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| 00:00.03 | tonytraductor | hi guys |
| 00:00.40 | UweBollsFunder | sup |
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| 00:01.39 | Cheets | is looking at ipsec tunnels |
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| 00:02.08 | tonytraductor | my mouse response seems to be accelerated for no reason. One click is treated as two (or causes the same effect as dbl-click). I'm not sure how to either diagnose or alter this. I did nothing to modify it, and the affect has come on just in the past few days. Not sure if this is hardware or software. |
| 00:02.19 | tonytraductor | Also, I'm not using gnome, kde, xfce, or any other such Desktop |
| 00:02.24 | tonytraductor | Environment with tools for such things. |
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| 00:02.34 | tonytraductor | I'm using openbox. also have wmii installed on here |
| 00:02.54 | tonytraductor | oh, and by openbox, I mean openbox, not LXDE, either. |
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| 00:03.46 | tonytraductor | It's messing with my work, hampering efficiency (and I'm all about being efficient). |
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| 00:07.57 | Bushmills | GUIs usually do |
| 00:10.57 | Bushmills | mine has the same problem, btw. but it's definitely hardware with mine. |
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| 00:11.34 | edju | Running dhclient gets me nonsense error messages regarding /var/lib/dhcp/dhclient.leases, . E.g, referencing line 47 when the file has only 33 lines, or saying that a numeric hour is expected when such is definitely there. I have trouble keeping a persistent dns, and I wonder if this has anything to do with that. Any suggestions greatly appreciated. |
| 00:13.26 | Bushmills | check /var/lib/dhcp3/dhclient.leases (or dhclient.*.leases) instead |
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| 00:15.12 | edju | Bushmills, Nope. That's an empty file. The error messages refer specifically refer to dhcp, not dhcp3. |
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| 00:15.49 | Bushmills | my .leases files are tendentially 150..300 lines ling |
| 00:15.50 | Bushmills | long |
| 00:16.23 | Bushmills | what do you do to update nameservers according dhcp leases? |
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| 00:17.24 | edju | Update nameservers? If that means what I think it means, I run dhclient. |
| 00:18.00 | Bushmills | that only requests a config from dhcp server, but doesn't do anything about name resolution |
| 00:18.45 | Bushmills | special dhcp server + dns cache combinations excluded, such as dnsmasq |
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| 00:19.51 | edju | This gets weirder and werder. The dns keeps reverting to the router; I run dhclient and I get the new dns. |
| 00:20.08 | edju | As well as the error messages. |
| 00:20.57 | Tomm0s | tonytraductor -> mouse double clicking sounds like a faulty mouse, you tried another one? |
| 00:21.14 | Bushmills | what name server. what does "reverting to router" mean? do you mean that your client uses a different name server after dhcp request? |
| 00:23.28 | edju | The router does not allow dns config. I edited - lets' see - well, various files naming a dns server. After a while, I get 192.etc.254 - the router. So. I run dhclient, which I guess picks up from the dited files the new dns server. |
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| 00:24.15 | Bushmills | turn off requesting name server from dhcp server in your dhcp client config |
| 00:24.35 | Bushmills | or set the name server you want to use in your dhcp server config |
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| 00:33.32 | edju | Trying that now and we'll see if I know what I'm doing. The error messages seem to have disappeared (!?) As the old Indian said in "Little Big Man", sometimes the magic works and sometimes it doesn't". |
| 00:33.45 | magyar | having sound issues with flash and iceweasel on squeeze, anyone else in the same shoe? |
| 00:33.55 | edju | Thanks. |
| 00:34.00 | magyar | amd64 platform |
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| 00:42.49 | RAWRjar | Hey guys, I've got a server with a proper usename. Right now, I have ssmtp configured to use my Gmail address, but I would like it to use my domain instead (EG, from "server@mydomain.com" instead of "username@gmail.com"). Is there a way to do this? I'm not interested in receiving email, only recieving. |
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| 00:44.20 | Bushmills | ssmtp is for sending mail |
| 00:44.39 | jpinx-eeepc | RAWRjar: googleapps will do it for your domain |
| 00:44.40 | Bushmills | but i agree that receiving is preferable to recieving |
| 00:45.15 | RAWRjar | Hmm, I mean "only sending" :) |
| 00:45.36 | Bushmills | for receiving, you want an MTA like exim, postfix and the like, and preferable a static ip address |
| 00:45.41 | RAWRjar | jpinx: I would rather not use googleapps if possible. One of the reasons I'm doing this is I'm trying to build a stand-alone solution |
| 00:46.07 | RAWRjar | @bushmills: Alrighty. I will eventually have a full-blown email setup and I've already got a static IP. |
| 00:46.07 | jpinx-eeepc | RAWRjar: then you need the whole ball of wax |
| 00:46.35 | Bushmills | ehm... exim, postfix *or* the like |
| 00:46.36 | jpinx-eeepc | RAWRjar: dns server, email server, |
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| 00:46.57 | jpinx-eeepc | used postfix back in the day |
| 00:47.12 | Bushmills | prefers postfix as well |
| 00:47.27 | RAWRjar | jpinx: why a DNS server? I already have a DNS provider to get mydomain.com to map to IP |
| 00:47.40 | Bushmills | RAWRjar: set up MTA, then point the MX record to your server |
| 00:47.41 | RAWRjar | (More specifically, my registrar offers it for free) |
| 00:47.45 | RAWRjar | Gotcha |
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| 00:47.50 | jpinx-eeepc | RAWRjar: then why an email server? |
| 00:48.14 | RAWRjar | Er... why not? :) |
| 00:48.26 | RAWRjar | I want to use email from my domain, and I want to do it myself on my server :P |
| 00:48.44 | jpinx-eeepc | if you share your dns, you might as well share your email |
| 00:48.52 | RAWRjar | I'm setting up a Linux VPS in my free time to learn many common Linux admin/server tasks. |
| 00:49.02 | RAWRjar | So half fun, half academic I suppose. |
| 00:49.15 | jpinx-eeepc | RAWRjar: go back - google apps will allow you to do your email on YOUR domain and you can imap it |
| 00:49.38 | Bushmills | nothing wrong with learning how to set up and operate a mail server |
| 00:49.38 | jpinx-eeepc | RAWRjar: dns is fun - email is a pita |
| 00:49.53 | RAWRjar | heh |
| 00:50.11 | RAWRjar | what Bush said I guess. I know Windows admin pretty well but am VERY bad @ linux. |
| 00:50.17 | iceroot | is there a way to see why a package is installed? i wanted to see what package was pulling another package because of a dependency, e.g. C was installed because b has a dependency on c, and b was pulled because of a, so a was the reason for c |
| 00:50.27 | jpinx-eeepc | RAWRjar: you will have all the joys of sorting out your own filtering and never get close to what gmail can do |
| 00:50.44 | jpinx-eeepc | iceroot: aptitude-why |
| 00:51.03 | iceroot | jpinx-eeepc: great, thank you |
| 00:51.16 | RAWRjar | Currently, on my Planned Software doc is Dovecot, Postifx, SpamAssassin, MailScanner, and ClamAV |
| 00:51.26 | RAWRjar | It definitely will be a PITA, heh :P |
| 00:51.49 | jpinx-eeepc | yep - enjoy |
| 00:52.02 | Bushmills | consider to add postgrey to the list |
| 00:52.11 | jpinx-eeepc | RAWRjar: for your better learning experience - do dns first ;) |
| 00:53.05 | jpinx-eeepc | RAWRjar: then you can fiddle with a non important mail address like testing@homePC.mydomain.com |
| 00:53.11 | TehRabbitt-1 | Curious, how can I get VBoxHeadless to start a VM automatically on boot? i'm guessing make a shell script to run the command then add it to one of the rc levels? |
| 00:53.47 | RAWRjar | Rabbit: try #vbox |
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| 00:59.05 | TehRabbitt-1 | well if i just wanted to run " VBoxHeadless -startvm "Windows XP" &" during the bootup, where would I want to put that? |
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| 01:00.50 | krushik | TehRabbitt-1, /etc/rc.local |
| 01:01.03 | TehRabbitt-1 | thanks |
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| 01:05.19 | Empis | hello, is there any way to http://debian.pastebin.com/wX85grFE edit the value-field that being selected to a md5'ed hash with salt inc. sha1? |
| 01:05.31 | Empis | its freeradius |
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| 01:14.59 | johnfg | hi guys |
| 01:15.29 | johnfg | I've got 4 partitions on my one hd, so maxed out. However, I've got extra space at the end. |
| 01:15.56 | johnfg | will gparted or any other program allow me to change the size of an extended partition? |
| 01:16.13 | nsadmin | TehRabbitt-1 do you want to also stop it at shutdown or reboot? |
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| 01:18.03 | TehRabbitt-1 | yea |
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| 01:30.07 | jaggz | dondelelcaro: I only have a handful of email accounts, but a few domains too |
| 01:31.14 | jaggz | dondelelcaro: the other option is some DB method, like sql, or actual user accounts I was going to avoid the user accounts, but I guess I could use those |
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| 01:33.45 | Ergo^_ | is there a place where i could submit a wallpaper for debian to possibly include ? |
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| 01:36.54 | qwd | Ergo^_: http://www.debianart.org/ |
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| 01:38.26 | johntramp | Hi. I am wanting to execute a command once a file is modified. Is there a trivial way for me to do this, or will I need to create a script to compare md5sums after a time inverval? |
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| 01:40.05 | Ergo^_ | qwd, thanks |
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| 01:42.55 | Ergo^_ | qwd, if anyone is interested ;-) http://www.debianart.org/cchost/people/ergo14/ergo14_-_Ergo_s_wallpaper1.png |
| 01:44.03 | dsockwell | how sanguine |
| 01:45.17 | Ergo^_ | ;-) |
| 01:45.31 | TehRabbitt-1 | nsadmin, how do i get it to stop at shutdown/reboot as well? |
| 01:46.01 | nsadmin | read /etc/init.d/README |
| 01:46.08 | nsadmin | read /etc/init.d/skeleton |
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| 01:49.23 | nsadmin | look at other scripts in /etc/init.d |
| 01:49.50 | nsadmin | look at the links in /etc/rc?.d |
| 01:50.04 | nsadmin | man update-rc.d |
| 01:50.27 | nsadmin | with that background... |
| 01:51.07 | nsadmin | you would write a script that responds to the words start, stop, restart, reload and possibly a few others as detailed by /etc/init.d/README |
| 01:51.38 | nsadmin | when you feed the script a start, it starts it, stop stops it |
| 01:51.51 | nsadmin | restart runs stop then start |
| 01:52.35 | nsadmin | then you use update-rc.d to schedule it to start and stop on boot and shutdown |
| 01:54.24 | tonytraductor | crikey...I forget I was even logged in here...if anyone answered my question it was probably hours ago... |
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| 02:03.09 | Kaizen | tonytraductor man, you won the $1,000 raffle!! we had to give it someone else cos you weren't here |
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| 02:09.03 | UweBollsFunder | where can I bitch at the person who made the openvpn package? |
| 02:09.23 | Kaizen | funny that, i am configuring openvpn right now too |
| 02:09.29 | UweBollsFunder | first time? |
| 02:09.32 | Kaizen | no |
| 02:09.38 | Kaizen | well, first time on debian |
| 02:09.56 | UweBollsFunder | first time ever, here |
| 02:10.13 | Kaizen | i love it, once it is setup it's awesome |
| 02:10.41 | UweBollsFunder | have you created your TUN/TAP device? |
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| 02:11.19 | Kaizen | i just built a new server, about to do it but i have config files from last install to refer to if you need help |
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| 02:12.35 | Kaizen | they are pretty helpful on the openvpn irc channel too |
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| 02:13.15 | UweBollsFunder | I'll try there then...thanks |
| 02:13.42 | buu | Hey, I'm trying to do an apt-get upgrade; and it's trying to pull in udev, which seems to be very unhappy with the current kernel, how do I get upgrade to stop trying to install it? |
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| 02:25.30 | mmnicolas | hi, i built a simple set a scripts to perform automated backup on a samba share with rsync, i am wondering really what are the advantages between using a live-environment built with live-helper, or just a portable 2.5 hd with debian preinstalled |
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| 02:27.19 | mmnicolas | will it be really less "portable" ? |
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| 02:41.41 | SuperMiguel | any of you guys running debian on a macbook pro? |
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| 02:44.14 | karlpinc | mmnicolas: I don't know. But it occurs to me that the live environment might have a more flexible initramfs, and so be better able to boot on a wider variety of hardware. |
| 02:44.50 | karlpinc | SuperMiguel: There's a debian-ppc channel, or some such, somewhere on freenode. |
| 02:45.24 | karlpinc | buu: Try aptitude with -R perhaps? |
| 02:45.45 | nsadmin | how does a macbook pro have anything to do with ppc? |
| 02:47.02 | buu | karlpinc: That seems to have worked. |
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| 02:47.33 | nsadmin | in any case the original poster doesn't seem to be paying attention |
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| 02:47.50 | thepro4ever | wtf infinite granularity |
| 02:47.55 | thepro4ever | i'm still learning to link shit |
| 02:48.17 | Nashenas | i'm looking to install debian for the first time, and I've downloaded the first testing dvd, do I need to download the other 6 or are those just packages? |
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| 02:48.38 | Nashenas | I just don't feel like waiting forever for the jigdo to finish on another 6 if I don't have to |
| 02:49.03 | nsadmin | why testing? testing is a moving target, and there are lately some things going on with it |
| 02:49.16 | nsadmin | do you have a net connection? |
| 02:49.47 | Nashenas | I do |
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| 02:50.06 | Nashenas | be right back |
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| 02:51.37 | mmnicolas | karlpinc: yea |
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| 02:52.36 | SuperMiguel | nsadmin, im playing atention :) |
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| 03:02.24 | Nashenas | nsadmin: back, so if not testing, what should I download? |
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| 03:04.00 | factor | What is the compliant package for fortran or f77? |
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| 03:04.22 | nsadmin | Nashenas: I'd suggest lenny, since it's stable and does not move |
| 03:04.26 | Bushmills | netinstall image may be more suited. no need to download whole dvds |
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| 03:04.41 | Nashenas | so netinstall lenny stable? |
| 03:04.56 | nsadmin | factor there's probably a gnu fortran compiler |
| 03:05.10 | Bushmills | that's probably best for first time installation |
| 03:05.10 | factor | what is it called. |
| 03:05.16 | ZitZ | Yes gnu has fortran |
| 03:05.33 | nsadmin | factor google and see |
| 03:05.41 | Bushmills | well, the fortran compiler is more a f to c translator, a gcc frontend |
| 03:05.45 | factor | looks like gfortran is working , will make a sim link to it and see if that works |
| 03:06.00 | Bushmills | for practical purposes, it doesn't really matter |
| 03:06.04 | ZitZ | It is definitely in the repositories |
| 03:06.33 | nsadmin | why do you need a symlink? |
| 03:06.48 | factor | compiling a program written for f77 |
| 03:06.50 | Nashenas | thanks nsadmin and Bushmills |
| 03:07.26 | nsadmin | a symlink won't change what the compiler compiles |
| 03:08.39 | factor | symlink is working |
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| 03:10.13 | nsadmin | not saying it won't work, I am saying it won't change what the compiler does |
| 03:10.31 | factor | it is compiling the .f 's now |
| 03:10.44 | factor | the chemestry program has .c and .f files. |
| 03:12.16 | factor | crashed on f90 options |
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| 03:17.02 | UweBollsFunder | could someone please tell me whether this kernel upgrade guide: http://aruljohn.com/info/kernel/ applies to go from 2.6.18 to 2.6.35? |
| 03:18.08 | UweBollsFunder | seems very easy but it was written in 2004 |
| 03:20.25 | jpinx-eeepc | ,kernel |
| 03:20.28 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.36-rc5-686 (2.6.36~rc5-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-23); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-23); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-23~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-25lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 03:20.54 | jpinx-eeepc | UweBollsFunder: .3 doesn't appear to be in debian |
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| 03:21.41 | jpinx-eeepc | UweBollsFunder: what release are you usng? |
| 03:21.46 | UweBollsFunder | so I'll get 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 03:22.18 | UweBollsFunder | jpinx-eeepc: apparently a custom-compiled kernel...2.6.18-194.8.1.el5.028stab070.5 |
| 03:22.18 | jpinx-eeepc | iff you are in lenny you can backport the .32 kernel (as I did) |
| 03:22.37 | jpinx-eeepc | UweBollsFunder: are you on a vm? |
| 03:22.46 | UweBollsFunder | yeah |
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| 03:23.35 | UweBollsFunder | why, any advice? |
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| 03:24.09 | jpinx-eeepc | UweBollsFunder: check with your provider - you might not be able to upgrade- Pastebin the output of uname -a |
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| 03:24.54 | UweBollsFunder | Linux server1 2.6.18-194.8.1.el5.028stab070.5 #1 SMP Fri Sep 17 19:10:36 MSD 2010 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 03:25.25 | UweBollsFunder | so contact support prior to attempting this? |
| 03:25.44 | jpinx-eeepc | UweBollsFunder: iirc stab is a shared host kernel - you really will have to talk to your provider |
| 03:25.46 | dwu | im running latest sid. during boot, why is it that some process seem to start before the it enters runlevel 2 |
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| 03:28.11 | UweBollsFunder | ok, thanks jpinx |
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| 03:29.57 | jpinx-eeepc | UweBollsFunder: yw :) |
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| 03:52.01 | rafaelsoaresbr | is mysql-workbench package included in repositories? |
| 03:54.36 | jpinx-eeepc | .versions mysql.workbench |
| 03:54.36 | jpinx-eeepc | ,versions mysql.workbench |
| 03:54.36 | jpinx-eeepc | rafaelsoaresbr: take a look in packages.debian.org . but nothing is showing here |
| 03:54.37 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'mysql.workbench' was found in i386. |
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| 03:56.38 | UweBollsFunder | jpinx-eeepc: you were right, I can't modify the kernel |
| 03:56.41 | UweBollsFunder | dammit |
| 03:57.09 | jpinx-eeepc | UweBollsFunder: sorry to hear that |
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| 03:58.35 | kurtis | Hey guys, I recently (within the past month) updated to squeeze and had every package nicely updated and stable. I just ran the aptitude update; aptitude upgrade commands and it's wanting to install some new packages, remove libswfdec package, and upgrade a TON of packages including xorg, linux-base, etc... Is there any way I can be sure this is going to work right? |
| 03:59.00 | kurtis | I just feel like that's too many packages to be upgraded since I just set this system up not too long ago |
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| 04:00.29 | kurtis | All right I'm going to take my risk :) |
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| 04:01.38 | nroot7 | I just installed debian testing on virtual box and even as root I cant install guest extensions. |
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| 04:02.22 | mmnicolas | guest additions are only useful is you intend to use X |
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| 04:02.36 | mmnicolas | iirc |
| 04:02.54 | nroot7 | I am using X |
| 04:03.11 | nroot7 | basically to resize the screen to full screen |
| 04:04.07 | mmnicolas | ill take a look at time hold on |
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| 04:08.38 | nroot7 | got it working :-) thanks |
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| 04:10.07 | nroot7 | mmnicolas : got it working thanks :-) |
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| 04:18.45 | rafaelsoaresbr | jpinx-eeepc, Judd, thanks |
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| 04:22.42 | nsadmin | kurtis: the way to be sure new upgrades will be safe on your system is to read and understand the source and analyse how it will affect, and integrate and interoperate with your system |
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| 05:22.07 | jaggz | i forgot.. how do I reinstall postfix and get its original config files to overwrite the present ones? |
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| 06:05.09 | kurtis | Hey guys, are there any alternatives to xfree86/xorg? I'm looking into building a system as lightweight as possible and I don't really need all of the overhead of those packages |
| 06:05.42 | Freak_Man | LOL good question |
| 06:05.50 | Dewi | kurtis: um... well some things render directly to the screen |
| 06:05.51 | geggam | vesa |
| 06:05.51 | Freak_Man | I would like to do the same thing |
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| 06:06.13 | Dewi | kurtis: but as frameworks go, X11 is pretty light if you strip away all the desktops and window managers etc |
| 06:07.02 | Freak_Man | Guys, I'm on Debian Lenny and I get this message when I run the Root Terminal: |
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| 06:07.12 | Dewi | Freak_Man / kurtis: like... just putting up an xterm is pretty light by today's standards, right? |
| 06:07.14 | kurtis | Dewi: ahh okay I've never stripped it that far down. Maybe I'll give that a shot first. I'm really just interested in running my own graphical app and vesa would be fine for that purpose. I didn't know if Linux restricted us from accessing Vesa without writing/using some kernel stuff |
| 06:07.20 | Freak_Man | An error occurred while loading or saving configuration information for gnome-terminal. Can any of your configuration settings may not operate properly |
| 06:07.29 | geggam | ive had x running on 33mhz but if u moved the mouse it would use 100% of the cpu |
| 06:07.38 | Nai-ux | kurtis: is this for an embedded system? or a pc workstation? |
| 06:07.52 | Dewi | kurtis: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Framebuffer-HOWTO/ |
| 06:08.20 | kurtis | Nai-ux: Umm, I would go along the lines of embedded. Basically an audio manager but with a "pretty" interface |
| 06:08.25 | kurtis | Dewi: Thanks, I'll check that out |
| 06:08.30 | nsadmin | kurtis: one alternative to x is to not run it |
| 06:09.08 | Nai-ux | you can setup ncurses programs to provide some level of interactivity |
| 06:09.23 | kurtis | nsadmin: haha that's why I'm looking for options :) (Besides text-based libraries like ncurses) |
| 06:09.59 | kurtis | Nai-ux: Yeah, I thought about that. I really do want something that looks a little prettier. It's a good educational experience as well |
| 06:10.03 | Freak_Man | I'm on Debian Lenny and I get this message when I run the Root Terminal: An error occurred while loading or saving configuration information for gnome-terminal. Can any of your configuration settings may not operate properly. |
| 06:10.03 | Freak_Man | I was trying sid repositories, but I just deleted them and updated correctly... |
| 06:10.03 | Freak_Man | Can somebody tell me what's happening? |
| 06:10.21 | nsadmin | kurtis: why do you need a library? |
| 06:10.24 | Nai-ux | kurtis: if you dont mind the xorg base, you can try small window managers , there are many out there, stacking and tiled |
| 06:10.38 | geggam | ratpoison |
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| 06:11.21 | Nai-ux | 9wm, olvwm, larswm(some crashing needs patches), evilwm |
| 06:11.41 | Nai-ux | olvwm is hilarious, was used on sun before cde |
| 06:11.42 | Dewi | nsadmin: you'd rather writing a new app for every graphics chipset? |
| 06:11.56 | kurtis | Nai-ux: thanks for the suggestions. I'll write those down for later |
| 06:12.06 | Dewi | nsadmin: or just sticking to VGA's original abilities? |
| 06:12.26 | Nai-ux | kurtis: a little larger in size is blackbox, fluxbox, window maker, enlightenment, fvwm2 |
| 06:12.28 | Dewi | (mmm, 1992 style :) |
| 06:12.48 | geggam | ratpoison |
| 06:12.57 | Nai-ux | lol |
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| 06:13.27 | Dewi | kurtis: even X is pretty hard going for development. An early library that was dominant for a long time was called Motif |
| 06:13.32 | kurtis | Nai-ux: Yeah, I do actually use fluxbox from time to time myself. I don't know if it's because I've never tried to strip down a system, but I still feel like that's too much overhead. But maybe that's just because of the "standard" configuration? |
| 06:13.40 | nsadmin | does he need graphics for something? |
| 06:14.06 | kurtis | nsadmin: Yeah. I want to build my interface graphically |
| 06:14.08 | nsadmin | standard does not include x at all |
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| 06:14.27 | Dewi | nsadmin: standard does not include much of anything, it's minimal |
| 06:14.28 | kurtis | nsadmin: Well, I mean the base configuration of X. Without modifying it. |
| 06:14.55 | Dewi | kurtis: the base configuration of X is just a grey screen |
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| 06:14.56 | Nai-ux | kurtis: i dont know, haven't used fluxbox more than a few days, i dont use anything larger than blackbox |
| 06:15.05 | kurtis | Dewi: Cool, I'll check that out. If there's a decent way to just setup a framebuffer I can just draw to, that would be perfect. |
| 06:15.05 | Dewi | kurtis: a surface to draw boxes on |
| 06:15.11 | nsadmin | what is it you really want? |
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| 06:15.47 | Dewi | kurtis: of course if you asked my opinion, I'd say you're masochistic not to just choose gtk or qt and go with that |
| 06:16.02 | nsadmin | the first thing I saw was you wanted an alternative to X, and I gave one... but you probably don't actually want to not run x |
| 06:16.14 | Dewi | nsadmin: not running X is not "an alternative to X" |
| 06:16.16 | kurtis | nsadmin: A very lightweight (in terms of memory and processor usage) method of drawing to the screen. I don't want a Window Manager or anything else unless it's absolutely needed. |
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| 06:16.41 | nsadmin | then try X with an xterm |
| 06:16.45 | kurtis | Dewi: haha yeah just a little :) |
| 06:16.54 | Dewi | nsadmin: if it was, elinks would be a useable browser in the world |
| 06:17.04 | nsadmin | Dewi: isn't it? |
| 06:17.08 | Dewi | not really |
| 06:17.14 | Nai-ux | kurtis: 9wm is like 6,000 lines of code, you could modify that to make what you want. default is a simple root menu with 1/2 pixel border around things |
| 06:17.14 | geggam | ajax killed the text browser |
| 06:17.17 | Dewi | I mean I love it and all |
| 06:17.19 | nsadmin | oh, I see, we're getting subjective |
| 06:17.22 | kurtis | nsadmin: |
| 06:17.51 | nsadmin | you shouldn't have ate the ajax! |
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| 06:18.05 | kurtis | nsadmin: I guess I'm looking for a full-screen framebuffered way to draw graphically. Any suggestions there? In my experience, X has been too much overhead for this particular project |
| 06:18.06 | Dewi | nsadmin: it's not subjective at all to suggest that you can convey more in a 640x480 to 1920x1200 grid than you can on 80x24 with a limited number of glyphs |
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| 06:18.50 | kurtis | Nai-ux: I didn't see that idea until just now. I'll definitely look into that. Thank you |
| 06:18.54 | nsadmin | suggestions are subjective, the amount you can convey is factual, whether he needs that is up to him |
| 06:18.57 | Dewi | nsadmin: and I say that as somebody who runs only 4 apps in X, everything else console |
| 06:19.10 | geggam | what 4 ? |
| 06:19.27 | geggam | xterm ? |
| 06:19.27 | nsadmin | xterm, xterm, xterm, xterm? |
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| 06:19.31 | Dewi | browser, 2 bittorrent clients, and a podcast client |
| 06:19.31 | kurtis | Dewi: I'm the same way. My terminal is open all of the time on my second monitor |
| 06:19.46 | geggam | screen ! |
| 06:19.58 | Nai-ux | nsadmin: lol |
| 06:20.02 | nsadmin | that woudlnt' be an x app |
| 06:20.16 | Dewi | but I admit it - I run other stuff in windows |
| 06:20.29 | Dewi | go on, chop me up and feed me to stallman |
| 06:20.42 | Nai-ux | i am seeing him next week |
| 06:20.51 | nsadmin | kurtis: when you say "project" does this mean you want to write something others will (potentially) use? |
