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| 00:06.31 | webguy024 | i downloaded debian live and when I try to run it on my laptop it freezes at Loading /live/vmlinuz. - someone earlier suggested I checksum the download but I can't figure out how to do that on windows. Can someone help me out? |
| 00:06.47 | dev001 | i'm looking for the amd64-equivalent (in .../installer-amd64/... ) of "http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/xen/{vmlinuz,initrd.gz}". i've checked a bunch of mirrors -- seems missing everywhere. |
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| 00:06.58 | dev001 | where can I find that kernel/initrd? |
| 00:07.51 | LinuxGuy2009 | Im trying to hook this 40" HDTV up as a second monitor but debian doesnt seem to see it. This dell mini has a external monitor toggle button on F2 but it doesnt seem to work. Is there a way to do this? |
| 00:08.24 | icebrain | judd: versions wine |
| 00:08.26 | judd | Package wine on i386 -- etch: 0.9.25-2.1; etch-backports: 1.0.0-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.0.1-1; sid: 1.0.1-3+b1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3+b1; experimental: 1.1.24-2 |
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| 00:08.47 | doublehp | which package contains xlib ? |
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| 00:15.40 | icebrain | doublehp: libx11, I think |
| 00:15.44 | sparrW | I'm shopping for a nettop with hardware supported by linux. Any suggestions? |
| 00:15.56 | icebrain | doublehp: "This package provides a client interface to the X Window System, otherwise known as 'Xlib'. It provides a complete API for the basic functions of the window system. " |
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| 00:16.10 | doublehp | thanks |
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| 00:20.58 | quitte | sparrW: the eee thingie? |
| 00:21.04 | dyek | blip2: UNetbootin indeed works well, after figuring out what to do with the missing kernel problem. Simply downloading hd-media/vmlinuz into the Thumbdrive root directory easily solved the problem. This is indeed working well. Thanks. |
| 00:21.06 | sparrW | yes, something like that |
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| 00:22.16 | quitte | except? |
| 00:23.40 | sparrW | except I'm not sure of how much hardware support there is for a particular revision of that box, nor if there's a better value to be had in another option |
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| 00:24.28 | quitte | usually when it comes with linux preinstalled you are on the safe side |
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| 00:25.11 | quitte | in the nettop case afaict most of the value is in design and the noise it makes. |
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| 00:25.47 | abrotman | battery life? |
| 00:26.11 | quitte | abrotman: nettop is basically a thinclient. |
| 00:26.12 | icebrain | abrotman: why would you run a nettop on battery? |
| 00:26.26 | abrotman | misread .. ignore me! |
| 00:26.57 | dyek | I now have a question regarding the Debian-Installer Partition Disks step. I have a LVM Logical Volume prepared for Debian Lenny. I am at the step where I read: The partition tables of the following devices are changed: LVM VG VG_Name, LV debian_lenny. The following partitions are going to be formatted: LVM VG VG_Name, LV debian_lenny as ext4. My question is: does the wording "partitions ... going to be formatted" sounds right to install on |
| 00:26.57 | dyek | to an existing LVM Logical Volume? I don't want my actual msdos partition (used as LVM Physical Extent) being formatted accidentally. |
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| 01:06.10 | twisted` | yo, can I use btrfs on debian without compiling my own kernel? |
| 01:07.40 | homie | udev from squeeze totally fucked up again |
| 01:07.45 | homie | it won't install... |
| 01:07.51 | homie | now it's all broken... |
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| 01:07.58 | twisted` | hmm what went wrong |
| 01:08.04 | dyek | I wonder if Debian-Installer is treating my LVM Logical Volume as a physical device and creating a partition table in the Logical Volume. It kept mentioning partition #1 of the device... Debian-Installer is making me nervous. |
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| 01:09.19 | kurtis | Hey guys, I just tried running some code on a school server just to see what would happen. This program uses Java Swing so it's a GUI app. It tried to connect to my XServer here at home. I didn't realize that would be happen but is it possible to allow it to connect and display that window on my home computer? |
| 01:10.10 | kurtis | I imagine I'd have to use something besides a VNC server but I really don't have much experience there |
| 01:10.11 | abrotman | !sshx |
| 01:10.11 | dpkg | You can run X11 apps securely over an ssh connection without <xhost> nor X TCP support. Enable X11Forwarding _on the remote server_ (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (lenny, squeeze) or xbase-clients (etch) on both the client and the server. Then "ssh -X" from the client and run X apps on the remote machine. See also <root x> and <cygwin sshx>. |
| 01:10.33 | kurtis | abrotman: Cool, I'll give that a shot. Thanks |
| 01:12.42 | kurtis | Oh man that's awesome stuff! I wonder if it's against the school's policies for me to do this? |
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| 01:14.20 | Kerrick | Is debtorrent less secure in any way than using direct downloads? |
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| 01:15.35 | twisted` | someone here with XFS and very large diskspace (16TB)? or well experience :) I need to know if I want a high agcount or not |
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| 01:28.39 | orzo | what do you think of permanent debian testing users? |
| 01:28.57 | abrotman | that's your choice .. it might break on you though |
| 01:29.42 | orzo | well if itdoes break, is it okay to get help in #here, or will people just preach to me about sticking with stable with backports |
| 01:30.09 | Dewi | orzo: you'll get some preaching, but nobody's gonna chase you away |
| 01:31.03 | Dewi | like now for example. Why not try backporting newer stuff you need? :P |
| 01:31.26 | orzo | i don't need anything |
| 01:32.50 | orzo | i've used debian for a long time |
| 01:32.53 | Dewi | you are likely to do okay with testing; I used to do that and the main issue was upgrades would invalidate a config file occasionally and I'd have to transplant any customizations to the new one |
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| 01:32.59 | orzo | before backports was official |
| 01:33.33 | kurtis | Hey guys, I'm trying to move my current mount information into fstab so my other hard drives are mounted on startup instead of manually, using gnome. Can someone look at my current info and help me transfer it? (http://pastebin.org/123601) |
| 01:33.33 | orzo | i've seen it break before |
| 01:34.09 | orzo | i remember back then people were all nice helping me out when i was clueless |
| 01:34.24 | orzo | now i'm a lot more clueful and yet people are typically a lot less nice :P |
| 01:34.49 | Dewi | orzo: pfft, we were never nice :P |
| 01:36.19 | kurtis | I'm not sure if I need all of these options and the type "fuseblk" isn't familiar to me at all |
| 01:37.12 | Dewi | kurtis: yeah, you won't want to use fuse for fstab mounts |
| 01:38.27 | Dewi | kurtis: are those ones ntfs? |
| 01:38.35 | kurtis | Yeah |
| 01:41.31 | kurtis | Do I just use the "ntfs-3g" file system type and then "defaults 0 0" for the options? |
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| 01:42.21 | Dewi | kurtis: yep. Assuming that's read-write these days... I think so? |
| 01:43.07 | kurtis | Dewi: Yeah, they work just as well as any native filesystem as far as I can tell. I would go with a different FS-Type, but these drives are pretty full and I don't have the space to re-do them |
| 01:43.21 | Dewi | kurtis: the important thing is, you can test this stuff. If you add an entry to fstab, dismount that drive and then do 'sudo mount -a' and it should mount using the fstab entry immediately |
| 01:43.46 | kurtis | Dewi: good idea. I'll give it a shot. Thank you |
| 01:45.23 | orzo | ntfs-3g is read/write |
| 01:47.18 | Dewi | yeah just plain old '-t ntfs' is read-write nowadays, iirc |
| 01:47.36 | kurtis | dewi: Cool, it's working great. Thanks for the help |
| 01:48.00 | Dewi | I dunno the difference between the various drivers at this point |
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| 01:48.21 | kurtis | Is it bad to have a USB hard drive mounted by fstab as ntfs-3g? I never remove it but I don't want it to burn it out by running it excessively |
| 01:48.45 | Dewi | kurtis: the main problem is that your system will abort boot if it's not present |
| 01:49.18 | kurtis | Dewi: hmm. Is there a way to fix that if that happens? (Besides just plugging it in) |
| 01:49.50 | kurtis | mount |
| 01:49.51 | Dewi | kurtis: I am not 100% sure, but I think setting field 6 to 0 (which stops boot-time fsck) fixes that |
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| 01:50.10 | kurtis | ahh okay, well it's set that way so hopefully it works :) |
| 01:50.25 | somiaj | most usb drives cool down if they aren't being read -- thus they really shouldn't burn out |
| 01:50.39 | somiaj | but if its part of a file system that is read a lot, that is difference |
| 01:50.51 | Dewi | kurtis: if it happens and you have console access, you can just log in as root and edit the fstab to comment it out |
| 01:50.58 | Dewi | kurtis: and then reboot |
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| 01:51.21 | kurtis | Yeah, I wasn't sure if the NTFS drivers might just constantly use the hard drive for some purposes such as journaling, indexing, whatever... I'm not really knowledged on the NTFS in general |
| 01:51.29 | somiaj | Dewi: ntfs-3g won't have fsck run on them |
| 01:51.30 | kurtis | Dewi: oh okay. That's easy enough |
| 01:52.11 | Dewi | somiaj / kurtis : I have found the crap fans on most of those USB things do fail if you run them continuously, but if you watch the heat it should be okay |
| 01:52.16 | Dewi | somiaj: good point |
| 01:52.58 | somiaj | kurtis: yea I can't answer anything about the ntfs-3g, but my guess (for what its worth) is the driver won't do any addiontal reading/writing/indexing unless the os requests to read/write a file to the device. |
| 01:53.29 | kurtis | awesome. Just out of curiosity, are there any decent hardware monitor apps that will let me watch disk usage? |
| 01:53.37 | somiaj | but if you see that its constantally spun up or you don't hear it spin up when you access it then you know your answer. |
| 01:53.46 | Dewi | kurtis: nah journalling just happens alongside writes. And I'm not sure if linux uses it (it didn't for a long time) |
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| 02:01.16 | fugdnscerd | wondering if someone can point me in the right direction... I upgraded my etch install to lenny and now a package that does not exist in lenny and requires packages no longer available will not remove without fail... trying to remove myphpmoney and everytime i try it forces reload of apache2 and waits indefinitely |
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| 02:13.17 | fugdnscerd | is there anyway to remove a package that fails to be removed with apt-get install -f |
| 02:13.28 | abrotman | fugdnscerd: put the erro rin a pastebin please |
| 02:13.28 | fugdnscerd | *apt-get -f install |
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| 02:15.17 | wald0 | can anybody point me to a good document to read about "packaging libraries" ? |
| 02:15.31 | fugdnscerd | not really an error just waits indefinitely but heres the output http://www.pastebin.ca/1959015 |
| 02:16.33 | abrotman | fugdnscerd: you mean apache doesn't restart ? |
| 02:17.00 | fugdnscerd | during the removal of the package no... but by using /etc/init.d/apache2 restart it works just fine |
| 02:17.02 | Dewi | fugdnscerd: make sure apache is working |
| 02:17.17 | Dewi | oh |
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| 02:17.34 | fugdnscerd | is there a switch to get more verbose output |
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| 02:17.55 | fugdnscerd | maybe its something hangin after apache restarts |
| 02:18.00 | Demosthenes | every time i plugin a second keyboard on squeeze in X windows, i lose all my xmodmap settings... |
| 02:20.18 | abrotman | fugdnscerd: how long did you wait? |
| 02:20.27 | fugdnscerd | about an hour |
| 02:22.40 | fugdnscerd | heres output after pressing ctrl-c to end it http://pastebin.ca/1959020 |
| 02:30.47 | abrotman | fugdnscerd: do you need that myphpmoney package ? |
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| 02:31.26 | fugdnscerd | nope |
| 02:31.32 | abrotman | so remove it? |
| 02:31.39 | abrotman | fugdnscerd: dpkg -r myphpmoney |
| 02:31.40 | fugdnscerd | thats what im trying to do |
| 02:31.56 | abrotman | and the error on that is ?> |
| 02:32.18 | kurtis | Hey guys, is there a "proper" way of using the latest packages? For example, I need newer versions of the Kernel and Wine to get SC2 running. I'm currently using Squeeze |
| 02:32.33 | fugdnscerd | exactly the same as with apt-get remove --purge myphpmoney... just seems to hang after apache reload |
| 02:32.42 | abrotman | that's not what i said |
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| 02:33.00 | fugdnscerd | ?? |
| 02:33.16 | abrotman | fugdnscerd: edit the /var/lib/dpkg/info/myphpmoney.prerm .. put a 'set -x' after the shebang |
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| 02:34.28 | fugdnscerd | should i put that in place of the 'set -e' |
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| 02:37.42 | fugdnscerd | ok that shows a little more... http://pastebin.ca/1959030 |
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| 02:40.37 | abrotman | you could just put an 'exit 0' at the top .. and skip the whole file :) |
| 02:41.12 | fugdnscerd | will that cause any problems with anything else? |
| 02:41.55 | abrotman | probably not |
| 02:42.06 | fugdnscerd | good enough for me |
| 02:44.13 | fugdnscerd | nice!!! worked like a charm... looking at the prerm script it didnt look like there was anything else the script was supposed to do! wierd!!! |
| 02:44.43 | abrotman | you might want to try to restart apache manually and see if it still happens |
| 02:45.04 | fugdnscerd | yep |
| 02:45.39 | fugdnscerd | by the looks of the output with 'set -x' looked like it was an exit 0 after that step so i dont think it was a problem with apache at all |
| 02:45.48 | abrotman | ok |
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| 02:46.01 | fugdnscerd | but anyways thank alot |
| 02:46.12 | abrotman | enjo |
| 02:46.13 | abrotman | y |
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| 03:19.10 | Gm4n | how can I do something like: watch ps x | grep myproc? It does (watch ps x) | grep myproc, instead of watch (ps x | grep myproc). |
| 03:20.40 | Gm4n | actually, fixed my own issue by reading the man page again. watch 'ps x | grep myproc' |
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| 03:36.24 | CoolCold | hi guys |
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| 03:37.23 | CoolCold | what are u using to manage firewall on you servers? ie, centos has /etc/init.d/iptables which starts & stop firewall, while it should be edited separately |
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| 03:41.09 | LV-426 | CoolCold, have a look at http://www.shorewall.net |
| 03:52.47 | CoolCold | LV-426: thanks, interesting, may be even usable |
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| 03:58.38 | CoolCold | right now i need something simple, took a look on mason...too overcomplicated and had some "ifconfig" commands inside scripts, which is depricated.. |
| 03:58.53 | tharkun | Good evening gentlemen, i am looking for a well behaved bittorrent client that works on ncurses and has a small memroy foot print. Any suggestions ? |
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| 04:02.24 | tharkun | CoolCold: apt-cache search firewall |
| 04:05.11 | jordanm | tharkun: aptitude search '~dbittorrent~dncurses' |
| 04:05.38 | tharkun | Also this bittorrent client should have some throtling capabilities as well as the ability to cut all downloads and uploads when a certain amount of data has been reached |
| 04:05.49 | jordanm | CoolCold: check out the iptables wiki. the typical is pre-up rules to run a script in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:05.53 | jordanm | !tell CoolCold about iptables |
| 04:06.14 | jordanm | its not as elegant as the centos/rhel methods |
| 04:06.29 | tharkun | jordanm: thx i allready have done that but i need something more specific |
| 04:07.19 | jordanm | that result doesn't give a lot to choose from. transmission has a -cli package |
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| 04:07.52 | the_file | whats the next debian?. |
| 04:07.57 | the_file | wheezy right?. |
| 04:08.06 | jordanm | squeeze |
| 04:08.16 | jordanm | then wheezy |
| 04:08.17 | the_file | is that 5.1 or something?. |
| 04:08.24 | jordanm | 6.0 |
| 04:08.26 | the_file | is squeeze 5.1?. |
| 04:08.47 | tharkun | jordanm: actually i did aptitude search ~dbittorrent and it did give a lot of hits :D |
| 04:08.51 | jordanm | !tell the_file about squeeze |
| 04:09.22 | the_file | jordanm: thanks |
| 04:09.30 | the_file | do you know when wheezy will be in production?. |
| 04:09.38 | jordanm | after squeeze is released |
| 04:10.11 | the_file | soon after?. |
| 04:10.15 | the_file | or like 2 years later?. |
| 04:10.28 | jordanm | more or less immediatly |
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| 04:11.34 | the_file | jordanm: so wheezy is 7?. |
| 04:11.43 | the_file | because you said that squeeze is 6 |
| 04:11.52 | jordanm | i would assume, yes' |
| 04:11.56 | the_file | !tell the_file about wheezy |
| 04:12.13 | tharkun | !tell the_file about selftell |
| 04:12.15 | the_file | heh |
| 04:12.38 | the_file | thanks |
| 04:12.57 | the_file | why ow why is ubuntus software center so small compared to debians gui software center?. |
| 04:13.07 | the_file | it makes little sence why it would be |
| 04:13.23 | tharkun | jordanm: Do you happen to know where can i find the statistics on cd downloads for debian ? |
| 04:13.26 | jordanm | in terms of the ammount of packages? |
| 04:14.39 | jordanm | tharkun: no |
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| 04:15.10 | tharkun | jordanm: thx sorro to bother. Have a nice night. BTW Congrats |
| 04:15.50 | jordanm | tharkun: np. thanks, leaving tomarrow morning :) |
| 04:17.07 | tharkun | Enjoy the trip and take things as they come. You will not arrive any sooner if you wake up too early :) |
| 04:17.17 | Rusty1 | tharkun http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-command-line-bittorrent-client.html perhaps something useful |
| 04:17.46 | tharkun | Rusty1: thx I'll take a look at it |
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| 04:21.24 | Rusty1 | tharkun http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/rtorrent as well, see the man page re:throttling |
| 04:22.42 | the_file | wonder why gnome is choosen as default over kde by debian |
| 04:22.44 | the_file | kde is older..... |
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| 04:23.23 | Kerrick | Is debtorrent less secure in any way than using direct downloads? |
| 04:23.24 | the_file | and it looks better |
| 04:23.41 | CoolCold | jordanm: yeah, i've setted up iptables start with pre-up in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/iptables , but it looks ugly |
| 04:24.23 | CoolCold | and which is moreover, it can't be easy stopped like /etc/init.d/iptables stop (which may be desirable) |
| 04:24.52 | tharkun | CoolCold: You can write your own script if you wish :) |
| 04:25.24 | jordanm | CoolCold: "iptables -F" |
| 04:25.35 | CoolCold | i've did my script of course ;) |
| 04:25.57 | CoolCold | but wondering may be something such simple exists |
| 04:26.12 | tharkun | jordanm: Do not forget before doing that setting the policy to Accept or else you are locked out |
| 04:26.51 | CoolCold | there is almost no problem in creating own packages with those scripts & adding it into repo, but if smth standart exists, i'd like to know |
| 04:26.57 | jordanm | right |
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| 04:28.29 | jordanm | CoolCold: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=434107 |
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| 04:33.13 | CoolCold | so, as i've thought there are only complex ones like mason or shorewall are accepted |
| 04:34.05 | sweetpi | the_file: likely goes back to the old qt patent issues. I happen to like the plain look of gtk. I guess "looks better" is a matter of opinion, If it wasnt for about 3 programs I wouldnt even have X running, so feel free to ignore my opinion |
| 04:34.22 | tharkun | CoolCold: i just also finished reading the thread. I think that if you make a diferent package and you submit it it will get accepted, but never as a part of iptables itself |
| 04:35.38 | tharkun | although the script on that thread is nice |
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| 04:39.28 | LV-426 | CoolCold, shorewall's single interface setup consists of 4 files, wouldn't call it complex - http://shorewall.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=shorewall/shorewall;a=tree;f=Samples/one-interface;h=45375a419a982db099e6137dca39b9fc1a080b12;hb=HEAD |
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| 04:42.54 | CoolCold | LV-426: well, noone said i've one intereface on servers, but this isn't the matter, by complex i mean "needs some time to study & have habits" - it needs digging into shorewall definitions like FW, LOC, DMZ and such. I don't wanna say it is bad, it just not simple ;) |
| 04:43.48 | the_file | when will the kde 4 package be working |
| 04:44.56 | sweetpi | 4.4.5 is in squeeze |
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| 04:46.16 | CoolCold | and returning to that script - saving rules on "stop" doesn't look wise for _me_ |
| 04:47.16 | the_file | then squeeze is in development |
| 04:48.58 | CoolCold | anyway, LV-426 , jordanm , thanks for your time |
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| 04:49.16 | LV-426 | CoolCold, even in the simplest context of a single user i can't see how maintaining a set of 'in-house' scripts is preferable over any community effort, whatever your final choice is. |
