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| 00:26.53 | edgardoweb | hi |
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| 00:34.22 | edgardoweb | what |
| 00:34.54 | ykca | I'm really not good at english |
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| 00:37.38 | sweetpi | ykca: what is your native language? |
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| 00:41.11 | sauvin | Thai, looks like. |
| 00:41.53 | sweetpi | yeah, couldnt find a channel for him though |
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| 00:44.31 | ykca | I speak thai |
| 00:45.58 | qq- | jpinx-eeepc, do you speak thai too? |
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| 00:48.32 | jpinx-eeepc | qq-: some, but the alphabet is a major issue |
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| 00:49.16 | jpinx-eeepc | ykca: sawadee kap ! |
| 00:50.36 | ykca | jpinz-eeepc, sawaddee |
| 00:50.39 | jpinx-eeepc | ykca: kun mah jahk nai ? |
| 00:51.23 | ykca | from thaïlande |
| 00:51.52 | jpinx-eeepc | chai - pom kow jai ;) |
| 00:52.01 | ykca | it ia a bit hard to input that umlaut |
| 00:52.10 | jpinx-eeepc | heh |
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| 00:52.34 | jpinx-eeepc | you have enough english ykca - people here will help you |
| 00:52.47 | amphi | gives ykca a comppose key |
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| 00:53.06 | ykca | yeah, I understand it largely |
| 00:53.43 | jpinx-eeepc | ykca: fwiw I am in Lad Prao, Bangkok |
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| 00:54.35 | ykca | not very far from me. I live wet of Bangkok. aound 70 km |
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| 00:54.44 | ykca | *west |
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| 00:56.09 | jpinx-eeepc | ykca: I suggest /join #debian-offtopic |
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| 00:57.45 | Triskel | yo |
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| 01:01.00 | Triskel | Cpu(s): 4.4%us, 1.5%sy, 0.0%ni, 0.0%id, 0.0%wa, 0.2%hi, 93.8%si, 0.0%st |
| 01:01.01 | magyarlatin | Hello eveyone |
| 01:01.13 | Triskel | does somebody knows these %si software interrupts ? |
| 01:01.21 | Triskel | yo magyarlatin |
| 01:01.29 | abrotman | Triskel: did you look in the top man page? |
| 01:01.56 | magyarlatin | Triskel, o/ |
| 01:02.47 | Triskel | abrotman: " The amount of time the CPU has been servicing software interrupts.", either my english and my tecnic are bads |
| 01:03.15 | abrotman | it doesn't give you more info ? |
| 01:03.29 | Triskel | and i have absolutely no idea wich caused my server down with that %ing si |
| 01:04.14 | Triskel | except this full% si, all top's fields seemed normal |
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| 01:08.55 | roe | does anyone have any hints on how to add an include schema line for the openldap version in squeeze that uses cn=config? |
| 01:09.26 | jhutchins | Bushmills: Big pickup truck that hauls bigger horse trailer, got the wiring harness for the trailer back in order today. |
| 01:09.54 | jhutchins | Bushmills: Tomorrow it's time to get all the electrical bits on the trailer working, then figure out how to make the roof stop leaking. |
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| 01:14.37 | ddilinger | i have a lenny installation where /tmp is rw,noexec,nosuid. apt-get constantly reports things like: Can't exec "/tmp/exim4-config.config.17431": Permission denied at /usr/share/perl/5.10/IPC/Open3.pm line 168. |
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| 01:14.43 | ddilinger | should i file a bug against exim? |
| 01:15.02 | ddilinger | or am i mis configured somewhere else |
| 01:15.44 | nsadmin | ddilinger: are the permissions you describe on /tmp as originally installed? |
| 01:17.08 | abrotman | ddilinger: i believe there's a way to specify an alternate /tmp/ for apt actoins |
| 01:17.52 | abrotman | ddilinger: but ti's the noexec causing a problem |
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| 01:19.01 | ddilinger | nsadmin: the permissions for exec are as they were when the server was installed |
| 01:19.35 | ddilinger | nsadmin: and not all applications complain, only exim |
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| 01:21.34 | nsadmin | this is a server? |
| 01:22.01 | nsadmin | the names of the files it's trying to execute in /tmp are kinda weird, doncha think? |
| 01:22.11 | abrotman | ddilinger: /tmp/ is not noexec by default |
| 01:22.12 | sweetpi | a bit of searching says: APT::ExtractTemplates::TempDir "/var/tmp"; |
| 01:23.28 | sweetpi | ofc /var/tmp would still need exec |
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| 01:33.30 | ZitZ | hi, recently I started reading some things about fonts on debian, I use xfce4 and I was wondering if I stand to gain any clarity with fonts, personally I don't notice any difference between windows and linux, but I do get headaches, and I'm willing to try something to help that |
| 01:34.45 | miniCruzer | Question: Is it possible to install Debian from the LiveCD? |
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| 01:35.34 | ZitZ | there may be a few debian based live cds out there with an installer option, i don't know one off hand, someone here probably does |
| 01:35.47 | miniCruzer | Well thats disappointing |
| 01:36.05 | miniCruzer | Because my hardware - for whatever reason - will only successfully install *NIX using a LiveCD installer. |
| 01:37.12 | ZitZ | did you try the Debian-Live project? |
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| 01:37.21 | ZitZ | that's a weird problem though |
| 01:37.24 | miniCruzer | Yep, just installed it |
| 01:37.31 | miniCruzer | er, burned |
| 01:37.32 | miniCruzer | not installed |
| 01:37.33 | miniCruzer | And booted. |
| 01:37.47 | ZitZ | it doesn't have an installer? |
| 01:37.56 | nsadmin | live cds from debian do not have installers |
| 01:37.58 | miniCruzer | No icon for it. Nor is there an option when booting |
| 01:38.13 | miniCruzer | Its some sort of Hard Drive problem |
| 01:38.27 | miniCruzer | smart check reveals a lot of bad sectors |
| 01:38.38 | ZitZ | what happened when you tried to install debian normally? |
| 01:38.40 | nsadmin | oh, replace the drive |
| 01:38.44 | miniCruzer | I don't really have the funds to purchase a new harddrive just yet. |
| 01:38.49 | miniCruzer | And, |
| 01:38.50 | acu | is any screen -video and audio - recording works in Squeeze - I tried recordMyDesktop and Advanced button does not work (so I cannot change the sound card) and Istanbul is utterly unfunctional - is anything else available ? |
| 01:39.04 | miniCruzer | When it installs, it won't compile anything without crashing |
| 01:39.08 | nsadmin | that's not the fault of the installer :) |
| 01:39.28 | ZitZ | but it does install? |
| 01:39.31 | miniCruzer | Yes |
| 01:39.33 | miniCruzer | Boots |
| 01:39.35 | miniCruzer | Runs very slow |
| 01:39.36 | nsadmin | and not the fault of the compiler... cmon bub, you have bad sectors :) |
| 01:39.42 | miniCruzer | I |
| 01:39.44 | ZitZ | yeah, nsadmin is right |
| 01:39.51 | miniCruzer | I'm not blaming the compiler or the installer |
| 01:40.05 | ZitZ | you don't have an older hard drive laying around? |
| 01:40.12 | miniCruzer | Because fc13 installs fine on LiveCD |
| 01:40.22 | nsadmin | I can moreorless see that... but you originally presented it as a problem you weren't aware of... |
| 01:41.03 | miniCruzer | I know the problem; I just didn't know if Debian had a livecd installer |
| 01:41.52 | ZitZ | you can read up more on the debian-live project and see if it lets you do it, it sounds like they would to me |
| 01:42.28 | ZitZ | live-installer |
| 01:42.40 | miniCruzer | That it? |
| 01:42.53 | ZitZ | i'd try that command |
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| 01:43.08 | ZitZ | http://live.debian.net/devel/live-installer/ |
| 01:44.28 | nsadmin | perhaps the reason the live cd runs is because at first everything comes from the cd and the hd is not involved in any way |
| 01:44.47 | nsadmin | maybe you can form a list of bad sectors and have the partitioner use them |
| 01:45.59 | xiangfu | Hi all : |
| 01:45.59 | xiangfu | <xiangfu> Hi, I found I update some package form compile 'xburst-tools' like autoconf, m4, dpkg .... |
| 01:46.00 | xiangfu | <xiangfu> I am use "Debian 5.0.6 lenny" is there a easy way to update to last testing version?? (current I manually download and install ) |
| 01:46.54 | miniCruzer | I'll try that ZitZ |
| 01:47.16 | ZitZ | alright, you can also try nsadmin's advice |
| 01:47.16 | Cisien | are there any good web interfaces for a NAS box available to debian? |
| 01:47.36 | ZitZ | xiangfu, do you mean the newest version of the package? |
| 01:47.50 | xiangfu | ZitZ: yes. |
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| 01:48.39 | ZitZ | xiangfu, first check backports |
| 01:49.00 | nsadmin | Cisien: what interfaces are available to you now? |
| 01:49.39 | ZitZ | the "debian" way to do it, is to download the debianized source for testing, then use dpkg to build a package, but I would just temporarily add squeeze to your sources.list apt-get install it and then remove squeeze from my sources.list |
| 01:50.22 | Cisien | nsadmin, i'm currently just using ssh |
| 01:50.39 | nsadmin | can you do everything you want via ssh? |
| 01:50.59 | qq- | can't ? |
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| 01:51.01 | xiangfu | ZitZ: ok. I will also try to add squeeze to sources.list :) |
| 01:51.25 | nsadmin | qq: I didn't say that :P |
| 01:51.30 | qq- | ok |
| 01:51.36 | Cisien | nsadmin, yep, but i'm looking for a web interface, ssh is a poor web interface. |
| 01:52.07 | qq- | Cisien, ssh -X ? |
| 01:52.24 | ZitZ | xiangfu, you're actually supposed to do apt-get -t squeeze xpackage |
| 01:52.35 | ZitZ | it shouldn't matter though |
| 01:52.54 | xiangfu | ZitZ: ok. thanks . I will do it now :) |
| 01:53.11 | Cisien | qq-, no gui installed on this box |
| 01:53.12 | nsadmin | ZitZ, if he's running lenny, adding squeeze packages without compiling them for lenny can screw his system |
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| 01:53.15 | ZitZ | alright, good luck |
| 01:53.30 | ZitZ | yeah, that's why I told him what the debian way was too |
| 01:53.40 | indrora | Anyone got any suggestions for suspend under squeeze? |
| 01:53.46 | indrora | s/suspend/hibernate |
| 01:54.25 | nsadmin | for example, if he installs something that ends up installing the squeeze libc, he's majorly screwed, and at that point should upgrade to squeeze |
| 01:54.36 | ZitZ | the whole dpkg --buildpackage thing can be a bit long and arduous, especially for a newbie |
| 01:55.25 | ZitZ | worst case, it doesn't start X and you just downgrade |
| 01:55.32 | nsadmin | so he could just upgrade to squeeze, compile what he wants without debianation or look for backports |
| 01:55.49 | nsadmin | the official line on downgrading: restore from backup. |
| 01:55.49 | ZitZ | i did say backports is the first thing to do |
| 01:56.12 | nsadmin | just getting all that out there so he can see it |
| 01:56.25 | indrora | Ugh, lenny->squeeze is painful :V |
| 01:56.38 | ZitZ | okay, i did try to put choices out there though |
| 01:56.48 | nsadmin | that's a good thing... |
| 01:57.37 | nsadmin | choices are always good... but a choice for getting pierced ears could be use a rattlesnake :) |
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| 01:58.31 | nsadmin | in case it's not obvious, I'm not advocating that choice :) |
| 01:58.49 | ZitZ | lol, i didn't think you were |
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| 02:00.12 | nsadmin | by the exact same token, for a new user who wants to understand commands, I might introduce rmdir but NOT rm |
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| 02:00.57 | ZitZ | rm was a bit confusing when I was a beginner |
| 02:01.05 | indrora | I start with rm |
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| 02:01.32 | ZitZ | it's a quick google to find out that rm deletes on linux |
| 02:01.39 | indrora | because its better to say "never do something like "rm -r ./*"!" |
| 02:01.52 | indrora | Honestly, I dont rmdir anymore |
| 02:02.02 | indrora | If i want to nuke a dir i say rm -r dir/ |
| 02:02.07 | ZitZ | but to have any functionality with rm you often times need the -rf |
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| 02:02.22 | indrora | Aaah yes -f |
| 02:02.25 | nsadmin | well I don't introduce the concept at all; then, they have to ask |
| 02:03.41 | indrora | I generally start people off with a chroot'd shell |
| 02:04.00 | ZitZ | may I ask what you guys do? |
| 02:04.02 | indrora | I give them a VM for Windows (if thats their poison) and let them play |
| 02:04.15 | indrora | ZitZ, I'm an applications programmer going into IT. |
| 02:04.20 | indrora | You dont want my job. |
| 02:04.27 | ZitZ | is this a career i mean that you're doing this in? |
| 02:04.31 | ZitZ | oh, lol |
| 02:04.36 | ZitZ | probably not |
| 02:04.48 | indrora | Actually yes |
| 02:04.49 | indrora | :v |
| 02:04.57 | indrora | I do a lot of shell scripting when I'm doing serious hardcore stuff |
| 02:06.18 | ZitZ | you know, I keep wanting to learn Python or Perl, but all programs that I need are already written, and for anything I want to do, shell scripting can always get the job done |
| 02:06.25 | ZitZ | and it's easy, easy and powerful |
| 02:06.40 | indrora | you said easy twice. |
| 02:06.46 | indrora | and some shells are not as easy as you think |
| 02:06.47 | indrora | I use zsh |
| 02:06.57 | indrora | Which is convoluted in its design at times |
| 02:07.02 | indrora | but powerful |
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| 02:07.13 | ZitZ | I've only done bash |
| 02:07.20 | ZitZ | what's the reason for using zsh? |
| 02:07.36 | indrora | zsh is faster on my boxes. ALl of them |
| 02:07.38 | nsadmin | it's supposed to have better tab completion |
| 02:07.46 | indrora | It has awesome tab completion |
| 02:07.49 | miniCruzer | well thanks for your help ZitZ and nsadmin, but it looks like I'll be buying a new HDD. |
| 02:07.59 | ZitZ | the things I use, I know well, for instance i never do networking, therefore my knowledge is spotty in that area |
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| 02:08.27 | ZitZ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:08.36 | miniCruzer | I've seen it coming for a while |
| 02:08.41 | ZitZ | you can get storage really cheap these days, try newegg |
| 02:08.44 | miniCruzer | Its a pretty big pos |
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| 02:08.54 | miniCruzer | Yeah that's where I'll be buying from |
| 02:08.56 | ZitZ | you can get like 2TG for $100 |
| 02:08.57 | nsadmin | miniCruzer: get a couple, maybe get some older-model smaller drives for cheaper |
| 02:09.11 | nsadmin | 2 terragigabites? |
| 02:09.11 | ZitZ | if you have SATA raid, that's a great idea |
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| 02:09.19 | ZitZ | lol, TG |
| 02:09.27 | miniCruzer | Heh, I might not need THAT much |
| 02:09.28 | ZitZ | TB |
| 02:09.38 | miniCruzer | The computer itself is old |
| 02:09.45 | miniCruzer | It was manufactured in 2003 |
| 02:09.46 | nsadmin | get something like 100g |
| 02:09.53 | nsadmin | that's not that old |
| 02:09.59 | miniCruzer | Dell |
| 02:10.01 | nsadmin | does it have sata? |
| 02:10.11 | miniCruzer | No |
| 02:10.33 | nsadmin | you -might- want to get a sata controller; it could be that pata drives of the same size may be more expensive |
| 02:10.35 | CompWizrd | WD still makes a 160 gig IDE drive, the caviar blue |
| 02:10.42 | miniCruzer | Yea, on boot: "A hard dsik may be failing" |
| 02:10.49 | CompWizrd | and yeah, expensive relative to buying a sata controller and some cheap drives |
| 02:11.11 | ZitZ | nsadmin, i had a lot of trouble when I used an sata card on a motherboard that didn't have native sata |
| 02:11.15 | nsadmin | the 160g ide could be a good choice |
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| 02:11.23 | miniCruzer | Not worth it for this |
| 02:11.33 | nsadmin | then get an even smaller one |
| 02:11.39 | ZitZ | i had to hack the bios, maybe it was a too low budget card |
| 02:11.50 | miniCruzer | When this PC's warranty expires, its going straight to *NIX |
| 02:12.04 | CompWizrd | believe there's an 80 available still as well, in case your hardware can't speak LBA48 |
| 02:12.08 | nsadmin | you might be able to get like 10-13g drives for pennies or free |
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| 02:12.21 | Avo | so i want to dualboot debian on my 2008 iMac. But I read somewhere that Linux can't manage the Mac SMC and therefore damages the processor because it can't manage the voltage correctly. Can anyone confirm/deny this? |
| 02:12.36 | miniCruzer | I'll do some shopping - I've got a killer headache. |
| 02:12.40 | nsadmin | voltage? |
| 02:12.41 | miniCruzer | So goodnight ;] |
| 02:12.43 | ZitZ | i don't think it's that hard to get cheap PATA drives, if it is, boy times change fast |
| 02:12.51 | nsadmin | ugh, you do not want to fuck with voltages |
| 02:12.56 | CompWizrd | ZitZ: well, most of them haven't been made for years |
| 02:13.05 | CompWizrd | it's harder for me to find decent laptop drives, oddly enough |
| 02:13.15 | CompWizrd | in IDE |
| 02:13.32 | nsadmin | I found a 320g drive, pata, 2.5" for my laptop |
| 02:13.36 | nsadmin | works good |
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| 02:14.00 | ZitZ | damn, that's amazing |
| 02:14.14 | ZitZ | good thing i switched that mobo |
| 02:14.19 | nsadmin | it was like a hundred bux |
| 02:14.29 | CompWizrd | i have to pick up some PATA to SATA adapters that work on 2.5" hard drives for a couple machines at work.. those are hard to find, especially since there's no 4 pin molex or floppy drive connectors available, so it has to get power for the bridge via the hard drive cable |
| 02:14.41 | ZitZ | for 320 2.5, that sounds about right |
| 02:15.08 | ZitZ | adapter for the data cable or the power? |
| 02:15.17 | CompWizrd | data |
| 02:15.24 | CompWizrd | comes in via pata, exits to the drive as SATA |
| 02:15.27 | ZitZ | i have an adapter for the power, it was pretty cheap from newegg |
| 02:15.31 | CompWizrd | want to put some SSD's on some industrial equipment |
| 02:15.39 | CompWizrd | where there's currently a 2.5" IDE hard drive on it |
| 02:15.56 | ZitZ | yeah, i could imagine it being expensive for the data cable adapters |
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| 02:16.08 | CompWizrd | think they're about 30 bucks each, the fun part is actually finding one in stock :) |
| 02:16.40 | CompWizrd | the machine actually has a full height PCI slot in it, i debated putting a 3ware 9500S in it, but then i can't power it |
| 02:17.16 | ZitZ | oh, you can't go to a computer store and find anyone who knows what they're talking about |
| 02:17.31 | ZitZ | especially at the places that don't specialize in computers |
| 02:17.44 | ZitZ | electronics in general really |
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| 02:18.46 | nsadmin | can't power the 3ware card? the drives? |
| 02:19.22 | CompWizrd | nsadmin: yeah, if i put a 3ware card in there, then i end up with a SATA cable to the SATA drive.. but no sata power cable :) |
| 02:19.50 | CompWizrd | this way i can still use the existing IDE data+power 44 pin cable, and end up with proper power for the SATA drive |
| 02:20.14 | nsadmin | I suppose the space is too small to put an extra psu that just has sata power cables |
| 02:20.24 | CompWizrd | yeah, it's an industrial machine |
| 02:20.49 | CompWizrd | in theory i could get a USB to SATA adapter and just use the power supply out of that.. rather have something simple |
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| 02:21.13 | CompWizrd | www.cooldrives.com/2sahadrtoide.html |
| 02:21.16 | CompWizrd | there's the one i was looking at |
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| 02:23.52 | CompWizrd | i have to modify the chassis the hard drive locks into (it's a shockmount) but that's trivial.. either don't lock it and bypass the sensor, or just dremel off some metal bits on the side |
| 02:23.52 | CompWizrd | so anyways, to make this all on topic again, there's decent SATA to PATA bridges if you can't find a PATA drive.. the 3.5" size is far easier to find adapers for |
| 02:23.53 | indrora | Can anyone suggest a method to passively proxy (that is, do this entirely for statistics) all network communications on a network? |
| 02:23.57 | ZitZ | cool gadget |
| 02:23.58 | ZitZ | $20 too |
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| 02:24.24 | indrora | I have a gateway/router on 192.168.0.1 and a box on 192.168.0.2 that I want to have net stats on |
| 02:24.28 | indrora | is this possible? |
| 02:24.30 | indrora | Easily? |
| 02:24.44 | CompWizrd | ZitZ: yeah, the price is right.. with a 32 gig or 64 gig SSD attached, should last a lot longer than the laptop drives we're using now |
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| 02:24.56 | Dewi | indrora: tried ntop, iptraf for a start? |
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| 02:25.04 | indrora | Dewi, I plan on using vnstat |
| 02:25.10 | indrora | but I dont really control the router |
| 02:25.18 | ZitZ | lol, networking is not what I do, I understand what you are saying, and it sounds like it would be doable |
| 02:25.19 | indrora | its the ISPs, and it does my wireless |
| 02:25.45 | ZitZ | CompWizrd, you're using SSDs as the main drives? |
| 02:26.03 | Dewi | indrora: so why can't you just measure directly using a stats tool |
| 02:26.21 | indrora | Dewi, Because I can't control my gateway |
| 02:26.23 | indrora | Its not /mine/ |
| 02:26.32 | indrora | its my ISPs |
| 02:26.39 | indrora | Here's what I have: |
| 02:27.01 | indrora | A router on 192.168.0.1 (NOT MY CONTROL!) which does Wireless AP stuff and routing and PPPOE |
| 02:27.08 | abrotman | indrora: you could set up a bridge, and push everything through that |
| 02:27.31 | indrora | a box on 192.168.0.2 which I want to use as a passive transparent proxy simply for statistical data |
| 02:27.58 | Dewi | indrora: just route everything through it, you don't need to proxy |
| 02:28.09 | indrora | Dewi, How can I set up ipTables to do that? |
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| 02:29.32 | nsadmin | you could look at ipmasq (nice the way it works, it needs a maintainer) which is still in lenny but not sid or testing |
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| 02:29.47 | indrora | ipmasq? |
| 02:29.52 | indrora | will look into |
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| 02:30.07 | nsadmin | I would recommend getting and saving the debianized source |
| 02:30.21 | ZitZ | isn't ipmasq obsolete? |
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| 02:30.24 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:30.33 | abrotman | he should really just use a bridge .. |
| 02:30.35 | nsadmin | that's what the maintainer said... |
| 02:30.39 | indrora | I can't use a bridge |
| 02:30.42 | nsadmin | but I don't know what replaces |
| 02:30.45 | abrotman | indrora: why not? |
| 02:30.47 | abrotman | nsadmin: iptables |
| 02:30.58 | ZitZ | yeah, iptables does everything ipmasq would do now |
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| 02:31.05 | abrotman | has for ages |
| 02:31.07 | Dewi | ZitZ: didn't it always? |
| 02:31.09 | indrora | abrotman, Because using a bridge would require 2 NICs. I can't replace the fact that my current router/gateway does my Wireless |
| 02:31.18 | Dewi | ZitZ: ipmasq the package is just a frontend |
| 02:31.23 | Oleg_ | Hi. Please tell me how to check what font I am currently using on my lenny system |
| 02:31.24 | Dewi | (isn't it?) |
| 02:31.26 | ZitZ | well, it has for as long as i have been around |
| 02:31.39 | ZitZ | i don't think it was just a frontend though |
| 02:31.44 | indrora | Oleg_, What WM? GNOME? KDE? |
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| 02:31.50 | abrotman | indrora: ah okay .. would your ISP konw if you put another router in between you and them ? |
| 02:32.02 | nsadmin | it always did, and here's proof of that: ipmask works by on-the-fly calculating iptables rules, which then -solely- operate as a masqing router |
| 02:32.05 | Oleg_ | indora: just plain console |
| 02:32.06 | indrora | abrotman, Yes. they'll kick me if I have a layer below. |
| 02:32.11 | abrotman | okay |
| 02:32.15 | indrora | Oleg_, like, xterm? |
| 02:32.19 | indrora | abrotman, I'm thinking something like iptables --append FORWARD --in-interface eth0 -j ACCEPT |
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| 02:32.21 | ZitZ | i came in at the tail end of ipmasq's lifetime, just to add to my confusion when I started i had to figure out if i needed iptables or ipmasq |
| 02:32.26 | Oleg_ | no, X is not installed |
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| 02:32.36 | indrora | Oleg_, then its probly either Fixed or Terminus |
| 02:32.46 | ZitZ | then i realized in Linux, I don't need a firewall at all! and I have no other reason to use it right now |
| 02:32.51 | nsadmin | ipmasq just writes iptables rules |
| 02:33.05 | Oleg_ | is there a way I can know it for sure? |
| 02:33.10 | nsadmin | and reads the interfaces it finds to be up |
| 02:33.27 | indrora | abrotman, Do you think that that Iptables rule would do the job? |
| 02:33.46 | abrotman | indrora: you won't be able to get in-between the wifi though |
| 02:33.57 | indrora | abrotman, Why? it'll come in on eth0 |
| 02:34.00 | Dewi | nsadmin: yeah, that's what I thought. I've never used that package |
| 02:34.03 | nsadmin | that would still constitute a "layer below: |
| 02:34.14 | indrora | wifi will go from the AP -> eth0 -> gw right? |
| 02:34.23 | indrora | gw and AP happen to be on the same device |
| 02:34.38 | nsadmin | a wifi ap would also constitute a "layer below" |
| 02:34.53 | Dewi | indrora: yeah, if you can't block or disable dhcp you might have to use static configurations on the clients |
| 02:34.54 | Oleg_ | because I am having a problem. My debian system can display unicode characters that I want it to display; however, my gentoo system is still unable to display them even though I keep re-configuring it |
| 02:35.10 | indrora | Dewi, that same box serves DNS and DHCP |
| 02:35.21 | indrora | I have BIND9 and dhcpd running on it. |
| 02:35.38 | indrora | actually, its dhcpd and dnsmasq |
| 02:35.39 | Dewi | indrora: yeah, but I am assuming the access-point does DHCP too, they normally do, unless you can turn that off |
| 02:35.47 | indrora | AP has it turned off |
| 02:35.55 | indrora | AP/Gateway has DHCP disabled |
| 02:36.13 | Dewi | indrora: is this an ADSL type deal? as in, PPPoE or PPPoA? |
| 02:36.21 | indrora | xDSL |
| 02:36.28 | Dewi | indrora: cause what would really simplify things is if you could run the PPP client in linux |
| 02:36.42 | indrora | what I have is: |
| 02:36.46 | indrora | an Actiontec router |
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| 02:36.50 | indrora | with AP and USB |
| 02:36.59 | indrora | And a box (lilac) running Lenny |
| 02:37.04 | Dewi | cause then you're back to the router just being 2 kinds of bridge: wireless ethernet and PPP |
| 02:37.14 | Dewi | and it doesn't have to mess with IP level networking at all |
| 02:37.24 | Dewi | (this is how I run things at home actually) |
| 02:37.34 | indrora | yeah, I've tried doing it |
| 02:37.38 | indrora | My ISP needs something odd |
| 02:37.42 | indrora | uses QWEst |
| 02:38.54 | Dewi | indrora: well, unless you can do sophisticated routing tables on the router, you have to add a layer if it's running ppp |
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| 02:39.41 | indrora | Dewi, I can't. |
| 02:39.51 | indrora | so I guess I'm going to add a layer and hope :v |
| 02:40.01 | sweetpi | im confused, why would they kick you if you put a router in-between? I must have missed something, why not just spoof the mac? |
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| 02:41.04 | Dewi | I thought we left those days behind a long time ago, even in australia |
