| 00:00.02 | Viks | yeah I went through that nothing much in there |
| 00:00.14 | pcncx | Viks does the software have a website? |
| 00:00.51 | Viks | yes. http://mosquitto.org/ |
| 00:00.53 | pcncx | do I need this pci_hotplug module? |
| 00:01.10 | nogo | for? |
| 00:01.40 | pcncx | nogo I don't think I am hot plugging anything into my PCI bus |
| 00:01.42 | matt8686 | How to check, which packages/programs one packet includes? I mean for example there are often packages, which include multiple utilities. |
| 00:01.55 | nogo | pcncx: i think so |
| 00:01.57 | pcncx | nogo least not intentionally |
| 00:02.50 | pcncx | Viks did you edit the mosquitto.conf file? |
| 00:03.32 | Viks | pcncx I did few things |
| 00:03.49 | Viks | am I missing something ? let me check it again. |
| 00:03.54 | pcncx | Viks I'll be honest I'm reading this stuff but I've no idea what it really does |
| 00:04.29 | pcncx | Viks often software sith these conf files you have to do some editing in order for them to work correctly |
| 00:04.32 | nogo | ha, a message broker? what's different from dbus? |
| 00:04.55 | Viks | pcncx I think there is one user option in config file |
| 00:05.00 | Viks | I need to do something there |
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| 00:06.08 | pcncx | nogo know what I am noticing more and more with software? The authors assume you know what the stuff is lots leave out an adequate description of just what exactly package xyz does |
| 00:06.10 | Viks | pcncx I think I need to create new user in my system. thanks for ur help |
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| 00:06.19 | pcncx | Viks hey you are welcome |
| 00:06.34 | pcncx | Viks yes often software needs special users in Linux |
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| 00:11.08 | pattonb_ | greetings: it appears that any requests for an ip address ( port 67 & ip of 255.255.255.255) are being answered by a dhcp server on the outside interface. Naturally my dhcp server is setup to listen and answer on the inside interface(eth1 ) how can this be ? |
| 00:11.09 | pcncx | ah so does pci_hotplug do the actual loading and unloading of modules? |
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| 00:13.55 | ehnde | i set my terminal font to sans and some of the letters blend into each other |
| 00:13.59 | ehnde | like me |
| 00:14.00 | nsadmin | pattonb_ check your cables, check your routing table, check what your devices are really named |
| 00:14.14 | pcncx | ehnde like rn ? |
| 00:14.21 | ehnde | no, rn is spaced ok |
| 00:14.32 | nogo | pcncx: iirc, the kernel always assume that your pci bus, sata and usb chips are always enable |
| 00:14.33 | ehnde | @l looks funny |
| 00:14.42 | ehnde | can hardly see the l |
| 00:14.43 | pcncx | whatever font kwrite uses on my other machine rn looks like an m a lot |
| 00:14.56 | nsadmin | pattonb_ check your dhcp config |
| 00:15.24 | pattonb_ | nsadmin: done, been through this. I have about 25 servers ( all set up the same, for the past 8 years) This is happening only on one server. I have double and tripled checked everything. I have plenty of logs. |
| 00:15.36 | pcncx | nogo I was doing some reading and I think pci_hotplug has something to do with dynamic module loading |
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| 00:16.12 | pcncx | nogo I am going to leave it it isn't what it sounds like it is I don't think |
| 00:16.16 | nsadmin | unless your "router" is more like a bridge, dhcp doesn't get forwarded across subnets, so the only ways the outside dhcp could be answering is that machines are on the same wire, or you have a bridge |
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| 00:16.37 | ehnde | shouldn't have changed my font while logged onto freenode |
| 00:16.42 | ehnde | it closed out the terminal :| |
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| 00:17.01 | ehnde | DejaVu Sans Mono is much more readable though! |
| 00:17.05 | pcncx | ehnde that stinks log a bug report |
| 00:17.16 | ehnde | that's a bug? |
| 00:17.23 | nsadmin | logs stink! |
| 00:17.33 | nsadmin | oh, wait, that's love |
| 00:17.34 | pcncx | ehnde I wouldn't think changing a font would close a network conenction |
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| 00:18.27 | pattonb_ | nsadmin: initially I thought there was a rogue dhcp server on the subnet. I disconnected cables one at a time ( 12 switches connect to the inside interface) and I could ping the rogue address , it was not untill I unplugged eth0 ( dirty interface) that the pings would stop |
| 00:18.56 | ehnde | ok, i'll send in a bug report |
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| 00:19.20 | SparFux1 | nope, still I get bad kernel version. |
| 00:19.38 | pcncx | SparFux1 that is what I am working on compiling a bad kernel! |
| 00:19.46 | nsadmin | pattonb_, so you've located the dhcp server? |
| 00:20.18 | SparFux1 | pcncx: me not. I want a good kernel with dahdi. |
| 00:20.27 | nsadmin | thing is I probably need more info, and I need a few mins first |
| 00:20.33 | pcncx | SparFux1 I want a bad kernel with RTAI |
| 00:20.37 | SparFux1 | module-assistent claims, my fine kernel has bad version. |
| 00:21.24 | pattonb_ | nsadmin: yes it appears to be on the outside/dirty interface. I have tried to stop udp port 67 & 68 on eth0 ( outside interface) , yet I still see the rogue address answering bootp requests ????? |
| 00:21.26 | pcncx | all the i2c stuff looks like I could chop it out |
| 00:21.37 | pcncx | I don't use any of that sensor stuff |
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| 00:22.10 | pcncx | sound is history too no speakers connected even |
| 00:22.44 | pcncx | has anyone here successfully removed i2c and related from their kernel? |
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| 00:23.08 | SparFux1 | pcncx: why not. It's possible to remove that. |
| 00:23.27 | pcncx | SparFux1 yeah I figured as much probably adds a nice chunk of latency being there too |
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| 00:23.51 | SparFux1 | pcncx: if you chop it out? |
| 00:24.02 | nsadmin | pattonb_ weird. |
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| 00:24.05 | pcncx | SparFux1 then I'll be to the good |
| 00:24.28 | nsadmin | ok, so you have a debian box you're using as a gw router? |
| 00:25.30 | pcncx | do I need any of this CPU frequency stuff? |
| 00:25.40 | pattonb_ | nsadmin: yes very odd |
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| 00:26.57 | nsadmin | pattonb_ or, what is it you're using as a router? |
| 00:27.34 | pattonb_ | nsadmin: basic setup, linux box is gateway,router and dhcp server, that's all |
| 00:27.44 | nsadmin | oh, ok |
| 00:27.58 | nsadmin | let's name that gateway |
| 00:28.18 | nsadmin | I guess we could call it gw |
| 00:28.18 | pattonb_ | nsadmin: name that gateway ???? |
| 00:28.25 | pcncx | I'm on page 4 in google and still can't figure out what the shpchp module even is but it sure seems like a lot of people have problems with the thing |
| 00:28.27 | pattonb_ | nsadmin: ok |
| 00:28.32 | nsadmin | for this conversation :) |
| 00:28.49 | nsadmin | google has mroe than three pages?! |
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| 00:29.27 | pcncx | nsadmin it appears like google is prepared to dish about 10,000 pages about this if I let it |
| 00:29.29 | nsadmin | what is gw running exactly? lenny? |
| 00:29.41 | nsadmin | tall dish |
| 00:29.57 | pattonb_ | nsadmin: gw is running lenny |
| 00:30.02 | pcncx | nsadmin you wouldn't happen to know what shpchp is would you? |
| 00:30.18 | nsadmin | no, sure don't |
| 00:30.36 | nsadmin | and what is gw running to serve the router function? |
| 00:31.01 | pattonb_ | nsadmin:iptables |
| 00:31.12 | nsadmin | so it's a customized ruleset? |
| 00:31.26 | pattonb_ | nsadmin: nothing fancy, nat & masq |
| 00:31.41 | pcncx | nsadmin lsmod | grep shpchp |
| 00:32.07 | nsadmin | pcncx, oh it's a module? try modinfo shpchp |
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| 00:32.59 | pcncx | nsadmin hey thanks it sounds important |
| 00:33.10 | Ring0` | Hey, (delivered to command: procmail -a "$EXTENSION") means where? |
| 00:33.25 | Ring0` | I can't see it in INBOX in my RoundCube |
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| 00:34.32 | nsadmin | procmail can be a mail delivery agent (MDA) |
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| 00:36.40 | Ring0` | nsadmin: If you could check this out > http://wklejto.pl/txt79441 |
| 00:37.10 | Ring0` | I'm logging in on account "postmaster", server "my-domain.com". Should I see this email there or I missed anything |
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| 00:38.27 | jordanm | Ring0`: typically postmaster is aliased |
| 00:39.45 | Ring0` | jordanm: How should I understand this? |
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| 00:40.56 | nsadmin | it looks like the message was passed thru |
| 00:41.26 | nsadmin | it also looks like postmaster@somedomain.com became root@somedomain.com |
| 00:41.57 | Ring0` | I was sending this mail to postmaster@domain.com, so I really don't know what means root here in any kind |
| 00:42.38 | nsadmin | looks like postmaster@ forwards to root@ |
| 00:42.57 | nsadmin | or maybe it rewrites the address as opposed to forwarding |
| 00:43.00 | Ring0` | nsadmin: That's too bad, root is not permitted to log in on mail |
| 00:43.14 | nsadmin | can you ssh in? |
| 00:43.21 | Ring0` | Oh |
| 00:43.22 | Ring0` | lol |
| 00:43.28 | Ring0` | it's in /var/mail/ |
| 00:43.31 | nsadmin | do you have control of the box as root? |
| 00:43.39 | Ring0` | as "nobody" |
| 00:43.51 | Ring0` | yes I do, I just found out that those emails are in /var/mail/nobody |
| 00:43.53 | Ring0` | but why |
| 00:44.03 | nsadmin | probably you want to reconfigure your aliases |
| 00:44.20 | nsadmin | and as a first step, you want to fully explore what they are now |
| 00:46.45 | Ring0` | nsadmin: You mean the headers? |
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| 00:47.48 | nsadmin | somewhere, postfix must have aliases, which basically say things like "if mail comes in for postmaster, rewrite it so it comes to root" or to nobody |
| 00:48.08 | nsadmin | probably you want to reconfigure your aliases |
| 00:48.09 | Ring0` | fine, so I start searching in /etc/postfix |
| 00:48.26 | nsadmin | you're welcome to do that... |
| 00:48.43 | nsadmin | but you can also see if you can find out how to reconfigure the aliases |
| 00:49.10 | nsadmin | either by looking in /etc/postfix like you say and doin alotta guessin |
| 00:49.26 | nsadmin | or check docs, or google |
| 00:50.24 | Ring0` | nsadmin: I got it, alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases & alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases |
| 00:50.30 | pcncx | nsadmin for some stuff checking Google is like asking Mr. Magoo |
| 00:50.35 | Ring0` | where /etc/aliases has line "postmaster: root" |
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| 00:51.12 | nsadmin | and "root: nobody" maybe? |
| 00:51.15 | Ring0` | So shall I just comment out those alias_* lines? Why it redirects mail to this. |
| 00:51.22 | Ring0` | nsadmin: Nope, just postmaster: root |
| 00:51.32 | Ring0` | and webmaster: root (I had 2 mails created) |
| 00:51.36 | nsadmin | what user can you log into |
| 00:52.00 | Ring0` | Log where? |
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| 00:52.27 | nsadmin | do you have a plain user on this box where the postfix is? |
| 00:52.46 | Ring0` | yes |
| 00:52.51 | nsadmin | name? |
| 00:52.52 | Ring0` | postmaster and webmaster are plain users |
| 00:53.06 | nsadmin | understood, but not system users |
| 00:53.11 | nsadmin | something like |
| 00:53.12 | nsadmin | ringo |
| 00:53.29 | nsadmin | (some drummer dude) |
| 00:53.57 | nsadmin | and if you do, does ringo or whatever that user is receive (and send) mail"? |
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| 00:54.59 | Ring0` | I hope, I understood you correctly. You ask if this user@domain.com can send email from his name? |
| 00:55.19 | nsadmin | I ask about different user |
| 00:55.28 | pcncx | nsadmin thanks modinfo was a great help sorting through this list here |
| 00:55.36 | nsadmin | is this -your- box? |
| 00:55.39 | nsadmin | welcome |
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| 00:58.27 | Ring0` | nsadmin: rented machine |
| 00:58.54 | nsadmin | and it's for your domain? |
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| 00:59.15 | antizeus | omg |
| 00:59.24 | antizeus | hi |
| 00:59.32 | nsadmin | nyg |
| 00:59.48 | nsadmin | btlx |
| 00:59.54 | antizeus | i was trying to update my debian lenny to squeezy. but something occured then i am using irssi from console now. |
| 01:00.00 | Ring0` | nsadmin: Domain has NS'es redirected to this machine |
| 01:00.09 | antizeus | my keyboard isn't working in the graphical environment, i have no idea of what it happened. |
| 01:00.37 | nsadmin | Ring0`, so the rented box is somedomain.com |
| 01:00.53 | pcncx | antizeus try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 01:00.56 | nsadmin | how do you get your mail for that domain? |
| 01:01.10 | Ring0` | nsadmin: Nope, rented box is xxx-xxx-xxx-xxx.kimsufi.com (in ovh) but domain is in separate company |
| 01:01.21 | antizeus | pcncx: is there some way of doing it without quitting off the irssi w |
| 01:01.26 | Ring0` | with DNS'es set to xxx-xxxx-xxx-etc |
| 01:01.31 | pcncx | antizeus alt+F3 |
| 01:01.32 | antizeus | i am using console now with irssi. |
| 01:01.38 | antizeus | pcncx: all right. |
| 01:01.43 | nsadmin | so the forward dns is set but not the reverse |
| 01:01.49 | pcncx | antizeus you are probably on F1 now |
| 01:02.09 | antizeus | pcncx: yes. |
| 01:02.10 | antizeus | i got it. |
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| 01:02.13 | antizeus | pcncx: thank you. |
| 01:02.16 | antizeus | let me try that. |
| 01:02.22 | pcncx | antizeus hey hope it works for you |
| 01:02.29 | antizeus | pcncx: :) |
| 01:02.57 | nsadmin | Ring0`, do you have mail coming to you thru that domain? |
| 01:03.39 | Ring0` | nsadmin: yes but they are put into /mail/nobody. That's the deal why |
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| 01:04.00 | k1ng | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0oVlteN64I |
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| 01:04.11 | nsadmin | do you have ringo@somedomain.com? |
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| 01:04.34 | antizeus | all right, pcncx . i will restart now on graphical environment. |
| 01:04.45 | pcncx | antizeus give it a shot |
| 01:04.50 | antizeus | thank you. let me see whether it works. |
| 01:04.51 | antizeus | yeap. |
| 01:07.03 | antizeus | pcncx: it still keeps with the same problem. i don't know what causes it. when i log out in graphical environment my keyboard seems to not work well. i have chosen the correct keyboard, however it still doesn't work. when i type something the scroll led blinks as though the keyboard were mad. |
| 01:07.15 | pcncx | antizeus have you looked at the X server log? |
| 01:07.32 | pcncx | antizeus it is in /var/log |
| 01:07.46 | antizeus | pcncx: no. it all started when i tried to change the version lenny to squeeze. |
| 01:07.51 | antizeus | pcncx: i will take a look there. |
| 01:08.07 | pcncx | antizeus less /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 01:08.37 | pcncx | antizeus you may find a clue as to what is going on in there |
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| 01:10.17 | antizeus | pcncx: i found this inf there: 'The core keyboard device wasn't specified explicitly in layout , using the first device'. |
| 01:10.25 | antizeus | i found it in Xorg.0.log. |
| 01:10.42 | pcncx | antizeus apparently the first device isn't the best device in your case |
| 01:11.01 | v_V | hi, im a newbie to debian with a little experience with ubuntu. and i know that ubuntu comes from debian, so im now trying debian. what troubles is, debian doesn't install the proper drivers for me, so i decide to install it by hand. and , the problem is, i don't know how to find the correct drivers. thanks for reading this long words. |
| 01:11.15 | antizeus | pcncx: well. it is what i was using before updating to squeeze version. |
| 01:11.25 | antizeus | that is why i don't know what it is happening. |
| 01:11.32 | antizeus | i will try choosing other keyboard. |
| 01:11.34 | antizeus | hold on. |
| 01:11.36 | pcncx | antizeus something must have changed |
| 01:12.23 | pcncx | v_V I like Debian better than Ubuntu but there is a bit more configuring in the beginning |
| 01:12.35 | v_V | pcncx: yes, i see. |
| 01:12.47 | nogo | everybody has golden dotfiles over the years |
| 01:12.55 | pcncx | v_V when you are done you should have a cleaner system though |
| 01:12.59 | nogo | you just need a cp command |
| 01:13.11 | nogo | or copy&paste skills |
| 01:13.19 | pcncx | nogo yeah I use some mighty old modelines sometimes |
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| 01:13.40 | nogo | don't forget your golden font collections |
| 01:13.52 | nsadmin | Ring0`, still there? |
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| 01:14.05 | v_V | pcncx: exactly, debian runs faster, and takes less memory |
| 01:14.08 | Ring0` | nsadmin: Yes, sorry. |
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| 01:14.29 | antizeus | pcncx: i did dpkg-reconfigure, i chose other keyboard but it still keeps with same weird behavior. |
| 01:14.31 | nogo | lfs is more fast |
| 01:14.35 | nsadmin | so I'm trying to figure out if your -regular- mail is getting to you |
| 01:14.40 | pcncx | v_V in Ubuntu one of my systems idled at about a .2 load Debian settles to 0 |
| 01:14.58 | antizeus | pcncx: what are the devices that control the keyboard w |
| 01:15.11 | antizeus | i say, what can it be influencing the keyboard's behavior w |
| 01:15.13 | v_V | pcncx: any suggestion to me on how to find the correct 'drivers' ? i thought the 'drivers' are a part of the kernel |
| 01:15.21 | nsadmin | but I'm starting to get the impression you don't have a regular, plain-user email acct there |
| 01:15.26 | pcncx | antizeus honestly I never had much of a problem with keyboards so I never fooled with them |
| 01:16.05 | pcncx | antizeus I remember years ago having to do stuff to make the backspace key work |
| 01:16.10 | nogo | do you have a unusual keyboard? |
| 01:16.27 | antizeus | pcncx: lol |
| 01:16.33 | pcncx | who else remembere ^h |
| 01:16.46 | antizeus | pcncx: that must be boring. |
| 01:16.54 | nsadmin | Ring0`, so is this a box you're just now starting to set up? |
| 01:17.01 | pcncx | antizeus it was pretty annoying |
| 01:17.17 | pcncx | antizeus but backspace has worked on Linux for a long time now |
| 01:17.39 | Ring0` | nsadmin: I don't know if I don't have it, how can I check it |
| 01:17.51 | antizeus | pcncx: is there a way of restarting all the process of changing from lenny to squeeze again w |
| 01:17.58 | nogo | slaps pcncx with a old terminal keyboard |
| 01:18.06 | antizeus | haha nogo . |
| 01:18.24 | pcncx | nogo man years ago that is just how it was |
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| 01:18.41 | nsadmin | Ring0`, so is this a new rental? |
| 01:18.50 | Ring0` | nsadmin: kinda |
| 01:19.17 | nsadmin | ok, and you're trying to get your mail domain working, is that right? |
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| 01:20.19 | Ring0` | nsadmin: nope, domain is working correctly, it just don't go to proper user |
| 01:20.22 | pcncx | antizeus do you have a USB keyboard? |
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| 01:20.37 | Ring0` | nsadmin: I'm sending mail to postmaster and it's thrown into nobody |
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| 01:20.43 | nsadmin | what are all the users that have mail? |
| 01:21.01 | nsadmin | we need a plain, NOT system user |
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| 01:21.16 | nsadmin | postmaster, nobody, root are all system accounts |
| 01:22.06 | Ring0` | nsadmin: I created it using "useradd postmaster" |
| 01:22.13 | Ring0` | so it's still system user? |
| 01:22.24 | antizeus | hmm. pcncx i find the problem isn't with keyboard. it is relative to the xorg configs. i ran apt-get dist-upgrade and it noticed me of existing dependencies with xserver-xorg-cyrx. |
| 01:23.01 | nsadmin | it's a special user, that name is special, as you've seen by looking at aliases |
| 01:23.21 | antizeus | xserver-xorg-video-cyrix and xserver-xorg-video-nsc it is informing these dependencies are unsolved. |
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| 01:23.32 | nsadmin | you need another user, maybe called george, paul or john |
| 01:23.39 | antizeus | maybe it is making the keyboard behave oddly. |
| 01:23.54 | nsadmin | or possibly yoko |
| 01:24.11 | pcncx | nsadmin just so long as it isn't yoko we all know what happened when she showed up! |
| 01:24.18 | Ring0` | nsadmin: fine, I will! |
| 01:24.24 | nsadmin | or pete_best |
| 01:25.03 | nsadmin | Ring0`, then, you want to first make sure the account can send and receive mail normally |
| 01:25.14 | nsadmin | what account name? |
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| 01:25.32 | Ring0` | lets say "johnsmith" |
| 01:25.58 | nsadmin | ok, once you find johnsmith can send and receive mail, |
| 01:26.09 | nsadmin | put "root: johnsmith" in aliases |
| 01:26.20 | nsadmin | after you do that, restart postfix |
| 01:26.46 | nsadmin | make sure there is not a root: nobody |
| 01:27.36 | nsadmin | then send mail to root, and to postmaster |
| 01:27.46 | nsadmin | then see if you got it in johnsmith |
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| 01:30.53 | aidan | Hello, where can I find some more info about this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=593213 |
| 01:31.11 | aidan | like, how to fix it |
| 01:31.26 | aidan | It doesn't seem to say if it's open or closed |
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| 01:32.01 | jordanm | aidan: its open |
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| 01:32.27 | pcncx | aidan now you can see why it comes with "NO WARRANTY" |
| 01:33.42 | aidan | pcncx: does debian come with a warranty? |
| 01:33.53 | jordanm | aidan: no |
| 01:34.03 | aidan | so what point is pcncx making? |
| 01:34.09 | nogo | do you know any linux distro with warranty? |
| 01:34.13 | nsadmin | they'll refund none of the zero money you paid for it! |
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| 01:34.22 | aidan | unless it was a joke ... in which case, whoosh |
| 01:34.26 | pcncx | nogo I bet Redhat would sell you one |
| 01:34.27 | jordanm | aidan: part of the GPL is no warrenty |
| 01:34.37 | aidan | jordanm: right, I know this |
| 01:34.45 | streuner_ | wonders what kind of warrenty windows give.... |
| 01:34.47 | nsadmin | nogo: there are service contracts |
| 01:35.03 | nogo | korean hdds have no warranty either... |
| 01:35.09 | nogo | runs... |
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| 01:35.19 | aidan | What is CTAN? http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Comp/comp.text.tex/2010-08/msg00567.html |
| 01:35.35 | pcncx | isn't that the pearl thing? |
| 01:35.39 | pcncx | perl even |
| 01:35.42 | nogo | cpan? |
| 01:35.45 | nsadmin | COmprehensive TeX Archive Network |
| 01:36.02 | jordanm | !ctan |
| 01:36.06 | pcncx | ah a tex thing |
| 01:36.18 | nogo | who is still using tex? |
| 01:36.25 | pcncx | freaky math heads |
| 01:36.45 | aidan | math :( |
| 01:36.47 | nsadmin | math people, physics, academic folks |
| 01:37.01 | pcncx | yeah like .000001% of the population has use for tex |
| 01:37.03 | nogo | iirc, only vampires used tex in the past around here |
| 01:37.26 | nogo | the vampires were pirates too |
| 01:37.29 | pcncx | but those that do walk with the undead |
| 01:37.34 | aidan | I'd do anything to be able to render equations without tex |
| 01:37.37 | nsadmin | latex is better/easier |
| 01:37.40 | aidan | not anything, I take that back. |
| 01:38.05 | pcncx | lyx is pretty cool |
| 01:38.20 | nsadmin | would you... lean up against a tree with an apple on your head? |
| 01:38.36 | aidan | latex is a front end to tex nsadmin |
| 01:38.45 | aidan | if you're using the math stuff outside of a document, then you're using tex |
| 01:38.47 | nsadmin | no, it's macros |
| 01:38.53 | pcncx | aidan lyx is a pretty gui for it all |
| 01:39.05 | nsadmin | lyx is a front end :) |
| 01:39.23 | nogo | i have a tex book with a black cover, it's written by a crappy wizard |
| 01:39.28 | nsadmin | I suppose macros coudl be considered a front end |
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| 01:39.47 | beardy | uses|d it without math.. anyone that wants to write something that should look good should.. |
| 01:39.48 | pcncx | nsadmin or maybe just a grille? |
| 01:40.05 | aidan | lyx = gui, latex = frontend .. in that it's providing a nicer way to write tex, but tex does all the heavy lifting |
| 01:40.22 | nsadmin | yep, that's accurate |
| 01:40.31 | aidan | beardy: yeh, it really looks nice .. and you can do some really cool stuff with it like diagrams |
| 01:40.42 | nogo | does tex have alternatives? |
| 01:40.59 | yebyen | lyx works great, i used it to do physics homework all the time last quarter |
| 01:41.04 | beardy | aidan: Yep. And proper page numbering, contents, references.. and so on. |
| 01:41.07 | pcncx | nogo I think that depends on who you ask |
| 01:41.21 | nogo | i mean, for a dummy windows user |
| 01:41.48 | beardy | nogo: miktex is one |
| 01:41.50 | nsadmin | well the thing about tex is you should be able to build it on any platform that supports it, and then anything you feed to any of them should be exactly the same when you print them |
| 01:41.57 | streuner_ | a dummy windows user wouldnt use tex |
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| 01:42.00 | pcncx | nogo they got notepad what else do they need? |
| 01:42.15 | nogo | beardy: gee, more like m$ office |
| 01:42.29 | beardy | nogo: ? |
| 01:42.44 | jordanm | streuner_: I am betting the windows version of emacs still has tex-mode |
| 01:42.47 | nsadmin | tex and latex are very powerful |
| 01:43.05 | pcncx | nsadmin that is what she said! |
| 01:43.10 | jordanm | and latex-mode |
| 01:43.26 | nogo | what can tex do and m$ office or desktop-publishing software can't do? |
| 01:43.46 | pcncx | nogo baffle nearly everyone? |
| 01:43.49 | beardy | Everything. And do it properly, that's the main thing. |
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| 01:45.01 | doublehp | in top, what do %ni and %wa mean ? |
| 01:45.28 | nsadmin | mantop! |
| 01:45.45 | nsadmin | or man ps probably |
| 01:45.46 | pcncx | doublehp they're both tributes to Monty Python |
| 01:46.00 | beardy | doublehp: Nice percentage (of CPU time), and Waiting percentage (of processes). |
| 01:46.08 | doublehp | nsadmin: man top dos not describe the header section |
| 01:46.12 | nogo | my ni and wa are almost zero |
| 01:46.25 | aidan | I think eventually mathml will replace equations on the web |
| 01:46.49 | nsadmin | mathml is just a language... parsers could generate latex |
| 01:46.53 | doublehp | beardy: what is the nice time ? i thought the nice was a parameter for the scheduler ... why does my CPU spend time in nice ? |
| 01:47.12 | doublehp | beardy: and what are processes "WAiting" for ? |
| 01:47.18 | beardy | doublehp: It spends time on processes run with a nice value. |
| 01:47.30 | nsadmin | io? |
| 01:47.36 | beardy | doublehp: Processes are waiting for I/O to happen. A disk read/write for instance. |
| 01:47.39 | aidan | at the moment my authors write equations in TeX format (e.g. \x + \int x ... etc), this gets converted to SVG, which gets converted into a PDF document using xsl-fo. Then displayed on the web using PNG. Nightmare. |
| 01:48.04 | nogo | doublehp: maybe some stupid userspace daemons are playing your kernel scaduler |
| 01:48.05 | doublehp | beardy: can't scheduler jump to next task instead of waiting ? |
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| 01:48.19 | nsadmin | depends |
| 01:48.35 | nsadmin | some disk i/o could block all processes |
| 01:48.38 | beardy | doublehp: It does. AFAIK the waiting percentage shows how many processes are waiting. |
| 01:49.34 | doublehp | so, a niced process will go in %ni instead of ... %us ? |
| 01:49.40 | beardy | doublehp: Yes. |
| 01:49.45 | pcncx | I mever really noticed that line before |
| 01:49.54 | nogo | doublehp: did you get super-high cpu usage when you played a simple mp3 or a movie? |
| 01:50.10 | doublehp | nogo: no |
| 01:50.15 | nogo | great |
| 01:50.32 | doublehp | nogo: or, only because X was bugged |
| 01:50.39 | nogo | bugged? |
| 01:51.06 | pcncx | I can remember having to patch X once |
| 01:51.07 | doublehp | nogo: mpd is known to use 13% for a single MP3 |
| 01:51.23 | doublehp | nogo: mplayer usually takes less CPU in framebuffured console than broken X |
| 01:51.24 | nogo | it's too high for a modern pc |
| 01:51.42 | nogo | it sould be less than %4 |
| 01:52.12 | nogo | and a dvd shouldn't use more than 14% |
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| 01:53.02 | doublehp | nogo: depends on the box |
| 01:53.03 | bookmark | what up |
| 01:53.06 | nogo | doublehp: i think your kernel scheduler is not optimized yet |
| 01:53.28 | bookmark | hey, i'm wondering.... how can i debian dvd #1 as having source packages? |
| 01:53.35 | pcncx | yeah I'm stoked to get a good kernel on this machine can't wait to see it |
| 01:53.37 | bookmark | apt-cdrom or something? |
| 01:53.39 | bookmark | apt-dvd? |
| 01:54.07 | bookmark | i need to do like... apt-get source mesa-utils off the dvd |
| 01:54.16 | nogo | i got 0% when i played a mp3 |
| 01:54.23 | nogo | haha |
| 01:54.24 | alkii | can I run a perl script verbosely? |
| 01:54.34 | bookmark | i need to do like... apt-get source mesa-utils off the dvd, but it says it needs a correct URI for source packages |
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| 01:54.58 | doublehp | nogo: I always wondered why a DVD was taking a P3 500 to 100%, while a divx only 80% of a P2 350. DVD should take 0% if the frames were sent to the video card directly using PCI burst, and decoded by the GCPU ... |
| 01:55.05 | qq- | bookmark, try apt-cdrom add |
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| 01:55.49 | nogo | doublehp: dvd consums about a old 800mhz cpu, so, it's possible |
| 01:55.56 | pcncx | well I've made some progress on this system today happy Debianing to everyone I'm out |
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| 01:56.19 | nogo | doublehp: or a new 400mhz cpu |
| 01:56.53 | bookmark | qq-: i already tried that |
| 01:57.10 | nogo | doublehp: so, i said, you might use ubuntu/mint and you don't fix the bugs yet |
| 01:57.34 | qq- | bookmark, and .. ? |
| 01:57.46 | doublehp | nogo: but why are you asking me about video ? |
| 01:58.08 | doublehp | nogo: and whould I migrate ? or fix any bug ? |
| 01:58.29 | nogo | doublehp: what's your gpu? |
| 01:58.47 | bookmark | qq-: "E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list" same thing |
| 01:58.55 | doublehp | nogo: i don't have GPU in my server |
| 01:59.02 | nogo | doublehp: eh? |
| 01:59.19 | nogo | doublehp: how can you display something... |
| 01:59.20 | bookmark | maybe there is no source code on the debian dvd#1 but would think there should be |
| 01:59.40 | doublehp | nogo: and on Gentoo desktop, i have 3 R4350 |
| 01:59.49 | qq- | bookmark, add then "deb-src file:/media/dvd blablah" |
| 01:59.53 | doublehp | nogo: i don't display anything on my Debian machine |
| 02:00.06 | bookmark | yeah i did that too |
| 02:00.28 | doublehp | nogo: i just use the beeper to communicate about any issue |
| 02:00.30 | nogo | doublehp: so, your desktop is just a x server? |
| 02:00.32 | qq- | bookmark, /msg dpkg ssb |
| 02:00.57 | doublehp | nogo: if one day Xorg ever works correctly, it will be |
| 02:01.39 | nogo | doublehp: i used to play on this. it's amazing |
| 02:02.31 | doublehp | wonder how much nogo is wrong about his network ... |
| 02:02.39 | nogo | what? |
| 02:03.41 | bookmark | qq-: i try " |
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| 02:04.17 | bookmark | qq-: i try "deb-src cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.6 ...." yada is that what you meant? |
| 02:04.54 | qq- | bookmark, are youn sure that cd has sources ? |
| 02:05.03 | nsadmin | bookmark: you could try apt-cdrom add |
| 02:05.03 | bookmark | no not entirely |
| 02:05.08 | qq- | s /youn |
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| 02:05.22 | qq- | !ssb |
| 02:05.23 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 02:05.24 | bookmark | so.... i need all the durn dvds |
| 02:05.30 | nsadmin | no |
| 02:05.36 | qq- | bookmark, ^^ |
| 02:05.46 | mick_laptop | hi everyone, i get an ssl error warning when i connect to http://video.debconf.org (notice, *not* https) |
| 02:05.47 | nsadmin | for what? |
| 02:05.50 | bookmark | man i have to go to walmart in the middle of the night haha |
| 02:05.54 | mick_laptop | i find taht kind of odd |
| 02:06.06 | mick_laptop | bookmark: oh that sucks |
| 02:06.19 | bookmark | is there anyone that knows if mesa-utils source is on dvd#1? |
| 02:06.38 | jhutchins_lt | mick_laptop: I don't. |
| 02:06.41 | mick_laptop | bookmark: the incompetant parents with their children who are tired and aren't allowed to get some sleep |
| 02:06.45 | nsadmin | just download the package |
| 02:07.10 | mick_laptop | jhutchins_lt: odd thing is that it says: You have asked Firefox to connect |
| 02:07.11 | mick_laptop | securely to treasurer.spi-inc.org, but we can't confirm that your connection is secure. |
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| 02:07.48 | jhutchins_lt | mick_laptop: You appear to have some additional fun stuff on your system. What version of iceweasel on what release? |
| 02:08.14 | Gm4n | does iptables -F change the default chain policies, too? |
| 02:08.28 | mick_laptop | it isn't from debian - since it was a debian related site, i decided to ask in here :) |
| 02:08.32 | mick_laptop | it is from osx |
