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| 00:11.40 | williamh | I am setting up snmpd on a server which I have deleted the loopback address from /etc/defaults/snmpd SNMPDOPTS line (and yes restarted) but it still is not listening to non loopback ports. Reading through this shoudl default it to listeing to all interfaces. anything else I need to be doing? |
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| 00:12.21 | tharkun | whois elrond |
| 00:12.27 | monkey_d_luffy | when on a WM like KDE or Gnome, when I choose to reboot, do the WM execute /etc/init.d/reboot or do they call reboot directly? My idea was to modify that file (backup first) to call kexec instead |
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| 01:09.38 | allan8904 | if i want to upgrade from lenny to sid, is the best way to add the sid repos to my sources.list and then do a dist-upgrade? |
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| 01:14.39 | term4 | When you use zip filename path of the directory does it copy all the files along with the current file permissions to the zip archieve? |
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| 01:16.37 | somiaj | term4: if by zip you mean tar, then yes it will tar up the whole filesystem tree starting at the top level you point it to. |
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| 01:17.03 | somiaj | term4: (note ownership isn't preserved, but primissions are) |
| 01:17.04 | term4 | Tar and zip are different archievers |
| 01:17.18 | term4 | If you do it was root? |
| 01:17.28 | somiaj | well zip doesn't keep file primisions, but tar will |
| 01:17.37 | term4 | Ok. Thanks |
| 01:18.01 | term4 | Is there a special switch for it? |
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| 01:18.31 | somiaj | term4: yes man tar -- |
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| 01:21.33 | term4 | I checked the man pages and all I found was this tar cvzf foo.tgz cps100 |
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| 01:23.48 | jordanm | term4: you should search manpages. hit "/" and type in "permissions", "n" to go to next find |
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| 01:25.17 | jordanm | thepro4ever: you have to uncompress, then untar |
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| 01:25.41 | jordanm | lzma -d |
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| 01:34.06 | deftones | ok - I've totally flushed my iptables and I am still only able to see 80/21 from outside of box. besides a network device infront of my server (that i am unaware of) is there anything debian default that could be stopping me from seeing my box...? |
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| 01:35.12 | deftones | ruth |
| 01:35.17 | deftones | egh |
| 01:35.29 | stew | deftones: have you checked with netstat that there is a service listening to a ip/port that you are trying to connect to? |
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| 01:36.34 | thepro4ever | where do I go to enable sound recording on Debian??? |
| 01:36.47 | stew | thepro4ever: alsamixer? |
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| 01:38.19 | bookmark | hiya |
| 01:38.19 | bookmark | does anyone know how to erase dvd-rw on the command line? |
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| 01:43.10 | deStone | stew - netstat will show the packet before it gets dropped? |
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| 01:47.25 | stew | deStone: netstat will show if there is a service which would answer at all |
| 01:48.01 | stew | deStone: try, for instance "netstat -plnt | grep :33" if 33 is a port you suspect something to be listening on |
| 01:48.07 | stew | deStone: see if that returns a result |
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| 01:48.58 | s4squ4tch | howdy |
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| 01:54.47 | fishcooker | wammu or gnokii like on debian ?! |
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| 02:06.56 | bookmark | how to spell concentration |
| 02:06.58 | bookmark | is that right? |
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| 02:08.33 | mordocai | How hard would it bwe, with lvm, to take some space from one volume and move it to another? |
| 02:08.36 | mordocai | be* |
| 02:08.42 | vsmatck | hm, updated and rebooted on debian squeeze and I got error about /var/lib/gdm3/.ICEauthority not being able to be updated. My gconfd-2 is maxing out my CPU also. |
| 02:09.16 | vsmatck | Hm, my window borders can't be changed now either. |
| 02:10.03 | mordocai | Well, first thing is probably to check the permissions on /var/lib/gdm3/* and see if those look wierd.... i've never heard of something like that though, hopefully someone around here has. |
| 02:12.13 | yagoo | :) |
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| 02:12.25 | vsmatck | Doesn't seem to be any bugs for this on the gdm3 bug page. I don't have another system to compare to. My /var/lib/gdm3/.ICEauthority is 600. |
| 02:12.29 | yagoo | thinks --------- looks weird |
| 02:12.42 | vsmatck | user/group look normal. |
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| 02:13.12 | mordocai | Might try just killing and restarting gconfd-2 |
| 02:13.23 | yagoo | mordocai, debian.org/bugs |
| 02:13.58 | yagoo | it's actually "debian.org/Bugs" see if anyone has filed a bug about it |
| 02:14.12 | vsmatck | hm, tried 'killall gconfd-2'. It just restarts and maxes my CPU. |
| 02:14.14 | yagoo | maybe there's a suggestion/bypass |
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| 02:15.47 | joshsmith | how do you remove something installed from a dotdeb package? |
| 02:16.00 | joshsmith | in this instance MySQL, but I'm guessing it doesn't matter *what* |
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| 02:17.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | depends on how broken the detdeb package is.... |
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| 02:17.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | aptitude remove package or dpkg -r package |
| 02:18.02 | mordocai | vsmatck: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1028207.html has a few things that worked for people, no real common fix though. Looks like it might be a malfunctioning GNOME app |
| 02:18.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | and if that doesn't work, then you remove it with sweat and tears.... |
| 02:18.33 | mordocai | By sweat and tears he means find and rm :P |
| 02:18.41 | mordocai | (pretty much equivalent) |
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| 02:19.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | more like fix the damn prerm and postrm scripts |
| 02:20.31 | vsmatck | mordocai: ah hah! That link helped me. Turns out that killing metacity reduces my CPU usage. |
| 02:20.41 | mordocai | vsmatck: Excellent :P |
| 02:20.56 | joshsmith | I'm just in way over my head here... |
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| 02:21.18 | joshsmith | I removed the packages using apt-get remove --purge and something's still hanging around |
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| 02:22.05 | mordocai | joshsmith: Well, if you still have the package file lying around, you can use dpkg to get a list of all files it contained, then go around messing with it |
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| 02:29.02 | joshsmith | mordocai: I'm running through all the dotdeb files and doing dpkg -L and none of them seem to be installed |
| 02:29.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | joshsmith, you know... it would help if you somewhat defined "something" |
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| 02:29.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | the more vague you are, the more useless answers you get |
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| 02:31.02 | bookmark | josh purge doesn't remove packages from the archives |
| 02:31.22 | bookmark | it just removes dependencies which are no longer in use by what you uninstalled nor any other |
| 02:31.30 | bookmark | use apt-get clean maybe? |
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| 02:31.36 | bookmark | dunno try man apt-get |
| 02:31.41 | bookmark | there is some option for that |
| 02:32.18 | bookmark | autoclean |
| 02:32.19 | bookmark | is what you want |
| 02:32.31 | bookmark | read your man pages folks, i know it sounds gay |
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| 02:47.17 | peterrooney | joshsmith: also, packages "deborphan" and "debfoster" are rather useful in identifying unneeded packages |
| 02:47.18 | pythos | anyone else have trouble with debian being able to get networking to funciotn with some varieties of routers? |
| 02:48.20 | NickyP | I managed to mangle my path. What is a good starting point for path? |
| 02:48.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | / |
| 02:49.17 | NickyP | lol |
| 02:49.33 | NickyP | i got past that |
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| 02:50.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games |
| 02:50.26 | NickyP | ok |
| 02:50.45 | NickyP | any system stuff? |
| 02:50.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | although, in a deeper sense, / is the _only_ starting point for your path |
| 02:51.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | that'S what I have for a user... root gets sbin, too |
| 02:51.14 | NickyP | yes poorly worded |
| 02:51.17 | NickyP | ? |
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| 02:51.51 | NickyP | thanks for the hand holding |
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| 02:53.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | (for both bins) |
| 02:54.33 | NickyP | yes aftere arestart all came back to those |
| 02:54.45 | NickyP | for root and user |
| 02:55.00 | NickyP | sbin in root |
| 02:55.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | a new login would have done, then |
| 02:55.06 | Moult | anybody familiar with configuring postfix can help me debug why mails aren't being sent? i'm following http://wiki.debian.org/Postfix and i can only send to a single email address, any other user or domain (owned by me with MX records set) doesn't work |
| 02:55.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | or should have |
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| 03:00.53 | joshsmith | Thanks to everyone for help; I just took the hard route and used find to hunt down every possible remaining mysql file and obliterate them all |
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| 03:13.12 | peterrooney | wonders what dongs did to get banned |
| 03:14.39 | thomas | greetings: does anybody want to take a look at a dhcpd file and gues as to why the client doesn't want to accept the offering ? |
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| 03:20.34 | thomas | moult: did you resolve your postfix issues ? |
| 03:20.59 | Moult | thomas: not all |
| 03:21.16 | thomas | moult: what issues remain ? |
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| 03:21.21 | Moult | thomas: but doing a little reading now, i _might_ solve this issue |
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| 03:21.40 | Moult | thomas: sending at foo@bar.com, where foo is a local user on the system (not a virtual user) works, but not root@bar.com |
| 03:21.57 | thomas | is root aliased ? |
| 03:22.06 | thomas | moult: always a good idea |
| 03:22.31 | Moult | thomas: no, by default it should send to the local user on the system, nothing to do with virtual or aliased users |
| 03:22.39 | Moult | but i guess after aliasing it it should work yeah |
| 03:23.10 | thomas | moult:not necesarily, check that root is being sent to another user |
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| 03:23.34 | Moult | thomas: sorry, how could it be sent to another user? |
| 03:24.00 | thomas | moult: you can have any e-mail for root sent to any user, usually however the sysadmin is |
| 03:24.23 | thomas | moult : however = whoever |
| 03:24.45 | thomas | Moult: what does your alias file show ? |
| 03:26.56 | Moult | thomas: just postmaster: root, and a few other things like abuse and spam being directed to postmaster |
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| 03:27.23 | thomas | Moult: do you have an account on the machine ? |
| 03:27.29 | Moult | thomas: yes |
| 03:27.50 | thomas | Moult: do you know how to alias root and postmaster to your account ? |
| 03:28.06 | Moult | thomas: nope, but i will soon :) http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html |
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| 03:29.19 | thomas | Moult: edit the aliases file ( usually /etc/aliases) and then run newaliases ( usuually /usr/bin/newaliases) then saee what happens |
| 03:29.31 | Moult | thomas: yep, will do after i read through this |
| 03:29.44 | thomas | back in 10 minutes |
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| 03:54.35 | Crypticfortune | So I recently started running debian lenny sparc (with the stock 2.6.26-2-sparc64-smp kernel) on a Sun T2000 about a week ago. the disconcerting thing is that the free memory has gradually been decreasing, and yet nothing seems to be using it. the amount of memory in cache and in use by processes hasn't been changing, yet the free memory has gradually fallen from 16GB to 13GB... any ideas? |
| 03:55.06 | Crypticfortune | I can only assume the kernel is leaking memory somehow...but how can I check? |
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| 04:04.36 | thepro4ever | how do i grep my bash command history for a command i typed in a few hours ago? |
| 04:05.35 | ha_ha_ho | try history |
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| 04:06.18 | k- | "$ history | grep 'command' "; but-- bash has history.command/display, use "$ help fc" for more info |
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| 04:27.12 | beardy | thomas: ^r type what you are looking for, ^r again to search backwards again |
| 04:27.49 | beardy | thepro4ever: ^^^ that was for you |
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| 04:28.20 | tabmowsuxcox | If debian was a homo how would he shave his ass |
| 04:28.22 | tabmowsuxcox | i think |
| 04:28.27 | tabmowsuxcox | Debian would go untrimmed |
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| 04:28.31 | beardy | !ops tabmowsuxcox |
| 04:28.31 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: beardy complains about: tabmowsuxcox |
| 04:28.34 | tabmowsuxcox | Hair caked together with shit |
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| 04:28.48 | rww | KB1JWQ: you're everywhere today :) |
| 04:28.54 | KB1JWQ | I'm like American Express. |
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| 05:07.27 | thepro4ever | how do i set an environment variable local to the running script |
| 05:07.52 | thepro4ever | i'm trying to set it inside my shell script without making it a permanent system global change |
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| 05:08.31 | Pryon | thepro4ever: You can't affect the environment of the calling process |
| 05:08.51 | thepro4ever | i thought you could export the environment flags or something |
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| 05:09.03 | Pryon | Yes, but that applies only to the current shell, not the calling shell |
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| 05:10.20 | thepro4ever | you are saying that the calling shell is my "current" state and my "future" shell is the shell after the script applies those exports? |
| 05:10.29 | thepro4ever | and a shell is a terminal window |
| 05:11.37 | thepro4ever | the environment variable change can only be seen from the shell in which the script was executed?? I do indeed want this, i don't want it permanent, i want to change the variable at the start of the shell script so the rest of the script can use it |
| 05:11.39 | Pryon | If you have a script called foo.sh and in that script you do 'export FOO="bar"' and then do 'bash foo.sh', while foo.sh is running, FOO will be set to "bar". After the script is done running, FOO will have its previous value, if any |
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| 05:12.14 | thepro4ever | ahhh |
| 05:12.23 | thepro4ever | i only need it set for the duration of the script |
| 05:13.41 | simonrvn | no, shell runs in a term |
| 05:14.37 | simonrvn | or detached... depends whether or not it's attached to a tty ("a terminal") |
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| 05:15.39 | thepro4ever | so all i need to do is the export? |
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| 05:16.45 | Pryon | thepro4ever: http://pastie.org/1234694 |
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| 06:28.48 | ernstl | is there a known issue about debian and webcam support in adobe flash? (iceweasel) |
| 06:29.08 | shai__ | Hi :) During the netinstaller setup, how can I check what IP was assigned via dhcp? |
| 06:29.40 | shai__ | hmm. found it :) target/sbin/ifconfig |
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| 06:34.03 | simonrvn | e-jones: flash has nothing to do with debian |
| 06:34.20 | simonrvn | e-jones: sorry, ETAB |
| 06:34.25 | simonrvn | ernstl: ^^^ |
| 06:35.16 | e-jones | simonrvn: np :) |
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| 06:36.31 | ddalton | can anyone help me with either compiling a newer version of wpasupplicant than already is in debian, or somehow finding a precompiled binary |
| 06:36.56 | ddalton | i get an error when trying to use certificate authentication and it works fine on ubuntu so i suspect wpasupplicant is broken...? |
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| 06:41.10 | shai__ | Isn't squeeze suppose to come with kernel 2.6.32? I just downloaded the netinstaller and it is using 2.6.26 ... why is that? |
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| 06:43.14 | shai__ | oh .. squeeze is the unstable one.. sorry :) this is lenny I'm using .. |
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| 06:45.42 | rww | squeeze =testing. unstable is another thing. |
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| 06:46.41 | Gokee2 | Is there any way to input seconds into the date command and have it output the time? I want to reverse "date +%s" and make it readable |
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| 06:49.19 | rww | Gokee2: date -d @secondsgohere |
| 06:49.47 | rww | e.g. "date -d @1287557227" outputs "Tue Oct 19 23:47:07 PDT 2010" |
| 06:49.49 | Gokee2 | rww, Ah! Perfect thanks :) |
| 06:50.13 | rww | Gokee2: no problem. I found it hiding in the infopage for the date command :) |
| 06:50.56 | Gokee2 | rww, infopage? |
| 06:51.56 | Gokee2 | looked all through the man page but could not find anything... |
| 06:52.40 | rww | Gokee2: It's not in the manpage. See the "SEE ALSO" section of the manpage; there's a separate info manual that's rather obnoxious to get set up. |
| 06:52.45 | rww | or http://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/manual/coreutils.html online |
| 06:54.11 | Gokee2 | rww, Ah, I see that now, thanks :) That should be really helpful for making date do what I want |
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| 06:58.39 | sotaya | hello |
| 06:59.41 | sotaya | i try to run a file in a directory different that i am on now, and it ry to run it in my current dir, what can be the problem? |
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| 07:01.01 | sotaya | example of what i try: /usr/bin/php /var/www/mydir/file.php and i get this error: The file /var/log/var/www/mydir/data/file.txt is not exists |
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| 07:02.20 | sotaya | why does it try to run it using the path i run it from and not the path sarting from root? |
| 07:02.51 | sotaya | anyone? |
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| 07:07.38 | [[[ACID0]]] | hey |
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| 07:07.56 | orschiro | hi guys, how can I install debian testing using the daily build when I want to use a wpa2 connection? |
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| 07:09.16 | rww | orschiro: as someone who tried to do this recently and failed, go get an ethernet cable... |
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| 07:10.41 | orschiro | well that's not possible as I have only wlan0 available. is there really no way, neither a debian testing live cd to install from? |
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| 07:11.30 | [[[ACID0]]] | some one speack spanish |
| 07:12.02 | f8l | !tell [[[ACID0]]] about es |
| 07:12.09 | ernstl | what can be the reason for this error? |
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| 07:12.10 | ernstl | cerpin@deloused:~$ LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libv4l/v4lcompat.so firefox |
| 07:12.13 | ernstl | ERROR: ld.so: object '/usr/lib/libv4l/v4lcompat.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored. |
| 07:12.25 | ernstl | i am using amd64 debian testing |
| 07:12.38 | Gokee2 | orschiro, You should be able to install it from the CD |
| 07:12.47 | [[[ACID0]]] | just i want to ask wath you doo in thise channel |
| 07:13.04 | Gokee2 | orschiro, Just drop to a prompt and do whatever stuff you need to do to get your wireless going |
| 07:13.25 | orschiro | how I drop to a prompt? |
| 07:13.40 | orschiro | is wpa_supplicant available on the netinstall image? |
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| 07:14.22 | Gokee2 | orschiro, Ctrl+Alt+F2 through F6 should all have prompts for you |
| 07:14.54 | Gokee2 | orschiro, And I have no idea about that, you might have to download it and whatever else you need and have then handy on a USB drive or such |
| 07:15.08 | Gokee2 | s/then/them/ |
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| 07:17.04 | Gokee2 | orschiro, I am sure getting the install done will be non-trivial with only wireless unless to know what you are doing |
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| 07:20.57 | lxsameer__ | hi , how can i change a user password in a script without getting input ( eg something like passwd "newpasswd") |
| 07:20.57 | orschiro | hmm alright, so I would boot from image getting here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/ and then mount my stick to install wpa_supplicant? |
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| 07:21.49 | lxsameer__ | *passwd user "pass" |
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| 07:26.29 | orschiro | by the way, is there also a debian sid(unstable) installer? |
| 07:26.39 | orschiro | or would if first install testing and then upgrade to sid? |
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| 07:39.21 | simonrvn | !sid upgrade |
| 07:39.22 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead. See also <sid upgrade test>. |
| 07:39.29 | simonrvn | !sid upgrade test |
| 07:39.30 | dpkg | If you can't work out how to upgrade your machine to testing (or unstable), then this is probably a good indication that you (a) don't know enough about Debian to be able to solve the inevitable problems you will face and (b) you don't know how to use google or documentation to answer really easy questions. If either of these apply, you shouldn't be using unstable (or even testing) and we're not going to help you do so. |
| 07:39.59 | rww | i like that factoid. |
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| 07:46.49 | nigcog | sup autists |
| 07:46.55 | nigcog | n e spergs |
| 07:46.58 | nigcog | n e hugbox |
| 07:47.04 | nigcog | ne murder ur wife |
| 07:47.06 | nigcog | 8} |
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| 07:48.08 | jww | aptitude remove nigcog. |
| 07:48.39 | nigcog | u wish |
| 07:49.06 | nigcog | Ima suk yo dick before you can apt get cum |
| 07:49.06 | nigcog | 8P |
| 07:49.17 | nigcog | tell lorez hes a filthy fucking nigger |
| 07:50.04 | rww | !ops | nigcog |
| 07:50.04 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: rww complains about: | nigcog |
| 07:50.20 | nigcog | !ops | rww |
| 07:50.20 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: nigcog complains about: | rww |
| 07:50.26 | nigcog | !ops dpkg |
| 07:50.27 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: nigcog complains about: dpkg |
| 07:50.37 | nigcog | !ops hydroxide |
