. |
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| 19:23.08 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt, its perl |
| 19:23.10 | lenswipe | no use to me |
| 19:23.13 | nsadmin | are you writing your own app involving sql? |
| 19:23.23 | thewanderer1 | I'd suggest SQLite... |
| 19:23.50 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: I think you're expecting us to understand far more of your requirements than you have explained. |
| 19:23.51 | abrotman | you asked for a tool to do it, you were given one .. now it's useless because it's perl ? |
| 19:25.36 | jhutchins_lt | Isn't that "programmable extraction and reporting language"? Pertty much designed for manipulating data from one format to another? |
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| 19:25.56 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: stop making sense |
| 19:26.05 | jhutchins_lt | Yessir, trailer wiring it is. |
| 19:26.13 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt, i have a mysql database, im using symfony and need to convert the structure of the mysql database into yaml that i can use with symfony |
| 19:26.22 | nsadmin | well it's that due to its roots but is a hell of a lot more now |
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| 19:27.24 | nsadmin | lenswipe: then your first task is to examine the data model and see how things are put together |
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| 19:31.18 | lenswipe | nsadmin, i dont follow |
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| 19:31.54 | nsadmin | lenswipe: you say you have data in a mysql db? |
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| 19:32.11 | nsadmin | breaks it down :) |
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| 19:32.54 | lenswipe | nsadmin, yes, but im not too bothered about that right now |
| 19:32.56 | thewanderer1 | is there any free/open english-to-english dictionary that I could get and carry offline (pendrive, hard disk, etc)? |
| 19:32.58 | lenswipe | this is just for structure |
| 19:33.09 | abrotman | english to english ? |
| 19:33.19 | lenswipe | thewanderer1, its called a thesaurus, youll find it in the reference section of most libraries |
| 19:33.21 | thewanderer1 | yes, I need definitions to words |
| 19:33.36 | abrotman | so you want a regular dictionary? |
| 19:33.47 | thewanderer1 | I already carry a laptop so I thought carrying my Penguin Dictionary which weighs 3kg is rather impractical |
| 19:34.03 | nsadmin | lenswipe, and you want to put that data so it's stored by a different app? |
| 19:34.09 | thewanderer1 | but well... as close to a regular dictionary as I could get... fast searching would be a plus, too |
| 19:34.27 | thewanderer1 | I just can't be online at all times with the laptop |
| 19:34.35 | amphi | thewanderer1: a local dictd and whatever dictionaries you like - I like dict-devil |
| 19:34.55 | amphi | thewanderer1: then you just do 'dict whatever' |
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| 19:34.59 | emerson | hi |
| 19:35.08 | thewanderer1 | amphi: sounds nice, I'll check that out |
| 19:35.44 | Bushmills | wordnet may be a good complement to dict |
| 19:35.55 | nsadmin | I am still willing to break this down... but not if you're slow to reply (indicating you're probably not interested) |
| 19:36.17 | lenswipe | nsadmin, no i want to get the structure of the database so i can work with the same database |
| 19:36.21 | lenswipe | nsadmin, using symfony |
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| 19:36.30 | emerson | how do I install packets with bz2 extension.? |
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| 19:36.38 | nsadmin | so you want symfony to talk to mysql>? |
| 19:36.43 | lenswipe | nsadmin, yes |
| 19:36.52 | lenswipe | and i want it to grab the structure of the databse specifically |
| 19:37.00 | thewanderer1 | emerson: these are tarballs, and usually contain source codes... |
| 19:37.02 | amphi | thewanderer1: 'apt-cache search dict-' will display a bunch of dictionaries that dictd can use |
| 19:37.07 | nsadmin | ok, establishing that talking is one of your first tasks... |
| 19:37.17 | mjmt | emerson: bunzip2, or the j option to tar. |
| 19:37.31 | emerson | how shall I install it ? |
| 19:37.43 | nsadmin | but you also need to understand the structure of the database and apply it to use of this symfony thing |
| 19:37.54 | amphi | thewanderer1: dict-gcide is one you'll want I expect |
| 19:37.57 | abrotman | emerson: thta's likely not a package .. it's source that would need to be compiled .. what software i sthis ? |
| 19:38.01 | emerson | they are all in my desktop right now ..but I can't install them using the terminal.. |
| 19:38.09 | lenswipe | nsadmin, actually its not, the first task is setting out the structure of my database |
| 19:38.32 | emerson | abrotman: but how shall I compile it ? |
| 19:38.32 | amphi | thewanderer1: a local dictd is extremely useful, I find - there in a shell when you want, no mucking about with browsers |
| 19:38.35 | abrotman | nsadmin: maybe you don't understand his needs .. |
| 19:38.42 | abrotman | emerson: what software is it? |
| 19:38.45 | nsadmin | maybe not |
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| 19:39.13 | Bushmills | the dict-gcide dictionary is also usable with a GUI called ding, instead of a dict server+client |
| 19:39.15 | emerson | abrotman: firefox, flashplugin and one for pascal that I need for study |
| 19:39.18 | thewanderer1 | amphi: yeah, that's what I wanted... the gcide seems to be pretty outdated judging from the package description |
| 19:39.25 | amphi | thewanderer1: dict-wn too, I would think |
| 19:39.38 | abrotman | emerson: debian has iceweasel (for firefox), backports.org has flash, and i believe there is a pascal compiler also |
| 19:39.44 | thewanderer1 | how hard on resources is dictd? |
| 19:40.07 | LV-426 | thewanderer1, you can always download wiktionary - http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Help:FAQ#Downloading_Wiktionary |
| 19:40.22 | nsadmin | and, he says he has existing data, that data is structured somehow, if he is to get access to it from some other app, he has to establish communication and write the queries, which he can't do without knowing what the tables are and how they relate to each other |
| 19:40.23 | emerson | abrotman: I tryed but I didn't succeed... |
| 19:40.24 | amphi | thewanderer1: negligible; it does bugger all most of the time |
| 19:40.31 | thewanderer1 | LV-426: thanks! |
| 19:40.32 | abrotman | emerson: tried what? |
| 19:40.44 | abrotman | emerson: which version fo debian do you have? |
| 19:40.55 | abrotman | nsadmin: yes .. you're lost .. give up now |
| 19:41.17 | amphi | thewanderer1: it's using less than 600kb here ATM |
| 19:41.17 | emerson | abrotman:install the softwares in the way that you just told .... |
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| 19:41.36 | emerson | abrotman:5.0 |
| 19:41.46 | Bushmills | thewanderer1: http://scarydevilmonastery.net/snap/1285530075293616319d.png |
| 19:41.58 | abrotman | emerson: aptitude install iceweasel .. it's pretty easy |
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| 19:42.53 | emerson | abrotman: the iceweasel is already here but I can't put the plugins like flash for instance... |
| 19:42.53 | poprocks | I wish netscape4 would still run on modern Linuces without segfaulting |
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| 19:43.21 | amphi | poprocks: you miss statically linked motif? ;) |
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| 19:43.30 | poprocks | amphi: hahah, yeah |
| 19:43.36 | nsadmin | lenswipe, well I tried... but apparantly I still don't get what you want |
| 19:43.40 | thewanderer1 | Bushmills: 128M virt looks scary :) |
| 19:43.41 | abrotman | emerson: yes .. it can .. multiple different ways .. |
| 19:43.50 | poprocks | I'm weird... like jwz, I like to run old browsers every now and again |
| 19:43.50 | abrotman | !tell emerson about adobe flash |
| 19:44.35 | emerson | abrotman: could you explain me how do I compile the tarballs, please ..? |
| 19:44.54 | abrotman | no .. it's a bad idea .. they have installation manuals if you still want to use them |
| 19:45.21 | emerson | abrotman:I do where ..? I need to learn it ..as well... |
| 19:45.44 | thewanderer1 | emerson: is there a file called README? or INSTALL? it means you should read them :) |
| 19:45.52 | poprocks | emerson: you don't need to compile any tarballs... if flash is the problem, there's nothing for you to compile anyway |
| 19:45.56 | abrotman | emerson: it is MUCH smarter to use packages .. you do not need to compile anything |
| 19:46.43 | emerson | I know guys that I'm a bit silly because I cannot do it ..that's why I'm here asking for help... |
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| 19:46.59 | emerson | I tryed really ... |
| 19:47.10 | poprocks | emerson: 64-bit or 32-bit? |
| 19:47.25 | lenswipe | nsadmin, well im reading the documentation for symfony and it says that the first step is to create a YAML schema for your databse, since i already have a database surely it would make sense to convert the existing one into a YAML schema rather than type it manually |
| 19:47.26 | emerson | 32 |
| 19:47.27 | abrotman | packages exist .. use htem |
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| 19:48.28 | emerson | abrotman: I used the terminal to install as you said but I couldn't managed it .. |
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| 19:48.43 | abrotman | works for tons of people .. |
| 19:48.45 | emerson | poprocks:32 |
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| 19:49.24 | nkuttler | emerson: so which commands did you use? |
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| 19:49.26 | Nepherius | dose gnomenu work ok on debian ? |
| 19:49.28 | poprocks | emerson: it's easy as pie then.... and people here have already told you what to do. 'apt-get install iceweasel' for firefox |
| 19:49.48 | nsadmin | lenswipe, or to have it write one |
| 19:49.48 | abrotman | poprocks: he already has that .. says he can't install flash in iceweasel .. which isn't true |
| 19:50.02 | poprocks | emerson: and for flash there are several methods you could use. Personally I prefer to just download the flashplugin from adobe and manually put it in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins |
| 19:50.10 | lenswipe | nsadmin, thats what i mean by "type it manually" |
| 19:50.26 | emerson | poprocks: I had done this the iceweasel is already installed but without plugins .. |
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| 19:51.20 | poprocks | I shouldn't have jumped into this conversation since I haven't used debian in like 5 years |
| 19:51.29 | abrotman | good plan |
| 19:51.50 | nsadmin | lenswipe, so those are your choices... maybe it makes sense to write the thing yourself and get it overwith... unless you can cause mysql to somehow write out its structure in a way that yaml would accept |
| 19:52.01 | nsadmin | and do it in much less time |
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| 19:52.25 | emerson | nkuttler: apt-get install <software> but I can't put the plugis...even aftar put the path using nano editor |
| 19:52.49 | abrotman | emerson: for the flash? did you read the instructions at backports.org ? |
