| 00:00.09 | danols | k i'll think this over maybe client-support@ourdomain could work |
| 00:00.10 | danols | thanks |
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| 00:08.12 | alkii | does anybody here use a web-based server/system management system? |
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| 00:11.10 | jpinx-eeepc | !anyone |
| 00:11.10 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 00:12.30 | alkii | pf :P |
| 00:12.33 | qq- | !webmin |
| 00:12.33 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://bugs.debian.org/343897 about the removal from Debian. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 00:12.49 | alkii | ok, can you recommend something like this? I know everybody hates on poor webmin. |
| 00:12.59 | alkii | ok |
| 00:13.07 | qq- | ssh |
| 00:13.08 | alkii | !free whcp |
| 00:13.08 | dpkg | FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig>, <ispCP Omega> and <RavenCore>. Don't use <Webmin>. http://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels |
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| 00:13.41 | jordanm | alkii: I believe most of those are oriented towards hosting providers |
| 00:14.08 | jordanm | which makes sense.. as you want to provide something easy for you users, but you should know what you are doing as the admin without it |
| 00:14.31 | alkii | well, both plesk and virtualmin (&webmin &usermin) sure work fine for people who are not hosting providers ;P |
| 00:14.59 | jpinx-eeepc | alkii: be a man - ssh in and do it from the cli |
| 00:15.00 | jordanm | they shouldn't be needed |
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| 00:16.00 | alkii | jpinx-eeepc: been there, done that, didn't like it |
| 00:16.07 | dementia | how do I make php-cli print errors to stdout? |
| 00:16.18 | dementia | i'm running a script from the command line |
| 00:16.29 | dementia | it just seems to die without an error if there is a problem |
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| 00:16.58 | andares | hey, how do I list the files a package provides? |
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| 00:18.23 | jordanm | dementia: #php |
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| 00:18.37 | andares | oh, also dudes, a package is broken, I'm pretty sure. |
| 00:18.42 | jordanm | andares: dpkg -L <package> (installed), apt-file if it is not installed |
| 00:19.04 | andares | xulrunner-1.9.1 doesn't put a symbolic link to libxul.so in /lib or anything. |
| 00:19.08 | jordanm | andares: aptitude search '~b' will list all broken packages |
| 00:19.26 | andares | returns nothing. |
| 00:19.42 | andares | icedove doesn't work but iceweasel works (why can't they just brand the darn things?) |
| 00:19.46 | andares | and both depend on libxul |
| 00:20.09 | jordanm | andares: what happens when you try to run iceweasel? I assume this is squeeze? |
| 00:20.31 | andares | jordanm: yeah, squeeze, and it runs fine. icedove won't start though, saying that it can't find libxul.so. |
| 00:20.53 | themill | andares: what version of icedove is this? (apt-cache policy icedove) |
| 00:20.58 | andares | Version: 3.0.7-1 |
| 00:21.02 | jordanm | andares: the icedove package itself provides that file |
| 00:21.29 | andares | jordanm: uh... hm. |
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| 00:22.10 | jordanm | andares: is /usr/lib/icedove/libxul.so present? |
| 00:22.51 | andares | yeah, it is. I tried to start icedove-bin direct.. |
| 00:22.54 | andares | oh I am such a morono. |
| 00:22.56 | andares | *moron. |
| 00:23.18 | andares | the reason it wasn't running was because it was actually running all along, but my system tray was broken. :/ |
| 00:24.01 | andares | thanks though. :p |
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| 00:27.35 | LemensTS | how do i rotate logs manually? i deleted apache2/access.log and remade it and its not writing to it now some reason |
| 00:27.57 | dondelelcaro | LemensTS: you need to reload apache |
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| 00:28.57 | Nashenas | how to I upgrade a package to a higher version than the one in the lenny repositories |
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| 00:29.14 | jordanm | LemensTS: you can manually use the logrotate command |
| 00:29.31 | jordanm | Nashenas: generally lenny-backports. which package? |
| 00:29.32 | dondelelcaro | Nashenas: in general, use a backport. /msg dpkg backports for details |
| 00:29.45 | Nashenas | jordanm: nautilus-extension1 |
| 00:29.48 | LemensTS | dondelelcaro: thanks tha tworked |
| 00:30.04 | Nashenas | jordanm: I'm trying to install dropbox for linux |
| 00:30.15 | LemensTS | Whats the easiest way to clear a file? |
| 00:30.38 | jordanm | ,versions nautilus-extensions |
| 00:30.39 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'nautilus-extensions' was found in i386. |
| 00:30.49 | jordanm | Nashenas: that doesn't appear to be in debian at all |
| 00:30.59 | dondelelcaro | LemensTS: what do you mean by "clear a file"? |
| 00:31.02 | jordanm | ,versions nautilus-extension |
| 00:31.03 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'nautilus-extension' was found in i386. |
| 00:31.18 | LemensTS | dondelelcaro: clear all the text out but leave the file |
| 00:31.55 | dondelelcaro | LemensTS: open it with O_TRUNC and close it, or similar. But that's bad if someone has the file open for writing |
| 00:32.42 | jordanm | Nashenas: ah, its libnautilus-extension1. that may not be something trivial |
| 00:32.47 | jordanm | !tell Nashenas about ssb |
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| 00:33.33 | Nashenas | what's ssb? |
| 00:33.53 | Nashenas | jordanm: and backports for lenny didn't help =/ |
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| 00:35.31 | jordanm | Nashenas: it can't be backported |
| 00:35.48 | jordanm | well.. it *can*, but not really |
| 00:35.55 | qq- | , versions libnautilus-extension1 |
| 00:35.56 | judd | Package libnautilus-extension1 on i386 -- etch: 2.14.3-11+b1; lenny: 2.20.0-7; sid: 2.30.1-2; squeeze: 2.30.1-2 |
| 00:36.30 | qq- | Nashenas, upgrade to testing .. |
| 00:37.08 | jordanm | I am curious on why that package has so many < Breaks:, instead of > Depends: |
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| 00:38.22 | jordanm | ah, rereading the Breaks: section of policy makes sense |
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| 00:39.42 | Nashenas | qq: do I change all links in sources.list from lenny to testing?? |
| 00:39.55 | abrotman | to squeeze, not testing |
| 00:40.09 | jordanm | !tell Nashenas lenny->squeeze |
| 00:40.21 | jordanm | !tell Nashenas about lenny->squeeze |
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| 00:40.49 | jordanm | sigh.. |
| 00:44.15 | jordanm | !tell me about lenny->squeeze |
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| 00:46.38 | Nashenas | ok about to restart into squeeze, wish me luck |
| 00:47.50 | abrotman | too late for a !bless |
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| 00:51.37 | Nashenas | only 1342MB to download before i'm done upgrading -.- |
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| 01:06.03 | wcs | hi folks! |
| 01:06.22 | wcs | I'm having troubles running .bin files on Lenny |
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| 01:07.28 | wcs | the output from console is this: unable to execute ./qt-sdk-linux-x86-opensource-2010.05.bin: No existe el fichero o el directorio |
| 01:08.12 | wcs | "no existe el fichero o directorio" was mean "The file or directory doesn't exist" |
| 01:08.43 | Nashenas | did you make it executable with chmod u+x qt-sdk-linux-x86-opensource-2010.05.bin ? |
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| 01:10.04 | wcs | Nashenas: yes dude, I did it |
| 01:11.27 | wcs | I try everything... it works fine on Squeeze!, but I can't run any .bin file on Lenny |
| 01:14.02 | rww | Hey. I have an ath9k-compatible wifi card. Is there an installer image (preferably for squeeze) that would allow me to netinstall over wifi? |
| 01:14.55 | qq- | !ath9k |
| 01:14.57 | dpkg | [ath9k] a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver for Atheros 802.11n PCI/PCI-E wireless LAN chipsets. Included in the mainline Linux kernel since 2.6.27. Lenny users: ask me about <bdo kernel> to install a later kernel containing this driver. AR9287 and AR2427 are supported in Debian 2.6.32 kernel images. For USB 802.11n device support, ask me about <ar9170>. http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k |
| 01:15.07 | dvs | rww: the squeeze install will |
| 01:15.29 | rww | dvs: the regular daily builds on http://debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ ? |
| 01:15.34 | dvs | as long as you're using wep |
| 01:16.21 | rww | hrm, no, WPA2 :( |
| 01:17.32 | abrotman | wcs: tried running ldd on it ? |
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| 01:18.41 | dvs | rww: not on the install |
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| 01:20.09 | pcncx | can anyone here help me with a dependency problem? |
| 01:21.02 | dondelelcaro | pcncx: best to just ask your question |
| 01:21.18 | dondelelcaro | pcncx: /msg dpkg bat; for starters. |
| 01:21.37 | pcncx | dondelelcaro OK |
| 01:21.48 | revlo | hi I got a strange problem with recent testing netinst and buissnesscard images (as of today) installing with them gives me invalid release file or no valid kernel for this setup has been found does somebody else got these problems and may tell me how to fix them? |
| 01:22.12 | pcncx | it asked me if it is larger than a breadbox |
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| 01:22.40 | epsilon | revlo: if testing install fails, install stable and then upgrade |
| 01:23.21 | revlo | epsilon: dang sounds kinda like a plan |
| 01:23.38 | pcncx | anyhow I am trying to get qt3-dev installed and am having a bit of a problem with libfreetype6-dev I am on Lenny |
| 01:23.45 | revlo | does the stable stock kernel boots on a core i3? |
| 01:23.55 | dondelelcaro | !tell pcncx -about bat |
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| 01:24.21 | dondelelcaro | revlo: it should |
| 01:24.36 | dondelelcaro | revlo: but it depends more on the chipset and other things than the actual CPU |
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| 01:24.57 | revlo | I try and see thx |
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| 01:25.31 | pcncx | dondelelcaro OK what do I need to do in order to get that? |
| 01:25.33 | dondelelcaro | revlo: there are also updated stable installers if it's not working properly |
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| 01:25.43 | dondelelcaro | pcncx: to get what? |
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| 01:26.11 | pcncx | dondelelcaro what dpkg is asking for the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; |
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| 01:26.31 | dondelelcaro | pcncx: run apt-cache policy libfreetype6-dev qt3-dev; and any other packages that look interesting |
| 01:26.45 | pcncx | dondelelcaro OK sure |
| 01:27.15 | pcncx | dondelelcaro well I did manage to uninstall the troubled package but I need the right one |
| 01:27.35 | qq- | , versions libfreetype6-dev |
| 01:27.36 | judd | Package libfreetype6-dev on i386 -- etch: 2.2.1-5+etch4; etch-security: 2.2.1-5+etch4; lenny: 2.3.7-2+lenny2; lenny-security: 2.3.7-2+lenny4; squeeze: 2.4.2-1; sid: 2.4.2-2 |
| 01:28.06 | dondelelcaro | pcncx: that's fine, but it'll take forever for me to walk through everything that you could possibly be doing. The information I'm asking for allows me to see precisely what the problem is and solve it much faster than it would for me to ask you a few hundred questions |
| 01:28.55 | pcncx | oh how do I upgrade to this package? Candidate: 2.3.7-2+lenny4 if I could just do that then the dev package would work for me! |
| 01:29.51 | abrotman | pcncx: did you 'aptitude update' first ? |
| 01:29.54 | pcncx | see the thing is the dev was a lenny4 but the lib is lenny3 |
| 01:30.00 | pcncx | abrotman yes I did |
| 01:30.19 | abrotman | pcncx: aptitude update && aptitude instlal qt3-dev .. use a pastebin |
| 01:30.35 | pcncx | abrotman yes that is what got me into trouble to begin with |
| 01:30.42 | abrotman | still want to see the paste |
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| 01:34.18 | pcncx | oh this is just lovely pastebin gives me a blank page when I hit the submit button |
| 01:34.33 | abrotman | paste.debian.net |
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| 01:35.35 | pcncx | abrotman thank you much better! http://paste.debian.net/96487/ |
| 01:36.00 | abrotman | it tells you there is no qt3-dev package |
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| 01:36.14 | abrotman | judd: versions qt3-dev |
| 01:36.17 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'qt3-dev' was found in i386. |
| 01:36.50 | pcncx | abrotman well I used synaptic when I initially did it picked it off the menu list |
| 01:37.07 | abrotman | still not in lenny |
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| 01:37.28 | srmaddox | When using aptitude to install java6-jdk, where is the proper classpath for the standard java packages? |
| 01:37.52 | pcncx | abrotman it is called qt3-dev-tools |
| 01:38.05 | abrotman | so install that instead of qt3-dev |
| 01:39.21 | pcncx | abrotman please have a look at this: http://paste.debian.net/96488/ |
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| 01:39.49 | pcncx | that is my problem! |
| 01:40.18 | abrotman | pcncx: aptitude update && apt-cache policy libfreetype6-dev |
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| 01:41.17 | pcncx | abrotman yes it wants to throw me lenny4 when I have lenny3 installed as the lib package so configure bombs out and it is a broken package |
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| 01:41.54 | pcncx | so if i could just put the lenny4 libs in I think I'd be good |
| 01:42.53 | somiaj | which is nothing more than a sercurity update so you shoudl be using it. |
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| 01:43.06 | pcncx | somiaj I would if i knew how |
| 01:43.21 | abrotman | pcncx: you have to show us in a pastebin .. did you try `aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade' ? |
| 01:43.40 | somiaj | you were told how, update your sources, get the new package |
| 01:44.14 | pcncx | abrotman i used the update tool in gnome earlier and it said i had no updates which I thought was odd being as I haven't turned this machine on in about a month now |
| 01:44.27 | abrotman | try using aptitude |
| 01:44.29 | srmaddox | ^^ |
| 01:44.30 | pcncx | k |
| 01:44.57 | pcncx | runs aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade |
| 01:45.34 | pcncx | hey it says I'm getting a new libfreetype! |
| 01:46.41 | pcncx | hrm this is going to bork my kernel I just know it |
| 01:46.47 | somiaj | maybe you'll follow the suggestion the first time your given it..(: |
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| 01:48.25 | pcncx | somiaj I'd have preferred just fixing the one thing now I am going to have to fix god knows what this is not a desktop machine |
| 01:48.53 | somiaj | security updates shouldn't break things -- |
| 01:48.55 | srmaddox | Whats the proper CLASSPATH to use in debian - and which package provides the java packages for development? I downloaded Java6-JDK and classpath with apt-get |
| 01:49.01 | pcncx | but hey I am moving in the right direction again thanks |
| 01:49.09 | somiaj | but if you wanted, you could have just done aptitude update && apt-get install libfre... |
| 01:49.22 | somiaj | updte one thing at a time instead of multiple |
| 01:49.27 | abrotman | sounds like he was out of date anyway .. might have gotten other security updates |
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| 01:50.52 | pcncx | abrotman I like debian i just don't understand how its package management works |
| 01:51.12 | pcncx | I wish I did |
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| 01:53.41 | pcncx | whoot! Setting up libfreetype6-dev (2.3.7-2+lenny4) ... I'm in |
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| 01:54.19 | pcncx | now to figure out how the kernel sources got messed up in that upgrade |
| 01:54.31 | abrotman | doubt they did ? |
| 01:54.52 | pcncx | abrotman don't bet on it I thought I saw something flash by with it they're patched |
| 01:55.15 | abrotman | you mean yours are patched ? |
| 01:55.20 | pcncx | I'm trying to set this machine up as a realtime controller |
| 01:55.32 | abrotman | it won't affect your installed kernel if it's custom |
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| 01:56.17 | pcncx | abrotman that is the thing it isn't quite installed yet I am in the process of configuring it which was why i needed the libfreetype to make xconfig |
| 01:56.49 | pcncx | oh well no worries I'll get it working eventually thanks for all of your help one thing down |
| 01:57.47 | pcncx | I wonder why the update thing in gnome didn't work earlier? |
| 01:58.05 | pcncx | I knew when it said there was nothing to update something was up |
| 01:58.47 | pcncx | last time I booted this system up was september 8th |
| 02:00.34 | srmaddox | how can i see where a package installs what to? |
| 02:00.37 | srmaddox | aptitude |
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| 02:03.16 | pcncx | srmaddox I don't know I use dpkg -L |
| 02:04.06 | pcncx | srmaddox I'm lucky if I can quit out of aptitude without messing anything up! |
| 02:04.54 | pcncx | aptitude is deselect in sheeps clothing |
| 02:06.33 | abrotman | srmaddox: dpkg -L pkg or apt-file list pkg .. apt-file works on packages that are NOT installed, they both work on packages that are installed |
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| 02:08.06 | pcncx | abrotman I got all confused once using apt-cache and it listing stuff that wasn't insalled on a system |
| 02:08.20 | abrotman | you mean apt-file ? |
| 02:08.24 | pcncx | installed even man this keyboard sucks |
| 02:08.52 | pcncx | I think it has sucked up a bit too much sawdust in its life |
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| 02:10.25 | pcncx | abrotman no I was installing some font related stuff on another machine and wanted to know what I had but it spit out a list of what I could get but I thought it was stuff installed then got all confused because I didn't have a lot of it |
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| 02:12.31 | pcncx | abrotman the right fonts can make a computing experience a lot more pleasant |
| 02:12.38 | abrotman | fonts? |
| 02:12.57 | pcncx | abrotman yes you know files with text in them? |
| 02:13.06 | abrotman | images you mean? |
| 02:13.07 | pcncx | well whatever font files have in them |
| 02:13.24 | pcncx | glyphs it seems |
| 02:13.27 | abrotman | i'm not a fonts person .. i'm usually okay with the default as long as it's not MS Comic or whatever it is |
| 02:13.49 | pcncx | hey some of them microsoft fonts are kind of nice |
| 02:13.55 | abrotman | wouldn't know .. |
| 02:14.02 | pcncx | tahoma ain't bad |
| 02:14.04 | abrotman | i mean that only because i don't mess with fonts :) |
| 02:14.28 | pcncx | abrotman hey if they're giving it away I'm taking it |
| 02:14.42 | abrotman | i just mean i'm not picky |
| 02:15.12 | pcncx | well with some font tuning looking at a webpage can get a lot easier my eyes are shot |
| 02:15.48 | pcncx | they started going about 10 years ago now and they're not getting any better with age I've found |
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| 02:16.14 | abrotman | webpage? |
| 02:16.23 | pcncx | my eyes |
| 02:16.43 | abrotman | that's what she said .. |
| 02:17.06 | pcncx | I guess the upside of going blind is a lot more women look attractive |
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| 02:17.25 | abrotman | they make beer for that |
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| 02:18.05 | pcncx | I'm in the mood for a beer tonight i think I'll drink my Palo Santo I've been saving |
| 02:18.12 | abrotman | sounds .. pale |
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| 02:19.11 | pcncx | they say it is maroon http://www.dogfish.com/brews-spirits/the-brews/year-round-brews/palo-santo-marron.htm |
| 02:19.46 | abrotman | mm .. dogfish head |
| 02:21.40 | dondelelcaro | it's fairly reasonable |
| 02:21.57 | dondelelcaro | is off to pizza port for random beers tonight in a bit himself (but way OT) |
| 02:22.03 | pcncx | abrotman the brewery is 6 miles up the road from me |
| 02:22.23 | abrotman | pcncx: i'm not that far, i was supposed to go there next weekend, but i guess not now |
| 02:22.36 | abrotman | sends pcncx to #debian-offtopic if he wants to continue :) |
| 02:22.41 | pcncx | abrotman you're close to Milton? |
| 02:22.54 | abrotman | #debian-offtopic ? |
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| 02:23.17 | Nashenas | hey guys, so I upgraded to testing and rebooted, and now I have no X |
| 02:23.24 | Nashenas | running /etc/init.d/gdm start does nothing |
| 02:23.40 | qq- | install it |
| 02:24.00 | Nashenas | oh it's gdm3 now... |
| 02:24.34 | Nashenas | for about how long should there be a blinking underscore?? |
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| 02:46.24 | acu | hey the today's freeze AMD netinst freezes - very early during installation - is any weekly available ? |
| 02:46.29 | acu | which is working ? |
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| 02:51.52 | cavior | i prefer to use debootstrap |
| 02:52.26 | qq- | acu, wait, hard tests period |
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| 02:55.18 | cmpsalvestrini | Hey ppl |
| 02:55.36 | cmpsalvestrini | I got a problem... I can't install a deb package with dpkg |
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| 02:57.41 | qq- | use aptitude |
| 02:57.57 | cmpsalvestrini | even for local packages? |
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| 02:58.32 | qq- | yes |
| 02:59.17 | cavior | you can use Gdebi |
| 02:59.32 | qq- | cmpsalvestrini, put it on local web , do a dpkg-scanpackages add it to sources ... |
| 02:59.32 | abrotman | cmpsalvestrini: why doesn' tit work with dpkg ? |
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| 03:00.07 | cmpsalvestrini | abrotman: says no such file and I have checked the spelling |
| 03:00.26 | asg | cmpsalvestrini: dpkg -i <deb> |
| 03:00.30 | abrotman | cmpsalvestrini: use a pastebin .. show us .. |
| 03:00.40 | cmpsalvestrini | Will do |
| 03:01.03 | cmpsalvestrini | one sec |
| 03:03.01 | cmpsalvestrini | well I'll be |
| 03:03.13 | cmpsalvestrini | I forgot Debian ain't Ubuntu |
| 03:03.26 | cmpsalvestrini | I had to cd to my home folder... |
| 03:04.20 | qq- | !next |
| 03:04.20 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 03:09.09 | pcncx | if Debian was Ubuntu I'd have to do a lot less work but as it is its worth it |
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| 03:19.36 | foul_owl | i'm trying to build gspca, but i keep getting the error asm/semaphore.h: No such file or directory |
| 03:19.54 | foul_owl | does someone have a deb of gspca they could send me? please? |
| 03:20.10 | LinuxGuy2009 | I installed the base system and then started building it up from there. I have "nm-applet" listed under System->Preferences->Sessions, but it doesn't want to start. If I start a root terminal or ALT+F2 "gksu nm-applet", it starts up just fine. Is this a bug or whats going on? |
| 03:20.53 | dondelelcaro | foul_owl: why aren't you just running m-a a-i gspca; ? also, I thought that driver is included in more modern kernels |
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| 03:22.04 | foul_owl | FATAL: Module gspca not found. |