| 02:08.49 | bookmark | i just want the source code to glxheads... hmm |
| 02:09.45 | jhutchins_lt | mick_laptop: I would say you've got something doing tracking on your browser. spi-inc.org shouldn't be involved in video.debconf.org |
| 02:10.30 | mick_laptop | though, i doubt that. i use NoScript, Adblock Plus etc. |
| 02:10.36 | jhutchins_lt | Ooh, that's wierd. Different page. |
| 02:10.54 | mick_laptop | and SPI does have to do w/ debian |
| 02:11.03 | jhutchins_lt | Dunno. Read the page. |
| 02:11.05 | mick_laptop | so it doesn't look nefarious |
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| 02:11.15 | mick_laptop | jhutchins_lt: what do you mean? |
| 02:12.23 | mick_laptop | that is funny |
| 02:12.33 | mick_laptop | it doesn't issue an error in safari |
| 02:12.41 | mick_laptop | that is just odd |
| 02:12.45 | jhutchins_lt | WEll, the first time I tried I got a very simple directory listing page, now I get the Joerg Jaspert page. |
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| 02:13.25 | mick_laptop | even weirder is that that listing has nothing to do w/ debconf videos |
| 02:13.33 | mick_laptop | debian + ubuntu releases? |
| 02:13.36 | mick_laptop | odd |
| 02:13.45 | mick_laptop | might be that the dns is screwy |
| 02:13.55 | drone77 | mick_laptop: i get it also, visiting http://video.debconf.org brings me to https://treasurer.spi-inc.org/ with an ssl warning |
| 02:13.56 | mick_laptop | and that they did some hack to get streaming to work |
| 02:14.01 | thriftyarnie | hey, howdo i configure multiple monitors in kde using and ati fivexxx series card |
| 02:14.45 | mick_laptop | now to find the real archives to the debconf videos |
| 02:16.44 | mick_laptop | found it |
| 02:16.47 | mick_laptop | http://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2010/debconf10/high/ |
| 02:19.47 | thriftyarnie | does anyone know how to configure multiple monitors in kde? |
| 02:20.20 | doublehp | thriftyarnie: how many ? |
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| 02:20.58 | nogo | i prefer to buy a high-end monitor with dual-input |
| 02:21.13 | nogo | that's more green |
| 02:21.31 | doublehp | nogo: URL ? |
| 02:21.35 | nogo | eizo |
| 02:21.49 | nogo | do you know eizo? |
| 02:21.59 | doublehp | URL ? |
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| 02:22.10 | nogo | give me ips panel, nothing else |
| 02:22.12 | doublehp | thriftyarnie: how many monitors, and how many cards ? |
| 02:22.34 | nogo | hates tn and mva |
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| 02:23.43 | wipt | I'm trying to set a condition, I know I would do a modulus in C with %, but I'm running into issues here... if { $x % 10 } == 0 |
| 02:23.49 | wipt | I want to see if the value is a multiple of ten, if so, print it, if not, print a period |
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| 02:24.06 | wipt | bourne shell script :P |
| 02:25.37 | qq- | wrong channel ? |
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| 02:28.55 | jordanm | wipt: if you have to do anything other than _very_ basic math, you shouldn't be using a shell script |
| 02:29.12 | jordanm | it doesn't handle floats for example |
| 02:32.38 | doublehp | nogo: explain me how an Eizo dual input monitor can be better than two monitors together ? |
| 02:32.47 | nogo | sure |
| 02:32.59 | nogo | less power consum |
| 02:33.13 | doublehp | no; i asked "why" ? |
| 02:33.22 | nogo | if it's size is big |
| 02:33.33 | qq- | !ot |
| 02:33.33 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 02:33.50 | nogo | i don't care. i just tell you i will take it |
| 02:34.09 | doublehp | why do you think I would want several monirots ? |
| 02:36.27 | simonrvn | !ot |
| 02:36.28 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 02:36.44 | simonrvn | move over there or stfu. thank you. |
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| 02:38.30 | bookmark | can anyone tell me how to get the source code for mesa-utils? |
| 02:38.34 | bookmark | for lenny |
| 02:38.56 | simonrvn | deb-src in sources.list will help |
| 02:38.59 | bookmark | shit ill just type it in if osmeone has a link |
| 02:39.01 | simonrvn | !source package |
| 02:39.02 | dpkg | [source package] a set of files used to make a Debian binary <package>. The main file is the Debian source control file (<dsc>) which lists the other required files; use "dget http://.../foo.dsc" (see <devscripts>) to download the dsc and all referenced files. There is also a <tarball> and (usually) patches in <diff.gz> or <debsrc3.0> format. The dsc contains checksums and is cryptographically signed by the uploader. <policy> <nmg> |
| 02:39.24 | bookmark | but i don't want to use the internet sources |
| 02:39.35 | simonrvn | apt-get source does similar things.. |
| 02:39.39 | simonrvn | uh |
| 02:39.54 | bookmark | is there some way to get it on dvd? |
| 02:39.57 | bookmark | or cd |
| 02:40.06 | simonrvn | !cd contents |
| 02:40.07 | dpkg | To find out what is on what disk, examine the package lists within the list-{cd,dvd} subdirectories for the relevant architecture at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/ (e.g. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/list-cd/). |
| 02:41.02 | simonrvn | same exact thing fyi... |
| 02:41.34 | wipt | jordanm: I'm not doing anything fancy, i don't think... |
| 02:43.20 | jordanm | wipt: (()) for math, and == is non-portable bashism |
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| 02:44.12 | jordanm | wipt: err, $(()) |
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| 02:47.36 | bookmark | this is a load of crap |
| 02:47.39 | bookmark | hehe |
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| 02:59.57 | kingsley | If both lilo and grub are installed, is it possible to tell which the computer would boot with, without actually rebooting? If so, how? |
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| 03:03.00 | somiaj | kingsley: You'll probabaly have to look though a datadump of the mbr -- though I woudln't know what to look for. |
| 03:03.45 | ma3x | hi if you got these ports open 12345 31337 32771 32772 32773 32774 does that mean your box is messed up, rooted? |
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| 03:04.29 | kingsley | ma3x: You may want to check which processes are using those ports. |
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| 03:05.48 | ma3x | kingsley: shows nothing about those ports |
| 03:05.57 | ma3x | but they are open |
| 03:06.31 | jordanm | ma3x: how are you testing this? |
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| 03:07.19 | Warlord | Hi, I have installed freenx and for some reason it times out? |
| 03:07.47 | ma3x | jordanm: with nmap and telnet ip port |
| 03:08.00 | ma3x | and netstat -p |
| 03:08.13 | Warlord | times out after this: Negotiating link parameters |
| 03:08.35 | ma3x | hm about netstat --all -p |
| 03:08.54 | ma3x | tcp 0 0 *:12345 *:* LISTEN - tcp 0 0 *:31337 *:* LISTEN - udp 0 0 *:31337 *:* - |
| 03:09.46 | Warlord | anyone? |
| 03:09.52 | nogo | not me |
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| 03:11.00 | ma3x | tcp 0 0 *:31337 *:* LISTEN 16087/portsentry |
| 03:13.07 | jordanm | ma3x: don't post to the channel, and that pretty unreadable here |
| 03:13.13 | jordanm | !tell ma3x about paste |
| 03:13.24 | jordanm | ma3x: is this a VPS or VM? |
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| 03:17.04 | nogo | ma3x: http://sentrytools.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 03:23.38 | ma3x | yup noticed its sentry |
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| 03:57.51 | tharkun | Any ops arround ? |
| 03:58.35 | qq- | why |
| 03:59.30 | tharkun | qq-: because |
| 03:59.39 | meder | tharkun: are you a SO user |
| 03:59.54 | tharkun | SO ? |
| 03:59.55 | meder | stackOverflow |
| 03:59.58 | tharkun | no |
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| 04:00.45 | tharkun | i know there is the !ops command but i am in no hurry |
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| 04:02.32 | tharkun | themill: Please ping me whenever you are available. Holder of the queen's English ;P |
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| 04:04.41 | rvalles | tharkun: "arround" -> around |
| 04:05.16 | tharkun | rvalles: half a bottle of vodka entitles me to some typoes ;P |
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| 04:06.18 | rvalles | tharkun: I used to make that typo years ago, didn't notice until somebody corrected me :P |
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| 04:07.29 | tharkun | rvalles: I know it's taken me quite some time to learn English ;P |
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| 04:18.44 | Warlord | awesome support here |
| 04:19.16 | tharkun | Warlord: ?? |
| 04:19.38 | Warlord | no one answered me |
| 04:19.45 | Warlord | [08:07:20] <Warlord> Hi, I have installed freenx and for some reason it times out? |
| 04:19.49 | Warlord | [08:08:15] <Warlord> times out after this: Negotiating link parameters |
| 04:20.24 | tharkun | Warlord: do you have the logs of the server ? |
| 04:20.34 | Warlord | nop |
| 04:20.52 | tharkun | Then get them most of the information to fix your isue is there |
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| 04:21.25 | tharkun | Look for or ask for the /var/log/auth.log file |
| 04:22.40 | tharkun | Warlord: Some kind of time reference would help the sysadmin to get the meaningfull segment of the log file |
| 04:22.56 | Warlord | I am the sys admin |
| 04:23.31 | tharkun | Then how on earth you don't have the syslog of the server ? |
| 04:23.45 | Warlord | cause i have it enabled and it doesn't show a damn thing |
| 04:24.56 | tharkun | Warlord: the answer is obvious you either 1.- don't have the matching key or 2.- Your isp is blocking the port you set up your nxserver to listen to 3.- you have a port missmatch |
| 04:25.19 | tharkun | grep auth /var/log/syslog |
| 04:25.37 | tharkun | grep sshd /var/log/auth.log |
| 04:25.41 | Warlord | it's local |
| 04:25.55 | tharkun | meaning?? |
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| 04:26.40 | Warlord | hmm they both look good |
| 04:26.52 | tharkun | look good ???????????????????????? |
| 04:27.44 | Warlord | I don't see any issues ffs |
| 04:27.52 | Warlord | like errors |
| 04:28.13 | tharkun | Warlord: please paste the oneliner you are supposed to be using |
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| 04:30.23 | tharkun | Warlord: BTW nomachine is not supported on the channel yet usually someon has the knowledge to help pinpoint the problem |
| 04:31.33 | Warlord | what is their chan then? |
| 04:31.41 | Warlord | and it is from debian repo |
| 04:31.44 | Warlord | so they sould support it.. |
| 04:32.27 | Warlord | anyways tharkun don't answer if you don't know |
| 04:32.31 | Warlord | :) |
| 04:32.59 | tharkun | uses his brand new tazer on Warlord |
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| 04:33.25 | pheezer | down boy |
| 04:33.50 | Warlord | just see that there was 829 people here and one of them should know =/ |
| 04:34.57 | tharkun | Warlord: apt-cache search freenx shows nothing :) |
| 04:35.12 | Warlord | freenx-server |
| 04:35.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=freenx-server |
| 04:35.39 | nogo | !freenx |
| 04:35.39 | tharkun | ,version freenx-server |
| 04:35.39 | dpkg | FreeNX is a GPL implementation of the <NX> server and client components. There are no FreeNX packages in official Debian repositories, see Debian bug #255850. http://wiki.debian.org/freenx http://freenx.berlios.de/ #nx on irc.freenode.net. |
| 04:35.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | not in debian |
| 04:35.50 | Warlord | hrm |
| 04:35.57 | Warlord | #nx lol |
| 04:35.58 | Warlord | sorry |
| 04:36.06 | nogo | what's nx? |
| 04:36.14 | tharkun | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:36.17 | Warlord | it's a vnc I guess |
| 04:36.23 | tharkun | nop |
| 04:36.26 | Warlord | =/ |
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| 04:36.45 | tharkun | it is a ssh connection that usually forwards X connections to a client |
| 04:36.45 | nogo | if i don't know it, i don't need it |
| 04:36.57 | Warlord | ah |
| 04:37.33 | tharkun | Warlord: try the nomachine website for the .deb |
| 04:38.16 | tharkun | !dbug 255850 |
| 04:38.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | q |
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| 04:39.23 | nogo | a .deb file can change your package source stealthly |
| 04:39.31 | nogo | be careful |
| 04:39.43 | nast | if i had two hard drives, and i wanted to know the difference between them, expressed as ranges of bytes, how would i do that? |
| 04:40.05 | tharkun | nogo: ?? |
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| 04:40.42 | nogo | i only trust packages which is signatured by cannonical so far |
| 04:40.49 | nogo | s/is/are |
| 04:41.00 | nast | do they make debian packages |
| 04:41.06 | tharkun | nogo: ?? |
| 04:41.08 | nogo | i don't know |
| 04:41.28 | nogo | i don't try any ppa yet |
| 04:41.39 | nast | what the fuck chan am i in |
| 04:41.48 | nogo | what? |
| 04:41.56 | tharkun | nast: /topic |
| 04:42.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | nogo: are you sure you are in the correct channel? |
| 04:42.18 | nogo | not sure |
| 04:42.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | nast: not sure what you meant with your question |
| 04:43.00 | nast | i have two block devices, and i'd like to know what offsets of bytes do not match between them, for they were once raid1 |
| 04:43.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | nast: not sure what to suggest for that sorry |
| 04:44.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | afk for a bit |
| 04:44.17 | nast | would be a fairly trivial coding task, but reinventing wheels, etc :< |
| 04:45.57 | nogo | you can steal your first wheel |
| 04:46.35 | sweetpi | I think it would be faster to write something to do it than search for one |
| 04:47.06 | nast | starts writing |
| 04:48.24 | nogo | everybody has golden perl,python,ruby and lua codes over the years |
| 04:48.55 | nast | this is likely best in just straight C, given it's a lot of data |
| 04:49.35 | nogo | c is not good enough without asm |
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| 04:51.40 | nast | well, naturally the C turns into asm ;) |
| 04:54.35 | nogo | not good as hand-adjusted asm code |
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| 04:57.27 | nast | gcc is better than me, ive checked :) |
| 04:58.37 | nogo | that's your problem |
| 04:59.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | nogo: please stop being silly |
| 04:59.41 | nogo | did i talk with you? |
| 04:59.59 | sweetpi | nogo: whats with your attitude? |
| 05:00.03 | sekon | thinks nogo should be kicked |
| 05:00.08 | nogo | lol |
| 05:00.53 | nogo | only blood-blood people have attitude, not me |
| 05:01.04 | nogo | blue-blood |
| 05:01.48 | smacnay | wonders what the /ignore command is again... |
| 05:01.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | nogo: you've said nothing useful since you joined, neither have you asked a question |
| 05:03.29 | sweetpi | !saturday |
| 05:03.31 | dpkg | [saturday] Tardsday Eve |
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| 05:03.42 | KB1JWQ | Let us be civil. |
| 05:04.26 | jpinx-eeepc | !sunday |
| 05:04.26 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 05:05.00 | jpinx-eeepc | during the week it's really nice in here ;) |
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| 05:13.20 | yogi | anybody awake connecting to a fedora 14 beta using putty? |
| 05:13.34 | yogi | the normal display works, but when I run something that uses term(cap|lib), the putty window hangs |
| 05:14.02 | yogi | sorry, wrong channel |
| 05:14.11 | yogi | debian does not have this problem 8^) |
| 05:14.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | yogi: :) |
| 05:15.02 | yogi | Kamping_Kaiser: yes? |
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| 05:59.56 | meder | i want to get nginx 0.8.x whereas 0.7.x is available on backports. i was advised to add a deb-src line. that is very vague. what exactly do i need to add in my sources.list with the deb-src? |
| 06:01.26 | jordanm | ,versions nginx |
| 06:01.27 | judd | Package nginx on i386 -- etch: 0.4.13-2+etch3; etch-security: 0.4.13-2+etch3; etch-backports: 0.5.35-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 0.6.32-3+lenny3; lenny-security: 0.6.32-3+lenny3; lenny-backports: 0.7.67-3~bpo50+1; sid: 0.7.67-3; squeeze: 0.7.67-3 |
| 06:01.44 | jordanm | meder: 0.8 is not packaged for debian |
| 06:01.48 | meder | exactly |
| 06:01.56 | jordanm | what is the need? |
| 06:01.57 | meder | so deb-src is useless, then? |
| 06:02.09 | meder | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:02.16 | meder | ^ thats what someone rerouted me to |
| 06:02.21 | meder | is that advice useful, then? |
| 06:02.32 | jordanm | meder: in most cases, yes |
| 06:02.41 | meder | but in this case no, because even on sid its not 0.8 |
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| 06:02.55 | jordanm | meder: what is the need for the 0.8? |
| 06:03.06 | meder | i want the latest and greatest, and i believe uwsgi is built-in as well |
| 06:04.04 | jordanm | meder: "latest and least tested" is more like it |
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| 06:04.41 | meder | 0.8.32 was released january of this year |
| 06:04.51 | meder | 0.6 is probably 2 years ago |
| 06:04.53 | meder | that's very outdated |
| 06:05.03 | jordanm | does it no longer work? |
| 06:05.36 | meder | it works, sure. but i need uwsgi on it as well now so might as well get the latest with uwsgi? |
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| 06:12.49 | jpinx-eeepc | !sns |
| 06:12.49 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
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| 06:13.29 | meder | heh |
| 06:14.07 | jordanm | ah, the comment about "slashdot users" was removed from that factoid |
| 06:14.14 | jordanm | actually.. that might have been me |
| 06:15.06 | jpinx-eeepc | !need |
| 06:15.07 | dpkg | You do not NEED an application. You definitely do not NEED a game or site. You do not NEED a shell. You do not NEED to get a ban lifted. You NEED food. So go and buy your food, and if you feel that you absolutely NEED a program, we suggest that you go and buy that too while you're out. You do need beer, though. |
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| 06:15.45 | meder | so, no one here uses the latest version of anything |
| 06:16.13 | meder | you all use debian 4.x? 5.x is less tested |
| 06:16.26 | jordanm | etch is no longer supported |
| 06:16.46 | jpinx-eeepc | meder: I use the latest stabe debian ;) |
| 06:16.51 | jordanm | but yeah, I wish debian had the manpower for a "from my cold dead fingers" support model |
| 06:16.52 | jpinx-eeepc | *stable |
| 06:17.50 | jpinx-eeepc | meder: look at you requirement again, there is almost certainly a solution that does not require you to risk breaking your OS |
| 06:18.58 | jordanm | usually those situations are because of what the boss whats and he *must* have it his way |
| 06:20.06 | Bushmills | one also NEEDS water, shelter, sleep, protective clothing, social contacts, |
| 06:20.36 | Bushmills | with food alone one doesn't last long |
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| 06:21.03 | jpinx-eeepc | with Bushmills you'll last foever ;) |
| 06:21.24 | meder | jpinx-eeepc: nginx 0.8.x is stable, though |
| 06:21.31 | meder | why not use the latest stabel version of nginx? heh |
| 06:21.40 | meder | that corresponds to your usage of the latest stable version of debian |
| 06:21.50 | jpinx-eeepc | meder: takethat up with upstream ;) |
| 06:22.51 | jpinx-eeepc | meder: and you missed (possibly deliberately) my suggestion to re-examine your requirement |
| 06:23.56 | Bushmills | "stable" in the context of "debian" doesn't just mean "won't crash" |
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| 06:25.59 | nast | waves around an AMD X6, re: sns |
| 06:27.00 | jordanm | CPUs generally don't have overflowing bug trackers |
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| 06:28.06 | Bushmills | when they still exist as soft core only, the do :) |
| 06:28.10 | Bushmills | they |
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| 07:10.07 | NOMADICUS | Do any of you know how to configure a system to accept multiple mice, keyboards, and monitors; allowing them to function in seperate sets on the same computer? |
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| 07:11.22 | NOMADICUS | I was looking at: http://wearables.unisa.edu.au/projects/mpx/ and http://multicursor-wm.sourceforge.net/ I have no experience with this and am wondering if there is anyone who has? |
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| 07:12.30 | Bushmills | there is synergy, but for multiple machines running X, you don't really need it, as you can use ... for (looking up name of ...) |
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| 07:13.35 | NOMADICUS | Bushmills: That is almost inverse of what I would like to accomplish. |
| 07:14.06 | Bushmills | oh, right. yes, indeed. i misread your question |
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| 07:14.41 | jordanm | sounds like you want thin clients |
| 07:14.43 | NOMADICUS | Bushmills: It is definatly a difficult question to word. |
| 07:14.51 | jordanm | ltsp maybe |
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| 07:16.07 | jordanm | !ltsp |
| 07:16.08 | dpkg | i heard ltsp is the Linux Terminal Server Project. http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP http://www.ltsp.org/ #ltsp on irc.freenode.net. |
| 07:16.26 | NOMADICUS | jordanm: What is ltsp? I would like to be able to have two terminals from one machine with only mouse, keybord, and monitor attached (no kvm switch), I would like for each set to be able to log into the same or seperate accounts. |
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| 07:17.15 | jordanm | NOMADICUS: yep, thin clients |
| 07:17.37 | Bushmills | x2x was the name of the other util i was looking for. also unusable for your purpose :) |
| 07:18.20 | Bushmills | NOMADICUS, alt-f7 alt-f8 alt-f9 ... :) |
| 07:18.32 | NOMADICUS | This looks as though it may potentially serve my interest, I am almost definate that it will. |
| 07:18.33 | sweetpi | NOMADICUS: what your looking for is called multiseat. http://wiki.debian.org/Multi_Seat_Debian_HOWTO |
| 07:19.28 | Bushmills | maybe xserver-xephyr. aka xnest |
| 07:20.22 | Bushmills | though these only "multiplex" KVM over multiple sessions |
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| 07:20.53 | NOMADICUS | What about having multiple users logged into one desktop environment and interacting together? |
| 07:22.32 | Bushmills | vnc with shared displays might do |
| 07:22.33 | NOMADICUS | Is there a difference between multiseat and ltsp? |
| 07:23.24 | sweetpi | ltsp is server > multiple clients over the network. multiseat is one computer, multiple input devices and monitors |
| 07:23.34 | NOMADICUS | I would like to possibly have multiple pointers on one screen. |
| 07:24.07 | sweetpi | I've played world of goo like that. never tried for anything productive though |
| 07:24.20 | NOMADICUS | sweetpi: Well, for this purpose multiseat seems most appropriate. |
| 07:24.26 | Bushmills | for editors, there is sobby, with clients like gobby. for whole desktop, nothing like that is known to me |
| 07:25.37 | Bushmills | for graphics, there's a modified jabber client which name i forgot which allows collaborative drawing |
| 07:25.58 | NOMADICUS | sweetpi: Productivity is my goal. |
| 07:26.32 | sweetpi | NOMADICUS: maybe http://ao2.it/it/blog/2010/01/19/poor-mans-multi-touch-using-multiple-mice-xorg?page=2 |
| 07:26.39 | NOMADICUS | sweetpi: Well . . . more creativly based though. |
| 07:27.44 | Bushmills | coccinella was its name iirc |
| 07:28.43 | sweetpi | NOMADICUS: I've actually tried something like this a few years ago, it always seemed to boil down to the app needing specific support for it |
| 07:29.00 | Bushmills | would like an obby based wiki |
| 07:30.40 | NOMADICUS | sweetpi: For the most part, I want to be able to have Debian running as a host for Windows running on VirturalBox on one i/o set for someone else to use and the other for me to use the main Debian system. |
| 07:30.47 | Bushmills | most productivity use of computers involve use of editors |
| 07:31.43 | Bushmills | so sobby/gobby/<any>obby might be quite a step for live collaboration |
| 07:32.47 | NOMADICUS | Bushmills: sobby/gobby/hobby/<any>obby is a definate probability. |
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| 07:36.08 | jelly-home | snobby |
| 07:36.10 | Bushmills | to see how that works when connecting to a remote server, gobby -j scarydevilmonastery.net has a session open |
| 07:38.12 | NOMADICUS | Bushmills: jelly-home: sweetpi: jordanm: This is great! Thanks for educating me! |
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| 07:40.33 | greenmang0 | is it possible to specify user's password on command line in sudo? |
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| 07:41.21 | Bushmills | yes. echo "<insert_password_here>" |
| 07:42.42 | srmaddox | how can i switch from openjdk to sunjdk? |
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| 07:50.22 | Rat409 | try apt-get remove --purge openjdk && apt-get install sun-java6-jdk. but doing an apt-cache search sun-java6 is best to do first |
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| 07:51.55 | Rat409 | and its bedtime for me. g'night all. |
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| 08:03.06 | ImAlive | greetings |
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| 08:04.22 | ImAlive | when does the next debian come out |
| 08:04.30 | Bushmills | !when |
| 08:04.31 | dpkg | Now! |
| 08:04.34 | ImAlive | lol |
| 08:04.36 | beardy | !wir |
| 08:04.38 | dpkg | from memory, wir is When It's Ready. See also <rsn> and <siyh>. |
| 08:04.48 | ImAlive | after lenny |
| 08:05.09 | beardy | !squeeze pool |
| 08:05.19 | Bushmills | given choice between past, present and future, i'd go for future |
| 08:05.42 | ImAlive | im mean, i would be a first time user of bebian should i wait |
| 08:05.47 | ImAlive | d |
| 08:05.54 | Bushmills | no. you can install lenny already |
| 08:06.09 | Bushmills | that was "next debian" before it became stable |
| 08:06.18 | beardy | ImAlive: You should install Debian stable, which currently is Lenny. Learn and enjoy. |
| 08:06.24 | ImAlive | does it auto-confi network? |
| 08:06.28 | ImAlive | g |
| 08:06.59 | ImAlive | really yhe only thing i have a real hard time at |
| 08:07.05 | Bushmills | it loads NIC drivers automatically, if NIC is supported. configuring is more a matter of having a DHCP server on your LAN |
| 08:07.12 | beardy | ImAlive: Not unless you tell it to. It supports DHCP if that's what you are asking.. but I doubt that. |
| 08:07.37 | beardy | !interfaces |
| 08:07.39 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>. |
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| 08:08.11 | ImAlive | i have dhcp, so if i install will it ban able o connect right away like , forgive me (ubuntu) ? |
| 08:08.31 | ImAlive | ban == be |
| 08:08.39 | Bushmills | yes. with properly configured dhcp server, you'd be fine |
| 08:08.57 | Bushmills | unless you're using some exotic network card |
| 08:08.59 | beardy | ImAlive: Yes, if your NIC is supported, and what Bushmills said, should be no problem at all. |
| 08:09.06 | ImAlive | got a beer or 2 in me @ 3 am sorry hehe |
| 08:09.19 | ImAlive | nic? |
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| 08:09.23 | beardy | !nic |
| 08:09.24 | dpkg | hmm... nic is (Network Interface Card) The NIC is an add-in board that enables a computer to connect to some form of computer network. Network Information Center |
| 08:09.29 | simonrvn | network interface card |
| 08:09.32 | ImAlive | ok |
| 08:09.35 | marshallmc | anyone use HAVP on debian? |
| 08:09.40 | ImAlive | wifi card >:) |
| 08:09.45 | marshallmc | http antivirus proxy |
| 08:09.47 | marshallmc | ? |
| 08:10.29 | beardy | WiFi can be a little trickier if, like you should.. use encryption. |
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| 08:10.51 | ImAlive | what you guys think of recontructor, does that come with a installer? |
| 08:11.02 | Bushmills | ImAlive, if you intend to run a graphical desktop environment, a wifi config frontend like wicd might ease setting up wireless |
| 08:11.12 | ImAlive | ok |
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| 08:12.29 | ImAlive | iv had wicd before on the other, i liked it, is it on the live cd? |
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| 08:12.41 | ImAlive | debian that is |
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| 08:16.42 | simonrvn | marshallmc: you should probably state your problem first, instead of asking if anyone's used it |
| 08:16.45 | beardy | ImAlive: There's probably a packagelisting for it. I don't know from the top of my head, but I'd find it likely to be there. |
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| 08:16.50 | simonrvn | !meta-question |
| 08:16.51 | beardy | !live |
| 08:17.02 | simonrvn | er? |
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| 08:17.30 | beardy | dpkg thought I asked something 0 seconds ago.. |
| 08:17.31 | dpkg | beardy: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 08:17.34 | beardy | !live |
| 08:17.35 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. As of squeeze, the images can be installed with d-i. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/FAQ http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.oftc.net. A preview of the squeeze live image is at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_live_alpha2/ |
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| 08:17.53 | simonrvn | Agiofws: fix your client |
| 08:17.55 | beardy | ImAlive: Check that FAQ. |
| 08:17.58 | simonrvn | !meta-questions |
| 08:18.01 | ImAlive | yep have used debian live >:) |
| 08:18.03 | simonrvn | !meta-question |
| 08:18.16 | simonrvn | ok, obviously that's not it... |
| 08:18.32 | Bushmills | 'is "is asking a meta question" a metaquestion?" |
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| 08:18.40 | beardy | !smart questions |
| 08:18.41 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with helpers. Also ask me about <reportbug>. |
| 08:19.09 | beardy | Long time since one saw that one. |
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| 08:19.35 | simonrvn | thanks beardy |
| 08:19.47 | beardy | bows and smiles |
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| 08:20.54 | ImAlive | 2 other concerns are the ATi driver an how well different window managers work? |
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| 08:22.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | simonrvn: iirc its !x-y or similar |
| 08:22.32 | beardy | ImAlive: Any window manager will work as good as the next.. unless you think of accelerated functions, that depends on the driver.. and if the window manager has such functionality. |
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| 08:22.38 | beardy | !ati |
| 08:22.40 | dpkg | To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <radeonhd>, <fglrx>. See also <radeon vs radeonhd>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (irc.freenode.net). |
| 08:23.00 | ImAlive | i cee |
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| 08:23.43 | ImAlive | just one q: then. can the proprietary drivers wotk? |
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| 08:25.32 | ImAlive | bigest concern is cant the open drivers compost, do openGL an tranprancy |
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| 08:26.00 | simonrvn | composting drivers? |
| 08:26.15 | simonrvn | Kamping_Kaiser: oh yeh |
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| 08:27.05 | ImAlive | composing for compiz or metacity which every you prefer... yea |
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| 08:27.19 | ImAlive | gtk |
| 08:27.25 | simonrvn | Kamping_Kaiser: not quite what i was looking for, but it's "xy problem" |
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| 08:30.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | simonrvn: pretty sure dpkg has an xy or x-y factoid |
| 08:30.13 | Shadowww | Hi there, why apache2-mpm-preform, apache2-utils, apache2.2-common and libapache2-mod-php5 are dependencies for php5?! |
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| 08:30.38 | Shadowww | prefork* |
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| 08:31.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | Shadowww: they are 'or' dependencies, not 'and' dependencies |
| 08:32.03 | meder | Shadowww: do you want to use worker instead of prefork? |
| 08:32.12 | meder | if so use fastcgi+worker |
| 08:32.15 | meder | and php5 |
| 08:32.20 | Shadowww | meder, I don't want to use anything related to apache2 at all.. |
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| 08:32.42 | meder | nginx? |
| 08:32.51 | Shadowww | no, no webservers at all |
| 08:32.54 | meder | ah |
| 08:32.59 | Shadowww | php binary executed from shell scripts |
| 08:33.21 | mjmt | php5-cli |
| 08:33.21 | beardy | Shadowww: Then install the right package? |
| 08:33.26 | mjmt | (Ew.) |
| 08:33.36 | beardy | judd: depends php5-cli |
| 08:33.38 | judd | Package php5-cli -- depends: libbz2-1.0, libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libcomerr2 (>= 1.01), libdb4.6, libkrb53 (>= 1.6.dfsg.2), libncurses5 (>= 5.6+20071006-3), libpcre3 (>= 7.4), libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8f-5), libxml2 (>= 2.6.28), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4), mime-support, php5-common (= 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny9), libmagic1, ucf, tzdata. |
| 08:33.50 | Shadowww | ah ok, thanks :] |
| 08:34.53 | simonrvn | Kamping_Kaiser: 56 listkeys xy ;) hehe |
