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| 00:08.18 | undecim | How to install packages as dependencies? (so i can dpkg -i a .deb file) |
| 00:08.50 | cesurasean | undecim, which dependencies do you need? |
| 00:09.02 | cesurasean | you can try apt-get -f install |
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| 00:09.42 | undecim | cesurasean: apt-show-versions, libapt-pkg-perl, libio-pty-perl. Stuff for webmin |
| 00:10.09 | themill | :( |
| 00:10.19 | undecim | cesurasean: The -f installs a file and takes care of the dependencies then? |
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| 00:11.54 | cesurasean | apt-get -f install forces installation of dep's |
| 00:12.04 | cesurasean | so you just type apt-get -f install <enter> |
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| 00:12.29 | MrWax | I am working in a virtual box debian system and can't get no network access, the ethernet card does get no IP. Is there a way i can virtually remove the network card and add a new one? |
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| 00:13.55 | slidesinger | Verizon is driving me insane. pppoe and 16-55% packet loss using pppoe on my laptop. The other choices here are Comcast and Clear. Comcast I already have, does anyone have any experience with Clear wimax? |
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| 00:17.10 | MrWax | oh looks like i finally fixed it |
| 00:17.11 | MrWax | in a strange way though |
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| 00:23.45 | peterrooney | MrWax: should we fear knowing the method? |
| 00:24.00 | LinuxGuy2009 | I've used brasero in another distro that Im about 2 seconds from ditching, and have always experienced issues with it. Is brasero in Debian as just as reliable and stable as the rest of the OS? Can it reliably complete a burn, and actually complete a verification? I know Debian itself is solid as a rock but Im just curious that if brasero itself is buggy or if its just the bugginess of the distro that i currently use. |
| 00:24.48 | dondelelcaro | LinuxGuy2009: you can check the bug reports against brasero itself |
| 00:25.27 | dondelelcaro | LinuxGuy2009: just glancing, it looks like there are some issues which are with brasero. See http://bugs.debian.org/src:brasero |
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| 00:28.15 | streuner | doesnt have any issues with brasero in sid... |
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| 00:29.40 | streuner | brasero is pretty stable, even in sid... |
| 00:30.35 | MrWax | peterrooney: yes, but im not sure if t=his was it |
| 00:30.44 | streuner | so iam wondering what kind of *real* issues LinuxGuy2009 has.... |
| 00:30.47 | MrWax | peterrooney: just switched from bridged to nat and then back again |
| 00:30.50 | MrWax | really no idea :S |
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| 00:33.19 | peterrooney | LinuxGuy2009: there's always wodim, skip the middleman |
| 00:34.03 | peterrooney | nervously eyes the bar for a window to leap out of |
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| 00:34.30 | zhxk | is the ip 109.230.233.119 ssh able ? |
| 00:35.32 | streuner | amset:/home# ssh 109.230.233.119 |
| 00:35.33 | streuner | sshc: connect to host 109.230.233.119 port 22: Connection refused |
| 00:35.34 | slidesinger | I've been using xcdroast for years without ever having an issue AND it supports the CD paranoia libraries. |
| 00:35.41 | Gm4n | zhxk: port closed |
| 00:35.57 | streuner | zhxk: connection refused |
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| 00:36.42 | zhxk | thanks |
| 00:37.03 | streuner | zhxk: did you alter the port for sshd? ;-) |
| 00:37.38 | zhxk | port closed? meaning it ever opened? |
| 00:38.27 | streuner | 22 is default, but some people just change that... |
| 00:38.32 | Gm4n | port closed means that sshd (or another program) isn't listening on the port |
| 00:38.44 | Gm4n | is there any way to tell cron not to complain about failed children to the logs? |
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| 00:40.32 | streuner | <zhxk> port closed? meaning it ever opened? |
| 00:40.39 | streuner | dpkg, closing ports |
| 00:40.39 | dpkg | <greycat> Whenever a newbie talks about "opening" or "closing" ports, you're in for a hell of a time helping it to unlearn whatever fucked-up concepts it's picked up. |
| 00:41.37 | streuner | You shouldnt be care much |
| 00:41.49 | robin_sz | sigh ... |
| 00:42.07 | robin_sz | an evening spent trying to get MySQL workbench to compile .. and failed. |
| 00:42.15 | robin_sz | :( |
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| 00:42.58 | robin_sz | I see windows in my future :( |
| 00:43.16 | Gm4n | is "closed" the wrong term for a tcp port that responds with a NACK to a SYN? |
| 00:43.44 | nsadmin | the port probably doesn't "respond", the machine does |
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| 00:44.15 | robin_sz | depends ... |
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| 00:44.29 | robin_sz | does it not respond at all? |
| 00:44.52 | robin_sz | silently dropping the packet is not the same as closed really |
| 00:44.55 | streuner | robin_sz: there are two kinds of people |
| 00:45.20 | streuner | those who are your enemies and those who dont... |
| 00:45.34 | Gm4n | nsadmin: technicalities aside (yes, it's the machine responding to a TCP request to a specific port), is "closed" considered the wrong terminology? |
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| 00:46.21 | charly1 | evening peeps |
| 00:46.36 | salieri | "but few of these [linux distros] let the user create XFS for the /boot filesystems due to deficiencies and unpredictable behavior in GRUB" |
| 00:46.45 | robin_sz | streuner, i prefer to think of it as "those who got some database dev work done, and those who became frustrated trying to complile packages from source instead" .. but, ymmv ;) |
| 00:46.46 | salieri | hrm is this still a problem on lenny? |
| 00:47.17 | dondelelcaro | salieri: there's really no reason to have a /boot which is xfs |
| 00:47.26 | robin_sz | anyway, im off to bed, I'll spend some more time on it 2mrw |
| 00:47.37 | dondelelcaro | salieri: you might as well stay with ext2 or maybe ext3, which is unlikely to cause you any problems |
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| 00:48.12 | dondelelcaro | (but yes, having /boot be something other than bog-standard can cause interesting issues) |
| 00:48.23 | salieri | hrm. |
| 00:48.49 | salieri | where do these issues crop up? |
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| 00:49.43 | dondelelcaro | salieri: when it's trying to read the filesystem to load the kernel, initrd, configuration, etc. |
| 00:50.33 | salieri | even on totally vanilla hardware? (no raid, nothing special) |
| 00:51.09 | dondelelcaro | salieri: if support for XFS in grub isn't complete, sure. |
| 00:51.21 | dondelelcaro | I don't know if it is or isn't, but it's certainly a more exotic filesystem |
| 00:52.35 | CompWizrd | i'd say "works for me" but grub is still kinda tempermental.. sometimes i have to install lilo to get the system startable and then go on and figure out why grub wouldn't install |
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| 00:53.39 | dondelelcaro | personally, I'd have a separate /boot that was ext3, then a / which was whatever filesystem was appropriate (probably ext3), then /srv or similar as whatever exotic filesystem I wanted |
| 00:54.01 | CompWizrd | squeeze appears to work, i used a stable netinst and pointed it at the squeeze files, since netinst iso's for testing were nonbootable that day, and that one is xfs on raid1 |
| 00:54.03 | CompWizrd | software |
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| 00:54.11 | salieri | yeah normally i'd just ext4 it all or 3 or whatever it is now |
| 00:54.35 | cesurasean | can someone assist me to diagnose this problem? Tue Oct 5 18:06:23 2010: Turning on quotas...quotaon: cannot find //aquota.group on /dev/disk/by-uuid/49a875c5-7a8b-4491-b737-e4685f715661 [/] |
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| 00:55.57 | salieri | heh oh this is funny; so there is this value called RLIMIT_NPROC which is the max num of processes a uid can use. |
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| 00:56.32 | dondelelcaro | cesurasean: you haven't created that file with touch or similar. |
| 00:56.32 | salieri | so if you run RLIMIT_NPROC -1 processes in the background and then a process that suid's root then suids back to your uid (like i think passwd(?)) |
| 00:56.44 | salieri | the suid back to you will fail. and hopefully the program will check the return value |
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| 00:57.17 | salieri | waaacky. |
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| 01:07.54 | cesurasean | i touched that file, and reenabled quota, no cigar |
| 01:08.01 | cesurasean | dondelelcaro, any other ideas? |
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| 01:15.17 | LinuxGuy2009 | Where do I go to check the outstanding bugs for a given package? |
| 01:17.09 | salieri | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=debian-installer;dist=unstable |
| 01:17.10 | salieri | ? |
| 01:17.45 | jhutchins_lt2 | LinuxGuy2009: I think you can do http://bugs.debian.org/<package> |
| 01:17.46 | dondelelcaro | cesurasean: what does quotaon /; report? |
| 01:18.02 | LinuxGuy2009 | jhutchins_lt2: Cool thank you. |
| 01:18.46 | jhutchins_lt2 | LinuxGuy2009: salieri's format works too. |
| 01:18.48 | salieri | yeah you can even add ;dist= |
| 01:18.54 | salieri | for stable/unstable/etc |
| 01:19.23 | CompWizrd | backport bugs are still handled in the mailing lists though, correct? |
| 01:19.28 | jhutchins_lt2 | cesurasean: Why don't you just hire one of us to take care of these things for you? |
| 01:20.44 | cesurasean | quotaon: cannot find //aquota.group on /dev/disk/by-uuid/49a875c5-7a8b-4491-b737-e4685f715661 [/] ; ive already explained this. |
| 01:20.51 | cesurasean | how do i fix it? |
| 01:20.53 | LinuxGuy2009 | Im wondering is there any way to modify an APTonCD iso image so that when the CD is later added as a source, it will ask for the disc name instead of adding all discs made with that program to be called all the same like APTonCD <date-made> or whatever. |
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| 01:21.33 | salieri | heh man |
| 01:22.43 | nsadmin | LinuxGuy2009 that -is- the disk name... sharpie it onto the front side of the disk |
| 01:23.16 | magyar | I have poweredge servers and dell releases bin scripts updates for REDHAT. Anyone tried running these scripts? |
| 01:23.26 | dondelelcaro | cesurasean: by touching that file, and then turning on the quota, or using quotacheck or quotatool to create it |
| 01:23.39 | dondelelcaro | cesurasean: pretty easy. There are howtos on how to configure quota. |
| 01:23.43 | cesurasean | ive already done that |
| 01:23.53 | cesurasean | did you not see my output i pasted? |
| 01:24.09 | LinuxGuy2009 | nsadmin: Isnt there a file its read from that I can just edit? |
| 01:24.10 | cesurasean | lemme repost, maybe i didn't post it |
| 01:25.53 | Bushmills | magyar, most likely, the red hat software testers did |
| 01:26.16 | Bushmills | so did - probably - the testers at Dell |
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| 01:28.30 | cesurasean | here is the output ; http://pastebin.com/zayZZYnV |
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| 01:40.00 | echosystm | is there any rough ETA for debian 6? |
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| 01:40.29 | antivigilante | how do I create linux-kbuild |
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| 01:41.21 | salieri | echosystm: nope |
| 01:41.32 | salieri | but c'mon it's debian :-P |
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| 01:43.13 | Bushmills | echosystm, extrapolate http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/timeline/916d4e7b458bdd8bf441208daa5f87b6.png |
| 01:43.17 | echosystm | so no one has any rough idea when we are likely to see it? |
| 01:44.40 | salieri | in the year 2525 |
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| 01:45.03 | salieri | heh seriously tho you'll go crazy trying to anticipate it |
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| 01:45.17 | salieri | i think i went nuts waiting for woody |
| 01:45.39 | salieri | infact i went so nuts i started using winxp |
| 01:45.43 | Bushmills | if you can wait, wait. if you can't, run testing. |
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| 01:45.56 | salieri | and if you want lambas in gcc run unstable |
| 01:46.02 | salieri | mmm. |
| 01:46.04 | Bushmills | the exact "when" is then pretty irrelevant |
| 01:46.12 | echosystm | well, i need to set up a new server and i dont want to run testing (for stability reasons) |
| 01:46.23 | Bushmills | so, run stable |
| 01:46.24 | echosystm | however, i also dont want ot install debian 5 since it will be EOL soon |
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| 01:46.29 | echosystm | cant win! |
| 01:46.30 | Bushmills | then wait |
| 01:46.37 | salieri | to be fair right the only reason i run testing is to pull in flash not from backports. |
| 01:46.43 | salieri | er |
| 01:46.49 | salieri | just dist-upgrade |
| 01:46.54 | salieri | and follow the upgrade isns |
| 01:47.18 | salieri | can't be any worse than solaris :-P |
| 01:48.07 | echosystm | considering that squeeze has been frozen |
| 01:48.17 | echosystm | do you think testing would be reasonably stable? |
| 01:49.07 | echosystm | or is it common for packages to get replaced etc. even after a freeze? |
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| 01:49.49 | salieri | i run testing |
| 01:49.53 | salieri | and it's fine for me |
| 01:50.19 | Bushmills | more updates are likely, but there weren't massive number of updates recently |
| 01:50.19 | salieri | but i'm not doing raids or crazy services or have 10,000,000 web hits per picosecond with a lamp/mysql cluster |
| 01:50.36 | salieri | what is your server going to do |
| 01:50.57 | salieri | i mean right even if squeeze were stable tomorrow i wouldn't run it/install it for at least a month |
| 01:50.59 | salieri | just to "be sure" |
| 01:51.05 | salieri | on mission critical stuff i mean |
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| 01:52.12 | Bushmills | are consumer grade CPUs suited for mission critical stuff? |
| 01:52.21 | salieri | this should be a drinking game, every time Bushmills answers a question i should drink a shot |
| 01:52.40 | Bushmills | i asked a question now. no drink for you |
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| 01:53.08 | salieri | depends on the mission - it's all about what the task demands |
| 01:53.15 | ksx4system | @Bushmills: AMD ones are ok :) |
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| 01:53.28 | Bushmills | well, stable after a week would be too |
| 01:53.41 | salieri | oh hey how is debian on them newfangled atom thingies |
| 01:54.03 | Bushmills | on my old atom (Z270) it works allright |
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| 01:54.25 | mmandrille | hey people :D |
| 01:55.02 | mmandrille | im working in a little problem with openbox, but cant access to their channel, do you have any idea to make me get in? |
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| 01:56.04 | thepro4ever | does debian use rpm? |
| 01:56.12 | salieri | you can use rpm with the alien package |
| 01:56.17 | thepro4ever | huh |
| 01:56.21 | XayOn | thepro4ever: No, it uses deb. It can install rpm or convert them with alien |
| 01:56.25 | Bushmills | thepro4ever, no, it runs on CPU cycles |
| 01:56.28 | salieri | so basically you would go alien <rpm options> foo.rpm |
| 01:56.41 | echosystm | salieri: i'm setting up a server at home to replace all my networking gear and run everything in VMs |
| 01:56.44 | thepro4ever | Bushmills: sometimes you save me, sometimes you kill me |
| 01:56.49 | echosystm | i really dont want it to go down.... ever |
| 01:56.55 | Bushmills | those are measured in MHz, not in rpm |
| 01:56.59 | salieri | dude i booted debian on my difference engine, it really has rpms |
| 01:56.59 | XayOn | mmandrille: Well, you need to be invited by someone inside, guess it's just for devs or something |
| 01:57.04 | echosystm | or i'll lose internet, files, dns, life in general |
| 01:57.23 | Bushmills | actually, in mips, or gips |
| 01:57.29 | salieri | echosystm: ok here's my thing, if you don't install it now, you'll wait and wait and wait |
| 01:57.37 | salieri | and murphy's law will make the wait even longer |
| 01:57.41 | salieri | for you... |
| 01:57.42 | salieri | ..and me |
| 01:57.44 | salieri | so just do it now |
| 01:57.50 | mmandrille | XayOn, i understand... so im fuck up? :P |
| 01:57.51 | salieri | upgrade it later with apt-get dist upgrade |
| 01:57.56 | echosystm | ok |
| 01:57.58 | salieri | and follow the instructions |
| 01:58.11 | XayOn | mmandrille: dunno, ask on their lists or fill a bug or something. |
| 01:58.24 | mmandrille | oks! thanks XayOn |
| 01:58.32 | salieri | mmandrille: wait for server split and grab chanops |
| 01:58.32 | PingJockey | anyone else having issues with the debian repos in the US? |
| 01:58.39 | salieri | what issues |
| 01:59.39 | salieri | oh ha, then again my sources.list is going to belgium. man i must've been drunk when i did this |
| 01:59.40 | mmandrille | salieri, hahahaa, thanks for the advise... but i really dont wanna lose my life for a autostart.sh problem hahahahaha |
| 01:59.48 | PingJockey | im doing a net install and it it taking forever to install |
| 01:59.57 | PingJockey | longer then ususal |
| 01:59.58 | Bushmills | echosystm, it's not clear why - given the great threat - you don't install stable now |
| 02:00.24 | PingJockey | oh well |
| 02:00.27 | echosystm | ive had bad experiences dist-upgrading |
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| 02:00.47 | echosystm | and, considering that d5 will be EOL soon, i really dont want to reinstall the whole thing in 6 months |
| 02:01.22 | salieri | "soon" |
| 02:01.23 | Bushmills | install testing, and debootstrap a stable chroot |
| 02:01.34 | dondelelcaro | echosystm: you don't reinstall. You upgrade. |
| 02:01.34 | salieri | ok i keep haering this term today |
| 02:01.38 | salieri | what is this debootstrap |
| 02:01.43 | dondelelcaro | !debootstrap |
| 02:01.43 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
| 02:01.45 | salieri | or yeah just install testing for now |
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| 02:01.57 | salieri | huh. |
| 02:02.03 | salieri | this some new fangled thingy |
| 02:02.08 | Bushmills | no |
| 02:02.10 | dondelelcaro | no, it's ancient |
| 02:02.12 | salieri | oh |
| 02:02.15 | istevenmon | hello guys anyone knows if uCARP supports ip load balancing ? |
| 02:02.21 | salieri | is from the potato era |
| 02:02.34 | Bushmills | noob |
| 02:02.39 | Bushmills | :P |
| 02:02.41 | salieri | yah i am |
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| 02:02.57 | salieri | no i do ask noobish questions cuz i went from potato->lenny |
| 02:03.06 | salieri | the culture shift alone is weird |
| 02:03.24 | salieri | i mean not having to put in Hz loadlins and stuff |
| 02:03.29 | salieri | and praying X would work |
| 02:03.31 | dondelelcaro | salieri: it came out right after potato when we replaced base.tar.gz |
| 02:03.37 | salieri | ah nod. |
| 02:03.45 | salieri | wait so back to echosystm's problem |
| 02:03.51 | salieri | won't installing testing as is right now work |
| 02:03.55 | salieri | and as testing becomes stable |
| 02:03.58 | salieri | sorry i mean "squeeze" |
| 02:04.10 | salieri | so that his lines in sources.list read "squeeze" |
| 02:04.14 | salieri | as squeeze turns into stable |
| 02:04.23 | salieri | won't that automagically keep him "on the right track?" |
| 02:04.32 | dondelelcaro | salieri: first off, you want to avoid overusing enter |
| 02:05.09 | dondelelcaro | the current problem with using testing right now (and testing always) is that security support for testing is a best-effort, and is a second-class citizen to stable |
| 02:05.33 | dondelelcaro | testing is also constantly changing, and so you have to keep upgrading your system constantly, which is problematic if you're using it in production |
| 02:05.55 | salieri | i noticed when i apt-get update my testing system there are a lot more lines being updated and differed than my stable system. |
| 02:06.12 | dondelelcaro | salieri: testing gets new packages twice a day, and will up until we release |
| 02:06.34 | dondelelcaro | (in theory, those should only be fixes for bugs since we've frozen, but that's not necessarily the case) |
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| 02:09.55 | salieri | echosystm: so wait your "server" is actually going to be a network hub natd/firewall and a vbox machine? |
| 02:10.16 | echosystm | think of it as a router with xen/kvm on it |
| 02:11.03 | salieri | ok yeah i think you might want the sec updates from stable then. hrm you could.... make a seperate /home partition and put your data on there so if you have to reinstall you can still have your work |
| 02:11.04 | dondelelcaro | echosystm: I'd actually strongly suggest separating the router from the machine running xen/kvm. [You can get by with a shiva plug or similar low power device] |
