IRC log for #debian on 20101016

00:00.04jordanmsigh
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00:00.06digoops
00:00.14digseens it already did it for me ;p
00:00.53jordanmsmacnay: you can view all alternatives with 'ls /etc/alternatives'
00:01.03jordanmI don't think so
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00:01.23smacnayjordanm, thanks
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00:04.49rryouumaahi, i'd like to back up an imap server (over which i have no control except as a user) without syncing to the server (thus offlineimap will not work -- risk of uploading unintentionally) and without marking articles as read on the server (thus getmail will not work).  suggestions as to which tools to try first?
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00:05.39digha
00:05.46digjordanm
00:05.49digit worked like a charm
00:05.53digall i need is there
00:06.01digthx jordanm, abrotman
00:06.10digreally appreciate it
00:06.10abrotmanrryouumaa: there is a tool called uhm ... imapsync .. would that work ?
00:06.22miasmahmm, what basically could have gone wrong. i moved my root fs from /dev/sda1 to /dev/sdb1 using mv. this all happened using a live cd.. now I can't log in as non-root
00:06.33rryouumaaabrotman: dunno, i found about 15 tools, but i don't know which ones are non-buggy and supported and can do what i want.
00:06.45abrotmanread the docs?
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00:07.06jordanmmiasma: /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst (or grub.cfg) specify drives
00:07.09DebianNeulingHallo
00:07.29miasmajordanm: the system boots alright. it's just that i can't log in as my ordinary user. logging in as root works
00:07.41miasmajordanm: and apparently some init scripts are also bitching about permissions
00:07.42rryouumaaabrotman: been there done that.  really hard to find out the 3rd and the first 2 are of course never mentioned in the docs.  hoping for some open source buzz from somebody who has tried to do as i want to do (back up an imap server)
00:07.53DebianNeulingi have some Problem's
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00:07.58jordanmmiasma: what kind of filesystem did you move it to?
00:08.01rryouumaafor example, the getmail docs never explained that they mark articles as read on the server.  other docs will not either.
00:08.06miasmajordanm: from ext4 to ext2
00:08.15DebianNeuling1. i cant write english :-)
00:08.16abrotmanrryouumaa: i believe imapsync honors the flags
00:08.18abrotman!de
00:08.19dpkgDeutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
00:08.37DebianNeuling2. there is no answare in german support channel :-(
00:09.14jordanmDebianNeuling: there is probably a german support mailing list as well
00:09.39DebianNeulingoO i used debian-de -.- sry now trying debian.de ^^
00:10.13miasmajordanm: also 'su myuser' fails. it reports that /bin/bash permission denied even though both /bin and /bash have enough permissions
00:11.40jordanmmiasma: lets see them
00:12.10miasmathe permission bits?
00:12.36miasma/bin/ has 755 and /bin/bash has the same
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00:17.06cesuraseanwhat is a good utility for debian to burn dvds/cds?
00:17.17abrotmanwhich DE?
00:17.20scifiguycesurasean: dd works for me
00:17.47abrotmancesurasean: gnome? kde? something else?
00:17.52cesuraseangnome
00:18.03cesuraseanthere's one that starts with K, i think
00:18.13abrotmancesurasean: brasero works well, as does gnomebaker
00:19.22miasmaoh gawd, i probably need to reinstall the whole system then. what's ironic is that everything works as root. the ordinary user can't do anything
00:19.50cesuraseani put a DVD in, and brasero just wants to make an iso when i click burn
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00:20.49miasmacp /bin/bash /bash; chmod 777 /bash; su myuser -s /bash ==> Cannot execute /bash: Permission denied :S
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00:23.13pcncxI can't get my machine to connect to the network with dhcpd automatically after boot
00:23.53jordanmmiasma: paste the output of 'mount'
00:24.36miasmajordanm: i have problems using pastebins via cmdline =F do you need more than the line for the root file system
00:24.49jordanmno
00:25.22miasmait contains: /dev/sda1 on / type auto (rw,noatime,errors=remount-ro)
00:25.39miasmathere's no noexec flag. everything works as root
00:25.58jordanmmiasma: su myuser -c 'bash --norc'
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00:26.40miasmajordanm: doesn't do anything
00:26.46miasmai mean doesn't change the user
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00:27.28jordanmmiasma: it shoud. id -u
00:27.34miasmastrace of that says that it cannot open /etc/security/pam_winding.conf
00:27.40miasma*winbing.conf
00:27.43miasma*bind :F
00:27.50zu22hi
00:28.02pcncxzu22 hello
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00:28.20jordanmmiasma: you are authenticating to active directory?
00:28.31zu22pcncx: :)
00:28.46miasmajordanm: no, this is a single user home pc
00:29.04miasmabut it also works as a samba server
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00:29.22jordanm,file /etc/security/pam_winding.conf --release sid
00:29.25juddNo packages were found with that file.
00:29.26pcncxmiasma I'll have mine shaken not stirred
00:29.28jordanm,file /etc/security/pam_winbind.conf --release sid
00:29.31juddNo packages were found with that file.
00:29.58miasmapcncx: okay?
00:30.09jordanmmiasma: that file doesn't appear to be in debian. now back to su myuser -c 'bash --norc'. that should definatly change your user (but not your prompt). did you check id -u?
00:30.30pcncxmiasma and tell that samba server you got i don't want no funny little umbrella in my drink either!
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00:31.09miasmajordanm: id -u returns 0
00:31.56jordanmmiasma: that is not expected behavior. what version of debian is this?
00:32.38miasmasqueeze
00:32.52ehndei just tried to install the ati fglrx driver for my radeon 4850, and now i'm getting phy0 -> rt2x00lib_request_firmware: Error - Failed to request Firmware
00:33.06miasmajordanm: look, the system worked just fine before I moved the root fs to another partition
00:33.17miasmaI'm just wondering, how can 'mv' break it so badly
00:33.24miasmai've done it 1000 times before
00:33.44pcncxmiasma what does moving it do for you I could see if you built a static copy
00:34.12miasmapcncx: the moving should keep all files and attributes intact
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00:34.22jordanmmiasma: did the filesystem contain existing files. what did you configure to use winbind?
00:34.49miasmano, it was a blank drive. i mkfs'd the partition and moved the files. then rebooted
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00:35.11pcncxmiasma break your libc with a shared shell and see where you're at!
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00:35.37miasmapcncx: what does that mean?
00:35.54pcncxmiasma you know what libc is right?
00:35.58miasmayea
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00:36.17pcncxmiasma yeah well if it dies so does every dynamiclly linked executable on your system
00:36.28miasmamost likely. but how's that possible
00:36.48pcncxmiasma oh i managed ot do it once trying to get side by side libcs running on a box
00:37.19miasmasomething tells me this *is* some library issue. probably some library permissions are wrong
00:38.07pcncxmiasma build a static one and see static shells are nice anyways
00:38.14DebianNeulingI have installed Debie AMD64.After the installation everything works for the desktop manager to run.From the moment remains my Bildchirm black.I can not ctrl + alt + f1 change in the text view.
00:38.36miasmapcncx: i built a static hello world. and tried: su myuser -s /myshell. but again permission error reading /myshell
00:38.40jordanmthere should already be a static shell, /bin/busybox
00:38.56pcncxmiasma no you have to build bash statically for it to make a difference
00:38.57miasmasu can't read anything when given a non-root username
00:39.09miasmapcncx: why is a hello world worse than bash?
00:39.27yagooDebianNeuling, see the xorg.conf file.. maybe you have VT keys disabled
00:39.42pcncxmiasma can't say as i follow
00:40.02miasmapcncx: let's assume i have a static bash now at /mybash
00:40.09miasmasu can't load it
00:40.17pcncxmiasma why not?
00:40.25miasmai'm trying to figure out
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00:40.49pcncxmiasma I'd have to see it to believe it
00:41.05pcncxmiasma static bins stand on their own well shells do at least
00:41.12miasmapcncx: 'su root -s /mybash' works, 'su myuser -s /mybash' gives 'permission denied' error
00:41.19luckzianybody know if tumgreyspf stores the mails it processes anywhere?
00:41.54miasmajordanm: busybox isn't statically compiled. it depends on 4 libs
00:42.08DebianNeulingyagoo: Where can I find?
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00:43.06pcncxmiasma well bash only seems to depend on 4 libs as well least you don't have too much to look through
00:43.31pcncxbut one of them is  libc
00:43.36miasmabut like I said, I already compiled a static executable. it's just that su fails *before* it even tries to execute that file
00:43.53pcncxmiasma yeah because userspace goes through the shell
00:44.03abrotmanDebianNeuling: that's intentional
00:44.25miasmapcncx: ah, so I should try to login as root and use another shell
00:44.25abrotmanwait .. different option
00:44.39pcncxmiasma that is like saying yeah i painted the room then closed and locked the door now i can't see my work
00:46.14pcncxanyhow anyone here know why my system won't acquire an IP when it boots dhcp?
00:46.28pcncxI'm getting tired of pumping it
00:46.57pcncx<PROTECTED>
00:47.08DebianNeulingyagoo: http://paste.debian.net/96671/
00:47.31miasmapcncx: does it bring the interface up when booting?
00:47.39pcncxheck it even looks like it is working in the boot messages but once I'm at my desktop it is dead in the water
00:47.57pcncxmiasma yes i see the IP go by in the boot messages
00:48.01miasmaah
00:48.09pcncxit is driving me nuts!
00:48.24pcncxthen once I log in and ifconfig no more IP
00:48.26miasmabut when you log in, the interface is up and still waiting for a ip lease?
00:48.43miasmacould be problem also in the dhcp server
00:48.46pcncxyeah the danged dhcpd deamon is running and everything
00:48.58pcncxI doubt it no other machine has any problems
00:49.07miasmabut after manually running dhclient, it works again?
00:49.22pcncxI been using pump but I'd imagine any kick gets it going
00:49.26miasmaokay
00:49.44pcncxI'd think this could just happen at boot but so far I've had no luck
00:50.19miasmai guess my system is so borked I have to reinstall it. thanks anyway
00:50.36pcncxmiasma reinstall is never the answer with Linux
00:50.42miasmayea, but it's quick
00:50.47pcncxmiasma you only eventually end up right back where you are
00:51.01miasmai don't think so. i messed up something when moving the files
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00:51.06pcncxbetter to find the real solution
00:51.17miasmascratches head
00:52.15DebianNeulingplease someone help me to fix my 64bit Debian installation
00:52.46pcncxDebianNeuling can you be a little more vague?
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00:53.15DebianNeulingI have installed Debie AMD64.After the installation everything works for the desktop manager to run.From the moment remains my screen black.I can not ctrl + alt + f1 change in the text view.
00:53.34pcncxDebianNeuling try ctrl+alt+F2
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00:53.51DebianNeulingnothing works f1-f7
00:53.56miasmapcncx: i logged in using bash from bash-static now. it still seems to fail. were you suggesting that I should recompile also su ?
00:54.13pcncxmiasma no you found a static bash?
00:54.15ehndeDebianNeuling: are you able to see the boot process?
00:54.24miasmapcncx: apt-get install bash-static ?
00:54.28pcncxmiasma nice!
00:54.30DebianNeulingyes but its realy quick
00:54.40pcncxmiasma sure you're using it too?
00:55.03miasmapcncx: ps -ef says I'm using it
00:55.23pcncxmiasma k then what is the problem? do internal commands work?
00:55.29ehndeDebianNeuling: not sure if this will help, but you could try booting into single user mode and chmod -x gdm
00:55.50miasmapcncx: the strace of su also said that it fails to open /dev/log when doing 'su myuser'.. it works when trying 'su root'
00:55.58DebianNeulingthe same command if i use KDE?
00:56.12miasmapcncx: it just seems that the whole file system is hidden from ordinary users
00:56.14pcncxmiasma k so it works for root but not any user?
00:56.17ehndechmod -x /etc/init.d/kdm
00:56.19miasmapcncx: yes
00:56.23ehndefor kde
00:56.33pcncxmiasma perms problem they can be tricky
00:56.53pcncxmiasma but it is not with any lib
00:57.03miasmaseems so now
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00:57.21pcncxmiasma must have something to do with how the system deals with accounts
00:57.34miasmai could try the core debian system and copy some stuff from there
00:57.38miasmae.g. /dev
00:57.39DebianNeulingi test
00:58.11pcncxmiasma all that is stuff I never noodled with very much I just accept it
00:58.56miasmapcncx: yea, it's probably easier to reinstall this now. I have the list of packages and have a fast internet connection. it's easier that way
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00:59.08pcncxmiasma I hear ya
00:59.27pcncxmiasma always good to have /home its own partition for such events
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00:59.49miasmapcncx: it is. i only made a temporary /home for this
00:59.53pcncxmiasma I've broken distros and just overinstalled and gotten them to limp back to life
01:00.20pcncxmiasma heck I've blown up PCs swapped HDDs and ran Linux it is prety durable
01:00.58pcncxmiasma somehow managed to get an AMD kernel to run on an intel box once
01:01.16pcncxmiasma and no I've no idea to this day why it worked but it did!
01:01.20miasmathat's possible. they mostly have the same instruction set
01:01.25miasmaunless you mean x86 and am64
01:01.27miasma*amd64
01:01.32pcncxnah was both 32s
01:01.46pcncxit didn't run too well but it ran
01:01.50miasmathe amd x86 instruction set is mostly the same
01:01.57miasmathe kernel option deals with optimizations
01:02.13pcncxran well enough I could get my data off that box heck I think I built a kernel for it and ran it for a bit
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01:02.24pcncxit was still pretty hashed though
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01:05.10miasmapcncx: i managed to log in!
01:05.21pcncxmiasma oh yeah?
01:05.35miasmabut not sure about the correct permissions. i did chmod 777 /. -- it helped
01:05.56miasmafound via google
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01:06.13miasmamaybe 775 is the correct one
01:06.22pcncxmiasma my bash is -rwxr-xr-x
01:06.34miasmabash?
01:06.41miasmai mean the modifiers of the /.
01:06.47miasmavisible via: ls -la /
01:08.21pcncxmiasma that just shows me everything in it but not / itself
01:08.36miasmait shows . and ..
01:08.53miasma. is the entry for the current directory
01:08.57pcncxoh OK they're both drwxr-xr-x
01:09.01miasmaok, thanks
01:09.07miasmaand the group is root?
01:09.11pcncxyes
01:09.15miasmaokay
01:09.27pcncxwhat is the 21?
01:09.38johntramphi, after adding myself to another group using usermod -a -G .... do i need to restart X, or is there a way to update without restarting
01:09.51miasmapcncx: it's the number of files in that directory, most likely
01:09.54pcncxjohntramp I think you need to logout
01:09.57miasmaor inodes
01:10.52jordanmthere was a way to refresh without logging out, but it only worked for the current shell, and I don't recall what it was
01:11.38pcncxjordanm I know what you mean it'd inherit future shells but I find stuff liek that annoying
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01:11.54pcncxis more the global kind of a guy ...
01:12.05Debianneulingi'm back
01:12.13pcncxDebianneuling how is everything?
01:12.39luckzidtc+squeeze does not work very well at all for me, the MTA side of it kept insisting that the users I tried to send mail to don't exist.. did anybody have the same problem and overcome it?
01:14.21Debianneulingpcncx: i tried "chmod -x /etc/init.d/kdm". at the next restart my Computer starts to the end without KDM. if i used to start KDM with "kdm" everithing stop and the screen was black
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01:15.16pcncxDebianneuling so why did you do that?
01:15.43ehndeso now you can get to a command prompt at least
01:15.57miasmaDebianneuling: you most likely have a broken/wrong X.org display driver set up
01:16.01ehndemay be a video card driver problem
01:16.14Debianneulingi whant to start the Desktop to get help
01:16.28ehndetry ctrl alt backspace
01:16.30Debianneulingnow im on the same PC with an Live CD
01:16.37pcncxDebianneuling you can rough it in the terminal for a bit
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01:17.02ehndei think ctrl alt backspace will kill an xserver iirc
01:17.07pcncxheck I've managed to download binary video drivers with lynx from the terminal
01:17.26pcncxehnde some distros disable that
01:17.44ehndebrb reboot
01:17.44pcncxwhich is raher disconcerting
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01:19.18pcncxDebianneuling did you mount your root filesystem?