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| 08:35.48 | SparFux | Hi all. Ever since I experience problems with java in iceweasel. I am using this free java kit. Does anybody else experience problemms like huge lag and non-functioning java sites? |
| 08:36.31 | SparFux | for example, can anybody use www.doddlephone.com? I get no application there at all. |
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| 08:39.33 | meder | judd: depends nginx |
| 08:39.35 | judd | Package nginx -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libpcre3 (>= 7.4), libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8f-5), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4). |
| 08:39.38 | KillGuta | Guys, I want to install Debian. I've made a /home partition and I plan on using the same username and I'm currently on Ubuntu. Will my Ubuntu user configs mess up Debian's? |
| 08:41.43 | nast | KillGuta: it won't mess up debian. but that user may have strange things happening, due to the different versions of software, if say, GNOME has significantly changed how they store their config strange things may happen |
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| 08:42.27 | simonrvn | they haven't. they still use gconf. kde will auto-migrate stuff and so will xfce apps. |
| 08:42.28 | somiaj | KillGuta: for the most part no -- though I have ran across slight troubles as nast mentioned when using the same home dir across multiple distrubitions (I use to multi-boot across a few distributions) |
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| 08:43.14 | KillGuta | So should I delete every config before installing Debian just in case? |
| 08:43.27 | simonrvn | i wouldn't bother |
| 08:43.37 | somiaj | KillGuta: I wouldn't we are just saying you may have to reconfigure a few things. |
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| 08:44.00 | ImAlive | anyone been on slack |
| 08:44.40 | KillGuta | I'll just use a different username, then |
| 08:44.50 | somiaj | KillGuta: just realize if you are experiencing strange behavior from some software -- reconfiguring the config file (or backing up your config file and moving it out of the way and letting a new one be generated) may be the solution to the issues. |
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| 08:45.43 | somiaj | KillGuta: using a different username would be a matter of prefernce -- reconfigure everything from the debian defaults -- or just fix the few things (if any) that are slighty different. |
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| 08:49.07 | Bushmills | KillGuta, if you intend to mount the same partition as /home under debian, having identical user ids may be helpful |
| 08:49.45 | Bushmills | file and directory ownership on those is determined by user and group id, not by user name |
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| 08:50.30 | somiaj | KillGuta: may also want to make a backup of /etc, may find you'll want some configs out of there -- or to look at for reference. |
| 08:51.29 | KillGuta | It's not like I will configure every tiny bit of every package, right? :O |
| 08:51.40 | KillGuta | Think I'll just configure them myself :D |
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| 08:52.03 | KillGuta | After all, learning throuhg mistakes is a lot faster xD |
| 08:52.27 | Bushmills | rather than copying the whole /etc directory hierarchy, i'd reuse required configs one by one, per installed service |
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| 08:55.05 | somiaj | KillGuta: just depends on how much you configure -- yea there are defaults, so depends on how much you configure things beyond that. |
| 08:55.42 | Bushmills | i'd even diff org and custom config files, simply to know what was or has changed |
| 08:56.56 | nast | fast way to search a block device for a header and print the offset of, suggestions? i was using od|grep, but that was far far too slow :< |
| 08:57.17 | nast | i'd like the offset in bytes, or sectors, it should be sector aligned, though i'm not 100% sure on that |
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| 09:05.58 | Moult | anybody familiar with running a DNS server? i got myself a VPS and want to learn all this stuff and manage it myself :) |
| 09:06.36 | Jinko | salve |
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| 09:09.45 | somiaj | Moult: what is your question? I use bind or bind9 myself |
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| 09:10.28 | Moult | somiaj: well, i'm an absolute beginner at this stuff, so basically i've got a vps with a static IP, and i've registered myself a few domains, i want to learn how to connect the domains to the server |
| 09:11.03 | Moult | somiaj: i've done some reading, but i always feel more comfortable talking to somebody more experienced with it when setting it up, for security concerns, best practices, etc |
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| 09:11.59 | antIP | I'd like to get ahold of a debian distro that runs openbox. Can I easily do that within debian, or should I use a fork? |
| 09:12.18 | antizeus | hey. i am having troubles with my keyboard. i don't know why it simply isn't working well. for some instants ago i could not even use it. how can i reconfigure the layout for my keyboard from the console ? |
| 09:12.32 | somiaj | Moult: Two basic steps. 1) Configure your DNS to know your domain names. 2) Point your master nameservers for your domains (from your register) at your static ip (DNS server) |
| 09:12.44 | jpinx-eeepc | antIP: you can use stable debian |
| 09:13.00 | Moult | somiaj: perhaps we should take this discussion into a PM? it is kind of off-topic for this channel |
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| 09:13.30 | jpinx-eeepc | somiaj: /join #debian-offtopic ;) |
| 09:13.30 | somiaj | antIP: debian doesn't have any default windowmanager (or doesn't even require x) -- install a base system and then put on xorg and the windowmanager you want |
| 09:13.48 | somiaj | Moult: if you would like. |
| 09:13.52 | antizeus | when i run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg it doesn't run. |
| 09:13.56 | antizeus | :( |
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| 09:14.09 | antizeus | it simply jumb to the next line and shows nothing. |
| 09:14.19 | antizeus | jumps* |
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| 09:18.17 | antIP | jpinx-eeepc: great. I'm somewhat of a noob. I've never had to install xorg, or a window manager before. I don't mind trying and learning though. Is there a preferred method for putting debian on a usb stick? |
| 09:19.11 | antIP | jpinx-eeepc: I'm in ubuntu. I could use unetbootin or usb disk creator. Does it matter? |
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| 09:19.15 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell antIP about usb install |
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| 09:23.53 | antIP | jpinx-eeepc: So Read that first page about usb install. I have to add vmlinuz and initrd.gz and a syslinux.cfg file to the usb drive before I ad the ISO? Can I just use unetbootin or something? Another question I have regards the "base system" you mentioned earlier. I downloaded debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso will that allow me to do a base install? |
| 09:24.38 | somiaj | I wouldn't use the testing installer |
| 09:24.51 | antIP | somiaj: Why? |
| 09:25.08 | somiaj | antIP: because its still in testing -- its better than it has been but grab the stable net installer |
| 09:25.18 | somiaj | antIP: You can always upgrade yourd ebian version after wards. |
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| 09:26.10 | jpinx-eeepc | antIP: please install stable first ;) |
| 09:26.43 | antIP | ok. I thought ubuntu was based on debian testing. |
| 09:26.46 | somiaj | the testing installer use to be broken on various builds -- though I don't know the status of this one. |
| 09:27.00 | antIP | that's what i've been running. |
| 09:27.02 | jpinx-eeepc | antIP: ths is not ubuntu |
| 09:27.13 | somiaj | based - not copied, they put a lot of stuff on top of it, such as their own install system |
| 09:27.19 | jpinx-eeepc | !based on debian |
| 09:27.19 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 09:27.36 | antIP | jpinx-eeepc: I know it's not ubuntu. But that's what i've been running and i thought it was based on testing so I figured it would be stable enough, but I guess I was wrong. |
| 09:28.12 | antIP | I'm here because I want to switch to debian. I'm hear to find help switching to debian. |
| 09:28.14 | jpinx-eeepc | antIP: not right or wrong, but different operating systems ;) |
| 09:28.35 | antIP | jpinx-eeepc. I know they're different. |
| 09:28.49 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell antIP about netinstall |
| 09:28.53 | antIP | I'll download the stable version then |
| 09:32.03 | antIP | jpinx-eeepc. So I'll download the netinstall for CD USB etc. And this will allow me to build debian with openbox? |
| 09:33.35 | antIP | jpinx-eeepc: What is hd-media? There are download options for hd-media and cdrom and netboot. |
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| 09:34.41 | antIP | jpinx-eeepc: never mind, it doesn't matter. I"m downloading the Small CD amd64 option |
| 09:35.17 | jpinx-eeepc | antIP: did you read the factoid I got dpkg to send you about net install ? |
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| 09:35.48 | antIP | I read the installation guide |
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| 09:36.02 | jpinx-eeepc | antIP: and usb install... |
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| 09:36.11 | jpinx-eeepc | antIP: everything you need is there |
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| 09:41.47 | meder | how can i see the arguments my package was compiled with? |
| 09:41.56 | meder | configuration settings for it |
| 09:42.26 | djura-san | o/ |
| 09:42.33 | somiaj | meder: install the src package and look though debian/rules |
| 09:43.17 | meder | how do i install the src package |
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| 09:44.42 | somiaj | meder: make sure you have deb-src in your sources.list and apt-get source ... |
| 09:45.02 | antIP | jpinx-eeepc: According to those instructions i'm supposed to format my USB drive in FAT16, but my drives is 8Gb so I can't format in FAT16. Any advice on how I should proceed? |
| 09:45.24 | nast | you can still format it in FAT16 |
| 09:45.52 | meder | somiaj: i have the standard deb-src lenny main line in my sources.list |
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| 09:46.00 | antIP | nast: How? Gparted wont let me. I get thrown an error. |
| 09:46.34 | nast | antIP: create a partition that's small enough to accommodate fat16's limitation |
| 09:46.47 | antIP | nast: I was just about to say the same thing. Sorry about that. |
| 09:47.08 | meder | somiaj: ah |
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| 09:47.33 | nast | alternative is to mkfs it yourself, and if mkfs refuses create a linear dm mapping showing a device small enough that mkfs doesn't complain |
| 09:48.01 | antizeus | hey, i am trying to reconfigure xserver-xorg. when i type dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg it simply doesn't work. it notices nothing, simply jumps at next line with no warnings/informations. |
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| 09:48.32 | antizeus | what could it be happning ? |
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| 09:49.29 | somiaj | meder: /msg dpkg source |
| 09:49.45 | meder | somiaj: ah |
| 09:49.48 | meder | ok |
| 09:49.53 | meder | now that i know it wasnt configured with a specific module |
| 09:49.59 | meder | is there a "safe" way of modifying my package |
| 09:50.04 | meder | to include a module? |
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| 09:50.17 | meder | in particular, id like to alter my standard nginx debian lenny stable nginx to have the uwsgi module |
| 09:50.49 | somiaj | meder: read what dpkg tells you, just modify the debian/rules to include the configure options you want (add custom patches if needed) then recompile a custom deb |
| 09:50.54 | jelly-home | meder: /msg dpkg package rebuild |
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| 09:52.08 | zxd | how do I search for --net-dev in google |
| 09:52.29 | antizeus | hi |
| 09:52.34 | antizeus | can someone help me, please ? |
| 09:52.56 | meder | zxd: try to wrap it in quotes |
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| 09:53.46 | somiaj | meder: may want to /msg dpkg hold -- to set your custom package on hold (though then you need to watch for your own security updates) |
| 09:53.47 | jelly-home | antizeus: it's not used any more; /msg dpkg drxx |
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| 09:55.19 | zxd | meder: I did |
| 09:56.51 | meder | somiaj: $ echo "nginx hold" | sudo dpkg --set-selections |
| 09:56.53 | meder | ? |
| 09:57.09 | jelly-home | yes, if you use sudo. |
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| 10:00.20 | meder | actually. i did apt-get source nginx but i need the backports version that i have of it |
| 10:00.28 | antizeus | jelly-home: i am configuring console-setup, i don't know what encoding i must put there. |
| 10:00.40 | meder | the stable is 0.6.32 but i need 0.7.65ish which is my version now from lenny backports |
| 10:01.14 | meder | how can i force 'apt-get source nginx' to grab the bp version of it? |
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| 10:01.30 | somiaj | meder: so download the source from the right distrubition, make your deb-src file point at sid |
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| 10:02.18 | meder | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:02.23 | meder | so i need to copy that and use deb-src |
| 10:02.32 | meder | but everything else remains the same? |
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| 10:04.07 | meder | somiaj: it's very confusing because i dont know what exactly i need to use, the line i need to configure, heh |
| 10:04.17 | meder | i dont know which is the right deb-src i need |
| 10:04.23 | meder | its not as simple as telling me that i need it |
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| 10:08.33 | meder | so i cant deb-src backports, i can only rely on sid.. is that right? |
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| 10:11.51 | jelly-home | meder: backports have deb-src as well. if apt-get source doesn't fetch that one, try apt-get -t lenny-backports source ... |
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| 10:13.06 | jelly-home | meder: yes, you need to copy that to a new deb-src lin |
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| 10:13.12 | meder | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:13.15 | meder | did that |
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| 10:13.26 | meder | then ran apt-get -t lenny-backports source nginx |
| 10:13.34 | meder | i get E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/www.backports.org_debian_dists_lenny-backports_main_source_Sources - open (2 No such file or directory) |
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| 10:14.05 | meder | that's not a permissions thing |
| 10:14.07 | meder | right? |
| 10:14.14 | meder | the deb-src is wrong i think? |
| 10:15.13 | simonrvn | did you update? |
| 10:15.28 | meder | i didnt |
| 10:15.41 | meder | so that wont mess anything up if i update.. i will now |
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| 10:16.30 | meder | that did it |
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| 10:17.51 | soczol` | how would I found out which process is listening on a port when netstat does not know the PID and lsof does not see the port being used at all? |
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| 10:19.02 | antIP | jpinx-eeepc - I went through those direction and created a boot usb with hd-media files and amd64-netinst.iso. Unfortunately my notebook isn't booting from the usb. (Yes, my bios is set to boot from usb first). After post i just get a blinking cursor and it hangs. :( Any suggesstions? |
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| 10:20.30 | jpinx-eeepc | antIP: you're meant to e putting a netinstaller on the usb, |
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| 10:21.12 | meder | ok |
| 10:21.13 | meder | dpkg-deb: building package `nginx-dbg' in `../nginx-dbg_0.7.67-3~bpo50+1_i386.deb'. |
| 10:21.18 | meder | it apparently created the deb file |
| 10:21.27 | meder | but afterwards, it complained about gpg stuff |
| 10:21.38 | meder | dpkg-genchanges: warning: the current version (0.7.67-3~bpo50+1) is smaller than the previous one (0.7.67-3) |
| 10:21.41 | antIP | jpinx-eeepc: ok. I must not be understanding something. I thought a net installer was the same thing as netinst.iso (netinst = net install) |
| 10:21.48 | meder | should I worry about that? |
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| 10:22.23 | meder | "Failed to sign .dsc and .changes file |
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| 10:23.12 | antizeus | hi |
| 10:23.21 | antIP | jpinx-eeepc: I went the rout where you add the vmlinux initrd.gz and syslinux.cfg manually so that I could use a "Small CD" ISO |
| 10:23.25 | antizeus | i am trying to configure my keyboard i am having troubles. |
| 10:23.29 | antizeus | spin:~# dpkg-reconfigure console-setup |
| 10:23.29 | antizeus | /usr/bin/ckbcomp: Can not find file "symbols/xopispodiçlkçlkçõlk" in any known directory |
| 10:23.33 | antizeus | spin:~# |
| 10:23.33 | antizeus | sorry for pasting.. |
| 10:23.45 | antizeus | that is the msg which i receive when i try to run ckbcomp. |
| 10:23.51 | simonrvn | meder: failed to sign just means that you don't have access to the private key it wsa signed with; sign it with your own key pair. |
| 10:23.54 | antizeus | i really have no idea of what is happening. |
| 10:24.01 | simonrvn | !nmg |
| 10:24.01 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <policy>, <best practices> or see http://www.debian.org/devel/ , http://wiki.debian.org/Courses2005/BuildingWithoutHelper |
| 10:24.03 | antizeus | i would really be great if someone could help me. |
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| 10:24.25 | meder | simonrvn: is the signing necessary? |
| 10:24.30 | meder | or can i just ignore it |
| 10:24.57 | simonrvn | not if you're just building a (set of) debs for yourself |
| 10:26.17 | simonrvn | antizeus: you sure it's installed ok? |
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| 10:28.58 | antizeus | simonrvn: well. i don't know. |
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| 10:29.12 | antizeus | simonrvn: i was changing from lenny to squeeze when it happened. |
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| 10:30.36 | antizeus | simonrvn: probably i have configured something wrong. it seems to be the layout. when restart the system and it load the kdm simply my keyboard doesn't work. however, when i get in console login i type the login then i type startx it simply works. |
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| 10:30.44 | antizeus | the keyboard turn back working again. |
| 10:31.06 | antizeus | but, the keyboard when in graphical login isn't working. |
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| 10:31.33 | somiaj | antizeus: have you read though your xorg logfiles from a startup where you loose keyboard control? |
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| 10:32.13 | antizeus | somiaj: not yet. what should i look for inside that files ? |
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| 10:32.40 | antizeus | i really don't understand too much of linux. |
| 10:32.44 | somiaj | antizeus: why it isn't loading the keyboard corectaly, not sure what beyond that -- but it should give some WW at least |
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| 10:34.11 | antizeus | /usr/bin/ckbcomp: Can not find file "symbols/xopispodiçlkçlkçõlk" in any known directory |
| 10:34.15 | antizeus | that is the msg, somiaj . |
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| 10:35.30 | nast | what a bastard of a message |
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| 10:36.30 | antizeus | :( |
| 10:36.36 | antizeus | somiaj: some idea ? |
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| 10:37.27 | somiaj | aks google |
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| 10:38.03 | senorpedro | hi |
| 10:38.14 | senorpedro | how can i install firebug for iceweasel? |
| 10:38.32 | senorpedro | i installed iceweasel-firebug via aptitude and restarted the browser, no success |
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| 10:39.00 | meder | just grab it directly from its webpage |
| 10:39.04 | meder | i never use aptitude for firebug |
| 10:39.16 | antizeus | oh god. |
| 10:39.19 | antizeus | i am almost giving up. |
| 10:39.21 | somiaj | senorpedro: read though /usr/share/doc/iceweasel-firebug -- maybe it hsa some additional info there |
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| 10:39.50 | senorpedro | meder, that doesnt work - i get the message that firebug is not compatible with iceweasel |
| 10:40.32 | meder | what iceweasel version |
| 10:40.34 | meder | what firebug version |
| 10:40.36 | antizeus | somiaj: how can i make dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg works ? it isn't working. |
| 10:40.38 | antizeus | i have no idea. |
| 10:40.46 | antizeus | if i could run it i guess i could fix my layout. |
| 10:41.17 | antizeus | that is where i commited a mistake when configuring my layout. |
| 10:41.23 | somiaj | I don't know, I modify my /etc/X11/xorg.conf file with $EDITOR |
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| 10:41.29 | antizeus | but, i can't run it anymore. i have no idea why it isn't working. |
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| 10:42.05 | senorpedro | iceweasel 3.0.6, firebug 1.5.4 |
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| 10:42.13 | amoe | In the debian-installer partitioning step, what units can you use to specify the partition size |
| 10:42.20 | amoe | ? |
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| 10:42.35 | amoe | I know you can at least use percentage, MB and GB |
| 10:42.42 | amoe | Is it documented anywhere? |
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| 10:45.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | sure... probably in the manpage of the partition program... whatever that was |
| 10:45.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | parted? |
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| 10:47.20 | amoe | CutMeOwnThroat: I was thinking the installer would massage the units before passing them to parted/fdisk/whatever to allow you to use % and the like |
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| 10:48.03 | antIP | jpinx-eeepc: I got it figured out and got into the installation, but I can't configure my network because no drivers are present apparently. |
| 10:48.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | I would think it just calls the programs and waits for them to exit |
| 10:49.26 | antIP | jpinx-eeepc: I keep getting an error saying that there was a problem reading from removable media too. |
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| 10:51.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | partman, it's called, it seems |
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| 10:54.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | funny that there's no regular deb in debian... only the source package and the udeb |
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| 10:55.11 | amoe | thanks CutMeOwnThroat |
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| 10:56.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | gone! |
| 10:56.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | here it was... kind of :) http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-boot@lists.debian.org/msg115165.html |
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| 10:57.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | amoe, here it is... kind of :) http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-boot@lists.debian.org/msg115165.html |
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| 10:59.03 | amoe | Ah nice one! cheers :) |
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| 10:59.55 | meder | hm, this is weird |
| 10:59.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | doesn't list percent, though |
| 11:00.17 | meder | i installed my newly compiled .debs for my nginx and now it seems i cant stop/start it and the newly .deb ones arent "active" |
| 11:00.26 | meder | it seems like the old nginx is active |
| 11:00.45 | meder | i think there's some sort of conflict i created by dpkg -i'ing the new package |
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| 11:03.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, you made tha packages, you should know |
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| 11:03.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can't have two packages installed with the same name and the same files |
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| 11:04.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | either you put a lot of work into this, or you never installed your "new" packages |
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| 11:08.48 | meder | hm |
| 11:08.52 | meder | what's the opposite of $ echo "nginx hold" | sudo dpkg --set-selections |
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| 11:09.02 | meder | how can i reverse my hold on it? |
| 11:09.29 | cahoot | unhold? |
| 11:09.47 | meder | thought it'd be something fancier |
| 11:10.15 | meder | dpkg: unknown wanted status at line 1: unhold |
| 11:10.15 | dpkg | meder: are you using Windows? |
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| 11:11.32 | cahoot | seems unhold is for aptitude |
| 11:13.22 | ImAlive | i got an .rpj file from recontructor studio what do i do with it? |
| 11:14.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess you do what it what you want... |
| 11:15.00 | tensorpudding | ImAlive: what do you get when you run file on it? |
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| 11:18.35 | tensorpudding | ImAlive: and what is it supposed to be? |
| 11:18.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | ask their documentation... on their crappy website that one can only see after a login |
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| 11:18.49 | simonrvn | you use install for dpkg to "unhold" something |
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| 11:19.18 | trifler | gives CutMeOwnThroat a car battery for his cave "operation" |
| 11:19.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | what? |
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| 11:20.54 | simonrvn | i guess to power the helmet light |
| 11:20.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, it's described here http://www.instantfundas.com/2010/01/customize-ubuntu-live-cd-before.html |
| 11:21.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I'd say it's offtopic |
| 11:21.15 | thewanderer1 | should I choose ATI or NVIDIA for Debian Squeeze/Sid amd64? |
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| 11:21.37 | thewanderer1 | I'm just wondering which of the two will give me less headache |
| 11:21.47 | simonrvn | that would depends on your video device... |
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| 11:22.03 | thewanderer1 | which I'm going to buy |
| 11:22.09 | simonrvn | depend* |
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| 11:22.36 | thewanderer1 | my current video device is a display with VGA port on my desk |
| 11:22.37 | simonrvn | i'd say ati, give me less headaches |
| 11:22.42 | trifler | buy one of each, test em' out and tell the world. |
| 11:22.50 | thewanderer1 | money counts here :P |
| 11:23.03 | simonrvn | fricking hell, gives*. what's wrong with my plurals? .... |
| 11:23.07 | thewanderer1 | does ATI work reasonably well with free drivers or would I have to install fglrx? |
| 11:23.28 | simonrvn | my old radeon 9k uses the free one and 3d works :P |
| 11:23.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | thewanderer1, matrox :) |
| 11:23.41 | Nephy | uhm ..got a dumb question , i did apt-get remove empathy and i got this Removing gnome ... |
| 11:23.41 | Nephy | Removing gnome-desktop-environment ... |
| 11:23.41 | Nephy | Removing empathy |
| 11:23.50 | thewanderer1 | CutMeOwnThroat: free drivers? and would it work with some 3d games? |
| 11:24.04 | Nephy | did i just uninstall gnome ? |
| 11:24.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's overpriced and more on the special side... dunno about 3d games... but the matrox/intel etc cards seem to work out-of-the-box with free drivers (at least the ones I have seen) |
| 11:24.48 | thewanderer1 | Nephy: no, unless you do autoremove or sth like that |
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| 11:24.59 | mcbane | hi |
| 11:25.12 | Nephy | if i do autoremove it shows me like 800mb files ^^ |
| 11:25.27 | thewanderer1 | CutMeOwnThroat: Intel drivers currently break my stuff because they display crippled textures instead of what I should see... |
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| 11:25.34 | thewanderer1 | so I'm actually trying to get away from Intel |
| 11:25.45 | wrksx | when using the command DATE, i get this: Sun Oct 17 13:25:09 CEST 2010 |
| 11:25.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nephy, gnome and gnome-desktop-environment are metapackages that depend on something like "everything gnome" |
| 11:25.49 | Nephy | so ..how did that happen how is empathy related to gde ? |
| 11:25.49 | wrksx | what is CEST ? |
| 11:26.00 | trifler | time |
| 11:26.13 | Nephy | well crap |
| 11:26.24 | f8l | Nephy: Looks like GDE depends on empathy. You'll need to set the rest as manually installed. |
| 11:26.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nephy, so when you remove one of the things they depend on, you remove those meta packages and the other dependencies are free to be removed via autoremove, which aptitude does automatically |
| 11:26.53 | trifler | wrksx: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_European_Summer_Time |
| 11:27.02 | f8l | wrksx: Central Europe Summer Time? |
| 11:27.37 | wrksx | trifler, f8l, ok thank you both |
| 11:27.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | thewanderer1, the ati card here works fine with fglrx, and I dunno what was autodetected, but my lcd monitors were "out of range" for X _and_ text consoles, which kind of sucked |
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| 11:28.00 | trifler | wrksx: I deserve the cred all alone for that. I was much faster. |
| 11:28.04 | mcbane | I want to build myself a nifty storage system using lvm to provide flexibility and raid functionality. The one thing I do not get is, how do I get informed if a harddrive begins to fail (i/o errors by badblocks for example)? |
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| 11:28.19 | cousin_mario | hello |
| 11:28.43 | cousin_mario | I have a small problem with my /var/lib/dpkg/available file |
| 11:28.45 | wrksx | trifler, right |
| 11:28.46 | wrksx | =) |
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| 11:28.53 | cousin_mario | is there a way to rebuild it? |
| 11:28.58 | f8l | gives trifler his part of wrksx thanks. |
| 11:29.18 | Nephy | hmm installed it again and i still tget everything in autoremove , how do I get them out of there ..dont want to remove them by mistake. |
| 11:29.26 | wrksx | #debian is a fair play chan |
| 11:29.32 | trifler | f8l: Thank you kind sir. |
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| 11:30.02 | themill | cousin_mario: what "problem" would this be> |
| 11:30.14 | cousin_mario | themill: corrupted, somehow |
| 11:30.34 | f8l | trifler: Faster and more accurate. You deserved it. ;-) |
| 11:30.36 | jil | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:30.47 | cousin_mario | themill: is it possible to re-create it? |
| 11:30.57 | themill | cousin_mario: please stick the command you are giving and the entire output in a pastebin. /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 11:31.30 | cousin_mario | themill: problem is, I fear you won't reply anymore if you saw that:D |
| 11:31.31 | trifler | f8l: I say like MS from the office "Wikipedia is the best thing ever. Anyone in the world can write anything they want about any subject. So you know you are getting the best possible information." |
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| 11:32.27 | themill | cousin_mario: that's quite probably why I'm asking too. Please ask whatever distro made your apt how to fix it. |
| 11:32.29 | cousin_mario | themill: http://pastebin.com/39df5rEY |
| 11:32.58 | cousin_mario | themill: is there an overall suggestion you could give? |
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| 11:34.30 | themill | cousin_mario: a few. (a) Learn when you need to use sudo and when you don't. (b) Learn how to use "dpkg -l" properly (grep is not needed). (c) Hit Sun/Oracle/Vbox people over the head with a copy of the debian policy manual until they stop making broken packages and (d) /msg dpkg available |
| 11:34.35 | tty3 | good day for all |
| 11:34.37 | tty3 | :) |
| 11:35.07 | thewanderer1 | CutMeOwnThroat: >> my lcd monitors were "out of range" for X _and_ text consoles, which kind of sucked --- so what did you have to do? O.o |
| 11:35.25 | cousin_mario | themill: thanks man;) |
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| 11:35.54 | cousin_mario | themill: I have another question you might not like |
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| 11:36.10 | themill | cousin_mario: please take ubuntu support questions to #ubuntu. |
| 11:36.17 | cousin_mario | themill: it's about squeeze |
| 11:36.26 | cousin_mario | namely, any word on its release?;) |
| 11:36.32 | themill | !wwr |
| 11:36.33 | themill | !wwsr |
