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| 00:02.56 | Nashenas | Infin1ty: ATI X1400 |
| 00:03.28 | Infin1ty | Nashenas, do you use the latest catalyst? |
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| 00:04.51 | Infin1ty | Nashenas, i'm off to bed though, sorry, but you should check if you use the correct drivers, ATI drivers are nto that good but you should be able to view dvd/hd, even if quality is not as good as nvidia's |
| 00:04.57 | Infin1ty | s/nto/not |
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| 00:07.06 | Nashenas | Infin1ty: I just shut the system off, and I installed from the non-free repositories |
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| 00:07.25 | Nashenas | Infin1ty: or should I get the official one from ati? |
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| 00:25.46 | poisonbit | masification seems to be a good thing (?) http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
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| 00:27.52 | poisonbit | related: last paragraphs on http://blog.orebokech.com/2010/08/update-on-md5sums-and-debian-growth.html |
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| 00:43.16 | kexman | does the mini.iso have wpa_supplicant ? :) |
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| 00:46.49 | sweetpi | kexman: if you mean netinst then no it doesnt |
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| 00:50.35 | MarceloVaz | hello people, is there any limitation in installing Lenny on a host using vmware esx4 SCSI disk? I'm frozen with an installation at this time to create the file system on / |
| 00:51.46 | qwd | Debian Squeeze AMD64. Hi, I'm trying to use mpd with pulseaudio but I'm not getting any sound (it works fine with alsa) and it's not showing up in the preferences for pulseaudio (vlc is showing up). Here's my mpd.conf http://pastebin.com/dk5PNRDd The user "mpd" doesn't actually seem to exist (don't see it in Gnomes user configuration), could this be the problem? |
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| 00:52.17 | deStone | i have a hd that is goign to read-only after the system runs out of memory |
| 00:52.24 | deStone | anyone seent hsi before? |
| 00:52.59 | deStone | and s there a way to change to back to read-write? |
| 00:54.07 | MarceloVaz | any idea? |
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| 01:01.11 | qwd | rafaelsoaresbr: you may |
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| 01:09.31 | k1ng__ | my xbox 360 froze again |
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| 01:09.58 | LoRez | k1ng__: don't /amsg |
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| 01:14.31 | majkl578 | hi, any possibility to investigate crashed kernel (on shutdown)? |
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| 01:16.04 | pflanze | Hello. How do you configure initramfs for an encrypted root? (After the installation, after moving the partition to a luks partition manually.) |
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| 01:19.36 | lenswipe | hey guys |
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| 01:21.04 | decapod | sup yall |
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| 01:28.08 | BlueG | evince is no longer opening pdfs, it gives the error, 'Unhandled MIME type: âapplication/octet-streamâ' and I can't seem to figure out what is wrong. I recently tried building a newer gstreamer in /usr/local and wondered if this might have caused problems. I removed gstreamer from /usr/local and did 'aptitude reinstall ~ngstreamer', which didn't fix it. I also tried 'aptitude reinstall evince' and 'aptitude reinstall gnome-mime-data' t |
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| 01:32.04 | pflanze | BlueG: afaik, reinstall doesn't restore config files; not sure how to best check for this, dpkg --purge maybe. |
| 01:32.31 | pflanze | but I don't know if config files are your problem. |
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| 01:50.01 | LinuxGuy2009 | Is there any official documentation on how to create DVD/CD images of a repository for offline use? |
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| 01:54.09 | tharkun | !tell LinuxGuy2009 about apt-zip |
| 01:54.31 | tharkun | LinuxGuy2009: that should give you somewhere to start reading |
| 01:56.43 | LinuxGuy2009 | thanks |
| 01:57.02 | tharkun | np |
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| 02:06.32 | GTrius | So, what the hell is up with nouveau? |
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| 02:07.54 | GTrius | Oh, hey, there's a channel for that. |
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| 02:58.57 | b0nghitter | cacti is showing 20Mbit/s current bw but the server is using 120Mbit |
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| 03:03.01 | NeoLobster | I'm trying to start a GUI on my debian machine via ssh -X and it keeps loading the GUI on the monitor instead. Is there something I need to fix in my Xorg config to make this work? |
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| 03:06.23 | dondelelcaro | NeoLobster: do you have xauth on the remote and local and X11 forwarding enabled on the remote? |
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| 03:08.10 | NeoLobster | I'm using OSX's X11 support and ssh -X. I do have xauth on the remote machine, and SSh is configured to allow x11 forwarding |
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| 03:11.30 | NeoLobster | I think it has something to do with the DISPLAY variable telling it where to start the screen |
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| 03:16.42 | dondelelcaro | NeoLobster: DISPLAY is set correctly if you're actually doing X11 forwarding. |
| 03:16.54 | dondelelcaro | but if it's not, you can change it yourself |
| 03:17.48 | NeoLobster | DISPLAY is localhost:10.0 |
| 03:18.26 | NeoLobster | Which I have no idea if that's correct or not |
| 03:18.48 | NeoLobster | but when I type startx, it loads my window system on the physical monitor |
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| 03:20.34 | sweetpi | X11 forwarding is to forward programs, not an entire desktop |
| 03:21.09 | b0nghitter | try NX |
| 03:22.02 | dondelelcaro | NeoLobster: just run xeyes or similar |
| 03:22.12 | Mordbrann | what is one one to use to setup alsa if alsaconf is deprecated? |
| 03:22.27 | dondelelcaro | Mordbrann: you shouldn't need to set up alsa |
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| 03:23.33 | NeoLobster | hmm, that works. |
| 03:23.46 | Mordbrann | dondelelcaro, yeah, I thought it would be automatic, but put a new card in and only get two mixer settins in alsamixer. that can't be right |
| 03:24.16 | dondelelcaro | Mordbrann: how many cards do you have in the machine? |
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| 03:25.00 | Mordbrann | dondelelcaro, ust one |
| 03:25.51 | indrora_ | bit of a bug report: running Rhythmbox on anything that isn't Fecking Awesome will cause system load to jump on my box, into the /tens/ instead of the average 1-2 |
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| 03:26.07 | indrora_ | I hit a 50 load and at one point a 60 load. |
| 03:26.14 | dondelelcaro | Mordbrann: if alsamixer only shows two controls, then that's usually what the driver supports |
| 03:26.49 | Mordbrann | so wrong driver... it looks like the right one and is what deb selected |
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| 03:27.18 | dondelelcaro | Mordbrann: no, it's probably the right driver, it may just not support all of the controls. What card is this? |
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| 03:29.42 | Mordbrann | dondelelcaro, one sec |
| 03:30.48 | Mordbrann | dondelelcaro, http://mordbrann.pastebin.com/c9jPekQw |
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| 03:32.27 | NeoLobster | got it working with vnc. |
| 03:33.42 | Mordbrann | dondelelcaro, what I am tryng to do is stream music betwixt my computers with icecast2/darkice, but I don't know how to specify the channel to capture and all I get is fuzz |
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| 03:46.57 | JasonWoof | how do I set the default font in chromium? I think it's using something I have in ~/.fonts which doesn't have all the letters. |
| 03:47.05 | JasonWoof | for text/plain also... |
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| 03:48.04 | xanthaos | I have a general question. I currently use Fedora 13. How different is the layout and functionality of Debian? |
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| 03:48.36 | peterrooney | xanthaos: legion... |
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| 03:49.08 | zombitarian | http://www.google.com |
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| 03:50.16 | chicom9 | hello everyone... i need a little help w a small i am getting an interesting problem with the command passwd... only root is able to change passwords, but not normal users. running strace gives the following error passwd: Authentication token mani"..., 48passwd: Authentication token manipulation error wondering if i could get some tips as to how to troubleshot this issue thank you everyone... |
| 03:50.58 | chicom9 | a regular user get the following error.. passwd: Authentication token lock busy passwd: password unchanged... thanks in advance... |
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| 03:57.43 | dondelelcaro | xanthaos: that's a question that is very difficult for us to answer. /msg dpkg why debian; for what you're probably looking for |
| 03:58.04 | dondelelcaro | chicom9: what authentication system are you using? |
| 03:59.08 | dondelelcaro | (and you can't run passwd under strace usefully, because it's setuid 0) |
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| 03:59.29 | chicom9 | im using just the regular shadow passwords |
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| 04:00.01 | chicom9 | no LDAP or anything else... |
| 04:00.18 | dondelelcaro | chicom9: and what does ls -l /etc/{group,shadow,passwd}*; output? |
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| 04:00.33 | wcs | hi people! |
| 04:01.08 | zombitarian | whats up wcs |
| 04:01.16 | chicom9 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1344 Oct 2 09:24 /etc/group |
| 04:01.16 | chicom9 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 25644 Oct 2 09:09 /etc/passwd |
| 04:01.16 | chicom9 | -rw-r----- 1 root utmp 21905 Oct 2 08:44 /etc/shadow |
| 04:01.23 | dondelelcaro | chicom9: don't paste it here |
| 04:01.35 | chicom9 | sorry about that... |
| 04:01.42 | dondelelcaro | and that can't possible be what the full output is |
| 04:02.33 | chicom9 | ? |
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| 04:02.51 | dondelelcaro | chicom9: there's more output than that, or you didn't run the command I said correctly |
| 04:03.09 | chicom9 | k sorry i miss the * |
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| 04:03.31 | chicom9 | ok where can i paste ... im kinda new to irc... |
| 04:03.42 | dondelelcaro | !tell chicom9 -about paste |
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| 04:05.14 | xulrunner42 | does anyone do xen in squeeze on atom? |
| 04:05.38 | xulrunner42 | like, n270 |
| 04:05.42 | xulrunner42 | not z530 |
| 04:06.21 | dondelelcaro | chicom9: but anyway, your first problem is that /etc/shadow's group is utmp instead of shadow. Is this actually a Debian machine? |
| 04:06.35 | chicom9 | http://paste.pchowtos.co.uk/view/16887467 |
| 04:06.51 | chicom9 | yes its a debian machine |
| 04:07.10 | chicom9 | btw thanks for ur help... |
| 04:07.44 | chicom9 | just tryin to figure out this issue... i've tried all kinds of searches in google lol |
| 04:08.01 | chicom9 | im running debian lenny |
| 04:08.01 | dondelelcaro | chicom9: so anyway sudo chgrp shadow /etc/shadow; and try again |
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| 04:12.23 | chicom9 | ok when i did that ... |
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| 04:12.42 | chicom9 | it wont even authenticate my original password |
| 04:13.01 | chicom9 | authentication failure... |
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| 04:13.35 | chicom9 | but as soon i change back to chgrp utmp it allows me to authenticate.. |
| 04:13.56 | UweBollsFunder | Hi |
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| 04:54.52 | hfctsaot | Show me |
| 04:55.06 | joeykrim | dpkg tell hfctsaot something cool |
| 04:55.21 | joeykrim | dpkg tell hfctsaot about infobot |
| 04:55.36 | joeykrim | anybody setup their own infobot like dpkg? |
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| 04:56.27 | hfctsaot | Joey it sent me info at least :p |
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| 04:57.14 | joeykrim | dpkg roses are red |
| 04:57.14 | dpkg | ...but roses is already something else... |
| 04:57.23 | joeykrim | dpkg hfctsaot is famous |
| 04:57.23 | dpkg | okay, joeykrim |
| 04:57.29 | joeykrim | dpkg tell me about hfctsaot |
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| 05:18.20 | zombitarian | dpkg tell me about dpkg |
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| 05:20.32 | zombitarian | you can do that in the window of <dpkg> as well |
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| 05:45.06 | xanthaos | I have been reading the Debian home page, and still have questions. I am familiar with Fedora, on both the user and administration levels. How much of a learning curve will I encounted to learn Debian, if I am already familiar with Fedora? |
| 05:45.35 | xanthaos | Also, what is the lifespan of a particular distribution of Debian? How long between major upgrades that require re-installs? |
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| 05:48.04 | xuser | xanthaos: did you read faq? |
| 05:50.08 | bzed | xanthaos: you'll have to learn about th epackage manager and basic system tools and configuration stuff which is different in most distributions |
| 05:51.07 | bzed | xanthaos: and in case you're using stable, new release appear when they're ready ;) 2 years or so would be a normal lifespan |
| 05:51.26 | xanthaos | not seeing the faq's may be overlooking it, I am a bit sleep deprived lol |
| 05:51.31 | bzed | xanthaos: but if you're using fedora you might want to stick with testing to have the latest stuff all the time :) |
| 05:51.35 | bzed | http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ |
| 05:52.51 | xanthaos | thank you. This is the kind of information I need. in particular, I am interested in looking into different distros to find the one best suited to a server environment. The server will run on a pc I am not using, headless system, and should serve both fileserve and remote desktop. |
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| 05:53.23 | xanthaos | Two years is a better lifespan than Fedora, which averages 1 year |
| 05:53.36 | bzed | xanthaos: fedora is not really well suited for a server. I'd either use debian or CentOS |
| 05:54.09 | bzed | xanthaos: fedora is the distribution where the latest buggiest stuff is being tested. The stable rpm based distribution is Fedora... |
| 05:54.12 | bzed | err |
| 05:54.12 | xanthaos | That's what I'm finding. I am using the sshd server heavily, and tunnel NoMachine through sshd for my remote desktops |
| 05:54.14 | bzed | not Fedora |
| 05:54.16 | bzed | Centos :) |
| 05:55.12 | bzed | so when you're used to Fedora, sticking with CentOS might be easier for you. Debian is the better distribution of course ;) (I have to say that here ;)) |
| 05:55.45 | xanthaos | Does centos have kde? What package manager does it use? |
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| 05:56.27 | xanthaos | Having a linux background, I should be able to handle a learning curve. How steep is that curve, as I can already work within linux, both as a user and as an admin? |
| 05:56.40 | xanthaos | If Debian is more stable, that is the better option |
| 05:57.27 | bzed | CentOS is the open source version of the Red Hat stuff |
| 05:58.10 | bzed | so its pretty stable, but comes with a lot of old stuff, even older than in debian stable :) |
| 05:58.20 | xuser | xanthaos: why do you need the GUI for the server? |
| 05:58.24 | bzed | and its using rpm/yum as package manager |
| 05:58.56 | xuser | bzed: red hat is also open source, if not centos wouldn't be possible |
| 05:58.59 | bzed | xanthaos: learning debian should not be too hard... |
| 05:59.37 | xanthaos | I choose to have the ability to have gui access. For one, it's a way of easing my wife into Linux. She enjoys playing the games, and is starting to learn other parts. |
| 05:59.45 | bzed | xuser: RHEL ships with various things which are not open source. otherwise they're binary compatible |
| 05:59.56 | xanthaos | If all I offered her was a tty, she'd kill it instantly |
| 06:00.12 | xanthaos | I also use the gui, there are some admin functions easier to manage from the gui |
| 06:00.26 | xanthaos | Users, services, and some network functions. |
| 06:00.39 | xanthaos | However, sshd, httpd, etc, I manage from tty |
| 06:00.43 | bzed | xanthaos: don't use a gui for that in debian :) |
| 06:00.48 | bzed | well |
| 06:01.00 | bzed | there is nice stuff for the networking things |
| 06:01.03 | xanthaos | Oh, and selinux |
| 06:01.22 | xanthaos | at least the booleans and semanage functions, such as allocating ports into the policies. |
| 06:01.27 | bzed | selinux? my condolences ;) |
| 06:01.44 | bzed | still the worst idea ever in my opinion |
| 06:01.51 | xanthaos | It's a pain, and I can't see that it offers any substantial protection, unless a user is heavily confines as guest_u |
| 06:02.11 | xuser | bzed: different point |
| 06:02.13 | xanthaos | I currently have two such users, mainly to protect the server from errors by those users. |
| 06:02.21 | xanthaos | Does debian use selinux? |
| 06:02.55 | bzed | its a pain to configure... too complicated to be a secure way to secure a system |
| 06:03.03 | bzed | also it doesn't protect the kernel from exploits |
| 06:03.09 | bzed | you can use selinux in debina |
| 06:03.14 | bzed | but its disabled by default |
| 06:03.49 | bzed | and there is no real need for it to protext a server from errors of the users. if a serer is properly configured, users are only able to mess with their home directory |
| 06:06.09 | xanthaos | You've both given me some good information to work with. I have Oracle VirtualBox running, I may setup a Debian and Centos release in virtuals, and attach them to the physical network, test some of the networking and server daemons |
| 06:07.43 | xanthaos | That is a very good point, selinux just serves to confine functions further. |
| 06:08.21 | xanthaos | well, confine users |
| 06:10.27 | xanthaos | all in all, which would have the better stability in a server environment, debian or centos? |
| 06:11.07 | bzed | they're both really stable |
| 06:11.27 | bzed | centos is old-fashioned in various things as RHEL is |
| 06:12.12 | bzed | debian comes with more packages |
| 06:12.19 | bzed | if you're setting up a new machine now |
