| 00:00.11 | Hidekazu2 | roger that dear old man |
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| 00:03.20 | mugwort13 | just based on people's experience, which file system works well for a web & database server? For years I have used and tend to like jfs, but is there a way to get better performance (from a file system)? |
| 00:04.04 | abrotman | if you don't have a reason, use ext3 .. otherwise, you'd have to do testing with your own setup to test how it reacts to the load |
| 00:04.34 | poprocks | personally I've never had a problem with reiser3, b/c it supposedly is good and fast with handling lots of small files. But honestly, I've never really felt a noticeable difference with reiser3, ext3 or xfs |
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| 00:05.42 | poprocks | if you're not experiencing any major issues or annoyances with your current filesystem, I doubt you'll find it worth actively switching to a new one |
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| 00:07.13 | abrotman | besides it's no longer supported? |
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| 00:09.15 | _Techie_ | why does the package libapache2-mod-ssl not exist in squeeze? |
| 00:09.41 | stew | _Techie_: mod_ssl is included as a default module |
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| 00:13.03 | mugwort13 | Is it possible to speed up ext3 without compromising stability? poprocks: I have lost massive amounts of data using reiser 3, several times. abrotman: If you were saying jfs isn't support; jfs is still actively support by debian and the ibm jfs team. They keep up with changes in the linux kernel. |
| 00:13.48 | abrotman | mugwort13: speed up for what? have you even tried to use it ? |
| 00:14.01 | abrotman | no, i said reiser3 isn't really being supported anymore AFAIK |
| 00:15.05 | poprocks | my point was just that I've never really gained much by switching filesystems, except when I switched from ext2 to ext3, which actually did make a big difference |
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| 00:15.52 | fignew | XFS :) |
| 00:16.02 | peterrooney | vfat |
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| 00:16.35 | poprocks | it seems to me that reasonable filesystem developers would optimize their filesystem as much as possible without compromising stability - so if you don't have a problem with jfs, use it |
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| 00:17.45 | mugwort13 | abrotman: The erason I left ext3 years ago is because accessing/loading files took forever, jfs solved that. My only concern is that jfs is starting to get pushed out the door with most distros(but not debian & slackware), at the same time rescue disks that handle jfs well are few. Ext4 is fast enough, but I am not willing to use it in a production env. Anyway, you are right, I'll never know until I try. Thanks all. |
| 00:18.05 | abrotman | i'm just saying to try it with the actual load |
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| 00:18.15 | abrotman | or sometihng close to that with simulation |
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| 00:19.03 | mugwort13 | yeah. I'll have to experiment. |
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| 00:24.14 | simonrvn | need some input on a problem. have an HHD, that spins down with errors when mounting the partitions, but otherwise OK. would ddrescue help here? |
| 00:24.39 | simonrvn | trying to get the data off. was in the middle of backups.... |
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| 00:25.15 | jpinx-eeepc | simonrvn: first is to back it up before you do anything in case it dies completely. |
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| 00:26.04 | simonrvn | uh, how? re-read what i said. |
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| 00:26.46 | jpinx-eeepc | simonrvn: afaik it doesn't need to be mounted to dd it |
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| 00:27.50 | simonrvn | it's running now, but i get: sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Unhandled error code |
| 00:28.05 | jpinx-eeepc | what's the output of syslog / dmesg ? |
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| 00:28.59 | jpinx-eeepc | can you unplug it and replug it in and watch tail -f syslog ? |
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| 00:29.21 | simonrvn | http://paste.debian.net/92122/ |
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| 00:29.44 | istok | hrmm, if you've made a kernel but it won't boot, what do you do to fix it? |
| 00:29.59 | simonrvn | no i can't. it's an old fashioned non-hotswap scsi drive sitting on a non-hotswap card. |
| 00:31.45 | simonrvn | if you can't say yes or no, then forgetaboutit. i know what i need to do, i just need to know if it's doable with ddrescue or such, so i don't lose it completely. |
| 00:32.11 | simonrvn | because i suspect i only have less than 5 shots at accessing it that way |
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| 00:33.58 | simonrvn | would like to send this off to a remote host too. even my localhost would be fine, i have the room right now. |
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| 00:36.46 | seeker7 | relearning c++ I have compiled the code and now have an a.out file which i type at prompt and it does not know what to do what am i missing |
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| 00:37.19 | mjmt | What do you mean "it does not know what to do"? |
| 00:37.37 | int_80h | are you getting an error message |
| 00:37.51 | seeker7 | bash: a.out command not found |
| 00:37.56 | int_80h | ./a.out |
| 00:37.56 | mjmt | ./a.out |
| 00:38.04 | int_80h | consensus |
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| 00:38.27 | mjmt | An executable isn't looked for in the current directory, only dirs in $PATH. |
| 00:38.56 | mjmt | (But don't add . to PATH.) |
| 00:39.11 | seeker7 | thank you I will note this in the comments of my cpp file. |
| 00:39.20 | seeker7 | have a wonderful evening |
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| 00:50.28 | simonrvn | meh, not even. *sigh* |
| 00:50.40 | phogg | ? |
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| 00:50.51 | dvs | moo? |
| 00:51.07 | istok | how can 4 kernels be wrong? |
| 00:51.16 | Kyoku | wow, i love debian |
| 00:51.26 | Kyoku | i can't believe how much better than ubuntu it is |
| 00:51.34 | istok | lol |
| 00:51.41 | dvs | heh |
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| 00:51.57 | Kyoku | apache mpm fcgid installed and running like a monster with no problems, unlike ubuntu |
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| 00:54.25 | MrFrood | anybody else having issues with alpine and remote config files? |
| 00:55.00 | MrFrood | alpine has started to ignore the -p flag on my system |
| 00:55.40 | MrFrood | but alpinef still works as normal with -p flag |
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| 00:57.17 | MrFrood | all very weird |
| 00:57.39 | Hidekazu2 | -.-. --.- |
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| 00:59.58 | stew | Hidekazu2: if you have a question, please just ask it |
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| 01:03.09 | peterrooney | Kyoku: enable tab completion for bash miracles. |
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| 01:03.36 | Guest54877 | What's good autostitching software |
| 01:03.41 | peterrooney | Kyoku: eg, aptitude install apache<tabtab> |
| 01:03.42 | Guest54877 | What's good autostitching software? |
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| 01:07.30 | abrotman | Guest54877: hugin ? not really auto, but it's easy to use |
| 01:08.20 | dvs | wonders about the sudden interest in textiles. |
| 01:08.43 | MrFrood | so no one else is using alpine guess I'll have to ask elsewhere... is there an alpine/pine channel? |
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| 01:08.53 | abrotman | MrFrood: i've used it |
| 01:09.08 | Guest54877 | What's a good NON-panoramic image stitched |
| 01:09.17 | abrotman | but not that much .. just enough to find out that it still doesn't have Maildir support |
| 01:09.19 | Guest54877 | Can Hugin do non-panoramic image stitching |
| 01:09.20 | ddalton | does anyone know if the winfast gold dtv will work with debian, (mplayer), and if there are any models I need to look out for eg. models with the same name, but perhaps unsupported hardware? |
| 01:09.26 | abrotman | Guest54877: it doesn' thave to be panoramic .. hugin can stitch lots of stuff |
| 01:09.31 | Guest54877 | what are some good automatic image stitchers |
| 01:09.33 | abrotman | maybe you should just try it |
| 01:09.36 | Guest54877 | that's awesome |
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| 01:09.46 | abrotman | who knew people from PA were so impatient ... |
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| 01:09.55 | abrotman | sends Guest54877 to the CPLUG meetings |
| 01:09.57 | Guest54877 | what's that supposed to mean, abrotman? |
| 01:10.28 | abrotman | CPLUG .. Central PA Linux User Group |
| 01:10.49 | Guest54877 | I see |
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| 01:11.10 | Guest54877 | what are some auto image stitchers |
| 01:11.11 | MrFrood | abrotman: I'vee used it for (well pine) for a decade but it has just started ignoring the -p flag to load a remote config but alpinef (alpine using function keys) still works with the -p flag |
| 01:11.25 | ddalton | anyone? |
| 01:11.32 | Guest54877 | Autostitch is the world's first fully automatic 2D image stitcher |
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| 01:11.46 | Guest54877 | how much does autostitch cost |
| 01:11.48 | abrotman | Guest54877: please stop repeating every 20 seconds |
| 01:11.57 | Guest54877 | Are there any FREE automatic image stitchers? |
| 01:12.00 | abrotman | Guest54877: please stop repeating every 20 seconds |
| 01:12.37 | ddalton | does anyone know if the winfast gold dtv will work with debian, (mplayer), and if there are any models I need to look out for eg. models with the same name, but perhaps unsupported hardware? |
| 01:12.54 | Guest54877 | mayube I'll get Microsoft Research Image Composite Editor and say fuck you |
| 01:12.56 | MrFrood | Guest54877: take a look at the gimps plugin page there may (or mat not) be something there |
| 01:12.59 | Guest54877 | ok |
| 01:13.13 | abrotman | Guest54877: if you want to use MS software, why are you asking #debian ? |
| 01:13.24 | Guest54877 | I don't want to use MS software, but people aren't answering my question |
| 01:13.30 | abrotman | i already did |
| 01:13.32 | abrotman | !search |
| 01:13.32 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. |
| 01:13.32 | Guest54877 | are there automatic image stitching programs for linux that are free |
| 01:13.43 | abrotman | or ask google |
| 01:13.46 | abrotman | or freshmeat.net |
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| 01:14.16 | ddalton | does anyone know if the winfast gold dtv will work with debian, (mplayer), and if there are any models I need to look out for eg. models with the same name, but perhaps unsupported hardware? |
| 01:14.17 | stew | Guest54877: hugin |
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| 01:14.22 | Guest54877 | ok, thanks |
| 01:14.43 | ddalton | does anyone know if the winfast gold dtv will work with debian, (mplayer), and if there are any models I need to look out for eg. models with the same name, but perhaps unsupported hardware? |
| 01:14.48 | toggle | . |
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| 01:18.16 | ddalton | does anyone know if the winfast gold dtv will work with debian, (mplayer), and if there are any models I need to look out for eg. models with the same name, but perhaps unsupported hardware? |
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| 01:20.26 | abrotman | said hugin |
| 01:20.45 | Guest54877 | so how do I use hugin |
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| 01:21.20 | Guest54877 | HOW DO I USE HUGIN |
| 01:21.25 | abrotman | READ THE DOCS |
| 01:21.30 | Guest54877 | I have image parts that are at the center of web browser pages |
| 01:21.39 | Guest54877 | how can I take hugin and use it to stitch the individual parts |
| 01:22.10 | ddalton | does anyone know if the winfast gold dtv will work with debian, (mplayer), and if there are any models I need to look out for eg. models with the same name, but perhaps unsupported hardware? |
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| 01:23.19 | MrFrood | Just checked the bugs page for the Debian alpine package and there is nothing reported there similar to what I am suffering so I have to assume it's a local config issue |
| 01:23.36 | Guest54877 | like I have images here, 0, 1 2 3 |
| 01:23.42 | Guest54877 | I want to stitch them all together |
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| 01:23.44 | MrFrood | any ideas on what I should check? |
| 01:23.45 | Guest54877 | or how do I do it with GIMP |
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| 01:23.59 | Guest54877 | HOW DO I DO IT |
| 01:24.08 | abrotman | Guest54877: which version of linux are you using again? |
| 01:24.23 | Guest54877 | Debian 5.0.4 |
| 01:24.32 | Guest54877 | with hugin installed using apt-get install hugin |
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| 01:24.55 | MrFrood | Guest54877: install the gimp plugin browser package and see if there is a plugin that will do what you want |
| 01:25.02 | Guest54877 | Ther eisn't |
| 01:25.02 | abrotman | if it's gimp, you'd probably just create a canvas the total size of the stitched images and place them |
| 01:25.10 | Guest54877 | So all I have is hugin with no ability to use it |
| 01:25.21 | Guest54877 | that's takes time, abrotman |
| 01:25.27 | Guest54877 | I want something that';s supposedly automatic |
| 01:25.59 | MrFrood | is there a gimp channel for Guest54877 ? |
| 01:26.19 | Guest54877 | It would have been nice if you just told me how to use Hugin. |
| 01:26.59 | Guest54877 | HOW DO I USE HUGIN!!!!! |
| 01:27.02 | msakms | greetings folks |
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| 01:27.26 | abrotman | READ THE DOCS |
| 01:27.31 | ddalton | is anyone around tht could help me with my television delema |
| 01:27.36 | MrFrood | Guest54877: that would involve somebody here knowing how to use it |
| 01:27.49 | abrotman | lots of people here have used hugin |
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| 01:28.28 | nsadmin | Guest54877, calm yourself... know that gimp uses scheme as a scripting language... if you want to do something automatic, then (1) learn scheme and then (2) learn the gimp extensions to scheme |
| 01:28.59 | Guest54877 | what should I do to enter Camera and LEns data |
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| 01:29.11 | nsadmin | (and asking me to write the script for you automatically and necessarily involves a paid contract) |
| 01:29.20 | msakms | I've got some questions concerning switching to debian from mint isadora, any chance to get help ^^ |
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| 01:31.09 | seeker7 | invalid conversion from const char to char -- i have declared char strcontinue and when i compile i get this error |
| 01:31.12 | peterrooney | msakms: I think it's what the channel's intended for |
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| 01:42.24 | eTo_PL | hi all |
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| 01:45.03 | eTo_PL | anyone can tell me, how to use my sound card as main sound output insted of build in sound hardware from motherboard? |
| 01:45.18 | eTo_PL | or point to some guide how to do it |
| 01:45.42 | dvs | eTo_PL: blacklist the motherboard driver |
| 01:45.56 | seeker7 | hi eTo_Pl do you know any c++ |
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| 01:46.43 | eTo_PL | dvs: thx, i will try to do it |
| 01:46.49 | dvs | np |
| 01:47.00 | LinuxGuy2009 | Is there any solution to ripping CDs to AAC and transfering to an iPod with Debian? I know that AAC is a non-free format but was wondering if there is some solution to it. These are the only things from keeping me using Debian. I miss the stability so much and want to come back to stay for good. |
| 01:47.09 | eTo_PL | seeker7: no i don't |
| 01:47.10 | Hidekazu2 | :wq |
| 01:49.16 | peterrooney | LinuxGuy2009: don't ipods play mp3s ? |
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| 01:50.14 | ksx4system | peterrooney: they do. and they do it fairly good :) (click wheel ones) |
| 01:50.22 | LinuxGuy2009 | peterrooney: Yeah I prefer AAC but would consider going back to mp3 if I had to. Also thought about getting a Sansa Fuze+ 16gb just so I have a player that supports Linux. |
| 01:50.28 | flaarg | LinuxGuy2009: ipods should support mp3, but there is faac in the repo it encodes to aac |
| 01:50.49 | flaarg | rip to wav -> faac to aac |
| 01:50.50 | istok | LinuxGuy2009, i just used Xilisoft or JSymphonic |
| 01:51.07 | Hidekazu2 | :q! |
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| 01:51.14 | peterrooney | ,versions faac |
| 01:51.15 | cowbud | I am trying to get a preeseed to install grub on the second hard drive. i.e. /dev/sdb. I am bootstrapping the preseed file with a usb stick and every time I load no matter if I have hd(1,0) or /dev/sdb in my grub-installer/bootdev but when I boot and install the usb device is seen as drive 0 and is always installed to. Any ideas? |
| 01:51.15 | judd | Package faac on i386 -- etch-multimedia: 1.25-0.1; lenny-multimedia: 1.26-0.2; sid-multimedia: 1.28-0.3; squeeze-multimedia: 1.28-0.3 |
| 01:51.18 | LinuxGuy2009 | flaarg: Yeah I have seen faac in debian-multimedia repo but I have no clue if I need a gui app that can put it to use or how that works yet. |
| 01:51.22 | Hidekazu2 | ZZ |
| 01:51.52 | Hidekazu2 | ^C |
| 01:52.00 | LinuxGuy2009 | How would I go about using faac to encode? |
| 01:52.38 | flaarg | faac is a command line encoder that uses libfaac to convert to aac |
| 01:52.46 | flaarg | I don't know about gui encoders |
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| 01:54.18 | peterrooney | LinuxGuy2009: presumably, cdparanoia to convert tracks to files, then faac to encode files to AAC format |
| 01:55.35 | flaarg | I beleive rubyripper supports aac |
| 01:55.39 | Kyoku | peterrooney ahh thanks, tab completion is good |
| 01:55.48 | flaarg | I use rubyripper to rip to flac and mp3 |
| 01:56.03 | LinuxGuy2009 | peterrooney: So like do you pretty much feed faac files on the command line? like feed it flac files for example? |
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| 02:00.08 | LinuxGuy2009 | I think I should just wait till payday and get a Sansa Fuze+ 16GB or 8GB and just stick with FLAC for my master library and OGG for my portable player. |
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| 02:04.09 | Injaj | hi |
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| 02:04.51 | peterrooney | LinuxGuy2009: man page seems straightforward, showing faac -o out.aac in.wav |
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| 02:06.27 | innociv | I have unknown processes running on my server which are consuming tons of cpu. Seems like some sort of hacking. |
| 02:06.58 | stew | innociv: how do you know? |
| 02:07.40 | innociv | http://i51.tinypic.com/alm2dg.png I have nothing that runs any python thing. |
| 02:08.03 | Injaj | It's my first time owning an Internet-facing server. Sure enough, some chinese IP has tons of authentication failures in my /var/log/auth.log |
| 02:08.08 | innociv | If I'm wrong, I'd like to figure out what is causing htis either way |
| 02:08.13 | innociv | normal I never go above 3% cpu |
| 02:08.16 | Kyoku | innociv looks like password cracker |
| 02:08.26 | innociv | Hm, kyoku? |
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| 02:09.04 | stew | innociv: is rph a user you created? or that someone unknown created? |
| 02:09.12 | innociv | It's one i created |
| 02:09.16 | Kyoku | innociv svcrack is a brute force cracker |
| 02:09.24 | innociv | I never installed anything like that... |
| 02:09.40 | innociv | so does it seem like someone got my user access? |
| 02:09.42 | Kyoku | innociv someone did |
| 02:09.55 | innociv | It's nothing someone could have on my system without having login/password? |
| 02:10.14 | Injaj | well obviously they did :) |
| 02:10.19 | stew | innociv: they obviously have control of at least the rph account |
| 02:10.32 | Kyoku | innociv they could have exploited something to get in or brute forced you, how complex is your password? |
| 02:10.54 | innociv | or can they do this without the password? Basically I'm asking if I just have to change my password. Which, if they had access, why didn't they lock me out? |
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| 02:11.03 | Kyoku | innociv regardless, they are in so you need to fix it |
| 02:11.04 | innociv | it's just 8 letters and a number. |
| 02:11.11 | innociv | Kyoku, I agree! :D |
| 02:11.21 | Injaj | is rph your main account? |
| 02:11.25 | innociv | Yes |
| 02:12.08 | Injaj | what are those IPs on the right in the picture? |
| 02:12.20 | LinuxGuy2009 | Actually In debian-multimedia I see all the tools I need like GtkPod-AAC and EasyTag-AAC. Is there any GUI tools for ripping/encoding to AAC or will I need to just get used to doing it by CLI? |
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| 02:12.29 | indecipherable | I was on the other day and someone posted a link to a project that allows debian to run alongside windows; I run debian in a VM - but it looked interesting. does anyone know that link? I hadn't got a chance to click it due to having to log out. |
| 02:12.34 | _dreamy | does anyone knows how to install usb support on vboX? (at #vbox no one was answering) |
| 02:12.50 | Injaj | indecipherable: andLinux? |
| 02:13.02 | innociv | injaj, no idea |
| 02:13.04 | Kyoku | _dreamy just check the box, it should then detect usb automatic |
| 02:13.14 | Injaj | _dreamy: pretty sure the free Vbox doesn't have free USB, unless something has changed in the last 2 years |
| 02:13.37 | Kyoku | _dreamy when your vm is running click on devices at top and select the device |
| 02:13.48 | innociv | Well I started by changing my passwd. What do I need to do next? |
| 02:14.12 | Kyoku | innociv check for rootkit |
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| 02:14.45 | _dreamy | Kyoku: yes however the usb doesnt shows, i tryed to plug anything to the physical usb .. to c if it helped, but didnt |
| 02:14.48 | Kyoku | innociv http://www.chkrootkit.org/ |
| 02:14.56 | Guest56431 | hello, tring to set up the package manager to a new mirror, and just failed at finding the address structure |
| 02:15.06 | innociv | I was just about to ask if that's what I should use |
| 02:15.06 | innociv | ty |
| 02:15.28 | Kyoku | innociv and back up any data you need |
| 02:15.29 | _dreamy | Injaj: its the closed source vbox that has it |
| 02:15.39 | Kyoku | innociv in case the attacker turns malicious |
| 02:16.29 | innociv | Okay |
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| 02:16.42 | Guest56431 | can anybody point me in the way of adding a update address, for k package man |
| 02:16.46 | stew | innociv: the only way you can be sure to get them off your system is to reinstall |
| 02:17.11 | Kyoku | innociv i agree with stew, best wipe it |
| 02:17.15 | Guest56431 | just installed, and need to set up the mirrors manualy |
| 02:17.26 | innociv | Ow |
| 02:17.33 | Injaj | why wipe it, it's just doing harmless password cracking. if he sees it happen again, he can wipe it then. |
| 02:17.46 | _dreamy | i havent found anything sayng that the closed source version costs money ? |
| 02:17.50 | Injaj | not like they're going to keep a low profile for a while, then when his suspicion drops do something bad |
| 02:18.05 | innociv | It's a dedicated server, would I have to have my hosting provider do the reformat? |
| 02:18.33 | stew | Injaj: what other back doors did they leave open? |
| 02:18.40 | Kyoku | innociv call them and tell them you've been hacked and see what they say |
| 02:19.01 | Kyoku | innociv but like i said - back up your data first, right now |
| 02:19.10 | stew | Injaj: when they crack some passwords, are they going to use his box to log into the boxes with the passwords they cracked? |
| 02:19.14 | innociv | doing that. Basically just mysql stuff |
| 02:19.32 | innociv | Well they're support is nice, I don't doubt they'd do a fresh install, but I was just asking if it wasn't something I could do from ssh. |
| 02:19.51 | Kyoku | innociv you have to assume any code on your site, even code that's yours has been messed with |
| 02:20.00 | Injaj | stew: that's just a possibility. he'll notice any increase in CPU usage, memory, or bandwidth, which are common for malware, so what's the problem. As long as it's not an important server (ie it's just some personal toy) no need to format just yet. |
| 02:20.30 | stew | Injaj: its no problem to let random people you don't know maybe use your server to attack other servers? |
| 02:20.32 | Kyoku | innociv is this a business server? or a toy? |
| 02:20.42 | innociv | It is not dealing with credit cards or anything |
| 02:20.48 | LinuxGuy2009 | Does http://backports.debian.org have any ISO or Jigdo files for download to have the backports for offline use like Debian-Multimedia does? |
| 02:20.54 | innociv | It's mostly a toy. |
| 02:21.13 | innociv | Worst someone could get from it is some users emails. |
| 02:21.19 | Kyoku | innociv well, if you know it has been hacked and you do nothing about it and they have something else then you may be guilty of a crime |
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| 02:21.33 | Kyoku | innociv so wipe it |
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| 02:23.42 | abrotman | LinuxGuy2009: no, but you could mirror it probably |
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| 02:23.52 | peterrooney | innociv: also, if you've been rooted, you can't trust anything the box says about itself. |