| 11:36.51 | Nephy | squeeze works great :) |
| 11:36.56 | Nephy | ~ |
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| 11:37.00 | themill | cousin_mario: when it's ready.... end of year if we're lucky |
| 11:37.12 | cousin_mario | that's good to hear |
| 11:37.20 | themill | !botspank |
| 11:37.20 | dpkg | oi, stop that |
| 11:40.08 | Nephy | btw anyone tried gnomenu on squeeze ? |
| 11:40.34 | wrksx | how can I check if cron is installed on my system ? |
| 11:40.48 | wrksx | in command line since i'm talkin about a server |
| 11:41.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg -l is your friend |
| 11:41.08 | dpkg | No packages found matching is your friend |
| 11:41.19 | deepy | lol |
| 11:42.00 | wrksx | thx |
| 11:42.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | lol |
| 11:43.21 | wrksx | where are located the cron.deny and cron.allow on debian ? |
| 11:43.25 | wrksx | (lenny) |
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| 11:43.41 | deepy | locate is your friend |
| 11:43.47 | wrksx | locate ? |
| 11:43.51 | cahoot | find perhaps? |
| 11:43.52 | deepy | man locate |
| 11:44.21 | wrksx | locate command not found |
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| 11:44.58 | wrksx | i'll instaall it |
| 11:45.01 | wrksx | thanks |
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| 11:45.58 | marekw2143 | hi, how to install python pstats module in debian? |
| 11:46.09 | wrksx | cron.deny, or cron.allow doesn't exist, so I wish to create a cron.allow but i DON'T KNOW WHERE TO create it |
| 11:46.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | thewanderer1, boot into single-user mode... then it never tries to start X and never loads the kernel module responsible... so then I had the text console back and installed fglrx, which worked (although I didn't know about dkms, and the line from the factoid didn't parse my kernel correctly, so I built with m-a) |
| 11:46.14 | wrksx | sry for the caps |
| 11:46.46 | stew | wrksx: in /etc |
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| 11:46.56 | stew | (man 1 crontab) |
| 11:47.05 | antizeus | how could i proceed to reconfigure all settings for my keyboard ? |
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| 11:47.29 | wrksx | stew, what does the '1' mean ? |
| 11:47.44 | stew | marekw2143: install python-profiler from non-free (/msg dpkg non-free) |
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| 11:47.58 | themill | wrksx: it's the manual "section". see "man man" for details |
| 11:48.04 | wrksx | ok |
| 11:48.04 | antizeus | can someone help me ? i am having problems with my keyboard since yesterday :( |
| 11:48.15 | antizeus | i just need to reconfigure it. |
| 11:48.16 | stew | wrksx: crontab has manpages in both section 1 (user commands) and section 5 (file formats) (man man will explain the sections) |
| 11:48.21 | antizeus | and i don't know what is the proper tool for. |
| 11:48.22 | themill | wrksx: if you run "apropos crontab" you'll see that crontab appears in two different sections |
| 11:48.23 | marekw2143 | stew: thanks |
| 11:48.28 | sedulous | My notebook's Intel HDA sound system supposedly has a power saving mode. How can I make sure that it's activated? Is muting the ALSA device enough? |
| 11:48.43 | antizeus | it seems that my layout is wrong. the ckbcomp is loading some file which doesn't exist. |
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| 11:49.11 | wrksx | themill, hum... that's a good tip. thank you. |
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| 11:51.14 | cousin_mario | themill: I followed dpkg's instructions and all is well, but /var/lib/dpkg/available is much larger now (38M vs. 2.7M): why is that? |
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| 11:52.28 | sedulous | cat /sys/module/snd_hda_intel/parameters/power_save |
| 11:52.30 | thewanderer1 | sedulous: google it, the snd-intel-hda module should have an idle timeout option in seconds |
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| 11:53.11 | thewanderer1 | you can verify that it works if you hear a clicking sound after a given timeout (you might not, but at least I did in headphones) |
| 11:53.22 | antizeus | can someone help me ? |
| 11:53.28 | antizeus | i don't think it must be so hard. |
| 11:53.30 | antizeus | i am new to debian. |
| 11:53.37 | antizeus | i guess one of you can help me. |
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| 11:53.58 | antizeus | it is enough to tell me what is the tool that i need to reconfigure all settings for my keyboard. |
| 11:54.04 | thewanderer1 | if you have GNOME desktop environment, you can just use its keyboard configuration tool |
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| 11:54.14 | sedulous | thewanderer1: cool, thanks. i wondered what the value of the aforementioned sysfs key meant. |
| 11:54.28 | antizeus | thewanderer1: yea. it is working fine for gnome, however, when i run kde it doesn't work. |
| 11:54.40 | thewanderer1 | antizeus: KDE has its own tool for that |
| 11:54.43 | marekw2143 | how to install dot program? |
| 11:54.45 | antizeus | it tells me that ckbcomp didn't get running a given file. |
| 11:55.22 | antizeus | thewanderer1: yeah. when i try to login graphically by kdm or gdm it seems to not identify my keyboard. it simply doesn't work. so i have to login in text mode then to do 'startx' to run gnome. |
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| 11:55.27 | marekw2143 | hmm, I'll check dot2tex |
| 11:56.03 | thewanderer1 | I don't know what ckbcomp is |
| 11:56.13 | antizeus | thewanderer1: me too. |
| 11:56.17 | thewanderer1 | what do you mean by "identify my keyboard"? |
| 11:57.01 | thewanderer1 | you can't use your keyboard in X? |
| 11:57.08 | antizeus | thewanderer1: hmm.. it seems that my keyboard is unplugged from the machine. it simply doesn't work when i try to log in graphical environment. |
| 11:57.14 | thewanderer1 | as in "you press keys and nothing happens"? |
| 11:57.19 | antizeus | thewanderer1: yes. |
| 11:57.23 | antizeus | thewanderer1: that is. |
| 11:57.31 | thewanderer1 | what is this, then? Lenny, Squeeze or Sid? |
| 11:58.00 | antizeus | thewanderer1: well. it was lenny then i changed to squeeze yesterday. it was when my keyboard stopped working. |
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| 11:58.26 | thewanderer1 | that's about the only scenario I could imagine |
| 11:58.35 | thewanderer1 | is it a USB keyboard or PS/2? |
| 11:58.42 | antizeus | thewanderer1: it is a ps/2. |
| 11:58.50 | thewanderer1 | alright... do you have xorg.conf? |
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| 11:59.46 | antizeus | thewanderer1: yes. it was incorrectly written. something like xkblayout "alskjfdalkçdj" then i fixed it still keeps the problem. |
| 12:00.02 | antizeus | thewanderer1: it is fine now, i changed it to "br". |
| 12:00.17 | antizeus | thewanderer1: however, the problem persists. |
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| 12:02.14 | phaer | Hi, i try to use rt61pci for my wireless chip on debian squeeze. I've installed firmware-ralink and wireless-tools, and made sure that there is nothing about wlan0 in /etc/network/interfaces but network-manager does not display any wirless lan. |
| 12:02.26 | wrksx | I'd like to send mail containing the script output each time my cron task runs. Any leads ? |
| 12:02.33 | thewanderer1 | antizeus: do you have HAL running? |
| 12:02.41 | antizeus | thewanderer1: hmm, what is that ? |
| 12:02.46 | thewanderer1 | wrksx: | mail ? |
| 12:02.59 | phaer | "iwconfig wlan0 scanning" does not see anything either. The strange thing is, it worked out of the box with the same kernel version on another linux distribution. |
| 12:03.17 | thewanderer1 | antizeus: a daemon for hardware abstraction. ps auxww | grep hal | grep -v grep will show a line if it's running |
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| 12:03.38 | wrksx | thewanderer1, I'll take a look at this, thank you. (I'm a linux beginner) Do you think I can use |mail in the crontab directly ? |
| 12:04.01 | thewanderer1 | wrksx: I think you can... there should be examples, anyway |
| 12:04.12 | wrksx | k thx |
| 12:04.53 | thewanderer1 | phaer: `iwlist scan` should show proper results. does it? |
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| 12:05.58 | aguitel | how install ati card drivers in squeeze for hd3200 |
| 12:06.08 | phaer | thewanderer1: No. It says "no scan results" but i am sitting just 5 meters away from my router and had good reception on my other system. |
| 12:06.11 | antizeus | thewanderer1: http://pastebin.com/gxViardQ |
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| 12:08.38 | cousin_mario | well, thanks everybody |
| 12:08.39 | cousin_mario | bye! |
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| 12:13.16 | kox | anybody using iscsi multipathing under debian? |
| 12:13.33 | nsadmin | !ask |
| 12:13.33 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 12:13.47 | wrksx | <man 5 crontab> In addition to LOGNAME, HOME, and SHELL, cron(8) will look at MAILTO if it has any reason to send mail as a result of running commands in ‘‘this’’ crontab. |
| 12:13.54 | wrksx | where can I define MAILTO ? |
| 12:14.09 | wrksx | In the crontab directly ? |
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| 12:16.30 | jelly-home | wrksx: yes. |
| 12:17.05 | antizeus | thewanderer1: some idea ? |
| 12:17.17 | jelly-home | wrksx: just write it in, MAILTO = your@example.org |
| 12:17.31 | luminoso | any easy way for java6-sdk on sid? |
| 12:17.47 | jelly-home | ,versions sun-java6-jdk |
| 12:17.49 | judd | Package sun-java6-jdk on i386 -- etch-backports/non-free: 6-07-3~bpo40+1; lenny/non-free: 6-20-0lenny1; squeeze/non-free: 6.21-1; sid/non-free: 6.22-1 |
| 12:17.57 | wrksx | jelly-home, ok thank you ! |
| 12:18.19 | jelly-home | luminoso: add non-free to your sources.list and you should be set |
| 12:18.33 | rgr | hey, what letters were that in mrksx "man 5" submissions there? I have utf 8 and sae \221\221 and \222\222 instead of chars. |
| 12:18.39 | luminoso | thank you |
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| 12:19.18 | jkprg | Hi guys. What happend to emcast in squeeze? thx |
| 12:20.17 | aguitel | how install ati drivers in this card in squeeze for :hd3200 |
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| 12:25.34 | fbs | try fglrx |
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| 12:31.51 | aguitel | fbs, it work if i enable sid repo in squeeze |
| 12:32.06 | aguitel | strange |
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| 12:35.20 | fbs | :) |
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| 12:37.42 | nuovodna | hi, how can i pin local installed packages? |
| 12:37.49 | nuovodna | in Pin voice what i have to put ? |
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| 12:46.03 | bintut | any squeeze amd64 and xen 4.0 users here? anybody knows on which package does the pv-grub belongs? |
| 12:46.15 | MysteriousMan | Is there any documentation for 'apt-pkg' library? |
| 12:46.20 | MysteriousMan | I can't find anything |
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| 12:48.26 | wrksx | I setted up my cron job, is there a way to trigger its execution like now to test if everything goes well N |
| 12:48.27 | wrksx | ? |
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| 12:49.12 | jelly-home | you could set it up to executes two minutes from now... |
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| 12:50.23 | MysteriousMan | I really can't find the documetation :( |
| 12:50.30 | wrksx | jelly-home that's what I'm gonna do, thank you |
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| 12:56.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | I get what exactly looks like bug #454996 on squeeze, only the file is at a different place .... and the bug is from 2007 and closed - should I re-open that bug or file a new one |
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| 12:59.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt-rdepends? |
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| 13:03.34 | wcs | hi people |
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| 13:05.50 | wcs | I'm having a problem with amarok on lenny |
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| 13:06.32 | wcs | I recieve this error messege on the console: http://paste.debian.net/96913 |
| 13:07.21 | MysteriousMan | CutMeOwnThroat: That uses a console tool |
| 13:07.29 | MysteriousMan | CutMeOwnThroat: I want to use libapt |
| 13:07.43 | wcs | I'm running Lenny amd64 |
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| 13:08.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's "console tool" |
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| 13:13.39 | Ring0` | Hi, I have 2 SSL certs. 1 is for domain.com & www.domain.com and 2 is for domain.com & root.domain.com |
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| 13:13.58 | Ring0` | I cannot apply them both since I have to put one of them into /etc/apache2/.../default |
| 13:14.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | wcs, try moving your configuration away and deleting the song database |
| 13:14.21 | Ring0` | So in this case one of those 2 subdomains will throw out cert error, how to avoid that? |
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| 13:16.44 | thewanderer1 | Ring0`: hmm, a wildcard cert would make your life easier. failing that, try SNI in gnuTSL... |
| 13:17.12 | nsadmin | , versions git-core |
| 13:17.14 | judd | Package git-core on i386 -- etch: 1:1.4.4.4-4+etch4; etch-security: 1:1.4.4.4-4+etch4; etch-backports: 1:1.5.6.5-3+lenny2~bpo40+1; lenny: 1:1.5.6.5-3+lenny3.1; lenny-volatile: 1:1.5.6.5-3+lenny3.1+b1~volatile1; lenny-security: 1:1.5.6.5-3+lenny3.2; lenny-backports: 1:1.7.1-1.1~bpo50+1; sid: 1:1.7.1-1.1; squeeze: 1:1.7.1-1.1; experimental: 1:1.7.2.3-1 |
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| 13:17.46 | Ring0` | thewanderer1: Yes it would but I took SSL for the first time (StartCom Ltd. offers free Class 1 certs with unlimited amount) and I would like to avoid paying for now |
| 13:17.59 | Ring0` | since it's not company nor some bussiness site, just a private testing ssl |
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| 13:18.44 | thewanderer1 | so each of your certificates has 2 domains under it... |
| 13:19.02 | thewanderer1 | then you have to use SNI and a compatible browser on the client side |
| 13:19.50 | Ring0` | Oh dear |
| 13:20.09 | Ring0` | 2nd requirement make this fail from the beggin ^ |
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| 13:20.22 | thewanderer1 | don't worry, recent IE browsers should support that |
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| 13:20.43 | Ring0` | So I better keep the cert domain.com + www.domain.com |
| 13:20.44 | thewanderer1 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server_Name_Indication#Browsers |
| 13:20.50 | Ring0` | and start using rewritemodule |
| 13:20.57 | thewanderer1 | well, you could |
| 13:20.57 | Ring0` | instead of new subdomains |
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| 13:21.09 | wcs | doesn't work, still having the same error |
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| 13:22.00 | Ring0` | thewanderer1: And by the way. I'm forcing peope to redirect www.domain.com -> domain.com but before apache will do this redirection it sends SSL verification |
| 13:22.14 | Ring0` | can I set redirection BEFORE it send SSL, then I will not have to secure www.domain.com |
| 13:22.31 | thewanderer1 | well, you have to use http for that initial redirection then |
| 13:23.08 | Ring0` | thewanderer1: So when user will manually type https://www.domain.com he will get untrust warning again |
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| 13:23.46 | thewanderer1 | Ring0`: I know - tell them to type http://www.domain.com only :P |
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| 13:23.53 | Ring0` | ^^ |
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| 13:28.24 | Ring0` | thewanderer1: Sorry to bother you again, that's weird since in /etc/apache2/.../default I put first redirect www.domain.com -> domain.com and then if not SSL -> redirect to https |
| 13:28.36 | Ring0` | but it still redirects to SSL before removing www |
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| 13:29.04 | themill | Ring0`: there is no way of doing that -- and that's by design |
| 13:29.45 | Ring0` | themill: Aww, that's gay :/ |
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| 13:29.52 | thewanderer1 | I think most sites do it by a transitional page - like index.html sending a header to change to http, or some JavaScript crap, link... |
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| 13:31.31 | themill | Ring0`: I don't know that the sexuality of a protocol is determined. It's also quite intentional that this is the case -- why would you want a client to believe a redirect when it hasn't verified that it's talking to the right server? |
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| 13:31.51 | Ring0` | thewanderer1 themill: Thanks for your time! |
| 13:32.13 | Ring0` | themill: Just because of the limitations from SSL provider ^^ but I understand it's matter of security |
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| 13:54.11 | {g} | Hello Debian Girls! When I do "cat file.txt | sed 's/.*/x/'" I get a bunch of x as return. Looks like sed applies the expression to every line. Is there a switch so it applies it to the whole file? |
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| 13:55.33 | abrotman | insults and asks for help! |
| 13:56.03 | AimHere | Is being a girl an insult now? Misogynist! |
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| 13:56.15 | {g} | Girls are Boys, just better. |
| 13:56.18 | abrotman | assuming we're all girls ? |
| 13:56.25 | spetrea-home | AimHere: I'm pretty sure you just got 10 /pm s from users right now :)) |
| 13:56.48 | abrotman | there is a #sed |
| 13:57.03 | spetrea-home | {g}: use Perl instead |
| 13:57.19 | spetrea-home | {g}: use Perl for the greater good :) |
| 13:57.48 | {g} | spetrea-home: how can you replace sed s/a/b/ with perl? |
| 13:57.51 | AimHere | {g}, also, that's a useless use of cat |
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| 13:58.09 | AimHere | perl -pe "s/.*/x/" < file.txt |
| 13:58.31 | abrotman | {g}: what do you want to actually have happen to the file? |
| 13:59.02 | themill | "echo x > file.txt" .... |
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| 13:59.57 | AimHere | If I read the original query correctly, he wants 'sed' to take an entire file as input and output 'x' |
| 14:00.37 | themill | (I'm guessing the question is really about multi-line replacement with sed...) |
| 14:01.00 | SunDragon | which isn't really what sed was originally designed to do |
| 14:03.46 | AimHere | The /s suffix on the perl regexes is maybe what he wanted. 'make . match a newline' |
| 14:03.57 | AimHere | What that is in sed, I dunno. |
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| 14:10.33 | EduardeCalibal | Hello. I have a command to halt a kernell module without unload it? |
| 14:12.21 | k-man | i'm doing an upgrade of squeeze, which is updating grub, but it seems to be taking ages |
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| 14:13.54 | {g} | How can I echo two lines? echo "line 1\nline 2" seems not to be it. |
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| 14:14.17 | EduardeCalibal | k-man, I dont remember about the time of this operation, but dont is a good signal. |
| 14:14.18 | SunDragon | echo -e "line1\nline2" |
| 14:14.24 | SunDragon | or echo "line1 |
| 14:14.26 | SunDragon | line2" |
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| 14:14.36 | {g} | SunDragon: thanks! |
| 14:15.01 | k-man | EduardeCalibal: what did you mean? |
| 14:15.06 | SunDragon | are shell questions on topic? |
| 14:15.17 | EduardeCalibal | Good tip SunDragon. :D |
| 14:15.42 | EduardeCalibal | k-man, I dont know... Only my imagination. |
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| 14:17.55 | abrotman | EduardeCalibal: you can force it to unload |
| 14:18.44 | EduardeCalibal | Yes, but the plan is dont unload. |
| 14:19.35 | EduardeCalibal | Ok... If I have a module and this module give a dev (ie.: /dev/hda). I need stay with the dev but stop the module activity. |
| 14:20.02 | EduardeCalibal | If I unload it then the device is removed from /dev |
| 14:21.15 | SparFux | Hi. I am using debian with icedtea plugin. Formerly I had sun plugin installed which did not even auth the application, but still now the java phone just doesn't work. |
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| 14:21.44 | SparFux | no app appears, though with the icedtea plugin, it at least asks wether it should be allowed to run. |
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| 14:23.38 | thewanderer1 | EduardeCalibal: when you unload a module, it calls its cleanup procedure which destroys the device file |
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| 14:24.12 | kokand | Hi |
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| 14:25.26 | thewanderer1 | I don't know how you would want to "stop" a module - it's not a process! |
| 14:25.33 | EduardeCalibal | thewanderer1, yes, this is what I don't need. The cleanup procedure. |
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| 14:25.50 | thewanderer1 | but what exactly do you want from this little poor module? :P |
| 14:25.56 | EduardeCalibal | Yes... Dont is a process. |
| 14:26.07 | EduardeCalibal | Maybe don't is possible. |
| 14:26.12 | EduardeCalibal | :-/ |
| 14:26.31 | Tojo_ | hi there, is there anybody who knows what are the critical services that init have to launch ? |
| 14:26.34 | EduardeCalibal | In any case thanks |
| 14:27.05 | thewanderer1 | Tojo_: nothing, really... you can just run Linux kernel |
| 14:27.09 | SunDragon | Tojo_: there are none |
| 14:27.35 | SunDragon | for proof see busybox or the installation program for just about any linux distribution |
| 14:27.55 | thewanderer1 | heck, one can replace init with their own C program and run with that |
| 14:28.14 | SunDragon | thewanderer1: as it should be |
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| 14:31.00 | Tojo_ | by "critical", i should say important like deamons (rpc, nfs, inet,...) :) |
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| 14:35.55 | Tojo_ | we don't do anything with the kernel only ! |
| 14:36.19 | SunDragon | my wireless router runs the kernel and busybox |
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| 14:38.53 | Viks | Hi, I need some help from Linux gurus. |
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| 14:39.48 | Viks | anyone willing to help noobie ?? |
| 14:40.13 | AimHere | dpkg tell Viks about ask |
| 14:40.25 | Viks | I have recently installed Debian squeezy on my plugcomputer |
| 14:40.39 | Viks | everything is working fine except one package |
| 14:41.02 | Viks | it is mosquitto (kind of message broker ) |
| 14:41.18 | Viks | whenevr I run it I get "Illegal Instruction ? error |
| 14:41.33 | Viks | what is wrong ?? |
| 14:44.06 | AimHere | What's the actual package name? |
| 14:44.33 | kefalo | Viks, how do u start it? |
| 14:45.19 | AimHere | I can't look up mosquito/mosquitto in apt-cache or the debian package repository |
| 14:45.31 | Viks | Kefalo I run it ./mosquitto |
| 14:45.56 | AimHere | Umm, that's not how you'd normally run any part of Debian |
| 14:45.57 | kefalo | AimHere, thats why i asked him how he starts it.. :) |
| 14:45.57 | Viks | www. mosquitto.org |
| 14:46.03 | themill | Viks: what does "file mosquitto" say (run it from the same directory as you'd try to start it from) |
| 14:46.19 | kefalo | Viks, how did you install that program? |
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| 14:46.50 | Viks | Ok guys, I think I am doing something fundamentally wrong here. Let me start from beginning |
| 14:47.09 | Viks | I have downloaded source from www.mosquitto.org |
| 14:47.15 | kefalo | there is joke in bosnia... mosquitto... i hope its not that joke.. :P |
| 14:47.52 | AimHere | Umm, surely this is a question for mosquitto technical support, since this program isn't part of Debian? |
| 14:48.31 | Viks | this package does not have good technical support |
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| 14:48.33 | AimHere | The webpage tells me there's a bug database, and even a freenode channel, #mqtt |
| 14:48.48 | Viks | no one is answering in #MQTT |
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| 14:50.21 | AimHere | Sad as that is, what makes you think people who've probably never heard of this app are better at tech support than people who have, but aren't looking at their IRC window right now? |
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| 14:51.11 | Viks | I guess, just trying my luck. if someone has used it here :) |
| 14:51.28 | jelly-home | Viks: this channel is about tech support for issues in the Debian distro, not really about random things that might run on Debian |
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| 14:51.53 | Viks | Jelly-home alright, thanks |
| 14:52.14 | jelly-home | Viks: you could try a generic Linux channel like ##linux, or wait a few hours/days in the channel for your software |
| 14:52.41 | Viks | sure thanks |
| 14:53.16 | jelly-home | illegal instruction implies the software isn't built with your hardware in mind |
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| 14:55.08 | Viks | Jelly-home, is there anyway to confirm it ? |
| 14:55.19 | Viks | I mean when I do "file mosquitto" |
| 14:55.22 | Viks | I get ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.18, stripped |
| 14:56.03 | Viks | while my uname-a gives "Linux debian 2.6.32-5-kirkwood #1 Sat Sep 18 15:20:08 UTC 2010 armv5tel GNU/Linux |
| 14:56.03 | Viks | " |
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| 14:56.44 | jelly-home | Viks: ask the people who built it |
| 14:56.49 | themill | Viks: you can't run i386 stuff on an armel device |
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| 14:57.48 | Viks | all right guys, I think there are some fundamental issues. I will give up on this until I get response from developers |
| 14:57.52 | Viks | thanks for all ur help |
| 14:57.56 | themill | Viks: er... nevermind, you're not doing that. |
| 14:58.08 | themill | Viks: yes, talk to whomever built that and/or upstream. |
| 14:58.19 | jelly-home | you shouldn't be able to install packages for i386 on an armel installation anyway, so I assumed that didn't take place |
| 14:58.34 | Viks | it is not i386 package |
| 14:59.07 | jelly-home | indeed, but there are many flavors of arm |
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| 15:00.57 | alnr | is there an alternative pkg to smbclient/smbfs for connecting to samba, i'm running debian vps on a host that doesnt support cifs. eg SMBNetFS |
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| 15:01.23 | kuttenbrunzer | the package "build-essential" has no more the "configure" command. Which package has it? |
| 15:01.53 | jelly-home | alnr: if your provider supports running FUSE-based filesystems, there's fusesmb |
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| 15:02.16 | jelly-home | alnr: but smbclient is userspace and should work |
| 15:02.54 | alnr | i was getting from smbmount, 'mount error: cifs filesystem not supported by the system ' |
| 15:03.08 | jelly-home | alnr: that's not the /usr/bin/smbclient binary |
| 15:03.42 | alnr | jelly-home: can i do the mount with smbclient? |
| 15:03.55 | pipeline | smbclient is a userspace client, like ftp |
| 15:04.05 | pipeline | smbmount is a tool that tries to invoke the system's smbfs support |
| 15:04.06 | jelly-home | alnr: no, but you can get and put and manage files |
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| 15:04.54 | alnr | jelly-home: pipeline: oh, k, thanks. i'm looking for the transparency of a mount though |
| 15:05.17 | alnr | my provider first mentioned fuse but then steered me to smbnetfs |
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| 15:07.16 | thewanderer1 | alnr: do you really have to mount the remote location as smbfs? can you migrate it to NFS or perhaps put it behind a protocol translator? |
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| 15:08.38 | alnr | thewanderer1: actually i was migrating from NFS :) smb was easier for windows clients |
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| 15:08.52 | thewanderer1 | eh... why not dual-protocol? |
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| 15:09.08 | thewanderer1 | export the same via CIFS and NFS |
| 15:09.13 | SunDragon | smb can sometimes be more compatible than NFS between disparate systems even when Windows is not involved |
| 15:09.45 | jelly-home | my windows 7 has showmount and mount and nfs works! :-D |
| 15:09.50 | alnr | SunDragon: it seemed easier to run smb server on debian and have disparate clients (windows and linux) |
| 15:10.29 | alnr | jelly-home: i forget, oh yeah on windows 7 PRO, they decided not to support NFS! |
| 15:10.38 | alnr | bastages, its only in the ultimate |
| 15:10.57 | thewanderer1 | NFSv4? |
| 15:11.27 | alnr | the NSF client support, apparently it was in XP pro, then they dropped it in win7pro |
| 15:11.32 | alnr | NFS |
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| 15:12.02 | thewanderer1 | strange... I've never seen any NFS in XP... |
| 15:12.20 | thewanderer1 | UID mapping must be so much fun there |
| 15:12.23 | alnr | thewanderer1: i think it was an add-in |
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| 15:13.36 | kristian-aalborg | hi all |
| 15:13.50 | kristian-aalborg | I did a "vanilla" install of debian, with autopartiotioning |
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| 15:14.49 | kristian-aalborg | I have sda 1,5,6,8,9 - which is most likely to be /home? |
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| 15:16.05 | thewanderer1 | kristian-aalborg: do you have this all mounted now? |
| 15:16.11 | kristian-aalborg | yes |
| 15:16.18 | thewanderer1 | `mount` and see which is home |
| 15:16.19 | kristian-aalborg | I'm about to install puppy as well |
| 15:16.29 | klumpy | df -h |
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| 15:20.04 | xen-on | howto copy debian to usb and boot usb |
| 15:20.26 | xen-on | debian 506 |
| 15:20.36 | kristian-aalborg | xen-on: unetbootin? |
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| 15:20.51 | babilen | xen-on: Ask dpkg about "usb install" (/msg dpkg usb install) |
| 15:20.57 | SunDragon | puppy is cute |
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| 15:21.49 | aguitel_ | what best way to install ati drivers ? |
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| 15:22.07 | xen-on | i use ubuntu 10.10 |
| 15:22.28 | babilen | xen-on: The instruction in the installation guide should work on Ubuntu also |
| 15:22.39 | klumpy | aptitude install unetbootin |
| 15:23.35 | babilen | aguitel_: Which ATI drivers are you referring to? |
| 15:23.48 | babilen | !tell aguitel_ -about radeon |
| 15:23.52 | aguitel_ | babilen, hd3200 |
| 15:24.09 | klumpy | I always choose Intel and Nvidia. |
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| 15:24.33 | babilen | aguitel_: Or ask dpkg about "fglrx" for the proprietary ones |
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| 15:26.32 | babilen | aguitel_: I would recommend trying the radeon driver. It works fine here and might be everything you need. (http://www.x.org/wiki/radeon) |
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| 15:29.44 | Moult | a package is messing up, how do i uninstall and reinstall it without leaving any leftover configs and such from the old install? |
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| 15:34.01 | Moult | apt-get remove and purge. rtfm Moult. whoops. |
| 15:34.51 | aguitel_ | babilen, radeon is comming with squeeze? |
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| 15:41.53 | aguitel_ | i installed gnome-core ,how install openoffice in command line ? |
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| 15:42.28 | xen-on | pc no support boot usb |
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| 16:03.39 | babilen | aguitel_: Yes -- In the xserver-xorg-video-radeon. Note that you also need the firmware-linux-nonfree package |
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| 16:04.38 | aguitel_ | babilen, but i installed xserver-xorg-video-ati ,this is correct ? |
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| 16:05.20 | babilen | aguitel_: Fine as well. It is a metapackage that pulls in -radeon (among others) |
| 16:05.32 | aguitel_ | babilen, a ok |
| 16:05.34 | babilen | judd: depends xserver-xorg-video-ati |
| 16:05.35 | judd | Package xserver-xorg-video-ati -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1), xserver-xorg-core (>= 2:1.4), xserver-xorg-video-r128, xserver-xorg-video-mach64, xserver-xorg-video-radeon. |
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| 16:09.21 | aguitel_ | babilen, i am in laptop pavillion dv4-1212 and it works great squeeze |
| 16:10.37 | babilen | aguitel_: wonderful :) |
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| 16:14.34 | stax321 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:14.55 | qwd | stax321: spam |
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| 16:15.34 | SunDragon | we do not like green eggs and spam |
| 16:15.38 | stax321 | oh sorry |
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| 16:15.41 | stax321 | the wrong link |
| 16:15.42 | stax321 | dont click on it |
| 16:15.45 | stax321 | wait a se |
| 16:15.45 | stax321 | c |
| 16:16.00 | qwd | riiight.... |
| 16:16.01 | nsadmin | stax321: not going to click on anything... |
| 16:16.03 | nsadmin | so |
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| 16:16.21 | nsadmin | you tell here what problem you're experiencing |
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| 16:16.27 | dvs | can't now |
| 16:16.48 | dvs | he'll have to stew for a while! ;-) |
