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| 00:00.42 | lenz | hey guys |
| 00:00.46 | lenz | im back |
| 00:00.50 | lenz | and there is still no sound |
| 00:00.52 | lenz | ima try jackd |
| 00:01.01 | lenz | i cant start it cos its conflicting with alsa or oss or something |
| 00:01.03 | lenz | how do i stop that? |
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| 00:01.34 | jelly-home | lenz: putting extra software layers won't help if you can't use a simple arecord |
| 00:01.47 | lenz | i think this *might* help |
| 00:01.50 | lenz | can i please try it |
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| 00:01.58 | lenz | how do i stop the sound managers currently running? |
| 00:02.27 | jelly-home | !list alsa users |
| 00:02.27 | dpkg | To see what processes are using (and perhaps blocking) your sound device: ps `lsof +D /dev -F rt | awk '/^p/ {pid=$1} /^t/ {type=$1} /^r0x74..$/ && type == "tCHR" {print pid} /^r0xe..$/ && type == "tCHR" {print pid}' | cut -c 2- | uniq`. Alternatively, fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp /dev/mixer |
| 00:03.54 | jelly-home | lenz: kill the processes holding the sound devices open |
| 00:04.08 | lenz | that command throws a synatx error |
| 00:04.26 | jelly-home | use the shorter one, then; main the typos. |
| 00:04.29 | jelly-home | mind* |
| 00:04.31 | lenz | nvm |
| 00:04.55 | lenz | nope |
| 00:04.58 | lenz | i still cant start jack |
| 00:05.10 | lenz | 01:04:44.150 Could not connect to JACK server as client. - Overall operation failed. - Unable to connect to server. Please check the messages window for more info. |
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| 00:06.05 | jelly-home | lenz: jack is an extra userspace layer on top of alsa or oss drivers. It won't help you configure the underlying driver correctly |
| 00:06.52 | lenz | well the thing is |
| 00:06.56 | lenz | when im trying to record |
| 00:07.16 | jelly-home | please write a complete thought in a single line |
| 00:07.37 | lenz | the only listed recording device is digital(which is my coax) and capture which i assume to be the soundcard output |
| 00:07.42 | lenz | thats all i see for recording devices |
| 00:08.33 | jelly-home | trying to record using what software? What does alsamixer show as recording controls / inputs? does arecord work any different? |
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| 00:13.43 | jelly-home | "capture" is a control that uses input you choose eg. amongst available capture (F4) inputs in alsamixer, selected with space in alsamixer interface |
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| 00:16.10 | thepro4ever | what is the cause or when shold I see my cpu spike? |
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| 00:18.56 | lenswipe | back |
| 00:18.59 | lenswipe | after yet another cold boot |
| 00:19.08 | lenswipe | with still no sound input |
| 00:19.39 | lenswipe | and now i have no sound whatsoever |
| 00:19.44 | lenswipe | i love debian |
| 00:20.39 | lenswipe | jelly-home, poke |
| 00:21.23 | lenswipe | jelly-home, yep no sound, when i try and do the sound test i get "audiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512 ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink profile=chat: Could not open audio device for playback." |
| 00:21.29 | lenswipe | jelly-home, any ideas? |
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| 00:22.35 | jelly-home | thepro4ever: "top" can often point out cpu consumers |
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| 00:22.59 | thepro4ever | jelly-home: right but what i'm asking is when do processes max out the cpu? |
| 00:23.22 | thepro4ever | what is the cause of that |
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| 00:24.44 | meltphace | why is there no uswsusp package in squeeze |
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| 00:25.37 | lenswipe | back |
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| 00:25.46 | lenswipe | i didnt get that recording done in the end |
| 00:25.50 | lenswipe | bravo :D |
| 00:25.59 | lenswipe | but i would at least like the sound back on my computer |
| 00:26.09 | lenswipe | so if someone could trouble themselves to help with that, id appreciate it |
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| 00:27.33 | lenswipe | anyone? |
| 00:27.35 | lenswipe | ....aparently not |
| 00:27.51 | mjmt | lenswipe: So it's even worse now? |
| 00:28.10 | lenswipe | mjmt, yes, when i started i at least had sound coming *OUT* of the computer |
| 00:28.17 | lenswipe | which after 2 cold boots has also vanished |
| 00:28.25 | mjmt | Only thing I'd suggest is maybe trying a live CD of some other OS, rule out your current one as the cause. |
| 00:28.35 | lenswipe | could this be another joy of debian? i wonder.... |
| 00:28.50 | lenswipe | mjmt, i cant use liveCDs |
| 00:29.04 | lenswipe | more often than not my SATA controller isnt supported |
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| 00:29.10 | lenswipe | i had to backport a kernel to get debian to install |
| 00:29.12 | mjmt | K. Is this an actual soundcard? |
| 00:29.15 | streuner | lenswipe: lots of joy are in different OS's , trust me on that one :-P |
| 00:29.18 | lenswipe | mjmt, its in my mobo |
| 00:29.29 | lenswipe | streuner, i belive you, i came from winshit vista |
| 00:29.36 | lenswipe | but at least the sound worked |
| 00:29.48 | streuner | lenswipe: argh, then you know what i mean :-P |
| 00:29.54 | mjmt | Man, I've lost count of how many motherboards I've scrapped 'cause the sound died. |
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| 00:30.37 | streuner | lenswipe: however ALSA is default, but there are some other soundsystems available in Linux... |
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| 00:31.13 | streuner | lenswipe: for example OSS4 |
| 00:31.28 | meltphace | mjmt: why would you do that? pci soundcard? usb soundcard? |
| 00:31.40 | lenswipe | streuner, yeah |
| 00:31.40 | mjmt | meltphace: Onboard. |
| 00:31.41 | meltphace | lenswipe: alsamixer ? |
| 00:31.49 | mjmt | Never had a problem with actual cards otoh. |
| 00:31.55 | meltphace | mjmt: no i know what you mean, i'mm saying, just plugin a pci soundcard |
| 00:31.58 | lenswipe | meltphace, yeah i can open alsa mixer |
| 00:32.01 | meltphace | they cost like 2 bucks for a cheap one on ebay |
| 00:32.12 | meltphace | lenswipe: and everything is shown and the sliders work and shit isn't muted? |
| 00:32.16 | lenswipe | i probably wouldnt be as pissed off if i had just bought this f***ing thing |
| 00:32.17 | lenswipe | >:{ |
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| 00:32.31 | lenswipe | meltphace, no everything is as it should be |
| 00:32.45 | lenswipe | if you take note, i got an error earlier which i pasted in and everyone seems to have ignored |
| 00:32.57 | lenswipe | audiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512 ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink profile=chat: Could not open audio device for playback. |
| 00:32.58 | meltphace | i wasn't in the room at the time, could you repaste |
| 00:33.03 | meltphace | ah |
| 00:33.15 | meltphace | is this a new or old soundcard |
| 00:33.20 | lenswipe | new motherboard |
| 00:33.24 | lenswipe | with soundcard onboard |
| 00:33.30 | meltphace | ok, right |
| 00:33.31 | lenswipe | which worked until i tried to get it to record shit |
| 00:34.02 | meltphace | do a sudo alsa reload |
| 00:34.11 | meltphace | then do aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav |
| 00:34.45 | lenswipe | robert@C03:~$ aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav |
| 00:34.45 | lenswipe | ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:996:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave |
| 00:34.46 | lenswipe | aplay: main:564: audio open error: No such file or directory |
| 00:35.11 | meltphace | o__o |
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| 00:35.25 | lenswipe | meltphace, dont you just *love* debian |
| 00:35.27 | meltphace | can you paste the output of sudo alsa reload in a pastebin? |
| 00:35.27 | lenswipe | applauds |
| 00:35.29 | lenswipe | sure |
| 00:35.34 | meltphace | i do actually |
| 00:35.41 | lenswipe | i *used to* |
| 00:35.44 | meltphace | i prefer to debug things like this, with real command line output |
| 00:35.44 | lenswipe | until about 10 minutes ago |
| 00:36.04 | meltphace | rather then some shitty frontend that some asshole wrote in python giving me an error message which is useless |
| 00:36.16 | mjmt | lenswipe: This could happen with any OS. At least with Debian you can do something about it. If Windows breaks, what options do you have? |
| 00:36.23 | lenswipe | meltphace, true |
| 00:36.33 | lenswipe | mjmt, ring someone up and shout at them |
| 00:36.33 | mjmt | At least with something open-source, I should say. |
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| 00:37.16 | lenswipe | mjmt, http://pastebin.com/99QUZ52z |
| 00:37.21 | mjmt | Heh yeah, but they bill you. :| |
| 00:37.23 | lenswipe | sorry |
| 00:37.26 | lenswipe | meltphace, http://pastebin.com/99QUZ52z |
| 00:37.27 | meltphace | lenswipe: that's just it though, i'd rather do it myself then ring someone else up |
| 00:37.38 | lenswipe | mjmt, id pay $2/minute for that :D |
| 00:37.42 | meltphace | who the hell wants to deal with customer support? i know more then thay do |
| 00:37.44 | meltphace | they* |
| 00:37.55 | lenswipe | meltphace, yeah but u can shout at them for being ****tards |
| 00:37.58 | meltphace | ok, so it is actually reloading a driver |
| 00:37.59 | lenswipe | it feels gooood |
| 00:37.59 | lenswipe | :D |
| 00:38.03 | meltphace | haha |
| 00:38.12 | meltphace | i rather enjoy the satisfaction of fixing a problem on my own |
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| 00:38.22 | mjmt | I'd love to see something like that itemized... "Use of word 'fuck'... $56 Suggestion that operator's mother is easy.... $17.50" |
| 00:38.29 | meltphace | and trying to upstream a patch or something of that sort |
| 00:38.35 | lenswipe | mjmt, LMAO |
| 00:38.53 | lenswipe | meltphace, right so how do i fixi this? |
| 00:39.59 | nsadmin | so you'd call them $56tards? |
| 00:40.58 | lenswipe | nsadmin, why stop there? |
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| 00:41.46 | mjmt | nsadmin: $56tards? |
| 00:42.46 | lenswipe | meltphace, soo.... |
| 00:43.08 | meltphace | lenswipe: i'm really not sure, dude. but i'm looking through some google results |
| 00:43.35 | lenswipe | me too |
| 00:43.50 | meltphace | oh, right. are you in group audio? |
| 00:43.54 | meltphace | try running that aplay command as root |
| 00:43.59 | nsadmin | n/m... that post of mine not so useful... I'm actually looking for git-cvsimport and I need the lastest one as it's said to import a particular repo without error |
| 00:44.20 | nsadmin | and also looking for gui frontends to git just so I can see some stuff |
| 00:44.21 | lenswipe | sae |
| 00:44.23 | lenswipe | same |
| 00:45.14 | lenswipe | root@C03:~# aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wavALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:996:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave |
| 00:45.14 | lenswipe | aplay: main:564: audio open error: No such file or directory |
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| 00:46.41 | nsadmin | exists /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wavALSA? |
| 00:47.24 | lenswipe | yes |
| 00:48.35 | abrotman | that's not hte name of the file |
| 00:48.36 | jelly-home | nsadmin: that's how lenswipe says "no, /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav exists but I'll just presume you meant that one instead" |
| 00:48.41 | abrotman | but that's nto relaly the problem |
| 00:48.55 | lenswipe | it doesnt work even if i point it at an exsiting file |
| 00:49.35 | nsadmin | well ok... so it's a misconfiguration in ~/.alsasomething? |
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| 00:49.45 | lenswipe | ah right |
| 00:49.57 | lenswipe | so if i delete my .asla directory and reboot that will fix it?? |
| 00:50.10 | nsadmin | that's an extreme action |
| 00:50.15 | mjmt | Rebooting isn't necessary after something like that. |
| 00:50.18 | nsadmin | dunno if it will work |
| 00:50.28 | lenswipe | i could just move it :p |
| 00:50.29 | nsadmin | ok, two extreme actions :) |
| 00:50.37 | nsadmin | you coudl |
| 00:50.41 | mjmt | At most, sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart |
| 00:51.01 | lenswipe | ~/.alsa doesnt |
| 00:51.05 | lenswipe | doesnt exist* |
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| 00:51.37 | mjmt | lenswipe: It's named .asoundrc, if it exists. And you would've had to create it. |
| 00:51.38 | nsadmin | any ~/.alsa*? or is it ~/.asound* |
| 00:52.00 | lenswipe | mjmt, it doesnt and i didnt |
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| 00:55.36 | mjmt | Hmm. So ENOENT (No such file)... what've you got under /dev/snd/ ? |
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| 00:56.39 | mjmt | lenswipe2: What do you see when you ls /dev/snd ? |
| 00:56.56 | nsadmin | whoever thought of that message and didn't finish his thought by including the filename should be drowned in horsepoop |
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| 00:58.15 | lenswipe2 | mjmt, dont know, im about to try a live CD |
| 00:58.35 | lenswipe2 | see if tht works |
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| 01:00.24 | nsadmin | that would probably just show you that it could work under a default configuration |
| 01:00.44 | lenswipe2 | nsadmin, and that it wasnt a hardware issue |
| 01:00.57 | lenswipe2 | which would be quite nice to know since i now cant get into my BIOS config for some weird reason |
| 01:01.09 | nsadmin | has it ever worked before under linux? under anything? if so, not hardware |
| 01:01.12 | lenswipe2 | fucking computers |
| 01:01.20 | lenswipe2 | nsadmin, yeah it was working about 30 mins ago |
| 01:01.22 | streuner | true |
| 01:01.25 | nsadmin | could cause skin breakage |
| 01:01.40 | lenswipe2 | ??? |
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| 01:02.34 | streuner | lenswipe2: there are different soundsystems for Linux available... |
| 01:02.40 | lenswipe2 | OSS and ala |
| 01:02.42 | lenswipe2 | alsa* |
| 01:02.47 | streuner | yes |
| 01:03.19 | streuner | in most cases users do something different to ALSA |
| 01:03.50 | streuner | but in some cases you need to give another soundsystem a chance |
| 01:04.05 | thepro4ever | how do i represent a newline when doing a search and replace in vi? |
| 01:04.55 | streuner | lenswipe2: do you use intel by any chance? |
| 01:05.02 | lenswipe2 | *sigh* |
| 01:05.05 | lenswipe2 | how did you guess |
| 01:05.20 | streuner | well, i had some issues |
| 01:05.27 | lenswipe2 | yeah |
| 01:06.04 | streuner | but, let me say, this channel proved me always wrong ;-) |
| 01:06.24 | streuner | in order that ALSA wouldnt work |
| 01:07.25 | streuner | its a dilemma, OSS4 works fine in Debian, but it doesnt support well flash... |
| 01:07.36 | lenswipe2 | hmm |
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| 01:07.53 | Parsifal | Not even using libasound2-plugins to tell libasound to use OSS? |
| 01:08.05 | Parsifal | I use OSS but I don't use Flash, so I don't know if that works with Flash. |
| 01:08.07 | streuner | argh, forget that |
| 01:08.10 | lenswipe2 | streuner, as time goes on im starting to wonder more and more why i dont own a mac |
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| 01:08.55 | lenswipe2 | ive yet to see a mac user having this bullshit to contend withj |
| 01:09.15 | mjmt | Uh... |
| 01:09.48 | streuner | the plugins doesnt support OSS4 very nice |
| 01:09.53 | mjmt | Mac can suck just as hard. |
| 01:10.08 | mjmt | Plus there's a lot less you can do about it, if it does. |
| 01:10.18 | streuner | specially for iceweasel |
| 01:11.07 | streuner | but if you want have sound, OSS4 isnt a bad idea |
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| 01:11.28 | Pavlz | hello |
| 01:11.34 | streuner | hi |
| 01:11.45 | Pavlz | i found two URL's |
| 01:11.50 | lenswipe2 | well anyway |
| 01:12.00 | lenswipe2 | can someone help me get this back on the way again |
| 01:12.32 | Pavlz | the first one point on ://mirrors.kernel.org/debian-cd/5.0.6-live |
| 01:12.42 | Pavlz | for debian-live |
| 01:12.58 | streuner | i doubt that |
| 01:13.37 | lenswipe2 | streuner, you doubt what? that you can help me get this working? |
| 01:13.38 | Pavlz | and the second one point to the URL: http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian-cd/5.0.6 |
| 01:13.40 | streuner | mirrors.kernel.org is a fast mirror, but nothing what i use |
| 01:13.51 | lenswipe2 | and now thats my sound back |
| 01:13.57 | lenswipe2 | seriously what the fuck is going on!? |
| 01:14.20 | streuner | just use an debian mirror |
| 01:14.28 | Pavlz | then there are: current-live current and project |
| 01:14.29 | mjmt | lenswipe2: Really sounds like hardware failure. |
| 01:14.45 | Pavlz | i have problem to acces to debian |
| 01:14.50 | streuner | lenswipe2: what kind of kernel do you use? |
| 01:15.06 | Pavlz | i want to mount a new one |
| 01:15.16 | Pavlz | on an other pc |
| 01:15.31 | streuner | Pavlz: its a second mirror, i prefer official mirrors |
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| 01:15.46 | Onepamopa | anyone alive ? |
| 01:15.49 | streuner | no |
| 01:15.52 | Onepamopa | ;) |
| 01:15.58 | Onepamopa | then, anyone familiar with gre tunels ? |
| 01:16.01 | streuner | we are all dead |
| 01:16.09 | streuner | argh |
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| 01:16.43 | Pavlz | this one http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian-cd/5.0.6 |
| 01:17.12 | Pavlz | but what is the difference with the first one ? |
| 01:17.39 | Pavlz | i am alive |
| 01:17.49 | Pavlz | i never dead |
| 01:17.51 | streuner | do you? |
| 01:18.20 | streuner | well, i just told you, just use an officiall mirror |
| 01:18.27 | Pavlz | ok i download from the second URL |
| 01:18.38 | streuner | great |
| 01:19.23 | streuner | and you still have stable/lenny |
| 01:19.38 | streuner | great |
| 01:20.11 | streuner | only trust officiall mirrors |
| 01:21.14 | Pavlz | is there a way to do a recovery of an hard drive ? how can i save the bookmarks of the browsers ? i can access only by sh to the Desktop |
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| 01:22.07 | Pavlz | i can use cp to copy all that is on the hdd |
| 01:22.35 | streuner | a backup would be helpful always :-P |
| 01:22.54 | Pavlz | thank you too much |
| 01:23.15 | Pavlz | i have not so much money |
| 01:23.16 | streuner | sorry, but thats the truth... |
| 01:23.25 | Pavlz | so i have to use what i have |
| 01:23.44 | streuner | forget that, external USB HD's arent that expensive |
| 01:23.52 | Pavlz | i have many works to do in the house now |
| 01:24.16 | thepro4ever | is this command legal? I have a shell variable as part of the replace string for sed, sed -e 's/basedir=\n/basedir="$installLoc"\n/' ./support-files/mysql.server /etc/init.d/mysql |
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| 01:24.28 | streuner | sure, but you'll need backups every day in furture... |
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| 01:25.01 | Pavlz | is possible that aren't so expensive in the other countries of EU and England and USA where V.A.T it is to 17% |
| 01:25.18 | Pavlz | in Italy we got the V.A.T. to 20% |
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| 01:25.28 | streuner | Pavlz: VAT isnt much higher in .de ;-) |
| 01:25.41 | Pavlz | 20% ? |
| 01:26.02 | Pavlz | i bought from *DE to 17% |
| 01:26.09 | streuner | Pavlz: hm, 19 percent, but keep in mind, the main thing is your backups... |
| 01:26.22 | Pavlz | we got 20% in Italy |
| 01:26.27 | thepro4ever | ??? |
| 01:26.32 | streuner | argh |
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| 01:26.41 | Pavlz | we are more Expensive than you |
| 01:26.50 | streuner | yeah |
| 01:26.55 | Pavlz | you are lucky |
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| 01:27.10 | streuner | Pavlz: but thats not the question... |
| 01:27.17 | Pavlz | many years ago we got V.A.T to 19% |
| 01:27.33 | Pavlz | yes, is true, you got reason |
| 01:27.42 | streuner | sure, but the question is, HOW you save your data... |
| 01:27.58 | jelly-home | thepro4ever: shell doesn't expand $foo inside single quotes. You can work around with 'quoted stuff '"$foo"' rest of quoted stuff' |
| 01:28.03 | Pavlz | but how to mount for example the browsers on an external hdd ? |
| 01:28.34 | Pavlz | and how to save account and passwords on it ? |
| 01:29.07 | streuner | Pavlz: how about to use backupo |
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| 01:29.12 | streuner | Pavlz: how about to use backuppc? |
| 01:29.36 | Pavlz | have you had way to read that now there is GNU/Mach ? |
| 01:29.52 | Pavlz | backuppc ? |
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| 01:30.10 | streuner | dpkg, info backuppc |
| 01:30.10 | Pavlz | i always exported the applications |
| 01:30.35 | Pavlz | i never known |
| 01:30.57 | dpkg | backuppc: (high-performance, enterprise-grade system for backing up PCs), section utils, is optional. Version: 3.1.0-9 (sid), Packaged size: 551 kB, Installed size: 2170 kB |
| 01:31.05 | Pavlz | is there a way to do a recovery about password and account ? |
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| 01:32.02 | streuner | i doubt that passwords are part of backups :-P |
| 01:32.15 | streuner | you know them or not.... |
| 01:32.19 | pattonb | greetings: anyone familiar with having a rogue dhcp server on their network ? |
| 01:32.42 | Pavlz | yes i remeber them |
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| 01:33.27 | Pavlz | but is possible to copy all the URL's i watched with my browsers by shell ? |
| 01:34.07 | streuner | all pr0n? :-P |
| 01:34.22 | Pavlz | is not only that |
| 01:34.27 | streuner | hehe |
| 01:34.31 | Pavlz | there are many things |
| 01:34.36 | noodles900 | Pavlz: never tried, but your browser history is in .mozilla or where-ever |
| 01:35.15 | Pavlz | what means .mozilla or where-ever ? |
| 01:35.26 | Pavlz | why .mozilla ? |
| 01:35.53 | Pavlz | why you used the DOT ? before mozilla ? |
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| 01:36.13 | streuner | maybe its a hidden dir |
| 01:36.15 | noodles900 | Pavlz: what browser do you use? |
| 01:36.28 | Pavlz | many |
| 01:36.54 | noodles900 | streuner: I did say .mozilla |
| 01:37.03 | Pavlz | seamonkey, knqueror, lynx, firefox, chrome |
| 01:37.11 | Pavlz | konqueror |
| 01:37.32 | streuner | noodles900: yes, and Firecrap usually use that ;-) |
| 01:37.35 | noodles900 | Pavlz: look in each ones history in your home/user dir |
| 01:37.57 | Pavlz | i haven't yet used iceweasel |
| 01:38.04 | Onepamopa | 0xff.... |
| 01:38.10 | streuner | you dont use Debian then :-) |
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| 01:38.46 | noodles900 | Pavlz: you might even be able to import them into on - depeends on the browser, but you don't want to tell me what browsers you use, so help ends here ;) have a nice day ! ;) |
| 01:38.56 | thepro4ever | I'm having an issue getting sed to search for a line ending in new line for example i want to find and replace basedir=\n but when i put that as my regular expression it doesn't find it but will find basedir= if i don't put the newline, i need the newline to differentiate between this one and all the other basedir= occurrences in the file, here is the command i am using sed 's!basedir=\n!basedir=/opt/apps/mysql\n!' < ./support-file |
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| 01:39.37 | Metaphysicist | Is there a way to change grub2 to be silent and not pull up a menu without recompiling the kernel? |
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| 01:39.42 | Pavlz | but how to arrive to the chronology by shell ? if i wrote well |
| 01:39.42 | streuner | iceweasel is part of Debian, and usually you just need it... |
| 01:39.59 | stew | thepro4ever: try "basedir=$" where $ represents the end of line |
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| 01:40.35 | Pavlz | it is not said, any person can use the browser he wants, it must be only compatible GPL |
| 01:40.37 | thepro4ever | stew: you do know i'm using this in a script? i thought $ signified one of my variable names |
| 01:41.01 | stew | thepro4ever: not inside single quotes like you have it |
| 01:41.04 | streuner | Pavlz: we arent care, we support Debian :-P |
| 01:41.13 | Pavlz | and for many things, i have had the necessity to use different browsers |
| 01:41.27 | streuner | good luck |
| 01:41.38 | Pavlz | and i am happy for the support of Iceweasel |
| 01:41.47 | thepro4ever | stew: i tried what you said and it replaced the line with basedir=/opt/apps/mysql$ |
| 01:41.47 | streuner | great |
| 01:41.53 | Pavlz | i used in the past and was good |
| 01:42.01 | Pavlz | i hope is better now |
| 01:42.10 | Metaphysicist | Anyone? |
| 01:42.22 | stew | thepro4ever: you don't want $ in the replacement, (nor do you want \n, just leave them both off) |
| 01:42.26 | streuner | Pavlz: just use the binaries of FF then |
| 01:42.52 | streuner | Pavlz: but we still support iceweasel here |
| 01:42.58 | Pavlz | many many times, i find different pages in flash, and not all the times, gnash can help me |
| 01:43.13 | streuner | gnash is a PITA |
| 01:43.25 | Pavlz | PITA ? |
| 01:43.35 | streuner | Pain in the ass |
| 01:43.58 | Pavlz | and how you think to solve the problem ? |
| 01:44.13 | streuner | flash is a good idea, but not many apps. could solve that problem |
| 01:44.18 | Pavlz | other problem with the pages in JAVA |
| 01:44.26 | streuner | argh |
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| 01:44.37 | thepro4ever | stew: that worked! how the hell does $ represent newline for the search? |
| 01:45.06 | stew | thepro4ever: $ is a special character to match the end of a line, ^ is for the beginning of a line |
| 01:45.15 | Pavlz | in the past and not so much long, i got troubles with JAVA, it asked to be downloaded from the http://sun.com |
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| 01:45.32 | stew | thepro4ever: (man 7 regex) |
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| 01:46.02 | Pavlz | i downloaded it i opened and then the browser told me to download from http://sun.com |
| 01:46.18 | Pavlz | it is very strange |
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| 01:47.21 | streuner | Pavlz: you are part of an community |
| 01:47.37 | thepro4ever | stew: when i turn on special characters in vi with :set list it shows me all the lines end with $ but i don't see the lines starting with the ^ you speak of |
| 01:50.22 | Pavlz | i am alone, my mother is dead of cancer last year 16 march 2009 at 07:00 a.m. i am putting order in the house, i have to work in the house, doing jobs of any type and i have not much time to dedicate to GNU/linux, and i am sorry for this, i have to put for rent my house, and i do mountain bike AllMountain/Enduro i am not yet an advanced, but i just made more 712 km0s by bike |
| 01:50.45 | Pavlz | i was part of ninux.org and i am yet part of it |
| 01:51.46 | streuner | Pavlz: do you think we have no problems at all? :-P |
| 01:52.04 | Onepamopa | everyone has problems |
| 01:52.07 | Pavlz | i wrote too much about Free Software and i dedicate me too much about it till last year, now i am turning to write on the web |
| 01:52.13 | Onepamopa | even me - with a stupid gre tunnel |
| 01:52.13 | Onepamopa | ;) |
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| 01:52.56 | Pavlz | and to take contact with rms as i have had till one year ago |
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| 01:53.21 | xerophyte | say if i have network ip 207.126.164.129 and /27 how should i reverse dns zone looks like ? |