| 06:20.52 | kurtis | hah I have Windows on my laptop. It's all good |
| 06:20.58 | geggam | vnc... browser ... several terminals... IM .... |
| 06:21.10 | geggam | email client |
| 06:21.12 | kurtis | nsadmin: I doubt it :) But you never really know |
| 06:21.13 | geggam | and that is on a mac |
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| 06:21.29 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 06:22.19 | nsadmin | at some point if you havent' already you should read thru man X to see if you really don't want "all that" |
| 06:22.35 | geggam | so now that linus is a UsS citizen and the US govt is screaming for backdoors into everything ask mr stallman where we go from here Dewi |
| 06:22.43 | geggam | ;) |
| 06:22.53 | geggam | and record it |
| 06:22.54 | Dewi | geggam: linus moved to the US? |
| 06:23.00 | kurtis | nsadmin: Good idea |
| 06:23.05 | geggam | he is a citizen now Dewi |
| 06:23.11 | geggam | not sure if he moved here |
| 06:23.13 | kurtis | Dewi: Yeah, you didn't see the documentary? he moved to Cali |
| 06:23.21 | nsadmin | I think he lives in santa cruz |
| 06:23.26 | geggam | o crap |
| 06:23.34 | geggam | that is like 40 minutes from here |
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| 06:25.42 | geggam | just noticed there is like 840 people here |
| 06:25.50 | geggam | well 30 |
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| 06:26.08 | Dewi | hrm, it sure has grown over the years |
| 06:26.12 | Dewi | but it's actually no noisier |
| 06:26.19 | geggam | chickens |
| 06:26.22 | Dewi | less noisy if anything |
| 06:26.37 | geggam | people still ask the same questions they used to ? |
| 06:27.25 | nsadmin | about chickens? |
| 06:27.30 | Dewi | geggam: hrm, still the same number about packaging, backports etc. Hardware situation is a little better tho, it used to be all 3d graphics and wifi questions |
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| 06:28.05 | geggam | heh... hardware .... like does this cdrom actually work with linux ? |
| 06:28.16 | kurtis | Does anyone happen to know if Macs (iBook G3 specifically) will let you program for its' graphics driver through the Open Firmware like you can use the BIOS on an x86 machine? And if so, is there a good place to read on this in Linux? |
| 06:28.16 | ghoti | Um... how do I get a list of installed packages that have pending updates? I've read man pages for dpkg and apt-get, but I don't get it... |
| 06:28.37 | geggam | heh... phonics fish... |
| 06:28.39 | Dewi | geggam: the cd-rom is the one removeable device that is all automatic and stuff after minimal install, because the installer needs it :) |
| 06:28.48 | ghoti | I see that I can use debsecan to see what has pending security errata, but not what to use just to see what's new. |
| 06:28.52 | ghoti | bows to geggam |
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| 06:29.26 | geggam | live close to oakland... phonics is my second language |
| 06:29.27 | Dewi | kurtis: most stuff goes well outside the BIOS these days |
| 06:29.39 | Dewi | kurtis: on x86 |
| 06:29.45 | ghoti | has never been to the land of oak |
| 06:30.00 | nsadmin | ghoti, if you run lenny you could try aptitude |
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| 06:30.14 | Dewi | ghoti: 'aptiutde update' tells you as one of its counts |
| 06:30.26 | Dewi | ghoti: mentions it at the end of almost any operation |
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| 06:30.40 | Dewi | ghoti: eg "54 not upgraded" |
| 06:30.42 | nsadmin | you could actually try it if you run earlier than lenny |
| 06:30.47 | geggam | ghoti, try aptitude -s ? |
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| 06:31.30 | kurtis | Dewi: yeah, good point. Thanks! |
| 06:31.52 | Dewi | aptitude has been around for like a decade |
| 06:32.00 | Dewi | ghoti: aptitude -s safe-upgrade |
| 06:32.21 | Dewi | ghoti: (that simulates running the upgrade) |
| 06:32.25 | ghoti | okay, I've been using apt-get, but not aptitude. I'll read the man page first... |
| 06:32.32 | ghoti | thanks, everyone. :) |
| 06:32.36 | geggam | aptitude is a nicer way ghoti |
| 06:32.46 | geggam | makes life easy |
| 06:32.52 | Dewi | ghoti: people know aptitude as a full-screen app but it also supports most of the apt-get commands |
| 06:32.59 | geggam | sort of like apt-get did and yum did... |
| 06:33.03 | Dewi | and it used to be smarter, but not sure now |
| 06:33.07 | Dewi | apt-get has caught up I think |
| 06:33.09 | geggam | rpm hell sucked butt |
| 06:33.10 | kurtis | So, a long story short, there's no good alternatives to XFree86/xorg in Linux? I'm suprised |
| 06:33.25 | geggam | kurtis, nerds generally use cli |
| 06:33.31 | geggam | nerds use linux |
| 06:33.34 | geggam | so... |
| 06:33.43 | Dewi | kurtis: I guess it is kind of surprising in a way, since it's such a horrible system |
| 06:34.10 | kurtis | heh, I guess that makes me a nerd that enjoys GUIs? |
| 06:34.21 | geggam | 2nd gen nerd |
| 06:34.21 | Dewi | kurtis: I'm sure somebody has probably tried to build something a bit more re-engineered for the modern world, but if they have it hasn't gained much adoption |
| 06:34.24 | geggam | or 3rd |
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| 06:35.04 | ghoti | Dewi, I'm definitely looking for something command-line; I'm trying to script a nagios check that'll give me warnings about which packages are out of date. I can already get CRITICALs from debsecan. |
| 06:35.09 | Dewi | kurtis: solaris has 2 others, one java-based |
| 06:35.10 | kurtis | Dewi: Yeah. I'm really kind of shocked. People have rewritten the wheel multiple times with everything else. Even HaikuOS has a better graphics system (in my opinion) |
| 06:35.32 | kurtis | Dewi: hmm I had no idea |
| 06:36.03 | Dewi | ghoti: there are packages called apt-cron and cron-apt for emailing notifications and doing automatic upgrades |
| 06:36.12 | Dewi | ghoti: no idea about nagios integration tho sorry |
| 06:36.21 | ghoti | So .. the best method is to parse an "upgrade" command? I note that `apt-get -s upgrade` gives me the same thing as aptitude, without asking for Y/n download confirmations |
| 06:36.27 | geggam | awk |
| 06:36.29 | kurtis | I understand Linux is based off of Unix Principles, but since a large portion of users use it on desktop machines, it would make sense if there a more desktop oriented GUI System in place that didn't rely on the Server-Client architecture |
| 06:36.35 | ghoti | yes, I'd probably do this in awk. |
| 06:36.53 | ghoti | Dewi, perhaps I'll grab those packages and see how they gather the data. |
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| 06:37.07 | Dewi | kurtis: the client-server architecture makes sense tho |
| 06:37.23 | Dewi | kurtis: you don't want individual users mucking with the screen directly |
| 06:37.31 | ghoti | kurtis: client/server architecture is the best way to handle a lot of problems. And its unix roots are solid. |
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| 06:37.52 | Nai-ux | geggam: when you said they r screaming for backdoors in everything, did u mean just crypto? or other things also.. |
| 06:37.55 | Dewi | kurtis: now the protocol and RPC system being used is a different question |
| 06:38.10 | Dewi | kurtis: and I agree that X's is antiquated and too academic |
| 06:38.43 | Dewi | kurtis: but this is precisely why you're better off dealing with high level interfaces like gtk or qt which can be ported to a better system later |
| 06:39.21 | geggam | Nai-ux, how hard is it to backdoor the compiler...do you trust it ?... if its backdoord everything it touches is suspect... stallman wrote it.. id be interested it watching a reaction to a question like that |
| 06:39.48 | kurtis | Dewi: hmm. Maybe I'm a little uneducated on how X works :) I guess the general "feeling" I get from it is that there is a lot of complication that just isn't needed for the average system. |
| 06:40.01 | kurtis | undereducated* |
| 06:40.05 | Nai-ux | geggam: link plz |
| 06:40.42 | ghoti | woot... apt-get -s upgrade 2>/dev/null | sed '1,/will be upgraded:/d;/newly installed,/,$d' | xargs -n 1 echo |
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| 06:40.58 | Dewi | kurtis: yeah, there's heaps of arcane and archaic stuff going on. But high-level APIs like GTK have been ported to windows and .NET, so they are definitely transplantable onto very different architectures |
| 06:41.18 | ghoti | but ... I don't seem to have a way to see what the versions installed and to-be-upgraded are. |
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| 06:42.15 | Dewi | ghoti: well you can check a package at a time with apt-cache policy |
| 06:42.17 | kurtis | Dewi: True. I definitely don't have any problem with using that kind of stuff. I've been loving Python recently and I love the abstraction. I guess I'd like to see something very fast, efficient, and light in terms of a graphics system for Linux. Like you said --- that will come one day :) |
| 06:42.25 | Dewi | ghoti: but there is probably a better way to do it bulk |
| 06:43.06 | ghoti | I would hope so. I mean, people always complain about rpm-based distributions. This HAS to be better, right? :) |
| 06:43.37 | Dewi | kurtis: I think it will. xorg does keep getting new features, and I expect there is a growing body of unused complication that can one day by safely ditched |
| 06:43.40 | geggam | Nai-ux, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backdoor_%28computing%29 |
| 06:43.41 | Nai-ux | geggam: if you are implying that the free and open source software world in its entirety is coming to an end i would like a reference to it not just a hypothetical theory |
| 06:43.41 | ghoti | disclosure: I'm coming from a FreeBSD background, so I may be a bit spoiled WRT package management. |
| 06:44.05 | sweetpi | ghoti: apt-show-versions -u is likely what your looking for |
| 06:44.13 | Dewi | ghoti: isn't freeBSD much like RPM, just with a more controlled package library? |
| 06:44.33 | Dewi | ghoti: this is definitely better |
| 06:44.41 | sweetpi | ghoti: it shows package names with what version is installed and what the new version is |
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| 06:45.07 | Dewi | geggam: what do you mean the government is asking for backdoors? |
| 06:45.19 | geggam | u guys not read the news ? |
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| 06:45.38 | ghoti | Hmm, I don't seem to be able to install apt-show-versions. is it not available for etch? |
| 06:45.38 | Dewi | geggam: and I think it would be easier to take control of software via the zillions of existing holes than to make the compiler somehow add them |
| 06:45.46 | kurtis | geggam: Yeah I saw that ... I don't really believe they're going to get it though |
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| 06:46.02 | sweetpi | judd: versions apt-show-versions |
| 06:46.04 | judd | Package apt-show-versions on i386 -- etch: 0.10; etch-backports: 0.14~bpo40+1; lenny: 0.15; sid: 0.16; squeeze: 0.16 |
| 06:46.07 | Nai-ux | Dewi: exactly |
| 06:46.07 | Dewi | geggam: what are you actually referring to? |
| 06:46.10 | geggam | http://www.schneier.com/ |
| 06:46.18 | jelly-home | ghoti: /msg dpkg etch sources.list |
| 06:46.20 | geggam | the trend of eavesdopping on the net |
| 06:46.20 | ghoti | Dewi, no, FreeBSD definitely isn't like RPM. More like gentoo than most other distros. |
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| 06:46.37 | geggam | where do we put trust... |
| 06:46.41 | ghoti | jelly-home: thanks, that's very helpful. :) |
| 06:46.44 | Dewi | geggam: that has nothing to do with software access |
| 06:46.49 | geggam | really ? |
| 06:46.56 | Dewi | geggam: and "access granted to law enforcement" is also not a backdoor |
| 06:47.03 | Dewi | geggam: it's called giving the cops your password |
| 06:47.13 | kurtis | The gov't wants to dip their hands into the cyber world because of interests in national security and what not just like they had telephones on a leash. The want to require every software to have the ability to be watched on demand |
| 06:47.17 | Nai-ux | Dewi: backdoors can be used by others, that are not authorized |
| 06:47.24 | geggam | linus is now a citizen of the US and under their pressure... stallman is a citizen of the US ... eiter place to put a backdoor would subvert countless systems |
| 06:47.39 | geggam | just saying |
| 06:47.41 | Nai-ux | it essentially puts the control to organized crime, and the criminals used other means of communicating that aren't backdoored |
| 06:47.48 | Nai-ux | s/used/use |
| 06:47.51 | Dewi | ... |
| 06:48.02 | Dewi | geggam: the US has stronger protections against that than any other country on earth |
| 06:48.03 | sweetpi | !ot |
| 06:48.03 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 06:48.04 | ghoti | Dewi: this is the tool I'd use in FreeBSD: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=pkg_version |
| 06:48.14 | geggam | sorry sweetpi |
| 06:48.26 | geggam | up late doing small migrations i read too much news |
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| 06:48.52 | ghoti | sweetpi: thanks, that does sound what I'm looking for. |
| 06:48.59 | ghoti | fights with sources.list |
| 06:49.09 | sweetpi | ghoti: np |
| 06:49.21 | EmleyMoor | Having trouble, fish? <g> |
| 06:49.51 | ghoti | no, learning is never trouble. :) |
| 06:49.59 | EmleyMoor | Ah, god |
| 06:50.01 | EmleyMoor | good |
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| 06:50.38 | EmleyMoor | will be potentially messing this machine up in two weeks... |
| 06:51.26 | EmleyMoor | How can I find out what is holding a removable device "busy"? |
| 06:52.08 | geggam | lsof is one way |
| 06:52.22 | geggam | grepping for the device |
| 06:52.25 | EmleyMoor | geggam: lsof is of no help |
| 06:52.34 | kurtis | Just to share, I think "DirectFB" is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks for all of the ideas though! |
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| 06:53.21 | geggam | lsof should be of help... perhaps how u are using it isnt conducive to the correct answer ? |
| 06:53.23 | ghoti | sweetpi: got it. yes, that was exactly what I was looking for. :-) |
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| 06:53.49 | Nai-ux | EmleyMoor: if you device is /mnt/usb then "lsof |grep usb" |
| 06:54.05 | Nai-ux | if xterm shows up then check you aren't cd'd to the location |
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| 06:54.50 | EmleyMoor | Nai-ux: It's /media/backup, "lsof | grep backup" shows nothing. |
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| 06:55.08 | geggam | EmleyMoor, type mount ? |
| 06:55.17 | geggam | is there a dev ? |
| 06:55.28 | sweetpi | EmleyMoor: fuser -c /media/backup |
| 06:55.34 | geggam | ooo |
| 06:55.37 | geggam | cheater |
| 06:55.48 | geggam | lsof /media/backu[ |
| 06:55.51 | geggam | too |
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| 06:56.20 | sweetpi | I dont see how lsof didnt work though |
| 06:56.25 | EmleyMoor | sweetpi: No ouput |
| 06:56.31 | geggam | pwd ? |
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| 06:56.37 | sweetpi | EmleyMoor: are you doing as root? |
| 06:56.49 | EmleyMoor | sweetpi: Yes |
| 06:57.06 | geggam | perhaps she is wd in the /media//backup and removed the device |
| 06:57.26 | geggam | she used coreectly ? |
| 06:57.27 | EmleyMoor | He is not, and has not |
| 06:57.31 | geggam | :D |
| 06:57.34 | geggam | sorry |
| 06:58.03 | EmleyMoor | I have looked for the dev (sde1) too |
| 06:58.05 | geggam | so u have a usb drive inserted and ? |
| 06:58.15 | sweetpi | EmleyMoor: what is telling you the device is busy? |
| 06:58.17 | geggam | dmesg | grep sda |
| 06:58.21 | geggam | dmesg | grep sd |
| 06:58.30 | EmleyMoor | sweetpi: umount |
| 06:58.42 | geggam | type cd |
| 06:58.44 | geggam | then umount |
| 06:59.20 | Nai-ux | EmleyMoor: if that doesn't work can you try a force unmount fuser -km /media/backup |
| 06:59.43 | jpinx-eeepc | EmleyMoor: also - try to sync before umount |
| 06:59.45 | EmleyMoor | geggam: I knew that wouldn't work |
| 07:00.01 | EmleyMoor | Nai-ux: Will bear that in mind |
| 07:00.08 | EmleyMoor | jpinx-eeepc: Likewise |
| 07:00.18 | jpinx-eeepc | geggam: I really do not advise forcing umount - it can do bad things to the fs |
| 07:00.22 | nsadmin | EmleyMoor, did a window pop up when you put a media in the device? |
| 07:00.31 | nsadmin | maybe it's konq |
| 07:00.42 | geggam | jpinx-eeepc, id agree... but i didnt recommend that |
| 07:00.53 | EmleyMoor | The Windows box in the room is in need of a reboot - maybe that would release it |
| 07:01.09 | nsadmin | EmleyMoor, did a window pop up when you put a media in the device? |
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| 07:01.11 | Nai-ux | is it exported? |
| 07:01.12 | jpinx-eeepc | geggam: apologies tha was for EmleyMoor |
| 07:01.15 | EmleyMoor | nsadmin: First umount attempt was from the gnome file window it popped up |
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| 07:01.51 | nsadmin | maybe I was unclear |
| 07:02.01 | EmleyMoor | Nai-ux: Yes. It should, however, have been released |
| 07:02.15 | nsadmin | when you FIRST introduced the media to the device, did a window pop up? |
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| 07:02.31 | EmleyMoor | The device IS the media, and yes |
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| 07:03.03 | geggam | u know the hardest part about this game is asking the person the right question |
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| 07:03.53 | geggam | do u have a little icon on the desktop that defines the device you plugged in ? |
| 07:04.07 | geggam | if so can u right click and look at the properties ? |
| 07:04.35 | EmleyMoor | geggam: Looking... |
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| 07:04.53 | geggam | and while u are at it...try "eject" from that menu |
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| 07:06.08 | Nai-ux | EmleyMoor: you could try a lazy umount.. umount -l /media/backup |
| 07:06.18 | sweetpi | How would lsof not list anything for the mount point or device? (confused) |
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| 07:06.25 | Nai-ux | my quess is gnome or smb is holding on to it |
| 07:06.31 | EmleyMoor | "Unmount Volume" from that menu gives "Cannot unmount voluwe: An application is preventing the volume 'backup' from being unmounted." |
| 07:06.54 | EmleyMoor | ... net of 1 typo |
| 07:07.09 | geggam | so what is on the "backup" |
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| 07:07.16 | Nai-ux | sweetpi: do defunct pids don't show up in lsof? |
| 07:07.20 | geggam | music ...documents ? |
| 07:07.22 | EmleyMoor | Nai-ux: gnome wouldn't be, smb might but shouldn't... |
| 07:07.40 | EmleyMoor | geggam: folders, each containing tar.bz2 files |
| 07:07.46 | sweetpi | Nai-ux: ah didnt think of that. not sure |
| 07:08.05 | geggam | did u attempt to untar one of them with a gui or command line ? |
| 07:08.12 | Nai-ux | i have other random guesses but they wont help except for entertainment |
| 07:08.18 | EmleyMoor | geggam: Not since last reboot, ne |
| 07:08.19 | EmleyMoor | no |
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| 07:08.50 | geggam | and u are running commands in a terminal ... as su - ? |
| 07:09.14 | EmleyMoor | I am running the commands in a "Root Terminal" |
| 07:09.22 | geggam | type su - |
| 07:09.27 | geggam | int he root terminal |
| 07:09.29 | Nai-ux | "id" will tell u what user |
| 07:09.38 | geggam | so does whoami |
| 07:09.43 | EmleyMoor | Prompt returns straight away |
| 07:10.00 | geggam | now type lsof | grep media |
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| 07:10.06 | geggam | now type lsof | grep -i media |
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| 07:10.50 | EmleyMoor | One entry only, nothing to do with the device in question |
| 07:10.57 | geggam | what is the entry ? |
| 07:11.13 | EmleyMoor | gnome-set 13412 phil mem REG 253,1 62904 1220812 /usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon-2.0/libmedia-keys.so |
| 07:11.23 | geggam | nice |
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| 07:11.37 | geggam | lsof | grep -i backup |
| 07:11.48 | sweetpi | EmleyMoor: were you doing "sudo lsof | grep backup" before? |
| 07:12.43 | Nai-ux | you could try a "/etc/init.d/smb restart" and see if that releases the disk |
| 07:12.58 | geggam | 3.14 = pie backwards |
| 07:13.05 | EmleyMoor | sweetpi: No |
| 07:13.19 | sweetpi | EmleyMoor: ok, just checking |
| 07:13.35 | EmleyMoor | Nai-ux: I might - I may however let David reboot his box first |
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| 07:14.36 | geggam | just killed his 4th 930 day uptime machine of the night |
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| 07:15.01 | geggam | so far the record is 1437 |
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| 07:15.28 | Nai-ux | i gave up on home uptimes when my ups battery drained one time |
| 07:15.40 | geggam | these arent mine |
| 07:15.43 | geggam | companies |
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| 07:15.57 | geggam | i tend to update more often |
| 07:16.08 | EmleyMoor | is going back to bed for a bit anyway |
| 07:16.12 | Nai-ux | what do you use for bare metal DR on them? |
| 07:16.18 | geggam | dr ? |
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| 07:16.28 | Nai-ux | disaster recovery, imaging |
| 07:16.36 | geggam | custom software |
| 07:16.44 | geggam | sort of like kickstart but not |
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| 07:16.58 | Nai-ux | storix is good, can do real-time imaging, from the guys who did mksysb for Aix |
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| 07:17.41 | geggam | company has a team that does nothing but develop this |
| 07:17.42 | Nai-ux | EmleyMoor: if the smb restart doesn't work, kill X with ctrl+alt+backspace but all graphics stuff will go down |
| 07:17.58 | geggam | doubt that takes it out Nai-ux |
| 07:17.59 | jelly-home | Nai-ux: ooh, it has tsm bindings |
| 07:18.03 | Nai-ux | geggam: that would be fun |
| 07:18.08 | Nai-ux | jelly-home: :)) |
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| 07:18.25 | geggam | i just shoot the nerds at work with nerf guns |
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| 07:20.48 | Nai-ux | for nerd in work do nerf |
| 07:21.45 | geggam | yeah... we mod the guns...we can leave welts... im working on a nerf claymore |
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| 07:23.00 | Linux-CLI | hi |
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| 07:23.29 | Linux-CLI | I'm looking for a very small IDE, all I need is C++ syntax-highlighting, capability of having multiple C++ files opened at once, and a compile function. I am using a Debian-based build... any recommendations? |
| 07:23.36 | geggam | anjuta |
| 07:23.58 | geggam | or vi |
| 07:24.01 | Linux-CLI | anjuta? |
| 07:24.03 | Linux-CLI | Hmm |
| 07:24.11 | Linux-CLI | Let's hope that doesn't have many dependencies! |
| 07:25.40 | ghoti | votes for vi |
| 07:25.48 | ghoti | well, vim. |
| 07:26.14 | Linux-CLI | xD |
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| 07:26.23 | Linux-CLI | Nah, that's too difficult to use on a phone |
| 07:26.30 | jelly-home | phone? |
| 07:26.53 | ghoti | what's your input device? |
| 07:26.55 | sweetpi | why are you typing the exact stuff in ##linux? |
| 07:26.58 | jelly-home | IDE... with multiple files open... on a phone? |
| 07:27.01 | Linux-CLI | WOOT: I got Internet to work =] |
| 07:27.07 | Linux-CLI | jelly-home: Yup |
| 07:27.16 | Linux-CLI | codes on the go |
| 07:27.30 | geggam | nerd |
| 07:27.32 | Linux-CLI | hahahaha |
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| 07:27.39 | Linux-CLI | Your the one in an IRC channel |
| 07:27.48 | Linux-CLI | :P |
| 07:27.48 | ghoti | his the what? |
| 07:28.03 | geggam | im bored. im upgrading servers..run command..watch crap puke by |
| 07:28.12 | ghoti | hands out free apostrophes |
| 07:28.24 | geggam | donates |
| 07:28.34 | Linux-CLI | donates em-dashes |
| 07:28.37 | jelly-home | donate's? |
| 07:28.37 | The_Ace | <ghoti> his the what? <-- he's the ONE. he can see the code |
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| 07:28.42 | Linux-CLI | âââââââââââââââââââv |
| 07:28.47 | Linux-CLI | Hoowa |
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| 07:29.08 | Linux-CLI | Wow |
| 07:29.11 | Linux-CLI | It's instaling apt |
| 07:29.17 | Linux-CLI | *installing |
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| 07:29.40 | ghoti | 3:30 AM. time for bed |
| 07:29.42 | ghoti | g'night all. |
| 07:29.55 | geggam | 1229 |
| 07:30.01 | geggam | dont have a colon either |
| 07:30.02 | Linux-CLI | How many MB does gcc take up in a standard build? |
| 07:30.23 | geggam | that is a google question |
| 07:30.27 | jelly-home | Linux-CLI: dude, stop asking in parallel in both ##linux and here |
| 07:30.31 | Linux-CLI | kk |
| 07:30.45 | jelly-home | if they don't know, then ask here (or vice versa) |
| 07:30.49 | geggam | forking questions ? |
| 07:30.54 | geggam | or threads |
| 07:31.05 | geggam | ponders |
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| 07:31.13 | sweetpi | is tired of seeing those forking quesions, yes |
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| 07:31.25 | Linux-CLI | hmm |
| 07:31.44 | Linux-CLI | I think its working |
| 07:31.57 | geggam | nope |
| 07:31.58 | geggam | its broke |
| 07:32.03 | geggam | go get a refund |
| 07:32.04 | jelly-home | Linux-CLI: also, this channel won't be able to help you with your ubuntu installation much |
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| 07:32.22 | Linux-CLI | jelly-home: It's not Ubuntu |
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| 07:32.25 | Linux-CLI | Or Debian |
| 07:32.30 | Linux-CLI | But it is Debian/Ubuntu based |
| 07:32.32 | geggam | ooo thought crime |
| 07:32.34 | jelly-home | Linux-CLI: that's not what you said in ##linux |
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| 07:33.20 | ghoti | Linux-CLI: ls -ld `dpkg -L gcc-4.3 gcc-4.3-base` | awk '/^-/{n=n+$5}END{print n}' |
| 07:33.25 | ghoti | or whatever your version is |
| 07:33.26 | jelly-home | it's not thought crime, just... if you get to a distro-specific question, answers you get here might be misleading |
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| 07:33.53 | Linux-CLI | ghoti: Thanks |
| 07:33.54 | geggam | i know jelly-home ..its late and im being goofy to stay away |
| 07:33.57 | geggam | awake |
| 07:33.58 | jelly-home | and yes, there are some that seem allergic to ubuntu word |
| 07:34.15 | geggam | ubuntu is debian that has been bloated with crap that makes it slow |
| 07:34.40 | geggam | my wife said that |
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| 07:34.41 | ghoti | a.k.a. "bling" |
| 07:34.51 | jelly-home | Linux-CLI: so, if you can be frank up front and say you're using, dunno, maemo, or what not, say so |
| 07:34.53 | geggam | and demanded debian back |
| 07:35.06 | seriouslyrad | Hey, if I "cp" the "messages" log and then "echo" to empty it. Is it possible I will lose some log entries? entries which are being pushed between the start of the cp and the echo? Or does the system lock the file on cp? |
| 07:35.18 | ghoti | seriouslyrad: yes. |
| 07:35.19 | Dweezahr | Hello, trying to create A debian live Usb stick, But I cannot mount the .img. The command: sudo mount -o loop,offset=512 debian-live-40r0-rc1-i386-gnome-USB.img test |
| 07:35.19 | Dweezahr | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:35.30 | seriouslyrad | ghoti: okay thanks |
| 07:35.35 | geggam | u might have to HUP the process writing SerajewelKS |
| 07:35.41 | geggam | er seriouslyrad |
| 07:35.58 | nsadmin | what filesystem is it? |
| 07:36.08 | Dweezahr | I tried usbfs, but then there are no files in the mount folder |
| 07:36.17 | Dweezahr | it is an img |
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| 07:36.18 | ghoti | seriouslyrad: if syslog has the messages file *open*, then you can safely 'mv' it to another name and it'll still get written to. that's because the writes happen on the inode, not the filename (which is just a pointer to the inode). |
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| 07:36.40 | geggam | nerd |
| 07:36.42 | ghoti | seriouslyrad: so it's better to: mv messages messages.0 && touch messages && killall -1 syslogd |
| 07:36.51 | Linux-CLI | geggam: Nerd! |
| 07:36.56 | ghoti | or let logrotate do it. |
| 07:37.04 | Dweezahr | file ./debian* x86 boot sector; partition 1: ID=0x83, active, starthead 1, startsector 63, 1397592 sectors |
| 07:37.20 | geggam | he said inode and i bet he has used ipcs |
| 07:37.23 | geggam | nerd |
| 07:37.25 | seriouslyrad | ghoti: Ah okay thanks that's a good point, and in theory I don't have to killall right? Or will it keep using the old file if I don't? |
| 07:37.34 | nsadmin | Dweezahr, what happens when you write the image to a cd |
| 07:37.38 | jelly-home | seriouslyrad: what ghoti said. rename the old log, and tell syslog to reopen the files, giving it the HUP (1) signal |
| 07:37.58 | Dweezahr | nsadmin, that just works fine, I wrote it to my USB stick, but now I have to mount it |
| 07:38.02 | ghoti | geggam: I haven't used ipcs... remember, I'm a FreeBSD guy. :) |
| 07:38.06 | geggam | ah |
| 07:38.09 | jelly-home | seriouslyrad: this is what logrotate does every morning |
| 07:38.11 | geggam | holdout |
| 07:38.22 | Dweezahr | nsadmin, I want to remove some files so that It fits on my USB stick |
| 07:38.31 | Linux-CLI | tar? |
| 07:38.35 | ghoti | geggam: actually, what does ipcs do in linux? in FreeBSD it reports on SysV interprocess status. |
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| 07:38.43 | jelly-home | ghoti: the same thing |