| 04:49.31 | LV-426 | good luck ;] |
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| 05:19.37 | SaRy | Alright , here is the thing .. |
| 05:20.13 | SaRy | Just installed debian squeeze |
| 05:20.39 | SaRy | Everything went fine |
| 05:21.41 | SaRy | After reboot there is no GUI .. |
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| 05:22.14 | SaRy | What am I missing ! |
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| 05:27.56 | sweetpi | apparently patience |
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| 05:33.06 | simonrvn | patience and xorg... |
| 05:33.22 | simonrvn | rolls his eyes |
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| 05:48.51 | vliam | i am newbie, could you please provide me a command to automatically change/rename the filename with its "creation" date & time in it, and repeatly for all the files in a folder. For example, image001.jpg,....image999.jpg -->renamed to--> 20101011-1330-image001.jpg,...20101012-0920-image999.jpg |
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| 05:50.51 | Angel-SL | hi... |
| 05:51.04 | Angel-SL | i have a wlan device - usb prolink wn2000, chipset ralink rt2870 usb |
| 05:51.26 | Angel-SL | i installed ralink's driver from their website (from source) following this tutorial: http://ubunturt2870.pbworks.com/FrontPage |
| 05:51.50 | Angel-SL | after that the device seemingly worked fine |
| 05:52.10 | Angel-SL | it showed up in ifconfig and iwconfig as wlan0 |
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| 05:52.26 | Angel-SL | however after rebooting the system it is completely absent short of lsusb.. |
| 05:52.27 | Angel-SL | help? |
| 05:54.25 | cahoot | loaded the module? |
| 05:55.13 | Angel-SL | yes it's loaded |
| 05:55.49 | Angel-SL | sldeb:~# modprobe -l | grep rt2870sta ... kernel/drivers/net/wireless/rt2870sta.ko |
| 05:56.59 | cahoot | unload/reload it and check dmesg for posible complaints? |
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| 06:00.47 | Angel-SL | apparantly i failed to blacklist rt2800usb properly |
| 06:00.59 | Angel-SL | lemme fix that and try again |
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| 06:08.43 | geekosopher | doing 'apt-get autoremove' on squeeze broke my user-space and now it does not automatically start x on reboot |
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| 06:12.19 | Angel-SL | geekosopher: perhaps reinstall x? |
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| 06:13.54 | geekosopher | Angel-SL: Just to clarify - its not that I am not able to start x. Its not starting automatically |
| 06:14.02 | ShapeShifter499 | can someone help me have my ipod automounted via ifuse when its connected?.. it allready automounts but no music application can use my ipod till I mount it via ifuse |
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| 06:15.16 | crazy2k_ | Someone willing to give me a hand with a kernel module? |
| 06:15.22 | crazy2k_ | I'm creating a char device. I'm doing alloc_chrdev_region(), cdev_init(), cdev_add() and now I want to create the node in the filesystem for it. What should I use? |
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| 06:17.54 | geekosopher | Angel-SL: which package to intall x? 'x11-common'? |
| 06:18.22 | Angel-SL | geekosopher: um |
| 06:18.26 | Angel-SL | not entirely sure.. |
| 06:18.36 | geekosopher | hmm |
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| 06:26.47 | sako | whats the ideal way to change your system editor? |
| 06:26.56 | sako | systemwide text editor ** |
| 06:27.41 | courpse | Err, type something different? |
| 06:28.01 | courpse | instead of nano textfile, do vim text2file ? |
| 06:28.05 | courpse | -2 |
| 06:29.35 | geekosopher | courpse: change it in your .bashrc? |
| 06:30.08 | courpse | wasnt the one who asked the question. |
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| 06:31.24 | geekosopher | not sure removing which package is causing this problem, so attaching the last term.log http://pastebin.com/VeJMhfvq |
| 06:31.47 | geekosopher | courpse: sorry was intended for sako :) |
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| 06:49.25 | SasanRose | hi, every body, after upgrading my debian, i have a serious problem, The most important one of them is my battery is not charging, When i plug in my ac power, it suddenly says, battery is fully charged. At first i thought my battery is broken and i bought a new battery :( but i still have the problem |
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| 06:51.46 | sako | visudo opens up nano |
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| 06:52.00 | SaRy | Does KDE come as default on debian testing .. |
| 06:54.02 | cahoot | sako: try update-alternatives --config editor |
| 06:54.14 | sako | update-alternatives --config editor |
| 06:54.16 | sako | er |
| 06:54.16 | sweetpi | SaRy: no, see http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 06:54.26 | sako | beat me to it.. thanks cahoot! |
| 06:55.26 | sako | so im installing debian lenny on my server |
| 06:55.38 | sako | when the new version comes out.. would i be able to do a dist upgrade? |
| 06:56.49 | SaRy | O' no .. thought I was installing the kde iso |
| 06:57.00 | SaRy | sweetpi: thanks .. I'll check it |
| 06:58.14 | cahoot | sako: unless something goes terribly wrong - yes |
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| 07:23.08 | angel-tsankov | needs help creating a network bridge |
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| 07:30.28 | hanibanaa | hi, I want to sync some attribute of an LDAP server with a MySQL server through a bash script. How can I tell OpenLDAP to execute my script if there was any change? |
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| 07:35.09 | djanatan | Hello #debian, I've been a distro wanderer for a long time and am finally considering installing Debian, but I have a critical question before I wipe my HDD and jump in. If I install the x86_64 version of Debian, how much of a pain will Skype be to install? As a deaf person, video chat is critical. |
| 07:37.28 | syn4pse | djanatan apt-get install skype |
| 07:37.31 | syn4pse | is working great |
| 07:37.31 | syn4pse | ;) |
| 07:38.37 | djanatan | On a 64-bit system? |
| 07:39.51 | cahoot | what's more ciritical, 64bit or skype? |
| 07:40.09 | djanatan | 64bit would greatly improve the performance of Maxima, which I use every day |
| 07:40.25 | djanatan | but Skype is required for communication; many of my friends have a very weak grasp of English and prefer ASL |
| 07:41.08 | cahoot | you hav a working 64bit + skype set up atm? |
| 07:41.47 | djanatan | Nope. Fedora 13 right now, 32-bit. |
| 07:42.28 | sako | hey gys when you are asked during safe-upgrade ==> Deleted (by you or by a script) since installation. |
| 07:42.40 | sako | should i be installing the package maintainer's version |
| 07:42.50 | sako | i haven't touched that file at least not deliberately |
| 07:43.12 | sweetpi | I had skype running on 64-bit squeeze a while back, dont remember any problems |
| 07:43.16 | cahoot | djanatan: http://wiki.debian.org/skype |
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| 07:49.10 | syn4pse | iḿ running skype on a 64bit mint also without any problems |
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| 07:51.43 | petern_ | Iequit9u |
| 07:51.45 | ghisen | Hi, i have a problem with a debian servern crashes randomly. Hard reboot needed. Looking at the syslog a pattern emerges, before every crash there has been a file uploaded to pureftpd... anyone got any ideas? |
| 07:51.48 | petern_ | hm |
| 07:52.03 | petern_ | better change that :p |
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| 07:58.24 | angel-tsankov | can I create a bridge to a tun interface |
| 08:00.02 | sedulous | you can't |
| 08:00.20 | sedulous | (iirc) |
| 08:00.36 | EmleyMoor | angel-tsankov: What are yau actually trying to do? |
| 08:02.30 | D4rKr0W | does anyone remember the name for the apache2 ssl mod? |
| 08:02.41 | D4rKr0W | name of the debian package |
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| 08:03.50 | SlayerXP | D4rKr0W: http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 08:04.13 | D4rKr0W | i am aware of that database and i did not manage to find it? |
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| 08:06.29 | D4rKr0W | mod_ssl gives 0 results |
| 08:06.38 | D4rKr0W | weird, i was pretty sure it was called that way |
| 08:07.43 | sako | how can i show more info about a package using aptitude? |
| 08:07.51 | sako | i'd like to know what version it is in the repository |
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| 08:11.14 | Xanbreon | sako, aptitude show pkggoeshere |
| 08:12.08 | sako | nice thanks |
| 08:12.26 | Xanbreon | np |
| 08:14.03 | sako | also, is there a best practices for when i compile something |
| 08:14.10 | sako | where would i put the src code? |
| 08:14.37 | sako | i kind of want to keep this stuff out of my home directory of the user in case more people are added as admins in the future |
| 08:14.43 | Xanbreon | /usr/src |
| 08:15.05 | sako | that sounds like it may work |
| 08:15.11 | sako | is that the "recommended" place |
| 08:15.15 | sako | or just personal pref/ |
| 08:15.52 | sako | oh nvm the folder even exists already!! |
| 08:15.55 | EmleyMoor | /usr/src is what I use for stuff in Debian - /usr/local/src for locally-managed |
| 08:15.57 | sako | thanks Xanbreon :) |
| 08:16.08 | Xanbreon | Dunno, but if you add yourself to the src group, you wont even need to sudo |
| 08:16.10 | Xanbreon | np |
| 08:16.24 | sako | EmleyMoor: thanks for the heads up! |
| 08:16.26 | Xanbreon | Ohh, I didnt know there was a local/src |
| 08:16.40 | sako | so wait |
| 08:16.56 | sako | stuff in Debian? as in if I recompile a debian package? |
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| 08:17.05 | sako | everything else in local/src? |
| 08:17.23 | sako | i dont think i understand the difference ;P |
| 08:17.24 | EmleyMoor | sako: Recompile, or compile kernel modules... |
| 08:17.30 | Xanbreon | Sounds sain to me |
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| 08:17.47 | Xanbreon | I mean, you dont *need to* I do all my compling in $home cos im lazy |
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| 08:17.55 | sako | oh i see |
| 08:18.02 | EmleyMoor | sako: If it will end up in /usr/local, I use /usr/local/src - but TMTOWTDI |
| 08:18.21 | Infin1ty|work | i'm trying to solve ipv6 problems on a debian server, this ipv6 makes the whole network slow , i disabled ipv6, yet i must use -4 on every stuff i do, wget -4, ssh -4 or else it will take a few minutes to do anything on the network |
| 08:18.30 | Xanbreon | does the src group give you permissions to usr/local/src as well? |
| 08:18.41 | Infin1ty|work | i have set alias net-pf-10 off ipv6, it is off, i can't see it in ifconfig, but yet the system is very slow because of this |
| 08:19.09 | EmleyMoor | Xanbreon: I don't think I use such a group but no reason why it shouldn't be possible |
| 08:19.15 | sako | Xanbreon: doesnt look like it :/ drwxrwsr-x 2 root staff 4096 Feb 16 2009 src |
| 08:19.23 | sako | drwxrwsr-x 2 root src 4096 Dec 4 2008 src |
| 08:19.38 | sako | the latter is /usr/src.. for some reason /usr/local/src is not set to src group |
| 08:19.56 | sako | just gotta change the group from staff to src |
| 08:20.12 | Xanbreon | Must be a reason, goodness knows what it is though |
| 08:20.13 | sako | chown root:src /usr/local/src |
| 08:20.39 | sako | i mean if it is safe enough to use it on /usr/src dunno why it would be an issue on local/src |
| 08:21.07 | Xanbreon | I suppose there for diff stuff, so diff groups? |
| 08:21.36 | Xanbreon | *shrug* |
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| 08:27.02 | gp5st | is there any package i can install to get php 5.3.0? 5.2.6 is in the repo |
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| 08:29.14 | Xanbreon | gp5st, http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=php5 |
| 08:29.55 | gp5st | Xanbreon: so, I have to move to testing? |
| 08:30.18 | Xanbreon | gp5st, You could just pull in php5 from squeeze. |
| 08:30.33 | gp5st | ok, i'll just change to testing then |
| 08:30.47 | gp5st | would that be OK for something that will be production in a few months? |
| 08:31.49 | Xanbreon | gp5st, I would change to squeeze, rather than testing, so you dont keep following testing once squeeze is released |
| 08:32.04 | gp5st | yeah, that's what i did; sorry |
| 08:32.24 | Xanbreon | gp5st, Squeeze is frozen, and may be released in a few months, It has been stable for me (on desktop though) ymmv |
| 08:32.33 | gp5st | ok |
| 08:32.34 | gp5st | thanks |
| 08:32.47 | Xanbreon | np |
| 08:32.53 | gp5st | i have a few months to test it, so it won't be pure trial-by-fire:) |
| 08:32.56 | gp5st | thanks again :-D |
| 08:33.08 | Xanbreon | Best of luck ;) |
| 08:33.17 | gp5st | :-p |
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| 08:51.00 | Chris___ | There's a little blue radio tower icon on my system tray I've never seen before. If I click it, it doesn't do anything, and there's no text if I hover the mouse over it. |
| 08:53.33 | SlayerXP | Chris___: sounds like bluetooth to me |
| 08:53.46 | Chris___ | I have a different icon for bluetooth |
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| 08:54.32 | Chris___ | the mouse is pointing at it: http://goose.honk-honk.org/files/radio.png |
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| 08:57.22 | Coweater | Chris___: looks similar to a wavelan icon i have here |
| 08:57.58 | davidroderick | i want redis-server, not in stable yet, on a production machine. there is a git repo. can I point apt-get at it? |
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| 08:58.59 | Bop | how can i umount a usb disk , always saying that a have a aplication |
| 08:59.40 | EmleyMoor | Bop: First, check that you haven't got a shell using it as its wd |
| 08:59.50 | Bop | checked , i dont |
| 09:00.05 | jhutchins_lt | Bop: What environment are you running? Release? Desktop? You probably have an fsm running. |
| 09:00.13 | Bop | debian testing |
| 09:00.20 | Bop | fsm ? |
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| 09:02.07 | Bop | isnt there a command to kill all process related to my usb ? |
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| 09:02.28 | kristian-aalborg | recommended wm for a 11 year old laptop? |
| 09:02.41 | Bop | rat poison |
| 09:03.05 | Bop | ok fluxbox |
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| 09:03.23 | kristian-aalborg | flux has not been updated in 3 years? |
| 09:03.38 | themill | davidroderick: that looks quite backport-able. /msg dpkg ssb. You'll need "debhelper" from backports for that, /msg dpkg bdo |
| 09:04.02 | EmleyMoor | Bop: I had this trouble the other day - never did get an answer that actually worked |
| 09:04.35 | Xanbreon | kristian-aalborg, your using a laptop from 11 years ago and your worried that the wm hasnt been updated in 3? ;) |
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| 09:05.08 | Xanbreon | Well, more like 2 years but meh |
| 09:05.41 | Xanbreon | Though, if you look, the git still gets commits |
| 09:05.42 | kristian-aalborg | I take it an active piece of software has better support etc |
| 09:05.44 | Bop | EmleyMoor, what is that ? |
| 09:06.07 | kristian-aalborg | Xanbreon: going for stable stuff |
| 09:06.14 | EmleyMoor | A USB disk stuck mounted |
| 09:06.48 | Bop | ok, i removed the wire , thanks alot |
| 09:06.58 | Xanbreon | Im pretty sure fluxbox is rocksolid |
| 09:07.21 | EmleyMoor | sync and pull was advised to me - but it left the mount point stuck |
| 09:08.52 | davidroderick | themill: sorry I don't understand the package manager |
| 09:09.48 | davidroderick | themill: Can't I install from testing within my production envirnment? |
| 09:10.53 | kristian-aalborg | what about IceWM? |
| 09:10.56 | Xanbreon | davidroderick, Yes, but its not always strait forward, you probs need to update debhelper, as they said |
| 09:11.12 | themill | davidroderick: in this case you probably could, but I'd still recommend making a backport following the instructions dpkg gave you. |
| 09:19.30 | Robinux | heya guys i'm installing debian in a vm and its asking for me to enter the hostname (one word) |
| 09:19.31 | Robinux | what should that be |
| 09:19.57 | koollman | Robinux: it's a name, it does not matter much |
| 09:20.06 | petemc | quincunx |
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| 09:20.28 | Robinux | cool |
| 09:25.35 | davidroderick | hang on is dpkg a bot on this channel? |
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| 09:27.55 | Xanbreon | yes |
| 09:27.57 | themill | dpkg, are you a bot? |
| 09:27.58 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 09:28.01 | CalebRipley | davidroderick, yes |
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| 09:29.16 | ov3rmind | nice morning to all (here 06::29) |
| 09:29.23 | Xanbreon | Hello |
| 09:29.37 | linux_probe | lol |
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| 09:35.07 | Robinux | should i set up lvm? while partitioning? |
| 09:35.08 | Robinux | on the vm |
| 09:35.27 | EmleyMoor | Robinux: If you want to, yes |
| 09:36.19 | Robinux | it sounds neat |
| 09:36.29 | davidroderick | dpkg ssb |
| 09:36.29 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 09:36.53 | EmleyMoor | I use it on real machines but not VMs yet |
| 09:37.43 | davidroderick | dpkg bdo |
| 09:37.43 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo key> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo kernel> <bdo users> <bdo pinning>. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100905 |
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| 09:40.07 | Dewi | does anyone know what it means if QT apps are rendering mostly black? |
| 09:40.27 | Dewi | they work okay on XMing for windows, but on both my VNC-Xorgs they fail |
| 09:41.13 | Dewi | (tightvncserver and vnc4server) |
| 09:42.27 | RichiH | ...what is the arcane magic to make rsync work via ssh _and_ use --files-from and not get obscure and totally useless error messages? |
| 09:42.49 | Dewi | RichiH: it uses ssh by default |
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| 09:43.41 | Dewi | RichiH: I dunno how to use files-from but you should probably work up to it |
| 09:44.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | RichiH: what do you mean by obscure error messages? |
| 09:44.25 | RichiH | Kamping_Kaiser: rsync error: errors selecting input/output files, dirs (code 3) at flist.c(1912) [sender=3.0.3] |
| 09:44.50 | RichiH | rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(635) [receiver=3.0.3] |
| 09:45.00 | RichiH | and other assorted one |
| 09:45.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | RichiH: didn't realise there were other ways of having errors; ive got used to them |
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| 09:45.28 | RichiH | Kamping_Kaiser: they are not particularly helpful |
| 09:45.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | RichiH: fwiw, there is a #rsync, and its reasonably good on replies |
| 09:45.43 | RichiH | especially when stuff works fine with either ssh or --files-from |
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| 10:07.36 | Robinux | umm guys, while installing, it said since this is a cd installer it doesn't have many packages so it gave me a list of programs to download, but i thought i was suppose to press enter on all choices i want so once i pressed enter on "web server" it started downloading |
| 10:07.39 | yareckon | is there a way to login as a user that doesn't have a shell set over ssh? |
| 10:07.45 | Robinux | will it give me the list again? |
| 10:07.53 | yareckon | I have a shared workspace problem that would be greatly eased by being able to do that |
| 10:07.55 | Robinux | cuz damn there were other things i wanted to download and install |
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| 10:09.42 | EmleyMoor | Robinux: run tasksel |
| 10:10.15 | Robinux | you mean after everything is finished? and after i log in and start the DE |
| 10:10.41 | EmleyMoor | Robinux: Better to log in from one of the console VTs - but yes |
| 10:11.11 | EmleyMoor | (you need to be root for it) |
| 10:11.16 | Robinux | ok |
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| 10:11.37 | Robinux | (i'm new to linux man) so hehe what is a console VTs? |
| 10:11.44 | Robinux | the screen before i get into the DE? |
| 10:12.04 | EmleyMoor | Robinux: Yes - do CTRL-ALT-F1 to get back to it |
| 10:12.27 | Robinux | nice |
| 10:12.28 | EmleyMoor | (there are others, on similar combinations) |
| 10:13.10 | Robinux | CTRL-ALT-F1 to get me back to it from the DE, got it man |
| 10:13.13 | Robinux | thanks for the help |
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| 10:13.28 | courpse | EmleyMoor: Whats VTs stand for? |
| 10:13.46 | albacker | would #debian suggest debian to a ubuntu user? (for a laptop..) |
| 10:14.03 | EmleyMoor | courpse: Virtual Terminals |
| 10:14.06 | courpse | I think #debian would suggest debian to anyone. |
| 10:14.18 | courpse | EmleyMoor: Didnt think the ttys were virtual. |
| 10:14.20 | albacker | courpse: well i wanted a 'out of the box' answer :) |
| 10:14.23 | courpse | At least not F1, perhaps the rest. |
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| 10:39.22 | Pum_Baa | hello :) |
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| 10:39.55 | Pum_Baa | is there anyone around familiar with apt-get and proxy configuration? |
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| 10:40.57 | Pum_Baa | after some looking around, I worked around the proxy server complaining that apt-get did not authenticate; I solved(?) this using ntlmaps |
| 10:41.36 | Pum_Baa | ntlmaps uses port 8081; $http_proxy is set to http://user:pass@localhost:8081/ |
| 10:42.09 | Pum_Baa | when I run apt-get update, it fails trying to connect to 8081:80 |
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| 10:42.27 | Pum_Baa | ("Cannot initiate the connection to 8081:80") |
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| 10:54.58 | yareckon | anyone know if a *specific user* can be forced to use public keys to login? |
| 10:55.55 | yareckon | man sshd_config aint giving me the löve.. |
| 10:56.10 | tarzeau | yareckon: well change the password to something the user doesn't know? |
| 10:56.18 | yareckon | lol |
| 10:56.27 | yareckon | hmmmm |
| 10:56.33 | yareckon | you are strong in the force |
