| 00:00.15 | spersaud | abrotman: squeeze didnt boot |
| 00:00.29 | spersaud | abrotman: only in safe mode |
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| 00:06.52 | jhutchins_lt | spersaud: Well, you can try to diagnose it or accept that that's why squeeze is still testing. |
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| 00:07.15 | jhutchins_lt | spersaud: Sounds like it booted but didn't bring up the GUI successfully? What CPU chipset? |
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| 00:09.03 | Gokee2_ | How can I remove a file called -antialias? I have tried things like rm '-antialias' or rm \-antialias |
| 00:09.34 | rudi_s | Gokee2_: rm ./-ant.. |
| 00:09.46 | themill | or rm -- -antialias |
| 00:10.12 | Gokee2_ | rubin110, Ah right! I should have thought of that |
| 00:10.34 | Gokee2_ | themill, Hmm? With -- it works? Does that end options or something? |
| 00:10.42 | themill | yes |
| 00:10.55 | Gokee2_ | Ah good to know :) |
| 00:11.07 | jhutchins_lt | mc is handy in cases like that. |
| 00:11.27 | rubin110 | What? |
| 00:11.37 | rubin110 | Look before you autocomplete. |
| 00:11.42 | istevenmon | anyone here has worked with uCARP? |
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| 00:12.19 | spersaud | jhutchins_lt: this is a phenom x2 |
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| 00:30.41 | Weisser | Hi, i have problems with totem, what channel i might find help at? |
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| 00:32.53 | streuner | How about to use xine? |
| 00:33.04 | streuner | totem is just a frontend... |
| 00:33.19 | Weisser | ok, i'll check if this solves the problem |
| 00:33.32 | streuner | if you use Debian, you might be right here |
| 00:33.54 | Weisser | (it might turn out it's a corrupt mkv file, tough i hope not) |
| 00:34.08 | streuner | on cli, surely |
| 00:34.22 | Weisser | ? |
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| 00:34.29 | streuner | in a shell |
| 00:34.29 | Weisser | how do i use xine without totem? |
| 00:34.35 | Weisser | what about shell |
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| 00:34.59 | streuner | you just install xine? |
| 00:35.09 | streuner | wait, try mplayer :-) |
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| 00:35.46 | Weisser | k lets try |
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| 00:36.39 | Weisser | seems like a solution to my problem |
| 00:36.44 | Weisser | stupid totem ;p |
| 00:38.59 | sptnik | somebody knows how do I disable the graphics effects(minimize) on gnome? |
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| 00:44.26 | mjmt | sptnik: One way, make sure you have compizconfig-settings-manager (aka ccsm) installed, and in that, either under "Animations" you'll find settings for Minimize Animation. |
| 00:44.42 | mjmt | Or there's a separate plugin "Minimize Effect" or similar. |
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| 00:45.39 | acu | I am trying to install zimbra mail server in debian squeeze amd64 and it gives me that It missing libgmp3 (I installed any libgmp3c and others in squeeze but it does not do the trick) what should I do |
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| 00:47.17 | mjmt | Err by "separate plugin" I meant elsewhere in ccsm. |
| 00:47.21 | thepro4ever | hmm |
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| 00:58.30 | holycow | hi guys |
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| 00:58.54 | holycow | i have a cron.hourly script running and somehow all of its output is being sent to /var/mail/username |
| 00:58.55 | thepro4ever | hmm |
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| 00:59.34 | holycow | the odd thing it is owned by root but spitting output to /var/mail/specificusernameotherthanroot |
| 00:59.56 | holycow | any thoughts on what mechanism handles this? |
| 01:02.04 | mjmt | holycow: /etc/aliases ? |
| 01:02.22 | falldown | in /etc/crontab : "MAILTO is who gets mailed the output of each command. If a command cron is running has output (e.g. status reports, or errors), cron will email the output to whoever is specified in this variable. If no one if specified, then the output will be mailed to the owner of the process that produced the output." |
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| 01:03.11 | holycow | aha, both very usefull tips, thank you |
| 01:03.36 | falldown | yw |
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| 01:21.59 | thepro4ever | hmm |
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| 01:27.31 | dev001 | I'm trying to recover a new-install Debian PowerPC box -- stuck "somewhere" between Lenny & Squeeze. I've gotten a recommendation to upgrade the kernel from 2.6.26-2-powerpc -> 2.6.32-5-powerpc before I reboot it, to avoid a udev ver<150 'problem' (digging for more info atm). But, a "apt-get- install linux-image-2.6.32-5-powerpc" complains abt some deps, e.g. "Depends: linux-base (>= 2.6.32-23) but it is not going to be installed" ... |
| 01:27.46 | dev001 | I _thought_ that's what the pkg mgr would take care of --- how do I get out of this loop? |
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| 01:28.57 | streuner | dpkg, listkeys udev |
| 01:28.58 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'udev' by key (15 of 26): #debian fresh udev config ;; #debian udev ;; #debian udev usbkey ;; _default hotplug->udev ;; _default udev 2.6.12 ;; _default udev usbkey ;; fresh udev config ;; fresh udev rules ;; remove udev ;; squeeze udev ;; udev ;; udev details ;; udev ipod ;; udev rules ;; udev squeeze. |
| 01:29.14 | streuner | !squeeze udev |
| 01:29.14 | dpkg | As of <udev> 150 in squeeze, Linux kernel 2.6.27 or later is required (i.e. upgrade kernel and udev at the same time). If udev installation fails and you already have a squeeze kernel installed, then reboot into the new kernel and "aptitude -f install ; aptitude safe-upgrade" to continue. See also <squeeze udev fix>, <squeeze kernel>, <kernel abi>, http://bugs.debian.org/571255 |
| 01:30.10 | dev001 | streuner: thanx -- that's point in the right direction. afaict, there's still a Lenny kernel installed in this, tho |
| 01:30.56 | magyar | hi, how can i playback wma files in squeese amd64? |
| 01:32.02 | streuner | dpkg, wma |
| 01:32.02 | dpkg | methinks wma is Windows Media Audio, a proprietary audio data compression technology developed by Microsoft. Can be played with <xine>-based players, <vlc>, <mplayer> and <mpd>. |
| 01:32.31 | streuner | if they arent supported, just try <essential package> too... |
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| 01:44.36 | magyar | streuner: debian multimedia used to have them. Before I reinstalled squeeze, lenny and wma files were working fine |
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| 01:45.09 | xuser | use vlc |
| 01:45.44 | streuner | magyar: sure, but if it works for him (mplayer or such), it should be enough |
| 01:46.10 | streuner | magyar: if he would tell us more, we will give him that answer... |
| 01:46.14 | magyar | non of the players work |
| 01:46.28 | streuner | for some wma's surely |
| 01:46.29 | magyar | i tried all kde players |
| 01:46.45 | streuner | hm |
| 01:47.18 | magyar | some wmas seem to play but majotiry dont do much |
| 01:47.20 | streuner | and they arent just frontends? |
| 01:47.33 | magyar | all used to play in lenny |
| 01:47.35 | streuner | yes, prolly true |
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| 02:32.20 | austin987 | it looks like the kfreebsd installer is broken, it can't partition the hdd. known bug? |
| 02:33.00 | Dewi | austin987: wrong channel |
| 02:33.27 | jaggz | how do you get thunderbird to imap in as user@hostname? I'm setting up dovecot to handle virtualhosts which requires the user@host format but my logs show just "jaggz" is coming in. |
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| 02:43.45 | austin987 | Dewi, thanks, I moved it to that channel |
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| 02:50.10 | orioni | is possible to decrypt a $1$$F0H5t/lw8ZobYIUTH6Jcj password ? |
| 02:50.12 | mjmt | jaggz: Put the full user@hostname as user, iirc. I have Dovecot set up the same way. |
| 02:52.06 | Guest21554 | orioni: brute force. |
| 02:52.22 | dondelelcaro | orioni: no |
| 02:52.25 | orioni | the only way is that ? |
| 02:52.42 | danderson | brute force or a dictionary attack, if you know that it's a dictionary word |
| 02:52.53 | danderson | but it's going to take a *long* time unless you get lucky with the dictionary. |
| 02:53.03 | orioni | i can remember that johnny the ripper cant decrypt or better doestn recognize the $6$ |
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| 02:53.44 | danderson | probably the version you use only recognizes crypt passwords |
| 02:53.50 | orioni | the machine is not using /etc/shadow at all |
| 02:53.58 | danderson | which are more or less deprecated in favor of schemes that use stronger ciphers as a base. |
| 02:54.00 | orioni | the password is on /etc/passwd |
| 02:54.16 | orioni | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:54.27 | orioni | that is located on the /etc/passwd file |
| 02:54.30 | danderson | $1$ is an algorithm based on the MD5 hash. |
| 02:54.45 | danderson | well, crap for the sysadmin. Looks like an email to root pointing out that enabling shadow would be nice. |
| 02:55.02 | orangegene | is there a command to find out what package created a given file on my system? |
| 02:55.04 | orioni | its an old appliance |
| 02:55.05 | danderson | (assuming it's not you here, since you appear to want to break into a system) |
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| 02:55.33 | orioni | i did a backup of the filesystem and then mounted that with loop |
| 02:55.44 | orioni | 2mega file |
| 02:55.50 | danderson | but, yeah, unless the password is a weak dictionary word, you're out of luck |
| 02:56.03 | danderson | best thing you can to is squash it with your own hash and reimage the appliance with it. |
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| 02:56.18 | danderson | (the same format as what's in your /etc/shadow should work fine) |
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| 02:57.13 | orioni | thought of resquashing all the filesystem but afraid of bricking the device |
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| 02:57.30 | danderson | yeah, that's always a risk. Can't you mount it directly from another machine? |
| 02:57.34 | danderson | What's the hardware? |
| 02:57.40 | orioni | dm500 |
| 02:57.48 | orioni | a satellite receiver |
| 02:58.00 | echosystm | anyone here used LXC (linux containers) ? |
| 02:58.07 | echosystm | or is familiar with them |
| 02:58.24 | danderson | ah, so NAND storage, not a drive. |
| 02:58.30 | orioni | yes |
| 02:58.43 | danderson | well, good luck with that. Wikipedia refers to the Tuxbox project, maybe they'll have some insight. |
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| 02:59.09 | danderson | (I have zero experience manipulating NAND from linux, only from the metal directly, so I'm not going to offer advice) |
| 02:59.28 | orioni | :) |
| 03:00.01 | tuv | ui.current_view.set=X |
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| 03:08.19 | voss749 | Whats the story with the x264 package |
| 03:12.28 | vsmatck | Just noticed that. Saying it's the wrong size. The debian-multimedia guy will prolly fix it soon. |
| 03:13.03 | acu | I installed kolab web admin in debian squeeze - however I to start web admin interface - any hint |
| 03:15.20 | voss749 | vsmatck, all us Mint Debian users noticed it earlier today. |
| 03:16.09 | voss749 | debian-multimedia is enabled by default in mint debian. |
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| 03:21.06 | anisfarhana | morning :) |
| 03:21.13 | anisfarhana | Anyone familiar with squid here ? |
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| 03:25.47 | dondelelcaro | anisfarhana: best to just ask your question |
| 03:28.38 | anisfarhana | I'm doing some testing here with "acl blocked url_regex "/some/path/website.txt" and "http_access deny blocked" , i didn't works! |
| 03:28.49 | anisfarhana | *it didn't work |
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| 03:29.40 | anisfarhana | Ah ignore it , it works now |
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| 03:33.04 | anisfarhana | I wonder how to 'force' the client using the proxy server. |
| 03:33.06 | anisfarhana | Umm.. |
| 03:33.50 | anisfarhana | I don't have to go to every pc and put the proxy host in the browser , right ? Must be another way to do so. |
| 03:37.10 | peterrooney | anisfarhana: seeing as use of a proxy server is a client issue... perhaps edit and distribute /etc/skel/ |
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| 03:40.00 | CodeNinja | has anyone ran into netdev watchdog errors? at sch_generic.c:267 2.6.32 bpo, openvz and 2.6.26, tried a different nic, still same issues, a bit more info when it happens though |
| 03:42.19 | CodeNinja | http://docs.chriswalker.devnetonline.net/watchdog3.log |
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| 03:51.23 | anisfarhana | peterrooney: I want everyone to use the proxy without having to configure to use the proxy. |
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| 03:57.52 | sweetpi | anisfarhana: http://wiki.debian.org/ProxyAutodetectConf |
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| 04:07.01 | anisfarhana | sweetpi: How if i do redirect traffic from port 80 to my squid server ? |
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| 04:08.22 | sweetpi | anisfarhana: did you read about the wpad file? |
| 04:09.06 | anisfarhana | sweetpi: yes |
| 04:10.18 | sweetpi | then I'm not sure what your asking, you dont have a server to host it? |
| 04:11.25 | anisfarhana | sweetpi: To host what ? proxy ? |
| 04:11.46 | sweetpi | the wpad file on port 80 |
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| 04:12.38 | anisfarhana | sweetpi: i can host wpad on proxy server. |
| 04:13.05 | firespeaker | is there some way to go into an environment where some random directory becomes / ? |
| 04:13.23 | sweetpi | anisfarhana: ok. so what is the question then? |
| 04:13.26 | mjmt | firespeaker: chroot |
| 04:13.58 | firespeaker | mjmt: ah, that rings a bell; thanks |
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| 04:15.35 | anisfarhana | sweetpi: Is there any way to redirect all HTTP requests to a proxy automatically without having to change proxy settings on the PCs? |
| 04:16.26 | sweetpi | ah. so were not even talking about wpad? ok iptables then I guess |
| 04:16.54 | firespeaker | mjmt: chroot doesn't work when the executables (e.g., bash) in the new environment are for a different architecture than chroot? |
| 04:17.03 | firespeaker | (even though they're both compatible with the hardware) |
| 04:17.27 | firespeaker | (i386 and amd64) |
| 04:17.54 | anisfarhana | sweetpi: I'm running ipcop as the firewall gateway here. |
| 04:18.10 | mjmt | No, people often use chroot to e.g. make a 32-bit environment within a 64-bit host, e.g. for compiling software for both archs. |
| 04:18.36 | firespeaker | "schroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Exec format error" |
| 04:19.28 | firespeaker | my host is i386 and the stuff I'm trying to chroot to is amd64 |
| 04:19.59 | mjmt | Pretty sure you can only do that the other way around. |
| 04:20.10 | firespeaker | huh, that seems strange |
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| 04:43.53 | dsockwell | anisfarhana: squid will function as an intercepting proxy |
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| 04:44.49 | johni | hello everybody, how can I force an package reinstall to restore some deleted configuration files? |
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| 04:45.56 | firespeaker | apt-get install --reinstall package |
| 04:47.28 | johni | firespeaker, for some reason the configuration files for mysql do not get recreated |
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| 04:48.04 | firespeaker | are you sure they're owned by that specific package? |
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| 04:52.11 | superlinux | hi. |
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| 04:53.39 | superlinux | what is the date for squeeze to be released stable? |
| 04:55.22 | rww | superlinux: there isn't one set. it'll be released when it's ready |
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| 04:56.06 | superlinux | but shouldn't it be ready by now? it has been 2 years now |
| 04:56.25 | superlinux | who is responsible for that? |
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| 05:01.42 | sweetpi | http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-contributing.en.html |
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| 06:16.56 | leejongwook | [Q] sync time ? |
| 06:17.24 | leejongwook | Could someone provide me a good how-to article ? |
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| 07:11.28 | he2 | hi |
| 07:11.54 | he2 | when i try to watch an .avi-file, there is just a green screen |
| 07:12.00 | he2 | how can i fix this? |
| 07:12.06 | he2 | i'm using vlc |
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| 07:14.37 | Padhu | giver will not detect remote machine over intra net. How can i correct this? |
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| 07:29.02 | Bushmills | he2, in Tools>Preferences>Video>Output, try X11 |
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| 07:30.27 | Bushmills | Padhu, how is it supposed to find remote machine? through zeroconf/mdns/avahi? |
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| 07:34.24 | Padhu | bushmills: Both are static IPs. It works fine on LAN ( both have an same Gateway) but not work when gateway of both computers are different. Ping response, ssh connection works fine. Firewall also disabled. |
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| 07:35.20 | Padhu | Bushmills: How can i make zeroconf? |
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| 07:37.37 | Bushmills | makes only sense when the app benefits from it. if it does, by installing avahi. i suppose the the services which announce themselves over zeroconf autoconfigure by install script - but as you mention "gateway", i probably wouldn't work, my understanding was that's a service on your LAN |
| 07:38.12 | Bushmills | add missing chars where needed |
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| 07:40.07 | Padhu | Actually my need is exchanging files between Debian machines in GUI mode without using passwords. For normal users. any other applications? |
| 07:40.22 | Padhu | except samba |
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| 07:41.14 | Bushmills | nautilus and konqueror have support for scp/sftp. ssh keys will do for password-free connection |
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| 07:41.58 | Bushmills | i.e. have remote machines as bookmarks, and you can click on them to open them in your file manager |
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| 07:42.37 | Bushmills | just needs an ssh server on the remote |
| 07:42.38 | Padhu | Bushmills: All machines having only gnome. |
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| 07:42.59 | brunozde163 | Hello! |
| 07:43.19 | brunozde163 | Anybody here that can help me with configuration of virtual server under Debain Linux 5.0 and Webmin? |
| 07:43.29 | Bushmills | or look at autofs, and nfs, to mount remote machine on demand |
| 07:43.30 | brunozde163 | Need urgent help |
| 07:43.45 | Padhu | Bushmills: Now we are using 'fish' through konqueror. i tried Giver which is satisfies my need. |
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| 07:44.47 | Padhu | Bushmills: gftp with 'ssh2' working fine. but it require username and password. |
| 07:45.03 | Bushmills | Padhu, set up key login |
| 07:45.14 | jelly-home | brunozde163: webmin was removed from Debian a few years back, I'm not sure you're going to get help using it in this channel |
| 07:45.34 | brunozde163 | Oh, ok I understand |
| 07:45.35 | Bushmills | "urgent help" = "pays well"? |
| 07:45.51 | jelly-home | Bushmills: one would hope so |
| 07:45.53 | Padhu | Bushmills: passwordless login? that is big hole of security. |
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| 07:46.14 | Bushmills | Padhu, no, it is an improvent of security over passwords |
| 07:46.33 | brunozde163 | Bushmills: Can you help me? |
| 07:46.43 | Bushmills | brunozde163, make a good offer |
| 07:47.45 | Padhu | Bushmills: It will require RSA Keys of all PCs over network. ( we have approximately 100 Linux PCs) |
| 07:48.02 | Padhu | On each machines too. |
| 07:48.44 | Bushmills | Padhu, every machine needs its own key pair, and a list of public keys of those machines allowed to access them |
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| 07:51.01 | Padhu | Bushmills: yes |
| 07:51.55 | Padhu | Bushmills: i will post my query in google code mailing list. :-( |
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| 08:06.14 | Padhu | Bushmills: Thanks,:-) |
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| 08:19.31 | LavaLovinFool | hi guys. i'm having a mysterious trouble :P when i download something (speed is about 100-200KB/s), everybody else on the network gets a network freeze. iftop shows that i'm actually downloading with 2MB/s or such. also, the internet radio i was listening to stopped working when i started downloading and it started working again when i stopped downloading. i've also noticed that there are a lot of hosts in iftop that seem to be related to dns stuff, |
| 08:19.31 | LavaLovinFool | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:20.51 | Bushmills | not too likely. 200 KiloBytes per second isn't that far below 2000 Kilobits per second, you might simply max out your line |
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| 08:22.07 | LavaLovinFool | we have a frickin fiber |
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| 08:22.36 | LavaLovinFool | i'm just saying -- maybe something is generating pointless traffic but i've no idea where to start googling |
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| 08:22.51 | Bushmills | so why do you get just 2 Megabits per second? |
| 08:23.07 | LavaLovinFool | that's my question :P |
| 08:23.40 | LavaLovinFool | nvm that, what about the dns stuff? |
| 08:24.10 | Bushmills | not too likely high traffic |
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| 08:24.59 | LavaLovinFool | point is -- my computer is the only one on the network that does that weird dns stuff |
| 08:25.47 | Bushmills | check out ntop, dstat, iptraf or the like on your machine |
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| 08:27.20 | LavaLovinFool | i installed resolvconf, wonder if that does anything |
| 08:28.01 | LavaLovinFool | brb |
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| 08:36.01 | blabla | hi. is it possible to use early_command and wget to load a partman recipe info /tmp and let partman-auto/expert_recipe_file point to that file? |
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| 08:39.28 | blabla | it does not work for me but there are some examples that seem to work. |
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| 08:42.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | you know... when you're talking about debian-installer, it is sometimes kind of useful to say so |
| 08:43.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | also... I suspect you're talking about preseeding? |
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| 08:43.33 | blabla | CutMeOwnThroat: you are right. :-) |
| 08:43.48 | streuner_ | so in which way? |
| 08:44.03 | streuner_ | about debian-installer? |
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| 08:44.28 | blabla | I guess so. I use a preseed file. |
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| 08:44.45 | blabla | partman seems to be a part of the debian installer. |
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| 08:45.22 | streuner_ | yes, its only there |
| 08:45.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | right, there's /usr/share/doc/debian-installer/devel/partman-auto-recipe.txt.gz documenting it |
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| 08:46.02 | blabla | CutMeOwnThroat: I know. The file is ok, but partman does not use the file. |
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| 08:47.18 | streuner_ | sound like #debian-boot or/and debian-boot question |
| 08:47.29 | blabla | streuner_: ok thx. |
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| 08:48.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | blabla, I guess you have seen the wiki page on preseeding http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed |
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| 08:49.06 | *** topic/#debian by themill -> lenny (5.0.6) /msg dpkg 5.0.6 | etch no longer on mirrors: /msg dpkg etch->lenny | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg pastebin | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | FAQ: http://bit.ly/DebFAQ | channel logs: http://bit.ly/DebFNDLog | Squeeze has been frozen: http://bit.ly/DebSqueezeFreeze |
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| 08:49.28 | themill | (topicdiff: remove NODATA 2 information as all mirrors should have synced by now) |
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| 08:49.47 | blabla | CutMeOwnThroat: of course I have. |
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| 08:50.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | just checking |
| 08:51.12 | blabla | CutMeOwnThroat: there are people who read documentation before they ask questions in irc. :-) |
| 08:51.21 | streuner_ | hihi |
| 08:52.01 | themill | Quick stuff him! He might be the last of his species! |
| 08:52.06 | streuner_ | blabla: well, iam glad that i told you about #debian-boot then, but have some patient... |
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| 08:53.09 | blabla | streuner_: i will be. :-) the only thing i fear is, that it is not possible at all and i am not doing something wrong. |
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| 08:56.51 | martync | hi, I'm having a serious problem when trying to login from the root user to another user. su myuser >>Cannot execute /bin/sh: Permission denied |
| 08:57.06 | falldown | what is this doc-u-ment-ation of which you speak??? :) |
| 08:57.39 | martync | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:57.51 | blabla | it has to be executable. |
| 08:57.54 | jaggz | Hm, now how can I get all my emails from my single-file format into my mailbox format? |
| 08:57.58 | martync | it is |
| 08:57.59 | blabla | chmod a+x /bin/sh |
| 08:58.13 | martync | -rwxr-xr-x |
| 08:58.31 | jaggz | that should be a simple search actually... but maybe there's a more-debian-specific way |
| 08:58.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | blabla, right... they're often the ones who have a hard time getting answers, because they already exhausted the more obvious things and the more general knowlege... been there, done that |
| 08:58.38 | martync | the only thing I did this morning is to change /etc/sudoers |
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| 08:59.22 | martync | it was readonly so I set it to chmod 640 |
| 08:59.30 | martync | then chmod 440 |
| 08:59.38 | blabla | martync: who about /lib/ld-linux.so.2? or /lib? is the user allowed to access that folder and is the file executable? |
| 08:59.41 | jaggz | mb2md |
| 09:00.51 | martync | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 jun 18 16:13 ld-linux.so.2 -> ld-2.7.so |
| 09:01.05 | martync | drwxr-xr-x 12 root root 12288 sep 30 10:15 /lib |
| 09:01.22 | urna | martync: what was it you changed in /etc/sudoers? |
| 09:01.59 | martync | I added a new line : myuser ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 09:02.17 | martync | and I removed it when seeing the error |
| 09:03.00 | martync | I tried to create a new user, the same thing when trying to login with it |
| 09:04.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | martync, I guess running strace -f -e open su <user> might give you a clue... only thing I could think of would be wrong permissions on / or /bin or what blabla suggested, on any of the runtime libraries (which you can see with ldd /bin/sh) |
| 09:04.41 | martync | when trying to connect with ssh directly with my user I have a Could not chdir to home directory Permission denied |
| 09:05.04 | urna | martync: what are the permissions on /home ? |
| 09:05.16 | martync | drwxr-xr-x myuser:myuser |
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| 09:05.27 | urna | on /home, not /home/myuser |
| 09:05.53 | martync | idrwxr-xr-x |
| 09:05.55 | martync | drwxr-xr-x |
| 09:06.20 | urna | what about ownership ? |
| 09:06.22 | themill | martync: unrelated, but next time you need to edit sudoers, use visudo (it will use whatever your default editor is, which you can configure using update-alternatives or export EDITOR) |
| 09:06.43 | urna | I second themill :p |
| 09:06.48 | martync | yes themill |
| 09:07.25 | martync | but now all my websites and my pop server ar down |
| 09:09.33 | themill | martync: can you pastebin the output of "ldd /bin/sh ; file /bin/sh ; file -L /bin/sh ; uname -r" for us? |
| 09:10.35 | martync | http://friendpaste.com/ZYgLXGwC16PILlzZpr1go |
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| 09:11.49 | martync | @CutMeOwnThroat : my user cannot access to /usr/share/locale and strace tells me also that myuser Cannot execute /bin/sh: Permission denied |
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| 09:12.32 | themill | martync: which version of debian is this? |
| 09:12.39 | martync | 5.0 |
| 09:12.54 | themill | it's a vps of some sort, I take it |
| 09:13.21 | martync | vps ? |
| 09:13.30 | themill | Xen or OpenVZ or similar |
| 09:13.43 | jelly | hey, xen's proper vm |
| 09:13.56 | themill | !pal jelly |
| 09:13.56 | dpkg | points at jelly and laughs hysterically |
| 09:13.57 | martync | ah, it 's on a dedicated server |
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| 09:15.28 | themill | martync: that's just not a debian kernel, but that's probably not relevant |
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| 09:16.35 | themill | martync: can you pastebin "stat /bin/bash" |
| 09:17.55 | martync | before that I tried with my user a sudo cmd (sudo apache) and could not remember my password, I failed the 3 trys and the system told me that the error will be send to admins |
| 09:18.01 | martync | then the login stopped to wrk |
| 09:18.48 | martync | http://friendpaste.com/1IAzc1qSnp9i89NpI4BiiD |
| 09:19.23 | themill | martync: why is /bin/bash 0440? that's very wrong. |
| 09:19.44 | martync | true |
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| 09:20.14 | themill | (should be 0755) |
| 09:22.27 | martync | I changed it and I still cannot login |
| 09:22.35 | jelly | bets a chmod gone wrong |
| 09:22.58 | martync | chmod 0755 /bin/bash |
| 09:24.06 | themill | martync: try just running "/bin/bash" in your current terminal -- let's make sure that works prior to complicating things with su. |
| 09:24.38 | martync | returns nothing, so I hope it is normal |
| 09:25.20 | jelly | it doesn't open a new shell? |
| 09:25.28 | martync | no |
| 09:25.33 | jelly | martync: echo $SHLVL |
| 09:25.49 | martync | >> 2 |
| 09:26.07 | jelly | now exit that shell, and look at SHLVL again |
| 09:26.33 | themill | unless this is your last remaining shell on the box, in which case don't exit it.... |
| 09:26.40 | jelly | yeah, right |
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| 09:28.01 | martync | when login one more time I have 1 |
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| 09:30.01 | jelly | "pstree -p $PPID" whether there's a shell above it or not |
| 09:30.26 | martync | bash(17812)???bash(18028)???pstree(18084) |
| 09:30.38 | jelly | running /bin/bash probably opened a new shell, it's just you're unable to discern it's a new one |
| 09:30.44 | jelly | right |
| 09:30.55 | jelly | so it's safe to "exit" that one |
| 09:31.00 | jelly | back to shell level 1 |
| 09:31.45 | martync | yes, that it. First login SHLVL=1; /bin/bash; then SHLVL=2 |
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| 09:32.25 | martync | so bin bash seems correct no ? |
| 09:32.33 | jelly | it does |
| 09:33.08 | dsockwell | root |
| 09:33.17 | dsockwell | ... that isn't the right keyboard |
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| 09:40.50 | martync | my user is not in /et/passwd |
| 09:41.19 | martync | and su anewuser now works |
| 09:41.23 | dsockwell | ... that isn't the right keyboard |
| 09:41.36 | dsockwell | :| |
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| 09:41.45 | dsockwell | maybe it's time for my coffee |
| 09:41.47 | martync | wrong, was on my second server |
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| 09:42.05 | Dovid | how do I upgrade a specific package ? apt-get update <PACKAGE_NAME> ? |
| 09:42.23 | martync | no my user is on /etc/passwd and su still don't work |
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| 09:45.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | Dovid, aptitude install packagename |
| 09:45.53 | martync | so am I lost ? |
| 09:46.11 | martync | looking everywhere on mailing lists and forum with no answer |
| 09:46.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's wrong... you have to investigate what your problem is, not that of other people |
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| 09:47.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | we already told you pretty much all the things to look for |
| 09:47.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | you fixed some things that were obviously wrong |
| 09:47.19 | Dovid | CutMeOwn |
| 09:47.23 | martync | yes and everything was fine |
| 09:47.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | so now it's a _different_ problem you have and you haven't even begun to describe that |
| 09:47.41 | Dovid | CutMeOwnThroat: what does "kept back" mean ? |
| 09:48.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | so nobody _can_ answer you |
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| 09:48.45 | martync | Could it be related to the 3 sudo fail with myuser ? |
| 09:48.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | Dovid, there's... upgrade/safe-upgrade and full-upgrade/dist-upgrade - the "safe" upgrade will not remove packages during the upgrade process... so all packages whose upgrade would require a removal are not upgraded, but "kept back" |
| 09:49.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | Dovid, ah... actually remove packages or install new packages |
| 09:52.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | martync, be specific in describing the problem... what errors do you see when you do what |
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| 09:52.30 | martync | su myuser |
| 09:52.31 | martync | Cannot execute /bin/sh: Permission denied |
| 09:52.40 | martync | exit |
| 09:52.46 | martync | ssh myuser@myhost |
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| 09:52.56 | martync | Could not chdir to home directory /home/martyn: Permission denied |
| 09:52.56 | martync | /bin/bash: Permission denied |
| 09:52.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought that was fine after you changed the permission on /bin/bash |
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| 09:53.27 | martync | No, my bad, I tried on another server (the dev server) |
| 09:53.42 | willemb | Hi |
| 09:54.01 | willemb | Is webmin still considered to be the tool for pussies who don't know their cli foo ? |
| 09:54.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | all the things we already said still apply... perhaps just go through it and check everyting on the correct machine? |
| 09:54.30 | martync | yes |
| 09:54.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | willemb, I thought it's considered to be the tool for lazy crackers and worms who don't want to put any real effort into breaking into new machines... |
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| 09:56.11 | willemb | What do you guys recommend as a web gui for managing kvm instances? |
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| 09:56.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | willemb, you might /msg dpkg webmin and also /msg dpkg free whcp |
| 09:56.55 | martync | I didn't paste the strace output : http://friendpaste.com/1fNpXe9Sa7xM9c1okpPeUJ |
| 09:58.36 | jelly | willemb: having a nice new gui isn't the issue with webmin; lack of quality of the code underneath is |
| 09:58.44 | jelly | s/new // |
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| 09:59.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | throws a hungry glance at jelly |
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| 09:59.45 | dsockwell | willemb: proxmox is pretty good |
| 10:00.37 | dsockwell | willemb: i'm working on installing eucalyptus right now and it seems like decent software, except i can't get the thing to work |
| 10:01.07 | willemb | dsockwell: I tried ubuntu 's private cloud stuff about 2 months ago and I was very dissapointed. |
| 10:01.17 | dsockwell | same thing |
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| 10:01.27 | willemb | dsockwell: problem with proxmox is that it wants to install a custom kernel. |
| 10:01.39 | dsockwell | the openvz kernel? |
| 10:01.40 | dsockwell | don't let it |
| 10:01.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | martync, /usr/share/locale/*/LC_MESSAGES/*.mo should be a+r, too |
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| 10:02.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | martync, and you're sure /bin/bash is a+rx now? |
| 10:02.15 | martync | yes, thank you, that is what I am checking |
| 10:02.15 | willemb | dsockwell: what is the openvz kernel supposed to be for? |
| 10:02.45 | dsockwell | willemb: openvz is a containerization engine, like virtualization but more lightweight and fewer features |
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| 10:03.35 | dsockwell | what didn't you like about UEC? |
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| 10:06.16 | martync | those files are correct : http://friendpaste.com/3kgvO7ysSIpJzToMh09HKA |
| 10:06.40 | martync | and bin/bash = -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 700492 mai 12 2008 /bin/bash |
| 10:07.23 | willemb | dsockwell: so I should be able to use the proxmox frontend with kvm in stead of with openvz? |
| 10:07.29 | willemb | and stick with the debian kernel |
| 10:07.52 | dsockwell | i gave up proxmox for hypervm, which afaik doesn't do kvm |
| 10:07.59 | dsockwell | but in theory, yes |
| 10:08.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | martync, and all files here should at least show read permission for everyone, too ls -Ll $(ldd /bin/bash |sed 'sx[^/]*xx;s/(.*//') |
| 10:08.39 | martync | and /usr/share/locale/fr_FR.UTF-8 does not exist |
| 10:09.42 | martync | everything ok : http://friendpaste.com/2VCNxYWcNddjnODrZWR0vJ |
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| 10:11.19 | dsockwell | willemb: really, i've gotten eucalyptus to be pretty sweet in the past. it doesn't have many bells and whistles, but it adheres to the EC2 specification and so the bells and whistles come from existing management interfaces |
| 10:12.29 | martync | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:12.41 | martync | s/ton/to |
| 10:12.47 | falldown | ugh...webmin...caldera flashbacks...feeling nauseous... |
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| 10:14.00 | willemb | dsockwell: I think our requirements are a little different from what EC2 is for. Our machines need to be like real ones. Our customers what them for years on end, and their sites don't scale to multiple instances |
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| 10:15.42 | martync | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:16.21 | martync | I can compare with another debian 5 and I get the same output |
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| 10:21.32 | urna | martync: all that mess after just editing sudoers? sounds weird |
| 10:21.49 | themill | martync: do a similar check for /bin/su. Also check "stat /bin/su; file /bin/su; lsattr /bin/bash /bin/su"" |
| 10:21.50 | dsockwell | willemb: ah, that's not exactly disappointing, but i see how it's inappropriate. |
| 10:22.14 | dsockwell | willemb: have you looked into xen? |
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| 10:26.16 | martync | themill: http://friendpaste.com/1pdeATZsXxj0J6xFTLxME6 |
| 10:27.15 | martync | urna: yes but sudoers must be edited with visudo |
| 10:27.58 | themill | martync: I can't see anything of any consequence there. |
| 10:28.07 | urna | martync: yes indeed, but I can't see how editing sudoers would impact your permissions on /bin/bash like it was earlier, or your inability to login as we speak. There must've been something other than editing sudoers. |
| 10:28.44 | themill | something like a chmod command gone very wrong... as we've already seen from /bin/bash |
| 10:29.07 | urna | perhaps you should post your $HISTORY to pastebin for us to figure out :) |
| 10:30.48 | martync | urna: I am searching chmod and else on bash_hoistory |
| 10:31.09 | urna | martync: I saw you have a grsec kernel, did you enable rbac? |
| 10:31.29 | martync | urna: I don't know what rbac is about |
| 10:31.49 | martync | I am seeing a chmod 640 / |
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| 10:31.57 | urna | oh my |
| 10:32.09 | themill | *sob* |
| 10:32.12 | dsockwell | red-baron standing by |
| 10:32.30 | martync | I going to kill all the chan with heart-attack |
| 10:33.02 | dsockwell | that's some heart attack, normally it only kills you |
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| 10:33.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | dsockwell, perhaps from laughing too hard... |
| 10:33.40 | martync | hey ! |
| 10:34.03 | martync | Maybe I typed too quick, no intention to chmod / |
| 10:34.26 | urna | martync: happens sometimes, like rm -fr */ becoming rm -fr * / |
| 10:34.36 | martync | :) |
| 10:34.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | if you run that you deserve to suffer |
| 10:34.54 | oliva | Hi there I have modified a package source code, but I don't think that modifications can be of general interest. Every time I perform a system upgrade I find the original version installed even if the same version number is installed. Anybody knows why is this happening? |
| 10:35.06 | urna | martync: I don't know if there is a quick way to recover your permissions, if not you'd better reinstall to save yourself and ourselves some time |
| 10:35.31 | martync | it is just a chmod, no chmod -R |
| 10:35.39 | themill | oliva: you need to have a different version string for your package; /msg dpkg package recompile |
| 10:35.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | so how did you manage to change /bin/bash then by chmoding /? |
| 10:36.09 | dsockwell | reinstallation is probably the way to go, sounds like you done broke it good before even just now |
| 10:36.09 | urna | martync: that's one of the chmod, it doesn't explain why /bin/bash had different permissions like CutMeOwnThroat just pointed out |
| 10:36.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | and there is a quick way to restore all permissions... it's called backups |
| 10:36.11 | martync | but I don't know what are the default / rights |
| 10:36.18 | martync | urna tru |
| 10:36.20 | martync | e |
| 10:36.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | chmod a+rx / |
| 10:37.02 | martync | CutMeOwnThroat: thank you |
| 10:37.08 | dsockwell | martync: i'm fond of using virtualbox to instantiate throwaway machines |
| 10:37.12 | dsockwell | then i don't feel bad about breaking those |
| 10:37.41 | oliva | themill: but why does it get replaced if it is the same version? |
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| 10:38.39 | themill | oliva: the currently installed package has a pin priority of 100; the mirror has a pin priority of 500 (by default). So apt detected that the wrong package is installed (using md5sums) and corrects that situation. |
| 10:38.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | oliva, because the packages on the repository have precedence over local ones and it's compared if they match |
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| 10:39.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | although I've more than once doubted the wisdom of having it behave that way |
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| 10:39.53 | oliva | so I need to increase version number? |
| 10:39.58 | martync | I don't understand why I have this : chmod 440 /etc/sudoers stat /bin/bash |
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| 10:40.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | oliva, right.. or at least patchlevel |
| 10:40.53 | themill | oliva: yes. Add +olivia1 to the end of the current version string. If you have to recompile it again, change that to +olivia2 etc. |
| 10:41.16 | themill | err... without the extra "i". You know what I mean... |
| 10:41.29 | oliva | :D |
| 10:41.33 | oliva | thanks :) |
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| 10:47.49 | oliva | thank you all |
| 10:48.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm, so what's causing "no signal" on the monitor for the consoles _after_ the graphical interface was loaded |
| 10:49.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | that should be with the vesa driver, although I'm not sure because of all that auto-configuring |
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| 11:03.52 | martync | Thank you everybody, I fell a bit ashame and don't understand how those commands were typed |
| 11:04.17 | urna | martync: you fixed everything? |
| 11:04.17 | martync | s/fell/feel |
| 11:04.45 | martync | yes, that "chmod /" was THE problem |
| 11:04.51 | urna | good |
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| 11:14.32 | dsockwell | martync: experience is proportional to the amount of equipment ruined. think nothing of it. |
| 11:14.48 | dsockwell | i wrecked six boxes today |
| 11:15.18 | martync | yes, today I learned a lot :) |
| 11:15.21 | falldown | dsockwell: as long as the building's still standing...it's a lesson learned :) |
| 11:16.11 | dsockwell | they were lab boxes anyway |
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| 11:20.30 | wonderwal | his given that testing has been frozen, is it now ok to run it in production ? |
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| 11:23.30 | falldown | wonderwal: depends on the application...and how much you value your job... |
| 11:23.57 | wonderwal | falldown: mysql, and quite a lot |
| 11:24.17 | falldown | that said, debian testing can be fairly stable compared to other distribution |
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| 11:25.43 | falldown | wonderwal: by application, I meant...if it fails, are human lives at stake? The company, or more importantly, payroll checks? :) |
| 11:26.23 | wonderwal | debian stable+ squeeze kernel.. ok? |
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| 11:26.58 | eshat | how is dvb-t support on debian ? |
| 11:26.58 | wonderwal | the lenny kernel (2.6.26) has a driver missing which 2.6.32 has |
| 11:26.59 | falldown | or is the application non-critical, such as an exec's system that just needs to look pretty? |
| 11:27.16 | wonderwal | falldown: very critical app :P |
| 11:28.51 | falldown | truth is, the only way to know is to run it through your own tests and see how it performs, or what gotchas you might be facing...and skim the bug reports for show stoppers |
| 11:29.10 | at0m | eshat: you may want to check on ivtv (and maybe mythtv) for supported hardware |
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| 11:29.45 | eshat | at0m: thanks, I will |
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| 11:33.16 | themill | wonderwal: there's no security support for squeeze yet. I'd say that keeps it being ready for production use ofr a while |
| 11:33.30 | wonderwal | i'll use stable with backports kernel! |
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| 11:35.12 | Altreus | Hey. I'm looking for a howto on installing Debian from an existing debian system, for situations where eg. you can't find a working CD drive so you've mounted your hard disk via a USB adaptor to your laptop, because I always forget a step and screw it up |
| 11:35.23 | Altreus | Not really sure what to search for so any ideas? |
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| 11:35.38 | Altreus | I searched for debootstrap but it's a pretty generic search term |
| 11:35.53 | mrfree | hi all using live-build I noticed this error msg: "binary.sh: line 5: isohybrid: command not found" any idea? |
| 11:35.54 | themill | ,info debootstrap |
| 11:35.55 | judd | Package debootstrap (admin, extra) in lenny/i386: Bootstrap a basic Debian system. Version: 1.0.10lenny1; Size: 50.9k; Installed: 260k |
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| 11:36.26 | themill | Altreus: it's not a generic term -- it's a specific program (and package) |
| 11:36.27 | at0m | Altreus: http://wiki.debian.org/BootUsb |
| 11:36.32 | Altreus | themill: I debootstrapped but it wouldn't boot, obviously... no kernel, no bootloader. What did I forget? -_- |