01:19.27Debianneulingis there any way to use more than 2Gb RAM with the 32bit Debian?
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01:20.03Debianneulingpcncx: i can look at every file on my hard drife with this Live CD
01:20.21luckziDebianneuling: bigmem kernel?
01:20.27jordanmDebianneuling: install the -bigmem kernel
01:20.34jordanmor the amd64 kernel
01:20.38pcncxDebianneuling k go look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log of your installed system not the live one
01:21.19pcncxDebianneuling look for (EE) in it that is bad
01:21.42ehndehow do i remove the desktop install suite? (back to the plain net install defaults)
01:21.53ehndei screwed up upgrading from lenny to squeeze
01:22.10abrotmanthe normal kernel can use more than 2GB
01:22.12Debianneulingpcncx: there is no file like this
01:22.14ehndealot of unmet dependencies
01:22.29pcncxDebianneuling well then you never ran X
01:22.30jordanm!tell ehnde about bat
01:22.37ehndety
01:22.37jordanmehnde: tasksel remove desktop
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01:23.06Debianneulingok other question
01:23.15sentientbabehi guys, the keyboard indicator applet for debian lenny is unfortunately a buggy piece of crap. can someone suggest an alternative method to cycle through different layouts?
01:23.19jordanmehnde: consider an updgrade-reports (unless it blew up because of udev)
01:23.52jhutchins_ltabrotman: Is there a web mail client you recommend over squirrelmail?
01:24.02jhutchins_ltabrotman: I've always used it because it seemed to be the most functional.
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01:24.21Debianneulingplease tell me the best cernel for my Hardware: 2x intel Xenon 5620 -- 12GB RAM -- G-Force460GTX -- 120GB ssd
01:24.28abrotmandepends on the functions you need .. if it's simple, roundcube, need more? horde/imp
01:24.36jordanmjhutchins_lt: I have always heard it has major issues with large mailboxes. heard lots of nice things about zimbra
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01:24.41abrotmanthough i should note that newer versions of roundcube are pretty darn good
01:25.04abrotmanjordanm: problem is it replaces standard distro packages .. like apache
01:25.17jordanmabrotman: zimbra?
01:25.21pcncxI need help with dhclient3
01:25.33abrotmanjordanm: last i knew
01:25.55abrotmanthough really, roundcube is pretty darn nice
01:26.05sentientbabehey -- so how would I set the usa international (altgr dead keys) layout as my layout with "setxkbmap"?
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01:26.11abrotmangiven it's pretty young .. it has a lot of features, and works really well
01:26.15sentientbabeI don't know what its name is.. how would I find out?
01:26.18pcncxabrotman a round cube has worn out corners toss it!
01:26.29abrotmananyway ...
01:26.38jhutchins_ltxenon's an amd64 isn't it?
01:26.47jhutchins_ltDebianneuling: Do you need 64b functions?
01:27.04abrotmanXeon .. not Xenon
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01:27.44Debianneulingjhutchins_lt: no i dont thik so
01:27.51pcncxjhutchins_lt if i had 64 bits I'd want to use them all
01:27.58abrotmanjhutchins_lt: some of the Xeons are amd64
01:28.22jhutchins_ltYou might start out with a standard 32b system and use the bigmem kernel then.
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01:29.16pcncxis 64 bit still dodgy compared to 32 bit?
01:29.16Debianneulingok i thik thats easyer
01:29.32Debianneulingthe CPU supports 64 bit
01:29.42sentientbabeany clue to my question? please? I'll suck cock for any bit of help
01:29.49jordanmpcncx: only with some non-free applications
01:29.51pcncxDebianneuling the question remains does the software support the CPU
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01:30.03abrotmanhe only has 2GB RAM .. he doesn't need bigmem
01:30.09pcncxjordanm so there are still some isolated issues?
01:30.24Debianneuling<---- 12GM Ram
01:30.29pcncxbigmem is what past 4 GB on 32 bit right?
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01:30.51abrotmanoh .. i thought it said 2GB above
01:31.09abrotmanso yes, either -bigmem or the -amd64 on i386
01:31.47Debianneulingok now i install the 32bit an testing the Bigmem ^^
01:31.52ehndehttp://paste.debian.net/96674/ having issues with udev and fglrx-glx-ia32
01:32.24Debianneulingthank you very much
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01:34.31abrotmanhe'll be back!
01:34.35jaggzjordanm, oocalc?  no.. some web-based collaborative one.. but simple.
01:34.48jhutchins_ltpcncx: 64's pretty much up to speed these days, even for desktops.  About the only thing that's dodgy is flash, which comes and goes.
01:35.05pcncxjhutchins_lt when flash goes I don't miss it
01:35.34pcncxall it is good for is ads
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01:36.48abrotmanjhutchins_lt: and other binary only apps .. i think skype is still missing too
01:36.54pcncxjhutchins_lt by 2032 we'll all have to run 64 bit or our clocks will break
01:37.10abrotmansounds good to me .. never be late for work again
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01:38.03pcncxI wonder if that is still true?
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01:38.49pcncxprobably no one will work on it until 2031
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01:42.17pcncxhere is a crock NetworkManager "Networking made easy"
01:43.21karstenpcncx: ... or we'll be using sundials.
01:43.24ehndei can't seem to get around these package installation issues with udev, can someone take a look at this?
01:43.28ehndehttp://paste.debian.net/96677/
01:44.55abrotman!tell ehnde about overwrite
01:45.44abrotmanas for the udev issue .. install the upgraded kernel, reboot, upgrade the rest of your packages
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01:46.02ehnde"This is *ALWAYS* a bug." lol...seems like a mess i created
01:46.08pcncxehnde yeah it looks pretty harsh to me
01:46.12ehndety abrotman i'll try this
01:48.12pcncxwell being as my network isn't automatically doing anything I guess i can safely get rid of this nonsense
01:50.00pcncxit is OK to get rid of NetworkManager right?
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01:58.59pcncxcan anyone here tell me how to disable NetworkManager?
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01:59.33abrotmandid you look in the config file ?
01:59.51pcncxabrotman I might have if I knew where it was
02:01.29jordanmpcncx: use sysv-rc-conf to disable
02:01.54pcncxjordanm do you mean like this? update-rc.d -f NetworkManager remove
02:01.55abrotmanpcncx: /etc/ ?
02:02.34pcncxabrotman I just googled it and someone there said to axe it with apt
02:02.38jordanmpcncx: no, that doesn't look like sysv-rc-conf
02:02.51jordanmpcncx: that will work, temporarily
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02:03.10pcncxjordanm it didn't do anything here
02:03.43pcncxI'll try to apt-get remove it
02:03.51jordanmpcncx: network-manager
02:03.55Marcelo|awayestá away.. [away desde 11:03] [t7DS: pager/on, logging/on]
02:04.09jordanminvoke-rc.d network-manager stop
02:04.23pcncxjordanm you know it'd almost be worth the 12MB of ram it is burning up if it actually worked for me
02:04.42jpinx-eeepcpcncx: try wicd maybe?
02:04.54pcncxjpinx-eeepc what is that?
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02:05.22jpinx-eeepc!wicd
02:05.22dpkgwell, wicd is Wireless Interface Connection Daemon, a wired and <wireless connection manager>.  A backported package is available for Lenny, ask me about <bdo>.  See also <netdev>.  http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wicd  http://wicd.sf.net/  #wicd on irc.freenode.net.
02:05.37pcncxjpinx-eeepc I don't have any wireless connections
02:05.42jpinx-eeepcpcncx: it'll do your cabled ethernet too
02:05.57pcncxjpinx-eeepc it will?
02:06.27pcncxI'm sort of geting used to running pump
02:07.02jpinx-eeepc4you can get used to banging your head on a wall, but that doesn't mean it's a good thing ;)
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02:08.10TagorHi, I'm trying to install FuzzyOCR with Spamassassin and get this error, can anyone explain what it means? save_execute: Insecure dependency in open while running with -T switch at /etc/mail/spamassassin/FuzzyOcr/Misc.pm line 92.
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02:13.41pcncxha ha it works!
02:13.58jpinx-eeepcpcncx: what dooes?
02:14.09pcncxjpinx-eeepc automatically connected to the network on boot
02:14.19pcncxno pumping involved
02:14.48pcncxthat nonsense tried to connectet me to a nonexistant wireless network
02:14.48jpinx-eeepccool :)
02:15.31pcncxas a parting shot when I apt-get removed it it bounced me offline
02:15.43pcncxso I rebooted came back and was connected
02:16.07jpinx-eeepcrevenge is sweet
02:16.20pcncxyeah but by tomorrow I'll have forgotten all about it
02:17.27jpinx-eeepcdon't worry - the way you're going you'll have a whole new set pf problems by tomorrow ;)
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02:17.57pcncxdo I really need all of thest gettys?
02:19.00abrotmanthe six consoles? no
02:19.25pcncxabrotman I'm not seeing much more i can chop out
02:19.40pcncxI'm down to 54 processes in X chatting
02:19.59abrotmanwho careS?
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02:20.13pcncxabrotman I do I don't have unlimited RAM on this machine
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02:20.35abrotmanwho has unlimited RAM ?
02:20.52pcncxabrotman just about everyone today compared to this box
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02:22.09abrotmanpcncx: less than 512MB?
02:22.25pcncxabrotman right at 512MB and it is maxed out
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02:23.14yebyenwhat all are you running?  i have full e17 desktop with only 335MB used after subtracting cache files
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02:23.38pcncx132208k used
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02:23.58abrotmanpcncx: if you type 'free -m' .. how much is cache ?
02:24.02abrotman!free ram
02:24.02dpkgUnlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free.  Free RAM is wasted RAM!  Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably.  Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it.  If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'.  Also ask me about <swapwake>.
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02:25.34pcncxabrotman well I do have plans of doing other things with this machine eventually
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02:48.25pcncxis it normal for a debian environment to be 3,732 lines long?
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03:05.57sweetpiscifiguy: adduser username video
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03:07.09sweetpiscifiguy: or usermod, like they said in the other channel you asked in
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04:02.55Deathspawnargh, i just spent like 3 hours waiting for this install and i forgot the root password. =/
04:04.46nkuttler!tell Deathspawn about i forgot root's password
04:05.47Deathspawnah thanks.
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06:02.57shaiHi :) If I already have an SSH tunnel open, and I now need to have a tunnel created, can I do this without closing the current connection? If yes, how?
06:06.09jpinx-ee1pcis it open with -X ?
06:06.23shaiYea
06:06.30shaiWhat I meant was, if I have an SSH session open, how can I now add a tunnel to that session without closing and reopening the session?
06:06.53shaiCan't close the cunrrent connection since I have an X application open on it... I just need another tunnel.
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07:00.14antivirtelhello all
07:00.14antivirtelI need some information about building a webserv with the lastest lenny(5.0.6). I use LVM, and I write the structure: 18,2GB HDD, LVM1: 1500MB for swap(I have 768MB RAM); LVM2: 3,1GB ext3  for /; LVM3: 15,3GB ext3 - for /home,/root,/var,/tmp; and before the LVM config, the expert install shows me the grub or lilo bootloader, after the partitioning, only LILO is available, why?
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07:01.34jpinx-eeepcantivirtel: please do not cross post
07:02.04antivirteljpinx-eeepc ok, I'm sorry
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07:03.06antivirteljpinx-eeepc but the 3,1GB for the system is enough?
07:03.22jpinx-eeepcprobably
07:03.40jpinx-eeepcunless you go crazy installing huge packages
07:03.47antivirtelxD
07:04.22antivirtelbut jpinx-eeepc have you got any info abut this lilo problem?
07:05.04jpinx-eeepcno - haven't used lilo since about 1992
07:06.50antivirtelI've never used it before debian install... I wanna use grub2...
07:07.03antivirtelbut thanks
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07:09.05jpinx-eeepcantivirtel: grub is the default when you install debian
07:09.18antivirtelthats true
07:09.26antivirtelbut when I use LVM partitioning
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07:10.00antivirtelthe grub isnt in the list(in expert install, normal install install lilo automatically)
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07:11.00psycho23Offtopic discussion!  It's about North American Holocaust-like in the near future.  http://tiny.cc/wrgkk is my forums topic and then #off-topic for discussion.
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07:12.29jpinx-eeepcantivirtel: sorry but i have nfc about lvm too :)
07:12.32jpinx-eeepc!lvm
07:12.33dpkg[lvm] the Linux Logical Volume Manager (http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/).  Resources: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/, http://dev.riseup.net/grimoire/storage/lvm2/, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>, <install using lvm>, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410, http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/wiki/  IRC: #lvm on irc.freenode.net.
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07:28.03lxsameerdo you know any GUI for iptables or any free firewall on linux?
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07:36.50sweetpi!info fwbuilder
07:37.20dpkgfwbuilder: (Firewall administration tool GUI), section net, is optional. Version: 4.1.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 6724 kB, Installed size: 16372 kB
07:37.34sweetpiused it a few years ago
07:38.18sweetpipretty nice, has support for installing to targets
07:38.30sweetpi*over ssh
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07:43.47sweetpilxsameer: by "GUI for iptables" did you mean to create/edit your firewall or monitor it?
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07:46.10lxsameersweetpi, hhmmmmm , both of them
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07:49.34sweetpilxsameer: not sure then(I avoid gui as much as possible), I guess sauvin's suggestion of firestarter. seems it has some form of monitoring
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08:15.45EmleyMoorAnyone around on here who can offer me insight into the "Resolving dependencies..." stage of an upgrade, particularly the bit before any solutions arre found??
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08:23.01GodIsntRealis there any way i can downgrade to debian 2.2 when it was stable and kde didnt suck
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08:26.14hmwI wonder, why Apache gets restarted after log rotation. I don't know how to do a web search on this question, so I hope you can give me a pointer
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08:26.59hmw...what for it gets restarted is the actual question.
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08:29.27Kamping_Kaiserhmw: probably so it stops writing to the logs
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08:29.41Kamping_Kaiserbut i'd be suprised if it needs a full restart
08:30.06hmwthere are several ways how to handle it. one doesn't need a full restart, so i read
08:30.08sweetpiit reloads, not restart
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08:30.25Kamping_Kaisersweetpi: ok, that makes sense
08:31.00hmwindeed, /etc/logrotate/apache2 uses "reload"
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08:34.34daniele_athomecould it be related to missing tg3 firmware?
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09:29.41antivirtelwhat is debian's default partition table? GPT?
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09:39.31daniele_athomeantivirtel, i guess DOS MBR
09:39.58daniele_athomeggrrr i'm going crazy with this kernel bug :S
09:40.45antivirteldaniele_athome because of compatibility ?
09:40.57daniele_athomeantivirtel, i guess so
09:41.09daniele_athomedos mbr is still the most used partition table in the world
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09:42.06antivirteldaniele_athome ok, thanks
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09:48.48ech0s7hi all
09:48.53ech0s7anyone that use wireshark can say me if it's possible to sniff the router traffic? not my pc traffic?
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09:49.52plugwashWhat is the reccomended tool for setting up printers under gnome these days?
09:50.11plugwash(debian squeeze system)
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09:51.40niklasweplugwash: gnome has an buildin tools for that, gnome-printer in the menu system if i remeber right, it´s a gui for cups
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09:52.29Guest66625I have problems with ssh RSA authentication. I have generated my keys on the host, put them in the authorized_keys on the server. But in auth.log I get: "Failed publickey for USER from IPADDRESS port PORT ssh2". What could be wrong?
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09:52.37niklasweplugwash: and other hand you can start cups, and surf to localhost:631
09:52.57plugwashNiklasww: if it does it doesn't seem to be installed and I remember some stuff on mailinglists about one tool being troublesome but I don't remember which one
09:54.10niklasweplugwash: i should  browse to localhost:631 it´s the esier way
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11:03.03cylinc1anyone has advice about the file folder encryption tools?
