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| 00:06.33 | gizmore | how to install a php extension? |
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| 00:08.10 | bronaugh | so, I've discovered a bug in bash |
| 00:08.26 | bronaugh | if you enable globstar and actually use it, it leaks memory. |
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| 00:10.47 | [sr] | howdy people, i have a wierd problem |
| 00:11.04 | cusco | ai tens? |
| 00:11.05 | cusco | :) |
| 00:11.21 | [sr] | i have a linux under vmware, and the VMdisks are reconized by kernel, but i just can't mount/use it |
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| 00:11.42 | [sr] | it's something related to udev, it just doesn't create /dev/sdb or /dev/sda, BUT the machine boot's |
| 00:11.44 | [sr] | hi cusco |
| 00:12.23 | cusco | never used vmware, wouldn't know |
| 00:12.34 | [sr] | thats not really vmware related |
| 00:12.36 | [sr] | its udev |
| 00:12.45 | cusco | what is the guest os? |
| 00:12.52 | [sr] | debian! |
| 00:13.03 | cusco | and you run another linux inside vm? |
| 00:13.04 | cusco | lol |
| 00:13.14 | [sr] | no dude |
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| 00:13.22 | [sr] | vmware host is x32 |
| 00:13.24 | Myrth | hi, i have lots of cron.1234 files appearing in home folder.. is there a setting to disable this? |
| 00:13.26 | [sr] | w32 |
| 00:13.29 | cusco | ah |
| 00:13.35 | cusco | yes sorry, I meant the host hos |
| 00:13.55 | cusco | so while booting you can't mount root filesystem, right? |
| 00:13.56 | [sr] | but thats just an extra info |
| 00:14.14 | [sr] | it boots, but udev it's not creating the devices |
| 00:14.15 | gizmore | sry, but how do i install a php extension with debian? |
| 00:14.43 | cusco | php extension? |
| 00:14.44 | gizmore | ( i want to install php gpg/gnupg) |
| 00:14.53 | gizmore | php extension like xdebug |
| 00:15.00 | gizmore | or like gnupg |
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| 00:15.11 | gizmore | with pecl? |
| 00:15.18 | cusco | [sr]: do you actually get to bash prompt? |
| 00:15.30 | [sr] | it boot's |
| 00:15.45 | cusco | define boot... |
| 00:15.49 | cusco | where does it get you |
| 00:16.01 | [sr] | ham |
| 00:16.04 | [sr] | i get the login prompt |
| 00:16.28 | cusco | so, how is udev creating a problem? |
| 00:16.42 | [sr] | ex: /dev/sdb is recognized by kernel, but /dev/sdb doesn't exist |
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| 00:19.23 | snover | [sr]: what does cat /proc/scsi/scsi say? |
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| 00:20.07 | jaggz | what controls postfix's acceptance of connections on port 25? I can connect from the LAN but not outside it (publicly available IP addresses, not firewall) |
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| 00:20.39 | cusco | jaggz: perhaps the listen bit? try #postfix too |
| 00:21.37 | [sr] | snover: second |
| 00:23.14 | snover | gizmore: the same way you install anything, using apt |
| 00:23.31 | gizmore | snover: ya... |
| 00:23.44 | [sr] | snover: http://pastebin.com/VJm1ssN1 |
| 00:23.56 | gizmore | snover: is there a binary package for gnupg php extension? |
| 00:24.05 | [sr] | snover: i may found something else, the root filesystem seems to being monted as read-only |
| 00:24.28 | snover | gizmore: I donât know, ask apt-cache |
| 00:24.31 | gizmore | snover: i made pecl install gnupg return ERROR: make: unknown command ... so i need to install c/++ toolchain ? |
| 00:24.50 | gizmore | snover: i did aptitude search gnupg|gpg |
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| 00:25.11 | snover | install build-essential and php5-dev |
| 00:25.20 | snover | if you are going to compile something from pecl |
| 00:26.51 | gizmore | snover: thx |
| 00:27.03 | gizmore | i think there is no package for that in my debian |
| 00:27.11 | gizmore | so i need the essentials... thx ;) |
| 00:30.20 | [sr] | snover: idea? |
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| 00:30.46 | snover | [sr]: no, not really |
| 00:30.54 | snover | [sr]: does /var/log/syslog or dmesg say anything out of the ordinary? |
| 00:30.54 | cusco | [sr]: mount -o remount,rw / |
| 00:32.06 | cusco | gizmore: maybe you only needed the package php-crypt-gpg |
| 00:32.13 | [sr] | snover: not really |
| 00:32.18 | cusco | gizmore: what exactly are you trying to acomplish? |
| 00:32.38 | snover | [sr]: sorry, did you say which version of debian you are trying to use? |
| 00:32.42 | gizmore | cusco: does not seem to be available... my mission is to install php gnupg extension... i did it with pecl and build-essential now :) |
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| 00:33.14 | [sr] | snover: its an SID version, it had several years and it's updated constantly |
| 00:33.37 | snover | oh, well, it is called unstable for a reason⦠|
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| 00:34.07 | olskolirc | does debian kde use kde4 as in plasma? |
| 00:34.19 | [sr] | ya but.. |
| 00:34.36 | snover | olskolirc: yes |
| 00:34.48 | snover | [sr]: is udevd running? is udev installed? |
| 00:34.57 | [sr] | snover: yap |
| 00:35.05 | olskolirc | how would I install the plasma desktop snover ? with apt-get install kubuntu-desktop? |
| 00:35.53 | snover | olskolirc: if you are using ubuntu, which is not debian. |
| 00:37.14 | olskolirc | how would i install the kde plasma desktop snover ? |
| 00:37.24 | olskolirc | im coming back to debian but i like kde |
| 00:37.36 | snover | try installing the relevant kde4 packages⦠|
| 00:37.59 | olskolirc | ok snover |
| 00:38.01 | olskolirc | bbl |
| 00:38.17 | [sr] | snover: for example cat /proc/diskstats shows /dev/sdb |
| 00:38.30 | snover | and ls /dev/sd* shows no /dev/sdb? |
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| 00:39.09 | [sr] | snover: yap |
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| 00:39.17 | snover | ooooookay. |
| 00:39.43 | [sr] | thats odd. but the system says its monted on /dev/sda1 (the 1st disk) |
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| 01:09.05 | eskaypey | my /dev/dsp disappeared :/ any ideas? |
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| 02:15.42 | elik | I want to set a static dns server, but I still need dhcp to get my address from my modem. I set the dns server in resolv.conf, but it seems like dhcp always overwrite this file |
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| 02:17.37 | Rug | Howdy all, I just installed KDE on Debian squeeze (I haven't tried the full DE since 4.1). How do I change the 'Start Menu' style to something other then the 5-tab "Favorites-Applications-Computer" thing? |
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| 02:19.28 | ksx4system | any mips/cobalt users here? |
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| 02:21.15 | Hydroxide | ksx4system: I'll be very impressed if the answer turns out to be yes :) it's certainly on-topic here, but not a large user base. the mailing list is more likely to be helpful. |
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| 02:21.26 | Hydroxide | ksx4system: the debian-mips mailing list, I mean. |
| 02:22.02 | Hydroxide | ksx4system: see http://lists.debian.org/debian-mips/ to browse or search archives, to subscribe, or to see how to post. |
| 02:23.51 | ksx4system | Hydroxide: ordered one of this kind machines on the net (Cobalt Raq 2), unfortunately there's not much OSes to run on it... NetBSD (aargh! why not OpenBSD?!) and Debian (ok, I like it and run it on my Pentium 2 laptop) |
| 02:24.05 | ksx4system | Hydroxide: however, thanks for link :) |
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| 02:25.53 | Hydroxide | ksx4system: you're welcome :) I expect you will probably be able to get some assistance there. you can also check http://www.debian.org/ports/mips/ and the mips version of the official installer guide (linked from http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual along with all other architectures) |
| 02:26.31 | Hydroxide | ksx4system: as for why not OpenBSD, it's most likely simply due to the fact that NetBSD focuses on portability and OpenBSD focuses on security, though of course both pay some attention to both. |
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| 02:28.34 | Hydroxide | ksx4system: err, you want the mipsel (little-endian) version of the install guide, so choose the right install manual link or go straight to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/mipsel/ . The other links apply to both endiannesses. |
| 02:29.23 | Hydroxide | ksx4system: the debian mips port page mentions this cobalt-specific bit: http://cyrius.com/debian/cobalt/ |
| 02:29.26 | Hydroxide | good luck! |
| 02:30.10 | Moult | for an absolute beginner to gentoo, they have the gentoo handbook which teaches them everything, from how to use the package manager et al. is debian's "Debian Reference" the equivalent or have I missed something on the documentations page? |
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| 02:32.00 | elik | How can I set a static dns? |
| 02:32.07 | Hydroxide | Moult: it looks like it's probably the closest thing, though it appears to be more written as a reference (hence the name) than a tutorial meant to be read cover-to-cover. I haven't looked through it to see how up-to-date or accurate it is, but it was last revised in 2010, so it's worth looking at if you want a document like that |
| 02:34.05 | Hydroxide | elik: edit /etc/resolv.conf - read the resolv.conf man page for the syntax. if you're using dhcp, there's probably one or two more wrinkles to prevent dhcp from overriding it. |
| 02:34.37 | elik | Hydroxide, those are precisely the wrinkles I'm looking for |
| 02:34.55 | Moult | thanks, but is there another document I may have overlooked? I think the main priority when faced with a new distro is to learn the package manager. What other things would also be of high priority? |
| 02:35.31 | elik | are they described in the man page? |
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| 02:39.06 | Hydroxide | elik: in that case, see /etc/dhcp/dhclient.confand/ or the dhclient.conf man page |
| 02:39.44 | elik | Hydroxide, thank you very much |
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| 02:43.56 | Hydroxide | elik: np. there seem to be other ways too, but I'll leave it at that :) |
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| 02:46.59 | elik | Hydroxide, it seems to me like the perfect way to set it |
| 02:47.11 | elik | Hydroxide, what other way would you see... I like to know everything :) |
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| 02:48.15 | man_in_irssi | waves |
| 02:48.41 | man_in_irssi | anyone else having speed issues with ftp.debian.org or ftp.au.debian.org? |
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| 02:49.43 | Xenguy | man_in_irssi: the first seems slow to respond sometimes to me |
| 02:50.24 | man_in_irssi | hm |
| 02:50.25 | Xenguy | nothing insurmountable though |
| 02:50.30 | man_in_irssi | problem seems to be with my apt-cacher |
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| 02:50.45 | man_in_irssi | Xenguy: i was getting <10KB/s on an adsl2 connection |
| 02:53.14 | Xenguy | hrm |
| 02:53.42 | Xenguy | seems unlikely that is a debian domain bandwidth problem, wouldn't you think? |
| 02:54.30 | Hydroxide | elik: you could read the dhclient-script man page or install resolvconf, as other methods |
| 02:54.39 | Hydroxide | elik: but I think I like the answer I gave you best :) |
| 02:54.55 | Moult | Hydroxide: any other top priorities other than learning the package manager when new to debian? |
| 02:56.11 | Hydroxide | Moult: knowing how to get answers - especially /usr/share/doc/<packagename>/*.Debian*, dpkg -L <packagename>, man pages, http://bugs.debian.org/<packagename> (to see if a bug is known, maybe with a workaround), #debian of course, debian-user@lists.debian.org if you want a mailing list, etc |
| 02:56.46 | Moult | nice - does debian come with a coloured terminal? |
| 02:57.10 | jhutchins_lt | Moult: Debian is linux. |
| 02:57.36 | jhutchins_lt | Moult: If you want a coloured terminal, you can enable it. By default it's a bit conservative. |
| 02:57.50 | Moult | ah ok thanks :) |
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| 02:58.28 | jhutchins_lt | Moult: Main theme in Debian is "works by default". |
| 02:58.42 | jhutchins_lt | Moult: So, extra features that might cause problems tend to be optional. |
| 02:58.43 | elik_ | Hydroxide, thanx, I'll investigate those options too |
| 02:59.22 | Moult | conservative distro, eh |
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| 03:01.14 | Moult | what's the difference between dpkg and apt-get? is it just that dpkg handles deb files directly and apt-get handles specifically made wrappers around deb files? if so, which should i try and use most of the time? (aptitude as far as i can see is simply an interface for apt-get & friends) |
| 03:02.06 | Xenguy | Moult: I thought apt-get was a front-end for dpkg ? |
| 03:02.39 | Hydroxide | jhutchins_lt, Moult: Debian has colored terminals by default in X, in many setups |
| 03:02.40 | Xenguy | Moult: for a long time everyone was crowing aptitude, now they're not so sure it shouldn't be apt-get again ;-) |
| 03:03.12 | Moult | Xenguy: i don't think so (although i'm very new to debian), otherwise apt-get could handle raw deb files directly |
| 03:03.15 | Hydroxide | jhutchins_lt, Xenguy, Moult: not quite. dpkg is the lower-level package manager, operating on individual .deb files, like rpm in the Red Hat world |
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| 03:03.38 | Hydroxide | APT is a library which handles the dependencies and repositories and such, used by both apt-get and aptitude and all other APT frontends |
| 03:03.58 | Xenguy | Moult: think 'front-end' |
| 03:04.23 | Hydroxide | apt-get and aptitude are both widely used; aptitude has more sophisticated dependency resolution, but there are a few features that only apt-get has (and many that only aptitude has). the release notes and many users like me recommend aptitude for most purposes, but apt-get still has lots of fans |
| 03:04.32 | Xenguy | oops, timing, biab |
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| 03:04.47 | Hydroxide | other options like synaptic (a GTK-based graphical program) rae also used |
| 03:04.49 | Hydroxide | *are |
| 03:05.14 | Hydroxide | Moult: does that explain it? |
| 03:05.44 | jhutchins_lt | passes a fine malt beverage to Hydroxide for getting rpm vs dpkg right. |
| 03:05.47 | Hydroxide | Moult: so, in Red Hat / Fedora terms, all of the APT frontends are analogous to yum or up2date (or even the RPM-based port of APT). dpkg is the analogue of RPM. |
| 03:05.52 | Hydroxide | err, of rpm |
| 03:05.59 | Moult | Hydroxide: sort of, so dpkg doesn't resolve dependencies? |
| 03:06.13 | Hydroxide | Moult: it checks dependencies, but it'll just throw an error if they're not met, like rpm does |
| 03:06.26 | Hydroxide | jhutchins_lt: having uploaded enough into the archive, and built more than that, I'd hope so :) |
| 03:06.36 | Moult | Hydroxide: whereas apt-get seeks to install them too? |
| 03:06.37 | jhutchins_lt | Which is what rpm does. |
| 03:06.39 | Hydroxide | Moult: yep |
| 03:07.03 | Hydroxide | nods at jhutchins_lt |
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| 03:07.14 | jhutchins_lt | aptitude does a more thorough job of investigating the relationships between pendending dependencies and installed files. |
| 03:07.35 | Moult | Hydroxide: also, i thought aptitude was just a ncurses wrapper around apt-get...but you say it improves on dependency handling? |
| 03:07.44 | Hydroxide | jhutchins_lt: aptitude's primary author did (I think) his masters thesis on package dependency resolution :) |
| 03:07.45 | jhutchins_lt | More likely to figure out dependencies, also more likely to remove and reinstall all of gnome to fix a single file. |
| 03:08.06 | Moult | jhutchins_lt: lol |
| 03:08.15 | jhutchins_lt | Moult: Not a wrapper. |
| 03:08.36 | Hydroxide | Moult: no, apt-get and aptitude are both frontends to APT. however, yes, aptitude adds lots of additional logic and features, like the ncurses UI (it still offers a CLI version) and more search features and even a minesweeper easter egg |
| 03:08.48 | Hydroxide | ok, not exactly an easter egg - it's documented and in the ncurses menu :) |
| 03:09.12 | tsccof | debian rules, I am so much happier now |
| 03:09.14 | Hydroxide | (there is an easter egg though.) I generally use aptitude for all purposes instead of apt-get myself |
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| 03:09.39 | Hydroxide | occasionally I'll also use apt-cache to search through the archive or see what versions are available in different repositories, but aptitude can do all of that too - it's just habit |
| 03:10.19 | Moult | so, which should I try to use most often? dpkg, apt-get, or aptitude? (no X on this server, so no GUI tools) |
| 03:10.44 | Hydroxide | Moult: you'll only use dpkg if you're working directly with an actual .deb file |
| 03:10.46 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg is useful for different tasks than aptitude or apt-get. |
| 03:10.46 | dpkg | jhutchins_lt: wish i knew |
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| 03:10.56 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg: good bot. |
| 03:10.56 | dpkg | jhutchins_lt: aw, gee |
| 03:11.24 | Moult | Hydroxide: and if not...apt-get or aptitude? |
| 03:11.31 | jhutchins_lt | aptitude comes closest to the rpm systems in being able to track the status of installed packages. |
| 03:11.36 | Hydroxide | Moult: otherwise, your choice of aptitude and apt-get; try aptitude in line with the more common preference and the release notes, since it is more "sophisticated", but feel free to use either the CLI or the ncurses UI |
| 03:11.56 | Hydroxide | Moult: and if you end up preferring apt-get, that works too. |
| 03:12.02 | Moult | which is more popular? |
| 03:12.15 | jhutchins_lt | We will eschew synaptic as moot and unnecessary, but occasionally useful as a search tool. |
| 03:12.38 | jhutchins_lt | Moult: Are redheads more popular than blondes? |
| 03:12.43 | Hydroxide | Moult: probably aptitude currently, but I don't have stats. in upgrades between major releases (e.g. 5.0 lenny to the upcoming 6.0 squeeze), do whatever's specified in the release notes, whichever you normally use |
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| 03:12.58 | Hydroxide | Moult: otherwise, use whichever you want |
| 03:13.08 | Moult | awesome, thanks |
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| 03:13.17 | Hydroxide | jhutchins_lt: bigger reason we'll eschew synaptic is he's on a server without X :) |
| 03:13.33 | jhutchins_lt | Hydroxide: An additonal good reason. |
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| 03:24.07 | NOMADICUS | ello, I am trying to install fglrx using this howto: < http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary >. When I issue the command "# invoke-rc.d gdm stop", the output message: "invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/gdm not found". How do I correct this? |
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| 03:26.43 | comradekingu | NOMADICUS: maybe you arent running gdm? |
| 03:28.03 | NOMADICUS | comradekingu: I think I am running gdm3. |
| 03:29.44 | karlpinc | NOMADICUS: FWIW, see below: |
| 03:29.49 | karlpinc | !binary-only drivers |
| 03:29.49 | dpkg | it has been said that binary-only drivers is another name for <proprietary drivers>. There is a reason why people say "Use binary-only drivers, hate life." They make Linux less secure, less stable, and less flexible. See http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/publications/kernel-driver-statement |
| 03:30.13 | comradekingu | NOMADICUS: sudo service gdm3 stop ? |
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| 03:30.53 | NOMADICUS | comradekingu: I think that will be the proper maneuver, I'm going to try it. |
| 03:31.04 | comradekingu | NOMADICUS: If you card isnt evergreen, (newer HD5*** series) i suggest you try radeon or radeonhd |
| 03:31.08 | comradekingu | Or look into it |
| 03:31.30 | comradekingu | NOMADICUS: http://www.x.org/wiki/radeonhd |
| 03:31.35 | NOMADICUS | comradekingu: What is evergreen, and how do I find out? |
| 03:31.50 | comradekingu | Evergreen is the latest series from AMD/ATI |
| 03:31.56 | comradekingu | What is your graphics card called? |
| 03:32.30 | comradekingu | http://www.x.org/wiki/radeonhd%3Afeature |
| 03:32.53 | NOMADICUS | comradekingu: I am on an amd64 platform, does that make a difference? |
| 03:33.32 | sonuloveu | Hi, I am not able to install any of ftp program |
| 03:33.45 | comradekingu | NOMADICUS: lspci | grep ATI |
| 03:33.53 | sonuloveu | I am getting this error : http://pastebin.com/Xw5wMBiT |
| 03:34.14 | nasofe | Anyone use blktrace in a custom kernel? |
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| 03:34.53 | nasofe | The PDF said "and navigate through Device Drivers and Block devices and then down to |
| 03:34.53 | nasofe | Support for tracing block io actions and hit Y." |
| 03:35.25 | nasofe | But I can not find it in the 2.6.33.6 kernel |
| 03:35.36 | Moult | how do i check if i've already got a package installed? |
| 03:35.42 | NOMADICUS | THIS IS FUN! |
| 03:36.18 | NOMADICUS | So much more involved than micro$oft. |
| 03:36.23 | comradekingu | sonuloveu: dpkg-reconfigure locales ? |
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| 03:37.48 | sonuloveu | comradekingu, I did it but that didn't help |
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| 03:37.58 | NOMADICUS | Can I turn off gdm3 and still be logged into a desktop without causing problems? |
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| 03:39.43 | Rusty1 | Moult: apt-cache policy <packagename> in a terminal |
| 03:39.55 | sweetpi | NOMADICUS: if your asking if you can stop gdm and not be kicked out, no |
| 03:40.34 | comradekingu | apt-cache -i search <pacakgename> maybe |
| 03:41.30 | Moult | Rusty1: thanks :) how about a list of installed packages (direct packages, not their dependencies)? |
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| 03:42.16 | NOMADICUS | sweetpi: Sure, I understand. |
| 03:44.50 | karlpinc | Moult: aptitude search '~i!~M' |
| 03:45.37 | Moult | ugly ;) |
| 03:45.49 | stew | i don't know why he made ~M mean "automatic" and !~M mean "manual", seems backwards |
| 03:45.51 | karlpinc | Moult: Aptitude is ugly, but works well. |
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| 03:47.59 | dondelelcaro | stew: probably from "marked as automatically installed" |
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| 03:48.13 | stew | ahh, perhaps |
| 03:48.23 | dondelelcaro | (though I never asked) |
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| 03:50.51 | Rusty1 | apt-cache pkgnames ? |
| 03:51.28 | sonuloveu | in night I installed my magento application using ssh and now in morning when I am trying to connect to the ssh , it is not allowing me to connect , saying Server unexpectdly close the connection |
| 03:51.52 | NOMADICUS | What is a command line way to list usb drives that are not mounted? |
| 03:52.41 | Rusty1 | lsusb |
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| 03:54.21 | NOMADICUS | Rusty1: how do I get it to list the device like: "/dev/sdi"? |
| 03:55.03 | Rusty1 | try fdisk -l |
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| 03:56.45 | Moult | doing apt-get upgrade says there were 3 packages held back (bind + friends), `aptitude why bind9` says unable to find a reason to install. why were they held back? |
| 03:57.07 | tharkun | Good `time -u` what does this mean "W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/binary-amd64/Packages.bz2 Hash Sum mismatch" Is it on my end or is it on the servers end. And how to debug it ? |
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| 03:57.30 | olskolirc | lenny is stable? |
| 03:57.37 | karlpinc | olskolirc: Yes. |
| 03:57.56 | NOMADICUS | Rusty1: sfdisk -l works also. Thank's! |
| 03:57.57 | karlpinc | Moult: Done an update recently? See also: /msg dpkg why aptitude |
| 03:58.02 | olskolirc | does it have /media/cdrom of does cdrom point to /dev/sr0? thats what I DONT want |
| 03:58.11 | Moult | karlpinc: yes, i recently did `apt-get update` |
| 03:58.29 | tharkun | Moult: apt-cache policy bind9 |
| 03:58.52 | Moult | tharkun: explanation behind the solution? |
| 03:58.58 | karlpinc | !tell Molt about aptitude why |
| 03:59.19 | Moult | !tell Moult about aptitude why |
| 03:59.20 | tharkun | Moult: that line will tell you what is the bind9 status |
| 03:59.55 | tharkun | !tell Moult about selftell |
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| 04:00.19 | Moult | tharkun: ah :) |
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| 04:00.46 | Moult | tharkun: yes, but it doesn't tell me why it was held back? |
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| 04:01.12 | karlpinc | Moult: Is it on hold? Try using aptitude, it does better conflict resolution. |
| 04:01.25 | Moult | karlpinc: how do i know if it's on hold? |
| 04:02.26 | karlpinc | Moult: I always do "aptitude search packagename" and look for the little 'h'. |
| 04:03.12 | Moult | karlpinc: no, there is a 'i' |
| 04:03.59 | karlpinc | Moult: What version of debian? |
| 04:04.23 | Moult | 5, lenny |
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| 04:04.41 | karlpinc | Moult: What happens if you try "aptitude safe-upgrade"? |
| 04:05.07 | Moult | karlpinc: seems to resolve it - but why? |
| 04:05.14 | karlpinc | !why aptitude |
| 04:05.15 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). |
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| 04:05.43 | tharkun | Moult: aptitude install full-upgrade bind9 will fix your isue, but apt-cache policy will show you how things are are at this momment |
| 04:05.57 | nsadmin | apt-get was originally just a test for the apt libs |
| 04:06.28 | tharkun | old dog learning new tricks ;P |
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| 04:06.45 | Moult | ahh |
| 04:07.11 | karlpinc | Moult: If you want to know why, use aptitude why or aptitude why-not. |
| 04:07.13 | tharkun | Moult: aptitude full-upgrade bind9 is the right command |
| 04:07.44 | Moult | karlpinc: i tried that originally, didn't help it said it couldn't find a reason |
| 04:07.47 | Moult | tharkun: thanks :) |
| 04:08.48 | karlpinc | Moult: I guess apt-cache has more why mojo. |
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| 04:09.34 | karlpinc | tharkun: It's only the right command if something's broken-ish. It's good to know what the problem is before getting out the hammer.... |
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| 04:11.20 | tharkun | karlpinc: Sometimes aptitude decides that some package will not be updated. No reason whatsoever, then you need the hammer right away |
| 04:12.52 | karlpinc | tharkun: Ok. Never happened to me. Sounds like there's either non-debian stuff installed or it's a case for a bug report -- against <something>. |
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| 04:17.58 | tharkun | karlpinc: most of the times it is apt-lib problem. Hard to reproduce since you since the state you are previous to the change is also hard to reproduce |
| 04:18.12 | tharkun | But that is beyond the point at this momment |
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| 04:26.34 | NOMADICUS | How do I capture a log of the boot messages? |
| 04:26.49 | NOMADICUS | And the shutdown messages? |
| 04:27.58 | comradekingu | /var/log/X whatever |
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| 04:30.42 | Xenguy | NOMADICUS: dmesg for boot messages |
| 04:31.22 | NOMADICUS | Xenguy: Do I put that in the grub menu? |
| 04:31.34 | Xenguy | NOMADICUS: no |
| 04:31.53 | Xenguy | NOMADICUS: dmesg at the command line |
| 04:31.59 | Xenguy | and see the output |
| 04:32.16 | NOMADICUS | Xenguy: I am not sure then, what you mean. Does the boot make a log by default? |
| 04:32.30 | Xenguy | NOMADICUS: yes |
| 04:32.53 | NOMADICUS | Xenguy: Ok, I understand now. Thanks! |
| 04:32.58 | Xenguy | why they call it dmesg I don't know |
| 04:33.01 | Xenguy | yw |
| 04:33.18 | NOMADICUS | Xenguy: Is the log rewritten everytime the boot happens? |
| 04:33.26 | Xenguy | NOMADICUS: I think so |
| 04:33.33 | NOMADICUS | And what about shutdown? is there a log for that? |
| 04:33.54 | Xenguy | NOMADICUS: probably just /var/log/ somewhere ? |
| 04:34.05 | Xenguy | NOMADICUS: messages or syslog ? |
| 04:34.22 | NOMADICUS | I want to start an arkive of logs of the shutdown and start. |
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| 04:34.44 | NOMADICUS | That would probably entail some scripting. |
| 04:35.16 | NOMADICUS | Maybe, I'll hold off on that, unless there is something out there that someone already made that does this. |
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| 04:35.47 | Xenguy | NOMADICUS: maybe (not aware of any tool that does that automatically, including shutdown |
| 04:35.52 | Xenguy | ) |
| 04:36.42 | NOMADICUS | I want to turn my startup and shut down logs into screensavers. |
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| 04:37.06 | Xenguy | have fun :-) |
| 04:38.14 | NOMADICUS | ... and or embed them into the desktop and have them constantly scroll as backgrounds. |
| 04:38.43 | NOMADICUS | Definatly going to be fun! |
| 04:38.58 | Moult | when i ssh into this system, why doesn't it source /etc/profile and /etc/bash.bashrc? |
| 04:42.47 | Xenguy | Moult: maybe it sources ~/.bashrc etc. locally ? |
| 04:43.18 | Moult | Xenguy: yes, but the problem with that is that it's a per-user thing. i want all user's shells to source the /etc/profile+bashrc files |
| 04:43.54 | Xenguy | Moult: I believe they will if there's no ~/.bashrc and ~/.bash_profile present ? |
| 04:44.24 | Xenguy | Moult: else cp /etc/profile to each user's local config? |
| 04:44.27 | Moult | Xenguy: i thought bashrc overrides in _addition_ to anything from /etc/bash.bashrc, not completely |
| 04:44.41 | Moult | cp'ing is a hack, i'd like to know the root cause |