| 11:36.47 | themill | Altreus: you forgot to install the kernel and bootloader. |
| 11:36.49 | Altreus | themill: sure, what I meant was, lots of people mention it in lots of different ways |
| 11:37.01 | Altreus | themill: I tried to install the kernel from a chroot but it just threw up loads of errors |
| 11:37.20 | Altreus | I'm not really used to this sort of thing because not having a CD drive isn't a problem I tend to have |
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| 11:38.42 | Altreus | working floppy drives are even less common than working CD drives :( |
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| 11:39.13 | dsockwell | is pxe an option? |
| 11:39.37 | dsockwell | just call the image fairy |
| 11:40.11 | Altreus | It could be if I knew the network setup, but the same person I will be asking will be bringing a working CD drive anyway |
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| 11:46.36 | Altreus | what is the purpose of --second-stage? In what situation would I want only the first stage? |
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| 11:46.45 | Altreus | Should I, in fact, run this? |
| 11:47.38 | Altreus | none of the howtos or examples mention it |
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| 11:53.28 | Altreus | I'd forgotten to mount proc in the chroot -_- |
| 11:53.58 | themill | you probably also need /dev; /msg dpkg fixgrub |
| 11:55.21 | Altreus | awesome, thanks :) |
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| 11:55.28 | Altreus | That's exactly what I was just googling about |
| 11:56.46 | chicom9 | hello everyone a bit of help... so my users cannot change their passwords... they get an error message that says passwd: Authentication token lock busy |
| 11:56.46 | chicom9 | passwd: password unchanged |
| 11:56.46 | chicom9 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:57.31 | qq- | Altreus, http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
| 11:57.56 | Altreus | qq-: yeah I found that page. The manpage has more info |
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| 12:04.15 | Crissi | hello. i have some problems running freeradius python module under lenny. i tried 2.1.8 from backports and 2.1.9 rebuilded from squeeze source but i got always: rlm_python:EXCEPT:<type 'exceptions.ImportError'>: /usr/lib/python2.5/lib-dynload/time.so: undefined symbol: PyExc_ValueError |
| 12:04.33 | Crissi | it seems there is a bug in the freeradius package |
| 12:07.20 | Altreus | Thanks for the pointers guys. I got it booting ^_^ |
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| 12:08.02 | sdschulze | Crissi: so file a bug report? |
| 12:08.17 | Crissi | maybe |
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| 12:15.15 | mmanuels | hi guys |
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| 12:16.43 | themill | Crissi: what version of python is this with? The output of "apt-cache policy python; python --version" would be handy. Also, where is this python freeradius module from? |
| 12:16.47 | manuelss | hi |
| 12:17.03 | Crissi | python2.5 |
| 12:17.25 | manuelss | does anybody know how to recompile a kernel module of the current kernel? (it is not listed in the module-assistant) |
| 12:17.26 | Crissi | 2.5.2-3 |
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| 12:20.08 | Crissi | the rlm_python module is from freeradius 2.1.8 |
| 12:21.18 | themill | Crissi: is there a 2-line working example that you can give me to try this out? (use a pastebin if necessary) |
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| 12:23.10 | Crissi | yes, simply enable the rlm python module and set in conf a python script with methods, the src/modules/rlm_python/radiusd_test.py would be fine |
| 12:23.25 | Crissi | if you start with freeradius -X ist fails |
| 12:23.29 | Crissi | (foreground) |
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| 12:23.49 | eshat | is it possible to start xbiff from console so that is visible on all gnome workspaces ? |
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| 12:28.25 | jelly | eshat: you can use devilspie to modify some properties of X app windows, including the pinning to all workspaces |
| 12:28.27 | gypsymauro | hi, I installed gnash plugin on squeeze but youtube doesn't works, I deleted all cookies but still doesn't load video, any hint? |
| 12:28.48 | Crissi | themill: i tried also with 2.1.9 but no success too. so this seems wrong (not fixed in 2.1.9): http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=416266 |
| 12:29.01 | jelly | eshat: I'm not sure if gnome itself provides that functionality nowadays. KDE 4 does |
| 12:29.15 | eshat | jelly: thanks, I ll try it |
| 12:31.39 | jelly | eshat: its syntax is a bit peculiar, there're some links in /msg dpkg devilspie |
| 12:34.42 | greenmang0_ | which package provides unixsock.pm? |
| 12:34.47 | greenmang0_ | !unixsock.pm |
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| 12:35.53 | themill | greenmang0_: nothing. /msg dpkg apt-file |
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| 12:35.59 | themill | Crissi: eek |
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| 12:42.20 | greenmang0_ | themill: does debian.org provide any link where i can search contents of package |
| 12:42.32 | greenmang0_ | themill: like packages.debian.org or something |
| 12:42.38 | themill | greenmang0_: packages.debian.org does |
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| 12:43.12 | greenmang0_ | themill: oops... yes :) |
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| 12:49.36 | chicom9 | so my permission for my shadow file are root utmp 21905 Oct 3 01:48 /etc/shadow i beileve thats why i get the error Authentication token lock busy |
| 12:50.51 | themill | Crissi: I can't reproduce this crash for you. |
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| 12:51.29 | Crissi | themill: are you on lenny? |
| 12:51.32 | chicom9 | yes |
| 12:51.34 | chicom9 | im on lenny |
| 12:51.37 | chicom9 | i can try |
| 12:51.41 | chicom9 | chaning |
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| 12:51.49 | chicom9 | it back to root:shadow |
| 12:51.53 | themill | Crissi: yeah, that was lenny+lenny-backports for freeradius |
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| 12:54.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:54.46 | dsockwell | granted |
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| 12:59.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | (reading backlog as I had asked something myself... and _will_ read answers even if they came later than I cared to directly wait for) |
| 13:00.18 | Crissi | themill: did you set the script in /etc/freeradius/modules/python |
| 13:01.02 | Crissi | and in the script do a 'import time' |
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| 13:01.48 | themill | Crissi: it's ages since I played with freeradius so I probably screwed that up -- I took the python section out of experimental.conf and stuck it in there. http://paste.debian.net/93204/ |
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| 13:03.17 | Crissi | in the script do a 'import time' |
| 13:03.23 | Crissi | that should fail |
| 13:03.27 | Crissi | then to load |
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| 13:04.23 | Crissi | also enable python in authenticate |
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| 13:07.56 | kwork | hello, debian squeezy, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesnot bring up any configuration interface, any ideas where to begin debuging? |
| 13:08.06 | korsakof | Hi! |
| 13:08.07 | korsakof | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:08.21 | abrotman | ethtool will help |
| 13:08.27 | abrotman | or could help |
| 13:08.39 | kwork | mac address should help |
| 13:08.51 | kwork | it should have vendor bit in it |
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| 13:09.36 | abrotman | kwork: it's not supposed to bring up a config .. lenny didn't either .. what are you trying to fix? |
| 13:10.35 | kwork | abrotman i would like to set video resolutions |
| 13:10.46 | abrotman | does it not detect your max correctly? |
| 13:11.07 | kwork | abrotman no, it starts with some "random" resolution most likely some derivate from my fb settings |
| 13:11.43 | abrotman | did you try using xrandr to change your resolution ? |
| 13:11.55 | kwork | no, will give it a try |
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| 13:13.22 | kwork | abrotman sadly with current resolution i cant even see the "run" box |
| 13:13.38 | abrotman | kwork: what isy our video card? |
| 13:13.51 | kwork | abrotman gt240 |
| 13:13.57 | kwork | nvidia that is |
| 13:14.01 | abrotman | sounds older? |
| 13:14.10 | abrotman | did you install the nvidia binary crap drivers? |
| 13:14.22 | kwork | havent installed any drivers yet, wanted to get it working with nv first |
| 13:14.42 | kwork | its quite new actualy |
| 13:14.49 | abrotman | it might not support it .. from `lspci -nn | gre VGA` .. what is the xxxx:xxxx at the end of the line ? |
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| 13:15.15 | kwork | 10de:0ca3 |
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| 13:15.42 | kwork | abrotman does xorg use fb settings as reference? |
| 13:15.54 | arosen1 | Hello, I;m trying to setup mdadm. I've selected the type for both hard drives to be fd (linux raid autodetect). and have ran mdadm --create command. After that should I then partition the /dev/md1 device that I made? |
| 13:16.07 | abrotman | judd: xorg 10de:0ca3 |
| 13:16.09 | judd | Device 10de:0ca3 is not matched by any xorg drivers in lenny or sid. |
| 13:16.16 | abrotman | kwork: that doesn't seem promising |
| 13:16.27 | kwork | :( |
| 13:16.28 | themill | abrotman: you were going to give me updated data for that! |
| 13:16.39 | abrotman | oh, it's outdated now? |
| 13:16.49 | themill | abrotman: nothing past lenny. |
| 13:16.59 | abrotman | oh .. didn't know that |
| 13:17.15 | kwork | abrotman so i should be looking towards nvidia binary driver? |
| 13:17.16 | abrotman | is getting slow in his old age |
| 13:17.32 | abrotman | kwork: try to install the nvidia binary drivers, /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 13:17.50 | kwork | abrotman okey thanks, ill give it a try |
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| 13:21.44 | ElDeablo | Bom dia! |
| 13:22.06 | abrotman | good day! |
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| 13:26.56 | innociv | How do I have an sh script just show errors, or stop on errors? It's making so many lines in ssh, I can't scroll back enough to see the problem. |
| 13:27.44 | abrotman | you could use "script" to record all the output in a file |
| 13:28.07 | themill | innociv: "set -u; set -e" can be a good plan |
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| 13:29.14 | ttiicc | Im currently running debian 5 with 'linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64' and I would like to run it on 'linux-image-2.6.18-6-amd64' instead. how would I be able to downgrade the package? |
| 13:30.24 | themill | ttiicc: do you have a particular predeliction for old kernels with known vulnerabilities? |
| 13:30.27 | innociv | How do I use those options? Not "sh file.sh -ue" or "sh file.sh set-u; set-e;"? |
| 13:30.34 | ttiicc | another question is the default hold operation: dpkg --get-selections > selections.txt : edit the text file and the: dpkg --set-selections < selections.txt? |
| 13:31.02 | innociv | er options before file |
| 13:31.06 | abrotman | ttiicc: why would you want that old kernel? |
| 13:31.10 | themill | innociv: sticking them at the top of the script (just after the shebang line) |
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| 13:32.06 | ttiicc | ohh sorry I don't want it |
| 13:32.14 | innociv | looks like the same long output with that |
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| 13:33.09 | ttiicc | is it normal to set 'linux-image-2.6.18-2-amd64' on hold before/after upgrading to 'linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64' |
| 13:33.11 | ttiicc | ? |
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| 13:33.43 | themill | innociv: that should cause the script to exit at the first error |
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| 13:35.08 | innociv | well there is no shebang line |
| 13:35.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | kwork, and to answer your original question... there's no xorg.conf anymore in squeeze, everything is supposed to autodetect everything - do you know if this is really the "nv" driver, or the generic vesa one? |
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| 13:36.38 | thomasxie | 大家好ï¼ææ¥å¸®å¤§å®¶æ®åä¸æï¼D |
| 13:36.45 | abrotman | you don't say ... |
| 13:37.41 | thomasxie | abrotman,what |
| 13:38.08 | innociv | how do i send the output to a file? |
| 13:38.15 | jelly | !cn |
| 13:38.15 | dpkg | cn is probably China, or for help in chinese please join irc.oftc.net #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读 |
| 13:38.17 | ttiicc | if I want to put a package in hold there are three ways to do it with. I'm using 'get selections' and 'set selections'. How would you guys with litlle more experience do it? |
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| 13:39.01 | thomasxie | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:39.19 | jelly | thomasxie: different irc network, connect to irc.oftc.net |
| 13:39.43 | kwork | abrotman thanks again, its working with binary drivers |
| 13:39.48 | thomasxie | jelly, thank you |
| 13:40.05 | abrotman | kwork: enjoy |
| 13:40.54 | innociv | http://linux.about.com/library/cmd/blcmdl1_sh.htm I don't really see any options that help me. :/ |
| 13:41.29 | innociv | I'm trying to run an sh file and get the entire log to a file that I can read outside of shell, or have it stop on errors. I can't see ap roblem since there are so many lines returned. |
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| 13:43.29 | ttiicc | innociv: pipe it like this; yourCommand.sh>output.txt and then cat output.txt|grep ERROR |
| 13:43.34 | ttiicc | that should do it |
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| 13:44.34 | themill | or use "script" as abrotman suggested |
| 13:45.36 | abrotman | i said that! |
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| 13:51.43 | TheAvatar | Hello - OpenSSL question: http://pastebin.com/z0r6fary - why does the hash value differ depending on OS? And is it possible to find a hash that works for *all* OS? |
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| 14:01.22 | joshteam | doesn't http://packages.debian.org/sid/nodejs mean that I should be able to do apt-get install nodejs ? |
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| 14:03.04 | themill | joshteam: why do you say that? |
| 14:03.35 | joshteam | themill: I thought Package: nodejs |
| 14:03.38 | joshteam | meant that's the name? |
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| 14:04.49 | themill | joshteam: are you running sid? and does your architecture match the ones for which the package is available (listed at the bottom) |
| 14:05.30 | joshteam | themill: http://pastie.org/1198444 |
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| 14:06.31 | CodeNinja | has anyone ran into netdev watchdog errors? at sch_generic.c:267 2.6.32 bpo, openvz and 2.6.26, tried a different nic, still same issues, a bit more info when it happens though http://docs.chriswalker.devnetonline.net/watchdog3.log |
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| 14:06.58 | abrotman | joshteam: that doesn't answer his questions |
| 14:07.20 | stew | joshteam: that package isn't available for the current release of debian (codename: lenny) |
| 14:07.20 | abrotman | joshteam: what architecture is your computer? and what version of debian are you running ? |
| 14:07.36 | themill | joshteam: what version of debian are you running? And what architecture? |
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| 14:08.59 | joshteam | lenny.. and, im not sure architecture :/ |
| 14:09.02 | joshteam | sorry |
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| 14:09.34 | themill | joshteam: "dpkg --print-architecture"; but if you're running lenny, then no that package is not available. |
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| 14:10.23 | themill | joshteam: You'll see at the top of that page and in the URL you posted that you are viewing the package information for the "sid" distribution which is the developer playground. And no, you can't mix packages from sid into your lenny system. |
| 14:10.32 | stew | joshteam: this package wasn't uploaded to debian until long after lenny was already released |
| 14:10.39 | joshteam | i see |
| 14:10.41 | joshteam | makes sense |
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| 14:12.22 | themill | (and that version seems to rely on a lot of things that are not in lenny at all, so no, you couldn't just recompile it for lenny) |
| 14:13.15 | joshteam | themill: I appreciate the help.. I'm going to try and hunt down a walk-through of Node.js on lenny |
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| 14:19.38 | leshak | hey! how can i know package name of the an command.. for example.. the command mail ... how can i know the package name of command mail? |
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| 14:20.15 | niklaswe | leshak: dpkg -S /path/to/mail/command |
| 14:20.44 | stew | leshak: if the package isn't yet installed, use "apt-file search bin/mail" : "/msg dpkg apt-file" will describe it |
| 14:21.12 | themill | or for the specific case of /usr/bin/mail, you'll need "dpkg -S $(readlink -f /usr/bin/mail)" |
| 14:21.31 | stew | oh, is that an alternative now? |
| 14:22.06 | themill | yeah |
| 14:22.34 | leshak | thx! it works! |
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| 14:31.04 | karlpinc | is still looking for an alternative to munpack (mpack), because it seems dead dead dead upstream. It's a handy mail/mime unpacker that can be run without user interaction. |
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| 14:31.50 | Ironhand | Can anyone suggest a "safe" upgrade path for a Lenny server originally installed when the Broadcom NetXtremeII interfaces weren't supported (bnx2 driver), to using the now |
| 14:31.56 | Ironhand | oops, early enter |
| 14:32.06 | Ironhand | Can anyone suggest a "safe" upgrade path for a Lenny server originally installed when the Broadcom NetXtremeII interfaces weren't supported (bnx2 driver), to using the now-working bnx2 driver in Lenny? |
| 14:32.35 | Ironhand | "safe" meaning I can be sure I won't lock myself out of the server on reboot... |
| 14:33.11 | jpinx-eeepc | do it in a chroot? |
| 14:33.30 | Ironhand | how would that help? it's a kernel-space issue mostly... |
| 14:33.44 | karlpinc | Ironhand: Yeah. Setup a reboot at job so it'll reboot no matter what. And use's grub's "boot this once but something else later feature". |
| 14:33.51 | jpinx-eeepc | ah - then no |
| 14:34.23 | karlpinc | Ironhand: Not exact great for uptime, but works. |
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| 14:34.52 | abrotman | Ironhand: wouldn't it be a different kernel version? |
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| 14:35.36 | Ironhand | karlpinc: sounds good as a fallback measure, but is there any "correct" way for performing the actual upgrade? I know that when I installed a server with the same interfaces more recently, I had to provide the non-free firmware package on a USB stick for it to work... I did install the same package through aptitude on this server, should that be enough? |
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| 14:36.21 | karlpinc | Ironhand: I'm not clueful enough. Perhaps someone else knows. |
| 14:36.55 | Ironhand | abrotman: different from what? both are 2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 kernels, just the debian package version number differs |
| 14:37.10 | karlpinc | Ironhand: I suspect it will "just work", but that's a guess not having worked with non-free firmware much. |
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| 14:38.43 | Ironhand | I guess I can't do much more than have a recovery plan and keep fingers crossed... |
| 14:39.17 | abrotman | and it's remote right? :) |
| 14:39.53 | Ironhand | yup, secure datacentre that I can't enter without a lot of fuss |
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| 14:46.46 | chicom9 | hi everyone need some help users a getting a passwd: Authentication token lock busy ... not allowing them to change the password... |
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| 14:49.32 | oye | chicom9 could you phrase more coherently your problem, please? |
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| 14:53.49 | chicom9 | root is able to change user password; but any regular user is not allowed... they get the error of .."token lock busy" |
| 14:54.21 | chicom9 | now from my findings it looks like it could be a Pam issue... |
| 14:55.02 | chicom9 | i have searched google but no dice. the fs is mounted as rw |
| 14:56.57 | chicom9 | whats intriguing is that ls -ls shadow shows that shadow belongs to a group called utmp ... other debian working systems have shadow to be part of the shadow group..is that right? |
| 14:57.07 | falldown | is away: Stealing candy from children... |
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| 14:57.57 | Rug | Howdy all |
| 14:59.12 | Ironhand | regarding my question about the bnx2 driver a few moments ago, I notice that on the "older" server the initrd does *not* contain the bnx2 firmware (despite the kernel having been upgraded while the bnx2-firmware package was installed), while the more newly installed server does have the firmware in its initrd... the only significant difference between the two servers is that the older is running a -xen-amd64 kernel while the newer is running a -amd64 kernel |
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| 14:59.21 | abrotman | !tell falldown about away |
| 14:59.30 | Ironhand | is this reason for concern or is there an explanation for the difference? |
| 15:00.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | chicom9, sounds to me like the file is in use by root somehow... is there a long pause before you get that error? |
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| 15:00.45 | chicom9 | yeah a little pause |
| 15:01.07 | chicom9 | strace shows open("/etc/.pwd.lock", O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_CLOEXEC, 0600) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied) |
| 15:01.28 | abrotman | as root? |
| 15:01.51 | chicom9 | regular user... |
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| 15:02.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, I get a very long pause |
| 15:02.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | how does the user change the password? |
| 15:03.04 | chicom9 | just typing passwd |
| 15:03.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | check if it's suid root |
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| 15:03.32 | wysiwtf | woa, even crowdier |
| 15:03.37 | wysiwtf | hello :) |
| 15:04.12 | wysiwtf | my cron keeps sending me mails with this |
| 15:04.14 | wysiwtf | PHP Warning: PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php5/20090626+lfs/IcePHP.so' - /usr/lib/php5/20090626+lfs/IcePHP.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory in Unknown on line 0 |
| 15:04.34 | wysiwtf | my guess is it happened after the last php update via apt-get (unstable repo) |
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| 15:04.44 | wysiwtf | is this something known or did i fuck up? |
| 15:04.46 | chicom9 | u mean to the /usr/bin/passwd |
| 15:05.10 | chicom9 | yeah -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 39104 Dec 5 2009 /usr/bin/passwd |
| 15:05.14 | themill | wysiwtf: I presume you have php-zeroc-ice installed |
| 15:06.05 | wysiwtf | dpkg sais so |
| 15:06.05 | dpkg | wysiwtf: i don't know |
| 15:06.11 | wysiwtf | lol |
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| 15:08.34 | wysiwtf | ah i reinstalled it and now the libs are there |
| 15:08.48 | wysiwtf | themill: thx for giving me the package name :) |
| 15:09.05 | ttiicc | I just installed openLDAP on my debian conf and I got the rootdn out commented and there weren't any rootpw in the slapd.conf Does anyone know why debian configures LDAP with these default configuration? |
| 15:09.10 | knolls | so i'm trying to learn things and i got frustrated from my user not being able to access files and i su "chown -R myuser /*" |
| 15:09.17 | wysiwtf | have fun people |
| 15:09.20 | themill | wysiwtf: apt-file is your friend |
| 15:09.20 | knolls | should i reinstall, i think i ruined everything |