| 02:11.05 | echosystm | internet comes in on one ethernet port, which then splits out to a "safe" network (with my PCs) and an "unsafe" network (servers with ports forwarded etc.) |
| 02:11.27 | dondelelcaro | (but whatever works) |
| 02:11.29 | echosystm | sheevaplugs have too many problems - they die within 8 months due to the power supplies being low quality |
| 02:11.32 | salieri | i'm with dondelelcaro: my power bill dropped nicely when i ditched the PII-300 as a router |
| 02:11.57 | dondelelcaro | echosystm: oh, it doesn't have to be a sheevaplug; slugs will work too |
| 02:12.12 | echosystm | dondelelcaro: the xen/kvm machine will be running VMs on both the safe and unsafe networks |
| 02:12.22 | salieri | ah dmz |
| 02:12.39 | dondelelcaro | echosystm: that's fine; you can vlan to do that, or use two interfaces, or whatever |
| 02:12.42 | salieri | man you seeting up a home pentesting arena or something? :-P |
| 02:13.01 | echosystm | hmm |
| 02:13.41 | echosystm | i didnt think of vlans |
| 02:13.48 | echosystm | that might be a lot nicer actually |
| 02:14.24 | dondelelcaro | echosystm: yeah, the advantage is that you don't have a huge machine in your wiring closet (and presumably, you can turn off the huge machine from time to time) |
| 02:14.54 | Pavlz | the hard drive of my laptop is serious damaged, i need to do an immediately recovery |
| 02:15.06 | Pavlz | i can access only by shell |
| 02:15.48 | Pavlz | i need to save bookmarks that are on the browsers and to save passwords and account |
| 02:16.04 | Pavlz | is there a way by shell ? |
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| 02:18.21 | echosystm | dondelelcaro: essentially i want to set up a DMZ for torrents and all my dodgy stuff, and a safe network for my PCs and my lab gear |
| 02:18.31 | echosystm | i need to be able to run VMs on both the safe network and the DMZ |
| 02:18.36 | echosystm | how would you go abotu this personally? |
| 02:19.21 | echosystm | i'd rather have all the VMs on one box, to save power |
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| 02:19.38 | echosystm | similarly, i'd like to rackmount as much as possible and minimise cabling... |
| 02:19.51 | echosystm | i've just got far too many computers :( |
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| 02:21.18 | dondelelcaro | echosystm: so yeah, I'd use VMs on the network, and just vlans, and then use the kvm routing to create apporpriate virtual devices on the right vlans |
| 02:21.52 | dondelelcaro | echosystm: then you can have the router which would send to both vlans or similar (or you could have separate physical networks if you wanted) |
| 02:22.30 | echosystm | hmm |
| 02:22.35 | echosystm | alrighty |
| 02:22.36 | echosystm | sounds good |
| 02:22.38 | echosystm | thanks :) |
| 02:23.53 | salieri | Pavlz: er just mount the drive on another box |
| 02:23.58 | salieri | and hope the corruption isn't too bad |
| 02:24.02 | PingJockey | oh snap! there is a UT repo! |
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| 02:24.21 | dondelelcaro | echosystm: np; good luck with that |
| 02:24.45 | salieri | man i remember cheap electricity |
| 02:25.02 | dondelelcaro | it's only going to get more expensive |
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| 02:26.56 | salieri | "the era of cheap energy is over" nobue tanaka |
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| 02:37.59 | atula | hello. is there a guide that #debian use for getting samba assist in creating a printserver? I've read through a few articles on google, but I'm afraid I might be mislead somewhere. thanks for the help. |
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| 02:38.21 | atula | (access denied error when I add printer on windows) |
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| 02:42.22 | dondelelcaro | atula: what does your /etc/samba/smb.cnf look like? |
| 02:42.34 | dondelelcaro | (I'm actually disapearing, but we'll need to see that) |
| 02:42.45 | atula | okay. I will paste |
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| 02:45.05 | atula | here is my smb.conf: http://pastie.org/private/lyqnwj0c5wb00jj9zr8dxw |
| 02:45.08 | atula | can someone give me a hand ? |
| 02:45.09 | atula | thanks |
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| 02:46.38 | karlpinc | atula: When I get an access denied it's been because I didn't do a "net join" on the MS Windows box. (Which somehow only ever needs to be run once.) This could be totally off-base. I always poke samba with a stick until it works. |
| 02:47.00 | karlpinc | atula: I find the samba wiki at samba.org useful. |
| 02:47.09 | atula | yeah. wndows box is in same network... it sees the printer too |
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| 02:49.15 | karlpinc | atula: You've looked in the logs? |
| 02:49.54 | karlpinc | atula: Does it work from other computers? Can you use smbspool to print something? |
| 02:50.26 | atula | okay, I'm not really sure here. I'll take a look at the log first and see |
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| 02:52.05 | atula | karlpinc: the error I am seeing is unable to connect to cups server at port 631 I believe |
| 02:52.41 | karlpinc | atula: Is cups installed and working? Can you print with lpr? |
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| 02:53.40 | atula | cups is installed |
| 02:53.46 | atula | I dont' know how to print from linux to be honest |
| 02:53.51 | atula | never done it from terminal |
| 02:53.53 | karlpinc | atula: Did you configure a printer? |
| 02:54.15 | karlpinc | atula: "lpr /etc/groups" |
| 02:54.19 | atula | my smb.conf is here: http://pastie.org/private/lyqnwj0c5wb00jj9zr8dxw |
| 02:54.25 | karlpinc | atula: "lpq -a" |
| 02:54.36 | karlpinc | atula: Did you configure a printer in cups? |
| 02:54.53 | atula | lpq not found... and I barely configured much with cups |
| 02:55.00 | atula | I thought it was a samba issue so I've been looking at that |
| 02:55.14 | atula | okay. I will take it slow... and take a step back |
| 02:55.21 | atula | to get the printer working, I need to set up both samba and cups |
| 02:55.23 | atula | correct? |
| 02:55.38 | karlpinc | atula: Right. Open a browser and go to http://localhost:631/ |
| 02:55.44 | atula | I need to set up the printer with cups and share the printer with samba, right ? |
| 02:55.49 | karlpinc | atula: Right. |
| 02:55.56 | atula | okay. that's a good start. |
| 02:56.02 | atula | lemme install lpr and lpq |
| 02:56.09 | karlpinc | atula: No. That comes with cups. |
| 02:56.28 | atula | cups is install but I can't run that command |
| 02:57.22 | karlpinc | atula: It's a web url. You use a browser to configure cups. Do you have a gui on the box or is it console only? |
| 02:57.37 | atula | it's only console. |
| 02:57.40 | atula | I try to stay lean |
| 02:57.44 | atula | it's a home server heh |
| 02:57.46 | karlpinc | atula: No worries. |
| 02:58.42 | karlpinc | atula: What does "netstat -ltn | grep 631" say? |
| 02:59.14 | atula | both are listening |
| 02:59.23 | atula | on the loopback and ::1:631 |
| 03:00.06 | karlpinc | atula: If you've no browser, you want to open cups to the rest of your network so you can configure it. You can always close the port later. (You could use a text based browser, but why?) |
| 03:00.11 | atula | let me read a tutorial and set up cups |
| 03:00.19 | karlpinc | atula: Hang on. |
| 03:00.34 | atula | heh. no X window on this. |
| 03:00.41 | atula | lemme get the cups config file back to defaul t |
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| 03:02.12 | MrRenegade | Q. Say i have a special script that I need to have launch automaticly on server start with X username how exactly would I go about doing that? |
| 03:02.52 | salieri | "printers are the devil's only friend" |
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| 03:05.22 | karlpinc | MrRenegade: /etc/rc.local and su? |
| 03:06.51 | MrRenegade | but now will that only run when the user logs in? |
| 03:06.58 | nsadmin | at boot. |
| 03:07.04 | nsadmin | not at login. |
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| 03:07.24 | MrRenegade | so does it need to be run as a special user or no? |
| 03:07.39 | nsadmin | you have provided no info about that |
| 03:07.46 | MrRenegade | sweet ok |
| 03:07.47 | karlpinc | MrRenegade: It's run as root. If you want it to run as another user, use su to to run it that way. |
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| 03:08.03 | salieri | can't he suid the script |
| 03:08.24 | nsadmin | suiding scripts is a bad idea generally |
| 03:08.26 | karlpinc | salieri: Sure, but that can be insecure to leave lying about. Better to use su. |
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| 03:08.54 | salieri | oh i wasn't sure he wanted to give su to the user in question |
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| 03:09.10 | karlpinc | salieri: He'd use su as root to become the user in question. |
| 03:09.26 | tidao | æ说ä¸æçå |
| 03:09.46 | salieri | the last thing on there is ma |
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| 03:10.04 | MrRenegade | the main purpose of this is i have a customized application that needs to run on server boot only thing that may worrie me is how exactly would i if need be kill it? |
| 03:10.14 | karlpinc | !cn |
| 03:10.14 | dpkg | i heard cn is China, or for help in chinese please join irc.oftc.net #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读 |
| 03:11.05 | tidao | china |
| 03:11.07 | karlpinc | MrRenegade: Use kill? |
| 03:11.13 | karlpinc | !tell tidao about cn |
| 03:11.16 | atula | karlpinc: |
| 03:11.30 | atula | karlpinc: hello. sorry about that. I am able to browse to it from my other computer |
| 03:11.39 | atula | except when I click on Administration I get 403 |
| 03:11.43 | atula | :) at least one step forward |
| 03:11.45 | karlpinc | atula: Ok, so configure a new printer. |
| 03:11.46 | tidao | debian ï¼ |
| 03:11.53 | karlpinc | !cn |
| 03:11.53 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, cn is China, or for help in chinese please join irc.oftc.net #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读 |
| 03:12.02 | tidao | !cn ? |
| 03:12.02 | dpkg | [cn] China, or for help in chinese please join irc.oftc.net #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读 |
| 03:12.03 | MrRenegade | well the script I wish to add to launch on boot does have a start stop and restart functionality built into it would it be posable for it to still kill the program even after its run as root on the bootup? |
| 03:12.29 | tidao | ææ¯å |
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| 03:13.34 | karlpinc | MrRenegade: Is this what you need to know? zless /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.runlevels |
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| 03:14.22 | karlpinc | MrRenegade: You'd kill it when you're root. Or write a sysv startup script to start/stop it. |
| 03:15.21 | MrRenegade | ahhhh so many options! |
| 03:15.25 | salieri | killall will kill it |
| 03:15.40 | salieri | yeah it's all about many different ways to do things |
| 03:15.59 | MrRenegade | ok but say i need it to restart and not restart the server |
| 03:16.41 | istevenmon | i wish ucarp would work the same as openbsd carp |
| 03:16.57 | karlpinc | MrRenegade: You manually kill it and re-run it. Or send it it's restart signal with kill. Or write sysv scripts.... |
| 03:17.11 | karlpinc | istevenmon: How is it different? |
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| 03:17.50 | MrRenegade | hmmm |
| 03:18.03 | MrRenegade | lots to play with now and much testing to be done thanks for the info guys |
| 03:18.09 | istevenmon | karlpinc: it doesnt support load balancing |
| 03:18.20 | istevenmon | openbsd carp supports arp and ip balancing |
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| 03:19.39 | karlpinc | istevenmon: Out of curiousity, do they otherwise interoperate? Why not use OpenBSD? |
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| 03:21.50 | atula | karlpinc: problem, I don't have the ppd file for my printer :/ |
| 03:21.58 | atula | HP has a hplip though |
| 03:22.16 | karlpinc | atula: You don't always need it. |
| 03:22.16 | atula | should I download hte hplip and run it ? |
| 03:22.42 | karlpinc | atula: Dunno. What printer? |
| 03:22.53 | atula | HP photosmart d5160 |
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| 03:23.16 | atula | choices I have is hp color laster jet series, deskjet series and laserjet series |
| 03:23.48 | karlpinc | atula: There's gotta be a debian way.... |
| 03:24.13 | cesurasean | peek-a-boo! |
| 03:24.15 | atula | that's what I like to hear... but not finding one on google searches here |
| 03:24.19 | karlpinc | hates printers |
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| 03:25.41 | karlpinc | atula: Let's see what linuxprinting.org says. |
| 03:28.02 | karlpinc | atula: How about installing foomatic-filters-ppds? |
| 03:28.13 | atula | I could try |
| 03:28.20 | atula | is that something Ic ould download from the net ? |
| 03:28.59 | karlpinc | atula: It's a debian package. But see it's description before installing, it suggests a more lightweight approach. |
| 03:29.08 | karlpinc | s/it's/its |
| 03:29.10 | atula | I will just apt get it then it should update in browser ? |
| 03:29.11 | atula | oh I see |
| 03:29.37 | atula | woh woh |
| 03:29.46 | atula | apt-cache search for foomatic turn up others |
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| 03:30.02 | atula | hpijs... foomatic-db-hpijs |
| 03:30.25 | atula | then there's openprinting-ppds |
| 03:30.38 | atula | should I just install one of those packages and hope for the best ? |
| 03:30.43 | atula | karlpinc: ^ |
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| 03:30.46 | karlpinc | atula: The foomatic-filters-ppds desc also says you can download individual ppds. I prefer working with packages and the package manager. |
| 03:31.20 | karlpinc | atula: What about following it's recommendations and installing foomatic-db-engine and running foomatic-configurek? |
| 03:31.28 | karlpinc | s/k?/?/ |
| 03:32.04 | atula | wow. I just did apt-get install foomatic-filters-ppds and there's a TON of stuff |
| 03:32.11 | atula | which is fine... right? |
| 03:32.12 | atula | heh |
| 03:32.31 | karlpinc | atula: Sure, about 5M. Does not matter if you don't care about the disk space. |
| 03:32.35 | atula | it's probably good to have all drivers in case I buy a new one |
| 03:32.53 | atula | no no... After this operation, 226MB of additional disk space will be used |
| 03:33.00 | atula | hehe. that's no mere 10MB |
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| 03:33.36 | atula | xfonts... cupdsddk etc. |
| 03:33.44 | dz2 | what the name of a good jabber client? |
| 03:33.46 | atula | I think it's because I haven't had any of these things on my machine that's why |
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| 03:34.29 | atula | I will install and see what comes out |
| 03:34.32 | karlpinc | atula: aptitude/apt is also installing all recommended packages as well by default these days. Disk is cheap and it avoids problems when some desired feature is missing and you don't know why. |
| 03:35.07 | atula | yeah. not a problem with me. I got 80GB of space + a raid 1 of 1 TB for other data... |
| 03:35.14 | atula | it's just a home server I'm trying to put together |
| 03:35.41 | karlpinc | atula: FYI, if you've more than 1 debian box check out apt-cacher. |
| 03:35.52 | atula | nope. just MAC + Windows |
| 03:36.04 | atula | the debian box is like ahome server/home development environment for me |
| 03:36.14 | karlpinc | atula: Note that you do not need to get samba running. Cups is a standard and you can print directly to it. YMMV. |
| 03:36.18 | atula | I code on mac and windows |
| 03:36.28 | atula | oh ? |
| 03:36.44 | atula | as in I could just add it directly with my computer ? |
| 03:37.58 | karlpinc | atula: You have to have cups listening, which you do, and you have to tell it who's got permission to do what. (IIRC the "Browse" directive.) |
| 03:38.39 | karlpinc | atula: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Printing_Protocol |
| 03:38.42 | atula | oh. so that's why samba is cooler |
| 03:38.58 | atula | it will allow me to share easier |
| 03:39.40 | karlpinc | atula: No. Samba is just bug-for-bug compatible with MS Windows file sharing/printing/et-al. You have to tell samba the same sorts of things, but its default config assumes you want to share whereas cups is locked down by default. |
| 03:40.08 | karlpinc | atula: Cups will only get you printing anyhow. I assume you want file sharing as well. |
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| 03:40.27 | atula | oh I have file sharing running on samba |
| 03:40.34 | atula | simple.. dump the drive out sort of thing |
| 03:40.43 | atula | okay. added printer on the browser ui |
| 03:40.51 | karlpinc | atula: Print a test page. |
| 03:41.02 | karlpinc | atula: (in the browser) |
| 03:41.07 | atula | Oooooooooooooooooooh it's printing :) |
| 03:41.09 | atula | wife is excited |
| 03:41.11 | atula | so am I :) |
| 03:41.25 | atula | hoho. |
| 03:41.30 | karlpinc | atula: Maybe your samba printing will work now too. |
| 03:42.04 | karlpinc | atula: You may also want to check out sane and xsane, at least for the mac. |
| 03:42.49 | karlpinc | atula: Remember. Read the logs. (tail -f is your friend) dmesg is occasionally helpful as well. |
| 03:43.04 | atula | cool. |
| 03:43.13 | atula | I think as long as cups is running I'm 1 step further |
| 03:43.17 | atula | will look into samba |
| 03:43.21 | atula | tomorrow night :) |
| 03:43.27 | atula | thank you for the love |
| 03:43.31 | karlpinc | atula: Ah, press the button. Be bold! |
| 03:43.51 | atula | haha |
| 03:44.25 | atula | I am adding it but windows is asking for driver |
| 03:44.35 | atula | I hear there's a way to have the driver be hosted on the server |
| 03:45.05 | karlpinc | atula: The driver is on the server. Tell it it's a postscript printer. (?) |
| 03:46.47 | karlpinc | atula: (Although I think you can go the other way as well and have the processing be done on the client. But then you need drivers everywhere.) |
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| 03:51.32 | karlpinc | atula: My clients print postscript to a beefy box, via samba I think, which then proceses the postscript and spools it, eventually sending the result, via cups, to the slow box sitting next to me to which the printer is attached. |
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| 03:52.58 | atula | hehe. that sounds complicated for now |
| 03:53.48 | atula | karlpinc: do you see anything wrong with my printer's config? this is my smb.conf : http://pastie.org/private/lyqnwj0c5wb00jj9zr8dxw |
| 03:55.08 | karlpinc | atula: If it's the same as before, unless you allow "guest" then (maybe, I'm pretty clueless) you need to first authenticate (via the "net" command) before you can use the printer? ?? |
| 03:55.39 | karlpinc | atula: What do the logs say? |
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| 03:56.18 | atula | Unable to get jobs for ipp://localhost/printers/HPD5160 - client-error-not-found |
| 03:56.24 | atula | I think it has something to do with my naming |
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| 03:56.59 | karlpinc | atula: That's quite possible. Avoid spaces in names, save them for the descriptions. Just make a new printer and delete the old. |
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| 03:59.49 | MrRenegade | ok run into large problem. this script is based on the function of using the screen command however command screen is not found?!? |
| 04:00.21 | karlpinc | MrRenegade: aptitude install screen |
| 04:00.45 | MrRenegade | facepalms self |
| 04:02.14 | MrRenegade | yay script works :D |
| 04:02.22 | karlpinc | MrRenegade: You may benefit from the docs found in: /msg dpkg grounding |
| 04:02.31 | salieri | screen's a great tool |
| 04:02.54 | salieri | you'll probably want to customize the .screenrc at some point tho; i'll have to hand it to ubuntu , the default screen ui is good on it |
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| 04:04.55 | karlpinc | salieri: You will definately want to customize the interface; if you use emacs it's unusable out of the box. |
| 04:05.12 | salieri | yeah i have a pretty custom vimrc |
| 04:05.24 | karlpinc | salieri: He's probably using it to monitor serial lines. |
| 04:05.50 | salieri | ah, normally i've seen it used to hold open irc sessions heh |
| 04:06.02 | atula | in config file, ; is default and # is comment, right ? |
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| 04:06.34 | salieri | which config |
| 04:06.41 | atula | smb.conf |
| 04:06.42 | salieri | ; is a comment in scheme :-P |
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| 04:06.43 | salieri | ah |
| 04:06.57 | atula | so I need to remove ; to makes it work ? |
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| 04:07.50 | MrRenegade | actuly what the script that i'm running is doing is running 5 diffrent server sessions 2 being KillingFloor and the other 3 are a CS:S TF2 and GMOD server |
| 04:09.21 | salieri | dunno what those are |
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| 04:10.12 | MrRenegade | Game Servers |
| 04:10.43 | MrRenegade | Games that are provided by Steam which is a content delivery system for gaming |