| 02:24.24 | innociv | peterrooney, well htop is telling me these processes running and stuff. They didn't lock me out. IT doesn't seem like they tried anything really serious |
| 02:24.33 | innociv | just as using my box to crack other passwords. |
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| 02:24.48 | stew | innociv: what other things have they used your box to do? |
| 02:24.51 | Kyoku | innociv they are actively cracking telephone / voicemail services using your box, that is not ok |
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| 02:25.26 | innociv | it's not, but could be worse. Anyway I want to stop it, of course. Backing things up now |
| 02:25.27 | peterrooney | they don't want to lock you out because a failed loging is a surefire alarm. reinstall, as Kyoku points out |
| 02:25.41 | LinuxGuy2009 | abrotman: Ok thanks. |
| 02:26.08 | peterrooney | s/loging/login/ |
| 02:26.20 | abrotman | LinuxGuy2009: though really, they change all the time .. it'd be better to use the http source if you can |
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| 02:26.39 | LinuxGuy2009 | abrotman: Ok |
| 02:26.45 | peterrooney | innociv: that'll teach you to not install denyhosts |
| 02:27.16 | innociv | Sorry. :( What is that? |
| 02:27.30 | innociv | not allow any ip but mine to ssh? |
| 02:27.55 | arosen | Hello, I'm trying to get a more up today kernel then the one that comes with debian. Is linux-headers-2.6.32-bpo.5-486 the newest one in backports? |
| 02:27.56 | peterrooney | it's a package that blocks any ip that fails a certain number of password attempts in a given time period |
| 02:28.02 | innociv | ah |
| 02:28.15 | abrotman | wonders if stew ever sleeps |
| 02:28.40 | arosen | Also do i just install linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.5-486 and then it will automatically configure this kernel in grub for me? |
| 02:28.41 | peterrooney | mind you, you have to be really fucking careful for a while if you mistype a password once... |
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| 02:29.13 | peterrooney | loves passwordless ssh key logins |
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| 02:30.23 | Injaj | installed denyhosts...now to configure it |
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| 02:30.55 | Injaj | is there some sort of complete suite that would take care of all these security details? or do I need to download and configure each tool myself |
| 02:32.15 | eTo_PL | yeah, i've just manage to blacklist right driver and i can finaly use sound card insted of onboard suond :) |
| 02:32.36 | eTo_PL | guess linux isn't that bad that i thought ^^ |
| 02:32.56 | Kyoku | Injaj mostly DIY, and quite a few of the tools take a while to configure.. like mod_security |
| 02:33.03 | Injaj | well the fact that you had to blacklist a driver to get it working is pretty bad but what do I know |
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| 02:34.20 | Injaj | on the desktop side my experience is with Ubuntu only and it was very good driver-wise. Hardware that wouldn't even work in Windows would work in it. |
| 02:34.48 | eTo_PL | well, it's good for me, since i dunno other way, + that was first solution that someone propose |
| 02:36.08 | sweetpi | onboard sound was likely just set as default so nothing would have gone through the other card |
| 02:36.30 | sweetpi | you should have been able to disable onboard sound in the bios |
| 02:36.32 | Injaj | Kyoku: is there some package that will block non-requested inbound traffic from entire countries? I'm in Canada, my private server's in Canada. I guess I could look up the countries' IP blocks on the ietf website and do it manually... |
| 02:37.04 | sweetpi | or just set the default card :) |
| 02:37.06 | peterrooney | Injaj: the harden-doc package is very informative, and the harden package conflicts with many obviously risky packages (eg. telnet) |
| 02:37.11 | Kyoku | Injaj you can use geodns so it never even gets to you |
| 02:38.00 | Injaj | peterrooney: I'll check that out |
| 02:38.01 | Injaj | and geodns |
| 02:39.32 | sweetpi | Injaj: iirc iptables has an geoip module |
| 02:39.41 | eTo_PL | yep, in windows i have sound card as default, but i didn't had any kind of idea how to set up that thing in debian since it's first time i try this distro, and generally linux |
| 02:39.49 | abrotman | Injaj: iptables can block a range |
| 02:40.25 | int_80h | >:| geoIP is bad! just ratelimit NEW ssh connections, you'll discourage the automated folks |
| 02:41.07 | abrotman | oh .. no he won't .. |
| 02:41.17 | abrotman | they're bots .. use fail2ban or change hte port |
| 02:41.40 | int_80h | bots are smart enough to stop when you DROP, not DENY |
| 02:41.52 | abrotman | not these bots |
| 02:41.54 | int_80h | it slows them down and they quit. i can provide logs with proof |
| 02:42.07 | int_80h | strong passwords takes care of the stragglers |
| 02:42.19 | abrotman | and then they come back two days later |
| 02:42.34 | int_80h | so? likelihood of them guessing in four attempts? |
| 02:42.50 | int_80h | brute force hacking is only effective with speed |
| 02:42.53 | peterrooney | feels the need to restate his love for passwordless ssh key logins |
| 02:43.01 | Kyoku | lol |
| 02:43.02 | int_80h | also loves those |
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| 02:43.31 | pseubodot | loves kerberos logins. |
| 02:43.42 | int_80h | eugh |
| 02:43.55 | sweetpi | uses a password on keys anyway |
| 02:44.29 | LinuxGuy2009 | I wanted to ask about how some Debian based distros use the same password for the administrator and the first user account. Is there any risk, downside, or reason why I would not want to be doing that? |
| 02:44.35 | int_80h | ... i just noticed peterrooney specified passwordless..lol |
| 02:44.45 | int_80h | always uses a password with his keys |
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| 02:44.50 | Injaj | what's the command-line utility of choice to check how much cpu, memory, etc processes are using? (like Process Explorer Manager in Windows) |
| 02:44.58 | int_80h | top? |
| 02:45.00 | int_80h | htop? |
| 02:45.20 | Injaj | ok, thanks |
| 02:45.35 | int_80h | linuxguy2009: it means if they get your account password, they've also got root. so why have a separate root at all? |
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| 02:46.01 | sweetpi | what distro uses the same password for root and user? |
| 02:47.05 | int_80h | ubuntu has user-pw sudo by default, doesn't it? |
| 02:47.13 | sweetpi | yes |
| 02:47.20 | jpinx-eeepc | sweetpi: the maemo on the n900 has no root password ;) |
| 02:47.30 | sweetpi | evil lol |
| 02:47.43 | jpinx-eeepc | set one damn quick ;) |
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| 02:50.44 | LinuxGuy2009 | int_80h: Ok thats what I figured |
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| 02:53.20 | Bushmills | sweetpi: last time i looked, root and user passwords were determined by user, not by distribution, with debian |
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| 02:55.30 | sweetpi | Bushmills: see LinuxGuy2009's question |
| 02:56.58 | Bushmills | ah |
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| 03:03.17 | eTo_PL | cu all |
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| 03:19.42 | Injaj | yo, for the person who suggested denyhosts, it should be enough to ban a host for 10 minutes after 5 failed attempts right? They'll move on to a different target? |
| 03:20.17 | abrotman | Injaj: fail2ban is what i'd use .. and those ssh crackin bots are like 5 tries in a second |
| 03:20.27 | innociv | Why not ban for a whole hour or day? |
| 03:20.48 | int_80h | i've used iptables and maxstartups before with good results |
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| 03:20.56 | abrotman | innociv: those bots don't care |
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| 03:21.13 | innociv | huh? |
| 03:21.56 | int_80h | abrotman doesn't think ratelimiting is an effective deterrent |
| 03:22.24 | Injaj | int_80h: wasn't it you who said above to ratelimit? :P |
| 03:22.28 | Injaj | oh, abrotman |
| 03:22.33 | abrotman | just change the port .. it stops bots .. it still won't stop someone who really wants in |
| 03:22.44 | Injaj | allright, I'll change the port |
| 03:22.47 | abrotman | it's not real security, just keeps the logs empty |
| 03:23.36 | abrotman | let me reiterate .. changing the port is not real security .. you still need strong passwords and to keep up on patches .. but it stops stupid bots from repeatedly attempting to login as 'bonnie' or 'bart' |
| 03:23.45 | Injaj | I know |
| 03:24.01 | Injaj | this is a first step in a long long list of things I'm gonna try to do |
| 03:24.04 | int_80h | ratelimiting destroys the effectiveness of bruteforce password cracking |
| 03:24.12 | nomasteryoda | deny root login to ssh helps too |
| 03:24.13 | Injaj | like I said it's my first time owning an internet-facing server |
| 03:24.30 | abrotman | but five times in 10 minutes is way way too few .. i've failed that many times because i think i'm logging into a different host :) |
| 03:24.31 | int_80h | for best results, combine ratelimit with strong passwords, alternate port, and up to date patching |
| 03:24.58 | abrotman | the fail2ban really works well, you can set it for any service you want, and you can do like 10 attempts per minute, which is pretty hard for a human to do |
| 03:25.18 | Dewi | I like to set private-key-only for powerful accounts |
| 03:25.34 | Dewi | or like... any account that has a full system shell, really |
| 03:25.47 | int_80h | how do you set per-account auth methods? |
| 03:26.55 | dondelelcaro | using pam, but that's generally a bad idea |
| 03:27.05 | pickcoder | fail2ban is great |
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| 03:27.26 | pickcoder | I use it most under postfix, though, for blocking annoying spam bots |
| 03:28.43 | Dewi | dondelelcaro, int_80h: newer sshds have a fair few options, there's even a "Match" thing to make options conditional on user, group, address... |
| 03:29.18 | int_80h | amusing, I was just recently wondering why sshd didn't have that |
| 03:29.21 | Dewi | I thought there was a simpler way to do it tho |
| 03:30.31 | Kyoku | innociv fixed your box? |
| 03:31.05 | e-dub | newsense |
| 03:31.09 | innociv | I just finished backing everything up, Kyoku |
| 03:31.10 | e-dub | newsense |
| 03:31.22 | e-dub | newsense |
| 03:31.25 | innociv | I haven't run chrootkit or got those processes stopped/removed. |
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| 03:32.13 | innociv | which, speaking of, how do I stop that cracker that's running? |
| 03:32.15 | innociv | and remove it? |
| 03:32.16 | JyZyXEL | where is the crontab -e file stored? |
| 03:32.26 | innociv | or rather, how do I figure out how to do that. |
| 03:32.33 | int_80h | pkill python? lol |
| 03:32.38 | int_80h | i thought you were going to reinstall |
| 03:32.41 | gnutron | innociv: 'pkill process-name-here' |
| 03:32.54 | innociv | there is like 50 processes, thought I could kill a whole tree |
| 03:32.59 | innociv | or killall name? |
| 03:33.00 | JyZyXEL | where is the crontab -e file stored? |
| 03:33.05 | Dewi | JyZyXEL: dunno. does it matter? |
| 03:33.11 | e-dub | newsense |
| 03:33.12 | JyZyXEL | yes it does where is it stored |
| 03:33.22 | Dewi | JyZyXEL: access it using 'crontab' |
| 03:33.26 | innociv | http://i51.tinypic.com/alm2dg.png killall svcrack or something? |
| 03:33.31 | JyZyXEL | where is it stored on the filesystem |
| 03:33.35 | Injaj | innociv: out of curiosity, can you check the auth log for the IPs that accessed the rph account? I'm curious if your guy is chinese. |
| 03:33.37 | Kyoku | innociv look at pstree -p first, see how pretty it is and post screenshot |
| 03:34.00 | Kyoku | innociv then pkill |
| 03:34.16 | Kyoku | innociv then watch them all come back again |
| 03:34.33 | JyZyXEL | where are user crontab files stored? |
| 03:35.03 | gnutron | innociv: you can apt-get chkrootkit, or aptitude if you prefer. |
| 03:35.11 | JyZyXEL | the one accessed with crontab -w |
| 03:35.15 | JyZyXEL | crontab -e |
| 03:35.18 | Dewi | JyZyXEL: /var/spool/cron/crontabs |
| 03:35.27 | lost_soul | JyZyXEL: mine shows it's in /tmp |
| 03:35.29 | Dewi | JyZyXEL: stop asking over and over |
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| 03:35.40 | Dewi | lost_soul: that'd be the temp file it uses |
| 03:36.09 | peterrooney | JyZyXEL: crontab -e edits a temporary file, renames sorta randomly |
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| 03:38.25 | JyZyXEL | fucking hate how -e and -r are so close together |
| 03:38.34 | JyZyXEL | kinda big difference on what they do |
| 03:39.31 | Kyoku | you should build a wall between them, for safety |
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| 03:40.26 | Injaj | ok, this is gonna roll a few eyes, but is there something that helps me discover Linux commands I need to do stuff (other than looking them up?) Like, for example, I'd choose a first section like Hardware and it'd pop up a list of subcategories, like Diagnostics, HardwareInfo, etc. Like for example if I did Hardware.HardwareInfo.HardDrives.MountedDrives, I would get a bunch of related commands, among which is "df" to check mounted devices and fre |
| 03:40.59 | int_80h | nothing in categories |
| 03:41.01 | Injaj | Basically a way to discover Linux commands by multiple categories, interactively (intellisense of some sort) |
| 03:41.06 | int_80h | try 'apropos' to search man pages |
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| 03:41.24 | Kyoku | best way to learn linux is keep screwing it up |
| 03:41.39 | gnutron | Injaj: hit tab three times, look for fun stuff. |
| 03:41.41 | JyZyXEL | backups are great |
| 03:41.45 | Kyoku | wax on, wax off |
| 03:41.54 | Injaj | I'm one of those people with really poor memory |
| 03:42.05 | lost_soul | http://linux.math.tifr.res.in/manuals/categories-index.html |
| 03:42.09 | Injaj | basically I have no low-level cache and I keep having to do I/O to get to information |
| 03:42.12 | lost_soul | that might help, dunno |
| 03:42.14 | Kyoku | cos you rely on google to remember for you |
| 03:42.38 | Kyoku | like people who use gps can never find their way around without it, even in their own town |
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| 03:43.10 | e-dub | ha ha |
| 03:43.13 | Injaj | lost_soul: see the problem with that site, is that they could've written a description of the command next its name, but they didn't. |
| 03:43.35 | lost_soul | Injaj: isn't all that complete either |
| 03:43.38 | int_80h | injaj, people in the linux world expect you to do the legwork |
| 03:43.42 | e-dub | they usally don't |
| 03:43.47 | sweetpi | man -a intro |
| 03:43.50 | int_80h | man 1 man |
| 03:43.54 | int_80h | :P |
| 03:44.08 | e-dub | it's up to u to figure out |
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| 03:45.25 | e-dub | u gotta learn linux |
| 03:45.35 | peterrooney | !grounding |
| 03:45.35 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on the <debian-user> mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference. Ask me about <ig>, <reference>, <refcard>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference) |
| 03:45.38 | Injaj | int_80h: it's not about not wanting to do work, it's honestly that I already have so much to remember, that I keep forgetting. Maybe I should write something like that myself. |
| 03:46.15 | lost_soul | thats what I did, made a command reference |
| 03:46.24 | lost_soul | taking notes is always a plus |
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| 03:46.36 | e-dub | i agree |
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| 03:46.43 | int_80h | imo, if you can't remember it, you're not using it often. if you don't use it often, don't bother remembering it |
| 03:46.54 | e-dub | haha |
| 03:46.54 | int_80h | just learn how to google, apropos, man, which, locate, find, etc. |
| 03:47.52 | int_80h | i probably know a few thousand commands and switches, from aix, solaris, different linux distros, cisco hw, etc.. |
| 03:48.01 | int_80h | i don't beat myself up if i don't remember something |
| 03:48.02 | Injaj | this is terribly inefficient...if I ever have some time I'll do an interactive command look-up tool. |
| 03:48.20 | Kyoku | int_80h but do you know what sys 64738 does? |
| 03:48.33 | e-dub | thats right inja |
| 03:48.34 | int_80h | no |
| 03:49.30 | e-dub | how did he get here |
| 03:49.37 | Injaj | who |
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| 03:49.42 | int_80h | c64 eh |
| 03:49.54 | e-dub | someones teaching him |
| 03:50.19 | int_80h | google |
| 03:51.08 | e-dub | their is better |
| 03:52.33 | e-dub | matt? |
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| 03:52.44 | e-dub | haha! |
| 03:53.05 | e-dub | no |
| 03:53.17 | e-dub | thought it was you |
| 03:53.19 | int_80h | am I missing something here |
| 03:53.32 | Kyoku | nope, e-dub is bonkers |
| 03:53.35 | e-dub | sorry off topic |
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| 03:53.56 | e-dub | you wish |
| 03:54.27 | e-dub | how you do that |
| 03:55.02 | e-dub | smoke |
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| 03:55.29 | e-dub | ha ha |
| 03:55.53 | e-dub | #ethanwills |
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| 04:03.34 | e-dub | newense whats up |
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| 04:04.03 | e-dub | #ethanwills for newbies |
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| 04:08.45 | sweetpi | e-dub: I was going to suggest #defocus but then I remembered one of the rules are "please avoid babbling nonsensically" |
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| 04:09.58 | Injaj | don't go all Reiser on us now e-deb |
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| 04:15.43 | _Techie_ | something is enforcing user quotas on the server im working on, is there anything in the default install that manages quotas? |
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| 04:18.30 | pickcoder | so squeeze has been frozen? |
| 04:19.01 | sweetpi | !squeeze |
| 04:19.01 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the next release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0. It is the three-eyed space alien. Ask me about <wwsr> for recent updates and see also <testing> <squeeze udev> <squeeze kernel> <lenny->squeeze> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze . The Debian release is not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. |
| 04:19.45 | pickcoder | thanks |
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| 04:21.47 | sweetpi | thought that said something about the freeze :/ |
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| 04:39.08 | Injaj | peterrooney, if you're still here, I installed denyhosts using apt-get. How can I tell whether it's running "in daemon mode" or not? |
| 04:39.26 | Injaj | their documentation mentions this but doesn't say how to tell |
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| 04:56.09 | scifiguy | how can i get a list of packages that other packages arent dependent on |
| 04:58.42 | nevyn | scifiguy: deborphan can do that for you |
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| 04:59.04 | Raptors | I'm trying to configure samba. Does anyone know how to set up users? I set security to "user" but I can't figure out how to set which user can access what share. |
| 04:59.48 | nevyn | Raptors: umm that's in the howto and is rather involved. |
| 05:00.23 | nevyn | Raptors: you've created local system users for all the humans in your organisation? |
| 05:01.18 | Raptors | Yes local users. Just want to set up a simple server to share my media files with my bro. |
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| 05:01.53 | nevyn | user security is anything but simple |
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| 05:02.08 | nevyn | set security=share (which is less secure but simpler to understand.) |
| 05:02.15 | Ogmios | Raptors: http://samba.netfirms.com/index.htm |
| 05:02.19 | nevyn | and is fine for a home media centre type box |
| 05:02.19 | Dewi | scifiguy: aptitude search '~i !~R.*' |
| 05:02.33 | Ogmios | that covers the basics to get you running |
| 05:02.46 | Dewi | scifiguy: should also list packages with no reverse-depends. But I guess it won't find orphaned chains |
| 05:04.12 | nevyn | Raptors: get that? |
| 05:04.50 | Raptors | What's confusing about user security? |
| 05:05.08 | Raptors | It seems rather simple in theory. |
| 05:06.12 | scifiguy | also, if i removed packages, but didnt purge the config files, is there a way to purge removed packages? |
| 05:06.41 | e-dub | ha ah newsense |
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| 05:06.59 | newsense | ? |
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| 05:07.27 | e-dub | you dont smoke wit me? |
| 05:07.34 | e-dub | haha |
| 05:07.48 | newsense | sure |
| 05:07.51 | newsense | come over |
| 05:08.59 | Dewi | scifiguy: does 'purge' work on them? |
| 05:09.20 | nevyn | Raptors: you need to understand windows cifs at a site administration level including dacls interaction between share and ntfs security, domain administration, computer accounts etc to use it sanely |
| 05:09.56 | scifiguy | Dewi: cant tell, i dont remember all the package names, i removed gnome, so theres probably 300 packages im dealing with |
| 05:11.17 | jpinx-eeepc | !gnome |
| 05:11.17 | dpkg | GNOME is a Desktop Environment ("DE", so are <KDE> and <XFCE>) based on GTK+. To get or delete GNOME, ask me about <install gnome> or <remove gnome> respectively. See also <gnome status>. http:/wiki.debian.org/Gnome http://www.gnome.org/ #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org. GNOME-related IRC channels: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeIrcChannels |
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| 05:11.30 | jpinx-eeepc | !remove gnome |
| 05:11.30 | dpkg | To remove or purge GNOME 2.x: aptitude remove ~nlibgnome ~nlibbonobo2 ~nliborbit2 ~nlibgnomeui ~nlibgnomevfs2. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>). |
| 05:11.39 | jpinx-eeepc | scifiguy: ^^ |
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| 05:11.58 | Dewi | Raptors: normally user access to shares will mirror the access those users have locally |
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| 05:15.57 | the_file | hi |
| 05:16.16 | the_file | Im want to know how often is the kde4.5 testing is being worked on |
| 05:18.03 | sweetpi | the_file: http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 05:18.31 | the_file | is it possible to filter bugs in kdes bugzilla to only debian?. |
| 05:18.40 | the_file | I can't figure it out |
| 05:19.06 | innociv | I did apt-get install chrootkit, but I can't actually find the directory.. |
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| 05:20.32 | sweetpi | innociv: what directory? /usr/lib/chkrootkit ? |
| 05:21.43 | innociv | I went and did it from the tarball instead. |
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| 05:22.11 | sweetpi | ah maybe check /usr/local |
| 05:22.52 | Ogmios | /usr/sbin/chkrootkit |
| 05:23.02 | Ogmios | I installed from apt |
| 05:24.13 | innociv | Well it said nothing found. |
| 05:24.21 | innociv | or nothing detected. |
| 05:25.50 | Ogmios | innociv: if you are concerned, combine with rkhunter |
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| 05:26.28 | Raptors | I used a ubuntu program called "system-config-samba" to set my my samba. It made it extremely easy. |
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| 05:33.11 | innociv | Doing an apt-get upgrade, I got this: http://pastebin.com/7TqveHR1 About moving to dependancy based boot system. |
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| 05:47.03 | BugDave | how do you pronounce debian? |
| 05:47.11 | BugDave | Deb-ian? |
| 05:47.17 | BugDave | or dee-bian |
| 05:47.31 | Ogmios | deb-ian |
| 05:47.36 | Ogmios | for Deb and Ian |
| 05:47.37 | BugDave | thank you |
| 05:47.43 | Ogmios | np |
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| 05:48.27 | Nuxro | Guys, do you know if Debian uses some sort of geoip mirror manager? (like Centos'/Fedora's mirrorlist thingy) |
| 05:50.50 | sweetpi | !info netselect-apt |
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| 05:51.20 | dpkg | netselect-apt: (speed tester for choosing a fast Debian mirror), section net, is optional. Version: 0.3.ds1-14 (sid), Packaged size: 10 kB, Installed size: 60 kB |
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| 05:53.33 | Nuxro | sweetpi: right, thanks, so it doesn't use something like centos' mirror list |
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| 05:54.41 | sweetpi | not sure what centos uses, netselect-apt is just a tool to use after install |
| 05:54.50 | nasi_lemak | i managed to create a samba share and is accessible from Windows client (\\xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx\share), but I don't how to access the share from other LINUX client. please advise. TQVM. |
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| 05:55.41 | sweetpi | Nuxro: debian might use something like you say, but its been years since ive installed without a local mirror |
| 05:56.02 | muddd | nasi_lemak, are you trying to mount the share or just grab a file from it? |
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| 05:56.13 | Nuxro | sweetpi: by default centos yum accesses mirrorlist.centos.org/arch/version/etc and that site will redirect you to a mirror near to you based on geoip |
| 05:56.21 | Nuxro | sweetpi: thanks anyway |
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| 05:57.15 | nasi_lemak | muddd, i m newbie, can u pls give give sample command for the mount samba share ? |
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| 05:59.16 | muddd | nasi_lemak, mount -t smbfs -o username=nasi_lemak,password=whatever //xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/sharename /folder/for/mount |
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| 05:59.26 | muddd | might have to apt-get install smbfs |