| 15:09.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, that's weird, though - why is it Dec 5 2009... mine is from November and it's the most current version that is in the repo |
| 15:09.45 | wysiwtf | themill: never used it but i will check it out |
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| 15:10.13 | chicom9 | hm more interesting.. |
| 15:10.51 | chicom9 | uname -ra 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Thu Sep 16 15:56:38 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 15:14.58 | istevenmon | good morning everyone |
| 15:15.05 | zoobab | there is a dpkg command to generate an entry in debian/changelog |
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| 15:15.12 | zoobab | do you know which one it is? |
| 15:15.20 | zoobab | I cannot find the name of the tool again |
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| 15:15.57 | themill | zoobab: dch (devscripts package) |
| 15:17.08 | istevenmon | anyone here has used uCARP ? |
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| 15:18.21 | koollman | istevenmon: I'm using it |
| 15:18.47 | istevenmon | koollman: awesome, i wanted to know if uCARP is able to do arp load balancing like CARP in OpenBSD? |
| 15:18.59 | chicom9 | no dice... |
| 15:19.18 | istevenmon | no dice quq? |
| 15:19.46 | koollman | istevenmon: no load balancing, just failover (or rather, not like openbsd) |
| 15:20.28 | istevenmon | :( thats what i thought, i read the openbsd documentation and there were some kernel calls, hoped it would be soported by ucarp |
| 15:20.37 | thomasxie | http://www.tudou.com/playlist/playindex.do?lid=10364320&iid=60548667&cid=29 |
| 15:22.35 | koollman | istevenmon: the typical way to load balance with ucarp (or other carp-like mechanism) is to use a vIP for a loadbalancer |
| 15:23.03 | koollman | openbsd carp load-balancing is down at the arp level, and is ... rather unpredictable, on most networks I know |
| 15:23.35 | istevenmon | yea it is not 50/50 but its something |
| 15:23.39 | istevenmon | hehehe |
| 15:23.53 | koollman | sometimes, it's not even 'something' ;) |
| 15:24.26 | koollman | in particular if the switches are 'smart' (and not directly reconfigurable by you), it may be 'nothing' |
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| 15:24.59 | istevenmon | hmmm... |
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| 15:26.07 | koollman | (can be seen as 'arp flapping') |
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| 15:26.56 | discordianfish | hi |
| 15:29.23 | discordianfish | i don't get this initramfs-tools stuff.. i try to set NEED_PERSISTENT_NET=yes for including the udev rules for persistent net device names (need this, because i need network in initrd) so i put NEED_PERSISTENT_NET=yes in /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/net |
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| 15:30.17 | discordianfish | but after running update-initramfs -uv it says: |
| 15:30.23 | discordianfish | Adding binary /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/net |
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| 15:30.42 | discordianfish | and 'adding binary' is not what i want, i guess.. at least the hook script does not include the udev rule.. |
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| 15:45.36 | istevenmon | koollman: i wonder what would happen if i have arp balance enabled and each router is connected to a different ISP |
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| 15:47.19 | Rug | what should I be using now instead of /etc/init.d/service start/stop/restart ? |
| 15:47.44 | alanp | service n |
| 15:48.15 | Rug | alanp: ? so for example: service networking restart ? |
| 15:48.22 | alanp | yes |
| 15:48.22 | themill | Rug: invoke-rc.d service action |
| 15:48.30 | alanp | themill: o? |
| 15:48.32 | alanp | my bad |
| 15:48.58 | Rug | themill: that looks so cumbersome... looks like a lame copy of red-hat |
| 15:49.11 | themill | eh? |
| 15:49.47 | Rug | will service always be the same as the 'filename' in /etc/init.d ? |
| 15:49.55 | themill | yes |
| 15:50.16 | Rug | Do you know when/why the change? |
| 15:50.27 | themill | !invoke-rc.d |
| 15:50.27 | dpkg | invoke-rc.d is probably a way of starting or stopping daemons such as a mail server, cron, etc. invoke-rc.d has advantages over running the init script directly in that it is easier to tab complete, it will play nicely with dependency-based init systems like <insserv> and <upstart>. It can also be controlled with a <policy-rc.d> script. invoke-rc.d *must* be used in maintainer scripts -- see policy s9.3.3.2. |
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| 15:51.08 | discordianfish | so now one has a clue how initramfs-tool works? is it wrong to put vars in conf.d/foo? |
| 15:51.43 | Rug | themill: thanks. it will take a long time to get used to that one though.. =) |
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| 15:52.38 | themill | Rug: there's nothing stopping you using /etc/init.d, but you'll find it doesn't tab complete nearly as easily... the policy-rc.d mechanism is very nice too, although somewhat under-utilised. |
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| 15:53.19 | Rug | themill: /etc/init.d was giving me a warning message, so I thought I better find out |
| 15:53.27 | themill | it was? |
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| 15:53.54 | Rug | yeah |
| 15:54.23 | Rug | ... <warning> this method is deprecieated .... etc. |
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| 15:54.36 | themill | the exact command and the exact text would be handy |
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| 15:54.49 | Rug | themill: yeah, one sec.. |
| 15:55.28 | optraz | hello, is it possible for texinfo to generate .doc document? |
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| 15:58.19 | optraz | hi, can texinfo generate .doc document? |
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| 15:59.09 | sdschulze | optraz: probably not very directly |
| 15:59.12 | cahoot | as in MS word? |
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| 16:01.04 | gp5st1 | can i use usb->rs232 cable to act as a serial port during boot? alsoâ¦.could i use just usb cable to act as serial ports between computers, so that i can export a console to another computer via the usb cable but like you would with a serial cable on older computers? |
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| 16:02.37 | sdschulze | gp5st1: use in what way during boot? |
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| 16:02.56 | sdschulze | for a console? |
| 16:03.19 | ksk | hello guys |
| 16:03.34 | gp5st1 | sdschulze: yes, as a console. i know grub can do it with a normal serial port as can the kernel, but i've never done it with a usb adapter or just over usb |
| 16:03.59 | ksk | i just upgrade a host to squeeze and now the munin:df plugin shows only some strange values - is this only me or a known bug/feature? |
| 16:04.05 | sdschulze | So the computer that you want to boot only has USB? |
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| 16:04.26 | optraz | hi, can texinfo generate .doc document? |
| 16:04.28 | gp5st1 | sdschulze: yes, and i can't find rs232 cards for it |
| 16:04.41 | gp5st1 | optraz: do you mean ms word documents? |
| 16:04.58 | optraz | yes unfortunately microsft word document, but it can be odt as well. |
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| 16:06.22 | optraz | as far as i know from texinfo documenation, it can't generate .doc . |
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| 16:07.38 | gp5st1 | optraz: http://johnmacfarlane.net/pandoc/ maybe? a little searching found it. it might do what you need |
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| 16:08.04 | gp5st1 | or be part of a tookchain:-\ |
| 16:08.53 | gp5st1 | .info->html->odt->doc |
| 16:09.15 | optraz | yea, sounds like a good path. |
| 16:10.26 | optraz | nice, it is in the debian repository :) |
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| 16:10.55 | gp5st1 | i'm pretty sure you can script openoffice to do conersions from teh cmd line |
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| 16:11.27 | themill | it tends to fail in all sorts of interesting ways when you use it like that though |
| 16:11.34 | optraz | i see, ok, then probably we can make it better using Makefile. |
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| 16:14.15 | tomikor | hi all! |
| 16:14.53 | tomikor | there are some problems making a package of python code, that have autogen.sh install ? |
| 16:15.03 | tomikor | when I use the lintian |
| 16:15.27 | tomikor | there are a lot of pyc and pyo files in the package, and I want to erase that stuffs |
| 16:15.28 | tomikor | :) |
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| 16:15.55 | optraz | thank you gp5st1 |
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| 16:33.13 | acu | I am trying to install Kolab (Cyrus IMAP postfix etc) and almost at the end I get SSLCertificateFile: file 'etc/kolab/cert.pem' does not exist or is empty ----- any hints ? |
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| 16:34.11 | gp5st1 | acu: maybe /etc/kolab/cert.pem is missing or empty? |
| 16:34.21 | junkY_San | hey, i'm trying to setup a exim4 to relay mails via annother smarthost. i used dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config and put my auth settings in the passwd.client file, but i get following error: http://pastie.org/1198700 |
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| 16:34.41 | kombucha_ | How can I tell which TTY I am running X on, from inside my X session? |
| 16:34.43 | acu | gp5st1, how can I generate it (of course I can do a touch - but that does not cut it ) |
| 16:35.23 | sdschulze | kombucha: "who"? |
| 16:35.29 | gp5st1 | scu: find out what kind of cert it needs. then look up if openssl can create it? |
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| 16:36.15 | gp5st1 | anyone know if i can "fake" the kernel into thinking a usb port is a serial port? |
| 16:37.27 | rozie | gp5st1: what for? |
| 16:37.52 | gp5st1 | rozie: i want to use it to export a serial console so that i can access it on another computer |
| 16:37.52 | jhutchins_lt | gp5st1: Someone claimed to have done it here recently, but I'm skeptical. At boot level the USB drivers necessary to run a usb-to-serial adapter wouldn't be present. |
| 16:37.54 | ttyS1 | Hello I just tried to download my emails but Evolution is giving me the error: Cannot get folder 'inbox&apos:: Value too large for defined data type. the inbox. My inbox file is larger than 2 GB |
| 16:38.30 | rozie | there are USB connectors which are seen as TTY |
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| 16:38.58 | gp5st1 | jhutchins_lt: i'm told grub can do it, and if there is a part of the kernel load where i'm in the dark, that's ok (not ideal, but ok) |
| 16:39.02 | rozie | gp5st1: can you use smth like /dev/USBtty...? |
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| 16:39.11 | gp5st1 | i know, i was just wondering if i needed them |
| 16:39.40 | gp5st1 | rozie: i honestly don't know. i'm getting ready to experiment and just seeing |
| 16:41.16 | jhutchins_lt | gp5st1: I believe the person I chatted with was just using ttyS0 |
| 16:41.43 | gp5st1 | thanks |
| 16:41.48 | gp5st1 | i'll give that a shot |
| 16:41.54 | jhutchins_lt | Last time I looked into it it required a $300 card. |
| 16:42.01 | jhutchins_lt | (It's been a while) |
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| 16:43.06 | micols | gp5st1: you need a serial to usb chip , like pl2303 |
| 16:43.13 | micols | and load the pl2303 module i.e. |
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| 16:44.07 | micols | if you strip a nokia datacable, many of them have pl2303 in them - so easy to use for own projects |
| 16:44.08 | ruyo | How can I make gnome keyring not ask for password every time I login to connect to the wireless lan? |
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| 16:48.36 | discordianfish | looks like some piece of code which just dont work anymore.. |
| 16:49.17 | gp5st1 | jhutchins_lt: rozie: so yeah there is a big flaw in my planâ¦i don't have usb-a male to usb a male cable:-p |
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| 16:50.57 | jhutchins_lt | gp5st1: I suggest search terms such as "serial console usb" - find out how it's been done successfully and buy the right hardware instead of buying random hardware and trying to make it work. |
| 16:50.58 | deepy | I have a load average of 10.00, 9.62, 8.44 and it's just increasing |
| 16:51.21 | deepy | most of my applications have hung and top shows nothing using anything but with a 97.5% id |
| 16:51.47 | gp5st1 | jhutchins_lt: well, I know i can do usb->rs232 and my endpoint has 6 rs232 ports on it |
| 16:51.51 | deepy | I'm still waiting for a few ls to return results or die, none of ^Z ^D or ^C did anything and I can't kill them either |
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| 16:55.55 | discordianfish | there is a check for an outside set variablen in the udev hook, but you can't set it in a config because only some vars are exported to the hook scripts.. don't really get that |
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| 17:04.17 | jhutchins_lt | deepy: I'll vote for a failing hard drive. |
| 17:04.20 | rs_ | hi, when I run update-grub it sets my drive to (hd1,0) and sdb1 for root... but it's actually hd(0,0) and sda.. the reason for this I assume is that I installed from usb which was sda at the time of installation... what file do I need to update to make it recognize the first drive as hd(0,0) and sda? |
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| 17:04.34 | ramo102 | Hi all |
| 17:04.37 | deepy | Any way to tell for certain? |
| 17:04.49 | ramo102 | how to import pictures from my canon a530? |
| 17:05.15 | jhutchins_lt | deepy: I would be able to tell by listening to the drive. Don't think there's a good software method except maybe iostat. |
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| 17:05.17 | ramo102 | the device is listed in in my libgphoto2.rules files under /etc/udev |
| 17:05.31 | deepy | It's an ssd |
| 17:05.35 | jhutchins_lt | deepy: If that is the case, you should be prepared for imminent complete failure of the drive. |
| 17:05.46 | deepy | also I don't have iostat |
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| 17:05.54 | theseb | any home broadband options have 5Mbit/sec in both directions? e.g. anyone have home fiber optic? |
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| 17:07.11 | jhutchins_lt | rs_: Are you also asking on oftc under a different nic? |
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| 17:08.15 | gp5st1 | how early in the boot seq does the kernel load the usb driver? |
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| 17:09.08 | deepy | sdb 0.56 13.63 5.58 910820 372872 |
| 17:09.12 | deepy | that's bad isn't it? |
| 17:09.26 | rs_ | jhutchins_lt: might be a different nick.. but yes |
| 17:09.41 | rs_ | without the underscore yes.. |
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| 17:10.09 | stew | deepy: it sounds like you probably have a lot of processes in the D state which are waiting on IO with a device which has gone away |
| 17:10.20 | deepy | rs_: I had the same problem, but it only manifested during installation. afterwards it was fine |
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| 17:10.46 | deepy | stew: yes, I have several incarnations of ls that hung |
| 17:10.50 | sdschulze | deepy: Have you tried a reboot?! |
| 17:11.11 | deepy | it's not the first time it's happened |
| 17:11.20 | sdschulze | checked syslog? |
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| 17:11.35 | deepy | Yup, call trace regarding fuse and applications hanging |
| 17:11.38 | rs_ | deepy: I'm post installation... I don't want to keep an usb stick in my machine just to be able to boot it |
| 17:11.42 | deepy | and [ 6440.304065] CE: hpet increasing min_delta_ns to 15000 nsec |
| 17:12.08 | claint | gp5st1: you could find out yourself probably, man init, and travel the /etc/rc?.d directories. |
| 17:12.10 | deepy | rs_: why not correct grub and try again then? |
| 17:12.49 | deepy | as long as you have the usb stick you can mount the harddrive and fix things if they go wrong |
| 17:13.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | rs_, decide if you want to ask here or there, then... wherever, minimum information would include what version of grub it is... |
| 17:13.14 | gp5st1 | claint: the usb drivers aren't services |
| 17:13.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | i.e. grub or grub2 |
| 17:13.22 | sdschulze | deepy: fuse problems? |
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| 17:13.52 | claint | gp5st1: oh, I misunderstood your question, sorry. |
| 17:13.58 | rs_ | deepy: that's what I want to know.. where to correct grub? |
| 17:14.05 | rs_ | ad it's 0.97 |
| 17:14.32 | deepy | sdschulze: in a moment I can give you a pastebin link |
| 17:14.51 | deepy | rs_: I've been told that manually editing menu.lst is wrong so I can't tell you for sure |
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| 17:15.16 | stew | deepy: is it hung in the D state? what exactly was the command? |
| 17:15.35 | deepy | ls |
| 17:15.47 | deepy | and I don't know what the D state is |
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| 17:15.53 | sdschulze | sounds like a file system problem |
| 17:15.54 | karlpinc | rs_: You can edit menu.lst, but you need to read the instructions in the comments or else your changes will go away. |
| 17:16.00 | stew | deepy: D is uninterruptable sleep. its usually waiting on IO to complete |
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| 17:16.12 | stew | deepy: the entire command was "ls" not "ls -l" or anything? |
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| 17:16.31 | deepy | ls --color=auto |
| 17:16.38 | sdschulze | stew: Does that change anything? |
| 17:16.47 | karlpinc | rs_: See also /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz |
| 17:16.48 | deepy | http://pastebin.com/wa0QqXD4 - call trace for fuse |
| 17:16.53 | sdschulze | deepy: In what directory are you doing ls? |
| 17:17.02 | stew | sdschulze: does what? |
| 17:17.15 | deepy | //home/deepy |
| 17:17.24 | sdschulze | stew: the -l |
| 17:17.25 | deepy | well /home/deepy |
| 17:17.39 | sdschulze | deepy: Is that managed by fuse? |
| 17:17.48 | deepy | nope, but /home/deepy/remote is |
| 17:18.08 | sdschulze | So maybe your fuse it broken? |
| 17:18.17 | stew | sdschulze: i don't think -l would, but I think others could |
| 17:18.32 | deepy | That is entirely possible, but last time this happened I did not have fuse |
| 17:18.41 | deepy | and I'd still like to kill the applications waiting |
| 17:18.52 | stew | deepy: you can't if they are in the D state |
| 17:19.09 | sdschulze | If you can't kill them, this usually means something is really broken. |
| 17:19.23 | helo | did you try silver? |
| 17:19.31 | sdschulze | driver issues or something like that |
| 17:19.41 | deepy | That's feels somewhat useless |
| 17:19.57 | stew | this is not uncommon with remote filesystems that have gone away |
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| 17:20.34 | deepy | and that's probaly the cause too, but isn't remote filesystems just a ticking timebomb if D state means invincibility? |
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| 17:20.56 | stew | deepy: what do you mean by "ticking timebomb"? |
| 17:21.03 | jelly-hme | deepy: if your apps are indeed hung on a fuse-based fs, killing the process managing that mount point (say, sshfs and ssh in case of sshfs) will unstuck the processes trying to access it |
| 17:21.04 | stew | deepy: is this remote mount currently mounted? |
| 17:21.19 | deepy | Nope, I unmounted it |
| 17:21.47 | deepy | yep, forcing the death of sshfs resolved this |
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| 17:22.20 | deepy | That's one out of three mysterys solved, thanks! |
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| 17:23.15 | deepy | is iceweasel a really really slow browser? if not then I'd like help finding the bottleneck on my computer :P |
| 17:23.31 | sdschulze | deepy: depends on the number of tabs open |
| 17:23.40 | sdschulze | And you should restart it every now and then. |
| 17:23.43 | deepy | it takes 2 seconds to open a new tab in an empty session |
| 17:23.57 | sdschulze | because it has really bad memory fragmentation issues |
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| 17:24.37 | sdschulze | deepy: How full is your RAM? |
| 17:24.51 | sdschulze | and what's your hardware like? |
| 17:24.54 | karlpinc | deepy: Can you prove it's the browser by trying another (links?) and seeing if it's slow too. |
| 17:24.57 | deepy | according to top. 782252k used, 242804k free |
| 17:25.02 | jelly-hme | sdschulze: "it's blue" |
| 17:25.09 | deepy | karlpinc: it is painfully slow |
| 17:25.34 | deepy | I have an eeepc 901 so I'm not on "high-end" hardware |
| 17:25.43 | sdschulze | deepy: Does it put load on your processor when starting? |
| 17:25.48 | sdschulze | or is it a time-out? |
| 17:25.59 | stew | deepy: start "vmstat 1", then open a new tab, ignoring the first line of vmstat, see if the si,so numbers are ever non-zero while doing stuff with iceweasel |
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| 17:26.49 | deepy | oh snap, looked at swap |
| 17:27.26 | deepy | and I only see si, so under swap |
| 17:27.47 | sdschulze | how much? |
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| 17:27.58 | deepy | 0 under swap |
| 17:28.03 | sdschulze | ok |
| 17:28.06 | stew | deepy: if si is non-zero while doing somehting in iceweasel, it means that likely iceweasel is slow to do stuff because it is partially swapped out |
| 17:28.24 | stew | deepy: si and so are always 0? |
| 17:28.26 | deepy | I have an atom diamondville clocked at 1.6GHz |
| 17:28.27 | deepy | yes |
| 17:28.34 | ttyS1 | My inbox file on evolution is too large (more than 2GB) and evolution wont read it. how can I make it smaller ? |
| 17:28.50 | sdschulze | deepy: I have a slower processor and it's not 2 seconds here. |
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| 17:29.10 | sdschulze | deepy: What's CPU usage when opening a new tab? |
| 17:29.24 | stew | deepy: when you open an new tab, do you get a blank page or something else? |
| 17:29.48 | deepy | 6 higher than before |
| 17:29.50 | deepy | I get a blank page |
| 17:29.52 | karlpinc | ttyS1: That depends on how the mail is stored. If it's one big file you can usually just split it into two pieces on a mail boundry. |
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| 17:30.10 | karlpinc | ttyS1: But I know nothing about evolution and where it expects mail to be. |
| 17:30.13 | sdschulze | deepy: and in absolute values? |
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| 17:30.17 | deepy | 7 |
| 17:30.40 | sdschulze | deepy: Hm, weird. |
| 17:30.43 | karlpinc | deepy: And if you use another browser is it slow too? |
| 17:30.53 | sdschulze | deepy: Is it always that slow or only sometimes? |
| 17:31.08 | deepy | it's always sluggish and it's horrendously slow quite a lot |
| 17:31.18 | deepy | opera is slow too, iceape is almost unusable |
| 17:31.21 | sdschulze | One frequent gotcha: |
| 17:31.34 | sdschulze | Do you have your own host name in /etc/hosts? |
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| 17:31.44 | sdschulze | If not, you have quite a lot of timeouts. |
| 17:31.51 | deepy | 127.0.0.1 illusionist |
| 17:32.00 | karlpinc | deepy: How about something like "links"? (Yes, could be a dns problem.) |
| 17:32.06 | sdschulze | What load average does "uptime" report? |
| 17:32.21 | sdschulze | I'm not sure if 127.0.0.1 is correct. |
| 17:32.21 | deepy | load average: 0.43, 1.61, 5.31 |
| 17:32.26 | deepy | but that's with all 3 browsers |
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| 17:32.35 | sdschulze | Try: |
| 17:32.56 | sdschulze | 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomainlocalhost |
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| 17:33.05 | sdschulze | 127.0.1.1 <your host name> |
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| 17:33.35 | deepy | actually, my bad. I seem to have misread |
| 17:33.49 | deepy | and I'm forgetting that I can copy&paste with X :P |
| 17:33.50 | deepy | 127.0.0.1 localhost |
| 17:33.50 | deepy | 127.0.1.1 illusionist |
| 17:34.04 | sdschulze | That looks rather correct. |
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| 17:34.39 | sdschulze | So put some load on the system (by opening some tabs) and call "uptime" again. |
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| 17:34.57 | sdschulze | 5.31 is quite a lot, 0.43 isn't. |