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11:03.52jpinx-eeepc!encryption
11:03.52dpkgEncryption is useful to keep data protected on your system.  There is a nice guide on how to use LVM encrypted partitions at http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/469 .  See also <dm-crypt>, <luks>, <gpg>.
11:04.06jpinx-eeepccylinc1: ↑↑↑
11:04.12cylinc1nice,thanks
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11:04.20jpinx-eeepc;)
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11:06.06Bushmillsthere is also encfs, sets up on fuse. simple to use.
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11:11.53Sanitoeterhi there. Is it possible to add additional mirrors for e.g. debian-multimedia to sources.list which are used only if the main server fails?
11:12.27jpinx-eeepcSanitoeter: check if that is not on a round-robin anyway
11:13.45SanitoeterI dont read anything about round robin on their site (do the official debian archives have one, btw?) :/
11:13.54Sanitoeterthey only list several mirrors
11:14.57IkarusSanitoeter: choosing a mirror actively is preferred
11:15.08IkarusSanitoeter: usually bandwidth closer by is alot cheaper
11:15.38Ikarusand location based DNS is unreliable, while anycast routing requires too much expensive infrastructure
11:15.41SanitoeterIkarus, I already use servers in my country, its just that they tend to be offline from time to time
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11:16.31IkarusSanitoeter: so use one from the next country on ? or ones you know the major uplinks for your country run past
11:16.54Ikarusno idea where you are from else I'd give some recommendations
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11:17.18Sanitoetergermany
11:17.37Sanitoeterbtw the ftp:// site of the site which I thought was down actually works
11:17.38IkarusSanitoeter: grab Dutch or English mirrors then
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11:18.25SanitoeterI'll try a dutch one, maybe their uptime is higher
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11:26.00Morten_Hi, what can I do when a ssh attempt just stops at "Last login...." and it doesn't go any further, and I want cancel the ssh attempt?
11:26.10Morten_ctrl+c doesn't do anything
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11:27.46jpinx-eeepcSanitoeter: try apt-spy for making your sources list
11:28.55Sanitoeterok, I'll give it a try
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11:30.23jpinx-eeepc!apt-spy
11:30.23dpkga secret!  Shh! 'Mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' Note that it will overwrite your sources.list when finished, so (1) cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak (2) apt-get install apt-spy (3) apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] (4) fix your sources.list by adding back in any other mirrors you had been using.
11:30.33jpinx-eeepcSanitoeter: ↑↑↑
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11:31.13Sanitoeteryup thanks, I am already reading the manpage :)
11:31.15jpinx-eeepcplease note that you are strongly advised to backup your existing sources.list before you run apt-spy
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11:32.01Sanitoeterhere it says apt-spy will backup my sources.list to sources.list.bak, but I'll backup it myself just to be sure
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11:32.28jpinx-eeepccool - didn't know that:)
11:33.27Sanitoeterokay lets see which server performs best
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11:38.43Sanitoeterheh okay the dutch server would have been a bad choise - its the slowest server so far
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11:40.39jpinx-eeepcSanitoeter:  yea . geography has little to do with it
11:40.56SanitoeterI see
11:44.09Sanitoeterok it finished - appearantly I am already using the fastest servers
11:45.26jpinx-eeepchow many alternates does it give you
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11:46.04Sanitoeterwhat do you mean? How many servers it placed in sources.list or how many it tested?
11:46.08jpinx-eeepcI am interested because I am highly mobile and really should run that from where-ever I want to do update/grades
11:47.11rhalffhi, I've made this custom usb stick which boots debian automatically, but what I want to do now is, make an unattended installation to the system from usb, are there any projects around doing this ? so I plug in my usb and it starts installing automatically
11:47.24jpinx-eeepcSanitoeter: both - and it worked faster than I had been led to believe ;)
11:47.31rhalffI would like to use the most minimalistic option, so not with a live cd or something
11:48.15rhalffthe reason is I have to install 60 machines and just want to plugin the sticks and have them automatically installed, the machines are all identical
11:48.41jpinx-eeepcrhalff: debootstrap comes to mind, but not sure how you would "push" an install like that.
11:49.18rhalffjpinx-eeepc: I will have the system allready configured, so I don't need debootstrap
11:49.42rhalffthe part that automatically just installs this to the system is the trickier part, although it doesn't seem very impossible
11:49.45jpinx-eeepcrhalff: then maybe dd
11:49.55Sanitoeterjpinx-eeepc, well, I cheated a bit, because I used -a Europe. It tried 38 servers within europe and placed only the fastest server (plus security.debian.org) in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/apt-spy.list (it did not modify my sources.list)
11:50.27jpinx-eeepcSanitoeter: cool - neat option - a worldwide search would probably take a while...
11:50.31Sanitoeterbtw, when you use apt-spy, be aware that it comments out your contrib and non-free
11:51.04rhalffjpinx-eeepc: hm ok I think I know how to do it, I'll just create a custom initrd that installs an image to the host system (with dd probably :-)
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11:51.39jpinx-eeepcSanitoeter: Oh - it's a bit of a prima-donna ;)
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11:51.53jpinx-eeepcrhalff: yea - that's what I meant with dd
11:52.06Sanitoeterjpinx-eeepc, I think a world-wide scan would have taken way longer, but why would you want that?
11:52.11Sanitoeterheh yes
11:52.41jpinx-eeepcSanitoeter: I probably wouldn't, but it depends on what areas are grouped
11:53.09jpinx-eeepcwhere I am now for example, would it be Asia or Australia
11:53.19Sanitoeterjpinx-eeepc, you can specify the continents only I think, plus Oceania
11:53.31SanitoeterI think thailand would be asia :)
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11:54.13Sanitoeterbut maybe even -a Asia,Australia is possible, or -a Asia,Oceania
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11:55.05echosystmif i start using squeeze now, is it likely things will break on upgrades?
11:55.13echosystmor are we only talking minor package changes
11:55.18rhalffother question, would it be possible to reinstall a windows 7 bootloader from linux ? I've only found a sollution to fix the mbr with a windows 7 setup cd ? what part would I need to save to automatically remove grub or whatever and reinstall the windows 7 bootloader ? I just have to save the MBR that windows 7 put there and put it back when I want the system to be restored ?
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11:55.57jpinx-eeepcechosystm: you will have no security updates
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11:58.00jpinx-eeepcSanitoeter: good stuff - glad it worked for you - I'll give it a whizz too :)
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12:22.01valdynrhalff: the windows boot loader system is an entire partition with a few dozen mb size, I doubt you can construct that from linux unless you backed it up first
12:22.27valdyns/windows/win 7/
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12:23.52Sanitoeterjpinx-eeepc, I just noticed apt parses /etc/apt/sources.list.d/apt-spy.list as well
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12:25.22jpinxSanitoeter: not quite sure what you mean..?
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12:26.23pablo_hi, is there any command to show installed packages which are not dependencies, i mean which are in the top
12:26.41valdynrhalff: but.. you can write an mbr from linux, thats just a dos mbr, same as windows uses, not to confuse with the windows boot loader
12:27.27Sanitoeterafter running apt-spy I said it did not alter my sources.list but created a /etc/apt/sources.list.d/apt-spy.list instead. Now I noticed apt parses this file too, so you have to edit your sources.list manually in order to not have double repositories in apt
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12:28.34rhalffvaldyn: backup is no problem offcourse, I would just like to create an installer to install debian, and automatically uninstall it again and the windows bootloader again. I'm also wondering if I can just backup one mbr, and put it back on 60 similair machines, backing up 60 and put the right one back would be more problematic :-)
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12:28.41Sanitoeterbecause I had ftp.de.debian.org and security.debian.org in both sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/apt-spy.list
12:28.50valdynrhalff: youre confused about that boot loader
12:28.59valdynrhalff: you never remove it, you just overwrite the mbr
12:29.13valdynrhalff: http://www.arsgeek.com/2008/01/15/how-to-fix-your-windows-mbr-with-an-ubuntu-livecd/
12:29.34senorpedrohi
12:29.49senorpedrohow can i upgrade debian 5.0 to sid?
12:29.54valdynrhalff: that means grub and the windows boot loader dont get touched *except* for the mbr
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12:30.48rhalffvaldyn: ah great, hope it works for windows 7 als, leaves me wondering why the install cd's don't provide that option by default
12:31.22valdynrhalff: which install cd?
12:31.23ksx4systemsenorpedro: change repos to sid's ones, do apt-get update and then apt-get dist-upgrade afair
12:31.39jpinx-eeepcsenorpedro: if you have to ask how - don't
12:31.55valdynrhalff: should debian provide an option to irrevocably ( for a beginner ) destroy the debian install?
12:32.01ksx4systemjpinx-eeepc: indeed
12:32.01senorpedroksx4system, you mean just replace lenny with sid in sources list or what?
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12:32.09valdynrhalff: it already gives you grub, which gets a windows boot entry automagically
12:32.14jpinx-eeepcsenorpedro: please don't
12:32.16rhalffvaldyn: well maybe not, ubuntu should I think
12:32.16senorpedrojpinx-eeepc, why? that makes no sence
12:32.23senorpedrojpinx-eeepc, stfu
12:32.43jpinx-eeepcsenorpedro: why do you need sid?
12:33.23rhalffvaldyn: anyway thanks, seems very trivial now.
12:33.33ksx4systemsenorpedro: jpinx-eeepc is right, lenny to sid upgrade IS NOT a good idea if you don't really know what you're doing.
12:33.46jpinx-eeepc!ops senorpedro abusive and probably trolling
12:33.47dpkgHydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: jpinx-eeepc complains about: senorpedro abusive and probably trolling
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12:34.28valdynsenorpedro: theres no easy answer
12:34.50jpinx-eeepc!weekend
12:34.50dpkgweekend is probably the time you can actually code without feeling remorses :)
12:34.58valdyn!sunday
12:34.58dpkgSunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane.
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12:35.07valdyn!sing sunday
12:35.07dpkgEveryday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play...
12:35.10jpinx-eeepcvaldyn: ah - yea - that's the one
12:35.18metalfooUhm, its saturday though
12:35.19senorpedrovaldyn, you mean there is no easy way to upgrade from 5.0 to sid?
12:35.20stream_senorpedro, try pinning packages to the version you need its safer and lets you get latest descktop goodies http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html
12:35.34KaffeeJunky123metalfoo: they live in the future
12:35.43valdynsenorpedro: yea, it breaks unpredictably, we cannot anticipate this
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12:36.14senorpedrook, so whats the easiest way to upgrade to testing then?
12:36.28jpinx-eeepchopes that stream_ will be here to help senorpedro out of his mess
12:36.31valdyn!upgrade
12:36.32dpkgupgrade is probably what keeps your box from getting r00ted, or what you do with apt-get.  Do an apt-get update first, and then an apt-get upgrade.  Ask me about <security>.  If you upgrade to a new stable version, read the release notes first.  Ask me about <etch->lenny> <lenny->squeeze>.
12:36.59valdynsenorpedro: so ask dpkg about lenny->squeeze like it told you
12:37.12senorpedro!lenny->squeeze
12:37.19senorpedro!squeeze
12:37.19dpkgSqueeze is the codename for the next release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.  It is the three-eyed space alien.  Ask me about <wwsr> for recent updates and see also <testing> <squeeze udev> <squeeze kernel> <lenny->squeeze> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze .  The Debian release is not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager.
12:37.20pablo_hi, is there any command to show installed packages which are not dependencies, i mean which are in the top
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12:37.24jpinx-eeepcsenorpedro: you deserve no help at all here
12:37.38senorpedrojpinx-eeepc, you deserve no life
12:37.39valdynsenorpedro: doesnt work: "dpkg: lenny->squeeze" works, but you should use /msg
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12:37.47senorpedrodpkg: lenny->squeeze
12:37.47dpkgWARNING: upgrade your kernel prior to the rest of the packages.  Remove any APT source specific to stable (volatile, backports), then change lenny to squeeze in the sources.list.  aptitude update && aptitude install linux-image-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` ; reboot into 2.6.32 kernel; aptitude full-upgrade.  If full-upgrade fails, try "apt-get dist-upgrade".  See <squeeze release notes>, <squeeze udev>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>.
12:38.21icebrainsenorpedro: /msg dpkg TOPIC
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12:41.38jpinx-eeepcnotes the IP
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12:42.54g00se_Which installer do i need for installing on Intel 64 - ia64?
12:42.56deepyWhat's a good and lightweight torrentclient?
12:43.04deepythat's not written in javva
12:43.36valdyng00se_: if you have to ask then its most likely amd64
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12:43.52valdyn!ia64
12:43.53dpkg[ia64] (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2.  The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC.  See http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's <amd64>.
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12:45.16g00se_valdyn: To remove all doubt, it's one of these jobs: http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=36697
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12:46.53valdyng00se_: its Intel 64, thats amd64
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12:48.11KaffeeJunky123I have a strange bug with layout switching keys, in debian lenny
12:48.25KaffeeJunky123only certain layout switching keys work
12:48.35KaffeeJunky123some work only in one direction
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12:48.55KaffeeJunky123if I set both alt keys to switch layout, they'll only switch back to the default layout
12:49.14KaffeeJunky123while strg+alt works in both directions
12:50.02KaffeeJunky123any ideas what could be the problem?
12:50.12g00se_valdyn: Thanks. Then i should get http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.6/amd64/iso-cd/debian-506-amd64-businesscard.iso
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12:55.30icebraindeepy: rtorrent
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13:06.37galumphDoes packages.qa keep the latest versions apt and dpkg, or are they hosted someplace else?
13:07.12bzedgalumph: your question does not make much sense
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13:07.28bzedgalumph: what do you want to do?
13:07.41galumphI'm looking for the source of both dpkg and apt
13:07.58galumphis packages.qa.debian.org the place to look for them?
13:08.01themillgalumph: there are git anf bzr repos for them linked from that page.
13:08.18galumpheg, here: http://packages.qa.debian.org/a/apt.html
13:08.34galumphThis is the latest version, am i right?
13:08.44bzedgalumph: look at the VCS links on that page
13:08.55g00se_thanks all
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13:09.22galumphOk, thanks
13:09.30galumphnow to compile them
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13:09.44bzedgalumph: why would you want to do that?
13:10.16bzedgalumph: I'm sure you want to do something which is not solvable by what you're doing now
13:10.38themillcan't see this working out well
13:11.27bzedneither
13:11.51bzedgalumph: so what do you want to do?
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13:17.20jpinx-eeepcI have ssh -Xt into my phone, installed a chroot of squeeze there, installed links2, set X-forwarding to "yes" in both the phones native OS (maemo) and in the chroot, but the display of links2 -g google.com still comes up in the phone, not the laptop - any ideas anyone?
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13:26.30deepyjpinx-eeepc: whatdoes printenv DISPLAY say?
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13:27.10jpinx-eeepcdeepy: in which? the laptop or te phone?
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13:27.47hmwI am having an issue with PHP and header() - my header calls seem to be ignored. Is there something special in Debian's PHP setup?
13:27.51jpinx-eeepcdeepy: root@Nokia-N900:~# printenv DISPLAY
13:27.52jpinx-eeepc:0.0
13:28.34jpinx-eeepcdeepy: jpinx@chroot-N900:/# echo $DISPLAY
13:28.34jpinx-eeepc:0.0
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13:29.22deepyand if you change it to yourhost:0, does it still appear on the wrong screen?
13:29.30k-manhow do i change gnome so it does nothing when i insert a dvd, rather than launch totem?
13:29.57jpinx-eeepcdeepy: where do I change/edit that?
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13:30.37deepyDISPLAY=blah
13:30.39deepyexport display
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13:31.35jpinx-eeepcdeepy: and what is "yourhost" ? the IP of the laptop or the phone?
13:31.50deepythe laptop
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13:33.15hmwmy 404 won't appear in headers_list() - http://pastebin.com/iwRXVK4M - Output buffering is OFF
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13:35.31deepyWhen I log in with ssh -Xt I get a display of :10.0
13:35.37deepyso that might be more worth trying out
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13:36.30noodles900deepy ok
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13:41.14jpinx-eeepcdeepy: did that - now I get Can't open display "10.0"
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13:41.45deepyand the previous one did not work either?