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| 06:12.23 | xanthaos | does centos have kde? |
| 06:12.30 | bzed | you might want to think about installing debian squeeze |
| 06:12.44 | bzed | its not released yet, but frozen |
| 06:12.49 | dos000 | how do you check mime info associated with a file coming froma http server ? |
| 06:13.35 | bzed | xanthaos: so keeping it uptodate should not be hard, although there are still a lot of bugfixes going in at the moment |
| 06:14.39 | bzed | dos000: look at the http headers? |
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| 06:15.13 | xanthaos | so far debian is looking nice. KDE is important to have, and a nice package base is important. centos have the familiarity of redhat that fedora also uses, so that is something to take into consideration. |
| 06:15.34 | dos000 | bzed, yes |
| 06:15.57 | bzed | xanthaos: kde in centos is probably pretty old |
| 06:16.00 | xanthaos | Perhaps a pair of virtual machines would be in order, run them each, see which works best. Thanks everyone, this has been very helpful. |
| 06:16.09 | xanthaos | kde2 or kde3? |
| 06:16.19 | bzed | no idea. I'd guess an old kde3 |
| 06:16.20 | xanthaos | I prefer kde4, much better interface |
| 06:16.37 | bzed | try debian squeeze then :) |
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| 06:17.17 | bzed | xanthaos: and update it once a week or so until it is released |
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| 06:23.17 | xanthaos | I'll drop it into a virtual. I will probably be back for help. Thank you! |
| 06:25.07 | UweBollsFunder | does anyone here use SCP? |
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| 06:26.47 | Mordbrann | UweBollsFunder, yes |
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| 06:27.16 | Kate-o | !weather 48858 |
| 06:27.18 | dpkg | I can't find station code "48858" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml or http://www.nws.noaa.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml for ICAO locations codes). |
| 06:27.27 | UweBollsFunder | Mordbrann: let's say I have a 5GB file, and I *move* it to a different folder on the remote system. Assume both folders are on the same disk. Does it move instantly, as if it was a local copy? |
| 06:27.48 | UweBollsFunder | I don't have anything to test, it's still a preliminary system. |
| 06:28.20 | Mordbrann | UweBollsFunder, yes |
| 06:28.25 | UweBollsFunder | cool. thanks. |
| 06:28.52 | Mordbrann | !94928 |
| 06:28.59 | Mordbrann | !weather 94928 |
| 06:29.01 | dpkg | I can't find station code "94928" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml or http://www.nws.noaa.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml for ICAO locations codes). |
| 06:30.06 | Mordbrann | !weather KSTS |
| 06:30.09 | dpkg | SANTA ROSA SONOMA COUNTY, CA, United States; (KSTS) 38-30N 122-49W 39M; last updated: 2010.10.03 0626 UTC; Dew Point: 53 F (12 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.94 in. Hg (1013 hPa); Relative Humidity: 93%; Sky conditions: overcast; Temperature: 55 F (13 C); Visibility: 10 mile(s); Wind: from the SE (140 degrees) at 6 MPH (5 KT) |
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| 06:31.58 | UweBollsFunder | bye |
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| 06:52.51 | romond | hi, squeeze user here. what package to load for adobe flash 10? using flashplayer-mozilla but can only have flash 9.5 with it. |
| 06:55.07 | sweetpi | flashplugin-nonfree |
| 06:58.34 | romond | sweetpi: i install that but it only downloads a .tar.gz file. |
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| 07:00.09 | sweetpi | romond: sounds right, I thought it extracted it for you though |
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| 07:11.08 | romond | sweetpi: try to use flashplugin-nonfree but the system crashes out of iceweasel whenever i try to watch youtube. |
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| 07:20.17 | neoice | anyone know why `df` might report more disk space used than I can account for with `du -sh` ? |
| 07:20.21 | neoice | I have like a 2x discrepency here. |
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| 07:45.47 | nolive | Servus |
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| 07:47.35 | nolive | Kann mir wer helfen? Ich habe ein Wetab (Tablet PC Mit Meego - Wetab OS), Root zugrif habe ich und bin grad am versuchen ne Live CD zu Starten, dazu muss ich in den extlinux bootloader ein neuen Menu punkt für CD boot erstellen hab ihr ne ahnung was ich in die extlinux.conf eintragen muss? |
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| 07:49.52 | Mordbrann | ja, ist verdunkeln |
| 07:52.26 | nolive | ? |
| 07:54.55 | petern_ | hi |
| 07:55.34 | petern_ | i just added an lvm2 volume (no lvm2 previously) to my existing system |
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| 07:56.39 | petern_ | i added it fstab, but on boot up, the system tries to mount it before lvm2 is started |
| 07:57.21 | petern_ | i'm using squeeze with CONCURRENCY=makefile |
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| 08:02.20 | petern_ | so... what've i done wrong :D |
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| 08:16.38 | JasonWoof | petern_: I don't know, but you might try identifying the device by UUID |
| 08:17.14 | JasonWoof | eg instead of having /dev/sda1 in my first column of fstab, I have UUID=35db3b92-2d3d-4ee5-b55d-d005c5b70313 |
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| 08:18.39 | JasonWoof | or you could wait until someone who knows what they're talking about shows up |
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| 08:20.06 | AimHere | Doesn't the fstab 'pass' field specify when the automount happens? |
| 08:20.39 | AimHere | Hmm, maybe that's not so relevant here, on second thoughts |
| 08:22.54 | petern_ | JasonWoof, yeah, I'm using UUID :) |
| 08:23.42 | petern_ | It's clear that mounting is happening before LVM starts. |
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| 08:26.00 | petern_ | AimHere, the pass field is to do with fsck, according to the manpage. |
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| 08:43.16 | joshb | jhutchins: "2010 Sep 30 22:02:36 <jhutchins> joshb: No, you're better off fixing lenny. Once you know how to fix lenny, you'll be ready to fix squeeze when (not if) it breaks." |
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| 08:44.13 | joshb | ^ I installed Squeeze using /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze (yesterday version); it worked, everything seems to work. Acer Aspire One D260-Pu. |
| 08:44.55 | joshb | So i guess if ppl have same problem (screen dimensions 1024x600 not recognized by X), best just go to Squeeze. |
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| 08:45.38 | joshb | (Just trying to be helpful that's all.) |
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| 08:49.04 | joshb | Had to remove old /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 08:49.27 | joshb | Also had to remove old ~/.Xauth... |
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| 08:54.44 | Elm0_ | morning. can any one help me? i had a freeze on my laptop with lenny last night. and now when its booting, it tells me that a lot of .pid are readonly. |
| 08:55.00 | Elm0_ | and it doesnt start |
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| 09:00.51 | joshb | hmm... now both root & a user have all progs frozen, while this user is still working (Sarge on P2) |
| 09:01.15 | joshb | ^ not that netbook, other comp |
| 09:03.26 | bluegene | can anyone recommend a good password manager? |
| 09:03.40 | petern_ | post-it note |
| 09:04.23 | Bop | txt inside a rar with password |
| 09:04.41 | rgr | silly. use a gpg file. |
| 09:07.22 | AimHere | Just use '12345' for all your passwords |
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| 09:09.52 | Bop | damn , pretty good help around here |
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| 09:11.56 | joshb | (non-repeatable error :), obviously the other comp saw squeeze and got jeaulous) |
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| 09:17.19 | sedulous | bluegene: KeepassX |
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| 09:34.52 | bluegene | :] |
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| 09:53.48 | qwd | bluegene: Keepassx is great. I used Revelation before since it's gtk but Keepassx is better. |
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| 10:03.23 | Ecco | Hi there |
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| 10:03.38 | Ecco | Quick question : why is "debian-multimedia" a separate repository ? |
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| 10:07.03 | petern_ | Ecco, patent issues and the like |
| 10:07.10 | Ecco | Oh, ok |
| 10:07.27 | Ecco | How comes Ubuntu ships some of those packages by default then |
| 10:07.29 | Ecco | ? |
| 10:07.36 | gena2x | Ecco: DFSG? |
| 10:07.46 | petern_ | Ubuntu have different packaging rules |
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| 10:08.20 | Ecco | Ok |
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| 10:08.38 | krotzzz | Hello. I have VPS with debian installed. I am trying to install libxml2-dev package but apt-get says that "libxml2-dev is already the newest version". There is libxml of 2.6.32 version in /usr/lib but as I can see version of libxml 2.7.6 is available. How can I upgrade libxml to that version? |
| 10:09.36 | EgonStork | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/09/15/linux_kernel_regression_bug/ << --- Linux is for bitches and dumb ones at that |
| 10:09.42 | EgonStork | OpenBSD blackhole.hvc.rr.com 4.7 GENERIC#0 i386 |
| 10:09.44 | EgonStork | w00t ! |
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| 10:10.38 | petern_ | Hmm, what determines the numbering of files in /etc/rcS.d? |
| 10:11.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | petern_: the order you want them started/stopped in |
| 10:11.17 | petern_ | Yes, but what sets it up initially? |
| 10:11.44 | petern_ | Regarding my earlier issue, I have S12mountall.sh and S26lvm2 |
| 10:12.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | i imagine its provided by the sysvinit package, but i'm not sure |
| 10:14.20 | petern_ | I wonder if there's a way to reset it all "to the defaults" |
| 10:15.24 | petern_ | (As far as I know, I shouldn't need to change the order of things myself to make things work) |
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| 10:18.15 | Ecco | Also, another question : are there more packages in non-us, or less ? |
| 10:18.26 | petern_ | non-us is obsolete |
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| 10:18.43 | Ecco | oh, I just read that |
| 10:18.44 | Ecco | ok :-) |
| 10:18.47 | lsr | pengwen: Open the files in /etc/init.d/ |
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| 10:18.55 | Ecco | thanks petern_ |
| 10:19.52 | petern_ | lsr, to me? |
| 10:19.53 | lsr | petern_: ^ |
| 10:19.54 | petern_ | hmm |
| 10:19.57 | petern_ | lvm2 has |
| 10:20.02 | petern_ | # X-Start-Before: checkfs mountall |
| 10:20.04 | petern_ | but |
| 10:20.27 | petern_ | so what tool sets this up? :D |
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| 10:21.43 | lsr | petern_: man chkconfig |
| 10:21.48 | petern_ | thanks |
| 10:22.29 | petern_ | hmm |
| 10:23.59 | petern_ | that doesn't do it |
| 10:24.14 | petern_ | i guess i want something that will "fix" the symlinks based on the dependency information |
| 10:24.43 | lsr | petern_: I didn't see your original question. What's the problem? |
| 10:24.56 | petern_ | mountall is called before lvm2 |
| 10:25.00 | ShapeShifter499 | where is the syslog again? |
| 10:25.08 | petern_ | i have S15mountall.sh and S26lvm2 |
| 10:25.26 | petern_ | the dependencies in the init files (as you told me to look at) are correct, and lvm2 should start before mountall |
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| 10:26.25 | lsr | ShapeShifter499: Looking for /var/log/messages? |
| 10:26.37 | petern_ | hrm |
| 10:26.38 | petern_ | $ /usr/share/insserv/check-initd-order |
| 10:26.38 | petern_ | error: Incorrect order lvm@26 > /etc/rcS.d/S08hibernate08 |
| 10:26.38 | petern_ | error: Incorrect order lvm@26 > /etc/rcS.d/S20schroot20 |
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| 10:26.47 | petern_ | :D |
| 10:26.51 | petern_ | whoops |
| 10:27.28 | lsr | petern_: use fpaste.org |
| 10:27.48 | lsr | or fpaste /path/to/file |
| 10:28.04 | lsr | petern_: |
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| 10:28.07 | lsr | woops! |
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| 10:28.14 | lsr | petern_: sorry, wrong channel |
| 10:28.33 | petern_ | brainfart moment :s |
| 10:28.52 | lsr | petern_: I don't use debian. I'd wait around for someone else. |
| 10:29.00 | petern_ | Ahh, okay. |
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| 10:29.49 | robert83a2 | hello, can someone please take a look at this , and explain it to me what is wrong (quagga,ripv2) http://pastebin.com/wdTxK53A |
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| 10:33.35 | Linex | What is it that make the kernel recognize the block device as hdX or sdX ? |
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| 10:35.05 | taiga | hello |
| 10:35.28 | taiga | are there any plans for a Debian GNU/kMacOSX or something like that? |
| 10:35.44 | taiga | i'd like debian on a mac |
| 10:36.26 | cahoot | Linex: libata IIRC |
| 10:36.51 | Linex | cahoot: I see. thanks |
| 10:36.55 | at0m | Linex: or the drivers: sata drivers now also support pata drives, so they became default |
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| 10:37.01 | Tom012 | What do you mean? Debian works on Power Mac. |
| 10:37.09 | at0m | maybe that's what libata does eh |
| 10:37.51 | at0m | err s/drivers/kernel modules |
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| 10:51.17 | pallgone | I'd like Debian on a Windows Phone 7 ;) |
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| 10:53.02 | nsadmin | see if you can get grub to run on it |
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| 11:06.56 | innociv | http://pastebin.com/SFwg7R6Z Can someone check this /etc/network/interfaces config? Does it look correct? Don't want my network going down since I only have ssh login. |
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| 11:18.28 | innociv | rebooted server and can't reach it.. |
| 11:20.13 | mjmt | innociv: Next time schedule a cron job to revert it? |
| 11:20.27 | innociv | Good idea. |
| 11:20.33 | innociv | but bleh |
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| 11:20.43 | innociv | What would be correct though? |
| 11:20.49 | mjmt | Heh yeah that sucks. :\ |
| 11:20.49 | innociv | I don't get what's wrong with that. |
| 11:20.57 | mjmt | No idea sorry. |
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| 11:23.03 | mouseover | I am on a new debian box. Other machines are able to ping it, but they are unable to connect to a server (ie, ip/port) started on this new debian box. Specifically, netcat timesout. Does debian run a firewall or is there some other security measure in place? |
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| 11:26.31 | petemc | mouseover: not by default, no |
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| 11:37.55 | mouseover | petemc: Well, I see that iptables is installed (tho I dont see any rules)... what could be causing this? |
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| 11:39.57 | petemc | mouseover: how are the machines connected? |
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| 11:41.44 | mouseover | well, they are on the "internet", ie, they are pingable |
| 11:41.51 | mouseover | they both have static IPs |
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| 11:43.02 | petemc | mouseover: so they're not just connected to a switch? |
| 11:45.40 | asig | mouseover: the debian host uses public or private IPs? |
| 11:45.58 | mouseover | petemc: I spose so... at some level yes |
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| 11:46.16 | mouseover | asig: By private IPs, you mean if they are behind a NAT? If so, no... there is no NAT. |
| 11:46.30 | Kottizen | Hi, I'd like to build my own distro, based on Ubuntu Server or Debian with KDE. Is there any good tutorial? I don't want to use SUSEstudio. |
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| 11:46.37 | Mixxit | hey |
| 11:46.43 | Mixxit | i noticed webmin isn't on 5.0.6 |
| 11:46.51 | Mixxit | can anyone recommend something? |
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| 11:47.07 | mouseover | I see that iptables is install, I wonder if thats causing the problem... tho its rules states -P INPUT ACCEPT \n -P FORWARD ACCEPT\n -P OUTPUT ACCEPT" |
| 11:47.08 | asig | as private I mean IPs in the pools "10/8, 172.26/17, 192.168/16" |
| 11:47.15 | mouseover | asig: oh no |
| 11:47.24 | mouseover | asig: they are public IPs |
| 11:47.28 | Kottizen | Mixxit: http://www.webmin.com/deb.html |
| 11:48.04 | asig | ok, mouseover. All the IPs of all hosts owns to the same pool? |
| 11:48.21 | Mixxit | Kottizen: i tried that but i get errors |
| 11:48.28 | Mixxit | webmin depends on apt-show-versions; however: |
| 11:48.28 | Mixxit | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:48.38 | asig | and they have the same mask? |
| 11:49.42 | Kottizen | Mixxit: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade |
| 11:49.44 | mouseover | asig: yea |
| 11:50.14 | Mixxit | same error kottizen |
| 11:50.21 | asig | can you recheck the ip mask in the debian and destination host? |
| 11:50.31 | Mixxit | apt-show-versions seesm to depend on a library which is 'not going to be installed' |
| 11:50.36 | Kottizen | Mixxit: Did you use the .deb file or the repo? |
| 11:50.38 | mouseover | both are Mask:255.255.252.0 |
| 11:50.46 | Mixxit | the deb file |
| 11:50.50 | Kottizen | Mixxit: Use the repo. |
| 11:50.57 | Mixxit | ok |
| 11:51.11 | Mixxit | but that says sarge? |
| 11:51.47 | asig | mouseover: how many NICs have your debian? |
| 11:51.58 | asig | has |
| 11:52.53 | mouseover | asig: only 1 |
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| 11:53.08 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 11:53.10 | mouseover | Guys, I have a "/selinux" folder... you think SELinux is the problem? |
| 11:53.16 | lenswipe | can someone tell me how to force ntpd to update? |
| 11:53.22 | asig | try # iptables -L -nv on debian and dest server |
| 11:53.26 | lenswipe | i cant get my debian click to sync |
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| 11:54.41 | mouseover | asig: I did, what am I suppose to see? |
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| 11:56.10 | asig | you can look for iptables rules in both machines (source and destination) |
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| 11:56.44 | mouseover | there are no rules |
| 11:57.11 | asig | what OS is running the destination server? |
| 11:58.12 | mouseover | Debian |
| 11:58.17 | mouseover | The stable one |
| 11:58.40 | mouseover | The other machine is a Unbuntu Lucid ... its perfectly fine,I use it all the time |