| 07:50.38 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: nigcog complains about: hydroxide |
| 07:50.46 | nigcog | !ops bob2 |
| 07:50.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: nigcog complains about: bob2 |
| 07:50.53 | nigcog | !ops caphuso |
| 07:50.53 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: nigcog complains about: caphuso |
| 07:50.59 | rww | oh lawd |
| 07:51.01 | nigcog | !ops dondelelcaro |
| 07:51.01 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: nigcog complains about: dondelelcaro |
| 07:51.09 | nigcog | !ops doogie |
| 07:51.10 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: nigcog complains about: doogie |
| 07:51.18 | nigcog | !ops my dick is on fireba11 |
| 07:51.19 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: nigcog complains about: my dick is on fireba11 |
| 07:51.39 | nigcog | !ops someonene67 suck on my weasel |
| 07:51.40 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: nigcog complains about: someonene67 suck on my weasel |
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| 07:55.43 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: similar host as before (KB1JWQ took care of the other one) |
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| 07:56.18 | rww | #ubuntu ended up +q *!*@*tmodns.net :( |
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| 08:01.45 | sameerynho | how can i force a user to logging out |
| 08:01.54 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: slay |
| 08:02.10 | dondelelcaro | s/simonrvn/sameerynho/ |
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| 08:08.37 | jww | sameerynho: if you don't want to install slay, I think killall -u $USER should be ok. |
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| 08:22.27 | sameerynho | how can i completely remove a package with everything related to it? |
| 08:22.28 | Crypticfortune | jww: actually I think, iirc, login shells ignore SIGTERM, so you'd need to killall -9 -u $USER, not so friendly... |
| 08:22.48 | Crypticfortune | sameerynho: aptitude purge ? |
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| 08:24.14 | Crypticfortune | sameerynho: (i guess it depends on what you mean by "related", but purge will kill the config files for the package) |
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| 08:24.47 | Crypticfortune | So I recently started running debian lenny sparc (with the stock 2.6.26-2-sparc64-smp kernel) on a Sun T2000 about a week ago. the disconcerting thing is that the free memory has gradually been decreasing, and yet nothing seems to be using it. the amount of memory in cache and in use by processes hasn't been changing, yet the free memory has gradually fallen from 16GB to 13GB... any ideas? |
| 08:25.03 | Crypticfortune | I can only assume the kernel is leaking memory somehow...but how can I check? |
| 08:25.07 | antgel | i suppose this is really for dondelcaro but anyway. i installed a blootbot on my machine, but karma consistently reports neutral for users wha have been given ++ |
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| 08:25.29 | antgel | Crypticfortune: maybe it's caching-type stuff? |
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| 08:26.32 | Crypticfortune | antgel: but the cache memory in "free -m" hasn't been changing, so it's not kernel cache, and no there are no big memory processes... |
| 08:26.52 | Crypticfortune | (so it's not a process caching stuff on its own...) |
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| 08:27.58 | sxp | hi, I downloaded the netinst Debian squeeze CD but when I try to boot with the CD... |
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| 08:28.11 | sxp | ...my screen doesn't show me anything |
| 08:28.27 | sxp | I think it's a problem with my monitor's resolution |
| 08:28.46 | reallove | hello. is it possible to enable promiscuous mode on an interface, right after it is brought up at system boot? |
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| 08:28.54 | sxp | it supports 800x600 |
| 08:28.58 | sxp | no more |
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| 08:29.53 | Crypticfortune | sxp: by default i think the netinst cds use a VGA menu, so it's probably running 640x480? you can turn on scroll-lock to bypass the syslinux menu and get yourself a boot prompt |
| 08:30.42 | Crypticfortune | sxp: (or hold on a shift or alt key while booting) |
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| 08:32.19 | Crypticfortune | reallove: add a post-up command to /etc/network/interfaces? Though I can't imagine why you'd do such a thing... |
| 08:34.19 | reallove | Crypticfortune: thanks for this, I was starting to look in /etc/network/if-up.d/ initialy, but looks like the instruction post-up might work |
| 08:35.14 | sxp | well, I tried holding the ALT key and I get a line where it says "boot: " |
| 08:35.26 | Crypticfortune | sxp: good. type "install" and hit enter there |
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| 08:36.42 | sxp | It works!!! |
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| 08:36.57 | sxp | thank you Crypticfortune |
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| 08:37.08 | Crypticfortune | no problem ^^ |
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| 08:37.22 | sxp | and sorry for my English |
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| 08:38.56 | reallove | Crypticfortune: yay, thanks. that works for my needs perfect. |
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| 08:50.30 | nuscire | Hi, guys. I have a Debian box as a server in my office. I can access the server via its IP address from other computers (running Windowz) within the office. But can I make the connection through "its name" other than the IP? I think there should exist such functionality, but don't know which. Any idea? Thanks. |
| 08:50.59 | simonrvn | /etc/hosts, internal dns |
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| 08:52.02 | nuscire | well, the problem is, the IP for the server is dynamic, by DHCP. |
| 08:52.53 | simonrvn | then you update dynamically - your own dyndns so to speak |
| 08:54.30 | nuscire | /etc/hosts on the debian server or windows machines? |
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| 08:54.45 | simonrvn | whichever needs it |
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| 08:56.03 | nuscire | is there a way for the windows to update their hosts files dynamically? |
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| 09:01.59 | nordin | hello guys, what is /bin/false? I googled everywhere but couldn't find any answers, only how to use with other commands |
| 09:02.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | um, itsa command that returns false... |
| 09:02.24 | rww | It's a command that does nothing and returns a status code that indicates it failed. |
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| 09:02.51 | sander^work | Why do I get: lsattr: Inappropriate ioctl for device While reading flags on..... when doing lsattr over nfs? |
| 09:02.51 | rww | "man false" says this ;) |
| 09:03.12 | nordin | so it is actually doing nothing but return false; ? |
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| 09:03.57 | nordin | damn, I need to dig further to understand why people use /bin/false :( |
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| 09:05.25 | at0m | nordin: iiuc, it's for accounts that aren't really users, accounts who shouldnt be able to login on their own but rather run (a single) specific task |
| 09:06.20 | nordin | at0m: oooh ok, thnx for your short but very clear explanation. |
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| 09:09.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | nordin, /bin/true |
| 09:10.14 | eshat | what was the debian package to rebuild source code of a package with newer upstream version ? |
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| 09:10.36 | knubbze | hi, is it possible to have a private ld.so.conf ? |
| 09:10.50 | nordin | CutMeOwnThroat: I understand it's the same as /bin/false, only it returns a true false...? |
| 09:10.52 | knubbze | something like ${HOME}/.ld.so.conf? |
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| 09:12.11 | eshat | ahhh its uupdate |
| 09:12.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | nordin, also "man false"... yes... true returns true, false returns false |
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| 09:13.06 | nordin | CutMeOwnThroat: thnx |
| 09:15.56 | Worf | btw - Microsoft just released /bin/true 2010 and /bin/false 2010, now with aero-support, prepared for touch interfaces, and fully updated to use the new .net 3.5 framework! |
| 09:16.17 | at0m | (TM) |
| 09:16.29 | Worf | ah right, forgot about that :) |
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| 09:17.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | Microsoft invented /bin/{true,false}! |
| 09:17.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... and the internet |
| 09:18.36 | at0m | CutMeOwnThroat: read their request to ban all virus infected machines from the web? #"how do i shoot my own foot" |
| 09:20.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | takes it to #d-ot |
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| 09:27.24 | crashanddie | Hi guys, I have a debian etch amd64 chroot, however I can't seem to find the base64 command? It should be in the coreutils package, which is installed, but base64 isn't. |
| 09:29.24 | asmynoun | crashanddie: /usr/bin/base64 doesn't exist? |
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| 09:29.51 | crashanddie | Nope ls: /usr/bin/base64: No such file or directory |
| 09:30.11 | crashanddie | And apt-file can't find /usr/bin/base64 either |
| 09:30.19 | rvsjoen | its in coreutils |
| 09:30.41 | asmynoun | Hm, indeed: purge & reinstall? |
| 09:30.42 | crashanddie | well, obviously not in this version of coreutils |
| 09:30.53 | crashanddie | ii coreutils 5.97-5.3 |
| 09:31.23 | rvsjoen | ,versions coreutils |
| 09:31.24 | judd | Package coreutils on i386 -- etch: 5.97-5.3; lenny: 6.10-6; sid: 8.5-1; squeeze: 8.5-1 |
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| 09:32.37 | rvsjoen | could the 'etch no longer on mirrors' be the answer ? |
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| 09:33.23 | v_V | hi, i apt-get install pidgin. and i cannot find msn messenger in the pidgin, anymore to install ? |
| 09:33.25 | crashanddie | I'm getting from archive.debian.org/debian |
| 09:33.30 | rvsjoen | ok |
| 09:33.51 | crashanddie | rvsjoen, this is just a chroot to allow compilation on a libc6 old enough for my customers |
| 09:35.14 | asmynoun | http://archive.debian.org/debian/pool/main/c/coreutils/coreutils_5.97-5.3_amd64.deb doesn't even contain the base64 file in the /usr/bin directory |
| 09:35.25 | asmynoun | So, obtaining it from elsewhere? |
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| 09:35.44 | petemc | or use something else to do the encoding/decoding, like perl |
| 09:35.48 | crashanddie | Hmm, so this could actually be ancient enough that base64 wasn't yet included in the GNU Coreutils? |
| 09:36.23 | asmynoun | It doens't really matter, right? |
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| 09:36.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | perhaps look and see if you can find it http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/Contents-i386.gz |
| 09:37.40 | crashanddie | OK, I'll go for Perl, thanks guys |
| 09:37.57 | asmynoun | crashanddie: or Python or build it from src (a fresher src) |
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| 09:39.01 | crashanddie | asmynoun, well, actually, I found this problem after one of my testers reported that base64 was unable to handle the data I was passing on -- it sounds absurd, but it would appear there are some conflicts between versions. I'm going to write my own quick perl script so I'm not implementation dependent. |
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| 09:39.35 | asmynoun | crashanddie: whatever fits |
| 09:39.45 | asmynoun | fits best* |
| 09:39.46 | crashanddie | indeed |
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| 09:40.54 | sameerynho | how can i get a compressed file type ? |
| 09:41.21 | petemc | file |
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| 09:48.10 | adfhheriuuuuur | hi |
| 09:48.52 | rvsjoen | does debian pack a 64-bit java ? i'm running amd64 but /usr/bin/java is still ELF32 (sun-java6-* packages) |
| 09:49.15 | adfhheriuuuuur | how i can root login in linux mint debian base 9? |
| 09:49.40 | rvsjoen | su - ? |
| 09:50.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | adfhheriuuuuur: ask the linux mint people |
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| 09:53.42 | adfhheriuuuuur | i want to graphical login |
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| 09:54.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | adfhheriuuuuur: ask the linux mint people |
| 09:55.53 | themill | rvsjoen: sun's non-free java is not available for amd64 except as a 32-bit thing with the ia32-libs as support. Use OpenJDK if you want a 64bit jvm. |
| 09:55.57 | adfhheriuuuuur | they not answer me.. |
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| 09:56.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | adfhheriuuuuur: then keep waiting |
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| 09:56.20 | themill | adfhheriuuuuur: patience is a virtue. #debian doesn't know. |
| 09:56.36 | rvsjoen | themill: yeah I just tried openjdk, seems to be working, thanks |
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| 09:58.00 | Morten_ | adfhheriuuuuur: try at the irc-channel #linuxmint-debian@irc.spotchat.org |
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| 10:11.09 | nike | Will debian pretty much only make Xen domain 0 kernels for releases? |
| 10:11.28 | nike | until dom0 is in Linux upstream anyway |
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| 11:37.34 | Talon_ | I downloaded the latest stable of debian, 5.0.6 and to save time, I skipped setting up the repositories just to get it up and running, now I can't for the life of me figure out how to configure them now. |
| 11:37.48 | abrotman | Talon_: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:37.57 | abrotman | also see /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 11:39.00 | abrotman | Talon_: also see debian.org/mirrors/list .. and there is a uchicago.edu mirror IIRC |
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| 11:45.07 | xand | !ftpmustdie |
| 11:45.07 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie . If you really just want to provide anonymous download of files, use HTTP: http://daniel.haxx.se/docs/ftp-vs-http.html |
| 11:49.18 | tdn | How do I check the fingerprint of an SSH key? |
| 11:49.21 | abrotman | Talon_: did you get it figured out ? |
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| 11:53.07 | Talon_ | abrotman: yes I did thank you :) |
| 11:53.27 | abrotman | Talon_: and hopefully you're using the uchicago mirror :) |
| 11:53.51 | asmynoun | tdn: ssh-keygen -lf filename |
| 11:54.30 | Talon_ | I'm testing out debian in virtualbox, im thinking about getting rid of ubuntu... so far I like it, clean install, top shows 80 processes. I got 221 processes runnin in ubuntu, and thats obsurd. |
| 11:54.54 | slingr | do it |
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| 11:55.36 | asmynoun | Talon_: depending on your needs, Debian can be your possible choice :) |
| 11:55.45 | slingr | ubuntu is debians little brother with a little bit of downs. its like comparing billy baldwin's career to alec baldwin's |
| 11:56.07 | slingr | there really is just no comparison, everyone knows who is better |
| 11:56.43 | Talon_ | all i need is apache, perl, php, mysql, and code::blocks for developing my C++ apps and I'm happy. |
| 11:56.58 | folivora | Anyone here using oidentd ? I'm having error with masquaring. I get following error: 6667 :ERROR : NO-USER. I've readed, that i should use -m option and i can find it from man-pages, but with that option oidentd refuses to start up. |
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| 12:00.18 | asmynoun | Talon_: then you made your choice :) |
| 12:00.28 | asmynoun | slingr: but the ones who need an all-in-one live cd? |
| 12:00.39 | asmynoun | and a system that works just out-of-the-box? |
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| 12:02.02 | Talon_ | now the fun begins.. moving all the stuff i want to keep to another drive so i can remove ubuntu and install debian.. I never boot windows at all anymore so I think I'll even blow away my windows 7 partition and partition the entire drive for linux. I haven't booted windows in prolly 4 months. |
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| 12:03.58 | Talon_ | oh, does debian have the proprietary broadcom drivers for my wireless card? when I installed ubuntu, I had to use my laptop setup with ICS to share the internet so ubuntu could get my wireless drivers. just wondering if i'll haveto do the same on debian |
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| 12:04.29 | tdn | asmynoun, thanks |
| 12:04.44 | asmynoun | tdn: you're welcome |
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| 12:07.01 | stew | Talon_: if they are proprietary, non-free drivers, they should not be in debian and would not be included in the installer. They might be in a package in the non-free repositories, though. I would guess however that they are free drivers requiring non-free firmware, and that the installer would include the driver but not the firmware |
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| 12:07.17 | stew | Talon_: and the installer has provisions for you to privide the missing firmware on a usb drive during the install |
| 12:07.18 | abrotman | !installer firmware |
| 12:07.18 | dpkg | Debian-Installer since Lenny is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch06s04 and http://dannf.org/bloggf/tech/add-firmware-to . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. |
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| 12:09.10 | Talon_ | yeah so i'll just ics it with my laptop then, so it just updates with the repositories.. easier than finding what i need on the laptop n using a usb drive to get it to debain |
| 12:09.28 | Talon_ | i know it'll detect my ethernet controller |
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| 12:11.07 | abrotman | Talon_: it's usually just a single package oyu can put on a USB drive or floppy or CD or whatever |
| 12:11.27 | stew | and some wired ethernet requires the same treatment |
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| 12:53.43 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 12:53.43 | dpkg | <kingk> Its pretty easy to install Flash, you just dl, unpack, and run the installer. But it doesn't work for me <takatumi> kingk: and yet you say it's easy. |
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| 12:58.12 | D4rKr0W | i'm seeing these log entries a lot lately, should i worry? http://pastebin.com/WGvTSi4G |
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| 12:59.47 | abrotman | because someone is using your postfix TLS connection ? |
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| 13:04.16 | D4rKr0W | wasn't happening earlier |
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| 13:12.01 | Zathraz | Hi. Is it possible to specify a known_hosts file in a SSH/SCP command? (I migrated a server and now wish to use another account for connection without setting up a new keyexchange). yet I prefer not to add the know_hosts to the users know_host and have it in a separate file |
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| 13:13.35 | sedulous | how can I tell wpa_supplicant to prefer certain access points, or rather 802.11n over b/g? |
| 13:13.36 | mutante__ | hmm, have known_hosts1 and known_hosts2 and make "known_hosts" a symlink to either of them? |
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| 13:15.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | ssh might not accept symlinks... it's a bit picky |
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| 13:16.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's not accepting a+r on files that are supposed to be secret for sure |
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| 13:18.00 | stew | Zathraz: yes, you can pass -o UserKnownHostsFile=/path/to/wherever to ssh |
| 13:18.43 | Zathraz | ah. ty. Overlooked that one |
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| 13:22.13 | bolt | i seem to remember earlier versions of debian (using squeeze now) would ask who should get root's mail, and set /etc/aliases accordingly. now it doesn't. which package does this? something's adding "root: bolt" to /etc/aliases |
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| 13:24.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | *sigh* so what's the preferred way to run MS office stuff in debian.... after you have exhausted the possibility of "not" |
| 13:24.59 | AimHere | The only strictly 'in debian' way I can think of is using Wine |
| 13:25.05 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: openoffice ? |
| 13:25.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | wine? or mor like run the whole mess in virtualbox? |
| 13:25.11 | Talon_ | I thought openoffice.org worked for all ms office stuff |
| 13:25.13 | bolt | CutMeOwnThroat: after trying wine, crossoffice and whathaveyou, i ended on a virtual machine KVM with seamless rdp. that works well. |
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| 13:26.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | tried with openoffice... and documents that must not become changed/garbled... that's what I meant "after I had exhausted the option 'not'" |
| 13:26.55 | abrotman | abiword! |
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| 13:27.16 | iluminator101 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:27.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | it just doesn't do |
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| 13:27.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | bolt, yeah... that what I feared... |
| 13:27.44 | jelly | bolt: seamlessrdp dun work for me! :-) |
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| 13:28.29 | bolt | CutMeOwnThroat: seamless rdp is really quite brilliant. i can actually summon a start menu to sit at the bottom of my screen, and anything i open will be an rdp window... pretty much like this: http://www.josephn.net/images/scrapbook/seamlessrdp/seamlessrdp1.jpg (not my screenshot, but it's the same kinda setup) |
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| 13:30.58 | bolt | uses rdesktop with seamless.exe as the shell. can also open just a program, of course, but the start menu is handy when doing windows-things. often need more than one tool anyway |
| 13:32.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
| 13:32.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | hate the extra effort of setting up a vm |
| 13:33.04 | bolt | yeah |
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| 13:33.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | and what is the image in? |
| 13:33.19 | bolt | it sucks. but when it's up, i can copy the vm around to apply the same setup to any machine with ease |
| 13:33.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | this machine also theoretically dual-boots, but of course I'll not be able to recycle... |
| 13:33.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmp |
| 13:34.02 | bolt | image? |
| 13:34.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm? |
| 13:34.12 | Kasreyn | ping mydns is slow. ping -n mydns is fast. /etc/resolv.conf has correct nameservers and they can be pinged, what else should i check ? |
| 13:34.23 | bolt | i didn't understand the image question |
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| 13:34.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, I meant what do you use for the virual (<-note pun) machine |
| 13:34.55 | kaluva | Hi. I'm having a weird problem where scim won't die. No matter which way I try, shortly after (I think) I've killed the last process, I just comes back. Running squeeze, no Gnome/KDE/XFCE. What could be restarting it all the time? |
| 13:35.43 | bolt | CutMeOwnThroat: i used to have xp on vmware, then moved the thing to kvm |