| 04:10.43 | thepro4ever | is there a common directory in debian that developers due their development work from? for instance I am manually compiling and installing SDL and I want to start sticking all stuff like this in a common place to link against |
| 04:11.20 | salieri | er... on systems i don't have root on i install stuff in my homedir |
| 04:11.45 | karlpinc | thepro4ever: Otherwise probably /srv. See the fhs (/msg dpkg fhs). |
| 04:11.47 | salieri | other than that, the bsd convention is /usr/local/.... but i think sys5 is /opt/pkg/... |
| 04:12.03 | karlpinc | salieri: /opt is evil. |
| 04:12.10 | salieri | what is this /srv thing, i don't recall it at all... when'd it come around (ya i see what it says about /srv in the installer) |
| 04:12.12 | thepro4ever | ls |
| 04:12.35 | salieri | they really should port "man hiear" from bsd to linux, it's kinda useful for this sort of thing |
| 04:12.40 | karlpinc | salieri: Somewhere more than 5 years ago in the fhs. |
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| 04:13.14 | karlpinc | salieri: All I know is the linux man pages suck compared to openbsd. But then there's more of them. :) |
| 04:13.47 | salieri | last i recall i sent in a bug rept when O_NOFOLLOW on dirs wasn't doc'd properly in the open manpage |
| 04:14.01 | salieri | (tho is was done properly in obsd) but yeah. agreed. |
| 04:14.02 | MrRenegade | ok now with the rc.local how exactly do i add a line in that file to launch a remote script? |
| 04:14.28 | karlpinc | salieri: People used to use directories in /home, or /var/. |
| 04:14.45 | salieri | var? wth?! |
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| 04:14.51 | MrRenegade | so just /scripts/scriptname start ? |
| 04:14.53 | salieri | var is for logs. end of story |
| 04:14.55 | karlpinc | MrRenegade: Is the script executable? Just put it's path in and it'll run. |
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| 04:15.17 | MrRenegade | yeah its already chmoded |
| 04:15.24 | karlpinc | salieri: Nah. /var is for writable stuff. Db content often goes there. |
| 04:15.25 | salieri | dont he need to name it S<number> |
| 04:15.38 | karlpinc | salieri: Not in rc.local. |
| 04:15.41 | salieri | yeah i mean it's for things that get written alot, like logs |
| 04:16.06 | karlpinc | salieri: Well, in theory the developers do write things. :-) |
| 04:16.14 | Texou | hi |
| 04:16.15 | MrRenegade | but the script does require a value to toss to the script eg start|stop|restart are acceptable variables |
| 04:16.45 | Texou | can you tell me how I can reset automatically grub2 on sid? I want it to reexamine all disks, systems, and regenerate a .cfg |
| 04:18.22 | karlpinc | MrRenegade: Then you've a full-blown sysv init script. Put it in /usr/local/etc/init.d, symlink it to /etc/init.d/ (with ln -s), and then make symlinks in your rcN.d directories. (Likely rc2.d) With K and S to start and stop. There's docs in the debian reference, found via debian.org. |
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| 04:19.00 | MrRenegade | falls out of chair |
| 04:19.11 | cesurasean | Can someone help me with this one? http://pastebin.com/SbkQAwcF |
| 04:19.13 | karlpinc | MrRenegade: The /usr/local/ part is strictly for your own sanity, so you can keep track of what's yours. |
| 04:20.07 | MrRenegade | wow ok didn't relize it would be this much |
| 04:20.17 | karlpinc | MrRenegade: Or, if you want to run from rc.local the put a line like "/usr/local/sbin/myscript start" in rc.local. |
| 04:20.23 | Texou | dont find doc :( |
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| 04:20.41 | cesurasean | or can someone help with this one? http://pastebin.com/DRuPuJMh |
| 04:21.04 | MrRenegade | Karlpinc i'm thinking i'll go for the last option |
| 04:21.10 | dsockwell | mrrenegade: there are init script templates that you can use that automatically keep track of PIDs and such for restarting |
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| 04:22.14 | karlpinc | dsockwell: He does not know that you put into a script file exactly what you would type at the prompt, so it's all a bit much for him. |
| 04:23.21 | karlpinc | MrRenegade: The only thing you need worry about is whether the $PATH is the same at boot as what you're assuming. Likely it is. |
| 04:24.39 | MrRenegade | hmm ok |
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| 04:25.10 | MrRenegade | i'm guessing screen has a doc about how to kill diffrent "screen sessions"? |
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| 04:27.28 | cesurasean | can someone help me with this grub error? how do i fix this? - http://pastebin.com/DRuPuJMh |
| 04:27.30 | dondelelcaro | MrRenegade: you can just reattach the session and kill all windows with C-a C-\ |
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| 04:30.31 | cesurasean | dondelelcaro, you mind taking a look at my pastebin? |
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| 04:31.55 | jpinx-eeepc | MrRenegade: Ctrl-a ? |
| 04:31.57 | FusionX | which iso-part should i download from here http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.6/i386/iso-cd/ ? |
| 04:32.28 | nsadmin | FusionX: what do you want to do? |
| 04:32.32 | MrRenegade | umm well i dunno i'm kinda working with another issue now and thats the damn server started and isn't connecting like its suppost to :P |
| 04:32.32 | dondelelcaro | cesurasean: what have you changed now? |
| 04:32.41 | MrRenegade | so automation on hold now |
| 04:32.42 | FusionX | nsadmin install debian |
| 04:32.54 | FusionX | nsadmin : i just want to give it a try. |
| 04:32.54 | nsadmin | try a netinst |
| 04:33.17 | nsadmin | do you have unpartitioned HD space? |
| 04:33.24 | FusionX | nsadmin : yes |
| 04:33.28 | nsadmin | what are you running now? |
| 04:33.33 | nsadmin | about how much? |
| 04:34.34 | cesurasean | facebook is broken. heh |
| 04:34.44 | cesurasean | dondelelcaro, this is another system that upgraded. this is the result. |
| 04:34.55 | cesurasean | it's not related to the other one. |
| 04:35.04 | nsadmin | I guess the movie was pretty effective in getting new people onto facebook |
| 04:35.12 | cesurasean | the third system looks even worse of shape |
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| 04:36.01 | cesurasean | nsadmin, i can almost bet that 99% of viewers of the movie have an account. |
| 04:36.45 | dondelelcaro | cesurasean: what in the world are you upgrading from on these systems? have you followed the release notes? |
| 04:37.51 | cesurasean | just normal stuff - nothing special? |
| 04:38.06 | cesurasean | do i need to reinstall grub, or what? |
| 04:39.10 | dondelelcaro | clearly not, becaues those aren't errors you would normally get. |
| 04:41.09 | FusionX | nsadmin : i don't want to install using netinst as i have a slow internet connection and i want to get all the files (necessary for installation) in one near 700MB .iso file, I'm kind of a beginner (not completely new) too. I've been using ubuntu since a month and try mostly to stick to the terminal for all my works. |
| 04:42.36 | cesurasean | dondelelcaro, well im getting them, and debian is producing them. :P |
| 04:42.39 | FusionX | nsadmin : i have 8.11 GB free space and i'm on windows XP now. |
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| 04:43.09 | mcurran | You don't deserve to be a linux user FusionX |
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| 04:44.02 | dondelelcaro | cesurasean: hardly; the previous errors I saw were because of configuration files which had been horribly misedited, and this is looking similar |
| 04:44.04 | cesurasean | how do i check the status of a bug? |
| 04:44.12 | dondelelcaro | cesurasean: bugs.debian.org/nnnn |
| 04:44.25 | nsadmin | kill and then dissect it? |
| 04:45.12 | nsadmin | FusionX: ok, cd 1 should have the installer on it |
| 04:45.51 | dondelelcaro | cesurasean: but anyway, if you want us to look at your grub bug, you'll need to give us the complete output, as well as your /boot/grub/grub.cfg, and the contents of /etc/grub.d/ |
| 04:45.56 | FusionX | ok and what about the other cd parts (2 - 31) |
| 04:46.07 | cesurasean | here is the bug ; http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=563822 |
| 04:46.36 | cesurasean | he, how do i do all of that if my system won't boot. :( |
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| 04:47.43 | skydrome | im using debian mint and the audio (im guessing its pulse) keeps dieing, is there a way to restart it? |
| 04:48.13 | cesurasean | is there a way to reinstall grub using grub rescue? |
| 04:48.21 | cesurasean | or do i need to go and chroot the system with livecd? |
| 04:49.06 | dondelelcaro | cesurasean: you don't need to reinstall grub. |
| 04:49.41 | cesurasean | how do i fix grub then? |
| 04:49.48 | cesurasean | i mean, why would it give such an error, anwyay? |
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| 04:51.55 | dondelelcaro | cesurasean: because whatever module you're trying to load is missing a symbol |
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| 05:03.10 | skydrome | well i solved my audio issue, by turning my speakers on :/ |
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| 05:08.29 | chovy | is there a way to install debian packages as an under-privileged user? |
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| 05:10.46 | chovy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:13.12 | salieri | that's been something i've wanted for years |
| 05:13.47 | salieri | but for that i just use tarballs and config --prefix=~/local/ |
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| 05:18.02 | Jam_ | I am using Debian 4 - does anyone know what version of Webmin is compatible with debian 4 |
| 05:18.16 | Jam_ | can the latest version of webmin (1.5x) be used with debian 4? |
| 05:19.38 | Jam_ | Anyone around? |
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| 05:22.30 | mjmt | ,versions webmin |
| 05:22.32 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'webmin' was found in i386. |
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| 05:23.31 | Jam_ | @mjmt, sorry i don't understand |
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| 05:23.42 | mjmt | Jam_: Just seeing if there's a package you could use. |
| 05:23.45 | cahoot | !webmin |
| 05:23.45 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://bugs.debian.org/343897 about the removal from Debian. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 05:23.48 | Jam_ | ok |
| 05:24.10 | mjmt | I guess that's why not. :) |
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| 05:24.45 | sweetpi | Jam_: iirc webmin uses perl, so check what version of perl and modules you have and check the version webmin requires |
| 05:25.05 | Jam_ | ok |
| 05:25.11 | Jam_ | thank you sweetpi |
| 05:25.17 | sweetpi | np |
| 05:25.28 | mjmt | !free whcp |
| 05:25.28 | dpkg | FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig>, <ispCP Omega> and <RavenCore>. Don't use <Webmin>. http://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels |
| 05:26.14 | sweetpi | hehe I guess everyone hates that |
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| 05:29.14 | scifiguy | yes hello |
| 05:30.06 | scifiguy | i cannot get synaptics support in x11 |
| 05:30.15 | scifiguy | oddly enough it treats it like a regular mouse |
| 05:30.22 | scifiguy | but i cannot double tap, etc. |
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| 05:30.48 | scifiguy | [ 6.875536] Synaptics Touchpad, model: 1, fw: 7.2, id: 0x1c0b1, caps: 0xd04731/0xa40000/0xa0000 |
| 05:30.48 | scifiguy | [ 6.948637] input: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad as /devices/platform/i8042/serio1/input/input8 |
| 05:30.52 | scifiguy | in dmesg |
| 05:31.07 | scifiguy | (EE) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad Unable to query/initialize Synaptics hardware. |
| 05:31.07 | scifiguy | (EE) PreInit failed for input device "SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad" |
| 05:31.11 | scifiguy | in my xorg logs |
| 05:31.16 | scifiguy | wat do |
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| 05:32.14 | chovy | salieri: how do i find a working path for --with-libevent-dir ? |
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| 05:40.07 | nsadmin | build the lib and install it in a place you know of so you can supply that path? |
| 05:40.36 | nsadmin | scifiguy: |
| 05:40.40 | nsadmin | !enter |
| 05:40.40 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 05:40.43 | nsadmin | !paste |
| 05:40.43 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 06:03.11 | jenk | ffmpeg: /usr/lib/i686/cmov/libavformat.so.52: no version information available (required by ffmpeg) |
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| 06:03.38 | scifiguy | ewwww |
| 06:04.01 | jenk | halp |
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| 06:27.08 | ndee | the standard output of ls -l, what's the separator between each column? When I try a ls -l | cut -f 9, it should show me just the name of the file actually |
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| 06:39.37 | sweetpi | ndee: tab is the default delimiter for cut, space it the column separator in your output |
| 06:39.48 | sweetpi | s/it/is/ |
| 06:40.16 | ndee | sweetpi, ah, it has a problem with the date, since it sometimes, does a 'Mar 18 2009' |
| 06:40.39 | ndee | and for newer files, it does 'Apr 27 17:03' |
| 06:41.03 | sweetpi | ndee: yes maybe something like "ls -l | awk '{ print $8 }'" or use find |
| 06:41.38 | ndee | sweetpi, do you know how I can add a space as separator for something like this: awk '{print $8 $11}' ? |
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| 06:44.16 | sweetpi | ndee: you mean: { print $8" "$11 } ? |
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| 06:44.54 | ndee | sweetpi, you da man! |
| 06:44.56 | ndee | thanks! |
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| 06:46.03 | SaRy | Hello Debian:) |
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| 06:47.56 | sweetpi | ndee: np { print $8, $11 } would do the same since the default output field separator(OFS) is " " |
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| 06:50.13 | SaRy | is there an issue with the testing iso torrent file ! |
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| 06:51.14 | SaRy | i got an error : Requested Download .. |
| 06:52.20 | sweetpi | not sure, why not download the netinst or business card iso, they are both pretty small |
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| 06:55.07 | SaRy | Thanks sweetpi , thats what am actually at right now. |
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| 06:57.06 | sweetpi | SaRy: np, for best results combine with http://wiki.debian.org/DebianGeoMirror :) |
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| 07:00.16 | angel-tsankov | what is the perferred way to assign a shortcut for changing the keyboard layout: via xkb options or via keyboard shortcuts |
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| 07:05.06 | ndee | sweetpi, I tried that but it had no space between |
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| 07:06.23 | sweetpi | ndee: odd, you had "," between them? |
| 07:06.53 | SaRy | sweetpi, thats great , is there a netinst CD image for the testing ! although .. can i upgrade from Lenny to Squeeze . |
| 07:06.54 | ndee | sweetpi, nope, just nothing. |
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| 07:08.04 | sweetpi | ndee: yeah, if you put '{ print $1,$2 }' it will put a space. note the "," |
| 07:08.14 | ndee | sweetpi, ah, I see |
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| 07:08.30 | sweetpi | SaRy: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 07:08.33 | ndee | I did a awk '{print $9" --> "$11}'for now :D |
| 07:08.50 | sweetpi | that works :) |
| 07:08.59 | SaRy | sweetpi, am on it , thanks again :) . |
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| 07:09.04 | sweetpi | np |
| 07:09.12 | sweetpi | got to run |
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| 07:10.14 | sunson | i'd like to run a custom apt repository that contains architecture neutral packages (basically, for our production system, we'd like some platform-independent binary-data 'feeds' that we'd like to use debs for pushing) |
| 07:10.27 | sunson | now the repo's architecture only claims to be "binary-all" |
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| 07:11.06 | sunson | but when I do apt-get update from a client machine which uses this repo, the client tries to fetch for my client's architecture. |
| 07:12.11 | sunson | ie., tries to fetch http://x.x.x.x/feeds/dists/prod/binary-amd64 instead of .../binary-all. what am I doing wrong? |
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| 07:14.49 | Parsifal | Something like ~RDepends:xchat, for instance. |
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| 07:40.14 | shifty | I read about this parity-generating utility on slashdot the other day (par2). I've been writing a script to generate parity files with the "wasted" space when a DVD is burnt (for instance, with a few movies). |
| 07:40.14 | shifty | Short of interleaving the filenames (a_parity, b_file, c_parity, d_file), does anyone have any ideas how to disburse the parity files across the DVD filesystem so a single scratch doesn't take out all my parity? |
| 07:41.02 | asdmin | I've been thinking about the same thing a while ago |
| 07:41.12 | bolt-work | that really seems like a lot of work just to avoid having a backup... |
| 07:41.18 | dsockwell | hard disks are cheaper than DVDs anyway |
| 07:41.22 | asdmin | but I just realized, that even the filesystem layer is too high to correct errors |
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| 07:41.55 | asdmin | as you'll be possibly unable to read anything from the DVD if something goes wrong |
| 07:42.03 | asdmin | neither your files nor the originals |
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| 07:42.21 | asdmin | I share bolt-work's opinion about having it on disk and dsockwell's opinion to have two ;) |
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| 07:42.38 | asdmin | I personally bought 2 500Gigs drive to place my backup on |
| 07:42.39 | dsockwell | you only really need n+1 |
| 07:42.49 | shifty | asdmin: i've had pretty good sucess with dd_rescue. i'm pretty certain with partiy files I'd be able to recover |
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| 07:43.17 | asdmin | shifty: just let me know, as my investigation got into a dead-end |
| 07:43.23 | bolt-work | and if the dvd gets driven over by a bus? |
| 07:43.32 | bolt-work | better to have a copy on a harddrive too, imo |
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| 07:43.56 | shifty | and I agree with the "hard disks are cheap" sentiment. perhaps I'm just doing it because I can. |
| 07:44.24 | shifty | bolt-work: then it's probably in my backpack. not much use to me then :-) |
| 07:45.06 | dsockwell | if you want to be pirate chic i guess you'd carry a binder of DVDs |
| 07:45.52 | dsockwell | but if you were really cool you'd just cart an old SAN shelf with you, wherever you would take the discs |
| 07:46.56 | shifty | what happened to tape when it broke and had to be spliced? |
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| 07:48.51 | dsockwell | there's a certain point where you're just SOL |
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| 07:49.27 | dsockwell | but there are gzip and tar recovery tools |
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| 07:52.12 | asdmin | by the way, I have two usb disks, one of them I use for backup regularly, the other I leave at home, and time-to-time I use rsync to synchronize the difference over from the often-used backup disk to the rarely-used backup disk |
| 07:52.54 | asdmin | the question being: how to do it easier? I have though about raid1, but it's not doing good as it will syncronize all disks, not just differences |
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| 07:54.04 | shifty | asdmin: exactly the same setup here, except the rare disk is offsite. prepare to be flamed, because if as we all know, delete a file on the main disk, and the deletion will eventually be propigated. |
| 07:54.08 | joltcan | asdmin: Why not just use a cronjob for that on both places, or something a little bit more high tech like rsnapshot |
| 07:54.31 | shifty | asdmin: mind, I rather like the manual nature of the backup. |
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| 07:55.46 | shifty | asdmin: or rdiff-backup |
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| 07:56.15 | asdmin | shifty: i do my backups in my own way to ensure the restore will be quick and straightforward |
| 07:56.17 | shifty | asdmin: or DVDs containing data and parity files. tee hee! |
| 07:56.49 | asdmin | I back up my single laptop with it, and some important files (documentation, archive mails etc) |
| 07:58.03 | asdmin | so the whole thing I am interested in is to efficiently and quickly distribute the backup from the primary storage to the secondary storage (these storages will eventually and regularly connected to the same system, the secondary backup is connected really rarely) |
| 07:58.55 | jpinx-eeepc | asdmin: rsync ? |
| 07:59.03 | shifty | asdmin: ditto. I just rsync /home and a list of installed packages. then every couple of months I rsync to the offsite disk. |
