| 00:00.13 | jpinx-eeepc | Richiie_1: back up your data and start again |
| 00:00.20 | themill | "easier"? no. There are other ways, but they're not easier. |
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| 00:00.35 | rww | Richiie_1: Probably, but nobody sane is going to try supporting a mix of Debian and an almost-unsupported Ubuntu version |
| 00:00.48 | rww | so reinstall with the distro of whoever you want support from... |
| 00:01.00 | thepro4ever | how can i see the creation date of files |
| 00:01.17 | jhutchins_lt | "... but that shouldn't be a problem" - WHAT? |
| 00:01.19 | abrotman | you cannot |
| 00:01.23 | themill | dpkg: tell thepro4ever about ctime |
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| 00:01.41 | abrotman | thepro4ever: stat filename .. but you won't see a creation time |
| 00:01.54 | thepro4ever | wtf so i can't know when a file was created |
| 00:01.56 | thepro4ever | WTF |
| 00:02.04 | themill | thepro4ever: the earliest of "modified time" and "changed time" is the best you can do |
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| 00:03.57 | thepro4ever | is there anyway to see what time i ran a command |
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| 00:04.27 | abrotman | depends on what the command did |
| 00:05.10 | rww | if it was sudo something-or-other, it'd be in /var/log/auth.log |
| 00:05.11 | thepro4ever | i ran an apt-get remove prontube earlier and i want to know what time |
| 00:05.22 | stew | thepro4ever: check /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 00:05.27 | Arrowmaster | i thought support for creation time was supposed to be getting added to the tools now that the major filesystems have it |
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| 00:05.45 | thepro4ever | windows nfs filesystems have it! |
| 00:06.13 | Arrowmaster | ext4 has it |
| 00:06.52 | themill | thepro4ever: it's not particularly useful given the number of programs that create a temp file, write to the temp file, delete the old file and rename the temp file, however. What should creation time be in that case? |
| 00:07.13 | thepro4ever | gahh i'm screwing my OS over more and more |
| 00:07.14 | stew | like any sane editor would replace the file when saving an edit |
| 00:07.37 | stew | so the create time would be the last time you saved it, i guess |
| 00:08.04 | thepro4ever | i busted all my games somehow with SDL |
| 00:08.13 | thepro4ever | none of them display anymore |
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| 00:13.40 | km | a fqhn is in the format of hostname.domainname.com as example? |
| 00:13.49 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 00:13.58 | km | thanks |
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| 00:15.18 | Articate | so, what could happen if I tried to apt-get something from an etch repo on a sarge release? |
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| 00:16.27 | Richiie_1 | rww: ok would u be happy if i removed all my ubuntu repositories? i mean there must be another way than reinstall |
| 00:16.40 | Richiie_1 | how about a live cd, is it possible to reinstall dpkg from it ? |
| 00:18.10 | abrotman | Richiie_1: your best answer is to backup your data and reinstall |
| 00:18.10 | jpinx-eeepc | Articate: you'd most lkely break it |
| 00:18.37 | jhutchins_lt | Richiie_1: Actually, what we support here is lenny, with backports as necessary. |
| 00:18.44 | abrotman | Articate: and why would you do that ... |
| 00:18.45 | jpinx-eeepc | Richiie_1: you've been given the recommendations from people who have vastly more exeprience than you appear to have. |
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| 00:19.40 | Articate | well, I need mkvtoolnix (or equivalent) on my NAS and the sarge release doesn't have a sparc bin |
| 00:20.30 | Articate | if I really can't do that, I would consider returning my NAS if I find a better option |
| 00:20.35 | Articate | so it's pretty pertinent :) |
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| 00:21.25 | abrotman | returning? it's brand new? |
| 00:21.25 | stew | Articate: why not upgrade it to a current release? |
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| 00:21.35 | Articate | because that won't work with my NAS |
