| 00:00.08 | metalfoo | Uhm, no. http://gui.gimp.org/index.php/GIMP_UI_Redesign |
| 00:00.10 | salieri | how do you even code with just one window open? i at least need 3 or for docs, headers, cpp file, etc.. |
| 00:00.12 | metalfoo | Didn't follow though |
| 00:00.19 | TMM | salieri, just moved to e17 man, 1990's era window use with next-gen eyecany. People look puzzled when they watch me work, it's worth it's weight in gold :P |
| 00:00.49 | gnarface | pigdude: look through the output of dpkg -l for lines that don't start with "ii" |
| 00:00.56 | salieri | haha yeah my friend has e17 running on buntu on his macbook pro. ppl at the coffeeshop stare, look, one even got pissed because it has way more customisation than aqua |
| 00:01.18 | salieri | tho i do have a softspot for ctwm |
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| 00:01.41 | TMM | salieri, I moved from gnome to xfce to e17 :) |
| 00:01.42 | pigdude | gnarface: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/272964/ |
| 00:02.12 | TMM | salieri, well, technically speaking the list is a tad longer, but this is over the last couple of years |
| 00:02.17 | gnarface | pigdude: well we've come this far. dpkg --purge all of them? |
| 00:02.26 | rhys | anyone have a best practice for upgrading single packages from stable to testing? |
| 00:02.40 | pigdude | what does 'rc' mean? |
| 00:02.42 | pigdude | always wondered |
| 00:02.54 | gnarface | pigdude: it was removed but some cruft may have been left behind. config files and such |
| 00:03.00 | pigdude | ah |
| 00:03.11 | pigdude | sure, I don't see the harm in removing these |
| 00:03.33 | gnarface | pigdude: they typically aren't a problem just being there other than being a waste of space, but we're narrowing down potential issues here |
| 00:04.08 | TMM | rhys, add the source repo from testing to your stable system, apt-get source <package> ; apt-get build-dep <package>; cd <package-version>; dpkg-buildpackge; cd ..; dpkg -i <package> |
| 00:04.29 | TMM | rhys, then remove the testing source line from your apt config again |
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| 00:04.44 | pigdude | gnarface: actually I have better output for that, one sec |
| 00:04.52 | salieri | TMM ah you got sick of the bloat huh. |
| 00:05.38 | rhys | TMM, any reason not to use the binary? |
| 00:05.44 | TMM | salieri, the bloat is nice for like, my mom and girlfriend, but I don't actually use 90% of that shit :P so when my 8 core/16gb desktop took a minute to boot I started to get pissed off |
| 00:05.51 | TMM | rhys, yes |
| 00:06.04 | rhys | I'm sure it works, it doesn't use anything fancy library wise |
| 00:06.09 | pigdude | gnarface: the failed package comes first http://paste.pocoo.org/show/272965/ |
| 00:06.15 | pigdude | the last failed one that is |
| 00:06.16 | salieri | dude if your 8 core 1gb desktop takes as long as my 333Mhz celeron with 128 megs ram ... yeah i'd be pissed too. |
| 00:06.27 | rhys | ... boot? |
| 00:06.41 | salieri | yeah it'sfrom all them initializations in gnome |
| 00:06.53 | TMM | rhys, well, that is what I consider 'best practice' if you think using the binary is fine, just get it from packages.debian.org and dpkg -i it |
| 00:07.13 | salieri | oho i had issues with that once, cuz the libs weren't pulled in. |
| 00:07.22 | TMM | 'best practice' is highly subjective |
| 00:07.30 | rhys | TMM hmm... i shouldn't install compiling tools on production machines |
| 00:07.32 | rhys | i don't like doing it |
| 00:07.33 | pigdude | so what does iU mean? |
| 00:07.58 | gnarface | pigdude: i'm not sure i'm looking it up now but i think iFR means "fucked royally" |
| 00:07.59 | TMM | rhys, why not? last time a having or not having a compiler barred anyone from running code was what... VAX? |
| 00:08.03 | pigdude | haha |
| 00:08.03 | salieri | heh is perlcc installed :-P |
| 00:08.18 | pigdude | yea, I'm looking for a list of these codes too |
| 00:08.19 | salieri | TMM: it's part of the "lockdown" checklist "remove all compile tools" |
| 00:08.28 | TMM | that's a stupid entry |
| 00:08.36 | salieri | it's an old book :-( |
| 00:08.44 | TMM | VERY old apparently |
| 00:08.50 | pigdude | gnarface: http://www.blindedbytech.com/2007/10/04/apt-get-package-status-codes/ |
| 00:08.59 | rhys | TMM, if you have never read the PCI manual... there are -alot- of stupid entries |
| 00:09.01 | pigdude | gnarface: installed, unpacked, needs reinstall |
| 00:09.17 | gnarface | pigdude: so this is what happens when you seriously hose your package tree. one thing that often works as a last resort: go to the etch archive, download that package and install it manually. then immediately uninstall it manually. i think the uninstalls are failing because not enough of the package is left there for it to uninstall itself |
| 00:09.19 | pigdude | and my assumption is that the others were up next |
| 00:09.35 | TMM | rhys, I try not to read 'best practice' manuals of more than 2 years old :P |
| 00:09.53 | gnarface | pigdude: and by install/uninstall manually i mean dpkg -i/dpkg --purge |
| 00:09.55 | rhys | TMM, i stop reading when i see "best practice" in any kind of book |
| 00:09.57 | salieri | pigdude: be brave sir, i have done this too once, when i was going from potato -> woody -> sid and the power died as apt was updating the db. it was sadness |
| 00:10.04 | pigdude | hm |
| 00:10.08 | pigdude | I just had py2.4 in the wrong spot |
| 00:10.10 | pigdude | oh well |
| 00:10.18 | gnarface | pigdude: that can't be all thats wrong with this |
| 00:10.20 | TMM | rhys, you were just asking for a best practice... were you planning on reading any replies? :P |
| 00:10.32 | rhys | the only reason I refer to the idea of "best practices" is when i sit around at hackerspaces or bars or IRC with other admins and try to figure out whats the best way any of us can figure out how to do something |
| 00:10.41 | pigdude | before I can do anything, I've gotta figure out what the deal is with |
| 00:10.42 | pigdude | E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (1) on debconf |
| 00:10.45 | gnarface | pigdude: wait before you do anything |
| 00:10.49 | pigdude | because I cannot do anything before that |
| 00:10.51 | pigdude | yea |
| 00:10.59 | gnarface | pigdude: what happens if you dpkg --purge python-pysqlite2 right now? |
| 00:11.07 | pigdude | gnarface: I get the do -f message for that |
| 00:11.11 | pigdude | oh dpkg |
| 00:11.12 | pigdude | one moment |
| 00:11.16 | rhys | because i think people who aren't trying to promote their opinion to the world are probably much more qualified to answer. the guy who thinks he knows "best" and wants to tell everyone, is usually an ass. |
| 00:11.35 | TMM | rhys, well, building from source with build-deps of the package will let you build against the libs of stable. If you install the binary package chances are it'll bitch about some point release upgrade that's simply pointless because of debhelper's 'input' |
| 00:11.59 | TMM | rhys, it'll allow you to keep your system at 'stable' for as many packages as possible |
| 00:12.19 | pigdude | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:12.20 | salieri | TMM's got a point that's how you can make sure that it will link against the local libs, cuz say the bleeding edge stuff might depend on another lib C |
| 00:12.21 | pigdude | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/272966/ |
| 00:12.31 | salieri | (happened to me on potato->sid) |
| 00:12.32 | pigdude | so trac depends on it |
| 00:12.46 | rhys | TMM, alright. I'll spin up a VM and compile it on that |
| 00:12.55 | pigdude | but this server does not use trac |
| 00:12.58 | TMM | rhys, of course, sometimes it'll actually NEED never libs, then you give those the same treatment, separately, and only if they don't handle any user data so not upgrading them doesn't pose a significant security risk. |
| 00:13.00 | rhys | then roll it out with the reprepro repo im trying to setup |
| 00:13.11 | TMM | rhys, that's even bester practice :P |
| 00:13.30 | rhys | heh. Users. as in this case our asterisk contractors |
| 00:13.32 | salieri | actually *is* ther eany reason not to have the latest repos on your source repo lines? you always probably want the latest, unless you're using the src to find out what's wrong with the current binary... |
| 00:13.36 | NOMADICUS | Hello, I am having troubles with suspend. The system hangs. How do I correct this? |
| 00:13.48 | pigdude | now this is very interesting http://paste.pocoo.org/show/272967/ |
| 00:14.00 | pigdude | so I zap trac, but then it still doesn't let me remove pysqlite |
| 00:14.01 | salieri | apt-get install hibernate |
| 00:14.04 | TMM | rhys, if you'd really like to impress next time you'd say "I'll debootstrap a chroot to compile" instead of "vm" |
| 00:14.19 | salieri | he prolly meant chrooted vbox |
| 00:14.31 | pigdude | gnarface: so this is consistent with your 'grab the package and reinstall it' advice |
| 00:14.45 | pigdude | I wish I could tell debian just to tell pysqlite to shove it and never again think of that package |
| 00:14.48 | TMM | he probably meant "Installing another debian stable in VMWare server" or something as nasty as that |
| 00:14.57 | salieri | dpkg --purce pysqlite ? |
| 00:14.58 | dpkg | salieri: i don't know |
| 00:14.59 | rhys | Ubuntu KVM actually |
| 00:15.00 | gnarface | pigdude: yea - "Package is in a very bad inconsistent state" ... lol whatever you did to it don't do that again |
| 00:15.01 | NOMADICUS | salieri: Cool! I didn't know about that, I'll install it. |
| 00:15.05 | pigdude | salieri: yea, note http://paste.pocoo.org/show/272967/ |
| 00:15.06 | rhys | or virtualbox |
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| 00:15.09 | TMM | and what the hell is a chrooted vbox anyway? :P |
| 00:15.21 | pigdude | gnarface: apt-get dist-upgrade caused that, w/ py2.4 out of place |
| 00:15.24 | salieri | virtual box set up in a chrooted dir |
| 00:15.33 | pigdude | amazed the system wouldn't do a whereis python2.4 and continue |
| 00:15.35 | TMM | rhys, look at debootstrap, it's much nicer for these sorts of things |
| 00:16.11 | gnarface | pigdude: :-/ unfortunately the stock python installs are an achilles heel of these debian versions. too much of the upgrade path depends on it |
| 00:16.27 | salieri | "do not upgrade system python you will be sad" is the mantra |
| 00:16.32 | pigdude | right b/c all the py packages I imagine use python setup.py |
| 00:16.34 | salieri | i think same with perl too. |
| 00:16.39 | pigdude | so, I have not dealt w/ this sort of thing before...what do I do? |
| 00:16.49 | gnarface | pigdude: there IS a way to setup a custom python install without running afoul of the stock one. you just have to be careful. |
| 00:16.58 | pigdude | first I have to find the package, for etch or something |
| 00:17.00 | paranoidphreak | hi everybody, is there anyway to control the volume of individual mp3 files from a playlist within rhythmbox or some similar audio player app? |
| 00:17.03 | gnarface | pigdude: for now just grab that package off the etch repo and dpkg -i it |
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| 00:17.20 | gnarface | pigdude: the urls in your old /etc/apt/sources.list that you commented out? you can go to the archives one with a web browser, most likely |
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| 00:17.26 | pigdude | ah |
| 00:17.27 | pigdude | ok |
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| 00:17.56 | rhys | hmmmm |
| 00:18.26 | rhys | ill do a debbootstrap inside of a vm |
| 00:18.29 | gnarface | pigdude: next time around don't start unscrewing parts of your packages manually. make a completely separate package for your dev purposes and put it in /usr/local and let the system keep its default stuff |
| 00:18.31 | pigdude | so I guess it's somewhere in here? http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/ |
| 00:18.42 | pigdude | I have no idea how to find this but I'm trying |
| 00:18.48 | pigdude | gnarface: I think that is good advice |
| 00:19.28 | pigdude | none of these directories seem to have anything of value here |
| 00:19.41 | gnarface | pigdude: its in there somewhere |
| 00:19.50 | stew | pigdude: you are running etch/ |
| 00:20.00 | pigdude | stew: yes, I poked around the 4.0 and etc dirs |
| 00:20.06 | gnarface | pigdude: i'm surprised the channel bot can't just get you a link to it |
| 00:20.08 | stew | pigdude: /msg dpkg etch sources.list |
| 00:20.25 | gnarface | stew: he's halfway through an upgrade to lenny |
| 00:20.37 | pigdude | yes, that is the URL I'm already at |
| 00:21.18 | stew | pigdude: change you sources.list to etch, aptitude update, aptitude update ; aptitude install python-pysqlite2 ; then make sure everything else is up to date for etch |
| 00:21.30 | stew | pigdude: then continue with whereever you were in chapter 4 of the release notes |
| 00:21.38 | pigdude | I guess this is it? http://archive.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/python-pysqlite2/ |
| 00:21.53 | gnarface | pigdude: bingo |
| 00:21.54 | pigdude | I wonder what I do with that |
| 00:22.01 | pigdude | just wget and dpkg -i it ?! |
| 00:22.06 | gnarface | pigdude: yep |
| 00:22.07 | pigdude | I don't feel so lucky |
| 00:22.08 | pigdude | ok |
| 00:22.13 | stew | pigdude: did you make sure you were up to date with etch before starting? |
| 00:22.17 | gnarface | pigdude: make sure you use the right arch for your system |
| 00:22.18 | pigdude | stew: yes |
| 00:22.32 | pigdude | stew: apart from a held-back kernel and openssh-server, client |
| 00:22.48 | gnarface | pigdude: i've got faith this will work |
| 00:22.48 | TMM | how is Debian going to handle the whole udev horribleness on upgrades to the next stable anyway? I've been trying upgrades for months now, and every time it complains about something horrible. I know how to fix it and what the underlaying problem is, but it does not fill one with confidence that there's NO FALLBACK |
| 00:22.56 | TMM | no way to boot previous kernel |
| 00:22.58 | stew | pigdude: are you following the release notes? |
| 00:23.06 | pigdude | stew: no |
| 00:23.24 | stew | pigdude: yeah, i figured, or else you would have caught this before you changed your sources.list |
| 00:23.28 | stew | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#package-status |
| 00:23.52 | gnarface | ooh dpkg --audit. i didn't even know |
| 00:24.01 | gnarface | thanks stew |
| 00:24.20 | pigdude | I'm not quite sure what to make of this, did I select the wrong package? |
| 00:24.21 | pigdude | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/272974/ |
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| 00:24.32 | pigdude | it's searching for py2.5 stuff |
| 00:24.45 | pigdude | I got this from http://archive.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/python-pysqlite2/ which makes no debian version distinction |
| 00:25.11 | gnarface | hmm. |
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| 00:26.08 | stew | pigdude: you want to run "dpkg --configure -a" probably, but i'd still recommend adding etch sources back |
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| 00:26.33 | pigdude | stew: many lenny stuff is already installed |
| 00:26.41 | stew | yes |
| 00:28.47 | gnarface | pigdude: |
| 00:28.55 | gnarface | pigdude: before you try that: http://archive.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/python-sqlite/python-sqlite_1.0.1-5_i386.deb |
| 00:29.13 | gnarface | he's probably right but if this is the only thing jacked up then this is the version you should be dpkg -i |
| 00:29.20 | pigdude | stew: that worked wonders, and the package installed |
| 00:29.28 | pigdude | stew: now my apt-get -f install resumes |
| 00:29.31 | stew | gnarface: installing python-sqlite isn't going to help pythong-sqlite2 |
| 00:29.37 | pigdude | gnarface: that makes sense |
| 00:29.38 | stew | pigdude: you should really be using aptitude not apt-get |
| 00:29.42 | gnarface | stew: doh! |
| 00:29.49 | gnarface | pigdude: stew knows more than me. listen to him |
| 00:30.01 | pigdude | stew: I agree, is there a way to transition? my understanding always was that once you begin using one, you are stuck with it |
| 00:30.07 | pigdude | stew: I inherited this system |
| 00:30.20 | stew | pigdude: once you are on lenny you can use either |
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| 00:30.35 | pigdude | stew: ok, so there are no consequences for dropping one for another? |
| 00:31.23 | stew | pigdude: there might be packages which are currently marked as automatically installed by aptitude, so just pay attention to what it wants to remove. but in any case, you want aptitude at least to do the dependency resolution for the upgrade |
| 00:31.34 | stew | pigdude: and you really want to be reading chapter 4 of the release notes |
| 00:33.09 | pigdude | thanks, I will do that |
| 00:33.22 | pigdude | (when things break beyond all recognition) |
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| 00:34.11 | gnarface | once i learned to stop fighting the package system it stopped fighting me back |
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| 00:34.55 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:35.15 | stew | not mine |
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| 00:35.53 | gnarface | stew: some of us can't leave well enough alone and just use stock packages. we're aware its a personality flaw :-p |
| 00:36.20 | gnarface | i've gotten much better about that though |
| 00:36.32 | pigdude | hehe |
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| 00:36.38 | pigdude | there's always a place for /usr/local |
| 00:36.43 | pigdude | some thing just have to be built |
| 00:36.49 | pigdude | like SphinxSE for MySQL |
| 00:36.56 | gnarface | yea i like bleeding-edge ffmpeg features |
| 00:37.02 | pigdude | ah |
| 00:37.07 | pigdude | i'm more of just a dev geek |
| 00:37.15 | gnarface | and libmp3lame support |
| 00:37.58 | gnarface | i used to need custom php packages a lot, but for the last couple years debian's huge stack of modular php5 packages have covered everything i need |
| 00:38.11 | gnarface | something you won't find on a centos server |
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| 00:51.03 | pigdude | hm |
| 00:51.03 | pigdude | yea |
| 00:51.13 | pigdude | I tend to always dist critical php libs |
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| 00:51.21 | pigdude | and use virtualenv for py |
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| 00:51.34 | pigdude | but I've got an idea of a pear/pecl-based virtualenv for py |
| 00:51.36 | pigdude | *php |
| 00:51.49 | pigdude | that would be really useful b/c the OS package and lib dist methods are both pretty shoddy |
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| 01:00.56 | BLZbubba | is there an easy way to have linux keep a particular file in the disk cache? |
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| 01:01.44 | gnarface | BLZbubba: i'd like to know that too. i'd also like to know how to tell it not to |
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| 01:02.48 | BLZbubba | i'm sure there are ways to hack it, maybe with mmap |
| 01:02.56 | ElDeablo | Boa noite! |
| 01:02.58 | BLZbubba | but i can't be the first person to think about doing this :P |
| 01:03.22 | bronaugh | put it on tmpfs |
| 01:03.35 | bronaugh | even that's not really a guarantee though. |
| 01:03.39 | pigdude | gnarface: thanks for all the help! |
| 01:03.41 | pigdude | gnarface: up and running |
| 01:03.44 | pigdude | stew: you too! |
| 01:03.47 | gnarface | pigdude: hooraaay!!! |
| 01:03.56 | pigdude | yes, a harrowing friday :^) |
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| 01:04.16 | gnarface | pigdude: now from now on don't mangle your packages and don't let your servers stagnate past 'stable' |
| 01:04.22 | pigdude | yea, lesson well-learned |
| 01:04.33 | pigdude | granted this server was outdated when I got here |
| 01:04.34 | pigdude | badly so |
| 01:04.52 | pigdude | but my dealings w/ py24...cavalier to say the least |
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| 01:05.39 | pigdude | triumphantly quits wrong app |
| 01:05.45 | BLZbubba | it's a db file, probably not good for tmpfs :) |
| 01:05.46 | pigdude | well have a good weekend, I feel like I know a lot more about dpkg now |
| 01:06.01 | pigdude | and again thanks for all the help |
| 01:06.05 | gnarface | pigdude: i do too! happy friday |
| 01:06.08 | pigdude | yes! |
| 01:06.14 | pigdude | waddles |
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| 01:11.26 | Nikyo | Helllo.. |
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| 01:12.32 | tarkaram | Is there a package to draw binary trees. I googled but havent had much luck |
| 01:13.00 | gnarface | define 'draw' |
| 01:13.08 | bronaugh | graphviz |
| 01:13.38 | Gm4n | My squeeze box is running apache2 with dav_svn. I'd like some way for my svn code to know what revision it is. Is it possible to make dav_svn execute a script on a commit (to echo revision number into a file)? Or is there another way to give svn exports of code the version number? |
| 01:13.52 | bronaugh | impressive feat for an accordion. |
| 01:14.04 | tarkaram | gnarface: a program where I can mention the number of levels and the output will be a 5 level binary tree |
| 01:14.25 | gnarface | tarkaram: graphviz sounds like it |
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| 01:14.37 | gnarface | bronaugh: damn i'm glad you are here. i've learned all kinds of crap from you and stew today |
| 01:14.44 | tarkaram | bronaugh, gnarface : Thanks. |
| 01:15.09 | gnarface | dutchfish too, thank you guys for knowing shit |
| 01:15.13 | gnarface | and sharing |
| 01:15.17 | bronaugh | shrug. |
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| 01:15.19 | bronaugh | doesn't take me much time. |
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| 01:16.24 | bronaugh | BLZbubba: you might consider messing with the i/o scheduler though. ionice will let you set some processes to run with realtime priority... |
| 01:16.29 | bronaugh | might help with the db perf. |
| 01:16.52 | Nikyo | @gnarface: helping is why Linux stays on top of the Operating Systems chain. ;-) |
| 01:17.54 | gnarface | and here i thought it was just because ls --color -F was so damned sexy |
| 01:18.03 | bronaugh | ls --color=auto |
| 01:18.13 | Nikyo | @gnarface: ;-) |
| 01:18.17 | bronaugh | that way when you run the output through less, it doesn't look like the ASCII monster puked on it. |
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| 01:18.32 | gnarface | bronaugh: i learn yet another thing! thanks |
| 01:19.39 | gnarface | had already added (add-hook 'shell-mode-hook 'ansi-color-for-comint-mode-on) to his ~/.emacs file |
| 01:20.18 | bronaugh | emacs-head eh? |
| 01:20.40 | gnarface | bronaugh: i blame my cs 101 teacher |
| 01:20.46 | rking | bronaugh: less -R |
| 01:21.19 | bronaugh | rking: cute; something new every day. |
| 01:22.15 | bronaugh | shame you can't set that in a global config file somewhere. |
| 01:22.46 | bronaugh | (yeah, I know, you can alias it; but it's not perfect) |
| 01:24.05 | gnarface | that --color=auto thing is in debian's stock /root/.bashrc file, just commented out. i just never bothered adding the =auto part to my user .bashrc because i didn't know what it was for |
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| 01:25.00 | gnarface | there's actually a few aliases commented-out in root's .bashrc that i wouldn't mind being default in all users' bashrc files |
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| 01:26.06 | vaba | how do i configure sound |
| 01:26.25 | gnarface | vaba: ask dpkg about alsa-checklist i think |
| 01:26.55 | Xenguy | !tell vaba about alsa-checklist |
| 01:27.08 | vaba | thx |
| 01:27.09 | gnarface | vaba: 9 times out of 10 its configured you just can't hear it because the volumes are all defaulted to 0 or some shit. |
| 01:27.32 | vaba | um thx |
| 01:27.43 | bronaugh | Xenguy: cute, but dpkg's list doesn't cover things like dmix or convulseaudio |
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| 01:28.07 | Xenguy | bronaugh: yeah, it's scary out there :-) |
| 01:28.32 | bronaugh | I call it "convulse" because the default behaviour when streaming audio across a network when there's a dropout is to play white noise :/ |
| 01:28.35 | gnarface | vaba: the other 1 out of 10 times there's something horrible in the way of alsa (like pulseaudio or esound) or some simple snafu, like your soundcard doesn't support hardware mixing but your window manager has tied up the hardware channel so nothing else can use it |
| 01:28.35 | bronaugh | whoops. |
| 01:28.56 | Xenguy | bronaugh: hifi |
| 01:28.58 | bronaugh | vaba: lsof | grep pcm |
| 01:29.41 | Xenguy | brb |