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| 07:59.46 | shifty | asdmin: my friend brings over the external secondary backup, and I connect, rsync, and send it home with him that day. |
| 08:00.09 | shifty | asdmin: what's wrong with your current setup? |
| 08:00.21 | shifty | asdmin: and what are you trying to gain/avoid? |
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| 08:02.59 | asdmin | jpinx-eeepc: i do rsync now, but it takes hours (sometimes ten hours) to complete |
| 08:03.36 | jpinx-eeepc | asdmin: maybe you need to examine your command? |
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| 08:04.12 | jpinx-eeepc | rsync will transfer only changes if you tell it to |
| 08:04.12 | asdmin | I would like to 1) find a simpler solution, 2) be able modify the source side during distributing the backup to to secondary storage |
| 08:04.54 | jpinx-eeepc | asdmin: from the cli, there really is nothing simpler than rsync - but you need to hone the command options |
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| 08:05.02 | asdmin | if nobody can tell me better, I guess this is the most efficient, regardless how long does it take or difficult to start |
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| 08:05.47 | shifty | asdmin: both your source and target are connected via USB to the same computer? |
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| 08:06.35 | asdmin | yes, and it's making if paifully slow |
| 08:06.52 | asdmin | which I guess nobody can help |
| 08:07.45 | shifty | asdmin: ok, that's a little weird. assuming your are doing 'rsync -a /source /target' and nothing fancy, ten hours is way too long. |
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| 08:08.19 | shifty | asdmin: I'd be looking for an hardware issue at this point. |
| 08:08.36 | asdmin | don't forget that it's usb |
| 08:08.56 | asdmin | my io wait goes up to 100% even if I copy from/to one usb disk |
| 08:09.11 | asdmin | so it's copied over like 5-10 mibytes/sec |
| 08:09.52 | asdmin | and I resync the 500G disks relatively rare, so several hundred Gibytes needs to be read/written respectively to the storages |
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| 08:11.42 | Bushmills | asdmin, infrequent rsync most likely result in a lot of transfers. rsync more frequently |
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| 08:13.18 | asdmin | yep, it's clear, but I travel a lot (1-2 months at a time) and I have one backup in my home contry (the secondary, disconnected) and one with me (for emergencies) |
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| 08:13.21 | ethanol | msg mornin' all |
| 08:13.33 | shifty | asdmin: http://pastebin.org/53056 |
| 08:13.36 | asdmin | so I cannot do the backups more frequent than I do now ;) |
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| 08:13.49 | shifty | asdmin: four seconds to copy 100 meg from usb disk back to a usb disk |
| 08:14.24 | asdmin | shifty: I thing the second measurement is not correct |
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| 08:15.04 | asdmin | that file must be in the cache, as the speed shall be 50% otherwise (as you need to read then write) |
| 08:15.12 | shifty | asdmin: file exists in cache, doesn't it. still, those 10 hours is way way to long |
| 08:15.13 | asdmin | let me check my disk with the same way |
| 08:15.29 | bolt | "The current "stable" distribution of Debian GNU/Linux is version 5.0.6, codenamed lenny. It was released on September 4th, 2010." -http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 08:15.35 | shifty | asdmin: your disk hasn't gone USB1 has it? |
| 08:15.37 | bolt | has the release of lenny been postponed lately? |
| 08:15.48 | simonrvn | er |
| 08:15.50 | asdmin | USB1 is way too slow for even 5mibytes/sec |
| 08:16.08 | simonrvn | it *is* released |
| 08:16.14 | simonrvn | !lenny |
| 08:16.14 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for the current stable release, Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on 2009-02-14: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 . Ask me about <release notes>, <install debian>, <etch->lenny>, <installer firmware>. Currently <5.0.6>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny |
| 08:16.22 | bolt | that's kind of my point |
| 08:17.00 | bolt | my internal date formatting algorithm says "September 4th, 2010" != "2009-02-14". It might be broken though. |
| 08:17.21 | bolt | oh. wait. i'm stupid |
| 08:17.26 | bolt | that's for 5.0.6, isn't it? |
| 08:17.38 | asdmin | shifty: it's 5s for me |
| 08:17.47 | simonrvn | bolt: yes |
| 08:17.57 | asdmin | just the same as for you |
| 08:18.06 | shifty | asdmin: wow, my 5 year old laptop is the bomb! :-) |
| 08:18.09 | bolt | nevermind, then |
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| 08:18.15 | bolt | downloads squeeze |
| 08:18.58 | asdmin | shifty: can you do a "bs=64k count=16384" ? |
| 08:19.09 | asdmin | given you have the space |
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| 08:19.46 | shifty | asdmin: 1 gig right? |
| 08:19.49 | asdmin | that will create a 1G file |
| 08:19.59 | shifty | asdmin: ok, hold |
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| 08:20.41 | urna | !off-topic |
| 08:20.41 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 08:21.06 | asdmin | urna: is linux and performance off topic on a debian channel? |
| 08:21.15 | urna | asdmin: I would say so |
| 08:21.18 | simonrvn | of course it's on-topic |
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| 08:23.08 | asdmin | i'd be surprised |
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| 08:24.06 | shifty | asdmin: 45 sec to create file. 1.5 min to copy back to same, usb-connected, encrypted disk |
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| 08:24.09 | asdmin | shifty: 1g file, dd says ~30mibytes/sec, but if I count sync+time in, it's going down to 24mibytes/sec |
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| 08:24.34 | asdmin | so you have the same setup (dm-crypt here) |
| 08:25.30 | asdmin | we can count with 20mib/s transfer, and with 200Gib amount of data to transfer it takes up almost 3 hours |
| 08:25.34 | shifty | asdmin: apparently. |
| 08:25.43 | asdmin | if small files involved, even more |
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| 08:26.10 | jelly-home | 2030MB/s is on par for USB2.0 |
| 08:26.13 | asdmin | so it's not my system which performs usb read/writes at 25 mib/s... by the way, is it usb/2.0 limitation? |
| 08:26.15 | jelly-home | 20-30 |
| 08:26.53 | jelly-home | you want more, get eSATA or perhaps USB3 |
| 08:27.17 | asdmin | and a laptop equipped with those interfaces :) |
| 08:27.36 | jelly-home | yes, amazingly you need it supported at both endpoints |
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| 08:27.46 | asdmin | yep, so disks too ;) |
| 08:27.53 | asdmin | I think i'll be patient instead |
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| 08:28.17 | jelly-home | cardexpress esata works quite well for me, I got two external disks in raid1 |
| 08:28.40 | shifty | asdmin: congrats on understanding that mega/mibi thing, I can't get my head around it (remember which way is which) |
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| 08:29.23 | g0rd0n | i need to replace all timestamps in a bunch of zonefiles, so i was thinking to do this with sed in a for loop... but is it possible to tell sed to look for timestamps? |
| 08:29.43 | shifty | asdmin: at 3 hours per 200 gig, is 7 hours MAX to transfer a complete 500 gig drive like you have. ten hours - what, do your disks take a smoke break in between? |
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| 08:30.28 | shifty | g0rd0n: not sed directly, you'll need to have something external help out. sed only deals with text. |
| 08:30.36 | g0rd0n | oh ok |
| 08:30.46 | asdmin | shifty: I got some small files also, and my cpu get's saturated with IO and system wait during the process, so I guess handing the two USB disks at full speed is beyond the capabilities of my cpu |
| 08:31.30 | asdmin | and/or my pci bus and/or usb |
| 08:32.14 | shifty | asdmin: gee, don't know. try a different port? |
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| 08:32.25 | Bushmills | bind zone files *are* text |
| 08:32.47 | asdmin | shifty: I got three and I tried all combinations ;) |
| 08:33.07 | asdmin | Bushmills: you mentioned timestamps, right? |
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| 08:33.10 | shifty | asdmin: btw, you can fiddle the source files during the backup. then repeat your rsync command at the end to tidy up the (hopefuly) small changes in the meantime. |
| 08:33.24 | Bushmills | i didn't, and those are text within those zone files |
| 08:33.44 | asdmin | Bushmills: sed deals with letters and numbers, so from sed's point of view, 10 consecutive numbers can either be a timestamp or a lottery win |
| 08:33.49 | asdmin | it won't bother |
| 08:34.24 | shifty | g0rd0n: sorry, thought you were taking timezone files. yes, sed is perfect for you for DNS work. |
| 08:34.33 | Bushmills | it was g0rd0n asking about those, not me. i only clarified that zone files are text |
| 08:34.44 | g0rd0n | don't worry |
| 08:34.49 | shifty | Bushmills: thx |
| 08:34.55 | asdmin | shifty: yep, it's true, but I was hoping to get an advice what md-raid can do - getting a kind of block device and you can operate on that instead of re-re-re-re-re-run the sync all the time |
| 08:34.55 | g0rd0n | i did it the dirty way, mass-added a record and remove id |
| 08:35.02 | g0rd0n | it* and now got new serials hehe |
| 08:35.07 | Bushmills | (and those contain these time stamps, as part of the SOA record) |
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| 08:36.29 | asdmin | Bushmills: at the end of the day, sed will not parse your (potentially multi-line) SOA records. If your records are in multi-line, or not in the exact same format, you have no hope doing it with sed (not reliably, at least) |
| 08:37.11 | Bushmills | asdmin, i don't even intend to |
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| 08:37.22 | asdmin | Bushmills: you should either thing about eliminating the whole problem by putting it into LDAP or SQL, or generating the files with m4, which would 'formulate' your records into a standard shape, which is handled better by line-editors. |
| 08:37.42 | asdmin | but if you do want to replace timestams |
| 08:37.51 | asdmin | and you have no other "anchors" |
| 08:38.52 | asdmin | you still can look for 10-digit long decimal number bordered by non-decimal numbers (/[^0-9][0-9]{10}[^0-9]/) |
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| 08:39.30 | asdmin | and catch it right there, but older timestamp are not 10 digits long and if you have 10 digits long non-timestamp numbers in your zone files, it will jump on that too |
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| 08:48.23 | RichiH | hmm, can't i tell rsync to only sync files newer than X? |
| 08:48.41 | RichiH | the workdaround of using find to generate a file list is.... not good |
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| 08:50.13 | themill | RichiH: it wouldn't be a very good sync if it only included newer files :( if you're just using it to copy files that are newer, then find -exec invoking either rsync or scp would work. |
| 08:50.36 | RichiH | themill: depends on what you need to sync |
| 08:51.10 | themill | well the usual meaning of "sync" is "make them the same" |
| 08:51.17 | RichiH | both find -exec & scp would fail to properly copy files that are still being written to, for example |
| 08:51.29 | themill | RichiH: so will rsync |
| 08:51.32 | Bushmills | asdmin, Bushmills> it was g0rd0n asking about those, not me. i only clarified that zone files are text |
| 08:51.33 | RichiH | themill: correct, but there is no reason it couldn't mean "sync this subset" |
| 08:51.48 | asdmin | sorry ;;) |
| 08:51.54 | RichiH | themill: yes and no. it will finish the file during the next run |
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| 08:52.14 | RichiH | which is way better than what find & scp can do |
| 08:52.22 | Bushmills | for those frequently updating, i use nsupdate, with keys. that bumps serial automatically |
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| 09:08.39 | Aldus | Hi. Unfortunately my deb server was rooted. The "i" (immutable?) flag was set on many folders so I'm not even able to run apt-get . Can someone explain me how to proceed to at least remove this flag and proceed with updates before migrating to a new server? |
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| 09:08.59 | g0rd0n | haha |
| 09:09.15 | Aldus | g0rd0n: I guess that's funny for u ;| |
| 09:09.22 | wintix | Aldus: chattr -i file/folder |
| 09:09.23 | g0rd0n | yeah it is |
| 09:09.39 | g0rd0n | but i feel sorry as well |
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| 09:10.30 | themill | Aldus: there's nothing really worth doing to that machine other than booting off a live-cd and copying off the data. You can't trust that apt or anything else on the machine will do the right thing at this stage. |
| 09:10.32 | Aldus | wintix: thanks, trying it |
| 09:10.40 | danslo | I am currently using tail -f to check apache access logs.. I would like it to only display the referer, what would be the easiest way to do this? I'm guessing some awk will be required |
| 09:10.48 | Aldus | themill: I have to minimize downtime for my customers |
| 09:11.27 | wintix | Aldus: you really should do as themill suggested. trying to recover from a hijacked server will likely do your customers nothing good. |
| 09:11.32 | Aldus | themill: I am aware that the machine is actually a source of badness, but not even near to how bad would it be to have 30 phone calls while reinstalling it |
| 09:11.37 | g0rd0n | how can i tell if journaling is active on my partition? |
| 09:11.41 | themill | Aldus: that machine could currently be doing anything.... sending spam, running a botnet, ... |
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| 09:12.25 | Aldus | themill: I know :( |
| 09:12.36 | themill | Aldus: the best thing for your customers and everybody else on the internet is to turn it off (or at least unplug it from the network) then reinstall it. Spend less time trying to convince us that you can't do it right now and just do it. |
| 09:12.48 | Aldus | I will migrate the services as soon as I can, already bought the second machine |
| 09:12.48 | jpinx-eeepc | I am getting an error when I try to install locales in a chroot -" locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory" Where should I find this and fix it? |
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| 09:25.12 | wrksx | hi all, I tried to use iceweasel but I found out that it is sending 2 request for each page I ask. Anybody noticed it ? |
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| 09:27.44 | wrksx | which browser do you use ? |
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| 09:39.21 | johndoe | how do i setup a printer that prints to a pdf file? how about an image? |
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| 09:40.57 | themill | ,info cups-pdf |
| 09:40.59 | judd | Package cups-pdf (graphics, optional) in lenny/i386: PDF printer for CUPS. Version: 2.4.8-3; Size: 41.2k; Installed: 252k |
| 09:41.05 | themill | johndoe: ^^ |
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| 09:42.12 | johndoe | themill: thanks ^^ |
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| 09:48.41 | indecipherable | does anyone know which path to assign pear to on debian? I've tried usr/share/pear/PEAR usr/share/pear/pear usr/share/pear ( which seems correct but doesnt work) could this possibly be a chmod error or apache permissions? |
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| 09:51.18 | RichiH | hmm, when i add an IP to a host, do i have to restart nfsd to make it listen on the new one, as well? |
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| 09:57.42 | nsadmin | if nfsd doesn't have code that polls for new IP addresses, I'd say yes (and possibly reconfigure nfsd as well) |
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| 10:03.16 | SaRy | I burned the debian-testing-i386-netinst iso to a usb , followed the installation until i get the error : faild to install Grub boot loader ! |
| 10:03.58 | p3rror | hello |
| 10:04.10 | p3rror | i've 4 usb ports in my laptop |
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| 10:04.22 | SaRy | o' and i didn't know how o config the network on the installation . |
| 10:04.34 | p3rror | even when i do a lsusb |
| 10:04.44 | p3rror | i got 10 bus |
| 10:04.48 | p3rror | is it correct ? |
| 10:06.01 | SaRy | hi p3rror , i have 4 usb ports and i got more than 10 bus. |
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| 10:07.34 | SaRy | i guess the're duplicate here on my lsusb. |
| 10:08.57 | naphex | The rsnapshot howto advises to automate backup by editing root's crontab (crontab -e), but the debian rsnapshot package provides a file /etc/cron.d/rsnapshot for that. Which is best and why? |
| 10:09.25 | asdmin | use /etc/cron.d |
| 10:10.17 | asdmin | the /etc/cron.d/rsnapshot file will be removed if you remove the package, the line in the root's crontab will not be |
| 10:10.35 | naphex | asdmin: good reason, that's right. |
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| 10:10.58 | asdmin | second, /etc/cron.d can separate jobs in different files, so it's hard to accidentally modify something else |
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| 10:11.21 | asdmin | also it's always good to have things separated :) |
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| 10:11.29 | SaRy | if i have a wifi network , what should i type in the network installation step. |
| 10:11.31 | naphex | asdmin: ok, then root should probably not have any crontab... |
| 10:11.37 | asdmin | i personally like run-parts syle config separation |
| 10:12.21 | asdmin | I do not keep system-related cronjobs in root's user crontab |
| 10:12.30 | asdmin | it's a different domain, even if we talk about root |
| 10:12.43 | asdmin | user-domain and system-domain... it's straightforward, I guess |
| 10:12.51 | naphex | asdmin: I understand, thanks. |
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| 10:13.06 | asdmin | you welcome, anytime |
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| 10:51.27 | stew | !qotd0 |
| 10:51.27 | dpkg | <jm_> twb: it's microsoft software <twb> Ha! <twb> AngryDrake: OK, step one is to unbuckle your belt, remove your trousers and bend over. A microsoft technician will be along shortly. |
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| 10:58.03 | stew | why oh why does emacs23-nox depend on libasound2? |
| 10:58.07 | tholl583xx | how do a i send a gzip file from command line by email? |
| 10:59.00 | stew | tholl583xx: i'd probably use mutt |
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| 11:00.21 | simonrvn | mutt foobar -f filename |
| 11:00.52 | simonrvn | wonders why a gz would matter |
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| 11:07.07 | Favorit | Hi guys, sorry for offtopic, was there FAI channel on freenode? And if so, what's its name |
| 11:07.21 | ondrejk | tholl583xx: uuencode file.jpg file.jpg | mail -s foobar foo@bar.fo |
| 11:07.44 | ondrejk | tholl583xx: substitute jpg by gzip |
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| 11:16.09 | asdmin | mpack -s subject -c compressed/gzip file.gz address@at.org |
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| 11:33.37 | gele | Where does one put scripts that should run when the computer is starting, either booted or returning from suspend or hibernate? |
| 11:34.54 | gele | Right now I have it as a line in /etc/rc.local, but that only runs on boot. |
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| 11:35.36 | gele | I want to set the scheduling parameters for the kernel thread that handles sound card interrupts, and they are reset on suspend so I need to set them after that as well. |
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| 11:36.36 | rozie | gele: you can set it up on suspend/hibernate program |
| 11:36.45 | rozie | pm-tools have such an option for sure |
| 11:37.15 | gele | rozie: Do you mean pm-utils? |
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| 11:43.57 | gele | OK, I need to write a script and put it in /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d/ , right? |
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| 11:49.21 | rozie | gele: yes, I mean pm-utils. and yes, you need to put script(s) in proper directories. it's pretty good expained in documentation |
| 11:49.37 | rozie | but I don't need nor use this feature |
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| 12:13.05 | wintix | how would one activate the ipv6 privacy extenstions on debian? so far googling and looking through the sysctl and proc stuff didn't yield any results. |
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| 12:57.13 | dp | is there a walkthrough on setting up apache2 with mpm-worker and php5 on debian? |
| 12:57.50 | abrotman | dp: you can't i don't think .. |
| 12:58.00 | dp | er |
| 12:58.11 | dp | why couldn't I? |
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| 12:58.19 | abrotman | dp: the libapache2-mod-php5 depends on apache2-mpm-prefork or apache2-mpm-itk .. maybe you could use it CGI version if you wanted, but i've never tried it |
| 12:58.34 | kostaki | you can use fcgid and suexec |