| 03:22.21 | foul_owl | i got 2.6.31-22-generic and it aint showing up |
| 03:22.44 | foul_owl | what is m-a a-i gspca? |
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| 03:23.05 | qq- | foul_owl, thats ubuntu ? |
| 03:23.15 | LemensTS | what linux distro had a bull/bison mascot? |
| 03:23.21 | LemensTS | I thought it was debian |
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| 03:23.39 | jordanm | !tell foul_owl about ubuntu |
| 03:23.47 | jordanm | LemensTS: GNU has a gnu mascott |
| 03:24.03 | cavior | gnu is not unix |
| 03:24.15 | eatnumber1 | I'm trying to install wordpress-openid (I already have wordpress installed), and it's somehow pulling in apache! I don't use nor do I want apache installed. How do I found out why apache is being pulled in & how to prevent it? |
| 03:24.19 | jordanm | and the debian userspace is mostly GNU |
| 03:24.24 | LemensTS | oh yea thats it. I think im gonna get it put in on a half sleeve |
| 03:24.49 | foul_owl | it doesn't matter if im running ubuntu or debian, what matters is that i need gscpa deb |
| 03:24.50 | LemensTS | linux is not linux :) |
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| 03:25.05 | jordanm | foul_owl: it does matter. only debian is supported here |
| 03:25.23 | jordanm | foul_owl: #ubuntu should be able to help you |
| 03:25.28 | foul_owl | nope, they don't care |
| 03:25.35 | qq- | we too |
| 03:25.36 | foul_owl | can someone please just help me build this module |
| 03:25.44 | jordanm | !they don't know |
| 03:25.44 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 03:26.33 | foul_owl | i'm trying to build the source of a debian package |
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| 03:26.41 | LinuxGuy2009 | Is there any way to compare the installed packages on one system to another system so I can see what I might be missing? |
| 03:26.54 | foul_owl | gspca-source_01.00.20-1_all.deb |
| 03:27.13 | qq- | LinuxGuy2009, dpkg -l |
| 03:27.14 | foul_owl | that is a debian package is it not? im asking about support for it, not anything ubuntu related |
| 03:27.29 | jordanm | LinuxGuy2009: dpkg -l + uniq perhaps |
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| 03:28.52 | foul_owl | does debian have the gspca module? |
| 03:29.09 | jordanm | foul_owl: you are using ubuntu. the people here are volunteering support because they want to support debian. if they wanted to support ubuntu, they would be there as well. please respect that |
| 03:29.20 | foul_owl | im trying to switch to debian |
| 03:29.26 | foul_owl | i just need some info about it |
| 03:29.47 | qq- | foul_owl, install debian first |
| 03:29.48 | foul_owl | such as, does it have the gspca module? if it does, i will start using it, that's all im asking |
| 03:30.38 | foul_owl | if you can just answer my question, you will save me hours of time. please. |
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| 03:31.28 | foul_owl | i never even brought up ubuntu. i just want to know if debian supports my webcam, so i can use it :( |
| 03:31.42 | qq- | foul_owl, installing linux-headers of your kernel may kelp |
| 03:31.44 | jordanm | foul_owl: in testing, yes |
| 03:31.47 | eatnumber1 | From a quick look at aptitude, it looks like there is a kernel with gspca |
| 03:32.24 | qq- | s/ kelp/help |
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| 03:32.31 | foul_owl | thank you! i think i will attempt to install debian now :) |
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| 03:39.55 | kblessinggr | what would be an effective CLI command to set all folders in /opt/html to 750, and files 640. Kind of stumped cuz I can do one or the other but not really how to distinguish files from folders in the sense of a command. |
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| 03:42.23 | jordanm | kblessinggr: find /opt/html -type d -exec chmod 750 '{}' \; |
| 03:42.42 | jordanm | -type f for files |
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| 03:43.23 | kblessinggr | ahh much thanks |
| 03:43.37 | jordanm | anytime |
| 03:44.25 | kblessinggr | anyone ever heard of debian running on a macbook (intel/core2duo)? |
| 03:45.02 | kblessinggr | would probably have to use rEFIt for it i'm sure, just only ever seen unbuntu mentioned for it |
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| 03:46.43 | kblessinggr | meh I shoulda looked at the wiki |
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| 03:50.11 | un214 | so I am planning to leave ubuntu as soon as the next debian stable comes out |
| 03:50.34 | kblessinggr | hrm wiki kinda old (latest macbook they tried it on was 2007) |
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| 04:03.16 | karsten | is looking for help on a Thinkpad T410s install. Can't find the ethernet card. |
| 04:03.48 | mactimes | Hi. I have a small issue with my keyboard and was wondering if someone could help. My keyboard works flawlessly under gnome-terminal, but if I go to the TTY1, I'm not able to use the "/" key on my notebook, which is typed my combining "Alt Gr" and the "Q" letter on Sony VGN-SR350A. Could someone help me configuring it properly? |
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| 04:04.05 | karsten | shelled out of the installer, 'lspci | grep -i eth' shows: "00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation Device 10ea (rev06)" |
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| 04:04.25 | karsten | Should be an e1000 or e1000e device, but neither seem to turn up a controller. 'ifconfig' isn't available. Suggestions? |
| 04:04.27 | jordanm | karsten: use lspci -nn |
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| 04:05.28 | jordanm | karsten: just need the pciid |
| 04:05.35 | mactimes | s/typed my/typed by/ |
| 04:05.39 | karsten | jordanm: 00:19.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:10ea] (rev 06) |
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| 04:05.58 | karsten | jordanm: pciid is the "00:19.0"? |
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| 04:06.23 | jordanm | ,pciid 8086:10ea |
| 04:06.24 | judd | [8086:10ea] is '82577LM Gigabit Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'e1000e' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:10ea |
| 04:06.40 | jordanm | karsten: you need the kmuto installer if you are installing lenny |
| 04:06.47 | jordanm | !tell karsten about kmuto |
| 04:06.49 | karsten | jordanm: From whence? |
| 04:06.52 | karsten | :) |
| 04:06.53 | karsten | Thanks. |
| 04:06.59 | jordanm | anytime :) |
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| 04:08.41 | karsten | jordanm: Hrm. Full ISO? I'm not seeing a netinst. |
| 04:08.49 | karsten | jordanm: Would a sid install be an option? |
| 04:09.11 | jordanm | karsten: no, there is no sid installer. I am pretty sure those are all netinst |
| 04:09.47 | jordanm | karsten: yep, those are all netinst. look at the sizes |
| 04:10.20 | ChmEarl | fi |
| 04:10.42 | karsten | Cool, I was thinking they were closer to 80 MB for netinst. |
| 04:10.54 | karsten | kicks of f wget and hunts for another DVD-R.... |
| 04:11.06 | jordanm | karsten: business card cd is around that |
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| 04:14.25 | karsten | Yeah. Burning... |
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| 04:21.36 | magyarlatin | good evening, hello everyone |
| 04:24.18 | karsten | jordanm: booting new disk now. |
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| 04:25.29 | karsten | jordanm: found eth0 :) |
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| 04:26.01 | jordanm | nice :) |
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| 04:26.28 | karsten | thank you. |
| 04:26.43 | karsten | wonders if anyone's written a good Linux partitioning FAQ. |
| 04:26.47 | karsten | remembers: he did. |
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| 04:31.02 | karsten | What are the cool kids using for filesystems these days? SSD / laptop. I'm thinking ext4 on everything but /boot (too small, don't need journal). |
| 04:32.11 | jpinx-eeepc | karsten: ext3 |
| 04:32.29 | jpinx-eeepc | !ext4 |
| 04:32.29 | dpkg | [ext4] Fourth extended file system. Supports volumes up to one exabyte (1024 petabytes) and extents. Support for ext4 filesystem features included in e2fsprogs since 1.41~WIP-2008-06-17-1. Merged in mainline Linux kernel, available in 2.6.28 and later. Ask me about <ext3->ext4> and <ext4->ext3>. Not supported by GRUB Legacy (Debian bug #511121). http://wiki.debian.org/Ext4 http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/ #ext4 on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 04:33.04 | karsten | jpinx-eeepc: If I'm using GRUP2, not a problem? |
| 04:33.44 | jpinx-eeepc | why use ext4 if you don't need it? I have seen issues with it in here |
| 04:35.03 | karsten | jpinx-eeepc: In part to exercise it. |
| 04:35.17 | jpinx-eeepc | k |
| 04:35.23 | karsten | jpinx-eeepc: I would like to get some experience with it. We're using XFS on our production systems. |
| 04:35.46 | karsten | I generally don't journal /boot, but I usually leave that mounted 'ro' anyhow. |
| 04:36.00 | jpinx-eeepc | !xfs |
| 04:36.00 | dpkg | The filesystem developed by SGI for high-performance (metadata-only) journalling and large disk support. Zeroed files on power failures is fixed since Linux 2.6.17 (http://lwn.net/Articles/279036/). Supposedly not as mature, in linux, as <ext3>. Unable to be shrunk. Broken on ARM (BTS #423562). http://xfs.org/index.php/XFS_FAQ http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs/ #xfs on irc.freenode.net. |
| 04:36.21 | karsten | notes that the power-out issue's been fixed. |
| 04:36.25 | jpinx-eeepc | :/ |
| 04:36.32 | karsten | Memory-backed, battery-backed RAID controllers. |
| 04:36.34 | jpinx-eeepc | sounds horrid |
| 04:36.42 | karsten | Though data lossage would be a Bad Thing. |
| 04:36.54 | karsten | We need the IOPS. |
| 04:37.46 | jpinx-eeepc | knows sfa about fs's and sticks with ext3 |
| 04:38.03 | jpinx-eeepc | even on the SD in my eeepc |
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| 04:39.22 | karsten | jpinx-eeepc: a safe strategy. ext3's served long and well. |
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| 04:44.00 | jordanm | karsten: you actually don't have to mount /boot at all. the only time it needs to be mounted is during kernel upgrades, and it needs to be rw |
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| 04:44.35 | karsten | jordanm: I'm aware of that. |
| 04:44.58 | karsten | jordanm: I generally keep it mounted though, just to be able to dick with shit if necessary. Not a biggie. |
| 04:45.04 | jordanm | karsten: just checking, as I didn't see a reason for mounting in ro :) |
| 04:46.05 | karsten | jordanm: well, if it's mounted RO, aptitude will throw errors (giving you the inspiration to mount it RW) rather than helpfully creating a new /boot directory contents under your root filesystem. |
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| 04:46.20 | karsten | jordanm: ... which would be somewhat inconveniently located at you next boot time. |
| 04:46.55 | karsten | Yeah, you can mess with apt to take axtions in pre/post package installation. I've never gotten that to work as desired with, say, /usr (once it's mounted RW, it tends to want to stay RW). |
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| 05:00.14 | needhelp1 | whats a good open source programming language to get into? i was looking into learning some Ruby-lang but it says its not OSI approved :/ |
| 05:00.46 | jordanm | python is popular and often recommended to beginners |
| 05:01.10 | KB1JWQ | needhelp1: Have an example of a non open source programming language? :-) |
| 05:03.20 | jordanm | KB1JWQ: visual basic? |
| 05:03.33 | needhelp1 | i see what your saying, but i mean .net isnt GPL compatable .. im not sure about the open source implementation mono .. but im looking for an extermely open source friendly prog lang |
| 05:03.42 | KB1JWQ | jordanm: Ah, but the source you write in VB could very well be open. :-) |
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| 05:05.12 | NginUS | grub failed to install from the squeeze netinst cd- can someone help me reinstall it on lvm2? |
| 05:05.48 | needhelp1 | ruby isnt approved as an OSI compatable lang is it? |
| 05:08.24 | agent0range | im having some issues loading some 32 bit so's in an amd64 bit arch. is there something else i can do aside from install ia32 deb? |
| 05:08.32 | jordanm | needhelp1: according to the copyright file shipped with debian, ruby can be distributed under the GPL |
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| 05:09.09 | needhelp1 | with the GPL via an explicit dual-licensing clause? |
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| 05:09.35 | jordanm | needhelp1: looks like it. see /usr/share/doc/ruby/copyright |
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| 05:10.52 | needhelp1 | jordanm, at the risk of sounding like an idiot, for someone interested in entry level programing for open source software, is ruby a good option? |
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| 05:14.39 | jordanm | needhelp1: don't know. my only experience is in python and C |
| 05:14.49 | jordanm | well, and a little perl |
| 05:15.09 | slingr | needhelp1> go python |
| 05:15.14 | jordanm | needhelp1: its not as mature as many other languages |
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| 05:20.42 | karsten | Where is root's PATH set? |
| 05:21.00 | jordanm | karsten: /etc/profile |
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| 05:21.53 | jordanm | you want to make a change to it, do it in /root/.profile |
| 05:22.02 | karsten | Thanks |
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| 05:22.26 | karsten | Remember our little chat about ext4 and GRUB? Guess what Lenny's default bootloader is? |
| 05:22.30 | karsten | is installing grub2.... |
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| 05:23.57 | needhelp1 | karsten, can you inform me? i use ext4 and grub |
| 05:24.28 | jordanm | needhelp1: grub1 does not support ext4 /boot or / |
| 05:24.38 | jordanm | distros such as fedora have patched it to support it |
| 05:24.44 | needhelp1 | ahh.. i have grub2 |
| 05:25.44 | karsten | Interesting: I get to the initramfs, but *that* can't find init on /boot. |
| 05:27.05 | karsten | I've just installed the ext4 module, which was in the initramfs... How do I then pivot out? |
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| 05:32.00 | karsten | Hrm: /init is the initramfs's master script |
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| 05:33.22 | jordanm | karsten: ext4 is especially not recommended on lenny.. |
| 05:33.33 | agent0range | can anyone tell me where the locate.conf is? |
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| 05:37.34 | jordanm | agent0range: doesn't appear to be in debian |
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| 05:38.49 | agent0range | there is no configuration for locate? |
| 05:40.10 | karsten | jordanm: I'm beginning to understand :) |
| 05:40.23 | karsten | jordanm: any particular reasons why / references? |
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| 05:46.20 | jordanm | karsten: ext4 was still in staging when lenny was released. so the default kernel only had the ext4_dev module and the userspace tools may lack ext4 support |
| 05:46.25 | agent0range | if im trying to load a 32bit so and i ldd it but ldd doesnt show the path to the 32bit so it requires, does that mean its using what ldd says? |
| 05:46.55 | jordanm | agent0range: show an example |
| 05:47.14 | agent0range | linux-gate.so.1 => (0xf7f27000) |
| 05:47.14 | agent0range | libc.so.6 => /lib32/libc.so.6 (0xf7dc5000) |
| 05:47.24 | karsten | jordanm: How about testing? |
| 05:47.32 | agent0range | /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xf7f28000) |
| 05:47.38 | jordanm | karsten: testing should have full support |
| 05:47.49 | agent0range | the last one /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xf7f28000) ... has both versions on the system |
| 05:47.54 | karsten | jordanm: I'll be making the upgrade as soon as I can ... |
| 05:47.55 | karsten | hrm. |
| 05:48.07 | agent0range | but the 32bit version is in /emul/ia32-linux/lib/ld-linux.so.2 |
| 05:48.08 | karsten | Might as well do it chrooted while I've got the install meia hanyd... |
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| 05:52.28 | karsten | jordanm: If I'm reading this right, e2fstools in lenny (and kernel) don't support ext4. |
| 05:52.34 | karsten | jordanm: http://etbe.coker.com.au/2010/01/08/ext4-lenny/ |
| 05:53.07 | jordanm | !ext4 |
| 05:53.07 | dpkg | [ext4] Fourth extended file system. Supports volumes up to one exabyte (1024 petabytes) and extents. Support for ext4 filesystem features included in e2fsprogs since 1.41~WIP-2008-06-17-1. Merged in mainline Linux kernel, available in 2.6.28 and later. Ask me about <ext3->ext4> and <ext4->ext3>. Not supported by GRUB Legacy (Debian bug #511121). http://wiki.debian.org/Ext4 http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/ #ext4 on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 05:53.22 | jordanm | karsten: I believe the wiki page talks about lenny support |
| 05:53.35 | karsten | checking now |
| 05:53.57 | jordanm | I just checked.. nothing new |
| 05:54.32 | karsten | I'm going to try that -nodealloc option from initramfs. |
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| 05:55.58 | karsten | Nope. |
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| 05:56.30 | karsten | Interesting that the installer allows *creating* ext4 filesystems. That was a formatting option. |
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| 06:02.16 | xxtjaxx | ping mquin |
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| 06:02.25 | karsten | pong |
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| 06:02.39 | karsten | notes he's not mquin... |
| 06:02.47 | karsten | Sorry, read "again" there. |
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| 06:05.50 | xxtjaxx | karsten: np |
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| 06:07.36 | jordanm | karsten: there are notes on the kmuto site about that |
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| 06:08.13 | jordanm | karsten: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/#faq |
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| 06:18.05 | karsten | Thanks. I managed to get root mounted, but couldn't pivot into it. |
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| 06:20.13 | jaggz | is there some debian simple (non-user account-based) spreadsheet editing software I can setup easily? |
| 06:20.34 | jaggz | just need to get a spreadsheet setup for a student group for them to add their names for managment of aspects of an event.. |
| 06:20.39 | karsten | OK, inited... |
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| 06:23.41 | jordanm | jaggz: oo.org calc? |
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| 06:26.34 | agent0range | anyone know if i need to reboot after installing 32bit libs on an amd64 arch? |
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| 06:26.46 | agent0range | with the stock amd64 kernel? |
| 06:27.11 | simonrvn | i don't see why |
| 06:27.35 | agent0range | for some reason im running an app and ldd isnt finding the 32 bit version |
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| 06:27.51 | simonrvn | quit the app? |
| 06:28.05 | agent0range | yes i have run it amny times |
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| 06:28.50 | frewsxcv | any idea why i'm getting this error every so often in debian? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/817621 |
| 06:28.59 | frewsxcv | everytime i perform a command essentially |
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| 06:29.47 | jordanm | frewsxcv: did you just upgrade lenny->testing? |
| 06:29.58 | agent0range | your locale isnt defined correctly or isnt on the machine |
| 06:30.11 | frewsxcv | jordanm, yes, but it was happening before |
| 06:30.19 | frewsxcv | agent0range, how would i specify it? |
| 06:30.33 | jordanm | frewsxcv: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 06:31.08 | agent0range | jordanm: did you see my issue with ldd? |
| 06:31.18 | agent0range | this is drving me nuts |
| 06:31.25 | jordanm | agent0range: yeah, no idea |
| 06:31.45 | jordanm | a 32bit chroot might work. debian isn't exactly a multi-arch system |
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| 06:33.29 | agent0range | im looking at this http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Using_proprietary_i386_apps_on_an_amd64_system/print |
| 06:33.46 | frewsxcv | jordanm, i still get the error |
| 06:35.13 | agent0range | it looks like java wont look for libs in the 32 bit paths |
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| 06:38.05 | jordanm | frewsxcv: did you select the proper locale to generate? |
| 06:38.31 | karsten | If I'm updating from lenny to squeeze, volatile isn't applicable, correct? |
| 06:38.54 | jordanm | !tell karsten about lenny->squeeze |
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| 06:39.05 | jordanm | correct |
| 06:41.06 | frewsxcv | jordanm, i picked utf 8 and still get the error. should i try something else? |
| 06:41.31 | frewsxcv | what does volatile mean? i saw that and was curious |
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| 06:43.06 | simonrvn | msg the bot about it |
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| 06:44.04 | jordanm | frewsxcv: no, that is the one you want |
| 06:45.00 | jordanm | frewsxcv: are you connected via ssh? |
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| 06:46.13 | frewsxcv | jordanm, yes |
| 06:46.21 | frewsxcv | jordanm, i am connected via ssh |
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| 07:06.32 | iman | i have this permission in a directory "drwxr-xr-x", how can i change it to "drwxr-wxr-x" in all sub directory ? |
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| 07:09.42 | Dewi | iman: you've got one too many chars there |
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| 07:10.23 | Dewi | iman: assuming you mean you want group-writable dirs? |
| 07:10.57 | Dewi | iman: if you're happy to hit files too, that's chmod -R g+w |
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| 07:11.43 | Dewi | iman: if you want to avoid giving it to the files, you'll need more like 'find -type d -print0 | xargs -0r chmod g+w ' |
| 07:12.05 | Dewi | be careful |
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| 07:22.13 | rgl | hi |
| 07:22.40 | rgl | is there a way to override a package file permissions? |
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| 07:23.00 | rgl | that is, override the permissions of a directory created by a package (without modifying the package) |
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| 07:24.28 | Dewi | rgl: sure, you can change it |
| 07:24.39 | rgl | how? :) |
| 07:24.41 | Dewi | rgl: might break the next upgrade, depending where it is and what you're doing |
| 07:24.51 | Dewi | rgl: chmod? |
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| 07:25.28 | rgl | sure, but will that work on the next package upgrade? won't the packge change the permissions back? |
| 07:25.38 | Dewi | potentially. |
| 07:25.50 | Dewi | why do you want different permissions for that? |
| 07:25.53 | rgl | I wasn't looking for that :D |
| 07:26.11 | Dewi | are you talking about /etc ? |
| 07:26.17 | Dewi | changes you make to /etc are likely to stay |
| 07:26.19 | rgl | the nullmailer remotes file has permissions for everyone. but there is a password inside it |
| 07:26.46 | rgl | oh, they are? |
| 07:27.20 | rgl | I though you had to register some kind of "permission override" |
| 07:27.21 | Dewi | nods |