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| 10:57.54 | yareckon | goes against my normal policy of documenting everything... but perhaps a little note that just says "use ssh keys you idiots" in the password field |
| 10:57.57 | yareckon | :) |
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| 10:59.58 | eshat | how I can I find out which xorg video driver is used, for a running X Server ? (no xorg.conf used) |
| 11:00.37 | abrotman | the log file |
| 11:02.22 | sweetpi | yareckon: see the section on "Match" in the sshd_config man page |
| 11:02.26 | nsadmin | you could try generating a config with X -configure |
| 11:02.26 | eshat | abrotman: ahh, obvious, thanks |
| 11:02.28 | nsadmin | and read that |
| 11:03.23 | Nepherius | any ideas when squeez will be stable ? |
| 11:03.28 | yareckon | lol |
| 11:03.46 | yareckon | sweetpi, thanks.. that is exactly what I was missing! |
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| 11:04.08 | yareckon | wonderful, per user / host / IP overrides |
| 11:04.10 | nsadmin | Nepherius: maybe sooner if you help |
| 11:04.36 | yareckon | sweetpi++ |
| 11:04.41 | yareckon | tarzeau++ |
| 11:05.36 | Nepherius | nsadmin: i would gladly help to bad I am a newb when it comes to programming :) |
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| 11:06.08 | yareckon | Nepherius, go over to #drupal and ask when drupal 7 will be out :) |
| 11:06.26 | nsadmin | I dunno, test the installers, read existing bug reports, see what info people put there, try to sus out what programmers want to know |
| 11:06.34 | sweetpi | you dont have to be a programmer to help make squeeze stable, just test it and report and bugs you find |
| 11:06.45 | yareckon | there should be a "how can I help" page more visible |
| 11:07.12 | yareckon | the debian.org front page is far too inflexible in terms of enlisting people to help |
| 11:08.05 | abrotman | there are other ways to help also |
| 11:08.06 | petemc | yareckon: theres a prominent 'help debian' link on the frontpage |
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| 11:08.31 | abrotman | http://www.debian.org/intro/help |
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| 11:08.46 | yareckon | for some values of "prominent" that is true |
| 11:08.48 | abrotman | there's also all the QA pages |
| 11:09.25 | yareckon | More thinking of giant banner, like the one promoting lenny... but saying "help get squeeze out" |
| 11:09.59 | abrotman | If someone really wants to help, they'll find a way |
| 11:10.02 | petemc | people who need a 'giant banner' to find something probably arent going to be much help |
| 11:10.08 | Nepherius | getting a unstable version on my already unsable pc would be a bad ideea :)) |
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| 11:10.27 | yareckon | well, that is one way to look at it |
| 11:10.28 | Nepherius | i have pleny problems with stable distoros dont rly need a unstable on :P |
| 11:11.00 | yareckon | I think that folks that visit debian websites all the time, still need a reminder to pitch in sometimes |
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| 11:11.14 | yareckon | even if highly skilled, they may be underinvolved |
| 11:11.35 | Arafangion | Hey, I'm trying to get my laptop onto the network, but network manager refuses to cooperate, and wicd isn't on DVD1. |
| 11:11.52 | abrotman | wifiradar? |
| 11:12.13 | yareckon | part of exciting people to take part in a project X is to make the project look like it is actively working on X |
| 11:12.33 | yareckon | which might mean banners, or news on the front page about X |
| 11:12.36 | Arafangion | If I start nm-applet, I get a bunch of warning messages, which seem to actually be errors, regarding being unable to acquire the nma-dbus_init service, beccause connection ":1.138" is not allowed to own the service "org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerInfo" due to security policies in the configuration file. |
| 11:12.54 | Arafangion | And I have no idea what's wrong with it. |
| 11:14.08 | themill | Arafangion: are you in the netdev group? |
| 11:14.53 | Arafangion | Weirdly, no, I wonder how that changed - it was working a month ago. (I rarely use this laptop). |
| 11:14.56 | Arafangion | Let me add myself... |
| 11:15.30 | themill | (that's needed for lenny, nfc whether that's needed for squeeze) |
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| 11:17.11 | Arafangion | themill: Turns out that was all that was needed - trivial! |
| 11:17.28 | themill | \o/ |
| 11:17.40 | yareckon | knowing where to tap: $9999 |
| 11:17.58 | Arafangion | themill: And actually quite logical - if I wasn't so tired I should've found out myself. :( |
| 11:18.06 | Arafangion | yareckon: Ha. :) |
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| 11:20.13 | jelly | what should I use for automatic building of kernel with custom patches, triggered by updated linux-2.6 package sources? |
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| 11:20.37 | kephu | hi |
| 11:21.17 | kephu | I'm thinking of setting up a fileserver using my ntfs drive. Which of the ntfs filesystem drivers is the best? |
| 11:21.53 | kephu | also, bonus question, can I do something along the lines of fsck on ntfs partitions, and does this have a high chance of murdering my data? |
| 11:22.12 | jelly | kephu: ntfs-3g seems the popular choice. if you ever need fsck, do it with a native tool. |
| 11:22.17 | petemc | kephu: i would recommend against using ntfs, it works but its not great |
| 11:22.36 | petemc | (in linux) |
| 11:22.47 | sweetpi | !tell kephu about ntfs |
| 11:22.51 | kephu | well, petemc, for now this is what I have to work with, what with not being able to migrate the data at the time |
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| 11:23.55 | kephu | so, I noticed there's two drivers that allow readwrite access, not to mention captivate |
| 11:24.09 | jelly | captive-ntfs has been dead for a whiel |
| 11:24.11 | petemc | i have a machine with 2 1TB NTFS drives, using ntfs-3g with any sort of heavy IO bumps the cpu usage to 100% |
| 11:24.49 | kephu | so what about ntfsmount? |
| 11:24.50 | jelly | petemc: 100% of a single core? |
| 11:25.16 | petemc | jelly: yes |
| 11:25.33 | jelly | so one can leave a core for IO ;-) |
| 11:25.43 | petemc | if one has a core to spare |
| 11:25.50 | jelly | or buy Tuxera's kernel driver |
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| 11:28.06 | kephu | so okay, from what I see, ntfs-3g is apparently preferred, is that fair to say? |
| 11:28.24 | jelly | probably yes |
| 11:29.01 | sweetpi | speaking of filesystems, does jfs support pre-allocation like ext4 and xfs? |
| 11:29.09 | abrotman | really, non-ntfs is preferred :) |
| 11:29.13 | jelly | ooh, there's a new upstream version |
| 11:29.28 | jelly | http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-download/ The latest stable version is ntfs-3g-2010.10.2, released on October 3, 2010. |
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| 11:29.35 | Spaceeman | Hello :) |
| 11:29.36 | jelly | uupdates |
| 11:31.24 | Spaceeman | What about cron.daily/logrotate giving /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/twisted/manhole/telnet.py:8: DeprecationWarning: As of Twisted 2.1, twisted.protocols.telnet is deprecated. See twisted.conch.telnet for the current, supported API. ? |
| 11:31.40 | Spaceeman | (Lenny 64) |
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| 11:32.17 | monkey_d_luffy | Does anyone knows how I can override busybox builtin functions? I'm not sure if this is a config option or a build option (chosen by debian devs when they built the package) |
| 11:33.23 | abrotman | Spaceeman: it's just deprecated .. it's not an error (yet) |
| 11:33.28 | sweetpi | monkey_d_luffy: busybox modules need to be specified at build time |
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| 11:35.42 | Spaceeman | Ok, thanks, because it's the first time I receive an e-mail from the server... |
| 11:36.26 | Spaceeman | Also, I'm suprised that logrotate "use"(?) telnet ? for what ? |
| 11:36.39 | monkey_d_luffy | sweetpi: but isn't there any variable that you can set, while in a busybox shell, to override the builtins? something like export OVERRIDE_BUILTINS=1 ? |
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| 11:40.19 | wrksx | hi all, I downloaded a .deb package and wish to install it on my system. I read I can use dpkg --install package.deb, but won't it mess with aptitude which I usually use ? |
| 11:40.55 | blip2 | wrksx: yes |
| 11:41.19 | sweetpi | monkey_d_luffy: I see, I thought you wanted to add new functions to busy box. yes I believe there is a way to override but I cant remember what it is |
| 11:41.40 | wrksx | blip2, yes it will mess ?? |
| 11:41.52 | wrksx | blip2, oor yes that's the way to go ? |
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| 11:42.28 | themill | !wayttd wrksx |
| 11:42.28 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, wrksx? |
| 11:42.42 | monkey_d_luffy | sweetpi: ok thanks. will continue on googling |
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| 11:42.53 | wrksx | themill, install a .deb package |
| 11:43.08 | themill | wrksx: feel free to be somewhat more verbose |
| 11:43.21 | jelly | wrksx: which deb package and where did you get it from? |
| 11:43.34 | wrksx | teamviewer |
| 11:43.44 | wrksx | http://www.teamviewer.com |
| 11:44.05 | wrksx | they distribute their program in a deb package |
| 11:44.36 | wrksx | I wish to install it, and I just wonder if dpkg --install can mess with aptitude |
| 11:45.06 | jelly | wrksx: ok, a third party binary-only package. dpkg -i may result in some failed dependencies, which can typically be fixed using "aptitude -f install" or "apt-get -f install" |
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| 11:45.54 | wrksx | jelly, you mean I should first try with dpkg -i and see how it goes ? |
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| 11:46.03 | Xanbreon | wrksx, or use something like gdebi |
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| 11:46.29 | Xanbreon | As far as i remember the teamviewer package is pretty much self contained |
| 11:46.39 | Enverex | I'm trying to use InnoDB on a table in my MySQL server but InnoDB isn't showing as an option (and isn't listed when using "show engines;"). I don't have the skip innodb line in my my.cnf so am I missing something here? Has InnoDB support been removed? |
| 11:46.44 | wrksx | ok i'll give it a try, thanks |
| 11:46.50 | jelly | wrksx: yes, and fix any pending mess using "aptitude -f install", if a mess happens |
| 11:49.51 | kephu | okay, one more thing here: how do I disable "closing the laptop lid does... well, anything actually"? |
| 11:51.13 | terranova | I have question about Xlib. Time when KeyEvent was generated is calculating from epoch. Epoch is value when xserver or OS has been strated. How to proper retrieve epoch value ? I searched function in Xlib. but to no avail. |
| 11:52.49 | wrksx | Ok, dpgk worked perfectly, and installed teamviewer.deb. I'm trying now to locate files installed by dpkg in order to find the icon. Where can it be ? |
| 11:53.20 | terranova | I want to convert "Xlib time" to "java time" |
| 11:53.45 | thm | is dpkg only talking with me, when I'm in this channel? |
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| 11:54.48 | themill | thm: yes |
| 11:54.57 | themill | wrksx: dpkg -L $packagename |
| 11:55.10 | wrksx | themill thx |
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| 11:59.15 | epeen | When will firefox be released for Debian Squeeze? |
| 12:00.17 | abrotman | it has iceweasel already |
| 12:00.28 | wrksx | I'm trying to understand what goes in /opt, but I can't find debian dir architecture, can someone help ? |
| 12:00.36 | epeen | Don't want iceweasel. |
| 12:00.50 | wrksx | epeen, icecat ? |
| 12:00.51 | abrotman | then you go to getfirefox.com and get firefox .. that's your call |
| 12:00.59 | abrotman | it won't be supported here though |
| 12:01.13 | abrotman | or you could do the smart thing and use iceweasel |
| 12:01.22 | epeen | Epiphany is just a failure- only reason i ask for Fx. |
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| 12:01.33 | abrotman | did you try *both* epiphany backends? |
| 12:01.45 | cahoot | wrksx: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard |
| 12:01.46 | epeen | Idk |
| 12:01.54 | abrotman | so find out |
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| 12:01.56 | wrksx | cahoot, oh thak you |
| 12:01.58 | abrotman | or say 'no' |
| 12:02.31 | abrotman | epiphany has the ability to either use a gecko backend (like FF/IW) or a webkit backend (like konqueror) |
| 12:02.36 | epeen | Abrotman, mainly, epiphany blacks out or becomes grey when i view anything other than something light. |
| 12:02.53 | abrotman | that sounds like a video card driver problem to me ... |
| 12:03.10 | epeen | 'light' as in a google search or a basic text page. |
| 12:03.19 | epeen | Everything else works. >_> |
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| 12:10.17 | Tux^verdreifelt | epeen: why don't you like iceweasel? what does firefox have that iceweasel doesn't? |
| 12:10.19 | Tux^verdreifelt | :S |
| 12:10.36 | epeen | Tux^verdreifelt, the heat? |
| 12:10.42 | epeen | I have no idea really. |
| 12:10.47 | Tux^verdreifelt | lol |
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| 12:10.49 | Tux^verdreifelt | so what? |
| 12:10.51 | Tux^verdreifelt | :) |
| 12:10.53 | epeen | Iceweasel just seems foreign to me. |
| 12:11.05 | Tux^verdreifelt | alias "firefox" to "iceweasel" |
| 12:11.18 | Tux^verdreifelt | replace the shortcut icon or whatever |
| 12:11.23 | Tux^verdreifelt | and everything's fine |
| 12:11.24 | Tux^verdreifelt | :) |
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| 12:12.12 | epeen | Well, when updates are finished, i'll install iceweasel. |
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| 12:14.05 | LV-426 | thinks it's a bit ironic that #debian you are advised to restore the firefox icons... |
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| 12:15.04 | abrotman | you don't need the alias, it has one already |
| 12:16.31 | wrksx | my iceweasel is v 3.0.6 how can I grab a later version ? |
| 12:16.38 | Nepherius | if i have debain lenny 5.0 is there a simple way to switch to squeez or do i have to install it from a cd/usb ? |
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| 12:18.50 | jelly | Tux^verdreifelt: except the User-Agent |
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| 12:19.18 | Tux^verdreifelt | jelly: about:config :P |
| 12:19.34 | jelly | Tux^verdreifelt: tell that to epeen. |
| 12:19.40 | Tux^verdreifelt | Nepherius: use sources.list :) |
| 12:19.47 | Tux^verdreifelt | jelly: he didn't ask |
| 12:19.55 | yareckon | Nepherius, you can change your /etc/apt/sources.list to squeeze and do a dist upgrade |
| 12:20.11 | jelly | Tux^verdreifelt: you told him everything would be fine, but that's not correct |
| 12:20.14 | Coweater | !tell Nepherius -about lenny->squeeze |
| 12:20.25 | yareckon | thanks Coweater |
| 12:20.26 | Nepherius | ok ty |
| 12:20.39 | Tux^verdreifelt | jelly: the end user does not care much about a browser string |
| 12:20.49 | Tux^verdreifelt | unless he's a webdev himself.. |
| 12:21.18 | Coweater | the end user cares when some website uses that string to limit access |
| 12:22.12 | jelly | Tux^verdreifelt: he doesn't, but some web sites do. |
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| 12:25.30 | fbs | hi guys |
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| 12:25.52 | fbs | anyone experiance with 2.6.35.7 & ati ? |
| 12:27.08 | dutchfish | hi, how can i use polish fonts in mysql5, debian lenny, apache servs this fonts correctly from static html, but not if the html comes from a stored LONGTEXT in mysql. Any help welcome. |
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| 12:27.56 | Angel-SL | dutchfish: i don't think the source of the text can affect the font used to display the text on the client-side |
| 12:28.00 | g0rd0n_ | how much ram can a 32 bit debian 5.0 address? |
| 12:28.35 | g0rd0n_ | i need to create a VM with debian, which has 3 gb of ram, but need to be flexible as the amount of ram could rise in the future to 4 or more |
| 12:28.50 | dutchfish | Angel-SL: i gues not, but somehow when the polish text is stored in the mysel-db the fonts are only question marks for the special polish characters |
| 12:29.04 | Angel-SL | dutchfish: oh, i see |
| 12:29.12 | Angel-SL | check your mysql character encoding.. |
| 12:29.15 | Angel-SL | also, wrong channel, but meh |
| 12:29.42 | dutchfish | Angel-SL: any short hint oon character encoding settings for mysql5? |
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| 12:30.21 | Angel-SL | you might have better luck if youu ask in #mysql |
| 12:30.39 | jelly | g0rd0n_: if you need a single process to be able to access more than 3GB, you'll need amd64 |
| 12:31.18 | Angel-SL | g0rd0n_: if i remember correctly, 32bit can address up to 32gb.. i'm probably wrong though |
| 12:31.56 | dutchfish | Angel-SL: thank you |
| 12:32.29 | g0rd0n_ | Angel-SL: i just read it can do up to 64 gb with socalled pae.. |
| 12:32.40 | Angel-SL | well, there you go |
| 12:32.56 | Parsifal | Yes, 32-bit systems can use up to 64 GiB with PAE, but individual programs are still limited to 4 GiB each. |
| 12:32.58 | Angel-SL | physical address extension.. |
| 12:33.00 | Parsifal | * processes |
| 12:33.01 | g0rd0n_ | so i am wondering what the advantages of amd64 are, besides single processes being able to address more than 3gb |
| 12:33.21 | g0rd0n_ | ok, well since the vm will do web hosting, i dont think processes will need to work with such large data |
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| 12:33.47 | g0rd0n_ | i guess running amd64 on 3gb will be slower than running i686? |
| 12:33.48 | Tux^verdreifelt | well g0rd0n_ of course they will |
| 12:33.59 | Tux^verdreifelt | depends on what exactly is hosted |
| 12:34.29 | Tux^verdreifelt | a simple lighttpd won't need 3 GiB, but there's still sql, imapd, ... |
| 12:34.42 | Tux^verdreifelt | sql can become quite resource hungry. |
| 12:34.42 | Tux^verdreifelt | :x |
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| 12:45.00 | g0rd0n_ | Tux^verdreifelt: right, but then there is threading and multiple processes i guess... well, i guess the performance loss with amd64 will be minimal |
| 12:45.07 | g0rd0n_ | so it's safer to choose that one |
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| 12:48.36 | pozic | Is there an interactive graphical sed application that shows all the changes that would be done for given inputs for a whole directory? |
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| 12:54.14 | rgr | hmm, the DE locale is pretty damn comprehensive. Impressed. Pity its not a mere gnome select away. |
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| 13:08.17 | angel-tsankov | may I have dhcp server running on a bridged interface |
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| 13:10.13 | Nepherius | this is squeeze right http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso ?:) |
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| 13:10.59 | Nepherius | nvm :P |
| 13:11.21 | Tobias| | wait wait wait. http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html -- this means that I can convert an ubuntu system to debian remotely? |
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| 13:11.29 | binarym | hi |
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| 13:14.21 | themill | Tobias|: that guide is a little out of date as "base-config" no longer exists. But the basic outline of using debootstrap is right. |
| 13:14.37 | Tobias| | I'm totally amazed O_O |
| 13:14.41 | Tobias| | I didn't think it were possible |
| 13:14.46 | Tobias| | It's brilliant, it's wonderful |
| 13:15.03 | Tobias| | No more ubuntu server anymore O_O |
| 13:15.19 | binarym | have a problem with the debian installer (lenny version). I have a custom kernel compiled this way: make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=mib.nohpet.bigmem kernel_image, i put the custom kernel+initrd on isolinux config, i put the .deb (named linux-image-2.6.26mib.nohpet.bigmem_2.6.26mib.nohpet.bigmem-10.00.Custom_i386.deb) into my .deb repository. Everything went fine, the kernel boot (correctly, and it's my custom kernel) but the installer co |
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| 13:15.24 | Tobias| | Are there any more recent guides about the place, themill? |
| 13:15.38 | Tobias| | If you know of any, that is. I won't ask you to google them for me :) |
| 13:15.39 | themill | !debootstrap |
| 13:15.39 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
| 13:15.55 | geekosopher | how do i change the time in my system |
| 13:16.12 | themill | dpkg: tell geekosopher about set the time |
| 13:16.25 | themill | geekosopher: normally, you'd use ntp for this though. /msg dpkg ntp |
| 13:16.41 | Tobias| | Thanks, themill :D |
| 13:16.55 | binarym | geekosopher: briefly: apt-get install ntpdate && ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
| 13:17.16 | themill | binarym, geekosopher: use ntp rather than ntpdate though. |
| 13:17.35 | themill | !ntpdate |
| 13:17.36 | dpkg | ntpdate is an obsolete and unmaintained program to set a system clock via NTP. Just install the ntp package instead. Since Lenny, ntp's default configuration files (NTPD_OPTS='-g' in /etc/default/ntp, 'iburst' option for default servers in /etc/ntp.conf) make ntpdate unnecessary. See also <why not ntpdate>, <ntp>. |
| 13:17.38 | binarym | 'k |
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| 13:20.09 | geekosopher | themill: I had installed ntp.... but could not change the timezone - neither from the time applet on the panel nor the System>Date and Time |
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| 13:20.29 | geekosopher | sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata worked |
| 13:20.39 | themill | geekosopher: ahh... so that's a different question. Glad you're sorted. |
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| 13:21.17 | geekosopher | is wondering why did it need to be so un-intuitive |
| 13:21.29 | angel-tsankov | anyone using virtualbox? |
| 13:22.11 | binarym | angel-tsankov: yep |
| 13:22.14 | themill | geekosopher: it shouldn't be -- I have no idea if the gnome time applet allows you to do that or not though. The KDE one certainly works just fine. |
| 13:22.40 | angel-tsankov | binarym: with bridged networking? |