13:42.12jpinx-eeepcthe previous setting popped the display up on the phone
13:42.25jpinx-eeepcnow it fails completely
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13:42.42Rayneis it possible to observe a program to check if it terminates or crashes? and how?
13:42.47deepysetting it back to :0.0 should put things back to normal
13:43.23deepyRayne: check the return code?
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13:44.02jpinx-eeepcdeepy: yep - back to square one now ;)
13:44.34jpinx-eeepcdeepy: fwiw you need to add the colon to that command DISPLAY=:foo.bar
13:44.35Raynedeepy, how can i differ if a file crashed or terminates with an error code?
13:44.40Raynes/file/program
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13:45.02deepyRayne: if you're using bash, the return code is in $?
13:45.34Raynedeepy, i know, but the "crash code" is a normal exit code, too (or i am wrong?)
13:46.02deepyTIAS
13:46.02Raynefor instance the kernel killed a program
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13:47.31Raynedeepy, tias?
13:47.40deepytry it and see
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13:59.14flo|linuxhi
13:59.32flo|linuxi have a problem setting up my synaptics touchpad.
13:59.46flo|linuxi added the following to my xorg.conf and restarted X:
14:00.09flo|linuxsection "InputDevice", Identifier "tp", Driver "synaptics", Option "SHMConfig" "on"
14:00.38flo|linuxnow i am able to scroll with the edge of my TP. however synclient always complains that SHMConfig is disabled.
14:00.45flo|linuxwhat's the problem there?
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14:00.54kristian-aalborghi all
14:00.57flo|linuxdo i need a full system restart, or am i doing something wrong?
14:01.23kristian-aalborgdoing my first install, putting debian on a very old laptop
14:01.47kristian-aalborgshould I say "yes" to both "standard system" and "laptop"?
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14:05.51flo|linuxkristian-aalborg, depends.
14:06.28flo|linuxkristian-aalborg, if you have enough disk space, i assume it's the best to say yes. if not, try installing a pretty minimal system and apt-get everything you really need by hand
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14:08.32kristian-aalborgflo|linux: I went for both
14:08.54flo|linuxbtw, which laptop ;)?
14:08.57flo|linuxand how old is it?
14:09.11kristian-aalborg'97!
14:09.17kristian-aalborga Thinkpad 770
14:09.17flo|linuxis it "old" like "old" or like "stoneage"?
14:09.22flo|linuxoh. stoneage ;) nice.
14:09.42flo|linuxand a thinkpad... even more nice ;)
14:09.47kristian-aalborgare you experienced with installing debian on such boxen?
14:11.40flo|linuxno, i only have one such machine, and that's running msdos ;)
14:12.00kristian-aalborgflo|linux: give puppy a try
14:12.38flo|linuxno, i have some fancy dos programs, and i don't assume that machine can run a dosbox ;)
14:12.59kristian-aalborgyou are probably right
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14:13.00flo|linuxalso, i'm needing native access to the OPL2 ;)
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14:13.22flo|linuxeven a 3,4GHz machine cannot emulate that thing completely correctly ^^
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14:13.30kristian-aalborgwe have a DOS machine at work to gain access to some old machinery.... not that rare
14:14.43kristian-aalborgbut you'd be amazed at how fast it can run with puppy
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14:15.51monkey_d_luffyI'm having trouble reading atop log files. I can see the log with:   atop -r atop.log      But how do I advance forward in time?
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14:35.27tzikuhello, is any posibility to put: "ifconfig eth0 hw ether 00:18:F3:7F:90:E1" and "ifconfig eth0:1 hw ether 00:CC:AA:7C:7A:77" ? When i try is remaning last hw mac. How can i put 2 macs on my eth ?
14:35.52metalfooYou can't
14:36.14tzikui need to use 2 eth ?
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14:36.17metalfooThere is a single MAC for all your (virtual/sub) interfaces.
14:36.29metalfooIf you do care about the MAC: Yes.
14:36.44tzikuok, thanks for answer
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14:39.30nobarkinghello
14:39.47nobarkingi had a question about setting up Mumble on debian
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14:40.30deepyit worked out of the box for me
14:41.19nobarkingdeepy: really, does it come with encryption out of the box too?
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14:42.12deepyTry it and see, I accidently killed X and I can't tell you anything about it until the repairs are done
14:43.14nobarkingdeepy: np, thanks for the info
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14:45.08deepyand I think it does
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15:07.06kristian-aalborghow do I make CLI guess more, so to say
15:07.08kristian-aalborg?
15:07.18kristian-aalborgI need it to finish my sentences when I press tab
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15:08.30asgkristian-aalborg: if you are using bash as your shell, look at bash autocomplete
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15:09.46asgkristian-aalborg: see the bash-completion package
15:10.10kristian-aalborgthanks
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15:11.38kristian-aalborghow is it that I refresh the system?
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15:13.52qq-kristian-aalborg, may reformulate last question , please
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15:15.03kristian-aalborgyes
15:15.10galumphso the dependencies here are all I need to build apt, yes? http://packages.debian.org/source/squeeze/apt
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15:15.41kristian-aalborgwhen you've installed something, and you want the system to recognise it... re-read the configuration files
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15:17.45RedNifreI want to set up a tiny server that only runs one application that will be used by 3 people and once it's set up I don't want to be bothered by it. Is debian a good choice in this case?
15:17.51qq-kristian-aalborg, usually  is done automatic, which program exactly ?
15:18.10metalfooRedNifre: The best choice is the distribution you feel comfortable with
15:18.31RedNifremetalfoo: I haven't checked many distributions. Which one would you be comfortable with?
15:18.37kristian-aalborgqq-: the bash-completion package
15:18.39metalfooTastes are different.
15:18.42RedNifreI never ever set up a server.
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15:19.37RedNifreSo, how is Debian as a server? Does it need attention? Do I have to install updates? I'm just looking for something that works and doesn't need much maintenance.
15:19.45qq-kristian-aalborg, try log out/log in
15:19.47metalfooYou can suppose I like Debian, as I'm here. Nevertheless that hasn't to hold for you too. Generally Debian is quite good, but again: You could also be satisfied by others.
15:19.51thewanderer1once again I plugged in an mp3 player and I got: usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning
15:19.54thewanderer1and it never settles
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15:20.01metalfooAnd yes: A server needs attention, especially if its connected to the Internet.
15:20.22kristian-aalborgqq-: will do that...
15:20.25metalfooThough Debian minimizes the effort quite a lot.
15:20.50RedNifreDoes Debian server come with a GUI? I want to put it on an old laptop.
15:21.01metalfooThere is no "Debian Server"
15:21.16metalfooDebian is Debian, you may install whatever you want, including a GUI
15:21.29RedNifreOh, sorry. I only used Ubuntu so far and they release separate versions for desktop and server. So I just install regular debian?
15:21.35metalfooYes.
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15:22.08RedNifreAnd it won't do annoying things like automatically installing updates that require restarts? It will just work indefinitely?
15:22.21metalfooThe difference between Ubuntu Server and Desktop is pure virtuall too. They are different only in what they install by default and how they are installed
15:22.41metalfooThat's not annoying, that's a REAL good idea
15:22.58metalfooNevertheless Debian won't do it automatically unless you instruct it to do
15:23.15RedNifre...if it happens at 5am in the morning it's ok. It's not nice if you are connected to it and it just turns off.
15:23.19olegpeople, anybody had luck running vnc servers with xkb extension enabled?
15:23.23metalfooUnlike Ubuntu, you still have to think on your own with Debian
15:23.48RedNifreWell, I just want to run one app for 3 people in a LAN. If it works, I don't see the point in installing updates.
15:24.02metalfooWhat do you think are updates dor?
15:24.03metalfoofor
15:24.25RedNifreAdding functionality, and fixing problems?
15:24.38RedNifreNo?
15:24.40metalfooNope. Only fixing problems and security enhancements (i.e. security flaws)
15:25.06metalfooNew functionality comes to Debian _only_ by upgrade (same holds for Ubuntu)
15:25.23metalfooWell, at least unless you use Debian unstable/sid
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15:25.28olegpeople, anyone here ran Xvfb with x11vnc?
15:25.37RedNifreOkay. So, I guess a reasonable idea would be to have it install updates once a week at night?
15:25.38KaffeeJunky123same goes for almost all productive distributions
15:26.02metalfooRedNifre: For example, yes. Debian won't bother you by default though, as Ubuntu does.
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15:26.21RedNifreOk, I will look into this. Thank you for you help!
15:26.58olegI had only a partial success running kde 3.5.10 with xkb extension enabled on Debian
15:27.16olegso, now I wiped out Debian from my server and installed ubuntu
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15:27.33olegthough it probably has nothing to do with xkb extension's functionality :)
15:28.03olegnow installing kubuntu-desktop. let's see if I'll have more luck with kde 4.5.1
15:28.15metalfooWhy do you reinstall for that?
15:28.48olegby the way, I still don't know how to upgrade to the latest packages on Debian-based OSes.
15:29.06metalfooLike Ubuntu: apt-get or aptitude
15:29.13olegOn gentoo, I would simply do emerge --sync for that and then unmask the latest packages and install them
15:29.52thewanderer1why won't Linux finish device scan of my mp3 player?
15:30.01olegfor example, I still don't know how to upgrade to kde 4.5.2 on ubuntu
15:30.13metalfoooleg: As I said minutes ago the RedNifre, Debian has a strict "no update" policy for their stable editions. Thus you won't get any update that doesn't fix a problem, and even then the fix will be backported.
15:30.20olegI mean, I added the website for ppa in sources.list, but still no luck
15:30.51metalfooThat's the reason you still have KDE 3.5 in Lenny for example.
15:31.05metalfooBut again, same holds for Ubuntu.
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15:31.33vinegarcan anyone recommend a free onlineshop php application?
15:31.41olegThey should make the process of ugrading to the latest packages as easy as the gentoo method for it
15:31.52qq-oleg, ask #ubuntu etc..
15:32.03metalfoooleg: It is. Even easier as that. Just not with stable ;)
15:32.13olegAs I said, on gentoo, you would simply do emerge --sync and then you could unmask any soft masked and hard masked packages
15:32.42thewanderer1so HAL is making my mp3 player unusable, it seems
15:32.47metalfooCome on, you are referring to problems but you didn't read the docs. You can have exactly the same for Debian if you insist on running sid for example
15:32.59thewanderer1does anyone know how exactly HAL interacts with the kernel when it comes to USB device scanning?
15:33.23metalfoovinegar: You are off topic here, perhaps you may look for xtcommerce though
15:34.12metalfooOr is the open source edition still called oscommerce? Whatever, ...
15:34.19Wyzardoleg: Gentoo is a "rolling-release" distro and doesn't have stable releases; you can't really compare it to conventional stable releases from a distro like Debian or RedHat
15:34.45metalfooExactly. Yet there is Debian Sid.
15:34.47KaffeeJunky123gentoo is a pain to maintain
15:34.51Wyzardoleg: Debian's "testing" and "unstable" branches are closer to the way updates work in Gentoo
15:35.21vinegarmetalfoo, thank you. I indeed need your hint.
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15:38.30qq-oleg, in debian is easier  : "aptitude upgrade"   is enough  on testing/unstable .. but is off topic here
15:38.36doublehphow do i know the version of installed package ?
15:38.58KaffeeJunky123doublehp: aptitude knows
15:39.04metalfoodpkg too
15:39.04dpkgbugger all, i dunno, metalfoo
15:39.12KaffeeJunky123true
15:39.24KaffeeJunky123dpkg: don't lie
15:39.24metalfooWell, dpkg as program, not the bot :p
15:39.24dpkgKaffeeJunky123: I don't know, could you explain it?
15:39.29KaffeeJunky123Haha
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15:58.19olegyes! a total success using different keyboard layouts on kde 4.5.1
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15:59.10juhajIs there a way to get rid of a process which is in uninterruptible sleep? It is "ls" doing stat() on a directory, which was a fuse mount, but the mount had died, so ls is stuck in D. I would not mind that otherwise, but going to S3 is not possible with a D process
15:59.15olegI guess this is because ubuntu maverick has packages that are more up to date than debian lenny's
15:59.34olegfor example, lenny's x11vnc can't support xkb extension
15:59.38juhajoleg: KDE4.5 on Debian?
15:59.42olegno
15:59.48olegon ubuntu maverick
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16:03.35jhutchins_lt,versions spamassassin
16:03.37juddPackage spamassassin on i386 -- etch: 3.1.7-2etch1; etch-volatile: 3.2.3-0.volatile1; etch-backports: 3.2.5-2~bpo40+1; lenny-volatile: 3.2.5-2+lenny1.1~volatile1; lenny: 3.2.5-2+lenny2; lenny-backports: 3.3.1-1~bpo50+1; sid: 3.3.1-1; squeeze: 3.3.1-1
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16:06.36jhutchins_lt,versions apache2
16:06.39juddPackage apache2 on i386 -- etch: 2.2.3-4+etch11; etch-security: 2.2.3-4+etch11; lenny-security: 2.2.9-10+lenny7; lenny: 2.2.9-10+lenny8; sid: 2.2.16-3; squeeze: 2.2.16-3
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16:13.43CutMeOwnThroatjuhaj, not really... that's why it's uninterruptable :-P
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16:16.23olegpeople, tightvnc server sucks and x11vnc server is better
16:16.24CutMeOwnThroathm, you could try a lazy unmount on the sshfs...
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16:17.46juhajCutMeOwnThroat: I know it is uninterruptible, but I was mainly wondering if there is some kernel quirk which could interrupt it from kernel space
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16:18.29CutMeOwnThroathm
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16:19.53CutMeOwnThroatnot sure
16:19.57CutMeOwnThroat!sysrq
16:19.57dpkghmm... sysrq is Alt-PrintScreen-[Key].  For a clean reboot with a semi-locked machine, try [Key] with s-u-b, s for sync, u for remount readonly and b for reBoot.  See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key and http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sysrq.txt .  See also <sysrqd>.
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16:20.52CutMeOwnThroatnever used that myself...
16:21.16CutMeOwnThroatdoesn't sound too useful
16:22.07CutMeOwnThroatI always thought there was some function to kill single processes, too
16:22.17CutMeOwnThroatbut don't see it in the documentation
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16:22.28CutMeOwnThroatwondered if that can end processes that don't get regular signals
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16:22.57jhutchins_ltCutMeOwnThroat: kill?
16:23.35CutMeOwnThroatwe had it of those unkillable buggers that wait around for an event
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16:33.29jhutchins_ltYeah, I've rebooted to get rid of stuff that hung on a lost net mount.
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16:37.32prizmcan't wait for Debian 6
16:39.01prizmi hope intel drivers improved, getting funky colours in squeeze
16:39.08prizm*colours in lenny
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16:41.59qwdprizm: I'm using Intel graphics on Squeeze without problems. Then again I didn't have problems in Lenny either.
16:42.12qwdWait, I mean Etch
16:42.17prizmyeah
16:42.28prizmI tried out Lenny on a P4, intel graphics are a bit funky
16:42.34prizmeverything tinted orange
16:42.40prizmother distros work fine
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16:42.54qwdSure it wasn't Ubuntu?
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16:43.20prizmno debian
16:43.37prizmit was the onboard Intel Extreme Graphics 845Gsomething
16:43.53qwdit was a joke :)
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16:44.44qwdAnyway, I doubt you'll have any problems with Intel on Squeeze
16:44.45prizmi can't detect sarcasm over the net ;)
16:44.56Bopcan i have one default gateway for each ethx , connected to different ISP ?
16:45.02metalfooWith the sarcasm detector 2.0?
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16:46.37prizmno, libsarcasm and libsarcasm-curl is out of date in lenny
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16:47.22prizmI nhave to wait until squeeze, but that's slightly old since the freeze
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16:48.10metalfooAh, you may install libsarcasm as backport though. This also brings support for libsarcasm-ip6.
16:48.10prizmlenny has libsarcasm* 0.11, squeeze has 0.20, and the latest is 0.29
16:48.22prizmoh right, backports
16:48.29prizmbut that's somewhat in the middle
16:48.43metalfooYeah. No one needs sarcasm anyway.