| 05:59.31 | muddd | if you haven't already |
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| 06:00.05 | muddd | -o uid=username possibly depending |
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| 06:31.06 | hid3 | Hello everyone. Let's say I have a user 'john' in my system. Is there any way to make an alias so user 'pete' would conenct via ssh, enter username 'pete' and john's password and would login succesfully? |
| 06:31.35 | hid3 | In fact I need two users share the same home dir, password, etc, etc... |
| 06:31.43 | hid3 | Just a different login name |
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| 06:44.12 | cerpintaxt | my firefox is not showing japanese fonts, which package do i need to install to show them? |
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| 06:45.32 | MrFrood | hid3: don't know if you can do that but if you can 'man usermod' could be where you need to look |
| 06:47.07 | Injaj | I manually deleted my /var/log/auth.log (cause denyhosts was parsing old log files and kept locking me out), then recreated it with touch. But now I don't see stuff getting logged to it. I intentionally did a failed attempt to ssh in, and auth.log is still empty. What gives? |
| 06:48.22 | simonrvn | probably need to rehash ssh |
| 06:48.36 | Injaj | simonrvn: how do I do that? |
| 06:48.44 | dondelelcaro | Injaj: you need to reload whatever syslog you're using |
| 06:48.46 | nullcat | Injaj: that auth.log has owner syslog:adm and perms 640 |
| 06:49.59 | nullcat | make that root:adm |
| 06:50.01 | simonrvn | and the syslogd too ;) |
| 06:50.02 | Injaj | well fixing the permissions is easier for me than googling how to reload the syslog, so I'll start with that |
| 06:50.13 | dondelelcaro | fixing the permissions isn't going to help you |
| 06:50.34 | dondelelcaro | the syslogd has an FD open on the file which you've removed, and it won't write to the new one until you HUP it or whatever is appropriate |
| 06:50.51 | dondelelcaro | (and in fact, you don't need to create the new file either) |
| 06:50.54 | Injaj | dondelelcaro: would a reboot HUP it? |
| 06:51.11 | dondelelcaro | Injaj: that's like fixing a hangnail with a cleaver, but yes... |
| 06:51.33 | dondelelcaro | Injaj: /etc/init.d/syslogd reload; is what you're looking for |
| 06:51.49 | dondelelcaro | (or syslog-ng or rsyslog or whatever syslog you have installed) |
| 06:52.01 | simonrvn | *hint*: /msg dpkg fundamentals |
| 06:52.14 | Injaj | I spent the entire night reading linux documentation instead of studying...it's almost 3AM, so I wouldn't have minded just rebooting :P |
| 06:52.23 | nullcat | probably /etc/init.d/rsyslog reload |
| 06:53.14 | dondelelcaro | reading documentation *is* studying... we just don't charge money, give grades or give diplomas, |
| 06:53.41 | Injaj | got it, thanks. it was sysklogd, and auth.log is logging now. |
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| 06:54.22 | Injaj | dondelelcaro: true.dat |
| 06:54.48 | Injaj | next time I need to do something like this I'll just clear the contents of the log file |
| 06:55.33 | Injaj | you know, those chinese ssh scavengers aren't so smart |
| 06:55.47 | Injaj | nearly all the usernames are asian...why would a system with a canadian IP have asian usernames? |
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| 06:56.12 | AimHere | Are there no Asian people in Canada? |
| 06:56.41 | Injaj | sure, but your entire dictionary shouldn't consist of asian names |
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| 06:57.42 | crazyjd | need to configure apache to listen on 2 ports |
| 06:57.49 | crazyjd | can anyone help me to do that |
| 06:58.22 | Injaj | sorry, I'm new |
| 06:59.04 | Injaj | did you mean different sites on different ports? |
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| 06:59.34 | Shadur | crazyjd: apache can listen on a dozen ports if need be. |
| 06:59.55 | muddd | could someone recommend where i should start looking to enable exim4 to accept emails from my router, with no username/password required? |
| 07:00.21 | sweetpi | crazyjd: if you mean the default site, just add another "Listen <port>" |
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| 07:01.15 | Bop | how do i list installed packages with aptitude ? |
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| 07:02.42 | shifty | Bop: dpkg --get-selections |
| 07:03.21 | peterrooney | Injaj: A large chunk of Hong Kong moved to Vancouver back in '97. |
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| 07:05.01 | shifty | horrors, i'm installing sun's java to get a program to run. which package do I want from non-free? there seems to be tonnes of sun-java6-* packages and I can't tell the difference! |
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| 07:05.24 | sweetpi | Bop: aptitude search ~i |
| 07:05.32 | Bop | ok thanks shifty sweetpi |
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| 07:06.49 | sweetpi | shifty: sun-java6-jre |
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| 07:07.49 | shifty | ok, thanks sweetpi. what's the -bin version? (am slightly curious) |
| 07:08.58 | sweetpi | shifty: arch dependent files, -jre depends on it |
| 07:10.39 | sweetpi | actually they depend on each other |
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| 07:11.03 | Injaj | is chkrootkit a package that comes ready to run or would I need to edit/configure it? |
| 07:11.15 | shifty | sweetpi: makes sense. normally i'll just install something and let apt pull whatever but i don't want to be in a situation where it pulls half of non-free in. i'll remove non-free after installing java. |
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| 07:12.36 | sweetpi | shifty: yeah the jre is all you need if your just running and not developing |
| 07:13.38 | shifty | it feels a bit like a guilty secret installing java on an otherwise clean machine. (well, that and mplayer :-) |
| 07:13.43 | Injaj | I usually don't miss Java but I can't think of any alternatives to jDownloader (which automates downloads from rapidshare/megaupload) |
| 07:14.01 | Injaj | what's wrong with mplayer? |
| 07:14.13 | shifty | Injaj: codecs |
| 07:14.30 | shifty | Injaj: with questionable licences |
| 07:14.48 | Injaj | you mean the "if it's illegal in your country, you shouldn't do it" disclaimer? :P |
| 07:14.56 | crazyjd | @sweetpi was not around ... got talked into getting distracted |
| 07:14.56 | sweetpi | shifty: well there is openjdk, but some programs puke on it |
| 07:15.31 | Injaj | is VLC in free or non-free? |
| 07:15.40 | shifty | Injaj: more or less |
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| 07:16.39 | Dewi | strange that packages.debian.org doesn't seem to mention the main/contrib/non-free thing |
| 07:16.47 | shifty | sweetpi: I suspect this may be one of those. |
| 07:17.31 | shifty | Dewi: yes it does. in the text at the top, also in the drop down selection boxes |
| 07:17.32 | crazyjd | sweetpi: I went to port.conf and added a statement called listen:8080 |
| 07:17.38 | crazyjd | but it doesn't work |
| 07:18.01 | Dewi | shifty: any idea what the timeline is for java being totally GPLd ? |
| 07:18.12 | Dewi | shifty: cause you don't have to feel bad at all once that's finished right? |
| 07:18.41 | shifty | Dewi: have no idea. Have always avoided it. |
| 07:18.50 | sweetpi | crazyjd: did you restart apache? |
| 07:19.00 | peterrooney | crazyjd: read the conf file - it has more to say on the subject |
| 07:19.01 | crazyjd | sweetpi : yep |
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| 07:19.27 | sweetpi | oh you added "listen:8080"? its "Listen 8080" |
| 07:19.28 | Dewi | VLC is free-er than mplayer; it uses free implementations at least, with mplayer you strap in ripped win32 binaries |
| 07:19.36 | crazyjd | listen 8080 |
| 07:19.40 | Dewi | (but VLC still has patent concerns in software patent countries) |
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| 07:20.43 | shifty | Dewi: that's why Debian is brilliant. I don't have to read licences, I just go "aptitude install". |
| 07:20.51 | sweetpi | crazyjd: like peterrooney said look at the comments, you have to change the vhost file also |
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| 07:21.32 | crazyjd | Hmm fine |
| 07:21.35 | shifty | anyway, FSF-rhetoric aside, I'm off to install java :-) |
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| 07:21.44 | Injaj | godspeed |
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| 07:21.49 | crazyjd | I'll try |
| 07:21.55 | Dewi | shifty: well yeah, as far as you can ever be confident of such things. We still had the problems of embedded kernel binary-blobs and SCO patent trolling until recently |
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| 07:22.25 | Dewi | (not sure but I think both are much better now than they were a few years back?) |
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| 07:23.32 | Injaj | mentions Novell's deal with MS, grabs popcorn |
| 07:23.51 | sweetpi | !topic |
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| 07:24.12 | sweetpi | fails |
| 07:24.15 | Injaj | IIRC wasn't Microsoft buying tons of SCO licenses to help fund them during the era of the SCO trial? |
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| 07:24.34 | Dewi | Injaj: last I read the judge had smacked down SCO pretty badly so none of that should apply anymore |
| 07:24.40 | Dewi | but I don't really follow it |
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| 07:29.51 | shifty | installed java. the application is an epic fail. to hit a menu selection with the mouse you have to aim a centimetre below the item. "quit" is greyed out. holes all over the place. ah, platform "independence" |
| 07:30.32 | sweetpi | shifty: did you set the default jre? |
| 07:31.12 | sweetpi | update-java-alternatives |
| 07:31.55 | shifty | sweetpi: no (was about to say I don't know how - thanks), but application reports using 1.6.0_21 which seems right |
| 07:32.20 | sweetpi | that is a perfect example of when I said "some programs puke on openjdk" |
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| 07:33.40 | shifty | sweetpi: update-java-alternatives reports java-6-sun 63 /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun, java-gcj 1042 /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj. lower is favoured, right? |
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| 07:35.49 | sweetpi | shifty: i thought it was higher |
| 07:36.27 | shifty | sweetpi: manpages doesn't say |
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| 07:37.55 | jpinx-eeepc | shifty: I tried openjdk for a few days - I run a financial webface - and it is crap. I use the sun one now in lenny |
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| 07:38.35 | angel-tsankov | the desktop has strange icons for home and trash :( |
| 07:38.36 | Dewi | jpinx-eeepc: yeah, it's ironic - dotnet has better opensource implementation than java |
| 07:38.43 | angel-tsankov | with question marks |
| 07:39.32 | sweetpi | shifty: maybe the number doesnt mean anything.. I just changed the alt and the number didnt change maybe thats the build number |
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| 07:42.44 | shifty | sweetpi: you might be right re higher number is more favoured. "update-alternatives --display awk" gives 10 to gawk and 5 to mawk. my system uses gawk. |
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| 07:43.58 | Dewi | hey you know when openssh encounters an unknown host key? these days it draws some kind of visualized ascii graph of the key |
| 07:44.02 | Dewi | anyone know what that's called? |
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| 07:44.21 | sweetpi | shifty: either set the java alt anyway, or ls -al /etc/alternatives/java |
| 07:44.43 | shifty | Dewi: remember a decade or so back when java appeared and the weird license issues? i'd say that's why .NET is better provided for today. |
| 07:45.39 | shifty | sweetpi: very practical. mine links to java-6-sun |
| 07:46.29 | shifty | sweetpi: I think it's the application being less than portable. to be honest, every few years when I try a java-based application, I end up being disappointed. |
| 07:46.31 | Dewi | shifty: some components of .NET had licensing issues too, but they seemed to get resolved once novell's weight got behind mono |
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| 07:46.48 | sweetpi | Dewi: its a "Visual SSH Fingerprint" |
| 07:47.08 | Dewi | sweetpi: it's a cool idea, I wanna read more about the vis method used |
| 07:47.16 | Dewi | sweetpi: it looks coherent for pseudo-random data |
| 07:47.56 | Dewi | (like, it's not just bits -> pixels, it's something else) |
| 07:48.49 | Dewi | dunno why I said pseudo-random then |
| 07:49.11 | Dewi | maybe cause debian's host keys were that time a few years back :P |
| 07:49.24 | sweetpi | Dewi: heres the release notes for it(has more info): http://www.openssh.org/txt/release-5.1 |
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| 07:50.13 | jpinx-eeepc | shifty: the web-based java application I use is friggin awesome, works a dream apart from on a slow connsection |
| 07:50.13 | Dewi | sweetpi: ah, thanks very much |
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| 07:50.42 | sweetpi | Dewi: yw |
| 07:52.30 | sweetpi | shifty: yeah I always seem to be disappointed with java apps and end up either searching for alternatives or writing it myself |
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| 08:00.40 | freddy__ | Hi - I am requested to upgrade a production webserver running etch to lenny. I have a spare but non identical (for hardware) server I can use for backup/migration. Now I wonder if debian has a best pratice for upgrading such a production server ? |
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| 08:01.49 | freddy__ | I can find several ways on the net: upgrade-system, apt-get dist-upgrade, apt-dater and possibly more. Is there a best pratice for which to use ? |
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| 08:02.49 | coax | http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-upgrade-debian-linux-4etch-to-5lenny-server.html |
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| 08:04.28 | freddy__ | coax, thanks - I have seen this and read it and find it good. Just wondered if any in this pool of experts used other procedures. |
| 08:04.31 | koollman | freddy__: step one : make backups. step two : read release documentation, looking for things that may changes the way your server runs: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
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| 08:05.08 | at0m | hi, i have a bunch of .jpg scans which I'd like to combine in a single .pdf. Is there an app for such a job? |
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| 08:06.25 | freddy__ | koollman, thanks - this was what I was looking for but didn't find :-) |
| 08:06.28 | koollman | at0m: make sure imagemagick is installed, then: convert *.jpg single.pdf |
| 08:06.58 | at0m | koollman: oh, i have those but didnt think of that... thanks! :)) |
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| 08:30.53 | dHL | Anyone know if you can connect external modems to COM 1, COM 2 or PS2 ports? |
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| 08:32.07 | krion | 56k modem on com 1 for sure |
| 08:32.15 | HollyRain | hi! does anybody could recommend a free service to manage a software project for a little team? |
| 08:33.38 | flypp | HollyRain, have a look at redmine www.redmine.org |
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| 08:34.32 | flypp | there's a demo in home page, test it |
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| 08:35.17 | frikinz | HollyRain: http://basecamphq.com/ |
| 08:35.18 | HollyRain | flypp: thanks |
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| 08:40.10 | minver | How do I see what stuff that autostarts when my server restarts? |
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| 08:42.38 | krion | minver: you should have a look at runlevel |
| 08:43.12 | krion | minver: do a 'who -r' |
| 08:43.51 | minver | krion: run-level 2 Sep 28 07:52 last=S |
| 08:43.54 | krion | and then do a ls /etc/rcX.d/S* where X is the runlevel you're running |
| 08:44.02 | krion | so ls /etc/rc2.d |
| 08:44.10 | krion | /S* |
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| 08:45.06 | krion | also there is the stuff in /etc/rcS.d and /etc/rc.local |
| 08:45.17 | gnarface | is there a way to restart X without all the clients dying? |
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| 08:46.21 | krion | gnarface: i don't think so |
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| 08:48.17 | gnarface | is there a memory profiling utility (something like free) that will also show how much video ram is used/free? |
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| 08:55.53 | z1y | Hello, I am using Debian Lenny. I'd like to check if files from packages are valid. Where can I find the checksums of files from Debian packages? |
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| 08:58.50 | themill | !debsums |
| 08:58.50 | dpkg | well, debsums is a utility that will check a package's files against their checksums. The "-a" argument will instruct it to also check configuration files. |
| 09:00.23 | z1y | thanks so much! |
| 09:04.02 | Roconda | hi, i've got ntfs-3g installed to mount a usbdisk. When inserting the usbdisk it only show me /dev/sdb, without partitions. It just works fine with windows though |
| 09:04.15 | Roconda | so, where are my partitions ? :P |
| 09:04.37 | Roconda | modprobed the ntfs kernel module |
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| 09:07.00 | Dewi | Roconda: is it a "dynamic disk" or something? |
| 09:07.35 | Dewi | Roconda: partitions should always work regardless of NTFS support, unless you're using a windows-only partition table format |
| 09:07.55 | gnarface | yea, Roconda what does fdisk say about it? |
| 09:08.10 | Roconda | Dewi: no |
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| 09:09.40 | Roconda | Dewi: Sep 28 10:48:58 medusa kernel: [ 5771.217804] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk |
| 09:09.45 | Roconda | but no partitons |
| 09:10.11 | gnarface | is it possible it needs udf? |
| 09:10.24 | gnarface | what version of windows did you format this with? |
| 09:11.30 | Dewi | Roconda: sudo dd if=/dev/sdb bs=512 count=1 | hd |
| 09:11.40 | Dewi | Roconda: could you consider pastebinning that? |
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| 09:13.33 | Roconda | Dewi: http://privatepaste.com/58ee2c8fd4 |
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| 09:16.57 | Dewi | Roconda: that's a really odd MBR |
| 09:17.23 | Roconda | yeah, wierd stuff |
| 09:17.27 | Dewi | Roconda: has the MBR signature at bottom but the partition table should be where that string data is |
| 09:18.07 | Dewi | (where it says 'nd then press...') |
| 09:18.51 | Roconda | how do you mean? |
| 09:20.58 | Dewi | well normal style MBRs end with '55aa' (and that does) |
| 09:21.05 | Roconda | hmm, I see the first 512 bytes should only be mbr |
| 09:21.08 | Dewi | but the preceeding 64 bytes is meant to be the part table |
| 09:21.15 | Dewi | but on yours that's string data |
| 09:21.26 | Dewi | so I'm not sure what partitioning system I'm looking at |
| 09:21.41 | Dewi | (ref http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_boot_record) |
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| 09:22.36 | Dewi | perhaps what windows calls "dynamic disk" |
| 09:22.46 | Dewi | or the new replacement for MBR on ultra-big drives? |
| 09:23.01 | Dewi | (called GUID) |
| 09:23.14 | Roconda | yeahh probbly |
| 09:23.19 | Roconda | its an FAT but 8GB |
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| 09:23.53 | sweetpi | doubt it has GPT if it was done on windows |
| 09:24.09 | gnarface | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/309044 Roconda, Dewi is this relevant? supposedly you could convert these things to a partition-table setup with some windows add-on |
| 09:24.22 | Dewi | GPT should have a legacy MBR partition table anyway, according to the spec |
| 09:24.34 | Dewi | so I'm guessing windows dynamic disk? |
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| 09:25.06 | gnarface | if its windows dynamic disk then it sounds like basically microsoft's version of LVM |
| 09:25.38 | Dewi | gnarface, Roconda : yeah, check that out on a windows host and see about converting back to Basic Disk (if my guess is right that is) |
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| 09:26.01 | Dewi | ah crap it sounds like it involves deleting the contents. |
| 09:26.14 | Roconda | ah damn |
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| 09:27.49 | Dewi | Roconda: you could at least check in windows if it is indeed a 'dynamic disk' rather than some other exotic type linux doesn't automatically recognise |
| 09:27.50 | rokra | Hi , Is it possible to know the SSL version ( ssl V3 or tls1) from a public certificate https? |
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| 09:28.49 | gnarface | Dewi, Roconda google says there's some company called paragon software that makes a (closed source?) NTFS dynamic disk driver for linux - that might be worth looking into |
| 09:29.09 | gnarface | kb.paragon-software.com/paragon/show.jsp?509 |
| 09:29.23 | Roconda | gnarface: its probbably a FAT |
| 09:29.58 | sweetpi | found an article saying its actually just a 1 byte change to convert from dynamic to basic disk |
| 09:30.38 | gnarface | that's exciting. but which byte? |
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| 09:30.41 | sweetpi | if anyone is interested: http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=191006 |
| 09:30.54 | Dewi | sweetpi: hrm, will need to get a part table from somewhere too |
| 09:32.07 | sweetpi | true, its only 8gb I would just backup, format, restore |
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| 09:32.43 | gnarface | that's what i'd do too |
| 09:32.54 | gnarface | then never again use windows dynamic disk |
| 09:35.32 | sweetpi | drive seems old, needs a backup anyway. that drive was formated on nt4 |
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| 09:35.42 | spliffi | hi community |
| 09:35.49 | gnarface | hi spliffi |
| 09:35.54 | spliffi | I've got a weird problem |
| 09:36.02 | gnarface | go |
| 09:36.19 | spliffi | my maschine has squeeze installed and is used to monitor some switch ports |
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| 09:37.09 | gnarface | that doesn't sound like such a weird problem to me |
| 09:37.10 | spliffi | it has two NICs one for ssh and the other to monitor 18 switchports |
| 09:37.18 | sweetpi | read that as "my mustache has squeeze installed" |
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| 09:37.34 | spliffi | somehow the network connection get lost every few minutes |
| 09:37.38 | spliffi | and then comes back... |
| 09:37.43 | spliffi | I can't explain why |
| 09:37.50 | spliffi | the logs doesn't reveal anything |
| 09:37.57 | Dewi | sweetpi: haha. Awesome... lenny didn't support that arch |
| 09:37.59 | spliffi | the ssh session just freezes, no ping possible |
| 09:38.08 | gnarface | spliffi: just out of curiosity, is this a 3com switch with vlan and/or fibrechannel port in use? |
| 09:38.14 | spliffi | after a while it just returns and command in the buffer will be executed |
| 09:39.11 | spliffi | no it's a Cisco 4500 (core switch) and Iam monitoring 18 Giga Ports from it |
| 09:39.21 | spliffi | but traffic isn't that much |
| 09:39.38 | spliffi | shouldn't be congesttion issues |
| 09:39.43 | qq- | !enter |
| 09:39.43 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 09:39.59 | spliffi | I don't know how to debug this |
| 09:40.07 | Dewi | spliffi: unplug / ifdown the cisco NIC and see if ssh stays up longer with it unplugged? |
| 09:40.28 | spliffi | yes I did this yesterday |
| 09:40.31 | spliffi | seems to stay up |
| 09:40.48 | gnarface | spliffi: i've had a similar problem with 3com switches that we bought because they were the cheaper option for some more expensive cisco ones. it only seemed to happen under heavy load on the fibrechannel ports (it was a mixed-port type switch) but the problem ended up being dirty LA power - brownouts causing havoc but not actually fully shutting the switch off. we put all the witches on UPSes and it stopped happening |
| 09:41.00 | spliffi | then I ifup'ed the NIC and it was stable for a long time (I had to sleep somewhen) |
| 09:41.54 | spliffi | hm actually it's all cisco |
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| 09:42.25 | spliffi | I have 18 cisco 2950SX connected to the cisco 4500 core switch where I plugged my monitoring NIC into |
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| 09:42.54 | spliffi | maybe drier issue? |
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| 09:43.36 | spliffi | I just know it is a Intel optical fibre NIC |
| 09:43.44 | spliffi | and e1000 is loaded |
| 09:43.45 | Dewi | spliffi: are these on old PCI - 16 bit? |
| 09:44.07 | jelly | Dewi: you mean old 32bit pci. |
| 09:44.08 | spliffi | I recon it is 32 bit |
| 09:44.18 | Dewi | jelly: er... yeah, that. oops |
| 09:44.19 | spliffi | Athlon 3000+ Asrock board |
| 09:44.29 | gnarface | spliffi: that is a weird problem. the first thing i'd try (after ensuring the switches were all running the latest firmware, the cables were all certified or ones i made myself, and that there were UPSes on them) would be to check the link speed auto-detection state and advertised speed range of the cards connected. if some don't support gigabit, replace them with ones that do. for the rest disable autodetection then lock them |
| 09:44.29 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:44.30 | spliffi | old but not too old |
| 09:44.59 | gnarface | spliffi: it's fibrechannel, not ethernet? |
| 09:45.17 | spliffi | fibrechannel |
| 09:45.19 | jelly | gnarface: his fiber card can't really do anything else _but_ 1000Mbps |
