| 00:00.08 | themill | atoi: out of interest, what specific things are you looking for in py2.7? |
| 00:00.49 | themill | (that header is in libc6-dev, apt-file is your friend, /msg dpkg apt-file. make sure you don't install py2.7 in your $PATH) |
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| 00:06.04 | Mattz0r | hey, i've got a WMP600N pci wireless adapter, i've got it working, however it's only running on wireless G not wireless N :/ |
| 00:06.12 | Mattz0r | any ideas on how i can get it to connect at N? |
| 00:06.51 | rysiek|pl | hi guys |
| 00:07.11 | rysiek|pl | I have a strange issue (on an ancient Etch, but nonetheless interesting I guess) |
| 00:07.24 | Mattz0r | fire away |
| 00:07.42 | rysiek|pl | I have a helluva lot of iptables NAT rules (as in: "forward port X to port Y on machine Z) |
| 00:07.57 | rysiek|pl | think ~70-80 |
| 00:08.03 | Mattz0r | ok |
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| 00:08.17 | rysiek|pl | and sometimes the connections get dropped without an apparent reason |
| 00:08.35 | Mattz0r | isn't there anyway for you to do port ranges? |
| 00:08.43 | rysiek|pl | when I make an ssh tunnel doing the very same thing everything orks AOK |
| 00:08.50 | rysiek|pl | Mattz0r: there are port ranges :) |
| 00:08.58 | Mattz0r | bigger ranges? :D |
| 00:09.00 | Mattz0r | lol |
| 00:09.12 | Mattz0r | hmmm |
| 00:09.16 | Mattz0r | thats a very odd one |
| 00:09.17 | rysiek|pl | Mattz0r: it's an R&D lab, multitude of projects needing multitude of outside ports |
| 00:09.56 | rysiek|pl | anywhoo, for me it looks like the TCP/IP kernel subsystem is just unable to handle the load (you know, keeping all the open connection data etc) |
| 00:10.09 | Mattz0r | yeah |
| 00:10.09 | rysiek|pl | and drops connections it can't handle |
| 00:10.12 | rysiek|pl | *but* |
| 00:10.17 | rysiek|pl | a). no info in dmesg |
| 00:10.29 | rysiek|pl | b). no info in any of the system logs, as far as I can see |
| 00:10.45 | rysiek|pl | c). no apparent rule as to which connections get dropped |
| 00:10.47 | rysiek|pl | so |
| 00:10.57 | rysiek|pl | my questons are: |
| 00:11.15 | rysiek|pl | 1. how do I check the status of the TCP/IP kernel subsystem? |
| 00:11.30 | rysiek|pl | any /proc files to read/follow? |
| 00:11.31 | atoi | themill, why would I not install Py2.7 on the path? |
| 00:11.48 | rysiek|pl | 2. where should I look for some tweaking info? |
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| 00:12.44 | rysiek|pl | some sysctls to modify? anything |
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| 00:13.07 | themill | atoi: because many python scripts on your box that is part of a debian package expects "python" to be python2.5 and expect that python will be able to use the debian packages for python modules (python2.7 won't be able to do so) |
| 00:13.11 | rysiek|pl | I'm in the dark here, really, and the conndrops get really annoying |
| 00:13.14 | Mattz0r | looks puzzled |
| 00:13.22 | Mattz0r | i have no idea tbh :( |
| 00:13.46 | atoi | ah. balls. |
| 00:13.56 | atoi | well, I've installed it in /usr/local/bin at the moment.. |
| 00:14.00 | atoi | so I guess I should make uninstall |
| 00:14.03 | atoi | and put it somewhere else. |
| 00:14.12 | rysiek|pl | Mattz0r: yeah, puzzling to say the least |
| 00:15.05 | themill | atoi: /opt would be better. But there's not really a compelling reason to want py2.7... if you're a python developer, then you want to stick to 2.5 for the time being so that other people can actually run your code, and if you're not a developer, then there is very very little code out there that actually requires 2.7. |
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| 00:16.07 | atoi | themill, well, 2.7 specifically is not as important as 2.6. I am a developer. 2.5 is seriously dated, I was hoping to upgrade with this new server. :-/ |
| 00:16.50 | atoi | I suppose I'll drop it in /opt for the time being. |
| 00:17.12 | atoi | Ultimately, I'll probably be using a virtualenv anyhow, so it shouldn't make too much difference. |
| 00:18.14 | themill | atoi: if you want anyone else to be able to run your code, then you've still got to stick to python2.5 though. (there's not really that much shiny new stuff in 2.6 or 2.7 to make it worthwhile jumping through these hoops, ime). BTW squeeze has python2.6 as default and python module packages will work with it nicely. |
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| 00:20.48 | atoi | themill, that's entirely inaccurate, I use 2.7 regularly for all my projects. ;) |
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| 00:21.16 | atoi | At least as far as web stuff goes, Python 2.6 or 2.7 are just fine. |
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| 00:21.54 | themill | atoi: except people can't run them on debian (or other distros that you'll commonly find on servers) |
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| 00:23.00 | atoi | *shrug* It's just a silly statement to make. There's a whole ecosystem out there of Python stuff that works perfectly well past 2.5. |
| 00:23.30 | atoi | I realize I'm in #debian, though. |
| 00:23.38 | atoi | ;) |
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| 00:25.12 | themill | atoi: not at all. If you want your code to be used, you have to use the libraries and tools that people have on their boxes. If you want people to run your software on debian (or rhel, ...) then you need to use the versions of python that are available. Somehow C and perl people understand this and we don't get people clammering for gcc 4.5 on lenny so they can use some strange new language feature, but php, python and ruby people always need to use |
| 00:25.13 | themill | the newest shiniest tools. |
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| 00:25.36 | Tprice | can anyone give a hand? |
| 00:25.49 | themill | and "works perfectly well past 2.5" is quite different to "requires something past 2.5". |
| 00:26.23 | Tprice | how to remove compiled program |
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| 00:26.58 | hideki | which program is it ? |
| 00:27.10 | Tprice | transmission |
| 00:27.27 | themill | atoi: anyway, I'm not here to convince you either way -- I'm just making sure you understand the implications of your decisions. Have fun with it. |
| 00:28.37 | hideki | make uninstall ? |
| 00:28.48 | sweetpi | atoi: If debian, ubuntu, and rhel dont have 2.7 by default, what exactly are you targeting? just curious, not being smart. |
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| 00:29.34 | atoi | sweetpi, ubuntu ships with 2.6 |
| 00:29.39 | atoi | at current. |
| 00:30.06 | atoi | and, again, being past 2.5 is what I'm after. |
| 00:30.08 | atoi | :) |
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| 00:31.38 | atoi | Anyhow, most of the modules that weren't building, turns out, were useless anyhow, so I am good. |
| 00:32.18 | stew | atoi: are there really language features in 2.6 that aren't in 2.5 that you cannot live without? |
| 00:32.23 | atoi | sweetpi, and, I'd probably be using ubuntu since it has reasonably up to date packages, but we're on PostgreSQL 8.3, unfortunately. |
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| 00:33.14 | atoi | stew, no. I could code in Python 2.3 if I had to. But there's no reason to. |
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| 00:35.25 | atoi | lovely. no "make uninstall" target. |
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| 00:37.23 | salieri | "we don't get people clammering for gcc 4.5" |
| 00:37.25 | salieri | you kniow about that |
| 00:37.38 | salieri | been wanting to try out them lambdas and other c++ 0xisms |
| 00:38.09 | salieri | but actually i think the reason is the metaprogramming stuff; lots of rb/py is in that and it's all about the hip new featureset |
| 00:38.18 | Tprice | make uninstall |
| 00:38.23 | Tprice | thanks so mcuh! |
| 00:39.07 | atoi | salieri, there's also a pretty vibrant community for Python and Ruby... as opposed to Perl. ;) |
| 00:39.30 | salieri | oh make no mistake, i hate perl |
| 00:40.17 | salieri | actually here's a counterexample with C++ |
| 00:40.24 | salieri | so i think there's a header for qt |
| 00:40.35 | atoi | question: which tools in Debian are known to break with Python version being over 2.5? |
| 00:40.43 | salieri | it's a hashtable for a qtype of a "generic object" it wasnt in stable i really wished it was |
| 00:40.54 | salieri | atoi why not /usr/local/bin/python ? |
| 00:41.07 | atoi | That's .. where it is. |
| 00:41.16 | salieri | oh |
| 00:41.26 | atoi | but that's in the path. |
| 00:41.32 | stew | atoi: anything that relies on python modules being installed from packages and having a shebang that would hit that 2.6 version |
| 00:41.33 | atoi | or at least it is for root and all. |
| 00:41.39 | salieri | oh is it picking up the .. yeah |
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| 00:43.04 | atoi | well. |
| 00:43.06 | atoi | hmm |
| 00:43.20 | atoi | aptitude seems to have been working, which is why I was asking. |
| 00:43.52 | atoi | argh. I guess I'll just manually remove the binaries and libraries from /usr/local |
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| 00:48.34 | atoi | ah. apparently I just remove /usr/local/bin/python... and then /usr/local/bin/python2.7 is still there and all is good. |
| 00:49.07 | nevyn | atoi: umm no.. update-alternatives --config python |
| 00:49.29 | atoi | what will that do? |
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| 00:49.55 | nevyn | change which python get's called when you run python blah.py |
| 00:50.04 | atoi | oh. |
| 00:50.14 | stew | no, it would tell you that python isn't managaed by the alternatives system |
| 00:50.25 | atoi | yeah, says "No alternatives for python." |
| 00:50.25 | nevyn | what? |
| 00:50.53 | atoi | now, curiously, when I delete the python binary in /usr/local/bin/python it still tries to use that binary. I'm not sure why... |
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| 00:51.18 | stew | atoi: if you are in bash "help hash" |
| 00:51.38 | nevyn | has the hate for secondary package management systems. |
| 00:51.46 | atoi | ah. |
| 00:51.48 | nevyn | I know they're all the rage.. but seriously stabby |
| 00:52.07 | atoi | nevyn, this is an alternative package management system called "./configure && make && make install" |
| 00:52.18 | nevyn | oh. you're doing That... |
| 00:52.21 | nevyn | god help you. |
| 00:52.59 | atoi | for most things it's fine, just Python is giving me some annoyances. |
| 00:53.22 | atoi | ok, there we go. |
| 00:53.23 | atoi | whew. |
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| 00:56.22 | salieri | is down with tarballs |
| 00:56.29 | salieri | tho usually git clone ... starts it off |
| 00:56.59 | salieri | what, no prefix=/opt/... ? |
| 00:58.28 | NOMADICUS | Hello, I am trying to make a bootable usb with multiple os to choose from. In the Debian Live Manual under IV. Other 3.3.4. Using the space left on a USB stick, http://live.debian.net/manual/en/html-single/live-manual.html#id2508330 ; these instructions are written: "FIXME: Describe installing Debian Live to a partition (e.g. /dev/sdc1) AND using a bootloader to boot this.". What does FIXME mean |
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| 00:59.04 | NOMADICUS | I do not understand how to do this. |
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| 01:04.39 | Tprice | can someone give a hand with installing transmission-daemon |
| 01:05.05 | Tprice | what is the ./configure --something that i need |
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| 01:05.14 | stew | Tprice: why compiling it instead of installing the debian package? |
| 01:05.37 | stew | judd: versions transmission-daemon |
| 01:05.38 | judd | Package transmission-daemon on i386 -- lenny-backports: 1.77-1~bpo50+2; sid: 2.03-1; squeeze: 2.03-1 |
| 01:05.44 | stew | Tprice: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 01:06.55 | Tprice | umm 1.92 |
| 01:07.11 | Tprice | im running lenny |
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| 01:07.41 | stew | Tprice: http://backports.debian.org/Instructions would have instructions for installing the 1.77 package from backports |
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| 01:09.49 | Tprice | thank you |
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| 01:36.09 | thepro4ever | wooo |
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| 01:37.55 | johnfg | OK, back from 2nd job, and saw no relevant responses. So, here goes again. Has anyone got openafs working correctly on squeeze? |
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| 01:40.36 | qq- | !forum |
| 01:40.36 | dpkg | [forums] http://forums.debian.net/ , http://www.debianhelp.org/ , http://www.debianplanet.org/ |
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| 01:43.53 | stew | thepro4ever: i suppose that is the job of the makefile which is actually building the binaries |
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| 01:48.16 | Rug | Ack, help. I am installing squeeze from scratch and I get this error: failed to fetch:...libfontconfig1-dev_2.6.8.0-2.1_amd64.deb How can I fix it? |
| 01:50.38 | Rug | Umm, looks like it only applies to Xmonad |
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| 01:52.30 | Rug | let me see if I can startx (note to self, use screen next time) |
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| 01:54.48 | streuner | dpkg, nouveau |
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| 01:58.25 | rgr | can one defer the somewhat lengthy occasional disk checks that occur at system boot to the shutdown phase instead? |
| 01:59.16 | Injaj | why would this package: http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/bwm-ng not be available when I try to get it using apt-get? I have this line my sources.list: deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free |
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| 02:04.22 | rgr | sudo aptitude install autofsck |
| 02:04.28 | rgr | ops |
| 02:04.44 | Injaj | hehe |
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| 02:08.02 | rgr | seems to be just what I'm looking for. The fsck at system start every X boots can take agaes. |
| 02:08.40 | Injaj | yep, was very annoying |
| 02:08.56 | Injaj | wait, you're a Ubuntu user |
| 02:09.24 | Injaj | or does Debian also do that "spend ages scanning after 30 mounts" thing too |
| 02:09.47 | salieri | they all do |
| 02:09.55 | salieri | tho i think you can turn that off somewheres |
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| 02:19.21 | peterrooney | rgr: you can use tune2fs to change how often |
| 02:20.07 | hideki | yes, tune2fs -c will change how many mounts before running fsck |
| 02:20.24 | hideki | you can change the current mount count with -C |
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| 02:21.39 | hideki | you can also use -i, or a combination of -i and -c to specify time interval and mount counts |
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| 02:23.37 | diabel | ok, must go sleep |
| 02:23.40 | diabel | bye ;) |
| 02:24.20 | s3a | for a linux java programming question, do i post here or in #java? |
| 02:24.36 | int_80h | #java |
| 02:24.52 | s3a | k |
| 02:26.23 | stew | s3a: ##java |
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| 02:27.14 | s3a | stew, ya the # automatically becomes ## |
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| 02:33.29 | gnarface | anyone here good with mplayer? |
| 02:33.50 | superjet_busy | gnarface: #mplayer |
| 02:34.00 | gnarface | superjet_busy: they're all asleep |
| 02:34.51 | superjet_busy | gnarface: what's the problem? |
| 02:34.52 | gnarface | i'm just looking for a specific filter - something that will overlay a screen-door-like grid of octagons or the like over the video. i have no problem with actual usage |
| 02:35.44 | gnarface | i saw it once in another program some time ago i'm just trying to identify the best way to do this with mplayer - i noticed in the man page there's something called bmovl that can overlay a bitmap from a fifo but i was hoping for something a bit more self-contained |
| 02:36.16 | gnarface | also if i have to make the bitmap myself it will be ugly |
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| 02:54.46 | s1kx- | i have a little issue - i have a program that does a lo tof networking and it freezes every now and then... i went to check with strace as to why it is and it showed me this: poll([{fd=200, events=POLLIN}], 1, 5000) = 0 (Timeout) <4.999958>, and fd=200 is a socket to 8.8.8.8:53 which is googles dns server |
| 02:54.53 | s1kx- | any idea why this is happening and how i can fix it? |
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| 02:56.05 | gnarface | s1kx-: you're using google's dns server? |
| 02:56.12 | s1kx- | apparently |
| 02:56.39 | s1kx- | yeah thats what /etc/resolv.conf says |
| 02:58.14 | gnarface | you might want to consider not doing that |
| 02:58.43 | gnarface | i don't even use the free dns servers my isp provides |
| 02:59.10 | gnarface | i run one locally because it massively improves the speed and reliability of dns lookups |
| 02:59.10 | s1kx- | well i just need a dns server that can handle a dozen requests at once without flagging it as a ddos or something |
| 02:59.23 | gnarface | check out dnsmasq |
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| 03:00.28 | s1kx- | is it easy to stup? |
| 03:00.41 | gnarface | yes |
| 03:00.51 | gnarface | i think so |
| 03:00.59 | gnarface | it was a long time ago. |
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| 03:26.31 | thepro4ever | how does debian know where to locate statically linked libraries and header files when your executable runs? |
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| 03:27.03 | stew | thepro4ever: header files aren't involved when your executable runs |
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| 03:27.33 | stew | thepro4ever: statically linked libraries means the libraries are actually incorporated into the executable, so how their components are found is up to the executable format |
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| 03:27.56 | stew | thepro4ever: which is usually the "elf" format. for which, you'll want to look up how elf symbol tables work |
| 03:28.12 | thepro4ever | stew: i think i mean dynamically loaded |
| 03:28.29 | thepro4ever | stew: i'm getting an error when my app runs that it can't load a third party library that I have |
| 03:28.37 | stew | thepro4ever: then read "man ld.so" for starters, i guess |
| 03:28.55 | thepro4ever | stew: thats because it can't find it so i don't know debian well enough to know if there is a default search path or what |
| 03:29.16 | stew | thepro4ever: there is a default search path |
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| 03:35.08 | thepro4ever | stew: the man page says it one of the places it will look in is /usr/lib , but it doesn't specify if it will iterate through subdirectories underneath /usr/lib , any idea? |
| 03:37.03 | simonrvn | run ldconfig -v for fun (as root), you'll see ;) |
| 03:37.17 | roe | I'm in knoppix atm, how do I print disk labels? |
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| 03:45.03 | johntramp | hi. firefox, or iceweasel if you like, has been freezing on me a whole lot lately. it doesn't give me any output from a terminal, and all i can do is kill the process |
| 03:45.30 | johntramp | i havent noticed any patterns either. are there any ways i can try figure out what is going wrong? |
| 03:46.49 | sweetpi | do you have flash installed? |
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| 03:53.31 | johntramp | sweetpi: i have noscript running |
| 03:53.40 | johntramp | so i dont see most flash stuff |
| 03:55.13 | johntramp | it is using massive cpu when it crashes |
| 03:55.14 | LV-426 | johntramp, try running with -safe-mode |
| 03:55.23 | johntramp | LV-426: i just did, and disabled addons |
| 03:57.14 | sweetpi | johntramp: any specific site that is causing it? btw what version of iceweasel? |
| 03:57.27 | johntramp | 3.5.12 |
| 03:57.53 | johntramp | iv not noticed any specific sites |
| 03:58.02 | pickcoder | strace it from a console and see what it's doing |
| 03:58.17 | pickcoder | s/console/terminal window |
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| 04:00.42 | sweetpi | johntramp: like pickcoder said, use strace and pastebin the output of when it crashes |
| 04:01.21 | pickcoder | there's a diff between crashing/segfaulting and having to kill it because it's spinning |
| 04:01.24 | pickcoder | which is it doing? |
| 04:02.08 | sweetpi | didnt notice he said he has to kill it |
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| 04:09.35 | johntramp | sweetpi: pickcoder: sorry.. somehow i managed to crash X completely that time :S |
| 04:09.44 | johntramp | had to reboot :( |
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| 04:13.30 | johntramp | ....and now it wont crash |
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| 04:16.49 | johntramp | it must be a quantum superposition bug |
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| 04:21.13 | rgr | Iin squeeze if I configure an automatic login to my default account then my .gnomerc is not sourced. Is that correct? I dont this it is. Assuming its a bug then what other startup file on that type is best suited for adding an xmodmap call? |
| 04:21.28 | rgr | s/this it is/think it is |
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| 04:32.24 | UweBollsFunder | yo yo |
| 04:32.34 | UweBollsFunder | I'm back with more questions |
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| 04:32.51 | UweBollsFunder | if I do apt-get remove a program, then shouldn't it have been removed from /etc/init.d/programname? |
| 04:33.33 | hideki | UweBollsFunder: You can prevent a program running at startup using sysv-rc-conf |
| 04:34.34 | hideki | You can change for each runlevel (default is 2). It's easier that messing about with symlinks in /etc/rcN.d/ |
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| 04:35.01 | UweBollsFunder | hideki: thanks. I've seen that mentioned in the debian docs, and was planning to get it. but for future reference, does doing apt-get remove not stop currenti nstances, or delete the program in any way? is it stuff that's done at the next reboot or what? |
| 04:35.55 | hideki | You can stop the program by using /etc/init.d/<program> stop |
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| 04:36.28 | stew | UweBollsFunder: no, just remove (without --purge) leaves configuration files behind, and /etc/init.d scripts are considered config files |
| 04:36.30 | hideki | However, with certain programs it does not stop current instances (such as for ssh) |
| 04:36.45 | salieri | actually i've been wondering about that - so i know exim starts up on some default installs |
| 04:36.54 | salieri | and you can't get rid of it w/o getting rid of the desktop |
| 04:37.04 | salieri | so i chmod 000 /etc/init.d/exim... |
| 04:37.07 | hideki | e.g. /etc/init.d/ssh stop will prevent anymore ssh connections, but not kill any current connections |
| 04:37.16 | hideki | I mean sshd |
| 04:37.19 | salieri | is there a better way? |
| 04:37.34 | salieri | yeah you'll need to killall sshd or whatever it's called |
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| 04:38.01 | UweBollsFunder | so the safe procedure is to first stop the services, then apt-get remove? |
| 04:38.07 | hideki | exim has an annoying bug at startup, where if it does not have a net connection, it hangs at "starting MTA:" |
| 04:38.12 | stew | UweBollsFunder: anything other than config files should be removed, when you look at its status in "dpkg -l packagename" you should see "rc" meaning "you asked for it to be Removed, and Config files remain". if you purge the package, that should change to "you requested Purge, and it is not Not installed" |
| 04:38.19 | hideki | I usually disable exim4 on my laptop |
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| 04:38.57 | stew | UweBollsFunder: yes, that is safe, however, usually apt-get remove would stop the service as part of the prerm script |
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| 04:39.52 | UweBollsFunder | stew: I'll take a look at the package info to make 100% sure, but essentially, I did apt-get remove yesterday on denyhosts, but today found myself locked out, my IP added to hosts.deny. Would this be considered a bug in the package? |
| 04:40.13 | salieri | btw yeah i didn't notice any ill effects with making /etc/init.d/exim* 000 |
| 04:40.24 | hideki | I think that might be a security feature |
| 04:40.57 | stew | UweBollsFunder: if the service was still running, that might be a bug. if your ip being added to hosts.deny happened before removing, it remaining in hosts.deny is the expected behaviour |
| 04:41.09 | hideki | I have seen on Arch for example, that all host.deny has ALL on a default install |
| 04:41.19 | hideki | hosts.deny |
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| 04:42.37 | UweBollsFunder | hideki: not in my case, I've been connecting several times a day over the last few days. I'll try to reproduce the issue before I speak up any more. I'm just happy to confirm that apt-get remove is at least supposed to kill running instances except when it doesn't make sense (ie sshd) |
| 04:43.08 | UweBollsFunder | sysv-rc-conf looks amazingly user-friendly |
| 04:43.44 | hideki | UweBollsFunder: It certainly is |
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| 04:47.09 | nsadmin | why wouldn't it make sense? |
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| 04:48.10 | nsadmin | let's take a bonehead case... say you're running the removal of sshd over an ssh connection |
| 04:48.13 | UweBollsFunder | nsadmin: well if you're configuring the system remotely, you'll get kicked out of your session |
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| 04:48.51 | nsadmin | the above statement is moreorless self-contained... don't remove sshd if you're using ssh! |
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| 04:49.56 | stew | UweBollsFunder: i'm looking at the maintainer scripts for that package, and no, it doesn't stop the service when being removed, which is probably wrong. especially since its doing things like removing the log directories that the service is logging to |
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| 04:52.20 | hideki | nsadmin: surely you should be able to upgrade sshd over ssh ? |
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| 04:52.53 | UweBollsFunder | stew: it might catch a few people offguard |
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| 04:53.28 | stew | hideki: yes, and you can |
| 04:53.42 | Stercus | !basil weather Macon ga |
| 04:53.46 | Stercus | Oops |
| 04:53.51 | stew | UweBollsFunder: i'd recommend filing it as a priority: normal bug |
| 04:54.01 | hideki | I have heard that FreeBSD can be better in this sense, as the whole system is upgraded instead of separate packages |
| 04:54.39 | stew | hideki: how is it different than "aptitude full-upgrade" ? |
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| 04:55.28 | hideki | Don't know, as I don't use FreeBSD, but I have read before that there is less "breakage" |
| 04:55.39 | UweBollsFunder | will do, stew |
| 04:56.09 | stew | hideki: is aptitude full-upgrade not updating the whole system? |
| 04:56.25 | hideki | Yes, I know |
| 04:56.51 | stew | but it is upgrading separate packages? |
| 04:57.31 | hideki | Some packages refuse to upgrade with full-upgrade with me |
| 04:57.41 | stew | hideki: can you give me an example? |
| 04:58.12 | hideki | What do you mean? |
| 04:58.26 | stew | hideki: what package refuses to upgrade? do you get an error? what? |
| 04:59.14 | hideki | libgssapi-krb5-2: Breaks: libkrb53 but 1.6.dfsg.4~beta1-5lenny4 is installed. |
| 04:59.33 | hideki | I am running squeeze on my desktop, upgraded from lenny |
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| 04:59.53 | stew | hideki: ok, so aptitude knows there are mutliple ways to handle this, but the packages are smart enough to know that you can't have both |
| 04:59.54 | hideki | Also, it is still using the old GDM |
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| 05:00.09 | stew | hideki: wait |
| 05:00.11 | hideki | So how do I fix that ? |
| 05:00.20 | stew | hideki: if you are running squeeze, why are you still having lenny packages installed? |
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| 05:00.42 | stew | hideki: how did you upgrade to squeeze? |
| 05:01.35 | hideki | Can't remember, but I used aptitude |
| 05:01.40 | stew | yeah, i guess i see your point maybe. if you try to just "aptitude full-upgrade" to move from one release to another, you end up in a situation like yours |
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| 05:01.53 | stew | if you follow the recommended instructions for upgrading, it shouldn't be the case though |
| 05:02.15 | stew | hideki: i'd recommend making sure you have a squeeze version of aptitude, then running "aptitude safe-upgrade ; aptitude full-upgrade" |
| 05:02.29 | hideki | When I installed from the squeeze alpha installer though, it is the new GDM version |
| 05:03.04 | hideki | I do a safe-upgrade every day. But I get errors with full-upgrade. Isn't safe-upgrade recommended anyway ? |
| 05:03.04 | UweBollsFunder | stew: what should I say in the bug report? "denyhosts does not stop the service after running apt-get remove" is this enough? |
| 05:03.20 | stew | hideki: yeah, well you clearly are still stuck partially between squeeze and lenny, so I'm not suprised to find out there are lenny packages install |
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| 05:04.07 | hideki | I think it is only some packages that are old. I am running the latest kernel for example (Sep 17) |
| 05:04.13 | stew | UweBollsFunder: sure. |
| 05:04.20 | hideki | using 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
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| 05:05.01 | Dewi | hideki: safe-upgrade won't risk removing anything |
| 05:05.29 | hideki | I thought that as squeeze heads towards stable, that full-upgrade would eventually work ? |