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| 17:35.38 | stew | 5.31 is because he had processes in the D state less than 10 minutes before gathering those stats |
| 17:35.44 | sdschulze | oh, right |
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| 17:36.02 | deepy | after opening 3 tabs I can no longer scroll |
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| 17:36.12 | sdschulze | And what does "uptime" say? |
| 17:36.18 | deepy | 0.60, 0.97, 4.20 |
| 17:36.35 | sdschulze | hm, mysterious |
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| 17:38.03 | sdschulze | smells -- broken |
| 17:38.28 | deepy | restoring many tabs ended up with this result in top |
| 17:38.28 | deepy | 17596 deepy 20 0 469m 116m 27m R 42 11.7 1:17.12 firefox-bin |
| 17:39.10 | deepy | and if I tab back to iceweasel it takes a second or two before the window appears to respond again |
| 17:40.20 | sdschulze | and really no remarkable swapping? |
| 17:40.33 | sdschulze | or disk activity |
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| 17:40.43 | deepy | no swap |
| 17:40.45 | sdschulze | (You can try "dstat".) |
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| 17:40.55 | deepy | I don't have dstat :p |
| 17:41.05 | sdschulze | Do you have the GNOME system monitor? |
| 17:41.07 | sdschulze | it's handy |
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| 17:41.31 | deepy | I'm using xfce |
| 17:41.54 | sdschulze | Can you install dstat? |
| 17:42.15 | deepy | I'm doing that right now :-) |
| 17:42.19 | sdschulze | I don't have experience with SSDs, I'm afraid. |
| 17:42.30 | jelly-hme | atop is also nice |
| 17:42.35 | deepy | btw, should most of the computer be unusable while installing stuff? |
| 17:42.39 | sdschulze | On HDDs, you can hear if it's swapping. |
| 17:42.45 | sdschulze | deepy: no :) |
| 17:42.56 | jelly-hme | deepy: no, and the music shouldn't skip |
| 17:43.03 | deepy | Whenever I install something with aptitude or apt-get I can in general only use irssi |
| 17:43.16 | sdschulze | I have a VIA C7, which is probably slower than any Intel Atom. |
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| 17:43.33 | sdschulze | deepy: Is the processor clock OK? |
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| 17:43.43 | sdschulze | (cat /proc/cpuinfo) |
| 17:43.54 | sdschulze | And have you rebooted since the fuse failure? |
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| 17:44.10 | deepy | dstat paused while iceweasel loaded a tab :P |
| 17:44.16 | deepy | nope, have not rebooted since the fuse failure |
| 17:44.38 | sdschulze | Try a clean reboot and don't mount any network FSs, fuse, or anything. |
| 17:44.43 | jelly-hme | deepy: hm, xfce and 1GB ram ought to be usable. care to run top, press M (capital M) and pastebin the results |
| 17:45.13 | jelly-hme | deepy: (a list of processes ordered by RESident memory usage) |
| 17:45.13 | sdschulze | more than usable :) |
| 17:45.44 | jelly-hme | sdschulze: 512MB wasn't really usable for me. |
| 17:45.54 | sdschulze | Heh, I didn't know M -- I always pressed F n. :) |
| 17:46.08 | sdschulze | jelly-hme: depends on what you're doing |
| 17:46.14 | deepy | can I pause top? |
| 17:46.19 | jelly-hme | deepy: no need to |
| 17:46.32 | deepy | I can't mark it else |
| 17:46.43 | sdschulze | press "r" or something |
| 17:46.53 | jelly-hme | deepy: ctrl-s |
| 17:47.23 | sdschulze | OK, jelly-hme is cleary more l33t than me. :) |
| 17:47.48 | jelly-hme | deepy: (you can mark it, and it still gets selected, it's just that the selection isn't visible after contents change) |
| 17:47.51 | deepy | http://pastebin.com/GZk6kybw |
| 17:47.55 | sdschulze | jelly: If all you want to do is C hacking, 192 MB are perfectly OK. |
| 17:48.00 | jelly-hme | deepy: ctrl-q to unpause the output |
| 17:48.06 | deepy | nifty |
| 17:48.14 | jelly-hme | sdschulze: I ran xfce and firefox and xchat and terminals |
| 17:48.26 | sdschulze | OK, firefok is quite hungry. |
| 17:48.47 | sdschulze | Though I wouldn't blame firefox but today's web developers. |
| 17:49.08 | deepy | and no, I couldn't copy the selection after the contents changed :( |
| 17:49.08 | jhutchins_lt | Mozilla's code has never been accused of being tight. |
| 17:49.25 | sdschulze | In the good old times... |
| 17:49.27 | jelly-hme | deepy: wth is pyscrabb[le] and why is it using 100M ram :-) |
| 17:49.43 | deepy | I'm personally wondering why it's running in the background :P |
| 17:49.46 | sdschulze | You had plain HTML pages that a Pentium I could render perfectly. |
| 17:49.46 | deepy | but it's a game of scrabble |
| 17:50.04 | sdschulze | And when you want to embed a video, why not just put a link to the video?! |
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| 17:50.32 | jelly-hme | deepy: nothing jumps out in the output. You're not using swap, and there's some breathing room |
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| 17:51.18 | sdschulze | and load average is remarkably low |
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| 17:51.40 | deepy | it gets higher when I use opera :P |
| 17:51.43 | sdschulze | For me, < 2 is rare. :) |
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| 17:51.51 | sdschulze | deepy: more than 2? |
| 17:51.55 | jelly-hme | deepy: if you have it enabled, disable compositing in xfce settings manager -> window manager tweaks, it just makes the UI less reponsive |
| 17:52.10 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
| 17:52.23 | sdschulze | deepy: What clock does /proc/cpuinfo report? |
| 17:52.35 | sdschulze | (maybe some power management out of control?) |
| 17:52.39 | deepy | compoiting is turned off |
| 17:52.55 | Strogg | rejoices his successful packagenation |
| 17:53.02 | deepy | cpu MHz: 1600.165 |
| 17:53.08 | sdschulze | hm, looks OK |
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| 17:53.11 | Strogg | I have a packagetized software! |
| 17:53.16 | sdschulze | and BogoMIPS? |
| 17:53.33 | deepy | bogomips: 3200.33 |
| 17:53.34 | jelly-hme | deepy: don't run that scrabble thing or dropbox at all times if you don't use them |
| 17:53.37 | deepy | and bogomips: 3199.98 |
| 17:53.50 | jelly-hme | start as needed |
| 17:53.57 | deepy | I use dropbox all the time and I've now told scrabble to not auto-start |
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| 17:54.18 | sdschulze | Python makes things slower, but not *that* slow. |
| 17:54.26 | sdschulze | esp. when your RAM is not full |
| 17:54.32 | sdschulze | Have you rebooted meanwhile? |
| 17:54.39 | jelly-hme | sdschulze: it ate 130MB ram for a fucking scrabble game |
| 17:54.58 | sdschulze | jelly-hme: unsurprising for Python |
| 17:55.12 | sdschulze | less than Java would... |
| 17:55.24 | deepy | I'm going to reboot now |
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| 17:55.42 | jelly-hme | deepy: I used xfce, firefox and opera, and ended up filling the laptop up to 2GB RAM, that made a huge difference |
| 17:55.46 | sdschulze | Java eats > 200MB for a stupid chat window. |
| 17:56.08 | jelly-hme | that's what's running right now |
| 17:56.08 | deepy | jelly-hme: did you have issues with ipv6 + opera? |
| 17:56.17 | jelly-hme | deepy: I don't do ipv6 yet |
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| 17:56.42 | deepy | neither do I, but it comes by default and opera apparently slows down if you got ipv6 addies on any interface |
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| 17:56.52 | sdschulze | jelly-hme: Shall I boot my Pentium II @ 300 MHz with 192 MB RAM? :) It runs GNOME. |
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| 17:57.20 | deepy | I have a load average of 1.68 with opera running |
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| 17:57.24 | jelly-hme | sdschulze: you can do whatever you want with your time |
| 17:57.34 | jelly-hme | deepy: that's almost 2 |
| 17:58.00 | sdschulze | Big question: is the SSD slower than an average hard disk? |
| 17:58.04 | deepy | well I'm gonna reboot now, brb |
| 17:58.04 | jelly-hme | deepy: load average is irrelevant |
| 17:58.10 | jelly-hme | sdschulze: if it's cheap, sure |
| 17:58.12 | jhutchins_lt | deepy: ipv6 is definitely not a performance enhancement. There are a lot of potential problems including DNS issues. |
| 17:58.53 | kwork | jhutchins_lt what dns issues? |
| 17:59.13 | jelly-hme | sdschulze: eg. my netbook, a first gen. Acer Aspire One has a horribly slow 1.8" SSD, todays usb sticks are 2-3 times as fast |
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| 17:59.27 | sdschulze | jelly-hme: ouch |
| 17:59.34 | jhutchins_lt | Looking for ipv6 dns replies causing long timeouts, dns problems returning ipv6 addresses when no ipv6 route exists. |
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| 17:59.52 | jelly-hme | sdschulze: sustained read 10MB/s, write 1-2MB/s |
| 17:59.58 | kwork | jhutchins_lt dont we already have these problems? |
| 18:00.10 | natefoo | hello all. is there no way to set settings in debconf and then apply those settings after the package is installed? |
| 18:00.12 | jelly-hme | sdschulze: do NOT make it swap out |
| 18:00.32 | kwork | jhutchins_lt since v6 is in kernel rather then module, i have been expiriencing these issues :P |
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| 18:00.40 | jelly-hme | !noipv6 |
| 18:00.41 | dpkg | [noipv6] To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny: echo install ipv6 /bin/true >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for this change to take effect). From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader. |
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| 18:00.48 | sdschulze | considers permanently turning JavaScript off. |
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| 18:01.05 | deepa | and back |
| 18:01.05 | kwork | jelly-hme oeh nice thanks, didnot even know i could disable it without rebuilding my kernel |
| 18:01.18 | karlpinc | sdschulze: Use the noscript plugin. |
| 18:01.51 | deepa | opera uses 29% CPU and 20% mem, yay |
| 18:02.09 | sdschulze | deepa: It's not that much. |
| 18:02.09 | jelly-hme | deepa: disable plugins by default |
| 18:02.26 | jelly-hme | deepa: also, animated images and sound |
| 18:02.31 | sdschulze | But unresponsiveness is unlikely to be caused by the CPU. |
| 18:02.46 | jelly-hme | unresponsiveness is a hard problem to tackle |
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| 18:03.09 | jelly-hme | many a kernel hacker has spent their time on it |
| 18:03.09 | sdschulze | Yes, but it's usually caused by the HDD. |
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| 18:03.43 | deepa | lucky me then, I'm not swapping :P |
| 18:03.47 | queso | When I am in aptitude, it says there are 153 "packages to remove because they are no longer used" and 110 "packages to delete due to unsatisfied dependancies". But this is inaccurate; as far as I can tell, these are packages I use all the time and work just fine. When I use apt-get for updates/upgrades, I get no notifications of these packages. But right now I can't use aptitude for updates/upgrades because it wants to remove gob |
| 18:04.35 | sdschulze | queso: In the main menu, press = on everything and start over. |
| 18:04.57 | stew | sdschulze: in the menu? |
| 18:05.02 | jelly-hme | deepa: I'd consider trying out a custom kernel with the ck patchset |
| 18:05.09 | stew | sdschulze: you want him to put packages on hold? why not unmarkauto? |
| 18:05.15 | deepa | ck patchset? |
| 18:05.29 | sdschulze | stew: He borked it, apparently. |
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| 18:05.57 | sdschulze | stew: He can still start an upgrade afterwards. |
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| 18:06.28 | sdschulze | jelly-hme: What is that supposed to do? |
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| 18:06.56 | stew | sdschulze: but why would he put packages on hold? |
| 18:06.58 | skidtest | /Wii tiamo |
| 18:07.16 | sdschulze | deepa: Is it better now? And is syslog clean? |
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| 18:07.20 | bofh80 | Hey people. Just installed Squeeze. Everythings cool except the nvidia-xen kernel. Which requires the unstable nvidia drivers. Looks like they've been in unstable of over 10 days, anyone know if they are making it testing? i'd rather not have to compile my own nvidia under xen |
| 18:07.32 | sdschulze | stew: He probably tried to remove a package or something like that. |
| 18:07.41 | sdschulze | stew: What would you suggest? |
| 18:07.43 | jelly-hme | !ck |
| 18:07.44 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ck is Con Kolivas kernel patchset aimed at improving desktop interactivity; http://ck-hack.blogspot.com/, patches at http://kernel.kolivas.org/ IRC: #ck on irc.oftc.net |
| 18:07.45 | stew | sdschulze: unmarkauto |
| 18:08.30 | stew | sdschulze: hold could prevent them from being upgraded in the future |
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| 18:08.50 | deepa | sdschulze: syslog is clean and I can't find the extreme slowness I'ev experience before |
| 18:08.58 | queso | sdschulze, stew: I don't understand how I borked anything. |
| 18:09.26 | sdschulze | jelly-hme: I kinda doubt that helps. |
| 18:09.28 | deepa | Thanks for the help and I'll return when slowness does! |
| 18:09.32 | deepa | and I'll look up ck |
| 18:09.34 | queso | sdschulze, stew: If I put them on hold, they won't be upgraded later? Can't I have aptitude fix what's wrong but adding what's necessary, instead of removing? |
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| 18:09.50 | sdschulze | jelly-hme: His problem is not huge load. |
| 18:10.02 | jelly-hme | sdschulze: it helped quite a lot in its previous incarnation, up to 2.6.22-ck1 |
| 18:10.15 | stew | queso: when aptitude installs packages, it marks ones which were installed to satisfy dependencies so that they can be removed when no longer needed. you probably subsequently removed some packages using some other tool, and aptitude doesn't know what you want |
| 18:10.20 | jelly-hme | sdschulze: I haven't tested the current patches |
| 18:10.44 | stew | queso: mark the ones you want to keep as manually installed with "m" in aptitude or with "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" from the command line |
| 18:11.03 | sdschulze | stew: But where do the "packages to delete due to unsatisfied dependancies" come from? |
| 18:11.06 | queso | stew: There are like 300 packages |
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| 18:11.53 | sdschulze | I always abuse "hold" for that. |
| 18:12.17 | queso | (I should note I'm using Ubuntu; maybe something they've done breaks aptitude. I normally use apt-get or 'Update Manager' to install updates.) |
| 18:12.30 | stew | queso: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
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| 18:13.11 | queso | stew: it's not the same packaging software? |
| 18:13.11 | sdschulze | Ubuntu breaks a lot of things, yes... |
| 18:13.47 | abrotman | queso: we cannot answer if it's the same, we don't use ubuntu |
| 18:14.03 | queso | Alright, thanks |
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| 18:14.13 | sdschulze | What I would do is press "=" just with "packages to delete due to unsatisfied dependancies" under the cursor. |
| 18:14.18 | sdschulze | too late... |
| 18:14.32 | stew | sdschulze: i would hit + to install them, there is no point in putting them on hold |
| 18:14.49 | sdschulze | stew: That's what I would do afterwards. |
| 18:15.04 | sdschulze | after going back to a clean state |
| 18:15.20 | stew | sdschulze: why bother putting them on hold? |
| 18:15.44 | sdschulze | to figure out if the problem is with the current state or with the upgrade |
| 18:16.01 | sdschulze | There's probably more than one way to do it. |
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| 18:16.31 | stew | i don't even know what that means |
| 18:16.41 | stew | or how putting packages on hold helps |
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| 18:17.49 | sdschulze | nvm |
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| 18:18.42 | sdschulze | bofh80: Why not? Get the source package and do dpkg-buildpackage. |
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| 18:21.10 | not_david | how can i unzip every archive in a directory all at once? |
| 18:21.14 | osfd | Hi there. Do you know a tool that can inspect your drive and tell if you have big files |
| 18:21.26 | stew | not_david: unzip \*.zip |
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| 18:21.50 | stew | osfd: look at the -size option in man find |
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| 18:21.55 | not_david | steffen-: thank you. it was the '\' that kept getting me it would appear |
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| 18:22.22 | not_david | stew: opps! |
| 18:22.38 | sdschulze | du -ax / | sort -r -n >/var/cache/sizes |
| 18:22.44 | sdschulze | (seriously) |
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| 18:22.56 | sdschulze | This is in my cron.daily. |
| 18:22.57 | stew | not_david: if you have a directory with a.zip and b.zip, and you run "unzip *.zip" your shell whill replace *.zip with a.zip b.zip and run "unzip a.zip b.zip" which tells unzip "extract b.zip from a.zip" |
| 18:23.12 | osfd | and how to force sfdisk all drive on next start ? |
| 18:23.34 | bofh80 | sdschulze, will that follow all the same debian rules that they maintainers used to build it? There are 'quirks' with Xen and Nvidia when compiling manually. You can end up with working X but blank console (tty). |
| 18:24.13 | sdschulze | bofh80: That's the way the buildd builds it, AFAIK. |
| 18:24.32 | sdschulze | osfd: sfdisk? |
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| 18:25.47 | sdschulze | osfd: you mean fsck? |
| 18:25.56 | tote | is it possible to setup luks on individual disks before a mdadm raid? do you get any performance advantages from that? |
| 18:25.59 | osfd | sdschulze: I mean whatever is the thing that check my disk every once and a while |
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| 18:26.23 | abrotman | osfd: touch /forcefsck |
| 18:27.05 | osfd | abrotman: thank |
| 18:27.31 | sdschulze | (I'd be surprised if you wanted to partition your disk on boot-up.) |
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| 18:43.26 | CarlFK | i think imagemagick uses librsvg for svg rendering. how can I confirm that? |
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| 18:46.22 | dondelelcaro | CarlFK: that's what it links to, so that's what it should be using |
| 18:46.58 | CarlFK | dondelelcaro: thanks. how did you figure out what it links to? |
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| 18:49.10 | dondelelcaro | CarlFK: ldd or apt-cache show libmagick10 |
| 18:50.22 | CarlFK | dondelelcaro: cool. I figured there was a way to do that without having to apt-get source |
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| 18:51.18 | dondelelcaro | (though if you're running unstable, it's libmagickcore3-extra that you need to look at) |
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| 19:00.00 | bofh80 | my sources applet is a bit screwed cos i changed it from Custom. Now i can't enabled updates or proposed updates. if someone hasn't screwed with their Sources list for Squeese could they pastebin for me? |
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| 19:00.32 | abrotman | bofh80: /usr/share/apt/examples/ ? |
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| 19:00.52 | iman | how can i download linux command references? |
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| 19:02.00 | AimHere | Well the detailed reference for your linux commands will mostly be in the 'man pages' which will likely be already installed |
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| 19:03.12 | iman | AimHere, i want to donwload it like debian-references |
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| 19:03.31 | iman | AimHere, to search into document |
| 19:03.54 | bofh80 | not there abrotman :( . I wonder why it says Custom and i can't put it back. :( . |
| 19:04.03 | abrotman | i don't knokw what "Custom" means |
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| 19:04.44 | bofh80 | abrotman, When you choose Software Sources or Repositories in Synaptic - THe Server drop down box at the bottom said Custom. Fresh install of squeese from daily netinst |
| 19:05.22 | bofh80 | Where you would normally choose Main Server or United Kingdom etc. But when i changed it all the tick boxes greyed out. |
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| 19:05.53 | bofh80 | i put the entry back in the for US server, (which is seems that custom was, US for Squeeze i guess). but the checkboxes stay greyed out |
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| 19:06.24 | bofh80 | i suppose i could just the manual entries in for Updates and Proposed to end of the line in sources.list . sigh. have to look that up now lol |
| 19:06.25 | karlpinc | iman: "aptitude install debian-reference" ?? |
| 19:06.52 | karlpinc | iman: (Although I don't know why you'd want all the languages.) |
| 19:06.53 | dutchfish | iman: http://tldp.org/LDP/GNU-Linux-Tools-Summary/GNU-Linux-Tools-Summary.pdf |
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| 19:07.18 | karlpinc | iman: You can also enable the non-free repo to get more of the gnu info documentation. |
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| 19:09.32 | iman | how can define group member ? which whom command? |
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| 19:14.15 | iman | i found it gpasswd -M |
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| 19:17.34 | g0rd0n | i am trying to resize my mdraid partition... and it seems i did only partially... basically mdraid reports the size is 30G, which is what i wanted to achieve, but the partition on the drive still is about 470G... i followed instructions from here: http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-resize-raid-partitions-shrink-and-grow-software-raid |
| 19:17.52 | g0rd0n | what can i do now to make the partitions as big as the actual mdraid? |
| 19:18.37 | awat | hello - some one have small 5 min to help , and speak polish ? :-o i have small problem with bash script ... i think |
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| 19:21.48 | awat | ari-tczew: alive ? :D |
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| 19:22.17 | ari-tczew | awat: yet yes |
| 19:23.01 | karlpinc | !tell awat about pl |
| 19:23.09 | awat | have you got a 3 min ? on prv |
| 19:23.29 | ari-tczew | awat: welcome |
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| 19:24.45 | bolt | is there an absolutely simplistic web browser in debian? like, which simply displays a webpage (graphically) and has no other features to speak of other than quick startup? |
| 19:25.13 | sdschulze | Use Firefox and disable JavaScript. :) |
| 19:25.38 | bolt | already using firefox. i just want something smaller and faster for that occational irc link and such |
| 19:25.39 | karlpinc | Wasn't there one beginning with a d? |
| 19:25.53 | sdschulze | karlpinc: It got removed. |
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| 19:26.16 | sdschulze | bolt: Chromium *might* be faster. |
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| 19:28.04 | solarswordsman | bolt: You could try epiphany |
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| 19:28.29 | karlpinc | bolt: aptitude search ~Gbrowser |
| 19:28.39 | toad_ | can anyone help me debug my apache virtual hosts config? i have a set of virtual hosts set up, but for some reason it always uses the first one |
| 19:28.39 | karlpinc | bolt: (Once you've installed debtags.) |
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| 19:30.59 | not_david | bolt: dillo is not half bad. but it has poor support for css layouts iirc |
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| 19:31.52 | toad_ | do i need to give a name in the <VirtualHost> directive? |
| 19:32.13 | toad_ | the docs seem to say it should be the same as the NameVirtualHost, but another site i have access to has a name on each ... |
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| 19:33.04 | bolt | debtags is nice :D |
| 19:33.07 | bolt | just found uzbl |
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| 19:41.10 | Bushmills | bolt, links2 - also does graphics |
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| 19:42.19 | Bushmills | there's also netsurf - but that one had a bit of stability issues last time i tried it |
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| 19:47.58 | rahsputin | hi. i have lenny stable, on a Sony Vaio PCG-F808K Laptop. I recently installed 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 kernel, installing i was asked if grub should reconize my HDD with UUID or ??? i chose yes and since then when booting the root directory UUID:xxxxxxxxx is not reconized, and i am prompted to press enter to boot, this works, but i would like to have a flawless boot up |