| 19:52.54 | Nepherius | anyone tried GnoMenu on debian ? |
| 19:53.07 | nsadmin | whether you have more or less than 10 tables, it makes sense to ask the question "what is the highest, best use of your time right now" |
| 19:53.29 | emerson | abrotman: yes I did...more then once .. |
| 19:53.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | sex, drugs and rock&roll? |
| 19:53.36 | abrotman | probably not talking to nsadmin :) |
| 19:53.53 | abrotman | emerson: aptitude -t lenny-backports install flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 19:55.43 | bsiq | ops |
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| 19:57.37 | emerson | abrotman: I did I stil can see a video for instance ..in my web browser ... |
| 19:57.52 | abrotman | a video? you have to restart all your browsers |
| 19:57.53 | emerson | abrotman: can't I mean... |
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| 20:01.23 | emerson | abrotman: yes I did ... |
| 20:01.43 | abrotman | update-alternatives --config flash-mozilla.so |
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| 20:02.52 | emerson | abrotman: look what I have done : #nano /etc/apt/sources.list>deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free>#apt-get update>#apt-get -t etch-backports install âpackagenameâ |
| 20:03.14 | abrotman | etch is not lenny |
| 20:03.14 | phorce1_home | etch? |
| 20:03.20 | abrotman | you said you were using 5.0 |
| 20:03.28 | abrotman | did you read the instructions at backports.org ? |
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| 20:03.53 | emerson | abrotman: yeah ..that's the one I'm using ... |
| 20:03.57 | sirtophat | is there a known issue with a preinstalled apache2 from a netinst cd causing issues for future apache or php installations |
| 20:04.06 | abrotman | emerson: etch is not 5.0 |
| 20:04.13 | phorce1_home | http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 20:04.19 | nsadmin | etch may not be supported here... you might consider upgrading |
| 20:04.25 | emerson | abrotman: I know is lenny... |
| 20:04.51 | emerson | abrotman: I changed.....I put lenny instead ... |
| 20:04.52 | abrotman | you put etch .. read what you wrote above .. try actually reading instructions at backports.org instead of some random website that is three years old |
| 20:05.20 | nsadmin | then you need to carefully follow the upgrade instructions in the release notes |
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| 20:05.53 | thewanderer1 | is it possible to burn multi-session blu-ray discs as it was possible with multi-session CD/DVD? |
| 20:06.06 | jhutchins_lt | sirtophat: As I said earlier, just wroks for most of us. |
| 20:06.17 | sisterdelirious | hi guys. question for you... is ther ea reason that firefox is not an option in synaptic, and that after i manually installed it from mozilla's website, it does not appear in my applications list? Will I always have to navigate to the folder on my hd and launch it from there? |
| 20:06.48 | nsadmin | sisterdelirious, in current versions of debian it's called iceweasel |
| 20:07.07 | jhutchins_lt | !why iceweasel |
| 20:07.07 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933. Ask me about <dfsg>. |
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| 20:08.32 | jhutchins_lt | never did make it out to the truck, had to detour through plumbing. |
| 20:09.18 | sisterdelirious | hmmm. ok. so iceweasel =/= firefox. ok. i can just adapt to using "iceweasel" that's fine. |
| 20:10.00 | nsadmin | there's some rumbling about the mozilla company allowing it again; not sure what's happening with that exactly |
| 20:10.05 | sisterdelirious | any reason i shouldn't just use the default browser installed with debian, "epiphany"? or is iceweasel going to just be a different name but have all the familiar/desired functionality of firefox? |
| 20:10.13 | jhutchins_lt | sisterdelirious: I've aliased firefox to it so I can call it either way. |
| 20:10.28 | sisterdelirious | jhutchins how does one do that? |
| 20:10.39 | nsadmin | sisterdelirious, why not? you can use epiphany |
| 20:10.45 | jhutchins_lt | sisterdelirious: iceweasel IS firefox with the name and logos changed, that's all. |
| 20:11.06 | sisterdelirious | i guess the question is does epiphany have the same functionality. e.g., can i put search plugins at the top right like i do/did in firefox |
| 20:11.20 | sisterdelirious | i think iceweasel is my anser. |
| 20:11.52 | sirtophat | I hope I don't have to reinstall the whole OS |
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| 20:12.41 | jhutchins_lt | sisterdelirious: Actually, it appears that /usr/bin/firefox is a script that calls iceweasel. |
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| 20:13.17 | poprocks | sirtophat: you're having issues with web server software and you're wondering if you need to reinstall the whole OS to fix it? Dude... |
| 20:13.31 | sisterdelirious | so me downloading firefox from mozilla just gave me a file to point to iceweasel? |
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| 20:13.42 | sirtophat | nothing else has had a sign of helping it at all |
| 20:13.53 | poprocks | hope your not doing anything production-level |
| 20:13.56 | jhutchins_lt | sisterdelirious: No, it gave you a mozilla installer, and there's no telling what it put where. |
| 20:13.57 | poprocks | you're* |
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| 20:14.01 | Bushmills | sirtophat: usually, purchasing a new computer is also needed |
| 20:14.18 | sirtophat | that's just nonsense |
| 20:14.23 | jhutchins_lt | Need to make sure you replace the electrical outlet as well. |
| 20:14.28 | sirtophat | gah |
| 20:14.29 | jhutchins_lt | Probably a new breaker panel. |
| 20:14.41 | sisterdelirious | hmmmmm. ok. so, assuming i want "firefox" not "iceweasel which is basically firefox", how do I put a link into the "applications" drop down such that i can access.launch firefox from that menu? |
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| 20:14.58 | jhutchins_lt | !menu |
| 20:14.58 | dpkg | i guess menu is the cool Debian program that handles adding items to your window manager/desktop environment's menus when you install new packages (i.e. install gimp, a new 'gimp' item is added to all of your window managers). To add new menu entries, read /etc/menu/README. See also <menu-methods>. |
| 20:14.59 | thepro4ever | http://codepad.org/u7koq4am when i set one of the variables $2 $3 or $4 it says command not found, i'm trying to give them default values if the user doesn't specify a value, what am I doing wrong in the script??? |
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| 20:15.59 | sisterdelirious | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:16.21 | thewanderer1 | thepro4ever: you're failing at variable assignment... A=1; assignment. echo $A - getting the value |
| 20:16.36 | smhar | I installed q4wine and it asked for the path of wineserver, but I do not have any wineserver in /usr/bin/ or anywhere else. is my wine installation damaged? I am using squeeze |
| 20:18.37 | Bushmills | thepro4ever: don't try to assign values to positional args, and what you try to do, there's an easier way with bash: : ${VAR:="value"} assigns "value" to VAR if, and only if it hasn't been assigned to anything |
| 20:18.48 | sisterdelirious | ok. found the readme and it means nothing to me. i'm kinda clueless as to what to do next. i'm assuming i am supposed to generate a configuration file which tells it what to open where, but i have no idea how to go about it. |
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| 20:19.36 | amphi | sisterdelirious: you seem determined to do things the hard way; why not just install the iceweasel package? |
| 20:19.59 | thepro4ever | Bushmills: i'm passing the values in via the positional args though |
| 20:20.17 | nsadmin | already did install firefox from the mozilla site |
| 20:20.17 | sisterdelirious | amphi: it seems like every time i want to do something, ther eis only a hard way? |
| 20:20.19 | amphi | sisterdelirious: but if you remain so determined, the README points you to further documentation |
| 20:20.26 | sisterdelirious | still never got anywhere with xbmc |
| 20:20.37 | thepro4ever | Bushmills: I want to assign them default values if they haven't been set |
| 20:20.47 | sisterdelirious | amphi: still drilling down and reading all of it. it's a process that is just a new doc that points to a new doc that points to a new doc... |
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| 20:21.09 | Bushmills | thepro4ever: you don't assign values to them. you pass, or you don't pass them |
| 20:21.18 | thepro4ever | Bushmills: that sucks |
| 20:21.24 | BeletteBleue | Hi. Is eac3 supported on squeeze? Because vlc can't play it, apart an metal hawful sound |
| 20:21.36 | poprocks | Bushmills: I like your whiskey |
| 20:21.36 | nsadmin | yeah, debian packaging and the fairly restrictive depends tend to make some things really easy and other things harder than they should be |
| 20:21.40 | amphi | if you want to do things manually on a system you don't know well, you must expect to spend some quality time with TFM, I think |
| 20:21.52 | sisterdelirious | and, i guess i thought that having already installed "firefox" it would just be easier to add it to my menu than to go uninstalli t and install something else. stupid me |
| 20:22.13 | sisterdelirious | amphi: i do expect to spend some time with it. i didn't think anything i said here indicated otherwise... |
| 20:22.16 | thepro4ever | Bushmills: so its bad practice to use the positional variables directly? |
| 20:22.57 | mjmt | smhar: There should definitely be a wineserver binary, how did you install wine itself? |
| 20:24.03 | Bushmills | thepro4ever: to set them, instead of passing, use, for example, : -- foo bar ; echo $2 |
| 20:24.08 | jhutchins_lt | Is there a "getting started with debian" guide somewhere? |
| 20:25.07 | poprocks | sisterdelirious: I don't know how Debian's own menu system works (or for that matter, why it even HAS one) but if you poke around in /usr/share/applications, you should see a bunch of .desktop files. You can try using one as a template, renaming it to "firefox.desktop" and changing things accordingly |
| 20:25.40 | Bushmills | thepro4ever: but, why not assign them to variables, and operate on those, instead of on the positional args? |
| 20:25.49 | jhutchins_lt | copy it to firefox.desktop, not rename. |
| 20:26.19 | poprocks | jhutchins_lt: indeed |
| 20:26.27 | nsadmin | poprocks: yeah, your solution could be destructive of existing functionality |
| 20:26.27 | poprocks | my mistake |
| 20:26.40 | poprocks | only in Debian, I guess :/ |
| 20:27.05 | nsadmin | no, renaming an existing file without knowing what it does is destructive on any system |
| 20:27.09 | thepro4ever | Bushmills: that seems like alot of work, i'd have to check that the positinal arg was set, if so set its value to a var, if not set var to a default value and do that check for every positinal arg i need |
| 20:27.10 | Bushmills | thepro4ever: for example, ARG1=${1:-"default arg 1"} |
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| 20:27.17 | sisterdelirious | poprocks: thanks, i will try that. |
| 20:27.21 | poprocks | nsadmin: oh |
| 20:27.36 | poprocks | nsadmin: I thought you meant using freedesktop files rather than debian's menu system |