| 01:53.24 | xerophyte | 128-158.164.126.207.in-addr.arpa ?? is that right one in bind configuration |
| 01:53.28 | streuner | yeah, but who i can blame with that, you or RMS? ;-) |
| 01:53.55 | streuner | if you would ask me, i would guess RMS... |
| 01:54.04 | Pavlz | any got problems, and i gave you my notice about my recent history |
| 01:54.38 | Pavlz | RMS told me that he does not use IRC, i don't know why |
| 01:54.55 | streuner | bah |
| 01:54.59 | Pavlz | is mory dynamic the e-mail |
| 01:55.09 | Pavlz | than |
| 01:55.31 | Pavlz | immediately reply |
| 01:55.40 | streuner | it isnt a secret that RMS doenst like IRC much |
| 01:55.50 | Pavlz | and many clients |
| 01:55.54 | streuner | nah |
| 01:56.01 | Pavlz | i never said this |
| 01:56.09 | streuner | ok |
| 01:56.26 | Pavlz | there is KVIRC, i am using it now, i used XCHAT, and i used IRSSI |
| 01:56.45 | Pavlz | like me more KVIRC on GNOME |
| 01:57.42 | Pavlz | i bought too a t-shirt from GNOME and from FSF and from FSFEUROPE a CUP for the COFFEE |
| 01:58.04 | streuner | halleluja |
| 01:58.11 | Pavlz | i decided to pay all that i use |
| 01:58.52 | Pavlz | so i dres myself with all the things i buy on internet |
| 01:58.58 | streuner | thats a good mentality |
| 01:59.11 | Pavlz | i bought too CD of debian in then past |
| 01:59.26 | Pavlz | i made always, starting from 2002 |
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| 01:59.41 | streuner | well, you got he holy shirt then :-P |
| 01:59.52 | streuner | s/he/the/ |
| 01:59.57 | pablo_ | hi, is sparc64 architecture support deprecated? |
| 02:00.15 | streuner | dpkg, sparc64 |
| 02:00.16 | dpkg | [sparc] the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded systems usually run Solaris. For more information about SPARC, see http://www.sparc.org/ and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPARC . To install Debian, ask me about <install guide> and see http://wiki.debian.org/PortsSparc . For help with Debian on SPARC, join #debian-sparc on irc.oftc.net. |
| 02:00.24 | Pavlz | sarc is supported if i remeber well |
| 02:00.37 | Pavlz | i got asparc in my bedroom |
| 02:00.41 | Pavlz | sparc |
| 02:00.56 | streuner | Pavlz: must be a long time ago :-P |
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| 02:01.15 | Pavlz | is not something so special, yes is not much recent |
| 02:01.30 | Pavlz | i think 1997/1998 |
| 02:02.00 | streuner | ok, its ages in IT-histories... |
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| 02:02.29 | Pavlz | i speaked with the technician of sun and they told me that the same mother board , number V is used for the model X |
| 02:02.49 | Pavlz | i am not sure about this |
| 02:03.21 | Pavlz | years ago i was a fan of sun, liked me as company |
| 02:03.57 | Pavlz | and i made anything to try to enter to work in sun, till i found videos on youtube |
| 02:05.33 | streuner | Pavlz: the only important way is to survive |
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| 02:05.57 | streuner | there is no other important way |
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| 02:06.42 | Pavlz | which people were doing STRIKE, because they have fear to be dismissed |
| 02:06.56 | stew | thepro4ever: i'm not good with vi. i can assure you that ^ is the beginning of line character, or you can just look in the regex man page |
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| 02:07.46 | Pavlz | i take only position when ORACLE tried to put its own dirty hands on MYSQL |
| 02:08.02 | stew | < Pavlz> RMS told me that he does not use IRC, i don't know why < Pavlz> is mory dynamic the e-mail |
| 02:08.21 | stew | you realize he doesn't use a web browser, he sends email to a daemon that downloads pages for him to view some other time |
| 02:08.34 | stew | so I don't think he's looking for more dynamic |
| 02:09.00 | Pavlz | and now i have not understood why is necessary to work to a new suite for office, i don't understand why is not more possible to use OpenOffice, when really is distributed with the LGPL |
| 02:09.26 | Pavlz | we got all the reasons to use it, why we need to do a new fork ? |
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| 02:09.39 | streuner | tzz |
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| 02:09.49 | streuner | ask _rene_ :-P |
| 02:09.54 | stew | Pavlz: because they want to get away from the trademarked name and free of the people that controll it |
| 02:10.24 | Pavlz | they can't |
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| 02:10.53 | Pavlz | the LGPL speaks very very clear |
| 02:11.21 | stew | not about trademarks it doesn't |
| 02:12.00 | streuner | Pavlz: you should read about DFSG |
| 02:12.00 | Pavlz | OpenOffice is not important for me, but is important as moral and as ethic point of this actual problem |
| 02:12.18 | stew | what problem? |
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| 02:12.26 | streuner | yeah |
| 02:12.30 | Pavlz | i prefeer GNU/nano and GNU/EMACS |
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| 02:12.53 | Pavlz | the true GNU/EMACS not GNU/XEMACS |
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| 02:13.06 | stew | and I don't really believe this is a fork |
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| 02:13.10 | stew | its just a renaming |
| 02:13.16 | Pavlz | i prefeer the GNU/EMACS that i can use by shell |
| 02:13.39 | streuner | L |
| 02:13.41 | streuner | ö |
| 02:13.45 | streuner | omg |
| 02:14.08 | Pavlz | i don't know yet if is possible to use GNU/nano to write in *.html |
| 02:14.11 | streuner | Pavlz: WHY do you are care at all? |
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| 02:15.27 | streuner | Pavlz: you just answer that question why you are using Debian at alll... |
| 02:15.32 | Pavlz | there is not a correct reply, i am care |
| 02:16.23 | streuner | really? nah, i know that exactly ;-) |
| 02:17.08 | streuner | if you dont know, you have an issue |
| 02:17.13 | Pavlz | and then i want to test the GNU/linux gNewSense, GNU/linux Blag, GNU/linux Venenux an GNU/Mach |
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| 02:17.36 | Pavlz | i am sorry that are not yet supported the ports USB |
| 02:17.41 | HaarDz | http://www.dudalibre.com/gnulinuxcounter |
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| 02:18.15 | Pavlz | have you ever typed apt-get moo |
| 02:19.16 | Pavlz | is very very funny apt-get moo |
| 02:21.53 | Pavlz | DFSG i tried to read, but seems to be written with a style Open Source than Free Software |
| 02:22.23 | stew | Pavlz: what makes you say that? |
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| 02:22.28 | streuner | well, it is not the one or the other |
| 02:22.46 | lastk | hi, which packages has the gcc,make and others tools to dev? |
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| 02:23.14 | streuner | lastk: apt-get install build-essential |
| 02:23.28 | streuner | !build-essential |
| 02:23.29 | dpkg | somebody said build-essential was a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to "aptitude install build-essential". If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. Ask me about <qotd49>. |
| 02:23.51 | lastk | thank you streuner |
| 02:24.00 | streuner | np |
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| 02:24.53 | streuner | Pavlz: DFSG is a Debian thingie, and it has there own advantages... |
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| 02:25.58 | darthanubis | bash: /etc/init.d/samba: No such file or directory |
| 02:26.08 | streuner | ha |
| 02:26.32 | streuner | seems to be somebody who didnt install samba yet |
| 02:26.44 | darthanubis | you'd be wrong of course |
| 02:26.55 | darthanubis | hence my presence |
| 02:27.12 | Pavlz | and there is a document about all the distributions on http://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html |
| 02:27.32 | darthanubis | samba and samb-common is installed |
| 02:28.04 | streuner | and you think that i read that after 10 years using Debian? ;-) |
| 02:28.13 | stew | darthanubis: you want to restore the init script? |
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| 02:28.26 | Pavlz | 100% Free Software are: http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html |
| 02:28.30 | darthanubis | sorry man wrong window |
| 02:28.39 | darthanubis | lol |
| 02:28.42 | Pavlz | you have not to read it ? |
| 02:28.57 | streuner | Pavlz: DFSG and GNU are different, sadly |
| 02:28.58 | Pavlz | why not ? |
| 02:28.58 | darthanubis | Had debian running perfect albeit with crappy fonts |
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| 02:29.12 | darthanubis | missed the fonts and installed u##### |
| 02:29.23 | Pavlz | i have not created that document |
| 02:29.25 | darthanubis | now I', sad looking for my debian cd |
| 02:29.33 | Pavlz | i told only that it exists |
| 02:30.04 | stew | Pavlz: do you have a specific question? |
| 02:30.18 | Pavlz | you can decided to read or not, but if you don't read you never can say what is written |
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| 02:31.06 | streuner | Pavlz: free source is a term which is very different |
| 02:31.06 | streuner | Pavlz: well, free source is a term of RMS... |
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| 02:32.25 | streuner | Pavlz: sorry, but we are in a support channel, and we try to help users.... |
| 02:33.53 | Pavlz | i finished to ask at 04:06:28 a.m |
| 02:34.06 | streuner | Pavlz: if you want to go with that discussion, you just join #debian-offtic |
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| 02:34.29 | Pavlz | #debian-offtopic |
| 02:34.38 | streuner | yeah |
| 02:35.33 | Pavlz | a tic, is another thing, pepole have got a tic |
| 02:35.40 | Pavlz | :-) |
| 02:36.17 | Pavlz | i am at 41% of download about GNU/linux Debian |
| 02:36.55 | streuner | i doubt that you are satisfied with it :-P |
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| 02:37.42 | Pavlz | why is written GNU/linux Debian until GNU/linux Deb-Ian, is a name composed by two names of of people: Debra and Ian Murdock |
| 02:38.36 | streuner | it just called Debian :-P |
| 02:38.40 | Pavlz | and why is not registered the URL as http://ww.deb-ian.org |
| 02:38.57 | streuner | debian.org exists :-P |
| 02:39.04 | Pavlz | is more correct so as i wrote |
| 02:39.11 | streuner | and thats enough |
| 02:39.38 | Pavlz | anyway i turnback in stby |
| 02:39.45 | karlpinc | Pavlz: The guy who started it named it, and he's the one who gets to say. |
| 02:39.47 | streuner | stby? |
| 02:39.57 | Pavlz | stand by |
| 02:40.01 | streuner | ah |
| 02:40.18 | Pavlz | is more short to write |
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| 02:40.28 | Pavlz | stby |
| 02:40.35 | streuner | Pavlz: you are always welcome to #debian-offiic... |
| 02:40.50 | karlpinc | !tell Pavlz about wud |
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| 02:42.52 | streuner | omg, the whole bottle of Jack Daniles is almost empty ... |
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| 02:43.43 | abrotman | shocker |
| 02:44.23 | streuner | abrotman: hehe :-) |
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| 02:50.18 | hmw | I killed my apache with tasksel, then tried to reinstall. My /etc/apache/ seems damaged, mods-available is empty. I tried to follow a lot of instructions, but they all say something like apt-get install apache2 would be enough -which isnt. Please help me out! |
| 02:51.50 | abrotman | !tell hmw about confmiss |
| 02:52.04 | abrotman | and the package is apache2.2-common most likely .. depends which modules you mean |
| 02:52.44 | nsadmin | hmw: not enough info... first, so you had a problem and decided to remove apache? |
| 02:53.00 | nsadmin | what was the exact problem you had? |
| 02:53.26 | nsadmin | or if not a problem, why did you remove? |
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| 02:54.44 | hmw | i was trying to activate the mailing function and used tasksel. "Web Server" and "Mail [something]" was selected, when I used [OK] - then my web site was not working anymore. Then I did a lot of stuff and the main page was working again, but the virtual hosts pages didn't server PHP anymore, although the confs were the same. Then I had the stupid idea of removing the /etc/apache2/ directory. Now I am stuck. I already tried the apt-get line |
| 02:55.29 | stew | hmw: exactly what "apt-get line" did you try? |
| 02:55.46 | nsadmin | hmw: is the dir tree that is your web site still intact? |
| 02:55.46 | hmw | apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install |
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| 02:56.01 | stew | hmw: you need to give that a package name |
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| 02:56.23 | hmw | the web sites are still where I put them /srv/www/... |
| 02:56.35 | hmw | add apache2 to that line, sorry |
| 02:56.37 | nsadmin | ok, make sure you back up those files |
| 02:56.44 | stew | hmw: you want apache2.2-common, not apache |
| 02:56.47 | stew | err not apache2 |
| 02:56.49 | abrotman | i said that! |
| 02:57.08 | abrotman | checks to see if he has a ban .. |
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| 02:58.20 | nsadmin | see this is why I don't like debian controlling any web server software, and therefore/also why I usually build things up myself |
| 02:58.36 | stew | nsadmin: because you delete /etc/apache2? or why? |
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| 02:58.44 | nsadmin | in a production situation this is a disaster |
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| 02:58.59 | hmw | it is almost a production situation :( |
| 02:59.00 | nsadmin | I don't usually remove stuff under debian control |
| 02:59.39 | nsadmin | hmw: then you are almost required to keep full backups of every partition on your hd so you can restore them partition-by-partition |
| 03:00.00 | nsadmin | is it only yours? or are other people involved? |
| 03:00.21 | hmw | hrmpf ... i know... its a server 2 friends and I rented, and I crippled it |
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| 03:00.39 | hmw | its not a total disaster though, we will not loose money |
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| 03:01.29 | istevenmon | hi guys |
| 03:01.32 | istevenmon | hi guys i want to know if there is any solution to this problem, i want two dhcp server both in the same network segment, different range of ip pools for each one and different gateway for each one. how can i do so they attend every other client? |
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| 03:01.38 | nsadmin | well live and learn and all... |
| 03:01.52 | abrotman | nsadmin: i fail to see how this accident is the different whether in a package or compiled from source .. it still requires you to know how to get your conf files back, or the originals .. ideally you ahve backups |
| 03:01.58 | hmw | yeah. a python .load file appears to be missing (a lot of stuff is back now) |
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| 03:02.15 | abrotman | istevenmon: are they both running Debain ? |
| 03:02.17 | abrotman | debian |
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| 03:02.52 | stew | hmw: "grep etc/apache2 /var/lib/dpkg/info/*conffiles" might find other packages you might want to reinstall with confmiss |
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| 03:03.10 | stew | hmw: you probably want grep -l |
| 03:03.12 | nsadmin | istevenmon, I don't think you can have two dhcps in the same net, but you can have one that serves two ranges in the same subnet |
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| 03:04.12 | istevenmon | nsadmin: ok, but the problem is i want it to sever one client from one pool, the next one from the other one, etc |
| 03:04.19 | istevenmon | did i make my point? |
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| 03:07.35 | nsadmin | yes, understood... I personally don't know of dhcp servers that can do that, but if there are, it's still probably -one- server instance (otherwise, what? the servers talk to each other to schedule which one is next?) |
| 03:08.40 | hmw | Hmm... I don't understand this really: /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Invalid command 'Order' (the line with Order in: <Files ~ "^\.ht"> Order allow,deny Deny from all </Files>) |
| 03:08.46 | istevenmon | nsadmin: what if i use only one server with two pools |
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| 03:10.05 | stew | hmw: does /etc/apache2/mods_enabled |
| 03:10.16 | stew | hmw: does /etc/apache2/mods_enabled/access.load exist? |
| 03:10.32 | hmw | no |
| 03:10.52 | hmw | i guess there is no real way to fully reinstall it |
| 03:11.02 | stew | uhh, i might have gotten that path wrong |
| 03:11.19 | nsadmin | istevenmon: I've never done this, and also not looked into it... so, maybe :) |
| 03:11.27 | stew | oh, hmm, mod_access should always be enabled |
| 03:11.34 | nsadmin | stew: load-balancing dhcp? |
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| 03:12.12 | stew | nsadmin: no? |
| 03:12.37 | nsadmin | didn't think so |
| 03:13.17 | stew | istevenmon: why are you trying to do what you are trying to do? perhaps you can get there some other way? |
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| 03:13.39 | SaRy | Hello again :) |
| 03:13.56 | SaRy | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:14.32 | stew | hmw: does "ls etc/apache2/mods-enabled/authz*" return anything? |
| 03:14.56 | nsadmin | you might need a / before etc |
| 03:15.05 | nsadmin | unless you're in / |
| 03:15.06 | hmw | looked in available, yes. |
| 03:15.14 | SaRy | i was using the graphical installer .. so |
| 03:15.15 | hmw | but no access module |
| 03:15.38 | stew | hmw: forget access |
| 03:15.46 | hmw | not in enabled |
| 03:15.57 | stew | hmw: which aren't in enable? the authz ones? |
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| 03:16.03 | stew | hmw: is anything in mods-enabled? |
| 03:16.03 | hmw | right |
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| 03:16.16 | hmw | python and rewrite are there |
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| 03:18.10 | stew | hmw: you'll want to look through /var/lib/dpkg/info/apache2.2-common.postinst for a2enmod commands you'll want to run |
| 03:19.16 | apineda | Hey guys I need some help. I've always been afraid of messing with partitions etc. but I really want to install Debian. I have 2 partitions on one drive, with windows in one of them, and a seperate partition in the other drive (D:) created by windows (partitionmagic). Do I need to format D: then repartition within Debian install? |
| 03:19.45 | nsadmin | apineda: is this other partition empty? |
| 03:20.14 | nsadmin | and/or you don't care about the content, or etc |
| 03:20.18 | apineda | Yeah but it has a folder I cant remove. S |
| 03:20.48 | apineda | random letters, and within it two folders with processor names amd64, and i386 |
| 03:20.48 | nsadmin | define "can't" (either you are choosing not to, or don't know how) |
| 03:21.04 | apineda | It's just an empty volume otherwise, I dont know why its tehre |
| 03:21.13 | stew | apineda: it doesn't matter what is on the partition as long as you are willing to lose all the data on the partition |
| 03:21.20 | apineda | yeah I am |
| 03:21.33 | apineda | :D |
| 03:22.00 | nsadmin | ok, well, you could use the space occupied by the partition (i.e., delete the partition, make new one(s) in its place) |
| 03:22.20 | stew | or just use the partition without deleting it |
| 03:23.07 | apineda | yeah its going to be the exact same size, and I can use NTSF so I can just keep it right? |
| 03:23.19 | stew | apineda: you can't install linux on ntfs |
| 03:23.21 | apineda | I've always feared this stuff |
| 03:23.30 | hmw | alright, back to the semi-broken state - the virtual host miraculously does not serve PHP properly - offers download. checking... |
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| 03:23.44 | stew | apineda: but that's the filesystem in the partition, not the partition, you can replace the filesystem on the partition with another |
| 03:23.54 | nsadmin | apineda, what has you fearful? |
| 03:23.57 | stew | hmw: a2enmod php |
| 03:24.03 | hmw | the main page works |
| 03:24.13 | thepro4ever | will cp overwrite a file if it already exists? |
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| 03:24.18 | hmw | and i did a2enmod php5 |
| 03:24.22 | apineda | messing up format/partition/install and having my computer become a paper weight |
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| 03:24.28 | apineda | lol |
| 03:24.28 | nsadmin | thepro4ever: yes |
| 03:24.29 | thepro4ever | i'm trying to copy files to my mount and it doesn't look like cp is overwriting the files |
| 03:24.32 | stew | thepro4ever: yes unless you give it switches telling it not to |
| 03:24.38 | thepro4ever | my usb stick |
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| 03:25.00 | stew | thepro4ever: how can you tell they aren't being overwritten? |
| 03:25.03 | apineda | Alright so I'm going to use debian install to format the partition then? :) |
| 03:25.05 | nsadmin | apineda: do you have just the one computer? or also a second one? |
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| 03:25.38 | apineda | two perhaps. |
| 03:25.51 | thepro4ever | stew: i open my installMYSQL.sh script and it doesn't have the changes as the one in my home directory |
| 03:25.54 | apineda | mini dell counts? lol |
| 03:26.01 | nsadmin | ok, are you talking to us on the computer you are -not- installing onto? |
| 03:26.10 | apineda | no im on my computer |
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| 03:26.18 | apineda | the computer im installing onto |
| 03:26.21 | thepro4ever | stew: i am copying with cp -R /home/thepro4ever/installable/ . |
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| 03:26.38 | nsadmin | can you use the other one to talk here? |
| 03:26.50 | nsadmin | (and have both on the net) |
| 03:26.53 | SaRy | So guys , i can't dual boot Debian Squeeze ! |
| 03:26.56 | apineda | yeah, you would help me through? |
| 03:27.11 | nsadmin | or a bunch of us would |
| 03:27.30 | apineda | ok worth a try |
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| 03:27.59 | nsadmin | what I can do is help you make a throwaway install (at least)... |
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| 03:29.33 | nsadmin | I think you should start a handwritten journal so you keep track of the decisions made during install, what you install after, what config files (usually living in /etc) you alter and problems you encounter (and later, together with solutions found) |
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| 03:31.32 | stew | who does anything handwritten anymore? |
| 03:32.06 | thepro4ever | stew: i have no idea why it won't overwrite, i decided to just remove everything on my thumb drive then copy to it |
| 03:33.10 | thepro4ever | stew: its all there now but what is weird is that on the thumb drive it made some of the directory names lower case |
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| 03:34.56 | stew | thepro4ever: i'll guess that the filesystem on the thumbdrive is FAT which isn't treated case sensitive by windows |
| 03:35.05 | stew | or something |
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| 03:39.47 | apineda | alright so im on my laptop, im getting the debian installer for usb/i386 right? |
| 03:40.01 | hmw | Just to add some oddity: when I was requesting domain.com/, (one of the virtual servers) i got the PHTML file offered for download. It was something with the browser's cache. I think, I got it now all up and running again. THANK YOU VERY MUCH! |
| 03:40.29 | hmw | *pfew* this was a very long and exciting day. |
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| 04:43.57 | HermanDE | ...What do you do with a client who thinks Sudo, firewalls, mod-security, chkrootkit... etc are too complex and should be removed? |
| 04:44.59 | dsockwell | impersonate him |
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| 04:45.09 | hero100era | tell them use ubuntu.. |
| 04:45.24 | HermanDE | It's too complex.... |
| 04:45.33 | HermanDE | I'm betting they will install Win2003.... |
| 04:45.38 | HermanDE | And not patch it.... |
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| 04:45.44 | HermanDE | Then insist that it is secure.... |
| 04:46.09 | dsockwell | sell them a security appliance and then don't deal with them again |
| 04:46.11 | hero100era | it is secure..... who says not.. |
| 04:46.33 | HermanDE | 1000 hits within the first half hour of removing the security.... |
| 04:46.58 | HermanDE | No clue about the destination of the hits or success rate... Logcheck/tiger also removed. |
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| 04:48.25 | dsockwell | why didn't you tell them no? |
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| 04:49.08 | jpinx-eeepc | HermanDE: why deal with them at all? |
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| 04:49.09 | linux_probe | maybe they want rooted to cover themselves for other illegalities :) |
| 04:49.37 | hero100era | some times, easy is the most important things. in case there is really no worrying for security. |
| 04:49.59 | hero100era | for example a book store. |
| 04:50.08 | jpinx-eeepc | HermanDE: it depends on what is on the box - a mail server? |
| 04:50.10 | dsockwell | any particular book store? |
| 04:50.38 | HermanDE | Full web conference server.... |
| 04:50.38 | hero100era | who want to brake a computer for a bookstore.. |
| 04:51.04 | HermanDE | Mail/apache/java/streaming/phpmyadmin/db/ |
| 04:51.13 | jpinx-eeepc | HermanDE: in that case you have a lot of problems and could get your IP block blacklisted |
| 04:51.15 | HermanDE | How many vectors can you count? |
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| 04:51.41 | HermanDE | It *was* a sweet server..... |
| 04:51.46 | HermanDE | Full accounting.... |
| 04:51.53 | HermanDE | Full bandwidth management.... |
| 04:52.00 | HermanDE | Full backup.... |
| 04:52.05 | jpinx-eeepc | HermanDE: I presume this is your client - not you? |
| 04:52.23 | HermanDE | Full alerts on hardware, networking and software.... |
| 04:52.26 | HermanDE | Yep... |
| 04:52.38 | HermanDE | It was deemed too complex by the developers..... |
| 04:52.45 | jpinx-eeepc | then you need to enforce your terms and condition son your client |
| 04:53.04 | HermanDE | The contract stated that they have full control of the box.... |
| 04:53.13 | HermanDE | Basically my client signed a blank contract.... |
| 04:53.20 | HermanDE | We need to ask permission to access our box. |
| 04:53.39 | jpinx-eeepc | full control does not mean he is allowed to put your whole IP range at risk |
| 04:53.40 | HermanDE | I setup a clean and secure system... |
| 04:53.57 | HermanDE | Uh... The contract would make your eyes bleed..... |
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| 04:54.07 | HermanDE | It is hosted at SB.... |
| 04:54.23 | HermanDE | So, the address range is not my problem. |
| 04:54.29 | jpinx-eeepc | HermanDE: no it wouldn't - they all have a clause of reasonable use |
| 04:54.44 | HermanDE | I like that idea.... |
| 04:54.53 | HermanDE | The contract uses plain language.... |
| 04:55.06 | HermanDE | It stipulates that we need specific permission in writting to access the machine. |
| 04:55.31 | HermanDE | So now, this client is expecting to compete with WebEx..... |
| 04:55.40 | jpinx-eeepc | HermanDE: so it is your client, not your server, not your IP and you can't get access? |
| 04:55.55 | HermanDE | With a developer who believes that SUDO is an unnecessary nusance.... |
| 04:55.57 | jpinx-eeepc | wonders what exactly HermanDE s function is |
| 04:56.11 | HermanDE | Client contracts with a developer.... |
| 04:56.25 | HermanDE | Client contracts with me to do the management of the machine.... |
| 04:56.32 | HermanDE | Contract with me gets signed first..... |