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| 16:17.21 | SunDragon | goat.stew |
| 16:17.23 | nsadmin | stax stews in a stack of stew |
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| 16:17.59 | qwd | he posted the same link in #bash |
| 16:18.06 | nsadmin | hmm. |
| 16:18.12 | nsadmin | so he's a spammer then |
| 16:18.34 | nsadmin | stax stews in a stack of spam stew |
| 16:18.55 | eshat | Hi all, how can I built the terminus font into my initrd ? |
| 16:19.08 | ThistleWeb | hi all, I found a bug in iceweasel on squeeze, it pops up a dialog box at random telling you it needs to restart to install / update / remove some addons, but gives no reason why. None of the addons are listed as needing changed after restart |
| 16:19.27 | nsadmin | your initrd doesn't need a font, its only purpose is to mount / and continue booting |
| 16:19.55 | eshat | nsadmin: good point, but what if a unique look is important for me |
| 16:20.16 | nsadmin | initrds do NOT do looks. that happens after the initrd is GONE. |
| 16:20.33 | SunDragon | i've noticed that my large downloads from archive.org take a lot less processor time if i do them in lynx than if i do them in firefox.. i wonder if firefox is doing some unnecessary polling |
| 16:20.48 | eshat | nsadmin: I think you are wrong, but maybe I didn't explaint myself correctly... |
| 16:21.23 | eshat | I want the messages, that appear before the kernel is loaded to be in the same font ( in my term terminus) like the filesystem configuration. |
| 16:21.59 | nsadmin | is the term program in your initrd? |
| 16:22.43 | eshat | nsadmin: but something in the initrd must be doing the displaying of the font |
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| 16:23.56 | nsadmin | what is terminus exactly and how does it figure into the boot process? |
| 16:24.09 | eshat | nsadmin: terminus us a console font type |
| 16:24.14 | eshat | us=is |
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| 16:26.40 | ThistleWeb | is there an irc channel I can point out a bug? or am I wasting my time? |
| 16:27.05 | nsadmin | you can email package@bugs.debian.org |
| 16:27.08 | dvs | ThistleWeb: you'd be better off filing a bug |
| 16:27.28 | stew | ThistleWeb: /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 16:27.35 | babilen | eshat: A (very) short google revealed http://grub.enbug.org/gfxterm no idea if that is what you are looking for though. And honestly: I wouldn't spend hours working on this problem, but have fun. |
| 16:27.39 | ThistleWeb | ty |
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| 16:28.05 | eshat | babilen: thanks, but I am bored and looking for perfection :D |
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| 16:28.24 | nsadmin | if you are bored, how can you get to perfection? |
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| 16:29.35 | eshat | nsadmin: sorry I am not a native english speaker |
| 16:29.41 | babilen | eshat: http://people.debian.org/~vorlon/rc-bugsquashing.html ;) |
| 16:29.59 | eshat | babilen: this had to be mentioned |
| 16:30.16 | nsadmin | there are translation tools available (not believing you don't understand tho) |
| 16:30.46 | gaby_ | hi guys I have a fresh new squeeze 64 bit installed on a lenovo g555. I'm experiencing some problems for example when I plug in an headphone jack it does not mute the speakers or when I go in stanby and log back in the volume is muted. HDA ATI audio alsa mixer |
| 16:31.03 | xand | liable: ok then. |
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| 16:31.15 | liable | hehe |
| 16:31.30 | eshat | nsadmin: what I mean was: I am having time to optimize my system... |
| 16:31.45 | nsadmin | oh ok |
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| 16:32.14 | nsadmin | how often do you boot? |
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| 16:32.25 | eshat | nsadmin: about 4-5 times a day |
| 16:32.27 | nsadmin | twice a year? |
| 16:32.33 | eshat | no |
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| 16:32.46 | nsadmin | why would you boot that often? |
| 16:32.49 | doublehp | how to make my system NOT memorise MAC of my NICs ? after replacing my NIC, it's now eth1 ; how do i make debian forget the old one and use eth0 for the new ? |
| 16:33.14 | nsadmin | that has to do with udev I think |
| 16:33.17 | eshat | doublehp: delete /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
| 16:33.20 | eshat | and reboot |
| 16:33.27 | cahoot | no need reboot |
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| 16:33.36 | dvs | doublehp: just erase the line you don't want |
| 16:33.37 | cahoot | just run udevadm trigger |
| 16:33.56 | doublehp | if i comment it, will be kept in place ? |
| 16:34.02 | eshat | cahoot: won't there be problems with i.e. network-manager ? I think a reboot is the savest way |
| 16:34.18 | dvs | doublehp: no, because the device name is the last item on the line |
| 16:34.37 | cahoot | !70 |
| 16:34.38 | dpkg | udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address since version 0.090. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Lenny, Squeeze) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch). If you want the mappings to change, edit the respective file. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" ("udevtrigger" on Etch) or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>. |
| 16:34.45 | xand | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:34.46 | dpkg | You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>. |
| 16:35.02 | doublehp | the rest is fine ... for me thx |
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| 16:36.39 | nsadmin | probably the biggest reason to reboot now is if your machine is off now |
| 16:37.43 | babilen | … wouldn't that be "booting" ? |
| 16:37.49 | jelly-home | if it's off, you can't reboot immediately... you can merely boot |
| 16:37.59 | jelly-home | what he said |
| 16:38.23 | babilen | I guess we figured out why eshat is booting that often :) |
| 16:38.47 | cahoot | isn't any boot but the first a reboot? |
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| 16:38.53 | doublehp | NIC's still eth1 ! |
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| 16:39.06 | HideMe | hi |
| 16:39.17 | nsadmin | de? |
| 16:39.27 | cahoot | doublehp: remove the file |
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| 16:40.48 | nsadmin | cahoot, after doing the trigger, it regenerates it? |
| 16:40.53 | doublehp | how do i regenrate grub ? sth like menu-regen-grub .... |
| 16:41.07 | cahoot | nsadmin: IME yes |
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| 16:41.44 | nsadmin | update-grub |
| 16:42.00 | nsadmin | or maybe grub-update |
| 16:42.16 | doublehp | y :) |
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| 16:43.05 | gaby_ | hi guys I have a fresh new squeeze 64 bit installed on a lenovo g555. I'm experiencing some problems for example when I plug in an headphone jack it does not mute the speakers or when I go in stanby and log back in the volume is muted. HDA ATI audio alsa mixer |
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| 16:44.06 | dvs | gaby_: you need a newer kernel. |
| 16:44.23 | gaby_ | I have 32 |
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| 16:44.31 | dvs | you need at least 35 |
| 16:44.51 | gaby_ | can I compile it with "oldconfig" without changing stuff or what shall I change? |
| 16:45.18 | dvs | gaby_: it's a bug in the module (snd_hda) |
| 16:45.20 | gaby_ | dvs, btw are you sure it will fix? |
| 16:45.30 | nsadmin | compile? |
| 16:45.30 | dvs | gaby_: it fixed my laptop. |
| 16:45.43 | gaby_ | dvs, oh I see. thx I will try asap |
| 16:45.43 | nsadmin | why compile? |
| 16:45.53 | nsadmin | is the kernel not available? |
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| 16:46.04 | gaby_ | nsadmin, is 35 avaiable in repos? |
| 16:46.18 | dvs | nsadmin: in experimental but I'd prefer to roll my own instead of mess with experimental. |
| 16:46.19 | nsadmin | that's what I'm asking |
| 16:46.43 | SunDragon | wow, i haven't used mutt since 2006 and i still remember some of the key bindings |
| 16:47.26 | gaby_ | dvs, ok so if I compile maybe it's better to do things in a proper way. Any tips to increase battery life? I have an athlon p320 duo |
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| 16:50.09 | eilgin | Will|: |
| 16:50.10 | osfd | Hi there. I try to install the nvidia driver but I can't get through the thing |
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| 16:51.07 | osfd | I get the following error: |
| 16:51.08 | osfd | Build of the package nvidia-kernel-source failed! How do │ |
| 16:51.10 | osfd | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:51.36 | osfd | I use this method: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
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| 16:51.52 | metalfoo | apt tells you, what failed. |
| 16:52.12 | Moult | i seem to have hit this bug, http://osdir.com/ml/debian-bugs-closed/2009-08/msg00883.html how do i install the latest >=0.7.1 version of suphp? (sorry a beginner to debian) |
| 16:52.33 | osfd | I use this m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source |
| 16:52.52 | metalfoo | Yes. This provides you upon request a log of what failed. |
| 16:53.11 | rudi_s | Moult: Are you on Lenny? |
| 16:53.13 | osfd | metalfoo: yes |
| 16:53.25 | Moult | rudi_s: yes. i think http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=519005 is the proper link |
| 16:53.33 | osfd | metalfoo: 1 sec I'll pastebin it |
| 16:53.34 | metalfoo | So read it or provide us at least the error messages. |
| 16:53.38 | rudi_s | Moult: Then you need to do a backport. |
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| 16:54.03 | rudi_s | !tell Moult about ssb |
| 16:54.08 | Moult | rudi_s: i don't understand, my suphp version in 0.6.2, the one they have there is 0.7.x |
| 16:55.11 | Moult | i don't want to include the patches into 0.6.2, i would simply like to upgrade my installation, thus there is no "backport", or am i misunderstanding something? |
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| 16:55.28 | rudi_s | !tell Moult about stable |
| 16:55.55 | rudi_s | Moult: The versions in stable don't change. Thus to get the latest version, you need to create a backport (= get the latest version from testing/sid) and install it. |
| 16:56.27 | Moult | rudi_s: ah ok. how do i ask dpkg about certain things in pm? |
| 16:56.55 | osfd | metalfoo: http://pastebin.com/KDMa22zn |
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| 16:59.04 | metalfoo | You are using a backports.org kernel which doesn't match the module source version. Either switch back to the original version Debian provides (corresponding to the supplied module source) or use a nvidia-kernel-source working with the bpo kernel. |
| 16:59.31 | metalfoo | Looks like ABI changes happened making the compilation impossible (at least in an automated manner) |
| 17:00.05 | rudi_s | Moult: pm? |
| 17:00.16 | Moult | rudi_s: private message, nevermind |
| 17:00.21 | rudi_s | Oh. /query dpkg |
| 17:00.24 | rudi_s | And just ask. |
| 17:00.36 | rudi_s | The things in <> are keywords. |
| 17:00.51 | osfd | metalfoo: ok, but where can I find the corresponding nvidia-kernel ? |
| 17:01.14 | nsadmin | under n? |
| 17:01.41 | metalfoo | osfd: On backports.debian.org if they exist. If not, you can still try to build the module on your own using the nvidia.com installer |
| 17:02.07 | osfd | metalfoo: way too complcated for me... |
| 17:02.33 | metalfoo | Well, either try it or live with the open sourced nv driver. |
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| 17:03.07 | nsadmin | hmm, if that's really the case, you'll have to go with a nonbackports kernel image |
| 17:03.19 | metalfoo | Yes. |
| 17:03.35 | Moult | rudi_s: i added the line in my sources, did apt-get update, and apt-get -t lenny-backports install libapache2-mod-suphp - but it says that it's already the newest version, ideas? |
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| 17:04.40 | rudi_s | Moult: It's not in backports, you have to create it yourself. ssb tells you how. |
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| 17:05.51 | Moult | rudi_s: sorry, ssb? |
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| 17:07.32 | rudi_s | Moult: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 17:08.53 | Moult | rudi_s: what do i put for the deb-src line, same as the backports except instead of deb at the beginning it's deb-src? |
| 17:09.36 | ma3x | what happens if you set cron @weekly? it executes every monday, right? what if the computer's shutdown at that time, will it cron launch on next boot? |
| 17:10.59 | poisonbit | ma3x, maybe you want to take a look to anacron |
| 17:11.12 | rudi_s | Moult: Best is to use sid. But ssb should've told you. |
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| 17:11.39 | Moult | rudi_s: oh sorry, i didn't quite understand "sid" :) my bad i'll ask the bot |
| 17:12.00 | poisonbit | ma3x, or write a script that checks such things in the logs, and put it in cron as @reboot alias |
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| 17:13.09 | monkey_d_luffy | I'm facing a kernel bug (will be going to submit a bug right about now) in which the device detection (at least USB storage) stops working, nothing on dmesg or /proc/partitions shows up. Any ideas on how can I fix the problem without rebooting the system? |
| 17:14.02 | SparFux | Why, with permissions -r--------. 1 root root doe I get the message "Starting crypto disk...win-dat: INSECURE OWNER FOR /etc/keys/win-dat.luks, see /usr/share/doc/cryptsetup/README.Debian. ... (warning). win-dat (running)...done." |
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| 17:14.33 | Moult | rudi_s: sorry for all the questions, rather new here, so is `deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian sid main contrib non-free` correct? |
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| 17:15.33 | jhutchins_lt | Moult: Do you mean to be running sid, or are you trying to get backports for lenny? |
| 17:15.50 | thepro4ever | how do i turn on syntax highlighting in vi???? |
| 17:16.11 | jordanm | thepro4ever: I believe you need the full vim |
| 17:16.12 | Moult | jhutchins_lt: i'm trying to get http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=519005 - but i did the instructions for lenny backports and it says it's already the most up to date version |
| 17:16.13 | jhutchins_lt | ma3x: anacron will do "catch-up" of missed cron jobs. |
| 17:16.25 | Moult | thepro4ever: :syntax on, also #vim |
| 17:16.30 | jordanm | thepro4ever: however, I am not a vim user, you can select which vim to use with update-alternatives --config vim |
| 17:16.34 | jhutchins_lt | Ok, do NOT add sid unless you REALLY like to play with broken systems. |
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| 17:17.02 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: that was a beb-src line |
| 17:17.10 | jordanm | deb-src even :) |
| 17:17.13 | Moult | jhutchins_lt: i like to, but not on my server thankyouverymuch :) so ... |
| 17:17.21 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions libapache2-mod-suphp |
| 17:17.22 | judd | Package libapache2-mod-suphp on i386 -- etch: 0.6.2-1+etch0; etch-security: 0.6.2-1+etch0; lenny: 0.6.2-3; sid: 0.7.1-1; squeeze: 0.7.1-1 |
| 17:17.36 | Moult | i guess i have to use sid then |
| 17:17.45 | jhutchins_lt | Moult: It's not in backports. Do NOT use sid. |
| 17:17.52 | jhutchins_lt | !tell Moult about ssb |
| 17:18.05 | jhutchins_lt | Use what dpkg told you to do your own backport. |
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| 17:18.24 | Moult | jhutchins_lt: oh yeah that was what i was doing, and so i was asking if the deb-src line i posted earlier was correct |
| 17:18.47 | jhutchins_lt | Moult: Using packages directly from sid risks pulling in libraries and other deps that may break your system. |
| 17:18.59 | jordanm | Moult: the line is fine |
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| 17:19.11 | Moult | jordanm: thanks, what's what i was hoping for |
| 17:19.16 | jhutchins_lt | jordanm: Got me frantically googling beb-src to figure out wtf... |
| 17:19.35 | jhutchins_lt | crawls back into his coffee cup. |
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| 17:20.31 | Shtl | How to enable syntax highlighting in vi editor? |
| 17:20.32 | linduxed | hey guys, since somewhere last week i transmission-remote has stopped working, every time i try to use it i get the following "Unexpected response: <h1>401: Unauthorized</h1>Unauthorized User localhost:9091" |
| 17:20.38 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: hehe |
| 17:20.49 | linduxed | doesn't matter what flag i use |
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| 17:21.06 | shadow` | any way to fix 'wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64'? |
| 17:21.07 | linduxed | Shtl: i'm not sure vi has syntax... |
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| 17:21.20 | linduxed | Shtl: vim does, but that's a different app |
| 17:21.30 | Shtl | i know vim |
| 17:21.43 | jordanm | linduxed: in debian, vi is actually vim.tiny, but it probably lacks it |
| 17:21.57 | jhutchins_lt | Shtl: Which vi do you have installed? |
| 17:22.02 | jordanm | (by default) |
| 17:22.45 | Shtl | jhutchins_lt: its 7.2.330 |
| 17:23.14 | Moult | jhutchins_lt rudi_s jordanm thanks :) i'm now running on 0.7.1 |
| 17:23.20 | Shtl | does this version supports that? |
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| 17:24.22 | linduxed | bump |
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| 17:25.59 | osfd | metalfoo: I went the nvidia way, it went smooth and I have now video acceleration...!! great |
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| 17:26.24 | metalfoo | osfd: Wasn't that complicated, wasn't it? |
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| 17:28.14 | osfd | metalfoo: pretty easy actually |
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| 17:32.20 | osfd | metalfoo: thx |
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| 17:33.06 | jhutchins_lt | Shtl: There are several different vi packages in debian, aptitude search vi* |
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| 17:33.57 | jhutchins_lt | Shtl: Wow, broken search term, returns everything. |
| 17:34.12 | Shtl | yes |
| 17:34.22 | Shtl | which one install for syntax |
| 17:34.39 | Shtl | mainely C/C++/PHP |
| 17:34.46 | jhutchins_lt | Shtl: I run vim-nox which has everything except the GUI hooks, it includes highlighting, but I believe you have to turn it on in your vimrc. |
| 17:34.53 | babilen | Shtl: Try "aptitude search ~n^vim" |
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| 17:42.55 | Shtl | where ll be vimrc? |
| 17:43.07 | babilen | Shtl: ~/.vimrc |
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| 17:45.02 | Shtl | its not there except .viminfo |
| 17:45.10 | Shtl | do i need to create one? |
| 17:45.31 | babilen | Shtl: Yeah, you can just create it. I am currently trying to find a good example which you can then adapt to your needs |
| 17:46.03 | Shtl | ok, thanks |
| 17:46.50 | Shtl | babilen: but by default its syntax enabled |
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| 17:47.11 | babilen | Shtl: vim-runtime (should be installed automatically) contains /usr/share/vim/vim72/vimrc_example.vim -- But you could also just start to create a new one from scratch |
| 17:47.33 | babilen | Shtl: Yeah, it uses /etc/vim/vimrc |
| 17:47.41 | Shtl | ok |
| 17:47.43 | pallgone | uhm, is squeeze amd64 still using hal? |
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| 17:48.13 | babilen | pallgone: Not necessarily, but you can install it if you want. |
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| 17:48.48 | babilen | pallgone: And hal was never installed in the base install IIRC |
| 17:48.49 | pallgone | babilen: I just noticed it has never been removed, on x86 it was |
| 17:49.18 | babilen | judd: versions hal --release sid |
| 17:49.19 | judd | Package hal on i386 -- sid: 0.5.14-3 |
| 17:49.34 | pallgone | ah well, I just removed it |
| 17:49.34 | babilen | still there :) |
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| 17:50.05 | pallgone | x86 did auto-remove hal, amd64 not |
| 17:50.07 | babilen | pallgone: I would say that you are not using hal then |
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| 17:50.30 | pallgone | no, I was just hanging around :) |
| 17:50.45 | babilen | pallgone: Probably a dropped dependency on hal |
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| 17:50.53 | pallgone | ehm, *it |
| 17:51.40 | pallgone | ok, good next task: configure mouse scroll wheel speed with udev... wish me luck |
| 17:53.53 | babilen | pallgone: Can't you configure that in Gnome's mouse settings? Or using gpointing-device-settings? |
| 17:54.06 | babilen | pallgone: Ah, forgot to wish you "Good Luck!" |
| 17:56.02 | pallgone | babilen: no, GNOME mouse settings don't have such an options, also gpointing-device-settings doesn't have it |
| 17:56.39 | pallgone | there are some serious threads about the topic on the net :) |
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| 18:00.13 | SparFux | It's insane. Why does debian complain about insecure permissions of /etc/keys/* when they are -r--------. 1 root root\ |
| 18:01.18 | pallgone | SparFux: of course it does, it's still readable for root ;) |
| 18:01.29 | SparFux | haha! |
| 18:01.31 | SparFux | ah! |
| 18:01.47 | SparFux | ok, perhaps it's the reson. But the README says, those should be exactly the permissions. |
| 18:01.49 | SparFux | let me try... |
| 18:01.57 | pallgone | no, it was a joke |
| 18:02.26 | SparFux | still complaining! |
| 18:02.32 | SparFux | pallgone: anyway, I tested. |
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| 18:03.07 | SparFux | you get this, too? http://pastebin.com/N4LGHJVr |
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| 18:04.19 | SparFux | chmod 400 *.luks should do the deal. |
| 18:04.43 | SparFux | it complains about this for more than half a year now! |
| 18:05.05 | SparFux | several times I checked, but haven't found the reason. |
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| 18:08.54 | SparFux | /lib/cryptsetup/cryptdisks.functions contains the culprit section of code. |
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| 18:10.17 | SparFux | "$OWNER" != "root" is crap, because OWNER==1 AND NOT root :-) |
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| 18:12.22 | pallgone | where can I find the mouse in /sys ? |
| 18:12.35 | SparFux | AHHH! I think it's because of SElinux LOL |
| 18:12.52 | jordanm | pallgone: huh? |
| 18:13.29 | thewanderer1 | /sys/class/input/ |
| 18:14.44 | pallgone | thewanderer1: thx |
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| 18:17.07 | aguitel_ | babilen, i am in squeeze in my laptop ,but the fan is always on ,how fix this? |
| 18:17.54 | jordanm | aguitel_: have you installed the "laptop" task? |
| 18:18.13 | aguitel_ | jordanm, only gnome-core |
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| 18:19.22 | thewanderer1 | aguitel_: on most laptops/BIOS, the fan speed is regulated by the hardware/firmware itself and you should not have to adjust that... |
| 18:19.32 | thewanderer1 | the only thing you should set is CPU frequency scaling |
| 18:19.35 | thewanderer1 | what CPU is that? |
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| 18:20.03 | aguitel_ | thewanderer1, pavillion dv4 1212 |
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| 18:20.25 | thewanderer1 | err, what processor in particular? |
| 18:20.36 | aguitel_ | thewanderer1, amd64 |
| 18:21.16 | aguitel_ | thewanderer1, jordanm i am running tasksel and then install laptop |
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| 18:21.39 | thewanderer1 | alright... do `cat /proc/cpuinfo` and see if it runs at its nominal frequency. if it runs at 1GHz or sth like 1.2GHz, you should be running cpufreq scaling |
| 18:21.51 | thewanderer1 | otherwise `modprobe acpi_cpufreq` |
| 18:22.13 | SparFux | The problem with my bug insecure message is that shitty ls output grepping! |
| 18:22.15 | jordanm | aguitel_: alright. that should install acpi stuff along with other things you likely would want |
| 18:22.41 | jordanm | SparFux: in a debian package? |
| 18:23.03 | SparFux | jordanm: many debian packages do program output grepping in shell scripts, don't you think? |
| 18:23.15 | jordanm | SparFux: yes, and they all need bugs filed |
| 18:23.18 | jordanm | IMO |
| 18:23.38 | aguitel_ | jordanm, cpu MHz: 1000.000 |
| 18:23.43 | SparFux | jordanm: yes, and I think I suggest using a program to write in C or whatever which offers a shell script interface to file permissions. |
| 18:23.54 | thewanderer1 | aguitel_: and this is not AMD Neo? |
| 18:24.08 | aguitel_ | thewanderer1, not |
| 18:24.22 | jordanm | SparFux: I don't see any valid use case for `ls | grep`, where find or globbing should not hav been used instead |
| 18:24.22 | thewanderer1 | then you have cpufreq scaling enabled now... |
| 18:24.24 | aguitel_ | thewanderer1, amd athlon |
| 18:24.39 | SparFux | jordanm: anyway, first I will search for a bug report already filed. But anyway, I think things like ls output grepping should not be done. OWNER=$(ls -l "$key" | sed 's/^.\{10\}[+]\?.[^[:space:]]* \([^[:space:]]*\).*/\1/') is crap. |
| 18:24.40 | aguitel_ | thewanderer1, how i do that |
| 18:24.55 | thewanderer1 | aguitel_: if it says 1000MHz, it's already done |
| 18:25.00 | thewanderer1 | (most probably) |
| 18:25.00 | jordanm | SparFux: aggreed. what package is this? |
| 18:25.13 | aguitel_ | thewanderer1, just waiting |
| 18:25.15 | SparFux | jordanm: cryptsetup. Ah! YOU are right. We already have the find. |
| 18:25.24 | SparFux | prolly it would be a fine replacement for this line. |
| 18:25.31 | meder | im having issues from trying to install my own package last night. here are the details if anyone is interested: http://serverfault.com/questions/191799/why-is-my-newly-created-package-not-installing-properly-did-i-create-a-conflict |
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| 18:25.52 | f8l | I've heard that it's possible to lower the frequency bellow the lowest CPUfreq setting. How can it be done? |
| 18:25.56 | SparFux | jordanm: cryptsetup file /lib/cryptsetup/cryptdisks.functions line 677 |
| 18:26.51 | thewanderer1 | f8l: it only works on selected CPU's and it's not really underclocking but undervolting |
| 18:27.08 | thewanderer1 | you do receive a slower clock as a result, though |
| 18:27.26 | thewanderer1 | http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Pentium_M_undervolting_and_underclocking |
| 18:27.42 | SparFux | jordanm: seems like this bug hasn't been filed so far. |
| 18:27.52 | jordanm | meder: that guide looks terrible.. a perfect example of why real documentation is better than silly howtos |
| 18:28.03 | thewanderer1 | aguitel_: the fan on your laptop should turn down automatically when it's possible |
| 18:28.04 | f8l | thewanderer1: But it does prolong the battery life, does it not? |
| 18:28.05 | thepro4ever | anyone know of any vocabulary enhancing games for linux that i could install on debian that are good? |
| 18:28.10 | thewanderer1 | f8l: it is said to |
| 18:28.12 | jordanm | SparFux: feel free :) |
| 18:28.32 | thewanderer1 | thepro4ever: bsdgames (bsd-games?) and then fire up 'boggle' or hangman |
| 18:28.34 | SparFux | jordanm: but the find is in /usr/bin and it appears to me it isn't available when this script is run at bootup. |
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| 18:29.00 | thewanderer1 | thepro4ever: there was also this KDE game which asks you for words... |
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| 18:29.14 | jordanm | meder: you always need to increment the changelog, preferably adding something like "local1" to the version |
| 18:29.18 | SparFux | jordanm: there is even a comment : # stat is unfortunately in /usr/bin... |
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| 18:29.38 | meder | jordanm: so this occurred because i didnt edit the changelog? |
| 18:29.47 | aguitel_ | thewanderer1, ok |
| 18:30.17 | f8l | thewanderer1: Thank you. I'll try to apply it to my Core2. |
| 18:30.20 | thewanderer1 | aguitel_: admittedly some fan adjustment techniques exist, but they invariably work worse than auto setting |
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| 18:30.29 | superlinux | hi. is there a way that can easily search and download the projects in sourcefourge.net the same way apt-get do? |
| 18:30.30 | thewanderer1 | f8l: there was a list of supported CPU's somewhere |
| 18:30.53 | aguitel_ | thewanderer1, ok i am waiting |
| 18:30.59 | jordanm | meder: actually that is confusing |
| 18:31.03 | jordanm | ,versions nginx |
| 18:31.03 | thewanderer1 | f8l: afaik, it doesn't work with L, ULV and SU series, just T Core2Duo |
| 18:31.03 | judd | Package nginx on i386 -- etch: 0.4.13-2+etch3; etch-security: 0.4.13-2+etch3; etch-backports: 0.5.35-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 0.6.32-3+lenny3; lenny-security: 0.6.32-3+lenny3; lenny-backports: 0.7.67-3~bpo50+1; sid: 0.7.67-3; squeeze: 0.7.67-3 |
| 18:31.19 | meder | jordanm: i had an outdated lenny-backports nginx |
| 18:31.25 | meder | then i grabbed 0.7.67-3~bp50+1 |
| 18:31.28 | meder | with apt-getsource |
| 18:31.34 | thewanderer1 | aguitel_: as far as I can tell, Athlons tend to run quite warm, so the waiting might be futile... |
| 18:31.39 | meder | then i modified the debian/rules on that to include the module for uwsgi |
| 18:31.39 | jordanm | meder: yes, you do need to increment the changelog. I'm not sure if thats why it didn't start however. you need to look in /var/log/daemon.log for information on that |
| 18:32.23 | meder | jordanm: theres barely any info in there |
| 18:32.25 | meder | sec, pasting |
| 18:32.44 | jordanm | meder: also, there is ask.debian.net now |
| 18:33.27 | meder | so that's not an official SE site? |
| 18:33.30 | meder | a clone? |
| 18:33.56 | jordanm | meder: SE? |
| 18:34.00 | meder | StackExchange |
| 18:34.06 | meder | the original software that is trying to mimic |
| 18:34.10 | meder | app, rather |
| 18:34.14 | f8l | thewanderer1: I think I have T5520. I'll give it a try. |
| 18:34.19 | meder | seems to be Shapado, that ruby clone |
| 18:34.22 | meder | jordanm: http://static.arounds.org/daemon.txt |
| 18:34.26 | meder | that is the daemon.log |
| 18:34.29 | jordanm | meder: it runs an open source clone of SE |
| 18:34.33 | jordanm | !adn |
| 18:34.34 | dpkg | [adn] http://ask.debian.net/ is a new web service that provides a question and answers system similar to stackoverflow. It runs on Shapado. |
| 18:34.57 | rvsjoen | hmm.. i'm having a hard time figuring out how to enable the backlight of my keyboard on a dell xps 1645, anyone ever done this ? |
| 18:35.00 | meder | there doesn't seem to be anything remotely related to nginx in daemon log |
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| 18:35.09 | jordanm | meder: nothing there about nginx |
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| 18:35.32 | meder | that's the entire file |
| 18:35.37 | jordanm | meder: is this a vps? |
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| 18:35.44 | meder | yessir |
| 18:35.52 | superlinux | looks like no one has an answer to my question |
| 18:35.57 | jordanm | meder: xen or openvz? |
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| 18:36.21 | meder | 90% sure its Xen, it's Linode |
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| 18:36.34 | jordanm | meder: well, I guess that doesn't matter. you typically don't want ntpd on a vps as the clock should stay in sync with the host |
| 18:37.13 | meder | ive never manually installed or modified or knew what ntpd was |
| 18:37.35 | meder | is it remotely related to my nginx issue? |
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| 18:37.40 | jordanm | ok, I guess they intended for it to be that ways then |
| 18:37.42 | jordanm | meder: no |
| 18:38.14 | jordanm | meder: did you try bindbn's suggestions? |
| 18:38.37 | meder | sudo nginx -t gave me successful syntax |
| 18:38.44 | meder | sudo nginx gave me.. http://pastie.org/private/jhediiavcqj3mq4pwde6w |
| 18:38.49 | meder | it failed to bind on 80 |
| 18:39.13 | phaer | meder: is apache or lighttpd running on port 80? ;) |
| 18:39.18 | meder | apache is on 8080 |
| 18:39.32 | meder | lighttpd i do not have installed |
| 18:39.32 | jordanm | meder: netstat -lnap | grep 80 |
| 18:40.07 | meder | nginx is on 80 |
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| 18:40.17 | DarkM | Hi guys, |
| 18:40.20 | DarkM | Got a question, |
| 18:40.20 | meder | wait.. sec |
| 18:40.20 | jordanm | meder: alright.. so what is the problem? |
| 18:40.41 | DarkM | How can I create an user, and allow him to use port forwarding like using ssh -D [PORT] on his computer |
| 18:40.44 | meder | jordanm: how am i supposed to stop it and replace/use my newest nginx |
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| 18:40.49 | DarkM | But allow him to do nothing else on the server ? |
| 18:40.58 | meder | i thought when i replaced it with dpkg -i it's supposed to automatically stop the current running one |
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| 18:41.12 | jordanm | DarkM: try giving him a shell of /sbin/nologin and see if it still allows him to create the tunnel |
| 18:41.15 | meder | "$ sudo dpkg -i nginx*.deb |
| 18:41.22 | meder | ^ that should have stopped it, no? |
| 18:41.24 | DarkM | jordanm: Okay I'm gonna try this |
| 18:41.27 | meder | and replaced it + restarted it |
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| 18:41.43 | jordanm | meder: it should, via the prerm script |
| 18:41.53 | meder | but it didnt apparently.. so |
| 18:42.24 | jordanm | meder: because you installed the same version that was already there, it may have treated as a reinstall |
| 18:42.34 | jordanm | incrment the changelog |
| 18:42.41 | meder | k |
| 18:42.48 | babilen | meder: "man dch" ;) |
| 18:42.49 | jordanm | dch -i |