| 13:22.46 | binarym | nop sorry |
| 13:23.06 | geekosopher | themill: no it does not... fiddled with it for almost half an hour before asking here |
| 13:23.19 | binarym | angel-tsankov: but, still ask ... |
| 13:23.31 | themill | geekosopher: *shrug* I'm not in a position to help with that one. |
| 13:24.10 | geekosopher | :) |
| 13:24.10 | angel-tsankov | binarym: I think I've setup correctly the bridge, but the vm cannot access the dhcp server on the host to get its ip address |
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| 13:27.00 | binarym | angel-tsankov: can't tell you with so few information |
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| 13:28.04 | binarym | try a tcpdump -i output_interface port 67 |
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| 13:28.52 | Raptors | Is there a way I can get latest gnome (gnome 2.32) on debian sid? |
| 13:29.06 | Raptors | the one in the repo is at 2.30 :| |
| 13:29.13 | abrotman | Raptors: not til squeeze releases |
| 13:29.21 | abrotman | or use another distro, or compile it yourself |
| 13:29.31 | Raptors | there is no ppa? |
| 13:29.38 | abrotman | this is not Ubuntu |
| 13:29.50 | Raptors | there is no repo? |
| 13:29.51 | abrotman | we prefer random users not put up questionable packages for anyone to use |
| 13:29.53 | themill | Raptors: since ppas are ubuntu-specific, no. (and sid has a mixture of 2.30 and 2.32) |
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| 13:30.32 | Raptors | I guess I'll go and attempt to compile it. |
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| 13:32.03 | binarym | so nobody can help me on debian-installer? :( |
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| 13:47.14 | wolfric_ | bit new to debian. Trying to install nmap. DId a apt-get update and upgrade. here are my sources. http://pastebin.com/P27AYFrb when i attempt to install, it says package nmap not available but is refered to by another package |
| 13:48.05 | wolfric_ | any ideas? |
| 13:48.19 | qq- | missing main repos |
| 13:48.29 | qq- | !sources |
| 13:48.29 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 13:49.07 | fbs | deb http://mirrors.nl.kernel.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free |
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| 13:49.12 | fbs | should be added to |
| 13:49.17 | fbs | squeeze -> lenny |
| 13:49.36 | geekosopher | hackers need to do a lot of config after fresh debian install ;) |
| 13:50.33 | koollman | random thoughts : it would be great to have a '[X] Install SSH server' option during default install |
| 13:50.45 | tomodachi | koollman: why? |
| 13:50.45 | koollman | once again forgot to add that to a remote VM |
| 13:50.57 | tomodachi | vm as in virtual machine? |
| 13:51.14 | tomodachi | then you should have a scripted install of the machine anyway |
| 13:51.21 | LV-426 | koollman, deb installer 6 alpha has this option |
| 13:51.34 | tomodachi | and can add ssh as a default package into your install machine script |
| 13:52.14 | wolfric_ | qq + fbs: cheers |
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| 13:52.18 | wuffi600 | hi. |
| 13:52.26 | fbs | yw |
| 13:52.32 | koollman | my default install process install ssh, but whenever I test new stuff in a separate env, I usually starts from a debian ISO |
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| 13:52.56 | koollman | (in particular, for VM systems, I prepare a standard image to clone from) |
| 13:53.14 | tomodachi | koollman: i use debootstrap |
| 13:53.20 | geekosopher | !anyone |
| 13:53.20 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 13:53.25 | tomodachi | this way i get all the newest packages directly from the repositories |
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| 13:53.30 | wuffi600 | i've just installed lenny and generates partitions on hdd e.g. sda7 but i noticed that there is no /dev/sda7. how should i generate the device node? mknod? is ther a debian script for that? |
| 13:53.33 | tomodachi | and can extremely easy add another package (like ssh) to it |
| 13:53.48 | geekosopher | !anyone |
| 13:53.48 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 13:54.01 | tomodachi | koollman: this for me is superior since i can install a new server in 3 minutes with 6 questions (hd ram hostname ip etc) |
| 13:54.04 | tomodachi | then just press enter |
| 13:54.14 | stew | koollman: i prepare some local tasks for tasksel so that I have a "stew" task that can be installed that would add non-standard stuff I always want, like ssh emacs zsh screen by running "tasksel install stew" |
| 13:54.42 | koollman | tomodachi: sure, sure. but I still need a booting system around deboostrap (which I could get with pxe, I know) |
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| 13:55.01 | koollman | it's just a wish. I know many workarounds, but ... they aren't the default ;) |
| 13:55.12 | tomodachi | koollman: dont you have a virtualizatin server? where you run all virtual machines instead? |
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| 13:55.34 | tomodachi | why installa a real physical system all over again ,when you can use xen or kvm |
| 13:55.47 | tomodachi | spend a day or two, then save up weeks of time |
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| 13:56.07 | koollman | tomodachi: I am currently testing a virt platform that uses kvm. Still, I install a new VM from the debian iso, reboot and ... curse to myself ;) |
| 13:56.13 | ecolitan | how do i best get bash aliases to be there when any user logs in with ssh |
| 13:56.26 | tomodachi | koollman: dont, its not hard at all if you have gotten that far |
| 13:56.37 | ecolitan | i try putting them /etc/bash_profile but still have to source the file before they work |
| 13:56.39 | Alagar | hi all |
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| 13:58.23 | Alagar | any one can help me. i am send a mails to outside like yahoo , gmail, All the mails reached Junk Mail Foder of yahoo, gmail. is any solution.. |
| 13:58.41 | Alagar | Junk MailFolder* |
| 14:01.16 | binarym | Alagar: not a debian problem but a MX config problem i think |
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| 14:02.17 | binarym | Alagar: are you hosting your mail server on a DSL line ? |
| 14:02.36 | Alagar | binarym: in rackspace hosting |
| 14:02.54 | stew | Alagar: see if the headers of the emails give any hints why |
| 14:02.56 | binarym | Alagar: is your outgoing mail server named referenced in MX ns records ? |
| 14:03.10 | stew | Alagar: make sur3e that the ip address that the mail is going out on has a proper reverse dns mapping |
| 14:03.17 | stew | binarym: shouldn't matter |
| 14:03.26 | binarym | stew: some FAI check it |
| 14:03.51 | binarym | FAI == ISP, sorry for the french acronym |
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| 14:04.00 | stew | binarym: what is FAI? that would cause problems for lots of big organizations that don't use the same incoming and outgoing emails, like yahoo and google |
| 14:04.04 | Alagar | stew: how to check reverse dns entry? |
| 14:04.19 | binarym | Alagar: dig -x <ip> |
| 14:05.06 | stew | Alagar: check "host 1.2.3.4" for the ip address, which should get you a name like "mail.example.com" then check "host mail.example.com" it better give you back the original ip address |
| 14:05.19 | Alagar | binarym: thanks how to check my windows xp laptop |
| 14:05.37 | binarym | Alagar: i don't know :( |
| 14:05.42 | stew | Alagar: you can use nslookup instead of host with my commands |
| 14:06.02 | Alagar | stew: thanks its works |
| 14:06.09 | Alagar | binarym: thanks |
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| 14:06.18 | Alagar | Thanks for all |
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| 14:12.15 | man_in_ltop | waves |
| 14:12.27 | man_in_ltop | gnu tar doesn't seem to be respecting my umask |
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| 14:12.42 | fbs | kill it with fire |
| 14:13.43 | binarym | man_in_ltop: read the manpage: |
| 14:13.45 | binarym | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:13.46 | binarym | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:13.46 | binarym | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:13.54 | binarym | oups :( |
| 14:13.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | read the topic :) |
| 14:14.09 | binarym | !dpkg paste |
| 14:14.09 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 14:14.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | "NO FLOOD" |
| 14:14.39 | binarym | man_in_ltop: so read the manpage and search for --no-same-permissions |
| 14:14.43 | man_in_ltop | lol |
| 14:14.46 | binarym | :) |
| 14:14.48 | man_in_ltop | binarym, that doesn't help though |
| 14:14.51 | binarym | ? |
| 14:14.56 | binarym | why ? |
| 14:15.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway, that's the point of tar... to preserve existing permissions as it's an archiver |
| 14:15.03 | man_in_ltop | i have umask set to 0002, but the files are not being created with g+w |
| 14:15.06 | binarym | despite this option, the mask isn't correct ? |
| 14:15.26 | binarym | CutMeOwnThroat: not bad ;) |
| 14:15.42 | man_in_ltop | even with --no-same-permissions |
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| 14:17.59 | binarym | man_in_ltop: workaround: find . -exec chmod g+x {} \; |
| 14:18.10 | binarym | s/g+x/g+w/ sorry ... |
| 14:18.14 | man_in_ltop | nods |
| 14:18.17 | man_in_ltop | chmod -R also works |
| 14:18.32 | man_in_ltop | and xargs would be more efficient than find there ;) |
| 14:18.43 | man_in_ltop | s/find/find -exec/g |
| 14:19.05 | binarym | not alway |
| 14:19.17 | binarym | if you have space or other blank in file name, it makes bullshit |
| 14:19.39 | binarym | and find might be useful for its option -type f or -type d |
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| 14:20.39 | stew | instead of "-exec ... \;" you can do "-exec ... +" and find becomes more efficient than find | xargs in some cases |
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| 14:20.53 | stew | (like depending on particular operation, or number of cpu cores, etc) |
| 14:21.35 | binarym | stew: we can s/\;/+/ with find ? |
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| 14:22.03 | stew | binarym: yes. think of \; as being "xargs -n1" and + as just "xargs" |
| 14:22.06 | man_in_ltop | binarym, find . | xargs -d'\n' chmod g+w |
| 14:22.19 | binarym | ok :) |
| 14:22.27 | stew | binarym: or find . | xargs chmod g+w {}+ |
| 14:22.37 | stew | err {} + with a space |
| 14:22.46 | stew | uhh |
| 14:22.55 | stew | ignore me |
| 14:22.56 | man_in_ltop | pokes stew in the pipe |
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| 14:23.01 | karlpinc | -print0 |
| 14:23.05 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 14:23.05 | stew | yeah, | xargs shouldn't be there |
| 14:23.16 | stew | find . -exec chmod g+w {} + |
| 14:23.28 | gypsymauro | someone knows if the gtk interface of debian installer uses X or framebuffer? |
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| 14:24.34 | themill | gypsymauro: for lenny, fb; for squeeze, X. |
| 14:25.11 | gypsymauro | themill: oh.. great, tank you |
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| 14:34.46 | binarym | hmm ... is this a bug: a linux-image-version.deb usually provides linux-modules-version, but a "make-kpkg" generated one doesn't ... should i report ? |
| 14:34.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | binarym, yes... it's *ahem* "new" thing... + is even in posix for >>5 years or so |
| 14:35.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | I also only noticed 3 years after it was introduced everywhere :) |
| 14:35.12 | binarym | uhuh :) |
| 14:35.29 | binarym | damn ... so i'm a "old sysadmin" :( |
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| 14:35.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course, not everything can take multi-file arguments... |
| 14:35.46 | tomodachi | binarym: if you are more than 3.0 then yes |
| 14:35.46 | tomodachi | :) |
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| 14:35.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | 'nother good thing is you don't need to escape + |
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| 14:36.05 | binarym | yeah |
| 14:36.57 | Xanbreon | Is there a way to link the contents of two folders so they all show up in the same place, and if you add something new to one of the folders, it also shows up without having todo anymore linking? |
| 14:36.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | don't need to escape {} in bash either.... also came somewhat as a shock |
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| 14:37.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | Xanbreon, ln -s /path/to/folder /path/to/new/place (read details in "man ln") |
| 14:38.01 | tomodachi | t log |
| 14:38.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's the closest to what you meant, I think... |
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| 14:38.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | else you can only sync things periodically ... which has all kinds of problems |
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| 14:38.51 | karlpinc | Xanbreon: I think "mount --rbind" is more what you want. |
| 14:39.05 | Xanbreon | ooo |
| 14:40.44 | Xanbreon | That looks perfect, thanks karlpinc |
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| 14:42.30 | Xanbreon | Ah, it doesnt compliment what is allready at the mount point, it replaces the mount point :( |
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| 14:45.41 | Xanbreon | Ill try and explain better, I have two folders on two diff disk /media/D/Stuff and /media/E/Stuff, what I want is for everything from both of those folders to show up in /media/Stuff |
| 14:45.42 | karlpinc | Xanbreon: You want to "merge" two directories? If there's something that does that it's probably a fuse filesystem. |
| 14:46.54 | Xanbreon | karlpinc, yeh, kinda like that I think |
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| 14:48.07 | queso | I've added lenny-backports to my sources.list so I can install postgresql-8.4. But in aptitude, when I + the package, it says it's "broken" before it has even been installed. What should I do? |
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| 14:48.41 | ScottO_ | is there a reason that git remains an old version in lenny? |
| 14:48.58 | Robinux | heya guys, i ran tasksel on debian on a vm right after installation, and it asked me to insert the "debian i386.iso" into "/cdrom/" so how do i do that?.... i installed it to vm using the same .iso file which i have stored on my host's hard disk |
| 14:49.13 | stew | ScottO_: lenny was frozen in 2008 and typically only gets updates to fix security problems |
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| 14:49.21 | ScottO_ | stew: ( |
| 14:49.26 | ScottO_ | thats sucks |
| 14:49.35 | ScottO_ | lenny is the only stable |
| 14:49.36 | stew | ScottO_: no, that's why its called stable |
| 14:49.51 | queso | stew: if one is going to be launching a new production box, what version of debian should be used? |
| 14:49.52 | stew | if it got new versions of software it would violate the very definition of stable |
| 14:49.59 | stew | ScottO_: /msg dpkg backports |
| 14:50.05 | stew | queso: stable |
| 14:50.13 | ScottO_ | stew: well currently its unstable, that version of git has some issues |
| 14:50.25 | stew | ScottO_: then use a backported version |
| 14:50.48 | karlpinc | !tell ScottO_ about bpo |
| 14:50.58 | themill | ,versions git-core |
| 14:51.00 | judd | Package git-core on i386 -- etch: 1:1.4.4.4-4+etch4; etch-security: 1:1.4.4.4-4+etch4; etch-backports: 1:1.5.6.5-3+lenny2~bpo40+1; lenny: 1:1.5.6.5-3+lenny3.1; lenny-volatile: 1:1.5.6.5-3+lenny3.1+b1~volatile1; lenny-security: 1:1.5.6.5-3+lenny3.2; lenny-backports: 1:1.7.1-1.1~bpo50+1; sid: 1:1.7.1-1.1; squeeze: 1:1.7.1-1.1; experimental: 1:1.7.2.3-1 |
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| 14:52.54 | g0rd0n_ | just installed mysql-server on debian minimal, i set the password in the debconf prompt... but when i do mysql -u root -p it fails the login |
| 14:53.00 | g0rd0n_ | any ideas what is wrong? |
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| 14:54.34 | ScottO_ | when is the next stable release? |
| 14:54.49 | streuner | dpkg, wir |
| 14:54.49 | dpkg | it has been said that wir is When It's Ready. See also <rsn> and <siyh>. |
| 14:55.10 | karlpinc | dpkg: bdo ~= s/See also/See also <volatile>/ |
| 14:55.10 | dpkg | karlpinc: i haven't a clue |
| 14:55.44 | streuner | ScottO_: when all RC bugs are fixed |
| 14:56.35 | karlpinc | ScottO_: See http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ and extroplate when the green line will hit 0. |
| 14:56.50 | themill | karlpinc: (changed in a /msg with dpkg) |
| 14:57.16 | karlpinc | themill: To what factoid? |
| 14:57.25 | abrotman | the right one :) |
| 14:57.36 | themill | !literal bdo |
| 14:57.37 | dpkg | "bdo" is "<reply> see backports.debian.org" |
| 14:57.44 | themill | karlpinc: ^^ the one the alias points to |
| 14:58.40 | karlpinc | themill: Ah. Thanks. Did I use the right syntax? |
| 14:59.07 | abrotman | yes, but on the wrong factoid |
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| 14:59.14 | karlpinc | abrotman: Got it. thanks. |
| 14:59.17 | abrotman | karlpinc: generally better to do that in msg anyway |
| 14:59.22 | themill | karlpinc: yeah, but I would have (and did) put the <volatile> at the end of the xref list as it's about something different |
| 14:59.25 | karlpinc | abrotman: I wanted review. :) |
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| 15:00.18 | abrotman | karlpinc: you can ask someone if you can msg them to review |
| 15:00.24 | LamerC | Hello. I'm playing around with the experimental network configuration package ipcfg. I'm trying to see if there is a way to set up virtual interfaces like this in ifupdown: http://pastebin.com/FKD0KQ9R |
| 15:00.25 | karlpinc | themill: My thought was to put it first as it's the big link to a similar concept that might be needed instead of bdo. |
| 15:01.02 | LamerC | Is it possible to do that with ipcfg? |
| 15:01.52 | queso | How do I access a new postgresql install with psql as root? |
| 15:02.17 | queso | (I'm not used to working without sudo.) |
| 15:02.49 | abrotman | queso: you don't really .. you do a `su - postgres`, then create a db user for you to use |
| 15:02.56 | karlpinc | queso: You mostly don't. Pg has it's own users. You want to be the postgres admin. (I think that's the "postgres" user, but I forget.) You do this with psql -U, or whatever other front end. |
| 15:03.39 | queso | abrotman: aah, that's what I needed, thanks |
| 15:03.55 | queso | karlpinc: I'm familiar with postgres, just not on debian. :) |
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| 15:05.45 | cybor0 | hello |
| 15:06.07 | cybor0 | how chnage term background color |
| 15:06.38 | petemc | depends on the terminal |
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| 15:06.58 | spiekey | Hello! |
| 15:07.05 | spiekey | how can i install grub v1 in squeeze? |
| 15:07.09 | cybor0 | xterm |
| 15:07.11 | epeen | GTFO |
| 15:07.12 | spiekey | grub2 kinda sucks |
| 15:07.17 | paradigm | ^ |
| 15:07.19 | paradigm | agreed |
| 15:07.37 | spiekey | what was wrong with grubv1, he? :-) |
| 15:08.08 | Xanbreon | What was right? ;) |
| 15:08.35 | innociv | I had a bunch of /USR/SBIN/CRON running in htop and it was killing my cpu. Why would that happen? |
| 15:08.38 | abrotman | spiekey: you really can't, it's been abandoned upstream |
| 15:08.40 | Xanbreon | Is there a way to ln everything inside a folder to another folder without doing it item by item? |
| 15:08.43 | craigevil | GRUB Legacy is no longer being developed < thats what is wrong with grubv1 |
| 15:09.07 | spiekey | abrotman, thanks for the info |
| 15:10.01 | petemc | innociv: check syslog to see which cron jobs are running |
| 15:10.38 | queso | If I added a password for the postgres user, but now want to remove the password, can I just remove the line in /etc/passwd ? |
| 15:10.53 | innociv | Hm well I did a sudo killall cron |
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| 15:11.41 | stew | queso: man passwd, you can use the passwd command to disable their password. you don't want to remove them from /etc/passwd completely |
| 15:11.52 | queso | stew: ok, thanks |
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| 15:12.12 | innociv | See nothing there now though |
| 15:12.16 | randommm | hi guys I just installed deb squeeze on my new lenovo g555. Now I have a ati hd4200. I installed the ati drivers but glx still does not work. What shall I do? |
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| 15:13.43 | Xanbreon | randommm, by ati driver do you mean fglrx? |
| 15:13.54 | fbs | fglrxinfo ? |
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| 15:14.39 | randommm | Xanbreon, the ones on the website |
| 15:14.47 | Xanbreon | ATI's website? |
| 15:14.49 | fbs | atiwebsite? |
| 15:14.55 | randommm | yes |
| 15:15.11 | Xanbreon | I bet thats made a nice big mess |
| 15:15.23 | randommm | nice |
| 15:15.24 | fbs | fglrxinfo should work |
| 15:15.52 | randommm | shall I abilitate the contrib and nonfree archives and install the fglrx modules? |
| 15:16.07 | fbs | yeah |
| 15:16.27 | randommm | mm k how do I remove the ati shit now? |
| 15:17.45 | Xanbreon | should be a command line argument to remove it, try calling the package you downloaded with --help to see what it is |
| 15:17.49 | Xanbreon | then follow here: http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary |
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| 15:26.33 | innociv | Oh I had a bunch of /usr/sbin/sendmail running as well. |
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| 15:28.26 | Robinux | heya guys, how can i get into an X terminal from the DE? |
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| 15:30.53 | innociv | "/usr/sbin/sendmail -i -FCronDaemon -oem -root" was running, in fact. I have some trojan sending mail?.. |
| 15:31.02 | _KaszpiR_ | anyone heard about encryption for disks.partions |
| 15:31.09 | _KaszpiR_ | name like gerry? |
| 15:31.25 | _KaszpiR_ | *sounds like gerry, or something like that |
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| 15:34.19 | randommm | but if I type apt-get install fglrx-modules-2.6.32-5-amd64 it says that it does not exist |
| 15:34.50 | Xanbreon | randommm, lenny or squeeze? |