| 02:41.21 | indrora | Hold on |
| 02:41.23 | Dewi | I remember an ISP that had rules about what networks you could run at home, but that was circa 1999 :( |
| 02:41.24 | indrora | I've added the IPTables rule |
| 02:41.29 | indrora | Let me try |
| 02:41.44 | Dewi | (and we all ignored the rules anyway) |
| 02:42.00 | Dewi | (pretty impossible to enforce and of dubious legality) |
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| 02:42.27 | nsadmin | you could put a router after it |
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| 02:42.57 | nsadmin | instead of between the modem and the router you could put it on the "inside" of the router |
| 02:44.00 | ZitZ | hey, I use rsync to backup my files, but if I change the year on the tag of an mp3, rsync doesn't pick up the change |
| 02:44.14 | ZitZ | i guess because the file size didn't change |
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| 02:44.27 | nsadmin | what do you expect, it's using that data to determine whether to update |
| 02:44.35 | oracle | crap |
| 02:44.41 | Dewi | ZitZ: it can use timestamps |
| 02:44.42 | oracle | the boot.img didnt work at all |
| 02:44.56 | ZitZ | i don't know if I want it to though |
| 02:45.01 | oracle | i wanted something i could simply write to the usb stick but nothing worked |
| 02:45.03 | ZitZ | maybe just in these circumstances |
| 02:45.07 | Dewi | ZitZ: --times |
| 02:45.17 | Dewi | ZitZ: why not? |
| 02:46.09 | ZitZ | i don't know, lack of trust maybe, lol |
| 02:46.19 | ZitZ | no real reason just me being to paranoid |
| 02:46.37 | Dewi | paranoia should lead to using more metadata, not less :P |
| 02:46.47 | Dewi | more accurate |
| 02:46.56 | ZitZ | I guess I'll change my scripts to use --times as well |
| 02:47.11 | ZitZ | yeah, good point, it should |
| 02:47.15 | Dewi | worst case scenario is some extra disk scanning if something changes dates without changing much |
| 02:48.52 | ZitZ | yeah, i'm trying to think of what would change my dates |
| 02:49.06 | Dewi | and the first time will be slow, because the dates will not be matching |
| 02:49.23 | Dewi | I guess you could do --times --ignore-times on the first run to make it faster |
| 02:49.27 | Dewi | and then lose the --ignore-times |
| 02:49.52 | ZitZ | you see, even if something is older, if it's from what I set as the source, and it's different from the destination, i want it to be synced |
| 02:50.19 | Dewi | ZitZ: yeah, rsync doesn't mess around with "newer", "older" type logic |
| 02:50.24 | Dewi | ZitZ: it's just "is it different?" |
| 02:50.44 | Dewi | like with the sizes |
| 02:50.58 | ZitZ | unless I use --times |
| 02:51.09 | ZitZ | in which case it will sync if it is newer |
| 02:51.12 | Dewi | no |
| 02:51.16 | Dewi | that's not what it does at all |
| 02:51.20 | ZitZ | ? |
| 02:51.22 | Dewi | all --times does is set times on destination |
| 02:51.28 | Dewi | instead of not setting them |
| 02:51.50 | nsadmin | so if you do that, the timestamps match between source and dest? |
| 02:51.52 | Dewi | rsync, by default, looks for differences in size and time |
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| 02:52.01 | indrora | Nope that didn't work |
| 02:52.04 | Dewi | at the moment your times *always* differ |
| 02:52.05 | indrora | Okay |
| 02:52.28 | Dewi | because on destination side they are whenever you happened to run the copy |
| 02:52.42 | ZitZ | right |
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| 02:52.56 | Dewi | it doesn't do anything like "only update newer". It can do that, but that's a different option |
| 02:53.30 | indrora | Okay, so I guess I'm asking a bad question |
| 02:53.41 | indrora | I guess the better question is |
| 02:53.54 | indrora | How can I make a box accept anything that it doesn't already listen to and forward it to another IP? |
| 02:54.02 | abrotman | wonders where in ME pipegeek is |
| 02:54.08 | Dewi | ZitZ: fundamentally it's just a way to avoid scanning all files every run; it assumes if both dates and sizes match then sameness can be assumed |
| 02:54.10 | ZitZ | so if i use --times, it will make sure files that are the same are given the same time |
| 02:54.11 | indrora | See: A cheap DMZ |
| 02:54.40 | Dewi | ZitZ: yeah it just copies the times across |
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| 02:54.57 | ZitZ | so it will be slower the first time |
| 02:55.18 | ZitZ | the first time i run it that is, because it has to copy all the times across |
| 02:55.19 | Dewi | ZitZ: well I guess it'll be as slow as it is now |
| 02:55.42 | Dewi | actually I'm not sure on that |
| 02:55.56 | Dewi | but you can see what I mean, it will see lots of potential differences and will scan just about every file |
| 02:56.27 | ZitZ | yeah, that's what I'm afraid of, it would slow it down |
| 02:56.35 | ZitZ | it's pretty fast as I'm using it now |
| 02:56.38 | Dewi | yeah, but only once |
| 02:56.43 | ZitZ | right |
| 02:56.56 | Dewi | or you could sync the times up yourself first |
| 02:56.59 | Dewi | I did that once |
| 02:57.03 | Dewi | it was a pretty painful script tho :P |
| 02:57.05 | sweetpi | indrora: iptables and 2 nics if I understand you correctly |
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| 02:57.15 | indrora | sweetpi, I can't do 2 nics |
| 02:57.27 | indrora | I want the process to be as follows: |
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| 02:57.43 | indrora | I connect to somewhere |
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| 02:57.55 | ZitZ | Dewi, I think I have to, it's only once |
| 02:58.05 | indrora | It goes from MY box to the MitM box (for stats) which then goes to the NORMAL gateway |
| 02:58.05 | ZitZ | and I don't see other alternatives |
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| 02:58.20 | ZitZ | atleast not as quick and simple as using rsync which I already know decently well |
| 02:58.22 | Dewi | ZitZ: at least it's just HD activity and not network |
| 02:58.57 | Dewi | ZitZ: well, apart from transmitting a little metdata, but that won't be big |
| 02:58.58 | ZitZ | yeah, I've done it network though, it's still pretty quick, but this wouldn't be |
| 02:59.36 | Dewi | ZitZ: oh, I was just assuming you were using it over a network. I use it for local too though, it's easily the best copy tool in linux |
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| 02:59.49 | sweetpi | indrora: ok so setup the snoop to forward packets from you to the gateway, and have your box's gateway set to the it |
| 03:00.10 | ZitZ | well, it turns out one of my scripts is already using --size-only |
| 03:00.44 | sweetpi | s/the it/it/ |
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| 03:03.02 | Oleg_ | People, I really need to know what font my Debian system is using now |
| 03:03.10 | Oleg_ | Can someone tell me how to check it please? |
| 03:03.16 | sweetpi | indrora: would seem much simpler with 2 nics or arp poison |
| 03:04.41 | Oleg_ | please? |
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| 03:07.02 | indrora | Got it! |
| 03:07.22 | indrora | The rule I wanted in IPTables was -i eth0 -o eth0 -j ACCEPT -A FORWARD |
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| 03:13.16 | theDoc | Hi all, what's the difference between the gshadow and gshadow- files in debian lenny? |
| 03:13.56 | Bushmills | one is pre update, other current version |
| 03:14.18 | theDoc | Bushmills> Thanks! |
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| 03:21.39 | qiyong | how to name a mail lists hostname? lists.example.com ? what else? |
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| 03:26.25 | bikcmp | Hi all, I have debian installed on my phone (long story, don't ask), but when I try to resolve a domain, it returns socket: Permission denied |
| 03:26.31 | bikcmp | it works fine as root. |
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| 03:28.16 | txdv | hello mates |
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| 03:28.31 | txdv | i want to force debian to have *small letters* when booting |
| 03:28.35 | txdv | like ubuntu does |
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| 03:28.41 | txdv | but i dont know what the feature is called |
| 03:28.45 | txdv | give me some google keywordzz plz |
| 03:28.51 | sweetpi | txdv: framebuffer |
| 03:29.32 | sweetpi | bikcmp: define "resolve a domain" |
| 03:29.40 | bikcmp | host blah.com |
| 03:29.54 | txdv | thanks sweetpi |
| 03:29.58 | bikcmp | or try to do anything that involves a domain. |
| 03:30.02 | bikcmp | let me see if ip's work |
| 03:30.12 | bikcmp | localhost:/root$ ping 208.67.222.222 |
| 03:30.13 | bikcmp | socket: Permission denied |
| 03:32.03 | sweetpi | ping/traceroute need sticky, I dont think thats the problem though |
| 03:32.13 | Dewi | bikcmp: I guess sockets are something with permissions on your phone? |
| 03:32.17 | bikcmp | Dewi: i doubt it |
| 03:32.22 | bikcmp | well, with permissions for debian |
| 03:32.31 | bikcmp | using debian as root works fine |
| 03:33.11 | gnutron | bikcmp: groups perhaps? |
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| 03:33.21 | Dewi | bikcmp: ls -l `which ping` |
| 03:33.33 | Dewi | bikcmp: make sure it has u+s |
| 03:33.35 | bikcmp | localhost:/root$ ls -l `which ping` |
| 03:33.35 | bikcmp | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 34852 Jun 22 2009 /bin/ping |
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| 03:34.11 | Dewi | I think sweetpi's idea about sticky perms is the right one |
| 03:34.32 | bikcmp | probably |
| 03:34.35 | bikcmp | how can I fix that? |
| 03:35.08 | Dewi | you can fix that one file with sudo chmod u+s /bin/ping |
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| 03:35.30 | Dewi | bikcmp: dunno how you'd fix the whole set of incorrect ones you might have |
| 03:35.38 | bikcmp | Dewi: same error |
| 03:35.45 | bikcmp | localhost:/root$ ping 208.67.222.222 |
| 03:35.45 | bikcmp | socket: Permission denied |
| 03:36.51 | nsadmin | look at perms on /tmp |
| 03:37.18 | bikcmp | total 0 |
| 03:37.27 | Dewi | you could strace it - strace ping 208.67.222.222 |
| 03:37.28 | nsadmin | try ls -ld /tmp |
| 03:37.44 | bikcmp | I think that's it |
| 03:37.45 | bikcmp | localhost:/root$ ls -ld /tmp |
| 03:37.45 | bikcmp | drwxrwxrwx 2 root root 4096 Sep 27 03:23 /tmp |
| 03:38.06 | nsadmin | oh you need that T at the end |
| 03:38.09 | Dewi | hey that's strange |
| 03:38.25 | Dewi | when I strace that command I get the permission error :P |
| 03:38.30 | gnutron | bikcmp: ping should be chmod 4755 4 being a sticky bit, /tmp should also have the sticky bit set |
| 03:38.32 | bikcmp | it's spreading! |
| 03:38.32 | bikcmp | haha |
| 03:38.42 | bikcmp | gnutron: how can I set that, then? |
| 03:38.57 | jhujhiti | -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 33K Jul 25 06:49 /bin/ping* |
| 03:39.13 | jhujhiti | chmod u+s `which ping` |
| 03:39.22 | jhujhiti | also, wow, suid ping? really, linux? really? |
| 03:39.36 | gnutron | bikcmp: for ping or /tmp/ ? chmod 4755 /bin/ping |
| 03:39.54 | nsadmin | 4 is not sticky, it's setuid |
| 03:40.25 | nsadmin | try chmod 1777 /tmp |
| 03:40.27 | gnutron | nsadmin: ok. sorry |
| 03:40.31 | nsadmin | and then ls -ld /tmp |
| 03:40.40 | bikcmp | nsadmin: give me a second |
| 03:40.58 | gnutron | bikcmp: /tmp/ is usually chmod 1777 |
| 03:41.06 | bikcmp | gnutron: ah |
| 03:41.30 | nsadmin | then, there might be files in /tmp that aren't properly owned, you'll have to take care of those |
| 03:41.31 | bikcmp | that didn't seem to do anything |
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| 03:42.09 | allure | If a client of mine asks me to install postgresql-8.2 and I install 8.3... could that be a problem? |
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| 03:42.18 | nsadmin | could be yes |
| 03:42.32 | allure | hmmm why is that? |
| 03:42.36 | Dewi | allure: might be okay. PG is pretty conservative |
| 03:42.42 | jhujhiti | also, the reason you get permission denied with strace is that strace isn't suid |
| 03:42.44 | allure | Dewi: cool =) |
| 03:42.51 | Dewi | allure: but obviously client libs change over time |
| 03:42.57 | nsadmin | he might have 8.2 databases |
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| 03:43.15 | allure | 8.2 databases wouldn't work? |
| 03:43.23 | nsadmin | if he does, they will NOT work with 8.3 |
| 03:43.48 | nsadmin | unless he dumps from 8.2 and restores onto 8.3 |
| 03:43.59 | allure | hmmm.. nice idea |
| 03:44.07 | nsadmin | don't do it for him |
| 03:44.17 | nsadmin | there could be other things at play |
| 03:44.25 | allure | hehehe |
| 03:44.28 | allure | great advice :) |
| 03:45.08 | nsadmin | multiple versions of pg can coexist due to the cluster thing defined by postgresql-common |
| 03:45.24 | allure | how can I easily install 8.2 on lenny? |
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| 03:45.47 | nsadmin | compile it from debianized source |
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| 03:46.04 | allure | debianized source? |
| 03:46.15 | nsadmin | or find what versions do exist for lenny |
| 03:46.27 | nsadmin | I was running 7.4.x |
| 03:46.54 | allure | hmmm |
| 03:47.04 | allure | what do you mean by debianized source? |
| 03:47.19 | nsadmin | source that was altered to add debian packaging |
| 03:47.27 | wipt | I'm trying to boot a fresh PPC install. After adding sata disks, the main drives adress changes and it won't boot. It drops me down to a busybox shell - how do I continue on with the correct drive,partition (I beleive add3) |
| 03:47.35 | allure | where can I find those? |
| 03:47.52 | nsadmin | so that when you ask for its build depends, they are installed and when you build it, it produces several debian packages you can install |
| 03:48.18 | nsadmin | not sure; you'll have to search or maybe search again (err I mean REsearch) |
| 03:48.35 | allure | alright |
| 03:48.40 | allure | thank you very much! :) |
| 03:49.27 | nsadmin | if worst comes to worst, you can build it from non-debianized source, and if you do that, probably best to take the default location of /usr/local/pgsql |
| 03:50.30 | nsadmin | once you do that, you'll have to choose a port that's not one of the ports your installed pgs use |
| 03:50.52 | allure | hmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 03:50.56 | allure | alright |
| 03:51.03 | allure | that was another cool tip :) thank you |
| 03:51.10 | nsadmin | tell your client the port, and point him to pg_config which if in default location will be /usr/local/pgsql/bin/pg_config |
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| 03:52.22 | nsadmin | if you end up succeeding at building it from debianized sources, install all the lib packages you get including the -dev ones and find where pg_config is located, probably /usr/lib/postgresql/8.2/bin/pg_config |
| 03:52.47 | allure | dev ones too? hmm, alright :D |
| 03:53.09 | nsadmin | he will still need the port, which would be chosen at the time the postgresql-8.2 package is installed |
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| 03:54.05 | nsadmin | why the -dev? because pg_config would be installed in that case, and would tell where pg is installed among other info |
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| 03:54.32 | nsadmin | and also allow your client to build stuff against pg client libs |
| 03:55.17 | nsadmin | which almost 90% chance he'll want to do |
| 03:55.27 | nsadmin | good luck |
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| 04:00.20 | allure | thank you very much :D |
| 04:00.24 | allure | :) |
| 04:00.55 | NiLon | !squeeze |
| 04:00.55 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the next release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0. It is the three-eyed space alien. Ask me about <wwsr> for recent updates and see also <testing> <squeeze udev> <squeeze kernel> <lenny->squeeze> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze . The Debian release is not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. |
| 04:01.02 | NiLon | hmm |
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| 04:01.10 | NiLon | !squeeze pool |
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| 04:04.14 | passingby | Hi! can debian-testing-amd64-CD-1.iso be installed to a pen drive? how much minimum space would be required? |
| 04:04.56 | passingby | i mean install debian using the above file. |
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| 04:05.35 | Oleg_ | people!!! |
| 04:05.53 | Oleg_ | please tell me how to check what console font my Debian system is using!!!! |
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| 04:09.20 | Dewi | Oleg_: at a guess /etc/console-tools/config might be interesting |
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| 04:13.35 | acu | I am trying to use gtk-recordMyDesktop and the advanced button does not work - what is the solution ? |
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| 04:14.29 | acu | !recordmydesktop |
| 04:14.45 | acu | !gtk-recordMyDesktop |
| 04:16.12 | sweetpi | !info gtk-recordmydesktop |
| 04:16.40 | dpkg | gtk-recordmydesktop: (Graphical frontend for recordmydesktop screencast tool), section video, is optional. Version: 0.3.8-3 (sid), Packaged size: 87 kB, Installed size: 596 kB |
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| 04:26.50 | johntramp | hi. is it possible to un-source something? or do i need to restart the terminal session |
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| 04:29.32 | Kar1sl16ht | uhmmmm what to you mean johntramp |
| 04:30.14 | Kar1sl16ht | like desamble a bin file and get source code or what |
| 04:31.49 | johntramp | after source /etc/profile for eg, can that be undone |
| 04:32.10 | johntramp | - i have a build profile for compiling openembedded stuff |
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| 04:35.22 | indrora__ | Allright |
| 04:35.22 | peterrooney | johntramp: you can re-set PATH and PS1 |
| 04:35.44 | johntramp | ok, not really what i want. it doesn't really matter |
| 04:35.44 | indrora | How can I set up a server which collects the amount of bandwidth the entire network is using |
| 04:36.04 | peterrooney | johntramp: better to only set profile environment for the user who's building stuff rather than for every user on system. |
| 04:36.26 | johntramp | peterrooney: i know, i am sourcing the profile when i want to build. |
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| 04:42.29 | peterrooney | johntramp: I suppose you could save the env somewhere before sourcing it |
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| 04:45.48 | jpinx-eeepc | I have a hung/frozen application (x-editor called scite) which has hung because I unceremoniously unplugger the device it was working with. Now it refuses to die even with root kill -9 and the command line ls is also frozen - presumably for a similar reason. What can I do to kill it? |
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| 04:47.12 | sweetpi | maybe plug it back in or kill its parent processes |
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| 04:48.55 | jpinx-eeepc | plugging it back it is not enough, it refuses to connect because of the hung process. How do I dentify the parent process? |
| 04:49.52 | jpinx-eeepc | is there a way to list processes in some kind of tree so that you can see what spawned what? |
| 04:50.21 | indrora | pkill ? |
| 04:51.05 | peterrooney | jpinx-eeepc: "ps -ef f" |
| 04:52.12 | peterrooney | the gnu --forest option (also just 'f' on cmd line) is a godsend, and when I'm on solaris systems I want to reprogram ptree with a large axe. |
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| 04:52.26 | jpinx-eeepc | peterrooney: nice one - thanks |
| 04:52.41 | sweetpi | or pstree -p -H<pid> |
| 04:52.44 | jpinx-eeepc | loads his gun |
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| 04:57.34 | jpinx-eeepc | sweetpi: that's a neat one too - thanks - now dead process and all connected again... |
| 04:58.12 | Oleg_ | this is really interesting... looks like Debian supports unicode even if you install a very basic system |
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| 04:59.06 | Dewi | Oleg_: yes, unicode has been the default for a couple of releases now |
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| 05:00.20 | Oleg_ | even though it says that the locale is en_GB |
| 05:00.35 | Oleg_ | that's really interesting |
| 05:03.10 | Oleg_ | how can you explain it? |
| 05:03.24 | Dewi | Oleg_: well, you can still use non-unicode locales if you want |
| 05:03.48 | Dewi | the corresponding unicode one would be en_GB.UTF-8 |
| 05:04.04 | Dewi | what kind of unicode support are you talking about? |
| 05:04.23 | Oleg_ | no, I am asking you how the console is able to display unicode characters if the locale is set to en_GB? |
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| 05:05.01 | Oleg_ | I mean, even though it's set to en_GB, the console still displays unicode characters correctly |
| 05:05.14 | Dewi | Oleg_: depends if the console has unicode support |
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| 05:06.01 | Oleg_ | you mean, the shell? |
| 05:06.17 | Dewi | Oleg_: no, the console |
| 05:06.21 | Dewi | the terminal |
| 05:06.25 | Dewi | rather |
| 05:06.38 | Oleg_ | what do you mean? |
| 05:06.43 | Dewi | Oleg_: could you be more specific about what you're seeing? |
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| 05:06.58 | Dewi | terminals are responsible for converting bits into characters |
| 05:07.02 | Oleg_ | this character: http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/2763/index.htm |
| 05:07.03 | Dewi | shells don't do anything |
| 05:07.17 | Dewi | Oleg_: and what program is outputting it to your terminal? |
| 05:07.24 | Oleg_ | however, no matter how much I struggle with gentoo, it still doesn't let me see that character |
| 05:07.29 | Oleg_ | ./a.out |
| 05:07.39 | Oleg_ | I compiled a C++ program |
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| 05:08.02 | Dewi | Oleg_: what encoding are you writing out? |
| 05:08.13 | Oleg_ | I don't understand the question |
| 05:08.14 | Dewi | and what's the terminal? a linux console? |
| 05:08.19 | Oleg_ | yes |
| 05:08.28 | Dewi | as in the boot-time one |
| 05:08.35 | Dewi | you're not using x-windows |
| 05:08.39 | Oleg_ | no |
| 05:08.51 | Oleg_ | it's just a basic system |
| 05:09.21 | Dewi | maybe the linux console detects utf-8 sequences |
| 05:09.33 | Oleg_ | I am just puzzled by the fact that gentoo can't display it when I don't load X on it |
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| 05:09.45 | Oleg_ | no matter how much I struggle with it |
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| 05:10.37 | Oleg_ | how is the Debian console able to detect utf8 sequences? |
| 05:10.38 | Dewi | Oleg_: do you know what tty it is by any chance? |
| 05:10.48 | Oleg_ | it's a terminal? |
| 05:10.50 | Dewi | Oleg_: they are easily detectable; they don't resemble other data |
| 05:11.00 | Dewi | low false positive rate |
| 05:11.23 | Dewi | there is 'charset(1)' which can list the charset a tty is using |
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| 05:12.18 | Dewi | Oleg_: what do you see in gentoo instead of the desired character? |
| 05:12.32 | Oleg_ | some crap |
| 05:12.38 | Dewi | how many chars |
| 05:12.43 | Oleg_ | just one |
| 05:13.05 | Oleg_ | I am just amazed by the fact that a very basic Debian system is able to display it correctly |
| 05:13.08 | Dewi | if it was using a single-byte system you'd see more than one |
| 05:13.24 | Dewi | so it sounds more like a missing font for that reason |
| 05:13.43 | Dewi | (a character missing from the selected font, I mean) |
| 05:14.01 | Dewi | (but of course a lot of font systems use fallback fonts if they are available in that case) |
| 05:14.10 | Oleg_ | ok, so my Debian system is running the font that is able to display that character? |
| 05:14.20 | Dewi | or has one available, I guess |
| 05:14.32 | Oleg_ | charset --tty=G1 |
| 05:14.35 | Oleg_ | doesn't work for me |
| 05:14.47 | Dewi | G1 isn't a tty, it's a slot |
| 05:15.08 | Dewi | I didn't realize it can't actually tell you what the current setting is, only change it |
| 05:15.13 | Dewi | not that useful |
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| 05:16.05 | Oleg_ | I absolutely don't know how to make gentoo display the character correctly |
| 05:16.15 | Oleg_ | no matter what font I use, I am still unsuccessful |
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| 05:16.50 | Dewi | Oleg_: are you really intending to use linux terminal with unicode for something? |
| 05:17.23 | Oleg_ | I want unicode characters to be displayed on a linux console |
| 05:18.21 | Dewi | Oleg_: tried using font lat0-sun16 like debian does? |
| 05:18.35 | Oleg_ | yes |
| 05:18.59 | Oleg_ | I ran "setfont lat0-sun16" on my gentoo system and it still couldn't display the character correctly |
| 05:19.02 | Oleg_ | very puzzling |
| 05:19.20 | Dewi | what did it display instead tho? |
| 05:20.11 | Oleg_ | it's probably a garbage character, but it displayed a square |
| 05:20.34 | Dewi | squares often mean missing glyph tho, that's all |
| 05:20.43 | Oleg_ | I don't understand what it means |
| 05:20.54 | Oleg_ | it's the same font, why would it miss a glyph? |
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| 05:21.05 | Oleg_ | I copied it from my debian system to my gentoo system |
| 05:21.29 | Dewi | Oleg_: well some font systems like windows, X11, fall back to alternative fonts in the case of a missing glyph in another |
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| 05:22.06 | Oleg_ | but I ran the program outside of X on gentoo |
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| 05:22.29 | Oleg_ | however, inside X, it is able to display the character correctly |
| 05:22.33 | Dewi | I'm saying I don't know whether linux console terminal emulator font system does that or not. Maybe it does. |
| 05:22.45 | Dewi | So it could be some other font the terminal knows about. |
| 05:23.01 | Oleg_ | confused |
| 05:23.22 | Dewi | What are you using in the C program to output chars? |
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| 05:24.28 | freebird2 | hello |
| 05:24.46 | Oleg_ | Dewi, http://pastebin.com/02siDnB2 |
| 05:25.18 | Dewi | Oleg_: does C++ recognize that string escape? |
| 05:25.22 | freebird2 | I've just installed wine, than I've installed a soft called Crux_calculator.exe using wine, it went to /home/freebird/.wine/somedir/c:\ |
| 05:25.26 | Oleg_ | it's weird. Debian doesn't even have X installed and it displays it perfectly |
| 05:25.46 | freebird2 | but the software wont load, the install part was ok, looks as it's installed, but can't run that program |
| 05:26.15 | freebird2 | I'm trying like this, inside the dir that has the exe, ./Crux_calc.exe |
| 05:26.17 | Oleg_ | Dewi: what do you mean? |
| 05:26.50 | Dewi | Oleg_: when I learned C++, double-quoted strings were a series of chars in a row terminated by a zero |
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| 05:27.20 | freebird2 | any suggestions ? |
| 05:27.20 | Dewi | Oleg_: and chars were unsigned 8 byte type |
| 05:27.26 | Dewi | Oleg_: sorry 8 bit |
| 05:27.42 | freebird2 | here's what I get as a return: bash: ./Crux_Calc.exe: cannot execute binary file |
| 05:27.46 | Oleg_ | Dewi: this program compiles perfectly |
| 05:27.46 | Dewi | Oleg_: that \u escape looks right for C# and javascript, but I didn't know C++ could do that |
| 05:28.18 | Oleg_ | Dewi: however, as I keep saying it, gentoo can't display that character correctly :) |
| 05:28.39 | Dewi | Oleg_: who says you are outputting it correctly tho? |
| 05:28.48 | Dewi | Oleg_: does gentoo's C++ even allow that? |
| 05:29.00 | Dewi | Oleg_: what are the encoding defaults for iostream? |
| 05:29.08 | Oleg_ | dunno |
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| 05:29.48 | Oleg_ | Dewi: then why Debian displays it correctly? |
| 05:30.18 | Dewi | Oleg_: either you've done it right, or 2 wrongs made a right :P |
| 05:30.38 | Oleg_ | it's the same program |
| 05:30.40 | Oleg_ | on both systems |
| 05:31.43 | Dewi | Oleg_: is it the same language? \u is meaningless in classic C++ |