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| 07:27.34 | Dewi | rgl: haven't heard of that. Configuration files are in /etc for you to change |
| 07:27.55 | Dewi | rgl: and yeah that's normally their contents, but permissions are unlikely to clobber either |
| 07:28.57 | rgl | indeed. for the file content I've noticed the package (re)installation will warn me. but didn't notice it for the perms. |
| 07:29.08 | rgl | ok thx :)( |
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| 07:29.39 | Dewi | rgl: well if the file contents is default it might clobber your perms with a new defaults version |
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| 07:30.09 | Dewi | rgl: but if you've changed the contents too in any way, it will ask, and if you let it clobber that you'll need to fix the perms again probably |
| 07:30.21 | rgl | indeed. thats what I would expect. |
| 07:30.39 | Dewi | so even if you're using defaults, just add a space or something so at least you'll know |
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| 07:30.45 | Dewi | or a comment, heh |
| 07:30.50 | Dewi | # fix the perms of this file |
| 07:31.01 | rgl | :D |
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| 07:51.11 | NginUS | from the nightly netinst iso, grub wouldnt install, and lilo wouldnt boot- so now I have a fresh install w/o a bootloader at all. There's a seperate boot partition on straight ext2, root's ext4 on LVM2. Could someone advise on installing grub2? |
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| 07:52.30 | tomodachi | NginUS: i guess you could try booting of a live cd |
| 07:52.35 | tomodachi | chrooting into your debian installation |
| 07:52.45 | tomodachi | and then running the grub-install command with the magic parameters |
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| 07:52.52 | tomodachi | to reinstall the grub bootloader |
| 07:53.40 | NginUS | I'd have to find what the kernel's path & name is I suppose. Need a LiveCD I can install LVM2 to, then activate the necessary partitions somehow. |
| 07:54.19 | NginUS | I wonder if I'd need a specific version liveCD to support ext4 & lvm2 |
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| 08:02.34 | Snadder | Could anyone point me in the right direction for compiling my own php version as a .deb package? |
| 08:04.36 | ethanol | Snadder: http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals#maint-guide |
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| 08:09.42 | Snadder | ethanol, is there a way of taking a program from an previous version of debian.. and compile it so it name-collide with the current version of debian? |
| 08:09.59 | Snadder | *dosn't name collide* |
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| 08:10.39 | karsten | jordanm: FYI: mostly through a lenny => squeeze update, heading hoem for the night. Not sure it's going to boot cleanly, ut I'll deal with it in the AM. |
| 08:10.45 | karsten | jordanm: thanks again for the help |
| 08:10.54 | ethanol | Snadder: yeah... rename it? :| |
| 08:11.10 | Snadder | ethanol, how do I rename it? |
| 08:11.21 | ethanol | Snadder: read. |
| 08:11.38 | Snadder | ethanol, php 5.3 and 5.2 is normally installed under the same location also.. as php5 |
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| 08:12.50 | Snadder | ethanol, where can I read about that? |
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| 08:19.50 | dv- | is testing going to upgrade to gnome 2.32? |
| 08:20.58 | puty1 | hi. how i can block or deny atack from w00tw00t.at.blackhats. romanian. anti? "ZmEU" thanks |
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| 08:23.22 | ethanol | puty1: try #netfilter ? though response will not be instant |
| 08:23.30 | ethanol | puty1: otherwise, google for iptables / netfilter how-to's |
| 08:24.36 | puty1 | but the attack comes from proxy every time with diferent ip |
| 08:25.37 | puty1 | its some kind of script looking for vurneability i thing |
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| 08:31.19 | jelly | puty1: this script targets web servers, right? You might want to use an application firewall like mod_security |
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| 08:34.02 | puty1 | jelly yes exactly. i'am using mod_security but nothing. I thing that i need put some rules to block it:) but how?:) |
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| 08:35.09 | jelly | puty1: I hope you're not asking me to read the (rather exhaustive) documentation instead of you. |
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| 08:36.49 | puty1 | no |
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| 08:51.07 | funyun | hi. i just installed a fresh version of debian lenny on my dedicated server. can anyone tell me how to upgrade to debian squeeze? |
| 08:51.26 | noodles900 | why? |
| 08:51.40 | funyun | because lenny is old. no? |
| 08:51.44 | noodles900 | I mean - why do you want to go unstable on a dedicated server |
| 08:51.46 | Bushmills | hiring a consultant would be one option |
| 08:51.50 | noodles900 | !sns |
| 08:52.16 | noodles900 | funyun: define old? |
| 08:52.42 | noodles900 | funyun: what are you trying to do with a dedicated server that lenny will not do ? |
| 08:52.56 | funyun | i need updated apps |
| 08:53.05 | Bushmills | why not upgrade to squeeze when squeeze is stable? |
| 08:53.06 | funyun | lenny's updates stopped like 2 years ago |
| 08:53.25 | noodles900 | funyun: lenny hasn't been out 2 years yet |
| 08:53.25 | themill | funyun: squeeze is not stable yet. |
| 08:53.36 | kwork | funyun, lenny+volatile |
| 08:53.40 | funyun | when will it be stable? |
| 08:53.49 | noodles900 | funyun: lenny and backports |
| 08:53.51 | themill | funyun: sooner if you help |
| 08:53.56 | Bushmills | soon. within the next 2 years |
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| 08:54.06 | funyun | that's a long wait |
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| 08:54.26 | Bushmills | waiting is easy, and doesn't take a lot of effort |
| 08:54.28 | noodles900 | funyun: what is lenny not doing for you? What is your spevccific problem? |
| 08:55.01 | funyun | i had lenny on my last server and there were a bunch of apps i could not use. and when i asked in here if there was a work around. you guys said only if i upgrade to squeeze or some other one. sid i think |
| 08:55.18 | funyun | so now that i have a new server. i want to avoid this hassle for the future |
| 08:55.29 | noodles900 | funyun: which apps? and please define "could not use" |
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| 08:56.14 | funyun | can't remember now. but they could not be built on lenny. or something like that. sorry, i'm a total noob so i might not be able to give the exact answers you need |
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| 08:56.36 | puty1 | funyun is web server? file server or what is ? |
| 08:56.39 | noodles900 | funyun: as a total n00b you *really* should use lenny |
| 08:57.13 | funyun | well there was a lot of stuff that did not work on lenny. so i don't see any reason to go back |
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| 08:57.20 | scx | hello |
| 08:57.34 | puty1 | i recomend you also stay in lenny |
| 08:57.34 | funyun | why are you guys so against me using squeeze? |
| 08:57.49 | noodles900 | funyun: define "lot of stuff" Your query is vague to say the least |
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| 08:58.09 | Bushmills | we aren't. we just assume that if you're able to run squeeze, you're also able to find out how to upgrade to squeeze |
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| 08:58.17 | noodles900 | funyun: squeeze is not stable |
| 08:58.26 | themill | funyun: squeeze has no security support which makes it unsuitable for a lot of uses still |
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| 08:58.30 | Bushmills | or, vice versa. if you can't do that yourself, you'll have problems with squeeze |
| 08:58.38 | jelly | funyun: first rule is, make it work; second rule probably is, make it secure, and this is where squeeze fails at present |
| 08:58.42 | funyun | noodles900: i understand that. but this was months ago. and i have no clue what it was. what i know is that it happened often. and when i would come here to seek help. you guys would tell me to upgrade to squeeze or sid |
| 08:58.44 | scx | what resulats is acceptable by grep 'Hello, \{2\}World' |
| 08:58.52 | noodles900 | funyun: given your level and style of querying here - you should stick with lenny ;) |
| 08:58.56 | scx | Hello, Hello World |
| 08:58.57 | scx | ? |
| 08:59.31 | Bushmills | can't imagine that "upgrade to sid" is frequently advised here |
| 08:59.39 | noodles900 | funyun: install lenny, run your server and come back here if something s giving trouble |
| 08:59.45 | themill | Bushmills: not by people who remain in the channel for very long, no. |
| 08:59.48 | jelly | scx: that {2} only refers to the subexpression immediately preceding it, in this case that expression seems to be a single " " character |
| 08:59.53 | funyun | noodles900: well how would a wildcard type of guy go about upgrading to squeeze? |
| 08:59.58 | scx | jelly: thx |
| 09:00.06 | noodles900 | funyun: he wouldn't |
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| 09:00.22 | jelly | scx: I'm not sure which implementation of grep even supports that syntax |
| 09:00.36 | funyun | noodles900: i live life on the edge. security is of no importance to me |
| 09:00.51 | noodles900 | go and install centos thenl |
| 09:01.06 | funyun | i just need some help installing squeeze. that's all |
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| 09:01.28 | noodles900 | ffs - just take a hint - stick with lenny until you have a SPECIFIC problem |
| 09:02.30 | funyun | noodles900: lets say two days from now i run into the problems. even tho i've set my server up as a lenny server. would i still be able to upgrade without causing harm or losing data? |
| 09:02.34 | kylemcgill | noodles900: do you consider CentOS to be an insecure OS? Truthfully? |
| 09:03.04 | jpinx-eeepc | funyun: you only have to instal debian once in your life unless you break it |
| 09:03.26 | funyun | jpinx-eeepc: alright. thank you :) |
| 09:03.42 | kwork | funyun, you still have failed to say what software didnot work on lenny |
| 09:03.46 | Bushmills | jpinx-eeepc, unless you put it on several computers |
| 09:03.47 | jpinx-eeepc | funyun: and you break it by trying to upgrade it to non-stable without knowing what you're doing |
| 09:04.04 | EmleyMoor | Bits of my old i386 installation dated back to slink |
| 09:04.14 | mjmt | funyun: Yes you can always upgrade. But downgrading otoh is next to impossible. |
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| 09:04.36 | funyun | kwork: they worked. they were just extremely outdated |
| 09:04.45 | funyun | kwork: and i needed the newest versions |
| 09:04.54 | kwork | funyun, for example? |
| 09:04.57 | jpinx-eeepc | !sns |
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| 09:05.34 | dselect | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of themill) |
| 09:06.00 | puty1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:06.05 | themill | ^^ dselect is working off yesterday's backup of dpkg's db. The factoids are readonly. Happy hunting. |
| 09:06.10 | themill | %test |
| 09:06.10 | dselect | Test failed. |
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| 09:06.33 | funyun | kwork: check a site called debianpackages.com or something like that. it's the one you guys recommended to me. there was where the programs i needed were and the newest versions were only for squeeze and sid. if you search, i'm sure you will find a ton. but i do not remember the names |
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| 09:06.56 | themill | funyun: that wouldn't have been recommended by anyone here. |
| 09:07.03 | puty1 | but who is this gay? |
| 09:07.17 | funyun | themill: well they were |
| 09:07.24 | jpinx-eeepc | funyun: you find packages in packages.debian.org or by using apt-cache search |
| 09:07.36 | funyun | jpinx-eeepc: yes. that's the one |
| 09:07.44 | kylemcgill | LOL |
| 09:07.57 | kylemcgill | sigh thats fail |
| 09:08.41 | jpinx-eeepc | funyun: please install lenny and then come back here where we will happily help with the official pckagesa |
| 09:08.47 | kwork | funyun, the fact that there is newer version out doesnot mean that you most definetly need the newest version. |
| 09:08.48 | puty1 | funyun You don't understand or you don¡t want understand it. |
| 09:08.49 | jpinx-eeepc | *packages --- even |
| 09:08.53 | dv- | i have a weird problem. i have a server on a lan and i can connect to it from other machines on the lan, but not the server. i've disabled iptables on the server but the connection is still just dropped. what should i do? |
| 09:09.09 | kwork | dv-, tcpdump see if the data reaches the server at all |
| 09:09.46 | kwork | dv-, is the service even running you are tryng to connect to ? |
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| 09:10.19 | funyun | kwork: for what i needed. the newest version was requiredd |
| 09:10.29 | funyun | puty1: i completely understand |
| 09:10.46 | jpinx-eeepc | funyun: what package, what usage and what version? |
| 09:10.49 | dv- | kwork: yes... |
| 09:10.58 | jpinx-eeepc | funyun: we can only work with specifics |
| 09:11.10 | dv- | kwork: pdnsd 8005 pdnsd 4u IPv4 922358 0t0 TCP 10.0.2.1:53 (LISTEN) |
| 09:11.21 | dv- | kwork: i can connect to it from other machines, but not 10.0.2.1 |
| 09:12.25 | kwork | dv-, isnt 10.0.2.1 the same machine the service is listening on? |
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| 09:13.07 | dv- | right. i want the server machine to use the dns server it's running |
| 09:13.27 | kwork | dv-, how you try to connect do it ? |
| 09:13.47 | kwork | dv-, dig @10.0.2.1 google.com |
| 09:13.53 | dv- | kwork: host, telnet, nc, ping ... nothing works |
| 09:14.12 | dv- | everything i send to 10.0.2.1 from 10.0.2.1 is blackholed |
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| 09:14.35 | kwork | dv-, is your lo interface up ? |
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| 09:14.53 | d0x | Hi, is it possible to get information about the ram modules on an terminal? |
| 09:15.00 | puty1 | dv- ping to localhost work? |
| 09:15.02 | dv- | kwork: no |
| 09:15.08 | dv- | is it supposed to be? |
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| 09:15.14 | kwork | localhost != 10.0.2.1 |
| 09:15.50 | dv- | ping to 127.0.0.1 yeah |
| 09:15.54 | dv- | it works |
| 09:16.45 | dv- | erm |
| 09:17.00 | kwork | dv-, can you ping the 10. adr ? |
| 09:17.22 | dv- | no, but this is weird: |
| 09:17.27 | dv- | root@the:/etc# ping 127.0.0.1 |
| 09:17.27 | dv- | PING 127.0.0.1 (127.0.0.1) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 09:17.27 | dv- | 64 bytes from 95.176.255.248: icmp_req=1 ttl=127 time=4.93 ms |
| 09:17.34 | kwork | hmmmz |
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| 09:17.54 | kwork | dunno what could cause that but maybe try to up lo interface |
| 09:18.39 | puty1 | dv- pastebin ifconfig |
| 09:18.42 | dv- | oh |
| 09:18.50 | dv- | now it works! |
| 09:19.01 | dv- | i just did ifconfig lo up |
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| 09:19.05 | kwork | :) |
| 09:19.08 | puty1 | :) |
| 09:19.12 | dv- | how odd. why is that? |
| 09:19.44 | dv- | and why did i get a reply from my isp's ip when pinging 127.0.0.1 before? |
| 09:19.56 | kwork | because your interface has that ip |
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| 09:20.05 | kwork | and if you dont have lo interface thats the only one what can answer |
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| 09:22.36 | dv- | how bizarre |
| 09:24.08 | puty1 | kwork but if he can ping to 127.0.0.1 , lo should be up already |
| 09:24.55 | dv- | well i've never seen that ip before |
| 09:25.04 | dv- | it's not mine |
| 09:25.16 | puty1 | is ip of your card |
| 09:25.25 | puty1 | of your interface |
| 09:25.44 | puty1 | is localhost |
| 09:25.52 | kwork | puty1, but what could make it answer from eth ip then? |
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| 09:26.02 | dv- | i mean 95.176.255.248 |
| 09:26.30 | nsadmin | dv-, pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 09:27.25 | puty1 | kwork i mean if the lo was down is imposible make ping to local |
| 09:27.48 | dv- | nsadmin: http://pastebin.com/FZiwX4rD |
| 09:28.33 | dv- | however i have to manually bring up eth1 and ppp every time i reboot, so i don't think that works at all |
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| 09:30.16 | kwork | dv-, eth1 is missing auto |
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| 09:31.02 | kwork | dv-, and i think ppp should be brought after the underlayin interface |
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| 09:31.07 | kwork | brought up |
| 09:31.49 | dv- | i don't remember ever editing that file |
| 09:32.04 | puty1 | dv- edit it now:) |
| 09:32.41 | dv- | these config files just confuse me |
| 09:32.56 | dv- | why can't it be a shell script and a series of ifconfig/iptable commands instead? |
| 09:33.13 | dv- | now i have to learn yet another syntax |
| 09:35.29 | dv- | alright i rearranged it and added auto eth1. will this do? http://pastebin.com/X40iY6wz |
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| 09:36.15 | g0rd0n | hi |
| 09:36.40 | g0rd0n | i mistakingly upgraded the mysql-server from lenny to backports... how can i downgrade it to lenny's version again? |
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| 09:37.30 | nsadmin | downgrades are not supported... what you should do in this case is... |
| 09:38.09 | nsadmin | have the current mysql dump all your data so you have it backed up |
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| 09:38.16 | nsadmin | purge mysql |
| 09:38.25 | nsadmin | install the one you want |
| 09:38.29 | nsadmin | restore the data |
| 09:38.30 | g0rd0n | lol that is not a possiblity |
| 09:38.30 | g0rd0n | :P |
| 09:38.46 | nsadmin | why? there is no data? |
| 09:38.55 | g0rd0n | there is many |
| 09:39.13 | g0rd0n | but i am going to move the stuff anyway to a new fresh lenny installation so... i dont want to bother now |
| 09:39.27 | nsadmin | if you want to keep it, you are advised to make dumps |
| 09:39.31 | g0rd0n | basically php still has the 5.0 client and i guess this poses some problems... have a joomla site that is making problem |
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| 09:40.09 | funyun | my auto completion is not working for debian lenny. when i type cd h+TAB. i get cd h-sh: <( compgen -d -- 'h' ): No such file or directory |
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| 09:40.19 | funyun | can anyone help me fix this? |
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| 09:42.52 | jpinx-eeepc | funyun: what's the output of ls h* |
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| 09:43.44 | frikinz | dv-: iface eth0 inet manual are you sure "manual" is allowed there? |
| 09:44.15 | funyun | jpinx-eeepc it shows my user in the home directory |
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| 09:44.24 | funyun | sorry for private |
| 09:44.34 | jpinx-eeepc | funyun: do NOT /msg me |
| 09:44.54 | funyun | jpinx-eeepc: tab accidently did it. sorry |
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| 09:45.22 | jpinx-eeepc | funyun: what is your pwd |
| 09:45.36 | funyun | jpinx-eeepc: / |
| 09:46.04 | funyun | jpinx-eeepc: i remember the command has something to do with bash |
| 09:46.06 | frikinz | funyun: same problem as root and as user? |
| 09:46.06 | funyun | to fix it |
| 09:46.08 | jpinx-eeepc | then try cd /ho+tab |
| 09:46.13 | funyun | this has happened before |
| 09:46.24 | funyun | frikinz: no. just with user |
| 09:46.34 | jpinx-eeepc | funyun: before? YOU SAID THIS IS A FRESH INSTAL |
| 09:46.40 | jpinx-eeepc | oOOPS |
| 09:46.49 | funyun | jpinx-eeepc: it is. i mean in the past |
| 09:46.54 | jpinx-eeepc | sorry for the caps lock |
| 09:47.10 | binbash_ | the problem is |
| 09:47.16 | binbash_ | that your enviourment is /bin/sh |
| 09:47.19 | binbash_ | and not /bin/bash |
| 09:47.20 | binbash_ | :) |
| 09:47.23 | funyun | jpinx-eeepc: basically everytime i do a fresh install of debian. i get this problem |
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| 09:47.23 | binbash_ | might want to change that |
| 09:47.28 | frikinz | try to see if completion is not enabled 2 times. so maybe you could try commenting or uncommenting the 3 lines in ~/.bashrc about completion |
| 09:47.37 | funyun | binbash_: how can i fix that? |
| 09:47.38 | frikinz | I've had this problem on a fresh install |
| 09:47.42 | binbash_ | well |
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| 09:48.08 | jpinx-eeepc | !wb dpkg |
| 09:48.08 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! dpkg has returned! |
| 09:48.13 | funyun | there's a simple command i've use before. fixes it right away |
| 09:48.30 | binbash_ | yeah |
| 09:48.32 | binbash_ | chsh |
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| 09:48.32 | jpinx-eeepc | funyun: use bash |
| 09:48.33 | binbash_ | :) |
| 09:48.41 | binbash_ | type chsh "username" |
| 09:48.49 | binbash_ | and you can switch it to /bin/bash |
| 09:48.57 | jpinx-eeepc | funyun: how did you change that ? Bash is the default shell on fresh installs |
| 09:49.21 | jpinx-eeepc | or did you do something when you created the user? |
| 09:49.26 | binbash_ | he did |
| 09:49.28 | nsadmin | or any shell you want that you have installed and in /etc/shells |
| 09:49.31 | fous_ | hi, is it which parameters are passed to the ip-pre-up/if-post-down scripts ? |
| 09:49.31 | binbash_ | prop used useradd |
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| 09:49.34 | binbash_ | instead of adduser |
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| 09:49.40 | binbash_ | :P |
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| 09:49.45 | jpinx-eeepc | binbash_: ;) |
| 09:49.49 | funyun | binbash_: Enter the new value, or press ENTER for the default |
| 09:49.56 | binbash_ | so |
| 09:49.57 | binbash_ | type |
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| 09:49.59 | binbash_ | /bin/bash |
| 09:50.00 | binbash_ | :P |
| 09:50.06 | avocado | hey, i have a cronjob scheduled at: 0 0 2-31 * 0 |
| 09:50.15 | avocado | why did it run tonight? |
| 09:50.28 | nsadmin | enteritis... enterosity... enterism... |
| 09:50.58 | funyun | binbash_: now it works. thank you :) |
| 09:51.04 | binbash_ | your welcome |
| 09:51.05 | binbash_ | :-) |
| 09:51.14 | binbash_ | use adduser |
| 09:51.16 | binbash_ | the next time |
| 09:51.25 | binbash_ | then you wont have this issue |
| 09:51.49 | jpinx-eeepc | binbash_: useradd will work if you define everything correctly? |
| 09:51.56 | funyun | alright :) |
| 09:51.59 | nsadmin | or if you do end up using useradd, make sure you understand it... it's more flexible, but a little confusing maybe |
| 09:52.00 | binbash_ | that's true but, |
| 09:52.12 | binbash_ | adduser is easier |
| 09:52.14 | binbash_ | for new users |
| 09:52.16 | binbash_ | (imo) |
| 09:52.21 | jpinx-eeepc | true |
| 09:52.30 | nsadmin | seems like it's more for scripts |
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| 09:53.47 | binbash_ | hmm don't know why there are 2, never searched that |
| 09:53.48 | binbash_ | haha |
| 09:54.04 | binbash_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:54.19 | binbash_ | i saw that in the manpage, and just used adduser :D |
| 09:54.40 | eviltoaster | what does "syncrepl rid=1" do in slapd.conf? rid not syncrepl. |
| 09:54.41 | nsadmin | well adduser uses useradd |