| 05:05.31 | Dewi | hideki: full-upgrade will do things like remove old incompatible superceded packages |
| 05:05.47 | stew | Dewi: what do you mean by "won't risk removing anything"? |
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| 05:06.42 | Dewi | stew: it only removes packages that are directly receiving an upgrade, it won't cascade down and remove a whole tree to switch over |
| 05:06.52 | hideki | http://pastebin.com/Q0jA3fiB |
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| 05:07.47 | Dewi | hideki: that doesn't sound so bad. You're losing a bunch of libs, but no directly useful packages ,right? |
| 05:08.33 | hideki | I'm not sure. I didn't want to risk breakage. |
| 05:08.40 | stew | and losing the package which was causing the previous problem |
| 05:09.14 | stew | oh wait |
| 05:09.36 | stew | he's saying that the problem is that one package breaks another, but aptitude is correctly knowing to remove the old package and install the new |
| 05:09.51 | hideki | What do you recommend ? |
| 05:10.17 | stew | hideki: that you let it procee |
| 05:10.19 | stew | proceed |
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| 05:10.35 | hideki | Sure ? [Y/n] |
| 05:10.46 | Dewi | hideki: removing libs isn't very risky |
| 05:10.55 | hideki | Are you kidding ? |
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| 05:11.17 | Dewi | no, if anything depended on them it would tell you it was removing them |
| 05:11.23 | hideki | It has led to dependency hell in the past |
| 05:11.34 | hideki | OK. I'll try it. |
| 05:11.48 | Dewi | shrug. They don't carry any state so you can always put them back |
| 05:12.21 | Dewi | (as in, user data, configuration files) |
| 05:12.22 | stew | and he said it correctly. if removing those was going to break other packages, they would be mentioned and be removed at the same time |
| 05:12.35 | UweBollsFunder | "Look intensely at the two listings while allowing your eyes to unfocus. An image of a gnu will eventually appear. Ok, no it won't, but you believed for just a second, didn't you? " who makes jokes like that in documentation? :P |
| 05:12.36 | hideki | I've still never understood much about the package management. |
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| 05:13.13 | hideki | I have however read that I use either apt-get or aptitude exclusively |
| 05:13.43 | hideki | In the past, aptitude has wanted to remove essential files that were installed with apt-get |
| 05:13.52 | hideki | Done. |
| 05:13.56 | UweBollsFunder | !why not aptitude |
| 05:13.56 | dpkg | Many never use the curses frontend but it is still in the binary; aptitude is more memory intensive and slower than apt-get. Its resolver can sometimes produce unexpected results. Many features of aptitude are now in libapt and used by apt-get as well, so the differences between the two have reduced. That said, aptitude is still the best way of to get out of tight spots when running sid or upgrading between releases. |
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| 05:14.21 | ddalton | what is the best way using apps in debian to create a channels.conf file? |
| 05:14.30 | ddalton | dvbscan seems to give errors |
| 05:14.35 | hideki | I had read that aptitude is the official and recommended package manager |
| 05:14.45 | hideki | I used to use apt-get though |
| 05:15.10 | stew | hideki: the reasons to not swtich between the two have lessened. you can usually safely use both, unless you are relying on hold and forbid from aptitude |
| 05:15.16 | hideki | However, the fastest package manager I have used is pacman (on Arch) |
| 05:15.45 | stew | hideki: i don't know what you mean by official, but it is certainly more recommended. it has been the only one recommended for use while upgrading from one releaes to another for several releases |
| 05:15.54 | Stercus | You kids always want to manage your packages faster. |
| 05:15.57 | UweBollsFunder | doesn't speed = less dependency/integrity/whatever checks? |
| 05:16.17 | hideki | kids? |
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| 05:16.45 | stew | UweBollsFunder: both aptitude and apt-get are using libapt for checking dependencies, but aptitude is slower |
| 05:17.25 | grml__ | hi, I have some trouble getting GRUB 2 installed. I installed testing (squeeze) and it failed at the GRUB-install point. I think it might have something to do with the fact that my secondary data-only IDE drive had its jumpers set so that it was the master IDE drive, even though I wanted to boot of my SATA drive. |
| 05:17.36 | Stercus | A joke implying that you desire for faster package management was due to a younger pedal to the metal mentality. |
| 05:17.47 | hideki | I see. |
| 05:17.59 | Jordan_U | grml__: Dod you see a particular error message? |
| 05:18.10 | hideki | At least it's faster than ./configure && make && make install |
| 05:18.15 | grml__ | Not during install, no. |
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| 05:18.34 | grml__ | And during startup: it was too fast to read.. |
| 05:18.43 | Stercus | hideki: Which is why I left gentoo. |
| 05:19.15 | UweBollsFunder | my only knowledge of gentoo is slashdot posts joking about compile times |
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| 05:19.16 | hideki | Stercus: Never used it, but I don't want to wait for days for GNOME to compile |
| 05:19.49 | grml__ | The IDE drive is now slave like it should be, but how exactly can I install GRUB 2? I'm on a live CD (grmlmonster) |
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| 05:20.26 | UweBollsFunder | are gentoo users the riceboys of the Linux community? Or is there a point to compiling everything yourself instead of customizing something like Debian? |
| 05:20.39 | Stercus | hideki: I never noticed any significant gains from compiling from source |
| 05:20.57 | hideki | Mandrake Expatriate Syndrome: http://www.greenfly.org/mes.html |
| 05:21.01 | grml__ | I ran "grub-install -root-directory=/mnt/sda2 /dev/sda", where /mnt/sda2 was my root partition and /dev/sda is my SATA drive |
| 05:21.07 | Stercus | UweBollsFunder: When the amd64 chips were new it was hte way to go |
| 05:21.41 | stew | except that debian had a libc6-amd64, which got you much of the way there |
| 05:21.44 | grml__ | it said "Installation went fine", no errors. But I still can't boot shit, because GRUB won't start.. |
| 05:21.48 | hideki | Stercus: some programs I compile from source if it is not in the repo's or I need extra features |
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| 05:22.02 | Jordan_U | grml__: http://grub.enbug.org/Grub2LiveCdInstallGuide |
| 05:22.04 | stew | UweBollsFunder: for some reason, the gentoo people never actually post benchmarks showing that their efforts are worth any time |
| 05:22.27 | hideki | Seems like some gentoo users like to use it to feel "leet" |
| 05:22.58 | Stercus | stew: Yeah but it was kinda like buying a new sports car, you had to see what it could do. |
| 05:23.06 | hideki | I like the minimal install of Debian/Arch however. Then I decide what I want to install. |
| 05:23.11 | Jordan_U | grml__: Though the command you used should have worked fine as well (as long as the verison of grub2 on your grml CD is compatible with your grub.cfg, which it probably is). |
| 05:23.41 | Jordan_U | grml__: Are you sure you are booting from sda? What happens when you try to boot? |
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| 05:24.49 | hideki | Have you checked the boot order in the BIOS ? |
| 05:25.00 | grml__ | Jordan_U: it says "Loading GRUB..." and the there's a frantically blinking cursor top right |
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| 05:26.14 | Jordan_U | grml__: Could you run boot info script: http://sourceforge.net/projects/bootinfoscript/ and pastebin the RESULTS.txt? |
| 05:26.20 | grml__ | and that's it. And yes, I'm 100% sure I'm booting off my sata drive, I mean I had a dualboot on that very drive before I went for sqeeze. The dualboot used GRUB 1 though, which I'm a little bit more familiar with. |
| 05:26.45 | Stercus | hideki: The l33t feeling fades when you upgrade your system overnight and it crashes in a steaming pile |
| 05:26.52 | hideki | hmm.. |
| 05:27.12 | grml__ | Jordan_U: can you give me a direct link? |
| 05:27.29 | grml__ | I can't get X running and w3m is a little annoying. |
| 05:28.08 | Jordan_U | grml__: http://sourceforge.net/projects/bootinfoscript/files/bootinfoscript/0.55/boot_info_script055.sh/download |
| 05:28.20 | grml__ | Can I wget that? |
| 05:28.25 | Jordan_U | grml__: Yes. |
| 05:29.03 | grml__ | thx. |
| 05:29.10 | Jordan_U | You're welcome. |
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| 05:32.45 | UweBollsFunder | -sshd---sshd---sshd---bash---su---bash---pstree <--- why does it take 3 sshd instances to get a connection going? |
| 05:33.57 | hideki | UweBollsFunder: where do you see that ? |
| 05:34.03 | UweBollsFunder | i typed pstree |
| 05:34.42 | ddalton | r there bugs with dvbscan in debaian? |
| 05:34.43 | ddalton | debian* |
| 05:34.59 | hideki | I get that too, actually |
| 05:35.26 | hideki | |-sshd---sshd---sshd---bash-+-grep |
| 05:35.27 | UweBollsFunder | must be an architectural thing then |
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| 05:36.12 | grml__ | How do I insert a file into my current vim file? |
| 05:36.20 | hideki | I think it might be something to do with a separate local and remote process or something like that |
| 05:36.49 | grml__ | How do I insert a file into my current vim file? Like :include foo.txt |
| 05:37.23 | hideki | grml__: use :r <filename> |
| 05:37.42 | grml__ | thx. |
| 05:38.04 | ddalton | this channels is shit guys |
| 05:38.17 | ddalton | i ask fkin 3 or 4 questions of late, and not one answer |
| 05:38.53 | stew | ddalton: did you check the bts? |
| 05:39.08 | simonrvn | ddalton: you know by now to check the BTS. bitching about "lack of support" for a BTS question is dumb, IMO. |
| 05:39.09 | ddalton | wtf? |
| 05:39.23 | ddalton | bts? |
| 05:39.27 | simonrvn | !bts |
| 05:39.27 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 05:40.19 | grml__ | Jordan_U: GcxxiSTY |
| 05:40.44 | grml__ | seems to be my pastebin ID, duuo how to get the current URL out of w3m.. |
| 05:40.53 | grml__ | *dunno |
| 05:41.05 | UweBollsFunder | ddalton: most people here don't have all the bugs memorized, especiall since you asked an open-ended question "are there bugs in <package>" rather than saying what troubles you have with it. Also it's between 2AM and 5AM in North America. |
| 05:41.22 | stew | ddalton: i only see 2 questions so far. one about a channels.conf file. i haven't tried to do this in 5 years or so, but then the best was was to use dvbscan. the other should be answered by the bts |
| 05:42.21 | stew | ddalton: though you can also search to see if someone else has the same provider as you and already has genereated a channels.conf, of couse |
| 05:43.00 | Jordan_U | grml__: Which pastebin site? |
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| 05:43.24 | ddalton | woo its the first one there ahah |
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| 05:43.55 | simonrvn | grml__: press U then copy it |
| 05:44.05 | grml__ | Jordan_U: pastebin.com |
| 05:44.16 | simonrvn | might have to shift+select the url |
| 05:44.28 | Jordan_U | grml__: In the future you can also use pastebinit. |
| 05:44.51 | ddalton | i suppose ill have to compile from source? |
| 05:44.57 | grml__ | simonrvn: now it says "Goto URL:" and I'm afraid I'll lose my paste. |
| 05:45.17 | simonrvn | copy that url, like i said |
| 05:45.36 | grml__ | There is no URL. |
| 05:46.00 | grml__ | "Goto URL:" that's it. |
| 05:46.42 | simonrvn | should be... |
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| 05:47.19 | Jordan_U | http://pastebin.com/GcxxiSTY is the URL for his paste, and if he wants to make another it's probably better to just use pastebinit anyway. |
| 05:47.43 | simonrvn | yes |
| 05:48.13 | UweBollsFunder | if a package's filelist on packages.debian.org doesn't include anything in /etc/init.d, is it safe to assume it's an on-demand program? or is it possible that during the package the installation script will create those entries? |
| 05:48.25 | Jordan_U | grml__: Can you try booting from sdc? Or chroot in and run grub-install within the chroot (make sure to bind mount /dev/ /proc/ and /sys/). |
| 05:48.45 | grml__ | sdc? Afaik that's my external.. |
| 05:48.54 | grml__ | It's completely encrypted. |
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| 05:49.33 | Jordan_U | grml__: It has a recent snapshot of grub2 installed to its mbr + embedded area. |
| 05:49.59 | grml__ | It looks like my live system |
| 05:50.21 | grml__ | which is debain based. It's grml "grmlmonster" |
| 05:50.31 | simonrvn | UweBollsFunder: i've never known an init script to be auto-generated in debian. |
| 05:50.46 | Jordan_U | grml__: What looks like your live system? |
| 05:50.54 | grml__ | sdc |
| 05:51.08 | UweBollsFunder | simonrvn: ok, thanks |
| 05:52.24 | grml__ | Hm, actually I tke that back. It is my external USB-sata drive. |
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| 05:53.25 | Jordan_U | grml__: Boot from it, then within debian run "dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc" to make sure that sda is installed to on pacakge upgrades rather than sdc. |
| 05:53.29 | grml__ | Which is completely encrypted. /dev/sdb is my IDE slave, which has an old dualboot using GRUB 1, but the OSs on that drive won't boot.. |
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| 05:54.03 | Jordan_U | grml__: Whatever else it is, it's bootable. Try booting it. |
| 05:54.12 | grml__ | I can't... |
| 05:54.29 | grml__ | The ubuntu from that drive ran on my odl jardware, mobo, cpu, ram.. |
| 05:54.37 | grml__ | the xp is fucked |
| 05:54.41 | grml__ | .. |
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| 05:55.14 | Jordan_U | grml__: Just humor me and try booting from it. |
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| 05:55.29 | grml__ | Don't you think I've tried? |
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| 05:55.48 | Jordan_U | What happened when you tried to boot it? |
| 05:56.27 | grml__ | xp i forgot, but it wouldn't work and with ubuntu it got stuck somewhere in the boot-sequence. |
| 05:56.34 | grml__ | Anyway, that ubunt has GRUB 1. |
| 05:56.40 | grml__ | Not GRUB 2. |
| 05:56.56 | grml__ | I can't see how that's going to be useful |
| 05:56.56 | Jordan_U | grml__: That drive has a recent snapshot of grub2 (i.e. from squeeze0 installed to it. |
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| 05:57.31 | grml__ | /dev/sdc1 1 60800 488375968+ c W95 FAT32 (LBA) |
| 05:57.42 | grml__ | is what fdik -l says. |
| 05:57.57 | Jordan_U | grml__: Just try booting from it, and if it doesn't work I will apologize profusely for wasting your time. |
| 05:57.59 | grml__ | So what drive are you talking about? |
| 05:58.06 | Jordan_U | grml__: sdc |
| 05:58.10 | grml__ | It would really help to know. |
| 05:58.31 | grml__ | //dev/sdc1 1 60800 488375968+ c W95 FAT32 (LBA) |
| 05:58.39 | grml__ | arg |
| 05:58.45 | grml__ | /dev/sdc1 1 60800 488375968+ c W95 FAT32 (LBA) |
| 05:59.18 | grml__ | How can that be bootable. |
| 05:59.44 | Jordan_U | grml__: Because it's reading from the /boot partition on sda. |
| 06:00.59 | grml__ | So you're saying I should try to boot into my completely encrypted external USB drive? Just making sure. |
| 06:01.04 | grml__ | Be right back. |
| 06:01.07 | Jordan_U | grml__: Yes. |
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| 06:04.07 | nasi_lemak | i m newbie, i got a http link to a .iso file for download using Iceweasel but it often crash, then i need to re-download & start all over again. Is there any tool that can continue the download start from when the last interruption. |
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| 06:05.46 | Jordan_U | nasi_lemak: wget -c http://www.sitewithaniso.tv/file.iso |
| 06:05.57 | Jordan_U | (From a terminal) |
| 06:06.42 | nasi_lemak | Jordan_U, thanks |
| 06:06.49 | Jordan_U | nasi_lemak: You're welcome. |
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| 06:10.21 | grml__ | and back I am. |
| 06:10.50 | Jordan_U | Didn't boot? |
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| 06:11.19 | grml__ | GRUB actually seemed to start, but then "error: symbol not found 'grub_puchar'" and it dropped me into the GRUB rescue console prompt |
| 06:12.10 | Jordan_U | grml__: Ahh, that's from installing grub from grml (the core.img in sdc is from a newer verison of grub than the modules currently in /boot/grub/). |
| 06:12.45 | grml__ | Ok, can I repair this? E: |
| 06:13.51 | Jordan_U | grml__: Follow this guide: http://grub.enbug.org/Grub2LiveCdInstallGuide (if you can't easily read it, basically chroot into your debian install and run grub-install within the chroot). |
| 06:14.19 | grml__ | Ok, I'll try it. Thanks for your help so far. |
| 06:14.30 | Jordan_U | You're welcome. |
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| 06:29.07 | grml__ | Rebooting now, I'm rather curious as to what will happpen :3 |
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| 06:39.41 | grml__ | Nevermind the nick, I'm actually inside my sueeze install and GRUB 2 works fine. |
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| 06:41.17 | grml__ | Thanks again Jordan_U. Do you have any idea why GRUB didn't work during the normal installation process? Could my secondary harddrive actually being the master IDE have anything to do with it? |
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| 06:57.47 | Jordan_U | grml__: Debian's installer has two bugs, one of which is considered a feature. The first bug is that debian-installer tries to install grub to the "first" drive, rather than the drive you're installing the rest of Debian to. The second bug, which is ackgnowlaged as such, is that it even does this when the "first" drive is a removeable one. |
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| 06:58.24 | metrix | I have several linux/windows machines (some that dual boot) that need to do automated backups to a central Debian server. Are there any suggestions on a good system to do backups with? |
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| 06:59.23 | nsadmin | how do you decide which os to back up automatically on a dual boot? |
| 06:59.26 | Jordan_U | grml__: So you had a perfectly good install of grub2 on sdc, it just should have been on sda instead. BTW, you should run "dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc" or it will keep installing grub to only sdc on grub-pc upgrades. |
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| 06:59.45 | Ogmios | metrix: nfs? or scp/sftp or ftp? |
| 07:00.02 | scifiguy | im missing a file, openssl/ssl.h, how can i find out which package its in with aptitude? |
| 07:00.29 | grml__ | Thanks again Jordan_U :) |
| 07:00.36 | metrix | nsadmin: I don't know.. I was thinking that you could either backup via whatever OS you are currently logged in as, or I could setup backups on the Linux side that would backup the windows machine |
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| 07:01.51 | metrix | Ogmios: I don't think they would be the best choice.. I have used rsync to do backups before which is considerably faster then NFS or sftp.. but since I am backing up so many systems. I thought maybe there is a better solution that someone has already built |
| 07:01.58 | Ogmios | metrix: I was using scripts, NFS and a cheap SCSI tape drive connected to my server for a while |
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| 07:02.32 | Jordan_U | grml__: You're welcome. |
| 07:02.33 | Ogmios | I switched to S3 but depending on the amount of data, there are costs |
| 07:02.38 | sweetpi | scifiguy: its in libssl-dev |
| 07:02.49 | meorero | hi all. |
| 07:02.51 | meorero | I have Debian 506 stable (lenny) I installed phpMyAdmin + MySQL 5.1 [from lenny-backports]. |
| 07:02.52 | meorero | I get the following message: Your PHP MySQL library version 5.0.51a differs from your MySQL server version 5.1.49. This may cause unpredictable behavior. |
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| 07:03.58 | Ogmios | metrix: this is for a work environment? |
| 07:04.11 | metrix | Ogmios: no.. This is for my home |
| 07:04.58 | TehRabbitt | hey everyone... was wondering, I have a piece of software that me and a business partner use but it only works in XP or server 2003... I have a Dual-Xeon server with 4GB of ram, that is currently running debian stable x64... I was wondering whta would be the best way to install XP on that machine (through a console) since I cannot connect a monitor to it... |
| 07:05.06 | TehRabbitt | I want to run XP as a VM |
| 07:05.53 | Ogmios | metrix: are using GigE? |
| 07:06.11 | Ogmios | based on your speed concerns it sounds like no? |
| 07:06.27 | metrix | Ogmios: no 100mbit and wireless-g to a laptop |
| 07:06.33 | scifiguy | TehRabbitt: virtualbox |
| 07:06.51 | hideki | kvm/qemu is good |
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| 07:07.19 | TehRabbitt | what would be the least CPU intensive and at the same time let me connect to it via VNC or such? |
| 07:08.12 | Ogmios | metrix: sounds like rsync is the best choice in my opinion. |
| 07:09.01 | kinglet | Hello all, how can I install my wifi-card on my netbook in debian? It's HPmini 2140 and wifi-card doesn't detect :) |
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| 07:09.30 | TehRabbitt | hideki, will this be a good guide to follow? http://www.techotopia.com/index.php/Installing_a_KVM_Guest_OS_from_the_Command-line_(virt-install) |
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| 07:10.10 | hideki | I don't see anything there |
| 07:10.12 | Ogmios | kinglet: http://www.linlap.com/wiki/hp+mini+2140 |
| 07:10.31 | TehRabbitt | hideki, what do you mean? |
| 07:10.53 | kinglet | Ogmios: tnx mate, lemme see. |
| 07:11.01 | TehRabbitt | or this is better? http://www.howtoforge.com/virtualization-with-kvm-on-a-debian-lenny-server |
| 07:11.42 | hideki | Either should be OK, but I have not setup VM's in a while |
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| 07:12.55 | TehRabbitt | hideki, what if the processor doesn't support hardware virtualization? :-\ |
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| 07:13.16 | TehRabbitt | model name : Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.80GHz |
| 07:13.29 | hideki | Then probably virtualbox would be better |
| 07:13.51 | dsockwell | Morning. I can't boot xen on a 32bit machine. |
| 07:13.52 | hideki | I think qemu can be slow without KVM |
| 07:14.01 | Ogmios | kinglet: http://wiki.debian.org/wl |
| 07:14.13 | buu | Hey, I have a fresh install of debian, that I didn't set up, and when I run /sbin/ifconfig as a normal user I get the message: Warning: cannot open /proc/net/dev (No such file or directory). Limited output. |
| 07:14.15 | dsockwell | qemu is supposed to be glacial without KVM |
| 07:14.22 | Ogmios | kinglet: that might work for that broadcom chipset and those are debian specific instructions |
| 07:14.30 | buu | This seems like *something* is messed up, but I'm not sure where to go from here |
| 07:14.59 | Ogmios | kinglet: might want to verify the chipset though |
| 07:15.15 | TehRabbitt | i guess my biggest issue is the fact that I want it to be as seamless as possible without having to jump through *too* many hoops to get a simple VM that i'm going to rarely connect to up and running |
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| 07:16.00 | TehRabbitt | and this is the only tut i could find for installing it on lenny :-\ http://www.howtoforge.com/installing-virtualbox-2-on-a-debian-lenny-desktop |
| 07:16.05 | simonrvn | buu: mount /proc? ;) |
| 07:16.18 | Ogmios | kinglet: I am pretty sure those debian instructions will cover you |
| 07:16.22 | dsockwell | TehRabbitt: I run virtualbox on lenny |
| 07:16.36 | buu | simonrvn: Well, I have a proc. Running sudo /sbin/ifconfig; produces expected output |
| 07:16.37 | dsockwell | go to virtualbox.org and add the repository to your apt sources.list |
| 07:16.37 | TehRabbitt | dsockwell, what version? |
| 07:16.40 | dsockwell | then apt-get install virtulbox |
| 07:16.43 | dsockwell | TehRabbitt: 3.2.8 |
| 07:16.45 | simonrvn | buu: check to see if it's fstab |
| 07:16.49 | simonrvn | ah ok |
| 07:16.55 | TehRabbitt | how do you install that version? is it in the repository? |
| 07:16.58 | buu | simonrvn: When I run ls as a normal user I get ls: reading directory /proc/net: Invalid argument |
| 07:17.09 | buu | simonrvn: proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) |
| 07:17.16 | dsockwell | TehRabbitt: as i said, go to virtualbox.org and add their private repository |
| 07:17.27 | kinglet | Ogmios: Yup, I'm reading the wiki and hope that will worked. |
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| 07:17.34 | simonrvn | buu: -r--r--r-- 1 root root 0 sep 29 03:17 /proc/net/dev |
| 07:17.50 | kinglet | Ogmios: tnx mate. |
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| 07:17.55 | Ogmios | kinglet: np |
| 07:18.04 | TehRabbitt | wtf? what is lucid, karmic, jaunty, intrepid, and hardy? |
| 07:18.20 | simonrvn | TehRabbitt: not relevant here ;) |
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| 07:18.28 | TehRabbitt | apparently they're debian distributions but what are they 0_o |
| 07:18.31 | dsockwell | TehRabbitt: deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian lenny non-free |
| 07:18.39 | dsockwell | TehRabbitt: also those are ubuntu flavors |
| 07:18.45 | TehRabbitt | well yes, i see that one, but i dont recognize the others |
| 07:18.47 | TehRabbitt | Ohhhhhh |
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| 07:18.59 | o_3 | what is the hostname in a gnu/linux system actually good for? well, seems to be a stupid question, let me explain... |
| 07:18.59 | dsockwell | we don't like to mention them here ;) |
| 07:19.03 | TehRabbitt | i just saw squeeze, lenny, and etch and was like "Uhhhh wtf are the other ones" |
| 07:19.05 | hideki | TehRabbitt: go to #ubuntu |
| 07:19.05 | buu | simonrvn: Yes, that's what mine looks like? |
| 07:19.11 | TehRabbitt | hahaha |
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| 07:19.20 | TehRabbitt | naw it's ok... now i know what they are... |
| 07:19.25 | buu | simonrvn: -r--r--r-- 1 root root 0 2010-09-28 23:17 /proc/net/dev |
| 07:19.31 | dsockwell | you're still mentioning them :| |
| 07:19.31 | TehRabbitt | never messed with ubuntu so i didn't know what they were |
| 07:19.53 | o_3 | when i set the system's hostname during installation, the only effect that that has is that i am someuser@hostname later on the system, right? |
| 07:19.59 | scifiguy | Census data: Marriages last year at lowest level on record, income gap widens, food stamps up |
| 07:20.02 | simonrvn | buu: what about ifconfig? |
| 07:20.08 | scifiguy | xchan |
| 07:20.22 | buu | simonrvn: The .. permissions? |
| 07:20.25 | simonrvn | yes |
| 07:20.27 | hideki | buu: I have the same permissions on my /proc/net/dev. It must be something else. |
| 07:20.32 | o_3 | i cannot, for example, ping another *nix machine by hostname out of the box |
| 07:20.43 | simonrvn | yeh, i'm running down the list |
| 07:20.53 | dsockwell | o_3: it helps if you have a private dns server |
| 07:21.12 | o_3 | i know about dns, but my question is somehow different |
| 07:21.28 | at0m | o_3: it isnt. DNS links hostnames to IP's |
| 07:21.39 | dsockwell | and that's what they're for |
| 07:21.44 | o_3 | if i wanted to use pinging by hostname, i would either have to set up the same /etc/hosts on all systems or tell the dns server |
| 07:21.50 | Ogmios | or you can manually update /etc/hosts |
| 07:22.17 | Ogmios | o_3: or use something like NIS+ |
| 07:22.18 | Bushmills | o_3: some programs may use them, for example molly-guard prompts for name when shutting down over ssh, to assure you're shutting down the right machine |
| 07:22.44 | dsockwell | it also helps to tell your machines apart whilst remotely logged in |
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| 07:23.03 | o_3 | but, then i tell the dns server "mymachine" = [ip] . where is the connection to the hostname of the system. what if i would simnply type some arbitrary name that does not match my actual hostname |
| 07:23.10 | Bushmills | mail servers and clients may use them too |
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| 07:23.41 | Ogmios | o_3: then no dns match unless you have a wildcard A record |
| 07:23.51 | TehRabbitt | :-\ why does apt-get install Virtualbox-3.2 try to install KDE :-\ |
| 07:24.02 | buu | simonrvn: http://nopaste.snit.ch/23798 |
| 07:24.08 | dsockwell | TehRabbitt: because the virtulbox management program relies on KDE libraries. |
| 07:24.11 | dsockwell | a few of those won't hurt you |
| 07:24.16 | Bushmills | for dns records, you're free to chose hostnames. may be different from how you named your machine. |
| 07:24.27 | TehRabbitt | dsockwell, 348MB of them? |
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| 07:24.37 | Bushmills | and you can give a machine many host names per dns |
| 07:24.44 | simonrvn | buu: ah, beautiful, was gonna ask you for that ;) |
| 07:24.49 | Bushmills | actually, an interface, not a machine |
| 07:24.50 | TehRabbitt | err 378MB correction |
| 07:25.00 | o_3 | so, if my hostname was xyz and i told the dns server: 192.168.1.??? abc, it would not be possible to ping abc and come out at the respective address? |
| 07:25.04 | dsockwell | that's ... |
| 07:25.15 | dsockwell | i run KDE natively |
| 07:25.23 | dsockwell | but it sort of sounds about right |
| 07:25.30 | TehRabbitt | i mean this isn't goping to be a full fledged KDE install right? |
| 07:25.39 | buu | simonrvn: Doesn't seem terribly useful |
| 07:25.40 | Ogmios | o_3: host file is checked first but then DNS would be checked for abc |
| 07:25.42 | TehRabbitt | it's a headless machine |
| 07:25.54 | pLr | TehRabbitt: try virtualbox from oracle.com |
| 07:26.01 | Bushmills | o_3: dns resolving doesn't care about hostname assigned host name |
| 07:26.02 | dsockwell | TehRabbitt: what CPU? |