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| 15:35.17 | randommm | squeeze |
| 15:35.24 | abrotman | !tell randommm about ati |
| 15:35.29 | abrotman | !tell randommm about fglrx |
| 15:35.47 | Xanbreon | you need all the packages listed here: http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=squeeze&searchon=names&keywords=fglrx |
| 15:36.30 | abrotman | i doubt it |
| 15:36.48 | abrotman | randommm: see what the bot told you, there should be a link to a wiki page that describes how to do it correctly |
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| 15:37.02 | abrotman | randommm: http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#Squeeze |
| 15:37.02 | randommm | yeah I was following it |
| 15:37.47 | Xanbreon | I think its out of date, there doesnt seem to be prebuild kms in squeeze anymore |
| 15:37.53 | randommm | and when I type this linux-headers-2.6-$(uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,') it says: no packets found |
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| 15:38.08 | themill | randommm: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 15:38.21 | randommm | 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 15:38.23 | Xanbreon | you need; fglrx-modules-dkms fglrx-source fglrx-glx-ia32 fglrx-glx fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-atieventsd |
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| 15:38.44 | Xanbreon | Oh, derp |
| 15:39.07 | Xanbreon | randommm, linux-headers-2.6-amd64 |
| 15:39.21 | `Assassin | I just did an aptitude safe-upgrade and rebooted one of my computers. nm-applet is now gone on that computer. I tried starting it manually, but it says it's not found. Was nm-applet renamed to something else? |
| 15:39.31 | randommm | Xanbreon, what? |
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| 15:39.59 | Xanbreon | randommm, that meta package will pull in the relevant headers |
| 15:40.54 | poprocks | hey folks, I want to put debian on my server - squeeze isn't, like, *about* to come out or anything, is it? Because I don't want to install this thing only to find I have to do a whole upgrade shortly |
| 15:41.37 | randommm | Xanbreon, it says bad return status for module build on kernel |
| 15:41.59 | dsockwell | i carried an install over from lenny when it transitioned from testing to stable |
| 15:42.18 | Xanbreon | randommm, installing the fglrx stuff? |
| 15:42.26 | randommm | no the headers |
| 15:42.26 | poprocks | right, and I understand it's easy to upgrade, I've used debian in the past, but still... ;-) |
| 15:42.48 | dsockwell | ah. i have no clue as to the timetable, but this is a good place to ask. |
| 15:42.56 | Xanbreon | randommm, what, you just # aptitude installed linux-headers-2.6-amd64 right? |
| 15:43.02 | Xanbreon | -ed |
| 15:43.02 | Xanbreon | >> |
| 15:43.03 | randommm | yes |
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| 15:43.21 | Xanbreon | pastbin the whole lot |
| 15:43.54 | randommm | Xanbreon, ah it's on another pc. I'm pretty sure it's because of the ati installer... |
| 15:44.21 | stew | poprocks: squeeze will probably come out in the next few months, which would mean if you install lenny now, you'd have a year plus a few months to upgrade |
| 15:44.50 | Xanbreon | randommm, Did you remove the ait junk you manually installed? |
| 15:44.56 | randommm | yep |
| 15:44.59 | poprocks | stew: oh right, I forgot that the 'oldstable' is still supported for a bit |
| 15:45.08 | stew | poprocks: but its impossible to predict the actual squeeze release date. Since we don't even have a beta installer yet, its not THAT close though |
| 15:45.16 | poprocks | ::nod:: |
| 15:45.35 | stew | uhh, i guess we have a beta installer as of this weekend? |
| 15:45.37 | Xanbreon | randommm, restarted X? |
| 15:45.48 | poprocks | Slackware was my candidate distro for the server, but I can see this system getting out of control real easily |
| 15:47.29 | randommm | Xanbreon, as soon as I restart x nothing works :) |
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| 15:48.01 | randommm | Xanbreon, I'm in recovery mode now |
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| 15:48.23 | Xanbreon | randommm, er, when you say nothing works, you mean x doesnt start? |
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| 15:49.38 | randommm | yep |
| 15:50.12 | Trezker | I just installed debian and after basic install the gnome-desktop-environment |
| 15:50.19 | `Assassin | Does anyone know about nm-applet? I did an aptitude safe-upgrade and it's suddenly gone. I don't see it in the Debian repositories. |
| 15:50.24 | Xanbreon | del /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 15:50.30 | randommm | Xanbreon, ok I will reinstall. I have 3 identical machines and now I will try a fresh fglrx install on the other one |
| 15:50.41 | Trezker | Now I have a huuge resolution and the screen resolution program has no options, help? |
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| 15:52.01 | Xanbreon | randommm, Okies, once its running, just install linux-headers-2.6-amd64 (assuming you are installing the AMD64 version) then follow the instructions on the wiki, should work |
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| 15:52.24 | stew | `Assassin: you are probably looking for the network-manager-gnome package |
| 15:52.24 | randommm | Xanbreon, ok I'm trying |
| 15:52.30 | littlecharly | Hi |
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| 15:53.25 | Xanbreon | randommm, good luck |
| 15:53.27 | littlecharly | Does it exist a simple BIND administrator tool (GUI) ? |
| 15:54.46 | `Assassin | stew: one problem though. When I search the repositories for that package, I only find one for lenny and not squeeze. |
| 15:55.05 | stew | judd: versions network-manager-gnome |
| 15:55.07 | judd | Package network-manager-gnome on i386 -- etch: 0.6.4-6+etch1; etch-security: 0.6.4-6+etch1; lenny: 0.6.6-4+lenny1; lenny-security: 0.6.6-4+lenny1; lenny-backports: 0.7.3-1~bpo50+1; sid: 0.8.1-1; squeeze: 0.8.1-1 |
| 15:55.18 | stew | squeeze: 0.8.1-1 |
| 15:56.04 | `Assassin | You know what? Nevermind. I just don't know anything about navigating debian.org |
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| 15:56.10 | `Assassin | Thanks, stew. |
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| 15:58.10 | Robinux | hey guys how do i update kde3.5 to 4.5? "apt-get update kde" |
| 15:58.12 | Robinux | ? |
| 15:58.55 | poprocks | well this looks like a good place for me to leave... bbiab |
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| 16:01.34 | abrotman | Robinux: in which version of debian ? |
| 16:02.00 | Robinux | lenny |
| 16:02.35 | Robinux | just installed it on a vm today |
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| 16:11.44 | Trezker | how do I get screen resolution preferences to show me some options to choose from? |
| 16:12.12 | PSPdemon | wonders if theres something wrong with the debian live web builder... |
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| 16:12.49 | randommm | Xanbreon, it says: error 10 during the fglrx installation |
| 16:13.16 | randommm | Xanbreon, exactly during fglrx-modules-dkms process |
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| 16:13.33 | Robinux | is there a GUI packages manager |
| 16:13.43 | PSPdemon | cause every time it builds it says "maybe-failed" except the build log shows no errors.... |
| 16:13.50 | Robinux | for debian lenny |
| 16:14.01 | Xanbreon | randommm, got headers installed? |
| 16:14.06 | randommm | yes |
| 16:14.49 | abrotman | Robinux: lenny doesn't have kde4 |
| 16:15.00 | Xanbreon | randommm, got build-essential installed? |
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| 16:15.25 | Robinux | oh damn |
| 16:15.34 | Robinux | well thanks for responding atleast |
| 16:15.40 | Robinux | thats too bad for me i guess :( |
| 16:16.02 | randommm | Xanbreon, yes |
| 16:16.06 | Robinux | let me guess, if i was a linux guru i'd find a way to make it install kde4? |
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| 16:17.08 | Xanbreon | randommm, can you pastebin the all the errors? |
| 16:17.31 | Robinux | abrotman? |
| 16:17.47 | randommm | Xanbreon, ok lemme install an irc client there |
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| 16:18.18 | Xanbreon | randommm, okies |
| 16:18.30 | PSPdemon | yea |
| 16:18.32 | randommm | Xanbreon, the problem is that every time I try to install smt I have the same error 10 |
| 16:18.47 | PSPdemon | there is something wrong with the debian live helper frontend... |
| 16:19.03 | PSPdemon | atleast with the SID branch |
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| 16:19.51 | Xanbreon | randommm, what fglrx packages do you have installed |
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| 16:20.48 | randomm | Xanbreon, here I am from the other machine |
| 16:21.07 | randomm | Xanbreon, installed the one listed in the wiki |
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| 16:22.03 | Xanbreon | make sure you have the following installed: fglrx-modules-dkms fglrx-source fglrx-glx-ia32 fglrx-glx fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-atieventsd |
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| 16:22.23 | Xanbreon | Purge and reinstall them |
| 16:22.57 | eightfold | howdy, i'm trying to install virtualbox on lenny. it says i need linux-headers-<insert kernel version here> |
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| 16:23.06 | eightfold | can't find my kernel via synaptic though |
| 16:23.12 | eightfold | i have 2.6.32 |
| 16:23.19 | Xanbreon | eightfold, output of uname -a pleases |
| 16:23.39 | eightfold | Linux lotus 2.6.32-trunk-686 #1 SMP Thu Dec 24 05:52:30 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 16:24.01 | randomm | Xanbreon, always errors in configurating fglrx-modules-dkms |
| 16:24.23 | Xanbreon | eightfold, install linux-headers-2.6-686, you also should update your kernel |
| 16:24.30 | Xanbreon | randomm, can you paste the full error msg? |
| 16:24.42 | randomm | k 1m |
| 16:24.46 | Xanbreon | Thanks |
| 16:25.25 | eightfold | Xanbreon: i installed 2.6.26-1-686 by mistake. should i uninstall via synaptic first? |
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| 16:26.01 | randomm | Xanbreon, http://pastebin.com/0NDC4ccq |
| 16:26.53 | Xanbreon | eightfold, Yes, the package linux-image-2.6-686 will make sure you track the newest kernel |
| 16:27.30 | Xanbreon | randomm, thanks, can you also pastebin what is in the make.log in /var/lib/dkms/fglrx/10-7/build/ |
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| 16:30.01 | randomm | Xanbreon, http://pastebin.com/hpRT06Bc |
| 16:31.06 | eightfold | Xanbreon: i also selected the following for removal: http://pastebin.com/dGY7v5pt . what does "track the newest kernel" mean? |
| 16:31.58 | Xanbreon | randomm, weird, ill have to try and look up whats going wrong there |
| 16:32.19 | Xanbreon | eightfold, thats fine, and track the newest kernel means keep it upto date |
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| 16:34.04 | eightfold | Xanbreon: thanks |
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| 16:35.00 | Xanbreon | randomm, try # dkms build -m fglrx -v 10-7 -k 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
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| 16:36.29 | randomm | Xanbreon, bad return status |
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| 16:36.46 | Xanbreon | randomm, you have a pure 64bit install right? not a 64bit kernel with a 32bit userland? |
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| 16:37.09 | randomm | Xanbreon, it should be pure 64 |
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| 16:38.23 | tharkun | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:38.44 | deepy | Xorg.conf? |
| 16:38.58 | jelly-home | tharkun: is there a KVM switch in the game somewhere? |
| 16:39.06 | Xanbreon | randomm, I think I have found the problem |
| 16:40.21 | tharkun | jelly-home: ?? |
| 16:40.28 | eightfold | Xanbreon: correct me if i'm wrong, but synaptic asks me to install 2.6.26-2-686 (the one i had before) headers with 2.6-686. shouldn't this be an older, not newer, kernel than what i have (2.6.32)? |
| 16:40.32 | randomm | Xanbreon, nice! |
| 16:40.53 | Xanbreon | randomm, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=%23597478 |
| 16:41.12 | Xanbreon | eightfold, Are you running lenny or squeeze? |
| 16:41.23 | jelly-home | tharkun: can I assume that means "no, I'm connecting to the monitor directly, using no keyboard/video/mouse or just video switches"? |
| 16:43.04 | Xanbreon | randomm, looks like you may need to install fglrx from sid |
| 16:43.24 | randomm | Xanbreon, ? |
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| 16:43.55 | Psych0Pat | bonjour |
| 16:44.08 | tharkun | jelly-home: yes, connecting directly no kvm switches. Sorry for my slow thinking |
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| 16:44.58 | Xanbreon | randomm, this bug says v10.9 is effected, but you are getting the same error with 10.7 |
| 16:45.16 | randomm | Xanbreon, mmm interesting :) |
| 16:45.27 | Xanbreon | randomm, it seems to be fixed in 10-9-3 but thats in sid |
| 16:45.36 | Xanbreon | I hate fglrx sometimes |
| 16:45.57 | randomm | Xanbreon, mmm so now? What shall I do? |
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| 16:48.24 | Xanbreon | randomm, just thinking, sorry |
| 16:48.37 | randomm | Xanbreon, it's ok, I'm in your hands :) |
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| 16:49.04 | Nepherius | hmm squeeze has kde as defaul desktop manager ..that rly sux for my crappy pc :) |
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| 16:50.19 | Nepherius | uhm ..where is the damn update manager ?:) |
| 16:50.34 | BafS | Hello all ! I'm via putty and I don't have any color but when I force colors (--color) it work... any idea ? |
| 16:50.39 | jelly-home | Nepherius: oh, was there an announcement of switching to kde as default? |
| 16:50.58 | Nepherius | i dont know ..just installed it and it has kde |
| 16:51.11 | Nepherius | and cant find that stupid update manager ^^ |
| 16:51.28 | Xanbreon | randomm, edit your /etc/apt/preferences and put the following in |
| 16:51.32 | Nepherius | how do i install updated from terminal ? |
| 16:51.33 | Bushmills | !aptitude |
| 16:51.33 | dpkg | i heard aptitude is a terminal-based package manager that can be used in a command-line mode (aptitude install foo ; aptitude remove goo) as well as a text user interface mode (just run "aptitude"). Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> <aptitude ops> or see http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude |
| 16:51.39 | jelly-home | Nepherius: use aptitude. |
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| 16:51.57 | Nepherius | yea ...i need more info than that :P |
| 16:52.13 | Xanbreon | randomm, http://pastebin.com/LhxAdF2X |
| 16:52.15 | Bushmills | a keyboard is a device to enter key strokes |
| 16:52.39 | randomm | how do I open it? |
| 16:52.44 | tharkun | jelly-home: could you point me to a manpage where i can start kicking X butt to behave properly :) |
| 16:53.09 | jelly-home | Nepherius: http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude#Howtoupgradeyourdistribution |
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| 16:53.32 | randomm | Xanbreon, I have a preferences.d |
| 16:53.37 | Xanbreon | randomm, # editor /etc/apt/preferences |
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| 16:53.50 | randomm | Xanbreon, ok so I create the file? |
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| 16:53.53 | Xanbreon | Yup |
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| 16:54.32 | jelly-home | tharkun: I'd inspect the log to see why the resolution isn't correct and whether the hardware resolutions of your output devices are detected at all. |
| 16:54.51 | randomm | Xanbreon, ok done |
| 16:54.57 | Xanbreon | randomm, then add the following to your /etc/apt/sources.list = http://pastebin.com/p9TjWVyd |
| 16:55.26 | b0nghitter | i want to run xp sp3 in a vm on my debian dedi..... should i use vmware workstation 7 or something else? |
| 16:55.45 | abrotman | b0nghitter: ask #vmware |
| 16:55.58 | eightfold | Xanbreon: lenny |
| 16:56.03 | b0nghitter | they will tell me to use vmware |
| 16:56.04 | randomm | Xanbreon, k |
| 16:56.16 | eightfold | Xanbreon: but i got the image from that japanese person |
| 16:56.22 | abrotman | b0nghitter: that's what you just asked! |
| 16:56.32 | b0nghitter | i need to know which is best, virtualbox, vmware, etc |
| 16:56.34 | abrotman | randomm: don't add that line unless you want to run unstable |
| 16:56.45 | Xanbreon | eightfold, Ok, to make it easier you should install the kernel from backports |
| 16:57.03 | Xanbreon | randomm, when thats all in place # aptitude update |
| 16:57.30 | abrotman | he really should NOT be using unstable |
| 16:58.08 | Xanbreon | abrotman, its pinned so nothing will get pulled in from it |
| 16:58.09 | b0nghitter | *best on lenny..... since it's old. |
| 16:58.09 | abrotman | it's not meant for an end-user's workstation .. it does break, sometimes badly .. |
| 16:58.11 | randomm | Xanbreon, k |
| 16:58.21 | abrotman | Xanbreon: nothing? then why add the source? |
| 16:58.26 | Nepherius | tks that worked |
| 16:58.30 | Xanbreon | abrotman, should I say, nothing automatically |
| 16:58.45 | Xanbreon | eightfold, see here http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 16:58.46 | abrotman | and he probably doesn't need 'main' if it's an fglrx problem |
| 16:59.02 | Xanbreon | True |
| 16:59.33 | Xanbreon | randomm, # aptitude -t sid install fglrx-atieventsd fglrx-glx fglrx-glx-ia32 fglrx-driver fglrx-modules-dkms |
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| 17:01.18 | BafS | Sorry, I repost my question :/ : I'm via putty and I don't have any color but when I force colors (--color) it work... any idea ? |
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| 17:02.00 | randomm | Xanbreon, done. no errors now |
| 17:02.10 | tharkun | jelly-home: Defenetly it is a bug on the NOUVEA driver, when trying to use dual head. I just don't have the time now to debug it or fix it. Do You happen to know any manpage or documentation to that i should read before attempting to fix this ? |
| 17:02.11 | Xanbreon | randomm, woo, it installed correctly? |
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| 17:02.30 | randomm | Xanbreon, seems like that. what shall I try to see if it works? glxinfo? |
| 17:03.10 | eightfold | Xanbreon: thanks. and now: linux-headers-2.6.32-bpo.5-686 ? |
| 17:03.30 | Xanbreon | randomm, now you to stop the xserver, and follow this from step 4 onwards http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#Squeeze |
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| 17:04.32 | Xanbreon | eightfold, you need to install linux-headers-2.6-686 and linux-image-2.6-686 from the backports repo |
| 17:05.07 | randomm | Xanbreon, 1m I'll try |
| 17:05.18 | Xanbreon | randomm, okies, good luck |
| 17:05.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | tharkun, what does X think are the horizontal and vertical scan limits? |
| 17:05.55 | eightfold | Xanbreon: may i ask what the difference is getting them from here? |
| 17:05.58 | jelly-home | tharkun: if you already know it's a bug in the drivers, you know more than me |
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| 17:06.51 | Xanbreon | eightfold, well, first of all, I dont know where you got your kernel from, so finding the right kernel headers would be hard |
| 17:07.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | funny, my log doesn'T actually tell that, tough, it just says "(II) fglrx(0): Using EDID range info for horizontal sync" - so you might not see what it actually is |
| 17:07.30 | Xanbreon | eightfold, and backports is officialy supported etc |
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| 17:07.49 | eightfold | Xanbreon: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ is where i got it from |
| 17:08.01 | randommm | why does invoke-rc.d not work? |
| 17:08.12 | randommm | Xanbreon, unknown initscript |
| 17:08.16 | eightfold | Xanbreon: had some trouble with my hardware, and it worked with the image provided there |
| 17:09.04 | Xanbreon | eightfold, ohhh, well, thats very similar to the backports kernel, i even think its the same, but pulling it in from the b-p repo will mean its kept upto date etc |
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| 17:09.40 | Xanbreon | randomm, err try /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
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| 17:09.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | tharkun, still, wouldn't hurt to write those into xorg.conf... |
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| 17:10.28 | Xanbreon | replacing gdm xdm if you use that |
| 17:10.46 | abrotman | how about "/etc/init.d/?dm stop" ? |
| 17:10.46 | eightfold | Xanbreon: ok, i installed the two packages you said via apt-get -t lenny-backports install xxx |
| 17:10.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | eightfold, right... and that was useful for installing, switching to a kernel from backports isn't hard, though |
| 17:11.35 | Xanbreon | eightfold, now reboot, and chose that kernel from grub or whatever bootloader you use |
| 17:11.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | tharkun, is that the maximum resolution that xrandr shows for that monitor, btw? |
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| 17:12.42 | randommm | Xanbreon, module radeon is in use |
| 17:13.21 | Xanbreon | randommm, x is stoped right? |
| 17:13.24 | tharkun | CutMeOwnThroat: sorry was changing wm so i couldn't answer you as promptly as i would. How do i get the horizontal and vertical scan limits ? |
| 17:13.30 | randommm | Xanbreon, yep |
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| 17:14.45 | Sander^home | How does ia32libs really works on 64bit?.. does the whole os act as 64bit for 32bit applications? |
| 17:14.59 | Xanbreon | randommm, err |
| 17:15.17 | tharkun | The maximum resolution is the one it is supposed to use. Yesterday It detected the model of the monitor and it setted it up accordingly 1440*990. Today after gnome it no longer worked that way |
| 17:16.05 | tharkun | now i am stuck with a 1024*768 resolution on the laptops monitor and no ability to change it back :) |
| 17:16.06 | randommm | Xanbreon, also drm is in use |