| 05:31.45 | Oleg_ | so, I am puzzled |
| 05:31.55 | Oleg_ | I use g++ on both systems |
| 05:32.43 | Oleg_ | as you can see, the program uses C++ syntax because it contains the iostream header file and the cout object |
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| 05:34.36 | Dewi | Oleg_: yeah. It's not the C++ I learned though, but I'm not a C++ programmer |
| 05:35.08 | Oleg_ | Dewi, have any idea what makes Debian display it correctly? |
| 05:36.04 | Dewi | Oleg_: I think perhaps in debian a single-byte locale might still have a utf-8 capable console terminal emulator |
| 05:36.41 | Dewi | Oleg_: and your program probably doesn't support termcaps or locales and is just lucky to be outputting something the terminal can understand |
| 05:37.46 | Oleg_ | Dewish, but when I load X, gentoo can display it correctly |
| 05:38.04 | Oleg_ | Dewish, and as I said, Debian doesn't even have X installed :) |
| 05:39.19 | Dewi | Oleg_: have you read this? http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/utf-8.xml |
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| 05:39.32 | Dewi | Oleg_: I don't know much about gentoo, but it could have very different settings. |
| 05:39.42 | Oleg_ | yes |
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| 05:40.32 | Oleg_ | Dewi, well, how can I install that Debian terminal on gentoo? :) |
| 05:40.52 | Dewi | Oleg_: are you using a utf-8 locale on gentoo now? |
| 05:41.00 | Oleg_ | yes |
| 05:41.14 | Dewi | wget this - http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/ucs/examples/UTF-8-demo.txt |
| 05:41.22 | Dewi | then cat it |
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| 05:41.45 | Dewi | I wonder how far it will get |
| 05:42.43 | Dewi | wget and cat are binary operations, so by doing that you are testing utf-8 itself |
| 05:42.48 | Dewi | I am not sure what the C++ program was testing |
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| 05:43.22 | Dewi | another thing to try is ssh from a known-working terminal, when trying to fix a server |
| 05:43.49 | Dewi | for example I am using PuTTY and I know I have configured it correctly |
| 05:43.55 | Dewi | (that's in windows tho) |
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| 05:46.14 | Oleg_ | interesting. on Debian, that web page is displayed in exactly the same way it is displayed when I load X on gentoo |
| 05:46.41 | Oleg_ | however, gentoo displays it differently when I don't load X |
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| 05:48.32 | Oleg_ | for example, Debian displays Russian characters using Latin letters on the web page |
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| 05:49.02 | Oleg_ | but gentoo outside of X displays them using Russian letters |
| 05:49.17 | Oleg_ | inside X, it displays them with Latin letters too |
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| 05:51.12 | Erqo1 | Anyone happen to know why cryptsetup (for LUKS) would not prompt for a passphrase upon a format attempt? |
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| 06:01.15 | Oleg_ | there are indeed quite puzzling things in this life |
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| 06:19.44 | sweetpi | factor: http://www.emdebian.org/tools/crosstools.html |
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| 06:24.33 | unkmar | welp, I got this screen that support 1024x768 and NOT the 720x400 that debian is defaulting too. |
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| 06:25.11 | unkmar | so, how do I fix my resolution to work for the big screen? |
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| 06:26.40 | unkmar | cause clicking for screen resolution doesn't give me ANY options. Just sticks to 720x400 @ 70Hz |
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| 06:27.09 | xerophyte | could someone help me with nginx question : >how can i write root domain to sub folder for example rewrite ^/(.*)$ http://domaintest01.com/site$1 permanent; that create loop |
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| 06:27.16 | unkmar | I also attempted the dpkg-reconfigure trick listed in the xorg file. No go. |
| 06:28.09 | unkmar | xerophyte: My mind isn't parsing your question. |
| 06:28.38 | freshpet | unkmar: are you using cli? |
| 06:29.14 | unkmar | freshpet: Um, I am capable of either. I got x11vnc running on the machine in question. |
| 06:29.24 | factor | sweetpi, thanks for the link have it in my sources.list now |
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| 06:29.45 | xerophyte | unkmar i wanna rewrite http://www.domaintest01.com to http://www.domaintest01.com/site |
| 06:30.25 | jpinx-eeepc | !resolution |
| 06:30.25 | dpkg | rumour has it, resolution is How fine the pixels are. The higher the resolution, the more pixels that can be squeezed onto a screen, thereby giving the appearance that the pictures on your screen are smaller without losing any detail. Because the pictures are smaller you now have room to place more on your screen. Use ctrl-alt-numpad_plus/minus or <xrandr> to change it. See also man xorg.conf, <hwinfo> and <drxx>. |
| 06:30.43 | jpinx-eeepc | unkmar: ^^ |
| 06:31.16 | sweetpi | factor: yw |
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| 06:31.27 | freshpet | my xorg.conf won't eat that |
| 06:31.31 | freshpet | ha |
| 06:32.01 | unkmar | xerophyte: rewrite? you mean rename files? or do you mean change all instances in a single file? |
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| 06:32.14 | jpinx-eeepc | unkmar: I have had success with xrandr |
| 06:33.23 | xerophyte | unkmar: its nginx question |
| 06:33.45 | xerophyte | unkmar: ignore it |
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| 06:34.03 | jpinx-eeepc | !nginx |
| 06:34.03 | dpkg | Nginx (engine x) is an open source HTTP server (supports FastCGI, not CGI), reverse proxy and POP3/IMAP/SMTP proxy. http://wiki.nginx.org/NginxFaq http://www.nginx.net/ #nginx on irc.freenode.net. See also <httpd>. |
| 06:34.03 | unkmar | ok, I don't know what an nginx is. |
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| 06:34.25 | jpinx-eeepc | unkmar: you do now ;) |
| 06:34.30 | unkmar | yeah. |
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| 06:34.55 | krish | hey guys what is the httpd.worker alternative in debian apache? |
| 06:35.57 | joltcan | krish: apache2-mpm-worker ? |
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| 06:36.16 | joltcan | or maybe I just missunderstood the question |
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| 06:40.38 | krish | joltcan, mpm uses multi thread i guess.. |
| 06:40.42 | krish | does httpd.worker do that |
| 06:40.46 | krish | im not sure |
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| 07:07.48 | jaggz | how do I get dpkg -L output, but only the directories? |
| 07:07.55 | jaggz | err, only the files |
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| 07:08.25 | jaggz | find `dpkg -L openssl` -printf '%C@ %CX %p\n' | sort -n | less |
| 07:08.50 | jaggz | I want to get a list of files in the package sorted by modification time |
| 07:09.16 | theDoc | Hi all, this might not be the correct channel to ask but would appreciate if someone could point me in the correct direct with the pptpd package on debian. I've set up pptpd and am trying to debug a problem with GRE getting a bad checksum. I've attached the debug logs here: http://pastebin.com/0kkgr8Bk |
| 07:09.27 | theDoc | Any help would be nice. |
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| 07:14.49 | iwkse | jaggz: try ls -t | dpkg -L xchat |
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| 07:25.15 | theDoc | Ok, nevermind that problem. ISP was filtering GRE. |
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| 07:25.24 | jaggz | iwkse, ls -ldt `dpkg -L package` works |
| 07:25.28 | jaggz | I think :) |
| 07:25.31 | theDoc | Why the fuck for I don't know. |
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| 07:25.43 | jaggz | since the problem I had was 'find's expansion of directories |
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| 08:16.52 | patriick | hey guise |
| 08:17.02 | patriick | how to get nvidia driver and dual monitors up and running |
| 08:17.04 | patriick | i need halp |
| 08:18.07 | macrobat | idk, have you tried nvidia-settings? or you mean you dont have nvidia installed at all? |
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| 08:19.19 | patriick | macrobat: p sure i dont have it installed at all |
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| 08:22.14 | sweetpi | !nvidia |
| 08:22.14 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
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| 08:29.58 | cafaro | dpkg tells me to upgrade my kernel prior to doing full-upgrade (to Squeeze), should I change sources.list and use aptitude to download the kernel-image? and which kernel-image-version should I pick? and afterwards, I can just "aptitude remove" my 'old' kernel? |
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| 08:32.38 | macrobat | dont remove a running kernel. (i dont think aptitude will let you) |
| 08:33.02 | macrobat | ,kernels |
| 08:33.04 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.35-trunk-686 (2.6.35-1~experimental.3); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-23); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-23); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-23~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-25lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
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| 08:33.47 | cafaro | I meant, after I booted into the new kernel |
| 08:33.51 | macrobat | i would try the 2.6.32-5 linux-image |
| 08:33.54 | cafaro | ok |
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| 08:35.14 | sweetpi | a few years ago I upgraded a kernel, removed the current one and the new one didnt actually install.... good times |
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| 08:44.26 | james333james | hi there |
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| 08:45.42 | james333james | i'm using Mint Isadora and i really like it, but actually i'm thinking aobut switching to Debian. Does anybody has any suggestions? which will be the main trouble that i will get changing my OS? Is Debian really hard to use ? |
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| 08:58.43 | jmd | Why do we have the intltool package? What can it do that gettext cannot ? |
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| 09:02.55 | jelly | jmd: isn't it obvious from the description? It handles formats other than po files. |
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| 09:04.52 | jmd | jelly, Err po files are the things that both those programs produce. |
| 09:05.11 | foxfell | HOST work |
| 09:05.15 | foxfell | W |
| 09:05.23 | jmd | They both handle inputs which are not po files. |
| 09:05.31 | foxfell | oops, i'm sorry |
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| 09:13.06 | jelly | jmd: and here I thought gettext used .po as source and produced .mo |
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| 09:13.23 | adv_ | how can i check what runlevel im currently in? |
| 09:14.23 | jelly | adv_: "runlevel" is the command |
| 09:14.59 | adv_ | jelly, what's the default one? |
| 09:15.10 | rhineshell | 2 |
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| 09:15.45 | adv_ | ok thanks |
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| 09:29.23 | angel-tsankov | which file manager do u recommend |
| 09:30.09 | Bushmills | the one best suited your needs |
| 09:30.12 | jpinx-eeepc | angel-tsankov: ls, cp, mv |
| 09:30.29 | jpinx-eeepc | !ask |
| 09:30.29 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 09:31.35 | angel-tsankov | I have a problem with konqueror and with d3lphin -- neither of them shows hidden files at startup |
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| 09:33.09 | angel-tsankov | I also have a problem with my sound card -- it seems that the installer did not install any driver for it (Yamaha 724) |
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| 09:33.36 | angel-tsankov | how can I see the kernel config? |
| 09:33.59 | Bushmills | stock kernel? .config sits in /boot |
| 09:34.28 | Bushmills | is called config-<kernel-version> |
| 09:34.48 | angel-tsankov | and there is no /proc/config*? |
| 09:35.12 | streuner_ | angel-tsankov: whats the output of lspci -n of the soundcard? |
| 09:35.15 | Bushmills | not unless compiled into kernel |
| 09:35.30 | streuner_ | afk... |
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| 09:38.46 | angel-tsankov | hmm, interesting; the driver exists and is loaded |
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| 09:39.46 | angel-tsankov | however, the Volume Controls application says No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found. |
| 09:40.03 | angel-tsankov | do I miss certain gstreamer plugin? |
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| 09:41.34 | angel-tsankov | or maybe pulseaudio or alsa |
| 09:42.02 | Bushmills | we don't know what you miss - you didn't tell what you have |
| 09:42.15 | angel-tsankov | i have yamaha 724 |
| 09:42.18 | simonrvn | yeh, missing information |
| 09:42.54 | angel-tsankov | i also have the kernel driver for this sound card and it is loaded |
| 09:43.33 | Bushmills | add yourself to audio group |
| 09:44.03 | angel-tsankov | I'm a memeber already |
| 09:44.13 | Bushmills | try cp /dev/urandom /dev/audio |
| 09:44.37 | angel-tsankov | no such device: /dev/audio |
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| 09:46.57 | angel-tsankov | here's the output of lspci for my sound card: 03:04.0 Multimedia audio controller: Yamaha Corporation YMF-724F [DS-1 Audio Controller] (rev 03) |
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| 09:48.36 | angel-tsankov | hello? |
| 09:48.45 | Bushmills | angel-tsankov: did you install firmware files for that device? |
| 09:48.51 | angel-tsankov | no, I didn't |
| 09:49.05 | Bushmills | check out http://wiki.debian.org/snd-ymfpci |
| 09:49.40 | macrobat | i'd like to change modkey in wmii. "MODKEY=Mod4" or "MODKEY=WIN" or "MODKEY=Super_L" in wmiirc doesn't change anything, it's still mod1 aka Alt |
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| 09:52.22 | jacktheripper | First time trying to package source code. I get all the files generated in debian/tmp but not in the deb file. Any ideas ? |
| 09:52.52 | klikklak | hi all, when i try to login to slim on an eeepc it fails to recognize keyboard properly, dsx area keys work, but rest give trash. is something missing? |
| 09:53.41 | Bushmills | klikklak: if you continue to fail to make it run, check out qingy |
| 09:53.56 | klikklak | Bushmills: ok, will do |
| 09:54.17 | Bushmills | getty + x login in one program |
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| 09:54.51 | klikklak | Bushmills: the problem was with gdm too. this is after upgrading to testing |
| 09:55.22 | Bushmills | i used qingy on an acer netbook, mainly because its relatively small memory footprint. |
| 09:55.36 | Bushmills | but i was able to use gdm on that machine |
| 09:55.38 | angel-tsankov | Bushmills: how did you find this page |
| 09:55.42 | klikklak | could be some broken packages too, since I probably ran short dof diskspace, no dpkg errors though |
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| 09:55.58 | angel-tsankov | Bushmills: I mean the one about the yamaha sound card on wiki.debian.org |
| 09:56.07 | Bushmills | angel-tsankov: google for yamaha 724 debian |
| 09:56.33 | Bushmills | can't be much more obvious, can it? |
| 09:56.48 | angel-tsankov | well, I tried searching for yamaha on wiki.debian.org |
| 09:57.21 | Bushmills | sometimes, alternative search strategies are beneficial |
| 09:59.02 | angel-tsankov | surprisingly, yes |
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| 10:02.39 | Bushmills | but i experience freqently that someone asks something, adding that he hsa been searching for an answer for hours, and when entering the most obvious 2 or 3 search terms in a search machine, the top hit is what he was looking for |
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| 10:05.34 | Bushmills | it's like "i don't find my keys - they're not in the fridge, nor in the bread box" while they're hanging where they're supposed to be and usually are. |
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| 10:08.19 | negge | any reason why running "DISPLAY="localhost:0.0" xbmc &" from a script doesn't work? XBMC fails with the typical "no display set" stuff |
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| 10:10.12 | ruyo | negge, try DISPLAY=:0.0 |
| 10:10.48 | Bushmills | check whether xbmc is maybe just a script, and because of DISPLAY not exported, the actual program doesn't obtain any DISPLAY |
| 10:11.18 | negge | Raboo: that worked wonders, thanks! |
| 10:11.28 | negge | Bushmills: no problem, it worked |
| 10:11.46 | negge | IIRC it's a binary, not a script |
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| 10:12.08 | hyphenex | f I've done dd if=/dev/sdb of=/drivs bs=32768, that effectively means I'm creating a file and filling it with a heap of blank data right? I've screwed up hey (I'm trying to image a 32GB flash drive) |
| 10:13.14 | hyphenex | or has it copied all 32GB and blanked out the space before it's copied? |
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| 10:18.47 | macrobat | hyphenex: man dd and http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/learn-the-dd-command-362506/ |
| 10:19.07 | macrobat | dont play with it without knowing what it does :) |
| 10:21.00 | Bushmills | hyphenex: that'S not blank data. if=/dev/zero would be |
| 10:21.22 | Bushmills | also read about parameter "count" |
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| 10:23.18 | hyphenex | Thanks :) |
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| 10:24.14 | unkmar | How do you get a "Must load kernel first" error? |
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| 10:27.45 | Bushmills | for example, by using grub from its command line, trying to execute "boot" |
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| 10:28.47 | unkmar | Well, I rebooted after installing another kernel and that was the error I got. |
| 10:30.00 | Bushmills | try update-grub (or update-grub2), though the kernel post install script should have done that already |
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| 10:31.13 | unkmar | Thank you. I will when I wake back up and load some sort of rescue. Cause nothing is working without it. |
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| 11:15.15 | deviant_ | Hello. Anyone have an idea how can I enable indirect routing between two locally assigned IP addresses (each on separat ethernet interface)? The aim is to send the traffic using external cabling/switches from one NIC to another , instead of using direct routing in the kernel itself and bypassing outside caling? |
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| 11:21.46 | abrotman | deviant_: why would you do it that way? |
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| 11:23.01 | classical_ | hey ppl need some help :-) |
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| 11:24.08 | classical_ | apt-get update hangs there was a bad proxy server in my apt.con but i have removed it |
| 11:24.12 | deviant_ | abrotman: I would like to test cabling and switches with one notebook. |
| 11:24.19 | jelly | deviant_: I'm not sure it can be done at all, what are you really trying to do? |
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| 11:25.25 | jelly | deviant_: I'd try assigning just one address on one iface, and use a vm with bridged networking for the other. |
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| 11:26.10 | jelly | hopefully this would work around in-kernel shortcuts |
| 11:26.16 | deviant_ | jelly: it's a small netbook actually. Don't think it's gonna run any VM ;) |
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| 11:26.56 | jelly | deviant_: you can run a vm with as little as 512MB RAM. |
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| 11:28.20 | jelly | give the vm, say a virtualbox vm, some 128-256MB, this is more than enough to run a CLI Linux distro in it |
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| 11:28.58 | deviant_ | jelly: yeah, I will try to do that if all the other ways fail ;) However I believe there should be a way to disable kernel routing shortcuts somehow. |
| 11:29.01 | abrotman | classical_: your ISP might have its own proxy |
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| 11:29.53 | jelly | deviant_: good luck, if you find it I'd be interested as well |
| 11:30.14 | Nepherius | anyone using gnomenu ?it seems i cant start it :( |
| 11:30.19 | deviant_ | jelly: okay. will come back to you, if I don't forget it. thanks for an idea anyway. |
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| 11:33.06 | Cojage | Hi |
| 11:33.13 | Cojage | How do I install decoders in debian? |
| 11:33.19 | Cojage | And Nvidia drivers? |
| 11:33.23 | Cojage | I come from ubantoo :o |
| 11:33.34 | abrotman | !tell Cojage about nvidia |
| 11:33.37 | abrotman | !tell Cojage about dmm |
| 11:33.40 | abrotman | !tell Cojage about dmm |
| 11:33.48 | Cojage | bot doesnt obey? |
| 11:33.59 | Cojage | oh nvm thnx |
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| 11:35.01 | classical_ | abrotman, but i can ping from server |
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| 11:36.05 | classical_ | aptitude update does this http://pastebin.com/sjXvkjFB |
| 11:36.52 | petemc | classical_: use a different mirror than ftp.debian.org |
| 11:36.54 | abrotman | a) you shouldn't be using ftp.debian.org b) can you use telnet to do that ? |
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| 11:38.19 | Mugen | deviant_: perhaps if both network cards are associated with vmware ip's, you can then use your actualy distro as a router |
| 11:38.33 | Mugen | actualy? its 4am hehe |
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| 11:39.35 | simonrvn | a west coaster |
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| 11:40.30 | Mugen | Anyone familiar with the ispconfig3 tutorial? i ran it all but cant login to squarelmail, says unknown user/pass |
| 11:40.36 | classical_ | petemc, abrotman i changes it to us.debian.org but it still freazes |
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| 11:40.45 | abrotman | freezes or errors? |
| 11:40.53 | abrotman | still sounds liek you have a proxy somewhere |
| 11:41.00 | abrotman | what are the the error messages now ? |
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| 11:41.18 | abrotman | wouldn't use ftp.us.debian.org either |
| 11:41.56 | classical_ | abrotman, apt-get freazes i but i dont know what aptitude will do i will check |
| 11:42.27 | classical_ | abrotman, why would'n i use ftp.us.debian.org ? |
| 11:42.30 | deviant_ | Mugen: I see you're a Honda fan. It may be the case, that it could work with two vms but I also need to script it around, so when a custmer clicks *enter* it has to perform a cabling/network test ;) |
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| 11:43.18 | Mugen | honda fan? |
| 11:43.27 | classical_ | abrotman, i remove proxy from /etc/apt/apt.conf and then grep -r 'PROXY ADDRESS' /etc/apt nothing is here |
| 11:43.53 | Mugen | deviant_: philips sells a device that does that and a few other nifty dodads for about 300$ |
| 11:43.54 | abrotman | that doesn't mean you don't still have a proxy |
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| 11:44.24 | abrotman | classical_: did you pastebin the error yet? |
| 11:44.32 | Mugen | er zenith rather |
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| 11:46.07 | Xat` | hi |
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| 11:46.27 | classical_ | abrotman, yep i did http://pastebin.com/sjXvkjFB |
| 11:46.41 | Mugen | deviant_: http://www.flukenetworks.com/fnet/en-us/products/NetTool/Overview.htm :) |
| 11:46.55 | Xat` | i deleted my configuration file and i want to reinstall the package, how to recover the configuration file please ? |
| 11:47.25 | deviant_ | Mugen: sorry, thought your nick is related to a Honda Mugen tuning company :) (Mugen is like STi for Subaru). |
| 11:47.47 | Mugen | ahhh.. he's also a character in samurai shamploo :P |
| 11:48.00 | deviant_ | didn't know that ;) |
| 11:48.03 | abrotman | classical_: with ftp.us.debian.org |
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| 11:48.30 | Mugen | as punishment, you must now help me get pop3 working :) |
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| 11:48.50 | Mugen | or even imap |
| 11:49.08 | classical_ | abrotman, with us. there is no errors aptitude just hangs :-((( |
| 11:49.14 | abrotman | classical_: give it time |
| 11:49.35 | at0m | hi, how do i find out why a debian machine crashed? |
| 11:49.39 | classical_ | abrotman, i was waiting it about 5 minutes then i terminated it |
| 11:49.40 | deviant_ | Mugen: imap is easy. |
| 11:49.44 | Xat` | i deleted my configuration file and now i want to reinstall the package but the file misses. how to recover the configuration file please ? |
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| 11:49.55 | abrotman | Xat`: which file? which package? |
| 11:49.55 | at0m | can't seem to find using syslog or dmesg |
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| 11:50.14 | AlexC_ | morning |
| 11:50.16 | abrotman | at0m: it depends why it crashed and if it had time to write it out |
| 11:50.27 | Xat` | abrotman > there are a command to force reinstall with config file |
| 11:50.34 | at0m | abrotman: i'm suspecting a PCI2SATA card |
| 11:50.51 | AlexC_ | this may sound strange and the obvious answer probably isn't what I'm after: What is the purpose of the security.debian.org repository? |
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| 11:51.37 | abrotman | Xat`: which file? which package? |
| 11:51.42 | Xat` | abrotman > /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 11:51.47 | Xat` | it's ok thanks ;) |
| 11:51.51 | abrotman | AlexC_: to provide security updates for Debian? |
| 11:52.24 | AlexC_ | abrotman: sure, but why are these updates not in the main packages from say ftp.uk.debian.org ? I mean, why is there 2 repos for them? |
| 11:52.52 | abrotman | AlexC_: mirroring is one problem .. not all mirrors update at the same time .. some may not sync for a week .. |
| 11:53.20 | AlexC_ | abrotman: I take it people don't/can't mirror security.debian.org then? |
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| 11:53.51 | abrotman | AlexC_: there are two mirrors IIRC, and it's a round-robin for that name .. you can mirror it, but it's really not recommended |
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| 11:54.28 | AlexC_ | abrotman: ok, makes sense. So I guess after a while the packages that first made their way into security.debian.org get put into the main mirrors, e.g. ftp.uk.debian.org? |
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| 11:54.49 | themill | AlexC_: yes, that's what a point release is /msg dpkg point release |
| 11:55.03 | abrotman | AlexC_: yes, with the updates like 5.0.5 to 5.0.6 |
| 11:55.41 | AlexC_ | themill: abrotman interesting, ok - following on from what, what about bug fixes in packages then? They get put into the main repos right? |
| 11:56.00 | at0m | errors from PCI2SATA card: http://pastebin.ca/1949526 - might that take down my backend? there's no system partitions/files on that disk.. |
| 11:56.17 | AlexC_ | I mean, put into the main repo straight away (after testing of course etc) |
| 11:56.27 | themill | AlexC_: no, only important (or worse) bugs are fixed and they go via stable-proposed-updates and then into the main repo. /msg dpkg s-p-u |
| 11:56.42 | abrotman | though pulling directly from s-p-u is at your own risk |
| 11:56.55 | AlexC_ | ahh, ok - all falls into place now, thanks for the info |