| 07:26.17 | TehRabbitt | Dual Xeon 3.8Ghz x64 |
| 07:26.28 | dsockwell | VT-x? |
| 07:26.35 | TehRabbitt | not supported |
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| 07:26.43 | o_3 | ok, then hostname doesn't seem that relevant after all. |
| 07:27.00 | Bushmills | not for dns resolving. more for other purposes. |
| 07:27.08 | simonrvn | buu: what about /dev/shm/ and /dev/shm/network? readable by your user? |
| 07:27.25 | o_3 | i'm asking this, because i wanted to explain to someone, why each nix machine has a name and realized that i was actually unable to do it. |
| 07:27.35 | dsockwell | TehRabbitt: you just want an easy VM for screwing around? |
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| 07:27.44 | TehRabbitt | it's actualy hyperthreaded 3.8Ghz :-\ |
| 07:27.45 | TehRabbitt | flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx lm constant_tsc pebs bts pni monitor ds_cpl est tm2 cid cx16 xtpr |
| 07:27.46 | TehRabbitt | bogomips : 7600.40 |
| 07:27.49 | Ogmios | o_3: windows machines have names |
| 07:27.55 | buu | simonrvn: /dev/shm appears to be empty |
| 07:28.00 | TehRabbitt | theres one of those for processors 0-3 |
| 07:28.05 | simonrvn | buu: hmm |
| 07:28.09 | Ogmios | o_3: any modern os assigns local names |
| 07:28.10 | dsockwell | TehRabbitt: you just want an easy VM for screwing around? |
| 07:28.14 | TehRabbitt | dsockwell, its' to run ONE piece of software that I use for accounting |
| 07:28.23 | dsockwell | haha |
| 07:28.24 | o_3 | i know, just wanted to explain reasons |
| 07:28.25 | Bushmills | o_3: people have names too, and not only for purpose of getting mail delivered |
| 07:28.25 | TehRabbitt | it relies heavily on the Office 2007 suite |
| 07:28.34 | simonrvn | buu: is your network up? (i gotta ask) |
| 07:28.35 | o_3 | right |
| 07:28.38 | dsockwell | TehRabbitt: get ye to vmware.com and try vmware server |
| 07:28.48 | buu | simonrvn: I'm talking to you from that box! =] |
| 07:28.55 | TehRabbitt | vmware, and how much do they want for that 0_o |
| 07:29.01 | dsockwell | first one's free |
| 07:29.10 | TehRabbitt | eh |
| 07:29.17 | dsockwell | just running your one windows box is free |
| 07:29.29 | Ogmios | Bushmills sums it up perfectly |
| 07:29.33 | TehRabbitt | but if i wanted to add a 2nd system down the line, it comes a cost |
| 07:29.36 | simonrvn | buu: ok, just checking budy :) |
| 07:29.39 | simonrvn | buddy* |
| 07:29.54 | dsockwell | they start asking for $$$$$ if you want things like live migration and SANs and other big-money stuff |
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| 07:30.08 | TehRabbitt | ah lol |
| 07:30.27 | simonrvn | /etc/init.d/ifupdown and /etc/init.d/ifupdown-clean run at boot to do stuff with /dev/shm/network/ifstate |
| 07:30.29 | TehRabbitt | so virtualbox isn't the way to go? |
| 07:30.43 | dsockwell | on a headless machine, probably not |
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| 07:31.18 | kinglet | Ogmios: oh! I got this error blackbox:/home/kinglet/Downloads/hybrid-portsrc-x86_32-v5.60.48.36# make |
| 07:31.22 | kinglet | KBUILD_NOPEDANTIC=1 make -C /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build M=`pwd` |
| 07:31.24 | kinglet | make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/build: No such file or directory. Stop. |
| 07:31.27 | kinglet | make: *** [all] Error 2 |
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| 07:32.23 | buu | simonrvn: Well I didn't bring this machine up, and it's remote, so I'd really like to avoid messing with that. |
| 07:32.27 | Ogmios | kinglet: are you on Lenny? |
| 07:32.30 | TehRabbitt | dsockwell, i mean all it's really for is to run office 2007 along with a specific accounting software (microsoft accounting 2008) that will only run in windows... I want to be able to VNC into the software from pretty much anywhere to fill out invoices, setup quotes, etc... but right now i've got it on my laptop and if my partner needs to look up a quote for instance, he's gotta call me, i've gotta look it up, text it back to h |
| 07:32.30 | TehRabbitt | im, it becomes a hassel |
| 07:32.38 | TehRabbitt | hassle* |
| 07:32.38 | kinglet | Ogmios: Yes |
| 07:32.43 | Ogmios | and are you using the Debian Wiki instructions? |
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| 07:32.52 | dadrian | hello, any clue on how can i find out the original instalation date of a debian system ? it must be around 6-7 years old |
| 07:33.03 | kinglet | Ogmios: I'm new in debian, I was in Ubuntu before. |
| 07:33.12 | dsockwell | TehRabbitt: http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?t=6663 |
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| 07:33.23 | Bushmills | dadrian: /var/log .. there may be dpkg.log or apt* |
| 07:33.35 | Ogmios | kinglet: I gave you two URLs, the first was for drivers and patches you build yourself |
| 07:33.39 | simonrvn | buu: what i'm getting at this, did it come up properly? maybe it's booted oddly, or some things FUBARed on the way up. |
| 07:33.44 | hideki | dadrian: what does stat /lost+found return ? |
| 07:33.54 | TehRabbitt | dsockwell, so just run vboxheadless basically and call it a day? |
| 07:34.01 | Ogmios | kinglet: the second url was for debian instructions for lenny and squeeze |
| 07:34.12 | buu | simonrvn: I'm not sure, how would I checl? |
| 07:34.29 | Bushmills | dadrian: alternatively, look at creation date of some more obscure directories |
| 07:34.44 | Ogmios | kinglet: if you go with the debian wiki url, I think it will be a smoother ride |
| 07:34.52 | simonrvn | check the logs, dmesg |
| 07:34.53 | dsockwell | TehRabbitt: i have always just used either a desktop or xen HVM for windows |
| 07:34.59 | hideki | Usually /lost+found will have the timestamp of the filesystem creation date |
| 07:35.00 | dadrian | hideki: Access: 2010-09-29 06:25:33.000000000 +0300 ; Modify: 2004-06-13 02:25:10.000000000 +0300 ; Change: 2006-02-28 23:50:16.000000000 +0200 |
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| 07:35.17 | dadrian | guess it's 2004-06-13 then |
| 07:35.19 | buu | Woah |
| 07:35.23 | hideki | I think 2004-06-13 is your install date |
| 07:35.25 | dsockwell | TehRabbitt: perhaps someone in #vbox or #virtualbox (whichever it is) will help |
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| 07:35.33 | TehRabbitt | aight thanks |
| 07:35.34 | kinglet | Ogmios: I didnt get second URL. just linlap wiki. |
| 07:35.39 | buu | simonrvn: 29 Sep 03:35:11 ntpdate[25972]: step time server 64.73.32.134 offset 14456.503259 sec |
| 07:35.46 | Ogmios | oh, here http://wiki.debian.org/wl |
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| 07:35.59 | buu | simonrvn: Sadly, not the problem. But amusing. |
| 07:36.00 | dadrian | hideki , Bushmills thanks |
| 07:36.01 | Ogmios | sorry, you were probably reading when I sent it |
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| 07:36.08 | hideki | roger |
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| 07:36.39 | Agiofws | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-396122032591841175# |
| 07:37.29 | kinglet | Ogmios: I searched so much but I didnt find a good way to install it, So I came here for your kindly helps. |
| 07:38.19 | Ogmios | kinglet: we know you have many choices when it comes to Linux distros, thank you for choosing Debian. Have a good day! |
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| 07:38.57 | hideki | That's GNU/Linux distros |
| 07:39.07 | dsockwell | that's GNU/Linux(TM) distros |
| 07:39.08 | Ogmios | sorry |
| 07:39.23 | hideki | And Debian is not just linux, it can run kFreeBSD kernel |
| 07:39.28 | Ogmios | Linux is just a kernel |
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| 07:40.08 | TehRabbitt | :-\ umm... while I was installing apt-get virtualbox-3.2 it disconnected me from SSH / now it's just timing out... last thing on the screen is as follows: |
| 07:40.09 | TehRabbitt | Selecting previously deselected package libqca2. |
| 07:40.09 | TehRabbitt | Unpacking libqca2 (from .../libqca2_2.0.0-4_amd64.deb) ... |
| 07:40.12 | Ogmios | See, I was trying to show community and now I am getting dinged on technicalities :P |
| 07:40.16 | TehRabbitt | any ideas? |
| 07:40.51 | TehRabbitt | I can't even ping the machine :-\ |
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| 07:41.09 | dsockwell | ouch |
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| 07:41.28 | TehRabbitt | dsockwell, any ideas of what just happened? |
| 07:41.28 | dsockwell | throw a console on it and see what's happening? |
| 07:41.28 | nordin | goodmorning :) |
| 07:41.45 | dsockwell | TehRabbitt: how old is this box? |
| 07:41.48 | TehRabbitt | dsockwell, can't... |
| 07:41.59 | TehRabbitt | how old is it physically? or how old is the install? |
| 07:42.03 | dsockwell | the hardware |
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| 07:42.15 | TehRabbitt | hardware is 2009 |
| 07:42.26 | dsockwell | really? and no vt-x? |
| 07:42.43 | TehRabbitt | well late 2008 / early 2009 |
| 07:42.57 | TehRabbitt | it was right before they released the VT-X xeons / dual-core xeons |
| 07:43.06 | TehRabbitt | i mean that's when i bought it |
| 07:43.12 | dsockwell | hm. |
| 07:43.19 | beha | howdy…how can i add a ca certificate to a debian box so that gnutls will accept it as a root cert by default? i have a PEM for a CA in /etc/ssl/certs, and openssl picks it up after c_rehash, but gnutls doesn't |
| 07:43.23 | dsockwell | do you have physical access to the server? |
| 07:44.13 | beha | which makes my python-ldap fail since the ldap library seems to use gnutls but doesn't support the options for setting the ca cert dir/file for gnutls |
| 07:44.32 | TehRabbitt | not really :-\ it's in a rack downstairs, and I can't really get to it right now |
| 07:44.57 | TehRabbitt | uhhh Pinging 192.168.1.70 with 32 bytes of data: |
| 07:44.57 | TehRabbitt | Reply from 192.168.1.151: Destination host unreachable. |
| 07:45.01 | dsockwell | any history of randomassed reboots? |
| 07:45.09 | TehRabbitt | dsockwell, Nope |
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| 07:46.02 | dsockwell | well there's a first time for everything. every time that's happened to me it's been a hardware issue |
| 07:46.30 | dsockwell | either RAM or PSU |
| 07:46.35 | dsockwell | sometimes the disk |
| 07:46.58 | pif | hi, can I get rid of localized messages in /usr/share/locale/* ? |
| 07:47.08 | pif | I only need english |
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| 07:47.22 | TehRabbitt | hmph well i just installed new RAM so that could be it :-\ |
| 07:47.39 | TehRabbitt | earlier in the night i swapped from 2 sticks of 512MB to 2 sticks of 2GB each |
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| 07:47.49 | nordin | beha: sorry can't help you, hopefully someone else here can help you. |
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| 07:47.51 | TehRabbitt | but no issues for the past 5 hours |
| 07:48.03 | nordin | just be patient :) |
| 07:48.06 | dudz_ | TehRabbitt: debian is a rather good operating system. |
| 07:48.35 | TehRabbitt | dudz_, Yes, i'm aware, i'm just wondering if somehow networking got restarted or such by aptitude during the install 0_o |
| 07:48.49 | dsockwell | TehRabbitt: what else is on that rack? |
| 07:48.55 | dudz_ | this a colo TehRabbitt ? |
| 07:48.58 | TehRabbitt | dsockwell, a switch, and another server |
| 07:49.21 | dsockwell | can you ping either? |
| 07:49.28 | dudz_ | whats that netsyslog or whatever its called ? |
| 07:49.30 | TehRabbitt | dudz_, no, it's a server in my basement that I can't really get to right now because it's 4AM and other people are sleeping in the room next to it |
| 07:49.33 | Ogmios | can you ping broadcast? |
| 07:49.39 | TehRabbitt | dsockwell, can't ping it |
| 07:49.45 | TehRabbitt | Ogmios, what do you mean? |
| 07:49.47 | dudz_ | oh TehRabbitt |
| 07:49.48 | dsockwell | can't ping either server |
| 07:49.50 | dsockwell | ? |
| 07:49.56 | TehRabbitt | the other server I can |
| 07:50.02 | Ogmios | 192.168.1.255 |
| 07:50.19 | dudz_ | TehRabbitt: do you live in tasmaina/australia and have a 100/100 internet connection that i can rent some rack space from ? |
| 07:50.25 | dsockwell | TehRabbitt: when you get down there, configure your BIOS to reboot after a power loss |
| 07:50.31 | TehRabbitt | Pinging 192.168.1.255 with 32 bytes of data: |
| 07:50.31 | TehRabbitt | Reply from 192.168.1.237: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=255 |
| 07:50.31 | Ogmios | add the -b flag |
| 07:50.38 | Ogmios | ping -b 192.168.1.255 |
| 07:50.49 | TehRabbitt | dudz_, no sorry, I live in the US but I do have 50/50 internet lol |
| 07:51.02 | dsockwell | TehRabbitt: how |
| 07:51.06 | TehRabbitt | dsockwell, it's configured that way |
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| 07:51.13 | TehRabbitt | how what? |
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| 07:51.25 | dudz_ | TehRabbitt: damn, i need .au colocation in someones house or buisness so i don't need to pay rediculas colocation fee's |
| 07:51.42 | dsockwell | TehRabbitt: if it's configured to reboot after a power loss and it's not coming back after a randomassed reboot then blame the PSU |
| 07:52.01 | rgr | Why would an auto gdm login NOT source .gnomerc? |
| 07:52.02 | TehRabbitt | ah lol.. used to know someone in australia who had dual OC-48's or the equivlant there... :-\ used to lease me space on his server lol |
| 07:52.11 | TehRabbitt | turnerzworld was his website |
| 07:52.34 | dudz_ | TehRabbitt: damn, i need to associate with someone excellent like that |
| 07:52.58 | Ogmios | TehRabbitt: when you pinged broadcast, did you get any reponses from an IP your were not expecting? |
| 07:53.01 | TehRabbitt | dsockwell, but wait, what if its not off / it's just hung up from aptitude trying to install something or such? |
| 07:53.08 | dsockwell | TehRabbitt: unlikely |
| 07:53.18 | TehRabbitt | Ogmios, Nope... |
| 07:53.27 | TehRabbitt | dudz_, look him up: Alex Turner |
| 07:53.43 | dsockwell | TehRabbitt: not much to do about it until you get down there with a console |
| 07:53.43 | TehRabbitt | he's like 16 and a multimillionare |
| 07:54.07 | TehRabbitt | dsockwell, sadly i'm not even sure if i have a serial cable to console with :-\ |
| 07:54.09 | TehRabbitt | lol |
| 07:54.37 | Ogmios | TehRabbitt: take this time to get the pinouts and build one :P |
| 07:54.45 | dsockwell | TehRabbitt: you can hotplug VGA and PS/2 |
| 07:54.49 | TehRabbitt | Ogmios, funny lol |
| 07:55.25 | TehRabbitt | dsockwell, well yes, but i don't have a spare LCD unless I plan on taking my 22" off my desk, moving my desk to remove it from my desktop, bring it downstairs and somehow setup a table next to the rack to put it on lol |
| 07:55.43 | TehRabbitt | or carry the 150lb server up 3 flights of stairs :-\ |
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| 07:55.53 | dsockwell | it'll be off by then, so no point |
| 07:56.23 | dsockwell | maybe you should rent a windows VPS for your finance app |
| 07:56.51 | TehRabbitt | dsockwell, i don't have that kind of money to be honest... and I figured this machine would be sufficient to make life a bit easier... |
| 07:57.34 | dsockwell | what kind of a finance app is it that you can't just run gnucash or something? |
| 07:57.40 | TehRabbitt | honestly all the app basically is for invoicing and quotes... but it'll only run in windows, and only on one machine (you can't have multiple copies running and saving data onto a server... it's all localhost) |
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| 07:58.14 | Ogmios | TehRabbitt: can you not install virtualbox on your desktop there? it works pretty well on even modest hardware |
| 07:58.17 | TehRabbitt | dsockwell, I'll put it this way... get MSSQL, ODBC, Word2007, Excel2007, and Access2007 working nativly within debian then it would work |
| 07:58.31 | TehRabbitt | IF it can actually think it's on a windows machine |
| 07:58.32 | Ogmios | TehRabbitt: ouch, nevermind |
| 07:58.50 | dsockwell | yeah what are the specs on the machine you're using now/ |
| 07:58.50 | hideki | TehRabbitt: That's proprietary |
| 07:58.51 | TehRabbitt | yea :-\ |
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| 07:59.32 | TehRabbitt | the machine i'm using right now is a windows 7 machine with 2 linux VMs on it.. quad-core with Virtualization, 8GB ram... 5TB of space |
| 07:59.37 | TehRabbitt | that's my desktop |
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| 07:59.56 | dsockwell | and |
| 07:59.57 | Ogmios | jeebus |
| 07:59.59 | TehRabbitt | my laptop, is debian squeeze, 4GB ram 500 GB drive |
| 08:00.06 | TehRabbitt | dual-core core2duo |
| 08:00.11 | TehRabbitt | 2.4ghz |
| 08:00.15 | dsockwell | and |
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| 08:00.29 | TehRabbitt | I don't leave my desktop on during the day, nor my laptop |
| 08:00.46 | hideki | My desktop is debian squeeze, 4GB ram C2D with 250GB root, and 3 TB RAID 10 /home |
| 08:00.50 | dsockwell | and you want to use unreliable, old hardware to run a clusterfuck of an app on an emulated windows install? |
| 08:00.54 | Ogmios | I don |
| 08:00.54 | TehRabbitt | my business partner uses the software as well, and I have VNC setup on the XP laptop I have, (500Mhz, 256MB ram) |
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| 08:01.11 | TehRabbitt | dsockwell, how is it onld unreliable hardware? |
| 08:01.16 | Ogmios | I don't have a squeeze box :( |
| 08:01.16 | BasilBot | Mama's got a squeeze box she wears on her chest and when Daddy comes home he never gets no rest. |
| 08:01.18 | dsockwell | well ok, maybe it isn't old |
| 08:01.21 | TehRabbitt | 4GB of ddr2 and dual 3.2Ghz xeons? |
| 08:01.32 | hideki | BasilBot: RUDE ! |
| 08:01.35 | TehRabbitt | i mean even the drives are in RAID5 / RAID1 for the OS install |
| 08:01.57 | dsockwell | don't forget it crashes for no reason now |
| 08:02.25 | TehRabbitt | i'm just trying to move the app off my laptop (that i've gotta leave plugged in and on for right now 24/7) so my partner can invoice customers |
| 08:02.38 | TehRabbitt | mind you i can't use my laptop if he's using it removely |
| 08:02.40 | TehRabbitt | remotely* |
| 08:03.24 | TehRabbitt | so i figured, set up a VM on the server that had an uptime for over 230 days, and just call it a day |
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| 08:04.01 | TehRabbitt | today was the first day i turned it off to install the new ram, and a new HDD controller... a silicon graphics S-ATA external RAID controller |
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| 08:04.14 | dsockwell | honestly it sounds like a bad PSU |
| 08:04.14 | TehRabbitt | so I can add 4 external SATA arrays |
| 08:04.17 | Jerdent | Hello ! I am now connected to an altered debian box I don't know which version and I don't really know about debian either. I'd like to install a postgresql 8.4.3 client in order to pg_dump the 7.4.7 server so that I can migrate the db on an another pg 8.4 box. Anyway, I'd like to download the pg_dump binary because I can't compile it from source (gcc and cc unavailable??). Thanks for your help |
| 08:04.34 | TehRabbitt | dsockwell, it's dual redundant PSU's, two seperate circuits |
| 08:04.51 | dsockwell | then it sounds like a bad VRM on your motherboard |
| 08:05.05 | TehRabbitt | and if both failed, i wouldn't be online, because the switch that controls internet to this machien is on the same circuit |
| 08:05.06 | TehRabbitt | VRM? |
| 08:05.11 | Jerdent | I can't find how to download and install an already built package for debian |
| 08:05.13 | dsockwell | voltage regulator |
| 08:06.37 | TehRabbitt | i just remembered, the server has "Lightpath diagnostics" tells if there is a hardware failure / lights up on a lil control panel telling you what bank / component failed and even lights up LEDs around the device... i'm gonna quietly sneak down there, and see if anything lit up... I know it wouldn't post earlier when the SATA controller was in PCI slot B so i put it in slot C and it booted... perhaps bad PCI card caused a panic? |
| 08:06.49 | dsockwell | :| |
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| 08:07.01 | dsockwell | sounds awful |
| 08:07.07 | dsockwell | don't cuss too loud |
| 08:07.09 | cerpintaxt | i am trying to share a directory in network. added a user "shareuser" and configured the smb.conf to access the directory /home/tauschen but it does not appear in the shares list - what am i doing wrong? |
| 08:07.10 | TehRabbitt | what does? |
| 08:07.13 | cerpintaxt | here the smb.conf file http://pastebin.com/GXVvVcHY |
| 08:07.40 | TehRabbitt | lol wish me luck, and that the PSU1/PSU2 and VRM lights aren't lit up :-| lol |
| 08:07.49 | dsockwell | good luck |
| 08:07.56 | TehRabbitt | brb |
| 08:08.03 | dsockwell | sends TehRabbitt's server a HALT_CATCH_FIRE command |
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| 08:08.53 | sweetpi | cerpintaxt: iirc you need "browseable = yes" to show up in the list |
| 08:09.40 | sweetpi | cerpintaxt: did you reload samba? |
| 08:10.51 | cerpintaxt | added the browseable line in the section and /etc/init.d/samba restart then but still same |
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| 08:11.03 | cerpintaxt | only share i see on my machine is print$ |
| 08:11.16 | dsockwell | /= |
| 08:11.41 | sweetpi | cerpintaxt: do /home and /home/tauschen have execute permissions? |
| 08:11.55 | dsockwell | just remembered ecualyptus has packages for centos too |
| 08:11.57 | TehRabbitt | just rebooted lol |
| 08:12.13 | TehRabbitt | and funny dsockwell :-p haha |
| 08:12.20 | dsockwell | maybe centos will boot xen on a 32bit processor |
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| 08:12.31 | cerpintaxt | these are the permissions of the directory: drwxr-xr-x 2 nobody nogroup 4096 29. Sep 09:12 tauschen |
| 08:12.48 | dsockwell | TehRabbitt: still sounds mysterious and powery |
| 08:12.56 | TheAvatar | does anybody use "Snare" (logging util)? Im wondering, if I can transfer windows eventlogs to a remote syslog server using TCP, or if it can only UDP syslog. I'd rather not install it if it can not |
| 08:13.00 | sweetpi | cerpintaxt: both directories? |
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| 08:13.30 | dsockwell | TehRabbitt: bad power circuits can wreck a lot of hardware, you should see to it. at least check your supply voltages with a multimeter. |
| 08:13.59 | cerpintaxt | yes, drwxr-xr-x 8 root root 4096 29. Sep 09:12 home |
| 08:13.59 | TehRabbitt | still nothing yet :-\ waiting for it to reboot |
| 08:14.05 | TehRabbitt | the machine was on / no errors as i could see :-\ |
| 08:14.13 | dsockwell | eep. |
| 08:14.25 | sweetpi | cerpintaxt: been a while since ive messed with samba, maybe "public = yes" |
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| 08:15.22 | TehRabbitt | i mean i was the one to reboot it.... pulled the plug, on both PSUs, waited for it to spin down fully... waited another 30 seconds, then plugged it in again and it immediatally went VEERRRRRRRRRR with all 16 6000RPM fans kicking on |
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| 08:15.52 | TehRabbitt | though i do know it takes a full 2-3 min to post fully because it does a RAM check every time, then the 4 different RAID cards |
| 08:15.53 | TehRabbitt | lol |
| 08:16.01 | hideki | 6000RPM? That could kill ! |
| 08:16.06 | TehRabbitt | w00t |
| 08:16.07 | TehRabbitt | Pinging 192.168.1.70 with 32 bytes of data: |
| 08:16.07 | TehRabbitt | Reply from 192.168.1.70: bytes=32 time=9ms TTL=64 |
| 08:16.10 | TehRabbitt | back online |
| 08:16.21 | TehRabbitt | hideki, yes i know, it's LOUD 0_o |
| 08:16.27 | pLr | !punctuation | TehRabbitt |
| 08:16.30 | pLr | :P |
| 08:16.36 | TehRabbitt | though the fans are reduntant as well lol |
| 08:16.50 | dsockwell | 6000? |
| 08:16.53 | TehRabbitt | Yes. |
| 08:16.58 | dsockwell | i've got a 1u that spools to 14k |
| 08:16.58 | TehRabbitt | small little 2" fans |
| 08:17.09 | TehRabbitt | 0_o lol wow |
| 08:17.29 | dsockwell | i generally wear earplugs to the network closet |
| 08:17.32 | TehRabbitt | yea my drives are 15K RPM drives, but the fans are 6K RPM but 2" and loud |
| 08:17.37 | cerpintaxt | even with public = yes it is still same :/ |
| 08:17.44 | TehRabbitt | lol yea it sounds like a low "WEERRRRRRRRRR" down there |
| 08:18.25 | petern_ | drives aren't, of course, designed to push air around :) |
| 08:18.55 | TehRabbitt | petern_, lol i know, i'm just saying the noise everything makes |
| 08:19.07 | hideki | 15,000 rpm drives are what the "big boys" use |
| 08:19.12 | TehRabbitt | the drives sound like a 747 taking off when all 8 kick on |
| 08:19.12 | sweetpi | cerpintaxt: not sure then, just check a box and it only has path, browseable, and guest ok set |
| 08:19.21 | sweetpi | s/check/checked/ |
| 08:19.51 | TehRabbitt | hideki, yes, i know that's why i've got 8 149GB 15,000 RPM drives lol it's loud, yes, but fast |
| 08:19.56 | TehRabbitt | SCSI 320 |
| 08:20.02 | cerpintaxt | hm so the error is not in the smb.conf file it seems |
| 08:20.10 | TehRabbitt | actually outperforms my SATA WD Black 1TB drive |
| 08:20.18 | dsockwell | hehe |
| 08:20.27 | dsockwell | i have some 15k fibre channel drives stashed |
| 08:20.30 | TehRabbitt | then again the 1TB is only 7200 RPM lol |
| 08:20.44 | TehRabbitt | 0_o wanna give them to me? haha |
| 08:20.52 | dsockwell | i was saving them for a SAN head that i have been meaning to hack |
| 08:21.00 | TehRabbitt | loves fibre channel haha |
| 08:21.09 | dsockwell | no they're mine |
| 08:21.17 | TehRabbitt | lol |
| 08:21.22 | sweetpi | cerpintaxt: maybe check on local machine to see if you can browse the share |
| 08:21.24 | TehRabbitt | they're so expensive on ebay :( |
| 08:21.50 | dsockwell | i think i paid $28 ea |
| 08:22.21 | TehRabbitt | not bad lol |
| 08:22.47 | TehRabbitt | found out why it took so long to boot 0_o the RAID1 array showed up as "not clean" due to the improper shutdown...so it started reconstruction / comparison 0_o |
| 08:23.03 | dsockwell | too bad my san shelf requires drives to be signed by IBM to prove that I paid $300 too much for them |
| 08:23.12 | cerpintaxt | yeah, i am testing already on my local machine and do not see the specific share "tauschen" (via gnome -> network -> myMachine) - just print$ |
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| 08:23.44 | TehRabbitt | hmph is there a specific log i should be looking at to see what the hell happened before? |
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| 08:23.53 | dsockwell | /var/log/messages |
| 08:24.04 | cerpintaxt | when i enter testparm the [tauschen] share does not appear either |
| 08:24.54 | TehRabbitt | dsockwell, it only goes back to the last reboot :-\ |
| 08:24.57 | sweetpi | cerpintaxt: hmm.. what is the path to the file you are editing? |
| 08:25.02 | TehRabbitt | at about 5 min ago |
| 08:25.06 | TehRabbitt | :( |
| 08:25.17 | dsockwell | :| |
| 08:25.26 | cerpintaxt | /usr/share/samba/smb.conf |
| 08:25.52 | sweetpi | cerpintaxt: heh. cp /usr/share/samba/smb.conf /etc/samba/ |
| 08:26.09 | cerpintaxt | omg xD |
| 08:26.31 | dsockwell | i take back everything i said about the debian squeeze installer and its useless dialogs |
| 08:26.47 | dsockwell | i had forgotten about centos' "Welcome to CentOS" popup |
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| 08:27.19 | cerpintaxt | huh now it works XD thanks man |
| 08:27.32 | sweetpi | np :) |
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| 08:28.21 | TehRabbitt | i'm gonna try this apt-get install again :-\ wish me luck |
| 08:28.22 | TehRabbitt | lol |
| 08:28.55 | TehRabbitt | Hmph... |
| 08:28.55 | TehRabbitt | 2010-09-29 03:37:08 install libqca2 <none> 2.0.0-4 |
| 08:28.56 | TehRabbitt | 2010-09-29 03:37:08 status half-installed libqca2 2.0.0-4 |
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| 08:29.10 | dsockwell | and stay out |
| 08:29.14 | TehRabbitt | lol |
| 08:29.25 | TehRabbitt | sorry 0_o didn't realize it was 3 lines |
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| 08:29.52 | TehRabbitt | dsockwell, that's apparently the last thing it did before it locked up :-\ |
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| 08:30.55 | TehRabbitt | dpkg --configure -a seemed to work... |
| 08:30.56 | dpkg | TehRabbitt: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
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| 08:32.01 | TehRabbitt | yay looks to have worked |
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| 08:32.56 | buu | dpkg: set_locale |
| 08:32.56 | dpkg | buu: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 08:33.02 | buu | heh |
| 08:33.03 | buu | dpkg: locale |
| 08:33.04 | dpkg | i guess locale is a set of rules for presenting information to humans according to local conventions (date format, thousands separators, language, etc.). Ask me about <locales> to establish on a Debian system. http://wiki.debian.org/Locale http://mywiki.wooledge.org/locale |
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| 08:33.12 | buu | dpkg: locales |
| 08:33.12 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command; ask me about <localised errors>. http://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
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| 08:36.59 | Agatehk | Hi Everyone :) |
| 08:37.42 | Agatehk | I was wondering if i could find assistance with running a .CGI script on Apache2 |
| 08:37.52 | Agatehk | my box runs lenny |
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| 08:40.10 | iceroot | Agatehk: #httpd is a good place i guess |
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| 08:40.28 | dudz_ | iceroot: give debian a go, you'll like it. |
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| 08:40.31 | Agatehk | It seems so to me, but ... :) |
| 08:40.48 | iceroot | dudz_: what? |
| 08:40.53 | dudz_ | :) |
| 08:41.25 | dudz_ | i havn't slept in like 20hrs, |
| 08:41.46 | dsockwell | it's probably that time again |
| 08:41.46 | Agatehk | Well, i felt that this channel should be the first place to ask as the problem is peculiar with debian distro :) |
| 08:42.03 | Agatehk | I run the same script on centos without such problems |
| 08:42.35 | iceroot | Agatehk: then feel free to post details, what are you doing, what errors and so on |