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| 17:17.44 | Xanbreon | randommm, run top and make sure xorg is dead, they should unload O-o |
| 17:17.59 | randommm | yeah I'm looking at it |
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| 17:18.08 | abrotman | tharkun: did you try grandr ? |
| 17:18.29 | tharkun | abrotman: not available at this momment |
| 17:19.22 | tharkun | To connect to irc is a complicated story. For the moment i can't fetch anything through http or ftp for the matter |
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| 17:20.11 | randommm | Xanbreon, no xorg |
| 17:20.30 | abrotman | tharkun: did you try moving your xorg.conf aside ? |
| 17:20.40 | abrotman | randommm: it would be running as "X" |
| 17:20.46 | Xanbreon | randommm, is fglrx listed in lsmod |
| 17:20.49 | abrotman | IIRC anyway |
| 17:20.59 | tharkun | abrotman: nop. Since i am using squeeze i think it is not used anymore |
| 17:21.09 | abrotman | tharkun: nvidia? ati? |
| 17:22.35 | stew | tharkun: it is used if it is present, but should work fine in most cases if its not present |
| 17:23.25 | randommm | Xanbreon, no X is stopped |
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| 17:23.58 | Xanbreon | randommm, so whats the output of lsmod | grep fglrx |
| 17:24.40 | randommm | Xanbreon, lol I was trying to figure it out but my fucking layout is american in the virtual console so that means I can't see where's the | |
| 17:24.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | tharkun, as I just said... you might not, but egrep -i 'horiz|hsync' /var/log/Xorg.0.log, possibly the config you get from X -configure the options provides a hint, although I wouldn't bet on it |
| 17:24.51 | randommm | what's the ASCII combination of that |
| 17:25.03 | tharkun | abrotman: nvidia Nouveau driver |
| 17:25.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | tharkun, xorg.conf is used if it's there, if you move it away, everything is autodetected |
| 17:25.33 | stew | randommm: what do you mean? what is the ascii value of | ? |
| 17:25.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | for good or bad |
| 17:25.38 | Xanbreon | randommm, Not a clue about the american layout, but its between the left shift and z on the gb layout |
| 17:25.59 | randommm | alt 124 |
| 17:26.00 | randommm | 1m |
| 17:26.04 | abrotman | Xanbreon: he's italian |
| 17:26.40 | randommm | Xanbreon, no it's not in lsmod |
| 17:26.40 | abrotman | randommm: is 'radeon' still there? |
| 17:26.52 | randommm | yes still in use |
| 17:26.58 | abrotman | randommm: on an american keyboard, the "|" is typically shift+backslash |
| 17:27.09 | abrotman | randommm: what is the line from lsmod ? |
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| 17:27.34 | randommm | it says nothing |
| 17:27.58 | randommm | but lsmod | grep radeon gives 1 |
| 17:28.01 | abrotman | if you 'lsmod | grep -i radeon' .. nothing comes back ? |
| 17:28.03 | abrotman | oh .. okay |
| 17:28.13 | abrotman | one line? or the number 1 ? |
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| 17:28.38 | wald0 | what is the file "libfoo.symbols" in the debian directory of the deb-src packages ? |
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| 17:29.44 | Xanbreon | could try modprobe -f -r radeon |
| 17:29.54 | wald0 | or where is a channel for debian packaging ? |
| 17:30.02 | randommm | fatal still in use |
| 17:30.59 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
| 17:31.46 | tharkun | CutMeOwnThroat: no xorg.conf |
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| 17:32.17 | Xanbreon | randommm, # aptitude purge xserver-xorg-video-radeon |
| 17:32.19 | Xanbreon | Then reboot |
| 17:32.22 | Xanbreon | >>; |
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| 17:33.41 | randommm | ok it's rebooting |
| 17:33.47 | abrotman | wald0: there is a #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
| 17:33.58 | Xanbreon | I hate fglrx |
| 17:34.09 | stew | wald0: look at manpages for deb-symbols, dpkg-gensymbols, dh_shlibdeps, dh_makeshlibs et al. |
| 17:34.12 | randommm | Xanbreon, lol |
| 17:34.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | Xanbreon, then spend some time with nvidia |
| 17:34.33 | randommm | Xanbreon, I'm starting to hate it too |
| 17:34.36 | Xanbreon | I have an nVidia card, we are happy happy friends |
| 17:34.50 | randommm | Xanbreon, k now it's ready again |
| 17:34.54 | Xanbreon | randommm, when it goes wrong, it really goes wrong |
| 17:35.21 | Xanbreon | randommm, are fglrx shown on lsmod? |
| 17:35.35 | Xanbreon | *fglrx or radeon |
| 17:35.35 | randommm | Xanbreon, shall I stop x again? |
| 17:35.42 | Xanbreon | Not atm |
| 17:35.48 | randommm | k |
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| 17:36.19 | randommm | Xanbreon, yes it's there, it says 2452362 0 |
| 17:36.33 | Xanbreon | Woot |
| 17:36.49 | Xanbreon | Whats the output of fglrxinfo? |
| 17:37.02 | abrotman | is so glad he doesn't have to put up with fglrx or nvidia binary stuff |
| 17:37.14 | Xanbreon | nVidia aint bad |
| 17:37.20 | randommm | segmentation fault :S |
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| 17:37.29 | Xanbreon | ima cry |
| 17:37.47 | Xanbreon | Wait, which mod is shown in lsmod, radeon or fglrx? |
| 17:38.20 | randommm | lsmod | grep radeon -> nothing |
| 17:38.34 | randommm | lsmod | grep fglrx -> what I told you before |
| 17:38.57 | Xanbreon | okies, we are almost there, update your xorg.conf as shown here http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#Squeeze then restart x |
| 17:39.20 | tharkun | CutMeOwnThroat: it seems the only solution for the moment is to reboot since restarting x is having no effect whatsoever |
| 17:39.57 | randommm | Xanbreon, you mean create the xorg.conf |
| 17:40.01 | Xanbreon | Yup |
| 17:40.04 | randommm | k |
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| 17:41.25 | randommm | ok |
| 17:41.29 | randommm | restart x? |
| 17:41.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | tharkun, could you find out what horizontal/vertical sync limits are supposed to be? or if reading EDID was successful or not |
| 17:42.21 | Xanbreon | once the file is in place yes |
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| 17:43.46 | randommm | it does not start |
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| 17:44.54 | Xanbreon | randommm, can you pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log pleases |
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| 17:45.06 | mihkel | Hi. I try to create a bootalbe usb stick with seatools and syslinux |
| 17:45.16 | mihkel | but |
| 17:45.17 | mihkel | root:/home/mihkel# mkfs -t vfat /dev/sdb1 |
| 17:45.17 | mihkel | mkfs.vfat 3.0.9 (31 Jan 2010) |
| 17:45.17 | mihkel | root:/home/mihkel# syslinux /dev/sdb |
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| 17:45.47 | d1b | he had not pasted much... |
| 17:45.50 | d1b | mihkel: please use pastebin |
| 17:45.54 | mihkel | sorry |
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| 17:46.19 | mihkel | anyway syslinux wont install into /dev/sdb (my usb stick) |
| 17:46.33 | mihkel | syslinux: invalid media signature (not a FAT filesystem?) |
| 17:46.33 | d1b | mihkel: what is the problem? |
| 17:46.45 | d1b | why are using syslinux? |
| 17:46.46 | tharkun | CutMeOwnThroat: It does get the EDID vendor for the LVDS-1. at least on Xorg.0.log |
| 17:47.02 | randommm | holy crap it was "Indentifier" -.-' |
| 17:47.06 | tharkun | But it seems it fails for VGA-1 |
| 17:47.14 | randommm | Xanbreon, X is starting... |
| 17:47.15 | mihkel | http://pastebin.com/tppUcLFi |
| 17:47.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | tharkun, and that's the one with the wrong resolution? |
| 17:47.36 | mihkel | I use syslinux, because I don't know any other method |
| 17:47.38 | tharkun | Yes, VGA-1 is no longer on the right resolution |
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| 17:47.44 | Xanbreon | randommm, oh, its working, output of fglrxinfo? |
| 17:47.52 | mihkel | I follow this tutorial -> http://fetzig.org/2010/07/12/preparing-a-bootable-seatools-usb-drive-in-fedora/ |
| 17:48.03 | d1b | mihkel: .... |
| 17:48.12 | randommm | Xanbreon, seems like that :D It says OpenGL vendor ATI, then HD4200 bla bla :D |
| 17:48.13 | mihkel | yes |
| 17:48.17 | d1b | you want to make a live debian installation? |
| 17:48.20 | d1b | or? |
| 17:48.37 | d1b | OH i see |
| 17:48.37 | randommm | Xanbreon, and glxinfo | grep rendering says: Yes |
| 17:48.38 | mihkel | I want a bootable usb stick with seatools on it |
| 17:48.46 | Xanbreon | randommm, well, you now have a working fglrx driver, grats ;) |
| 17:48.55 | d1b | mihkel: doesn't it work? |
| 17:49.03 | d1b | some bioses are bit fidly with usb booting |
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| 17:49.12 | mihkel | no |
| 17:49.13 | mihkel | root:/home/mihkel# syslinux /dev/sdb |
| 17:49.14 | mihkel | syslinux: invalid media signature (not a FAT filesystem?) |
| 17:49.24 | randommm | Xanbreon, oh my gosh... after 5 hours things start to go in the right directions! =D |
| 17:49.28 | d1b | mihkel: sdb1 ? |
| 17:49.31 | mihkel | syslinux wont install into /dev/sdb |
| 17:49.35 | randommm | Xanbreon, mmm how can I repeat the same in the other pcs? :D |
| 17:49.41 | d1b | randommm: :) |
| 17:49.44 | Xanbreon | randommm, better late than never ;) |
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| 17:49.48 | abrotman | randommm: doesn't the OSS radeon driver support that card? |
| 17:49.49 | d1b | randommm: oh I HAVE YOUR CARD i think well almost ;) |
| 17:49.57 | d1b | abrotman: yeah it does :) |
| 17:50.17 | d1b | he just need to put modprobe radeon into the modules file for boot -> kms |
| 17:50.21 | d1b | and then use squeeze |
| 17:50.22 | d1b | :) |
| 17:50.32 | Xanbreon | randommm, Er, maybe I should have asked 5h ago, you have a specific need for fglrx right? |
| 17:51.00 | randommm | ahah yeah the final user asked for that :) |
| 17:51.05 | abrotman | but why? |
| 17:51.15 | Xanbreon | probs need fast3D |
| 17:51.16 | randommm | d1b, so what's the exact solution? Can I use OSS drivers? |
| 17:51.17 | abrotman | i think the OSS radeon driver supports that card with GL accel |
| 17:51.22 | d1b | randommm: you can. |
| 17:51.26 | d1b | abrotman: yes. |
| 17:51.39 | randommm | wow := |
| 17:51.40 | abrotman | well, at least you learned som .. eh .. probably not :) |
| 17:51.41 | randommm | :) |
| 17:51.42 | d1b | randommm: but you will need xorg from squeeze and to put radeon in the modules file so that it works on boot |
| 17:51.57 | Xanbreon | radeon was working fine |
| 17:51.58 | d1b | obviously a newer kernel too |
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| 17:52.07 | Xanbreon | hes using squeeze |
| 17:52.16 | d1b | oh goody |
| 17:52.33 | Xanbreon | the OSS driver in squeeze has working 3D for the HD 4 series but fglrx will be faster in 3D stuff |
| 17:52.34 | randommm | yep I'm on squeeze |
| 17:52.40 | Xanbreon | All depends what the end user needs |
| 17:52.41 | d1b | just put radeon in /etc/modules then just to be sure i had issues ;) |
| 17:52.49 | d1b | Xanbreon: yeah exactly |
| 17:53.11 | d1b | but if you want fglrx don't do that probably... |
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| 17:53.16 | d1b | all i know is that ut2004 runs nicely :) |
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| 17:53.38 | randommm | so what do you suggest me? Oss and no problems? |
| 17:53.52 | d1b | depends on what the user wants. |
| 17:53.55 | Xanbreon | randommm, do you know what the end user wants to use the laptop for? |
| 17:54.12 | d1b | if itis a laptop -> fglrx probably for the power saving etc. |
| 17:54.19 | Xanbreon | Thats true |
| 17:54.27 | hotwings | is there anything that will generate a debian control file based on your actual compile config? im sick of having to install a bunch of unnecessary dependencies, or hand editing them out. |
| 17:54.43 | randommm | this pc was intended also for games... |
| 17:54.46 | Xanbreon | the radeon driver has some power saving, but only with 2.6.35+ kernel and newer userspace |
| 17:54.48 | randommm | but the other two |
| 17:54.53 | randommm | no gaming stuff... |
| 17:55.10 | d1b | yeah do fglrx on that one then :) |
| 17:55.12 | Xanbreon | randommm, if you dont need gaming under linux, the radeon driver should be fine |
| 17:55.28 | d1b | why isnt it running windows for gaming? |
| 17:55.43 | Xanbreon | randommm, see here for more info: http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo |
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| 17:57.50 | wald0 | stew: so this file is autogenerated ? this could be nice because it contains a lot of version-numbers and files that i dont know how to maitain it |
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| 17:59.07 | osfd | Hi there. For a while I've been getting this error http://pastebin.com/kyi5Q13y and I can't figure out where it comes from |
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| 17:59.28 | tharkun | CutMeOwnThroat: Sorry i couldn't find the hardlimits on those logs files although the highest Hsync i found whas 55.9 and the highest vsync i found was 47.8 |
| 17:59.46 | SparFux | My module-assistant complains about a bad kernel version for my custom compiled kernel vmlinuz-2.6.36-rc7-nouveau.git-20101007. What requirements for the kernel version does it have? |
| 18:00.42 | SparFux | I thought about switching kernel version scheme locally to sth like vmlinuz-2.6.36-rc7-nouveau-2010-10-07, i.e. without "." in-name. |
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| 18:03.41 | d1b | SparFux: ... |
| 18:03.56 | SparFux | d1b: so, nothing at all? |
| 18:04.02 | tharkun | Bare with me this reasoning. If i shutdown this system. whenever i reboot X will have to fix the dynamic xorg.conf settings it is using. Maybe bringing the monitor back up. Am i right or am i missing something deadly serious on this aproach ? |
| 18:04.03 | d1b | not sure |
| 18:04.38 | SparFux | d1b: ok, well, I give it a try without the dots. |
| 18:04.51 | d1b | SparFux: seems interesting. i have no idea how it detects your version though |
| 18:05.03 | d1b | i was have thought from uname -a /proc/version |
| 18:05.14 | d1b | etc/ |
| 18:05.19 | d1b | etc.* |
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| 18:05.50 | SparFux | d1b: no, I mean, what do I have to care about when thinking of my own extraversion in kernel version. |
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| 18:06.07 | osfd | anyone have already boot from a firewire drive ? my computer can do that. Would that be different than from a usb (which my computer can not bot from...) |
| 18:06.14 | d1b | SparFux: not much afaik |
| 18:06.47 | d1b | you can build modules manually ;) |
| 18:06.53 | jhutchins_lt | SparFux: You want to develop a sustainable habit that will tell YOU exactly when and why you built this particular kernel. |
| 18:07.26 | SparFux | jhutchins_lt: exactly. But the module-assistant complains about a bad kernel version. |
| 18:07.41 | jhutchins_lt | You want to have that habit in case you come back two years from now to a machine and don't remember why you did that. |
| 18:07.51 | jhutchins_lt | SparFux: Follow the examples, simplify. |
| 18:08.00 | d1b | jhutchins_lt: if you are still running a kernel that old, i will be most amused :) |
| 18:08.10 | SparFux | jhutchins_lt: old? why? |
| 18:08.23 | jhutchins_lt | SparFux: Shorten the name. |
| 18:08.31 | SparFux | I do. |
| 18:09.02 | jhutchins_lt | d1b: I took down two boxes running 2.4 kernels this year. |
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| 18:09.18 | d1b | jhutchins_lt: 2.4 i still supported |
| 18:09.27 | d1b | 2.6.12 not so much |
| 18:09.33 | jhutchins_lt | d1b: Theoretically. Try doing it in Gentoo. |
| 18:09.33 | SparFux | like vmlinuz-2.6.36-rc7-nouveau-2010-10-07 |
| 18:09.47 | jhutchins_lt | d1b: On a production system originally built on their unstable. |
| 18:09.58 | d1b | jhutchins_lt: i use denian and debian |
| 18:10.05 | d1b | debian* |
| 18:10.38 | jhutchins_lt | Anyway, I thought he was asking about how to come up with a scheme, and it's good to have something sensible and sustainable that you can refer back to. |
| 18:10.42 | d1b | jhutchins_lt: this is not a problem, debootstrap ;) |
| 18:11.21 | SparFux | d1b: denian? |
| 18:11.23 | d1b | why put the date in the vmlinuz name? its in proc version / uname -a |
| 18:11.25 | SparFux | d1b: ah. :-) |
| 18:11.27 | d1b | SparFux: typo :) |
| 18:11.38 | SparFux | d1b: because, I do weekly git updates. |
| 18:11.47 | d1b | yes and? |
| 18:11.56 | osfd | no one knows ? |
| 18:11.57 | SparFux | and I want them all installed at the same time. |
| 18:12.13 | d1b | oh noes. ok |
| 18:12.14 | SparFux | but I can't install vmlinuz-2.6.36-rc7-nouveau and vmlinuz-2.6.36-rc7-nouveau (without date) |
| 18:12.37 | SparFux | d1b: and before fiddling with some other weird numbering scheme, why not just use ISO 8601 dates ? :-) |
| 18:12.46 | d1b | sure :) |
| 18:12.57 | d1b | you must have more kernels than i do ;) |
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| 18:13.29 | SparFux | d1b: ok, I delete frequently,too. But whatever. I always have 2 or 3 at least in parallel, just to be sure to have recovery in case some kenel dumps core. |
| 18:14.02 | SparFux | is afk now. |
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| 18:18.24 | allu2 | where is debian's offtopic chat? |
| 18:19.01 | jelly-home | !offtopic |
| 18:19.01 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 18:19.01 | abrotman | allu2: /topic ? |
| 18:19.19 | b0nghitter | is a 1.xx load avg considered "high" on a quad core xeon 2.8ghz? |
| 18:19.21 | allu2 | thanks :) |
| 18:19.26 | d1b | b0nghitter: no |
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| 18:19.42 | b0nghitter | when should i start to worry? |
| 18:19.44 | d1b | i would consider 3 or 4. |
| 18:19.47 | b0nghitter | ok thanks |
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| 18:20.02 | d1b | also in top, hit 1 to see the cpu % for each cpu |
| 18:20.21 | jelly-home | b0nghitter: load average isn't a good worrymeter by itself |
| 18:20.29 | b0nghitter | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:20.41 | jelly-home | b0nghitter: anything less than the number of cores means cores are idle. On the other hand, a constant 1.0 may mean IO issues |
| 18:20.59 | d1b | woooooo adobe.... |
| 18:21.12 | b0nghitter | 64bit :) |
| 18:21.26 | bzed | b0nghitter: 64 or 32 bit doesn't make a difference here |
| 18:21.34 | d1b | b0nghitter: more bitz! |
| 18:22.02 | d1b | yes it makes absolutely no difference |
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| 18:27.55 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 18:28.21 | lenswipe | i installed libpam-ldap on debian lenny but i gave it the wrong ldap search base by accident, what file do i edit to this this? |
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| 18:29.01 | eyeris | Are iptables rules automatically persisted across reboots? |
| 18:29.08 | tharkun | no |
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| 18:29.39 | eyeris | Is there a de facto std way to do this? |
| 18:29.46 | tharkun | http://wiki.debian.org/iptables |
| 18:29.47 | eyeris | or do I just have to write my own init script? |
| 18:30.47 | karlpinc | lenswipe: /etc/ldap/ldap.conf perhaps? If not then whatever's in pam.d that calls libpam_ldap. I forget. I seem to recall a /etc/ldap.conf, but don't see anything there. |
| 18:31.53 | lenswipe | karlpinc, i installed libpam_ldap and its that, that i gave the wrong search base for |
| 18:31.59 | lenswipe | i dont think ldap.conf would be any use |
| 18:32.28 | karlpinc | eyeris: man interfaces |
| 18:33.26 | eyeris | Thanks guys |
| 18:33.33 | lenswipe | anyone? |
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| 18:34.32 | karlpinc | eyeris: There are hooks there. (or use something like ferm) |
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| 18:35.14 | karlpinc | lenswipe: There's a config file in /etc/ for pamldap with that stuff in it. If it's not the global ldap.conf. |
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| 18:35.35 | karlpinc | lenswipe: find -name '*ldap*' /etc/ |
| 18:36.38 | lenswipe | karlpinc, whats somewhat more distressing is that i dont have root any more D: |
| 18:36.43 | lenswipe | asin root cant login |
| 18:36.46 | lenswipe | luckly im still logged in |
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| 18:38.18 | lenswipe | karlpinc, that command doesnt work btw |
| 18:38.24 | acx0 | is it okay to resize the swap partition through a live cd? the location will still be the same (/dev/sda5 in my case), I just need to make it smaller |
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| 18:39.46 | tomodachi | acx0: yes |
| 18:40.02 | Nepherius | backports works for squeeze too ? |
| 18:40.08 | tomodachi | you can actualy resize it without a livecd |
| 18:40.14 | tomodachi | if you want to grow your rootfs though |
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| 18:40.20 | tomodachi | that would be when you need the live cd |
| 18:40.28 | karlpinc | acx0: Just turn off swap. |
| 18:40.36 | acx0 | tomodachi, okay, it's just that i'm in gparted right now, since i'm changing around my partition scheme |
| 18:40.44 | acx0 | well, preparing for a windows install |
| 18:40.52 | acx0 | s/install/dual-boot |
| 18:40.56 | karlpinc | lenswipe: OOps. find /etc/ -name '*ldap*' |
| 18:41.42 | nunners | Could someone point me in the right direction.... I'd like to have the ability to setup a vpn from a debian box behind a firewall to an internet facing router, so that from the local network of the router I can access everything on the debian box... is OpenVPN the right way forward? |
| 18:42.40 | karlpinc | nunners: The debian box is where, surely not on the router's local network, right? |
| 18:43.52 | nunners | karlpinc: you're right, I'm not that stupid ;) No, it's actually at my home... I'm looking after a server for someone, and their internet connection doesn't allow vpn inbound, so thought I'd get the debain box to vpn to my home router, so I can access it from home or vpn into my router and then access the server! |
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| 18:44.14 | tomodachi | nunners: yes openvpn is very flexible, runs on a single port |
| 18:44.17 | tomodachi | and uses udp |
| 18:44.24 | karlpinc | nunners: Your home router is a debian box, or some other real computer? |
| 18:44.26 | tomodachi | and has multi plattform support, go.. |
| 18:44.44 | nunners | cool... will install it and have a play now... thanks.... |