| 01:29.46 | vaba | thx i will try |
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| 01:31.13 | rking | sudo lsof /dev/snd/*; <-- What I usually do (but I have plural users on this machine) |
| 01:32.02 | rking | I'm not sure of the lsof | grep pcm (or sudo lsof | grep pcm) would work in that case or not... I'll have to try it next time I get an audio lockout |
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| 01:36.12 | bronaugh | rking: won't help with the mixer, but the devices are typically named pcm*... |
| 01:36.26 | bronaugh | pcm devs that is. |
| 01:37.06 | rking | bronaugh: I don't recall ever having to kill the mixers to free the card, anyway. |
| 01:38.27 | bronaugh | rking: I've had it happen once or twice. |
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| 01:43.13 | mhall | Does anybody have a good recommendation for a CLI HTML checker? I want to be sure this big gnarly page I am editing is not filled with crap. |
| 01:43.23 | markybob | phpmyadmin failed to install correctly on lenny. when trying to remove it, i'm getting a post-removal script error. what can i do to fix this? http://dpaste.com/255269/ |
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| 01:43.42 | rking | mhall: I just use the w3c.com interface, but there's a CLI tool for it for sure... 1min |
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| 01:44.41 | rking | mhall: tidy ? |
| 01:45.34 | mhall | rking: indeed that looks like what i need |
| 01:45.39 | mhall | rking: thanks for your assistance |
| 01:46.19 | rking | bows and does the hand-roll flourish. |
| 01:46.33 | mhall | this is why i go ask people for advice before i do stuff |
| 01:46.51 | mhall | otherwise i end up @#$%ing myself when i don't know something and don't admit i don't know it |
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| 01:48.01 | mhall | rking: is it also possible to convince it to reformat and reindent, or only verify? |
| 01:48.18 | mhall | indeed, it appears it can indent |
| 01:48.28 | mhall | awesome, they really thought of everything in this program |
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| 01:51.38 | bronaugh | mhall: if you want more of a chainsaw, the w3c's HTML validator is useful. |
| 01:51.44 | bronaugh | but for a totally orthogonal purpose. |
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| 01:53.02 | mhall | this is working perfectly actually |
| 01:53.05 | mhall | rking was spot-on |
| 01:53.10 | mhall | and got me exactly what i needed |
| 01:53.17 | owen1_ | what options can i pass to curl to give me some info about the server, like webserver used etc? |
| 01:53.23 | mhall | it reformatted, and fixed up some flaky tags that came out of the office application |
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| 01:53.57 | mhall | which is what i needed because i wanted to fix some stuff with sed but i couldn't do it until all the tags were opened and closed and the document was correctly formatted |
| 01:54.09 | rking | owen1_: Looks like -D file will dump the headers to a file, and then you can check out everything there is to see there |
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| 01:55.07 | owen1_ | rking: nice! |
| 01:55.17 | rking | owen1_: Also -D - to use stdout as the file |
| 01:55.33 | mhall | next week i'll make a heinous hack job awk script, to add form variables on every place where i want to accept input |
| 01:55.42 | mhall | then i should have this little HTML problem solved for now |
| 01:55.56 | mhall | and i can create a form in Acrobat to get a PDF form file |
| 01:55.58 | mhall | sweet |
| 01:56.23 | owen1_ | rking: is there a way to find the language the site was developed? |
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| 01:56.41 | owen1_ | rking: -D told me about nginx but not php/java etc |
| 01:56.56 | rking | owen1_: Ohh.. that's going to be a challenge. Start by looking at the extensions, then look in the HTML for clues... what site? Maybe we can figure it out |
| 01:57.21 | owen1_ | http://marketplace.tutsplus.com/signup |
| 01:57.22 | rking | owen1_: If you can generate an unhandled error you'll definitely figure out a lot about the server |
| 01:57.25 | owen1_ | i am just curious |
| 01:57.34 | rking | owen1_: me too |
| 01:57.39 | mhall | owen1_: one option, geocoding the server IP |
| 01:57.54 | mhall | owen1_: would give you a start to knowing the language |
| 01:58.00 | rking | mhall: Hrmm... how so? |
| 01:58.17 | mhall | rking: there are Perl libs and web services for it, and it'd give you the ISO ccode for that IP |
| 01:58.19 | bronaugh | rking: looking at the server headers will tell you a lot. |
| 01:58.19 | rking | mhall: Oh, you mean the text language? I thought he was referring to the programming language generating the HTML |
| 01:58.30 | mhall | rking: ah, i didn't consider that aspect |
| 01:58.43 | mhall | rking: you are right the question could be intepreted either way |
| 01:59.15 | bronaugh | mhall: inferring languages is tricky. |
| 01:59.20 | mhall | well i have to go meet my GF to see a movie now |
| 01:59.21 | owen1_ | rking: yeah. programming language |
| 01:59.31 | bronaugh | you're supposed to either use a meta-tag for that or get the server to spit it out. |
| 01:59.38 | mhall | bronaugh: believe me i know that :-) i work at one of the world's largest internet companies |
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| 01:59.56 | bronaugh | ok. |
| 01:59.58 | gnarface | mhall: if it doesn't have a doctype then its "tag soup" by definition |
| 02:00.00 | mhall | bronaugh: but i'm in security rather than web development, hence needing to ask idiotic HTML queries :-D |
| 02:00.06 | bronaugh | right :) |
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| 02:00.48 | mhall | before this i worked at a networking vendor on software for detecting worms and other threats from sampling the traffic |
| 02:01.03 | mhall | so i'm kind of a bits, bytes, and network mgmt software person |
| 02:01.04 | mhall | hehe |
| 02:01.50 | mhall | well happy friday everybody |
| 02:02.01 | bronaugh | whee! |
| 02:02.09 | mhall | can't drink any beers due to a liver infection, so you guys have to raise a glass for me :-) |
| 02:02.34 | gnarface | mhall: i'll raise two |
| 02:02.39 | bronaugh | ouch :( that's gotta suck (the liver infection, that is) |
| 02:03.30 | mhall | yeah, i got a real bad case of epstein barr virus, which spiralled out of control for a few days |
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| 02:03.36 | mhall | and really messed up my system |
| 02:03.58 | mhall | bioterrorism o_O O_o |
| 02:04.11 | bronaugh | joy. |
| 02:04.22 | bronaugh | terrorized by the biome, yes :P |
| 02:04.23 | salieri | terr'r |
| 02:04.39 | bronaugh | them goshdarned terriorists. |
| 02:04.45 | bronaugh | s/ior/ier/ |
| 02:04.57 | mhall | gnarface: thanks for raising an extra pint! :) |
| 02:05.04 | mhall | bye |
| 02:05.45 | rking | owen1_: (I'm till poking around) |
| 02:05.52 | rking | +s! |
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| 02:08.39 | bronaugh | wonders how he managed to drop himself on his head hard enough to totally omit Idaho from list of states in analysis... |
| 02:08.42 | bronaugh | whoops. |
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| 02:13.18 | rking | owen1_: I'm thinking Ruby, probably RubyOnRails (looking at the details of the people who made the site) |
| 02:13.36 | owen1_ | rking: social engineering..nice |
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| 02:15.22 | rking | owen1_: Also, it's pulling in stuff from all over the place (Google Analytics, Captcha stuff), so it's not just a single web engine making everything |
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| 02:15.57 | thepro4ever | what does it mean for a pixel to have 32 bits? |
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| 02:16.24 | salieri | 32 bits for colors i guess, vs 16 or 15 |
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| 02:16.58 | eatofmy-s-h-i-t | !ops Psi-Jack, aka: Eric Renfro of 115 Cory Ln, Winter Springs Florida, 32708. Call him at 14074597985. Tell him he needs to stop frequenting mail order bride sites and get laid for real. Ahadiel HarryS salieri rking Jinx-Wolf arjovr Raptors_ cognac benf alpharesearch homie SaRy Holborn abchirk__ bier|tp mutable Guest37722 heg valdyn mendred joogi Spami|Thug kaliderus tarzeau factor_ icebrain pikudoz rom bint CoolCold nameless` joneal Moult pseubo |
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| 02:16.59 | eatofmy-s-h-i-t | !ops Psi-Jack, aka: Eric Renfro of 115 Cory Ln, Winter Springs Florida, 32708. Call him at 14074597985. Tell him he needs to stop frequenting mail order bride sites and get laid for real. JulienBussi alanp fbs EduardeCalibal bolt Mister_X] trifler Guest53419 xtr vsmatck ukine rdz Amse initself djace jjman6_ jjman6 agent0range shylent ferret_ Cueball CompWizdr htoothrot allan8904 alextreme __cool__ optraz streuner mquin Russell`` FliesLikeABrick iV |
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| 02:17.00 | rking | thepro4ever: Well, if it had 1 bit, it would just be a black and white (or I guess any pair of colors if you want to be technical). If it has 24bpp then you have 8 bits per color per pixel, so 0-255 for red, green, blue |
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| 02:18.42 | KittyKatt | .... |
| 02:18.45 | rking | thepro4ever: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_depth |
| 02:23.12 | SparFux | I can't get the locale en_DK running to show date like 2010-10-11. I set export LC_TIME=en_DK.utf-8 |
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| 02:24.37 | tarkaram | gnarface: thanks for suggesting grapviz, looks like a great tool. I have handsfull for this weekend now ! |
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| 02:28.54 | rking | SparFux: What program are you using to display the date? |
| 02:29.03 | SparFux | Simply ls. |
| 02:29.11 | SparFux | ls -l --time-style=locale |
| 02:29.59 | SparFux | I see the en_DK locale file and it defines date format appropriately, but the locale does not seem to affect my ls :-( |
| 02:30.01 | rking | SparFux: Is en_DK.utf8 in the output of locale -a |
| 02:30.02 | rking | ? |
| 02:30.08 | SparFux | yes. |
| 02:30.23 | rking | ~10min |
| 02:30.30 | SparFux | it's exactly the same string. |
| 02:31.00 | SparFux | I get the correct format with ls -l --time-style=long-iso , but that's just a workaround. |
| 02:32.35 | rking | right |
| 02:34.11 | SparFux | I get different languages though. Like de_DE.UTF-8 gives me german date. |
| 02:34.42 | SparFux | Can I define one short file to have ISO 8601 date? |
| 02:34.55 | SparFux | like an LC_TIME=iso or the like? |
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| 02:35.24 | rking | Kinda hacky, but I'm sure it's possible. But then again, why would that work when en_DK is not? |
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| 02:36.32 | SparFux | having user defineable locales suggests one could have own locale defs. :-) so not hacky. |
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| 02:37.24 | SparFux | I mean, locale is nice, but there should be a way to have user specific variations of date representation and the like. |
| 02:38.55 | rking | SparFux: Wait, shouldn't it be en_DK.UTF-8 ? |
| 02:39.01 | rking | Does the case not matter? |
| 02:39.18 | SparFux | I think not, but even UTF-8 doesn't work. |
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| 02:39.32 | thepro4ever | whats the command to see line numbers in vi? |
| 02:39.38 | SparFux | export LC_TIME=en_DK.UTF-8 |
| 02:39.47 | SparFux | hm.. dont know. |
| 02:39.48 | rking | :set nu |
| 02:39.57 | thepro4ever | my ultimate goal is to figure out how to insert a space at the front of a range of line numbers in vi |
| 02:40.08 | _nix00 | dear,all.does somebody use debian on mobile-phone? I want to know is there some tools like wireless_tether on android ? |
| 02:40.19 | thepro4ever | rking: wow that looks awesome |
| 02:40.26 | rking | thepro4ever: :23,34s/^/ / |
| 02:40.45 | thepro4ever | rking: you are too pro, i will remember those commands forever |
| 02:41.06 | abrotman | there is a #vim IIRC |
| 02:41.13 | SparFux | nix I want debian on my phone. Samsung H1. |
| 02:41.47 | _nix00 | SparFux: you use debian on it now? |
| 02:41.59 | SparFux | _nix00: no. Not possible yet. But work is going on. |
| 02:43.04 | jaggz | I can't get a full line of background color with ANSI like I used to do.. I used to be able to set a color like \033[44m then clear the line with \033[2J .. but my term (putty/puttycyg) only shows the bg under printed characters.. what do I do? |
| 02:43.06 | SparFux | ppl say it's a really nice phone with good hardware, but the software on it really sucks. |
| 02:43.22 | SparFux | So putting debian on it would be the solution ;-) |
| 02:43.28 | _nix00 | my g1 was broken, I have to use my openmoko ,it is debian OS lol.... I need a software that can treat the phone as wireless access point. |
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| 02:44.14 | _nix00 | is there some tools on debian ? |
| 02:45.05 | Xenguy | _nix00: good Q. |
| 02:45.17 | Xenguy | !tethering |
| 02:45.30 | Xenguy | fine then |
| 02:45.45 | Xenguy | dpkg |
| 02:45.49 | SparFux | rking: my /usr/share/i18n/locales/en_DK says, it formats dates as 2010-10-11 |
| 02:46.18 | Xenguy | ShapeShifter499: iwconfig ? |
| 02:46.27 | Xenguy | gah |
| 02:46.30 | ShapeShifter499 | lolz |
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| 02:46.59 | _nix00 | Xenguy: thx, I will search that package later |
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| 02:48.21 | rking | SparFux: I'm lagging behind... I got distracted by shopping around for a bunch of different locales to generate. =) |
| 02:48.39 | SparFux | :-) |
| 02:52.46 | rking | SparFux: I am able to get different formats from ls -l --time-style=local with other locales, but not en_DK.UTF-8 |
| 02:53.39 | rking | SparFux: Aha. Try: LC_ALL=en_DK.UTF-8 strace ls -l --time-style=local 2>&1 | grep DK |
| 02:53.43 | rking | Not found all the way down. |
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| 02:54.45 | SparFux | hm... |
| 02:54.52 | rking | ls /usr/share/locale/*DK |
| 02:54.55 | rking | Nothin. |
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| 02:55.22 | jaggz | how do I see the current term's settings? like tic/untic .. (no untic?) ... or terminfo |
| 02:55.44 | SparFux | rking: I think it's --time-style=locale |
| 02:55.58 | SparFux | no such file or directory? |
| 02:56.06 | rking | SparFux: Both work |
| 02:56.17 | rking | SparFux: Exactly. It looks like the files for doing this don't exist. Bug? |
| 02:56.26 | SparFux | not sure. |
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| 02:58.05 | jaggz | oh I should correct something.. K is for clear line, not J (which is clear screen) |
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| 02:58.10 | SparFux | rking: try with en_US! |
| 02:58.54 | SparFux | it's noo such file or directory too. |
| 02:59.21 | rking | SparFux: Mine eventually finds /usr/share/locale/end/LC_MESSAGES/coreutils.mo |
| 02:59.32 | rking | SparFux: Your keys are always in the last place you look. =) |
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| 03:00.19 | SparFux | :-) |
| 03:00.25 | SparFux | Paul Watzlawik? |
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| 03:01.05 | konr | Guys, I've been instructed to install ia32-apt-get but can't find it - has it been renamed or is in a different repository? |
| 03:01.21 | rking | SparFux: ? (I see his wikipedia page) |
| 03:02.05 | SparFux | he wrote a book and talked about this key thing :-) |
| 03:03.38 | SparFux | I think it would be quite elegant to define a locale file iso8601 to use with TC_TIME :-) |
| 03:03.39 | rking | Interesting. All I was saying is that you expect a bunch of -1 ENOENTs and then after it gets a hit it will probably not keep looking. |
| 03:04.10 | rking | SparFux: Or just set LC_ALL to en_DK and then set LC_TIME to something that is the right format for you. |
| 03:04.35 | SparFux | well, en_DK is right format. I wantthis iso 8601 international standard. |
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| 03:05.12 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 03:05.18 | lenswipe | what group does samba run under? |
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| 03:05.39 | rking | SparFux: Wait... what do you mean? I thought you wanted en_DK to show up YYYY-MM-DD ? |
| 03:06.16 | SparFux | Yes. |
| 03:07.06 | SparFux | and LC_ALL should be de_DE or en_US. |
| 03:07.22 | konr | Any idea on where I can obtain ia32-apt-get? |
| 03:07.29 | SparFux | ok, but point is, I'd like to understand why en_DK does not show what I expect. |
| 03:07.49 | rking | OK, and that's ISO-8601, so you're saying ... "en_DK is the right format", but it's not showing 8601, it's showing the "Mmm DD HH:MM" stuff, right? |
| 03:08.52 | SparFux | rking: no, en_DK IS 8601. |
| 03:09.06 | rking | SparFux: But it's not displaying that from ls -l |
| 03:09.07 | SparFux | but here on my machine, it's not. so. |
| 03:09.10 | lenswipe | what user does samba run under? |
| 03:09.13 | SparFux | yes. that's the bug. |
| 03:09.28 | rking | SparFux: Right, I think that's it. The locale has a bug. |
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| 03:09.58 | SparFux | yes. |
| 03:10.04 | lenswipe | what user does samba run under? |
| 03:10.06 | SparFux | now the question is, where? :-) |
| 03:10.20 | rking | SparFux: Right. |
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| 03:17.07 | coredump|br | So, is it possible to use Compiz with the free radeon drivers with a ati hd 5770? |
| 03:17.20 | coredump|br | I've been trying for the last 2 hours with not much luck |
| 03:17.24 | coredump|br | apparently, lack of DRI |
| 03:21.00 | lenswipe | what user does samba run under? |
| 03:21.02 | SparFux | rking: Take a look at this poor sucker: "This illogical date format problem is one of the reasons I am considering switching to another spreadsheet application, such as KSpread or Gnumeric. Not everyone who lives in a given country wants to use an illogical date format such as dd/mm/yyyy. I use ISO 8601 because it is both the only logical format (only ISO 8601 dates can be sorted alphabetically) and the only international standard. I detest 1 |
| 03:21.26 | SparFux | Date and time handling in Linux is a nightmare. |
| 03:21.39 | rking | SparFux: OO calc bug? |
| 03:21.44 | SparFux | :-) |
| 03:22.00 | rking | SparFux: Is that where you found that quote, on an OO Calc board of some kind? |
| 03:22.39 | SparFux | yes, ooforum. |
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| 03:22.49 | SparFux | I think it's just simply not supported. |
| 03:23.04 | SparFux | but it's 2008 posting. http://www.oooforum.org/forum/viewtopic.phtml?t=73113 |
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| 03:24.45 | SparFux | but they are right. date formats are broken. :-) |
| 03:25.07 | SparFux | 06/05/2010 and 05/06/2010 can both be the SAME date! |
| 03:25.07 | rking | That's an enormous generalization. |
| 03:25.26 | SparFux | What about 06/06/06 ? |
| 03:25.30 | rking | All that guy is complaining about is that OOo doesn't respect GNU locales, as far as I can tell |
| 03:25.40 | SparFux | that's right. |
| 03:25.50 | rking | Or, it didn't in 2006 |
| 03:25.55 | SparFux | I mean, the date format itself is broken. not the debian. |
| 03:25.56 | lenswipe | what user does samba run under? |
| 03:26.49 | rking | Well, that's a little like saying "yo" in English and "yo" in Spanish can be misinterpreted. |
| 03:27.27 | SparFux | rking :-) ok, that's true on the other hand. |
| 03:27.40 | rking | You just keep track of whether you're doing mm/dd or dd/mm and you're OK. I do like the YYYY-mm-dd format, personally I usually use DD-Mmm-YYYY (8oct2010) when I'm writing |
| 03:27.49 | SparFux | plus 06/06/06 isn't really bogus. it can only be ONE date. :-) |
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| 03:28.45 | SparFux | I write 1.6.2010 and want 2010-06-01. I force it at work atm :-) |
| 03:29.48 | SparFux | There is a posting that locales should only contain local stuff. But what's so weird about a locale iso8601? I mean, it's an international standard. It would not be able to activate it if no country like DK would use it. |
| 03:30.12 | SparFux | perhaps there should be a local "international" |
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| 03:42.20 | konr | Any idea on where I can obtain ia32-apt-get? |
| 03:42.58 | SparFux | hm... |
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| 03:43.30 | SparFux | isn't that obsolete? |
| 03:43.35 | SparFux | ia32-apt-get? |
| 03:43.56 | zinx | it is... unfortunately debian's still a bit lacking at doing multiarch |
| 03:44.42 | SparFux | aha, so you still need it? |
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| 03:46.01 | konr | unfortunately it is required to compile wine :( |
| 03:46.50 | SparFux | ok. |
| 03:47.38 | konr | Even sid's wine version is terribly outdated |
| 03:48.03 | konr | so I can't play starcraft :( |
| 03:48.21 | konr | which isn't terribly bad, because I can spend the time coding something |
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| 03:50.12 | SparFux | konr: code, what? |
| 03:51.52 | konr | SparFux: I have to finish rewriting GTK's examples in clojure, add requested features to my player |
| 03:52.13 | konr | SparFux: I'd also like to have the time to write a decent imageboard program and a latin-mode on emacs |
| 03:52.23 | konr | and a post-apocalyptic roguelike! |
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| 03:53.27 | SparFux | konr: imageboard? Like Coccinella? |
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| 03:57.10 | konr | SparFux: nope, like 4chan's software |
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| 03:57.37 | konr | SparFux: Kusaba, the generally used clone, is very hard to extend |
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| 04:04.57 | SparFux | And there is an international locale: /usr/share/i18n/locales/i18n |
| 04:08.03 | SparFux | but dpkg-reconfigure locales cannot translate it :-( |
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| 04:30.57 | crazygir | hiya! I just installed splunk on lenny, which appears to have run through just fine. Splunk seems to think that the http service is running (ports 8000 and 8089), is there anything (by default) in debian that would prevent accessibility to these ports? |
| 04:33.33 | crazygir | running nmap locally does not see anything |
| 04:33.49 | crazygir | but I'm not trusting that, as I have ssh running, and even this does not show up |
| 04:33.58 | stew | crazygir: no, but check "netstat -plnt" to see that it is bound and to which ip it bound |
| 04:34.43 | crazygir | yea, lsof -i 8000 shows nothing |
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| 04:35.08 | crazygir | splunkd is running, but no http |
| 04:35.14 | crazygir | must be a config thing -_- |
| 04:35.56 | stew | i don't think "lsof -i 8000" is what you wanted to run |
| 04:36.14 | stew | perhaps with a -p |
| 04:36.25 | crazygir | lsof -i :8000 is supposed to tell you what process is listening on the port |
| 04:36.39 | crazygir | according to http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/184 |
| 04:36.48 | stew | right |
| 04:36.59 | stew | (you didn't have the colon the first time) |
| 04:37.00 | eft | anyone know if there is a debian fix for the tls renegotiation issue? |
| 04:37.37 | crazygir | oh god that wraught hell on my life last month |
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| 04:37.42 | stew | eft: what issue? is it a security issue with a mitre id? |
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| 04:38.41 | eft | stew: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_Layer_Security#Security (The vulnerability discovered Aug 2009) |
| 04:39.21 | superlinux | hello. kindly please tell me a name of a program that can check that my DVD's or CD's are ok and working well. thanks |
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| 04:40.00 | crazygir | superlinux: dd? |
| 04:40.16 | crazygir | depends on what you would like to "check" |
| 04:43.10 | superlinux | crazygir, I just want to check that they are in good shape, I can read every bit in the CD/DVD without error messages |
| 04:44.13 | stew | eft: i think you are asking about: http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2009-3555 |
| 04:45.23 | stew | superlinux: do you have an md5sum for the images that you could compare with? |
| 04:45.29 | superlinux | no |
| 04:45.43 | superlinux | no I don't have |
| 04:46.13 | superlinux | those are CD's I bought somewhere. |