| 04:45.06 | Xenguy | Moult: I'm not sure, but I think local config files take precedence completely |
| 04:45.29 | Xenguy | Moult: the root cause is that is the default behaviour AFAICT |
| 04:45.53 | Xenguy | Moult: user gets to customize their own ~/.bashrc etc. |
| 04:46.09 | Moult | Xenguy: ah, it seems you may be right, in terms of the /etc/profile, but it still doesn't source /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 04:46.34 | Xenguy | Moult: I'm not even aware of /etc/bash.bashrc to be honest |
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| 04:47.35 | Xenguy | Moult: says it's supposed to be sourced through /etc/profile ? |
| 04:47.53 | Moult | Xenguy: what does? |
| 04:48.14 | Xenguy | Moult: says /etc/bash.bashrc is supposed to be sourced through /etc/profile ? |
| 04:48.32 | Xenguy | Moult: says that in /etc/bash.bashrc file comments here |
| 04:49.10 | Xenguy | Moult: anyway, I honestly never heard of /etc/bash.bashrc before now :-) |
| 04:49.34 | Moult | Xenguy: it's dead useful for making a pretty prompt, ever used gentoo's prompt? |
| 04:50.10 | Xenguy | Moult: I've used the same 'cwd' PS1 forever ;-) |
| 04:50.35 | Moult | Xenguy: colourful? |
| 04:50.46 | Xenguy | nah, I don't want that |
| 04:51.02 | Moult | Xenguy: care to give it a shot? i'll pastebin the configs for you |
| 04:51.30 | Xenguy | Moult: thanks, but honestly I have no interest in over-complicating anything -- simple is best for me |
| 04:52.08 | tharkun | Moult: man adduser and search for SKEL |
| 04:52.42 | Moult | tharkun: niiiice |
| 04:53.13 | tharkun | Moult: there is a thousand ways to skin a cat |
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| 05:16.24 | zdc | Friends, who know how to remember the next gnome window size and position of, ah, no way it will not, fluxbox has this feature |
| 05:20.30 | nsadmin | run fluxbox if it does what you want |
| 05:22.21 | zdc | nsadmin: kde ä¹å¯ä»¥ |
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| 05:23.46 | zdc | nsadmin: kde can |
| 05:24.00 | nsadmin | run kde then... |
| 05:24.59 | zdc | gnome used to be able |
| 05:25.10 | nsadmin | I'm not even sure yet what you perceive to be the problem... only that two things you're not presently running do it |
| 05:25.50 | nsadmin | you're aware that gnome is not a window manager, but uses one which could be of your choice |
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| 06:52.54 | sunson | sudo apt-get -o Dir::Etc::SourceList=/etc/apt/sources.list.d/myrepo.list update |
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| 06:53.20 | sunson | does not update only the said repo. but seems to ignore -o option. |
| 06:53.33 | sunson | like if the file doesn't even exist, it happily continues to work. what am I doing wrong with apt-get here? |
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| 07:00.45 | Vasistha | Networking trouble: after connecting to a wired or wireless network, I can ping the router, but I can't get past it, e.g. I can't ping the DNS servers that the router gave me via dhcp |
| 07:01.31 | Vasistha | ... and other computers on the network have no trouble at all accessing the internet. The message I get is the one that's like "no connection" |
| 07:01.35 | project2501a | Vasistha: the router, if it is something made for home usage, should be acting as a caching dns server |
| 07:01.46 | project2501a | is it? did you check it? |
| 07:02.08 | project2501a | elsewise check your dhcp options |
| 07:02.28 | Vasistha | project2501a: well, one is a home router, another is more industrial, able to handle 100 simultaneous connections (and is has...) |
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| 07:02.52 | project2501a | Vasistha: check the dhcp options of the router |
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| 07:02.53 | Vasistha | project2501a: I've tried both static and dynamic connections. One of the networks... used to work fine |
| 07:03.05 | project2501a | maybe it is not passing the correct dns settings |
| 07:03.24 | Vasistha | project2501a: but my own kernel is not even making an attempt |
| 07:03.44 | Vasistha | project2501a: I get the message "no network connection" -- it doesn't even attempt to look up an address. |
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| 07:03.55 | project2501a | um, is the interface up? |
| 07:04.08 | Vasistha | project2501a: well, yeah. I can ping the router |
| 07:04.15 | project2501a | routing table? |
| 07:04.32 | Vasistha | project2501a: I checked that, there was just the one listing... I wish I still had it cached, but I restarted the computer :-( |
| 07:05.03 | Vasistha | project2501a: hum, I wonder ... if there was no "default" listing on the routing table. |
| 07:05.03 | project2501a | does it work now? |
| 07:05.12 | project2501a | sounds like it |
| 07:05.16 | Vasistha | project2501a: I'm on my home network now. The other networks are miles away |
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| 07:05.27 | project2501a | also check to see the entries in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 07:05.29 | Vasistha | project2501a: so ... maybe I need to manually add an entry to the routing table? |
| 07:05.54 | Vasistha | project2501a: checked resolv.conf, it was fine. I've been using maradns, which is great-- when it works! |
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| 07:06.06 | project2501a | wtf is maradns? |
| 07:06.09 | project2501a | holy crap |
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| 07:06.28 | Vasistha | project2501a: it's my own little local dns server, because the cable company's dns server sucks ass. |
| 07:07.12 | Vasistha | project2501a: anyway... yeah, I'm suspicious now about the routing table, because I don't think I saw a Destination default listing. IIRC there was only one line, and it was Destination 192.168.1.1 or whatever |
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| 07:07.39 | Vasistha | at least it works at home... yipe, to imagine what a fix I'd be in if it didn't work here |
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| 07:11.21 | project2501a | on that note better get ready for karate class |
| 07:12.07 | Vasistha | enjoy, and thanks for your help. I guess I'd better look up a howto on "route" |
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| 07:18.12 | Polysics | hello |
| 07:18.34 | Vasistha | !ask |
| 07:18.35 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 07:18.44 | Polysics | i was just being polite :-) |
| 07:18.58 | Polysics | anyone has experience with running shell scripts off the webserveR? |
| 07:19.08 | Polysics | i am havign many permission and package issues with ruby scripts |
| 07:19.23 | Polysics | and was wondering if anyone has a system-wide RVM install |
| 07:19.30 | Polysics | and if that works ofr all users |
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| 07:21.05 | jpinx-eeepc | !ruby |
| 07:21.06 | dpkg | somebody said ruby was a pure object oriented script language with a simple and clean syntax. It's supposed to have the best characteristics of Perl and Smalltalk. Learn about it at http://www.ruby-lang.org . a language that seems like a messy (Perlish) Python, or at http://www.rubycentral.com, or http://www.poignantguide.net/ruby/, or #ruby-lang |
| 07:21.17 | pluesch0r | hey everybody. is it somehow possible to define package or service dependencies for apt? i'd like apt to automatically restart depending services in the post install or whatever when installing, for example, a new version of postgres .. |
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| 07:21.41 | jpinx-eeepc | pluesch0r: I believe it does that by default |
| 07:21.54 | pluesch0r | jpinx-eeepc: nope. not over here, at least. |
| 07:22.10 | jpinx-eeepc | where's that? What release? |
| 07:22.27 | pluesch0r | stable. |
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| 07:22.36 | pluesch0r | i'd like it to restart dovecot and postfix. |
| 07:22.42 | Vasistha | pluesch0r: are you saying that if e.g. blueberry depends on halifax, then if halifax gets updated then blueberry would get restarted after halifax gets restarted? |
| 07:22.43 | pluesch0r | .. and maybe amavis as well. |
| 07:22.55 | pluesch0r | Vasistha: yes, that's what i'd like to see. |
| 07:23.09 | ttiicc | first time I installed openldap from aptitude it prompet me for a password, and I just wondered what that password was for? does anyone in here now? |
| 07:23.33 | jpinx-eeepc | !openldap |
| 07:23.33 | dpkg | OpenLDAP is an open source implementation of <LDAP>. The OpenLDAP server is packaged for Debian in the slapd package. Frequently Asked Questions: http://www.openldap.org/faq/ . http://wiki.debian.org/LDAP/OpenLDAPSetup http://www.openldap.org/ #openldap on irc.freenode.net. |
| 07:23.55 | jpinx-eeepc | ttiicc: there's your faq's ;) |
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| 07:24.08 | pluesch0r | now .. since not everybody uses postfix with postgresql, it shouldn't be restartet automatically. but in a configurable manner, imho. |
| 07:24.31 | pluesch0r | of course, i could tell the support guys to just restart the whole box, but that's not really what i want. |
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| 07:26.21 | peterrooney | pluesch0r: true. seems a very non-debian approach to updating. |
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| 07:26.50 | pluesch0r | peterrooney: yeah well .. that's why installing a postgres update does _not_ restart postfix and thelike. |
| 07:26.54 | Polysics | hmm |
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| 07:27.02 | Polysics | how do i give www-data user a profile? |
| 07:27.08 | Polysics | .bash_profile |
| 07:27.17 | Polysics | he doesn't havea home directoryu :-) |
| 07:27.20 | pluesch0r | Polysics: put it in its home directory? |
| 07:27.25 | pluesch0r | Polysics: create a home directory? |
| 07:27.32 | Polysics | sounds sensible |
| 07:27.36 | Polysics | will try |
| 07:27.53 | sunson | never mind. figured. |
| 07:27.54 | pluesch0r | or change the login shell for it to /bin/bash and have it use the default one. |
| 07:28.17 | pluesch0r | or implement some switch in the default one if you don't want to create a home directory for it. |
| 07:28.39 | Polysics | my problem is running a command from PHP as a different user/in the correct environment |
| 07:28.50 | Polysics | is the default one /etc/profile? |
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| 07:30.29 | Polysics | i think i will just install ruby from scratch :-) |
| 07:30.33 | Polysics | that should work |
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| 07:30.59 | Andyman | Does anyone know how I can configure a network interface to come up at boot without an IP address? I am looking for the right config to put in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 07:31.17 | philthno2 | Hi, I have installed Debian on a flash card, made it "read-only" on the CF card with temporary writes to the RAM with aufs. Runs great. But when I plug the CF card to another board with the same hardware, I get trouble with the network interface. So I assume that during my setup there has been stored something that is unique for the original board, e.g. the MAC address which now causes trouble. Has anyone an idea where this may be? |
| 07:31.18 | pluesch0r | Polysics: depends on your system. |
| 07:31.25 | jargon- | Andyman: u want it to get it's IP from dhcp? |
| 07:31.26 | pluesch0r | Polysics: you could always prepend the PATH .. |
| 07:31.39 | Andyman | jargon-: no, I want it to have no IP address |
| 07:31.41 | Polysics | pluesch0r: to be totally honest, i can't even understand where the problem lies |
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| 07:32.00 | Polysics | if it is a Ruby, permission, RVM, Apache, PHP problem :-) |
| 07:32.04 | Andyman | jargon-: It should just be up, but unconfigured. |
| 07:32.07 | Polysics | i forgot Bundler |
| 07:32.10 | Polysics | :-) |
| 07:32.30 | pluesch0r | Polysics: what user are you running the rails app under? |
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| 07:32.39 | pluesch0r | Polysics: over here, i do it this way: |
| 07:32.39 | Polysics | not a Rails app |
| 07:32.44 | pluesch0r | whatever ruby app. |
| 07:32.56 | pluesch0r | are you using passenger with it? |
| 07:33.00 | Polysics | the script is an indexer built with anemone, running as user luca |
| 07:33.06 | Polysics | tehre is no web part to it |
| 07:33.08 | pluesch0r | ok |
| 07:33.13 | Polysics | the idea is to trigger the indexing from a PHP app |
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| 07:33.26 | Polysics | but simply system()-ing it does not work |
| 07:33.27 | pluesch0r | does that have to be near-live? |
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| 07:33.44 | Polysics | in this phase yes, because we are still working on the indexer rules |
| 07:33.50 | Polysics | in production it will be run by cron |
| 07:34.07 | pluesch0r | so checking every 5 minutes if there's a processing request or something is not an option .. |
| 07:34.09 | Polysics | i tried using sudo -u but the environment does not get set up properly |
| 07:34.12 | jargon- | Andyman: hmm. sorry i have no idea how. |
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| 07:34.25 | Polysics | pluesch0r: guess that will be the second-best solution |
| 07:34.34 | Andyman | jargon-: Thanks anyway, I found it in the mean time. http://serverfault.com/questions/27179/bringing-up-network-interface-without-ip-configured-in-debian-for-xen-dom0 |
| 07:34.37 | pluesch0r | Polysics: what about running that PHP script as luca? |
| 07:34.39 | Polysics | i can add a file to touch() when reindezing is needed |
| 07:34.48 | Polysics | changing the apache user is a nightmare |
| 07:34.53 | pluesch0r | nah, not like that. |
| 07:35.06 | Polysics | and it probably has security implications i do not even begin to grasp :-) |
| 07:35.09 | pluesch0r | isn't there some sort of safe_mode or whatever in PHP that executes the script as the user who owns the script? |
| 07:35.18 | Polysics | will check |
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| 07:36.01 | pluesch0r | Polysics: http://www.suphp.org/Home.html |
| 07:36.24 | pluesch0r | however .. that sounds rather cumbersome and time-consuming. |
| 07:36.26 | Polysics | wow, sounds interesting |
| 07:36.30 | Polysics | heh |
| 07:36.32 | pluesch0r | maybe you're best off with just the cron thing. |
| 07:36.36 | Polysics | depends if i have no other way |
| 07:36.42 | Polysics | yeah, cron thing = zero work |
| 07:36.42 | pluesch0r | you could always switch it to execute every 10 seconds or so. |
| 07:36.48 | pluesch0r | 'xactly. |
| 07:36.59 | Polysics | i gues i could, it's just polling a file anyway |
| 07:37.09 | pluesch0r | jup. generates virtually no load. |
| 07:37.14 | Polysics | there are probably more resource cosuming polls going on anyway |
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| 07:37.31 | pluesch0r | yeah. and noone will worry about the 10 second delay. |
| 07:37.36 | Polysics | i'll go with that for now. thanks! |
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| 07:37.42 | pluesch0r | ;) |
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| 08:05.48 | arif-ali | Hi, A quick question, would a preseed from ubuntu work with debian, or would I need some different options |
| 08:07.08 | tarzeau | arif-ali: no |
| 08:07.14 | tarzeau | arif-ali: but you can look at our preseeds? |
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| 08:08.18 | tarzeau | arif-ali: lenny? lucid? karmic? or the upcoming maverick? |
| 08:08.39 | tarzeau | arif-ali: the preseed won't even work between different releases of the same distribution |
| 08:09.19 | arif-ali | tareau: I am building a plugin for a cloud app to be able to provision debian and ubuntu, so i wanted a standard way to provision over the network |
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| 08:09.37 | tarzeau | arif-ali: i don't understand |
| 08:10.44 | arif-ali | tarzeau: So I want to be able to automate an install of debian over the network (dhcp, tftp) |
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| 08:10.58 | tarzeau | arif-ali: ah yes. that's what quite some people do already |
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| 08:11.32 | tarzeau | arif-ali: you install 32bit only or also 64bit versions of it? |
| 08:11.47 | arif-ali | tarzeau: 32bit and 64bit |
| 08:11.53 | tarzeau | workstations, then? |
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| 08:12.06 | arif-ali | tarzeau: I have 10.04 server already working |
| 08:12.08 | tarzeau | arif-ali: why would you want ubuntu AND debian? or moving away from ubuntu? if so, why? |
| 08:12.18 | tarzeau | you run ubuntu as servers? why's that? |
| 08:12.31 | karbonize | Hello, I run 'testing' and when I ran aptitude update followed by aptitude upgrade, I got this error - http://pastebin.com/KkgJMEPe |
| 08:13.14 | tarzeau | karbonize: it only exists in sid, according to p.d.o |
| 08:13.24 | arif-ali | tarzeau: no ok, the background, there's xCAT which is able to provision to a HPC cluster using CentOS, RHEL, SLES and SL, I thought I would write a plugin that would also work with debian and ubuntu |
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| 08:13.55 | arif-ali | tarzeau: so it's all server based, HPC |
| 08:14.03 | tarzeau | arif-ali: i see |
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| 08:14.41 | karbonize | tarzeau: so, wait for them to patch it? |
| 08:14.58 | tarzeau | karbonize: yeah - i've never run testing... always stable or sid |
| 08:15.23 | karbonize | alright, thanks! |
| 08:15.34 | tarzeau | i don't get why people run testing, but up to them |
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| 08:16.34 | arif-ali | tarzeau: They use the OS standard methods to provision, so if they were to implement debian/ubuntu it would be preseed or kickstart, if that was available |
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| 08:16.40 | karbonize | I tried sid once, and it broke so bad I had no idea where to look. With testing at least I haven't had such problems |
| 08:17.06 | tarzeau | arif-ali: preseed is nice, we use it over 5 years now |
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| 08:17.37 | arif-ali | tarzeau: but you say that it can differ between releases? |
| 08:17.57 | tarzeau | arif-ali: i say it DOES differe between releases, even if it's not big, it does |
| 08:18.14 | tarzeau | arif-ali: so far we were never able to use one preseed for more than one release |
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| 08:19.55 | arif-ali | tarzeau: thanks, that has been very helpful |
| 08:20.40 | tarzeau | arif-ali: if you need examples, tell me |
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| 08:23.26 | arif-ali | tarzeau: well, I have one that I have been building up, which has worked like a treat for lucid http://pastebin.com/8NHPwznA |
| 08:23.46 | hero100era | I installed squeeze,there is one problem. the nm-applet can't handle network card. it says: device not managed. |
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| 08:23.58 | hero100era | any body knows how to fix it.? |
| 08:24.05 | tarzeau | hero100era: if you find out, tell me - same problem |
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| 08:24.27 | ttiicc | so could be expect debian 6 to be available with a stable release before christmas? |
| 08:25.15 | simonrvn | !wir |
| 08:25.15 | dpkg | somebody said wir was When It's Ready. See also <rsn> and <siyh>. |
| 08:25.22 | cusco | ttiicc: we can't expect anything |
| 08:27.22 | arif-ali | tarzeau: it would be nice to share any that you have as well, I would be grateful |
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| 08:30.50 | fbs | morning |
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| 08:33.43 | hero100era | tarzeau: problem solved. just delete other lines except 2 lines with "lo" in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 08:33.43 | hero100era | then sudo service network-manager restart |
| 08:34.14 | hero100era | takes me several hours to solve this problem. final find the solution in one local bbs. |
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| 08:35.13 | tarzeau | hero100era: yes? why would you tell me? |
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| 09:07.30 | ttiicc | how many processes can be created at the same time before the recommendation limits in debian/linux? |
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| 09:08.41 | Chris___ | what's the easiest way to record what's being played through my sound card? I want to record a sound effect played by flash on a web site to use as a text-message ringtone |
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| 09:12.13 | jelly-home | ttiicc: why? |
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| 09:12.25 | jelly-home | ttiicc: I don't know the answer, just wondering |
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| 09:18.09 | simonrvn | Chris___: mplayer perhaps |
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| 09:20.22 | jpinx-eeepc | Chris___: audacity maybe |
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| 09:24.26 | willemb | Hi. /usr/sbin/sshd 's md5sum does not match what /var/lib/dpkg/info/openssh-server.md5sums says it should be. Is there somewhere I can compare the 'bad' md5sum to? |
| 09:24.42 | Chris___ | thanks simonrvn and jpinx-eeepc |
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| 09:37.15 | bohne | hi, how can a deamon restart itself? http://pastebin.com/cCyrBd4d |
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| 09:46.14 | neoice | is there a way to kill a process that is harder than -9? |
| 09:46.20 | neoice | I'd like to avoid doing a remote reboot |
| 09:47.03 | petemc | some processes you cant kill |
| 09:47.41 | jpinx-eeepc | neoice: be patient - it took 5 minutes for -9 to kill my frozen gui filemannager the other day |
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| 09:48.10 | neoice | I'm pretty sure I should be able to kill it. it was throwing emergency syslog messages though, so I dont expect it to go willingly |
| 09:48.19 | petemc | what state is it in? |
| 09:49.45 | neoice | christ, it may not be killable. what the hell do I do? I cant remove the kvm modules and I dont have /dev/kvm |
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| 09:53.00 | jpinx-eeepc | neoice: how long have you waited for kill -9 to work? |
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| 09:53.28 | neoice | jpinx-eeepc: probably a few minutes |
| 09:53.54 | jpinx-eeepc | neoice: like I said - be patient - 5 minutes is not unusual |
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| 09:56.07 | neoice | just for fun, here's the error that led me to where I am: http://pastebin.com/7iqU6zr8 |
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| 10:00.31 | jelly-home | neoice: which module did that modprobe try to load/unload? |
| 10:00.50 | neoice | jelly-home: this was actually aptitude's postinst for qemu-kvm |
| 10:01.03 | jelly-home | neoice: looks like kvm or kvm_intel. You're going to have to reboot |
| 10:01.04 | neoice | I am now incapable of unloading kvm or kvm_intel |
| 10:01.18 | neoice | huzzah, I'll do that when I get home in 24hrs. |
| 10:01.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | you too <320:23 < jpinx-eeepc> neoice: like I said - be patient - 5 minutes is not unusual |
| 10:01.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | blink |
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| 10:02.11 | jelly-home | Kamping_Kaiser: think paging in on a crappy eeepc ssd |
| 10:02.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | ivenever seen that long - crazyness |
| 10:02.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | jelly-home: oh...yeah, ok |
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| 10:05.02 | jelly-home | how that we have fuse, a process hung on io may actually be hund on aonther process |
| 10:05.28 | jelly-home | so kill -9 doesn't work until you kill the fuse service process |
| 10:06.01 | jelly-home | then magically all the syscalls return and processes die nicely |
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| 10:13.45 | dima_ | Hello, everyone. I've done apt-get remove apache2 and then have deleted /etc/apache2 by hand. Now when I reinstall apache2, default configs do not get installed. How do I reinstall them? |
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| 10:14.32 | jaggz | is there an html/webpage editor, like dreamweaver, but opensource, which lets you create pages with features like collapsable areas, menus, etc? I'm not quite sure what I have against dreamweaver -- we paid for it and I have it... it's just that I feel uncomfortable using all the stuff they include. Am I making a mistake in wanting some opensource alternative? |
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| 10:15.31 | hero100era | does any body know why my microphone doesn't work? |
| 10:15.47 | courpse | hero100era: Really? |
| 10:15.49 | hero100era | I'm using an old computer T60. |
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| 10:16.38 | hero100era | installed squeeze, every thing looks fine. only that the microphone seams not ol |
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| 10:16.42 | hero100era | ok |
| 10:17.02 | jaggz | dima: Maybe apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install apache2 # hmm |
| 10:17.27 | hero100era | sound recorder can't get any sound at all. |
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| 10:18.26 | jaggz | I haven't been able to get sound recorder to work in any recent version of debian either.. but I think audacity recorded fine. |
| 10:19.13 | themill | dima_: apache2.2-common is the package that you need to reinstall with "confmiss"; /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 10:19.55 | hero100era | in ubuntu sound recorder works quite well. |
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| 10:20.36 | dima_ | yahoo!!! Worked!!! |
| 10:21.07 | dima_ | themill, jaggz: thanks a lot |
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| 10:33.57 | jelly-home | ,versions fusedav |
| 10:34.00 | judd | Package fusedav on i386 -- lenny: 0.2-2; sid: 0.2-3; squeeze: 0.2-3 |
| 10:34.06 | jelly-home | ,versions avfs |
| 10:34.09 | judd | Package avfs on i386 -- lenny: 0.9.8-6; sid: 0.9.8-7; squeeze: 0.9.8-7 |
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| 10:51.26 | bolt | how do I set new user's home directories to by default not be world readable, and how can I allow apache to still access their public_html directory? |
| 10:52.47 | bolt | users'* |
| 10:53.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | bolt: you want their home to be 701, look at /etc/adduser.conf (assuming you use adduser) |
| 10:53.52 | alys | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:54.06 | alys | less /etc/adduser.conf |
| 10:54.14 | alys | sorry folks! |
| 10:54.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | \quat |
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| 10:55.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | 701? |
| 10:55.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | what does it _do_ when you give rights to others but not the group |
| 10:55.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | nothing good |
| 10:55.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah. +x to allow apache to traverse the directory, but not read its contents. and i'm simply assuming the user should be allowed to access his own files |
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| 10:55.56 | teleyinex | Hi |
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| 10:56.08 | teleyinex | Can someone help with dbconfig-common |
| 10:56.23 | teleyinex | I'm packaging my own software, and dbconfig-common is not creating the DB |
| 10:56.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | I know all that... I wasn't commenting on the user or others flag... it's the group one that strikes me as odd |
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| 10:56.35 | bolt | Kamping_Kaiser: doesn't that mean anyone can traverse the directory, though? |
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| 10:56.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | bolt: yes |
| 10:57.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | bolt, apache is "anyone" |
| 10:57.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can't eat the cake and have it, too |
| 10:57.26 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: apache is www-data :> |
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| 10:57.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, that's one ... any |
| 10:57.58 | bolt | would making the directory 710, owned by user.www-data be safer then, perhaps? |
| 10:57.58 | jelly-home | not just anyone |
| 10:58.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | you're just trying to be annoying! |
| 10:58.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | any-oying |
| 10:58.10 | jelly-home | succeeding! |
| 10:58.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | jelly-home: hehe |
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| 10:58.35 | os_admin | hello i'd like to setup an sms server gammu, have you any url in which i can find the steps thx |
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| 11:02.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | "www.gammu.org"? |
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| 11:04.22 | FredZ | I am having a dependency issue after "apt-get full-upgrade". libc-bin seems to be the issue but I can't seem to install it. Any thoughts would be helpfull. |
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| 11:05.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | try using aptitude |
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| 11:10.06 | FredZ | I tried aptitude and I get "an't exec "locale": No such file or directory at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Encoding.pm line 16." |