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| 12:59.20 | dp | kostaki: is there a walkthrough anywhere? |
| 12:59.23 | kostaki | if you dont mind a little german -> http://www.debianroot.de/server/apache2-worker-php-fcgid-fastcgi-suexec-debian-lenny-1004.html |
| 12:59.57 | dp | kostaki: google translates well enough ;) |
| 13:00.04 | kostaki | ok ;) |
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| 13:02.21 | dp | kostaki: that seems like an awful lot of work... in gentoo, I just recompiled apache and php to enable threads, and away I went... |
| 13:03.09 | trifler | points to the door |_| -You made your choice sir. |
| 13:03.12 | trifler | ;) |
| 13:03.23 | abrotman | dp: that's not all pertinent to your needs .. some of it is specific to the author |
| 13:03.42 | dp | abrotman: I'm specifically talking about the need for suExec and whatnot |
| 13:04.03 | dp | actually, I wouldn't even need suexec |
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| 13:04.11 | dp | just fcgid |
| 13:04.49 | Spida | is there a known problem with icewasel from squeeze and firefox-extensions? |
| 13:04.58 | bzrk_ | dp: be very afraid of using threaded php |
| 13:04.59 | abrotman | Spida: be less vague please |
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| 13:05.17 | bzrk_ | dp: i recently tried and still get access violations |
| 13:05.33 | urna | abrotman: how can I has sound in debian lunix ? |
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| 13:05.39 | abrotman | lunix? |
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| 13:06.43 | Spida | I tried to install web developer, adblock plus, stylish and a few others and all say that they are not compatible to the installed version of firefox (or iceweasel tells me that the plugin isn't compatible, I don't know) |
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| 13:07.18 | abrotman | Spida: did you: aptitude search adblock ? |
| 13:07.37 | bzrk_ | Spida: i use testing and adblock without issues |
| 13:07.57 | bzrk_ | Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; de; rv:1.9.1.13) Gecko/20100916 Iceweasel/3.5.13 (like Firefox/3.5.13) |
| 13:08.15 | bzrk_ | adblock plus version 1.2.2 |
| 13:08.44 | abrotman | Spida: or `apt-cache search xul ext` to see a larger list |
| 13:08.48 | dp | bzrk_: usage on Gentoo has not been a problem, so we'll see how it goes on debian |
| 13:09.06 | bzrk_ | dp: good luck |
| 13:10.35 | Spida | I tried to install them using the iceweasel add-ons tab... |
| 13:10.57 | Spida | for example, stylish isn't available via the apt |
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| 13:36.50 | andre_pl | what package do I need to install to get the kernel source code in /usr/src ? |
| 13:38.19 | joltcan | andre_pl: linux-source-x.x.xx |
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| 13:39.17 | joltcan | andre_pl: if you are just going to build some other stuff but need the header files, then you can swap "source" with "header" instead |
| 13:39.39 | andre_pl | joltcan: thanks. |
| 13:40.09 | vbluzmans | anyone know when 2.6.26 came out ? |
| 13:40.27 | valdyn | vbluzmans: look it up yourself |
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| 13:43.13 | Janni | Hello. |
| 13:44.50 | Janni | Since today, my pm-utils don't work anymore. pm-suspend (and the other commands too) doesn't do anything at all. I think yesterday, I updated my packages. Anybody knows about this issue? |
| 13:46.38 | paradigm | Janni: now you've got me worried, lemme load up my laptop and see if I can suspend |
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| 13:50.45 | paradigm | Janni: for what it's worth, my pm-utils seem to work fine |
| 13:50.54 | paradigm | but it's sensitive to the exact chipset, so that doesn't mean it didn't break for you |
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| 13:52.54 | Janni | paradigm: OK, thanks for the effort. |
| 13:53.08 | paradigm | yep, good luck figuring it out |
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| 13:53.41 | Janni | Maybe I can, but not now. See you. |
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| 13:58.18 | flo` | hi |
| 13:58.50 | flo` | i'm using debian lenny, xfce and baobab... sometimes, baobab works fine, but often i get the error message "could not detect any mount points" |
| 13:58.58 | flo` | what's the problem here and how can i solve it? |
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| 14:01.41 | ewoerner | hi |
| 14:01.48 | ewoerner | does fluxbox use .desktop files for its menu? |
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| 14:08.02 | runa | heyas. my server is swapping mysql even if it has free (cached) memory. shall I set swappines to 0? (I don't think that's the best since there're other stuff on the server that need to be swapped) or run mysql with memlock? |
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| 14:12.48 | CodeNinja | RAWR this is irritating as hell, why cant I get this error resolved :| |
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| 14:21.21 | wad | Any idea what the default blocksize is for ext4? (Ubuntu netbook edition on a 63GB partition) |
| 14:21.35 | abrotman | wad: ask #ubuntu |
| 14:22.03 | wad | abrotman, yeah, I thought of that. Nobody knows. I'm trying to recover a damaged superblock on this &$%^ netbook. |
| 14:22.17 | abrotman | wad: we have no idea .. ask them .. |
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| 14:22.27 | tarzeau | isn't there a command to find out? |
| 14:22.28 | abrotman | wad: we could give you the wrong value and hose your system |
| 14:22.36 | wad | lol |
| 14:22.37 | abrotman | tarzeau: talk to him about it in #ubuntu, thank you |
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| 14:23.29 | wad | As far as I can tell, there is no way to determine what it was. But the value is required to use e2fsck -b and find a backup superblock. *grumble* |
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| 14:24.23 | tarzeau | wad: man dumpe2fs |
| 14:24.34 | abrotman | wad: you are offtopic in this channel, please go to #ubuntu, this is your last warning |
| 14:24.42 | wad | thanks |
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| 14:25.17 | abrotman | tarzeau: please do not support non-Debian people in this channel, it makes them think it is okay to come ask in this channel. It is not. |
| 14:25.27 | tarzeau | abrotman: sorry, i couldn't resist |
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| 14:26.53 | tarzeau | nobody runs debian on sparc? i couldn't find much info in the bts on silo, with my fast access mmu miss |
| 14:27.17 | abrotman | tarzeau: there is a #debian-sparc on irc.oftc.net IIRC |
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| 14:27.42 | petemc | tarzeau: i do, but other than trouble with the installer kernels ive not had any bother |
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| 14:28.12 | tarzeau | petemc: ultra sparc 10 or which machine do you have? |
| 14:28.19 | tarzeau | abrotman: let me try that |
| 14:28.19 | petemc | netfire something |
| 14:28.26 | petemc | v210 i think |
| 14:28.28 | themill | rgr: make up your mind ... |
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| 14:28.38 | abrotman | the old US10? like the 300Mhz variety? |
| 14:28.47 | tarzeau | abrotman: yep |
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| 14:29.20 | tarzeau | guess it's time to get rid of it... |
| 14:29.47 | petemc | i gave away a few sparcstations a few years back |
| 14:29.54 | tarzeau | same for the ppc g4 imac, since both can't run chromium-browser |
| 14:30.13 | tarzeau | petemc: so did i, that's the only one left. well i still got the ultra2 dual cpu machine... |
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| 14:35.14 | abrotman | tarzeau: they could probably run OpenSol, though that's beyond this channel |
| 14:35.31 | pigdude | oh no! lenny doesn't have a rabbitmq package. does anybody know of one, or should I just go ahead and install from source? |
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| 14:35.49 | tarzeau | abrotman: opensolaris? that's for x86 hardware |
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| 14:36.03 | tarzeau | abrotman: the non-ultras were cool, 'cause they run openstep :) |
| 14:36.07 | abrotman | pigdude: /msg dpkg ssb .. not sure how involved that is |
| 14:36.08 | corny|narf | hi |
| 14:36.19 | abrotman | tarzeau: okay, nevermind then .. just use Solaris :) |
| 14:36.26 | tarzeau | abrotman: solaris SUCKS! |
| 14:36.34 | abrotman | okay .. enough OT now :) |
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| 14:37.47 | corny|narf | I debbootstrapped squeeze (minbase) an there is no /var/log/messages, what syslogdeamon do I want to install? Will there be any further configuration necessary? |
| 14:38.47 | pigdude | yea, nothing in backports. not a problem, erlang stuff usually installs from src very reliably |
| 14:39.30 | pigdude | oh nice http://www.rabbitmq.com/debian.html |
| 14:40.04 | bint | hmm |
| 14:40.24 | bint | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:40.27 | bint | anyone? |
| 14:41.21 | bint | ahh |
| 14:41.37 | abrotman | did you run 'file' on it ? |
| 14:41.44 | abrotman | pigdude: you can backport your own |
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| 14:42.24 | bint | sorry i did download a mirror-site called bz2.. |
| 14:42.26 | bint | not the actual file |
| 14:42.30 | M`vy | stdin is not bzip2? |
| 14:42.39 | bint | i got it running now :) |
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| 14:43.00 | bint | i did download a html site with the same name like the file |
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| 15:12.59 | jackweb | Hello! What's with WiFi on Debian? Is there any command to list all possible 'computers' to connect? I would think that 'network' will be a better word. I'd grep them to find correct network and use Y command to connect to that network using password (where Y is command that I also need to *connect*). So. Do exist command `Y` and a command to list all networks? |
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| 15:13.43 | jackweb | If so, what are their name? |
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| 15:13.46 | jackweb | names* |
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| 15:14.03 | gartt | What's the file that runs commands upon booting? |
| 15:14.10 | gartt | rc.local start or something? |
| 15:14.12 | stew | gartt: /sbin/init? |
| 15:14.24 | stew | gartt: rc.local is the last script to be run |
| 15:14.57 | stew | jackweb: "iwlist scan" would list them all. how you connect depends on what authentication they are using. you might use somehting like "wicd" or "network-manager" to make this process more 'friendly' |
| 15:15.05 | gartt | stew: Strange, putting a script in rc.local doesn't run |
| 15:16.13 | helo | gartt: it will if done properly :) |
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| 15:16.25 | stew | gartt: you are using /etc/rc.local, right? is it executable? is the script it is calling executable? |
| 15:16.28 | jackweb | stew, at first, thank you for the answer, I'll note 'iwlist scan' to my notebook ;). But... network-manager - is it under X-org system? I think so. |
| 15:17.34 | stew | jackweb: its a service that runs and there are several front-ends that can control it (for gnome/kde/etc) I don't know if there are any not requiring x. wicd is an alternative (that I prefer) and has a curses frontend as well (not requiring x) |
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| 15:18.10 | jackweb | stew: ok, because I prefer term apps to X ones. ;) |
| 15:18.48 | beardy | !wicd |
| 15:18.48 | dpkg | i guess wicd is Wireless Interface Connection Daemon, a wired and <wireless connection manager>. A backported package is available for Lenny, ask me about <bdo>. See also <netdev>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wicd http://wicd.sf.net/ #wicd on irc.freenode.net. |
| 15:19.05 | stew | oh, hmm wicd-curses hasn't been backported |
| 15:20.01 | themill | ,versions cnetworkmanager |
| 15:20.02 | judd | Package cnetworkmanager on i386 -- sid: 0.21.1-1.1; squeeze: 0.21.1-1.1 |
| 15:20.28 | beardy | But it's not THAT hard to configure wpa_supplicant/interfaces(5), after a scan with iwlist, if that works for you card. |
| 15:21.18 | jackweb | "Starting Network connection manager: wicd failed!" it's a pity that wicd doesn't like me... ;) but I'll try to run it correctly ;) |
| 15:21.54 | stew | themill: is that a curses frontend? |
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| 15:22.14 | themill | stew: yeah, but once again only squeeze-onwards. (C for CLI) |
| 15:22.26 | themill | ,info cnetworkmanager --release squeeze |
| 15:22.28 | judd | Package cnetworkmanager (net, extra) in squeeze/i386: A command-line client for NetworkManager. Version: 0.21.1-1.1; Size: 25.3k; Installed: 208k; Homepage: http://vidner.net/martin/software/cnetworkmanager/ |
| 15:22.37 | beardy | jackweb: How do you try to start it? |
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| 15:23.37 | beardy | jackweb: I have it disabled in /etc/default/wicd, and start it manually in the rare occassions I want to use it, with 'wicd' |
| 15:25.46 | themill | stew: it appears to be quite backportable, but I doubt it's backportable across the 0.6/0.7 change in n-m. (0.7 is available from bpo though). I'd take a random guess that it needs versioned dependencies on n-m (which it doesn't have). |
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| 15:26.34 | jackweb | beardy: during installation process aptitude attempted to run it |
| 15:26.42 | jackweb | but I'll try 'manually' |
| 15:26.53 | jackweb | (after enabling in /etc/default/wicd) |
| 15:27.34 | jackweb | beardy: "It works!" (like in apache2 ;)) |
| 15:28.10 | jackweb | thanks ;) |
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| 15:28.28 | beardy | jackweb: Yes, if you have it enabled you can use the /etc/init.d/wicd startup script. No problem. :) |
| 15:29.13 | jackweb | I have already used it ;) |
| 15:29.22 | jackweb | but thx ;) |
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| 15:32.27 | FireSlash | Hi guys. One of my installs is set up to use a static IP. All this is fine, except the thing has suddenly taken a taste for blanking out resolv.conf at random, which creates some rather unfortunate circumstances for the web server |
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| 15:33.08 | FireSlash | I've added them back in, restart networking, and a few minutes later it's blank again |
| 15:33.20 | FireSlash | So clearly I'm not putting them in the right place. |
| 15:33.40 | FireSlash | But google always seems to just say "Put them in resolv.conf" so maybe someone here knows better? |
| 15:33.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | there is a label on the whole disk (not the single partitions), i.e. my usb stick - how can one change that? |
| 15:34.15 | valdyn | FireSlash: did you verify that no dhclient is still running for that interface? |
| 15:34.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | FireSlash, uninstall the dhcp client or configure it to always have certain things inresolv.conf |
| 15:35.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | uninstall + stop |
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| 15:35.35 | FireSlash | valdyn, I've only set up one interface. eth1 isn't even plugged in. Though.. now that I think about it, that's a silly enough case to cause this. Investigation time. Thanks. |
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| 15:36.30 | gartt | What's the best way to trigger my wireless? I want to bring ra0 up through ifconfig and dhclient it to get an IP |
| 15:36.35 | gartt | *on boot |
| 15:38.23 | gartt | If I go through the motions in /etc/rc.local, it doesn't run them |
| 15:38.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's the best way to get to venice... |
| 15:38.40 | gartt | But it'd be bets to do it the correct way anyway |
| 15:38.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | !interfaces |
| 15:38.45 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>. |
| 15:39.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | if it's a laptop, you might use network-manager, though |
| 15:39.24 | gartt | CutMeOwnThroat: Thanks. It is a laptop, but used as a desktop only (for grandparents) |
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| 15:39.36 | gartt | 95 years old and uses Debian no problem :) |
| 15:40.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | also gnome has it's own network managing tool, it seems |
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| 15:41.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | which then is bound to the account, of course |
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| 15:41.25 | gartt | Thanks |
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| 15:42.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
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| 15:42.38 | AlexC_ | Morning |
| 15:42.50 | jair | hello guys, I received a virtual machine compressed in a program called 7zip, looks like it was compressed on a windows OS. I was looking at debian and there is a p7zip version that supouse to work. Have anyone use this before? |
| 15:43.06 | koollman | jair: yes, it works. |
| 15:43.20 | AlexC_ | I am unable to 'su - foobar', it always says "su: Authentication failure" however the password /is/ correct. I can SSH into the computer using the same account and password just fine, I can also 'sudo su - foobar' just fine |
| 15:43.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | gartt, you might also /msg dpkg wireless (and perhaps some of the other keywords in <>) |
| 15:43.42 | jair | they compressed the .7z files in concatenated way like this: image.tz.001 image.tz.002 image.tz.003 blah blah |
| 15:43.59 | koollman | jair: it will 'just works' when you try to decompress the first one |
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| 15:44.44 | jair | koollman: hmmm the command will be: 7z -d image.7z.001 |
| 15:44.47 | jair | right? |
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| 15:47.02 | koollman | jair: nope. more like 7z e image.7z.001 (perhaps x instead of e, if the path matters, and you want to use l instead of e to list the content first, to be sure) |
| 15:47.29 | jair | koollman: let me try that |
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| 15:48.20 | jair | koollman: that works beautifully :P "7z x image.7z.001" |
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| 15:50.34 | FireSlash | Ok, that's weird. it was network-manager causing the problems |
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| 15:52.05 | jair | koollman: I don't know why I was trying to use p7zip -d yesterday and did not work =) because the files I am uncompressing were 7z |
| 15:52.10 | jair | not 7zip |
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| 15:52.36 | jair | but I am not sure if there is such a file extention .7zip |
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| 15:55.45 | jhutchins_lt2 | jair: There is a *.fileextensionforwhateveryoucanthinkupbecausethemagicwordiswhatmatters |
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| 15:56.14 | jhutchins_lt2 | jair: However, in the DOS world a four character extension would be invalid. |
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| 16:00.52 | helo | where is this "DOS world"? |
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| 16:01.31 | beardy | Back <---- there. |
| 16:01.43 | stew | judd: info dosbox |
| 16:01.45 | judd | Package dosbox (otherosfs, optional) in lenny/i386: A x86 emulator with Tandy/Herc/CGA/EGA/VGA/SVGA graphics, sound and DOS. Version: 0.72-1.1; Size: 644.8k; Installed: 1992k; Homepage: http://www.dosbox.com/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/dosbox |
| 16:01.59 | beardy | judd: info dosemu |
| 16:02.00 | judd | Package dosemu (contrib/otherosfs, optional) in lenny/i386: The Linux DOS Emulator. Version: 1.4.0+svn.1828-2+b1; Size: 2351.7k; Installed: 5500k; Homepage: http://www.dosemu.org/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/dosemu |
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| 16:05.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, info lottery-numbers |
| 16:05.49 | judd | No record of package 'lottery-numbers' in lenny/i386. |
| 16:05.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | :( |
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| 16:07.59 | jair | jhutchins_lt2: ohhh good to know. I unfortunately have to deal with some windows users ;( |
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| 16:09.52 | klync | i've installed RT via apt and i'm not convinced it's picking up /usr/local plugins - i would expect it to appear under loaded perl modules in System Configuration through the front-end, no? |
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| 16:22.25 | ElDeablo | Boa tarde! |
| 16:22.37 | o2T7 | I know it is offtopic but, are there any useful tools for documenting or even managing lots of already deployed services across a number of machines? (i.e. different inet connections and domain zones) |
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| 16:23.17 | yaaar | howdy |
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| 16:24.13 | jhutchins | o2T7: Not sure what you're really looking for, there's mrtg and nagios, there are some inventory tools that are available as free on-line services. |