| 11:59.32 | asig | can you try a # traceroute -I server ? |
| 11:59.37 | asig | can you try a # traceroute -I IP_server ? |
| 11:59.45 | innociv | http://pastebin.com/SFwg7R6Z what's wrong with this /etc/network/interfaces configuration? Just having the first auto eth0 block worked fine. |
| 11:59.55 | innociv | Oh.. I have :1 twice, maybe that's it? |
| 12:00.42 | asig | innociv: eth0:1 appears 2 times |
| 12:00.50 | innociv | That would mess up the entire thing? |
| 12:01.00 | innociv | I can't even access with the first ip. |
| 12:01.16 | lenswipe | i cant get my debian click to sync |
| 12:01.18 | lenswipe | can someone tell me how to force ntpd to update? |
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| 12:06.31 | innociv | asig, that would cause the whole network binding to mess up, instead of just those two ip's? |
| 12:07.40 | themill | lenswipe: "invoke-rc.d ntp restart" should be sufficient if you're using the default debian config |
| 12:07.53 | asig | rigth: the file config is invalid |
| 12:08.06 | asig | lenswipe: http://pastebin.com/bfbrg051 <-- ntp.conf |
| 12:08.11 | lenswipe | themill, thanks |
| 12:08.53 | lenswipe | themill, nope, its still a minute behind for some reason |
| 12:09.17 | lenswipe | it wont sync any more accurately than 1 minute behind |
| 12:09.55 | jelly-hme | lenswipe: real hardware or a virtual machine? |
| 12:10.21 | Kottizen | lenswipe: is it 57o9.org? |
| 12:10.22 | lenswipe | jelly, real hardware |
| 12:10.26 | lenswipe | Kottizen, no its not |
| 12:10.32 | lenswipe | its my primary domain controller |
| 12:10.37 | themill | asig: I'm not sure how useful the last 24 lines of the config file really are |
| 12:10.53 | themill | lenswipe: what did ntp say it was doing in /var/log/daemon.log after you restarted it? |
| 12:11.00 | asig | sorry lenswipe: my file was broken: the full ntp.conf http://pastebin.com/RXJcPYzN |
| 12:11.07 | lenswipe | themill, nothing, the clock just continued to be wrong |
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| 12:11.14 | lenswipe | asig, thats ok |
| 12:11.19 | themill | lenswipe: it said nothing in the log file? That I don't believe |
| 12:11.45 | lenswipe | themill, ill check the log file...where is it? |
| 12:11.59 | themill | lenswipe: [13:10] <themill> lenswipe: what did ntp say it was doing in /var/log/daemon.log after you restarted it? |
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| 12:13.16 | lenswipe | the_lalelu, this is interesting... |
| 12:13.17 | lenswipe | Oct 3 12:51:35 samba ntpd[4052]: unable to bind to wildcard socket address 0.0.0.0 - another process may be running - EXITING |
| 12:13.22 | lenswipe | the hell does that mean? |
| 12:13.22 | lenswipe | O_O |
| 12:13.48 | themill | you have more than one ntp server running on that machine? |
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| 12:14.14 | lenswipe | themill, not as far as i know... |
| 12:14.15 | lenswipe | why |
| 12:14.17 | lenswipe | only ntpd |
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| 12:16.10 | jelly-hme | lenswipe: please pastebin the output of /etc/init.d/ntp stop; pkill -9 ntpd; sh -x /etc/init.d/ntp start |
| 12:16.31 | themill | I'd also be replacing "not as far as i know" with "(yes|no) I've checked" |
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| 12:17.33 | jelly-hme | ntpd stop script is almost as buggy as clamd's, mostly due to not accounting for the daemons' unwillingness to die |
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| 12:18.08 | themill | *nod* |
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| 12:19.34 | lenswipe | jelly-hme, http://pastebin.com/h2A7U4Fy |
| 12:19.40 | eshat | Hi all |
| 12:20.10 | orca | hi |
| 12:20.20 | eshat | I put a script in cron.hourly, but anacron is not executing anything. I'vealready restarted my notebook |
| 12:20.34 | eshat | but there is no timestamp in /var/spool/anacron/cron.hourly |
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| 12:20.49 | eshat | permissions of the script are set correctly |
| 12:20.51 | jelly-hme | lenswipe: is that all? Does it hang there? |
| 12:21.23 | lenswipe | jelly-hme, no, it returns to the prompt |
| 12:22.32 | jelly-hme | lenswipe: what was the exit status? |
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| 12:22.42 | eshat | I just see that there is no job for hourly in /etc/anacrontab |
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| 12:22.59 | lenswipe | jelly-hme, the exit status? |
| 12:23.03 | lenswipe | how do i find that out |
| 12:24.07 | jelly-hme | lenswipe: the contents of the $? shell variable, echo them, right after running that command |
| 12:24.17 | lenswipe | so echo $? |
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| 12:24.36 | lenswipe | root@samba:~# echo $ |
| 12:24.37 | lenswipe | $ |
| 12:24.57 | jelly-hme | "$" is not what I said |
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| 12:25.25 | jelly-hme | "$?", however, is. And you must not run any other command in between. |
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| 12:25.47 | jelly-hme | this means you'll have to run the pastebin command again, then check "$?" |
| 12:25.56 | lenswipe | root@samba:~# echo $? |
| 12:25.57 | lenswipe | 127 |
| 12:26.19 | TheRealNecator | Hi. Ive got a problem with exim4: the debian-config-files are missing. Reinstalling exim4-config does not help: http://pastebin.de/10468 ("Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden" means "missing"). And the contents of /etc/exim4: http://pastebin.de/10469 |
| 12:27.02 | jelly-hme | lenswipe: which version of the ntp package do you have installed? |
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| 12:27.17 | TheRealNecator | Oh, I'm using debain stable |
| 12:27.24 | lenswipe | jelly-hme, dunno, how do i find out? |
| 12:27.32 | jelly-hme | lenswipe: /msg dpkg version |
| 12:27.51 | dokma | Hey guyz! Is there a way to find out if a particular folder is under the control of a package manager (installed as a part of a package) ?? |
| 12:28.17 | lenswipe | jelly-hme, |
| 12:28.24 | lenswipe | sh: ntpd: command not found |
| 12:28.26 | lenswipe | oops |
| 12:28.40 | lenswipe | ntpd - NTP daemon program - Ver. 4.2.4p4 |
| 12:28.42 | lenswipe | there we go :D |
| 12:29.11 | jelly-hme | lenswipe: that's now what I asked for. I asked for the package version, can you provide that? |
| 12:29.51 | lenswipe | the package version? |
| 12:29.54 | jelly-hme | indeed |
| 12:29.58 | themill | lenswipe: same way you've been asked that many times before. |
| 12:30.03 | jelly-hme | shush |
| 12:30.05 | lenswipe | dpkg told me to run the --version |
| 12:30.05 | dpkg | lenswipe: are you using Windows? |
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| 12:30.14 | jelly-hme | lenswipe: that's not all it told you. |
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| 12:30.41 | lenswipe | jelly-hme, no, it also told me how to find the linux kernel version using uname -r |
| 12:30.51 | jelly-hme | lenswipe: I'm specifically asking about the version of the package "ntp". |
| 12:30.56 | lenswipe | hang ong |
| 12:31.06 | jelly-hme | lenswipe: that's not all it told you, either. |
| 12:31.21 | jelly-hme | lenswipe: there's quite a number of different hints in that factoid. |
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| 12:31.50 | lenswipe | jelly-hme, http://pastebin.com/W5jqvr37 |
| 12:32.00 | orca | i am lucky. ntp can't work on my box |
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| 12:33.06 | jelly-hme | lenswipe: ok, now, just for fun, from that output, can you discern the actual package version? |
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| 12:34.01 | lenswipe | jelly, 1:4.2.4p4+dfsg-8lenny3 aparently |
| 12:34.04 | lenswipe | according to that table |
| 12:34.15 | lenswipe | jelly-hme even... |
| 12:35.16 | jelly-hme | good. Now, next time when someone asks you package version, use that procedure to figure it out. |
| 12:35.39 | lenswipe | ok |
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| 12:36.03 | jelly-hme | so you have the very same ntp and likely /etc/init.d/ntp script I'm looking at |
| 12:36.29 | jelly-hme | and it stops at + echo -n 'Starting NTP server: ntpd', with exit code 127 |
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| 12:37.08 | jelly-hme | lenswipe: is that correct, sh -x /etc/init.d/ntp start stops on that line, and after that echo $? says 127? |
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| 12:37.23 | lenswipe | jelly-hme, yep |
| 12:37.36 | lenswipe | oh wait |
| 12:37.46 | jelly-hme | wait what? |
| 12:37.56 | lenswipe | yeah |
| 12:37.59 | lenswipe | thats right |
| 12:38.02 | lenswipe | just making sure |
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| 12:39.38 | jelly-hme | lenswipe: ls -l /bin/sh |
| 12:40.05 | ElDeablo | bom dia |
| 12:40.51 | lenswipe | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2010-09-14 23:39 /bin/sh -> bash |
| 12:41.56 | xand | !pt |
| 12:41.56 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt ) |
| 12:44.39 | jelly-hme | lenswipe: do you have a /etc/lsb-base-logging.sh file on your system? |
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| 12:45.13 | lenswipe | jelly-hme, yep |
| 12:45.41 | jelly-hme | lenswipe: which package does it belong to? |
| 12:46.02 | lenswipe | i dont know how do i find out |
| 12:46.36 | jelly-hme | lenswipe: /msg dpkg dpkg-s |
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| 12:47.13 | lenswipe | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:47.17 | lenswipe | ewps |
| 12:47.47 | jelly-hme | lenswipe: if it's something like splashy or usplash, purge that package, and verify the file disappeared |
| 12:48.17 | jelly-hme | lenswipe: then try starting ntp again, and pastebin the results again |
| 12:48.31 | jelly-hme | lenswipe: /msg dpkg purge |
| 12:48.49 | lenswipe | root@samba:~# dpkg -s /etc/lsb-base-logging.sh |
| 12:48.49 | lenswipe | Package `/etc/lsb-base-logging.sh' is not installed and no info is available. |
| 12:48.49 | lenswipe | Use dpkg --info (= dpkg-deb --info) to examine archive files, |
| 12:48.49 | lenswipe | and dpkg --contents (= dpkg-deb --contents) to list their contents. |
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| 12:49.57 | jelly-hme | lenswipe: case sensitivity is important in unix. Obey it. |
| 12:50.32 | lenswipe | jelly-hme, i am. |
| 12:50.45 | lenswipe | wait no im not XD |
| 12:51.02 | lenswipe | okay it says its not found |
| 12:51.04 | lenswipe | jelly-hme, dpkg: /etc/lsb-base-logging.sh not found. |
| 12:52.20 | jelly-hme | lenswipe: move the file away then, or rename it to something else, or delete it, then retry stopping/starting ntp service like the last time and report the output |
| 12:52.43 | lenswipe | so delete /etc/lsb-base-logging.sh ? |
| 12:52.51 | jelly-hme | it's your choice |
| 12:52.58 | lenswipe | ill rename it |
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| 12:55.34 | lenswipe | jelly-hme, /etc/lsb-base-logging.sh has just disappeared |
| 12:55.37 | lenswipe | it no longer exists for some reason |
| 12:55.49 | lenswipe | i havent moved it or renamed it or anything |
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| 12:57.56 | jelly-home | lenswipe: last thing I saw was <lenswipe> i havent moved it or renamed it or anything |
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| 12:58.51 | lenswipe | jelly-home, thats the last thing i typed |
| 12:59.03 | jelly-home | lenswipe: what did you want me to say? |
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| 12:59.56 | jelly-home | lenswipe: I don't have an idea why your file disappeared even though you didn't rename or move or delete it or changed any packages. |
| 13:00.00 | lenswipe | jelly-home, idk, im just telling you that the file just vanished so i cant delete it |
| 13:00.32 | jelly-home | lenswipe: ok, then just retry restarting the service |
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| 13:01.02 | lenswipe | okay |
| 13:01.38 | jelly-home | lenswipe: I hoped that file, which binds into the init script output, messed with the script execution, so the goal with it _was_ to remove it |
| 13:01.49 | lenswipe | jelly-home, that seems to have done it |
| 13:02.08 | jelly-home | lenswipe: Are you the only administrator on that machine? |
| 13:02.11 | lenswipe | yes |
| 13:02.39 | jelly-home | let's just say, if it were mine I'd be concerned about files disappearing |
| 13:04.05 | lenswipe | hmm |
| 13:04.11 | lenswipe | well nobody else is logged in except me |
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| 13:04.14 | jelly-home | lenswipe: now inspect your clock, check the latest logs to see if ntpd has started successfully, and check the processes to see if there's a "ntpd" process still running. |
| 13:04.55 | lenswipe | two seconds |
| 13:05.08 | lenswipe | i just had a thought |
| 13:05.19 | lenswipe | yeah |
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| 13:05.24 | lenswipe | debian is now two minutes ouit |
| 13:05.25 | lenswipe | >:{ |
| 13:05.27 | lenswipe | out* |
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| 13:07.40 | jelly-home | too bad you didn't pastebin the output to be checked, eh? |
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| 13:21.04 | petern_ | erm, okay. i just did aptitude reinstall sysv-rc, and it rebuilt /etc/rcS.d |
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| 13:21.12 | petern_ | let's see if it got it right... |
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| 13:31.32 | mouseover | I am getting the following error: "Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libp/libpcap/libpcap0.8_0.9.8-5_armel.deb 302 Temporarily Moved [IP: 149.20.20.135 80]" - what can I do? |
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| 13:38.35 | mouseover | Are the Debian repositories for ARMel down? |
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| 13:40.25 | themill | mouseover: I'd just try again. |
| 13:40.41 | lenswipe | jelly, pastebin what output to be checked? |
| 13:40.57 | mouseover | themill: I did... doesnt work. |
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| 13:41.08 | themill | mouseover: just try a different mirror then -- pick a specific mirror rather than the ftp.us. rotation. /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 13:42.23 | themill | mouseover: given that the file in question does exist on the mirror you're using, I suspect it's more likely to be a local problem at your end though. |
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| 13:42.36 | mouseover | hmm |
| 13:42.50 | mouseover | themill: When I do apt-get update I get the following output: W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/binary-armel/Packages 302 Temporarily Moved [IP: 64.50.236.52 80] |
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| 13:43.05 | mouseover | What does this tell you? |
| 13:43.08 | mouseover | Is it on my end? |
| 13:43.18 | themill | mouseover: try going to that address with a browser on that same machine. The mirror won't be giving a 302. |
| 13:43.41 | mouseover | I am getting a 404 when I goto http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/binary-armel/Packages |
| 13:43.52 | mouseover | are you? |
| 13:44.18 | themill | it's looking for the .gz or .bz2 file not that exact URL |
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| 13:44.34 | mouseover | ah |
| 13:44.55 | mouseover | themill: Nonetheless, how do I change the mirror that apt-get uses... dont I have to change the /etc/apt/sources.list file? |
| 13:45.16 | themill | mouseover: yes you would. But this is sounding more and more like a local problem. |
| 13:45.22 | mouseover | hmmm |
| 13:45.27 | mouseover | lemme try a diff mirror and check |
| 13:45.41 | themill | (that mirror appears to be fine) |
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| 13:46.08 | themill | mouseover: is this on a remote machine or on your local desktop or ... |
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| 13:47.25 | themill | lenswipe: ESP-over-IRC is quite difficult. You've actually got to do the hard work yourself with hints from others. |
| 13:48.12 | lenswipe | themill, yeah i know, i just dont know where to start |
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| 13:48.17 | lenswipe | begin hinting and ill begin working |
| 13:48.18 | mouseover | themill: Well, I am doing all this on a remote machine via SSH... but why does that matter? |
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| 13:48.43 | mouseover | themill: BTW, I changed the mirror, no effect - so ur right, its a local problem. But I've apt-getted stuff before on this machine |
| 13:48.44 | themill | mouseover: do you have a browser installed on that machine (links, lynx, GET, HEAD, something?) |
| 13:48.55 | mouseover | nope - why? |
| 13:49.02 | themill | even wget curl or netcat would be handy |
| 13:49.08 | mouseover | I have netcat |
| 13:49.15 | mouseover | and wget |
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| 13:49.53 | themill | mouseover: ok, try "wget http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libp/libpcap/libpcap0.8_0.9.8-5_armel.deb" and pastebin the entire output. |
| 13:50.27 | themill | lenswipe: jelly-home was looking for some debug output once before |
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| 13:53.44 | mouseover | crap - I think I know whats the problem |
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| 13:54.15 | mouseover | The remote machine is on a fucking wireless that needs to be explicitly logged in, so I need a browser to enter the user and pass |
| 13:54.39 | themill | mouseover: yeah... that's the sort of thing that I was expecting to find at the other end of the 302. |
| 13:54.46 | mouseover | yep! |
| 13:56.12 | mouseover | thanks themill |
| 13:56.27 | themill | no worries. Good luck getting that sorted. |
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| 13:57.40 | eshat | wow, websec is a great program to monitor website changes, combined with cron, this saves a lot of work for me |
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| 13:58.12 | cast93_ | bonjour |
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| 14:01.25 | jelly-home | lenswipe: the output of the service stopping and starting command, which we discussed multiple times today and which you were told to rerun and pastebin the output of (after removing a suspicious file in /etc/ , which disappeared by itself) |
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| 14:03.34 | jelly-home | lenswipe: it's very hard to help a user if they can't remember any context of your problem, so I'm intentionally not repeating any lines verbatim, to make you use the context yourself |
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| 14:04.51 | mouseover | themill: How can I get the ARMel debian binary for Lynx "manually" ? |
| 14:04.55 | jelly-home | er. s/your problem/their problem/ |
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| 14:05.41 | themill | mouseover: if you use apt-get's --print-uris option it will give you the full URL that you can download on some other machine and then copy across |