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| 04:46.59 | superlinux | I have disks which look scratched. that's why I want such software |
| 04:51.28 | superlinux | stew, what I am thinking of is that if the CD , for instance, can reach the last bit in the mentioned size on the label of the CD. so how 'dd' can help? you know that I will have to count the bytes in the CD or DVD? |
| 04:52.31 | stew | superlinux: you could dd, or md5sum or something just to see if you got errors, but it really depends now on the contents of the cd |
| 04:52.45 | eft | stew: tx for the ref - I am on debian 5.0.6 (lenny) running openssl 0.9.8g - do you know which patch (ie apache, openssl etc) I should apply and how? |
| 04:52.56 | stew | superlinux: some copyrighted material will be distributed on cds that have unreadable sectors on purpose |
| 04:54.18 | superlinux | stew, I just don't care - in this problem - what's inside them. I just want to make sure they are ok. cos I might re-buy the bad ones. got the point? |
| 04:54.57 | stew | eft: according to that page, apache is not a problem but openssl is. I wouldn't know about patch. I'd think that if a patch were readily available, it would have been put into lenny already |
| 04:55.05 | stew | superlinux: yes, i get the point |
| 04:55.13 | stew | superlinux: what is on them? |
| 04:56.31 | superlinux | cool. many pirated software from the shops around us. although cheap, but as they accumulate they get costly on me. I am trying to save some money. |
| 04:56.56 | stew | superlinux: my point is that you want to see if you can read every bit on the disk, however some cds are designed to have sectors which are unreadable, and won't work otherwise |
| 04:57.02 | stew | uhh |
| 04:57.11 | stew | i'm certainly not going to give you any help with pirated software |
| 04:57.20 | superlinux | AH! ok. I dig that. |
| 04:57.44 | superlinux | of course you wont. |
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| 04:58.07 | stew | in fact, this is the wrong network for such a thing |
| 04:58.25 | superlinux | gosh! |
| 04:58.48 | superlinux | I am into a maze with you now. |
| 04:58.50 | eft | stew: hmm thanks |
| 05:01.15 | stew | eft: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=555829 |
| 05:01.23 | stew | eft: you could perhaps see if a patch is extractable |
| 05:07.21 | eft | stew: so, if I an running openssl 0.9.8g, is it possible to replace this with the latest version 0.9.8o, or is there a Debian package that does the upgrade automatically (I'm a bit of a noob I'm afraid) |
| 05:07.41 | superlinux | ok then. I have found a problem with compiz after connecting my KVM switch |
| 05:08.27 | superlinux | and the switching does not work perfectly. |
| 05:09.35 | superlinux | X does not show when I return to it after switching. I have to switch also to a real terminal to go back. |
| 05:09.46 | superlinux | what should I do in such case? |
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| 05:35.46 | DanDare | Hello. How to reconfigure ethernet interface? I mean, since detection. I remember in tha past doing delet some reference to the interface so HALD detects again and configurw stuff. Some clue ? |
| 05:37.05 | nsadmin | DanDare, what exactly do you want to change? |
| 05:38.14 | DanDare | nsadmin, installed debian on virtualbox and copied the disk to another computer and just linked to virtualbox again, but it lost eth0 doing so. Need to reconfigure the card |
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| 05:38.51 | nsadmin | look at your dmesg, maybe it says what your eth is called now |
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| 05:40.08 | superlinux | DanDare, there is this: ifconfig -a |
| 05:40.18 | superlinux | this will give you all cards |
| 05:40.29 | DanDare | ok nsadmin, superl |
| 05:40.32 | DanDare | superlinux |
| 05:40.35 | superlinux | cool |
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| 05:40.51 | nsadmin | if it's a guest, you might have to do something special (like make a bridge) to get a network interface to the guest |
| 05:40.57 | DanDare | if i do "ifconfig" its called nothing... i have ju loopback right now |
| 05:41.08 | nsadmin | -a |
| 05:41.20 | nsadmin | which shows you all the interfaces it sees |
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| 05:41.24 | superlinux | yes! giv't '-a' |
| 05:41.48 | nsadmin | whether up or down (ifconfig by itself only shows interfaces that are up) |
| 05:41.57 | DanDare | oh coursem thanks superlinux |
| 05:42.23 | DanDare | i think im away from any console too much time already :/ |
| 05:42.27 | DanDare | its just eth1 |
| 05:42.36 | nsadmin | so you have an eth1 |
| 05:42.53 | DanDare | yeah... |
| 05:43.01 | nsadmin | see what there is to edit in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 05:43.09 | DanDare | yeah i know |
| 05:43.15 | nsadmin | maybe you have a stanza on eth0 |
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| 05:43.17 | superlinux | DanDare, you may just guess it, if it's just one and only one card |
| 05:43.17 | DanDare | but, how to rename it to eth0 ? |
| 05:43.48 | superlinux | DanDare, just forget renaming it.. just use it as is |
| 05:44.00 | DanDare | ok so |
| 05:44.14 | superlinux | I mean don't waste your time on that |
| 05:44.48 | superlinux | and get a new IP from DHCP : dhclient |
| 05:45.03 | DanDare | i see |
| 05:46.08 | DanDare | yeah i think it all just works, thanks |
| 05:46.38 | nsadmin | you -could- rename it... and to do that you'd have to explore udev and maybe also hal |
| 05:46.58 | superlinux | DanDare, if it's just one card - as I said before- just think of a number for the "eth" |
| 05:47.24 | DanDare | ha i think i reminded that; deleting something in udev |
| 05:47.36 | DanDare | delete rules |
| 05:47.39 | DanDare | *rule |
| 05:47.55 | superlinux | I myself don't mess with these |
| 05:47.57 | DanDare | then restart, it back again as eth0 iirc |
| 05:48.01 | superlinux | I keep them as they are |
| 05:48.12 | DanDare | i know... way to go anyway ! |
| 05:48.30 | DanDare | i mean, dont mess with that may be the right answer |
| 05:48.58 | superlinux | ok. anyways, gotta go shopping! I've no food in my fridge |
| 05:49.05 | superlinux | heh :)! |
| 05:49.06 | DanDare | good luck |
| 05:49.09 | superlinux | bye |
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| 05:54.36 | DanDare | thats. I deleted /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules then rebooted. This made eth0 came back |
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| 06:37.07 | merlin83 | hi, i installed debian without a window manager, and now i've installed xfce4 via apt-get . how do i get debian to show a gui-based login prompt instead of the console login on start up? |
| 06:42.13 | merlin83 | ah ok.. got it.. had to install xdm |
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| 06:55.48 | peterrooney | merlin83: there's also wdm, gdm, kdm available as alternatives |
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| 06:56.28 | peterrooney | thinks xdm is minimal, not minimalist |
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| 07:16.17 | Eryn_1983_FL | good morning peeps |
| 07:16.24 | Eryn_1983_FL | who is bleary eyed today? |
| 07:16.55 | Eryn_1983_FL | lol |
| 07:19.58 | SparFux | Hi all. How can I use the locale in the file /usr/share/i18n/locales/i18n ? The dpkg-reconfigure locales does not offer this option. |
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| 07:21.30 | SparFux | The file /usr/share/i18n/locales/i18n is part of the locales package. |
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| 07:35.52 | fireswires | hello, can aptitude tell what files a package installed? |
| 07:36.33 | peterS | fireswires: no. dpkg can tell, use 'dpkg -L packagename'. |
| 07:36.35 | buntfalke_ | fireswires: apt-file show foo |
| 07:36.54 | buntfalke_ | fireswires: oh. peterS is more correct. apt-file uses an (pssibly outdated) index. |
| 07:37.04 | fireswires | peterS buntfalke_ cheers! |
| 07:37.29 | buntfalke_ | but thus has the advantage to work for what's not installed, and to be able to search for the package that belongs to a file (the reverse direction you intend). |
| 07:37.33 | peterS | also, apt-file is about what files are shipped in the current available version of a package, not what files were installed in the version of the package you already installed. |
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| 07:38.28 | buntfalke | How to automatically install the corresponding -dbg package to every other package installed, and get it uninstalled accordingly, too? |
| 07:38.31 | fireswires | interesting. any reason for not having this info in aptitude? |
| 07:39.18 | buntfalke | fireswires: to find the package responsible for file XY, and to find whihc package to install to get file xy on your harddrive. needed often. |
| 07:39.41 | peterS | fireswires: aptitude is mostly about package dependencies and downloads, not so much about telling you details of what's already on the system |
| 07:42.30 | buntfalke | Oh. I didnt see the "not" :-) |
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| 07:52.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | is there a known problem with svn.debian.org? all my connections on svn:// are failing, but it look slike ssh+svn is working |
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| 08:35.40 | SparFux | Oh yeah! I got the ISO 8601 running in locale definition :-) |
| 08:36.00 | SparFux | Yeah, nice one! :-D |
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| 08:45.24 | SparFux | That's fun! |
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| 08:48.35 | echosystm | what kind of computer would be required to route gigabit at close to line speed? |
| 08:49.48 | Bop | a very fart harddisk |
| 08:49.50 | Bop | ops |
| 08:49.53 | Bop | fast |
| 08:50.16 | echosystm | ... |
| 08:50.59 | Husar | http://franklarosa.com/trs80/trs80.jpg |
| 08:51.20 | Husar | look this, looks like RAID90 |
| 08:51.21 | Bop | with lots of ram |
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| 08:52.58 | SparFux | re |
| 08:53.03 | echosystm | anyone with a serious reply? |
| 08:53.23 | cahoot | try #hardware? |
| 08:53.58 | KRF | lol |
| 08:54.13 | Bop | i believe a quad core can do that with a super fast hard disk |
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| 08:54.43 | Bop | it need the rate or 120 MB /s |
| 08:54.56 | Bop | writing |
| 08:55.06 | woden | What is the name of the meta-package in Debian 5.0 in order to install the xorg group? |
| 08:55.27 | Bop | xorg ? |
| 08:56.16 | mjmt | Bop: Why do you keep mentioning hard disks when the question is about routing? |
| 08:56.26 | mjmt | woden: xserver-xorg |
| 08:56.31 | Bop | oh ok |
| 08:56.53 | Bop | i was thinking in downloads |
| 08:58.01 | Bop | anyway , i dont think its a good policy to route that amount using a computer |
| 08:58.08 | Bop | better go to cisco |
| 09:05.08 | mjmt | echosystm: This may be of interest: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gigabit-ethernet-bandwidth,2321-4.html |
| 09:06.55 | woden | mjmt, How do you set Debian 5.0 so that, after logging in as a user at the console, you can launch and xorg session along with openbox and fbpanel? |
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| 09:07.36 | mjmt | woden: Set up a Display Manager, like xdm or slim. |
| 09:08.26 | echosystm | mjmt, essentially what i want to know is what CPU i need |
| 09:08.32 | woden | mjmt, I do not want a display manager. |
| 09:08.43 | echosystm | i already know i need a decent quality nic (intel) and PCIE |
| 09:09.01 | echosystm | hard drive speed isn't a concern |
| 09:09.05 | echosystm | (obviously) |
| 09:09.21 | mjmt | echosystm: I doubt it's CPU bound. |
| 09:09.27 | echosystm | i intend to use a computer for routing because cisco gigabit gear is just far too expensive |
| 09:09.49 | echosystm | also, they usually have loud datacenter style fans :P |
| 09:10.45 | woden | In Debian 5.0, without using a Display Manager, how do you set the system to launch an xorg session along with openbox and fbpanel? |
| 09:10.59 | jelly-home | woden: then you just use the startx command, and set up programs to be started and in ~/.xsession |
| 09:11.05 | jelly-home | woden: /msg dpkg xsession |
| 09:11.36 | woden | jelly, There is no xsession entry on the Debian wiki |
| 09:11.47 | jelly-home | I didn't say there was. |
| 09:12.00 | woden | Of course you did not. |
| 09:12.19 | woden | But my point is that I would like to know how to set this up. |
| 09:13.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | woden: interestingly, there are man pages ... |
| 09:13.39 | jelly-home | woden: use .xsession as a shell script. Put panels and similar to run in background, and finish the script by exec'ing your window manager or session manager of choice |
| 09:14.20 | jelly-home | the URL in the xsession factoid gives a template of sorts, but the syntax is quite broken |
| 09:15.06 | woden | What is the diff between .xsession and .xinitrc |
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| 09:19.16 | jelly-home | just use .xsession in Debian |
| 09:20.29 | jelly-home | woden: startx uses .xinitrc; both startx and display managers use .xsession |
| 09:20.38 | _nix00 | hi,all. is there a handwriting recognition chinese input method for mobile-debian ? |
| 09:20.49 | woden | jelly, danke |
| 09:20.52 | jelly-home | woden: did you read /msg dpkg xsession ? |
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| 09:21.22 | woden | jelly, It did not come up. |
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| 09:21.33 | jelly-home | !tell woden about xsession |
| 09:21.42 | jelly-home | and now? |
| 09:21.48 | woden | Yes. ty |
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| 09:32.25 | woden | mjmt, I installed xorg-xserver, but when I type startx at the console it says "command not found". What am I doing wrong? |
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| 09:35.05 | echosystm | apt-get install xorg |
| 09:35.07 | echosystm | then try |
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| 09:35.25 | woden | echosystm, I already did aptitude install xorg-xserver... |
| 09:35.36 | echosystm | apt-get install xorg |
| 09:35.46 | echosystm | is what you want |
| 09:35.48 | echosystm | afaik |
| 09:35.57 | echosystm | try it... tell me what happens |
| 09:36.00 | woden | echosystm, What is the difference between that an xorg-xsession? Now I am confused. |
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| 09:36.12 | echosystm | dude, just do what i said lol |
| 09:36.18 | echosystm | apt-get install xorg |
| 09:36.22 | dyek | Hi! I have a Debian Lenny Live USB thumbdrive. (It will start clean after every reboot and hence discarding all changes I made, probably to control writes to the flash media to make it last longer -- good design, but inconvenient.) I thought I came across a instruction somewhere on how to make the image more permanent -- install onto the harddrive. I couldn't find it anymore and don't know how to create a permanent installation on the harddrive |
| 09:36.22 | dyek | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:36.30 | echosystm | and then tell me if you stil dont have startx |
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| 09:38.48 | woden | echosystm, Yes it works now, but I don't understand why it did not work with just an aptitude install xserver-xorg |
| 09:38.58 | echosystm | because you didnt fully install xorg |
| 09:39.12 | woden | echosystm, You have to do both? |
| 09:39.17 | echosystm | no |
| 09:39.28 | echosystm | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/xorg |
| 09:39.34 | echosystm | learn to use the package search |
| 09:39.40 | woden | So I should not have done xserver-xorg? |
| 09:39.49 | echosystm | open the link i just pasted |
| 09:40.04 | echosystm | and you'll understand |
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| 09:40.45 | woden | echosystm, That link says nothing about xserver-xorg |
| 09:40.53 | echosystm | yes it does |
| 09:40.55 | echosystm | look in the list |
| 09:41.03 | echosystm | then look at the colour of the icon next to it |
| 09:41.08 | echosystm | then look at the legend |
| 09:41.21 | woden | echosystm, Oh, ty. |
| 09:41.27 | echosystm | youre welcome :) |
| 09:41.35 | woden | It doesn't matter that I did it like this, it ends up with the same packages. |
| 09:41.53 | echosystm | "xorg" has "xserver-xorg" as a dependency, yes |
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| 09:42.53 | nsadmin | xserver-xorg doesn't have startx |
| 09:43.01 | nsadmin | let's see what does |
| 09:43.11 | nsadmin | , file startx |
| 09:43.15 | judd | startx in lenny/i386: xinit: usr/bin/startx; ltsp-client-core: usr/share/ltsp/screen.d/startx |
| 09:44.05 | Samaseon | how do i upgrade to a point release of lenny? |
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| 09:44.25 | Samaseon | i mean what do i put in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 09:44.36 | nsadmin | do you have lenny now? |
| 09:44.36 | Samaseon | (instead of 'lenny')? |
| 09:44.39 | Samaseon | yes |
| 09:45.09 | nsadmin | when you upgrade without changing sources.list at all, it will upgrade to the latest lenny |
| 09:45.22 | Samaseon | aha ok, then i guess i have the latest, thanks |
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| 09:46.12 | nsadmin | you can always try aptitude update ; aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 09:46.32 | nsadmin | if that does something, then aptitude full-upgrade |
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| 09:47.55 | Samaseon | ok let's see |
| 09:48.58 | Samaseon | 2 packages were upgraded :) |
| 09:49.07 | nsadmin | yay! |
| 09:49.24 | nsadmin | oh, umm, I mean, you should be up to date now... |
| 09:49.31 | Samaseon | (in the safe upgrade) |
| 09:49.43 | Samaseon | yeah, ok, thank you |
| 09:49.47 | nsadmin | which were they? |
| 09:49.58 | Samaseon | just libsvn1 and subversion |
| 09:50.05 | Samaseon | i don't even use subversion, but that's ok |
| 09:50.09 | nsadmin | ok, try a full-upgrade |
| 09:50.24 | nsadmin | hmm, wonder why it would be installed then... |
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| 09:50.41 | Samaseon | i probably installed it some time ago |
| 09:50.49 | Samaseon | along with cvs and git |
| 09:50.59 | Samaseon | just in case |
| 09:51.39 | Samaseon | ok full-upgrade offered 0 packages |
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| 09:52.16 | nsadmin | cool, now we know you're there |
| 09:52.45 | Samaseon | thanks |
| 09:55.42 | woden | Is hal still normally installed or has it been replaced by another daemon? |
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| 10:12.12 | deepy | Does a tar -cvvzf blah.tar.gz blah.tar.gz nuke blah.tar.gz? |
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| 10:13.22 | Karen_m | i have recently installed a *.deb with dpkg, and it seems to have cached the setup questions. Is there a way to clear this out.. i've purged the package and reinstalled it, but it takes the old password i gave it and what not |
| 10:13.57 | deepy | dpkg-reconfigure |
| 10:14.17 | noodles900 | Karen_m: purging does not remove configs |
| 10:14.36 | Karen_m | i manually removed the configs |
| 10:14.59 | jpinx-eeepc | Karen_m: and the password? |
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| 10:17.02 | deepy | Karen_m: dpkg-reconfigure packet |
| 10:17.09 | deepy | package I mean |
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| 10:18.33 | Karen_m | ty |
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| 10:27.20 | Bop | noodles900, man says purge remove configs |
| 10:28.07 | Bop | remove it and all its associated configuration and data files. |
| 10:29.12 | super_aniX | form where i can get source.list for debian testing |
| 10:30.01 | Bop | the oficial is just 1 line , i believe |
| 10:30.07 | super_aniX | i depand on dialup so installing time i don't have any net connection |
| 10:30.07 | Bop | so copy paste to sources.list |
| 10:30.41 | super_aniX | bop but i dont the link deb ?? |
| 10:30.47 | Bop | if u installed it from cd , the sources.list automatic point to your cd-rom |
| 10:31.06 | Bop | if u dont have internet , keep it that way |
| 10:31.16 | super_aniX | ya .. |
| 10:31.52 | super_aniX | i am on http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/generate.php not sure its safe or not |
| 10:32.14 | super_aniX | is it official |
| 10:32.26 | Bop | u can add more cd-roms with the command apt-cdrom |
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| 10:33.16 | Alagar | hi any one can help me. what is fork rate in linux |
| 10:33.17 | super_aniX | i dont want to add cdrom, i want to add ftp free/non free and multimedia source |
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| 10:34.25 | Bop | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 10:34.29 | Bop | deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ squeeze main non-free |
| 10:34.39 | Bop | super_aniX, add this to your sources.list |
| 10:34.46 | Bop | and u'r done |
| 10:34.58 | super_aniX | added now updating |
| 10:35.10 | GPenguin | what other things (than /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/grub.cfg) i need to consider when i move a partition out of a LVM? i rebuilt the initrd but that obviously failed. it still tries to find $ROOT within the LVM group |
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| 10:36.03 | super_aniX | thanks bop |
| 10:36.12 | Bop | ok |
| 10:37.36 | super_aniX | Bop while mine is fresh install do i have to install debian-multimedia-keyring after apt-get update |
| 10:37.43 | jpinx-eeepc | Bop: I see what youa re reading in man aptitude, but I believe that is not correct. I will check and maybe file a bug |
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| 10:38.17 | _nix00 | SparFux: you said samsung h1 is this samsung vodafone 360 H1 ? |
| 10:38.29 | Bop | super_aniX, then do it |
| 10:38.32 | SparFux | _nix00: Yes. |
| 10:39.15 | SparFux | _nix00: be careful! It's quite cheap and great hardware, but the software sucks and so far, just root has been hacked. So it is quite possible to put own software on there, but there is no running system available so far otehr than the preinstalled software. |
| 10:39.27 | _nix00 | SparFux: can it install android ? |
| 10:40.13 | SparFux | _nix00: no! Though it's quite close to that. There is a project Handroid1 which already has a running android installable, but it lacks improtant features like telephone :-) |
| 10:40.41 | _nix00 | lol... I think maybe repair G1 is the best choice for me .... |
| 10:40.48 | SparFux | :-D |
| 10:41.37 | _nix00 | I just need call, sms, and tether the net, then I can do lots things on my ipad. it is cool |
| 10:42.06 | SparFux | if you need just this, then h1 is cool. |
| 10:42.18 | SparFux | and then you can wiat for debian on it :-) |
| 10:42.28 | _nix00 | h1 can tether the net? |
| 10:42.39 | SparFux | What is tether? |
| 10:43.02 | Bop | jpinx-eeepc, ok ... i've read it and used it , but never really checked it |
| 10:43.30 | _nix00 | treat the phone's wifi as a AP. then I can use it for my ipad to connect internet |
| 10:43.46 | SparFux | _nix00: oh, I think that's possible, yes. |
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| 10:45.33 | _nix00 | really ? I am not sure it ... if it can , I want to buy it after work . :D |
| 10:45.46 | jpinx-eeepc | Bop: just been told that if it is a clean install being purged it will remove configs, but if you or another package has altered the configs they will remain. |
| 10:45.56 | SparFux | well, I never did that. But I think it's possible, over bluetooth and wifi and usb. |
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| 10:47.01 | Bop | jpinx-eeepc, i was thinking the configs , usually as .dir/ under home , is that it ? |
| 10:47.04 | jpinx-eeepc | _nix00: I'm currently using irssi in the phone over ssh on the usb back to the laptops wifi |
| 10:47.31 | jpinx-eeepc | Bop: yes - not sure about passwords though - can't see aptitude getting them out |
| 10:47.37 | jpinx-eeepc | maybe abrotman knows |
| 10:47.45 | abrotman | huh? |
| 10:48.24 | Bop | jpinx-eeepc, how the hell aptitude knows if i've altered the config ? |
| 10:48.43 | jpinx-eeepc | when you "aptitude purge <foo>" on a package thaat has asked for a password, does the password get removed by aptitude? |
| 10:48.55 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: ^^ |
| 10:49.10 | Bop | package with password ? never seen it |
| 10:49.15 | abrotman | probably depends where the password is stored |
| 10:49.21 | _nix00 | jpinx-eeepc: not use usb, i mean use phone's 3G/2G to connect internet, and then ,use other device connect the phone's wifi to connect internet. |