| 00:21.39 | SARC | Does anyone have experience getting networking to work on Debian installed under Windows Virtual PC? |
| 00:21.40 | stew | its brand new and running an os that we dropped support for like 4 years ago? |
| 00:22.03 | Articate | I think the model is two years old, but I just bought it |
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| 00:22.42 | LinuxGuy2009 | I asked the wrong question. I need to know if there is a way to use the 5 DVD repo discs on an offline machine that show all of the kernel loadable modules. |
| 00:22.43 | abrotman | Articate: return it |
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| 00:23.00 | Articate | it's supported, but they said they can't change to etch until libc6 works |
| 00:23.14 | LinuxGuy2009 | or man page or whatever |
| 00:23.16 | Articate | I dunno how far along they are with that |
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| 00:24.37 | kwikness | I changed my hostname through the Network menu in Gnome and now my FTP server isn't working. Can someone help me? |
| 00:25.05 | kwikness | i've even tried changing it back and it still doesn't work =( |
| 00:25.42 | jhutchins_lt | LinuxGuy2009: Actually, the config file from /boot should show it. |
| 00:26.34 | kwikness | when i type hostname -a/s/f/d it says "unknown host" |
| 00:27.18 | jhutchins_lt | grep "=m" /boot/config<tab> |
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| 00:29.12 | LinuxGuy2009 | jhutchins_lt: ok ill check that. |
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| 00:29.42 | SARC | Anyone with experience with Debian under VM? |
| 00:29.45 | jhutchins_lt | kwikness: errors in the logs? |
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| 00:30.16 | kwikness | jhutchins_lt, which logs? |
| 00:30.25 | jhutchins_lt | SARC: Yes. I need to find out what the virtualizer is though, indistinguishable from hardware. |
| 00:30.59 | SARC | Windows VM 2007 |
| 00:31.02 | jhutchins_lt | kwikness: Dunno. Don't know which ftp server you're running. grep ftp /var/log/*? |
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| 00:32.33 | Richiie_1 | jpinx-eeepc: alright alright.. thanks for your time.. sorry to interrupt no need to be rude |
| 00:33.11 | kwikness | jhutchins_lt, proftpd |
| 00:33.48 | jhutchins_lt | """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""ER$$$$$444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444 |
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| 00:34.03 | jhutchins_lt | I}_P)U 6 uuuuuuuuuuuuu1~6 vcb` v`c ,mmmm |
| 00:34.47 | rww | jhutchins_lt has a cat. |
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| 00:35.07 | tharkun | No pets allowed ? |
| 00:35.09 | LinuxGuy2009 | Ok after finding what what module Im looking for, how do I find out what to add to the grub menu entry for my kernel to set a custom option for that module? |
| 00:35.15 | jhutchins_lt | Yep. Cat says I'm done with IRC for the night. |
| 00:36.25 | Richiie_1 | themill: just got a question for you sir, how come u appear to "hate" ubuntu (Frankenbuntu) ? :P |
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| 00:37.18 | themill | Richiie_1: that's more of a comment on the strange and unnatural mess you have created there. It's not debian and not ubuntu anymore and no-one wants to know about it. |
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| 00:42.23 | monkey_d_luffy | is anyone using kexec to handle reboots? has anyone done: dpkg-reconfigure kexec-tools and choose to let kexec to handle reboots? I don't understand how this works. I can't just type reboot, right? And I just checked and reboot links to halt... O_O |
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| 00:44.56 | LinuxGuy2009 | Like if I want to see what custom settings the loop device kernel module has and how to type it on the grub kernel line? |
| 00:45.13 | abrotman | it's a module .. |
| 00:45.17 | Articate | wow - with a D-Link NAS I can chroot into debian |
| 00:45.33 | Articate | maybe that's my new unit |
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| 00:48.39 | LinuxGuy2009 | abrotman: Yes but there is for example a way to change the default max number of loop devices for example. So how do I look up how to add that to the grub kernel entry and also see options for other modules? |