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| 14:08.51 | reavengrey | So, I want to try debian, but last time, I failed miserably. |
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| 14:09.08 | reavengrey | So this time, I'm going to make sure to properly ask before installing |
| 14:09.09 | jelly-home | reavengrey: how miserably? |
| 14:09.32 | reavengrey | Like, I got the install done, but I had no network drivers, so I couldn't download any network drivers |
| 14:09.39 | reavengrey | And thus couldn't get debs |
| 14:10.02 | mouseover | themill: Unfortunately, remember the Debian machine has no internet access so it says "cant find package lynx". |
| 14:10.04 | reavengrey | I think that that time the reason IIRC was cos Linux kernel API for network devices had been updated |
| 14:10.05 | jelly-home | reavengrey: ah, that one can be worked around with removable media, like usb sticks |
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| 14:10.40 | reavengrey | Yea, but more importantly, how easy is it to get debian up with GNOME + GTK libs? |
| 14:10.41 | mouseover | themill: Instead, I went to http://packages.debian.org/lenny/all/lynx/download , does "all" mean the .deb file I download will work for my ARMel architecutre |
| 14:10.57 | reavengrey | I'm treading strange waters here |
| 14:11.03 | themill | ,info lynx |
| 14:11.05 | judd | Package lynx (web, extra) in lenny/i386: Text-mode WWW Browser (transitional package). Version: 2.8.7dev9-2.1; Size: 13.5k; Installed: 44k; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/lynx |
| 14:11.12 | jelly-home | reavengrey: choosing the "Desktop enviromnent" in the Task Selector in the installer should do the trick |
| 14:11.15 | cahoot | reavengrey: gnome is 'default' DE |
| 14:11.21 | reavengrey | Right |
| 14:11.30 | themill | mouseover: look slike you wan the "lynx-cur" package, but you'll also need a pile of other packages as dependencies |
| 14:11.46 | reavengrey | Okay, and this may be a Question for ##linux, so feel free to tell me so: |
| 14:11.56 | reavengrey | How do I compile a driver if I need to? |
| 14:12.04 | mouseover | ah grrr... I have to do this all manually ... |
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| 14:12.29 | reavengrey | I have a clone of linux 2.6 git and I know what drivers I need at a sourc elevel, but I never cmpiled a kernel myself, and have no idea how to compile drivers |
| 14:13.00 | reavengrey | I have a feeling I may need to compile one or two drivers to get going |
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| 14:13.25 | jelly-home | reavengrey: depends on the driver. You'd get the source, get the kernel headers (or source), and build it. If your goal is installing debian instead of learning to build third-party drivers, then say so and this channel will try to help achieve the real goal |
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| 14:14.24 | reavengrey | Thanks, my goal is pretty much: "Ask the channel how to compile drivers before I try to install debian, so if I need to build drivers after istall I'll be okay." |
| 14:15.14 | jelly-home | reavengrey: are you sure? 'cause I'm reading "I want to install debian and make my network work"... could be my glasses |
| 14:15.31 | themill | reavengrey: the chances that you actually need to do that are pretty low though. Perhaps you could describe the hardware in more detail... a PCI-Id would be ideal :) |
| 14:15.59 | jelly-home | reavengrey: lspci -nn output will make us able to look up driver availability in debian |
| 14:16.01 | reavengrey | jelly-home: Well, that would be more accurate I guess, I want to make sure I'm no stranded w/o network like last time :/ |
| 14:16.14 | reavengrey | Okay, thanks, gimme a minute |
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| 14:17.21 | reavengrey | http://codepad.org/GAbgCZlN |
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| 14:17.28 | reavengrey | Thar she blows |
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| 14:17.51 | themill | ,pciid 10ec:8136 |
| 14:17.53 | judd | [10ec:8136] is 'RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'r8169' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8136 |
| 14:18.09 | themill | reavengrey: that one? that's a pretty common and well-supported chipset. |
| 14:18.38 | reavengrey | The Wi-fi link was the one affected by the kernel API changes last time |
| 14:18.44 | themill | ,pciid 8086:0084 |
| 14:18.46 | judd | [8086:0084] is 'Centrino Wireless-N 1000' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'iwlagn' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:0084 http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn |
| 14:19.10 | themill | reavengrey: yeah, you'll need the kernel from backports to get that working. /msg dpkg bdo |
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| 14:19.17 | reavengrey | Right |
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| 14:20.24 | themill | reavengrey: do you not have wired network there at all? |
| 14:21.06 | reavengrey | Well, the router has one wire port, and it's kind of flecked up, and the Wifi works |
| 14:21.52 | reavengrey | I guess that's sort of a "your problem" situation to be fair :) |
| 14:23.17 | themill | reavengrey: the kmuto installer should be able to get your wireless going straight away to do the rest of the installation then. /msg dpkg kmuto. Also /msg dpkg rube goldberg install |
| 14:23.33 | reavengrey | Thanks |
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| 14:28.38 | lenswipe | jelly-home, so just to make this clear, you want me to restart ntpd and pastebin the terminal output of that? |
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| 14:30.37 | jelly-home | lenswipe: not just that, restart it using that stop ... pkill -9 ... sh -x line |
| 14:30.52 | lenswipe | jelly-home, im going out now to my proper house which is being rebuilt after a fire in March, ill be back later okay? |
| 14:31.05 | lenswipe | but ill take a note of that and pastebin you it for later |
| 14:31.16 | d1b | hi just wondering has one else seen W: GPG error: http://backports.debian.org lenny-backports Release: The following signatures were invalid: NODATA 2 |
| 14:31.21 | d1b | or am i being screwed with? |
| 14:31.28 | jelly-home | lenswipe: alright, have a nice day |
| 14:32.03 | lenswipe | jelly-home, the builders have brought the lounge celing down by falling through it so i doubt ill be doing that, but thanks for the sentiments :) |
| 14:32.58 | jelly-home | ok then, s/nice/fun/ :> |
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| 14:33.56 | d1b | so is some one screwing with me :) |
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| 14:38.04 | themill | d1b: there's a problem with the backports archive atm. Try again after the next mirror pulse |
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| 14:46.17 | Wouterdt | anyone here with mdadm knowledge? I'm growing a RAID5 from 3x2TB to 4x2TB disks and the reshape speed is low, about 8000K/s |
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| 14:52.32 | d1b | themill: did it get files moved or ? |
| 14:52.35 | d1b | something bad appen |
| 14:52.40 | d1b | happened* |
| 14:53.03 | themill | Looks like the signing part of the archive update didn't run properly and the signature file is currently 0 bytes. |
| 14:53.19 | spliffi | simple question...the -F flag for ls appends special characters on files to mark their type ('*'=EXEC, '/'=DIR, '@'=LINK) but what the hack does '=' and '|' stand for? Can't find a hint in the man pages |
| 14:54.19 | themill | spliffi: socket and pipe, respectively. |
| 14:54.30 | spliffi | cheers ;) |
| 14:54.48 | spliffi | pipe would be a fifo file? |
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| 14:55.01 | lenswipe | jelly-home, back, we decided not to go after all |
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| 14:55.15 | lenswipe | personally i think it would have been nice to be told that *BEFORE* i shut my computer down, but thats just me |
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| 14:58.16 | reavengrey | @:-) |
| 14:58.16 | badgers | :-D |
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| 14:59.41 | jelly-home | yeah, it's ugly when you have servers that need 5 minutes to complete their POST |
| 14:59.57 | reavengrey | :O That's really long |
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| 15:08.33 | lenswipe | jelly-home, yeah and when ask to be kept informed next time you get yelled at |
| 15:08.34 | lenswipe | >:{ |
| 15:08.43 | lenswipe | why cant some people have some ****ing concideration >:{} |
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| 15:09.40 | alsir | Hello, is there someone that is willing to spend 3 minutes with me? I have an issue with ati drivers and I can't seem to fix it. |
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| 15:28.37 | ElDeablo | repooffline repositories, debian squeeze? |
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| 15:29.09 | ElDeablo | offline repositories, debian squeeze* |
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| 15:30.42 | shortcircuit | Ok, this is just weird. |
| 15:31.12 | shortcircuit | 'ping' can resolve a route to packages.debian.org. 'wget' can resolve a route to packagess.debian.org. 'telnet' can't, and neither can 'reportbug'. |
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| 15:32.11 | rimo | shortcircuit: It works from here |
| 15:32.11 | shortcircuit | At least, from my desktop box. If I ssh out to my server, telnet can get a route out. |
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| 15:32.57 | Wouterdt | shortcircuit: from here too |
| 15:33.14 | themill | shortcircuit: sticking the exact commands you used and their output in a pastebin would be handy |
| 15:33.18 | shortcircuit | rimo, Wouterdt: I'm not surprised. I can get there from another box, too. What's really, really weird for me is that some programs can get there, others can't. |
| 15:33.43 | Wouterdt | some DNS caching going on? |
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| 15:34.26 | rimo | try to flush the dns |
| 15:34.28 | shortcircuit | God, Pastebin is slow. |
| 15:34.32 | rimo | ifconfig /flushdns or something |
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| 15:34.46 | themill | rimo: wrong operating system |
| 15:34.51 | rimo | Ah. |
| 15:34.51 | shortcircuit | http://pastebin.com/0vjXKxdy |
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| 15:35.47 | rimo | Well, if it's of any help, I use OpenDNS at 208.67.222.222 and 208.67.220.220, they're fairly good. |
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| 15:35.53 | themill | shortcircuit: you're trying different ports there. Why would you be trying to send mail to packages.debian.org? |
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| 15:36.28 | shortcircuit | themill: bugreport attempts that when you use -k |
| 15:36.34 | rookie2010 | help i cannont install debian anyone can help |
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| 15:36.39 | shortcircuit | themill: What do ports have to do with finding a route? |
| 15:37.12 | shortcircuit | Unless my understanding of networking is totally screwed up, IP routes are only dependent on IP addresses, not on ports. |
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| 15:37.46 | themill | shortcircuit: There's nothing about routing in that pastebin, only that the remote host is unreachable. When a firewall doesn't let you out on port 25 and drops packets.... that's what happens. |
| 15:37.48 | shortcircuit | rimo: I just switched away from OpenDNS; it was slower than my local providers. Switched to Google DNS instead. |
| 15:38.16 | rimo | shortcircuit - whatever suit you is great. I just like them for their blacklisting. |
| 15:38.32 | shortcircuit | themill: I thought "Network is unreachable" was equivalent to 'no route to host' |
| 15:38.34 | shortcircuit | Hm. |
| 15:38.39 | shortcircuit | checks iptables |
| 15:38.56 | themill | shortcircuit: reportbug won't be trying to make that connection anyway, unless you've misconfigured it |
| 15:39.09 | magyar | i am trying to copy files from one directory to another with cp --force but I get prompted for overwrite, how can i disable this? |
| 15:39.15 | shortcircuit | themill: bugreport allows me to specify an SMTP server, or to let it use its internal one. |
| 15:39.17 | rimo | What would be the best way to disable IP6 on squeeze? Editing the modprobe aliases like on lenny does not work anymore so I'm currently stuck with appending net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6 = 1 into sysctl, or editing grub |
| 15:39.26 | shortcircuit | themill: Its internal one works for regular bug reports, but not for -k (kudos) |
| 15:39.26 | rimo | Would there be a better way or should I use this? |
| 15:39.49 | rookie2010 | i had a Aperture pointing e820 anyone knows how i can enabled IOMMU |
| 15:40.37 | shortcircuit | themill: At least, I can successfully file without -k, but not *with* -k, and I told it to use its default internal settings. |
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| 15:43.33 | shortcircuit | My local firewall is largely empty. My router's firewall is set to allow SMTP traffic. |
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| 15:44.27 | rookie2010 | i had this error how i can solution |
| 15:44.28 | rookie2010 | Aperture pointing to e820 RAM. Ignoring. |
| 15:44.29 | rookie2010 | Your BIOS doesn't leave a aperture memory hole |
| 15:44.29 | rookie2010 | Please enable the IOMMU option in the BIOS setup |
| 15:44.29 | rookie2010 | This costs you 64 MB of RAM |
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| 15:49.37 | shortcircuit | Weird. |
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| 15:50.47 | shortcircuit | Ok, it's definitely something about port 25. I can telnet to port 80 of my own server, but I get a 'network unreachable' when I connect to port 25. It's not a router or firewall misconfiguration on my network, so it must be my ISP. |
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| 15:51.20 | petemc | common enough |
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| 15:51.58 | shortcircuit | It never occurred to me that one could set up a network-unreachable response based on a filtered port. |
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| 15:52.09 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 15:52.12 | lenswipe | ive just lost my sound |
| 15:52.14 | shortcircuit | Ah well. |
| 15:52.16 | shortcircuit | Thanks for the help. |
| 15:52.21 | lenswipe | i have no sound, i get some kind of error from ASLA |
| 15:52.29 | shortcircuit | lenswipe: Pastebin the error? |
| 15:53.17 | lenswipe | shortcircuit, i cant its in a dialog box |
| 15:53.32 | lenswipe | oh two seconds yeah i can |
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| 15:54.01 | rookie2010 | any one knows how i can fix it this Aperture pointing to e820 RAM. Ignoring. Your BIOS doesn't leave a aperture memory hole Please enable the IOMMU option in the BIOS setup This costs you 64 MB of RAM |
| 15:54.03 | lenswipe | shortcircuit, http://pastebin.com/efEH68Ps |
| 15:54.08 | lenswipe | behold: the error |
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| 15:55.47 | lenswipe | can someone help with this? |
| 15:55.57 | lenswipe | call me unusual but i prefer to watch DVDs with sound in this day and age |
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| 15:56.55 | shortcircuit | lenswipe: What? subtitles aren't good enough? Kids these days, with their darned English dubs. LP |
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| 15:57.07 | shortcircuit | lenswipe: Anyway, drop to a console, and try alsamixer. |
| 15:58.07 | shortcircuit | crap. |
| 15:58.09 | shortcircuit | Gotta go. |
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| 15:58.35 | leejongwook | ;) |
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| 15:58.54 | rookie2010 | i had a problem with IOMMU anyone knows |
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| 15:59.25 | leejongwook | lenswipe: Are you good at Debian GNU/Linux ? |
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| 16:00.26 | Rug | Ack, help... I deleted my rc.local by accident (I was copying a file, but forgot the trailing '/'). How do I recreate it? |
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| 16:01.09 | rookie2010 | any one knows how i can fix it this Aperture pointing to e820 RAM. Ignoring. Your BIOS doesn't leave a aperture memory hole Please enable the IOMMU option in the BIOS setup This costs you 64 MB of RAM |
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| 16:02.05 | f8l | Rug: `aptitude reinstall initscripts` may help. |
| 16:02.10 | rimo | rookie - you need to restart your machine. When your computer is booting up immediately press "delete" or whatever button it is that prompts up your bios config |
| 16:02.11 | Rug | f8l: thanks |
| 16:02.14 | uwjesd | How can I use alsa-oss on a 64 bit system with 32 bit apps? |
| 16:02.18 | rimo | Then search for the aperture memory hole option |
| 16:02.46 | rookie2010 | but it doesnt appear |
| 16:03.00 | rimo | THen you are not pushing the button hard enough. Press harder and faster. |
| 16:03.02 | Rug | f8l: nope |
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| 16:03.07 | rookie2010 | i read the manual and it doesnt appear |
| 16:03.23 | rimo | The manual? For your motherboard? |
| 16:03.28 | rookie2010 | yes |
| 16:03.53 | rimo | Rookie - when your computer is booting up, are you spamming that button immediately? |
| 16:03.59 | mjmt | lenswipe: You probably need to change one or two things in gstreamer-properties. |
| 16:04.00 | rimo | You may only have a second or so to do it. |
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| 16:04.30 | themill | Rug: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 16:04.34 | reavengrey | Ohai leejongwook |
| 16:04.37 | reavengrey | How r u |
| 16:04.39 | Rug | themill: thanks |
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| 16:04.48 | pillowrice | rookie2010: try escape and the function keys instead of delete |
| 16:04.53 | reavengrey | Annyeonghaseyo |
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| 16:05.03 | lenswipe | this is terrible wtf is going on? |
| 16:05.03 | rookie2010 | I had a Asus M4A89GTD Pro with AMD Phenom II X6 and 8 gb ram |
| 16:05.06 | leejongwook | reavengrey: Hi ? // themill: Hi :) |
| 16:05.07 | lenswipe | its like winshit all over again |
| 16:05.07 | themill | Rug: the default file contains nothing of importance anyway |
| 16:05.13 | lenswipe | what were the developers thinking? |
| 16:05.13 | mjmt | lenswipe: You probably need to change one or two things in gstreamer-properties. |
| 16:05.16 | rimo | Guys... I'm getting a GPG error, but I can't pinpoint the problem: GPG error: http://http.us.debian.org squeeze Release: The following signatures were invalid: NODATA 2 |
| 16:05.21 | lenswipe | mjmt, come again? |
| 16:05.24 | rimo | Why would squeeze Release not validate? |