| 18:45.18 | karlpinc | nunners: You need openvpn on both ends. |
| 18:45.52 | nunners | karlpinc: so no option of VPNing from OpenVPN to a Draytek router? |
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| 18:46.25 | karlpinc | nunners: Who knows. The router might have a better possibility of supporting ipsec. |
| 18:46.50 | nunners | karlpinc: yes it does support ipsec... will have a play... |
| 18:46.54 | tomodachi | nunners: there are routers wich support openvpn (mostly through a firmware wich allows them to run linux, like open-wrt or dd-wrt) |
| 18:47.01 | lenswipe | guys |
| 18:47.05 | karlpinc | nunners: If you can send the traffic through your router you could connect it to openvpn inside your home network. |
| 18:47.09 | lenswipe | where are the included schemas for slapd defined? |
| 18:47.21 | lenswipe | i have no slapd.conf and /etc/ldap/ldap.conf makes no mention of them |
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| 18:47.38 | karlpinc | lenswipe: Isn't the openldap stuff in /etc/openldap? |
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| 18:47.50 | tomodachi | nunners: i agree with karlpinc idea |
| 18:47.52 | lenswipe | karlpinc, nope |
| 18:47.53 | tomodachi | openvpn rocks |
| 18:48.10 | tomodachi | also you can use a preshared key or certificate to strenghten your security |
| 18:48.13 | lenswipe | root@trogdor:/etc# cd /etc/openldap |
| 18:48.13 | lenswipe | bash: cd: /etc/openldap: No such file or directory |
| 18:48.18 | lenswipe | karlpinc, see above |
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| 18:48.22 | karlpinc | nunners: Openvpn would be easier to setup than ipsec, likely. |
| 18:48.50 | karlpinc | lenswipe: Sorry, haven't done ldap in a while. Maybe it's /etc/slapd? |
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| 18:49.08 | lenswipe | karlpinc, could be |
| 18:49.16 | lenswipe | root@trogdor:/etc# cd /etc/slapd |
| 18:49.16 | lenswipe | bash: cd: /etc/slapd: No such file or directory |
| 18:49.17 | lenswipe | but no |
| 18:49.20 | cybor0 | some help name of display: :0.0 segmentation fault |
| 18:49.30 | cybor0 | glxinfo |
| 18:49.38 | lenswipe | karsten, the only directory is /etc/ldap, which has ldap.conf but which makes no mention of schemas |
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| 18:54.10 | Robinux | is php installed automatically in debian lenny? |
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| 18:55.29 | stew | Robinux: no |
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| 18:56.23 | stew | Robinux: if you select the "web-server" task during installation (or afterwards) though, you'd get it installed with apache2 |
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| 19:00.06 | km | i ran ./configure --with-apxs=/opt/apache/bin/apxs, and i get this error: |
| 19:00.21 | km | conifgure: error: C++ compiler cannot create exectuables |
| 19:00.23 | km | any ideas? |
| 19:03.10 | jelly-home | km: is g++ installed? |
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| 19:03.33 | km | yes, it in /usr/bin/gcc |
| 19:03.59 | jelly-home | km: uh, I asked about g++ as that's what configure seems to be complaining about, not gcc |
| 19:03.59 | dewqazxc | i'm having php+apache version issuse. the problem is in phpinfo() it says i'm running PHP Version 5.2.6-1+lenny9, but when i do php -i, it gives me 5.2.14 (the correctversion). i thought compiling mod_php would fix this. i'm running debian stable, but mediawiki wants the latest versions of php and libxml2 |
| 19:04.01 | km | ver 4.3.2 |
| 19:04.39 | jelly-home | km: paste the output of dpkg -l g++ libc6|tail -2 |
| 19:05.43 | lenswipe | guys theres something wrong with the package manager |
| 19:06.10 | lenswipe | my vps has phpldapadmin 1.2.0.5 installed |
| 19:06.10 | ttyS1 | Hello I just rebooted my system but it now mounts the file system as read only. how can I set it to rw |
| 19:06.25 | lenswipe | but when i run apt-get update, apt-get upgrade on my own machine it wont update phpldapadmin |
| 19:06.31 | lenswipe | it refuses to update the package |
| 19:06.37 | lenswipe | no errors |
| 19:06.38 | cahoot | ttyS1: read the logs to see why |
| 19:06.42 | lenswipe | just the package remains an old version |
| 19:07.36 | lenswipe | and one of my other machines is getting some kind of error when i run apt-get update telling me that running apt-get update will fix fix something |
| 19:07.38 | lenswipe | can someone help? |
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| 19:09.44 | ttyS1 | cahoot: syslog says no spaceleft on device. I knowthere is a file eating up all the disk space. I'm trying to remove it but I cant cause the file system is mounted as ro |
| 19:10.33 | jelly-home | ttyS1: dmesg output may give clues |
| 19:11.05 | km | jelly-home: there's no g++ |
| 19:11.32 | jelly-home | km: isn't it obvious why "C++ compiler cannot create exectuables", then? |
| 19:11.50 | km | so i need to install g++? |
| 19:11.59 | jelly-home | km: YES |
| 19:12.05 | km | thanks |
| 19:12.44 | jelly-home | g++ is pretty much the most common C++ compiler on a GNU/Linux system |
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| 19:13.43 | ttyS1 | jelly-home: it says recovery required on read only file system. write access willbe enabled during recovery |
| 19:13.49 | deepy | No! get clang! :D |
| 19:13.54 | jelly-home | km: you can also install "build-essential", which pulls in commonly used tools |
| 19:14.15 | km | ok |
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| 19:14.22 | jhutchins_lt | ttyS1: You need a rescue disk. |
| 19:14.46 | jelly-home | ttyS1: that's not all it says; can you pastebin the complete output? |
| 19:15.05 | jelly-home | ttyS1: your /dev/shm might be writable |
| 19:15.39 | ttyS1 | jelly-home: ? |
| 19:16.26 | jelly-home | ttyS1: if you need a place for a temporary file |
| 19:18.34 | ttyS1 | jelly-home: oh ok thanks |
| 19:19.47 | ttyS1 | I'm gonna try to paste it brb |
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| 19:23.59 | randommm | hi guys following the http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo I still find problems. HD4200 is the card |
| 19:24.55 | randommm | grep DRM_RADEON /boot/config-$(uname -r) says: CONFIG_DRM_RADEON_KMS is not set |
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| 19:31.39 | lenswipe | how do i check which version of a package (eg openldap, php5, apache etc..) is instaleld |
| 19:31.41 | lenswipe | installed* |
| 19:32.18 | tomodachi | lenswipe: dpkg -l |
| 19:32.22 | lenswipe | ty |
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| 19:32.29 | lenswipe | so dpkg -l packagename |
| 19:32.34 | tomodachi | lenswipe: but then again your qestion was not really difficult ,why did you direct it here instead of google? |
| 19:33.13 | lenswipe | tomaw, because i asked uncle google already and he told me how to upgrade openldap/install openldad/ a crapload of other stuff i dont wana do |
| 19:33.50 | themill | lenswipe: you want to compare "apt-cache policy $packagename" |
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| 19:35.02 | lenswipe | tomaw, for some reason that command wont give me the apache version |
| 19:35.46 | tomaw | looks at lenswipe's tab key |
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| 19:36.05 | lenswipe | replaces his tab key |
| 19:36.24 | lenswipe | tomodachi, for some reason that command wont give me the apache version |
| 19:36.31 | lenswipe | tomaw, much better :D |
| 19:36.31 | themill | lenswipe: man dpkg will tell you that you need to ask about a package that actually exists. |
| 19:36.55 | lenswipe | themill, i am asking about a package that actually exists |
| 19:36.58 | lenswipe | dpkg -l apache2 |
| 19:36.58 | dpkg | ii apache2 1.9-4.3 lenswipe's private porn collection |
| 19:37.04 | lenswipe | LMAO |
| 19:37.48 | themill | the package must also be known to dpkg (installed, removed etc) |
| 19:38.23 | lenswipe | ??? |
| 19:38.36 | lenswipe | i installed it with apt-get if thats what you mean |
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| 19:43.43 | magicCarpet | is there a channel for mozilla add-on development? |
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| 19:49.25 | dewqazxc | magicCarpet: #extensions@irc.mozilla.org read the topic |
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| 20:03.05 | dvs | exit |
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| 20:05.14 | TheOnlyJoey | Hey all, i can't find any kernel-image packages in Sid/Unstable, and really need to update, anyone know why? |
| 20:05.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | linux-image |
| 20:05.44 | TheOnlyJoey | doh |
| 20:05.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, kernels |
| 20:05.49 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.36-rc6-686 (2.6.36~rc6-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-24); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-23); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-23~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-25lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 20:06.12 | TheOnlyJoey | haha guess i really should not my coffee brakes -_- sorry XD |
| 20:06.36 | fbs | btw hows the progress on squeeze/ |
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| 20:06.56 | stew | fbs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical ? |
| 20:07.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | it'll be a squeeze to get it released this year |
| 20:07.08 | davidrichfield | W: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 Hash Sum mismatch |
| 20:07.12 | davidrichfield | What gives? |
| 20:07.13 | magicCarpet | dewqazxc: thanks |
| 20:07.21 | fbs | CutMeOwnThroat: i was worried about that |
| 20:07.28 | TheOnlyJoey | thanks CutMeOwnThroat :) |
| 20:07.31 | TheOnlyJoey | im off |
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| 20:08.01 | davidrichfield | I've tried apt-get clean and apt-get clean all. Didn't work. |
| 20:08.26 | fbs | manual download? |
| 20:08.29 | stew | davidrichfield: apt-get clean removes previously downloaded .deb files, it would have nothing to do with this |
| 20:08.38 | davidrichfield | Oh, OK. |
| 20:08.39 | fbs | or manaul hash check |
| 20:08.39 | stew | davidrichfield: when I download the file by hand now the md5sum matches |
| 20:08.51 | davidrichfield | OK, I'll give that a shot. |
| 20:08.59 | stew | wget -O- http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 2>/dev/null | md5sum |
| 20:09.06 | stew | 06f95df548b55d626e649b35c6ef9b49 - |
| 20:09.12 | stew | which matches http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/Release |
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| 20:09.38 | stew | davidrichfield: if you continue to get errors, it would help to know what IP address you are hitting |
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| 20:12.07 | davidrichfield | OK, I just did a manual download of the file, and my md5sum is d693672ceff6e74004c0711b0adcdc78 Packages.bz2, |
| 20:12.48 | stew | davidrichfield: from which ip address? |
| 20:13.41 | davidrichfield | How do I figure that out? Host security.debian.org gives a whole list of IP addresses, of course. |
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| 20:14.28 | stew | davidrichfield: wget tells you which ip it used |
| 20:14.35 | stew | Connecting to security.debian.org|128.101.240.212|:80... connected |
| 20:14.55 | davidrichfield | 128.101.240.212 |
| 20:15.17 | stew | davidrichfield: somehting is very wrong then |
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| 20:15.29 | stew | as I'm getting a different file from the same server |
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| 20:15.34 | davidrichfield | That is strange!!!! |
| 20:15.58 | davidrichfield | Maybe there's a proxy at some point that hasn't updated its cache? |
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| 20:16.27 | stew | you really don't want that to happen for security.debian.org, since that allows for replay attacks |
| 20:16.37 | davidrichfield | Sure. |
| 20:16.51 | davidrichfield | I'm connecting from a dsl line from a national ISP. |
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| 20:17.10 | davidrichfield | I don't know how their caching setup works. |
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| 20:18.22 | davidrichfield | Is there some way that I could feed the correct file to apt if I could download it via some other channel? |
| 20:19.28 | LV-426 | davidrichfield, apt-get -D install package-foo, dpkg -i package foo ? |
| 20:19.57 | davidrichfield | No, the package list file (Packages.bz2) from security.debian.org |
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| 20:20.36 | stew | davidrichfield: do you really want to do that? start ignoring the security framework which is trying to keep you from getting packages which have been altered by an unknown party? |
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| 20:21.01 | raven | hello |
| 20:21.05 | stew | well, i guess you can still check the signature of the Release file |
| 20:21.15 | raven | anyone using/used openMOSIX with debian? |
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| 20:21.28 | davidrichfield | stew, yep, I was thinking of downloading it from my freeshell account. |
| 20:21.39 | stew | davidrichfield: /var/lib/apt/lists is the directory its trying to populate |
| 20:21.50 | manhunter | will it install debian squeeze with kde or gnome ? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/multi-arch/iso-cd/ |
| 20:21.53 | manhunter | will it install debian squeeze with kde or gnome ? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/multi-arch/iso-cd/ |
| 20:22.02 | manhunter | 619MB |
| 20:22.40 | stew | manhunter: none unless you choose a 'desktop' install, if you choose a 'desktop' install it would install gnome unless you pass an argument to the installer to tell it you want kde or xfce instead |
| 20:22.57 | stew | manhunter: you can always, of course, just not install the desktop task and install what you actually want after the install is complete |
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| 20:23.37 | manhunter | stew: i mean , is kde or gnome available with that cd ? or it will install gnome/kde from internet as netinstaller does |
| 20:23.40 | manhunter | ? |
| 20:24.21 | raven | anyone using/used openMOSIX with debian? |
| 20:24.31 | stew | manhunter: from the internet |
| 20:25.32 | manhunter | stew: so it is just like this 192MB ?http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 20:25.42 | stew | manhunter: i believe so |
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| 20:26.24 | km | i behind a proxy, what do need to do to get apt-get work behind a proxy? |
| 20:27.10 | xyan | km: allow dns and http/ftp traffic depending on what mirrors you are using |
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| 20:27.25 | ihsw | has anyone got any ideas for installing frostwire on an x84_64-based system? |
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| 20:27.54 | stew | km: either set the http_proxy environment variable (which will affect things other than just apt-get) or configure the proxy in apt.conf (man apt.conf) |
| 20:28.25 | km | what do i need to do to setup http_proxy? |
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| 20:28.59 | manhunter | stew: but some months before , there were squeeze-kde.iso or squeeze-gnome-iso,why are those not here ? |
| 20:30.21 | stew | manhunter: there were daily builds of them? or the alpha/weekly builds |
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| 20:31.08 | manhunter | stew: oh,there are here ,http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_di_alpha1/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 20:31.10 | jhutchins_lt | manhunter: Just joining in, but: becuase a) there is no official squeeze installer, and b)It's squeeze, it's testing, things change. Function is not guaranteed. |
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| 20:32.59 | jhutchins_lt | manhunter: Standard procedure is to install base system then install whichever desktop you want. Many people do not choose gnome or kde. |
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| 20:33.44 | jhutchins_lt | manhunter: If you need a pre-configured CD to do that for you, squeeze is not ready for you yet, unless you can make one yourself. |
| 20:33.52 | tharkun | Gentlemen How do i set up a new mode on a monitor that it is no longer present ? |
| 20:34.41 | manhunter | jhutchins_lt: when will it be ready? |
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| 20:36.30 | Robinux | how do i move up in a console window again?\ |
| 20:36.32 | km | wow! it seem to be working after a add Acquire::http:Proxy from this doc: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/177 |
| 20:36.50 | Robinux | shift+pgup? right? .....damn that ain't working |
| 20:37.21 | manhunter | jhutchins_lt: "Many people don't use gnome or kde!!" so what do they use? |
| 20:38.07 | dsockwell | i like awesomewm |
| 20:38.15 | dsockwell | xfce is also good if you're not a weirdo like me |
| 20:38.28 | dsockwell | or else you could go headless and just not bother with X |
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| 20:38.47 | manhunter | jhutchins_lt: which do you use? |
| 20:39.48 | jhutchins_lt | manhunter: I've always been very comfortable with kde, and very uncomfortable with gnome. I find xfce interesting, but I don't know it well enough to be efficient, so I use kde. |
| 20:40.08 | manhunter | jhutchins_lt: kde 4.4 ? |
| 20:40.39 | jhutchins_lt | manhunter: I run older hardware, and I'm concerned that even with newer hardware kde4 has significantly sacrificed functionality for style, and many programs such as Amarok still don't work as well as their 3.5 versions. |
| 20:40.41 | manhunter | when will we get debian squeeze ready? |
| 20:40.51 | dsockwell | i don't know who told me that xfce was made to emulate kde |
| 20:40.59 | dsockwell | if not based on it |
| 20:41.08 | dsockwell | but it's quite similar |
| 20:41.16 | jhutchins_lt | manhunter: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical |
| 20:41.18 | Xanbreon | what, xfce is nothing like kde |
| 20:41.23 | Xanbreon | if anything its more like gnome |
| 20:41.25 | jhutchins_lt | manhunter: When green line approaches 0. |
| 20:41.43 | jhutchins_lt | Xanbreon: That may well be true. |
| 20:42.02 | Xanbreon | It doesnt even use QT :P |
| 20:42.05 | Xanbreon | Its all gtk |
| 20:42.06 | jhutchins_lt | Xanbreon: I didn't say it was like kde. I said it was an alternative that I'm less familiar with. |
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| 20:42.36 | Xanbreon | Someone said something, i dunno |
| 20:42.41 | Xanbreon | :P |
| 20:42.43 | jhutchins_lt | I'm a system administrator, 90% of my real work is in the console. |
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| 20:42.54 | manhunter | one use gtk , one use qt , nothing else,no difference |
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| 20:43.03 | manhunter | may be kde is slower |
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| 20:43.37 | jhutchins_lt | manhunter: There have been points at which the kde code was much cleaner and more efficient, that comes and goes. |
| 20:43.45 | Xanbreon | KDE has shiny on the shiny with extra shiny |
| 20:44.10 | jhutchins_lt | manhunter: KDE also has a philosophy closer to user empowerment than to user protection and appears to me to be more customizable. |
| 20:44.52 | jhutchins_lt | KDE doesn't tend to launch a dozen processes to read mail, then cause those processes to persist beyond logout, which Gnome has done (and I hear still does). |
| 20:45.13 | deepy | xfce <3 |
| 20:45.13 | robokop | for some reason my lan connection is failing randomly, after i run dhclient i get the same ip adress but it works again for 5 minutes or so untill it fails again |
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| 20:45.26 | jhutchins_lt | However, we approach a DE war, which is explicitly off-topic here. To each his own. |
| 20:45.51 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah, I need a better connection monitor than Nagios that will tell me more accurately when it went down and for how long. |
| 20:45.52 | Xanbreon | Dig the trenches, put up the barricades |
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| 20:46.11 | jhutchins_lt | Nagios is alerting me ok, but it's not analysing the trends correctly. |
| 20:46.25 | deepy | you can tell nagios to do checks every 5th second if you wantt |
| 20:46.45 | jhutchins_lt | I had a package that did that, specifically for providing accurate data to badger your ISP with. |
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| 20:51.45 | mst | I'm on lenny, I have lenny-backports and -sloppy in /etc/apt/sources.list, but installing postgresql-9.0 is complaining it's going to install the libpq5 from stable rather than lenny-backports - can anybody tell me what silly mistake I've made? |
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| 20:59.10 | queso | Is there a way to search package descriptions in aptitude? |
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| 21:01.29 | tharkun | aptitude ~dcharacteristic |
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| 21:04.48 | queso | tharkun: doesn't work |
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| 21:05.26 | stew | queso: he means "aptitude search '~dsomething" |
| 21:05.32 | stew | with a close ' |
| 21:05.41 | yang | is it ok to simply move the "locate" cron script from /etc/cron.daily to /etc/cron.weekly ? |
| 21:05.50 | queso | tharkun, stew: thx |
| 21:05.52 | tharkun | queso: sorry stew is right i missed the search |
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| 21:07.24 | queso | aptitude search '~dpg_standby' is rather difficult to remember! |
| 21:07.32 | jeromeg | hello guys |
| 21:08.01 | jeromeg | I have a problem, I can't access my consoles (CTRL + ALT + Fx) |
| 21:08.13 | jeromeg | on tty1 I have a log displayed |
| 21:08.34 | jeromeg | looks like an upower log, with green and blue lines |
| 21:08.49 | jeromeg | has anyone heard about a similar issue? |
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| 21:09.08 | stew | queso: is "aptitude search '?description("pg_standby")'" easier to remember? |
| 21:10.42 | queso | stew: where is documentation located on this? man aptitude doesn't have that in it. |
| 21:11.36 | dewqazxc | is it practical to run debian stable and testing? |
| 21:11.53 | yang | jeromeg: check the /etc/inittab settings |