| 08:42.51 | Agatehk | Thanks |
| 08:43.38 | Agatehk | It's a CGI script that reads off mysql and limits useage by subscribers |
| 08:44.21 | Agatehk | Now after, running a2ensite and restarting apache2, i got the following error message |
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| 08:44.27 | dudz_ | hey, when making a perl script that uses mysql, and when running within a chroot, what would you need to get it to connect, like what libaries |
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| 08:45.11 | dudz_ | i could only get DBI working when i mounted /var/run/mysqld/ into my chroot, but thats lame cause why does it even need to know about the mysqld |
| 08:45.19 | Agatehk | "apache2:syntax error on line 281 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
| 08:45.37 | _Techie_ | i know to you guys this probably sounds pretty stupid, but i need to install debian in a VM for an IRCd and i dotn know which ISO to download |
| 08:45.41 | iceroot | Agatehk: and line 281 is what? |
| 08:46.17 | dudz_ | _Techie_: you need to download either i386 or amd64, depending on your computers hardware |
| 08:46.26 | Agatehk | Hold on, i need to be 100 % sure of the line |
| 08:47.05 | _Techie_ | dudz_, i know whether i need i386 or amd64, but theres 31 cd iso's on the mirror and 5 dvd iso's |
| 08:47.15 | dudz_ | yep |
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| 08:47.29 | dudz_ | you only need either cd1 or dvd1, |
| 08:47.45 | dudz_ | the other disks just have packages on them afaik |
| 08:47.47 | iceroot | _Techie_: how much ram you have or plan to use with the vm? |
| 08:48.16 | _Techie_ | iceroot, more than is needed and dont lecture me on x86 and x64, i know the difference |
| 08:49.04 | dudz_ | _Techie_: x86 is for 32bit systems, and x64 is for 64bit systems :) |
| 08:49.22 | iceroot | _Techie_: then feel free to download the normal install cd or the net install |
| 08:49.23 | _Techie_ | dudz_, i already stated, i know this |
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| 08:50.34 | Agatehk | But iceroot: Thanks :) it's the "Include /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/" line |
| 08:50.50 | dudz_ | _Techie_: Buy 100 books. |
| 08:51.23 | _Techie_ | wait what? |
| 08:51.28 | dudz_ | but get them 1 at a time, because by the time you get upto liek the 2nd or 3rd book they might have new versions out already :P |
| 08:51.50 | _Techie_ | oookay |
| 08:52.15 | dudz_ | when ever you finnish one book, buy another one, and keep that up untill you know heaps of stuff |
| 08:52.22 | _Techie_ | thats the reason why i dont like to come in here often, my sense of humour and the general sense of humour of the channel dont work together |
| 08:52.51 | dudz_ | you just have the wrong idea i think about what this channel is for, its not ment to be the primary source for knowledge |
| 08:52.56 | sweetpi | _Techie_: download business card or netinst iso and install only what you need |
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| 09:59.17 | eviltoaster | What does index in slapd.conf do ? |
| 10:00.17 | eviltoaster | it compare uid with what? |
| 10:00.28 | eviltoaster | db information ? |
| 10:00.48 | eviltoaster | maybe it does not have anything with a db to do. :D |
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| 10:03.37 | iceroot | eviltoaster: index = caching of data, so you can search them faster then climbning through the whole ldap-tree |
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| 10:04.27 | eviltoaster | iceroot, ah thanks |
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| 10:11.31 | maharaja | is this the correct chanel to ask about creating packages? |
| 10:12.13 | maharaja | i'm reading http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ but got a question regarding the "order" of apt |
| 10:12.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | maharaja: you could ask here, but perhaps #debian-mentors on oftc would be better |
| 10:12.46 | maharaja | (means: which package is configured when and how to i force my custom package to be installed and configured after the others) |
| 10:13.04 | maharaja | Kamping_Kaiser: ok, i'll try there |
| 10:13.12 | maharaja | thanks |
| 10:13.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | np :) |
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| 10:19.04 | linuxtom | Hello |
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| 10:21.08 | linuxtom | I want a local mirror of debian amd64. I try ftpsync and ARCH_EXCLUDE to exclude all other architectures but ftpsync download everything. Any idea to correct this problem ? |
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| 10:22.15 | d3c | is there an easy way to search/replace text across all files in a directory? I need to change some code. |
| 10:22.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | sed? |
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| 10:23.27 | AlexC_ | morning |
| 10:23.30 | d3c | Kamping_Kaiser: ah thanks |
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| 10:23.53 | AlexC_ | Our MySQL service is unable to start for some reason and I can't find any logs regarding it - what could possibly be causing this? |
| 10:24.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | d3c: np |
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| 10:25.33 | scifiguy | AlexC_: is the partition that holds the logs filled? |
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| 10:26.16 | AlexC_ | scifiguy: well. `df -h` is displaying 5.6GB free, however I do recall a time where df -h will display incorrect value |
| 10:26.31 | AlexC_ | so it *could* be full, but I can't check for sure until I recall how to find out properly instead of via df -h |
| 10:27.17 | scifiguy | try manually starting it, should see errors if any on stdout/stderr |
| 10:27.32 | AlexC_ | scifiguy: how so? |
| 10:27.47 | AlexC_ | through mysqld? |
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| 10:28.18 | scifiguy | dunno, i dont run mysql, look at the mysql script in /etc/init.d/ to see how debian runs it |
| 10:28.43 | AlexC_ | sure ok thanks |
| 10:29.05 | d3c | Kamping_Kaiser: would anything need to be escaped in this regex for sed? "s/->queryDb/->getDb()->query/ig" |
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| 10:29.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | d3c: i suggest wrapping it in '', otherwise probably ok |
| 10:30.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | AlexC_: and perhaps increase your log level |
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| 10:30.31 | AlexC_ | Kamping_Kaiser: how and where? |
| 10:30.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | probably in the configuration file |
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| 10:30.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | thats where such things ar enormally stored |
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| 10:31.46 | AlexC_ | yeah, I've never been able to find any error log level for MySQL |
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| 10:33.43 | d3c | Kamping_Kaiser: alright. seems like sed doesn't accept the i flag (case-insensitive). is that correct or am I missing something? |
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| 10:35.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | d3c: thats not what that flag does |
| 10:35.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | d3c: thats inline for sed |
| 10:36.23 | d3c | Kamping_Kaiser: any case insensitive flag then? |
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| 10:37.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/something/else/i |
| 10:38.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | d3c: don't recall sorry. perhaps try #sed or #gnu for that |
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| 10:39.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | i is right, but it's a flag to the "s" command of sed |
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| 10:39.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | CutMeOwnThroat: ah, nice |
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| 10:40.51 | d3c | Kamping_Kaiser: ok thanks |
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| 10:51.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | d3c, ^^^ |
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| 10:58.09 | chilli0 | Hello, I want to run virtual box's remotley from a headless CLI server. Is this possible? |
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| 11:00.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | is there a way to give the wireless channel to the lenny installer? seems my wireless is only found when I explicitly specify the channel |
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| 11:08.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | wahat's doing the networking configuration anyway in the installer |
| 11:08.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | netcfg? |
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| 11:27.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | isn't there any documentation for netcfg? |
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| 11:32.31 | cerpintaxt | problem with samba-shares: i have a share directory which i can access on my local machine (via gnome -> network -> my host) but a buddy trying to access with his win 7 machine is asked for username/pwd - i have guest ok = yes set, what can be the reason why is this not working? |
| 11:32.36 | cerpintaxt | this is my smb.conf file http://pastebin.com/1J1bLZEU |
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| 11:32.58 | cerpintaxt | i set a user shareuser with pwd share but even if he enters the username pwd he cannot access |
| 11:33.41 | cerpintaxt | tried also with uncommenting the "# security = user" line but still same problem |
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| 11:35.49 | scifiguy | is there a rxvt-unicode package that enables 256 colors? |
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| 11:38.15 | nikade | hello everyone! im running debian, and I have ipv6 on this machine aswell. every since I configured my ipv6, apt seems to prefer ipv6 over ipv4, is there anyway I can disable this? I want it to use ipv4 since its way faster |
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| 11:39.11 | coax | nikade on google there are a number of results covering it |
| 11:40.50 | nikade | coax: mm thanks alot for that great support |
| 11:41.39 | coax | i know, they should pay me for this |
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| 11:43.07 | coax | someone said to use a server that doesnt have aaaa records |
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| 11:43.14 | egns_ | i'm getting lots of 'APIC error on CPU0: 40(40)' at dmesg. should I worry? |
| 11:43.22 | coax | there doesnt seem to be a solution online for doing it in a config |
| 11:43.29 | coax | its just disable ipv6 in the kernel |
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| 11:45.22 | nikade | well I have ipv6 on the machine aswell since its a ipv6 nat/router aswell |
| 11:45.35 | nikade | but the v4 is 1000mbit and v4 only 10mbit, and some times laggy |
| 11:45.43 | nikade | v6 is only 10mbit even |
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| 11:50.44 | jauiwojau | Question: how can I use my cellphone as an external modem (over the cellphone network) I found a source describing how to do it "manually" by editing configuration files, however, is there also a GUI-like wizard for doing the job? |
| 11:51.04 | jauiwojau | (I use lenny/gnome) |
| 11:51.10 | sekon | any one using samba + openldap on debian squeeze |
| 11:51.56 | sekon | samba.schema: line 193 attributetype: Duplicate attributeType: "1.3.6.1.4.1.7165.2.1.24" |
| 11:51.59 | sekon | slaptest: bad configuration file! |
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| 11:53.28 | abrotman | stew: does that mean you've been revoked? |
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| 11:57.21 | jauiwojau | Is there someone capable of answering my question? |
| 11:57.42 | petemc | network manager might do some of what you need |
| 11:57.55 | jauiwojau | petemc: a thnx |
| 11:57.59 | jauiwojau | some? or all? |
| 11:58.00 | petemc | or wammu |
| 11:58.05 | petemc | suck it and see |
| 11:58.23 | jauiwojau | pardon me? "suck"? |
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| 11:58.39 | petemc | its turn of phrase, no need to get excited |
| 11:59.04 | jauiwojau | :-) ok I'm not a native speaker of English, do not know all expressions... |
| 11:59.11 | petemc | :) |
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| 12:02.42 | jpinx-eeepc | why is my time screwed - I do dpkg-reconfigure tzdate, set it to bangkok and it comes up with Current default timezone: 'Asia/Bangkok' |
| 12:02.54 | jpinx-eeepc | Local time is now: Thu Sep 30 06:57:12 ICT 2010. |
| 12:03.02 | jpinx-eeepc | Universal Time is now: Wed Sep 29 23:57:12 UTC 2010. |
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| 12:03.10 | jpinx-eeepc | the actual time here is 18:59 on Wed |
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| 12:06.31 | jpinx-eeepc | what's that package called that automagically updates the date/time from the internet? |
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| 12:07.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | ntp |
| 12:08.02 | jpinx-eeepc | got it - ta |
| 12:08.02 | Bert_2 | Hi, I'd like to enhance my homenetwork by making our file server box do DNS as well (nice names for computers etc.) is the easiest DNS option for just a few A records bind or is there a more simple solution ? |
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| 12:11.10 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: does ntpdate automagically start and run when one installs it? |
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| 12:11.31 | cb | ntp will |
| 12:11.31 | jpinx-eeepc | or do I have to do something else to make it work? |
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| 12:19.44 | cire | Is it possible to read out somewhere whether I have 4x1GB or 2x2GB of ram? (without opening the case)? |
| 12:19.53 | cire | and which type of ram? |
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| 12:21.00 | joltcan | cire: try lshw |
| 12:21.09 | joltcan | cire: lshw -C memory |
| 12:21.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, ntpdate is pretty much obsolete for most applications anyway... read the package description |
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| 12:23.23 | abrotman | !tell cire about whats my hardware |
| 12:23.27 | abrotman | !why not ntpdate |
| 12:23.27 | dpkg | Use a daemon like ntpd, chrony or openntpd instead of <ntpdate> to keep your time synched. Rationale at: http://www.redhat.com/archives/nahant-list/2005-December/msg00009.html . ntpdate is deprecated upstream (Debian bug #514318). |
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| 12:24.07 | cire | abrotman: thanks for the hint |
| 12:24.42 | cire | joltcan: thank you, too |
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| 12:25.16 | joltcan | abrotman: how the heck do you remember all of those commands to the bot? |
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| 12:28.10 | abrotman | joltcan: Uhm ... I have a weird memory? My friends don't like that I remember lots of stuff |
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| 12:28.46 | joltcan | abrotman: Heh, I think it's awesome! |
| 12:28.50 | cire | "lshw -html" is very nice |
| 12:29.01 | abrotman | joltcan: you think it's awesome til i remember something about you that you wanted everyone to forget :) |
| 12:29.18 | joltcan | abrotman: Happens all the time, thanks to Internet :) |
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| 12:30.40 | abrotman | can't imagine actually remembering everything .. that would be awful |
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| 12:31.09 | scifiguy | do any perl packages install to /usr/local? im trying to clean up a cpan mess, and dont want to delete anything thats from a debian package |
| 12:31.32 | themill | scifiguy: nothing in debian ships stuff in /usr/local |
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| 12:32.51 | abrotman | but if you use dh-make-perl, where does it put the CPAN stuff? |
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| 12:35.35 | themill | abrotman: /usr/share/perl5 |
| 12:35.48 | abrotman | i never thought about it, and i don't think i have any installed around here |
| 12:35.55 | themill | scifiguy: you can double check if files are from packages with "dpkg -S" or dlocate. |
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| 12:36.21 | themill | abrotman: I had to check myself -- got a couple of packages on this machine |
| 12:36.32 | scifiguy | too late |
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| 12:36.38 | scifiguy | rm -rf has done its job |
| 12:38.15 | Guest28606 | !list |
| 12:38.15 | dpkg | guest28606: VATTENE VIA! |
| 12:38.27 | Guest28606 | perche |
| 12:38.44 | Guest28606 | salve |
| 12:39.01 | Guest28606 | list |
| 12:39.12 | Guest28606 | !list |
| 12:39.12 | dpkg | guest28606: VATTENE VIA! |
| 12:39.24 | themill | Guest28606: this isn't a warez channel. You're in the wrong place |
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| 12:42.10 | joltcan | haha |
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| 12:44.53 | abrotman | !list |
| 12:44.54 | dpkg | abrotman: VATTENE VIA! |
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| 12:50.26 | mario__ | Hello! |
| 12:50.45 | mario__ | how can i find which package contains the binary /usr/bin/find ? |
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| 12:50.56 | mario__ | how can i find out which package contains the binary /usr/bin/find ? |
| 12:51.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell mario__ -about apt-file |
| 12:52.13 | mario__ | thx |
| 12:52.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | or dlocate or dpkg -S if it's already installed |
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| 12:52.27 | armetiz | Hi there |
| 12:52.42 | armetiz | I'm asking something about Filesystem cache on RAM |
| 12:52.57 | armetiz | I want to server file using HTTP. |
| 12:53.35 | armetiz | I'm hesitate on FS cache, or HTTP cache... I think HTTP cache is more efficience to do what I want.. |
| 12:53.40 | armetiz | but, I'm not sure ? |
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| 12:54.01 | mario__ | CutMeOwnThroat, can i somehow find the md5sum of the original file on package.debian.org? |
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| 12:55.29 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: yea - I just purged ntpdate and installed ntp - it seems to just run - no further action required. Is that right? |
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| 12:56.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | mario__, look at the debsums package |
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| 12:57.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, depends if you LIKE action |
| 12:57.37 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: nope - I like fire and forget ;) |
| 12:58.16 | ethanol | this is probably the wrong place to ask this; but could anyone here recommend a tool I could use to create an image of an existing machine (it only has windows installed) over network preferably, which can be used to complete restore said machine at a later date to exact detail/config/etc? |
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| 12:58.40 | jpinx-eeepc | ethanol: dd |
| 12:58.48 | M`vy | > windows |
| 12:58.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | ethanol, theres a livecd called clonezilla |
| 12:58.58 | M`vy | or he'll have to boot livecd |
| 12:59.12 | ethanol | jpinx-eeepc: how would I use dd in said situation? |
| 12:59.52 | jpinx-eeepc | ethanol: boot from a live CD, |
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| 13:00.33 | ethanol | clonezilla sounds nice, will look more into that first |
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| 13:01.04 | eKyNoX | Hello |
| 13:01.08 | jpinx-eeepc | vaguely remembers something about a dd for doze.. |
| 13:01.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | and yes... it was the wrong plae to ask |
| 13:01.42 | M`vy | :D |
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| 13:02.09 | mario__ | CutMeOwnThroat, okay, i think i have a hacked etch box here :) |
| 13:02.28 | ethanol | hrm. I don't wanna copy over partition stuff though. just the data/files/stuff. so that I am not harddrive size dependant |
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| 13:02.40 | mario__ | CutMeOwnThroat, is there a cool way to compare all the debian binary files md5sum to the repo? |
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| 13:03.17 | stew | abrotman: ? |
| 13:03.41 | abrotman | stew: the d-d-a mail |
| 13:04.06 | stew | i haven't gotten there yet, did the re-delegation go out? |
| 13:04.31 | eKyNoX | I got a problem, i just updated my debian, while the process, Grub2 have been updated too and asked me the partition to set grub2 on. I made a mistake here and now i got grub error at startup. So i downloaded a live cd and have booted on. Now i try to chroot my /dev/sda3 debian file system and for to do it, i try to mount /dev/sda3 ext4 file system to /mnt. mount -t ext4dev /dev/sda3 /mnt returns error : wrong fs type, bad option, bad sup |
| 13:04.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | mario__, that's what debsums does, no? (or can do) |
| 13:05.33 | stew | abrotman: no, it attempts to change nothing, but to consolidate things that have been delegated into one delegation. I'm still an ftp-assistant, we aren't officially delegated |
| 13:05.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm can I use a ntfs partition for /boot? |
| 13:05.47 | abrotman | ah okay |
| 13:06.15 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: I believe not |
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| 13:06.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunt look like |
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| 13:08.51 | eKyNoX | anyone please ? |
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| 13:09.29 | ethanol | CutMeOwnThroat: clonezilla is nice, but it seems to create an image of a partition? rather than just all data on the partition |
| 13:10.28 | H2S04 | ethanol, .. that's what it does... |
| 13:10.50 | jpinx-eeepc | ethanol: google cloning windows - it is more complicated than you think |
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| 13:11.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh joy... 4 primary partitions |
| 13:12.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | great idea of someone, there |
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| 13:12.28 | jpinx-eeepc | eKyNoX: is that a right -t option for mount? |
| 13:12.54 | jpinx-eeepc | you could try auto |
| 13:13.18 | pozic | Why doesn't diff dir1 dir2 -x '(.*)' exclude all files and return an empty result? |
| 13:13.48 | eKyNoX | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:13.58 | eKyNoX | option is correct normally |
| 13:14.02 | pozic | (It is supposed to be a group with one element that can be anything. ) |
| 13:14.10 | jpinx-eeepc | pozic: some files maybe don't have a .xxx suffix ? |
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| 13:14.47 | jpinx-eeepc | eKyNoX: auto? |
| 13:14.51 | stew | phihag: do you mean "diff dir1 dir2 -x '*'"? |
| 13:15.04 | stew | pozic: ^^^ |
| 13:15.06 | stew | phihag: nm |
| 13:15.08 | phihag | stew: you got me confused, sry, just joined |
| 13:15.32 | pozic | stew: no |
| 13:15.47 | pozic | stew: I want a slightly more complicated command which uses the grouping construct. |
| 13:16.23 | pozic | (because if I wanted an empty output I could do that faster by simply not running anything at all) |
| 13:16.45 | pozic | The man page does not document which regular expression language it uses. |
| 13:16.50 | stew | none |
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| 13:16.53 | stew | its globs |
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| 13:17.05 | pozic | stew: then why does it say 'regexp'? |
| 13:17.06 | stew | pozic: yours says to exclude files which start with "(." and end with ")" |
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| 13:17.27 | aguitel | when squeeze become "stable" ? |
| 13:17.32 | stew | pozic: where does it say that |
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| 13:17.37 | pozic | stew: -x regexp, --exclude=regexp |
| 13:17.46 | pozic | stew: e.g. http://www.oreillynet.com/linux/cmd/cmd.csp?path=d/diff |
| 13:17.59 | stew | pozic: it doesn't say that in the manpage though, right? |
| 13:18.13 | eKyNoX | jpinx-eeepc : yes |
| 13:18.20 | eKyNoX | auto detecting ext4 |
| 13:18.30 | pozic | stew: ah, it says "PAT" |
| 13:18.44 | jpinx-eeepc | eKyNoX: :P |
| 13:18.45 | stew | aguitel: after we get a RC installer that has been tested for a while, and when security.debian.org can support v3 source packages |
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| 13:18.56 | pozic | stew: but it doesn't state what a PAT is. |
| 13:19.00 | stew | aguitel: assuming more of the RC bugs have been fixed by them |
| 13:19.02 | stew | pozic: its a glob |
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| 13:19.31 | pozic | stew: is there any place in which that is specified? |
| 13:19.33 | aguitel | stew, in 2011 ? |
| 13:19.46 | stew | aguitel: hopefully 2010 |
| 13:19.48 | pozic | stew: but thanks for the hint :) |
| 13:19.57 | aguitel | stew, ok |
| 13:19.57 | stew | pozic: i don't know |
| 13:20.13 | pozic | stew: globs don't have 'or' right? |
| 13:20.27 | pozic | stew: or can I do -x foo -x bar? |
| 13:20.52 | eKyNoX | jpinx-eeepc: don't know how to fix my mount problem ? |
| 13:21.16 | jpinx-eeepc | eKyNoX: no idea with ext4 |
| 13:21.47 | eKyNoX | hmmmm ok |
| 13:21.52 | pozic | stew: I can. |
| 13:21.57 | pozic | stew: it works. Thanks. |
| 13:22.18 | pozic | But this stuff should be documented. |
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| 13:22.27 | pozic | Computing by guessing. Yuck! |
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| 13:25.45 | pozic | Is there a tool like diff taking the exact same arguments, but uses X11? |
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| 13:29.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | diff | xless |
| 13:31.03 | mic_p | Hi all. I'm compiling a package from sources with apt-get -b source package and it works well, but I have a simple question: how I can say to "make" to use more than one cpu that I have? Normally I use "make -j N", but since I don't call directly make, I don't know how to do it. |
| 13:32.59 | bzed | mic_p: thats tricky as not all sources build well with -j. Extracting the souce and editing debian/rules might be a start for most packages. |
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| 13:33.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | set/export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS (look at man dpkg-buildpackage) |
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| 13:34.27 | thenthenio | Anybody has good knowledge of Debian-exim config? |
| 13:34.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you call dpkg-buildpackage yourself instead of letting apt do it, that also has the -j option |
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| 13:41.15 | bzed | CutMeOwnThroat: which does not help for most things as the long runnign stuff in debian/rules ignores it |
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| 13:42.59 | angel-tsankov | wonder why it takes so long for ssh to connect to an ssh server |
| 13:43.14 | petemc | try ssh -vvv |
| 13:43.40 | pozic | Is there any diff tool that compares directories and shows colored output in a terminal? |
| 13:43.45 | bzed | angel-tsankov: my glass bowl says that your server has some DNS issues |
| 13:43.53 | pozic | colordiff doesn't except when you use it on single files (bug?). |
| 13:44.25 | stew | emacs :) |
| 13:44.35 | petemc | vimdiff ? |
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| 13:44.46 | petemc | obligatory response to emacs |
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| 13:44.54 | pozic | stew: ok, how? |
| 13:45.03 | pozic | stew: just M-x ediff-TAB? |
| 13:45.15 | eshat | python-apt update on sid has error while configuring |
| 13:45.22 | pozic | stew: thanks |
| 13:45.23 | stew | pozic: or just load a diff into the editor |
| 13:45.24 | eshat | anyone else experiencing this ? |
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| 13:45.37 | stew | eshat: checked the bts? |
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| 13:45.51 | eshat | stew: no, just upgraded right now |
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| 13:46.58 | angel-tsankov | petemc: here's the ssh-vvv outptu: http://pastebin.com/Pir1fGAU |
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| 13:47.16 | angel-tsankov | the GSS failures take a while |
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| 13:47.46 | angel-tsankov | especially this line: Next authentication method: gssapi-with-mic |
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| 13:49.32 | Strogg | good morning, everyone |
| 13:50.03 | Strogg | I need some debian packaging advice.. I'm not sure how I should arrange these packages |
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| 13:51.14 | Strogg | I have a utility which is a firmware loader for some hardware my company made.. I also have a bunch of possible firmwares which can be chosen from. I want to package this stuff up as debian packages, since we're gonna be supporting debian. It seems reasonable to split up the utility and the firmwares into seperate packages.. |
| 13:51.36 | Strogg | but it always makes sense to keep it all in the same source tarball. |
| 13:52.05 | Strogg | the trouble is, if I go with the latter, any time I update any firmware or the utility, the version number of everything will increment. |