| 13:36.10 | bolt | CutMeOwnThroat: i'm actually pondering installing a fresh copy of windows 7 in kvm instead, but the old xp copy still works fine, so it's not exactly a priority |
| 13:36.26 | jpinx-eeepc | kaluva: run top to see what's happening maybe? |
| 13:36.51 | bolt | i used vmware's tools to convert my former native xp installation to a virtual machine so i wouldn't have to install office and related crap all over again |
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| 13:37.09 | bolt | so that install has been through a lot :P |
| 13:37.27 | kaluva | jpinx-eeepc: top tells me "You killed all the processes called scim-whatever". Then it tells me "Oh, they are here again." |
| 13:37.40 | Ikarus | bolt: sadly those tools are far from perfect :( |
| 13:37.51 | jpinx-eeepc | bolt: that's what I'd like to do - get the XP off the first SDD and into a vm |
| 13:38.23 | jpinx-eeepc | kaluva: look at what else is popping up cpu usage or something at the same time |
| 13:38.49 | jpinx-eeepc | kaluva: does dmesg tell you anything? |
| 13:39.05 | bolt | Ikarus: yeah. i've seen them fail miserably. especially if the install is on some non-standard hardware. but they worked on mine :) |
| 13:39.17 | jpinx-eeepc | kaluva: did you check your syslog ? |
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| 13:40.44 | bolt | also, it's kinda fun to show people... "oh, you sent a word document? let me just open word here..." *clicks the menu item in linux, ms word loading screen appears* |
| 13:41.04 | bolt | can't see it's running over remote desktop at all |
| 13:41.06 | abrotman | bolt: technically, you could do that in wine |
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| 13:41.15 | bolt | abrotman: when wine didn't crash it, yes :) |
| 13:41.23 | abrotman | perhaps |
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| 13:41.47 | bolt | office xp used to work for me in wine, but office 2007 is a no-go |
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| 13:48.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | bolt, ah... kvm... hadn't recognized that as a specific software |
| 13:48.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's quemu-kvm |
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| 13:50.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | bolt, oh, it's still office 2003, so perhaps I should go with wine |
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| 13:51.02 | jelly | still uses crossover office for word and excel 2003, but not for outlook |
| 13:51.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | out...rage |
| 13:51.21 | kaluva | jpinx-eeepc: D'oh. It seems it was pidgin that kept restarting scim. |
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| 13:52.47 | jhutchins_lt | CutMeOwnThroat: Um, doesn't open office handle 2003 stuff just fine? |
| 13:53.05 | abrotman | there are certain things that cause it to ont work well |
| 13:55.21 | bolt | CutMeOwnThroat: qemu-kvm in squeeze, yes. |
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| 13:55.48 | bolt | CutMeOwnThroat: qemu for windows, kvm for linux. kvm linux boxes boot in like 10 seconds. in vmware they used to take up to a minute :) |
| 13:55.56 | bolt | loves kvm |
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| 13:59.03 | riot | hi |
| 13:59.18 | riot | how can i find out the names of running x.org-displays? |
| 14:00.09 | kaluva | Okay, next problem: I want to use Capslock as a modifier, like Ctrl or Alt. I use xkboption="caps:hyper", and xev tells me that is working. But if I want to use the combo Hyper+Space as a hotkey for scim, it doesn't work. I just get a normal space. |
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| 14:05.42 | HackeMate | hello |
| 14:06.05 | HackeMate | I want to reinstall debian, but I won't to be in stable, it means old software, and I feel testing as too unstable |
| 14:06.14 | HackeMate | is there a way to stay in half stable and testing? |
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| 14:06.26 | abrotman | stable with backports |
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| 14:06.37 | abrotman | tohugh squeeze is pretty stable at this point |
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| 14:08.03 | HackeMate | sometime squeeze will be stable version, so I will have the same issue |
| 14:08.10 | HackeMate | I'm reading about backports now, thanks |
| 14:08.37 | abrotman | huh? |
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| 14:08.46 | abrotman | wonders if that makes sense to anyone else |
| 14:09.01 | deniss09 | вÑем пÑÐ¸Ð²ÐµÑ Ð½Ð°ÑÑиÑе как ÑÑÑановиÑÑ Debian ÑеÑез netinstall? |
| 14:09.03 | HackeMate | sorry for my english |
| 14:09.10 | kaneda^ | hey all, i'm having a grub issue: instead of giving me a menu i get the opening line to the grub command line, only i don't get a prompt, it just hangs indefinitely until the machine reboots |
| 14:09.19 | abrotman | deniss09: english |
| 14:09.20 | dkr | !ru |
| 14:09.21 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. or use English here. |
| 14:09.23 | kaneda^ | any ideas what could be causing this? or perhaps how i can get my prompt back? |
| 14:09.58 | deniss09 | where russian? |
| 14:10.11 | kaluva | deniss09: #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
| 14:10.42 | deniss09 | thanks |
| 14:10.49 | kaneda^ | oh there's a grub channel, my bad |
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| 14:11.00 | jhutchins_lt | kaneda^: Which release are you running? |
| 14:11.25 | kaneda^ | 1.97beta3 |
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| 14:12.26 | kaneda^ | i have an alternate method of loading the kernel/initrd through PXE, which is what i've been doing in the meantime |
| 14:12.26 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions grub |
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| 14:12.28 | judd | Package grub on i386 -- etch: 0.97-27etch1; lenny: 0.97-47lenny2; sid: 0.97-63; squeeze: 0.97-63 |
| 14:12.51 | kaneda^ | should be from squeeze as i'm using backports grub, but it's really grub-efi for amd64 |
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| 14:13.11 | jhutchins_lt | kaneda^: You realize that answers that apply to Debian have an excellent chance of permanently breaking Ubuntu, not just wasting everybody's time. |
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| 14:13.27 | kaneda^ | jhutchins_lt? |
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| 14:13.38 | bolt | i seem to remember earlier versions of debian (using squeeze now) would ask who should get root's mail, and set /etc/aliases accordingly. now it doesn't. which package does this? something's adding "root: bolt" to /etc/aliases |
| 14:13.44 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions grub2 |
| 14:13.46 | judd | Package grub2 on i386 -- etch-backports: 1.96+20080626-1~bpo40+2; lenny: 1.96+20080724-16; lenny-backports: 1.97~beta3-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.98+20100804-4; sid: 1.98+20100804-5 |
| 14:14.01 | kaneda^ | that's right, grub2, 1.97beta3 from backports |
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| 14:14.49 | jhutchins_lt | lilo is more mature and capable of handling the filesystems that grub legacy does not. |
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| 14:15.16 | luckz | how do I use bash/sh to run two commands at the same time? |
| 14:15.18 | kaneda^ | hmm, well it begins to load grub and then stops at the message for the command line |
| 14:15.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins_lt, it opens it fine... but a) it doesn't display it fine and b) there's no better way to alienate people than to wreck the formatting in their word documents when you sent them back to them (I already did, so I know it's effective)... |
| 14:15.25 | sedulous | How can I tell wpa_supplicant to prefer certain access points, or alternatively 802.11n over b/g? |
| 14:16.33 | jhutchins_lt | CutMeOwnThroat: That's an inherent feature of Word - even opening a word document with the same version of word can re-format it, even if you have the same printer selected as your default. |
| 14:17.25 | valdyn | even microsoft sais this |
| 14:17.25 | robokop | luckz: cmd1 & cmd2; |
| 14:17.34 | luckz | so && is after and & is simultaneous, robokop? |
| 14:17.52 | abrotman | not quite |
| 14:18.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins_lt, that may as be... but it's better if the blame doesn't attach to OO and you can say "I did everything to prevent that" |
| 14:18.04 | robokop | && will run cmd2 only if cmd1 ran succesfully |
| 14:18.15 | abrotman | && means to run if the one on the left completes successfully .. the & means to run the first int he background |
| 14:18.27 | kaluva | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:18.28 | robokop | or better said if the cmd1 returns 0 |
| 14:18.47 | kaneda^ | jhutchins_lt, i'm going to boot the machine using PXE and i'll be able to show you my grub.cfg and whatnot |
| 14:18.48 | kaneda^ | brb |
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| 14:20.34 | luckz | and what if I want to run 10, I just keep enqueueing it? |
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| 14:20.43 | luckz | is there a way to do that in a sh script without having all on one line? |
| 14:20.49 | luckz | is there a way to run them all at once and get output from all? |
| 14:21.14 | valdyn | luckz: && is not "after" |
| 14:21.30 | valdyn | luckz: ; is "after" |
| 14:21.56 | valdyn | luckz: && is "only if prior statement succeeded" |
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| 14:23.00 | luckz | for example I want to run 16 tasks somewhat in parallel, and once all 16 are through I have two others that also can be done in parallel... |
| 14:23.21 | luckz | now since I only can occupy 4/8 cores at a time anyway, I guess blocks of four would make sense |
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| 14:24.52 | valdyn | !semaphore |
| 14:24.54 | valdyn | oo |
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| 14:28.45 | mjmt | luckz: Assuming you're running zero processes beforehand and no others during, sure. |
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| 14:30.12 | robokop | for i in $(seq 1 10);do sleep 10 & done; while test $(jobs | wc -l) -gt 0; do sleep 1; done; echo foo |
| 14:30.16 | kaneda^ | jhutchins_lt, ok, i'm back and my machine is booted into lenny running kernel 2.6.32 |
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| 14:30.54 | luckz | that looks complicated |
| 14:31.13 | RichiH | how do i find out which CPU cores are real and which are hyperthreaded? |
| 14:31.19 | jhutchins_lt | kaneda^: Searching on just your version number yeilds a lot of reports of problems with that version on Ubuntu. |
| 14:31.28 | jhutchins_lt | kaneda^: Why are you running grub2 anyway? |
| 14:31.37 | kaneda^ | jhutchins_lt, it's DEBIAN lenny, i've said that |
| 14:31.40 | valdyn | RichiH: how are you referring to one core? |
| 14:31.42 | kaneda^ | not Ubuntu |
| 14:31.44 | jhutchins_lt | Yes. |
| 14:32.06 | RichiH | valdyn: /proc/cpuinfo calls them 0-7, so that's how i do it, too |
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| 14:32.20 | abrotman | RichiH: you should actually turn off HT |
| 14:32.20 | kaneda^ | jhutchins_lt, UEFI is why i'm using grub2 |
| 14:32.21 | jhutchins_lt | kaneda^: The way you typed the version number initially matches the version number in Ubuntu, so that's what comes up on google. |
| 14:32.29 | RichiH | abrotman: how? :) |
| 14:32.30 | jhutchins_lt | kaneda^: In any case, those reports may be of help. |
| 14:32.31 | valdyn | RichiH: cpuinfo does not only give you that id |
| 14:32.38 | kaneda^ | jhutchins_lt, they haven't been so far |
| 14:32.40 | luckz | RichiH: it doesn't even work like that sadly, as far as I understand modern HT |
| 14:32.49 | jhutchins_lt | kaneda^: The only solution I know if is the one I mentioned before, use lilo. |
| 14:32.53 | abrotman | RichiH: bios |
| 14:32.54 | RichiH | http://paste.debian.net/97346/ |
| 14:32.56 | luckz | RichiH: there are two virtual cores for every real core, so you can't "see" the real ones, you just see 8 virtual ones |
| 14:33.02 | jhutchins_lt | kaneda^: This is not to say it's the only solution, it's just the only one I know. |
| 14:33.28 | abrotman | RichiH: in most cases, HT actually harms performance |
| 14:33.32 | kaneda^ | jhutchins_lt, i'm moving in that direction |
| 14:33.37 | valdyn | RichiH: "physical id" |
| 14:33.39 | RichiH | luckz: yah, that's no use. i need to bind IRQs to cores and i need the ones with the most performance |
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| 14:33.52 | RichiH | physical id is 0 for all cores |
| 14:34.05 | RichiH | i assume they mean "socket" |
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| 14:34.31 | valdyn | RichiH: physical id is the chip, below that is the core id |
| 14:35.03 | valdyn | RichiH: 2 matching core ids should be one core running ht |
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| 14:36.32 | RichiH | valdyn: yes. but which is which? |
| 14:36.37 | valdyn | RichiH: uh? |
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| 14:36.55 | valdyn | RichiH: both are equivalent virtual cores running on one physical core |
| 14:37.00 | abrotman | RichiH: with HT, it really doesn't matter |
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| 14:37.20 | valdyn | RichiH: ht creates two virtual cores from one physical core |
| 14:37.22 | abrotman | RichiH: the actual core will give more time to the virtual core that is doing more work |
| 14:37.31 | valdyn | RichiH: it does not add a virtual core to a physical core |
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| 14:38.25 | valdyn | but this all doesnt matter, only performance does... HT is just market speak |
| 14:38.37 | djszapi | is the gpg's fingerprint output from a public pgp key something like that stored in the /var/lib/apt/lists/*Packages file ? |
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| 14:38.59 | blackshirt | i don't think so |
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| 14:40.07 | RichiH | abrotman, valdyn: ahh, ok |
| 14:40.18 | RichiH | so all i need to do is to not use the same id |
| 14:40.21 | RichiH | purrfect |
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| 14:40.34 | valdyn | RichiH: or switch ht off in the bios if thats possible |
| 14:40.42 | RichiH | i'll look at it, yes |
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| 14:41.02 | valdyn | RichiH: linux supports ht, it should distribute tasks properly |
| 14:41.03 | drasko | How to change current version of gcc ? There was some tool, gcc-config or something ? |
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| 14:41.49 | valdyn | drasko: why would you do this? |
| 14:42.06 | valdyn | drasko: is settings environment for make not good enough? |
| 14:42.17 | drasko | valdyn, to try copiling binutils with different gcc |
| 14:42.26 | drasko | lower the version |
| 14:42.28 | valdyn | drasko: CC=gcc-4.5 make |
| 14:42.48 | drasko | Hmm... |
| 14:42.50 | valdyn | drasko: or probably CC=gcc-4.5 ./configure |
| 14:42.52 | cantido | valdyn: I think he probably needs to configure gcc with that version.. |
| 14:42.54 | drasko | yes |
| 14:43.01 | l0wkey | I heve problem with debian stable installed on md0 + LVM device .. with default kernel boot works .. but then I upgrade kernel to 2.6.32 everything fails, LVM devies are found but I guess are not mounted as / (root) ? What can be done? It must be smtg with udev ? |
| 14:43.05 | valdyn | drasko: so install your version and use what i said.. |
| 14:43.07 | drasko | cantido, no |
| 14:43.13 | drasko | no |
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| 14:43.26 | cantido | drasko: I mean configure bintutils |
| 14:43.28 | drasko | I need to use gcc3.4 for compilation of binutils |
| 14:43.30 | cantido | binutils |
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| 14:43.36 | valdyn | drasko: so? |
| 14:43.46 | abrotman | drasko: why are you compiling binutils |
| 14:43.46 | abrotman | ? |
| 14:44.09 | drasko | abrotman, I am compiling lm32 cross toolchain |
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| 14:44.19 | abrotman | runs away |
| 14:44.31 | valdyn | judd: versions gcc-3-4 |
| 14:44.32 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'gcc-3-4' was found in i386. |
| 14:44.34 | valdyn | judd: versions gcc-3.4 |
| 14:44.34 | cantido | drasko: so you need to give it a gcc for a different target? |
| 14:44.35 | judd | Package gcc-3.4 on i386 -- etch: 3.4.6-5; lenny: 3.4.6-9 |
| 14:44.56 | drasko | cantido, nope |
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| 14:45.12 | drasko | cantido, and yes |
| 14:45.19 | cantido | drasko: um... so why do you need to build binutils with a different compiler? |
| 14:45.20 | drasko | have to compile it for different target |
| 14:45.26 | drasko | yes |
| 14:45.32 | drasko | but with x86 gcc |
| 14:45.37 | cantido | I've been all sorts of cross compilers with debians gcc |
| 14:46.05 | cantido | I have h8, sh and arm toolchains built with debians gcc |
| 14:46.20 | drasko | cantido, that is what I want to do |
| 14:46.34 | drasko | just that it fails with gcc4.1 |
| 14:46.42 | drasko | so I wanted to try gcc3.4 |
| 14:46.44 | cantido | drasko: what is the error? |
| 14:46.55 | drasko | lm32-asm.c: In function 'parse_imm': |
| 14:46.55 | drasko | lm32-asm.c:74: error: pointer targets in passing argument 4 of 'cgen_parse_signed_integer' differ in signedness |
| 14:47.05 | cantido | drasko: latest binutils? |
| 14:47.08 | drasko | nope |
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| 14:47.30 | cantido | target has been dropped? |
| 14:47.33 | drasko | the official Lattice Mico32 binutils |
| 14:47.39 | drasko | from the website |
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| 14:48.45 | cantido | drasko: mmm try setting the CC envvar or look at the options the configure script has |
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| 14:50.03 | cantido | mico32-elf is apparently supported by gcc though, so I don't see why it wouldn't be a valid binutils target |
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| 14:52.45 | cantido | knows from experience that vendor hacked up bitutils, gcc, newlib toolchains are shit |
| 14:53.24 | kaneda^ | OK, i'm fed up with grub, trying elilo |
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| 14:55.53 | cantido | kaneda^: on a real efi machine or a broken efi mac? |
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| 14:57.05 | kaneda^ | real EFI machine |
| 14:57.56 | cantido | ah ok, the grub efi does work (booting wise) if you can ever get the bloody thing to run |
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| 14:58.04 | drasko | cantido, CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.4 ./configure --target=$TARGET --prefix=$PREFIX did the trick |
| 14:58.08 | drasko | thanks |
| 14:58.41 | kaneda^ | cantido, i got it to run, but it hangs while loading a grub command-line, never hits the menu, and teh command-line, the few times i've got a prompt, doesn't appear to work correctly |
| 14:59.26 | cantido | drasko: if you're going to build gcc after that.. you just need to add it to your path for newlib or similar's configure script to find the right compiler |
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| 15:00.17 | drasko | cantido, yeap |
| 15:00.33 | jozo | hi all, is there a way how can i display unknown files for dpkg in directories /usr, var... etc... |
| 15:00.35 | cantido | drasko: you should add $PREFIX to your path before you build gcc so that it gets the right binutils stuff |
| 15:01.12 | drasko | cantido, yes, I did this |
| 15:01.19 | cantido | drasko: and.. if you can't get the latest version of gcc to build, building an earlier version and build your C lib with that and then building the version of gcc you want helps |
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| 15:05.53 | valdyn | jozo: apt-cache show cruft |
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| 15:12.52 | ttiicc | Im using iceweasle which is the browser you would run on debian if you were a firefox fan, wonder if it's able to use firefox plugin as firebug and so on? and where to install them? |
| 15:13.20 | valdyn | ttiicc: many plugins are packaged |
| 15:13.24 | abrotman | ttiicc: did you 'apt-cache search firebug' |
| 15:13.33 | valdyn | ttiicc: the installation would be the same as for firefox |
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| 15:14.33 | lelu | hey. im trying to copy directories however the cp command is missing .htcaccess files |
| 15:14.37 | valdyn | ttiicc: so ~/.mozilla/firefox/plugins/ I suppose |
| 15:14.50 | valdyn | lelu: man cp |
| 15:14.56 | lelu | valdyn: already done |
| 15:15.05 | lelu | i wouldnt be here if i hadnt already looked |
| 15:15.24 | valdyn | lelu: what is your cp command? |
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| 15:15.44 | lelu | cp -pR directory1/* directory2 |
| 15:15.58 | valdyn | lelu: thats bash globbing, not cp that is not doing what you want |
| 15:16.07 | bolt | lelu: the * is not including dotfiles |
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| 15:16.22 | AlexC_ | morning |
| 15:16.36 | valdyn | lelu: cp -pR directory1/* directory1/.* directory2 |
| 15:16.46 | bolt | lelo: bet you any dotfiles in subdirs of directory1 would be copied :P |
| 15:16.47 | kaneda^ | ok, elilo is just cycling the machine after the elilo prompt :| |
| 15:17.01 | valdyn | lelu: or maybe you really want "cp -pR directory1 directory2" |
| 15:17.08 | jhutchins_lt | ttiicc: The only difference between iceweasel and firefox is that the text string "firefox" has been replaced in some locations by the text string "iceweasel". Not even in all locations. |
| 15:17.30 | lelu | valdyn: thanks, so it was the * which was causing the problems? |
| 15:17.38 | AlexC_ | I am using openssh-server and want to disable password authentication for users in the group 'adm' and where the host/address does not equal '77.xx.xx.xx'. I'm doing: Match Group adm Host !77.xx.xx.xx however it still allows password authentication (yes there is the `PasswordAuthentication no` below it) |
| 15:17.40 | valdyn | lelu: yes |
| 15:17.53 | bolt | lelo: for i in directory1/*; do echo "$i"; done |
| 15:17.58 | bolt | lelo: see what bash lists out for you |
| 15:18.01 | RichiH | valdyn: it should, but i need to bind a few irqs to specific cores |
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| 15:18.39 | valdyn | bolt: "echo directory/*" is shorter and more accurate |
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| 15:19.11 | bolt | valdyn: this is true :) |
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| 15:21.51 | lelu | cp cake/httpdocs/.* client603/httpdocs -pR appears to have worked with the following notice cp: will not create hard link... should this matter? |
| 15:22.52 | mjmt | valdyn: Not if you use quotes. |
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| 15:23.08 | valdyn | mjmt: hmm? |
| 15:23.35 | mjmt | N/m, thought that said echo "/directory/*" |
| 15:24.09 | bolt | lelu: are you copying between two different mounts? |
| 15:24.26 | bolt | lelu: you can't make hard links between file systems |
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| 15:37.16 | lelu | bolt: nope. just between two directories on the same mount |
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| 15:40.03 | lelu | ahh but it is a mounted sans array |
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| 15:46.04 | xalex84 | hello all |
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| 15:46.45 | xalex84 | i have a problem to find system hw information on my server |
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| 15:47.01 | xalex84 | the command dmidecode |
| 15:47.26 | xalex84 | have this output information |
| 15:47.33 | xalex84 | Base Board Information |
| 15:47.33 | xalex84 | Manufacturer: To be filled by O.E.M. |
| 15:47.33 | xalex84 | Product Name: To be filled by O.E.M. |
| 15:48.34 | abrotman | why are you telling us? tell your OEM |
| 15:48.43 | xalex84 | thanks... |
| 15:48.49 | abrotman | what do you want us to do? |
| 15:48.52 | abrotman | or what do you want to know? |
| 15:49.38 | xalex84 | is there another way to know system board information? |