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| 11:57.29 | abrotman | they used to keep a nice summary of what they were going to change .. but i think joey (not joeyh) maintained that, and he doesn't do it anymore |
| 11:58.15 | abrotman | http://people.debian.org/~joey/3.1r2/ .. that's what it used to look like |
| 11:59.00 | abrotman | not sure how hard it would be to do that again |
| 11:59.02 | themill | http://release.debian.org/proposed-updates/stable.html |
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| 11:59.44 | abrotman | close enough! bad colors, but close enough :) |
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| 12:01.28 | themill | Actually, s-p-u has improved greatly now -- nothing is in s-p-u unless the release team has manually inspected it and acked it. |
| 12:02.26 | jacktheripper | guys ? I'm trying to package this library (my first ever debian package), I get all files created in debian/tmp but not in the actual .deb package. What am I missing ? |
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| 12:03.40 | themill | jacktheripper: using debhelper? you need a packagename.install. BTW packaging libraries isn't really a recommended place to start. |
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| 12:05.33 | jacktheripper | themill: yes debhelper, and yes I noticed it's more complicated than single binaries. What's this packagename.install ? |
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| 12:06.25 | themill | jacktheripper: debian/$packagename.install decides what actually gets installed into the package. man dh_install for more information. |
| 12:06.36 | poppiez | hi guys, how can I confirm that cron is indeed running? the cron daemon is running, but the scripts in the crontab (installed via crontab -e) don't run |
| 12:07.17 | poppiez | example of cron entry: 0 */4 * * * /usr/local/bin/indexer --config /usr/local/etc/sphinx.conf --all --rotate > /dev/null |
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| 12:08.09 | simplechat | Hey, how do i check if i have installed a pinned package? |
| 12:08.21 | abrotman | simplechat: apt-cache policy |
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| 12:08.26 | wrksx | hi all |
| 12:08.42 | simplechat | abrotman, i'm not sure what packages are pinned though |
| 12:08.43 | wrksx | it seems my server don't speak utf8, how can I check this |
| 12:08.45 | wrksx | ? |
| 12:08.52 | abrotman | simplechat: try just that |
| 12:08.59 | abrotman | wrksx: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 12:09.04 | abrotman | or look in /etc/locale.gen |
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| 12:09.13 | themill | wrksx: what makes you say that? |
| 12:09.22 | simplechat | abrotman, what would show pinned packages? |
| 12:09.27 | simplechat | at the moment it has pinned packages: |
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| 12:10.02 | themill | simplechat: that's a list of all your pinned packages. |
| 12:10.18 | wrksx | themill, I got a script utf8 written with grep "Exporté" and it can't grep. I tried to look the string apears this way in my term "Exprt?" and |
| 12:10.26 | simplechat | ok |
| 12:10.36 | simplechat | basically i want to check if i have anything installed from sid or squeeze |
| 12:10.38 | simplechat | currently |
| 12:10.40 | themill | wrksx: what terminal program are you using? |
| 12:10.42 | simplechat | would that show up in pinned? |
| 12:10.48 | themill | simplechat: /msg dpkg which repo |
| 12:10.58 | simplechat | ? |
| 12:11.10 | wrksx | themill, ssh with the gnome term, I dunno its name |
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| 12:11.26 | simplechat | themill, basically i've got a server that should be debian stable, but it has additional repos |
| 12:11.31 | simplechat | and i want to see whats from testing/unstable |
| 12:12.22 | themill | wrksx: can you pastebin the output of "locale"? |
| 12:12.30 | wrksx | yes |
| 12:12.34 | wrksx | !bin |
| 12:12.35 | dpkg | it has been said that .bin is NOT a meaningful filename extension. aptitude install file, then run file on your .bin and see what the hell it is. Or read it with less. Or read the damned README that should have come with it. If it looks like a shell script, try "sh myfile.bin". the extension some JDK installers have, these are executable files; also there is a macintosh archive format with that extension, or a name given to CD images, ask me about ... |
| 12:12.40 | wrksx | !paste |
| 12:12.40 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 12:12.54 | wrksx | sorry for the visual polution |
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| 12:13.43 | wrksx | themill, http://paste.debian.net/91977/ |
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| 12:14.13 | at0m | wrksx: just /msg dpkg bin and /msg dpkg paste |
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| 12:14.48 | wrksx | at0m, k thx |
| 12:14.57 | simplechat | themill, that will tell me if a given package is from a given repo, not if i have any package from a given repo |
| 12:14.59 | themill | wrksx: that's fairly screwed up and it's probably your local system that is misconfigured not the server, if you're connecting to it via ssh. |
| 12:15.08 | themill | simplechat: then grep the output. |
| 12:15.09 | wrksx | ! |
| 12:15.15 | simplechat | themill, ? |
| 12:15.51 | jacktheripper | themill: found out the problem. I actually had libname1.install correct, but I renamed libnameBROKEN in the control file to libname, not libname1. Why do you need to postfix binary packages with 1 ? |
| 12:16.10 | simplechat | is there a way to work out the repository from --get-selections in dpkg? |
| 12:16.25 | wrksx | themill, http://paste.debian.net/91978/ |
| 12:16.30 | themill | simplechat: do you think we'd have that command in dpkg's db if it were that easy? |
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| 12:16.47 | simplechat | themill, hmmmm. |
| 12:16.51 | simplechat | they are two different things though :) |
| 12:17.06 | themill | not really |
| 12:17.17 | at0m | getting periodic system freezes/crashes on my home server. more here: http://pastebin.ca/1949536 - anyone have an idea? suspecting the pci2sata cards, so added more specific info about those, but i'm not sure.. |
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| 12:18.14 | themill | jacktheripper: these are the sorts of questions that illustrate why it's not a great plan for new packages to package libraries. You need to have a good understanding of API/ABI issues with C (andr C++) |
| 12:18.44 | stew | s/packages/packagers/ |
| 12:19.10 | themill | jacktheripper: and understand what SONAMEs are etc too. There's a library packaging guide that delves into some of this, but it still assumes that you know how thinks like libtool work |
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| 12:19.27 | stew | s/thinks/things/ |
| 12:19.36 | themill | *bah* |
| 12:19.39 | stew | :) |
| 12:19.40 | at0m | :) |
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| 12:20.05 | Bushmills | at0m: crc and data ready errors are frequently a sign of drives having tracking problems, often because of failing bearings |
| 12:20.15 | themill | has sore, tired, cold hands today |
| 12:20.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | at0m, why does it say "mythtv kernel" there |
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| 12:20.28 | at0m | CutMeOwnThroat: mythtv is the hostname |
| 12:20.36 | at0m | it started off as my mythtv backend |
| 12:20.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok.... that conused me... so it is the disk |
| 12:20.49 | at0m | Bushmills: the drive's 2 months old |
| 12:20.52 | at0m | yea |
| 12:20.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | confused* |
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| 12:21.18 | Bushmills | doesn't render my comment incorrect |
| 12:21.20 | at0m | syslog's full of these msg's, for both pci2sata cards |
| 12:21.38 | jacktheripper | themill: is there a rule for this ? are all binary packages of libraries postfixed with 1 ? |
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| 12:22.38 | at0m | would it be problematic to run such 2TB drive on the adapter card on 2.6.32-5-686 ? |
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| 12:23.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | at0m, hdparm -I and hdparm -i might be useful... I also wonder about hdparm -d _after_ this error |
| 12:23.16 | themill | jacktheripper: no, they have a number added to the end to indicate a "compatability" level. When backwards-incompatible changes are made, this number is increased to indicate that old packages can't use the new version any more. If you look at the standard C library on your box, you'll see that it's known as libc6 these days. |
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| 12:24.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | at0m, does smart show a lot of errors? |
| 12:24.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | I dunno... don't think one can say anything definite from your pastebin |
| 12:25.02 | jacktheripper | themill: oh yes. I thought it's a version number. Actually, I'm packaging libwnck for maemo (a new distro for handhelds) which didn't have it before. Since there wasn't any older package, do I still need 1 ? |
| 12:25.38 | deviant_ | jelly: there is a kernel patch called send-to-self which allows what I needed :) |
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| 12:26.48 | at0m | CutMeOwnThroat: smartd[2944]: Device: /dev/sdc [SAT], ATA error count increased from 10823 to 10836 |
| 12:27.09 | at0m | iiuc, that's due to the ATA resets |
| 12:27.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | at0m, I can only think of 2 things - either it's dying already, new disk or not or, the spinning hardware is too slow giving data and you're hitting a timeout... hm, or possibly something with the electronics is wrong ... which in effect would fall into the "dying" category, although storage itself is fine |
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| 12:28.06 | wrksx | http://paste.debian.net/91978/ I think setting my server to the same locale is what I need. How can I achieve that ? |
| 12:28.17 | jacktheripper | themill: or should I see what other distros have done for this version and do the same ? |
| 12:28.36 | classical_ | how can i view what is in zip file without unziping it ? |
| 12:29.05 | jelly | at0m: might be cabling; might be the drive; it's a small possibility it might be the drivers. |
| 12:29.05 | at0m | CutMeOwnThroat: hm as much as i hate to take the backend down, i'll insert the drives into my other machine (which has SATA onboard) |
| 12:29.28 | at0m | jelly: cheers |
| 12:29.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | at0m, did you do that alignment trick that one apparently needs with those big drives? (I haven't actually read much on this) |
| 12:29.59 | jelly | at0m: I'd check the cabling first, replace with shorter SATA cables if possible |
| 12:30.02 | at0m | suspecting the (identical) pci2sata cards that can't keep up the feed |
| 12:30.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | wonder if things can at some place get so slow that you're just running into a timeout |
| 12:30.25 | jelly | at0m: what are the "lspci -nn" lines for your sata controllers? |
| 12:30.36 | at0m | hm maybe set PCI delay to 128 as the cards are using |
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| 12:30.43 | at0m | (from the bios then) |
| 12:31.04 | wrksx | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:31.14 | wrksx | do I have to be root to execute it ? |
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| 12:31.52 | at0m | jelly: http://pastebin.com/pcRiqFEH |
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| 12:32.26 | jelly | judd: pciid 10b9:5281 |
| 12:32.27 | judd | [10b9:5281] is 'ALi M5281 Serial ATA / RAID Host Controller' from 'ALi Corporation' with kernel modules 'sata_uli', 'ali-agp' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10b9:5281 |
| 12:32.42 | jelly | judd: pciid 10b9:5228 |
| 12:32.43 | judd | [10b9:5228] is 'M5228 ALi ATA/RAID Controller' from 'ALi Corporation' with kernel modules 'alim15x3', 'ali-agp' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10b9:5228 |
| 12:32.47 | at0m | wrksx: you need be root, and no it won't break |
| 12:32.50 | jelly | funky. |
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| 12:33.11 | wrksx | at0mn ok thx |
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| 12:35.01 | jelly | at0m: frankly I can't say I've heard good things about ALi. You might inspect which driver bound the card (sata_uli or the alim15x3) and try forcing the other one, or try the kernel from bdo |
| 12:35.03 | at0m | wouldn't care so much if my workstation crashed twice a week, but for ads-filtering proxy and file server on which the family lan relies it's pretty annoying eh |
| 12:35.37 | classical_ | how can i view what is in zip file without unziping it ? |
| 12:35.45 | at0m | jelly: both drivers will work? coolio |
| 12:35.54 | jelly | at0m: I wouldn't buy anything ALi since I had contact with their P2 motherboards a decade ago, but... |
| 12:36.54 | at0m | yea long time since.. no-one told you about BX440? = |
| 12:36.55 | at0m | =] |
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| 12:37.34 | at0m | will put the drives in another host for a bit, then see if it's really the adapter cards |
| 12:38.06 | at0m | thanks jelly and CutMeOwnThroat |
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| 12:39.48 | redspike | anyone tested samba4 and get bind9 autoupdates to work? i have big problems with it :/ |
| 12:40.06 | themill | jacktheripper: the soname is usually something the upstream developers should be tracking for you. |
| 12:40.31 | themill | jacktheripper: that said, you have to ensure that they have successfully tracked this correctly. |
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| 12:41.00 | wcs | hi there |
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| 12:54.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | at0m, hm, how about this: http://www.mail-archive.com/gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org/msg101957.html |
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| 12:55.02 | at0m | CutMeOwnThroat: indeed, i jumpered them to limit their (throughput?) |
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| 12:55.07 | Strogg | 'lo 'lo |
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| 12:55.14 | at0m | without jumper they weren't even detected |
| 12:55.19 | Jenna | any new/updates on python-gnutls 1.1.6 > 1.1.8 |
| 12:55.37 | Jenna | new/news |
| 12:56.00 | themill | Jenna: what news were you hoping to hear? |
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| 12:56.29 | Jenna | themill, aouche: a progress bar |
| 12:56.34 | Jenna | sorry |
| 12:56.45 | Jenna | themill, Starting OpenXCAP server: openxcap fatal error: need python-gnutls version 1.1.8 or higer but only 1.1.6 is installed |
| 12:56.50 | Strogg | .deb question.. I'm building a package, but the binary is installing into /bin instead of /usr/bin... which file controls what DESTDIR is set to? I haven't been having any luck finding it |
| 12:56.55 | themill | Jenna: the version that is in lenny isn't ever going to change. |
| 12:57.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | at0m, *sigh* you might also look at this ....https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/569680 - if it's the same it seemed to have turned up with newer kernels only, so you might try older ones |
| 12:57.21 | Jenna | themill, I was hoping to find a fix for this. Dont want to install stuff from .tgz or squeeze repo for this production server. |
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| 12:57.52 | stew | Jenna: you could backport the squeeze version (/msg dpkg ssb), otherwise you'd have to wait for squeeze |
| 12:58.08 | Strogg | I've had good results using backports |
| 12:58.43 | Jenna | any how docs on backport or better yet any repo for python-gnutls ? |
| 12:59.54 | at0m | CutMeOwnThroat: hm, installing an older kernel is easy and cheap ;p will give it a try! |
| 13:00.03 | themill | Jenna: it looks like a trivial enough backport to make -- as stew said, "/msg dpkg ssb" for some details on how to do so |
| 13:00.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | what is your current kernel? |
| 13:00.10 | Jenna | if nothing else. any text to RTfM on back porting. (I just hope backporting isn't rocket science taking double the time of the this work) |
| 13:00.14 | at0m | Linux mythtv 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Sat Sep 18 02:14:45 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 13:00.42 | at0m | with mythtv, again, being the hostname =] |
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| 13:00.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, yeah... might be worth a try |
| 13:00.54 | at0m | installing an older kernel is easy and cheap ;p will give it a try! |
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| 13:01.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | right |
| 13:01.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | I read that! |
| 13:01.15 | at0m | been searching the web for a while, but there's countless full syslogs turning up |
| 13:01.17 | Strogg | hrmm maybe my problem is my makefile.. hrmmm |
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| 13:01.28 | at0m | just too much noise on that google eh |
| 13:01.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | at0m, I searched for the DMA error and the SError |
| 13:01.47 | Jenna | thanx stew themill Strogg |
| 13:01.48 | Winkie | hey guys, i've used pbuilder a few times to custom build packages, but i was under the impression that there was one better suited to debian, 'debuilder' or something like that (not debootstrap) |
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| 13:01.58 | Winkie | am i correct, have i been misinformed etc? |
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| 13:03.24 | AlexC_ | Winkie: I tend to use dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 13:03.58 | stew | Winkie: there is cowbuilder, which should act just like pbuilder, but be a little faster, since it doesn't have to do untarring and copying. I don't know of a debuilder, there is a debuild, which is used to build on your host system instead of a chroot, but that's certainly not better in most cases |
| 13:04.17 | Winkie | stew: ah it could have been cowbuilder, i'm not exactly an expert at this |
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| 13:04.38 | Winkie | just want to occasionally backport software to a base install, pbuilder seemed effective |
| 13:05.12 | at0m | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks again :) got a couple clues now: the ALi cards, cabling or kernel drivers. that should keep me busy for a bit and exclude some... rebooting to the old kernel |
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| 13:18.36 | jelly | ,depends mingetty --release sid |
| 13:18.38 | judd | Package mingetty -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.3). |
| 13:19.01 | themill | judd: see -- no locusts! |
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| 13:19.11 | sphenxes | i am using squeeze on my desktop. Sometimes when i browse homepages with flash player, firefox simply freeze. where can i find a new update for flash 64bit. |
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| 13:22.21 | abrotman | sphenxes: did you check the adobe website? |
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| 13:27.37 | _stefanos_ | hello everyone. A few weeks ago, I installed Debian 5.0.6 and switched to squeeze last week. The major mistake I initially did was to install my filesystem under a non-LVM container and currently trying to find the best solution to do that. I have made backups therefore I don't worry so much. I care though about keeping the system as it is, because I don't want to waste a few more days to keep my system updated. |
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| 13:28.24 | angel-tsankov | does anyone use d3lphin or konqueror as file manager |
| 13:28.51 | at0m | yea, many. what's the problem? |
| 13:29.20 | angel-tsankov | neither of them remembers (between sessiosn) to show hidden files |
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| 13:31.38 | AlexC_ | angel-tsankov: by d3lphin, do you men dolphin? |
| 13:31.41 | angel-tsankov | at0m: can u set d3lphin or knoqueror to show hidden files in all directories |
| 13:31.59 | angel-tsankov | AlexC_ well, maybe... I see it as D3lphin |
| 13:32.11 | angel-tsankov | AlexC_: I just dont have dolphin |
| 13:32.22 | AlexC_ | ok, then I have no idea what you're on about |
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| 13:32.38 | at0m | apt-cache search dolphin just returns... dolphin :o |
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| 13:33.07 | angel-tsankov | hmm, synpatic says d3lphin is a hacked version of dolphin for kde3 |
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| 13:33.39 | AlexC_ | are you using KDE3? |
| 13:33.43 | angel-tsankov | yes |
| 13:34.01 | angel-tsankov | I'm running debian lenny, after all; what other version of KDE can I use?! |
| 13:34.07 | AlexC_ | erm, KDE4? |
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| 13:34.17 | angel-tsankov | is it available for debian? |
| 13:34.45 | AlexC_ | yes |
| 13:34.55 | themill | not for lenny |
| 13:35.33 | at0m | angel-tsankov: then i do not know, using KDE4 on one of the machines here.. |
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| 13:36.14 | themill | angel-tsankov: in konqueror, ViewâShow Hidden Files. (Ctrl+H) |
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| 13:36.27 | at0m | angel-tsankov: you might check the settings, and weither to set options per directory. in Dolphin, Alt-. |
| 13:36.38 | angel-tsankov | themill: konqueror just does not remember this setting between sessions |
| 13:36.46 | themill | angel-tsankov: does for me... |
| 13:37.09 | angel-tsankov | themill: really?! after close + restart konqueror? |
| 13:37.27 | at0m | angel-tsankov: maybe it's in the session/profile options? ie. Konqueror can be in local browsing or internet mode.. |
| 13:38.05 | themill | angel-tsankov: there's also a SettingsâSave View Profile that may be of use if you're having trouble with that. |
| 13:38.08 | angel-tsankov | oops, my problem with konqueror is that it does not remember the view mode |
| 13:39.04 | at0m | btw, CutMeOwnThroat, installing 2.6.30-2 gave me busybox after boot. fiddled a bit with fstab, but no progress. back on 2.6.32-5 eh |
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| 13:39.47 | angel-tsankov | themill: overwriting the File Management profile did the trick :) |
| 13:39.58 | themill | \o/ |
| 13:40.01 | at0m | CutMeOwnThroat: restored /dev/hd? entries in fstab, instead of current UUID=???, but no results... oh well |
| 13:40.12 | at0m | angel-tsankov: voila :) |
| 13:40.17 | angel-tsankov | thanks :) |
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| 13:41.06 | at0m | was wondering the other day, where's all these d3lphin questions coming from |
| 13:41.09 | at0m | now we know =] |
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| 13:41.29 | _stefanos_ | guys, under squeeze unrar-free fails on extraction. |
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| 13:42.36 | stew | _stefanos_: not uncommon. there is a non-free version which can handle some archives that the free version cant. Better though is to ask the content owner or distributor to use a free archive format instead |
| 13:43.35 | _stefanos_ | stew, i had to install the non-free to extract the contents :/ |
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| 13:43.48 | _stefanos_ | i will with the first chance |
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| 13:56.41 | xinming_ | !ati |
| 13:56.41 | dpkg | To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <radeonhd>, <fglrx>. See also <radeon vs radeonhd>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (irc.freenode.net). |
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| 14:06.51 | _stefanos_ | guys, can someone help me with squeeze a bit please? I have switched to squeeze from stable which i had manually created my partitions and I can see that /etc/fstab has changed by adding UUIDs in place of original device filesystems. |
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| 14:07.25 | _stefanos_ | I don't mind with that, but I would like to move my system to LVM and I wanted to know a few things |
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| 14:10.24 | cafaro | Hi, I tried installing Debian again after my damaged HDD was repaired, lenny works but Squeeze (single-user mode) doesn't... (it does work with the old lenny kernel, though), both Debian versions worked fine before, but right now my laptop freezes after booting the .32-5 kernel, what should I do? Anyone has an idea on how to fix this? |
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| 14:12.13 | g0rd0n | is it possible to add LVM to a running system? |
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| 14:19.29 | _stefanos_ | g0rd0n, you mean to move your current system to LVM? |
| 14:19.57 | _stefanos_ | if it's a non-LVM, it would take a few steps to do so...I'm face the same issue if that's the case |
| 14:19.58 | g0rd0n | g0rd0n: no, basically i want to use LVM for my XEN machines |
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| 14:20.10 | g0rd0n | the host system can stay as is |
| 14:20.16 | angel-tsankov | how can I find out to which package a file belongs |
| 14:20.31 | _stefanos_ | i guess you can |
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| 14:20.39 | _stefanos_ | ask the guys from their official channel |
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| 14:21.10 | g0rd0n | lol, didnt even know they had a channel :) |
| 14:21.57 | _stefanos_ | they have for development and support |
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| 14:28.00 | mutable | Hello. Sometimes when I read /proc/$SOMEPID/status of certain process (discovered by 'strace ps'), I get stuck in disk sleep. What could be the cause? |
| 14:28.24 | mutable | It happens only with one process: rrdcached. |
| 14:29.07 | mutable | I have Debian Lenny with kernel 2.6.32 |
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| 14:31.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell angel-tsankov -about apt-file |
| 14:31.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | angel-tsankov, also dpkg -S or dlocate if it's already installed |
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| 14:41.00 | Strogg | say.. does anyone know any secrets for autogenerating a debian/changelog from a git repo log? |
| 14:41.42 | themill | Strogg: git-dch? |
| 14:41.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | _stefanos_, never did this, but seems rather obvious - if you have enough space, shrienk current partition to minimum, take /boot in separate partition, that probably prevents trouble, create lvm etc. as needed, copy files over, test, remove original partition, grow lvm.... |
| 14:41.50 | Strogg | googles |
| 14:42.17 | themill | Strogg: it's in git-buildpackage |
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| 14:42.34 | Strogg | themill: that looks completely awesome. :) |
| 14:42.51 | _stefanos_ | CutMeOwnThroat, yeah that is what I am going to do... |
| 14:43.08 | Strogg | I'm glad I take a second to ask these questions sometimes.. my way probably wasn't going to be nearly so elegant. |
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| 14:50.30 | eoliva | Hi, I'm using squeeze repository and only the main packages. I need to install dhcp3-server and when I do that, I have no init.d script and the dhcp3-server package returns me this: http://codepad.org/Ft6kHdfL |
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| 14:51.49 | themill | ,info dhcp3-server --release squeeze |
| 14:51.52 | judd | Package dhcp3-server (net, optional) in squeeze/i386: ISC DHCP server (transitional package). Version: 4.1.1-P1-9; Size: 24.1k; Installed: 60k |