| 20:27.36 | Bushmills | that sets ARG1 to $1, if passed, and to "default arg 1" if not. |
| 20:28.11 | Bushmills | much less work than what you're doing, me seems |
| 20:28.12 | poprocks | yes, saying "rename" was my mistake, I meant "copy" -but I also thought it was obvious based on how I said "us[e] one as a template" |
| 20:28.16 | jhutchins_lt | Actually, renaming a functional file is nominally destructive whether you know what it does or not... |
| 20:28.37 | thepro4ever | Bushmills: woah wtf |
| 20:28.47 | thepro4ever | Bushmills: I'm going to try that |
| 20:28.54 | nsadmin | the menuing system in debian is meant to have a place for debian packages to add menu entries whether the user has chosen gnome, kde, or some wm that has some kind of menu capability that the menu package is aware of |
| 20:29.46 | jhutchins_lt | .desktop files are lsb or something, aren't they? I guess not surprizing of mozilla ignores them. |
| 20:29.57 | jhutchins_lt | I really gotta go work on that truck. |
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| 20:30.22 | Bushmills | jhutchins_lt: a concrete mixer, by any chance? |
| 20:30.27 | poprocks | maybe in the fvwm days there was a purpose for it... but now? I mean really, if someone in this day and age is going to use a more obscure WM, don't you think they'd be smart enough to know how to manage their own menu manually? |
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| 20:30.45 | smhar | mjmt, I do not remember now, it's been a while but probably from main debian sources |
| 20:30.45 | nsadmin | usually these desktop envs have their own menus, and the menu package adds all the menu items that packages have registered to that menu under "debian" |
| 20:30.52 | poprocks | sisterdelirious: I'm assuming you're using GNOME? |
| 20:31.16 | osfd | Hi there. Do you know if I can boot from USB. My computer is macbook pro and it's able to boot on a firewire external drive |
| 20:31.31 | osfd | nononono...boot from firewire I meant |
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| 20:32.42 | sisterdelirious | hmmm i'm not sure how to poibnt it to firefox... i copied "iceweasel" from that apps folder, pasted it on desktop, renamed to firefox.desktop, changed properties so that instead of command 'iceweasel %u" it says 'firefox %u' also changed permissions and the emblem, but it still launches iceweasel. |
| 20:32.57 | sisterdelirious | poprocks: yes i'm using gnome. i also have xfde as an option |
| 20:33.29 | poprocks | sisterdelirious: you're going to have to point it to precisely where the 'firefox' binary is that you manually installed |
| 20:33.59 | poprocks | by just putting 'firefox %u', you've instructed it to look in your $PATH, where I'm assuming iceweasel put a 'firefox' symlink or something |
| 20:34.26 | sisterdelirious | poprocks: ok. makes sense... which part of the properties do i add the path to, and is it simply just adding the path to the firefox executable? |
| 20:34.42 | poprocks | sisterdelirious: yes, so '/home/sister/firefox-3.6/firefox %u', or whatever it may be |
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| 20:34.51 | sisterdelirious | poprocks: i didn't see anthing that looked like a link. but thats me, newbg. ok will try the path option. |
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| 20:35.47 | poprocks | sisterdelirious: oh and if iceweasel is open when you launch it, it might open a new window in iceweasel rather than launching your new installation of firefox |
| 20:36.07 | poprocks | that's how those mozilla scripts tend to work in my experience |
| 20:36.34 | sisterdelirious | ok. adding the path and then double-clicking gives me this error: Details: Failed to execute child process "/home/sisterd/firefox" (Permission denied) |
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| 20:36.53 | poprocks | sisterdelirious: are you sure that shouldn't be "/home/sisterd/firefox/firefox"? |
| 20:37.05 | poprocks | assuming you didn't just dump all of the individual files right into your home directory |
| 20:37.06 | sisterdelirious | i did change the permissions on both the desktop icon being configured and the executable in the firefox foler to be read & write for everyone and executable permissions set to yes |
| 20:37.18 | sisterdelirious | poprocks: no clue. let me try that. |
| 20:37.20 | thepro4ever | Bushmills: its not working out quite so well http://codepad.org/ZNwZVnfx |
| 20:37.46 | poprocks | sisterdelirious: I'm assuming there's a folder called "firefox" in /home/sisterd, and in *that* folder, you have your executable |
| 20:37.58 | poprocks | it depends on how you set up the installation |
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| 20:38.27 | sisterdelirious | poprocks: yes. and adding the scond firefox to that path it then tells me firefox is already running blahblahblah. how do i tell it to quit the other instance? (since i cant see that instance to quit it) aka what's the process explorer option in debian? |
| 20:38.42 | Bushmills | thepro4ever: (22:16:21) thewanderer1: thepro4ever: you're failing at variable assignment... A=1; assignment. echo $A - getting the value |
| 20:39.02 | poprocks | sisterdelirious: so neither firefox nor iceweasel is open? |
| 20:39.34 | sisterdelirious | duh ok iceweasel was open. |
| 20:39.55 | thepro4ever | Bushmills: i am doing assignment tarFile = ${2:-"./mysql-connector-c++-1.1.0.tar.gz"} |
| 20:40.22 | Bushmills | that's why you get the errors |
| 20:41.08 | thepro4ever | it should be assignment, i am creating variable tarFile and assigning it to the value returned by ${:-} |
| 20:41.18 | poprocks | sisterdelirious: kde has a better menu editor than gnome, where you can create your own entries and such thru the gui... but honestly... almost everything else in gnome is better ;-) |
| 20:41.36 | Bushmills | no, you don't |
| 20:41.44 | thewanderer1 | thepro4ever: spaces not allowed between var name and right expression. |
| 20:41.51 | thepro4ever | ugh |
| 20:41.57 | thepro4ever | thewanderer1: thank you |
| 20:42.03 | thewanderer1 | (silliest idea ever in computing besides DOS...) |
| 20:42.13 | sisterdelirious | gditallto hell. ok. so now i double-click and it launches firefox, which asks me to update flash player again. |
| 20:42.40 | sisterdelirious | am i right to assum that because i'm on debian i want the .deb file? (earlier today, it did not like that and wouldnt open it. now, it does open it but i haven't the faintest what to do with what it opens...) |
| 20:42.43 | nsadmin | a space on either side of the = makes it separate |
| 20:42.56 | smhar | mjmt, I removed and purged wine and reinstalled it again but I still does not have wineserver |
| 20:43.00 | thepro4ever | Bushmills: thewanderer1 thanks to you both for getting me over this hurdle |
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| 20:43.35 | nsadmin | foo= makes foo the empty string and foo =something separates foo out and you're left with =something which is probably a syntax error |
| 20:43.53 | poprocks | sisterdelirious: emerson was just asking about this before - apparently the best way is to use the backport repos that correspond with the version of debian you're using |
| 20:43.59 | Nepherius | anyone installed gnomenu on debian ? |
| 20:44.14 | Bushmills | that'd be trying to execute "foo", passing it "=something" as argument |
| 20:44.14 | nsadmin | . versions gnomenu |
| 20:44.14 | sisterdelirious | ok. and what is a backport repo and how do i u se it? |
| 20:44.20 | thepro4ever | Bushmills: btw you mentioned to me a couple weeks ago warzone2100 was a popular game download on debian, I have also found Nexuiz and OpenArean FPS which are kind of fun |
| 20:44.25 | smhar | mjmt, this is my sources file: http://paste.debian.net/91882/ |
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| 20:44.32 | sisterdelirious | (i failed today's earlier attempt at learning how to add a repo...) |
| 20:44.52 | poprocks | http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 20:45.07 | thepro4ever | OpenArena |
| 20:45.10 | nsadmin | adding a repo is adding a line to a file, then updating |
| 20:45.46 | sisterdelirious | ok. i did manage that earlier, then, because i added contrib and non-free to my etc/ whatever file earlier. |
| 20:46.02 | mjmt | smhar: Ahh, sorry I compile Wine from source. Debian packages wineserver under /usr/lib/wine/ |
| 20:46.09 | nsadmin | and after updating, did the packages you wanted become available? |
| 20:46.17 | sisterdelirious | i guess i just need to know what is the backport repo for my version of debian (lenny 5.0.5) |
| 20:46.23 | poprocks | I believe the one you want is "flashplugin-nonfree", sisterdelirious |
| 20:46.43 | sisterdelirious | nsadmin: no idea. i think the room convinced me to give up on the xbmc attempt and to head for elisa instead. |
| 20:46.55 | poprocks | sisterdelirious: lenny-backports (just a guess) |
| 20:47.02 | mjmt | smhar: apt-file search wineserver was useful. |
| 20:47.13 | sisterdelirious | poprocks: ok, does it matter that i installed that one earlier today through synaptic? should i reinstall it, or should that prior install count for this new instance of firefox? |
| 20:47.22 | smhar | mjmt, thanks |
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| 20:48.06 | nsadmin | oh, because xbmc is not in lenny or lenny backports (and given this, it would take you a lot of work including learning a lot of technical stuff to build it for lenny) |
| 20:48.07 | poprocks | sisterdelirious: I'd goto "about:plugins" on your new firefox, and see if the version of flash it sees (if any) corresponds with the one you installed today, and whether that one is indeed the newest release by Adobe |
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| 20:49.13 | sisterdelirious | ok... here's what i get in terminal as root: # apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Package flashplugin-nonfree is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source E: Package flashplugin-nonfree has no installation candidate |
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| 20:49.38 | nsadmin | try aptitude update |
| 20:50.18 | nsadmin | and then repeat the install with aptitude instead of apt-get |
| 20:50.21 | sisterdelirious | ok. the update processed ok. then i repeated the flashplugin request and got the same result |
| 20:50.53 | nsadmin | aptitude is better at figuring out deps |
| 20:51.22 | nsadmin | , versions flashplugin-nonfree |
| 20:51.23 | judd | Package flashplugin-nonfree on i386 -- etch-backports/contrib: 1:1.4~bpo40+1; lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.8.1~bpo50+1; sid/contrib: 1:2.8.2 |
| 20:51.29 | sisterdelirious | ok, that one seemed to work. |
| 20:51.45 | nsadmin | oh it's in backports |
| 20:52.11 | poprocks | I was going to suggest `aptitude -t lenny-backports install flashplugin-nonfree`, but if it worked, it worked |
| 20:52.33 | sisterdelirious | ok well, it says it worked but of course won't play flash on firefox. maybe i need to reboot? |
| 20:52.53 | poprocks | sisterdelirious: that won't solve a thing |
| 20:52.55 | nsadmin | go to about:plugins on firefox |
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| 20:53.48 | sisterdelirious | poprocks: ok. i always thing rebooting is kinda stupid. but, that's me. alright. so, i think it may actually be loading a flash source right now, i think my initial reaction was that maybe adblock or something like it is by default installed in linux' firefox. no idea. but, waiting for it to start playing |