| 15:49.59 | abrotman | open it and look? |
| 15:49.59 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 15:49.59 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw, or even dmesg to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! If you install lshw, run "lshw -html > myhardware.html" as root and you'll have a nice HTML summation. See also <myram>, <driver locator>. |
| 15:50.01 | xalex84 | cause the server is remote |
| 15:50.09 | abrotman | what do you want to know about it ? |
| 15:50.16 | xalex84 | the product name |
| 15:50.21 | xalex84 | only |
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| 15:51.00 | bln | is there anybdy? |
| 15:51.04 | abrotman | yes |
| 15:51.14 | bln | thank you it was for a test |
| 15:51.24 | abrotman | xalex84: so see the commands the bot spit out above .. hwinfo and lshw might be useful |
| 15:51.46 | xalex84 | thanks abrotman |
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| 15:59.31 | jozo | valdyn: thanx |
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| 16:10.52 | drasko | cantido, do you have any ideas about this : |
| 16:10.54 | drasko | checking whether byte ordering is bigendian... cross-compiling... |
| 16:10.54 | drasko | unknown |
| 16:10.54 | drasko | checking to probe for byte ordering... /home/ddraskovic/lm32-elf/lm32-elf/bin/ld: cannot open linker script file ram.ld: No such file or directory |
| 16:10.54 | drasko | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 16:10.56 | drasko | unknown |
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| 16:17.22 | emaia | hello |
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| 16:18.19 | emaia | could anyone help me to configure sftp on openssh? I need a chroot |
| 16:18.20 | emaia | thanks |
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| 16:19.08 | llutz | emaia: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/590 |
| 16:21.28 | emaia | llutz: i already saw it, but i get the error: /etc/ssh/sshd_config: line 79: Bad configuration option: ChrootDirectory |
| 16:21.38 | emaia | llutz: i have Debian ETCH |
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| 16:24.52 | llutz | emaia: get a newer openssh-server version or update your system to something less ancient |
| 16:28.44 | abrotman | emaia: you should not be using etch, it has known security issues and is no longer supported |
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| 16:30.56 | simonrvn | emaia: upgrade to something supported first |
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| 16:31.54 | simonrvn | !topicsmite emaia |
| 16:31.54 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon emaia. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 16:33.04 | neilthereildeil | hey where can i go to get help with debian-live usb distro? |
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| 16:34.02 | abrotman | neilthereildeil: #debian-live on irc.oftc.net probably |
| 16:34.24 | neilthereildeil | ok |
| 16:34.49 | neilthereildeil | so i would be /server irc.oftc.net followed by /join #debian-live? |
| 16:35.42 | simonrvn | if you want to keep here too, add some options to that command |
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| 16:37.01 | neilthereildeil | abrotman: how can i go to that channel? |
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| 16:43.59 | abrotman | neilthereildeil: /server irc.oftc.net ... once it connects, /join #debian-live |
| 16:44.18 | JasonWoof | what's a program that I can pass an ogg file on the commandline, and it'll let me edit the metadata tags (title, genre and so on) |
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| 16:45.15 | simonrvn | easytag works, there's an explicitly ogg-oriented tool too, but the name escapes me (apt-cache search ogg tag) |
| 16:45.28 | JasonWoof | easytag doesn't do it |
| 16:45.31 | elenril | vorbiscomment |
| 16:45.47 | JasonWoof | I passed a filename and it started searching all files (recursively) in my home directory |
| 16:45.57 | elenril | it's a part of vorbis-tools |
| 16:46.09 | JasonWoof | tagtool only takes directory names on the commandline |
| 16:46.11 | SlayerXP | jas4711: http://tinyurl.com/365ep4w |
| 16:46.17 | simonrvn | yeh, that's how it works. |
| 16:46.18 | JasonWoof | poe.app seems to ignore commandline arguments completely |
| 16:46.22 | SlayerXP | JasonWoof even |
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| 16:47.12 | JasonWoof | I'm not having trouble finding tag editors. I'm having trouble finding one that takes file(s) as commandline arguments |
| 16:47.22 | simonrvn | elenril: that's what i was thinking |
| 16:48.58 | themill | bad SlayerXP |
| 16:49.08 | dutchfish | hi, after updating udev/squeeze/x86_64 to latest, hotplug-dispatcher echo's on commandline something simular: can not find acl_end, no such directive. I can not find it in any log, how to debug? |
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| 16:49.11 | atmosx | hello |
| 16:49.18 | atmosx | anyone ever installed debian on a bifferboard? |
| 16:50.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | I like the way how SlayerXP got the nick wrong on wise-assing, though :) |
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| 16:53.10 | simonrvn | JasonWoof: yes, it exists. since you haven't mentioned your criteria, we can't help. if you aren't satisfied, then use the one that fits closest. |
| 16:53.49 | dutchfish | JasonWoof: tagtool, id3tool |
| 16:54.01 | abrotman | or show him how to search on his own |
| 16:54.31 | dutchfish | JasonWoof: packagesearch, aptitude search, apt-file search |
| 16:54.42 | JasonWoof | simonrvn: my criteria are 1) it allows me to edit tags 2) it takes file name(s) as commandline argument. That's it |
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| 16:55.04 | JasonWoof | tagtool does not take file name as commandline arg. I'll try id3tool |
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| 16:55.55 | JasonWoof | oh, and it must support ogg vorbis files |
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| 16:56.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you ignored the mention of vorbiscomment |
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| 16:56.57 | JasonWoof | vorbiscomment is not an editor |
| 16:57.20 | b14ck | Hi all. Can someone tell me (or point me to relevant docs) that explain how to change the order of startup services? I'm running a program for work using init.d (typical debian stuff), but it depends on being able to connect to MySQL. At the moment, MySQL is starting AFTER my process, which causes it to fail. Is there a way I can force my process to be the last loaded by init.d? |
| 16:57.36 | dutchfish | JasonWoof: well, i dont do it exactly on commandline but i script it with kid3 |
| 16:58.13 | JasonWoof | all I want to do on the commandline is pass the file name. Then I want a box I can type the title into, and one for album, etc |
| 16:58.18 | Ikarus | b14ck: write a proper init.d script (including dependency based loading), uh, hrm, where is it on the wiki |
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| 16:58.29 | JoshH | b14ck: i think the symlinks to init scripts in /etc/rc2.d are ran in order of the number after the S |
| 16:58.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | b14ck, that's what the numbers in the softlinks in /etc/init.d/rc.2.d are for.... |
| 16:58.42 | themill | dpkg: tell b14ck about missing lsb tags |
| 16:58.58 | b14ck | The service isn't one I wrote, but I'd be happy to edit it or whatever. |
| 16:58.59 | Ikarus | JoshH: fixed order is outdated, dependency based is a more flexible |
| 16:59.02 | Ikarus | solution |
| 16:59.14 | b14ck | I'm not sure if it supports any fancy new stuff for dependency based stuff. |
| 16:59.16 | b14ck | =/ |
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| 16:59.22 | JoshH | Ikarus: not familiar with that, but sounds interesting |
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| 16:59.34 | b14ck | If I paste in my init.d script to a pastebin would you be able to see if it needs a lot of work or just a minor fi? |
| 16:59.43 | JoshH | been a long time since i had to give a shit about the order |
| 16:59.59 | simonrvn | b14ck: add some lsb headers to the init script |
| 17:00.01 | b14ck | http://pastie.org/1235881 |
| 17:00.03 | Ikarus | b14ck: the service doesn't need support for it, you just need to alter the init.d script for it |
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| 17:00.34 | simonrvn | then insserv will re-order it |
| 17:00.43 | b14ck | simonrvn, hrm, let me google that |
| 17:00.57 | themill | b14ck: are we talking lenny or squeeze here? |
| 17:01.07 | b14ck | I'm using latest. |
| 17:01.16 | abrotman | latest what? |
| 17:01.17 | simonrvn | latest what? |
| 17:01.22 | abrotman | b14ck: what is 'uname -r' ? |
| 17:01.23 | b14ck | The development version of debian. |
| 17:01.43 | abrotman | !lsb tags |
| 17:01.43 | dpkg | From squeeze onwards, Debian is using a dependency-based boot sequence (see /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.Debian). This requires that all init scripts have appropriate headers in them so that the correct order of execution can be determined. Scripts like S25libdevmapper1.02 are left over from Sarge and can be deleted; your own scripts will need LSB headers added: http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts |
| 17:01.56 | themill | b14ck: the latest, as far as most are concerned is the stable version... that being the "product" that's out the door. |
| 17:01.57 | b14ck | alright,t hanks |
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| 17:02.05 | b14ck | Let me read through that wiki page. |
| 17:02.09 | themill | abrotman: keep up! [17:58] <themill> dpkg: tell b14ck about missing lsb tags |
| 17:02.16 | abrotman | whoops |
| 17:02.17 | abrotman | i'm old |
| 17:02.31 | themill | ;) |
| 17:02.49 | simonrvn | ya old fart ;p |
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| 17:09.27 | dutchfish | JasonWoof: easytag |
| 17:09.43 | mbruins | hello, i just did a full install of debian lenny, i really love it but dont have wireless connection at this moment. could anyone of you point out where to start the problem solving, i googled but there a so many pages a dates |
| 17:10.24 | abrotman | dutchfish: seriously .. did you even try to read the scrollback ? |
| 17:10.33 | xuser | mbruins: do you know what wireless card is it? |
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| 17:10.34 | abrotman | mbruins: which wifi card do you have? |
| 17:10.44 | dutchfish | abrotman: yes i did, but prolly mist something? |
| 17:10.56 | dutchfish | s/mist/missed |
| 17:11.08 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:11.35 | mbruins | xuser: no, im not sure, i have a dell inpiron 6400 |
| 17:11.42 | mbruins | i can google for the specs |
| 17:11.44 | mbruins | moment please |
| 17:11.49 | dutchfish | abrotman: i have just tested it in debian squeeze, and here it does .... |
| 17:12.00 | abrotman | says it doesn't |
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| 17:12.09 | abrotman | mbruins: lspci -nn .. look there |
| 17:12.37 | mbruins | 0b:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN [14e4:4311] (rev 01) |
| 17:12.40 | JasonWoof | dutchfish: you passed a filename to easytag on the commandline and it worked? |
| 17:12.42 | mbruins | i think that is the one |
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| 17:12.46 | mbruins | abrotman: thanks |
| 17:13.01 | abrotman | judd: pciid 14e4:4311 |
| 17:13.02 | judd | [14e4:4311] is 'BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'ssb' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4311 http://wiki.debian.org/wl and the out-of-tree 'wl' module. |
| 17:13.12 | JasonWoof | dutchfish: for me (on unstable) it started searching through all my files |
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| 17:13.36 | mbruins | abrotman: any suggestion on where i should go from here? |
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| 17:13.50 | JasonWoof | oh well, guess I'll script something with vorbiscomment |
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| 17:16.57 | abrotman | mbruins: the bot spit out a URL |
| 17:17.16 | abrotman | mbruins: http://wiki.debian.org/wl#Lenny |
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| 17:19.32 | MichealH | Hello slingshot316 |
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| 17:19.49 | MichealH | You were having trouble with a package? |
| 17:19.49 | slingshot316 | MichealH: hi mechealh |
| 17:20.17 | slingshot316 | MichealH : yea , you want to see my source.list file? |
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| 17:20.22 | dutchfish | abrotman: JasonWoof i mixed up commandline args with id3tool, abrotman you where right. |
| 17:20.41 | MichealH | slingshot316: Just post it here someone will see :) |
| 17:20.49 | MichealH | slingshot316: Use pastebin though |
| 17:21.08 | slingshot316 | this is my etc/apt/sources.list ffile http://pastebin.com/sdqsPntq |
| 17:21.19 | slingshot316 | m not able to install anythin |
| 17:21.26 | abrotman | you don't have a main source |
| 17:21.30 | abrotman | where are you geographically? |
| 17:21.37 | MichealH | Yup |
| 17:21.40 | slingshot316 | MichealH:yea , i used pastebin |
| 17:21.55 | abrotman | where are you geographically? |
| 17:22.05 | MichealH | slingshot316: What country you in? |
| 17:22.17 | slingshot316 | MichealH: I'm in India |
| 17:22.28 | MichealH | abrotman: ^^ |
| 17:22.36 | abrotman | MichealH: thanks .. i can read .. you don't have to repeat for me |
| 17:22.48 | MichealH | Okay abrotman |
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| 17:23.17 | abrotman | slingshot316: add "deb http://mirror.cse.iitk.ac.in/debian/ lenny main" to your /etc/apt/sources.list .. then aptitude update .. then install what you want |
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| 17:23.37 | slingshot316 | abrotman: thank you so much |
| 17:23.38 | xuser | mbruins: upgrade to squeeze and install the firmware-brcm80211 package |
| 17:23.45 | slingshot316 | abrotmanlet me try |
| 17:23.45 | abrotman | xuser: he doesn't have to |
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| 17:24.17 | MichealH | slingshot316: You can use your TAB key to autocomplete nicknames |
| 17:24.34 | MichealH | Usually it will also add a ':' to the end |
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| 17:25.07 | jhutchins_lt | xuser: Why upgrade to squeeze? |
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| 17:25.16 | jhutchins_lt | xuser: squeeze is an experiment, not an upgrade. |
| 17:26.07 | jhutchins_lt | xuser: There are very few circumstances where squeeze will work when lenny won't, and it's not a good idea for new users to be trying to figure out both debian and squeeze. |
| 17:26.30 | jhutchins_lt | xuser: Once you've learned to fix the problem in lenny, you're ready to try testing squeeze. |
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| 17:26.55 | xuser | just giving him the option :D |
| 17:27.00 | slingshot316 | abrotman: now should i do apt-get install or aptitude install ? |
| 17:27.16 | somiaj | surprised the package isn't in lenny -- but packages.debian.org is down so I can't check since i'm on sid |
| 17:27.25 | abrotman | slingshot316: aptitude .. i said that |
| 17:27.31 | smacnay | slingshot316, aptitude |
| 17:27.33 | xuser | squeeze is more stable than most of the stable release distros out there :) |
| 17:27.33 | slingshot316 | MichealH: hey thanks |
| 17:27.36 | smacnay | nm |
| 17:27.42 | abrotman | slingshot316: you probably want to do `aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade` before trying to install stuff |
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| 17:27.59 | slingshot316 | abrotman: okay m doin that now, thank you so much |
| 17:28.15 | somiaj | xuser: its still broken and in some cases can be more broken than sid -- though the days of testing or sid destroying machines aren't common I wouldn't trust it. |
| 17:28.15 | slingshot316 | abrotman: but i just got introduced to linux last week |
| 17:28.21 | slingshot316 | abrotman: so i really dont know much |
| 17:28.26 | abrotman | !docs |
| 17:28.26 | dpkg | Before asking, please read the documentation. Documentation isn't always easy to read, but that doesn't excuse you from (a) trying and (b) sending patches to improve the docs. If you don't do this, expect to be told to RTFM by impatient volunteers. Dick Brandon said that "Documentation is like sex: When it is good, it is very, very, good. And when it is bad, it is better than nothing." Ask me about <finding docs>, <manuals>. |
| 17:28.29 | abrotman | bleh |
| 17:28.30 | aidan | What package provides pdflatex? |
| 17:28.39 | abrotman | slingshot316: debian.org/doc |
| 17:28.45 | abrotman | !tell aidan about apt-file |
| 17:29.09 | xuser | somiaj: yeah, but it has been frozen, its unlikely to encounter disruptive changes |
| 17:29.26 | slingshot316 | abrotman: hey it worked , thank you so much |
| 17:29.39 | slingshot316 | abrotman: and are you from iit k ? |
| 17:29.58 | abrotman | India? no |
| 17:30.18 | slingshot316 | abrotman: i have another silly problem |
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| 17:30.47 | slingshot316 | abrotman: m not able to open my other ntfs drive so i installed ntfs-3g but m still not able to open the drive :( |
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| 17:31.16 | MichealH | slingshot316: Is it corrupt? |
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| 17:31.20 | abrotman | nope, i don't use ntfs thankfully |
| 17:31.25 | abrotman | erm .. ntfs-3g |
| 17:31.33 | slingshot316 | MichealH: you mean my drive? |
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| 17:31.42 | MichealH | slingshot316: It could be. |
| 17:31.57 | abrotman | errors are helpful |
| 17:32.11 | slingshot316 | MichealH: no its no corrupt |
| 17:32.47 | slingshot316 | abrotman: you gave an IIT mirror so i thought you are from here.. sorry :P |
| 17:32.52 | abrotman | slingshot316: if you're interested, there is a small #debian-in on irc.oftc.net |
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| 17:33.41 | slingshot316 | abrotman: yea i'll go tere |
| 17:33.50 | slingshot316 | abrotman: *there |
| 17:34.12 | slingshot316 | abrotman: i dont have my ntfs drive listed in my fstab file |
| 17:34.21 | slingshot316 | MichealH: i dont have my ntfs drive listed in my fstab file |
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| 17:36.02 | ldralves | hello |
| 17:36.08 | jhutchins_lt | slingshot316: It is generally not necessary to address a specific person when looking for help. |
| 17:36.39 | slingshot316 | jhutchins_lt: oh,thank you .. i dint know :) |
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| 17:36.45 | jhutchins_lt | slingshot316: As abrotman suggested, we can only help you if you tell us how you're trying to do something (mount the drive in this case) and what DOES happen specifically when you try. |
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| 17:37.15 | rhisa | Hi, is there a "why use Debian / switch to Debian" site please? |
| 17:37.16 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: "It doesn't work" is an example of negative information - doesn't give us anything to work with. |
| 17:37.27 | slingshot316 | jhutchins_lt: m trying to open the drive from the window manager and it says "nvalid mount option when attempting to mount the volume" |
| 17:37.29 | jhutchins_lt | !tell rhisa about why debian |
| 17:37.45 | rhisa | jhutchins, perfect, thank you. |
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| 17:38.10 | jhutchins_lt | slingshot316: Interesting, wonder where it's getting the "option". |
| 17:38.18 | ldralves | I'm with a problem, that my debian crashes, and on boot I give the message " give root password or press ctrl+D for startup" |
| 17:38.19 | jhutchins_lt | !ntfs |
| 17:38.19 | dpkg | [ntfs] Windows NT File System. There are 3 drivers in Debian: the read-only Linux kernel driver and <FUSE> drivers providing write support. For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>. For information about read/write access, ask me about <ntfsrw>. See also <ntfsclone>, <ntfsck>, <label>. FAQ: http://linux-ntfs.org/doku.php?id=ntfs-en . http://wiki.debian.org/NTFS http://linux-ntfs.org/ #ntfs on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 17:38.45 | jhutchins_lt | ldralves: So.... give it the root password. |
| 17:38.59 | slingshot316 | jhutchins_lt: my fstab file doesnt have my ntfs drive listed there |
| 17:39.02 | ldralves | but I don't have the root password |
| 17:39.07 | jhutchins_lt | ldralves: If you look a little harder you'll see it's complaining about a possibly corrupt disk. |
| 17:39.23 | slingshot316 | jhutchins_lt: somebody told me if i install ntfs-3g it will open |
| 17:39.24 | jhutchins_lt | ldralves: Contact the system's owner then. |
| 17:39.29 | ldralves | yes, but i neet change the password to do this |
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| 17:39.41 | ldralves | need* |
| 17:39.58 | jhutchins_lt | ldralves: Why? Is this your system or isn't it? |
| 17:40.06 | ldralves | sorry by my english, I'm learning |
| 17:40.23 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: why are you telling me? |
| 17:40.26 | ldralves | he was fired |
| 17:40.28 | jhutchins_lt | ldralves: You're doing ok. |
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| 17:40.41 | abrotman | !tell ldralves about ifrp |
| 17:40.54 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: Oops. |
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| 17:41.09 | rhisa | Hey there is an error with dpkg's message to me about "tell this person about Debian". |
| 17:41.15 | rhisa | "As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #deb" |
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| 17:41.19 | rhisa | You mean #debian right? |
| 17:41.52 | abrotman | yes, it got truncated |
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| 17:42.36 | ldralves | in grub, I edit the vmlinuz line adding 1 at the end, but it doesn't work |
| 17:42.48 | jhutchins_lt | !tell ldralves about forgot root password |
| 17:42.59 | rhisa | Fix it! :D Okay thanks anyway. |
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| 17:43.17 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: already did that |
| 17:43.19 | jhutchins_lt | ldralves: Sorry, duplicate info. |
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| 17:43.25 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: lag |
| 17:43.29 | abrotman | old man |
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| 17:43.51 | jhutchins_lt | goes looking for the geritol |
| 17:43.58 | jackweb | What to do if I would like to define HAVE_GTK in C++ source if I use ./configure && make && make install? |
| 17:44.18 | jhutchins_lt | slingshot316: So have you tried mounting it from the command line? |
| 17:44.21 | ldralves | how can I boot in init 1 level, editing line at grub |
| 17:44.30 | jhutchins_lt | slingshot316: You're probably using gnome, and I don't know how gnome handles ntfs. |
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| 17:44.55 | jhutchins_lt | ldralves: try what dpkg told you instead. |
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| 17:45.36 | jhutchins_lt | ldralves: Debian doesn't use runlevels the same way other systems do. You can try "single" for single-user mode but I think that requires the password anyway. |
| 17:45.40 | jackweb | when I compile it directly using g++, I can add -HAVE_GTK to g++ or something like this. |
| 17:45.44 | JasonWoof | If anybody else is looking for a quick ogg vorbis tag editor that you can pass a filename to, here's the script I whipped up: http://paste.debian.net/97360/ |
| 17:45.49 | jackweb | the problem is when I use make |
| 17:45.55 | JasonWoof | currently only takes one file |
| 17:46.00 | ldralves | So, what can i do? |
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| 17:46.14 | jhutchins_lt | ldralves: Try what dpkg told you. |
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| 17:47.33 | jhutchins_lt | ldralves: Do you see the query from dpkg? |
| 17:47.52 | slingshot316 | jhutchins_lt: i did mkdir /media/Data |
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| 17:47.56 | slingshot316 | jhutchins_lt: |