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| 16:05.29 | mjmt | lenswipe: Run that command: gstreamer-properties |
| 16:05.39 | Rug | themill: good to know. |
| 16:05.43 | mjmt | It's usually set to use ALSA by default, which may not play nice if you're running a sound server like Esound or Pulse. |
| 16:05.51 | lenswipe | mjmt, my sound works now |
| 16:05.57 | lenswipe | mjmt, but it didnt earlier |
| 16:05.59 | lenswipe | congratz debian |
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| 16:06.01 | mjmt | Awesome. |
| 16:06.02 | lenswipe | >:{ |
| 16:06.10 | lenswipe | mjmt, yeah till it breaks again |
| 16:06.10 | b0nghitter | anyone here use debain+cacti on a Gbit/s line? |
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| 16:06.30 | mjmt | lenswipe: Are you running a sound server? It may be idle right now. |
| 16:06.35 | lenswipe | mjmt, no |
| 16:06.53 | lenswipe | my sound goes AWOL for no reason, i cant sync to a time server, compiz locks up randomly for no reason seriously wtf were the devs thinking? |
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| 16:07.08 | pillowrice | lenswipe: that you'd install ubuntu? |
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| 16:08.10 | themill | rimo: known problem with the last mirror update. Should be solved quite soon. |
| 16:08.12 | lenswipe | mjmt, well thats another xserver crash |
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| 16:08.19 | lenswipe | a round of applause for debian people |
| 16:08.24 | lenswipe | seriously what the hell are the devs smoking? |
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| 16:08.38 | rimo | themill: Will it affect downloading packages? I'm noob? |
| 16:09.17 | rimo | I mean, other then spamming the 'Y' button on "install without validation" |
| 16:09.20 | wireddd | dolphin for some reason won't allow me to mount partitions on internal drives that are not in fstab, says "Refusing to mount device /dev/sdb4 for uid=1000" |
| 16:09.31 | wireddd | but I am not sure where I need to change the permissions... |
| 16:09.40 | themill | rimo: it currently prevents apt verifying that the packages are made by debian developers and not by some attacker. |
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| 16:10.10 | leejongwook | lenswipe: Do you use GNOME ? KDE ? |
| 16:10.26 | rimo | So I should be fine unless there is some funny man-in-the-middle action going on, right? Thanx |
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| 16:11.08 | reavengrey | leejongwook: Hai!! |
| 16:11.11 | *** topic/#debian by themill -> squeeze,sid,lenny-backports GPG sigs broken | lenny (5.0.6) /msg dpkg 5.0.6 | etch no longer on mirrors: /msg dpkg etch->lenny | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg pastebin | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | FAQ: http://bit.ly/DebFAQ | channel logs: http://bit.ly/DebFNDLog | Squeeze has been frozen: http://bit.ly/DebSqueezeFreeze |
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| 16:11.29 | rimo | Woot for the topic. |
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| 16:12.00 | reavengrey | leejongwook: saranghaeyo |
| 16:12.16 | leejongwook | reavengrey: o_O |
| 16:12.32 | mjmt | lenswipe: I once had sound that'd work fine for months, then suddenly be permanently out of comission until I cold booted. Replaced the motherboard with exact same model, all was right with the world again. |
| 16:12.34 | ys0srs | The topic explains "NODATA 2", phew! |
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| 16:12.50 | reavengrey | leejongwook: sowoneul marhaebwa!!! XD |
| 16:12.52 | rimo | shakes hands with ys0srs |
| 16:13.10 | rimo | Well, I guess I found out what I needed, thanx guys. Lata! |
| 16:13.32 | ys0srs | bai2u |
| 16:13.34 | leejongwook | lenswipe: http://pastebin.com/ThUSwLhB <-- I fixed my problem with this way. |
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| 16:14.09 | eshat | anyone else getting invalid gpgp signatures when doing an aptitude update |
| 16:14.14 | themill | eshat: /topic |
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| 16:14.54 | eshat | themill: oh, I should always check that first |
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| 16:16.20 | Flyoc | hi, any ETA on the GPG sigs issue ? |
| 16:16.31 | themill | Flyoc: mirror pulse is going out now to fix it |
| 16:16.43 | themill | dpkg, NODATA 2 is <reply> Is apt complaining "W: GPG error: http://... Release: The following signatures were invalid: NODATA 2"? Due to a problem with the archive signing scripts on 2010-10-03, the Release.gpg file was not created correctly. This will be fixed in the next mirror pulse. Ask me about <secure apt>. |
| 16:16.44 | dpkg | themill: okay |
| 16:16.44 | Flyoc | alright cool |
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| 16:19.03 | reavengrey | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0md6Flcrd0s |
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| 16:26.42 | leejongwook | WormFood: Hi long time no see, neuro_sys wanted to say hello to you. |
| 16:26.53 | leejongwook | Bye all. |
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| 16:31.45 | Rug | themill: I get an error running that command: "Couldn't find package rc.local" |
| 16:32.19 | eshat | GPG is fixed again... |
| 16:32.21 | themill | Rug: sounds like you're not giving quite the right command. the package should be initscripts as f8l suggested. |
| 16:32.34 | Rug | themill: ack, sorry missed that. |
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| 16:33.59 | *** topic/#debian by themill -> squeeze,sid,lenny-backports GPG sigs broken: /msg dpkg NODATA 2 | lenny (5.0.6) /msg dpkg 5.0.6 | etch no longer on mirrors: /msg dpkg etch->lenny | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg pastebin | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | FAQ: http://bit.ly/DebFAQ | channel logs: http://bit.ly/DebFNDLog | Squeeze has been frozen: http://bit.ly/DebSqueezeFreeze |
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| 16:34.19 | thepro4ever | is it possible to stream audio off of youtube? |
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| 16:36.13 | spydon | I just tried to boot debian-506-i386-CD-1.iso with a USB stick and it goes to some kind of grub menu and says password required when I try to press anything |
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| 16:37.17 | spydon | What is the password? |
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| 16:37.41 | thepro4ever | rip audio off of youtube i mean |
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| 16:38.20 | reavengrey | spydon: Have you put a password on grub? |
| 16:38.27 | reavengrey | /join #grub |
| 16:38.32 | spydon | nope, it's not my grub :S |
| 16:38.34 | jpinx-eeepc | thepro4ever: dunno about streaming, but you can rip the audio out of the downloaded .flv's |
| 16:38.44 | spydon | Its the boot loader that is on the stick |
| 16:38.45 | f8l | thepro4ever: Read about clive, or cclive. |
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| 16:39.24 | wireddd | ok, so policykit integration is broken in kde in debian |
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| 16:47.24 | eshat | smacnay: use VLC (even though it is QT) ;) |
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| 16:50.59 | quhan | hi, is there someone know whats happen of the knetworkmanager? I cant click the wireless icon |
| 16:51.04 | quhan | I use sid |
| 16:51.18 | Linex | Everytime my OS boot after grub, it will boot and then go back to grub again. I can't get to prompt point. |
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| 16:52.37 | cahoot | no errormsg? |
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| 16:53.31 | Kre10s | hey. how can I install the libircclient library? apt-get install libircclient says it can't find it. |
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| 16:55.30 | thepro4ever | if i want to rename all files in a directory by stripping off the common denomitnator which is appended to the front of the file name how can I do this? so far I'm thinking find ./ -type f -name startOfFileName* -exec mv {} ....I DRAW A BLANK HERE, DUHHH DIRRR DUHH |
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| 16:56.06 | cahoot | just use rename |
| 16:56.07 | jelly-home | thepro4ever: man prename |
| 16:56.27 | Linex | cahoot: no error message |
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| 16:57.47 | Mattz0r | Hey there, for some reason, my network cards have become "unknown" is there any way to rectify this issue? |
| 16:57.52 | jelly-home | thepro4ever: 's/^prefix-to-remove//' |
| 16:58.02 | Mattz0r | even if i try to enable the connections with network-manager, they dont. |
| 16:58.16 | Mattz0r | if i try "ifup eth0" it says, eth0 is an unknown device |
| 16:59.08 | uwjesd | How can I use alsa-oss on a 64 bit system with 32 bit apps? |
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| 17:02.05 | kW_ | Hello! I ran into the "Dynamic MMap ran out of room. Please increase the size of APT::Cache-Limit. Current value: 25165824" problem of apt-get. Unfortunately, following the advice in http://www.ithowto.ro/2008/10/howto-increase-apt-gets-cache-limit/ does not help. |
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| 17:02.49 | kW_ | Does anybody know how to effectively change the APT::Cache-Limit? |
| 17:02.52 | jelly-home | kW_: even if you increase it more? |
| 17:02.57 | kW_ | jelly-home: yes |
| 17:03.07 | kW_ | for example, 100000000 (for 100MB) does not help |
| 17:03.08 | jelly-home | kW_: what was the highest amount you tries? |
| 17:03.10 | rudi_s | Hi. I just got the message from debsecan that CVE-2010-0405 is fixed for - clamav, clamav-freshclam, clamav-base, clamav-daemon (remotely exploitable, medium urgency) and - libclamav6 (remotely exploitable, medium urgency, obsolete), however I don't get any security update from aptitude (this is on Lenny, security is in sources.list, as is volatile). Any ideas? Thanks. |
| 17:03.10 | kW_ | the original limit is reported |
| 17:03.48 | jelly-home | ,versions clamav-daemon |
| 17:03.49 | judd | Package clamav-daemon on i386 -- etch: 0.90.1dfsg-4etch19; etch-security: 0.90.1dfsg-4etch19; lenny: 0.94.dfsg.2-1lenny2; lenny-security: 0.94.dfsg.2-1lenny2; etch-backports: 0.95.2+dfsg-2~bpo40+1; etch-volatile: 0.95.3+dfsg-1~volatile1~etch2; squeeze: 0.96.1+dfsg-1; lenny-volatile: 0.96.3+dfsg-1~volatile1; sid: 0.96.3+dfsg-2 |
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| 17:03.56 | kW_ | jelly-home: so it looks like the configuration files are actually not loaded, but I checked this using strace, they are at least opened and read |
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| 17:05.50 | superlinux | hi |
| 17:05.56 | jelly-home | kW_: you tried leaving only that option in your apt.conf to evade possible syntax/parser issues? |
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| 17:06.29 | jelly-home | rudi_s: which version do you have installed? which architecture? |
| 17:06.36 | superlinux | do recommend an upgrade to linux 2.6.35? |
| 17:06.52 | kW_ | jelly-home: I just have found the issue...: it copy&pasted APT::Cache-Limit â10000000â³; but actually APT::Cache-Limit "10000000"; should have been written |
| 17:07.10 | kW_ | so the issue is that apt-get does not tell about configuration file parser errors |
| 17:07.14 | jelly-home | kW_: you typed "10 million" both times |
| 17:07.28 | jelly-home | kW_: even not minding the weird quotes |
| 17:07.50 | kW_ | well, I did not type "10 million" |
| 17:08.02 | kW_ | ah; i see what you mean |
| 17:08.09 | kW_ | well, I actually added a '0' |
| 17:08.11 | jelly-home | kW_: the number was less than 25165824 anyway |
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| 17:08.41 | sdschulze | superlinux: why? |
| 17:08.48 | jelly-home | kW_: a lot of blogging software prettifies the quotes, making a mess for pastable code |
| 17:09.27 | superlinux | just wanna know if's ok to upgrade just to be up-to-date |
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| 17:09.52 | sdschulze | superlinux: It currently isn't packaged, is it? |
| 17:09.54 | jelly-home | superlinux: do you require any functionality from that version? |
| 17:10.03 | superlinux | i am on lenny-backports kernel 2.6.32 |
| 17:10.08 | kW_ | jelly-home: what's just wrong... (but maybe the way it is) |
| 17:10.12 | superlinux | no really jelly-home |
| 17:10.16 | rudi_s | jelly-home: clamav 0.96.3+dfsg-1~volatile1, amd64 |
| 17:10.19 | jelly-home | superlinux: so don't upgrade |
| 17:10.22 | neatza | what's after squeeze? |
| 17:10.32 | superlinux | but i see kernel.org mension it's stable |
| 17:10.50 | sdschulze | superlinux: sure |
| 17:11.09 | sdschulze | superlinux: But "stable in itself" doesn't mean "integrates well with the rest of Debian". |
| 17:11.18 | superlinux | ah ok |
| 17:11.19 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 17:11.20 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.36-rc5-686 (2.6.36~rc5-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-24); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-23); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-23~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-25lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 17:11.21 | reavengrey | kernel.org is on the internet? |
| 17:11.22 | superlinux | fine |
| 17:11.38 | reavengrey | Is that a website? And how would I get there? |
| 17:11.41 | jelly-home | rudi_s: you already have the fixed clamav. |
| 17:11.59 | rudi_s | jelly-home: Why does debsecan tell me it's unfixed? |
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| 17:12.18 | jelly-home | rudi_s: I remember seeing and applying updates for bzip2 and clamav 1-2 weeks ago |
| 17:12.33 | superlinux | sdschulze, what kernel version is squeeze? |
| 17:12.36 | reavengrey | I'm so excited |
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| 17:12.43 | dagnachew | hello everyone |
| 17:12.47 | reavengrey | My debian download is now on 97% |
| 17:12.48 | rudi_s | jelly-home: Me too. But shouldn't debsecan mention that as fixed? |
| 17:12.52 | sdschulze | superlinux: 2.6.32, I think |
| 17:13.01 | dagnachew | any idea about dtrace for linux ? |
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| 17:13.22 | jelly-home | rudi_s: probably. However I have no experience with debsecan, and no idea whether it checks or supports volatile at all |
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| 17:13.50 | rudi_s | jelly-home: Yeah, could be a problem with volatitle. |
| 17:13.54 | jelly-home | rudi_s: /msg dpkg tracker of doom; http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2010-0405 |
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| 17:14.12 | jelly-home | rudi_s: note the web page omits volatile as well |
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| 17:15.05 | rudi_s | jelly-home: That could be it, thanks. |
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| 17:16.12 | sdschulze | I'm beginning to doubt that Linux will ever reach 2.8. |
| 17:16.29 | superlinux | debian has to move on, i think , faster in development. the basic stuff comes old. ok, for example I would accept to be on linux 2.6.32 in a debian stable release, while for example is just released 2.6.35 |
| 17:16.31 | sdschulze | Maybe they will do the same renaming that Emacs did. |
| 17:16.47 | superlinux | i know there is back ports |
| 17:16.55 | sdschulze | superlinux: AFAIK the reason is that 2.6.32 has long-term support. |
| 17:17.00 | superlinux | but things are way too old |
| 17:17.09 | rudi_s | !tell superlinux about stable |
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| 17:17.24 | rudi_s | If you want the newest stuff, either use testing or don't use debian. |
| 17:17.27 | rudi_s | !sns |
| 17:17.27 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
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| 17:17.39 | jelly-home | superlinux: kernel is one thing where a distro SHOULDN'T blindly track upstream |
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| 17:18.35 | sdschulze | superlinux: If you stay with the latest upstream kernel, this means that you have to merge from upstream every month. |
| 17:18.41 | superlinux | jelly-home, I did not say otherwise.. but I cannot accept that big gap between 2.6.26 and 2.6.32 |
| 17:19.12 | sauvin | Then you cannot accept debian. |
| 17:19.27 | superlinux | mmm |
| 17:19.30 | jelly-home | superlinux: you did use it as an example, and that's exactly the wrong example to use to make that point |
| 17:19.31 | sdschulze | superlinux: If you have new hardware, you can use 2.6.32 from backports. |
| 17:19.32 | thepro4ever | how can i execute a .deb file on linux? |
| 17:19.36 | thepro4ever | on deiban i mean |
| 17:19.37 | themill | superlinux: you've already been pointed towards 2.6.32 for lenny and you said you were happy with that. What are you missing now? |
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| 17:19.56 | oblu_ | identify houhou123 |
| 17:20.05 | sdschulze | superlinux: or install individual drivers as modules |
| 17:20.05 | eshat | thepro4ever: you mean install ? "dpkg -i" if you have gnome, instal gdebi |
| 17:20.10 | sauvin | oblu_, please consider changing your password now. |
| 17:20.26 | eshat | sauvin: :D |
| 17:20.43 | superlinux | many of my friends look at me old fashioned while I think I am not. hehe! |
| 17:21.07 | sdschulze | superlinux: Your friends use what OS? |
| 17:21.09 | jelly-home | superlinux: I'm content with stable release times, and would not like if they released it more often than every 24-36 months. If your usage requires constant updates, consider helping with https://lwn.net/Articles/406301/ |
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| 17:21.23 | superlinux | but I am standing tough against their winds |
| 17:21.29 | sauvin | superlinux, many of my friends can't even USE my computer because linux is foreign territory to them. I love debian because it *never* gives me any trouble. |
| 17:21.50 | superlinux | sauvin, me too, like you do |
| 17:22.20 | sauvin | So explain to your friends that staying at or near the bleeding edge also means spending lots of time fixing broken crap. |
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| 17:22.41 | superlinux | oh! don't tell me! I hear plenty |
| 17:22.41 | sdschulze | superlinux: In case they're using Windows XP, their OS is even older. |
| 17:23.05 | superlinux | no! they are Linuxers |
| 17:23.05 | sauvin | Explain to your friends that your computer time is valuable, and you really appreciate that debian allows you to focus on getting stuff done rather than focus on trying to figure out what's wrong with the computer. |
| 17:23.30 | sdschulze | superlinux: And they use what kind of distribution? |
| 17:23.40 | oblu_ | sauvin: :( |
| 17:23.49 | sdschulze | notices he doesn't like the term "distribution". |
| 17:23.50 | kW_ | Hello, does anybody know how to get access to outdated bpo packages, more specifically to linux-headers-2.6.32-bpo.3-amd64 ? |
| 17:23.58 | ys0srs | Debian stable, that is. If you are on sid, you get to keep both (broken) pieces. |