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| 19:51.37 | remur_030 | hey, I wanted to restore the default of /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 19:52.01 | remur_030 | I didn't find a way to do it so I deleted it in the hope it would be restored |
| 19:52.39 | helo | it wont be restored just by deleting it, and in fact since it has "changed", wont even be restored if you reinstall the responsible package |
| 19:52.53 | remur_030 | helo: yeah I noticed that =) |
| 19:53.15 | abrotman | !tell remur_030 about confmiss |
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| 19:54.29 | remur_030 | abrotman: thanks I figured it would believe it to be on purpose as the package was installed already |
| 19:54.35 | remur_030 | thanks for the confmiss =) |
| 19:54.46 | karlpinc | rahsputin: That sounds solveable, but my brain is full right now.... |
| 19:54.49 | remur_030 | it's back now |
| 19:55.01 | jhutchins_lt | I think the default is essentially empty - everything in mine's commented out. |
| 19:55.13 | rahsputin | karlpinc, :-) goodnews |
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| 19:56.39 | rahsputin | karlpinc, i tried by adding the device path in grub/menu.lst /dev/hda3 .... doing so won't boot at all |
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| 19:57.35 | jhutchins_lt | rahsputin: /dev doesn't exist during grub. |
| 19:58.04 | karlpinc | rahsputin: Ideally you want to use either uuids or disklabels to identify partitions when mounting/finding the root fs/etc. You need to frob grub's config, and perhaps remake your initramfs. |
| 19:59.00 | jhutchins_lt | I think that should be 0,2 |
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| 19:59.38 | rahsputin | karlpinc, what does frob mean? |
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| 20:00.51 | himuraken | Hey group, what is the average size of a Lenny AMD64 install with gnome desktop? |
| 20:00.58 | himuraken | ROughly* |
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| 20:01.34 | jelly-hme | american or european gnome? |
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| 20:02.38 | abrotman | himuraken: depends which gnome metapackage you use |
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| 20:04.14 | jhutchins_lt | Something like 4-6G? |
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| 20:05.16 | himuraken | abrotman, Gotcha, I was just going to go with the "std desktop" option in tasksel. Reason for the question is that I want to put / on something fast and I have a pair of 15K 36GB SAS laying around |
| 20:05.43 | himuraken | Just a workhorse of a home desktop PC. |
| 20:05.53 | f8l | jhutchins_lt: So it grew quite much. Full Debian with Gnome install consumed about 1G on Sarge IIRC. |
| 20:06.01 | abrotman | himuraken: more than enough space |
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| 20:06.32 | himuraken | abrotman, thanks, I figured as much but it never hurts to ask. |
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| 20:08.44 | abrotman | himuraken: i'm thinking 3-4GB if you install the full 'gnome' metapackage .. that doesn't account for stuff like OO.org, but you still have more than enough space |
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| 20:09.04 | aidan | What's the easiest way to install a more up to date version of python-django |
| 20:09.09 | jhutchins_lt | f8l: Actually, looks like I've got 3.3G with a full KDE here. |
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| 20:09.13 | abrotman | aidan: in what? |
| 20:09.17 | karlpinc | rahsputin: Sorry: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Transwiki:Frob (tweak, twiddle, frob, in order of increasing magnitude) |
| 20:09.22 | jhutchins_lt | oo as well. |
| 20:09.44 | himuraken | abrotman, sounds good. I will be running a full gnome install including OOo and others. Drives will be 36GB in RAID1 so I am figuring around 32usable. /home is the hog anyways |
| 20:10.12 | jelly-hme | himuraken: /var and /home are going to take up space over time. a 36GB raid1 mirror should be enough for joint / and /var for home usage (not too much logs) |
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| 20:10.18 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah, I have 3.6G in ~/ |
| 20:10.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, hmm, I still don't understand all of this - also had the problem that the consoles went blank after the graphical interface was started and that also disappeared now that everything is in place |
| 20:10.37 | jelly-hme | himuraken: but those disks are NOISY |
| 20:10.47 | aidan | abrotman: in 5.0.6 |
| 20:10.56 | abrotman | aidan: i really doubt you can |
| 20:11.03 | abrotman | judd: versions python-django |
| 20:11.04 | himuraken | jelly-hme, the box currently has 13 drives in it and I will be taking her down to 7. Should be an improvement |
| 20:11.04 | judd | Package python-django on i386 -- etch: 0.95.1-1etch2; etch-security: 0.95.1-1etch2; etch-backports: 1.0.2-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.0.2-1+lenny2; lenny-security: 1.0.2-1+lenny2; lenny-backports: 1.1.1-1~bpo50+1; sid: 1.2.3-1; squeeze: 1.2.3-1 |
| 20:11.06 | sdschulze | 36 GB?! |
| 20:11.10 | abrotman | !tell aidan about bpo |
| 20:11.21 | sdschulze | 1 TB drives are pretty cheap nowadays. |
| 20:11.31 | abrotman | sdschulze: what's wrong with that? it's more than enough space to install on, especially if /home/ is nfs-mounted |
| 20:11.36 | himuraken | jelly-hme, had actually considered going with 2x60GB SSD but have never tried SSD and dont want to spend the $$$ |
| 20:11.38 | jelly-hme | sdschulze: find me some 1TB drives spinning at 15kRPM |
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| 20:11.48 | jhutchins_lt | CutMeOwnThroat: Sounds like you're running squeeze. |
| 20:11.54 | aidan | neat |
| 20:12.21 | jelly-hme | sdschulze: each old 36GB 15k drive is likely worth about the same $$$ as a 1-1.5TB SATA device |
| 20:12.23 | karlpinc | jelly-hme: (You could by 4 times as many and play the odds on rotational latency. ;-) |
| 20:12.43 | sdschulze | jelly-hme: OK, OK, I just think he shouldn't get a headache about it. |
| 20:13.02 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah, but what's their throughput compared to SATA? |
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| 20:13.26 | jelly-hme | jhutchins_lt: throughput is less important than seek time and random io |
| 20:13.51 | sdschulze | jelly-hme: Installing the base system an a 15kRPM drive seems a bit pointless to me, though. |
| 20:13.54 | jelly-hme | and that's where scsi fast spinning spindles excel |
| 20:14.01 | jhutchins_lt | Well, it depends on what you're doing. |
| 20:14.08 | himuraken | hrmmm. |
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| 20:14.25 | jelly-hme | sure it's only two of them, but still ;-) |
| 20:14.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins_lt, yes... new machine... and as there were even more problems getting the graphics card to run in lenny... |
| 20:14.28 | sdschulze | Better invest in some RAM so it can cache more files. |
| 20:14.41 | jelly-hme | sdschulze: RAM can't read your mind |
| 20:14.48 | himuraken | sdschulze, I have 8GM and cant put more in, mobo limit. |
| 20:14.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins_lt, (solved with the newer xorg, as far as I remember) |
| 20:15.06 | jelly-hme | sdschulze: basically the only thing better is an ssd |
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| 20:15.22 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah, there are a few of the newer cards that need the newer one. |
| 20:15.28 | himuraken | 8x1TB currently for / including home and will be moving /home to a 6x1.5TB array putting / on 36 or 300 15K SAS |
| 20:15.32 | himuraken | raid1 on sas |
| 20:15.42 | sdschulze | himuraken: I just dn't get why you need to install the base system on it? Is it a server or a desktop computer? |
| 20:15.46 | jelly-hme | himuraken: sounds reasonable |
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| 20:15.59 | himuraken | 36gb are handy and 300's are too, but I would rather sell the 300 for cash if the 36GB is plenty for OS |
| 20:16.10 | himuraken | sdschulze, I cant tell the difference, its both. |
| 20:16.24 | himuraken | sdschulze, lets call it a server with X :) |
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| 20:16.52 | himuraken | Err meant 8GB earlier not 8GM |
| 20:16.57 | jelly-hme | /dev/sda5 20619668 11301660 8270572 58% / |
| 20:16.57 | jelly-hme | /dev/sda7 20619636 7162432 12409768 37% /var |
| 20:17.06 | jelly-hme | can't imagine what more to put on it |
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| 20:17.28 | sdschulze | himuraken: ah, OK. I'd use the high-speed drives for databases and other stuff that needs to be written frequently. |
| 20:17.40 | himuraken | Yeah just checked mine, its currently ubuntu (ducks) and it is only 8.5GB |
| 20:17.47 | jelly-hme | there's a few gigs of usenet and http proxy on /var |
| 20:18.08 | jelly-hme | ubuntu \_o< \_o< ? |
| 20:18.14 | himuraken | ducks again |
| 20:18.25 | jelly-hme | didn't know they had those |
| 20:18.26 | himuraken | Twas a POC |
| 20:18.36 | jhutchins_lt | We don't mind if you _run_ Ubuntu, just don't as us to fix it for you. |
| 20:18.39 | sdschulze | himuraken: The base system doesn't need frequent write accesses, so the frequently used files will move to RAM quite quickly. |
| 20:19.03 | sdschulze | runs Ubuntu and regrets it. |
| 20:19.36 | himuraken | jhutchins, no worries, it is running fine, but I am moving back to less fluff etc. While I find Ubuntu great for some things, it has MORE than I want out of the box. |
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| 20:20.21 | himuraken | Hrmm, so now you guys have me questioning whether the 15K's will even be noticed on / |
| 20:20.32 | himuraken | I guess boot and updates ought to fly. |
| 20:20.51 | sdschulze | How often do you reboot? |
| 20:21.18 | himuraken | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:21.24 | sdschulze | And upgrades are (1) downloading (2) unpacking (3) setting up. |
| 20:21.38 | sdschulze | (2) will be accelerated, (1) and (3) won't |
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| 20:21.39 | himuraken | damnit sdschulze stop the logic XD |
| 20:21.54 | himuraken | My uptime is generally 45 days plus so its a non issue. |
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| 20:22.09 | natefoo | is there a way to specify the noninteractive frontend to apt-get without the DEBIAN_FRONTEND env var? it makes using it from within cfengine a real pain. |
| 20:22.13 | jhutchins_lt | Whenever a kernel update comes out... |
| 20:22.19 | himuraken | I have the disks and the hot swap bays so I thought Id find a useful purpose for them since they arent worth selling. |
| 20:22.23 | natefoo | i can't find any apt.conf options or dpkg arguments that would do it. |
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| 20:22.45 | mr_chris | Does anyone know if/when Banshee 1.8 will make it to Debian testing? |
| 20:23.02 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions banshee |
| 20:23.04 | judd | Package banshee on i386 -- etch: 0.11.2+dfsg-1; lenny: 1.0.0-1; sid: 1.6.1-1; squeeze: 1.6.1-1; experimental: 1.8.0-1 |
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| 20:23.22 | sdschulze | himuraken: Sure, there's nothing wrong with using them. I just seemed a bit -- strange to me. |
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| 20:23.28 | stew | mr_chris: not until after squeeze releases |
| 20:23.38 | sdschulze | *It |
| 20:23.40 | jhutchins_lt | mr_chris: squeeze is frozen now. |
| 20:24.09 | mr_chris | I see. I thought that the testing branch was a rolling release. |
| 20:24.45 | jhutchins_lt | mr_chris: Not really, it's sort of like that until it freezes. |
| 20:25.00 | sdschulze | mr_chris: It will probably get into testing as soon as squeeze is released. |
| 20:25.06 | sdschulze | or a bit later |
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| 20:27.27 | g0rd0n | hmmm ok i managed to resize partitions and filesystems, created a new raid with new partitions, but i have problems creating a raid with the shrunken partitions... basically i give this command: mdadm --create /dev/md1 --level=1 --raid-devices=2 /dev/sda3 /dev/sdb3 |
| 20:27.32 | himuraken | Thanks for the input group! |
| 20:27.39 | g0rd0n | but then it complains about sdb3 being busy... even though it is not even mounted! |
| 20:27.45 | Jinko | good night , c ya |
| 20:27.45 | g0rd0n | (the system booted from sda3) |
| 20:28.10 | sdschulze | feels like 50% of the problems today are RAID-related. |
| 20:28.13 | g0rd0n | mdadm says "mdadm: Cannot open /dev/sdb3: Device or resource busy" any ideas what could be the problem? |
| 20:28.18 | g0rd0n | sdschulze: hehe sorry :( |
| 20:28.24 | mr_chris | I see. I've started Linux Mint Debian. It's based on the testing branch which according to them is a rolling distro. Can someone clarify then if is actually the case? |
| 20:29.08 | sdschulze | mr_chris: I'm not sure what you consider "rolling". |
| 20:29.16 | jhutchins_lt | mr_chris: It's not Debian. They take Debian packages and modify them. |
| 20:29.39 | sdschulze | Upon release, "testing" becomes "stable". |
| 20:29.55 | stew | mr_chris: what does "rolling distro" mean? |
| 20:29.57 | sdschulze | The new "testing" is a preparation for the next "stable" to come. |
| 20:30.36 | rahsputin | when i do: # mkinitramfs -o /tmp/initramfs-$(uname -r) this message shows up: /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/uswsusp: line 31: [: too many arguments |
| 20:30.48 | mr_chris | stew: Rolling release means that packages continue to get updated without a reinstall of the OS. Much like arch, gentoo, or pclinuxos. |
| 20:31.01 | stew | mr_chris: then yes, testing is a rolling release |
| 20:31.02 | jhutchins_lt | stew: "rolling release" distros are more like gentoo where they don't have a freeze, test, release cycle, they continually update the distribution. |
| 20:31.32 | stew | mr_chris: as is stable, unstable, etc |
| 20:31.33 | mr_chris | jhutchins_lt: But apt in LMDE is subscribed to the Debian testing branches. They do make a few updates of there own but it looks like most of it is straight Debian. |
| 20:31.35 | jhutchins_lt | Basically means you are unable to rely on the system working from day to day if you keep updated. Kinda like Sid. |
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| 20:32.20 | jhutchins_lt | mr_chris: If there weren't significant differences there wouldn't be any point to it. |
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| 20:33.03 | stew | mr_chris: but you seem to think that banshee not making it into testing until after squeeze is released is somehow violating your definition of a rolling release, but i don't see how |
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| 20:33.37 | jhutchins_lt | stew: Rolling releases are able to have the latest version of programs because they don't delay updates for bug testing. |
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| 20:34.10 | mr_chris | stew: Not so. I'm just trying to understand how updates in the Debian works since I am new to it. So what you are saying is that people who are subscribed to testing will receive further updates like the latest Banshee after squeeze is released, correct? |
| 20:34.16 | stew | jhutchins_lt: i'm going by his definition of rolling release since he's the one asking the question |
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| 20:34.30 | mr_chris | Err, in the debian versions work |
| 20:35.08 | jhutchins_lt | I think he's trying to find out when Mint is going to have a shiney new banshee. |
| 20:35.10 | mr_chris | jhutchins_lt: I wasn't aware of the delay for bug testing as my definition for a rolling release was based on other distros. Thanks for clarifying that. |
| 20:35.37 | nsadmin | Mint? |
| 20:35.47 | sdschulze | mr_chris: They're currently not updating "testing" because it's frozen. They're not updating "sid", either, because everyone is busy getting a good release. |
| 20:35.51 | mr_chris | nsadmin: Linux Mint now has a Debian based version. |
| 20:35.52 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: Mint is claiming to be Debian Testing these days. |
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| 20:36.23 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 20:36.28 | stew | mr_chris: that is correct. typically packages are uploaded to unstable, after they meet certain criteria, they are automatically copied from unstable to testing. right now those updates are not automatic, they require manual override by the release managers, as they are trying to stabilize a set of packages to become the next 'stable' |
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| 20:38.46 | mr_chris | stew: I see. So it is similar to a rolling release in that you don't have to keep reinstalling based on a frozen set of packages but different in that there is a delay in which the packages are released based on their criteria to get into the testing branch. Am I correct? |
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| 20:39.42 | jhutchins_lt | mr_chris: For example, right now squeeze locks up when xorg loads on certain Intell chipsets. The fix is being tested in sid, when it passes it will move to squeeze for broader testing and for testing as an integrated part of the release (make sure it doesn't break something else). |
| 20:40.09 | stew | mr_chris: it IS a rolling release based on your definition, you should never have to reinstall it. and the "freeze/frozen" monikers that people are throwing around are misleading, testing still changes multiple times a day, its just not automatic. |
| 20:40.38 | mr_chris | Ok Thanks for clearing all of that up for me. |
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| 20:41.21 | mr_chris | jhutchins_lt: Last question. LMDE is just an alternate version to the Ubuntu based mint. Here is the sources.list file. http://pastie.org/1199333 By your definition, is it or is it not Debian testing? |
| 20:41.38 | stew | the day that this testing (codenamed squeeze) becomes stable, and the next (codenamed wheezey) becomes stable, we turn on the automatic updates, and a flood of packages which have been waiting to move from unstable->testing all move at once |
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| 20:41.51 | stew | mr_chris: definately not debian |
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| 20:42.20 | stew | mr_chris: and please do not use ftp.debian.org, use a mirror instead |
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| 20:42.55 | mr_chris | stew: Ok, I'll use a mirror. Could you briefly explain why it is not Debian? |
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| 20:43.32 | stew | mr_chris: because its mint |
| 20:43.55 | g0rd0n | http://pastebin.com/tixBaiwt what the hell?? |
| 20:43.57 | jhutchins_lt | Looks like a mixed system to me. |
| 20:44.06 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: still not Debian |
| 20:44.28 | abrotman | g0rd0n: if you type 'mount' does it show up ? |
| 20:44.45 | doxy2 | hi |
| 20:44.49 | g0rd0n | abrotman: nope it does not |
| 20:44.51 | jhutchins_lt | g0rd0n: It's possible to mount a device more than once. |
| 20:44.53 | doxy2 | do i need kms if i don't use x? |
| 20:45.03 | mr_chris | stew: I understand that it is mint and is a mixed system but how is it not Debian if its core is Debian, pulls from the Debian branches, and is fully compatible with Debian packages? |
| 20:45.14 | sdschulze | doxy2: kms? |
| 20:45.20 | abrotman | mr_chris: this channel is for Debian support, you're not running Debian, please go ask them |
| 20:45.49 | abrotman | g0rd0n: try lsof or fuser to see if something is holding it open ? |
| 20:45.55 | jhutchins_lt | mr_chris: Is that sources file as configured by Mint, or is it something you decided to do? |
| 20:46.10 | g0rd0n | abrotman: nothing |
| 20:46.11 | mr_chris | jhutchins_lt: Configured by mint. |
| 20:46.14 | innociv | i'm not sure crontab is running.. I did sudo crontab -e and put soemthign in there on */5 * * * * but it doesn't seem to be doing it |
| 20:46.23 | abrotman | mr_chris: please go to the mint support channel, this is not it |
| 20:46.29 | sdschulze | doxy2: as in Kernel Modesetting? |
| 20:46.41 | g0rd0n | jhutchins_lt: i dont want to mount it, i want to add it to a raid1 array, but i keep getting the error the device is busy |
| 20:46.43 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: I think his questions were legitimate. |
| 20:47.00 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: we can't possibly know what Mint changes .. it's the same as Ubuntu, not supported here |
| 20:47.04 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: In any case, it's handy to know that Mint is using ftp.debian.org in their sources file. |
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| 20:47.19 | abrotman | handy? |
| 20:47.28 | mr_chris | abrotman: Since it is Debian at its core, there is a lot of overlap between the two. Questions that can't be answered there could be answered here and vice-versa. |
| 20:47.31 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: Right, but what he was asking was about how the Debian testing release works.. |
| 20:47.32 | abrotman | no |
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| 20:47.35 | stew | the first source I looked at from mint is non-free |
| 20:47.42 | abrotman | mr_chris: it is NOT debian, please go away, you're offtopic |
| 20:47.50 | stew | and free is the number 1 requirement for debian |
| 20:48.05 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: i have no damn clue what will happen to Mint when squeeze is released .. GO ASK THEM |
| 20:48.21 | abrotman | personally, i hope it goes up in a ball of flames |
| 20:48.23 | doxy2 | sdschultze: yes |
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| 20:48.41 | doxy2 | because i want framebuffer console with the biggest resolution my chip can offer |
| 20:48.55 | doxy2 | standard fb can't do it |
| 20:49.10 | mr_chris | abrotman: You're being rude. You're also being a troll. I can here to be educated on how debian works since LMDE is a good intro to it. Finding people who act like you make the distro look bad. Please get off your high horse and simply ignore what I'm saying from here on. |
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| 20:50.12 | abrotman | mr_chris: you're offtopic, you're not asking about Debian .. LMDE is NOT Debian, stew pointed this out to you. This channel cannot possibly support all of the Debian-based distros. If you want to ask questions in #debian, please keep them related to Debian |
| 20:50.22 | stew | mr_chris: he's right, this conversation about what mint is and mint isn't is really off-topic for this channel, please just drop it. i'm sorry for contributing to being off-topic |
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| 20:50.35 | mr_chris | jhutchins_lt and stew: Thanks for your time. |
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| 20:51.06 | sdschulze | doxy2: ping? |
| 20:51.11 | abrotman | where's that debian-based channel to tell them to ask mint to not use ftp.debian.org |
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| 20:51.34 | doxy2 | sdschulze: i'm here |
| 20:51.49 | sdschulze | doxy2: If you don't run X, you certainly don't need Kernel Modesetting. |
| 20:51.52 | chattr | abrotman: irc.spotchat.org #linuxmint-debian , iirc |
| 20:51.58 | abrotman | uhm .. no |
| 20:52.11 | jhutchins_lt | THere's a more general one... |
| 20:52.27 | doxy2 | sdschulze: okay, what is the rite way to enable the framebuffer console with max resolution in that case? |
| 20:52.29 | sdschulze | http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting |
| 20:52.31 | abrotman | That's not what I was asking about, at all ... |
| 20:53.15 | sdschulze | doxy2: vga=x on the kernel command line? |
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| 20:54.21 | doxy2 | sdschulze: doesn't recognize anythin over 1024x768 |
| 20:54.54 | doxy2 | sdschulze: but i'm on 965GM chipset and i don't have inteldrmfb module and it doesn't get loaded with i915 |
| 20:55.05 | doxy2 | so i guess i'll hav to compile the kernel myself |
| 20:55.19 | jhutchins_lt | doxy2: Trying to get squeeze working? |
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| 20:56.18 | doxy2 | jhutchins_lt: i upgraded with testing and unstable repos, but i didn't have a better resolution with lenny either |
| 20:56.41 | doxy2 | why isn proc/config.gz available by default? |