| 07:38.45 | ghoti | ah |
| 07:39.01 | seriouslyrad | jelly-home: My big issue is that I want to a script to backup logs every hour, but I read that with Apache logs, it will restart Apache which isn't great if it's every hour |
| 07:39.16 | jelly-home | ghoti: it's an SYSV API, works the same everywhere it's implemented (Solaris, Linux, ...) |
| 07:39.19 | ghoti | seriouslyrad: consider using cronolog instead. |
| 07:39.33 | ghoti | at least for apache logs. |
| 07:40.01 | seriouslyrad | ghoti: cool thanks |
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| 07:40.15 | geggam | cronolog ? |
| 07:40.19 | ghoti | http://www.google.com/search?q=cronolog |
| 07:40.26 | jelly-home | cronolog didn't strike me as particularly well written piece of software last time I took a look, but things may change in a decade |
| 07:40.36 | ghoti | heh |
| 07:40.43 | ghoti | it hasn't changed much, but it still works. |
| 07:40.52 | Linux-CLI | Woh, code-completion! |
| 07:41.40 | ghoti | goes to sleep for real this time. |
| 07:41.41 | ghoti | g'night. |
| 07:41.44 | geggam | later |
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| 07:41.59 | Dweezahr | nsadmin, with mount -t usbfs -o loop debian* ./mount It will mount, but then there is nothing in ./mount |
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| 07:42.30 | Dweezahr | nsadmin ./debian-live-506-i386-kde-desktop.img |
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| 07:42.56 | nsadmin | oh, that should be a slightly older lenny |
| 07:42.59 | dhanuxe | 850, awesome |
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| 07:44.51 | Dweezahr | nsadmin, should i try squeeze then? |
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| 07:47.43 | jpinx-eeepc | Dweezahr: did you dd the .img onto the usb stick? |
| 07:47.47 | nsadmin | Dweezahr, what happens when you write the image to a cd |
| 07:48.10 | nsadmin | looks like he has it as a file on the stick |
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| 07:48.23 | Dweezahr | jpinx-eepc, yes |
| 07:48.37 | Dweezahr | No sir, that are two diffrent things |
| 07:48.46 | Dweezahr | First I would like to simply mount the .img |
| 07:48.47 | jpinx-eeepc | Dweezahr: what was the command you used to dd it ? |
| 07:49.01 | Linux-CLI | is epicly happy! - He wrote & compiled a "Hello World!" program on his phone :P |
| 07:49.21 | Dweezahr | jpinx-eeepc, dd if=./debian-live-506-i386-kde-desktop.img of=/dev/sdb |
| 07:49.27 | Dweezahr | that works just fine |
| 07:49.36 | Dweezahr | But Now I would like to mount it on another computer to change the .img |
| 07:49.46 | Dweezahr | That computer already runs debian |
| 07:49.51 | jpinx-eeepc | Dweezahr: good, then mount that img |
| 07:50.01 | Dweezahr | It says unknown file system type |
| 07:50.05 | Dweezahr | when I use -t usbfs |
| 07:50.10 | Dweezahr | then there are no files in the mount folder |
| 07:50.10 | hell_razer | http://paste.enzotools.org/show/1254/ and crontab for all user is empty. what its can mean? |
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| 07:50.29 | jpinx-eeepc | Dweezahr: don't specify a -t option |
| 07:50.58 | jpinx-eeepc | Dweezahr: mount -o loop foo.img bar.mountpointt |
| 07:51.01 | Dweezahr | jpinx-eeepc, then it says mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 07:51.16 | jpinx-eeepc | dwthen you have a bad image |
| 07:51.23 | Dweezahr | mount (util-linux-ng 2.13.1.1) |
| 07:51.24 | jpinx-eeepc | Dweezahr: |
| 07:51.26 | jpinx-eeepc | ^^ |
| 07:51.31 | Dweezahr | yes, I will dl it again |
| 07:51.33 | jpinx-eeepc | meh |
| 07:51.52 | jpinx-eeepc | Dweezahr: where are you getting it'? |
| 07:52.31 | Dweezahr | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/5.0.6-live/i386/usb-hdd/ |
| 07:53.36 | jpinx-eeepc | Dweezahr: ok - try again... |
| 07:54.00 | Dweezahr | I will sha1 it then |
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| 07:54.42 | chilli0 | How can you cut a file in terminal ? |
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| 07:55.31 | simonrvn | split |
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| 07:56.40 | Dweezahr | sha1 command not found |
| 07:56.45 | Dweezahr | How Can I install sha1? |
| 07:56.52 | simonrvn | sha1sum ... |
| 07:57.14 | Dweezahr | aha, thank you |
| 07:57.50 | simonrvn | dude didn't even say thank you :/ |
| 07:57.56 | simonrvn | Dweezahr: yw |
| 07:58.02 | NoReflex | hello! anyone know why sed won't convert CR to CRLF for a telnet session (using netcat)? I tried 's/$/\n\r/' | nc -vv -T ip_address 23 |
| 07:58.34 | Dweezahr | it is sha1 on bsd though, so i was confused |
| 07:58.41 | simonrvn | ah ok |
| 07:58.58 | simonrvn | it's in coreutils, so extremely likely to be installed ;) |
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| 07:59.14 | Dweezahr | yeah, i did apt-get install coreutils and it said already installed |
| 08:00.11 | Dweezahr | jpinx-eeepc, you know what sha1sum gave the same result as the server |
| 08:00.13 | simonrvn | it's in standard task iirc, so if it's not, your system is borked |
| 08:00.26 | NoReflex | I'm trying to connect to the cli interface of a speedtouch adsl modem ... using cat myfile | nc .... where myfile had username0x0A 0x0D password 0x0A 0x0D help 0x0A 0x0D worked... |
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| 08:00.59 | Dweezahr | jpinx-eeepc, this should mean that the file is correctly downloaded |
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| 08:04.26 | jpinx-eeepc | Dweezahr: indeed - so dd it without specifying anything |
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| 08:06.21 | nordin | hello guys, I have a question relating to own mail acount. I want my app to be able to send mail through the internet when something happened. What are necessary components needing to be able to send outside your local network. This means, do I really need an acount to an SMTP server? If so, is there a free SMTP server to register? |
| 08:07.19 | geggam | 1st u should answer to whom are u sending hte mail ? |
| 08:07.41 | Dweezahr | jpinx-eeepc, I have successfully installed it on my USB stick, yes, But I cannot mount it on my debian installed computer, "mount -o loop ./debian-live-506-i386-kde-desktop.img. Mount: you must specfy the filesystem type" "mount -o loop -t usbfs ./debian* ./mount" "cd mount, ls gives no results du -hs ./mount : 0" |
| 08:08.05 | nordin | geggam: I want my app send the mail to for example my gmail acount when someting happened at home. |
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| 08:08.13 | BlackFate | geggam, just use ssmtp to relay gmail or other mail servers |
| 08:09.34 | BlackFate | nordin, * |
| 08:10.12 | nordin | BlackFate: yes? |
| 08:10.18 | BlackFate | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:11.11 | nordin | BlackFate: ok thnx for your answer, I appreciate it. |
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| 08:20.09 | jpinx-eeepc | Dweezahr: sorry, getting busy herre - try -t auto |
| 08:21.02 | geggam | fdisk -l the usb device ? jpinx-eeepc |
| 08:21.17 | Dweezahr | jpinx-eeepc, Tried that, then mount uses usbfs, but there are no files in the mount folder |
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| 08:22.05 | jpinx-eeepc | Dweezahr: that's right - it's an image |
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| 08:22.28 | jpinx-eeepc | Dweezahr: is anything else using loop devices atm ? |
| 08:22.48 | nikin | hy. i came to ask when do you anticipate debian 6 to be released. As the upgrade window is closing up on me on the server. And i would like to switch to debian. |
| 08:23.18 | jpinx-eeepc | nikin: no reason for you not to install lenny |
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| 08:23.25 | Dweezahr | mount: shows no other mount point with /dev/loop |
| 08:23.48 | Dweezahr | jpinx-eeepc, mount uses /dev/loop0 as loop device for the image |
| 08:23.59 | jpinx-eeepc | Dweezahr: yes - usually |
| 08:24.13 | jpinx-eeepc | unless something else is using it |
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| 08:27.35 | Dweezahr | jpinx-eeepc, This is happening on debian, fedora and ubuntu |
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| 08:30.02 | jpinx-eeepc | Dweezahr: yea - it smells of a bad image or a bad usb stick |
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| 08:30.47 | Dweezahr | jpinx-eepc, I have to go now, thanks for your help, I have mailed the debian-live mailinglist maybe they know it, the sha1sum was correct though |
| 08:31.47 | jpinx-eeepc | Dweezahr: sorry for my slow replies - hope you get it sorted |
| 08:32.53 | yopyop | hello, i have a problem on squeeze, i did default install. a dhclient is running even if i start the system with cable unpluged, my guess is that it's launch by avahi-autoipd. but that dhclient is taking 5 min to get ip from my dhcp. |
| 08:33.50 | yopyop | once it get ip, it keep the ip like it would have been a static ip for long time |
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| 08:35.58 | nsadmin | it'd be kinda hard to get an ip with the cable disconnected |
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| 08:36.30 | yopyop | once you connect the cable, it take 5 min to get an ip |
| 08:36.37 | nsadmin | you're making several statements, which one actually describes the problem |
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| 08:38.09 | yopyop | my problem is when i connect the cable after the boot, it took 5 min to get ip. |
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| 08:39.00 | Bushmills | tried to connect cable during or before boot? |
| 08:40.10 | yopyop | yes, it works |
| 08:41.22 | yopyop | once it got an ip if i unplug the cable, the ip stays in the config. |
| 08:42.24 | nsadmin | when you connect the cable did you try ifdown/ifup? |
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| 08:48.23 | yopyop | works fine with ifdown/up |
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| 08:48.46 | yopyop | but isn't the system suppose to manage that thing ? |
| 08:49.21 | Jordan_U | Dweezahr: (if you're still here) your offset is incorrect, unless the first partition really starts immediately after the mbr, which most don't. |
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| 08:52.07 | Jordan_U | Dweezahr: You can find the correct offset with "fdisk -lu file.img" |
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| 08:59.25 | yopyop | nsadmin : found it, just add ifplugd with config |
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| 09:01.52 | yopyop | strange thing is that's not default with laptop select in dselect during install. |
| 09:03.38 | Jordan_U | yopyop: What is the output of "laptop-detect; echo $?" ? |
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| 09:07.15 | NoReflex | hello! anyone know why sed won't convert CR to LF-CR for a telnet session (using netcat)? I tried sed -e 's/$/\n\r/' | nc -vv -T ip_address 23 |
| 09:08.29 | nsadmin | I would check that out on files locally |
| 09:08.42 | NoReflex | I'm trying to connect to the cli interface of a speedtouch adsl modem ... using cat myfile | nc .... where myfile had username0x0A 0x0D password 0x0A 0x0D help 0x0A 0x0D worked... I just can't get sed to work with nc |
| 09:09.02 | jelly | NoReflex: do you mean CRLF (\r\n) instead? |
| 09:09.14 | nsadmin | maybe sed isn't the right tool? |
| 09:09.21 | NoReflex | jelly I tried with CRLF as well - but that didn't work either |
| 09:09.24 | nsadmin | maybe you want unix2dos |
| 09:09.25 | jelly | NoReflex: I'd use expect. |
| 09:09.43 | NoReflex | jelly, never heard of expect.... |
| 09:09.51 | jelly | you did, just now |
| 09:09.58 | nsadmin | you can test with files locally to see if sed is doing what you want or not |
| 09:10.36 | geggam | expect allows you to magnify your errors at an alarming pace |
| 09:10.39 | jelly | NoReflex: alternatively, there's perl's Net::Telnet if you plan on scripting something |
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| 09:11.47 | jelly | used used to use Net::Telnet::Cisco, but moved to Net::Appliance::Session because the former didn't support ssh sessions |
| 09:12.38 | NoReflex | thank you guys for the tips - I'm looking into them right now |
| 09:12.45 | geggam | wouldnt u be able to do the crlf thing with tr ? |
| 09:12.58 | NoReflex | geggam, i tried tr also - no luck :( |
| 09:13.00 | yopyop | Jordan_U, 0 |
| 09:14.35 | Jordan_U | yopyop: Odd, I thought d-i used laptop-detect, but laptop-detect is correctly reporting that your computer is a laptop. |
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| 09:18.34 | yopyop | i know, during install it let him install that laptop part, just weird to have to enable ifplugd to have a auto ip configure. and even with that, i have to wait 15 sec between unplug/plug cable from different network to get the correct ip. |
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| 09:27.16 | martin__ | i have the noise floor calibration timeout issue with current squeeze kernel. tried to search for a related bug via merkel.debian.org but only got an internal server error. |
| 09:28.03 | martin__ | is this a known bug? (both merkel and ath5k calibration timeout) |
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| 09:36.37 | martin__ | is the ath5k kernel module the madwifi one? |
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| 09:37.34 | ImaginaryFriend | hej a quick question - any idea for a videostream-recording via mplayer - so that on broken connection the dump is continued and APPENDED to existing dumpfile? |
| 09:37.59 | martin__ | and if not - why there's no more madwifi in debian repositories. not even nonfree |
| 09:38.18 | ImaginaryFriend | martin__: madwifi is proprietary |
| 09:38.38 | martin__ | ImaginaryFriend: i don't care - ath5k seems to be broken |
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| 09:40.29 | EmleyMoor | I still can't see why my USB disk is stuck mounted |
| 09:41.06 | EmleyMoor | Not samba or X holding it, neither lsof nor fuser can give me any clues |
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| 09:43.14 | Dewi | EmleyMoor: happens to me too, but only very occasionally |
| 09:43.46 | EmleyMoor | Dewi: On those occasions, what do you do? |
| 09:44.09 | Dewi | EmleyMoor: sync, wait, yank |
| 09:44.32 | Dewi | EmleyMoor: or just reboot |
| 09:44.33 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm... done |
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| 09:50.13 | EmleyMoor | Lost sde as a possible device in consequence - but that's no great problem |
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| 09:51.25 | EmleyMoor | Full backups night tonight here |
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| 09:54.39 | EmleyMoor | Damn - looks like I'm going to need a reboot to stop this keeping happening |
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| 10:02.54 | dudz_ | locales is broken or not fully installed, |
| 10:03.14 | dudz_ | when i run dkpg-reconfigure locales |
| 10:03.22 | dudz_ | *dpkg-reconfigure |
| 10:04.57 | buu | Try apt-get install locales ^_6 |
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| 10:09.54 | dudz_ | lol thanks buu , i didn't expect it was that simple |
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| 10:16.49 | sdousley | Hi all, I have a server, with a hardware raid card. I've just expanded the raid set, and rescanned the card for the sizes. fdisk has seen the increase in size, and i've re-created /dev/sda1 with the new size |
| 10:17.07 | sdousley | now, when running resize2fs /dev/sda1 it's saying that the partition is alreday X blocks long, nothing to do. |
| 10:17.20 | sdousley | How cna I get resize2fs to "see" the new space to expand into? |
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| 10:29.09 | reber | hi all. Is it possible to install debian with an ubuntu livecd and debootstrap ? The question is how to replace ubuntu debootstrap with debian debootstrap. |
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| 10:29.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | reber: you don't need to, debootstrap shipped in ubuntu can bootstrap debian |
| 10:29.59 | reber | Kamping_Kaiser, oh really ? *Cool* ! |
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| 10:30.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | reber: ya, really :) |
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| 10:52.11 | harout | hi can I use SSH password as a command-line parameter? |
| 10:53.53 | sedulous | harout: an easier and arguably more secure way is to use password-less public key authentication instead |
| 10:54.12 | harout | ok |
| 10:55.53 | f8l | harout: Now tell #openssh guys you have found your answer. |
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| 10:56.09 | harout | no! i did not |
| 10:56.24 | harout | cos I want it as i asked |
| 10:56.37 | harout | it's for my scripts |
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| 10:57.50 | f8l | harout: `echo 'password' | ssh` If you want to use such insecure methods. |
| 10:58.04 | BigRedS | I have two volumes. A was rsynced to B last night, and then today I broke the file permissions on A. Is there an easy way to *just* apply the file permissions as on B to A? |
| 10:58.07 | harout | ok good |
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| 11:00.00 | f8l | BigRedS: rsync tries not to send more data then needed. rsync back and it should go quickly. |
| 11:00.25 | BigRedS | f8l: I've pondered that, but some files have changed content... |
| 11:00.51 | bint | anyone knows if its possible to set up deluge1.3 under debian lenny ? |
| 11:00.57 | BigRedS | I'm thinking a script that check the perms on the backup drive and -execing that to a find.... |
| 11:01.55 | f8l | bint: It probably is. |
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| 11:16.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | I seem to need ifconfig during the installer process to get the wireless up, but can't find the udeb for lenny (while had no problems finding iwconfig), could someone give me a pointer? |
| 11:18.33 | f8l | gives CutMeOwnThroat a (void*)0x0 pointer. |
| 11:18.50 | f8l | CutMeOwnThroat: It should be in net-tools. |
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| 11:19.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | f8l, found that, but there's only a deb, no .udeb |
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| 11:20.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | is it possible to install the .deb during the install? |
| 11:21.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm not sure why this distinction between .deb and .udeb exists ... nor what the major differences are |
| 11:21.50 | f8l | CutMeOwnThroat: I think all the udebs should be loaded in one of install steps... |
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| 11:23.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | udeb seem simpler and have no postinst etc |
| 11:24.26 | bint | if i install something with apt-get install - where does it usually store all the data's of this app |
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| 11:25.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | f8l, I somewhere found that ifconfig used to be part of busybox, but now the functionailty was taken over by "ip" |
| 11:25.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | don# |
| 11:25.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | don't see that myself, though |
| 11:25.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | bint, dpkg -L packagename |
| 11:26.15 | bint | oh thank you |
| 11:26.23 | f8l | bint: Mainly in /usr, but depends on a package. |
| 11:28.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | and the reason I need it is a weird one, too... the wireless doesn't associate, if I don't run "ifconfig wlan0 up" first |
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| 11:30.30 | f8l | CutMeOwnThroat: And you can't use iwconfig instead? |
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| 11:33.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | I seem to need to use both |
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| 11:33.21 | bint | how often should i do apt-get update apt-get upgrade |
| 11:33.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well, I finished the base-install of the stuff that was on the netinst |
| 11:33.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | but the current system doesn't ev^en have scp |
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| 11:33.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | ssh* |
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| 11:35.15 | f8l | bint: Follow the security announcements, and upgrade if you have a package that is affected by a security bug. |
| 11:35.15 | ksk | bint: what do you mean? u want to install updates as soon as possible? |
| 11:35.28 | ksk | try "apticron" |
| 11:35.36 | bint | ok thank you |
| 11:35.45 | ksk | it emails you, if there are updates |
| 11:35.55 | bint | i didn't install mail so far :D |
| 11:36.58 | bint | if i want to install something from that is "unstable" do i have to change somewhere my system to unstable or can is there an advanced apt-get command to get unstable files |
| 11:37.01 | f8l | bint: Normally once a week should be good. I run it daily as I use sid, but stable is not changing that quick. |
| 11:37.09 | bint | ok |
| 11:37.36 | f8l | !tell bint about backports |
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| 11:38.33 | f8l | bint: There is a way to install sid's packages on stable, but it's not recommended. Use backports instead. |
| 11:38.57 | f8l | thinks he overuses the word "instead" today. |
| 11:39.40 | bint | ok |
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| 11:40.00 | bint | or just change to unstable |
| 11:40.24 | bint | is it a high security risk, running a webserver "unstable" |
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| 11:40.44 | f8l | bint: You can if you feel you can cope with problems alone. |
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| 11:41.11 | bint | well i'm not at all into linux and stuff.. |
| 11:41.33 | bint | i'm happy that there is stuff like apt-get - makes things so much easier for me :D |
| 11:41.44 | geggam | someone is talking via the bot .... or have i been up too long ? |
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| 11:42.07 | f8l | bint: So take your time and gain experience. You probably want to try testing first. |
| 11:42.19 | bint | jup |
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| 11:43.41 | jaggz | i forgot.. how do I reinstall postfix and get its original config files to overwrite the present ones? |
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| 11:44.25 | geggam | purge the old packages and reinstall |
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| 11:47.19 | geggam | does the macerena.... |
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| 11:47.29 | geggam | last box to migrate |
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| 11:52.13 | abrotman | !tell jaggz about confmiss |
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| 11:55.24 | jaggz | thanks brot |
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| 11:57.16 | NoReflex | hey guys! I did some more research on my problem regarding the conversion of CR and LF and I've come up with: sed "s/$/\r/g" | tr '\r\n' '\n\r' .... this should work and I've tested it on a file succesfully. However because sed is buffered it does not flush the buffer after newlines. any idea how I could force it? |
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| 12:02.52 | jaggz | it seems more secure, if these accounts are email-only, to just use a virtual domain setup; foo@bar.com will be /whatever/bar.com/foo ... I don't care to use an SQL database for the handful of accounts I'm establishing though .. |
| 12:03.04 | Martin_vW | Hi. A few days ago, samba in backports was updated from 2:3.4.8~dfsg-2~bpo50+1 to 2:3.5.5~dfsg-1~bpo50+2. Is there any way to install the old version? I tried aptitude install 'samba=2:3.4.8~dfsg-2~bpo50+1', but that doesn't work. |
| 12:03.12 | jaggz | but I do need to setup my imapd (dovecot?) to handle their passwords.. what do you guys recommend? |
| 12:04.06 | jaggz | martin, I just go into aptitude, enter on the package, and pick the version I want.. I don't remember the commandlines at the frequency at which I would use it otherwise. |
| 12:04.40 | f8l | NoReflex: `sed -u` |
| 12:04.48 | geggam | jaggz, i have dovecot amavis spamassasin setup with users/ domains in mysql .. email / imap files are laid out like you are talking about |
| 12:04.50 | NoReflex | f8l, tried that as well - did not work |
| 12:04.59 | geggam | there is a very nice how to on the net |
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| 12:05.23 | geggam | NoReflex, from what i have read the answer is to change the code of netcat and recompile |
| 12:05.42 | Martin_vW | jaggz: unfortunately, the only older versions of samba available in aptitude seem to be the versions lenny-updates and lenny, not the older version that was available in lenny-backports till a few days ago. |
| 12:05.46 | f8l | NoReflex: Why do you need it flush every line? |
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| 12:06.10 | bvk | how do i know if my system has iommu support or not? |
| 12:06.23 | abrotman | Martin_vW: is the new one broken ? |
| 12:06.29 | NoReflex | f8l, because if I don't I can't login -> the output never reaches netcat ip 23 |
| 12:06.55 | geggam | can i ask why are are netcatting and not telnetting ? |
| 12:07.21 | Martin_vW | abrotman: It's causing printing issues on about 500 production servers. These issues are probably only affecting us, but we weren't able to fix them in the last 2 days, so we trying to downgrade Samba to have more time to fix them. |
| 12:07.35 | abrotman | !tell Martin_vW about sdo |
| 12:07.41 | NoReflex | geggam, I wanted to use the same tool (netcat) - telnet isn't always available |
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| 12:08.02 | NoReflex | the openbsd version has a switch for converting newlines (-C) |
| 12:08.02 | abrotman | Martin_vW: not sure if they house bpo packages or not .. but you also might want to check your system apt cache |
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| 12:11.05 | Martin_vW | abrotman: that could be the solution I'm looking for; they do have backports too. Thanks! |
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| 12:11.51 | f8l | NoReflex: I'd write a simple C program. |
| 12:12.07 | jaggz | geggam, I think my only option is to use passwd files, one per domain I guess.. |
| 12:12.40 | f8l | NoReflex: Of course if it is sed problem. |
| 12:12.53 | jaggz | martin, hm. could just go download the .deb and -i it |
| 12:13.14 | jaggz | but there should be a way of listing older versions if they're still available in the repositories |
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| 12:14.16 | abrotman | jaggz: he could NOT find it .. if you don't have it, you can't install it |
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| 12:15.53 | jaggz | you can rename the current .deb :) |
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| 12:17.38 | Martin_vW | jaggz: dpkg -i on 500 servers is no fun ;) |
| 12:18.22 | abrotman | jaggz: are you on drugs? how would that help him? |
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| 12:19.00 | jaggz | I think it made him smile. |
| 12:19.48 | Bushmills | while read server; do scp file $server; ssh $server dpkg -i file; done < serverlist |
| 12:20.13 | Bushmills | can probably parallelize execution |
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| 12:23.35 | frikinz | Hi guys; anyone know a usb wifi dongle with external antenna that works? |
| 12:23.52 | abrotman | Bushmills: pssh perhaps or dsh |
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| 12:24.35 | The_Ace | frikinz, dlink has those |
| 12:24.47 | syn4pse | frikinz www.aircrack-ng.org they have big lists on wifi chips |
| 12:25.54 | frikinz | ok thanks, will search again. for now, atheros based chipset dongle should be avoided. |
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| 12:28.30 | flo` | hi |
| 12:28.58 | flo` | i'd like to check out if insserv and parallelizing my boot process could speed things up. however, i want be able to revert the changes insserv does |
| 12:29.14 | flo` | can insserv itself revert the changes? or how do i have to backup the current state? |
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| 12:34.59 | reber | got a problem "error 18" in grub after debootstrap. ideas to try ? |
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| 12:38.22 | f8l | reber: Look up what this error means first. ;-) |
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| 12:44.00 | frikinz | I may be blind but dlink has no wifi usb dongle with antenna. |
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| 12:50.27 | abrotman | frikinz: maybe ask #wireless or ##hardware |
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| 12:51.54 | flo` | does debian _support_ minit or runit? or does it only offer these programs, but no init-scripts for them? |
| 12:52.25 | abrotman | those are apps that check to see if something is running and runs it if it is not? |
| 12:52.53 | abrotman | flo`: both of those are in Debian |
| 12:53.55 | flo` | well, aren't they (at least minit) replacements for sysv-init? |
| 12:54.22 | f8l | flo`: Yes. Both of them. |
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| 12:55.14 | flo` | is there any howto/wiki/whatever describing how to use minit instead of sysv-init in lenny? |
| 12:55.19 | abrotman | judd: info runit --release lenny |