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| 18:43.27 | bolt | any suggested way to remotely shutdown a windows 7 machine from debian? i'm starting it, if not started, with wake-on-lan, taking a backup using cifs, then if i did start it in step 1, i want to shut it back down. |
| 18:44.22 | xingu | bolt: ipmi toggle the power button through its management board? ;) |
| 18:44.28 | meder | ok. going to re-dpkg-buildpkg |
| 18:44.33 | meder | after doing dch-i |
| 18:44.51 | jordanm | bolt: I would ask ##windows about how to remotely manage windows machines |
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| 18:45.03 | Bushmills | firecracker plus some X10 power switch |
| 18:45.27 | bolt | jordanm: they would say i should ask #debian because i can't use the standard "shutdown" command from a command prompt like they do |
| 18:45.46 | metalfoo | bolt: You are certainly off topic here, as your problem belongs to Windows, not Debian. Nevertheless, what about a terminal server or SSH issuing shutdown? |
| 18:46.16 | bolt | i'm pretty sure managing a windows machine from linux is off topic in #windows as well... |
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| 18:46.48 | jordanm | bolt: this really has nothing to do with debian. if they say use "protocol X", then perhaps finding what application uses said protocol in debian would be a valid debian question |
| 18:46.48 | bolt | i'd actually assume a question about which remote administration tools exist in debian is a lot more on topic in #debian than in #windows |
| 18:46.55 | metalfoo | Why? I think Windows servers are managed by using Terminal server and clients work fine with Linux |
| 18:47.09 | DarkM | jordanm: Hmmmm |
| 18:47.13 | DarkM | "This account is not available" |
| 18:47.14 | DarkM | when logging in |
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| 18:47.42 | jordanm | bolt: people connected via ssh in putty to a debian box do not ask ##windows how to configure their apache in debian for example |
| 18:48.03 | jordanm | DarkM: that is when creating the tunnel? |
| 18:48.08 | pigdude | I'm having trouble getting wireless working on my laptop in Debian 5 |
| 18:48.12 | bolt | jordanm: no, but they would ask in ##windows what tool to use to connect to their debian box in the first place, wouldn't they? |
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| 18:48.20 | jordanm | pigdude: what card? lscpi -nn |
| 18:48.22 | DarkM | Yeah :/ I do a ssh -D 9999 user@host |
| 18:48.32 | bolt | jordanm: you're really not making much sense here. i'm asking which tool i should use in debian, not on windows |
| 18:48.33 | DarkM | 9999 being the port I use locally as a proxy |
| 18:48.38 | metalfoo | No. You didn't specify the service your Windows server is using. |
| 18:48.39 | jordanm | bolt: yep. ok.. rdesktop is your tool |
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| 18:48.46 | DarkM | I then enter the password, it is accepted, but doesn't work |
| 18:48.52 | pigdude | jordanm: unlisted |
| 18:49.02 | bolt | *sigh* |
| 18:49.02 | jordanm | pigdude: lsusb? |
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| 18:49.26 | jordanm | bolt: you are assuming that we know the methodology of remotely shutting down a windows machine |
| 18:49.33 | pigdude | jordanm: nothing of use that i see |
| 18:49.39 | pigdude | jordanm: nothing related to wireless |
| 18:49.49 | jordanm | pigdude: is it disabled via a hardware button? |
| 18:49.50 | pigdude | jordanm: I had it working on Ubuntu but Ubuntu has so many issues |
| 18:49.52 | metalfoo | If you would hve asked "My server runs Windows Terminal services, how to connect them using Debian" you were right here. You didn't, as you want to know about a Windows local solution available on Debian. |
| 18:49.56 | pigdude | jordanm: yes, toggled On |
| 18:50.07 | Bushmills | DarkM, it only appears that passwd is "accepted" to prevent user name probing through ssh |
| 18:50.15 | jordanm | pigdude: go ahead and paste the full output of lscpi -nn |
| 18:50.20 | pigdude | drivers for windows are available here http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/migr-70439.html |
| 18:50.25 | DarkM | Bushmills: Then idea about how I should do it :S |
| 18:50.36 | DarkM | I could still install a real socks server etc. |
| 18:50.37 | pigdude | jordanm: it will take time I will have to copy over USB |
| 18:50.51 | pigdude | jordanm: I can assure you I grep -v'd wire |
| 18:50.55 | bolt | jordanm: yes i am. the samba-commons package, for instance, can be used to remotely shutdown an xp machine. i would assume people in #debian would know about samba-common, which is part of debian. however, that particular package does not seem to work with windows 7 |
| 18:50.57 | pigdude | er not -v |
| 18:50.58 | pigdude | -i |
| 18:51.06 | Bushmills | specifying correct user name would be a good idea. in conjunction with proper password |
| 18:51.11 | pigdude | jordanm: and it showed up clearly on Ubuntu |
| 18:51.16 | pigdude | jordanm: (in lspci -vv) |
| 18:51.29 | jordanm | pigdude: ok, then don't |
| 18:51.41 | pigdude | jordanm: would it still be useful? |
| 18:51.44 | DarkM | Bushmills: I don't get it ? what do you mean ? |
| 18:51.46 | bolt | metalfoo: at what point did i ask about a windows local solution? |
| 18:51.49 | pigdude | jordanm: I'm just saying the device is not listed |
| 18:51.57 | jordanm | bolt: are you running lenny? |
| 18:52.00 | DarkM | Bushmills: And no, the password really is ACCEPTED |
| 18:52.02 | DarkM | Since I see the MOTD |
| 18:52.13 | Bushmills | ah. you managed to log in |
| 18:52.16 | DarkM | Yeah |
| 18:52.19 | bolt | jordanm: on my server, yes. squeeze on my desktop |
| 18:52.21 | metalfoo | bolt: You are asking how you can shutdown a _Windows_ server. This is a Windows problem, apparently. Right? |
| 18:52.26 | DarkM | But it got "This account is unavailable" |
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| 18:52.33 | DarkM | And it disconnects me right away |
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| 18:52.59 | jordanm | bolt: you probably need a newer version of samba. I would ask the #samba folks, or again, #windows to see if that functionality even works there |
| 18:53.14 | bolt | metalfoo: you missed a word. a couple, actually. i'm asking how to REMOTELY shut it down from a DEBIAN machine. like the samba-common package can do with a remote XP machine |
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| 18:53.31 | DarkM | Maybe the only solution I have is installing a sock server |
| 18:53.36 | DarkM | socks* |
| 18:53.41 | bolt | jordanm: hm.. i'll try from the squeeze box |
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| 18:54.07 | jordanm | DarkM: that means that the tunnel does execute the shell. I am not sure then |
| 18:54.08 | metalfoo | bolt: I said? Windows normally uses a terminal server for remote administration, so I can tell you about Linux terminal server clients (krdc, rdesktop, ...). |
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| 18:54.27 | phorce1_home | bolt: http://www.sevenforums.com/network-sharing/22843-shut-down-restart-computer-via-remote-desktop.html |
| 18:55.25 | bolt | ponders actually listening to you people and making a macro to do mouseclicks and keypresses in remote desktop instead of the standard remote procedure calls... |
| 18:55.26 | DarkM | jordanm: I dont think so |
| 18:55.38 | DarkM | I think it means that connection is opened, but it hasnt the time to use it as a tunnel |
| 18:55.42 | DarkM | that the * |
| 18:56.00 | DarkM | But anyways, I'll find another solution |
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| 18:56.42 | pigdude | jordanm: my USB drive won't work on this other machine...I can't paste this |
| 18:56.48 | meder | jordanm: http://pastie.org/private/dah1a4va5i9me1dwsktpzg |
| 18:56.50 | pigdude | jordanm: it works on the debian machine |
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| 18:57.06 | pigdude | jordanm: I don't think I can type it all either |
| 18:57.08 | meder | i did the dch -i and updated the changelog, then recompiled the .deb, then ran dpkg -i on those specific new debs |
| 18:57.28 | jordanm | ,versions nginx |
| 18:57.29 | judd | Package nginx on i386 -- etch: 0.4.13-2+etch3; etch-security: 0.4.13-2+etch3; etch-backports: 0.5.35-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 0.6.32-3+lenny3; lenny-security: 0.6.32-3+lenny3; lenny-backports: 0.7.67-3~bpo50+1; sid: 0.7.67-3; squeeze: 0.7.67-3 |
| 18:57.46 | jordanm | meder: looks fine |
| 18:57.57 | phaer | bolt: Maybe i've missed something, but there are ssh servers for windows. Why don't you just use one of them and shutdown windows via shell? |
| 18:57.57 | jordanm | I would have replaced bpo with "local1" however |
| 18:58.03 | meder | doing that now |
| 18:58.58 | phorce1_home | bolt: UAC stops it from working. If youdon't mind reducing security a bit then this will make it behave like XP without disabling UAC --- http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/enable-mapping-to-hostnamec-share-on-windows-vista/ |
| 18:59.12 | jordanm | pigdude: its going to be an intel chipset, just need to know which one. if it doesn't show up in lscpi, then its disabled. don't assume what the line contains and use grap |
| 18:59.16 | jordanm | s/grap/grep/ |
| 18:59.24 | meder | jordanm: the nginx version running on 80 i think is STILL the 0.7.65 one because curl -I gives me Server: nginx/0.7.65 |
| 18:59.26 | bolt | phaer: actually that's kind of a good idea. i'll try looking for a non-bloated, small one :) |
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| 18:59.34 | meder | i am recompiling again though, with local1 instead of bdo |
| 18:59.39 | bolt | phorce1_home: sweet! will check it out |
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| 19:00.19 | phorce1_home | bolt: google is your friend. You are trying to use RPC so make sure you put that in your search terms. |
| 19:00.20 | pigdude | jordanm: no it's some realtek ccrap |
| 19:00.36 | jordanm | pigdude: the page you linked me to says intel |
| 19:00.38 | pigdude | jordanm: I know that grep -i wire would find it because it did on Ubuntu |
| 19:00.54 | pigdude | jordanm: it also has a shady "Thinkpad" wireless |
| 19:00.58 | pigdude | jordanm: that is Realtek |
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| 19:01.05 | phaer | bolt: The advantage of this solution is that you might be able to do most administrative tasks trough one single ssh connection.. |
| 19:01.08 | jordanm | pigdude: again, don't assume that its the same |
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| 19:01.16 | pigdude | jordanm: I know because I saw it on ubuntu |
| 19:01.19 | bolt | phaer: definately |
| 19:01.20 | pigdude | a few hours ago |
| 19:01.23 | jordanm | sigh |
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| 19:01.33 | metalfoo | bolt: I suggested SSH as well, maybe you missed it, while you were busy denying me ;) |
| 19:01.34 | pigdude | jordanm: I had it working on ubuntu. that was in the lspci output. it is realtek |
| 19:01.59 | arosen | What is there a way to boot a computer and then dd an image to it remotely? |
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| 19:02.10 | arosen | Like using pxeboot to give it an image and have it install that? |
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| 19:02.35 | arosen | (I mean have it copy the image to its own disk |
| 19:02.46 | jordanm | arosen: there are instructions for debian installation over the network in the install guide, or you can use FAI |
| 19:03.16 | arosen | Whats FAI? |
| 19:03.29 | jordanm | !fai |
| 19:03.29 | dpkg | [fai] Fully Automatic Installation, an automated installation tool to install or deploy Debian GNU/Linux (and other distributions) on a bunch of different hosts or a cluster. It is more flexible than tools like <kickstart> (Red Hat), autoyast and alice (SuSE) or jumpstart (Sun Solaris). FAI can also be used for configuration management of a running system. http://fai-project.org/ #fai on irc.oftc.net. |
| 19:03.38 | arosen | thanks |
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| 19:04.28 | thewanderer1 | arosen: I can also recommend clonezilla |
| 19:05.06 | pigdude | jordanm: it is a Realtek device 8172 rev 10 |
| 19:05.18 | jordanm | pigdude: again with -nn option |
| 19:05.24 | jordanm | need the pciid |
| 19:05.25 | pigdude | jordanm: it was in lspci -vv under Network controller |
| 19:05.49 | jordanm | pigdude: yep, why I was saying you shouldn't assume what the line contains :) |
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| 19:06.24 | pigdude | jordanm: I assumed the reporting would be the same. sorry for my pigheadedness |
| 19:06.57 | meder | i recompiled with 'local1' instead of 'bdo'. same result . hrm |
| 19:07.13 | pigdude | jordanm: is 03:00.0 a pciid? |
| 19:07.16 | jordanm | meder: and what exactly is this result again? |
| 19:07.16 | pigdude | jordanm: that would be it |
| 19:07.20 | jordanm | pigdude: no |
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| 19:07.45 | jordanm | 0c:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection [8086:4222] (rev 02) |
| 19:07.54 | jordanm | 8086:4222 is the pciid |
| 19:08.02 | meder | jordanm http://pastie.org/private/vz34qjllqfztjt3ypo2kbq |
| 19:08.11 | pigdude | jordanm: 10ec:8172 |
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| 19:08.22 | jordanm | meder: pkill nginx |
| 19:08.22 | meder | it sets it up, and when i curl -I domain.com it gives nginx 0.7.65 |
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| 19:08.33 | jordanm | ,pciid 10ec:8172 |
| 19:08.33 | judd | [10ec:8172] is 'RTL8191SEvB Wireless LAN Controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8172 |
| 19:08.56 | meder | jordanm: and then what? init.d or sudo nginx |
| 19:08.59 | jordanm | pigdude: are you running lenny? |
| 19:09.02 | jordanm | meder: either |
| 19:09.25 | pigdude | jordanm: lenny |
| 19:09.26 | meder | jordanm: thank you so much. that was it |
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| 19:09.46 | jordanm | !rtl8191se |
| 19:09.46 | dpkg | The Realtek RTL8191SE is a PCI-E 802.11n wireless LAN chipset (PCI-IDs 10ec:8171, 10ec:8172). Not supported by the mainline Linux kernel at this time. Vendor driver (rtl8192se) is available from http://people.debian.org/~benh/rtl-wlan/ . See also <rtl8192se>. |
| 19:09.55 | SparFux | jordanm: filed a bug report. unfortunately I cannot fiddle out how the find line should look like, or wether find should at all be used. |
| 19:10.10 | pigdude | jordanm: thanks, very useful info. now I just have to figure out how to use these |
| 19:10.28 | jordanm | pigdude: yeah.. there are wiki instructions for the majority of cards, but that is a rare one |
| 19:10.42 | pigdude | lenovo ***ed me |
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| 19:10.48 | pigdude | well four of those |
| 19:10.57 | pigdude | I assumed an intel card |
| 19:11.05 | thewanderer1 | pigdude: by any chance an IdeaPad? |
| 19:11.12 | pigdude | thinkpad! |
| 19:11.14 | pigdude | r500 |
| 19:11.16 | thewanderer1 | uh uh. |
| 19:11.28 | pigdude | very tacky |
| 19:11.32 | thewanderer1 | casts a grudge on Lenovo for taking over ThinkPad |
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| 19:11.40 | pigdude | a thousand curses |
| 19:11.50 | jordanm | thinkpads.. are generally great.. but most of them have intel wireless |
| 19:11.54 | pigdude | yea |
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| 19:12.16 | pigdude | granted: the wireless worked great on ubuntu. so I can get this to work |
| 19:12.22 | thewanderer1 | thinkpads that thinkpads used to be great |
| 19:12.42 | jordanm | pigdude: grab this one: http://people.debian.org/~benh/rtl-wlan/rtl8192se_linux_2.6.0017.0507.2010.tar.gz and see the readme |
| 19:12.43 | pigdude | thewanderer1: this machine is actually very solid for the price |
| 19:12.51 | pigdude | thewanderer1: much better than the other stuff I looked at |
| 19:13.04 | thewanderer1 | good to know... I was scared for a moment |
| 19:13.04 | pigdude | jordanm: thanks, I'm doing that now |
| 19:13.36 | thewanderer1 | actually if I were you, I would replace the card with proper Intel one, just saying |
| 19:13.54 | phorce1_home | or buy a supported usb nic |
| 19:14.24 | pigdude | at some point |
| 19:14.25 | jordanm | thinkpads are actually very easy to upgrade and maintain hardware. every one I have worked with has had all components easily accessible |
| 19:14.34 | pigdude | right now I just needed something for coding on the go |
| 19:14.49 | jordanm | unlike the last HP I worked on, where I had to more the entire keyboard to access the RAM and hard drive |
| 19:14.56 | jordanm | s/more/remove/ |
| 19:15.09 | thewanderer1 | pigdude: installing documentation locally pays off |
| 19:15.25 | thewanderer1 | for me, it was `apt-get install php-doc` |
| 19:16.13 | pigdude | jordanm: what debian disc contains build-essential? |
| 19:16.20 | jordanm | !cd contents |
| 19:16.21 | dpkg | To find out what is on what disk, examine the package lists within the list-{cd,dvd} subdirectories for the relevant architecture at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/ (e.g. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/list-cd/). |
| 19:16.21 | pigdude | jordanm: I will need that it appears |
| 19:16.37 | pigdude | great... |
| 19:16.50 | jordanm | pigdude: it would be much easier if you can temporarily hook it up to ethernet |
| 19:16.58 | thewanderer1 | pigdude: downloading is often faster than browsing through CD's... |
| 19:17.14 | thewanderer1 | pigdude: especially that build-essential is a metapackage and its depends may well be scattered over different CD's |
| 19:17.24 | jordanm | pigdude: also, all packages are available at packages.debian.org |
| 19:17.28 | pigdude | nobody knows this off-hand? |
| 19:17.50 | pigdude | jordanm: I cannot |
| 19:18.10 | pigdude | thinks build-essential should come installed |
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| 19:18.27 | thewanderer1 | well, hardly anybody uses the disc sets nowadays, netinst is the new trend |
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| 19:18.38 | jordanm | yep |
| 19:18.42 | thewanderer1 | and Debian assumes that nothing should come installed unless you request it... |
| 19:19.09 | pigdude | sure a webcam app is more important than build-essential :^) |
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| 19:19.32 | pigdude | so there is no defined collection of discs that will provide build-essential |
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| 19:19.37 | thewanderer1 | nope |
| 19:19.38 | jordanm | pigdude: you actually requested that, by marking (or not unmarking), the desktop task during installation |
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| 19:19.46 | pigdude | ? |
| 19:19.55 | jordanm | the webcam app |
| 19:19.59 | cr4ckn | hello there is an automatic way to set up sound on my debian box? |
| 19:20.10 | thewanderer1 | it might be easier to use a pendrive to carry debs around and dpkg --install them all |
| 19:20.11 | cr4ckn | i heard alsaconf doesn t work anymore |
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| 19:20.20 | thewanderer1 | cr4ckn: sound is autoconfigured |
| 19:20.24 | pigdude | slackware comes with gcc etc right? |
| 19:20.35 | thewanderer1 | pigdude: if you install the appropriate package suites, yes |
| 19:20.35 | cr4ckn | thewanderer1, not autoconfigured well then |
| 19:20.50 | jordanm | !tell cr4ckn about alsa checklist |
| 19:20.54 | pigdude | so then I should probably just use zenwalk... |
| 19:20.57 | metalfoo | I would doubt there is a single Linux distribution not coming/using gcc. |
| 19:21.03 | pigdude | as I won't have to jump through hoops to have gcc etc |
| 19:21.03 | metalfoo | +with |
| 19:21.17 | pigdude | or vector maybe |
| 19:21.39 | thewanderer1 | pigdude: actually, if you call `apt-get install build-essential`, it will tell you which disc you need to insert |
| 19:21.51 | cr4ckn | i used alsaconf before but now in sid alsaconf is retired from alsa-utils package |
| 19:21.55 | thewanderer1 | and if I'm guessing right, it should be among the first 1/4 of the discs... |
| 19:21.58 | jordanm | pigdude: I am not a fan of ubuntu, but why not use that if that is what works? |
| 19:22.02 | cr4ckn | it is what i saw |
| 19:22.30 | thewanderer1 | cr4ckn: that is correct... do you have the kernel module loaded? have you raised the volume using alsamixer? |
| 19:22.49 | thewanderer1 | usually it's the volume set to 0 initially after sound packages install |
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| 19:23.12 | pigdude | jordanm: it has other major issues |
| 19:23.17 | pigdude | jordanm: weird choppy performance |
| 19:23.20 | pigdude | jordanm: not present on debian |
| 19:23.25 | pigdude | jordanm: and that was w/ no effects |
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| 19:23.44 | pigdude | were you guys messing w/ me? because it was all on the first CD |
| 19:23.50 | pigdude | that was very easy |
| 19:24.22 | jordanm | pigdude: no, most of us don't use the CDs, so it was probably speculation |
| 19:24.55 | pigdude | hm...make in the driver craps out immediately |
| 19:25.17 | jordanm | pigdude: can you pastebin the log? |
| 19:25.17 | cr4ckn | thewanderer1, snd-pcm-oss is the kernel module? |
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| 19:25.24 | pigdude | jordanm: yea, doing that |
| 19:25.29 | thewanderer1 | cr4ckn: no, I mean hardware-dependent |
| 19:25.33 | jordanm | cr4ckn: thats not the driver, thats for alsa oss compatibility |
| 19:25.44 | thewanderer1 | sth like snd-intel-hda |
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| 19:25.58 | jordanm | ^ which probably covers 90% of sound out there |
| 19:26.07 | cr4ckn | no i think |
| 19:26.20 | cr4ckn | what is the name of the module? |
| 19:26.25 | jordanm | has had nvidia and ati sound chipsets that still used snd-hda-intel |
| 19:27.24 | thewanderer1 | cr4ckn: for most people it's snd-hda-intel nowadays |
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| 19:27.41 | pigdude | jordanm: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/276696/ |
| 19:27.51 | pigdude | jordanm: there is no ./configure step |
| 19:27.57 | jordanm | ooh a bet for when bug #700000 will be filed |
| 19:28.14 | thewanderer1 | pigdude: install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 19:28.22 | pigdude | good call |
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| 19:28.39 | cr4ckn | thewanderer1, then i have to use sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel |
| 19:28.41 | cr4ckn | ? |
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| 19:29.09 | thewanderer1 | cr4ckn: don't you have it loaded? it should be... if not, then yes. assuming that you have sudo configured properly! |
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| 19:30.03 | jordanm | thewanderer1: "properly" is subjective there :) |
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| 19:30.30 | pigdude | I always try other distros but I'm really only comfortable w/ debian. thanks for helping me set this up. rebooting now |
| 19:30.53 | eshat | I just found upstart in the repo. Will it increase boot performance when I replace sysvinit |
| 19:31.08 | thewanderer1 | eshat: no, but you will find lots of funny bugs |
| 19:31.25 | eshat | thewanderer1: so it is not recommended ? |
| 19:31.46 | jordanm | eshat: what version of debian are you using? |
| 19:31.53 | eshat | sid |
| 19:32.04 | thewanderer1 | not really... if you want fast boot and have an SMP processor, then use the parallel boot as described at [your favourite search engine: startpar] |
| 19:32.39 | jordanm | eshat: sid would already use inserv and dependency based booting, that upstart would implement |
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| 19:33.21 | pigdude | wireless on! |
| 19:33.36 | eshat | jordanm: ok thanks. Compared to ubuntu my (basic) system still boots mor slowly... I will try startpar since I am on an i5 |
| 19:33.41 | jordanm | eshat: if you want to try something bleeding-edge and provide feedback based on it, I recommend systemd |
| 19:33.55 | eshat | jordanm: sounds good |
| 19:34.08 | jordanm | eshat: how much slower? starting the same services? |
| 19:34.11 | jordanm | (just curious) |
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| 19:34.18 | pigdude | hm, gnome network manager isn't picking up local networks |
| 19:34.19 | arosen | thewanderer1: I'm trying to use clonezilla to do this now. I've created an image using dd. Now when I boot clonezilla I tell it "device-image"->"get image from ssh server"-> (Then I put my image in /home/partimag", Then "restoredisk". Though its telling me no image was from in /home/partimg.. any idea what I may be doing wrong? |
| 19:34.31 | pigdude | no essid choices |
| 19:34.34 | jordanm | pigdude: what about iwlist scan? |
| 19:34.39 | pigdude | but the device light flashes |
| 19:34.41 | pigdude | one sec |
| 19:34.50 | thewanderer1 | eshat: /etc/init.d/rc contains CONCURRENCY, I'm using "makefile" now and it works reasonably well |
| 19:35.00 | eshat | jordanm: not much slower (maybe 5-8 seconds) and basically the same services |
| 19:35.02 | pigdude | jordanm: a ton of networks |
| 19:35.09 | thewanderer1 | arosen: sorry, no... |
| 19:35.19 | arosen | should the image be in a gzip format? |
| 19:35.25 | thewanderer1 | pigdude: is your user in the 'netdev' group? |
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| 19:35.35 | thewanderer1 | arosen: it can be, depending on the config |
| 19:35.51 | jordanm | pigdude: well, atleast it works :) |
| 19:36.02 | pigdude | jordanm: yes |
| 19:36.17 | eshat | jordanm: systemd installed successfully but didn't remove sysvinit even though it said, it is an replacement... any configuration I have to do |
| 19:36.18 | pigdude | and yea I see my network here |
| 19:36.24 | thewanderer1 | pigdude: add your user to netdev group... |
| 19:36.30 | pigdude | thanks btw, iwlist scan is useful for checking this |
| 19:36.34 | pigdude | thewanderer1: i'm in netdev |
| 19:36.37 | thewanderer1 | oh ok |
| 19:36.38 | jordanm | eshat: check /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian |
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| 19:37.15 | jordanm | eshat: this is *very* new btw, if you haven't been keeping up with say, lwn.net news or fedora development |
| 19:37.25 | pigdude | I guess i'll just use iwconfig for now... |
| 19:37.30 | pigdude | but i'd like to use this through GUI |
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| 19:37.35 | eshat | jordanm: thanks, still I am curious to try it |
| 19:37.47 | eshat | is rebooting :D |
| 19:37.53 | aguitel_ | i have acer aspire one D260 netbook ,anyone install debian there? |
| 19:38.02 | jordanm | eshat: did you read that file first?! |
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| 19:38.34 | pigdude | oh, they show up now |
| 19:38.36 | pigdude | strange |
| 19:39.09 | thewanderer1 | aguitel_: google for "$netbook_model linux on laptop" replacing the variable with your computer name and you'll be fine |
| 19:39.29 | thewanderer1 | pigdude: network-manager takes some time to collect the names - it puts them in a buffer or so |
| 19:39.43 | pigdude | and I am online |
| 19:39.45 | thewanderer1 | and if you're using KDE's network-manager, bad news - it's more buggy than GNOME's |
| 19:39.47 | pigdude | yay! |
| 19:39.50 | pigdude | and no ubuntu |
| 19:39.56 | pigdude | thanks so much! |
| 19:40.02 | pigdude | this is well beyond/above my ken |
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| 19:40.33 | eshat | wow, systemd is fast |
| 19:40.38 | pallgone | is squeeze using xorg.conf.d? |
| 19:41.26 | metalfoo | Squeeze uses no xorg.conf |
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| 19:42.00 | thewanderer1 | all that by default |
| 19:42.01 | eshat | pallgone: yes it does use the config folder |
| 19:42.25 | pallgone | eshat: oh ok, thx |
| 19:42.32 | meder | r |
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| 19:45.02 | jordanm | eshat: fedora will be the first to see it by default. hopefully they get all the bugs are breakage and then debian can adobt in wheezy :) |
| 19:45.34 | eshat | jordanm: it is reallly ammazing... I had the tty login in about 3 seconds |
| 19:45.58 | eshat | and kdm startet in under 10 |
| 19:46.04 | thewanderer1 | eshat: so did it just fire up getty as soon as it could, or did it apply hacks? |
| 19:46.10 | jordanm | eshat: yep, part of how it works is that you get login, and even X, while the init scripts are still booting |
| 19:46.16 | thewanderer1 | oh. |
| 19:46.34 | thewanderer1 | I was hoping for some magic behind the scenes, like byte-compiling the bash scripts |
| 19:47.12 | jordanm | i have heard that byte compiling bash give very minimal/no performance again |
| 19:47.19 | jordanm | mainly used for obfuscation |
| 19:47.33 | thewanderer1 | guys, why does my X lag so much? I can barely scroll webpages and switching Iceweasel tabs is like flipping a book page |
| 19:48.13 | thewanderer1 | I now have X running with nice -10 and this is all on Atom 330, ICH7, Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02), intel driver |
| 19:48.16 | jordanm | thewanderer1: are you using compositing? what graphics card/driver? |
| 19:48.21 | thewanderer1 | no compositing |
| 19:48.33 | jordanm | thewanderer1: verify that the driver intel is loading? |
| 19:48.40 | thewanderer1 | hm, how? |
| 19:48.49 | jordanm | thewanderer1: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 19:49.36 | thewanderer1 | (**) intel(0): Display dimensions: (340, 270) mm |
| 19:49.38 | thewanderer1 | (**) intel(0): DPI set to (95, 96) |
| 19:49.39 | thewanderer1 | and so on... |
| 19:50.01 | jordanm | thewanderer1: top indicate a CPU bottleneck? |
| 19:50.04 | eshat | jordanm: I just added the init line as default to my grub config |
| 19:50.21 | eshat | I try configuring bootchart for the use |
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| 19:51.44 | thewanderer1 | jordanm: oh crap, I was getting values like 4% idle on 1 core |
| 19:51.47 | arosen | thewanderer1: should doing this create a valid image the clonezilla can read? dd if=/dev/sdc conv=sync,noerror bs=64K | gzip -c > ap.0.1.img.gz |
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| 19:52.10 | thewanderer1 | arosen: it should... I don't know if it has to be registered somewhere by clonezilla itself |
| 19:52.25 | thewanderer1 | perhaps you need to tell it about the image? |
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| 19:53.46 | thewanderer1 | so it looks like I'm partially CPU-bound... strange |
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| 19:54.10 | thewanderer1 | one would think that 1,6GHz is enough for Iceweasel, Rhythmbox, top and Konversation |
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| 19:54.33 | jordanm | thewanderer1: hehe, maybe not if you throw flash ontop of iw |
| 19:54.54 | poisonbit | or too much JS or html5 |
| 19:54.58 | thewanderer1 | no flash at all... unless I'm missing some ads |
| 19:54.58 | poisonbit | eh |
| 19:55.41 | poisonbit | thewanderer1, welcome to the Linux Desktop 2010 |
| 19:56.01 | thewanderer1 | alright, dumping Flash for a better world... |
| 19:56.15 | jordanm | thewanderer1: try chromium-browser, which has a built-in task manager that might indicate which sites are really taxing resources |
| 19:56.37 | nv7f | test |
| 19:56.47 | thewanderer1 | nv7f: yes, it works :P |
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| 19:57.41 | thewanderer1 | woah. |
| 19:58.12 | thewanderer1 | all of a sudden, after removing flash and running Chromium, it's like moving from Pentium 1 to eight-core Xeon... |
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| 19:59.46 | poisonbit | 1 core 1.6 go 100% with lot of "desktop" tasks, such as office, video, gimp, etc |
| 20:00.00 | thewanderer1 | I wasn't really running any of that... |
| 20:00.09 | poisonbit | maybe perfect for SSH+browser |
| 20:00.26 | thewanderer1 | heh, with Chromium it seems a powerful platform |
| 20:00.41 | poisonbit | the concept of desktop changes too much from ones to others |
| 20:00.43 | thewanderer1 | after all, it's still faster than the PIII 900MHz sitting on the desk |
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| 20:01.56 | poisonbit | I've a working i386 toshiba laptop with 4mb as a hobby, but prefer to work with more cpu/ram/screen size, etc if posible :) |
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| 20:03.48 | roe | Any idea where I can get more info on this error: http://pastebin.com/kLfyaQK3 |
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| 20:04.23 | poisonbit | roe in the packege scripts |
| 20:04.28 | jordanm | roe: the real error would have occured before what you pasted |
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| 20:04.45 | jordanm | roe: paste all of it |
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| 20:05.39 | Laugarhraun | hi |
| 20:05.43 | Laugarhraun | got a server under debian |
| 20:06.02 | Laugarhraun | keeps the same ip |
| 20:06.09 | Laugarhraun | (called coope.rez-gif.supelec.fr) |
| 20:06.30 | Laugarhraun | I'd like to use it to create a mailing list |
| 20:06.38 | Laugarhraun | however, I did not find how to do it... |
| 20:06.49 | roe | http://pastebin.com/LGL3achD |
| 20:06.53 | Laugarhraun | I kept the default smtp server: exim4 |
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| 20:07.02 | poisonbit | telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused |
| 20:07.10 | Laugarhraun | I just did a "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" |
| 20:07.13 | poisonbit | Laugarhraun, it seems there is nothing in the port 25 |
| 20:07.24 | Laugarhraun | yes poisonbit, it is closed from outside |
| 20:07.33 | Laugarhraun | only reachable from here, on the campus |
| 20:07.39 | poisonbit | so you didn'y choosed internet site ? |
| 20:07.43 | poisonbit | ah |
| 20:07.45 | poisonbit | ok ok |
| 20:08.13 | poisonbit | who will use the mailing list? local users in the machine ? |
| 20:08.24 | Laugarhraun | no |