| 17:48.14 | slingshot316 | jhutchins_lt: sudo mount -t ntfs-3g -o rw /dev/sda1 /media/Data |
| 17:48.18 | slingshot316 | jhutchins_lt: and it worked :D |
| 17:48.25 | jhutchins_lt | slingshot316: Yay! |
| 17:48.38 | slingshot316 | jhutchins_lt: thanks for the help btw |
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| 17:49.12 | ldralves | yes, i'm trying now |
| 17:49.16 | ldralves | thanks |
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| 17:54.10 | kristian-aalborg | I did a "sudo apt-get install -f" and lost almost everything |
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| 17:57.03 | jhutchins_lt | kristian-aalborg: which release are you running? |
| 17:57.13 | kristian-aalborg | debian lenny |
| 17:57.20 | kristian-aalborg | I'm trying to get fluxbox on it |
| 17:58.11 | jhutchins_lt | kristian-aalborg: Strange that you're using sudo... So apt-get removed a bunch of stuff? |
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| 17:58.22 | kristian-aalborg | yes |
| 17:58.29 | kristian-aalborg | should I rather just su? |
| 17:58.56 | jhutchins_lt | kristian-aalborg: sudo's usually not set up on debian systems, that's all. Whatever works for you. |
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| 17:59.11 | jhutchins_lt | kristian-aalborg: I would guess you have some contradictory dependency problems. |
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| 17:59.32 | kristian-aalborg | yes |
| 17:59.32 | jhutchins_lt | kristian-aalborg: Aptitude may do a better job at resolving them, and will at least offer you alternatives before it removes stuff. |
| 17:59.46 | abrotman | sounds like a mixed system |
| 17:59.48 | jhutchins_lt | kristian-aalborg: I'd say just put back what you need. There might be tasks that would do most of it for you. |
| 18:00.12 | kristian-aalborg | it's not very mixed... I just got sudo because I'm used to it |
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| 18:00.46 | jhutchins_lt | kristian-aalborg: mixed is a bit like pregnant - you are or you aren't. |
| 18:00.48 | abrotman | very mixed? |
| 18:00.59 | abrotman | what did you mix into it? |
| 18:01.49 | eldowan | if sudo isn't used very much, or is weird to see being used, what is the recommended alternative? su ? su -c ? |
| 18:01.54 | kristian-aalborg | *not* very mixed |
| 18:02.04 | abrotman | kristian-aalborg: it is or it isn't .. what did oyu mix into it ? |
| 18:02.04 | kristian-aalborg | it's a base debian with sudo installed |
| 18:02.08 | abrotman | eldowan: just become root |
| 18:02.22 | abrotman | kristian-aalborg: put your /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin please (paste.debian.net) |
| 18:02.23 | eldowan | abrotman: thanks. |
| 18:02.31 | PsiKlops | Hi. I have a UMTS Stick (Germany...) and am looking for a possiblity to connect without having Superuser / Sudo / suuid / Privileges ? |
| 18:02.54 | abrotman | eldowan: not that there's anything wrong with using sudo ( as long as you understand the implications) ... or using su -c .. |
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| 18:04.19 | PsiKlops | or is there a documentation on how to set up a UMTS connection ? |
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| 18:05.24 | jhutchins_lt | I wonder if you took a sufficiently old version of ubuntu and put a debian sources.list on it then did a full-upgrade what would happen? |
| 18:05.28 | abrotman | are you in the ppp/dip groups ? |
| 18:05.39 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: we don't care, it's not supported |
| 18:06.45 | PsiKlops | abrotman: ppp/dip ... for me ? |
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| 18:10.51 | zkab | I have squeeze amd64 and during apt-get update & full-upgrade the system stalled, could not ctrlC so I forced-quit terminal window. After reboot I only got read-only FS and I can't get it back to normal - whatever i do - syslog looks strange (pastebin.com/jMuWe1rG) with complaints: task dpkg:3968 blocked for more than 120 seconds. Need some HELP ... don't have any system more |
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| 18:12.47 | jhutchins_lt | zkab: Boot to a rescue disk and fsck the filesystem. |
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| 18:15.01 | PsiKlops | abrotman: i have no ppp in /etc/group |
| 18:15.19 | abrotman | isn't that thing kind of like a modem? |
| 18:15.27 | zkab | jhutchins_lt: Booted with Debian Live CD and did fsck ... gave me that fs is clean |
| 18:15.35 | PsiKlops | abrotman: yes |
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| 18:17.13 | abrotman | sorry, dialout and dip |
| 18:17.19 | rozewskic | part |
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| 18:17.24 | SlayerXP | zkab: "mount -o remount,rw /" |
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| 18:17.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm also getting these process xxx blocked for more than 120seconds messages on one system... sounds like the disk in some way to me |
| 18:18.04 | PsiKlops | abrotman: i dialout is already set, i just add user to dip |
| 18:18.14 | rubin110 | Ok, I'm done with Apple. |
| 18:18.18 | rubin110 | To hell with this. |
| 18:18.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | take a pear next |
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| 18:19.25 | zkab | When I mount my system from debian live cd it looks ok ... but can't get fs-rw when I boot from disk |
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| 18:20.17 | rubin110 | Apple just spit out a shit netbook. |
| 18:20.49 | rubin110 | Screwe it. |
| 18:20.59 | rubin110 | Adobe products through Wine, done with Apple. |
| 18:21.16 | abrotman | just? /me looks to see if it's 2007 |
| 18:21.35 | rubin110 | abrotman: They jsut announced a 11.6" Macbook Air. |
| 18:21.50 | rubin110 | HAH. |
| 18:21.57 | rubin110 | $1000 for their 11.6" netbook. |
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| 18:22.58 | kristian-aalborg | abrotman: one sec, was on the phone |
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| 18:23.43 | helmut | hi. is there a way to force a specific compiler version when using dkms? aparently the script does unset CC, so that's not an option. |
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| 18:24.19 | [SkG] | rubin110 I cant consider it as a netbook since has more power than most of netbooks but... I dont like it (and I own a Mac BookPro late 2008) |
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| 18:24.53 | rubin110 | They have yet to show a picture of the 11.6" keyboard. |
| 18:25.11 | kristian-aalborg | abrotman: system crashed, one more sec ;) |
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| 18:25.45 | tacomaster | i was wondering i have ubuntu type disto and wanted to switch to debian is there a software to test to see if my hard drive can handle another formatting reason i ask is because this drive has been formatted like 4-5 times |
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| 18:26.45 | SlayerXP | tacomaster: i would like you to imagine that most people in the channel are now looking at you with a very puzzled expression on their faces. |
| 18:27.35 | tacomaster | SlayerXP: did i say something that was unclear? |
| 18:27.35 | kristian-aalborg | dammit, can't even pastebinit from this box |
| 18:27.51 | kristian-aalborg | system seems borked :( |
| 18:27.56 | SlayerXP | tacomaster: not unclear, just bizarre. |
| 18:29.15 | tacomaster | SlayerXP: sorry i asked such a strange question i can explain my reason behind it if you want :P |
| 18:29.27 | SlayerXP | tacomaster: please do. |
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| 18:31.13 | tacomaster | SlayerXP: ok well i would like to have some kind of idea if my hard drive will support another format because i dont want to format my hard drive again and it just give me input/ output errors ( just os wont write to disk) and have to wait a week or so to get another hard drive |
| 18:31.26 | abrotman | wtf .. only 4-5 times? |
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| 18:31.37 | abrotman | tacomaster: i have a 486 at home .. it's been formatted probably 100 times :) |
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| 18:32.02 | abrotman | tacomaster: if you're getting IO errors, the disk might be actually dying .. formatting has nothing to do with that |
| 18:32.10 | SlayerXP | tacomaster: there's no difference between formatting a disk and writing data to it |
| 18:32.19 | tacomaster | abrotman: i have had hard drives that after i formated like 5-6 times not just one hard drive eather |
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| 18:33.00 | tacomaster | SlayerXP: ok sorry for the dumb question then learned something new today :P |
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| 18:37.53 | elliott | Is there a way to search for packages with certain tags on http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages? |
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| 18:40.02 | hetOrakel | hi, how can i control the number of text-terminals started at init (can't find it in the man) |
| 18:40.31 | robokop | hetOrakel: /etc/inittab |
| 18:40.32 | stew | hetOrakel: man inittab |
| 18:41.08 | hetOrakel | ok, was reading wrong man page, thx! |
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| 18:41.56 | inc0 | hi, I have problem with newly installed debian |
| 18:42.03 | zkab | SlayerXP: it didn't help |
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| 18:42.08 | inc0 | I have graphic card Radeon 5775 |
| 18:42.17 | inc0 | and my Xorg isnt working |
| 18:42.25 | inc0 | log doesnt show any errors |
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| 18:42.36 | inc0 | but monitor is off on display |
| 18:43.04 | inc0 | just little window(made by monitor itself) pops up with "Hz" in it |
| 18:43.14 | abrotman | which debian? |
| 18:43.23 | inc0 | lenny |
| 18:44.07 | inc0 | debian-506-i386-amd64-source-DVD-1.iso this image |
| 18:44.10 | inc0 | to be exact |
| 18:44.14 | somiaj | sounds like its producing a resolution/mode in which your monintor cannot handel |
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| 18:44.58 | inc0 | I'd say refresh rate |
| 18:45.13 | inc0 | how can I force it in configs |
| 18:45.14 | inc0 | ?? |
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| 18:45.29 | somiaj | inc0: /msg dpkg configure xorg -- you may have to do a manual configuration since it doesn't seem to be detecting what your monintor can handel |
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| 18:46.19 | abrotman | he probably needs fglrx in lenny |
| 18:46.22 | bzed | !tell inc0 about fglrx |
| 18:46.29 | briann | same problem here with 4650 |
| 18:46.43 | bzed | !tell briann about fglrx |
| 18:46.45 | bzed | ;) |
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| 18:47.19 | briann | thanks ,will try that |
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| 18:51.42 | drasko | Hi all. GCC cross compilation complains about missing MPC. What debian packet to look for ? |
| 18:52.25 | somiaj | drasko: have you tried aptitude search gcc? |
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| 18:53.11 | drasko | somiaj, no, I tried apt-cache search mpc |
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| 18:53.35 | okok | hi |
| 18:53.44 | okok | i got strange problem with my wifii |
| 18:53.56 | okok | cannot join it (cannot find any wifii in my area) |
| 18:54.22 | somiaj | well there is gcc-multilib, there is also gcc-<proc> for various procs |
| 18:54.22 | okok | i did download drivers for my wifi card and it still don't wanna work |
| 18:54.26 | okok | could ya help me please? |
| 18:54.58 | drasko | somiaj, which one has mpc.h ? |
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| 18:56.35 | somiaj | drasko: I don't know, only cross compliation I do is 32bit binarys on a 64bit system and multilib takes care of that. You can search for packages that contain file names at packages.debian.org |
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| 18:57.52 | somiaj | drasko: the only places I see it apearing is in the linux-headers for powerpc and vserver-powerpc |
| 18:58.42 | drasko | this is no good at all |
| 18:58.49 | drasko | should be libmpc-dev |
| 18:58.52 | drasko | or something |
| 18:59.05 | qq- | libmpc-dev: /usr/include/mpc.h |
| 18:59.16 | somiaj | darkskiez: http://wiki.debian.org/BuildingCrossCompilers maybe that will help |
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| 19:00.16 | drasko | qq-, cannot find thia package |
| 19:00.21 | somiaj | darkskiez: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libmpc |
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| 19:00.37 | tacomaster | ok can someone help me because i want to set up my partitions seperate but i want to make sure i dont waste space or give to much or just plan mess it up :P |
| 19:00.38 | somiaj | hmm, I'm surprised packages.debian.org didn't find that package when searching for mpc.h |
| 19:00.51 | qq- | , versions libmpc-dev |
| 19:00.52 | judd | Package libmpc-dev on i386 -- sid: 0.8.2-1+b1; squeeze: 0.8.2-1+b1 |
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| 19:01.17 | tacomaster | i think i have a base on what i should do but just need to bounce it off of someone |
| 19:01.29 | drasko | how come that my apt-cache search does not show it ? |
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| 19:01.50 | drasko | E: Couldn't find package libmpc-dev |
| 19:02.07 | qq- | drasko, on lenny ? |
| 19:02.18 | drasko | qq-, on testing |
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| 19:02.47 | qq- | drasko, fix your sources |
| 19:02.51 | drasko | no, sorry |
| 19:02.54 | drasko | it is lenny |
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| 19:03.04 | qq- | not in lenny |
| 19:03.18 | drasko | great |
| 19:03.21 | drasko | what to do ? |
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| 19:03.35 | somiaj | drasko: which is why I suggested packages.debian.org -- it allows you to search more than just your repos. |
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| 19:04.44 | drasko | qq-, what can I do now ? Must compile from source ? |
| 19:04.58 | drasko | qq-, what is that library anyway, where I can find the source ? |
| 19:05.31 | arosen | Hello, I used aptmirror to create a mirror but When I select that mirror the installer is telling me. "The installer failed to download a file from the mirror. This may be a problem with your network, or with the mirror. You can choose to retry the download, select a different mirror or cancel and choose anther installation method." Anyone have any idea what could be wrong with my mirror? |
| 19:06.02 | qq- | drasko, what's your wifi , try lspci -nn ? |
| 19:06.25 | Bushmills | drasko, apt-file would have told you that the package is libmpc-dev |
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| 19:08.14 | robokop | how can i find what patches debian has made to the kernel? |
| 19:08.20 | drasko | qq-, why ? |
| 19:08.22 | djura-san | \o_F |
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| 19:09.07 | qq- | drasko, to find your adequate driver, so no compile needs |
| 19:09.11 | robokop | or more specifically if https://bugzilla.kernel.org/attachment.cgi?id=25261 is applied |
| 19:09.32 | abrotman | you can certainly look at the source |
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| 19:09.48 | drasko | qq-, this is completely wrong stuff, as I can see |
| 19:10.00 | drasko | I am looking for this : http://www.multiprecision.org/ |
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| 19:11.15 | elliott | wonders why qq- mentioned wifi/drivers when drasko is talking about a library... |
| 19:11.50 | robokop | abrotman: oke, thanks, that means a kernel recompile for me since it isn't |
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| 19:12.04 | drasko | elliott, there is some Muse, etc, sound stuff with th same name |
| 19:12.07 | abrotman | no .. you can just get the source .. aptitude search linux-source |
| 19:12.22 | somiaj | drasko: how about we go back to your original problem, what is it you are trying to do? |
| 19:12.25 | robokop | abrotman: did that, and it wasn't applied |
| 19:12.35 | abrotman | then it's not applied for *that* kernel |
| 19:12.38 | qq- | drasko, sry wrong read |
| 19:12.43 | abrotman | robokop: which kernel are oyu using ? |
| 19:12.51 | robokop | 2.6.32 |
| 19:12.56 | elliott | <drasko> Hi all. GCC cross compilation complains about missing MPC. What debian packet to look for ? |
| 19:13.41 | somiaj | well was more thinking what he is wanting to cross compile, why is he doing such a thing |
| 19:13.48 | drasko | In short, I am looking Debian packet for this : http://www.multiprecision.org/ |
| 19:14.01 | drasko | but it seems to exist only for Squeezy |
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| 19:17.36 | arosen | Anyone here have any experience with apt-mirror? |
| 19:17.53 | somiaj | drasko: really? then just look into backports if all you want is a package -- but I thought the issue was you want to crosscompile something? |
| 19:18.08 | abrotman | arosen: why aren't you using a proxy/cacher ? |
| 19:18.39 | arosen | abrotman: because this mirror is going to be on a local network that doesn't have access to the internet. |
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| 19:18.52 | abrotman | so how are you going to reach the system you want to mirror ? |
| 19:19.03 | mjmt | drasko: libgmp3c2, libgmp3-dev are in lenny. |
| 19:19.06 | drasko | somiaj, how can I lok at the backports for this package ? What to add to sources.list ? |
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| 19:19.16 | arosen | abrotman: I'm going to do it and then move it over to the lan. |
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| 19:19.30 | arosen | abrotman: I've used apt-mirror already and downloaded all the files. |
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| 19:19.40 | somiaj | drasko: /msg dpkg backports -- though due to your original question I think you have more issues than just installing this single package. |
| 19:20.37 | arosen | After doing so, and pointing my netinstaller to my mirror, the installer tells me, "The installer failed to download a file from the mirror. This may be a problem with your network, or with the mirror. You can choose to rety the download, select a different mirror, or cancel and choose another method. "" |
| 19:20.44 | allure | What are the other open source alternatives for Zimbra/Exchange? |
| 19:20.51 | abrotman | opengroupware |
| 19:21.10 | allure | thank you abrotman |
| 19:21.10 | arosen | abrotman: though it think its downloading a release file correctly. |
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| 19:23.49 | edgars_ | b33p |
| 19:23.50 | somiaj | arosen: what version of debian are you trying to get from the mirror? |
| 19:24.05 | arosen | somiaj: This is what i'm mirroring deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main |
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| 19:25.05 | somiaj | arosen: have you tried a different mirror -- what package is it saying it can't find? |
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| 19:27.16 | arosen | somiaj: It doesn't say, it only says, the instaler failed to download a file from the mirror. |
| 19:28.03 | somiaj | arosen: I'd try a different mirror. |
| 19:28.47 | arosen | somiaj: that would work but I want to use my mirror |
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| 19:29.25 | rraasch | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:29.41 | jhutchins_lt | The Intel graphics bug in squeeze appears to be fixed! |
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| 19:30.36 | somiaj | arosen: well the issues is it is not able to fetch the deb, it can either be a) problem with your network connenction, b) a problem with the mirrors network connenction, c) traceroute issue between your and the mirror or d) your sources.list file isn't updated corectally and requesting a file/version that is not on the mirror |
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| 19:30.48 | arosen | somiaj: Looking is syslog it says its trying to download debian/dists/lenny/main/binary-i386/Release from my server but then it seems wget is returning a 404 |
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| 19:30.53 | arosen | but the file is actually there? |
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| 19:30.59 | paul__ | #paultam |
| 19:31.05 | somiaj | arosen: 404 -- the file your requesting is not on the mirror |
| 19:31.28 | decan | hi everyone, I asked once if someone has already tested neurodebian software |
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| 19:31.59 | DarkM | I guys |
| 19:32.19 | DarkM | I got a dedicated server, and uh, so I got sendmail on it, but what should I chose to receive mails, postfix ? |
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| 19:32.32 | somiaj | arosen: ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/binary-i386/Release -- just checked the file is there. |
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| 19:33.20 | abrotman | DarkM: sendmail can recieve mail |
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| 19:33.24 | abrotman | receive |
| 19:33.28 | arosen | somiaj: one is there too :( |
| 19:34.08 | DarkM | abrotman: Didn't know that haha shame on me |
| 19:34.11 | DarkM | I was fooled by the name "send" |
| 19:34.13 | somiaj | arosen: check your internet connenction on the machine trying to get the file -- maybe the issue is there. |
| 19:34.48 | DarkM | abrotman: so I should keep sendmail ? Can it use ssl and do you think its the best solution ? |
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| 19:35.29 | abrotman | FIIK, i haven't tried to use sendmail since 2000 |
| 19:35.36 | iman | i am wonder that aol 9.5 it's for windows and mac os |
| 19:35.40 | abrotman | and that was on solaris |
| 19:35.48 | abrotman | iman: uhm what? |
| 19:35.58 | DarkM | X) |
| 19:36.03 | DarkM | abrotman: Then I should use something else ? |
| 19:36.21 | abrotman | i happily use postfix .. but you don't use postfix and sendmail together |
| 19:36.37 | DarkM | "You don't. Sendmail is a mail transfer agent whose primary purpose is to send and receive e-mail (primarily via SMTP). Sendmail does not implement any remote access protocols such as POP or IMAP" |
| 19:36.41 | DarkM | Well |
| 19:36.47 | DarkM | Its actually from scratch |
| 19:37.02 | DarkM | I can remove sendmail if needed, there are no users at the moment |
| 19:37.06 | abrotman | from scratch ? |
| 19:37.17 | DarkM | Well I got my server, and a few things like apache php mysql and stuff |
| 19:37.27 | DarkM | But there are no users beside me right now |
| 19:38.06 | DarkM | But I guess i'll use postfix :D |
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| 19:38.17 | iman | abrotman, then we can't use aol |
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| 19:43.28 | luckz | DarkM: what you want sure depends on how many domains and users you want to receive mail for and a billion other factors |
| 19:43.40 | DarkM | luckz: Actually |
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| 19:44.11 | abrotman | iman: you can .. use pidgin |
| 19:44.11 | abrotman | you mean AIM or AOL ? |
| 19:44.11 | iman | abrotman, AOL |
| 19:44.11 | iman | abrotman, http://daol.aol.com/software |
| 19:44.11 | abrotman | oh wtf .. no one wants to use AOL |
| 19:44.14 | DarkM | It's an online exchange/selling platform for businesses |
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| 19:44.28 | DarkM | It will have a lot of users, and uh... We'll only use one domain for emails |
| 19:44.32 | DarkM | even if we already got 20 domains |
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| 19:55.59 | DeathWol1 | mmm, would anyone know where to find source/info on ae, the text editor that used to come bundled with debian:) I've been having nostalgia of it. |
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| 19:56.33 | abrotman | judd: info aee --releasel enny |
| 19:56.35 | judd | (info <packagename> [--arch <i386>] [--release <lenny>]) -- Show the short description and some other brief details about a package in the specified release and architecture. By default, the current stable release and i386 are used. |
| 19:56.37 | abrotman | judd: info aee --release lenny |
| 19:56.38 | abrotman | that ? |