| 21:11.56 | yang | 1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1 |
| 21:11.57 | yang | 2:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty2 |
| 21:11.58 | robokop | for some reason my lan connection is failing randomly, after i run dhclient i get the same ip adress but it works again for 5 minutes or so untill it fails again <-- any ideas what could cause thist |
| 21:11.59 | dewqazxc | more or less, i just want a few packages from testing, but everything else from stable |
| 21:12.00 | yang | add more there |
| 21:12.05 | robokop | s/t$// |
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| 21:13.20 | jeromeg | yang: I already have 6, isn't that enough? |
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| 21:21.48 | TheOnlyJoey | Hey all, i am runing latest sid, and want to mount a floppy, but i do not seem to have /dev/fd0 only /dev/fd/0 1 255 3 and it seems that that does not do anything |
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| 21:22.05 | the_file | hi |
| 21:22.14 | the_file | will debian wheezy be release in 2011?. |
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| 21:22.38 | the_file | I just want to know when wheezy will be available |
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| 21:31.41 | TheOnlyJoey | no floppy users around? :P |
| 21:32.57 | robokop | for some reason my lan connection is failing randomly, after i run dhclient i get the same ip adress but it works again for 5 minutes or so untill it fails again <-- any ideas what could cause this? |
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| 21:40.13 | xyan | TheOnlyJoey: did you try to modprobe floppy? |
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| 21:40.57 | TheOnlyJoey | xyan: haha yeah that worked, thanks |
| 21:41.12 | TheOnlyJoey | xyan: thats my second facepalm of the day, time for coffee XD |
| 21:41.30 | xyan | let it be a huge one ;-) |
| 21:42.11 | TheOnlyJoey | haha yeah XD |
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| 21:43.17 | TheOnlyJoey | thanks man |
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| 21:44.34 | crouton | hey guys.. is there a GUI tool for uninstall/install'ing packages in debian? i installed the xfce desktop. |
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| 21:47.19 | wad | I did "man apt-get" and can see how to ignore a hold, but not how to put a hold on a package. I want a certain package to not be upgraded. Ideas? |
| 21:47.41 | qq- | !hold |
| 21:47.41 | dpkg | i guess hold is a status flag that tells the package manager not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package: 'echo <package> hold|dpkg --set-selections'. It is also possible to use aptitude: 'aptitude hold <package>'. Note that the hold flag set using aptitude might be ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager and Synaptic), but aptitude will respect the hold set in the dpkg database. |
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| 21:48.05 | wad | thanks qq- |
| 21:48.10 | qq- | np |
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| 21:48.47 | wad | So I did that, how can I see which packages have a hold on them now? |
| 21:49.17 | bizzle_ | is there a way to restore the /etc/apache2 folder back to the default before i screwed up my configs and now apache won't run at all? i just want the stock contents of that folder back |
| 21:50.02 | wad | bizzle_, well, one way would be to fire up a virtual machine (using virtualbox), and install a fresh apache2 in there. Then grab the folder and run. ;) |
| 21:50.40 | bizzle_ | i was hoping i wouldn't have to do all that. like if there was a way to have it reinstall the package with all fresh configuration |
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| 21:51.23 | themill | bizzle_: /msg dpkg confmiss; the package you need to reinstall is apache2.2-common (plus perhaps other packages that dropped files into /etc/apache2/conf.d) |
| 21:52.26 | joejc | how do i uninstall the crappy ati drivers? |
| 21:52.43 | LV-426 | bizzle_, dpkg -x /var/cache/apt/archives/apache2.2-common... /foo |
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| 21:56.30 | bizzle_ | lv-426, i just tried that, it gave no output and changed nothing |
| 21:58.00 | dewqazxc | are there wildcards for aptitude or apt-get? |
| 21:58.00 | LV-426 | bizzle_, it should extract apache alonge with the contents of /etc to /foo. dpkg --force-confmiss is better though... |
| 21:58.05 | bizzle_ | well now i got the folder restored, i did it as "sudo dpkg -x /var/cache/apt/archives/apache2.2-common_2.2.9-10+lenny8_powerpc.deb /" |
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| 21:58.13 | bizzle_ | and it restored the folder |
| 21:58.21 | bizzle_ | but now when i try to start apache i just get a different error |
| 21:58.27 | themill | LV-426, bizzle_: it won't however run the init scripts. |
| 21:58.57 | bizzle_ | well all i did was modify some virtualhost stuff from webmin and it shouldn't have touched anything outside of /etc/apache2 |
| 21:59.06 | themill | dewqazxc: aptitude has a powerful search syntax that can do package name matching and much more for install/remove/search etc. /msg dpkg aptitude search |
| 21:59.22 | bizzle_ | should i do sudo aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall apache2? |
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| 21:59.51 | themill | bizzle_: except the package you want is apache2.2-common, yes. |
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| 22:00.01 | bizzle_ | ok trying that, thanks |
| 22:00.10 | mplabs | Hello! |
| 22:00.19 | mplabs | I just installed an application. Is there any better way to execute it than trying to guess the name of the executable ? I can't find it in the menu but I'm sure it's installed since I can see it installed in aptitude. |
| 22:00.36 | bizzle_ | still doesn't work. still cranks out errors when i go to start apache now, even with default config |
| 22:00.39 | themill | mplabs: dpkg -L $packagename |
| 22:01.12 | tharkun | CutMeOwnThroat: I managed to create the missing mode for the display using cvt, then added the mode to the specific display i had trouble with. Finally i switched to that mode. Thx for the patience |
| 22:01.30 | themill | bizzle_: it's hard to guess what your errors are from this end. Plus you don't have the default config yet, other packages will have dropped files into /etc/apache2 as well. |
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| 22:01.50 | bizzle_ | i deleted /etc/apache2 all together before running those commands |
| 22:02.15 | themill | bizzle_: the output of "dpkg -S /etc/apache2" might be instructive |
| 22:02.18 | bizzle_ | i'll just do a clean install .. at this point i can't trust it. i just started setting it up anyway |
| 22:02.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | tharkun, doh... you normally don't need to do that...was that a somewhat unusual resolution? |
| 22:02.48 | bizzle_ | it just says "apache2.2-common: /etc/apache2" |
| 22:03.13 | tharkun | CutMeOwnThroat: 1440x900 but since i played with gnome it wouldn't be picked up automagically |
| 22:03.27 | tharkun | Quite frustrating |
| 22:04.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, my laptop had 1400x1050, haven't seen that one, so dunno... I think this is all supposed to work automagically via those EDIDS these days... and heaven knows where the effective modelines come from |
| 22:05.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | probably xorg just calculates them from refresh rates and resolution... |
| 22:05.52 | tharkun | Well i took a look yesterday to the resolution and i noticed that it wass the same as my normal didsplay so i started from there on |
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| 22:24.16 | dokma | is this such a bad way to transfer old system to the new metal? cat /dev/hda | ssh -q root@178.162.174.92 'cat > /dev/sda' |
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| 22:25.10 | dokma | with the obvious kernel upgrade and swap and main partition resize... |
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| 22:25.33 | stew | dokma: and possible swap and main partition rename in bootloader in fstab |
| 22:25.39 | PSPdemon | ugh... |
| 22:25.49 | PSPdemon | debian live helper isnt working |
| 22:26.03 | dokma | steffen--: exactly .... so it isn't a bad idea at all? |
| 22:26.04 | robokop | for some reason my lan connection is failing randomly, after i run dhclient i get the same ip adress but it works again for 5 minutes or so untill it fails again <-- any ideas what could cause this?? |
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| 22:26.31 | PSPdemon | or rather that its broken |
| 22:26.43 | PSPdemon | ( the cgi web frontend version is atleast.... ) |
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| 22:26.54 | dokma | stew: exactly .... so it isn't a bad idea at all? |
| 22:27.00 | metalfoo | robokop: What's your lease? |
| 22:28.12 | dokma | stew: do you know of any imaginative way to tell how much data has been transfered using the above method |
| 22:28.41 | dokma | stew: the only clues I've got was a speed test that yielded 11.5MB/s and the source disk is 80GB |
| 22:29.01 | robokop | nnnnnnnnnnwhere can i see that |
| 22:29.10 | dokma | I tested using scp so I assume that the speed would be about the same |
| 22:29.13 | stew | salvin: send it sigusr1 |
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| 22:29.20 | stew | dokma: send it sigusr1 |
| 22:29.25 | stew | salvin: do no such thing |
| 22:29.49 | dokma | stew: aahhh.... I didn't know that trickery... what does it do ? |
| 22:30.03 | dokma | stew: to the ssh process? |
| 22:30.09 | stew | dokma: to the dd process |
| 22:30.32 | robokop | metalfoo: where can i see that? |
| 22:30.33 | dokma | stew: it's not dd it's ordinary cat.... |
| 22:30.40 | stew | dokma: oh, right, then no |
| 22:30.57 | metalfoo | robokop: You spoke about dhclient, you were using. It tells you about your lease time. |
| 22:31.20 | dokma | stew: the target rescue system doesn't even have iostat so I can't verify the speed |
| 22:31.29 | dokma | it should end about now.... |
| 22:32.13 | robokop | metalfoo: renewal in 11244 seconds |
| 22:32.30 | dokma | but if something is wrong in my calculation I could end up waiting till the morning |
| 22:32.42 | crouton | well, i'm reinstalling it now.. with gnome instead of xfce. |
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| 22:33.30 | metalfoo | robokop: Ok, I thought that could probably correlate with your timeouts. That's apparently not the case, since you mentioned 5 minutes. |
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| 22:34.21 | robokop | metalfoo: yeah, 11244 secs > 3hours, 3 hours > 5 minutes :P |
| 22:36.26 | robokop | metalfoo: and it most likely has to do something with my debian install, cause the same machine running bsd or windows doesn't have this problem |
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| 22:37.06 | metalfoo | Take a look on dmesg once it occurs. The kernel should croak it there's something suspicous/going wrong |
| 22:39.19 | robokop | metalfoo: thanks, looks like my wireless card + wpa_supplicant is trying to get attention |
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| 22:47.03 | dokma | anyone knows if cat /dev/hda | ssh -q root@178.162.174.92 'cat > /dev/sda' |
| 22:47.12 | roe | How would I tell why gallery 2 is not in squeeze? |
| 22:47.16 | dokma | could cause some filesystem problems such as bad block size or similar? |
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| 22:48.19 | roe | ah, nm I think I found it in the bug reports: "Serious (policy violations or makes package unfit for release)" |
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| 22:57.29 | jpinx-eeepc | dokma: what are you trying to do? |
| 22:57.50 | dokma | transfer the system to bare metal |
| 22:59.29 | jpinx-eeepc | dokma: use dd ? |
| 22:59.41 | dokma | jpinx-eeepc: over ssh? |
| 23:00.36 | jpinx-eeepc | personally never tried, but worth a shot |
| 23:01.19 | jpinx-eeepc | dokma: your method will be ok if source and destination are physically identical |
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| 23:01.38 | dokma | jpinx-eeepc: they aren't that's why I'm asking |
| 23:01.53 | stew | or if the destination is larger |
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| 23:03.14 | jpinx-eeepc | dd over ssh is something o explore... |
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| 23:08.49 | TheOnlyJoey | Hey again, since the update to latest kernel, my wireless card outputs a eth0: link is not ready (tried serveral), i am using a router without encryption so cant figure out what the problem is |
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| 23:09.15 | TheOnlyJoey | (latest sid kernel btw) |
| 23:10.04 | TheOnlyJoey | hmm the old kernel also seems to have the same issue |
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| 23:13.26 | streuner | so it never worked before? |
| 23:13.42 | metalfoo | TheOnlyJoey: You may need to install non-free firmware |
| 23:13.57 | metalfoo | Ask dmesg, it will tell you. |
| 23:14.23 | TheOnlyJoey | metalfoo: already installed a firmware for both my wireless cards |
| 23:14.48 | metalfoo | The approiate and are they found? |
| 23:14.52 | streuner | is the NIC supported at all? |
| 23:15.19 | TheOnlyJoey | metalfoo: they should work, they worked before the update |
| 23:15.33 | TheOnlyJoey | reinstalled the firmware the same way after the update |
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| 23:17.15 | crouton | hey guys.. |
| 23:19.14 | crouton | i installed debian from the first dvd and want to add latex and gcc to it. i can see which packages is needed for gcc but under the "TeX Authoring" section in the Synaptic Package Manager, there're so many things. |
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| 23:21.18 | TheOnlyJoey | metalfoo: any idea what the problem could be? |
| 23:21.30 | rking | Any recommendations for programs to use to create math tutorial videos for Youtube? |
| 23:22.41 | TheOnlyJoey | metalfoo: dmesg looks good, only error i get is: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready |
| 23:22.49 | rking | Maybe something along the lines of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voRzyXi4CGg |
| 23:23.07 | themill | crouton: if you have stacks of disk space then just install the "texlive" package and everything that comes with it. If you know the specific tex packages you want, then use apt-file to work out what debian package they are in (/msg dpkg apt-file) |
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| 23:23.13 | metalfoo | TheOnlyJoey: You didn't mention your chipset? |
| 23:23.37 | TheOnlyJoey | metalfoo: oh its a intel ipw2100 |
| 23:24.21 | TheOnlyJoey | but also a prism54 i have is not working |
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| 23:24.48 | metalfoo | Don't know about that, maybe a firmware issues. Ever tried to google for firmware related issues? The chipset itself is for sure supported. |
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| 23:25.14 | TheOnlyJoey | metalfoo: what i said before i had it working. both chipsets, but after a update it stoped working and i got that error |
| 23:25.40 | metalfoo | Did you upgrade the userspace too? udev and foos? |
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| 23:26.26 | arif_ali | Does anyone have any experience in preseeding lenny using the netboot image and the first CD of lenny |
| 23:26.41 | arif_ali | I keep getting !! ERROR: Bad archive mirror |
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| 23:27.09 | crouton | sorry guys. my little cousins are driving me NUTS |
| 23:27.34 | TheOnlyJoey | metalfoo: could not upgrade udev before installing the new kernel |
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| 23:27.37 | Sim00n | Does anyone know how much resources would KDE get on VPS Debian based machine ? |
| 23:29.07 | TheOnlyJoey | metalfoo: the only problem is that i can't install the new udev because of the lacking of networking |
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| 23:29.31 | metalfoo | Download the package manually as you are online right now and install it by hand? |
| 23:30.31 | TheOnlyJoey | haha the only transfer posibility i have right now tot that system is by floppy and i dont think udev would fit on one |
| 23:31.22 | metalfoo | http://packages.debian.org/sid/udev it does. |
| 23:31.24 | metalfoo | Twice :p |
| 23:31.34 | TheOnlyJoey | oh great :D will try that then |
| 23:31.36 | metalfoo | No, 3 times! |
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| 23:35.48 | arif_ali | anyone out there with any clues on preseed?? or how to debug? |
| 23:43.57 | TheOnlyJoey | metalfoo: i think udev fixed it, rebooting now |
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| 23:48.50 | crouton | why doesn't the debian installer ask for the packages you'd like to install? it just asks for the web server, file server, dns server, etc. |
| 23:49.49 | TheOnlyJoey | metalfoo: noops still the same problem |
| 23:49.54 | ranix | it doesn't need to ask, crouton |
| 23:49.59 | ranix | tell it not to install any of those |
| 23:50.05 | ranix | and then install them yourself via apt |
| 23:50.22 | themill | crouton: you can choose what packages you want install at any time after the installation. Just tell it to only install the "standard" system at that stage. |
| 23:50.33 | ranix | I prefer to not even install that |
| 23:50.54 | crouton | hmm okay. so you have to install each individual package manually through the command-line? |
| 23:51.25 | ranix | crouton: there are packages called meta-packages that contain other packages. For example, to install all of XFCE, you can just apt-get install xfce4 |
| 23:51.33 | themill | crouton: what are you looking for? you don't like the pre-defined groups and you don't like individual packages ... |
| 23:51.35 | ranix | crouton: or you can apt-get install xorg |
| 23:51.59 | crouton | ahh okay. that's what i wanted to know. now, how can i find the names of these meta-packages? |
| 23:52.03 | ranix | so you don't need to go installing xserver-xorg-video-foo and all of its little dependencies manually |
| 23:52.09 | crouton | for example, is there a meta-package for latex? |
| 23:52.19 | ranix | apt-cache search latex |
| 23:52.29 | crouton | i see |
| 23:52.38 | themill | crouton: [00:23] <themill> crouton: if you have stacks of disk space then just install the "texlive" package and everything that comes with it. If you know the specific tex packages you want, then use apt-file to work out what debian package they are in (/msg dpkg apt-file) |
| 23:53.29 | crouton | yes, i just wanted the meta-package and then i can fine-tune things by removing/adding things underneath. |
| 23:53.51 | fismoll8 | does anyone here use 64studio, or debian testing for music production? |
| 23:53.53 | crouton | okay, this helps a lot. thanks guys. |
| 23:53.59 | themill | crouton: that won't do what you want. That will remove the meta package and then everything else that it installed with it |
| 23:54.14 | crouton | ah i see |
| 23:54.48 | crouton | well, okay. since i don't even know what the dependencies for certain packages may be, i just wanted a meta-package that would take care of that. |
| 23:54.59 | crouton | for example, if i wanted to installed gcc |
| 23:55.06 | ranix | enjoy your debian adventure |
| 23:55.20 | ranix | !anyone |
| 23:55.20 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 23:55.56 | jpinx-eeepc | fismoll8: audacity ? |
| 23:56.16 | themill | crouton: just install the things you want and worry about finer details later. Don't get wound up about a few kB of disk space here and there until your hard disk is 95% full like all of mine.... |
| 23:56.28 | fismoll8 | jpinx-eeepc: you use just audacity, or things like ardour and rosegarden as well |
| 23:56.34 | fismoll8 | i was looking into using debian for music production |
| 23:56.47 | fismoll8 | i have read great things about 64studio in particular |
| 23:56.47 | jpinx-eeepc | fismoll8: rosegarden works well enough |
| 23:57.08 | jpinx-eeepc | but it's been a while since I used it |
| 23:57.21 | crouton | cool. thanks themill. oh. and you think 45 gb is good for a dev environment using a debian virtual machine? |
| 23:57.23 | jpinx-eeepc | ,versions rosegarden |
| 23:57.24 | judd | Package rosegarden on i386 -- etch: 1:1.4.0-1; lenny: 1:1.7.0-1; sid: 1:10.04.2-1+b1; squeeze: 1:10.04.2-1+b1 |
| 23:57.33 | JackWinter | hi there, am writing a readme for a wine driver (wineasio) that i'm finishing off. need to know where debian (and thus) ubuntu installs wine libs, both for debian32, and 32/64 wine under debian64? |
| 23:57.42 | ranix | crouton: 45gb of what |
| 23:57.47 | fismoll8 | jpinx-eeepc: i'm at a bit of a dilemma as I don't want to dual boot debian and macosx, but feel that music can't be made comfortably in debian |
| 23:57.48 | themill | fismoll8: we can't really tell you much about 64studio -- it's Yet Another debian derivative.... try #64studio |
| 23:57.49 | arif_ali | I am trying preseed debian lenny over the network, but I am getting "!! ERROR: Bad archive mirror", I was wondering if anyone would have an ideas? |
| 23:57.58 | crouton | sorry, hard disk space ranix. |
| 23:58.01 | fismoll8 | themill: thank you |
| 23:58.25 | fismoll8 | themill: unfortunately, there are three people in the 64studio room |
| 23:58.29 | arif_ali | I have copied the contents of the first cd and exported that as a repository, and created a preseed file according to the howtos |
| 23:58.57 | themill | JackWinter: last time I looked, the debian and ubuntu packages for wine looked quite different. packages.debian.org and packages.ubuntu.com will give you file listings. |
| 23:59.11 | arif_ali | upto now all the ubuntu preseed files have worked for me, but having problems with debian |
| 23:59.14 | jpinx-eeepc | fismoll8: you need to try stuff out - music making is very personal.. |
| 23:59.36 | JackWinter | fismoll8: not that i ever tried it, but i hear good things about #kxstudio |
| 23:59.48 | TheOnlyJoey | metalfoo: really weird, it seems to connect on shutting down? 0_P |
| 23:59.50 | fismoll8 | jpinx-eeepc: well, if I can't load vst files comfortably in debian software, trying things out will be a complete waste of time |
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| 23:59.57 | fismoll8 | on the other hand, I adore debian |
| 23:59.59 | themill | crouton: I don't have any debian installs larger than about 4-6GB. Data is always going to be the larger component. |