| 20:08.42 | Laugarhraun | it will be used to serve emails on some people on the campus |
| 20:08.59 | poisonbit | ok, explain you problem/errors |
| 20:09.08 | Laugarhraun | well, I configured exim4 |
| 20:09.12 | poisonbit | I go to take the diner, but here are helpful people |
| 20:09.18 | Laugarhraun | but I don't know how to add mail accounts... |
| 20:09.41 | Laugarhraun | nor creating a mailing... I want "cd@coope.rez-gif.supelec.Fr" to serve mail to about 25 people |
| 20:10.11 | Laugarhraun | all with the same pop server (rez-gif.supelec.fr) |
| 20:10.24 | jordanm | kavakava: user accounts are mail accounts. man aliases for getting email to a single address to go to many people |
| 20:10.44 | kavakava | Huh? |
| 20:10.56 | Laugarhraun | Laugarhraun not kavakava ;) |
| 20:10.58 | Laugarhraun | ok, thank you |
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| 20:11.43 | roe | jordanm, http://pastebin.com/LGL3achD |
| 20:11.58 | jordanm | Laugarhraun: oh, there isn't a manpage, but if you look at /etc/aliases its pretty self-explainatory |
| 20:12.11 | Laugarhraun | yes |
| 20:12.15 | funyun | noob here. does anyone know how or if i can edit filezilla in some way to change max transfers from 10 to 100? |
| 20:12.27 | Laugarhraun | (isn't this file only for sendmail ? It is what man aliases tells me) |
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| 20:12.41 | elliott | debian.org HTTP is down, yes? |
| 20:12.52 | poisonbit | no |
| 20:12.52 | Laugarhraun | elliott: nope |
| 20:12.57 | jordanm | Laugarhraun: nearly all smtp servers in linux are drop-in replacements for sendmail |
| 20:13.03 | jordanm | including exim4 |
| 20:13.07 | poisonbit | elliott, try google translate or any other proxy |
| 20:13.07 | elliott | Laugarhraun: Then, uh... something is very wrong. |
| 20:13.15 | Laugarhraun | ok |
| 20:13.24 | elliott | poisonbit: I thought they fixed the en->en thing in Google translate. Or do you just mean doing arabic->english or something? |
| 20:13.36 | Laugarhraun | elliott: http://www.downforeveryone.com/ can be useful next time |
| 20:13.37 | dondelelcaro | elliott: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/debian.org |
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| 20:13.52 | Laugarhraun | dondelelcaro: :) |
| 20:13.54 | poisonbit | nice |
| 20:13.56 | elliott | Yes, well, it seemed very down even by the usual standards. So. |
| 20:14.01 | elliott | Second opinion. :p |
| 20:14.24 | dondelelcaro | elliott: we have a few dozen mirrors, so even if the main website is down, there are local mirrors to use |
| 20:14.49 | Laugarhraun | jordanm: ergh, but hen I'll have to create an account for each person that I want on the mailing-list? |
| 20:14.54 | elliott | dondelelcaro: right. i wasn't sure of the URLs |
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| 20:15.09 | jordanm | Laugarhraun: if its for a mailing list, use mailman |
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| 20:15.28 | Laugarhraun | ok! |
| 20:15.30 | eshat | ok systemd is just fine |
| 20:15.37 | elliott | is there a list of the website mirrors anywhere? |
| 20:15.50 | jordanm | !tell elliott about mirrors |
| 20:16.00 | elliott | thanks |
| 20:16.20 | Bushmills | Laugarhraun, check out postfix, virtual recipients or virtual mailboxes |
| 20:16.34 | eshat | I have a nice bootchart which says the whole system booted in 17 seconds even though , my kdm login appeared earlier |
| 20:16.37 | Bushmills | possibly an option with exim too but i don't know for sure |
| 20:16.59 | eshat | unfortunatly I am not able to shutdown my system :D |
| 20:17.29 | eshat | jordanm: interessted in seeing the bootchart ? |
| 20:17.37 | jordanm | eshat: sure :) |
| 20:17.45 | eshat | is there a pastebin for pics ? |
| 20:17.53 | jordanm | imagebin.ca IIRC |
| 20:18.04 | funyun | can anyone recommend a ftp client that allows 100 simultaneous transfers? |
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| 20:18.47 | eshat | jordanm: http://imagebin.ca/view/xsh8Qx8.html |
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| 20:18.47 | dondelelcaro | funyun: lftp can do that |
| 20:18.59 | funyun | dondelelcaro: thanks :) |
| 20:19.29 | dondelelcaro | though that's almost certainly a stupid thing to do |
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| 20:20.57 | jordanm | eshat: nice, looks like basically everything started in parrallel |
| 20:20.59 | funyun | dondelelcaro: for my case, not so much |
| 20:21.10 | eshat | yes it does |
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| 20:21.26 | jordanm | funyun: what makes your case different from everyone elses? |
| 20:21.39 | eshat | I cannot understand how FTP is still beeing in use, it is so unsecure and soooo 80ths |
| 20:21.47 | Umeaboy | Hi! |
| 20:21.49 | jordanm | !ftpmustdie |
| 20:21.50 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie . If you really just want to provide anonymous download of files, use HTTP: http://daniel.haxx.se/docs/ftp-vs-http.html |
| 20:21.58 | Umeaboy | I just installed Debian virtually. |
| 20:22.05 | Bushmills | eshat, so are combustion engines |
| 20:22.06 | Umeaboy | x86_64. |
| 20:22.13 | funyun | jordanm: i need to transfer files to a place that limits filesize and caps each transfer. each transfer can only upload at 100kb/s |
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| 20:23.23 | Umeaboy | The feeling of it is somewhat weird. |
| 20:23.32 | Umeaboy | Text-based installer.......... WHY? |
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| 20:23.37 | eshat | Bushmills: combustion engines ??? however, FTP is still there even though there are better (free) alternatives |
| 20:23.39 | Umeaboy | Graphical is more nicer. |
| 20:23.42 | elliott | Umeaboy: Um, debian-installer is graphical. |
| 20:23.50 | jordanm | Umeaboy: both were available, you select the text mode |
| 20:23.52 | Umeaboy | elliott: Huh? |
| 20:23.54 | elliott | Well. Yeah. |
| 20:23.57 | elliott | Umeaboy: It's in the boot menu. |
| 20:24.01 | elliott | You selected the text installer. |
| 20:24.05 | elliott | There was an item for a graphical installer. |
| 20:24.08 | Umeaboy | It wasn't. I used the mini.iso. |
| 20:24.19 | jordanm | Umeaboy: well, then there you have it |
| 20:24.34 | Bushmills | eshat, old technology to which people (or industry) are accustomed to is often difficult to kill |
| 20:24.36 | elliott | Umeaboy: unfortunately, technology has not yet advanced to the state where a GUI can be packed into 0 bytes. |
| 20:24.48 | Umeaboy | Oooooh. |
| 20:25.16 | Umeaboy | I use Mandriva 2010.1 or Ubuntu 10.10 otherwise. |
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| 20:26.16 | Bushmills | Umeaboy, what advantage would as GUI installation have for, say, a server? or a low-resource machine? |
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| 20:30.11 | Umeaboy | I noticed that I cannot update my machine now. |
| 20:30.36 | Umeaboy | I've got xserver-xorg-core as update. |
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| 20:31.01 | Umeaboy | Clicking on install updates makes the updatemanager reload. |
| 20:31.47 | Umeaboy | Bushmills: A newly started company that wants to make every computer-installation by themselves their own way. |
| 20:32.21 | Bushmills | but they are free to provide their installer "their way" |
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| 20:33.22 | Bushmills | (assuming that "nice" is relevant to their customers, and not to themselves) |
| 20:33.47 | jhutchins_lt | Bushmills: Interesting, I have that nick on Ignore from quite a while back - possibly from Mandriva. |
| 20:34.03 | Bushmills | my nick? |
| 20:34.15 | Umeaboy | No. Mine, |
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| 20:35.54 | Bushmills | well, as far i haven't read anything with the notion of "distrib x is so much better because their installer is graphical", so i' fine. |
| 20:36.06 | jhutchins_lt | Bushmills: No, the person you were talking to. |
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| 20:36.34 | elliott | jhutchins_lt: he said he used mandriva, to provide a data point |
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| 20:37.15 | jhutchins_lt | Mmhm. That's him. |
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| 20:42.25 | xand | !ftp must die |
| 20:42.26 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie . If you really just want to provide anonymous download of files, use HTTP: http://daniel.haxx.se/docs/ftp-vs-http.html |
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| 20:52.54 | pigdude | Is there a way to install plain firefox on Debian? Some addons won't install to Iceweasel |
| 20:53.47 | elliott | pigdude: all addons should install to iceweasel |
| 20:53.50 | elliott | all that's changed is the name |
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| 20:53.58 | elliott | using normal firefox would change nothing |
| 20:53.58 | pigdude | adblock plus won't |
| 20:54.15 | Bushmills | sure. download firefox. but the addons are probably due to version conflict, not logo/name conflict |
| 20:54.18 | timw | pigdude: I have adblock on iceweasel |
| 20:54.22 | elliott | yeah it'll be a version issue |
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| 20:54.30 | elliott | pigdude: there is a package for adblock plus, it seems. |
| 20:54.46 | pigdude | elliott, wow there is |
| 20:54.53 | funyun | noob here. can anyone help me with lftp? i need to simultaneously upload files to 3 different ftp locations |
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| 20:59.58 | jhutchins_lt | pigdude: Got adblock plus on iceweasel here with no problem. |
| 21:00.41 | pigdude | jhutchins_lt, yep, me too now |
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| 21:01.32 | jhutchins_lt | pigdude: I installed it from the Firefox site - running 3.5.12 from backports. |
| 21:01.56 | pigdude | jhutchins_kc, I just used aptitude |
| 21:02.10 | roOoty | hey you, i've just set up a new debian system and now i want to customize it, but for now i can't do it because my user is not in the sudoers file as the system tells me, but when i try to use visudo to add my user to the sudoers file, i get the same error ("not in sudoers file") |
| 21:02.16 | roOoty | so what shall i do? |
| 21:02.44 | roOoty | btw, just using "visude" does not work, i have to do "/usr/sbin/visudo" which is strange enough |
| 21:02.58 | jhutchins_lt | roOoty: Been running Ubuntu have we? |
| 21:02.59 | Bushmills | roOoty, use su |
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| 21:03.20 | jhutchins_lt | roOoty: In a default debian you use the root account; you should have been asked for a password for it during setup. |
| 21:03.23 | Bushmills | or login as root. you specified root password during installation of debian |
| 21:03.39 | jhutchins_lt | roOoty: Pop open a console, run su - & give the password. |
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| 21:04.04 | jhutchins_lt | roOoty: Be careful not to run GUI programs as root, use gsudo or kdesu for system configuration tools. |
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| 21:04.31 | roOoty | "Authentication failure" so maybe i can't remember the passwd correctly :/ |
| 21:04.55 | Bushmills | avocados are said to improve memory |
| 21:05.12 | antIP | I tried to install debian earlier using debian-506-amd64.netinst.iso from a USB drive. The installer worked fine, but couldn't get drivers for my network/internet connection and couldn't continue. Any suggestions on how to proceed? |
| 21:05.32 | roOoty | but somehow i can't enter single user mode to change my password... |
| 21:06.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 921] by debhelper |
| 21:06.15 | roOoty | ...as single user mode looks just like the normal mode (it prompts for my users password and stuff) |
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| 21:07.22 | funyun | noob here. can anyone help me with lftp? i need to simultaneously upload files to 3 different ftp locations |
| 21:08.33 | roOoty | I DON'T WANT TO REINSTALL THE WHOLE SYSTEM or change to another distro! plz help me!!! |
| 21:08.44 | jordanm | !ifrp |
| 21:08.44 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
| 21:09.20 | pigdude | roOoty, you don't know your root password? |
| 21:09.36 | jordanm | roOoty: see the above "i forgort the root password" factoid |
| 21:09.59 | roOoty | pigdude: i'm sure that i can remember, but "su" + the password still gives me "Authentication failure" |
| 21:10.14 | roOoty | so maybe i really can't remember the password |
| 21:11.16 | pigdude | roOoty, just do su - |
| 21:11.45 | pigdude | roOoty, if you don't know the root password...I don't know what to do from there |
| 21:11.48 | Bushmills | be aware that password is case sensitive |
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| 21:12.44 | roOoty | pigdude: wait a second, i'm just trying what dpkg has suggested |
| 21:14.09 | roOoty | dpkg "2) 'fsck' <our root file system" - i always thought that debian boot procedure does that automatically by default |
| 21:14.09 | dpkg | roOoty: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 21:14.11 | roOoty | ? |
| 21:14.25 | pigdude | roOoty, dpkg is a bot |
| 21:14.36 | roOoty | :) |
| 21:15.25 | elliott | person #1? what, ever? :) |
| 21:16.36 | pigdude | "No candidate version found for flashplugin-nonfree" ??? |
| 21:16.40 | pigdude | what do I make of that? |
| 21:16.50 | jordanm | !bdo |
| 21:16.50 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo key> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo kernel> <bdo users> <bdo pinning> <volatile>. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100905 |
| 21:17.00 | pigdude | oh ok that is backports didn't know |
| 21:17.05 | jordanm | pigdude: enable backports, where flash is |
| 21:17.06 | pigdude | I added debian multimedia |
| 21:17.08 | pigdude | thanks |
| 21:17.18 | jordanm | it used to be there as well, but I think it was removed at some point |
| 21:17.31 | pigdude | yea I had to add a canadian mirror too, there were no US ones |
| 21:17.44 | funyun | noob here. can anyone help me with lftp? i need to simultaneously upload files to 3 different ftp locations |
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| 21:18.29 | roOoty | pigdude: "su -" asks me for the password again, and "su" without password, won't let me do anything |
| 21:19.11 | Bushmills | su without password lets you enter the password |
| 21:19.34 | jordanm | roOoty: if you are following the instructions above, you are logged in as root automatically, without password |
| 21:19.42 | jordanm | that is the point, to allow you to reset it |
| 21:20.07 | roOoty | jordanm: the "dpkg" bot instructions? |
| 21:20.19 | phorce1_home | roOoty: yes |
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| 21:20.33 | pigdude | hm, not found w/ backports enabled |
| 21:21.04 | jordanm | pigdude: what architecture are you on? |
| 21:21.22 | jordanm | amd64? |
| 21:21.24 | roOoty | does not work, running "fsck" gives me "command not found" and "mount -o remount,rw /" is not only a line that i can't understand, but also one that requires root privilegs... |
| 21:21.34 | phorce1_home | ,versions flashplugin-nonfree |
| 21:21.34 | judd | Package flashplugin-nonfree on i386 -- etch-backports/contrib: 1:1.4~bpo40+1; lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.8.2~bpo50+1; sid/contrib: 1:2.8.2; squeeze/contrib: 1:2.8.2 |
| 21:21.45 | jordanm | roOoty: it sounds like you didn't boot using init=/bin/sh like it says |
| 21:22.05 | pigdude | jordanm, how do I check again? |
| 21:22.09 | pigdude | jordanm, I thought it was 32 |
| 21:22.17 | pigdude | jordanm, i386 |
| 21:22.21 | roOoty | i DID, i pressed "e", than added init=..., then ESC and then b for booting |
| 21:22.23 | jordanm | pigdude: dpkg --print-architecture. did you enable contrib for backports? |
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| 21:22.48 | phorce1_home | roOoty: type whoami and see what it says |
| 21:22.56 | roOoty | and by simply adding "single" at the end of grubs parameter line, i can't get into single user mode either... |
| 21:22.57 | pigdude | i386 |
| 21:23.14 | pigdude | works now |
| 21:23.15 | jordanm | pigdude: make sure you added contrib, and ran "aptitude update" after adding it |
| 21:23.18 | pigdude | didn't have contri |
| 21:23.18 | roOoty | phorcel_home: the username, of course, not root |
| 21:23.19 | pigdude | b |
| 21:23.20 | pigdude | thanks |
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| 21:23.47 | jordanm | roOoty: then you did not boot with init=/bin/sh "ESC" must cancel changes. hit enter instead |
| 21:24.23 | phorce1_home | roOoty: if you followed the instructions correctly then that's odd. cat /etc/passwd and see if there's an entry for root |
| 21:25.45 | roOoty | now, i've pressed OK an b in GRUBs menu, but still i'm prompted for a username and password, so no real single user mode, strange |
| 21:26.25 | phorce1_home | roOoty: go ahead and log in as the user and check /etc/passwd for a 'root' entry (should be the first one) |
| 21:26.46 | roOoty | phorcel_home: yes, there is an entry for root |
| 21:27.00 | funyun | noob here. can anyone help me with lftp? i need to simultaneously upload files to 3 different ftp locations |
| 21:27.33 | jordanm | funyun: IRC is best when you ask more specific questions. that is likely why you have not seen a response |
| 21:27.53 | roOoty | phorcel_home: so what shall i do with that entry? |
| 21:28.29 | phorce1_home | roOoty: next step would be to boot into rescue mode from the CD you used to install, mount the drive you set up as /, remove the root password from /etc/shadow, umount the drive, fsck the drive, reboot, log in as root (without a password), reset the password. |
| 21:28.39 | funyun | jordanm: i need to upload files that will all transfer at the same time to 3 diff ftp locations |
| 21:29.01 | phorce1_home | roOoty: you can't do anything to it without root priveleges <grin> |
| 21:29.01 | jordanm | funyun: that is *not* a more specific question... |
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| 21:30.15 | roOoty | phorcel_home: ok, that is what i thought first, but then i prefered to ask irc as i'm too lazy for that...but by changing the system with a live cd / externel cd, i can even change the sudoers file :) |
| 21:30.34 | funyun | jordanm: sorry. i'm using debian lenny. the name of the ftp client i was recommended is called lftp. atm i need to upload 6 files. they are all in avi format and under 400MB in filesize |
| 21:31.05 | phorce1_home | roOoty: just fix the root password and change sudoers after that's done |
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| 21:31.27 | jordanm | funyun: it sounds like you have not even tried to use it. did you read the docs? |
| 21:31.35 | phorce1_home | roOoty: trying to do multiple, possibly system crashing, things all at once is asking for trouble |
| 21:31.38 | Bushmills | chrooting to the mounted drive, then running passwd may be preferable over editing /etc/shadow |
| 21:32.15 | funyun | jordanm: yes. i don't see anything about uploading files at the same time. i'm very new to linux. please forgive me if i sound like a complete fool |
| 21:32.25 | Bushmills | passwd also knows -r option |
| 21:32.47 | jordanm | funyun: you probably need to run multiple instances of the same application. a bash for loop may be your friend |
| 21:32.58 | roOoty | phorcel_home: ok it's booting, will take some time...question in the meanwhile: i want to have a smaller font size in the terminal (the real tty), so i will have to recompile the kernel an enable some LM.. feater, right + i want to enable framebuffer... |
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| 21:33.22 | roOoty | ...wont work without recompiling the kernel, right? |
| 21:34.14 | jordanm | roOoty: this is not gentoo, framebuffer modules are already there :) |
| 21:34.21 | phorce1_home | roOoty: /me lives in X for font management. Messed with console FB for about 10 minutes and decided it wasn't worth my time. |
| 21:34.23 | themill | funyun: I'm not sure you still get to claim that you're "very new" after 12 months. |
| 21:34.31 | Bushmills | fbterm -s <fontsize> may be interesting to use with frame buffer enabled |
| 21:34.58 | roOoty | jordanm: but how do i enable it then? |
| 21:35.01 | funyun | jordanm: alright :). can you help me with uploading to a single ftp location? |
| 21:35.20 | jordanm | roOoty: by adding an appropritate option in menu.lst |
| 21:35.27 | roOoty | phorcel_home: so do i, but it's a notebook with soooo little batteries |
| 21:35.42 | tomodachi | funyun: have you read the manual? |
| 21:35.52 | roOoty | ok, first things first, the live cd is up now (not a debian one:)) |
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| 21:36.08 | jordanm | funyun: I didn't suggest the application, nor have a I used it. if I were in your situation, I would use python's ftplip |
| 21:36.34 | funyun | jordanm: alright. thank you :) |
| 21:36.49 | pigdude | how can I make the admin prompt be gksudo? |
| 21:36.54 | pigdude | rather than asking for root pw |
| 21:38.00 | jordanm | pigdude: if it uses su-to-root you can set SU_TO_ROOT_X |
| 21:39.00 | pigdude | k |
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| 21:41.36 | roOoty | root password is removed, fsck just gives me the amount of files and blocks, nothing weird, will reboot now |
| 21:43.15 | roOoty | phorcel_home: so setting a new root password is just 'passwd root'? |
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| 21:45.30 | roOoty | "passwd: You may not view or modify password information for root"...? |
| 21:45.46 | jordanm | roOoty: you must be root to set root's password |
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| 21:46.14 | roOoty | jordanm: so how do i become root without having the root passwd? |
| 21:46.28 | roOoty | and remember, it won't let me boot into single user mode |
| 21:46.36 | roOoty | for strange reasons |
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| 21:47.03 | pipeline | you attach the drive to another unix system |
| 21:47.04 | pipeline | mount it rw |
| 21:47.06 | pipeline | and change root's password |
| 21:47.22 | themill | You don't want to boot into single user mode, you want to boot with init=/bin/sh. |
| 21:47.39 | roOoty | even this won't work! |
| 21:48.28 | jpinx-eeepc | !ifrp |
| 21:48.28 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
| 21:48.33 | roOoty | pipleine: that is what Bushmills has just suggested, too, so let me try it, will take some time, rebooting, rebooting, rebooting |
| 21:48.38 | jpinx-eeepc | roOoty: ↑↑↑ |
| 21:48.49 | roOoty | jpinx-eeepc: ? |
| 21:50.00 | themill | roOoty: if you're being asked for a password still, then you're failing at step (1) of dpkg's instructions above. |
| 21:50.09 | jpinx-eeepc | roOoty: read the factoid |
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| 21:51.40 | roOoty | letthemill: "add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it" - with or without a space? "... init=/bin/sh" or "...init=/bin/sh"? |
| 21:52.49 | roOoty | btw, i don't want to have that clonky large font size look and fell in the terminal, i want the ubuntu one! how can i achieve it? |
| 21:53.20 | jpinx-eeepc | roOoty: just get logged in first |
| 21:54.14 | roOoty | jpinx-eeepc: yes, but i want to know if it is worht all the logging in or if it would be better to stick with ubuntu or something :) |
| 21:55.07 | jpinx-eeepc | roOoty: it must be worth logging in or you would not have asked... |
| 21:55.07 | roOoty | in GRUB, will i have to edit "root (hd0,2)" or "kernel /boot/bmlinuz-..." ? |
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| 21:55.52 | roOoty | jpinx-eeepc: yep, it is DEBIAN, remember? but i HATE these large chars! |
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| 21:56.27 | roOoty | so "root (hd0,2)" or "kernel /boot/..."? |
| 21:56.38 | jpinx-eeepc | roOoty: you can configure everything *after* you have logged in |
| 21:56.58 | themill | roOoty: the less focused you are on actually solving one particular problem, the fewer people you'll find prepared to spend time helping you. |
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| 21:57.19 | roOoty | jpinx-eeepc: yes, but i don't want to recompile my kernel... |
| 21:57.24 | phorce1_home | roOoty: since you're logged in as user try 'su -' --- then just hit enter when it asks for password |
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| 21:57.43 | roOoty | themill: rebooting takes quite some time |
| 21:58.01 | jpinx-eeepc | roOoty: are you already logged in as a user? |
| 21:58.11 | roOoty | ok "init=/bin/sh" is added properly, but still i'm logged in as my user |
| 21:58.12 | etherealite | How can i force aptitude to ignore and not remove a package with broken deps? |
| 21:58.15 | damngrub | what is a good solution to run servers in secure, separate virtualiztions? 1) very secure 2) good speed, in this order. Host is a modern 64bit intel |
| 21:58.31 | phorce1_home | roOoty: since you're logged in as user try 'su -' --- then just hit enter when it asks for password |
| 21:59.00 | jordanm | damngrub: xen, kvm, openvz. take your pick |
| 21:59.09 | themill | dpkg: tell etherealite about dependency |
| 21:59.10 | roOoty | phorcel_home: "su: Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info" |
| 21:59.24 | themill | etherealite: what are you really trying to do |
| 21:59.32 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell damngrub about virtualisation |
| 21:59.40 | damngrub | jordanm: which one is best / and why |
| 21:59.54 | damngrub | it must be super secure, and also fast |
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| 22:00.12 | etherealite | themill install a package wich require a libwebkit version higher than on my system. It works fine with the one i have. |
| 22:00.22 | etherealite | its already installed with dpkg |
| 22:00.25 | etherealite | works great |
| 22:00.54 | etherealite | themill the only problem is that aptitude and apt-get keep trying to fix the dep problem. which is not a problem in realtiy. |
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| 22:01.21 | jordanm | etherealite: what package? |
| 22:01.32 | roOoty | ok, since i have deleted the user entry in /etc/shadow, things have become worse...! |
| 22:01.34 | etherealite | jordanm luakit |
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| 22:01.41 | jordanm | !versions luakit |
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| 22:01.48 | jordanm | ,versions luakit |
| 22:01.49 | judd | Package luakit on i386 -- sid: 2010.09.24-1 |
| 22:02.05 | themill | etherealite: where this package come from and what other packages are being complained about? |
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| 22:02.40 | etherealite | themill it came from the etch repos and i'm installing it on an older version of debian. |
| 22:02.50 | roOoty | my system does not even know the "shutdown" command, strange, maybe the installation has been messed up right from the start, but reinstalling it takes another two hours |
| 22:03.04 | jordanm | etherealite: an older version than etch?? |
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| 22:03.11 | k-dingo | roOoty: as root? |
| 22:03.21 | themill | etherealite: luakit isn't even in etch |
| 22:03.26 | k-dingo | roOoty: ... that's a base command AFAIK. |
| 22:03.26 | roOoty | k-dingo: no, as user |
| 22:03.31 | etherealite | jordanm whatever version is known as unstable right now. |
| 22:03.39 | roOoty | k-dingo: as far as we all know |
| 22:03.46 | k-dingo | roOoty: is sysvinit installed? |
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| 22:04.14 | k-dingo | roOoty: shutdown is in /sbin. Not on non-root user's path. /sbin/shutdown should work (or fail with privilege error). |
| 22:04.21 | jordanm | etherealite: what release are you are actually running? there is only one version of libwebkit-1.0-2 in debian |
| 22:04.23 | roOoty | can't really check that as i can't do "sudo", but at least not as far as i can see |
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| 22:04.43 | pipeline | damngrub: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 22:04.47 | k-dingo | roOoty: ls -l /sbin/shutdown should at least show it. |
| 22:04.47 | roOoty | k-dingo: there it is! |
| 22:04.56 | etherealite | jordanm heheh well to be honest its ubuntu 10.4 which I think is an etch derivative. |
| 22:05.03 | pipeline | damngrub: openvz is really for hosting -- it's a lot more effort to get set up, but you can achieve ridiculous densities. (e.g. thousands of VPSes on a single host.) |
| 22:05.06 | jordanm | etherealite: no, its not |
| 22:05.12 | jordanm | !ubuntu |
| 22:05.12 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 22:05.14 | pipeline | etherealite: it's not. Ubuntu 10.04 is its own animal. Talk to #ubuntu. |
| 22:05.25 | roOoty | how do i become root now? |
| 22:05.35 | k-dingo | roOoty: su or sudo. |
| 22:05.38 | pipeline | damngrub: xen and kvm are full-fledged virtualization. The best security possible -- each VM is essentially its own virtual hardware. |
| 22:05.48 | k-dingo | roOoty: If you're on console, you can generally boot into root via various tricks. |
| 22:05.50 | etherealite | people on #ubuntu are brain dead or swamped with questions. but yeah. |
| 22:06.09 | pipeline | that's tough, but that's life |
| 22:06.11 | pipeline | install debian |
| 22:06.23 | damngrub | pipeline: trying to have few servers, like svn, lamp, etc, on one machine, and I want to be sure that if there is security breach in one server, the other servers would remains isolated/secure |
| 22:06.41 | pipeline | damngrub: in my opinion, that's a ridiculous goal. |
| 22:07.02 | pipeline | damngrub: if you're *that* worried, set up a chroot for each service. But that's still overkill. Virtualizing it is just way beyond overkill. |
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| 22:07.13 | damngrub | pipeline: why so? with few servers, it is quite possible one of servers will be rooted |
| 22:07.23 | pipeline | damngrub: quite possible, but very unlikely |
| 22:07.26 | damngrub | chroot is not so secure on debian, is it? |
| 22:07.26 | dob1 | hi, there is any "official" way to get tomcat6 on debian lenny? |
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| 22:07.43 | damngrub | didn't linux had for 10 years a hole allowing to root any X using box? |
| 22:07.44 | jpinx-eeepc | ,versions tomcat |
| 22:07.45 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'tomcat' was found in i386. |
| 22:07.45 | roOoty | phorcel_home: thx for your advice to delete the root entry in /etc/shadow, now things are worse |
| 22:07.49 | jpinx-eeepc | ,versions tomcat6 |
| 22:07.50 | judd | Package tomcat6 on i386 -- sid: 6.0.28-7; squeeze: 6.0.28-7 |
| 22:08.06 | pipeline | damngrub: that's what chroots and SELinux are for |
| 22:08.13 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell dob1 about ssb |
| 22:08.15 | pipeline | damngrub: once they're inside the box, you've basically lost the battle regardless |
| 22:08.15 | damngrub | and didn't ubuntu had for 2 years hole allow anyone to easly many linux buxes over ssh (with keys generated on debian)? |
| 22:08.30 | pipeline | damngrub: virtualization won't stop those kinds of things |
| 22:08.39 | pipeline | damngrub: in fact it multiplies the problem: more stuff to patch :) |
| 22:08.39 | themill | dob1: that's not a particularly easy package to backport though. |
| 22:08.53 | damngrub | pipeline: virtualization does not stop the root on guest system from owning the host system????? |
| 22:08.56 | dob1 | themill: i see, infact is not on backports neither on volatile |
| 22:09.21 | pipeline | damngrub: that SSH exploit would have applied to all of the guests. All of your guests would have been screwed. |
| 22:09.29 | damngrub | pipeline: chroot on linux are not so good |
| 22:09.30 | pipeline | damngrub: LAMP and SVN will share all httpd exploits. |
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| 22:09.41 | damngrub | its trivial to escape chroot on linux |
| 22:09.42 | dob1 | themill: what is the problem backporting it ? the jvm version? |
| 22:09.51 | pipeline | damngrub: then configure SELinux. |
| 22:09.54 | damngrub | no |
| 22:09.56 | pipeline | damngrub: You have an idiot goal. |
| 22:10.02 | damngrub | selinux will not help as much as grsecurity |
| 22:10.09 | pipeline | defense in depth. Set up both. |
| 22:10.11 | damngrub | but setting up full grsecuirty is a lot of work |
| 22:10.13 | pipeline | yes it is |
| 22:10.19 | pipeline | defense in depth is a lot of work |
| 22:10.25 | damngrub | yeap |
| 22:10.29 | pipeline | you're going to have httpd on both your LAMP and SVN servers |
| 22:10.32 | pipeline | even if you virtualize them |
| 22:10.33 | jpinx-eeepc | damngrub: just run a good security schema on a stable debian system |
| 22:10.38 | pipeline | if there's an httpd exploit, both of them are going to be rooted |
| 22:10.41 | pipeline | whether you virtualized them or not :P |
| 22:10.42 | damngrub | no, why so? |
| 22:10.47 | damngrub | separate server for svn |
| 22:11.00 | pipeline | have fun with anyone who is behind a firewall |
| 22:11.07 | pipeline | most corporate firewalls only allow 80 and 443 outbound |
| 22:11.16 | pipeline | that's why most svn is done over https:// |
| 22:11.19 | damngrub | server 1: ssh, svn srv2: ssh,apache srv3: ssh,desktop etc |
| 22:11.30 | damngrub | I use svn over ssh, and it does not need apache |
| 22:11.35 | jpinx-eeepc | damngrub: if someone is clever enough to get past your security into any part of your box, the whole box is compromised |
| 22:11.41 | pipeline | so when there's an ssh sploit, all of your shit is compromised at the same time |
| 22:11.47 | pipeline | it's totally practical to do what you suggest with KVM |
| 22:11.49 | pipeline | it's just pointless |
| 22:11.51 | themill | dob1: maven is hard to deal with |
| 22:11.51 | damngrub | not really |
| 22:11.51 | pipeline | that's all I'm saying |
| 22:11.54 | pipeline | go ahead and do it |
| 22:11.56 | pipeline | there's no reason you can't |
| 22:12.00 | roOoty | but i should be able to manually add my new password to /etc/shadow with an external linux system, but i don't know the encryption of the passwords, can you help me? |
