| 00:00.05 | jordanm | it will mount it for you, provided its in /etc/fstab |
| 00:00.47 | jordanm | NOMADICUS: I am pretty sure you just do something like: "apt-cdrom add; aptitude update" |
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| 00:15.52 | NOMADICUS | jordanm: Ok, so here is what I've tried: http://pastebin.com/r53Q5YA9 |
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| 00:16.08 | NOMADICUS | I am missing something but I am not sure what. |
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| 00:28.23 | NOMADICUS | How do I reload the fstab? |
| 00:28.33 | LordV | well, something's not right... I did an update, now my x clipboard doesn't work. what should I check? |
| 00:28.34 | wipt | NOMADICUS: reload? |
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| 00:29.10 | NOMADICUS | If I change it do I have to restart for the changes to take effect? |
| 00:29.22 | karlpinc | NOMADICUS: No. |
| 00:29.32 | wipt | NOMADICUS: just save |
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| 00:29.37 | LordV | NOMADICUS: no, unmount what you were working on, then do a mount command like so: mount /new_mount_point; |
| 00:29.38 | NOMADICUS | Cool! |
| 00:29.40 | wipt | the system will use that to mount on boot |
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| 00:29.43 | LordV | without params, it will look in fstab |
| 00:29.48 | LordV | otherwise it will complain. |
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| 00:30.28 | LordV | NOMADICUS: but what wipt said is true, the system reads fstab at boot |
| 00:30.42 | karlpinc | Although, he wants an entry in fstab only because that's what apt-cdrom -d requires. If his dvd is not inserted at boot it will not automount. |
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| 00:31.50 | karlpinc | What I wonder is why NOMADICUS's dvd has a cd image on it that needs to be mounted loopback. I'd have thought that you could use the dvd images directly. |
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| 00:32.43 | LordV | im using an alternative window manager, ion3. it's kde friendly WRT fonts and systray apps... but all the fonts are significantly *smaller* under ion3 then kde, when nothing else changes. case in point is my irc client. :) any suggestions as to what might cause this? |
| 00:32.45 | NOMADICUS | karlpinc: Synaptic looks for a cd in the drive. It is still not working. |
| 00:33.14 | NOMADICUS | I just added this to my fstab: /media/Storage/Applications/'Operating System'/Debian/Debian/5.0.6/i386/DVD/debian-506-i386-DVD-1.iso /mnt/sources/debian/lenny/i386/dvd-1 iso9660 ro,loop,auto 0 0 |
| 00:33.28 | NOMADICUS | and still not recognizing it as a drive. |
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| 00:33.55 | nsadmin | LordV: the x client which is your window manager either selects the size of the font, or it does not, and uses the existing font |
| 00:34.12 | Bushmills | did you burn the dvd yourself? |
| 00:34.16 | txdv | is it possible to install some unstable packages on a stable machine, i really want to use the newest weechat |
| 00:34.33 | LordV | txdv: yes, using backports |
| 00:34.34 | karlpinc | txdv: Do you know about bpo and volatile? |
| 00:34.38 | nsadmin | existing font meaning whatever was selected at the time the window manager started running |
| 00:35.01 | LordV | nsadmin: yeah I get that. i'm trying to figure out... mebbe it's a DPI thing? |
| 00:35.38 | karlpinc | NOMADICUS: What are you really trying to do? Why do you have an iso file on a dvd instead of just burning the iso onto a cd as a filesystem? |
| 00:35.56 | nsadmin | does dpi apply to the x server, or to each x client separately? |
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| 00:38.25 | NOMADICUS | karlpinc: I do not want to burn a cd, I want to mount the iso and use it from there. I have downloaded all the Debian i386 dvds and I want to have access to the entire repositiory off line. I have the iso's on my external hard drive, and intend to write a script that mounts them all and adds them to my sources. I just have to figure out how to do this, then I can write the script to automate it |
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| 00:39.09 | int_80h | NOMADICUS if you extract them to a filesystem you can add that to your sources.list |
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| 00:39.49 | karlpinc | int_80h, NOMADICUS: Ok. Nothing wrong with mounting them loopback. |
| 00:39.54 | nsadmin | mounting them would also have them become a filesystem... there would be a separate deb line in sources.list per cd image mount |
| 00:40.25 | NOMADICUS | int_80h: That appears to be a potential solution. If I am not successful with this approach I will try that. |
| 00:40.33 | karlpinc | NOMADICUS: So, they are mounted loopback now, right? |
| 00:41.01 | int_80h | karlpinc i don't think adding a cdrom entry to sources.list will load the loopback module automatically |
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| 00:41.29 | nsadmin | NOMADICUS, I'm just curious... since you're here asking questions, are you actually willing to listen to what's coming back? |
| 00:41.45 | NOMADICUS | karlpinc: I read that I should do that from these tutorials: http://www.debianhelp.org/node/10486 , http://ubuntu.stackexchange.com/questions/4694/how-to-use-a-iso-image-as-a-cd-rom-repository , http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=9778 . |
| 00:41.54 | karlpinc | int_80h: No. But if he has them in fstab (which apt-cdrom requires) then they could automount on boot. (Or he can always type the mount command if the external drive is not mounted at boot.) |
| 00:42.12 | int_80h | well, whichever. what's the benefit to keeping them in ISO format? |
| 00:42.25 | karlpinc | NOMADICUS: Well, are you willing to tell me if they're mounted loopback right now? If not I can't help. |
| 00:42.46 | nsadmin | right, mounting an image is NOT the same as mounting a cdrom, and will NOT function the same way. a deb cdrom: entry is not appropriate for what you want. |
| 00:43.51 | NOMADICUS | karlpinc: I do not know, how do I find out? |
| 00:44.06 | karlpinc | int_80h: (You save on inodes? ;-) |
| 00:44.19 | karlpinc | NOMADICUS: You type "mount", and it says what's mounted. |
| 00:44.22 | NOMADICUS | karlpinc: here is the line in my fstab /media/Storage/Applications/'Operating System'/Debian/Debian/5.0.6/i386/DVD/debian-506-i386-DVD-1.iso /mnt/sources/debian/lenny/i386/dvd-1 iso9660 ro,loop,auto 0 0 |
| 00:45.33 | NOMADICUS | karlpinc: here is the result of mount: /dev/loop0 on /mnt/sources/debian/lenny/i386/dvd-1 type iso9660 (rw) |
| 00:46.18 | karlpinc | nsadmin: I don't know a whole lot about the cdrom scheme. The whole point is that it manages media swapping? |
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| 00:47.01 | nsadmin | thats how I understand it too |
| 00:47.08 | karlpinc | NOMADICUS: Just to double check your fstab entry, try unmounting and remounting with: umount /mnt/sources/debian/lenny/i386/dvd-1 ; mount /mnt/sources/debian/lenny/i386/dvd-1 |
| 00:47.41 | dhaivat | Hello everyone. I need a very, very cheap desktop (under $50 preferably), all it needs to do, is have a CD drive and a working ethernet port. That's it. What should I be looking at? (any websites or something?) |
| 00:47.49 | dhaivat | It can be as old as you like. |
| 00:47.51 | nsadmin | that's why it's not appropriate when the images are mounted, for that case there is no swaping |
| 00:48.04 | gnarface | dhaivat: ebay |
| 00:48.17 | nsadmin | dumpster diving! |
| 00:48.19 | NOMADICUS | karlpinc: is not in the fstab? |
| 00:48.22 | int_80h | dhaivat: ebay |
| 00:48.38 | karlpinc | NOMADICUS: Then mount should again say it's mounted. Meanwhile, you don't seem to need a cdrom entry in /etc/apt/sources.list. You want to use "file" instead of "cdrom". Perhaps pasting your sources.list would help if you don't know what it should look like. |
| 00:48.51 | LordV | my middle click isn't working to paste. whats an X app that reports keypresses? |
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| 00:49.02 | int_80h | you need a cdrom entry if you want it to automount.. |
| 00:49.08 | int_80h | LordV: xev |
| 00:49.10 | nsadmin | xev |
| 00:49.13 | karlpinc | NOMADICUS: Then you've a typo either in what you're typing or in your fstab. |
| 00:49.32 | nsadmin | int_80h: if it's physically on a cdrom |
| 00:49.36 | karlpinc | int_80h: It should automount already because it's in fstab. |
| 00:49.37 | dhaivat | int_80h: gnarface: will my computer ever reach me if I use ebay? I've heard pretty bad things about it. |
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| 00:50.01 | int_80h | ok then.. |
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| 00:50.30 | int_80h | nsadmin,karlpinc: if you want mount to get called, you need cdrom. that was my understanding |
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| 00:50.41 | nsadmin | not for an image |
| 00:50.45 | int_80h | dhaivat: look for reputable sellers with good feedback. i've never been ripped off |
| 00:50.50 | nsadmin | this is an image, not a physical cdrom |
| 00:51.11 | int_80h | so you put file: and apt will mount it with the loopback option ? |
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| 00:51.15 | int_80h | how does it know to do that? |
| 00:51.20 | NOMADICUS | karlpinc: karlpinc: http://pastebin.com/15Hw6xtu |
| 00:51.21 | nsadmin | the cdrom entries mean that you want to remove one cdrom and insert the one called for |
| 00:51.50 | dhaivat | int_80h: does this look like it might work: http://cgi.ebay.com/Dell-Dimension-E310-Desktop-PC-keyboard-and-mouse-/250701261878?pt=Desktop_PCs&hash=item3a5ef5ac36 |
| 00:51.57 | nsadmin | int_80h, you're not following the discussion, that was answered already |
| 00:52.25 | int_80h | nsadmin: sorry. there are three people going now, i can just shut up (: |
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| 00:53.11 | gnarface | dhaivat: i just keep a closet full of decade-old discarded pc parts donated by friends who would have otherwise thrown them away after upgrading. old dells make good linux boxes |
| 00:53.24 | int_80h | dhaivat: that member only has one feedback rating. if you're worried about being ripped off, pick someone with more |
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| 00:56.10 | nsadmin | int_80h the basic deal is this... if you put cdrom:... in sources.list, it means "go to the one cdrom drive, mount whatever you find there, use that, and then unmount so that it can be removed" |
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| 00:56.29 | karlpinc | int_80h: He does not need tomount when apt is invoked, it's all on a hard drive an no media swapping is necessay. |
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| 00:56.33 | lolufail | hi! |
| 00:57.02 | LordVorp | hey thanks for the tip about xev. I confirmed my system is SEEING the middle-click for pasting, I have to assume my WM is misconfigured. |
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| 00:57.23 | lolufail | how do I find out which /dev/sd? device "ata18" is? |
| 00:58.18 | txdv | txdv: Do you know about bpo and volatile? No, but ill google that up |
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| 00:58.35 | txdv | i just needed some keywoards karlpinc |
| 00:58.58 | karlpinc | NOMADICUS: All your sources are ubuntu. If you're running ubuntu you need to ask them how their system works, we might tell you something wrong. |
| 00:58.58 | stew | LordVorp: where are you middle clicking? |
| 00:59.21 | karlpinc | txdv: type "/msg dpkg bpo" and "/msg dpkg volatile" in your irc client. |
| 00:59.25 | dondelelcaro | lolufail: dmesg will generally tell you |
| 00:59.27 | NOMADICUS | int_80h: How do I extract the dvds to a file system? |
| 00:59.51 | dondelelcaro | NOMADICUS: you don't; you loopback mount them |
| 01:00.22 | NOMADICUS | karlpinc: I don't want to use Ubuntu anymore. I am going to migrate to Debian soon. |
| 01:01.24 | karlpinc | NOMADICUS: In any case "man sources.list" has an example file line. (I'd guess "file:/mnt/sources/debian/lenny/i386/dvd-1 stable main" would do.) |
| 01:01.28 | nsadmin | int_80h, it's possible to have the images mounted exactly as if they are disk partitions, and if you do that, they are available -simultaneously- without swapping anything, so at that point file:... would be more appropriate. it does not mount them because they are (expected to be) already mounted |
| 01:01.56 | karlpinc | NOMADICUS: I'm not sure there's a "migration" path, other than saving your /home directory and doing an install. |
| 01:02.08 | karlpinc | NOMADICUS: Someone else might know more. |
| 01:02.08 | jpinx | what's the best way to get out of a frozen aptitude install ? |
| 01:02.18 | NOMADICUS | karlpinc: That is what I intend to do. |
| 01:02.46 | NOMADICUS | karlpinc: I am not going to press this issue any further. I will try again after I have migrated. Thanks for the help though. |
| 01:02.57 | lolufail | dondelelcaro: where? |
| 01:03.09 | txdv | karlpinc: thanks |
| 01:03.14 | karlpinc | NOMADICUS: At this point you should have something that works, but it will break your system if you try to install lenny stuff. That's my bet. |
| 01:03.26 | dondelelcaro | lolufail: when it detected whatever ata18 is |
| 01:03.48 | NOMADICUS | karlpinc: HAHAHA! I'm sick of this system anyway! |
| 01:03.54 | lolufail | dondelelcaro: but I have 12x the same drive in there, it just shows the model number |
| 01:04.09 | int_80h | nsadmin, i'm familiar with mounting iso images. i was explaining that adding file: will NOT do that. i assumed perhaps cdrom would |
| 01:04.09 | lolufail | dondelelcaro: [ 7.786432] ata15.00: ATA-7: SAMSUNG HD154UI, 1AG01118, max UDMA7 |
| 01:04.16 | LordVorp | slew: I'm middle clicking in xterm, to paste |
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| 01:04.24 | dondelelcaro | lolufail: so use smartctl or similar to show the serial number |
| 01:04.27 | lolufail | dondelelcaro: but then: [ 7.812776] sd 14:0:0:0: [sdm] 2930277168 512-byte logical blocks: (1.50 TB/1.36 TiB) |
| 01:04.33 | dondelelcaro | lolufail: or you can read specifically that device if you're not sure |
| 01:04.41 | lolufail | is sd N == ata N+1 ? |
| 01:05.14 | nsadmin | not necessarily no |
| 01:05.33 | dondelelcaro | lolufail: cat /dev/sdm; should cause the device to light up if you want to know, but it depends on how things were detected, etc. |
| 01:05.33 | NOMADICUS | karlpinc: At least I got to learn about the fstab and sources.list. |
| 01:05.53 | dondelelcaro | lolufail: generally, they're numbered in some logical fashion, but it's not necessarily the case |
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| 01:06.08 | lolufail | dondelelcaro: I dont wanna find the hardware, I already found it by pulling plugs ;) |
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| 01:06.17 | dondelelcaro | lolufail: so what are you trying to do? |
| 01:06.25 | lolufail | I just wanna find the corresponding /dev/sdc or something so I can kick it out of the raid |
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| 01:07.09 | dondelelcaro | lolufail: that's why you read the device to see which hardware lights up or similar. |
| 01:07.34 | dondelelcaro | lolufail: if you don't have the hardware plugged in anymore, it's not a device (or it'll be a device which is marked as failed in the raid array) |
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| 01:08.14 | Tprice | can anyone help me with mrtg? |
| 01:08.20 | lolufail | oh right |
| 01:08.30 | lolufail | @first. but it's plugged back in now |
| 01:08.31 | nsadmin | !ask |
| 01:08.31 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 01:08.41 | lolufail | if I rip it our and leave it there, the kernel can't handle it ;) |
| 01:08.44 | lolufail | but a few seconds is okay |
| 01:08.52 | lolufail | mdadm handles the outage |
| 01:08.57 | Tprice | lol |
| 01:09.13 | lolufail | that's the way _real_ men find their hardware ;) |
| 01:09.20 | Tprice | im running lenny and im trying to get mrtg running |
| 01:09.26 | Tprice | i keep getting this erroe |
| 01:09.27 | Tprice | Use of uninitialized value $first in hash element at /usr/bin/indexmaker line 353. |
| 01:09.40 | nsadmin | sounds like a perl message |
| 01:10.03 | Tprice | after this command |
| 01:10.03 | Tprice | indexmaker --output=/var/www/mrtg/index.html /etc/mrtg/mrtg.cfg |
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| 01:12.13 | LinuxGuy2009 | The touchpad on my dell mini is acting strange. The vertical movement is normal but the horizintal movement is slower. Do I need to install a package to get it to work correctly or change something? |
| 01:13.11 | Tprice | humm |
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| 01:16.38 | LordVorp | Tprice: what's the *problem*, other than that warning. |
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| 01:17.30 | LordVorp | Tprice: that's a warning that something came back with no answer. is index.html not being created? |
| 01:17.36 | LordVorp | Tprice: do you ahve the right community? |
| 01:17.59 | stew | LordVorp: your window manager should have nothing to do with how an xterm interprets a middle click |
| 01:18.03 | Tprice | im using public |
| 01:18.13 | Tprice | and the index page is there |
| 01:18.26 | Tprice | but no graphs |
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| 01:19.38 | LordV | slew: I just switched from nomachine free server to neatx. i'm having issues with it. right now, it wont' paste the X selection, and i"m dealing with all the sections in order to try & narrow that down. |
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| 01:21.42 | LordV | and i'm not *SURE* it's neatx. |
| 01:22.08 | LordV | testing w/ xev shows that the middle click keypress is reaching the X session. |
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| 01:24.36 | LordV | but i'm still not getting my pastes. <sigh> |
| 01:25.28 | mjmt | You mean ButtonPress right? |
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| 01:27.04 | LordV | yes. |
| 01:27.07 | mjmt | k |
| 01:27.25 | LordV | whatever event makes middle-click (button-press, mouse3, whatever) paste in xterm... is doing nada for me now. |
| 01:27.51 | LordV | I'm *good* at linux *systems*. :) gui, not so much. |
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| 01:28.13 | Tprice | oh and line 353 is my $host = $$rcfg{host}{$first}; |
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| 01:30.19 | nsadmin | so $rcfg is a reference to a hash which has a key called host whose value is a reference to a hash which has a key stored in $first with a non-undef value |
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| 01:30.35 | nsadmin | if it's anything but that, would be a semantic error |
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| 01:33.17 | LordV | Tprice: sounds like it's not getting a value where it's expecting one, first guess is, list of ports. since it's not obvious, i'd STFW for: indexmaker 353 uninitialized. |
| 01:33.39 | LordV | ... which gets a ton of hits. |
| 01:33.49 | LordV | Tprice: yw. ;-) |
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| 01:44.35 | Tprice | humm |
| 01:44.36 | LordV | geeze this is driving me nuts. I selects fine. xclip shows it working. but it won't paste on middle-click |
| 01:44.43 | LordV | s/I/it/ |
| 01:44.47 | LordV | Tprice: ? |
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| 01:48.43 | Tprice | ? |
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| 01:49.35 | LordV | search on google for: indexmaker 353 uninitialized |
| 01:50.02 | Tprice | lol thats all iv been doing |
| 01:50.05 | Tprice | not much about it |
| 01:51.28 | gnarface | !versions zsnes |
| 01:51.33 | gnarface | !version zsnes |
| 01:51.40 | gnarface | ,version zsnes |
| 01:51.52 | gnarface | hmm |
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| 01:52.07 | gnarface | dpkg zsnes? |
| 01:52.07 | dpkg | ZSNES is an emulator of the Super Nintendo Entertainment System. Source released under the GNU GPL on April 2nd 2001. Not portable to non-i386 architectures due to it being 67.2004% i386 assembly. For difficulties involving audio, ask me about <zsnes sound>. http://zsnes-docs.sf.net/html/faq.htm http://zsnes.com/ #zsnes on irc.freenode.net. See also <snes9x>. |
| 01:52.34 | dundee | Anyone have Debian installed on Dell Studio? |
| 01:52.58 | dundee | I am having problems with intel graphics driver |
| 01:53.48 | LordV | Tprice: oooohhh. it's all the same issue and the same guy complaining. can u nopaste your mrtg.cfg? |
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| 01:55.50 | dundee | Can anyone help me with intel graphics driver on Dell Studio? |
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| 01:59.05 | Tprice | yeah ill have it up in a second |
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| 01:59.55 | dundee | Can anyone help me with intel graphics driver on Dell Studio? |
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| 02:03.52 | Tprice | http://pastebin.com/A16XPdJJ |
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| 02:08.08 | Tprice | what should my mrtg.cfg look like |
| 02:08.17 | Tprice | should it have any # in it? |
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| 02:12.45 | Tprice | well i give up |
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| 02:23.33 | innociv | My server was compromised, svwar svcrack running on them. I may of gotten my system back, but I think these are being started automatically. How do I find and remove them? I'm trying to avoid reformating. :| |
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| 02:24.31 | zinx | innociv: uh, reinstalling is the only real option |
| 02:24.50 | innociv | alright. |
| 02:25.01 | elik | You should probably never trust a compromised system |
| 02:25.06 | zinx | innociv: and if you want to be safe about it, replace your bios with one flashed properly too.... |
| 02:25.12 | zinx | (via a different machine) |
| 02:25.13 | elik | feel lucky you found out it was compromised at all |
| 02:25.47 | elik | a good rootkit would just not show in process reporting tools |
| 02:25.47 | zinx | 'course everything has firmware these days, can't really be safe enough :/ |
| 02:26.40 | innociv | zinx, why would that matter if I'm reformating? |
| 02:26.55 | innociv | Or are you saying linux could be installed overtop instead of freshly?.. |
| 02:27.15 | zinx | innociv: uhm, because reformatting doesn't correct any firmware, only flashing new firmware does, and you can't be sure the running firmware will actually flash your changes :/ |
| 02:27.31 | innociv | Ok. |
| 02:27.42 | tehrabbitt-1 | what do I need to install to setup console? |
| 02:27.51 | tehrabbitt-1 | so I can see what my server is doing via serial port? |
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| 02:28.12 | zinx | basically, compromised system = game over. if you don't care about people crafty enough to hack your bios/hard drive/cd drive/network card/etc firmware, you can reinstall. |
| 02:28.21 | zinx | otherwise, time for a new computer :P |
| 02:29.12 | karlpinc | tehrabbitt: You need to read /usr/share/doc/linux-doc-2.6.26/Documentation/serial-console.txt.gz, which is in the linux-doc-2.6.26 (or whatever) package. |
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| 02:30.48 | karlpinc | tehrabbitt: And install minicom on the box used for a serial console. |
| 02:31.36 | tehrabbitt | karlpinc: well I have minicom on my laptop (the machine i'm going to use to console into the server) but I can't seem to get it to connect to the server.. |
| 02:32.31 | innociv | This sucks |
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| 02:33.24 | karlpinc | tehrabbitt: You also need to configure grub (info grub) for serial control if you want to control the boot process. |
| 02:33.38 | laurus | How do I find out what version of the Linux kernel is included with Debian sid? |
| 02:33.53 | tehrabbitt | I basically only want to see why my system is hanging up randomly with no response via ping / ssh |
| 02:34.02 | tehrabbitt | it's a headless machine and I can't connect an LCD to it |
| 02:34.12 | karlpinc | tehrabbitt: Serial is annoying. Start with 8 bits no parity no hardware or software flow control. |
| 02:34.19 | tehrabbitt | aight |
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| 02:35.10 | karlpinc | tehrabbitt: You can also cat to the serial port and see if shows up on the serial console, etc. You probably need a null-modem cable too. |
| 02:35.37 | tehrabbitt | karlpinc: have the null-modem adapter plugged into the cable, cable is connected to ttyS0, and it's configured in minicom |
| 02:35.58 | karlpinc | tehrabbitt: And does minicom say there's a connection? |
| 02:36.10 | tehrabbitt | it says "offline" |
| 02:36.25 | tehrabbitt | so no :-\ |
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| 02:37.02 | tehrabbitt | hm how can i see if md is rebuilding a raid1 array? i think that might be why it's hanging |
| 02:37.03 | karlpinc | tehrabbitt: Out of curiousity, is a getty running on the headless box on the serial port? |
| 02:37.16 | tehrabbitt | not sure how to see if getty is in fact running |
| 02:37.27 | karlpinc | tehrabbitt: lenny? |
| 02:37.33 | tehrabbitt | yes |
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| 02:37.49 | tehrabbitt | md2_resync is at 80% cpu load :-\ |