| 04:56.44 | HermanDE | Contract with developer gets signed second.... |
| 04:56.46 | jpinx-eeepc | how can you manage a machine you can't access? |
| 04:57.08 | jpinx-eeepc | maybe your should read *your* contract more carefully |
| 04:57.17 | HermanDE | Clauses in contract stipulate that Client sets up the server and does initial management.... |
| 04:57.31 | HermanDE | Anything else is up to the developer.... |
| 04:57.36 | HermanDE | Yep.... |
| 04:57.37 | jpinx-eeepc | HermanDE: it's a non-sequitor - you have no role |
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| 04:57.44 | HermanDE | Yep.... |
| 04:57.46 | HermanDE | I know.... |
| 04:58.04 | jpinx-eeepc | HermanDE: and itt is not debian - so takt it to #debian-offtopic - I am in there too |
| 04:58.14 | HermanDE | It's deb.... |
| 04:58.30 | jpinx-eeepc | HermanDE: this discussion is nothing to do with debian... |
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| 05:01.24 | guzu | helo all |
| 05:01.51 | guzu | what's the best way to setup xp/squeeze dual boot? |
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| 05:02.14 | guzu | i've installed squeeze but xp was not added to grub |
| 05:02.38 | hero100era | use grub4dos |
| 05:02.45 | guzu | hm? |
| 05:02.51 | hero100era | guzu: use grub4dos |
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| 05:03.40 | hero100era | this way you can keep you MBR untouched and dual boot the both system. |
| 05:04.07 | nick123 | Hi - is there any place where "etch" application packages are archived? |
| 05:04.14 | guzu | hero100era: thank you very much. is there a way to just add xp to existing grub? |
| 05:04.25 | nick123 | i want to download squidguard binaries for etch, but I am unable to locate it |
| 05:04.29 | stew | nick123: archive.debian.org |
| 05:04.56 | guzu | other than editing grub.cfg by hand, of course |
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| 05:05.12 | nick123 | stew, thanks |
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| 05:06.37 | hero100era | guzu: #grub-mkconfig |
| 05:07.15 | mjmt | guzu: Do you have os-prober installed? |
| 05:07.37 | guzu | hero100era: thank, that seems to have worked! |
| 05:07.54 | guzu | mjmt: yes |
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| 05:08.17 | hero100era | if it's ok then run it again. like this. #grub-mkconfig >/boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 05:08.45 | guzu | hero100era: do you also know how can i tell debian to start in text mode by default? (i've heard there's a file in /etc/grub* that needs to be changed) |
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| 05:10.36 | mjmt | guzu: /etc/default/grub |
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| 05:10.48 | guzu | --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| 05:11.02 | guzu | mjmt: thank you very much |
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| 05:18.08 | guzu | hero100era: mjmt that worked great. thanks again |
| 05:18.27 | hero100era | you are welcome. |
| 05:18.34 | guzu | how can i reconfigure xorg so that it no longer freeezes the system? |
| 05:18.45 | mjmt | How's it freezing? |
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| 05:19.01 | guzu | i believe i have to change the default driver to vesa and/or disable modesetting |
| 05:19.32 | guzu | mjmt: i loose kbd and mouse, but pressing power button starts the sutdown |
| 05:19.37 | guzu | shutdown |
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| 05:20.30 | guzu | meanwhile it displays four nice screens/workspaces(?) in the upper half of the display |
| 05:20.51 | f8l | guzu: One of computers in mi schools lab had a similar problem. I think it was related to KDE. |
| 05:20.57 | time_squatter | I can't get my ralink wireless card to work and I've tried everything. |
| 05:21.36 | guzu | f8l: i don't have kde, only xfce (and/or lxde) |
| 05:22.20 | f8l | guzu: So do I, but I've never encountered such problem on my computer. |
| 05:23.03 | guzu | video is ati rage 128 pro ultra tf |
| 05:24.05 | andares | hey, how do I find the files that a given package installs? |
| 05:24.10 | time_squatter | what does it mean to 1.Add a "non-free" component to /etc/apt/sources.list for your Debian version. For example: |
| 05:24.16 | cesurasean | Ok, I figured my grub 2 issue. It was due to a broken hard drive on the raid.... |
| 05:24.28 | f8l | andares: Use apt-file. |
| 05:24.36 | cesurasean | can someone please tell me why, when i boot to the new kernel, i cam getting these error messages? ; - http://pastebin.com/SbkQAwcF |
| 05:25.13 | hero100era | cesurasean: can't open your site. |
| 05:25.13 | mjmt | guzu: The package xserver-xorg-video-r128 seems more appropriate than vesa. |
| 05:25.45 | hero100era | you may try paste.ubuntu.com |
| 05:25.50 | guzu | mjmt: thank you . unfortunately i have no idea what to do with it :) |
| 05:26.09 | f8l | andares: ... or `dpkg-querry -L`. |
| 05:26.11 | mjmt | guzu: Where you'd put "vesa", instead try "r128", in etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 05:26.13 | cesurasean | sorry, seems pastebin is down. - here http://pastebin.ca/1956176 |
| 05:26.17 | cesurasean | that one should work |
| 05:26.35 | cesurasean | can someone please tell me why, when i boot to the new kernel, i cam getting these error messages? ; - http://pastebin.ca/1956176 |
| 05:26.53 | time_squatter | can somebody here help me? I'm not a total newb at all but can't seem to figure out why my wireless card won't work. It's a known supported device |
| 05:27.02 | guzu | mjmt: ah, ok, any more user friendly method? (i can edit xorg.conf but i have many friends which are scared of the text editors :) ) |
| 05:27.13 | somiaj | time_squatter: debian breaks up packages based on their liecense agreements. non-free is software with some third party 'non dsfg' license, to add them to your sources list you can just $EDITOR /etc/apt/sources.list and add 'non-free' to the end of any source you want to include those packages |
| 05:27.15 | mjmt | guzu: It _should_ be autodetected these days. Ah well. |
| 05:27.55 | andares | ah, okay, thanks. |
| 05:28.04 | time_squatter | sojiaj: thanks, I'm editing the file now |
| 05:28.05 | guzu | anyway, first i have to run X -configure or similar to create xorg.conf |
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| 05:28.55 | hero100era | guzu: just delete the xorg.conf should also worksã |
| 05:29.15 | SaRy | Guys , why am i getting this error : failed to install Grub boot loader .. while installing Debian Squeeze. |
| 05:29.23 | hero100era | nowdays xserver don't really need xorg.conf anymore. |
| 05:29.32 | guzu | hero100era: i didn't had xorg.conf , ive created one right now |
| 05:29.49 | cesurasean | can someone please tell me why im getting these errors:????? - can someone please tell me why, when i boot to the new kernel, i cam getting these error messages? ; - http://pastebin.ca/1956176 |
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| 05:30.52 | guzu | mjmt: hero100era so, r128 is the one freezing the thing. i'll try with nomodeset on command line |
| 05:31.36 | somiaj | cesurasean: did you change more than a kernel, looks like both apache2 and proftpd aren't configured corectly (or they can't get info they need) |
| 05:31.48 | hero100era | vesa look ok for me any way. |
| 05:32.15 | somiaj | cesurasean: look though your log file for apache2 and proftpd maybe you can see what they failed on. |
| 05:33.05 | guzu | hero100era: mjmt same with nomodeset . next i'll try vesa |
| 05:33.40 | cesurasean | i dont have internet access either |
| 05:34.41 | somiaj | cesurasean: well it could be something with the module for your net card -- again look though logs see what is actually not working. |
| 05:35.07 | somiaj | cesurasean: is your network interface just not getting an ip from the router, or does the kernel not even see it? |
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| 05:35.49 | SaRy | So , how can i successful install Debian Squeeze for dual booting. |
| 05:36.18 | SaRy | can't seem to find a workaround ! |
| 05:36.26 | hero100era | SaRy: what's the problem? |
| 05:36.46 | SaRy | failed to install Grub boot loader |
| 05:37.03 | hero100era | ? can't understand. |
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| 05:37.22 | hero100era | you have to describe more details. |
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| 05:37.57 | SaRy | while installing from the Graphic installer .. i went through all the setups tell i got that error. |
| 05:38.26 | SaRy | Error : installation debian failed: cannot install grub bootloader. |
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| 05:38.48 | guzu | hero100era: mjmt veas didn't freeze the console but the resolution is not supported. i tried "ati" and i could see the picture but the input freezed again |
| 05:39.37 | SaRy | I burned the netinst iso to a usb with Unetbootin. |
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| 05:41.19 | chovy | does this work for crontab: 6-22/2,23-5/4 (6am to 11pm every 2 hours, and 11pm to 5am every 4 hours). |
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| 05:41.43 | mjmt | guzu: Yeah VESA is fairly limited (I don't think it even supports 1280x1024), pretty sure you have better options still though, have a google. |
| 05:41.45 | hero100era | SaRy: tell me your partation details |
| 05:42.23 | guzu | mjmt: thank you very much |
| 05:43.13 | cesurasean | somiaj, it shows an ip using ifconfig |
| 05:43.33 | cesurasean | i need to know whats these starpar errors are. just tried to reinstall apache2, and proftpd, and still get same errors. |
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| 05:43.38 | cesurasean | something is wrong with startpar |
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| 05:44.20 | cesurasean | it says the sever can't get ip, because of starpar |
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| 05:45.14 | cesurasean | startpar |
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| 05:47.46 | nick123 | Newbie to linux - in general - so bear with me if my questions are naive |
| 05:47.49 | SaRy | hero100era, as i remember .. i had windows 7 installed , and there was a free space so i added 2 partitions for Debian .. one for "/" and the other for swap. |
| 05:48.22 | cesurasean | Can someone please take a look at my strange startpar errors when booting my system up: - http://pastebin.ca/1956176 |
| 05:48.32 | cesurasean | PLEASE, someone please help me or throw ideas at me! |
| 05:48.38 | SaRy | The partition type for "/" Primary as Ext4 . |
| 05:48.39 | cesurasean | i want to get this up and running again, soon. |
| 05:49.17 | hero100era | what partition name it is? |
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| 05:50.10 | SaRy | /dev/sda3 ext4 / |
| 05:50.38 | SaRy | if i remember correctly. |
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| 05:51.47 | lcpfnvc | hi |
| 05:51.51 | SaRy | Although , i tried to install it in the entire desk , i got the same error : failed to install Grub boot loader . |
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| 05:52.20 | lcpfnvc | anyone here know what this alien package cconversion error means:Illegal seek at /usr/share/perl5/Alien/Package/Rpm.pm line 265, <GETPERMS> line 2166 |
| 05:53.02 | lcpfnvc | im trying to create deb files from rpms |
| 05:53.08 | lcpfnvc | package is rtems specifically |
| 05:53.34 | indecipherable | hat would be the best chmod for /home on a public server? ave a user a shell account and hes being snoopy; I want home off limits and all users directories off limits except to the users themselves |
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| 05:53.49 | Jon_ | sorry got logged out |
| 05:53.49 | hero100era | did you have a livecd in your hand? |
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| 05:54.18 | guzu | how can i install fglrx driver in debian? is there any source that has it? |
| 05:54.20 | Jon_ | I am trying to configure squid guard & it aks me what user/group squid daemon is running as |
| 05:54.30 | time_squatter | somiaj: thank you very much, your comment helped me solve my issue. My wireless card is working now. |
| 05:54.33 | Jon_ | ps -ef gives me 2 entries for squid |
| 05:54.34 | Jon_ | root 4392 1 0 Oct06 ? 00:00:00 /usr/sbin/squid -D -sYC |
| 05:54.34 | Jon_ | proxy 4394 4392 0 Oct06 ? 00:00:15 (squid) -D -sYC |
| 05:54.55 | Jon_ | so i am not sure what user squid is running as |
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| 05:56.38 | Jon_ | any ideas anyone? |
| 05:56.43 | hero100era | SaRy: installation could be complete. sorry that I can't help you just form your few words. but it is better have a livecd nearby you. |
| 05:57.35 | hero100era | SaRy: you may try grub4dos some time. it's quite a nice software. |
| 05:59.08 | Jon_ | hi - any ideas anyone? |
| 05:59.28 | SaRy | hero100era, np at all .. thanks for your attention. |
| 05:59.47 | SaRy | hero100era, Alright .. i'll look at that . |
| 06:00.15 | SaRy | from where can i grab the Debian live cd . |
| 06:00.32 | cafuego | SaRy: From debian.org -> CD images |
| 06:00.38 | hero100era | any livecd would be ok |
| 06:00.54 | guzu | ok, i've found it |
| 06:00.58 | guzu | http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#Squeeze |
| 06:01.02 | SaRy | Alright , am on it .. thanks a bunch guys. |
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| 06:01.16 | hero100era | my mean is if there is some thing wrong, you have to have a tool to fix it. |
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| 06:02.45 | SaRy | Sure , i don't mind .. i am running Ubuntu , but i am dying to install Debian :) |
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| 06:03.16 | SaRy | Alright , am on the live cd page .. |
| 06:04.51 | hero100era | for example. if you have a livecd you don't need any inataller. debootstrap will serve you really well. |
| 06:05.15 | SaRy | Nice . |
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| 06:05.39 | hero100era | if you have a ubuntu. debootsrtap is also quite good. |
| 06:06.45 | SaRy | one more thing , just to make it clear for me .. if i have the stable version can i still upgrade to Squeeze. |
| 06:07.15 | hero100era | sure. |
| 06:07.22 | SaRy | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:07.33 | SaRy | Great :D |
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| 06:08.53 | hero100era | debootsrap is the way to mimimal installation a debian/ubuntu |
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| 06:09.53 | hero100era | you bootstrap the basic system, and setup the bootloader. then it's done. |
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| 06:12.10 | hero100era | if you play around with gentoo lfs |
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| 06:17.42 | cesurasean | is there a way to reinstall ALL of my current packages installed by apt-get? |
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| 06:17.45 | hero100era | SaRy: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en |
| 06:20.09 | SaRy | looks promising .. |
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| 06:24.59 | Moult | i'm going to get a vps and i come from a gentoo background (vps provider doesn't provide gentoo), and so i'm debating between opensuse and debian. sorry for the trollworthy questions, but any opinions to help me make a decision? |
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| 06:32.16 | guzu | how do i tell debian to enter a specific resolution? |
| 06:32.26 | guzu | display* |
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| 06:34.42 | AimHere | From the command line, 'xrandr -s <width>x<height>' ought to work |
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| 06:50.06 | cesurasean | ive tried running /usr/share/mdadm/mkconf but command is not found? can someone explain what i need to do here? |
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| 06:54.00 | cesurasean | hehe server seems fine when im not booted into the new kernel |
| 06:57.17 | cesurasean | Package linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
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| 06:57.30 | cesurasean | whats the package's name? |
| 06:58.31 | cesurasean | nevermind |
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| 07:08.29 | l0st-soul | erm i have a question about apt |
| 07:08.55 | l0st-soul | when i "apt-get upgrade" i see this : |
| 07:08.56 | l0st-soul | The following packages have been kept back: bind9-host dnsutils libbind9-40 libdns45 libisc45 libisccc40 libisccfg40 liblwres40 |
| 07:09.00 | l0st-soul | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 8 not upgraded. |
| 07:09.15 | l0st-soul | although i have more than 200 packages installed |
| 07:09.28 | l0st-soul | how comes it says "8 not upgraded" and not 200 ? |
| 07:09.28 | Moult | sorry for the newbie question, but what's the difference between debian 4 and 5? |
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| 07:10.58 | l0st-soul | ok nvm, after a dist-upgrade it says 0 everywhere |
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| 07:21.14 | jelly-home | l0st-soul: sometimes even the stable debian upgrades introduce new dependencies, necessitating a dist-upgrade |
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| 07:23.46 | l0st-soul | jelly-home: tnx |
| 07:23.57 | joltcan | Moult: I guess most of the available software has changed version, and that there are fixes coming for those softwares |
| 07:24.16 | Moult | joltcan: so no real reason to stick to 4 (lenny)? |
| 07:24.21 | joltcan | Moult: and security updates are really one of the biggest reason to upgrade |
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| 07:25.27 | joltcan | Moult: No, I dont think so. The only thing that has giving me problems since v4 is that apache1 was removed, and I had some problems upgrading to apache2, but your milage will vary. I'm just using debian as a server platform, so I don't run any desktop apps |
| 07:25.43 | Moult | joltcan: yep, that'll be my scenario too |
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| 07:28.02 | cesurasean | can someone tell me why im getting this message when i post: this is not an old question, please help if you can! - http://pastebin.ca/1956288 |
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| 07:36.05 | HermanDE | cesurasean, What does your /etc/host file say? |
| 07:36.23 | jaggz | postfix is delivering remotely-originated emails to my virtual host mailbox, but locally-originated are going to the local username |
| 07:36.39 | HermanDE | cesurasean, Do you have the server name of "server1" defined to an IP address? |
| 07:37.23 | cesurasean | yes |
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| 07:37.40 | cesurasean | ifconfig shows a working ip address binded |
| 07:37.57 | HermanDE | cesurasean, Ok... what is the ip address of "server1"? |
| 07:38.05 | HermanDE | try "host server1" |
| 07:38.07 | cesurasean | 192.168.1.101 |
| 07:38.28 | HermanDE | Is that what the host command shows? |
| 07:38.31 | cesurasean | when i do ifconfig eth0 has 192.168.1.101 binded |
| 07:38.54 | HermanDE | Ok.... What does your name resolver show for server1 |
| 07:39.42 | cesurasean | im running now |
| 07:39.43 | cesurasean | hold on |
| 07:39.44 | HermanDE | ifconfig only shows the IP address being bound to the interface.... |
| 07:39.54 | HermanDE | Nothing about the domain name.... |
| 07:39.58 | cesurasean | connection timed out no servers could be reached |
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| 07:40.06 | HermanDE | Ok... |
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| 07:40.21 | HermanDE | So, it looks like server1 is not in your local name resolver database.... |
| 07:40.34 | HermanDE | And any other name resolvers rejected it.... |
| 07:41.05 | HermanDE | Do you have "server1" listed in your /etc/hosts file? |
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| 07:41.14 | cesurasean | /etc/hostname had server1, and /etc/hosts had server1.simplewebhosting.us |
| 07:41.21 | cesurasean | could that be the problem? |
| 07:41.25 | HermanDE | Yep.... |
| 07:41.35 | cesurasean | rebooting now |
| 07:41.39 | HermanDE | hostname is just a nice thing.... |
| 07:41.42 | HermanDE | Not necessary...... |
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| 07:41.51 | HermanDE | hosts is your name resolver..... |
| 07:42.10 | HermanDE | If server1 is not listed in your hosts..... Nothing will resolve to it.... |
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| 07:42.22 | HermanDE | Reboot is unnecessary..... |
| 07:42.27 | HermanDE | Simple 2 second fix.... |
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| 07:45.07 | reber | hi all. I have a crash on X startup on a server. driver used is r128. Xorg -configure gives the same. Ideas of what to try next ? |
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| 07:45.34 | cesurasean | eh, i dont get those error messages but still cannot ssh to the box |
| 07:46.03 | HermanDE | cesurasean, Is ssh running? |
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| 07:46.28 | HermanDE | cesurasean, try "telnet (ipaddress of the server) 22" |
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| 07:47.42 | joltcan | or ssh -v |
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| 07:48.20 | zayr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:49.03 | SlayerXP | zayr: DNS, lack thereof. |
| 07:49.06 | cesurasean | HermanDE, no internet at all |
| 07:49.10 | cesurasean | what could be wrong? |
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| 07:49.24 | zayr | SlayerXP: so whats the solution ? |
| 07:49.24 | cesurasean | i checked resolv.conf, network/interfaces |
| 07:49.27 | cesurasean | ifconfig |
| 07:49.31 | SlayerXP | zayr: have working DNS. |
| 07:49.35 | cesurasean | i dont see why i cant even ping anyone |
| 07:49.47 | zayr | SlayerXP: we have :X |
| 07:50.04 | SlayerXP | great, glad we sorted that out. |
| 07:50.06 | cesurasean | i cant ping my router, either |
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| 07:50.07 | Stercus | cesurasean: Can you ping on your LAN? |
| 07:50.10 | cesurasean | no |
| 07:50.12 | HermanDE | cesurasean, Are you running any sort of firewall? |
| 07:50.18 | cesurasean | no |
| 07:50.38 | Stercus | cesurasean: "arp -a" |
| 07:50.38 | HermanDE | Did you modify any of the ssh configs? |
| 07:50.49 | Stercus | Anything there? |
| 07:50.57 | cesurasean | i can ping my own ip, thats all |
| 07:51.12 | HermanDE | cesurasean, What do you mean by that? |
| 07:51.22 | cesurasean | arp -a waits to load |
| 07:51.22 | zayr | SlayerXP: any other idea ? |
| 07:51.34 | cesurasean | i can ping 192.168.1.101, but not 192.168.1.1 |
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| 07:52.02 | HermanDE | cesurasean, Did you turn off ICMP on 1.1? |
| 07:52.13 | cesurasean | arp -a says: ? (192.168.1.1) at <incomplete) on eth1 |
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| 07:52.39 | HermanDE | Stercus, Perfect... :) |
| 07:52.41 | Stercus | cesurasean: Well then your issue isn't ip |
| 07:53.00 | cesurasean | whats the issue, then? |
| 07:53.01 | HermanDE | cesurasean, Is the ethernet plugged in? |
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| 07:53.24 | HermanDE | cesurasean, is this box using a dhcp server? |
| 07:53.35 | hero100era | tar cjf ../package.tar.bz2 . |
| 07:53.37 | HermanDE | cesurasean, Is it looking for a DHCP server? |
| 07:53.48 | HermanDE | cesurasean, Can you hook a monitor to this system? |
| 07:54.13 | cesurasean | yeah i have a monitor hooked up |
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| 07:54.18 | cesurasean | im terminal right now |
| 07:54.25 | cesurasean | i have static ip |
| 07:54.35 | cesurasean | and the activity light on the card looks good |
| 07:55.08 | HermanDE | Try and go in reverse.... |
| 07:55.32 | cesurasean | huh? |
| 07:55.35 | HermanDE | Try different ports on your switch. |
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| 07:55.47 | HermanDE | Try and ping from 1.1 to 1.101 |
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| 07:56.18 | HermanDE | Are you trying connect both systems together or are you using a switch? |
| 07:56.28 | Stercus | And ping -s 192.168.1.255 |
| 07:57.09 | Stercus | Well, doubt that would work from your router |
| 07:57.14 | Stercus | So nm |
| 07:58.01 | cesurasean | im using a switch, but the switch is fine |
| 07:58.26 | cesurasean | i can boot the old kernel and get internet working |
| 07:58.31 | cesurasean | newer kernel bombs out |
| 07:58.49 | Stercus | Well that rules out physical |
| 07:58.54 | HermanDE | Sounds like an issue with the net card driver and the newer kernel |
| 07:59.06 | HermanDE | Stercus, I still think it's physical. |
| 07:59.18 | HermanDE | Stercus, Just a problem with the specific card and the driver. |
| 07:59.41 | HermanDE | cesurasean, What is the model of the nic? |
| 07:59.51 | cesurasean | eh, no clue |
| 07:59.58 | Stercus | HermanDE: Fair enough but it rules out switch port, cabling, etc |
| 07:59.59 | cesurasean | ls pci? |
| 08:00.26 | HermanDE | Stercus, Yep... Physical as in (no drivers)... |
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| 08:00.48 | cesurasean | let me switch cards around |
| 08:00.54 | cesurasean | and reload networking to prove that |
| 08:00.55 | cesurasean | hold on |
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| 08:04.03 | cesurasean | yup |
| 08:04.06 | cesurasean | it was the NIC |
| 08:04.08 | cesurasean | thanks guys |
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| 08:04.45 | HermanDE | Easy peasy.... |
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| 08:13.25 | angel-tsankov | does anyone have an idea why the virtualbox module (vboxdrv) is not loaded at startup |
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| 08:13.56 | zayr | angel-tsankov: what dist ? |
| 08:14.32 | angel-tsankov | debian lenny |
| 08:15.08 | angel-tsankov | @ zayr |
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| 08:15.45 | zayr | angel-tsankov: use it as daemon |
| 08:16.38 | angel-tsankov | zayr: how can I use it as daemon |
| 08:17.06 | zayr | how did u start it first time ? |
| 08:17.13 | zayr | did u make it ever working ? |
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| 08:18.16 | angel-tsankov | zayr: 'modprobe vboxdrv' makes it; there is also an init script doing the same |
| 08:18.24 | angel-tsankov | however, the module is not loaded at startup |
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| 08:20.40 | zayr | angel-tsankov: add vboxdrv to your /etc/modules |
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| 08:22.34 | zayr | angel-tsankov: |
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| 08:35.18 | krion | hi |
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| 08:35.51 | krion | is there a way for a xen dom0 to log domU's "console" like conserver can do it ? |
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| 08:36.22 | dsockwell | krion: try xm console <domain id> |
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| 08:44.00 | krion | dsockwell: yes, i use that |
| 08:44.09 | krion | what i want to do is log the console |
| 08:44.25 | krion | when a kernel panic append on a fully hardware server |
| 08:44.36 | krion | kernel panic aren't logged by syslog |
| 08:44.49 | krion | what i want to do is log the output of console |
| 08:44.55 | krion | like conserver do it |
| 08:45.04 | krion | it's, sometimes, helpfull |
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| 08:58.40 | classical_ | hey ppl i did xmodmap -pk | grep -i print http://pastebin.com/XAkdqujw and then xset -r 107 but prtscr works still |
| 08:58.48 | classical_ | why ? |
| 08:59.12 | reber | got a problem with an ati rage128 pro. Crashes xorg. with these logs : R128: Idle timeout R128CCEWaitForIdle |
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| 08:59.33 | reber | this problem is only with debian, as ubuntu works fine :/ |