| 10:49.36 | abrotman | it would be easy to check .. you only have the package config files or the debconf flatfile db |
| 10:50.23 | jpinx-eeepc | Bop: that was Karen_m s original question but the actual package was not named |
| 10:51.11 | jpinx-eeepc | _nix00: depends on your phone I suppose, and how easy it is to use as a gateway for the laptop |
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| 10:51.51 | Karen_m | i am installing the percona *.deb, I got it installed. :) |
| 10:51.53 | Karen_m | thank you guys |
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| 10:52.28 | jpinx-eeepc | np :) |
| 10:53.45 | galumph | So guys, I've decided to move over to using debian, and there are few things I'd like ask first |
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| 10:54.12 | galumph | Can I compile my own kernel and use it in debian? |
| 10:54.17 | fbs | yeah |
| 10:54.23 | galumph | great |
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| 10:54.31 | fbs | tried googleing? |
| 10:54.45 | galumph | Not really :-( |
| 10:54.59 | fbs | lots of guides on debian kernel compilation |
| 10:55.10 | fbs | how to make .deb's from kernerls etc |
| 10:55.18 | _nix00 | jpinx-eeepc: maybe I can try it ... |
| 10:55.37 | galumph | That's cool. |
| 10:56.04 | abrotman | galumph: but why would you compile your own? |
| 10:56.25 | galumph | Can I upgrade by from say, lenny, to squeeze without a reinstall? |
| 10:57.17 | galumph | abrotman: I already have a kernel, I just wanted to know if I could keep using it |
| 10:57.19 | jpinx-eeepc | _nix00: tbh . I am running everything in a chroot of squeeze in the mobile ;) |
| 10:57.25 | fbs | galumph: its possible |
| 10:57.39 | fbs | for a new install you also could download a weekly build |
| 10:57.52 | abrotman | galumph: yes, you can go lenny->squeeze, but generally, we'll tell you to just install squeeze directly |
| 10:57.59 | jpinx-eeepc | galumph: welcome to "never-reinstall-unless-you-break-it" debian |
| 10:58.02 | abrotman | galumph: the debian kernels tend to work pretty well |
| 10:59.08 | galumph | eh, my kernel boots at insane speeds, and frankly, I've grown quite attached to it. :-D |
| 10:59.10 | fbs | yeah <3 debian |
| 10:59.22 | _nix00 | jpinx-eeepc: ok , I decide, buy it . my work finish , I wiil go to buy it now XD |
| 10:59.23 | fbs | custom kernel? |
| 10:59.27 | galumph | yep |
| 10:59.36 | fbs | nice |
| 10:59.50 | _nix00 | see you . XD |
| 10:59.51 | fbs | which distri? |
| 10:59.53 | galumph | It was made by a guy at #gentoo |
| 10:59.56 | jpinx-eeepc | _nix00: mine is a n900 |
| 11:00.03 | galumph | fbs: gentoo |
| 11:00.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | shakes his head |
| 11:00.14 | fbs | :P |
| 11:00.25 | jpinx-eeepc | !gentoo |
| 11:00.25 | dpkg | Gentoo is a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than two of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ or ask me about <greenhouse>. http://bash.org/?464385, or rice rice rice rice, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/gentoo.jpg, or ask me about <funroll-loops>. #gentoo on irc.freenode.net. |
| 11:00.26 | fbs | the stock debian kernel is resonably fast |
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| 11:00.39 | _nix00 | jpinx-eeepc: n900? which hardware is better ? vs samsung h1 |
| 11:00.52 | galumph | I'm tired of fighting this thing over every bit of software |
| 11:01.06 | galumph | So I guess debian would work better |
| 11:01.38 | galumph | is there a torrent for squeeze? I've only found one for lenny |
| 11:01.39 | jpinx-eeepc | _nix00: my experience is limited, but the n900 is running a derivation of debian which accepts a cchroot of squeeze, so it was a no-brainer for me ;) |
| 11:01.47 | abrotman | galumph: you should use the netinst |
| 11:02.13 | abrotman | galumph: it's only about 180MB .. there is probably no torrent, but let me find the URL? amd64 or i386? |
| 11:02.20 | abrotman | wonders how often people boot :) |
| 11:02.31 | galumph | i386 |
| 11:02.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | abrotman: twice a day... and i still don't care it takes 60sec each time ;) |
| 11:03.09 | galumph | Mine takes around 45.. :P |
| 11:03.10 | abrotman | galumph: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 11:03.19 | abrotman | mine doesn't even take 45, and it is the debian kernel |
| 11:03.34 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: uptimes - eeepc 24days, n900 9days |
| 11:03.37 | abrotman | galumph: that is the "daily" netinst .. it should be reasonable usable |
| 11:03.45 | galumph | thank you |
| 11:03.49 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: boot time? not up time? |
| 11:04.01 | abrotman | galumph: if you have any issues during installatoin, file a bug report |
| 11:04.18 | galumph | ok, I'll try it in a vbox first |
| 11:04.23 | abrotman | galumph: FWIW, i'd recommend trying to use the debian kernel, at least for a few days .. |
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| 11:04.29 | galumph | just to see I don't screw things up |
| 11:04.43 | abrotman | galumph: they generally are pretty fast .. they only load the modules they need |
| 11:04.58 | jpinx-eeepc | who cares about boot time when it's only once a month |
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| 11:05.17 | galumph | Cool, I'll try debian kernel then |
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| 11:05.54 | galumph | The installer gives a barebones install, right? |
| 11:06.01 | abrotman | if that's wha tyou choose, yes |
| 11:06.18 | galumph | great |
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| 11:06.20 | abrotman | i'd recommend at least doing the "Standard" task .. but probably ignoring tasksel for everything else and just use aptitude |
| 11:07.00 | galumph | What I liked about gentoo was it's barebones-ness |
| 11:07.14 | abrotman | you can have that, if you choose |
| 11:07.43 | abrotman | probably your most frustrating thing will be Depends/Recommends/Suggests |
| 11:07.55 | galumph | Why is that? |
| 11:08.17 | galumph | Does apt not install dependencies? |
| 11:08.19 | _nix00 | jpinx-eeepc: oh, n900 is Resistive... I don't like this |
| 11:08.21 | abrotman | because they may not make sense to you |
| 11:08.40 | abrotman | galumph: yes, deps are always installed, recommends are installed by default, suggests are not .. you can change it to not install recommends by default |
| 11:09.03 | _nix00 | jpinx-eeepc: I am going to buy H1, see you XD |
| 11:09.05 | galumph | That's great then |
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| 11:14.32 | boairc | hi |
| 11:14.44 | boairc | i have a chrooted apache2 and need to setup the cronjob for debian |
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| 11:15.01 | boairc | on which user's crontab should i set it up? (www-data?) |
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| 11:16.51 | rom | anyone know what the "type" command does? looks like it's part of bash |
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| 11:17.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | rom: if its part of bash 'help type' will tell you |
| 11:17.48 | rom | perfect ... i tries man type and it just listed it ... didn't know you could do that |
| 11:17.48 | galumph | 'man type' too |
| 11:18.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | galumph: no manual, its a shell builtin |
| 11:18.05 | rom | yeah man type just lists it as one of the builtins of bash .. but doesn't really desribe it |
| 11:18.13 | rom | help type works |
| 11:18.14 | rom | thanks |
| 11:18.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | rom: np |
| 11:18.45 | galumph | kapming_kaiser: man type works for me, though, I'm on gentoo |
| 11:19.27 | abrotman | that'll end soon!!!!! bwhahaha |
| 11:19.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | galumph: failed for me, on debian :) |
| 11:19.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | abrotman: hehe |
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| 11:22.10 | mrkiko_at_work | Hi all guys! Hoping someone knows the answer to my question - I have compiled the latest version of libncurses, but it's ABI doesn't seem compatibel with my allready compiled software. What should I do to avoid re-compiling all the software requiring ncurses? |
| 11:22.18 | mrkiko_at_work | Or in other words - what does Debian do to avoid situations like this? |
| 11:23.28 | abrotman | why would you do that? |
| 11:23.55 | boairc | anybody can recommend me which user should run cron jobs for apache2? |
| 11:24.07 | boairc | i thinkapache2 runs as root because is chrooted |
| 11:25.10 | mrkiko_at_work | abrotman: oh... because I'm maintaining a custom distribution just for learning purposes... |
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| 11:25.35 | mrkiko_at_work | abrotman: and so when it came to update ncurses, I asked myself how debian would resolve this kind of problems |
| 11:26.27 | abrotman | mrkiko_at_work: well, i'd probably not be mixing my custom distro with Debian ... |
| 11:26.44 | abrotman | mrkiko_at_work: if the ABI changed, not much you can do I don't think |
| 11:26.50 | Alagar | hi |
| 11:27.08 | mrkiko_at_work | abrotman: infact, I didn't mix it... |
| 11:27.39 | mrkiko_at_work | abrotman: but I was thinking there where solutions. And so - for example: what will happen when debian should be upgraded to use the last ncurses version? Will all package maintainers be alerted? |
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| 11:28.41 | abrotman | if it requires a rebuild, i believe it does it automatically |
| 11:28.55 | abrotman | on the buildd .. not the actual user system |
| 11:29.08 | Alagar | any one can help me. i need to monitor my machine(cpu , HDD, processor, apache) through webbased. is any good webbased tool |
| 11:29.27 | galumph | wait, I can't compile something instead of apt-getting it? |
| 11:29.48 | abrotman | galumph: you can .. but some core things probably shouldn't be |
| 11:30.08 | galumph | Oh, that's fine then |
| 11:30.20 | abrotman | like ... recompiling your own libc6 might cause an issue :) |
| 11:30.44 | abrotman | mrkiko_at_work: what's the actual error you're getting ? |
| 11:30.46 | galumph | Heh, yeah. I /was/ thinking of compiling Xorg. :-P |
| 11:31.03 | abrotman | galumph: unless you need some new driver or something, really probably not worth your time |
| 11:31.05 | mrkiko_at_work | abrotman: when running the program? |
| 11:31.09 | abrotman | with ncurses |
| 11:31.26 | abrotman | and given that Xorg is now modular, probably really not worth it |
| 11:31.35 | mrkiko_at_work | i don't get errors - but executables compiled with the old ABI prints something like "unable to map segment: permission denied". Map with 1 M, not 2 |
| 11:31.36 | galumph | abrotman: just kidding :-) |
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| 11:31.43 | abrotman | galumph: in general, it's easier if you work with the Debian packages .. than run around compiling everything |
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| 11:32.06 | abrotman | mrkiko_at_work: and if you put hte original ncurses back? |
| 11:32.25 | abrotman | or remove yours (hopefully it's in /usr/local/) |
| 11:32.32 | galumph | I've compiled Xorg once, and it wasn't pleasent |
| 11:32.41 | galumph | 12 hours? Damn |
| 11:32.53 | mrkiko_at_work | abrotman: ah ... don't worry my distro is on a ramdisk |
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| 11:33.00 | mrkiko_at_work | so no problems |
| 11:33.08 | mrkiko_at_work | it was onlly to learn :) |
| 11:33.11 | galumph | Then I had to compile gnome.. |
| 11:34.15 | mrkiko_at_work | thank you all |
| 11:34.22 | mrkiko_at_work | now I should go &unregister this nick :) |
| 11:34.39 | mrkiko_at_work | mmy original one is mrkiko - but the irc clienthaving it is so far away from here :D |
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| 11:36.21 | boairc | how do i see all users on the system? |
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| 11:37.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | boairc: look in the passwd file |
| 11:37.11 | shylent | does anyone know a way to 'route' pulseaudio's input to output, that is to make me 'hear what I am recording', if that makes it clearer at all |
| 11:37.13 | boairc | that's not too elegant |
| 11:37.18 | boairc | is that the only way? |
| 11:37.19 | shylent | +questionmark |
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| 11:37.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | boairc: um, what are you looking for? |
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| 11:38.12 | abrotman | boairc: getent passwd |
| 11:39.25 | boairc | just to see all users acc on system |
| 11:39.44 | boairc | ok i think the getent works |
| 11:39.46 | boairc | thanks |
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| 11:46.01 | Wooga | hello, how do i disable framebuffer in debian squeeze ? |
| 11:48.09 | jelly-home | !nofb |
| 11:48.10 | dpkg | To disable framebuffer use at Debian installation time, supply the "fb=false" (d-i) or "video=vga16:off" (kernel) boot options. |
| 11:48.18 | boairc | if i add an entry to /etc/hosts do i have to restart anything? |
| 11:48.32 | Wooga | jelly-home, thanks! |
| 11:48.48 | cahoot | boairc: add it and try ping <entry> |
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| 11:49.40 | boairc | great works |
| 11:49.41 | boairc | thansk |
| 11:49.47 | boairc | thanks* |
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| 11:50.24 | fragalot | Hey - helping someone fix his server, php5-gd is installed, yet we still get the error that the function gd_version(); and imagecreatetruecolor(); don't exist indicating that gd isn't installed |
| 11:50.29 | fragalot | any suggestions? |
| 11:51.12 | abrotman | fragalot: i think that's in the BTS |
| 11:51.28 | fragalot | bts? |
| 11:51.47 | fragalot | phpinfo indicates GD version 2.0 or higher, and GD is enabled |
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| 11:53.18 | Wooga | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:53.42 | Wooga | i tried to add to grub.cfg this options, but nothing helped |
| 11:53.47 | GPenguin | !nouveau |
| 11:53.47 | dpkg | Nouveau is a project with the goal of open source 3D acceleration for NVIDIA cards. Nouveau <DRM> in mainline as of Linux 2.6.33, included in linux-2.6 as of 2.6.32-10, not considered an official release. Display driver packaged as xserver-xorg-video-nouveau, no 3D support included; read its README.Debian to enable driver use. http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ #nouveau on irc.freenode.net. For 3D support, ask me about <nvidia>. |
| 11:53.49 | fragalot | abrotman: apparently restarting apache worked :D |
| 11:54.12 | GPenguin | !nvidia |
| 11:54.12 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 11:54.24 | GPenguin | hmmm |
| 11:55.15 | GPenguin | ah, i remember now. the nvidia installer suggested how to disable nouveau's framebuffer driver |
| 11:57.07 | Wooga | anyone? |
| 11:57.44 | GPenguin | Wooga: maybe you can drop nouveau.conf in /etc/modprobe.d and put in it 2 lines: |
| 11:57.49 | GPenguin | blacklist nouveau |
| 11:57.57 | GPenguin | options nouveau modeset=0 |
| 11:58.03 | GPenguin | and reboot |
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| 11:58.24 | GPenguin | but no guarantee that it works :-)) |
| 11:58.47 | jelly-home | Wooga: video=vga16:off _is_ supposed to work after installation. KMS feature available in squeeze might mess with that and force fb when graphic drivers load |
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| 11:59.24 | jelly-home | it switches the console to framebuffer for video-intel |
| 12:01.16 | boairc | how can i run a command as a different user? |
| 12:02.21 | Wooga | GPenguin, thanks a lot! blacklisting nouveau helped me |
| 12:02.27 | boairc | sudo? |
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| 12:04.40 | GPenguin | Wooga: welcome |
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| 12:07.22 | boairc | i need to setup cronjobs |
| 12:07.33 | boairc | in which user's crontab should i set them up? |
| 12:07.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | in the crontab of the user who needs to run them |
| 12:08.32 | boairc | apache2 needs to run it |
| 12:08.55 | boairc | apache2 user is www-data but it seems it can't run wget |
| 12:09.10 | boairc | i need to basically run a drupal cron.php |
| 12:09.40 | deepy | As I recall, any user can run that |
| 12:09.51 | boairc | when i sudo as www-data for that command i get cannot execute binary file |
| 12:09.59 | valdyn | boairc: why would you think that www-data cant run wget? |
| 12:10.37 | boairc | sudo -s -u www-data /usr/bin/wget |
| 12:10.37 | boairc | /usr/bin/wget: /usr/bin/wget: cannot execute binary file |
| 12:11.22 | deepy | What I mean is that you don't need to be www-data to download cron.php |
| 12:11.42 | boairc | so i should just use some user acc on the server? |
| 12:13.09 | deepy | http://drupal.org/cron |
| 12:14.28 | boairc | i think its a sudo problem not a wget one |
| 12:14.31 | boairc | yup |
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| 12:16.37 | boairc | i can have one SINGLE space between cron time entries? or i can have more (* * * * *) ? |
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| 12:17.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | can have multiple, tabs or spaces |
| 12:17.20 | boairc | ty |
| 12:17.42 | deepy | still, you don't need to run wget as www-data |
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| 12:20.10 | boairc | deepy: who should i run it as? |
| 12:20.35 | boairc | i added it to www-data because that's basically the web server |
| 12:20.45 | deepy | And that's what you're doing wrong |
| 12:21.15 | deepy | http://drupal.org/cron - read that page and take note of the security notes |
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| 12:22.20 | boairc | ok |
| 12:22.42 | Martin_vW | Is it normal for the Linux cache to suddenly empty? I have a server with 8 GB memory, and it fills up it's cache, but then suddenly, it almost empties it completely. Look at the graph: http://support.iserv.eu/~martin.von.wittich/mem.png |
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| 12:29.25 | dutchfish | Martin_vW: normally, no |
| 12:31.28 | dutchfish | Martin_vW: this can be induced by processes that need much memory, so much, that the kernel need to flush its caches, but then againm you would also see more swap, unless swapiness has been altered |
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| 12:31.53 | Martin_vW | dutchfish: the server doesn't actually have any swap, just the 8 GB memory. Could that be the issue? |
| 12:32.13 | dutchfish | Martin_vW: not sure about that |
| 12:32.33 | Martin_vW | dutchfish: but if there were processes that needed the memory, that should be visible on the graph too. The dark blue area represents the memory that is actually in use by processes. |
| 12:32.43 | dutchfish | Martin_vW: but in none of my servers i see such high's and lows in cache |
| 12:33.16 | dutchfish | Martin_vW: apart from a fresh reboot, the cache slowly grows and then stays steady at some point |
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| 12:34.16 | dutchfish | Martin_vW: its hard to make conclusions of that graph alone, study your logs. |
| 12:35.16 | dutchfish | Martin_vW: and you better have some cash |
| 12:35.32 | Martin_vW | dutchfish: why? |
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| 12:35.52 | dutchfish | Martin_vW: if you machine runs out of memory, then what? |
| 12:36.46 | Martin_vW | dutchfish: it would kill processes. But as far as the graph goes back, this has never happened. |
| 12:37.03 | dutchfish | Martin_vW: maybe that is already happening at the point where you graph peaks, but logs will tell you |
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| 12:37.34 | Martin_vW | dutchfish: no, no oom kills yet. I would have noticed _that_ ;) |
| 12:37.43 | dutchfish | Martin_vW: ok |
| 12:38.23 | dutchfish | Martin_vW: curieus what kernel are you exactly running and what debian version? |
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| 12:39.07 | Martin_vW | Debian lenny, linux-image-2.6.26-2-686-bigmem 2.6.26-25lenny1. |
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| 12:39.24 | dutchfish | Martin_vW: thanks |
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| 12:44.54 | dutchfish | Martin_vW: have you checked uptime, to make sure the server isnt rebooted without knowing? |
| 12:45.52 | Martin_vW | yes, I have. Last reboot was 18 days ago, so it can't be the reason for the daily drops. |
| 12:46.01 | dutchfish | Martin_vW: ok |
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| 12:59.47 | tech | guys, i have an nfs mount. if i run the job from cli it runs fine. |
| 12:59.55 | tech | if i run from cron job it fails with permission error. |
| 12:59.57 | tech | any ideas? |
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| 13:17.11 | tech | anyone around???? |
| 13:17.20 | tech | i have acorn issue that doesn't make any sort of sense. |
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| 13:17.52 | guzu | hello all |
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| 13:18.07 | guzu | how do i open 8080 in lenny? |
| 13:18.15 | guzu | *port* |
| 13:18.23 | fbs | with iptables? |
| 13:18.29 | fbs | why do you want to do that? |
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| 13:20.32 | guzu | fbs: dansguardian, iptables, yes |
| 13:21.27 | fbs | guzu: Ah |
| 13:21.43 | fbs | guzu: you could try a frontend for iptables |
| 13:22.32 | guzu | fbs: are there any in lenny? |
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| 13:22.43 | fbs | why not |
| 13:23.05 | Wyzard | guzu: iptables doesn't block anything by default -- if your port 8080 is blocked, what rules did you set up that are blocking it? |
| 13:23.18 | fbs | http://wiki.debian.org/Firewalls |
| 13:23.48 | tech | if i run a job from the cli it runs fine |
| 13:24.06 | tech | if i cron it i get permission denied on the folder i am trying to access. folderis nfs. something happening with the UID? |
| 13:25.07 | fbs | root cron or your cron? |
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| 13:26.22 | tech | crontab |
| 13:26.31 | fbs | yeah |
| 13:26.39 | fbs | but as root or as you? |
| 13:26.47 | tech | well i am specifiying root in the job |
| 13:27.05 | tech | but i think it is not passing or somethign cause when i run form cli (logged ina s root) it runs |
| 13:27.09 | tech | just not form the cron job |
| 13:27.18 | fbs | did sudo crontab -e ? |
| 13:27.36 | guzu | Wyzard: no rules, i've just found this, but it doesn't seem to work : http://www.spencerstirling.com/computergeek/dansguardian.html |
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| 13:28.09 | tech | fbs i added them manually. |
| 13:28.15 | deepy | Is there anay tool or something that'd let me pool together several already existing storage devices and put a filesywstem on top of it? |
| 13:28.16 | tech | i didn't use crontab -e |
| 13:28.20 | tech | you think that is the issue? |
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| 13:28.42 | fbs | tech: did you put it in the crontab of the root, or in the normal user? |
| 13:28.50 | deepy | To increase speed that is, I have USB sticks, nfs mounts, sshfs mounts and more |
| 13:28.52 | tech | its in /etc/crontab |
| 13:29.14 | tech | 05 21 * * 1-5 root /root/system_scripts/onlineordering/matched_quotes/./mail_matched_est.s |
| 13:29.21 | tech | that an entry in /etc/crontab |
| 13:29.41 | tech | which runs at cli. |
| 13:29.48 | tech | but produces permission denied when it runs rom cron. |
| 13:29.52 | tech | *from |
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| 13:30.07 | Wyzard | guzu: That's a large document, so "it doesn't seem to work" is very vague |
| 13:30.10 | tech | should i crontab -e every job in my /etc/crontab? |
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| 13:30.15 | tech | that is a shitload of jobs -- ugh. |
| 13:30.25 | tech | but i am not sure if that will even correct the issue. |
| 13:30.35 | Wyzard | guzu: but of the two iptables rules there, the important one is the second one, which redirects outgoing connections to port 80 on other hosts to actually connect to port 8080 on localhost instead |
| 13:30.39 | fbs | crontab -e will add it to a user |
| 13:30.59 | fbs | you are adding it to a system wide cron |
| 13:31.02 | stew | tech: no, it shouldn't matter. you don't need to use crontab -e |
| 13:31.02 | tech | but wouldn't /etc/crontab with root specified force it to run as root?? |
| 13:31.06 | stew | tech: yes |