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| 13:52.16 | Strogg | is there a way to get around this? or a better way to handle doing this? |
| 13:52.38 | stew | Strogg: there's not a way around it if you want separate binary packages in the same source package |
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| 13:53.11 | Strogg | hrmm so really, I gotta have seperate source packages. and then I can increment those version numbers seperately. |
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| 13:53.46 | Strogg | stew: hrmm Ok.. I can work with that. Thanks |
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| 14:23.17 | eviltoaster | how do i reload libnss-ldap.conf? |
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| 14:28.59 | angel-tsankov | anyone help me with dd and remote debugging? |
| 14:29.20 | petemc | just ask your question |
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| 14:29.34 | joltcan | eviltoaster: log in/out? |
| 14:30.09 | abrotman | joltcan: he'd want to restart a daemon likely, not login/out |
| 14:30.36 | angel-tsankov | petemc: when I try to list remote processes, I get this: sh_askpass: exec(/usr/bin/ssh-askpass): No such file or directory |
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| 14:31.05 | angel-tsankov | ffrank: do I really need ssh-askpass, and if so, where do I get it from |
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| 14:32.22 | J_P | hi all |
| 14:32.42 | petemc | angel-tsankov: are you still running in verbose mode? (-vvv) that will print debug info to your terminal, disconnect and reconnect without the -vvv |
| 14:32.48 | jordanm | ,file /usr/bin/ssh-askpass |
| 14:32.52 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 14:33.21 | angel-tsankov | petemc: no |
| 14:33.59 | angel-tsankov | I am not running ssh now |
| 14:34.03 | angel-tsankov | is running ddd |
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| 14:34.23 | J_P | I have a app that I start this: "$./app 2>> app.log" this will be log the errors in that file. But I would like put one together the datetime when error hapen. How I do that? someting like this "$./app `date` 2>> app.log"? |
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| 14:34.53 | eviltoaster | joltcan, does it cache or something, i can still use id with that user. "libnss" |
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| 14:36.52 | angel-tsankov | ok, I install askpass |
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| 14:37.10 | angel-tsankov | now, I need to attach to a process running as root on the remote machien |
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| 14:39.32 | J_P | anyone? |
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| 14:40.48 | eviltoaster | J_P, make a script. |
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| 14:46.32 | stew | J_P: perhaps something like: ./app 2>&1 > /dev/null | while read a ; do echo $(date) $a ; done >> app.log |
| 14:46.48 | stew | J_P: (untested) and it throws away stdout. if you want to keep stdout, things get a little trickier |
| 14:47.32 | J_P | stew: yes, I tested some similar that you tell me and works.. |
| 14:47.36 | J_P | stew: Thank you! |
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| 14:49.16 | Martin_vW | Hi, since the last samba update yesterday (2:3.4.8~dfsg-2~bpo50+1) our Samba printer share is configured for A1 paper instead of A4 paper on the clients. Any idea on how to fix this? |
| 14:49.42 | Martin_vW | I can fix it manually for a given user, but the next time the logon script runs and remaps the printer, it is reverted to A1. |
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| 14:52.19 | cahoot | plain ipp isn't an option? |
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| 14:52.43 | Marcopolo | hello guys |
| 14:53.16 | Marcopolo | i have 2 big problems ...first i am a new linux user and i don't know much |
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| 14:53.46 | Marcopolo | second i have dedicated server with nx machine what not accept more than 2 connection:( |
| 14:53.50 | jordanm | that is not a problem, but perhaps the cause of a problem |
| 14:54.12 | jordanm | Marcopolo: is this NX software provided by debian? |
| 14:54.17 | Marcopolo | i can't afford to buy some soft :S i wish something freeware |
| 14:54.27 | Marcopolo | yes |
| 14:54.34 | jordanm | what package? |
| 14:54.35 | Marcopolo | i have an ubuntu server |
| 14:54.38 | Marcopolo | just a sec |
| 14:54.39 | jordanm | !ubuntu |
| 14:54.46 | Marcopolo | yes for ubuntu |
| 14:55.00 | jordanm | Marcopolo: ubuntu is not supported here. you are looking for #ubuntu |
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| 14:55.08 | Marcopolo | wget http://64.34.161.181/download/3.4.0/Linux/nxclient_3.4.0-7_x86_64.deb; |
| 14:55.08 | Marcopolo | wget http://64.34.161.181/download/3.4.0/Linux/nxnode_3.4.0-14_x86_64.deb; |
| 14:55.08 | Marcopolo | wget http://64.34.161.181/download/3.4.0/Linux/FE/nxserver_3.4.0-14_x86_64.deb |
| 14:55.21 | valdyn | Marcopolo: thats not debian |
| 14:55.35 | Marcopolo | .deb i believed is debian sorry |
| 14:55.47 | Marcopolo | thx guys |
| 14:55.54 | valdyn | Marcopolo: .deb is a package format in wide usage, not just in debian |
| 14:56.04 | Marcopolo | :) |
| 14:58.37 | Martin_vW | cahoot: Maybe, but the current configuration is running in about 500 schools, and at the moment, I'm more interested in fixing it asap than thinking about a replacement :) |
| 14:59.22 | jordanm | why the bpo packages? did the lenny version have issues with newer clients? |
| 15:00.13 | jordanm | Martin_vW: I think the samba channel is your best bet. but that is one downside to backports.. much larger chance of upgrade regressions |
| 15:00.26 | Martin_vW | We used the backports samba version because the one in main is not compatible to Windows 7. |
| 15:00.35 | Martin_vW | jordanm: ok, will go there, thanks |
| 15:00.39 | jordanm | yep, makes sense |
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| 15:07.39 | dselect | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of themill) |
| 15:07.41 | themill | %test |
| 15:07.41 | dselect | Test failed. |
| 15:08.05 | themill | ^^ dselect is running (read-only) off a backup of dpkg's db. |
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| 15:10.31 | qq- | %hi |
| 15:10.32 | dselect | hello, qq- |
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| 15:13.53 | amee2k | is there a way to move lots of symlinks with relative paths |
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| 15:14.10 | amee2k | in a way that the paths are adjusted to point to the same destination |
| 15:14.17 | amee2k | while still remaining relative |
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| 15:16.50 | amee2k | lol |
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| 15:16.58 | amee2k | utter banning failure :P |
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| 15:17.32 | amee2k | i've commented on that very issue in #freenode before |
| 15:17.35 | themill | (that would be why some networks don't like cloaks) |
| 15:17.53 | amee2k | people joining, then changing host to something thats banned, i mean |
| 15:18.17 | amee2k | the rejoin with the banned hostmask is highly non-intuitive |
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| 15:18.57 | themill | amee2k: it's better than the old system whereby they just changed hostmask without you knowing </offtopic> |
| 15:19.25 | amee2k | hmmm in what way? |
| 15:20.03 | amee2k | you only risk some clients having the wrong hostmask for other users |
| 15:20.09 | amee2k | but why is that a problem |
| 15:20.39 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
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| 15:21.41 | amee2k | not that anyone else is claiming the topic right now :P |
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| 15:22.30 | amee2k | (well, except for my earlier question, but noone seems to have a clue about that either) |
| 15:22.53 | petemc | you can force updating of symlinks with -f |
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| 15:23.31 | amee2k | petemc: on "mv"? |
| 15:23.49 | amee2k | i thought that only overwrites the destination |
| 15:23.55 | petemc | with ln |
| 15:24.12 | amee2k | how do i move a link with ln? |
| 15:24.19 | hideki | you can use set -o noclobber, so that mv will not overwrite |
| 15:24.38 | petemc | amee2k: what is it you're trying to change if not the destination? |
| 15:24.57 | amee2k | i have a directory of links, all with relative paths as destination |
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| 15:25.11 | petemc | ah |
| 15:25.19 | homie | is it better to use logical partitions for usb devices ? |
| 15:25.24 | amee2k | i want to move the link, and have its destionation adjusted so that it a) still points to the same file and b) is still relative |
| 15:25.26 | homie | than primary ones or so ? |
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| 15:25.46 | karlpinc | homie: Why would it matter? |
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| 15:26.23 | homie | number of partitions of primary ones are restricted to 4 i think for msdos partition layouts.... |
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| 15:26.38 | homie | but my usb disk is so big, it will eventually contain more.... |
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| 15:26.53 | hideki | You can use LVM |
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| 15:27.07 | homie | jep, ok |
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| 15:27.14 | homie | i'll try that |
| 15:27.15 | karlpinc | homie: So, make 3 and an extended partition for logical ones. |
| 15:27.44 | karlpinc | homie: LVM won't solve your problem, unless you're doing something silly like mounting files loopback, if you want multiple partitions. |
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| 15:27.48 | homie | ok, if i get around some other problems with that usb-stick here, i will.... |
| 15:27.57 | amee2k | ??? |
| 15:27.57 | Dewi | is there some way to make 'apt-get -b source' do silent makes? I find the spam of echoing all commands to be more harmful than useful |
| 15:28.13 | amee2k | i'm sure LVM can create multiple logical volumes on one physical one |
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| 15:28.29 | petemc | Dewi: redirect the output to /dev/null |
| 15:28.41 | karlpinc | amee2k: Ok. You're right. |
| 15:28.47 | Dewi | petemc: I want to see command output, just not commands themselves |
| 15:28.52 | hideki | Yes, you need to create a vg inside a pv, then you can make the lv's |
| 15:29.17 | petemc | Dewi: no idea then, out of interest, why is it harmful to see the commands? |
| 15:29.38 | Dewi | petemc: because you get thirty pages of output and miss seeing informative warnings and errors |
| 15:29.44 | amee2k | well, technically you create a VG, then put PVs inside and LVs on top, but thats probably subjective ;) |
| 15:30.06 | stew | Dewi: this is going to change depending on the makefiles for each individual package |
| 15:30.07 | jordanm | Dewi: perhaps redir stdout but not stderr? |
| 15:30.51 | Dewi | stew: no, it's a configuration option for both make and dpkg, but I can't find any way to access that without actually ripping open the packages and editing them |
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| 15:31.38 | Dewi | stew: I shouldn't have said 'dpkg' then... it's whatever the tool is that does the actual build |
| 15:31.51 | breardo | baby you got yourself a stew goin! |
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| 15:32.30 | stew | Dewi: so are you talking about the commands in debian/rules, or also the commands run by whatever make system upstream uses. like the output of ./configure? or both? |
| 15:32.34 | jordanm | Dewi: dpkg-buildpackage, which calls others like debuild and dpkg-source |
| 15:34.01 | Dewi | jordanm: yeah... I just wish I could pass options right in to make from the outside, but as far as I can tell you can't (without editing the 'rules' file etc) |
| 15:34.41 | stew | Dewi: and then there is going to be one thing to do for upstream source that uses make, another thing for upstream source that uses cmake or scons, and another that is built with just a bunch of shell scripts |
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| 15:35.27 | Dewi | stew: sure. 99% of the time it's 'make' though, and that's the thing that is so annoyingly spammy by default |
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| 15:37.46 | siezer | l |
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| 15:39.34 | mmestnik | Hello, in what pkg is the man page for ascii? |
| 15:39.58 | jordanm | mmestnik: I will gues manpages-dev |
| 15:40.09 | mmestnik | What does the ascii application do, a separate unrelated question? |
| 15:40.25 | jordanm | ,file /usr/share/man/man7/ascii.7.gz |
| 15:40.28 | judd | /usr/share/man/man7/ascii.7.gz in lenny/i386: manpages: usr/share/man/man7/ascii.7.gz |
| 15:41.01 | stew | , info ascii |
| 15:41.01 | jordanm | mmestnik: ascii is not an application. see the manpage description once you install the package |
| 15:41.03 | judd | Package ascii (utils, optional) in lenny/i386: interactive ASCII name and synonym chart. Version: 3.8-4; Size: 15.7k; Installed: 72k; Homepage: http://www.catb.org/~esr/ascii/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/ascii |
| 15:41.11 | stew | ascii is an appliaction |
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| 15:41.43 | jordanm | well, I stand corrected. rather confusing... |
| 15:42.01 | stew | but its not directly related to the ascii(7) manpage |
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| 15:42.54 | joker_89 | how i can disabled a module that is in the enabled-modules folder |
| 15:42.56 | breardo | hey.. getting fresh into Debain here.. WHICH VERSION should I be starting on? |
| 15:43.00 | breardo | looks like Lenny is about to retire |
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| 15:43.07 | breardo | should I jump onto Squeeze? |
| 15:43.30 | jordanm | no, lenny should have a good year and half or so left in support |
| 15:43.38 | breardo | ok.. |
| 15:43.43 | breardo | hasnt lenny been around for like a decade? |
| 15:43.45 | breardo | :) |
| 15:43.52 | joker_89 | how i can disabled a module that is in the enabled-modules folder |
| 15:44.18 | mmestnik | That was it. |
| 15:44.19 | jordanm | joker_89: assuming apache, a2dismod |
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| 15:45.01 | jordanm | breardo: less than 2 years |
| 15:45.28 | jordanm | breardo: in the case of some graphics chips, squeeze may be required |
| 15:45.46 | breardo | ok |
| 15:45.49 | breardo | well thanks :) |
| 15:45.53 | joker_89 | anyone works with mod_evasive apache? |
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| 15:48.20 | breardo | any mirrors for the cdimage.debian.org ? |
| 15:48.24 | breardo | im getting liek 10k/sec |
| 15:49.02 | stew | breardo: yes, lots, see http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ |
| 15:49.23 | breardo | thank you |
| 15:49.49 | breardo | something something you got a stew goin |
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| 16:04.23 | themill | gukk_devel: please disable public away messages in #debian |
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| 16:10.40 | km | where can i find some good docs on how setup ldap on debian? |
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| 16:11.22 | abrotman | the packages themselves have docs .. or check the website for the the ldap server oyu're using |
| 16:11.42 | themill | the wiki has quite an extensive ldap section too |
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| 16:13.17 | km | should i use the openldap package for debian or ? |
| 16:14.18 | km | this looks like a good source: http://wiki.debian.org/LDAP |
| 16:17.01 | project2501a | damn. how can you not have an xorg.conf file? |
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| 16:17.58 | project2501a | hi i got a brand-new squeeze installation, which does not have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf 0) what did i do wrong? 1) can i tell X to write one for me. |
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| 16:18.20 | eSa| | not quite debian related but, i've developed a web app and I want to give credits: where do I put them in README or CREDITS ? |
| 16:19.12 | km | apt-get update just keep waiting for headers. iam using proxy and i think i might have disable it somewhere (can't remember), any thoughts where to check? |
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| 16:20.22 | project2501a | eSa|: THANKS or CREDITS will do. |
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| 16:21.18 | gravity | project2501a: You don't necessarily need one, but you can ask Xorg to create a conf file with the -configure switch |
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| 16:22.14 | km | /etc/init.d/apt-proxy start failed!...hmm... |
| 16:22.32 | km | /etc/init.d/apt-proxy start failed!...hmm... |
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| 16:23.11 | project2501a | gravity: well for one, the resolution is wrong. |
| 16:23.13 | project2501a | hm |
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| 16:24.45 | project2501a | gravity i did try as root to Xorg -configure and i got didly squat |
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| 16:27.59 | papabaer | as exim4 drives me mad, I hope someone can help me. I want to accept mails only from $LIST_DOMAINS, and treat these $LIST_DOMAINS as local domains. Also I want to be able to accept mails from all over the world without authentification. Mail will not be forwarded anywhere, just deliver them to local users ( maybe with alias file ). Trying these i only get "mailing to remote domains is not supported" |
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| 16:29.24 | papabaer | So how to configure exim4-daemon-light ( with exim4-config ) properly to achieve this goal? |
| 16:29.49 | gravity | project2501a: Where did you look for the file? It might be in the directory you ran the command in. |
| 16:29.53 | jordanm | papabaer: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config should get you to that goal |
| 16:29.58 | gravity | It's been a long time since I looked at that code. |
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| 16:30.18 | papabaer | jordanm: but with which options? |
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| 16:31.29 | jordanm | papabaer: well, I can say "internet mail" will resolve the first one. you will need to go through them and ask a more specific question if you are not sure about a particular screen |
| 16:31.39 | jordanm | (which is the first question/screen) |
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| 16:35.51 | papabaer | jordanm: ok, set it to internet-site, set "other destinations" to LIST_DOMAINS. Do i need to set relay to LIST_DOMAINS? |
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| 16:37.35 | jordanm | papabaer: if you are on the screen I believe you are on, that is the list that includes all hosts in which your server will unconditionally relay mail (without authentication) |
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| 16:38.34 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions iceweasel |
| 16:38.35 | judd | Package iceweasel on i386 -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.12-2~bpo50+1; sid: 3.5.13-1; squeeze: 3.5.13-1; experimental: 3.6.10-1 |
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| 16:40.46 | m3asmi | any one know Good free hosting |
| 16:40.52 | jordanm | free? |
| 16:41.09 | jhutchins_lt | What's the trick to getting aptitude to tell you why it's not upgrading packages? |
| 16:41.22 | m3asmi | yess |
| 16:41.30 | gravity | jhutchins_lt: Hitting "d" in interactive mode is my usual method. |
| 16:41.31 | m3asmi | free hosting |
| 16:41.36 | stew | your mom's cable modem? |
| 16:41.47 | gravity | jhutchins_lt: Shows you the package's dependencies, and highlights problems in red. |
| 16:41.55 | m3asmi | to create my web site |
| 16:41.57 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: if its "held back", you probably just need full-upgrade |
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| 16:43.41 | jhutchins_lt | Just did a full-upgrade to try to grab the new iceweasel and got "11 not upgraded". |
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| 16:44.27 | stew | jhutchins_lt: full-upgrade again, if that doesn' you can try to "aptitude install packagename" to explicitly request an upgrade, you can also say "no" when it says "accept this solution" to try other solutions |
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| 16:44.49 | papabaer | jordanm: no it's the screen 'domains to relay mail'. what should i insert here? |
| 16:44.50 | b0nghitter | dmm doesnt keep up with security updates? |
| 16:44.55 | jhutchins_lt | They're all security updates... |
| 16:44.56 | stew | jhutchins_lt: when you are at the "Accept this solution [Yn]" prompt you can say "+packagename" to explicitly specify that package for upgrade |
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| 16:45.15 | eSa| | project2501a, ty |
| 16:45.28 | jordanm | b0nghitter: its technically 3rd party, even though it is provided by a debian developer |
| 16:45.38 | jhutchins_lt | I'm not getting "accept this solution", and when I explicitly requested iceweasel I got nuttin'. |
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| 16:45.40 | b0nghitter | flash player is vuln again :( |
| 16:46.18 | jordanm | b0nghitter: the flashplayer package in DMM doesn't actually include the player, but downloads it from adobe.com |
| 16:46.39 | b0nghitter | should i reinstall it then? |
| 16:46.51 | stew | flash is a vulnerability |
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| 16:47.12 | jordanm | b0nghitter: pastebin the output of apt-cache policy. default pinning will not pull in upgrades, even if they were available |
| 16:47.14 | jhutchins_lt | Try another run at full... |
| 16:47.24 | stew | jhutchins_lt: this is on lenny? |
| 16:47.31 | jhutchins_lt | stew: Yessir. |
| 16:47.50 | stew | this type of thing usually doesn't come up on stable |
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| 16:48.02 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: bdo? |
| 16:48.03 | nickaugust | hey can I get unicode support for the tty console? |
| 16:48.06 | jhutchins_lt | Ok, this time got the 11 updates. |
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| 16:48.25 | b0nghitter | jordanm: ah ok thanks, i guess it is updated. |
| 16:48.34 | jhutchins_lt | jordanm: Originally was trying to get the .12 update to iceweasel from bpo, yes. |
| 16:48.46 | jhutchins_lt | NOT included in the 11 packages. |
| 16:49.34 | stew | nickaugust: sure, what does "echo $LANG" return? |
| 16:49.53 | nickaugust | stew: en_US.UTF-8 |
| 16:49.55 | nickaugust | hmmm |
| 16:50.26 | stew | nickaugust: then you should have utf-8 working on the console. is there somehting not behaving as you expect? |
| 16:51.00 | nickaugust | stew: well for instance when I see unicode characters on a website or if they show up in my database the alwasy just appear as white blocks |
| 16:51.05 | jhutchins_lt | How do I get aptitude to return the version number from the repo? |
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| 16:51.31 | papabaer | jordanm: thanks for ur help, may failure was not selecting the internet-site. I now tried it with "http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/140" which is based on virtual domains and it seems working. Relay is not permitted to anything else than LIST_DOMAINS. |
| 16:51.36 | stew | nickaugust: i believe that means that your console is working correctly, but the font you are using doesn't have a glyph for the character you are asking to have displayed |
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| 16:51.41 | papabaer | only thing left is to restrict senders :) |
| 16:51.57 | nickaugust | stew: ah, interesting. i'll try changing the font. thanks! |
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| 16:52.53 | jordanm | papabaer: the default configuration only allows relay via relay-domains or authentication. IIRC, no authentication mechinisms are enabled by default however |
| 16:53.41 | stew | nickaugust: to verify, you might browse to a utf8 test page. I'm guessing that you'll find some of the more common characters correctly rendered (like, perhaps the ones in latin1), but not others |
| 16:53.48 | jordanm | there should be commented examples somewhere in /etc/exim4/conf.d/ |
| 16:54.03 | nickaugust | stew: can you recomoned a good font? |
| 16:54.09 | stew | nickaugust: no, sorry |
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| 16:54.27 | papabaer | jordanm: i do not want relaying, this is just fine. |
| 16:54.28 | stew | nickaugust: nor would I even know how to change it |
| 16:54.30 | nickaugust | stew: ok thanks for your help man! |
| 16:54.41 | stew | :) |
| 16:54.44 | jordanm | papabaer: without relay, no one can send outgoing mail using your email server |
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| 16:55.19 | jhutchins_lt | Ah, apparently I failed to clean up the backport/backports error on all of the systems. |
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| 16:56.23 | jhutchins_lt | Now getting 404 on backports. Sigh. |
| 16:56.24 | papabaer | jordanm: that is wanted scenario. just a drop in mailsystem which will receive mails from different domains and put it to local mail users. Intended to catch system information mails from different domains |
| 16:56.52 | jordanm | should be good then |
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| 16:57.31 | papabaer | jordanm: yes, thank u |
| 16:57.53 | jordanm | np |
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| 16:58.15 | jhutchins_lt | Pebcac, nm. |
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| 16:58.23 | jhutchins_lt | kac anyway. |
| 16:58.24 | stew | nickaugust: check "zless /usr/share/doc/console-terminus/README.Debian.gz" |
| 16:58.25 | delarge | hello |
| 16:59.25 | nickaugust | stew: thx |
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| 17:00.53 | delarge | i have debian lenny and i need install the package 'python-support' version 0.90 but in my sources only i have for install the version 0.84 |
| 17:01.15 | delarge | i can install package package of sid's sources ? |
| 17:01.19 | delarge | from lenny |
| 17:01.57 | jhutchins_lt | delarge: Mixing releases is almost as sure to break your system as mixing distributions. |
| 17:02.05 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions python-support |
| 17:02.07 | judd | Package python-support on i386 -- etch: 0.5.6; lenny: 0.8.4lenny2; lenny-backports: 1.0.3~bpo50+1; sid: 1.0.10; squeeze: 1.0.10 |
| 17:02.25 | jhutchins_lt | !tell delarge about backports |
| 17:02.28 | stew | delarge: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 17:02.55 | jhutchins_lt | points to judd's output. |
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| 17:03.27 | stew | he probably needs to use the lenny-backport in order to get python-support, then use that to do ssb from the sid source of whatever it is depending on python-support |
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| 17:04.35 | macrobat_ | how can i tell if there are half-installed half-configured pkgs? |
| 17:04.38 | stew | ooh, botsnack, debhelper |
| 17:05.02 | papabaer | jordanm: and with local_sender_blacklist and whitliste I found the solution for the "simple" spam filter :-D |
| 17:05.08 | stew | macrobat_: you can search the output of "dpkg -l" for uppercase letters in the first column |
| 17:05.29 | stew | macrobat_: perhaps "dpkg -l | grep '^[A-Z]'" |
| 17:06.00 | macrobat_ | ty |
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| 17:06.32 | Death4Li1e | hi, my computer already shutdown twice now while trying to partition during the install, what can I do about it? |
| 17:07.47 | pif | hi, how can I add a specific firmware file in a initrd ? |
| 17:08.02 | jhutchins_lt | Death4Li1e: Probably a good idea to open it up and clean it. |
| 17:08.13 | Death4Li1e | it is clean... |
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| 17:08.33 | stew | amazingly, i cannot figure out how to find half-installed packages using aptitue search |
| 17:08.36 | Death4Li1e | there's no dust in it, if that's what you mean |
| 17:08.39 | stew | (without a grep) |
| 17:09.45 | cahoot | Death4Li1e: checked dmesg for any clues? |
| 17:09.50 | jhutchins_lt | So it just powered itself off in the middle of partitioning? |
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| 17:10.03 | Death4Li1e | it's during the installer, I don't think there's a dmesg saved of that? |
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| 17:14.33 | Death4Li1e | and it just crashed again while partitioning the hard disk to ext3 using LVM. :( I'll try without LVM now :x |
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| 17:17.43 | sigmonsays | Does anyone have tips on allowing a chroot'd rsync to function without allowing shell? |
| 17:17.50 | sigmonsays | (over ssh of course) |
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| 17:19.32 | stew | sigmonsays: if you use key based authentication, you can limit what commands are used with that key in authorize keys |
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| 17:20.26 | wilfredor | Good afernoon |
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| 17:20.53 | sigmonsays | stew, Ah, very nice, a interesting point to consider |
| 17:21.02 | stew | sigmonsays: http://www.sakana.fr/blog/2008/05/07/securing-automated-rsync-over-ssh/ |
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| 17:21.34 | sigmonsays | thanks stew |
| 17:22.35 | wilfredor | What is the right way if I see my package (GNU) in debian linux (in the repositories) ? |
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| 17:24.35 | deAtog | I'm getting the following error in my exim4 mainlog "(gnutls_handshake): A TLS packet with unexpected length was received." whenever I try to send email via a Windows Mobile device. As a result of this error I can no longer send email from these devices. Anyone know a way to correct this issue? |