| 17:24.05 | sauvin | oblu_, don't look at ME like that, I didn't do it! The guy around the corner did it! He did it! Go chase HIM! |
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| 17:24.39 | oblu_ | sauvin: ;-) it changed immediatelly .. np |
| 17:24.45 | oblu_ | sauvin: but it pissed me off.. |
| 17:24.50 | sauvin | I can imagine. |
| 17:25.11 | jhutchins_lt | !tell kW_ about snapshot |
| 17:25.11 | superlinux | many use our foe ubuntu, and fedora, and an arabic sub branshing distro of fedora named Ojooba (means the outstanding miracle) |
| 17:25.15 | oblu_ | sauvin: fastenters ftw |
| 17:25.23 | superlinux | and some are on arch and mint |
| 17:25.45 | sdschulze | superlinux: Maybe you should try staying on "testing". |
| 17:25.54 | superlinux | no! |
| 17:25.54 | kW_ | jhutchins_lt: ? |
| 17:26.12 | superlinux | i once tried testing.. plenty of troubles |
| 17:26.34 | sdschulze | really? |
| 17:26.36 | sauvin | I can't and won't fight the arch crown. Ubuntu and mint are debian derivatives and can just kiss the darkest part of my lily white [censored]. Fedora? NOW you're talking about people who voluntarily submit themselves to industrial scale crash test dummy abuse. |
| 17:26.38 | superlinux | yes |
| 17:26.50 | sauvin | s/crown/crowd/; |
| 17:27.09 | superlinux | i am just waiting for the squeeze to be a stable release |
| 17:27.20 | ys0srs | wonders why would one want to use stable on desktop |
| 17:27.27 | sauvin | Besides, debian lenny ran rings around fedora. |
| 17:27.35 | sdschulze | I'm running squeeze and it's quite fine. |
| 17:27.39 | rudi_s | ys0srs: Why not? |
| 17:27.45 | sauvin | ys0srs, depends on the user and how the desktop is being used, no? |
| 17:28.09 | Throat | kW_, you have a pm from the bot that explains it |
| 17:28.17 | ys0srs | sauvin: Yes, for most users testing serves fine, IMHO. Sometimes it breaks, but it gets fixed pretty quickly as well |
| 17:28.29 | superlinux | i think I am unique in my community linuxac.org |
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| 17:28.43 | sauvin | ys0srs, and who are "most users"? What do they use their computers for? |
| 17:29.10 | kW_ | Throat: ah, now I see :-) |
| 17:29.18 | superlinux | but many find debian hard on them. many are not computer pros |
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| 17:29.38 | ys0srs | sauvin: People who use their computers for day to day purpose - browsing, coding etc. |
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| 17:30.07 | rudi_s | I do that and stable works fine for me. Not need to track updates, everything (well most of it) just works. |
| 17:30.36 | sauvin | I'm no pro myself. I chucked a Lenny DVD into the drive, and clicked on the "Install yourself, bitch" button, and it just *went*. As a result, I was happily writing up a movie review in AbiWord less than a couple of hours later. |
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| 17:30.42 | xelister | anyone used ATAoE ? |
| 17:31.28 | sauvin | ys0srs, annotated links showing these demographics, complete with sources and compilation methodologies or the statement has no basis. |
| 17:31.59 | ys0srs | sauvin: Sure is Wikipedia spirit in here, no? |
| 17:32.03 | superlinux | sauvin, i am not adding more excuses, but i am an arab and remember there is the language barrier for many. |
| 17:32.10 | sdschulze | superlinux: Arch seems to be in fashion... though I'm not sure what to think about it. On scale, would you say that it requires more or less tweaking than Debian? |
| 17:32.47 | sdschulze | *On a scale |
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| 17:33.11 | superlinux | well I have since 2 days my friend on arch. he said it's ok for him |
| 17:33.23 | superlinux | he had drivers issues |
| 17:33.39 | superlinux | he had drivers issues with many other distros |
| 17:33.51 | jelly-home | points to #debian-offtopic for all the distro comparison tales |
| 17:33.51 | superlinux | but arch was his best |
| 17:34.07 | superlinux | ok jelly-home |
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| 17:34.19 | sauvin | Yea, if #debian's stance on offtopic is similar to ##linux' |
| 17:34.25 | sauvin | offtopic probably needs to move. |
| 17:34.28 | jelly-home | sauvin: it's worse |
| 17:34.43 | superlinux | jelly-home, it's just jealousy for the sake of debian |
| 17:34.53 | reavengrey | Debian download is done |
| 17:35.31 | superlinux | i've been a debian-er since year 2000 |
| 17:35.37 | superlinux | since sarge |
| 17:36.35 | superlinux | i have been using debian for a long time. |
| 17:36.58 | superlinux | pay me heaps, i am not gonna change into another distro |
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| 17:37.07 | superlinux | i know it's the best |
| 17:37.18 | f8l | superlinux: Sarge was released five years ago. |
| 17:37.27 | superlinux | true |
| 17:37.36 | superlinux | it was a mistake |
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| 17:37.48 | Bushmills | time flies :) |
| 17:37.52 | superlinux | yep |
| 17:38.24 | sdschulze | Hm, I still recall potato... |
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| 17:38.45 | superlinux | Bushmill-, I have to spray the "time flies" ! hehe |
| 17:38.56 | superlinux | maybe time slows a little bit |
| 17:39.08 | Bushmills | remembers 0.90 and 0.94 kernels |
| 17:39.43 | Bushmills | but my initial exposure to debian was very disappointing |
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| 17:40.41 | superlinux | sarge was an excellent distro |
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| 17:41.15 | superlinux | really it was! it introduced me to many linux applications |
| 17:41.47 | jelly-home | transitions Bushmills' system from a.out to elf |
| 17:41.59 | sauvin | I started using debian fulltime on etch and liked it. |
| 17:42.27 | superlinux | goes for water |
| 17:42.53 | Bushmills | i had SLS, then slackware before. when i read about debian, it was saying that it's the distribution for those interested for what happens under the hood, and hands-on folks. then i got me a cd, and when i started to install it - i was so taken aback by the fact that debian had an install menu! |
| 17:43.31 | Bushmills | (that was buzz) |
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| 17:44.05 | Bushmills | no more manually writing boot sectors etc. just select and enter |
| 17:44.10 | Bushmills | i felt cheated |
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| 17:45.45 | jelly-home | thankfully you had dselect to pick and install stuff where you left more at home |
| 17:45.55 | jelly-home | felt* |
| 17:46.03 | ElDeablo | offline repositories, debian squeeze! ???? |
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| 17:46.14 | jelly-home | ElDeablo: full sentence?!?!? |
| 17:46.18 | Bushmills | ElDeablo, dvd |
| 17:46.30 | Throat | jelly-home, sentence no verb! |
| 17:46.32 | jelly-home | ElDeablo: also, read the topic. |
| 17:46.56 | ElDeablo | ok ok |
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| 17:47.03 | vbluzmans | hey, im trying to setup a bootable raid 6 install, but grub keeps failing, has anyone done something like this before ? |
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| 17:47.50 | jelly-home | vbluzmans: md raid? make a small raid1 for /boot, and the rest of the disk space for raid6 |
| 17:48.48 | jelly-home | vbluzmans: if you're running testing, make sure to use the most compatible 0.9 md metadata format for /boot |
| 17:49.12 | jelly-home | vbluzmans: grub-pc can only deal with 0.9 or 1.0 metadata at the present time, I think |
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| 17:49.38 | jelly-home | (which is fun when you notice mdadm in the same testing release defaults to 1.2 format) |
| 17:49.54 | vbluzmans | jelly-home: yes md raid, since i only have 4 drives, should i create raid1 from ex: sda1 sdb1 and raid 6 with sda2 sdb2 sdc1 sdd1 |
| 17:49.58 | vbluzmans | is that what you mean |
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| 17:50.44 | jelly-home | vbluzmans: something like that, but I'd use the exact same partition table for all the disks for simplicity sake, even if you're not going to use the sdc1, sdd1 |
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| 17:51.02 | frostschutz | vbluzmans: usually same partition table, raid1 for a small boot sda1 sdb1 sdc1 sdd1, and the rest raid5/6 |
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| 17:51.51 | frostschutz | vbluzmans: you can include all disks in the raid1, so you can still lose any two disks in a raid6 setup |
| 17:52.28 | vbluzmans | i though you couldnt have more then 2 drives in raid 1 ? |
| 17:52.41 | jelly-home | vbluzmans: you can have two or more. |
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| 17:53.58 | frostschutz | I'm not sure if there's any raid that actually limits the number of disks? although of course there's little point in doing a raid5 over 100 disks when you lose all your data if two fail ;) |
| 17:54.34 | vbluzmans | thanks, will check it out |
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| 17:55.47 | HTT-Bird | E: Failed to fetch http://www.debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/x/x264/libx264-104_0.svn20100918-0.1_amd64.deb: Size mismatch <-- is something b0rked over on dmm? |
| 17:57.27 | themill | HTT-Bird: you probably need to do an "aptitude update". |
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| 17:59.37 | themill | (that package has been updated a couple of times in the last couple of days; persumably with good reason) |
| 18:00.16 | HTT-Bird | themill, thx |
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| 18:03.07 | HTT-Bird | themill, aptitude update didn't do a thing to the problem |
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| 18:03.19 | CodeNinja | I'm having some continuing issues with my vps node... it randomly drops the network, I see this in syslog when it starts:WARNING: at /build/buildd-linux-2.6_2.6.32-23~bpo50+1-i386-4rNVJ7/linux-2.6-2.6.32/debian/build/source_i386_openvz/net/sched/sch_generic.c:267 dev_watchdog+0xbd/0x15d() only way I've adjusted it, is to reboot.. any suggestions? nothing special when it drops, no specific bandwidth limit, no errors in ifconfig for the interface |
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| 18:10.10 | themill | HTT-Bird: given that version is not the current version on the mirror, I'd presume this is a transient problem that will go away on its own. |
| 18:10.32 | HTT-Bird | themill, good to know, hopefully it does. :) |
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| 18:12.03 | joshb | idea: after some searching & luck i discovered `blkid` gives UUID (UUID :-(); maybe an idea to put a comment line in /etc/fstab "run 'that' to get UUID" ? |
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| 18:13.25 | vbluzmans | when partitioning in the install, if i put boot on 1 partition, for all the rest wouldi select / - root, or would i have to create small partitions for usr var etc... |
| 18:13.42 | frostschutz | vbluzmans: whatever you prefer |
| 18:14.17 | vbluzmans | i mean if i select boot on 1 partiton and / - root on the other the installer will automaticaly take out the boot from the / - root |
| 18:14.27 | fxiny | yes |
| 18:14.28 | vbluzmans | damn i made that sound confusing |
| 18:14.31 | vbluzmans | thanks |
| 18:16.27 | therealgalen | Can anybody tell me about Debian unstable's tracking with the latest kernel? I thought it generally was very close to the latest kernel release, but I am running it now and it seems to be back at 2.6.32... |
| 18:17.00 | themill | dpkg: tell therealgalen about slushy |
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| 18:18.03 | therealgalen | themill: where are we in this cycle? |
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| 18:18.51 | themill | therealgalen: as a user of unstable, you are of course subscribed to d-d-a and know that answer already. /msg dpkg d-d-a |
| 18:20.14 | therealgalen | themill: haha |
| 18:20.31 | jelly-home | slushy?? |
| 18:20.35 | therealgalen | my requirements are not extreme, i just like how debian unstable tends to push very new kernels out to me... |
| 18:21.35 | themill | jelly-home: a term stew coined during the lenny freeze. |
| 18:21.41 | jelly-home | therealgalen: during the freeze, some maintainers use experimental as a bit of an unstable replacement |
| 18:21.48 | jelly-home | ,kernels |
| 18:21.49 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.36-rc5-686 (2.6.36~rc5-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-24); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-23); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-23~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-25lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 18:22.00 | HTT-Bird | yeah, since I'm on testing full-time on this box...I hope that when the Squeeze freeze ends, the kernels catch up |
| 18:22.15 | themill | HTT-Bird: they will.... SIYH. |
| 18:22.39 | jelly-home | !squeeze pool 2 |
| 18:22.40 | dpkg | i heard squeeze pool 2 is Maulkin=2011-02-14 chealer=2011-04-15 |
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| 18:23.01 | HTT-Bird | themill, SIYH? :) |
| 18:23.14 | jelly-home | themill: YH is often obstructed by unfriendly maintainers |
| 18:23.34 | HTT-Bird | jelly-home, YH? |
| 18:23.54 | jelly-home | "sooner if you help" |
| 18:26.21 | themill | jelly-home: a good patch that solves an RC bug will be accepted |
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| 18:28.46 | jelly-home | themill: this year? |
| 18:28.57 | spersaud | I upgraded to squeeze now the 2.6.32 kernel wont booted once, but not after installing gnome |
| 18:29.10 | spersaud | im on the old kernel now, I use grub legacy |
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| 18:29.21 | themill | jelly-home: yes. Follow debian-release and you'll see the number of RC bugs being fixed either by maintainers (who are crediting a patch in their changelog) or by NMUs. |
| 18:29.44 | jelly-home | you're just tempting me to test it! |
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| 18:31.28 | jelly-home | finds a rc bug submitted by his old boss |
| 18:31.56 | joshb | hi, i made a new partition (/dev/sda3) (/var ran out of space with .debs); blkid first gave some UUID for it, i listed it in /etc/fstab & copied /var mount options, it is ext3; |
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| 18:32.44 | joshb | on reboot it fails (root shell), blkid doesn't see /dev/sda3 anymore |
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| 18:33.22 | joshb | something about couldn't resolve that UUID at boot up |
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| 18:34.09 | joshb | anyone a clue for me to try ? |
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| 18:35.48 | Bushmills | joshb, mount it as /sda3 instead. or clean your deb archives cache |
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| 18:36.00 | Bushmills | /dev/sda3, that is |
| 18:36.07 | joshb | ok, so that still works |
| 18:36.30 | Bushmills | ehm - does sda3 contain anything? |
| 18:36.45 | joshb | copy of cached debs |
| 18:36.47 | jelly-home | hm, aren't fixes for RC bugs shortcut to take less than 10 days to get into testing? http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=acct |
| 18:36.49 | joshb | i have another copy btw |
| 18:37.03 | Bushmills | anything else than .deb archives? |
| 18:37.07 | joshb | no |
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| 18:37.25 | Bushmills | and you attempt to mount it on /var? |
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| 18:37.36 | joshb | i was going to make 8 GB /dev/sda3, then mount it under /var/cache/apt/archives with the archives |
| 18:38.20 | Bushmills | is there a reason to keep the /var/cache/apt/archives ? |
| 18:38.29 | joshb | yes: cluelessness :) |
| 18:38.47 | joshb | and ... nuclear war of course |
| 18:38.54 | jelly-home | yes, evading redownloads |
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| 18:39.01 | Bushmills | aptitude clean |
| 18:39.08 | joshb | just never know if it is going to be the last surviving disk |
| 18:39.10 | Bushmills | removes them. |
| 18:39.12 | jelly-home | aptitude autoclean |
| 18:39.29 | jelly-home | removes only the obsolete ones |
| 18:39.47 | joshb | ok, thanks |
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| 18:40.16 | joshb | heh, have to use ed(1) :) |
| 18:40.30 | jelly-home | good, it's the standard editor |
| 18:40.36 | joshb | exactly |
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| 18:41.52 | jelly-home | http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.emacs/msg/8d94ddab6a9b0ad3 |
| 18:42.01 | joshb | i did try to make ed my main editor, but it is rough going |
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| 18:42.09 | duet | hello everyone |
| 18:43.13 | jelly-home | ah, there's !ed |
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| 18:43.57 | thepro4ever | how do i purge packages that i have uninstalled from my dpkg list |
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| 18:44.35 | thepro4ever | i still have a package showing up in dpkg -l that i removed earlier |
| 18:45.09 | joshb | okay, fail again on reboot, Bad magic number in super-block ... |
| 18:45.42 | joshb | i read I'net you had to use type 83 in cfdisk, and then could make it ext3, wrong ? |
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| 18:46.06 | jelly-home | joshb: remove that thing from fstab, let the machine boot, recheck the partition table? |
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| 18:46.32 | joshb | ... |
| 18:46.33 | Bushmills | disktype is a useful tool |
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| 18:47.00 | Bushmills | (giving information about a volume) |
| 18:47.34 | jelly-home | joshb: you did require a reboot after you created a new partition and before you mkfs'ed it, did one happen at that time? |
| 18:47.56 | joshb | ah! no i didn't |
| 18:48.29 | jelly-home | Linux kernel has an unhappy limitation in that it can't update its in-memory partition table layout if any partition on that disk is in use |
| 18:49.42 | joshb | recreating partition... <delete><new>reboot |
| 18:50.20 | jelly-home | why delete new again? you already created it |
| 18:50.31 | jelly-home | and you already rebooted |
| 18:50.35 | joshb | for reasons of cluelessness |
| 18:51.18 | joshb | okay, so i can then mkfs.ext3 right away ... trying |
| 18:52.20 | jelly-home | do that only if you created the partition in exactly the same place and size |
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| 18:53.14 | joshb | already done, hadn't yet written new delete/new in cfdisk |
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| 19:01.28 | joshb | when using ed you can just feel how light it is on the system, the true feather amongst editors |
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| 19:03.34 | jelly-home | the only thing I know to do in it with some certainty is q |
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| 19:04.02 | joshb | you first have to select your line |
| 19:04.02 | HTT-Bird | :P |