| 20:54.01 | nsadmin | if you've installed firefox in an unexpected location, you will have to place a symbolic link to the plugin in the appropriate place in the install |
| 20:54.44 | sisterdelirious | ok. symbolic link is a new term to me. |
| 20:54.48 | nsadmin | the packaging for iceweasel installs it in a place that the flashplugin packages knows so that should work out of the box |
| 20:55.04 | poprocks | yeah, so try `find ~/firefox -name 'plugins' -type d` |
| 20:55.13 | nsadmin | sisterdelirious, for some background, read the first few paragraphs of man ln |
| 20:55.27 | sisterdelirious | about:plugins confirms that x-shockwave-flash and futuresplash plugins are installed |
| 20:55.29 | poprocks | hopefully that will tell you where your new firefox installation wants your plugins to go |
| 20:55.35 | poprocks | oh |
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| 20:55.39 | nsadmin | oh ok, then restart it |
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| 20:55.48 | poprocks | (Firefox, not the whole comp ;-) |
| 20:55.48 | nsadmin | you won't need the link after all |
| 20:56.00 | sisterdelirious | ok sounds good. restarting firefox. |
| 20:56.04 | nsadmin | right, firefox not your box |
| 20:56.08 | poprocks | lol |
| 20:56.31 | poprocks | the only time you ever need to reboot is if you've installed a new kernel and want to switch to it |
| 20:56.52 | nsadmin | or if you want to test something that is supposed to happen at boot |
| 20:57.03 | poprocks | indeed |
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| 20:57.58 | poprocks | but none of this 'omgz i installed a new program and itz not werking exakly as expected im gonna reboot!!!111one' stuff is needed on Linux ;-) |
| 20:58.06 | sisterdelirious | my box aside, restarted firefox and it still is just taking forever to load flash items or aka not loading flash items. |
| 20:58.08 | nsadmin | see unix and unix-alikes (like linux) are meant to stay up for years without rebooting, so they make good choices as servers... rebooting a server can be a bad thing if someone's in the middle of using it |
| 20:58.36 | nsadmin | if it's your home box, you can reboot it all you want without fear you're about to dump 100,000 users |
| 20:59.15 | sisterdelirious | right. but, rebooting usually takes a chunk of time and if you are trying to troubleshoot something incorporating a reboot every time you make a tiny change makes doing maintenance an all-day chore |
| 20:59.27 | nsadmin | correct |
| 21:00.05 | nsadmin | but once that chore is completed you don't have to do it again for a few years, so testing is probably worth the time |
| 21:00.12 | poprocks | sisterdelirious: if you right click on where the flash should be, does a menu provided by the flash plugin pop up? |
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| 21:00.57 | sisterdelirious | hmmmm. ok. laoded youtube and it tells me to upgrade to flashplayer 10 |
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| 21:01.29 | poprocks | sisterdelirious: ok in about:plugins, in the entry for flash, what is the "File:" entry listed? |
| 21:02.29 | sisterdelirious | in about it says shockwave flash 9.0 r100 |
| 21:02.40 | sisterdelirious | file is libswfdecmozilla.so |
| 21:03.13 | poprocks | yuck, what is that, some kind of Gnash crap or something... that's not the official Adobe Flash plugin |
| 21:03.33 | sisterdelirious | ok. right. alright. um.... ok synaptic will go and unstall the gnash whatever. |
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| 21:05.05 | poprocks | sisterdelirious: I think it's swfdec or something like that ... just get rid of it |
| 21:05.24 | sisterdelirious | yeah, there were three instances of gnash something that i just uninstalled. |
| 21:05.59 | sisterdelirious | and although i now have the contrib and non-free repo's, i do not find a flash 10 install option. there are some flavors that are specific to a program or environment, but not a big daddy flash-nonfree install option |
| 21:06.04 | poprocks | I don't think gnash and swfdec are the same thing though |
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| 21:06.46 | sisterdelirious | poprocks: maybe not. but all three things that were installed were called "gnash" and included sw in the description of what would get installed. so i think that is wht we were looking at. |
| 21:07.21 | sisterdelirious | hmmm or not because when i reload about: plugins i get the same information i did before. hmm. |
| 21:08.11 | sisterdelirious | ok when i did a search in synaptic for libswf i got that libswfdec-0.6-90 was still installed. removing that now too |
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| 21:08.34 | poprocks | search for swfdec too, they might be in separate packages |
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| 21:08.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | sisterdelirious, swfdec-mozilla |
| 21:08.43 | poprocks | aha |
| 21:08.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell poprocks -about apt-file |
| 21:08.52 | sisterdelirious | um, or not. because when i check the "to be removed" before hitting apply task, i see that included in "to be removed" is gnome-desktop" |
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| 21:09.43 | poprocks | CutMeOwnThroat: tell sisterdelirious about it, I'm not running debian |
| 21:10.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | you were telling him what to do! |
| 21:10.27 | sisterdelirious | ok. searching for swfdec gets 5 results but thankfully none are installed atm |
| 21:10.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | sisterdelirious, I told you what package it is from |
| 21:11.02 | sisterdelirious | CutMeOwnThroat: ? |
| 21:11.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | <CutMeOwnThroat> sisterdelirious, swfdec-mozilla |
| 21:11.24 | poprocks | CutMeOwnThroat: xchat? |
| 21:11.47 | sisterdelirious | CutMeOwnThroat: ok. searching for swfdec gets 5 results (INclusing "swfdec-mozilla") but thankfully none are installed atm |
| 21:12.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you're searching the wrong way... |
| 21:12.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | sisterdelirious, that doesn't change that this is the package that contains the file libswfdecmozilla.so, which is loaded in your current iceweasel |
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| 21:13.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | either you haven't really restarted it, or libswfdecmozilla.so is somewhere else like in some .mozilla/plugins directory in your $HOME |
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| 21:13.12 | jure_ | my initrd isn't being built |
| 21:13.13 | jure_ | this is the command line I'm using to build the kernel |
| 21:13.15 | sisterdelirious | CutMeOwnThroat: i just uninstalled some things, and did a search to make sure i didnt miss something... I believe that I have already uninstalled what you are telling me to de-install... hence the "search" and the report of results. if i search for swfdec-mozilla, i get it as a result and it is not currently installed. what is it that i am missing here? |
| 21:13.15 | jure_ | CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=4 make-kpkg --config menuconfig --initrd linux-image |
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| 21:13.49 | poprocks | sisterdelirious: 'apt-file search libswfdecmozilla.so' is probably what CutMeOwnThroat wanted you to run |
| 21:13.57 | BeletteBleue | eac3! |
| 21:14.07 | poprocks | sisterdelirious: I'm assuming he did that for you, and that's how he was able to tell you which pkg to remove |
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| 21:14.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | sisterdelirious, <sisterdelirious> file is libswfdecmozilla.so <--- this is what I'm referring to |
| 21:14.27 | sisterdelirious | who is "he"? |
| 21:14.46 | poprocks | sisterdelirious: CutMeOwnThroat (he or she I guess I should say, since I don't know CutMeOwnThroat's sex) |
| 21:14.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you still see this, you're still loading the file from swfdec-mozilla |
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| 21:15.17 | sisterdelirious | i am guessing that we are talking past eachother pecause i am using synaptic package manager to search and confirm that certain things have been uninstalled while others are telling me exact commands in terminal that would achieve the same thing? or am i just plian fat stupid? |
| 21:15.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | sisterdelirious, are you _still_ seeing libswfdecmozilla.so in about:plugins or not? |
| 21:15.59 | poprocks | sisterdelirious: if you're confident that you've removed the troublesome file, then you might want to just restart firefox and see what about:plugins says |
| 21:16.02 | Bushmills | commands are easier to communicate than mouse movements and clicks |
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| 21:16.10 | poprocks | Bushmills: +1 |
| 21:16.10 | sisterdelirious | if i still see you talking to me in an irc client? i'm, not using a web client to talk to you, you know |
| 21:16.46 | sisterdelirious | in terminal as root i did d# file search libswfdecmozilla.so search: ERROR: cannot open `search' (No such file or directory) libswfdecmozilla.so: ERROR: cannot open `libswfdecmozilla.so' (No such file or directory) |
| 21:17.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | can you just answer the last question, please? |
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| 21:17.28 | sisterdelirious | no, i am no longer seeing any flash anything in my about: plugins |
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| 21:17.31 | abrotman | wtf kind of command is that :) |
| 21:17.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | a truncated one |
| 21:17.58 | hdtdi | hi, i mount my windows partition mount -rw /dev/sda1 Windows/ and when i try to copy something i get Read-Only filesystem :S why is that ? |
| 21:18.04 | sisterdelirious | i am trying to get it to paste into the window here without opening a bot to yell at me |
| 21:18.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell hdtdi -about ntfs-3g |
| 21:18.36 | sisterdelirious | CutMeOwnThroat: did i answer your question? i am sorry if it took a while but i am trying to catch up to everythign and didnt mean to make you wait |
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| 21:18.57 | nsadmin | sisterdelirious, in this process do you think you're starting to get handier with shell commands? |
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| 21:19.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | sisterdelirious, yes - so it's gone... but you also don't see the one you should see |
| 21:20.00 | sisterdelirious | right. which is one of the things that frustrates me. I added contrib and non-free repos earlier today but still do not see/find an option for a flash plugin nonfree or otherwise. only the gnash / swf versions |
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| 21:20.09 | sisterdelirious | and, i hav4e done a hundred updates / upgrades today |