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| 17:25.45 | jordanm | papabaer: you might actually want what is known as greylisting instead |
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| 17:27.10 | Enverex | I accidentally disconnected an external drive from my server. I reconnected it immediately expecting the system to stall but then carry on when it was reconnected, but instead it just seems to have gone completely foobar. Any processes trying to write to that drive have now frozen, sync never returns and it's refusing to init 6. Any ideas around this? |
| 17:27.57 | jordanm | Enverex: reboot |
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| 17:28.02 | MarceloVaz | lol |
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| 17:31.34 | Enverex | jordanm: Really, that's the only option? Geez |
| 17:32.13 | jordanm | Enverex: from removing a block device that was in use? there may be another way, but it doesn't sound unreasable to me |
| 17:32.22 | jordanm | IMO, you are lucky to not get a kernel panic |
| 17:32.49 | Enverex | Well no system critical processes would have been using it. Init 6 doesn't work though so rebooting may be hard |
| 17:32.58 | valdyn | uh, linux can deal with storage disconnects just fine, usually |
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| 17:33.41 | jordanm | probably thanks to NFS :) |
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| 17:33.49 | Burns | Hello, is exim4 installed by default in debian |
| 17:33.55 | abrotman | Enverex: is there a process trying to use the device? you could try killing that process |
| 17:34.05 | jordanm | Burns: if you select "standard system" yes |
| 17:34.07 | abrotman | Burns: yes .. but you can change it to anything you like |
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| 17:34.14 | valdyn | Enverex: this stuff should time out of you are not using an exotic fs |
| 17:34.16 | Enverex | abrotman, There is, but the process wont terminate, even with -9 |
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| 17:34.35 | valdyn | Enverex: you should never have tried -9 |
| 17:34.39 | abrotman | does it have a PPID ? |
| 17:34.56 | Enverex | abrotman, 1 (init) |
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| 17:35.18 | jordanm | you tried to kill -9 init? |
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| 17:36.39 | jordanm | that would be about the equivelent of just killing the power to computer, as far as data corruption risk goes |
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| 17:37.19 | Enverex | jordanm, Doesn't that only effect the process I killed? (doesn't really matter about what it was writing to) |
| 17:37.34 | valdyn | Enverex: 1 is parent to all processes |
| 17:37.37 | jordanm | Enverex: killing init would kill all proccess |
| 17:38.03 | Enverex | jordanm: I didn't try and kill init, I tried to kill the defunct hung process |
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| 17:38.37 | simonrvn | it's been repeaed, or was handed over |
| 17:38.38 | jordanm | Enverex: when abrotman asked you what the proc was, you told him init |
| 17:38.53 | Enverex | No, abrotman asked me what the parent process was |
| 17:38.58 | abrotman | i asked what the PPID was |
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| 17:39.18 | simonrvn | ereaped even |
| 17:39.27 | jordanm | oh, sorry |
| 17:39.33 | simonrvn | erm, sigh |
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| 17:41.05 | jordanm | Enverex: that the problem proc is currently in a D state? |
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| 17:41.18 | Guest16620 | anyone know how to make a deb repo on an RHEL webserver? RHEL doesn't seem to have reprepro in it's yum |
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| 17:42.25 | Enverex | jordanm: Zsl whatever that means, zombie sleep? |
| 17:42.34 | jordanm | Guest16620: you can get it from git http://mirrorer.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 17:43.21 | Guest16620 | Jordanm, essentially compile it from source |
| 17:43.23 | jordanm | Enverex: zombie, session leader, multi-threaded |
| 17:43.36 | Enverex | That makes more sense |
| 17:43.44 | jordanm | Guest16620: yes, or build an RPM for it. did you check to see if it was available from EPEL? |
| 17:43.53 | Guest16620 | EPEL? |
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| 17:44.29 | Guest16620 | Cool, never heard of EPEL before |
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| 17:45.22 | jordanm | Guest16620: its additional software, packaged by the fedora guys. |
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| 17:47.34 | jordanm | Enverex: if the parent is init, I would say we are back to reboot |
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| 17:50.34 | simonrvn | that's someone i haven't seen here for a long time |
| 17:50.47 | Enverex | Assumine I couldn't access the machine physically and init 6 did nothing, what options are there? |
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| 17:51.35 | jordanm | Enverex: how did you accidently remove the external drive if you can't access it physically? |
| 17:51.59 | Enverex | jordanm: I can get back to the machine., it's just a hypothetical situation if I couldn't for whatever reason |
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| 17:52.43 | jordanm | AFAIK, the only way to deal with a zombie proc is to either a) ignore it b) kill the parent. in this case, because the parent is init, you are looking at a reboot |
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| 17:53.04 | rozie | hi, I wonder what package can provide hibernation/suspend in LXDE when uswsusp and hibernate packages are removed (purged) |
| 17:53.08 | jordanm | if someone knows another way to deal with zombies, I would be interested in reading as well |
| 17:53.48 | abrotman | !zombie |
| 17:53.51 | jordanm | rozie: pm-utils? |
| 17:53.52 | abrotman | %zombie |
| 17:53.53 | dselect | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
| 17:55.12 | rozie | jordanm: yep, they're installed, thx. investigation in progress ;-) |
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| 17:59.58 | Enverex | jordanm: Right, but say I had no physical access to this machine: init 6 does nothing which means I can't reboot normally |
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| 18:03.28 | Enverex | reboot -ndf seems to have worked |
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| 18:04.04 | arcsky | guys isnt those steps ok when i want to add a virtual host in apache ? http://pastebin.com/VakWQDaz |
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| 18:04.53 | eTo_PL | hi everyone |
| 18:04.58 | fac3less | Anyone up for some fun troubleshooting? Quasi-skullfarked my LUKS / LVM partition |
| 18:06.11 | jordanm | arcsky: no, that modifies the existing default site |
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| 18:06.27 | Name141 | Is the last floppy install etch ? |
| 18:06.41 | eTo_PL | anyone knows simple music player that can have few playlists open as tabs, that run smothly on lxde? |
| 18:06.49 | jordanm | Name141: sarge IIRC |
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| 18:07.51 | stew | dselect: etch floppies |
| 18:07.51 | dselect | well, etch floppies is http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ -- substitute your architecture for "i386". |
| 18:08.26 | Name141 | http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/20070308etch7/images/floppy/ I imagine ? |
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| 18:09.13 | Name141 | What do I need though ? |
| 18:09.17 | Name141 | boot.img ? |
| 18:10.17 | jordanm | Name141: its possible to use a floppy to boot a usb drive, which you can use to install lenny |
| 18:10.21 | jordanm | %usb install |
| 18:10.21 | dselect | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 18:10.30 | stew | Name141: and root.omg |
| 18:10.33 | Name141 | jordanm: even for old 1998 computers ? |
| 18:10.38 | arcsky | jordanm: do you know any working guide? |
| 18:10.40 | Name141 | that don't support USB boot ? |
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| 18:10.46 | Name141 | (from BIOS) |
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| 18:11.18 | Name141 | seems like the bot told me no ;o |
| 18:11.29 | jordanm | arcsky: see /usr/share/doc/apache2/README.Debian.gz |
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| 18:12.18 | jordanm | Name141: it suggests the plop bootloader for that case |
| 18:12.20 | arcsky | jordanm: thx |
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| 18:13.03 | Name141 | eh ? |
| 18:13.16 | Ogmios | Name141: BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 18:13.19 | Ogmios | right there |
| 18:13.21 | Name141 | oh I see |
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| 18:13.49 | Name141 | So, how do I use these etch images anyway? |
| 18:14.29 | Name141 | Plus, I'd need to figure out if the floppy even works anymore. The CD-ROM and CD-RW went out years ago. It's got an old ubuntu on it. |
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| 18:15.04 | Name141 | I think I should just turn it in to an emulator computer and call it shot |
| 18:15.08 | Ogmios | Name141: Sounds like an acrtion item |
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| 18:15.37 | Name141 | Ogmios: acrtion ? |
| 18:15.39 | Ogmios | action rather, figuring out if the floppy works |
| 18:15.44 | Name141 | oh |
| 18:15.55 | Name141 | I looked at EIDE CD-RW's and they are still $20 |
| 18:16.02 | Name141 | seems they haven't came down in years |
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| 18:16.15 | Name141 | I think I might as well put it out to pasture |
| 18:16.20 | Name141 | it's not worth even floppy money |
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| 18:17.05 | Name141 | Maybe I could get a few dollars on the NIC , VooDoo3, and PCI USB2 cards |
| 18:17.09 | Name141 | shrugs |
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| 18:18.53 | ScottG | Anyone know a good program for finding unused programs on a system? |
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| 18:19.08 | stew | ScottG: debfoster? |
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| 18:20.13 | linux2 | I'm having a strange problem, and I can't quite figure out why my machine is behaving this way. What I'm running into is that I can hear sound through kde (system notifications) and through amarok, but not through any other apps. Any ideas? |
| 18:20.40 | jordanm | stew: I have not used that, but looking at the package description, how does it differ from aptitude search '~i~M', aside from keeping a different list from aptitude? |
| 18:20.49 | jordanm | or is that the point... to keep the list seperate? |
| 18:21.02 | stew | jordanm: debfoster? |
| 18:21.05 | jordanm | yes |
| 18:21.40 | jordanm | oh, I see, it actually monitors changes to the depends |
| 18:21.40 | stew | jordanm: your search is more like deborphan. debfoster more agressive and will say things like "if you let me remove X i can remove 10 other packages [Yn]" |
| 18:22.00 | gnarface | linux2: yea your card doesn't support hardware mixing but most the apps default to use the hardware device this is common on most new on-board soundcards. you can either 1) disable sound in KDE and only run one sound-related app at a time or 2) reconfigure every app to use the 'default' device instead of the 'hw' device |
| 18:22.09 | stew | jordanm: give it a try, you can play without let it commit anything |
| 18:22.09 | jordanm | stew: but wouldn't those 10 other packages be marked A, and removed anyways? |
| 18:22.16 | stew | yes |
| 18:22.17 | jordanm | alright, will do :) |
| 18:22.27 | stew | jordanm: but the packages its asking you about might not be A |
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| 18:22.56 | linux2 | gnarface, humm... I haven't had this issue in the past. It is an old card as well. EMU10K1 chipset. Soundblaster Live! card. |
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| 18:23.13 | gnarface | linux2: oh. that is weird then. that card *does* support hw mixing. |
| 18:23.43 | gnarface | linux2: good card |
| 18:23.50 | linux2 | gnarface, it's almost like the sound output is going to the "wrong" location. I do see that lspci lists the onboard soundcard, but I don't see that as being loaded. |
| 18:24.04 | linux2 | gnarface, my favorite card. I've keep moving it to each new machine a build. |
| 18:24.19 | linux2 | I build* |
| 18:24.46 | rozie | OK, I isolated problem |
| 18:24.48 | gnarface | linux2: you can pass index=0, index=1 etc as module parameters to the onboard and soundblaster drivers individually to make sure the soundblaster is the default card. |
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| 18:25.34 | rozie | hibernation with pm-utils-hibernate works fine |
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| 18:26.00 | rozie | and with s2disk from uswsusp works badly |
| 18:26.16 | linux2 | gnarface, humm ok, it seems like it is trying to use the nvidia card (even though it is disabled in the bios). I just unloaded the module and now alsamixer doesn't work |
| 18:26.30 | rozie | just as I described http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=583525 |
| 18:26.34 | jordanm | feel free to provide feedback using reportbug, just make sure the issues you experienced have not already been reported |
| 18:26.37 | jordanm | ah, ok |
| 18:27.01 | jordanm | I see thats your report :) |
| 18:27.03 | rozie | I also tried with fresh installation of uswsusp now |
| 18:27.05 | gnarface | linux2: you got a copy of audacious2 around? load it up and see which devices are shown as available audio playback devices. alsamixer -c [int] can pick specific cards too |
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| 18:27.31 | rozie | (so it's default, not like provided in report one) |
| 18:27.54 | linux2 | gnarface, humm ok, so my soundblaster card is actually on index 2 |
| 18:28.07 | linux2 | gnarface, there are two other "cards" with no volume controls that are loaded |
| 18:28.15 | rozie | jordanm: uswsusp maintainer seems to be a little absent ;/ |
| 18:28.22 | linux2 | gnarface, any way for me to force unload all of the snd modules? |
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| 18:28.43 | rozie | as I gave http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=574653 with solution and no sign of life |
| 18:29.18 | rozie | gnarface: take a look at /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf |
| 18:29.34 | gnarface | linux2: yes, modprobe -r each one individually. if kde is tying one up you might have to modprobe -f -r to force it, but it's probably a wiser choice to exit everything that's accessing a soundcard first instead |
| 18:30.01 | rozie | gnarface: you can disable one card there |
| 18:30.14 | rozie | (not sure if it's what you want to achieve) |
| 18:30.23 | gnarface | rozie: we're helping linux2 here. i don't have problems with my soundcard |
| 18:30.54 | rozie | oh, right, there's not your nick on the beginning |
| 18:31.04 | rozie | I'm kind of sleepy ;-/ |
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| 18:31.22 | gnarface | rozie: linux2 also i don't see any point in disabling a perfectly good card. it should be sufficient to just make the good one index=0 just in case you want to use the others for ancillary functionality at some point (extra line-ins or something) |
| 18:31.30 | gnarface | rozie: no problem :) |
| 18:31.41 | jordanm | rozie: http://wiki.debian.org/qa.debian.org/MIATeam . a few months is not unreasonable to not reply to a bug report. there are some years old that have not been touched unfortunately. however, if you think the dev is really MIA see the link |
| 18:31.51 | ScottG | stew: Ah yes I've used that before. I seem to remember it acting in a more manual than automatic way where it just asks you if you want to keep a package |
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| 18:32.20 | linux2 | gnarface, humm yeah. I actually just prefer my soundblaster. I don't even know why my motherboard is allowing the integrated card to show up. It should be entirely disabled (as it has been in the past) |
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| 18:32.49 | gnarface | linux2: you flash your bios lately? |
| 18:32.57 | linux2 | gnarface, nope, haven't touched it |
| 18:33.01 | rozie | linux2: take a look at /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf |
| 18:33.16 | b0nghitter | nevermind, the flashplayer-mozilla package in dmm IS vulnerable to the latest flash exploit |
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| 18:34.30 | linux2 | gnarface, do you recognize this card: MPU-401 UART? |
| 18:35.02 | linux2 | rozie, yeah. I think I will make it so the other cards won't load as index 0, I just need to figure out what module mpu-401 uart uses |
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| 18:35.28 | gnarface | linux2: my /etc/modprobe.d/options.conf file might be informative to you as well. http://pastebin.com/9UVP3FKu pay particular attention to the index= options on the first two modules (note i put the soundblaster card second because my onbard has more accurate 5.1 audio playback despite being slower) |
| 18:35.49 | rozie | linux2: they used: |
| 18:35.54 | gnarface | linux2: MPU-401 UART sounds like some sort of midi controller. it is probably a sub-component of one of the other cards |
| 18:35.57 | rozie | # Keep snd-usb-audio from beeing loaded as first soundcard |
| 18:36.07 | rozie | options snd-usb-audio index=-2 |
| 18:36.27 | gnarface | rozie: , linux2 i think it would be wise to override this from an options.conf file in the same directory using the actual module name not the system alias |
| 18:36.38 | gnarface | (as i have done) |
| 18:37.32 | gnarface | i really like how alsa works. they really have a long way to go on sane defaults and appropriate documentation though |
| 18:37.53 | gnarface | it's so hard to figure out |
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| 18:38.44 | YliNG | Guys, how do I remove a hilight from my hl list in irssi ? :o)) |
| 18:38.56 | linux2 | gnarface, ahh ok, snd_mpu401_uart is the midi controller coming from my motherboard |
| 18:39.00 | linux2 | which I didn't disable |
| 18:39.11 | gnarface | it is probably harmless |
| 18:39.51 | linux2 | gnarface, ok, well I just updated all the module options. Going for a reboot now. Wish me luck |
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| 18:40.18 | gnarface | you need to figure out which one is the actual main card driver for the onboard one though. snd_emu10k1 should be the soundblaster live card. whatever the other one is it will also begin with snd_ |
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| 18:41.58 | jhutchins_lt | So, I had this great idea. Any time you try to install or upgrade to testing, there should be a disclaimer that it's not the latest hottest version, it's testing, and it's not an upgrade. |
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| 18:42.28 | jhutchins_lt | Second, if the system's being "upgraded" from stable, apt should ask "please point to your latest system backup" and require a valid backup. |
| 18:43.24 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: not going to happen, there's no generalized way to check for a "valid backup" |
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| 18:44.17 | gnarface | jhutchins_lt: while i agree with you that a rollback feature would be nice it would also waste a HUGE amount of disk space and anyone who thinks something called 'testing' or 'unstable' is anything but will get what they're asking for |
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| 18:44.25 | andrewtaylor | hi, i'm trying to install some packages on an old etch system; a dist-upgrade isn't feasible at this time. It's complaining it can't find a public key to verify the packages, but, keyring.debian.org doesn't seem to ahve the key I neeed. Any one got any pointers ? |
| 18:44.41 | andrewtaylor | http://pastie.org/1189563 |
| 18:44.44 | linux2 | ok, well now my soundblaster card is loaded as the default... but still only sound output through KDE |
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| 18:45.00 | jelly-home | andrewtaylor: /msg dpkg etch sources.list |
| 18:45.12 | gnarface | andares: etch is deprecated. it's not on the main repos anymore, that's why it's failing for you. i would update to lenny if i were you |
| 18:45.23 | jelly-home | andrewtaylor: /msg dpkg etch->lenny, which is in the topic, would have pointed you to that factoid as well |
| 18:45.50 | jelly-home | dpkg: test |
| 18:45.54 | andrewtaylor | Etch must be on the archives-mirror though |
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| 18:46.11 | andrewtaylor | that's the whole point of it deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free contrib |
| 18:46.16 | jelly-home | andrewtaylor: and it is. |
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| 18:46.37 | gnarface | linux2: i'm not familiar with kde. do you know which alsa device on the soundcard it is using? |
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| 18:47.14 | jelly-home | badgers: etch sources.list |
| 18:47.27 | andrewtaylor | this is an old box that is being de-commissioned. I just need to install some etch packages before I can migrate services to the Lenny box |
| 18:47.47 | gnarface | linux2: like 'default' 'hw' 'surround51' or the like? |
| 18:47.52 | jelly-home | andrewtaylor: etch _is_ present on archive.d.o |
| 18:47.56 | stew | dselect: etch sources.list |
| 18:47.56 | dselect | etch sources.list is, like, "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" and "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-security etch/updates main contrib non-free". But realise that Etch has not had security support since February 2010 and that you should upgrade to a newer release. Ask me about <etch->lenny>. |
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| 18:48.06 | linux2 | Says it is using SBLive! Platinum (rev. 8) Standard PCM Playback |
| 18:48.06 | gnarface | linux2: also, is the user you're logging in with in the 'audio' group? |
| 18:48.46 | linux2 | gnarface, just checked. I'm in the audio group |
| 18:49.07 | andrewtaylor | jelly-home: yes, but, I can't find a public key for it and apt is complaining - W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: |
| 18:49.07 | andrewtaylor | 9AA38DCD55BE302B |
| 18:49.18 | andrewtaylor | it's not on on keyring.debian.org |
| 18:49.26 | gnarface | linux2: i think that is the card not the alsa device. alsa has several virtual devices that are auto-created for each card. you can see their names with "aplay -L" and "aplay -l" |
| 18:49.48 | jelly-home | andrewtaylor: you might have to install debian-archive-keyring blindly |
| 18:50.01 | gnarface | linux2: also... you don't have a ~/.asoundrc by any chance do you? i remember i used to need one then some version of alsa changed internal defaults and i had to actually delete it to get stuff working again |
| 18:50.04 | jelly-home | or fetch it from a public keyserver |
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| 18:50.43 | linux2 | gnarface, no ~/.asoundrc file here |
| 18:50.57 | andrewtaylor | jelly-home: i've tried a few of the public servers but they don't have it either. Can you not skip-gpg-check like with yum ? |
| 18:50.58 | linux2 | gnarface, yeah. kde is using the "default" alsa device. CARD=0 |
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| 18:51.30 | jelly-home | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:51.30 | jelly-home | gpg: requesting key 55BE302B from hkp server keys.gnupg.net |
| 18:51.30 | jelly-home | gpg: key 55BE302B: public key "Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (5.0/lenny) <ftpmaster@debian.org>" imported |
| 18:51.38 | jelly-home | andrewtaylor: works for me |
| 18:51.43 | stew | andrewtaylor: gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys 55BE302B |
| 18:52.11 | andrewtaylor | perfect thanks, that wasn't one of the servers i was trying |
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| 18:52.31 | linux2 | gnarface, humm ok, now mplayer has sound... just no sound from my games (trying with frozen bubble) |
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| 18:52.51 | jelly-home | andrewtaylor: and gpg --export 55BE302B | apt-key add -, after that |
| 18:53.01 | andrewtaylor | yup, thanks. Just couldn't find the key |
| 18:53.19 | stew | of course after checking your trust path to the key! :) |
| 18:53.26 | linux2 | gnarface, humm ok, flash has sound now... let me see something |
| 18:53.29 | jelly-home | stew: hah |
| 18:53.30 | gnarface | linux2: try switching them all to it to 'hw:0,0' perhaps? kde included. on that card hw:0,0 should be capable of internal hardware mixing. that would be faster and more available than 'default' which is alsa's built-in software muxer |
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| 18:55.36 | linux2 | gnarface, ok, let me try some other games. Seems just like SDL apps don't have any sound for some reason |
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| 18:58.19 | linux2 | gnarface, humm weird. Most apps have sound. Not sure why frozen-bubble doesn't |
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| 19:03.38 | gnarface | linux2: does it rely on oss perhaps? |
| 19:03.47 | gnarface | linux2: or an older version of the alsa api? |
| 19:04.02 | abrotman | probably, it's an old game .. make sure the OSS compat modules are loaded |
| 19:04.17 | linux2 | yeah, let me try the oss stuff. hang on one sec |
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| 19:05.36 | gnarface | some old stuff that supported both alsa and oss at one piont i've found stopped working after alsa .9x something but started working in the latest alsa-oss |
| 19:05.41 | linux2 | gnarface, ahh I found the problem. I simply need to update my system. There are package conflicts cause I haven't had this system running for about 8 months. |
| 19:06.05 | gnarface | linux2: glad you figured it out. |
| 19:06.20 | linux2 | thanks for all your help |
| 19:06.24 | gnarface | no problem |
| 19:06.27 | linux2 | glad to have gotten this resolved |
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| 19:07.27 | shahri | I'm frigging paranoid about my user crontab |
| 19:07.29 | linux2 | now I actually have another question. Anyone else here use a usb 3g sprint modem for internet? ever since a recent update on my laptop if I plug the modem in it loads the correct modules and then unloads them automatically. the only way it will work is if I boot up with the modem plugged in. |
| 19:07.50 | ZitZ | hey, i was wondering if it is possible to create a bash scirpt that ran when my external hard drive is mounted |
| 19:07.53 | shahri | how easy it would be to get a virus/trojan to autostart by just writing it into the user crontab |
| 19:07.56 | shahri | or am I mistaken? |
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| 19:08.41 | abrotman | shahri: when would you run it? and what damage would it do? |
| 19:08.43 | gnarface | shahri: only root and shell users can write to users' crontabs. if you can't trust the people who have shell access on your system you're already fucked |
| 19:09.10 | shahri | gnarface: but there's also a user crontab (~/.crontab, iirc) |
| 19:09.21 | dudz_ | whats debian'ing chaps |
| 19:09.26 | gnarface | shahri: that's YOUR crontab |
| 19:09.31 | shahri | yes |
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| 19:10.09 | shahri | so it'd require nothing but an extremely simple executable (or shell script) to get a virus running here |
| 19:10.16 | stew | shahri: you have to assume that if someone else can write to your home directory, they can execute commands as you, and therefore get access to your account |
| 19:10.26 | shahri | yupp |
| 19:10.35 | stew | shahri: regardless of cron |
| 19:10.35 | shahri | I mean, I'm not complaining, I don't see another way either |
| 19:10.45 | gnarface | shahri: it wouldn't need to use cron. if you run a malicous process as any user you're screwed |
| 19:10.53 | shahri | but it's just kind of... making me paranoid oO |
| 19:10.54 | stew | shahri: since they could do something like replace your .profile / .bashrc |
| 19:11.03 | shahri | stew: exactly; crontab was just an example |
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| 19:11.27 | gnarface | time for lunch for me. later on people |
| 19:11.53 | shahri | and then you could easily gain root access by waiting for me to compile some package which I will then proceed to install as root |
| 19:12.04 | RichiH | debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Dialog |
| 19:12.04 | RichiH | debconf: (Dialog frontend requires a screen at least 13 lines tall and 31 columns wide.) |
| 19:12.04 | RichiH | debconf: falling back to frontend: Readline |
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| 19:12.13 | RichiH | this is one of the reasons why i love debian so much |
| 19:12.38 | RichiH | things _work_ because people _really think_ about how to make them _resilient_ |
| 19:12.45 | RichiH | this needed to be said. |
| 19:13.28 | ZitZ | does debian have anything like launchd |
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| 19:14.24 | stew | ZitZ: what is that? |
| 19:14.39 | mjmt | ZitZ: Depends, what feature of launchd specifically? |
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| 19:14.55 | ZitZ | it's like cron, but i want it to be event based, ie, when my drive is mounted |
| 19:14.59 | eldowan | !ping |
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| 19:15.12 | eldowan | is dpkg decomissioned? |
| 19:15.14 | ZitZ | or moreso like init i guess |
| 19:15.17 | stew | eldowan: on vacation |
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| 19:15.32 | stew | ZitZ: you can have udev run scripts, there are higher level tools like halevt |
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| 19:15.51 | stew | eldowan: 'dselect' is a standin |
| 19:15.54 | eldowan | stew: aah, damn. I was remembering the wonderful responses that were setup. I was hoping to browse through them, but I'll have to check back another time. |