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| 13:31.29 | Wyzard | guzu: The first rule is there under the assumption that you already have a firewall in place that blocks traffic by default (which is reasonable since this needs to be done on your router and that's typical for a router) |
| 13:31.31 | guzu | Wyzard: right. i've did this: iptables -A INPUT -i eth1 -p tcp --dport 8080 -j ACCEPT |
| 13:31.39 | tech | stew: i got my folder perms resolvedyesterday but not it is telling me a cronjob doesn't have perms but if i run the SAME job from command line it works. |
| 13:31.42 | tech | any suggestions?? |
| 13:31.53 | guzu | Wyzard: then iptables-save > /etc/network/iptables |
| 13:31.55 | Wyzard | guzu: and what "doesn't seem to work" about it? |
| 13:32.02 | guzu | Wyzard: then iptables-apply |
| 13:32.24 | stew | tech: are you running it from the command line as "/path/to/whatever" or "sh /pahth/to/whatver" or what? |
| 13:32.29 | guzu | Wyzard: nmap shows the 8080 port is closed, and iptables -L does not mention 8080 |
| 13:32.35 | tech | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:32.39 | stew | tech: does the script rely on any env variables being set that wouldn't be set in cron? |
| 13:32.46 | tech | stew: no. |
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| 13:33.24 | man_in_ltop | waves |
| 13:33.25 | tech | ie: 05 21 * * 1-5 root /root/system_scripts/onlineordering/matched_quotes/./mail_matched_est.sh |
| 13:33.39 | man_in_ltop | so i'm thinking about learning ruby on rails to build my new site |
| 13:33.40 | tech | then i can run that same job: ./mail_matched_est.sh and it runs |
| 13:33.50 | tech | so the cron fails but the cli run does not. |
| 13:33.56 | Wyzard | guzu: "closed" is different from "filtered" -- do you actually have dansguardian listening on that port right now? |
| 13:33.58 | man_in_ltop | anyone know of a nice, easy way to get rails working nicely with lighttpd? |
| 13:34.02 | Raptors | is there a way to install the ubuntu 1 click install on debain? |
| 13:34.06 | Raptors | debian* |
| 13:34.23 | Wyzard | guzu: A port is closed if there's no program listening for connections on it, and that has nothing to do with iptables filtering |
| 13:35.03 | jpinx | Raptors: dunno and ubuntu is way offtopic in here and you can talk about it over there --> #ubuntu |
| 13:35.08 | man_in_ltop | at this point, ruby is looking unnecessarily complicated |
| 13:35.20 | fbs | tech: did cron sent you a mail? |
| 13:35.29 | Raptors | jpinx, I'm asking if I can install it on debian... |
| 13:35.45 | Raptors | I doubt the people on #ubuntu know how... |
| 13:35.49 | tech | fbs: yes |
| 13:36.15 | guzu | Wyzard: i have configured dansguardian to listen on 8080 then restarted dansguardian . nmap localhost shows 8080 open, nmap eth1 shows it closed |
| 13:36.53 | stew | guzu: use netstat to see what ip address it is bound to |
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| 13:37.40 | Wyzard | guzu: When a program binds to a port (e.g. listens on it), it can bind to the port on all interfaces, or it can bind to one specific interface |
| 13:37.51 | Wyzard | guzu: sounds like dansguardian is doing the latter, and listening on localhost only |
| 13:38.02 | Wyzard | e.g. on the "lo" interface only |
| 13:38.11 | guzu | stew: Wyzard fbs : it seems i don't really understand dansguardian configuration |
| 13:38.21 | guzu | thank you all |
| 13:38.34 | guzu | anyway, anybody understands that config file? :) |
| 13:39.40 | guzu | but, first things first: how do i configure firewall so that all traffic on lan's is denied except 8080? |
| 13:40.00 | fbs | the first time i heard of that app was 5 min's ago :P |
| 13:40.06 | Wyzard | guzu: I'm not familiar with dansguardian, but the sentence in bold on the first page regarding "filterip=" needing to be blank looks very relevant |
| 13:40.40 | Wyzard | guzu: That's related to filterport and seems to say which address to listen on, so leaving it blank likely means "all addresses" |
| 13:40.54 | guzu | i already have the 8080 allow line in iptables (or at least i hope so :) ) |
| 13:40.57 | dyek | Hi! Is there anything wrong with this following thumbdrive + netboot installation steps? |
| 13:40.58 | dyek | zcat debian5_lenny_hd-media_boot.img.gz > /dev/sde |
| 13:40.59 | dyek | mount /dev/sde /mnt/sde ; cp netboot/mini.iso /mnt/sde ; umount /mnt/sde |
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| 13:41.33 | guzu | Wyzard: thanks, i'll try that |
| 13:42.05 | dyek | It booted, but complained about not finding installation media (so similar) after searching through all my hard drives. |
| 13:42.07 | Wyzard | guzu: I'd recommend using a firewall package like FireHOL or Shorewall instead of writing iptables rules directly, btw |
| 13:42.23 | Wyzard | If you're running a Linux router you want your iptables configuration to be robust |
| 13:42.51 | guzu | Wyzard: filterip = <blank> worked fine ! thank you |
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| 13:43.21 | guzu | Wyzard: i would really like to understand whats going on |
| 13:43.32 | guzu | it's not the case, right now :) |
| 13:44.32 | Wyzard | guzu: What machine are you doing this on, actually? Is it your router, or some other machine on your network? |
| 13:44.52 | guzu | Wyzard: a router for a school |
| 13:45.04 | Wyzard | ok |
| 13:45.08 | guzu | right now it's test machine |
| 13:45.24 | guzu | after everything works ... |
| 13:45.53 | Wyzard | If it's a router it should already have some other iptables rules in place -- assuming it's a NAT router, it won't work without at least the NAT rules |
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| 13:46.29 | geekosopher | should i remove the pinning (to lenny backports) in the /etc/apt/preferences now that I have upgraded to squeeze |
| 13:46.41 | guzu | Wyzard: first i installed squid, and the proxy worked fine. then i added dansguardian and after your help, i can see the internet through dansg |
| 13:46.51 | guzu | Wyzard: i'd like to secure the machine |
| 13:47.15 | Wyzard | If you're looking to add dansguardian to an existing router then you should set up your test machine to match its configuration as a starting point |
| 13:47.33 | Wyzard | If you're setting up a whole new router, with no pre-existing configuration, you should set up your test machine for basic routing first |
| 13:47.54 | man_in_ltop | grumbles |
| 13:47.54 | Wyzard | and once again I'd recommend using a firewall package rather than writing all the iptables rules by hand |
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| 13:48.09 | man_in_ltop | what's a nice, easy server-side web language? |
| 13:48.16 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: PHP |
| 13:48.28 | man_in_ltop | php is not very "nice" |
| 13:48.47 | Tux^verdreifelt | i love php. |
| 13:48.48 | tharkun | Good evening gentlemen, on one server i have running an experimental version of postfix, whenever i update from lenny to squeeze Do I have to recompile the package so it keeps on working or will the lenny build will still be functional ? This is a production server |
| 13:48.56 | man_in_ltop | i'm kinda sick of it |
| 13:49.11 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: It's not a particularly good language, but it's easy to set up |
| 13:49.14 | fbs | man_in_ltop: switch to c ;) |
| 13:49.30 | sanzilla | hi I'm a linux user (sanzilla-the famous non stoppable IRC troller) , beside I'm going to buy a 14 inch HD i3 lappy acer.I want to know whether there are any device driver problems? |
| 13:49.31 | Wyzard | man_in_ltop: If you're looking for something else, I'd suggest you take a look at some Python web frameworks, such as Pylons |
| 13:49.31 | man_in_ltop | fbs, i could if i was masochistic |
| 13:49.32 | guzu | Wyzard: that's iptables now: http://pastebin.com/FqPaXq2j |
| 13:49.52 | sanzilla | anyone using asus 14 inch HD i3 |
| 13:49.57 | sanzilla | with debian |
| 13:50.11 | sanzilla | ? |
| 13:50.14 | tharkun | !tell sanzilla about anyone |
| 13:50.16 | fbs | man_in_ltop: nah, you would if you did it in machine code |
| 13:50.28 | Wyzard | guzu: looks like your "router" isn't actually a router yet |
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| 13:51.28 | guzu | Wyzard: as i said, the internet through dansguardian+squid works fine in client networks. i only want a rule to denya ny other traffic from lan |
| 13:51.30 | sanzilla | My Question: I'm going to buy a Asus i3 laptop. K42.Is there are any driver issues? |
| 13:51.46 | sanzilla | regarding debian? |
| 13:52.11 | sanzilla | espically support to the HD screen which is 14 inch. |
| 13:52.49 | Wyzard | guzu: I guess you're not doing NAT if this configuration successfully routes with just those rules (and with IP forwarding turned on, presumably) |
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| 13:53.13 | fbs | sanzilla: only way to find out is trying |
| 13:53.17 | geekosopher | should i change the pinning preferences in apt after upgrading from lenny to squeeze? |
| 13:53.22 | fbs | isnt there a linux on laptops like site? |
| 13:53.33 | guzu | Wyzard: indeed |
| 13:53.47 | sanzilla | fbs: those models in the laptop sites won't avaliable in sri lanka. |
| 13:53.50 | sanzilla | :( |
| 13:54.01 | fbs | hmm |
| 13:54.30 | Wyzard | guzu: If you just want to block all direct traffic through the router, setting the policy on the FORWARD chain to REJECT or DROP should work |
| 13:55.23 | sanzilla | what about suzuki laptops?It's a core 2 duo model, I give them a Debian live CD but it stucked when it detect the processor. |
| 13:55.27 | sanzilla | :S |
| 13:55.28 | Wyzard | guzu: but remember that your clients may legitimately need some other types of connections through the router, such as DNS |
| 13:55.37 | stew | guzu: if your default INPUT policy is ACCEPT, there is no point in adding other ACCEPT rules |
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| 13:56.14 | Wyzard | stew: He's following directions that seem to assume a pre-existing default-deny configuration |
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| 13:56.36 | guzu | Wyzard: good point, thanks |
| 13:56.55 | Wyzard | though one of those two rules should be a REDIRECT, not ACCEPT... |
| 13:57.17 | Wyzard | oh, nevermind, that's in a different table that's not shown here |
| 13:57.23 | guzu | stew: right, i'm only interested in denying :) |
| 13:57.26 | fbs | sanzilla: i think it will work |
| 13:57.32 | fbs | maybe some small problems |
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| 13:58.00 | fbs | if i look at the drivers most it doesnt look like it contains some special hardware |
| 13:58.07 | sanzilla | I want to know wheter there are device driver problems. Sounds and VGA and touchpad/ |
| 13:58.53 | sanzilla | I don't like device driver relaed cornel pannics ! |
| 13:59.00 | tharkun | sanzilla: long story short get a usb pendrive with a live distro into it and go to the nearest store to play with the piece of metal |
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| 14:00.02 | sanzilla | I did it using the 32 bit LiveCD(debian) but it stucked on the boot, is that mean I have to try x64 version. |
| 14:00.11 | sanzilla | that is suzuki model. |
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| 14:00.55 | sanzilla | or if they refuse to test it then better sign an legal argreement through Nolo |
| 14:01.25 | sanzilla | if os does not work I will kill you , or something similar. |
| 14:01.50 | fbs | :P |
| 14:02.13 | sanzilla | finally I talk about them, serious they agreed http://www.nolo.com/ .But the problem is here sri lanka. |
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| 14:02.26 | johni | sanzilla, are you are linux user? do you use linux on your desktops? |
| 14:02.26 | sanzilla | so will it be a legal issue? |
| 14:02.41 | sanzilla | johni: yes |
| 14:02.57 | sanzilla | is a linux troller than a user anyway. |
| 14:03.24 | geekosopher | should i change the pinning preferences in apt after upgrading from lenny to squeeze? |
| 14:03.49 | johni | sanzilla, getting all the features work on a notebook is much difficult than a desktop ... if you are not a true linux user I would stay away from a notebook |
| 14:04.24 | johni | sanzilla, ... I would stay away from a notebook with linux installed |
| 14:05.08 | sanzilla | ah for that asus linux the molinux is completely supported.It comming with it. |
| 14:05.16 | stew | i would stay away from a notebook with anything but linux installed |
| 14:05.27 | sanzilla | is that mean working on debian have no device problems? |
| 14:06.13 | stew | sanzilla: not necessarily. a lot of times hardware relies on non-free software to run, which debian would exclude. doesn't make it impossible, makes it more work |
| 14:06.23 | sanzilla | is going to burn up the asus company,like GW Bush did to Iraq. |
| 14:07.29 | sanzilla | stew: that means I have to write module drivers. No way man.It's very difficult.And why should I do it for free? |
| 14:08.16 | johni | sanzilla, do you use free software? |
| 14:08.16 | guzu | thanks again Wyzard stew and fbs m gonna reboot now |
| 14:08.17 | man_in_ltop | hey |
| 14:08.18 | man_in_ltop | that's not nice |
| 14:08.18 | man_in_ltop | sanzilla, what did all the innocent civilians do to you? |
| 14:08.23 | guzu | bye > all |
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| 14:09.15 | man_in_ltop | also, i can vouch for msi g20 laptop |
| 14:09.15 | sanzilla | they are living happy that made me jelous! and I will be too jelous If the device drivers won't work. |
| 14:09.18 | man_in_ltop | using it right now |
| 14:09.39 | man_in_ltop | *g620 |
| 14:09.39 | stew | sanzilla: no, you don't have to write anything, you just might* have to fetch software from outside of debian |
| 14:09.42 | sanzilla | man_in_ltop: is device drivers are oky? |
| 14:09.56 | man_in_ltop | sanzilla, everything works, yes |
| 14:10.04 | man_in_ltop | kernel should be at least 2.6.30 though iirc |
| 14:10.31 | man_in_ltop | sd card, wireless, webcam, bluetooth, soundcard, all work with in-tree kernel drivers |
| 14:10.38 | man_in_ltop | video card is nvidia |
| 14:10.46 | geekosopher | please anyone tell me should i change the pinning preferences in apt after upgrading from lenny to squeeze? |
| 14:11.24 | geekosopher | i mean i had pinned lenny-backports when I was using lenny |
| 14:11.43 | geekosopher | should i remove it now? |
| 14:12.44 | fbs | geekosopher: i dont think its bad to keep them |
| 14:13.46 | sanzilla | he he poor fbs, who is on a AMD laptop.By the way thanks for the info. |
| 14:13.55 | sanzilla | :P |
| 14:13.57 | geekosopher | but since i upgraded, lenny backports repo is no longer active |
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| 14:15.10 | geekosopher | if I had pinned lenny-backports to 200 earlier, will it hold the packages I installed from it, when I changed to squeeze? |
| 14:15.36 | fbs | sanzilla: who said im on AMD? |
| 14:16.05 | sanzilla | http://www.acerdirect.co.uk/E-machine_G620_Laptop_LX.N220X.042/version.asp |
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| 14:17.16 | stew | geekosopher: no, if squeeze is left at the default 500, the newer versions from squeeze will replace the backported packages |
| 14:17.47 | fbs | sanzilla: i dont have that faptop |
| 14:18.15 | geekosopher | ok thanks stew, i just needed that confirmation :) |
| 14:18.20 | Raptors | Starting bluetooth: bluetoothd compatibily daemons not started, see bluez-compat package. |
| 14:18.57 | stew | geekosopher: and the squeeze release notes (which you should be following when upgrading) will cover your situation |
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| 14:19.27 | geekosopher | stew: will go through them |
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| 14:23.28 | DelphiWorld | hi folk |
| 14:23.38 | DelphiWorld | what i shoiuld install for kernel developmant librarys? |
| 14:24.32 | sanzilla | klibs? |
| 14:24.56 | DelphiWorld | sanzilla: no package klibs |
| 14:25.21 | sanzilla | the kernel uses a standard C library such as printk is there. |
| 14:25.37 | stew | DelphiWorld: kernel source or headers and linux-libc-dev ? |
| 14:26.01 | DelphiWorld | stew: thank you a lot that's i am looking for, what i should install? |
| 14:26.30 | sanzilla | *klibc |
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| 14:28.43 | saedelaere | hi |
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| 14:30.19 | saedelaere | trying to create my first debian package. the program i want to create a package for does not need to be compiled. it has a install script that i want to execute but I do not understand from where I have to call this script. most likely not from debian/rules because this a make file. any hints? |
| 14:30.55 | DelphiWorld | stew: got it? |
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| 14:31.51 | sanzilla | apt-get install <whatever> so give me 500$ for helping you. |
| 14:33.11 | stew | DelphiWorld: no, i don't understand |
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| 14:33.32 | stew | saedelaere: have you read the new maintainers guide? |
| 14:33.35 | DelphiWorld | stew: i need the kernel header and library package |
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| 14:34.11 | stew | DelphiWorld: linux-headers-$(uname -r) and linux-libc-dev |
| 14:34.27 | stew | DelphiWorld: whether or not you need the second depends on what exactly you are doing |
| 14:34.32 | stew | or the first for that matter |
| 14:34.43 | saedelaere | stew: yes, I'm reading and reading but am unable to find the solution myself. |
| 14:35.34 | DelphiWorld | stew: E: Couldn't find package linux-headers-2.6.18-128.1.1.el5.028stab062.3 |
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| 14:35.57 | stew | DelphiWorld: oh, I was assuming you were running a debian kernel |
| 14:36.15 | DelphiWorld | stew and what is this kernel so? |
| 14:36.19 | stew | DelphiWorld: you'd have to ask whomever compiled that kernel, though you should probably just grab kernel source, again, depending on what you are trying to do |
| 14:36.42 | saedelaere | i'am pretty sure debian/rules is not the correct file for me. all those commands like dh_auto_configure are supposed to work with real configure scripts and make files |
| 14:36.45 | DelphiWorld | stew: i am compiling uclinux |
| 14:36.52 | saedelaere | or am I totally wrong |
| 14:36.53 | saedelaere | ? |
| 14:37.03 | stew | DelphiWorld: that's a redhat kernel? |
| 14:37.12 | stew | DelphiWorld: is any of this at all debian related? |
| 14:37.23 | DelphiWorld | stew: the host OS is debian |
| 14:38.17 | stew | saedelaere: it is the right file. i'd recommend looking at other packages that already exist and do what you want to do |
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| 14:39.14 | stew | saedelaere: but generally you are going to have the upstream installer install to debian/pkgname or debian/tmp and then possibly use dh_install to move things to the right location in debian/pkgname |
| 14:39.47 | sanzilla | debian sucks ! noobs are developing it. |
| 14:40.08 | saedelaere | do you have an example for a package that does something similar than I want to do? |
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| 14:45.51 | sanzilla | debian developers sucks ! They can't actually comlete the device drivers for laptops :) Who are those noobs ! |
| 14:46.02 | fbs | o_0 |
| 14:46.13 | stew | sanzilla: stop |
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| 14:47.22 | sanzilla | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:47.59 | fbs | why would you pay money for debian? |
| 14:48.13 | stew | sanzilla: please stop with the trolling and keep it constructive. if you have actual problems, please just ask questions so we can help |
| 14:48.59 | stew | saedelaere: i'd look perhaps at stuff that doesn't need to be compiled. javascript libraries perhaps, or documentation packages, or fonts |
| 14:49.06 | sanzilla | why the hell that stucked in the larisa 1414 ? suzuki laptop.Is that a mistake of suzuki or device driver developers? |
| 14:49.15 | fbs | if something doesnt work try fixing it and help improving debian |
| 14:49.34 | stew | sanzilla: what does "stucked in the larisa 1414" mean? |
| 14:50.01 | sanzilla | larisa model 1414 failled to boot on the showroom when I given them Debin Live. :( |
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| 14:50.40 | stew | sanzilla: and you want help geting it to boot? or are you just intending to vent about it, and call us names? |
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| 14:53.05 | bzed | sanzilla: and if you want some help, you should at least tell exactly what failed. |
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| 14:53.43 | bzed | sanzilla: also you could try a grml CD (which is based on debian unstable) instead of the older stable live CD. you just might need a more recent kernel |
| 14:54.02 | sanzilla | tell me a laptop to buy which is around 500$ to 800$ which satisify these constraints , 1.Debain should be work, sound,VGA touchpad are essential. 2.It should have a good battery life. 3. It should support the HD screen resolution. 4.any other future constrains which will be added by sanzilla. |
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| 14:54.35 | sanzilla | *battery life at least 4 hrs. |
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| 14:55.21 | icebrain | !debain |
| 14:55.21 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The founder of Debian was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 14:55.47 | Morten_ | :D |
| 14:55.58 | jpinx | sanzilla: giyf ;) |
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| 14:56.40 | bzed | sanzilla: I'm sure it would work on your suzuki thing, too. |
| 14:57.17 | sanzilla | bzed: have you used it or you know the drivers working with any issue? |
| 14:57.21 | jpinx | thought suzuki made motorbikes... |
| 14:57.43 | bzed | sanzilla: no, but chances are good. |
| 14:58.03 | bzed | sanzilla: take a live cd from grml.org and see if that one works |
| 14:58.07 | sanzilla | http://www.suzuki.sg/onlineshop/productdetails.php?ID=D532O530H536 |
| 14:58.20 | bzed | sanzilla: that page is useless |
| 14:58.55 | sodhi | i never knew suzuki makes laptops |
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| 14:59.25 | sanzilla | I think those noobs don't give device driver information directly because it have issues with linux. |
| 14:59.37 | sanzilla | but Ubunthu is working well. |
| 14:59.40 | amphi | cheap, according to that page |
| 14:59.43 | sanzilla | they told me. |
| 14:59.56 | sodhi | hahaha, "it have issues with linux" - "but Ubuntu is working well" ? |
| 15:00.19 | sodhi | amphi: very. |
| 15:00.20 | bzed | sanzilla: then all you might need is a more recent kernel or some proprietary firmware crap |
| 15:00.40 | bzed | sanzilla: but we can't heklp you if you don't even tell us what the problem exactly is |
| 15:00.51 | sodhi | how can people be speculating in what's wrong, he hasn't described anything other than 'it wont boot'? |
| 15:00.56 | sanzilla | when it detect the processor it stucks. |
| 15:00.59 | sanzilla | not a cornel pannic. |
| 15:01.04 | sanzilla | it stucked |
| 15:01.05 | amphi | sanzilla: I thought you said '1414' |
| 15:01.17 | jpinx | sanzilla: http://www.suzuki.sg/productinfodetails.php?MID=A562P549M531&SID=K562G549L531K565P533&PDID=D532C530Q536 |
| 15:01.20 | sanzilla | both are same drivers |
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| 15:01.41 | sanzilla | 1419 and 1414 ae same drivers. |
| 15:01.51 | sanzilla | they shop guys told. |
| 15:02.00 | amphi | SiS video card... |
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| 15:02.39 | jpinx | sanzilla: and you wanted 4hrs + of battery life, but the product spec of your selected model says 3.5 hrs |
| 15:04.11 | geekosopher | if I encounter a problem while upgrading from stable to testing, should I report the bug against the particular package (evolution) or some something else like apt or dpkg or ??? |
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| 15:05.04 | sekon | geekosopher: against a particular package |
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| 15:05.33 | jpinx | geekosopher: you mean from lenny to squeeze? Or from a package version that is in squeeze? |
| 15:05.45 | geekosopher | from lenny to squeeze |
| 15:06.15 | geekosopher | complete system |
| 15:06.19 | jpinx | s/from/to |
| 15:06.50 | jpinx | geekosopher: probably good to air it in here, there's a few of the people involved who hang out here sometimes |
| 15:07.15 | geekosopher | jpinx: ok |
| 15:07.31 | jpinx | but it's weekend, better during working hours weekdays ;) |
| 15:07.43 | geekosopher | hehe |
| 15:08.05 | geekosopher | i am speculating that there would be someone here right now |
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| 15:09.29 | geekosopher | giving 'reportbug evolution' right now anyways |