16:48.51prizmseveral depedencys that can't be resolved in lenny because squeeze has the minimum ammount of needed components
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16:49.39prizmso yeah, have to wait till squeeze until a modern libsarcasm appears
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16:50.09prizmI could compile from source, but the matter of dependencies that are too old on lenny though...
16:50.29prizmmaybe I'll compile from source on squeeze
16:50.39skinderwill debian-rolling become real?
16:51.12f8lskinder: You mean CUT?
16:51.22jordanm!cut
16:51.38metalfooYeah, especially since you would still have to install liblangheuristic-dev first, as libsarcasm HEAD relies on >= 0.1337
16:51.49skinderf8l, yes
16:52.37prizmand then linhumanvoice-recognition-plugins only has the needed tone plugin on squeeze
16:52.59skinderdebian is stable as, sorry, mammoth's shit. but it has too good and big repos ;_;
16:53.10f8lskinder: http://cut.debian.net/ Seems not to exist yet...
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16:53.18metalfooYeah, you should definitively avoid using sarcasm until Squeeze comes out. It will save you a lot of trouble.
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16:54.09fipuHi @ all
16:54.27fipuHow can I execute a single command automatically at startup?
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16:54.52qq-use /etc/rc.local
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16:56.06jordanmdondelelcaro: now that there might be a "cut" branch, I think it might be worth removing the bot "cut" command so it can be used for the factoid
16:56.44jpinx-eeepcssh over X - $DISPLAY is giving me a headache - from a chroot of squeeze on a remote device (phone) to my lenny laptop. The phones $DISPLAY is localhost:10.0 and it forwards, but I can not get the chroot to forward. Tried all combinations of hostname, IP adress, etc. Anyone any ideas?
16:57.14valdynjpinx-eeepc: does that $HOME match?
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16:57.39jpinx-eeepcvaldyn: between chroot and remote?
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16:58.17valdynjpinx-eeepc: hmm, I didnt see that youre talking about X on the phone
16:58.37valdynjpinx-eeepc: still needs to access .xauthority though
16:59.01jpinx-eeepcvaldyn: xauth is installed in all three
16:59.32jpinx-eeepcvaldyn: and ssh_config has x-forwarding enabled in all
16:59.48jpinx-eeepcssh restarted everywhere too
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17:01.06valdynjpinx-eeepc: the chroot needs to contain your $HOME with the .Xauth* stuff
17:02.31valdynjpinx-eeepc: or i think you cannot even start an X app from inside the chroot when you're on the phone if $HOME doesnt match
17:02.46mederanyone know of some repository with up to date .debs for say, the latest nginx?
17:03.07mederbackports only has 0.7.x and i need 0.8.x
17:03.11jpinx-eeepcvaldyn: ok - so I have to match $HOME in the chroot to that in the phone?
17:03.14medersid + lenny
17:03.23valdynjpinx-eeepc: yea
17:03.29valdynjpinx-eeepc: thats one secure way anyway
17:03.34jpinx-eeepcvaldyn: ok - tks - moment
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17:04.40valdynjpinx-eeepc: i usually bind mount /home for that, but you can hardlink too, or mount straight
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17:05.09mederjpinx-eeepc: it says to check in debian-backports. then enable debian backports again?
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17:06.04sxpHi, I have installed Lenny but my wi-fi card doesn't work. The card works fine.
17:06.07jpinx-eeepcvaldyn: yea - I gotcha now thanks - I'll work out a way to go it :)
17:06.24jpinx-eeepcsxp: what kind of card?
17:06.43sxpI have installed the laptop packets, and the wireless-tools
17:06.53jordanmsxp: what card? lscpi -nn
17:07.04sxp01:09.0 Network controller: RaLink Device 0701
17:07.25sxpAlso I have installed the firmware-ralink packet
17:07.43sxpand now that is the output of lspci
17:07.45kristian-aalborghi all
17:07.51jordanmsxp: you forgot the -nn option
17:07.56sxp01:09.0 Network controller [0280]: RaLink Device [1814:0701]
17:08.01sxpok ok
17:08.09jordanm,pciid 1814:0701
17:08.11judd[1814:0701] is 'RT2760 Wireless 802.11n 1T/2R Cardbus' from 'RaLink' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'rt2860sta' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1814:0701 http://wiki.debian.org/rt2860sta
17:08.11kristian-aalborgI get the "wrong chip version 16" on startup
17:08.21jordanm!rt2860
17:08.21dpkgrt2860sta is the vendor driver for Ralink 802.11n PCI (RT2760, RT2790, RT2860, RT2890, RT3090, RT3091, RT3092) wireless LAN devices, included as a staging driver (amd64, i386 only) in Debian 2.6.32 kernel images.  Firmware is required, ask me about <ralink firmware> to provide.  http://wiki.debian.org/rt2860sta
17:08.24jpinx-eeepcAA
17:08.27kristian-aalborgI think this is about infrared, which I might as well disable
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17:08.38jordanmsxp: you need the kernel from lenny-backports. see the wiki page
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17:09.52niftyjordanm: I think rt2x00 suports this card
17:09.52leumaSI'm on Debian testing. just changed from a 7600GT to a GTX460 but it seems I can't get vdpau going... in mplayer I get the "Error when calling vdp_device_create_x11: 25". anyone have advice on where to look for a solution?  and yes I have tried Google but none of the solutions I've found seems to apply to me.
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17:10.02juhajCutMeOwnThroat, jhutchins_lt: I do not want to reboot and sysrq does not seem capable of getting me rid of those. Otherwise, alt-sysrq-u-s-b os a perfect way to reboot a hung machine. The only cases I have not been able to reboot a hung machine with that has been some intel display driver hangups.
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17:10.30juhajUsually there is also no data loss thanks to u and s
17:10.36sxpjordanm: ok I will try, thanks and sorry for my English!
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17:11.37niftysxp: try installing compat-wireless
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17:12.46jelly-homejuhaj: er, Sync then Umount then Boot; s-u-b not u-s-b
17:12.53jordanmnifty: why wouldn't he follow the debian documentation?
17:14.02niftyjordanm: because fiddling with an entire kernel for one lousy /supported/ card seems excessive to me.
17:14.17niftyand whats wrong with compat-wireless?
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17:14.38jordanmits upstream stuff that is not supported here
17:14.48sxpnifty, no results
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17:15.11niftyjordanm: its harmless, you know
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17:15.22niftysxp: meaning?
17:15.28jordanmnifty: so is the backports kernel
17:15.28sxpShould I add something to my sources.list?
17:15.46jordanmsxp: yes, add bdo sources
17:15.51jordanm!bdo sources
17:15.56fipuqq-: ok, thanks, I try it
17:15.57niftysxp: google compat-wireless
17:16.00jordanm!bdo
17:16.00dpkgbackports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers.  Read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use.  See also <bdo key> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo kernel> <bdo users> <bdo pinning> <volatile>.  http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100905
17:16.20sxpok!
17:16.21niftyjordanm: true, but overly complicated imho
17:16.38jordanmnifty: and compiling code from source is not?
17:16.39sxpbut you know? I'm sure this card have worked well with less steps
17:16.51sxpbut I'm not sure if that happend with Lenny or Etch
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17:17.10sxpin Ubuntu the card is recognized instantanely
17:17.26niftycompat-wireless does not interfere with the default's kernel operation
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17:17.47jordanmsxp: ubuntu has a newer kernel by default and doesn't remove the non-free firmware
17:18.06jordanmthere is a backports installer that provides the same of debian otb
17:19.13sxpok now I added this in my sources.list
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17:20.07hjbhi. my aptitude updates refuses to work
17:20.10sxpthe same result when I try apt-get install compat-wireless
17:20.31hjbit stalls at Hole:6 http://ftp.de.debian.org sid/non-free i386 Packages [120kB]
17:20.33hjb99% [1 Translation-en bzip2 0]
17:20.43hjbany idea?
17:20.50jordanmsxp: aptitude update; aptitude install linux-image-2.6-$(dpkg --print-architecture)
17:21.09jordanmsxp: compat-wireless is not available in debian, thus why I was argueing with nifty
17:21.28jordanmsxp: err sorry
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17:21.39jordanmsxp: aptitude update; aptitude -t lenny-backports install linux-image-2.6-$(dpkg --print-architecture)
17:21.50niftyhttp://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Download
17:22.03quanttromhello, I am having some issues with keyboard mappings when sshing to headless Debian Machine. Specifically the F1, F2, etc won't work properly. Anything document I can read?
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17:22.37quanttromI searched the interwebz but didn't find anything
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17:22.47krionhow's it possible that they are more dpkg than apt installed http://popcon.debian.org/main/by_inst
17:23.29sxpjordanm, aptitude update; aptitude -t lenny-backports install linux-image-2.6-$(dpkg --print-architecture) -> ok
17:23.30nsadminwhat's a webz?
17:24.00sxpwhat should happen now?
17:24.34jordanmsxp: aptitude -t lenny-backports install firmware-ralink; reboot
17:24.38quanttromnsadmin: just did a google search, maybe I was using the wrong terms
17:24.45quanttromnsadmin: any pointers are appreciated
17:24.53jordanmsxp: after the reboot you should be good to go :)
17:25.14sxpok, I will back!
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17:26.31sxpanother concern... can you say to me any wi-fi manager?
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17:26.43sxpa frontend?
17:26.53nsadminquanttrom, what does it mean -specifically- for F1, etc to "work properly"?
17:27.13ondrejksxp: wicd, nm-applet for network manager ..
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17:27.21sxpthanks! I forget it
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17:27.51leumaS[vdpau] Error when calling vdp_device_create_x11: 25   anybody fammilliar with this error from mplayer?
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17:28.47quanttromnsadmin: ok, if I am running htop on the Debian machine and I am loogged in through ssh, it won't arrange the processes as a tree
17:29.05jordanmleumaS: looks like it was reported as a bug upstream: http://bugzilla.mplayerhq.hu/show_bug.cgi?id=1501
17:29.19cuscoleumaS: not sure but try mplayer -vo gl video-file
17:29.35quanttromnsadmin: or in mc, it won't Copy
17:29.58leumaSwill try bu would have been nice to have VDPAU working.
17:30.01jordanmquanttrom: what terminal are you using?
17:30.06cuscoah sorry, didn't read up that you were actually trying to use vdpau
17:31.15cuscoI get the same error
17:31.16nsadmindo you have xbase-clients installed on both machines?
17:31.27leumaScusco:  np... need it to be able to run HD video.    this dual opteron can't handle it othervise.
17:31.35nsadmin, versions xbase-clients
17:31.37juddPackage xbase-clients on i386 -- etch: 1:7.1.ds1-2; lenny: 1:7.3+20; squeeze: 1:7.5+7; sid: 1:7.5+8; experimental: 1:7.5+9
17:32.24quanttromjordanm: what do u mean by that? the TERM variable is xterm on both
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17:33.12nsadminquanttrom: when you start a terminal locally, what exact program is run?
17:33.34nsadmindo you have xbase-clients installed on both machines?
17:33.41jordanmquanttrom: I mean like eg. gnome-terminal. some terminals have shortcuts that will capture F# keys
17:33.51quanttromKonsole
17:34.09jordanmlikely does, but I don't use it so I can't say exactly how to disable
17:35.00quanttromjordanm: It doesn't seem to capture the keys when I am using local applications
17:35.13quanttromjordanm: htop, mc all these work just fine on local machine
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17:39.55prizmso everyone, I have to ask, what was your first debian release?
17:40.04prizmfor me it was lenny 5.0.6
17:40.07naphexWhich package contains latex info files? "info latex" shows only latex's man page. I found texlive-doc-en via apt-cache search latex info but it does not solve the problem...
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17:40.24prizmI used *ubuntu on other PCs before that, but my PIII got a special treatment
17:41.42quanttromnsadmin,jordanm : If i log in using xterm, it all works... I guess something is wrong with konsole on my local machine
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17:43.13jordanmnaphex: it may be in non-free or not in debian at all
17:43.16jordanm!gfdl
17:43.16dpkg[gfdl] The GNU "Free" Documentation License, considered <non-free> by Debian in some cases.  Read the discussion at http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200309/msg00169.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200304/msg00246.html .  See the position statement at http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/Position_Statement.html and resolution at http://www.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_001
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17:45.40daedhelhey
17:46.06daedheli'd like to know what are the default permissions of my ~./ files/dirs ?
17:46.31jordanm644/755
17:46.49daedhelalso, how should I chown them, "chown -R daedhel.daedhel" or "chown-R daedhel.users" ?
17:47.09jordanmyou should own the files in your home directory, yes
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17:47.32daedheljordanm: so I should do this: "sudo chmod -R 644 /home/daedhel" ?
17:47.56quanttromjordanm, nsadmin thanks guys, I figured it out !
17:47.57jordanmdaedhel: did you already bork the perms  on it?
17:48.02daedheljordanm: i know I should own them, but my question is what group should own them? users or daedhel ?
17:48.02jordanmquanttrom: what was it?
17:48.27daedheljordanm: my home dir works, but files perms are inconsistent
17:48.28Bushmillsdaedhel, whatever makes more sense for you
17:48.34jordanmdaedhel: depends on how you want it.
17:48.42daedhelhm
17:48.56quanttromjordanm: if you go in Konsole in the profile settings there is a "Input" tab that modifies the key bindings. I needed to change that to the Default one. I don't know why it was some weird other one
17:48.56daedheli dont know the implication or either choices
17:49.02Bushmillsprobably revolves around the question "what other users will i allow reading my files"
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17:49.38jordanmon a single user system it doesn't matter so much
17:50.14Bushmillsanswer will probably be st like "tendentially many" or "tendentially few, hand picked users"
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17:50.42Bushmillsif few, hand picked, you want your files to belong to your personal group
17:51.02quanttrom<PROTECTED>
17:51.48deStonnneI have a dedicated debian box hosted elsewhere - port 80 traffic is extremely slow.  Connection is made, but receivign response takes forever.  If i connect to other ports, everything is fine, ... top'd the box, cpu is at 3% utilization, ram is in good shape.   servers inside network datacenter can connect, just sloooooow but outside people are having issues connecting (intermitten) -- any
17:51.49deStonnnethoughts on what I can / should check...?
17:52.46naphexjordanm: thanks for the links. I finally found this documentation though, in texlive-latex-base-doc.
17:52.49jordanmdeStonnne: you can have a look at tcpdump and you apache logs to see if you are under a DOS attack
17:53.01daedheljordanm: so I should do this: "sudo chmod -R 644 /home/daedhel" ?
17:53.10jordanmnaphex: I have the same trouble finding the emacs info pages :)
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17:55.00deStonnnewow, yes, i am
17:55.02deStonnnehaha
17:58.05daedheldid I do it right ?
17:58.06daedhelroot@debian:/home/daedhel# chown -R daedhel.daedhel /home/daedhel
17:58.06daedhelroot@debian:/home/daedhel# chmod -R 644 /home/daedhel
17:58.38jelly-homedaedhel: that mode is not correct for directories.
17:59.06daedheljelly: what is your suggestion?
17:59.22daedheljelly-home:: what is your suggestion?
17:59.24jelly-homedaedhel: directories need exectuabel permissions to be able to cd into them
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18:00.09daedheljelly-home: so " chmod -R 744 /home/daedhel " right?
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18:01.50jelly-homedaedhel: no.  change _only_ directories to have executable permissions.
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18:02.48jelly-homedaedhel: something like find /home/daedhel -type d -print0 | xargs -0 chmod +x
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18:03.43jhutchins_lttendentially?
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18:04.35jelly-homeis that a word in English?
18:04.54superlinuxhi. how can someone install debian if he has no cdrom or anything to boot the debian installer but has also a network card. he has another box connected to it. simply a network install, how?
18:05.04jhutchins_ltMy spellchecker doesn''t think so.
18:05.05Bushmills+X :  execute/search only  if  the file is a directory
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18:06.19Jarvissuperlinux: PXE boot an install ?