| 19:15.58 | ZitZ | let me quick look up halevt |
| 19:16.00 | Ahil | ZitZ, if you want events, try dbus + hal |
| 19:16.08 | eldowan | stew: cool, thanks for the info. |
| 19:16.12 | stew | eldowan: you browse on http://ircbots.debian.net |
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| 19:17.00 | eldowan | stew: hmm, that url is being reported as down. cannot locate. :( Thanks anyway. |
| 19:17.16 | stew | eldowan: WFM |
| 19:17.20 | eldowan | what the hell, now its coming up. |
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| 19:22.56 | ZitZ | thanks guys |
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| 19:38.17 | joeykrim-work | is the DpkgBot open source? |
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| 19:39.15 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: Well, you wouldn't have to necessarily incorporate a backup program, just verify that a backup exists. |
| 19:39.27 | stew | joeykrim-work: yes, infobot.org |
| 19:39.33 | jhutchins_lt | Unfortunately, testing isn't always called testing, it's called squeeze. |
| 19:39.43 | joeykrim-work | stew: thx :) |
| 19:39.57 | jhutchins_lt | People from other distributions have come to believe "unstable" means fancy new features, not will break your system. |
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| 19:40.17 | stew | joeykrim-work: if you want the actual facts in its database, /msg dpkg your factoids |
| 19:40.37 | joeykrim-work | stew: is it possible to load that into my own copy of infobot? |
| 19:40.55 | stew | joeykrim-work: yes |
| 19:41.21 | joeykrim-work | stew: it says hasn't a clue when sent that message |
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| 19:41.48 | stew | dpkg: tell joeykrim-work about your factoids |
| 19:42.13 | joeykrim-work | stew: sounds good. thx |
| 19:42.15 | Linus | Hi. I have a remote debian server with a user named "orione" and a lot of other users. If i do "ls /home/orione/" from SSH there are a bunch of files and folders there, but if I try to access them from FTP I don't see any file. I also tried creating another FTP account with the VirtualMin panel I'm using but I still can't see any fyle. |
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| 19:43.04 | Linus | Other users can list files both via SSH and via FTP. Any idea if there is some way of "hiding" files in linux that might be causing this? Of course the file don't start with ".". My daemon is ProFTPd |
| 19:43.04 | Linus | Other users can list files both via SSH and via FTP. Any idea if there is some way of "hiding" files in linux |
| 19:43.08 | Linus | whoops sorry |
| 19:43.15 | Linus | about repetition |
| 19:43.38 | dimir | wow, what a nick. |
| 19:43.51 | nsadmin | maybe there is a config file for proftpd |
| 19:44.04 | coax | hey linus love your work |
| 19:44.07 | Linus | dimir: it's just a common name in europe |
| 19:44.15 | nsadmin | maybe there are logs that show what happened with each access |
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| 19:44.48 | dimir | Linus: ye, especially in Italy. |
| 19:45.01 | Linus | dimir: believe it or not. |
| 19:45.19 | JoshH | hey Linus, great kernel man |
| 19:45.23 | JoshH | it's really nice |
| 19:45.26 | Linus | nsadmin: checking |
| 19:45.27 | dimir | :-D |
| 19:45.37 | Linus | rofl, every time the same thing :) |
| 19:46.10 | dimir | Linus: I assume ftp server doesn't use system accounts. |
| 19:46.25 | dimir | Linus: as the name VirtualMin tells me it uses virtual users. |
| 19:46.38 | Linus | no I guess it does |
| 19:47.00 | Linus | because virtualmin creates a system account for each of their account, which has the same login both in SSH and FTP |
| 19:47.31 | Linus | but I'm not sure of course, just noting that both SSh and FTP loginname/password couple are the same |
| 19:47.46 | Linus | also, the FTP home directory is the home of the system account |
| 19:47.51 | Linus | (/home/username) |
| 19:48.51 | Linus | If I try to access /home/orione/lol via FTP it says "failed to retrieve directory listing", if i try to access /home/orione or /home/orione/public_html it says "empy directory listing" |
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| 19:49.24 | jhutchins_lt | Why run ftp at all? Just use ssh to transfer files. |
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| 19:50.08 | Linus | because i work with freelancers over the world that have no idea what ssh is |
| 19:50.17 | nsadmin | right, (you can explore this part) ftp is not really a good idea |
| 19:50.27 | nsadmin | especially authenticated ftp |
| 19:50.38 | Linus | anyway how would i go for using ssh to transfer files? |
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| 19:50.46 | Ogmios | sftp |
| 19:50.47 | Linus | does it have a googlable name? |
| 19:50.48 | Linus | ok |
| 19:50.57 | nsadmin | scp, sftp |
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| 19:51.28 | stew | Linus: tell them "when it asks you what protocol, tell filezilla or whatever to use sftp" |
| 19:51.31 | nsadmin | but sftp is just a wrapper for scp |
| 19:51.34 | Ogmios | most ftp clients support sftp now |
| 19:51.57 | stew | nsadmin: not really, but... |
| 19:52.00 | Linus | I see, let me see if I can install the server then |
| 19:52.31 | stew | Linus: what server? |
| 19:52.34 | nsadmin | so sftp uses something completely different from scp to transfer, protocolwise? |
| 19:52.39 | Ogmios | Linus: you can enable sftp in your sshd config file |
| 19:52.50 | Linus | oh, right. |
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| 19:53.04 | stew | nsadmin: scp doesn't use an sftp server |
| 19:53.06 | nsadmin | or, sftp uses -exactly- what scp uses? |
| 19:53.14 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 19:53.29 | nsadmin | but sftp does? |
| 19:53.35 | stew | yes |
| 19:53.43 | ElDeablo | Boa tarde! |
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| 19:54.16 | nsadmin | doesn't make sense... why would they come up with something different when that already exists... |
| 19:54.16 | stew | nsadmin: for example /usr/lib/sftp-server (but there is also now a built-in sftp server) |
| 19:54.18 | nsadmin | rant rant |
| 19:54.24 | Linus | how do I know if I'm running openssh, sshd.. or what else? |
| 19:54.31 | stew | nsadmin: because sftp does stuff that scp can't |
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| 19:55.16 | nsadmin | Linus: looks like you'll probably need an sshd and an sftpd |
| 19:55.19 | Ogmios | scp is to sftp what ftp is cp |
| 19:55.31 | Ogmios | err cp is to ftp |
| 19:55.45 | stew | is to rcp, perhaps |
| 19:55.57 | Ogmios | stew: my bad |
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| 19:56.05 | Linus | nsadmin: even I'f already SSHing with the server? |
| 19:56.10 | Linus | if I'm* |
| 19:56.31 | nsadmin | according to the conversation I just had with stew, yes |
| 19:56.47 | nsadmin | looks like you'll need an sftpd |
| 19:57.02 | nsadmin | and I suppose you could run both sftpd and proftpd |
| 19:57.22 | simonrvn | i'd favout the sftp though ;) |
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| 19:57.32 | simonrvn | *vour |
| 19:57.47 | nsadmin | but you'll want to get rid of proftpd after a time of the freelancers getting used to it |
| 19:57.59 | cokegen | hey, just a silly question ... where can I find the etch install ISO's now ? |
| 19:58.10 | simonrvn | why? |
| 19:58.17 | nsadmin | archive.debian.org? |
| 19:58.18 | Ogmios | sftp is built in to sshd |
| 19:58.26 | cokegen | thx, let me see |
| 19:58.33 | stew | cokegen: not from debian, you won't find them there |
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| 19:59.04 | Linus | nsadmin: negative, apt-get wants me to delete proftd in order to install vsftpd |
| 19:59.04 | nsadmin | install etch? old hardware? |
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| 19:59.25 | stew | Linus: you don't need to install a sftp package, its included with your ssh server |
| 19:59.27 | nsadmin | I don't think vsftpd is a sftpd |
| 19:59.36 | Ogmios | I thought sshd can act as an sftp server |
| 19:59.40 | stew | it can |
| 19:59.51 | stew | openssh-server comes with two sftp servers, in fact |
| 19:59.54 | Ogmios | So he doesn't need anything else |
| 19:59.57 | stew | no |
| 19:59.59 | stew | he doesn't |
| 20:00.04 | Ogmios | he can just setup sshd_config |
| 20:00.10 | stew | vsftpd is an ftpd not an sftpd |
| 20:00.13 | cokegen | no, old software that doesn't compile on lenny |
| 20:00.18 | nsadmin | right, he just needs to run it |
| 20:00.24 | cokegen | need the etch gcc + glibc |
| 20:00.27 | stew | and its available by default |
| 20:00.42 | nsadmin | why doesn't it compile? |
| 20:00.50 | stew | you can use sftp without channging sshd_config |
| 20:01.06 | cokegen | stew: anywhere you know where I can get them then ? |
| 20:01.09 | Linus | ah, right. |
| 20:01.15 | stew | cokegen: i don't know |
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| 20:01.22 | cokegen | k no problem |
| 20:01.51 | jhutchins_lt | cokegen: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 20:01.55 | stew | cokegen: you could install a stable system, and create a etch chroot inside for building |
| 20:02.11 | nsadmin | you could always port the thing to lenny |
| 20:02.14 | Ogmios | So just " BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 20:02.18 | Ogmios | oops |
| 20:02.26 | nsadmin | it would require you knowing C pretty well |
| 20:02.30 | Ogmios | so just Subsystem sftp /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server |
| 20:02.36 | Ogmios | that is it? |
| 20:02.41 | jhutchins_lt | cokegen: Sorry, grabbed the wrong URL, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 20:02.42 | cokegen | sure ... just need to build the binaries for one package |
| 20:02.45 | nsadmin | why are there two sftpds? |
| 20:02.58 | jhutchins_lt | cokegen: See also http://snapshot.debian.org |
| 20:03.26 | stew | Ogmios: yes, or "Subsystem sftp internal-sftp" depending on which sftp server you want to use |
| 20:03.27 | cokegen | imagemagick 6.2.8 exactly, can't switch to a newer version bc I did complex stuff with that version |
| 20:04.03 | stew | nsadmin: the internal one is newer and lets you do some stuff the external one cant like chrooting the user. the external one can be wrapped to do stuff like set umask |
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| 20:04.39 | Linus | great! thanks for the suggestion, I feel I made a progress. I now realized user "orione" doesn't have permission to do "ls /home/orione" |
| 20:04.40 | nsadmin | when you say internal do you mean that it's inside the sshd? |
| 20:04.43 | cokegen | jhutchins_lt: thx man |
| 20:04.50 | stew | nsadmin: yes |
| 20:05.23 | Linus | but doing ls -l /home/orione from root it seems /home/orione is owned by user orione group orione |
| 20:05.27 | nsadmin | and it's the internal one that is running by default? |
| 20:05.31 | Linus | doing ls -l /home actually. |
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| 20:05.48 | stew | nsadmin: I believe that debian ships with the external one configured |
| 20:05.59 | Ogmios | it does |
| 20:06.05 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 20:06.06 | Ogmios | it was on by default on my sever |
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| 20:06.11 | nsadmin | thanks |
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| 20:06.32 | stew | nsadmin: here's what I'm using to force users in the sftponly group to only be able to sftp, and to be chrooted to their home: http://paste.debian.net/92425 |
| 20:06.36 | Linus | Sorry for posing the wrong question before but I now learned to use SFTP which is cool, i guess. |
| 20:06.56 | nsadmin | Linus, bottom line is you want to get your folks weaned off of plain ftp |
| 20:07.09 | nsadmin | (I notice we haven't said why yet...) |
| 20:07.13 | Ogmios | Linus: you guess??? Have some excitement about sftp! :) |
| 20:07.19 | Linus | nsadmin: now that I've seen how easy it is I will :) |
| 20:07.43 | Ogmios | unsecure, weak vector for attacks |
| 20:08.24 | nsadmin | so the answer to that, is that all communication (incl auth info like passwds) are sent over internet without trying to hide them |
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| 20:10.06 | nsadmin | and anyone can install themselves inbetween and watch, especially on the local nets on either side |
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| 20:10.24 | Linus | Ok but now: drwxr-xr-x 14 orione orione 4096 Jul 6 09:00 orione |
| 20:10.24 | Linus | drwxr-xr-x 14 orione orione 4096 Jul 6 09:00 orione |
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| 20:10.36 | Linus | and still I can't do ls /home/orione as user orione |
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| 20:10.50 | Linus | says permission denied |
| 20:11.25 | nsadmin | ok, ls -ld / /home /home/orione |
| 20:11.42 | jhutchins_lt | Linus: I had to do this with a very non-technical client. He was on a Mac, and I had to track down someone who know how to do scp file transfers with a mac, then coach the client from third-party information, but we avoided running ftp. |
| 20:11.52 | Linus | drwxr-xr-x 24 root root 4096 Sep 2 19:07 / |
| 20:11.52 | Linus | drwxr-xr-x 21 root root 4096 Sep 16 14:58 /home |
| 20:11.52 | Linus | drwxr-xr-x 14 orione orione 4096 Jul 6 09:00 /home/orione |
| 20:12.13 | nsadmin | hmm. looks fine |
| 20:12.29 | epsilon | which ftpd? |
| 20:12.38 | Linus | ProFTPd |
| 20:12.46 | Linus | if you're talking to me |
| 20:12.49 | epsilon | and whats the issue? |
| 20:13.13 | Linus | well now it's not really the FTPd, it's that as user orione, which has those permission pasted before |
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| 20:13.19 | Linus | I can't do ls /home/orione |
| 20:13.23 | nsadmin | Linus: aptitude install pastebinit |
| 20:13.23 | Linus | -> permission denied |
| 20:13.27 | nsadmin | as root |
| 20:13.41 | epsilon | is that in shell or in ftp-session? |
| 20:13.49 | Linus | epsilon: ftp-session |
| 20:13.51 | Linus | shell works fine |
| 20:13.58 | nsadmin | (don't worry, you did exactly as I wanted, which is paste those three lines) |
| 20:14.10 | epsilon | default proftpd conf, or did you modify it? |
| 20:14.15 | nsadmin | but now I want to see a longer listing |
| 20:14.34 | Linus | epsilon: default as installed by virtualmin. |
| 20:14.43 | Linus | nsadmin: cant i just copy paste to a pastebin site? |
| 20:14.47 | epsilon | what's virtualmin? |
| 20:14.50 | nsadmin | sure |
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| 20:15.17 | Linus | epsilon: a manager for guys hosting websites on their servers basically |
| 20:15.26 | nsadmin | but if pastebinit still works (?) you won't have to |
| 20:15.43 | Linus | nsadmin: which command? |
| 20:15.46 | epsilon | in this case need the proftpd.conf (or whatever is used) |
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| 20:16.05 | jhutchins_lt | !info virtualmin |
| 20:16.17 | jhutchins_lt | !show virtualmin |
| 20:16.18 | Ogmios | stew: is the biggest difference betwen the two sftp services, internal's support for chroot which sftp-server lacks? |
| 20:16.26 | nsadmin | Linus, (as orione in shell) cd ; ls -l | pastebinit |
| 20:16.27 | epsilon | and as which user is the ftp-session running, while the user is logged in? |
| 20:17.11 | stew | Ogmios: afaik. the external one can be wrapped by a shell script as well. i don't know any other reasons to choose one over the other |
| 20:17.14 | Linus | epsilon: user orione |
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| 20:17.31 | simonrvn | ,info virtualmin |
| 20:17.33 | judd | No record of package 'virtualmin' in lenny/i386. |
| 20:17.37 | Ogmios | stew: ok thanks |
| 20:17.58 | nsadmin | , versions virtualmin |
| 20:17.59 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'virtualmin' was found in i386. |
| 20:18.08 | MarceloVaz | Linus virtualmin is opensource ? |
| 20:18.23 | Linus | MarceloVaz: Yes I think so |
| 20:18.23 | epsilon | well in this case, proftpd should work with default debian installation... if some other program manipulated/replace the conf, I need to know what's changed |
| 20:18.25 | Linus | almost sure |
| 20:18.26 | jhutchins_lt | "Flexible open source and commercial web server control panel built on top of Webmin by the developers of Webmin, intended to ease configuration of Apache" |
| 20:18.30 | epsilon | it can be anything due to conf |
| 20:19.12 | jhutchins_lt | !webmin |
| 20:19.12 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://bugs.debian.org/343897 about the removal from Debian. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 20:19.19 | stew | Linus: you shoud probably put your proftpd configs in a pastebin |
| 20:19.27 | MarceloVaz | I recommend and use ISPConfig, I have in production for two years and never had problems |
| 20:19.33 | Linus | stew: ok, I'm trying to find it |
| 20:19.50 | Linus | MarceloVaz: actually I have it on another server and have had problems, but then again I'm not a techie |
| 20:20.25 | MarceloVaz | right |
| 20:20.31 | jhutchins_lt | It takes less time to learn actual system administration than to clean up after the inevitable webmin screwup. |
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| 20:20.53 | epsilon | ack |
| 20:20.54 | Linus | jhutchins_lt, uh... I have daily backups... |
| 20:21.03 | jhutchins_lt | Linus: Excellent! |
| 20:21.32 | nsadmin | and you'd need them if you use webmin :) but I agree, keeping backups is excellent |
| 20:21.46 | Linus | Nothing too fancy, I crontabbed mysqldump daily and then Linode takes a snapshot of files daily automatically |
| 20:22.12 | Linus | (well not just some files, the whole filesystem) |
| 20:23.17 | DDRP | I use the a script which keeps daily, weekly, and monthly logs |
| 20:23.24 | DDRP | er, backups of mysql I mean |
| 20:23.43 | DDRP | I use Linode as well, they rock |
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| 20:24.09 | Metaphysicist | Is there an equivalent program for Debian of the Ubuntu usb-creator tool? |
| 20:24.17 | DDRP | Though I find it hard to believe that Linus is not a technie, considering he wrote the Linux kernel, with a bunch of loose-knit hackers |
| 20:24.45 | Linus | So: http://pastebin.com/dWvUyC3L is the result of li147-143:~$ cd ; ls -l | pastebinit - |
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| 20:25.05 | Linus | this is a recap of the problem: http://pastebin.com/8R33G18z |
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| 20:25.14 | Linus | and now I'll try to find the proftpd conf |
| 20:25.44 | nameless` | hi |
| 20:26.04 | nameless` | i would like to understand something about the way a ip packet is process in the kernel |
| 20:26.31 | nameless` | is the ip source set before or after consulting the routing table ? i would say after but i want to be sure :) |
| 20:27.08 | cokegen | if I need to update an etch box from the internet I just should point the sources.list file to "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" right ? |
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| 20:28.03 | cokegen | there isn't any more security updates for etch ? |
| 20:28.11 | stew | nameless`: i don't know for sure if an src ip is set before consulting the routing table(s), but I can tell you for sure that the routing tables can affect the src ip |
| 20:29.18 | sweetpi | !etch |
| 20:29.19 | dpkg | Etch is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. Etch users should upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Removed from the mirrors (2010-06-20); ask me about <etch sources.list>. For old Etch ISOs, ask me about <etch iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100121 |
| 20:29.25 | nameless` | stew: yeah, i woulde say so since if you bind your socket to INADDR_ANY, when replying to a TCP SYN it will set the source according to the interface that offers the connectivity to the destination address of the requesting node |
| 20:29.39 | Linus | li147-143:/home/orione# find -name 'proftpd.conf' |
| 20:29.39 | Linus | li147-143:/home/orione# |
| 20:29.42 | Linus | ? |
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| 20:29.50 | MrRenegade | !bash |
| 20:29.51 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bash is the Bourne Again SHell, and the default Debian shell. Ask me about <bash faq>, <bash pitfalls>, <bbg>, <abs>, <parsing ls>, <bashism>. http://wiki.debian.org/Bash #bash on irc.oftc.net and irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:29.56 | nameless` | Linus: try locate |
| 20:29.56 | Linus | Response:220 ProFTPD 1.3.1 Server (Debian) |
| 20:29.56 | epsilon | usualy /etc/proftpd/proftpd.conf |
| 20:30.07 | MarceloVaz | !beer |
| 20:30.07 | dpkg | it has been said that beer is liquid gold mate |
| 20:30.11 | Linus | so find isnt guaranteed to actually find files? |
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| 20:30.28 | stew | nameless`: also note that you can do "ip route add 1.2.3.4/32 dev eth0 src 5.6.7.8 to force the source ip to 5.6.7.8 when using that route |
| 20:30.32 | epsilon | only in given dir |
| 20:30.32 | MrRenegade | !cookies |
| 20:30.32 | dpkg | <Zygo> our corporate web guy is talking to our corporate database guy...about this "service" where site A sells us a list of cookie keys (and associated name/address/phone number values) that they set in their users' browsers when said users follow a link to our site. |
| 20:30.39 | nameless` | Linus: find browse a folder iteratively |
| 20:30.40 | MarceloVaz | !robots |
| 20:30.40 | dpkg | i heard robots is when everybody uses dpkg to speak |
| 20:30.57 | epsilon | Linus: are you actually the root, adminstrating the proftpd? |
| 20:31.02 | Linus | yep. |
| 20:31.08 | nameless` | Linus so if your target is the last line, it may take time :) however locate rely on a database that is updated |
| 20:31.59 | hideki | Is this THEE Linus ? |
| 20:32.16 | Linus | hideki: having problems with file permissions and FTP? unlikely. |
| 20:32.31 | phogg | hideki: of course not |
| 20:32.33 | Linus | nameless: but find returned |
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| 20:33.39 | nameless` | Linus you gave him no argument |
| 20:33.59 | nameless` | Linus the path is /etc/proftpd/proftpd.conf though |
| 20:34.04 | nameless` | stew: you sure ? |
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| 20:34.16 | nameless` | stew: don't you force the source address with iptables ? |
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| 20:34.18 | stew | nameless`: am i sure you can set the src ip like that? |
| 20:34.35 | tehrabbitt-mobil | Do I need null modem to connect to console? |
| 20:34.38 | nameless` | steyes |
| 20:34.42 | stew | nameless`: i'm sure you can set the src ip like that. you can use iptables to rewrite it AFTER routing |
| 20:34.44 | nameless` | stew yes |
| 20:35.10 | nameless` | well i don't understand the packet processing then |
| 20:35.28 | nameless` | how a route may affect the source ip field in the packet chain processing |
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| 20:38.02 | Ogmios | tehrabbitt-mobil: no, if you have a proper serial cable you are good to go |
| 20:38.03 | Linus | and here comes the proftpd.conf: http://pastebin.com/p81WQsT4 |
| 20:38.22 | Linus | I'm a bit puzzled. |
| 20:38.38 | Ogmios | tehrabbitt-mobil: my system uses a regular straight though serial cable |
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| 20:39.10 | jhutchins_lt | Linus: I do seem to recall having this type of problem with user accounts created by Webmin (I was hired to admin a site that already had it.) |
| 20:39.38 | Linus | jhutchins_lt: oh, and? |
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| 20:43.21 | jhutchins_lt | It's not quite as bad as Peoplesoft, which I just had to troubleshoot. |
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| 20:43.41 | anisfarhana | beep beep! :) |
| 20:43.52 | anisfarhana | Anyone can assist me on squid here ? |
| 20:43.57 | jhutchins_lt | Linus: I dunno, I mostly went through and tried to manually fix all the wierd stuff it did, it did tend to get permissions strangely mixed up on mail and such. |
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| 20:48.53 | Linus | jhutchins_lt actually |
| 20:48.55 | Linus | <Linus> seems like only /home/orione had +r permission |
| 20:48.55 | Linus | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:48.55 | Linus | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:48.55 | Linus | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:49.10 | Linus | (sorry for mass pasting) |
| 20:49.30 | joshsmith | gg |
| 20:52.13 | nameless` | Linus: find /etc -name "proftpd.conf" |
| 20:52.24 | nameless` | Linus: find /etc -name "proftpd.conf" |
| 20:52.42 | Tom01 | what? |
| 20:53.10 | nameless` | ping |
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| 20:53.14 | nameless` | oups |
| 20:54.00 | nameless` | sorry my screen was scrolled up so that i answered to an obsolete question and didn't understand why it didn't appear :) |
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| 20:57.52 | jhutchins_lt | Gotta love IRC. |
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| 20:58.19 | tehrabbitt-1 | how can I determine what port my COM port is for use with minicom? |
| 20:58.29 | nsadmin | Linus, but... when you showed the ls -ld listings on those dirs, it looked like it had the +rs for everyone |
| 20:58.34 | tehrabbitt-1 | I know one is the internal modem, and one is the actual COM port, but idk which /dev/ttySx it is |
| 20:59.04 | nsadmin | all of /, /home, /home/orione dirs were 755 |
| 20:59.13 | Linus | nsadmin: well, what can I say? I have no idea of why |
| 20:59.26 | nsadmin | weird |
| 21:00.08 | nsadmin | I mean moreorless, that's the first place my attention went |
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| 21:18.35 | Raptors | python-apt is broken. Is there a way to fix it? http://pastebin.ca/1951393 |
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| 21:20.55 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions python-apt |
| 21:20.57 | judd | Package python-apt on i386 -- etch: 0.6.19; lenny: 0.7.7.1+nmu1; squeeze: 0.7.97.1; sid: 0.7.98 |
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| 21:21.30 | jhutchins_lt | Raptors: Yeah, run a working release. |
| 21:21.32 | jhutchins_lt | !sid |
| 21:21.32 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
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| 21:28.39 | acu | mariusv, |
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| 21:36.52 | MrRenegadeMobile | why set a channel limit? |
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| 21:37.10 | MrRenegadeMobile | ahh gotcha |
| 21:37.45 | mjmt | Is it just me or is there something wrong with the claim "World Fastest 10x BD Speed"? |
| 21:37.49 | MrRenegadeMobile | find it kind of intresting that there are 902 people in here and yet no ones really talking |
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| 21:39.50 | MrRenegadeMobile | mjmt and the claim is in regards to what? |
| 21:40.10 | mjmt | Blueray drive speed. |
| 21:40.11 | mjmt | I would' |
| 21:40.11 | acu | MrRenegadeMobile, this is a technical support chat room, not a social discussion room - people come here - ask a question - and others answer it - it should be concrete and with enough background so other can answer |
| 21:40.18 | UweBollsFunder | can anyone tell me why all those server or shell providers forbid IRC traffic? |
| 21:40.21 | mjmt | ve thought 10x was fixed. |
| 21:41.25 | mjmt | Oh and it has a graph illustrating that 10x beats 8x, 6x, 4.8x, AND 2x! |
| 21:41.34 | mjmt | I hate marketing. |
| 21:41.34 | acu | MrRenegadeMobile, I think there is a #debian-offtopic for more social flavor |
| 21:42.21 | elik | I did not upgrade on testing for a while, and now I'm having a bit of a hard time... During boot, I see the log up to the point gdm, cron and cupsd are started, and then, I would see a few flickers for the graphic mode switch, and gdm login. After latest updates, after gdm is started, my screen just goes blank, I can't go to vt, and all I can do is hold power for 5 seconds. Looking at the log did not turn up anything useful, be it in me |
| 21:42.21 | elik | ssages, xorg, kernel... |
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| 21:44.54 | MrRenegadeMobile | acu: I understand its a help support channel i was merely stating that it was kinda quiet with the amount of people we have in here that's all. |
| 21:45.25 | gnarface | elik: you say you actually see the gdm login screen appear before it goes blank? |
| 21:45.30 | elik | no |
| 21:45.38 | elik | gnarface, just the trace of gdm being started |
| 21:46.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | elik, it seems default changed to use framebuffer devices from lenny to squeeze for many cards... and that's making problems |
| 21:46.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | haven't upgraded myself yet, though |
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| 21:47.07 | elik | CutMeOwnThroat, which log would give me more info on that? |
| 21:47.29 | elik | I mean, I'd expect Xorg to be spitting tons of stuff in logs |
| 21:47.30 | UweBollsFunder | hi WhoThisThen |
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| 21:49.22 | do0ob | Something strange is happening, i can't access HTTPS sites |
| 21:49.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | elik, look at http://bugs.debian.org/xserver-xorg-video-intel (substitute server for your video card) for reports and workarounds |
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| 21:49.45 | gnarface | elik: some Xorg drivers *cough* official Nvidia *cough* are highly allergic to having the console framebuffer driver already loaded when X starts, just fyi. not sure if that's your problem specifically but it would fail catastrophically. maybe IO lock |
| 21:50.29 | elik | gnarface, good to know, this very computer will be having a hard time in a few minutes then :) |
| 21:50.30 | do0ob | dns is fine |
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| 21:52.10 | elik | CutMeOwnThroat, I'll look it up. I think I have an intel card (an old centrino laptop). |