| 02:38.03 | karlpinc | tehrabbitt: likely /etc/inittab, but really ps ax. |
| 02:38.15 | tehrabbitt | perhaps the power outage I had caused one of the drives in the mirrored array to go out of sync and it's having a hard time to remirror them? |
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| 02:38.34 | tehrabbitt | 3451 tty1 Ss+ 0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty1 |
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| 02:40.00 | tehrabbitt | also, how can I check using mdadm the status of my RAID arrays? |
| 02:40.05 | karlpinc | tehrabbitt: mdadm -Qs perhaps, just a guess. |
| 02:40.31 | innociv | well.. I backed upmysql databse, lighttpd config, php config, mysql config, iptables. I guess that should be it.. :( |
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| 02:41.11 | dondelelcaro | innociv: you can also take an image of the drive if you've got space |
| 02:41.11 | karlpinc | innociv: keep a tarfile of /etc/ /var/ /usr/local and /home, just in case. |
| 02:41.24 | dondelelcaro | innociv: that way you can resurrect anything that is missing if you have to |
| 02:41.37 | dondelelcaro | innociv: but you don't want to blindly restore any of the configuration without looking at them specifically |
| 02:41.50 | innociv | Hm.. how would I create a tarfile and move it to my http directory to download it easily? |
| 02:41.58 | innociv | Yeah, just restore the config text. |
| 02:42.22 | dondelelcaro | innociv: you need to read the configs too |
| 02:42.32 | innociv | Yeah |
| 02:42.40 | tehrabbitt | so how can I confirm getty is running? |
| 02:42.42 | karlpinc | tehrabbitt: So there's a getty so minicom should get a login prompt. You can, by the way, run minicom on both ends, or just cat and echo on either end too. |
| 02:42.50 | dondelelcaro | (it's super easy to sneak a backdoor into many config files) |
| 02:42.57 | tehrabbitt | hm |
| 02:43.00 | dondelelcaro | tehrabbitt: pgrep getty |
| 02:43.18 | karlpinc | tehrabbitt: ps says there's on on tty1 |
| 02:43.18 | innociv | how do i check the size of those folders? |
| 02:43.18 | tehrabbitt | yea :-\ it's running, but idk why minicom won't run |
| 02:43.20 | tehrabbitt | it says it's running on tty1 through tty6 |
| 02:43.25 | dondelelcaro | tehrabbitt: you've got it running on the ttyS? |
| 02:43.39 | karlpinc | dondelelcaro: *doh* |
| 02:43.42 | tehrabbitt | Yes. |
| 02:43.45 | tehrabbitt | ttyS0 |
| 02:43.49 | dondelelcaro | tehrabbitt: and you'll have better luck using screen instead of minicom, unless you're trying to use a modem |
| 02:43.57 | tehrabbitt | screen? |
| 02:44.17 | dondelelcaro | tehrabbitt: yes. screen /dev/ttyS0 38400; or whatever is appropriate on the machine hooked to the ttyS0 that is running getty |
| 02:44.43 | tehrabbitt | aight. |
| 02:44.52 | tehrabbitt | and it *should* be a null modem cable right? |
| 02:45.22 | tehrabbitt | yea, i hit enter several times after the screen command, nothing |
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| 02:46.38 | tehrabbitt | maybe the serial port on this laptop isn't the right one or something? |
| 02:46.54 | karlpinc | tehrabbitt: Or your baud rate is way off, or.... |
| 02:47.10 | tehrabbitt | ? |
| 02:47.33 | karlpinc | tehrabbitt: stty < /dev/ttyS0 |
| 02:47.46 | karlpinc | tehrabbitt: That should give you the current settings. |
| 02:48.14 | karlpinc | tehrabbitt: There's half a dozen knobs to frob on a serial port, the baud rate being the "speed". |
| 02:48.44 | johni | hello everybody, how can I determine what internal process is running on a network port? |
| 02:48.56 | tehrabbitt | speed 38400 baud; line = 0; |
| 02:49.11 | karlpinc | tehrabbitt: And on the other box? |
| 02:49.14 | dondelelcaro | tehrabbitt: so you have machine A com1 connected to machine B com0, right? |
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| 02:49.25 | dondelelcaro | tehrabbitt: which machine is running getty and which is running screen? |
| 02:49.30 | tehrabbitt | laptop is running screen |
| 02:49.34 | tehrabbitt | server is running getty |
| 02:49.37 | karlpinc | johni: fuser |
| 02:49.47 | dondelelcaro | tehrabbitt: on the machine which is running getty, what is the output of ps axfu|grep ttyS0? |
| 02:50.14 | dondelelcaro | tehrabbitt: and this laptop has a serial port? [Not a usb dongle?] |
| 02:50.18 | tehrabbitt | ps axfu|grep ttyS0 |
| 02:50.24 | tehrabbitt | root 3670 0.0 0.0 5164 776 pts/0 S+ 22:51 0:00 \_ grep ttyS0 |
| 02:50.25 | tehrabbitt | root 3648 0.0 0.0 24816 1196 ? Ss 22:47 0:00 SCREEN /dev/ttyS0 |
| 02:50.30 | tehrabbitt | Yes, it has a real serial port |
| 02:50.49 | dondelelcaro | tehrabbitt: uh... that's the laptop, not the server |
| 02:50.56 | tehrabbitt | i ran that on the server |
| 02:51.02 | tehrabbitt | i tried running the screen command from the server by accident |
| 02:51.05 | dondelelcaro | tehrabbitt: then you're not running getty on the server |
| 02:51.22 | dondelelcaro | tehrabbitt: if you ran it on the server, then you need to stop it |
| 02:51.23 | tehrabbitt | then why did it show up when i ran that command before? |
| 02:51.41 | dondelelcaro | tehrabbitt: because you just asked if you were running getty, not if it was running on the serial port |
| 02:51.41 | tehrabbitt | ps aux |grep getty shows it's running on tty1 through tty6 |
| 02:51.46 | tehrabbitt | as well as pts/0 |
| 02:51.48 | dondelelcaro | tehrabbitt: yes, which isn't ttyS |
| 02:51.54 | tehrabbitt | ah |
| 02:51.58 | tehrabbitt | so how do I get it running on ttyS |
| 02:52.07 | dondelelcaro | tehrabbitt: you need to edit /etc/inittab; uncomment the line, change the baud rate to something reasonable, and then telinit q |
| 02:52.07 | karlpinc | tehrabbitt: See the commented out lines in /etc/inittab. |
| 02:52.23 | dondelelcaro | suggests 57600 or similar |
| 02:52.26 | tehrabbitt | ah. |
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| 02:53.08 | tehrabbitt | vt100 is fine? |
| 02:53.22 | tehrabbitt | once i put it in inittab, i'm guessing reboot? |
| 02:53.47 | karlpinc | is at times fond of 9600, for when scrollback is not an option. (of course with screen that's not an issue, if you're screen-savvy.) |
| 02:54.01 | karlpinc | tehrabbitt: That's what the "telinit q" is for. |
| 02:54.08 | tehrabbitt | ah |
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| 02:54.34 | tehrabbitt | yep getty is running on ttyS0 now |
| 02:54.54 | tehrabbitt | plugs in serial cable now and opens minicom :-D |
| 02:54.57 | aarcane | ctrl+a -> Esc -> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ to scroll back in screen to before he accidentally closed the tab |
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| 02:58.30 | karlpinc | dondelelcaro: (Reminds me of http://groups.google.com/group/gnu.misc.discuss/browse_thread/thread/c9d06a2bcbf138cf/39875fefacb65a3b I can't wait for someone to try it and see the result.) |
| 02:58.47 | tehrabbitt | well minicom says it's "online" but now pressing enter just gives gibberish heh |
| 02:58.54 | tehrabbitt | if anything at all |
| 02:58.58 | dsockwell | bud |
| 02:59.01 | dsockwell | baud |
| 02:59.03 | tehrabbitt | if I do screen /dev/ttyS0 same thing |
| 02:59.09 | karlpinc | tehrabbitt: Good news. Your baud rate is likely off. |
| 02:59.09 | dondelelcaro | tehrabbitt: use screen instead, and specify the baud rate. |
| 02:59.19 | dondelelcaro | tehrabbitt: so screen /dev/ttyS0 57600; |
| 02:59.40 | dondelelcaro | screen is far superior to minicom unless you're actually driving a modem |
| 03:00.04 | karlpinc | dondelelcaro: (or need xmodem et-al) |
| 03:00.06 | tehrabbitt | yea, i'm still getting weird "?" symbols |
| 03:00.16 | johni | karlpinc, I am not sure how I can use fuser? |
| 03:00.18 | dondelelcaro | tehrabbitt: press return a few times |
| 03:00.38 | tehrabbitt | I've pressed it almost 20-30 times adn for every 5-6 times i get one "?" mark inside a diamond |
| 03:00.44 | johni | karlpinc, all what I know is that a process is opening a port ... trying to find that process |
| 03:00.49 | laurus | How do I find out what version of the Linux kernel is included with Debian sid? |
| 03:00.50 | karlpinc | johni: You tell it the port and the protocol (something like tcp/25) and it tells you the process id. |
| 03:00.55 | dondelelcaro | tehrabbitt: do you have more than one screen running? did you kill off screen on the server |
| 03:01.04 | tehrabbitt | ah no i didn't |
| 03:01.33 | tehrabbitt | and awesome, server went unstable and locked up again :( time for a reboot |
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| 03:02.04 | tehrabbitt | at least i guess i'm starting fressh lol |
| 03:02.09 | qq- | laurus, .32 |
| 03:02.12 | johni | karlpinc, thanks |
| 03:02.20 | dondelelcaro | tehrabbitt: you'll probably want to fix your server to use a serial console as well |
| 03:02.22 | laurus | qq-, when do they usually upgrade the kernel? |
| 03:02.40 | tehrabbitt | dondelelcaro: whole point of using the serial console is to determine why my server is not working right |
| 03:02.40 | tehrabbitt | lol |
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| 03:02.43 | dondelelcaro | laurus: we'll be releasing with .32, so it won't be upgraded to a new major revision for a while |
| 03:02.47 | karlpinc | has not the discipline to learn how to configure screen. It was bad enough getting rid of the ctrl-a. Someday I'll have the patience. |
| 03:02.52 | dondelelcaro | tehrabbitt: you haven't finished configuring it |
| 03:03.02 | tehrabbitt | ? |
| 03:03.06 | laurus | dondelelcaro, I was curious because the laptop I want to get at some point seems to not work with anything below 2.6.34/2.6.35 |
| 03:03.33 | tehrabbitt | ��� |
| 03:03.33 | tehrabbitt | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:03.35 | dondelelcaro | laurus: there may be a revision going into experimental; I think kmuto may also have updated kernels which you could get to work |
| 03:03.38 | karlpinc | tehrabbitt: He means that you want the kernel to log to the serial port as the console. See my original remark above. |
| 03:03.44 | dondelelcaro | tehrabbitt: you need to set up the kernel to use a serial console too |
| 03:03.44 | laurus | dondelelcaro, what is experimental? |
| 03:03.51 | dondelelcaro | !experimental |
| 03:03.51 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
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| 03:04.05 | tehrabbitt | ohh |
| 03:04.44 | karlpinc | tehrabbitt: And while you're at it, get grub (etc) to use the serial port too so you've full control. |
| 03:05.03 | laurus | Ah, I see |
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| 03:05.14 | karlpinc | tehrabbitt: After that, it's up to the bios as to whether you can access it over the serial port. |
| 03:05.18 | dondelelcaro | tehrabbitt: this will be something like "console=tty0 console=ttyS0,57600" into /boot/grub/menu.lst, and something like serial --unit=0 --speed=57600\nterminal --timeout=20 serial console |
| 03:05.21 | laurus | I guess I'll just wait until 2.6.35 makes it into sid before changing laptops :P |
| 03:05.30 | dondelelcaro | laurus: or that |
| 03:05.39 | laurus | :) Thanks for the info! |
| 03:05.50 | dondelelcaro | laurus: kmuto may have updated kernels if you decide you can't wait, though; no problem |
| 03:05.57 | laurus | What is kmuto? |
| 03:06.05 | karlpinc | !kmuto |
| 03:06.05 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images. |
| 03:06.07 | tehrabbitt | 0_o i'm kinda getting a login prompt |
| 03:06.12 | tehrabbitt | though it's kinda screwed up looking |
| 03:06.31 | dondelelcaro | looks like he only has 2.6.32 |
| 03:06.49 | laurus | Well thanks for that link anyway, I will keep checking it |
| 03:06.55 | laurus | It's so hard to find laptops with 16:10 screens these days |
| 03:06.58 | karlpinc | tehrabbitt: If the baud rate matches on both sides and you've still problems, lower it. (You could also mess with hardware flow control, but why?) |
| 03:07.09 | tehrabbitt | it's at 9600 right now :-\ |
| 03:07.09 | laurus | I feel like I wouldn't have had this problem if people realized that 16:10 has a place |
| 03:07.22 | tehrabbitt | this is all I see |
| 03:07.25 | tehrabbitt | NU/Linux |
| 03:07.25 | dondelelcaro | tehrabbitt: if it's at 9600, then you need to use screen /dev/ttyS0 9600 |
| 03:07.39 | tehrabbitt | thats what i'm using for screen as well :-\ |
| 03:07.52 | dondelelcaro | tehrabbitt: and you only have one screen listening on the serial port? and minicom has stopped? |
| 03:08.05 | tehrabbitt | Yes. |
| 03:08.24 | dondelelcaro | tehrabbitt: and even if you hit return repeatedly, that's all you see? |
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| 03:09.01 | karlpinc | tehrabbitt: (And your cable is not loose? :) |
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| 03:09.27 | tehrabbitt | yea the cable is snug in there |
| 03:09.32 | tehrabbitt | yes that's all I see |
| 03:09.50 | dondelelcaro | tehrabbitt: and if you hit return, do you see a new line at all? |
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| 03:10.08 | tehrabbitt | nope |
| 03:10.13 | tehrabbitt | just repastes more of the same string |
| 03:10.16 | tehrabbitt | or "inncorrect' |
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| 03:13.42 | karlpinc | tehrabbitt: It's always the same output? (Sheesh, this is worse than being a little bit pregnant.) |
| 03:13.53 | tehrabbitt | lol yes it's always the same output pretty much |
| 03:14.06 | tehrabbitt | it's bits and pieces of the login prompt |
| 03:14.45 | karlpinc | tehrabbitt: ps ax |grep ttyS says there's only one process attached to the ttyS on each end? |
| 03:15.16 | tehrabbitt | nope 0_o |
| 03:15.33 | tehrabbitt | there's umm 8 "SCREEN /dev/ttyS0" connected to it |
| 03:15.34 | tehrabbitt | lol |
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| 03:16.32 | tehrabbitt | alright i've killed all the PIDs.. |
| 03:16.35 | tehrabbitt | gonna try it again |
| 03:19.21 | tehrabbitt | this is what i got: |
| 03:19.25 | tehrabbitt | ���'�����������:���'��������.�� |
| 03:19.53 | karlpinc | tehrabbitt: Baud rate again. |
| 03:20.01 | tehrabbitt | both sides are 9600 :-\ |
| 03:20.30 | karlpinc | tehrabbitt: 8 bit no parity? (use stty </dev/ttyS0 etc.) |
| 03:22.59 | tehrabbitt | why do I feel it shouldn't be this hard :-\ lol |
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| 03:26.09 | karlpinc | dondelelcaro: Thanks for the screen cluebat. I've been looking for a minicom replacement for some time. |
| 03:26.11 | tehrabbitt | getting warmer: thot |
| 03:26.12 | tehrabbitt | Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 thoth ttyS0 ] |
| 03:26.12 | tehrabbitt | Password: |
| 03:26.27 | peterrooney | . |
| 03:26.32 | karlpinc | tehrabbitt: What did you do differently? |
| 03:26.42 | peterrooney | any way to do that with a screen session that's already started? |
| 03:26.50 | tehrabbitt | kept baud at 9600 on server, set 56700 on screen |
| 03:27.09 | karlpinc | tehrabbitt: That's nuts. |
| 03:27.21 | tpocra | I have debian-multimedia on sid enabled, and my VLC shows 100% green video for my H.264 720p vids shot with my Canon camera |
| 03:27.21 | tehrabbitt | 0_o setting it at 115700 on client / 9600 on server works |
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| 03:27.33 | tehrabbitt | kinda slow but works |
| 03:27.43 | tpocra | is this VLC 1.1.3's fault or is it the packages (maybe decompression libraries?) in debian-multimedia's fault? |
| 03:27.45 | dondelelcaro | peterrooney: just run screen /dev/foo NNNN; from inside of screen |
| 03:27.47 | tpocra | plz halp |
| 03:28.31 | dondelelcaro | tpocra: could be anything; does it work with mplayer? |
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| 03:30.52 | tehrabbitt | and now nothing again :( |
| 03:31.47 | gnarface | oh ffs how hard can it be to package zsnes for amd64!? |
| 03:32.59 | dondelelcaro | gnarface: you're more than welcome to jump in and help out |
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| 03:33.21 | dondelelcaro | or you could just use snes9x |
| 03:33.59 | gnarface | dondelelcaro: i've been trying for 5 hours now but i'm apparently not qualified. considering the issues i've had with wine lately though (not directly related) i'm ready to blame it all on the ia32-libs package though. |
| 03:34.18 | dondelelcaro | gnarface: with snes9x? |
| 03:34.41 | gnarface | dondelelcaro: no with zsnes. snes9x is fine but i'm looking for a specific feature it doesn't have |
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| 03:35.02 | dondelelcaro | gnarface: ah, well, it wouldn't be the first time that something didn't work properly on amd64; zsnes is kind of dead upstream |
| 03:35.08 | dondelelcaro | gnarface: you can always run it in a chroot |
| 03:35.27 | magyarlatin | Hello everyone |
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| 03:37.46 | gnarface | dondelelcaro: the problem is when i google for the compilation errors at first i found fixes, but they're from last year and they worked apparently, but now i'm having compilation errors about missing packages that aren't missing |
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| 03:41.56 | Dewi | anyone know how to configure some geometries for vnc4server? |
| 03:42.12 | Dewi | it has fixes in the changelog for xrandr, so it must support it, but I can't figure out how to enable it |
| 03:42.17 | gnarface | dondelelcaro: ... it seems to be compiling now. wish me luck. btw- someone posted the patch i used to the debian bug tracker. the other issues appear to just be dependency issues. i can't figure out why someone hasn't just thrown it in |
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| 03:48.52 | gnarface | dondelelcaro: holy crap i got it. should i like... submit this somewhere or something? all i did was apply a patch that was attached to an open bug in debian and install a couple packages that took hours of googling to identify |
| 03:50.36 | gnarface | dondelelcaro: for someone who actually is an experienced package maintainer this should have been like a 5 minute job. i'm having trouble believing that the work hasn't been done already and is for some reason just sitting on a shelf somewhere instead of going into sid |
| 03:50.56 | karlpinc | gnarface: Submit a bug report saying what dependences need updating? |
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| 03:53.20 | karlpinc | gnarface: Or if they are build dependences attach it to the original bug report, or at least a note that the patch fixes the problem. (I don't know squat about build dependencies and packaging.) |
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| 03:56.17 | gnarface | karlpinc: the package doesn't even exist in amd64 though. |
| 03:59.31 | karlpinc | gnarface: I thought bugs were submitted against source packages? |
| 04:00.45 | karlpinc | gnarface: (Or just complain to snes9x that the feature does not exist. :) |
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| 04:03.46 | gnarface | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=402104 |
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| 04:04.52 | gnarface | the patch i used is attached to the 2nd to last post. someone else already confirmed that it worked. i had to install g++-multilib and for some reason RE install libc6-dev-i386 |
| 04:05.01 | gnarface | but then it worked for me too |
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| 04:08.19 | diazepam | hey all, can anyone give some advice on how to hot-image a live debian server? I have mysql running on it as a mail store database. |
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| 04:18.06 | karlpinc | diazepam: drdb and mdadm? |
| 04:18.46 | karlpinc | diazepam: Or lvm snapshots, and a msql db dump. |
| 04:19.45 | karlpinc | s/msql/mysql/ |
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| 04:33.46 | diazepam | KarlPinc - mdadm |
| 04:34.03 | diazepam | i have another server her with LVM but its running ubuntu |
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| 05:09.33 | tehrabbitt | anyone who was here last night who knew about my random reboots / lockups... It turns out the RAM I upgraded was BAD... so it's RMA time to Kingston :-p lol... thank god for lifetime warrantees. |
| 05:12.04 | diazepam | #join /zarrafa |
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| 05:12.11 | diazepam | whoops |
| 05:12.23 | diazepam | sorry |
| 05:12.31 | Nashenas | lol |
| 05:12.43 | Nashenas | swap the # and / |
| 05:13.07 | diazepam | yeah, ill still wouldnt get there as I spelt the channel wrong! zarafa not zarrafa |
| 05:13.09 | diazepam | ;) |
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| 05:17.01 | dadrian | hello, i get a kernel error every few minutes, any ideea what could be the cause ? http://pastebin.com/76i5u6R6 |
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| 05:23.59 | peterrooney | dadrian: maybe you've got a metric tonne of open SMTP connections? |
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| 05:26.16 | tehrabbitt | quick question, what would cause my RAID1 to have to resync every reboot? i'm guessing the drives don't match up 100% because I unplugged the machine improperly aka perhaps a partial write? |
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| 05:26.58 | jpinx-eeepc | mjmt: not sure if fail2ban mght work for you |
| 05:27.25 | peterrooney | mjmt: two approaches: (i) move to a different port (ii) aptitude install denyhosts |
| 05:27.55 | mjmt | Thanks! Think I'll do both. |
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| 05:28.05 | peterrooney | NOBODY has attempted to brute force our mail server since we moved off port 22 |
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| 05:29.33 | peterrooney | cahoot: now i feel like an idiot. (iii) ssh-keygen |
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| 05:35.43 | dadrian | peterrooney: doesn't seem to be the case, gonna reboot it now just in case |
| 05:37.34 | Arrowmaster | so i just ran into a little issue but was able to solve it one way but its not the ideal way |
| 05:38.49 | Arrowmaster | a server just got moved to a different host and its ssh key changed, default on debian is to hash ~/.ssh/known_hosts, what can i do to replace the old entry with the new one if i didnt happen to have the old hosts pub key to find it and remove it from ~/.ssh/known_hosts |
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| 06:00.50 | gnarface | Subdolus: google for X11 forwarding over ssh |
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| 06:02.40 | jpinx-eeepc | Subdolus: works a treat once you get all the configuring done |
| 06:03.01 | jpinx-eeepc | Subdolus: beware the speed of your connection ;) |
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| 06:06.04 | martian67 | how do i check if dmix is enabled |
| 06:06.05 | martian67 | ? |
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| 06:15.56 | dadrian | martian67: u read http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Dmix ? seems to explain it pretty well |
| 06:16.38 | martian67 | yes, but i need output on weither its enabled or not |
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| 06:17.50 | Subdolus | gnarface, jpinx-eeepc I mean completely console. no X |
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| 06:23.09 | gnarface | Subdolus: one of us must be confused about exactly what it is you're trying to do, because that sounds like what ssh does by default |
| 06:23.48 | jpinx-eeepc | Subdolus: what's the difference between a terminal, console and X ? |
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| 06:26.22 | dadrian | Subdolus: u refer to a serial console maybe ? |
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| 06:31.53 | gnarface | maybe he's trying to disable gdm |
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| 06:53.12 | jelly-home | !qotd0 |
| 06:53.13 | dpkg | <trueno> Hi! Is there any good substitute for MS WebExpression in Linux? <Supaplex> it wastes money. sorry, linux doesn't have a lot to offer there. |
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| 07:02.36 | Joint | can someone help me out with this error http://pastebin.ca/1951634 |
| 07:03.48 | SlayerXP | Joint: I don't think I can help, but I would suggest to stop messing around with mixed architecture. |
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| 07:04.00 | SlayerXP | there's really no reason for it nowadays |
| 07:04.07 | Joint | well right, |
| 07:04.37 | SlayerXP | if you think you need it, the chances are you're doing something wrong. |
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| 07:07.00 | Joint | SlayerXP, is there any way to fix this mess up? |
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| 07:13.08 | k1ng | XBOX 360 S DIED ON ME :( |
| 07:13.36 | Joint | congrats |
| 07:13.36 | Joint | lol |
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| 07:24.56 | gigglefight | need the skinny on how to create documents that have debian-terminal-like-font words/codes in a box. |
| 07:25.33 | gigglefight | within a document; I'm using OpenOffice. thanks! |
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| 07:26.45 | Dewi | gigglefight: make a style with paragraph indent and border, and any monospace font you like |
| 07:27.17 | mjmt | Modd ftw! |
| 07:28.47 | gigglefight | :) thanks Dewi! |