| 19:56.38 | judd | Package aee (editors, optional) in lenny/i386: An easy to use screen-based editor. Version: 2.2.15b-3; Size: 137.5k; Installed: 420k |
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| 19:56.47 | DeathWol1 | I don't think it's this one |
| 19:56.50 | DeathWol1 | unless it got renamed |
| 19:56.55 | abrotman | judd: info aewam --release lenny |
| 19:56.57 | judd | No record of package 'aewam' in lenny/i386. |
| 19:56.58 | abrotman | judd: info aewan --release lenny |
| 19:56.59 | judd | Package aewan (text, extra) in lenny/i386: ASCII-art Editor Without A Name. Version: 1.0.01-2; Size: 93.2k; Installed: 208k |
| 19:57.07 | DeathWol1 | http://oreilly.com/catalog/debian/chapter/book/ch04_05.html only mention I can find of it |
| 19:57.11 | abrotman | wait .. nevermind .. that doesn't make sense |
| 19:57.40 | abrotman | DeathWol1: sarge still had it .. what about etch ? |
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| 19:57.49 | DeathWol1 | well, just source would be fine:) |
| 19:58.09 | abrotman | archive.debian.org .. have fun! |
| 19:58.18 | jhutchins_lt | !tell DeathWol1 about snapshot |
| 19:58.37 | elliott | ae sounds like some version/whatever of ee |
| 19:58.42 | elliott | the screenshot looks like it too |
| 19:58.45 | abrotman | DeathWol1: http://archive.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/ae/ |
| 19:58.50 | DeathWol1 | I think it might be pre 2005 jhujhiti though:) |
| 19:58.52 | DeathWol1 | thanks abrotman! |
| 19:59.27 | jhutchins_lt | I wonder who jhujhiti is anyway... never get a response. |
| 19:59.46 | DeathWol1 | my bad, s/jhujhiti/jhutchins_lt/ |
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| 19:59.56 | jhutchins_lt | So...um...squeeze! |
| 20:00.04 | jhutchins_lt | DeathWol1: Everybody seems to do it. |
| 20:00.39 | sxp | hi, I installed Squeeze through the netinst CD. I installed xfce and xserver, and now I can't load the X's |
| 20:00.57 | abrotman | how did you install X ? |
| 20:01.15 | sxp | I always have the same problem, but I fix it adding a line to the file xorg.conf |
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| 20:01.37 | sxp | that says: SubSection Display modes "800x600" End SubSection |
| 20:01.47 | sxp | the problem is that now I can't find the xorg.conf file |
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| 20:02.09 | jhutchins_lt | sxp: Create it. |
| 20:02.14 | jhutchins_lt | X --configure |
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| 20:03.01 | inc0 | where does usb drive apears after plug in? |
| 20:03.14 | inc0 | what should I mount to access it? |
| 20:03.29 | jhutchins_lt | inc0: dmesg should show you. |
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| 20:03.44 | robokop | inc0: dmesg | tail most likely will be enough |
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| 20:05.13 | tacomaster | if i have found fixes to get usb network cards working for ubuntu but nothing in debian channels should the fix from ubuntu work in debian? |
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| 20:05.36 | robokop | tacomaster: you can try |
| 20:06.03 | tacomaster | robokop: fair enough lol :P ty |
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| 20:07.00 | robokop | tacomaster: ubuntu is a lot like debian so a lot of the times the ubuntu solution will work or only needs a minor alteration to work under debian |
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| 20:08.46 | tacomaster | robokop: ok makes me feel alot better :P because thats really the only think out of the norm that i really need to work wile im at work |
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| 20:10.56 | bolt | that and carrot juice |
| 20:11.13 | DXB | hi, please help me I have got Debian lenny version 506 installed on my computer everything is fine except the graphic card which is nvidia Fx 5200, I have tried many time via Google search to find the way to install the driver but I was not able to do it, kindly advise me in this regards |
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| 20:12.18 | abrotman | did you try the nv driver? i can't imagine the nvidia binary stuff still supports something that old |
| 20:12.19 | abrotman | !nvidia |
| 20:12.19 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 20:12.23 | abrotman | see that URL |
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| 20:16.02 | DXB | abrotman thanks |
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| 20:17.27 | jhutchins_lt | Unfortunately the wifi manager is one of the big differences. |
| 20:17.45 | jhutchins_lt | tacomaster: What chipset is it? |
| 20:18.53 | tacomaster | jhutchins_lt: the wireless card? |
| 20:19.20 | tacomaster | jhutchins_lt: its a wusb100v2 made by linksys |
| 20:20.52 | jhutchins_lt | tacomaster: Does lsusb tell you what chipset it is? |
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| 20:21.28 | yagoo | tacomaster, if there's no guide for it anywhere for debian.. you may be able to get to work following this.. ubuntu's filesystem settings are very similar ( http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/wireless-internet/159738-ubuntu-9-10-wusb100v2-solved.html ) |
| 20:21.30 | tacomaster | jhutchins_lt: Bus 002 Device 004: ID 1737:0078 Linksys |
| 20:21.35 | jhutchins_lt | tacomaster: Do you have a link to the "ubuntu fix"? I can do a sanity check. |
| 20:21.54 | tacomaster | jhutchins_lt: sure 1 sec |
| 20:21.55 | yagoo | (try modprobe -v rt3070sta ) |
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| 20:23.07 | bolt | i seem to remember earlier versions of debian (using squeeze now) would ask who should get root's mail, and set /etc/aliases accordingly. now it doesn't. which package does this? something's adding "root: bolt" to /etc/aliases |
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| 20:24.17 | jhutchins_lt | !tell tacomaster about rt3070 |
| 20:24.54 | jhutchins_lt | yagoo: it's rt2870sta, and he needs firmware. |
| 20:25.17 | jhutchins_lt | tacomaster: Nevermind the ubuntu stuff, follow the stuff that dpkg sent you. |
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| 20:25.54 | tacomaster | jhutchins_lt: kk ty so much sorry took me so long i was trying to find that web page again that i saw on ubuntu fourms |
| 20:26.17 | jhutchins_lt | tacomaster: No, that's cool, I think somebody else linked to it. |
| 20:27.46 | stew | bolt: grep /etc/aliases /var/lib/dpkg/info/*postinst |
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| 20:27.57 | yagoo | what kern u have tacomaster? (=>2.6.31 ?) |
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| 20:28.34 | bolt | stew: ooh! thanks! |
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| 20:29.19 | tacomaster | yagoo: im just about to do a install on my hdd but i was running through it first on virtualbox to make sure that my manual partition lay out will work but i just installed it from the debian site not but like 2-3 days ago so what ever kernel the newest i386 is using |
| 20:29.37 | bolt | stew: the way this script works, it'll stop doing that if i just put "root: root" instead of commenting out "root: bolt". brilliant. you saved my day :D |
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| 20:29.55 | stew | \*/ |
| 20:30.12 | DarkM | Guys I need some help. |
| 20:30.21 | DarkM | Whats the easy solution to have a mail server running on my debian dedicated server |
| 20:30.23 | DarkM | the easiest* |
| 20:30.34 | yagoo | tacomaster, uname -r says the kernel version |
| 20:30.37 | DarkM | I got postfix and courier installed but seriously I don't know how to handle the authentification etc. |
| 20:30.42 | DarkM | And also I got a webmin installed if that helps. |
| 20:30.57 | tacomaster | yagoo: i havent installed debian yet i will be in a few mins |
| 20:31.12 | tacomaster | yagoo: i have ubuntu atm so i fear that wont help much :P |
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| 20:31.44 | yagoo | tacomaster, you're likely to get it working with the latest ubuntu or debian.. so you should be fine.. |
| 20:31.46 | DarkM | Anyone ? :( |
| 20:32.12 | tacomaster | yagoo: it works atm on ubuntu thats how im talking to you |
| 20:32.30 | yagoo | tacomaster, I know it'll work.. don't worry.. |
| 20:32.31 | stew | DarkM: it sounds like you already have a mail server running. what do you need it to do that it isn't already doing? |
| 20:32.39 | DarkM | Well stew |
| 20:32.42 | DarkM | I got them using apt-get xD |
| 20:32.43 | stew | DarkM: is it for incoming? outgoing? both? |
| 20:32.56 | DarkM | It's outgoing using echo "Something" | mail |
| 20:33.08 | DarkM | but I really don't know the authentification system in fact. |
| 20:33.12 | DarkM | How should I manage the users ? :o |
| 20:33.20 | jhutchins_lt | So with all this cruft in grub2, is it possible to display what the menu will show without actually rebooting? |
| 20:33.37 | jhutchins_lt | I need to change my default boot entry to squeeze, but I don't know which item it is now. |
| 20:34.03 | stew | DarkM: system users? or virtual mail users? what do they need to do? send mail out? from localhost? or relay? receive mail? |
| 20:34.49 | DarkM | stew thanks for helping me by asking me things like that :D. So, its gonna be virtual mail users, or at least |
| 20:34.53 | DarkM | They won't EVER need to ssh |
| 20:35.09 | DarkM | They need to receive and send mail with their thunderbird and stuff, just that |
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| 20:35.40 | DarkM | But they are sooooo many solutions to manage mail servers... i'm lost with postfix/dovecot/sendmail/procmail/courier... |
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| 20:36.55 | wooden | Don't forget exim. |
| 20:37.03 | DarkM | x) |
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| 20:37.27 | stew | DarkM: the simplist solution is probably to use userdb to store the users (other, more complicated methods might include mysql or ldap) |
| 20:37.35 | yagoo | DarkM, zimbra(very elegant web gui) may be easy.. but squirrelmail is even easier to setup.. you should at least know what an mta is when setting this stuff up.. i'll be much easier to understand the basic doc stuff |
| 20:37.36 | tharkun | DarkM: If you have postfix/courier allready running. Check the db backend it is usually as simple ass that |
| 20:37.53 | yagoo | ,/it'll/ |
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| 20:38.15 | DarkM | hmm |
| 20:38.21 | DarkM | i'll check zimbra/squirrelmail |
| 20:38.37 | DarkM | A web gui would be awesome. |
| 20:38.51 | tharkun | DarkM: add to that mix the backend that is usually postfix |
| 20:39.01 | DarkM | Okay I see. |
| 20:39.04 | yagoo | DarkM, zimbra is very impressive.. it may be more than what you're asking for.. it does a heck lot.. |
| 20:39.19 | DarkM | Well, yagoo we might need a looot of things |
| 20:39.43 | tharkun | DarkM: the simpler your mta setup the easier to maintain |
| 20:39.50 | DarkM | ;D |
| 20:39.51 | DarkM | Well |
| 20:40.04 | DarkM | I need something up like before tomorrow, and uh |
| 20:40.12 | DarkM | a web gui for the users (we're gonna be like 10) |
| 20:40.14 | DarkM | would be awesome too |
| 20:40.22 | yagoo | DarkM, i'm also sure zimbra can serve out to thunderbird if needed to be.. |
| 20:40.36 | DarkM | Hmmm |
| 20:40.41 | DarkM | i'll go for zimbra |
| 20:40.47 | DarkM | since I found a pretty good guide |
| 20:40.52 | DarkM | While using postfix/courier etc. |
| 20:41.01 | DarkM | Its like 10 tutorials covering small parts of one same thing |
| 20:42.26 | jhutchins_lt | How do I remove a widget from the panel if it's been added? |
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| 20:42.40 | jhutchins_lt | Possibly how do I reset the panel (kde4) to the defaults? |
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| 20:43.29 | inc0 | ehh now my debian crushed completly:( |
| 20:43.53 | inc0 | I cant even access terminal when alt+ctrl+f1 |
| 20:43.56 | stew | DarkM: you'll need to configure postfix to user userdb by creaating/altering /etc/postfix/smtpd.conf ; you'll need to turn on sasl auth in the main.cf ; you'll need to tell courier (if that is the imap you are going to use) to use its built in authuserdb authenticator |
| 20:44.04 | yagoo | inc0, nothing wrong about crushing as long as it is not crashing |
| 20:44.22 | stew | DarkM: configuring webmail should hopefully be little more than pointing it at your imap server once it is installed |
| 20:44.29 | inc0 | I belive its crash.. |
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| 20:47.10 | inc0 | how can I interrupt loading X? |
| 20:47.14 | inc0 | when boot? |
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| 20:47.54 | metalfoo | You don't want to boot into X11? |
| 20:48.11 | inc0 | my X11 is broken, I get big black screen |
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| 20:48.19 | inc0 | and I cant even go to terminal 1 |
| 20:48.26 | inc0 | from there |
| 20:48.35 | allure | Hi guys. I've setted up a VPN and connected to it (PPTP) but I can't connect to other hosts on the network even tho ip_forward is enabled (1). What am I missing there? |
| 20:48.40 | inc0 | basicly I can do nothing but restart |
| 20:48.45 | stew | inc0: is it running ssh? can you ssh in from another host? |
| 20:48.46 | metalfoo | Then boot into the single user mode |
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| 20:48.56 | jhutchins_lt | inc0: Intel chipset? |
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| 20:49.49 | yagoo | inc0, well if u said what u last did before it crashed may be insightful |
| 20:50.01 | DarkM | steHmm, i'll use zimbra |
| 20:50.04 | DarkM | Seem easier |
| 20:50.09 | DarkM | but dammmnnnnn |
| 20:50.16 | DarkM | It needs space in /opt |
| 20:50.24 | DarkM | And my /opt doesnt have much space |
| 20:50.33 | DarkM | * Googling debian partition management xD * |
| 20:50.40 | yagoo | DarkM, zimbra can be complex.. but basically all their docs mention about MTA.. so you should do a little research beforehand and understand the basics.. |
| 20:50.57 | inc0 | stew, I'll try, good thinking and jhutchins_lt no, its Gigabyte motherboard and ATI graphics |
| 20:50.58 | stew | is zimbra not free software? |
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| 20:51.48 | inc0 | I'm almost sure its X11 thing |
| 20:52.02 | inc0 | I was installing fglrx before reboot |
| 20:52.09 | yagoo | stew, well there's a community edition.. one package made for debian.. last one i checked was more than a year ago.. now they have version 6 (http://www.zimbra.com/community/ ) |
| 20:52.09 | inc0 | and messing with xorg.conf |
| 20:52.58 | allure | I have a PPTP session running but I can only ping the PPTP server, not the rest of the network. What am I missing? |
| 20:53.04 | inc0 | hmm...I think I'll just reinstallos |
| 20:53.26 | robokop | allure: whoat does route tell you |
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| 20:54.10 | allure | robokop: I'll pastebin it |
| 20:54.23 | DarkM | yagoo: Sure I understand |
| 20:54.35 | allure | robokop: route output: http://pastebin.org/339647 |
| 20:57.40 | robokop | allure: only the trafic to 192.168.1.254 is going through your tunnel |
| 20:58.09 | allure | robokop: so I should add a route to 192.168.1.0 to 254 or ppp0? |
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| 20:58.54 | allure | robokop: tested to 254 and it worked. Thank you :) |
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| 21:00.21 | robokop | allure: route add 192.168.1.0 gw 192.168.1.254 netmask 255.255.255.0 dev ppp0 |
| 21:00.30 | TheSarge | I just did a businesscard net install can someome please tell me the name of the gnome package? |
| 21:01.01 | TheSarge | Does anyone still use Debain? :( |
| 21:01.14 | allure | robokop: yes, that's exactly what I did! Thank you very much! :) |
| 21:01.34 | allure | robokop: been caught by this 'simple' problem for like 20 minutes now hehe |
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| 21:01.52 | robokop | np glad to be of helpt |
| 21:01.57 | robokop | s/t$// |
| 21:02.12 | TheSarge | can you help me lol? |
| 21:02.23 | kz6090 | i know a few jokes |
| 21:02.24 | robokop | TheSarge: gnome |
| 21:02.47 | TheSarge | isnt there a full package that includes other X stuff like in Ubuntu? |
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| 21:03.06 | allure | TheSarge: run tasksel |
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| 21:03.53 | TheSarge | okal will do as soon as install is done, this box is only going to be a file server with ssh access, I hope debian was a good choic for this task? |
| 21:04.00 | TheSarge | Its an old dual PIII server |
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| 21:04.14 | allure | TheSarge: You made the right choice. :) |
| 21:04.25 | robokop | TheSarge: why need gnome on a file server? |
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| 21:04.55 | monkey_d_luffy | when I choose to reboot in a WM like KDE or Gnome, does the WM execute /etc/init.d/reboot or do they call reboot directly? My idea was to modify that file to call kexec instead. |
| 21:05.01 | squisher | evening, anyone know how to change the config of slapd when it's not running, but I'm using the config database? |
| 21:05.09 | allure | robokop: my home file server has freenx running =D |
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| 21:05.21 | TheSarge | robokop: Honestly cause I dont wanna learn howto configure a satic IP in CLI lol. |
| 21:05.38 | allure | TheSarge: just do a man interfaces and it'll teach you all you need =) |
| 21:05.54 | TheSarge | allure: I have like an hour to do this is lol |
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| 21:06.01 | jhutchins_lt | Howcome I'm getting colored nics on freenode but not on OFTC? |
| 21:06.02 | allure | TheSarge: won't take two minutes =) |
| 21:06.02 | DarkM | Guys, |
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| 21:06.19 | TheSarge | I am all for learning how to do things in CLI, it is always faster. |
| 21:06.41 | TheSarge | I doubt with my skills it will take 2 mins to set a static ip in a terminal :( |
| 21:06.58 | TheSarge | I am gunna get rid of X once I get it all setup |
| 21:07.02 | allure | TheSarge: but believe me, it's all about a little reading. The manpage is two pages long, if I recall correctly |
| 21:07.32 | kz6090 | does freenx have any security issues? |
| 21:07.32 | robokop | it should take you less time then to install gnome and stuff |
| 21:07.44 | TheSarge | I am a slow learner lol |
| 21:07.50 | kz6090 | or, eh, X, if it's running with nolisten tcp? |
| 21:07.52 | allure | kz6090: if you set it up properly, guess not |
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| 21:07.57 | TheSarge | took me 9 years of linux to be as profecient as I am lol. |
| 21:08.18 | kz6090 | 11 yrs here, so I'm slower than you, Sarge. :) |
| 21:08.23 | allure | TheSarge: Maybe because you prefer gui to cli all the time =) |
| 21:08.32 | robokop | TheSarge: the more you use the CLI, the quicker you become profecient with it |
| 21:08.39 | jhutchins_lt | TheSarge: Have a look at the desktop task and tasksel. |
| 21:08.48 | TheSarge | No I have learned a lot of cli |
| 21:08.55 | TheSarge | just not network stuff |
| 21:08.56 | jhutchins_lt | If you really want a desktop; like robokop says the CLI is pretty easy to learn. |
| 21:09.01 | TheSarge | lol version me :) |
| 21:09.03 | allure | TheSarge: for servers, cli is all you need |
| 21:09.23 | jhutchins_lt | TheSarge: man interfaces should have you up in minutes. |
| 21:09.24 | TheSarge | I am using irssi I love the command line trust me |
| 21:09.30 | robokop | for desktops too imn most of my usecases |
| 21:09.58 | TheSarge | I will give it a go, but I suck at network stuff! |
| 21:10.15 | TheSarge | still 20 mins on the net install |
| 21:10.32 | TheSarge | think it installed GDE anyways |
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| 21:10.51 | allure | TheSarge: everytime someone uses a gui interface for simple tasks, gnu god kills a baby panda bear |
| 21:10.54 | allure | you don't want that |
| 21:11.12 | n00ch | allure: hahaha |
| 21:11.22 | TheSarge | So I am gunna use an ftpd and samba so he can drag and drop to a network drive on windows the stuff he wants on the server and access them anywhere he has net :) |
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| 21:12.13 | allure | TheSarge: you might want to set up a vpn, then. It's quite easy. Read about pptp. It takes like 5 mins to set up for a slow slow typer. |
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| 21:12.18 | hsa2 | hello |
| 21:12.49 | allure | TheSarge: and even if you are as stupid as me to forget to route your traffic afterwards, there's always #debian =) |
| 21:12.53 | allure | hi hsa2 |
| 21:12.58 | tomodachi | TheSarge: check out openvpn |
| 21:13.18 | tomodachi | I believe its among the best and easiest vpn solutions for windows/linux wich is open source |
| 21:13.23 | hsa2 | i am planning to use debian on my server, but i don't want to follow package versions on stable, i want use more recent versions, which repo should i be using? |
| 21:13.43 | jhutchins_lt | hsa2: You should be using lenny. |
| 21:13.51 | allure | I'd use backports :) |
| 21:13.52 | TheSarge | lol no he only uses windows he wants to be able to get the files via a browser when at a clients, he wants ftp |
| 21:13.52 | jhutchins_lt | hsa2: ie stable. |
| 21:14.09 | jhutchins_lt | hsa2: If you actually need a newer version of something, you can backport it, but chances are you don't. |
| 21:14.13 | hsa2 | but packages on stable repo are old. |
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| 21:14.21 | allure | TheSarge: if he has a vpn to work with, he can do that and a lot more... :) |
| 21:14.22 | jhutchins_lt | hsa2: They may look old, but they are patched. |
| 21:14.23 | TheSarge | and samba on his lan is simple for me to setup and map a network drive on his shop machine |
| 21:14.34 | hsa2 | what do you mean? |
| 21:14.36 | robokop | TheSarge: openvpn + samba is reall nice and easy |
| 21:14.46 | TheSarge | No VPNs lol I see no issue with ftp/samba |
| 21:14.54 | allure | TheSarge: also, he'll be served with encryption and a higher security when transfering files and logging in stuff |
| 21:15.01 | allure | TheSarge: once you set up a vpn, you will love it yourself =D |
| 21:15.05 | hsa2 | mumble-server version is 1.1.4 on repo, but 1.2.2 is the newest version of it. |
| 21:15.18 | jhutchins_lt | hsa2: The packages on stable receive bugfix and security updates on a regular basis. |
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| 21:15.35 | hsa2 | jhutchins_lt, i want to be a bit less secure then. |
| 21:15.36 | TheSarge | sftp is secure enough, he isnt keeping anything like personal info on it |
| 21:15.47 | tharkun | How do i run "xset dpms 60 120 180" whenever a user logs in using X gdm kdm or whatever the flavour of the day is? |
| 21:15.50 | jhutchins_lt | hsa2: Even if the version numbers look older than other distros or what's upstream, you'll find them highly functional - which is what you want if you're running a sever. |
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| 21:16.07 | allure | TheSarge: but you'll be openning samba to the internet. that's not wise =) |
| 21:16.10 | TheSarge | ftp is simple, type in ip in any browser, enter uname and passwd and you have the files. |
| 21:16.23 | hsa2 | jhutchins_lt, this is a private server, and i want to keep security level low |
| 21:16.24 | TheSarge | allure: No I am not? Samba is only for the Lan |
| 21:16.35 | hsa2 | having recent software is more important for me |
| 21:16.48 | allure | TheSarge: ok, then... :) I would still use VPN, tho |
| 21:16.53 | TheSarge | allure: Samba is on the LAN so he can transfer files to the server. That is all nothing on the WAN |
| 21:16.53 | jhutchins_lt | hsa2: testing(squeeze) is not just newer and shinyer, it's testing - and known to still have some major broken parts. |
| 21:17.05 | jhutchins_lt | hsa2: Why? |
| 21:17.08 | hsa2 | what about sid? |
| 21:17.10 | TheSarge | vpn would take longer for him to get the files in the field lmao |
| 21:17.13 | streuner | if you using a server you should use stable |
| 21:17.14 | n00ch | jhutchins_lt: are you a lieutenant? |
| 21:17.27 | jhutchins_lt | hsa2: sid breaks from day to day. It's not a linear series of releases, it's pre-release stuff. |