| 22:12.01 | pipeline | it's just a waste of your time |
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| 22:12.09 | damngrub | other people have access to ssh account on srv1 other to srv2 |
| 22:12.26 | pipeline | now you have four boxes to patch (host, three guests) four boxes on which to manage accounts and authentication, four boxes to which to assign IPs and manage firewalls and SElinux |
| 22:12.33 | pipeline | also, if you're not using SElinux, your security is laughable |
| 22:12.34 | pipeline | point blank |
| 22:12.38 | pipeline | you should always invest the time |
| 22:12.43 | pipeline | because userspace daemons get exploited frequently |
| 22:12.44 | phorce1_home | roOoty: I didn't suggest deleting the entire root entry, just the password from the root entry |
| 22:12.54 | damngrub | I don't want quite likelly scenario where someone from the most used/popular server say srv5 roots it, and then, if it is same machine and no protection he also owns all other servers instantly |
| 22:12.56 | pipeline | any security design that doesn't include selinux, and has externa lusers, is a disaster |
| 22:13.16 | damngrub | grsecurity appears better then selinux anyway |
| 22:13.16 | jordanm | pipeline: SELinux is not the only MAC implementation out there |
| 22:13.35 | damngrub | yeah, also apparmor and tomoy but they are default-allowed instead default-deny so a bit lame |
| 22:13.37 | pipeline | no, it's just the most widely deployed choice |
| 22:13.43 | pipeline | and the one that upstream software authors test with |
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| 22:14.08 | jordanm | damngrub: defaults mean nothing. that means doesn't cause everything to break when talking about MAC |
| 22:14.14 | jhutchins_lt | roOoty: delete just the password, then log in and set it. |
| 22:14.16 | pipeline | maybe I should have been clearer: any plan for security that dosen't include MAC is madness. |
| 22:14.29 | roOoty | phorcel_home: ok, so i will have to add "root:*:" again? or "root:!:"? |
| 22:14.35 | pipeline | I often wish debian would adopt selinux the way RH has |
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| 22:14.57 | pipeline | selinux configured for "enforcing" ootb, with every packaged daemon configured correctly for "enforcing" |
| 22:15.07 | jhutchins_lt | pipeline: There are other valid approaches, selinux isn't the only answer, but if you believe that run RHEL. |
| 22:15.10 | matt8686 | I need to install Debian from a USB memory stick. Should I download Debian CD .iso image and then do "dd if=/home/user/Debian_isoimage of=/dev/sdb bs=10M"? I mean will it work? |
| 22:15.16 | jordanm | pipeline: a better arguement could be made for doing so if there was more work done on the policies. feel free to send patches :) |
| 22:15.29 | pipeline | I realize that is an impossible dream. Too much work :) |
| 22:15.29 | Oleg_ | Debian Squeeze will be released in 2010? |
| 22:15.30 | jhutchins_lt | !usb install |
| 22:15.30 | jordanm | matt8686: no |
| 22:15.30 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 22:15.36 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell matt8686 about usb install |
| 22:15.47 | phorce1_home | roOoty: ok, get booted to the rescue CD then ping me here again |
| 22:16.03 | jordanm | pipeline: for example, no one has wrote default policies for the default smtp server (last I checked) |
| 22:16.17 | roOoty | phorcel_home: it's already booted |
| 22:16.40 | pipeline | jordanm: yeah, that's what I mean. There's a huge amount of work involved in this, which is why RHEL (who package nothing) has it, and we don't :) |
| 22:16.53 | phorce1_home | open /etc/shadow for editing on your mounted root drive |
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| 22:17.06 | roOoty | jhutchins_lt: could you plz give me your sample root line in /etc/shadow for reference, without the original password, of course? |
| 22:17.16 | roOoty | phorcel_home: it's open |
| 22:17.25 | jhutchins_lt | pipeline: It's very poor practice to rely on somebody else for your security, which is what you're doing when you accept RH's defaults. |
| 22:17.41 | phorce1_home | roOoty: what is the FIRST line in /etc/shadow currently (below root if you have added that back) |
| 22:17.42 | roOoty | phorcel_home: but i don't know what exactly i will have to add after "root:" |
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| 22:18.01 | roOoty | phorcel_home: "daemon:..." |
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| 22:18.26 | phorce1_home | roOoty: copy that line EXACTLY except change the username to root |
| 22:18.35 | pipeline | jhutchins_lt: a lame excuse -- most people, most of the time, in most places, blindly accept the defaults, or turn off SElinux/AppArmor entirely. Sane defaults are very valuable for their own sake. |
| 22:18.36 | phorce1_home | (we're not done) |
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| 22:18.59 | roOoty | phorcel_home: done |
| 22:19.02 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: tweaked defaults are ideal, but in debian's case, there are many defaults that are missing altogether |
| 22:19.14 | jhutchins_lt | my goodness we're using long hashes these days. |
| 22:19.16 | phorce1_home | roOoty: not delete the * between the first 2 :: |
| 22:19.39 | phorce1_home | err NOW delete ... |
| 22:19.43 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: there is already a standard set of permissions that one can find is needed to for say, exim4 to function, and those can be tweaked for different environments, but at the present state, the admin would need to write them from scratch |
| 22:19.54 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: which can be considerably time consuming |
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| 22:20.46 | phorce1_home | roOoty: should be root::... |
| 22:20.57 | jhutchins_lt | Securing a system means understanding the issues and why you're doing what you're doing. If you just install a default package, you're relying on someone else. That's great for the windows buttonpushers, but it's no way to run a professional system. |
| 22:21.11 | pipeline | and yet the state of the art |
| 22:21.14 | pipeline | is to blindly accept the defaults |
| 22:21.17 | pipeline | and possibly not even patch it |
| 22:21.20 | roOoty | phorcel_home: ok, now it is "root::..." |
| 22:21.37 | pipeline | at work I have solaris 7 boxes for which it's not even known whether it is *possible* to patch them, thanks to engineering releases. That's the "professional system" for you. |
| 22:22.04 | pipeline | I'd guess that most of the hobbyists logged into default gnome desktops as root are doing better than "professional" grade UNIX security ;) |
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| 22:22.28 | Bushmills | jhutchins_lt, isn't somebody with security repository in apt line of stable relying on others for security as well? |
| 22:22.32 | pipeline | besides -- debian has sane defaults for so many things, in so many places. It's one of the finest features. |
| 22:22.33 | jhutchins_lt | -> #debian-offtopic |
| 22:22.35 | phorce1_home | roOoty: save it, umount the drive, reboot, get to a console login prompt, log in as root with no password, run passwd to reset it |
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| 22:23.04 | roOoty | wow, now when i read through this channels history, i can see that Bushmills made some valuable suggestions, but as he didn't directly address them to me, i've overread them |
| 22:23.07 | roOoty | () |
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| 22:23.59 | Bushmills | well, shit happens |
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| 22:24.27 | LinuxGuy2009 | How can I get compiz to allow me to click the mouse wheel to start desktop cube rotation? |
| 22:24.29 | phorce1_home | always has a knoppix CD lying around and finds editing shadow faster than any other method |
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| 22:24.40 | roOoty | Bushmills, so plz talk to me directly, i'd appreatiate that, especially the fbterm thing |
| 22:24.55 | jhutchins_lt | roOoty: It's not really a one-on-one conversation, you need to pay attention. |
| 22:25.18 | jhutchins_lt | roOoty: Once you get it fixed you may be interested in the manpage for shadow, it explains the various fields. |
| 22:25.32 | roOoty | it's so bad with webirc not highlighting the names |
| 22:25.47 | Bushmills | roOoty, i usually throw my comments into the crowd, free for everybody to ignore them |
| 22:25.50 | roOoty | (i'm on a live system as the other one is still not set up yet) |
| 22:26.19 | roOoty | Bushmills: just feel free to throw them directly into my face :) |
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| 22:26.29 | Bushmills | addressing individual people i do mostly when teasing them or pulling their toes |
| 22:27.15 | jhutchins_lt | !lart Bushmills |
| 22:27.16 | dpkg | farts in Bushmills's general direction |
| 22:27.53 | Bushmills | sees the fart catch fire |
| 22:28.11 | roOoty | Bushmills: but fbterm is just a terminal emulator, afaik, so any more generic solution to change font size in tty (when pressing ctrl+alt+f-key)? |
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| 22:28.25 | roOoty | i'm root now :) |
| 22:28.44 | jhutchins_lt | roOoty: You have to have a graphics interpreter of some kind to change the default console font size, hence fbterm. |
| 22:29.22 | Bushmills | svgavidmode is/was an option for legacy video cards |
| 22:29.38 | jhutchins_lt | Character generation for basic consoles is a different technology than the GUI. Think original Mac vs. a mainframe terminal. |
| 22:29.56 | jhutchins_lt | One of the reasons they were loved is because you could use actual fonts on-screen. |
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| 22:30.32 | jhutchins_lt | Before the GUI you could only see your fonts when you printed, and they were often generated by the printer itself. |
| 22:30.42 | roOoty | "passwd updated successfully" |
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| 22:31.06 | jhutchins_lt | remembers buying font cartridges for laser printers. |
| 22:31.07 | Bushmills | setfont is a more generic alternative. but won't affect video mode, just the font |
| 22:31.17 | roOoty | so how do i enable framebuffer first? someone just said by editing menu.lst |
| 22:31.58 | Bushmills | some run an X server with a full screen x term instead of a window manager |
| 22:32.30 | Bushmills | vga=... |
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| 22:32.45 | Bushmills | actually, there are docs telling you how |
| 22:32.56 | cesurasean | How do I get dropbox working on squeeze? - nautilus-dropbox depends on libnautilus-extension1 (>= 1:2.22.2); however: |
| 22:32.56 | cesurasean | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:32.59 | jhutchins_lt | roOoty: What issue are we trying to address? |
| 22:33.20 | jhutchins_lt | cesurasean: Now you know why they call it "testing". |
| 22:34.21 | themill | cesurasean: sounds like a good reason not to mix distributions |
| 22:34.36 | cesurasean | well, this deb is meant for Ubuntu.... |
| 22:34.48 | roOoty | jhutchins_lt: wait a sec, first things first, |
| 22:35.03 | cesurasean | can someone read back that error message so that I understand. It's saying a newer library is currently installed, correct? |
| 22:35.03 | themill | cesurasean: and there you go... are you still surprised that it doesn't work? |
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| 22:35.21 | roOoty | what is the better way a) add my user directly to the sudoers file or b) add my user to a group and add the group to the sudoers file? |
| 22:35.36 | themill | cesurasean: the 1: wasn't added in there for no reason and is significant |
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| 22:35.57 | Bushmills | strange ... ubuntu and debian don't mix? who had thought that |
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| 22:36.08 | Bushmills | strikes me as extremely odd |
| 22:36.18 | cesurasean | Bushmills, me too. :) |
| 22:36.23 | cesurasean | It should work fine... |
| 22:36.27 | Bushmills | i'd complain to the ubuntu crows |
| 22:36.33 | Bushmills | crowd |
| 22:36.42 | themill | cesurasean: why should it work fine? |
| 22:37.13 | cesurasean | let me ask this.. why is libnautilus-extension1 already installed? |
| 22:37.16 | Bushmills | bummers, making their packages not compatible with squeeze. a real let down. |
| 22:37.52 | cesurasean | oh, nvm |
| 22:38.30 | cesurasean | their notes says this: Nautilus 2.16 or higher |
| 22:38.46 | roOoty | jhutchins_lt: ok, now: i want to have a better console "look and feel" with a smaller font size in the terminal (just like in ubuntu) |
| 22:38.48 | cesurasean | is that different from libnautilus-extension1? |
| 22:38.57 | roOoty | so how do the Ubuntu guys do that? |
| 22:39.06 | yagoo | Bushmills, for very simple .debs that are published 3rd party it's not much an issue. but don't mix the repos. |
| 22:39.18 | jordanm | probably KMS if its a newer ubuntu |
| 22:39.23 | themill | cesurasean: the compiled deb is not compatible and you should not expect it to be |
| 22:39.51 | jhutchins_lt | cesurasean: Looks like the version numbering system is different between the two packages. This is why we don't mix distributions unless we want to do clean installs. |
| 22:40.04 | cesurasean | should i try the rpm, or will that fail as well? |
| 22:40.25 | jordanm | cesurasean: I am going to guess this is for dropbox. not possible on lenny |
| 22:40.29 | yagoo | cesurasean, don't bother trying to hack if you can't crack |
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| 22:40.44 | themill | Bushmills: the versioning scheme on ubuntu's gnome packages have been quite incompatbile with debian's versioning scheem for at least a couple of years |
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| 22:40.58 | fishcooker | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:41.05 | fishcooker | i want to save the energy |
| 22:41.21 | roOoty | jordanm: is there something like KMS for debian and: how do i enable framebuffer? |
| 22:41.34 | Bushmills | themill, i forgot the <tongueincheek> tags |
| 22:41.39 | yagoo | fishcooker, that's what the lid is for :) |
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| 22:41.59 | themill | Bushmills: indeed ;) |
| 22:42.06 | k-dingo | where do I get squeeze apt keys? |
| 22:42.17 | fishcooker | then how yagoo |
| 22:42.30 | fishcooker | ic |
| 22:42.31 | yagoo | fishcooker, it may not be good for the hardware.. |
| 22:42.40 | fishcooker | ic |
| 22:42.43 | fishcooker | yagoo.... |
| 22:42.50 | fishcooker | i've got your point |
| 22:42.54 | fishcooker | arigatou |
| 22:43.04 | k-dingo | ...and/or how do I query the dpkg bot for factoids again? |
| 22:43.19 | cesurasean | when i compile on squeeze, im getting this: checking for NAUTILUS... configure: error: Package requirements (libnautilus-extension >= 2.16.0) were not met: |
| 22:44.11 | yagoo | k-dingo, any apt-key should be on the site u have that repo on.. |
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| 22:44.50 | jhutchins_lt | fishcooker: THere are console commands, and in kde3.5 the power manager icon will do that. |
| 22:45.33 | jhutchins_lt | fishcooker: Not sure what you mean by "turn off the lid" though - do you just want to shut down the display? |
| 22:45.45 | jhutchins_lt | Your screensaver can do that. |
| 22:46.17 | jhutchins_lt | k-dingo: /msg dpkg <factoid> |
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| 22:46.40 | jhutchins_lt | k-dingo: or /msg dpkg listkeys [<searchterm>] |
| 22:47.03 | k-dingo | jhutchins_lt: Yeah, just remembered 'listkeys' |
| 22:47.16 | roOoty | ok, as far as i can see, KMS works just fine with Debian, so i'll try it on my own, in case i have some questions, i will come back and just ask them |
| 22:47.18 | fishcooker | jhutchins_it, my screen saver can make blank screen |
| 22:47.24 | fishcooker | is it turn off or not |
| 22:47.26 | roOoty | thx for the rooting help! |
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| 22:47.50 | jordanm | roOoty: its only available in testing. you can add a vga=foo line to get a framebuffer |
| 22:48.07 | jordanm | depending on what driver you would be using for X |
| 22:48.29 | yagoo | what's kms? jordanm, i'd use vga=ask to begin with.. |
| 22:48.38 | jordanm | !kms |
| 22:48.38 | dpkg | [KMS] Kernel Mode Setting, where the initialization of graphical modes is performed by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting |
| 22:48.40 | yagoo | what the hell is all this kms? |
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| 22:49.36 | zuse3450 | was zu tun? |
| 22:49.41 | yagoo | well tat's a nice feature.. |
| 22:50.40 | yagoo | says "If you launch your kernel with a vga=xxx option on the boot line, it will fail (black screen). " http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting |
| 22:50.53 | yagoo | (known bug) |
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| 22:52.12 | xelister | how to check if no packages are broken (i.e. there was 0 free disc space durin upgrade) and possible reinstall if needed? |
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| 22:52.41 | jordanm | xelister: aptitude search ~b |
| 22:52.52 | jhutchins_lt | xelister: If a package install didn't complete, dpkg should know about it; aptitude -f install should pick up where you left off. |
| 22:53.07 | themill | xelister: you can also use debsums to double check |
| 22:53.09 | jhutchins_lt | xelister: Actually, pretty much any aptitude action should trigger fixing/completing the previous one. |
| 22:53.12 | yagoo | jhutchins_kc, he has no more disk space |
| 22:53.20 | yagoo | jh* ^ |
| 22:53.21 | xelister | thanks |
| 22:53.29 | xelister | yeah I freed the space now |
| 22:53.51 | xelister | is it possible that I was out of free space but it was not detected and some packages think they are installed but they are not? |
| 22:54.03 | yagoo | xelister, when done u can try aptitude <clean?> (or the parallel to apt-get/apt-cache autoclean) |
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| 22:54.06 | jhutchins_lt | xelister: unlikely, the system's pretty good about that. |
| 22:54.26 | k-dingo | xelister: No, if a package didn't install, its status is pretty much always accurately reflected. |
| 22:54.50 | jhutchins_lt | xelister: Setting the package as installed & configured is pretty much the last step. |
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| 22:56.55 | xelister | ok |
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| 22:57.30 | xelister | btw, is there a way to check integrity of installed packages (their constant files) for corruption (or viruses etC) |
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| 22:57.48 | xelister | there is this debsums program? it works? |
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| 22:57.52 | jordanm | desbsums |
| 22:57.54 | k-dingo | xelister: debsums. Mostly. |
| 22:58.36 | xelister | btw it appears to me that while installing, the apt-get/etc does not check is there is enough free space for the entire planned operation, does it? |
| 22:58.43 | jhutchins_lt | It's not an integrated part of the system like RPM uses, but it can be useful. |
| 22:58.59 | jhutchins_lt | xelister: Not as far as I know. |
| 22:59.08 | jhutchins_lt | !tell xelister about why aptitude |
| 22:59.45 | tacomaster | sorry this may be a bad place to ask but is this distro more focused on security than ubuntu or about the same? |
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| 23:00.24 | metalfoo | At least Debian's Security team from time to time seems to take security more serious. |
| 23:00.34 | jhutchins_lt | tacomaster: It's certainly possible to make Debian secure, but it's something you do yourself more than having it pre-packaged. |
| 23:01.00 | k-dingo | xelister: Debian's policy is more "sane by default" than "secure by default". How secure your system is depends on what you do with it. |
| 23:01.01 | pottsi | crap he's not online |
| 23:01.35 | k-dingo | xelister: The track-record for debian is pretty good, however, and there are some security add-ons you can get and install, including audit and hardening tools. |
| 23:01.35 | tacomaster | jhutchins_lt: makes since sorry to bug you with that question because i have been looking for an answer on google for probally almost an hour with no solid answers |
| 23:01.41 | jhutchins_lt | pottsi: who? |
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| 23:02.11 | pottsi | nekostar twas an offchance i'm trying to install a software, saw he had by some logs |
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| 23:02.38 | jhutchins_lt | pottsi: Debian seems to me to be more customizable, and like k-dingo said, "sane by default". |
| 23:02.59 | pottsi | jhutchins_lt it's rapidcp i was trying to install |
| 23:03.00 | metalfoo | I believe Ubuntu is focussing on desktops and shiny new user interfaces, whereas Debian still takes care about security thus making it a good server distribution. |
| 23:03.08 | pottsi | on my vps |
| 23:03.08 | jhutchins_lt | pottsi: As we discussed earlier, it doesn't come with a pre-configured selinux, but you can build your own. |
| 23:03.38 | thepro4ever | give a relative path to a folder , is there a command to print the full path> |
| 23:03.40 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions raidcp |
| 23:03.42 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'raidcp' was found in i386. |
| 23:03.57 | thepro4ever | given a relative path to a folder, is there a command to print the full path? |
| 23:04.04 | tacomaster | metalfoo: the reason i asked is because im trying (for simplisity) to find a distro that has a desktop and server so i can set my whole home up on one os but still be secure |
| 23:04.06 | pottsi | ,versions rapidcp |
| 23:04.07 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'rapidcp' was found in i386. |
| 23:04.32 | pottsi | ahh shoot, been trying to get it to install all day |
| 23:04.40 | jhutchins_lt | tacomaster: I guess the question is "secure from what"? |
| 23:04.46 | pottsi | no worries, thanks jhutchins_lt |
| 23:04.52 | metalfoo | tacomaster: You actually still have _one_ OS when you run Debian on your server, Ubuntu on your desktop and Android on your cellular. |
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| 23:05.29 | thepro4ever | given a relative path to a folder, is there a command to print the full path? |
| 23:05.36 | jhutchins_lt | ...and Red Hat on your toaster for that matter. |
| 23:06.00 | jhutchins_lt | thepro4ever: Please stop, if someone knows they will answer you. |
| 23:06.17 | yagoo | thepro4ever, this is more #linux not really debian specific.. its pwd |
| 23:06.17 | tacomaster | jhutchins_lt: well i want to run a web server dhcp torrent server nfs maybe more in the future and my desktops so something that can stand up from people trying to mess with my web server and stuff like that |
| 23:06.33 | Benkinooby | thepro4ever, pwd |
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| 23:06.38 | jordanm | thepro4ever: cd path/to/folder/; pwd |
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| 23:07.12 | jhutchins_lt | tacomaster: Certainly can be done. I manage commercial web servers that run linux. |
| 23:07.17 | jordanm | or perhaps $PWD/relative/path |
| 23:07.33 | jhutchins_lt | tacomaster: I prefer to have a firewall on the router, so I run dd-wrt there. |
| 23:08.05 | jhutchins_lt | tacomaster: This is a pretty good tutorial about securing your system: http://www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~dranch/LINUX/TrinityOS/cHTML/TrinityOS-c.html |
| 23:08.25 | tacomaster | jhutchins_lt: oo i have a pix for my firewall i know how to secure my network (cisco cert network admin) |
| 23:09.01 | jhutchins_lt | That reference is still worth studying. |
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| 23:09.40 | jhutchins_lt | tacomaster: I doubt you'll find much difference in the security of different distros from the way you're looking at it. |
| 23:09.54 | jhutchins_lt | tacomaster: We can say that it's inherently more secure than Windows. |
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| 23:10.23 | metalfoo | It's not. |
| 23:10.32 | tacomaster | jhutchins_lt: lol i havent used windows out side of the work place in almost 2 years now |
| 23:10.35 | jhutchins_lt | tacomaster: However, that applies no matter which distro you're referring to. |
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| 23:11.06 | jhutchins_lt | metalfoo: Due to it's structure many have argued that it is. Microsoft says it isn't, but many feel their view may be biased. |
| 23:11.56 | jhutchins_lt | metalfoo: Given that you can have a fully functional desktop without having to grant regular users root access, given that root is a distinct user, I feel it's more secure. |
| 23:12.01 | metalfoo | And I don't use Windows at all, nor do I work for Microsoft. Nevertheless I argue: You can have a secure Windows system, as you can have a secure Linux system. That doesn't depend on the system you use, but the administrator. |
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| 23:12.47 | jhutchins_lt | metalfoo: Yes, the argument though is that the structure of linux is inherently more secure. |
| 23:12.56 | jhutchins_lt | l8r all, dinnertime. |
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| 23:13.32 | metalfoo | Which structure? Your "root user"? You don't have to be "Administrator" on Windows as well, though I admit its more a pain than on Linux. |
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| 23:17.42 | k-dingo | metalfoo: the Samba team would disagree with you on that. |
| 23:18.05 | k-dingo | metalfoo: ... so long as you're talking a network-connected system. But we're OT. |
| 23:18.26 | k-dingo | notes that he's passive-aggressively asserting the last word ;-) |
| 23:19.13 | metalfoo | k-dingo: You can find problems on either side, that's not the point. I just can't stand people who claim literally "M$ suckZ, Windows is crap!" |
| 23:19.34 | metalfoo | So I'm forced to defend a system I dislike |
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| 23:20.32 | k-dingo | metalfoo: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Rants/spyware.html is my longer argument as to how it's a structural / cultural problem. |
| 23:20.42 | jpinx-eeepc | metalfoo: altruism is a heavy cross to bear ;) |
| 23:22.01 | k-dingo | metalfoo: Interesting essay I saw recently from an MSM source noting how Microsoft's alliances w/ business partners are skewing its user perception, don't know what I did with the link though. |
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| 23:22.40 | metalfoo | Honestly MS has not much left to loose beside of its user perception. |
| 23:22.55 | metalfoo | They did very much very bad in the last years |
| 23:22.57 | jpinx-eeepc | k-dingo: you're way offtopic and quoting very old news |
| 23:23.03 | metalfoo | But, yes OT |
| 23:23.24 | k-dingo | Any suggestions for Iceweasel Adblock Plus subscriptions? I've got EasyList (English) configured. Good/bad/different/other suggestions. |
| 23:23.27 | k-dingo | jpinx-eeepc: Noted. |
| 23:23.30 | jpinx-eeepc | k-dingo: metalfoo please take it to #debian-offtopic where you can kick it to death ;) |
| 23:23.44 | metalfoo | Well, actually I'm going to sleep now ;) |
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| 23:33.00 | xelister | why is debsums based o md5sum, instead of sha1sum |
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| 23:34.07 | themill | xelister: the entire package is also signed. they're mainly there for quick verification rather than security. (but there is talk of replacing them with other checksums) |
| 23:34.14 | jpinx-eeepc | k-dingo: I use noscripts and noflash and with some other configs in the browser it kills enough |
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| 23:34.24 | monkey_d_luffy | What are the drawback of using resize_inode when creating an ext3 filesystem? The man page only says it reserves space. How much % are we talking? Is there any other disadvantage? |
| 23:34.33 | sc30317 | Hey all; I used the following guide to try and use a debian DVD on my mirror: http://linux.spiney.org/using_the_debian_etch_dvd_as_local_mirror |
| 23:34.43 | sc30317 | and when I did, I got the error message on the PXE boot client: |
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| 23:34.52 | sc30317 | The installer failed to download a file from the mirror. |
| 23:34.56 | jpinx-eeepc | sc30317: etch ? |
| 23:34.57 | sc30317 | anyone know why this may be? |
| 23:35.02 | sc30317 | jpinx-eeepc, lenny |
| 23:35.19 | jpinx-eeepc | sc30317: it says etch in the url |
| 23:35.32 | xelister | themill: I was thinking of deploying like, integrit (or tripwire) - but perhaps just debsums would be enough (and also better?) if it would use like sha1 |
| 23:36.09 | sc30317 | jpinx-eeepc, yea but I changed it to lenny |
| 23:36.31 | jpinx-eeepc | sc30317: what - you just randomly changer the url? |
| 23:37.10 | sc30317 | no |
| 23:37.24 | sc30317 | I changed all the options with the boot |
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| 23:37.41 | sc30317 | the file gets mounted in /debian/dists/lenny instead of /debian/dists/etch |
| 23:37.46 | sc30317 | so it should work fine, correct? |
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| 23:39.16 | sc30317 | I can do a wget http://IPADDRESS/debian/dists/lenny/Release |
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| 23:39.25 | sc30317 | and I can retrieve the file fine jpinx-eeepc |
| 23:40.01 | Sivarts | Hi can anyone help with nvidia card? I connect a VGA monitor and DVI monitor to my video card and nvidia-settings recognizes fine, but if I connect a VGA monitor and a LCD TV with a DVI->HDMI cable I get no signal on TV and it doesn't recognize the monitor at all in nvidia-settings |
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| 23:40.13 | Sivarts | it does show the VGA monitor fine though |
| 23:41.12 | thepro4ever | why doesn't the follwing work in a shell script temp=pwd ??? the output is printing out pwd instead of what path pwd returns |
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| 23:41.40 | sweetpi | thepro4ever: temp=$(pwd) |
| 23:41.46 | thepro4ever | i did that too |
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| 23:43.09 | thepro4ever | sweetpi i just made a script with only that and an echo $temp , it prints a blank line |
| 23:43.23 | sweetpi | thepro4ever: works here |
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| 23:44.14 | sweetpi | thepro4ever: #!/bin/bash; temp=$(pwd); echo $temp |
| 23:45.26 | thepro4ever | i have #!/bin/sh |
| 23:45.42 | sweetpi | thepro4ever: ok.. still should work |
| 23:45.49 | thepro4ever | oh wait you are using parenthesis i am using brackets |
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| 23:46.09 | thepro4ever | yeah it works now |
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| 23:50.58 | qwd | I'm trying to setup crontab to change my theme according to the time of the day. I want darklooks after 21:00 and Clearlooks after 06:00, have I done it right? http://pastebin.com/LTdRs8N5 Also, I guess it's a bit of a long shot but anyone know if it's possible to do the same with the Firefox extension Stylish? |
| 23:51.18 | Oleg_ | how do I enable toolbar support in xterm? |
| 23:51.42 | jordanm | Oleg_: toolbar support? |
| 23:51.47 | Oleg_ | yes |
| 23:51.58 | jordanm | xterm does not have any type of toolbar |
| 23:52.05 | Oleg_ | so, I could choose font sizes and etc |
| 23:52.09 | jordanm | its very basic |
| 23:52.40 | Oleg_ | I know that on gentoo, it's possible to compile it with the toolbar USE flag enabled |
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| 23:52.56 | Oleg_ | but I don't know how to install xterm/uxterm with the toolbar |
| 23:53.00 | Oleg_ | on Debian |
| 23:53.01 | jordanm | Oleg_: use a different terminal emulator that provides it. |
| 23:54.07 | Oleg_ | jordanm: on gentoo, this is available: |
| 23:54.21 | Oleg_ | [ebuild U ] x11-terms/xterm-262 [250] USE="toolbar truetype unicode -Xaw3d" 911 kB |
| 23:54.27 | sweetpi | never heard of a toolbar for xterm, but ctrl+right click/middle click will give some menus |
| 23:54.46 | jordanm | Oleg_: xterm -tb |
| 23:55.01 | jordanm | sweetpi: I had never heard of it either.. but there it was in the manpage |
| 23:55.33 | jordanm | although, I can't imagine why people use xterm when they don't have to |
| 23:55.59 | Oleg_ | xterm -tb |
| 23:56.01 | Oleg_ | xterm: bad command line option "-tb" |
| 23:56.20 | sweetpi | same here |
| 23:56.34 | jordanm | Oleg_: file a bug against the incorrect manpage |
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| 23:57.40 | HandyGandy | Is there a way to list and extract evrything in a deb package? |
| 23:57.42 | sweetpi | oh thats to specify a resource file for the toolbar. also, it shows the same stuff ctrl+right/middle click does |
| 23:57.58 | jordanm | HandyGandy: it just an "ar" archive, so yes |
| 23:58.03 | Oleg_ | sweetpi: yes, ctrl+right-click displays exactly the same menus that I have enabled by default on gentoo |
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| 23:58.39 | thepro4ever | why am I unable to strip off the extension with the following command?? /home/thepro4ever/installable/SDL/SDL-1.2.14.tar.gz > sed -e 's!.tar.gz!!' /home/thepro4ever/installable/SDL/SDL-1.2.14.tar.gz: cannot execute binary file |
| 23:58.43 | jordanm | HandyGandy: dpkg --contents; dpkg -x foo |
| 23:58.49 | Oleg_ | sweetpi: I mean, the toolbar use flag on gentoo would make those menus always present |
| 23:58.58 | thepro4ever | i'm doing something really stupid, i'm just trying to pass that path as a string to sed |
| 23:59.23 | jordanm | thepro4ever: that so terribly wrong |
| 23:59.28 | thepro4ever | dang it |
| 23:59.37 | themill | thepro4ever: sounds a lot like you need a basic intro to scripting. Perhaps #bash can recommend one for you. |
| 23:59.55 | thepro4ever | damn |