| 15:10.27 | geekosopher | but the errors i saw are recorded in /etc/apt/term.log !! should I really give 'reportbug evolution' ? |
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| 15:11.00 | jpinx | geekosopher: maybe crossreference them? |
| 15:11.37 | Pavlz | see we later |
| 15:11.40 | geekosopher | jpinx: so you mean i do 'reportbug evolution' and attach the term.log? |
| 15:11.46 | Pavlz | bye bye paolo |
| 15:12.46 | jpinx | geekosopher: you're the one who has to answer for the bug report, so do what you're comfortable with... ;) |
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| 15:17.16 | geekosopher | jpinx: I am just trying to make developers' and triagers' life easier :P |
| 15:17.50 | jpinx | I know - don't mind my cynicism ;) |
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| 15:19.05 | Martin_vW | dutchfish: I found a server that still has swap, and it shows the same cache behaviour. That seems to suggest that the problem is not related to the swap. http://support.iserv.eu/~martin.von.wittich/mem2.png |
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| 15:31.00 | innociv | I installed postfix but don't have the "mail"command it seems |
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| 15:32.01 | niklaswe | innociv: you must install mailx program |
| 15:32.09 | Raptors | Can someone please help me get bluetooth working? |
| 15:32.33 | innociv | Can I test sending out a mail without that? |
| 15:32.47 | sanzilla | I need a laptop man! |
| 15:33.02 | sanzilla | give me information please. |
| 15:33.14 | sanzilla | let me have |
| 15:33.25 | bzed | sanzilla: we're not the consumer help line. |
| 15:34.05 | Raptors | when I try to start blueman manager I get an error saying bluez daemon isn't running. |
| 15:34.10 | bzed | sanzilla: look for a model you like and google it together with debian |
| 15:35.01 | Raptors | I tried doing /etc/init.d/bluetooth restart |
| 15:35.07 | Raptors | but that didn't help |
| 15:35.28 | sanzilla | when I google it with debian I understand that suzuki web site is runs on debian :P But that doesn't mean debain will work under their laptops. |
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| 15:37.37 | sanzilla | is going to flood #debain if you someone don't help me within 5minutes. |
| 15:38.05 | niklaswe | innociv: use telnet |
| 15:38.18 | jpinx | !ops sanzilla trolling |
| 15:38.18 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: jpinx complains about: sanzilla trolling |
| 15:38.19 | niklaswe | you can use telnet* |
| 15:38.45 | mentor | niklaswe: I think that's a tad premature |
| 15:38.52 | mentor | ah |
| 15:38.58 | mentor | sanzilla: Don't do that |
| 15:39.16 | mentor | Not that I'm entirely convinced you can |
| 15:40.07 | niklaswe | mentor: but you can test with telnet ^^ |
| 15:40.27 | mentor | rolls his eyes |
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| 15:41.47 | Raptors | Come one someone please help me! |
| 15:41.52 | innociv | How do I empty out a log file? something like "cat /var/log/log.log > dev/null" I think? |
| 15:42.18 | mentor | Raptors: Is bluez running? |
| 15:42.23 | jpinx | innociv: rm ? |
| 15:42.38 | niklaswe | innociv: > file.log |
| 15:42.40 | niklaswe | can you use |
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| 15:42.55 | niklaswe | or cat /dev/null > /var/log/file.log |
| 15:43.09 | jpinx | innociv: depends on whetheer your system needs that specific logfile again |
| 15:43.11 | Raptors | mentor, how do I start it? |
| 15:43.24 | Raptors | bash@debian:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/bluetooth restart |
| 15:43.25 | Raptors | Stopping bluetooth: bluetoothd. |
| 15:43.25 | Raptors | Starting bluetooth: bluetoothd. |
| 15:43.29 | innociv | Ok |
| 15:43.29 | mentor | Don't do that |
| 15:43.38 | Raptors | don't do what? |
| 15:43.39 | innociv | jpinx, it does. I need to empty not deletei t |
| 15:43.47 | mentor | Raptors: Yes, you started it, but is it running? |
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| 15:43.57 | Raptors | mentor, how do I check? |
| 15:44.03 | mentor | ps? top? |
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| 15:44.16 | giggsey | I'm in the middle of an IP migration, and have two different subnets connected via eth0 and eth1. Is it possible to forward/redirect/whatever all traffic coming in eth0 to eth2? |
| 15:44.29 | jpinx | innociv: > /path/to/log.file |
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| 15:45.17 | Raptors | mentor, what is the name? |
| 15:45.22 | Raptors | bluez? |
| 15:45.29 | innociv | I get permission denied from that |
| 15:45.33 | mentor | Er, something like that |
| 15:45.42 | jpinx | innociv: as root? |
| 15:45.46 | innociv | doing sudo |
| 15:46.02 | Raptors | mentor, there isn't anything like that in processes :/ |
| 15:46.17 | jpinx | innociv: use su |
| 15:46.20 | innociv | sudo sh -c "cmd" seemed to work |
| 15:46.24 | sanzilla | you koobs don't have enough skills to answer my question. |
| 15:46.24 | mentor | Raptors: Right, have a look at you logs to see if there's anything helpful in there |
| 15:46.33 | minver | I try to install a ventrilo server on my VPS (debian os). The installation went fine but my server doesn't answer to that port. Do I need to configure my iptables? Is it port-forwarding? |
| 15:46.47 | niklaswe | sanzilla: which question? |
| 15:47.00 | sanzilla | errr |
| 15:47.07 | jpinx | he didn't ask one |
| 15:47.21 | niklaswe | sanzilla: if it was about the mail then we has already answer you about it. |
| 15:47.22 | innociv | Alright. I set up postfix and this is what I'm getting.. http://pastebin.com/E2HMzKMj Can't seem to send mail. |
| 15:47.46 | Robinux | anyone know anything about usb-fdd legacy emulation as usb or whatever |
| 15:48.07 | sanzilla | usb-zip is the leagacy support by old MBs. |
| 15:48.08 | niklaswe | innociv: you have create an alias database thats why |
| 15:48.38 | sanzilla | both usb flash drive can be made a usb-hdd or usb-zip mode. |
| 15:48.45 | sanzilla | there are utilities. |
| 15:49.03 | innociv | I need to have aliases? |
| 15:49.04 | Robinux | i see sanzilla |
| 15:49.24 | Robinux | so there is a way for me to emulate my usb stick as a usb-fdd (whatever that means) |
| 15:49.31 | Robinux | (floppy disk i think) |
| 15:49.38 | innociv | http://wiki.debian.org/Postfix I ran postconf -e "alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases" and there is no /etc/aliases folder. |
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| 15:50.22 | at0m | innociv: here it's a /file/ |
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| 15:51.42 | sanzilla | there is a flag you have to turn it on. |
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| 15:51.51 | Robinux | flag |
| 15:52.16 | sanzilla | ya then it's no longer a removable disk. |
| 15:52.25 | sanzilla | and a utility to do that. |
| 15:52.27 | sanzilla | wait |
| 15:52.44 | Robinux | i see |
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| 15:53.18 | Nashenas | so I'm trying to modify my PS1 when I log in, I added an export to the end of my .profile, but for some reason it's not changing it, where should I be changing the PS1? |
| 15:53.29 | Raptors | mentor, where is the log located and what's it called? |
| 15:53.37 | mentor | /var/log |
| 15:53.40 | Raptors | I can't find any bluez logs in /var/log |
| 15:53.42 | paradigm | Nashenas: I set it in my .bashrc |
| 15:53.47 | paradigm | not sure if that's the proper place or not |
| 15:53.48 | paradigm | but it works |
| 15:54.09 | mentor | Raptors: There won't be a specific file for buez |
| 15:54.16 | innociv | at0m, well where is it? I don't really see anything in /etc/postfix.. |
| 15:55.27 | innociv | no main.cf even. |
| 15:57.08 | Nashenas | paradigm: thanks, that worked |
| 15:57.15 | paradigm | happy to help |
| 15:57.34 | sanzilla | Roblinux: if you want to boot a image like Freedos (which only runs protected mode) then you better use ramdisk. |
| 15:57.40 | SparFux | He, why do I get "unknown locale" error from GNUmed for a self-made locale? Isn't that the whole ponit that it's "unknown"? |
| 15:57.57 | sanzilla | or just wait till I'll found it. |
| 15:58.36 | Robinux | :D |
| 15:59.09 | Robinux | nope i'm trying to boot off of a boot.img to install debian from the net |
| 15:59.35 | sanzilla | netboot? |
| 16:00.04 | sanzilla | so simply use supergrubdisk like thing and load your boot.img there. |
| 16:01.38 | sanzilla | http://www.supergrubdisk.org/ |
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| 16:02.51 | preller | what's the difference between transmission-devel and -cli? both provide a webinterface, right? |
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| 16:03.08 | Robinux | oh |
| 16:03.12 | preller | s/-devel/daemon/ |
| 16:03.40 | Robinux | sanzilla: netboot and netinstall are 2 different things aren't they? |
| 16:04.03 | sanzilla | you want to install over pxe? |
| 16:04.20 | wildc4rd | afternoon all |
| 16:04.35 | sanzilla | I did that already,I think I could help you. |
| 16:04.45 | tech | ok guys I need some sanity help here.... I have a job that I am runnign at the command line via ./somescript or i run it sh somescript.sh and it runs fine. |
| 16:04.59 | tech | however if i schedule it and run from cron it fails with permission errors over nfs. |
| 16:04.59 | sanzilla | then you need a DHCP server.If you are on windows use tftp32 |
| 16:05.12 | tech | so something tells me it is the user it is running as but i have it set as root. |
| 16:05.14 | Robinux | sanzilla: i tried over pxe it didn't work i think because this laptop i'm on is windows |
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| 16:05.19 | tech | what could be causing this? |
| 16:05.27 | Robinux | sanzilla: so i thought i'd netinstall debian |
| 16:05.39 | sanzilla | Roblinux: PXE thing works for me fine.And I'm on windows. |
| 16:05.46 | Robinux | damn |
| 16:05.48 | Robinux | really |
| 16:05.50 | Robinux | what do youuse |
| 16:05.52 | Robinux | you use |
| 16:06.03 | sanzilla | after you setup your DHCP server , then disable the router's DHCP server. |
| 16:06.04 | Robinux | i used tftp32 application on windows |
| 16:06.06 | sanzilla | then it will work |
| 16:06.49 | sanzilla | make sure your router's DHCP server is off. |
| 16:07.39 | tech | anyone? |
| 16:07.50 | tech | stew: you around? |
| 16:08.08 | sanzilla | stew was banned becaus he didn't help me. |
| 16:08.15 | tech | haahha |
| 16:09.29 | Robinux | oh |
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| 16:10.35 | Robinux | sanzilla i can't disable the router's dhcp because its my camp's router |
| 16:10.43 | Robinux | will a crossover thernet cable work? |
| 16:10.56 | geekosopher | does the term.log has any entries that I should remove before attaching them to the bug report (privacy related) |
| 16:11.21 | sanzilla | ya it will work.but make sure you ready with tftp32. |
| 16:11.30 | Robinux | i see |
| 16:11.33 | tharkun | !tell Robinux unetbootin |
| 16:11.34 | Robinux | which version do you use? |
| 16:11.41 | amphi | Robinux: with modern ethernet cards you don't even need a crossover cable |
| 16:11.45 | tharkun | !tell Robinux about unetbootin |
| 16:11.55 | Robinux | no don't tell me anything about unetbooting this is something else man haha |
| 16:12.26 | tech | guys... |
| 16:12.29 | tech | Oct 9 12:00:01 IDS /USR/SBIN/CRON[26241]: (root) CMD (^I/root/gettemp.sh) |
| 16:12.32 | Robinux | amphi ok |
| 16:12.35 | tech | what is that ^I there??? |
| 16:12.35 | sanzilla | Roblinux you have to correctly configure the bootfile pxelinux.0 in the tftp setup |
| 16:12.53 | tharkun | Robinux: i used unetbootin to kickstart a net install. There was no other way, and the network setup was very similar |
| 16:13.18 | Robinux | i just put the netboot.tar.gz in C:\program files\tftp32\netboot |
| 16:13.21 | Robinux | right |
| 16:14.18 | Robinux | btw sanzilla the netboot image and the normal image are different things right |
| 16:14.26 | innociv | How do I complete remove postfix and the configuration? It seems really messed up |
| 16:14.27 | Robinux | i can only use the netboot image for pxe booting |
| 16:14.31 | sanzilla | you should place in the current directory. |
| 16:14.37 | Robinux | oh |
| 16:14.49 | Robinux | the same directory as tftp32? i see |
| 16:15.12 | sanzilla | In the tftp GUI there is a current directory. |
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| 16:15.59 | Robinux | ok |
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| 16:16.42 | sanzilla | then where is your pxelinux.0 ? |
| 16:17.26 | Robinux | in the current directory i provided in the tftp32 GUI |
| 16:17.40 | Robinux | but damn it just gave me ARP timeout |
| 16:17.41 | Robinux | hmmmmm |
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| 16:17.51 | Robinux | this has something to do with the router thing you told me about |
| 16:18.01 | Robinux | but wait what do i put in the ip settings? |
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| 16:18.20 | Raptors | Does anyone else have any suggestions as to how I can get bluez working agian? |
| 16:18.21 | sanzilla | settings button. |
| 16:18.41 | Raptors | It was working then something happened and it broke. Not sure as to what that something was though. |
| 16:21.49 | Robinux | dns server will be the ip of my windows laptop? |
| 16:21.51 | Robinux | sanzilla? |
| 16:22.29 | jargon- | how do i determine the sizes of the testing repos? |
| 16:22.32 | sanzilla | yep. DNS and DHCP both |
| 16:22.43 | sanzilla | we not using DNS here. |
| 16:22.45 | jordanm | ,dstats squeeze |
| 16:23.04 | jordanm | !dstats squeeze |
| 16:23.14 | sanzilla | in my settings I use DNS server as the router because it will enable internet access while this process. |
| 16:23.16 | jordanm | !dstats testing |
| 16:23.26 | jargon- | ,dstats testing |
| 16:23.33 | jargon- | jordanm: hmmm |
| 16:23.34 | Robinux | i see |
| 16:23.45 | jordanm | jargon-: that command is a bit slow, should show up soon |
| 16:23.52 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on lenny... 22936 packages, 1934 maintainers, 58748 MB installed size, 20592 MB compressed size. |
| 16:23.54 | tech | anyone know how to replace a space with tab in nano? |
| 16:24.02 | jordanm | jargon-: there ya go |
| 16:24.03 | jargon- | jordanm: oh ok. thanks |
| 16:24.40 | jargon- | jordanm: that's on lenny. nothing on squeeze? |
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| 16:24.46 | johnfg | hi guys |
| 16:25.26 | johnfg | I tried to get the network to come up the way I wanted it to in squeeze without network manager, but it really screwed things up temporarily. |
| 16:25.42 | johnfg | I had interfaces configured as I do in lenny, but that didn't work. |
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| 16:26.08 | johnfg | My question: what all is needed in interfaces when I'm running network manager? |
| 16:26.18 | Robinux | do we do anything about the ports, sanzilla? |
| 16:26.28 | jordanm | jargon-: I guess not, sid will work however |
| 16:26.47 | sanzilla | did you allow tftp32 , or blocked it when the windows asked? |
| 16:26.48 | jordanm | johnfg: IIRC, it mentions that in /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian |
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| 16:27.00 | jargon- | ,dstats sid |
| 16:27.02 | sanzilla | if you told blocked it you have to add this exception. |
| 16:27.08 | jordanm | jargon-: wrong bot |
| 16:27.12 | jordanm | !dstats sid |
| 16:27.15 | tech | anyone know how to find text and replace with a tab in nano??? |
| 16:27.17 | jargon- | oh |
| 16:27.47 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 30113 packages, 2157 maintainers, 96870 MB installed size, 36209 MB compressed size. |
| 16:27.49 | acx0 | i'm trying to install debian squeeze on my aspire one netbook, but the installation is asking if i want to continue "install without loading kernel modules" |
| 16:28.22 | acx0 | I'm thinking it's for my atheros wireless driver (ath9k), which should be downloaded, but my ethernet doesn't work either |
| 16:28.34 | jargon- | ok so ~60GB for lenny and ~97GB for sid. |
| 16:28.47 | johnfg | jordanm, Thanks. I think this will help. Will let you know. |
| 16:28.57 | jordanm | acx0: ath9k is in the upstream kernel, and does not need to be downloaded, nor does it require firmware |
| 16:29.19 | sanzilla | control panel->windows firewall->exceptions then see tftp is blocked or not |
| 16:29.21 | acx0 | jordanm, is there a way to check which kernel module it's referring to? |
| 16:29.28 | sanzilla | * ticked |
| 16:29.44 | jordanm | acx0: probably says in the debugging console. tty 2 or 3 |
| 16:30.19 | acx0 | the console says "WARNING **: no packages matching running kernel 2.6.32-5-486 in archive" - but I have the full first install iso |
| 16:30.43 | acx0 | i originally downloaded the netinstall, but then got the full ~700MB one since I found my ethernet driver doesn't work by default |
| 16:30.49 | jordanm | which installer are you using? |
| 16:31.06 | acx0 | CD1, it's about 700MB |
| 16:31.17 | acx0 | so it should have most of the packages on it, no? |
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| 16:31.28 | jordanm | is that one of the weekly builds? |
| 16:31.52 | johnfg | jordanm, After editing NetworkManager.conf, do I need to restart Network Manager? |
| 16:32.04 | acx0 | I believe, I'll look for the link again, it said "all architectures', which normally I don't recall seeing when I download the full disc |
| 16:32.24 | acx0 | I had to options to install 64 bit when it asked me, but I choose 32 bit alternate desktop (LXDE) |
| 16:32.26 | jordanm | johnfg: don't know, never had to hand edit n-m configurations. I'm sure it won't hurt |
| 16:32.48 | jordanm | acx0: the installer asked you? is one of the new live cd installers? |
| 16:33.01 | sanzilla | johnfg: who tells to the approprimate software that the configuration had changed ? |
| 16:33.21 | sanzilla | unless you initialize the automatic tiggering using corn or something. |
| 16:33.34 | jordanm | sanzilla: some applications will check config files upon a particular action... eg. exim and the alias configuration |
| 16:33.38 | acx0 | jordanm, it's the ncurses installer, not gtk, it's just the initial debian prompt at the beginning |
| 16:33.45 | johnfg | sanzilla, I just did a /etc/init.d/NetworkManager restart, and it's cool. |
| 16:33.58 | acx0 | you can specify which desktop environment through "advanced settings" |
| 16:34.14 | jordanm | acx0: only one arch should be available, and yes, the alternate desktops should be fine |
| 16:34.20 | acx0 | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ I clicked multi-arch on this page |
| 16:34.30 | acx0 | iso_images under multi-arch |
| 16:34.35 | jordanm | you can also do the same by adding desktop=foo to the boot line |
| 16:34.59 | acx0 | ok, so should I go ahead and install without the kernel module it's asking confirmation for? |
| 16:35.26 | jordanm | acx0: that only links to a powerpc netinst? |
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| 16:35.46 | acx0 | "debian-testing-amd64-i386-powerpc-netinst.iso" |
| 16:35.54 | acx0 | that's what it says when i follow the link |
| 16:35.59 | acx0 | (to ftp site?) |
| 16:36.08 | jordanm | right, thats not what you want |
| 16:36.28 | jordanm | you want i386 or amd64, not powerpc |
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| 16:36.44 | acx0 | doesn't that mean it has all of them? |
| 16:36.56 | jordanm | i wouldn't think so |
| 16:37.25 | acx0 | just wondering why would it say "amd64, i386" in the name then |
| 16:37.39 | jordanm | where do you see that? |
| 16:38.09 | acx0 | debian-testing-amd64-i386-powerpc-netinst.iso |
| 16:38.12 | acx0 | that's the name of the file |
| 16:38.16 | acx0 | that I downloaded |
| 16:38.19 | bzed | acx0: yeah it works on all threee architectures |
| 16:38.32 | jordanm | I didn't look at that close enough |
| 16:38.46 | acx0 | hmm would this help if I put it on usb? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/testing/current/ |
| 16:38.52 | bzed | acx0: not sure what it will do if you would want to intsall i386 on an amd64 box, though |
| 16:39.13 | bzed | jordanm: why do you answer things than if you don't know it properly? |
| 16:40.02 | acx0 | bzed, there's a page that comes up before the install gives options to install normal 32-bit, 64-bit, or advanced, where that page leads you to specify which DE you want, and there's the same pages available for 64 bit as well |
| 16:40.09 | jordanm | bzed: the "multi-arch" installer came up after I began helping him |
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| 16:41.13 | s3a | I know I am not supposed to use Ubuntu repositories but is it okay to pull in debianized source code from Ubuntu's repositories? |
| 16:41.16 | acx0 | ok well, if I downloaded the tarred firmware files, will the installer pick them up automatically from usb when it asks to look for them? |
| 16:41.30 | s3a | (as opposed to .deb binaries) |
| 16:41.50 | s3a | or is that still bad? |
| 16:42.24 | jordanm | debian source packages? better, but why not just pull from testing/unstable? |
| 16:42.39 | jordanm | or backport from testing/unstable I should say |
| 16:43.17 | s3a | jordanm, because testing does not have it and sid has a minor bugfix over the stable one and is very old compared to upstream |
| 16:43.50 | s3a | for netbeans-ide and i also want an answer in general not just for that program |
| 16:44.57 | jordanm | s3a: ubuntu is maintaining a package in parrallel with debian? or upstream targets ubuntu? |
| 16:45.53 | jordanm | anyways, backporting source packages is generally safe. if it comes from upstream, its likely statically linked and may not matter |
| 16:46.36 | s3a | netbeans is 6.0 in debian sid and netbeans 6.9 in ubuntu maverick |
| 16:47.41 | s3a | jordanm, are you saying that some ubuntu sources can cause problems? |
| 16:48.17 | jordanm | sources should not be a problem, but the binaries themselves can |
| 16:48.49 | jordanm | so typically you just rebuild the source packages to play it safe. I see netbeans-ide is also sitting on an old RC bug |
| 16:50.39 | s3a | jordanm, ya that's why i asked about source because i do want to play it safe :) |
| 16:50.46 | s3a | jordanm, and does that RC bug still apply? |
| 16:50.59 | jordanm | s3a: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=478762 |
| 16:51.07 | jordanm | s3a: probably, its a license issue |
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| 16:51.38 | s3a | jordanm, then why isn't it in contrib or non-free? |
| 16:51.43 | s3a | until the issue is resolve |
| 16:51.44 | s3a | d |
| 16:52.13 | jordanm | that could be the solution |
| 16:52.35 | s3a | it certainly is a better solution that not providing it at all |
| 16:53.21 | s3a | anyways so i'm half-happy that I can just get it from ubuntu |
| 16:53.26 | s3a | jordanm, thanks |
| 16:53.55 | paranoidphreak | hi everybody, what's the best p2p client out there for debian (i've tried gtk-gnutella but it doesn't seem to search for everything) |
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| 16:55.21 | AimHere | Probably you want <your favourite bittorrent client> and/or clients that connect to <whichever network tends to have the stuff you're looking for> |
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| 16:56.30 | mersault | is anyone here playing around with using debian squeeze as a xen domU? |
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| 16:59.36 | paranoidphreak | AimHere: i've have a fav torrent client but i want another p2p client that connects to p2p networks as kazaa, morpheous, limewire, edonkey, etc |
| 17:00.50 | AimHere | I'm not sure there are debian clients for any of those, other than the *mule clients for edonkey |
| 17:02.03 | Bop | does anyone know , when cups version started to support to autodetect network printers ? |
| 17:02.09 | jordanm | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:02.16 | jordanm | for debian by upstream.. |
| 17:02.35 | paranoidphreak | AimHere: oh..... k, then, i'll ask some other time, thanks |
| 17:02.49 | jordanm | Bop: tried grepping the upstream changelog? |
| 17:02.51 | sanzilla | debain sucks windows hacks , ms-dos rocks ! |
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| 17:03.18 | paranoidphreak | jordanm: i've tried frostwire but it froze my computer a few times and then i'm like fuck it |
| 17:03.35 | Bop | jordanm, where do i get all the changelog ? |
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| 17:04.19 | coolguy4 | anyone here use openbox ? I'm trying to set up multi-monitor support... |
| 17:04.30 | paranoidphreak | jordanm: i had to reload the partimage image i had created earlier to fix the problem |