| 20:56.57 | doxy2 | or has debian the kernel compilation options listed elsewhere? |
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| 20:57.24 | sdschulze | /boot/config- |
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| 20:57.37 | doxy2 | oh, right. as in LFS :) |
| 20:57.39 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 20:57.42 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.36-rc5-686 (2.6.36~rc5-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-24); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-23); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-23~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-25lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
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| 20:58.21 | jhutchins_lt | doxy2: Iirc the intel fix is in kernels 2.6.34 and newer |
| 20:58.48 | jhutchins_lt | doxy2: So currently in experimental, but if you've mixed squeeze and sid you're not running a production system anyway. |
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| 20:59.15 | sdschulze | Backporting from experimental shouldn't be such a problem. |
| 21:00.00 | sdschulze | (if necessary at all) |
| 21:00.36 | doxy2 | sdschulze: thanks! |
| 21:00.43 | sdschulze | If it's just a single patch, you don't even need to do that. |
| 21:00.52 | sdschulze | Then just apply the patch and compile the module. |
| 21:01.08 | jhutchins_lt | sdschulze: Yes, but mixing packages directly from sid... |
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| 21:02.51 | MarfisDame | Hello, I want to migrate over to debian from Ubuntu and I have a question. How do you install software on debian? |
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| 21:03.00 | MarfisDame | Is there a thing like Ubuntu software center? |
| 21:03.20 | CoolCold | dunno what is Ubuntu software center, but we use apt-get/aptitude\ |
| 21:03.21 | arosen | MarfisDame: Just using apt-get |
| 21:03.46 | AimHere | Synaptic is a gui front end for apt-get |
| 21:04.01 | MarfisDame | So all the software is there in Synaptic? |
| 21:04.12 | MarfisDame | Like battle for wesnoth...vim or other things... |
| 21:04.15 | AimHere | Yeah |
| 21:04.18 | CoolCold | ince asaaaaa |
| 21:04.18 | CoolCold | 1 |
| 21:04.22 | CoolCold | huh |
| 21:04.23 | MarfisDame | I see, thank so much |
| 21:04.26 | CoolCold | screen hang, sorry ;) |
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| 21:04.43 | MarfisDame | So Ubuntu software center is just an eye candy synaptic? |
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| 21:05.12 | CoolCold | synaptic is eye-candy apt-get ;) |
| 21:05.33 | MarfisDame | Also my laptop specs are 4gb of ram, ati hd4330, intel t4300 2,1 ghz dual core 250 gb hdd. Should I get 32 bit or 64? |
| 21:05.33 | sdschulze | MarfisDame: Synaptic is one way to install it. |
| 21:05.39 | AimHere | Ubuntu Software centre is probably another eye-candy apt-get |
| 21:05.47 | MarfisDame | :DHahaha I see. |
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| 21:06.14 | MarfisDame | Well I want to move as I said to debian, I'm a linux newbie searching for something challenging. |
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| 21:06.20 | AimHere | apt-get is just dpkg for quiche-eaters |
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| 21:06.28 | sdschulze | MarfisDame: There is also a package called "software-center" in Debian. |
| 21:06.33 | sdschulze | not sure if it's the same thing |
| 21:06.52 | MarfisDame | sdschulze, Well when I get debian I will sure test it, thanks. |
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| 21:06.57 | MarfisDame | Should I get 32 bit or 64? |
| 21:07.00 | karlpinc | !why aptitude |
| 21:07.00 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). |
| 21:07.03 | sdschulze | I don't see any objectives to 64-bit... |
| 21:07.14 | CoolCold | MarfisDame: you can install 64bit kernel on 32bit system, so , system will use all memory being 32bit inself.. |
| 21:07.25 | sdschulze | (though I've never installed Debian on a 64-bit system) |
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| 21:07.30 | abrotman | MarfisDame: lots of proprietary software is 32bit only .. up to oyu if you want to deal with a chroot,etc |
| 21:07.36 | int_80h | debian policy is still to recommend 32bit for desktops, iirc |
| 21:07.44 | CoolCold | i'm using 64bit ones, but not using linux on desktop, so there may be some problems with say Adobe Flash, not sure |
| 21:07.57 | MarfisDame | Don't use adobe flash... |
| 21:08.00 | sdschulze | Isn't there libc-i386? |
| 21:08.04 | MarfisDame | I'm paranoid:P |
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| 21:08.13 | abrotman | MarfisDame: skype? stuff like that |
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| 21:08.21 | MarfisDame | No skype:P |
| 21:08.25 | sdschulze | abrotman: sheesh |
| 21:08.30 | abrotman | ? |
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| 21:08.37 | MarfisDame | Proprietary software sucks! |
| 21:09.03 | abrotman | MarfisDame: i'm just saying that there are things out there like games, etc .. taht are 32bit-only .. ultimately, it's up to you .. and if you partition off /home/ you can realistically reinstall if you don't like 64bit/32bit |
| 21:09.09 | MarfisDame | I regret every single moment that I bought an ati card. |
| 21:09.09 | sdschulze | abrotman: If he installs the 64-bit system right now, he will just stop using proprietary software. |
| 21:09.43 | sdschulze | MarfisDame: The ATI card might meanwhile be supported by the free driver. |
| 21:10.10 | MarfisDame | sdschulze, Yes, open source driver works fine for 2 d acceleration only (at least for my card). |
| 21:10.39 | abrotman | sdschulze: not everyone has that luxury or desire .. i was just merely stating it so that he could consider it in his choice |
| 21:10.48 | MarfisDame | But tell me, if let's say I have 64 debian, is there a problem with installing 32 bit software and 64 as well? |
| 21:11.12 | MarfisDame | I ask because I never done that, I've been on 32 bit so far. |
| 21:12.05 | abrotman | MarfisDame: why would you need 32bit software if you're only using open source ? |
| 21:12.08 | kombucha | This only happens once every 8.23 x 10^2 years... |
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| 21:13.14 | MarfisDame | abrotman, I'm a linux newbie, isn't there floss only 32 bit? |
| 21:13.31 | abrotman | there might be 'free' 32bit only .. that would be like Skype or Flash .. |
| 21:13.35 | sdschulze | http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html |
| 21:14.03 | MarfisDame | sdschulze, Thanks |
| 21:14.08 | sdschulze | MarfisDame: not that I know of -- most software is written portably |
| 21:14.10 | abrotman | MarfisDame: but in general, most of the important bits are 64bit clean at this point |
| 21:14.26 | nsadmin | it's enough of a pain in the ass you want to avoid it... make your choice and go with it, or install all the libs for both 64 and 32 bit |
| 21:14.44 | MarfisDame | Ok thanks |
| 21:14.46 | sdschulze | I don't have any experience with 64-bit Debian, but only with (sue me) 64-bit Ubuntu. It runs fine. |
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| 21:14.58 | sdschulze | On one of them, installing fglrx was a challenge, though. |
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| 21:15.26 | CoolCold | no X - no harm ;) |
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| 21:15.52 | sdschulze | MarfisDame: On my 64-bit system, I couldn't tell the difference. |
| 21:16.18 | abrotman | there really isn't much of a difference for normal users |
| 21:16.33 | MarfisDame | sdschulze, I have 4 gigs of ram...so I though moving to 64 bit would be better in terms of performance |
| 21:16.51 | abrotman | depending on the work you do, using PAE/-bigmem instead of amd64 might be noticeable .. but in general, you'll be fine |
| 21:17.02 | sdschulze | MarfisDame: Even 32-bit Linux has 64GiB RAM support. |
| 21:17.04 | MarfisDame | In ubuntu(sorry:)) I only have 3,5 gb of ram showing. |
| 21:17.12 | MarfisDame | Ohhh |
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| 21:17.13 | palmer | Well on my Ultrasparc, Debian don't even provide a 64-bit userland |
| 21:17.15 | abrotman | MarfisDame: that's because you didn't use a PAE-enabled kernel |
| 21:17.27 | MarfisDame | abrotman, And how do I do that? |
| 21:17.37 | abrotman | hell if i know, ask #ubuntu if they offer such a thing |
| 21:17.47 | sdschulze | MarfisDame: That's strange. |
| 21:18.01 | MarfisDame | abrotman, Ok, thanks so much |
| 21:18.18 | MarfisDame | Thanks everyone for helping me out. |
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| 21:18.40 | abrotman | sdschulze: no it's not .. a non-PAE kernel will only see 3.3GB out of 4GB .. if you use a PAE-enabled kernel, you can get up to 64GB (but there is a performance penalty) |
| 21:19.15 | abrotman | So if it's for your workstation, and you want various 32bit-fun-binary-only-things, and you don't mind losing that 800MB-ish RAM, i386 is fine |
| 21:19.16 | sdschulze | abrotman: Ah, sure, if he doesn't have PAE. |
| 21:19.35 | sdschulze | I was thinking he used a PAE kernel. |
| 21:19.37 | MarfisDame | What performance penalty? |
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| 21:19.56 | laust | hi everyone |
| 21:20.03 | MarfisDame | Performance penalty if you use pae kernel? |
| 21:20.04 | abrotman | i said above .. depends on what type of work you're doing .. in most cases, it's minor .. |
| 21:20.20 | sdschulze | MarfisDame: Pages are larger. |
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| 21:20.27 | CoolCold | in my dirty tests with dd if=/dev/zero it was ~ 5-8% on memory access |
| 21:20.30 | tharkun | MarfisDame: The one needed to map a larger than hw memory space |
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| 21:20.53 | menbary | dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 21:20.53 | dpkg | WARNING: upgrade your kernel prior to the rest of the packages. Remove any APT source specific to stable (volatile, backports), then change lenny to squeeze in the sources.list. aptitude update && aptitude install linux-image-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` ; reboot into 2.6.32 kernel; aptitude full-upgrade. If full-upgrade fails, try "apt-get dist-upgrade". See <squeeze release notes>, <squeeze udev>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>. |
| 21:20.59 | abrotman | menbary: please msg the bot |
| 21:21.19 | g0rd0n | damn... now i managed to create the md1 array with sda3, but the system boots with sdb3 as root partition... so no way to add sdb3 to md1 now... how can i tell debian to use md1 as / partition? |
| 21:21.19 | abrotman | MarfisDame: and i also said, if you partition off /home/ you can switch back and forth |
| 21:21.34 | bofh80 | anybody got Skype working on Squeeze amd64 ? :D |
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| 21:21.44 | CoolCold | g0rd0n: path root=/dev/md1 in grub? |
| 21:21.44 | MarfisDame | I don't really understand. so if you have pae kernel, what's the performance penalty? You get from 3.3 gb recognised, up to 64 as I saw in wikipedia |
| 21:21.51 | MarfisDame | This is a performance penalty? |
| 21:22.06 | sdschulze | MarfisDame: You don't have PAE enabled. |
| 21:22.15 | nsadmin | you're using the same partition as / that you want to add to the raid? |
| 21:22.17 | sdschulze | MarfisDame: That's why you only see 3.3 GB. |
| 21:22.35 | CoolCold | MarfisDame: there will be some tricks to use memory over 4gb with some "memory window" , so extra memory ops, here penalty comes from |
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| 21:22.46 | laust | I have a boot annoyance. I'm using a laptop, and when i'm on battery, it seldom boots to the end. All i get is a black screen. Does anyone have an idea at least where i could search? |
| 21:23.03 | g0rd0n | CoolCold: ohhh i see now, i have probably the wrong UUID in the root parameter |
| 21:23.09 | MarfisDame | CoolCold, But I only want to use 4 as I have only 4....will I be affected? |
| 21:23.13 | sdschulze | MarfisDame: If you enabled it, you would see all the 4GB, but, as CoolCold points out, it's a bit of a dirty hack. |
| 21:23.18 | CoolCold | MarfisDame: you will be |
| 21:23.21 | g0rd0n | oh dear now how do i find out which uid my md1 has... |
| 21:23.30 | tharkun | MarfisDame: yes, you will be affected. |
| 21:23.35 | MarfisDame | Ohh damn |
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| 21:23.47 | CoolCold | g0rd0n: u don't need UUID, just use root=/dev/md1 |
| 21:23.52 | nsadmin | g0rd0n: the disk formats for a raid partition and a data partition are different... |
| 21:24.12 | g0rd0n | yeah sda3 and sdb3 are linux raid partitions |
| 21:24.14 | CoolCold | but i guess it's still possible with blkid ;) |
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| 21:24.40 | nsadmin | you will want to first copy your / elsewhere, boot from that, and then deal with the raid |
| 21:24.54 | CoolCold | MarfisDame: install 32bit system, then 64bit kernel, no probs ;) |
| 21:24.54 | sdschulze | http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u64/performance.php?test=pidigits vs. http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u32/performance.php?test=pidigits |
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| 21:25.16 | g0rd0n | damn... actually the uuid in grub is the md1 one... odd... |
| 21:25.19 | sdschulze | MarfisDame: Why "oh damn"? |
| 21:25.24 | sdschulze | MarfisDame: What's the problem? |
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| 21:25.35 | nsadmin | you will want to first copy your / elsewhere, boot from that, and then deal with the raid |
| 21:25.41 | CoolCold | g0rd0n: DO NOT USE UUID |
| 21:25.56 | MarfisDame | Well I was excited when I heard of pae and wiki it but now that you tell me it's a dirty hack.... |
| 21:25.58 | g0rd0n | well md1 should have the same contents as sdb3, since i had a raid1 before... i just shrunk the partitions |
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| 21:26.04 | g0rd0n | ok i will try using the path instead |
| 21:26.18 | MarfisDame | Anyway, will install 32 bit system then 64 bit kernel and see what happens |
| 21:26.26 | sdschulze | MarfisDame: The wiki is not talking about PAE. |
| 21:26.31 | CoolCold | when kernel sees raw devices like /dev/sda? it thinks wow, i've found UUID, let's use it! then md starts and that /dev/sda? is busy to be added into raid ;) |
| 21:26.44 | sdschulze | MarfisDame: It's talking about all-64-bit systems. |
| 21:26.49 | g0rd0n | heh md1 and sdb3 ahve the same uuid :P |
| 21:27.00 | CoolCold | g0rd0n: bingo (: |
| 21:27.03 | g0rd0n | :) |
| 21:27.06 | nsadmin | that should work. and your compiler will compile 32-bit, and you'll be installing 32-bit packages |
| 21:27.08 | CoolCold | cuz they have almost the same data.. |
| 21:27.21 | sdschulze | MarfisDame: And as you pointed out the you'll not be using non-free software, I don't see the problem. |
| 21:27.27 | sdschulze | *that |
| 21:27.29 | jhutchins_lt | MarfisDame: If your kernel doesn't match the rest of the system it will not work. |
| 21:27.55 | CoolCold | i've installed 64bit kernel on 32bit system ( processor supported 64bit ) with no problem |
| 21:28.38 | jhutchins_lt | MarfisDame: Also, just because there is reduced performance doesn't mean you'll be able to see the difference. |
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| 21:29.58 | g0rd0n | CoolCold: damn, boot failed, it says there is no /dev/md1 device |
| 21:30.01 | sdschulze | still doesn't see the issue. |
| 21:30.16 | sdschulze | My laptop is running all-64-bit without any problems. |
| 21:30.23 | CoolCold | g0rd0n: well...there may be several problems |
| 21:30.33 | abrotman | sdschulze: my laptop is 32bit, without any problems .. |
| 21:30.45 | sdschulze | abrotman: But mine is faster. :) |
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| 21:31.08 | sdschulze | If I buy a 64-bit CPU, I want to use it. |
| 21:31.12 | abrotman | are you sure it's faster? |
| 21:31.23 | g0rd0n | CoolCold: i guess i will try to change the UUID of sdb3 so it is different from md1's |
| 21:31.25 | nsadmin | you are using it |
| 21:31.25 | abrotman | !tell marcel_543 about root |
| 21:31.35 | sdschulze | abrotman: I can try. |
| 21:31.39 | CoolCold | g0rd0n: what you grub config says about root (hd...) ? it should be root (hd0,0) for /dev/sda1 |
| 21:31.42 | abrotman | sdschulze: can try what? |
| 21:32.05 | CoolCold | g0rd0n: i bet you do not have mdadm.conf in your initrd image ;) |
| 21:32.10 | abrotman | it really doesn't matter, /home/ is on its own partition, i can easily switch in a matter of an hour if i wanted to |
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| 21:32.21 | sdschulze | abrotman: OK, I don't know if it's faster than yours, but I'm sure it's faster than itself running in 32-bit mode. |
| 21:32.40 | abrotman | there can be penalties to running 64bit mode also ... |
| 21:32.41 | abrotman | anyway .. |
| 21:32.42 | abrotman | waves |
| 21:32.50 | g0rd0n | CoolCold: i dont know if it's in initrd.. but i would assume yes, since the system is based on an image with raid1 enabled |
| 21:32.58 | nsadmin | that may or may not be true |
| 21:33.11 | sdschulze | abrotman: If it was *that* bad, they wouldn't have invented it. |
| 21:33.19 | abrotman | yeah .. like ia64? |
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| 21:33.50 | sdschulze | compare: http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u64/performance.php?test=pidigits vs. http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u32/performance.php?test=pidigits |
| 21:33.52 | CoolCold | g0rd0n: now you are booted with / on /dev/sda3 ? |
| 21:34.14 | CoolCold | and /dev/md1 should consist of /dev/sda3 and /dev/sdb3, right? |
| 21:34.26 | abrotman | sdschulze: and i'm sure someone could invent a benchmark to make 32bit have a better score |
| 21:34.32 | g0rd0n | CoolCold: exactly |
| 21:35.17 | CoolCold | g0rd0n: so, i guess you should have degraded raid1 /dev/md1 with only /dev/sdb3 as it's component, right? |
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| 21:36.06 | sdschulze | OK, abrotman wins: the binary-tree example is faster in i386. |
| 21:36.12 | g0rd0n | CoolCold: no, basically i created a new md1, with sda3 and "missing" |
| 21:36.23 | g0rd0n | so the plan is once i booted from md1 i can add sdb3 |
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| 21:37.34 | CoolCold | shrugs head..you say / is on /dev/sda3 so you can't add it to raid as it is used ;) |
| 21:37.42 | g0rd0n | ok i changed hd(0,0) to hd(1,0) as it was like that on the clean image... now the boot with the /dev/md1 parameter goes a bit further... says the filesystem doesnt have /sbin/init... damn... |
| 21:39.14 | g0rd0n | lol this is so fucked up |
| 21:39.15 | sphenxes01 | I am trying to connect to my computer01: squeeze computer using samba from computer 2: easy peasy. when i write the command: mount -t cifs -o username=username,password=password //192.168.0.10/Share /mnt/Share. it works fine and i can browse my files. But when i add the same command to fstab i get the error: mount error(06): no such device or address. How can I mount samba shared file on boot? |
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| 21:40.24 | jhutchins_lt | g0rd0n: Sounds like you need to update your initramfs. |
| 21:40.39 | CoolCold | and update mdadm.conf first ;) |
| 21:40.56 | g0rd0n | mdadm.conf is updated already |
| 21:41.16 | sdschulze | sphenxes01: Does mount -a work? |
| 21:41.29 | sdschulze | sphenxes01: If no, your fstab entry is incorrect. |
| 21:41.50 | sdschulze | better: without -a but giving the mount point |
| 21:41.50 | g0rd0n | oh shit i see the whole problem now |
| 21:42.18 | g0rd0n | sda3 is mdraid, sdb3 is ext3? |
| 21:42.20 | CoolCold | i've got similar situation one time, when one machine was just rsynced from the other, so was pretty hour in datacenter of fu..king with centos ;) |
| 21:42.49 | sphenxes01 | sdousley, mount -a doesn't work |
| 21:43.03 | sdschulze | sphenxes01: same error? |
| 21:43.05 | g0rd0n | must have changed the partition type by mistake maybe |
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| 21:43.38 | sphenxes01 | sdousley, mount works |
| 21:43.47 | g0rd0n | hmm parted says it's raid |
| 21:43.55 | sdschulze | sphenxes01: OK, then you fstab entry is right. |
| 21:43.56 | CoolCold | proper mdadm.conf should not rely on partition type |
| 21:44.17 | sdschulze | sphenxes01: Maybe you network isn't working at the time it's trying to mount. |
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| 21:44.46 | doxy2 | hi again |
| 21:44.53 | sphenxes01 | sdschulze, thanks |
| 21:45.18 | sdschulze | wb doxy2 |
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| 21:46.40 | anao | hello@all when does squeeze become "stable"? |
| 21:47.52 | doxy2 | is there anything that can be done when i get the following error message: |
| 21:47.53 | doxy2 | http://pastebin.ca/1954347 |
| 21:48.00 | doxy2 | so the newest kernel can not be installed |
| 21:48.37 | themill | dpkg: tell anao about wwsr |
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| 21:49.02 | anao | wwsr?? |
| 21:49.37 | themill | !literal wwsr |
| 21:49.37 | dpkg | "wwsr" is "<reply> see when will squeeze release" |
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| 21:50.54 | sdschulze | doxy2: The error message is pretty expressive IMHO. |
| 21:51.19 | sdschulze | doxy2: You need to install linux-base (>= 2.6.36~rc5-1~experimental.1). |
| 21:51.19 | anao | ok, looked on net for release date but didn't find correct date.. |
| 21:51.39 | jhutchins_lt | doxy2: You have a system backup, don't you? |
| 21:51.47 | jair | quick question guys, is it possible to resize a disk partitioned in "/" sda1 "/home" sda2 "/swap" sda3 ? for example full physical disk size = 40GB I have 10GB unpartitioned space and the disk is not partitioned using LVM |
| 21:51.47 | jhutchins_lt | anao: There isn't one. |
| 21:52.06 | jair | the partition to resize or make is bigger will be "/home" |
| 21:52.08 | anao | oh..ok thanks.. |
| 21:52.12 | jhutchins_lt | anao: It will release when it meets the quality standards. |
| 21:52.18 | jair | from 10GB to 15GB for example |
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| 21:52.26 | jair | is that possible? |
| 21:52.33 | anao | ok thanks for informations... |
| 21:52.38 | doxy2 | jhutchins_lt sdschulze : apt-cache find only "linux-"base |
| 21:52.42 | CoolCold | jair: afaik parted can do it..or partition magic may be |
| 21:52.49 | doxy2 | "linux-base" |
| 21:52.56 | sdschulze | doxy2: sure |
| 21:53.04 | sdschulze | doxy2: version 2.6.36~rc5-1~experimental.1 |
| 21:53.12 | sdschulze | Download it, install it. |
| 21:53.16 | CoolCold | if i remember right, acronis diskdirector or smth like this could move partitions |
| 21:53.17 | jhutchins_lt | jair: gparted can do that, but it's best to make backups first, and if you do that anyway you can just repartiton and restore, which may even be faster. |
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| 21:53.44 | CoolCold | yes, backup will be good in any case |
| 21:54.05 | sdschulze | jair: what file system? |
| 21:54.39 | doxy2 | sdschulze: no. apt-cache show linux-base says version 2.6.32-23 |
| 21:54.42 | jair | ext3 |
| 21:55.08 | sdschulze | doxy2: Yes, that's because you don't have "experimental" in your sources.list. |
| 21:55.13 | jair | I thought so, using gparted live cd |
| 21:55.35 | sdschulze | though... |
| 21:55.45 | sdschulze | Why can it get linux-image-2.6.36-rc5-amd64 then?! |
| 21:55.56 | doxy2 | and i do have it in sources-list |
| 21:56.01 | doxy2 | sourcer.list |
| 21:56.05 | doxy2 | sources.list |
| 21:56.08 | sdschulze | jair: I've successfully used resize2fs. |
| 21:56.08 | doxy2 | damn :) |
| 21:56.29 | sdschulze | checks packages.debian.org. |
| 21:56.32 | jair | sdschulze: remember that there is not two big file systems partitioned "/" (inside root /home /opt /usr etc..) this case the disk is slided in "/" , /home, /swap |
| 21:56.33 | jhutchins_lt | It's entirely possible that a package in experimental doesn't have all of it's dependencies available. |
| 21:57.16 | jhutchins_lt | jair: slided? |
| 21:57.22 | sdschulze | jair: Just try parted. |
| 21:58.02 | sdschulze | http://packages.debian.org/experimental/linux-base |
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| 21:58.06 | sdschulze | There it is. |
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| 21:59.12 | sdschulze | doxy2: oh, wait... |
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| 21:59.23 | sdschulze | doxy2: Probably some pinning stops it from installing it. |
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| 21:59.55 | sdschulze | Does it work if you supply "-t experimental" to apt-get? |
| 22:00.08 | marshallmc | having trouble getting a ralink usb wireless adapter to work |