| 21:17.31 | streuner | thats not the question |
| 21:17.34 | robokop | tharkun: /etc/X11/Xsession.d |
| 21:17.36 | allure | hsa2: you can have both repositories on a single sources.list and select what you want when installing with -t testing or -t unstable |
| 21:17.53 | hsa2 | allure, it sounds useful! |
| 21:18.08 | jhutchins_lt | hsa2: If you actually NEED a newer version of a package on stable, you can often find it on backports, and backporting your own isn't that hard. |
| 21:18.09 | hsa2 | so, can you please help me adding testing and unstable sources to my list? |
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| 21:18.29 | jhutchins_lt | hsa2: However, running a stable system means it just works from day to day - and you can get help if it doesn't right here. |
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| 21:18.46 | jhutchins_lt | hsa2: If you're testing squeeze you are presumed to know how to fix it yourself. |
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| 21:19.04 | robokop | jhutchins_lt: how about sid? :P |
| 21:19.10 | allure | hsa2: here you go: http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html |
| 21:19.18 | tharkun | robokop: any man page on that? |
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| 21:19.39 | streuner | dpkg, tell allure about bobbitt |
| 21:19.43 | jhutchins_lt | robokop: Sid isn't a release, it's a staging area for new software. |
| 21:20.18 | robokop | tharkun: man Xsession |
| 21:20.23 | jhutchins_lt | allure: If you turn a neophyte on to mixed releases you get to fix his problems all by yourself. |
| 21:20.36 | streuner | allure: if you telling people about pinning you should tell them about bobbitt too... |
| 21:20.46 | TheSarge | omg I cannot wait to get ssh up so I can use my laptop and not this pos setup |
| 21:21.00 | jhutchins_lt | climbs back off the soapbox and goes out to work on the truck. |
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| 21:21.09 | TheSarge | You guys havent started reccomending sudo vs a root password have you? |
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| 21:21.25 | jhutchins_lt | TheSarge: Not that I know of - that's ubuntu. |
| 21:21.35 | TheSarge | Good! |
| 21:21.45 | TheSarge | Don't wanna get started on that mess lol. |
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| 21:21.52 | kz6090 | yeah, why is sudo a bad thing? |
| 21:21.54 | kz6090 | oops |
| 21:21.54 | robokop | sudo is nice if you want to give certain users certain specific rights, nothing more nothing less |
| 21:21.59 | TheSarge | Been using a root password for ever. Never hurt me. |
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| 21:22.44 | TheSarge | Sudo is great, but I don't think it should be used by default instead of a root password onj a desktop system. |
| 21:23.16 | kz6090 | TheSarge, is that a matter of preference, or security, or what? |
| 21:23.46 | jhutchins_lt | kz6090: Mostly preference. On a single-user system it really doesn't matter. |
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| 21:24.15 | kz6090 | jhutchins_lt ok thx |
| 21:24.20 | TheSarge | It is a matter of confusing new users, and sudo -i is what anyone would use who is annoyed with typing it alot. And that is just as insecure as a root login imho. |
| 21:24.39 | jhutchins_lt | sudo bash |
| 21:24.43 | TheSarge | Don't really want to get a huge discussion going about it though, I will just get frustrated. |
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| 21:25.33 | TheSarge | Started one in Ubuntu the other day and was blinsided by 20 users |
| 21:25.52 | TheSarge | So I will just keep my opinions to myself I guess lol |
| 21:25.55 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah, well, it's their default, they're attached to the idea that it's better. |
| 21:25.56 | kz6090 | :) |
| 21:26.18 | TheSarge | Hope Debian devs arent thinking about it |
| 21:26.22 | kz6090 | Aliases in bashrc resovled that issue for me. |
| 21:26.36 | kz6090 | then it's just a matter of typing the passwd |
| 21:27.10 | TheSarge | Every Ubuntu install I do I end up typing sudo passwd at the very beginning anyways lol. |
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| 21:27.43 | jhutchins_lt | I tried it their way, but I always ended up wanting a real root shell too. |
| 21:27.57 | TheSarge | ya call me insecure lol. |
| 21:28.03 | jhutchins_lt | Aaaaaaaand we are OT, aren't we? |
| 21:28.11 | robokop | no, ofc not |
| 21:28.13 | robokop | :P |
| 21:28.18 | TheSarge | I am just used to what I am used to after all most 10 years is all. |
| 21:28.38 | kz6090 | i did the visudo thing on a few installs. aliases are better imho |
| 21:29.17 | TheSarge | a root alias? |
| 21:29.27 | TheSarge | user = root? |
| 21:29.42 | jhutchins_lt | kz6090: Like I said, on a single user system it doesn't really make any difference unless you need to log your own activity so you can track yourself. |
| 21:30.13 | TheSarge | I just wanna root ssh which isnt secure but I like it |
| 21:30.23 | jhutchins_lt | The big thing about sudo is it's logging ability. |
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| 21:30.41 | kz6090 | jhutchins_lt, see -- that lost me. log my own activity? this is a single user system - me. Can aliases not be created for the root user? |
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| 21:31.10 | kz6090 | obviously i'm typing this from an ubuntu install :) |
| 21:31.11 | jhutchins_lt | kz6090: Don't understand by aliases. |
| 21:31.18 | robokop | good old toor comming back |
| 21:31.24 | hsa2 | allure, i edited my sources list |
| 21:31.42 | hsa2 | but when i run update && upgrade it lists a lot of upgrades, i think all from unstable |
| 21:31.59 | hsa2 | should i use something like aptitude upgrade -t stable ? |
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| 21:32.10 | jhutchins_lt | hsa2: Is there a particular package you think you need a newer version of? |
| 21:32.17 | hsa2 | yes |
| 21:32.24 | jhutchins_lt | hsa2: what? |
| 21:32.33 | hsa2 | as I mentioned mumble-server for example |
| 21:32.40 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions mumble-server |
| 21:32.43 | judd | Package mumble-server on i386 -- lenny: 1.1.4-4+lenny1; lenny-backports: 1.1.8-2~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.2.2-4+b1; sid: 1.2.2-5 |
| 21:32.58 | jhutchins_lt | Is 1.1.8 new enough? |
| 21:33.02 | hsa2 | i want the version on squeeze |
| 21:33.05 | hsa2 | nope |
| 21:33.08 | DarkM | Guys, what's the easy way to lower the partition of "/home" and allow more space on / ? |
| 21:33.12 | DarkM | Its a dedicated serve |
| 21:33.16 | jhutchins_lt | !tell hsa about bpo |
| 21:33.17 | DarkM | I have to put it on rescue mode? |
| 21:33.18 | DarkM | :o |
| 21:33.24 | jhutchins_lt | !tell hsa2 about bpo |
| 21:33.45 | jhutchins_lt | hsa2: That's the proper way to do it. |
| 21:33.57 | kz6090 | !tell kz6090 about sudo |
| 21:34.04 | hsa2 | but packports version is not new enough for me |
| 21:34.15 | jhutchins_lt | kz6090: You can also /msg dpkg <factoid> |
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| 21:34.29 | jhutchins_lt | hsa2: Oops, wrong key. |
| 21:34.29 | kz6090 | cool, thx |
| 21:34.36 | jhutchins_lt | !tell hsa2 about ssb |
| 21:34.36 | tharkun | robokop: thx |
| 21:35.10 | jhutchins_lt | hsa2: If there's a valid reason to need the newer version on lenny you can request an official backport. |
| 21:35.47 | hsa2 | yes, 1.1.4 is considered as legacy |
| 21:36.03 | hsa2 | you have to install backward compatibility to use that version of server |
| 21:36.28 | allure | hsa2: sorry it took me long, got a call from a client |
| 21:36.33 | allure | hsa2: where were we? |
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| 21:36.47 | hsa2 | allure, np |
| 21:37.04 | hsa2 | i am trying to understand repo thing |
| 21:37.09 | hsa2 | priorities and etc |
| 21:37.41 | hsa2 | now i am creating the preferences file |
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| 21:38.08 | kz6090 | damn. adding oneself to the sudoers list is "minimally secure?" is this a problem on single-user systems? where is some good info on this topic? tia. |
| 21:38.24 | jhutchins_lt | hsa2: Doing an ssb is a lot safer than trying to install packages from a different release directly. |
| 21:38.37 | doublehp | how can i cealr a SMART journal error ? |
| 21:38.46 | DarkM | Guys I have a question. |
| 21:39.05 | DarkM | If my home is 600gb, and my / is 5 gb. If I transfer space from /home to / |
| 21:39.09 | DarkM | I cannot lose data on / right ? |
| 21:39.15 | DarkM | I'm just giving it more space |
| 21:39.27 | DarkM | Its okay if I just backup the partition from which I TAKE space ? |
| 21:39.28 | TheSarge | which fs? |
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| 21:39.32 | DarkM | hmm |
| 21:39.34 | DarkM | hold on |
| 21:39.39 | hsa2 | jhutchins_lt, but it looks more difficult to handle |
| 21:39.44 | jhutchins_lt | DarkM: You can ALWAYS loose data. |
| 21:40.01 | TheSarge | Ya backing up is never a bad isea lol. |
| 21:40.09 | DarkM | http://pastie.org/1236650 |
| 21:40.16 | jhutchins_lt | hsa2: Not to handle safely. You're at risk of updating libraries and common files that will cause the system to break if you mix releases. |
| 21:40.26 | DarkM | :/ |
| 21:41.11 | hsa2 | jhutchins_lt, can you give me url of a doc explaining this ssb thing? |
| 21:41.11 | TheSarge | if it is ext 3 or reiser I wouldnt worry too much |
| 21:41.40 | jhutchins_lt | hsa2: The main thing is if you stay within the stable structure and update packages ONLY by proper backporting, the system is far mor maintainable and upgradable. |
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| 21:41.56 | jhutchins_lt | hsa2: Um, didn't you get a query from dpkg explaining it? |
| 21:42.16 | hsa2 | I got but I need a more detailed explaination i think |
| 21:43.00 | DarkM | Okayyy thanks |
| 21:43.11 | jhutchins_lt | hsa2: Pretty straight-forward step-by-step instructions. |
| 21:43.20 | k\- | so i see /etc/hosts handles ip's of local/remote machine: but offers alias multiplication for name changes. If i was looking for the opposite (multiple ip changes on hostname) what file would i be looking for? |
| 21:43.36 | jhutchins_lt | hsa2: In this case, you could use the source repo from squeeze instead of sid, or you could go ahead and try sid. |
| 21:44.16 | jhutchins_lt | k\-: You'd probably be looking for an actual DNS setup. |
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| 21:44.53 | hsa2 | jhutchins_lt, is this backport thing about compiling package from source? I didn't get it clearly. |
| 21:45.58 | k\- | ok jhutchins: so what i propose to do is have router ip's configed for <hostname> then allow dns to <hostname> when not connected to the local server.. |
| 21:46.23 | TheSarge | wow I shouldnt have installed the graphical enviroment after all, 45 mins of install :( not even 90% |
| 21:46.23 | k\- | but the /etc/hosts file doesn't seem to support this |
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| 21:47.01 | k\- | /configed/configured/ |
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| 21:54.52 | nsadmin | why not have <hostname> run a caching-only dns, and -always- have your dhcp refer to that? |
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| 21:57.57 | jhutchins_lt | hsa2: That second set of instructions is about how to build a .deb from the newer source so that it matches your system. |
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| 21:59.54 | k\- | damn i'm slow... why am i literally trying to duplicate the hostname: hmm... instead of "real.hostname.net" use "local.real.hostname.net" --sory guys.. |
| 22:00.00 | k\- | l8rz |
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| 22:01.20 | kz6090 | I just read a 3-yr old post. Do these problems still exist? I assume, from my limited understanding, they do: http://www.ethicalhacker.net/component/option,com_smf/Itemid,54/topic,1378.0/ |
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| 22:02.12 | abrotman | kz6090: which problems? Jquick summary) |
| 22:02.32 | abrotman | s/J/(/ |
| 22:02.47 | kz6090 | abrotman: escalated privileges from an "outsider" accessing sudo |
| 22:03.29 | kz6090 | vague, sry |
| 22:03.30 | abrotman | i would assume it's been fixed, is there a CVE? |
| 22:03.53 | kz6090 | idk. reading sudo.ws now... |
| 22:04.17 | abrotman | or if you mean a person misconfiguring sudo and a shell being acquired via an exploit, not much you can do but shoot the admin |
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| 22:05.12 | kz6090 | ...this is #debian, not #ubuntu. maybe i should've asked there? |
| 22:05.42 | abrotman | if thats what the article is about, yes |
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| 22:06.56 | kz6090 | abrotman, it's about sudo. i guess the answer is to simply not implement sudo at all, eh? |
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| 22:07.33 | abrotman | that is one option, another is to configure it correctly and understand the usage of it |
| 22:08.05 | kz6090 | any n00b-friendly sites explaining such proper usage? |
| 22:08.14 | abrotman | man sudo? :) |
| 22:08.21 | kz6090 | ha! hardly |
| 22:08.37 | karsten | kz6090: What exactly is your question? |
| 22:08.44 | abrotman | if you are unsre, disable it for now til you learn more |
| 22:08.48 | abrotman | unsure |
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| 22:09.24 | karsten | kz6090: sudo, used wisely, benefits security. Security is hard. There are problems found daily with tools, new and old. Some are quite intricate in their exploitation. |
| 22:09.37 | kz6090 | understood. thx abrotman and karsten. I will read more. |
| 22:10.16 | abrotman | karsten: configured poorly, it's a nightmare |
| 22:10.33 | kz6090 | karsten, yeah, i've read that. i got a boot virus the other week, for FSM knows what reason, and need to learn about security. I'll read much more. thanks, folks. |
| 22:10.36 | karsten | kz6090: Some of the theory stuff is pretty applicable. PUIS (Practical Unix and Internet Security) remains a good start. Bruce Schneier's _Applied Cryptography_ is antother. your distros' security mailing list or alerts list is a good place to be. |
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| 22:11.13 | karsten | abrotman: Correct. A lot of implementations / configurations assume a lot of trust on the part of admins, and if you don't trust your admins, sudo becomes a huge impediment to Getting Shit Done. |
| 22:11.18 | kz6090 | good info. will do. thanks! |
| 22:11.33 | karsten | kz6090: FSM? |
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| 22:11.51 | kz6090 | flying spaghetti monster = god |
| 22:11.58 | karsten | Dig. |
| 22:12.09 | kz6090 | again, thx folks. |
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| 22:12.16 | karsten | doesn't believe in high-carb deities. |
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| 22:12.34 | abrotman | its not always about the trust, some admins just dont understand what they are setting up |
| 22:12.56 | karsten | abrotman: Then you should ask yourself if you trust them ;-) |
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| 22:13.30 | abrotman | i didnt mean the users of sudo, the person setting it up |
| 22:13.36 | jhutchins_lt | karsten: Not trusting your admins is generally an impediment to getting anything useful done. |
| 22:13.54 | karsten | jhutchins_lt: Especially when you are your admin. |
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| 22:14.32 | karsten | jhutchins_lt: It also expands the scope of security to competent management, admins, and recruitment. |
| 22:14.51 | jhutchins_lt | I remember the days when I'd get to the point where it would say "If you don't know what to put here, ask your Network Administrator". Dang it, I AM my network administrator! |
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| 22:15.33 | karsten | jhutchins_lt: I hate messages like that. |
| 22:15.36 | karsten | :) |
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| 22:19.04 | emre | hi |
| 22:19.24 | emre | anyone help me about postfix? |
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| 22:20.04 | abrotman | emre: ask here or #postfix |
| 22:20.19 | KB1JWQ | !ask |
| 22:20.19 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 22:20.44 | emre | i asked on postfix but can not get response |
| 22:21.12 | abrotman | which version of postfix? dpkg -l postfix |
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| 22:21.40 | emre | 2.5.5-1.1 |
| 22:21.42 | tharkun | puts his money on red 2.5 |
| 22:22.02 | abrotman | judd: versions postfix |
| 22:22.05 | judd | Package postfix on i386 -- etch: 2.3.8-2+etch1; etch-security: 2.3.8-2+etch1; etch-backports: 2.5.5-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 2.5.5-1.1; sid: 2.7.1-1; squeeze: 2.7.1-1 |
| 22:22.06 | jhutchins_lt | emre: #postfix is more active during the european work day. |
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| 22:22.26 | abrotman | emre: so ask your question |
| 22:22.29 | Tekk_ | my squeeze install isn't detecting my ethernet |
| 22:22.34 | emre | i install postd |
| 22:22.45 | Tekk_ | when I click on network manager it says that the device isn't managed |
| 22:22.46 | emre | i install postfix with mysql support |
| 22:22.52 | abrotman | Tekk_: which device? lspci -nn |
| 22:23.13 | Tekk_ | abrotman: broadcom netlink |
| 22:23.31 | Tekk_ | I know it's supported, I've run arch, ubuntu and slax on this computer |
| 22:23.31 | emre | i try to connect smtp server from external machine |
| 22:23.35 | abrotman | Tekk_: that just means n-m wont touch it. did you try your interfaces file? |
| 22:23.58 | emre | i can connect without ssl |
| 22:24.04 | Tekk_ | abrotman: no, not yep |
| 22:24.06 | Tekk_ | yet* |
| 22:24.20 | emre | but con not with ssl |
| 22:25.19 | emre | i see this log message in mail.log |
| 22:25.20 | emre | verification failed: Name or service not known |
| 22:25.43 | abrotman | emre: and thats it? |
| 22:25.59 | jhutchins_lt | Tekk_: What have you done so far to configure it? |
| 22:26.32 | Tekk_ | jhutchins_lt: nothing yet, looking in interfaces now |
| 22:26.38 | jhutchins_lt | !nm squeeze |
| 22:26.38 | dpkg | Wired network interfaces are not managed by default as of network-manager 0.7.1-1. See http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager#NetworkManagerinSqueeze and http://bugs.debian.org/530024 for further details; related <Pidgin> bug: http://bugs.debian.org/545143 |
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| 22:26.48 | emre | yes |
| 22:26.59 | Tekk_ | ah |
| 22:27.22 | Tekk_ | yeah, I can see that being a problem that's in the way of this becoming stable :P |
| 22:28.03 | jhutchins_lt | emre: This might be useful: http://www.debianadmin.com/debian-mail-server-setup-with-postfix-dovecot-sasl-squirrel-mail.html |
| 22:29.45 | doublehp | how can i clear a SMART journal error ? |
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| 22:30.59 | jhutchins_lt | doublehp: Have you looked at the smartctl manpage? |
| 22:31.42 | doublehp | jhutchins_lt: yes, and also the web doc AND FAQ |
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| 22:36.16 | jhutchins_lt | doublehp: I thought I remembered seeing something on the manpage. |
| 22:36.58 | doublehp | jhutchins_lt: http://osdir.com/ml/linux.utilities.smartmontools/2004-01/msg00016.html ... if you have any thing that can proove this page is wrong ... |
| 22:37.04 | jhutchins_lt | heirloom-mailx? |
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| 22:41.45 | jhutchins_lt | Well, let's see what happens when I close the lid on squeeze. |
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| 22:46.08 | monkey_d_luffy | doublehp: how do you use that smartools feature? do you have smartctl do a test every day/week? I was also interested in getting information (temperature, errors, etc) from disks in a more active way. And not just instead when I remember (every 6 months or so) |
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| 22:47.06 | monkey_d_luffy | what setup do you have? |
| 22:47.40 | doublehp | monkey_d_luffy: i have smartmond running, munin graphing, and home made script running in cron to ensure I am warned twice for each problem, and run more tests than smartd |
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| 22:48.14 | doublehp | monkey_d_luffy: hddtemp has it's own layer for temps; gkrellm AND munin, both, can use both hddtemp and smart layers |
| 22:48.18 | jhutchins_lt | Is there something more like kpowersave in squeeze than the battery monitor? |
| 22:48.25 | TheSarge | if I did a install with the graphical enviroment is there an easy way to go back to a non graphical system? |
| 22:48.41 | doublehp | so, i have the temps in gkrellm, and have a yearly graph |
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| 22:48.49 | stew | TheSarge: tasksel remove desktop |
| 22:49.04 | doublehp | don't know kpowerthing ... |
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| 22:49.29 | doublehp | TheSarge: ctrl+alt+F1 |
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| 22:50.05 | TheSarge | doublehp: I mean removing the packages and making it boot into a tty obviously. |
| 22:50.16 | TheSarge | stew I just have a blinking cursor now? |
| 22:50.25 | doublehp | jhutchins_lt what's wrong with gkrellm ? |
| 22:50.25 | TheSarge | nvm lol |
| 22:50.44 | doublehp | TheSarge: aptitude remove xorg |
| 22:50.45 | doublehp | or |
| 22:50.54 | doublehp | switch to level 2 in inittab |
| 22:51.07 | doublehp | or, just rename S99xdm into K99xdm in rc3.d |
| 22:51.09 | snamus | yeah |
| 22:51.12 | stew | (level 2 being the default that he is probably already running) |
| 22:51.15 | doublehp | or, many other alernatives |
| 22:51.25 | snamus | init 3 |
| 22:51.27 | stew | he meant rc2.d not rc3.d |
| 22:51.32 | doublehp | jhutchins_lt tried conky ? |
| 22:51.48 | doublehp | stew: 2 is the default now in debian ? |
| 22:51.49 | TheSarge | stew: Thanks? |
| 22:51.57 | jhutchins_lt | doublehp: Um, 2 is the default runlevel in debian, and it runs the GUI. |
| 22:52.03 | stew | init 3 will take him from runlevel 2 to runelevel 3 which is probably exactly the same, unless he did something special |
| 22:52.07 | stew | doublehp: always has been the default |
| 22:52.10 | doublehp | that's not UNIX compliant :/ |
| 22:52.20 | stew | sure it is |
| 22:52.25 | doublehp | X is 5 |
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| 22:52.30 | stew | says who? |
| 22:52.40 | snamus | x is 4 by default no? |
| 22:52.43 | doublehp | many old UNIX |
| 22:52.54 | stew | snamus: 2-5 are all the same by default in debian |
| 22:53.01 | doublehp | I learnt on BSD and Solaris |
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| 22:53.06 | thepro4ever | i think i somehow screwed over my environment variables, when i type the command "iceweasel README.html" I now get the error Error: no display specified |
| 22:53.09 | jhutchins_lt | doublehp: It's not really useful as configured by debian, but there really isn't an official sysv standard, just a convention. |
| 22:53.12 | TheSarge | stew i dont need to change any runlevels after using taskel right? |
| 22:53.18 | stew | TheSarge: right |
| 22:53.22 | thepro4ever | whats wrong with my box? |
| 22:53.42 | doublehp | jhutchins_lt: you are not very good in answering direct questions ... |
| 22:53.45 | stew | thepro4ever: your DISPLAY environment variable isn't set |
| 22:53.53 | monkey_d_luffy | doublehp: why do you use hddtemp if smartmontools already provides temp? what do you mean by "hddtemp has it's own layer for temps" ? |
| 22:53.58 | stew | doublehp: what question? |
| 22:54.00 | thepro4ever | stew: what do I need to do man |
| 22:54.12 | jhutchins_lt | doublehp: No, I haven't tried conky, I'm looking for how to specify what the powersaver does when I close the laptop lid. |
| 22:54.33 | stew | thepro4ever: "export DISPLAY=:0" perhaps |
| 22:54.58 | jhutchins_lt | TheSarge: You can remove xorg, you can use rcconf to turn off gdm. |
| 22:55.09 | doublehp | monkey_d_luffy: some tools prefer hddtemp over direct SMART access; SMART requires root access; hddtempd is a network daemon, so, nobody can read it. Better for things like gkrellm |
| 22:55.14 | jhutchins_lt | TheSarge: you can uninstall gnome. |
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| 22:55.39 | TheSarge | jhutchins_lt: Problem was solved with one command from stew, thats what I wanted simple :) |