| 09:54.43 | kooll | adduser is interactive, and asks stuff about the user. useradd is great for automated creation |
| 09:54.55 | binbash_ | yeah |
| 09:55.05 | binbash_ | i agree |
| 09:55.12 | binbash_ | for system users i just use adduser |
| 09:55.14 | binbash_ | in scripts |
| 09:55.23 | nsadmin | but newusers is much better, much faster if you're looking at adding a bunch of users at once |
| 09:55.31 | frikinz | nevertheless, it should not load the completion if not running in bash. probably the" if [ -n "$BASH_VERSION" ]; . ~/.bashrc " in .profile |
| 09:55.32 | binbash_ | newusers ;o? |
| 09:55.48 | binbash_ | that's new for me.. *checks out the manpage |
| 09:55.52 | nsadmin | yep, it's been part of the shadow passwd suite for years and years |
| 09:56.11 | binbash_ | nice! |
| 09:56.34 | nsadmin | they wanted to deprecate it... I guess they never did :) |
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| 10:07.43 | eviltoaster | what does "syncrepl rid=1" do in slapd.conf? only need to know what rid is doing! |
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| 10:09.11 | nsadmin | you'd have to check the docs to find otu |
| 10:09.36 | eviltoaster | i did but i don't understand :) |
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| 10:10.00 | nsadmin | I haven't and I don't understand either... |
| 10:10.23 | nsadmin | so you're going to have to explain exactly what you don't understand about what you read |
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| 10:13.24 | sebdah | I have some strange behavior since a reboot of one of my servers. Does anyone have a clue on what this is about: |
| 10:13.25 | sebdah | root@bayon:/var/tmp/MobBro/WTK2.5.2# ls -l /var/tmp/MobBro/WTK2.5.2/preverify |
| 10:13.25 | sebdah | -rwxr-xr-x 1 tomcat6 tomcat6 10463 2008-12-04 15:27 /var/tmp/MobBro/WTK2.5.2/preverify |
| 10:13.25 | sebdah | root@bayon:/var/tmp/MobBro/WTK2.5.2# /var/tmp/MobBro/WTK2.5.2/preverify |
| 10:13.25 | sebdah | -bash: /var/tmp/MobBro/WTK2.5.2/preverify: No such file or directory |
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| 10:14.59 | sebdah | Hi! Does anyone have a clue on what the reason behind this behavior might be? http://dpaste.com/258289/ |
| 10:15.32 | sebdah | I find it strange with the "-bash:" on the forth line |
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| 10:15.39 | nsadmin | file /var/tmp/MobBro/WTK2.5.2/preverify |
| 10:15.58 | sebdah | /var/tmp/MobBro/WTK2.5.2/preverify: ERROR: cannot open `/var/tmp/MobBro/WTK2.5.2/preverify' (No such file or directory) |
| 10:16.12 | nsadmin | so the file is gone |
| 10:16.35 | nsadmin | which kinda makes sense after a reboot, which cleans tmp dirs |
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| 10:17.00 | sebdah | Well even if I reinstall in the same location I get the same behavior |
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| 10:17.09 | sebdah | This also applies to files in non-temp dirs |
| 10:17.17 | petemc | sebdah: anything in dmesg ? |
| 10:17.19 | sebdah | So maybe a fs or disk issue |
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| 10:17.40 | sebdah | Not really no |
| 10:17.53 | petemc | syslog / messages? |
| 10:18.01 | nsadmin | I guess that's possible, but here you have a simple situation: the file you were trying to run is not present |
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| 10:18.17 | funyun | how can i install libvpx-dev on debian lenny? |
| 10:18.44 | nsadmin | , versions libvpx-dev |
| 10:18.44 | jpinx-eeepc | ,versions libvpx-dev |
| 10:18.45 | judd | Package libvpx-dev on i386 -- sid: 0.9.1-1; squeeze: 0.9.1-1; experimental: 0.9.2-1 |
| 10:19.05 | jpinx-eeepc | funyun: what does it do? |
| 10:19.26 | funyun | jpinx-eeepc: i need it to build ffmpeg from svn |
| 10:19.26 | nsadmin | , info libvpx-dev |
| 10:19.29 | judd | No record of package 'libvpx-dev' in lenny/i386. |
| 10:19.40 | nsadmin | , info libvpx-dev --release=squeeze |
| 10:19.42 | judd | Package libvpx-dev (libdevel, optional) in squeeze/i386: VP8 video codec (development files). Version: 0.9.1-1; Size: 278.7k; Installed: 932k; Homepage: http://www.webmproject.org |
| 10:20.17 | blip2 | might be in backports |
| 10:20.25 | jpinx-eeepc | or in dmm |
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| 10:21.09 | jpinx-eeepc | funyun: is that the *only* way to do what you want - will audacity not do it' |
| 10:21.12 | funyun | i've added both of those to my sources list. but it still was not installed |
| 10:21.20 | alkii | if i have a broken file system, can I return it into something I can use again by just running fsck a lot or should I delete the whole file system & mkfs.ext3 it up again? |
| 10:21.22 | funyun | jpinx-eeepc: ya. only way |
| 10:21.39 | jpinx-eeepc | funyun: did you try audacity and it's plugins? |
| 10:21.57 | sebdah | nsadmin: Yeah. I will do some fs checks and see |
| 10:22.04 | sebdah | Thanks for the input guys |
| 10:22.10 | funyun | jpinx-eeepc: that's an audio editor iirc |
| 10:22.17 | jpinx-eeepc | alkii: run fsck |
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| 10:22.23 | petemc | alkii: fsck may work, if you have to run it a lot id be thinking about why its breaking, possible dodgy disk or controller |
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| 10:22.49 | jpinx-eeepc | funyun: it does a lot of things |
| 10:23.05 | funyun | jpinx-eeepc: i highly doubt it can compare to ffmpeg |
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| 10:23.38 | alkii | petemc: well the comp wouldn't boot anymore, so I ran fsck from a rescue system, then the whole file system was gone besides lost+found, and now every time I run it again I find some more "block count wrong", "block bitmap differences" etc. oh actually this last time it went through fine. mh. |
| 10:23.50 | alkii | petemc: but three passes of fsck found something, my point is |
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| 10:25.09 | jpinx-eeepc | ,depends ffmpeg |
| 10:25.12 | judd | Package ffmpeg -- depends: libavcodec51 (>= 0.svn20080206-8) | libavcodec-unstripped-51 (>= 0.svn20080206-8), libavdevice52 (>= 0.svn20080206-8) | libavdevice-unstripped-52 (>= 0.svn20080206-8), libavformat52 (>= 0.svn20080206-8) | libavformat-unstripped-52 (>= 0.svn20080206-8), libavutil49 (>= 0.svn20080206-8) | libavutil-unstripped-49 (>= 0.svn20080206-8), libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libfreetype6 (>= |
| 10:25.13 | judd | 2.3.5), libimlib2, libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1), libswscale0 (>= 0.svn20080206-8) | libswscale-unstripped-0 (>= 0.svn20080206-8). |
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| 10:25.39 | jpinx-eeepc | funyun: I have ffmpeg installed in lenny here |
| 10:25.59 | funyun | i need the latest version |
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| 10:26.14 | jpinx-eeepc | ,versions ffmpeg |
| 10:26.15 | judd | Package ffmpeg on i386 -- etch: 0.cvs20060823-8+etch1; etch-security: 0.cvs20060823-8+etch1; lenny: 0.svn20080206-18+lenny1; lenny-security: 0.svn20080206-18+lenny1; etch-multimedia: 3:20070329-0.0etch1; lenny-multimedia: 3:20080706-0.3lenny2; sid: 4:0.5.2-6; squeeze: 4:0.5.2-6; experimental: 4:0.6-2; sid-multimedia: 5:0.6~svn20100726-0.1; squeeze-multimedia: |
| 10:26.16 | judd | 5:0.6~svn20100726-0.1 |
| 10:26.28 | jpinx-eeepc | funyun: why? |
| 10:26.58 | funyun | to have the latest features. ffmpeg updates very often. adding much better features |
| 10:27.31 | funyun | this is why i wanted to install squeeze. i feel extremely limited with lenny :'( |
| 10:27.33 | jpinx-eeepc | funyun: which version number do you need? |
| 10:27.52 | funyun | jpinx-eeepc: i need to build from svn |
| 10:28.03 | funyun | jpinx-eeepc: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=786095 |
| 10:28.13 | xxtjaxx | funyun: what about backports? |
| 10:28.57 | valdyn | funyun: that does not explain why you need the latest |
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| 10:29.09 | funyun | xxtjaxx: can i get libvpx-dev from backports? i'm not sure how to check |
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| 10:30.06 | xxtjaxx | sec |
| 10:30.08 | jpinx-eeepc | funyun: explain how ffmpeg works with svn ? |
| 10:30.09 | nsadmin | you actually need the whole lib, not just -dev |
| 10:30.13 | funyun | valdyn: better features. it does more. for instance adding watermarks |
| 10:30.34 | funyun | jpinx-eeepc: svn checkout svn://svn.ffmpeg.org/ffmpeg/trunk ffmpeg |
| 10:30.43 | nsadmin | if something is asking for -dev, it's to link to the actual library which must be installed for the thing you're linking to work |
| 10:30.49 | jpinx-eeepc | that is not supported in debian |
| 10:31.22 | jpinx-eeepc | funyun: you said this is a server? |
| 10:31.28 | funyun | yes; |
| 10:31.30 | rhineshell | hello I use a amd64 system with squeeze on it. On this system I use virtual-box. BUT, this VBox offer only x86 guests. If I put a SLES-64 DVD-Image to boot with, I get an error, that this is just a 32bit system |
| 10:31.56 | nsadmin | ok |
| 10:32.08 | nsadmin | don't see problem or question |
| 10:32.20 | valdyn | rhineshell: so? |
| 10:32.21 | jpinx-eeepc | nor me |
| 10:33.44 | funyun | nsadmin: is it possible to install the whole lib on lenny? |
| 10:34.03 | jpinx-eeepc | funyun: have you checked dmm? |
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| 10:34.26 | funyun | jpinx-eeepc: i'm not sure how to. but it is added in my sources list |
| 10:34.34 | nsadmin | you can try to backport it... but it's a lib and so it's a little fussy about what context it's beign built in |
| 10:34.53 | nsadmin | you might also have to backport its build depends |
| 10:34.55 | jpinx-eeepc | funyun: adding random stuff in your sourcces list is a sure way to break your system |
| 10:34.58 | nsadmin | or some of them |
| 10:35.05 | rhineshell | valdyn: but it should support amd64???! |
| 10:35.09 | jpinx-eeepc | funyun: at least read the notes |
| 10:35.13 | jpinx-eeepc | !dmm |
| 10:35.15 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>. |
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| 10:35.29 | funyun | jpinx-eeepc: but it's not random is it? i probably use multimedia source more than the others |
| 10:35.40 | valdyn | rhineshell: not if your kernel is a 32-bit kernel |
| 10:35.48 | valdyn | rhineshell: show us the output of "uname -r" |
| 10:35.52 | jpinx-eeepc | funyun: you declared tht you "don't know how to use it" |
| 10:35.58 | rhineshell | it is a amd64 |
| 10:36.15 | rhineshell | 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 10:36.16 | funyun | jpinx-eeepc: i don't but i know many things i need depend on it |
| 10:36.28 | valdyn | rhineshell: then your vbox is a 32-bit vbox |
| 10:36.38 | jpinx-eeepc | then learn how to use dmm to start with - it's not hard |
| 10:36.54 | rhineshell | is there only a 32-bit version in the debian repo?? |
| 10:37.27 | valdyn | rhineshell: what does "arch" show? |
| 10:37.30 | funyun | jpinx-eeepc: search through the site? |
| 10:38.01 | rhineshell | valdyn: x86_64 |
| 10:38.03 | funyun | jpinx-eeepc: can you tell me how? |
| 10:38.22 | jpinx-eeepc | funyun: did you read the factoid above ? |
| 10:39.13 | valdyn | rhineshell: looks like this is a limitation or misconfiguration in vbox then |
| 10:39.17 | valdyn | rhineshell: cant help you with that |
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| 10:40.17 | valdyn | or this really is an itanium version of sles |
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| 10:40.43 | funyun | jpinx-eeepc: yes. i have visited the site and searched that way. is that what you mean? |
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| 10:42.25 | alkii | also, is there any better tool than fsck to check for actual disk issues as opposed to file system issues? |
| 10:42.36 | valdyn | alkii: badblocks |
| 10:43.49 | alkii | valdyn: should i use any peculiar options or just point it at the device? |
| 10:44.37 | funyun | can anyone help me with installing squeeze? |
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| 10:48.51 | jpinx-eeepc | funyun: probably not - if you have to ask how, you won't now how to run it |
| 10:49.00 | rhineshell | valdyn: its AMD64 && EM64T. EM64T is itanium I think |
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| 10:49.26 | rhineshell | I try to install a 64Debian to blaim it to suse |
| 10:49.29 | valdyn | rhineshell: no, both is amd64 |
| 10:49.36 | funyun | jpinx-eeepc: well is there anyway to get this working on lenny? |
| 10:50.21 | jpinx-eeepc | funyun: /msg dpkg backports, dmm, ssb |
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| 10:52.55 | shahri | question: last Wednesday (at least if you believe the ls -la output... someone might have altered it with touch), a directory was created inside my /var/www/shahri/img folder (it's where I store images I want to share via HTTP) named ".BINARY_NAME-select" with a certain picture of its parent directory in it - I have no idea which program could possibly create that folder, google gives 0 results and there aren't any other folders on |
| 10:52.55 | shahri | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:53.19 | Steppenwolf | anyone know How I restore the original startup?..I renamed some of the files from S* to K* in rc3.d and have forgotten which |
| 10:53.24 | shahri | so my suspicion is that someone infected my system with a frigging virus - because that's kind of the most obvious answer |
| 10:53.45 | shahri | any suggestions on what else this could be or what I should do? |
| 10:53.47 | Steppenwolf | virus in Debian? |
| 10:53.54 | shahri | Steppenwolf: it's not that hard really |
| 10:54.04 | shahri | especially if you have physical access |
| 10:54.10 | Steppenwolf | yup |
| 10:54.39 | shahri | and I happened to be on a school trip last week |
| 10:54.52 | shahri | now, I was careful to lock the screen whenever I was away, but maybe I forgot it at one point |
| 10:55.14 | Steppenwolf | wow, good.. didn't the children mind |
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| 10:55.34 | shahri | and there was certainly at least one person who is capable of infecting my stuff, even though I have no idea why he would do it |
| 10:55.44 | Steppenwolf | or how? |
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| 10:56.07 | valdyn | shahri: or maybe a remote intruder is way more likely depending on your setup |
| 10:56.14 | Bushmills | shahri, root kits are more likely than viruses |
| 10:56.20 | Steppenwolf | yes |
| 10:56.37 | shahri | Bushmills: that's another possibility, given that I also have Vista (urgh.) on my PC |
| 10:57.10 | shahri | I forgot to mention that it's a laptop btw, so I had it with me on the class trip... if that wasn't obvious |
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| 10:57.16 | Steppenwolf | but Vista will not recognize a nonM$ partition? |
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| 10:58.02 | shahri | well, the malware could've overwritten the MRB and infect my linux partition |
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| 10:58.08 | shahri | *MBR |
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| 10:58.22 | valdyn | geez |
| 10:58.24 | Steppenwolf | then she no boot!... |
| 10:58.32 | shahri | hm? |
| 10:58.56 | Steppenwolf | Vista on first partition? |
| 10:59.00 | valdyn | shahri: usually these things happen the simple way, infecting linux via mbr is *not* simple |
| 10:59.10 | Bushmills | shahri, ssh login on default port with passwords allowed which are weak is usually a bad combination |
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| 10:59.52 | valdyn | shahri: and in that case you might already see the intruder in /var/log/auth.log |
| 10:59.56 | cristi8 | maybe boot into single user mode with root requiring no password? |
| 11:00.13 | shahri | another bad thing is that my root password is much simpler than my user password... so, if someone on the class trip saw me typing in my root password, they might've just switched to TTY when I was away, logged in, installed shit, bam |
| 11:00.46 | Steppenwolf | age of felloetravellers? |
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| 11:01.40 | Steppenwolf | My experience is that most problems are my own fault |
| 11:01.46 | jpinx-eeepc | shahri: look through the logs for odd users |
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| 11:02.20 | Steppenwolf | for instance, upgrading something to the latest version, which usually has bugs |
| 11:02.30 | shahri | unfortunately, /var/log/auth.log only goes back to Oct 10, but the folder was (supposedly) created on Oct 6... |
| 11:02.49 | Steppenwolf | or fiddling with sequences |
| 11:02.50 | valdyn | shahri: /var/log/auth.log.1.gz |
| 11:02.50 | jpinx-eeepc | shahri: disable root ssh, make a decent passwd for root, purge sudo, etc |
| 11:03.06 | valdyn | shahri: etc, old logs are not deleted |
| 11:03.23 | jpinx-eeepc | valdyn: unless manually... ;) |
| 11:03.26 | Steppenwolf | good and check the /etc/sudo thingie |
| 11:03.31 | shahri | ah |
| 11:03.32 | valdyn | yea, unless manually |
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| 11:03.49 | puty1 | put pswd to notebook setup for no livecd acces |
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| 11:04.07 | valdyn | but we have no evidence at all that this was not a user error or the usual stupid zombie bot |
| 11:04.13 | shahri | <jpinx-eeepc> shahri: disable root ssh, make a decent passwd for root, purge sudo, etc <- my NAT blocks port 22 anyway, but yeah, a decent password sounds like a plan |
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| 11:06.43 | puty1 | i mean turn off boot from cd and lock bios :) |
| 11:07.16 | shahri | that makes sense too |
| 11:07.59 | shahri | hm yes, that actually makes things bloody easy for someone who has physical access while I'm away for even 15 minutes... |
| 11:08.07 | shahri | should've thought about that earlier |
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| 11:09.09 | Bushmills | AllowGroup may be useful for sshd config, requiring users to be member of a specific group in order to be allowed ssh access |
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| 11:10.20 | Bushmills | AllowGroups, actually |
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| 11:13.06 | opensol | how do i tell ps -Af to sort by creation time ? |
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| 11:14.37 | shahri | generally speaking, does this seem normal? http://pastebin.com/b4cfVMRq |
| 11:14.48 | shahri | and I'm not doing "su" like crazy the entire time |
| 11:14.57 | shahri | it's something running in the background |
| 11:15.16 | shahri | and it's constant, that's just a short extract |
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| 11:26.25 | |PATRI0T| | hi all |
| 11:26.37 | CissWit | opensol: ps kstart_time -Af |
| 11:26.42 | CissWit | or something like this |
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| 11:32.00 | steven43126 | If i have a NUMA system that has 2 nodes, shouldn't the CPU's be split between both nodes, looking in /sys can cat cpulist, node0 has all the cpu's Node 1 has none ? |
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| 11:33.03 | iulhk | hi all |
| 11:33.47 | homie | hi |
| 11:34.26 | iulhk | trying to install a software at my debian lenny, whenever i try to install i am getting this error "update-rc.d: warning: /etc/init.d/openfire missing LSB information"? |
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| 11:36.34 | homie | do a grep -i lsb /etc/init.d/* |
| 11:36.38 | homie | what do you see ? |
| 11:36.54 | homie | /lib/lsb/init-functions |
| 11:37.09 | homie | either it got no entry for that script, or the script is missing itself something |
| 11:37.17 | cahoot | iulhk: it's a debian package? |
| 11:37.45 | homie | it didn't register itself cleanly, at least not with lsb |
| 11:38.44 | iulhk | homie: alot ,, yes .. /lib/isb/init-functions ... |
| 11:38.45 | abrotman | iulhk: what is the package? where did you get it .. doesn't sound like it was made for lenny |
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| 11:39.21 | iulhk | its openfire jabbar server |
| 11:39.37 | abrotman | iulhk: from which website? |
| 11:40.13 | abrotman | !missing LSB info |
| 11:40.13 | dpkg | From squeeze onwards, Debian is using a dependency-based boot sequence (see /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.Debian). This requires that all init scripts have appropriate headers in them so that the correct order of execution can be determined. Scripts like S25libdevmapper1.02 are left over from Sarge and can be deleted; your own scripts will need LSB headers added: http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts |
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| 11:40.36 | iulhk | abrotman: http://www.igniterealtime.org/downloads/index.jsp |
| 11:40.57 | abrotman | see what the bot said |
| 11:41.10 | homie | ah ok |
| 11:41.16 | homie | eheh, oh man |
| 11:41.36 | homie | initscripts are a pain with runit-run |
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| 11:42.12 | homie | i couldn't get them to work, even though i symlinked them to the correct /etc/sv dir |
| 11:42.49 | homie | i'll just stay with sysvinit |
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| 11:43.06 | iulhk | homie: does it effect at installed software ,, bcoz i hv installed it ,,, and its working .. somewhere i stuck, and i started from scratch ,,so i m getting this error, so i think may its effecting .. is it ? |
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| 11:45.27 | homie | iulhk: erm, no your lsb stuff has nothing todo with my runit-run problems, if you think the reinstall procedure is giving trouble make sure you get rid of the package first before you reinstall it, i.e. purge it totally before you reinstall |
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| 11:47.22 | homie | iulhk: did you upgrade some packages to squeeze maybe ? |
| 11:47.43 | homie | iulhk: and now try to install from lenny ? |
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| 11:49.00 | iulhk | homie: simply i hv downloaded the openfire.deb package and installed it .. i hv updated all required packages ... and then i installed it .. |
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| 11:50.29 | homie | ok there is no openfire for lenny, so it must be squeeze |
| 11:50.38 | homie | and you are on squeeze i think |
| 11:51.17 | homie | i would just reinstall it with apt, after it is installed with dpkg i mean |
| 11:51.32 | puty1 | someone is talking about some patch for lenny on https://saz.sh/2009/03/25/install-openfire-on-debian-lenny/ |
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| 11:51.56 | puty1 | i don¡t know if works |
| 11:52.06 | jpinx-eeepc | ,versions openfire |
| 11:52.07 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'openfire' was found in i386. |
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| 12:07.28 | abrotman | everyman: you may not have permissions in that directory |
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| 12:08.10 | compaq | sometimes, when I click the scroll bar in firefox and other programs, the mouse sticks and when I lift the left mouse buttons it still holds on the the scroller. Does anyone know if this is a glitch or a feature, and if it is a feature, how do I get it to happen |
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| 12:09.13 | homie | i think it's a feature |
| 12:09.23 | abrotman | compaq: sounds like oyu're clicking on your mouse wheel |
| 12:09.45 | compaq | abrotman, I don't have one |
| 12:09.53 | compaq | abrotman, I am using a two button mouse |
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| 12:10.15 | abrotman | are you clicking htem together to emulate a third button ? |