| 14:52.22 | themill | eoliva: that package is supposed to be empty in squeeze (i.e. all it contains is a changelog entry telling you that the package has been renamed) |
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| 14:52.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | Depends: isc-dhcp-server |
| 14:53.55 | eoliva | themill, I read this, and says that isc-dhcp-server is the main now...but I installed it and nothing of init scripts |
| 14:53.57 | jhutchins_lt | What does the isc dhcp server need to distinguish itself from? |
| 14:54.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | very likely ./usr/share/doc/dhcp3-server/README.Debian or changelog.Debian.gz tells you more details |
| 14:54.52 | themill | eoliva: ls /etc/init.d/*dhcp* |
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| 14:56.57 | themill | jhutchins_lt: dibbler-server, dnsmasq, bootp, wide-dhcpv6-server, udhcpd... etc |
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| 15:01.05 | WizardOfWoz | If I download the install DVDs plus the one update CD, is it possible to tell the installer to look for updated packages on the update cd as well to avoid having to do the updates after installation? |
| 15:01.27 | WizardOfWoz | I meant update DVD |
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| 15:03.15 | wizardofwoz | Once I download the 5 install DVDs, is it possible to point the installer to the update DVD to avoid having to install the updates after installation? |
| 15:04.00 | wizardofwoz | If not, then it would make more sense to download the netinst package |
| 15:04.05 | wizardofwoz | i meant iso |
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| 15:05.04 | peterrooney | wizardofwoz: if the target machine has a net connection, use net install. far less bandwidth. |
| 15:05.12 | TZug | hello @all |
| 15:05.42 | wizardofwoz | anyone? |
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| 15:06.21 | TZug | is there a way to prevent parport_pc from grabbing a defined lpt device(adress) ? |
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| 15:06.24 | peterrooney | wizardofwoz: yes, it's possible (see apt-cdrom package) but it's probably not what you want to do. |
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| 15:06.41 | oracle | hi :) |
| 15:06.46 | angel-tsankov | how can I assign a shortcut to switch keyboard layout |
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| 15:08.17 | peterrooney | wizardofwoz: sorry, apt-cdrom is part of apt packages. me no coffee yet (west coast) |
| 15:09.18 | macrobat | angel-tsankov: if not using a DE, xbindkeys and setxkbmap |
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| 15:10.17 | macrobat | maybe in a script if you want to use the same bind for all maps |
| 15:11.20 | oracle | how do i install a desktop enivronment |
| 15:11.24 | lazka | I have a problem using autoremove. I have installed gnome-color-manager which pulled in argyll und some icc package (both marked autoinstalled).. after that I removed gnome-color manager but autoremove says there are no packages to remove. Am I missing something? |
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| 15:12.28 | jordanm | lazka: aptitude why argyll |
| 15:12.39 | macrobat | oracle: gnome, kde or xfce4? aptitude search is a start |
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| 15:12.54 | oracle | im trying aptitude search gnome |
| 15:13.03 | oracle | i may want the laptop utils too. |
| 15:13.12 | jordanm | oracle: you may just want to run "tasksel" |
| 15:13.21 | oracle | thats probably what i want |
| 15:13.40 | oracle | yep, thats what i wanted. thanks |
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| 15:15.13 | lazka | jordanm, "Unable to find a reason to install argyll." |
| 15:15.23 | lazka | (it's installed btw) |
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| 15:16.37 | Syria | Hi there |
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| 15:17.17 | Syria | Can you please tell me what is the different between ubuntu and debian? |
| 15:17.35 | jpinx-eeepc | !based on debian |
| 15:17.35 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 15:18.08 | angel-tsankov | tell! aptitude |
| 15:18.21 | Syria | dpkg: Thank you:) |
| 15:18.21 | dpkg | sure thing, Syria |
| 15:18.21 | angel-tsankov | tell! angel-tsankov about aptitude |
| 15:18.26 | stew | lazka: what does "aptitude search -F%M,%C argyll" return? |
| 15:18.49 | stew | !tell angel-tsankov about self tell |
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| 15:18.55 | crow | http://facepwn.com/posters/debian.jpg |
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| 15:19.52 | abrotman | Guest89262: do you need help? or you're just here to cause problems? |
| 15:20.03 | abrotman | erm |
| 15:20.07 | abrotman | Guest57580: |
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| 15:22.04 | fishcooker | why epiphany cant handle facebook chat anymore |
| 15:22.07 | lazka | stew, "A,installed" |
| 15:22.15 | fishcooker | i got dumb iceweasle |
| 15:22.18 | fishcooker | dump i mean |
| 15:22.53 | abrotman | are you using gecko or webkit epiphany? and maybe you should ask facebook what they've changed? |
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| 15:23.17 | stew | lazka: does "aptitude search '~i~Dargyll'" return matches? |
| 15:23.19 | Syria | Which one should I download please? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.6/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 15:23.36 | jordanm | !netinst |
| 15:23.36 | dpkg | from memory, netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 15:23.36 | lazka | stew, no |
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| 15:25.54 | stew | lazka: what about "aptitude search '~i?recommends(argyll)'" ? |
| 15:26.18 | lazka | stew, nothing |
| 15:26.30 | stew | i dunno then |
| 15:26.34 | lazka | stew, fun thing.. if I do aptitude markauto argyll it gets removed |
| 15:26.41 | jordanm | did we verify it was marked A? |
| 15:26.48 | stew | jordanm: yeah |
| 15:27.07 | stew | jordanm: see his reponse to: < stew> lazka: what does "aptitude search -F%M,%C argyll" return? |
| 15:27.16 | jordanm | I see it now |
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| 15:27.47 | Syria | jpinx-eeepc: would you tell me which one should I install for my laptop? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.6/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 15:28.10 | fishcooker | anyone on the reference of epiphany |
| 15:28.21 | fishcooker | i miss it |
| 15:29.02 | stew | Syria: will the machine you are installing onto be able to get onto the internet with a default kernel in order to fetch packages? |
| 15:29.12 | jpinx-eeepc | Syria: depends on the laptop type/CPU |
| 15:29.31 | zomgbie | if free shows a lot of used memory/buffers/cache but i can't pinpoint any specific process with ps/top to be responsible for it, what can be the issue here? memory leaking somewhere? |
| 15:29.53 | jpinx-eeepc | !memory |
| 15:29.53 | dpkg | rumour has it, memory is Chips in a computer that remember data. Also commonly referred to as <RAM>. |
| 15:30.00 | jpinx-eeepc | !free |
| 15:30.00 | dpkg | methinks free is defined in English with many different meanings of which only one refers to cost. Easier in French, or 'free beer' = gratuit / 'free speech' = libre, or http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html, or free (procps) tells you how much memory is used/wasted ("Mem:") and how much is being necessarily used/could be freed ("-/+ buffers/cache:"), see also <free ram>. |
| 15:30.06 | Syria | stew: I have a slow internet conncetion. 15kb p/s for downloading. |
| 15:30.06 | jpinx-eeepc | !ram |
| 15:30.06 | dpkg | rumour has it, ram is (Random Access Memory) The place in your computer that programs reside when running, or usually small but very fast storage device, or unused ram is _wasted_ ram! Ask me about <free ram> or <myram>. |
| 15:30.07 | stew | zomgbie: if you have lots of cache/buffers it means that you have lots of unused memory that your kernel is trying to put to better use |
| 15:30.12 | jordanm | I think your looking for "free ram" |
| 15:30.25 | angel-tsankov | looks for a a command line tool to install a .deb file (along with its dependencies) |
| 15:30.29 | jordanm | you're |
| 15:30.36 | Syria | jpinx-eeepc: Yes i think that my laptop is 64bit capable dv6 1045ee. the cpu is core2due. |
| 15:30.36 | jpinx-eeepc | zomgbie: /msg dpkg ram |
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| 15:31.03 | jpinx-eeepc | jordanm: yep . sorry for the cruft |
| 15:31.10 | jordanm | angel-tsankov: aptitude using the file:// URI or dpkg -i <foo>; aptitude install -f |
| 15:31.21 | jordanm | angel-tsankov: the later only works if they are not pre-depends |
| 15:31.29 | zomgbie | yeah still nagios just went off telling me that less than 10% of free memory are available |
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| 15:31.33 | zomgbie | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:31.35 | zomgbie | Mem: 64250 60774 3475 0 142 2707 |
| 15:31.38 | zomgbie | -/+ buffers/cache: 57925 6325 |
| 15:31.40 | zomgbie | Swap: 7632 169 7463 |
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| 15:34.15 | lazka | stew, the same thing with a different package on my laptop (laptop: fresh squeeze install 4 days ago, main pc fresh installed squeeze today) |
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| 15:35.22 | zomgbie | jpinx-eeepc: i know this concept but what i don't get is the "used" buffers/cache where there shouldn't be anywhere as much usage (only have some daemons running) |
| 15:36.07 | zomgbie | why doesn't ps/top show me the memory "hog" here? could it be that something is wrong with a process leaking memory? |
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| 15:36.48 | jpinx-eeepc | zomgbie: you seriously need to rtfm about how ram is used in linux ;) |
| 15:37.22 | angel-tsankov | jordanm: what's this file://URI |
| 15:37.34 | zomgbie | jpinx-eeepc: i know, i know that the kernel is maxing out what it can get but still this doesn't seem normal to me. |
| 15:38.13 | jpinx-eeepc | zomgbie: "seeming normal" is not something we can address here;) |
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| 15:40.02 | jhutchins_lt | angel-tsankov: Generally that isn't how we manage software in debian, we use the package management tools to request the installation, they handle the dependencies. |
| 15:40.11 | Syria | jpinx-eeepc: Should i download the last cd? no 29? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.6/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 15:40.14 | jhutchins_lt | angel-tsankov: Access to on-line repositories makes this easy and automatic. |
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| 15:40.18 | zomgbie | jpinx-eeepc: using up 90% of 64GB ram for some little mysql and http running on a test system seems imho rather strange yes and has never happened before (have that system running for 2 months now) |
| 15:40.23 | jhutchins_lt | angel-tsankov: What package are you trying to install, and where did you get it? |
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| 15:41.03 | angel-tsankov | jhutchins_lt: the package is skype (there may be other such packages in the future) |
| 15:41.16 | jhutchins_lt | zomgbie: Linux considers unused ram a waste, so it makes use of as much as it can. |
| 15:41.41 | jpinx-eeepc | zomgbie: afaik linux will fill whatever ram it finds |
| 15:41.45 | jhutchins_lt | angel-tsankov: Does skype not have a debian repository? |
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| 15:41.50 | angel-tsankov | jhutchins_lt: the skype package has certain deps that I'd like to be resolved automatically so taht I can install skype from a shell script |
| 15:42.02 | zomgbie | jhutchins_lt: i know this concept but how could a simple server which would run perfectly on 256mb ram after a time fill up up to 64GB? i don't get it. |
| 15:42.06 | angel-tsankov | jhutchins_lt: I did not find any repo for skype |
| 15:42.15 | themill | dpkg: tell angel-tsankov about skype |
| 15:42.16 | jpinx-eeepc | zomgbie: you seriously need to rtfm about how ram is used in linux ;) |
| 15:42.47 | jpinx-eeepc | Syria: do a net install |
| 15:42.58 | zomgbie | jpinx-eeepc: ok please give me a pointer to a document in that regard, i can't think of anything caching with that little "todo" even after years of runtime. |
| 15:43.21 | jhutchins_lt | jpinx-eeepc: What do you expect idle ram to acomplish? |
| 15:43.48 | jpinx-eeepc | zomgbie: giyf |
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| 15:44.06 | jpinx-eeepc | jhutchins_lt: me? |
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| 15:44.29 | jhutchins_lt | fferg. No, sorry, zomgbie. |
| 15:44.32 | zomgbie | jpinx-eeepc: ok i got it thanks anyways. i can tell you though that this is not "standard" behaviour, it simply isn't logical. |
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| 15:44.42 | jhutchins_lt | wonders if there is more coffee... |
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| 15:45.12 | AlexC_ | morning |
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| 15:45.45 | AlexC_ | I have an issue whereby I can SFTP into an account just fine; however I can not 'su - foobar' to it when I login through another account. I provide the correct password but it just says Authentication Failure |
| 15:46.30 | at0m | zomgbie: it's completely logical on *nix. it just likes to keep stuff in RAM for later. if any app wants more RAM, RAM will be cleared first. or do you prefer your OS to get it from your hyperfast ;p RAID? |
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| 15:47.08 | AlexC_ | I've just tried it now with 'sudo adduser cake; su - cake' and I can not switch to this user |
| 15:47.44 | AlexC_ | I can however 'sudo su - cake' perfectly fine |
| 15:48.03 | jordanm | AlexC_: sudo -u cake |
| 15:48.19 | jpinx-eeepc | AlexC_: man sudo ;) |
| 15:48.19 | AlexC_ | jordanm: not what I'm wanting to do |
| 15:48.20 | jordanm | AlexC_: what happens when you try? are you giving the correct password? |
| 15:48.41 | jpinx-eeepc | s/sudo/su |
| 15:48.46 | jordanm | AlexC_: it would be the proper way of doing the command directly above that |
| 15:48.58 | AlexC_ | jordanm: yes I know, but the issue is that I can't 'su - cake' |
| 15:49.02 | jordanm | err sorry, sudo -u cake -i |
| 15:49.11 | jordanm | !tell AlexC_ about errors |
| 15:49.36 | AlexC_ | jordanm: already said, 'Authentication failure' with nothing of interest in /var/log/auth.log |
| 15:49.41 | zomgbie | at0m: but how could you ever fill up 64gb with an almost idle fallback/test server? there must be some data to put there, this is what i don't get. it would be great to find out what is taking up so much of that cache/buffer, i fear it is some heavy memory leaking which is happening here. |
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| 15:50.01 | AlexC_ | jpinx-eeepc: I'll read it, though I've always be able to do this |
| 15:50.04 | jordanm | AlexC_: sounds like you are giving the wrong password. reset it to be sure |
| 15:50.19 | AlexC_ | jordanm: nope, 100% the correct password |
| 15:50.43 | AlexC_ | the only change that I can think would have caused this, is I removed 'portmap', and from what I know since then it has not worked |
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| 15:50.57 | AlexC_ | now this could be a coincidence, I can't be sure |
| 15:50.58 | at0m | zomgbie: top will give you some clues |
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| 15:51.49 | jordanm | AlexC_: su -l cake --norc |
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| 15:52.12 | AlexC_ | unrecognised option `--norc' |
| 15:52.29 | jordanm | oh, right, thats an option for bash |
| 15:52.34 | PSPdemon | curious... ive been able to get wired and wireless connection to work to the router |
| 15:52.38 | PSPdemon | but i still cannot get net |
| 15:52.55 | zomgbie | at0m: unfortunately all processes (and there are not many) show under 1% memory usage. never experienced something like this before. |
| 15:52.56 | PSPdemon | i can access my routers web panel and all |
| 15:53.16 | AlexC_ | jpinx-eeepc: what were you suggesting in the man page for 'su' btw? |
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| 15:53.28 | at0m | zomgbie: don't worry, get over it |
| 15:53.30 | jordanm | PSPdemon: it is common for APs to block that access from wireless clients |
| 15:53.41 | PSPdemon | jordanm, what about wired? |
| 15:53.48 | jordanm | PSPdemon: no |
| 15:53.52 | PSPdemon | i get the same results from wired |
| 15:54.29 | zomgbie | at0m: i got it, people think i'm either dumb or paranoid or both. great, thanks anyw |
| 15:54.32 | PSPdemon | can access the web panel on the router on the wired connection but just cant use net :/ |
| 15:54.33 | zomgbie | ays :) |
| 15:55.12 | PSPdemon | is getting very frustrated on this... its connecting to the router but not allowing net >_< |
| 15:56.02 | jpinx-eeepc | AlexC_: possible options to try for the su command |
| 15:56.14 | at0m | zomgbie: http://virtualthreads.blogspot.com/2006/02/understanding-memory-usage-on-linux.html |
| 15:57.38 | AlexC_ | jpinx-eeepc: I can't see anything of relevance. What's even strange is I can SSH in perfectly fine |
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| 16:00.30 | AlexC_ | time to go, g'bye |
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| 16:04.24 | open | hi |
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| 16:04.55 | open | when I turn on the microwave, my laptop loses its wifi, and then the wireless network connection thing tries to reconnent... but it often can't |
| 16:05.01 | angel-tsankov | is ti possible to define user-defined pre/post package install hooks? |
| 16:05.23 | open | and after like a minute the icon just disappears. I'm on Debian Lenny -- can anyone remark on my problem please? |
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| 16:05.44 | Kyle__ | What would the "proper" way be to create a central syslog server with debian 5? Set the options -c2 -r? Is there a better/nicer way? |
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| 16:06.59 | themill | open: get microwave that doesn't leak quite so badly? |
| 16:07.10 | jordanm | Kyle__: rsyslog doesn't appear to have a -r option |
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| 16:07.40 | open | themill, do you think it's bad for me health-wise, btw? |
| 16:07.49 | jordanm | Kyle__: should just need something like $InputTCPServerRun 514 in /etc/rsyslog.conf |
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| 16:09.46 | petemc | open: if your hardware supports it using 5gz would prevent your microwave interfering with your wireless |
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| 16:10.35 | lazka | stew, thanks for your help, I found the bugreport #594689 |
| 16:11.20 | lazka | apt from unstable works :) |
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| 16:17.54 | alcy | can't remember the name of the frontend to hddparm...or some similar toool to monitor a hard disk's health...any clues ? |
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| 16:18.05 | tomodachi | alcy: smart |
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| 16:18.17 | tomodachi | try searching the repositories for it .. |
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| 16:18.40 | Kyle__ | jordanm: it took the setting without complaint, but it does not appear to be collecting any logs from the machine I pointed at it. |
| 16:19.30 | jordanm | Kyle__: did you restart the service after changing the configuration? |
| 16:19.46 | Kyle__ | jordanm: Yes, on the client and the server |
| 16:19.48 | jordanm | all the remote stuff will likely get dumped in /var/log/messages if no further configuration is done |
| 16:19.53 | alcy | tomodachi: cool, thanks |
| 16:19.54 | Kyle__ | nods |
| 16:20.03 | K|nG | Is anyone here running in his root a Webhosting company ?? |
| 16:20.05 | Kyle__ | jordanm: Which would be ok for a start, but I'm not seeing anything. |
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| 16:20.48 | stew | K|nG: "running in his root"? |
| 16:21.04 | K|nG | Dedicat server "OS Debian" |
| 16:21.04 | jordanm | Kyle__: is both client and server using the same protocol? eg. tcp or udp? does nmap and netstat show the port open on the server |
| 16:21.11 | K|nG | stew Dedicat server "OS Debian" |
| 16:21.43 | stew | K|nG: many people here would run servers running debian |
| 16:22.11 | Kyle__ | jordanm: In this case the clients are ubuntu boxes, configured by appending *.* @syslog to /etc/rsyslogd.conf. That works to have all messages copied to a remote server running traditional syslogd. |
| 16:22.15 | K|nG | Can i PM you stew |
| 16:22.20 | KB1JWQ | K|nG: Yes, I'm the senior engineer for a web hosting company. Yes, we're based on debian. :-) |
| 16:22.34 | stew | K|nG: sure, but if you have a question about running debian, its best asked in the channel here |
| 16:23.08 | jordanm | Kyle__: you don't explicitly tell it to which server to send the data to? |
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| 16:23.22 | Kyle__ | jordanm: I do. syslog is the name of the server, in DNS. |
| 16:23.39 | jordanm | Kyle__: my only experience with this is a debian syslog server and ddwrt routers, which have you explicitly point it at the syslog server |
| 16:23.44 | jordanm | ah |
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| 16:23.58 | Kyle__ | jordanm: I like to have my hostnames mean something :) when I run DNS. |
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| 16:24.11 | jordanm | Kyle__: what about specifying port? |
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| 16:24.30 | alcy | darn. X/gdm crashed/restarted during an apt-get install smartmontools |
| 16:24.49 | Kyle__ | jordanm: if you do a straight redirect like that it should go to the default syslog port: 514 |
| 16:24.53 | jordanm | Kyle__: according to rsyslog.conf, your line would default to UDP port 514 |
| 16:24.59 | Kyle__ | nods |
| 16:25.17 | Kyle__ | I did that for tcp, not UDP, didn't I.... |
| 16:25.53 | Kyle__ | Lets see if InputUDPServerRun is a valid config... |
| 16:25.58 | jordanm | Kyle__: yep, might want to change it |
| 16:26.07 | jordanm | Kyle__: it should already be present in the comments |
| 16:27.39 | Kyle__ | jordanm: Then TCP option was, but not the udp |
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| 16:28.17 | jordanm | Kyle__: man rsyslog.conf is quite detailed |
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| 16:37.32 | ziarkaen | If I install stable and upgrade to testing, how different will the result be from a straight testing install? |
| 16:37.50 | jaundice|afk | anyone know what the bd in debian-testing-amd64-BD-1.iso signifies? |
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| 16:42.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | tssk |
| 16:42.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | ziarkaen, how big is a forest? |
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| 16:43.37 | ziarkaen | CutMeOwnThroat, I'm talking about a straight install with no subsequent modifications to packages. It is reproducible across many systems. |
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| 16:44.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | still, this is vague |
| 16:44.55 | themill | jaundice|afk: bluray disk, I presume... can't say I've ever used anything other than the netinstall though. |
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| 16:45.25 | ukl | hello. I've got two computers on this network, both running debian. One's aptitude upgrade is fast (regarding downloading of packages) and using sid, the other one, using squeeze, is slow, both use ftp.debian.org |
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| 16:45.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | obvious consequences are, you can end up with config from an earlier version (although every upgrade package should ask you if you want the newer version) and you can end up with packages that were in lenny but are not in squeeze and have no direct replacement that conflicts with the package in lenny |
| 16:45.59 | ukl | I think I remember something about GeoIP done on the fast one, but I'm not sure. Q: what have I missed on the slow one |
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| 16:46.27 | ukl | (there's no caching going on between the laptops and the internets) |
| 16:47.05 | stew | ukl: please don't use ftp.debian.org, use a local mirror instead: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 16:48.15 | ukl | stew: that's the thing, I did some time go, but found some piece of information that suggested I didn't have to, because of some GeoIP thing and it seems like I really didn't have to. Am I somewhat confused here or what could it have been? |
| 16:48.17 | ziarkaen | CutMeOwnThroat, OK thanks. Is there an easy way to list of remove the packages you mentioned that were in lenny, but not squeeze? i.e. Does the pkg DB hold which repo the package came from? |
| 16:48.24 | Strogg | hrm.. I thought ftp.debian.org used a round robin load balancer type thing. |
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| 16:48.54 | ukl | Strogg: yes, something like that. I just can't find uptodate information on it |
| 16:49.10 | ukl | something about cdn.debian.net on the wiki from 2008, but... |
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| 16:49.25 | themill | ukl, Strogg: there has been talk of trying to do that and it is implemented on some debian services. Whether to go any further on this is still being discussed. |
| 16:49.37 | Strogg | ahhh. Neat. I had no idea |
| 16:49.41 | Kyle__ | OK, seems to have done it. |
| 16:49.42 | Kyle__ | thanks |
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| 16:49.53 | Armageddon | I was trying to install rivendell from their repos and now I can't remove it nor install it again, error is. http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/501615/ any one has any idea ? |
| 16:50.01 | jordanm | anytime |
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| 16:50.25 | ukl | themill: ok thanks |
| 16:50.45 | jaundice|afk | themill, ah that makes sense cheers |
| 16:50.51 | jordanm | Armageddon: who is "their" and what are you actually running? |
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| 16:51.01 | jordanm | ,versions rivendell |
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| 16:51.02 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'rivendell' was found in i386. |
| 16:51.05 | stew | ukl: ftp.debian.org uses donated bandwidth that we'd rather people not use up when there are local mirrors they could be using instead |
| 16:51.06 | seeds | Armageddon try dpkg --purge |
| 16:51.24 | Armageddon | seeds, same |
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| 16:51.33 | seeds | hmm |
| 16:51.34 | Bushmills | there is no debian package "rivendell" |
| 16:51.35 | stew | ukl: and ftp.debian.org should be resolving to the same ip no matter where you are, its not geo-ip |
| 16:51.38 | Armageddon | that's why I said I added their repos |
| 16:51.44 | jordanm | Armageddon: who is "their" and what are you actually running? |
| 16:51.45 | jhutchins_lt | Armageddon: Which release of debian are you running? |
| 16:51.55 | Bushmills | ah, what jordanm found out already |
| 16:51.59 | Armageddon | testing, squeeze |
| 16:52.15 | ukl | stew: ok, thanks. got everything changed. |
| 16:52.21 | jhutchins_lt | Armageddon: What happens when you try to reinstall it? |
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| 16:52.38 | Armageddon | jhutchins_lt, same thing |
| 16:52.57 | angel-tsankov | ctrl+alt+backspace kils the xserver; how can I disable this shortcut |
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| 16:53.10 | seeds | Armageddon u might to have remove manually |
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| 16:53.17 | Armageddon | seeds, how do I do that ? |
| 16:53.33 | Armageddon | seeds, I've done it once before, but I can't seem to find it |
| 16:53.39 | seeds | locate all instances of rivendell |