| 22:00.35 | sdschulze | marshallmc: Can you post your "lspci -v" output somewhere? |
| 22:01.19 | doxy2 | sdschulze: that did it |
| 22:01.46 | doxy2 | so it found the linux-base of unstable for some reason |
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| 22:02.42 | sdschulze | It stops you from "upgrading" to experimental. |
| 22:02.53 | sdschulze | which I wouldn't consider a good idea... |
| 22:03.37 | sdschulze | recalls once having caused a real mess by installing stuff from experimental. |
| 22:04.09 | marshallmc | lspci -v and lsusb -v http://pastebin.com/QzRv4Uwz |
| 22:04.26 | sdschulze | ah, right, lsusb, sorry |
| 22:04.32 | marshallmc | no prob |
| 22:05.01 | doxy2 | sdschulze: well yeah, i got installed and booted but still no interldrmfb :( |
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| 22:06.16 | sdschulze | "Senao" -- not very expressive... |
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| 22:07.13 | marshallmc | lol seriously |
| 22:07.55 | sdschulze | marshallmc: To what point do you get? |
| 22:08.14 | marshallmc | http://www.smithgear.com/eng-eub9801.html |
| 22:08.14 | sdschulze | Does it load the rt2800usb module? |
| 22:08.35 | marshallmc | hmm |
| 22:09.04 | sdschulze | If so, what does dmesg say about it? |
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| 22:09.56 | sdschulze | doxy2: Does your /boot/config- look OK now? |
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| 22:10.43 | marshallmc | http://pastebin.com/yYvRTA85 |
| 22:11.30 | sdschulze | lsmod doesn't show rt2800usb, does it? |
| 22:11.37 | marshallmc | no |
| 22:11.59 | sdschulze | tried modprobe'ing it? |
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| 22:12.23 | doxy2 | sdschulze: well, CONFIG_DRM_I915_KMS is not set, but as you said, that shouldn't matter... |
| 22:12.34 | doxy2 | otherwise it seems to be the same for the i915 parts |
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| 22:12.36 | marshallmc | modprobe rt2800usb? |
| 22:12.49 | sdschulze | marshallmc: yes |
| 22:13.10 | sdschulze | doxy2: Well, whoever was telling you that 2.6.36 fixed it. |
| 22:13.28 | sdschulze | bets that the firmware is missing. |
| 22:14.32 | sdschulze | Make sure you installed firmware-ralink. |
| 22:14.34 | doxy2 | sdschulze: well, it wasn't you :) |
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| 22:14.40 | sdschulze | doxy2: obviously |
| 22:14.40 | marshallmc | module not found |
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| 22:14.58 | sdschulze | marshallmc: What version of Debian are you using? |
| 22:15.12 | doxy2 | sdschulze: CONFIG_FB_VESA is set to 'y' - should that be overrrided using a boot kernel parameter? |
| 22:15.16 | doxy2 | or initr |
| 22:15.17 | doxy2 | initrd |
| 22:15.20 | sdschulze | (resp. what version of Linux) |
| 22:15.26 | marshallmc | lenny 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 22:15.34 | sdschulze | marshallmc: Ah, that's the problem. |
| 22:15.37 | marshallmc | :( |
| 22:15.40 | palmer | Restarting Pidgin |
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| 22:15.53 | sdschulze | marshallmc: If you're planning on upgrading to squeeze, do so. |
| 22:16.07 | sdschulze | marshallmc: Otherwise, get 2.6.32 from backports. |
| 22:16.11 | marshallmc | is it stable? |
| 22:16.29 | sdschulze | squeeze is soon to become stable. |
| 22:16.39 | xuser | just two more years |
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| 22:17.20 | marshallmc | hmm |
| 22:17.31 | jhutchins_lt | marshallmc: Backports are mostly stable but not fully tested against all possible software. |
| 22:18.03 | jhutchins_lt | marshallmc: Since it's pretty trivial to try a kernel and roll back if it doesn't work you should be fine. |
| 22:18.17 | sdschulze | marshallmc: For your checklist, you need Linux 2.6.32 and the firmware-ralink package. |
| 22:18.24 | marshallmc | ty |
| 22:18.26 | jhutchins_lt | xuser: Only if you don't fix that bug! |
| 22:18.49 | sdschulze | Upgrading to squeeze is a major issue... |
| 22:18.54 | xuser | ;-) |
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| 22:19.14 | sdschulze | (though I can't tell -- I'm a testing user) |
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| 22:20.38 | marshallmc | trying to make wireless ids |
| 22:20.58 | ZitZ | hi good folks, can anyone help me out with why debuild gives me errors about missing files in /usr/share/pkgconfig/* |
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| 22:21.46 | sdschulze | ZitZ: Can you paste the exact command and the exact error message? |
| 22:22.07 | sdschulze | marshallmc: ? |
| 22:22.26 | marshallmc | with kismet, intrusion detection system |
| 22:22.30 | ZitZ | yeah, i'll do a paste-bin since it's kind of long because it goes through all the compiling |
| 22:22.30 | doxy2 | sdschulze: btw, i found this line from a site: " when you enable KMS for the Intel?s i915 driver, it will provide it?s own framebuffer drivers called inteldrmfb" |
| 22:22.34 | marshallmc | and ossec |
| 22:22.44 | doxy2 | so i'm gonna go for that, see if it works |
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| 22:23.52 | sdschulze | marshallmc: OK, so you're now installing Linux 2.6.32 from backports? |
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| 22:24.27 | jair | sdschulze: thank you very much |
| 22:24.29 | doxy2 | sdschulze: thanks for all the help! |
| 22:24.35 | I_Died_Once_back | help! running debian squeeze... and the power went out! My filesystems are borked....... |
| 22:24.36 | marshallmc | i may just install squeeze on another machine |
| 22:24.39 | sdschulze | wow :) |
| 22:24.54 | sdschulze | it works? |
| 22:25.12 | I_Died_Once_back | when i run fsck on anything, i think the kernel is crashing and my caps lock and scroll lock buttons on my kepboard wont stop flashing |
| 22:25.15 | ZitZ | http://pastebin.com/VLn6ifJM That should be enough, I couldn't get all the output |
| 22:25.46 | jhutchins_lt | I_Died_Once_back: kernel panic. |
| 22:25.54 | sdschulze | I_Died_Once_back: Run fsck from a rescue system. |
| 22:25.57 | jhutchins_lt | I_Died_Once_back: Time to boot to a live CD. |
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| 22:26.20 | ZitZ | I_Died_Once_back, you should get a live cd and run fsck on your root filesystem from that live cd |
| 22:26.33 | jhutchins_lt | I_Died_Once_back: What filesystem? |
| 22:26.42 | I_Died_Once_back | will knoppix do ??? |
| 22:26.52 | jhutchins_lt | I_Died_Once_back: It's a good choice. |
| 22:26.58 | I_Died_Once_back | its either ext2 or ext3 |
| 22:27.21 | ZitZ | yeah, knoppix would be excellent, it definitely has ext3 support, i'm not sure of ext4 though |
| 22:27.45 | themill | ZitZ: the package is claiming to create pkgconfig data and is trying to install it in the libgpod-dev package... but the pkgconfig files aren't there when it comes time to move them around |
| 22:28.17 | ZitZ | themill, I don't understand, I thought I was trying to create a libgpod-dev package |
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| 22:28.51 | sdschulze | The squeeze netinst system would probably ideal for rescue... |
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| 22:29.30 | sdschulze | thinks it's time to sleep. |
| 22:29.36 | themill | ZitZ: have a look in /home/paul/libgpod-0.7.95/debian/tmp/usr/lib/pkgconfig -- is libgpod-1.0.pc there? |
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| 22:30.42 | I_Died_Once_back | if my old copy of knoppix doesnt work, i'll try the squeeze install disc - rescue mode |
| 22:30.51 | I_Died_Once_back | booting now |
| 22:30.56 | themill | ZitZ: actually, line 534 of that paste is the problem. the makefile that has that line in it needs fixing |
| 22:30.59 | I_Died_Once_back | everyone, cross your fingers |
| 22:31.11 | ZitZ | libgpod-1.0.pc is there |
| 22:31.37 | ZitZ | themill, why do I get a similar error when trying to do this with different packages |
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| 22:33.23 | ZitZ | oh, and it compiles fine with normal building, i.e., ./configure, make, make install |
| 22:34.07 | I_Died_Once_back | its telling me its got a bad superblock.... how do i find out where an alternative superblock is at? |
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| 22:35.22 | themill | ZitZ: it's the package building stage that fails. What's in debian/compat? |
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| 22:36.37 | peterrooney | I_Died_Once_back: i recall mke2fs has a --no-action / --dry-run option.... might tell you where a superblock would have been placed. |
| 22:37.03 | ZitZ | the number 7 |
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| 22:38.55 | peterrooney | hrm, it says "-S Write superblock and group descriptors only. This is useful if... and a last-ditch recovery method is desired" |
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| 22:39.09 | peterrooney | cross your toes if you have them |
| 22:39.14 | Pavlz | hello |
| 22:40.09 | themill | ZitZ: the install stage is looking in the wrong place. Compare usr/share/pkgconfig in 540 with with usr/lib/pkgconfig in 534. |
| 22:40.36 | smacnay | darn, I cant get either twitux or gwibber working - ah, less time spent reading useless tweets I guess. |
| 22:40.49 | Pavlz | how is possible that http;//ww.debian.org has got a time between 205 ms and 214 ms ? |
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| 22:41.47 | ZitZ | themill, I don't know if I understand, they are both directories |
| 22:42.17 | themill | ZitZ: btw is this a package that you're making or a package that you're just trying to recompile? |
| 22:42.20 | Pavlz | âwww.debian.orgâ refused the connection. |
| 22:42.20 | Pavlz | The server may be busy or you may have a network connection problem. Try again later. |
| 22:42.20 | Pavlz | There may be an old version of the page you wanted |
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| 22:43.11 | ZitZ | I'm just trying to compile the newest version of libgpod, because debian's version is ancient, I compiled it manually, I'd just like to be able to do it the "debian" way |
| 22:43.45 | themill | ZitZ: so are you recompiling the sid version or what are you doing? |
| 22:44.06 | ZitZ | no, the sid version is ancient too, I'm compiling their newest release version |
| 22:44.20 | themill | that doesn't tell me where the debian packaging came from |
| 22:44.22 | ZitZ | I already have it working, it syncs my ipod touch 2nd gen excellently |
| 22:44.29 | themill | and that's the issue here |
| 22:44.29 | ZitZ | oh, i used dh_make |
| 22:44.33 | themill | :( |
| 22:45.17 | ZitZ | themill, i did dh_make --createorig |
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| 22:45.33 | Pavlz | can you help me to understand where is the problem ? |
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| 22:46.46 | ZitZ | Pavlz, can you or can you not ping it? |
| 22:46.57 | Pavlz | i made it |
| 22:47.13 | I_Died_Once_back | ok, got another problem..... did the rescue with knoppix, found the superblock and everything... go to fix it and the kernel has crashed on me again, in knoppix |
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| 22:47.38 | I_Died_Once_back | scroll lock and caps lock flashing at me, screen is frozen |
| 22:47.47 | Pavlz | i made it ZitZ |
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| 22:47.59 | I_Died_Once_back | gonna try the same thing with the install rescue mode... |
| 22:48.05 | ZitZ | I_Died_Once_back, with the knoppix live cd, it's either a different problem with the livecd, or a hardware problem |
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| 22:48.19 | ZitZ | Pavlz, what do you mean you made www.debian.org? |
| 22:49.11 | Pavlz | http://www.debian.org âwww.debian.orgâ refused the connection. |
| 22:49.49 | Pavlz | The server may be busy or you may have a network |
| 22:50.11 | Pavlz | connection problem. Try again later. |
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| 22:50.17 | I_Died_Once_back | booting into the install discs rescue mode |
| 22:50.36 | Pavlz | There may be an old version of the page you wanted: |
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| 22:50.48 | ZitZ | Pavlz, where are you getting these errors from? |
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| 22:51.27 | Pavlz | when i try to charge the page http://ww.debian.org |
| 22:52.04 | LinuxGuy2009 | I'm almost done downloading Lenny-Backports repository for offline use. Is there an official guide to show how the official DVD images are created so that I can get the same quality of disks? I'm using debmirror to download the repository but I dont know the rest of the steps. And I dont really trust aptoncd to be using it to be honest. |
| 22:53.16 | jhutchins_lt | Pavlz: You have a network problem, the server is fine. |
| 22:53.20 | jhutchins_lt | Pavlz: Do you have a firewall? |
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| 22:55.14 | smacnay | What would be the best method to monitor a network for shares and automounting them when they come available. I am looking at mounting certain win shares. |
| 22:56.00 | Pavlz | no i have not any firewall and i never set up one |
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| 22:56.16 | ZitZ | are you trying ww.debian.org or www.debian.org? |
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| 22:56.28 | Pavlz | yes |
| 22:56.45 | jhutchins_lt | Pavlz: What other sites have you tried? |
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| 22:57.13 | Pavlz | only www.debian.org now is giving me this problem |
| 22:57.34 | jhutchins_lt | Pavlz: Do you have ipv6 disabled? |
| 22:57.41 | jhutchins_lt | Pavlz: Can you ping the address? |
| 22:57.50 | jhutchins_lt | Pavlz: What IP does the address resolve to? |
| 22:57.52 | stew | Pavlz: try http://128.31.0.51/ http://206.12.19.7/ which are the two www.debian.org ips |
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| 22:58.18 | dirkson | Pardon for semi-offtopic- Is there any fucking censorship in #debian's rules? Do we have rules? |
| 22:58.19 | stew | Pavlz: see if one or the othr or both give you connection refused |
| 22:58.29 | Pavlz | 206.12.19.7 |
| 22:58.46 | jhutchins_lt | dirkson: http://bit.ly/DebFAQ |
| 22:59.20 | dirkson | jhutchins_lt: Ah! There /are/ guidlines there. That page is sort of a mess :-/ |
| 22:59.25 | stew | dirkson: or /msg dpkg guidelines |
| 22:59.43 | stew | dirkson: its a wiki, feel free to help clean up the mess |
| 22:59.46 | esaym153 | what file controls how fsck is run at boot time? |
| 22:59.49 | dirkson | stew: Alrighty |
| 23:00.06 | jhutchins_lt | ...19.7 may have problems. |
| 23:00.06 | dirkson | stew: jhutchins_lt: Thank you : ) |
| 23:00.59 | I_Died_Once_back | ok, sorry about all the nickel and dime questions... but when i go to rescue mode, where should i execute my shell? in the filesystem in trouble? |
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| 23:01.18 | I_Died_Once_back | i tried it in the installer mode and it cannot find fsck |
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| 23:02.30 | aptgetreinstall | anyone know how to reinstall the package apt-get in debian? |
| 23:02.38 | jhutchins_lt | I_Died_Once_back: No, run the shell from the live CD and don't mount the partitions in question; fsck needs root privilages so is probably in root's path. |
| 23:03.12 | stew | aptgetreinstall: aptitude reinstall apt |
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| 23:04.04 | aptgetreinstall | stew: can't aptitude is locked up too |
| 23:04.52 | stew | aptgetreinstall: give us more information, what are you trying to do? why? what is happening instead? |
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| 23:05.12 | I_Died_Once_back | ok, what do i do if the kernel panics while doing this from the install rescue mode? |
| 23:05.16 | aptgetreinstall | stew: i can no longer use apt-get or aptitude to install anything, tried common things found on google, none worked |
| 23:05.27 | I_Died_Once_back | the scoll and cap locks lights are flashing |
| 23:05.49 | stew | aptgetreinstall: show us the command you are using and the output, use a pastebin |
| 23:05.53 | aptgetreinstall | stew: ooobasis locked it when trying to install a *.deb from openoffice, and now i removed the packages and both apt-get and aptitude hang on an ooobasis package |
| 23:06.17 | aptgetreinstall | stew: ok, one moment, pastebin'ing |
| 23:06.51 | aptgetreinstall | stew: http://pastebin.org/22026 |
| 23:07.11 | stew | aptgetreinstall: what is ooobasis-dev3.3-images? where did it come from? |
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| 23:07.23 | stew | aptgetreinstall: that is the package you need to reinstall, not apt |
| 23:07.24 | aptgetreinstall | stew: openoffice.org |
| 23:07.33 | aptgetreinstall | stew: i want it removed (that package oobasis*) |
| 23:07.39 | aptgetreinstall | stew: and apt-get shows it removed |
| 23:07.51 | stew | aptgetreinstall: how are you getting apt-get to show you that? |
| 23:07.58 | stew | aptgetreinstall: it seems like here it is telling you otherwise |
| 23:08.10 | aptgetreinstall | stew: sudo find / -name ooobasis* |
| 23:08.23 | stew | aptgetreinstall: what is that? |
| 23:08.49 | aptgetreinstall | stew: that is a command to search debian for ooobasis* is openoffice (from openoffice.org) |
| 23:08.53 | stew | aptgetreinstall: what are you doing that gets apt-get to show it as removed |
| 23:09.02 | stew | aptgetreinstall: how did you remove it with apt-get? |
| 23:09.11 | stew | aptgetreinstall: or did you remove it by hand? |
| 23:09.22 | aptgetreinstall | stew: i removed it with apt-get by sudo apt-get purge ooobasis* |
| 23:09.36 | aptgetreinstall | stew: that was prior to this error |
| 23:10.02 | stew | aptgetreinstall: anyway, you need to download it from oo.org again and try to reinstall it |
| 23:10.16 | aptgetreinstall | stew: i want it off my system, not back on |
| 23:10.21 | stew | aptgetreinstall: ok |
| 23:10.32 | stew | aptgetreinstall: do you want help getting it off your system? |
| 23:11.07 | aptgetreinstall | stew: its off i believe since find can't find it, but i want to install programs and run apt-get upgrade again |
| 23:11.14 | stew | ok |
| 23:11.21 | aptgetreinstall | stew: so i thought apt reinstallation would be the best start |
| 23:11.31 | stew | it wouldn't help |
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| 23:11.36 | stew | apt has nothing to do with this problem |
| 23:12.05 | aptgetreinstall | stew: can i unlink ooobasis from apt-get's database somehow? |
| 23:12.23 | stew | aptgetreinstall: its not in apt-get's database, its in dpkg's database |
| 23:12.41 | stew | aptgetreinstall: can you show us what "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy ooobasis-dev3.3-images" returns? |
| 23:12.42 | aptgetreinstall | stew: now that you mention it, sudo dpkg --configure -a didn't help either |
| 23:12.52 | askhl | Hi. I would like to update the Danish translation of dpkg. How do I get the po-file (or: from where do I branch the source)? |
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| 23:13.33 | stew | askhl: "apt-get source dpkg" would get you the source |
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| 23:14.00 | aptgetreinstall | stew: http://pastebin.org/22141 |
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| 23:14.20 | askhl | stew, that would not be the development version, and could contain changes to the translation that are not included there. |
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| 23:14.40 | askhl | sorry, "*which* could contain..." |
| 23:15.17 | stew | askhl: then perhaps ask http://lists.debian.org/debian-dpkg/ |
| 23:15.34 | aptgetreinstall | stew: updated with second command with " before: http://pastebin.org/22162 |
| 23:15.36 | themill | askhl: apt-cache showsrc dpkg lists Vcs information |
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| 23:16.20 | stew | oh, i actually looked for it and didn't find it |
| 23:16.55 | askhl | Thank you very much |
| 23:17.09 | stew | aptgetreinstall: and what does "dpkg -l ooobasis-dev3.3-images" say in the first column? |
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| 23:17.55 | aptgetreinstall | stew: updated: http://pastebin.org/22200 |
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| 23:18.40 | stew | aptgetreinstall: so apt thinks it is installed and unpacked and requiring reinstall |
| 23:18.52 | stew | and it knows you requested it to be purged |
| 23:19.08 | stew | but can't purge it because you removed the list of files that it needs to purge sometime after unpacking |
| 23:19.29 | aptgetreinstall | stew: yeah, thats why i was wanting to clear it from its database, because its wrong; thats good it knows i requiested it to be purged; is there a way to override the purge, is this a bug in ooobasis* or dpkg? |
| 23:20.32 | stew | it doesn't look like a bug in dpkg. dunno if its a bug in ooobasis, it looks to me like you removed fils you shouldn't. yes there is a way to override the purge, which is what I've been trying to get you to do |
| 23:20.51 | aptgetreinstall | stew: okay, your great with dpkg btw |
| 23:22.18 | stew | i suppose the ooo packages could have been dumb enough to remove their own files from /var/lib/dpkg/info, but i'd assume rene created him, and he certainly knows better |
| 23:22.30 | stew | I can't imagine they have anyone else working on them |
| 23:22.50 | aptgetreinstall | stew: i got the packages from openoffice.org, not the repos |
| 23:23.05 | aptgetreinstall | stew: it was the beta version too |
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| 23:23.42 | stew | yes, i understand that |
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| 23:24.19 | chovy | i have msmtp installed, how do i get it to work at the system level as a replacement for sendmail, mail, mailq, etc.? |
| 23:28.00 | aptgetreinstall | stew: you said there was a way to fix this issue; does it involve editing the dpkg database by hand? |
| 23:28.13 | stew | aptgetreinstall: no, there is a much safer way |
| 23:28.25 | stew | aptgetreinstall: you really should never have to edit stuff like that by hand |
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| 23:31.00 | aptgetreinstall | stew: i would like the safer method then |
| 23:31.44 | stew | aptgetreinstall: reinstall ooobasis-dev3.3-images |
| 23:32.01 | aptgetreinstall | stew: ok, i'll redownload it |
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| 23:34.11 | aptgetreinstall | stew: reinstalling now |
| 23:34.55 | aptgetreinstall | stew: done, reinstalled |
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| 23:38.01 | aptgetreinstall | stew: what should i do now? |
| 23:39.23 | stew | aptgetreinstall: remove it if you like |
| 23:39.38 | stew | aptgetreinstall: first column of "dpkg -l ooobasis-dev3.3-images" is now 'ii' ? |
| 23:40.07 | aptgetreinstall | stew: yes |
| 23:40.19 | aptgetreinstall | stew: should i sudo apt-get remove ooobasis-dev3.3-images ? |
| 23:40.38 | stew | sure |
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| 23:41.40 | aptgetreinstall | stew: how dpkg -l is 'pn' |
| 23:42.03 | aptgetreinstall | stew: thanks, that fixed it; i hope this doesn't happen to anyone else |
| 23:43.45 | aptgetreinstall | stew: thank you for your time and expertise in fixing this issue |
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| 23:48.37 | stew | all I did was to tell him to do what the error was telling him to do |
| 23:52.04 | karlpinc | stew: That's why you're smarter than the rest of us. You read the instructions. |
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| 23:53.33 | stew | he did to he just didn't want to follow them until I demonstrated that I knew what I was talking about or something |
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| 23:54.36 | dvs | you can read? |
| 23:54.39 | dvs | is envious |
| 23:54.49 | karlpinc | stew: I think it's the impressive green font used to encode your messages. Some folks are a sucker for an impressive font. |
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| 23:57.00 | karlpinc | has second thoughts. He's probably used to one of those "other OS environments" where the instructions either hint at meaning or lead you down the primrose path to the dreaded Clippy! |
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| 23:58.42 | karlpinc | tharkun: See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_flow_control |
| 23:58.44 | acx0 | i'm installing nokia's qt ide for their mobile phones and was wondering where I should install the files - the installer is asking where it should place the folder "NokiaQtSDK"; should I put it in /usr/local/bin, or /usr/local/lib? |
| 23:59.18 | stew | tharkun: you can add "stty -ixon" to your .bashrc if you want to disable this |
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