| 11:10.06 | mrfree | anyone can suggest my an howto about version bump for a package? :) |
| 11:10.07 | hramrach | Hello |
| 11:10.49 | hramrach | is Squeeze going to release with obsolete X or are there going to be some updates? |
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| 11:12.42 | abrotman | hramrach: what about it is obsolete? |
| 11:13.00 | abrotman | FredZ: install the package that has that file .. see apt-file |
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| 11:13.35 | mrfree | http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 11:14.33 | hramrach | abrotman: I don't have any issues with the X core personally but it certainly is somewhat dated. Mesa is at 7.7 which is very old and there are many issues which are fixed in 7.8 |
| 11:14.39 | abrotman | very old? |
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| 11:15.02 | abrotman | hramrach: Squeeze is frozen .. i can't see any major revision bumps, possibly some patches though if you nudge them |
| 11:15.43 | hramrach | ok, Ubuntu for working graphics then. Or experimental. |
| 11:16.01 | abrotman | sees libmesa at 7.5-ish .. is it a different package |
| 11:16.02 | abrotman | ? |
| 11:16.14 | FredZ | I tried to install the single file/app that is missing (lidc-bin) and I get this error "Package libc-bin is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source" |
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| 11:16.32 | abrotman | FredZ: which version of debian is this? |
| 11:16.41 | FredZ | 5.0.3 |
| 11:17.00 | hramrach | libgl1-mesa-dri: 7.7.1-4 0 700 http://debian.sh.cvut.cz/debian/ squeeze/main amd64 Packages |
| 11:17.03 | abrotman | FredZ: put the errors in a pastebin |
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| 11:17.34 | abrotman | hramrach: ah okay .. well, if you need a certain patch for graphics, you can send an email to the debian-x team and see if they can get it in |
| 11:18.35 | hramrach | I can't point to a particular patch, just that a few things would not work or crash the system on 7.7 but do work on 7.8 |
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| 11:22.32 | hramrach | since the X people always ask for reports for the latest packages/git there is nothing reported for 7.7 specifically as 7.8 is in experimental for ages |
| 11:23.33 | hramrach | Guess X packages should be put into volatile :> |
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| 11:25.48 | FredZ | Here is a dump of my problem. http://pastebin.ca/1957473 |
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| 11:28.22 | jelly-home | ,versions libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 11:28.23 | judd | Package libgl1-mesa-dri on i386 -- etch: 6.5.1-0.6; lenny: 7.0.3-7; sid: 7.7.1-4; squeeze: 7.7.1-4; experimental: 7.8.2-2 |
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| 11:29.50 | jelly-home | hramrach: try asking on the X team mailing list or #debian-x channel (irc.oftc.net) about their plans |
| 11:30.19 | jelly-home | !debian-x |
| 11:30.19 | dpkg | Debian-x is for all things X11 in Debian. See: http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/ for details. |
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| 11:31.17 | abrotman | FredZ: try `aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade` see what that does |
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| 11:35.53 | jelly-home | How do I tell gdm not to override system locale when I'm logging in? |
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| 11:38.22 | FredZ | abrotman: The command worked, but completed with errors. http://pastebin.ca/1957480 |
| 11:38.45 | abrotman | FredZ: why do you ahve a libc6 not from lenny ? |
| 11:39.22 | abrotman | FredZ: your choices are a) try to downgrade your libc6 b) finish the upgrade to squeeze .. in the future, do not mix packages from non-stable with stable |
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| 11:42.47 | FredZ | abrotman: I wasn't aware that I had libc not from lenny. I simply went to upgrade the server. Where can I find info on how to roll the server back to lenny? |
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| 11:43.12 | jpinx-eeepc | !downgrade |
| 11:43.12 | dpkg | [downgrade] Downgrading is not possible with apt-get/aptitude and no future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
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| 11:43.25 | abrotman | dpkg: find usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Encoding.pm lenny |
| 11:44.47 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Encoding.pm' (1): (/usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Encoding.pm) in admin/debconf. |
| 11:45.01 | abrotman | FredZ: is your debconf package installed? |
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| 11:52.15 | pjb | with aptitude, I alway sget errors about libc6: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.7-18lenny4_i386.deb (--unpack): / subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 1 / Errors were encountered while processing: / /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.7-18lenny4_i386.deb |
| 11:52.15 | pjb | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:52.23 | pjb | What can I do to resove it? |
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| 11:56.31 | abrotman | pjb: can you put the full output in a pastebin ? |
| 11:56.46 | Pavlz | one query what is the irc for the sparc and the other architectures ? |
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| 11:57.08 | lng | hi what package is responsible of mail command under deb? |
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| 11:58.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | lng: in what sense? |
| 11:58.10 | abrotman | Pavlz: #debian-sparc on irc.oftc.net |
| 11:58.17 | abrotman | lng: there are a few |
| 11:58.29 | lng | Kamping_Kaiser: I need to send notification email |
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| 11:58.56 | lng | echo -e $OUT | /usr/bin/mail -s "TV Sreen / recorderlogs logs backup error" $EMAILS |
| 11:59.29 | lng | no /usr/bin/mail found |
| 11:59.30 | Pavlz | yes, but how to search the other #'s for the other iso's thinked for Arm, Armel, Ia64, Mvme, .... |
| 12:00.09 | darkskiez | what is the preferred style these days /dev/md1 or /dev/md/1 ? having some issues with some devtmpfs/initramfs/kernels expecting one / providing other etc etc |
| 12:00.17 | Pavlz | anyway i thank you <abrotman> |
| 12:01.25 | bolt | so i set "usergroups" to "no" in adduser.conf, and now new user's folders end up being in the group set by "users_gid". is there a way to set which group should own it independently of the default user group? |
| 12:01.42 | abrotman | Pavlz: google "irc primer" |
| 12:01.49 | Xenguy | lng: bsd-mailx is the package AFAIK |
| 12:02.05 | petemc | lng: bsd-mailx |
| 12:02.07 | Xenguy | wc |
| 12:02.15 | pjb | abrotman: have a look at http://pastebin.com/G0Vh880j |
| 12:02.27 | zuse3450 | hi |
| 12:02.37 | Pavlz | thank you |
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| 12:03.05 | abrotman | pjb: that is a real 386! :) |
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| 12:03.17 | pjb | Well, it's in Qemu, with a codeduo... |
| 12:03.33 | ElDeablo | Bom dia! |
| 12:03.52 | abrotman | pjb: it's QEMU emulating a core2duo ? |
| 12:04.05 | lng | petemc: Xenguy: thanks |
| 12:04.31 | pjb | abrotman: Yes, qemu -cpu codeduo |
| 12:04.36 | pjb | abrotman: Yes, qemu -cpu coreduo |
| 12:04.41 | Xenguy | lng: yw |
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| 12:04.57 | pjb | abrotman: should I use another emulated processor? |
| 12:04.57 | abrotman | pjb: and if you leave that -cpu option out when you start the VM ? |
| 12:05.09 | pjb | I could try... |
| 12:05.43 | abrotman | ISTR it does a 686 if you don't specify |
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| 12:09.57 | Pavlz | on #debian-sparc is possible enter only on invite |
| 12:10.21 | Pavlz | people come turned to ##debian-sparc |
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| 12:11.33 | pjb | abrotman: it gives the same result. http://pastebin.com/9Yx8JF5A |
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| 12:16.31 | jelly-home | !sparc |
| 12:16.31 | dpkg | [sparc] the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded systems usually run Solaris. For more information about SPARC, see http://www.sparc.org/ and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPARC . To install Debian, ask me about <install guide> and see http://wiki.debian.org/PortsSparc . For help with Debian on SPARC, join #debian-sparc on irc.oftc.net. |
| 12:16.49 | jelly-home | Pavlz: note it's on a different irc network |
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| 12:21.29 | tech | mornign all |
| 12:21.50 | tech | trying to fix this: |
| 12:21.51 | tech | The following extra packages will be installed: libisc52 |
| 12:21.51 | tech | The following NEW packages will be installed: libisc52 |
| 12:21.59 | tech | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libisc52_1%3a9.6.ESV.R1+dfsg-0+lenny2_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/libisc.so.50', which is also in package libisc50 1:9.6.1.dfsg.P2-1 |
| 12:21.59 | dpkg | tech: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 12:22.04 | tech | configured to not write apport reports |
| 12:22.04 | tech | woops ok. |
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| 12:23.00 | tech | http://paste.debian.net/94421/ |
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| 12:23.40 | allure | Hi guys. I'm not beeing able to smbget a share that is on an w2k. Getting Permission Denied, even when using Administrator login. Do I need to authenticate with the AD somehow before I use smbget on it? |
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| 12:24.10 | binhoz | i need some help |
| 12:24.43 | cmihai | Hi. What would be the quickest way to nuke a messed up /etc/pam.d setup (it's configured for kerberos and ldap and such for some reason) and replace it with a clean configuration? |
| 12:25.12 | abrotman | Pavlz: on irc.oftc.net .. not here |
| 12:25.21 | cmihai | Would libpam-runtime do it? |
| 12:25.33 | cmihai | eg: reinstalling or reconfiguring this package? |
| 12:25.39 | abrotman | pjb: i've never seen that .. is there a bug in the BTS perhaps ? |
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| 12:26.38 | binhoz | i have a server, but.. in win client, when the "user" saves the file, the file's empty to work of another one user of same group. |
| 12:26.57 | cmihai | Anyway, from what I understand libpam-runtime provides the common-auth config files and such that get updated by pam-auth-update |
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| 12:27.40 | Famic_ | I was informed by mail that my server was used to attack another one through an exploit in phpmyadmin/scripts/setup.php |
| 12:27.51 | Famic_ | I am running a debian lenny with phpmyadmin - 2.11.8.1deb5+lenny6, and it seems that is the latest pacakge available, even though I see a version 3 is out there |
| 12:28.00 | Famic_ | anyone would know how to fix that by any chance? |
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| 12:31.46 | cmihai | Famic_: chroot your services, install your own, secure your php and don't expose silly admin tools to the web :-) |
| 12:32.26 | Snadder | Is there a debian apt mirror list generator around? |
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| 12:32.44 | Snadder | I've seen one for ubuntu.. |
| 12:33.19 | Snadder | http://repogen.simplylinux.ch/ |
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| 12:34.15 | Snadder | Anyway.. i'm wondring about what to use for my etch distro.. |
| 12:34.37 | Snadder | Since its not supported anymore.. I think I remember I needed to use some kinda "old" mirror. |
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| 12:39.36 | hmw | What is a nice mail client for the shell? |
| 12:39.47 | abrotman | !tell Snadder about etch sources.list |
| 12:39.52 | blip2 | hmw: mutt |
| 12:39.59 | abrotman | hmw: mutt or alpine (if you liked pine) |
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| 12:40.21 | hmw | i liked pine - thank you! |
| 12:40.41 | abrotman | hmw: it's not exactly the same .. and you can't use it directly with Maildir (you can use IMAP instead) |
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| 12:41.19 | hmw | alright - I'll check it out... |
| 12:41.23 | pjb | abrotman: what's the BTS? How could I just re-install the broken packages? |
| 12:41.47 | bugger | hi all - i'm trying to install lenny from a usb stick, finding it hell so far, got to the point of installing the base system and it keeps telling me to it can't determine the codename for this release |
| 12:42.06 | bugger | i tried debootstrap manual, but then i couldn't do further steps because the step installing the base system hadn't been completed |
| 12:42.11 | abrotman | !tell pjb about bts |
| 12:42.53 | pjb | Thanks. I'll check. |
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| 12:43.30 | Snadder | What is the easiest ftp client, with no configuration needed to give shell users access to ftp? |
| 12:43.35 | Snadder | sorry.. ftp server |
| 12:43.47 | bugger | is there a way i can tell debian installer which codename i'm after? |
| 12:44.01 | jargon- | Andyman: awesome. sorry for the late reply. :-) |
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| 12:44.17 | tarzeau | Snadder: lftp |
| 12:44.31 | tarzeau | Snadder: ah server... proftpd is not too hard |
| 12:44.36 | Andyman | jargon-: I didn't see it :) |
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| 12:44.50 | Snadder | tarzeau, what change do I need to do? |
| 12:45.07 | tarzeau | Snadder: for the server? |
| 12:45.19 | Snadder | tarzeau, yes. |
| 12:45.39 | Andyman | jargon-: What was your reply? |
| 12:45.49 | tarzeau | Snadder: install the package, more or less :) |
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| 12:46.32 | jargon- | Andyman: unconfigure NIC? |
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| 12:46.38 | Andyman | jargon-: I think it's not part of my client's buffer at the moment.. |
| 12:46.40 | jargon- | unconfigured |
| 12:46.41 | jargon- | * |
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| 12:48.05 | EduardeCalibal | Hello. How I mark bad blocks in a partition with reiserfs? I tryed reiserfsck -B <badblocks> --rebuild-tree but received errors. |
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| 12:48.32 | Andyman | jargon-: ah, okay, I used http://pastie.org/1207585 in the end. Bringing a NIC up without configuring it is a common requirement for people who use some sort of virtualisation on top of linux. |
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| 12:48.49 | EduardeCalibal | Errors like "Unrecoveread read" and "auto reallocate failed". |
| 12:49.22 | Andyman | jargon-: In my case, I use ubuntu as a host for virtualbox, but didn't find a solution in #ubuntu. |
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| 12:49.24 | tarzeau | !tryed |
| 12:49.25 | dpkg | tryed is, like, not English. I think you meant to say 'tried'. "tryed" _is_ English, just middle / old English. |
| 12:49.39 | tech | hey guys i am stuck in a dependcy loop with libisc52 |
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| 12:49.43 | tech | can anyone assist? |
| 12:49.48 | abrotman | pastebin it? |
| 12:49.57 | abrotman | oh i see it above |
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| 12:50.06 | abrotman | !tell tech about overwrite |
| 12:50.06 | EduardeCalibal | tried... Ok. |
| 12:50.24 | izua | hello, i emerged texlive, and i tried a document: ! LaTeX Error: File `utf8x.def' not found |
| 12:50.41 | abrotman | izua: emerged ? |
| 12:50.43 | izua | utf8 doesn't work either |
| 12:50.45 | izua | erm |
| 12:50.47 | izua | sorry, apt-get |
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| 12:51.11 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps is there a backport for python 2.6 to lenny> |
| 12:51.18 | izua | apt-cache search tex | grep utf8/unicode/etc doesn't give any results either |
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| 12:51.33 | Eryn_1983_FL | !backports |
| 12:51.33 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 12:51.34 | jelly-home | izua: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 12:51.49 | bugger | i'm trying to install lenny from a usb stick, got to the point of installing the base system and it keeps telling me to it can't determine the codename for this release |
| 12:51.51 | bugger | i tried debootstrap manual, but then i couldn't do further steps because the step installing the base system hadn't been completed |
| 12:51.53 | Eryn_1983_FL | !debian-backports |
| 12:51.53 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo key> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo kernel> <bdo users> <bdo pinning>. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100905 |
| 12:51.55 | bugger | is there a way i can tell debian installer which codename i'm after? |
| 12:51.55 | tech | abrotman: thanks |
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| 12:52.17 | jelly-home | Eryn_1983_FL: please use /msg dpkg stuff instead of !stuff |
| 12:52.21 | Eryn_1983_FL | sorry |
| 12:52.43 | izua | jelly-home: what? |
| 12:53.00 | themill | dpkg: tell Eryn_1983_FL about python2.6 |
| 12:53.08 | mythx | Hi all. How can I get cpu load per process |
| 12:53.08 | jelly-home | izua: do that in your irc client. Read the private response from dpkg, the bot |
| 12:53.20 | izua | there is no response. thus, my 'what' |
| 12:53.34 | themill | dpkg: tell izua about apt-file |
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| 12:53.41 | izua | also i'm running testing, because i need eth drivers |
| 12:53.50 | izua | ah, the backports wasn't for me |
| 12:54.07 | jelly-home | izua: weird, did you get it now? |
| 12:54.32 | izua | yeah, now i did, first one at :51 didn't |
| 12:54.54 | izua | but.. how's this suppose to solve anything? i can't findany solution about the missing utf8x package |
| 12:55.12 | jelly-home | izua: you can how search for the "utf8x.def" file |
| 12:55.21 | jelly-home | now* |
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| 12:56.49 | binhoz | away: [Inativo por mais de 30 minutos] [desde: 09:56, page: on] |
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| 12:57.17 | jargon- | Andyman: aah i see |
| 12:57.22 | izua | jelly-home: ah, right, sorry, i should get some sleep. |
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| 13:00.28 | Famic_ | anyone can tell me why some up to date apps (phpmyadmin 3 for instance) are not available in the debian lenny repositories ? |
| 13:00.30 | abrotman | !tell binhoz-Away about away |
| 13:00.37 | abrotman | !tell Famic_ about meaning of stable |
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| 13:01.16 | Famic_ | abrotman: does it mean I should point to testing ? |
| 13:01.42 | abrotman | is it an external/web server? |
| 13:01.50 | Famic_ | yes |
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| 13:02.49 | Famic_ | it seems someone used an exploit in my current phpmyadmin version to hack another box. I thought that by updating frequently I would get the latest patches and avoid that kind of issues |
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| 13:04.56 | pzn | does this line of "top" output proves that pidgin has memory leaks? "22920 pzn 20 0 1014m 353m 11m S 0 17.7 2:31.59 pidgin" |
| 13:05.10 | pixil | no |
| 13:05.10 | tech | ok - on to my next problem. unix2dos has been replaced with todos which is fine except that when i run this i get: |
| 13:05.13 | tech | todos: Unable to access file |
| 13:05.24 | tech | but i can clearly copy/move/edit the file from cli. |
| 13:05.43 | pixil | tech: What's the full command you typed? |
| 13:08.29 | tech | todos -p /mnt/test/myfile.txt |
| 13:08.55 | tech | now myfile is over a samba share - but again i can hit it/modify and even delete |
| 13:08.59 | tech | from a cli. |
| 13:09.28 | pixil | What's returned by: ls -lah /mnt/test/myfile.txt ? |
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| 13:09.59 | tech | -rw-rw---- 1 root root 196K Oct 8 09:03 |
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| 13:10.43 | ward| | http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiHowto |
| 13:10.50 | tech | not sure why they tossed unix2dos - worked fine |
| 13:10.52 | ward| | http://www.aurel32.net/info/debian_arm_qemu.php |
| 13:10.58 | ward| | i'm following these links |
| 13:11.00 | pixil | You're sure todos isn't looking for the destination file? |
| 13:11.06 | tech | hmmm. |
| 13:11.12 | pixil | I don't have a system that has todos on it, sorry |
| 13:11.14 | ward| | and my virtual machine boots fine, but the 10GB image is not attached |
| 13:11.21 | ward| | dunno whats wrong |
| 13:11.46 | tech | well, has to be somethign with th smbfs mount |
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| 13:11.55 | tech | BECAUSE.... if i do it to a local file it works. |
| 13:12.06 | pixil | So, if you copy it to /tmp it works? |
| 13:12.25 | tech | yup. |
| 13:12.37 | tech | i am thinking it is the file_mode and dir_mode for the fs mount |
| 13:12.38 | pixil | strace the command and pastebin the output. |
| 13:12.44 | pixil | Likely, yes |
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| 13:14.25 | tech | http://paste.debian.net/94438/ |
| 13:15.29 | pixil | st_mode=S_IFREG|0660 |
| 13:15.37 | pixil | rw rw, just like the system sees |
| 13:15.39 | pixil | I don't get it. |
| 13:15.49 | tech | yeah - messed up. |
| 13:16.01 | tech | i cna copy that file local and it allows me to update. |
| 13:16.13 | tech | i mean i would have to change ALL my scripts to make lcoal copy first then put it back hahahahaha |
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| 13:16.57 | tech | and it is JUST todos. |
| 13:17.01 | tech | just ran other programs on it. |
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| 13:17.07 | tech | and it works fine. |
| 13:17.18 | pixil | get unix2dos from the web :D |
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| 13:17.41 | tech | been searching. |
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| 13:19.04 | pixil | Who's ownership does the system report on that file? |
| 13:19.20 | pixil | todos should respect and be able to work with samba from what I've read |
| 13:20.50 | tech | root.root |
| 13:21.11 | bint | should /var/www/ be owned by root or by www-data ? |
| 13:21.18 | himuraken | Reposting as I lost connection:..... |
| 13:21.20 | himuraken | Hey group, I am running a fresh install of Lenny and needed a more recent version of transmission. I tried downloading the debs manually from their respective package pages without success. I found an article somewhere that talked about enabling SID/testing in source.list. I now have transmission from Sid, but I am concerned about testing packages coming down. |
| 13:21.24 | himuraken | Can I now remove Sid from the sources.list file and continue getting updates etc from Lenny? In other words, I dont want any testing/unstable other than transmission. |
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| 13:22.27 | bint | himuraken i think autoupdate won't work then - but i'm not sure |
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| 13:22.40 | pixil | tech: And you're root? |
| 13:22.49 | pixil | Should they be mounted as root? |
| 13:23.12 | himuraken | bint, OK, and that makes sense. I am just worried that if I do apt-get update/upgrade that it will upgrade current system |
| 13:23.13 | sdjklf | hi all |
| 13:23.25 | himuraken | bint, but then again it shouldnt right? I should only upgrade packages from that release? |
| 13:23.37 | himuraken | it* |
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| 13:24.37 | tech | pixil: yes and it should allow it. |
| 13:24.51 | tech | pixdo you see unix2dos bin anywhere? |
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| 13:26.42 | sdjklf | using debian,if i hv configured bind9, after configuration i hv to put nameserver 127.0.0.1 in /etc/resolv.conf.,, bind9 restarted no errors at syslog, when pinging my example.com, got reply ping: unknown host example.com ?? |
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| 13:28.30 | ward| | anyone... ? |
| 13:28.59 | ward| | kindof stuck |
| 13:29.09 | ward| | like usually with debian and its Fed up crap documentation |
| 13:29.18 | babilen | ward|: Try #qemu .. |
| 13:29.32 | ward| | babilen, will do |
| 13:29.44 | babilen | ward|: File bugs, submit patches. Don't whine in here. |
| 13:29.56 | jelly-home | wonders who fed the documentation |
| 13:30.04 | babilen | :-D |
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| 13:31.39 | ward| | the documentation is just not clear, but i guess i should just use the non-hellish debian version |
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| 13:32.25 | babilen | ward|: Debian provides a "hellish" version also? |
| 13:32.40 | ward| | thanx for pointing me to #qemu, im not gonna get help here anyway so its probably best if i leave you guys alone |
| 13:32.50 | ward| | babilen, yes all versions are helish |
| 13:33.03 | ward| | the non helish version starts with a U... |
| 13:33.11 | ward| | and has good documentation |
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| 13:36.30 | sdjklf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:37.33 | urna | sdjklf: perhaps your bind configuration does not allow recursion? |
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| 13:39.24 | stew | sdjklf: can you show us the output of "host example.com 127.0.0.1" ? |
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| 13:42.34 | sdjklf | urna: one question then i will paste it somewhere ,,, if i simply edit my /etc/hosts file and simply mention like, 192.168.0.100 example.com ,, and then ping ,, then it resolves,, but it does not mean that bind9 is working fine ? |
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| 13:43.17 | urna | sdjklf: if you add an entry in /etc/hosts you're bypassing bind9 |
| 13:43.27 | urna | sdjklf: not quite sure if you're a troll or not |
| 13:43.36 | pixil | urna: I don't think you should recommend people blindly enable recusion in bind. |
| 13:43.57 | urna | pixil: I don't really care what you think tbh |
| 13:44.25 | pixil | That's fine, but doing so clearly illustrates your lacking in understanding of what recursion is. |
| 13:44.31 | sdjklf | don't mind, don't fight ,,, let me show u ,, my files,, please wait a minute |
| 13:45.02 | urna | pixil: go ahead and show us your DNS skills by helping the guy then ;) |
| 13:45.15 | pixil | I did in another channel. :-) |
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| 13:48.10 | tech | pixil: you able to find unix2dos bin? |
| 13:48.12 | tech | i wasn't |
| 13:48.17 | tech | even tried rpm alien to deb |
| 13:48.20 | tech | but not the same. |
| 13:49.31 | stew | judd: file usr/bin/unix2dos |
| 13:49.35 | judd | usr/bin/unix2dos in lenny/i386: tofrodos: usr/bin/unix2dos |
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| 13:49.47 | stew | or dos2unix: /usr/bin/unix2dos in squeeze |
| 13:50.24 | stew | but you are better off just learning sed anyway :) |
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| 13:51.25 | chemistrydioxide | hello, can someone help me? my keyboard is going mad: some keys don't work and some do something which is different from what they should do. the issue happens with several kbds, so it's not a hardware issue |
| 13:51.55 | chemistrydioxide | for instance, up sometimes behaves like print screen |
| 13:52.08 | chemistrydioxide | atm the up key has stopped working completely |
| 13:52.17 | sdjklf | please take a look at http://fpaste.org/nXiz/ |
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| 13:53.37 | sdjklf | urna: will you please take a look at http://fpaste.org/nXiz/ |
| 13:53.46 | sdjklf | pixil: will you please take a look at http://fpaste.org/nXiz/ |
| 13:54.03 | izua | hello, i'm using the romanian keyboard. romanian layouts had problems since the beginning - the official docs request the tz and csh sounds be written with t-comma and s-comma, but up till recently (win7 or so), only the t-cedilla/s-cedilla versions were used. similiary for debian, stable seems to use s-cedilla for the layout, testing seems to use s-comma. |
| 13:54.04 | urna | sdjklf: I just did, sorry I misunderstood your problem after your first question |
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| 13:54.38 | izua | i need to make my keyboard layout (on testing) use s-comma (the _wrong_ version), because latex won't hyphenate words with s-cedilla, and there's no solution to this yet. |
| 13:54.40 | stew | sdjklf: what does "grep host /etc/nsswitch.conf" return? |
| 13:55.00 | izua | i prefer switching my keyboard layout over hacking the latex hyphenation rules. how would i do this? |
| 13:55.02 | stew | chemistrydioxide: in x? |
| 13:55.07 | stew | chemistrydioxide: or in console? |
| 13:55.11 | chemistrydioxide | stew: in x, yea |
| 13:55.14 | chemistrydioxide | *yes |
| 13:55.30 | stew | chemistrydioxide: do you have an xorg.conf? what layout do you want to be using? |
| 13:55.38 | sdjklf | stew: hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4 |
| 13:55.42 | tech | judd: yeah i have a wierd problem with todos. |
| 13:55.50 | tech | i can access modify and even delte the file. |
| 13:55.53 | chemistrydioxide | izua: try to switch to the proper layout that you want, there should be several variations of the romanian layout |
| 13:56.11 | tech | however i cannot todos over smbfs |
| 13:56.31 | tech | it tells me cannot access file |
| 13:56.42 | tech | howeve rif i copy the file locally it works fins |
| 13:56.46 | tech | it is really pising me off. |
| 13:56.47 | chemistrydioxide | stew: my xorg.conf is empty |
| 13:57.23 | stew | tech: what user are you running it as? |
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| 13:57.33 | kingsley | Is there an official, standard or default mail transfer agent (MTA) in the stable 5.0 release of debian (lenny)? If so, what is it? |
| 13:57.41 | izua | chemistrydioxide: there is only one, that's why i'm asking. i'm on testing, btw |