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| 07:29.46 | gigglefight | Dewi: OpenOffice doesn't have that font. where can I download? |
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| 07:30.30 | gigglefight | Dewi: oop! please give me an example of monospace font. |
| 07:30.59 | Dewi | gigglefight: bitstream vera mono, courier new |
| 07:33.06 | gigglefight | :) using courier new. :) |
| 07:33.28 | tarzeau | ttf-mplus also has monospace |
| 07:33.34 | tarzeau | ttf-ocr-a as well |
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| 07:35.39 | Joint | hey how do i insert a patch |
| 07:35.41 | Joint | from a package? |
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| 07:36.03 | gigglefight | tarzeau: thanks! |
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| 07:37.03 | tarzeau | Joint: patch -p1 < the.patch ? |
| 07:37.24 | tarzeau | Joint: a debian source package? |
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| 07:38.20 | Joint | tarzeau, yeah |
| 07:38.25 | Joint | a package that i'm having issued with |
| 07:38.57 | tarzeau | Joint: which package? which issues? |
| 07:39.04 | Joint | there it is http://pastebin.ca/1951642 |
| 07:39.49 | tarzeau | Joint: hehe. that's python |
| 07:39.56 | ziftex | Hi. I having some problems with proftpd and premissions on Lenny. Hope someone migth be able to help me out. Problem in short is, /var/www/ is shared on ftp server, but even if I chmod 777, no uploads/folder creations is allowed. |
| 07:39.56 | Joint | yes it is |
| 07:40.08 | Joint | i'm stock on removing the package, |
| 07:40.24 | tarzeau | ziftex: you can configure these things in the proftpd configuration file? |
| 07:40.26 | Joint | it does not allow me to do so, |
| 07:40.40 | tarzeau | Joint: not even with dpkg -p --force-all ? |
| 07:40.59 | tarzeau | Joint: if so, you have to try tuning the pre/post removal/install scripts |
| 07:40.59 | ziftex | tarzeau: I did, (with gadmin-proftpd) And user is allowed in configuration to do everything I can click. |
| 07:41.09 | Joint | nope it does not tarzeau |
| 07:41.24 | tarzeau | ziftex: try to configure it with an $EDITOR and was proftpd told to reload the new configuration? |
| 07:41.29 | Dewi | Joint: what's your command? |
| 07:41.38 | Joint | sudo dpkg -p --force-all python-ap |
| 07:41.52 | tarzeau | Joint: yeah that's possible, that's why i told: you have to try tuning the pre/post removal/install scripts |
| 07:42.09 | Joint | tarzeau, how would i do such thing? |
| 07:42.11 | ziftex | tarzeau: yes, have reloaded and rebooted after making the changes. |
| 07:42.17 | tarzeau | Joint: i usually do so with exit 0 right after the shebang line - i know it's not the right way, but then, this should never happen |
| 07:42.27 | tarzeau | Joint: and it does, because some people write very poor shell script |
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| 07:42.49 | jelly-home | tarzeau: what does dpkg -p do? |
| 07:42.53 | Joint | so perhaps, how can i try tunning the pre post removal script |
| 07:43.04 | tarzeau | Joint: try /var/lib/dpkg/info/YOURPACKAGE.the files i told you |
| 07:43.09 | tarzeau | jelly-home: purge remove |
| 07:43.13 | jelly-home | tarzeau: that's -P |
| 07:43.27 | tarzeau | jelly-home: however that still may keep some files/data around (in your home, and in debconf) |
| 07:43.35 | tarzeau | jelly-home: ouch :) you're right of course |
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| 07:43.47 | tarzeau | Joint: i usually just make them not fail |
| 07:44.01 | Joint | damn I'm confused |
| 07:44.01 | tarzeau | Joint: then try to understand it, and do it manually |
| 07:44.01 | Joint | sorry |
| 07:44.15 | tarzeau | Joint: it's okay, not your fault. did you file a bug report already or check bts? |
| 07:44.44 | Joint | i did check it |
| 07:44.47 | Joint | and there was a patch |
| 07:45.01 | tarzeau | Joint: and that patch would fix your problem? |
| 07:45.10 | Joint | yes |
| 07:45.23 | Joint | this is the bug report |
| 07:45.25 | Joint | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=598432 |
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| 07:46.09 | tarzeau | Joint: no i don't want to read it, and i don't want to do stuff w/ python |
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| 07:46.16 | Joint | right, |
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| 07:46.53 | __lilbt__ | hi |
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| 07:47.30 | __lilbt__ | i would like to know if exist any easy way how to set and print .pdf documents on hp laserjet printers |
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| 07:49.14 | __lilbt__ | i must manage something like this, continous checking e-mail account, proccess new incoming mails printout statistic, from, to, subject, body and print out also .pdf attachments |
| 07:49.58 | __lilbt__ | any idea, how to do this? |
| 07:50.09 | __lilbt__ | i am guessing about to use postfix mailer |
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| 07:53.38 | mjmt | __lilbt__: postfix is mail server software. You want something like Thunderbird (aka Iceape in Debian) or KMail. |
| 07:53.49 | D4rKr0W | create a bash script that uses fetchmail or some similar util and then process them with whatever tool you need to get those into .pdf |
| 07:54.18 | D4rKr0W | Maildir should be pretty straightforward as format to work with |
| 07:54.21 | mjmt | Wait no sorry! Icedove |
| 07:54.46 | mjmt | Stupid rebranding. |
| 07:54.57 | D4rKr0W | icedove is a desktop client, i think __lilbt__ needs something to automate that process |
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| 08:02.35 | Godzilla | Hey, I've just setup squeeze, and I'm trying to get it all pinned right, to use all of the repos. I've got an ftp.us.debian.org line for squeeze, stable, testing, and unstable. I've heard of some bad things happening if you don't pin it properly so I wanted to ask first. I should pin it with squeeze at the top, and then stable, testing, and unstable right? |
| 08:02.59 | tarzeau | Godzilla: ouch |
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| 08:03.11 | tarzeau | !mix |
| 08:03.11 | dpkg | methinks mix is Donald Knuths fictional computer from his "The Art of Computer Programming" books, or 1009 |
| 08:03.11 | Godzilla | tarzeau, what? |
| 08:03.16 | tarzeau | !mixing |
| 08:03.43 | tarzeau | Godzilla: mixing stable, testing, unstable like you try to is really really bad. |
| 08:03.45 | Godzilla | tarzeau, I've heard of plenty of people doing it |
| 08:03.56 | tarzeau | Godzilla: that's nice for the plenty of people. i would NEVER do it like that |
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| 08:04.36 | Godzilla | tarzeau, then how should I do it? I want to use stable whenever posible, but I don't want to screw up squeeze, since it's still testing |
| 08:04.54 | tarzeau | Godzilla: that's fine, and which software/packages do you want newer than stable? |
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| 08:05.43 | Godzilla | tarzeau, and use testing and unstable, only when I must to get the software. |
| 08:05.57 | tarzeau | Godzilla: which software? |
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| 08:06.04 | tarzeau | Godzilla: it's not working like that |
| 08:06.24 | Godzilla | tarzeau, for when things aren't in the stable repo (because they're not stable yet ;) ) |
| 08:06.26 | tarzeau | Godzilla: there's backports and there's the you can make your own backports in your own repository |
| 08:06.59 | tarzeau | Godzilla: stable is just a name, it's not necessarily not stable as in, it crashes every 5 minutes/days/months... |
| 08:07.11 | tarzeau | !stable |
| 08:07.12 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or new versions introduced, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Lenny (5.0); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the current version (ask me about <security backports>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
| 08:07.46 | tarzeau | Godzilla: which packages would that be, that are not in stable? |
| 08:07.53 | Godzilla | tarzeau, or if I wanted to get the latest version of evolution, instead of the stable version. |
| 08:07.55 | tarzeau | Godzilla: it all depends on that particular package and software |
| 08:08.17 | Godzilla | tarzeau, I don't recall, but I came across one just the other day |
| 08:08.25 | tarzeau | Godzilla: depends on its dependencies, how much it needs, how easy they build/work on stable... |
| 08:08.52 | tarzeau | Godzilla: oh there's plenty... but anyways, you have to know exactly what you need, and check if you can do it |
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| 08:10.14 | Godzilla | tarzeau, then why doesn't everyone just use stable, or just use testing for everything? |
| 08:10.28 | tarzeau | Godzilla: many people use stable |
| 08:10.43 | Godzilla | tarzeau, I'm not trying to argue, I just want to find the best solution. |
| 08:10.43 | tarzeau | Godzilla: well testing sometimes gets changes from sid, that break it, that simply |
| 08:10.53 | tarzeau | Godzilla: i'm using unstable on some machines |
| 08:11.18 | tarzeau | Godzilla: if you don't mind your system break from time to time, and don't bother fixing it yourself, go ahead and run testing, or sid |
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| 08:11.40 | tarzeau | Godzilla: but then, i wouldn't want to run testing/sid on many machines, for other users |
| 08:12.10 | tarzeau | Godzilla: evolution is a desktop application, maybe you're better off with ubunchu? |
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| 08:13.38 | Godzilla | tarzeau, let me ask this a little bit differently. I'm on squeeze, and sometimes I want to install some software that's not in the squeeze repo (which should be testing right?), or I want to run a newer version than's in the squeeze repo, what should I do to make this happen with apt? |
| 08:13.57 | tarzeau | !backport |
| 08:13.57 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 08:14.17 | tarzeau | i'm not a fan of pinning... |
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| 08:14.42 | Godzilla | tarzeau, may I ask why? |
| 08:14.54 | tarzeau | Godzilla: bad experiences long time ago |
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| 08:19.57 | Godzilla | tarzeau, thanks for helping |
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| 08:21.16 | Godzilla | one last question, the squeeze (or lenny or sid) repo is just a pointer to the respective stable, testing, unstable repo, right? |
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| 08:26.25 | bolt-work | Godzilla: the other way around, but yes |
| 08:26.44 | bolt-work | Godzilla: lenny is always lenny, but stable changes to point to whatever is the current stable |
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| 08:26.56 | ttiicc | any release dates for debian6 stable? |
| 08:27.02 | bolt-work | !wir |
| 08:27.02 | dpkg | somebody said wir was When It's Ready. See also <rsn> and <siyh>. |
| 08:27.27 | Godzilla | bolt-work, oh, that makes more sense I guess. Thanks :D |
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| 08:27.56 | Godzilla | ok, thanks for trying to set me strait guys, bye |
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| 08:54.24 | __lilbt__ | yes, i need anything automatic |
| 08:54.41 | __lilbt__ | i think some .py script should be enough |
| 08:54.53 | __lilbt__ | but dunno how to set printer etc ... |
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| 09:05.59 | twantakur | hello |
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| 09:06.07 | twantakur | i wanna ask |
| 09:06.30 | nsadmin | ok |
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| 09:06.35 | nsadmin | !ask |
| 09:06.35 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 09:06.40 | twantakur | what is maximum connection tcp ip at linux can handle? |
| 09:07.46 | nsadmin | that would probably be controlled by how the kernel is compiled |
| 09:08.07 | twantakur | 65535 ? |
| 09:08.34 | twantakur | or just 200? |
| 09:08.48 | nsadmin | you mean how many ports? |
| 09:09.04 | scifiguy | how do i get 256 colors to work on urxvt? |
| 09:09.13 | scifiguy | i think the package name is rxvt-unicode |
| 09:09.22 | nsadmin | man urxvt? |
| 09:10.20 | nsadmin | twantakur: tcp/ip is short for a -lot- of different protocols, some of which don't have ports at all |
| 09:10.22 | joltcan | twantakur: It's a good question. It's limited to the number of ports per IP (tcp uses ports for connectivity), but you can have multiple IP's etc, so I guess the limit could be /sbin/sysctl fs.file-max for number of file descriptors |
| 09:10.32 | scifiguy | nsadmin: no mention of it there |
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| 09:11.40 | nsadmin | twantakur: do you specifically mean tcp? or udp? or what? |
| 09:11.52 | twantakur | tcp |
| 09:12.06 | nsadmin | ok, so how many ports can tcp have? |
| 09:12.17 | twantakur | how? |
| 09:12.21 | nsadmin | say we're talking about ipv4 |
| 09:12.24 | twantakur | yes |
| 09:12.27 | twantakur | ipv4 |
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| 09:13.02 | nsadmin | look at the tcp packet header, how many bits wide is the place for the port number? |
| 09:13.03 | joltcan | 65536 |
| 09:13.35 | twantakur | ok thanks |
| 09:13.35 | nsadmin | so 16 bits, and 65536 different possible port numbers |
| 09:13.53 | twantakur | i just wanna make sure |
| 09:14.01 | twantakur | i am using 32bit CPU |
| 09:14.09 | nsadmin | that won't matter |
| 09:14.30 | twantakur | when i using 64bit CPU can i get higher number? |
| 09:14.33 | nsadmin | the packet header for tcp will still have a 16-bit port number |
| 09:14.35 | nsadmin | no |
| 09:14.50 | twantakur | still 65535? |
| 09:14.52 | nsadmin | because the packet header is the same |
| 09:15.01 | twantakur | ooogh i see |
| 09:15.08 | nameless` | twantakur: tcp is a protocol defined in an RFC, the size of each frame will remain the same, whatever the architecture is |
| 09:15.09 | nsadmin | (can you think of why it -has- to be that) |
| 09:15.44 | joltcan | twantakur: So, what is it that you really want to do? :) |
| 09:15.54 | nsadmin | anything from an intel 8080 to an ibm 390 |
| 09:16.11 | nsadmin | the network packets will be the same |
| 09:16.19 | nsadmin | that way they can talk to each other |
| 09:16.24 | twantakur | when i place load balancer in front backend server still i got those limit (65535)? |
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| 09:16.51 | nsadmin | if they were different per cpu, they could not talk to each other |
| 09:16.57 | joltcan | twantakur: Yes, to a single IP address. |
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| 09:17.03 | twantakur | hmmm |
| 09:17.24 | nameless` | twantakur: what are you looking for ? |
| 09:17.25 | nsadmin | twantakur, google for "rusty's remarkably unreliable guides" |
| 09:17.44 | twantakur | i think placing load balancer is just to extends processing power |
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| 09:18.08 | twantakur | thanks dude |
| 09:18.40 | scifiguy | how do i get a list of packages that are not installed, but have config files still installed? |
| 09:18.52 | scifiguy | can i do it with aptitude? |
| 09:19.17 | nsadmin | there's a way to search for those using aptitude |
| 09:19.22 | nsadmin | check the man page |
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| 09:30.30 | themill | scifiguy: aptitude search ~c ; /msg dpkg aptitude search |
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| 09:33.43 | geaaru | hi, is there a way to use libneon27 and not libneon27-gnutls as dependency of the subversion to avoid problem with certificates and avoid recompilation of subversion? thanks in advance |
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| 09:34.37 | scifiguy | thanks, just clean up a lot of cruft with aptitude search \~c | awk '{print $2}' | xargs aptitude -y purge |
| 09:35.12 | themill | scifiguy: "aptitude purge ~c" is identical to that, btw |
| 09:35.30 | ikrabbe | I have a chroot user here, that I have created by hand. But when I log in and use PS1='\u:' the Username is "I have no name!". Also ls does not list the names, though /etc/passwd in my chroot does contain the valid entries |
| 09:35.36 | ikrabbe | whats wrong here? |
| 09:36.18 | scifiguy | what does id(1) say |
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| 09:36.29 | ikrabbe | id is not part of my chroot |
| 09:36.34 | ikrabbe | but i can install it... |
| 09:37.05 | ikrabbe | id just reveals the uid/gid numbers |
| 09:37.07 | ikrabbe | no names |
| 09:37.19 | nordin | hello guys, which/where config file does iptables read from after reboot by default? |
| 09:37.23 | terron | I just up my router to tunnel through hurricane electric and get ipv6. I can access ipv6 now with my windows system, but not my system running debian can't resolve an ipv6 host (I am using ipv6.google.com as an example) or ping an ipv6 address (I am using my own as a test). How can I tell if it's a router config problem or something on the debian system? |
| 09:37.53 | ikrabbe | hmm seems that I haven't installed nss things |
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| 09:40.18 | ikrabbe | yes that worked |
| 09:40.48 | ikrabbe | cool nss_compat was missing |
| 09:40.55 | ikrabbe | hugs strace |
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| 09:56.06 | crashanddie | Hey guys, I have to distribute some software, and we used to compile this on 64bit and 32bit with an old Debian 4. However, after upgrading to Debian 5, we end up having people complaining that the libc6 they're running is outdated -- my question is: Is it possible to compile stuff on Debian 5 with an older version of libc6? |
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| 09:57.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | crashanddie: build a chroot? |
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| 09:57.46 | crashanddie | but that would be equivalent to having a debian 4 running on my system -- wouldn't it be simpler to just reinstall a debian 4 altogether then? |
| 09:58.22 | nordin | hello guys, what's the default/standard way to save iptables rules on Debian Lenny? |
| 09:58.56 | llutz_ | nordin: iptables-save |
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| 09:59.12 | rozie | crashanddie: easiest way is to install old debian in some directory with debootstrap |
| 09:59.23 | rozie | and then you just chroot |
| 09:59.35 | nordin | llutz_: thnx, where does iptables-save saves the rulez? So when rebooting it reads the saved rules again. |
| 10:00.30 | llutz_ | nordin: stdout, redirect to a file and use iptables-restore after reboot to load that file |
| 10:00.35 | rozie | crashanddie: but I belive people (customers) are using 5, so you rather need to recompile software on 5 |
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| 10:01.31 | crashanddie | rozie, well, our customers are still running debian 4, and will be for quite a long time... which is where my dilemma comes from |
| 10:02.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | crashanddie: create chroots, or pbuilder/cowbuilder if its packages |
| 10:02.18 | crashanddie | ok |
| 10:02.28 | rozie | crashanddie: I'd prepare building enviroment in chroot |
| 10:02.39 | crashanddie | are the etch repos still online, btw? |
| 10:02.45 | crashanddie | I'm having trouble using the netinstall |
| 10:02.53 | rozie | well... |
| 10:02.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | its on archive |
| 10:02.57 | nordin | llutz: hmmm ok, I see there is no standard config file for that, so actually I need a script do the job after it's booted. |
| 10:03.00 | rozie | archives.debian.org |
| 10:03.02 | rozie | OSLT |
| 10:03.18 | rozie | but you don't need full system |
| 10:03.21 | rozie | use debootstrap |
| 10:03.36 | rozie | faster, lighter... |
| 10:03.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | easier to move artound |
| 10:03.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | *around |
| 10:04.41 | rozie | I have separate machine with several branches (64bit, 32bit, different patches...) made this way |
| 10:05.00 | rozie | what you need is just some disk space |
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| 10:05.24 | rozie | it works OK so far, unless kernel is involved |
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| 10:06.55 | llutz | nordin: just add short scripts to /etc/network/if-down.d and if-up.de |
| 10:07.06 | llutz | .d |
| 10:08.05 | nordin | llutz: ok thnx, I thought there was a standard config file that iptables read it from, but I now understand I have to do it myself. thank you for your help. |
| 10:09.22 | crashanddie | so chroot really is the favourite option, rather than running old versions of libc6 (which, most likely will break my system considering the dependencies, I'm guessing) |
| 10:10.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | crashanddie: considering you probalby just need teh dev files not the actual libc anyway, installing on the host is just taining it |
| 10:10.45 | crashanddie | Kamping_Kaiser, so how do other projects support older versions of compiled software? Using this method, a chroot? |
| 10:11.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | crashanddie: most likely. or they provide the code and people compile it themselves :p |
| 10:12.06 | crashanddie | hmm |
| 10:13.17 | crashanddie | it's surprising I can't specify which compatibility version I'd like with libc6 -- considering it's backwards compatible, and my code obviously only uses ancient features (and very little of those). |
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| 10:15.29 | crashanddie | I'll look into pbuilder, which seems to answer most of my problems, thanks guys! |
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| 10:19.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | crashanddie: gl :) |
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| 10:27.32 | nameless` | how do i install mpeg encoder ? |
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| 10:30.24 | Argafal | hi, i would like to track my working time. hence the "number of minutes I am active in some (of some more) windows". Just to keep some track. I'm looking for software which can be used to do that. |
| 10:30.46 | mryanbrown | can someone toss me some tips. my memory keeps rising 1MB/hr basically so by next day i hardly have any ram free, running stock 5.0.6, ipv6, postfix, radvd, lighttpd + userdir, cgi |
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| 10:31.19 | crashanddie | mryanbrown, how much is cached? |
| 10:31.26 | crashanddie | and how much swap is used? |
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| 10:32.07 | mryanbrown | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:32.07 | mryanbrown | Mem: 249 66 183 0 8 36 |
| 10:32.18 | mryanbrown | 0 swap |
| 10:32.20 | xconspirisist | hey folks, is there a tool to open a raw IP connection on an arbitary IP protocol number? Like nc cna do for TCP/UDP. |
| 10:32.28 | crashanddie | then you're not leaking memory, it's just caches |
| 10:32.43 | mryanbrown | for now, i just rebooted |
| 10:32.55 | mryanbrown | by tomorrow that will read something like 80% in use, cached 50-60 |
| 10:33.06 | crashanddie | does it use massive amounts of swap? |
| 10:33.19 | mryanbrown | negative, it hardly runs anything, sees no real users besides lan |
| 10:33.49 | crashanddie | then having 0 free is absolutely normal |
| 10:33.57 | stew | mryanbrown: /msg dpkg free memory |
| 10:33.57 | crashanddie | it will clear the caches if it requires more memory |
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| 10:34.33 | nimred | wich way to install nvidia driver ? |
| 10:34.55 | mryanbrown | okay I get it |
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| 10:44.37 | tarzeau | my gnome doesn't have the network manager anymore, i can't connect to wireless internet anymore |
| 10:44.53 | tarzeau | yes it's sid, and i know my fault, but how would i fix it? |
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| 10:47.28 | stew | st__: a standard tag? (like pending,patch,moreinfo,etc) or a usertag? |
| 10:47.44 | st__ | stew, yes, standard one |
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| 10:47.47 | stew | tarzeau: no way to connect without network manager? |
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| 10:47.58 | tarzeau | stew: only with wire |
| 10:48.07 | stew | st__: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/server-control |
| 10:48.15 | tarzeau | stew: if i try the command line tool, it says something with permissions and VPN and stuff, let me try |
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| 10:48.37 | stew | tarzeau: connect with a wire and install network-manager? |
| 10:48.50 | tarzeau | stew: it is installed, let me just upgrade, and see if it gets fixed that way... |
| 10:49.19 | stew | tarzeau: its installed but not running? |
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| 10:50.08 | tarzeau | stew: yes, it brings some error msgs, and now that you mention it, i could check bts now that i have internet |
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| 10:51.40 | mryanbrown | does mutt come part of standard system? |
| 10:51.59 | petemc | no, just install it |