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| 09:46.03 | gnarface | fibrechannel is all kinds of flaky in hot environments, with poor power grid stability and no UPS, or if you sneeze on them |
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| 09:46.54 | spliffi | the weird thing is....as long as Iam working typing 'n stuff it seems to hold up...but if I have a break and come back it is down for a moment and then comes back |
| 09:47.12 | spliffi | like idling=downtime |
| 09:47.15 | gnarface | spliffi: that reminds me of another issue - we were having this one in macintosh servers but we noticed the fibrechannel cards were all VERY heat sensetive. they'd get super flaky if the room got above about 78F - we ended up having to install a huge aircon to keep them stable. |
| 09:47.25 | Dewi | spliffi: could be ARP falling out of the cache |
| 09:47.39 | Dewi | spliffi: and taking ages to find it again for some reason? |
| 09:48.42 | gnarface | would take gigabit ethernet over fibrechannel any day. between the hardware cost savings and the elimination of downtime the increased theoretical speed of fibrechannel just can't be justified |
| 09:49.00 | sweetpi | Dewi: this image came to mind when he said that: http://stallman.org/saintignucius.jpg |
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| 09:49.13 | spliffi | the room is pretty chilly...huge aircon installed :) |
| 09:49.18 | gnarface | plus if you so much as step on one of those fragile little 50$-per-foot cables it's ruined |
| 09:50.09 | spliffi | hm honestly it's a bit tentative at the moment |
| 09:50.40 | Dewi | sweetpi: haha |
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| 09:51.38 | spliffi | oh wait now I see sth. in the logs that ntpd is listening on eth1 which is the fibrechannel without an IP adress of course |
| 09:51.59 | spliffi | Sep 28 11:25:50 hhmonitor ntpd[898]: Listen normally on 12 eth1 2002:c25e:4f61:a:203:47ff:fede:24cb UDP 123 |
| 09:52.44 | gnarface | spliffi: what are you doing with this network? raw hd video editing on a SAN? |
| 09:53.42 | spliffi | no Iam just interested in SYN packets travelling through my network to gather information about possible portscans besides my sensors I already deployed |
| 09:54.25 | Dewi | spliffi: wow, so that's all internet-facing? |
| 09:54.29 | gnarface | spliffi: no i mean, what purpose has the network been built for? something specific or is it just a general-purpose office lan? |
| 09:54.39 | Roconda | Dewi: it was something stupid, I hadn't installed fusefat |
| 09:54.56 | Roconda | I did have ntfs-3g + fuse |
| 09:55.05 | gnarface | claps for Roconda's victory |
| 09:55.05 | Roconda | so I overlooked something, my bad |
| 09:55.18 | Roconda | thanks for the help you guys though |
| 09:55.19 | spliffi | the network is for student dorms |
| 09:55.24 | Dewi | Roconda: oh. wow, so it can cope with exotic partition types? that's awesome |
| 09:55.28 | gnarface | fibrechannel for student dorms?! |
| 09:55.30 | gnarface | holy shit |
| 09:55.32 | spliffi | got a class C adress space here |
| 09:55.36 | Dewi | gnarface: kids these days |
| 09:55.40 | Roconda | Dewi: yeah |
| 09:55.43 | spliffi | no gnarface |
| 09:56.03 | spliffi | the 18 switches are spread over the dorms and just got 100Mbit |
| 09:56.11 | spliffi | they are all connected to our core switch |
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| 09:56.32 | spliffi | and I just wanna grab traffic (SYN packets) which are travelling between our 18 switches internally |
| 09:56.35 | gnarface | ah i see |
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| 09:57.04 | gnarface | ponders the possibility of arp-spoofing attacks causing this |
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| 09:58.06 | Dewi | spliffi: hey, are the address spaces properly adjunct between nic1 and nic2 ? |
| 09:58.15 | Dewi | er maybe I should call them eth0 and eth1 |
| 09:59.11 | spliffi | NIC1 and NIC2 are on different VLANs and even connected to different devices |
| 09:59.13 | Dewi | spliffi: if linux thinks your ssh remotehost is addressable via both nics, maybe it's trying arp on the faster one and timing out before checking eth0 ? |
| 09:59.43 | spliffi | @ Dewi that's a good point |
| 10:00.09 | spliffi | but as I already said, even ping isn't working during this timeout |
| 10:00.17 | Dewi | ping needs arp |
| 10:00.44 | spliffi | so changing sshd config to listen on just one NIC isn't enough |
| 10:01.06 | Dewi | not if the problem is at such a low level |
| 10:01.20 | gnarface | clean routes are key |
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| 10:02.15 | Dewi | you should use an addressing scheme where the 2 nics have completely separate ip ranges so your ssh remotehost has only 1 route entry |
| 10:02.30 | qq- | anyways not debian problem .. |
| 10:02.35 | Dewi | (or eth0 being the one with lowest metric) |
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| 10:03.08 | qq- | > #networking , etc |
| 10:04.54 | spliffi | ok thanks a lot for you help, I appreciate that...I'll try to fix it somehow |
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| 10:10.33 | Benkinooby | exit |
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| 10:14.21 | rgr | of course its a debian problem. If he is using debian. |
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| 10:16.05 | Dewi | rgr: or might be, until it's identified :) |
| 10:17.12 | cusco | hi folks |
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| 10:26.29 | evilgeenius | Is there a way I can optimise memory usage in debian? I'm only on a 256mb vps so im trying to reduce it. Are there some un-used services I can turn off? |
| 10:27.18 | sekon | evilgeenius: depends on what your usecase is |
| 10:27.46 | evilgeenius | sekon: I am just running a web app that uses ruby/mysql/nginx |
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| 10:28.33 | themill | !mysql memory usage |
| 10:28.33 | dpkg | To help reduce the memory usage of MySQL server, disable "innodb" tables (this can save around 100MB memory): echo -e "[mysqld]\nskip-innodb" > /etc/mysql/conf.d/skip-innodb.cnf ; invoke-rc.d mysql restart |
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| 10:29.03 | evilgeenius | I've done that already. |
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| 10:30.04 | evilgeenius | Is there anything decent i can do to debian? |
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| 10:30.29 | themill | evilgeenius: many things... but without us knowing exactly what you are running and how you are running it, we can't tell you anything about it. |
| 10:30.45 | themill | evilgeenius: ESP-over-TCP/IP doesn't work that well just yet |
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| 10:31.53 | at0m | evilgeenius: for mysql, for example, you can reduce the cache size etc, apache has similar options. they will be slower, cos reading from disk more, but that can save on memory |
| 10:32.05 | gnarface | evilgeenius: not using X saves a lot |
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| 10:32.18 | stew | themill: no, its its own protocol, separate from tcp, but still on ip, it could be tunneled over ip if you really care to: http://www.networksorcery.com/enp/protocol/esp.htm |
| 10:32.18 | sekon | evilgeenius: do you have apache2-mpm-prefork |
| 10:32.22 | sekon | installed |
| 10:32.28 | evilgeenius | themill: Debian 5.0 (lenny) 32-bit. From a fresh install of debian I have installed mysql/ruby/rubygems/nginx/. That's it. |
| 10:32.34 | evilgeenius | Im not using apache2 |
| 10:32.37 | evilgeenius | using nginx instead |
| 10:32.44 | sekon | sorry |
| 10:33.01 | themill | stew: ahh... how silly of me. A different network layer makes it a bit more complicated though. I was hoping to be able to tunnel it over IRC. |
| 10:34.55 | stew | evilgeenius: see if your MTA is using much memory. perhaps it could be switched out for nullmailer or ssmtp or some such? |
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| 10:36.36 | stew | evilgeenius: you could also perhaps show us the output of "ps aux --sort rss" or something |
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| 10:37.22 | evilgeenius | stew: http://pastebin.com/K04xACjG |
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| 10:38.55 | evilgeenius | Maybe I'm asking too much, after all the system only has 256mb. Its using 210164k |
| 10:39.34 | stew | evilgeenius: can you show us the output of "free -m | sed -n 2p" |
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| 10:39.51 | evilgeenius | Mem: 247 205 42 0 33 92 |
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| 10:40.14 | tarzeau | evilgeenius: 33 and 92 is buffered/cached, which means it's free |
| 10:40.20 | tarzeau | evilgeenius: for applications to take it |
| 10:40.23 | stew | evilgeenius: uh, you have 92 mb in disk cache |
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| 10:40.30 | tarzeau | evilgeenius: so the real free is like 120 |
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| 10:40.48 | tarzeau | evilgeenius: unused memory is wasted memory |
| 10:41.14 | evilgeenius | My web app is not being used at the moment, so wont that extra memory come in useful then |
| 10:42.11 | tarzeau | evilgeenius: web app with mysql/postgresql? |
| 10:42.30 | evilgeenius | tarzeau: yeah ruby/mysql |
| 10:42.59 | f8l | evilgeenius: The real usage is in the line with +/- buffers/cache when you run `free -m`. |
| 10:43.24 | stew | which we can reconstruct from the line he pasted |
| 10:43.28 | evilgeenius | -/+ buffers/cache: 78 168 |
| 10:44.02 | evilgeenius | So what does that tell me? |
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| 10:44.20 | stew | evilgeenius: that you are using 78 of your 256 megs |
| 10:44.36 | f8l | stew: Right. |
| 10:44.44 | evilgeenius | ? |
| 10:44.49 | evilgeenius | surely not? |
| 10:44.54 | stew | evilgeenius: surely not what? |
| 10:45.09 | evilgeenius | its only using 78 megs |
| 10:45.33 | evilgeenius | Why does top say Mem: 253232k total, 209976k used, 43256k free |
| 10:46.07 | g00se | I was wondering if it's possible to gain recursive read access to a directory with the ntfs tools without altering (causing a need to restore later) the perms on the volume itself? |
| 10:46.08 | stew | evilgeenius: because your os sees that you aren't using very much memory, and unused memory is wasted memory, so it starts using it for stuff like disk cache in order to speed your system up |
| 10:46.26 | stew | evilgeenius: the cache can be reclaimed immediately if needed for applications |
| 10:46.53 | evilgeenius | ok, so top is a bad tool if you dont know what you're doing |
| 10:46.59 | tarzeau | stew: do you know how it is with buffers? |
| 10:47.46 | stew | tarzeau: not exactly |
| 10:48.08 | stew | evilgeenius: top also doesn't tell you how much of the memory is shared with other processes in the list |
| 10:48.33 | stew | evilgeenius: if you have two processes which load the same shared libraries, those shared libraries are reported as used by both processes in top |
| 10:49.03 | evilgeenius | stew: then what is the point in the memory figures in top if they don't really mean anything? |
| 10:49.18 | stew | evilgeenius: the ones at the top of top? |
| 10:49.24 | evilgeenius | stew: yeah |
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| 10:49.31 | stew | evilgeenius: they do mean something, they are the same numbers I asked for originally |
| 10:49.42 | stew | evilgeenius: you just have to know to keep the size of buffers and cache in mind |
| 10:49.55 | shifty | evilgeenius: every tool is dangerous in the hands of the under-educated! |
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| 10:50.22 | pcb_ | hi, i'm trying to get a wlanstick working using wpa_supplicant, but somehow it fails while trying to connect to the network: http://pastebin.com/dHjDnja9 are the settings in wpa_supplicant.conf ok? |
| 10:50.26 | evilgeenius | 78 out of 256 just seems too good though... |
| 10:50.32 | stew | evilgeenius: you should really see what this looks like under load, but I'd guess I'd probably be recommending you actually increase the amount of memory mysql is using |
| 10:50.36 | Led_Zeppelin | to setup multicast I need to have a route to me eth device, correct? |
| 10:50.49 | stew | evilgeenius: note that mysql is partially swapped right now |
| 10:51.29 | evilgeenius | stew: how can you tell its swapped? |
| 10:52.08 | evilgeenius | I'll use httperf to test the webserver and see how the figures change... |
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| 10:54.07 | stew | evilgeenius: comparing vsz to rss in the ps output |
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| 10:58.48 | johntramp | hi. I am downloading a file by buffering a video in adobe flash player, then grabbing the /tmp/FLASHXXNzhEAL file once it has completed buffering. Is there a way I can find out the URL for this file, so I can download it directly? |
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| 11:06.29 | qq- | save time by: cp /tmp/FLASHXXNzhEAL /home/$User/myvideo |
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| 11:09.00 | johntramp | qq-: no, i want to be able to download with something like aria2c or wget, so it isn't as slow as waiting for it to buffer |
| 11:09.59 | amphi | johntramp: depends on the site |
| 11:10.17 | johntramp | http://www.acrobaticsports.tv it is this |
| 11:10.22 | Posterdati | hi |
| 11:10.38 | johntramp | so those keepvid like addons won't support it |
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| 11:10.43 | amphi | I know nothing about it - you must look at the source of the page for the flv url |
| 11:10.50 | Posterdati | please is there a way to make a live debian cd/dvd to run an application? |
| 11:10.51 | themill | johntramp: in the past I've fiddled with tcpdump or wireshark to do that. It's not the greatest approach to doing it |
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| 11:12.18 | johntramp | ok |
| 11:12.32 | johntramp | maybe ill just have to keep doing it this way |
| 11:12.38 | johntramp | waiting for it to buffer |
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| 11:26.54 | Posterdati | please is there a way to make a live debian cd/dvd to run an application? |
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| 11:30.49 | Posterdati | please is there a way to make a live debian cd/dvd to run an application? |
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| 11:37.05 | abrotman | Posterdati: there's something called bootcd also .. it lets you create a bootable livecd from a running system |
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| 11:42.44 | Posterdati | abrotman: I need to realize a bootable linux cd just to execute my application :) |
| 11:42.55 | abrotman | okay |
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| 11:44.58 | f8l | Posterdati: GParted has such thing, so it is possible. I don't know how though. |
| 11:46.23 | Posterdati | f8l, abrotman: thanks |
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| 11:49.42 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | Is there an alternate for "apt-cdrom" for using an usb pendrive as the source which contains the iso of the Debian installer |
| 11:50.01 | f8l | Posterdati: I think It is just a normal live-cd with a window manager, and preconfigured autostart or with a custom init scripts. |
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| 11:50.14 | sekon | sh4d3sl4y3r_: mount iso as loopback and then use apt-cdrom |
| 11:50.16 | Posterdati | f8l: yes |
| 11:50.24 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | ok |
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| 11:50.39 | sekon | any one know know how to install libscf on debian squeeze |
| 11:51.51 | f8l | sekon: It's not in the repos, right? Probably you need to build it from source. |
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| 11:56.43 | abrotman | sekon: there is a perl library for SCF .. what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 11:57.11 | pcb_ | push up: hi, i'm trying to get a wlanstick working using wpa_supplicant, but somehow it fails while trying to connect to the network: http://pastebin.com/dHjDnja9 are the settings in wpa_supplicant.conf ok? Additional information: the firmware of the wlan-stick seems to be faulty on ix86 computers, on the arm box it seems to work (Ralink rt2870) |
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| 11:57.49 | abrotman | pcb_: your kernel version might help us also 'uname -r' |
| 11:58.02 | jamesstanley | I moved my computer to where I now live, and ALSA has stopped working. /proc/asound/{cards,devices} looks normal to me, but i could be wrong. http://pastebin.com/xhK5Frm7 |
| 11:58.15 | themill | sekon: SCF is a rather overloaded acronym. I read that and think Self-Consistent Field theory, but I imagine that's not what you're looking for... |
| 11:58.15 | pcb_ | 2.6.35.5-spca1528 |
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| 11:58.53 | abrotman | is that really what it says? |
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| 11:59.10 | abrotman | did you build that kernel? |
| 11:59.26 | pcb_ | that's a customized kernel for the arm box i'm using and i didn't build it on my own |
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| 12:00.42 | abrotman | but you said it works on arm, fails on x86? |
| 12:00.53 | pcb_ | on the ix86 i'm using (ubuntu: 2.6.32-34 generic ) and debian: 2.6.32-5-686 both machines failed on iwlist scanning: "no network found" |
| 12:01.33 | pcb_ | hm, i meant it seems to work on the arm but i can't connect to the network... |
| 12:01.48 | pcb_ | (iwlist scanning works on the arm, on the ix86 it doesn't) |
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| 12:12.39 | cast | is there a way to tell a box to not start any mdadm arrays, there's one that's started to rebuild but that i do not want to continue to rebuild |
| 12:13.33 | abrotman | can't you take it offline? |
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| 12:14.06 | jamesstanley | ALSA has no soundcards listed, but if I write to /dev/dsp, sound is produced |
| 12:14.08 | cast | well, if it comes online when the host is booting there will be a while before i can get to a promt to stop it |
| 12:14.16 | jamesstanley | Well, /proc/asound/cards lists a card, but aplay -l doesn't |
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| 12:15.33 | jamesstanley | Ah. "sudo aplay -l" does list cards, so I've added myself to the audio group |
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| 12:16.32 | pcb_ | hm, abrotman, if that message was to me: no, i'm connected via ssh to the arm (so if i unplug the cable i don't see whats going on any more) |
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| 12:17.32 | jamesstanley | Being in the audio group sorted my sound |
| 12:17.59 | abrotman | pcb_: nope, not for you |
| 12:18.05 | abrotman | pcb_: what' |
| 12:18.12 | abrotman | pcb_: what's the error when you load the module for the device? |
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| 12:19.50 | pcb_ | abrotman, there's no error, the modules are fine |
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| 12:23.10 | krion | how can i fill up all my ram ? |
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| 12:23.41 | cast | krion: it's full. |
| 12:23.55 | krion | in order to stress my computer |
| 12:24.04 | jelly | krion: what are you really trying to accomplish? |
| 12:24.28 | krion | i got one gateway who's not responding from time to time |
| 12:24.43 | krion | i try to eventually locate the problem |
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| 12:25.13 | jelly | krion: which debian release does this gateway run? |
| 12:25.44 | krion | you don't want to know :) |
| 12:26.34 | krion | it's running etch, with patched kernel and some backports |
| 12:26.52 | krion | but i'm not sure that the trouble isn't material related |
| 12:27.13 | shifty | would "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/shm/bigfile bs=1000 count=1000" achieve what krion wants? |
| 12:27.17 | krion | as there is no "dump kernel" when the gateway become inaccessible |
| 12:27.48 | krion | shifty: looks like not |
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| 12:28.16 | abrotman | krion: fill it up with what? |
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| 12:29.02 | krion | random stuff, i try to make it crash |
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| 12:29.21 | krion | i made it running 4 hours longs with 10.0 load average |
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| 12:30.03 | krion | i'm kind of sure it's sort of related to the number of pppol2tp that is running on it |
| 12:30.20 | abrotman | tried using a remotel syslog? |
| 12:30.31 | ElDeablo | Bom dia! |
| 12:30.58 | krion | i got one, also got conserver in order to log stdout |
| 12:31.10 | krion | no usable info in it |
| 12:31.28 | krion | for that specific machine i mean, conserver help me on another one |
| 12:32.02 | qwd | I've installed gnupg2 and I'm getting a dependency warning when trying to purge gnupg. Should I keep both gnupg and gnupg2 isntalled? |
| 12:32.22 | shifty | krion: do a "top -b -n1" during high load and go over it carefully should identify your issue |
| 12:32.33 | abrotman | qwd: pastebin ? |
| 12:33.17 | qwd | abrotman: http://debian.pastebin.com/yfNSiYnW |
| 12:34.54 | abrotman | qwd: removing apt is probably a bad idea |
| 12:35.43 | abrotman | and that's not a 'gnupg | gnupg2' .. so yes, you'll have to leave gnupg and gnupg2 installed |
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| 12:36.10 | qwd | abrotman: alright, thanks! |
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| 12:44.43 | krion | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:44.45 | krion | i win :) |
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| 12:58.44 | scifiguy | getting wierd behavior on my laptop, after inactivity when the screen would normally blank on other OSs, it either fades white in a grid of blobs, or i get random colored vertical streaks |
| 12:58.59 | scifiguy | http://pastebin.com/uL82xuAq is my xorg.conf |
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| 12:59.11 | scifiguy | generated with Xorg -configure |
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| 13:04.26 | magyarlatin | Hello everyone |
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| 13:17.11 | EduardeCalibal | Hi. I have a problem with Nautilys... When I insert a CD ou usb device Nautilus dont update the list... |
| 13:17.25 | EduardeCalibal | But, if I manual mount in terminal, the list of devices appear. |
| 13:17.34 | EduardeCalibal | ...or if I restart hal. |
| 13:18.36 | EduardeCalibal | I need a guide about whole process between the new media appear and the nautilus mount it. Someone know a good point to start this search? |
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| 13:18.43 | abrotman | is your user in the plugdev group? |
| 13:18.50 | EduardeCalibal | Moment. |
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| 13:19.08 | EduardeCalibal | Yes. |
| 13:19.25 | EduardeCalibal | And CDROM to... |
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| 13:20.19 | EduardeCalibal | I think I dont have some daemon task running. One with the task to see new devices and update nautilus list. |
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| 13:22.11 | qwd | EduardeCalibal: look at nautilus -> preferences -> media perhaps? |
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| 13:22.20 | EduardeCalibal | Moment. |
| 13:22.49 | EduardeCalibal | All is ok here. |
| 13:22.58 | EduardeCalibal | All is with the option "ask" |
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| 13:25.27 | EduardeCalibal | If I run gnome-volume-properties I dont locate options to usb devices... Like pendriver. |
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| 13:25.46 | tapoxi | Hey all, I have a neat little Alix 2D3 board with a 1 GB CF card - no video. Is there any image of Debian I can put on that card that I can then configure through telnet/ssh/serial? |
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| 13:26.30 | WillieNL | hmmzz |
| 13:26.34 | airtonarantes | Hello guys, my debian hasn't sudoers file in /etc, and I'm using backuppc to do backups of my servers, I need to give to the backuppc user the power of root only to the command rsync. does anyone here can help me? |
| 13:26.42 | WillieNL | is there any howto for debian lenny to build vanilla 2.6.35 kernels ? |
| 13:27.10 | stew | airtonarantes: aptitude install sudo |
| 13:27.19 | WillieNL | build it on an gentoo basic setup without issues.. when build that kernel from an debian lenny setup it loads and no output from the kernel... |
| 13:27.38 | WillieNL | any idea |
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| 13:28.14 | airtonarantes | stew i have tried this, but the sudoers file isn't created |
| 13:28.40 | stew | airtonarantes: the sudo package is definately installed? if so: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 13:28.57 | airtonarantes | stew:can I create manually? |
| 13:29.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | visudo it |
| 13:29.03 | stew | airtonarantes: yes, but use visudo |
| 13:29.29 | WillieNL | anyone here who had problems on debian lenny building vanilla kernels ? |
| 13:29.36 | airtonarantes | [stew]: I'll check it out |
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| 13:32.52 | abrotman | WillieNL: there is a .32 in backports.org if that would work ? |
| 13:33.02 | abrotman | WillieNL: but otherwise, what isn't working ? |
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| 13:37.53 | WillieNL | abrotman: thnx for not ignoring my question, but i`m not running regulair hardware so i have to compile the kernel anyway.. point is i`m 2 weeks busy and have no clue why only on debian lenny setups my kernel builds do fail 9 out of 10 times .. |
| 13:38.15 | WillieNL | abrotman: basic problem description.. kernel builds fine.. boot the kernel.. nothing happend no error nothing |