| 21:20.09 | poprocks | sisterdelirious: so you might want to run 'dpkg -L flashplugin-nonfree' and see where libflashplayer.so is, since that's the one you want to use with your new copy of firefox |
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| 21:20.14 | hdtdi | CutMeOwnThroat, it works. Thanks. |
| 21:20.48 | sisterdelirious | poprocks: i get "package 'flashplugin-nonfree' is not installed |
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| 21:21.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | sisterdelirious, ok, to make sure what we're talking about, what output does dpkg -l flashplayer-mozilla flashplugin-nonfree |grep ^ii give you? |
| 21:21.53 | phorce1_home | sisterdelirious: so long as 'dpkg' isn't the first word on your line in here then the bot will ignore you. Paste complete commands as you typed them after "I did this ..." |
| 21:21.58 | nsadmin | could be nothing/no output |
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| 21:22.33 | nsadmin | dpkg has a way of annoying us when we least expect it... |
| 21:22.34 | dpkg | nsadmin: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 21:22.41 | poprocks | XD |
| 21:22.47 | sisterdelirious | phorce1_home: usually i add a prefix, but then it gerneates a return after each line and then i get 4 lines and then a bot yells at me...j |
| 21:23.03 | phorce1_home | sisterdelirious: try 'dpkg -l |grep flash' to see what IS installed re: flash stuff |
| 21:23.26 | nsadmin | sisterdelirious, so that's why I was asking you if you are starting to feel more handy with shell commands |
| 21:23.28 | phorce1_home | sisterdelirious: if you have to paste multiple lines use a pastebin |
| 21:23.43 | simonrvn | or dpkg -l '*flash*' |
| 21:23.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | the command I gave should have had a 1 or 0 line answer |
| 21:23.54 | sisterdelirious | um, phorce1_home: that gave me just a new command line, no response whasoever |
| 21:24.07 | nsadmin | so 0 linewas |
| 21:24.11 | nsadmin | lines |
| 21:24.18 | poprocks | hehe |
| 21:24.24 | sisterdelirious | dpkg -l '*flash*' |
| 21:24.24 | dpkg | ii '*flash*' 3.7-14.3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 21:24.29 | sisterdelirious | damnit |
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| 21:24.46 | phorce1_home | so, no flash stuff installed at all |
| 21:25.08 | poprocks | so I guess you *don't* have flashplugin-nonfree from lenny-backports installed... |
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| 21:25.25 | nsadmin | aptitude -t lenny-backports install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 21:25.40 | nsadmin | (as root) |
| 21:25.51 | sisterdelirious | nsadmin: i'm going to be getting really handy with terminal commands. as things are now, i usually am just stuck with not knowning what to do when one doesn't work. |
| 21:26.15 | nsadmin | ok... you understand | ? |
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| 21:26.59 | sisterdelirious | poprocks: i don't think i have anything installed re flash. i did install the Repositories to my file earlier today "contrib non-free" and then ran an update. But, like I said, I have yet to ask to install a flash plugin and get a positive result. flashplugin-nonfree just plain isn't showing up as available for install, either though terminal or through synaptic. |
| 21:27.19 | phorce1_home | trying to use linux without learning how to use the CLI is suicide |
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| 21:27.40 | nsadmin | or at least annoying and frustrating... |
| 21:27.42 | sisterdelirious | nsadmin: fore a short version response, i get "aptitude -t lenny-backports install flashplugin-nonfree" in my results when i execute your commant |
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| 21:28.24 | sisterdelirious | excuse me that pasted the wrong thing. I get among a slew of results "no candidate version found for..." |
| 21:28.32 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 21:28.45 | poprocks | sisterdelirious: I dunno then, maybe you didn't set up the repo correctly? |
| 21:28.47 | phorce1_home | sisterdelirious: pastebin your entire /etc/apt/sources.list on paste.debian.net and give us the URL it makes for you |
| 21:28.51 | poprocks | oops, didn't mean to hit enter there |
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| 21:29.05 | poprocks | but I was going to suggest the same thing phorce1_home did ;-) |
| 21:29.14 | abrotman | judd: versions flashplugin-nonfree |
| 21:29.15 | judd | Package flashplugin-nonfree on i386 -- etch-backports/contrib: 1:1.4~bpo40+1; lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.8.1~bpo50+1; sid/contrib: 1:2.8.2 |
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| 21:29.32 | nsadmin | run this: grep backport /etc/apt/sources.list | wc -l |
| 21:30.24 | sisterdelirious | i guess i need a remedial lesson in that site. it tells me i can't do it because i have a space in my name (i do not) |
| 21:30.55 | nsadmin | run this: grep backport /etc/apt/sources.list | wc -l |
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| 21:31.28 | sisterdelirious | hmmm ok http://paste.debian.net/91890 |
| 21:31.52 | phorce1_home | sisterdelirious: in the "name" box just put bob or something. Doesn't have to match your nick here |
| 21:32.05 | sisterdelirious | nsadmin: response = 1 |
| 21:32.08 | nsadmin | put a # at the beginning of line 4 |
| 21:32.17 | nsadmin | sisterdelirious, ok, looking at the 1 |
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| 21:32.30 | phorce1_home | sisterdelirious: you still heve ETCH in there |
| 21:32.42 | nsadmin | so it's line 14 |
| 21:32.53 | phorce1_home | sisterdelirious: should be lenny ---- there should be no mention of etch in that file |
| 21:33.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | etch backports? |
| 21:33.01 | sisterdelirious | phorce1_home: all i did to the file was add "contrib nonfree" so everything else in there is what the debian default was for me.... |
| 21:33.10 | nsadmin | right, change etch-backports to lenny-backports |
| 21:33.20 | sisterdelirious | hmm ok. changing backports |
| 21:33.23 | nsadmin | save those two changes |
| 21:33.37 | nsadmin | (first one, put a # at start of line 4) |
| 21:33.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | sisterdelirious, etch-backports definitely were not " the debian default ", ever |
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| 21:34.26 | sisterdelirious | CutMeOwnThroat: ok i think someone else had me stick in the backports and i guess we/i didnt know that it was for a different debian version. whatever fixing it now |
| 21:35.19 | poprocks | yeah, who cares what the reason is now - just change it, run 'aptitude update' and then try 'aptitude -t lenny-backports install flashplugin-nonfree' again |
| 21:35.35 | sisterdelirious | nsadmin: i am getting confused. if i follow you, my first 2 lines shoulds tart with # the third with 'deb..." and the 4th with # where does the 1 come in? |
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| 21:36.22 | nsadmin | the one that says deb cdrom... should start with # if you don't want to access the cdrom and instead want to only access the net when installing packages |
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| 21:36.36 | sisterdelirious | nsadmin: ok. check. fixed. |
| 21:36.38 | abrotman | those should probably just be removed completely to avoid confusion |
| 21:36.42 | sisterdelirious | was there something i was suppsed to do with a 1? |
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| 21:36.45 | nsadmin | IF that's what you want |
| 21:36.57 | phorce1_home | sisterdelirious: he means put a "#" at the beginning of the "deb cdrom:..." line to comment it out. You don't need the cdrom entry now that you are connected to the net |
| 21:36.58 | sisterdelirious | nsadmin: thats def what i want. thank you. |
| 21:37.03 | nsadmin | bee are bee |
| 21:37.12 | sisterdelirious | ok. saving and updating and what have you. |
| 21:37.18 | phorce1_home | y'all type faster than me |
| 21:37.21 | poprocks | sisterdelirious: you can just delete line 1, since it's just a '#' which doesn't do anything |
| 21:37.34 | sisterdelirious | poprocks: doesnt bother me having it there, but thanks. |
| 21:38.03 | abrotman | it leads to confusion apparently |
| 21:38.12 | nsadmin | phorce1_home, I run typist occasionally |
| 21:38.45 | nsadmin | and when I finally get my hands positioned correctly and all fingers firing well, I do ok |
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| 21:39.21 | sisterdelirious | can't imagine what the work force will be like for anyone not able to type in this coming generation. probably flat unemployable unless they dig ditches for a living. |
| 21:39.26 | phorce1_home | nsadmin: I do a bit better when at the office. Need a new chair here at home. This one aggravates the pinched nerve in my neck |
| 21:40.09 | phorce1_home | left arm goes completely numb after about 60 seconds in a "typing position" |
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| 21:40.16 | sisterdelirious | and tada! |
| 21:40.28 | sisterdelirious | thanks guys! |
| 21:41.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | \o/ |
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| 21:42.00 | bsiq | Hi all |
| 21:42.27 | bsiq | I'm trying to "apt-get -t lenny-backports install Smuxi". It finds it and its dependencies but says they won't be installed. Why? |
| 21:42.39 | abrotman | bsiq: try with aptitude instead |
| 21:42.54 | sisterdelirious | ok so now, can you help me build a miniature submersible unicorn version of linux? |
| 21:43.03 | phorce1_home | aptitude will give you much clearer error messages |
| 21:43.38 | bsiq | just replace apt-get with aptitude? |
| 21:43.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | sisterdelirious, sorry, answers on Debian only... |
| 21:43.46 | phorce1_home | bsiq: yes |
| 21:44.03 | sisterdelirious | CutMeOwnThroat: but, i'll name it Debian...? |
| 21:44.24 | sisterdelirious | ok. so i donwloaded the tarball for xbmc, only it won't extract or open for me. |
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| 21:44.51 | abrotman | wtf .. why would you want that? |
| 21:44.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can't, it's trademarked http://www.debian.org/News/1998/19980306a |
| 21:45.13 | poprocks | sisterdelirious: that's not very specific... is it a .tar.bz2? .tar.gz? what? |
| 21:45.22 | sisterdelirious | ok. all joking aside. as much as i want a swimming diving unicorn linux, i'm pretty sure it isnt going to happen. |
| 21:45.32 | sisterdelirious | it's xbmc-9.11.tar.gz |
| 21:45.42 | abrotman | sisterdelirious: why do you want XBMC ? |
| 21:45.58 | poprocks | tar xvzf xbmc<tab for autocompletion>, <enter> |
| 21:46.05 | sisterdelirious | abrotman: because i want to use my linux box as a home theater system, and XBMC is the one most suited towards my needs |
| 21:46.06 | abrotman | poprocks: could you stop for a minute |
| 21:46.19 | poprocks | abrotman: fine |
| 21:46.27 | abrotman | sisterdelirious: there are others .. do you really want to have to compile/maintain the software outside of the package system ? |