| 12:11.27 | compaq | abrotman, no, well maybe some wierd combo happens, but the feature/glitch is that I finally let go of all buttons and it still holds the scrolls bar, so maybe I accidentally do a third button click |
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| 12:12.59 | compaq | I'd like to hold the scroll bar with out keeping a button press down since I don't have a scroll mouse, but its no big deal, I will just buy one next week or something |
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| 12:13.45 | compaq | It used to happen with the scroll mouse too, and it is more convenient then using the wheel |
| 12:14.08 | jpinx-eeepc | compaq: try restarting your browser;) |
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| 12:22.11 | ethanol | submits datacenter access application -_- |
| 12:24.18 | jpinx-eeepc | wonders if datacentres allow mobiles still - mine was rigged to boot the server with a sms |
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| 12:42.59 | haarp | hello. im on debian testing trying to get apcupsd to communicate with my UPS (smartups) via a pl2303 usb/serial adapter. this works fine on my 2.6.35 gentoo box, but on 2.6.32 debian apcupsd complains that it cant communicate with the ups. any ideas what could be wrong? same apcupsd settings on both boxes |
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| 12:51.53 | bla | haarp, check without apcupsd whether this converter works and that you have correct /dev/ttyUSBX device |
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| 12:52.14 | bla | haarp, in case of troubles I'd try stracing it to see why it thinks it failed. |
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| 12:52.22 | bla | No accurate idea what's your case though. |
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| 12:54.10 | haarp | bla: easier said than done, i dont have any other devices here that would need a serial port :P |
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| 12:54.40 | haarp | but yes, im sure i have the right ttyUSB device |
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| 13:13.44 | antivirtel | hello all, what can I do, when I cant install LILO during the setup? this process is failed :| ? |
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| 13:14.38 | antivirtel | I use LVM on a hardware configured RAID5, this may proceed this error? |
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| 13:34.27 | abrotman | is there a way to get a running script to rescan the script to look for changes and use those changes from that point forward? |
| 13:34.35 | abrotman | (without interrupting the run) |
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| 13:40.14 | cusco | abrotman: a script that check if itself has changed? |
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| 13:40.37 | abrotman | no .. i just want to send a SIG or somethign to have to re-chekc the script |
| 13:40.41 | abrotman | i should probably ask #bash |
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| 13:53.12 | zeh235 | hi there. i want to build a debian package from a already compiled source using debhelper, howto do this? |
| 13:53.33 | zeh235 | so i runned, ./configure and make instead of dh_make. but i dont want to compile that again |
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| 13:55.04 | Without | hi, i have 4 x 2TB hdd, which raid is better in term of fileserving ?? |
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| 13:56.38 | shadow` | raid5 |
| 13:57.30 | SlayerXP | whuu, what? |
| 13:57.36 | SlayerXP | shadow`: how do you know? |
| 13:57.50 | Without | shadoaw`: how to compare raid0, raid1, raid5 and raid10? |
| 13:57.53 | shadow` | it has faster read/write acces and more fault tolerable |
| 13:58.01 | shadow` | raid10 isnt that much faster then raid5 |
| 13:58.02 | SlayerXP | shadow`: err, no it's not |
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| 13:58.26 | jelly | Without: how many simultaneous clients do you expect? What kind of io? |
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| 13:58.31 | SlayerXP | shadow`: raid10 is _significantly_ faster than raid5, that's why you tend to put databases and big files on it |
| 13:58.50 | Without | jelly: low IO instead, about 200-300 client using lighttpd |
| 13:59.08 | shadow` | For the vast majority of situations, most relational databases housed on RAID 10 perform equally well in RAID 5. The strengths and weaknesses of each type only become an issue in atypical deployments, or deployments on overcommitted or outdated hardware.[6] |
| 13:59.15 | SlayerXP | if you want to store a zillion word docs, fine. if you want any kind of streaming performance and multi-spindle parallel reads, you'll want RAID10 |
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| 13:59.26 | shadow` | quick google |
| 13:59.27 | shadow` | hf slacker_nl |
| 13:59.29 | shadow` | SlayerXP |
| 13:59.35 | jelly | Without: so, pretty much random io. Reading or writing or...? |
| 13:59.44 | Without | jelly: both reading and writing. |
| 13:59.52 | slacker_nl | hi shadow` ;) |
| 13:59.57 | shadow` | lol |
| 14:00.04 | shadow` | verkeerde tab =p |
| 14:00.11 | Without | i do serve file only, no docs etc. |
| 14:00.11 | slacker_nl | dat had ik door |
| 14:00.15 | shadow` | lol |
| 14:00.23 | Without | RAID5 is the best choice? |
| 14:00.27 | shadow` | docs arent files? |
| 14:00.33 | shadow` | pretty much Without |
| 14:00.38 | shadow` | damn tabcompletion useless here lol |
| 14:00.48 | Without | shadow` compare speed, raid0 or raid5 higher? |
| 14:00.59 | shadow` | raid5 |
| 14:01.10 | Without | any benchmark etc? |
| 14:01.37 | Without | should i go for software raid or hardware raid? |
| 14:01.38 | jelly | Without: raid5 is the common choice. raid0 isn't redundant at all but would provide better random io performance, especially with writes. |
| 14:01.50 | jelly | Without: that depends on your budget |
| 14:01.51 | shadow` | not right here, but raid0 is splitted in 2, raid5 in 4, imo can read/write 2 times as much, but dont got any benchmarks for it |
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| 14:02.13 | shadow` | much=fast |
| 14:02.19 | jelly | shadow`: raid 0 can be split over 2 or more spindles, with increasing p of failure |
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| 14:02.46 | shadow` | everything can, im just talking in general here |
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| 14:02.58 | jelly | s/splite/spread/ |
| 14:03.23 | Without | jelly: i do have budget, hardward raid is better? |
| 14:03.31 | shadow` | but considering he said he had 4 drives already |
| 14:03.56 | shadow` | Without: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID |
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| 14:05.10 | Without | for raid5, 4x2TB and i will get 6TB only? |
| 14:06.51 | shadow` | depends on your requests if you want speed/performance/fault tolerance or space wether to go with what raid |
| 14:07.08 | Without | speed and space. |
| 14:07.14 | jelly | ... |
| 14:07.19 | Without | low IO |
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| 14:07.35 | shadow` | then raid0 might be a good choice |
| 14:07.44 | Without | i can bear with fault. |
| 14:07.53 | jelly | except that raid0 isn't redundant at all |
| 14:08.10 | jelly | Without: how's your backup solution? How fast can you restore your 6TB of data? |
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| 14:08.27 | shadow` | harddrive failures arent so common tho |
| 14:08.33 | shadow` | if its not older then 3-4 years |
| 14:08.56 | Without | jelly: don't worry about files, only mysql i will backup everyday. |
| 14:09.10 | Without | software raid or hardware raid interm of speed ? |
| 14:09.13 | shadow` | then go with raid0 |
| 14:09.15 | Without | and low io |
| 14:09.20 | shadow` | no space loss and some read increase |
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| 14:09.32 | shadow` | all other raid configs, you will lose space |
| 14:10.15 | Without | read and write increase? |
| 14:10.21 | Without | if space loss i can bear with it too |
| 14:10.27 | abrotman | RAID0 is not RAID |
| 14:10.29 | shadow` | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID#Standard_levels |
| 14:10.34 | shadow` | scroll down a little |
| 14:10.37 | shadow` | check the overview |
| 14:10.46 | shadow` | shows the spaceloss/speed increase |
| 14:11.54 | Without | read and write = nX ? |
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| 14:12.08 | shadow` | the more drives, the more increase |
| 14:12.12 | shadow` | or decrease fi its / |
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| 14:12.31 | helo | abrotman: i guess the "Redundant" part kind of disqualifies it eh? |
| 14:12.43 | Without | thanks shadow` :) i got it. |
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| 14:12.58 | abrotman | helo: right |
| 14:13.23 | shadow` | just technically its not abrotman, still falls under RAID tho |
| 14:13.53 | helo | multiple disks do provide redundant I/O paths, even if the data itself isn't multi-homed |
| 14:13.57 | abrotman | yeah, technically you just lose all your data when the RAID0 fails .. |
| 14:14.20 | shadow` | if your data is so important, you have a duplicate server |
| 14:14.55 | helo | that rule applies even without using striping... |
| 14:15.20 | abrotman | shadow`: a dupilicate real time server? |
| 14:15.41 | shadow` | if its so important not to lose it, its not only a faulty harddrive that can cause dataloss |
| 14:15.45 | abrotman | if your data is important and RAID0 is the answer, you've lost |
| 14:16.07 | shadow` | i've seen RAID5's burn in hell losing all their data |
| 14:16.22 | abrotman | right, but at least it's not immediate |
| 14:16.28 | SlayerXP | shadow`: riad5 is not about preventing data loss |
| 14:16.31 | abrotman | at least RAID5 has a chance to recover |
| 14:16.32 | Without | 4x2TB hardware RAID0, Pentium E6500, 1Gbps network, it wont be any bottleneck for writing/reading files for 200-300 right? |
| 14:16.34 | Shadur | shadow`: Data integrity and high availability aren't necessarily the same thing - although I'd agree that both those things are important. |
| 14:16.46 | shadow` | if you need speed, go get SSD's |
| 14:16.53 | helo | yeah... |
| 14:17.04 | shadow` | RAID is for data intergrity |
| 14:17.07 | Without | 4x2TB hardware RAID0, Pentium E6500, 1Gbps network, it wont be any bottleneck for writing/reading files for 200-300clients at once right? |
| 14:17.24 | shadow` | shouldnt |
| 14:17.31 | shadow` | depends on ur drives maybe tho |
| 14:17.41 | Without | what do u mean depends on my drive? |
| 14:17.41 | SlayerXP | shadow`: umm no. once your data is down on disk, raid5 won't help you. there's no checksum-on-read |
| 14:17.43 | shadow` | amounts of bits they can write per second |
| 14:17.52 | shadow` | or read |
| 14:17.53 | abrotman | RAID0 is not data integrity |
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| 14:18.33 | stew | Without: it could certainly be a bottleneck, it depends on your application |
| 14:19.02 | Without | stew: just simple php and mysql, seems IO is high if there's no RAID0 |
| 14:19.17 | Without | cpu process is low. |
| 14:19.22 | haarp | is it possible to get a newer kernel in debian testing somehow _without_ having to configure/compile the whole thing yourself? i just need it for testing purposes |
| 14:19.30 | stew | Without: are you currently experiencing a problem? |
| 14:19.40 | Without | stew: yep, with I/O disk issue. |
| 14:19.42 | shadow` | add other kernel packages to your sources haarp |
| 14:19.44 | shadow` | iirc |
| 14:19.51 | stew | Without: what issue? |
| 14:19.52 | shadow` | kernel package sources* |
| 14:19.53 | shadow` | meh |
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| 14:20.21 | haarp | where would i find repositories containing kernels shadow` ? i already searched to no avail |
| 14:20.38 | Without | stew: i do have high I/O load |
| 14:20.48 | Without | stew: it's read/write too much. |
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| 14:21.03 | stew | i'm confused |
| 14:21.11 | Without | stew: it's read/write alot. |
| 14:21.15 | shadow` | last time i upgraded debian without fresh install, i just added the repositories of kernel i wanted, apt-get update and rebooted, been 2 years or so, not to sure if that was only what i did |
| 14:21.37 | abrotman | haarp: which kernel do yu have now? |
| 14:21.49 | stew | Without: its read/write too much, but you don't think that readin/writing files is a bottleneck? |
| 14:22.17 | haarp | abrotman: default 2.6.32, i want to try 2.6.35 |
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| 14:22.29 | abrotman | haarp: there is a .35 in experimental if you're willing to try it |
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| 14:23.07 | qq- | .36 too |
| 14:23.10 | haarp | oh there is? |
| 14:23.12 | haarp | thanks ill try it |
| 14:23.14 | qq- | http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian//pool/main/l/linux-2.6/ |
| 14:23.19 | Without | stew: yep i do think it's read/write is a bottleneck, that's why i asking for raid option |
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| 14:24.31 | jelly | abrotman: experimental is up to 2.6.36-rc6 or something similar |
| 14:24.41 | Without | this is the samples for 1x2TB HDD RAID0, http://postimage.org/image/1psg4pvr8/ |
| 14:24.56 | abrotman | ah okay |
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| 14:25.14 | Without | this is the samples for 2x1TB* HDD RAID0, http://postimage.org/image/1psg4pvr8/ |
| 14:25.32 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 14:25.33 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.36-rc6-686 (2.6.36~rc6-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-24); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-23); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-23~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-25lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
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| 14:26.07 | stew | Without: what process is doing all the writing? |
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| 14:27.13 | Without | stew: downloading files towards server. |
| 14:27.21 | Without | application. |
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| 14:29.21 | stew | Without: if your iowait% is zero, what is the problem? |
| 14:30.06 | Without | user 88% |
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| 14:30.33 | stew | Without: that's cpu, not io |
| 14:31.49 | haarp | hah, thats interesting. the pl2303 adapter for apcupsd works fine in kernel 2.6.35+, but not in 2.6.32 |
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| 14:34.36 | subsu | How can I make debian not start daemons just because they're being installed? |
| 14:36.41 | stew | subsu: rename their start links to stop links using update-rc.d or by renaming the S?? symlinks to K?? symlinks in /etc/rc2.d (assuming runlevel 2) |
| 14:36.58 | subsu | I can't do that until I've installed the daemon. |
| 14:37.09 | stew | subsu: then you want to use policy-rc.d |
| 14:37.14 | stew | which is probably under-documented |
| 14:37.28 | subsu | policy-rc.d? |
| 14:37.49 | stew | subsu: http://people.debian.org/~hmh/invokerc.d-policyrc.d-specification.txt |
| 14:38.17 | stew | actually that might not be it |
| 14:38.27 | stew | its mentioned in man invoke-rc.d |
| 14:38.48 | iulhk | logged in as a root user,, getting this error, i hv a file in /etc/init.d/karaka-master,, right now i am in path /opt/karaka ,, when trying to start it with /etc/init.d/karaka-master start ,, getting error "-su: /etc/init.d/karaka-master: Permission denied"? |
| 14:39.09 | stew | or there is a readme in /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc aobut poliicy-rc.d if you use sysv-rc |
| 14:39.35 | stew | iulhk: what does "ls -l /etc/init.d/karaka-master" return? |
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| 14:41.20 | subsu | I'm not sure I follow you. The section INIT SCRIPT ACTIONS in the invoke-rc.d man page makes no sense to me |
| 14:41.32 | stew | subsu: try the readme |
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| 14:42.00 | subsu | I have to find it first... |
| 14:42.16 | stew | subsu: try /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/ |
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| 14:42.34 | subsu | oh, there it is |
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| 14:43.47 | frikinz | Is there any documentation about udev regarding what is local-premount, init-bottom, etc.. ? |
| 14:47.55 | subsu | stew: read the readme, still makes no sense. I simply don't want debian to start a daemon just because I install it. I try to install lighttpd but apache is listening to port 80 so the installation will fail because lighttpd tries to start as a part of configuring it and the lighttpd package will be left in a 'partially configured' state. |
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| 14:50.48 | stew | subsu: ok |
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| 14:52.05 | stew | subsu: your options are to make invoke-rc.d not execute the init script using policy-rc.d, or to edit the init script so it won't fail |
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| 14:53.22 | subsu | and then reconfigure the package? |
| 14:53.29 | stew | yes |
| 14:53.34 | subsu | got it |
| 14:53.44 | stew | if its partially configured, "dpkg --configure -a" would do it |
| 14:54.16 | subsu | ok |
| 14:54.20 | subsu | thank you |
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| 15:01.40 | subsu | stew: Worked like a charm, thanks |
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| 15:04.07 | demoneye | Hi. I would like to add some files onto my sony ericsson mobile phone. Everytime I plug the mobile cable (mobile to pc) the folder doesn't show up on my debian desktop, any advice? |
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| 15:05.14 | demoneye | do I need an additional application to run it? |
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| 15:07.54 | jpinx-eeepc | demoneye: I don't know your specific phone settings, but it needs to be seen as a mass storage device, not as a phone |
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| 15:08.25 | jpinx-eeepc | demoneye: with my n900 I have the option to choose what the phone will be seen as |
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| 15:10.56 | datacrusher | it lacks some dependencies i dunno where to pick |
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| 15:16.13 | demoneye | jpinx-eeepc: I'm using w670i. The phone is set to mass storage as default, the phone connects to the pc but the folder of both phone and memorycard is not showing up |
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| 15:19.12 | petemc | demoneye: anything in dmesg? |
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| 15:20.30 | jpinx-eeepc | demoneye: tail -f your sys log and watch what happens when you plug it in |
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| 15:29.20 | laurus | In GNOME 3.0, is it still possible to put custom little shortcut icons in the top bar? |
| 15:29.50 | Xenguy | Hi, I managed to get my wireless card working finally, and I notice that when the card is put in 'managed' mode, it automatically 'associates' with a nearby open/unencrypted access point (AP). Is there any way to manually 'disassociate' from this AP, other than bringing the wireless interface down? |
| 15:30.48 | Xenguy | Also, is there any way to prevent this automatic association with the AP, or is this necessarily what happens when the card is put into 'managed' mode? |
| 15:31.28 | jpinx-eeepc | Xenguy: use a network manager like wicd ? |
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| 15:32.21 | Xenguy | jpinx-eeepc: I am looking for a CLI method preferably, e.g. ifconfi, iwconfig, etc. |
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| 15:32.56 | jpinx-eeepc | Xenguy: man iwconfig |
| 15:32.57 | y3llow_ | eeepc will keep alive? |
| 15:33.02 | Xenguy | jpinx-eeepc: (GNOME's 'network-manager' is installed by default, so I haven't bothered with wicd BTW) |
| 15:33.12 | jpinx-eeepc | there's options in there that might help |
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| 15:33.32 | jpinx-eeepc | !wireless |
| 15:33.33 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>, <brcm80211>, <wl>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <iwlwifi>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 15:33.55 | jpinx-eeepc | !iwconfig |
| 15:33.55 | dpkg | The wireless-tools package provides utilities for manipulating Linux Wireless Extensions (wext), including iwconfig and iwlist. It also provides wireless-* ifupdown hooks to /etc/network/interfaces, read /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian for more information. To connect to networks which use WPA encryption, ask me about <wpa>. |
| 15:34.16 | jpinx-eeepc | Xenguy: âââ |
| 15:34.20 | Xenguy | jpinx-eeepc: I have man iwconfig, but are you thinking of any particular options? |
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| 15:34.44 | Rene | hi all! |
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| 15:34.56 | Rene | is someone good with pam and ssh? |
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| 15:35.04 | jpinx-eeepc | Xenguy: there's other commands listed at the bottom of man iwconfig iirc |
| 15:35.14 | jpinx-eeepc | !anyone |
| 15:35.15 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 15:35.34 | jpinx-eeepc | reneâââ |
| 15:35.48 | Xenguy | jpinx-eeepc: I see, I'll have another look then |
| 15:35.53 | Rene | i also wanted to check if anyone is awake :-) |
| 15:36.12 | jhutchins_lt | jpinx-eeepc: Havin' fun with that arrow today, aren't we? |
| 15:36.17 | Xenguy | !tell jpinx-eeepc about tell |
| 15:36.23 | jpinx-eeepc | Xenguy: tbh I think you're stuck with bringing it down - but you might be able to write a simple script for it |
| 15:36.31 | Xenguy | ;-) |
| 15:36.59 | jpinx-eeepc | can't be arse to use tell every time |
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| 15:37.34 | jhutchins_lt | Besides which, it's often useful to have the information in the open for other participants or followers of the discussion. |
| 15:37.48 | Xenguy | jpinx-eeepc: it's not a huge issue, I just prefer to associate/disassociate with an AP manually, without bring the wireless interface down, if possible |
| 15:37.55 | jpinx-eeepc | Xenguy: if you really want to be correct you should use /msg dpkg tell <user> about <something> and it will not show in the channel at all |
| 15:38.26 | Xenguy | jhutchins_lt: sure, but it can also start to spam the channel at times |
| 15:38.31 | Rene | well, i jut hacked into our nas (buffalo linkstation duo), and managed to get access by modifyiing etc/pam.d/sshd. From the beginning this file has auth+account pam_winbind.so, but with this combination i can't use ssh-keys for login. I figured out that if i set also pam_unix.so to sufficient for auth+account+session, i can use my ssh-key authentication |
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| 15:38.42 | jpinx-eeepc | Xenguy: yea - write a little shell script to do it . easiest option I recckon |
| 15:39.24 | Rene | my question is now that does this "sufficient" setting affect somehow on the pam_winbind.so that's set to required for auth+account? |
| 15:39.25 | Xenguy | jpinx-eeepc: well I would have to know the manual command first, hence my original question :-) |
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| 15:39.51 | jpinx-eeepc | jhutchins_lt gets a few â â â â |
| 15:40.13 | jpinx-eeepc | Xenguy: hence my response to look at the bottom of man iwconfig |
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| 15:40.41 | Xenguy | jpinx-eeepc: OK, tx for your advice |