| 13:57.45 | stew | kingsley: exim4 |
| 13:57.48 | tech | stew: root |
| 13:57.53 | Number6 | my xorg.conf brings all the nerds to the yard, and their like.. "That cron job was hard". Damn right, that cronjob was hard. I could code for you, but I'd have to charge |
| 13:57.54 | chemistrydioxide | stew: the problem is that certain keys randomly change between working properly, working the wrong way and not working at all |
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| 13:58.37 | stew | tech: i'd guess that root isn't able to create a temporary file on that device |
| 13:58.47 | stew | tech: what are the permissions of the directory containing the file? |
| 13:58.55 | tech | yes - it can create/modify and delete form cli. |
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| 13:59.02 | tech | it is JUST todos |
| 13:59.09 | stew | tech: i'd strace it then |
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| 13:59.23 | stew | tech: to see exactly what file it can't write to |
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| 13:59.31 | tech | scroll up i paste binned an starce for pixil |
| 13:59.53 | kingsley | stew: Thank you. |
| 14:00.22 | tech | stew: http://paste.debian.net/94447/ |
| 14:01.00 | chemistrydioxide | izua: debian testing has 9 romanian kbd layouts |
| 14:01.13 | chemistrydioxide | izua: have you double-checked twice that you haven |
| 14:01.17 | tech | i just made text fiile and delted ove rthat share as well |
| 14:01.38 | chemistrydioxide | izua: 't missed the option to choose the layout variant? |
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| 14:02.43 | stew | tech: so /mnt/dataserver2/mis/MIS-Info/onlineordering/ht_check.txt does seem to be the problem. can you pastebin "stat /mnt/dataserver2/mis/MIS-Info/onlineordering/{,ht_check.txt}" |
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| 14:04.49 | stew | chemistrydioxide: so your keys change randomly during the same session? or it changes from session to session? |
| 14:04.55 | urna | sdjklf: try something like that in your example.com file http://pastebin.com/WBBySQHq. I don't think you should have 127.0.0.1 as A record for your nameserver. |
| 14:05.13 | chemistrydioxide | stew: for instance, the alt graph key is sometimes working and sometimes it becomes enter. the enter key in turn doesn't work atm |
| 14:05.38 | stew | urna: note that his first listed nameserver is google |
| 14:06.11 | stew | urna: so if he's having problems resolving, it probably has nothing to do with his bind |
| 14:06.45 | stew | chemistrydioxide: it changes mid-session? |
| 14:07.14 | chemistrydioxide | stew: well it doesn't change frequently. i know that it improves when i plug in an additional keyboard and that it can get worse when i use suspend-to-disk |
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| 14:07.30 | dav1d1 | Hello |
| 14:07.36 | tech | stew: http://paste.debian.net/94452/ |
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| 14:07.50 | chemistrydioxide | stew: i think yes, under certain circumstances |
| 14:07.52 | urna | stew: you think 127.0.0.1 is a valid NS record? though I agree his resolv.conf needs some changes. |
| 14:08.59 | tsccof | is debian testing a rolling release system? |
| 14:09.06 | chemistrydioxide | stew: however, i've got no idea what exactly is causing the issue, although i suspect it's a software issue |
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| 14:09.32 | chemistrydioxide | tsccof: yep, debian testing is what is to become a stable release |
| 14:09.39 | stew | tsccof: define what you mean by rolling release. we seem to be getting this question a lot lately and people seem to have varying definitions of what a rolling release is |
| 14:09.40 | mastro | where is the acroread? I can't find it on debian stable O_o |
| 14:09.45 | mastro | acroread package |
| 14:09.56 | stew | chemistrydioxide: i suspect its an issue with hal |
| 14:10.01 | tech | stew: http://paste.debian.net/94452/ |
| 14:10.06 | tech | so explain this madness to me |
| 14:10.07 | tech | haha |
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| 14:10.38 | chemistrydioxide | mastro: the proprietary acrobat reader is part of the non-free section |
| 14:11.05 | chemistrydioxide | mastro: i suggest that you use konqueror, kpdf or xpdf instead |
| 14:11.09 | tsccof | when testing becomes stable(squeeze), what will happen to testing? will it start out as a copy of squeeze, since squeeze is a snapshot of testing, and then take out its own way, until it is ready to become a stable release again? |
| 14:11.25 | stew | chemistrydioxide: are you sure its in non-free? i see the last upload of acrread happening in 2002 |
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| 14:11.57 | stew | tsccof: yes, wheezy starts out exactly the same as squeeze, but it immediately gets a flood of updates from unstable, and squeeze becomes stable |
| 14:12.11 | stew | tech: can you show the line from "mount" for that filesystem? |
| 14:12.19 | chemistrydioxide | stew, mastro: well, if it's 8 years old by now, then it might have been removed |
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| 14:13.15 | binhoz | voltou: [Inativo por mais de 30 minutos] [duração: 1hr 16mins 25secs, page: on] |
| 14:13.18 | tsccof | hmm, so the testing branch is rolling release |
| 14:13.21 | binhoz | somebody can help me pls? |
| 14:13.22 | binhoz | \= |
| 14:13.36 | tsccof | great news |
| 14:13.52 | chemistrydioxide | mastro: i have removed acrobat reader from my linux after i lost a drm-protected DPAG stamp because acroread decided that i should get a blank page instead of the stamp i wanted to print :-( |
| 14:13.54 | tech | stew: i pm'd it to you. |
| 14:14.03 | mastro | chemistrydioxide, I usually use evince but I need to use acrobat now, and I have non-free enabled so it should be there but it isn't.. I haven't used it for a while now.. so it may had changed name but I can't find it by apt-cache/aptitude search |
| 14:14.07 | stew | tech: you should be using cifs instead of smbfs unless its a really old windows machine |
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| 14:14.20 | tech | no problem will swith to cifs now |
| 14:14.33 | stew | smbfs should now only be needed for like windows95 |
| 14:14.35 | chemistrydioxide | mastro: do you need it to print drm-protected files? |
| 14:14.40 | stew | tech: no idea if that will help though |
| 14:14.47 | stew | tech: check the logs on the samba server |
| 14:15.00 | mastro | chemistrydioxide, no.. because I have an "interactive" PDF that do not work properly with evince |
| 14:15.11 | mastro | and I need it to submit a request to my company |
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| 14:16.00 | mastro | the point is: i need it (Adobe Acrobat PDF Reader) and I can't find it in the debian repository, do anyone know where is the package gone? |
| 14:16.01 | chemistrydioxide | mastro: have you tried xpdf or kpdf? |
| 14:16.03 | andrewnemeth | hey guys |
| 14:16.11 | andrewnemeth | can I downgrade grub2 to grub by yum? |
| 14:16.13 | mastro | chemistrydioxide, no, i need acrobat |
| 14:16.25 | andrewnemeth | I mean by apt-get |
| 14:16.26 | andrewnemeth | :) |
| 14:16.33 | tech | stew: nothing to report out of there. |
| 14:16.37 | tech | also i changed over to cifs. |
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| 14:16.41 | tech | didn't not make diff. |
| 14:16.44 | keith4 | mastro: acroread is in d-m |
| 14:16.46 | tech | should i be checking another log? |
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| 14:17.01 | mastro | keith4, no clue, what's d-m? |
| 14:17.09 | keith4 | debian-multimedia |
| 14:17.22 | mastro | keith4, uh? why has it been removed from debian non-free? |
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| 14:17.26 | mastro | keith4, anyway thanks |
| 14:17.36 | stew | mastro: looking at the acrobat (> 200 page) license, debian is not allowed redistribute the acrobat reader, you'll have to get it directly from adobe |
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| 14:17.49 | tech | Oct 8 09:15:35 IDS kernel: [ 6287.069380] CIFS: Unknown mount option f_mode |
| 14:17.54 | keith4 | mastro: dunno. maybe because it's terrible software and is full of security holes? ;-) |
| 14:17.57 | tech | but i don;t have that in any of my lines. |
| 14:17.59 | stew | mastro: we have to remove it because their license says we are not allowed to redistribute it |
| 14:18.02 | mastro | keith4, eheh :) |
| 14:18.08 | keith4 | also, what stew said |
| 14:18.10 | mastro | stew, I see |
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| 14:18.16 | abrotman | i think dmm has adobe? |
| 14:18.23 | mastro | stew, I hate adobe... but I had to use it this time... :/ |
| 14:18.31 | chemistrydioxide | mastro: i think keith4 is talking about debian-multimedia.org |
| 14:18.37 | greenday | umm, m$ doc is better |
| 14:18.48 | tech | nah - old. |
| 14:18.54 | stew | tech: check "man mount.cifs" to see what the options need to change to |
| 14:18.57 | tech | old log entry.. fawk this thing is killing me. |
| 14:19.02 | mastro | stew, keith4 don't like the idea of using debian-multimedia I had bad experiences with that repo in the past :) but anyway.. thanks |
| 14:19.03 | chemistrydioxide | mastro: http://www.debian-multimedia.org/dists/lenny/main/binary-i386/package/acroread.php |
| 14:19.11 | mastro | chemistrydioxide, I know thanks :) |
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| 14:19.28 | streuner__ | 404 |
| 14:19.34 | greenday | http? |
| 14:19.40 | streuner__ | go to adobe, they have a deb |
| 14:19.46 | keith4 | mastro: you can always get it from adobe, too |
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| 14:19.57 | streuner__ | greenday: sure |
| 14:20.50 | mastro | keith4, uh? really? they made a deb package? |
| 14:20.55 | chemistrydioxide | mastro: don't try to print from acrobat reader, it doesn't work, as i told you |
| 14:21.12 | mastro | chemistrydioxide, I got it don't worry |
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| 14:21.39 | mastro | chemistrydioxide, i'll edit a not DRM protected PDF and email it then uninstall acrobat reader, I swear |
| 14:21.44 | mastro | :D |
| 14:21.46 | greenday | keith4: is there malware in the adobe's deb? |
| 14:21.52 | kingsley | Is it common for the "host" command to return two different IP addresses for the same domain name a few hours after updating the "A" record at Network Solutions? |
| 14:22.09 | keith4 | mastro: http://get.adobe.com/reader/otherversions/ |
| 14:23.07 | greenday | keith4: my envice can read all pdf files i need so far |
| 14:23.14 | chemistrydioxide | greenday: yes, there is. if you try to print a stamp with adobe reader, it will print a blank page and tell the DRM server that you have printed it, so you can't print it again |
| 14:23.17 | keith4 | greenday: congrats |
| 14:23.39 | mastro | keith4, thank you |
| 14:23.40 | greenday | drm is evil |
| 14:23.47 | chemistrydioxide | greenday: amen. |
| 14:23.50 | abrotman | okay, he has the adobe reader .. can we move along? |
| 14:24.08 | mastro | greenday, actually... drm is a technology, HOW made it and pushed for it is evil |
| 14:24.13 | mastro | ups |
| 14:24.18 | mastro | s/HOW/WHO/ |
| 14:24.22 | tech | stew: same exact issue using cifs and user and pass. |
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| 14:24.31 | greenday | mastro: fraud is a tech too |
| 14:24.33 | karlpinc | kingsley: DNS caches results. The time varies depending on how it's configured. |
| 14:24.51 | chemistrydioxide | that means that deutsche post ag is evil... they used to use DRM for stamps |
| 14:25.00 | keith4 | tech: what is this pastebin showing me? |
| 14:25.40 | greenday | the evil of drm is that it don't tell users there is drm inside |
| 14:25.59 | chemistrydioxide | maybe i should have sent a mail bomb to DPAG for using DRM... (this is a joke) |
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| 14:26.04 | chemistrydioxide | wait |
| 14:26.15 | tech | keith4: todos will not access files over my smaba mount |
| 14:26.19 | tech | but every other program will. |
| 14:26.22 | greenday | this is like somebody is living in your house and you don't know him |
| 14:26.25 | chemistrydioxide | i would have needed to buy a stamp for that which would have meant using DRM |
| 14:26.26 | tech | vi over that same moutn and no issue. |
| 14:26.26 | keith4 | tech: neat trick |
| 14:26.42 | tech | i can modify/delete/add |
| 14:26.53 | tech | but todos does not work. tells me it acannot access. |
| 14:27.00 | tech | iw ish i could find an old copy of unix2dos. |
| 14:27.05 | tech | that was wht i was using. |
| 14:27.16 | tech | then after upgrade it got replace.d |
| 14:27.23 | tech | but todos is not working right. |
| 14:27.24 | mastro | greenday, yes, in some way it is |
| 14:27.32 | keith4 | wonder what sort of non-posix file IO it's doing...? ;-) |
| 14:28.02 | mastro | greenday, and if you know the fraud technology you'll avoid it easily :) |
| 14:28.05 | tech | problem is this is production box and i am down at the moment (for updates at least) |
| 14:28.06 | greenday | mastro: this is the most annoying part of drm |
| 14:28.09 | tech | very fustrating. |
| 14:28.15 | keith4 | tech: did you strace it? |
| 14:28.20 | tech | yes sir. |
| 14:28.32 | keith4 | is that pastebin'd somewhere? |
| 14:28.33 | tech | uid loks good 0660 on the dir |
| 14:28.38 | tech | yup scroll up a bit. |
| 14:28.43 | greenday | msantana: fraud is a talent in fact, this is a quote |
| 14:28.46 | tech | i had stat on file |
| 14:28.53 | tech | and previous pastebin before that is starce |
| 14:29.01 | keith4 | got it |
| 14:29.32 | mastro | lol... adobe acrobat, installation-crash time: 4 minutes and 32 seconds |
| 14:29.57 | keith4 | tech: so it's failing on write, no? |
| 14:30.18 | tech | well todos makes a temp file then copies over it (i am guessing) |
| 14:30.25 | stew | not according to the strace |
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| 14:30.32 | stew | tech: really, why not just use sed |
| 14:30.40 | tech | to convert? |
| 14:30.42 | stew | yes |
| 14:30.47 | tech | shit why not.. |
| 14:30.56 | tech | over samab mount? |
| 14:31.05 | tech | what would the line be then? |
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| 14:31.37 | stew | tech: for which direction? |
| 14:31.38 | tech | sed 's/$'"/`echo \\\r`/" input.txt > output.txt |
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| 14:32.14 | tech | stew: if i wanted to make that into a command. |
| 14:32.14 | stew | to dos? |
| 14:32.21 | tech | yeah. |
| 14:32.36 | tech | like, i want to make script called unix2dos which does that on those to params. |
| 14:32.54 | tech | i guess. unix2dos: sed 's/$'"/`echo \\\r`/" %1 > %2 ? |
| 14:32.54 | stew | sed -i 's/$/\r/' filename |
| 14:33.02 | stew | there is no need to use echo |
| 14:33.14 | tech | ok now to put that in a script? |
| 14:33.30 | stew | do you want to create a new file, or replace the original? |
| 14:33.39 | tech | replace orig |
| 14:33.56 | jelly-home | how does sed -i fare in low disk space conditions? |
| 14:33.57 | tech | basically want to just leave my existing scripts alone and create a enw command called unix2dos which runs sed |
| 14:34.03 | stew | alias unix2dos='sed -i \'s/$/\r/\'' |
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| 14:34.44 | stew | jelly-home: it doesn't actually do an in-place edit, it creates a new file and does a rename |
| 14:34.52 | stew | iirc |
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| 14:39.13 | atula | hello. I have a raid1 set with 2 SATA drive. When assembled.. it works perfectly... however, sometime when I reboot, the raid cannot find the devices... and I have reassemble them. when assembled, they are synched BUT has a read-only label on them. I could mount and access files etc, as normal. What am I doing wrong? |
| 14:39.28 | tech | stew: how can i make unix2dos run sed with one parmater and fo rit to copy over itself. |
| 14:39.52 | stew | tech: "unix2dos filename" |
| 14:39.56 | chemistrydioxide | atula: what do you mean by "raid cannot find the devices"? |
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| 14:40.07 | tech | right, $1 > $1 so it outputs to itself? |
| 14:40.15 | chemistrydioxide | atula: is the raid device gone or are the physical devices gone? |
| 14:40.21 | stew | tech: no, $1 > $1 will do bad things |
| 14:40.29 | atula | chemistrydioxide: raid gone.. devices are still there |
| 14:40.30 | stew | tech: man sed and look at -i |
| 14:40.37 | atula | that's why Ic ould reassemble them again and it would work as normal |
| 14:40.47 | atula | it's not like 1 drive is popped out... but BOTH drives aren't found |
| 14:40.58 | atula | which is very scary to me if I have to deal with it each reboot |
| 14:41.02 | chemistrydioxide | tech, stew: not neccessarily |
| 14:41.09 | stew | chemistrydioxide: not necessarily what? |
| 14:41.14 | dav1d1 | wohooooooooooo |
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| 14:41.22 | dav1d1 | my debian works again^^ |
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| 14:41.45 | stew | chemistrydioxide: you mean it "sed 's/something/otherthing/' somefile > somefile" won't always do something bad? |
| 14:41.54 | atula | chemistrydioxide: and then obviously the fscheck would fail on the md |
| 14:42.03 | tech | stew: tells me no input files. mysyatnx must be off. |
| 14:42.12 | chemistrydioxide | stew, tech: if $1 is not in . but in path, "$1 > $1" will not output to itself. |
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| 14:42.29 | stew | chemistrydioxide: > somefile will truncate somefile, probably before its completely read by sed |
| 14:42.44 | chemistrydioxide | stew, tech: also $1 might create a valid executable |
| 14:42.49 | stew | ? |
| 14:42.53 | tech | sed 's/$/\r/' -i somefile no? |
| 14:43.22 | stew | tech: yes |
| 14:43.32 | atula | anyone else give me some insights ? |
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| 14:44.02 | tech | stew: so i took that and put in unix2dos and unixs2dos is now in /usr/bin |
| 14:44.15 | tech | so shouldn't i be able to do unix2dos /mnt/thatpath/thatfile |
| 14:44.16 | tech | ??? |
| 14:44.21 | tech | tells me no inut files. |
| 14:44.31 | stew | tech: can you show me the contents of unix2dos? |
| 14:44.31 | atula | hello. I have a raid1 set with 2 SATA drive. When assembled.. it works perfectly... however, sometime when I reboot, the raid cannot find the devices... and I have reassemble them. when assembled, they are synched BUT has a read-only label on them. I could mount and access files etc, as normal. What am I doing wrong? |
| 14:44.42 | tech | stew: just sed 's/$/\r/' -i |
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| 14:45.04 | tech | no other contents |
| 14:45.07 | tech | just |
| 14:45.08 | tech | sed 's/$/\r/' -i |
| 14:45.30 | homie | is there a way for me to upgrade the common-lisp-controller package to the version of the testing release, without getting in all the dependencies ? |
| 14:45.52 | homie | or do i have to use apt-src for that ? or some such |
| 14:47.24 | atula | anyone have some time to give me some insights on my raid issues? |
| 14:47.28 | stew | tech: yeah, you never gave it any filenames. you'd want something like: sed 's/$/\r/' -i "%@" |
| 14:47.35 | stew | err |
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| 14:47.59 | stew | sed 's/$/\r/' -i "$@" |
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| 14:48.40 | atula | mdadm --assemble --scan it says, no devices found for /dev/md2. but if I do a create, it finds devices. what gives? |
| 14:48.44 | stew | homie: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 14:49.23 | atula | can it be that my drives aren't detected automatically ? |
| 14:50.34 | tech | stew: after running that it acrtually changed the permissions.. |
| 14:50.37 | tech | check thsi out. |
| 14:50.44 | tech | -r--r----- 1 root root 0 Oct 8 10:49 /mnt/dataserver2/mis/MIS-Info/onlineordering/jobschnw.txt |
| 14:50.52 | tech | didn't out data either |
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| 14:53.24 | tech | i think that was why i originally did not use sed. |
| 14:53.27 | tech | it changes permissions. |
| 14:54.17 | keith4 | atula: are you using the entire drives for soft raid, or are they partitioned? |
| 14:54.31 | keith4 | atula: and if they're partitioned, are they of type 'linux raid autodetect'? |
| 14:54.49 | atula | keith4: they are |
| 14:54.54 | atula | linux raid autodetect |
| 14:55.04 | keith4 | tech: it is not changing permissions. it is writing a new file, using your default create mask |
| 14:55.05 | atula | 2 drives.. entire drives for raid 1 |
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| 14:55.25 | keith4 | atula: so which is it? entire drives? or partitions? |
| 14:55.27 | atula | the os drives has its own raid 1. |
| 14:55.38 | keith4 | pastebin 'fdisk -l' |
| 14:55.40 | tech | keith4: dir_mode=0770,file_mode=0660,workgroup=RCC,rw |
| 14:55.47 | tech | wouldn't that be my default? |
| 14:55.58 | tech | that's on the mount. |
| 14:56.28 | tech | i guess if i fixed that todos would probbaly work? |
| 14:56.45 | atula | keith4: http://pastie.org/private/xqpkql97911gpcmzwz8uw |
| 14:57.13 | atula | perhaps I've mistakened somewhere |
| 14:57.17 | keith4 | atula: ok. how about mdadm.conf? |
| 14:57.59 | atula | keith4: http://pastie.org/private/xqpkql97911gpcmzwz8uw it is now at the bottom |
| 14:59.40 | keith4 | atula: so md0 is sda1 + sdb1, md1 is sda3 + sdb3, md2 is sdc1 + sdd1? |
| 14:59.49 | atula | keith4: yes |
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| 15:00.14 | atula | they're all linux raid autodetect which I created when I installed debian for the first time, keith4 |
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| 15:03.24 | atula | keith4: should I have created the partition? I thought linux raid autodetect ARE partitions already |
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| 15:05.53 | atula | and how come in fdisk -l, it's complaining that my mds (/dev/md1 and /dev/md0) don't contain a valid partition table? |
| 15:06.00 | atula | keith4: ^ |
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| 15:09.44 | tech | ok guys i need to focus on the mount here. |
| 15:09.48 | tech | because |
| 15:10.38 | project2501a | tech: breath in. breath out, daniel-san |
| 15:10.47 | project2501a | wax on. wax off. |
| 15:10.58 | atula | hello. can someone give me a hand with my raid issue? linux raid autodetect, fdisk - l shows the drives, but the raid cannot detect them (mdadm --assemble --scan it says, no devices found for /dev/md2). But if I create them manually, it works. But I don't want to deal with this everyboot up. any help or insights would be much appreciated. |
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| 15:12.11 | atula | here's my fdisk and mdadm.conf: http://pastie.org/private/xqpkql97911gpcmzwz8uw |
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| 15:14.42 | keith4 | atula: that's normal |
| 15:15.08 | keith4 | the md devices show up as disks, and fdisk is just confused about why the don't have partition tables |
| 15:15.22 | keith4 | atula: show us the full --assemble line you're trying to run |
| 15:15.49 | atula | keith4: mdadm --assemble --scan >>> mdadm: no devices found for /dev/md2 |
| 15:16.46 | keith4 | atula: interesting. what happens if you specific sdc1 and sdd1 instead of using 'scan'? |
| 15:17.23 | atula | exactly! |
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| 15:17.40 | atula | and when it's assembled, I have the whole: "read-only" bit |
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| 15:18.29 | atula | keith4: that's why it's so frustration, I'm not sure when I am doing wrong! |
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| 15:19.31 | atula | auto-read-only issue |
| 15:19.44 | keith4 | try giving --assemble the uuid? |
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| 15:21.01 | atula | keith4: well, if I was doign that, then isn't that no difference from just assemling the raid by calling the devices directly? /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdd1 |
| 15:21.02 | atula | ? |
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| 15:21.31 | keith4 | atula: it shouldn't make a difference |
| 15:21.57 | atula | exactly, then my issues isn't addressed perhaps |
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| 15:23.05 | atula | keith4: http://pastie.org/private/sffsgcvrg1t5pcmcggg |
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| 15:24.40 | keith4 | at0m: you need -u or --uuid |
| 15:25.17 | keith4 | at0m: sorry |
| 15:25.21 | keith4 | atula: you need -u or --uuid |
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| 15:28.29 | atula | keith4: http://pastie.org/private/lrkk8zfusvkoodbr09rqjg |
| 15:28.47 | keith4 | that's... not great |
| 15:29.00 | NOMADICUS | Hello I installed the flgrx driver following the procedures on this page: < http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary >. How do I check to see that I did it properly? |
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| 15:29.05 | keith4 | and it's "--uuid" |
| 15:29.15 | joxer | anyone use apt-build with llvm? |
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| 15:29.58 | keith4 | NOMADICUS: you change your xorg.conf to use 'fglrx' and see if X starts |
| 15:30.07 | keith4 | as in step 5/6 |
| 15:30.57 | atula | keith4: since this is pretty new, I mean I don't mind redoing it again. but I need to understand why this is happening. |
| 15:31.06 | atula | I haven't put much into the drives just yet |
| 15:31.09 | keith4 | atula: well... why did it fail in the first place? |
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| 15:31.16 | keith4 | e.g. why do you need to re-assemble it? |
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| 15:31.39 | NOMADICUS | keith4: So I guess it worked than. Thanks! |
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| 15:32.03 | atula | keith4: well I created the md from when I was installing. then I put lvm on it. but later foudn it be annoying so I remove the lvm. and proceed on just making it a raid1 thing |
| 15:32.07 | keith4 | NOMADICUS: you can also examine /var/log/Xorg.0.log and look for the fglrx output |
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| 15:33.15 | keith4 | atula: ...how exactly did you remove lvm and make it just a raid1? |
| 15:33.18 | coonlokht | hi |
| 15:33.31 | coonlokht | i just deleted /var/run/samba |
| 15:33.54 | coonlokht | how can i reinstall samba paquage to retreave the deleted directory ? |
| 15:34.04 | atula | keith4: remove the lv, remove the vgroup. and then assemble the raid1.. make it ext3 and synched |
| 15:34.54 | tomodachi | coonlokht: sure you need it? /var/run/ sounds fairly temporary |
| 15:35.17 | coonlokht | tomodachi: yep |
| 15:35.30 | coonlokht | tomodachi: it's necessary |
| 15:35.34 | tomodachi | coonlokht: check the aptitude manual i guess |
| 15:35.39 | keith4 | atula: hmmm. dunno. perhaps that process messed up md2? |
| 15:35.41 | coonlokht | already done |
| 15:35.51 | atula | keith4: how should I rectify this issue? |
| 15:35.59 | atula | I could redo the md from the beginning |
| 15:36.02 | coonlokht | i tried some solutions |
| 15:36.08 | keith4 | atula: if that's an option, go for it |
| 15:36.10 | coonlokht | but in vain |
| 15:36.24 | atula | keith4: what is the process? I thought I did it correctly, but I dunno. |
| 15:36.25 | keith4 | as long as there's no data you need on there... it's probably a safer approach than trying to use a questionable array |
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| 15:36.47 | atula | keith4: yeah. do I need to reinstall debian again? |
| 15:36.52 | keith4 | atula: no no no |
| 15:36.58 | atula | or the os drives shouldn't have anything to do with theot her raid set |
| 15:37.04 | keith4 | correct |
| 15:37.14 | keith4 | try to 'create' a new array, with those devices |
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| 15:37.21 | atula | okay |
| 15:37.39 | akr | hi all! |
| 15:37.49 | keith4 | if it complains that they're already part of a different array, you can just dd 1M of /dev/zero over sdc1 and sdd1 and try again. that's almost certainly not the most correct way to do it, but it should work |
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| 15:38.09 | keith4 | be very careful, if you do that, and double-check your syntax before doing it |
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| 15:38.42 | akr | one of my harddiscs of my software-raid0 was disconnected overnight, I just connected it again. cat /proc/mdstat says: md0 : active raid1 sda1[0] |
| 15:38.43 | akr | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:39.01 | akr | shouldn't it restart rebuild automatically? |
| 15:39.25 | akr | or how I can start rebuilding manually? |
| 15:39.27 | atula | keith4: interesting: http://pastie.org/private/ko7lvws58ggdutb2hza |
| 15:40.07 | keith4 | atula: ok. so what happened when you tried to assemble md2 and specify those 2 partitions? |
| 15:40.48 | atula | keith4: http://pastie.org/private/wr6v7kjqsbcoet2iedfpq |
| 15:40.50 | atula | I get that |
| 15:40.52 | keith4 | akr: you might need to add the other partition (sdb1?) back into the array |
| 15:41.06 | atula | I usually kickstart it with "--run" so it can resynch most of the time |
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| 15:41.14 | jelly-home | keith4: the correct way is mdadm --misc --zero-superblock /path/to/former/md/member/device |
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| 15:41.26 | keith4 | jelly-home: yah, i figured there was a correct way ;-) |
| 15:41.33 | keith4 | atula: what jelly-home said ^ |
| 15:41.49 | akr | keith4: sda and sdb are connected |
| 15:41.49 | keith4 | atula: if there are no problems, it's supposed to 'run' automatically |
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| 15:41.57 | atula | I know. |
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| 15:42.13 | jelly-home | keith4: formats 0.9 and 1.0 keep the metadata at the end of the device; overwriting the beginning won't do |