| 16:53.56 | seeds | I had this problem with heybuddy |
| 16:54.06 | themill | dpkg: tell angel-tsankov about dontzap |
| 16:54.14 | Armageddon | jordanm, this might answer your question http://rivendell.tryphon.org/wiki/Install_under_Debian |
| 16:54.15 | seeds | and I removed it manually |
| 16:54.19 | Armageddon | seeds, can you link me somewhere ? |
| 16:54.21 | jhutchins_lt | Armageddon: Well, I doubt it's EXACTLY the same thing, but what about aptitude -f install? dpkg-configure -a? |
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| 16:54.58 | Bushmills | if it doesn't uninstall, probably the package remove script is broken, and a case for the package maintainer |
| 16:55.30 | seeds | Armageddon I used the command locate to find all the places where rivendell was on my system |
| 16:55.43 | Armageddon | Bushmills, it's not in the official debian repos |
| 16:55.59 | Bushmills | still there is a package maintainer |
| 16:56.16 | Armageddon | seeds, locate doesn't find anything |
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| 16:56.30 | jordanm | hehe, they actually instruct people to manually create the user associated with the application. perhaps they don't know what maintainer scripts are :) |
| 16:56.41 | seeds | k |
| 16:56.52 | seeds | try find |
| 16:56.59 | TMM | stew, |
| 16:57.01 | Armageddon | nothing |
| 16:57.03 | jordanm | would complain to their mailing list that their package is broken |
| 16:57.04 | jhutchins_lt | Bushmills: looks like a pretty serious and legitimate project. |
| 16:57.05 | seeds | hmm |
| 16:57.05 | stew | seeds: what are you tyring to find? |
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| 16:57.09 | stew | TMM: ? |
| 16:57.16 | Bushmills | hm, could be with an alien'ed .deb package |
| 16:57.25 | seeds | stew not me |
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| 16:57.35 | jordanm | stew: he wants him to manually locate all the files from the external deb and rm them |
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| 16:58.08 | Armageddon | I have a question, there was a way to delete an already installed application with the package manager, I deleted the file manually and tried to install before and it worked fine... where's that directory ? |
| 16:58.18 | jordanm | sounds horrible to me, and something I would never do, but I have nothing to suggest in its place |
| 16:58.23 | jhutchins_lt | Armageddon: I would suggest both looking at the install and uninstall scripts in the package for immediate gratification and contacting rivendel's support - mailing list, forum, whatever - for a real solution (successful install). |
| 16:58.41 | stew | seeds: why use find or locate when dpkg has a list of files? |
| 16:59.04 | jhutchins_lt | Armageddon: You are assuming more knowledge of an obscure, non-Debian package than we actually posess. |
| 16:59.13 | Armageddon | jhutchins_lt, I just want my aptitude to work, now it doesn't work with this broken package |
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| 16:59.20 | seeds | stew I had this problem before and nothing worked. I had to resort to that horrible process |
| 16:59.20 | jhutchins_lt | Armageddon: I would guess that very few of us run radio stations. |
| 16:59.37 | jhutchins_lt | Armageddon: It's not your aptitude that doesn't work, it's the package. |
| 16:59.39 | Armageddon | jhutchins_lt, I was trying to test not run |
| 17:00.04 | seeds | and eventually dpkg --purge worked |
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| 17:00.39 | seeds | cos whenever i ran apt-update && apt-upgrade it still mentioned heybuddy |
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| 17:01.39 | jordanm | seeds: he was talking about using dpkg -L to locate the files instead of guessing+GNU find |
| 17:01.56 | stew | or /var/lib/dpkg/info/packagename.list |
| 17:01.57 | seeds | jordanm oh ok |
| 17:02.09 | stew | or /var/lib/dpkg/info/packagename.md5sums |
| 17:02.25 | seeds | my bad |
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| 17:03.05 | Armageddon | well the problem is that I'm lost, when I try to purge it using dpkg it says I must install it first, and when I try to install it it doesn't work |
| 17:03.30 | jordanm | sounds like a good reason not use other people's crappy .debs |
| 17:03.32 | unomi | I am having some problems with utf-8 |
| 17:03.45 | stew | Armageddon: be more specific than "doesn't work" show us what you command you are running and what results you get |
| 17:03.57 | unomi | in urxvt : unicode_start |
| 17:03.59 | unomi | Won't set unicode mode: not a VT. |
| 17:04.47 | Armageddon | http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/501624/ |
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| 17:05.42 | unomi | anything I should look at? |
| 17:06.34 | stew | Armageddon: what happens when you try to install it? |
| 17:07.11 | Armageddon | stew, let me show you |
| 17:07.51 | jhutchins_lt | Armageddon: Yes, an install would be useful, as would something like dpkg-configure -a |
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| 17:08.26 | Armageddon | stew, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/501628/ |
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| 17:09.16 | jhutchins_lt | LOL - good one! |
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| 17:09.25 | Armageddon | stew, it says something about usplash, do I need to install it ? |
| 17:10.47 | stew | Armageddon: i'd short circuit the rivendell init script, make it "exit 0" at the top so it does nothing but exit |
| 17:11.15 | Armageddon | stew, okay now that's too much technicalities for me, can you at least show me the path ? |
| 17:11.31 | jhutchins_lt | Armageddon: Do you suppose line 12 is significant? |
| 17:11.47 | Armageddon | jhutchins, |
| 17:11.59 | Armageddon | jhutchins_lt, I know it is, I saw it, but I don't know how to reconfigure rivendell |
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| 17:13.06 | jhutchins_lt | Armageddon: This is why I would suggest that you contact their support channel. Perhaps you need to add user BumbleFoot prior to installation, or perhaps you need to make changes in the script. |
| 17:13.33 | Armageddon | jhutchins_lt, give me a sec please |
| 17:13.58 | jhutchins_lt | Armageddon: You are expecting us to find this thing, download it, disassemble the install script, find the error, correct it, test it, then tell you how. That's a bit unreasonable. |
| 17:14.18 | jhutchins_lt | Armageddon: Expecially as someone in the rivendel support system has very likely alread done so. |
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| 17:14.41 | Armageddon | jhutchins_lt, all I was expecting is to be able to delete the package, their installation script has a bug, I think I found it |
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| 17:15.32 | jhutchins_lt | would tend to agree. |
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| 17:19.09 | oracle | should i install gdm to get gnome running or is there really a better way |
| 17:19.31 | Armageddon | oracle, you don't need to install gdm to get gnome running, you can try startx |
| 17:19.51 | Armageddon | oracle, unless you like to have a login page, then go for gdm |
| 17:20.17 | nickaugust | any idea if I can get the external monitor port on my laptop working without X windows installed? |
| 17:20.42 | nickaugust | ... for playing movies.. framebuffer or something i guess |
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| 17:21.06 | steffkes | hi guys .. short noobish ssh-connection-question |
| 17:21.10 | oracle | armageddon, okay thnks |
| 17:21.14 | oracle | steffkes, ask |
| 17:21.45 | Armageddon | oracle, you might also need gdm for easy DE choosing if you have more then one |
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| 17:22.12 | steffkes | http://dpaste.org/vJnw/ connection from a win7-system to a debian one, which is running in a vmware |
| 17:22.35 | steffkes | after line7 it hangs a few seconds .. no difference if there is a public key or not |
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| 17:23.07 | nsadmin | what happens after a few seconds |
| 17:23.08 | jhutchins_lt | steffkes: Is there a private key at one of those locations? |
| 17:23.14 | oracle | disable password logins |
| 17:23.16 | steffkes | the debian-system is out of the box .. with a few packages installed via apt-get .. but no changes to system files or things like that |
| 17:23.31 | steffkes | nsadmin, it continues with the rest of the ouput .. and login succeeds |
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| 17:23.44 | nsadmin | oh, dns maybe |
| 17:23.56 | steffkes | jhutchins_lt, actually not .. therefore 0x0 output .. but even if there is one .. same thing |
| 17:24.06 | steffkes | oracle, sshd_config right? |
| 17:24.08 | nsadmin | but the delay seems short for a dns problem |
| 17:24.29 | oracle | steffkes, yep |
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| 17:24.38 | rgr | looking for a screen recorder which works with nvidia and twinview. so far recordmydesktop and istanbul have failed - choppy as hell and blacking out. squeeze. |
| 17:24.45 | oracle | if its a dns problem, just add UseDNS no |
| 17:24.47 | steffkes | nsadmin, this delay only happens on ssh login .. http/what-ever access .. amazing fast ;o |
| 17:24.57 | steffkes | i'll test both ... :> |
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| 17:25.38 | nsadmin | steffkes: that is... here's a problem you can rule in/out... maybe your ssh server (on the linux?) asks the question: what name is associated with the ip trying to connect to me? |
| 17:25.42 | rgr | steffkes: I had that with bind running locally. I moved to fixed ip in the hosts file and it was instant connect. |
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| 17:26.47 | steffkes | nsadmin, ah okay .. that make sense to me *g |
| 17:26.48 | nsadmin | rgr: did you have an internal domain served by the local bind (so it could provide reverse lookups for that domain)? |
| 17:27.12 | nsadmin | steffkes, may or may not be that. |
| 17:27.45 | rgr | I had bind running on my mailserver with all lan client configured. I'm pretty sure it was done right. BUt that said I'll never play with bind again. I since removed it and moved to fixed ip in hosts file. does my needs fine. |
| 17:28.17 | rgr | But I think it was a reverse dns issue - not that I pretend to really understand how all that works. |
| 17:28.33 | steffkes | oracle, UseDNS no does the trick .. thanks =) |
| 17:29.22 | steffkes | nsadmin, also thanks |
| 17:29.30 | jhutchins_lt | Argh. Linux Magazine's link to an article on Admin Tools leads to a clickthrough add - that doesn't run on Linux. |
| 17:29.37 | rgr | What prompted me to drop bind was my dns machine exploding and then, amazingly, my main desktop wuold not load the nvidia module so I was back to terminal at boot. I switched back to fixed ip from hosts and interfaces file and themachine started fine. I have NO idea why no dns available at boot would cause my dev machine not load X but I'm not going there again ;) |
| 17:29.49 | jhutchins_lt | Yes, their advice is as good as that would lead you to believe. The first tool listed is webmin. |
| 17:30.19 | nsadmin | clickthru ads don't run on linux?! shocking! |
| 17:30.56 | jordanm | rgr: sounds like you could have avoided all of it by asking your ISP to give you a valid PTR record |
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| 17:31.10 | jordanm | or hosting provider |
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| 17:31.57 | rgr | it was nothing to do with my ISP. This was local lan only. |
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| 17:33.33 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
| 17:33.39 | rgr | I had installed bind to assign local lan IPs to my other lan machines ato in lan queries as opposed to getting my router address. Apparently my router is too crap to cope or something .... |
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| 18:00.21 | Nick3 | I was able to make an RPM out of it fairly easy (just a few make commands), but to make a debian package it seems non-trivial |
| 18:00.53 | Nick3 | I keep getting the error "cannot files list file" |
| 18:01.05 | Nick3 | I've googled around but can't seem to find the cause of the error |
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| 18:11.50 | malchias | I did a netstat -ano and see tcp6 :::443, but not tcp 1.2.3.4:443 Why is this? I know it's ipv6, but is it just not showing ipv4 or am I just not understanding what is said by the command? |
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| 18:20.55 | Mattz0r | Hey there, im not sure if i should ask here, or shoutcast, but either way, im getting "unable to set format to 16 bit little endian" errors. |
| 18:21.03 | Mattz0r | anyone ever experienced this before? |
| 18:21.13 | Mattz0r | i've been googling for the last hour or so, and cant find anything :/ |
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| 18:34.23 | oznt | hi everyone |
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| 18:35.03 | oznt | a quick question about kernel compilation: is there away to avoid compiling the 100's of modules i don't use ? |
| 18:35.17 | Mattz0r | remove them? |
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| 18:35.36 | oznt | Mattz0r, was this directed to me ? |
| 18:35.39 | yitz_ | I'm trying to set up a preseeded installer. eg http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/example-preseed.txt But for the partitioning part, I want to drop back into the interactive interface. How would I go about doing that? |
| 18:36.15 | Mattz0r | it was a suggestion oznt |
| 18:36.29 | Mattz0r | is having 16 bit little endian problems :( |
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| 18:37.17 | oznt | Mattz0r, do you have a suggestion how to remove all the modules I don't use ? I mean I can lsmod and see the modules I'm using now, but how do I remove all the rest from the src directory ? |
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| 18:37.38 | Mattz0r | you'd have to recompile the kernel? |
| 18:37.43 | omani | it seems there is no pppoe support in the netinst base system right? |
| 18:37.49 | Mattz0r | and edit the menuconfig |
| 18:37.59 | omani | how can i set up pppoe (or pppoeconf) after installing the netinst image? |
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| 18:38.25 | Nick2 | Any help on solving the error "Makefile:19: *** target pattern contains no `%'. Stop."? |
| 18:38.35 | cc_ | does start-stop-daemon support launching TWO instances of the same binary ? with different options ? |
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| 18:39.29 | Mattz0r | omani: http://wiki.debian.org/PPPoE |
| 18:40.35 | omani | Mattz0r, there is NO pppoeconf on the system after the netinstallation |
| 18:40.44 | omani | thats what confuses me |
| 18:40.58 | Mattz0r | you install it |
| 18:40.58 | Mattz0r | :| |
| 18:41.06 | Mattz0r | apt-get install pppoeconf |
| 18:41.09 | Mattz0r | i assume |
| 18:41.20 | omani | Mattz0r, how shall I use apt-get without internet? |
| 18:41.33 | omani | I need to configure pppoe, that is obviously my problem |
| 18:41.40 | Mattz0r | well how are you online atm? |
| 18:41.46 | omani | thats my home pc |
| 18:41.52 | Nick2 | omani, couldn't you use your install cd? |
| 18:42.04 | omani | Nick2, u mean the netinst image? |
| 18:42.04 | Mattz0r | how did you install it with the net installation? |
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| 18:42.12 | Mattz0r | surely you had an internet connection? |
| 18:42.20 | Nick2 | Any help on solving the error "Makefile:19: *** target pattern contains no `%'. Stop."? |
| 18:42.33 | omani | Mattz0r, i said, that i have no inet connection and it resumed installing the base system |
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| 18:43.00 | Mattz0r | usb pen drive? |
| 18:43.04 | omani | with i said, i mean "i told the system" |
| 18:43.06 | Mattz0r | download it where u do have a connection |
| 18:43.06 | omani | yes |
| 18:43.13 | omani | i got it right here |
| 18:43.15 | omani | on my usb flash |
| 18:43.22 | Mattz0r | okay? so whats the prob lol |
| 18:43.23 | omani | the netinst image is on there |
| 18:43.30 | omani | Mattz0r, dunno tell me |
| 18:43.39 | omani | u mean, gotta install it from there? |
| 18:43.57 | Mattz0r | download the source files for pppoeconf, or find a .deb |
| 18:44.05 | Mattz0r | etc etc |
| 18:44.17 | abrotman | the netinst has pppoeconf already |
| 18:44.25 | omani | abrotman, me not |
| 18:44.34 | Mattz0r | im sure its had it since 2007, as per the pppoe page |
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| 18:44.57 | jhutchins_lt | Nick2: Obtain a corrected makefile. |
| 18:44.59 | omani | i installed netinst with NO inet connection, it proceeded with the installation. now after reboot, i cant find any pppoe configs nor pppoeconf |
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| 18:45.04 | oznt | Mattz0r, make menuconfig takes hours ... there are hundreds of options in there, i wish there was some trick |
| 18:45.17 | Mattz0r | just ignore the fact they are there? |
| 18:45.19 | Mattz0r | :/ |
| 18:45.32 | Mattz0r | omani: did you set the ppp-udeb option on boot? |
| 18:45.36 | omani | Mattz0r, no |
| 18:45.40 | Nick2 | jhutchins_lt, It works normally, it just stopped working after I tried to build it into a debian package |
| 18:45.41 | Mattz0r | that'll be why then |
| 18:45.44 | Mattz0r | read the pppoe page |
| 18:45.45 | jordanm | oznt: there is, use a precompiled package that someone else has already taken those hours to configure |
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| 18:46.08 | omani | but it doenst matter, i hadnt rly any opportunities to get online, so i decided to install just the base system to get the configuration afterwards |
| 18:46.16 | omani | but now i notice that there is no pppoeconf on it |
| 18:46.21 | Nick2 | if I download a copy from my SVN and run make on it, everything runs fine, but once I used dh-make on it to create the structure for a deb file, it stopped working |
| 18:46.26 | Mattz0r | just re-install using the modeules=ppp-udeb |
| 18:46.36 | omani | aight |
| 18:46.36 | omani | thx |
| 18:46.41 | Nick2 | Is there a developer channel I can join? |
| 18:46.42 | jordanm | !tell Nick2 about errors |
| 18:46.49 | oznt | jordanm, :-) is there a wiki or somewhere that i can find configuration files for different hardwares ? |
| 18:47.11 | Mattz0r | anyone have any idea what to do about little endian 16 bit errors? |
| 18:47.16 | Mattz0r | i've been at this for almost 2 hours lol |
| 18:47.18 | jordanm | oznt: modern distros use an initrd so that it will work on a wide range of hardware while keeping the base image small |
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| 18:47.41 | jordanm | oznt: what is your need that the standard debian kernel does not provide? |
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| 18:48.00 | oznt | the standard debian kernel does not work with my webcam |
| 18:48.03 | jhutchins_lt | oznt: What is your goal in removing modules? |
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| 18:48.17 | jordanm | oznt: and what kernel does? |
| 18:48.29 | oznt | jhutchins_lt, saving compilation time |
| 18:48.38 | oznt | jordanm, 2.6.34.* |
| 18:48.44 | michalxo | hello guys! What is the difference between flashplayer-mozilla: and flashplugin-nonfree ? |
| 18:48.55 | jordanm | oznt: .35 is available from experimental |
| 18:48.57 | jordanm | ,kernels |
| 18:48.58 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.36-rc5-686 (2.6.36~rc5-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-23); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-23); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-23~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-25lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 18:49.06 | jordanm | ah, .36 now |
| 18:49.07 | khaije|selen | Can aptitude tell me why packages are being held back from upgrade? |
| 18:49.08 | oznt | works nicely, but takes hours to compile |
| 18:49.20 | jordanm | khaije|selen: because you are not using full-upgrade |
| 18:49.29 | oznt | judd, thanks, that's actually new 2.6.36 |
| 18:49.30 | Nick2 | I have a program written in C, when I run 'make' on it, it normally works. When I follow the tutorial at http://www.debian-administration.org/article/337/Rolling_your_own_Debian_packages_part_2 and I try to run 'fakeroot debian/rules binary' I get the following errors http://pastebin.com/XjjicxCa |
| 18:49.42 | jhutchins_lt | oznt: Well, you can go through menuconfig and turn the ones you don't want off. |
| 18:50.20 | jhutchins_lt | oznt: If you're really going to mess with this you'd probably best read some of the guides on kernel compilation so you'll understand how to use the existing configuration and modify it, etc. |
| 18:50.41 | oznt | jhutchins_lt, i was looking for a trick :-) i know i can do it manually |
| 18:50.45 | jordanm | Nick2: you really should be following the new maintainers guide. looks like a problem with your rules file. see #debian-mentors on oftc |
| 18:50.48 | Mattz0r | where do i find out what utf's are enabled/available? |
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| 18:51.32 | khaije|selen | jordanm: why wouldn't the packages be considered a safe upgrade though? |
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| 18:51.42 | oznt | jhutchins_lt, LFS is my goal next year :-) but right now I'm writing my ms.c thesis , no time ,,, |
| 18:51.48 | jordanm | Mattz0r: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 18:52.08 | jordanm | khaije|selen: typically because it requires removal of a package, or the introduction of a new package |
| 18:52.14 | Nick2 | jordanm, I tried joining #debian-mentors but it said it was invite only |
| 18:52.24 | jordanm | Nick2: your on the wrong server |
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| 18:52.32 | Nick2 | I'm not sure what oftc is |
| 18:52.39 | jordanm | Nick2: its an irc network |
| 18:52.43 | Nick2 | All I want to run is a simple make command... |
| 18:52.46 | jordanm | Nick2: irc.oftc.net |
| 18:53.07 | Mattz0r | hmmm |
| 18:53.14 | jordanm | Nick2: you are not doing this for inclusion into the debian archives? |
| 18:53.27 | Mattz0r | why cant i find a utf-16 encoder/decoder? |
| 18:53.28 | Mattz0r | :S |
| 18:53.51 | jordanm | (if you are, it needs to a lot more than run "make") |
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| 18:54.38 | themill | Mattz0r: iconv |
| 18:54.59 | Mattz0r | hmm |
| 18:55.22 | khaije|selen | jordanm: is there now way to sort of highlight these changes so that I may evaluate them prior to a full-upgrade? |
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| 18:55.57 | jordanm | khaije|selen: you can add -s to aptitude full-upgrade, which will show you all the changes it will make without actually doing them |
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| 18:56.50 | Mattz0r | im gunna throw my pc out the window soon if this 16 bit little endian error doesn't get fixed |
| 18:56.51 | Mattz0r | :( |
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| 18:58.05 | _stefanos_ | Good evening everyone. I would like to move my filesytem from non-LVM to LVM. Can someone guide me please because I have not found a good article with extend explanation. Please advice |
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| 19:01.00 | jhutchins_lt | oznt: So the best way if you don't want to delve into the mysteries of kernel construction is to use the backported kernel. |
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| 19:02.02 | jhutchins_lt | oznt: Even if you were to go through and tune your kernel to your system, it would still probably take hours to complie, that's just how the process goes. |
| 19:02.06 | oznt | jhutchins_lt, that one is also not working for me |
| 19:02.07 | thewanderer1 | hello, I have a problem: wget works but curl returns: curl: (7) couldn't connect to host |
| 19:02.14 | jhutchins_lt | oznt: Which one? |
| 19:02.25 | oznt | 2.6.32 from backports |
| 19:02.34 | khaije|selen | jordanm: that'll work, thanks for yr patience & assistance |
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| 19:02.48 | jhutchins_lt | oznt: It's possible to just backport/compile the specific module you need. |
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| 19:03.17 | jhutchins_lt | oznt: See if http://wiki.debian.org/Modules is helpful. |
| 19:03.35 | oznt | jhutchins_lt, I also tried that, but it seemed easier to compile that newer kernel, which i already did successfuly |
| 19:03.48 | jordanm | khaije|selen: anytime |
| 19:03.49 | oznt | my question is only an "academic" one :-) |
| 19:04.00 | jhutchins_lt | oznt: so... was there still a question? |
| 19:04.07 | TMM | Mattz0r, what 16 bit le bug? |
| 19:04.14 | jhutchins_lt | oznt: ... or were you just exploring the idea? |
| 19:04.30 | thewanderer1 | guys, curl works for me on 1 host and doesn't work on another |
| 19:04.34 | Mattz0r | TMM? |
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| 19:04.39 | Mattz0r | What do you mean? |
| 19:04.47 | angel-tsankov | s it correct to say 'masquerade on eth0' |
| 19:04.56 | TMM | Mattz0r, you said something about throwing your PC out of the window |
| 19:04.56 | oznt | btw, I did apt-cache search linux-image with experimental and sid sources enabled, and I see kernel 2.6.35 from debian, but the web interface for searching package does not show that kernel, what's going on ? |
| 19:05.14 | oznt | jhutchins_lt, i was just exploring the idea, to learn new stuff |
| 19:05.16 | Mattz0r | well, I'm trying to stream on shoutcast, but it keeps throwing a "error setting format to 16 bit little endian" |
| 19:05.37 | jhutchins_lt | oznt: Mixing sources, mixing packages from different relases is a good way to get practice doing clean installs. |
| 19:05.41 | Mattz0r | and i can't find anything at all about it, i've been searching google and shoutcast forums for the past 2 hours |
| 19:05.50 | TMM | Mattz0r, what software are you using? icecast? |
| 19:06.05 | Mattz0r | points to his previous line which states shoutcast |
| 19:06.14 | Mattz0r | im using shoutcast + sc_trans |
| 19:06.23 | oznt | so where is the newer kernels ? why does apt-cache search shows them and the web interface doesn't ? |
| 19:06.38 | TMM | Mattz0r, I don't know anything about shoutcast, sorry. Icecast I do know :) |
| 19:06.39 | thewanderer1 | oznt: are you sure you picked "experimental" as the searched release? |
| 19:06.48 | Mattz0r | its not the server software that is the problem |
| 19:06.54 | Mattz0r | its the encoder/broadcasting software |
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| 19:07.13 | jhutchins_lt | oznt: Person responsible for updating "web interface"(?) has had too many other things to do? |
| 19:07.41 | oznt | jhutchins_lt, i thought it's a script :-) |
| 19:07.42 | themill | oznt: sounds like you're not searching for the right things (or that the upload was very very recent so packages.d.o has not yet picked up the new package) |
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| 19:07.50 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: if a man really types all this, I shall buy him beer. lots of. |
| 19:08.01 | jhutchins_lt | oznt: The repository that your web interface searches hasn't received the update yet? |
| 19:08.12 | oznt | can be |
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| 19:08.18 | thewanderer1 | 2.6.35 has been in experimental for months already |
| 19:08.24 | thewanderer1 | (some rc versions) |
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| 19:08.51 | jordanm | thewanderer1: 36 now |
| 19:09.02 | TMM | Mattz0r, possibly, I doubt we can help you here with a piece of non-free streaming software though. |
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| 19:09.28 | thewanderer1 | hmm, Pidgin doesn't seem to connect me to freenode... says sth about connection refused |
| 19:09.34 | jhutchins_lt | oznt: Ah, specifically about the .35 kernel - if you have't updated your sources, it's possible they don't show the update to .36. |