| 19:04.33 | joshb | then you can edit it by s/.../.../ |
| 19:04.42 | joshb | and such |
| 19:05.02 | jelly-home | I feel similarly about its modal vi decendants |
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| 19:05.07 | joshb | the p command prints lines |
| 19:05.26 | joshb | jelly-home: are you an emacs boy |
| 19:05.32 | jelly-home | nope |
| 19:05.35 | joshb | btw, the system booted :-) |
| 19:05.40 | joshb | recognized /dev/sda3 |
| 19:05.45 | jelly-home | \o/ |
| 19:05.57 | joshb | o/ |
| 19:06.03 | jelly-home | will decline to comment on his religious beliefs |
| 19:06.34 | HTT-Bird | is the weird editor polytheist |
| 19:06.35 | joshb | then there is only one answer, you are an X fanatic |
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| 19:09.14 | Pavlz | why i find difficult to connect ot http://www.debian.org ttl 148 max 152 registered |
| 19:09.45 | Pavlz | i can't access too to the pages of ports |
| 19:10.23 | Pavlz | i am interested to download the ISO's of GNU/Mach |
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| 19:13.55 | magyarlatin | Hello everyone |
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| 19:14.41 | joshb | jelly-home: print ed(1), in case you find it is your only salvation |
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| 19:15.39 | aixenv | i know this might seem a bit odd |
| 19:15.42 | joshb | where is the shrine of ed ... it has no shrine, it is omnipresent (ok i stfu) |
| 19:15.53 | aixenv | any senior level debian admins looking for a job? if so msg me |
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| 19:17.40 | dondelelcaro | aixenv: post on debian-jobs |
| 19:17.49 | aixenv | dondel: we have |
| 19:17.51 | dondelelcaro | aixenv: or see debian.org/consultants |
| 19:18.08 | aixenv | just thought id see if anyone was job hunting and was interested |
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| 19:18.41 | aixenv | working from home/remote, debian, etc |
| 19:19.17 | dondelelcaro | aixenv: I don't see a recent posting there. You'll get more responses there, and it's not really on topic here |
| 19:19.34 | aixenv | its not on topic to help someone get a job? |
| 19:19.43 | dondelelcaro | aixenv: not for this channel, no. |
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| 19:20.42 | smacnay | sorry folks, I was abducted from my computer and missed the recommendations for a gtk music app... |
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| 19:22.45 | dondelelcaro | smacnay: and rhythmbox is too huge, I'm assuming? tried sonata? |
| 19:22.48 | craigevil | smacnay: try aqualung |
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| 19:23.32 | smacnay | thanks for the recommendations - sonata is nice but I generally don't run mpd |
| 19:23.38 | svip | My aptitude update fails on etch main on ftp.de.debian.org |
| 19:23.47 | svip | Any other recommended hosts of packages? |
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| 19:24.24 | qwd | svip: try anoother one in germany |
| 19:24.33 | svip | qwd: Where can I find a list? |
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| 19:25.10 | qwd | svip: just google it |
| 19:25.46 | smacnay | aqualung seems not to be in sid... I must search a bit |
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| 19:25.51 | svip | Err http://ftp2.de.debian.org etch/main Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 195.71.68.86 80] |
| 19:25.55 | svip | Still get that. |
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| 19:26.14 | dondelelcaro | svip: etch isn't distributed on the main mirrors anymore |
| 19:26.23 | dondelelcaro | svip: you need to upgrade to lenny. |
| 19:26.27 | svip | :S |
| 19:26.42 | svip | dondelelcaro: What can I use if I do not wish to upgrade then? |
| 19:26.46 | Bushmills | !etch |
| 19:26.46 | dpkg | Etch is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. Etch users should upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Removed from the mirrors (2010-06-20); ask me about <etch sources.list>. For old Etch ISOs, ask me about <etch iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100121 |
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| 19:27.19 | dondelelcaro | svip: archive.debian.org has it, but you *need* to upgrade |
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| 19:27.24 | svip | Hm. |
| 19:27.29 | svip | !etch->lenny |
| 19:27.31 | dondelelcaro | svip: there are known local and remote root exploits in etch |
| 19:27.40 | svip | Okay. |
| 19:27.50 | svip | I thought the bot knew something about upgrading. |
| 19:27.51 | svip | :( |
| 19:27.58 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: etch->lenny |
| 19:27.58 | dpkg | Read the release notes, ask me about <lenny release notes>. Ensure your Etch installation is up to date, ask me about <etch sources.list> (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade). Then ask me about <lenny sources.list>. aptitude update; aptitude install aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <apt-listbugs>, <etch->lenny key>. |
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| 19:29.54 | nsadmin | the bot no longer responds to !? |
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| 19:30.04 | aixenv | ok well silly me thinking maybe someone might be in the job market, i guess ill go back to monster |
| 19:30.11 | joshb | is there a #debian channel where you can rave about your own new software to go into debian ? or is that here |
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| 19:31.18 | gnufun | What is a really good program to manage music and an ipod? The versions of Rhythmbox, Exaile, gtkpod and banshee in the repos are VERY old and are not in backports. What is your favorite? |
| 19:31.42 | gnufun | lenny |
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| 19:33.29 | aixenv | ok well if anyone is job hunting and has about 8 yrs of debian admin experience, email me your resume aixenv@yahoo.com |
| 19:33.49 | aixenv | pays well, work remote, etc |
| 19:34.55 | svip | There... I be upgrading... |
| 19:35.18 | dondelelcaro | joshb: best to decide that it should go into Debian yourself and do the work! |
| 19:35.22 | dondelelcaro | svip: good |
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| 19:36.33 | dondelelcaro | joshb: once you have it packaged, you can make an RFS on debian-mentors@lists.debian.org |
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| 19:37.07 | svip | dondelelcaro: Considering this is my webserver, it is probably a good idea. |
| 19:37.26 | joshb | dondelelcaro: maybe that would work (if i can find time/energy), tried to follow debian policies when making it |
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| 19:38.27 | therealgalen | Does anybody know why the Debian kernels seem to be built with CONFIG WIRELESS EXT=n ? |
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| 19:39.01 | joshb | dondelelcaro: but honestly, i'm talking about a rather serious program and it would be nice to have some other ppl on it whether debian or 'upstream' |
| 19:39.49 | joshb | dondelelcaro: basically im at the point "if nobody gives a sh* about this cause, then too bad you won't see it" |
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| 19:45.27 | abrotman | therealgalen: which kernel ? |
| 19:46.00 | therealgalen | abrotman: just tested one from unstable, was just curious if there was any specific logic behind it |
| 19:46.19 | abrotman | therealgalen: the one in squeeze isn't set that way |
| 19:46.22 | abrotman | judd: kernels |
| 19:46.23 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.36-rc5-686 (2.6.36~rc5-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-24); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-23); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-23~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-25lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 19:46.37 | abrotman | and they're almost identical .. what is your uname -r ? |
| 19:47.07 | zophy | i need a nice rescue cd that provides a serial console, anyone know of a nice one ? |
| 19:47.11 | therealgalen | 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 19:47.30 | abrotman | i'm on i386 though |
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| 19:47.48 | abrotman | but for me, it's set to 'yy |
| 19:47.52 | abrotman | 'y' |
| 19:48.19 | nsadmin | gnufun: "what is available" -> packages.debian.org (or sourceforge.net if you want to build yourself); "what;'s your favorite" -> google for debian popularity contest |
| 19:48.28 | zophy | 'yy is the name of the tapeworm in my intestine |
| 19:48.39 | zophy | he likes pizza |
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| 19:49.17 | therealgalen | abrotman: thanks for the info... it doesn't really matter, i will just rebuild the kernel anyhow |
| 19:49.41 | abrotman | okay |
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| 19:51.13 | nsadmin | zophy: serial consoles are highly dependent on your hardware, and autodetecting is not trivial. So knowing your hardware yourself + any live cd ought to do it |
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| 19:51.36 | nsadmin | about tapeworms... see a fkin doctor |
| 19:51.56 | positron | Is there a way to reinstall everything without rebooting? |
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| 19:52.29 | nsadmin | most things you can install do not require reboot |
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| 19:52.40 | gnufun | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:53.10 | Guest92579 | nsadmin, I mean a complete system. |
| 19:54.01 | nsadmin | what problem are you trying to solve by reinstalling? |
| 19:54.02 | gnufun | that is about what I expected. Thank you |
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| 19:54.34 | Sergio` | nsadmin, I'm not trusting this system... |
| 19:55.21 | nsadmin | ok, so that's a body sensation you have about your system and is not a problem to be solved. what's the problem you're trying to solve? |
| 19:55.46 | Pum_Baa | hello :) |
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| 19:56.33 | Sergio` | Iceweasel doesn't render pages correctly, neither does Epiphany, I'm having problems with Pidgin and aMSN, and I think that's it. |
| 19:57.06 | Pum_Baa | I might be a few steps ahead of you but I just messed up the process, mounted the wrong filesystem in the right place and noticed only when chroot failed ;) |
| 19:57.31 | nsadmin | did this all happen at once? |
| 19:57.39 | vbluzmans | hey, im trying to boot from a raid 1, and raid 6 all running n 4 drives, but when it boots, keeps giving me unable to start dirty degraded array, when id do mdadm -D shows 1 partion missing from raid 6 but all drives are there and all are working, when i add that missing partition back and start array, it shows as clean, but once i reboot its back to the same missing problem, any ideas ? |
| 19:58.01 | zophy | sexy --> http://rescuecd.pld-linux.org/ |
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| 19:58.34 | Sergio` | nsadmin, nevermind but thanks, I was just trying to avoid to reboot. |
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| 20:01.03 | edju | Squeeze here. Just ran a-g update and was prompted to run auto-remove, which would remove 91 packages. There's a bunch of libraries, but also programs like mpg321 and sdparm. Anyone else get this? |
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| 20:06.00 | vbluzmans | hm fixed it by dd'ing the problematic drive and force readding it, it then started a rebuild process |
| 20:06.04 | vbluzmans | and boots fine now |
| 20:06.18 | Throat | !tell edju about unmarkauto |
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| 20:07.04 | poppiez | there's something called "agent.be" in my process list taking up 70 % CPU. what is it? I don't recognize it |
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| 20:07.26 | CodeNinja | poppiez: run whereis agent.be |
| 20:07.44 | poppiez | CodeNinja: "agent: " |
| 20:08.06 | Throat | you sure that's not truncated? |
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| 20:08.55 | poppiez | Throat: truncated how? |
| 20:09.12 | Throat | what do you mean "how" |
| 20:09.25 | Throat | at the end, of course, 'cause the name is too long |
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| 20:10.02 | Throat | but that doesn't look like anyting in debian, there's only [...]ebin/snmpa_agent.beam |
| 20:10.15 | poppiez | Throat: hmm weird |
| 20:10.41 | Throat | did you use ps auxwww? |
| 20:11.05 | f8l | poppiez: http://www.sophos.com/security/analyses/viruses-and-spyware/trojagentbe.html |
| 20:11.29 | poppiez | f8l: hehe funny :) |
| 20:11.40 | poppiez | Throat: nop |
| 20:12.05 | poppiez | Throat: one moment |
| 20:12.13 | f8l | poppiez: Is wine or mono running? |
| 20:12.13 | b0nghitter | ps uaxwwwwfe |
| 20:12.43 | poppiez | f8l: /etc/bkupexec/agent.be -c /etc/bkupexec/agent.cfg |
| 20:12.46 | poppiez | f8l: nope :) |
| 20:12.54 | poppiez | the first one was for Throat |
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| 20:14.28 | newtolin | hello |
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| 20:15.35 | newtolin | i want to install debian in a few moments, but now i have doubts if i should take debian or slackware. does someone know which distirbution has more packages? and i also wanted to know if it is a good idea to use the testing branch |
| 20:15.35 | esaym153 | hello testing |
| 20:15.49 | newtolin | hello easym153 :) |
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| 20:16.12 | CodeNinja | sysadmin rage |
| 20:16.33 | CodeNinja | has anyone ran into netdev watchdog errors? at sch_generic.c:267 2.6.32 bpo, openvz and 2.6.26 |
| 20:16.39 | f8l | poppiez: Symantec BackupExec Agent? |
| 20:16.53 | poppiez | Throat: just talked to the system administrator. it's apparently some backup software he's implemented. why oh why he's decided to use symantec backup agent is beyond me though |
| 20:17.39 | f8l | newtolin: You should not choose testing. It may be to hard for you. |
| 20:17.40 | esaym153 | hello testing |
| 20:17.54 | CodeNinja | hello failed |
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| 20:18.18 | iman | how can i see web page in terminal |
| 20:18.20 | f8l | newtolin: Debian is known of the number of packages it provides. |
| 20:18.22 | Throat | poppiez, as I said, it's not from debian... /msg dpkg apt-file and also /msg dpkg dlocate , for the next time the question arises |
| 20:18.25 | CodeNinja | iman: apt-get install w3m |
| 20:18.36 | f8l | iman: w3m, elinks, lynx... |
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| 20:18.44 | iman | thank you |
| 20:18.51 | newtolin | f8l, alright, thank you |
| 20:18.54 | poppiez | Throat: thank you :) |
| 20:18.59 | abrotman | newtolin: you would probably want to track 'squeeze', not 'testing' |
| 20:19.00 | esaym153 | hello testing |
| 20:19.15 | abrotman | esaym153: knock it off |
| 20:19.23 | newtolin | abrotman, sorry whats squeeze? |
| 20:19.28 | f8l | esaym153: Hello stable. Can you stop it already? |
| 20:19.36 | abrotman | newtolin: debian.org/releases |
| 20:19.51 | esaym153 | oh, hmm |
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| 20:20.10 | Throat | f8l, have you ever seen viruses/trojans running under wine yet? |
| 20:20.11 | esaym153 | was testing a bot on another channel, not sure how it was posting here too..... sorry |
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| 20:20.37 | f8l | Throat: No, but it may be possible. |
| 20:21.09 | Throat | I find it a bit worrying, that wine has the full rights of my user... |
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| 20:22.32 | esaym153 | hmm weird |
| 20:22.36 | Throat | haven't come up with a really convenient way to limit access... and as long as there are no reports of malware striking under wine, there's not such a lot of pressure to do so |
| 20:22.56 | f8l | Throat: Don't worry. I think wine is not yet virus-for-virus compatible with Windoze. |
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| 20:23.54 | spersaud | whats the best way to install squeeze ? |
| 20:24.07 | spersaud | from cd right? I did an upgrade and it didnt go well |
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| 20:24.38 | abrotman | there is a squeeze netinst |
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| 20:28.08 | spersaud | abrotman: also is it ok to install grub 2 ? |
| 20:28.20 | abrotman | i'm using it .. works fine fo rme |
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| 20:32.19 | Vinterbound | Hi, I'm FreeBSD user thinking about trying Linux specifically Debian, what is the best way to install Nvidia drivers on Debian? |
| 20:33.01 | Bushmills | Vinterbound, debian wiki has instructions |
| 20:33.32 | abrotman | !tell Vinterbound about nvidia |
| 20:33.45 | abrotman | Vinterbound: ultimately, it depends on your specific card and the version of Debian you use .. |
| 20:33.53 | Bushmills | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
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| 20:34.10 | Vinterbound | thanks for the links |
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| 20:36.01 | Vinterbound | this seems little more complicated than on FreeBSD |
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| 20:37.45 | sdschulze | Vinterbound: not really |
| 20:37.54 | sdschulze | It was way harder years ago. |
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| 20:38.23 | Vinterbound | yeah... years ago we didn't even have 64-bit nvidia drivers (on FreeBSD) .. |
| 20:38.27 | Bushmills | the "debian way" of "non free driver" looks complicated at first glimpse, but worked easily just recently |
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| 20:39.18 | sdschulze | Usually, you install nvidia-glx and it works. :) |
| 20:39.19 | Vinterbound | ok.. i'll probably give it a try |
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| 20:40.07 | sdschulze | Bushmills: That page looks like pre-dkms. |
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| 20:40.40 | duet | arrrgghhh im having trouble installing flash player |
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| 20:41.25 | sdschulze | Vinterbound: Nowadays, DKMS does the job for you. |
| 20:41.49 | zophy | duet, copy the lib into the appropriate plugin directory |
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| 20:41.58 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 20:42.07 | zophy | either a user or the system wide |
| 20:42.13 | lenswipe | im trying to run portal (a windows game) under WINE and i cant get it to work |
| 20:42.14 | lenswipe | can someone help? |
| 20:42.16 | Vinterbound | sdschulze: how do I use that DKMS? |
| 20:42.20 | Bushmills | sdschulze, it had 22 updates in this year |
| 20:42.25 | lenswipe | its supposed to work on lenny according to the wine website |
| 20:42.32 | duet | zopy: oh ok thank you, thats what i used to do for slackware |
| 20:42.37 | craigevil | duet: if you are running stable install flashplugin-nonfree from backports, on testing install it from sid |