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| 21:48.18 | poprocks | sisterdelirious: abrotman is right though... I was quick to answer your direct question about opening it, but -- no offence -- if you can't even open the tarball, you probably won't be able to pinpoint which development libraries and packages you will need to compile the software |
| 21:48.27 | abrotman | offense ? |
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| 21:48.40 | poprocks | abrotman: ? |
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| 21:48.51 | sisterdelirious | abrotman: it's a prject for me. just like the linux box is. ALL of it will be a learning experience for me. I am game to do the work and the learning,a nd at the moment i have done a lot of reading on htpc systems and xbmc is the one that is closest to/the parent of the one i'm actively using on my mac. So, for the sho9rt answer, yes, XBMC is the one I want. |
| 21:49.12 | sisterdelirious | right now there is nto a single thing in linux I know how to do. |
| 21:49.13 | nsadmin | phorce1_home, dude... that's serious business there... you should figure that out |
| 21:49.23 | sisterdelirious | But, the desired end state and purpose for having linux happens to be XBMC. |
| 21:49.24 | abrotman | sisterdelirious: okay .. then you should be learning how to unpack that tar.gz file .. you sohuldn't be asking us .. |
| 21:49.34 | nsadmin | sisterdelirious, I beg to differ. |
| 21:49.37 | sisterdelirious | and, I am not offended. I do appreciate you asking the question. |
| 21:49.46 | abrotman | !tell sisterdelirious about grounding |
| 21:49.58 | phorce1_home | nsadmin: #d-ot, it's slow in there |
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| 21:51.14 | nsadmin | phorce1_home, all I'm saying is deal with it nowish... yoga, chiro, general exercise, something. if you do chiro, make sure the chiro gives you exercises |
| 21:52.15 | nsadmin | tai chi maybe |
| 21:52.29 | bsiq | http://pastebin.org/1216917 -> Result from aptitude -t lenny-backports install smuxi |
| 21:52.30 | sisterdelirious | ok. here's the deal, I'm new to linux. I know how to extract files in other operating suystems. I have in fact got extraction options available to me in linux. Is Debian as linux my operating system and #debian not the approrpriate place to go if you try something in debian an don't understand the responses you get for what didn't work? i didnt come here asking how to unpack a compressed file... i came asking why didn't my extr |
| 21:52.34 | bsiq | Didn't get any clearer |
| 21:52.57 | sisterdelirious | nsadmin: i dont know what you are begging to differ on. |
| 21:52.59 | phorce1_home | nsadmin: pinched it ~6 years ago. Ulnar nerve but popped up around the shoulder/neck rather than at the more common elbow exposure. No excersize will fix it completely hence my normal careful selection of seating. |
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| 21:53.29 | abrotman | sisterdelirious: there is a difference between asking basic questions that can easily be found in the docs, and asking here .. asking how to unpack a tar.gz is a pretty simple bit .. there are lots of newbie docs out there |
| 21:53.32 | abrotman | !newbiedoc |
| 21:53.32 | dpkg | http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/ -- newbies check it out! Veterans too, so you can contribute! :) |
| 21:53.49 | phorce1_home | (bang your "funny bone" and get that tingling down your forearm/hand --- that's the ulnar nerve) |
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| 21:54.03 | abrotman | bsiq: aptitude update && aptitude -t lenny-backports install smuxi .. what is the error ? (use a pastebin) |
| 21:54.08 | nsadmin | sisterdelirious, you said you don't know how to do anything in linux, I can point to several things you've done |
| 21:54.15 | phorce1_home | bsiq: now pastebin exactly what the output was and give us the link |
| 21:54.20 | nsadmin | one of which is successfully edited a text file |
| 21:54.36 | phorce1_home | oops --- missed that |
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| 21:55.13 | sisterdelirious | abrotman: i didn't ask how to unpack a tar ball because I didn't think "unpacking a tarball" was the actiobn i was fialing at. It took getting clarification here for me to realize that i did something wrong. forigve me for being a enwbie, but that is going to happen sometimes. and, the real reason i came to #debian was a huge big problemw hich has taken a team of folks here several hours over a few days to solve. the tarball th |
| 21:55.14 | abrotman | and if you just want a walk-thru .. google "xbmc debian lenny howto" .. i'm sure you'll find something |
| 21:55.53 | nsadmin | I don't even know which editor you used, you made the changes and saved the file without any of us saying "ok, use this key to move the cursor to the left ... etc etc" |
| 21:55.59 | sisterdelirious | nsadmin: ok. i agree with you. i know how to do plenty. i just know enough to be dangerous and realize that i want to do everything and the more you know, the more you realize you don't know. hence if eel like i know nothing. |
| 21:56.17 | bla | Hm. ;s How to debug Xen (4), fresh squeeze release panic |
| 21:56.18 | bla | ? |
| 21:56.27 | phorce1_home | bsiq: first do 'aptitude safe-upgrade' to take care of the 67 packages that need to be upgraded |
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| 21:56.37 | nsadmin | well the whole thing is you're going to have to allocate time required to learn |
| 21:56.40 | sisterdelirious | abrotman: i did google plenty before coming here and doubless will do so again. i had lots of the "how to" options that did not work afor me and which did require some configuration work that was not available in the files i was refereincing. |
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| 21:57.13 | nsadmin | fresh squeeze release panic?! |
| 21:57.17 | sisterdelirious | nsadmin: i am all over allocating the time tto learn. I'm already in week 4 of getting a linux distribution installed on my system such that my monitor still works after an hour. So i've achieved a lot and nnot exactly in record time. |
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| 21:57.54 | bsiq | phorce1_home, abrotman: http://pastebin.org/1217203 |
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| 21:57.56 | nsadmin | so you learned a bit about the structure of the X driver system |
| 21:57.59 | bla | nsadmin, xen panic; on fresh install of squeeze |
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| 21:58.19 | bla | Even before linux get's his chance to mess something |
| 21:58.26 | abrotman | bsiq: you're missing a regular deb src |
| 21:58.38 | abrotman | bsiq: where are you geographically ? |
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| 21:59.01 | bsiq | Brazil |
| 21:59.05 | sisterdelirious | nsadmin: maybe, but i wouldnt know for sure to put a name on it. but, i certainly do know how to op[en a text file as root using a terminal as the gateway so that i can edit changes. that didn't requiring asking you guys to get done. and, i do know how to both run a terminal and run synaptic package manager, which i didnt 3 weeks ago. |
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| 21:59.10 | bsiq | abrotman: Brazil |
| 21:59.45 | nsadmin | sisterdelirious, so take that in. those are some real accomplishments |
| 21:59.53 | phorce1_home | aha -- I see that now. security, volatile, and bpo only --- no regular lenny source |
| 21:59.54 | abrotman | bsiq: at the bottom of your /etc/apt/sources.list add "deb http://debs.ifsul.edu.br/debian/ lenny main" |
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| 22:00.47 | abrotman | bsiq: then 'aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade && aptitude -t lenny-backports install smuxi' |
| 22:00.54 | nsadmin | sisterdelirious, if you want to get down and dirty, look at some of the basic commands: mkdir, cd, ls, cat, maybe head and tail, grep |
| 22:01.54 | nsadmin | notice some of those commands spew stuff (like ls, cat, head, tail, grep) |
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| 22:02.31 | sisterdelirious | honestly, i was (and still am) baffled by following what seem to be simple instructiosn on a How To file found with a google search when half the commands required fail on you ("make", "build", "configure") thats why i come here to the irc channel.... to learn what to do when the google search instructions fail you. |
| 22:02.49 | sisterdelirious | i'm familiar with ls from years and years. but the other stuff yeah. |
| 22:02.56 | abrotman | man man |
| 22:03.03 | Bushmills | probably missing some stuff |
| 22:03.15 | nsadmin | you need to start building a really strong foundation |
| 22:03.44 | nsadmin | correction, you've already started |
| 22:04.28 | Bushmills | build-essential is a likely candidate to be missing. a meta package, just deps to more stuff |
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| 22:04.41 | poprocks | sisterdelirious: also, make sure you understand stuff like ".", "..", $PATH, etc. It doesn't do much good to run "./configure" if, e.g., there's no configure script in your working directory |
| 22:05.02 | nsadmin | you can look at everything you learn in this realm as stuff you can also use in the automating of processes you notice yourself doing over and over |
| 22:05.20 | abrotman | bsiq: working better ? |
| 22:05.34 | nsadmin | but the main thing, is look at how linux can be used to manipulate text |
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| 22:06.10 | Bushmills | bash, or another shell, is a good tool to learn about |
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| 22:06.38 | phorce1_home | abrotman: he's watching it download 463426734 bytes for the 67 upgrades |
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| 22:07.08 | abrotman | if he's made it that far |
| 22:07.28 | nsadmin | not quite ready to get into shells in depth, but that would be a good thing to think about soonish |
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| 22:08.10 | bsiq | abrotman: My wifi is also bugged, so taking long time to update! 3000 B/s :/ |
| 22:08.28 | bsiq | btw what's the command to list my adapters with their name? |
| 22:08.29 | abrotman | ewww |
| 22:08.35 | bsiq | iwconfig doesnt list the name :/ |
| 22:08.35 | abrotman | ifconfig -a ? |
| 22:08.59 | bsiq | weird |
| 22:09.12 | bsiq | Doesn't identify it as a Atheros, which it is |
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| 22:09.52 | nsadmin | bsiq, lspci -nn and find the one line that describes your wireless |
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| 22:10.06 | abrotman | if it's pci? |
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| 22:11.12 | gnude | hello debian developer, |
| 22:11.20 | gnude | why is there no more reiserfs support in the installer |
| 22:11.24 | gnude | i need it urgent |
| 22:11.31 | bzed | you don't want reiserfs |
| 22:11.35 | bzed | its broken since ever |
| 22:11.40 | bzed | use a useful filesystem instead |
| 22:11.46 | gnude | and why you decided to use the software center from ubuntu? |
| 22:11.47 | bsiq | There it is... Atheros AR242x |
| 22:12.03 | gnude | bzed: it running on several machines, at home and work. |
| 22:12.08 | bzed | gnude: your fault |
| 22:12.08 | bsiq | I did the modprobe ath5k, but still slooooooow |
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| 22:12.51 | gnude | bzed: why |