| 15:42.14 | atula | so what should I do? redo this whole raid? |
| 15:42.30 | atula | it's pretty new |
| 15:42.41 | keith4 | jelly-home: ah, good to know. shows when the last time i had to re-do a software raid was |
| 15:42.42 | atula | I just build this server to be my home server/ fileshare and such |
| 15:42.56 | atula | I could redo the whole thing again |
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| 15:43.59 | keith4 | atula: if you're sure you don't need any data on md2, do what jelly-home suggested and re-create the array |
| 15:44.32 | atula | mdadm --misc --zero-superblock /path/to/former/md/member/device what does that do exactly ? |
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| 15:45.07 | keith4 | zeros the superblock? read the mdadm man page for details |
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| 15:46.02 | akr | keith4, thank you, just tried mdadm /dev/md1 -a /dev/sdb2; mdadm /dev/md0 -a /dev/sdb1; it looks good again |
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| 15:46.31 | keith4 | akr: make sure it's re-synching |
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| 15:47.37 | akr | keith4, md0 seem to be ok: md0 : active raid1 sdb1[1] sda1[0] |
| 15:47.37 | akr | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:47.53 | akr | keith4, md1 is still processing |
| 15:48.01 | keith4 | akr: ok |
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| 15:50.27 | atula | keith4: okay so from my reading. zero super block is destroying the raid by writing 0 |
| 15:50.39 | atula | isn this to make recreating of the raid more pure ? |
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| 15:51.05 | istevenmon | hi guys anyone here uses vrrpd? i cant seem to understand how the -auth flag needs to be set. please help |
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| 15:51.47 | keith4 | atula: this is to let you re-use raid partitions... as in, stop mdadm from complaining that they're already part of a raid |
| 15:52.54 | linduxed | so i've got a box that hasn't got the deluser script/command, so what are the steps for completely removing a user? |
| 15:52.54 | atula | keith4: hmm... the raid is resynching now |
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| 15:53.06 | atula | keith4: should I stop it and reassemble it again ? |
| 15:53.20 | keith4 | no? |
| 15:53.51 | atula | even if it's resynched... I feel like rebooting it will still get me back to the same spot... it's complaining that raid cannot find devices |
| 15:54.34 | atula | man. I don't know what I did wrong... I did each step carefully, and I feel less and less comfortable with my array. |
| 15:54.35 | keith4 | atula: after it's resynch'd, run mdadm --detail --scan and make sure the output matches what's in mdadm.conf |
| 15:55.11 | atula | 2 scenarios.... what happens if it matches and what happens if it doesn't ? |
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| 15:55.36 | atula | if it doesn't match I need to fix my mdadm.conf |
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| 15:55.46 | atula | if it matches... I'm in for some mysteries ? |
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| 15:57.23 | tholl583xx | one of my debian boxes has been crashy lately, and the raid controller was replace, is there a tool that I can run from command line that will stress it until it crashes? |
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| 16:00.51 | karlpinc | tholl583xx: bonnie++ ? |
| 16:01.04 | tholl583xx | karlpinc: I am giving that a run as we speak |
| 16:01.07 | karlpinc | tholl583xx: badblocks? |
| 16:01.16 | tholl583xx | not crashed yet ;-) |
| 16:01.41 | karlpinc | tholl583xx: No, there's a badblocks program in the ext2fs (?) package. |
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| 16:05.29 | istevenmon | hi guys anyone here uses vrrpd? i cant seem to understand how the -auth flag needs to be set. please help |
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| 16:21.55 | istevenmon | how is the best way to check internet connectivity ? |
| 16:22.38 | babilen | istevenmon: various methods, i would start with ping |
| 16:23.04 | istevenmon | babilen: but i dont think the host being pinged would like to be pinged all day long 24/7 |
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| 16:23.23 | bolt | where's the setting that keeps putting "root: bolt" into my /etc/aliases file? i don't want an alias for root. i fetch root's mail separately |
| 16:23.45 | babilen | istevenmon: but who would ping 24/7 anyway? |
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| 16:23.55 | Jarvis | r/win 30 |
| 16:23.58 | Jarvis | oops ,fail |
| 16:24.40 | gnarface | hello everybody. today i'd like to talk about memory leaks. is it normal for a hardware-accelerated 3d graphics program, when leaky, to not free all its memory on exit? I have discovered that i have to exit X completely to free the memory. help? |
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| 16:28.55 | istevenmon | babilen: so how should the logic be? i want it to check internet connection all the time |
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| 16:33.21 | bolt | gnarface: how do you see the memory is not freed? |
| 16:33.42 | gnarface | bolt: watch -n1 free -mt |
| 16:34.39 | bolt | gnarface: and you're sure the memory isn't spent on buffers/cache? does it go up more if you run and quit the application again? |
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| 16:36.59 | gnarface | bolt: yes the eventual conclusion as the free memory amount approaches 0 is an increasingly heavy saturation of disk IO, crippling of the program's interface and eventually a complete freeze of the system, requiring a manual or magic sysrq reboot |
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| 16:38.44 | Faustus | anyone remember an apt front end that was hosted or developed by a Canadian initiative? |
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| 16:39.49 | Faustus | I keep on running into Wajig on google but I don't think that was it. |
| 16:40.21 | Faustus | and certainly wasn't synaptic |
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| 16:40.38 | stew | Faustus: we're probably more likely to recognize it based on its features than on its country of origin |
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| 16:42.43 | Faustus | yeah, I just don't recall it doing anything special (installed, deinstalled, and upgraded and dist-upgraded), just that it was an alternative to aptitude or apt-get |
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| 16:43.54 | stew | gdebi? |
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| 16:45.04 | stew | wajig? |
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| 16:45.57 | chee | do the debian netinstall images use parted or fdisk? |
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| 16:48.38 | stew | chee: by default it uses partman which was written specifically for the installer, though it appears to link against libparted |
| 16:48.47 | Faustus | I see Wajig uses apt-get (some of the time). I wonder how the fact that apt-get has practically been left aside for aptitude affects the way Wajig works --considering Wajig is just a wrapper. |
| 16:49.11 | chee | stew: oh fabulous, thanks. |
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| 16:49.24 | Faustus | and aptitude seems to do most things these days |
| 16:49.29 | chee | that means it should handle a gpt okay |
| 16:49.59 | simonrvn | it's a dialogue-y parted ;p |
| 16:50.13 | simonrvn | trimmed down for d-i of course |
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| 16:50.36 | simonrvn | (to put it simply) |
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| 16:52.06 | istevenmon | can i use iptables to check out how many packages are not reaching its destination ? |
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| 16:54.36 | abrotman | istevenmon: packets you mean? |
| 16:54.50 | istevenmon | abrotman: yes sorry |
| 16:55.10 | abrotman | istevenmon: that's more of a network monitor thing |
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| 16:55.34 | chee | if my disk has an mbr, but partman is convinced it's GPT |
| 16:55.57 | chee | i should be able to fix it by writing over the last couple of gigabytes of the disk, right? |
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| 17:13.37 | wildc4rd | evenin' all! |
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| 17:17.25 | lenswipe2 | guys |
| 17:17.31 | lenswipe2 | when will squeeze be stable? |
| 17:18.02 | themill | !siyh |
| 17:18.03 | dpkg | [siyh] Sooner If You Help. How? http://qa.debian.org/ , http://wiki.debian.org/BSP |
| 17:18.05 | Rockj | Anyone using debian testing (squeeze) and users authenticating over ldap (sshd/pam) ? I'm having troubles having it accept public keys in .ssh/authorized_keys . Seems to be a problem with ldap users as it works for non-ldap users. |
| 17:18.49 | lenswipe2 | themill, id love to help, unfortunately im a web application coder, so i dont think id be much use |
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| 17:19.00 | damasceno | Somebody here already did install the red5? |
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| 17:19.31 | themill | lenswipe2: you can see if you can reproduce bugs; some of the bugs are in things written in php/ruby/pylons etc too. |
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| 17:20.14 | lenswipe2 | themill, id be happy to help debug php bugs |
| 17:20.29 | lenswipe2 | themill, is debian squeeze meant to be the sort of "windows 7" of debian |
| 17:20.51 | lenswipe2 | ie the one with all the new drives and fixes and stuff |
| 17:21.04 | lenswipe2 | also how does lenny compare to ubuntu for driver support? |
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| 17:22.53 | stew | lenswipe2: you could look for php bugs here: http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=both |
| 17:23.09 | stew | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=596646 |
| 17:23.13 | lenswipe2 | stew, are they using a framework or is it just plain PHP? |
| 17:23.25 | stew | lenswipe2: which? sork? |
| 17:23.28 | lenswipe2 | no |
| 17:23.33 | lenswipe2 | the top one |
| 17:23.34 | Rockj | NFS issue? this is really weird behaviour : http://pastebin.ca/1957689 |
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| 17:23.48 | stew | lenswipe2: the top one is a list of bugs holding up the release |
| 17:23.53 | lenswipe2 | ah |
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| 17:26.04 | lenswipe2 | stew, so will debian contain alot of new drivers and stuff? |
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| 17:27.31 | gnarface | should i disable "AMD Live!" in linux? |
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| 17:28.53 | stew | lenswipe2: i haven't really been paying attention. its going from a 2.6.26 kernel to a 2.6.32 kernel, and it gets whatever drivers come with that |
| 17:29.13 | lenswipe2 | i see |
| 17:29.29 | lenswipe2 | when will debian get the 2.7 kernel? |
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| 17:29.57 | KB1JWQ | lenswipe2: Probably once it actually exists? |
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| 17:31.22 | JodaZ | i am getting a error when trying to dpkg -i a kernel .deb i just built |
| 17:31.23 | JodaZ | Error setting debconf flags in linux-image-2.6.35.5-modsouprt/preinst/initrd-2.6.35.5-modsouprt: linux-image-2.6.35.5-modsouprt/preinst/initrd-2.6.35.5-modsouprt doesn't exist at /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/preinst line 215, <STDIN> line 3. |
| 17:31.29 | JodaZ | anyone knows what that is ? |
| 17:31.42 | lenswipe2 | KB1JWQ, i thought it did exist |
| 17:31.46 | lenswipe2 | hmm |
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| 17:34.28 | jelly-home | JodaZ: how exactly did you create the linux-image-2.6.35.5-modsouprt package? Did you forget to add --initrd option for make-kpkg but still built a kernel with module support? |
| 17:34.30 | KB1JWQ | lenswipe2: 2.6.27? Sure. 2.7? Plz to be smarter. |
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| 17:34.49 | JodaZ | make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot --initrd kernel_image kernel_headers |
| 17:34.51 | JodaZ | jelly-home |
| 17:34.55 | lenswipe2 | KB1JWQ, i dont keep ontop of kernel releases |
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| 17:35.04 | jelly-home | JodaZ: hm, that seems ok |
| 17:35.08 | KB1JWQ | lenswipe2: http://kernel.org |
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| 17:35.31 | KB1JWQ | 2.6 has existed for six years or so. It's not a matter of "staying on top of it." :-) |
| 17:35.33 | JodaZ | jelly-home, the machine didn't have module support before, do i need any additional packages for that, and will lilo even boot a kernel with modulesupport right ? |
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| 17:35.43 | KB1JWQ | eyes GuKK_devel |
| 17:35.44 | lenswipe2 | KB1JWQ, my "not keeping up to kenel releases" is born of lack of giving a damn, not lack of ability |
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| 17:36.23 | jelly-home | JodaZ: does the package install after that or does the installation fail? |
| 17:36.31 | tech | stew: you know what it endded up being? |
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| 17:36.39 | tech | Owner |
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| 17:36.48 | tech | it did not like the owner on the other side. |
| 17:37.22 | JodaZ | jelly-home, well, i would expect a kernel image in /boot, there is none, also, remove reports it is not installed |
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| 17:38.05 | jelly-home | JodaZ: the latter, then. I have no idea why make-kpkg has built a seemingly broken package |
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| 17:39.17 | jelly-home | JodaZ: do you actually need any modules for boot? If you don't, you can try building it without --initrd, see if that works around whatever bug you're triggering |
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| 17:39.54 | JodaZ | make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image kernel_headers |
| 17:40.00 | JodaZ | did not give me any .deb's |
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| 17:40.19 | atula | keith4: still around? the raids are resynching, but when I did mdadm --detail --scan, the uuid for my md2 is different from the mdadm.conf |
| 17:40.48 | JodaZ | jelly-home, how do i build without initrd, i don't want that in fact |
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| 17:41.06 | jelly-home | JodaZ: well, you'd just skip that option |
| 17:41.14 | JodaZ | as i said, doesn't work |
| 17:41.19 | JodaZ | make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image kernel_headers |
| 17:41.25 | JodaZ | runs thru but gives no .deb's |
| 17:41.43 | keith4 | atula: that would explain why it wouldn't assemble by itself ;-) |
| 17:41.47 | jelly-home | JodaZ: can you provide the complete output? |
| 17:42.01 | atula | keith4: so you think that by fixing that, it should be okay on startup ? |
| 17:42.05 | keith4 | yes |
| 17:42.42 | JodaZ | jelly-home, i did make-kpkg clean; so it will need to compile some |
| 17:42.59 | jelly-home | atula: /usr/share/mdadm/mkconf to generate an updated mdadm.conf |
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| 17:44.16 | atula | cool thank you jelly-home. does this happen often ? |
| 17:44.58 | jelly-home | atula: I guess you should update it when you create new arrays or grow existing ones |
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| 18:08.52 | gnarface | is there a way to check my motherboard bios version from inside linux? like without rebooting? |
| 18:09.26 | dondelelcaro | gnarface: dmidecode |
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| 18:12.36 | gnarface | dondelelcaro: thanks! |
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| 18:14.00 | dondelelcaro | gnarface: np |
| 18:14.26 | dondelelcaro | (note that it may not be correct if the bios manufacturer is insane, but it's the closest you'll be able to get) |
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| 18:17.53 | fxkr | hi. i just installed a brand new debian/testing, opened System->Admin->Software Sources, checked the unfree repos, closed, opened that program again, now the repo selection checkboxes didnt work anymore, but the repos were now in the Misc tab. removed them from there, closed, tried to open the program again, but nothing happens... does anyone have any directions on how to fix this? |
| 18:18.30 | Jarvis | hmm, sounds like your sources.list file is a bit messed up |
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| 18:18.38 | kvnn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:19.02 | Jarvis | i would try manually editing /etc/apt/sources.list (sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list) |
| 18:19.08 | fxkr | Jarvis: i suspect that too; its only got the CD lines in it now, how can i regenerate the file? |
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| 18:19.48 | Jarvis | fxkr: http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ |
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| 18:19.53 | Jarvis | will generate you a sources.list file |
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| 18:22.54 | fxkr | Jarvis: thanks, that worked. The Software Sources still shows them under the Third Party tab though, but meh, i can live with that |
| 18:23.19 | Jarvis | :) np |
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| 18:30.20 | gnarface | so why would memory leaked, that only is leaked by a specific program during a reproduceable action, not be freed until you exit X completely? |
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| 18:32.49 | dutchfish | gnarface: use ldd and strace to find out if possible |
| 18:33.20 | gnarface | dutchfish: i'm not sure i'm qualified |
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| 18:34.21 | dutchfish | gnarface: well, dig in and read the info/man and consider it an exercise |
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| 18:35.29 | gnarface | dutchfish: ok :( |
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| 18:35.58 | dutchfish | gnarface: start with the logs on your system to find artifacts |
| 18:36.11 | spink | hi, is it safe enough for a public IP desktop to run sshd & ftpd on testing rather on stable ? problem is that all the gui stuff in stable are kinda old and users want new stuff |
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| 18:36.33 | lacroix | gnarface: because there's no automatic garbage collection |
| 18:36.38 | gnarface | dutchfish: artifacts? i know which program is doing it. i just don't know why killing the program doesn't fix it |
| 18:37.17 | dutchfish | gnarface: wich program, vesion and your debian version? |
| 18:37.26 | dutchfish | s/vesion/version |
| 18:37.37 | gnarface | debian sid (but it was happening in squeeze too) |
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| 18:38.14 | dutchfish | i gues more specifics would be welcome |
| 18:38.17 | gnarface | the program is a 3d graphics program (a popular video game) running through a commercial fork of wine |
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| 18:38.51 | gnarface | whats weird though is that since the leaked memory doesn't free until i exit X completely, it seems like the leak must be actually in X, even though its only caused by this one program |
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| 18:39.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, I just had crw------- 1 root root on /dev/fuse on a fresh install that was updated from lenny->squeeze |
| 18:39.16 | dutchfish | gnarface: what happens when you just restart X? |
| 18:39.58 | gnarface | dutchfish: i don't know how to do that. i'm not running gdm. i can restart my window manager (e16) but that doesn't do anything |
| 18:40.36 | gnarface | dutchfish: there's a way to restart X without exiting completely or running a graphical login manager? |
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| 18:43.07 | lacroix | gnarface: is it is continuous leak? if you keep repeating the action, does the memory allocated keep getting larger? or does it happen just one time? |
| 18:43.09 | jelly-home | gnarface: the app way be excercising paths in the 3D driver that expose bugs |
| 18:43.10 | dutchfish | gnarface: with gdm or kdm i know you can crtl-alt-backspace to restart, i am not confident with yours |
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| 18:43.50 | jelly-home | may* be |
| 18:44.06 | gnarface | dutchfish: without them that just bails out forcefully |
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| 18:44.57 | gnarface | lacroix: yes, if i repeat the action the free memory total will eventually get to 0 and the disk IO goes through the roof and the system grinds to a halt, then i have to reboot by power button or magic sysrq key |
| 18:45.25 | dutchfish | gnarface: what happens (done as root) when you: echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches && sync && sync ? |
| 18:45.46 | gnarface | jelly-home: i guess that makes sense. unfortunately this has persisted across several versions of my 3d graphics drivers though |
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| 18:46.01 | jelly-home | gnarface: free or nonfree drivers? |
| 18:46.11 | gnarface | jelly-home: non-free :( |
| 18:46.20 | dutchfish | ouch |
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| 18:46.21 | gnarface | jelly-home: my card doesn't have free 3d drivers |
| 18:46.53 | jelly-home | gnarface: use windows! |
| 18:47.03 | gnarface | jelly-home: :-p |
| 18:47.14 | gnarface | dutchfish: what is supposed to happen? |
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| 18:47.49 | abrotman | gnarface: can you see if the same happens using free 2d drivers? |
| 18:47.58 | dutchfish | gnarface: well, your cache is being written out and mem cleared, just to make sure this is not cache you are looking at |
| 18:48.15 | gnarface | abrotman: since it's a 3d graphics program causing it, no. |
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| 18:48.38 | gnarface | dutchfish: that freed the memory!! |
| 18:48.44 | gnarface | dutchfish: holy crap. |
| 18:48.51 | dutchfish | there you go |
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| 18:48.59 | runa | heyas. I suspect there's something wrong with my disks. I'm not sure what is it, but I see weird things like this (def after_initialize |
| 18:49.02 | runa | # Memoize search counts per search_id |
| 18:49.05 | runa | @search_count_per_search_id = {} |
| 18:49.08 | runa | end |
| 18:49.10 | runa | aj |
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| 18:49.21 | WALoeIII | is there a script or something that will build a package development tree |
| 18:49.38 | gnarface | dutchfish: i have two questions: 1) should i echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches after that when i'm done? 2) is that dangerous to do while said program is actually running? (the leaked memory had been sitting there taking up space since last night) |
| 18:49.39 | runa | sorry. Again, I see weird things like 'nothing reading or writing but disks used @ 100%" http://pastebin.ca/1957723 |
| 18:49.39 | WALoeIII | like rpmdev tools it makes you a little rpmbuild folder with the expected subfolders and what not |
| 18:50.04 | dutchfish | gnarface: 1) no 2) no |
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| 18:50.42 | dutchfish | gnarface: if you want to know the knitty gritty about it read the kernel-docs, gl |
| 18:50.53 | gnarface | dutchfish: thanks |
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| 18:52.07 | dutchfish | gnarface: one warning, clearing cache makes some programs start/run slower because they need to relaod it from disk, so use this only for testing |
| 18:52.44 | dutchfish | gnarface: linux is not windows ;) |
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| 18:54.49 | gnarface | dutchfish: should i be running sync first? |
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| 18:54.57 | dutchfish | gnarface: no |
| 18:55.30 | gnarface | dutchfish: google says so :( |
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| 18:57.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | should I file a bugreport on that? |
| 18:57.17 | dutchfish | gnarface: then google is wrong, prove it by reading kernels-docs and delve into it ;) |
| 18:57.58 | _anonymouse | Hello, I run 'testing' and I have been getting this error since past 12 hrs. http://pastebin.com/z7CuT1Ri |
| 18:59.27 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat: mine is: crw------- 1 root root 10, 229 Oct 4 22:46 /dev/fuse (squeeze, X86_64) |
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| 18:59.43 | dondelelcaro | _anonymouse: something has corrupted /var/lib/dpkg/available |
| 18:59.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | right.. that makes sshfs fail for me when run as a normal user |
| 18:59.57 | dondelelcaro | !tell _anonymouse -about available |
| 19:00.02 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat: as it should |
| 19:00.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | and my older lenny system has crw-rw---- 1 root fuse 10, 229 Oct 1 15:03 /dev/fuse |
| 19:00.22 | _anonymouse | dondelelcaro: I got some error, so I deleted '/var/dpkg/status' and replaced it with status-old |
| 19:00.30 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat: right |
| 19:00.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | and so everyone in the fuse group can use sshfs |
| 19:00.44 | gnarface | dutchfish: thank you for your help, i'm learning something valuable here. i don't mean to be argumentative but here's what i found in /usr/share/doc/linux-doc-2.6.32/Documentation/sysctl/vm.txt.gz: http://pastebin.com/QtS9mjzj |
| 19:01.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm... probably already in the bts - but on what... udev? |
| 19:01.07 | gnarface | dutchfish: i just want to make sure i understand how to do this correctly in all cases |
| 19:01.40 | dondelelcaro | _anonymouse: well, that's usually not a good idea, but whatever. the available file can be replaced without problem. The status file tells dpkg what packages are actually installed, so you shouldn't replace it without knowing precisely what you are doing |
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| 19:02.05 | dondelelcaro | _anonymouse: finally, if those files are getting screwed up, it usually indicates that something is wrong with your drives or filesystem; you should fsck and check out dmesg to make sure that the drive isn't failing |
| 19:02.16 | dutchfish | gnarface: if you run sync && sync first you arent able to distinct dirty cache from cache for debugging, thats all |
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| 19:02.50 | _anonymouse | dondelelcaro: drive isn't failing, as the fsck ran without any errors. I have been getting these errors since last upgrade |
| 19:02.53 | gnarface | dutchfish: aah, i see. |
| 19:03.03 | gnarface | dutchfish: why sync twice? |
| 19:03.25 | dutchfish | gnarface: sync once is not 100% to garantee that all is written out |
| 19:03.55 | dutchfish | gnarface: you cant clear cache what is in use ;) |
| 19:03.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, no... don't see a bug on sshfs or udev ... nor on the package fuse |
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| 19:04.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | the big question is what package the bug belongs to... |
| 19:04.40 | gnarface | dutchfish: and && instead of & because && runs them in order while & backgrounds them so they might run in parallel? |
| 19:04.53 | dutchfish | gnarface: yes |
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| 19:06.14 | dutchfish | gnarface: consider this all a teaser, welcome to the wonderfull world of kernelhacking ... |
| 19:06.34 | gnarface | dutchfish: thanks for your help! |
| 19:06.38 | dutchfish | yw |
| 19:06.51 | dondelelcaro | _anonymouse: well, until you do what dpkg said, you're going to get those errors. If they recur, I'd strongly expect something wrong with the drive or filesystem (or you're crashing the computer as dpkg is writing out to the file) |
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| 19:07.53 | _anonymouse | dondelelcaro: Followed the instructions & everything went okay till it segfaulted |
| 19:08.16 | dondelelcaro | _anonymouse: until what segfaulted? |
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| 19:09.35 | _anonymouse | dondelelcaro: http://pastebin.com/CCr0JAV5 |
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| 19:11.23 | dondelelcaro | _anonymouse: uh... we've never distributed apport. Is this an Ubuntu system which you're attempting to cross-upgrade? |
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| 19:12.26 | _anonymouse | No, I installed squeeze & took it from there |
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| 19:15.02 | peterrooney | ,versions apport |
| 19:15.03 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'apport' was found in i386. |
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| 19:17.03 | peterrooney | ,versions ttf-opensymbol |
| 19:17.05 | judd | Package ttf-opensymbol on i386 -- etch: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch9; etch-security: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch9; etch-backports: 1:2.4.1-12~bpo40+1; lenny: 1:2.4.1+dfsg-1+lenny8; lenny-security: 1:2.4.1+dfsg-1+lenny8; squeeze-security: 1:3.1.1-15+squeeze1; lenny-backports: 1:3.2.0-11~bpo50+1; lenny-backports: 1:3.2.1-6~bpo50+1; sid: 1:3.2.1-7; squeeze: 1:3.2.1-7 |
| 19:18.17 | _anonymouse | segfault leaves me no choice other than rebooting, brb. |
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| 19:20.45 | dutchfish | mm... upgrade-system makes apport hooks ... |
| 19:21.26 | dutchfish | fragge din by konflux |
| 19:21.45 | dutchfish | dragged in by konflux |