18:06.49Jarvissuperlinux: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootPXE
18:06.49superlinuxyes! I think so, if that what should happen.
18:06.50cuscosuperlinux: usinh windows? http://goodbye-microsoft.com/
18:07.04superlinuxCueball, I am on Debian mate!
18:07.17skinderctcp version for some channels is funny
18:07.21cuscobecause you want to install it
18:07.29superlinuxno!
18:07.31cuscoskinder: and floody
18:07.36superlinuxsomeone wants
18:07.42jelly-homeskinder: don't do it.
18:07.48skinderbut what are windowsfags doing on #debian?
18:07.48nsadminif you're already on debian, why do you want to install?
18:08.14nsadminskinder: no doubt they sense something about you...
18:08.25superlinuxand I myself as an admin, who is not that advanced in debian, wanna know. I use debian as a desktop mostly
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18:11.29jpinx-eeepc,versions bitlbee
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18:11.31juddPackage bitlbee on i386 -- etch: 1.0.3-1.3; etch-backports: 1.2.3-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.2.3-1; lenny-backports: 1.2.7-1~bpo50+1; sid: 1.2.8-1; squeeze: 1.2.8-1
18:12.27skinder~90% are using linux. 9% windows. 1% emacs.
18:12.27aptokay, skinder
18:12.35skinderno, emacs isn't an OS.
18:13.03skinderapt, get moo
18:13.04aptACTION fetches moo
18:13.17nsadminapt moo\
18:13.22nsadminapt moo
18:13.23aptACTION mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass
18:13.25skinderno easter eggs :(
18:13.30skinderoh, wow.
18:14.07nsadminit's not an easter egg, it's just a factoid
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18:17.32daishadaris there a way to pop open a shell during the debian installer?
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18:18.02jpinx-eeepcwhat's the syntax for downloading a package for an older release (I want bitlbee for etch)
18:18.08jhutchins_ltdaishadar: Isn't there a console on one of the alt-tab or alt-Fx?
18:18.28daishadarjhujhiti:  oh, duh, stupid me :)
18:18.51jhutchins_ltjpinx-eeepc: wget or http or whatever from snapshot.
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18:20.42jelly-home!sdo
18:20.43dpkghttp://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free.  This service replaces the old http://snapshot.debian.net/ site that is no longer maintained.  http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412
18:21.17jpinx-eeepcthanks jelly-home :)  My brain couldn't come up with the factoid name
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18:21.49jelly-homejpinx-eeepc: or /msg dpkg etch sources.list
18:22.21blaWhat's the preffered way of keeping shared '/etc/hosts' on local network? I used DNS server with .local zone but Avahi really doesn't like this. Should I invent another tld? .firmname? Or should I rather use imaginary, yet correct, domain?
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18:23.13jelly-homebla: it doesn't have to be a tld, an invented domain will work as well
18:23.18sxpooh
18:23.21jordanmbla: if you have a local dns server, you really don't need avahi
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18:23.35cuscobla: we use a local dns for that, dnsmasq
18:23.39jelly-homebut the blasted avahi is installed by default
18:23.40jordanmsxp: you join a different debian channel everytime
18:23.46blaI generally doesn't like invented domain because it theoretically can cause conflicts in future.
18:24.08sxpyeah, I have entered through freenode now
18:24.13jhutchins_ltI usually register a .net domain for private networks.
18:24.17blacusco, well I have to keep DNS anyway for normal domains. Also I could ask if using a normal domain is fine since I don't want to make this information (from this .local) public.
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18:24.20phihagO
18:24.25blaHm. I guess I need to read about avahi then.
18:24.30blaI got installed by default with debian.
18:24.32sxpwell, I think the system detected the wi-fi card but wicd continue ignoring it
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18:24.52sxpthe wi-fi card is detected by iwconfig now
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18:24.57blasxp, ifconfig will show you interfaces; ifconfig -a to see all (including this not 'enabled')
18:25.00jordanmsxp: you should only have wicd OR network-manager. also, see /usr/share/doc/wicd/README.Debian
18:25.16phihagI'm looking for a tiny DNS proxy server that works without configuration. dnsmasq, dnsproxy seem to listen to localhost only and require detailled configuration. Any ideas what I could use?
18:25.25sxpok I have only wicd
18:25.39blajelly-home, jordanm cusco thanks!
18:25.40jordanmsxp: are you sure? default gnome install comes with network-manager
18:25.53sxpI can see the wifi card with ifconfig -a !!!
18:25.55cuscobla: I don't really understand your problem. If you have a local dns, you can make up fake domain names like 'lalala'. All machines using that dns server will resolve 'lalala'
18:25.58Jarvisphihag: you can usually change what interface it listens on by editing its config in /etc/default/<appname>
18:26.04CutMeOwnThroatbla, it gets installed with the "desktop" task
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18:26.33blacusco, and I used .local and thought that it's okay. Still avahi started to panic and I thought this might not be okay way to do this.
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18:26.49blaCutMeOwnThroat, I did expert install but then did apt-get install gnome
18:27.02cuscobla: next time install gnome-core only :P
18:27.06blaI guess I'll read about avahi and then get rid of this.
18:27.10blacusco, good idea.
18:27.18sxpI think it is only working wicd
18:27.22blaI'm swapping to debian from gentoo since I used debian on servers all the time.
18:27.50jhutchins_ltsxp: Will you be travelling with this system and using different networks?
18:27.58CutMeOwnThroatbla, ah, yes - it's one of the depends of that meta package
18:27.59sxpno
18:28.23jhutchins_ltIn that case you have no need for wicd or network-manager, just remove them and put the config in /etc/network/interfaces.
18:28.30sxpIt will work just on my LAN
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18:29.27sxpcan you bring me an example of what should I write on /etc/network/interfaces?
18:29.47sxpthe interface is wlan0
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18:31.08cuscosxp: wep or wpa?
18:31.11sxpwpa
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18:31.41cuscoiwconfig does not support it, you would have to configure wpa_supplicant
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18:31.49cuscoyou're better off using network-manager
18:32.19jhutchins_ltHm, new x packages in squeeze, maybe it'll boot.
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18:32.39jhutchins_ltIs there anything in squeeze security yet?
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18:33.48Bopdoes debian verify each aptitude downloaded package by md5 ou sha ?
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18:34.00Bopbefore installing
18:34.15jhutchins_ltBop: So as not to install a broken package and damage your system.
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18:34.26Bopjhutchins_lt, yes
18:34.33jhutchins_ltBop: Erm, yes.  It does.
18:34.38Bopok
18:34.50jhutchins_ltChecks that it's signed by an authorized key as well.
18:35.23Bopok
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18:36.15skinderhm, i suddenly realised, that while all linux users are arguing, which distro is the cutest and stablest, windows will be the most popular system forever. (sorry for my english)
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18:37.27Bushmillssuddenly realised that irc clients have an /ignore feature
18:37.50jordanmskinder: this is not an appropriate place for that type of discussion
18:37.58skinderi know, but
18:38.15skinderthis is place where you all watch for new meddages
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18:38.33skinder*messages
18:38.40jordanm!ot
18:38.40dpkg#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users.  Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic.  Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
18:38.58skinderhurr.
18:39.05jordanmsome of watch for messages there as well
18:40.46grondiluHi, anybody has succeeded in correctly using the touchpad on a EeePC 1001PX ?  (I'm on Sid)
18:41.04jordanm!tell grondilu about synaptics
18:41.11jordanm!tell grondilu about eeepc
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18:45.22grondiluok thnks.  Another question :  on linux console, each time I press Alt+Shift, the keyboard switches from azerty to qwerty.  How can I change that ?
18:45.41grondilu(it's annoying while using irssi)
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18:47.07spetrea-homewhat's the apache fastcgi module ? what do I write ? a2enmod fcgi  ?
18:47.07peterrooneygrondilu: remove azerty keymap?
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18:50.09lenswipeim having trouble playing DVDs on debian
18:50.18blaDo you know anything better than cron-apt? It works for me, but I like to learn new tools.
18:50.18lenswipemplayer will only play the warner bros intro
18:50.32lenswipeand when i try and skip through with VLC it just crashes
18:50.45lenswipecan someone point me to a good DVD player that isnt a load of horse shit?
18:50.45blalenswipe, try giving it  chapter information.
18:50.50blalenswipe, mplayer dvd://2 maybe?
18:51.07blaTry different integers.
18:51.15lenswipebla, i told you, mplayer stops playing after the warner bros intro
18:51.39blalenswipe, which happens for me also if I don't name correct chapter.
18:52.00lenswipebut i dont want to play it chapter by chapter
18:52.10lenswipei want a decent DVD player that lets me skip through
18:52.14lenswipesurely thats not unreasonable
18:52.32lenswipeits possible to create "the worlds universal operating system" but completely impossible to create a decent DVD player
18:52.32blaStill you don't even want to try.
18:52.37blaNo idea. Mplayer works for me.
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18:52.44lenswipebla, mplayer is a load of dogshit
18:52.58blaSubjective. Offensive. And untrue.
18:53.08lenswipelets agree to disagree
18:54.45lenswipebla, i take back what i said about mplayer
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18:54.54lenswipebla, i was thinking of movie player
18:55.01lenswipebla, mplayer wont even read the stupid disc
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18:57.24jhutchins_ltOh goody.  mysql-server from bpo fails to start...
18:57.44lenswipejhutchins_lt, welcome to debian
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18:59.06blaI like people who have problem, won't give any decent information on it and troll the others.
18:59.43lenswipebla, i dont "have problem" i have several problem, ive had problem since i start use debian
18:59.43fipuqq-: questioin
18:59.48fipu*question
19:00.08fipucan I just write a command in /etc/rc.local and that command will executed automatically at every pc reboot?
19:00.33fipufor example the command "cat /home/myfile.txt >> mynewfile.txt"
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19:02.43fipucan someone help me?
19:03.04blafipu, try it. AFAIK it will work
19:03.27blafipu, remember to do chmod u+x /etc/rc.local
19:03.36bla(if the bit is not set)
19:03.49jordanm!rc.local
19:03.49dpkg/etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence.  If you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.local).  rc.local is regarded as a hack, consider writing a real init script instead, ask me about <init.d>.
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19:04.00grondilupeterrooney: actually I want only azerty.  How do I do that ?
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19:04.27lenswipebla, alright heres the deal...
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19:05.01blalenswipe, no deal with you. Should you want some help, give detailed info. "I've got 32 problems with debian, I won't describe them but I will complain about them"
19:05.04wipthey there, to do basic arithmic in a shell script, can I do VAR++ or do I have to do $VAR+=1 or.... ?
19:05.04lenswipebla, i open movie player and click "play disk FIREWALL" i get start of the movie, i try to skip through to the bit i need ot watch and i get a message saying "could not read from source"
19:05.30xandlsdvd
19:05.40bo0otahey, i'm trying to boot from my external usb hdd debian system on my new notebook, but it just tells me "unable to enumerate usb device on port 1", but on my other machine i can boot from the device without any problems, so what could be the reason for that? (of course, bios is set to boot from +usb hdd)
19:05.42lenswipebla, also the correct term is "i refuse to deal with you" not "no deal with you"
19:05.43xandfind the right title using that and then play with mplayer
19:06.09bla(Can't 'deal' be used as a noun? Like in 'here's the deal?')
19:06.14xandthough some DVDs are setup in a stupid way and won't cooperate too well
19:06.21xandbla: yes.
19:06.51blalenswipe, maybe this disc is encrypted? To read encrypted dvd you may need some libraries, in mplayer - maybe some options. It also can be illegal in your country.
19:07.09bo0otais there another channel which is more suitable for booting problems?
19:07.20lenswipebla, the disk isnt encrypted because it plays part of it.
19:07.39xandlenswipe: any commercial dvd will use css encryption
19:07.44lenswipebla, neither is it illegal in my country seeing as it was a) purchased there and b) it plays half of it
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19:07.49xandyou need libdvdcss to get round it
19:07.56lenswipexand, read above, it plays half of it, and i have that installed
19:08.04wiptpirating?
19:08.06xandright, it IS encrypted though :P
19:08.13wipt:O
19:08.14lenswiperight
19:08.19lenswipewipt, and no im not pirating
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19:08.24lenswipeim trying to play a normal DVD
19:08.27jordanmbla: he is a repeat offender
19:08.37xandI would also try ripping it to harddisk to play using gddrescue
19:08.38lenswipewhich is a fairly straight forward task i would have thought
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19:08.46xandyou'd have thought.
19:08.48lenswipexand, yeah might try that, ive given it a wipe
19:08.49xandbut not always
19:08.58lenswipeasin ive wiped it on my t-shirt
19:09.00fipu!init.d
19:09.00dpkg/etc/init.d/ is where most Debian startup scripts go.  To add your own, copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to /etc/init.d/myscript and make it do the appropriate thing on start and stop, at least.  Then "update-rc.d myscript defaults".  See "man update-rc.d" and /usr/share/doc/sysvinit and /etc/init.d/README.  Also ask me about <rc.local> <runlevel>.  See also <missing lsb tags>
19:09.00xandgddrescue will keep trying etc
19:09.05wiptlenswipe: libdecss?
19:09.10lenswipewipt, hmm?
19:09.35wiptit's not legal in the states, don't know about else where
19:10.04jordanmfipu: you don't need need an init script for a cat command. rc.local is fine
19:10.08wiptnot that it matters, I'm just giving crap
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19:10.33blaIs there any alternative for cron-apt?
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19:10.43bla(Which you like)
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19:10.54sekon! missing lsb tags
19:10.54dpkgFrom squeeze onwards, Debian is using a dependency-based boot sequence (see /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.Debian).  This requires that all init scripts have appropriate headers in them so that the correct order of execution can be determined.  Scripts like S25libdevmapper1.02 are left over from Sarge and can be deleted; your own scripts will need LSB headers added: http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts
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19:11.17lenswipewipt, it gets a few mins into it, playing the wrong audio track and then gives up
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19:12.14xandlenswipe: dmesg, errors?
19:12.26lenswipexand, lemme check
19:12.26xandit's probably the disc and not software's fault.
19:12.32lenswipeim expecting to see an error saying "try windows"
19:12.33lenswipeXD
19:13.09lenswipexand, theres some weird crap in dmesg
19:13.12blaAnd last question: what's your preferred way of hooking up iptables? a) iptables restore script + if-pre-up.d script b) rc.local c) Some other magic way?
19:13.41xandbla: script in /etc/network/if-up.d/
19:13.49fiputhanks to all ;) rc.local helps
19:13.50xandI don't use the save or restore programs
19:13.55xandjust run iptables commands in there
19:14.09jordanmthere are instructions on the wiki
19:14.11blaxand, thanks.
19:14.21peterrooneybla: I send it to the bar in a low cut top
19:14.33lenswipexand, http://pastebin.com/ygUhagYw
19:15.13xandinstall gddrescue, ddrescue /dev/sr0 blah.iso blah.log
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19:15.25xandprobably some stupid copy protection crap
19:15.49lenswipehmm could be
19:16.22hjbwhat can be the reason for dpkg to just let my beeper beep and show "killed" on the screen?
19:16.30lenswipexand, robert@C03:~$ ddrescue /dev/sr0 dvd.iso dvd.log
19:16.30lenswipebash: ddrescue: command not found
19:16.38hjbit not even reacts on a ^C
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19:16.45xandrolls eyes
19:17.01xandyou have to install it.
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19:17.35xandmake sure you install gddrescue not ddrescue
19:18.08peterrooney!apt-file
19:18.08dpkgsomebody said apt-file was a utility used to find which package owns a given file or list files in a package even if it's not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regexp; see man apt-file).  You can also search online; ask me about <pdo> <auto-apt> <dlocate>
19:18.42daedheli'm trying to bind "Mod4 + F2" to "dmenu_run" with xbindkeys in sid/lxde. This particular key combination wont work. But other key combination such as "Mod4 + F1" effectively calls the binded command wich is "sakura"
19:18.45daedhelHALP!
19:19.02hjbhmm, i've killed that dpkg and aptitude continued configuring resulting in a lot of errors
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19:19.11hjbany idea how borked my system now is?