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| 16:25.22 | o2T7 | jhutchins: just for knowing the "location" of a number of virtual machines and services in a given moment |
| 16:25.23 | mroe | I opted to not use the maintainer's version of a config file. I need to use it now. How do I get the .conf from the package? |
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| 16:27.12 | o2T7 | mroe: You can delete(move) your conf file and then reinstall the package with dpkg's --force-confmiss option |
| 16:27.46 | themill | mroe: or use "confnew"; /msg dpkg confmiss" for details and see man dpkg. |
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| 16:36.03 | mroe | themill, what is confnew? is that a command or an option to send to dpkg. the bot doesn't know about it |
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| 16:36.17 | lenswipe | hey guys |
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| 16:37.55 | lenswipe | im trying to get server 2003 to join a samba domain |
| 16:38.03 | lenswipe | it says useername not found |
| 16:38.19 | lenswipe | i have a machine trust account setup and im joining the domain as root |
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| 16:38.24 | lenswipe | anyone know how i can fix this? |
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| 16:39.20 | mroe | with the --force-confnew and --force-confmiss options, I still get "Not replacing deleted config file" |
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| 16:42.06 | busta | Hi, how can I install gcc-4.4.4 using aptitude in debian? |
| 16:44.04 | themill | busta: that's available for squeeze only. Is there a reason you need that exact version of the compiler? |
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| 16:44.20 | themill | mroe: can you pastebin the command and entire output for us? /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 16:44.39 | mroe | themill, I found them in /usr/share/ I was expecting them to show up in /etc/ |
| 16:45.07 | themill | mroe: the maintainer scripts probably copy them across if required |
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| 16:47.30 | busta | themill, the reason is simple. I have number of slow boxes with gentoo. all this boxes use ~unstable branch so they are using latest pakages. and gcc-4.4.4 is one of them. From other side I have some power boxes with 16xXEON 12GB ram on Debian. I want to install distcc to use this power box to help compile everything for this my slow boxes. |
| 16:47.54 | busta | and if the version of gcc are different something may go wrong. |
| 16:48.29 | busta | So The best way is to have the same gcc on all host that are in one distcc cluster |
| 16:49.13 | themill | busta: ahh... running distcc from a chroot might be the most sane approach then |
| 16:50.15 | themill | busta: (normally it's people asking just out of habit because they're used to much more broken/unstable platforms like ruby/php/python where they always feel the need to have the latest "just because") |
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| 16:51.31 | busta | heh.. yes people like this idea to have something new just because.. new car... and so on.. good idea with chrood. I think I'll use it |
| 16:51.37 | lenswipe | does anyone know why /usr/sbin/useradd -g machines -d /var/lib/nobody \ -c "S02" \ -s /bin/false S02$ fails? |
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| 16:53.19 | alphanet | Hi, has anyone already seen the VirtualBox GUI telling "The value of the Processor(s) field on the System page is not complete", however I can't seem to be able to change this so the warnings disappears ? |
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| 17:19.30 | jhutchins_lt2 | lenswipe: Not having seen the error message, no. |
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| 17:29.22 | Death4Life | hi, What do I all need to attack a scanner/printer to my debian box and be able to scan from another machine? |
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| 17:32.08 | tomodachi | Death4Life: sane (or is it xsane) and x11 forwarding? |
| 17:32.46 | EmleyMoor | Death4Life: saned allows you to access a scanner from another machine using suitable client software |
| 17:32.57 | Death4Life | ah, yes that's what I need! |
| 17:33.04 | EmleyMoor | Main prerequisite is that the scanner is supported by sane |
| 17:33.12 | Death4Life | I've tried that out a few years back but couldn't get it to work |
| 17:33.15 | Death4Life | so I'm gonna try again |
| 17:33.21 | EmleyMoor | I use it |
| 17:33.22 | Death4Life | ( had to keep a windows box nearby :s ) |
| 17:33.36 | Death4Life | I can scan from a windows machine as well? |
| 17:33.52 | EmleyMoor | Death4Life: Yes, clients exist for Windows |
| 17:34.03 | Death4Life | ok :) |
| 17:34.08 | Death4Life | thx |
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| 17:36.24 | flori_ | hi |
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| 17:42.44 | flori_ | when talking about lenny installed on a system that has windows installed on. what ist today the recommended way to share a filesystem (rw) on a local harddisk? 1. vfat/fat32 2. ntfs (generated with mkfs or windows?) 2. ext2 (with ext2-fs for windows to mount there) 3. ext3 (with ext2-fs for windows to mount there) 4. ext3 (with ext3-fs for windows to mount there |
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| 17:42.50 | flori_ | what way would you choose? |
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| 17:44.10 | flori_ | the goal ist to be able to mount (rw) the share-partition's fs on linux and another time on windows and to be able to read an write all files there. |
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| 17:44.42 | funyun | hi. linux noob here. can anyone tell me how i install these files? http://pastebin.com/eDHB3Rp4 |
| 17:45.56 | lastboss | flori_: ntfs works very well on linux and windows. I don't know how good ext2-fs for windows is. |
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| 17:46.29 | lastboss | funyun: that's PERL |
| 17:46.35 | Death4Life | seems scanning is working now |
| 17:46.36 | lastboss | you don't install it |
| 17:46.53 | funyun | lastboss: cool. what do i do with these? |
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| 17:47.11 | lastboss | perl <file> |
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| 17:47.17 | funyun | lastboss: they were listed under requirements |
| 17:47.18 | flori_ | lastboss: should i you mkfs.ntfs to generate the fs or better use the windows formating tool? |
| 17:47.21 | sparr | I've installed wireless-tools and network-manager-gnome and am using nm-applet for the first time on this install. It can see my wireless network, but only offers "WPA & WPA2 Personal" for my password, when I think I am using WEP. Can I fix that? |
| 17:47.28 | flori_ | lastboss: should i use mkfs.ntfs to generate the fs or better use the windows formating tool? |
| 17:47.52 | ernstp | is it be possible to run dpkg against a chroot without fakeroot? |
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| 17:48.00 | ernstp | only fakechroot |
| 17:48.00 | lastboss | funyun: aha, you need those perl libraries. I can't help you there as I don't quite know my way around debian yet. |
| 17:48.19 | paradigm | flori_: In my experience Lenny reads/writes fine when Windows formats the NTFS partition |
| 17:48.29 | paradigm | never tried it with Lenny doing the formatting |
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| 17:48.50 | lastboss | funyun: apt-cache search perl-xml , see if you find a package |
| 17:49.03 | lastboss | or libperl-xml libperlxml |
| 17:49.07 | Originooo | sparr, is there a reason for WEP? |
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| 17:49.24 | sparr | Originooo: because that's what the router is using |
| 17:49.29 | lastboss | flori_: it doesn't matter, they both make standard ntfs partitions |
| 17:49.50 | Originooo | sparr, i would change this if its possible. this is for security reaosn |
| 17:50.04 | sparr | I am aware of the security reasons. I can't change it until I can connect to it... |
| 17:50.05 | paradigm | sparr: if you can, it may be a good idea to get whoever owns the router to switch away from WEP. It's pretty trivial to get around these days. |
| 17:50.14 | paradigm | oh, wlel, nevermind then |
| 17:50.47 | Originooo | sparr, what about LAN-Connection to router? |
| 17:51.20 | sparr | Originooo, this is going to sound rude, and it probably is, but I'm out of patience on this particular issue... what about answering the question I asked in the first place? |
| 17:52.15 | sparr | I really don't have the time or energy to chase tangents. The network works for my Ubuntu and Windows using roommates. I just have to figure out how to get WEP working on Debian. |
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| 17:52.49 | paradigm | sparr: understandable |
| 17:52.55 | paradigm | sadly I have no experience with network manager |
| 17:53.00 | sparr | how about wicd? |
| 17:53.15 | paradigm | Been a while but I've used wicd |
| 17:53.23 | lastboss | right click the network in network manager, edit the network manually to WEP security |
| 17:53.38 | sparr | lastboss: there are 3 WEP options, with many sub-options |
| 17:53.43 | sparr | most of which I don't know the answer to |
| 17:54.02 | lastboss | what are the options ? |
| 17:54.35 | sparr | WEP Index |
| 17:54.38 | sparr | Authentication |
| 17:54.53 | sparr | and a bunch of certificate stuff |
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| 17:55.47 | lastboss | you could do it manually? |
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| 17:56.38 | lastboss | iwconfig wlan0 essid NETWORKNAME && iwconfig wlan0 key WEPKEY && iwconfig wlan0 mode Managed && dhclient wlan0 |
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| 17:57.33 | sparr | oooh |
| 17:57.37 | sparr | didnt have iwconfig last i tried |
| 17:57.42 | sparr | guess it came in with some other packages |
| 17:58.02 | paradigm | wireless-tools |
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| 18:00.52 | sparr | thanks |
| 18:01.53 | paradigm | got it working? |
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| 18:02.44 | sparr | not yet, have to get the network back up to test, but i hope it works |
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| 18:03.10 | lastboss | please note you need the actual WEP key, not an alphanumerical representation |
| 18:03.26 | flori_ | lastboss, paradigm: thank you for your hints. I'll give ntfs generated using win7 a try. |
| 18:03.34 | paradigm | good luck |
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| 18:05.10 | lastboss | ntfs-3g works great here, read&write and everything else. oops: ntfs-3g is case sensitive, so you can have one file named "Foo" and one file named "foo" and it's valid. On windows you'd only see one of those files. |
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| 18:06.08 | dw | hi there. is there some project to provide cross compilers as debian packages somewhere? |
| 18:06.18 | runix__ | weird. I still have this problem: my server has 8gb of ram and 3 hds. I run mysql+ruby+varnish+a few more things there. The problem is that linux is swapping a lot (2.2gb, including mysql, sphinx and other 'important' stuff) even if there're almost 3gb of 'cached' memory. I tried setting swappiness to 0 but nothing changed; any hints? |
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| 18:08.09 | lastboss | disable preemptive kernel if you use it. i have no idea how though |
| 18:08.28 | runix__ | lastboss: is the stock debian kernel preemptive? |
| 18:09.59 | lastboss | I don't know. i don't think it is, but I'm not sure. I don't even know if it would make a difference, i guess it was bad advice |
| 18:10.28 | runix__ | lastboss: :) |
| 18:10.30 | flori_ | when using "mkfs.ntfs" is ntfs-3g used? when using "mount -o ntfs" is also ntfs-3g used? |
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| 18:12.18 | lastboss | mount -o ntfs is invalid. mkfs.ntfs is not ntfs-3g, ntfs-3g brings userspace read/write support for ntfs. |
| 18:13.18 | lastboss | mount -t ntfs-3g is correct |
| 18:14.10 | lastboss | you also need to install ntfs-3g package |
| 18:14.15 | abrotman | runix__: are you actually swapping? or is all your RAM used ? |
| 18:15.27 | runix__ | abrotman: I see 'swap in' (and out) moving a lot in 'waves' in vmstat. |
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| 18:16.03 | runix__ | abrotman: in case you're curious here's the output of vmstat http://pastebin.ca/1955752 |
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| 18:16.16 | abrotman | runix__: 'vmstat 3' .. does the si/so value change? |
| 18:16.55 | runix__ | abrotman: it fluctuates a lot between <10 and then >3000 for a few seconds (the output pasted http://pastebin.ca/1955752 is vmstat 4, letme know if you want vmstat 3) |
| 18:17.15 | runix__ | abrotman: and the swapped things (ie, the ones I see SWAPIN in iotop) are pretty important (ie, like mysql, sphinx, etc) |
| 18:17.39 | abrotman | runix__: did you think that maybe you really are using that much ? |
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| 18:18.06 | runix__ | abrotman: using what? swap? |
| 18:18.21 | runix__ | abrotman: I'm ok with swap, but I don't like mysql or sphinx swapping |
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| 18:18.31 | stew | wait, is that lots of swapping with 3 gigs in cache? |
| 18:18.48 | runix__ | stew: yeah! swappiness is 0 |
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| 18:19.26 | runix__ | I really thing there's something very wrong there... |
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| 18:19.56 | stew | i don't know why it wouldn't be reclaiming cache instead |
| 18:20.03 | runix__ | stew: I could try running mysql and sphinx with memlock so they won't be swapped out but.. |
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| 18:20.32 | gourneau | Is there something like Ubuntu's rotstock for Debian? I need a Debian root file system for a OMAP ARM machine. Thanks |
| 18:20.40 | runix__ | stew: running 2.6.26-2-amd64 (debian stock) there |
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| 18:21.45 | remur_030 | heya, gitolite still has the impression i am inside an old domain i used to be in, where can I find where that is stored? |
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| 18:21.59 | dondelelcaro | gourneau: you just use debootstrap or similar, if it's a device that Debian actually runs on. |
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| 18:22.23 | remur_030 | it says user@foo.bar but bar is totally outdate |
| 18:22.26 | remur_030 | *outdated |
| 18:23.13 | dondelelcaro | gourneau: or possibly cdebootstrap. You just do the first half of the root filesystem creation on whatever your host architecture is, then bring up the target environment, pivot or chroot into the root filesystem, and complete it |
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| 18:25.43 | abrotman | runix__: are there some large files loaded perhaps? |
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| 18:26.20 | runix__ | abrotman: I'm using Varnish with a 8gb file storage |
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| 18:29.58 | runix__ | stew, abrotman: I just found that I have 'a lot' of SwapCached (http://pastebin.ca/1955764 ), not sure if related.. |
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| 18:39.27 | stew | runix__: that doesn't explain swapping MORE out though |
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| 18:40.27 | stew | hmm |
| 18:40.53 | stew | though i guess you can subtrace swapcached from cached? |
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| 18:41.06 | stew | but that still leaves a gig of cached memory not being used |
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| 18:42.02 | mersault | I'm running lenny, but I need to create an LVM physical volume that has a specific offset, and the version of LVM in lenny doesn't support the --dataalignment switch. What's the easiest way to get my hands on an upgraded version of lvm? |
| 18:44.07 | runix__ | stew: something else, I ran "sync; echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches |
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| 18:44.18 | runix__ | stew: but cached didn't lowered as I expected |
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| 18:56.20 | andre_pl | is there a unix shell utility that will take lines from stdin and feed them to n identical processes? |
| 18:56.38 | andre_pl | sort of like tee, but without duplicating each line |
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| 18:57.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell mersault about backports |
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| 18:57.40 | superlinux | hi. I just want to know how to make wget go backwards an nuber of kbytes before resuming download on a file? |
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| 18:57.47 | superlinux | *number |
| 18:57.53 | abrotman | go backward ? |
| 18:58.00 | superlinux | abrotman, yes |
| 18:58.07 | andre_pl | superlinux: you have to delete those bytes from the file |
| 18:58.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | superlinux, cut the end of the file off |
| 18:58.26 | OperaFan | Hi, just had a DOH moment. I typed crontab -r instead of crontab -e (r= delete). I have system backups of my root filesystem, but I don't know where the user crontab lives, I have looked allover for it... |
| 18:58.40 | KB1JWQ | OperaFan: /var/spool/cron |
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| 18:58.44 | mersault | CutMeOwnThroat: I have backports, unfortunately there isn't a backports lvm I don't think. Unless I missed it |
| 18:58.45 | superlinux | ok |
| 18:58.52 | superlinux | i'll see about it |
| 18:58.59 | superlinux | thanks |
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| 19:00.20 | damasceno | Someone know, how much is a LTSP Server? |
| 19:00.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | mersault, that's lvm2 package? right... you could try backport it yourself... or you might just use a live-cd or something on a usb stick, boot into that and do all you need... (I gather you won't need that very often) |
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| 19:01.43 | stew | damasceno: how much? |
| 19:02.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | money, I think he means |
| 19:02.36 | dondelelcaro | damasceno: depends how many clients you want to spend. You can dumpster dive one in many cases |
| 19:02.41 | dondelelcaro | s/spend/serve/ |
| 19:02.51 | mersault | CutMeOwnThroat: hmm.... that's a workable solution. I think I have a recent ubuntu kicking around here somewhere... |
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| 19:03.14 | OperaFan | Thanks, got the file back... I find it bizzare the is a commandline paramater (-i) to say you want a delete warning. What drugs were they smoking that day..... |
| 19:03.27 | dondelelcaro | OperaFan: interactive is what it means |
| 19:03.47 | OperaFan | shouldn't these things default safe? (-r and -e are right next to each other on the keyboard!) |
| 19:03.47 | damasceno | stew, i will do that for the company, and i want to know how much should i charge... |
| 19:03.48 | dondelelcaro | OperaFan: and it's normal for commands not to prompt you for confirmation; you typed them in, after all |
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| 19:04.09 | nikolajbasher | Hi :-) what is the big different between ubuntu and debian? |
| 19:04.34 | dondelelcaro | nikolajbasher: #ubuntu will be more knowledgable about that, since they're the ones who modify what Debian distributes |
| 19:04.47 | superlinux | hi again. what command I should read about to chop off a number of bytes from the end of a file? |
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| 19:04.55 | karlpinc | superlinux: head |
| 19:04.56 | dondelelcaro | OperaFan: not really, because it gets in the way of real work. If this is a concern, you can easily use libtrash or similar |
| 19:05.00 | damasceno | stew, i have no ideia how much i should charge :/ |
| 19:05.02 | superlinux | ok |
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| 19:05.42 | dondelelcaro | damasceno: if you're installing it for someone and you haven't done so before, I just give an estimate of hours, multiply it by a fudge factor, and then charge them hourly for the actual time |
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| 19:06.07 | dondelelcaro | (but that's not really on topic here) |
| 19:06.20 | o2T7 | damasceno: make an estimation of the number of hours you will spend setting the thing up. Then, hours*dollars_per_hour_that_earns_an_astronaut. If it is too expensive, lower it a bit :D |
| 19:06.29 | nikolajbasher | Im using ubuntu but consider to chance too debian |
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| 19:07.16 | dondelelcaro | nikolajbasher: well, almost everyone here will suggest that you use Debian... but they are fairly similar, though Debian is probably more flexible and less desktop-only oriented |
| 19:07.56 | o2T7 | and Debian is even able to do dist-upgrade |
| 19:07.56 | nikolajbasher | Thanks |
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| 19:10.25 | antIP | o2T7 What is dist-upgrade? Is that part of the rolling distribution part of debain? |