| 12:55.21 | judd | Package runit (admin, optional) in lenny/i386: a UNIX init scheme with service supervision. Version: 2.0.0-1; Size: 107.9k; Installed: 432k |
| 12:55.31 | flo` | google didn't tell me anything... |
| 12:55.32 | abrotman | flo`: what's wrong with the one you already have ? |
| 12:55.40 | abrotman | the init system i mean |
| 12:55.50 | abrotman | flo`: those packages would have documentation if you install them |
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| 12:56.01 | frikinz | abrotman: it's linux-wireless who adviced me atheros. then received the dongle; did not work; they told me another one works rock solid. 15mn after receiving the new ones, I encountered the problem. I now have 6 dongles which do not work. Unfortunatly, the workin ones (ralink) are now very hard to find |
| 12:56.20 | flo` | abrotman, i'd like to parallelize it (which can also be done with CONCURRENCY, i know), i'd like to see if it's faster and i like to play ;) |
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| 12:56.55 | abrotman | frikinz: do not work with which kernel? ath5k should work |
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| 12:57.13 | abrotman | flo`: so install them, play with them .. they have documentation |
| 12:57.23 | flo` | okay... i'll try ;) |
| 12:57.51 | abrotman | make sure yu have a CD or sometihng to boot into rescue mode when they blow up :) |
| 12:58.05 | flo` | i don't intend to _replace_ init ;) |
| 12:58.23 | flo` | but, i have a backup and i have knoppix ;) |
| 12:58.31 | frikinz | abrotman: with any kernel. I was using ath9k_htc. it's the htc part which is a pain. over usb. Do you know some dongles that work with ath5k? |
| 12:59.01 | frikinz | abrotman: the most valuable info I got was on... ubuntu wiki compatibilty |
| 12:59.14 | abrotman | frikinz: which kernel are you using *right now* that does not work with that device? |
| 12:59.34 | frikinz | abrotman: 2.6.35, 2.6.36 |
| 12:59.46 | abrotman | frikinz: so you're self-compiling kernels? |
| 12:59.59 | frikinz | abrotman also compat wireless on top of latest stables |
| 13:00.04 | abrotman | frikinz: so you're self-compiling kernels? |
| 13:00.14 | abrotman | frikinz: why don't you use the kernel from your distro ? |
| 13:00.17 | flo` | gnah... minit does NOT ship scripts :( |
| 13:00.19 | frikinz | abrotman: both. first from experimental and then self compiling |
| 13:00.42 | flo` | only a minit <--> sysv-init compatibility thingy which doesn't help at all (as it does what init does ;) ) |
| 13:01.00 | frikinz | abrotman: but I think it's a hardware defect |
| 13:01.28 | abrotman | !ath9k |
| 13:01.28 | dpkg | [ath9k] a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver for Atheros 802.11n PCI/PCI-E wireless LAN chipsets. Included in the mainline Linux kernel since 2.6.27. Lenny users: ask me about <bdo> to install a later kernel image package containing this driver. AR9287 and AR2427 are supported in Debian 2.6.32 kernel images. For USB 802.11n device support, ask me about <ar9170>. http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k |
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| 13:02.19 | frikinz | yes, this one is the next one they adviced me. on ubuntu wiki; they say they have the same bug of unplug/replug needed. |
| 13:02.34 | frikinz | I'll end up with 20 dongles with atheros in a week |
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| 13:03.16 | abrotman | this isn't Ubuntu . this is Debian |
| 13:03.33 | The_Ace | frikinz, is this for laptop ? |
| 13:03.33 | frikinz | abrotman: debian has nothing about this bugs which are real... |
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| 13:04.18 | frikinz | The_Ace: for an geode etx x86. but it also doesn't work on my amd64 laptop. |
| 13:04.34 | frikinz | The_Ace: Embedded system running debian. works great |
| 13:04.42 | The_Ace | ah |
| 13:04.43 | frikinz | just not the wireless lol |
| 13:04.59 | The_Ace | it doesnt have PCI or PCie expantions ? |
| 13:05.35 | frikinz | The_Ace: my eval card has but not the final product. we expected that we could find 1 working usb dongle |
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| 13:06.46 | The_Ace | frikinz, my experience with wifi usb dongles is that they never work for long |
| 13:06.51 | The_Ace | even on windows |
| 13:06.51 | frikinz | In fact my first idea was that they should never have taken wifi over usb (I got in the middle of the project) |
| 13:06.55 | frikinz | hum exactly |
| 13:07.05 | abrotman | anyway ... |
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| 13:09.34 | frikinz | ok, I'll try to find a workaround. thanks |
| 13:09.40 | The_Ace | frikinz, what wifi dongles did you try ? which brand/models ? |
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| 13:10.22 | frikinz | tplink TL-wn422g and the "real nlite" tl-wn722g both with atheros. one is the 9271 and other one; can't remember |
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| 13:11.07 | frikinz | I'm in text more right now and not so keen on lynx :) |
| 13:11.15 | frikinz | *mode |
| 13:11.52 | frikinz | from 3 different pcs |
| 13:11.57 | The_Ace | did you try dlink DWL-G122 ? |
| 13:12.51 | The_Ace | http://www.dlink.com/products/?pid=334 <-- this |
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| 13:16.56 | frikinz | The_Ace: I need an external antenna. But I think I will ask for this constraints to be removed as it limits a lot the number of dongles. |
| 13:17.57 | paxcoder | hello. i've got this rust bucket laptop, and it forgets time each time it's unplugged. the problem is, it forces fsck every time it boots after being unplugged for that reason. i can't break it (it'll just reboot again and do the same). can't it pick up time from ntp servers before reading a "superblock [which] is in the future"? how about just making it ignore time traveling superblocks? |
| 13:18.21 | frikinz | The_Ace: yes, I bet this one would work. rt73 |
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| 13:18.38 | gele | Hello, I'm having some problems with suspending my laptop using recent Debian Testing. Half of the time it works OK, half of the time I just get a blank screen when it resumes. I can't even switch to another text-mode VT using Ctrl-Alt-F1 etc, but if I had another X session running when I suspended I can change to that using Ctrl-Alt-F8. When I switch back to the first X session using Ctrl-Alt-F7 it's still blank. |
| 13:19.02 | gele | Any idea what might be wrong? |
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| 13:28.46 | gele | I'm assuming it's something in Xorg since it only seems to be one X session that is blank, the other virtual terminals work fine once I can switch to them, whether they are in text mode or running X. |
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| 13:29.20 | joltcan | paxcoder: or just use tune2fs to set days to zero? |
| 13:29.55 | paxcoder | joltcan, lemme look into |
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| 13:30.49 | joltcan | paxcoder: -i0 |
| 13:30.59 | joltcan | -i 0 |
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| 13:31.33 | paxcoder | joltcan, k, thx. how do i run it though (or - when)? |
| 13:31.56 | cast | hey all, slightly annoying issue....LVM isn't finding the PV i have on this md volume, any ideas? if i have a look with od -c, i see the VG name |
| 13:32.24 | paxcoder | joltcan, or is it enough to run it once? |
| 13:32.27 | joltcan | paxcoder: tune2fs -i 0 /dev/foobar |
| 13:32.46 | joltcan | paxcoder: then it will not base the fsck on last checked date, only on mountcount |
| 13:32.47 | cast | with strings i can see all the metadata, but {pv/vg}scan don't find it :( |
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| 13:33.04 | joltcan | paxcoder: so once is enough |
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| 13:33.24 | discordianfish | hi |
| 13:33.50 | discordianfish | is it possible to set a grub password via /etc/default/grub? i can't find anything about that.. |
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| 13:34.15 | joltcan | discordianfish: no, via /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 13:34.18 | paxcoder | joltcan, thanks. |
| 13:34.28 | discordianfish | is it possible to set a grub2 password via /etc/default/grub? i can't find anything about that.. |
| 13:34.31 | discordianfish | ;) |
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| 13:36.11 | discordianfish | support fur authentification is in grub2 since 2009-08, but it seems that debian does not support it atm |
| 13:36.30 | discordianfish | guess i'll have to write a /etc/grub.d script for it, right? |
| 13:39.11 | joltcan | grub-pc is available in lenny, but I have no idea on if it supports auth or not |
| 13:40.05 | ycas | hallo |
| 13:40.13 | joltcan | doesn't look like it from the source |
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| 13:41.28 | joltcan | discordianfish: auth should be available in testing though |
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| 13:42.57 | jordanm | discordianfish: couldn't you get the same effect from setting a BIOS password? |
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| 13:44.05 | abrotman | jordanm: you can reset a BIOS |
| 13:44.31 | cast | to be fair reseting a grub passwd is less work... |
| 13:45.01 | abrotman | cast: you mean to bypass it ? |
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| 13:47.33 | discordianfish | jordanm: no, it have no access to the bios (hosting environment) |
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| 13:49.42 | obreiro | Hi people. do you know how to connect to a SFTP (SSH) server with nautilus when the srver is in a different port than 22 ? (p.e. sftp://user@server:1022 ) |
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| 13:50.36 | qwd | obreiro: file -> connect to server, you can choose port there |
| 13:51.07 | petemc | or use ~/.ssh/config , you can specify ports for hosts in there |
| 13:51.14 | obreiro | thanks, but this option don't allow to create a link |
| 13:51.33 | qwd | yes it does? "add bookmark"? |
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| 13:53.53 | obreiro | Sorry I was in a mistake, nautilus run well with the standard sintaxis like sftp://user@server:1022/ |
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| 14:01.22 | iman | i download flash player it consists a .so file,have i to where copy it? |
| 14:03.13 | jordanm | iman: only the debian flash packages would be supported here |
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| 14:05.23 | iman | jordanm, i have debian , and download flash player for linux 64 bit, and i want to know how can i install it because it only has a lib file with perfix .so -> libflashplayer.so |
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| 14:06.51 | jordanm | iman: you want to install the package provided by debian backports, not from adobe.com |
| 14:07.22 | ElDeablo | Bom dia! |
| 14:07.23 | hideki | Are you using iceweasel ? |
| 14:07.29 | iman | jordanm, from where can i donsload it |
| 14:07.35 | iman | hideki, yes |
| 14:08.12 | hideki | you can install it in ~/.mozilla/plugins/ |
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| 14:08.25 | jordanm | !tell iman about bdo |
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| 14:08.37 | hideki | you will probably have to cd ~/.mozilla, then mkdir plugins first |
| 14:09.11 | hideki | But I suggest Gnash, as flash is proprietary |
| 14:09.40 | iman | hideki, yes, i have this dir |
| 14:10.24 | hideki | Just put libflashplayer.so into it. If it is installed correctly, you should be able to see it in about:plugins in Iceweasel. |
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| 14:12.56 | brbrbr | flash sucks in ALL incarnations, IMO :/ |
| 14:13.31 | brbrbr | can't wait for Google to drop this sick container FINALLY. 4 YouTube |
| 14:13.39 | hideki | Agreed. Hopefully HTML5 will replace it, at least for some applications. |
| 14:14.01 | zinx | most places using flash have no intentional of using HTML5, because they use flash due to its DRM |
| 14:14.10 | brbrbr | HTML5/6/7/8 is solution 4 other problem |
| 14:14.15 | zinx | s/intentional/intention/ how'd i mess that up >_< |
| 14:14.17 | iman | hideki, i copy it into ~/.mozila but i dont know see flash file in iceweasel yet |
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| 14:14.43 | hideki | You have to mkdir plugins, then put libflashplayer.so in there |
| 14:14.47 | brbrbr | than sick, propritary "Operating systems in THAT BLOB ! Ca-Booom !"-problem |
| 14:15.12 | brbrbr | som MANY gov't uses Flash plugins for remote surveliance, so its quiclly become joke |
| 14:15.22 | abrotman | brbrbr: are you done yet? |
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| 14:15.47 | iman | hideki, eclipse extensions firefox libflashplayer.so |
| 14:15.49 | brbrbr | abrotman ? can you be more specific or ontopic at least. please |
| 14:16.03 | hideki | what ? |
| 14:16.29 | abrotman | brbrbr: I am on-topic .. are you done ranting about flash? try #debian-offtopic |
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| 14:17.57 | brbrbr | 1. on which one ? rushing to someone's conversations ? 2. not even start about flash. just about danger lack of software engineering 3. sure, thanks |
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| 14:18.55 | hideki | Personally, I understand how you feel about flash. I feel the same of all proprietary software/formats in general. |
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| 14:19.43 | Guest86194 | In Debian where the Wired network connection icon is next to the date in the upper right corner of the screen, it shows an Exclamation Point error. How do I get rid of it |
| 14:19.55 | iman | hideki, i can see only first scene of movie and it's static |
| 14:20.00 | Guest86194 | In Debian where the Wired network connection icon is next to the date in the upper right corner of the screen, it shows an Exclamation Point error. How do I make it work again |
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| 14:20.17 | Guest86194 | Its not working |
| 14:20.29 | hideki | iman: strange, does it show "Shockwave Flash" in about:plugins |
| 14:20.51 | Guest86194 | In Debian where the Wired network connection icon is next to the date in the upper right corner of the screen, it shows an Exclamation Point error. How do I make it work again |
| 14:21.03 | rawtaz | hi! im installing debian (squeeze) for like the first time in many years, and got to the part where you choose partitioning. afaik i want to use LVM to have dynamic partitioning, but i am unsure about the encryption. having it encrypted sounds good indeed, but i would like to ask; what reasons would there be for NOT going the encrypted LVM route? |
| 14:21.15 | jordanm | Guest86194: posting the same question multiple times is not going to help |
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| 14:21.35 | iman | hideki, i sent to you url site |
| 14:22.20 | iman | hideki, i think iceweasel is not suitable with this flash player version |
| 14:22.44 | hideki | It should work fine, if not you can try Gnash |
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| 14:22.55 | deviant | rawtaz: performance. |
| 14:23.03 | jordanm | i think you should have been using debian packages as recommended in the first place... |
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| 14:23.09 | hideki | rawtaz: encryption can run slightly slower |
| 14:23.14 | iman | hideki, ok, i search about Gnash now , thank you |
| 14:23.19 | Guest86194 | !help |
| 14:23.23 | Guest86194 | !google test |
| 14:23.28 | deviant | rawtaz: encryption can negatively impact your I/O and cpu performance. |
| 14:23.28 | Guest86194 | In Debian where the Wired network connection icon is next to the date in the upper right corner of the screen, it shows an Exclamation Point error. How do I make it work again |
| 14:24.11 | hideki | rawtaz: also, it requires you to enter passphrase at startup, which can only be done locally |
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| 14:24.59 | Guest86194 | In Debian where the Wired network connection icon is next to the date in the upper right corner of the screen, it shows an Exclamation Point error. It's a software problem |
| 14:25.06 | Guest86194 | In Debian where the Wired network connection icon is next to the date in the upper right corner of the screen, it shows an Exclamation Point error. It's a software problem. |
| 14:25.16 | hideki | Note: you should choose a strong passphrase if using encrypted partition. I recommend you look at diceware. |
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| 14:25.21 | zinx | Guest86194: start by not repeating yourself |
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| 14:25.53 | zinx | Guest86194: after that, i would recommend uninstalling network-manager and installing wicd, but that's possibly a personal preference :P |
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| 14:26.34 | iman | i can't see with Gnash :(( |
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| 14:28.07 | hideki | OK. Try downloading the *latest* version of flash, and put it in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins. Restart Iceweasel and try again. |
| 14:28.28 | Rug | Guest86194: does wicd still have a problem with WPA2 passwords? |
| 14:29.11 | bint | anyone bored and wants to explain to a totally linux noob how to install deluge1.2 or higher on a debian lenny system? i just can't find a good tutorial howoto or wiki bout that |
| 14:29.35 | jpinx-eeepc | ,versions deluge |
| 14:29.37 | judd | Package deluge on i386 -- sid: 1.2.3+git20100712.0b609bf-1; squeeze: 1.2.3+git20100712.0b609bf-1 |
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| 14:30.01 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell bint about ssb |
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| 14:30.38 | rawtaz | deviant: hideki: sounds like thats about it :) yeah the passphrase is annoying but understandable :D would you say its a noticeable performance impact? are there any general numbers one usually speaks about, like "it adds x% of overhead"? |
| 14:30.42 | bint | oh |
| 14:30.46 | bint | its in the backports rep? |
| 14:31.06 | paradigm | I don't think it is |
| 14:31.11 | bint | ah no it isn't |
| 14:31.13 | hideki | Not really that much. Not sure about benchmarks. |
| 14:31.19 | jordanm | !tell bint about ssb |
| 14:31.30 | bint | you already did :D |
| 14:31.35 | jpinx-eeepc | ,depends deluge --release squeeze |
| 14:31.36 | judd | Package deluge -- depends: python (>= 2.5), deluge-gtk (= 1.2.3+git20100712.0b609bf-1). |
| 14:31.52 | jpinx-eeepc | ,versions python |
| 14:31.53 | judd | Package python on i386 -- etch: 2.4.4-2; lenny: 2.5.2-3; squeeze: 2.6.5-13; sid: 2.6.6-3 |
| 14:32.09 | jpinx-eeepc | ,depends deluge-gtk --release squeeze |
| 14:32.10 | judd | Package deluge-gtk -- depends: python (>= 2.5), python-support (>= 0.90.0), deluge-common (= 1.2.3+git20100712.0b609bf-1), python-glade2, python-notify, notification-daemon, librsvg2-common, xdg-utils. |
| 14:32.19 | rawtaz | thinking about it, the server is in a server hosting place with a good physical security. i guess that pretty much kills the reasons for using encryption like this. |
| 14:32.28 | rawtaz | s/is/will be/ |
| 14:32.36 | jpinx-eeepc | bint: I hope you are making notes while I do the legwork for you :p |
| 14:32.48 | iman | hideki, i dont know why, but i can see only first picture of movie |
| 14:33.03 | bint | well not notes.. but i'm tryin to understand :) |
| 14:33.17 | hideki | iman: Not sure either, but it should work fine. |
| 14:33.34 | deviant | rawtaz: have a look at some benchmarks over the net. It's noticable in normal usage for me. |
| 14:33.36 | jpinx-eeepc | bint: read the factoids very carefully |
| 14:33.55 | iman | hideki, in fedora or debian or puppy or suse or windows i dont have any problem like it |
| 14:33.58 | bint | look.. here the problem start.. i even dont know exactly what factoids are.. |
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| 14:34.24 | jpinx-eeepc | !factoid |
| 14:34.24 | dpkg | A factoid is something resembling a fact or unverified (often invented) information that is given credibility because it appeared in print, or a brief (usually one sentence and usually trivial) news item, or often-repeated info, stored to keep people from having to repeatedly explain something. This thing you're reading right now is called a "factoid". |
| 14:35.22 | bint | wow.. does this work with every word i dont know? |
| 14:35.51 | rawtaz | i guess itd work with everything that could be called "fact", and that you heard/read somewhere :) |
| 14:36.04 | tab1ta | hello, anyone knows where does debian put the config file of the default apache installation? |
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| 14:36.13 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell bint about message the bot |
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| 14:36.31 | tab1ta | I tryed something like grep http.conf but it wasn't exactly working |
| 14:36.59 | hideki | /etc/apache/ or /etc/apache2/ |
| 14:37.35 | tab1ta | k |
| 14:37.57 | tab1ta | thanks |
| 14:39.06 | ruyo | What's the best way to create a package from an already debian package, change its name and make it conflict with the debian's one? |
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| 14:40.17 | abrotman | ruyo: why would you? |
| 14:40.33 | ruyo | I've apt-get source'd the package, but just changing the name in the PKG-INFO and in debian/command but it's not working very well. |
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| 14:40.56 | abrotman | just install your modified version, and put hte package on hold |
| 14:41.08 | ruyo | To deploy a modified package but without losing the init scripts and all those debian-specific patches. |
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| 14:42.19 | ruyo | abrotman, I could do that, but I'd like a .deb to deploy on several computers. |
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| 14:44.17 | tab1ta | Is the default httpd.conf file of the apache2 installation "empty"? |
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| 14:44.41 | petemc | tab1ta: yes |
| 14:45.27 | iceroot | tab1ta: you are looking for /etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
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| 14:45.38 | tab1ta | ok |
| 14:46.05 | abrotman | ruyo: yes .. use debuild .. build the package ... deploy it |
| 14:46.10 | abrotman | or make your own apt repo |
| 14:46.42 | rawtaz | can someone verify that ive understood this correctly; if i want to set up a host with its regular root,/home/usr/var, etc, and then create some guests using kvm, each guest having its set of seperate partitions (same as the host) on an lvm LV, should i still choose "Guided LVM" during the install? or will the guests not be able to use LVM and create seperate partitions on that LV that they each get one of? |
| 14:47.08 | ruyo | abrotman, but won't that interfere with apt-get update if a new release comes out? |
| 14:47.23 | petemc | rawtaz: that sounds like you would have 2 layers of lvm, probably not what you want |
| 14:47.35 | rawtaz | petemc: yeah, there's an itchy feeling about it. |
| 14:47.40 | abrotman | !tell ruyo about hold |
| 14:48.25 | tab1ta | !hold |
| 14:48.25 | dpkg | somebody said hold was a status flag that tells the package manager not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package: 'echo <package> hold|dpkg --set-selections'. It is also possible to use aptitude: 'aptitude hold <package>'. Note that the hold flag set using aptitude might be ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager and Synaptic), but aptitude will respect the hold set in the dpkg database. |
| 14:49.25 | Guest86194 | In Debian where the Wired network connection icon is next to the date in the upper right corner of the screen, it shows an Exclamation Point error. It's a software problem. |
| 14:49.35 | Guest86194 | How do I make it work again? |
| 14:49.46 | Guest86194 | OR what should I Search for in Google? I'm having trouble finding what to search for in Google |
| 14:49.59 | Guest86194 | sorry, I exercise, I don't really know that much about computers |
| 14:50.19 | Guest86194 | hello? |
| 14:50.37 | jpinx-eeepc | Guest86194: what release are you ussing? Lenny? |
| 14:50.43 | Guest86194 | yes |
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| 14:50.44 | jhutchins | Guest86194: Time to start learning network configuration and troubleshooting. |
| 14:50.49 | hdtdi | hello i installed debian-core kde-base and everything to minimum. but now my fn+f1,2,3,4 buttons dont work? does anyone knows what i need to install to make it work again ? |
| 14:50.50 | Guest86194 | Right |
| 14:51.06 | jpinx-eeepc | and what desktop environment? Gnome? |
| 14:51.08 | jhutchins | Guest86194: Open a terminal window and type su - |
| 14:51.13 | Guest86194 | I go to Administration -> Network in Gnome |
| 14:51.16 | Guest86194 | okay |
| 14:51.19 | Guest86194 | done |
| 14:51.24 | Guest86194 | I typed su - then my roo tpassword |
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| 14:51.38 | jhutchins | Guest86194: good, now ifconfig |
| 14:51.40 | jordanm | hdtdi: use tasksel to install the laptop task. |
| 14:51.49 | Guest86194 | it has three here |
| 14:51.53 | Guest86194 | eth2, lo, and ppp0 |
| 14:52.06 | Guest86194 | I'm using dialup to connect because I can't connect to the network |
| 14:52.08 | ruyo | abrotman, that should do the trick, yes. And seems the easiest approach. Thank you. =) |
| 14:52.11 | jhutchins | Ok, I'm guessing your ppp connection is down.. |
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| 14:52.19 | Guest86194 | ppp0 is what I'm on now |
| 14:52.34 | abrotman | he's probably not in the right group |
| 14:52.39 | jhutchins | Guest86194: Ok, then the error is because eth0 is down. |
| 14:52.56 | abrotman | is it really that important? it's just an icon |
| 14:52.58 | Guest86194 | I'll take the cable and plug it into eth-0 |
| 14:53.05 | Guest86194 | ok |
| 14:53.10 | Guest86194 | it says that eth0 is there |
| 14:53.31 | Guest86194 | Before, I solved my problem by typing "modprobe 8139too" |
| 14:53.34 | tab1ta | to kill a process you have to know the process number don't you? |
| 14:53.40 | Guest86194 | and it only worked on my D-Link card |
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| 14:53.48 | tab1ta | how do you get it? |
| 14:54.01 | jpinx-eeepc | tab1ta: ps-e |
| 14:54.06 | tab1ta | the process number i mean |
| 14:54.09 | tab1ta | ok |
| 14:54.11 | jpinx-eeepc | ps -e |
| 14:54.41 | Guest86194 | ok, I typed that |
| 14:54.51 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: he hasn't got the cable in the right socket, let alone himself int he right group... |
| 14:54.53 | Guest86194 | it says network-adin, wvdial, pppd, and su are open |
| 14:54.58 | Guest86194 | also gksu-run-helper |
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| 14:55.16 | Guest86194 | I tried putting it in both my VIA Rhine and D-link card and it still won't connect |
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| 14:56.45 | Guest86194 | In Debian where the Wired network connection icon is next to the date in the upper right corner of the screen, it shows an Exclamation Point error. It's a software problem. |
| 14:56.51 | tab1ta | iceweasel is not running... log: Bus error |
| 14:57.00 | Guest86194 | How do I make it work again? |
| 14:57.04 | Guest86194 | OR what should I Search for in Google? I'm having trouble finding what to search for in Google |
| 14:57.45 | tab1ta | i cannot even search with google a solution |
| 14:57.50 | tab1ta | ... |
| 14:57.51 | jpinx-eeepc | is he on a loop? |
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| 14:58.14 | Guest86194 | nope |
| 14:58.23 | Guest86194 | I have to keep repeating because the other person helping me "died off" |
| 14:58.34 | jpinx-eeepc | tab1ta: you can if you install something like links2 |
| 14:58.35 | tab1ta | i added a Flash plug-in |
| 14:58.56 | tab1ta | i have something, w3m... |
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| 14:59.01 | Guest86194 | I tried putting it in both my VIA Rhine and D-link card and it still won't connect |
| 14:59.10 | Guest86194 | it says network-admin, wvdial, pppd, and su are open |
| 14:59.11 | tab1ta | anyway i've to run iceweasel.. |
| 14:59.25 | hdtdi | jordanm, damn not only that it didnt installed anything.. but just removed my apache :D |
| 14:59.34 | jpinx-eeepc | Guest86194: you are becoming extremely annoying |
| 15:00.12 | jordanm | tab1ta: thats often a problem with hardware |
| 15:01.03 | tab1ta | which hardware? |
| 15:01.34 | jordanm | tab1ta: I would suggest a memtest |
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| 15:02.54 | jhutchins | Guest86194: Sorry, my client's locking up. |
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| 15:03.19 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: becoming? |
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| 15:03.25 | tab1ta | even epiphany is just crashed |
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| 15:03.33 | abrotman | does anyone evek now which kernel he has? or which version of linux? |
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| 15:04.18 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: scrollup - I asked |
| 15:04.30 | tab1ta | what is a memtest? |
| 15:05.25 | abrotman | Guest86194: what does "dpkg -l network-manager" return? |
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| 15:08.37 | jordanm | tab1ta: most likely, memory, or memory controller |
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| 15:09.59 | jordanm | or it could be a bug in the driver |
| 15:10.08 | jhutchins_lt | For some reason even with postfix shut down postdrop and sendmail persist. |