| 10:52.29 | mryanbrown | im trying to think what installed it, postfix has mail-reader which lists mutt |
| 10:53.11 | petemc | aptitude why mutt |
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| 11:37.18 | luminoso | what was that command |
| 11:37.22 | luminoso | to search inside the packages? |
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| 11:37.30 | luminoso | i mean: i want the package that have "killall" command |
| 11:37.36 | luminoso | there is a way to search INSIDE the packages |
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| 11:40.02 | jelly | luminoso: if the command is installed, dpkg -S $(which killall) |
| 11:40.08 | jelly | !tell luminoso about search |
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| 11:42.06 | luminoso | ty jelly |
| 11:42.50 | luminoso | jelly, imagine that i want comand XYZ not present on system that is inside a package with a strange name |
| 11:42.57 | luminoso | apt-cache works for that? |
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| 11:43.27 | luminoso | for example, aptitude search killall doen't work because "killall" is inside "psmic" package |
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| 11:44.17 | luminoso | there is a command that digs inside packages not installed in system |
| 11:44.21 | luminoso | but i don't remember it |
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| 11:46.56 | macrobat | apt-file search killall |
| 11:47.08 | luminoso | macrobat, TY |
| 11:47.09 | luminoso | :-D |
| 11:47.29 | macrobat | ^5, luminoso |
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| 11:47.38 | eshat | Hi all, I have a bash script, which executes some commands on a remote machine via ssh. Is it possible to type in the ssh password just once, so that the script remembers, if the password for root@host has already been typed correctly ? |
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| 11:49.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | eshat: use keybased authentication |
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| 11:49.34 | eshat | Kamping_Kaiser: that is no option, since a big team will use this script |
| 11:50.05 | eshat | Kamping_Kaiser: and also root account from 250 differnt clients |
| 11:50.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | eshat: wtf are you giving 200 hosts root for? |
| 11:50.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | eshat: point remains, use keys |
| 11:50.35 | dadrian | eshat: storing the password in plain in a bash script is a bad ideea, also logging in remotely as root is a bad ideea... try sudo |
| 11:50.50 | eshat | Kamping_Kaiser: I am an admin at a big university, we have 250 user-clients and 50 servers |
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| 11:51.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | eshat: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 11:51.28 | eshat | dadrian: remotly means heare (in our subnetwork) |
| 11:51.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | and thats not a big uni |
| 11:51.33 | eshat | here* |
| 11:51.57 | eshat | Kamping_Kaiser: it is, I am just at the faculty for mathematics, but that is not the point |
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| 11:53.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | i agree its not the point |
| 11:53.11 | dadrian | eshat: i'm curious what the purpose could be as well |
| 11:53.28 | eshat | We have a script, which creates a printer at our printServer, and it has to execute 3 seperated commands to create the printer and set some options |
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| 11:54.08 | eshat | it is not possible to merge these commands into on ssh line, since there need to be if-cases between |
| 11:54.14 | eshat | one* |
| 11:54.34 | themill | eshat: why not run the entire script on the remote machine? |
| 11:55.06 | eshat | themill: well, that is a good advice :D ... |
| 11:55.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | surely the server is pushing stuff to the clients? |
| 11:55.33 | themill | and organise to have it run with reduced privileges too -- groups exist for a reason |
| 11:55.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | and isn't this a use or bcgf2/cfengine/etc? |
| 11:55.48 | eshat | themill: but the script is managed via SVN and is located in eachs admins home |
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| 11:57.42 | eshat | themill: there is only root-access to the CUPS-Server, so the permissions are no problem... |
| 11:57.55 | eshat | s/would be/are/ |
| 11:58.21 | themill | cups allows group-based access controls. the answer to your problem is not giving root access to everyone |
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| 11:59.27 | eshat | themill: everyone here, is just a team of nine sysadmins |
| 11:59.59 | eshat | themill: also, it wasn't me who created this structure, I am just working on an improvment :D |
| 12:00.53 | themill | If you're working on improvements anyway, it sounds like you could make some quite radical ones... |
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| 12:01.23 | eshat | well, I think I will make the mainscript just call a subscribt on the CUPS-Server, which will fix the "enter password multiple times" thing |
| 12:03.06 | eshat | themill: the university is using linux/UNIX for about 20 years, and it's not that easy to change all of the complex structure it got in the last two decads |
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| 12:04.00 | themill | you could happily do key-based auth for the actual connection too; put a force-command on the key so that it can only do precisely one thing -- run the script on the cups server. |
| 12:06.16 | eshat | themill: I will look for that, anything else, that should be changed "radicaly", in your opinion ? |
| 12:06.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | the way you distribute updates around your network |
| 12:07.46 | eshat | Kamping_Kaiser: ? |
| 12:08.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | eshat: get a proper change distribution setup |
| 12:08.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | and push changes from servers to clients, not the other way around... |
| 12:09.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | (unless i misunderstand you on that last one) |
| 12:09.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | eshat: don't ctcp me |
| 12:09.18 | eshat | Kamping_Kaiser: I think you got something wrong |
| 12:10.12 | eshat | Kamping_Kaiser: yeah, you got that wrong, |
| 12:11.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | ok :) |
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| 12:11.14 | t0mas | hi |
| 12:11.21 | eshat | Kamping_Kaiser: just found that ctcp button, interesting, is it unformly to just ctcp someone :D |
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| 12:16.23 | t0mas | I have an intel machine with 2.6.26-2-amd64 kernel (debian lenny, updated with the latest updates). It has two sata harddisks connected to the simple onboard ICH10 controller, on these harddisk we have 3 md-raid partitions, md0 boot, 1 root, 2 LVM. On top of LVM we have some volumes setup for a database and user-data. This machine works fine 90% of the time, but one in a while it completely hangs for about 30 seconds. It also reports pdflush has hun |
| 12:16.24 | t0mas | g for more than 120 seconds in syslog (I have tried to google this, but didn't find a conclusive cause). One peculiar symptom is that in iotop I can see 0 kb/s read and write while both pdflush (sometimes multiple threads) and the md1_raid1 process show 100% IO-load, md1 is thus the root filesystem |
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| 12:19.36 | t0mas | I can't find any reason why both processes hang at 100% io-load while nothing is read from or written to the disks, is this a deadlock? or is io-load calculated for something else? (controller interactions?). The normal cpu-overview in top also shows 50% wait load (which is correct for 2 of the 4 cores being completely busy running pdflush and the md1_raid1 thread?) |
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| 12:23.39 | sara2010 | any one there |
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| 12:24.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: tell sara2010 about anyone |
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| 12:41.07 | Kaizen | i'm trying to do this on debian but it isn't working - LoadFile /usr/lib/libxml2.so |
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| 12:50.18 | amee2k | anyone know an online tool to properly indent XML code? |
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| 12:52.41 | amee2k | this config file has all the xml crap in one long line and this sucks for editing |
| 12:52.50 | amee2k | and i'm not gonna hand-format 1.1MB of XML :X |
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| 12:55.17 | at0m | amee2k: maybe replace all > by >[newline] ? |
| 12:55.53 | t0mas | or open with firefox, save what is shows and replace the annoying minus-signs it adds ;-) |
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| 12:56.46 | jpinx-eeepc | amee2k: bluefish - scite - any decent text editor |
| 12:56.58 | amee2k | replacing with >\n didn't really help. now its ~43k lines |
| 12:57.21 | amee2k | how about gedit? |
| 12:57.22 | amee2k | hides |
| 12:57.36 | jpinx-eeepc | amee2k: even gmail can do that - googledocs |
| 12:58.24 | amee2k | wtf. firefox can't do "select all" on xml? |
| 12:58.34 | amee2k | jpinx-eeepc: got a link handy? |
| 12:58.59 | themill | amee2k: xmllint can do that can't it? |
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| 12:59.59 | ksk | hello there |
| 13:00.05 | jpinx-eeepc | amee2k: https://docs.google.com/?tab=mo&authuser=0 |
| 13:00.07 | themill | (xmllint --format input.xml > output.xml) |
| 13:00.16 | _stefanos_ | hello everyone |
| 13:01.02 | _stefanos_ | I have found 1 USB drive in one of our labs (college labs) and it seems that it's write protected. Is there a way to remove the protection? |
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| 13:01.43 | ksk | i got a screenrc with different "windows" set by "screen -t $name" - is it possible to execute somethin "in there" from outsite the screen? (like "start $programme in screen blafoo window 3) |
| 13:01.46 | amee2k | themill: oh wow. that worked. or at least i think it did. thanks a lot |
| 13:01.53 | amee2k | $ XMLLINT_INDENT="$(echo -en '\t')" xmllint --format ConfigEdit.xml |
| 13:02.45 | themill | tab!? how tasteless. (and you could use XMLLINT_INDENT=$'\t' for that anyway) |
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| 13:03.06 | VSpike | I'm getting the error mentioned here http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/XenFaq#head-31ebe1eb6c34c5d4044559364d1048bf8ea1cae7 running debian lenny .. |
| 13:03.22 | amee2k | $'\t' is an interresting syntax |
| 13:03.24 | VSpike | I tried installing a package called "libc6-xen" but it hasn't helped. I saw the script linked from the FAQ's but that is quite old now .. what is the best solution now, and what is the downside of just disabling tls? |
| 13:03.35 | themill | amee2k: that's a bash specialty :S |
| 13:03.40 | amee2k | oh, cool |
| 13:03.57 | amee2k | also, yes i'm a mild fan of tab indentation |
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| 13:10.28 | bjacob | hi. trying to install bugzilla. It needs the PatchReader Perl module (for an optional but very useful feature) |
| 13:10.44 | bjacob | Do you know if PatchReader is provided by some debian package ? |
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| 13:13.32 | NOMADICUS | Hello. I have been trying to make a multi boot usb installer with no succes but significant experimental achievement. |
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| 13:16.21 | NOMADICUS | I used one of these images http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/5.0.6-live/i386/ and wrote it to a usb using dd. It overwrites the entire usb drive. |
| 13:17.04 | NOMADICUS | It booted without any problems and was great. The fastest usb boot I have ever seen. |
| 13:17.23 | NOMADICUS | But it does not have an installer. |
| 13:17.47 | NOMADICUS | And I want to have multiple os to boot from. |
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| 13:19.26 | NOMADICUS | So I rewrote the usb with debian-506-i386-DVD-1.iso using unetbootin. |
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| 13:20.38 | NOMADICUS | It booted into the installer. I started the installer, but it failed because it querry's the dvd. The installer does not check to see what the install medium is. So it fails. |
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| 13:22.09 | NOMADICUS | Now I am thinking I would like to try and make a small distro that boots and mounts the iso as a drive, then startes the installer from the mounted dvd. Will that work, how do I do it? |
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| 13:36.04 | mrtnt | Is it somehow possible via software disable NIC in such manner, that even "link protocol" in switch will not come up? |
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| 13:36.39 | mrtnt | I mean "ifconfig eth0 down" will not do the thing |
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| 13:37.35 | dockimble | is there a good twitter client for the command line/ncurses for powerpc? |
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| 13:42.15 | qwd | dockimble: I don't know but try apt-cache search twitter |
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| 13:49.49 | willemb | Greetings. Can someone point me in the right direction? I am looking for something to test the load-bearing capability effect configuration changes make to courier? |
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| 14:13.33 | szonek | hi |
| 14:14.04 | szonek | how can i change IRQ for my ethernet cards? right now they are all on the same irq |
| 14:14.08 | szonek | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:14.17 | szonek | (from the /proc/interrupts) |
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| 14:14.59 | joltcan | szonek: Don't you do stuff like that in the BIOS of your computer |
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| 14:17.16 | Digdilem | pretty sure that's the case, os can't control it afaik |
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| 14:27.10 | szonek | Digdilem, joltcan what about this: http://www.faqs.org/docs/ethernet/Ethernet-HOWTO-2.html |
| 14:27.19 | szonek | there is something like options eth0 -o 3c501-0 io=0x280 irq=5 |
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| 14:29.02 | joltcan | szonek: Maybe, I don't remember how I used to do stuff like that, I thought that io/irq was only where the module should talk to the hardware |
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| 14:32.10 | Digdilem | szonek, that faq seems to say how you tell the os what irq the hardware is on, not tell the hardware what irq to use. That's what the bios is for |
| 14:32.40 | Digdilem | I can appreciate the want to seperate ethernet cards by irq to avoid clashing, but normally (only?) done in bios. |
| 14:32.53 | Digdilem | this all brings back horrible memories of dos and sound cards btw :/ |
| 14:33.01 | szonek | yeah ;/ |
| 14:33.08 | szonek | thanks Digdilem |
| 14:33.12 | Digdilem | np, gl |
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| 14:33.43 | mrtnt | Is it somehow possible via software to disable NIC in such manner, that even "link protocol" in Cisco switch will not come up? I connected laptop eth0 port to switch and console cable as well. If I do "ifconfig eth0 down" or "ifdown eth0", the link protocol still stays up. Even after "modprobe -r e1000e" the link protocol between switch and laptop takes place. As far as I know, there are no possibilities to disable NIC using ethtool or mii-tool. Any suggesti |
| 14:33.45 | mrtnt | ons? |
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| 14:35.54 | beardy | Unload the module, if it's a modularized kernel. But possibly it will be up in that sense as long as it has power and is functioning. |
| 14:36.35 | job127 | hello, is there any way to tell apt/aptitude to install and configure multiple packages in parallel, thus utilising multicore cpus better? |
| 14:36.43 | beardy | Oh, you did that. Oh well. |
| 14:36.54 | job127 | something like the -j option of make |
| 14:37.22 | stew | job127: no |
| 14:38.15 | job127 | okay, thanks |
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| 14:39.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmh, I just had a failed rsnapshot backup run |
| 14:40.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | should I now remove daily.0? |
| 14:41.24 | jelly | no need to do anything, I think |
| 14:41.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, definitely not... daily.0 is 141G, while daily.1 is only 7mb |
| 14:41.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | but the newest one becomes daily.0 in the end... |
| 14:42.35 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: du /dir1 /dir2 doesn't count hardlinks present in both for /dir2 |
| 14:42.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | so... rsnapshot moves daily.1 .. daily.N to daily.(n+1) each, then creates a new daily.1, then swaps daily.0 and daily.1? |
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| 14:42.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | that sounds weird |
| 14:43.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, you sure? |
| 14:43.16 | GuyllFyre | I applied recent updates to my Lenny laptop and now the wireless has stopped working. If I configure it manually through Network settings, it works until I restart. It's no longer giving me the option via the panel applet to connect automatically to my wireless. So far google searches haven't helped. Can someone point me in the right direction? |
| 14:43.25 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: run just du /dir2 by itself. |
| 14:43.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | afaik there's no way to say where the "other hardlinks" are |
| 14:43.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 14:43.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh |
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| 14:43.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | I see |
| 14:43.50 | jelly | indeed |
| 14:44.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | that'd mean it's caching all inodes, though |
| 14:45.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | which also seems unlikely... considering there's no limit to the number of inodes you can traverse |
| 14:45.17 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: it shows disk usage. hardlinks are just pointers to same disk space. |
| 14:45.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | I need a backup of my backup now that it's a remote backup that takes ages :( |
| 14:45.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I ran du -hs daily.*, not du -hs . |
| 14:45.59 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: DIR=/tmp/something ; mkdir -p $DIR/a $DIR/b ; dd if=/dev/zero count=1000 of=$DIR/a/c ; ln $DIR/a/c $DIR/a/b ; du $DIR/a $DIR/b |
| 14:46.35 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: and yes, when you try to use du in a set of directories with lots of hardlinks, you'll find du starting to use tons of memory |
| 14:46.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'll just run it on the real backups... have to figure out what copy is the botched one anyway... |
| 14:47.06 | eviltoaster | is squeeze stable or not ? .. people say different things all the time. |
| 14:47.10 | stew | i was never able to figure out how much disk space my dirvish backups took becuase I didn't have enough memory on the backup server |
| 14:47.33 | stew | eviltoaster: not stable, currently its the testing release, so it changes multiple times per day |
| 14:47.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | because all the fancy hardlinking stuff rsnapshot does can/will be lost if there's a partial copy in daily.0... I think |
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| 14:49.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | with what you say, what I see would make sense, tough - supposing first rsnapshot creates hard-links of _everything_, then goes through it and removes/replaces files... |
| 14:49.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'd get what I saw... |
| 14:51.42 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: daily.0 is too similar to old daily.1, only 7MB of differences |
| 14:52.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | right |
| 14:52.12 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: dirvish is nicer in that it completely wipes a botched rsync tree if the backup fails |
| 14:52.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's what I mean... makes sense in the light of what you say |
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| 14:52.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | it couldnt... something happened to the usb connect |
| 14:52.37 | stew | i've been pretty happy since i switched from dirvish to backuppc |
| 14:52.56 | stew | you lose the ability to actually browse through your backups in a shell though |
| 14:53.02 | jelly | I can't be bothered to use any complex for local disks |
| 14:53.10 | jelly | anything* |
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| 14:53.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe, right, interesting |
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| 14:54.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | du -hs daily.* : 141G daily.0 // 7.9M daily.1 // 5.3G daily.2 |
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| 14:54.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | for i in daily.*; do du -hs $i; done : 141G daily.0 // 135G daily.1 // 143G daily.2 |
| 14:54.55 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: you'll have to rtfm to make du display ~140G everywhere |
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| 14:56.17 | jelly | there's an option to "count sizes many times if hard linked" |
| 14:56.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok, so most likely daily.0 is the stale one |
| 14:56.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | weirdd... 141G-135G != 8M |
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| 14:58.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | thanks for that jelly/stew I never was aware of this... had run du -hs * on that previously |
| 14:58.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's kinda logic when you think about it |
| 14:58.16 | crazy2k_ | I want to remove some string of text from every page of a pdf. Any ideas? |
| 14:58.58 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: compare "du -hs daily.0 daily.1" and "du -hs daily.1 daily.0" |
| 14:59.14 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: this will be on the exam |
| 14:59.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | :) |
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| 15:00.50 | Rebells | Folks, my Konsole on 3.5.10 times out on a telnet session on VPN after abt 1 hour, do you know where the setting could be? This does not happen in Konsole of 4.2 |
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| 15:01.34 | ethanol | 3.x ? |
| 15:01.37 | ethanol | lenny is 5 |
| 15:01.38 | ethanol | :< |
| 15:01.50 | ethanol | if I am not mistaken |
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| 15:04.14 | Rebells | stable is 3.x |
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| 15:08.01 | abrotman | ethanol: kde 3.5.10 |
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| 15:08.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, du -hs daily.1 daily.0: 135G daily.1 // 6.1G daily.0 |
| 15:08.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | not sure that makes sense to me |
| 15:09.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, it does :) |
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| 15:18.23 | mkad | Hi |
| 15:18.28 | mkad | is there a r-cran-ggplot package for debian ? |
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| 15:18.43 | abourget | any debian package maintainers here ? |
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| 15:20.01 | The_Machine | could anyone help a linux noob migrate a webpage (php/mysql/apache) over to a new debian installation in a VM? |
| 15:20.17 | The_Machine | i'm at a pretty low level of new, but i need to get it done |
| 15:20.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, hm, so daily.0 has all the data that daily.1 had + 6GB - which means the backup run only added data and didn't remove any and the most efficient thing is to just run another backup :) |
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| 15:22.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | The_Machine, how do you generally transfer data from one to the other |
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| 15:23.01 | The_Machine | i have the tarball of the backup transferred |
| 15:23.12 | The_Machine | but i don't know where it goes or what to configure (exactly) to make it so it's running that backup |