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| 19:11.25 | karlpinc | antIP: The old name for full-upgrade. Part of what the release notes tell you to do to upgrade from one stable version of debian to the next. |
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| 19:13.26 | antIP | karlpinc: So does that mean that you upgrade from Debian 4 to Debian 5? Or from Debian 5.0.3 to 5.0.4? (Excuse my ignorance) |
| 19:13.44 | OperaFan | thanks, I wasn't aware of libtrash looking into it now. |
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| 19:13.56 | antIP | Karlpinc: In other words, which releases are considered 'stable'? |
| 19:14.21 | abrotman | 5.0.x .. but you sohuld be all the way up to 5.0.6 |
| 19:14.45 | runix__ | stew, abrotman: so, I configured mysql and sphinx to be marked as memlock.. we'll see how it works after a few hours |
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| 19:15.46 | karlpinc | antIP: Really what he ment is that Debian stable actually upgrades from one release to the next without breakage. It's the only distro I've come across (without looking at many) that does this. The safe choice with other distros seems to be a wipe and re-install. |
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| 19:16.19 | jhutchins_lt | karlpinc: Actually, several other distros have made a lot of progress with upgrades. |
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| 19:16.25 | abrotman | runix__: i smell explosion :) |
| 19:16.46 | karlpinc | antIP: Say, from 4 to 5. |
| 19:16.52 | jhutchins_lt | Mandriva's upgrade system was pretty smooth; of course Gentoo upgrades are no more of a mess than it ever is. |
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| 19:17.09 | antIP | karlpinc: right, that's why I've quickly become tired of other distros. |
| 19:17.13 | runix__ | abrotman: don't tell me that ;) this was my last resource! |
| 19:17.16 | karlpinc | jhutchins_lt: Nice to hear an rpm based distro can do that. |
| 19:17.36 | jhutchins_lt | karlpinc: Yeah, their rpm wrapper was getting pretty good. |
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| 19:18.33 | jhutchins_lt | karlpinc: The problem Mandriva had was they felt they had to match Ubuntu's upgrade schedule, regardless of how broken the software was. |
| 19:18.59 | jhutchins_lt | That and user-hostile support channels. |
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| 19:24.12 | karlpinc | Is it possible that Libreoffice will make it into squeeze even with the freeze? |
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| 19:24.20 | dondelelcaro | karlpinc: unlikely |
| 19:24.41 | dondelelcaro | karlpinc: but it probably will end up in backports at some point in time |
| 19:24.58 | dondelelcaro | however, if that's a concern for you, join the openoffice team |
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| 19:25.25 | karlpinc | dondelelcaro: I'd rather try my hand at poking at the kernel. |
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| 19:31.47 | thewanderer1 | one host can connect to ftp.pl.debian.org, the others can not. how to troubleshoot this? |
| 19:31.56 | dondelelcaro | karlpinc: whatever works; all of our temas need help |
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| 19:32.17 | dondelelcaro | thewanderer1: dig+traceroute |
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| 19:32.47 | thewanderer1 | dondelelcaro: traceroute just loses it in the middle, ******** |
| 19:33.02 | thewanderer1 | some stars like Christmas lights, just no route... |
| 19:33.57 | dondelelcaro | thewanderer1: that indicates that between that hop and the next, you have a broken routing table |
| 19:34.13 | thewanderer1 | yes, but almost all hosts work, just not ftp.pl.debian.org... |
| 19:34.17 | dondelelcaro | thewanderer1: if you don't control that part of the network, there's not much you can do besides asking your hosting provider to figure out what the problem is |
| 19:34.25 | thewanderer1 | I own the machine |
| 19:34.31 | dondelelcaro | thewanderer1: that's not that unusual for routing problems |
| 19:34.36 | dondelelcaro | thewanderer1: which machine? |
| 19:34.59 | thewanderer1 | I have a server-router with OpenVZ running on it and some iptables rules |
| 19:35.10 | thewanderer1 | however the logs are clean - no packets get blocked |
| 19:35.23 | dondelelcaro | what does the traceroute output look like? |
| 19:35.55 | thewanderer1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:36.00 | thewanderer1 | then rows of stars... |
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| 19:36.16 | dondelelcaro | thewanderer1: then the packets are reaching whatever 192.168.0.20 is, and they aren't going farther. |
| 19:36.28 | thewanderer1 | this is the router which does NAT |
| 19:36.36 | dondelelcaro | thewanderer1: can you traceroute from 192.168.0.20 to ftp.pl.debian.org? |
| 19:36.38 | thewanderer1 | same goes for facebook.com - I can ping it from LAN but not from the virtual machine |
| 19:36.54 | dondelelcaro | what kind of router is that? |
| 19:36.55 | thewanderer1 | tracerouting now |
| 19:37.00 | thewanderer1 | well, Debian... |
| 19:37.36 | thewanderer1 | from 192.168.0.20 I can reach ftp.pl.debian.org in 7 hops |
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| 19:38.14 | dondelelcaro | thewanderer1: so the problems are most likely with your iptables rules or nat table on the router. |
| 19:38.38 | thewanderer1 | iptables are fine, otherwise I would be getting spam in the logs |
| 19:38.57 | thewanderer1 | and ping works to some sites, while to some does not (all traffic the same) |
| 19:39.25 | pickcoder | ping is not a good gauge of connectivity |
| 19:39.27 | dondelelcaro | thewanderer1: all traffic clearly isn't the same |
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| 19:39.37 | dondelelcaro | thewanderer1: and just because it isn't logging doesn't mean that your rules aren't screwed up |
| 19:39.39 | boed | anyone care to help out a friend? got some problems with my apache web server |
| 19:39.43 | pickcoder | query a known service |
| 19:39.58 | thewanderer1 | alright, I tried apt-get update and it failed |
| 19:40.06 | thewanderer1 | (got ftp.pl.debian.org set as mirror) |
| 19:40.45 | thewanderer1 | now it works, how cool... |
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| 19:41.31 | thewanderer1 | and stopped working again |
| 19:41.55 | dondelelcaro | so you've most likely got a routing table problem on your router, or something else going on. |
| 19:42.10 | karlpinc | !tell boed about anyone |
| 19:43.08 | thewanderer1 | the router's net never breaks, neither does the LAN's |
| 19:43.09 | dondelelcaro | if you want us to spend any more time on it, we need to see the output of iptables -L -n; ip route; ip addr; |
| 19:43.52 | trifler | Is there a comand whick I can give a param (username) that return the path for that users home directory? |
| 19:44.10 | thewanderer1 | dondelelcaro: of the router or of the container? |
| 19:44.12 | dondelelcaro | trifler: getent passwd username |
| 19:44.16 | dondelelcaro | thewanderer1: the router. |
| 19:44.32 | dondelelcaro | thewanderer1: unless you suddenly aren't able to ping the router, that's where the problem lies. |
| 19:44.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | what would be the values I would compare first/predominately after I ran bonnie++? |
| 19:44.48 | thewanderer1 | alright... iptables are messy cause it's shorewall |
| 19:45.06 | dondelelcaro | heh. this is why you should use ferm instead of shorewall... but |
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| 19:45.51 | sigmonsays | Is there a reason why dget works perfectly fine to fetch a .deb on debian but does not on ubuntu? |
| 19:45.55 | sigmonsays | thinks ubuntu F'd it up |
| 19:46.00 | karlpinc | trifler: or f you're picky: getent passwd kop | cut -d : -f 6 |
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| 19:46.18 | helo | trifler: or maybe "echo ~username" or var=~username ... may be shell dependant though |
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| 19:48.16 | thewanderer1 | here's the net info: http://paste.debian.net/93892/ |
| 19:49.05 | trifler | I did like this -> cat /etc/passwd | grep trifler | awk -F : '{print $6}' just that I'm trying to help a friend learn bash and was just wondering if there was a command I diden't know about. :S |
| 19:49.31 | trifler | an "easier" way* |
| 19:49.35 | helo | i guess if their home dir has a space in it there will be issues with var=~username, and using quotes breaks the expansion... maybe var=(~username) is better |
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| 19:50.02 | helo | you can start like that, and use bash's parameter expansion... it is incredibly useful for bash scripting |
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| 19:50.24 | karlpinc | trifler: getent will get the info for you even if it's not in /etc/passwd. |
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| 19:50.44 | karlpinc | trifler: And cut is "simpler" than awk. |
| 19:50.52 | trifler | True. |
| 19:51.41 | thewanderer1 | well, I have 2 ip addresses on the container, can this be the problem? |
| 19:51.51 | thewanderer1 | they are in 2 different networks, but still... |
| 19:51.51 | helo | home=$(getent passwd user) home=$(home%:*) home=$(home##*:) |
| 19:52.10 | helo | with the added bonus of ending the line with a smiley face |
| 19:53.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... you meant ${} on the two last ones, though, didn't you |
| 19:53.25 | helo | err, yeah heh |
| 19:53.34 | thewanderer1 | no smiley for you then :( |
| 19:53.48 | helo | so an uncertain smiley... :( |
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| 19:55.00 | cusco | what is the difference between smtp and submission? |
| 19:55.02 | cusco | wikipedia states that the protocol is the same, only the port changes |
| 19:55.04 | cusco | is that so? |
| 19:55.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | (and also ; instead of spaces) |
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| 19:56.30 | stew | cusco: no, if you are on the submission port, then you support STARTTLS |
| 19:56.49 | cusco | aw |
| 19:56.54 | cusco | I guess that is a godd thing :) |
| 19:57.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | if wikipedia writes it, it must be true! Always if reality and wikipedia are in disagreement, consider this: Wikipedia is checked daily by many hundreds of volunteers... now reality... |
| 19:57.56 | cesurasean | anyone wanna take a stab at why squeeze did this to me while doing an aptitude full-upgrade? - http://pastebin.com/DRuPuJMh |
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| 19:58.06 | cesurasean | my grub seems to be broken. |
| 19:58.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | grub->grub2 ? |
| 19:58.46 | thewanderer1 | alright, problem with the network solved |
| 19:58.52 | thewanderer1 | it was utterly and completely stupid |
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| 19:59.23 | runix__ | abrotman: so far so good. gogo memlock! |
| 19:59.25 | thewanderer1 | I had 2 IP addresses and SNAT was working on just one of them, not enabled for the second source subnet... |
| 19:59.30 | abrotman | FIRE! |
| 19:59.32 | thewanderer1 | this gave me really random results |
| 19:59.38 | runix__ | abrotman: don't do that :) |
| 19:59.46 | cesurasean | yes, grub 2, sorry. |
| 20:00.08 | cesurasean | CutMeOwnThroat, you seem good with stabbing. you mind taking a look? |
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| 20:01.20 | cesurasean | errr is it required that i say 'super nerds unite' before anyone gathers the balls to try and help me with an upgrade issue? :) |
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| 20:02.35 | thewanderer1 | cesurasean: I have no idea why, but I can give you a hint - if grub-legacy works, stick with it. GRUB2 is not as mature as GRUB1... |
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| 20:03.18 | thewanderer1 | this error actually looks like a result of a partially-succeeded upgrade |
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| 20:08.33 | wuffi600 | does squeeze offer more features compared to lenny in point of notebook support? (suspend to ram/disk, powersaving, logon via fingerprint, wlan, dynamic freqence on processors, ...) |
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| 20:11.31 | karlpinc | wuffi600: Probably. But you can also use backports.debian.org to upgrade lenny. |
| 20:11.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | wuffi600, lenny has all of this... except I don't know about the fingerprint stuff... hardware is mostly a kernel thing, so you might want to use a newer kernel from backports with lenny |
| 20:11.49 | abrotman | wuffi600: those things are in lenny as well |
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| 20:12.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | see... and you also got a 2nd and 3rd opinion... all in one go |
| 20:13.09 | wuffi600 | thank you all for your hints. thank you |
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| 20:17.24 | ecksar | hi. where can i view update-manager's history of packages upgraded? my hardware acceleration for my nvidia card has stopped working. tried synaptic but that is only showing me changes done with synaptic. |
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| 20:19.27 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:20.18 | compaq | hi |
| 20:20.21 | compaq | I have a long one |
| 20:20.29 | dimir | ROTFL |
| 20:20.29 | Bushmills | wuffi600, yes. kernel > 2.6.26 as improved support for atheros, for example |
| 20:20.32 | compaq | one issue I have with Linux sound system these days, is PCM & Master Volume controls. There should only be one, cause sometimes I watch a video in mplayer and I turn the volume down, and then when I go to a flash video I have no volume, and when I try to turn in up in my dock, the volume is already maxed, cause the dock is master, but it is the pcm that is turned down. Its annoying. With kde, I have a master and pcm volume applets, that |
| 20:20.32 | compaq | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:21.25 | abrotman | compaq: i think the solution is pulse audio .. not sure i get your question |
| 20:21.28 | compaq | You know what I did, that works fine, I just set up two volume applets for avant window navigator, and set one to master and one to pcm |
| 20:21.38 | Bushmills | compaq, long password? |
| 20:21.38 | compaq | abrotman, I think I am already using pulse |
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| 20:21.54 | abrotman | though i think pulse is per-app, so maybe that's more of ap roblem |
| 20:22.05 | compaq | I just wish my volume apps would show my volume setting as quick info |
| 20:22.06 | ecksar | Bushmills: thank you |
| 20:22.21 | compaq | abrotman, well, I have to adjust master and pcm volumes on Linux |
| 20:22.23 | eldowan | I know the issue you're speaking of. its even there in etch and kde3 installs. |
| 20:22.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't think he asked a question... |
| 20:22.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's probably because it's a long one... it's not finished! |
| 20:23.14 | cesurasean | the internet Gods took away me internet for that remark i made earlier. |
| 20:23.44 | xyan | compaq: a well crafted .asoundrc might allow you to get your problem solved by defining which controls are available for your hardware.. but dont ask me how to do that |
| 20:23.46 | Bushmills | compaq, think of pcm controle as ingoing, and master as outgoing volume |
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| 20:24.25 | eldowan | Bushmills: how is that now? |
| 20:24.36 | Bushmills | volume applets usually allow you to choose the control |
| 20:24.47 | eldowan | ok, i get that |
| 20:24.53 | compaq | Bushmills, I guess, I could just put pcm to max, and then set my video player to control master setting, that way my dock and player both adjust same settings |
| 20:25.04 | Bushmills | pcm as input because you can set level relative to other inputs |
| 20:25.14 | EmleyMoor | Basically, Master is the overall volume, all the others are relative |
| 20:25.21 | wuffi600 | how would i configure logon via fingerprint (read by reader)? Is the typical way to install a pam-module based on fprint-library? |
| 20:25.24 | compaq | Bushmills, yeah, that what I did for now, I have two sound applets, one for master and one for pcm |
| 20:25.36 | Bushmills | and master, to control volume after all inputs have been mixed |
| 20:25.55 | compaq | on kde it looks cool, to have two sound mixers, but on the task bar it looks funny to see two speaker icons |
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| 20:26.19 | karlpinc | wuffi600: Hooking into pam sounds like the way to go. |
| 20:26.31 | Bushmills | often you can - by double clicking, for example - open the mixer, and set the other to max |
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| 20:26.54 | eldowan | compaq: can't speak for kde4, but in kde3 I've only got one sound applet in my task area and I control pcm, master, and others. |
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| 20:27.37 | compaq | eldowan, I am using kde3 too, and you can adjust in preference how many channels you want to control, I selected to control both pcm and master, so it shows two bars |
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| 20:27.59 | compaq | kde4 should be stable soon |
| 20:28.21 | eldowan | I click the speaker once, then mixer, and control them independantly form there. |
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| 20:28.45 | eldowan | compaq: I just don't like it. I have it at home and refuse to upgrade my workstation at the office to kde4. |
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| 20:29.07 | cesurasean | Anyone mind taking a look at my grub 2 error, which seems to bring me to a grub 2 rescue prompt? - http://pastebin.com/DRuPuJMh |
| 20:29.31 | Bushmills | compaq, i prefer to have programs which allow volume level control to do that on pcm rather than on master |
| 20:29.40 | compaq | eldowan, huh, you are silly hehe, kde4 is newer, I can't really tell the difference really though |
| 20:29.48 | Bushmills | that way, adjusting volume with one app doesn't change volume of another |
| 20:30.28 | eldowan | compaq: silly, of course! there are a bunch of little things I don't like about 4, mostly small. added up, its a headache I'd rather not deal with at work. |
| 20:30.32 | compaq | Bushmills, I am pretty sure I have the same setup, and that is what happens, if turn down the volume on pcm in mplayer, when I play a flash video the volume is down there too |
| 20:30.39 | Bushmills | if there is software volume control, even better |
| 20:30.55 | compaq | eldowan, like what for example, what do you do at work on kde? |
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| 20:31.27 | eldowan | compaq: I use it as my primary worksation. I use it for everything. |
| 20:31.34 | Bushmills | does flash even mix, i.e. using alsa or such? i thought it was still using oss |
| 20:32.14 | compaq | eldowan, what are you most used programs for work, openoffice? |
| 20:32.38 | compaq | Bushmills, well, adjusting volume in the flash player adjust one or the other, pcm or master |
| 20:33.31 | bolt | I have this rather long iptables-script that i've been using for years as a basic firewall on my machines. Just now installing a new one, and wondering if there is some simple tool that can set up a few things like this for me, like, preventing outside connections to ports >1024 so users can't listen on them? |
| 20:33.34 | eldowan | office, bash, konversation mostly. the app support is there for what I need, I just don't care for the environment personally. But I like XP's interface better than vista and win7 anyway. |
| 20:33.59 | eldowan | bolt: shorewall? |
| 20:34.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | Bushmills, you can force everything to using alsa with the aoss wrapper... |
| 20:34.13 | Bushmills | compaq, though currently volume level isn't really much of a problem - netbook with built-in speakers, i need max volume anyway :) |
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| 20:34.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | or so I understand |
| 20:34.40 | ElDiabolo | Hi. I want to modify my harddsk encryption (cryptsetup) such that it receives the key from remote (bluetooth, RFID, ..). So if you remove the box from our house you can't read the harddisk any more. What is a good way to do this? Blutooth? |
| 20:34.41 | compaq | Bushmills, it not really a problem, but a minor inconvenience of having to operate two volume controls |
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| 20:35.14 | Bushmills | for a desktop machine, a 5 1/4 " control module for a drive bay, which also includes volume controls, may be nice |
| 20:35.15 | compaq | eldowan, you don't care for the kde environment? |
| 20:35.27 | bolt | eldowan: i'll give that one a shot, thanks |
| 20:36.27 | eldowan | compaq: I love kde, I just don't care for kde4. |
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| 20:36.35 | Bushmills | CutMeOwnThroat, a, right. reminds me to try that, recently noticing that teamspeak also monopolizes audio access by using oss |