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19:20.16hjbdo i have to reinstall/reconfigure any single package now?
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19:21.09f8lhjb: Just `apt-get install`. Should pick up where it left.
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19:21.13lenswipexand, i did install it
19:21.50xandoh I remember
19:22.00xandfor some reason it goes in /sbin so won't be in normal path
19:22.02xandno idea why.
19:22.03lenswipei ran it as sudo
19:22.04lenswipeit seems to be doing something ow
19:22.09xandit doesn't need root to wokr
19:22.11xand*work
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19:23.13hjbf8l: ok, i'll try
19:23.39hjbit was killed during upgrade of grub
19:24.41_val_Hello guys. I'm running debian and tried to set up postfix/dovecot + sasl. THe problem is that whatever I try I can't get the PLAIN LOGIN for authentication.
19:24.54_val_Is this a bug, or a known error?.
19:25.12xandprobably a configuration proble,
19:25.13hjbgrr, now my update hangs during "genrating grub.conf"
19:25.14lenswipexand, okay i have an ISO...now what do i do?
19:25.15xand*problem
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19:25.30xandlenswipe: try and play it...
19:25.34lenswipehow?
19:25.35xandopen with vlc
19:25.38lenswipejust open it with vl....ok
19:25.47xandor mplayer -dvd-device file.iso dvd://...
19:25.57xandyou might get the same error though :|
19:26.17lenswipexand, same
19:26.24_val_xand: http://pastie.org/1226226
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19:26.32lenswipexand, vlc refuses to play past a certain point in the ISO
19:26.36hjbapt-get───dpkg───frontend───linux-image-2.6───run-parts───grub-mkconfig───30_os-prober───30_os-prob
19:26.41_val_auth default { mechanism = plain }
19:26.49hjbos-prober seems to cause this trouble
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19:27.25_val_I've also created the smtpd.conf and put there the  mech_list: plain
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19:28.11xand_val_: sorry never used postfix
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19:28.43lenswipexand, any ideas?
19:28.46_val_xand: I did but never under debian. I don't know if I'm missing the sasl-plain  package
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19:29.00hjbcan i disbale os-prober anyhow?
19:29.07hjbi don't need it anyways
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19:30.02xandlenswipe: try another program
19:30.30lenswipexand, i have movie player and vlc
19:30.37lenswipeneither of which will play this fscking DVD
19:31.03comradekingulenswipe: libdvdcss?
19:31.18daedheli'm trying to bind "Mod4 + F2" to "dmenu_run" with xbindkeys in sid/lxde. This particular key combination wont work. But other key combination such as "Mod4 + F1" effectively calls the binded command wich is "sakura"
19:31.21lenswipecomradekingu, for the 60th time i already have it installed
19:31.40blip2daedhel: hardware might get in the way?
19:31.54blip2is it a laptop?
19:33.10magyarhi, does debian installer cd has memtest on it?
19:33.36daedhelblip2: laptop yes
19:33.56_val_allright another question. What's the equivalent of  rpm -qa |grep packagename in debain?
19:34.29_val_checking what packages are installed?
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19:35.48bla_val_, dpkg -l
19:35.50jhutchins_ltdpkg -l "packag*"
19:35.51dpkgii  "packag*"                 1.6-15.2           ultra s3kr1t #debian package
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19:36.16_val_ah Thanks guys
19:36.26Ring0`Hi, I was trying to set up SquirellMail but I got >Connection dropped by IMAP server.< without any specific reason in logs :o
19:36.30jhutchins_lt_val_: BTW rpm -aq <searchterm> also works.
19:36.38Ring0`Only mail.log shows >imapd: Connection, ip=[::ffff:127.0.0.1]<
19:36.41Ring0`And that's all.
19:36.43jhutchins_lt_val_: er, -qa
19:36.48blabtw any other command related to packages to take look at? Except for apt-get, dpkg and aptitude?
19:37.31_val_bla: Actually the problem I'm facing is that I need the cyrus-sasl-plain package
19:37.33jhutchins_ltapt-file can be useful (although I suspect there's a way to do it with aptitude.
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19:38.09_val_and I administer redhat/centos servers but never done things on debian. I'm a bit lost
19:38.14blajhutchins_lt, thanks. I'll certainly take a look at it.
19:38.37ImaginaryFriendquestion: whats the best way to determine which local network machine uses how much bandwidth? can i count someone from debian based gateway monthly transfer per computer?
19:38.42lenswipexand, i give up, ima try it under windows
19:38.45jhutchins_lt!ssl
19:38.45dpkgit has been said that secure sockets layer is (SSL) This is a protocol specified by Netscape that allows for "secure" passage of data.  It uses public key encryption, including digital certificates and digital signatures, to pass data between a browser and a server, or more generally, all sorts of network clients and the respective servers.  It is an open standard and most modern browsers support it.
19:41.05jhutchins_lt!saslauthd
19:41.05dpkgsaslauthd is a <SASL> authentication server, which handles plain-text authentication requests on behalf of the SASL library.  Packaged for Debian in sasl2-bin.
19:42.09_val_ah
19:42.16_val_so  aptitude install sasl2-bin
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19:42.36_val_no packages
19:43.20_val_jhutchins_lt: saslauthd is working just fine. The plain-Login authentication is failing.
19:43.41_val_testsaslauthd -u username -p passwd -r domain.tld -s smtp
19:43.53_val_returns Status OK.
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19:44.33jhutchins_lt_val_: Firewall or anything?
19:44.51jhutchins_lt,versions sasl2-bin
19:44.52juddPackage sasl2-bin on i386 -- etch: 2.1.22.dfsg1-8+etch1; etch-security: 2.1.22.dfsg1-8+etch1; lenny: 2.1.22.dfsg1-23+lenny1; lenny-security: 2.1.22.dfsg1-23+lenny1; squeeze-security: 2.1.22.dfsg1-23+squeeze1; sid: 2.1.23.dfsg1-6; squeeze: 2.1.23.dfsg1-6
19:44.55_val_jhutchins_lt: iptables -L -v -n --line-n
19:45.00_val_nothing there
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19:46.24_val_and, I'm not behind the NAT. So .. it is just failing me. Still if I run  telnet localhost 25  ; ehlo localhost   it shows this:
19:46.29_val_250-AUTH DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5 NTLM PLAIN LOGIN
19:46.30_val_250-AUTH=DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5 NTLM PLAIN LOGIN
19:46.59jhutchins_lt_val_: Ah, so you need to find the docs on enabling it for your mailhandler (exim or postfix)?
19:47.02_val_instead it should have shown  250-AUTH PLAIN LOGIN
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19:47.13_val_jhutchins_lt: it's postfix
19:47.31_val_jhutchins_lt: http://pastie.org/1226226
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19:50.30kristian-aalborgwhich repos should I add to get midori?
19:50.41_val_jhutchins_lt: the same configuration under redhat works like a charm.
19:51.36_val_I think that the saslauthd is not looking at the smtpd.conf at all. which has the mech_list: plain login
19:51.36jordanmkristian-aalborg: it is only available in testing and it is not backportable
19:51.52kristian-aalborgok
19:51.57jhutchins_lt_val_: I'm afraid my mailserver was a set-it-and-forget-it kindof thing, perhaps #postfix
19:52.15_val_jhutchins_lt: that channel is dead! :>
19:52.29jhutchins_lt_val_: Probably busier during the week.
19:52.42jhutchins_lt_val_: Google and forums then - sasl + postfix.
19:52.53_val_I gues going to write my own authentication method and port it to debian :p. It seems it's a bug in the debain package of sasl2
19:53.06jhutchins_lthttp://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html
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19:54.30jhutchins_lt_val_: It looks more to me like postfix isn't getting your changes and isn't talking to the sasl server, which appears to be working just fine.
19:55.12jhutchins_lt_val_: sasl wouldn't look at smtp anyway, it doesn't care, it just responds to the auth requests on the local socket.
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19:56.19_val_jhutchins_lt: as I said before
19:56.35_val_testsaslauthd -u username -p password -r domain.tld -s smtp
19:56.50frewsxcv-ucbwhen i try to set a password on debian i get: "Current Kerberos password:" what does this mean?
19:56.59_val_it passess the authentication. Thou going from Evolution / Thunderbird  it won't authenticate
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19:57.54jhutchins_lt_val_: Mine is NOT set up correctly, the daemon wasn't even running.
19:58.48jhutchins_lt_val_: That would be your imap/pop daemon wouldn't it?  Or do you mean for sending?
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19:59.08jhutchins_lt_val_: http://www.debianadmin.com/debian-mail-server-setup-with-postfix-dovecot-sasl-squirrel-mail.html
19:59.30_val_jhutchins_lt: pop3 works fine. SMTP should support plain login over an encrypted TLS connection
19:59.41_val_thanks I'll have a look at it.
20:00.05_val_ah. I've had this tutorial. :< Didn't solve my problem
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20:03.39_val_jhutchins_lt: surprisingly enough , there is no path = /var/spool/postfix/private/auth
20:03.52_val_under private there is no auth
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20:09.58LinuxGuy2009I have this Dell Mini 10v netbook here that Im on and it has a multimedia key on F1 to switch to the external monitor, but it doesn't seem to work in Debian. Does this come down to kernel support or can I make it work?
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20:10.44LinuxGuy2009I just need my 40" lcd tv to work I dont care if the key does it or not. I just need it to work.
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20:11.15jhutchins_ltLinuxGuy2009: see if it's supported by xrandr.
20:11.26jhutchins_ltkde has krandrtray
20:11.29_val_jhutchins_lt: how do I know what repository provides certain packageS?
20:11.37_val_libsasl2  isn't there.
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20:12.04LinuxGuy2009jhutchins_lt: is that a package I need to install and that should work on its own?
20:12.09_val_or  sasl2-bin
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20:15.19cahootLinuxGuy2009: connect the tv and see if it's listed by xrandr -q
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20:22.30LinuxGuy2009cahoot: ok
20:23.52LinuxGuy2009cahoot: it says tv disconnected. but yeah its listed i guess.
20:24.28cahootdisconnected  - not turned on?
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20:26.35LinuxGuy2009cahoot: its turned on and set to pc input. its a sony bravia 40". I just read about installing grandr its a gui for xrandr. But it doesnt seem to show the tv.
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20:27.23srmaddox!ssb
20:27.23dpkgFirst, check for a backport on <debian-backports>.  If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.  To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
20:27.34LinuxGuy2009oh wait its listed. just says VGA
20:29.16LinuxGuy2009grandr worked perfectly. woohoo
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20:34.32Stormtrooper\o
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20:43.41antizeushey, how can i update my python version ? i am using 2.5 i want to update it for last version.
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20:45.34CutMeOwnThroat"aptitude install python"?
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20:46.11f8lantizeus: `apt-get install python2.6`, but this may make some other programs to be updated also.
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20:46.47antizeusf8l: oh yeah. however, it isn't on the repositories.
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20:47.07f8lantizeus: Which Debian do you run?
20:47.40alkiihow do I make PS1 stuff permanent?
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20:47.53antizeuspapna:  f8l lenny.
20:47.57dondelelcaroalkii: add it to your .bashrc or similar
20:48.10f8lalkii: Insert it into rc file.
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20:49.15pigdudeI just installed debian on a thinkpad r500...wifi isn't visible at all. what should I do?
20:49.38f8lantizeus: It's in Squeeze. You'll have to wait for it to be released, or check if it is in backports.
20:49.56antizeusf8l: http://codepad.org/DJJmRhtY
20:50.01antizeusf8l: that is my repository list.
20:51.08f8lantizeus: Uncomment the security repo.
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20:51.55antizeusf8l: allr ight.
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20:52.12f8lantizeus: This will not enable you to install Python2.6, but you'll get security updates.
20:52.19sekonpigdude: post the output of dmesg
20:52.23antizeusf8l: yeap.
20:52.39antizeusf8l: however, how could i install that 2.6 ? i don't know what backports are.
20:52.41antizeuslol
20:52.51antizeusf8l: i am new to it.
20:53.01f8l!tell antizeus about backports
20:53.24themill!python2.6
20:53.24dpkgpython2.6 is probably the default default /usr/bin/python in squeeze.  If you need python2.6 for lenny, you can create a squeeze chroot with python2.6 in it; backporting python2.6 is unlikely to be successful due to changes in the module layout (around 600 packages had to be altered to upgrade from python2.5 to python2.6).
20:53.39f8lantizeus: I doubt it's there to be honest.
20:54.08antizeusf8l: all right.
20:54.16sekonpigdude: please see http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Thinkpad/T500
20:54.23antizeusi will see whether i get other version for debian then.
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20:54.36pigdudelol didn't wake up from suspend
20:55.03f8lantizeus: You can upgrade to squeeze if you feel good enough.
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20:55.21antizeusf8l: yeah. how can i do that ?
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20:55.35pigdudesekon: ok so I would have to manually copy over that package and its dependencies
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20:55.48antizeusi don't know what are squeezy, lenny, properly, etc. i don't know the differences i was using ubuntu.
20:56.10pigdudeantizeus: squeeze is 6, lenny 5
20:56.17pigdudeantizeus: they are named for toy story characters
20:56.23antizeuspigdude: lol
20:56.25antizeuscool.
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20:56.45antizeuspigdude: so, if i download the squeeze i will be downloaing the latest versio ?
20:56.45sekonpigdude: see what is the output of dpkg -l | grep firmware-iwlwifi
20:56.46pigdudeantizeus: sarge was 3, etch was 4
20:56.52pigdudeantizeus: squeeze is testing
20:56.53f8lantizeus: If you have to ask, you are not ready. ;-P
20:56.57pigdudeantizeus: lenny is stable
20:57.20antizeusf8l: humm
20:57.25pigdudeantizeus: sid is unstable
20:57.27f8l!tell antizeus about lenny->squeeze
20:57.33antizeuspigdude: what would you advise me to install ?
20:57.39pigdudeantizeus: whats it for
20:57.47sekonpigdude: see what is the output of dpkg -l | grep firmware-iwlwifi
20:58.00pigdudesekon: oh i doubt it's there
20:58.00godzomantizeus: why do you need python2.6
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20:58.27sekonpigdude: then do apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi
20:58.30antizeusgodzom: cause i need to use 'fractions' it is only in 2.6.
20:58.32pigdudegodzom: just built it from src if need be
20:58.46pigdudesekon: no network
20:58.56sekonpigdude: use ethernet
20:59.00pigdudesekon: no ethernet
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20:59.17pigdudesekon: (no network)
20:59.25sekonpigdude: copy the dpkg on a cdrom and then install from that media
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20:59.36antizeusi gotta go now. thank you all.
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21:00.13pigdudeI thought intel was in kernel...
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21:00.45pigdudei wonder why it's a non-free pkg
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21:04.02godzomI just upgraded from lenny -> squeeze,  honestly , this was the worst upgrade ever
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21:05.52jordanmgodzom: problems other than udev? feel free to report to upgrade-reports
21:06.52godzomjordanm these udev warning during the boot made me crazy
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21:22.15CutMeOwnThroatwarnings are not breakage, though
21:22.26CutMeOwnThroatthat hardly qualifies as "worst upgrade"
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21:45.34mqmi just started learning emacs but there's no Info help.. what package should i install to get it?
21:46.11simonrvnit's in non-free
21:46.28simonrvnbecause of the gfdl license
21:46.57mqmoh ok.. so how should I search for it?
21:47.08simonrvn!non-free
21:47.09dpkg[non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>, or are encumbered by patents or other legal issues.  To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>.  To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>.  For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/
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21:48.53simonrvn(gfdl is a foss license, but has particular issues that conflict with dfsg)
21:49.23simonrvnin some opinions
21:49.26jordanmmqm: emacs23-common-non-dfsg
21:49.38jordanmin majority opinions at voting time
21:49.42raz0If I used reportbug to file a bug and said yes (during configuration) to having a working MTA, but I don't, is there any way to recover the bug report I wrote (so I can send it manually)?
21:49.56simonrvnreportbug --configure
21:50.05simonrvnman it next time
21:50.19jordanmi interpretted that question differently
21:50.30jordanmraz0: only if your non-working MTA bounced it
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21:50.53jordanmotherwise, -o file
21:50.54raz0damn..