| 13:38.51 | WillieNL | same kernel at an other distro just works but the customer want debian.. so i do like to give him an kernel including sources in case he need to add or remove anything later |
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| 13:40.33 | arny91x | @WillieNL: I was thinking to recompile kernel on debian but i haven't done yet. I was reading a howto to do that on http://e-zine.debianizzati.org/web-zine/numero_1/?page=90. (It is in italian language, sorry). In this howto is written that on debian you should do further things like downloading libncurses5,fakeroot and kernel-package and the debian kernel patches that you found at http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=all§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=n |
| 13:40.33 | arny91x | ames&keywords=linux-patch |
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| 13:42.05 | abrotman | WillieNL: what is so weird about the hardware? the building fails or the booting fails? |
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| 13:42.30 | abrotman | WillieNL: does the regular lenny kernel boot, and you just want something newer/fixed? Have you tried starting with the lenny config and paring it down? |
| 13:42.46 | WillieNL | iirc build fails without any notice.. kernel loads and nothing happend |
| 13:43.25 | WillieNL | abrotman: the system is not like regulair server or desktop so it wont run any lenny kernel by default untill it has been recompiled to fit the system specs |
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| 13:43.58 | WillieNL | abrotman: if i rebuild the 2.6.26 lenny kernel it do work indeed but then noway wireless will ever gona work with broken wifi support |
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| 13:44.39 | abrotman | WillieNL: what chipset is the wifi device? is there perhaps a way to shoehorn that driver in? |
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| 13:45.06 | arny91x | what hardware are you recompiling the kernel on? |
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| 13:45.53 | WillieNL | ok my time is limited i have to go in 5 min just wanted to know what can be the reason of nothing happend when booting the kernel |
| 13:46.11 | abrotman | WillieNL: does it stop somewhere? at a certain point? perhaps a bad initramfs? |
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| 13:47.20 | WillieNL | abrotman: no it load and nothing happend |
| 13:47.26 | WillieNL | not even the kernel header output |
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| 13:47.34 | WillieNL | afther the boot loader it stops |
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| 13:47.51 | jelly | WillieNL: could be anything really. It's especially weird if you used the very same kernel binary that worked on gentoo |
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| 13:48.03 | WillieNL | and qwithout any message i dunno why this happend but did isolate this issue back till it do this only when build it from the debian setup |
| 13:48.17 | WillieNL | ok i stop explaining this |
| 13:48.25 | WillieNL | everybody have some kind of idea and totaly wrong |
| 13:48.29 | WillieNL | no |
| 13:48.54 | WillieNL | wget fromkernel.org ->: tar -> cionfig -?> make -?> install -> reboot nothing happend |
| 13:48.56 | WillieNL | like that |
| 13:49.05 | WillieNL | done the same on gentoo setup it just works at one shot |
| 13:49.49 | WillieNL | bbl have to go to an appointment, also hope my customer will agree with not using debian and go centos or rhel or something that have atleast some more current kernel headers then ancient 2.6.11 |
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| 13:50.45 | abrotman | huh ? |
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| 13:51.09 | abrotman | it can't be "nothing" .. does the bootloader appear? does it try to uncompress the kernel? |
| 13:51.20 | abrotman | is it starting the frame buffer and causing problems? |
| 13:51.53 | WillieNL | abrotman: in 9 minutes i have to be at my appointment and today i had to ship this system back to the customer.. |
| 13:51.59 | abrotman | and debian does NOT have a 2.6.11 anywhere in the repos for any current systems |
| 13:52.05 | abrotman | and i asked you if the .32 in backports.org was good enough |
| 13:52.08 | WillieNL | again bootloader decompress the kernel loads kernel and then it stalls nothing happend |
| 13:52.17 | abrotman | does the disk thrash? or the whole thing stops? |
| 13:52.24 | themill | abrotman: not everyone wants to be helped, some would rather make snide remarks and not provide any useful information. |
| 13:52.30 | WillieNL | abrotman: last time i did check gcc it had 2.6.11 headers on lenny that was 4 weeks ago |
| 13:52.44 | dkr | judd: versions linux-headers-2.6-686 |
| 13:52.46 | judd | Package linux-headers-2.6-686 on i386 -- etch: 2.6.18+6etch3; etch-security: 2.6.18+6etch3; etch-backports: 2.6.26+17~bpo40+2; lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.6.32+27~bpo50+1; sid: 2.6.32+28; squeeze: 2.6.32+28 |
| 13:52.47 | abrotman | WillieNL: you're just lying now .. have a good day .. good luck with your customer |
| 13:52.49 | stew | WillieNL: those are userspace headers, not the kernel headers |
| 13:52.54 | WillieNL | themill: i do want to be helpen and wana know why this happend explain your response |
| 13:53.08 | WillieNL | helped. |
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| 13:53.28 | WillieNL | this is help ? |
| 13:53.40 | WillieNL | ok thnx cause my system is not like regulair nohelp.. |
| 13:53.57 | WillieNL | problem is kernel no output.. and i dunno why if i did know why i was able to fix this |
| 13:54.03 | stew | WillieNL: the 2.6.11 version on that headers you saw is not related directly to the 2.6.11 kernel version, those are not kernelspace headers, those are headers for userspace tools that want to interface with the kernel |
| 13:54.06 | abrotman | we're asking you questions to try to get more information .. and you're not exactly giving us much |
| 13:54.28 | WillieNL | brb my appointment |
| 13:54.34 | stew | WillieNL: any debian kernel package which is in a released version of debian would have a headers package with the same version |
| 13:55.07 | WillieNL | stew: all i need to do it install debian lenny on an cobalt qube3 450mhz amd k6 system with 512mb ram.. |
| 13:55.13 | stew | WillieNL: and if you use the debian tools for building kernels (namely make-kpkg from the kernel-package package, it would be easy to create the corresponding headers package |
| 13:55.29 | WillieNL | stew: compiling the kernel on there take a long time and then fail 4 times is not funny when it take 2.5 hours each build |
| 13:55.46 | abrotman | WillieNL: do you know which chipset the wifi device uses? is that the only reason you can't use a lenny stock kernel? |
| 13:55.51 | WillieNL | stew: all i know is the regulair vanilla kernel style building.. untar menuconfig make |
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| 13:56.19 | WillieNL | wifi ath5k based and want newer kernel for issues fixed afther 2.6.26 |
| 13:56.31 | WillieNL | ok now i have 4 minutes to drive real fast bbl |
| 13:56.35 | stew | WillieNL: have you tried the backported 2.6.32 kernel? |
| 13:56.41 | WillieNL | please notice me or wat every i`ll come back at this |
| 13:56.59 | WillieNL | stew: it is not able to boot that kernel iirc it is precompiled |
| 13:57.13 | stew | WillieNL: yes, it is precompiled. you tried it? |
| 13:57.15 | WillieNL | also i can not use 2.6.32 for this system die nvram driver.. |
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| 13:57.24 | WillieNL | it cant boot precompiled 5 times i said this |
| 13:57.25 | WillieNL | bbl |
| 13:57.42 | stew | i don't know how one would boot a kernel that wasn't compiled |
| 13:58.11 | abrotman | he said the lenny kernel worked fine except the wifi |
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| 13:58.33 | hundfred | hi, i need to run aptitude update && aptitude upgrade usinge a ipv4 connection. since my network interface still is pretending to have a ipv6 connect, aptitude tries to connect via ipv6 and gets stucked ... |
| 13:58.34 | abrotman | if he rebuilds it .. which doesn't really make sense .. |
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| 13:59.25 | WillieNL | stew: i`m tolate already thanx for making me explaining 10 times the same thing.. that system wont boot via grub or lilo.. it need an kernel max size 1.8M without initrd thats why i need to recompile the kernel and need kernel sources |
| 14:00.00 | WillieNL | stew: and i have tested the debian way of upgrading the kernel with 2.6.26 using own config that did work yes but not when i take the vanilla sources from kernel.org |
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| 14:00.05 | WillieNL | then the kernel have no output |
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| 14:00.54 | stew | WillieNL: sorry to bother you, good luck |
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| 14:01.26 | abrotman | didn't realize anyone still used cobalt systems |
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| 14:01.43 | WillieNL | stew: also sorry for my attitude but i hate to say 10 times the same stuff and just wana know why something happend so i can digg the issue |
| 14:02.20 | themill | WillieNL: it's impossible for anyone to tell you what you did wrong with your config if you refuse to supply details. Good luck digging. |
| 14:02.23 | WillieNL | before i ask i do not even expect any reply as normal in those channels if it is going diffrent it is nice but mosthly when the hardware is a bit older people will ignore the issue :S |
| 14:02.24 | stew | wonder what bootloader he's using |
| 14:02.28 | stew | syslinux maybe |
| 14:02.55 | WillieNL | themill: i did give the details read and i have to go this is pointless i`m tolate etc etc etc |
| 14:03.04 | WillieNL | just dropt the question kernel load and no output |
| 14:03.09 | WillieNL | same .config on other box works |
| 14:03.30 | themill | WillieNL: how do you expect us to offer any suggestions if that's the sum total of what you're going to tell us? |
| 14:03.34 | WillieNL | somewhere in debian is not right.. and i wana know wat i need to update. |
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| 14:04.22 | WillieNL | themill: is there any howto for 2.6.35 on debian ? if so i`ll try and hope it will not result in the same.. iirc i have to update the kernel headers but not shure also google did not result in an solution |
| 14:04.59 | WillieNL | themill: hardware cobalt qube3 wiki have specs wifi atheros something that works with ath5k and madwifi .. |
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| 14:05.20 | WillieNL | themill: kernel from kernel.org 2.6.35.3 |
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| 14:05.29 | themill | gives up |
| 14:05.30 | WillieNL | iirc 12th time i say this |
| 14:05.37 | WillieNL | ok bbl |
| 14:05.44 | WillieNL | thnx for whasting my time themill |
| 14:05.50 | stew | likewise |
| 14:05.54 | WillieNL | ask wat you wana know |
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| 14:05.59 | abrotman | You know what I got out of that conversation? |
| 14:06.12 | WillieNL | that i have no time right now ok thnx all |
| 14:06.13 | abrotman | WillieNL: i asked you a few questions, and you never answered them |
| 14:06.25 | abrotman | Good luck with your client. |
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| 14:07.01 | jpinx-eeepc | sheeesh - is this a paid service now? |
| 14:07.55 | valdyn | paypal only, 30$ per question |
| 14:08.28 | jpinx-eeepc | cheapskate :p |
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| 14:09.34 | daedhel | hi! I'm having a huge problem, my dpkg/apt is borked and wont do anything because of this lib that wont upgrade: libstdc++6_4.4.4-17 |
| 14:09.37 | daedhel | error codes: |
| 14:09.39 | daedhel | http://ompldr.org/vNW56cw |
| 14:09.59 | WillieNL | abrotman you and themill did ask the same questions also wrong questions.. thnx for making fun |
| 14:10.11 | WillieNL | and i did reply those questions |
| 14:10.17 | daedhel | halp please |
| 14:10.20 | abrotman | no, i asked different questions .. that you ignored |
| 14:10.25 | WillieNL | like ? |
| 14:10.29 | abrotman | go see your client |
| 14:10.34 | WillieNL | abrotman: your really irritating me.. |
| 14:10.37 | abrotman | you're |
| 14:10.50 | abrotman | daedhel: which version of debian are you trying to run? squeeze or sid? |
| 14:10.56 | WillieNL | please write down those questions on paste bin and i`ll reply them there here you wont read |
| 14:11.04 | daedhel | abrotman: sid |
| 14:11.22 | abrotman | WillieNL: have a nice day .. |
| 14:11.22 | valdyn | daedhel: more like your gunzip is broken |
| 14:11.27 | WillieNL | it can not run the binairy kernel from the package manager for the info |
| 14:11.37 | abrotman | daedhel: or your package is corrupt, though the md5sum should fail though |
| 14:11.43 | daedhel | valdyn: hmmm nice. any hint on how to repair that ? |
| 14:11.53 | valdyn | daedhel: restore from backup? |
| 14:11.56 | abrotman | or perhaps a media error |
| 14:12.02 | daedhel | abrotman: I have removed the faulty package from the cache, and redownloaded it |
| 14:12.13 | daedhel | same problem |
| 14:12.30 | valdyn | daedhel: errors listed in dmesg? |
| 14:12.39 | stew | daedhel: what versions of dpkg and gzip packages are installed? |
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| 14:12.59 | daedhel | valdyn: you mean the gzip bin would be broken? I could use one of yours then perhaps? |
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| 14:13.08 | daedhel | valdyn: 1 min |
| 14:13.13 | abrotman | gives stereonaut whikas |
| 14:13.19 | daedhel | stew: 1 min |
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| 14:13.31 | valdyn | daedhel: it could be broken, or the archive or your computer hardware |
| 14:14.34 | daedhel | valdyn: dmesg : http://ompldr.org/vNW56dA |
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| 14:16.43 | daedhel | steffen-: can you tell me how to find the installed version? I don't know aptitude very well |
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| 14:16.52 | daedhel | stew: ^ |
| 14:17.24 | stew | daedhel: dpkg -l dpkg gzip |
| 14:17.40 | stew | daedhel: though running sid while not knowing how to do stuff like this is a bit of a red flag :) |
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| 14:18.57 | daedhel | stew: dpkg and gzip versions http://ompldr.org/vNW56dg |
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| 14:19.28 | daedhel | stew: i just got in Sid, i was using Arch previously and got bored with it |
| 14:19.33 | iceroot | how to get the processname running on a specific port? |
| 14:20.00 | EduardeCalibal | I already seek the same thing... Moment. |
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| 14:21.09 | karlpinc | iceroot: Perhaps you're looking for "netstat -l" (or -lt)? |
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| 14:21.35 | arny91x | could someone help me? i've installed debian lenny 5.0.6 on a pc. when i try to launch a system application in gnome gksu ends with an "authentication failure" error. Are there open bugs on gksu or linux-pam, or other applications on which gksu relies? |
| 14:22.01 | EduardeCalibal | fuser comand |
| 14:22.06 | EduardeCalibal | fuser 80/tcp |
| 14:22.12 | iceroot | karlpinc: tcp 0 0 *:6670 *:* LISTEN |
| 14:22.25 | iceroot | karlpinc: its showing me that and i dont know what it is (nmap is telling me irc) |
| 14:23.08 | daedhel | no one has an idea about my borked gzip/dpkg ? |
| 14:23.09 | karlpinc | It's telling you some program is listening for connections on tcp port 6670. |
| 14:23.16 | EduardeCalibal | iceroot, fuser worked? |
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| 14:23.34 | iceroot | EduardeCalibal: 6670/tcp: 3497 |
| 14:23.41 | EduardeCalibal | Process 3497 |
| 14:23.52 | iceroot | EduardeCalibal: ah its the pid, thank you |
| 14:23.57 | EduardeCalibal | :D |
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| 14:24.41 | arny91x | i also can't "su root" from gnome terminal, but i can do that from tty1-6 |
| 14:25.05 | karlpinc | iceroot: lsof is a related command. |
| 14:25.06 | daedhel | stew: will I have to reinstall ? |
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| 14:26.07 | karlpinc | iceroot, EduardeCalibal : fuser does indeed seem to be the right choice. |
| 14:26.21 | EduardeCalibal | Is a option. |
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| 14:26.27 | stew | daedhel: i doubt it. i'd try unpacking the .deb by hand to see if that works, if not, i'd try with an older version of the package giving you trouble |
| 14:26.45 | daedhel | stew: nice idea |
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| 14:27.02 | daedhel | stew: i 'll try usign an older version, since I know how to do that |
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| 14:29.19 | iceroot | karlpinc: yes, fuser 6670/tcp and the result in a ps aux | grep was showing me the info i wanted. thank you |
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| 14:32.24 | stew | daedhel: the newer version unpacks fine for me. what does "md5sum /var/cache/apt/archives/libstdc++6_4.4.4-17_i386.deb" return for you? |
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| 14:34.06 | karlpinc | I'm curious. Does dmm do security updates (say, [oCERT-2010-004] FFmpeg/libavcodec arbitrary offset dereference)? |
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| 14:37.55 | arny91x | nobody here uses lenny? |
| 14:38.20 | stew | arny91x: most people do, i'm sure |
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| 14:39.20 | arny91x | and the su login from the graphic environment (gksu) works to all people? |
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| 14:39.47 | stew | arny91x: what happens when you try to run "su" from gnome-terminal? do you get an error? |
| 14:39.55 | SPF | I usually only use sudo |
| 14:40.01 | arny91x | yes, i get authentication failure |
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| 14:40.30 | stew | arny91x: check /var/log/auth.log to see if you see an error |
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| 14:41.09 | stew | arny91x: are you positive that you have the right password and are typing it correctly? (keeping in mind that your x keyboard mapping may differ from the tty1-6 ttys |
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| 14:41.52 | arny91x | yes, the keyboard is ok |
| 14:42.37 | arny91x | i'll post the log briefly |
| 14:43.23 | karlpinc | SPF: My problem with sudo is that, as generally configured, it means that only one password is required to get root. (Which is significant if you've minimally secured your box by disallowing ssh as root.) |
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| 14:44.06 | shifty | arny91x: check profile preferences in gnome-terminal, especially the compatibility tab? |
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| 14:44.55 | shifty | arny91x: (that's a long shot - maybe if you are using odd keys) |
| 14:44.56 | Kyoku | anyone know if there is a way to get the x-forwarded-for ip into .htaccess so i can apply rules to it? |
| 14:46.22 | stew | Kyoku: you can access it with mod-rewrite |
| 14:46.38 | arny91x | backspace generates ascii del characher |
| 14:46.59 | xyan | shifty: how about %{HTTP:X-Forwarded-For} ? |
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| 14:47.14 | arny91x | and del generates an escape sequence |
| 14:47.46 | stew | arny91x: does it work for other x terminals? |
| 14:48.21 | stew | xyan: that's for mod_rewrite, right? or is it useful some other way? |
| 14:48.50 | syn4pse | some1 here using nxserver and cna quickly tell me what to change to allow connections for more then two users ? |
| 14:48.52 | xyan | stew: yes modrewrite, just noticed that should go to Kyoku instead |
| 14:49.01 | Kyoku | stew: i don't see x-forwarded-for in the mod_rewrite docs |
| 14:49.10 | Kyoku | xyna that's for logs |
| 14:49.38 | xyan | Kyoku: thats a variable for a RewriteCond |
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| 14:50.31 | Kyoku | xyan hmm ok, maybe can do something with that then |
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| 14:51.04 | stew | Kyoku: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_rewrite.html#rewritecond look at number 4 for HTTP:header |
| 14:51.13 | arny91x | just tried on xterm, it doesn't work |
| 14:51.14 | shifty | arny91x: could also have something to do with your gnome language settings. i second stew's question re check other x terminal |
| 14:51.37 | stew | arny91x: you are using the command "su" and are typing the root password, not your password, right? |
| 14:51.48 | daedhel | stew: i just downloaded the pacage and installed it manually. it worked |
| 14:51.48 | arny91x | of course |
| 14:51.56 | daedhel | stew: thanks a lot |
| 14:52.34 | stew | arny91x: and in tty1-6, you are doing the same? login as normal use, then run "su" in that user's shell? |
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| 14:53.06 | darthanubis | http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi2256077849/ |
| 14:53.13 | darthanubis | can you guys view this trailer? |
| 14:53.19 | arny91x | from tty i can be root using su |
| 14:53.26 | darthanubis | and which plugin are you using to do so please? |
| 14:53.36 | arny91x | or just loggin in as root |
| 14:53.49 | xyan | darthanubis: yes ff + flash10 |
| 14:54.00 | stew | arny91x: can you login as non-root and use su to root? |
| 14:54.01 | darthanubis | I have flash installed |
| 14:54.05 | arny91x | yes |
| 14:54.06 | stew | arny91x: what does "ls -l $(which su)" return? |
| 14:54.11 | darthanubis | weird |
| 14:54.19 | darthanubis | I can view youtube and everything |
| 14:54.24 | darthanubis | just not imdb |
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| 14:54.48 | darthanubis | did you try that link or that is a guess? |
| 14:54.54 | xyan | darthanubis: do you get the right click flashplugin menu and the rest stays black? |
| 14:55.05 | arny91x | -rwsr-x-r-x root root 27108 14 nov 2009 /bin/su |
| 14:55.18 | darthanubis | xyan, no menu |
| 14:55.30 | stew | arny91x: what does "type su" say in the gnome-terminal? |
| 14:55.38 | stew | arny91x: did you check auth.log? i'm running out of ideas |
| 14:55.45 | xyan | darthanubis: any flashblock adblock stuff? |
| 14:56.05 | darthanubis | adblock for ff is turned off for imdb |
| 14:56.09 | darthanubis | I thought the same as well |
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| 14:56.37 | shifty | stew: it has to be some kind of translation issue |
| 14:56.38 | xyan | darthanubis: /me shrugs |
| 14:57.31 | shifty | arny91x: stew: what about changing the password to something really simple? |
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| 14:59.27 | arny91x | it works |
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| 15:00.05 | arny91x | i changed the password |
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| 15:00.42 | Empis | hello, is there any way to get mulitple IP-addresses with diffrent MAC-addresses on the same interface? |
| 15:00.49 | Empis | via DHCP |
| 15:00.56 | arny91x | but why can't be used a long alphanumeric password? |
| 15:01.13 | shifty | arny91x: eeek, didn't expect that to actually work! |
| 15:01.57 | arny91x | here's the log |
| 15:02.24 | arny91x | Sep 28 16:49:52 p2bfmule su[3446]: pam_unix(su:auth): authentication failure; logname=arny91 uid=1000 euid=0 tty=pts/3 ruser=arny91 rhost= user=root |
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| 15:02.37 | arny91x | Sep 28 16:49:54 p2bfmule su[3446]: pam_authenticate: Authentication failure |
| 15:02.46 | arny91x | Sep 28 16:49:54 p2bfmule su[3446]: FAILED su for root by arny91 |
| 15:02.58 | arny91x | Sep 28 16:49:54 p2bfmule su[3446]: - pts/3 arny91:root |
| 15:03.01 | stew | arny91x: if one password works but not another, you must have been entering the password incorrectly |
| 15:03.11 | darthanubis | I just uninstalled mozplugger and chrome plays the videos now |
| 15:03.12 | petemc | Empis: how do you get a nic to have multiple mac addresses? |
| 15:03.15 | darthanubis | but still not ff |
| 15:03.47 | Empis | petemc: hwaddr ether 01:23:45:67:89:ab ? |
| 15:03.51 | arny91x | but i'm sure the old password was typed right |
| 15:03.59 | petemc | Empis: ok, thats one, and to add more? |
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| 15:04.24 | Empis | petemc: huh= |
| 15:04.25 | Empis | ? |
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| 15:04.28 | Dovid | how. what does this error mean and how do I fix it ? manconv: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct |
| 15:04.39 | shifty | arny91x: change it back. |
| 15:04.54 | xyan | Dovid: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 15:05.52 | shifty | stew: mind, if the pwd can be entered in a terminal but not in the GUI, then it seems the colour of the screen is affecting pwd entering ability ;-) |
| 15:06.12 | akio | How would I find out when a deb was installed? |
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| 15:07.08 | xyan | akio: theres no date tracking afaik, but you can take a look at /var/log/apt/* or /var/log/aptitude |
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| 15:07.17 | adv_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:07.22 | akio | thanks xyan |
| 15:07.24 | arny91x | done |
| 15:07.28 | xyan | adv_: yep |
| 15:07.33 | adv_ | thansk |
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| 15:08.44 | arny91x | maybe i found the solution |
| 15:09.01 | arny91x | the caps lock key does not work in vty |
| 15:09.38 | shifty | akio: maybe check the timestamp on /var/cache/apt/archives/, maybe not completely accurate, possibly an indication |
| 15:09.54 | shifty | akio: ok, a hint at best |
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| 15:10.22 | shifty | arny91x: heh, converted my caps to an extra control years ago! |
| 15:11.15 | shifty | arny91x: so, you did an end-to-end test, with your original password and holding down shift as needed? |