| 15:10.37 | tab1ta | i should get the memtest package but what i don't understand is, why the process are not shown n the processes list when i type ps -e? |
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| 15:11.10 | Rug | Does squeeze use alas or pulse by default? |
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| 15:11.17 | Rug | alsa* |
| 15:11.26 | tab1ta | the hardware is old anyway so it's normal that it gives some error i guess.. |
| 15:11.35 | jhutchins_lt | !tell Guest86194 about networking |
| 15:11.49 | karlpinc | jhutchins_lt: That's because all they do is drop mail into a directory for later pickup. |
| 15:12.01 | jhutchins_lt | Guest86194: You should choose an actual nickname, there are three guests in channel already. |
| 15:12.07 | Rug | !tell Rug about sound |
| 15:12.16 | jhutchins_lt | karlpinc: Yeah, but why don't they restart when postfix restarts? |
| 15:12.26 | karlpinc | !tell rug about selftell |
| 15:12.41 | Rug | karlpinc: thanks |
| 15:12.48 | rahsputin | hi. when i execute the command $ mount my root directory is mounted on /dev/sda3 in /etc/fstab it is /dev/hda3 |
| 15:13.15 | tab1ta | in te driver of iceweasel? i don't think so.. |
| 15:13.15 | rahsputin | does this sound familiar |
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| 15:14.54 | rahsputin | it is a Laptop Internal HDD |
| 15:14.56 | tab1ta | It was the flashplayer plugin |
| 15:15.06 | tab1ta | i removed it now it's working.. |
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| 15:18.11 | jordanm | !tell tab1ta about memtest |
| 15:18.14 | Rug | note to self (and all), know wether headphones are plugged in or not before trying to troubleshoot audi not working. |
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| 15:18.47 | Guest86194 | I'll take the cable and plug it into eth-0 |
| 15:18.51 | Guest86194 | OR what should I Search for in Google? I'm having trouble finding what to search for in Google |
| 15:18.55 | Guest86194 | In Debian where the Wired network connection icon is next to the date in the upper right corner of the screen, it shows an Exclamation Point error. It's a software problem. |
| 15:18.59 | Guest86194 | How do I make it work again? |
| 15:19.15 | stew | Guest86194: it sounds like you are talking about the "netowrk-manager" application if that helps |
| 15:19.28 | tharkun | Actually the network-manager applet |
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| 15:19.58 | jhutchins_lt | Guest86194: Please stop repeating your question. Please read the information that dpkg sent you. |
| 15:20.00 | Guest86194 | how do I fix it |
| 15:20.07 | jhutchins_lt | Guest86194: Please choose an actual nickname. |
| 15:20.17 | Lynx__ | fine |
| 15:20.21 | Lynx__ | it wouldn't let me have the nickname lynx |
| 15:20.56 | jordanm | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:21.16 | jhutchins_lt | Guest86194: I presume you are running gnome, the exclamation point is simply a notification that your network is down, it is not an actual problem. You can fix the exclamation point by stopping the network manager. |
| 15:21.34 | jhutchins_lt | Guest86194: To fix your network you are going to have to read the information dpkg linked you to. |
| 15:21.41 | Lynx__ | tes |
| 15:21.42 | Lynx__ | yes |
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| 15:21.55 | Lynx__ | how can I find out where the information dpkg linked me to is |
| 15:22.02 | edwin_quijada | Hi! |
| 15:22.12 | jhutchins_lt | !tell Lynx__ about networking |
| 15:22.16 | Lynx__ | I have the ethernet cable plugged into either thing |
| 15:22.19 | jordanm | the desktop task does not include pulse |
| 15:22.20 | Lynx__ | either card |
| 15:22.21 | edwin_quijada | There is a text editor for console that has completion code for Java? |
| 15:22.32 | Lynx__ | It worked fine a few days ago, but it doesn't work anymore |
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| 15:23.03 | jhutchins_lt | Lynx__: Use the information provided by dpkg to determine why. |
| 15:23.42 | jordanm | tab1ta: "n" doesn't appear to be a state |
| 15:23.59 | Lynx__ | HOW DO I FIND THE INFORMATION PROVIDED BY DPKG!??!?!?! |
| 15:24.22 | themill | Lynx__: feel free to ask how to use your irc client in #irssi |
| 15:24.35 | Lynx__ | WHEN I TYPED APTITUDE INSTALL NETWORK-MANAGER, THERE WAS NO FUCKING INFORMATION |
| 15:24.45 | paradigm | edwin_quijada: I'm fairly sure if vim or emacs don't by default, they can be configured too. They're not the easiest programs to learn, though. |
| 15:24.46 | Lynx__ | jerks |
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| 15:24.51 | tharkun | Lynx__: cool down, no need for that |
| 15:25.04 | jordanm | tab1ta: iceweasel does not have a "driver" |
| 15:25.06 | themill | Lynx__: take a break from #debian, learn to use your irc client and then come back when you've done a bit of reading. |
| 15:25.52 | edwin_quijada | paradigm: I cant use emacs |
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| 15:27.44 | lynx__ | uggh |
| 15:27.47 | lynx__ | Now |
| 15:28.00 | lynx__ | How do I reconfigure network-manager so that it works |
| 15:28.17 | lynx__ | /bin/sh: network-manager: command not found |
| 15:28.21 | themill | .oO( ban evasion? ) |
| 15:28.31 | siya | About to migrate a machine from debian to ubuntu (reinstall on CF card). I have fakeraid for /var & /home. will reinstalling autodetect my fakeraid array or should I save the config of it somewhere? |
| 15:29.16 | cast | A: we don't do fakeraid, B: isn't that a ubuntu question |
| 15:29.28 | lynx__ | SOMEONE TOLD ME DPKG PROVIDED THE INFORMATION! HOW DO I USE DPKG TO PROVIDE THE INFORMATION |
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| 15:29.39 | jordanm | we can do fakeraid... just highly recommend against it |
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| 15:30.17 | tab1ta | jordanm: it's not the memory/ram it's the flash player plug-in which is crashing the browser |
| 15:30.28 | siya | cast, erm yes it is... Boy I need to go to bed, I'm way too dangerous today! |
| 15:30.28 | jordanm | siya: so you are downgrading? :P |
| 15:30.53 | siya | jordanm, hehe |
| 15:30.55 | jordanm | tab1ta: flash from backports or dmm? |
| 15:31.02 | tab1ta | and it's kind of annoying becauset i can't use flash |
| 15:31.16 | tab1ta | what do you mean? |
| 15:31.22 | jordanm | where did you get flash? |
| 15:31.35 | tab1ta | backports? dmm? oh from adobe |
| 15:31.37 | siya | jordanm, I need to reinstall the OS (which isn't on fakeraid but on a dedicated compact flash card) |
| 15:31.41 | tab1ta | adobe website |
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| 15:31.50 | lynx__ | hey |
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| 15:31.55 | tab1ta | i tryed from apt and i couldn't |
| 15:31.57 | lynx__ | So how do I use network-manager to fix my problem |
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| 15:32.00 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*lynx@*.dialup.mindspring.com] by themill |
| 15:32.02 | *** kick/#debian [lynx__!~stuart@unaffiliated/themill] by themill (You should know better.) |
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| 15:32.09 | tab1ta | i have flash 9.0 installed but it's not working |
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| 15:32.43 | The_Ace | whoa, themill , why kick him agian ? he had found the caps lock button |
| 15:32.47 | jordanm | tab1ta: ah, thats not supported |
| 15:32.50 | siya | digs a hole to crawl into |
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| 15:33.30 | Angstrom_ | alright |
| 15:33.42 | tab1ta | does it mean that you cannot look at video online with debian? |
| 15:33.46 | Angstrom_ | so how do I use network-manager again? or more specifically, how do I get dpkg to show me the information telling me what to do |
| 15:33.48 | themill | Angstrom_: seriously... are we going to keep playing this game |
| 15:34.06 | themill | The_Ace: (a) ban evasion is a network offence and staff may just as well k:line him. (b) he doesn't want to be helped (c) he really really seems like he just wants to be noisy |
| 15:34.11 | jordanm | !tell tab1ta about adobe flash |
| 15:34.19 | Angstrom_ | go right ahead, I have 4294967e+09 IPs |
| 15:34.23 | themill | Angstrom_: I don't know which part of "ban evasion" you don't get. Just go away. |
| 15:34.26 | Angstrom_ | No |
| 15:34.28 | Angstrom_ | I want to be helped |
| 15:34.33 | Angstrom_ | IT's just that people are giving me garbage answers |
| 15:34.36 | Angstrom_ | garbage in, garbage out |
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| 15:34.46 | Angstrom_ | so you get garbage out of me |
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| 15:34.54 | Angstrom_ | how the hell am I |
| 15:35.03 | The_Ace | which means you're asking garbage questions as well |
| 15:35.08 | tab1ta | i hope in epiphanytnks jordanm ;) |
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| 15:35.30 | PsiKlops | Hi. I have a UMTS USB Stick that i need help on getting activated: http://pastebin.com/LwFBCUWz |
| 15:35.34 | jordanm | you have not provided by or supported by debian flash... |
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| 15:35.55 | Angstrom_ | so |
| 15:35.59 | Angstrom_ | What's your problem? |
| 15:36.05 | Angstrom_ | Please tell me what I'm doing wrong |
| 15:36.11 | Angstrom_ | I'm well behaved now |
| 15:36.12 | int_80h | nobody has any interest in helping you angstrom_ |
| 15:36.21 | Angstrom_ | why not? |
| 15:36.29 | themill | Angstrom_: you're not reading anything people say, you're refuse to learn how to use your irc client and you're just being a pain in the backside |
| 15:36.35 | Angstrom_ | They care more about encryption slowing down their system than helping me |
| 15:36.56 | muddd | RTFM |
| 15:36.56 | Angstrom_ | Oh well, I'm not leaving until you answer my question |
| 15:36.57 | jordanm | The_Ace: evading bans is against the rules |
| 15:37.01 | int_80h | we're not obligated to help you. it's a kindness the community offers to those who participate |
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| 15:37.13 | muddd | nice |
| 15:37.22 | M`vy | :P |
| 15:37.24 | The_Ace | jordanm> The_Ace: evading bans is against the rules <-- LOL. ok |
| 15:37.24 | tharkun | themill: live the badge on, it will save you time |
| 15:37.39 | M`vy | A kidness the community offers! Nice one! |
| 15:38.06 | int_80h | can't tell if serious.. |
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| 15:38.22 | jordanm | tab1ta: it means you need to read about how to install debian's version |
| 15:38.43 | PsiKlops | it is a (No-Simlock) T-Online web'n walk III USB Stick |
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| 15:39.05 | The_Ace | PsiKlops, its a Huawei usb stick |
| 15:39.13 | The_Ace | what's your kernel ? |
| 15:39.17 | PsiKlops | The_Ace, yes |
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| 15:39.45 | jordanm | tab1ta: see your pm from dpkg |
| 15:39.48 | PsiKlops | The_Ace, 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 |
| 15:40.06 | jhutchins_lt | I think some people are under the impression that this is a corporate help desk staffed by paid techs. |
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| 15:40.48 | The_Ace | huaweii models upto E160G are supported by the 2.6.31 or 32 kernels |
| 15:40.51 | siya | jhutchins_lt, You mean, it's not?!... |
| 15:41.01 | siya | runs |
| 15:41.02 | jhutchins_lt | If it is, I missed my check. |
| 15:41.09 | jordanm | ah, thats the way to get volunteers to want to help you |
| 15:41.13 | The_Ace | PsiKlops, what are you using to connect it ? |
| 15:41.59 | PsiKlops | The_Ace, i havent found anything right... i tipped on gnome-ppp |
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| 15:42.21 | PsiKlops | The_Ace, but i think that the SIM Password is in the way of connection |
| 15:42.33 | The_Ace | PsiKlops, use networkmanager |
| 15:42.34 | jordanm | !3g |
| 15:42.34 | dpkg | it has been said that 3g is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3G -- the third generation of mobile phone standards and technology. If you have a 3G modem, you may wish to see http://www.pharscape.org/content/blogsection/4/53/ to get it working on linux. http://wiki.debian.org/Modem/3G . See also <usb_modeswitch>. |
| 15:42.58 | The_Ace | it has a good interface for 3G sticks |
| 15:43.03 | muddd | !awesome |
| 15:43.03 | dpkg | it has been said that awesome is a dynamic floating and tiling <window manager>. http://awesome.naquadah.org/ #awesome on irc.oftc.net. |
| 15:43.09 | muddd | wow, guess |
| 15:43.17 | The_Ace | there's also umtsmon |
| 15:43.31 | PsiKlops | kool, thanks |
| 15:43.57 | The_Ace | PsiKlops, since you dont know the huawei model number, install usb_modeswitch as well |
| 15:43.57 | jordanm | we are volunteers, we care about what we want to care about |
| 15:44.18 | The_Ace | if you have to do it the hardway, you'll need usb_modeswitch |
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| 15:45.24 | edwin_quijada | somebody has used FTE |
| 15:45.25 | peterrooney | jordanm: true. so true. we can be talked into caring about other things, but there be dragons - some rich, some hungry. |
| 15:45.27 | edwin_quijada | console |
| 15:45.28 | edwin_quijada | ? |
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| 15:45.46 | muddd | i guess somebody has |
| 15:46.08 | PsiKlops | The_Ace, model number ( $ lsusb ) ? |
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| 15:46.25 | Linex | I want to partition a drive that I'm currently using. How do I 'defrag' it so that I know I'm not partitioning where there is data ? Or else how do I check if it is clear to partition ? In Windows world, I would defrag to 'push' all the data to the front, then I partition. How do I do something similar to that effect in linux ? |
| 15:46.29 | tharkun | edwin_quijada: nano it has some on screen features that might be helpful for your |
| 15:47.03 | The_Ace | PsiKlops, the stick should have the model number at the back |
| 15:47.05 | tharkun | !tell Linex about defrag |
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| 15:47.23 | tharkun | !tell Linex about gparted |
| 15:47.24 | Freak_Man | Hello guys! |
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| 15:48.07 | PsiKlops | i think i can manage with the Information i have recieved, thank again ;-) |
| 15:48.22 | The_Ace | Bus 001 Device 002: ID 12d1:1003 Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd. E220 HSDPA Modem / E270 HSDPA/HSUPA Modem |
| 15:48.25 | Linex | tharkun: ? |
| 15:48.29 | The_Ace | its a E220 |
| 15:48.48 | PsiKlops | yes |
| 15:48.53 | Linex | tharkun: the bot is not speaking |
| 15:49.06 | tharkun | Linex: on a different window |
| 15:49.32 | tharkun | !tell tharkun about moo |
| 15:49.37 | Linex | tharkun: oh yes. sorry. Thanks |
| 15:49.41 | tharkun | nvm |
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| 15:51.05 | The_Ace | PsiKlops, E220 is supported in kernels 2.6.20 and higher |
| 15:51.31 | Linex | tharkun: isn't there a tool where I can visually 'see' the sectors in my drive/partition so that I be sure which sectors are empty and which is occupied ? |
| 15:53.37 | PsiKlops | The_Ace, does that mean i do not have to follow the steps here: http://wiki.debian.org/Modem/3G |
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| 15:53.57 | jhutchins_lt | Linex: You should read the msgs dpkg sent you. There's no real need for that in linux with the modern tools available. You can "shrink" a partition without having to look at individual sectors. |
| 15:54.31 | tharkun | Linex: I am sure there is one, though i've never used it. gparted is quite nice since it moves data out of its way so it does not messes it up |
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| 15:54.49 | The_Ace | PsiKlops, from that page : "E220 is supported natively in Linux kernels 2.6.20 and later, using the usbserial.ko (usbserial-generic interface) module. |
| 15:54.49 | The_Ace | Also usb_storage.ko is aware of HUAWEI E220 modem and no further action needs to be taken." |
| 15:55.10 | jhutchins_lt | Linex: The truely safe way is to back up the partition(s), re-partition the disk with cfdisk or gparted, then restore the data. |
| 15:55.27 | Linex | tharkun: thanks |
| 15:55.29 | The_Ace | I'm pretty sure that you can get the usb stick to work with networkmanager |
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| 15:56.07 | Linex | jhutchins_lt: ok. |
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| 15:59.57 | jhutchins_lt | Linex: That may in some cases actually be faster than using the resizing capabilities of gparted. |
| 16:00.14 | tharkun | Linex: What jhutchins_lt said is the absolute truth. Messing with partitions and not having a backup is asking for trouble |
| 16:00.32 | Linex | ok guys. thanks |
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| 16:03.44 | peterrooney | Linex: it only took me three tries and my first four years worth of saved emails to learn that. |
| 16:04.08 | muddd | damn |
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| 16:06.13 | Linex | peterrooney: and then you realized what you were afraid of losing was actually relieving to be lost. |
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| 16:07.07 | Linex | or I might be wrong. |
| 16:07.24 | muddd | Tell him the liberator who destroyed my property has re-aligned my paradigm of perception. |
| 16:07.40 | The_Ace | Linex, the lost porn was irreplaceable .. :P |
| 16:09.03 | rawtaz | to elaborate on my confusion regarding how to use LVM with KVM guests; which one would be hte most appropriate out of the alternatives at http://pastebin.com/D4jVr0kn ? |
| 16:09.40 | paradigm | muddd: leave me out of it |
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| 16:10.24 | Linex | The_Ace: replaced it was, wasn't it ? |
| 16:10.36 | muddd | chaotic neutral i assume? |
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| 16:11.32 | The_Ace | Linex, I guess not. Hence the lesson he learned in getting backups |
| 16:11.37 | MrJones | hi |
| 16:11.41 | muddd | hello |
| 16:11.47 | niklasfi | :( why is py python verions still at 2.5 if i just ran apt-get upgrade? |
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| 16:12.13 | MrJones | I'm just experimenting around with cnetworkmanager due to my limited networking abilities, but everytime I connect to a network using -C "SSID" --wpa-pass="pass" it just prints "Entering mainloop" and then nothing |
| 16:12.37 | muddd | damn lotta networkmanager issues today |
| 16:12.41 | MrJones | I got a laptop in just 1m distance that connects to the same network with the same password just fine (with 100% signal strength) |
| 16:12.56 | tharkun | niklasfi: apt-cache policy python should shed you some light |
| 16:13.24 | Trollindor | !tell Trollindor about moo |
| 16:13.34 | MrJones | someone having an idea what's going wrong here? :( |
| 16:13.48 | tharkun | !tell Trollindor about selftell |
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| 16:14.47 | niklasfi | tharkun: http://dpaste.com/251552/ what does that tell me? |
| 16:15.17 | Trollindor | Sorry, tharkun. |
| 16:15.43 | tharkun | niklasfi: that you are running lenny |
| 16:16.16 | niklasfi | tharkun: and that is calling for a dist-upgrade? |
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| 16:16.58 | ha_ha_ho | you need wpa-passphrase |
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| 16:17.20 | tharkun | niklasfi: if you want to upgrade python to 2.6.5-13 you need to upgrade the full release. |
| 16:17.36 | MrJones | anyone? :x |
| 16:18.02 | muddd | look above to ha ha ho? |
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| 16:18.10 | niklasfi | tharkun: i may be a bit dumb but... how would i do that? |
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| 16:18.52 | tharkun | !tell niklasfi about lenny->squeeze |
| 16:19.02 | stew | niklasfi: what is this machine used for? |
| 16:19.17 | stew | niklasfi: there are lots of reasons you might NOT want to upgrade to testing, like the lack of security support |
| 16:19.20 | niklasfi | server |
| 16:19.54 | tharkun | niklasfi: What kind of server ? |
| 16:20.00 | stew | a red one |
| 16:20.13 | stew | niklasfi: and there are python features in 2.6 that you need? |
| 16:20.18 | niklasfi | a virtual server which hosts my private sites |
| 16:20.33 | niklasfi | stew: the exception syntax has changed |
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| 16:20.58 | niklasfi | stew: and i dont want to go and change the code |
| 16:21.02 | tharkun | niklasfi: make a copy of the virtual disk image and try the upgrade on a non production environment |
| 16:21.17 | stew | niklasfi: you have code that you have to run that is using the 2.6 syntax? |
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| 16:22.14 | tharkun | Iron out any hickups you might encounter and copy back the new image. to the working environment. Be warned this is a path not for the faint of heart |
| 16:22.28 | claint | niklasfi: tharkun's call on making a copy of the vserver disk image is a good one. It gives you a backup if things go bad. |
| 16:22.34 | niklasfi | stew. no i progammed it on my laptop using 2.6 syntax (laptop with ubuntu was up to date i was new to python so i went with that) then today i decided to put my django on the server but... then i discovered that i get syntax errors |
| 16:23.10 | claint | niklasfi: try keep your production and development environments the same. |
| 16:23.13 | niklasfi | claint: yeah i agree however that part about testing in a non-production environment isn't easy |
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| 16:24.23 | claint | niklasfi: i try to keep same environments in development->testing->production for a project. (+staging if you got them) |
| 16:24.36 | tharkun | niklasfi: what caint just said is indeed very important. It will save you time and money |
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| 16:26.00 | martianlobster | Is there a command line utility for reducing the resolution of photos? I have 8 1.3 meg photos, that I would like to make 25K or so |
| 16:26.10 | niklasfi | well on the one hand you are right on the other hand i thought that apt always downloads latest releases therefore everything should automatically be in sync |
| 16:26.11 | stew | martianlobster: convert from imagemagick |
| 16:26.16 | tharkun | martianlobster: imagemagick |
| 16:26.18 | paradigm | martianlobster: I'm betting imagemagick should do it |
| 16:26.22 | martianlobster | thanks |
| 16:26.27 | stew | niklasfi: yes, but the latest release of debian was frozen in 2008 |
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| 16:26.29 | MrJones | I'm just experimenting around with cnetworkmanager due to my limited networking abilities, but everytime I connect to a network using -C "SSID" --wpa-pass="pass" it just prints "Entering mainloop" and then nothing. does someone have an idea how to fix this? |
| 16:26.30 | jhutchins_lt | !imagemagick |
| 16:26.46 | claint | niklasfi: ubuntu and debian aren't really in sync in their packages. |
| 16:27.10 | niklasfi | why not? sorry... i don't get this don't we all want to have the newest and best stuff? |
| 16:27.32 | stew | niklasfi: no, for a server you want stability, not a moving target |
| 16:27.34 | jhutchins_lt | niklasfi: There are very good things about Debian stable. Just because other distros have newer version numbers doesn't mean they work better. |
| 16:27.47 | claint | niklasfi: no, some people prefer stability, and new and best stuff isn't always stable and without bugs and errors. |
| 16:27.47 | jordanm | niklasfi: ah, with all its new untested bugs and regressions? |
| 16:28.07 | karlpinc | niklasfi: I find I want my desktop to work as well, consistently. |
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| 16:28.12 | karlpinc | !tell niklasfi about sns |
| 16:28.14 | niklasfi | what is with all the bug fixes that come with newer versions |
| 16:28.14 | MrJones | if my question misses some information that makes it impossible to answer it, please ask me for it! I could really need some help :/ |
| 16:28.20 | jordanm | niklasfi: would you really want, say, your default php version changing on your production server and breaking your applications? |
| 16:28.34 | jhutchins_lt | niklasfi: Remeber even though the versions may be older, Debian packages are patched to fix bugs and security issues. |
| 16:28.36 | stew | niklasfi: if they are critical/security bugs the fixes backported to stable |
| 16:28.46 | karlpinc | niklasfi: Security fixes are backported. Otherwise, there's always bugs. |
| 16:29.05 | stew | niklasfi: which ISN'T the case if you switch to testing aka squeeze to get python 2.6, which is why I'd recommend you stick to stable aka lenny with python 2.5 |
| 16:29.12 | claint | MrJones: i have no experience with cnetworkmanager, I might be able to help if you used iwconfig/ifconfig or something. |
| 16:29.31 | MrJones | claint: I basically just want to connect to a wpa net with a known ssid and password |
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| 16:30.04 | jordanm | on a side note, the current deal with git-core is a flaw in the system... |
| 16:30.06 | claint | MrJones: man iwconfig to learn its syntax, try it and let's see what you come up with. |
| 16:30.21 | MrJones | well that's the reason I use cnetworkmanager |
| 16:30.29 | MrJones | it has an api designed that can also be used by normal people |
| 16:30.44 | karlpinc | MrJones: Normal people can't type text? |
| 16:31.09 | claint | MrJones: but it gives errors normal people don't understand, so maybe it is time to get closer to the metal. |
| 16:31.17 | jordanm | iwconfig does not handle WPA... |
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| 16:31.27 | wildc4rd | afternoon all |
| 16:31.35 | MrJones | claint: yea, I noticed >.> |
| 16:31.49 | MrJones | also there seems to be no support channel dedicated to it :/ |
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| 16:33.43 | claint | MrJones: dont have iwconfig on this machine, but it is usually simple as: iwconfig essid MyNetworkId key s:MyPassword |
| 16:34.33 | MrJones | claint: does that work with wpa2? |
| 16:34.33 | niklasfi | how can they change the syntax of a language in the middle of a version anyway :( [as you may have noticed i am in a bad mood today so please excuse me for that] |
| 16:34.42 | tharkun | claint: fwiw if using wpa encryption you also need wpasupplicant to connec to |
| 16:35.13 | jordanm | "key" is only used for WEP |
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| 16:35.19 | karlpinc | niklasfi: Everybody seems to use a different version numbering scheme. :-P |
| 16:35.21 | niklasfi | offtopic: what was the old except syntax? |
| 16:35.27 | claint | see, so much new info already :) |
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| 16:36.08 | SARC | Can top be used to look at processes on a single particular logical procesor? |
| 16:36.12 | claint | niklasfi: python people don't really go for backwards compatibility. And I think they never will. |
| 16:36.24 | claint | niklasfi: python developers I mean. |
| 16:36.25 | jordanm | niklasfi: try: except <type>: |
| 16:36.52 | niklasfi | jordanm: at the moment it is: except Exeptionclass as exceptioninstance |
| 16:37.23 | claint | niklasfi: if you are going with the python solution #python might be a better place. |
| 16:37.32 | jordanm | niklasfi: you will need to ask #python about 2.6 specific features you should not be using |
| 16:37.34 | niklasfi | claint: you are right |
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| 16:38.13 | niklasfi | jordanm: the problem is that the documentation only states the 2.6 syntax |
| 16:38.28 | niklasfi | anyway got to go :) |
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| 16:38.59 | SARC | Can top be used to look at processes on a single particular logical procesor? |
| 16:39.20 | jordanm | niklasfi: syntax does not change, but features are introduced |
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| 16:40.48 | jordanm | syntax does cahnge from 2.x->3.x however |
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| 16:47.59 | claint | SARC: top shows last CPU used for a process. f,j,<Return> |
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| 16:48.15 | karlpinc | SARC: IIRC there's nothing tied to specific processors unless you do some voodoo (I'm trying to remember the vocabulary word) that does that. So you'd at most get 1 process that happens to be running at the time -- a useless answer. |
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| 16:48.58 | stew | "processor affinity" |
| 16:49.21 | tharkun | SARC: logical processor ? All the process running on that ? What is your acual goal ?? |
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| 16:51.37 | MrJones | which package contains the basic networking tool "route"? |
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| 16:52.10 | claint | dpkg -S /sbin/route |
| 16:52.10 | dpkg | You Fool! /sbin/route is installed! |
| 16:52.27 | MrJones | ah I see. just not in the path |
| 16:52.39 | tharkun | MrJones: you might also want to take a look to the ip command |
| 16:52.47 | karlpinc | MrJones: To be oh-so-sheek you could use the ip command instead. route is oldschool. |
| 16:53.00 | tharkun | karlpinc: be more respectful |
| 16:53.03 | tharkun | :P |
| 16:53.11 | MrJones | which package contains iwconfig/ipconfig? |
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| 16:53.23 | karlpinc | !tell MrJones about apt-file |
| 16:53.32 | MrJones | nice |
| 16:53.37 | MrJones | I haven't found it in apt-cache |
| 16:53.42 | Titan8990 | MrJones, no "ipconfig" in debian |
| 16:53.52 | MrJones | sorry, *ifconfig |
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| 16:55.38 | MrJones | ok I tried to write a wpa_supplicant conf :p |