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| 17:04.48 | jordanm | Bop: usually one comes with the source code, or posted online |
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| 17:05.09 | jordanm | Bop: depending on the project, the newest changelog usually contains data from all previous changelogs |
| 17:06.16 | jordanm | Bop: looks like 1.2 maybe |
| 17:06.51 | preller | what do i need to write on hfs+ journaled drives? |
| 17:06.54 | Bop | ok |
| 17:06.56 | paranoidphreak | jordanm: thanks anyways for the suggestion |
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| 17:07.59 | priest | Is msn broken in pidgin for the squeeze release? |
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| 17:10.34 | JPT | Hi, i've got a problem installing the ati drivers for my hd 5770. It stops compiling due to a security patch for the kernel that messed things up. Is there an ati driver out there that is confirmed to work with 2.6.32-5-amd64? |
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| 17:16.51 | peterrooney | preller: probably, hfsutils. also check also #debianppc |
| 17:17.44 | preller | gonna ask there, ty |
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| 17:35.48 | jordanm | JPT: are you running squeeze? trying to use the -dkms package? |
| 17:36.21 | JPT | i'm running testing, yes. what do you mean by -dkms? :) |
| 17:37.22 | jordanm | JPT: fglrx-modules-dkms |
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| 17:38.21 | JPT | ah..okay.. no, not yet.. |
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| 17:38.33 | JPT | i hope to get the catalyst thing to work :) |
| 17:38.35 | jordanm | JPT: what were you using? |
| 17:39.19 | Robinux | sanzilla you there buddy? |
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| 17:45.15 | tharkun | Gentlemen where do i start poking with X to fire up a dual head set up ? |
| 17:45.30 | dondelelcaro | tharkun: if you have a dual head card, just start X |
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| 17:46.00 | tharkun | dondelelcaro: well it is a laptop and i suppose it is dual head. X is running at the moment |
| 17:46.14 | dondelelcaro | tharkun: then just plug in whatever you want, and run xrandr |
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| 17:46.25 | dondelelcaro | tharkun: there are also cute little GUI programs which can help as well |
| 17:46.44 | Robinux | sanzilla? |
| 17:46.52 | tharkun | dondelelcaro: Got a name for one of those cuties ? |
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| 17:47.33 | dondelelcaro | tharkun: if you're running gnome or kde, I think they pop up by default when you run fn-f5 or f7 or whatever is right. |
| 17:48.03 | dondelelcaro | I personally don't know what they're called, because I use xrandr |
| 17:48.19 | tharkun | dondelelcaro: Still running ion3 on squeeze so i think i'll better stick with xrandr |
| 17:49.08 | tharkun | thx anyway :D |
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| 17:52.12 | fishcooker | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:52.20 | fishcooker | ?! |
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| 18:02.20 | karlpinc | What's the right way to monitor packtets and bytes per-network interface from the command line? |
| 18:02.38 | fbs | vnstat? |
| 18:03.07 | fbs | it keep a log of the data going true the if |
| 18:03.37 | karlpinc | fbs: Can I run it without the log straight to console? |
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| 18:04.13 | innociv | http://wiki.debian.org/Postfix is "mypassword" on "Create a file called sasl_passwd in /etc/postfix/sasl_passwd. Inside type in " supposed to be user password, root password, or what?.. |
| 18:04.56 | fbs | karlpinc: without a log? |
| 18:05.02 | karlpinc | fbs: Yes. |
| 18:05.05 | innociv | or wait.. |
| 18:05.11 | innociv | i think that's if you're on a box using them |
| 18:05.22 | fbs | hmm |
| 18:05.25 | JyZyXEL | was there a tool to enable apache2 mods? |
| 18:05.44 | JyZyXEL | or do you have to manually ln -s from mods-available to mods-enabled? |
| 18:05.46 | fishcooker | i want to make http-proxy authenticated to be non authenticated |
| 18:06.39 | karlpinc | fbs: tcpstat? |
| 18:06.45 | fbs | karlpinc: do you want to see the current if usage, or a log of the daily/monthly? |
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| 18:08.49 | fbs | innociv: the login to your smtp server password? |
| 18:09.08 | karlpinc | fbs: ifstat? |
| 18:09.12 | tharkun | dondelelcaro: both monitors are now running. What google term should i use to look for a way to split them appart ? I am totally lost on this isue (never done it before) |
| 18:09.25 | karlpinc | fbs: Current usage, sorta like vmstat or iostat |
| 18:09.59 | fbs | karlpinc: why dont you try a couuple? |
| 18:10.18 | fbs | http://www.ubuntugeek.com/bandwidth-monitoring-tools-for-linux.html |
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| 18:13.10 | dutchfish | karlpinc: iftop |
| 18:13.32 | fbs | there are lots of tools, try a couple |
| 18:13.57 | dutchfish | karlpinc: for long term graphs munin |
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| 18:15.40 | dondelelcaro | tharkun: xrandr --output LVD-1 --left-of DVS-1 or whatever the hell the outputs are called |
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| 18:15.51 | dondelelcaro | tharkun: xrandr; will give you the output names if you don't already know them |
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| 18:16.18 | tharkun | dondelelcaro: thx, sorry to have bothered you |
| 18:16.26 | dondelelcaro | tharkun: np |
| 18:16.37 | dondelelcaro | tharkun: the manpage of xrandr covers all of this, btw. |
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| 18:18.26 | tharkun | reads man xrandr once again |
| 18:19.17 | hell_razer | how to force anable vsync in nvidia-settings in tvinview for second monitor |
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| 18:24.09 | dondelelcaro | hell_razer: generally, with xrandr |
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| 18:26.47 | fbs | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:27.15 | tharkun | fail |
| 18:28.16 | karlpinc | fbs, dutchfish : thanks |
| 18:28.25 | fbs | your welcome |
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| 18:31.12 | NginUS | When I define eth(foo) in 010_netinterfaces.rules, the settings don't take. I can't use persistent-net-rules because virtual MACs are blacklisted. does someoone know a workaround? |
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| 18:32.51 | dutchfish | NginUS: why not replace the mac address inside 70-pnr with the ones you need? |
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| 18:34.45 | dutchfish | NginUS: that only works on virtual interfaces, not real ones |
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| 18:35.44 | dutchfish | NginUS: on kvm/xen macs can be asigned in the host to the vm's |
| 18:35.46 | NginUS | dutchfish: It says on Debian bug 562211 that virtual MACs are blacklisted and udev won't create p-n-r at all. http://bit.ly/aaVnxI |
| 18:36.12 | blip2 | tbh xen networking is a just a mess at the moment |
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| 18:37.01 | NginUS | I'm in KVM, the 3rd NIC I added wound up eth0 |
| 18:37.43 | dutchfish | NginUS: just add your wanted mac into to your start xml or commandline for that virtual nic |
| 18:37.44 | NginUS | changing macs is n/p, which eth is. |
| 18:38.26 | NginUS | I do this: KERNEL="eth*", SYSFS{address}=="aa:62:b9:e4:c3:a9", NAME="eth2" |
| 18:38.31 | NginUS | and nothing... |
| 18:39.04 | NginUS | in 010-netinterfaces.rules- per googled instructions |
| 18:39.52 | dutchfish | NginUS: the first assigned nic inside a vm will always assigned to eth0, unless you did change the mac inside 70-pnr that will work, if the mac assigned to that vm is altered on the host, simply rmeove the 70-pnr inside the vm, then it will be recreated automatically. |
| 18:40.22 | NginUS | But they aren't created automatically, the file does not exist |
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| 18:41.43 | dutchfish | NginUS: to my humble opinion you need 70-persistent-net.rules |
| 18:41.53 | NginUS | dutchfish : I agree |
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| 18:42.31 | NginUS | http://bit.ly/aaVnxI says its a feature not a bug that it doesnt get generated |
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| 18:42.37 | dutchfish | NginUS: however, it will be autocreated on boot, but only if a nic is found and its module has been loaded |
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| 18:43.59 | dutchfish | NginUS: what debian host? what debian vm? and what host kernel are you running? |
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| 18:44.37 | NginUS | dutchfish : Lenny host, 2.6.35-5, Squeeze guest |
| 18:44.56 | NginUS | guest kernel 2.6.32 |
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| 18:45.27 | dutchfish | NginUS: that explains it, dont use 2.6.35 on lenny host for kvm, instead use squeeze there because of all the changes in udev |
| 18:45.44 | kc7zzv | Anyone here know how to not run dpkg-shlibdeps when you run debuild? I'm trying to create a slightly nicer package from a really ugly tar.gz package I was given. I've tried "debuild --no-lintian -d", but it's still checking the package for libraries. |
| 18:45.46 | NginUS | ic thx |
| 18:45.51 | dutchfish | yw |
| 18:46.15 | NginUS | Although I have to use 2.3.35-5 to have SMP in my distro, this gives me some clue at least |
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| 18:47.02 | dutchfish | NginUS: and if you proc is 64 bit, use squeeze 64bit and 32/64bit vm's lenny/squeeze, that works for me without to much trouble |
| 18:47.53 | jordanm | kc7zzv: dpkg-shlibdeps is usually called by dh_shlibdeps in debian/rules |
| 18:48.03 | jordanm | kc7zzv: you might just be looking for -D though |
| 18:48.34 | kc7zzv | jordanm: I tried -D too. |
| 18:49.03 | dutchfish | NginUS: also i run succesfully all kind of ditro's under my squeeze/x86_64 host virtio included |
| 18:49.04 | jordanm | then edit debian/rules, but this means you will need to manually define depends |
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| 18:49.33 | jordanm | lintian will complain that you are using debhelper without using it I believe.. |
| 18:49.45 | kc7zzv | jordanm: Part of the problem is that I don't know how to disable "dh_shlibdeps". I've been looking for documentation on debian/rules, but didn't find much. |
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| 18:50.04 | kc7zzv | Is there a webpage or man page I should be looking at? |
| 18:50.06 | jordanm | kc7zzv: its a makefile, so documentation about make applies |
| 18:50.48 | jordanm | kc7zzv: there is also the NMG, developer reference, and policy manual for debian specifics |
| 18:50.59 | jordanm | kc7zzv: as well as debhelper manpages |
| 18:51.22 | kc7zzv | jordanm: I was more looking for an example or default control file. |
| 18:51.30 | jordanm | !tell kc7zzv about mentors |
| 18:51.40 | jordanm | kc7zzv: dh_make will generate a boilerplate control file |
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| 18:52.14 | jordanm | !tell kc7zzv about nmg |
| 18:52.22 | kc7zzv | Ah. Thanks. I've been googling for a while, but was probably using the wrong keywords. |
| 18:52.50 | jordanm | you really don't want to look far outside of debian.org |
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| 18:55.27 | geekosopher | \0/ filed my first debian bug! |
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| 19:13.15 | _anonymouse | Hello, I run testing & I am getting this error when I run aptitude update followed by aptitude ugrade - http://pastebin.com/Uj77Uh8z |
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| 19:16.49 | _anonymouse | waits patiently |
| 19:17.15 | fbs | how is your package list? |
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| 19:18.20 | SparFux | Hi all. Is 2.6.36-rc7-nouveau.git-20101007 a valid kernel version? |
| 19:19.31 | _anonymouse | fbh: http://pastebin.com/srS87XzQ |
| 19:20.13 | fbs | _anonymouse: psybnc/bnc/eggdrop/bots etc... ONLY for elite users. |
| 19:20.15 | fbs | ehh fuck |
| 19:20.22 | fbs | _anonymouse: # |
| 19:20.22 | fbs | E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 19:20.22 | fbs | # |
| 19:20.24 | fbs | E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
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| 19:20.44 | fbs | lol |
| 19:20.51 | _anonymouse | :-D |
| 19:20.57 | fbs | The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
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| 19:22.03 | _anonymouse | Here's what I already tried 'rm /var/lib/apt/lists/' followed by aptitude update |
| 19:22.20 | fbs | and the status file |
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| 19:22.47 | _anonymouse | I had deleted the status file yesterday, not making same mistake again |
| 19:23.09 | fbs | :P |
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| 19:23.44 | stew | _anonymouse: try one of the backup status files in /var/backups |
| 19:24.23 | _anonymouse | stew: Doing that now |
| 19:24.23 | stew | _anonymouse: and if they work, you might go through /var/log/dpkg.log and reinstall any recently installed packages so that their status is correct |
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| 19:25.39 | tharkun | Gentlemen, i managed to screw my X if i use gdm3 restart it should reset everything but it is not working. Any rabbits under the hat that i am unaware ? |
| 19:28.47 | fishcooker | can socks proxy shared through squid |
| 19:28.48 | fishcooker | ?! |
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| 19:29.53 | dob1 | hi, how can i know if i am connected at 10 or 100mbps to my local network? |
| 19:30.02 | _anonymouse | stew: How often does dpkg store a backup file? |
| 19:31.14 | peterrooney | _anonymouse: bacvkup of what file? |
| 19:31.34 | _anonymouse | dob1: First 'aptitude install ethtool', then 'ethtool eth0' |
| 19:32.08 | _anonymouse | peterrooney: backup of 'status' file |
| 19:32.33 | stew | _anonymouse: "ls -l /var/backups/*status*" and look at the times |
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| 19:33.10 | dob1 | _anonymouse: thanks |
| 19:34.04 | _anonymouse | Yikes! It was the copy of status when I upgraded to testing |
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| 19:34.22 | sedulous | how do I configure the passive ports for pure-ftpd on Debian? do I have to edit the init-script itself? |
| 19:34.38 | _anonymouse | No wonder aptitude is taking sooo long saying 'resolving dependencies' |
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| 19:42.37 | fishcooker | can i get the audio from remote server |
| 19:42.45 | fishcooker | if i doing ssh -X auser@abox |
| 19:42.46 | fishcooker | ?! |
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| 19:53.05 | superlinux | hi. what is the program name of which can make my computer respond to my voice commands on lenny? |
| 19:53.28 | dimir | wow |
| 19:53.32 | dimir | Nice. |
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| 20:01.41 | twopak | Hi, is this http://www.debianadmin.com/running-vhosts-with-apache2-mpm-itk-on-debian.html all I have to do? Or do I need to edit each site's config manually? |
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| 20:02.33 | __name__ | hello |
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| 20:02.54 | __name__ | Is there a way to use a root-dir different to / when using apt-get? |
| 20:03.07 | __name__ | Analogous to dpkg --root=[foobar] |
| 20:03.40 | twopak | Hm, looks like #httpd is a better place to ask this. |
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| 20:05.42 | jordanm | __name__: aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--root=foo" install foo |
| 20:06.53 | __name__ | jordanm: Thank you very much. |
| 20:07.14 | haxi | wtf, I have no /boot/grub/menu.lst ? |
| 20:07.27 | fbs | grub 2? |
| 20:07.41 | jordanm | testing/unstable uses grub2, which uses /boot/grub.cfg |
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| 20:08.06 | __name__ | jordanm: Why the :: after Options. |
| 20:08.07 | fbs | permanent edding is not done by changing grub.cfg tho |
| 20:08.42 | jordanm | __name__: its the apt.conf syntax |
| 20:08.51 | superlinux | how can I know that there is a synthesizer in my sound system? |
| 20:09.05 | __name__ | jordanm: And is it DPkg; I googled and found Dpkg |
| 20:09.26 | tech | anyone here mess with asa's cisco appliances? i have ips-ssm module. and have aquick question if anyone is familiar |
| 20:09.28 | jordanm | __name__: man apt.conf |
| 20:09.35 | tech | #cisco is sleepy right now |
| 20:09.47 | jordanm | there is also ##networking |
| 20:10.51 | __name__ | jordanm: Thanks again. |
| 20:11.09 | jordanm | anytime |
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| 20:12.23 | timw | LemensTS: had to bail the other night, did you get your tftp server working? |
| 20:12.44 | sanzilla | somebody tell me a laptop model that supports debian all it's bus drivers. |
| 20:12.52 | sanzilla | I need the answer just now. |
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| 20:13.11 | sanzilla | ------------ VERY URGENT ---------------------- |
| 20:13.42 | xoz | http://www.linux-laptop.net/ |
| 20:13.52 | obcecado | lol @ urgency |
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| 20:14.35 | sanzilla | you can't work with ppl in nice way. |
| 20:14.49 | SparFux | ??? |
| 20:14.52 | sanzilla | because they won't work.so you hav to force them. |
| 20:15.11 | SparFux | that's not true. |
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| 20:16.28 | obcecado | please read about urgency -> http://hubpages.com/hub/Business-Management-Tips-Handling-urgency-humor |
| 20:17.57 | sanzilla | buying a laptop is also a business, I can't see why they say "We are not going to do business with you" |
| 20:18.14 | peterrooney | sanzilla: who do you think you are talking to? |
| 20:18.24 | sanzilla | admin |
| 20:18.33 | sanzilla | so go ahead and ban me |
| 20:18.39 | peterrooney | no, here, in irc channel #debian |
| 20:18.59 | sanzilla | who cares, I'm a linux expert I don't need your help. |
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| 20:19.48 | peterrooney | sanzilla: asking like that says you lie about being a linux expert. |
| 20:20.05 | peterrooney | imposing your urgency upon us does nothing to make us want to solve the problem. is the question debian related? is it an interesting problem? |
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| 20:21.05 | kristian-aalborg | http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:390E |
| 20:21.14 | kristian-aalborg | hi all |
| 20:21.29 | kristian-aalborg | how'd you go about this box? |
| 20:22.17 | xand | kristian-aalborg: what about it |
| 20:22.54 | kristian-aalborg | I mean... what debian variant would you install |
| 20:22.57 | homie | why the fuck can't i mount an ordinary /dev/sda5 with lenny, which i boostrapped myself here, and another lenny, which i bootstrapped in /dev/sda1, but i can't mount /dev/sda5 which belongs to that lenny in /dev/sda1 ??? |
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| 20:23.05 | kristian-aalborg | thinking about LXDE |
| 20:23.26 | homie | is the security.debian.org repo altering things somehow ?? |
| 20:23.40 | naknomik | I'm trying to install mediatomb, but I don't see the /etc/init.d/mediatomb file (which is part of mediatomb-daemon) why? How do I get that file installed? |
| 20:23.46 | homie | cause the only difference in the sources is that line |
| 20:24.01 | naknomik | I have removed and reinstalled mediatomb-daemon for a few times no luck. |
| 20:24.30 | xand | homie: eh, you want to mount something to /dev/sda1? |
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| 20:26.29 | xoz | naknomik: dpkg -L mediatomb-daemon |
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| 20:27.03 | naknomik | xoz: that command indeed shows /etc/init.d/mediatomb as part of mediatomb-daemon, but the file is not there on the file system. |
| 20:27.21 | homie | xand: no i installed a lenny on /dev/sda1, and it's /var on /dev/sda5, when booting into /dev/sda1 /dev/sda5 is mounted automatically to /var there, but when i try to mount /dev/sda5 from here it fails...telling me /mountpoint is busy or so, yet there is nothing which does use /dev/sda5 or use /mountpoint |
| 20:27.23 | SparFux | What requirement does module-assistant have for the kernel version? |
| 20:27.35 | xoz | naknomik: try remove with purge |
| 20:27.48 | xoz | naknomik: and then install again |
| 20:28.09 | naknomik | xoz: you mean, apt-get purge mediatomb-daemon, then apt-get install mediatomb-daemon? |
| 20:28.20 | fbs | yeah |
| 20:28.29 | fbs | or |
| 20:28.36 | fbs | aptitude remove --purge media |
| 20:29.41 | naknomik | fbs: yeah that worked. thanks. |
| 20:29.54 | xoz | naknomik: yep |
| 20:30.22 | Veyka | kristian-aalborg, LXDE would work, might even want to use fluxbox, due to the very limited ram |
| 20:30.29 | NginUS | whats a ftp client that can transfer between 2 remote hosts without a temp file between? |
| 20:31.01 | kristian-aalborg | Veyka: is fluxbox a hassle to set up? |
| 20:31.24 | xoz | lazy^: kristian-aalborg |
| 20:31.33 | Veyka | kristian-aalborg, when i tried it, it was basically "plug and play" so to speak |
| 20:31.37 | kristian-aalborg | got me ;) |
| 20:32.08 | NginUS | kristian-aalborg: : fluxbox is of the easiest, it does its own menus even |
| 20:32.11 | kristian-aalborg | part lazy, but also not wanting to spend days messing up files, reinstalling and messing up again |
| 20:32.17 | kristian-aalborg | NginUS: sounds good |
| 20:32.48 | Veyka | kristian-aalborg, xfce should also run okies, though it is a bit more ram hungry than fluxbox or LXDE |
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| 20:33.16 | xoz | awesome is an awesome window manager |
| 20:33.39 | kristian-aalborg | I tried mint flush(?) box once - this is essentially the same? |
| 20:34.06 | Veyka | fluxbox and it should be |
| 20:34.22 | Veyka | Less *buntu isums of cause |
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| 20:39.11 | izua | hello, how can i enumerate the serial ports? i also need to see the hot-swappable ones from usb-converter cables, which change names rather easily |
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| 20:39.33 | xand | izua: look for /dev/ttyS* and /dev/ttyUSB* |
| 20:40.02 | izua | erm, isn't there an api call or similar? |
| 20:40.22 | xand | pass |
| 20:40.36 | izua | i want to avoid such a hack, maybe one adapter uses a custom driver which doesn't list itself under those names |
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| 20:48.17 | izua | http://www.lanana.org/docs/device-list/devices-2.6+.txt lists a lot more possible names for the serial devices |
| 20:51.54 | jelly-hme | they'll be all under /sys/class/tty, together with all the other tty-capable devices |
| 20:52.21 | kristian-aalborg | http://wiki.debian.org/Hardware |
| 20:52.29 | kristian-aalborg | http://www.linux-cert.com/linux_results.htm |
| 20:52.34 | kristian-aalborg | this link is dead |
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| 20:53.55 | strk | are 'etch' packages still available somewhere ? |
| 20:54.35 | blip2 | strk: read the topic |
| 20:54.47 | strk | ouch |
| 20:55.40 | blip2 | ouch? |
| 20:56.29 | metalfoo | Nevertheless you can still retrieve old packages, i.e. from snapshots. |
| 20:57.55 | kristian-aalborg | I have this old wireless card and I'm trying to find out if it's supported, but everything google gives me is five years old |
| 20:58.10 | kristian-aalborg | it's called DWL-610 |
| 20:59.12 | Veyka | If it worked in 2004, it should work now |
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| 20:59.40 | Veyka | I assume you looked at this page http://www.canit.se/~oli/wl/ ? |
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| 21:03.46 | amphi | kristian-aalborg: did you try inserting it and see what occurs in the log? |
| 21:04.11 | kristian-aalborg | I have no laptop to test it on, but I think I will use it eventually |
| 21:04.34 | kristian-aalborg | Veyka: do you know if it's supported by the kernel now? |
| 21:05.03 | amphi | kernel/drivers/net/wireless/rtl818x/rtl8180.ko might support it, who knows |
| 21:05.52 | kristian-aalborg | I recall seeing some grand list of "hardware supported by the kernel"? |
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| 21:07.33 | kristian-aalborg | this document is dated "06 December 2003"... I might still have believed in santa claus back then ;) |
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| 21:08.04 | Veyka | kristian-aalborg, I dont see why support would have been removed |