| 19:09.57 | oznt | i just did an apt-get update :-) |
| 19:10.18 | oznt | but maybe the german mirror are not yet synched |
| 19:10.22 | jhutchins_lt | oznt: So possibly your mirror is more generous and didn't delete .35. Does it show .36? |
| 19:10.32 | Mattz0r | TMM: have you ever streamed from a linux machine? |
| 19:10.43 | TMM | Mattz0r, yes, I'm running a stream right now :) |
| 19:10.51 | themill | oznt: the packages.d.o knows about that kernel without any problems at all.... http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=linux-image-2.6.36 |
| 19:10.51 | TMM | Mattz0r, listening to it too :) |
| 19:10.59 | Mattz0r | what broadcast software do you use? |
| 19:10.59 | atula | I am using amd64 release and was wondering, do I use /usr/lib or /usr/lib64 ? |
| 19:11.10 | TMM | Mattz0r, iceast with mpd |
| 19:11.19 | atula | oh... lib64 is just symlink to lib |
| 19:11.21 | Mattz0r | hmm |
| 19:11.32 | atula | ... then I should work in lib ? |
| 19:11.38 | Mattz0r | and thats what you use to stream the music to the server? |
| 19:11.43 | atula | why have lib64? |
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| 19:12.08 | TMM | Mattz0r, mpd streams to icecast, and icecast streams to the listeners if that is what you mean |
| 19:12.14 | Mattz0r | yeah |
| 19:12.23 | Mattz0r | does mpd only work with icecast? |
| 19:12.26 | oznt | themill, yep it's working :-) |
| 19:12.39 | jordanm | atula: likely because it is mandated by the FHS |
| 19:12.42 | oznt | i wonder why the german mirrors don't have that kernel :-/ |
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| 19:12.55 | jordanm | atula: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#s9.1 |
| 19:12.59 | TMM | Mattz0r, I think it can also work with others, but why bother with shoutcast if icecast is one apt-get install away? :) |
| 19:13.17 | Mattz0r | cause shoutcast has been there for a long time :P |
| 19:13.22 | Mattz0r | why change what isnt broken |
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| 19:13.40 | atula | jordanm: thank you. |
| 19:14.04 | TMM | Mattz0r, well, if you use icecast from the repositories you would get automatic security updates for instance |
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| 19:14.36 | Mattz0r | I'm not a fan of icecast tbh |
| 19:14.43 | themill | oznt: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/ certainly does. |
| 19:14.58 | Mattz0r | and if i want to stream to someone elses server, i have to accomodate for them :P |
| 19:15.00 | TMM | Mattz0r, what's wrong with it? |
| 19:15.17 | Mattz0r | its harder to code my radio bots to get the stats, i've always found |
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| 19:15.53 | TMM | Mattz0r, harder? you can get an XML file with the stats, couldn't be easier I'd say :) |
| 19:15.56 | Mattz0r | it'd be a lot more work to change stream server software, than it would be to find a working linux based broadcast software, that works |
| 19:16.13 | Mattz0r | but meh, it keeps me quiet :P |
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| 19:18.05 | oznt | themill, i get linux-headers-2.6.36-rc5-686 : Depends: linux-kbuild-2.6.36 but it is not installable |
| 19:18.05 | oznt | E: Broken packages |
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| 19:18.34 | themill | oznt: /msg dpkg experimental |
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| 19:18.47 | nsadmin | Mattz0r: wouldn't finding linux-based software also require change stream software? |
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| 19:26.57 | unkmar | I installed debian while the drive was connected as /dev/sde the system isn't using UUID to boot so.. It wasn't happy. I pointed /dev/sde1 to /dev/sde1 and fixed /etc/fstab. |
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| 19:27.32 | unkmar | However, I have installed a new kernel and now I'm stuck with. You must boot kernel first regardless of which of the 2 kernels I pick. |
| 19:28.23 | jordanm | I would try explaining that problem again... |
| 19:28.26 | unkmar | I have inspected /boot/grub/grub.cfg and it points to /dev/sda1. However, My run of update-grub2 reveals the templates, wherever they are, Still point to /dev/sde |
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| 19:29.45 | unkmar | It took a few hours to install so I am proned NOT to install again. I'd rather repair the install. |
| 19:30.00 | rolandpish | what is the "aptitude" equivalent for the command apt-get autoremove? |
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| 19:30.59 | stew | rolandpish: it should happen automatically with aptitude. for instance, just "aptitude install" should trigger it |
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| 19:32.37 | rolandpish | stew, thanks. So if I execute aptitude purge <package> it will remove automatically the unneeded dependencies for <package>? |
| 19:33.01 | stew | rolandpish: yes |
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| 19:33.38 | rolandpish | stew: thanks! |
| 19:35.49 | rolandpish | stew, oops, executing: aptitude purge torcs shows me that it will remove all my xfce* packages, humm, am I doing something wrong? |
| 19:36.53 | stew | needs to go, can someone please explain markauto/unmarkauto to rolandpish to help him remove torcs but not all of xfce! :) |
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| 19:37.30 | stew | rolandpish: (and no, you aren't doing anything wrong, but you have to explain to aptitude how this is going to work) |
| 19:37.34 | jordanm | rolandpish: do you want to keep all xfce packages? |
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| 19:37.50 | rolandpish | stew, thanks! |
| 19:38.14 | rolandpish | jordanm, well, funny if I execute aptitude remove torcs it will only remove torcs related packages and not all xfce! |
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| 19:38.41 | rolandpish | jordanm, but: aptitude purge torcs tries to remove all xfce, hummm weird. |
| 19:38.52 | jordanm | rolandpish: aptitude unmarkauto '~i~nxfce4-.*' <- that will make all xfce4 packages as manually installed |
| 19:39.02 | jordanm | then you can safely remove torcs |
| 19:39.08 | jhutchins_lt | unkmar: Is your fstab good? |
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| 19:39.47 | rolandpish | jordanm, thanks! I'll try that. By the way, what is the difference between "remove" and "purge" apart from purging configuration files? |
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| 19:40.21 | jordanm | rolandpish: that is the only difference |
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| 19:41.34 | rolandpish | jordanm, ok, so that's weird that: aptitude purge torcs tries to remove all xfce* while aptitude remove torcs only tries to remove torcs and its related packages |
| 19:41.50 | rolandpish | jordanm, thanks for your help! |
| 19:42.28 | sphenxes | would someone tell me please how to import playlist from amarok (lenny) to amarok (squeeze)? I have a long playlist and podcast which i like to tranfer. |
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| 19:42.53 | jordanm | rolandpish: are you running testing? |
| 19:43.12 | rolandpish | jordanm, yes, a squeeze box. |
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| 19:43.24 | jordanm | sphenxes: I recall seeing flame threads about those not being transferable. I would check with #kde |
| 19:43.49 | sphenxes | jordanm, thanks |
| 19:43.52 | jordanm | rolandpish: I believe that current version of apt has a bug related to automatically installed packages. the fix should migrate soon |
| 19:44.02 | Ogmios | Momma's got a squeeze box that she wears on her chest and when daddy's home she don't get no rest. |
| 19:44.45 | rolandpish | jornam, oh oh ok, it all makes sense now. So no problem at all and I'll try your suggestion above. Thanks again |
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| 19:49.36 | abrotman | Ogmios: i think you failed on recollection of lyrics .. close though |
| 19:50.08 | Ogmios | yeah, I am getting old :( |
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| 19:54.47 | mroe | anyone remember the package name that will show me specifics about the ram installed on the system? I though it was memdecode or something like it |
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| 19:55.11 | prism | good day folks there is a command that alloows you to strip everything from debian apart from crucial packages |
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| 19:55.26 | prism | basically the same as pkg_delete -a would do for freebsd |
| 19:55.28 | mroe | debfoster |
| 19:55.34 | mroe | is what I would use |
| 19:55.37 | prism | just leave the bare essentials for the system, any idea what it is |
| 19:55.46 | prism | mroe, there was just a dpkg or aptitude command |
| 19:55.51 | prism | but what does debfoster do |
| 19:55.55 | SteveC | Read and talked to dpkg but just can't figure out how to get apt-get working again on etch? too scared to upgrade to squeeze or lenny! |
| 19:56.02 | mroe | but I think aptitude replaced it |
| 19:58.13 | malchias | where is the config file for phpmyadmin in debian? I looked in /etc/phpmyadmin/config.inc.php but it's all commented out except for $i=1; $i++; |
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| 19:58.55 | malchias | having trouble with #1045 Access denied for root@localhost and don't know what to troubleshoot :( |
| 19:59.50 | jordanm | malchias: did you check out /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin/README.Debian? |
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| 19:59.55 | alanp | remco? |
| 20:00.00 | SteveC | can anyone tell me what should be in my sources.list? |
| 20:00.08 | SteveC | (etch) |
| 20:00.23 | alanp | is there a dev channel? |
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| 20:00.25 | SteveC | or is it now totally unsupported with no updates at all? |
| 20:00.25 | jordanm | SteveC: see /topic |
| 20:00.31 | jordanm | alanp: tons of them |
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| 20:00.42 | SteveC | jordanm: I have, and put that line in my sources but not getting any updates still.. |
| 20:00.44 | malchias | jordanm: no but will, ty |
| 20:00.54 | alanp | i'm looking for remco who maintains libsmi2-dev |
| 20:01.07 | alanp | wondering if he hangs around |
| 20:01.32 | jordanm | alanp: you should send him an email |
| 20:01.38 | alanp | ok |
| 20:02.16 | prism | How can I remove all packages leaving me with a minimal installation |
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| 20:02.45 | SteveC | install openbsd? |
| 20:02.49 | jordanm | !uninstall everything |
| 20:02.49 | dpkg | To uninstall just about every package from your machine except the ones in the "standard" install, try something like: "aptitude purge ~i ~pstandard+ ~prequired+ ~pimportant+". Add additional packages with a + or : after them to the end to stop them being removed. Look *carefully* at what aptitude is planning to do to make sure you agree. Ask me about <aptitude docs>. |
| 20:03.17 | jordanm | SteveC: that is not helpful |
| 20:03.27 | prism | ta jordanm |
| 20:03.31 | jhutchins | SteveC: Did you follow the etch->lenny factoid? |
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| 20:04.11 | SteveC | jhutchins: yeah, and put the two lines for the sources.list, but I don't recieve any updates at all...? |
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| 20:04.31 | SteveC | I assume they're not frozen? it's even killed off my volatile updates for anti-spam etc... |
| 20:04.33 | jordanm | SteveC: there haven't been any updates in 8mos or so, when was the last time you updated? |
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| 20:04.41 | malchias | jordanm: that didn't help but uninstall, reinstall did |
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| 20:04.44 | jordanm | yep, that is right |
| 20:04.56 | SteveC | jordanm: nothing at al, totally frozen now? hum, not even that rather dodgy kernel that needs to be patched...? |
| 20:05.35 | jordanm | SteveC: support ended early this year |
| 20:05.43 | jordanm | that includes security support and everything |
| 20:05.54 | SteveC | hurm.... :( |
| 20:05.57 | jhutchins | SteveC: Assuming you did an aptitude update after adding that, I would guess that your system is allready up-to-date as of February. |
| 20:06.02 | jordanm | unless you have a legacy application not attached to the internet, you need to upgrade |
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| 20:06.53 | jhutchins | SteveC: So now on to the lenny step. |
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| 20:07.32 | jordanm | preferably, on a clone of the system first\ |
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| 20:09.30 | jhutchins | I just love having these dialogs with people. |
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| 20:14.02 | unkmar | jhutchins: I will check my fstab again in a moment. |
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| 20:15.40 | rgr | gotta love debian testing devs at times. my machine(s) almost hosed a few days ago with dependency hell. Did an update today and "all just worked". Sometimes patience is a virtue ... |
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| 20:16.03 | tux0 | any dash people here? |
| 20:17.44 | unkmar | jhutchins: fstab is fine. |
| 20:18.07 | Fyrespray | tlop9vod |
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| 20:18.33 | SteveC | jhutchins / jordanm: indeed - I'm thinking I'd prefer to put my time into moving all services off to anohter server instead and bin the metal it's on, it's rather old and not very cheap either :( |
| 20:18.44 | jhutchins_lt | sphenxes: Ctrl-S (Playlist/Save Playlist As), then import it. |
| 20:18.47 | robert83a2 | hello , are there any "historical" mirrors for debian 3.1 ? (3.x) (kinda like Fedora Core, Red Hat ) |
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| 20:18.58 | jhutchins_lt | !archives |
| 20:18.59 | dpkg | archive is probably a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For the package archive, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 20:18.59 | robert83a2 | I would like to apt-get install stuff |
| 20:19.08 | mroe | anyone remember the package name that will show me specifics about the ram installed on the system? I though it was memdecode or something like it |
| 20:19.20 | sphenxes | jhutchins_lt, thanks |
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| 20:19.24 | KB1JWQ | robert83a2: That hit EOL a while ago. |
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| 20:19.30 | jhutchins_lt | lshardware? |
| 20:19.42 | Ogmios | mroe: Memtest86+? |
| 20:19.47 | rgr | cat /proc/meminfo ? |
| 20:19.49 | int_80h | free? |
| 20:19.49 | LV-426 | mroe, dmidecode |
| 20:19.50 | int_80h | lol |
| 20:19.56 | mroe | LV-426, that's it, thanks |
| 20:20.20 | Ogmios | cat /proc/meminfo is easier |
| 20:20.32 | Ogmios | as suggested by rgr |
| 20:20.54 | mroe | Ogmios, not the same info |
| 20:21.00 | robert83a2 | KB1JWQ : I know, so the files sperately *.deb files are not available ? only cd images? |
| 20:21.09 | Ogmios | mroe: what is this like vendor info? |
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| 20:21.35 | ilia_ | Information security question: im currently connected to some unknown neighbours wireless router and need to use the browser for some sensitive bank information. Would it be secure enough to connect through my university VPN, although still through this unknown wireless router? |
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| 20:22.25 | iman | how can i see DAT file in debian ? |
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| 20:22.40 | jordanm | iman: with a hex editor? |
| 20:22.44 | Ogmios | ilia_: are you going to pay your internet bill? |
| 20:22.55 | iman | jordanm, it's movie file |
| 20:23.04 | ilia_ | Ogmios: what u mean? |
| 20:23.06 | jordanm | ilia_: how is this question debian related? |
| 20:23.20 | ilia_ | jordanm: well im using debian :p |
| 20:23.22 | jordanm | iman: VLC will play most everything |
| 20:23.28 | ilia_ | jordanm: else dunno which channel |
| 20:23.40 | iman | jordanm, File reading failed: |
| 20:23.41 | iman | VLC could not read the file. |
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| 20:23.50 | jordanm | ilia_: I would have gone with #security, but they would have kicked you on the first sentence |
| 20:23.53 | mroe | Ogmios, huh? I was looking for how many banks, how many were full and what speed/generation memory ws in the system. /proc/meminfo doesn't show that, I don't think |
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| 20:24.19 | Ogmios | mroe: no, you are correct |
| 20:24.36 | Bushmills | iman: do file yourfile.DAT for getting told what kind of file that is |
| 20:24.36 | Ogmios | mroe: I was just wondering what other infor you wanted |
| 20:25.04 | mroe | sometimes it is easier than actually opening up the machine to look |
| 20:25.12 | rgr | A linux equiv of sysoft sandra would be so nice. |
| 20:25.23 | jordanm | mroe: lshw will provide that information |
| 20:25.25 | iman | Bushmills, AVSEQ01.DAT: ERROR: cannot read `AVSEQ01.DAT' (Input/output error) |
| 20:25.30 | robert83a2 | guys : http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/debian/dists/Debian-3.1/main/ this link |
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| 20:25.37 | robert83a2 | this actualy would work ? with apt-get ? |
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| 20:25.44 | robert83a2 | on a ancient debian 3.1 ? |
| 20:26.01 | jhutchins_lt | mroe: lshw gives you some of the info you want. |
| 20:26.51 | jhutchins_lt | Interesting: Invalid entry length (0). DMI table is broken! Stop. |
| 20:27.04 | Bushmills | iman: broken file. you can't use it without fixing it |
| 20:27.21 | iman | Bushmills, it's worked in media playaer |
| 20:27.45 | jhutchins_lt | robert83a2: I think youre best bet is to try it yourself. There aren't too many people here who would have had opportunity to test it. |
| 20:27.59 | Bushmills | iman: are you in windows now? |
| 20:28.15 | robert83a2 | thankyou |
| 20:28.25 | iman | Bushmills, no, i only have debian, but in other system i check it in windows |
| 20:28.42 | Bushmills | did windows play that file from your linux partition? |
| 20:28.57 | iman | Bushmills, it's in CD |
| 20:29.24 | eTo_PL | if i wil install debian for i386 architecture on pc with amd64 cpu (athlon64) something serious can happen? cuz i'm kind of noob if it goes to linux +from this what i can see, 64bit debian requires quite a few extra steps to make 32bit software to work.. |
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| 20:30.06 | Bushmills | is that a DRM protected DVD? |
| 20:30.21 | Ogmios | eTo_PL: all amd 64 chips are backwards compatable |
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| 20:30.37 | iman | Bushmills, i dont know |
| 20:30.42 | Ogmios | eTo_PL: so no, 32-bit works fine |
| 20:31.02 | jhutchins_lt | I/O error suggests the file may not be readable. |
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| 20:31.14 | tux0 | jhutchins_lt: using a laptop? |
| 20:31.19 | Trewas | iman: it's a VCD, they cannot be mounted like normal CDs because they do some tricks to avoid error correction and fit extra data |
| 20:31.27 | jhutchins_lt | tux0: Um, yes, I am. |
| 20:31.49 | iman | Trewas, yes it's VCD, how can i fixed it? |
| 20:31.50 | tux0 | you got that error using dmidecode? |
| 20:32.16 | eTo_PL | Ogmios: good, so i think i will go for 32bit for now |
| 20:32.19 | jhutchins_lt | tux0: Oh, yes, errror running dmidecode on a laptop. |
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| 20:32.50 | tux0 | I've heard laptop bios/acpi stuff is very poorly implemented a lot of times and buggy maybe this is why :) |
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| 20:33.28 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah, this is fairly old and that may well be it. |
| 20:33.31 | tux0 | lots of issues when developing support for acpi not sure if the two are related though |
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| 20:33.54 | eTo_PL | Ogmios: btw if i will be recompiling kernel, i need to choose i386 in cpu section of menuconfig to stay in 32bit? |
| 20:34.34 | Ogmios | eTo_PL: any x86 option should work |
| 20:34.38 | Ogmios | 3-6 |
| 20:34.51 | eTo_PL | ok, thx |
| 20:34.53 | Trewas | iman: vcdrip can extract the files (in package vcdimager I think), or for example mplayer can play it with mplayer /dev/whatever |
| 20:35.23 | jhutchins_lt | http://www.fileinfo.com/extension/DAT |
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| 20:35.40 | jhutchins_lt | Suggests VLC. |
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| 20:39.55 | iman | Trewas, thank you, but not worked |
| 20:40.49 | unkmar | http://pastebin.com/jrcb3Ass |
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| 20:41.10 | Gajdzik | hello |
| 20:41.13 | Gajdzik | all |
| 20:41.14 | Ogmios | hi |
| 20:41.24 | Gajdzik | .Ogmios. hi |
| 20:41.25 | tux0 | hello |
| 20:41.34 | Ogmios | do you have a squeeze box? |
| 20:41.34 | BasilBot | Mama's got a squeeze box she wears on her chest and when Daddy comes home he never gets no rest. |
| 20:41.38 | unkmar | Hello John boy. |
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| 20:44.52 | unkmar | That's okay, My shrink also thinks I can't be helped. |
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| 20:45.28 | unkmar | I'll just waste another few hours installing rather than a special few minutes fixing. |
| 20:46.31 | unkmar | btw, multiple partitions complicate attempts to repair a broken system. Not simplify. |
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| 20:48.25 | unkmar | oh, and I only choose YES for start PC card services because it will nag me 2 or 3 times if I select NO. |
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| 20:48.48 | unkmar | I choose no becuase I don't have a laptop !!! |
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| 20:49.18 | sivang | hi all |
| 20:49.55 | sivang | I configured USB networking between my PC and another device, I added the IP of the usb interface in the debian machine as the route for the other device's usb interface |
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| 20:50.00 | sivang | and forwarding works well |
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| 20:50.14 | sivang | but I checked sysctl for v4/v6 forwarding and they are both disabled |
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| 20:50.21 | sivang | any idea why this is working nonetheless? |
| 20:50.38 | sivang | recalls that setting ipv4_forwarding was neccessary for this to work before. |
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| 20:56.02 | unkmar | I started over. Good bye. |
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| 20:56.15 | iman | can i update kernel of debian 5 ? |
| 20:56.27 | jordanm | iman: depends on the need |
| 20:56.35 | jordanm | iman: are you missing some hardware support? |
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| 20:57.16 | iman | jordanm, no, i want to learn this, how can i start? |
| 20:57.34 | iman | jordanm, from where can i found as whole debian version? |
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| 20:59.32 | jordanm | iman: I don't understand what you are asking |
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| 20:59.52 | iman | jordanm, first i want to know my full debian version |
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| 20:59.58 | jordanm | iman: unless you need support for newer hardware, there is no reason to install a different kernel. |
| 21:00.02 | jordanm | iman: ah, I see |
| 21:00.03 | jordanm | !version |
| 21:00.04 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r, or cat /proc/version. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc) and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command; check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
| 21:00.20 | ZitZ | or uname -a |
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| 21:01.31 | iman | jordanm, squeeze/sid it's debian version and it's 2.6.32-5-amd64 kernel version |
| 21:01.34 | iman | jordanm, yes? |
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| 21:03.51 | nsadmin | iman: you must know whether you're running squeeze or sid |
| 21:04.17 | nsadmin | actually that looks like the squeeze kernel |
| 21:04.28 | ZitZ | yeah, it is |
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| 21:04.32 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 21:04.33 | ZitZ | is think sid has 2.6.35 |
| 21:04.43 | lenswipe | anyone know how i can play DVDs from outside my reigon? |
| 21:05.05 | iman | nsadmin, so how can i update 2.6.32 to 2.6.35 |
| 21:05.12 | nsadmin | from outside your religion?? |
| 21:05.24 | lenswipe | nsadmin, yep |
| 21:05.24 | ZitZ | lol |
| 21:05.47 | ZitZ | isn't mplayer region agnostic by default |
| 21:05.49 | lenswipe | nsadmin, im reigon 2 and i want to play reigon 2 dvds |
| 21:05.49 | nsadmin | you would need the bhudda player |
| 21:05.52 | lenswipe | ZitZ, is it? |
| 21:05.57 | lenswipe | nsadmin, okay, is that in the repos? |
| 21:06.06 | jhutchins_lt | I thought region coding was a hardware-based thing? |
| 21:06.08 | nsadmin | kidding :P |
| 21:06.27 | ZitZ | yeah, aren't like all computer dvd drives region agnostic |
| 21:06.29 | amphi | lenswipe: if the drive is rpc2, there's not much you can do, other than reflash it with rpc1 fw if such has been made |
| 21:06.55 | lenswipe | amphi, how am i sposed to know if its rpc2? |
| 21:07.02 | lenswipe | ZitZ, no |
| 21:07.08 | lenswipe | nsadmin, kk |
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| 21:07.14 | ZitZ | i don't know i haven't bought a new one in a while |
| 21:07.23 | amphi | lenswipe: there is a utility called regionset which allows to set the region, but not override the hw/fw limit on the number of changes |
| 21:07.23 | ZitZ | nor do I have dvds from outside NA |
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| 21:07.33 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt, you can get software for windows to circumnavigate it |
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| 21:07.44 | Ogmios | lenswipe: ask it a question, make note of the language that the drive responds with. |
| 21:07.56 | amphi | lenswipe: rpc2 cannot be circumvented by software, as far as I know |
| 21:08.04 | lenswipe | amphi, right |
| 21:08.12 | amphi | it's enforced in the firmware of the drive |
| 21:08.33 | amphi | rpc1 is a non-issue WRT mplayer and friends |
| 21:08.43 | lenswipe | amphi, what would happen if i were to copy the entire DVD to an ISO, would i be able to manipulate it any more? |
| 21:09.06 | WillieNL | Good evening, is there an easy way to disable fsck onboot ? |
| 21:09.09 | tomodachi | lenswipe: i think the region protection would prevent it |
| 21:09.15 | amphi | lenswipe: I doubt vobcopy will work |
| 21:09.32 | WillieNL | i have some cmos/date issues and still working on the kernel each reboot is it forcing to run fsck :S |
| 21:09.34 | tomodachi | WillieNL: you can tune how often fschk should roun with tune2fs i believe |
| 21:09.46 | tomodachi | run |
| 21:09.52 | amphi | lenswipe: you could try, but I expect either the image will be useless, or you'll get read 'errors' |
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| 21:10.01 | lenswipe | amphi, is ee |
| 21:10.04 | lenswipe | see* |
| 21:10.40 | amphi | lenswipe: what region is the drive set to now? you can use regionset to display that if you don't know |
| 21:10.56 | WillieNL | tomodachi: it runs every time i boot the machine thats like once in 45 minutes ... if it did quit running fsck on an 160gb disk in pio mode i was more happy to focus on the kernel issues |
| 21:11.44 | lenswipe | amphi, 2 |
| 21:11.51 | WillieNL | tomodachi: also the hwclock data is up2date |
| 21:12.18 | amphi | lenswipe: you could look for an ameliorated firmware for your drive at http://forum.rpc1.org/portal.php |
| 21:12.50 | amphi | lenswipe: I peacefully liberated two dvd drives with firmware I found there |