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| 16:56.06 | MrJones | wpa_supplicant also started (-Dwext -iwlan0 and -c/conf/file/) but um.... well, I also ran dhclient on wlan0 |
| 16:56.17 | MrJones | and still no ip. iwconfig says "IEEE 802.11bg ESSID:off/any" |
| 16:56.24 | MrJones | so I guess I'm not even connected to the wlan network :/ |
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| 16:57.25 | Titan8990 | MrJones, I recommend wicd and wicd-curses for WPA configuration via the command line |
| 16:57.32 | MrJones | ok at least one useful hint |
| 16:57.34 | MrJones | I'll try that |
| 16:58.03 | Titan8990 | MrJones, if you are on lenny, you must grab it from backports |
| 16:58.12 | MrJones | I'm on squeeze |
| 16:58.15 | LV-426 | any mbox to maildir conversion tool in the debian repo ? |
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| 16:59.25 | stew | LV-426: mb2md |
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| 16:59.54 | LV-426 | stew, great thanks |
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| 17:02.49 | MrJones | Titan8990: wicd lists no wireless networks |
| 17:02.54 | MrJones | although NetworkManager found two |
| 17:02.57 | MrJones | :/ |
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| 17:03.49 | Titan8990 | MrJones, you need to remove network-manager before wicd will function properly |
| 17:03.54 | MrJones | I removed it. |
| 17:04.04 | tharkun | MrJones: pidof network-manager |
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| 17:04.16 | MrJones | tharkun: no output |
| 17:04.22 | MrJones | as I said, I uninstalled it even with --purge |
| 17:04.23 | MrJones | it should be gone |
| 17:04.31 | Titan8990 | is the wicd daemon running? |
| 17:04.42 | MrJones | hmmm |
| 17:04.50 | MrJones | I can run /etc/init.d/wicd start as often as I want |
| 17:04.55 | MrJones | it always claims to have just started it :/ |
| 17:04.56 | MrJones | weird |
| 17:05.10 | Titan8990 | MrJones, /var/log/daemon.log |
| 17:05.11 | MrJones | ps claims it's running though |
| 17:06.01 | MrJones | Titan8990: nothing interesting in there |
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| 17:06.12 | MrJones | no startup message either |
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| 17:06.21 | jhutchins_lt | MrJones: I was able to get my wifi working by specifying the configuration in /etc/network/interfaces and removing networkmanager and wicd. |
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| 17:06.40 | jhutchins_lt | MrJones: You may want to restart it and/or stop it first. |
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| 17:06.54 | Titan8990 | MrJones, iwlist scan still find networks? IIRC /usr/share/doc/wicd/README.Debian does describe what /etc/networking/interfaces should contain |
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| 17:07.01 | jhutchins_lt | MrJones: This can happen when a process gets as far as writing it's pid file then fails. |
| 17:07.13 | Titan8990 | jhutchins_lt, IMO, /etc/network/interfaces is terrible for wireless |
| 17:07.16 | MrJones | wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down |
| 17:07.24 | Titan8990 | its good... if you don't plan to move the network |
| 17:07.26 | claint | ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 17:07.34 | karlpinc | has been unable to get wirless working, but has never been sure the hardware was actually working. |
| 17:07.52 | tharkun | MrJones: what hardware are we talking about ? |
| 17:07.54 | jhutchins_lt | I have not been able to get networkmanager or wicd to work on squeeze. |
| 17:08.06 | MrJones | claint: now iwlist works and shows two networks again |
| 17:08.10 | MrJones | but wicd-curses still claims there are none |
| 17:08.15 | Titan8990 | hasn't had wireless issues since he got rid of his broadcom chip laptop |
| 17:08.16 | MrJones | tharkun: not sure actually, it's some PCI wlan card |
| 17:08.26 | jhutchins_lt | MrJones: Is networkmanager installed and running? |
| 17:08.28 | MrJones | iwlist does show two networks though |
| 17:08.34 | MrJones | jhutchins_lt: no it's not. wicd is installed and running |
| 17:08.45 | Titan8990 | MrJones, check the documentation I mentioned, make sure things are configured properly |
| 17:08.57 | jhutchins_lt | MrJones: I had similar problems. |
| 17:09.05 | MrJones | I don't even know what /etc/networking/interfaces is :p |
| 17:09.20 | jhutchins_lt | !tell MrJones about interfaces |
| 17:09.36 | claint | i got a new Ralink wireless card too, I had to get the drivers for it seperately, as they are not in the debian kernels yet, and it is a non-standard driver. |
| 17:09.38 | tharkun | MrJones: if iwlist shows two networks the hardware is probably well installed check what Titan8990 just said |
| 17:09.53 | MrJones | I checked |
| 17:09.56 | jhutchins_lt | MrJones: If you always connect to the same network, you don't need the managers. |
| 17:10.00 | MrJones | /etc/network/interfaces contains 4 lines |
| 17:10.06 | MrJones | 2 of them are the ones the README says should be in there |
| 17:10.11 | MrJones | the other 2 both seem eth0-related |
| 17:10.14 | MrJones | (and therefore ok I guess) |
| 17:10.39 | jhutchins_lt | MrJones: Did lenny work ok with this system? |
| 17:10.46 | MrJones | no idea |
| 17:10.51 | MrJones | I think lenny was never installed |
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| 17:12.15 | MrJones | http://fpaste.org/9TAj/ hmm. what does that mean? |
| 17:12.51 | Titan8990 | probably means the device is use by wicd |
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| 17:13.07 | MrJones | I terminated wicd |
| 17:13.10 | MrJones | (I didn't uninstall it though) |
| 17:13.27 | MrJones | oh. it left some dhclient running |
| 17:13.28 | jhutchins_lt | MrJones: You should probably consider installing lenny. Squeeze is testing, it exists so people can find and document problems like the one you're having. It is NOT ready for production. |
| 17:13.29 | MrJones | *terminates* |
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| 17:13.38 | rawtaz | ok, so when im in the partitioning of disks in a squeeze installation, how can i change the size of the biggest partition (/home, which seem to have taken up all the remaining space right now)? i want to leave space for upcoming LVs |
| 17:13.42 | MrJones | jhutchins_lt: I haven't installed this system. someone else did |
| 17:13.47 | MrJones | I rather have to deal with it as far as possible |
| 17:14.03 | karlpinc | MrJones: You can also use a new kernel, with new drivers, with lenny from backports.debian.org. |
| 17:14.14 | jhutchins_lt | Explain to them that they installed a release that's known not to work and they need to install a tested, working release. |
| 17:14.42 | jhutchins_lt | karlpinc: Seriously, I think this is a flaw in how wicd and networkmanager are working in squeeze. |
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| 17:14.58 | MrJones | no wicd or networkmanager running now |
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| 17:15.13 | MrJones | iwconfig says wlan0 IEEE 802.11bg ESSID:off/any |
| 17:15.18 | MrJones | wpa_supplicant outputs the same error message |
| 17:15.25 | MrJones | (when I try to run "dhclient wlan0" while it runs) |
| 17:15.33 | claint | jhutchins_lt: yeah, lenny is having wireless problems these days i think, but sometimes people need the new drivers in the new kernels. |
| 17:15.56 | claint | MrJones: ESSID needs to show something before you can dhclient wlan0 |
| 17:15.57 | jhutchins_lt | claint: You mean squeeze is having wireless problems. |
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| 17:16.01 | jhutchins_lt | claint: Lenny works great. |
| 17:16.04 | claint | jhutchins_lt: right |
| 17:16.19 | claint | jhutchins_lt: i mean squeeze is having wireless problems. |
| 17:16.22 | jhutchins_lt | wicd is known to be buggy, but it exists because networkmanager doesn't seem to work with all cards. |
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| 17:17.54 | karlpinc | MrJones: You could do an aptitude update; aptitude upgrade and hope the new stuff fixes things. :-/ |
| 17:19.10 | jhutchins_lt | Or he could install a working release. |
| 17:19.44 | karlpinc | jhutchins_lt: Or he could wait a few weeks, or more, for it to be fixed. |
| 17:20.04 | HackeMate | hello i have 2 problems: i need set manually my dns server every time i start session / the other one is how can i install dropbox on stable? it says requires libnautilus-extension1 >=1:2 but i have 2.20 installed |
| 17:20.09 | karlpinc | jhutchins_lt: (OTOH, sometimes it only takes hours.) |
| 17:20.15 | claint | if he is getting networks on iwlist scan, he is probably really close though. |
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| 17:21.18 | abrotman | HackeMate: where did you get that dropbox package? |
| 17:21.46 | HackeMate | via dropbox website and apt-cache search dropbox |
| 17:21.49 | jhutchins_lt | claint: I got that far but couldn't get either app to connect, I finally just fell back to a fixed config. |
| 17:22.16 | tharkun | HackeMate: Are you gettting your ip through dhcp or do you have a fixed address ? |
| 17:22.25 | jhutchins_lt | claint: I got wicd to scan the networks, but it would never complete authentication. |
| 17:22.30 | HackeMate | tharkun: fixed address |
| 17:22.48 | karlpinc | jhutchins_lt: That's as far as I got last time I tried. |
| 17:22.52 | HackeMate | configured via network-manager of gnome |
| 17:24.04 | tharkun | HackeMate: put a dns server on the network-manager applet that you used to set up your ip |
| 17:24.14 | claint | jhutchins_lt: hmmm, interesting. couple of weeks ago, i had to remove wpa-supplicant in order to connect to a wep network on a laptop. so yeah, weird things are there. |
| 17:24.15 | HackeMate | yes i do that |
| 17:24.24 | HackeMate | but when i turn off my computer, next day its empty |
| 17:24.27 | HackeMate | and i need to set it again |
| 17:25.09 | jhutchins_lt | Funny, there's a guy on oftc right now with essentially the same problem. |
| 17:25.57 | claint | jhutchins_lt: i forgot to check the bugs on wpa-supplicant as well, that reminds me. |
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| 17:26.18 | tharkun | HackeMate: ok you have an other option, ditch network-manager and do it manually |
| 17:26.33 | jhutchins_lt | claint: I wasn't able to figure out what it was that kept wicd from scanning so I didn't report it. |
| 17:26.37 | HackeMate | in etc/network/interfaces? |
| 17:26.44 | tharkun | bingo |
| 17:26.50 | HackeMate | okay there i go |
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| 17:30.02 | claint | jhutchins_lt: yeah, there are 2 bugs in the wpa-supplicant buglist about wpa-supplicant messing with the wep thing. |
| 17:30.16 | tharkun | HackeMate: remember to set up the dns server on /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 17:34.53 | HackeMate | tharkun: curiously i went to edit the /etc/resolv.conf and it is: nameserver 80.58.61.250 that is correct |
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| 17:35.11 | HackeMate | it seems as anything else overwritte this when i start session, is that possible? |
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| 17:35.41 | The_Ace | dhcp client might do that |
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| 17:35.49 | Kobaz | what's a good way to recreate all the entries that are supposed to be in /dev ? |
| 17:35.51 | tharkun | HackeMate: pidof dhclient ? |
| 17:36.24 | Titan8990 | Kobaz, udev handles that. if you are asking becuase you are trying to restore a backup that is missing /dev, then MAKEDEV generic |
| 17:36.30 | Kobaz | k |
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| 17:37.13 | tharkun | HackeMate: Is this a server ? |
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| 17:37.57 | HackeMate | tharkun: no, its my own computer and i dont find the pid of dhclient |
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| 17:38.06 | HackeMate | i have configured the ip manually already |
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| 17:39.44 | tharkun | HackeMate: ok, let me rephrase the problem. Whenever you start up your computer, you get your fixed ip address but /etc/resolv.conf gets overwriten so you do not have a dns server to access right ? |
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| 17:40.20 | HackeMate | right, then i open the network-manager and set up again my dns server, and it works all the time until i restart |
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| 17:42.38 | tharkun | HackeMate: I personaly ditched network-manager because it has a lot of inconsitencies, but then again i made a custom makefile to handle my networks. I don't know if it is indeed network-manager the one that is fu your network set up or someother program |
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| 17:43.01 | Insayne | hello, how can I find out which version of debian I am running? |
| 17:43.07 | Insayne | or which kernel it runs |
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| 17:43.11 | HackeMate | ok, there is no problem about removing network-manager, i dont have wifi in this desktop so... |
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| 17:43.21 | HackeMate | i will use interfaces and resolv.conf |
| 17:43.47 | cahoot | Insayne: uname -r for the latter |
| 17:44.05 | tharkun | HackeMate: if you have a dhcp server it might be more sane to set yourself a fixed address using that |
| 17:44.06 | Insayne | and what is the current kernel ? |
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| 17:44.52 | stew | Insayne: "lsb_release -a" might tell you which debian version you are running, "/msg judd kernels" for currently available kernels |
| 17:45.04 | stew | Insayne: if lsb_release doesn't work, check /etc/debian_version |
| 17:45.09 | HackeMate | tharkun: hm true that |
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| 17:46.29 | Gabrys | hello, I have a question regarding packaging of python modules |
| 17:47.09 | Gabrys | pylucene (http://packages.debian.org/sid/text/pylucene) package is available for python 2.5 only, shouldn't this be also available for python 2.6? |
| 17:47.30 | Insayne | I heard the kernel i run is vulnerable to exploiting |
| 17:47.35 | Insayne | its version: 2.6.27.10-grsec-xxxx-grs-ipv4-64 |
| 17:47.37 | Insayne | is this true? |
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| 17:47.49 | Insayne | (I did an apt-update, then apt-upgrade, not sure if that affects kernel though) |
| 17:47.59 | Gabrys | also other python modules are named differently, to match those, pylucene should be named python2.5-pylucene |
| 17:48.27 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 17:48.29 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.36-rc5-686 (2.6.36~rc5-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-24); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-23); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-23~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-25lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 17:48.55 | jhutchins_lt | Insayne: Where did you get your kernel? |
| 17:49.06 | Insayne | from the guys who installed the server |
| 17:49.33 | jhutchins_lt | Insayne: Who did they get it from? It doesn't look like a standard Debian kernel. |
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| 17:49.45 | Insayne | its their own stuff - its ovh.com |
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| 17:49.51 | Insayne | they provide dedicated servers |
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| 17:50.00 | jhutchins_lt | Insayne: You'll have to check with them in that case. |
| 17:50.08 | Insayne | yeah, im about to do so |
| 17:50.13 | Insayne | i was just wondering |
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| 17:50.21 | jhutchins_lt | Insayne: For instance while lenny's running a .26 kernel, vulnerabilities in the raw .26 have been patched. |
| 17:50.33 | Insayne | i see |
| 17:51.16 | The_Ace | Insayne, are you sure thats a dedicated server ? it might be a openVZ vps |
| 17:51.48 | Titan8990 | The_Ace, openvz kernels are usually obvious by including "stab" in the version name |
| 17:52.18 | Insayne | it is a dedicated server, yes |
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| 17:52.35 | Insayne | ftp://ftp.ovh.net/made-in-ovh/bzImage |
| 17:52.39 | Insayne | this is where they host them |
| 17:52.53 | The_Ace | Titan8990, not always |
| 17:52.58 | stew | Gabrys: see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=518623 |
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| 17:53.27 | The_Ace | recently I worked on a openvz vps that had debian but the kernel was centos |
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| 17:54.22 | jhutchins_lt | Ah, grsec is a set of security patches; that kernel looks pre-lenny. |
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| 17:54.31 | Titan8990 | The_Ace, yep, thats also typical of openvz. and yes, I think always if it as an official openvz kernel |
| 17:54.43 | jhutchins_lt | Blast, he's gone. |
| 17:55.16 | Gabrys | stew: I also think pylucene needs repackaging, do you think it should be also renamed? |
| 17:55.22 | stew | Gabrys: but yes, to answer your question, the pylucene packaging appears to be broken |
| 17:55.41 | stew | Gabrys: it perhaps could be python-pylucene |
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| 17:55.47 | Gabrys | stew: there's a serious problem with this on Ubuntu, they dropped <python-2.6 completely |
| 17:55.49 | Titan8990 | The_Ace, http://wiki.openvz.org/Download/kernel/rhel5/028stab070.5 looks like there are exceptions for development versions |
| 17:56.06 | Gabrys | stew: ... but still have pylucene in their repo (and it depends on python-2.5) |
| 17:56.16 | nocturnal | i'm missing the old sysctl vm.vdso_enabled. how do i disable vdso in Debian 5? |
| 17:56.49 | stew | Gabrys: the newer versions in ubuntu appear to depend on python2.6 |
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| 17:57.03 | Titan8990 | nocturnal, /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled is there on my lenny. what does uname -r say? |
| 17:57.22 | nocturnal | Titan8990: 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 17:57.27 | nocturnal | i do not have it |
| 17:57.41 | nocturnal | tried grepping sysctl -a too |
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| 17:58.37 | Gabrys | stew: I missed it, indeed they do, maybe Debian should borrow the packages from Ubuntu then? |
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| 17:59.00 | The_Ace | nocturnal, cant you add it to sysctl ? |
| 17:59.06 | Gabrys | stew: the source package I mean :-) |
| 17:59.07 | emilsedgh | how can i install newer linux image's on my desktop? it seems there isnt any newer thatn 2.6.32 in sid repositories |
| 17:59.18 | Titan8990 | emilsedgh, no |
| 17:59.26 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 17:59.27 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.36-rc5-686 (2.6.36~rc5-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-24); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-23); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-23~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-25lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 17:59.37 | nocturnal | The_Ace: i tried adding it to sysctl.conf and running sysctl -p but it gave errors, also tried rebooting. |
| 17:59.49 | jhutchins_lt | emilsedgh: Why do you think you need a newer kernel? |
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| 18:00.01 | Titan8990 | its shinier |
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| 18:00.13 | nocturnal | error: "vm.vdso_enabled" is an unknown key |
| 18:00.17 | emilsedgh | jhutchins_lt: im experiencing x freezes. also, my screen's brightness doesnt work. some searching shows newer kernels might help the issue |
| 18:00.39 | emilsedgh | and im ok with experimental stuff, im using kde from trunk and Qt from experimental. |
| 18:01.02 | Titan8990 | emilsedgh, have you considered checking through the BTS or filing a bug? |
| 18:01.22 | rozie | emilsedgh: you always can compile your own kernel |
| 18:01.29 | emilsedgh | Titan8990: i searched a lot. 'x freeze' is very general term, broughts me very old bugs |
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| 18:01.53 | rozie | emilsedgh: what hardware do you have? |
| 18:01.55 | emilsedgh | ehm, yeah rozie, i just swtiched back to gentoo from debian so that i dont do that anymore :p |
| 18:02.03 | The_Ace | nocturnal, does it actually work ? |
| 18:02.05 | jhutchins_lt | emilsedgh: I'm not aware of problems like that in lenny, but it could be hardware dependent. |
| 18:02.14 | emilsedgh | rozie: its a Thinkpad T510 laptop, nvidia gpu |
| 18:02.16 | rozie | emilsedgh: you just make .deb package |
| 18:02.21 | nocturnal | The_Ace: does what work? |
| 18:02.30 | rozie | it's just a kernel, not whole system ;) |
| 18:02.33 | The_Ace | disabling the vdso |
| 18:02.40 | nocturnal | The_Ace: no, i get that error error: "vm.vdso_enabled" is an unknown key |
| 18:02.45 | nocturnal | from sysctl -p |
| 18:03.07 | emilsedgh | rozie: kde and kernel, + qt from experimental, then i should consider switching back to gentoo :p |
| 18:03.08 | The_Ace | sometimes it the setting works even though sysctl says that |
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| 18:03.24 | jhutchins_lt | emilsedgh: You know, if you have experimental packages mixed into your system, THAT could be the problem. |
| 18:03.51 | Titan8990 | if sid is broken, then its working as expected :) |
| 18:03.56 | emilsedgh | jhutchins_lt: nah, im getting X freeze's with other stuff to. like inkscape, which is installed from sid repo's |
| 18:04.09 | nocturnal | The_Ace: ok well then it didn't solve my problem which is getting these errors when installing scratchbox Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1192: dl_main: Assertion `(void *) ph->p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso' failed! |
| 18:04.20 | jhutchins_lt | emilsedgh: So sid mixed in as well. No surprize you're having problems. |
| 18:04.27 | rozie | emilsedgh: do you use nvidia binary dirver? |
| 18:04.31 | emilsedgh | yes rozie |
| 18:04.38 | emilsedgh | jhutchins_lt: thats part of the fun! |
| 18:04.53 | emilsedgh | actually i expected to have much more issues :p |
| 18:05.04 | rozie | emilsedgh: I suggest trying without it |
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| 18:05.40 | The_Ace | nocturnal, try adding this to the kernel boot parameters : vdso32=0 |
| 18:05.41 | rozie | and according to brightness problem - have the same on one laptop. nvidia card too |
| 18:05.42 | emilsedgh | so you suggest me to try nv driver? |
| 18:06.02 | emilsedgh | rozie: yeah, i heard that issue would be fixed using newer kernels. |
| 18:06.05 | The_Ace | nocturnal, are you on a 64bit kernel ? |
| 18:06.21 | rozie | you'll know if this is driver problem or smth else |
| 18:06.25 | emilsedgh | im doing a dist-upgrade, after that i'll install 2.6.36 and inform you if brightness issue is fixed |
| 18:06.27 | nocturnal | The_Ace: yes |
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| 18:06.41 | The_Ace | then try that boot parameter |
| 18:06.49 | nocturnal | ok thanks |
| 18:07.08 | The_Ace | nocturnal, got that from here : http://talk.maemo.org/archive/index.php/t-22934.html |
| 18:07.15 | rozie | emilsedgh: you can check if you can set brightness via echoing to /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightnes |
| 18:07.20 | rozie | (or similiar) |
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| 18:07.26 | jhutchins_lt | suspects that it will be a long time before emilsedgh's system is "fixed". |
| 18:07.36 | emilsedgh | jhutchins_lt: haha |
| 18:07.39 | Titan8990 | emilsedgh, people who think that is fun, are known as masochists |
| 18:07.53 | emilsedgh | Titan8990: i've heard that before |
| 18:08.00 | emilsedgh | but really, it is. |
| 18:08.05 | rozie | emilsedgh: could you check /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightnes now? |
| 18:08.07 | emilsedgh | or im a masochist |
| 18:08.11 | rozie | before any changes? |
| 18:08.24 | emilsedgh | rozie: its 15 |
| 18:08.37 | rozie | try echo 10 there |
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| 18:08.57 | Gabrys | stew: thank you. I can now upgrade to newer Ubuntu, all that was stopping me before was a need for pylucene for Python 2.6 :-) |
| 18:09.00 | emilsedgh | no change, rozie |
| 18:09.18 | rozie | mhm. so you have different problem |
| 18:09.35 | rozie | nevertheless let me know if kernel change helped |
| 18:09.43 | emilsedgh | ok |
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| 18:14.59 | emilsedgh | hm, dist-upgrade finished, wish me luck! |
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| 18:15.59 | HTT-Bird | o/ guys. :( flashplugin-nonfree has simply stopped functioning altogether on this box. |
| 18:16.13 | swordz | Hi. I've recently moved and moved my (previously working) ubuntu computer with me. I'm now getting various errors when trying to update |
| 18:16.15 | HTT-Bird | all I get when I try to load embedded Flash is a black box :( |
| 18:16.23 | HTT-Bird | swordz, #ubuntu :) |
| 18:16.23 | swordz | W: Failed to fetch http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/dists/stable/Release.gpg Something wicked happened resolving 'dl.google.com:http' (-5 - No address associated with hostname) is one of them |
| 18:16.23 | nocturnal | The_Ace: i'd like to thank you very much for doing googling i should have done once i learned it had to do with vdso. now it seems to work |
| 18:16.31 | swordz | HTT-Bird Asked, nothing |
| 18:16.41 | swordz | And I don't think it's ubuntu specific |
| 18:16.46 | HTT-Bird | hrm... |
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| 18:16.52 | spacepluk | hi, In order to use qemu-buildpackage I need to get 'vmlinuz' and 'initrd' for all architectures, any idea on how/where to get those files without having to start the VMs and extract the files by hand? |
| 18:17.27 | The_Ace | nocturnal, you're welcome |
| 18:17.36 | swordz | If I'm really honest, I also don't think it's debian specific, I think the problem is higher than that |
| 18:17.53 | HTT-Bird | yeah, that hostname looks bogus. |
| 18:17.58 | swordz | But I've no idea what it could be, and I've tried a lot of the things I've found online, to no effect |
| 18:18.01 | HTT-Bird | the :http shouldn't be there |
| 18:18.25 | swordz | I've found something today that says it means using the http protocol |
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| 18:18.37 | Hypnotize | hi all |
| 18:18.41 | swordz | as dl.google.com:http doesn't appear in any of my source files |
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| 18:18.55 | swordz | The http address above does though |
| 18:18.59 | Hypnotize | how can I force apt-get command to run a resolve dns query in IPV4 DISABLING IPV6? |
| 18:19.06 | Hypnotize | debian lenny |
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| 18:19.15 | HTT-Bird | swordz, dl.google.com seems to resolve OK for me |
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| 18:19.55 | swordz | HTT-Bird And it resolved fine for me a week ago in a different house |
| 18:20.01 | HTT-Bird | o.o.o |
| 18:20.07 | swordz | The only thing that's changed is my physical location |
| 18:20.09 | stew | swordz: please go to #ubuntu or ##linux for help with ubuntu |
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| 18:20.26 | swordz | Based on that, I think the actual problem is my internet connection |
| 18:20.27 | HTT-Bird | stew, he suspects the problem affects all Chrome users using .deb distros |
| 18:20.35 | HTT-Bird | either htat, or it's just him |
| 18:20.37 | swordz | HTT-Bird No |
| 18:20.46 | HTT-Bird | swordz, ok. its your ISP then. poke them. :) |
| 18:21.08 | stew | HTT-Bird: its not a debian specific problem. especially since he's not using debian |
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| 18:21.26 | swordz | I have no idea what-specific this problem is |
| 18:21.32 | swordz | So I have no idea who to ask |
| 18:21.43 | stew | swordz: certainly not here |
| 18:21.43 | swordz | I just thought someone here may have come across it before |
| 18:21.47 | emilsedgh | !kernels |
| 18:21.48 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, linux-next: next-20101001, snapshot 2.6: 2.6.36-rc6-git1, mainline 2.6: 2.6.36-rc6, stable 2.6.35: 2.6.35.7 , stable 2.6.34: 2.6.34.7 , stable 2.6.33: 2.6.33.7 , stable 2.6.32: 2.6.32.23 , stable 2.6.31: 2.6.31.14 , stable 2.6.27: 2.6.27.54 , stable 2.4.37: 2.4.37.10 |
| 18:21.56 | swordz | As it's to do with a program everyone here uses |
| 18:22.15 | stew | swordz: anyway, its off-topic here, please ask #ubuntu or ##linux |
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| 18:23.48 | emilsedgh | !kernel |
| 18:23.50 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, linux-next: next-20101001, snapshot 2.6: 2.6.36-rc6-git1, mainline 2.6: 2.6.36-rc6, stable 2.6.35: 2.6.35.7 , stable 2.6.34: 2.6.34.7 , stable 2.6.33: 2.6.33.7 , stable 2.6.32: 2.6.32.23 , stable 2.6.31: 2.6.31.14 , stable 2.6.27: 2.6.27.54 , stable 2.4.37: 2.4.37.10 |
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| 18:24.07 | Titan8990 | !tell emilsedgh about msg the bot |
| 18:24.58 | emilsedgh | ah ok sorry |
| 18:25.54 | HTT-Bird | stew, ##linux would be his best bet |
| 18:26.41 | swordz | I'm actually now going to ask OpenDNS on their forum |
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| 18:27.45 | rafaelsoaresbr | hello, please, can someone tell me in what package is this file: iwlwifi-3945-1.ucode? |
| 18:28.08 | jordanm | ,file iwlwifi-3945 |
| 18:28.11 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 18:28.19 | jordanm | ,file iwlwifi-3945-1.ucode |