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| 15:41.09 | jpinx-eeepc | Xenguy: np :) |
| 15:42.00 | jpinx-eeepc | Rene: I don't know if I understand you completely, but it smeels like something you will not get much advice on in here |
| 15:42.37 | Rene | jpinx-eeepc, yeah, i thought that too.. but wanted to give a shot anyway :-) |
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| 15:48.27 | simonrvn | Rene: ssh key usage doesn't depends on pam |
| 15:49.09 | haarp | my usb is possesed by ghosts |
| 15:49.47 | haarp | when i plug my usb-serial adapter in, the os recognizes it, but apcupsd cant connect to the serial ups behind it. when i put an EXTENSION CORD between the adapter and the pc, all works fine |
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| 15:49.53 | haarp | verified it several times |
| 15:50.05 | abrotman | interferenc |
| 15:50.06 | abrotman | e |
| 15:50.07 | Rene | simonrvn, somehow yes, cause using ssh-auth with the current settings gives me: pam_winbind(sshd:account): pam_winbind_request: write to socket failed! |
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| 15:51.37 | simonrvn | uh, yeh, |
| 15:51.50 | Rene | simonrvn, this i got now, and it seems to work: http://www.paste.me.uk/1417.html |
| 15:52.26 | sshc | How do I restore the boot splash screen? |
| 15:52.28 | Rene | simonrvn, it's just that i'm not sure if this setup works correctly.. |
| 15:52.33 | sshc | The grub menu works, and the third splash that happens right before gnome appears does too, but in between there is only a blank black screen |
| 15:54.19 | simonrvn | Rene: seems awfully dependent on winbind working... |
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| 15:56.05 | simonrvn | and no, ssh keys do not depend on pam. man sshd_config look for UsePAM |
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| 15:57.10 | jhutchins_lt | haarp: Is the original cable a standard USB cable, or is it a special one for the UPS? |
| 15:57.26 | Rene | simonrvn, yep, this is a NAS-box by Buffalo that supports AD-authentication |
| 15:58.04 | haarp | jhutchins_lt: its an original serial cable from ups to the adapter, the ups itself is too old to have usb |
| 15:58.26 | Rene | simonrvn, yep.. seems that you are right: in sshd_config there is UsePAM yes |
| 15:58.52 | Rene | so, i guess by uncommenting that i could leave everything as it was |
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| 15:59.05 | jhutchins_lt | haarp: So adapter->serial cable -> UPS doesn't work, but cable->adapter->serial cable->ups does? |
| 15:59.12 | Rene | simonrvn, sorry, i mean #commenting |
| 15:59.50 | Rene | simonrvn, i wonder if there might be something that get's messed up by changing that.. |
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| 16:00.33 | simonrvn | no doubt. pam is quite touchy and you need to really understand what you're doing |
| 16:00.56 | haarp | jhutchins_lt: ups-serial cable-adapter-pc doesnt work, but ups-serial cable-adapter-extension cable-pc does |
| 16:01.46 | Rene | simonrvn, yep, and i have no clue what i'm doing :-) |
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| 16:07.15 | davidPTgal | is there a system variable that tells the default command for installing programs, like apt-get ? |
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| 16:08.15 | abrotman | davidPTgal: how do you want it to be different? |
| 16:08.35 | davidPTgal | if the script is running on suse for example |
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| 16:08.56 | davidPTgal | because they use yum |
| 16:09.17 | davidPTgal | such variable does exist, does it? |
| 16:09.30 | abrotman | this isn't the SuSE support channel |
| 16:09.38 | davidPTgal | this is a more broad linux question |
| 16:09.47 | davidPTgal | ok |
| 16:10.02 | davidPTgal | i cant enter the #linux channel :( |
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| 16:12.07 | jelly | davidPTgal, it's ##linux actually but there should be a redirection |
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| 16:13.52 | Xenguy | davidPTgal: your nick needs to be registered AFAIK |
| 16:13.57 | Istari | âñåì ïðèâåò |
| 16:14.21 | Istari | åñòü âîïðîñ - ïîäñêàæèòå? |
| 16:15.27 | stew | !ru |
| 16:15.27 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. or use English here. |
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| 16:15.57 | Istari | ok, sorry |
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| 16:16.34 | hotwings | so as i understand, adding "ulimit -c unlimited" to /etc/profile will enable core dumps for all processes.. or whatever... for this change to take affect, can i simply re-login or does the box need to be rebooted? |
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| 16:18.12 | Istari | would you please tell me - what .iso I have to download for 5.0 "Lenny" - 506.iso or 506-ãçâôåóþøûù, Thanks |
| 16:18.34 | Istari | 506-ãçâôåóþøûù* |
| 16:18.36 | brankom | Is there any documentation on the environment variables that are commonly set-up for the execution of /etc/if-up.d/ etc. scripts? |
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| 16:19.03 | Istari | 506-update.iso |
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| 16:20.31 | mof | hi all |
| 16:20.41 | qq- | Istari, /msg dpkg 5.0.6 |
| 16:21.17 | SoulSeller | !bg |
| 16:21.17 | dpkg | Bulgarian users are invited to join #debian-bg @ irc.freenode.net (Vsichki bylgari sa pokaneni da se vkliuchat v #debian-bg @ irc.freenode.net) |
| 16:21.17 | Istari | unfortunately, now I am in Windows - so.... |
| 16:21.42 | qq- | dpkg, 5.0.6 |
| 16:21.42 | dpkg | Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.6 was released on September 4th, 2010. This update corrects security problems within the <stable> release, along with adjustments for serious problems. Support for Intel 82567LF-3, 82567LM-3, 82567LM-4 and 82583V Ethernet controllers was introduced. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100904 http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/ChangeLog . To upgrade, ask me about <point release>. |
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| 16:22.11 | mof | is turbocore for amd phenom II xxxx-T cpu´s supported by 2.6.32-5 sqeeze kernel ? |
| 16:23.16 | Istari | so, doenload standard 506, install and after that update? |
| 16:23.42 | qq- | Istari, update what ? |
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| 16:24.13 | Istari | distributive (I am novice with Deb) |
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| 16:25.08 | qq- | Istari, use #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
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| 16:26.00 | Istari | ok, thanks |
| 16:26.13 | qq- | Istari, du , /j #debian-russian , here in irc bar line |
| 16:26.14 | nsadmin | you can install packages after that |
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| 16:50.08 | shan | hi, i am facing a slight problem |
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| 16:50.32 | shan | i get the follwing error : No rule to make target `/usr/share/cdbs/1/class/python-autotools.mk'. Stop. |
| 16:50.47 | shan | could someone please provide pointers . Appreciate it . Thanks |
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| 16:55.35 | simonrvn | install cdbs and some python dev stuff.. or you could always see what provides that file on pdo / with apt-file |
| 16:55.37 | simonrvn | !pdo |
| 16:55.38 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for Debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/ in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
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| 17:02.42 | runa | ok. this is very weird. I login into my server w/ my username, try to su and I get "auth failure". noone else has access to the server. A few days ago I did 'apt-get -d upgrade' but that shouldn't have installed nothing, right? |
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| 17:03.57 | meder | what's a reliable fileserver I can use between 2 debian servers? i would like to mount 1 as the static server of the other to upload stuff to it |
| 17:04.18 | meder | Samba is the defacto standard, no? |
| 17:04.30 | runa | meder: you can use nfs, samba, sshfs.. |
| 17:04.32 | sweetpi | votes for sshfs |
| 17:04.32 | trifler | meder: ssh-fs? |
| 17:04.40 | deepy | sshfs |
| 17:04.41 | meder | is sshfs very reliable? |
| 17:04.44 | meder | jeez |
| 17:04.47 | meder | ok |
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| 17:05.08 | deepy | it works fine until you lose connection |
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| 17:05.19 | deepy | but then again, I haven't done any tweaking except enabling compression |
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| 17:05.40 | jhutchins_lt | None of them deal with dropped connections very well. |
| 17:05.47 | halflife08 | runa: yes that should have not installed anything, you have a cron job that runs to install updates |
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| 17:06.01 | jhutchins_lt | meder: nfs is the *nix standard, but samba's more popular these days. |
| 17:06.13 | trifler | An internal network rarely suffers from loss of connection. |
| 17:06.21 | trifler | just saying. |
| 17:06.26 | jhutchins_lt | trifler: theoretically. |
| 17:06.32 | meder | they're both linode vps boxes, trifler |
| 17:06.55 | runa | halflife08: what's the name of that cron job you mention |
| 17:07.28 | halflife08 | runa: hmmn i meant it in the context that you setup a cron job, if you havent setup anything , there is no cron job by default that runs |
| 17:08.32 | sweetpi | a combination of "-o reconnect" and "ServerAliveInterval" should take care of it |
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| 17:09.10 | runa | halflife08: yeah, well, I'm pretty desperated by now; I even tried to exploit CVE-2010-3081 |
| 17:09.13 | halflife08 | meder:you are better of rsycing the files over than have mount points established |
| 17:10.01 | halflife08 | runa: i am assuming your system is remote and you have no console access or rsa access? usually you should have to boot with init=/bin/sh as grub options and be able to change the password |
| 17:10.27 | runa | halflife08: yep, remote dedicated server. I'm screwed |
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| 17:10.53 | runa | halflife08: some other weird things happened, for example screen -x says "Directory '/var/run/screen' must have mode 777. |
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| 17:11.46 | RedNifre | Hello! |
| 17:11.54 | halflife08 | runa: most of the remote dedicated servers do give console over serial or some sort of remote console access. i am surprised you have access to none |
| 17:13.08 | RedNifre | I want to chroot a newer Debian into my sarge Debian in order to use OpenJDK which is listed as "6b11-9.1+lenny2 and other". Should I use lenny (old) for this, or should I chroot the latest Debian? |
| 17:13.16 | shadow` | some hosters charge extra halflife08 |
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| 17:13.50 | halflife08 | shadow`: i guess so. shrugs |
| 17:14.05 | runa | halflife08: I can login via ssh as root! |
| 17:14.09 | runa | halflife08: the problem is 'su' |
| 17:14.12 | shadow` | i choose to get it for 1 server, didnt bother for other one, its 10bucks a month u never really use |
| 17:14.54 | shadow` | su going to root or su taking over other users |
| 17:15.00 | shadow` | as su is bugged for me too |
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| 17:15.23 | shadow` | i cant screen or resize putty when im in a file |
| 17:16.19 | halflife08 | runa: oh. what version of debian are u running ? |
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| 17:17.16 | runa | halflife08: umpf! I 'fixed' it. I had an old strace running as root; as soon as I killed it su started working again |
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| 17:18.26 | halflife08 | hmmn strace against what ? |
| 17:19.00 | runa | halflife08: I was debugging something (monit) |
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| 17:20.10 | halflife08 | that's interesting. how on the earth did running strace against monit interfere with su |
| 17:20.28 | RedNifre | Or to ask it in a more general way: If I use chroot to get a new program working on an old Debian, should I go with the latest Debian, or the oldest one the program is compatible with? |
| 17:21.01 | runa | halflife08: it seem it was interfering with every other strace on the system |
| 17:21.37 | runa | halflife08: http://pastebin.ca/1963201 |
| 17:22.06 | qq- | RedNifre, don't ask metaquestion, ask real one |
| 17:23.41 | sweetpi | RedNifre: lenny IS the latest stable version.. squeeze is still technically testing |
| 17:24.13 | Bushmills | RedNifre, don't use oldstable |
| 17:24.43 | halflife08 | runa: hmmn what happens if you run strace ls, i suspect the error you are seeing is very specifi to screen . |
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| 17:26.35 | jelly-home | halflife08: stracing a setuid app as non-root results in setuid not working; could this be your case |
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| 17:28.19 | halflife08 | jelly-home: that probably explains it all. i need to rtfm |
| 17:28.23 | RedNifre | qq- but real questions don't get answered? |
| 17:29.03 | RedNifre | So, in order to get OpenJDK work on sarge I should chroot lenny, because it's both the latest stable release and the oldest one OpenJDK works with. Right? |
| 17:29.22 | valdyn | RedNifre: yes |
| 17:30.04 | RedNifre | What exactly does "6b11-9.1+lenny2" mean? |
| 17:30.21 | runa | halflife08: after I killed the old strace, I was able to strace anything again. and su started to work |
| 17:31.03 | valdyn | RedNifre: +lenny2 means that its the 2nd upgrade for lenny that did not go in via unstable/testing |
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| 17:31.45 | jelly-home | RedNifre: 6b11 is typically related to the upstream version. stuff after the last "-" character, 9.1+lenny2 is debian package revision number |
| 17:32.50 | RedNifre | So I can use "debootstrap lenny /extra/lenny" and it fetches a version that runs OpenJDK which requires 6b11-9.1+lenny2? Or do I have to use something else? |
| 17:33.14 | valdyn | RedNifre: why would it require that? |
| 17:33.20 | qq- | get OpenJDK work on sarge < two release back |
| 17:33.46 | RedNifre | Really? Even on SPARC? |
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| 17:34.02 | RedNifre | I tried to apt-get it, but it was not found. |
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| 17:35.06 | qq- | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.15 | qq- | aka lenny .. |
| 17:35.50 | RedNifre | qq- what has that to do with anything? |
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| 17:36.25 | valdyn | RedNifre: sarge cant ship openjdk, but that does not mean that you cannot run openjdk on sarge |
| 17:36.28 | qq- | RedNifre, sarge long time not supported |
| 17:36.52 | RedNifre | I can't remove sarge from that machine. Not an option. |
| 17:36.54 | valdyn | RedNifre: lenny ships your abovementioned openjdk, but that does not mean that you could not use a different one |
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| 17:37.28 | valdyn | RedNifre: we dont know if lennys openjdk might not work perfectly on sarge |
| 17:37.34 | RedNifre | But how can I get OpenJDK then? The OpenJDK people said that I either have to compile it which would take a week or chroot a newer Debian so I can use the pre made SPARC packages. |
| 17:37.49 | valdyn | RedNifre: pick whatever koops your maintenaince low |
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| 17:38.31 | valdyn | RedNifre: i dont think they know that you need to recompile really |
| 17:38.42 | RedNifre | valdyn, that's why I consider using debootstrap and chroot to put the needed lenny pieces on my system, so the lenny OpenJDK will work. |
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| 17:39.26 | RedNifre | So, what is your recommendation on how to get OpenJDK running on sarge? |
| 17:39.57 | abrotman | doesn't sarge have some other java like gcj or sable ? |
| 17:40.19 | RedNifre | A compiler? |
| 17:40.26 | RedNifre | I'm looking for a JRE. |
| 17:41.04 | abrotman | yeah .. did try adding contrib/non-free? apt-cache search jre? |
| 17:41.07 | jelly-home | a jre for sparc linux. |
| 17:41.49 | jelly-home | if you had Solaris on that machine everything would work ;-) |
| 17:41.54 | RedNifre | I know. |
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| 17:42.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | 't would be too easy |
| 17:42.32 | RedNifre | It's just a simple NAS, I don't want to change the OS on that thing. |
| 17:42.40 | jelly-home | too bad there's no ABI wrapper to run sparc32 Solaris ELF binaries |
| 17:42.40 | alkii | I had a raid1 mdraid, how can I mount a single partition from this? do I need to change the partitions from "linux raid autodetect" to something civilised via fdisk? |
| 17:43.05 | valdyn | alkii: just do it? |
| 17:43.13 | valdyn | alkii: why would you need to change partition type? |
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| 17:44.06 | jelly-home | alkii: partition types in mbr are pretty much irrelevant... no need to change anything |
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| 17:44.17 | alkii | it does not work |
| 17:44.22 | alkii | I still get "mount: unknown filesystem type 'mdraid'" when I try to mount it |
| 17:44.30 | alkii | valdyn: because I'd like to mount my partition :) |
| 17:44.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | mount _does_ have the -t option |
| 17:45.06 | RedNifre | What's the main difference between gcj and OpenJDK? |
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| 17:45.11 | alkii | CutMeOwnThroat: but will that work with mdraid stuff? |
| 17:45.14 | alkii | or rather ex-mdraid |
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| 17:46.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | what device are you trying to mount |
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| 17:46.17 | alkii | a hard disk |
| 17:46.21 | alkii | uh, partition :P |
| 17:46.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | what device |
| 17:46.22 | alkii | ext3 :P |
| 17:46.26 | alkii | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:46.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah |
| 17:47.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you try a simple mount -t ext3 /dev/sdb2 /mnt/somedirectoryyoucreatedbeforehandandthatexists |
| 17:47.16 | alkii | I shall do this |
| 17:47.21 | alkii | I was just asking if this is safe to do |
| 17:47.25 | alkii | or if it might explode the whole partition |
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| 17:47.41 | alkii | well it works that way |
| 17:48.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | you'll notice when fragments of your computer bury itself in your skull |
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| 17:49.32 | alkii | :3 |
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| 18:03.46 | buntfalke | is anyone aware of a userspace filesystem using the "tsocks"-way to capture and alter all syscalls using ldpreload? |
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| 18:15.47 | jelly-home | $DEITY, I seem to remember seeing one lately... thankfully we have FUSE these days |
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| 18:23.02 | helo | wonders what color jelly is |
| 18:24.17 | nsadmin | yelo. |
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| 18:35.47 | b0nghitter | whats the best client to download files from usenet such as atraweb? does debian include one? |
| 18:36.06 | meder | id recommend hellanzb |
| 18:36.22 | b0nghitter | ok thanks ill check it out |
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| 18:36.48 | scifiguy | nzbget is more better |
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| 18:38.05 | c0nv1ct | b0nghitter, sabnzbd is great if you want web-based |
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| 18:42.32 | b0nghitter | ok cool, ive never used nzb's before so im not sure yet |
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| 18:43.59 | Muisje | dpkg |
| 18:44.23 | shadow` | LOL |
| 18:44.28 | shadow` | kiek es wie we daar hebbe |
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| 18:48.04 | helo | heib und zei wund raak |
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| 18:54.07 | jelly-home | ?too much dutch error |
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| 18:58.21 | RedNifre | Wir können ja auch deutsch sprechen... |
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| 18:59.33 | dutchfish | goeienovond ;) |
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| 19:00.05 | blueyed | How would this need to get fixed for the dependency based boot system in testing? http://wiki.openvz.org/Debian_template_creation#Fix_SSH_host_keys |
| 19:00.21 | blueyed | (currently it just does not get executed) |
| 19:01.35 | tapoxi | My bros, I'm on lenny. I have /etc/network/interfaces set to use a static ip, which its using, but its not picking up the entry for dns-nameservers. resolv.conf also keeps being overwritten to be blank. what do? |
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| 19:03.44 | dewqazxc_ | is there an easy way to detect if i have a firewall set up on deiban? |
| 19:03.46 | Bushmills | figure out what overwrites resolv.conf. maybe resolveconf. configure or remove it |
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| 19:04.17 | Bushmills | dewqazxc_, iptables -nvL |
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| 19:04.50 | parsek | hi all. i'm having a boot problem. no init error. can anyone give me some guidance? |
| 19:05.05 | tapoxi | Bushmills: I think its "resolvconf", but I can't figure out how to use it, documentation keeps mentioning it but doesn't provide syntax. Not sure about removing it because its part of base Debian installs and I'd really not break anything else. |
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| 19:06.07 | Bushmills | you don't need a package which messes up your config and which you can't figure out how to use |
| 19:06.24 | parsek | I'm trying fsck /dev/sdax but it's also giving device busy error |
| 19:06.43 | dewqazxc_ | Bushmills: how can i tell from the ouptut? |
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| 19:07.28 | Bushmills | dewqazxc_, if it contains stuff, other than empty chains with policies ACCEPT |
| 19:08.14 | Bushmills | that's your firewall configuration |
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| 19:11.42 | dutchfish | blueyed: sorry for late reaction i had to look it up, i simply used: ssh-keygen -t rsa -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key |
| 19:14.36 | helo | isn't dsa better? |
| 19:15.49 | nsadmin | parsek: because it's mounted? |
| 19:16.06 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 19:19.30 | parsek | nsadmin, when i do mount -l i don't see /dev/sda6 |
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| 19:22.14 | dutchfish | helo: it is only used during authentication, then a cipher like IDEA, DES, Blowfish is used, i dont rem which one. RSA is much faster in veryfying, so hard to tell which is best apart from the strength you us eon both when compared. |
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| 19:24.53 | nsadmin | try just mount |
| 19:25.10 | jelly-home | helo: it's not. |
| 19:25.22 | blueyed | helo: IIRC the default changed to rsa because of weakness in dsa. |
| 19:26.06 | blueyed | dutchfish: I am talking about the init script not being executed.. it is about setting up a container template (OpenVZ), which should genereate the server keys once. |