| 20:36.56 | compaq | I prefer kde because it works better if you want to make the task bar vertical, but since I use avant or cairo task bar, it doesn't make a difference for me |
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| 20:37.05 | compaq | But I think gnome is better |
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| 20:37.58 | eldowan | never cared fro gnome myself. but thats a topic for #debian-offtopic |
| 20:38.10 | CodeNinja | has anyone used gnotime before? I like it so far but I'm having problems with making a few outputs |
| 20:38.12 | compaq | eldowan, so exactly what are these little things you don't like about kde? |
| 20:38.22 | compaq | eldowan, kde4 I mean |
| 20:38.29 | Bushmills | yay, a desktop war coming up |
| 20:38.49 | eldowan | Bushmills: nope. |
| 20:38.57 | compaq | Bushmills, no I am just wondering, cause I never noticed any difference really |
| 20:39.14 | eldowan | compaq: thats not a discussion for this channel, and I don't really want to go through it on offtopic. sorry bud, maybe another day. |
| 20:39.29 | compaq | eldowan, ok |
| 20:40.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, start a desktop war |
| 20:40.45 | dpkg | KDE is better than GNOME, period. |
| 20:41.06 | eldowan | ha! dpkg agrees with me. |
| 20:41.09 | eldowan | !beer dpkg |
| 20:41.09 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Bornem Tripple for dpkg |
| 20:41.10 | compaq | I love the top right corner feature that lets you select between open windows, that you get with compiz |
| 20:41.58 | compaq | Debian developers put gnome by default, I think cause its more stable |
| 20:42.39 | compaq | But these days, kde is plenty stable, ten years ago, it wasn't |
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| 20:46.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | stable means unchanging |
| 20:46.31 | Nikyo | yes |
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| 20:48.05 | compaq | stable means, it doesn't crash |
| 20:48.35 | eldowan | compaq: in what context? debian stable is frozen, by definition IIRC |
| 20:49.03 | blip2 | still get security updates ;) |
| 20:49.06 | stew | compaq: that's not what debian means when it labels a release as stable |
| 20:49.07 | compaq | eldowan, I think you mean debian testing is frozen, as in they are not making any more changes |
| 20:49.42 | stew | its frozen meaning that we are still making changes, by they are made manually |
| 20:49.54 | compaq | stew, really, what does it mean then? Well, when I meant kde is stable, I meant is doesn't crash or freeze up anymore |
| 20:50.01 | stew | compaq: not changing |
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| 20:50.44 | stew | the reason gnome is the default choice is becuase when that decision was made some 10 years ago or whatever, gnome happened to be in better shape in testing at that time, and he had to pick one or the other |
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| 20:50.58 | compaq | stew, I was talking about a program being stable, if it is stable it operates as expected, if it is unstable, process run wild, it freezes or crashes, or uses up resources and must be killed |
| 20:51.15 | stew | its really not any more than that. if it just happened to be at that time that gnome was going through a transition in stable, it would have been kde |
| 20:51.40 | compaq | stew, that's what I said, ten years ago, when I tried kde, it would crash once in a while and gnome never did, but kde doesn't crash anymore |
| 20:51.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's not "unstable", that's "broken" |
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| 20:52.23 | stew | compaq: gnome was chosen for it stability, but stability in the sense i'm talking about, NOT because of the stability you are talking about |
| 20:52.29 | helo | stew: "he" was BP? |
| 20:52.30 | compaq | stew, I thought when testing becomes frozen, means they are not changing the programs anymore, they are just ironing out bugs or something like that |
| 20:52.43 | stew | it wasn't that it was less crashy, it was that it was not in the middle of a transition |
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| 20:53.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | compaq, you can only "iron out bugs" by making changes... |
| 20:53.07 | stew | helo: joey hess who wrote d-i |
| 20:53.37 | stew | compaq: when testing becomes frozen, the script that decides if packages can move from unstable to stable only does so when given a specific override for that package |
| 20:53.47 | compaq | CutMeOwnThroat, well, I am not part of the team or a developer myself, I am just regurjatating what I read at the debian website |
| 20:53.49 | stew | compaq: these overrides are still changed every day |
| 20:54.01 | compaq | stew, oh I see |
| 20:54.54 | stew | normally that block isnt' in place and the script will move packages ready for testing unless there is an override telling it not to |
| 20:55.03 | compaq | Well, gnome was stable in the sense that mentioned(doesn't crash so much anymore) before kde |
| 20:55.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | compaq, I'm just pointing out that what you say is a contradiction in itself (up to a point) |
| 20:55.19 | compaq | CutMeOwnThroat, change you nic |
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| 20:55.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | couldn't do that |
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| 21:02.52 | Nikyo | Hi |
| 21:02.53 | eshat | how can I enable DPMS without an xorg.conf ? |
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| 21:03.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | !dpms |
| 21:03.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dpms is know as VESA Power Saving or Energy Star. In X4.0.X add Option "DPMS" "on" to config monitor setting. After that it can be configured by using 'xset dpms <standby-sec> <suspend-sec> <off-sec>' or config file options (ServerFlag section). |
| 21:05.23 | eshat | CutMeOwnThroat: where to set that option |
| 21:05.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | eshat: you create the xorg.conf |
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| 21:05.59 | stew | eshat: you could run xset from .xsession |
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| 21:06.25 | eshat | Kamping_Kaiser: but I don't want to creat the whole config file. Can that option only be set somewhere |
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| 21:06.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | eshat, xset is a program |
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| 21:07.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | you don't need to create the whole file; its for overriding defaults now |
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| 21:07.59 | eshat | Kamping_Kaiser: ahh, that is good to know |
| 21:08.03 | eshat | Kamping_Kaiser: thanks |
| 21:09.01 | eldowan | Kamping_Kaiser: AH! thats great to know! thanks |
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| 21:24.50 | cusco | help! software complaints that I don't have a /etc/inetd.conf |
| 21:25.09 | cusco | in another machine dpkg -S /etc/inetd.conf doersn't return anything good.... |
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| 21:27.25 | o2T7 | cusco: dpkg -l *inetd* |
| 21:28.25 | cusco | yea.. |
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| 21:32.46 | cesurasean | cusco, did you find it? |
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| 21:41.51 | Mixxit | hey a file has changed on ftp and im wondering how i can trace it |
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| 21:45.20 | AimHere | Mixxit, "ls -s -t" from a bash prompt will show you the files in modification-time order, if you have enough shell access |
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| 21:46.20 | Mixxit | anyway to see what changed it |
| 21:47.27 | AimHere | If it was changed via an ftp session, your best hope would be the logs from the ftp server daemon |
| 21:47.28 | helo | Mixxit: beyond what its permissions would have allowed, i don't think so |
| 21:47.39 | Mixxit | i installed ftpd |
| 21:47.43 | Mixxit | i can't find it's config file though |
| 21:47.45 | Mixxit | i got it from apt |
| 21:48.09 | AimHere | You tried 'man ftpd'? That often tells you where the config/log files are |
| 21:48.32 | Mixxit | thanks |
| 21:48.57 | Mixxit | no manual entry |
| 21:49.42 | petemc | your ftpd would need to have been configured to log changes |
| 21:49.50 | Mixxit | damn |
| 21:49.51 | petemc | most likely it wasnt |
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| 22:02.19 | cusco | cesurasean: actually I found out that this is a bug in dovecot in bugs.debian.org dovecot shouldn't need inetd. upgraded dovecot from backports |
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| 22:13.25 | fabzor31 | hello #debian |
| 22:13.27 | fabzor31 | whats up |
| 22:13.59 | Bushmills | clouds, moon. stars |
| 22:14.33 | fabzor31 | heh wise guy |
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| 22:41.33 | stew | !qotd0 |
| 22:41.33 | dpkg | <MobyTurbo> nvz: brothels .. <nvz> I never even heard that word until last night |
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| 22:42.09 | streuner | wtf does brothels mean? |
| 22:42.33 | stew | streuner: a whorehouse |
| 22:42.38 | streuner | lol |
| 22:42.53 | streuner | poor nvz :-) |
| 22:43.06 | jelly-home | this is pretty much qotd-worthy in itself: <stew> !qotd0 <dpkg> <MobyTurbo> nvz: brothels .. <nvz> I never even heard that word until last night <streuner> wtf does brothels mean? |
| 22:43.40 | streuner | jelly: dont make me angry :-P |
| 22:43.42 | jelly-home | needs better quoting to make the point across |
| 22:44.07 | jelly-home | <stew> !qotd0 -- <dpkg> <MobyTurbo> nvz: brothels .. <nvz> I never even heard that word until last night -- <streuner> wtf does brothels mean? |
| 22:44.14 | streuner | hates qotd in a support channel |
| 22:44.25 | stew | !flw |
| 22:44.25 | dpkg | <wookey> novell wouldnt sell |
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| 22:46.11 | beardy | Heh |
| 22:46.20 | jelly-home | streuner: I mean, you just did the exact same thing as the person in the quote, after reading the quote |
| 22:46.29 | beardy | thinks it's one of the most important things. Keeps things sane. |
| 22:46.41 | streuner | jelly-home: yeah, i know |
| 22:47.01 | streuner | but, somebody told me... |
| 22:47.11 | jelly-home | an uncomfortably silent channel needs to be cut with qotd0 |
| 22:47.43 | streuner | we dont need quotd's, its makes our work harder! |
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| 22:49.27 | streuner | should every user read <smart questions> first? ;-) |
| 22:49.56 | jelly-home | you already know the answer to that one and it's an obvious one |
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| 22:52.58 | chovy | is it possible to set a variable and use it in a crontab? |
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| 22:54.06 | dondelelcaro | chovy: sure |
| 22:54.21 | dondelelcaro | chovy: but you'll have to be more specific with what you mean by "variable" and what you want to use it |
| 22:54.47 | fabzor31 | hai :D |
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| 22:57.28 | starenka | hi, i need to lock one specific ssh user into his home (or any other dir). i've tried to specify it in /etc/security/chroot.conf as 'user /dir' |
| 22:57.33 | starenka | but no avail :( |
| 22:57.45 | fabzor31 | ahh |
| 22:58.02 | fabzor31 | you want a chroot jail i think |
| 22:58.12 | fabzor31 | in the ssh config |
| 22:58.36 | fabzor31 | http://www.fuschlberger.net/programs/ssh-scp-sftp-chroot-jail/ |
| 22:58.39 | starenka | fabzor31: this would affect just a single user? |
| 22:58.44 | fabzor31 | thats the point |
| 22:58.51 | fabzor31 | you lock a user into a set chroot |
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| 22:59.02 | fabzor31 | so they cant mess with the real root |
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| 22:59.41 | fabzor31 | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ap-chroot-ssh-env.en.html |
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| 23:00.43 | starenka | fabzor31: ok, thanks!! |
| 23:01.26 | Spida | are there any (external?) packages for debian squeeze containing arm-elf-gcc (compiler for standalone binaries on arm7)? |
| 23:03.27 | starenka | fabzor31: wow, nice script, thanks |
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| 23:07.02 | fabzor31 | nps starenka |
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| 23:09.21 | Spida | fabzor31: isn't using chroot for security purposes still deprecated? |
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| 23:09.47 | Spida | fabzor31: I remember a long list of ways to break out of chroots... http://grsecurity.net/features.php |
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| 23:12.57 | starenka | fabzor31: one more thing, how can i allow the chrooted user to run some more binaries? f.e nano? i've tried to symlink it to the jail, but it does not work (sorry for my n00bishness) |
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| 23:14.17 | fabzor31 | no thats cool |
| 23:14.31 | fabzor31 | have you tried setting the permissions on the binary itself? |
| 23:14.54 | Spida | starenka: symlinking doesn't work. try hardlinking or copying (and don't forget the libs it uses) |
| 23:15.29 | Spida | starenka: ldd /bin/nano tells you which you need |
| 23:15.50 | starenka | which way is the preferred one? |
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| 23:16.01 | starenka | hlink seem more funky yo me |
| 23:16.07 | starenka | s/yo/to |
| 23:16.15 | Spida | copying is the preferred way |
| 23:16.30 | andre_pl | i wrote a shell utility, and I'm not sure if I've reinvented the wheel or not. my program spawns 'n' subprocesses of a command that you give it, and 'shares' the incoming lines from stdin among the subprocesses.. for (a very contrived example): cat hugefile.txt | myprog -p 4 -c "grep -i something" has anyone seen anything like that efore? |
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| 23:16.49 | Spida | if you symlink the file, a user in the chroot can change the binary and influence users outside the chroot |
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| 23:17.00 | Spida | s/symlink/hardlink/ |
| 23:17.15 | mjmt | andre_pl: tee? |
| 23:17.36 | andre_pl | mjmt: tee sends the same down both ends |
| 23:17.41 | andre_pl | mine splits the lines |
| 23:17.59 | Spida | starenka: but if a user manages to get root in the chroot, he can break out of the chroot anyway. |
| 23:18.24 | andre_pl | also it would require 4 tee's wouldn't it? :) |
| 23:18.28 | mjmt | tee | paste then. Your description is fairly vague. |
| 23:19.26 | mjmt | I'll think about it after my morning coffee. :) |
| 23:20.12 | andre_pl | mjmt: basically my example would do the exact same thing as grep -i something hugefile.txt except it would launch 4 greps to do it. obviously not every efficient, but when its something more expensive than grep, it is. |
| 23:22.03 | starenka | Spida: hmm i did copied the libs stated w/ ldd, but i got "Error opening terminal: xterm." after running nano |
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| 23:22.36 | peterrooney | andre_pl: can't see the difference between this and tee |
| 23:22.37 | mjmt | Ahh, makes sense now, if it's something a lot more intensive than grep at least. |
| 23:23.47 | andre_pl | peterrooney: with tee every line is sent to both processes. with mine the lines are "dealt out" to n identical subprocesses |
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| 23:24.35 | peterrooney | andre_pl: as in line N is set to subproc (N mod 4) ? |
| 23:24.41 | andre_pl | right |
| 23:24.56 | andre_pl | its almost map-reducey |
| 23:25.03 | andre_pl | with a half-assed reduce |
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| 23:25.15 | andre_pl | just kind of pukes everything out. |
| 23:26.28 | peterrooney | sounds more like a task for #perl |
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| 23:28.09 | jelly-home | andre_pl: GNU xargs has a paralellization option |
| 23:28.38 | andre_pl | jelly-home: with xargs the commands may be launched hundreds of times though right? |
| 23:28.51 | jelly-home | yeah, it goes thru all of its stdin |
| 23:29.12 | jelly-home | typical use is find | xargs do stuff with results |
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| 23:30.13 | jelly-home | but it gives its stdin to commands as arguments |
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| 23:33.00 | andre_pl | jelly-home: yeah i dont think its quite the same. |
| 23:33.13 | andre_pl | jelly-home: there is some more explanation of it here: http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/dnsil/i_wrote_a_shell_utility_that_may_or_may_not_have/ |
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| 23:36.48 | fas3r | how can i compare with a if two hexa number in bash ? |
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| 23:39.14 | mjmt | fas3r: if ((EXPR)) See: help \(\( |
| 23:40.03 | mjmt | E.g.: if ((0x1b == 27)); then echo "Equal."; fi |
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| 23:41.06 | jelly-home | andre_pl: yeah, while it might exist, I don't know of a utility that does it |
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| 23:42.38 | andre_pl | jelly-home: thats a good thing. I know it can be accomplished with a bunch of mkfifo's and some shell magic, but its quite a bit of work |
| 23:42.49 | jelly-home | *nod* |
| 23:43.09 | jelly-home | and named pipes are ugly ;-) |
| 23:43.32 | andre_pl | enough to merit me writing the utility, so since nobody seems to know of anything with the same functionality, i may polish it up and release it. |
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| 23:44.33 | lenz | hey guys |
| 23:44.38 | lenz | can someone help |
| 23:44.42 | lenz | im trying to record with linux and i cant |
| 23:44.45 | lenz | this is real important |
| 23:44.54 | lenz | i plug into the soundcard input |
| 23:44.58 | lenz | and i hear silence |
| 23:45.06 | jelly-home | my inputs are usually already split enough to be able to parallelize using xargs or a simpler shell loop + wait |
| 23:45.28 | mjmt | lenz: The Enter key is not punctuation. |
| 23:45.29 | lenz | anyone? |
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| 23:45.32 | lenz | kk |
| 23:45.33 | lenz | sorry |
| 23:45.45 | andre_pl | lol. |
| 23:45.55 | lenz | this is really important though, i need to record something really badly and i cant get linux to pick sound from my sound card input |
| 23:46.12 | abrotman | linux? |
| 23:46.37 | andre_pl | lenz: check your mixer settings, its probably muted. |
| 23:46.45 | mjmt | lenz: Tried adjusting levels in something like alsamixer? |
| 23:46.48 | lenz | andre_pl: its not |
| 23:46.50 | lenz | yes |
| 23:46.53 | dondelelcaro | lenz: run alsamixer, hit space on the input that you want to capture, and make sure the levels are elevated. |
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| 23:47.03 | dondelelcaro | lenz: and make sure you're plugged into the correct input |
| 23:47.04 | lenz | how do i get into aslamixer? |
| 23:47.13 | dondelelcaro | lenz: run alsamixer at the command line (or similar) |
| 23:47.21 | lenz | it says command not found |
| 23:47.30 | lenz | robert@C03:~$ aslamixer bash: aslamixer: command not found |
| 23:47.34 | abrotman | lenz: alsamixer .. not aslamixer |
| 23:47.44 | lenz | ah |
| 23:47.45 | mjmt | alsamixer lives in package alsa-utils |
| 23:47.55 | lenz | yeah i have that |
| 23:48.04 | lenz | ive tried all the ports |
| 23:48.05 | lenz | nothing |
| 23:48.15 | lenz | there is nothing coming through the input ports |
| 23:48.17 | lenz | the output is fine |
| 23:49.38 | lenz | dondelelcaro: any ideas? |
| 23:49.42 | lenz | this is really important |
| 23:50.07 | mjmt | Yeah you've mentioned how important you think it is. |
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| 23:50.21 | fas3r | THank mjmt i found the same things with my friend google :) |
| 23:50.40 | lenz | so... |
| 23:50.51 | lenz | .... |
| 23:50.56 | lenz | sound coming into my pc |
| 23:50.58 | lenz | there is none |
| 23:52.01 | mjmt | lenz: Could be a hardware glitch, in which case cold boot, might help. |
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| 23:53.15 | lenz | hmm |
| 23:53.18 | lenz | i doubt it |
| 23:53.20 | lenz | but ill try |
| 23:53.40 | mjmt | I've had similar problems that that's fixed. |
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| 23:55.26 | mjmt | They just don't make sound hardware like they used to. :\ I have an SB16 here somewhere, still works perfectly. |
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| 23:56.26 | jelly-home | lenz: also, if you have new enough hardware and an old enough kernel (= alsa drivers), the driver might be using generic wiring instructions while the hardware may need custom gpio setup (often provided in newer versions of the driver) |
| 23:58.54 | jelly-home | lenz: if you know how to select the input channel properly, are sure your signal is connected to the correct input, and you chose appropriate pre-amplification, you might want to try #alsa channel (but be prepared to wait a few hours or until tomorrow for an answer) |
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| 23:59.39 | abrotman | /nick oompaloompa |