| 18:28.22 | judd | iwlwifi-3945-1.ucode in lenny/i386: firmware-iwlwifi: lib/firmware/iwlwifi-3945-1.ucode |
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| 18:28.23 | rozie | firmware-iwlwifi |
| 18:28.34 | jordanm | !tell rafaelsoaresbr about apt-file |
| 18:28.43 | stew | rafaelsoaresbr: firmware-iwlwifi, which is in non-free |
| 18:29.11 | Titan8990 | perhaps judd should specify that when using the file command |
| 18:29.30 | stew | oh, i missed judd's response |
| 18:30.08 | karlpinc | Sounds like a good idea to me. |
| 18:30.09 | rafaelsoaresbr | I haven't enabled non-free repositories. where can I download that package individually? |
| 18:30.12 | Titan8990 | perhaps its something I can implement. will have a look tonight |
| 18:30.49 | karlpinc | rafaelsoaresbr: You can always enable non-free and then disable it. (I suppose it's remotely possible that one non-free package will depend on another.) |
| 18:31.31 | rafaelsoaresbr | okay, very thanks |
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| 18:31.33 | karlpinc | rafaelsoaresbr: See also the vrms package. |
| 18:31.50 | ZitZ | If you don't want to enable the repository you have to go download it from the debian website but what karlpinc said is correct |
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| 18:33.00 | rafaelsoaresbr | sorry |
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| 18:33.21 | Insayne | if i wish to (by commandline) |
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| 18:33.34 | stew | rafaelsoaresbr: http://packages.debian.org/packagename |
| 18:33.34 | Insayne | create a tar.gz archive, recursively through directories, how would I do that? |
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| 18:34.36 | stew | Insayne: tar czf /path/to/foo.tar.gz /stuff/to/add |
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| 18:34.43 | rafaelsoaresbr | thanks stew |
| 18:34.45 | Insayne | thank you! :D |
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| 18:35.01 | stew | yous are welcome |
| 18:35.46 | HTT-Bird | stew, why did Flash simply completely stop working as of today on my Debian testing box? (all I get is a black rectangle where the Flash animation/... should be) |
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| 18:36.17 | stew | HTT-Bird: because flash sucks |
| 18:36.19 | Insayne | hrm |
| 18:36.37 | HTT-Bird | stew, I agree, sadly, my pickin's are slim |
| 18:36.37 | Insayne | stew, it errors, "Cannot stat" for the gz file, then it cant open the input as it is a directory |
| 18:36.40 | ZitZ | Bird what architecture? |
| 18:36.46 | HTT-Bird | ZitZ, amd64 |
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| 18:37.42 | ZitZ | Um it's possible that they are reverting away from ndiswrapper have you tried the new beta from adobe? |
| 18:37.56 | HTT-Bird | you mean nspluginwrapper? |
| 18:38.06 | ZitZ | Lol yes |
| 18:38.39 | HTT-Bird | ZitZ, Adobe pulled the alpha 64-bit Flash plugin |
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| 18:38.58 | stew | HTT-Bird: have you tried gnash? |
| 18:39.05 | ZitZ | yeah but it's back now in the beta for the new release |
| 18:39.17 | The_Ace | doesnt the debian-multimedia repos provide the latest flash ? |
| 18:39.25 | HTT-Bird | stew, I find that none of the FOSS alternatives are satisfactory (yet) |
| 18:39.36 | HTT-Bird | I might try Lightspark when it gets further along, though |
| 18:39.43 | Titan8990 | HTT-Bird, the newest versions advertises full youtube compatibility |
| 18:40.31 | ZitZ | Lookup adobe flash player square |
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| 18:41.23 | rafaelsoaresbr | karlpinc, stew: I've installed all dependencies for firmware-iwlwifi.deb. i'm going to download and install. thanks |
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| 18:41.41 | HTT-Bird | ZitZ, found it already |
| 18:42.06 | ZitZ | Cool it seems very stable and hili even works |
| 18:42.18 | ZitZ | Hulu I mean |
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| 18:51.07 | Insayne | ext3 can handle files up to what size? |
| 18:51.48 | Titan8990 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext3 |
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| 18:52.16 | dondelelcaro | Insayne: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems |
| 18:52.16 | jelly-home | about yay big |
| 18:52.24 | stew | yay! |
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| 18:53.19 | Insayne | ok |
| 18:53.25 | Insayne | seems my tar'ing failed then without error |
| 18:53.26 | Insayne | :( |
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| 18:58.51 | superlinux | hi. I know you won't like this, but I want it for testing purposes. how can I send the ssh password as a command line argument? |
| 18:59.26 | valdyn | superlinux: with sshpass i guess |
| 18:59.47 | Kobaz | sshpass, oh that's awesome |
| 18:59.54 | Kobaz | i've been looking for something like that forever |
| 18:59.56 | superlinux | what is that? |
| 18:59.58 | Titan8990 | superlinux, you should use public key auth whenever possible, instead |
| 19:00.14 | valdyn | superlinux: read the package description |
| 19:00.21 | superlinux | Titan8990, of course.. but I just want what I want. |
| 19:00.57 | superlinux | ok cool |
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| 19:02.08 | jaggz | anyone at a university and can you grab me a journal article on my lady's medical condition? |
| 19:02.08 | superlinux | valdyn, can't I use xargs with the usual ssh client?? |
| 19:02.42 | valdyn | superlinux: where does ssh take the password as command line argument? |
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| 19:03.38 | valdyn | superlinux: the tool to talk to programs is expect, xargs is just to pass command line arguments |
| 19:03.47 | valdyn | superlinux: but theres already sshpass so you dont need expect |
| 19:03.57 | superlinux | I just want to show my students the meaning of brute-force a password for the Certified Ethical Hacker |
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| 19:04.15 | superlinux | ok, i'll check on expect |
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| 19:04.26 | stew | superlinux: why not use the sshpass package? |
| 19:04.39 | valdyn | it has no educational value? |
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| 19:05.19 | valdyn | "use standard tools to bruteforce any password prompt" or somesuch |
| 19:05.20 | superlinux | no! I just imagine a situation where you cannot get sshpass |
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| 19:05.52 | superlinux | usually "ssh" is there |
| 19:05.59 | jelly-home | superlinux: you're no hacker if you can't built a tool or ten |
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| 19:06.01 | jelly-home | build* |
| 19:06.20 | superlinux | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:06.35 | superlinux | i just teach the subject.. that's all |
| 19:06.47 | valdyn | guess he's teaching how to bruteforce passwords, not how to use sshpass ;) |
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| 19:07.19 | superlinux | valdyn, u r correct |
| 19:07.29 | jelly-home | eh, stepping thru interesting parts of sshpass is good enough if the students have a grasp of debugger usage |
| 19:07.34 | Insayne | i am tar'ing a directory using tar -pczf , how can i make it show which file its working on atm? |
| 19:07.50 | stew | Insayne: add -v |
| 19:07.53 | Insayne | ah okay |
| 19:08.20 | valdyn | jelly-home: people who know how to use a debugger dont need to be tought how to bruteforce a password? |
| 19:08.45 | valdyn | this is like very basic |
| 19:08.48 | jelly-home | valdyn: yes they do. |
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| 19:09.03 | Insayne | ty :D |
| 19:09.16 | jelly-home | valdyn: they probably need all of that, and more |
| 19:09.42 | valdyn | jelly-home: you're missing my point |
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| 19:10.15 | jhutchins_lt | doesn't see that the one has anything to do with the other. |
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| 19:11.02 | jelly-home | valdyn: what is your point then? I thought superlinux was looking for a tool to present bruteforcing in a visible manner |
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| 19:11.56 | valdyn | jelly-home: if I have meta knowledge then i dont need to take a lesson in details, for example if I can build compilers i dont need to learn to write expect scripts, except by reading the manpage in few minutes |
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| 19:12.53 | valdyn | jelly-home: so these people who need a demonstration on what bruteforcing is most likely cant code or use a debugger or else they wouldnt need this |
| 19:13.11 | jelly-home | valdyn: Ah. I would not presume that. |
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| 19:13.19 | jhutchins_lt | Nor would I. |
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| 19:13.46 | superlinux | guys! thanks.. but don't waste your time with my case. |
| 19:14.09 | valdyn | superlinux: np, just ignore me ;) |
| 19:14.11 | jhutchins_lt | Perhaps for someone in a mature career (or hobby) position it would be true, but in a scholastic situation people are taught details and must learn to synthesize an overview and a method of acquiring knowledge on their own. |
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| 19:18.25 | jhutchins_lt | superlinux: google has some interesting hits on ssh brute force script - probably worth your while to avoid wheel reinvention. |
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| 19:19.31 | superlinux | jhutchins_lt, I am going to make it simple.. use sshpass and an increment-by-one-while-loop. the password is a number |
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| 19:20.07 | superlinux | it's just a demo |
| 19:20.12 | jhutchins_lt | superlinux: Seriously, the first page includes an expect script for exactly this purpose. |
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| 19:20.59 | metalfan_ | hi |
| 19:21.05 | metalfan_ | why does "netstat -pln --inet|grep 5090" show no PID? only a -. the process is run as the same user as netstat. as root i also do not get the pid? debian lenny |
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| 19:22.17 | superlinux | jhutchins_lt, they donno scripting that much, mate. thanks anyway.. if i go one way or another, then questions will be shot at me like a machine gun. as I said earlier, I am just teaching the subject. |
| 19:22.18 | valdyn | metalfan_: show us the output |
| 19:22.47 | metalfan_ | tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:5090 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN - |
| 19:22.57 | jhutchins_lt | superlinux: I believe you said you were teaching "Certified Ethical Hacking"? |
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| 19:23.10 | valdyn | metalfan_: same when you run it as root? |
| 19:23.12 | Titan8990 | metalfan_, if you are on a VPS, you may not have sufficient privs |
| 19:23.21 | metalfan_ | no vps |
| 19:23.25 | rafaelsoaresbr | hello, how to clean firewall's rules? |
| 19:23.31 | valdyn | metalfan_: what is it then? a real physical server? |
| 19:23.32 | Titan8990 | rafaelsoaresbr, iptables -F |
| 19:23.40 | metalfan_ | valdyn, root shows the same output |
| 19:23.48 | metalfan_ | valdyn, yes. its a root server |
| 19:23.54 | valdyn | metalfan_: so its a vps |
| 19:23.55 | jhutchins_lt | rafaelsoaresbr: Wash gently with a mild detergent then line dry on cat5e or better cable. |
| 19:24.16 | metalfan_ | valdyn, i was under the impression that vps systems are shared by many persons? |
| 19:24.31 | valdyn | metalfan_: how could you tell that your physical hardware is shared? |
| 19:24.43 | metalfan_ | good question |
| 19:25.12 | jhutchins_lt | Depends on the virt system. |
| 19:25.28 | valdyn | metalfan_: its a kernel bug where you kill -9 a process and the network port never got cleaned up, or a vps, i bet its a vps |
| 19:25.31 | metalfan_ | why do i get some pids and not others then? |
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| 19:26.45 | superlinux | jhutchins_lt, I have a masters degree in I.T. , so this means I am eligible to teach any subject. this does not mean I am an expert. |
| 19:26.50 | abrotman | uh what? |
| 19:27.24 | jhutchins_lt | Ah, accademia. |
| 19:27.33 | metalfan_ | valdyn, are you telling me that i and some other guys own a system that is maybe used by other persons as well? |
| 19:27.56 | valdyn | metalfan_: sure, why would that surprise you? |
| 19:28.01 | metalfan_ | yes |
| 19:28.08 | metalfan_ | because im paying for a "real machine" |
| 19:28.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | real machine(TM)... |
| 19:28.32 | valdyn | metalfan_: I see |
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| 19:28.45 | valdyn | metalfan_: show us the brochure? |
| 19:29.03 | metalfan_ | one second |
| 19:29.22 | valdyn | metalfan_: if this is an selinux artifact then i dont know much about that |
| 19:30.23 | metalfan_ | ah, they redesigned their site. |
| 19:30.40 | valdyn | whats the tool to detect your virtual machine? |
| 19:31.01 | valdyn | ah, "imvirt", you can try that |
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| 19:31.32 | karlpinc | valdyn: What does imvert come from? |
| 19:31.47 | jhutchins_lt | People here sometimes come up with some pretty wild scenarios to explain simple problems they don't understand. |
| 19:32.02 | superlinux | valdyn, how can I make ssh accept the default key? |
| 19:32.15 | valdyn | judd: versions imvirt |
| 19:32.16 | judd | Package imvirt on i386 -- lenny-backports: 0.3.1+svn426-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.9.0-2; sid: 0.9.0-3 |
| 19:32.29 | valdyn | superlinux: whats a "default key" supposed to be? |
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| 19:32.44 | superlinux | .. when it asks to accept [yes/no] on the prompt |
| 19:33.07 | valdyn | superlinux: it only asks the first time if I understand your correctly |
| 19:33.17 | superlinux | yes! that one |
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| 19:33.59 | superlinux | can send "yes" or whatever can do the same on command line? |
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| 19:34.32 | valdyn | superlinux: no idea, why is this an issue? |
| 19:34.50 | karlpinc | superlinux: If you don't ever want to see the question you must manually save the key before connecting with ssh. |
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| 19:35.59 | superlinux | well, the 1st time i used sshpass it was vague , and my password was correct but it did not go to the prompt. so i later noticed I have to accept the key |
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| 19:36.23 | superlinux | .. by connecting once and disconnecting |
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| 19:36.50 | valdyn | superlinux: right, ssh does that with unknown hosts |
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| 19:37.25 | superlinux | but .. it looks annoying in shell scripts |
| 19:37.55 | metalfan_ | valdyn, just rembered that its a ovh.de reseller.....but cant remember the name currently. but im sure that they make a disctinction between vps and root server |
| 19:37.56 | karlpinc | superlinux: Don't connect to any hosts to which you've not already connected. |
| 19:38.28 | superlinux | ok |
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| 19:38.43 | valdyn | metalfan_: i have no different explanation |
| 19:38.48 | superlinux | no problem.. it's just once.. I can do that manually |
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| 19:39.13 | valdyn | metalfan_: you could theoretically be the only user of the physical machine and still be in a vm, thats not necessarily bad for you |
| 19:39.16 | metalfan_ | valdyn, let my rsync the server to one of my local machines and see if if happens there |
| 19:39.58 | valdyn | metalfan_: cant you run "imvirt" ? |
| 19:40.11 | jhutchins_lt | valdyn: Let it go man. |
| 19:40.59 | karlpinc | superlinux: See also man ssh, vis /etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts and ~/.ssh/known_hosts |
| 19:41.14 | superlinux | karlpinc, ok |
| 19:41.28 | valdyn | jhutchins_lt: why? |
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| 19:42.34 | jhutchins_lt | valdyn: There is no reason to think virtualization has anything to do with his question. |
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| 19:43.02 | valdyn | jhutchins_lt: but..? |
| 19:43.16 | valdyn | jhutchins_lt: i mean: what is it then? |
| 19:43.46 | jhutchins_lt | valdyn: It's probably not the aardvarks. |
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| 19:44.19 | innociv | ... /etc/init.d/networking restart just made my server unresponsive. |
| 19:45.50 | jhutchins_lt | metalfan_: I think it could be an artifact of the way you're using grep... |
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| 19:46.38 | jhutchins_lt | metalfan_: Try dumping the output to less and using it to search. |
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| 19:49.07 | jhutchins_lt | metalfan_ , valdyn: ready for the answer? |
| 19:49.48 | valdyn | 2.6.32.2-grs |
| 19:49.52 | valdyn | thats it |
| 19:49.57 | jhutchins_lt | Nope. |
| 19:50.06 | valdyn | I bet |
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| 19:50.17 | jhutchins_lt | There two conditions where netstat doesn't show a PID. |
| 19:50.25 | metalfan_ | netstat -pln --inet shows no pids at all |
| 19:50.50 | jhutchins_lt | metalfan_: I presume you're running this as root? |
| 19:50.57 | innociv | How do I clear the iptables back to default? |
| 19:51.03 | metalfan_ | no. since the game server is running as user |
| 19:51.07 | jhutchins_lt | innociv: man iptables |
| 19:51.09 | innociv | like how it'd be after a fresh install |
| 19:51.18 | jhutchins_lt | Well, ok, three conditions. |
| 19:51.20 | SARC | They say that you shouldn't interface with an MTA directly (like exim4)... to use a smtp client. I have written a program that sends alert emails every once in a while, and i was wondering if anyone knew of a client that has a good API, |
| 19:51.46 | innociv | is it iptables -F? |
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| 19:52.28 | jhutchins_lt | 1) will not show PID for processes you do not own. 2) Will not show PID for IPX processes. 3) Will not show a PID for services provided directly by the kernel such as NFS. |
| 19:53.02 | gele | Can I get binary packages of realtime patched kernels somewhere? The ones I compile myself won't even boot. |
| 19:53.04 | nsadmin | innociv: are there any iptables rules now? (iptables -L) |
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| 19:53.18 | innociv | I can't even access ssh now. I have to email support |
| 19:53.27 | innociv | I should of checked better before restarting networking. |
| 19:53.33 | SARC | exim4 seems to be messing up all processors |
| 19:53.38 | metalfan_ | jhutchins_lt, ipx as in the ipx protocol? |
| 19:53.47 | jhutchins_lt | metalfan_: Correct. |
| 19:54.17 | innociv | I edited iptables and did "/etc/init.d/networking restart", and I can't communicate with the server. |
| 19:55.15 | metalfan_ | jhutchins_lt, none of the listed reasons apply. its a game server for trackmania. it uses the TCP protocol and its run as the same user as i run netstat |
| 19:55.16 | valdyn | innociv: get local access |
| 19:55.20 | innociv | How? |
| 19:55.41 | jhutchins_lt | innociv: For future reference, one of these web pages has a script that will allow you to do that, but revert the changes if you don't interact in a set time limt. http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ http://www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~dranch/LINUX/TrinityOS/cHTML/TrinityOS-c.html |
| 19:55.48 | jhutchins_lt | innociv: I think it's probably the second one. |
| 19:55.48 | valdyn | metalfan_: can you see if this is a gresecurity kernel like the one advertised at ovh.de? |
| 19:55.52 | metalfan_ | jhutchins_lt, rsync is still running...but after that i will know if the pid shows on a ubuntu 10.04 |
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| 19:56.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | what is the way one is supposed to use ati/fglrx (for pciid 1002:68d8) in lenny with a backported kernel? Seems the only precompiled fglrx is for 2.6.26... |
| 19:56.16 | jhutchins_lt | metalfan_: Just for fun, try it as root. |
| 19:56.20 | metalfan_ | i did |
| 19:56.22 | metalfan_ | same output |
| 19:56.40 | innociv | Those are so confusing. :( |
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| 19:56.53 | jhutchins_lt | WEll, I suppose there are other possible reasons. |
| 19:57.05 | valdyn | innociv: however you want, by bike, car,plane, foot |
| 19:57.14 | innociv | Oh, valdyn, haha. |
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| 19:57.36 | metalfan_ | valdyn, cat /proc/config.gz |gunzip|grep -i gre does output 4 hits. but they start with NF or with NET |
| 19:57.51 | innociv | What about building an air tube system that will suck me from my house to the datacenter? |
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| 19:58.13 | valdyn | metalfan_: i dont know the names of grsecuritgy options, ovh.de simply show "2.6.32-grs" |
| 19:58.13 | Titan8990 | metalfan_, you were looking for "zcat" |
| 19:58.22 | valdyn | metalfan_: try uname -r |
| 19:58.24 | metalfan_ | next time run a while loop in a screen session that clears your firewall every 5 minutes |
| 19:58.40 | metalfan_ | Titan8990, thx |
| 19:58.41 | jhutchins_lt | Titan8990: No, he's looking for zgrep. |
| 19:58.58 | Titan8990 | jhutchins_lt, ah, right :) |
| 19:59.18 | metalfan_ | ah. never heart of zgrep |
| 20:00.15 | metalfan_ | trackmania players uploaded 1000... maps.... takes forever to rsync |
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| 20:03.21 | jhutchins_lt | metalfan_: There's no linux client for that is ther? |
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| 20:04.54 | metalfan_ | jhutchins_lt, i dont know. im just helping with the server |
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| 20:05.08 | metalfan_ | oh crap. netstat shows the pid on my ubuntu box |
| 20:05.19 | metalfan_ | have to go now, but will investigate this later |
| 20:05.38 | valdyn | guess we still dont know why this is even a problem |
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| 20:06.47 | metalfan_ | valdyn, imvirt says that its a physical one |
| 20:07.03 | valdyn | metalfan_: yea |
| 20:07.13 | metalfan_ | have to dig deepter tomorrow |
| 20:07.15 | metalfan_ | thx for your help |
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| 20:15.30 | d3c | how may I show the number of processor cores on my box? |
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| 20:15.47 | ice799 | Hi. Anyone know what the policy is for taking over as a maintainer for a project? I'm looking around the debian.org site now trying to see what the deal is. |
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| 20:22.14 | karlpinc | ice799: It's probably in the debian maintainers guide. |
| 20:22.33 | karlpinc | dc3: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 20:22.46 | dondelelcaro | ice799: depends on the package |
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| 20:23.08 | dondelelcaro | ice799: generally speaking, you contact the current maintainer, and get them to let you take over. Otherwise, you collaborate with them. |
| 20:23.25 | dondelelcaro | ice799: if they're MIA, then you can hijack the package, generally by announcing that fact on -devel |
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| 20:31.05 | ice799 | dondelelcaro: yeah they are mia big time |
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| 20:31.40 | ice799 | dondelelcaro: i submit a huge page over a year ago adding a bunch of features listed as "TODO" in the man page. others have been submitting smaller patches for various fixes |
| 20:32.04 | jhutchins_lt | ice799: What package? |
| 20:32.05 | ice799 | dondelelcaro: none of those patches have been merged and no releases have been made in a long, long time. |
| 20:32.08 | ice799 | ltrace |
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| 20:32.41 | ice799 | i found 3 different email addresses for the maintainer. i got one response from him about a year ago saying that he was busy but after a few more emails to him over the last year |
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| 20:32.45 | ice799 | pinging him, i havent heard anything back. |
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| 20:35.20 | _stefanos_ | Good evening everyone |
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| 20:42.10 | rafaelsoaresbr | how to add suport to NTFS? |
| 20:42.26 | _stefanos_ | you need read/write access you mean? |
| 20:42.28 | streuner | dpkg, ntfs+rw |
| 20:42.28 | dpkg | i don't know, streuner |
| 20:42.29 | jhutchins_lt | rafaelsoaresbr: Support OF ntfs? |
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| 20:42.38 | streuner | dpkg, listkeys ntfs |
| 20:42.39 | jhutchins_lt | !ntfs |
| 20:42.40 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'ntfs' by key (15 of 38): #debian ntfs ;; #debian ntfsro ;; #debian read-ntfs ;; #debian ro-ntfs ;; _default captiventfs ;; _default ntfs resize ;; _default ntfs-faq ;; captiventfs ;; ntfs bootsector recovery ;; ntfs resize ;; ntfs rw ;; ntfs3g ;; ntfsck ;; ntfsclone ;; ntfsmount. |
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| 20:43.43 | rafaelsoaresbr | _stefanos_, yes |
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| 20:44.08 | streuner | rafaelsoaresbr: /msg dpkg ntfsrw |
| 20:44.08 | jfisch | jhutchins_lt: got it to work, thanks for your help... i needed to log out and back in again. not sure why it didn't work as root. |
| 20:44.13 | _stefanos_ | have you checked if you have installed ntfs-3g? |
| 20:45.10 | tharkun | what is the option of dpkg to list the files within a package ? |
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| 20:45.28 | _stefanos_ | tharkun, you need to search for something specific? |
| 20:45.40 | _stefanos_ | if yes, install apt-file search <filename> |
| 20:45.50 | tharkun | _stefanos_: the files stored inside a package :D |
| 20:45.57 | rafaelsoaresbr | _stefanos_, ntfs-3g package isn't installed |
| 20:46.07 | _stefanos_ | i meant, install apt-file, then run "apt-file search <filename>" |
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| 20:46.36 | _stefanos_ | rafaelsoaresbr, then install it buddy ;) |
| 20:46.56 | _stefanos_ | aptitude install ntfs-3g, or use synaptic if you are under Gnome |
| 20:47.33 | tharkun | _stefanos_: Thx but the option you gave me is absolutely not what i want to do |
| 20:48.11 | _stefanos_ | oh you want to list the contents of a package |
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| 20:49.14 | rafaelsoaresbr | _stefanos_, worked, thanks |
| 20:49.32 | d3c | how may I check how many cores my box has got? I know it has two processors but does that equal two cores necessarily? |
| 20:50.34 | _stefanos_ | tharkun: have you downloaded the file yourself? |
| 20:51.02 | tharkun | _stefanos_: dpkg-query -L <package name> |
| 20:51.39 | _stefanos_ | you could just use dpkg --listfiles <package name> |
| 20:51.40 | tharkun | d3c: cat /proc/cpuinfo will show you what the kernel has found and it is currently using |
| 20:51.53 | tharkun | _stefanos_: thx for your time |
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| 20:51.59 | _stefanos_ | no worries |
| 20:52.50 | d3c | tharkun: thanks |
| 20:52.57 | tharkun | d3c: np |
| 20:54.11 | rafaelsoaresbr | which do you prefer: ntfs-3g or ntfsmount? |
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| 20:55.17 | tharkun | rafaelsoaresbr: the one that works and is simpler to configure i guess |
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| 20:57.14 | tharkun | _stefanos_: Yes i downloaded an experimental package :) |
| 20:57.36 | _stefanos_ | hehe :) |
| 20:57.39 | _stefanos_ | that's nice |
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| 20:58.12 | _stefanos_ | by the way guys, who's responsible for "dmsg" messages here? |
| 20:58.39 | jhutchins_lt | _stefanos_: Why? |
| 20:59.23 | _stefanos_ | because i switched from lenny to squeeze and forgot to update lenny before switch and fu...ed up my system upon switching! |
| 21:00.03 | jhutchins_lt | _stefanos_: You would like the lenny->squeeze factoid updated to remind us of that? |
| 21:00.12 | _stefanos_ | yes please :) |
| 21:00.46 | _stefanos_ | like "Before you switch, please bear in mind that your system should be up to date" |
| 21:01.37 | _stefanos_ | dependencies broke down like mad! more than 266 packages were broken immediately |
| 21:01.39 | tharkun | _stefanos_: switching from lenny to squezze there is a 50 50 chance that it will end up screwed. It seems lately it is slowly improving, but there are still too many loose wire |
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| 21:01.49 | tharkun | s/wire/wires/ |
| 21:02.09 | _stefanos_ | tharkun, if a user do what i just said it would only 4-5 steps |
| 21:02.20 | _stefanos_ | 1) update lenny with the latest updates |
| 21:02.25 | tharkun | _stefanos_: there is also a bug on aptitude safe-upgrade that will surely make things a little more difficult |
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| 21:02.50 | _stefanos_ | you mean the infinite checking of packages? |
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| 21:03.06 | tharkun | That and a few others :D |
| 21:03.22 | _stefanos_ | to be honest, this time it worked flawlessly |
| 21:03.29 | _stefanos_ | my procedure ran smoothly |
| 21:03.34 | tharkun | 32 or 64 bits ? |
| 21:03.37 | _stefanos_ | 32 |
| 21:04.02 | tharkun | Yes, 32 has been upgrading fine 64 is the one that has more isues |