| 15:11.39 | akio | /var/cache/apt/archives, is that where all the installed debs are? |
| 15:12.27 | shifty | akio: not quite. recently DOWNLOADED ones, that haven't been purged yet. |
| 15:12.35 | jelly | akio: no, that's just a cache of downloaded packages. They might not have been installed at all, and the cache can be cleaned up at any time regardless of the installed package set. |
| 15:12.39 | shifty | akio: is your "target package" in that directory? |
| 15:12.47 | arny91x | yes, and i realized that only 1 characher was wrong |
| 15:13.00 | stew | and that's all it takes, of course! :) |
| 15:13.24 | jelly | akio: eg. "apt-get clean" only cleans up the contents of that directory without making any changes to the system |
| 15:13.27 | akio | no, I just noticed that there were very few packages in there, I knew I had a minimal system but I was impressed by the low number of debs in there if that was the case. |
| 15:13.32 | arny91x | perhaps my keyboard gets stuck sometimes |
| 15:13.37 | shifty | arny91x: always the way. check out Shibboleth on wikipedia :-) |
| 15:14.07 | akio | wow |
| 15:14.14 | akio | irc + emacs |
| 15:14.22 | jelly | akio: your system doesn't have to keep packages once they're installed |
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| 15:15.32 | akio | I remember seeing the option in the curses aptitude. |
| 15:15.54 | akio | basically apt-get clean |
| 15:16.09 | arny91x | ok, thanks shifty, thanks stew |
| 15:16.23 | stew | :) |
| 15:16.48 | akio | thanks guys, this is always my favorite channel. |
| 15:17.04 | shifty | arny91x: n0 pr0b13ms :-) |
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| 15:20.03 | Janos | hello, anyone knows if there is a channel for the backports project ? |
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| 15:20.53 | stew | Janos: i don't think so |
| 15:21.28 | stew | Janos: if you have an end-user question, we could probably help here. if not, use the mailing list |
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| 15:22.50 | Janos | well the question is simple the new winbind package that was uploaded to backports is broken on lenny, since it depends on a library that is not available for lenny, or rather that version is not available for lenny |
| 15:23.01 | Janos | so where/who should i report this to ? |
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| 15:24.55 | stew | judd: depends winbind --release lenny-backports |
| 15:24.57 | judd | Package winbind -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libcap2 (>= 2.11), libcomerr2 (>= 1.01), libkrb53 (>= 1.6.dfsg.2), libldap-2.4-2 (>= 2.4.7), libpam0g (>= 0.99.7.1), libpopt0 (>= 1.14), libtalloc2 (>= 2.0.0), libwbclient0 (= 2:3.5.5~dfsg-1~bpo50+1), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4), samba-common (= 2:3.5.5~dfsg-1~bpo50+1), lsb-base (>= 3.0-6), adduser, libpam-runtime (>= 1.0.1-6). |
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| 15:25.13 | stew | Janos: which library? |
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| 15:25.32 | Janos | libpam-runtime |
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| 15:25.51 | stew | judd: versions libpam-runtime |
| 15:25.53 | judd | Package libpam-runtime on i386 -- etch: 0.79-5+etch1; lenny: 1.0.1-5+lenny1; sid: 1.1.1-6; squeeze: 1.1.1-6 |
| 15:26.23 | Janos | yup, that's it |
| 15:26.23 | stew | Janos: report it to the mailing list: http://lists.debian.org/debian-backports/ |
| 15:26.27 | Janos | thanks |
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| 15:30.53 | ADjames | My /dev/sda1 is full and i can't seem to track down what's causing it to be so large. Any idea's how do find out? |
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| 15:31.24 | stew | ADjames: where is it mounted? |
| 15:32.01 | ADjames | . / |
| 15:32.14 | stew | ADjames: try "du -kx / | sort -n" |
| 15:32.16 | ADjames | tried searching for files in / that might be causing the issue but can't seem to clear anything that makes a dif. |
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| 15:32.44 | stew | ADjames: that will list both files and directories sorted by size, with the biggest ones at the bottom |
| 15:33.01 | stew | ADjames: perhaps pipe that into a pager |
| 15:33.01 | ADjames | Biggest one is / and /lib |
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| 15:33.29 | stew | well, obviously you need those two. is /lib big becuase you have lots of old kernels around? |
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| 15:34.08 | ADjames | no it's a pretty clean install. |
| 15:34.12 | jelly | likes redirecting du output to a real file, perhaps on a tmpfs, then sorting later |
| 15:34.14 | ADjames | However, ididn't give / any freaking space. |
| 15:34.17 | ADjames | anyway to increase that on the fly? |
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| 15:34.40 | shifty | ADjames: xdiskusage. perfect for the hunt. |
| 15:35.04 | jelly | ADjames: you can't resize the root filesystem online if it's on a real partition. If it were on lvm, things would be different |
| 15:35.34 | ADjames | LVM? |
| 15:36.54 | f8l | ADjames: Or gdmap. |
| 15:36.58 | jelly | a subsystem for storage that enables online growing of block devices |
| 15:37.08 | jelly | !lvm |
| 15:37.08 | dpkg | [lvm] the Linux Logical Volume Manager (http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/). Resources: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/, http://dev.riseup.net/grimoire/storage/lvm2/, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>, <install using lvm>, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410, http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/wiki/ IRC: #lvm on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 15:40.27 | breardo | that lvm info was timed perfectly ;) |
| 15:40.32 | breardo | looking for exactly that |
| 15:40.33 | breardo | thanks :) |
| 15:41.05 | ADjames | when i do du -kx / | sort -n why would /etc show up? |
| 15:41.10 | ADjames | It's not part of the /dev/sda1 |
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| 15:41.20 | stew | ADjames: it must be if /dev/sda1 is really / |
| 15:41.28 | stew | ADjames: /etc has to be part of the root partition |
| 15:41.50 | ADjames | /dev/sda1 327 327 0 100% / |
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| 15:44.27 | stew | ADjames: then yes, /etc should be on /dev/sda1 |
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| 15:45.45 | M`vy | du does not take care of partitions. |
| 15:46.12 | FFForever | How can I figure out why my symlink in /etc/cron.hourly/ is not being executed? |
| 15:46.27 | stew | M`vy: he's using the -x switch, so it does care about partition boundaries |
| 15:46.48 | M`vy | oh.. |
| 15:47.04 | M`vy | my bad |
| 15:47.18 | cusco | FFForever: I really don't know, but I use lines in crontab like @hourly script.sh |
| 15:47.27 | stew | FFForever: what is the name of the symlink? |
| 15:47.39 | FFForever | stew, stats.sh |
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| 15:47.47 | llutz | FFForever: the name mustn't contain . |
| 15:47.54 | FFForever | ahh |
| 15:48.09 | llutz | FFForever: man run-parts |
| 15:48.12 | stew | FFForever: "man run-parts" has the filename restrictions |
| 15:49.27 | FFForever | run-parts: failed to exec /etc/cron.hourly/stats: Exec format error |
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| 16:02.19 | stew | hideki: feel free to msg me if you have something actually on-topic for the channel |
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| 16:22.13 | angel-tsankov | what is the preferred way to save and restore the network configuration? |
| 16:22.29 | stew | angel-tsankov: man 5 interfaces |
| 16:23.02 | angel-tsankov | stew: I read man 5 interfaces |
| 16:23.12 | angel-tsankov | stew: and I encountered a strange case |
| 16:23.52 | angel-tsankov | when I copy the interfaces file to a newly installed debian, then I have to ifdown && ifup the interfaces, right? |
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| 16:24.18 | angel-tsankov | e.g., ifdown eth0 eth1 && ifup eth0 eth1 |
| 16:24.57 | stew | angel-tsankov: possibly. but are you sure ifdown/ifup take multiple arguments like that? |
| 16:25.06 | angel-tsankov | yes |
| 16:25.11 | angel-tsankov | at least, the manpage says so |
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| 16:25.51 | angel-tsankov | stew: the problem is that the network manager overwrites /etc/resolv.conf and erases the nameserver found there |
| 16:26.31 | angel-tsankov | both ifaces use static ip addresses |
| 16:26.54 | stew | angel-tsankov: ifup eth0 would have nothing to do with network-manager |
| 16:27.07 | stew | angel-tsankov: they are configured with static addresses iin /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 16:27.41 | angel-tsankov | yes, they are configured with static addresses in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:28.00 | stew | angel-tsankov: then what did you mean by "network manager"? not the network-manager package? |
| 16:28.13 | stew | angel-tsankov: is resolvconf installed? |
| 16:28.21 | angel-tsankov | I mean /usr/bin/NetworkManager |
| 16:28.25 | angel-tsankov | not it is not |
| 16:28.49 | angel-tsankov | /usr/bin/NetworkManager overwrites /etc/resolv.conf |
| 16:28.50 | stew | angel-tsankov: i don't know how NetworkManager would be involved |
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| 16:29.49 | angel-tsankov | stew: see man 8 networkmanager |
| 16:30.29 | stew | i suppose you should talk to someone that uses network manager then, but aiui, network manager wouldn't have anything to do with interfaces which are statically configured (which I believe should be documented in /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian). and I don't believe that network-manager gets run when doing an ifup anyway |
| 16:30.36 | stew | angel-tsankov: sorry, I don't have it installed |
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| 16:31.59 | cusco | angel-tsankov: you can edit dhclient configuration and prepend your own nameservers, if that is the problem |
| 16:32.06 | cusco | or just chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 16:32.29 | karlpinc | cusco: The latter is a kludge. Better to remove the resolvconf package. |
| 16:32.31 | stew | though he says he's using static addresses, not dhcp |
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| 16:32.39 | stew | and that resolvconf isn't installed |
| 16:33.37 | cusco | I don't have resolvconf package insalled and use that file to set my nameservers |
| 16:33.51 | angel-tsankov | I'm using static addresses and I also run a dhcp server |
| 16:33.59 | angel-tsankov | but not a client on the same machine |
| 16:33.59 | cusco | I also use network manager (it helps on wireless, not editing wpa_suplicant conf all the time) |
| 16:34.23 | stew | cusco: you use that file to set your nameservers becuase, unlike him, you are using dhcp |
| 16:34.37 | cusco | yes ok |
| 16:34.47 | angel-tsankov | my point is to save all my configuration so that when I install debian anew to be able to configure it easily |
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| 16:35.07 | cusco | angel-tsankov: you don't need network-manager thenm do you? |
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| 16:35.20 | cusco | you just need to use /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 16:35.22 | angel-tsankov | cusco, network manager is installed by default |
| 16:35.32 | cusco | :o |
| 16:35.33 | angel-tsankov | and I'm not yet sure if I need it or not |
| 16:35.39 | cusco | not on my debian instalation it is not |
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| 16:36.18 | stew | cusco: becuase you didn't choose the desktop task like he did |
| 16:36.27 | cusco | yea, ok |
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| 16:36.56 | cusco | angel-tsankov: you can just not use network-manager or even uninstall it |
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| 16:37.07 | stew | cusco: how would he not use it? |
| 16:37.09 | cusco | for me it is only handy for wireless connections |
| 16:37.20 | stew | cusco: what would you have him do differently than what he is doing now? |
| 16:37.41 | cusco | network manager would not replace /etc/resolv.conf file |
| 16:37.51 | stew | cusco: how does he accomplish that? |
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| 16:38.03 | cusco | not using network manager! |
| 16:38.06 | angel-tsankov | cusco: I agree with stew -- instead of working around the problem (by uninstalling network amanger) I'd rather solve the problem |
| 16:38.11 | stew | cusco: how does he not use it? |
| 16:38.18 | stew | cusco: what does he do instead of what he's doing now? |
| 16:38.19 | cusco | use interfaces file instead |
| 16:38.23 | stew | cusco: he is |
| 16:38.28 | angel-tsankov | cusco: I do use that file |
| 16:38.29 | cusco | ok |
| 16:38.35 | stew | cusco: he claims this is happening when running ifup |
| 16:38.47 | cusco | right click netowrk manager and tick off "enable netowrking" |
| 16:38.48 | angel-tsankov | stew: I'm not sure what causes this |
| 16:38.51 | cusco | ah |
| 16:38.53 | angel-tsankov | it might be ifup/ifdown |
| 16:38.58 | cusco | sorry, didn't read up enough |
| 16:39.04 | stew | angel-tsankov: how do you know network-manager is the thing responsible? |
| 16:39.48 | cusco | is /etc/resolv.conf starting with: # Generated by NetworkManager |
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| 16:40.15 | angel-tsankov | well, first, the /etc/resolv.conf file say that in the beginning and, second, man networkmanager confirms that networkmanager does acquire name servers when 'it sees fit' |
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| 16:40.57 | angel-tsankov | man networkmanager say: '[...] and change nameserver whenever it sees fit' |
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| 16:41.36 | cusco | so why not "unuse" network manager? |
| 16:41.47 | angel-tsankov | cusco: this is not a solution |
| 16:42.03 | cusco | in your point of view, you mean. Ok |
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| 16:42.29 | angel-tsankov | stew: take a look here: http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager, if you dont have the manpage for network manager |
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| 16:42.48 | angel-tsankov | cusco: I'd like to have a more generic solution |
| 16:42.52 | cusco | it seems that ifupdown is used as a plugin in network-manager |
| 16:42.59 | angel-tsankov | really? |
| 16:43.04 | angel-tsankov | how did you know this |
| 16:43.15 | cusco | well you're stating that the problem is ifup |
| 16:43.27 | cusco | so disabling integration with n-m should help? |
| 16:43.47 | angel-tsankov | cusco, I'm not sure if it is ifup, the problem happens after I replace the orifinal interfaces file and do ifdown && ifup on the interfaces |
| 16:44.09 | NOMADICUS | Hello, I am trying to configure a usb drive to boot with multiple options. I want to use it as a debian installer for i386 or amd64 architectures of the version 5.0.6. I also want to have a persistant live install that I can boot into to showcase Debian to people and also use as a utility for system recovery and troubleshooting. How can I achieve this? I have the i386 and amd64 iso images. |
| 16:44.12 | angel-tsankov | is trying to reproduce the problem |
| 16:44.12 | cusco | try to coment the plugin at /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf |
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| 16:44.58 | angel-tsankov | cusco: I dont have such a file |
| 16:45.03 | cusco | o.O |
| 16:45.09 | cusco | I do... |
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| 16:45.18 | cusco | dpkg -L network-manager|grep etc |
| 16:45.18 | dpkg | No packages found matching network-manager|grep etc |
| 16:45.33 | cusco | shows what? |
| 16:46.06 | gribouille | hi |
| 16:46.13 | cusco | do you have /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/01ifupdown |
| 16:46.21 | cusco | you can take it out righ there |
| 16:46.23 | angel-tsankov | yes, I do have this one |
| 16:46.57 | stew | angel-tsankov: so following the instructions on that page, mark the interfaces as not managed? |
| 16:46.58 | karlpinc | NOMADICUS: Look into live-helper and read the install guide. |
| 16:47.09 | gribouille | I want to test my new web site (for example www.foo.com). how can I bind www.foo.com to my local IP address ? |
| 16:47.09 | cusco | ok try and move it to a backup dir.. and restart network-manager, if the problem is ifupdown integration that should solve it |
| 16:47.33 | cusco | or better yet, mark interface as not managed yes.. |
| 16:47.35 | cusco | :/ |
| 16:47.36 | karlpinc | gribouille: The easy kludge is to put a line in /etc/hosts. |
| 16:47.41 | cusco | or even disable network manager |
| 16:47.54 | NOMADICUS | karlpinc: Thankyou. |
| 16:48.02 | cusco | (that is one of the reasons why I install gnome-core afterwards) |
| 16:48.05 | angel-tsankov | stew: this is one possibility... |
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| 16:48.40 | gribouille | karlpinc, for example 127.0.0.1 www.foo.com ? |
| 16:49.26 | karlpinc | gribouille: Sure, although you should already have a line for 127.0.0.1 so just add the domain to the end. |
| 16:49.50 | gribouille | karlpinc, do I have to restart a service then ? |
| 16:49.54 | karlpinc | gribouille: No. |
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| 16:50.02 | gribouille | karlpinc, ok, thanks |
| 16:51.24 | gribouille | karlpinc, I did it, but the change wasn't taken into account |
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| 16:51.45 | karlpinc | gribouille: What does "getent hosts www.foo.com" say? |
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| 16:52.19 | gribouille | karlpinc, 127.0.0.1 www.foo.com |
| 16:52.28 | karlpinc | gribouille: Then it took effect. |
| 16:52.37 | gribouille | karlpinc, but if I do dig www.foo.com, it doesn't work |
| 16:53.03 | karlpinc | gribouille: That's because dig queries DNS, but your resolver (/etc/nssswitch.conf) looks in more places. |
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| 16:53.41 | gribouille | karlpinc, ok, thanks |
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| 16:53.48 | karlpinc | gribouille: dig is strictly for dns. |
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| 16:53.51 | arny91x | hi is there a way to display the current keymap on debian? |
| 16:54.38 | uva | Hi.where does htpasswd live?even i installed libapache-htpasswd-perl.still cannot find it |
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| 16:54.40 | gribouille | karlpinc, ok |
| 16:55.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | arny91x, like xmodmap -pk? |
| 16:55.31 | karlpinc | uva: You use an apache directive in the apache config files to tell apache where it lives. |
| 16:56.38 | gribouille | karlpinc, I had never heard about the getent progam in 15 years |
| 16:56.45 | arny91x | @CutMeOwnThroat: xmodmap is for x11, i need for console |
| 16:57.00 | uva | i mean that htpasswd binary.i didnt install apache.i install thttpd.so that binary was included in apache? |
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| 16:57.09 | karlpinc | gribouille: Took me about the same. But it makes total sense, eh? |
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| 16:57.30 | gribouille | karlpinc, sure. it's good to know |
| 16:57.34 | karlpinc | !tell uva about apt-file |
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| 16:59.27 | karlpinc | gribouille: And I still can't seem to get lwresd to work.... So I run bind as a caching nameserver, which does not really bother me. Except for the part where I can't get lwresd to work. ;-) |
| 16:59.53 | peterrooney | arny91x: dumpkeys (and also loadkeys) ? |
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| 17:01.26 | gribouille | karlpinc, what is the advantage of using lwresd ? |
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| 17:02.18 | karlpinc | gribouille: Aside from having a local dns cache, it's supposed to be lightweight. At least compared with bind. |
| 17:03.05 | dondelelcaro | dnsmasq is probably an easier caching domain server; requires no configuration at all |
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| 17:05.10 | karlpinc | dondelelcaro: I was always a little offput by the built-in dhcp server. It seemed that if you're just wanting something to cache on the local box then.... |
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| 17:06.43 | arny91x | loadkeys doesn't have an option to show the current keymap, while dumpkeys' output doesn't show the short for keymap like it, de, fr. However, my problem is that the 'c' and 'e' keys aren't printed in their capital form when caps lock is on. |
| 17:07.21 | arny91x | and this caused many problems with the passwords |
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| 17:10.49 | karlpinc | arny91x: You may want to use some utility to see what scancodes are getting through in case of hardware error in the keyboard. |
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| 17:15.15 | Bushmills | karlpinc: if you want you dns cache also be capable to add as recursive name server (recursing itself, not using an upstream name server), check out maradns |
| 17:15.19 | arny91x | hardware error? with "loadkeys it" everything works fine, but the keymap loaded at system bootup acts in this strange way, so i don't think my keyboard is broken |
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| 17:15.33 | Bushmills | capable to *act* as |
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| 17:17.04 | arny91x | i also tried "install-keymap it", but it is the same |
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| 17:28.28 | xerox1 | hi, is there someone who installed debian lenny on a freeagent dockstar? |
| 17:33.41 | tuvwx | xerox1: what if there is? |
| 17:33.51 | nsadmin | !ask |
| 17:33.52 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 17:34.43 | tuvwx | xerox1: you can assume that was for you ^^^^ |
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| 17:35.19 | nsadmin | typical pattern,,, they ask like that then never respond |
| 17:35.29 | xerox1 | tuvwx, i've installed debian on an usb device, but it refuses to boot; i am currently looking for someone who want's to compare some files, so that i can determine which file is corrupted |
| 17:36.06 | nsadmin | when you say "refuses to boot" exactly what do you mean |
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| 17:36.24 | xerox1 | i end up with pogoplug all the time |
| 17:36.26 | cusco | he presses the button, and a big "NO" appears, then ut shuts down |
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| 17:36.58 | nsadmin | what's a pogoplug? |
| 17:37.08 | xerox1 | that's the device os |
| 17:37.35 | xerox1 | trying to flash the bootloader, so i can boot debian instead of pogo |
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| 17:37.44 | nsadmin | ok, are you sure the device is capable of booting from external media? |
| 17:37.54 | xerox1 | yes |
| 17:38.29 | cusco | don't you have to enable some bootwait or connect in the middle of boot .. or something |
| 17:39.11 | xerox1 | i'll tried that; i also did some cold and warm starts; so usb was allready connected |
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| 17:41.27 | nsadmin | is there any difference at all when the device is connected versus when it's not while booting? any extra delays, anything appear on the screen that didn't otherwise, etc |
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| 17:42.48 | xerox1 | nsadmin, the device has no screen; only ssh connection; so i can't say if there are differences while booting |
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| 17:43.36 | xerox1 | i am not very used to use netconsole, so i am looking for someone who is |
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| 17:45.41 | CoolCold | what the problem is? |
| 17:46.43 | xerox1 | CoolCold, do you understand the output of netconsole? |
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| 17:48.04 | CoolCold | it should be regular kernel messages |
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| 17:48.42 | CoolCold | i've thought u have problem setting it up |
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| 17:49.49 | Guest16620 | I've been building my debian package using fakeroot and somehow the permissions of my main code folder got messed up 'drwxr-x--- 9 13686 731 4.0K 2010-09-28 13:48 clapack-3.2.1' |
| 17:49.57 | xerox1 | CoolCold, if i get it right, netconsole could be a way to get more information from the boot process |
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| 17:50.10 | Guest16620 | Any idea what could have caused it or how I can fix it? |
| 17:50.39 | classical_ | hello ppl please someone help me with bind9 i have rndc issue i have run rndc-confgen and updated both named.conf and rndc.conf file the key is same but i have this error: http://pastebin.com/hZV5TAH8 |
| 17:50.39 | classical_ | Im sick fixing this error i really need some help :-) |
| 17:50.44 | ChmEarl | on squeeze, with rootfs in LVM, what modules belong in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules? my root device is not found and it drops to shell |
| 17:50.52 | CoolCold | xerox1: yes, it just sends messages via udp, which can be collected with syslog for example |
| 17:51.19 | xerox1 | CoolCold, ok |
| 17:51.28 | CoolCold | xerox1: http://pastebin.com/f0cSCdyE smth like this works for me |
| 17:51.44 | nsadmin | probably dm-mod at least |
| 17:52.40 | xerox1 | CoolCold, thx i will give that a try |
| 17:53.11 | CoolCold | don't forget to update initrd as it is said ;) |
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| 17:58.04 | ChmEarl | nsadmin, thanks will try it |
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| 18:01.42 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