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| 19:26.47 | blueyed | It seems like "just" /etc/rc2.d/S15ssh_gen_host_keys being not executed anymore like before..?! |
| 19:26.56 | stonie | hi all .. i need apache1.3 and php4 on a machine - because we have a rather old app that needs this ... how can i do this? |
| 19:27.05 | dutchfish | blueyed: i have no clue about that but i use other methods on xen/kvm vm's when created |
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| 19:28.08 | helo | DSA is fixed key length, while RSA is variable? |
| 19:28.11 | abrotman | stonie: there is no supported version of Debian that has that |
| 19:28.21 | jelly-home | stonie: a debian 4.0 chroot? |
| 19:28.25 | abrotman | stonie: etch has that, but it has known security issues and is no longer supported |
| 19:28.44 | jelly-home | abrotman: php4 by itself has security issues and is not supported |
| 19:28.45 | helo | stonie: yeahr... your rather old app is dangerous |
| 19:29.07 | stonie | ye i know but its used ONLY internal |
| 19:29.08 | helo | bets it is for internal usage |
| 19:29.11 | blueyed | dutchfish: yes, I can manually execute the commands.. no prob, but it should get done automatically. |
| 19:29.58 | dutchfish | blueyed: no, i do it like this, when initial creation is done my setup script chroot into it and creates them as i already told |
| 19:30.15 | stonie | helo, :) you are right ... and its protected via authconfig htaccess against access from outside |
| 19:30.18 | helo | stonie: use debootstrap to make an etch chroot |
| 19:30.30 | stonie | isit hard to realize? |
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| 19:31.04 | dutchfish | blueyed: the same for cloning the vm's |
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| 19:31.57 | helo | nope, debootstrap is dead simple... there is even a daemon used to execute programs (like apache) within the chroot... but i don't recall the name |
| 19:32.07 | blueyed | dutchfish: I see.. it's just something you could automate.. and it was possible before.. and therefore should be possible with the new init system, too - I am just much more an ubuntu user, and therefore do not know how to fix it. |
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| 19:32.28 | helo | stonie: dchroot or schroot is the name |
| 19:32.44 | dutchfish | blueyed: sure, but i dont like to start/expose a not completed configured vm ;) |
| 19:32.57 | stonie | thanks alot i will try this - and come back with more troubles :) .. hope im j/k |
| 19:33.48 | blueyed | dutchfish: you do not expose it; when you start it for the first time the ssh key is generated: that does not mean sshd being started etc.. just some "dumb" key being generated once. |
| 19:34.33 | dutchfish | blueyed: depends on how you do it, but i let the script do all the work in a chroot |
| 19:34.39 | helo | stonie: use schroot, not dchroot |
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| 19:35.12 | blueyed | dutchfish: chroot? it would run in the container itself? do you setup a chroot in your container to run the init for the container? I guess "no".. ;) |
| 19:35.25 | stonie | following this way: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/566 ? |
| 19:35.26 | dutchfish | blueyed: thin about 70-persitent rules, user management, password generation and what not .... |
| 19:35.33 | blueyed | dutchfish: anyway, that's not my point and quite offtopic. |
| 19:35.40 | dutchfish | ok |
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| 19:39.15 | helo | stonie: pretty much... i don't think that describes running a daemon (process that will be started every boot automatically), but that is most of what you'll need to do |
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| 19:40.35 | helo | stonie: the right way is probably to write your own init script that will start/stop/reload the schroot apache, unless schroot has this functionality built in (anyone?) |
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| 19:44.19 | aiju | is Debian for ARM happy with 2 GB of disk space? |
| 19:44.40 | stonie | helo, thanks alot i will try this |
| 19:45.21 | bzed | aiju: depends on what you want to install |
| 19:45.28 | shadow` | beat me too it |
| 19:45.29 | aiju | bzed: minimum system |
| 19:45.37 | shadow` | afaik debian runs on a few 100mb drive |
| 19:45.51 | bzed | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 19:45.51 | bzed | /dev/sdb3 6.3G 725M 5.3G 12% / |
| 19:46.07 | bzed | aiju: ^ that includes postfix and pind and dhcpd and some more stuff |
| 19:46.20 | aiju | well, how to install it? |
| 19:46.24 | shadow` | just cd 1 |
| 19:46.25 | aiju | i don't have access to the ARM machine |
| 19:46.34 | aiju | i can only access it via network |
| 19:46.45 | bzed | aiju: what machine is it? |
| 19:47.00 | aiju | bzed: Seagate DockStar :D |
| 19:47.02 | bzed | aiju: you will need some kind of proper remote access, like a serial console |
| 19:47.09 | aiju | no serial console |
| 19:47.10 | bzed | aiju: there are enough tutorials for that in the internet |
| 19:48.04 | aiju | bzed: so, it's not possible without serial console |
| 19:48.08 | bzed | aiju: like http://jeff.doozan.com/debian/ - not sure if that one works though |
| 19:48.12 | bzed | aiju: seems it is |
| 19:48.16 | aiju | crap |
| 19:48.43 | bzed | aiju: it is possible without a serial cable |
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| 19:49.02 | aiju | bzed: oh ty |
| 19:49.08 | aiju | i should have googled dockstar + debian :P |
| 19:49.15 | bzed | yes you should :P |
| 19:50.07 | bzed | aiju: the script on that page looks sane at least |
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| 19:51.52 | jhutchins_lt | debbootstrap is one way to do that. |
| 19:52.05 | bzed | jhutchins_lt: that is what the script does ;) |
| 19:52.06 | laochailan | hello |
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| 19:54.15 | yaaar | howdy |
| 19:56.40 | yaaar | hi everybody. i updated my kernel yesterday, and now i'm seeing some ominous things (call traces) in /var/log/messages. would someone mind taking a look at this log and seeing if you have any idea what's up? http://pastebin.com/pDjDN9Lw |
| 19:57.17 | yaaar | um... |
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| 19:57.34 | yaaar | hold up...that link doesn't seem to work |
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| 20:00.27 | anoob | hi, i'm looking for an usb wireless adapter. I've found two models (tp-link), the first one uses ralink chipset (google said: rt73 module) and the second one uses a atheros chipset (google said: ar9170usb module). Which one should I choose? I'm running debian sid 64-bit. |
| 20:01.02 | aiju | anoob: how about the one your kernel supports? :P |
| 20:01.10 | jhutchins_lt | anoob: I'd lean a bit toward atheros, but both are well supported. |
| 20:01.35 | slingr | anoob |
| 20:01.41 | slingr | my rt73 works great in linux |
| 20:01.57 | slingr | its a d-link |
| 20:01.57 | laochailan | i've also had only good experience with ralink |
| 20:01.58 | yaaar | ok, here's a working paste of those logs: http://pastebin.ca/1963334 |
| 20:02.10 | slingr | works great for wep hacking too |
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| 20:02.41 | BasiumDeJudas | hello |
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| 20:02.47 | BasiumDeJudas | i am having a problem with debian takin' away my wicd and gnome bluez and things connected to those. not sure way though. with aptitude |
| 20:02.57 | BasiumDeJudas | or aptitude that is.# |
| 20:03.53 | themill | BasiumDeJudas: I'm not really sure what you're saying, but I'll take a wild stab in the dark that "/msg dpkg unmarkauto" is what you need |
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| 20:04.32 | anoob | i will use it with wpa2 slingr |
| 20:04.51 | BasiumDeJudas | oh sorry...when i do an update with aptitude and or have orphans removed it takes out mi wicd and when i do a reboot i can not connect to the net and have no more wicd. |
| 20:05.14 | anoob | but, will they work plug and play or should i do something? |
| 20:05.19 | BasiumDeJudas | i am not sure how to prevent this from happening. |
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| 20:09.24 | blueyed | what has changed in the squeeze boot sequence system, so that an init script like /etc/rc2.d/S15ssh_gen_host_keys does not get executed anymore automatically? |
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| 20:10.48 | b0nghitter | hellanzb gives me alot of missing article errors |
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| 20:32.29 | rking | Anyone know of a good program for making videos to explain math stuff? E.g., handy to display/animate formulas and scribbles? |
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| 20:36.04 | rking | Even just a screen video capture tool could work (becaue I could edit out all the slow parts) |
| 20:36.43 | helo | xvidcap |
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| 20:37.48 | helo | there's always powerpoint... it will be easier to work with than jacking around with a bunch of video clips |
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| 20:38.06 | helo | and you can always turn the slideshow into a video, etc |
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| 20:39.56 | laochailan | latex beamer! |
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| 20:42.13 | eightfold | if i want to export KERN_DIR= , what of these dirs should i be targeting? http://pastebin.com/gpNygj20 |
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| 20:43.46 | helo | yeah... latex beamer sounds like the way to go if you plan to make changes over time |
| 20:44.07 | eightfold | -common or -686 |
| 20:44.08 | eightfold | ? |
| 20:44.08 | helo | latex files work great with version control |
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| 20:44.51 | laochailan | latex math environment + beamer document class -> win for mathematical presentations |
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| 20:45.27 | naphex | rking asked about software to make videos and animations... |
| 20:45.50 | keith4 | rking: http://www.linuxhaxor.net/?p=815 |
| 20:46.34 | keith4 | then you can just demo using octave, or whatever |
| 20:47.01 | laochailan | well the next step would be recording the presentation so you get a video. |
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| 20:50.27 | laochailan | rking: for example use impressive for showing the pdf presentation you created with latex plus some fancy opengl effects and highlights, give explanations and record everything with glc which is a great program to record opengl-based applications. |
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| 20:52.20 | laochailan | http://impressive.sourceforge.net/ http://nullkey.ath.cx/projects/glc/ |
| 20:53.20 | runa | so, my system has 3GB of 'cached' memory, swappiness set to 0 and from time to time the sys-cpu goes to 95% and swapping like crazy. any hints? |
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| 21:00.38 | rking | helo, naphex, keith4, and now-absent laochailan: thanks. |
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| 21:06.58 | alkii | has anybody here used the DTC web hosting control panel successfully enough to be able to tell me how to make it actually let me access email via pop? I can smtp out just fine, but my pop inbox always reports being empty, no matter how many random mails I send myself from external addresses |
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| 21:08.00 | alkii | it even shows me some silly hour graph about incoming mail in the web interface |
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| 21:15.22 | rgl | Dewi, I've talked yesterday about chaaging the premissions of files installed by a package. and I've found the tool for doing it! its called dpkg-statoverride |
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| 21:21.20 | Elive_user29_en | #ubunto |
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| 21:23.21 | simonrvn | rgl: yes, has a manual too |
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| 21:24.53 | Nashenas | I recently upgraded to squeeze from lenny, and now I have no graphical display. running /etc/init.d/gdm start causes a switch to tty7 where there is only a blinking cursor, and nothing happens even after an hour. What steps should I take to restore my graphical display? |
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| 21:25.11 | Nashenas | the same issue occurs with /etc/init.d/gdm3 start |
| 21:25.52 | abrotman | nvidia? ati ? |
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| 21:26.31 | jordanm | Nashenas: pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log after X fails to start |
| 21:27.54 | Elive_user29_en | #leave |
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| 21:29.22 | Nashenas | jordanm: what's the name if the text web browser? |
| 21:29.33 | Nashenas | of the* |
| 21:29.41 | jordanm | Nashenas: use pastebinit |
| 21:29.46 | jordanm | !pastebinit |
| 21:29.46 | dpkg | [pastebinit] a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". |
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| 21:31.02 | Nashenas | http://pastebin.com/VbU0sEYG |
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| 21:32.34 | jordanm | Nashenas: ATI dropped support for your card |
| 21:32.44 | Nashenas | -.- |
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| 21:33.10 | Nashenas | well that sucks, should I remove fglrx and install radeon? |
| 21:33.41 | jordanm | Nashenas: likely radeon is already installed. mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bak then start gdm |
| 21:33.50 | jordanm | otherwise, yes |
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| 21:34.40 | jordanm | Nashenas: I was in that same boat about two years ago.. never bought anything ati again |
| 21:34.45 | Nashenas | jordanm: worked amazingly, thanks |
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| 21:34.51 | jordanm | anytime |
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| 21:40.40 | Nashenas | also, how do I permanently install grub2? there was a command that popped up during the install, but I forgot to write it down |
| 21:41.07 | jordanm | Nashenas: upgrade-from-grub-legacy |
| 21:41.31 | Bushmills | install-grub |
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| 21:42.36 | Nashenas | when it comes to install devices, one lists the model number of my harddrive, and the other lists "/", I should install into the non-root partition so that it's in the MBR correct? |
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| 21:43.20 | jordanm | Nashenas: you don't want to install it to a partition at all, just the mbr |
| 21:43.22 | starenka | hi all. i have a lenny vm we use for sending newsletter via python (~30k emails). i have serious problem w/ the performance (some email got delivered after 12hrs). do you think it's sendmail or any other issue? |
| 21:43.26 | jordanm | the default values should be fine |
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| 21:44.58 | jordanm | starenka: there are a lot of things that can factor in to that. nothing about the smtp protocol says things need to be delivered immediatly. check and see how long it takes for it clear your mailq |
| 21:45.07 | jordanm | !tell starenka about greylisting |
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| 21:45.24 | Nashenas | is there any driver besides the fglrx driver that can give me access to opengl? |
| 21:45.37 | jordanm | Nashenas: radeon, can, see the radeon wiki page |
| 21:45.41 | jordanm | !tell Nashenas about radeon |
| 21:46.00 | jordanm | one too many commas there |
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| 21:46.23 | starenka | jordanm: thank you. one quick question. should dumping f.e 10k emails at once to smtp be the problem? should i batch it in smaller amounts? |
| 21:47.20 | jordanm | starenka: couldn't say, never massed out that many emails. not a spammer are you? |
| 21:47.22 | abrotman | starenka: that should be fine, but if you're sending them all to yahoo/hotmail/gmail .. they may greylist/tarpit you |
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| 21:48.33 | starenka | abrotman: jordanm it's quite various audience. mostly cz freemail servers. No, im not a spammer, we just have a huge newsletter db... |
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| 21:49.23 | kox | anybody using iscsi multipathing? |
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| 21:50.05 | abrotman | the whole population of .cz! :) |
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| 21:50.28 | abrotman | starenka: did you try looking at your mail logs? |
| 21:51.04 | kox | abrotman> thanks for usefull info :) |
| 21:51.11 | starenka | abrotman: hehe what's 40k in 10mio? |
| 21:51.15 | starenka | :) |
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| 21:52.19 | abrotman | kox: ? |
| 21:52.51 | abrotman | starenka: realistically, any modern SMTP server should be able to handle 30k emails within a short period of time |
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| 21:54.33 | starenka | abrotman: using sendmail, should i try to switch to exim (im not a sysadmin, im just a programmer but i have to also take care about the server) |
| 21:54.43 | starenka | ? |
| 21:55.28 | abrotman | i mostly use postfix .. but really any of them should work |
| 21:55.49 | abrotman | you sohuld really look at your mail logs .. i'm sure there are plenty of hints |
| 21:56.33 | starenka | abrotman: it's huge amount of logs, any think i should grep for particular? |
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| 21:56.44 | starenka | s/for/in |
| 21:57.22 | abrotman | try reading them .. look for failtures or delays |
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| 21:58.50 | starenka | abrotman: i've seen planty of them, misspeled addresses, cannot find your hostname etc etc |
| 21:58.59 | RedNifre | the "lenny" script seems to be missing from my debootstrap. Where can I get it? (I installed debootstrap in sarge) |
| 21:59.17 | starenka | abrotman: these also hang the queue? |
| 21:59.40 | abrotman | depends on the error from the remote |
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| 22:01.47 | CoolCold | guys, how to get process's command line params? there is "title" in /proc/pid/cmdline |
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| 22:02.21 | jordanm | RedNifre: you should be able to grab any debootsrap, its just a bash script |
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| 22:02.27 | Sivarts | I have a problem: My computer has onboard intel video and I want to use a pci nvidia card -- problem is bios doesn't let you disable onboard, but lets you set the priority of PCI card to be higher - this results in a kernel panic crash when I try to boot any kind of linux because it sees both cards. How can I make it only see my PCI card and not my onboard? |
| 22:02.33 | jordanm | RedNifre: seriously consider upgrading your sarge |
| 22:03.11 | RedNifre | But where can I get that bash script? |
| 22:04.15 | luckzi | now I created users with the name of my email addresses (pre-domain part) and now mail arrives in /var/mail/<username> :< |
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| 22:07.02 | yaaar | hi everybody. i updated my kernel yesterday, and now i'm seeing some ominous things (call traces) in /var/log/messages. would someone mind taking a look at this log and seeing if you have any idea what's up? http://pastebin.ca/1963334 |
| 22:07.04 | jordanm | luckzi: that is normal |
| 22:07.12 | jordanm | RedNifre: packages.debian.org |
| 22:07.37 | luckzi | jordanm: yes and no, I expect it to appear in a vastly different place |
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| 22:09.36 | abrotman | jordanm: those are nomral ? |
| 22:10.42 | jordanm | abrotman: mail arriving in /var/mail/<username> is.. its the default for exim4 in debian |
| 22:11.01 | jordanm | maybe I misunderstood part of the statement |
| 22:11.01 | abrotman | oh . . sorry. i misread, thought you were answering yaaar |
| 22:11.15 | jordanm | no, I was looking at that though :) |
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| 22:14.26 | jordanm | yaaar: looks like it is a bug. are you sure this did not occur prior to the update? |
| 22:15.03 | abrotman | would love to blame reiser, but it appears to be ext3 :) |
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| 22:19.42 | Jedman | How do I setup a Debian mail server? Is there a good tutorial on the subject somewhere? |
| 22:20.24 | rudi_s | Jedman: I think the rule is, don't if you don't know how. Especially with mail servers. |
| 22:20.30 | yaaar | jordanm: woops...no, it looks like it was happening. i thought it was new, but i guess i just hadn't gone far enough back to see it |
| 22:21.45 | shadow` | Jedman: try http://www.debianadmin.com/debian-mail-server-setup-with-postfix-dovecot-sasl-squirrel-mail.html |
| 22:22.09 | Jedman | rudi_s, thanks, I'll keep that in mind |
| 22:22.32 | Jedman | shadow`, thanks I'll check it out. |
| 22:22.34 | abrotman | eww .. squirrelmail .. |
| 22:22.34 | rudi_s | Jedman: Please don't get me wrong, it's just that mail servers are delicate and can cause a lot of problems if setup wrongly. |
| 22:22.50 | shadow` | everyone has to start somewhere tho rudi_s =p |
| 22:23.09 | rudi_s | shadow`: True .. but I wouldn't start with mail servers. |
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| 22:23.21 | abrotman | shadow`: the docs are a good start, instead of a tutorial where he won't learn anything? |
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| 22:23.44 | shadow` | i cant work with docs either |
| 22:24.04 | shadow` | its often easier with a guide if your completely new to it |
| 22:24.11 | yaaar | Jedman: i was just about to paste you a link...but shadow` already gave you the one i was going to ;-) ...also, if you don't care for squirrelmail you can install roundcube (or any other IMAP-based webmail package) really easily |
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| 22:24.18 | shadow` | docs if your looking for particulair functionality/options/config |
| 22:24.25 | abrotman | read the damn docs |
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| 22:24.43 | yaaar | Jedman: and rudi_s is right...there are very few things as difficult to get your head around as a mailserver |
| 22:24.44 | abrotman | if you want a "follow the guide, click the button" use windows |
| 22:24.57 | shadow` | lol |
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| 22:25.14 | jordanm | even that often leads to a horrible mess in windows |
| 22:25.20 | shadow` | ye everyone has no life like you abrotman which they can waste on reading and figuring out docs |
| 22:25.23 | Jedman | damn, I guess I should just quit... |
| 22:25.35 | shadow` | Jedman: just follow the tutorial |
| 22:25.45 | rudi_s | Jedman: Better read the docs as abrotman suggested. |
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| 22:26.02 | shadow` | not your fault your not as lifeless as abrotman |
| 22:26.03 | shadow` | xD |
| 22:26.04 | yaaar | i dunno. the first time i built a mailserver i used a howto like that. i never would have gotten it done without it. but i made sure i read up on the stuff i was doing when i didn't understand |
| 22:26.07 | rudi_s | shadow`: Sorry, but to do things right, you have to learn them first. Tutorials won't really help there. |
| 22:26.15 | Jedman | rudi_s, what docs should I read? |
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| 22:26.24 | shadow` | tutorial is a good start |
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| 22:26.35 | shadow` | <shadow`> docs if your looking for particulair functionality/options/config |