| 22:55.41 | doublehp | jhutchins_lt: HAL does this; look around HAL |
| 22:55.44 | stew | TheSarge: the command I gave you should do both things that jhutchins_lt is suggesting |
| 22:56.08 | TheSarge | Ya I think so |
| 22:57.09 | jhutchins_lt | doublehp: In lenny/kde it's MANAGED by kpowersave, and that allows configuraiton. What's the "right way" in kde4/squeeze? |
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| 22:58.13 | monkey_d_luffy | doublehp: you seem to be very cautious about HDD health. From your experience are the smart values reliable? (have disks died without warning?) What do you mean by "run more tests than smartd"? Any other tool that is better than smartmontools? |
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| 22:59.28 | jhutchins_lt | And if system settings in the System Settings menu require root privilages, how do I get root privilages? Launch KDE as root? |
| 22:59.46 | doublehp | jhutchins_lt i stopped using debian in 2005. kpowersave is just a front-head anyway ; and i don't think it can affect the behaviour of the system before you login ... and, in the best case, it's a front head for HAL anyway ... and if it's a KDE tool, i hate KDE |
| 23:00.11 | jhutchins_lt | doublehp: So you have no useful answer for me <grin>. |
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| 23:01.03 | TheSarge | This stupid server has some log that is full and at boo time I have to press F1 to continue, pulling battery doesnt fix? This server is for remote access only.. |
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| 23:01.34 | TheSarge | so I am at a delima! Looked it up and it says to clear the log you need a CD to boot from the board manufacturer... |
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| 23:01.57 | kexman_ | hello |
| 23:02.19 | kexman_ | i have a strange problem |
| 23:02.20 | jhutchins_lt | TheSarge: Cant get at it from the BIOS? |
| 23:02.25 | doublehp | monkey_d_luffy: i dont understand how smartd works; so, i know how my own scripts do the job. I care more and more with time; values are 99% reliable. error means >/dev/bin . No error means 99% reliable. Some errors are harmless. Any way, i do raid, and backup, so, usually, i swap a disk before i have time to get issues with it. and no, never found anything else than smartmontools |
| 23:02.29 | jhutchins_lt | TheSarge: You can usually download those CD's. |
| 23:02.39 | kexman_ | Unknown file system type on /dev/loop0 (/live/image//casper/filesystem.squashfs) when loading , i get the logo and this message and then there is nothing in live.log ... |
| 23:02.44 | TheSarge | jhutchins_lt: No I checked, simple phoenix bios no options for the log |
| 23:03.21 | doublehp | monkey_d_luffy: anyway, smartmontools is way BETTER than manifacturer tools - which fails randomly, and are unable to even detect broken disks, when smartctl under linux can at least see them ... (Windows kernel will refuse compleetely access to broken disks ) |
| 23:03.34 | TheSarge | jhutchins_lt: This thing is ancient, I have had no luck finding the cd image yet |
| 23:03.54 | LinuxGuy2009 | Are there any docs in the DVD repo set that I can look at on my offline machine to get a list of all or most kernel options? |
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| 23:04.04 | doublehp | monkey_d_luffy: single fact manif tools depends in Microsoft kernel make them ALL inferior to any free Linux tool. |
| 23:04.09 | thepro4ever | whats the command to purge remove a package |
| 23:04.33 | jhutchins_lt | doublehp: I think you're beating a dead monkey. |
| 23:04.40 | doublehp | kexman_: SATA CD ? |
| 23:04.45 | LinuxGuy2009 | apt-get purge <package> |
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| 23:04.59 | jhutchins_lt | !kernel options |
| 23:05.02 | abrotman | LinuxGuy2009: the source for kernel should have it |
| 23:05.24 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: There's a guide I stumbled across a while back... I think it's from kernel.org |
| 23:05.34 | LinuxGuy2009 | abrotman: So that would be the linux-headers packages correct? |
| 23:05.49 | doublehp | jhutchins_lt: i talk from experience. |
| 23:05.57 | abrotman | LinuxGuy2009: linux-source at least ... |
| 23:06.13 | TheSarge | How can I see if a service is running? |
| 23:06.21 | TheSarge | or what ftp servers are running? |
| 23:06.22 | abrotman | LinuxGuy2009: there is also the linux-doc packge |
| 23:06.40 | abrotman | TheSarge: ps ? |
| 23:06.52 | LinuxGuy2009 | abrotman: cool thanks very much |
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| 23:08.28 | stew | TheSarge: use netstat to see what is listening to port 21 |
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| 23:10.10 | kpkarl | Hi, I've heard it's possible to dual-boot debian on the Nokia N900. However, I can't seem to find a tutorial on google. Can anyone point me to one? |
| 23:10.42 | TheSarge | whats an easy to use not VIM cli text editor? |
| 23:11.20 | stew | TheSarge: what? "use not VIM cli" what? are you saying vim is the default but you want something else to be the default? or what? |
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| 23:12.52 | TheSarge | I just want to know the name of a clik text editor that is easy to use, and I don't want to use vi or vim. |
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| 23:13.05 | TheSarge | CLI* |
| 23:13.18 | monkey_d_luffy | doublehp: ok, thanks for the talk on your approach. Maybe I should set some cron jobs for smartmontools testing. |
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| 23:13.27 | sl0ppy | updating from etch to lenny, is there any surprises that might happen? i'm just doing apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 23:13.37 | TheSarge | The one I am thinking of is like pecos or something like that |
| 23:13.37 | abrotman | !tell sl0ppy about etch->lenny |
| 23:13.40 | AimHere | nano seems to be ubiquitous, text-editorwise these days |
| 23:14.05 | sl0ppy | abrotman: ok thanks |
| 23:14.17 | sl0ppy | does this require reboot after it's done? |
| 23:14.35 | AimHere | But if you're REALLY hostile to vi/vim, TheSarge , then theres always emacs -nw |
| 23:14.37 | abrotman | yes .. you're you're installing a new kenrel |
| 23:14.40 | sl0ppy | i wonder how library dependencies are handled |
| 23:15.09 | stew | TheSarge: pico |
| 23:15.14 | stew | err nano |
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| 23:15.25 | stew | TheSarge: which is probably the one you get when you run "editor" |
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| 23:16.16 | AimHere | TheSarge, also, if you run synaptic (and maybe aptitude's curses menu too), then there's a whole section on Editors with hundreds of the damn things to pick from |
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| 23:17.41 | Articate | so, if I have debian sarge, I can't use anything but sarge releases, right? |
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| 23:18.03 | Articate | trying to find mkvtoolnix for sarge with sparc processor :/ |
| 23:18.06 | karsten | Articate: Generally not. There are backports, however. |
| 23:18.37 | karsten | Articate: Any particular reason you're using a 5 year old release? |
| 23:18.44 | AimHere | In theory it might be possible that .deb files made for another verision/OS might work, but they'd be highly unrecommended |
| 23:18.58 | TheSarge | AimHere: I know this I was asking for the channels suggestions not a list of known editors lmao |
| 23:19.13 | Articate | ReadyNAS duo, karsten |
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| 23:19.23 | karsten | Articate: ?? |
| 23:19.29 | Articate | a NAS by Netgear |
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| 23:19.36 | Articate | got debian sarge |
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| 23:19.58 | TheSarge | I am reading the interfaces man and am still confused howto set a static IP? |
| 23:20.17 | karsten | Articate: Why are you mucking with it if it's a vendor device? |
| 23:20.33 | tacomaster | if i manually set up my partitions and set up a /boot, swap, /, and /home. my applications will fall under / right? |
| 23:20.56 | Articate | it's got full root and I want to mux HD files so it can serve the files to devices that can't read .mkv |
| 23:21.07 | karsten | TheSarge: /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
| 23:21.18 | karsten | TheSarge: 2nd example, eth0, is a static 192.168 config. |
| 23:21.42 | karsten | If the APT HOWTO is obsolete, what docs replace it? |
| 23:21.50 | karsten | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html |
| 23:22.35 | doublehp | monkey_d_luffy: a properly configured Munin is way the best of all |
| 23:22.39 | jpinx-eeepc | tacomaster: do you mean during installation ? |
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| 23:23.04 | tacomaster | jpinx-eeepc: yes |
| 23:23.15 | LinuxGuy2009 | abrotman: Hmm I checked linux-source-2.6.26 in /usr/share/doc/ I dont see any options listed. Is there some other package that I should install and check for the list of kernel options? |
| 23:23.16 | doublehp | monkey_d_luffy: it just does not launch the self-tests , but that's really the only missing part. cron or smartd can do that bit. Munin handles EVERY THING else |
| 23:23.35 | tacomaster | jpinx-eeepc: because i want to make sure i allow enough room to download programs with out filling up that partition |
| 23:23.54 | abrotman | LinuxGuy2009: linux-doc .. oi said that |
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| 23:24.32 | TheSarge | karsten: Thx, what file do I edit the inerfaces though? |
| 23:24.38 | jpinx-eeepc | tacomaster: during install you can set up partitions any way you like.. |
| 23:24.47 | LinuxGuy2009 | abrotman:Ah my bad. Thanks. |
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| 23:24.54 | stew | karsten: perhaps chapter 2 of the debian reference? |
| 23:25.50 | TheSarge | karsten: ? |
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| 23:26.52 | dondelelcaro | TheSarge: any editor will do |
| 23:27.00 | Articate | I'm still fairly new to linux - when I say apt-get install something - it looks through the sources.list and searches all those for the 'something' in question? |
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| 23:27.30 | TheSarge | dondelelcaro: What are you talking about? I need to know the file not the editor... |
| 23:27.34 | jpinx-eeepc | Articate: please use aptitude rather than apt-get |
| 23:27.42 | karsten | stew: Yeah, was looking at that. Osamu Aoki's done a *really* nice job with it. |
| 23:27.48 | Articate | how come, jpinx-eeepc? |
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| 23:27.57 | TheSarge | Whats wrong with apt-get? |
| 23:28.20 | karsten | !tell TheSarge about why aptitude |
| 23:28.32 | jpinx-eeepc | karsten: done |
| 23:28.35 | NotInternat | hey is there a way to compare to directories and see if they are identical in contents or not? |
| 23:28.44 | karsten | TheSarge: ... and that's just a partial list. aptitude is the preferred and supported apt CLI interface. |
| 23:28.49 | karsten | NotInternat: diff. |
| 23:28.51 | stew | NotInternat: diff -r |
| 23:29.01 | karsten | NotInternat: You mean by filename, or by file contents? |
| 23:29.09 | NotInternat | checksum of file would be nice |
| 23:29.15 | jpinx-eeepc | Articate: and basically you are right - aptitude looks at your sources.list and goes to the referenced reppos to find what youa sked for |
| 23:29.16 | Articate | then I've gotta check if there's a sarge sparc release for aptitude |
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| 23:29.47 | jpinx-eeepc | Articate: ah - probably not . I didn't see your strange requiements ;) |
| 23:29.49 | TheSarge | karsten: Can you tell me where to use the information I used in that example? What file do I edit for the interfaces? |
| 23:29.51 | karsten | NotInternat: md5sum of both directories will give you that. |
| 23:29.52 | Articate | :) |
| 23:30.17 | karsten | TheSarge: man 5 interfaces |
| 23:30.23 | kpkarl | just curious, why is aptitude preferred to apt-get? I've used both and don't really see a reason... |
| 23:30.24 | NotInternat | i didnt think md5sum can do direcotries? |
| 23:30.33 | TheSarge | karsten: I have read that, can you please tell me the file instead of ftfm? |
| 23:30.34 | karsten | !tell kpkarl about why aptitude |
| 23:30.59 | TheSarge | Its an opinion apt-get is just as good at dependency resolution. |
| 23:31.03 | karsten | TheSarge: Read the manual page again. |
| 23:31.15 | karsten | TheSarge: It's a fact that it isn't. |
| 23:31.26 | TheSarge | OMG, can someone tell me the file where you edit the interface information please? |
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| 23:31.41 | TheSarge | I read the man page 4 timesd |
| 23:31.41 | stew | TheSarge: man interfaces |
| 23:31.43 | TheSarge | times |
| 23:31.44 | Articate | in my case I see it's like "<url> sarge main <some more stuff>" |
| 23:31.47 | karsten | TheSarge: We're not here to spoon-feed you information that's at the top of the recommended documentation. Learn to fend for yourself or find another idiot to help you. |
| 23:31.49 | stew | TheSarge: read the first sentence |
| 23:31.53 | karsten | TheSarge: Read it harder. |
| 23:31.57 | Articate | since it doesn't specify that it's sparc, I suppose that's something apt-get takes care of? |
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| 23:32.04 | kpkarl | ok. So it's a user interface thing? My one big issue with aptitude is how it does a auto-remove automatically |
| 23:32.09 | TheSarge | Wow just tell me jesus |
| 23:32.16 | TheSarge | It isnt on my man page |
| 23:32.18 | stew | TheSarge: read the first line of the manpage |
| 23:32.33 | TheSarge | This is why no one uses debian anymore, are you serious right now? |
| 23:32.38 | stew | are you? |
| 23:32.40 | TheSarge | Ill ask in #ubuntu wow. |
| 23:32.53 | themill | !man interfaces |
| 23:32.53 | dpkg | man interfaces is probably at http://manpages.debian.net/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=interfaces where you can view many Debian man pages. Ask me about <docs> <dmp> <grounding> <search>. |
| 23:33.01 | TheSarge | Wow that was hard took 3 secs for someone to answer me. |
| 23:33.12 | TheSarge | I RTFM when I have time not when I am on the job. |
| 23:33.16 | stew | TheSarge: the beginning of the manpage is "/etc/network/interfaces - network interface configuration for ifup and ifdown" the firs tline of the description is "/etc/network/interfaces contains network interface configuration..." |
| 23:33.32 | jpinx-eeepc | TheSarge: wind your neck in - we are all volunteers here :p |
| 23:34.03 | themill | TheSarge: you'd find it easier to ask in #ubuntu if you were actually in that channel. Now feel free to help yourself as you go. |
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| 23:34.14 | TheSarge | Well you guys wonder why Debian is dying, there is your answer. Poor community. |
| 23:34.27 | Articate | I prefer it this way :> |
| 23:34.30 | TheSarge | I am in #Ubuntu lmao. |
| 23:34.31 | Articate | bye bye, TheSarge |
| 23:34.38 | ciphernaut` | wow. |
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| 23:35.02 | themill | TheSarge: how about you take a break from #debian to give you a chance to read that man page carefully. |
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| 23:35.23 | jordanm | looks like I just missed the fun |
| 23:35.32 | stew | not that I'm aware of |
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| 23:35.49 | Articate | I'll try again :) |
| 23:36.02 | Articate | with sources.list with apt-get, in my case, I see it's like "<url> sarge main <some more stuff>" |
| 23:36.05 | rgr | man interfaces is a nightmare for many not already familiar with it. And recommending it over a simple answer for someone in a rush is pretty pointless. |
| 23:36.07 | Articate | since it doesn't specify that it's sparc, I suppose that's something apt-get takes care of? |
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| 23:36.25 | karsten | rgr: The answer is in the first sentence of the file. |
| 23:36.47 | rgr | some answer "this is the file". |
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| 23:37.26 | stew | Articate: yes, apt knows intrisicly what the installed arch is |
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| 23:37.34 | phogg | Articate: apt knows. For details ask in #debian |
| 23:37.47 | karsten | rgr: If you want to encourage laziness, be my guest. "Clues for the Clueful" is my motto. Brains for the brainless is beyond my pay grade. |
| 23:37.52 | jpinx-eeepc | Articate: I have no knowledge of sparc, but you need to double check your sources.list for the release you need |
| 23:38.19 | jpinx-eeepc | !sarge |
| 23:38.19 | dpkg | Sarge is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 3.1, released June 6th, 2005. Sarge security support ended on 2008-03-31, this release is no longer supported. Sarge users should upgrade to Etch, ask me about <sarge->etch>. Removed from the mirrors; ask me about <sarge sources.list>, <sarge-backports>. Get old Sarge ISOs here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r8/ http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSarge |
| 23:38.23 | Articate | phogg, isn't this #debian? :) |
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| 23:38.37 | phogg | Articate: aha, it is |
| 23:38.41 | Articate | :D |
| 23:38.47 | anymouse | !woody |
| 23:38.47 | dpkg | Woody is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 3.0, released on July 19, 2002. Ask me about <woody->sarge>. Security support for woody was terminated on 2006-06-30. Woody was archived on 2007-01-10, ISOs are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/images/3.0_r6/ . Ask me about <woody sources.list>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWoody |
| 23:38.50 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell Articate about sparc , sarge |
| 23:38.51 | phogg | Articate: I have my channels in the wrong order today |
| 23:38.55 | phogg | I remember nt4 install disks doing a "detecting arch" step, which always made me wonder "Why can't you tell what arch you were compiled for?" |
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| 23:39.12 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell Articate about sparc |
| 23:39.54 | jpinx-eeepc | Articate: see #debian-sparc maybe ;) |
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| 23:41.10 | Articate | cheers :) |
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| 23:41.48 | Articate | Unluckily, I doubt I can update my sarge |
| 23:42.23 | jpinx-eeepc | Articate: I hope it's not on a pubic netwrok - there's no security support |
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| 23:43.24 | Richiie_1 | i have major problems in mu Debian 5 Sid |
| 23:43.45 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell Richiie_1 about sid |
| 23:43.47 | Richiie_1 | my Apt is broken and i don't know how to fix it.. i try to reconfigure it but it wont help! please could anyone help me |
| 23:44.24 | Articate | so, no security support, that would imply that there's no one looking for new security holes? meaning if someone found something, it's not fixed and won't be? |
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| 23:44.59 | Richiie_1 | jpinx-eeepc: So Sid is not supported here? |
| 23:45.08 | stew | Articate: yes, there are holes that have been found and won't be fixed |
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| 23:45.15 | jpinx-eeepc | Articate: yep - no patches and no help |
| 23:45.18 | stew | Richiie_1: /msg dpkg bat |
| 23:45.39 | stew | Richiie_1: you have to give us more information for sure. what are you doing, what errors are you getting, what have you tried... |
| 23:45.40 | jpinx-eeepc | Richiie_1: usually people who run sid are good enought to sort themselves out and help everyone else ;)f |
| 23:45.40 | themill | Articate: meaning that there's a long pile of security holes already known and that people aren't even bothering to track new ones any more. (for over 4 years in fact) |
| 23:45.52 | Richiie_1 | stew: alright one moment. |
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| 23:46.03 | jordanm | Richiie_1: generally, no, but you can try. its at the discression of whoever is helping. sid users are expected to know how to get themselves out of messes, and file proper bug reports |
| 23:46.06 | Richiie_1 | jpinx-eeepc: yeah i know.. i understand your point |
| 23:46.10 | Articate | ouch. |
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| 23:48.14 | jpinx-eeepc | Richiie_1: did you try reinstalling apt? I'm totally guessing here ;) |
| 23:49.09 | Richiie_1 | jpinx-eeepc: nope i didn't because it depends on so much stuff on my server. |
| 23:49.30 | Richiie_1 | and if i uninstall apt i don't think that everything will come back when i install it again |
| 23:49.44 | jpinx-eeepc | Richiie_1: I think there is a reinstall that won't break stuff - maybe with --force |
| 23:50.10 | jpinx-eeepc | Richiie_1: man apt, man aptitude |
| 23:50.32 | karsten | Are there still non-us archives for unstable / testing? |
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| 23:50.59 | karsten | Nervermind, no, there isn't post-Woody. |
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| 23:51.59 | Richiie_1 | jpinx-eeepc: "the package dash needs to be reinstalled but i cant find an archive for it" |
| 23:52.05 | Richiie_1 | jpinx-eeepc: sudo apt-get install --reinstall dpkg |
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| 23:52.59 | Richiie_1 | jpinx-eeepc: lol.. |
| 23:53.00 | stew | Richiie_1: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy"? |
| 23:53.06 | Richiie_1 | stew: sure |
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| 23:53.54 | jordanm | ! Richiie_1 about why aptitude |
| 23:53.57 | Richiie_1 | stew: http://pastebin.com/afeAS6HU |
| 23:54.10 | jordanm | !tell Richiie_1 about why aptitude |
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| 23:54.41 | edbian | Is this the offical debian irc channel? |
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| 23:55.00 | jordanm | Richiie_1: you don't run sid at all. you actually run full ubuntu, most likely with those sources. |
| 23:55.01 | jpinx-eeepc | edbian: it's the same as the one you just left :p |
| 23:55.07 | jordanm | edbian: no, its on oftc |
| 23:55.08 | Richiie_1 | jordanm: yes my friend, i know aptitude is better but aptitude dosent help me neither in this case. |
| 23:55.13 | stew | edbian: there isn't really an official debian irc channel. this is the most popular, there are also many debian irc channels in irc.debian.org |
| 23:55.18 | jordanm | Richiie_1: running debian would |
| 23:55.30 | stew | Richiie_1: you ar running ubuntu? you should be asking in #ubuntu |
| 23:55.35 | edbian | jpinx-eeepc, I did not know that! Thanks jordanm stew |
| 23:55.56 | Richiie_1 | stew: Nope, running Debian 5 sid. just modified my repository list as u can see i added 9.04 Jaunty Jackalope |
| 23:56.03 | Richiie_1 | but that shoudlnt be a problem, |
| 23:56.06 | themill | Richiie_1: I don't know that you'll find anyone interested in supporting that Frankenbuntu |
| 23:56.06 | abrotman | that's not Debian anymore |
| 23:56.37 | jpinx-eeepc | lol @ themill |
| 23:56.42 | jordanm | Richiie_1: yeah.. you will likely no longer be supported by either community. either way it definatly would be a problem |
| 23:56.51 | stew | Richiie_1: you don't have sid sources. you are now running an abomination that probably won't be supported by either |
| 23:57.12 | rww | no need to say "probably"; #ubuntu won't support that. |
| 23:57.27 | edbian | How can I try the radeonfb driver in Debian? sudo modprobe radeonfb doesn't seem to do anything? |
| 23:57.30 | Richiie_1 | stew: thats weird i dont know what happend to my sid Repo :S |
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| 23:58.32 | Richiie_1 | jordanm: stew so what can i do then, ? |
| 23:59.00 | Richiie_1 | broken dpkg, no manual install of package "dash".deb, problems reconfigure dpkg :/ headache |
| 23:59.12 | rww | Richiie_1: pick one of Ubuntu or Debian, reinstall with it, and just use its repositories |
| 23:59.56 | Richiie_1 | rww: man, is that the solution? :/.. come on there's gotta be another easier way to fix this |