| 20:42.41 | duet | zophy: oh ok thank you, thats what i used to do for slackware |
| 20:42.41 | sdschulze | Vinterbound: It works automatically -- usually. |
| 20:43.26 | sdschulze | Vinterbound: Just install nvidia-glx. |
| 20:43.46 | Vinterbound | ok, thanks |
| 20:43.49 | lenswipe | can someone help? |
| 20:44.40 | sdschulze | lenswipe: Well, this question is a bit unspecific and also not very Debian-related. |
| 20:44.57 | orak3l | in order to install linux-headers-2.6.36-rc5-686 aptitude is complaining about linux-kbuild-2.6.36 is a virtual package. in fact there are only packages for linux-kbuild-2.6.32 and linux-kbuild-2.6.35. what should i do now to install linux-headers-2.6.36? |
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| 20:45.35 | lenswipe | sdschulze, ive seen someone asking about it in ubuntu forums pertaining to ubuntu, and i dont know where else its relevant to seeing as there isnt a #portal |
| 20:45.41 | lenswipe | (and yes i have looked) |
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| 20:45.46 | lenswipe | and yes i have googled for the problem |
| 20:45.56 | sdschulze | orak3l: From unstable? |
| 20:45.56 | Vinterbound | is it good idea to download Debian amd64 5.0.6 dvd1 or will most everything on it be outdated already and require updates? |
| 20:46.10 | Bushmills | lenswipe, #wine, maybe? |
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| 20:46.25 | lenswipe | Bushmills, it doesnt exist |
| 20:46.31 | sdschulze | lenswipe: Debian's Wine shouldn't be that different from Ubuntu's. |
| 20:46.42 | orak3l | sdschulze, linux-image-2.6.36-rc5 is in experimental |
| 20:46.56 | lenswipe | sdschulze, well aparently it is because when i open the wine config and try and click the audio tab the wine configuration manager crashes out and disappears |
| 20:47.02 | Bushmills | lenswipe, #winehq |
| 20:47.08 | simonrvn | Vinterbound: i'd get a netinst for 5.0.6 then install. dvd is useful if you don't have fast bandwidth: less downloading. |
| 20:47.11 | sdschulze | orak3l: Inconsistencies in experimental happen... |
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| 20:47.57 | lenswipe | Bushmills, basically #any-other-channel-where-i-dont-have-to-deal-with-it |
| 20:48.01 | sdschulze | lenswipe: tried removing your .wine directory? |
| 20:48.14 | lenswipe | sdschulze, nope, is that just in my home dir? |
| 20:48.19 | sdschulze | (and starting over with a "blank" Wine system) |
| 20:48.27 | Bushmills | lenswipe, no, the most authoritative channel for your problem |
| 20:48.31 | sdschulze | lenswipe: Yes, but you will lose all your configuration. |
| 20:49.39 | lenswipe | sdschulze, i fixed it |
| 20:49.40 | sdschulze | (Remember: it imitates Windows, so it must also imitate the need to reinstall :) |
| 20:49.53 | lenswipe | aparently there was no audio module installed or something |
| 20:49.55 | lenswipe | ....weird |
| 20:49.58 | lenswipe | i fixed it now anyway |
| 20:50.48 | orak3l | sdschulze, i would be happy with .35 or even .34 but unfortunatelly thats no option. with .32 from stable im having some issues with intel 945GM/GMS and compositing. |
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| 20:51.28 | sdschulze | orak3l: Can you compile these modules seperately? |
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| 20:52.20 | orak3l | sdschulze, now im totally happy with .36 (no issues so far) now im installing virtualbox which in turn needs to build some kernel modules |
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| 20:52.45 | orak3l | sdschulze, and i cant install the headers |
| 20:53.09 | sdschulze | Can you install the source? |
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| 20:53.41 | Death4Li1e | +18 |
| 20:53.44 | Death4Li1e | oops |
| 20:53.45 | Death4Li1e | nvm |
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| 20:56.59 | m_abs | How can I see the link speed over ethernet? I'm trying to track a performance problem on my LAN. |
| 20:56.59 | orak3l | sdschulze, ok ive installed the src package of linux-headers-2.6.36 |
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| 20:58.17 | sdschulze | m_abs: the *actual* speed? |
| 20:58.47 | sdschulze | m_abs: gnome has the netspeed applet for this, but you can also try dstat. |
| 20:59.13 | m_abs | sdschulze: It's a headless server. |
| 20:59.34 | sdschulze | m_abs: then check if dstat suffices for your needs |
| 21:00.31 | m_abs | sdschulze: Thanks, I'll look at it. |
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| 21:04.01 | JasonWoof | Is there some way I can bind a key to toggle grabbing the mouse into the active window? (from the metacity) rather than editing the source code for the program |
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| 21:06.22 | rafuch0 | hi everyone i am doing an install here and i want to pass an option at boot time to the kernel the generic.all_generic_ide=1 but when i do --> install generic.all_generic_ide=1 it says unknow option.... what i am doing wrong? |
| 21:06.58 | timw | m_abs: if you're asking how to see what speed the link came up (& duplex can be helpful) try mii_tool & ethtool |
| 21:07.22 | m_abs | timw: I am thank you. |
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| 21:08.00 | abrotman | mii-tool IIRC |
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| 21:08.52 | timw | abrotman: <tim stands corrected> you are quite right |
| 21:09.09 | chasing`Sol | hi folks, how could i change the config directory of bind, say from /etc/bind to /etc/named ? |
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| 21:09.54 | abrotman | chasing`Sol: why not just use a symlink ? |
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| 21:11.24 | chasing`Sol | good idea, but i want to know how to change this directory |
| 21:11.59 | rafuch0 | any ideas on my question? |
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| 21:12.18 | oblu_ | chasing`Sol: you dont want to touch it lol.. |
| 21:12.59 | chasing`Sol | why not? |
| 21:13.36 | oblu_ | chasing`Sol: symlink sounds good.. but iwouldn't go any further |
| 21:14.05 | orak3l | sdschulze, ive copied the downloaded source-headers (which seems to be the ordinary 2.6.36-rc5 kernel package) and moved it to /usr/src. now ive linked that directory to /usr/src/linux. /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup cant build the kernel modules. the logfile is here http://pastebin.com/Y22h6Kjr . Seems im almost there. |
| 21:14.09 | abrotman | chasing`Sol: you'd have to recompile the source very likely ... |
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| 21:14.56 | chasing`Sol | and it seems some config files use /etc/bind as well, which means if i "changed" it i will have to go through them |
| 21:15.05 | chasing`Sol | will stick to /etc/bind |
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| 21:15.30 | Pum_Baa | good idea, probably =) |
| 21:15.58 | int_80h | chasing`Sol you can specify the config dir at startup |
| 21:16.04 | int_80h | it's nbd |
| 21:16.21 | Bushmills | chasing`Sol, pass path of config file with -c, specify alternative directories in config file |
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| 21:18.12 | chasing`Sol | well, i wanted to "literally" do something like "# rm -rf /etc/bind", and "# mkdir /etc/named", and carry on with the rest |
| 21:18.26 | chasing`Sol | but apparently it will take some time to fix other stuff |
| 21:18.32 | Bushmills | consider that debian package management doesn't know about the changed paths |
| 21:18.34 | int_80h | mv /etc/bind /etc/named and then edit the config file |
| 21:19.30 | chasing`Sol | OR better yet, wget bind source, and start compiling =D |
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| 21:20.47 | Bushmills | whatever rocks your boat |
| 21:21.13 | chasing`Sol | yeep |
| 21:21.20 | chasing`Sol | ty guys |
| 21:21.24 | Pum_Baa | sorry for asking, but why would you want to move things around in the first place? |
| 21:21.56 | sdschulze | was about to ask the same thing. |
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| 21:22.55 | chasing`Sol | i am used to my file structure of /etc under freebsd, i have /etc/named, and wanted to stick with that |
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| 21:23.26 | Pum_Baa | "stick to the way it was" seems to be a good idea, then :) |
| 21:23.33 | Bushmills | then a symlink, or mount -bind, appears to be the easiest way |
| 21:23.51 | Gendo | hi can someone help me i have a failing rigid disk , that i repaired using hdd regenerator and now my lenny boots but it can't fiind any / directoy like /home or /var , i booted a ubuntu live cd and the folders are ther on the drive perfectly preserved but my systm can't find them , any ideas? |
| 21:23.59 | chasing`Sol | Bushmill-, apparently so |
| 21:25.05 | sdschulze | chasing`Sol: Use symlinks. |
| 21:25.49 | orak3l | i have installed kernel source 2.6.35-rc5 into /usr/src and linked it to /usr/src/linux. virtualbox is complaining about kernel /usr/src/linux does not match version 2.6.36-rc5-686. virtualbox sees it just as 2.6.36-rc5. |
| 21:27.03 | sdschulze | Gendo: So you hard disk is physically failing? |
| 21:27.27 | orak3l | how can i modify /usr/src/linux that it shows itself as 2.6.36-rc5-686 instead of 2.6.36-rc5? |
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| 21:29.08 | nsadmin | orak3l: debian has specific tools which build kernels into packages; you're not using those. While this is fine and your choice, a better source of info would probably be ##linux |
| 21:30.06 | Gendo | yes sdschulze my hard drive was reporting to have the sertors where debian is (the ones i use the most) to be failing but i repiared them |
| 21:30.32 | sdschulze | Gendo: I wouldn't trust programs like that. |
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| 21:31.03 | sdschulze | Gendo: Hard disks fail for a reason. |
| 21:31.15 | nsadmin | yeah, back up now, and then replace the drive |
| 21:31.42 | sdschulze | I've no idea how this program is supposed to work, but it's kinda against any logic. |
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| 21:32.48 | sdschulze | HDDs usually don't fail one sector by another. |
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| 21:34.17 | sdschulze | Gendo: Even *if* the program is able to restore sectors, it won't "cure" the disk. |
| 21:34.46 | sdschulze | If the head is scratching the disk, no softwore in the world will fix that. |
| 21:35.01 | Throat | don't forget about nosmoke.exe, though |
| 21:35.06 | sdschulze | :) |
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| 21:35.45 | sdschulze | Data recovery is a good place to sell snake oil, though. |
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| 21:35.53 | karmatronic | hey ! |
| 21:36.21 | karmatronic | !squeeze |
| 21:36.21 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the next release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0. It is the three-eyed space alien. Ask me about <wwsr> for recent updates and see also <testing> <squeeze udev> <squeeze kernel> <lenny->squeeze> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze . The Debian release is not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. |
| 21:36.45 | karmatronic | !wwsr |
| 21:36.45 | dpkg | Squeeze is now frozen and will release <WIR>, <SIYH>. See http://lists.debian.org/20100806134418.GC9183@halon.org.uk and http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100806 . Ask me about <squeeze bet>. |
| 21:36.53 | Throat | hey! |
| 21:36.55 | Throat | !msg the bot |
| 21:36.56 | dpkg | Please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database, or ask me about <bot help>. Browse my factoids on-line at http://ircbots.debian.net/ |
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| 21:37.29 | karmatronic | Throat: sorry about that :) |
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| 21:37.41 | Throat | no worries |
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| 21:43.48 | SuperAlekZ | hey :) |
| 21:43.57 | SuperAlekZ | anyone experienced with source dedicated servers? |
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| 21:47.48 | abrotman | SuperAlekZ: with what? |
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| 21:50.57 | SuperAlekZ | abrotman which source dedicated servers |
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| 21:51.03 | SuperAlekZ | servers for team fortress 2 for example |
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| 21:54.35 | sweetpi | abrotman: hes talking about the Source engine from Valve, so a game server |
| 21:54.49 | SuperAlekZ | yep, but a particular one :P |
| 21:55.25 | sweetpi | yeah, but I doubt youll find specific support here |
| 21:55.34 | simonrvn | you won't find any |
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| 21:55.58 | SuperAlekZ | hehe :D |
| 21:56.06 | SuperAlekZ | well alright, then i'll just search some forums |
| 21:56.11 | SuperAlekZ | thanks for responses anyways :) |
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| 21:57.16 | sweetpi | at first I though he meant a dedicated server built from source :) |
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| 21:57.44 | Throat | perhaps one running in a scripting language... |
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| 22:00.18 | vbluzmans | hey, can anyone suggest why raid 6 speed is only 30mb when both sata's are 60mb |
| 22:00.32 | vbluzmans | could it be that im running raid 6 with 2 drives missing ? |
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| 22:06.49 | mplabs | Hello! |
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| 22:10.19 | mplabs | The last time I used Lenny was long time ago (I used Squeeze more than Lenny) and now I just installed it again. Now I'm trying to install many useful packages like yakuake, etc, but I could't find it in my repos, is it normal ? |
| 22:10.38 | mplabs | maybe I should add something |
| 22:10.51 | rafuch0 | what is the name of the package .... wich shows the debian installer menu? |
| 22:11.00 | mplabs | source.list: deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main | deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main |
| 22:11.16 | rafuch0 | i mean you insert a debian cd it boots and shows a menu to start the installetion what is the name of that packge |
| 22:11.17 | rafuch0 | ? |
| 22:11.21 | mplabs | I tried with yakuake, xchat2, etc, I couldn't find anything |
| 22:11.25 | themill | mplabs: you have no mirror there. /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 22:11.37 | mplabs | oh |
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| 22:13.03 | mplabs | I can remember that during the installation it asked me about using a mirror but I didn't want to download anything during the installation so I said no |
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| 22:13.35 | mplabs | was it ? |
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| 22:15.40 | xyan | rafuch0: syslinux i guess |
| 22:16.21 | rafuch0 | forget it itype other and there is a section 8 installation-reports Problems with installing Debian |
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| 22:21.00 | rafuch0 | this reportbug program is HARD |
| 22:21.00 | mplabs | ok, I added some repos, can anyone using lenny show me a complete source.list ? |
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| 22:21.53 | themill | dpkg: tell mplabs about sources.list |
| 22:22.05 | themill | mplabs: you only need to add one line to it |
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| 22:23.12 | mplabs | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main |
| 22:23.13 | mplabs | I guess |
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| 22:25.17 | codewiz | hi |
| 22:25.26 | codewiz | im installing snort on a debian 4 vserver |
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| 22:25.39 | codewiz | it asks me, on what network adress it shall listen |
| 22:25.45 | codewiz | that my internet ip? |
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| 22:26.34 | mplabs | Ok, it's working, thank you all ! |
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| 23:06.20 | rafuch0 | can someone tellme what is the name of the package of the debian installer menu? |
| 23:06.38 | rafuch0 | i want to make a bug report |
| 23:06.48 | rafuch0 | and i need the name .... |
| 23:08.00 | Throat | you mean tasksel? |
| 23:08.46 | themill | rafuch0: what are you wanting to report? |
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| 23:10.16 | istevenmon | anyone here has used ucar? |
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| 23:13.00 | rafuch0 | themill: a menu missmatch but i cant send report... : ( |
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| 23:13.25 | rafuch0 | it says that Your message didn't have a Package: line at the very first line of the mail body |
| 23:13.41 | rafuch0 | ohhh lets see.,.. |
| 23:13.43 | themill | rafuch0: you should file the bug against "Package: installation-reports". |
| 23:13.56 | rafuch0 | ok i will |
| 23:14.11 | themill | You'll need to be much more descriptive than "menu mismatch" though. |
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| 23:32.05 | nkuttler | i'm looking for a very simple gui app that turns simple 2d equations into graphs. suggestions? |
| 23:33.24 | themill | !plotting |
| 23:33.24 | dpkg | There are numerous good, Free plotting packages for visualising data or equations for publication. These include <grace>, gri, <pyx>, labplot, <qtiplot>, <gnuplot>, <R>, ploticus, ... See http://lists.debian.org/debian-science/2005/10/msg00053.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-science/2006/04/msg00004.html for ideas and reviews. If you are just looking for a quick but ugly graph then you can use <openoffice>. |
| 23:34.05 | themill | nkuttler: actually, for that, kmplot might be even easier |
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| 23:36.12 | nkuttler | themill: perfect, thanks |
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| 23:36.32 | themill | no worries, enjoy |
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| 23:39.44 | codewiz | which library is missing? Warning: include_once(Mail.php) [function.include-once]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory |
| 23:40.29 | thepro4ever | is there a way to tell my OS to search for the usb drive thumbstick i just put in? |
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| 23:49.16 | streuner | thepro4ever: lsusb, search in the logs? |
| 23:49.42 | streuner | thepro4ever: cat /proc/partitions? |
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| 23:50.53 | Throat | "search"? |
| 23:51.09 | Throat | read the output of apt-cache show usbmount |
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| 23:54.52 | ultron | hi im trying to download only gif or jpg files with wget.... can you help me with the right syntx |
| 23:55.33 | streuner | there is an example in man/info wget |
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| 23:56.49 | Bushmills | or look in /var/run/usbmount, for the devices by name |
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