| 08:59.57 | reber | i could try to copy xorg.conf but not shure that xorg.conf is still there with unbuntu livecd |
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| 09:16.30 | reber | ideas ? |
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| 09:39.57 | c333 | hi, all |
| 09:40.08 | c333 | I am working for "Using an IA32 to run 32bit applications", |
| 09:40.39 | c333 | I already installed IA32 base system by debootstrap and some other commands |
| 09:40.48 | c333 | then I wrote a piece of code to use chroot system call, now i succeed change root to ia32 base system |
| 09:41.00 | c333 | but i don't know how to change back to original debain 64bit system |
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| 09:41.09 | buntfalke | How to always install the package containing the debug symbols, too, for every package installed? |
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| 09:42.08 | c333 | how can it do to change back |
| 09:42.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | c333: just type exit? |
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| 09:42.22 | buntfalke | c333: To chroot, simply use the 'chroot' tool. To get back, simply exit the spawned chrooted shell. You'll be thrown back to your surrounding system, not chrooted, 64bits. |
| 09:42.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | buntfalke: not all packages come with debug symbols, you may have to rebuild them |
| 09:42.55 | buntfalke | Kamping_Kaiser: Well, then I always want to install them in case they're available. |
| 09:43.17 | buntfalke | Aint there sth like an apt option for this? |
| 09:43.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | not afaik, but i'm willing to be enlightened |
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| 09:45.06 | c333 | i do not in shell, i use chroot() system call in my program, and how to change back ? |
| 09:45.52 | buntfalke | c333: afaik, you cannot. therefore, fork, chroot in the child, and terminate it when done. |
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| 09:47.35 | armetiz | I there, I have a problem on VLAN. |
| 09:47.57 | armetiz | I have two virtual Machine, I can ping each other when no VLAN are configure |
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| 09:48.02 | c333 | buntfalke: thank you :) |
| 09:48.30 | armetiz | but, When I configure a VLAN on each machine using the same #vlan_id, I can not do a ping on eth0 & eth0.id_vlan |
| 09:48.43 | buntfalke | c333: np. btw, #c or so might also be helpfull in such cases, as this aint stricktly a debian question |
| 09:48.45 | armetiz | do you have a clue ? Because i'm pretty lost.. |
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| 09:49.00 | mrfree | hi all |
| 09:49.08 | trifler | armetiz: More than on nic in the computer? |
| 09:49.09 | armetiz | the routes are define well.. |
| 09:49.15 | mrfree | after dget... how can I unpack the package? |
| 09:49.22 | armetiz | no, just one nic by Virtual Machine |
| 09:49.26 | trifler | armetiz: Right nic defined? Pining from right nic? |
| 09:49.31 | mrfree | I need to modify some debian/ stuff |
| 09:49.40 | armetiz | the VLAN are configure over eth0 |
| 09:49.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | mrfree: dpkg-source -x |
| 09:49.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | mrfree: although dget usually does it automatically |
| 09:50.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | mrfree: sorry, i stand corrected. dget -x does it automagically |
| 09:50.19 | armetiz | trifler, I have answer correctly ? (I'm french, not sure if the syntaxe..) |
| 09:50.25 | mrfree | Kamping_Kaiser, thanks :) |
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| 09:50.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | np :) |
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| 09:52.26 | armetiz | I have check the firewall, no rules define and the input/output police is ACCEPT. (it's a testing virtual machine, so Debian out of the box) |
| 09:52.35 | armetiz | Im using VirtualBox.. |
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| 10:01.32 | armetiz | Can someone help me on VLAN topic ? |
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| 10:02.09 | armetiz | I just want to ping two Virtual Machine, each VM are configure using eth0 & eth0.50 |
| 10:02.10 | rvsjoen | not unless you ask |
| 10:02.23 | rvsjoen | interface aliases ? |
| 10:02.32 | armetiz | no, VLAN |
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| 10:02.51 | rvsjoen | my memory is vague, are you routing between them ? |
| 10:02.55 | rvsjoen | do you need to ? |
| 10:03.14 | armetiz | I don't want to be able to ping eth0 from eth0.50, because I have no routing |
| 10:03.43 | armetiz | that I want, is to be able to ping VM A using eth0 to VM B using eth0, and VM 1 using eth0.50 to VM B using eth0.50 |
| 10:03.58 | armetiz | When I'm disable eth0.50 on both VM, the ping on eth0 work fine... |
| 10:04.21 | rvsjoen | are the routing tables ok ? |
| 10:04.23 | armetiz | and eth0.50 is configure on a different network (eth0 : 192.168.1.0, eth0.50 : 192.168.2.0) |
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| 10:04.38 | armetiz | the routing table seems to be right for me |
| 10:04.43 | armetiz | Let me pastbin it |
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| 10:05.34 | armetiz | http://pastebin.com/VMPmzXsY |
| 10:05.44 | armetiz | below the pastebin to routing table |
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| 10:06.27 | armetiz | it's the same routing table on both VM |
| 10:06.48 | rvsjoen | that sounds about right |
| 10:06.57 | rvsjoen | what happens when you try to ping |
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| 10:07.03 | armetiz | host unreachable :/ |
| 10:07.15 | rvsjoen | does the arp resolve ? |
| 10:07.31 | armetiz | I think, let me check |
| 10:08.52 | armetiz | hum, evolution (or something I haven't check before), ping using eth0 is working |
| 10:08.57 | armetiz | the problem is on eth0.50 |
| 10:09.02 | armetiz | I check the ARP resolution |
| 10:09.29 | rvsjoen | so you can ping VM <-> VM on eth0 ? |
| 10:09.34 | armetiz | rvsjoen good point ! |
| 10:09.45 | armetiz | arp resolution on 192.168.2.x doesn't work |
| 10:09.54 | armetiz | HWaddress appear to be "incomplete" |
| 10:10.04 | rvsjoen | that rules out iptables and routing at least |
| 10:10.26 | armetiz | No rule on iptables (ACCEPT policy) |
| 10:10.43 | rvsjoen | yeah but it wouldn't really matter for arps, unless you're doing ebtables |
| 10:11.06 | armetiz | hum okay |
| 10:11.16 | armetiz | I have not understand your previous word, sorry |
| 10:11.22 | rvsjoen | you could always tcpdump it and see if you can spot some funkyness with the arp requests |
| 10:11.37 | armetiz | I'm looking on google for VLAN ARP problems.. |
| 10:12.52 | rvsjoen | set up a tcpdump on VMA and see if you can spot the arp request coming from VMB |
| 10:13.33 | armetiz | ok |
| 10:13.56 | rvsjoen | -f 'arp' if I remember correctly |
| 10:14.00 | armetiz | let me install wireshark on mac |
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| 10:17.57 | Rayne | hello folks! i am searching for the net command (for "net usershare" â samba). which package contains `net`? |
| 10:18.23 | rvsjoen | rayne: what do you want to do |
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| 10:19.06 | Rayne | i read an article about enabling usershares (editable by users) instead of hardcoding the samba configuration |
| 10:19.26 | Rayne | there they named the command to do this "net usershare", so it should be `net` |
| 10:19.31 | rvsjoen | never heard of it |
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| 10:20.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | Rayne: perhaps ask #samba, otherwsie search packages.debian.org |
| 10:20.33 | Rayne | (on my arch linux system is `net` available) |
| 10:20.34 | rvsjoen | apt-file never heard of it at least |
| 10:20.54 | Rayne | sounds not so good |
| 10:21.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | Rayne: and what provides it? |
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| 10:23.49 | Rayne | smbclient
seems i have to install that package on debian, too. thanks Kamping_Kaiser |
| 10:25.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | :) |
| 10:26.14 | armetiz | rvsjoen, I can see the APR request from Host A |
| 10:26.20 | armetiz | Who has 192.168.2.31 |
| 10:26.42 | armetiz | but, no reply is done |
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| 10:29.40 | rvsjoen | is host B a linux box ? |
| 10:29.44 | armetiz | yes |
| 10:29.46 | armetiz | two Debian box |
| 10:29.52 | rvsjoen | pastebin 'ip n;ip a;ip r' |
| 10:30.05 | armetiz | ip n ? |
| 10:30.18 | rvsjoen | shorthand, for ip neigh |
| 10:30.24 | armetiz | whaou, I don't know this command :p |
| 10:30.52 | armetiz | I have to go eat.. |
| 10:30.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | does virtualbox support tagged vlan packets? |
| 10:31.00 | armetiz | I'll look on ip n, a & r |
| 10:31.05 | rvsjoen | ok |
| 10:31.16 | armetiz | Kamping_Kaiser, that was I'm thinking.. maybe the problem come from VirtualBox |
| 10:32.04 | armetiz | thanks a lot guys, I have to go, I'll go back in one hour, so, maybe see you ;) |
| 10:32.13 | Rayne | meh, smbclient does not contain net (in arch it is located at /usr/bin/net) |
| 10:32.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | Rayne: my bet is its been renamed, since net is a bizzarely generic name |
| 10:33.22 | rvsjoen | can you run net -v or something to get more info what it really is |
| 10:34.37 | Rayne | net - Tool for administration of Samba and remote CIFS servers. |
| 10:35.14 | Rayne | i'll try samba-tools |
| 10:35.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/amd64/smbclient/filelist is what debians package comntains |
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| 10:35.55 | Saleem | hi |
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| 10:36.08 | Saleem | can i convert reiserf on / partition to ext3? |
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| 10:36.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | Saleem: not in place |
| 10:37.11 | Rayne | i have no idea how i could find information about "net and debian"
stupid generic name |
| 10:37.53 | rvsjoen | its in samba-common |
| 10:38.15 | Saleem | Kamping_Kaiser, my / partition on squeeze has reiserfs and i wan to convert it to ext3, is that possible? |
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| 10:38.48 | themill | Rayne: apt-file is your friend; /msg dpkg apt-file; apt-file search bin/net |
| 10:39.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | Saleem: not in place: you have to format |
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| 10:39.15 | Saleem | oh |
| 10:40.14 | Saleem | thats what i wanted to avoid |
| 10:41.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | fraid not |
| 10:41.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | time to invenst in an lto4 tape ;) |
| 10:41.51 | Saleem | thanks Kamping_Kaiser |
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| 10:42.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | wonders how many tapes are used for *.debian.org backups |
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| 10:47.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | Kamping_Kaiser, there's only one tape in /dev/null... (know your BOFH and know yourself) |
| 10:48.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | CutMeOwnThroat: hehe |
| 10:48.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | CutMeOwnThroat: the cleaning tape ;) |
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| 10:54.39 | lolufail | hi! |
| 10:56.25 | lolufail | when I check_array or reshape my raid, a few hours before he is finished, I get some errors (so probably close to the end of that disc)... what's the problem? probably faulty disc, right? here's the dmesg: http://pastebin.com/btva3W4c |
| 10:57.11 | lolufail | BadCRC |
| 10:57.49 | krisfremen | heyo guys |
| 10:57.51 | krisfremen | i'm having some trouble installing hal, gnome-mount and dbus |
| 10:58.07 | krisfremen | Reloading system message bus config...Failed to open connection to "system" message bus: Failed to connect to socket /usr/local/var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory |
| 10:58.11 | krisfremen | invoke-rc.d: initscript dbus, action "force-reload" failed. |
| 10:58.17 | krisfremen | that's the only thing i'm getting |
| 10:58.38 | krisfremen | and it gets stuck on starting up hald |
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| 10:59.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | krisfremen: socket /usr/local/var/ |
| 10:59.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | path is invalid |
| 10:59.51 | thazza | Hey all.. I have issues getting a TFTP server to serve any files to my clients. |
| 10:59.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | krisfremen: if its a debian box, file a bug. |
| 11:00.20 | krisfremen | yeah, debian lenny |
| 11:00.24 | thazza | i am running Debian lenny |
| 11:00.34 | Rayne | themill, thanks for apt-file; rvsjoen no it is samba-common-bin :) |
| 11:00.39 | Rayne | thanks for your help |
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| 11:00.53 | Bushmills | thazza, getting one is not problem - there's one in debian |
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| 11:01.23 | thazza | Bushmills: I have tryed both tftpd and atftpd |
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| 11:01.31 | thazza | both give me pretty much the same error |
| 11:01.38 | themill | Rayne: no worries -- that binary has moved between packages from lenny to squeeze (it's in samba-common in lenny) |
| 11:01.39 | Bushmills | so, you don't have any issue getting one |
| 11:02.12 | thazza | Bushmill-: No issues leting the clients download files from my TFTP server |
| 11:02.34 | thazza | Bushmill-:: From a few different client softwares |
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| 11:03.51 | Bushmills | hm. after you got one, you must also make sure that it runs, or will be executed on request |
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| 11:04.05 | thazza | Bushmill-: my error message in the /var/log/syslog is |
| 11:04.10 | thazza | Bushmill-: recvmsg: Connection refused |
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| 11:05.14 | thazza | Bushmill-: iptables is not blocking all traffic is open. |
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| 11:11.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | thazza, look at the factoid when you /msg dpkg tftp |
| 11:12.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | it seems to have the solution |
| 11:13.19 | thazza | CutMeOwnThroat: This still does not seem to allow the clients to download |
| 11:13.56 | Bushmills | what directory are the downloadable files in? |
| 11:14.17 | streuner | via wget or browser? |
| 11:14.37 | streuner | there is a default dir for FF, you just need to configure it... |
| 11:14.40 | thazza | Bushmills: /var/lib/tftpboot |
| 11:14.51 | streuner | oh |
| 11:15.01 | Bushmills | iirc, tftpd default to /srv/tftp |
| 11:16.19 | thazza | sorry yeah.. have attempted a few different tftp servers. files used to be in /srv/tftp |
| 11:16.41 | Bushmills | using inetd or xinetd? |
| 11:16.52 | thazza | inetd |
| 11:17.14 | Bushmills | have you changed inetd.conf to reflect your changed path? |
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| 11:18.14 | thazza | yes. |
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| 11:18.50 | Bushmills | try to tftp a file on same machine where tftpd runs |
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| 11:22.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | thazza, which server are you using now... check with netstat/fuser/lsof if the tftp port is used and by what process (mind that things probably run over inetd on lenny) |
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| 11:25.09 | angel-tsankov | may I rebuild the lenny kernel with highmem support |
| 11:25.45 | thazza | CutMeOwnThroat: Not running at all using default port 69. |
| 11:26.01 | streuner | angel_: more than 4 GB RAM? |
| 11:26.07 | thazza | Bushmill-: local tftp connection fails as well? |
| 11:26.09 | Bushmills | nice to ask for permission. i think nobody will object |
| 11:26.18 | streuner | angel-tsankov: ^^^ |
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| 11:26.56 | streuner | dpkg, listkeys highmem |
| 11:26.56 | Bushmills | thazza, have you reloade inetd config after change? |
| 11:26.57 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'highmem' by key (3): _default highmem ;; #debian highmem ;; highmem. |
| 11:27.07 | thazza | Bushmills: Yep |
| 11:27.31 | streuner | dpkg, highmem |
| 11:27.31 | dpkg | [highmem] what you should enable in your kernel if you have a gigabyte (or more) of RAM and Linux claims you only have 900MB. See http://www.debian-administration.org/users/sebastian/weblog/12 Not to be confused with <bigmem>. Debian -486 kernel images are not highmem enabled, you'd usually want to be using a -686 kernel image instead. |
| 11:28.21 | nsadmin | angel-tsankov, what is your cpu? |
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| 11:29.27 | Bushmills | thazza, do you have the watch utility installed? |
| 11:29.54 | nsadmin | never mind... looks like you're not responding |
| 11:30.10 | abrotman | angel-tsankov: what is your current 'uname -r' ? |
| 11:30.37 | angel-tsankov | abrotman: 2.6.26-2-486 |
| 11:31.00 | abrotman | angel-tsankov: and what is your CPU? you probably want to: aptitude install linux-image-686 .. and reboot |
| 11:31.10 | angel-tsankov | abrotman: core 2 quad |
| 11:31.14 | thazza | Bushmill-: No don't have watch utility installed. |
| 11:31.18 | abrotman | angel-tsankov: or linux-image-686-bigmem .. depending how much RAM you have .. if you have 4GB, use the -bigmem |
| 11:31.35 | angel-tsankov | abrotman: I currently have 2GB |
| 11:31.57 | abrotman | angel-tsankov: if you currently only have 2GB, you don't need the -bigmem .. you don't need it til you go past 3.3GB |
| 11:32.27 | angel-tsankov | abrotman: then what do I need to use all of my 2GB ram |
| 11:32.39 | abrotman | angel-tsankov: aptitude install linux-image-686 .. reboot .. it will all be there |
| 11:32.52 | angel-tsankov | I do have linux-image-2.6-686 installed |
| 11:32.57 | Bushmills | thazza, does netstat -lnup|grep :69 show an entry? |
| 11:33.09 | angel-tsankov | abrotman: I also have linux-image-2.6.26-2-486 |
| 11:33.19 | thazza | Bushmill-: udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:69 0.0.0.0:* 7882/inetutils-inet |
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| 11:33.30 | abrotman | angel-tsankov: then select it from your bootloader, then remove all traces of a -486 kernel from your system .. the -486 kernel can only see about 900MB of RAM, because a true 486 couldn't see more than that |
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| 11:34.01 | angel-tsankov | abrotman: thank you |
| 11:34.07 | Bushmills | how do you request a download from tftpd? |
| 11:34.38 | thazza | Bushmills: tftp localhost then get file.txt |
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| 11:35.23 | angel-tsankov | abrotman: linux-image-686 and linux-image-2.6-686 are different? |
| 11:35.39 | abrotman | angel-tsankov: the former will install the later .. either will technically work in this case |
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| 11:36.03 | Bushmills | thazza, any message on client when attempting download? |
| 11:36.40 | thazza | Bushmill-: nope. just goes to next line. |
| 11:37.15 | Bushmills | try downloading a non-existing file |
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| 11:38.02 | CuBe0wL | hi all! is it possible to install and use a driver/firmware for a wifi adapter during netinstall? |
| 11:38.17 | thazza | Bushmill-: Error code 1: File not found |
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| 11:38.27 | abrotman | CuBe0wL: you can create an installer with that firmware |
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| 11:38.32 | abrotman | !tell CuBe0wL about installer firmware |
| 11:38.54 | Bushmills | thazza, repeat with existing file, then check local directory whether file is there |
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| 11:38.59 | CuBe0wL | abrotman, thank you very much! |
| 11:39.09 | thazza | Bushmill-: Same |
| 11:39.27 | Bushmills | same what? |
| 11:39.36 | Bushmills | also saying "file not found"? |
| 11:40.08 | thazza | Bushmill-: if file exists just get error in the syslog.. if file does not exist get error file not found |
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| 11:41.15 | CuBe0wL | ! tell CuBe0wL about firmware images |
| 11:41.41 | themill | CuBe0wL: you can just "/msg dpkg ..." as well |
| 11:42.06 | CuBe0wL | themill, ok |
| 11:42.09 | Bushmills | thazza, error message must be misleading. can't be refused connection when OTOH server informs client that a file doesn't exist. |
| 11:43.53 | thazza | Bushmills: sorry also getting thre connection refused error if the file doesn't exist. |
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| 11:44.12 | Bushmills | still, client outputs that |
| 11:44.22 | Bushmills | thus server told it |
| 11:44.23 | thazza | Bushmill-: so any time it trys to get a file it gives tftpd: read(ack): Connection refused |
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| 11:56.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | Bushmills, it might be the correct error... if tftp uses several ports like ftp does... but I've only used tftp occasionally |
| 11:57.34 | Bushmills | CutMeOwnThroat, afaik, tftp doesn't have an "active" mode |
| 11:57.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's what I thought, too... specially as there's only one port listed in services |
| 11:58.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | OTOH, the error comes from somewhere..? |
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| 11:59.28 | Defi | can anyone please tell me where i must point --with-ssl-dir= to if i installed openssl with apt-get? |
| 11:59.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | three things I can think of right now a) strace the client, b) and/or the server and c) watch the traffic with tcpdump/wireshark etc |
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| 12:00.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | Defi, you're talking about compiling something with ssl support, right? |
| 12:00.52 | petern_ | Defi, did you install openssl, or libssl-dev? |
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| 12:01.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | right... was getting to that... you need the -dev package |
| 12:01.41 | abrotman | openssl-dev perhaps? |
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| 12:02.11 | Onepamopa | anyone familiar with gre tunels ? |
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| 12:03.26 | Defi | CutMeOwnThroat: yes |
| 12:03.35 | Defi | petern_: both |
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| 12:03.45 | Defi | but i know i need the dev package |
| 12:04.07 | Defi | my question is where does it install to, cause im really struggling to compile this library with ssl support |
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| 12:05.04 | abrotman | Defi: it's probably openssl-dev .. and you can use 'dpkg -L pkgname' to see where it puts files |
| 12:05.40 | abrotman | Defi: what are you compiling? which version of debian is this? |
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| 12:06.43 | Defi | abrotman: thanks, and dont be mad, but its ubuntu... |
| 12:07.02 | abrotman | Defi: please go to #ubuntu for support, you're offtopic in this channel |
| 12:07.27 | Defi | abrotman: its debian based, ubuntu supports almost as useless as the library im trying to compile... |
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| 12:07.55 | abrotman | Defi: you're offtopic in this channel, please go to #ubuntu for help with Ubuntu, thank you |
| 12:08.11 | abrotman | if you don't like Ubuntu support, perhaps you should choose a different distro |
| 12:09.40 | dsockwell | harsh |
| 12:09.52 | billy | abrotman: nice going - not |
| 12:10.00 | dsockwell | although the punishment does fit the crime. ubuntu's not for compilin' stuff. |
| 12:10.04 | abrotman | !debian-based |
| 12:10.04 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 12:10.12 | abrotman | if you'd like to argue about it, try #debian-offtopic |
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| 12:16.26 | billy | what you clowns don't realise is that without Ubuntu and the like you would still be nothing - get in touch with the real world! |
| 12:16.41 | nuestra | :D wow |
| 12:16.44 | abrotman | billy: please keep it on-topic .. Ubuntu is NOT on-topic |
| 12:17.06 | RichiH | billy: please stay friendly :) |
| 12:17.26 | RichiH | and yes, ubuntu is off-topic in #debian similar to how debian is off-topic in #ubuntu |
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| 12:17.50 | jpinx-eeepc | !next |
| 12:17.50 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 12:18.29 | nuestra | i understand brand loyalty to a point. to a _point_ |
| 12:18.47 | RichiH | /cb/cb |
| 12:18.50 | RichiH | erm |
| 12:18.57 | RichiH | nuestra: you clown! |
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| 12:19.28 | nuestra | i moved from mandrake to debian years ago b/c of enemy territory. ah, good times :) |
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| 12:20.48 | urna | nuestra: rpm being a shit package management tool compared to dpkg/apt would have been a much better reason! |
| 12:21.15 | icebrain | nuestra: ET was awesome. It still has some servers online |
| 12:22.05 | nuestra | agreed. in august the source for ET was released, right? i might play again if nice mode are made. |
| 12:22.11 | nuestra | mods* |
| 12:22.33 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 12:22.52 | nuestra | sry...inebriation |
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| 12:43.36 | pegwole | So someone tells me this place is filled with mostly mouth-breathers, is this correct or should I call them a liar? |
| 12:44.02 | Onepamopa | heh |
| 12:44.16 | abrotman | pegwole: do you have a Debian related question ? |
| 12:44.26 | pegwole | I do actually. |
| 12:44.34 | Onepamopa | shoot :) |
| 12:44.38 | abrotman | looks at themill |
| 12:44.38 | pegwole | Is this place filled with mouth-breathers or not? |
| 12:44.41 | abrotman | pegwole: do you have a Debian related question ? |
| 12:45.01 | Onepamopa | pegwole that's not a debian-related question |
| 12:45.12 | pegwole | It's #Debian related. |
| 12:45.19 | abrotman | pegwole: one more try |
| 12:45.27 | Onepamopa | #debian is debian OS-related |
| 12:45.31 | pegwole | OK fine. |
| 12:45.32 | Onepamopa | not related to the ppl in there |
| 12:45.56 | abrotman | pegwole: perhaps you wanted #debian-offtopic ? |
| 12:46.15 | ChaozZBubi | I'm not even using debian :< |
| 12:46.20 | pegwole | Is it true that peopel of a certain irc channel that run Debian are mouth-breathers? I really need to know if I can call this certain someone a liar or not. |
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| 12:46.51 | abrotman | pegwole: please go play elsewhere, or ask #debian-offtopic |
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| 12:46.56 | abrotman | or just not care |
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| 12:47.29 | ChaozZBubi | I'm breathing with my lungs, not with my mouth |
| 12:47.34 | abrotman | ChaozZBubi: you don't have to be running Debian to be in here, just please don't ask non-Debian questions in here |
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| 12:48.21 | ChaozZBubi | yeah I know that :) I think this is the first time I actuaaly said something here :D |