| 15:23.20 | The_Machine | as the kernel from the old debian server is very old |
| 15:23.31 | The_Machine | and i don't know jack :P :) |
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| 15:24.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | where things go depends on how you created the tarball... |
| 15:25.02 | The_Machine | didn't create it, but sees how it was created |
| 15:25.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | goes to current-dir+complete relative packed path |
| 15:25.26 | stew | abourget: there are, just ask your question, though there is a channel devoted to such questions: #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org |
| 15:25.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | tar.gz, tar.bz2 or just tar? |
| 15:26.10 | The_Machine | tgz |
| 15:26.22 | The_Machine | so backup.tgz |
| 15:26.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | "tar -tvzf backup.tgz" shows you where things go (relative to your current directory) |
| 15:27.02 | The_Machine | yeah, i see a /var and /www |
| 15:27.17 | The_Machine | er, /usr and /var |
| 15:27.18 | The_Machine | sorry |
| 15:27.26 | The_Machine | in the /var/ is /www |
| 15:27.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | /usr? |
| 15:27.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmh |
| 15:28.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | you might not want to unpack that... |
| 15:28.20 | The_Machine | yeah, it goes deeper to /usr/local/var/ and there are a ton if .bin files |
| 15:28.31 | The_Machine | let me look at the backup script |
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| 15:28.39 | The_Machine | didn't do any of this |
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| 15:29.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | do something like mkdir /var/unpack; cd /var/ ; mv www www.ori; cd unpack; tar -xvzf /path/to/backup.tgz; mv www .. |
| 15:30.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | after looking up what that does :) |
| 15:30.17 | The_Machine | heh |
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| 15:30.34 | The_Machine | i see what it does |
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| 15:30.53 | The_Machine | i'm looking at the backup script and it just packs those two dirs into a tgz |
| 15:31.04 | The_Machine | doesn't even stop services it looks like |
| 15:31.09 | The_Machine | maybe there's another part to it |
| 15:31.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can then still decide what you do with the /usr/local bits |
| 15:31.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | or you just unpack in / and it'll go to the same places as on the other machine, overwriting any files with the same name as in the archive |
| 15:32.59 | The_Machine | i guess it wouldn't hurt as there is no /usr/local/var on the new machine |
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| 15:33.32 | socram | !anyone |
| 15:33.32 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 15:33.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you are sure that files are only under /usr/local/var and /var/www, yes |
| 15:34.06 | The_Machine | CutMeOwnThroat, in /var/www there is only one file index.html that says "it works!" |
| 15:34.11 | The_Machine | so i don't care if that's overwritten either |
| 15:34.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | I meant in the archive |
| 15:34.35 | The_Machine | oh, yep |
| 15:34.36 | The_Machine | that's it! |
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| 15:35.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | unpacking in / is potentially unsafe, while unpacking in an empty directory usually is not (except someone malicious created the tarfile) |
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| 15:37.05 | socram | I'm trying to install ntop, and it says "checking for pcap_lookupdev in -lpcap... no // libpcap not installed". But dpkg shows "ii libpcap0.8 1.0.0-6". Am i missing something? |
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| 15:37.39 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions libpcap0.8 |
| 15:37.41 | judd | Package libpcap0.8 on i386 -- etch: 0.9.5-1; lenny: 0.9.8-5; sid: 1.1.1-2; squeeze: 1.1.1-2 |
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| 15:38.14 | jhutchins_lt | socram: Where are you getting these packages? |
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| 15:39.07 | The_Machine | while i'm trying to copy these directories i'm getting 'omitting directory' problems |
| 15:39.16 | socram | jhutchins_lt: apt-get install tcpdump installed that one.. |
| 15:39.19 | The_Machine | don't i just cp /dir/dir /otherdir/dir -b |
| 15:39.20 | The_Machine | ? |
| 15:39.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | copy? |
| 15:39.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | I told you to move them! |
| 15:39.54 | The_Machine | well i tried that and it didn't work either :P |
| 15:40.14 | jhutchins_lt | socram: I mean what is your source? Your version of libpcap0.8 is not current in any Debian release. |
| 15:40.19 | The_Machine | oh, that time it did |
| 15:40.20 | The_Machine | weird |
| 15:41.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | you have to move the old "www" direcotry away, else you put the new one inside the old one |
| 15:41.16 | socram | jhutchins_lt: want my apt source list? |
| 15:41.26 | The_Machine | i did it |
| 15:41.41 | jhutchins_lt | socram: You can pastebin it. |
| 15:42.04 | The_Machine | but it won't just take me to the site (and i didn't necessarily expect it to) |
| 15:42.10 | The_Machine | getting: Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_FINAL, expecting ')' in /var/www/projects/index.php on line 392 |
| 15:42.11 | The_Machine | hehe |
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| 15:43.01 | socram | jhutchins_lt: http://pastebin.com/h6TZsmRA |
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| 15:44.11 | jhutchins_lt | socram: Idiot. This is Debian support. If you follow our advice here you may destroy your system. Please ask for help in #debian, and if you don't find it there do NOT ask here. |
| 15:44.33 | jhutchins_lt | Ok, I'm an idiot too, ask in #ubuntu. |
| 15:44.35 | kombucha | I have a squeeze box that is missing /etc/ini.d/hostname.sh -- is this normal and/or how do I do this in squeeze? |
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| 15:45.03 | angel-tsankov | where can I download a daily build of debian installer |
| 15:45.04 | The_Machine | any help is appreciated |
| 15:45.06 | kombucha | sysctl? |
| 15:45.28 | kombucha | yep that was it |
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| 15:46.03 | jhutchins_lt | I am in a foul mood this morning and should not be on IRC. |
| 15:46.23 | The_Machine | is an idiot too |
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| 15:51.56 | The_Machine | is there a way to undo actions, like cp and mv instead of doing a cp or mv back? |
| 15:53.14 | pipeline | The_Machine: no. |
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| 15:53.23 | pipeline | The_Machine: unless you used e.g. lvm snapshots |
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| 15:53.45 | The_Machine | i think i screwed up |
| 15:53.52 | The_Machine | nods re snapshots |
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| 15:55.29 | The_Machine | so i think i disobeyed CutMeOwnThroat and did the command wrong. if i mv a folder like /var/www will it overwrite any other folder in the destination like /var/lib? |
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| 15:56.10 | The_Machine | or would it just overwrite any destination file that was already tehre? |
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| 15:56.53 | iman | how can i install flashplayer in in debian? |
| 15:57.18 | iman | ~flashplayer |
| 15:57.22 | The_Machine | my my /var/lib/locate is gone |
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| 15:59.49 | qwd | iman: the same way you would install anything else on debian. |
| 15:59.51 | The_Machine | actually |
| 15:59.54 | The_Machine | all of /var/lib is gone! |
| 15:59.56 | The_Machine | dammit |
| 16:00.05 | BrownNose | Flash only works on Ubuntu, sorry |
| 16:00.34 | iman | qwd, in install it on debian, but i can't see any things |
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| 16:00.56 | AnthLee | is there no apturl in or planned for debian squeeze? |
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| 16:04.11 | iman | have i to change my distro for see a flash on net ? |
| 16:04.12 | cheetahj25 | hello, I am trying to setup internet connection sharing on my debian box; I have 2 nics at eth{2,3}, I typed: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth2 -j MASQUERADE, then iptables-save, however I don't see the rules listed if I enter iptables -L |
| 16:04.33 | cheetahj25 | is there something special I have to do to enforce the iptables rules, after saving ? |
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| 16:09.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | ima... |
| 16:09.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | no patience |
| 16:09.54 | rafaelsoaresbr | hello, i am downloading debian dvds with jigdo. is there any modification in dvd1-dvd5 or only in debian-update-dvd? |
| 16:10.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell BrownNose about adobe flash |
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| 16:11.18 | BrownNose | wut is flash, that only runs on windoze |
| 16:11.47 | AnthLee | o.o |
| 16:11.47 | BrownNose | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:12.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | rafaelsoaresbr, "modification"? |
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| 16:12.18 | AnthLee | so I figured out how to run jockey-gtk in squeeze |
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| 16:13.44 | AnthLee | kinda want apturl but it seems it isnt in the repositories :( |
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| 16:14.56 | rafaelsoaresbr | CutMeOwnThroat, does they make modifications in DVD1-5 or only in debian's update dvd (debian-update-506)? |
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| 16:19.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean if the DVD 1-5 are still 5.0 and all additional packages are separate... dunno, the faq at http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/ answers that indirectly... you can check the older images at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
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| 16:21.01 | rafaelsoaresbr | there's 6 dvds, right? when they release an update (debian 506), is there any difference between debian-504-i386-dvd1 and debian-506-i386-dvd1? why is there a dvd named "debian-update-506-i386? |
| 16:21.45 | rafaelsoaresbr | sorry for my poor english |
| 16:21.58 | zinx | i thought there were 14 dvds |
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| 16:22.48 | zinx | looks like it's only up to 8 |
| 16:23.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | there are MD5 and SHA1 checksums in the archive and they are different... |
| 16:24.30 | rafaelsoaresbr | CutMeOwnThroat, sure? thanks, I am going to download everything again |
| 16:24.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I would think that the update image is for people who already have a set of DVD |
| 16:24.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | never used it, though |
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| 16:25.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | rafaelsoaresbr, the general recommendation is to just install the netinstall for a minimal base install, then just pull from the net what you actually install |
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| 16:25.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | the DVDs contain a lot of packages you'll never need |
| 16:26.05 | rafaelsoaresbr | CutMeOwnThroat, I've already used that and when I so sudo apt-get install something, sometimes it ask me for debian-update.iso :) |
| 16:26.41 | stew | rafaelsoaresbr: the update dvd contains only the things that changed since the original lenny release |
| 16:26.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | rafaelsoaresbr, edit /etc/apt/sources.list and comment out/remove the cdrom:// lines |
| 16:28.30 | rafaelsoaresbr | stew, I thought that, so, why do I need do download dvd1-5 again? (using jigdo of course) |
| 16:28.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | you don'T |
| 16:28.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | the question is why you think you have to |
| 16:29.20 | stew | rafaelsoaresbr: no |
| 16:29.22 | Kaizen | anyone know a good tool for building mod_security rules? |
| 16:29.37 | stew | rafaelsoaresbr: or you can just make sure you have a line for security.debian.org in your sources.list and forget the dvds |
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| 16:31.09 | rafaelsoaresbr | CutMeOwnThroat, because I download it from an ultra fast connection at university (local mirrors at university) and use it on an almost non-networked PC. hehe |
| 16:31.30 | AnthLee | anyone know how to get apturl support working in debian and chromium (compiled from source) ? |
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| 16:32.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | rafaelsoaresbr, /msg dpkg apt-zip also mgs it about the further factoids mentioned in there (<apt offline> <apt-walkabout>) |
| 16:33.46 | rafaelsoaresbr | anyway, I think it would be necessary to download only debian-update to update to debian 506 |
| 16:33.53 | sphenxes | what is the usually the Dibian cycle (according to the past history)? New version every 2 years (I prefere longer cycle anyway). |
| 16:34.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | !release history |
| 16:34.17 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14). The next release will be Squeeze. And Wheezy after that. See also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html. |
| 16:34.36 | AnthLee | whenever they are done sphenxes |
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| 16:37.16 | sphenxes | thanks |
| 16:37.28 | qq- | sphenxes, /msg dpkg etch |
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| 16:39.09 | jhutchins_lt | sphenxes: Nice thing about debian is that they have a standard based on the severity of bugs in a given release, and they don't release until it meets that standard. |
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| 16:40.30 | sphenxes | jhutchins_lt, I like debian very much. i left suse because it is updated almost every six months and lot of unstable packages. i would like something to run for several months (or years) till the new update |
| 16:40.46 | qq- | sphenxes, as example, Etch security support ended on 2010-02-15, begin 2007-04-08, total support == ~ 3 years |
| 16:41.59 | sphenxes | qq-, i am hear to stay, my life cycle was, dos, 95, 98, xp, then Fedora, suse and lenny. Debain is really wonderful |
| 16:42.18 | sphenxes | state of the art. |
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| 16:43.56 | zmitya | hi guys |
| 16:44.22 | zmitya | can somebody please give me a working ETCH cd iso link ? |
| 16:44.42 | qq- | !etch |
| 16:44.43 | dpkg | Etch is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. Etch users should upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Removed from the mirrors (2010-06-20); ask me about <etch sources.list>. For old Etch ISOs, ask me about <etch iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100121 |
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| 16:45.11 | qq- | zmitya, /msg dpkg etch iso |
| 16:45.34 | abrotman | zmitya: please don't install etch .. it hasn't had support in over six months |
| 16:45.42 | zmitya | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/4.0_r9/ |
| 16:45.48 | zmitya | oops |
| 16:45.48 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
| 16:45.52 | zmitya | qq-: really thanks !! |
| 16:45.59 | bzed | zmitya: don't do that. |
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| 16:46.44 | zmitya | bzed: do what ? |
| 16:46.51 | bzed | zmitya: install etch. |
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| 16:47.16 | zmitya | guys, we have a system binaries, compiled in etch |
| 16:47.34 | zmitya | I just want to install them to check how did our old system work |
| 16:47.37 | zmitya | thats all :) |
| 16:47.40 | zmitya | don't panic :) |
| 16:47.43 | bzed | :) |
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| 16:51.48 | rafaelsoaresbr | i have all debian 504 dvd images, what is debian-update--i386.iso supposed to? i believe it's supposed to update 504 to 506? |
| 16:53.07 | rafaelsoaresbr | debian-update-i386-506* |
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| 16:54.09 | jhutchins_lt | rafaelsoaresbr: I thought we explained that to you earlier. |
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| 16:55.50 | vy | Hi! I just need a dummy MTA for internal mailing purposes of a single machine. Previously I was using smail but it appears that it is removed from the repositories. Why do you people recommend? |
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| 16:57.30 | dondelelcaro | vy: do you need to deliver mail locally? or do you just want to get the mail off of the machine to somewhere else? |
| 16:57.33 | rafaelsoaresbr | jhutchins_lt, No, We aren't sure. |
| 16:57.35 | jhutchins_lt | rafaelsoaresbr: We also gave you information on ways to download only the packages you need instead of the whole update DVD. |
| 16:58.08 | vy | dondelelcaro: Locally. You know, rss2email, warnings send to the root, etc. |
| 16:58.08 | rafaelsoaresbr | jhutchins_lt, please answer me |
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| 16:58.29 | dondelelcaro | vy: yeah, but I assume you want to read it on some account which isn't the local machine |
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| 16:58.56 | dondelelcaro | vy: you probably are looking for nullmailer or similar, which can route mail delivered locally to a single account, and mail destined to remote locations to a smarthost |
| 16:59.10 | fcn | does squeeze have grub or grub-2? |
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| 16:59.18 | dondelelcaro | fcn: grub2 |
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| 16:59.34 | fcn | dondelelcaro: thanks |
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| 17:00.12 | vy | dondelelcaro: Hrm... Yup, nullmailer appears to be what I'm looking for. Let me check that. Thanks. |
| 17:00.26 | jhutchins_lt | rafaelsoaresbr: The update DVD contains packages that have been updated since the original DVD's were released. |
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| 17:00.32 | dondelelcaro | vy: np; it's what I use on almost evrything |
| 17:00.46 | rafaelsoaresbr | DVD1-5-504 and DVD1-5-506 aren't the same, allright. So, I think I need to download only dedian-update-i386-506 |
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| 17:01.03 | jhutchins_lt | rafaelsoaresbr: Programs like apt-zip, apt-offline and apt-walkabout will allow you to customize the downloads and allow you to get the most current packages, which may be newer than the update DVD. |
| 17:01.23 | fcn | is there an option during install to change bootloader to grub? |
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| 17:01.53 | fcn | (instead of grub2) |
| 17:02.08 | dondelelcaro | fcn: you pretty much want grub2 |
| 17:02.20 | dondelelcaro | but yes, it's possible to install grub-legacy |
| 17:03.07 | fcn | why do i? i just can't figure it out. |
| 17:03.29 | rafaelsoaresbr | jhutchins_lt, CutMeOwnThroat, stew, thanks |
| 17:03.42 | dondelelcaro | fcn: because grub isn't maintained anymore, and that's where almost all of the bug fixes, support for more modern filesystems, etc. are going |
| 17:04.13 | dondelelcaro | fcn: it's not that complicated, either; there are configuration files in /etc/grub.d/ which produce the /boot/grub/grub.cfg which grub reads |
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| 17:04.52 | fcn | dondelelcaro: thanks again |
| 17:04.59 | fcn | checking now |
| 17:05.26 | jhutchins_lt | fcn: Thank you for helping to test squeeze. |
| 17:05.26 | tharkun | Gentlemen good morning, I have one mail server i setted up some time ago. I was naive enought to believe that a selfsigned would hold its ground. Another mistake was that i made postfix and dovecote share the same certificate. The time has come to renew this certificates. Isuing two certificates with two common names (mta.somedomain.tld) (pop3.somedomain.tld) on the same machine would work. Or the certificate should be isued to the cannonical name of the m |
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| 17:06.29 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: There are a lot of different philosophies about certificates, but for most people the subtle microdifferences don't matter. |
| 17:06.41 | fcn | jhutchins_lt: Thanks developers for all the hard work. |
| 17:06.43 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: One certificate with the cannonical name is fine. |
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| 17:08.17 | tharkun | jhutchins_lt: The isue is that the settup might be split on the near future and the process of getting a new certificate is quite long. So if the two certificate schema works then splitting the setup would be trivial |
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| 17:09.01 | mr | hi |
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| 17:20.18 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: Sounds like you've got it figured then. |
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| 17:21.54 | tharkun | jhutchins_lt: well :D Actually i had this doubt about the certificates. Since the dns entries have slowly moved from beeing hardware oriented to beeing service oriented |
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| 17:29.50 | rafaelsoaresbr | I am using debian dvds in sources.list (it includes lenny, main and contrib packages), how to add only non-free? |
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| 17:31.11 | rafaelsoaresbr | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ non-free ? |
| 17:33.00 | lamah | for how long is frozen squeeze? |
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| 17:34.06 | stew | lamah: since August |
| 17:34.15 | stew | lamah: until its released, when its ready |
| 17:34.48 | beardy | Slightly after that. |
| 17:34.58 | lamah | i know |
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| 17:35.08 | lamah | but i mean for 2010 or 2011 |
| 17:35.27 | lamah | stew: :) |
| 17:35.32 | stew | lamah: nobody knows how long it will take |
| 17:35.50 | lamah | only the president of debian |
| 17:35.52 | lamah | :))) |
| 17:36.08 | stew | lamah: if you mean the debian project leader, then no, he knows less than others |
| 17:36.40 | gravity | grins |
| 17:37.06 | tharkun | stew: Does that sound like a coup de 'etat ? |
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| 17:37.17 | stew | tharkun: no, that sounds like effective delegation |
| 17:37.45 | tharkun | :D |
| 17:37.55 | stew | to the release team, who would know better, and (along with waiting on bugfixes) are waiting on a RC installer |
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| 17:39.47 | vy | dondelelcaro: nullmailer binary (sendmail) is located in /usr/sbin, but my rss2email looks for a sendmail binary. Any ideas? |
| 17:39.56 | MagusOTB | Is there a software method to disable sun servers from exiting to PROM when they get a BREAK over the serial terminal with linux? |
| 17:40.30 | dondelelcaro | vy: it should be calling /usr/lib/sendmail, which is what nullmailer installs |
| 17:41.07 | dondelelcaro | vy: if it's not calling /usr/lib/sendmail, it's a bit broken. (that's what the FHS requires) |
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| 17:42.17 | lamah | stew: yes:) |
| 17:42.24 | lamah | stew: who is the debian project leader? |
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| 17:43.08 | jhutchins_lt | lamah: http://wiki.debian.org |
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| 17:43.55 | lamah | Stefano Zacchiroli |
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| 17:52.21 | smooph | Hi people ... I am looking for a command that lets me install everything from one specific repository ... like apt-get install --from-repository=x * |
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| 17:52.32 | smooph | is there something like this |
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| 17:53.17 | themill | smooph: what are you *really* trying to do? |
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| 17:58.12 | smooph | trying to install everything from a repository which I added to apt |
| 17:58.33 | smooph | pretty much what I said ;) |
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| 17:59.03 | jordanm | aptitude install ~A<archive> |
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| 18:00.42 | smooph | not really |
| 18:00.57 | smooph | I don't have 30000 files in that rep |