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| 21:52.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | I have only heard about it here... |
| 21:52.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 21:52.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | !xorg hal |
| 21:52.40 | dpkg | From squeeze onwards, Xorg uses <hal> for configuration. You can now change the configuration for your mouse pointers etc without having to restart X and you don't need to configure the keyboard layout for console and X separately. This vastly reduces the amount of code duplication between kernel and Xorg which reduces the amount of "bloat"; why should Xorg try to work out what devices are attached when the kernel already knows? |
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| 21:53.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | elik, also, from squeeze on, there is no xorg.conf anymore .... on fresh installs/ by default |
| 21:53.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | everything is autodeteted now |
| 21:53.40 | elik | right, I think it's the case with mine |
| 21:54.04 | elik | hum, actually not |
| 21:54.09 | elik | it is an intel driver |
| 21:54.19 | elik | CutMeOwnThroat, you think leaving it up to autodetection might help? |
| 21:54.21 | do0ob | nvidia xconfig is nice if you've got an nvidia card, it makes it again |
| 21:54.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | so either (re)moving the old xorg.conf or if it's not there writing a new one might help |
| 21:54.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | elik, easy to try... |
| 21:54.48 | elik | CutMeOwnThroat, so not xorg.conf at all? |
| 21:54.52 | elik | no* |
| 21:55.03 | sile | Hi, I'm trying to install Debian Squeeze with the ISO copied to a usbdrive with unetbootin. Installation fails at step "Select and install software" after almost an hour of fetching packages (so frustrating :_), just when it starts installing them. Any suggestions please? Thanks! |
| 21:55.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's the idea |
| 21:55.19 | jhutchins_lt | elik: Are you running squeeze? |
| 21:55.28 | elik | jhutchins_lt, yup |
| 21:55.50 | gnarface | elik: not that nvidia binary drivers are supported here, and i'll get in trouble for helping you too much, but personally if you're using them i'd recommend letting the official installer create an xorg.conf for you rather than leaving it up to Xorg to autodetect everything. that never works for me |
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| 21:56.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | why'd he want to use nvidia drivers with an intel card? |
| 21:57.06 | elik | gnarface, yeah, that'll be a problem for later. I have 2 boxes: laptop with intel graphic card and desktop with nvidia |
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| 21:57.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah :) |
| 21:57.28 | elik | gnarface, I'll get to the desktop when I sort out the laptop :) |
| 21:57.36 | jhutchins_lt | elik: There is a known bug with the squeeze drivers for several Intel chipsets, including several commonly used in laptops. |
| 21:57.46 | jhutchins_lt | elik: Fall back to lenny, it works fine. |
| 21:57.52 | elik | you're all too useful to lose my internet connection :P (and so is internet) |
| 21:58.10 | jhutchins_lt | elik: They've fixed the bug but the updates haven't made it to Debian yet, they'll take a while to trickle into squeeze. |
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| 21:58.22 | jhutchins_lt | elik: They just fixed it a week or two ago. |
| 21:58.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins_lt, is there a factoid for that? I know that it happens often, but only from people complaining here... and never followed closely |
| 21:58.50 | elik | jhutchins_lt, that's a kernel fix? |
| 21:59.07 | jhutchins_lt | CutMeOwnThroat: There are bugreports on it. Do you want a factoid? |
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| 21:59.28 | jhutchins_lt | elik: Somewhere between the kernel and the intell driver, which has had problems itself. |
| 21:59.28 | sweetpi | elik: "video=vga i915.modeset=0" has always worked around that problem for me |
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| 22:00.09 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah, some people can get around it by disabling framebuffer/kms. For me it just modifies the problem. |
| 22:00.20 | jhutchins_lt | I have an 855. |
| 22:00.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins_lt, I was just looking for bugreports on xserver-xorg-video-intel and there's lots, including one critical one that isn't what we'Re talking about |
| 22:00.43 | jhutchins_lt | One of the problems is that there are variations of how these chipsets are implemented in different laptops. |
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| 22:01.39 | jhutchins_lt | CutMeOwnThroat: I chased it down from the log error: Failed to submit batchbuffer: Input/output error |
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| 22:02.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | in so far... yes... an easy-to-find factoid leading to the right bug report might be useful |
| 22:02.53 | sile | Hi, I'm trying to install Debian Squeeze with the netinst ISO copied to a usbdrive with unetbootin. Installation fails at step "Select and install software" after almost an hour of fetching packages (so frustrating :_), just when it starts installing them. Any tips on find out why the installation fails? |
| 22:03.04 | sile | *finding |
| 22:03.13 | jhutchins_lt | CutMeOwnThroat: The problem is that there are several variations on the problem, due to the different chipsets and implementations of each. |
| 22:03.46 | elik | jhutchins_lt, the way I see it, there are 3 options for me: try sweetpi's workaround, fallback to lenny or fetch fix from sid (if available) |
| 22:03.54 | jhutchins_lt | sile: Nobody here seems to know the trick of getting unetbotin to work with debian, we get that question a lot. |
| 22:04.10 | jhutchins_lt | elik: Not yet available, and backporting xorg from sid would not be recommended. |
| 22:04.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | sile, you already said that! Switch to a console and look for a real error, also check the output of "dmesg" (should be the same).... like this, nobody can guess |
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| 22:04.33 | jhutchins_lt | sile: We know the debian method(s) work. |
| 22:04.40 | jhutchins_lt | sile: Why are you trying to install squeeze though? |
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| 22:04.50 | elik | jhutchins_lt, I was thinking of getting the kernel, but it might be a worse idea |
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| 22:04.59 | sile | I tried to install lenny but I failed as well |
| 22:05.12 | dtcrshr | hello everyone! i got a share stabilished under fstab as this: server:/folder/subfolder nfs defauts 0 0 0 |
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| 22:05.20 | jhutchins_lt | elik: Actually, the kernel's not that bad to backport, but the fix isn't in sid yet as far as I know. |
| 22:05.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh... unetbooting... that's that windows thingy to put an image on your stick... |
| 22:05.21 | sile | I have a netbook without built-in CD-ROM |
| 22:05.29 | jhutchins_lt | !usb install |
| 22:05.29 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 22:05.34 | dtcrshr | and i always got trouble when im startint the pc, i wish to make this mountplace available, but dont automatic |
| 22:05.42 | jhutchins_lt | sile: I strongly recommend lenny. |
| 22:05.52 | elik | jhutchins_lt, and would I go about falling back to lenny? |
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| 22:06.01 | sile | and the installation failed at the same step, using and external usb cd-rom |
| 22:06.10 | sile | *an |
| 22:06.32 | jhutchins_lt | sile: Yeah, that's where people usually tell us unetbootin fails. I don't know if it works, people it works for don't come here for help. |
| 22:06.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | elik, backups? |
| 22:07.03 | jhutchins_lt | elik: Backups or clean reinstall. |
| 22:07.26 | jhutchins_lt | I did squeeze on multi-boot so I can still run lenny. |
| 22:07.34 | elik | yikes! first time squeeze failed on me that hard |
| 22:07.45 | sile | it fails in the same way using an usb CD reader as well |
| 22:08.11 | sile | I'll keep investigating, thanks a lot =) |
| 22:08.11 | elik | I guess now I know why it's called testing :D |
| 22:08.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | sile, look for an error message as I told you |
| 22:08.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | "failed" is too unspecific |
| 22:08.53 | ScottG | What is the difference between debfoster and deborphan? |
| 22:08.56 | jhutchins_lt | Ah, I see the squeeze team has been busy, time to update again. |
| 22:09.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | elik, if you figure out what the problematic packages are, you can also get them from testing... |
| 22:09.08 | sile | it says something like "ACPI Error, namespace lookup failure" |
| 22:09.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | err, from unstable |
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| 22:09.46 | elik | CutMeOwnThroat, right, but according to jhutchins_lt, the fix is not there yet |
| 22:09.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | elik, of course... there _might_ be reason it hasn't come out of sid yet.... except that it's fairly new |
| 22:10.03 | elik | :D |
| 22:10.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought he said the fix is in sid, just not in testing |
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| 22:10.08 | elik | break it some more |
| 22:10.09 | jhutchins_lt | Is there a known problem with squeeze's multimedia key? |
| 22:10.21 | UweBollsFunder | I'm having trouble fixing the time on my system. I'm using dpkg-reconfigure tzdata, which brings up a text menu interface. I select GMT -4 (Montreal), but the server time is 8 hours ahead. If I select GMT + 4 then it works, but isn't that a bug? |
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| 22:10.29 | jhutchins_lt | CutMeOwnThroat: Um, not known to be in sid yet. |
| 22:11.09 | jhutchins_lt | 114 packages since last week! |
| 22:13.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | sile, that's still... vague.. as such I can only suggest you boot the kernel with acpi=off - advice that is also rather vague |
| 22:13.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins_lt, you said it was fixed! Where should be if not in sid... fixes like that wouldn't go to experimental |
| 22:14.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, you meant it's fixed in xorg, but not packaged |
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| 22:14.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | eye sea |
| 22:14.37 | UweBollsFunder | ah so |
| 22:14.47 | sile | CutMeOwnThroat, those are the last lines dmesg throws. I know it's vague but it's the only information the installer shows |
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| 22:15.20 | sile | I'll try the noacpi stuff |
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| 22:17.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | UweBollsFunder, perhaps you clock is just 8 hours wrong? |
| 22:18.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | after you configured it, it should also show you UTC, which is 22:20 now... |
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| 22:19.00 | matu | hi |
| 22:19.19 | matu | how to play a dvd using debian ? |
| 22:19.28 | jordanm | vlc? |
| 22:19.30 | matu | libdvdnav crash using vlc |
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| 22:19.58 | matu | here is a report |
| 22:20.00 | matu | http://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=77867 |
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| 22:20.23 | gnarface | i don't have any problems with vlc |
| 22:20.39 | gnarface | but there's dozens of other options |
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| 22:21.01 | matu | cacan oyu rly launch a dvd and watch the movi ? |
| 22:21.07 | gnarface | yes |
| 22:21.13 | matu | :/ |
| 22:21.13 | UweBollsFunder | is there a server for bandwidth speed test I can use from the console? ie not based on Flash? |
| 22:21.25 | matu | could you give me another way to play my dvd plz ? |
| 22:21.35 | matu | mplayer also crash |
| 22:21.40 | matu | because of the libdvdnav |
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| 22:21.45 | matu | i am using debian stable |
| 22:21.49 | Death4Li1e | UweBollsFunder: you can just wget a file? |
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| 22:22.24 | gnarface | matu: if they're commercial dvds probably none of them will work until you've installed libdvdcss2, which is *not* a part of debian, but you can get it from videolan's apt repository |
| 22:22.30 | UweBollsFunder | Death4Li1e: I guess I could grab Firefox from somewhere, yeah. Do you know of any high-speed FTP servers I could upload to? |
| 22:22.44 | UweBollsFunder | to test upload speed |
| 22:23.01 | prizm | UweBollsFunder: for the love of god cut off funding please |
| 22:23.03 | matu | http://pastebin.com/aNgmrfas |
| 22:23.13 | prizm | cool you run debian, uncool you support uwe. |
| 22:23.14 | Death4Li1e | UweBollsFunder: oh euhm, that's a harder one, no idea really |
| 22:23.16 | matu | oh ok |
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| 22:23.27 | matu | yes i bought them |
| 22:23.32 | UweBollsFunder | prizm: never! nyah nyah nyah |
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| 22:23.45 | Death4Li1e | runs off |
| 22:23.54 | UweBollsFunder | thanks anyway |
| 22:23.59 | jordanm | ,versions vlc |
| 22:24.00 | judd | Package vlc on i386 -- etch: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch3; etch-security: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch3; lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2; lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2.3; sid: 1.1.3-1; squeeze: 1.1.3-1; experimental: 1.1.4-1 |
| 22:25.30 | prizm | I'm having difficultly trying to install the Crystal SoundFusion driver into the kernel and ALSA. |
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| 22:26.03 | prizm | It seems to work fine for me, but modprobe refuses to load the module, thinking it doesn't exist. |
| 22:26.11 | prizm | I'm on a fully patched Debian Lenny system. |
| 22:26.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | ohwell, night |
| 22:28.24 | jhutchins_lt | prizm: Where did you get the driver? |
| 22:28.38 | prizm | followed the instructions on the wiki page |
| 22:29.07 | prizm | I've got the firmware file, patched Linus' code for the module as required |
| 22:29.41 | jhutchins_lt | prizm: Something in that last step didn't work right then, you didn't end up with a module your system recognizes. Were you following a guide? |
| 22:29.55 | prizm | yes |
| 22:30.05 | prizm | exactly as said |
| 22:30.37 | jhutchins_lt | (Knowing what guide might be helpful to someone trying to help you out.) |
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| 22:31.09 | sile | how can I boot Debian installer with acpi=off option? |
| 22:31.12 | KB1JWQ | Sure. |
| 22:31.17 | KB1JWQ | Er. |
| 22:31.27 | KB1JWQ | You may have to tweak the bootloader, so it'd depend on your install media. |
| 22:31.35 | jhutchins_lt | Isn't there a tab for "kernel options"? |
| 22:31.37 | prizm | this one: http://wiki.debian.org/snd-cs46xx |
| 22:31.43 | prizm | sile: Enter help |
| 22:31.50 | prizm | and then you can feed it options |
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| 22:32.14 | prizm | sinc ethe fb was glitchy for me, I entered help, and typed "install fb=false acpi=off" |
| 22:32.16 | prizm | for example |
| 22:33.27 | elik | jhutchins_lt, so, erm, I'm not really familiar with sweetpi modeset suggestion. I know I have to edit my boot options, but I don't know which line ( I think it's the linux line), and if setting for i.915 is correct |
| 22:33.32 | elik | i915* |
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| 22:34.20 | UweBollsFunder | when I ssh into a machine, does bash_profile or bashrc run? |
| 22:34.30 | matu | gnarface, thanks a lot |
| 22:34.44 | sile | prizm, I get a black screen after entering help :O |
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| 22:34.46 | matu | i added the http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-debian.html ebian unstable line |
| 22:34.52 | UweBollsFunder | ,bashrc |
| 22:35.00 | matu | and it now works,was it the right way to get it working ? |
| 22:35.03 | prizm | sile: weird, sometimes it takes time though |
| 22:35.16 | sile | i'll try to be patient =D |
| 22:35.22 | gnarface | matu: no problem. |
| 22:35.40 | prizm | it like sometimes displays most of help, but misses a few letter sand won't take input |
| 22:35.45 | jordanm | matu: you switched from debian provided to upstream software. this just means that vlc support now goes to the vlc people and not here |
| 22:35.50 | jhutchins_lt | prizm: Which kernel do you have? |
| 22:35.53 | jordanm | matu: if it works, thats good |
| 22:35.53 | prizm | you have to wait for the letters to load |
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| 22:36.01 | prizm | jhutchins: latest from lenny repos |
| 22:36.09 | sile | prizm, oh my god I'm a genius |
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| 22:36.12 | prizm | not from backports, but it's added to sources.list and updated some |
| 22:36.16 | jhutchins_lt | prizm: uname -r? |
| 22:36.19 | prizm | sile: works? |
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| 22:36.31 | sweetpi | elik: something like kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=... ro vga=vesa i915.modeset=0 |
| 22:36.32 | sile | I had to press Tab to add options |
| 22:36.44 | jhutchins_lt | prizm: Ah, it LOOKS to me like if you installed the .32 kernel from backports then did the firmware you'd be set. |
| 22:36.45 | prizm | Linux giles 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Thu Sep 16 19:35:51 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 22:36.48 | sile | although, I'm now getting a black screen anyway hahahaha =D |
| 22:36.55 | prizm | well poopers |
| 22:37.01 | prizm | time to update |
| 22:37.08 | elik | sweetpi, and how do I find out if i915 is the right module for me? |
| 22:37.17 | jhutchins_lt | sweetpi: Did you write that up on a forum or something? |
| 22:38.04 | sweetpi | jhutchins_lt: no I figured most people knew it by now, I've been preaching it for a while :) |
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| 22:38.20 | elik | lspci does not seem to show anything related to i915 |
| 22:38.55 | sweetpi | elik: im using a i8xx and it works, maybe man intel will show the chipsets |
| 22:39.03 | prizm | speaking of lspci, let's post your LSPCI results |
| 22:39.45 | prizm | http://pastebin.com/dryTXwuq |
| 22:39.59 | prizm | let us know what hardware lurks in your pci slots and friends |
| 22:40.27 | elik | yeah, I'll try and fix first, then post the lspci, cause for now, no access to much |
| 22:40.44 | jordanm | prizm: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 22:40.50 | sweetpi | jhutchins_lt: maybe someone could add it to the bot |
| 22:41.34 | elik | Intel Corporation 8285/855GM Integrated graphics device |
| 22:41.41 | elik | so I guess it's a 855 |
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| 22:42.13 | sweetpi | elik: yeah thats the chip one of my boxes uses |
| 22:42.38 | elik | giving it a try right now :) |
| 22:43.31 | prizm | one of my boxes uses a Intel Extreme Graphics 845 |
| 22:43.33 | jhutchins_lt | sweetpi: I thought I'd seen a post on that and recognized your name. |
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| 22:43.47 | sweetpi | jhutchins_lt: possibly |
| 22:43.57 | prizm | incredibly bad 3d support even on windows, but otherwise suprsringly nice for integrated GFX |
| 22:43.59 | jhutchins_lt | sweetpi: No, I think for now the official squeeze fix is "fall back to lenny until it's updated". |
| 22:44.25 | prizm | too bad lenny is pretty much a snapshot of ~2007ish software |
| 22:44.34 | JyZyXEL | lol |
| 22:44.48 | prizm | sure it was released in 2009, but PekWM 0.1.5? Seriously? |
| 22:44.52 | jhutchins_lt | prizm: It's not, read up on how Debian works. Fixes are backpatched. |
| 22:44.52 | JyZyXEL | blast from the past |
| 22:45.00 | prizm | it's so bad I had to use backports |
| 22:45.08 | prizm | I love a stable rarely changing system |
| 22:45.11 | jhutchins_lt | prizm: Which is why they're there. |
| 22:45.14 | prizm | just that I like a bit of modernosity |
| 22:45.18 | prizm | yea |
| 22:45.23 | jordanm | prizm: thats what backports are there for. the freeze was 2008 |
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| 22:45.42 | jordanm | I prefer the more reliable older packages... |
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| 22:45.58 | k1ng | guys add me to your xbox live: weirderk1ng |
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| 22:46.55 | sweetpi | If debian stable had the latest spiffy features, I for one wouldnt be using it for servers |
| 22:46.59 | JyZyXEL | one of the biggest problems in lenny for me has been the fact that loading crypto keys from USB initramfs is broken |
| 22:47.05 | Ogmios | k1ng: add Stercus |
| 22:47.27 | JyZyXEL | from USB memory, in initramfs that is |
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| 22:53.59 | jkprg | Hi. I've just installed fresh lenny and I'm trying to replay pcap file using tcpreplay. But tcpreplay send always only first packet. If I specify -t (top speed) all packets are sent. I looks like timing issue. But why? Do you know what would be the problem? Thx |
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| 22:55.45 | NOMADICUS | Hello, have any of you used APTonCD before? I am trying to use it to mount a repo dvd, but I need to edit the apt.conf file, however I'm not able to find it. Do any of you know where it is? |
| 22:56.09 | elik | sweetpi, well well, the vga/ i915.modeset didn't quite seem to work, but that might be my error. At any rate, using the old kernel solved my issue |
| 22:57.51 | jordanm | NOMADICUS: I think you can use apt-cd to modify it for you |
| 22:58.37 | jordanm | !apt-cdrom |
| 22:58.37 | dpkg | from memory, apt-cdrom is used to add a new CDROM to APT's list of available sources: man apt-cdrom. See also <apt-cdrom_external>. |
| 23:01.47 | elik | sweetpi, jhutchins_lt, (there was also someone starting in p, but I lost my backlog), here is my lspci: http://pastebin.com/caZYh6y8 |
| 23:02.02 | elik | I'd be more than happy to provide you with other log files, etc |
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| 23:03.30 | sweetpi | elik: what kernel version are you trying? |
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| 23:03.37 | jhutchins_lt | elik: I have an 855 and for me there is no fix. Changing framebuffer/ksm just changes how the system crashes. |
| 23:04.06 | jhutchins_lt | elik: I really think you could burn more time than a clean install would take and get nowhere. |
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| 23:06.51 | madi | hi all, today i tried to connect a projector to my laptop running debian squeeze but i cannot figure out why was not running. Please can you point me any 'how to' ? thanks |
| 23:07.14 | elik | as for the person who told me about the nvidia, it went without any issues |
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| 23:09.44 | elik | sweetpi, trying 2.6.32-5 |
| 23:10.01 | elik | sweetpi, 2.6.32-3 booted |
| 23:10.14 | elik | sweetpi, all that on 686 |
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| 23:12.01 | qwd | The package freedoom says "conflicts: prboom" but the description says that "combined with any boom compatible Doom engine (such as prboom) this will result in a complete Free Doom-based game". Also it depends on boom-engine which isn't even in the repo. What's up with that? |
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| 23:12.46 | sweetpi | elik: I cant remember what version I originally had the problem, I think it was -3 though |
| 23:13.27 | dtcrshr | hello folks |
| 23:14.20 | themill | qwd: that's not what the conflicts line says. boom-engine is a virtual package. There's nothing wrong here that I can see. |
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| 23:15.47 | sweetpi | elik: like jhutchins_lt said though, some systems this fix just wont work. I've seen 2 of the exact same model boxes that 1 works the other doesnt. (very confusing) |
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| 23:18.25 | qwd | themill: oh, it's the < that does it huh? missed that one, thanks :) |
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| 23:22.05 | matu | good night |
| 23:24.24 | elik | sweetpi, yup, that's cool. I'll camp on -3 until there is a fix |
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| 23:27.02 | BrownNose | what is a good way to feel more at home when forced to use os x at work? |
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| 23:29.06 | seeds | BrownNose use terminal |
| 23:29.08 | sweetpi | BrownNose: ssh into a debian box and put it full-screen :) |
| 23:29.18 | cafuego | A virtual machine running Linux. |
| 23:29.23 | BrownNose | haha |
| 23:29.32 | BrownNose | meh, virtual machine makes me feel dirty |
| 23:29.41 | cafuego | dirties that OSX? |
| 23:29.53 | cafuego | dirtier than osx? |
| 23:30.23 | BrownNose | hmm, I know. i keep going back and forth about it |
| 23:30.29 | BrownNose | but if there was a better way |
| 23:30.42 | cafuego | Well, the Mac *can* just run Debian natively. |
| 23:30.56 | BrownNose | true, have to be on OS X, however |
| 23:31.07 | cafuego | Then yeah, I'd virtualise it. |
| 23:31.20 | BrownNose | was thinking about installing gnome but might as well just virtualize |
| 23:31.24 | cafuego | You get an actual debian system and you can alt-tab to OSX when the boss comes |
| 23:31.32 | BrownNose | haha |
| 23:31.42 | BrownNose | yeah, virtual machine it is |
| 23:32.02 | cafuego | I think that 95% of hackers at linux.conf.au have such a setup :-) |
| 23:32.48 | BrownNose | why would they have OS X installed? |
| 23:32.56 | purpleoptic | |
| 23:32.57 | jhutchins_lt | I know you can run X11 on it, and you can run most linux apps. |
| 23:33.34 | BrownNose | yes I am aware, but it's more the look and feel of aqua |
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| 23:34.04 | jhutchins_lt | Retheem it. |
| 23:34.21 | BrownNose | in Snow Leopard there isn't any way I am aware of anymore |
| 23:34.41 | BrownNose | there used to be theming apps |
| 23:35.32 | BrownNose | speaking of look and feel. can anyone recommend a good mail app that is small and compact unlike thunderbird |
| 23:36.18 | jhutchins_lt | alpine |
| 23:36.27 | jhutchins_lt | I like kmail though. |
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| 23:37.37 | BrownNose | using gnome, guess i'll check out alpine. unless kmail is ok in gnome? |
| 23:39.22 | jhutchins_lt | BrownNose: Dunno, no gnome here. |
| 23:39.34 | jhutchins_lt | alpine is console based but very nice. |
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| 23:39.57 | BrownNose | yeah, looking at it. looks ok, going to try it out |
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| 23:48.02 | BrownNose | here's the real issue. I want a mail that can have a unified IMAP inbox |
| 23:48.08 | BrownNose | mail client* |
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| 23:48.24 | BrownNose | i have tried balsa, claws mail, now alpine, thunderbird |
| 23:48.30 | BrownNose | no unified inbox :( |
| 23:48.38 | BrownNose | anyone know how to do this? |
| 23:48.47 | BrownNose | for IMAP |
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| 23:52.04 | coax | BrownNose how many inboxes do you have |
| 23:52.10 | coax | OoO |
| 23:52.20 | BrownNose | Three or four |
| 23:52.24 | BrownNose | emails |
| 23:52.54 | coax | well, maybe set up forwarding to the main one for those |
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| 23:53.13 | NOMADICUS | I downloaded the lenny i386 dvds. Now I am trying to figure out how to mount and add them to my sources. Everything I tryed failed. I am going to start over and try again, maybe a different approach. Do any of you have a suggestion? |
| 23:53.13 | BrownNose | thought about it, rather would not |
| 23:53.59 | jordanm | NOMADICUS: did you try apt-cdrom? |
| 23:54.23 | NOMADICUS | jordanm: Yes, but I failed horribly. |
| 23:54.55 | jordanm | NOMADICUS: how? |
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| 23:55.09 | jordanm | !tell NOMADICUS about errors |
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| 23:56.11 | NOMADICUS | NOMADICUS: I guess, I am being dramatic. Nothing happened nothing I tried was able to get synaptic to recognize the dvdz. |
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| 23:56.36 | jordanm | NOMADICUS: use aptitude |
| 23:56.54 | NOMADICUS | jordanm: Ok, I'll try that. |
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| 23:57.26 | wipt | hey there, I upgraded a zraid pool created on FreeBSD from v13 to v14, and since FBSD has had kernel locks when trying to mount/import. I've tried half a dozen distros of solaris that don't have drivers for my sata cards, along with several versions of FBSD that have the same errors. I installed the ZFS-Fuse 6.9 on debian 5 PPC, and it's not doing anything when I try to import... |
| 23:57.32 | wipt | debian:/dev/disk# zpool import -d /dev/disk/by-id/ njal |
| 23:57.34 | wipt | returns a \n and just sits there |
| 23:57.54 | cafuego | do you hate your life? |
| 23:58.03 | wipt | at times |
| 23:58.10 | NOMADICUS | jordanm: But I don't know how to use it. Does it have a gui? |
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| 23:58.53 | jordanm | NOMADICUS: did you run aptitude update after using apt-cdrom? |
| 23:59.41 | NOMADICUS | jordanm: No, I restarted because something locked up, and I have not mounted anything since I came back. |