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| 12:57.22 | xro | hi, what is the max number of thread that i can start on debian 32bits? |
| 12:57.59 | wrksx | hi all, i wish to complain about the iceweasel package i installed from the official repo. It seems that it sends 2 HTTP requests when accessing an url. Where could I report that ? |
| 12:58.11 | abrotman | !tell wrksx about reportbug |
| 12:58.43 | Proz0r | hello. recently i've been having some issues. i can't boot into debian, when starting x it freezes or reboots and it goes like this 3 or 4 times after which it finally boots. sometimes i manage to get past gdm and gnome starts to load but then it crashes. no errors or anything. this happened also in LMDE. i've copied parts of logs from LMDE and posted them here http://www.linuxzasve.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=5453 4th post, 1st on |
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| 12:59.03 | wrksx | abrotman, thx |
| 12:59.21 | abrotman | Proz0r: Mint is NOT Debian .. please use their support services |
| 12:59.29 | abrotman | !tell Proz0r about mint |
| 12:59.30 | stew | wrksx: is one of the requests for favico? |
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| 13:01.18 | Proz0r | someone suggested that it could be related to the external usb soundcard (c-media) so i've unplugged it, formatted the disk and installed debian lenny. i've continued to compile a new kernel which has the c-media module included. i had to restart and when i booted the problems started again. everything crashes and restarts when trying to compile something and that's just when i actually manage to boot into the system. |
| 13:01.41 | Proz0r | abroatman: this isn't about mint, it's about debian |
| 13:01.43 | abrotman | Proz0r: please go to #linux-mint on irc.spotchat.org for support with Mint |
| 13:01.48 | abrotman | Proz0r: Mint is NOT Debian |
| 13:01.55 | Dagger2 | xro: usually, if you have to ask that question, you're doing it wrong. there should be some more appropriate method of doing what you're trying to do, that doesn't involve spawning a squillion threads |
| 13:02.18 | abrotman | erm .. #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org |
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| 13:02.21 | Proz0r | abrotman: please read my last message, you will see that i am NOT talking about mint, but about debian |
| 13:02.31 | abrotman | your paste is Mint |
| 13:02.39 | abrotman | bleh |
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| 13:02.57 | abrotman | Proz0r: did it work before you compiled a new kernel ? |
| 13:03.01 | Proz0r | yes, that's just until i manage to get my hands on a debian log |
| 13:03.15 | Proz0r | yes, for a while |
| 13:03.16 | jhutchins_lt | Proz0r: If you are running Debian, which release are you on? |
| 13:03.23 | Proz0r | and then it started crashing |
| 13:03.23 | wrksx | stew, nope, I checked apache logs and I got two HTTP GET requests for each page refresh |
| 13:03.26 | xro | Dagger2>, it's for a brute force.... i try to code something and i can parralelize some work... so i would like to know what is the maximum number of thread... then i could define how many is the best |
| 13:03.34 | Proz0r | i didn't replug the card or switch kernels |
| 13:03.39 | Proz0r | lenny |
| 13:03.39 | abrotman | Proz0r: it sounds like a hardware issue if it works for a little bit and then crashes |
| 13:03.46 | Proz0r | yes, i believe it is |
| 13:04.03 | jhutchins_lt | Proz0r: You could try to move things around so it gets better cooling. |
| 13:04.14 | Proz0r | it also happens to me in many other distros, such as gentoo, arch etc, but windows work ok |
| 13:04.17 | Proz0r | suprisingly |
| 13:04.30 | Proz0r | *surprisingly |
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| 13:04.35 | rgr | Proz0r: you might consider not using the nouveau driver for a start. back up your xorg.conf and then delete the original (if it exists) and restart gdm . |
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| 13:04.56 | Coweater | xro: run some small multilpe of how many cores you have, you'll eat up more resources creating such a large number of threads and things will run slower |
| 13:05.02 | Proz0r | i've tried both open source and non free drivers |
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| 13:05.09 | Proz0r | nothing works |
| 13:05.24 | Proz0r | :( |
| 13:05.52 | abrotman | sounds like a hardware problem |
| 13:06.01 | xro | <Coweater>, i also have to benchmark my soft... so i will be fun to try with 1 and with max too |
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| 13:06.23 | rgr | Proz0r: and this is a recent occurrence? |
| 13:06.30 | Proz0r | yes |
| 13:06.33 | Dagger2 | xro: I guess you either want ~1 thread per cpu (for a local, cpu-bound test) in which case you're fine, or you're trying to do something over the network, in which case there are ways to use many ports from one thread (select()? poll()? there's probably better ways, but that'll give you something to search on) |
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| 13:06.48 | rgr | well, its rare enough but it does happen. Borrow a cheap replacement video card and try that. |
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| 13:06.52 | Proz0r | since this summer it happens on every distro imaginable |
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| 13:07.05 | rgr | All on the same HW? |
| 13:07.11 | Proz0r | yes |
| 13:07.19 | Proz0r | i didn't change anything |
| 13:07.26 | Proz0r | it started when i first installed gentoo |
| 13:07.29 | rgr | well, cancel out the unknowns. Try another machine and/or video card. |
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| 13:07.38 | helo | hardware failing ftw! |
| 13:07.47 | Proz0r | it gave me problems, i suspect compiling options were wrong |
| 13:07.49 | xro | <Dagger2>, it's a bit complicate to explicate all here and now... Can you just give me the max thread that could be started on a debian 32bits? |
| 13:07.58 | xro | explain* |
| 13:08.01 | rgr | I doubt it since I doubt you compile your own debian. |
| 13:08.09 | rgr | or mint come to that .... |
| 13:08.24 | Proz0r | i had enough of that distro so i put on ubuntu, then mint, then fedora, then arch, then chakra and finally debian |
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| 13:08.42 | rgr | and all had text installers? |
| 13:08.45 | Proz0r | i mean, gentoo gave me problems and i thought gentoo's problems were compiling-related |
| 13:08.47 | Proz0r | no |
| 13:08.53 | Proz0r | just arch and gentoo |
| 13:09.05 | Proz0r | they were all 64-bit except mint |
| 13:09.36 | Proz0r | so, i guess it's a wide enough variety of distros |
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| 13:09.44 | Proz0r | they all crash at about the same time |
| 13:09.59 | rgr | well, that paste of yours is next to useless since it shows about 100000000 problems. |
| 13:10.12 | rgr | live cds work? |
| 13:10.19 | Dagger2 | xro: I don't know it... it probably won't be well defined anyway |
| 13:10.30 | Proz0r | i didn't try them |
| 13:10.32 | rgr | Proz0r: try in #linux. |
| 13:10.44 | Proz0r | i only use them for recovery |
| 13:10.48 | Proz0r | thank you, i will |
| 13:10.49 | Dagger2 | xro: but what I do know is that if you're trying a solution that's going to hit the max thread limit, you're Probably Doing It Wrong |
| 13:11.01 | Proz0r | by the way, do you know where i can find a log that's more accurate? |
| 13:11.19 | stew | Proz0r: if you are getting system crashes while compiling, with a variety of distros, I'd blame hardware. |
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| 13:11.27 | stew | Proz0r: i'd staart with memtest86+ |
| 13:11.33 | rgr | while compiling?? |
| 13:11.38 | Proz0r | yeah, me too |
| 13:11.40 | Proz0r | yes |
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| 13:11.47 | Proz0r | under ubuntu and mint |
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| 13:11.49 | Proz0r | and gentoo |
| 13:11.55 | Proz0r | memtest is fine |
| 13:12.00 | Proz0r | i ran it a couple of days ago |
| 13:12.20 | xro | <Dagger2>, it's for test... so i'll compute the time with 1 2 3 4 5 10 100 1000 threads and plot a graph.... There is propably something about memory and threads.... |
| 13:12.28 | Proz0r | and debian |
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| 13:12.58 | Proz0r | so, ubuntu, mint, debian and gentoo are distros where i tried compiling and they crashed |
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| 13:17.26 | jelly | Proz0r: how long did you leave memtest86+ running? I'd suggest at least 12-24 hours |
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| 13:19.36 | Proz0r | about 10 hours |
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| 13:22.37 | mmandrille | people, im having a real problem, my debian never use the real named config file!!! Example, if i make: "cp alsa-base alsa-base2" modify alsa-base, when i make the "alsa force-reload" the fucking machine use the "alsa-base2", and the same appends with a lot of another programs ¬¬ |
| 13:23.13 | jelly | mmandrille: what is the full path to those files? |
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| 13:23.42 | mmandrille | the normal one: /etc/modeprobe.d/alsa-base |
| 13:23.47 | mmandrille | another example |
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| 13:24.22 | mmandrille | im using openbox whit my XLDE and if i create the autostart.sh file in /home/USR/.config/openbox/autostart.sh never read it! |
| 13:24.35 | jake | Why is ftp.uk.debian.org using an IPv6 tunnel and not native, getting 50% packet loss or around that atm to it :( |
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| 13:24.45 | jelly | mmandrille: directories named something.d/ are usually used by scripts that read _all_ the files in there, so if you leave a second copy it might override the first. Move away your "alsa-base2" file |
| 13:25.34 | mmandrille | mmmm... i will try that jelly thanks! and what whit the openbox problem? :S |
| 13:25.35 | macrobat | 1)maybe something reads all files in a folder. 2) does lxde use .config/openbox/autostart.sh unless you explicitly tell it? |
| 13:25.36 | jake | Ah now only 25% packetloss |
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| 13:26.01 | xro | so, nobody knows what is the limit of threads on a 32 bit debian? |
| 13:26.02 | jelly | mmandrille: I can't comment on that. |
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| 13:27.24 | jelly | xro: I've been running services with 2-3k threads, why do you ask? |
| 13:28.22 | stew | xro: cat /proc/sys/kernel/threads-max |
| 13:28.35 | mmandrille | another problema, Im using "terminator" and put my config file in "/home/USR/.config/terminator/config" but dont use it!!! (Is the same file thats works on another 2 computers whit others distributions and im so lost whit this kindo of problems that i really dont know whats to do :S) |
| 13:28.44 | stew | xro: which is settable |
| 13:28.46 | xro | jelly>, what limits the max threads? |
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| 13:30.45 | xro | <stew>, i have 65535 but my python script crash when i set more thean 320 threads... but CPU and RAM are still low |
| 13:32.14 | koollman | xro: crashes how ? any error message or specific return code? |
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| 13:32.25 | jelly | xro: cpython? |
| 13:33.01 | jelly | xro: doesn't cpython still have a GIL limiting the use of havery threading? |
| 13:33.04 | jelly | heavy* |
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| 13:34.35 | stew | xro: i'd guess its running out of stack space |
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| 13:36.45 | stew | xro: it also begs question of why you would start that many threads in python, and if there is not a better way |
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| 13:38.04 | helo | python is much more well suited to scale by process than thread |
| 13:38.23 | stew | yes |
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| 13:39.01 | stew | a python proccess which has 320 threads will run no faster on a machine with 64 processors than on a machine with 1 processor |
| 13:39.15 | armetiz | Hi there (again) |
| 13:39.25 | macrobat | re |
| 13:39.50 | armetiz | I'm always on VLAN problem, Host A and B on same VLAN directly connected can't do a ping |
| 13:39.58 | armetiz | the problem seem to be on ARP |
| 13:40.31 | armetiz | Host A ask for "Who is X.x.x.x" but no reply is coming.. |
| 13:40.45 | helo | xro: have you looked into twisted python? it is great at asynchronous I/O type stuff |
| 13:40.58 | asdmin | armetiz: are they on the same subnet ? :) |
| 13:41.00 | armetiz | I was thinking that the problem come's from VirtualBox (because it's two Virtual Host), but, i'm trying to do it on a dedicated server, and I have the same problem |
| 13:41.00 | helo | digress... |
| 13:41.06 | Spida | is there no udevinfo in squeeze? it is both in lenny and sid |
| 13:41.28 | armetiz | asdmin, yes, they are on the same subnet : 192.168.2.0/24 on virtual Host, and a /28 for dedicated servers |
| 13:42.21 | asdmin | maybe I'm off but you mentioned a /24 and a /28 subnet... |
| 13:42.31 | armetiz | you'r not off :p |
| 13:43.02 | armetiz | the problem is "intra" /24 or /28, but I don't want to make a communication between each other |
| 13:43.59 | armetiz | On virtual Host, I have use WireShark to see ARP trafic |
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| 13:44.22 | armetiz | I can see the Host A "Who is ...", but Host B doesn't reply anything :/ |
| 13:44.57 | armetiz | but, when I'm looking "ifconfig" on Host B, I can see the eth0.50 is correctly define |
| 13:46.12 | xro | <helo>, yes i use it for some task but this one a have to be synchrone |
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| 13:49.10 | jelly | xro: perhaps you ought to ask in #python |
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| 13:51.20 | xro | stew>, it's to do a test of performance |
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| 13:52.07 | xro | yep |
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| 13:52.31 | amr | i want to install ruby, but use ruby1.9, except if i do apt-get install ruby, it installs 1.8, i've already got 1.9 |
| 13:52.38 | amr | do i just want to symlink the ruby command to point to 1.9? |
| 13:52.47 | stew | xro: to verify that as you start an absurdly larger number of threads, performance gets worse? |
| 13:53.18 | xro | stew>, yes i want to plot a graph... how many time it take with how many threads |
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| 14:03.00 | amr | i want to install ruby, but use ruby1.9, except if i do apt-get install ruby, it installs 1.8, i've already got 1.9 - do i just need to symlink ruby to ruby1.9 ? |
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| 14:04.22 | SteinerGround | hi, I would like to know when Java (Sun) will be update on Debian sources |
| 14:04.27 | themill | amr: I'd presume that changing that symlink isn't a good idea |
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| 14:05.06 | SteinerGround | I need the update 21 of Sun Java to run some apps here |
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| 14:05.17 | amr | themill, i removed 'ruby' and 'ruby1.8' |
| 14:05.22 | amr | so now there is no symlink, so i'm just going to change it |
| 14:05.25 | amr | create* |
| 14:06.12 | themill | SteinerGround: debian doesn't include new versions of software in stable releases except under quite rare circumstances |
| 14:07.10 | SteinerGround | well.. I think that this is one of those |
| 14:07.24 | SteinerGround | I cannot access my bank account because of this update |
| 14:07.39 | SteinerGround | What can I do to tell the devs about this situation? |
| 14:07.40 | mungustas | amr run dpkg -l | grep -i ruby |
| 14:08.17 | mungustas | then aptitude install ruby1.9 |
| 14:08.31 | amr | it's already installed |
| 14:08.53 | themill | SteinerGround: really? that's truly bizarre behaviour. What version of debian is this, btw? |
| 14:09.39 | mungustas | amr run ldconfig |
| 14:09.46 | mungustas | $ ldconfig |
| 14:09.49 | SteinerGround | Linux 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Thu Sep 16 15:56:38 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 14:09.59 | SteinerGround | Debian Lenny, 5.0.6 |
| 14:10.02 | stew | mungustas: why would he bother running ldconfig? |
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| 14:10.21 | mungustas | not sure |
| 14:10.31 | mungustas | trying my best, me not profesionale :P |
| 14:10.46 | mungustas | $ which ruby |
| 14:10.51 | mungustas | then ? |
| 14:11.02 | mungustas | or ruby1.9 |
| 14:11.23 | mungustas | sometimes you have log out from system and log in to get new stuff |
| 14:11.38 | mungustas | anyhows stew knows better he will help you ;) |
| 14:12.23 | themill | SteinerGround: I presume that you've verified that your browser is using sun java and not some other java implementation for the java plugin |
| 14:12.52 | SteinerGround | no, it is using the correct Java (sun-java6-plugin) |
| 14:13.19 | themill | SteinerGround: just having that package installed doesn't mean that's the java that will be used (double check in about:plugins) |
| 14:13.28 | SteinerGround | ok |
| 14:13.37 | SteinerGround | now I think you found the solution |
| 14:13.46 | SteinerGround | I was looking at the plugins on Iceweasel |
| 14:14.05 | SteinerGround | and I found that the Iceweasel is using Java TM |
| 14:14.08 | SteinerGround | from Oracle... |
| 14:14.33 | SteinerGround | But I did not installed this Java! I installed sun-java6-plugin, and did the "update-alternatives" |
| 14:14.37 | themill | SteinerGround: sounds like a private plugin in your ~/.mozilla |
| 14:14.46 | SteinerGround | hmmm |
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| 14:15.55 | themill | SteinerGround: the debian sun-java6-plugin packages identify themselves as "Java(TM) Plug-in 1.6.0_21" (or _20) in about:plugins. |
| 14:16.03 | SteinerGround | hmm |
| 14:16.10 | SteinerGround | so it's right |
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| 14:16.33 | SteinerGround | and maybe the problem is the update from Java that is not on the debian sources |
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| 14:17.04 | themill | there's no mention of "oracle" anywhere in my about:plugins... |
| 14:17.24 | ttiicc | can someone please recommend a GUI for browsing openLDAP? |
| 14:17.26 | SteinerGround | if you click (right button) on it, you will see "visit site" |
| 14:17.30 | SteinerGround | something like that |
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| 14:17.36 | SteinerGround | and it will take you to oracle.com |
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| 14:19.20 | SteinerGround | can you verify it? |
| 14:19.21 | themill | SteinerGround: about:plugins != ToolsâAdd-ons âPlugins; but yes, that's the same behaviour. (the link is actually to java.sun.com) |
| 14:19.46 | SteinerGround | really? it take you to java.sun.com?? |
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| 14:20.47 | themill | SteinerGround: oracle bought sun out a while ago and the link now redirects |
| 14:21.28 | SteinerGround | ahh ok |
| 14:21.30 | SteinerGround | sorry |
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| 14:21.46 | SteinerGround | so, what can I do about the update? |
| 14:21.56 | SteinerGround | I just don't want to download it myself and ruin my system |
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| 14:22.13 | SteinerGround | if the update was on the sources, it would be better |
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| 14:26.27 | angel-tsankov | why can't I ping a virtualbox virtual machine |
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| 14:27.28 | themill | SteinerGround: you can "reportbug sun-java6-plugin" and file a wishlist bug that the package be updated in the next point release. You'll need to provide solid details as to what has broken and show that the update fixes the problem. A publicly available reproduce-case would be best. That won't happen quickly and it might not happen at all as the risk of introducing a new version of java is that it could actually break other people's working setups |
| 14:27.29 | themill | which would be really bad. |
| 14:28.28 | stew | its quite unlikely that we'd get a new upstream release in non-free in order to fix a wishlist bug |
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| 14:30.07 | stew | its really hard to justify letting a new binary blob in, when we don't know what all the changes are we have to accept |
| 14:30.23 | themill | stew: sun java6 has had a couple of updates since lenny was released, hasn't it? |
| 14:30.24 | stew | so for problems like "some of my web pages don't work" its not worth the risk |
| 14:30.35 | stew | for security updates its easier to justify |
| 14:30.35 | SteinerGround | themill: I understand... |
| 14:30.48 | SteinerGround | themill: I will see what I can do here, but thank you! |
| 14:31.01 | stew | themill: i don't see them on the pts |
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| 14:31.06 | stew | http://packages.qa.debian.org/s/sun-java6.html |
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| 14:31.29 | stew | though i do see a lenny1 |
| 14:31.45 | SteinerGround | stew: I can't access my bank account |
| 14:31.51 | stew | oh, yeah http://packages.qa.debian.org/s/sun-java6/news/20100519T015557Z.html |
| 14:31.54 | SteinerGround | it's not a normal site |
| 14:32.34 | stew | SteinerGround: if this is a problem that only affects some sites, its even less likely that's we'd replace the package, regardless of how bad you want to access that site personally |
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| 14:33.03 | themill | stew: yeah, so it just jumped from 6-12 to 6-20 (I thought there had been talk about uploading a couple in between) |
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| 14:33.39 | stew | and yeah "* New upstream release to fix open security issues" |
| 14:33.50 | stew | i dont' know if there are open security issues with -20 |
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| 14:35.28 | SteinerGround | well... I think that could be some problem there |
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| 14:35.34 | sivang | hi all |
| 14:35.36 | SteinerGround | and it's a big bank here |
| 14:35.42 | sivang | can I reduce theverbosity level of cron? |
| 14:35.42 | icebrain | !greet sivang |
| 14:35.42 | dpkg | Welcome, sivang |
| 14:35.45 | SteinerGround | I think that a lot of people will face this problem |
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| 14:36.03 | sivang | e.g. I don't want it to say "CMD running runpart ./..." etc all the time for example |
| 14:36.06 | sivang | hi dpkg |
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| 14:36.15 | SteinerGround | it's easy to update it on windows... |
| 14:36.28 | SteinerGround | but here, Java don't "offer" the update |
| 14:36.35 | sh0t | Hi all. Can anybody help me with LVM. I'm not an expert and i tried to resize a partition and now my system isn't booting. |
| 14:37.07 | sh0t | i remember i tried to resize a physical volume and then the logical |
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| 14:38.29 | SteinerGround | stew: do you have any idea about what can I do here to solve my problem? |
| 14:38.42 | scifiguy | is there a way to specify multiple icmp types with iptables? |
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| 14:38.59 | SteinerGround | I can download it from Sun, but I did not want to "mess up" my system |
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| 14:40.27 | SteinerGround | Reading at the site that you gave me, I can see that it took less than a month to release the stable version of the last update: [2010-04-30] sun-java6 6.20-dlj-1 MIGRATED to testing (Britney) [2010-05-19] Accepted 6-20-0lenny1 in stable (low) (Torsten Werner) |
| 14:40.35 | ElDeablo | Boa tarde! |
| 14:41.01 | SteinerGround | and, this time (with the update 21) it's there since 2010-08-13 |
| 14:41.10 | SteinerGround | ElDeablo: boa tarde! |
| 14:41.14 | stew | SteinerGround: the MIGRATED to testing has nothing to do with the upload to stable |
| 14:41.20 | stew | SteinerGround: packages don't migrate from testing to stable |
| 14:41.40 | stew | SteinerGround: this was a rare upload to stable to fix security issues. -21 isn't known to fix secuirty issues |
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| 14:42.44 | RmN | anyone know how to change the position, width and size of the terminal for every time I open the terminal it continues with the settings that I did? (debian lenny) |
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| 14:43.19 | stew | themill: what do you have to say about him NOT backporting the squeeze packages? |
| 14:43.49 | stew | SteinerGround: your options are going to be to grab a version from testing by hand, or grab the version from sun |
| 14:43.59 | stew | SteinerGround: or try a free version to see if it has the same problem |
| 14:44.37 | SteinerGround | ok |
| 14:44.41 | SteinerGround | I will take a look |
| 14:44.50 | SteinerGround | this is the info about the last update: http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/6u21-156341.html |
| 14:45.27 | SteinerGround | "Java SE 6 Update 21 does not contain any additional fixes for security vulnerabilities to its previous release, Java SE 6 Update 20." |
| 14:45.43 | RmN | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:46.11 | SteinerGround | thanks for the help stew |
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| 14:47.05 | stew | SteinerGround: the safe way to grab the packages from testing/unstable is: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 14:47.14 | themill | the squeeze package looks quite backportable fwiw. There haven't been many changes to the underlying java stuff to make it problematic |
| 14:47.29 | stew | themill: and backporting is just going to be untar and retar, right? |
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| 14:47.53 | themill | it has a pile of build-deps.... I have nfc what the build system actually does |
| 14:48.07 | stew | yeah, it ends up with no versioned deps in the binaries though |
| 14:48.09 | themill | ,builddep sun-java6 --release squeeze |
| 14:48.09 | judd | Package sun-java6 -- Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5.0.51~), lsb-release, po-debconf, defoma, unzip, bzip2, patch, libasound2, unixodbc, libx11-6, libxext6, libxi6, libxp6, libxt6, libxtst6, lib32asound2 [amd64], ia32-libs [amd64 ia64]. |
| 14:48.24 | stew | dep sun-java6-jre --release squeeze |
| 14:48.28 | stew | ,dep sun-java6-jre --release squeeze |
| 14:48.34 | themill | depends |
| 14:48.37 | stew | ,depends sun-java6-jre --release squeeze |
| 14:48.40 | judd | Package sun-java6-jre -- depends: java-common (>= 0.24), locales, sun-java6-bin (>= 6.21-1) | ia32-sun-java6-bin (>= 6.21-1). |
| 14:49.07 | stew | well, others have larger depend lists, but nothing versioned from the build-deps |
| 14:49.19 | stew | but whatever, backport is the safe way |
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| 14:49.43 | themill | it might just run tests at build-time with all those deps |
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| 14:51.12 | zip_random | hi one small question: i want to install one package and ignore ALL of its debendancies with apt-get |
| 14:51.31 | stew | zip_random: when are you going to fix the dependencies? |
| 14:51.58 | zip_random | i have a kolab install, so all of the dependencies are met, but under another prefix |
| 14:52.20 | zip_random | want to install mailman, without installing a second apache, mysql ... |
| 14:52.36 | stew | zip_random: then you need to use equivs: /msg dpkg equivs |
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| 14:53.20 | zip_random | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:53.24 | zip_random | hmm |