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| 19:25.49 | _anonymouse | Alright, so when I tried apt-get update, no problems. Then apt-get upgrade results in - Segmentation fault (core dumped) |
| 19:26.21 | abrotman | _anonymouse: put it in a pastebin please |
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| 19:26.50 | ross` | hi, excuse me |
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| 19:27.05 | ross` | how can i get a net install iso of sid |
| 19:27.10 | ross` | the website only shows stable |
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| 19:27.55 | qbwdp | rm -rf /var/cache/apt/*.bin |
| 19:27.57 | _anonymouse | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/Q9ffTwsL |
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| 19:28.43 | _anonymouse | qbwdp: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 19:29.02 | _anonymouse | err ... ross` I meant |
| 19:29.26 | somiaj | ross`: just install a stable base system then upgrade to sid. |
| 19:29.42 | _anonymouse | ross`: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 19:29.43 | ross` | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 19:29.46 | ross` | is that what i want im assuming |
| 19:29.47 | ross` | ? |
| 19:29.48 | somiaj | ross`: I doubt there are any, but I wouldn't trust an 'unstable' installer. |
| 19:29.58 | ross` | ahh |
| 19:30.04 | ross` | somiaj: how do i "upgrade" to sit properly |
| 19:30.20 | cusco | change /etc/apt/sources.list lines, replace stable or testing with unstable |
| 19:30.27 | ross` | i thought that was ugly |
| 19:30.29 | ross` | and a bad way to do things |
| 19:30.35 | somiaj | ross`: just change our sources to include side, then dist-upgrade. Just do it before you install much more than the base system so there isn't to much to upgrade |
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| 19:30.46 | somiaj | ross`: upgrading in debian is easy, its designed to be that way. |
| 19:30.46 | Pici- | !ops Psi-Jack, aka: Eric Renfro of 115 Cory Ln, Winter Springs Florida, 32708. Call him at 14074597985. Tell him he needs to stop frequenting mail order bride sites and get laid for real. Pici- trukosh sylarrr drags killbillkill ross` kaeos _anonymouse aw84 optispi Ac-town SRabbelier halflife08 oblu dj3mb3 jemark Dunkan_Aidaho HarryS davyg stoffell nielsle Benhuard mns RageOfThou siegie comradekingu izibi {41444d494e} atula smhar timw elik_ panopticon jaret |
| 19:30.46 | Pici- | !ops Psi-Jack, aka: Eric Renfro of 115 Cory Ln, Winter Springs Florida, 32708. Call him at 14074597985. Tell him he needs to stop frequenting mail order bride sites and get laid for real. nicoulaj_ dutchfish Python1320 Bry-Dog resmo kvnn zepp^ pierrep fxkr Cain Ex-Opesa negge dArK_IcE zcat[1] HackeMate ia smica Ralfi sw0e zuse3450_ SQlvpapir Morten_ floe elkclone naphex Shofnite Spec rgr pigdude SaRy fignew Mike__ slvmchn swivelsnoot darthanubis bkraptor Ro |
| 19:30.46 | Pici- | !ops Psi-Jack, aka: Eric Renfro of 115 Cory Ln, Winter Springs Florida, 32708. Call him at 14074597985. Tell him he needs to stop frequenting mail order bride sites and get laid for real. Tuxist JodaZ athurh nukeAFK nexusone xyan Crisco Wicked elenril niklas eSa| istevenmon TheFox21 ib-mobile_ ib-mobile chittoor jrib delqn smacnay salman_ Anubisss daedaluz yogurt2ungue K|nG Foxxer joshuatobin lcpfnvc Jurkki krushik zephrax duxklr klync Meise Batchy abchirk |
| 19:30.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: pici- complains about: Psi-Jack, aka: Eric Renfro of 115 Cory Ln, Winter Springs Florida, 32708. Call him at 14074597985. Tell him he needs to stop frequenting mail order bride sites and get laid for real. Pici- ... |
| 19:31.45 | ross` | so i need to run dist-upgrade? |
| 19:31.45 | _anonymouse | qbwdp: rm -rf followed by aptitude update & aptitude upgrade results in this - http://pastebin.com/XpydFafP |
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| 19:32.34 | Spec | That couldn't have been Pici. |
| 19:32.34 | qbwdp | _anonymouse: did you do apt-get update; apt-get upgrade |
| 19:32.44 | ross` | im not sure what i need to do here |
| 19:33.09 | ross` | how do i turn my lenny system |
| 19:33.13 | ross` | into a clean sid system |
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| 19:33.35 | _anonymouse | qbwdp: Yes, only I used aptitude instead of apt |
| 19:34.40 | somiaj | ross`: if your asking these questions you probabaly should not be running sid (just a warning), but yes change 'lenny' to 'sid', apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 19:34.54 | dutchfish | ross`: http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 19:34.59 | abrotman | _anonymouse: apt-get update .. sorry, that's the paste i watned |
| 19:35.01 | qbwdp | _anonymouse: let me check what i3status is |
| 19:35.41 | ross` | somiaj: i need python3.1 |
| 19:35.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | dutchfish, so any idea what that should be a bug against? I would think udev creates the device... the only other possibility would be if some postinst script does it |
| 19:35.57 | ross` | and its so annoying to change apt config |
| 19:36.02 | ross` | for one thing |
| 19:36.05 | ross` | and then to change back |
| 19:36.09 | ross` | and it can really screw stuff up |
| 19:36.49 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat: i am on it, give me some time ;) |
| 19:37.14 | qbwdp | _anonymouse: i found this --> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-389997.html |
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| 19:37.31 | qbwdp | _anonymouse: Found the 'fix' just sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/available and do an apt-get update and all is good... |
| 19:37.59 | _anonymouse | qbwdp: I'll do that, thank you! |
| 19:38.00 | unomi | Hi, I installed ruby gems via apt-get install .. Now I have a need to update to 1.3.6+ what is the safest way to go about it? |
| 19:38.07 | qbwdp | _anonymouse: wait, let me read |
| 19:38.24 | qbwdp | _anonymouse: the below people say for some it did not work |
| 19:38.39 | qbwdp | _anonymouse: try moving the file rather than deleting, just in case |
| 19:38.49 | ross` | what deb line should i use for security |
| 19:38.54 | _anonymouse | Yes, I learned it this morning :) |
| 19:38.55 | ross` | with sid |
| 19:39.33 | Hydroxide | ross`: for sid, there is no separate security line. security fixes for sid just go into sid |
| 19:39.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | dutchfish, I'll look into it... just a bit flubbered right now were to look |
| 19:39.41 | ross` | ok :) |
| 19:39.47 | ross` | so i only need the one deb line in my sources file then |
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| 19:39.59 | Hydroxide | ross`: ya. |
| 19:40.13 | ross` | ok thank you |
| 19:40.15 | Hydroxide | np |
| 19:40.19 | qbwdp | _anonymouse: dpkg --clear-avail && sudo apt-get update |
| 19:40.39 | ross` | anything i should run after dist-upgrade to clean all the old stuff out |
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| 19:42.13 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=473545 |
| 19:42.31 | ross` | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:42.42 | _anonymouse | HI5s qbwdp |
| 19:42.52 | _anonymouse | qbwdp: That worked, thank you very much! |
| 19:43.00 | qbwdp | _anonymouse: nice |
| 19:43.14 | qbwdp | _anonymouse: you are welcome |
| 19:43.22 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat: dpkg-reconfigure fue-utils changes it back whne manually set (squeeze, x86_64) |
| 19:43.33 | _anonymouse | bows out of channel |
| 19:43.40 | dutchfish | s/fue-utils/fuse-utils |
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| 19:43.46 | Hydroxide | ross`: assuming you're just upgrading from a pre-sid version of debian, without packages from third-party sources, no, not really |
| 19:44.12 | ross` | ok |
| 19:44.25 | ross` | well either i screwed up my system or it worked |
| 19:44.27 | ross` | we will soon find out |
| 19:44.32 | Hydroxide | ross`: ok :) |
| 19:44.34 | Hydroxide | have fun either way :) |
| 19:44.38 | ross` | im getting the weirdest problem with apache |
| 19:44.41 | ross` | it makes absolutely no sense |
| 19:44.44 | ross` | and wont give me any errors |
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| 19:44.47 | TheThing|Ballwas | !ops Psi-Jack, aka: Eric Renfro of 115 Cory Ln, Winter Springs Florida, 32708. Call him at 14074597985. Tell him he needs to stop frequenting mail order bride sites and get laid for real. TheThing|Ballwas Surripere tsccof luminoso CalebRipley Dbug jtrag-AWAY buntfalke unomi hochron miOw dbatbold drags killbillkill ross` aw84 optispi Ac-town SRabbelier halflife08 oblu dj3mb3 jemark Dunkan_Aidaho HarryS davyg stoffell nielsle Benhuard mns RageOfTho |
| 19:44.47 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: thething|ballwas complains about: Psi-Jack, aka: Eric Renfro of 115 Cory Ln, Winter Springs Florida, 32708. Call him at 14074597985. Tell him he needs to stop frequenting mail order bride sites and get laid for ... |
| 19:44.55 | abrotman | seriously? |
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| 19:45.09 | qbwdp | do i have to read all that? |
| 19:45.13 | k1ng | what |
| 19:45.34 | gnarface | i'm going to name my first child Ballwas |
| 19:45.43 | cognac | herp we are leejun |
| 19:45.48 | ross` | gnarface: good for you gnarface :) |
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| 19:46.32 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat: changing /etc/udev/rules.d/ (KERNEL=="fuse",GROUP="fuse") solved it over reboot, it is indeed created by udev. |
| 19:46.48 | Hydroxide | heads away from IRC & |
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| 19:47.11 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat: i am into believing that it is indeed a udev bug, or at least a feature ;) |
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| 19:48.36 | ross` | yep |
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| 19:48.40 | ross` | and that dist-upgrade line broke my system |
| 19:48.43 | ross` | like i assumed |
| 19:48.44 | ross` | :) |
| 19:48.50 | ross` | errored out |
| 19:49.22 | atula | hello. when trying to start smartmontools (smartctl), I get this: "Not starting S.M.A.R.T. daemon smartd, disabled via /etc/default/smartmontools (warning). |
| 19:49.22 | atula | " I just installed smartmontools and was wondering if it's normal to edit the /etc/default/smartmontools file. thank you for the help. |
| 19:49.23 | dutchfish | ross`: did you use aptitude or apt-get for dist-upgrade ? |
| 19:49.29 | ross` | aptitute |
| 19:49.30 | ross` | aptitude |
| 19:49.42 | ross` | apt-get i mean |
| 19:50.59 | ross` | its ok, i was planning on reinstalling the system anyway |
| 19:51.05 | ross` | so which iso should i use |
| 19:51.06 | ross` | for sid |
| 19:51.08 | dutchfish | ross`: have you upgrade-system installed (dpkg -l | grep upgrade-system) ? |
| 19:51.37 | dutchfish | ross`: or had you? |
| 19:51.56 | ross` | no |
| 19:52.00 | esaym153 | anyone have any thoughts on ext4? I am thinking about converting my ext3 partitions over... |
| 19:52.26 | dutchfish | scratches head about ross` problem ... |
| 19:52.37 | nick_h | if "target" is a directory, is there any difference between "ln -nfs target foo" and "ln -nfs target/ foo" ? |
| 19:52.44 | ross` | eh idc, im gonna reinstall |
| 19:52.46 | tsccof | esaym153: ext4 is great |
| 19:52.50 | ross` | all i want to know is which iso i should use |
| 19:53.03 | esaym153 | hmm |
| 19:53.04 | ross` | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 19:53.07 | ross` | i assume that one? |
| 19:53.16 | dutchfish | ross`: thats for testing |
| 19:53.22 | ross` | s/testing/sid? |
| 19:53.31 | ross` | or is sid different from testing |
| 19:53.33 | esaym153 | it looks like it has some good features, I converted my backup drive to it. Just wondering if I should do my other drives... |
| 19:53.48 | dutchfish | testing and then you can -dist-upgrade to sid, also i wouldnt advise that |
| 19:53.49 | tsccof | esaym153: it's pretty stable, I have never had issues with ext4 |
| 19:54.16 | dutchfish | !tell ross` about sid |
| 19:54.23 | ross` | yes, i already told myself about sid |
| 19:54.28 | ross` | thats not gonna help here |
| 19:54.49 | ross` | ok so tell me |
| 19:54.51 | ross` | what is testing then |
| 19:55.21 | ross` | if its not sid |
| 19:55.26 | halflife08 | ross`:http://www.debian.org/releases/ RTFM |
| 19:55.26 | ross` | is it squeeze? |
| 19:55.34 | dutchfish | ross`: install stable with that netinstall cd, and dist-upgrade to sid, thats the only way i use. |
| 19:55.46 | dutchfish | s/stable/testing |
| 19:55.53 | ross` | halflife08: perfect just what i was looking for |
| 19:56.43 | ross` | ok thank you all |
| 19:56.47 | ross` | i'll install testing |
| 19:56.51 | ross` | hopefully it includes python 3.1 |
| 19:57.04 | doubletwist | rgh. The perl nightmare strikes again... |
| 19:57.08 | dutchfish | ross`: but dont come wining in here when sid breaks. |
| 19:57.22 | ross` | dutchfish: i wont, i may seem very nooby but i've been using linux for several years |
| 19:57.28 | doubletwist | Makes me want to force all developers to only use dos batch files for scripting. :( |
| 19:57.31 | ross` | dutchfish: i've just never upgraded a live debian distro before |
| 19:57.35 | ross` | thats all :) |
| 19:57.37 | dutchfish | ross`: np, go for it then |
| 19:58.02 | ross` | dutchfish: my desktop distro of choice is arch, so forgive me for only using debian for servers, and not really caring besides having them work |
| 19:58.08 | ross` | which they do because debian does a good job |
| 19:58.10 | ross` | :) |
| 19:58.14 | ross` | but i dont know everything about it |
| 19:58.28 | ross` | just how to use it, (the features i need) anway |
| 19:58.39 | dutchfish | ross`: well, there is alot in the wiki pages from debian.org |
| 19:59.01 | ross` | mmm |
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| 20:00.24 | dutchfish | ross`: maybe you better of by testing sid in a virtual machine ;) |
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| 20:01.19 | pigdude | how do you migrate users on debian? |
| 20:01.25 | pigdude | I don't want them to have to re-set their passwords |
| 20:01.32 | pigdude | but I am doing a clean install |
| 20:01.40 | ross` | dutchfish: is it really that unstable? |
| 20:03.17 | stew | ross`: is sid unstable? yes, 4 times a day new packages are added to sid which may have had no testing at all. |
| 20:03.25 | dutchfish | ross`: by times it is, checkout http://edos.debian.net/weather/ |
| 20:04.15 | stew | oh that's just silly |
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| 20:06.18 | ross` | lol |
| 20:06.18 | ross` | nice |
| 20:06.25 | ross` | dutchfish: thats cool |
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| 20:06.28 | dutchfish | pigdude: you need at least to safe /etc/passwd, /etc/group, /etc/shadow, /etc/gshadow, /var/spool/mail, /home, maybe i forgot something ... |
| 20:06.34 | ross` | i386 is sunny tho today |
| 20:06.35 | ross` | :) |
| 20:06.35 | pigdude | no mail |
| 20:07.00 | pigdude | dutchfish: but I can't just go and replace those on the new system...nothing would work |
| 20:07.04 | pigdude | right? |
| 20:07.08 | esaym153 | is there something like iotop that shows what files and being read/written? |
| 20:07.15 | pigdude | I mean from the get-go you do root pw etc |
| 20:08.12 | dutchfish | pigdude: well, i normally make a complete backup and start recreating users with some scriptlets i made, nothing fancy. |
| 20:08.40 | dutchfish | pigdude: if you want to clone, thats another cup of tea |
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| 20:11.39 | dutchfish | pigdude: but normally you only recreate users with uid 1000 and up |
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| 20:12.09 | dutchfish | pigdude: and the groups they belong to |
| 20:12.25 | smacnay | anyone using sid, gnome, nautilus, and dropbox and not getting a menu item for dropbox in the Nautilus menu? |
| 20:13.35 | pigdude | dutchfish: sure, that's all I want to do |
| 20:13.47 | pigdude | dutchfish: I guess since I don't know what I'm doing I'll just have everybody re-set their |
| 20:13.50 | pigdude | passwords |
| 20:14.50 | dutchfish | pigdude: how many users are there aproxm. ? |
| 20:14.57 | pigdude | ~10 |
| 20:14.57 | apt | There are 10 types of people in this world. Those who understand binary and those who don't. |
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| 20:15.50 | dutchfish | pigdude: just recreate them and hand them a new password they can change |
| 20:16.29 | dutchfish | pigdude: other options would take more time probably |
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| 20:17.00 | dutchfish | pigdude: but backup the old one first anyway ;) |
| 20:17.04 | kim__ | I'm trying to use netinstall, but I've managed to fubar the network to some extent... |
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| 20:17.47 | kim__ | what I'd like to do is troubleshoot the network, but the console does not seem to feature ping or etc... is there any alternate? or is there something I can additionally install? |
| 20:18.11 | kim__ | hmm, not even ifconfig |
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| 20:20.02 | pigdude | dutchfish: yea, that's my thinking |
| 20:20.02 | pigdude | thanks |
| 20:20.21 | dutchfish | kim__: is your lan-card detected properly? |
| 20:20.26 | dutchfish | pigdude: yw |
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| 20:20.36 | gnarface | kim__: how could you be without those? did you uninstall them or something? |
| 20:20.48 | kim__ | dutchfish, yes, looks like |
| 20:20.51 | kim__ | gnarface, netinst iso |
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| 20:21.03 | kim__ | I haven't installed debian at all yet |
| 20:21.08 | bronaugh | hey, I seem to have encountered a bug in bash with globstar. |
| 20:21.09 | gnarface | aah |
| 20:21.10 | kim__ | I can sort of decode what's going on using /proc |
| 20:21.15 | bronaugh | specifically using it causes memory to leak. |
| 20:21.20 | kim__ | but I can't ping, which is painful |
| 20:21.24 | bronaugh | I've searched debian's bts, didn't find anything. |
| 20:21.35 | bronaugh | wondering if someone else can likewise search, see if they find anything. |
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| 20:21.43 | bronaugh | just don't want to submit a dup bug. |
| 20:22.05 | kim__ | one would think that network tools would be somewhat critical on a netinst |
| 20:22.21 | kim__ | is there a debian installation cd I might download that does allow me to do troubleshooting? |
| 20:22.26 | kim__ | (perhaps the non-netinst cd? |
| 20:22.32 | kim__ | goes and tries |
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| 20:23.00 | maligor | doesn't the netinst cd have the rescue mode? |
| 20:23.18 | kim__ | maligor, how would I access that? |
| 20:23.32 | kim__ | it does have a "console" option |
| 20:23.52 | maligor | when you load it up and gives you the bootloader prompt, type rescue on it |
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| 20:24.04 | maligor | it'll give you a root console on the installed system |
| 20:24.14 | maligor | (as one option) |
| 20:24.18 | kim__ | I don't have an installed system ;-) |
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| 20:24.34 | joshsmith | Does anyone have any idea where my dotdeb package of MySQL would've gone? |
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| 20:25.27 | joshsmith | I need to find the config.status file |
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| 20:26.08 | xoz | joshsmith: dpkg -L <package> |
| 20:26.15 | maligor | kim__, well, you can access a root console during the installer with VT switches |
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| 20:26.34 | kim__ | maligor, yes, but that does not appear to have ping or ifconfig :-P |
| 20:27.04 | maligor | that's odd |
| 20:27.20 | kim__ | tries rescue mode |
| 20:27.20 | maligor | I haven't used the installer for quite a while now however |
| 20:27.21 | kim__ | who knows |
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| 20:27.46 | dutchfish | kim__: have you used the mini-installer or net-installer? |
| 20:27.57 | maligor | kim__, well, the rescue mode is a wizard to mount and chroot into a installed system |
| 20:28.01 | kim__ | netinst cd |
| 20:28.08 | kim__ | oh that won't work ever |
| 20:28.33 | HackeMate | hi, i have a hard disk that i believe has bad sectors, how can i check it? comes debian with a hardware testing software? |
| 20:28.48 | kim__ | rescue mode puts me in the same place as before |
| 20:29.09 | kim__ | dutchfish, Maybe I should try a different iso, this one is driving me bonkers ;-) |
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| 20:29.41 | dutchfish | kim__: what does lspci tell you about the card? |
| 20:29.43 | bronaugh | HackeMate: badblocks |
| 20:29.52 | bronaugh | HackeMate: but really, you should be using smartmontools |
| 20:29.58 | bronaugh | HackeMate: will tell you much more about actual health of drive. |
| 20:30.12 | kim__ | dutchfish RTL-8139 |
| 20:30.16 | kim__ | but it's actually a kvm |
| 20:30.17 | kim__ | :-P |
| 20:30.27 | kim__ | the problem is that network is finnicky at the moment |
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| 20:30.33 | kim__ | I'll fix it sometime, but not today |
| 20:30.40 | HackeMate | ok, downloading smartmontools |
| 20:30.47 | dutchfish | kim__: qemu-kvm? |
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| 20:31.01 | kim__ | unfortunately, if I can't troubleshoot if I make typos and stuff, it's practically impossible to actually configure the network correctly :-P |
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| 20:31.23 | gnarface | bronaugh: i always used to disable S.M.A.R.T. in my bios because i thought most pc hardware doesn't support it. that's not true anymore? |
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| 20:31.35 | kim__ | That's right |
| 20:31.40 | kim__ | using routed networking atm |
| 20:31.47 | bronaugh | gnarface: any drive created in the last 10 years supports it. |
| 20:32.01 | bronaugh | gnarface: if you're not using SMART to monitor the health of your hard drives you're being silly. |
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| 20:32.26 | gnarface | bronaugh: neat! and this will give me earlier warnings than just keeping an eye on the logs for IO errors? |
| 20:32.38 | bronaugh | gnarface: to some extent. |
| 20:32.47 | dutchfish | kim__: have you tried it with default private network setup or do you start from commandline? |
| 20:32.55 | bronaugh | the best indicator of screw-ups that I've seen is the reallocated sector count |
| 20:32.58 | bronaugh | pay attention to that. |
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| 20:33.20 | kim__ | dutchfish, I'm running kvm by hand |
| 20:33.21 | bronaugh | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:33.26 | kim__ | dutchfish, I have multiple working kvms |
| 20:33.36 | bronaugh | this is from one of the drives we have that's going downhill. the count has increased. |
| 20:33.49 | kim__ | dutchfish, my problem is that if I make a mistake somewhere, that I cannot then troubleshoot it with the netinst iso |
| 20:33.55 | bronaugh | 43 sectors out of, oh, 3 billion. |
| 20:34.03 | kim__ | dutchfish, afaict there is no solution directly, except to use a different iso image |
| 20:34.16 | bronaugh | this is from running 'smartctl -a /dev/sdo' |
| 20:34.29 | kim__ | dutchfish, I was hoping to get advice on which iso image supports networking tools like ifconfig and ping, so I can troubleshoot |
| 20:34.30 | dutchfish | kim__: well, thats true but not very satisfying either .... |
| 20:34.38 | kim__ | dutchfish, indeed |
| 20:34.38 | xoz | kim__: what about debootstrap? |
| 20:34.48 | kim__ | xoz, what's debootstrap? |
| 20:35.01 | xoz | !debootstrap |
| 20:35.01 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
| 20:35.42 | dutchfish | kim__: i havent encountered such problem in lenny so far, but then again i use a netboot install over pxe and my host is debian |
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| 20:36.11 | gnarface | bronaugh: does that smart stuff gotta run as a daemon? or is it just a program you can use to check the health of the drives periodically? |
| 20:36.20 | bronaugh | gnarface: there's a daemon |
| 20:36.34 | bronaugh | gnarface: since there's some issues with the particular drives we run, we don't run that daemon. |
| 20:36.44 | bronaugh | we just poke the drives manually. |
| 20:36.50 | gnarface | bronaugh: oh i see. so it's not required then |
| 20:36.56 | bronaugh | not required no. |
| 20:37.02 | bronaugh | the drives themselves are keeping track of this data. |
| 20:37.04 | foetus | is discovering the internet with a shaky chromium... |
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| 20:37.21 | gnarface | chromium will be a good browser in about 4 or 5 years |
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| 20:37.42 | bronaugh | gnarface: the middle numbers (099 099 036) are somewhat informative... the first two are the current and worst normalized values for that attribute, and the last value (036) is the threshold. when the normalized value drops below that threshold drive's in a ready-to-toss-in-trash state. |
| 20:38.00 | kim__ | dutchfish, well yes, if there are no problems, then there are no problems. The problem is that when there are problems, to then be able to troubleshoot those problems, and solve those problems |
| 20:38.06 | gnarface | bronaugh: good to know! |
| 20:38.23 | kim__ | dutchfish, the netinst cd does not have network troubleshooting support. Hilarity ensues |
| 20:38.40 | dutchfish | kim__: i very doubt that |
| 20:38.49 | kim__ | dutchfish, what do you doubt? |
| 20:38.58 | bronaugh | gnarface: yeah. it's very useful. |
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| 20:39.27 | kim__ | (you may have responded to 2 different statements) |
| 20:39.34 | dutchfish | kim__: i will check it out, you where using stable lenny i386 as netinstall iso? |
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| 20:39.52 | kim__ | debian-506-i386-netinst.iso |
| 20:39.59 | dutchfish | kim__: ty |
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| 20:41.16 | kingsley | Does anyone here happen to know of a public email autoresponder that people can use to debug new email smarthosts? |
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| 20:42.55 | gnarface | bronaugh: does that S.M.A.R.T. stuff work on optical drives? like the drives themselves, not the media? |
| 20:43.02 | bronaugh | nope |
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| 20:43.32 | kim__ | frack |
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| 20:43.37 | kim__ | the dvd image is across 5 dvds |
| 20:43.40 | kim__ | frack frack |
| 20:43.46 | kim__ | scratches head |
| 20:43.57 | kim__ | well, that's not going to work |
| 20:44.02 | gnarface | kim__: you probably only need the first one to install |
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| 20:44.14 | kim__ | gnarface, well, perhaps |
| 20:44.14 | bronaugh | kim__: if I were you, I'd just download a netinst CD |
| 20:44.25 | bronaugh | then you only download what you need. |
| 20:44.34 | kim__ | bronaugh, we had just established that a netinst CD does not provide network troubleshooting tools |
| 20:44.37 | bronaugh | of course, you -do- have to have a working, possibly wired, network... |
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| 20:44.45 | bronaugh | kim__: sorry, missed that. |
| 20:44.59 | kim__ | bronaugh, I have 100 mbit upload/download, but I may make a typo and misconfigure something |
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| 20:45.33 | kim__ | I'll grab dvd 1 and see what happens |
| 20:45.45 | bronaugh | shrug. |
| 20:45.49 | bronaugh | likely won't go too far wrong. |
| 20:46.03 | kim__ | I don't really want to use ubuntu, because I have the idea it's a little less efficient |
| 20:46.11 | kim__ | but i could be wrong |
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| 20:46.21 | bronaugh | you can trim debian down far more. |
| 20:46.29 | kim__ | bronaugh, exactly |
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| 20:46.47 | kim__ | the upside of ubuntu is that the live-cd has network tools :-) |
| 20:46.58 | queso | When I attempt installing openssh-server with aptitude, it asks for me to put in a CD -- why doesn't it just grab it off the internet? |
| 20:47.17 | bronaugh | kim__: yup. |
| 20:47.19 | kim__ | queso, because you probably left a CD as your install source? |
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| 20:47.38 | queso | kim__: How do I fix that? |
| 20:48.15 | queso | kim__: oh, just comment the cdrom line in /etc/apt/sources.list I suppose. |
| 20:48.24 | kim__ | queso, smart! |
| 20:48.35 | kim__ | you may need to do an apt-get update or so |
| 20:48.38 | karlpinc | queso: And then don't forget to "aptitude update". |
| 20:48.44 | kim__ | or aptitude |
| 20:48.45 | kim__ | :-P |
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| 20:48.53 | karlpinc | kim__: :-) |
| 20:49.00 | karlpinc | !tell kim__ about why aptitude |
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| 20:49.09 | queso | kim__, karlpinc: thanks |
| 20:49.23 | queso | !tell queso about why aptitude |
| 20:49.26 | kim__ | Oh, I thought it was a front end to apt-get |
| 20:49.42 | karlpinc | !tell queso about selftell |
| 20:49.47 | kim__ | I didn't know it actually also did better dependency resolution |
| 20:50.22 | metalfoo | Why would apt-get actually being a frontend for dpkg need again a frontend for it? |
| 20:50.30 | karlpinc | kim__: They're both front-ends to apt, as is synaptic. Eventually they will probably do about the same. (I hear apt-get was initially just a test of the libraries.) |
| 20:50.30 | queso | karlpinc: oops, okay :) |
| 20:50.37 | kim__ | metalfoo, fair dinkum |
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| 20:51.09 | kim__ | metalfoo, I had this silly idea that it was one of those unix best tool for best job stacks. |
| 20:51.12 | karlpinc | metalfoo: dpkg is just package installation and removal. |