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| 21:13.39 | amphi | lenswipe: http://tdb.rpc1.org/ also |
| 21:14.04 | lenswipe | ty |
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| 21:16.45 | amphi | lenswipe: good luck |
| 21:16.51 | lenswipe | amphi, ty |
| 21:17.19 | fas3r | i need to list 2 type of file in a folder ... can i do it with ls ? or i need to use ls then a grep ? |
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| 21:23.20 | jhutchins_lt | fas3r: Question unclear, please provide an example. |
| 21:24.06 | rysiek|pl | fas3r: maybe: ls *.png *.jpg |
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| 21:25.50 | linux_op | hi |
| 21:25.57 | rysiek|pl | ho |
| 21:26.02 | linux_op | when is debian with kde 4.5 gonna be stable?. |
| 21:26.11 | linux_op | is it even ok to use?. |
| 21:26.16 | rysiek|pl | when it's ready. |
| 21:26.24 | linux_op | will it crash a lot if I use it?. |
| 21:26.51 | rysiek|pl | It doesn't crash on me at all |
| 21:27.06 | linux_op | rysiek|p: oww you use it?. |
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| 21:27.27 | fas3r | jhujhiti well like rysiek|pl do |
| 21:27.28 | rysiek|pl | yeah, on my laptop, but not all the time (still 90% of my stuff is on kubuntu there) |
| 21:27.48 | linux_op | I don't wana do kubuntu |
| 21:27.54 | linux_op | cause they pack it with all kinds of crap |
| 21:28.02 | rysiek|pl | linux_op: I am not suggesting you it |
| 21:28.07 | linux_op | but |
| 21:28.15 | rysiek|pl | linux_op: merely saying I'm not using my debian all the time. |
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| 21:28.26 | linux_op | your tellking me that debian is just fine with kde4.5?. |
| 21:28.28 | rysiek|pl | linux_op: but not because it's not stable enough |
| 21:28.29 | linux_op | *telling |
| 21:28.40 | rysiek|pl | linux_op: yup. debian sqeeze works AOK for me |
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| 21:28.54 | rysiek|pl | an yes I have kde sc 4.5 on it |
| 21:28.56 | linux_op | are there logs about the unstability for the kde package?. |
| 21:28.56 | rysiek|pl | *and |
| 21:29.07 | linux_op | just want to know whats in the works of making it stable |
| 21:29.07 | rysiek|pl | linux_op: look in the bugzilla? |
| 21:29.23 | linux_op | debian's bugzilla right?. |
| 21:29.36 | simonrvn | !bts |
| 21:29.36 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 21:29.50 | simonrvn | debian doesn't have a 'bugzilla' |
| 21:29.56 | linux_op | I wonder if the bugs are worked on daily |
| 21:30.09 | rysiek|pl | linux_op: nope. only at full moon. -_-' |
| 21:30.18 | rysiek|pl | simonrvn: yeah, sorry. but he got the idea ;) |
| 21:30.28 | linux_op | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?package=kde4.5 |
| 21:30.36 | linux_op | "Package not found" |
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| 21:32.06 | rysiek|pl | humm, I think kde 4.5 is in the backports repo |
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| 21:33.21 | ElDeablo | Boa noite |
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| 21:34.29 | linux_op | are the bugs really rarely worked on?. |
| 21:34.47 | rysiek|pl | my "full moon" remark was irony |
| 21:35.12 | linux_op | oww thank god |
| 21:35.13 | rysiek|pl | bugs are being worked on as time allows, as they're being worked on by volunteers |
| 21:35.22 | linux_op | yea I understand that |
| 21:35.34 | linux_op | but isn't it kde's job to make it work for distros?. |
| 21:35.53 | rysiek|pl | but debian is a huge and high-profile project, with lots of volunteers (still, nice to have more) |
| 21:36.13 | rysiek|pl | linux_op: nope. kde's job is to make kde work; debian's job is to make kde work nicely in debian |
| 21:36.33 | linux_op | rysiek|pl: is there a count somewere of the voluntee devs?. |
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| 21:37.40 | rysiek|pl | linux_op: actually, I have no idea |
| 21:38.01 | rysiek|pl | and it depends on which volunteers you mean, and how you count them |
| 21:38.22 | linux_op | maybe the forum will give me a count of active members |
| 21:38.33 | themill | !dstats |
| 21:39.05 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 30121 packages, 2161 maintainers, 97347 MB installed size, 36366 MB compressed size. |
| 21:39.08 | linux_op | http://forums.debian.net/ |
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| 21:39.20 | linux_op | not too much but the fact that there are 54 users on is a big deal |
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| 21:41.47 | Ogmios | #bofh |
| 21:42.36 | linux_op | well debian should make sure that kde works good |
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| 21:44.41 | jordanm | ah, and they never care that they can traige and submit patches themselves |
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| 21:49.33 | Hertsto | hey guys I have an i5 intel..should I just use amd64 iso? |
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| 21:50.09 | kerio | hi all |
| 21:50.23 | kerio | what's the best way to tell debian to wait for a particular device on boot time? |
| 21:50.35 | jordanm | Hertsto: amd64 works, but you may not want it for a desktop system, specifically because of the lame adobe flash player |
| 21:50.42 | Hertsto | kerio what device? |
| 21:50.44 | kerio | it's a external usb hd, and i've noticed that sometimes the kernel mounts from /etc/fstab before detecting it |
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| 21:50.58 | kerio | thus failing to mount it, and making transmission-daemon go crazy |
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| 21:51.00 | jordanm | kerio: does it actually take time to spin up? |
| 21:51.03 | Hertsto | jordanm: screw flash...html5 works eh, lol |
| 21:51.11 | kerio | jordanm: what do you mean? |
| 21:51.15 | jordanm | Hertsto: then amd64 is fine |
| 21:51.19 | Hertsto | kerio is it your root device? |
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| 21:51.24 | Hertsto | rootwait=10 |
| 21:51.30 | kerio | Hertsto: it's not, so rootwait won't work |
| 21:51.31 | Hertsto | or just rootwait |
| 21:51.39 | sweetpi | they released a new amd64 flash player.. havent tried it though |
| 21:51.39 | jordanm | kerio: some USB drives stop spinning and go into a power saving mode when not in use. when its trying to mount it, is the disk fully spinning? |
| 21:51.45 | Hertsto | jordanm: thanks |
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| 21:52.07 | jordanm | yeah, I haven't tried it either, but not to trusting of adobe to not pull it again |
| 21:52.09 | kerio | jordanm: i think not |
| 21:52.28 | kerio | but it was rebooted, it wasn't due to a powercycle |
| 21:52.33 | Hertsto | thanks guys, gonna go try it |
| 21:52.42 | kerio | (so the hdd was still powered on and probably spun down) |
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| 21:53.18 | kerio | can i just add rootdelay=something to make it forcibly wait for it? |
| 21:53.26 | kerio | even if it's not the root? |
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| 21:54.54 | jordanm | uses esata because of issues such as that |
| 21:55.24 | kerio | alas, the sheevaplug with esata wasn't out yet when i bought it |
| 21:55.46 | kerio | using rootdelay *would* work, right? |
| 21:55.49 | kerio | it would just be... ugly |
| 21:55.58 | sweetpi | is lazy and powercycles the usb device before boot :) |
| 21:56.23 | kerio | sweetpi: to be fair it's what should happen, unless i reboot it manually |
| 21:56.32 | kerio | i guess i can just halt and powercycle everything |
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| 21:57.58 | kerio | right? |
| 21:58.04 | jordanm | kerio: don't those come with a debian-based distro, and not debian itself? |
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| 21:59.00 | kerio | jordanm: ubuntu 9.04 |
| 21:59.08 | jordanm | !ubuntu |
| 21:59.08 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 21:59.09 | homie | anyone here formatted a 256gb usb disk with fat32, which would also get recognized on xp ? |
| 21:59.14 | kerio | jordanm: i'm running debian |
| 21:59.16 | kerio | i swear |
| 21:59.35 | sweetpi | kerio: "udevadm settle" might help |
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| 21:59.52 | jordanm | kerio: I believe there is actually a sheevaplug related channel on freenode, could be helpful |
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| 22:00.06 | simonrvn | ,versions rootdelay |
| 22:00.08 | homie | whatever i do, using even parted does not help, formatting disk disk here.... |
| 22:00.08 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'rootdelay' was found in i386. |
| 22:00.20 | kerio | jordanm: asked there, the proposed solution was to mount on /etc/rc.local |
| 22:00.24 | homie | err usb disk i mean |
| 22:00.43 | jordanm | kerio: I was thinking something like that as well |
| 22:00.50 | kerio | jordanm: that's even worse |
| 22:00.55 | kerio | sweetpi: that's nice |
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| 22:01.04 | kerio | why doesn't init do that by default? |
| 22:01.08 | jordanm | kerio: worse than "sleep 5" in mountall.sh? |
| 22:01.39 | sweetpi | kerio: I think it does, but the default timeout must not be long enough |
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| 22:02.19 | kerio | hmm, it says it's 180 seconds |
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| 22:02.26 | kerio | it definetely didn't wait 180 seconds during boot |
| 22:03.02 | Kyoku | can someone tell me why i might use lenny 5 rather than ubuntu 10.04 for a web server? is there any major difference? |
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| 22:03.12 | kerio | jordanm: so i might as well set rootdelay, so the drive has time to spin up |
| 22:03.13 | sweetpi | kerio: thats the max number of seconds to wait, it must be another issue |
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| 22:04.22 | tomodachi | Kyoku: because you prefer a bigger community and a more stable distribution |
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| 22:05.22 | jordanm | !tell Kyoku about why debian |
| 22:05.23 | jhutchins_lt | Kyoku: Debian has a lot more people using it for servers so the server-specific code gets a lot more attention. Ubuntu offers server packages, but they are much more desktop focused. |
| 22:05.45 | jhutchins_lt | Kyoku: Debian stable is also just that - stable. Once you get the details set up correctly it just works. |
| 22:05.49 | Kyoku | i like stability, i am having a lot of problems trying to get apache mpm fcgid working, might try on debian then |
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| 22:06.21 | jordanm | "getting it working" would be configuration, not really an indication of stability but perhaps ease of use |
| 22:06.28 | jordanm | unless its a bug preventing it.... |
| 22:07.08 | rysiek|pl | Kyoku: I use (k)ubuntu on desktops/laptops/etc, and debian on servers; ubuntu does too much in their own way for it to be viable for mys ervers |
| 22:07.33 | Kyoku | debian it is, thanks for advice |
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| 22:08.11 | jhutchins_lt | Kyoku: Besides, then you'll be one of us cool, professional-looking guys. |
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| 22:08.16 | rysiek|pl | jhutchins_lt: yeah, I still hav an Etch to upgrade -_-' working beautifully for years now. |
| 22:08.26 | kerio | so don't upgrade it |
| 22:09.03 | rysiek|pl | kerio: uhm, security upgrades ended; I'm quite big on that one ;) |
| 22:09.12 | kerio | oh, then definetely upgrade it |
| 22:09.17 | themill | kerio: etch security support ended 7 months ago. It's not a great place to be. |
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| 22:09.26 | kerio | how old is etch? |
| 22:09.29 | kerio | two major versions? |
| 22:09.31 | themill | !etch |
| 22:09.31 | dpkg | Etch is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. Etch users should upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Removed from the mirrors (2010-06-20); ask me about <etch sources.list>. For old Etch ISOs, ask me about <etch iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100121 |
| 22:09.51 | kerio | almost two major versions |
| 22:09.55 | rysiek|pl | kerio: two major versions when squeeze gets to be stable |
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| 22:10.53 | Kyoku | jhutchins_lt trust me, if i can get apache mpm fcgid working on debian i will go get a t-shirt printed saying i'm a pro |
| 22:10.57 | kerio | anyway, i think the best solution to my problem is to set rootdelay, isn't it |
| 22:11.11 | rysiek|pl | ah well. I'm going to obsolete this particular machine anyway (Celeron 333MHz? 192MiB RAM? in 2010? come on...), so I'll prolly just install Squeeze from scratch when it comes out |
| 22:11.18 | kerio | 10 seconds of delay on boot time is not a problem |
| 22:11.23 | homie | wtf, when i create a partition with qtparted it is not recognized with cfdisk ??? |
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| 22:11.34 | sweetpi | kerio: sounds like an easy fix/hack |
| 22:11.59 | homie | what is a critical-error ped_disk_new ??? |
| 22:12.01 | kerio | well, it's something that will rarely happen anyway |
| 22:12.29 | kerio | if i have a blackout the usb disk will powercycle too |
| 22:13.29 | kerio | well, thanks for your help guys |
| 22:13.49 | jordanm | did you already test it? |
| 22:14.02 | kerio | jordanm: no, will do that tomorrow |
| 22:14.07 | kerio | it's past midnight, and i'm sleepy |
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| 22:14.28 | _Techie_ | what version of php5 is in apt? |
| 22:14.32 | jhutchins_lt | Many, many stupid things have been done too late at night. |
| 22:14.39 | sweetpi | , versions php5 |
| 22:14.42 | judd | Package php5 on i386 -- etch: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch16; etch-security: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch16; lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny9; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny9; sid: 5.3.2-1; sid: 5.3.2-2; squeeze: 5.3.2-2; experimental: 5.3.3-1 |
| 22:14.43 | jordanm | !tell _Techie_ about pdo |
| 22:14.48 | kerio | i hope i don't ssh to it and type sudo shutdown -r now in my sleep |
| 22:16.00 | sweetpi | never mess around in a chroot while tired :( |
| 22:16.25 | jhutchins_lt | mollyguard |
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| 22:17.59 | cusco | hi... |
| 22:18.25 | cusco | using network-manager to connect to a PTP vpn, seems easy... works at my girlfriends place, but not at my place... |
| 22:18.38 | cusco | here is syslog paste: http://paste.debian.net/92097/ |
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| 22:18.41 | cusco | can someone help me? |
| 22:18.47 | rysiek|pl | sweetpi: never mess around with VMs, VM disks on /dev/loopX and sudo mkfs... |
| 22:19.11 | sweetpi | fail |
| 22:19.37 | rysiek|pl | sweetpi: but I gotta tell you, the fireworks I got at the ssh session I had open with the VM in question... exquisite! |
| 22:19.51 | kerio | gee, the worst i did was a reboot locally instead of remotely |
| 22:20.16 | rysiek|pl | 's arse has been saved by backups. gee do we looove backups! |
| 22:20.26 | sweetpi | hehe, yeah mine wasnt that bad.. I did "<evil_command> /var", then realized I want in the chroot |
| 22:20.40 | sweetpi | s/want/wasnt/ |
| 22:20.52 | rysiek|pl | ouch |
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| 22:21.17 | cusco | sweetpi: that actually happened to me |
| 22:21.22 | cusco | I lost all the MYSQL BD |
| 22:21.32 | sweetpi | luckily backup ran 1 hour before that |
| 22:21.37 | rysiek|pl | sweetpi: well, the "best" part of my little fsckup was that it was, you know, the last thing I was doing at 1:30AM before going to ebd |
| 22:21.38 | cusco | I was setting up a replication server tho, so I was lucky |
| 22:22.34 | rysiek|pl | sweetpi: so instead of sleeping in the next 20 or so minutes, I had 3 hrs of restoring from a backup, testing, verifying, and re-plugging all the bolts and pieces. |
| 22:23.11 | rysiek|pl | the morning sun was beautiful. I think I took a day off the following day ;) |
| 22:23.18 | sweetpi | hehe |
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| 22:23.32 | cusco | I could really use some help with pppd |
| 22:23.40 | rysiek|pl | ah, yeah, and the adrenaline rush. never felt anything like that |
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| 22:23.48 | cusco | I can't figure why it doesn't stay connected |
| 22:23.49 | rysiek|pl | cusco: gimme a sec, lookin on the syslog |
| 22:23.55 | cusco | thanks |
| 22:23.55 | cusco | :D |
| 22:24.25 | sweetpi | sorry guess I ran everything off-topic |
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| 22:25.07 | rysiek|pl | cusco: Sep 27 22:34:44 laptop pppd[2070]: LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests |
| 22:25.11 | rysiek|pl | hmmm |
| 22:25.40 | cusco | hmm... do I need to do anything on my router? |
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| 22:25.49 | rysiek|pl | cusco: try selecting the "send LCP echo packets" option in the connection config dialogue |
| 22:25.50 | cusco | I mean, it works perfect at my girlfriend's place |
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| 22:26.03 | cusco | looking for it... |
| 22:26.12 | rysiek|pl | or PPP echo packets |
| 22:26.15 | rysiek|pl | something like that |
| 22:26.24 | cusco | yea saw it |
| 22:26.27 | cusco | let me try again |
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| 22:26.54 | nsadmin | what's the difference at your girlfriend's place |
| 22:27.27 | cusco | its not getting past: Sep 27 23:26:48 laptop pptp[2290]: nm-pptp-service-2277 log[ctrlp_disp:pptp_ctrl.c:897]: Outgoing call established (call ID 0, peer's call ID 150). |
| 22:27.29 | rysiek|pl | nsadmin: he prolly doesn't care *that* much about the VPN connection there... ;) |
| 22:27.35 | cusco | dunno, different router... |
| 22:27.45 | nsadmin | so the router is different |
| 22:27.46 | cusco | failed |
| 22:27.49 | rysiek|pl | cusco: *now* it doesn't get past that? |
| 22:27.50 | cusco | let me apste |
| 22:27.55 | sweetpi | I know nothing about this, but I know home routers have vpn pass-through options |
| 22:28.00 | cusco | Sep 27 23:27:18 laptop pppd[2279]: LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests |
| 22:28.02 | cusco | the same |
| 22:28.21 | cusco | http://paste.debian.net/92105/ |
| 22:29.00 | cusco | I guess I don't need to open any ports in my router, do I? |
| 22:29.22 | cusco | some routers have a option "pptp passtrough" |
| 22:29.26 | cusco | myne doesnt |
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| 22:31.00 | sweetpi | I think its only for incoming connections. |
| 22:32.16 | cusco | yes. |
| 22:32.41 | cusco | I don't really know how vpn words so... |
| 22:32.44 | cusco | works |
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| 22:33.09 | rysiek|pl | cusco: check if you could forward ESP packets and UDP port 500 packets to your machine on the router |
| 22:33.34 | rysiek|pl | cusco: then disable the "send PPP echo packets" option and try again |
| 22:34.55 | cusco | there is no option for ESP packets, but I can forward port 500 |
| 22:35.10 | rysiek|pl | cusco: then try UDP ports 500 and 4500 |
| 22:35.12 | cusco | I was about to forward from 0 to 65535, has it has no DMZ |
| 22:35.13 | cusco | lol |
| 22:35.16 | cusco | ok |
| 22:35.18 | cusco | I will |
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| 22:42.15 | cusco | the same rysiek|pl Sep 27 23:41:53 laptop pppd[2423]: LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests |
| 22:42.46 | rysiek|pl | cusco: I'm out of ideas, then :/ |
| 22:43.23 | cusco | ok |
| 22:43.34 | cusco | http://pptpclient.sourceforge.net/howto-diagnosis.phtml#lcp_timeout says I should tcpdump to follow gre packets |
| 22:43.45 | cusco | I don't think I will, too much of a hassle |
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| 22:46.50 | rysiek|pl | always preferred SSh tunnelling to VPNs |
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| 22:48.25 | Nick2 | I tried to make clapack into a .deb with dh_make and dpkg-buildpackage but it says "dpkg-source: warning: ignoring deletion of file ***" where *** is every .c file |
| 22:48.59 | Nick2 | Anyone have any ideas whats going wrong? |
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| 22:49.38 | Infin1ty | Is it normal to have a huge slow down while taking a snapshot of 1TB for the first time (LVM)? will it be released soon? so i can still work? |
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| 22:50.23 | themill | Nick2: your clean target has deleted lots of files (or you have moved them during your build or in fiddling with your package) |
| 22:53.35 | Nick2 | themill, I just re-downloaded clapack.tgz from the website, put it in a directory, ran dh_make then ran dpkg-buildpackage and it still complains about the missing files |
| 22:54.59 | Nick2 | I'm new to building debian packages but I've read at least 3-4 different "How To" guides including the debian new maintainers guide |
| 22:55.13 | Nick2 | I still can't get it to work and I don't know where to go |
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| 23:00.22 | dondelelcaro | Nick2: your first step would be to start with an existing package |
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| 23:00.50 | dondelelcaro | Nick2: but if you're stuck, you can upload a tarball of everything you've done, and I or someone else can look at it and tell you what you're doing wrong |
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| 23:01.46 | Nick2 | dondelelcaro, All I've done is what I said above, I downloaded the tgz file of clapack, ran dh_make then dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 23:02.05 | dondelelcaro | ugh; I don't even like what dh_make is doing nowadays |
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| 23:02.55 | themill | Nick2: dh_make is only a tool to get you started. It does not replace spending lots of time understanding how to fix the build system so that the required results come out the other end. |
| 23:03.23 | Nick2 | themill, I only need to to run one command, 'make' |
| 23:03.27 | dondelelcaro | Nick2: anyway, your first step should be to start with an existing package, like hello world |
| 23:03.31 | Nick2 | themill, its not really all that complicated |
| 23:03.46 | themill | Nick2: building a package is always much more complicated than just "make". |
| 23:04.18 | Nick2 | themill, when I download the .tgz all I have to do is run 'make' and I get all the files I need... |
| 23:04.21 | dondelelcaro | Nick2: for example, start with hellow-debhelper |
| 23:04.41 | Nick2 | dondelelcaro, ok I'll google this hellow-debhelper |
| 23:04.46 | dondelelcaro | Nick2: sure, but you need to understand how to put them into the package, how to make debian/control, what goes into debian/rules, what needs to go into the changelog, etc. |
| 23:04.55 | dondelelcaro | Nick2: you don't need to google it. apt-get source hello-debhelper |
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| 23:05.10 | Nick2 | dondelelcaro, ah, well I didn't know |
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| 23:05.56 | dondelelcaro | Nick2: and then spend some time looking through the contents of the debian directory and the contents of the debian tarball (or the diff.gz if you're using lenny) |
| 23:06.17 | Nick2 | dondelelcaro, I downloaded it, but even the hello world dosn't compile when I run 'dpkg-buildpackage' |
| 23:06.44 | dondelelcaro | !doesn't work |
| 23:06.44 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 23:07.07 | dondelelcaro | in this case, the entire log is what I need to see |
| 23:07.15 | qq- | !package recompile |
| 23:07.15 | dpkg | 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <apt-get source>. |
| 23:07.16 | Nick2 | http://pastebin.com/cEt30gr7 |
| 23:07.41 | dondelelcaro | Nick2: uh.. what is taa? |
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| 23:08.02 | Nick2 | dondelelcaro, thats the temp directory |
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| 23:08.11 | dondelelcaro | Nick2: and what is in it? |
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| 23:08.27 | Nick2 | nrp36@nick-desktop:~/taa$ ls |
| 23:08.27 | Nick2 | hello-debhelper-2.4 hello-debhelper_2.4-3.diff.gz hello-debhelper_2.4-3.dsc hello-debhelper_2.4.orig.tar.gz |
| 23:08.30 | Nick2 | whoops |
| 23:08.33 | dondelelcaro | Nick2: dpkg-buildpackage is designed to either be run inside a source directory of an unpacked debian package, or by being passed a dsc file |
| 23:09.21 | dondelelcaro | though honestly, you really should be using pdebuild or cowbuilder or similar instead |
| 23:09.27 | dondelelcaro | but you'll figure that out later |
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| 23:11.05 | Nick2 | Ah, I got the hello world working |
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| 23:11.16 | Nick2 | guess I can just slowly replace piece by piece until it works :) |
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| 23:12.31 | dondelelcaro | or you could read debian/rules and see what it's doing, and try calling debian/rules clean binary; yourself too |
| 23:12.46 | dondelelcaro | and then look at dpkg-deb -c and dpkg-deb -I's output... |
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| 23:13.16 | dondelelcaro | cargo culting is bad... |
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| 23:14.49 | jhutchins_lt | dondelelcaro: ? |
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| 23:15.11 | sphenxes | i am trying Zeya (music server) on debian (squeeze). Everything went fine with simple installation. However, when i try to play my music, music runs very quickly as if someone playing it 4 times faster than normal. any suggestion please |
| 23:15.39 | fignew | lol sphenxes I installed Zeya on my debian testing box last night |
| 23:15.51 | fignew | I get static when it plays though :P |
| 23:16.08 | fignew | Haven't been bothered enough to fix it :) |
| 23:16.34 | sphenxes | fignew, we should merge both of them :-) |
| 23:16.46 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions zeya |
| 23:16.48 | judd | Package zeya on i386 -- sid: 0.4-1; squeeze: 0.4-1 |
| 23:17.00 | fignew | sphenxes: did you get anything in the console when you ran it? |
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| 23:17.43 | sphenxes | fignew, yes the same picture as what they have on their home page |
| 23:18.09 | fignew | so no errors? |
| 23:18.15 | sphenxes | fignew, i am using firefox 3.5 |
| 23:18.17 | fignew | I was getting a segfault |
| 23:18.27 | fignew | sphenxes: maybe try chrome? |
| 23:18.42 | fignew | just to make sure that the problem is with zeya |
| 23:19.12 | sphenxes | fingew, i will give it a try. no errors btw |
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| 23:25.36 | sphenxes | fingew same problem with epiphany |
| 23:25.50 | sphenxes | fignew, same problem with epiphany |
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| 23:30.06 | fignew | sphenxes: epiphany uses the same rendering engine as firefox |
| 23:30.25 | sphenxes | fignew, ic |
| 23:30.38 | fignew | just a different GUI |
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| 23:30.53 | amphi | epiphany can use webkit as well as gecko, I believe |
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| 23:31.35 | fignew | I can neither confirm or deny this as I have good taste (KDE user) ;) |
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| 23:33.43 | dondelelcaro | jhutchins: read about "cargo cult programming" |
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| 23:55.22 | magyarlatin | Hello everyone |
| 23:56.57 | poprocks | yo magyarlatin |
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| 23:58.31 | Hidekazu2 | -.-. --.- |
| 23:58.32 | magyarlatin | magyar, szervusz |
| 23:58.56 | Hidekazu2 | -.-. --.- |
| 23:59.01 | magyarlatin | poprocks, o/ |
| 23:59.08 | stew | Hidekazu2: QSL. is there something we can help you with? |
| 23:59.22 | Hidekazu2 | ge dr om |
| 23:59.28 | Hidekazu2 | ur 59 hw cpi ? |
| 23:59.29 | magyarlatin | oO |
| 23:59.43 | magyarlatin | Hidekazu2, could you write propely? |