| 18:02.35 | nsadmin | ChmEarl, more completely... you need the modules that drive the actual physical device (your HD controller), any raid/md (for this, to support lvm, so dm-mod), finally module to support the filesystem on / |
| 18:02.42 | nsadmin | in short' |
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| 18:02.52 | nsadmin | you need all modules required to mount / |
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| 18:05.14 | jhutchins_lt | xerox1: Google could probably find you accounts from other people who have solved your problem. |
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| 18:06.30 | xerox1 | jhutchins_lt, yeah i tried google, but the given answers didn't help a lot; |
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| 18:16.03 | Guest16620 | When I build my library package (which only generates static .a libraries) it complains dh_install: clapack-dev missing files (usr/lib/lib*.so), aborting |
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| 18:26.01 | tharkun | I am looking for the init.d scripts on an experimental package, where should i look for them ? |
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| 18:27.15 | stew | tharkun: you are looking in the source package or a binary package? |
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| 18:28.04 | tharkun | stew: wherever the init.d scripts are, I don't know if they are only on the binary. For the moment i have the source package |
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| 18:28.53 | stew | tharkun: if you are looking for them in a source package, look for a file named debian/packagename.init or look for a call to dh_installinit in the debian/rules |
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| 18:30.10 | tharkun | stew: thx |
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| 18:34.55 | Pinchiukas | So the usual stabilizing process takes about half a year? |
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| 18:37.11 | nsadmin | or longer if certain core elements aren't cooperating |
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| 18:38.33 | ChmEarl | how to insert 'vgchange -ay' into initramfs scripts before detecting root device? |
| 18:39.13 | breardo | i had to type that before i rebooted |
| 18:39.13 | nsadmin | I thought the packaging did all that |
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| 18:39.44 | sphenxes | hi, Neither zeya nor ampache are working on my squeeze desktop. Zeya works and open but the quility of the sound is bad (it runs 3-4 times faster than usual). Meanwhile I can't open ampche. Ampache make the following error: not found when i try to open It is installed but http://localhost/ampache. Is there any music server that works out of box for debian. |
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| 18:40.39 | ChmEarl | nsadmin, when boot drops to shell, 'vgchange -ay' + ^D and it boot |
| 18:41.15 | nsadmin | so after it boots, I suggest you reinstall the kernel |
| 18:41.22 | nsadmin | and it will rebuild the initrd for you |
| 18:41.27 | Pinchiukas | Is it hard to upgrade stable to unstable? |
| 18:42.56 | nsadmin | Pinchiukas: if you want to help test debian (and -nothing- else), that would be good reason to install unstable... if you intend to do any real work, good luck and I hope you keep backups |
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| 18:43.35 | nsadmin | it should be OK on a spare machine |
| 18:45.33 | Pinchiukas | I want to run a Mumble server and the decent version is only in unstable. :/ |
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| 18:47.10 | themill | Pinchiukas: the same version is in both testing and unstable; if possible, you'd be better off running a backport than upgrading a server to testing, however. |
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| 18:48.57 | themill | (that said, it's a non-trivial backport to make) |
| 18:48.58 | nsadmin | how many people does the server serve |
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| 18:51.06 | nsadmin | if the server serves only you, you still want it to stay running without a lot of effort |
| 18:51.17 | Pinchiukas | themill: the backport is of the series 1.1.x. :/ |
| 18:51.34 | Pinchiukas | Yes, I do want it running with minimal effort. |
| 18:51.48 | Pinchiukas | I liked stable so far but the older versions are starting to creep up. |
| 18:52.01 | Pinchiukas | Already had problems with PHP 5.2. |
| 18:52.05 | nsadmin | when they creep up, what happens? |
| 18:52.13 | nsadmin | why did you have the problem? |
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| 18:52.24 | Pinchiukas | Stuff doesn't work because of the old versions that I'm running. |
| 18:52.34 | Pinchiukas | And I can't update/backport. |
| 18:52.50 | Pinchiukas | Makes a smiley face turn into a frown. :) |
| 18:52.58 | nsadmin | "stuff" would probably need a definition :) you must mean some app someone else wrote |
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| 18:53.19 | nsadmin | because |
| 18:53.38 | nsadmin | if you don't change things, they continue to work just as they have been |
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| 18:54.35 | Pinchiukas | Well yeah I develop PHP on the machine. :) |
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| 18:55.17 | nsadmin | if that's the case why would 5.2 be a problem? you probably know the php commands... are you yourself trying to use things that are not in 5.2? |
| 18:55.45 | nsadmin | if so... don't do that! :) |
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| 18:56.55 | nsadmin | the alternative within debian is to learn the apache build system |
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| 18:57.17 | nsadmin | and come to be able to build modules for it (into packages) |
| 18:57.44 | nsadmin | at that point, you can do (and become the maintainer of) anything you want |
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| 18:58.06 | Pinchiukas | nsadmin: at one point I needed features that only appeared in 5.3. Had to work around that. |
| 18:58.24 | nsadmin | the alternative outside of debian, is to build apache and everything it needs yourself |
| 18:58.35 | Pinchiukas | Heh. :) |
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| 18:59.58 | nsadmin | don't knock that last one... you may want to disconnect all control debian has over your web stuff. |
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| 19:00.29 | nsadmin | but if you do that, avoid places in the filesystem where debian does have control |
| 19:00.37 | Pinchiukas | :) |
| 19:00.54 | Pinchiukas | It feels to me like a burden to take upon myself. |
| 19:01.10 | nsadmin | correct, else where does that burden exist? |
| 19:01.23 | MrRenegadeMobile | the moon? |
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| 19:01.51 | zenac | can someone give me a basic mirror for aptitude for debian |
| 19:02.00 | nsadmin | what country? |
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| 19:02.17 | zenac | usa |
| 19:02.28 | nsadmin | what's your uname -r, and cat /etc/debian_version |
| 19:02.31 | tharkun | Hmm where would a package would build its chroot when told to do so by the executable (my guess would be the init script) ? |
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| 19:02.43 | zenac | 5.0.4 |
| 19:02.53 | zenac | 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 19:03.14 | nsadmin | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free |
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| 19:03.54 | nsadmin | you will need security updates mirror at least, I dunno that one |
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| 19:05.16 | nsadmin | but put that line in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:05.23 | zenac | yea' |
| 19:05.35 | zenac | ii just couldnt find a mirror anywhere they were all broke |
| 19:05.37 | zenac | this one works thanks |
| 19:06.01 | nsadmin | there's a mirror list somewhere off of www.debian.org |
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| 19:07.07 | zenac | i looked |
| 19:07.21 | themill | !mirrors |
| 19:07.21 | dpkg | i guess debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/, see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>. |
| 19:08.08 | zenac | kk |
| 19:08.36 | classical_ | here is my rndc.conf : http://pastebin.com/zwa6QbBp and here is my my rndc.key source http://pastebin.com/P5Mrfwac |
| 19:08.36 | classical_ | and this is in my named.conf : http://pastebin.com/HygjiMyv |
| 19:08.36 | classical_ | and rndc -c /var/chroot/named/etc/bind/rndc.conf -s 127.0.0.1 -p 953 status |
| 19:08.36 | classical_ | prints this error http://pastebin.com/k21gYQ4M please help me figure out whats wrong |
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| 19:14.07 | FusionX | i'm getting this error while trying to write a 4.55 gb file into my 8 gb DVD in Nero 5.5 -> "The File is larger than 2GB and therefore cannot be stored into an ISO file system. Please use the UDF filesystem to write such large files." |
| 19:14.13 | FusionX | Help me Plz! |
| 19:14.31 | HideMe | what is the best way to determine debian version (aside from /etc/debian_version)? |
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| 19:15.32 | iOops | hi all |
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| 19:18.28 | FusionX | oops sorry wrong tab |
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| 19:26.40 | jelly-hme | HideMe: /msg dpkg version |
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| 19:29.08 | CoolCold | xerox1: have you made netconsole work? |
| 19:30.20 | xerox1 | CoolCold, i have played around with my usb-device and figured out that it is rubbish; didn't know that new bought usb devs could be dead... |
| 19:30.39 | CoolCold | oh.. |
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| 19:31.05 | xerox1 | CoolCold, thx for your help anyway |
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| 19:33.51 | CoolCold | np |
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| 19:41.09 | mkt- | !debian dpkg-reconfigure help |
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| 19:50.52 | jhutchins_lt | xerox1: Sorry to hear that. Yeah, not much QC on something with such a small margin. |
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| 19:51.51 | jhutchins_lt | FusionX: Don't use nero. |
| 19:51.59 | jhutchins_lt | FusionX: Nero is one of the reasons I'll never go back to Windows. |
| 19:52.21 | xerox1 | jhutchins_lt, yes seems so; i will bring it back to the shop tomorrow... |
| 19:52.49 | FusionX | jhutchins_lt: lol i'm using imgburn now, feels better. hehe |
| 19:53.10 | jhutchins_lt | FusionX: However, you may not be able to write it to a DVD at all, what you have is NOT an 8GB DVD but a two sided 4GB disk. |
| 19:53.27 | unkmar | Keywords: xscreensaver, nvidia, gnome, lockup. Non-response. Any suggestions other than disabling the screen saver? I'd like to preserve my plasma TV if I forget to turn it off. |
| 19:53.27 | jhutchins_lt | FusionX: I don't personally know if you can write a single file bigger than one side. |
| 19:53.33 | FusionX | Dual layer? |
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| 19:53.43 | jhutchins_lt | FusionX: I know k3b has DVD capability. |
| 19:53.47 | jhutchins_lt | FusionX: Yes. |
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| 19:54.30 | FusionX | maybe they are connected in some way |
| 19:54.32 | jhutchins_lt | FusionX: http://www.cdrfaq.org/ <- everything there is to know about it. |
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| 19:55.33 | johnfg | hi guys |
| 19:55.36 | unkmar | specifically NV43 [GeForce 6600GT] (rev a2) using the nvidia module. |
| 19:56.08 | johnfg | I've brought this up in openafs, too; has anyone got openafs successfully installed on squeeze? |
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| 19:57.57 | johnfg | Installing kerberos and openldap presented no problems, and authentication taking place through both. |
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| 19:58.35 | johnfg | In fact, the config of the files in /etc/pam.d/common-* was done automatically, no need to edit. |
| 19:59.05 | unkmar | does a backflip, a cartwheel then runs 20 feet to the nearest seat and sits down. |
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| 20:04.23 | adv_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:07.35 | abrotman | adv_: re-ordering? |
| 20:07.43 | abrotman | like move sda1 behind sda2 ? |
| 20:08.19 | adv_ | abrotman, yes, i want to grow some partition but the unallocated space is not sequential to it |
| 20:08.31 | adv_ | so i want to move the unallocated space next to it |
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| 20:10.38 | abrotman | adv_: you could use unionfs IIRC |
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| 20:10.54 | adv_ | abrotman, hm? |
| 20:10.57 | abrotman | but you could use gparted to move the partition around .. i didn't realize you had free space |
| 20:10.58 | abrotman | !unionfs |
| 20:10.58 | dpkg | [unionfs] A stackable "unification filesystem" combines several directories to provide a merged single directory. Used in Live CD / diskless systems, where the read-only root directory is joined with a writable tmpfs filesystem. For a kernel-space implementation, ask me about <aufs>. For user-space implementations, ask me about <unionfs-fuse>, <funionfs>. "Unionfs for Linux" was removed from Debian post-Etch to resolve bug #515958. |
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| 20:11.16 | abrotman | wait .. am i thinking of unionfs? |
| 20:12.54 | adv_ | abrotman, hm maybe because it is in primary area (the free space) and the one i want to grow is in extended? |
| 20:13.16 | abrotman | oh perhaps .. i don't use extended partitions unless i really have to |
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| 20:14.05 | adv_ | abrotman, i can only have 3 primary ones |
| 20:14.08 | johnfg | Any takers on the openafs for squeeze question? |
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| 20:15.58 | FusionX | jhutchins_lt: the burn failed, can u tell what happened? -LOG- --> http://pastebin.com/6BkYgASV |
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| 20:17.23 | unkmar | johnfg: not me. I don't know what an openafs is so.. Um, No. |
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| 20:20.27 | jhutchins_lt | FusionX: Same thing. File exceeds iso9660 maximum file size, you can't put that file on an iso9660 filesystem (a CD). |
| 20:20.52 | jhutchins_lt | FusionX: I don't know if growisofs would work, I'm not too familiar with the DVD format, but it's usually not one giant file. |
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| 20:21.24 | jhutchins_lt | FusionX: Also, it occurs to me that you may be trying to copy the file to the disk, not burn it as an image. |
| 20:21.44 | jhutchins_lt | I know K3B, and I haven't had to worry about burning files with it. |
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| 20:22.15 | jhutchins_lt | FusionX: The only thing I've had experience with was grabbing an image of the Mac OS-X install DVD and finding that the OS-X filesystem couldn't see a file that big. |
| 20:22.45 | FusionX | :[ |
| 20:22.52 | jhutchins_lt | FusionX: http://www.cdrfaq.org/ <- everything there is to know about file formats and capacities and how to work with them. |
| 20:22.59 | FusionX | jhutchins_lt: i used UDF and it was a 8 gb DVD. |
| 20:23.19 | jhutchins_lt | Don't mean a thing. |
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| 20:23.33 | FusionX | ok |
| 20:23.46 | jhutchins_lt | FusionX: Read that FAQ and you'll know whether it can be done or not. |
| 20:23.53 | FusionX | ok |
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| 20:24.47 | FusionX | but thats about CD, i wanna know about DVD |
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| 20:25.54 | johnfg | unkmar, It's the Andrew File System. Much better, imho, than nfs, much more secure. |
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| 20:26.20 | johnfg | But, although it works flawlessly from lenny, I've not got it working in squeeze, yet. |
| 20:26.28 | Marcio1 | anybody know a software that records the time that a power outage happened? |
| 20:27.14 | adv_ | no i cant move them around |
| 20:27.28 | homie | why do i get again errors even with ext2 on a 256gb usb-disk device ? |
| 20:29.23 | homie | i slowly begin to believe somehow the usb-stick is erreneaous |
| 20:29.25 | adv_ | i have one partition /. how can i move home/ to a different partition with all its data? |
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| 20:30.08 | homie | though it writes, it spits some errors... |
| 20:30.38 | stew | Marcio1: a ups that you have a serial connection to? |
| 20:31.16 | homie | error ext2_new_blocks: allocating block in system zone ???? |
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| 20:32.26 | Marcio1 | stew: no, power outages are common in my house, my computer is on 24/7 and it restarts when the power is back, is there a program that records when a power outage happens? |
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| 20:36.20 | stew | Marcio1: yes |
| 20:36.39 | Stercus | Marcio1: With ups your system would have to detect that power was lost verses a shutdown by the admin for example |
| 20:36.43 | stew | Marcio1: look at your syslog, or the output of "last" perhaps |
| 20:36.58 | Stercus | Without rather |
| 20:37.19 | stew | Marcio1: my suggestion is that when you have your machine connected to a ups with a serial connection to the ups, the ups would report it to your machine which would log it |
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| 20:39.34 | Marcio1 | stew: the problem is that i don't have an UPS |
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| 20:40.03 | stew | Marcio1: does "last" tell you when the "crash"es happen? |
| 20:40.07 | Marcio1 | stew: |
| 20:40.16 | stew | Marcio1: or can you see from syslog when the mark stops? |
| 20:40.31 | Stercus | Marcio1: If power is that bad at your place you might want to consider o e. |
| 20:40.34 | Stercus | One. |
| 20:40.35 | Marcio1 | stew: i can see the gap in the syslog |
| 20:40.42 | stew | Marcio1: does that answer your question then? |
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| 20:43.07 | Marcio1 | stew: yes thanks |
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| 20:44.44 | User_San | hello guys! i need help. Did you know any minimized CMS for ARM? I need to install some CMS in a very limited arm microcontroller |
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| 20:45.43 | Atos | hallloooooo kann mir einer von euch helfen??? |
| 20:46.01 | qq- | !de |
| 20:46.01 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 20:46.07 | Bushmills | Atos: sorry, quite short in cash myself |
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| 20:50.30 | adv_ | what's a tool to create a complete image of my OS? |
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| 20:50.56 | LoRez | adv_: please don't /amsg |
| 20:51.14 | LoRez | manually or otherwise |
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| 20:51.51 | cusco | adv_: are the disks the same? use dd |
| 20:51.51 | adv_ | LoRez, automated |
| 20:51.55 | adv_ | not dd |
| 20:52.00 | adv_ | modern tool |
| 20:52.02 | cusco | same as in equal |
| 20:52.07 | cusco | ... |
| 20:52.10 | cusco | cp -r ? |
| 20:52.11 | LoRez | adv_: that wasn't a question. |
| 20:52.25 | adv_ | LoRez, hm? |
| 20:52.33 | LoRez | adv_: please don't /amsg, manually or otherwise |
| 20:52.49 | adv_ | LoRez, yeah yeah |
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| 20:53.07 | LoRez | next time I'll just let the bots kline you then, mmmk? |
| 20:53.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | clonezilla? |
| 20:53.44 | adv_ | CutMeOwnThroat, have you used it? |
| 20:53.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | that uses partimage, which is also in debian |
| 20:54.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | adv_, it's a live-cd just for cloning |
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| 20:54.32 | adv_ | CutMeOwnThroat, it doesnt support ext4 :( |
| 20:55.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't use ext4 |
| 20:56.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://clonezilla.org/ |
| 20:56.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | says it supports ext4 |
| 20:56.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmh, seems it uses partclone |
| 20:56.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | and partimage |
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| 21:04.49 | UweBollsFunder | hi |
| 21:04.50 | tuvwx | do i need to run 'apt-file update' or is it done automatically (cron)? |
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| 21:07.04 | UweBollsFunder | I edited /etc/ssh/ssh_config to set the listening port to something else than 22, saved the file, then restarted the daemon using " /etc/init.d/ssh restart" as per isntructions I found on google. I got the message "Restarting OpenBSD Secure Shell server: sshd." However, it's still listening on port 22, not my new port. |
| 21:07.10 | UweBollsFunder | What am I missing? |
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| 21:09.51 | LV-426 | UweBollsFunder, edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 21:10.10 | UweBollsFunder | damn, how'd I miss that |
| 21:10.11 | UweBollsFunder | thanks |
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| 21:10.54 | suguiura | Hey guys, I have some conceptual doubts about a Debian release. As far as I've researched, a Debian release can be seen as a set of packages, right? So, all the architectures (ports) will have the same set of packages? If so, the non-free/contrib repositories don't count? |
| 21:11.40 | karlpinc | suguiura: I bet the answers are in the debian policy manual. |
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| 21:12.42 | suguiura | Okay, I'll check it, I'll message here if I still have any doubt, tho! Hehe Thank you! |
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| 21:17.17 | terron | In `free -m`, none of my swap partition is being used. But in htop/top, i can see several programs using hundreds of megabytes of virtual memory. Why the discrepancy? |
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| 21:18.21 | fignew | tuvwx: manually |
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| 21:22.37 | UweBollsFunder | maybe a stupid question, but if I disable root login in sshd, I can still log in as a regular user and use the "su" command to elevate, right? |
| 21:22.40 | UweBollsFunder | I don |
| 21:22.52 | UweBollsFunder | I don't have physical access to the server so I'd rather be sure before I do it :P |
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| 21:23.31 | karlpinc | UweBollsFunder: Right. |
| 21:23.41 | UweBollsFunder | ok, thanks |
| 21:24.33 | karlpinc | terron: Perhaps because real ram is needed for disk caching, the unused parts of programs can be mapped to the disk where the programs are stored (often). |
| 21:24.54 | Texou | hi :) |
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| 21:31.27 | terron | karlpinc: I currently have about 3gb of free memory, swap is at 0/1027mb and swappiness is set to 10. i'm just wondering why it's going to vm at all instead of staying in ram |
| 21:31.57 | tharkun | terron: can you please state your definition of vm ? |
| 21:32.29 | terron | the VIRT column in htop |
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| 21:33.21 | tharkun | terron: Please be more specific and do not point to a man page |
| 21:35.08 | terron | more specific about what? i just described precisely what i'm referring to |
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| 21:36.30 | tharkun | terron: http://htop.sourceforge.net/index.php?page=faq |
| 21:37.20 | tharkun | Next time research more and speculate less please |
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| 21:42.00 | terron | I didn't speculate on anything, I was simply asking a question. I already read that FAQ and it doesnt answer my question. http://htop.sourceforge.net/htop-0.5.png The VIRT column as shown in that screenshot shows virtual memory being used, I want to know if the system is actually using virtual memory (ie on the disk) rather than my actual memory (which has gigabytes free). And if so, how I |
| 21:42.00 | terron | can change that |
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| 21:45.22 | tharkun | terron: Please research what virtual memory is. Then come here asking the relevant question |
| 21:47.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | 't wasn't such a bad question |
| 21:47.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | the htop faq seems to answer it, though |
| 21:48.50 | tharkun | CutMeOwnThroat: Anyone with a little knowledge knows what virtual memory refers to. And for christ sake it is not swap |
| 21:49.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | !virtual memory |
| 21:49.39 | dpkg | i heard virtual memory is A part of your hard drive used to temporarily store what is in RAM. Usually used for little-used items, or when the required RAM is insufficient (since most every computer has more hard drive space than RAM). |
| 21:49.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems you just volunteered to improve on that factoid :) |
| 21:50.12 | tharkun | !lart CutMeOwnThroat |
| 21:50.12 | dpkg | frags CutMeOwnThroat with his BFG9000 |
| 21:50.16 | themill | tharkun: there was no speculation, there was a question. If answering a question is beneath you, then feel free to say nothing or point to useful and relevant documentation. |
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| 21:50.58 | tharkun | themill: datasheel of intel 80386 which happens to be the first definition of virtual memory |
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| 21:51.13 | tharkun | and the defacto standard for quite some time now |
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| 21:51.52 | tharkun | And also the url i pasted earlier also gives a strong hint on what that is |