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| 20:51.42 | kim__ | metalfoo, what karlpinc says, dpkg for package installation and removal, apt-get for dependency resolution, and aptitude for TUI |
| 20:52.05 | kim__ | apparently aptitude replaces apt-get outright. I did not realize this, since I never had cause to look more closely |
| 20:52.24 | gnarface | aptitude is quite popular in here but i still prefer apt-get |
| 20:52.31 | kim__ | gnarface, why's that? |
| 20:52.39 | karlpinc | metalfoo: kim__ I hate aptitude's curses interface. But the command line is, unpretty, but works well. |
| 20:53.03 | kim__ | karlpinc, there's a reason it's called curses ;-) |
| 20:53.20 | kim__ | hmm, actually, I may have configured the wrong netmask for my tun/tap |
| 20:53.24 | queso | I'm used to using ubuntu with sudo an no root account. How can I setup my debian install that way? And, which is the recommended method? |
| 20:53.32 | gnarface | kim__: well supposedly dependency resolution is superior in aptitude, among other improvements. the one time apt-get failed me though it didn't work either. |
| 20:53.33 | kim__ | I'll try one more time with netinst/hail mary ;-) |
| 20:54.25 | kim__ | gnarface, I used to use (gasp) gentoo, because they also had pretty decent dependency resolution for the time. But gentoo has lost their way somehow, and debian is far superior |
| 20:54.39 | karlpinc | queso: Read the debian reference manual about deactivating accounts. Basiclly, you remove root's password. However, sudo is less secure in that it then only takes one password to crack the whole box whereas if you take basic precautions, like not allowing root to login over ssh, you need 2 passwords to get to root without sudo. |
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| 20:54.57 | dutchfish | kim__: went smooth as silk no problems with rtl8139 driver |
| 20:55.06 | atula | I have all SATA drives recognized as /dev/sd* should I add -d "ata" for all my smartd.conf ? |
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| 20:55.36 | queso | karlpinc: okay, thanks for the explanation. I'll leave it as-is. |
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| 20:55.50 | gnarface | kim__: i used to use gentoo as well. its a great distro for a classroom. i'd never (again) put it into production though |
| 20:56.02 | karlpinc | !tell queso about securing debian |
| 20:56.10 | karlpinc | queso: YMMV. You can use sudo if you like. |
| 20:56.42 | dutchfish | kim__: did you load installer components from CD and marked virtio? did you load rescue-mode from installer components? |
| 20:56.51 | foetus | hear gentoo..and is thinking about few years of using it:) |
| 20:57.04 | queso | karlpinc: thanks again, I'll be looking at that manual. |
| 20:57.06 | karlpinc | does not know why debian permits root to ssh in by default. |
| 20:58.24 | gnarface | karlpinc: i don't think it does anymore by default |
| 20:58.34 | karlpinc | gnarface: As of when? Do you know? |
| 20:58.48 | dutchfish | karlpinc: untrue, if you used the normal installer you have been asked for root login |
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| 20:58.53 | jtrag | I heard Debian is actually better than Ubuntu. Is that true? |
| 20:58.57 | gnarface | karlpinc: sorry i drink a lot, so no not specifically. but as of this year in lenny |
| 20:59.25 | karlpinc | dutchfish: So it asks the question now whether it should be permitted, right? |
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| 20:59.42 | jtrag | I figured Ubuntu would be an improvement to Debian, but from what I've been told, Debian is better than Ubuntu. |
| 20:59.42 | gnarface | karlpinc: its definitely a relatively recent development. maybe late spring or early summer? its all a blur to me |
| 20:59.46 | karlpinc | dutchfish: But that's only for root login as a whole, not root login over ssh, right? |
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| 21:00.07 | dutchfish | karlpinc: right, i dont know however at the top of my head if that is only when expert install is chosen. |
| 21:00.08 | karlpinc | jtrag: People here will say so. |
| 21:00.11 | gnarface | jtrag: Debian has a steeper learning curve but higher quality QA |
| 21:00.18 | jtrag | I see |
| 21:00.39 | jtrag | more of a "Build/Customize" your own system type of Linux? |
| 21:00.42 | dutchfish | !debianlove |
| 21:00.42 | dpkg | debianlove is, like, the more I gain knowledge about Linux, the more I like Debian. Ask me about <why debian> too. For more information, see http://wiki.debian.org/ |
| 21:00.45 | kim__ | dutchfish, I am not using debian as my host, I am not installing virtio on my guest |
| 21:00.47 | c7p | hello all im on lmde, i have two soundcards and the defualt is the one that i don't want to. How do i change the default card ? |
| 21:00.49 | gnarface | jtrag: exactly |
| 21:01.12 | jtrag | well, I think I'm ready to make that next step and use a real linux desktop |
| 21:01.22 | karlpinc | jtrag: Which can confuse those who don't know what they want but don't want to know they don't know what they want. :) |
| 21:01.27 | atula | I have all SATA drives recognized as /dev/sd* should I add -d "ata" for all my smartd.conf ? |
| 21:01.30 | kim__ | dutchfish, but I'll certainly look into it |
| 21:01.34 | dutchfish | kim__: thats fine, but try it, it is only needed during install |
| 21:01.43 | jtrag | I've been a server admin on CentOS 5 servers for years, and I've used openSUSE for years |
| 21:02.00 | dutchfish | kim__: it loads together the modules, drivers along |
| 21:02.05 | Number6 | openSUSE as a server is just... wrong |
| 21:02.26 | jtrag | openSUSE makes an awesome web server |
| 21:02.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | dutchfish, ah... interesting (sorry, was talking with someone here) - but I don't have anything connected with fuse in /etc/udev/rules.d - what did you change there? |
| 21:02.35 | kim__ | dutchfish, ok, but I'm not sure how that helps me? |
| 21:02.35 | jtrag | and just about anything else at that |
| 21:02.48 | jtrag | openSUSE is the best all-round distro in my opinion |
| 21:02.53 | jtrag | it has it all and then some |
| 21:02.57 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat: the udev rule, reread from the link i gave |
| 21:03.05 | kim__ | jtrag, why are you saying this in #debian? ;-) |
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| 21:03.14 | Number6 | jtrag: Try configuring the beast. YaST is evil! Try configuring 12 servers - debian all the way. |
| 21:03.17 | jtrag | I wanted to try something different |
| 21:03.17 | baycert | hi |
| 21:03.18 | kim__ | jtrag, not that I don't use RHEL at times... but ... |
| 21:03.21 | jtrag | and learn debian |
| 21:03.30 | Number6 | I use openSUSE on my laptop, debian on server - Always! |
| 21:03.38 | kim__ | jtrag, good plan . I like debians package management |
| 21:03.43 | karlpinc | jtrag: I agree. Apt is far better than yast. |
| 21:03.49 | jtrag | really? |
| 21:03.56 | dutchfish | kim__: try that option, and try configuring the network again form the installer option ;) |
| 21:04.03 | jtrag | I can't believe it's better than Yast 2 |
| 21:04.09 | baycert | i try to make an ubifs filesystem and installed the mtd-tools package, but the mkfs.ubifs command still wont work because its not a available command, any ideas? |
| 21:04.15 | karlpinc | jtrag: FYI, see below. |
| 21:04.19 | kim__ | Number6, Ubuntu on laptop, debian on server. But I have a few older systems with gentoo, and a horribly disfigured SuSE that is 10 years + old |
| 21:04.20 | jtrag | is it apt-get correct? |
| 21:04.22 | karlpinc | !tell jtrag about bpo |
| 21:04.29 | jtrag | like apt-get update |
| 21:04.29 | karlpinc | !tell jtrag about non-free |
| 21:04.31 | gnarface | jtrag: you have your choice of apt-get or aptitude |
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| 21:04.37 | jtrag | okay |
| 21:04.39 | kim__ | jtrag, it's the quality of the database and packages, I think |
| 21:04.39 | karlpinc | !tell jtrag about contrib |
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| 21:04.41 | jtrag | are both the same? |
| 21:04.47 | dutchfish | kim__: it depends on the host and its kernel if it is neede dor not |
| 21:04.48 | karlpinc | !tell jtrag about volatile |
| 21:04.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | dutchfish, what link? you only linked to the bugreport |
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| 21:05.05 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat: yep, it is in there |
| 21:05.10 | kim__ | dutchfish, if I can get net without, I'll do without for now ;-) |
| 21:05.21 | kim__ | dutchfish, but virtio sounds interesting for many reasons :-) |
| 21:05.23 | gnarface | jtrag: *almost* - the differences are subtle. aptitude is reported to have better dependency resolution (i cannot confirm this with personal experience) |
| 21:05.27 | queso | How do I get newer stable versions of postgres in lenny, such as postgresql-9.0? |
| 21:05.34 | karlpinc | !tell jtrag about debtags |
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| 21:05.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | dutchfish, the bugreport says "restarting udev and then restarting fuse seems to resolve the issue:" - is that what you mean? |
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| 21:06.02 | dutchfish | kim__: it noils down to this, it needs a module to properly configure rtl8139 on 2.6.26 inside a vm qemu based |
| 21:06.05 | karlpinc | ,versions postgresql |
| 21:06.06 | judd | Package postgresql on i386 -- etch: 7.5.22; etch-backports: 8.3.9-0lenny1~bpo40+1; lenny: 8.3.11-0lenny1; lenny-security: 8.3.11-0lenny1; lenny-backports: 8.4.4-1~bpo50+1; sid: 8.4.4-1; lenny-backports: 8.4.4-2~bpo50+1; squeeze: 8.4.4-2; sid: 8.4.5-1; sid: 9.0.0-3; sid: 9.0.1-1 |
| 21:06.09 | dutchfish | s/noils/boils |
| 21:06.49 | karlpinc | queso: Either use backports.debian.org or type /msg dpkg ssb You will probably see 9.0 showing up on backports. |
| 21:07.02 | dutchfish | kim__: but back on the topic, there is nothing wrong with the netinstaller from lenny |
| 21:07.11 | gnarface | jtrag: i hate rpm-based package systems. i hate yast. i hate redhat/fedora/enterprise/centos but redhat 5x to 7x used to be my chosen distro. after graduating to gentoo and then eventually to debian i'm not sure if there's anything inherently wrong with rpm/yast/yum, but i *am* sure that the debian package repository is of significantly higher quality |
| 21:07.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | dutchfish, and this bug is... again! closed and still present |
| 21:07.30 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat: bingo |
| 21:07.40 | karlpinc | gnarface: What's significantly wrong with rpm these days is lack of documentation. |
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| 21:08.20 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat: but it looks like udev is causing it |
| 21:08.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | dutchfish, so I wonder what the deal is... also note that this bug was closed a year ago |
| 21:09.15 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat: well, at least i can confirm it ... but that wont do much good |
| 21:09.21 | queso | karlpinc: thanks |
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| 21:09.55 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat: the workaround (creating your own udevrule for it) does work |
| 21:10.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | dutchfish, the thing itself is simple enough... question is what's causing it - did reinstalling udev alone work? |
| 21:10.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, I already changed permissions manually |
| 21:10.20 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat: not tested that, yet |
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| 21:10.41 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat: the changes you did manually wont persist over the next boot |
| 21:10.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 21:10.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I never boot :) |
| 21:11.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | even now, at my parents place I suspend to ram/disk |
| 21:11.04 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat: assumption is th emother of all ....... |
| 21:11.11 | queso | karlpinc: so, in lenny, postgresql-8.4 backport is considered stable? http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/postgresql |
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| 21:11.28 | jtrag | What version of Debian should I install on my PC with 4 x 500 GB Drives in RAID-0 (Intel Chipset), Core i7 920 D0, 12 GB Corsair Dominator RAM, etc... |
| 21:11.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | dutchfish, but I could reboot for the sake of the bug |
| 21:11.39 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat: ty |
| 21:11.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | or, of course, just unmount the sshfs and rm /dev/fuse... |
| 21:11.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | that should have the same effect |
| 21:11.59 | karlpinc | jtrag: aptitude does searching as well and is more or less the one tool you need (imo, aside from dpkg -L and dpkg -S, and perhaps apt-file). |
| 21:12.03 | queso | karlpinc: And, is postgresql-9.0 considered unstable because debian testers haven't tested it sufficiently yet? I assume postgres developers consider it stable. |
| 21:12.07 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat: nope, already tested that |
| 21:12.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | what happens with that? |
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| 21:12.38 | jtrag | you have a link to download the latest stable release? |
| 21:12.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | let me try anyway |
| 21:12.53 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat: udev recreates those devs only on restart of udev or reboot of the machine |
| 21:12.53 | karlpinc | queso: It's not a question of stable or not, it's a question of has anybody packaged it, tested the packaging, tested the auto-upgrade that comes with installing the package, etc. |
| 21:12.53 | jtrag | I'd prefer torrent |
| 21:13.18 | karlpinc | jtrag: The netinstall is the way to go, which is so small it does not really matter. |
| 21:13.53 | queso | karlpinc: oh, gotchya. |
| 21:14.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | dutchfish, that's because you didn't rmmod fuse, I bet |
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| 21:14.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | (which I don't seem to be able to do because it's "in use") |
| 21:14.40 | jtrag | would the netinstall work with my hardware raid? |
| 21:14.45 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat: ;) |
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| 21:14.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 21:14.58 | karlpinc | jtrag: See the install manual at debian.org. |
| 21:15.00 | jtrag | it's gonna need the drivers for the intel chipset |
| 21:15.12 | karlpinc | jtrag: Is it real hardware raid? |
| 21:15.12 | jtrag | k thanks |
| 21:15.15 | karlpinc | !dmraid |
| 21:15.16 | dpkg | [fakeraid] a term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a BIOS. For use with Debian systems, it is suggested that you do not set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID instead; ask me about <md>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid |
| 21:15.17 | jtrag | yeah |
| 21:15.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | let me try hibernate to disk first... I have so many things open, booting is always a pain in the hair |
| 21:16.06 | jtrag | EVGA x58 3 Way SLi Classified E760 Motherboard with Intel RAID Controllers and JMicron Controllers |
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| 21:16.44 | karlpinc | jtrag: I never pay attention, because they _call_ it raid, but.... Meanwhile I don't want to have to mess with finding a compatible hardware controller should mine fry, so go with software raid. |
| 21:16.57 | jtrag | I see |
| 21:17.18 | karlpinc | jtrag: Hardware raid is good for enterprises. |
| 21:17.36 | jtrag | okay, thanks for the info guys... hopefully I'll be back in here soon, but I'll be typing to you from my new Debian Install :) |
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| 21:18.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | nope :( |
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| 21:21.16 | kim__ | hmm, now it's sensing stuff... |
| 21:21.36 | kim__ | I am so making a bridge and installing a dhcp server on the subnet,,.. |
| 21:21.42 | kim__ | last time I'm doing it this way :-P |
| 21:22.08 | bronaugh | why aren't you using dhcp? |
| 21:22.26 | kim__ | because there is no dhcp server on the subnet I am using (yet) |
| 21:22.39 | kim__ | and there is no bridge on the subnet I am using to propagate dhcp |
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| 21:23.01 | dutchfish | kim__: ok |
| 21:23.33 | kim__ | I would first need to set up a bridge, a virtual machine running dhcp, and soforth |
| 21:23.42 | dutchfish | kim__: thats why i did setup remote-boot over pxe |
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| 21:23.46 | kim__ | so I'm a bit lazy |
| 21:23.47 | kim__ | :-P |
| 21:24.06 | kim__ | dutchfish, wouldn't that require working network? |
| 21:24.14 | dutchfish | kim__: sure |
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| 21:24.27 | bronaugh | you don't need DHCP for it. :) |
| 21:24.30 | dutchfish | kim__: but that can be also a virtualnet on you host ;) |
| 21:24.30 | kim__ | dutchfish, and my main problem was..... |
| 21:24.31 | bronaugh | ok you do. |
| 21:24.32 | bronaugh | hha |
| 21:25.06 | dutchfish | kim__: anyway many ways to solve this |
| 21:25.06 | kim__ | dutchfish, yes, but before I can install new images on that, I first need to troubleshoot |
| 21:25.11 | kim__ | dutchfish, of course ;-) |
| 21:25.19 | bronaugh | but whatever, I set up an env to boot my laptop from PXE in about 20-30 minutes. |
| 21:25.24 | kim__ | dutchfish, those ways involve ubuntu, but I don't want to hear that ;-) |
| 21:25.51 | dutchfish | kim__: good luck |
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| 21:26.10 | kim__ | once I get this working I can set up and tear down virtual machines in minutes |
| 21:26.14 | kim__ | we're not there yet ;-) |
| 21:26.59 | kim__ | (incidentally I'll be renting them out at Eur15/month but first I gotta have them working solidly and all) |
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| 21:27.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | dutchfish, hm, after reboot the device was magically back with |
| 21:27.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | crw-rw---- 1 root fuse 10, 229 Oct 1 15:03 /dev/fuse |
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| 21:27.54 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat: heh, on squeeze? |
| 21:28.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 21:28.12 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat: not on my side |
| 21:28.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | you also rebooted? |
| 21:28.22 | dutchfish | yep |
| 21:28.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | argh |
| 21:28.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | sorry... was looking at the wrong machine |
| 21:28.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | (vnc running somewhere else) |
| 21:28.57 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat: i will delve into it tommorrow knee deep, will report you my findings |
| 21:29.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | nope - crw-rw---- 1 root fuse 10, 229 Oct 8 23:23 /dev/fuse |
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| 21:29.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | dutchfish, did you rm /dev/fuse before you booted? |
| 21:29.55 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat: No, but i checked it for existence when it was down |
| 21:30.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
| 21:30.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | that means? |
| 21:30.19 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat: it is recreated by udev on boot |
| 21:30.40 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat: unless somehow udev couldnt |
| 21:30.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... obviously, as mine has 23:23, which is only minutes ago |
| 21:30.52 | dutchfish | yep |
| 21:30.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | but it created it correctly |
| 21:31.06 | kim__ | I wonder why the debian installer still asks for root passwords |
| 21:31.11 | kim__ | didn't we all agree to sudo ? |
| 21:31.13 | kim__ | :-/ |
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| 21:31.31 | gnarface | kim__: sudo isn't part of the base install |
| 21:31.34 | uc50ic4more | Hello, friends - I am using Squeeze, with two packages (+ dependencies) coming from the experimental repository (iceweasel and chromium-browser)... The Debian wiki page pertaining to the experimental repository (forgot the URL but can retrieve it if necessary) has erroneous information about how to upgrade packages from experimental... Can someone here tell me how to upgrade packages from experimental using aptitude? Thanks! |
| 21:32.03 | kim__ | gnarface, why. not? |
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| 21:32.13 | kim__ | sorry, I'm just being picky today |
| 21:32.20 | gnarface | kim__: its less secure than using su |
| 21:32.26 | kim__ | gnarface, wait, what? |
| 21:32.41 | kim__ | gnarface, do you have a source for that? I had the impression the opposite was true |
| 21:32.47 | kim__ | gnarface, for so many reasons |
| 21:32.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | dutchfish, ah, stupid - reboot was unnecessary... do this instead: umount fusectl; rmmod fuse (->/dev/fuse gorn) |
| 21:32.56 | karlpinc | kim__: How many passwords do you need to know/crack when you sudo? How many when you su? |
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| 21:33.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | dutchfish, then, "modprobe fuse" --> crw-rw---- 1 root fuse 10, 229 Oct 8 23:32 /dev/fuse |
| 21:33.23 | kim__ | karlpinc, I would hope 0. This is the 21st century, we should not be using passwords |
| 21:33.24 | gnarface | kim__: think about it. with sudo you only need 1 password to gain root access on a box. otherwise you'd need 2 - now sudo is certainly more secure than just giving out your root password to every dev who needs do do ONE thing that requires root access - but *not* under sudo's default configuration |
| 21:33.48 | karlpinc | kim__: Ok, whatever sort of authentiation the argument remains the same. |
| 21:34.19 | kim__ | sudo is more flexible in how you authenticate |
| 21:34.32 | karlpinc | kim__: Sudo can provide "restricted" access to root. And it can force people to not login directly as root, thereby forcing an audit trail. |
| 21:34.38 | karlpinc | kim__: No. They all use pam. |
| 21:34.47 | kim__ | karlpinc, fair |
| 21:35.00 | gnarface | kim__: its very useful if properly configured, but its far more secure to just not let your users have root access |
| 21:35.01 | kim__ | karlpinc, and the audit trail is important |
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| 21:35.19 | karlpinc | kim__: If you don't want those 2 things, but not for general purpose root access. |
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| 21:35.34 | kim__ | gnarface, well, yes and no. most systems I run are webservers. All the users are there to administer the web system anyway |
| 21:35.49 | gnarface | doesn't bother with sudo on any box for which he is the only user. |
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| 21:36.02 | kim__ | gnarface, but would like to track who messed up the server THIS time |
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| 21:36.18 | karlpinc | kim__: Sure. But anybody will full root access should be smart enough to do that. Otherwise if they've root then they can crack the box anyway and you won't know, so why not trust your admins? |
| 21:36.23 | kim__ | gnarface, I tend to almost never be the only user. And sudo is in my motor memory ;-) |
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| 21:36.24 | gnarface | always restricts sudo access to specific command templates when he *does* need it for other users |
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| 21:36.58 | karlpinc | kim__: "that" being keep an audit trail. If they won't, fire them. |
| 21:37.00 | kim__ | karlpinc, I trust my admins just fine. But it still helps when the box goes kerplonk to figure out who touched it last and ask them what they did :-P |
| 21:37.13 | karlpinc | kim__: su leaves logs. |
| 21:37.18 | kim__ | karlpinc, I don't think I'll be firing my customers anytime soon ;-) |
| 21:37.28 | kim__ | karlpinc, true too |
| 21:37.43 | kim__ | maybe it's just a habit |
| 21:37.48 | karlpinc | kim__: YMMV. |
| 21:37.54 | kim__ | karlpinc, right |
| 21:38.10 | karlpinc | kim__: (Customers should be on a vm.) |
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| 21:38.56 | karlpinc | always does "sudo su" when using sudo. ;) |
| 21:39.20 | kim__ | karlpinc, customers ARE on a vm |
| 21:39.30 | kim__ | karlpinc, where they have sudo access |
| 21:39.38 | kim__ | O:-) |
| 21:39.50 | kim__ | also on some systems the customer owns the box |
| 21:39.56 | karlpinc | kim__: There's a good use-case, if you've got to pull their fat out of the fire. |
| 21:40.10 | kim__ | karlpinc, no kidding ;-) |
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| 21:41.03 | kim__ | dangit, this ain't working... |
| 21:41.49 | kim__ | I can't tell if my issues getting a mirror are due to network issues, or due to network failure |
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| 21:42.18 | queso | So if I add lenny-backports to sources.list to install postgresql-8.4, and leave it there to continue getting security updates, how do I prevent myself from installing other backports instead of stable packages while in aptitude? |
| 21:42.43 | craigevil | queso: pin the packages you want installed |
| 21:42.48 | gnarface | kim__: which mirror? status is listed here: http://mirror.debian.org/status.html |
| 21:43.04 | craigevil | although packages in backports will only install if you tell them to |
| 21:43.07 | kim__ | it's the network not working, with 99% certainty |
| 21:43.17 | kim__ | I tried several mirrors at random |
| 21:43.18 | kim__ | :-P |
| 21:43.30 | queso | craigevil: in aptitude, how do I see the stable packages if backports is in my sources? |
| 21:43.52 | kim__ | I'll try to see if I can just boot into the system, figure out the net, and then change the package.list |
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| 21:44.21 | uc50ic4more | hey, craigevil, i just posted something here about 5 minutes ago that no one responded to; relating closely to queso's query.. perhaps you can help me out? here it is: |
| 21:44.21 | uc50ic4more | Hello, friends - I am using Squeeze, with two packages (+ dependencies) coming from the experimental repository (iceweasel and chromium-browser)... The Debian wiki page pertaining to the experimental repository (forgot the URL but can retrieve it if necessary) has erroneous information about how to upgrade packages from experimental... Can someone here tell me how to upgrade packages from experimental using aptitude? Thanks! |
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| 21:46.13 | craigevil | uc50ic4more: pin exp, like this http://paste.debian.net/94629/ |
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| 21:46.51 | craigevil | use that in /etc/apt/preferences or create a new file in /etc/apt/preferences.d |
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| 21:47.38 | uc50ic4more | craigevil - gotcha! thanks a million!... |
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| 21:54.22 | coredump|br | xchat blinked on me but doesn't show me why |
| 21:54.24 | coredump|br | hate that |
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| 21:55.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | aptitude search '?tag(.*x11.*)' should find a lot? Or at least aptitude search '?tag(interface::x11)' |
| 21:56.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh |
| 21:56.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually works on the lenny system |
| 21:56.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | but not on the fresh squeeze |
| 21:57.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | squeeze aptitude exits that without a single hit |
| 21:57.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | duh |
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| 21:59.38 | sgeigerbot | python |
| 21:59.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | perl |
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| 21:59.59 | bronaugh | ocaml |
| 22:00.05 | metalfoo | Haskell |
| 22:00.10 | bronaugh | w00t! |
| 22:00.21 | bronaugh | sml |
| 22:00.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | fortran |
| 22:00.29 | metalfoo | gas |
| 22:00.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | brainfuck |
| 22:00.36 | bronaugh | hacks up CutMeOwnThroat into little pieces and feeds him to the feeshes |
| 22:00.38 | metalfoo | whitespace |
| 22:00.46 | bronaugh | NO FORTRAN |
| 22:01.28 | gravity | clojure |
| 22:01.58 | metalfoo | Visual Basic! |
| 22:02.41 | streuner | Who wants assembler? :-P |
| 22:02.53 | metalfoo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:03.20 | bronaugh | streuner: which one? |
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| 22:03.56 | streuner | ah, you make a difference between a nightmare and nightmare? ;-) |
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| 22:04.09 | bronaugh | oh c'mon :) |
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| 22:04.41 | gravity | assembly is rad. I hear great things about ARM assembly. |