21:50.55simonrvngood point
21:51.39ImaginaryFriendhey how can i verify wpa passphrase on the ACCESS POINT?
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21:54.32ma3xhi, does gnome show something when someone logs on to your pc via ssh?
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21:55.53jordanmgnome? no
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21:56.28ImaginaryFriendma3x: in terminal you can write who to see that
21:58.21ImaginaryFriendok - how can i change wpa passphrase in terminal on the access point?
21:58.28ma3xi know that, i meant to ask if you get a pop up or something
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22:01.43jordanmImaginaryFriend: that entirely depends on the access point
22:02.00ImaginaryFriendits debian etch
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22:02.02jordanmyou probably can't if its a home-grade access point
22:02.16jordanmyour AP is running debian etch?
22:02.25ImaginaryFriendyp
22:02.33jordanmthat sounds very unsafe...
22:02.43jordanmImaginaryFriend: etch is no longer supported
22:03.13ImaginaryFriendmight be
22:03.20jordanma point of entry to your wireless network would be a bad place to run an OS that lacks security support
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22:03.49ImaginaryFriendwell my vendor will upgrade soon
22:04.00ImaginaryFriendi get custom support with this,
22:04.11jordanmyour vendor sells APs with etch?
22:04.19ImaginaryFriendexcito.com :)
22:05.23ImaginaryFriendthe thing is my girl lost access to wifi, she's at home, im logged in remotely via ssh (to this NAS/AP)
22:05.31ImaginaryFriendso the connectivity is fine
22:05.52ImaginaryFriendnetwork manager finds AP but the correct pass doesnt work
22:06.11ImaginaryFriendi wonder if i can remotely verify if its been changed or just change it and ask her if it works
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22:06.47ImaginaryFriendjust curious how i can set up a new wpa passphrase remotely
22:07.38jordanmI would guess it runs hosstapd, check docs for that
22:07.50jordanmI would imagine you have ssh access
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22:09.12ImaginaryFriendyes , thanks jordanm, thats already very helpful
22:09.32ImaginaryFriendso, should the file /etc/hostapd/hostapd.wpa_psk be empty
22:09.33ImaginaryFriend?
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22:10.38jordanmno idea, never used hostapd, just know its the common software for using linux as an AP
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22:17.58ImaginaryFriendehh
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22:28.30SparFux1So, module assistant can only compile modules for kernels from debian packages?
22:30.00edibracas opposed to source or rpm?
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22:41.58stewSparFux1: i don't think that is true
22:42.33SparFux1stew: hm.... I get an error about my kernel version, which is vmlinuz-2.6.36-rc7-nouveau-2010-10-14
22:42.44SparFux1for my precompiled kernel.
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22:43.08flori_hi
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22:44.42flori_my notebook offers a synaptics touchpad with no sepearte buttons. how can i define the lower area of the touchpad to act as buttons when tabbed there?
22:46.00TagorI'm trying to install FuzzyOCR with Spamassassin, but get this error: "save_execute: Insecure dependency in open while running with -T switch at /etc/mail/spamassassin/FuzzyOcr/Misc.pm line 92." Does anyone know what this means? And how I can solve this?
22:46.24SparFux1stew: but this is strange, I don't have a 2010-10-15!         + (2.6.36-rc7-nouveau-2010-10-15): not found
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22:49.51jordanmstew: I thought that it was true.. I recall it making some kind of check for installed kernel packages. could be wrong however, as its been a while since I remember running into issues with it
22:50.39jordanmSparFux1: its probably best to use kernel-package either way
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22:57.11SparFux1joordanm: using make-kpkg will compile the whole kernel every time even after tiny git update.
22:57.46stewSparFux1: what does "uname -r" say?  are you passing either the -k or -l options to m-a ?
22:58.18rampageoberonhi, just wondering if anyone knows why i am not able to get the correct start time for an application via /proc/pid/stat? it seems to keep resetting itself every few minutes. The same works with no issues on ubuntu. Thanks
22:58.35SparFux1stew, no I pass only --kernel-dir=<my/source/dir> and uname -r says 2.6.36-rc7-nouveau-2010-10-14
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22:59.01SparFux1stew: there is no 2010-10-15 on my system and I never compiled it, but m-a li says it's not there. why does it do so? :-)
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23:01.30stew(that is a yes to -k, btw)
23:01.35stewSparFux1: you might try -l as well
23:01.41stewand to answer your question, i don't know
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23:02.39SparFux1stew: -l brings me to m-a ncurses menu.
23:03.39stewSparFux1: what exact command did you run?
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23:05.14SparFux1stew: http://pastebin.com/aCy5A9VG
23:05.26SparFux1and adding -l gives me the menu simply.
23:05.53SparFux1ok, it might be it looks in my source, checks for version.
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23:06.06stewSparFux1: -l takes an argument
23:06.18stewyes, if you give it -k it looks in the source for the version
23:06.35stewwhich means that you shouldn't need -l, and perhaps your source is not the version you think it is
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23:08.14no--namedo I just need cd1 to install debian?
23:08.20no--namewhat are the other 30 cds? :s
23:09.18SparFux1stew: yes, and when I do git update, obviously I get newer version like 2010-10-17 :-)
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23:10.42simonrvnno--name: just #1 yes
23:10.43SparFux1this would mean I would have to install the newly git updated kernel.
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23:11.16no--namesimonrvn: what is on all the other ones?
23:11.17simonrvnno--name: all of debian
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23:11.36simonrvner, the rest, ordered by what popcon finds
23:11.40simonrvn!popcon
23:11.41dpkgmethinks popcon is the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank).  Install the popularity-contest package to participate.  See the results at http://popcon.debian.org/ -- See the FAQ at http://popcon.debian.org/FAQ .  Statistics are also available via IRC, /msg judd popcon $package
23:13.31pcncxone person runs a ppc64 they must feel impotent
23:13.32qwdAre statistics available through aptitude as well? I remember seeing some package about that once.
23:14.45simonrvnmany more do, only one participates...
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23:14.57pcncxsimonrvn yall ...
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23:15.25pcncxsimonrvn I'm sure all the rest work for the NSA and are super secret squirrels
23:15.36simonrvno_O
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23:15.52pcncxone of my machines runs popcon
23:16.02qwdHow can I number (that is put a 001, 002, 003 in the beginning of the file name) files based on creation/modification date?
23:16.03pcncxmy plain jane desktop
23:16.06simonrvnmy ppc box does
23:16.27pcncxit is lost in the big i386 crowd though
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23:17.08simonrvn(i don't run it on this box)
23:17.23pcncxyeah it isn't on this machine either this one is an oddball
23:17.46pcncxthis is the stripper
23:17.59simonrvni would. 'odd' machines should just to get counted
23:18.05SparFux1stew: ok, let me try with a fresh built kernel. It might be I haven't kept the kernel build clean enough :-\
23:18.08pcncxcan't afford the cycles
23:18.14simonrvnah
23:18.22pcncxthat is part of what stripping is all about
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23:18.53pcncxthis baby runs X with 52 procs
23:18.59kristian-aalborgwhat is the fastest browser in repos?
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23:19.39pcncxnow I'm trying to build a stripped kernel for it
23:19.53peterrooney<PROTECTED>
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23:20.02pcncxwhich is why I logged in to see if anyone here knows what stuff I can leave out
23:20.32pcncxsimonrvn nice how i wove that in wasn't it?
23:20.36kristian-aalborgpeterrooney: something more graphical
23:20.53kristian-aalborgbut yes, those are swift ;)
23:21.05peterrooneykristian-aalborg:   w3m-img, then ^_^
23:21.16pcncxkristian-aalborg try lynx
23:21.37simonrvnrun in xterm, install w3mimg too, and voilà
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23:22.34pcncxsome buggy flash ads really bog my browser down
23:22.50Bopcan anyone talk with me about load balacing ?
23:23.39pcncxBop we should join mailing lists
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23:23.56Bopsorry ?
23:24.01simonrvnyou get more from doing some research, browsing the wb. it's a complex subject Bop
23:24.10simonrvnweb
23:24.15pcncxBop mailing lists can be where more in depth information can be conveyed
23:24.34deepyBop: the load balancer is the usual bottleneck when load balancing fails
23:24.36Bopbut i have some doubts
23:24.37simonrvnthis is irc, it's ot suited to such things
23:25.08pcncxsimonrvn it can be depends who is logged in though
23:25.38Bopill explain my doubt
23:25.45pcncxsimonrvn this is the weekend so a lot of the best hackers are out puffing for prop 19 I'm sure :)
23:26.13kristian-aalborgare they legalising?
23:26.23Bop1 machine making load balacing to 2 web servers . do i have to replicate the information in both servers ? what about database ? should it be  on a 3º server  ?
23:26.31pcncxkristian-aalborg don't matter the feds got nice cozy cells for them all too
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23:27.17pcncxkristian-aalborg computer skilled inmates are especially desirable these days
23:27.28simonrvn!ot
23:27.29dpkg#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users.  Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic.  Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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23:30.44pcncxlets get down to it then shall we? do I need kernel module agpgart if i do not use an onboard video adapter?
23:32.47SparFux1pcncx: my guess is not.
23:33.04SparFux1headless  you don't need it.
23:33.12SparFux1do you mean you have a graphics adpater installed?
23:33.18pcncxSparFux1 that is what I was thinking no there is a head on the machine it is needed
23:33.22kristian-aalborgpeterrooney: got w3m-img, how do I run it?
23:33.24pcncxyes i have a video adapter card
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23:33.39nogoare you a pirate?
23:33.39SparFux1pcncx: then you need it, I am afraid.
23:33.44simonrvnw3m runs it
23:34.13SparFux1who is a pirate?
23:34.22pcncxSparFux1 I guess wiki is wrong about what it does thanks for the info
23:34.24nogovideo pirate
23:34.25AimHereLong John Silver
23:34.28simonrvneveryone is, on TLaPD :P
23:34.38nogonot me
23:34.39SparFux1nogo: I am not.
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23:34.58SparFux1I don't buy videos neither, though.
23:34.58nogowho is still using aalib these days?
23:35.09simonrvnpeople are
23:35.12nogonot me
23:35.17pcncxSparFux1 I bought 2 DVDs at a garage sale today for $1 each
23:35.23nogolol
23:35.30nogorolls eyes
23:35.41SparFux1I would use unicode-lib if it was there, perhaps :-P
23:36.20pcncxI always wanted to do the aalib quake thing never got around t oit though
23:36.29nogowe are not chinese, so we don't need unicode
23:36.43nogoenglish is everything
23:37.10pcncxnogo I believe other languages than english are about as real as Tolkien elven
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23:37.20simonrvn...
23:37.29deepypcncx: du kan vara en babian
23:37.47pcncxdeepy why the same to you and twice on SUnday!
23:38.09deepyeew, we don't do that on sundays
23:38.11deepyor in public
23:38.25SparFux1why does anybody ask about being a pirate? in fact, a good friend got a letter from a lawyer, they want 650 euro from him because they claim he did some filesharing of a video game batman whatever.
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23:39.03nogostupid europeans
23:39.11BopSparFux1, what proof does the lawyer provide ?
23:39.24nogothank god, it's nothing to do with me
23:39.38simonrvnin fact on this network you'll be g:lined if you do
23:39.39simonrvn!ot
23:39.39dpkg#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users.  Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic.  Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
23:40.00SparFux1Bop: they claim they got his ip from his provider. But the lawyers are known for betrayal.
23:40.19SparFux1Bop: they send thousands of people those letters to scare them and hope to get their money. :-)
23:40.21pcncxsimonrvn does dpkg have an entry for bot abuse?
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23:40.42SparFux1There you got chinese!
23:41.07SparFux1Ambagasdowa: is that chinese?
23:41.20pcncxit looks like boxes here
23:41.41Ambagasdowaform sri lanka
23:41.48Ambagasdowafrom
23:42.11nogoit's japanese language
23:42.21Ambagasdowai dont know if they are chineses XD
23:42.45SparFux1pcncx: well, I can see the symbols right, I think. unicode :-)
23:42.47Ambagasdowai dont know but i dont think so
23:42.58nogochinese claim that english is from chinese language too
23:43.13nogodon't believe in that shit
23:43.22pcncxnogo maybe I thought it was from arabic
23:43.23simonrvn!ot
23:43.24dpkg#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users.  Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic.  Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
23:43.43SparFux1whatever I love the fact that I can see whatever foreign symbols there are.
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23:44.19Ambagasdowai from fbterm using irssi
23:44.33Ambagasdowai'm testing this stuffs
23:44.49nogomy console is utf-8 ready
23:45.04pcncxAmbagasdowa rxvt and irssi here
23:45.05Ambagasdowame too
23:45.21Ambagasdowaok
23:45.22nogoi don't need rxvt anymore
23:45.35no--nameThere are thousands of channels on IRC in which you can talk about non-debian-related things ;/
23:45.42SparFux1my console is utf8 too.
23:45.44pcncxSparFux1 I've another machine setup to display the odd characters
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23:46.28Ambagasdowai dont like kde4 so i'm on framebuffer
23:46.50kristian-aalborganyone got dillo to run?
23:46.56Ambagasdowaon debian box of course
23:46.59pcncxAmbagasdowa I run Lenny is KDE4 available for it?
23:47.24Ambagasdowanop , but i'm not sure
23:47.39pcncxAmbagasdowa doesn't matter I can't stand KDE4 either :)
23:47.40Ambagasdowamaybe on backports
23:48.08Ambagasdowai have a mix now of testing ,stable and backports
23:48.09pcncxfluxbox on this Debian system
23:48.27Kamping_Kaisershakes his head
23:48.43Kamping_Kaiserwalks away from the traincrash
23:49.02nogoi used fluxbox only on bsds
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23:49.20kristian-aalborgI've just installed fluxbox on debian
23:49.42pcncxI find flux a little easier on the eyes than blackbox
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23:50.34Ambagasdowasee ya later everybody
23:50.56Ambagasdowai'm go to dinner
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23:52.23Vikshi I m debian noobie, I need some help
23:52.40pcncxViks OK ask
23:53.05ViksI have just finished installing mosquitto (its a mqtt broker )
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23:53.39Vikssimple software, but after "make install" I am not able to run it
23:53.51Viksmind u this is my first day with debian
23:54.14Vikswhenever I do " ./mosquitto"  I get error:invalid user
23:54.19nogoi am a debian noob since v2.x
23:54.25edibracmaybe try sudo?
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23:54.47pcncxnogo I forget which my first crack at Debian was was in 1996 though
23:55.07nogogod, you are so old
23:55.11ViksI am already running it as root
23:55.20edibraci installed slackware in 1994. but i never touched it since then.
23:55.31pcncxViks try just mosquitto if it is on your path
23:55.51Vikssame thing Error:Invalid user
23:55.57pcncxedibrac my first slack was slackware 95 and i did run that a lot
23:56.14nogolinux became to a usable desktop at about 2001
23:56.39edibraci wussed out and upgraded to Windows 3.1
23:56.42Viksits is on my path, I am in same directory where I can see executable
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23:57.00pcncxViks by default CWD isn't on people's paths
23:57.00nogopeople said: " is linux ready for desktop?'
23:57.10edibracand though that trumpet software wasn't free, so I was worried that the lab guy would seem me copying it off to a floppy
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23:57.28edibracoops sorry, i mean I wussed out and downgraded to win 3.1
23:57.37nogopeople repeat this sentense this year
23:57.44Vikspcncx , sorry for my ignorance but what is CWD
23:57.54edibracit should be "are you ready for linux"
23:57.59pcncxViks current working directory or where yo uare when you issue a command
23:58.01nogonever
23:58.17pcncxViks looks like . in LInux
23:58.32nogoit sounds like a lie of a politocian
23:58.39nogopolitician
23:58.43Viksso what do I do make it on my path ??
23:58.46pcncxViks some software well a lot depends on its installed location in order to run
23:59.31pcncxViks did your source tree come with any documentation you could read?
23:59.55pcncxViks usually there is a file called README or a folder called docs

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