| 22:26.45 | jordanm | I disagree |
| 22:26.55 | jordanm | Jedman: what smtp server do you plan on using? |
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| 22:29.27 | Jedman | jordanm, localhost |
| 22:29.30 | abrotman | shadow`: hopefully he's not as lazy as you .. right? |
| 22:30.01 | shadow` | ye i know the solution to everything is 'man' |
| 22:30.13 | abrotman | If you don't ever want to learn anything, just keep following tutorials, you'll never understand what you're actually doing .. just keep going 1,2,3,4..n |
| 22:30.25 | shadow` | you maybe |
| 22:30.28 | jordanm | Jedman: http://pkg-exim4.alioth.debian.org/README/README.Debian.html |
| 22:30.38 | shadow` | tutorials make more sense then most docs |
| 22:30.51 | abrotman | no, they don't |
| 22:31.02 | yaaar | i have to say, i find it really hard to imagine just starting cold and reading the postfix docs, then reading the dovecot docs, then reading mysql docs and trying to put it all together. that's just not realistic |
| 22:31.06 | shadow` | ye i totally need to know every technological functionality of every single program or service |
| 22:31.10 | shadow` | wait whut, i dont |
| 22:31.12 | jordanm | by leaving out all details and real information? |
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| 22:31.27 | abrotman | yaaar: postfix has fantastic docs .. some of the better docs out there for F/OSS |
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| 22:31.41 | Jedman | thanks jordanm, guess I'll be reading tonight... |
| 22:31.42 | shadow` | yaaar: some people just like wasting time |
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| 22:31.49 | abrotman | some people are lazy |
| 22:32.02 | abrotman | some people don't care about learning |
| 22:32.05 | shadow` | grabbing a tutorial and skipping a whole bunch of useless mumbo jumbo works allot better for _most_ people |
| 22:32.12 | jordanm | Jedman: you may also want to consider postfix as mentioned by others. many say its easier to configure than exim4, but I have never used it |
| 22:32.16 | yaaar | abrotman: sure, i agree completely...but they're good for answering my specific questions or addressing my specific issues. they won't tell a noob where to start |
| 22:32.30 | shadow` | comming back to '<shadow`> docs if your looking for particulair functionality/options/config' |
| 22:32.35 | jordanm | shadow`: then most people are bad admins IMO |
| 22:32.39 | abrotman | yaaar: just because you're a noob doesn't mean you don't want to learn |
| 22:32.43 | shadow` | not everyone is an admin jordanm |
| 22:32.50 | abrotman | then they should hire one |
| 22:32.57 | jordanm | they should be if there are putting an smtp server on the internet |
| 22:33.07 | jordanm | they're |
| 22:33.15 | yaaar | abrotman: and i take issue with the concept that using a tutorial means you can't or won't learn anything. tutorials aren't mutually exclusive with the docs you know |
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| 22:33.24 | shadow` | so if i, for fun or just 5 friend group, setup a mail server with basic functionality |
| 22:33.28 | shadow` | i should hire an admin? |
| 22:33.34 | themill | wonders if shadow` actually has anything useful to add to the discussion |
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| 22:33.36 | abrotman | yaaar: for those that rely on them, they are .. |
| 22:33.41 | shadow` | or read through thousands of lines of docs? |
| 22:33.44 | yaaar | bullshit |
| 22:33.50 | abrotman | !be a reading barbie |
| 22:33.50 | dpkg | Aww, reading is HARD! Let's go shopping, abrotman |
| 22:34.01 | jordanm | hehe |
| 22:34.46 | shadow` | if you need to know what xenophobe means, you read an entire dictionary abrotman? |
| 22:35.10 | abrotman | shadow`: sadly, i have read large portions of the dictionary .. you picked a bad example :) |
| 22:35.19 | jordanm | dictionary is a reference resource, not software documentation |
| 22:35.21 | abrotman | had a lot of free time as a kid :) |
| 22:35.39 | themill | shadow`: perhaps you were wanting #defocus for your ramblings |
| 22:36.04 | shadow` | no, i was trying to help a kid and ppl bitch and moan about using tutorials because some people arent as lifeless as they are |
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| 22:36.27 | abrotman | shadow`: you never asked him what he actually wanted to do .. you pointed him at a tutorial that was total overkill for what he was after |
| 22:36.30 | themill | shadow`: take a break for the sake of the rest of us, please. |
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| 22:36.42 | yaaar | i think themill has a solid point here...we aren't getting any place with this... |
| 22:36.57 | yaaar | we should just move on to something else... |
| 22:37.01 | jordanm | yep, but its over now |
| 22:37.07 | abrotman | yaaar: did you find anything about your kernel dump? |
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| 22:37.42 | yaaar | abrotman: no...not other than the revelation that it's been happening a lot longer than i thought |
| 22:38.01 | abrotman | yaaar: is it always with updatedb ? |
| 22:38.16 | starenka | abrotman: so i've found 20k deferred - mostly because missing rdns and fqdn. thank you, i've learned many from your hint. |
| 22:38.19 | starenka | good nite all |
| 22:38.42 | jordanm | yaaar: I found it had been reported in upstream and in ubuntu, both appeared unresolved |
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| 22:39.10 | abrotman | starenka: enjoy! |
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| 22:39.58 | yaaar | abrotman: almost always, but here's one from kjournald: http://pastebin.com/Cvwy0emH |
| 22:40.27 | yaaar | jordanm: i see. good eye... |
| 22:41.00 | abrotman | yaaar: that's a different dump |
| 22:41.18 | yaaar | yeah i have one from df too |
| 22:41.28 | yaaar | and exim4 |
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| 22:42.01 | yaaar | and cron |
| 22:42.14 | abrotman | heavy disk IO situations ? |
| 22:42.19 | yaaar | ooh, there's one from reiser |
| 22:42.28 | abrotman | aha! i knew it! reiser is to blame! |
| 22:42.33 | yaaar | abrotman: yeah, this is a backuppc server |
| 22:43.08 | yaaar | which is why i'm using reiser....backuppc relies heavily on hard links, uses tons of inodes, etc. |
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| 22:45.01 | yaaar | so, the vast majority of these are updatedb. do you think it would help to just turn that cron job off? |
| 22:45.37 | abrotman | do you use locate on the server? |
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| 22:47.06 | yaaar | abrotman: i guess occasionally. but i could live without it |
| 22:47.31 | jordanm | wants a debian.lurker.<name> cloak :p |
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| 22:47.34 | yaaar | actually what would be nice is to restrict it to the / fs |
| 22:47.56 | abrotman | yaaar: you can do that .. look at the related cron job |
| 22:47.58 | yaaar | i certainly don't need/want locate on the backup partition |
| 22:48.04 | abrotman | oh .. and the updatedb man page :) |
| 22:48.11 | yaaar | yeah, naturally |
| 22:48.33 | yaaar | ok i'll give that a shot and see if it behaves better |
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| 22:59.45 | karsten | OT: IPv4 reserved space. Is there anything more recent than RFC 3330? |
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| 23:00.25 | jordanm | karsten: there is ##networking |
| 23:02.07 | karsten | jordanm: Danke |
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| 23:02.47 | dig | hi |
| 23:02.52 | dig | im getting kernel panic unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) |
| 23:02.56 | dig | with latest kernel |
| 23:03.04 | dig | currently using debian lenny 5.0 |
| 23:03.26 | dig | iv used the config file from the installation (found in /boot) |
| 23:03.50 | jordanm | this is a custom kernel? |
| 23:03.57 | dig | nop |
| 23:04.03 | dig | the latest one found at kernel.org |
| 23:04.06 | dig | 37. something |
| 23:04.17 | jordanm | I meant custom as-in not a debian kernel |
| 23:04.24 | jordanm | did you use kernel-package? |
| 23:04.27 | dig | yep |
| 23:04.49 | dig | installed it with dpkg -i after that, rebooted |
| 23:05.05 | dig | it were supposed to work right? |
| 23:05.36 | jordanm | well, there is typically 3 things that cause that: a) lack HDD support built-in to the kernel (no initrd) b) lack HDD support in the initrd c) root= on kernel line in menu.lst is incorrect |
| 23:05.41 | jordanm | dig: what is wrong with the debian kernels? |
| 23:05.56 | luckzi | how do I prevent an "aptitude remove postfix" from taking along into doom bzip2 and ssh and several other things I may actually want to keep? |
| 23:06.02 | themill | dig: precisely what kernel and where is it from? |
| 23:06.25 | themill | dpkg: tell luckzi about unmarkauto |
| 23:07.12 | dig | i tried to compile the 2.6.35.7 from kernel.org |
| 23:07.21 | luckzi | thanks |
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| 23:07.51 | themill | dig: right... so not 37.something... |
| 23:08.52 | themill | dig: it's supposed to work if you do it right. Believe it or not, there's a reason that Debian distributes prebuilt kernels. |
| 23:09.05 | dig | yeah |
| 23:09.09 | dig | well i did a simple change |
| 23:09.39 | dig | the stock kernel is 2.6.26-2-i686 |
| 23:09.46 | dig | i just used the stock config file |
| 23:09.55 | dig | used when i first installed the server |
| 23:10.12 | dig | then enabled ext4 support |
| 23:10.18 | dig | havent changed nothing else |
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| 23:10.53 | dig | i noticed a few warnings, regarding of missing values in config file |
| 23:12.15 | dig | but all of them seemed be harmless |
| 23:12.27 | dig | the warnings were like: config:3779:warning: symbol value 'm' invalid for GFS2_FS_LOCKING_DLM |
| 23:13.56 | themill | dig: if you're compiling your own kernel, it's assumed you know what you're doing. We can't speculate at what you missed any further than what jordanm has already done. |
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| 23:15.03 | dig | iv loaded the config geenerated by the server install |
| 23:15.07 | dig | aint that enough? |
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| 23:16.29 | dig | the root line on menu.1st is right |
| 23:16.58 | dig | them its missing the initrd |
| 23:17.22 | themill | it would be enough if you were compiling 2.6.26 and you correctly generate the initrd, but you're not doing that |
| 23:17.35 | blast_hardcheese | Hey all, trying to set up jabberd14 with Postgresql and getting "PGRES_FATAL_ERROR" when I do pretty much everything |
| 23:17.35 | dig | how do i generate the initr? |
| 23:17.37 | blast_hardcheese | http://blast.hardchee.se/pnopaste/?46 |
| 23:18.04 | blast_hardcheese | s/everything/anything/ |
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| 23:18.51 | Raydiation | how long will lenny be supported? |
| 23:19.10 | jordanm | Raydiation: approx 1 year after squeeze is released |
| 23:19.37 | blast_hardcheese | If this isn't the correct place to ask about jabberd14, I'll accept suggestions for other places to ask |
| 23:19.52 | blast_hardcheese | I am running it on Debian, I suspect it might be a maintainer issue |
| 23:19.52 | Raydiation | hm i have to get a new server and this is quite bad |
| 23:20.14 | Raydiation | i think it will take til july until stable comes out |
| 23:20.14 | dig | make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot --initrd --revision=custom.0 kernel_image kernel_headers |
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| 23:20.59 | jordanm | i really doubt the freeze will last 11mos |
| 23:24.04 | jpinx-eeepc | ,versions jabberd14 |
| 23:24.05 | judd | Package jabberd14 on i386 -- sid: 1.6.1.1-5; squeeze: 1.6.1.1-5 |
| 23:24.33 | Raydiation | are testing updates after freeze still deadly? |
| 23:24.43 | dondelelcaro | Raydiation: in theory, no |
| 23:24.56 | dondelelcaro | Raydiation: but bugs slip by all the time |
| 23:25.21 | Raydiation | hm so you wouldnt recommend it for a homeserver |
| 23:25.52 | dondelelcaro | Raydiation: if it's not being used in production, it's probably ok, but otherwise, I'd use stable |
| 23:26.19 | jpinx-eeepc | Raydiation: I'm non-expert using it at home, and I use stable with backports and volatile - for peace of mind ;) |
| 23:27.31 | jpinx-eeepc | blast_hardcheese: what release are you using and how did you insttall jabberd14 ? |
| 23:28.10 | blast_hardcheese | jpinx-eeepc: Running testing, aptitude install jabberd14 |
| 23:29.27 | jpinx-eeepc | blast_hardcheese: fairysnuff - in that case I have nfc - sorry :) |
| 23:29.39 | blast_hardcheese | jpinx-eeepc: When I was configuring, I swapped out the sql section with the one in xdb_postgresql.xml.gz, I set up the table using pgsql_createdb.sql.gz |
| 23:29.50 | blast_hardcheese | darn. |
| 23:30.22 | jpinx-eeepc | blast_hardcheese: if you were messing with tht, and reading the error , I suggest that you broke it ;) |
| 23:30.43 | blast_hardcheese | jpinx-eeepc: Right, that's why I'm in here :) |
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| 23:31.04 | blast_hardcheese | I blew away all old configurations and redid everything from scratch, |
| 23:31.58 | jpinx-eeepc | blast_hardcheese: I'm clutching at straws, but backup your special configs and re-install and do things stage by stage |
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| 23:32.27 | blast_hardcheese | I %s/localhost/myserver/'d, replaced localhost in /etc/default/jabberd14, swapped out the SQL definitions with the one from that gz, set up my database using that .sql.gz, then set up CACert for TLS |
| 23:32.38 | jpinx-eeepc | re-install = purge, manually delete configs, install |
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| 23:33.03 | blast_hardcheese | Not sure if TLS worked, I haven't been able to get iChat to connect with SSL, but that's probably because iChat was written by Apple. |
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| 23:33.56 | dig | nobody has any idea? tutorial maybe? |
| 23:33.59 | dig | ;( |
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| 23:35.33 | Dannenberg | hey |
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| 23:36.15 | Dannenberg | hey i was wondering if anyone could help me with setting up vpn with pptpd |
| 23:36.43 | jordanm | dig: what is your reasoning for doing this anyways? |
| 23:36.53 | Dannenberg | i have it set up and i can connect to it but it doesnt respond when i try to visit sites |
| 23:36.57 | Dannenberg | i am in canada |
| 23:36.58 | jordanm | the pre-compiled packages are provided for a reason |
| 23:37.05 | Dannenberg | my server is at home in the states |
| 23:37.06 | Dannenberg | i miss hulu |
| 23:37.17 | Dannenberg | i install them |
| 23:37.28 | Dannenberg | but for some reason i am not getting a response when i try to laod pages |
| 23:37.48 | jordanm | Dannenberg: you don't need VPN for thats. a SOCKS proxy using ssh should be fine |
| 23:37.48 | Dannenberg | nope |
| 23:37.49 | Dannenberg | done it before |
| 23:37.51 | Dannenberg | it did not work |
| 23:37.58 | Dannenberg | hulu was not fooled |
| 23:38.43 | jordanm | perhaps flash ignores proxy settings? did you verify it was working otherwise? |
| 23:38.49 | Dannenberg | yeah |
| 23:38.58 | Dannenberg | whatismyip.org gave me my us ip |
| 23:39.17 | Dannenberg | and i think thedailyshow.com worked |
| 23:39.18 | jpinx-eeepc | flash *does* ignore proxy settings - I tried it |
| 23:39.26 | dig | jordanm, i need ext4 support |
| 23:39.42 | jpinx-eeepc | !ext4 |
| 23:39.42 | dpkg | [ext4] Fourth extended file system. Supports volumes up to one exabyte (1024 petabytes) and extents. Support for ext4 filesystem features included in e2fsprogs since 1.41~WIP-2008-06-17-1. Merged in mainline Linux kernel, available in 2.6.28 and later. Ask me about <ext3->ext4> and <ext4->ext3>. Not supported by GRUB Legacy (Debian bug #511121). http://wiki.debian.org/Ext4 http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/ #ext4 on irc.oftc.net. |
| 23:40.00 | jpinx-eeepc | dig standard kernels support ext4 |
| 23:40.01 | jordanm | dig: i doubt you *need* ext4 support, but instructions in lenny are in the wiki above |
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| 23:41.34 | dig | this server was running centos before, and we have a raid10 array with ext4 on it. we have decided to switch to debian, so thats the reason because i need it |
| 23:41.38 | dig | hum |
| 23:41.44 | abrotman | dig: so use the bpo kernel |
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| 23:41.51 | dig | bpo? |
| 23:41.52 | I_Died_Once | I'm not sure if I installed the correct arcitecture version of debian for my system |
| 23:41.54 | jordanm | dig: centos doesn't support ext4 either... |
| 23:42.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | jordanm: it does from 5.4 |
| 23:42.01 | jordanm | erm, by default |
| 23:42.02 | abrotman | !tell dig about backports.org |
| 23:42.08 | dig | how come i was using ext4 there |
| 23:42.12 | dig | heh |
| 23:42.39 | I_Died_Once | aside from cracking open my tower, how can i find out what architacture my motherboard is? |
| 23:42.41 | jordanm | Kamping_Kaiser: ah, good to know |
| 23:42.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | jordanm: :) |
| 23:43.03 | jordanm | I wasn't aware they added it with a point release |
| 23:43.12 | dig | ext4 support enabled after 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 23:43.16 | jon8 | jordanm, centos suports ext4 |
| 23:43.22 | dig | so i need upgrade the kernel anyways ;( |
| 23:43.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | jordanm: centos and debian point releases are rather different beasts |
| 23:43.28 | jordanm | jon8: yep, I am aware now :) |
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| 23:43.55 | jpinx-eeepc | dig: it's dead easy with backports and aptitude ;) |
| 23:44.00 | abrotman | okay .. could we stop arguing about centos ? :) |
| 23:44.01 | jordanm | Kamping_Kaiser: I knew that they backported drivers, but not fs drivers in particular |
| 23:44.13 | jon8 | jpinx-eeepc what is the easiy way to get dig to be able to support ext4 on debian can you elaborate? |
| 23:44.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | abrotman: roger |
| 23:44.20 | abrotman | dig: read the instructions at backports.org .. |
| 23:44.44 | jpinx-eeepc | jon8: we did all that up there â |
| 23:44.57 | jon8 | ah so you did, cute up arrow btw |
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| 23:45.26 | jpinx-eeepc | mind this one doesn't get you in the eye â ;) |
| 23:45.33 | dig | k |
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| 23:46.35 | jon8 | jpinx hah. |
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| 23:47.01 | quidnunc | How do I undelete a file from an ext3 file system? |
| 23:47.44 | jordanm | quidnunc: ext3 does not support undelete |
| 23:47.56 | jordanm | restore it from a backup |
| 23:48.29 | abrotman | !undelete |
| 23:48.30 | dpkg | Linux doesn't generally support 'undeleting' files. For ext2fs *only*, use mc (Midnight Commander), umount the fs, and select "Undelete files" from menu. For ext3fs, see http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html and ask me about <ext3grep>. With reiserfs, jfs, xfs, you're SooL. Some desktops (GNOME/KDE) offer a trash bin. See also <photorec>, <fatback>. |
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| 23:48.33 | quidnunc | jordanm: I don't have a backup. I a large media file that I spent some time downloading and a bug in firefox caused it to get deleted. |
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| 23:49.10 | quidnunc | It's not critical data I just wanted to avoid downloading it again |
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| 23:50.09 | jpinx-eeepc | quidnunc: it'll be easier to download it again than try to find the bits of it on your hdd ;) |
| 23:50.10 | jordanm | what bug in firefox? |
| 23:50.20 | blast_hardcheese | jordanm: Probably Firefox. |
| 23:50.24 | abrotman | hpoefully he means iceweasel .. but i'm skeptical |
| 23:50.50 | dig | :S |
| 23:51.01 | blast_hardcheese | Firefox is a bug. |
| 23:52.27 | quidnunc | jordanm: It may be an fsync issue. iceweasel/firefox download to a .part file. It seems that it does not do the rename to remove the .part extension in an atomic way |
| 23:52.31 | dig | theres nothing available on bop |
| 23:52.43 | jpinx-eeepc | quidnunc: mine does |
| 23:52.47 | jordanm | ,kernels |
| 23:52.50 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.36-rc6-686 (2.6.36~rc6-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-24); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-23); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-23~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-25lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 23:52.53 | quidnunc | jpinx-eeepc: What? |
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| 23:53.12 | jpinx-eeepc | quidnunc: rename the d'loaded file |
| 23:53.36 | quidnunc | jpinx-eeepc: It renames it, just not safely. If something happens during the rename operation data gets lost. |
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| 23:54.13 | dig | jordanm |
| 23:54.16 | abrotman | quidnunc: which version of Debian is this? |
| 23:54.21 | dig | those backports come with ext4 enabled |
| 23:54.25 | dig | or do i need to recompile them also? |
| 23:54.30 | abrotman | they have ext4 |
| 23:54.35 | jpinx-eeepc | quidnunc: ok - not really on-topic here, but I download a lot of smallish files (not music) and never had a problem |
| 23:54.38 | dig | oh thx god! |
| 23:54.52 | quidnunc | testing |
| 23:55.11 | abrotman | quidnunc: there is no firefox in Debian .. where did you get firefox? |
| 23:55.19 | quidnunc | I just call it firefox |
| 23:55.23 | abrotman | anyway .. you saw what the bot said asbove about undelete |
| 23:55.40 | dig | grr |
| 23:55.40 | quidnunc | abrotman: Yes, thank you. My question is answered. |
| 23:55.50 | dig | it ways im missing some firmwares |
| 23:55.52 | dig | bnx2/bnx2-rv2p-09ax-5.0.0.j3.fw |
| 23:56.04 | jordanm | !bnx2 |
| 23:56.04 | dpkg | [bnx2] The driver for Broadcom NetXtreme II 1Gb (BCM5706/5708/5709/5716) NIC chipsets. Firmware from userspace is required since linux-2.6 2.6.24-7; ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-bnx2 package to provide. If required, ask me about <installer firmware> to provide bnx2 firmware files for device use at Debian installation time. See also <bcm5716>, <bnx2x>. |
| 23:56.37 | dig | !bnx2 installer firmware |
| 23:57.18 | abrotman | dig: just enable non-free for backports and install the firmware-bnx2 pacakge |
| 23:57.29 | abrotman | erm .. on your main sources? whatever |
| 23:57.34 | abrotman | judd: versions firmware-bnx2 |
| 23:57.37 | judd | Package firmware-bnx2 on i386 -- etch/non-free: 0.4+etchnhalf.1; etch-backports/non-free: 0.13~bpo40+1; lenny/non-free: 0.14+lenny2; lenny-backports/non-free: 0.24~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 0.26; sid/non-free: 0.27 |
| 23:57.40 | abrotman | or both! |
| 23:57.53 | smacnay | is there an update-alternatives option for a default x file manager? |
| 23:59.33 | dig | jordanm |
| 23:59.35 | dig | just install |
| 23:59.42 | dig | or do i need to 'reinstall' the kernel package/ |
| 23:59.56 | dig | Unpacking firmware-bnx2 (from .../firmware-bnx2_0.24~bpo50+1_all.deb) ... |
| 23:59.57 | dig | Setting up firmware-bnx2 (0.24~bpo50+1) ... |
| 23:59.57 | dig | update-initramfs: deferring update (trigger activated) |
| 23:59.57 | dig | Processing triggers for initramfs-tools ... |
| 23:59.57 | dig | update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-bpo.5-686 |
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