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| 22:13.51 | streuner | gravity: Did you miss us much? :-P |
| 22:14.47 | fxkr | hmm, nautilus constantly using 100% cpu is not normal, right? |
| 22:14.56 | streuner | gravity: (How is life now, pretty busy) |
| 22:15.01 | fxkr | any idea what could cause this? |
| 22:15.14 | gravity | streuner: I've missed pretty much everything about Debian really :-) |
| 22:15.33 | gravity | streuner: And yeah, things have been crazy. I got married last month and went on honeymoon, so I'm still getting back to normal |
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| 22:15.48 | gravity | Hoping to make time for Debian soon |
| 22:15.53 | streuner | gravity: hehe, congrats btw |
| 22:15.58 | gravity | streuner: Thanks |
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| 22:16.15 | fxkr | hmm, i think the nautilus process that hogs so much CPU is the one that draws the desktop.. still no idea why, though... |
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| 22:19.54 | krisfremen | hey guys |
| 22:20.05 | krisfremen | anyone knows what i need to show japanese chars? |
| 22:20.19 | tharkun | gravity: Congrats on your marriage, don't be naive, your wife will not let you do that :D |
| 22:20.36 | streuner | lol |
| 22:20.49 | kim__ | ok, let's just build a bridge and see where we get |
| 22:21.30 | gravity | ha! |
| 22:21.38 | fxkr | @nautilus problem: "echo set X-GNOME-AutoRestart=false>>~/.config/autostart" seems to solve the problem, no idea why though (found it in a similiar issue somewhere on the internet) |
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| 22:25.52 | Number6 | Hmm, is there an easy way to keep a terminal connection alive? It keeps timing out |
| 22:26.25 | kim__ | over ssh? |
| 22:26.38 | kim__ | set keepalives in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
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| 22:26.52 | Number6 | Danke |
| 22:26.55 | kim__ | (i'm quoting from memory, you'll need to check if I have it exactly right) |
| 22:27.43 | gnarface | my terminal connections never time out |
| 22:27.45 | miOw | krisfremen: install ttf-sazanami-mincho ttf-sazanami-gothic |
| 22:27.48 | gnarface | am i doing something wrong? |
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| 22:30.02 | Lachesis | Hi everyone; I need help troubleshooting a problem on lenny with tv-out using a GeForce2 MX200. |
| 22:30.13 | Lachesis | i have no idea where to start unfortunately. |
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| 22:33.02 | Lachesis | i'm using SVideo, and instead of seeing video, I see rapidly scrolling horizontal white bars |
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| 22:38.39 | gnarface | Lachesis: you should start by reading your video card driver's docs |
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| 22:46.19 | pigdude | Hi, I need some advice |
| 22:46.20 | pigdude | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/272937/ |
| 22:46.48 | pigdude | If I'm reinstalling... |
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| 22:47.01 | pigdude | I guess I'd wipe out sda6 |
| 22:47.05 | streuner | that looks like a server |
| 22:47.13 | pigdude | but what will be the easiest way to migrate the other drives? |
| 22:47.32 | raskol | what do you need to "migrate" them to? |
| 22:47.34 | pigdude | streuner: yea, this is a development server, and I get to spend this friday evening upgrading it :^) |
| 22:47.41 | pigdude | raskol: in-place upgrade |
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| 22:47.45 | pigdude | raskol: clean install deb5 |
| 22:48.01 | pigdude | raskol: so I will back some things up ahead of time, but it looks like I don't really need to |
| 22:48.15 | pigdude | raskol: provided the data I need to backup is at /gbdev, /var, and /home |
| 22:48.21 | kim__ | moral for today, if you want netinst, get dhcp up |
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| 22:48.22 | pigdude | raskol: I have backed up the DBs because that's obvious |
| 22:48.26 | kim__ | well, trying anyway ;-) |
| 22:48.28 | pigdude | raskol: and I backed up /etc |
| 22:49.06 | pigdude | raskol: so do I just reinstall, wipe sda6, and then mount sda2 (var), sda3 (home), and sda5 (gbdev) to migrate the data? |
| 22:49.07 | thepro4ever | how do i alt tab between firefox tabs |
| 22:49.10 | gnarface | pigdude: you should back up the whole drive just in case, but if it has a previous version of debian on it already you don't have to re-install to upgrade |
| 22:49.11 | raskol | You can usually set the volumes to be mounted in fstab without formatting them |
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| 22:49.46 | pigdude | gnarface: this is running deb 4 but seems to have all sorts of issues. I'd upgrade in-place if I knew how but I am wary to entrust it all to dist-upgrade |
| 22:50.04 | pigdude | gnarface: not serious system issues, just in terms of the packages installed, third-party debs, etc |
| 22:50.23 | gnarface | pigdude: trust me its still going to be much easier than a fresh re-install and manual integration of the partitions you want to keep. |
| 22:50.33 | pigdude | yea, I think you have a point |
| 22:50.56 | raskol | What's so hard about editing /etc/fstab? Although keeping /var seems weird |
| 22:51.06 | pigdude | I don't want to keep /var |
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| 22:51.15 | pigdude | for that I think I will re-imiport the databases |
| 22:51.26 | pigdude | there's no other info there to back up except the contents of /var/repo where I keep the git repos |
| 22:51.52 | gnarface | pigdude: doing it is easy. fixing it if something goes wrong may not be, but stuff doesn't necessarily have to go wrong. all you need to do is change your /etc/apt/sources.list to point to lenny then do apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade (or alternately aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade) |
| 22:52.12 | gnarface | pigdude: just make sure you have a full backup first :) |
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| 22:52.53 | pigdude | gnarface: yea, unfortunately I don't quite have the facilities...this is one of those situations where I'm the only guy who knows a little unix admin so I'm doing it, but everything is ad-hoc |
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| 22:52.59 | pigdude | i.e. I'm backing up to this desktop here |
| 22:53.17 | gnarface | pigdude: dd is your friend |
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| 22:53.31 | pigdude | I imagine it is |
| 22:53.50 | pigdude | I guess the first thing to do is unmount /gbdev |
| 22:54.02 | pigdude | that is the most important data, and there's no reason for a dist-upgrade to need it |
| 22:54.12 | pigdude | does that make sense to you guys? |
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| 22:54.42 | raskol | so instead of backing it up you're going to unmount it? |
| 22:54.47 | raskol | I don't think anyone can *recommend* taht |
| 22:54.52 | pigdude | ok |
| 22:55.00 | raskol | but it probably won't get overwritten! |
| 22:55.03 | gnarface | pigdude: personally i'd boot from a live cd, make a .iso or tar of the whole drive and then copy that to a separate computer first |
| 22:55.06 | pigdude | yea, that's my only concern |
| 22:55.14 | pigdude | gnarface: I don't think I have the space to do that |
| 22:55.25 | thepro4ever | how do i alt tab between firefox tabs |
| 22:55.35 | pigdude | thepro4ever: <C-tab> |
| 22:55.43 | gnarface | pigdude: really? according to your pastebin that drive is pretty empty |
| 22:55.59 | pigdude | gnarface: which one? |
| 22:56.18 | gnarface | pigdude: nevermind you have an extra digit. |
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| 22:56.21 | pigdude | thepro4ever: <c-s-tab> to go the other way |
| 22:57.03 | pigdude | ok, so let's assume I've backed up and eaten my veggies, which I have not...The following packages have been kept back: linux-image-2.6-amd64 openssh-client openssh-server |
| 22:57.10 | pigdude | should I do something about these? |
| 22:57.22 | pigdude | or go straight for the switch-srces-to-lenny-and-dist-upgrade? |
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| 22:58.25 | gnarface | pigdude: if you haven't switched your sources yet then the packages held back by the previous version's repository are irrelevant. how do you have a working etch repo anyway? |
| 22:58.39 | pigdude | let me paste sources.list |
| 22:58.47 | gnarface | good plan |
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| 22:58.55 | Xenguy | !pastebin |
| 22:58.55 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 22:59.05 | gnarface | pigdude: pastebin it |
| 22:59.23 | pigdude | Xenguy: I'm no fool :^) |
| 22:59.24 | pigdude | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/272945/ |
| 22:59.32 | Xenguy | pigdude: very well ;-) |
| 22:59.52 | pigdude | gnarface: so that is how, however it is |
| 23:00.53 | yaliyi | !help |
| 23:01.06 | gnarface | pigdude: stand by |
| 23:01.59 | gnarface | pigdude: comment everything out then add these 4 lines http://pastebin.com/p3FesGBx |
| 23:02.23 | pigdude | ah that's why the lenny ones were missing |
| 23:02.27 | pigdude | thanks one sece |
| 23:03.06 | gnarface | pigdude: then just cross your fingers and run: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade (but i really would back everything up first if i were you) |
| 23:03.16 | pigdude | gnarface: yea, I will do that |
| 23:03.35 | pigdude | gnarface: and also I think I should probably unmount /gbdev...just to be safe and because it is the only thing I cannot back up |
| 23:03.41 | pigdude | size-wise |
| 23:04.00 | gnarface | pigdude: well then make sure you take it out of the fstab too |
| 23:04.12 | pigdude | thanks, I should do that too |
| 23:04.34 | gnarface | pigdude: the upgrade isn't likely to touch it or anything but i drink a lot, so i've learned to be pedantic about backups |
| 23:04.59 | pigdude | gnarface: your reasoning is sound |
| 23:05.04 | gnarface | backups are never a waste of time |
| 23:05.13 | pigdude | but drinking? :^) |
| 23:05.21 | pigdude | sips sam adams |
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| 23:09.21 | pigdude | thanks gnarface, raskol I will let you know how this goes |
| 23:09.30 | tharkun | !qotd0 |
| 23:09.31 | dpkg | 14:47 < sobersabre> "they've told me that to connect to the internet i needed modem, now i am holding it in my hand... how do i connect?" |
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| 23:09.49 | tharkun | !flw0 |
| 23:09.49 | dpkg | <timgoh0> timgoh0@oghma:/media# shred -n1 -z -v /dev/sdd #I may have gotten the wrong disk. :( |
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| 23:10.51 | efphe_ | hello, I have a deb 4.0, stable. python 2.4. I would like to install *also* python2.5, so I'll do: apt-get install python2.5. Is this safe? I mean... does this operation overwrite and/or modify system, for example making py2.5 default or someghing similar? |
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| 23:11.30 | bronaugh | efphe_: I'm pretty sure they don't clobber each other. |
| 23:11.44 | bronaugh | so all you need to do is use update-alternatives to make sure that python2.4 is default. |
| 23:11.46 | pigdude | efphe_: that's safe |
| 23:11.52 | efphe_ | good! |
| 23:11.54 | efphe_ | thank you |
| 23:12.06 | pigdude | efphe_: modules you installed w/ 2.4 will stop working if you remove 2.4 |
| 23:12.11 | pigdude | efphe_: and they will all refer to 2.4 |
| 23:12.16 | efphe_ | no |
| 23:12.21 | efphe_ | i won't remove 2.4 |
| 23:12.28 | efphe_ | i'll install 2.5 modules manually |
| 23:12.29 | NOMADICUS | Is there an off topic Debian channel? |
| 23:12.30 | pigdude | ok, just something to be aware of, that's all |
| 23:12.38 | Martin_vW | Hi. I have some accidentally upgraded packages on my server that look like this: http://pastie.org/private/v6ecrwbeb4qtkng8wxorrq |
| 23:12.38 | Martin_vW | Can anyone tell me how to locate these packages using aptitudes? I've been experimenting with http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html , but so far without luck. |
| 23:12.39 | efphe_ | ok, thank you again |
| 23:12.40 | pigdude | NOMADICUS: #ubuntu |
| 23:12.41 | gnarface | NOMADICUS: #debian-offtopic |
| 23:13.39 | stew | bronaugh: python isn't managed by update-alternatives |
| 23:13.47 | bronaugh | stew: isn't? |
| 23:13.47 | bronaugh | suck. |
| 23:13.59 | bronaugh | my first question is "why not" |
| 23:14.00 | stew | efphe_: 4.0 isn't stable, its outdated |
| 23:14.07 | efphe_ | i have 4.1 |
| 23:14.16 | stew | efphe_: 5.0 is stable, you should be upgrade |
| 23:14.19 | efphe_ | yes, it's old |
| 23:14.21 | stew | efphe_: 4.x is no longer supported |
| 23:14.34 | NOMADICUS | gnarface: pigdude: Simple. Thanks! |
| 23:14.40 | efphe_ | stew, i have an important prod env. |
| 23:14.44 | pigdude | NOMADICUS: btw I wasn't serious |
| 23:14.51 | stew | efphe_: then you should DEFINATLY be upgrading |
| 23:15.03 | efphe_ | so i can't switch in few seconds |
| 23:15.06 | pigdude | I was going to say, sounds like a neglected prod env :^) |
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| 23:15.21 | stew | efphe_: i hope its not on the internet then |
| 23:15.22 | pigdude | efphe_: everything runs off a single machine? |
| 23:15.24 | craigevil | efphe_: etch no longer on mirrors: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
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| 23:16.23 | gnarface | efphe_: running etch is like running windows98. you might think its saving you time not to upgrade but it is really not |
| 23:16.46 | metalfoo | Well, let's say Windows 2000 |
| 23:16.46 | tharkun | You requier some hard stomach to keep running etch |
| 23:17.14 | metalfoo | Windows 98 is more ... Ubuntu? |
| 23:17.18 | efphe_ | actually I have to maintain this system |
| 23:17.29 | efphe_ | in the future, we will swith and upgrade |
| 23:17.52 | efphe_ | I know what I do, I know what you say |
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| 23:18.00 | efphe_ | but that's it |
| 23:18.04 | pigdude | CROSSES FINGERS ... |
| 23:18.09 | efphe_ | eheh |
| 23:18.16 | pigdude | Do you want to continue [Y/n]? Y |
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| 23:18.57 | pigdude | gnarface: as you know, when my server explodes, it's all your fault :^) |
| 23:20.09 | gnarface | pigdude: just pastebin the error if it bails out. most such errors are easy to fix. for example it might complain about needing to upgrade the running kernel, but thats basically just a snafu |
| 23:20.25 | extor | Will a broadcom netxtreme gigabit "desktop" NIC be able to handle 100mbps traffic with about 10,000 simultaneous tcp connections on a VPS server all by itself with no bonding etc? |
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| 23:22.14 | gnarface | extor: you having issues with intermittent failures? i've had problems with some broadcom gigabit network cards that may have been either heat related or a driver bug, but only saturating them at full gigabit |
| 23:22.51 | bronaugh | it's gonna be hungry for CPU |
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| 23:23.01 | bronaugh | the desktop models typically do not include TCP offload etc. |
| 23:23.11 | gnarface | extor: in fact it was only happeing with netvault for some reason. once we ditched netvault for a tar/ssh/bash script i made it stopped happening |
| 23:23.21 | extor | gnarface cant go much above 10mbps |
| 23:23.25 | bronaugh | if you're beating on it that hard there might be a point in buying the server version. |
| 23:23.43 | extor | In my case I will be running 10 to 15 VPSes...each of which will have their own IP and be running 200 to 300 connections of their own |
| 23:24.06 | ska | Is it possible to setup a private Apt repos with limited number of packages? |
| 23:24.31 | bronaugh | ska: sure, it's just an http tree. the only tricky bit would be building the index. |
| 23:24.36 | bronaugh | perhaps others here can answer as to the index. |
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| 23:24.48 | RichiH | extor: unless the card does tcp state handling in hardware, it will not care what packets go through it |
| 23:24.51 | bronaugh | http://mediakey.dk/~cc/howto-create-your-own-debian-or-ubuntu-package-repository/ |
| 23:24.55 | extor | which sort of begs the question that...arent these virtual private servers doing tcp offload in their NICs to begin with? And merely "briding" across the realtek in layer2? Hence rendering tcp offload irrelevent? |
| 23:25.03 | bronaugh | it's pretty much trivial. |
| 23:25.11 | extor | RichiH, huh? |
| 23:25.54 | oOarthurOo | Hi... I'm setting up a computer for a friend; squeeze on a netbook, I've installed software center and all dependencies / recommends in order that they can easily explore and add software. But it doesn't work. It launches fine. But clicking install does nothing. No error. Just sits there. |
| 23:26.14 | extor | I currently have a realtek r8169 compatible embedded NIC in this frankenbox "server" of mine and I can't seem to hit much more than 10mbps |
| 23:26.14 | bronaugh | extor: you might want to check whether TCP offload stuff is enabled or not. |
| 23:26.26 | bronaugh | extor: 10megabits or 10megabytes? |
| 23:26.34 | extor | hrmm bits |
| 23:26.35 | ska | bronaugh: Thanks.. I need it to be self contained, but we don't need everything. We have some extra packages we probably need but I hope its something that I can base on a well installed system. |
| 23:26.48 | RichiH | extor: how or why should it matter how many separate connections exist? |
| 23:26.58 | bronaugh | ska: sure, just follow howto. |
| 23:27.06 | extor | bronaugh, I have a 100mbps uplink to my cisco 3548 XL 100mbps switch but this particular server is just terrible...can't seem to suck much bandwidth at all |
| 23:27.14 | RichiH | unless the card supports tcp offloading and is keeping the state of all tcp sessions itself |
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| 23:27.26 | bronaugh | extor: check kernel for interesting messages. |
| 23:27.28 | extor | RichiH, doesnt every single connection end up taxing the processor of the NIC? |
| 23:27.33 | bronaugh | also you might want to check if jumbo frames are enabled. |
| 23:27.47 | extor | doubts the realtek supports jumbo frames |
| 23:27.48 | RichiH | only if the card supports tcp offloading |
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| 23:27.50 | extor | or it might |
| 23:28.06 | RichiH | extor: i am not sure if a 3548 XL supports jumbo frames |
| 23:28.09 | gnarface | know what i like? cards that use the tulip driver! |
| 23:28.12 | RichiH | those are _ancient_ |
| 23:28.14 | bronaugh | it'll do jumbo packets. |
| 23:28.21 | bronaugh | the realtek. |
| 23:28.23 | oOarthurOo | using alacarte, I see that the execute command is different from say, software sources, which uses something like /gksu /path-to-application.desktopfile /path/to/executable .. whereas software center is just /path to executable. |
| 23:28.31 | extor | RichiH, damn I never thought of that...my very own cisco being a bottleneck |
| 23:28.56 | RichiH | make no mistake, other than the limit to 1000 vlans, the 3548 xl is a trusty workhorse |
| 23:29.17 | RichiH | but the "new" features don't work |
| 23:29.35 | gnarface | i know this makes me a peasant, but i'd take an openbsd box as a router over a piece of cisco hardware any day |
| 23:29.35 | RichiH | and jumbo frames are a gigabit feature, so it can not work on 100 mbit |
| 23:30.00 | oOarthurOo | what is strange though, and the reason I am seeking advice, is because for software properties, which works, the /pathtodesktopfile doesn't actually exist. That is, I can't find the application.desktop that should be at the end of path. So i'm having trouble modifying the startup for software cener |
| 23:30.09 | extor | an openbsd box cannot cough up 24 100mbps ports can it? |
| 23:30.10 | RichiH | gnarface: we are running several country-wide networks of high-profile customers with linux appliances |
| 23:30.17 | RichiH | so no, it does not make you a peon |
| 23:30.34 | RichiH | you need cisco and the like in the backbone as else, the boxes will melt down |
| 23:30.38 | RichiH | but other than that... |
| 23:30.51 | extor | the cisco is not a router, its merely a layer2 uplink switch inside my rack to link 8 servers to their uplink |
| 23:30.54 | pigdude | gnarface: yea, I think I'll be OK, I was just missing with you :^) |
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| 23:31.02 | pigdude | gnarface: I know how to solve most of the basic server issues |
| 23:31.12 | extor | wait, this ancient cisco prevents other boxes from melting down? How? |
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| 23:31.59 | gnarface | pigdude: generally the only issues i've had other than it wanting me to update the kernel first is just places where i forgot i changed something manually in /etc |
| 23:32.01 | RichiH | extor: no, i was referring to dedicated hardware needed for the backbone |
| 23:32.13 | Martin_vW | I've found the solution for my problem. aptitude actually can't do what I want, but someone found a hack: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^now]{3}.*$")),?version(CURRENT))' ( http://us.generation-nt.com/bug-579603-aptitude-archive-now-matches-installed-removed-not-purged-packages-help-197739221.html ) |
| 23:35.03 | oOarthurOo | here is output from terminal when run as root http://pastebin.com/seaRUiw3 |
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| 23:44.52 | pigdude | gnarface: hm, what sort of places? just curious |
| 23:44.58 | pigdude | gnarface: in /etc, that is |
| 23:45.47 | gnarface | pigdude: for example on my mailserver my exim4 configuration is highly customized to integrate imaps through courier-imaps which i've also customized a bit |
| 23:45.54 | pigdude | oh I see |
| 23:45.58 | gnarface | pigdude: bind9 too |
| 23:46.00 | pigdude | yea, that's why I made sure to back it up |
| 23:46.06 | pigdude | I don't think I'm running bind here |
| 23:46.16 | gnarface | pigdude: i'd also thrown spamd into the mix |
| 23:46.30 | pigdude | luckily all this server does is smtp |
| 23:46.43 | pigdude | and very basic at that |
| 23:46.53 | gnarface | pigdude: on my desktop i'd jacked with udev rules a bit to make my logitech dual optical mouse init in max dpi by default (which it does not otherwise) |
| 23:47.12 | pigdude | ok, I just encountered my first issue |
| 23:47.28 | gnarface | pigdude: also my xorg.conf on my desktop - i know its supposed to autodetect everything but that shit never works for me. i still use crt's and nvidia binary drivers |
| 23:47.33 | pigdude | at one time, I removed python2.4 from this server |
| 23:47.43 | pigdude | now, the upgrade is requiring it |
| 23:47.49 | pigdude | let me paste the error |
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| 23:48.23 | gnarface | pigdude: i think some of the higher-level grapical system configuration tools require python now. i wouldn't worry about it |
| 23:48.35 | pigdude | it was actually when upgrading a py module |
| 23:48.38 | gnarface | pigdude: and by not worry about it, i mean to say i'd let it have it if it wants it |
| 23:48.41 | pigdude | not one I installed, but nevertheless |
| 23:49.06 | pigdude | here's the error |
| 23:49.09 | pigdude | it's on pysqlite: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/272959/ |
| 23:49.41 | pigdude | I don't need this stuff, is there a way I can remove it and resume the dist-upgrade? |
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| 23:50.01 | pigdude | I manage my python libs w/ virtualenv and this server won't even be running any extra python services |
| 23:50.07 | gnarface | pigdude: just a guess here... but did someone change the /usr/bin/python symlink? |
| 23:50.11 | pigdude | I did |
| 23:50.19 | gnarface | does it point to anything right now? |
| 23:50.19 | pigdude | several months ago |
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| 23:50.21 | pigdude | 2.5 |
| 23:50.42 | gnarface | "/usr/bin/python does not match the python default version. It must be reset to point to %s" % debian_default |
| 23:50.43 | gnarface | ValueError: /usr/bin/python does not match the python default version. It must be reset to point to python2.4" |
| 23:50.47 | gnarface | that's the line i'd take to heart first |
| 23:50.47 | thepro4ever | how do i cream a bmp image, in windows installs you typically have mspaint , what can I use in debian? |
| 23:50.47 | salieri | hrm they always told me to leave system python/perl alone; said bad things would happen. |
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| 23:50.52 | pigdude | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/272959/ |
| 23:50.54 | pigdude | oops |
| 23:50.56 | pigdude | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Aug 26 00:43 python -> python2.5 |
| 23:51.01 | salieri | thepro4ever: apt-get install gimp |
| 23:51.02 | thepro4ever | how do i create a bmp image, in windows installs you typically have mspaint , what can I use in debian? |
| 23:51.08 | pigdude | but I cannot reset it to 2.4 |
| 23:51.11 | pigdude | 2.4 is not installed |
| 23:51.35 | rking | thepro4ever: The Gimp is the full-featured image tool, there are surely dinky ones you can use, too. |
| 23:51.40 | gnarface | pigdude: did you rip it out with pliers or something? it seems to be failing to uninstall it |
| 23:52.04 | pigdude | dpkg claims it's installed |
| 23:52.04 | dpkg | pigdude: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 23:52.12 | gnarface | thepro4ever: gimp |
| 23:52.14 | salieri | heh which brings us to the topic of "what does one do when apt's dbase fails" :-( |
| 23:52.17 | pigdude | so I guess it was pliers |
| 23:52.37 | gnarface | pigdude: try dpkg --purge python2.4 |
| 23:52.41 | pigdude | um |
| 23:52.47 | pigdude | apparently I moved it to "python4" |
| 23:52.49 | pigdude | ! |
| 23:52.50 | salieri | what does dpkg -l |grep -i python say? |
| 23:52.54 | gnarface | pigdude: hah! |
| 23:52.55 | pigdude | let me correct that |
| 23:53.03 | pigdude | it worked at the time, that's all I'll say :^) |
| 23:53.16 | gnarface | pigdude: yea it clearly needs some of the package intact to do a clean uninstall. that's whats failing |
| 23:53.52 | pigdude | now I get an 'unmet depencies' message recommending apt-get -f install...should I feel secure in doing that? |
| 23:53.59 | pigdude | this is on my resumption of dist-upgrade |
| 23:54.08 | gnarface | whats it missing? |
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| 23:54.33 | pigdude | here is the specific message http://paste.pocoo.org/show/272961/ |
| 23:54.34 | thepro4ever | OMG GIMP IS SO COMPLICATED |
| 23:54.40 | pigdude | some java stuff |
| 23:54.46 | pigdude | and a perl lib it seemse |
| 23:54.49 | gnarface | pigdude: in the future always remove packages through dpkg or apt-get or aptitude - removing stuff with rm causes problems like this |
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| 23:55.08 | pigdude | gnarface: yea, I'm not sure what my reasoning was but it was less than sound |
| 23:55.20 | gnarface | pigdude: it says try using -f. i'd try using -f |
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| 23:55.39 | gnarface | pigdude: -f for "fix broken dependencies" i believe |
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| 23:55.42 | salieri | thepro4ever: yeah it's like photoshop :-P |
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| 23:55.52 | pigdude | hm, E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (1) on debconf ... do I need to clean something? |
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| 23:56.01 | pigdude | sorry, I'm a bit unfamiliar w/ the finer points of apt-* |
| 23:56.02 | metalfoo | Isn't gimp supposed to (finally) change UI in the near future? |
| 23:56.07 | salieri | i mean what is really wanted is xv; but that guy pulled his code from debian a long time ago :-(. it's only avail in openbsd |
| 23:56.20 | jhutchins_lt | thepro4ever: It's competition is completely command-line driven: imagemagick. |
| 23:56.23 | thepro4ever | salieri: i just want to draw and save a bmp |
| 23:56.26 | rking | thepro4ever: If you do a couple tutorials, it might bring you around. I don't have any trouble doing anything I want with it. |
| 23:56.39 | salieri | yeah gimp should be able to do that just fine |
| 23:57.15 | TMM | it's an multi-window interface, people aren't used to those anymore, even though for multi-monitor use they are vastly superior |
| 23:57.18 | jhutchins_lt | So should imagemagic for that matter. |
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| 23:57.29 | salieri | you can check out the alternatives with "apt-cache search draw | less" and go thru em |
| 23:57.36 | gnarface | pigdude: configuration script on some package is failing? yea see if you can remove that package with dpkg --purge first (purge also removes config files and such so an upgrade/reinstall won't try to deconfigure the old broken package first) |
| 23:57.40 | salieri | TMM: say what now? ppl aren't used to multiple windows? |
| 23:57.42 | rking | metalfoo: The only thing that's weird is the detached windows, everything else is pretty much essential complexity. If someone tries to do image editing and doesn't understand layers, selections, paths, resolution, etc., they're going to be kindergarteners no matter what |
| 23:58.15 | TMM | salieri, no they are not, especially not within a single application. People use desktop systems like smartphones, one app, full screen |
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| 23:59.01 | metalfoo | Yes, as said, as far as I know gimp is about to change to a single window layout, similar to a product known from Adobe. |
| 23:59.12 | icebrain | multi-window is fine. Not having layer groups is bad, very bad. |
| 23:59.14 | pigdude | gnarface: it does not report the package name |
| 23:59.26 | TMM | I hope they keep the multi-window stuff as an option |
| 23:59.28 | salieri | TMM: ah this is why i <3 my 1990s era lifestyle :-) |
| 23:59.30 | jhutchins_lt | metalfoo: I think that's a fork, and it seems like it comes and goes. |