| 14:54.06 | zip_random | ok thanks stew |
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| 15:01.26 | SteinerGround | stew: I downloaded the installation file (.bin) from the Sun website, installed it and simply copied the contents into the installation folder of Java (/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.20/jre/). In Iceweasel it appears as "update 21", but still did not work. I guess it could be a problem in my bank system. |
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| 15:03.08 | jhutchins_lt | Interesting. Audio recovered just fine from suspend-to-disk, but hotel wifi was pretty confused. |
| 15:03.32 | jhutchins_lt | !java |
| 15:03.32 | dpkg | Java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun, now Oracle, has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged for Debian, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>, <icedtea>, <java ipv6>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java ##java on irc.freenode.net. |
| 15:03.50 | stew | i'd guess the wifi needs a firmware reload and the audio doesn't |
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| 15:10.12 | jhutchins_lt | stew: I think it has more to do with the hotel's wifi system. It appeared to be up, but until I had re-linked and opened a browser I wasn't getting any traffic. |
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| 15:11.13 | jhutchins_lt | stew: Pretty sure the wifi doesn't need firmware...AR5212 |
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| 15:12.17 | jhutchins_lt | Man, quiet this morning. Not going to be able to count IRC time as "productive" at this rate. |
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| 15:14.16 | Pavlz | if i put in stop the ISO's when i am downloading these ones can be corrupted or not ? |
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| 15:14.49 | LemensTS | i installed (tftpd) on lenny (chmod 777 tftp folder), then on another lenny box from another location tried to "get" a file off it. The other lenny box ended with a "Tranfer timed out.". The tftpd server (/var/log/syslog) is not saying anything helpful... any idea? |
| 15:14.56 | stew | Pavlz: wget can continue the download, and you can and should check the md5sum of the iso after you are finished downloading with the md5sum published alongside the iso |
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| 15:15.07 | LemensTS | i can tftp 127.0.0.1 on the tftp server just fine |
| 15:15.54 | Pavlz | i know wget but at the moment was not in my head |
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| 15:16.28 | Pavlz | will be for the next time, i downloaded many things with wget |
| 15:16.42 | sc30317 | Has anyone ever setup a PXE boot server? I have it almost working (I think) and I have some questions |
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| 15:17.01 | Pavlz | i thank you |
| 15:17.22 | stew | sc30317: you can be assured that many people have setup a PXE boot server |
| 15:17.26 | tuvwx | where can one show support for CUT (http://lwn.net/Articles/406301/) ? |
| 15:17.51 | sc30317 | stew, I followed this guide http://www.howtoforge.com/setting-up-a-pxe-install-server-for-multiple-linux-distributions-on-debian-lenny |
| 15:18.22 | sc30317 | stew, and I tried running a virtualbox on the same computer that my host is running on, and it told me that there was no boot medium when I started boot from lan in Virtualbox |
| 15:18.26 | sc30317 | you have any idea why? |
| 15:18.27 | stew | tuvwx: i know there is an alioth project |
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| 15:18.45 | Pavlz | i always thinked : who pay people which are on #debian or any other # ? |
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| 15:19.14 | cahoot | mom and pop |
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| 15:20.12 | Pavlz | this is a support that you are giving without to be payd |
| 15:20.24 | Pavlz | :-( |
| 15:20.47 | stew | debian is an all volunteer project, this is just one of the ways many of us volunteer |
| 15:20.53 | Pavlz | Free Software does not means GRATIS |
| 15:21.29 | stew | of course |
| 15:21.50 | stew | well, actually it does, but it means more than that |
| 15:22.29 | Pavlz | and so i think that is correct to pay a little sum or any can give |
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| 15:23.21 | Pavlz | i paid in the past *-src and *-bin of GNU/linux Deb-Ian such as 17,5 euros |
| 15:23.49 | Pavlz | for package |
| 15:24.02 | stew | Pavlz: as we've already discussed, its debian not Deb-Ian |
| 15:24.30 | RmN | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:25.02 | Xenguy | abrotman: a long time ago now we chatted about issues I was having with my laptop wireless card. You know what I discovered yesterday? It was the fracken wireless card firmware that simply needed to be updated :P |
| 15:25.13 | abrotman | whoops |
| 15:25.28 | Xenguy | heh, first time I ever had to mess with firmware |
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| 15:25.43 | geggam | new to linux i take it ? |
| 15:26.02 | Xenguy | geggam: not at all, but it sure humbles me sometimes ;-) |
| 15:26.08 | Pavlz | but firmaware will be not free software |
| 15:26.25 | geggam | everyone gets humbled |
| 15:26.35 | geggam | try being married |
| 15:26.36 | geggam | :D |
| 15:26.53 | Pavlz | and in situation of crash of firmware you put your pcmcia in the trash |
| 15:26.58 | Xenguy | anyhow, wish I'd known what the real issue was a long time ago, but better late than never you know ;-) |
| 15:27.44 | Pavlz | whois so unlucky to be married here ? |
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| 15:28.13 | themill | Pavlz: please stop rambling in #debian. Perhaps you want #defocus? |
| 15:28.14 | Xenguy | Pavlz: yeah, I read you can toast a card if you choose the wrong hex files -- fortunately my update went according to plan |
| 15:28.16 | stew | Pavlz: this isn't a social channel |
| 15:29.08 | Pavlz | isn't there a free software firmware for your pcmcia ? |
| 15:29.15 | RmN | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:29.31 | geggam | true ... i should quit idling here ... linux nerd nazis who hate socialization... |
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| 15:29.50 | stew | godwin flounce |
| 15:30.00 | stew | RmN: for someone to help you they'd need to know what window manager you were running and perhaps what terminal |
| 15:30.05 | Pavlz | <geggam> whois nazi here ? |
| 15:30.16 | stew | Pavlz: he's gone, please drop it |
| 15:31.13 | Pavlz | i turn bakc to work |
| 15:31.18 | Xenguy | Pavlz: I have no idea, and I can tell you I'm not messing with it now that I just got things working (I haven't checked, truthfully, but I would be surprised to learn my card had FS firmware) |
| 15:31.19 | Pavlz | we listen more later |
| 15:31.22 | Pavlz | bye bye |
| 15:31.42 | Xenguy | TTYL |
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| 15:34.33 | jhutchins_lt | RmN: I'm running Konsole on KDE - there's a Settings item on the menu bar, under which is "Save Profile". |
| 15:34.54 | RmN | jhutchins_lt: gnome |
| 15:35.06 | RmN | Versão: 2.22.3 |
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| 15:35.12 | RmN | Distribuidor: Debian |
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| 15:36.43 | RmN | lanweb |
| 15:36.44 | RmN | I change the position of the terminal, width and size when I click again the terminal back to the normal settings! |
| 15:37.27 | jhutchins_lt | RmN: Pick a server, don't post the same discussion to both. |
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| 15:38.05 | lanweb | good afernoon[D[//part |
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| 15:41.07 | Akuw | hi |
| 15:42.21 | Akuw | i have problems to print using Debian. I just installed the printer, all ok, but in Printer Status: inactive, accepting works, public |
| 15:42.42 | Akuw | when i send a print job there is no printing |
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| 15:42.50 | johnfg | hi guys |
| 15:43.15 | Xenguy | Akuw: do you know for sure it is compatible with linux? |
| 15:43.20 | johnfg | On lenny, I don't use network-manager and all comes up as expected. |
| 15:43.22 | Akuw | yes |
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| 15:43.32 | johnfg | I'm not succeeding at this with squeeze. |
| 15:43.58 | Xenguy | Akuw: CUPS has a web interface that might help - have you tried that? |
| 15:44.06 | johnfg | I have interfaces configured as in lenny, but the network isn't coming up as it should. |
| 15:44.16 | Akuw | yes, i print somany times from another computer using Debian |
| 15:44.21 | johnfg | I removed network-manager, and the gnome interface. |
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| 15:44.34 | johnfg | Do I need to remove network-admin as well? |
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| 15:45.08 | johnfg | Network-manager didn't work properly (or I didn't work it right) with my configuration. |
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| 15:45.56 | Xenguy | Akuw: what is your setup? Are you trying to print to a printer that is connected to another Debian workstation, or ...? |
| 15:46.40 | Akuw | no the printer is in the same computer |
| 15:47.01 | Xenguy | !tell Akuw about printing |
| 15:47.07 | Akuw | i used lsusb i got---> Bus 005 Device 007: ID 03f0:3d17 Hewlett-Packard LaserJet P1005 |
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| 15:47.54 | Akuw | cups can find the printer |
| 15:47.58 | Akuw | too |
| 15:48.14 | johnfg | Should I remove network-admin from squeeze, too? Is that what's messing up /etc/init.d/networking from bringing up my interfaces? |
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| 15:48.24 | AlexC_ | morning |
| 15:48.33 | Xenguy | Akuw: If it were me, I'd check out the debian wiki link above to make sure I had everything covered |
| 15:48.47 | Akuw | ok |
| 15:49.15 | Xenguy | Akuw: it's probably some small configuration issue you need to find |
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| 15:51.51 | Xenguy | johnfg: damn I just read something about a change from Lenny->Squeeze re: /etc/init.d/networking a couple of days ago... |
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| 15:52.08 | Xenguy | johnfg: ... but I'm not sure what it was :P |
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| 15:52.38 | Xenguy | johnfg: sorry, I meant /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 15:53.55 | Xenguy | johnfg: so is this wireless or wired issues? |
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| 15:54.04 | johnfg | Xenguy: I looked at some info concerning network-manager, disabling it, but wasn't totally relevant. |
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| 15:55.08 | johnfg | Xenguy: really neither, per se. I need to assign a subnet address so kerberos, openldap and openafs all work properly. network-manager wasn't letting me do that. |
| 15:55.17 | Xenguy | johnfg: With lenny, network-manager isn't supposed to interfere with anything referenced in interfaces, so there shouldn't really be a conflict in theory, unless something has changed in squeeze |
| 15:55.19 | johnfg | I had to disable it for lenny, too. |
| 15:55.37 | Xenguy | johnfg: ahh |
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| 15:57.31 | ondrejk | hello, how can i mount /proc to directory which i want to chroot? |
| 15:58.02 | johnfg | Xenguy: You think I should remove network-admin, too? |
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| 15:59.22 | Xenguy | johnfg: I have no opinion on that; I just don't know |
| 15:59.44 | johnfg | Xenguy: Any other suggestions? |
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| 16:00.20 | Xenguy | johnfg: Judging from what you mentioned before, your networking knowledge is beyond mine :-) |
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| 16:00.52 | Xenguy | johnfg: maybe someone else can help |
| 16:01.05 | johnfg | I'm hoping. |
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| 16:09.10 | Jan\ | is there a way to get notified of new gmail? |
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| 16:10.16 | bogusjokes | many ways |
| 16:10.52 | bogusjokes | conky can do that, a lot of panel apps can do that and a lot of programs can do that, like pidgin and gajim |
| 16:11.11 | Jan\ | ok what is the lightest one? |
| 16:11.20 | Jan\ | opr lightest way |
| 16:11.27 | bogusjokes | conky or some panel app |
| 16:11.35 | Jan\ | panel app? |
| 16:11.50 | bogusjokes | yeah, what desktop enviroment are you using? |
| 16:12.00 | Xenguy | Jan\: if you use FF, there are add-ons you can use |
| 16:12.05 | bogusjokes | at least xfce got an add-on for its panel that does that |
| 16:12.21 | bogusjokes | don't know about other though, but shouldn't be impossible to find |
| 16:12.36 | Jan\ | how do I check what enviroment I am using? |
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| 16:13.24 | Jan\ | i'm noob at debian, duh |
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| 16:13.54 | Jan\ | the taskbar is on top... |
| 16:14.12 | bogusjokes | probably gnome |
| 16:14.41 | Zylone | Click on System.. it will say About Gnome if it is gnome |
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| 16:16.26 | Xenguy | Jan\: I just meant that if you use Firefox/Iceweasel to check your gmail, there are add-ons that will notify you when you have new mail. |
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| 16:18.52 | Jan\ | ok chrome I installed the gmail notifier |
| 16:18.59 | Jan\ | thanks |
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| 16:42.42 | dhsfuds | {YunxBOT}v17 |
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| 16:43.55 | dhsfuds | ¶Ô ˵: Current global users: 62853 Max: 64343 |
| 16:44.04 | dhsfuds | ¶Ô ChanServ ˵: ? |
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| 16:44.16 | themill | dhsfuds: do you have a debian question we can help you with? |
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| 16:44.44 | dhsfuds | ¶Ô themill ˵: ÎÒ¿´²»¶® |
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| 16:45.31 | stew | !zh |
| 16:45.31 | dpkg | somebody said cn was China, or for help in chinese please join irc.oftc.net #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读 |
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| 16:52.06 | TheLord | hi all |
| 16:53.03 | TheLord | What I need if I need to download the data from one mainframe to PC |
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| 16:53.19 | TheLord | with lenny |
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| 16:54.31 | bogusjokes | knowledge |
| 16:54.33 | rudi_s | TheLord: scp? Depends on the system. |
| 16:54.48 | TheLord | S360 |
| 16:55.12 | stew | hehe, I was sure that was a misuse "mainframe" but I guess not :) |
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| 16:57.34 | wodar | hi currently trying to migrate users with their passwords between an old debian box and a new testing server |
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| 16:58.24 | pattonb | greetings: I am trying to figure out how to block a rogue dhcp server on my network , any suggestions ? |
| 16:58.40 | wodar | it look likes that the old passwords was'nt salted so just copying the hashes don't work, any ideas? |
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| 16:59.02 | wodar | pattonb: do you have a manageable switch? |
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| 16:59.10 | pattonb | yes |
| 17:00.05 | wodar | most of them have the ability to enable some sort of port security so dhcp answers can only sended from selected ports |
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| 17:00.36 | sc30317 | I want to setup my own debian x86 repository locally. There seems to be bunch of different documentation on how to do this. Has anyone done this recently, and have any advice? |
| 17:00.38 | squatter | what is a good irc client command line for debian? |
| 17:00.45 | mee_ | irssi |
| 17:00.50 | squatter | thankyou |
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| 17:02.57 | dutchfish | sc30317: http://wiki.debian.org/HowToSetupADebianRepository |
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| 17:03.23 | KB1JWQ | http://quadpoint.org/articles/irssi changed my life, it may change yours. :-) time_squatter |
| 17:03.38 | ola | squatter: emacs erc |
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| 17:04.12 | time_squatter | ola: i've never used emacs |
| 17:04.23 | bogusjokes | weechat is nice |
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| 17:05.11 | ola | time_squatter: If you have not used emacs, I think you should give it a try. It is totally awesome. |
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| 17:06.50 | abrotman | time_squatter: most peopel use irssi |
| 17:07.25 | time_squatter | i have it installed now and reading the documentation. |
| 17:07.32 | time_squatter | I guess I've been in the dark here |
| 17:07.38 | time_squatter | this dark world of irc |
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| 17:07.42 | time_squatter | lol |
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| 17:09.21 | time_squatter | I guess it's not going to let me connect 6667 isn't open and I can't configure the router |
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| 17:09.31 | time_squatter | firewall or whatever |
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| 17:11.13 | mee | pattonb: check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DHCP -- you'll see the ports DHCP uses; block those |
| 17:11.21 | mee | (if you haven't already figured it out) |
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| 17:11.53 | wodar | mee that's not really usefull afaik is dhcp broadcast |
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| 17:12.16 | wodar | and afaik he just want to block unauthorized dhcp servers from misconfigured users |
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| 17:15.28 | mee | you'll prevent the boxes from getting leases from the rogue dhcp server that way, but imnsho, a rogue dhcp server should just be kicked off the network |
| 17:15.47 | jhutchins_lt | Ok, on second suspend-to-disk wifi came up in "Off-line mode" and wouldn't detect a network. Suspended to RAM & restored, network came back up. |
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| 17:16.26 | jhutchins_lt | However, sound is now dead (per normal on StR). |
| 17:16.52 | jelly-hme | welcome to linux |
| 17:17.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's nothing like xrandr for the virtual desktops of vnc4server, is there? |
| 17:17.12 | stew | jhutchins_lt: does unloading and reloading kernel modules fix things? |
| 17:17.29 | jhutchins_lt | Um ... I know I've tried alsa-utils restart... |
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| 17:17.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | for i.e. changing resolution on a running server |
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| 17:18.24 | jelly-hme | jhutchins_lt: another possible workaround could be unloading sound modules before suspend, and loading them back afterwards |
| 17:18.43 | jhutchins_lt | Erg, there's like 15 snd* modules |
| 17:19.27 | jelly-hme | so unload them all; and load back only the actual driver |
| 17:19.35 | jelly-hme | the rest is dependencies |
| 17:19.51 | stew | and taking out the snd module might take the rest with it |
| 17:20.02 | jhutchins_lt | snd 34383 15 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device |
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| 17:20.22 | jhutchins_lt | stew: Except it's "in use"... |
| 17:20.30 | jelly-hme | stew: does recursive rmmod exist now? It used to not |
| 17:20.37 | stew | modprobe -r ? |
| 17:21.01 | jhutchins_lt | FATAL: Module snd is in use. |
| 17:21.27 | stew | so I wonder if you'll find out that when it is not in use is when it works after a StR |
| 17:21.54 | jhutchins_lt | Hmm. This time alsa-utils stop, start fixed it. |
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| 17:22.26 | jhutchins_lt | Well, for a flaky old laptop with early apci I can live with that. |
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| 17:24.53 | TillAE | hi |
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| 17:26.30 | TillAE | ich würde Debian gern 24h als Serversystem betreiben müssen da bestimmte Vorraussetzungen getroffen werden? |
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| 17:27.09 | stew | !de |
| 17:27.09 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 17:28.51 | TillAE | I would like to use Debian as a server system 24 to operate as certain conditions are met? |
| 17:29.22 | abrotman | TillAE: try again, that doesn't make much sense |
| 17:29.31 | shadowscene | well, he used google translate |
| 17:29.33 | shadowscene | however |
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| 17:29.52 | shadowscene | I think what he wants is to be able to use a debian machine as a server that is powered on 24hours ? |
| 17:29.52 | atula | greetings. here's what I would like to do: have a group for all user with access to samba. when user upload files to the shared directory, the ownership is owned by the group but the group can make changes to it. so in my mind here's what I was thinking: 1) create a group 2) add current users to group then 3) change masking option in smb.conf |
| 17:30.01 | TillAE | yes |
| 17:30.14 | jelly-hme | TillAE: if you're asking is Debian a suitable OS to run on a 24/7/365 server, the answer is yes |
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| 17:31.07 | jelly-hme | given decent hardware, that is |
| 17:31.16 | stew | atula: yes, you'll also want the directory to be chmod g+s |
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| 17:31.45 | atula | stew: whats +s? I've never seen that |
| 17:31.49 | Bushmills | he also asked what preconditions must be met |
| 17:31.51 | atula | I thought it was just rw |
| 17:31.53 | atula | x |
| 17:32.02 | TillAE | it is a little intel atom pc staying @ home is the atom mb ok for 24 h use? |
| 17:32.06 | stew | atula: sticky, see http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
| 17:32.20 | atula | ah cool thank you. lemme take a read read |
| 17:32.24 | shadowscene | Aren't intel atom processors generally only used in netbooks? |
| 17:32.26 | Bushmills | TillAE, i have my atom box running under debian 24/7 |
| 17:32.36 | jelly-hme | shadowscene: and set top boxes / media centers |
| 17:32.49 | stew | and bytemark dedicated servers, or so I hear |
| 17:32.49 | Bushmills | TillAE, plain debian installation does nicely |
| 17:32.53 | jelly-hme | shadowscene: or anything low-powered but still x86 |
| 17:32.59 | shadowscene | Ah |
| 17:33.00 | shadowscene | ok |
| 17:33.01 | jhutchins_lt | TillAE: You are likely to learn some things getting it running - getting the storage devices recognized at boot can be interesting. |
| 17:33.02 | shadowscene | i stand corrected |
| 17:33.47 | TillAE | ok |
| 17:33.48 | jhutchins_lt | What are the little wall-wart servers? |
| 17:34.27 | Bushmills | guruplug, sheevaplug and such? ARM i think |
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| 17:35.37 | TillAE | but i think the HDD mut be replaced with a 24/7 certified one now its an old samsung spinpoint 80GB for the OS |
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| 17:36.15 | stew | if someone would kindly send me a guruplug i'll confirm it has an arm processor |
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| 17:38.11 | Bushmills | stew, 1.2 GHz ARM Marvell Kirkwood 6281 |
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| 17:41.26 | vy | Despite I have «ACTION=="add", ENV{ID_FS_UUID}=="0C98AFAF98AF95AC", RUN+="mount /media/tosun"» line in my /etc/udev/rules.d/99-tosun.rules file, plugging the device doesn't make udev take any action. What might I be missing? |
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| 17:42.40 | jhutchins_lt | vy: With a 99 priority file it's possible some other rule is intercepting your event, look ad dmesg & logs. |
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| 17:44.02 | jet | Hi, I just installed a new debian 5.0, but I can't send an email using the tool "mail" |
| 17:44.26 | jet | I guess, I need to install or configure some packages, but I can't figure out which one |
| 17:45.15 | abrotman | which MTA are you using? |
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| 17:45.39 | jet | sorry, what is MTA ? |
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| 17:46.22 | mee | MTA is Mail Transfer Agent -- typically a mail server like sendmail, postfix or qmail |
| 17:46.24 | abrotman | SMTP server? |
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| 17:46.40 | abrotman | in his case, probably exim .. no one should be using qmail or sendmail IMO |
| 17:47.02 | jhutchins_lt | tasksel mail-server? |
| 17:47.12 | jet | some packages of exim4 are installed |
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| 17:47.37 | jet | like exim4-base, exim4-config or exim4-daemon-light |
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| 17:47.46 | abrotman | jet: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config .. set the options to either use it as a full mail server, or use a smart host |
| 17:47.53 | abrotman | those are likely the ones you want |
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| 17:50.37 | jet | abrotman thanks, I think that's what I was missing ! |
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| 17:53.31 | jet | yes, it works, thanks a lot ! |
| 17:53.33 | vy | jhutchins_lt: I renamed it to 89-tosun.rules, unmounted, unplugged the device, restarted udev, plugged-in the device, no changes. Am I missing something? |
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| 17:55.22 | jhutchins_lt | vy: Well, that only moves it up 10, the problem is that there may be a rule with a lower number/higher priority. |
| 17:55.35 | jhutchins_lt | Again, check the logs. |
| 17:57.52 | vy | jhutchins_lt: I checked the logs, nothing related with udev. |
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| 17:58.23 | jhutchins_lt | dmesg? |
| 17:58.23 | wildc4rd | evening all |
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| 18:00.03 | vy | jhutchins_lt: Nothing: http://pastebin.com/EKjazwxZ |
| 18:01.19 | jhutchins_lt | So it's detecting the device and mounting it as scsi storage? |
| 18:01.32 | jhutchins_lt | Or it's not detecting the device? |
| 18:01.53 | kombi | doing dist-upgrade I get "invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/glibc.sh not found." Never saw a glibc.sh on this box, where do I get one? |
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| 18:02.41 | vy | jhutchins_lt: Just detecting the device, doesn't take any action. |
| 18:03.31 | geekosopher | if I encounter a bug during upgrade from lenny to squeeze, which package should I report it against? |
| 18:03.34 | stew | kombi: which package gives you that error? |
| 18:03.42 | vy | BTW, here is my related fstab entry: http://pastebin.com/KuLkB038 |
| 18:03.48 | jhutchins_lt | kombi: My system says it's in libc6 |
| 18:04.23 | jhutchins_lt | !tell vy about automount |
| 18:04.45 | jhutchins_lt | vy: One of those may help, I'm not sure what the proper setup is. |
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| 18:07.24 | atula | I don't know what's my issue is, but I'm having a hard time transfering big files (7->10GB) to a raid1 share drive over samba from windows client. it usually complains that the network name doesn't exist |
| 18:07.50 | kombi | jhutchins_lt: "set -x" in both /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6.preinst and -postinst solved it;) |
| 18:08.12 | kombi | atula: same happens to me all the time... |
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| 18:08.47 | atula | kombi: what do you think the issue is? I know raid1 is a bit slower to write... but not only it's significantly slower... it's failing transfer |