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| 21:05.05 | _stefanos_ | 64 had always issues with every OS as far as I know |
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| 21:10.20 | jhutchins_lt | _stefanos_: Problem is it's near maximum length... |
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| 21:11.56 | soweto | hi guys, please help with good apt sources for debian etch.. |
| 21:12.19 | _stefanos_ | jhutchins_lt, are you referring to aptitude safe-upgrade? |
| 21:13.04 | karlpinc | soweto: archive.debian.org |
| 21:13.22 | karlpinc | soweto: You will want to upgrade to lenny.... |
| 21:13.22 | jhutchins_lt | _stefanos_: No, the factoid. |
| 21:13.41 | _stefanos_ | hm... |
| 21:13.41 | soweto | karlpinc: am upgrade not an option at the moment |
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| 21:13.55 | _stefanos_ | there's an issue with the initial line |
| 21:14.10 | karlpinc | dpkg: archive.debian.org is a repository for old Debian releases. |
| 21:14.10 | dpkg | okay, karlpinc |
| 21:14.23 | abaddon | hi, there was a tutorials site like linuxadmin.org or debianadmin.org, i cant seem to find it, what was the url for it? |
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| 21:14.45 | jhutchins_lt | abaddon: http://tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/index.html |
| 21:15.02 | _stefanos_ | oh you changed it :) |
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| 21:15.12 | soweto | karlpinc: so what do I enter in the sources.list file from archive.debian.org |
| 21:15.14 | _stefanos_ | you need the quoting pair though :P |
| 21:15.40 | _stefanos_ | nope...i was wrong |
| 21:15.48 | _stefanos_ | the warning should get rephrased. |
| 21:15.49 | Coweater | abaddon: probably http://www.debian-administration.org/ |
| 21:16.04 | karlpinc | soweto: I'm guessing that you just replace your chosen mirror with archive.debian.org. |
| 21:16.34 | karlpinc | soweto: You should at least follow the initial upgrade steps in the release notes and upgrade your system to the latest etch so when you upgrade you don't have to do that. |
| 21:16.39 | abaddon | jhutchins_lt: googled it :) but its not those 2 i mentioned, and i dont remember it with a long url like -administration.. maybe it changed names? it was widely known and lots of hits to tutorials in google |
| 21:17.47 | jhutchins_lt | soweto: http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive |
| 21:17.48 | abaddon | it might be debianadmin.com and it just changed looks hm |
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| 21:19.03 | karlpinc | dpkg no archive.debian.org is a repository for old Debian releases. The i386 README is at http://archive.debian.org/debian/README A sample sources.list line is: deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ sarge main contrib |
| 21:19.03 | dpkg | karlpinc: okay |
| 21:19.34 | karlpinc | soweto: You see the factoid? |
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| 21:19.53 | _stefanos_ | jhutchins_lt: my steps are a) update lenny if you haven't done that already. If so, please double-checked it else you will get problems upon switching. b) sed -i 's/lenny/squeeze/g' sources.list and comment security, backports, volatile et al. c) run "aptitude update; aptitude install aptitude linux-image...blabla; reboot;" and d) aptitude safe-upgrade e) aptitude full-upgrade |
| 21:20.06 | _stefanos_ | voila! :) works flawlessly like this...at least to me |
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| 21:20.25 | abaddon | i think it was http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/ , dont know why i remember it with *admin, thanks |
| 21:20.28 | soweto | karlpinc: sorta - testing |
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| 21:22.33 | soweto | karlpinc: can you perhaps give me the syntax to enter in the the sources.list file |
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| 21:22.51 | soweto | I just dont understand how it should be. Its a x86_64 machine |
| 21:23.44 | karlpinc | !tell soweto about archive.debian.org |
| 21:23.45 | jhutchins_lt | For some reason that architecture isn't listed for etch at http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive |
| 21:24.15 | karlpinc | soweto: except instead of /debian/ you'd have /debian_amd64/ |
| 21:24.46 | jhutchins_lt | soweto: Did you read that page? |
| 21:24.57 | karlpinc | soweto: And you don't want sarge, you want etch. |
| 21:25.01 | tharkun | I made a typo when generating a certificate, is it ok to rename it or do i need to use some openssl black magic ? |
| 21:25.27 | karlpinc | tharkun: IIRC the file name means nothing. |
| 21:25.42 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun:Depends on the typo. |
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| 21:26.01 | tharkun | karlpinc: thx i guessed as much but then again i wouldn't want to restart all over again :D |
| 21:26.09 | tharkun | jhutchins_lt: on the name of the file :D |
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| 21:26.38 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: You're fine then. |
| 21:27.01 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: That really is just "where do you want me to put this when it's done". |
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| 21:27.35 | tharkun | jhutchins_lt: as i told karlpinc i guessed as much but just wanted to be sure |
| 21:27.55 | n3kl | Hello. I have created a bad debian package. How do I forcibly remove it if the postrm script is failing? |
| 21:28.25 | karlpinc | soweto: You have what you need? |
| 21:29.45 | soweto | karlpinc: in a sense.. My goal is to look for a mysql-apache mod, and I thought adding the sources.list would rectify its absense from apt-cache search. still no results for it.. |
| 21:29.56 | n3kl | nvm, removing the /var/lib/dpkg/info post rm script has allowed me to remove the package |
| 21:29.59 | n3kl | thanks |
| 21:30.08 | soweto | karlpinc: thanks.. |
| 21:30.11 | tharkun | soweto: apt-cache update :D |
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| 21:30.37 | soweto | tharkun: you mean apt-get update |
| 21:30.44 | soweto | already run - no package |
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| 21:31.31 | tharkun | soweto: forget it, i confused myself with apt-file update |
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| 21:32.42 | soweto | :) |
| 21:32.54 | Tomm0s | eh |
| 21:33.00 | Tomm0s | what package are you looking for? :) |
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| 21:37.18 | Tomm0s | do you mean mod_dbd? |
| 21:39.06 | soweto | I am looking for a module that will allow for mysql support for apache 2.2.14 |
| 21:40.52 | Tomm0s | maybe you need libapache2-mod-auth-mysql |
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| 21:42.06 | soweto | yeah its not in my sources at the moment |
| 21:42.14 | Tomm0s | that is weird |
| 21:42.23 | soweto | so am looking for a source with that package |
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| 21:46.31 | Tomm0s | it shud be there |
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| 21:47.08 | Tomm0s | if you ran apt-get update, maybe your sources.list is bad |
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| 21:48.14 | karlpinc | Tomm0s: He's on etch. |
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| 21:49.14 | soweto | I know, when I do a apt-cache search libapache2-mod I get a whole string of others, not the mysql one |
| 21:49.43 | karlpinc | soweto: You could try apt-file.... |
| 21:50.26 | salvin | can a file system grow to lose data? |
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| 21:53.15 | _stefanos_ | salvin, can you be more specific? |
| 21:54.02 | salvin | _stefanos_: a resize, growing |
| 21:54.11 | _stefanos_ | have you tried gparted? |
| 21:54.29 | jhutchins_lt | It's the "to lose data" part we don't get. |
| 21:54.39 | negge | guys I need some help |
| 21:54.42 | salvin | _stefanos_: |
| 21:54.58 | salvin | I know to do that |
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| 21:55.11 | negge | we're having a LAN party and all traffic to the Internet is going through a certain machine. How do I find out which IP address is hogging all the bandwidth? |
| 21:55.50 | jhutchins_lt | negge: Not a simple question. mrtg might tell you. |
| 21:55.51 | salvin | jhutchins_lt: a resize can to cause data loss |
| 21:56.04 | negge | jhutchins_lt: ? |
| 21:56.13 | jhutchins_lt | salvin: Right. That's why you back it up first. |
| 21:56.14 | Arrowmaster | iftop on the internal network adapter for that machine |
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| 21:57.20 | salvin | jhutchins_lt: but i think only when you make the partition smaller |
| 21:57.24 | salvin | no? |
| 21:57.29 | _stefanos_ | salvin, always whatever software you will use, it's not guarantied that you will not lose data. that's why it tells you to backup |
| 21:58.42 | Tomm0s | soweto: if it's not in etch i guess you can build it from source http://modauthmysql.sourceforge.net/ |
| 21:58.46 | salvin | _stefanos_: ok, but theoretically the resize is safe? |
| 21:58.54 | negge | Arrowmaster: I'm running iftop right now but I'm unsure how to read the output |
| 21:59.05 | _stefanos_ | nothing is safe man, try to digest that :/ |
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| 22:22.09 | soweto | decided to upgrade to lenny |
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| 22:22.40 | Tprice | you wont look back |
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| 22:25.28 | _stefanos_ | Tprice, I'll drink to that mate, cheers! |
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| 22:26.30 | soweto | Thanks - hope it all goes well |
| 22:26.43 | _stefanos_ | soweto before you start |
| 22:27.03 | _stefanos_ | have you updated your lenny system? |
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| 22:27.54 | soweto | still on etch |
| 22:28.10 | tomfmason | how would one limit access to a port based on ip range using iptables? For example, I am wanting to limit the use of my asterisk server to any ip in the xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/yyy range |
| 22:28.12 | soweto | and the isp will be doing most of the work |
| 22:28.19 | soweto | am backing up everything as we speak |
| 22:28.37 | _stefanos_ | the procedure I described previously should work on etch->lenny |
| 22:29.37 | nsadmin | you're not actually going to do the upgrade? |
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| 22:31.38 | soweto | its a hosted machine.. they might have a certain kernel that they want to use |
| 22:32.11 | soweto | besides - i dont mind someone else doing the leg work.. as long as the darn thing works after ;-) |
| 22:32.12 | nsadmin | what's its purpose? |
| 22:32.21 | soweto | webmail server |
| 22:32.52 | _stefanos_ | for me on squeeze, lighttpd works fine with PHP |
| 22:33.55 | dondelelcaro | tomfmason: drop by default on that port, but accept from that range |
| 22:34.02 | dondelelcaro | tomfmason: this is easier if you use ferm or similar |
| 22:34.03 | soweto | am sure it does.. just a bit peeved off that simple applications arent available any more |
| 22:34.04 | negge | Arrowmaster: thanks for the help, it worked wonders |
| 22:34.05 | soweto | on etch |
| 22:34.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | soweto, you get an outline of necessary steps if you /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 22:34.21 | soweto | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks |
| 22:34.36 | soweto | goto guys.. enjoy the rest of your evening/day |
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| 22:39.16 | solidus-river | hey all, i'm trying to set up passenger on my apache2 server and i have installed the package with aptitude however i'm unclear on how to configure it correctly as all the guides i find on-line use the ruby gem manager as opposed to aptitude |
| 22:39.24 | tomfmason | dondelecaro: by default I drop all connections unless I open those ports. So basically all I need now is to allow connections from the range I want |
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| 22:39.46 | tomfmason | I tried -A INPUT -p udp -m udp -s 70.178.138.0/999 --dport 5060 -j ACCEPT but got an invalid mask error |
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| 22:40.01 | tomfmason | oh never mind I see the problem |
| 22:40.21 | llutz | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:40.23 | xxtjaxx | tomfmason: yes it is :) |
| 22:40.34 | eviltoaster | hm one of my partitions saved my acl information but exactly where on the partition does it save it? |
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| 22:41.26 | tomfmason | I am wanting to allow connectinos from any ip starting at 70.178.138.0 |
| 22:41.47 | nsadmin | tomfmason, you should do some background reading... one source is google for "rusty's remarkably unreliable guides" which while old are still useful |
| 22:42.31 | nsadmin | tomfmason, howbout 211.123.43.4? |
| 22:42.33 | tomfmason | nsadmin: okay, thanks |
| 22:42.36 | xxtjaxx | tomfmason: 70.178.138.0/24 :) You can also for a better in depth view read the netfilter documentation :) |
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| 22:42.41 | llutz | tomfmason: 70.178.138.0/24 for a class-c |
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| 22:44.05 | tomfmason | thanks guys |
| 22:44.41 | nsadmin | I think 70. is class b... but I thought classes were dissolved |
| 22:45.24 | nsadmin | a -long- time ago too |
| 22:45.29 | xxtjaxx | 70 is a class A iirc... |
| 22:46.19 | Tramp | jep, up to 127 |
| 22:46.20 | nsadmin | becauswe the first bit is 0 |
| 22:46.54 | Tramp | so nice to have a /8 available for the local host. |
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| 22:47.20 | nsadmin | so 0xxxxxxx is class a, 10xxxxxx is b, 110xxxxx is c and 1110xxxx is d |
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| 22:48.11 | nsadmin | s/is/was/g |
| 22:48.55 | xand | classes are dissolved |
| 22:48.58 | xand | deprecated |
| 22:49.06 | xand | don't talk of them |
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| 22:54.27 | stew | nsadmin: 70. is class a (everything < 128) but yeah, nobody should be talking about classful routing anymore |
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| 22:57.14 | cryptopsy | why do you need a math coprossor when you can just represetn floating point numbers as arrays? |
| 22:57.27 | M`vy | speed? |
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| 22:58.26 | cryptopsy | prove it |
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| 22:59.00 | peterrooney | cryptopsy: arrays of what, exactly? |
| 22:59.06 | cryptopsy | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floating-point_unit |
| 22:59.11 | cryptopsy | integer arrays |
| 22:59.47 | cryptopsy | Some systems (particularly older, microcode-based architectures) can also perform various transcendental functions such as exponential or trigonometric calculations, though in most modern processors these are done with software library routines. |
| 22:59.54 | cryptopsy | why do they use libs in the modern chips? |
| 23:00.32 | M`vy | Don't reaally know, that was rather a guess |
| 23:00.47 | jhutchins_lt | cryptopsy: So the manufacturers are including a processor capability nobody needs? |
| 23:00.57 | themill | cryptopsy: there are 187 people in ##hardware who want to help. |
| 23:01.08 | M`vy | :D |
| 23:01.46 | cryptopsy | jhutchins_lt: the problem is virtual FPUs are outdated or non-functional |
| 23:01.53 | cryptopsy | themill: good idea |
| 23:01.54 | jhutchins_lt | _stefanos_: Can you confirm which packages you had trouble with due to not upgrading lenny prior to going to squeeze? |
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| 23:02.32 | jhutchins_lt | cryptopsy: If that were the case manufacturers would eliminate them to cut their costs and be more competitive. |
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| 23:03.14 | cryptopsy | jhutchins_lt: yes, but you didn't answer the question |
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| 23:03.22 | cryptopsy | you just rationalized it into a different answer |
| 23:03.45 | jhutchins_lt | I think we're off topic for #debian anyway. |
| 23:03.54 | _stefanos_ | jhutchins_lt: anything that has to do with xorg and its dependencies |
| 23:04.24 | jhutchins_lt | _stefanos_: Can you be more specific? |
| 23:04.29 | nsadmin | cryptopsy: if you're able to come to that conclusion then you can use your reasoning skills combined with your ability to gather information from divergent sources and solve the problem |
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| 23:04.57 | cryptopsy | nsadmin: solve your mother into my pants |
| 23:05.20 | _stefanos_ | i cannot recall which exactly, but twice I reached the point where xorg was about to upgrade, it was start removing its dependencies due to broken packages |
| 23:05.28 | themill | jhutchins_lt, _stefanos_: that sort of behaviour with xorg upgrades has been observed a few times with lennyâsqueeze |
| 23:06.37 | M`vy | Not sure about it, but did you run the fix broken apt-get or dpkg commands _stefanos_ ? |
| 23:06.45 | _stefanos_ | the problem is that it starts breaking things around it and you get the impression that everything works OK because this is what is showing to you, but when you try to use an application is saying to do no such file |
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| 23:08.23 | _stefanos_ | well, it did not worked for some reason, whatever i was trying to do, so i had to switch back to lenny, enable the necessary sources, re-run the update procedure and then started fixing things around it |
| 23:08.43 | _stefanos_ | even forcing installation could to make it work |
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| 23:08.57 | M`vy | wooo... you're an adventurer :D |
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| 23:09.24 | _stefanos_ | so, after i switched back and ran the updates, i redo the whole procedure very carefully this time and got it working ;) |
| 23:09.55 | _stefanos_ | the only complain i have from aptitude though is that it does not telling me in detail which packages have been fixed |
| 23:11.19 | _stefanos_ | i knew which were the problematic ones (aptitude can be really sexy when it wants to with all these features), but upon examination and application, it did not inform me which where successfully fixed. |
| 23:11.27 | nsadmin | _stefanos_: perhaps there is a log |
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| 23:11.57 | _stefanos_ | how i figured that out? Well, Xorg was showing it was installed fine but actually it wasn't even installed! |
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| 23:13.38 | themill | _stefanos_: unix applications don't tell you what was done successfully, only what failed. If it removed xorg stuff, it would have told you that it was going to do this, but unfortunately this would have been amongst a pile of other stuff. aptitude often does the wrong thing for lennyâsqueeze and apt-get seems to behave better for this; the current draft of the release notes reflect this behaviour. |
| 23:14.36 | _stefanos_ | themill, well the fortunate thing for me is that i have finally fixed it (more or less) and I am very pleased with it |
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| 23:14.50 | nsadmin | well that's more a style point than anything... since it's programming it could tell you, but it's the style of unix that "no news is good news" and failure to reply is a suggestion of success |
| 23:15.11 | _stefanos_ | what I do like about Debian is that it gives you multiple options to accomplish your mission. this is something you should start using Debian :) |
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| 23:15.33 | nsadmin | debian is not unique in that aspect |
| 23:16.26 | _stefanos_ | I still love Debian despite the fact I was a FreeBSD / Red Hat user for a few years. |
| 23:17.19 | _stefanos_ | I have decided though to officially move to Debian, to use one system to do my stuff. No more windows (at least at home), no more unnecessary things around the room. |
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| 23:18.26 | _stefanos_ | playing around with many OSes and distros, distracts your mind and confuses you even more and you look like a totally moron when someone asks for help :/ |
| 23:18.45 | nsadmin | perhaps |
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| 23:19.07 | nsadmin | but that would be your prediction of someone else's judgement upon you |
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| 23:19.33 | _stefanos_ | i know because they told me so :/ |
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| 23:19.57 | nsadmin | ok, s/your prediction of // |
| 23:20.24 | _stefanos_ | :D I think you are using sed too much |
| 23:20.24 | nsadmin | you can either embrace their judgement or not |
| 23:20.44 | nsadmin | I'm using irced |
| 23:20.58 | _stefanos_ | it has become my personal elixir to boost my knowledge on one specific area |
| 23:21.10 | _stefanos_ | Debian, programming, scripting. Finish! :) |
| 23:21.45 | nsadmin | as long as it's your purpose, and you feel it's the highest and best use of your time... more powah to ya |
| 23:22.46 | _stefanos_ | word |
| 23:24.02 | cryptopsy | huh? |
| 23:24.16 | cryptopsy | word up to yo' motha |
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| 23:24.42 | _stefanos_ | wrong window crypto |
| 23:24.49 | _stefanos_ | and watch your mouth |
| 23:24.59 | _stefanos_ | what's wrong with word? |
| 23:25.12 | nsadmin | he's just a troll, don't feed him |
| 23:25.20 | cryptopsy | yes, i'm a troll |
| 23:25.22 | cryptopsy | i love to eat |
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| 23:25.32 | _stefanos_ | eat my @@ then! |
| 23:25.33 | qq- | !ops cryptopsy |
| 23:25.33 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: qq- complains about: cryptopsy |
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| 23:27.25 | _stefanos_ | nsadmin, do you know by any chance, why empathy does not include MSN protocol? |
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| 23:27.45 | _stefanos_ | on other distros like Ubuntu, Fedora, it is included. |
| 23:28.03 | KB1JWQ | Let us be civil. |
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| 23:28.38 | nsadmin | probably debian legal felt it was not distributable with it |
| 23:28.40 | mentor | _stefanos_: Should do, as it mostly runs through the libpurple telepathy stuff |
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| 23:29.17 | _stefanos_ | mentor, i have installed it and none of the dependencies mentioned anything about libpurple if i remember correctly |
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| 23:29.27 | _stefanos_ | let me check if i have such thing installed |
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| 23:30.43 | _stefanos_ | you see? it's not installed. should not the system inform me if it's not compulsory to install it myself, or even offer it as optional? |
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| 23:36.20 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 23:36.31 | lenswipe | im having problems connecting to ftp.debian.org.uk |
| 23:36.34 | lenswipe | dammit |
| 23:36.40 | lenswipe | ftp.uk.debian.org* |
| 23:36.59 | lenswipe | Err http://ftp.uk.debian.org lenny/main Translation-en_GB |
| 23:37.00 | lenswipe | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:37.00 | lenswipe | 99% [Connecting to ftp.uk.debian.org (83.142.228.128)] |
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| 23:37.44 | mentor | _stefanos_: It's optional, and there will certainly be a Suggests or Recommends |
| 23:38.09 | _stefanos_ | lenswipe: there must be an issue with it, because i opened my browser and tried it with http protocol and switched me to ftp |
| 23:38.33 | lenswipe | _stefanos_, its supposed to do that though, its an FTP server |
| 23:38.47 | lenswipe | _stefanos_, i typed it into downforeveryoneorjustme.com and it came up as being fine |
| 23:39.09 | _stefanos_ | now it works fine http://ftp.uk.debian.org/ |
| 23:39.25 | _stefanos_ | Bytemark hostings |
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| 23:43.01 | lenswipe | _stefanos_, well any ideas? |
| 23:43.07 | lenswipe | asin why cant i access it |
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| 23:43.30 | ShexNivis | Is there a log for aptitude full-upgrade? |
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| 23:44.33 | _stefanos_ | lenswipe, what to say man? Try a proxy server |
| 23:44.52 | lenswipe | yeah im using one |
| 23:45.02 | _stefanos_ | if you open your web browser and add the URL i pasted before, can't you see the site? |
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| 23:46.33 | _stefanos_ | brb |
| 23:46.43 | lenswipe | _stefanos_, no i cant, i just disabled my proxy and its working fine now |
| 23:47.23 | SPF | I have setup my wlan0 in iwconfig and I added iface wlan0 inet dhcp and wireless-essid to /etc/network/interfaces, but still wlan0 doesnt get an ip |
| 23:47.23 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: Downforeveryone uses ipv4, you appear to be trying to use ipv6. |
| 23:47.57 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt, the hell? |
| 23:48.03 | lenswipe | how am i using ipv6? |
| 23:48.10 | lenswipe | and how do you determine that |
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| 23:48.32 | jhutchins_lt | aaaAAAAA [IP: 2001:41c8:0:871::109 80] |
| 23:48.50 | lenswipe | ??? |
| 23:48.53 | jhutchins_lt | Sorry, bit of help from the cat. |
| 23:48.56 | lenswipe | ah |
| 23:49.00 | lenswipe | lol |
| 23:49.08 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt, not sure why its doing that O_O |
| 23:49.13 | lenswipe | i didnt tell it to use ipv6 |
| 23:50.08 | SPF | .versions wicd |
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| 23:51.13 | SPF | another backport, hmmz |
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| 23:51.55 | streuner | dpkg, listkeys wireless |
| 23:51.56 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'wireless' by key (15): _default wireless ;; wireless-testing ;; whats my wireless ;; wireless howto ;; #debian wireless ;; wireless ;; wireless-tools ;; wireless connection managers ;; what's my wireless ;; wireless lan ;; wireless connection manager ;; wireless-more ;; compat-wireless ;; wireless tree ;; wireless help. |
| 23:52.28 | streuner | dpkg, wireless howto |
| 23:52.29 | dpkg | The Linux Wireless LAN HOWTO is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux Additional resources and links to related information/websites also available. See also http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi and http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse . Related: <wireless-tools>, <adhoc>, <hostapd>. |
| 23:52.35 | joshb | jhutchins: we talked yesterday about X on Acer Aspire One D260-Pu, Lenny, it had bad screen resolution; just now upgraded to Squeeze and at least text terminal catches correct resolution it seems :) |
| 23:52.37 | streuner | did you read the wiki at debian.org ? |
| 23:52.59 | SPF | streuner: yes, but lenny doesnt have wicd |
| 23:53.17 | streuner | its in backport, IIRC |
| 23:53.23 | SPF | yes it is |
| 23:53.31 | streuner | and? |
| 23:54.06 | SPF | I dont like to use backports |
| 23:54.26 | streuner | well, use something else then, like pure interfaces |
| 23:54.47 | nsadmin | well, that would leave two choices, either stick with what the distro offers or build stuff yourself |
| 23:55.36 | SPF | The following packages will be upgraded: gcc-4.3-base 1 packages upgraded, 89 newly installed, 0 to remove and 28 not upgraded. |
| 23:55.44 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: I'm not sure what triggers ipv6 in apt. |
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| 23:55.56 | nsadmin | if your dislike of backports were to be taken in steps to its logical conclusion, you would probably want to build up everything from scratch |
| 23:55.58 | streuner | SPF: you didnt read the instructions carefully then |
| 23:56.00 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt, weirdness |
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| 23:56.22 | jhutchins_lt | SPF: Does it associate with the AP? |
| 23:56.46 | SPF | streuner: dpkg tells me to do it this way |
| 23:56.47 | streuner | SPF: theat seems to a whole upgrade for *ALL* packages available in backports... |
| 23:56.52 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: There's a reason they're kept seperate. |
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| 23:57.29 | SPF | !wicd |
| 23:57.29 | dpkg | [wicd] Wireless Interface Connection Daemon, a wired and <wireless connection manager>. A backported package is available for Lenny, ask me about <bdo>. See also <netdev>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wicd http://wicd.sf.net/ #wicd on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 23:57.42 | SPF | !bdo |
| 23:57.42 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo key> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo kernel> <bdo users> <bdo pinning>. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100905 |
| 23:57.51 | qq- | lenswipe, /msg dpkg noipv6 |
| 23:57.59 | SPF | I followed the instructions on http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 23:58.05 | streuner | hm |
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| 23:58.41 | streuner | as i said, you are able to install a seperate package... |
| 23:58.50 | streuner | not all of bpo |
| 23:59.16 | SPF | how apt-get install wicd --nodeps ? |
| 23:59.51 | streuner | argh, should we read the instructions for you? |
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