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| 22:12.52 | abrotman | gnude: the kernel still has reiser support, but really, you should choose a more sensible filsystem |
| 22:13.00 | gnude | in lenny it was a normal possibility |
| 22:13.03 | gnude | and i choose it |
| 22:13.10 | abrotman | gnude: and no one decided to use software-center, it's just an available package to use |
| 22:13.11 | gnude | now... it is in use on... moment. |
| 22:13.14 | bzed | gnude: because the FS isnot maintained sin ce a long time, was always buggy. |
| 22:13.28 | poprocks | plus, it was written by a MUUUUUURDERER! |
| 22:13.35 | abrotman | poprocks: stop .. that's enough of that |
| 22:13.37 | gnude | 8 pc's using reiserfs |
| 22:13.47 | abrotman | i don't know why idiots think that is funny .. just keep quiet about it |
| 22:13.56 | abrotman | gnude: the kernel still has reiser support, but really, you should choose a more sensible filsystem |
| 22:14.08 | gnude | abrotman: but there are many more methods to install software.... aptitude, adpet, synaptic. why one more? |
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| 22:14.22 | themill | poprocks: please try to be constructive every now and then |
| 22:14.30 | abrotman | gnude: because some people like clicky stuff like that .. if you don't want to use it, just ignore it |
| 22:14.41 | themill | gnude: you perhaps should read the documentation for the installer; /msg dpkg reiserfs d-i |
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| 22:15.17 | gnude | abrotman: ok. i wonder because synaptic is nearly the same. click click install.... |
| 22:15.29 | abrotman | gnude: so just ignore it .. it's not a big deal |
| 22:15.32 | gnude | themill: the problem is: now it is in use. the decision is fallen |
| 22:15.34 | atula_ | question. to do a raid1,... the process is: create the raid, then use make filesystem/partition , then mount ? |
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| 22:15.52 | themill | gnude: what's your actual question then? |
| 22:16.32 | gnude | oh the question.. why is reiserfs removed from the installer... |
| 22:16.57 | themill | gnude: which I answered: /msg dpkg reiserfs d-i |
| 22:17.08 | gnude | yes. |
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| 22:17.19 | the_file | hi how do I untar a deb file?. |
| 22:17.19 | abrotman | because no one should be using reiser |
| 22:17.27 | abrotman | the_file: ar x foo.deb |
| 22:17.28 | the_file | I only want to do it for a few of them |
| 22:17.50 | gnude | what is the default? ext3 or ext4 |
| 22:17.56 | gnude | how about jfs and xfs? |
| 22:18.00 | sisterdelirious | hmm ok. trying to run an update and my debian multimedia is failing out. "failed to fetch http://www.debian-multimedia.org/dists/lenny/Release Unable to find expected entry contrib/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) any suggestions? |
| 22:18.02 | abrotman | gnude: why not use ext3 ? |
| 22:18.20 | gnude | abrotman: fsck takes a long time. |
| 22:18.29 | abrotman | how often do you fsck ? |
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| 22:19.34 | sisterdelirious | funny, that exact question i just got railed on for not 10 minute ago. |
| 22:19.54 | nsadmin | sisterdelirious, grep backport /etc/apt/backports.org |
| 22:20.00 | nsadmin | that should be one line |
| 22:20.03 | nsadmin | show it |
| 22:20.03 | sisterdelirious | nsadmin: thanks |
| 22:20.21 | sisterdelirious | nsadmin: no such file or directory |
| 22:20.24 | gnude | i had an old debian 4 server, that must reboot. and make then a fsck. |
| 22:20.31 | nsadmin | oops, wrong file :) |
| 22:20.41 | nsadmin | sisterdelirious, grep backport /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:20.41 | gnude | it was during normal work-time. everybody was angry. |
| 22:20.43 | roe | does anyone have any hints on how to add an include schema line for the openldap version in squeeze that uses cn=config? |
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| 22:21.09 | sisterdelirious | i get: grep backport /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:21.11 | sisterdelirious | erg |
| 22:21.28 | sisterdelirious | deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free |
| 22:21.28 | abrotman | nsadmin: uhm .. the problem is the DMM line |
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| 22:21.42 | nsadmin | that looks good... but, let's see |
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| 22:22.00 | nsadmin | sees if the web server will serve /debian |
| 22:22.09 | abrotman | did you even read the error ? |
| 22:22.24 | abrotman | failed to fetch http://www.debian-multimedia.org/dists/lenny/Release |
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| 22:25.24 | atula_ | how do I raise the speed of a raid resynch ? |
| 22:25.41 | abrotman | it goes as fast as it can |
| 22:26.05 | nsadmin | sisterdelirious, do you hAve wget? |
| 22:26.21 | sisterdelirious | nsadmin: good question. no idea. lemme check. |
| 22:26.29 | abrotman | nsadmin: did you read the error yet? |
| 22:26.42 | nsadmin | try this: wget http://www.backports.org/debian/pool/contrib/f/flashplugin-nonfree/flashplugin-nonfree_2.8.1~bpo50+1_i386.deb |
| 22:27.02 | sisterdelirious | nsadmin: yes, i have wget |
| 22:27.10 | nsadmin | ok, so do the above |
| 22:27.15 | abrotman | watches the train wreck that is nsadmin |
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| 22:28.11 | sisterdelirious | that looks like it worked just fine. |
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| 22:28.17 | nsadmin | ls |
| 22:28.22 | nsadmin | you should see a .deb there |
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| 22:29.13 | sisterdelirious | yes, i did an ls and i see flashplugin-nonfree_2.8.1`bpo50+1_i386.deb |
| 22:29.46 | nsadmin | ok, that thing you see, we want to try to install it with dpkg, so |
| 22:29.56 | nsadmin | dpkg -i (that file) |
| 22:29.56 | dpkg | installs (that file) into nsadmin's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
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| 22:30.52 | sisterdelirious | that appears to have gone quite smoothly. |
| 22:30.55 | xand | ha |
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| 22:32.46 | abrotman | except .. sisterdelirious had flash installed an hour ago |
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| 22:33.12 | nsadmin | ok, so earlier, you had installed firefox from the mozilla site? did you also install iceweasel from the package? |
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| 22:34.09 | nsadmin | one thing you can do now is test: quit from iceweasel and/or firefox, then start it again, and look at about:plugins |
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| 22:35.35 | sisterdelirious | i think abrotman is right. the problem right now isn't that flashplugin isn't installed.... it is. it hink there are other things in debian-multimedia and the problem is that the release is not currently accessible (but of course i'm probalby wrong.) so... flash is in there but the release is getting an error when i try to run an update. |
| 22:35.48 | abrotman | oh wait .. you mean nsadmin didn't help ? |
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| 22:35.59 | sisterdelirious | abrotman: being a smart aleck doesnt make you more right. |
| 22:36.06 | abrotman | sisterdelirious: paste the full output of `cat /etc/apt/sources.list ; aptitude update' |
| 22:36.25 | nsadmin | if it did, he'd be out of balance... |
| 22:36.29 | abrotman | sisterdelirious: it makes me helpful .. if you prefer .. i can leave you with nsadmin .. who isn't helping :) |
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| 22:38.05 | abrotman | but without seeing the paste, i'll guess you have "main contrib non-free" in your source line for debian-multimedia.org .. but the 'contrib' doesn't exist on that repo .. remove 'contrib' from that line, and aptitude update again |
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| 22:39.05 | sisterdelirious | i hope this works. http://debian.pastebin.com/aHEWk3A8 |
| 22:40.18 | nsadmin | you should already have the flash player installed as a result of running the command that starts with dpkg -i |
| 22:40.40 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 22:41.14 | sisterdelirious | nsadmin: yes, about:plugins confirms i have Shockwave Flash 10.1 r85 installed |
| 22:41.31 | nsadmin | let's see... |
| 22:41.47 | abrotman | sisterdelirious: is the error gone now? |
| 22:42.23 | sisterdelirious | i dont know what the debian multimedia error is about... don't know what/if something is there that i need. jsut that the apt-get update fails/errors outw ith a debian-multimedia related error. trying again now. |
| 22:43.00 | abrotman | is the error gone or not ? |
| 22:43.05 | sisterdelirious | looks like removing "contrib" from the sources.list worked, abrotman |
| 22:43.46 | nsadmin | sisterdelirious, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNXfFpYzHOk |
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| 22:44.24 | abrotman | nsadmin: will you please stop .. sisterdelirious had flash installed over an hour ago .. i have no idea what you've been drinking, but oyu're not helping |
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| 22:45.52 | sisterdelirious | alright. now, for some reason (following some instructions in a google search result...) apt-get-repository as a command always fails for me. |
| 22:46.33 | nsadmin | with what error message (exact text pls) |
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| 22:47.50 | nsadmin | did the youtube link work? |
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| 22:49.05 | sisterdelirious | e# apt-get-repository ppa:team-xbmc/ppa |
| 22:49.05 | sisterdelirious | bash: apt-get-repository: command not found |
| 22:49.28 | sisterdelirious | nsadmin: yes, youtube and other flash videos are playing just fine |
| 22:49.34 | MagusOTB | Is there a simple cmdline program that acts like a stopwatch? Just has a display of how long it's been since it started running |
| 22:49.37 | MagusOTB | or something like that? |
| 22:49.39 | abrotman | sisterdelirious: do NOT use a PPA package on Debian .. it will make a mess of your system |
| 22:49.45 | abrotman | MagusOTB: 'time' ? |
| 22:49.56 | poprocks | not sure what the issue is then, sisterdelirious -- I remember a while back, you said "tada", Flash was working |
| 22:49.59 | sisterdelirious | grrrr ok the instructions i am following are specifically for debian |
| 22:50.14 | abrotman | poprocks: nsadmin can't follow the conversation .. and thinks flash is broken for some reason |
| 22:50.18 | poprocks | but I've lost my lastlog, so I can't check the back buffer |
| 22:50.19 | MagusOTB | no, time times things, I want something that times nothing. I suppose I could just like time something that doesn't stop, but that seems kludgey |
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| 22:50.25 | nsadmin | so there is not a command you have installed called apt-get-repository (perhaps this is not a command/verb but a noun referring to any repository that is capable of being accessed by apt |
| 22:50.33 | nsadmin | ) |
| 22:50.34 | sisterdelirious | poprocks: yes, flash is working. the problem we are talking about now (*which is solved)( is that when i did 'apt-get update' i was getting an error specifically related to the debian multimedia release |