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| 18:02.25 | AnthLee | smooph disable all other repos in synaptic temporarily update then mark everything left in synaptic |
| 18:02.33 | jordanm | is the archive named the same as another? |
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| 18:02.45 | AnthLee | thats the only way I can think of atm |
| 18:02.52 | jordanm | eg. you also named your local repo "stable" |
| 18:03.01 | smooph | AnthLee: tried that ... problem is the packages depend on packages from the standard repos |
| 18:03.15 | jordanm | AnthLee: aptitude aqccepts ~A (archive) |
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| 18:04.00 | smooph | sure but wants to install everything |
| 18:04.28 | smooph | cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/kdepim-e35.list |
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| 18:04.53 | smooph | deb http://files.kolab.org/apt/ubuntu/ lucid experimental |
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| 18:05.12 | smooph | how would you do that |
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| 18:05.39 | stew | smooph: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 18:05.48 | smooph | aptitude ~A experimental ? |
| 18:06.06 | jordanm | !ubuntu |
| 18:06.06 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 18:06.15 | smooph | stew: please go yourself ... this is not a ubuntu specific problem |
| 18:06.18 | jordanm | gah, my shell is running like crap today |
| 18:06.29 | stew | smooph: don't run ubuntu packages on debian |
| 18:06.32 | jordanm | smooph: doesn't matter. not supported here |
| 18:06.42 | stew | smooph: if you are running debian, this is a bad idea |
| 18:06.56 | smooph | apt is not supported ? |
| 18:07.04 | stew | smooph: ubuntu not supported |
| 18:07.28 | smooph | nobody said anything about ubuntu |
| 18:08.08 | jordanm | wonders if he is getting DOS'ed |
| 18:08.11 | jhutchins_lt | smooph: Please use your brain. Advice on how to install software on debian will most likely end up completely trashing your ubuntu install. |
| 18:08.27 | jhutchins_lt | smooph: Ubuntu apt is not Debian apt, it just has the same name. It is NOT the same software. |
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| 18:09.05 | stew | smooph: if you are using debian, you shouldn't be installing ubuntu packages compiled for lucid, if you are using ubuntu, you are in the wrong channel. please don't argue this point any longer. if you can't get help from #ubuntu, try ##linux |
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| 18:09.09 | smooph | ok than the repository is called deb http://files.kolab.org/apt/squezze/ lucid experimental |
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| 18:09.19 | abrotman | smooph: please go to #ubuntu, Ubuntu is NOT supported here |
| 18:09.35 | gravity | sighs |
| 18:09.43 | jordanm | you are a) running ubuntu b( using ubuntu repos |
| 18:09.49 | abrotman | gravity: do you want ubuntu support too? :) |
| 18:09.58 | MagusOTB | Anybody know how to make a sun machine not drop to PROM when it gets a BREAK over the serial console? |
| 18:10.05 | gravity | abrotman: DESPERATELY! WHY DON'T YOU ALL HELP ME!?!? |
| 18:10.09 | abrotman | heh |
| 18:10.27 | abrotman | gravity: your deception failed .. you spelled "desperately" correctly :) |
| 18:10.31 | gravity | hahaha |
| 18:11.01 | AnthLee | personally I find that packages compiled for ubuntu work real well on debian =/ |
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| 18:11.14 | abrotman | DING! .. new FLW |
| 18:11.16 | smooph | nobody wants to know that |
| 18:11.18 | jordanm | either way, its not supported here. please move over to proper channel |
| 18:11.49 | smooph | how can i install all packages from one specific repostitory ? |
| 18:11.51 | abrotman | !flw64 |
| 18:11.51 | dpkg | <AnthLee> personally I find that packages compiled for ubuntu work real well on debian =/ |
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| 18:12.10 | AnthLee | flw? |
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| 18:12.29 | eviltoaster | is it possible to use the command "open" in bash? and how? |
| 18:12.50 | abrotman | AnthLee: Famous Last Words |
| 18:12.56 | AnthLee | haha |
| 18:13.06 | AnthLee | been doing it for years on lenny and never broke anything |
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| 18:13.19 | dondelelcaro | eviltoaster: uh... what do you expect open to do? |
| 18:13.25 | MagusOTB | I tried it once, and it broke all kinds of things. You must be lucky |
| 18:14.00 | AnthLee | Magus trick is to install only things that 1 aren't in debian and 2 have very few dependencies |
| 18:14.11 | gravity | I've rebuilt ubuntu packages from source for debian once or twice. That works ok. |
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| 18:14.29 | gravity | But... only attempt this at home if willing to do the maintainance yourself. |
| 18:14.29 | MagusOTB | Yeah, building from source is more or less the same as just using make, isn't it? |
| 18:14.47 | gravity | um... sorta. |
| 18:14.54 | jhutchins_lt | AnthLee: It may have worked for you, but it's not a good idea to tell the clumsy and naieve that unless YOU are prepared to pick up the pieces. |
| 18:14.57 | gravity | In the way you're thinking, probably. |
| 18:15.57 | jhutchins_lt | open appears to be a command available in the console, therefore it is likely quite possible that it can be used. |
| 18:15.57 | AnthLee | jhutchins_lt, yes well not like I would recommend it for everyone but if they wanna learn something making the system crash and burn is a good method |
| 18:16.05 | jordanm | MagusOTB:there is a sparc specific debian channel that may be more helpful for that |
| 18:16.14 | jhutchins_lt | AnthLee: Experience is proportional to data destroyed. |
| 18:16.19 | rafaelsoaresbr | how to install kde without installing lots of stuff? |
| 18:16.20 | gravity | suspects that eviltoaster wants gnome-open or something similar |
| 18:16.21 | MagusOTB | jordanm: what is it? |
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| 18:16.35 | eviltoaster | dondelelcaro, im trying to understand "linux socket programming by example" :) |
| 18:16.39 | jhutchins_lt | rafaelsoaresbr: kde IS lots of stuff. |
| 18:16.40 | AnthLee | jhutchins_lt, thats not a big issue with live cds around thankfully |
| 18:16.55 | gravity | Ah, then no, definitely not gnome-open |
| 18:17.07 | AnthLee | jhutchins_lt, I have done some horrible things to my installs learning stuff |
| 18:17.10 | eviltoaster | gravity, :) |
| 18:17.26 | rafaelsoaresbr | jhutchins_lt, I know, hehe, but how to install the minimal? |
| 18:17.37 | gravity | eviltoaster: A python (or similar) repl may be a good way to get what you want? |
| 18:17.54 | jhutchins_lt | open starts a program in a new VT. |
| 18:18.00 | jordanm | !tell MagusOTB about sparc |
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| 18:19.36 | jordanm | famous last words |
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| 18:19.43 | gravity | heh |
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| 18:20.09 | tharkun | Gentlemen sorry to bug on Openoffice when autocompleting pressing tab rotated through different choices, What key is supposed to be now ? (Squeeze install) |
| 18:20.26 | rafaelsoaresbr | jhutchins_lt, because installing "Desktop KDE" metapackage install lot of stuffs. |
| 18:20.48 | jhutchins_lt | rafaelsoaresbr: Well, there's a good reason for that, but you can try kde-base. |
| 18:20.56 | eviltoaster | so open and openvt is the same thing? |
| 18:21.15 | jhutchins_lt | eviltoaster: In this context yes. |
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| 18:21.32 | rafaelsoaresbr | jhutchins_lt, thanks |
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| 18:22.17 | gabrielcz | Hi all there... QUESTION: monit: if failed icmp type echo count 10 with timeout 30 seconds what is that exacly means? |
| 18:22.57 | gabrielcz | it send 10 pings on 30 seconds? if no answer, notify? |
| 18:24.08 | poisonbit | it starts a counter for icmp tests, and rund icmp tests with 30 seconds timeout, it 10 tests (for 30 seconds) fail, then notify |
| 18:24.14 | poisonbit | 10 * 30 |
| 18:24.23 | poisonbit | I think |
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| 18:25.55 | chovy | what's the easiest way to setup my home debian box to send email? |
| 18:26.01 | scrieler | can't load debian on my vm, stops by grub loading... tried this on a new windows install with a new hdd, can this problem be because the new hdd? |
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| 18:26.35 | Tyzao | i downloaded windows7 in debian |
| 18:26.41 | llutz | !nullmailer | chovy: |
| 18:26.44 | Tyzao | and i installed win |
| 18:26.46 | Tyzao | oops |
| 18:26.47 | Tyzao | wine |
| 18:26.57 | Tyzao | how can i burn the installation to a dvd |
| 18:27.09 | Tyzao | do i have to install something to use in wine? |
| 18:27.13 | Tyzao | and then burn it? |
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| 18:28.29 | Tyzao | hello |
| 18:28.38 | paradigm | Tyzao: you shouldn't need WINE to burn a DVD |
| 18:28.44 | stew | Tyzao: you are trying to make a windows7 install dvd? |
| 18:28.50 | Tyzao | yes |
| 18:29.02 | Tyzao | the installer needed wine to download |
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| 18:29.18 | paradigm | do you have a *.ISO file? |
| 18:29.50 | stew | Tyzao: microsift has downloadable installers now? |
| 18:29.50 | paradigm | what is the file extension of the win7 you downloaded? |
| 18:30.01 | Tyzao | i'm not exactly sure, cause Im not sure how to look at it |
| 18:30.13 | stew | Tyzao: this really seems like something you should be asking microsoft for technical support about |
| 18:30.15 | Tyzao | only the folder appears in wine |
| 18:30.16 | abrotman | stew: MSDN does have ISOs |
| 18:30.31 | paradigm | Tyzao: do you have a terminal open? |
| 18:30.37 | Tyzao | i see the folder but not the file |
| 18:30.48 | Tyzao | its in c:\temp |
| 18:30.53 | abrotman | Tyzao: where did you download Win7 from ? |
| 18:31.11 | Tyzao | from MSDN for free as part of my TU Berlin account |
| 18:31.23 | paradigm | Tyzao: first open a terminal and I can help you search for the file |
| 18:31.29 | abrotman | Tyzao: there are many apps in debian than burn an ISO |
| 18:31.30 | Tyzao | kul |
| 18:31.35 | paradigm | got one open? |
| 18:31.37 | Tyzao | oh very nice |
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| 18:31.57 | Tyzao | i have the root open |
| 18:32.15 | paradigm | type "find ~/.wine -name temp" |
| 18:32.24 | jordanm | gabrielcz: it failed to ping something |
| 18:32.27 | paradigm | and it should find where C:\temp is located |
| 18:33.14 | Tyzao | it says no such file or directory |
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| 18:33.19 | paradigm | uh-oh |
| 18:33.20 | paradigm | hmm |
| 18:33.24 | joe_ed | path? |
| 18:33.40 | joe_ed | PATH |
| 18:33.51 | abrotman | it would be Temp most likely .. |
| 18:34.00 | Tyzao | when i use the wine configuration, add applications it appears there |
| 18:34.00 | paradigm | Tyzao: try again with a capital T |
| 18:34.01 | jordanm | chovy: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 18:34.10 | paradigm | type "find ~/.wine -name Temp" |
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| 18:34.28 | stew | the error was that ~/.wine doesn't exist, but he failed to paste the entire error |
| 18:34.44 | paradigm | ahh |
| 18:34.50 | Tyzao | find: `/root/.wine': No such file or directory |
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| 18:35.18 | paradigm | type "find / -name .wine" |
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| 18:35.21 | Tyzao | but you are right the Temp is capitalized |
| 18:35.22 | paradigm | lets find wine first |
| 18:35.29 | Tyzao | ok |
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| 18:35.38 | jordanm | chovy: setuop relay to a smarthost, where the smarthost is the email with your ISP or gmail |
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| 18:36.01 | Tyzao | i typed find .wine and it returns all sorts of stuff |
| 18:36.24 | paradigm | lets try this: find / -name "*.wine" -type d |
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| 18:36.32 | Tyzao | .wine/drive_c/Tempn.wine/drive_c/Temp/Windows 7 Professional (x86) - DVD (English)n.wine/drive_c/Temp/Windows 7 Professional (x86) - DVD (English)/en_windows_7_pro |
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| 18:36.57 | paradigm | that seems like what we're looking for |
| 18:37.00 | paradigm | can you 'cd' to the directory? |
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| 18:37.31 | g00se | Where does iceweasel get its printer config from? Unlike other apps on my system, printing is completely borked |
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| 18:37.34 | jordanm | Tyzao: you just need to burn the debian ISO in windows? use cdburnerxp |
| 18:37.48 | stew | jordanm: he needs to burn the windows iso in debian |
| 18:37.48 | paradigm | jordanm: he doesn't know where the ISO is yet... or if it's an ISO |
| 18:37.53 | Tyzao | ah theres an iso there |
| 18:37.55 | Tyzao | i see it now |
| 18:38.17 | paradigm | Tyzao: okay, now we need a program to burn it. There's a number of options, not really familiar with any of them. |
| 18:38.33 | Tyzao | just a sec |
| 18:38.35 | paradigm | 'gnomebaker' is the only I remember off the top of my head, not sure if it's the best choice or not but it should work |
| 18:38.48 | jhutchins_lt | k3b ftw |
| 18:38.58 | paradigm | or k3b, sure |
| 18:39.08 | jhutchins_lt | cdrecord, growisofs |
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| 18:39.34 | paradigm | dd works too, technically |
| 18:39.39 | paradigm | wouldn't recommend it |
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| 18:40.48 | jordanm | you could just use -name |
| 18:40.57 | Tyzao | i think Im there |
| 18:41.49 | paradigm | now we need to get a DVD burning program |
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| 18:42.12 | Tyzao | Im in drive_c/Temp |
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| 18:42.24 | jordanm | gah, i fail, -iname |
| 18:42.32 | Tyzao | but prob I need to change to the folder Windows 7 Professional (x86) - DVD (English) |
| 18:42.37 | paradigm | install 'gnomebaker' (or another program if you prefer) |
| 18:42.42 | Tyzao | but when I cd I cant get there |
| 18:42.52 | paradigm | it's okay for now |
| 18:42.56 | Tyzao | ok |
| 18:44.01 | jordanm | +1 k3b, not a kde user either.... its just better |
| 18:44.14 | paradigm | jordanm: if you awnt to walk him through insatlling with that, it's fine with me |
| 18:44.41 | Tyzao | ok |
| 18:44.52 | paradigm | now run 'gnomebaker' as root |
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| 18:45.08 | paradigm | go to tools -> burn dvd |
| 18:45.15 | Tyzao | ok |
| 18:45.24 | paradigm | now in there you need to find the .ISO file |
| 18:45.26 | sedulous | Tyzao would have been banned from ##linux by now. "We don't support piracy." |
| 18:45.34 | sedulous | (happened recently ;) |
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| 18:45.47 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: cdrecord is really wodim |
| 18:45.47 | paradigm | sedulous: I think he got it through MS legally |
| 18:45.47 | sedulous | paradigm: I know |
| 18:45.47 | Tyzao | i have a license |
| 18:45.49 | paradigm | ahh, gotcha |
| 18:46.01 | paradigm | well I jsut feel guilty helping someone get from Debian to Windows |
| 18:46.05 | paradigm | I usually try to go the other way |
| 18:46.13 | jhutchins_lt | sedulous: That may be, but he appears to be doing something legitimate. |
| 18:46.25 | sedulous | jhutchins_lt: I don't doubt that at all |
| 18:46.34 | sedulous | has an MSDNAA account as well |
| 18:46.37 | jhutchins_lt | sedulous: Ah, you're just saying ##linux is touchy. |
| 18:46.41 | sedulous | yes |
| 18:46.46 | hyperzid | What is a good grafical ftp client? |
| 18:46.59 | sedulous | hyperzid: FileZilla is okayish, also FireFTP (Firefox addon) |
| 18:47.06 | jhutchins_lt | konqueror |
| 18:47.15 | jordanm | there are license issues with the real cdrecord |
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| 18:47.18 | jhutchins_lt | Tyzao: Working? |
| 18:47.22 | Kaizen | tunnelier is the best sftp client |
| 18:47.24 | MrFrood | hyperzid: try gftp-gtk |
| 18:47.28 | Kaizen | will run on wine |
| 18:48.01 | hyperzid | I've used filezilla before.. on windows :-) |
| 18:48.03 | hyperzid | thanks |
| 18:48.46 | Tyzao | i opened the cd/dvd creator |
| 18:48.51 | sedulous | both debian and ubuntu have it in their repositories, hyperzid |
| 18:48.53 | Tyzao | but how to find the file |
| 18:49.06 | paradigm | Tyzao: did you go to 'tools -> burn DVD image' yet/ |
| 18:49.08 | paradigm | ? |
| 18:49.16 | jhutchins_lt | Tyzao: Step through the same path you did before. |
| 18:49.33 | jhutchins_lt | ~/.wine/c_drive/windows/temp |
| 18:49.44 | Tyzao | i dont have under system tools |
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| 18:50.11 | paradigm | Tyzao: you can launch gnomebaker from the terminal |
| 18:50.19 | paradigm | I believe you need to go root first thuogh, or sudo |
| 18:50.33 | paradigm | don't think you can burn to a disk without root |
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| 18:51.06 | lenswipe | hey guys |
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| 18:51.11 | paradigm | hey you |
| 18:51.22 | lenswipe | paradigm, lmao |
| 18:51.23 | paradigm | <3 |
| 18:51.50 | lenswipe | im running windows server 2003 in a VM under debian |
| 18:51.57 | lenswipe | but i cant get it to grab the mouse and keyboard |
| 18:51.58 | lenswipe | can someone help? |
| 18:52.08 | paradigm | virtualbox? |
| 18:52.17 | Tyzao | ok im installing gnomebaker now |
| 18:52.22 | paradigm | Tyzao: okay |
| 18:52.44 | Kaizen | lenswipe which vm ? |
| 18:52.59 | lenswipe | Kaizen, oracle virtualbox |
| 18:53.04 | Kaizen | lenswipe did you install the addons? |
| 18:53.16 | lenswipe | Kaizen, no, i dont know how or what addons to install |
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| 18:53.19 | lenswipe | or where to get them |
| 18:53.19 | Kaizen | lenswipe guest additions |
| 18:53.29 | lenswipe | where do i get them and how do i install them? |
| 18:53.33 | Kaizen | lenswipe click on device menu |
| 18:53.41 | Kaizen | lenswipe they are built-in |
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| 18:54.09 | lenswipe | okay |
| 18:54.11 | lenswipe | i just clicked that |
| 18:54.14 | paradigm | lenswipe: it acts like you just mounted a CD in the VM |
| 18:54.15 | lenswipe | and its still not working |
| 18:54.19 | lenswipe | do i need to reboot the VM |
| 18:54.22 | paradigm | not yet |
| 18:54.24 | Kaizen | lenswipe now you have to install them |
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| 18:54.28 | paradigm | now go do the windows thing to get to a CD |
| 18:54.30 | Tyzao | GnomeBaker doesnt find wine |
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| 18:54.36 | lenswipe | Kaizen, ... |
| 18:54.39 | paradigm | Tyzao: hit 'ctrl-h' |
| 18:54.42 | paradigm | to show hidden files |
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| 18:55.29 | jhutchins_lt | Tyzao: it's .wine, which hides it. |
| 18:55.35 | Tyzao | whew |
| 18:55.40 | paradigm | Tyzao: I gotta head out, good luck, hopefully someone else can take oer |
| 18:55.41 | Tyzao | got it |
| 18:55.43 | paradigm | yay! |
| 18:55.44 | Kaizen | lenswipe try using the built-in rdp |
| 18:55.59 | Tyzao | then just burn |
| 18:56.01 | Tyzao | ? |
| 18:56.07 | jhutchins_lt | Tyzao: Should be. |
| 18:56.11 | lenswipe | Kaizen, its still not working |
| 18:56.15 | jhutchins_lt | Tyzao: Probably want to verify when complete. |
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| 18:56.50 | lenswipe | Kaizen, when i click the button to install guest addons i get this message: http://imagebin.ca/view/dkWbOh.html |
| 18:57.00 | Tyzao | ok burning |
| 18:58.08 | lenswipe | Kaizen, any thoughts on that? |
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| 18:59.16 | jordanm | aptitude install k3b |
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| 18:59.34 | Kaizen | lenswipe run linux instead? |
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| 18:59.52 | lenswipe | Kaizen, i am running linux, why do you think im hr |
| 18:59.54 | lenswipe | here* |
| 19:00.02 | Kaizen | lenswipe in the VM i mean |
| 19:00.17 | lenswipe | Kaizen, well when linux starts supporting win32 applications ill think about it |
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| 19:00.25 | Kaizen | lenswipe i have installed 2003 server in a vm with no probs, that's weird |
| 19:00.25 | lenswipe | until that time im forced to use winshit server |
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| 19:00.54 | jordanm | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:00.58 | Kaizen | lenswipe what app do you need so badly on 2k3? |
| 19:01.22 | lenswipe | Kaizen, i need to run fl studio and virtual DJ, and ws2k3 is the only win32 OS i have to hand |
| 19:02.32 | jordanm | hyperzid: filezilla |
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| 19:03.25 | lenswipe | Kaizen, it just worked then |
| 19:03.27 | lenswipe | for a breif second |
| 19:04.09 | jordanm | can konqueror do upload? |
| 19:04.11 | lenswipe | Kaizen, now i have a more fundamental problem with this, i cant get it working but i have to press ctrl + alt + del to login, which uncaptures the pointer |
| 19:04.16 | lenswipe | Kaizen, any suggestions |
| 19:04.37 | Kaizen | lenswipe host+del or use menu |
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| 19:04.55 | Kaizen | lenswipe machine menu sends ctrl-alt-del |
| 19:05.12 | lenswipe | Kaizen, o/ |
| 19:05.13 | lenswipe | thx] |
| 19:05.13 | lenswipe | <3 |
| 19:05.20 | Tyzao | ok lets see if it works now |
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| 19:05.42 | Kaizen | i love vbox, it's so awesome |
| 19:05.47 | jhutchins_lt | Tyzao: Good luck, keep us posted. |
| 19:06.04 | Tyzao | im installing on a mac |
| 19:06.09 | Kaizen | and i love debian server, my web server is so fast now i got rid of that ubuntu crap |
| 19:07.23 | Kaizen | maybe i'll try the debian desktop |
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| 19:07.46 | jordanm | filezilla also does sftp no need for wine |
| 19:08.04 | Tyzao | how can i check the dvd? |
| 19:08.31 | jhutchins_lt | Tyzao: Well, the burning program should have offered that as an option. Do you have an md5sum for the iso? |
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| 19:09.44 | Tyzao | i dont think so |
| 19:10.06 | Tyzao | the cd tray just ejected |
| 19:11.03 | jordanm | paradigm: root is not requird, just need to be in the cdrom group |
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| 19:12.41 | jordanm | lenswipe: see: #myvmsoftware |
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| 19:13.58 | Tyzao | i opened the cd in mac and there is just a file there |
| 19:14.18 | Tyzao | windows_7_prof.iso |
| 19:14.20 | jordanm | eg. #vbox |
| 19:14.28 | lenswipe | jordanm, i fixed it :D |
| 19:14.39 | Tyzao | crap |
| 19:14.42 | jhutchins | Tyzao: Oops. |
| 19:14.45 | jhutchins | Tyzao: Coaster. |
| 19:14.49 | Tyzao | hahaahahaa |
| 19:15.04 | Tyzao | i thought that thing was for my coffee |
| 19:15.21 | Tyzao | is it cd image or dvd image? |
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| 19:15.35 | jhutchins | Tyzao: Actually, if you're in gnome, you should be able to browse to the iso and double click on it, which should launch the burner with the correct settings. |
| 19:15.52 | Tyzao | i see |
| 19:16.17 | jhutchins | Tyzao: doesn''t matter, what you did is create a data CD image that included the existing image. You need to use the iso as the image, and I don't know the exact menu steps for that in gnome. |
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| 19:17.49 | Tyzao | yeah what i did was really stupid |
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| 19:18.22 | joe_ed | hello I just got the chat loaded on this new ubuntu. |
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| 19:19.04 | Tyzao | but it should prompt to check the cd or something? |
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| 19:19.16 | Tyzao | cause a collegue made one and it seemed to have a problem |
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| 19:21.48 | joe_ed | is there an option to stop the display of the quits/joins? |
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| 19:21.56 | paradigm | jordanm: thanks, didn't realize that. Learn something new every day :D |
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| 19:26.12 | joe_ed | hello |
| 19:26.51 | joe_ed | new just got this working. where are the instructions? |
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| 19:27.08 | dondelelcaro | joe_ed: what do you want to do? |
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| 19:27.16 | themill | joe_ed: you want to start with /join #ubuntu |
| 19:27.33 | joe_ed | I tried that and hit a floodbot. |
| 19:27.34 | jordanm | vbox has a support channel... |
| 19:28.25 | jhutchins | joe_ed: This channel appears to be pre-configured by mistake again. Which client are you running, and which version of Ubuntu? |