| 18:09.12 | kombi | atula: I never dug into it to be honest... |
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| 18:11.26 | MrWax | in which file can I change eth1 back to eth0 again? |
| 18:11.38 | cahoot | !70 |
| 18:11.39 | dpkg | udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address since version 0.090. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Lenny, Squeeze) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch). If you want the mappings to change, edit the respective file. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" ("udevtrigger" on Etch) or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>. |
| 18:11.47 | kombi | MxWax: /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 18:13.03 | MrWax | dpkg gave the right answer |
| 18:13.03 | dpkg | MrWax: i don't know |
| 18:13.17 | kombi | true, I stand corrected |
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| 18:14.39 | JyZyXEL | how does GRUB_DEFAULT work in debian? |
| 18:14.57 | JyZyXEL | especially if GRUB_DEFAULT=saved |
| 18:15.38 | stew | JyZyXEL: /msg dpkg grub fallback |
| 18:16.15 | JyZyXEL | this is GRUB2 |
| 18:16.31 | JyZyXEL | or the newer grub and not the legacy one |
| 18:17.08 | stew | judd: file grub-set-defailt --release squeeze |
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| 18:17.12 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
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| 18:17.54 | stew | JyZyXEL: well the "saved" value is effected by grub-set-default |
| 18:18.25 | JyZyXEL | whats grub-set-default? |
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| 18:18.54 | stew | JyZyXEL: the thing that effects a saved default entry for grub |
| 18:18.58 | JyZyXEL | there used to be a command "savedefault" but the new grub doesn't have it |
| 18:19.31 | JyZyXEL | and theres no grub-set-default in debian |
| 18:20.04 | stew | JyZyXEL: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=grub-set-default&mode=path&suite=testing&arch=i386 |
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| 18:21.39 | JyZyXEL | i don't seem to have it |
| 18:22.04 | stew | JyZyXEL: "grep savedefault /etc/grub.d/*" returns nothing? |
| 18:22.15 | JyZyXEL | yeah |
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| 18:22.44 | stew | JyZyXEL: can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy grub-pc"? |
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| 18:24.43 | JyZyXEL | Installed: 1.97+20091115-1 |
| 18:24.45 | JyZyXEL | Candidate: 1.98+20100804-5 |
| 18:24.51 | jhutchins_lt | Well, let's try another StR... |
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| 18:26.32 | stew | JyZyXEL: wow, really out of date testing branch? |
| 18:27.13 | JyZyXEL | i don't like upgrading grub |
| 18:27.17 | stew | grub2 (1.97+20091115-1) Sun, 15 Nov 2009 19:13:31 +0100 |
| 18:27.19 | JyZyXEL | if it breaks its a pain to fix |
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| 18:29.05 | abrotman | then maybe you should run stable? |
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| 18:32.49 | JyZyXEL | warning, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 60719 package 'virtualbox-3.1': |
| 18:32.52 | JyZyXEL | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:32.59 | JyZyXEL | how do i fix that? |
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| 18:33.30 | JyZyXEL | i tried to purge all the virtualbox packages but the lines are still in the file |
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| 18:33.56 | atula | how do I monitor S.M.A.R.T report ? is there a textbased--ascii monitor tool out there that I can take a quick look at my server's status? |
| 18:34.15 | atula | I used to ahve gkrellm when I was running fluxbox for the laptop... but now my home server is all terminal |
| 18:34.40 | thewanderer1 | smartctl |
| 18:34.49 | TPC | hello, I just bought a new headset for my computer, and the microphone record volume is extremly low, I can just barely hear something when the recording volume is set at max and mic boost is enabled in alsamixer |
| 18:35.00 | TPC | is there some way of boosting the recording volume further? |
| 18:35.10 | atula | thewanderer1: thank you |
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| 18:38.06 | JyZyXEL | can i just go and delete the lines from /var/lib/dpkg/available |
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| 18:38.19 | cesurasean | can someone please help me fix this issue with quota? - http://pastebin.com/2rfXwvMz |
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| 18:38.49 | karlpinc | TPC: No clue, but if nothing else works you could try a newer kernel from backports.debian.org |
| 18:39.28 | thewanderer1 | cesurasean: my guess - you haven't run checkquota before starting quota? or sth like that, one of the steps involved |
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| 18:39.53 | karlpinc | TPC Your problem sounds familiar. I seem to recall solving something like that by poking at alsa, perhaps. |
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| 18:39.57 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: sure, investigate how to rebuild quota files and switch them on manually. Weren't you told that 1-2 days ago? |
| 18:41.40 | cesurasean | ive already done so |
| 18:41.45 | cesurasean | still doesn't work.... |
| 18:41.59 | TPC | karlpinc, I'm running sid so my kernel should be recent enough |
| 18:42.04 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: what did you use to rebuild the quota files? |
| 18:42.07 | cesurasean | i reenabled, rescanned, then turned on, no luck |
| 18:42.10 | TPC | karlpinc, altough its been a few months since I rebooted the box, so maybe not |
| 18:42.11 | cesurasean | let me show you |
| 18:42.12 | cesurasean | hold on |
| 18:43.09 | jhutchins_lt | Wow, actually closer to 30 minutes than 15 this time. |
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| 18:43.40 | cesurasean | jelly-hme, http://pastebin.com/M9cFdKQm |
| 18:43.44 | jelly-hme | fixing quota is a bit unwieldy, but not a too complex task |
| 18:43.45 | cesurasean | i tried that. no success. |
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| 18:44.38 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: why -m? |
| 18:45.11 | JyZyXEL | !nvidia-glx |
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| 18:45.25 | cesurasean | jelly-hme, so just run quotacheck -avug? |
| 18:45.43 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: I didn't say that. I asked, why did you use -m? |
| 18:45.48 | jhutchins_lt | Nope, no sound on StR resume this time, no mater how I sequence restarting alsa-utils. |
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| 18:46.02 | cesurasean | what code should i use, then? |
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| 18:46.18 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: can you answer the question? |
| 18:46.28 | cesurasean | no, i don't remember why i added m. |
| 18:46.32 | cesurasean | sorry. |
| 18:47.08 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: ok. I'd omit it. also, you're touching wrong files. |
| 18:47.27 | cesurasean | those are the same files i used when i created the system |
| 18:47.28 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: note the quota file name in your error message. |
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| 18:47.37 | cesurasean | those are the exact commands i used to create quota the first time |
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| 18:48.12 | cesurasean | jelly-hme, do you mind sending a pastebin of WHAT i should be doing? |
| 18:48.16 | cesurasean | plz |
| 18:49.24 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: no, sorry, I won't haldhold you for free. My goal here is giving some info in exchange for you to learn how to deal with some of this stuff yourself |
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| 18:49.48 | cesurasean | that still doesn't explain the error I'm having. |
| 18:49.57 | cesurasean | can you better explain what the exact problem im having is? |
| 18:50.01 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: so, read your error message. Note the file name there. Note it's different from the files you're touching. |
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| 18:50.40 | cesurasean | this part? //aquota.group |
| 18:50.45 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: indeed. |
| 18:50.48 | cesurasean | shouldnt it be /aquota.group |
| 18:50.50 | cesurasean | ? |
| 18:50.52 | jhutchins_lt | Ok, StR killed sound, StD killed networking, StR & back fixed networking but still no sound. |
| 18:51.08 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: that's the same. ////foo and /foo is same. |
| 18:51.27 | thewanderer1 | Morton said no networking was a minor quibble for him... |
| 18:51.34 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: however, compare it to the files you're creating with your commands. |
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| 18:52.05 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: are you creating /aquota.group and /aquota.user which the message complains about? |
| 18:52.32 | cesurasean | im fixing it now |
| 18:52.35 | cesurasean | thanks for the help |
| 18:52.37 | cesurasean | i see the prob |
| 18:53.12 | Number6 | Can anyone recommend the best way to edit the system wide bash profile. I'd like all users to have coloured "ls" and a few other aliases - as well as coloured prompts |
| 18:53.16 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: also read the quotacheck manual, and try to figure out what option to use when the quota files are completely missing. There is one. |
| 18:53.22 | project2501b | Number6: vi |
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| 18:53.36 | project2501b | Do not fear! i am here! |
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| 18:53.42 | Number6 | project2501b: Really? I'd never have guessed :) |
| 18:53.46 | jhutchins_lt | !bashrc |
| 18:53.46 | dpkg | ~/.bashrc is where you put all your aliases and functions. It's read at start-up time by all interactive non-login shells. To make sure it's read by a login shell, put "source ~/.bashrc" at the end of ~/.bash_profile, or just remove the comment that is placed before the already typed include line that Debian's ~/.bash_profile has by default. Ask me about <bash eternal history>. |
| 18:53.47 | project2501b | tonight, we help out other people |
| 18:54.13 | cesurasean | jelly-hme, now when i do a quota check, i guess this: quotacheck -avug |
| 18:54.13 | cesurasean | quotacheck: Cannot guess format from filename on /dev/disk/by-uuid/5907adfd-005e-44e0-a036-efc11067602c. Please specify format on commandline. |
| 18:54.21 | thewanderer1 | Number6: I usually edit /etc/bash.bashrc and put in "source /etc/bash_aliases" |
| 18:54.26 | thewanderer1 | then create /etc/bash_aliases |
| 18:54.49 | Number6 | thewanderer1: cheers |
| 18:55.20 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: I won't read the manual for you. Obviously it wants you to "specify format on commandline" and thinks your freshly created, empty quota files are invalid. |
| 18:56.07 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: That factoid's not particularly thorough is it? |
| 18:56.45 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: well, at a first glance, I can't really tell if it's dpkg's poetry or a way to express real info |
| 18:57.03 | project2501b | thewanderer1: why do that, when you can just use /etc/profile ? and create /etc/profile.aliases or something |
| 18:57.45 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: It's the result of technical people trying to cram the most-likely-to-be-relevant information into a single IRC line. |
| 18:57.54 | thewanderer1 | project2501b: profile != bashrc and this way I'm achieving modularity |
| 18:58.14 | thewanderer1 | your question is equivalent to "why not use apache2.conf for everything in httpd" |
| 18:58.21 | cesurasean | ok, now it's saying this: quotacheck: WARNING - Quotafile //aquota.user was probably truncated. Cannot save quota settings... |
| 18:58.36 | cesurasean | wtf does that means? |
| 18:58.46 | JodaZ | hmm, is there any quick way to install a debian vm on a debian machine, does anyone have a walkthru to do something like that ? |
| 18:58.53 | thewanderer1 | cesurasean: get yourself a quota tutorial, really |
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| 18:59.34 | thewanderer1 | JodaZ: if you need full virt, you install it as usual (Express mode is nice for this) or use FAI for preseeding and sth like that. you could also use pre-built images... |
| 18:59.49 | nkuttler | JodaZ: /msg dpkg virtualization |
| 19:00.12 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: "truncated" means the file is too short and it can't do insert fixed data into it. Make it ignore the old quota file. |
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| 19:00.56 | cesurasean | make it ignore the old quota file? huh? |
| 19:01.01 | cesurasean | should i delete the old ones? |
| 19:01.58 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: yes, make the command you're running ignore the old files since they seem to be "truncated" |
| 19:02.50 | JodaZ | nkuttler, it presents me with quite a few options, my use case is giving someone "a root" for a httpd who shouldn't have actually have root on the machine |
| 19:03.04 | JodaZ | thewanderer1, its a headless server btw |
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| 19:03.56 | nkuttler | JodaZ: hm, what does 'root for httpd' mean? |
| 19:04.02 | jhutchins_lt | JodaZ: You might want to look at openvz, it allows isolation without having to have multiple OS instances. |
| 19:04.23 | jhutchins_lt | JodaZ: You can also get all ninja with sudo, but that can be tricky. |
| 19:04.28 | cesurasean | jelly-hme, i removed the old quota files, and now im getting this: quotacheck: WARNING - Quotafile //aquota.user was probably truncated. Cannot save quota settings... |
| 19:04.58 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: amazing! It's the exact same message! |
| 19:05.09 | stew | jhutchins_lt: virt-install from the virtinst package makes it pretty easy to create new VMs |
| 19:05.12 | stew | err |
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| 19:05.15 | stew | JodaZ:^^ |
| 19:05.19 | JodaZ | jhutchins_lt, both seem like too much work, not enough flexibility and so on |
| 19:05.32 | jhutchins_lt | seems to remember not having IRC when he built a quotaed RH5 system (not RHEL). |
| 19:05.34 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: read the manual. Find an option for quotacheck to make it ignore old or nonexisting quota files. |
| 19:05.37 | thewanderer1 | JodaZ: you should consider using per-user configs for your server... |
| 19:05.51 | JodaZ | thewanderer1, what do you mean ? |
| 19:05.52 | jhutchins_lt | stew: Good to know. |
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| 19:06.05 | thewanderer1 | JodaZ: giving users root is no good these days |
| 19:06.20 | jhutchins_lt | stew: A lot of the VM host support sites will have snapshotted VM's of various distros (& other OSs). |
| 19:06.24 | JodaZ | thewanderer1, yes, thats why i want to give him root in a vm |
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| 19:06.59 | thewanderer1 | JodaZ: for this, you should be using OpenVZ like everyone out there |
| 19:07.20 | thewanderer1 | of course after checking for kernel root exploits (hint: Squeeze is NOT a good idea!) |
| 19:07.41 | JodaZ | hmm, its lenny |
| 19:07.57 | cesurasean | jelly-hme, could my fstab be the issue? |
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| 19:08.29 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: no, read the fucking manual. |
| 19:08.31 | thewanderer1 | JodaZ: then go for openvz, with it you get the added bonus of chroot-like functionality (BSD Jail, anyone?) |
| 19:08.59 | JodaZ | thewanderer1, but i don't update it often enough for it beeing secure against kernel roots (since it needs a custom built kernel :-( ) |
| 19:09.14 | thewanderer1 | your machine needs a custom kernel? huh |
| 19:09.28 | JodaZ | yes, i'd love to use stock, but it no work |
| 19:09.39 | thewanderer1 | I can only recommend 1 thing |
| 19:09.51 | karlpinc | JodaZ: You need something newer, or what? |
| 19:09.54 | thewanderer1 | make a template system in KVM, then use it as base image for other images |
| 19:09.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | duh, what's the problem with a stock kernel? |
| 19:10.15 | JodaZ | CutMeOwnThroat, it no boot |
| 19:10.19 | thewanderer1 | CutMeOwnThroat: well, my DSDT is buggy, that would be one reason O.o |
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| 19:10.41 | jhutchins_lt | These things happen. |
| 19:10.48 | JodaZ | they require lilo |
| 19:11.15 | thewanderer1 | yes, and "spurious response" from the sound card happens, too... |
| 19:11.15 | thewanderer1 | loves his motherboard... |
| 19:11.15 | jhutchins_lt | lilo is great. I'm just too lazy to switch back to it. |
| 19:11.15 | JodaZ | they use some strange (old) setup to allow network boot and stuff |
| 19:11.25 | jhutchins_lt | This is why we CAN compile our own kernels in linux. |
| 19:11.35 | jhutchins_lt | Imagine if we had to wait for Microsoft to fix it? |
| 19:11.52 | JodaZ | jhutchins_lt, well, but beeing forced to do it is no fun |
| 19:12.11 | JodaZ | but its not a linux problem |
| 19:12.46 | JodaZ | jhutchins_lt (you can't even install windows headlessly) |
| 19:13.27 | jelly-hme | JodaZ: you can image it headlessly and do the sysprep trick |
| 19:13.27 | thewanderer1 | has to admit that compiling OpenVZ kernel from Debian sources is a heroic task |
| 19:13.41 | JodaZ | thewanderer1, but why do you recommend against squeeze regarding kernel roots ? |
| 19:13.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | wouldn't noacpi help with that? |
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| 19:14.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | what do you _do_ when you compile as a fix that can't be done on a stock kernel? |
| 19:14.26 | JodaZ | jelly-hme, does that include praying and stuff ? |
| 19:14.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought with initram etc. you could pretty much do everything.... |
| 19:14.49 | jelly-hme | JodaZ: any computer-related activity does |
| 19:14.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | except if you need patches for the main kernelspace |
| 19:14.56 | thewanderer1 | JodaZ: something called acidbitchez was out in the wild lately and I am not really sure if squeeze kernel includes a patch against that. it gave you root and it made it possible to break out of chroot, openvz and who knows what |
| 19:15.34 | JodaZ | thewanderer1, shouldn't squeeze get those patches right away seeing its the "testing" distro ? |
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| 19:15.49 | thewanderer1 | no, stable gets them as it's the "security supported" distro |
| 19:15.49 | jelly-hme | thewanderer1: that was just a local exploit, and only for a single architecture |
| 19:16.06 | JodaZ | jelly-hme, "only" |
| 19:16.09 | thewanderer1 | jelly-hme: yes, and one that exactly involves a typical OpenVZ server scenario. |
| 19:16.25 | thewanderer1 | thousands of hosting providers use OpenVZ on amd64, so you know... |
| 19:16.30 | jhutchins_lt | Stable _sometimes_ gets them. Often not right away. |
| 19:16.32 | jelly-hme | doesn't |
| 19:16.41 | stew | JodaZ: testing hasn't had security support for a long time now |
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| 19:16.51 | JodaZ | jelly-hme, was it non exploitable for other archs or did the exploit just no work |
| 19:16.55 | stew | which should hopefully change soon |
| 19:17.10 | thewanderer1 | JodaZ: it depends on IA32_EMULATION in x86_64 arch kernels |
| 19:17.11 | stew | JodaZ: what's the difference between "non exploitable' and "exploit doesn't work"? |
| 19:17.17 | jelly-hme | JodaZ: x86_86 32-bit emulation specific |
| 19:17.24 | JodaZ | stew, hmm, i'd have thought that they'd just bump up the kernel version on testing on something like that |
| 19:17.27 | thewanderer1 | stew: one that you call "script kiddie is a moron" |
| 19:17.55 | JodaZ | stew, wat |
| 19:17.58 | stew | JodaZ: no, since testing is frozen |
| 19:17.58 | thewanderer1 | JodaZ, jelly-hme: what is funny, OpenVZ ALSO depends on IA32_EMULATION... |
| 19:18.05 | JodaZ | stew, already |
| 19:18.07 | JodaZ | wow |
| 19:18.31 | stew | JodaZ: already? it was frozen in august which was 6 months after their goal |
| 19:18.40 | jelly-hme | thewanderer1: I mean, there's a local exploit every month |
| 19:18.46 | jelly-hme | or three |
| 19:18.57 | JodaZ | wasn't it just recent that lenny got out of testing, stew ? |
| 19:19.28 | stew | JodaZ: 1.5 years ago |
| 19:19.43 | stew | JodaZ: lenny was frozen in 2008 |
| 19:19.45 | thewanderer1 | quite recently as for Debian |
| 19:19.51 | jelly-hme | in debian, that counts as recent |
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| 19:19.57 | project2501b | lennin was frozen in 1929 |
| 19:20.14 | jelly-hme | project2501b: thankfully never released |
| 19:20.17 | jhutchins_lt | I seem to have installed etch like a few weeks before etch-n-half came out, then lenny came pretty soon after that. |
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| 19:20.25 | Xenguy | 2/WG 5 |
| 19:20.37 | Xenguy | oops |
| 19:20.49 | project2501b | jelly-hme: it just a specter hanging over europe |
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| 19:23.30 | time_squatter | I can only run irssi when I'm logged in as root |
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| 19:23.52 | time_squatter | if I try to install it with normal user, it says log in as root |
| 19:24.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | install != run |
| 19:24.32 | jelly-hme | time_squatter: once it is installed, just run it as normal user |
| 19:24.43 | KB1JWQ | time_squatter: Yes. Install as root. Run as user. |
| 19:24.56 | KB1JWQ | Welcome to the Linux model. :-) |
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| 19:25.15 | time_squatter | ok I was really stupid i was trying to run irrssi |
| 19:25.31 | time_squatter | it wasn't working because I spelled it wrong |
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| 19:25.38 | stew | and when you run that it says to login as root? |
| 19:25.56 | time_squatter | no, it fine now. I was just doing it wrong |
| 19:26.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | that sentence is probably true after 100% of all solved problems :) |
| 19:26.36 | KB1JWQ | time_squatter: "Command not found" is NOT "log in as root." |
| 19:27.09 | cesurasean | how do i fix this? someone please assist? |
| 19:27.20 | cesurasean | Thu Oct 7 14:25:13 2010: /etc/environment has been deprecated for locale information; use /etc/default/locale for LANG="en_US.UTF-8" instead ... ^[[33m(warning).^[[39;49m |
| 19:27.24 | time_squatter | that's what it was saying when I ran apt-get install irrssi <---- yes even spelled it wrong there |
| 19:27.42 | time_squatter | I'm done asking questions. Thanks |
| 19:27.46 | KB1JWQ | No worries. |
| 19:28.13 | KB1JWQ | cesurasean: Likely that you should put LANG="en_US.UTF-8" into /etc/default/locale instead of in /etc/environment. Just a rough guess though. :-) |
| 19:28.55 | cesurasean | i looked in that file, and it says; LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
| 19:28.58 | jelly-hme | KB1JWQ: nowai, HOW were you able to figure that out?!?! |
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| 19:29.49 | KB1JWQ | cesurasean: And for humor, is that line in /etc/environment? |
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| 19:30.19 | cesurasean | KB1JWQ, i had to REMOVE the lines inside /etc/environment , pretty sure. i checked another server and it was blank. i made sure something was in /etc/default/locale before i deleted |
| 19:30.34 | KB1JWQ | cesurasean: Okay. Once that's done you shouldn't see that message anymore. |
| 19:30.39 | cesurasean | cool |
| 19:30.42 | cesurasean | thanks bro |
| 19:30.57 | KB1JWQ | Take your brocabulary back to your brommunity. |
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| 19:31.59 | cesurasean | brommunity? lol |
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| 19:33.56 | KB1JWQ | cesurasean: Yes. I presume that's where you'd find like-minded brofessionals. |
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| 19:34.40 | cesurasean | heheheh |
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| 19:40.59 | sonuloveu | Hi |
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| 19:41.12 | tech | ok fellas.. i got the old: Since release 150, udev requires that support for the CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED feature is disabled in the running kernel. |
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| 19:41.18 | tech | anyone got ahow to? |
| 19:41.31 | sonuloveu | I am getting this erro when I am try9ing to install any of the ftp package : http://pastebin.com/kNf39n2L |
| 19:41.45 | jhutchins_lt | tech: Um... it kinda says in the error message... |
| 19:41.49 | jhutchins_lt | !udev |
| 19:41.49 | dpkg | [udev] /dev/ and hotplug management daemon. Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of <DevFS>, dependent upon a Linux kernel >= 2.6.15 (>= 2.6.27 for Squeeze). Ask me about <70>, <udev squeeze>, <udev rules>, <udev details>, <.dev>, <dpin>. http://wiki.debian.org/udev http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev.html |
| 19:42.37 | jelly-hme | itym udev squeeze |
| 19:43.05 | jelly-hme | tech: what were you doing when you got that? |
| 19:43.12 | tech | jhutchins_lt: understood but should i upgrade to a new kernel that has this? |
| 19:43.16 | tech | currently on 2.6.24 |
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| 19:43.25 | tech | apt-get upgrade |
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| 19:44.34 | jelly-hme | tech: which debian release are you using or, what do you have in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 19:45.39 | jelly-hme | 2.6.24 is a bit dated, current debian stable kernels have `uname -r` like 2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 19:46.54 | thewanderer1 | thinks 2.6.24 was etch-n-half |
| 19:47.10 | tech | ok - so upgrade to 26? |
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| 19:47.41 | tech | Linux IDS 2.6.26-1-686 #1 SMP Fri Mar 13 18:08:45 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 19:47.45 | tech | sorry fellas i was at 26 |
| 19:48.28 | thewanderer1 | you should probably upgrade anyway, I think -1-686 is not the newest one and might contain security holes |
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| 19:49.11 | tech | ok so go to something like: linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 |
| 19:49.12 | tech | ? |
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| 19:50.44 | thewanderer1 | no, stay at 2.6.26-2-686 if you want to be stable... just the -2 minor version, some patches added |
| 19:51.11 | thewanderer1 | unless you need some features from 2.6.32, that is |
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| 19:54.00 | jhutchins_lt | Oooh, here's an interesting one: dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/wlan0 for sub-path wlan0.dbus.get.domain_search |
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| 19:54.53 | thewanderer1 | dbus is always nothing but problems... |
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| 19:58.09 | acu | marius |
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| 19:58.26 | cesurasean | how do i fix this: cron[1353]: Error: bad minute; while reading /etc/cron.d/bfd ? |
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| 20:00.03 | Bushmills | use, for minutes, a number between 0 and 59 |