| 22:50.43 | abrotman | sisterdelirious: which instructions? |
| 22:51.36 | abrotman | MagusOTB: you could write a script that just loops |
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| 22:51.58 | TheDux | sisterdelirious, did you install the key for the repo? |
| 22:52.26 | sisterdelirious | no simple answer abrotman: its a page which links to a page which links to a page which links to a page. several places at the beginning of that path were for DEBIAN and then when it gets to PPAs it does not specify. so probalby just a mess not worth trying to attribute to anything |
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| 22:52.40 | abrotman | sisterdelirious: which page are you currently reading ? |
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| 22:54.39 | sisterdelirious | theDux no idea if i did or not. i was trying to file instructions on how to install XBMC on Debian (this page:http://nerdcore.eu/?p=94 which is technically for debian: etch) and lots of things in there were broken/didn't work. eg, it tells you to "make" (no futher command than that one word) which doesnt work. same thing for lots of other commands. i think that because i am not on "etch" a lot of the commands are just plain not |
| 22:55.39 | sisterdelirious | abrotman: the PPA page is the one i think you are asking about, and i have since closed it |
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| 22:56.29 | TheDux | sisterdelirious, you can search aptitude for debian multimedia key (if it isn't installed you can install it to authenticate the repo), other than that it shouldn't bother you if that was the error you were getting from the repo :) |
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| 22:57.27 | nsadmin | make is a command that creates new files or resources by reading existing files and feeding them to existing programs that transform one to the other. it's fairly complex and when you come to understand how it works, you'll begin to "see the matrix" about how make works and under what conditions |
| 22:57.29 | abrotman | wonders if he's the only one that reads ... |
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| 22:57.42 | Bobby | abrotman, the at large |
| 22:57.49 | abrotman | really? |
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| 22:58.02 | Bobby | yes |
| 22:58.16 | abrotman | I suppose it will speak english at some point |
| 22:58.21 | Bobby | abrotman, if you knew who I was you'd kline me from this channel |
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| 22:58.32 | abrotman | really? .. kline you say? |
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| 22:58.37 | Bobby | Ban I mean |
| 22:58.45 | nsadmin | the very basic conditions are that the the existing files to be read should be reachable by make (you may need to be in a specific dir to have that work properly) and the programs used to do the transformations need to be installed. |
| 22:58.49 | abrotman | you could just leave ... |
| 22:59.22 | Bobby | Tell me about an HTTPD that allows me to include HTML files in every request without a scripting language |
| 22:59.52 | nsadmin | so browser-side includes. |
| 23:00.03 | nsadmin | yes? |
| 23:00.43 | Bobby | nsadmin: I want to be able to set an option in the httpd config that causes it to auto-include a certain file on every reqest |
| 23:01.12 | abrotman | why wouldn't you ask #httpd if apache can do it? |
| 23:01.50 | Bobby | HeaderName /include/HEADER.html in Apache maybe? |
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| 23:01.54 | nsadmin | not sure that's going to happen. if it did, it would be duplicating existing work (server-side scripting language can do it, wtf does the dev need to provide some other way) |
| 23:02.01 | abrotman | Bobby: ask #httpd |
| 23:02.18 | nsadmin | that looks like a language to me |
| 23:02.32 | nsadmin | you just got thru saying you don't want that |
| 23:02.42 | Bobby | nsadmin: In a config file |
| 23:03.04 | nsadmin | so declarative is ok but functional is not |
| 23:03.35 | nsadmin | well, try it and see... also check the docs on HeaderName at apache.org |
| 23:03.35 | Bobby | You're not speaking my language bro |
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| 23:03.47 | Bobby | yeah I'll try it |
| 23:03.49 | nsadmin | then you'll have to come to understand it in some other way |
| 23:04.18 | sisterdelirious | argh. ok. i have downloaded and upacked xbmc. i am in terminal and i have cd'd to the correct directory. cannot apt-get install xbmc (couldn't find package xbmc) |
| 23:04.28 | Bobby | dude im not a computer guy |
| 23:04.54 | nsadmin | your level isn't really a problem I'm focusing on |
| 23:05.02 | Bobby | Anyway I'll read the docs on apache's site |
| 23:05.43 | sisterdelirious | Bobby: if you ask a specific questiobn, maybe someone can answer you. |
| 23:06.39 | Bobby | sisterdelirious: I want header.html included by Apache every time a file is requested, like if they request /index.html it also includes header.html |
| 23:06.53 | Bobby | SSI is too complex |
| 23:07.57 | Bobby | I think I found the answer: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/mod/mod_include.html |
| 23:08.10 | TheDux | cheers Bobby on.!!! |
| 23:08.21 | Bobby | celebrates with Madonna |
| 23:09.18 | sisterdelirious | ok. i think its cookie time. thanks for allt he help guys. probably will catch you later. |
| 23:09.42 | abrotman | Bobby: you're not using apache1 |
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| 23:11.27 | nsadmin | here's a cookie (altho it seems a bit overdone): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPiAHHDTyoU&feature=related |
| 23:12.11 | sisterdelirious | nsadmin: thanks! check you later... |
| 23:12.14 | sisterdelirious | exit |
| 23:12.15 | nsadmin | wait, this one is better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMi2mCe7CKg&feature=related |
| 23:12.45 | Bobby | abrotman: I am using apache 2.x |
| 23:12.56 | bzed | Bobby: if you need someting more flexible than SSI, look into lighttpd with mod_magnet |
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| 23:13.16 | Bobby | hmm http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_include.html |
| 23:13.28 | nsadmin | he's looking for something he doesn't have to figure out |
| 23:13.31 | Bobby | bzed: Yes I have light yin mind |
| 23:16.03 | abrotman | i said that ... |
| 23:17.38 | Bobby | found http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_include.html |
| 23:17.48 | Bobby | I'm assuming Debian supports that module |
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| 23:18.22 | nsadmin | it makes an ass of u and ming |
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| 23:20.07 | misfitx7 | I wasn't able to configure my network during installation of lenny and was therefore unable to select my apt sources. Is there a way to get that list to select from while in my current install? |
| 23:20.39 | abrotman | misfitx7: not really .. but there's an MIT mirror if you're okay with that |
| 23:20.51 | nsadmin | well you could edit the /etc/apt/sources.list file yourself and just add the sources |
| 23:21.00 | abrotman | that's not what he asked |
| 23:21.06 | nsadmin | if your network is up now it should work |
| 23:21.22 | abrotman | misfitx7: "deb http://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian/ lenny main" adjust to your needs accordingly |
| 23:21.54 | misfitx7 | Yeah. I'm familiar with adding sources manually. I just thought there might be a way to bring up the initial setup. |
| 23:22.05 | abrotman | misfitx7: the 'apt-setup' command is long gone |
| 23:22.19 | nsadmin | I dunno if there's a way to do that currently or not |
| 23:22.49 | misfitx7 | I noticed that as well. I'm guessing it hasn't been replaced. |
| 23:23.14 | abrotman | no, it's still gone |
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| 23:24.05 | nsadmin | if I recall correctly there used to be something that approximated what you're talking about; I don't know if it's exact or not. me, I wrote my own m4 source file that produces my sources.lists |
| 23:24.29 | nsadmin | hmm, I should put a makefile there |
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| 23:26.01 | shilow | can someone help me here with a problem when trying to reconfigure my computer with dpkg-reconfigure -a it snags up and stops when i hit cron with a message ive searched google for an answer but found nothing has the issue been solved yet? |
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| 23:27.22 | sweetpi | shilow: I already told you #ubuntu+1 |
| 23:27.33 | nsadmin | shilow: unfortunately there's not info on the table that shows why it's happening |
| 23:28.00 | shilow | well its happening both with debian and ubuntu |
| 23:28.11 | abrotman | shilow: pastebin the error |
| 23:28.18 | shilow | okay |
| 23:28.22 | abrotman | the full command and output |
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| 23:28.44 | nsadmin | before you or anyone can do anything meaningful you have to find out why it's happening |
| 23:28.49 | Floops | evening... any reason why i would get Write failed: Broken pipe on ssh session all the time. |
| 23:29.31 | abrotman | Floops: if i had to guess, i'd say a router in between is disconnecting you for being idle |
| 23:29.48 | nsadmin | before you or anyone can do anything meaningful you have to find out why it's happening |
| 23:29.53 | Floops | evening with keepalive set |
| 23:30.02 | Floops | it shold reduce that.. shouldn't it |
| 23:30.15 | abrotman | Floops: does it always happen when idle? after say .. 5-10 minutes? |
| 23:30.30 | shilow | http://pastebin.com/uwRN5xNv |
| 23:30.43 | Floops | abrotman, yes... something long |
| 23:30.55 | Floops | weird enough... it only happen at one location |
| 23:30.57 | Floops | not all |
| 23:31.01 | abrotman | shilow: and which version of cron is it? |
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| 23:32.49 | shilow | 3.0pl1-114 |
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| 23:33.44 | abrotman | did you check the BTS for a bug on the package? |
| 23:34.14 | shilow | there was a bug but no info i found on google can resove it |
| 23:34.47 | shilow | figured i'd try the chats and see if i can dig up any info |
| 23:35.03 | shilow | if it possible to use dpkg-reconfigure and omit just cron? |
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| 23:39.15 | abrotman | gnea! |
| 23:39.28 | abrotman | why are you trying to reconfigure cron any way ? |
| 23:40.14 | shilow | i'm not i'm tryin gto do a dpkg-reconfigure -a |
| 23:40.22 | shilow | but when it hits cron its stopping it from finishing |
| 23:40.31 | shilow | just did a dist upgrade |
| 23:40.36 | abrotman | you mean dpkg --configure -a ? |
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| 23:41.07 | shilow | no |
| 23:41.19 | Gnea | abrotman: ltns :) |
| 23:41.20 | shilow | dpkg-reconfigure |
| 23:41.31 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure is for one package .. |
| 23:41.36 | shilow | lukily it was able to reconfigure my xorg before it crapped |
| 23:41.40 | abrotman | try dpkg --configure -a ? |
| 23:41.45 | shilow | doesnt do anything |
| 23:42.59 | shilow | if i hit cron that way it says its installed and configured , |
| 23:43.14 | shilow | maybe its just a bug related to my dist-upgrade |
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