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| 19:28.57 | Tyzao | ok that works |
| 19:29.31 | jhutchins | Tyzao: There might be an "Options" tab or something that will check the CD. |
| 19:29.33 | gabrielcz | question about location of the servers... |
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| 19:29.44 | jhutchins | joe_ed: Still there? |
| 19:29.51 | gabrielcz | I rent a server for mumble server on spain... |
| 19:30.04 | gabrielcz | but the company give to me the server and it located on france |
| 19:30.05 | gabrielcz | :( |
| 19:30.13 | gabrielcz | any chance to change that? |
| 19:30.25 | abrotman | gabrielcz: you want #debian to physically move your server? |
| 19:30.28 | gabrielcz | I would like to show spain flag on mumble public serverlist |
| 19:30.30 | jhutchins | gabrielcz: We wouldn't know, ask the people you rent the server from. |
| 19:30.48 | joe_ed | Thanks for the help. I'm using xchat on linux. |
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| 19:31.20 | angel-tsankov | where can I find information about group staff and the purpose of /usr/local |
| 19:31.28 | jhutchins | Which version of ubuntu, and which version of xchat? |
| 19:31.31 | gabrielcz | sry, mistaken windows |
| 19:31.35 | Tyzao | ill check |
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| 19:31.58 | karlpinc | !tell angel-tsankov about fhs |
| 19:32.03 | themill | angel-tsankov: /usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.txt.gz |
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| 19:32.34 | joe_ed | I'm not sure. I just loaded the ubuntu recently and just activated the xchat. |
| 19:33.20 | jhutchins | Ok, under "Help" there should be an "About" item that will give you the xchat version. |
| 19:34.31 | jordanm | md5sum? |
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| 19:34.53 | joe_ed | xchat 2.8.6 |
| 19:35.13 | Tyzao | its working |
| 19:35.29 | themill | joe_ed: #ubuntu is only available to registered users at the moment. The bots in #ubuntu-unregged will help you get into the channel, or ask in #freenode, or /msg nickserv help register |
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| 19:36.27 | jelly-home | joe_ed: ask in #ubuntu or #xchat. Also, right click on the channel name in the channel tree (or channel button in the channel tabs buttons), Settings -> Hide join/part messages |
| 19:37.02 | jhutchins | themill: Trying to find out which ubuntu package is misconfigured so we can bugreport it. |
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| 19:37.07 | jelly-home | doesn't know which channel selector ubuntu's xchat uses by default |
| 19:37.36 | themill | jhutchins: I don't believe there is a misconfiguration. He's just lost. |
| 19:38.11 | jelly-home | jhutchins: if you mean autojoining #debian, that was fixed in recent U. releases |
| 19:38.57 | Tyzao | debian or ubuntu? |
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| 19:40.01 | Tyzao | MySQL or Postgres? |
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| 19:40.19 | jhutchins | jelly-home: Apparently not, it keeps happening. |
| 19:40.39 | dondelelcaro | Tyzao: this is #debian, so Debian. the other question isn't on topic here |
| 19:40.48 | themill | jhutchins: no it doesn't. Perhaps we can move this to #debian-offtopic? |
| 19:42.11 | joshb | sorry for being lazy, but is there some simple command to upgrade from Lenny to Squeeze if you have an open I'net connection ? |
| 19:42.15 | Tyzao | ah thats right sorry |
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| 19:42.51 | joshb | like 'aptitude "fix me up with squeeze and shut up about it"' |
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| 19:44.51 | jelly-home | joshb: no, but read /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 19:45.04 | joshb | thank! |
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| 19:45.14 | joshb | *s |
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| 19:45.53 | jelly-home | joshb: the process is likely to require some manual intervention |
| 19:46.22 | joshb | ah, as long as it's a few install questions it should be sweet |
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| 19:46.58 | Cheets | Hi, is there a way in debian to trigger the postinstall script of a package again ? |
| 19:47.13 | sodhi | How do I make my FTP user upload with public read rights? To enable my user to view /var/www/domain.tld/ I had to give the domain +wrx (I assume this is correct?) but when I upload files I still have to manually chmod them. |
| 19:47.23 | dondelelcaro | Cheets: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 19:47.48 | joshb | btw, couldn't get the X screen dimension right under lenny on the Acer Aspire One D260-Pu, tried a few xorg.conf tweaks but no luck (seems a driver issue) |
| 19:48.11 | Cheets | dondelelcaro: set up strongswan |
| 19:48.11 | dondelelcaro | joshb: was the right dimensions listed with xrandr? |
| 19:48.24 | joshb | dondelelcaro: no |
| 19:48.28 | dondelelcaro | Cheets: if you want to reconfigure something, run dpkg-reconfigure strongswan; |
| 19:48.34 | Cheets | awesome dondelelcaro |
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| 19:49.54 | gravity | joshb: Report a bug against the driver. It probably just needs a quirk. |
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| 19:50.11 | joshb | gravity: maybe, but i know too little to dare waste their time with stupid reports |
| 19:50.11 | ZitZ | hi everyone, i'm using nmap to list ips on my lan, how do i get it to list hostnames too? |
| 19:50.46 | ElDeablo | Boa tarde! |
| 19:51.17 | gravity | joshb: If xrandr doesn't list the correct resolution, that's a real bug. The fix should be simple. |
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| 19:51.21 | jhutchins | joshb: Actually, if the interface is too obtuse for you to figure it out, that's a valid bug. |
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| 19:51.50 | gravity | jhutchins: That's not really the bug in this case. It should Just Work. |
| 19:52.27 | undecim | is rc.local run before or after daemons are started? |
| 19:52.35 | jhutchins | gravity: Yeah. If there's more to it than that, something's wrong. |
| 19:52.49 | dondelelcaro | undecim: it's run when S99rc.local is run |
| 19:52.52 | joshb | jhutchins: i agree |
| 19:53.26 | jhutchins | ,versions xchat |
| 19:53.28 | judd | Package xchat on i386 -- etch: 2.6.8-0.3; lenny: 2.8.6-2.1; sid: 2.8.8-1; squeeze: 2.8.8-1; experimental: 2.8.8-2 |
| 19:53.31 | joshb | gravity: i could run a few commands on this Aspire/Lenny if you like |
| 19:53.54 | joshb | gravity: jhutchins: /* maybe we can find out what it is then (?) |
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| 19:54.31 | gravity | joshb: If you type xrandr and the right mode doesn't show up in the list, then the bug is that you need a quirk for your setup. End of story. |
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| 19:54.38 | joshb | jhutchins: (I agree -> obtuse interface is a bit problematic, but probably just me i guess |
| 19:54.47 | gravity | I'm not sure why this is being made to be more complicated than it is. |
| 19:55.07 | gravity | Since Xorg finally has a good mechanism for handling quirks, people are happy to use it. |
| 19:56.00 | gravity | Maybe I'm too out of date on the upstream developments, but somehow I doubt it here. |
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| 19:58.34 | joshb | gravity: i typed xrandr in a root terminal in Gnome/Aspire One/Lenny -> 800x600 & 640x480 it listed, needs 1024x600 though |
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| 19:59.17 | jhutchins | joshb: Sounds like you might be runningn the vesa driver instead of the right one for your chipset. |
| 19:59.32 | joshb | jhutchins: correct |
| 19:59.42 | joshb | jhutchins: xorg.conf has "vesa" |
| 19:59.53 | jhutchins | joshb: Why are you using xorg.conf? |
| 20:00.04 | gravity | urgh |
| 20:00.07 | joshb | jhutchins: because i have no idea what else i guess |
| 20:00.36 | joshb | jhutchins: what else is there ? |
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| 20:01.02 | jhutchins | joshb: You're on lenny, right? |
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| 20:01.06 | joshb | Gnome looks great btw |
| 20:02.06 | joshb | jhutchins: Acer Aspire One D260-Pu (netbook), Lenny, network open (wire) |
| 20:02.46 | joshb | though i'd liked the flow-over screens of fvwm2 |
| 20:02.54 | jhutchins | joshb: First, you should probably try movign/renaming xorg.conf and letting X autoconfigure. If that doesn't work, use lshw or lspci to find your chipset, google xorg <chipset> to find out what driver to use for it and set that up. |
| 20:03.18 | joshb | jhutchins: sounds like i'm better of trying Squeeze |
| 20:03.28 | jhutchins | joshb: Pretty sure gnome can do that too, "virtual desktop" |
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| 20:03.43 | joshb | jhutchins: i'll try that, thx |
| 20:04.02 | jhutchins | joshb: No, you're better off fixing lenny. Once you know how to fix lenny, you'll be ready to fix squeeze when (not if) it breaks. |
| 20:04.31 | jhutchins | joshb: Squeeze is known to have bugs due to the "progress" being made in xorg. |
| 20:05.08 | joshb | jhutchins: ok |
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| 20:05.33 | joshb | jhutchins: maybe i should wait with squeeze until it stabilizes |
| 20:05.46 | jhutchins | joshb: That said, there are a few chipsets where you need the newer xorg, and squeeze is your only option. |
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| 20:06.05 | jhutchins | joshb: No harm in trying the simple procedure above and fixing lenny. |
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| 20:07.21 | joshb | jhutchins: i think X auto-configured during installation, so that doesn't work, already tried without xorg.conf, trying to find chipset |
| 20:08.33 | gravity | joshb: What happens without xorg.conf? Same thing? |
| 20:08.47 | jhutchins | joshb: Which driver does X choose? |
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| 20:09.07 | gravity | is thinking that server logs would be helpful |
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| 20:10.01 | joshb | gravity: same, jhutchins X chooses "vesa" |
| 20:10.32 | joshb | on the Aspire the mousepad scroll function also works :) |
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| 20:11.04 | jhutchins | Does on my ancient Toshiba too. |
| 20:11.28 | jhutchins | joshb: Yes, we need to find your chipset, it's failing and falling back to vesa. |
| 20:11.31 | joshb | lspci says something about Intel corp device a011 being the VGA controller |
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| 20:11.59 | joshb | Display controller: Intel corp Device a012 |
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| 20:12.56 | jhutchins | joshb: Ok, make a copy of the xorg.conf, change "vesa" to "intel" and try that. |
| 20:13.07 | joshb | jhutchins: already tried that, no luck |
| 20:13.07 | vy | In lenny, despite I have "ramdisk=mkinitramfs-kpkg" line in /etc/kernel-img.conf, "make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image" still doesn't produce any initrd.img files for /boot. Any ideas about what I might be missing? |
| 20:13.09 | jhutchins | There are bugs... |
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| 20:15.39 | joshb | jhutchins: when i'm configuring xorg.conf with 1024x600 and "Virtual 1024x678" (or something), then i get the screen like it is horizontally out of sync (iirc) |
| 20:16.19 | joshb | without "Virtual ..." it displays 800x600 which is the problem |
| 20:16.51 | joshb | it thinks the display is 800 wide, but it is really 1024, so it is all pretty seriously stretched horizontally |
| 20:17.16 | joshb | text console is also stretched (but i don't mind that) |
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| 20:17.33 | UweBollsFunder | haro |
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| 20:28.37 | UweBollsFunder | is there something like sysv-rc-config but for cronjobs? ie a way to to quickly disable/enable cron jobs, other than moving the files outside/inside the cron directories? |
| 20:29.01 | jhutchins | UweBollsFunder: flip the x bit. |
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| 20:29.43 | UweBollsFunder | que? |
| 20:29.43 | jhutchins | UweBollsFunder: If they're not executable,cron shouldn't run 'em. (Unless some helpful idiot fixed that.) |
| 20:29.48 | UweBollsFunder | ah |
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| 20:29.55 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 20:30.00 | lenswipe | problem with virtualbo |
| 20:30.00 | UweBollsFunder | ok, will do, thanks |
| 20:30.03 | lenswipe | virtualbox* |
| 20:30.08 | lenswipe | i cant get my USB stuff to appear there |
| 20:30.15 | lenswipe | the keyboard and mouse work, but stuff like webcams is out |
| 20:30.22 | jhutchins | UweBollsFunder: I usually keep the actual scripts under /usr and symlink 'em to the cron dir's. |
| 20:30.32 | UweBollsFunder | actually, the cron job file is already non-x |
| 20:30.44 | UweBollsFunder | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2325 Sep 25 01:20 sendmail |
| 20:30.56 | jhutchins | lenswipe: You usually have to go through item-by-item and tell the host to pass the USB device to the VM. |
| 20:31.13 | jhutchins | UweBollsFunder: Sigh. Somebody fixed it. |
| 20:31.30 | UweBollsFunder | hehe |
| 20:32.08 | chovy | if only nullmailer had ssl |
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| 20:32.57 | jelly-home | chovy: it doesn't? |
| 20:33.04 | jelly-home | chovy: ssmtp does |
| 20:33.15 | llutz | chovy: mstmp does |
| 20:33.33 | jelly-home | ,depends nullmailer |
| 20:33.34 | judd | Package nullmailer -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1), debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, lsb-base. |
| 20:33.38 | jelly-home | huh |
| 20:33.47 | jelly-home | ,depends nullmailer --release sid |
| 20:33.48 | judd | Package nullmailer -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.1.3), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1), debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, lsb-base. |
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| 20:34.14 | jelly-home | funny how the sid build has _lower_ libc6 dependency than stable |
| 20:34.17 | llutz | ,depends msmtp |
| 20:34.18 | judd | Package msmtp -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libcomerr2 (>= 1.33-3), libgcrypt11 (>= 1.4.0), libgnutls26 (>= 2.4.0-0), libgpg-error0 (>= 1.4), libgsasl7 (>= 0.2.21), libidn11 (>= 0.5.18), libkrb53 (>= 1.6.dfsg.2), libntlm0, libtasn1-3 (>= 0.3.4), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4), debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, ucf. |
| 20:34.30 | jelly-home | gnutls |
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| 20:35.08 | jelly-home | ,depends ssmtp |
| 20:35.09 | judd | Package ssmtp -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libgnutls26 (>= 2.4.0-0), debconf | debconf-2.0. |
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| 20:35.23 | jelly-home | meh, even ssmtp is linked against gnutls! What treachery |
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| 20:35.59 | Ac-town | Is there anyway to check the progress on a format while installing? |
| 20:36.28 | jhutchins | Ac-town: Watch the blinkey lights? |
| 20:36.40 | Ac-town | jhutchins: Heh, well it was done a second or two after I asked |
| 20:36.51 | Ac-town | yay 2.2TB formatting! |
| 20:37.14 | UweBollsFunder | how long did it take? |
| 20:37.38 | Ac-town | An hour maybe? Might be a bit less |
| 20:38.14 | joshsmith | what does the -R switch do? |
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| 20:39.09 | jelly-home | Ac-town: format? mkfs? |
| 20:39.20 | jhutchins | joshsmith: Nothing consistent. |
| 20:39.34 | joshsmith | ah, okay |
| 20:39.37 | jhutchins | joshsmith: Although there are conventions every program's switches are different. |
| 20:39.58 | joshsmith | well, to contextualize: cp -R sphinx-0.9.9/mysqlse/ mysql-5.1.45/storage/sphinx |
| 20:40.03 | jelly-home | Ac-town: one hour sounds a bit excessive, how may files do you plan to put on that filesystem? |
| 20:40.07 | jhutchins | joshsmith: For this there are <drumroll> man pages! |
| 20:40.09 | jelly-home | how many* |
| 20:40.16 | joshsmith | does that just copy/paste every file from the one directory to the other? |
| 20:40.37 | jhutchins | would honestly have to check the manpage. |
| 20:40.45 | joshsmith | jhutchins: sorry, never seen man pages |
| 20:40.55 | joshsmith | is too new to this |
| 20:41.05 | Ac-town | jelly-home: no idea, don't worry now. It was from the installer and its done. |
| 20:41.29 | jhutchins | joshsmith: Ah, a great deal of knowledge in man pages. |
| 20:41.36 | jhutchins | joshsmith: In this case, try man cp |
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| 20:42.32 | jhutchins | joshsmith: recursive means that it copies any subdirectories and their contents as well. |
| 20:42.32 | joshsmith | jhutchins: thanks! knowing *how* to RTFM certainly helps |
| 20:42.53 | jhutchins | joshsmith: Most gui's have tricks like "# cp" to display them. |
| 20:43.05 | jhutchins | joshsmith: There are also "info" pages, I've never learned to use them correctly. |
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| 20:44.09 | joshsmith | gets stuck in an info page for 30 seconds... |
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| 20:44.21 | smokingrope | i've got a fresh vps image and i am having trouble running apt-get |
| 20:44.36 | smokingrope | search on the web hasn't yielded any results |
| 20:44.37 | smokingrope | http://pastebin.com/rjAq7TTc |
| 20:44.55 | smokingrope | can anybody look at the output from apt-get update and tell me what's wrong? |
| 20:45.45 | jelly-home | smokingrope: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:45.46 | jhutchins | smokingrope: Looks like your mirror isn't feeling well. |
| 20:46.04 | jelly-home | smokingrope: looks like the lines for volatile are somewhat incorrect |
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| 20:46.15 | smokingrope | i've tried two separate sources.list files |
| 20:46.20 | jelly-home | !volatile |
| 20:46.20 | dpkg | Debian Volatile is a project that aims at keeping the <stable> and <oldstable> distributions up to date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. http://www.debian.org/volatile/ An example line for your lenny sources.list is: deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main contrib non-free See also <volatile mirrors>. |
| 20:46.20 | smokingrope | will pastebin them |
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| 20:46.30 | joshsmith | holy crap, it is pouring in SD again! |
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| 20:46.33 | dockimble | what is the longest anyone here has had a computer running for without interruption |
| 20:46.41 | jelly-home | smokingrope: don't. Pastebin the one that produced your output in the prev. pastebin |
| 20:46.54 | smokingrope | http://pastebin.com/SQCnvxNA |
| 20:46.58 | smokingrope | that is from what i just ran |
| 20:47.20 | themill | dockimble: uptime contests are so 1994. |
| 20:47.57 | jhutchins | dockimble: A couple of years on an old nt4. |
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| 20:48.11 | smokingrope | i've tried us servers as well as these de ones |
| 20:48.23 | jordanm | dockimble: approx 450 days |
| 20:48.24 | smokingrope | i've tried changing from http:// to ftp:// and apt just times out when i do that |
| 20:48.45 | lenswipe | jhutchins, how do i do that? |
| 20:48.47 | jelly-home | smokingrope: your sources for volatile and security are incorrect |
| 20:48.47 | lenswipe | <jhutchins> lenswipe: You usually have to go through item-by-item and tell the host to pass the USB device to the VM. |
| 20:49.00 | jelly-home | smokingrope: see above ^^ what dpkg said for volatile |
| 20:49.19 | jelly-home | !tell smokingrope about security |
| 20:49.22 | smokingrope | main fails too so |
| 20:49.27 | themill | jelly-home: actually, they both should be fine. the .de mirror is a bit fun like that |
| 20:49.36 | jhutchins | lenswipe: I can tell you how to do it in Parallels... |
| 20:49.43 | smokingrope | i could probably fix an invalid entry |
| 20:49.44 | jelly-home | themill: not the one he seems to be accessing |
| 20:49.57 | jhutchins | !tell smokingrope about mirrors |
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| 20:50.15 | lenswipe | jhutchins, im not using paralells |
| 20:50.20 | jhutchins | smokingrope: I would say try a different mirror. |
| 20:50.25 | jhutchins | lenswipe: Exactly. |
| 20:50.32 | lenswipe | .... |
| 20:50.38 | UweBollsFunder | what would be the RAM requirements for Debian running mdadm software RAID5? I know Debian itself says 64MB to 256MB, but how much more does mdadm add (if any?) |
| 20:50.40 | lenswipe | jhutchins, you're on a mac right? |
| 20:50.50 | themill | jelly-home: it's returning 404 for files that are clearly on the mirror |
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| 20:51.02 | jelly-home | themill: fsvo clearly? |
| 20:51.06 | smokingrope | i've tried the ftp.us.debian.org mirror (and verified it works fine from home) |
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| 20:52.34 | smokingrope | could the gpg key or something be causing this? |
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| 20:53.00 | jordanm | no |
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| 20:53.11 | jelly-home | UweBollsFunder: the userspace mdadm monitor running uses about 2MB here on i386 squeeze. I have no idea how to measure kernel md threads resources |
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| 20:54.40 | themill | smokingrope: could you please pastebin the output of "apt-get update --print-uris" for me? |
| 20:54.57 | UweBollsFunder | jelly-home: the bulk of it would be kernel resources, would it not? |
| 20:55.06 | jhutchins | would try a different server. |
| 20:55.08 | smokingrope | themill: one sec |
| 20:55.24 | smokingrope | http://pastebin.com/D5YjJjE4 |
| 20:55.25 | jhutchins | The swiss servers are usually pretty good. |
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| 20:56.22 | themill | smokingrope: hang on... when did .de change to .us? And do you get the same 404s from apt-get update now? |
| 20:56.30 | jelly-home | would evade using mirrors for volatile OR security if the main sites work well |
| 20:56.46 | smokingrope | themill: i changed to us after we said try another mirror, yes it generates the same errors |
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| 20:57.11 | themill | smokingrope: it sounds a lot like something is between apt and the network on you then. |
| 20:57.16 | smokingrope | http://pastebin.com/v3ks3UYM |
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| 20:57.41 | smokingrope | themill: yea it seems like something is wrong with how apt is pulling data |
| 20:58.12 | themill | more likely a proxy server is being stupid |
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| 20:58.36 | smokingrope | 'wget http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2' gives 404 too |
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| 20:59.40 | smokingrope | wget 'http://ftp.us.debian.org/' gives a 'this domain name is parked' error |
| 20:59.46 | smokingrope | i think my dns is giving me a faulty IP |
| 21:00.13 | smokingrope | yes that seems to be it |
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| 21:00.47 | kusanagi__ | how can i know where a package source is pulled from? |
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| 21:01.01 | jelly-home | thou shalt not browse suspicious sites like debian.org |
| 21:01.25 | themill | smokingrope: heh... that's a new one |
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| 21:01.53 | smokingrope | themill: well i guess that returns me to my original problem which is how do i setup dns |
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| 21:02.02 | themill | :) |
| 21:02.06 | jhutchins | smokingrope: 2.2.2.2? |
| 21:02.15 | jelly-home | itym 8.8.8.8 |
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| 21:02.35 | smokingrope | ? |
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| 21:03.29 | jelly-home | smokingrope: google provides free dns recursors one can just put in /etc/resolv.conf as "nameserver 8.8.8.8" and "nameserver 8.8.4.4" |
| 21:04.03 | joshb | jhutchins: hence i should upgrade to squeeze .. |
| 21:04.20 | smokingrope | jelly-home: that's just what i needed, i was trying to use a dns i found on my hosting companies website |
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| 21:05.36 | smokingrope | everything is working now, thank you |
| 21:05.38 | Tomm0s | only google will see and store all your dns lookups and do the evil things that they do with them |
| 21:05.46 | jelly-home | oh noes |
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| 21:06.03 | smokingrope | yes and they know so many things about me already that i can only hope to overwhelm them in information at this point |
| 21:06.22 | jelly-home | smokingrope: better not browse Tomm0ssmokingbuttcrack.com from that machine, then! |
| 21:06.23 | dockimble | is there a good command line world time program, or weather program? |
| 21:06.27 | joshb | jhutchins: since we can't fix it |