| 21:52.19 | themill | tharkun: you could have provided the url without the insults. That would be preferable. |
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| 21:53.47 | tharkun | themill: I have yet to insult anyone over IRC. I once made a bad comment believing it was a joke and learned from that mistake |
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| 21:55.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | drop it now? |
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| 21:55.56 | Guest16620 | whats the difference between xubuntu and ubuntu? |
| 21:56.09 | themill | Guest16620: #ubuntu might know |
| 21:56.10 | Bushmills | or ask tharkun to read the original question again... |
| 21:56.20 | Guest16620 | whoops, sorry wrong channel |
| 21:56.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | I was serious about that factoid, though... there's some definite room for improvement there |
| 21:57.27 | cusco | I reckon that factoid should never be taken in the wrong way (other than a joke). Else it shouldn't exist |
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| 21:59.05 | UweBollsFunder | useless roommates downloading again. 500ms ping now (to google no less), it's a bitch to ssh. |
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| 22:01.15 | claint | make yourself machine the router and give ssh priority. |
| 22:01.26 | claint | *your machine |
| 22:01.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | duh... I made two quite similar pdf documents... how'd one best go about comparing the layout |
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| 22:01.54 | tharkun | UweBollsFunder: mtr -r can give you a more accurate account on what is messing your connection |
| 22:02.19 | UweBollsFunder | claint: I wish I could do that. the connection, modem and router are owned by the landlord and he won't let me touch them. I would've set QoS a long time ago. |
| 22:02.34 | cusco | UweBollsFunder: use ettercap, spoof arp and bybye room-mates |
| 22:02.34 | cusco | :D |
| 22:02.38 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: print them out and put one on top of the other up against a good light... |
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| 22:02.57 | tharkun | cusco: is that legal ?? |
| 22:03.17 | UweBollsFunder | tharkun: well it's not really important, I was just ranting. But essentially the others are downloading stuff at a speed far exceeding our measly 300KB/s throughput. Hence all network communication suffers from high latency. |
| 22:03.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, that's what I was considering... or taking screenshots and overlaying them.... seems both pretty crappy, no? |
| 22:03.40 | UweBollsFunder | I meant "at a speed maxing our throughput" not exceeding obviously :P |
| 22:03.45 | cusco | tharkun: I don't know if there is a law covering that. tharkun I would say its a grey area, a flaw in whether is legal or not |
| 22:03.55 | cusco | tharkun: not just, it isn't |
| 22:03.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | depends on where you are |
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| 22:04.23 | sweetpi | spoof the router and throttle their bandwidth :) |
| 22:04.37 | cusco | that works |
| 22:04.38 | cusco | :) |
| 22:04.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | should be interesting to see what evidence was collected, though |
| 22:04.54 | UweBollsFunder | don't think I know how to do that :P it's wifi anyway |
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| 22:07.22 | sweetpi | on wifi I'd guess that might make the situation worse |
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| 22:08.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe... for wifi put aluminium foil around the antenna of the router except into the direction where _your_ computer is |
| 22:09.45 | sweetpi | I'd just complain to the landlord, but I'm guessing its free net |
| 22:10.07 | UweBollsFunder | I just wish the landlord would let me configure the router. You can't have a lousy 300KB/s connection serving 7 people and not QoS it. |
| 22:10.11 | UweBollsFunder | yeah it's free |
| 22:10.32 | UweBollsFunder | I already proposed to configure the router for free, he refused, saying "it's been working fine for 5 years, it's only you complaining" |
| 22:10.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | directs everyone to #random-bitching errr, #debian-offtopic |
| 22:10.46 | UweBollsFunder | he also thinks the hackers will get us |
| 22:11.22 | UweBollsFunder | heh, sorry...with the annoying latency I'm taking a break from configuring my remote system :P |
| 22:11.31 | Acony | right now I use eye of gnome, but I need at this moment some basic photo editor, and maybe default picture viewer (so, no gimp). It should have features like: zoom, crop, resize and next and previous :) |
| 22:11.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | psychic spies from china trying to steal our minds elation.... |
| 22:11.40 | Acony | Can u recommend me any tool ? |
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| 22:11.55 | tharkun | Acony: feh, |
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| 22:12.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | imview |
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| 22:12.30 | sweetpi | f-spot, but it always crashes on me :p |
| 22:12.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | xv.... if it was free :( |
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| 22:12.54 | Acony | tharkun, tnx, installing it right now |
| 22:12.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | haven't found anything to replace it for real |
| 22:13.00 | Rug | How do I get lenny to to use an Atheros AR8131 gigabit nic for 'netinstall' CD? |
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| 22:13.20 | tharkun | Acony: np |
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| 22:14.41 | UweBollsFunder | I'm finding forum posts a few years old saying that one shouldn't mix and match apt-get and aptitude (ie get one package with one, another with the other). Is that still true? |
| 22:15.01 | tharkun | !why not aptitude |
| 22:15.01 | dpkg | Many never use the curses frontend but it is still in the binary; aptitude is more memory intensive and slower than apt-get. Its resolver can sometimes produce unexpected results. Many features of aptitude are now in libapt and used by apt-get as well, so the differences between the two have reduced. That said, aptitude is still the best way of to get out of tight spots when running sid or upgrading between releases. |
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| 22:15.35 | UweBollsFunder | allrighty |
| 22:15.38 | stew | UweBollsFunder: no, the problem was that aptitude was trying to track packages which were manually installed versus automatically, and when you used apt-get behind its back it got confused |
| 22:15.43 | stew | UweBollsFunder: now they share the data |
| 22:15.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | UweBollsFunder, no... |
| 22:15.45 | themill | UweBollsFunder: there are very few aptitude features that are not implemented in libapt these days. forbid-version and some of the specifics of "hold" is about all. |
| 22:15.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew types faster... lots |
| 22:16.20 | sweetpi | Rug: what driver does that use? |
| 22:16.23 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: i used a typing tutor program for years, called "freenode" |
| 22:16.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, :) |
| 22:17.03 | UweBollsFunder | mine was called "multiplayer PK MUD" |
| 22:17.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, I'm just tired... and was still scanning if the factoid already said what you said in some way |
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| 22:17.48 | tharkun | !coffee CutMeOwnThroat |
| 22:17.48 | dpkg | decants a fine broth of organic, fair trade Colombian for CutMeOwnThroat, courtesy of tharkun |
| 22:17.58 | Rug | I'm not sure looking into that right now |
| 22:18.04 | Rug | sweetpi: sorry. |
| 22:18.09 | Rug | sweetpi: one sec. |
| 22:18.14 | themill | (that aptitude does the wrong thing for lennyâsqueeze most of the time is a problem unlikely to be solved any time soon, unfortunately) |
| 22:18.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | thx |
| 22:18.36 | Rug | sweetpi: atl1c |
| 22:18.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, it does? |
| 22:18.58 | deadcat | sed question: i have a file that contains 2 entries of the line "penny money" in it. i want to strip out the 2nd "penny money" line from the file and everything else untouch. how would i do that? |
| 22:19.40 | stew | themill: "for lenny squeeze"? |
| 22:19.57 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, we're seeing quite a lot of problems where aptitude thrashes forever without finding an upgrade path while apt-get just does it right, or where aptitude's upgrade path involves uninstalling just about ever package (including aptitude...) |
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| 22:20.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | lenny->squeeze... he was using a fancy arrow |
| 22:20.07 | sweetpi | Rug: should work on squeeze, not sure about lenny |
| 22:20.14 | themill | stew: sounds like you need a font for your terminal :) |
| 22:20.23 | stew | oh:) |
| 22:21.00 | stew | themill: lenny->squeeze worked flawless for me when I was mistakenly upgrading the wrong VM to squeeze |
| 22:21.00 | Rug | sweetpi: is squeeze 'stable-enough' for a laptop? =) |
| 22:21.01 | stew | guess who is now running a mailserver on squeeze by mistake |
| 22:21.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | Bill Clinton? |
| 22:21.32 | sweetpi | Rug: matter of opinion, its what I run on mine |
| 22:21.49 | tharkun | stew: I've yet to make an upgrade from lenny-> squeeze that actually gets done. Allmost all the amd64 have some strange isue with / partition size making it almos impossible to upgrade |
| 22:22.03 | stew | Rug: its not ready for mission critical stuff yet (like mailservers, do as i say, not as i do) |
| 22:22.05 | sweetpi | someone care to check lenny for "kernel/drivers/net/atl1c/atl1c.ko"? |
| 22:22.13 | stew | Rug: there is no security support yet |
| 22:22.19 | Rug | stew: Yeah I caught that |
| 22:22.36 | UweBollsFunder | I'm starting to think it's my server, not the local link. Latency is back to normal on google, and on the server, but the ssh screen is taking FOREVER to update, like 30s per update. I checked top and it's all at 0%. It's a VPS (ie a virtual server) . Does it mean the hardware on the physical server has been maxed by the other customers? |
| 22:22.47 | Rug | who need security when iptables can do the trick? |
| 22:23.00 | mjmt | sweetpi: Yep it's there. |
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| 22:23.17 | themill | stew: heh... nice one. aptitude seems to struggle with some of the quite large package renaming/transformations/whatever that have been going on with the desktop packages. Large renames in kde/kde4, gnome whatever seem to leave it quite flummoxed. |
| 22:23.31 | sweetpi | Rug: mjmt says its in lenny, so it should work.. what problems do you have? |
| 22:23.34 | tharkun | UweBollsFunder: try mtr -r yahoo.com |
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| 22:23.46 | sweetpi | mjmt: thanks |
| 22:23.55 | tharkun | or for the matter to your local machien |
| 22:25.05 | Rug | sweetpi: the installer says it cannot find any network devices. |
| 22:25.13 | UweBollsFunder | will do when it's responsive. Last updated was 2 mins ago. |
| 22:25.45 | tharkun | UweBollsFunder: try it from your machine to your server, it might shed some info |
| 22:26.01 | Rug | I feel really stupid asking this, where can I find an .iso for squeeze? |
| 22:26.02 | UweBollsFunder | this is what I get for getting a 5$/month server |
| 22:26.02 | tharkun | also install mtr-tiny no x and it works great |
| 22:26.36 | tharkun | !confort UweBollsFunder |
| 22:26.36 | dpkg | There, there, tharkun. UweBollsFunder will give a spelling checker for your birthday. |
| 22:26.38 | mjmt | sweetpi: Actually, kernel 2.6.26 has it, 2.6.18 doesn't. (So whoever it is might just need to upgrade.) |
| 22:26.53 | UweBollsFunder | hehe |
| 22:27.09 | Acony | lol, tharkun I installed feh |
| 22:27.09 | tharkun | !stupid bot |
| 22:27.10 | dpkg | no, stupid tharkun |
| 22:27.23 | Acony | but it doesn't have this options in gui mode |
| 22:27.28 | UweBollsFunder | !perens |
| 22:27.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, I always liked apt-get better... is this the moment for me to say "told you so!!!!!!!!!!!11"? |
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| 22:27.43 | Rug | CutMeOwnThroat: me too |
| 22:27.44 | themill | no |
| 22:27.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | no? |
| 22:27.57 | Acony | I need simple image editor/viewer with nice user interface if possible |
| 22:28.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'll wait a bit longer for added effect, then :) |
| 22:28.23 | tharkun | Acony: You missed that you also wanted X interface :D |
| 22:28.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | xpaint |
| 22:28.38 | UweBollsFunder | Acony: try KolourPaint? |
| 22:28.51 | Acony | will install boot of them tnx |
| 22:28.58 | UweBollsFunder | http://www.linux.com/var/uploads/Image/articles/129222-1.png <---kolourpaint |
| 22:29.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | Acony, I was kidding... |
| 22:29.09 | Acony | :D |
| 22:29.11 | Rug | Never-mind. I found it |
| 22:29.39 | Acony | CutMeOwnThroat, I need something simple, since I need to crop some images, usually I never do that stuff |
| 22:29.41 | Rug | says: next time I will check Google before asking stupid questions |
| 22:29.44 | sweetpi | Rug: were you trying the latest netinst? |
| 22:29.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | although... there's a certain nostalgy connected to that win-3.1-ish look |
| 22:29.53 | Rug | sweetpi: yeah, found it |
| 22:30.01 | tomodachi | Acony: download gimp |
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| 22:30.02 | tharkun | Acony: aptitude search ~dimage~deditor |
| 22:30.03 | sweetpi | Rug: I meant for lenny |
| 22:30.46 | Rug | sweetpi: the netist for Lenny, can't detect my nic. I will try testing now. |
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| 22:31.06 | tharkun | Acony: there used to be cinepaint if you are using gnome, but for some reason noonw has volunteered to package it for debian again |
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| 22:31.47 | Acony | tharkun, ok tnx for da info, tomodachi no gimp, to complex for me :) |
| 22:32.08 | __cool__ | Acony: for cropping only 'eog' works i think |
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| 22:32.42 | __cool__ | hmno. which one was it? |
| 22:32.57 | tharkun | Acony: If my memory serves me right feh is fine for you it will let you crop, and do some editing also |
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| 22:33.49 | tharkun | if you need bulk editing imagemagick is for you |
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| 22:34.41 | Acony | tharkun, yeap, I have my own imagemagick script for batch edit, but this must be done manual |
| 22:34.59 | Acony | and feh is not good, no resize, no do u want do save it dialog and so on :D |
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| 22:37.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | is there some way to create aliases for fonts? So that word documents aren't turning up with totally different fonts in OO? |
| 22:38.13 | tharkun | Acony: try the right mouse button for those |
| 22:38.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | Acony, gimp, obviously... but probably not simple enough for you |
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| 22:39.01 | amphi | cropping in gimp is pretty simple - shift-c & drag out rectangle |
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| 22:39.36 | Acony | tharkun, well it is on right mouse button but it works similar to my previous decription |
| 22:39.45 | tharkun | ok |
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| 22:42.06 | __cool__ | Acony: i just found mirage. looks nice and crops |
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| 22:42.36 | UweBollsFunder | is there a bandwidth monitoring tool that's like top |
| 22:42.51 | UweBollsFunder | I thought it would be ntop but it seems like it's more of a management thing with html reports |
| 22:42.54 | sweetpi | UweBollsFunder: iftop |
| 22:42.57 | UweBollsFunder | thank you |
| 22:42.59 | Acony | __cool__, ok installing it right now :D |
| 22:43.03 | Bushmills | Acony: fotoxx may do |
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| 22:43.43 | Bushmills | alternatively, shareware xv |
| 22:43.43 | tharkun | pokes at Bushmills with a Tazer gun |
| 22:44.03 | stew | themill: luckly my mailserver isn't running kde then |
| 22:44.35 | themill | stew: yes. Always a good plan! |
| 22:44.35 | Acony | Bushmills, tnx for the info, will try it if mirage fails :D |
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| 22:45.23 | UweBollsFunder | so it's not the network...it's not the cpu load or memory within my VM...what can explain atrocious slowdown? Am I right in thinking that the only explanation is that my provider oversold the hardware and the other users are maxing the resources? |
| 22:45.54 | hideki | Acony: Try kolourpaint, an ms paint clone. It's very basic. |
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| 22:46.09 | tharkun | UweBollsFunder: vmstat -a 5 5 runned at different times of day will give you a hint on how your machine is running |
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| 22:46.24 | sweetpi | UweBollsFunder: maybe io, but they do like to oversell |
| 22:46.38 | tharkun | also mtr -r > file`date`.txt will give you a hint |
| 22:46.42 | Acony | hideki, tnx for the info, I forgot to answer u, I don't like it, looking something similar to acdsee I think :D |
| 22:47.20 | UweBollsFunder | tharkun: that was next on my list, I've been sidetracked with this slowness :P |
| 22:47.28 | UweBollsFunder | I'll follow both instructions |
| 22:47.33 | hideki | I just like it for its simplicity, you see. |
| 22:47.36 | UweBollsFunder | then contact support in a few days if it's still acting up |
| 22:48.55 | tharkun | UweBollsFunder: and my personal favourite #time apt-get upgrade > file`date`.txt runned within a cronjob |
| 22:49.07 | tharkun | s/upgrade/update |
| 22:49.13 | UweBollsFunder | how would that help? |
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| 22:49.43 | UweBollsFunder | as a sort of bandwidth test done repeatedly every day? |
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| 22:50.24 | tharkun | It does a combination of network, ram, cpu, io request evaluation through out a certain time period |
| 22:50.49 | tharkun | I've used it all three in combination to pinpoint server slowliness |
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| 22:52.51 | UweBollsFunder | I gotta go meet my lab partner, but I've written all this stuff down. thanks for the help. |
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| 22:53.35 | UweBollsFunder | good evening |
| 22:56.31 | Acony | __cool__, do u know what is the bin name for this mirage since I want to start it :D |
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| 22:59.47 | adv_ | i have 2 partitions with the same blkid. can i regenerate them? |
| 23:00.52 | zinx | what filesystem? |
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| 23:01.17 | zinx | and, label or uuid? |
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| 23:03.47 | __cool__ | Acony: here it's 'mirage' :] |
| 23:04.57 | __cool__ | Acony: well, on an ubuntu system.... |
| 23:07.13 | Acony | __cool__, strange on debian I don't have that, will take a look, tnx for the info |
| 23:07.34 | mjmt | ,versions mirage |
| 23:07.35 | judd | Package mirage on i386 -- lenny: 0.9.3-2; sid: 0.9.5.1-1; squeeze: 0.9.5.1-1 |
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| 23:17.41 | Acony | __cool__, mirage is great, not ideal but great, tnx :D |
| 23:19.13 | Acony | and this one also |
| 23:19.14 | Acony | http://f-spot.org/Features |
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| 23:21.35 | charly1 | hey there; so if squeeze has been frozen does that mean testing is more or less stable now? |
| 23:21.55 | streuner | no |
| 23:21.56 | jpinx-eeepc | charly1: no |
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| 23:22.20 | streuner | charly1: stable in Debian terms means, (almost) no bugs |
| 23:22.58 | streuner | frozen is just a state, to make sure people are able to fix RC bugs |
| 23:23.10 | charly1 | ah ok yeah so they're not adding new stuff |
| 23:23.19 | charly1 | say if i had a sytem that is lenny currently |
| 23:23.22 | themill | (squeeze actually has fewer RC bugs than lenny at the moment, but it's still not "stable") |
| 23:23.25 | charly1 | and when squeeze becomes stable |
| 23:23.33 | charly1 | is it ok just to apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 23:23.38 | charly1 | or do you guys recommend a full reinstall |
| 23:24.00 | streuner | charly1: if needed some upstream stuff goes into squeeze, if it helps to solve bugs... |
| 23:24.09 | themill | charly1: you should carefully read (and follow) the procedure outlined in the release notes. |
| 23:24.36 | themill | !squeeze release notes |
| 23:24.36 | dpkg | A draft of the squeeze release notes can be found at http://deb.li/jUOC and will be periodically updated as the release notes are finalised. See also http://bugs.debian.org/release-notes and http://wiki.debian.org/NewInSqueeze . Also ask me about <i-g>, <install squeeze>, <firmware images>. |
| 23:24.38 | charly1 | themill: sure, but i mean tho it is possible? or is it highly recommended that peoplejust reinstall |
| 23:24.51 | charly1 | (just trying to see what is "best practices") |
| 23:25.09 | MrRenegadeMobile | hey guys is there a good how to or manual on doing scripting for bash? or is it just a C or C++ based language |
| 23:25.11 | jpinx-eeepc | charly1: you never have to reinstall debian unless you break something |
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| 23:25.33 | themill | charly1: a lot of work goes in to making debian upgradable. You'll find many people here who have boxes that haven't been reinstalled for 10 or more years. |
| 23:25.41 | charly1 | MrRenegadeMobile: i have the bash oreilly book it's not bad |
| 23:25.51 | hideki | MrRenegadeMobile: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ |
| 23:26.03 | charly1 | themill: awesome :-) (i have pcs at work that are cdless/driveless you see) |
| 23:26.34 | charly1 | they are a PITA with rhat becuase of upgrade really wanting a cd, good to see i can avoid that with debian |
| 23:26.35 | MrRenegadeMobile | cool thanks guys |
| 23:27.14 | MrRenegadeMobile | but if i'm looking for a hard copy style book then oreilly is good? or is there another thats better? |
| 23:27.19 | jpinx-eeepc | charly1: as long as you have an internet connection you never need reinstall or use a CD |
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| 23:27.30 | charly1 | nod yeah they have built in nic |
| 23:27.47 | hideki | The O'reilly ones are generally quite good |
| 23:28.01 | MrRenegadeMobile | good to know |
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| 23:28.49 | salieri | do you already know a scripting language? |
| 23:29.12 | MrRenegadeMobile | yeah a few |
| 23:30.23 | MrRenegadeMobile | AutoIT, Dos Batch, PowerShell, Python (i kinda look at it as more scripting than programing), WinBatch |
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| 23:32.45 | MrRenegadeMobile | for the past 5 years i have been required to do a bunch of windows based scripting and now in my new job i'm moving into i need to know more linux scripting which is not bad i welcome it just needed to get some ideas of good sources to research so i could get up on it before the Boss hands me something that makes my head spin. |
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| 23:34.21 | salieri | most linux distros and def debian ship with py installed |
| 23:34.46 | salieri | absolutely with perl |
| 23:35.00 | hideki | python is also interactive |
| 23:35.28 | MrRenegadeMobile | yeah thats why i kinda look at it more of a scripting based language than a true core language like C |
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| 23:36.38 | salieri | typeless, runtime patching, interpreted, and the use of _self_ in objects heh |
| 23:36.54 | MrRenegadeMobile | i know php as well but thats more web based than anything else because if you want it to do any real functions you have to have a perl or mysql background |
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| 23:37.18 | salieri | postgres ;-) |
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| 23:37.27 | MrRenegadeMobile | hehe :P |
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| 23:45.48 | ChmEarl | compare where lvm2 script is in Squeeze vs Lucid. In squeeze, /usr/share/initramfs-tools/local-top. In lucid, init-premount. Why the difference? t works in lucid, but not in squeeze |
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| 23:47.22 | leoechevarria | hi there |
| 23:47.30 | leoechevarria | i need a hand with lxde + debian, anybody? |
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| 23:49.38 | ChmEarl | trying #dpkg-reconfigure lvm2 |
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| 23:58.02 | atoi | I'm trying to get Python 2.7 installed on Debian Lenny. It's complaining that it can't build the "dl" module (or "imageop" or "gdbm") and I'm having trouble figuring out which -dev package I need to install with aptitude. It's looking for header file "dlfcn.h" and I can't for the life of me figure out which package this is from. |
| 23:58.10 | atoi | Any ideas? |
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