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| 20:00.48 | stew | cesurasean: can you show us the contents of that file in a pastebin? |
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| 20:03.30 | tech | hey guys, before i reboot after this upgrade it stated lilo.conf has depreciated names boot=/dev/sda |
| 20:03.41 | tech | should i change this to boot= "UUID=bc2d66a5-b475-4cde-89bc-2b88bb7245d7" |
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| 20:03.45 | tech | same way for root? |
| 20:03.52 | tech | i do not want to reboot until i know. |
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| 20:07.25 | cesurasean | stew, http://pastebin.com/ciG18kh2 |
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| 20:10.20 | peterrooney | what file does alsamixer write to when you're done setting levels? |
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| 20:10.49 | stew | cesurasean: odd. does it work without the MAILTO or SHELL variables? |
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| 20:11.06 | Bushmills | 0/10, not */10 |
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| 20:12.02 | stew | batrick: no, */10 is correct |
| 20:12.03 | stew | err |
| 20:12.06 | stew | Bushmills: |
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| 20:16.26 | cesurasean | stew, still same error when i comment that out |
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| 20:19.29 | dv- | where does dictd log to? |
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| 20:20.16 | Tramp | cesurasean: make sure, the last line has a newline at the end |
| 20:21.26 | vy` | In etch, there were more kernel messages while booting, in lenny, it is lessened, and in squeeze it is nearly totally vanished --- and there are no loglevel changes in the kernel boot parameters. Is it possible to rollback to previous kernel message verbosities? |
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| 20:25.27 | peterrooney | dv-: you tell it, in global settings section of dictd.conf |
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| 20:26.11 | peterrooney | dv-: for some reason, they put the conf file info into man 8 dictd |
| 20:26.21 | dv- | peterrooney: do you mean /etc/defaults/dict? |
| 20:26.30 | dv- | peterrooney: er, dictd |
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| 20:30.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | I've compared a couple of disks with bonnie++ with the result in http://pastebin.com/vi6emZeK - I've been mainly looking at the block sequential in/out value... anything else I should specifically look for? |
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| 20:33.42 | ColgateRaider | Hello |
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| 20:36.49 | peterrooney | dv-: I meant that /etc/dictd/dictd.conf syntax is covered in man 8 dictd, and that there is no man page for dictd.conf only. |
| 20:36.55 | devdvd | Hi all. Running debian 5.0.5. Got an email from pci compliance people saying they found this vulnerability: http://www.nessus.org/plugins/index.php?view=single&id=10443 any thoughts on how i would go about fixing it? |
| 20:38.27 | showe | meh |
| 20:38.46 | showe | dont bother |
| 20:38.52 | devdvd | ? |
| 20:39.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | Solution: Contact your vendor for a patch. |
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| 20:40.22 | devdvd | yea, i see that CutMeOwnThroat, which is why i'm here |
| 20:40.23 | showe | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 20:40.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | I didn't sell anything! |
| 20:40.43 | devdvd | then why did i write you that big check? |
| 20:40.44 | devdvd | :) |
| 20:40.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | but what I seriously meant... that's a non-advice |
| 20:40.52 | showe | if you have your own kernel then patch the relevant source file, or get a new source package.. |
| 20:40.56 | dondelelcaro | devdvd: if you're running a reasonable kernel, that vulnerability should be closed |
| 20:41.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | devdvd, we talk again when I cashed it! |
| 20:41.33 | devdvd | Linux www01 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP |
| 20:41.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | devdvd, what does uname -r say |
| 20:41.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah |
| 20:41.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
| 20:41.49 | dondelelcaro | devdvd: yeah, that was patched out of that kernel ages ago, iirc. |
| 20:41.55 | devdvd | okie |
| 20:42.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, kernels |
| 20:42.05 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.36-rc6-686 (2.6.36~rc6-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-24); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-23); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-23~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-25lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
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| 20:42.50 | showe | devdvd: get the RHEL kernel and install it |
| 20:43.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha... ha... |
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| 20:43.04 | cesurasean | stew, problem is fixed now with bfd. :) thanks guys. |
| 20:43.14 | cesurasean | can someone explain why bind is showing this in syslog? : http://pastebin.com/vJ3af7Rm |
| 20:43.15 | devdvd | ..... |
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| 20:43.30 | showe | get the gentoo source package for kernel |
| 20:43.35 | showe | compile it |
| 20:43.38 | dondelelcaro | devdvd: yeah, it was fixed in 1999 or so; not sure how they're testing it, but it's worng. |
| 20:43.45 | dondelelcaro | showe: stop giving useless advice, please. |
| 20:43.52 | showe | lol |
| 20:43.56 | devdvd | dondelelcaro: using nessus |
| 20:43.58 | themill | cesurasean: please stop cross-posting between channels. |
| 20:44.16 | showe | how do rationalise my advice to be useless |
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| 20:48.39 | LemensTS | http://pastebin.com/cm1MsXz1 am I missing something on this tftp install? Its on Lenny, tried it on 2 different lenny box's but cant get outside computer to get or put |
| 20:49.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | devdvd, heh, the changelog is in /usr/share/doc/linux-image-2.6.26*/ ... but it only goes back to 2005 |
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| 20:50.53 | LemensTS | http://pastebin.com/zX2Zv81i i put the syslog of it at the bottom |
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| 20:51.26 | timw | LemensTS: netstat -lu are you listening on * or just localhost? |
| 20:52.15 | LemensTS | udp 0 0 *:tftp *:* |
| 20:52.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | obviously inetd gets it according to that log |
| 20:52.26 | LemensTS | Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address |
| 20:53.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | "serving file from /tftpboot" == succeeds |
| 20:53.19 | LemensTS | timw: so * |
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| 20:53.47 | LemensTS | Cutmeownthroat: yea it keeps looping that in the log, while the client is just sitting until it times out |
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| 20:54.00 | LemensTS | File never transfers |
| 20:54.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | andd that can't be from some earlier transfer? |
| 20:54.32 | LemensTS | CutMeOwnThraot: nope tail -f |
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| 20:54.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | so you see it appear... |
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| 20:55.23 | LemensTS | CutMeOwnThroat: yea it loops like every 1.5 seconds |
| 20:57.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, it seems tftpd-hpa is to be preferred... but of course any of them should work |
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| 20:58.57 | jhutchins_lt | LemensTS: What kind of tftp are you setting up? Install server? |
| 20:58.57 | LemensTS | CutMeOwnThroat: yea i seen that about tftpd-hpa also. Ill uninstall tftpd and try that one... |
| 20:59.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you were really trying to get the file "me"? |
| 20:59.12 | LemensTS | apt-get install tftpd |
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| 20:59.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it's there and world-readable? |
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| 20:59.22 | LemensTS | lol yea just a test file i made |
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| 21:00.21 | timw | LemensTS: you could try tcpdump udp port tftp & to see what it's actually sending |
| 21:00.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it's not being transferred and the client just stupidly hangs on afterwards? |
| 21:01.12 | LemensTS | yea it is there and even 777 |
| 21:01.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | behavior is different from localhost? |
| 21:02.09 | LemensTS | CutMeOwnThroat: localhost works |
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| 21:02.25 | LemensTS | i can copy "me" to other directories via tftp client |
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| 21:02.39 | timw | LemensTS: Is locahost using the same tftp client? |
| 21:02.42 | LemensTS | udp port 69 is open in the firewall |
| 21:02.55 | LemensTS | localhost is using linux tftp |
| 21:03.07 | jhutchins_lt | LemensTS: What kind of tftp are you setting up? Install server? |
| 21:03.16 | timw | & remote host? |
| 21:03.17 | LemensTS | my other computer is dos tftp. but id id try from a linux box tftp client |
| 21:03.36 | LemensTS | jhutchins: apt-get install tftpd (all i know...) |
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| 21:04.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, inetd picks up, hands it to tftpd and tftpd thinks it's serving the file... |
| 21:04.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | according to your log |
| 21:04.13 | LemensTS | the same tftp client that i tried on the localhost that worked... |
| 21:04.29 | jhutchins_lt | LemensTS: tftp is often used in PXE netboot environments. |
| 21:04.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | does that produce the same log entries and .... |
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| 21:05.17 | timw | LemensTS: what did you see in tcpdump? |
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| 21:07.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | what error does the linux tftp client give you |
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| 21:08.56 | LemensTS | timw: http://pastebin.com/xRHdbJN2 tcpdump |
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| 21:09.17 | LemensTS | CutMeOwnThroat: just timeout, even with verbose set |
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| 21:09.57 | LemensTS | it loops line 3 btw.... |
| 21:09.57 | timw | was that run on the server or the client |
| 21:10.03 | LemensTS | server |
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| 21:10.41 | JyZyXEL | warning, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 60719 package 'virtualbox-3.1': |
| 21:10.42 | tech | hey guys, before i reboot after this upgrade it stated lilo.conf has depreciated names boot=/dev/sda |
| 21:10.43 | JyZyXEL | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.45 | JyZyXEL | how do i fix this? |
| 21:10.49 | tech | should i change this to boot= "UUID=bc2d66a5-b475-4cde-89bc-2b88bb7245d7" |
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| 21:11.20 | tech | JyZyXEL: did you compile manually? |
| 21:12.00 | jhutchins_lt | JyZyXEL: Chances are you don't. |
| 21:12.05 | timw | LemensTS: So the server does not respond, at least not out of that interface. Does the server have other network interfaces? |
| 21:12.09 | jhutchins_lt | JyZyXEL: You can try updating your apt sources. |
| 21:12.30 | jhutchins_lt | JyZyXEL: Or switch mirrors, update, and try again. |
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| 21:13.32 | JyZyXEL | tech: no i installed SUN package |
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| 21:14.26 | JyZyXEL | i purged the packages giving that error but that didn't help |
| 21:14.45 | themill | JyZyXEL: you need to educate the vbox people about debian policy (version strings cannot contain underscores). |
| 21:15.08 | JyZyXEL | yeah im sure they have fixed it by now but what do i do now |
| 21:15.19 | themill | If you purge the package and remove their repo, an apt-get update should be enough |
| 21:15.37 | JyZyXEL | they don't even have a repo |
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| 21:15.53 | JyZyXEL | apt-get update doesn't help |
| 21:15.54 | themill | they do, but you're not using it I gather. |
| 21:15.57 | themill | !available |
| 21:15.57 | dpkg | run "dselect update" to restore /var/lib/dpkg/available, or if your 'available' file is corrupt, remove it first then see above. Alternatively: "apt-cache dumpavail > /var/lib/dpkg/available && dpkg --update-avail /var/lib/dpkg/available" |
| 21:15.58 | JyZyXEL | and the packages are purged |
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| 21:17.35 | JyZyXEL | ok that oneliner helped |
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| 21:22.21 | LemensTS | timw: only has 1 nic |
| 21:24.34 | timw | LemensTS: what sort of firewall? |
| 21:24.46 | LemensTS | shorewall. port 69 udp open |
| 21:25.08 | LemensTS | iptables on the tftp server |
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| 21:25.44 | LemensTS | its talking to it tho since it sees it trying i think |
| 21:26.59 | LemensTS | maybe it is a bug in tftpd on this version of lenny |
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| 21:27.30 | timw | LemensTS: it sees the request but does not seem to be able to tx, is 69 open both in and out? |
| 21:28.11 | tech | during apt-get upgrade i am getting: Since release 150, udev requires that support for the CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED |
| 21:28.14 | tech | feature is disabled in the running kernel. |
| 21:28.16 | tech | how can i resovle it? |
| 21:29.06 | LemensTS | timw: all is allowed out from the server, and udp 69 is allowed in. |
| 21:30.39 | Bushmills | second user with tftpd problems today |
| 21:31.12 | timw | LemensTS: Just tried on mine and I see the same tcpdump. Looks like it only uses 69 for the setup & then negotiates a different udp port pair for the data transfer |
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| 21:35.46 | timw | LemensTS: IIFC shorewall is iptables/netfilter under the hood, you might need to check the ip_conntrack_tftp module is in play unless you want to punch large udp holes in your firewall |
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| 21:36.46 | jaggz | I have multiple lines in my clipboard, how do I get those into one commandline? E.g. I have "A\nB\nC\nD\n" in the clipboard and I want to make for i in A B C D; do... |
| 21:37.28 | themill | jaggz: you don't need to transform that if you're just typing it at the prompt |
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| 21:37.57 | themill | jaggz: err... scratch that |
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| 21:39.53 | __cool__ | jaggz: maybe try for x in $(echo "<paste the stuff now>") ; do echo $x ; done or so |
| 21:41.08 | jaggz | that works, thanks. |
| 21:41.12 | jaggz | cool |
| 21:41.21 | __cool__ | jaggz: or use while read x ; do .... ; done <- easier |
| 21:41.35 | __cool__ | but then *everything* has to be on seperate lines... |
| 21:41.57 | jaggz | ah, right, thanks :) |
| 21:43.24 | __cool__ | jaggz: and in xterms there could be of use 'xclip -o | while ...' <- no manual pasting neccessary |
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| 21:45.26 | jaggz | hm.. I wonder what that's doing through an ssh session |
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| 21:47.59 | __cool__ | forwarding via ssh -X should use the local clipboard, else setting DISPLAY=:0.0 the remote one, if you have permissions and there is an X running :) |
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| 21:58.11 | tech | any one?? |
| 21:58.12 | tech | Since release 150, udev requires that support for the CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED |
| 21:58.12 | tech | feature is disabled in the running kernel. |
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| 21:58.26 | infinity0 | is it possible to get dash to display the working directory in PS1? |
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| 22:01.36 | themill | dpkg: tell tech about udev squeeze |
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| 22:04.10 | marius07_ | I am updating from old squeeze to newest squeeeeeze - and grub doe not start properly my new one - how can I update grub |
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| 22:13.05 | debstall | hi all, can anyone tell me which UUID should be in my grub config for luks? Is it the blkid for root luks partition or the unencrypted root fs blkid? |
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| 22:27.18 | evilgeek | seems like llvm-2.7-dev and vim both provide /usr/share/vim/vimcurrent. how do i work around this? |
| 22:27.36 | evilgeek | (i can't upgrade my vim withuot apt getting its knickers in a twist.) |
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| 22:29.35 | themill | evilgeek: which release of debian? |
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| 22:30.45 | evilgeek | themill: heh. release. |
| 22:31.05 | evilgeek | themill: pretty sure this is sid. (spare me the lecture; i'm just interested in how to resolve the conflict manually.) |
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| 22:32.00 | themill | evilgeek: that file is not in llvm-2.7-dev in sid. |
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| 22:32.42 | project2501b | http://www.youtube.com/user/journeymanpictures#p/c/1/gPl9PW7ONIQ |
| 22:32.50 | pobega | I realize this isn't Debian specific but I wonder if anyone knows a good program for diagramming circuits (Multiplexers and such) in Linux. I need to do it for class, and ASCII representation isn't working out 1;5Dtoo well. |
| 22:32.51 | evilgeek | the llvm package is llvm-2.7-dev 2.7-4. |
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| 22:33.45 | evilgeek | seems like /usr/share/vim/vimcurrent is a symlink to an appropriate vim directory. the llvm package contains a couple of syntax files inside it. |
| 22:33.47 | bzed | pobega: are you running debian? |
| 22:34.03 | bzed | pobega: if so, run: apt-cache searsch schematic |
| 22:34.18 | project2501b | http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/doa7b/i_am_greek_unfortunately/ |
| 22:34.41 | pobega | bzed: Thanks. I'm not running Debian on this machine, but I'll definitely look into it. |
| 22:34.52 | bzed | pobega: packages.debian.org might help then, too |
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| 22:35.20 | pobega | bzed: Yeah, I know, I just didn't even know what to search for. As I said this is for class, and I'm not really familiar with the nomenclature of the graphical representation |
| 22:35.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | it kind of comes natural to get debian-specific _answers_ in #debian, though :) |
| 22:35.26 | themill | evilgeek: that shouldn't stop the installation... can you pastebin the command and the entire error |
| 22:35.38 | evilgeek | themill: sure. |
| 22:36.21 | evilgeek | whoa, rafb.net is gone? |
| 22:36.35 | themill | some months (years?) ago, yes |
| 22:37.37 | evilgeek | http://pastebin.ca/1957217 |
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| 22:38.09 | evilgeek | (i tried dpkg-diverting /usr/share/vim/vimcurrent, too. no change.) |
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| 22:40.45 | NOMADICUS | Hello. I am running squeeze amd64 and having trouble getting dvd's to play. I have added the multimedia repo in the sources.list and I believe all the proper packages have been installed. When I try to view a dvd the output is squished and colors distorted. How do I correct this? |
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| 22:42.06 | waagbo | Hi! Anyone with knowledge about Xinerama and Metacity around here? I've got a 3 monitor xinerama setup with two ati cards. Everything works fine, but moving windows is very sluggish. Any suggestions? |
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| 22:47.19 | kingsley | What are the pros and cons of routing outbound mail through a so called "smarthost", as opposed to sending emails directly? |
| 22:48.26 | themill | evilgeek: /usr/share/vim/vimcurrent is currently a symlink to /usr/share/vim/vim7.2 on your box? |
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| 22:56.04 | themill | kingsley: unless you're running your own ISP or you are running a large mail hub, you probably should be running it as a smarthost that passes on the mail to your ISP. Mail originating from within IP blocks known to be "residential" is routinely blocked by your own ISP or by the recipient as it is highly likely to be spam. |
| 22:56.28 | evilgeek | themill: nearly. it points at vim72. |
| 22:57.36 | themill | evilgeek: err... yeah. That sounds sane. |
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| 22:57.54 | jhutchins_lt | evilgeek: I think that might be managed by the alternatives system, but in sid it's entirely possible to have two conflicting packages that depend on each other. |
| 22:58.53 | evilgeek | jhutchins_lt: i'm aware of the risks of running sid. all i'm trying to figure out is how to resolve this weird little conflict. |
| 22:59.23 | evilgeek | jhutchins_lt: the trouble is that llvm-2.7-dev seems to own the symlink /usr/share/vim/vimcurrent. |
| 22:59.52 | jhutchins_lt | So un-own it. |
| 23:00.20 | themill | evilgeek: no other packages are shipping files in that directory which perhaps indicates that llvm-2.7.dev is doing something it shouldn't. |
| 23:00.38 | evilgeek | themill: i agree. |
| 23:01.06 | evilgeek | themill: how do i get around it? =) |
| 23:01.20 | themill | evilgeek: (reportbug llvm-2.7-dev in the meantime) |
| 23:01.26 | evilgeek | (it's bad news to be putting stuff in directories that have a symlink part in general since the symlink can move.) |
| 23:01.30 | jhutchins_lt | kingsley: In most cases, a good ISP is going to have a better internet "reputation" and be blocked by fewer hosts. Some badly run hosts - many actually - block mail if reverse DNS doesn't match or if you're in a "dial-up" address block. |
| 23:02.04 | jhutchins_lt | evilgeek: Contact the dev and ask him why it's there. |
| 23:02.49 | jhutchins_lt | That certainly sounds like an out-and-out error, no reason for llvm to have anything to do with vim except as a configuration editor like visudo. |
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| 23:03.29 | themill | they're syntax highlighting definitions -- they should be under /usr/share/vim somewhere. |
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| 23:06.30 | evilgeek | jhutchins_lt: i agree. |
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| 23:06.48 | evilgeek | jhutchins_lt: but they should be in vim72 or something rather than vimcurrent. |
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| 23:07.13 | jaggz | is it okay practice to send visitor-to-visitor contacts out with "nohost.mysite.com" so I don't have to deal with their bounced messages? The emails are not automated, but sent out by hand by the visitor. |
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| 23:09.31 | themill | !btssmite evilgeek |
| 23:09.32 | dpkg | beats evilgeek around the head repeatedly with http://bugs.debian.org/ and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if evilgeek is running testing or unstable |
| 23:10.06 | evilgeek | i imagine all i can really do is make a hacked llvm-2.7-dev package and install it locally? there's no official debian workaround for this kind of braindamage? |
| 23:10.10 | evilgeek | heh. |
| 23:10.17 | evilgeek | i'm in the middle of doing the reportbug. |
| 23:10.29 | themill | evilgeek: "check the bts" is part of what you should do |
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| 23:11.00 | zimba12 | hi |
| 23:11.01 | themill | (there are already 4 copies of this bug in the bts, a 5th is unnecessary) |
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| 23:11.06 | zimba12 | does anyone use a Lemote machine |
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| 23:11.17 | evilgeek | that's fair. |
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| 23:14.12 | evilgeek | right, so there's a newer llvm-2.7-dev version. that fixes it. cool. |
| 23:15.34 | themill | indeed |
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| 23:19.45 | jhutchins_lt | I'll bet instead of going on IRC, somebody reported it to the bugtracker or the developer. |
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| 23:20.56 | Jef91 | I am trying to build something with checkinstall but it is throwing this error message - "dpkg-deb: parse error, in file '/var/tmp/tmp.tZtdRb9biy/package/DEBIAN/control' near line 3 package 'eina': field name `System' must be followed by colon" make install works fine, but I would like a .deb to be built. Any ideas? |
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| 23:28.57 | evilgeek | jhutchins_lt: indeed somebody did. |
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| 23:29.35 | evilgeek | jhutchins_lt: but my question wasn't "how do i make sure this eventually gets fixed" but rather 'how do i work around this for now until the fix comes out." |
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| 23:30.38 | themill | evilgeek: "stick with the known working packages and wait" is the usual approach. You can always repack the archive if you need to but that's icky. |
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| 23:31.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... "check the bts for a solution first" wasn't bad advice, was it? |
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| 23:31.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | specially as it turned out to be fixed |
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| 23:40.31 | jaggz | postfix is delivering remotely-originated mails properly to my virtual-mailbox folders, but locally-originated are going to local accounts... how do I control this aspect of postfix? |
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| 23:49.07 | SparFux | Hi all. What would be a good version number for my nouveau kernel? So far I use vmlinuz-2.6.36-rc7-nouveau.git-20101007 but I am thinking about changing that. |
| 23:49.28 | snover | Iâm having a problem with DNS resolutions on a server running squeeze. Occasionally, one of the nameservers listed in /etc/resolv.conf will return SERVFAIL, but instead of trying other nameservers (as per the resolv.conf man page), DNS resolution just fails. This has happened with sudo, svn, and curl, which I assume all use the same glibc calls. Does anyone have any suggestions as to what is going on? |
| 23:49.32 | SparFux | Perhaps to vmlinuz-2.6.36-rc7-nouveau.2010-10-07 |
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| 23:50.03 | snover | I donât have any local nameserver like bind or nscd or unbound installed. |
| 23:50.49 | snover | The only DNS-related packages on the system are dnsutils, libdns64, libdns66, and libldns1. |
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| 23:53.19 | Shambat | what is the easiest way to upgrade from etch to lenny? |
| 23:54.02 | Shambat | is there a good guide that you can recommend? found a lot on the web but they differ in complexity ... |
| 23:55.00 | koollman | Shambat: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.html |
| 23:55.54 | Shambat | koollman: thanks |
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