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| 21:06.58 | Dynetrekk | hi. how can I find the IP address on my debian box? |
| 21:07.03 | smokingrope | :) |
| 21:07.11 | smokingrope | sudo ifconfig |
| 21:07.57 | themill | (sudo not required) |
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| 21:08.34 | smokingrope | it is for me |
| 21:08.50 | smokingrope | -bash: ifconfig: command not found |
| 21:08.57 | Dynetrekk | me too :) |
| 21:09.22 | themill | smokingrope: "command not found" means only that. It doesn't mean "permission denied". Just run /sbin/ifconfig |
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| 21:10.35 | Dynetrekk | hm. it does not appear to have a proper IP anymore... |
| 21:10.41 | smokingrope | themill: aha! |
| 21:10.43 | Dynetrekk | maybe that's why I can't ssh to it :P |
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| 21:10.55 | smokingrope | ifconfig -a |
| 21:11.06 | smokingrope | shows all interfaces |
| 21:12.19 | Dynetrekk | okay, now things are working. but, why does ssh 10.0.0.5 work, but not ssh myhostname? where "myhostname" is what "hostname" prints |
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| 21:13.07 | smokingrope | i don't believe hostname is actually something that is broadcast to any other computers |
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| 21:13.37 | smokingrope | you would have to register it in a dns server someplace or in your client machines hostname list |
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| 21:14.18 | smokingrope | on windows you can setup hostnames in \Windows\system32\drivers\etc\hosts |
| 21:14.20 | Dynetrekk | smokingrope: hm.... aha. the router should know it then, I suppose |
| 21:14.37 | Dynetrekk | smokingrope: windows? gasp, no! what about static IP? how can I set up that? |
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| 21:15.22 | smokingrope | you can setup static ip in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 21:16.11 | Tomm0s | or sudo ifconfig eth0 up 10.0.0.5 |
| 21:16.40 | Tomm0s | but thats temporarily ofcourse |
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| 21:17.09 | Dynetrekk | smokingrope: how do I set that up? I copied my settings from an ubuntu box but it didn't work |
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| 21:17.50 | smokingrope | dynetrekk: http://www.iceteks.com/forums/archive/t/3298/ |
| 21:17.57 | smokingrope | that looks about how mine is configured |
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| 21:18.07 | smokingrope | 5th or so post down |
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| 21:19.20 | Dynetrekk | smokingrope: what is the "network" address? and "broadcast"? I guess address, netmask and gateway are the same as on my ubuntu box, and those work nicely... |
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| 21:20.19 | smokingrope | dynetrekk: broadcast is going to have '.255' as the last octet |
| 21:20.33 | Dynetrekk | smokingrope: so 10.0.0.255? |
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| 21:20.50 | smokingrope | yep |
| 21:21.04 | smokingrope | not sure about network |
| 21:21.18 | kusanagi__ | Dynetrekk, dont u have a dhcp server? |
| 21:21.22 | smokingrope | probably just do 10.0.0.0 and see how it works |
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| 21:21.31 | Dynetrekk | kusanagi__: yep, but it's hard to ssh to a box without knowing its IP |
| 21:21.36 | kusanagi__ | try #dhclient <interface> |
| 21:21.43 | Tomm0s | dont do 10.0.0.0 :) |
| 21:21.57 | Dynetrekk | Tomm0s: hm, okay, why not? |
| 21:21.58 | smokingrope | in dhcp you can usually map a mac address to the same IP every time |
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| 21:22.16 | Dynetrekk | smokingrope: well I have an adsl routermodem. I don't know if it can do that |
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| 21:22.33 | ruben23 | hi guys whast the command to cehck installed packages on my debina server system..? |
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| 21:22.54 | kusanagi__ | its very probable that dhclient interface fix ur problem ;) |
| 21:23.14 | Dynetrekk | kusanagi__: what is dhclient? |
| 21:23.16 | hdtdi | hello i installed debian-core kde-base and everything to minimum. but now my fn+f1,2,3,4 buttons dont work? does anyone knows what i need to install to make it work again ? |
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| 21:23.26 | kusanagi__ | try it on a root shell |
| 21:23.31 | smokingrope | if you can log into some sort of admin interface it's called something like 'static adresses' |
| 21:23.49 | kusanagi__ | Dynetrekk, its a dhcp client... it autoconfigure everything for you |
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| 21:24.05 | kusanagi__ | and either you have a local router or u connect directly to your isp |
| 21:24.17 | kusanagi__ | usually there is a dhcp server at the other side |
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| 21:25.01 | Dynetrekk | I have a local router. not sure how to convince it to give static IPs. the old one had a nicer interface :( |
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| 21:25.29 | kusanagi__ | even if you use dhcp ips |
| 21:25.38 | kusanagi__ | i always get the same ips at my local router |
| 21:25.42 | kusanagi__ | :) |
| 21:25.47 | kusanagi__ | without configuring anything |
| 21:25.54 | kusanagi__ | and yours probably will do the same |
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| 21:26.41 | Dynetrekk | I just changed, that's why I am mucking about trying to convince my box to have a static ip |
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| 21:27.02 | kusanagi__ | oh... ok |
| 21:27.04 | Dynetrekk | kusanagi__: hm, amybe I'll try that. but it will be awfully annoying if it changes, the box is "headless"... |
| 21:27.16 | Dynetrekk | kusanagi__: I just changed routermodem, that is. |
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| 21:27.40 | kusanagi__ | Dynetrekk, you could just use the hostname of your machine to find its ip |
| 21:27.48 | Dynetrekk | kusanagi__: what do you mean? |
| 21:28.02 | kusanagi__ | or use nmap to find what machines are on ur network |
| 21:28.08 | qq- | hm, Agiofws has quit (Excess Flood), spam ? |
| 21:28.09 | Dynetrekk | kusanagi__: nmap, good idea |
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| 21:28.32 | kusanagi__ | do you have currently a valid ip? |
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| 21:28.45 | Dynetrekk | kusanagi__: sure, everything works, i just wnat it to keep working1 |
| 21:29.18 | kusanagi__ | do you have phisical access to the machine you want to ssh? |
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| 21:31.06 | Dynetrekk | kusanagi__: yep, but I plan on disconnecting the display |
| 21:31.31 | kusanagi__ | Dynetrekk, type hostname on that machine |
| 21:31.48 | kusanagi__ | and then try to ping that hostname on another machine on your network |
| 21:32.01 | Dynetrekk | kusanagi__: unknown host |
| 21:32.11 | kusanagi__ | my god lol |
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| 21:32.37 | kusanagi__ | so what its ur local ip and netmask? |
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| 21:33.39 | Dynetrekk | kusanagi__: 10.0.0.4 and 10.0.0.5 |
| 21:33.43 | Dynetrekk | local ip, that is |
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| 21:33.54 | kusanagi__ | and the netmask? |
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| 21:34.29 | Dynetrekk | kusanagi__: 255.255.255.0 |
| 21:34.37 | Dynetrekk | kusanagi__: if it's "mask" from "ifconfig" |
| 21:34.57 | kusanagi__ | ok, so try nmap 10.0.0.1-255 |
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| 21:35.11 | kusanagi__ | that should reveal all the machines on your network |
| 21:35.47 | Dynetrekk | kusanagi__: I'll do that for now. thanks for all the help |
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| 21:35.59 | kusanagi__ | ;D |
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| 21:36.16 | Laidback_01 | hey, so I can get the testing dist by replacing lenny with testing in my sources.list, correct? |
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| 21:36.51 | cb | Laidback_01, yeah |
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| 21:37.09 | Laidback_01 | cool, thanks |
| 21:37.13 | cb | but you eventually should read about upgrading |
| 21:37.26 | qq- | !lenny->squeeze |
| 21:37.40 | qq- | dpkg, lenny->squeeze |
| 21:37.40 | dpkg | WARNING: you must upgrade the kernel and reboot prior to the full-upgrade. Remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile, backports), then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list. aptitude update && aptitude install linux-image-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` ; reboot; aptitude full-upgrade. If full-upgrade fails, try "apt-get dist-upgrade". See <squeeze release notes>, <squeeze udev>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing> |
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| 21:42.04 | Laidback_01 | allright, that's along the lines of what I aimed to do anyway. Course, it's better to follow the prelaid instructions. I'm going to keep this server as stock as possible. coming from freebsd and opensolaris. |
| 21:42.14 | Laidback_01 | so... it's a bit different, but not too far off. |
| 21:42.44 | Laidback_01 | need to try out the latest samba to see if it's worth upgrading on my freebsd boxen, and since testing has it, this is the fastest path to tryouts. |
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| 21:44.17 | themill | Laidback_01: there are newer samba packages on backports which is even easier again; /msg dpkg bdo |
| 21:44.33 | themill | ,versions samba |
| 21:44.34 | judd | Package samba on i386 -- etch: 3.0.24-6etch10; etch-security: 3.0.24-6etch10; etch-backports: 2:3.2.5-4~bpo41+1; lenny: 2:3.2.5-4lenny11; lenny-security: 2:3.2.5-4lenny13; lenny-backports: 2:3.5.5~dfsg-1~bpo50+2; sid: 2:3.5.5~dfsg-1; squeeze: 2:3.5.5~dfsg-1 |
| 21:45.51 | Laidback_01 | ah, oh well, I've already started the process, this'll be fine. thanks for the heads up on that though! |
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| 22:08.21 | _dreamy | does the closed source of vbox is to be bougth ? in my situation id like to have the usb funcion.. ? |
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| 22:09.31 | _dreamy | can i have usb on any other virtual machine software? |
| 22:09.34 | tbsaunde | _dreamy: no, it doesn't cost anything |
| 22:09.39 | _dreamy | oh ok |
| 22:09.51 | tbsaunde | _dreamy: kvm supports usb, but I've never tried it |
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| 22:10.18 | _dreamy | tbsaunde: ok, so does the closed source version of vbox.. |
| 22:10.43 | jordanm | _dreamy: you will have to read the license yourself, but it does need to be bought if you atre looking to deploy 20 production servers on it |
| 22:10.53 | tbsaunde | _dreamy: yeah, I know closed source vbox supports usb, but never tried that either |
| 22:11.21 | _dreamy | jordanm: ok, its not my case |
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| 22:12.04 | jpinx-eeepc | _dreamy: does xen not support usb? |
| 22:12.21 | UweBollsFunder | is there a way to force screen to only allow a single screen? ie make typing screen within a screen not do anything? I keep forgetting to reattach and end up with several screens. It's like russian dolls in here. |
| 22:12.29 | _dreamy | oh is that another virutal machine software ? jpinx-eeepc |
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| 22:12.35 | devdvd | hi all. I have a package on an etch server that no longer exists in the repos. It is installed and i need to move it to another server. Is there any way to repackage the installed program? |
| 22:12.48 | jpinx-eeepc | _dreamy: indeed |
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| 22:13.25 | UweBollsFunder | dreamy: not sure if Vmware Player is free enough, but it supports USB last I checked |
| 22:13.27 | devdvd | it was initally installed through apt-get |
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| 22:13.52 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 22:13.57 | jpinx-eeepc | !virtual machine |
| 22:14.06 | lenswipe | can someone point me to a virtual machine that supports USB? |
| 22:14.11 | lenswipe | note: virtualbox doesnt |
| 22:14.26 | UweBollsFunder | is it VM day or something? :P |
| 22:14.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | oh... why does everyone suddenly need a vm with usb support? |
| 22:14.49 | lenswipe | Kamping_Kaiser, because USB pendrives dont have an RJ45 connection |
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| 22:15.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | lenswipe: lies :) |
| 22:15.15 | tbsaunde | why would you want to access usb in a vm? |
| 22:15.17 | UweBollsFunder | lenswipe: try Vmware Player |
| 22:15.19 | lenswipe | Kamping_Kaiser, lol |
| 22:15.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | lenswipe: they fit in an rj45 perfectly :p |
| 22:15.24 | lenswipe | tbsaunde, because i do |
| 22:15.31 | lenswipe | Kamping_Kaiser, can you demonstrate to me? |
| 22:15.36 | lenswipe | Kamping_Kaiser, using your own USB drive |
| 22:15.46 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell _dreamy about virtualization |
| 22:15.52 | _dreamy | ty |
| 22:15.55 | f8l | Hello. Can someone recommend me a Virtual Machine with USB support? Nah, just kidding. |
| 22:16.00 | UweBollsFunder | hahaha |
| 22:16.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | lenswipe: sure *sticks it in* |
| 22:16.06 | tbsaunde | lenswipe: or closed source vbox, or kvm should work or maybe xen? |
| 22:16.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | f8l: :p |
| 22:16.19 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell lenswipe about virtualization |
| 22:16.31 | UweBollsFunder | !tell UweBollsFunder about virtualization |
| 22:16.58 | tbsaunde | !tell UweBollsFunder about self tell |
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| 22:17.38 | _dreamy | where is that closed source ver (vbox) accessible trought ? |
| 22:18.07 | jordanm | virtualbox.org |
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| 22:20.06 | qq- | !qemu |
| 22:20.06 | dpkg | QEMU is a fast PC emulator. <PXE> boot roms (pxe-e1000.bin, pxe-ne2k_pci.bin, pxe-pcnet.bin, pxe-rtl8139.bin) are not supplied in Lenny's version (Debian bug #412010); acquire and place within /usr/share/qemu if desired. Lenny users, see <mmap_min_addr>. http://qemu-buch.de/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/FrequentlyAskedQuestions http://www.qemu.org/ #qemu on irc.freenode.net. See also <kqemu>, <virtualization>. |
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| 22:23.55 | jpinx-eeepc | _dreamy: you can /msg dpkg each of the listed <virtualisations> |
| 22:24.31 | _dreamy | jpinx-eeepc: yes i noticed, i was so impressed with the amount of software it mentioned |
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| 22:25.50 | jpinx-eeepc | _dreamy: they all have their good and bad points - you will do well to read the sepcifications |
| 22:26.18 | lagbolt | quick question. . installed network-manager-vpnc and add vpn is grayed out, installed network-manager-openvpn and i can add openvpns. what do i need to do to make pptp vpn work? :( |
| 22:26.39 | _dreamy | jpinx-eeepc: what if i was aiming for performance (usb possibility) and eazy installation? |
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| 22:27.25 | jpinx-eeepc | _dreamy: your reaing is more useful than mine ;) |
| 22:27.33 | _dreamy | k.. |
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| 22:29.59 | Laidback_01 | is dselect still considered a valid tool? I really rather like it compared to the apt-get / aptitude systems, but... I'll use the new stuff if that's the way to go. |
| 22:30.50 | _dreamy | jpinx-eeepc: does the PC emulator stands for the same thing ? |
| 22:31.04 | dondelelcaro | Laidback_01: you can still use it, but it's not really being maintained anymore |
| 22:31.12 | dondelelcaro | Laidback_01: I'd strongly suggest learning aptitude |
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| 22:32.30 | ward| | is there a channel for debian arm? |
| 22:33.26 | qq- | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:34.01 | jpinx-eeepc | _dreamy: I do not have any virtual machines atm |
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| 22:35.10 | ward| | thanks, qq- is it also on topic here in the general channel? |
| 22:35.15 | tbsaunde | _dreamy: basically yes, qemu is a virtual machine software |
| 22:35.16 | ward| | if you happen to know |
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| 22:38.13 | qq- | ward|, try /j #debian-arm |
| 22:38.15 | UweBollsFunder | pptpd is simpler than openvpn (to set up) for a simple vpn solution, right? |
| 22:38.44 | ward| | qq-, kicked, invite only |
| 22:39.01 | UweBollsFunder | they're keeping people at an arm's length |
| 22:39.05 | UweBollsFunder | hangs head in shame |
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| 22:39.21 | qq- | ward|, anyways no one there .. |
| 22:39.32 | ward| | i noticed lol |
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| 22:39.45 | themill | ward|: it would be on oftc not on freenode. But you can also ask here most of the time... |
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| 22:43.18 | UweBollsFunder | hmm, I'd never heard of oftc...how does it compare to freenode? |
| 22:43.55 | themill | UweBollsFunder: they're just another irc network. |
| 22:43.55 | paradigm | I've seen a number of F/OSS projects hosted there |
| 22:44.01 | paradigm | err not hosted |
| 22:44.04 | paradigm | IRC'd |
| 22:44.21 | Led_Zeppelin | anyone here use syslog-ng? Is it possible to log any type of file with it? |
| 22:45.26 | UweBollsFunder | paradigm: where do Linux or Perens or all the other bigwigs hang out? |
| 22:45.32 | UweBollsFunder | s/Linux/Linus |
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| 22:45.51 | Led_Zeppelin | here |
| 22:46.26 | UweBollsFunder | yay :P |
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| 22:51.09 | dondelelcaro | Led_Zeppelin: a file like what? |
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| 22:51.27 | dondelelcaro | Led_Zeppelin: syslog-ng is capable of using any file or socket as a source, if that's what you're asking. |
| 22:51.44 | Led_Zeppelin | dondelelcaro, lets say I have an application which writes a log file. I want to have syslog handle it so I can forward it to my central logging server. |
| 22:51.54 | Led_Zeppelin | dondelelcaro, thats exactly what I am asking. Thanks! |
| 22:52.06 | dondelelcaro | Led_Zeppelin: normally you'd have the application write to syslog directly, but yes... |
| 22:52.25 | dondelelcaro | Led_Zeppelin: almost everything has syslog() support, since it's easier than writing to a file directly |
| 22:52.44 | Led_Zeppelin | hmm, how can I set the application to write to syslog? is that a syslog configuration or application? |
| 22:52.54 | dondelelcaro | Led_Zeppelin: it's application dependent. |
| 22:53.00 | Led_Zeppelin | doh |
| 22:53.06 | Led_Zeppelin | i doubt my application has the feature |
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| 22:53.16 | dondelelcaro | what application are we talking about here? |
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| 22:53.33 | Led_Zeppelin | condor |
| 22:54.22 | dondelelcaro | dunno; I'd assume it'd have syslog support, but hard to say |
| 22:54.40 | dondelelcaro | (usually if it doesn't, it's a red flag that code elsewhere in the project is suspect) |
| 22:55.00 | Led_Zeppelin | ha. why suspect? never liked this product too much |
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| 22:55.52 | UweBollsFunder | well it means they don't know that properly secured systems do logging to a logging server (so that intruders can't just delete a log file and f you over) |
| 22:56.04 | Led_Zeppelin | i see. |
| 22:56.07 | UweBollsFunder | or so the debian manual says, I'm not a network admin :P |
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| 22:56.19 | Led_Zeppelin | i was wondering if you had tricks with named pipes to forward the log to syslog |
| 22:56.22 | Led_Zeppelin | brb |
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| 23:00.19 | UweBollsFunder | I'm rather new to linux so I couldn't help you with an elegant solution...if no one here answers, try asking in #linux |
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| 23:02.17 | UweBollsFunder | but I'd say the odds are good that someone somewhere has already solved the problem of getting non-syslog applications report to a syslog server, even if it's a ghetto solution like a script doing a diff periodically and sending the new lines |
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| 23:03.03 | UweBollsFunder | _dreamy: what |
| 23:03.11 | UweBollsFunder | what are your hardware specs? |
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| 23:04.24 | ZitZ | he there, does anyone here know if the proprietary nvidia driver supports xrandr yet? |
| 23:04.28 | _dreamy | UweBollsFunder: very low :S .. 256 mgs ( 2gig p4 proccessor ( the cpu is not so bad) ) i was so glad to find out that xp flyes if i use FWM Wm, like i sayd |
| 23:05.59 | UweBollsFunder | _dreamy: it's gonna be very difficult running a virtualized Windows on that system |
| 23:06.25 | _dreamy | UweBollsFunder: well , im having great success |
| 23:06.32 | UweBollsFunder | oh, wow |
| 23:06.36 | UweBollsFunder | which Windows? |
| 23:06.43 | _dreamy | UweBollsFunder: i can choose perfomance mode on XP at settitngs |
| 23:06.54 | UweBollsFunder | oh, good then |
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| 23:07.59 | UweBollsFunder | I used to do it with 1GB of RAM and it used to page ALL THE TIME. Maybe I just didn't disable enough XP stuff. |
| 23:07.59 | _dreamy | UweBollsFunder: right now its giving alot of messsages about lack of virutal memory, and its still fast |
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| 23:09.21 | UweBollsFunder | is there perhaps a computer recycling store near you where you can get more RAM for free? |
| 23:10.38 | _dreamy | yes , it can go untill 1g ram, i want to insert more ;) |
| 23:11.31 | ZitZ | does someone know how to switch to hdmi display without nvidia-settings or from the commandline preferably |
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| 23:13.30 | jaggz | how do I set dovecot passwords in a file? dovecotpw and cut and paste?? |
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| 23:21.31 | dondelelcaro | jaggz: while dovecot can do that, you almost certainly don't want to go that way |
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| 23:27.22 | magyar | hi, using squeese amd64, a few weeks ago I lost sound in iceweasel flash. No sound on any youtube or any flash |
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| 23:28.11 | magyar | ii flashplugin-nonfree 1:2.8.2 Adobe Flash Player - browser plugin |
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| 23:33.22 | UweBollsFunder | Does anyone here use pptpd? My client can't connect. It's not a network issue, I can telnet just fine to the listening port. There are no obvious error messages in the 20 lines of syslog: http://pastebin.com/zhkGj7Pm |
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| 23:38.35 | jpinx-eeepc | !anyone |
| 23:38.35 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 23:39.46 | UweBollsFunder | I did ask my real question :/ |
| 23:40.31 | hdtdi | hello i installed debian-core kde-base and everything to minimum. but now my fn+f1,2,3,4 buttons dont work? does anyone knows what i need to install to make it work again ? |
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| 23:49.11 | Kaizen | what is magic button to make openssl key generation go faster? |
| 23:49.24 | karlpinc | UweBollsFunder: Perhaps use tcpdump and wireshark to see what's happening. Or turn up the logging verbosity. |
| 23:49.34 | stew | Kaizen: any button, and move the mouse. anything that adds entropy |
| 23:49.41 | karlpinc | Kaizen: You need more randomness. |
| 23:50.04 | karlpinc | stew: I thought they dis-connected the randomness from the keyboard and mouse. Or so I heard. |
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| 23:52.50 | stew | hmm |
| 23:53.26 | stew | karlpinc: no, mouse movement definately seems to still work |
| 23:53.40 | stew | i'm watching "dd bs=1 if=/dev/random | pv > /dev/null" |
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| 23:57.28 | UweBollsFunder | karlpinc: I got that log from debug logging, I don't think it can get any more informative. Wireshark doesn't reveal anything obvious either. It gets far enough for the server to send the "Start-Control-Connection-Reply" packet, then the client responds with Outgoing-Call-Request, and the server tells him FIN,ACK . Server is rejecting the client then, so probably a configuration issue. I didn't do any special configuration (been |
| 23:58.02 | UweBollsFunder | nothing stands out at all...I guess I'll have to go over every setting with a fine comb instead of following guides. |
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| 23:59.33 | magyarlatin | Hello everyone |
| 23:59.37 | Cheets | hi |