| 21:08.33 | kristian-aalborg | me neither - but it seems not to have worked out of the box... would like to know if it does now |
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| 21:15.55 | Raptors | Can someone please help me getting bluetooth working? |
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| 21:16.53 | krisfremen | Raptors: we can't really help if you don't state your problem |
| 21:17.01 | fbs | i can try ; |
| 21:17.07 | Raptors | lol |
| 21:17.25 | krisfremen | people that ask to ask |
| 21:17.28 | krisfremen | strange sort |
| 21:17.55 | Raptors | my dongle that was working stopped working for some reason. I did hciconfig and it showing generic #s :/ |
| 21:17.55 | Veyka | Gotta ask to ask about asking |
| 21:17.58 | dvs | krisfremen: can i ask you what you mean? |
| 21:18.06 | Raptors | BD Address: 00:00:00:00:00:00 ACL MTU: 0:0 SCO MTU: 0:0 |
| 21:18.06 | Raptors | DOWN |
| 21:18.14 | Raptors | :/ |
| 21:18.48 | fbs | are the kernel modules loaded? |
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| 21:19.03 | Raptors | err, I'm not sure. |
| 21:19.21 | Raptors | Is there a way to check? |
| 21:19.32 | fbs | lsmod |
| 21:20.23 | Raptors | Yes |
| 21:20.25 | Raptors | bluetooth 41827 4 rfcomm,hidp,l2cap,btusb |
| 21:20.43 | Raptors | rfkill 13044 3 bluetooth |
| 21:21.06 | Raptors | Is rfkill normal? |
| 21:21.34 | fbs | do you have bluetooth software installed? |
| 21:21.39 | Raptors | Yes |
| 21:21.44 | fbs | which? |
| 21:22.02 | Raptors | bluez, gnome-bluetooth and blueman |
| 21:22.16 | Raptors | blueman is saying bluez isn't running even if I turn it on though |
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| 21:22.34 | mazinger | ï· |
| 21:22.57 | Raptors | IBluez daemon is not running, blueman-manager cannot continue. |
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| 21:23.11 | Raptors | the "I' at the front isn't suppose to be there. |
| 21:23.18 | metalfoo | Do you have a Thinkpad Raptors? |
| 21:23.28 | thepro4ever | can i use rpm's on debian? |
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| 21:23.35 | Raptors | na, desktop with a usb dongle. |
| 21:23.37 | fbs | thepro4ever: alien |
| 21:23.43 | fbs | thepro4ever: iirc |
| 21:23.46 | metalfoo | Yes |
| 21:23.52 | thepro4ever | yeah its all alien to me |
| 21:23.54 | metalfoo | alien. But generally you don' twant that |
| 21:24.45 | Raptors | Any more suggestions? |
| 21:25.07 | metalfoo | Raptors: Just asking, because rfkill is the "disable wireless connections" switch, newer Thinkpads have. |
| 21:25.20 | fbs | Raptors: did a reboot etc? |
| 21:25.27 | Raptors | fbs, yes |
| 21:25.31 | fbs | it shouldn't matter tho |
| 21:25.50 | fbs | i just tried my old bluet dongle, gnome-bl+bluez |
| 21:25.53 | fbs | worked instant |
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| 21:26.14 | Raptors | fbs, thats what happened with me, but it stopped working |
| 21:26.20 | fbs | hmm |
| 21:26.21 | Raptors | now it wont even detect it properly :/ |
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| 21:26.55 | Raptors | I'm guessing that;s why its not working. The hci0 is showing a generic mac address |
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| 21:28.02 | Raptors | wtf. Its showing a real mac address now O_o |
| 21:28.14 | Raptors | its still not working though |
| 21:29.25 | fbs | whats in dmesg? |
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| 21:29.41 | fbs | does it detect a bluetooth device? |
| 21:29.55 | Raptors | no |
| 21:30.07 | Raptors | how do I check the dmesg? |
| 21:30.11 | fbs | dmesg |
| 21:30.35 | gartt | I've got my wireless card working in Debian, and have a script that brings up the card in ifconfig, gets the rigth essid through iwconfig, etc. The problem is that when the computer starts, it only wants to start the ethernet, not the wireless card |
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| 21:30.59 | adaro_ | can somebody recommend a DLNA server for linux that works with sony bravia televisions ? |
| 21:31.07 | gartt | I tried putting the script in /etc/rc.conf/rc.local, but it doesn't work, though I know that's doing it the wrong way anyway |
| 21:31.25 | gartt | Is there a how-to or something somewhere? |
| 21:31.31 | fbs | Raptors: http://dpaste.de/W0uC/ is how mine looks |
| 21:32.04 | petemc | adaro_: ps3mediaserver probably works with it |
| 21:32.09 | Raptors | fbh, how do I just check USB? |
| 21:32.15 | Raptors | fbs* |
| 21:32.37 | fbs | lsusb lists the connected usb deviced |
| 21:32.46 | adaro_ | petemc, it sounds like thats tied to the ps3 |
| 21:32.55 | petemc | adaro_: it does, but its not |
| 21:33.06 | petemc | i wouldnt have recommended it if it wasd |
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| 21:33.29 | adaro_ | petemc, ok, i'll give that a shot then, thanks |
| 21:33.36 | petemc | np |
| 21:33.38 | feld | is it even remotely possible to upgrade from sarge to lenny? |
| 21:33.43 | feld | customer is trying and is probably breaking crap |
| 21:33.52 | feld | i cant do anything; complains about glibc, libgpg0, locales |
| 21:34.17 | petemc | feld: upgrade to lenny via archive.debian.org first |
| 21:34.30 | petemc | erm |
| 21:34.40 | petemc | upgrade to etch, i mean |
| 21:34.48 | feld | ahh |
| 21:34.50 | feld | archive.debian.org |
| 21:36.11 | Raptors | fbs, its saying its broadcom |
| 21:36.35 | fbs | but whats in your dmesg? |
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| 21:38.51 | Raptors | fbs, http://pastebin.ca/1958371 |
| 21:39.27 | Deeps | is it possible to setup remote desktop sharing without gnome using vnc? i know gnome has some built in stuff, but i'm trying to keep my X session as lightweight as possible |
| 21:43.20 | adaro_ | petemc, sweet, that actually worked |
| 21:43.36 | adaro_ | the gui is butt ugly and i had to install a bunch of stuff |
| 21:43.44 | adaro_ | but its nice |
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| 21:46.55 | Raptors | fbs, http://pastebin.ca/1958376 |
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| 21:47.52 | fbs | have you tried reinstalling the software |
| 21:47.57 | fbs | including purging? |
| 21:48.34 | Raptors | fbs, yes |
| 21:48.39 | Raptors | I guess I'll try again |
| 21:48.53 | fbs | aptitude remove --purge software |
| 21:48.56 | fbs | aptitude install software |
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| 21:49.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | doesn't aptitude have 'purge'? apt-get needs --purge remove |
| 21:49.48 | fbs | hmm im used to remove --purge |
| 21:50.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | whichever way you put them :) |
| 21:50.41 | Raptors | fbs, same prob |
| 21:50.57 | Raptors | Man I feel like jumping out a window |
| 21:51.03 | fbs | Raptors: you sure the stick is working |
| 21:51.08 | fbs | tried another pc? |
| 21:51.17 | Raptors | fbs, it was working on this PC |
| 21:51.26 | fbs | yeah, but maybe it died or smth |
| 21:51.35 | Raptors | the light is still on |
| 21:51.45 | Raptors | and its still showing the mac address |
| 21:51.48 | Raptors | and MTU |
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| 21:54.01 | fbs | hmm |
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| 21:55.06 | fbs | sudo udevadm monitor |
| 21:55.27 | fbs | and then plug the dongle in |
| 21:55.59 | fbs | but that shoudl be correct tho |
| 21:56.06 | Raptors | I think rfkill is killing it. |
| 21:56.34 | Raptors | http://pastebin.ca/1958379 |
| 21:56.50 | Raptors | how do I disable rfkill? |
| 21:57.54 | petemc | adaro_: yeah i dont use the gui much, just run it and it shares everything, works for me |
| 21:58.23 | fbs | with the rfkill tool |
| 22:00.05 | Raptors | fbs, I did 'sudo rfkill unblock bluetooth' but its still blocking it |
| 22:00.18 | Raptors | UDEV [1286661567.509398] add /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:13.1/usb6/6-2/6-2.1/6-2.1:1.0/bluetooth/hci0/rfkill5 (rfkill) |
| 22:00.18 | Raptors | UDEV [1286661567.509806] change /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:13.1/usb6/6-2/6-2.1/6-2.1:1.0/bluetooth/hci0/rfkill5 (rfkill) |
| 22:01.01 | fbs | thats normal tho |
| 22:01.18 | Raptors | :/ |
| 22:01.39 | fbs | your dmesg and udev are the same as mine |
| 22:02.45 | Raptors | So there is no fix for this? |
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| 22:02.58 | fbs | there should be |
| 22:04.55 | fbs | rfkill list ? |
| 22:06.18 | Raptors | bash@debian:~/Downloads$ sudo rfkill list5: hci0: BluetoothSoft blocked: noHard blocked: no |
| 22:07.09 | fbs | hmm |
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| 22:08.21 | fbs | bluetooth 41827 9 sco,rfcomm,bnep,l2cap,btusb |
| 22:08.34 | Raptors | ... |
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| 22:08.49 | fbs | there is a difference |
| 22:09.00 | Raptors | Which is? |
| 22:09.38 | fbs | i have sco & rfcomm used by bt |
| 22:10.02 | Raptors | :/ |
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| 22:11.00 | Raptors | SCO is for audio though |
| 22:11.15 | Raptors | it shouldn't completely kill bluetooth |
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| 22:16.01 | fbs | nope |
| 22:19.30 | fbs | is blueman running? |
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| 22:22.26 | Raptors | fbs, no |
| 22:22.29 | Raptors | same prob |
| 22:22.42 | Raptors | Bluez daemon is not running, blueman-manager cannot continue. |
| 22:22.57 | gonzaloaf | hi, isn't still possible to mount /boot in a logical volume with lvm2? |
| 22:25.43 | fbs | Raptors: if you use hcitool |
| 22:25.51 | fbs | hcitool dev; hcitool scan |
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| 22:28.24 | fbs | hciconfig -a should give smth like UP RUNNING; class:0x5a0100 |
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| 22:33.11 | LinuxGuy2009 | How do I get a network manager icon on my panel after installing the CD version of lenny? |
| 22:34.56 | fbs | LinuxGuy2009: you have the gnome-network applet installed> |
| 22:35.04 | LinuxGuy2009 | Ill check. |
| 22:35.40 | LinuxGuy2009 | Whats the package name for that? gnome-network-applet or what? |
| 22:36.27 | fbs | network-manager i think |
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| 22:37.11 | Raptors | fbs, I posted hciconfig |
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| 22:37.51 | Raptors | fbs, http://pastebin.ca/1958407 |
| 22:38.36 | fbs | it shouldnt run in clas 0 |
| 22:38.54 | Raptors | fbs, is there a way to change it? |
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| 22:43.54 | Raptors | fbs, what class is yours? |
| 22:45.19 | fbs | 5a0100 |
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| 22:46.59 | Raptors | fbs, I changed it and restarted bluetooth but I still get that error |
| 22:47.21 | fbs | what is the error exactly |
| 22:47.33 | Raptors | Bluez daemon is not running, blueman-manager cannot continue. |
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| 22:48.17 | fbs | what if you try hcitool scan |
| 22:48.42 | j-v-e | hey debian, irc through xmpp ! that rocks ! |
| 22:48.52 | Raptors | it scans but it doesn't find anything :/ |
| 22:48.55 | j-v-e | /whois j-v-e |
| 22:49.22 | fbs | do you have bt devices running |
| 22:49.29 | fbs | lke your phone |
| 22:49.31 | Raptors | ya |
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| 22:51.38 | kurtis | Hey guys, I had a base Debain installation going with no xserver installed. I Just installed it but when I attempt to run startx, I get the "Fatal server error: no screens found" message. Any suggestions? |
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| 22:52.53 | fbs | you install xserver-xorg-core? |
| 22:54.04 | kurtis | fbs: Yeah, it was installed as a dependency. I'm reading an article on the x.org wiki at the moment about this, I'll see if I can figure it out real quick |
| 22:55.03 | Raptors | fbs actually it did find it |
| 22:55.09 | Raptors | it wasn't in pair mode |
| 22:55.23 | j-v-e | not sure if that still exist but what about xorgconfig ? |
| 22:55.27 | Raptors | So it is working... |
| 22:55.39 | Raptors | Stupid blueman isn't seeing it though |
| 22:55.42 | kurtis | j-v-e: I saw that mentioned online but I couldn't find it myself. |
| 22:55.58 | fbs | Raptors: hciconfig -a said something like that |
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| 22:56.08 | j-v-e | I must confess I didn't install an xorg in a looong time |
| 22:56.18 | Raptors | fbs what? |
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| 22:58.11 | fbs | kurtis: i always do a debian base and then xorg etc |
| 22:58.27 | fbs | installing xserver-xorg-core and xserver-xorg should be enough |
| 22:58.44 | Ring0` | Hi, I have RPS II @ OVH, with Debian. Any ideas why when I tries to wget a big file, it uses ~1MB/s and in that time ssh freezes and people which are on server gets timeout? |
| 22:58.56 | fbs | Raptors: what did you do to get it in pair mode/? |
| 22:58.57 | Ring0` | Actually server has up to 100Mb but it's not less than 80 |
| 22:59.03 | kurtis | fbs: Yeah, it may have something to do with this box ... it's an old ibook g3 w/ an embedded Radeon mobility chipset. |
| 22:59.30 | Raptors | bash@debian:~/Downloads$ sudo hcitool scan| Scanning ...|00:22:A9:29:B7:C3Hussain |
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| 22:59.38 | Raptors | | = space |
| 22:59.42 | kurtis | fbs: Well I think I figured it out ... I Just had to change my driver to radeon instead of ati :) |
| 22:59.50 | fbs | :) |
| 23:00.05 | fbs | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:00.21 | Raptors | fbs, it wasn't in pair mode at first |
| 23:00.25 | Raptors | but its still not fixed |
| 23:00.38 | Raptors | blueman and gnome-bluetooth are both saying its not active |
| 23:00.45 | fbs | hcitools finds a device |
| 23:00.58 | Raptors | ^ |
| 23:02.05 | kurtis | Any suggestion on how to change the backlight settings in debian? Or is that hardware-dependent? |
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| 23:03.05 | fbs | Raptors: it looks like its possible to transfer with hcitool |
| 23:04.51 | sanzilla | hay you ash-hole -tell me a laptop that suppport linux all the drives. |
| 23:04.56 | sanzilla | *drivers |
| 23:05.04 | kurtis | ? |
| 23:05.20 | sanzilla | give me a laptop model now! |
| 23:05.24 | sanzilla | it's urgent |
| 23:05.25 | kurtis | There are some companies online that sale linux laptops |
| 23:05.35 | fbs | hp pavilion dv6-smth |
| 23:05.49 | sanzilla | ASUS one ? |
| 23:05.52 | Deeps | wow, i should try that approach when asking for help |
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| 23:06.05 | fbs | asus k42 |
| 23:06.06 | bzed | !ops somebody please tell sanzilla that this is not the proper way to ask |
| 23:06.07 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: bzed complains about: somebody please tell sanzilla that this is not the proper way to ask |
| 23:06.12 | Deeps | hay you ass-hole -tell me how i can use vnc to provide remote desktop sharing without needing gnome? |
| 23:06.24 | Deeps | seemed to work well for him, 2 responses within a minute! |
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| 23:06.34 | Deeps | :> |
| 23:06.36 | kurtis | Deeps: haha my response was more of a "google it yourself" answer |
| 23:07.11 | fbs | nah sanzilla was complaining earlier tonight |
| 23:07.13 | kurtis | Deeps: Check out media playing with the linux framebuffer ... there may be something out there |
| 23:08.03 | kurtis | Deeps: oh wait, sorry I misread your question. Why do you need gnome as it is? |
| 23:08.09 | bzed | Deeps: you need to explain a bit more what you want to share (an existing X session, or something new) and so on |
| 23:08.36 | kurtis | Deeps: you should be able to just run tightvnc-server or something similar |
| 23:08.36 | Deeps | bzed: trying to have the existing X session that's displayed on the local console be available to a remote vnc client - ie, use a remote keyboard + mouse via vnc to control the console |
| 23:08.57 | bzed | Deeps: look into x11vnc |
| 23:09.02 | Deeps | bzed: cheers |
| 23:09.44 | Deeps | bzed: exactly what i was looking for, cheers! |
| 23:09.50 | bzed | Deeps: you're welcome |
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| 23:12.47 | kurtis | Is there a better alternative to top? I'm using a terminal under X so if it's graphical, that's fine with me |
| 23:12.59 | petemc | htop |
| 23:13.15 | petemc | terminal as well, but with colours |
| 23:13.20 | kurtis | petemc: Thanks! |
| 23:13.26 | petemc | np |
| 23:14.27 | kurtis | Does this sound like a fairly optimized setup? I'm running xorg w/ openbox and I'm using 84MB RAM and 0.7% CPU ... Or does that sound like it's still running a little heavy? |
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| 23:15.17 | neoice | kurtis: its kind of hard to tell without knowing your specs. I use awesome2 on a P4 laptop and run waaay heavier than that |
| 23:15.51 | kurtis | neoice: Hmm. Well it's just an ibook g3 (700mhz) w/ an ATI Chipset pushing 1024x768 resolution |
| 23:16.16 | neoice | I think thats about as lightweight as you can get |
| 23:16.35 | neoice | on older CPUs, Xorg by itself produces a measurable load |
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| 23:17.10 | kurtis | Yeah, I assumed x is my biggest beast running. Thanks for the input |
| 23:18.07 | Deeps | bzed: so simple. thank you very much :) |
| 23:18.40 | Ring0` | Hey. wget freezes machine when downloading with 10Mbps rate where machine can handle up to 91Mb. wtf? |
| 23:18.44 | Ring0` | :x |
| 23:19.11 | kurtis | neoice: I forgot I had apache and mysql installed ... I removed those and it brought it down to 64MB of mem at idle. I can handle that :) |
| 23:19.41 | neoice | kurtis: you know, even obscure laptop RAM is dirt cheap now |
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| 23:20.16 | neoice | Ring0`: define "freeze". are you connected to it remotely? |
| 23:20.18 | kurtis | neoice: Yeah ... it's actually maxed out at 640MB RAM total but I'm going to use this machine for my little boy to watch his movies on so I wanted to keep it minimal |
| 23:20.36 | neoice | ah, yeah, the upper limit can be an issue |
| 23:20.48 | Ring0` | neoice: yes, my ssh connection freezes and people which are on voice server are getting timeouted |
| 23:21.24 | neoice | and you have just a burstable 100Mbit coming in, so about 90Mbit total usable? |
| 23:21.35 | neoice | and are you _setting_ wget to use 10Mbit or is it just using 10Mbit? |
| 23:22.04 | preller | what's wrong with this fstab entry? /dev/sdb2 /mnt/usbdisk hfsplus defaults, noatime 0 0 |
| 23:22.06 | neoice | on a nice internet connection, processes can sometimes fill the entire pipe and cause problems for other users/processes |
| 23:22.36 | kurtis | I want to write a custom user interface around a media playing library. Any suggestions on a library or a better channel to ask this in? |
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| 23:23.03 | preller | mount /dev/sdb2 /mnt/usbdisk after the system has booted works |
| 23:23.12 | sanzilla | -------------------------HELP ME OR DIE-------------- |
| 23:23.20 | gartt | I've added: auto ra0 iface ra0 inet dhcp and wireless-essid Belkin.3131 to my /etc/network/interfaces, but it doesn't get my wireless ra0 card running on startup. Anyone know what I'm doing wrong? |
| 23:23.24 | simonrvn | /ig sanzilla |
| 23:23.26 | kurtis | sanzilla: Why? |
| 23:23.31 | gartt | There's no encryption |
| 23:23.48 | sanzilla | fcryption shitt |
| 23:24.27 | gartt | I've checked the Debian wiki, and can't figure out what I'm missing or doing incorrectly |
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| 23:24.40 | sanzilla | man need that serious help on Asus K42 man |
| 23:25.07 | kurtis | sanzilla: What do you want to know? |
| 23:25.10 | sanzilla | I'm going to buy that shitt man , after I buy that shitt I can't return that shitt man |
| 23:25.21 | sanzilla | K42 linux support drivers.. |
| 23:25.26 | Ring0` | neoice: It's 100Mbit symetrical connection (@ ovh by the way). But when someone ddosed my machine, he used max 91Mb. At the moment traffic is 3Mb down and 6Mb up. So still ~80Mb should be left. |
| 23:25.49 | kurtis | sanzilla: Read the laptop's specs and google the devices you're worried about for compatibility |
| 23:25.49 | Ring0` | I'm downloading 512Mb file with only 10Mb (1MB) / s and results are as I presented |
| 23:26.23 | kurtis | sanzilla: ATI and Nvidia cards will both work with their proprietary drivers. pretty much every audio system will work. the wifi may need some extra work but you can usually wrap windows drivers |
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| 23:30.46 | Ring0` | neoice: and I'm not setting it to use 10Mb, it just uses 10Mb (which is not enough of course, it should use much more) |
| 23:31.08 | Ring0` | LAst time I downloaded such big file was months ago and it worked properly |
| 23:31.13 | sanzilla | Oky I will going to buy the K42 but if this fscked me I will fsck until end of the universe. |
| 23:31.50 | sanzilla | going to buy K42 |
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| 23:33.39 | kurtis | cool good luck dude |
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| 23:34.51 | preller | what's wrong with this fstab entry? /dev/sdb2 /mnt/usbdisk hfsplus defaults, noatime 0 0 |
| 23:34.56 | chomwitt | hi. in my debian squeeze, mencoder says:Cannot find codec 'mpeg4' in libavcodec... |
| 23:34.58 | preller | mount /dev/sdb2 /mnt/usbdisk after the system has booted works. |
| 23:35.28 | fbs | preller try mount -a |
| 23:35.34 | fbs | or check your fstab for erros |
| 23:35.58 | preller | mount -a? |
| 23:36.02 | preller | in my fstab? |
| 23:36.08 | fbs | no in your cli |
| 23:36.15 | preller | but manual mounting works |
| 23:36.25 | preller | with mount |
| 23:36.35 | fbs | yeah |
| 23:36.55 | fbs | if theres a error in the fstab rule it should print some sort of error |
| 23:37.10 | preller | during boot or into a log file? |
| 23:37.12 | preller | the problem is |
| 23:37.19 | preller | it's a headless box |
| 23:37.41 | fbs | so, umount the usbdisk and do mount -a |
| 23:37.48 | fbs | it should print a error |
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| 23:37.56 | fbs | else in dmesg or syslog |
| 23:37.56 | Smirnov | is there any way to automate the answers to dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 23:38.56 | fbs | -y for all yes |
| 23:39.12 | preller | yeah it says [mntent]: line 7 in /etc/fstab is bad |
| 23:39.50 | kurtis | preller: Can you paste your fstab and the error on to a pastebin? |
| 23:39.59 | preller | yup |
| 23:40.35 | fbs | try removing the space between defaults and noatime |
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| 23:41.29 | kurtis | yeah, I agree with fbs |
| 23:41.44 | preller | http://pastebin.org/82960 |
| 23:41.51 | preller | fbs: gonna try that |
| 23:42.02 | fbs | iirc it reads the space as a new command |
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| 23:42.12 | kurtis | preller: That looks like the problem on both lines |
| 23:42.27 | preller | oh yeah lol, sooo obvious actually... |
| 23:42.36 | preller | ._. |
| 23:42.41 | fbs | you still need mount -a now ;) |
| 23:43.15 | preller | as an option? i don't get it |
| 23:44.30 | fbs | mount == a command |
| 23:44.45 | preller | ah, now i got it |
| 23:44.45 | fbs | it automounts everything from fstab that isnt mounted |
| 23:45.11 | preller | thx guys, it works :D |
| 23:45.42 | fbs | yw |
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| 23:55.35 | orbitalcommand | im connecting with "sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid {"essid"} enc {enc}" and it doesnt give me any errors but i cant load web browser and connect. any ideas on how to resovle this issue? |
| 23:55.55 | botmind | Hi. I have purchased a computer with Intel inegrated Video card + Inno3D GF 400 AGP, I have installed Debian Etch from a CD having enabled the AGP card. |
| 23:56.52 | hamid_rostami | orbitalcommand: route add default gw <gateway-ip> |
| 23:57.43 | botmind | But after the successful install and during the boot, I am always getting kernel panic message! Only if I switch in bios video to the Integrated VGA it allows to boot, up to KDE, but kde won't start because in xorg.conf there are all settings for Integrated card but PCI bus is set for AGP! |
| 23:58.48 | orbitalcommand | hamid_rostami: route is a gnu command? |
| 23:58.55 | fbs | botmind: why etch? |
| 23:59.04 | botmind | so only after I've edited the correct PCI bus I am able to start KDE with integrated video card..... any suggestions how can I enable the AGP one?? and this integrated somehow gives only 60ghz on any resolution.. |
| 23:59.10 | hamid_rostami | orbitalcommand: yes, you must it with sudo |
| 23:59.16 | hamid_rostami | *use |
| 23:59.24 | orbitalcommand | thx |