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| 00:49.52 | abrotman | oh .. IIRC that requires a recompile |
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| 00:53.55 | akio | Where can I find serial console instructions for squeeze? (I don't know that it isn't different from Lenny) |
| 00:54.29 | abrotman | akio: i'd imagine it's the same |
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| 00:54.43 | akio | I'll try with that. |
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| 00:56.54 | akio | Actually if I had opened up /etc/inittab I would have seen a nice perfect example commented out. I love Debian. |
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| 00:58.18 | thepro4ever | why does removing a directory only take a second but extracting a tar file to recreate it take forever |
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| 01:00.44 | nevyn | thepro4ever: because one changes about a byte. |
| 01:00.54 | nevyn | the other changes the sizes of the directory twice |
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| 01:02.46 | akio | grub2 instead of grub |
| 01:02.48 | tacomaster | jhutchins_lt: you there? |
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| 01:03.46 | LinuxGuy2009 | I see there is a command "modinfo" but I cant figure out the command format to get info for the "loop" module. |
| 01:04.19 | nevyn | LinuxGuy2009: modinfo -p loop |
| 01:04.33 | rww | sudo modinfo loop works fine for me... |
| 01:05.10 | abrotman | what do you need sudo for? |
| 01:05.28 | LinuxGuy2009 | nevyn: no output |
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| 01:05.55 | abrotman | LinuxGuy2009: did you compile your own kenrel ? |
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| 01:06.10 | rww | abrotman: because I'm running as a non-root user and it's in my finger memory more than su -c ;) |
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| 01:06.19 | abrotman | rww: /sbin/modinfo ... |
| 01:06.20 | tacomaster | any one here have experiance with the rt2870sta chipset ? because i tired to do what was on http://wiki.debian.org/rt2870sta but now i just have alot of errors on boot and when i log in i get this message about a kernel failure? |
| 01:06.28 | rww | abrotman: good point |
| 01:06.37 | LinuxGuy2009 | abrotman: no |
| 01:06.54 | abrotman | LinuxGuy2009: what is 'uname -r' ? |
| 01:08.21 | abrotman | didn't think that was a hard question |
| 01:08.27 | LinuxGuy2009 | abrotman: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 I installed that kernel from lenny backports. |
| 01:08.46 | abrotman | well .. when i type modinfo -p loop, i get |
| 01:08.54 | abrotman | max_part:Maximum number of partitions per loop device |
| 01:08.54 | abrotman | max_loop:Maximum number of loop devices |
| 01:09.13 | LinuxGuy2009 | I get command not found |
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| 01:09.29 | abrotman | LinuxGuy2009: /sbin/modinfo -p loop |
| 01:09.31 | stew | LinuxGuy2009: /sbin/modinfo |
| 01:09.42 | abrotman | thinks "command not found' is different than 'no output' |
| 01:09.50 | LinuxGuy2009 | oh 1 sec |
| 01:10.02 | stew | abrotman: its on stderr not stdout though :) |
| 01:10.12 | abrotman | not funny! |
| 01:10.33 | LinuxGuy2009 | abrotman: You da man! Thats what I needed. Perfect. |
| 01:10.51 | abrotman | i da man! i da man! |
| 01:10.56 | abrotman | who da man? |
| 01:11.00 | abrotman | i da man! |
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| 01:11.36 | monkey_d_luffy | can I add any option to the kernel command-line to boot into single user mode? |
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| 01:12.19 | LinuxGuy2009 | Ok so I want to start by increasing the number of loop devices to the max. So on the end of the grub kernel entry I just add "max_loops=<number>"? |
| 01:12.35 | monkey_d_luffy | nevermind... |
| 01:12.37 | abrotman | LinuxGuy2009: /etc/modprobe.d/ ? |
| 01:12.47 | jhutchins_lt | tacomaster: yo. |
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| 01:13.19 | LinuxGuy2009 | abrotman: Ok Ill try that. |
| 01:13.33 | cesurasean | Can someone explain why I'm getting this after running 'nautilus -q' - (nautilus:2192): EggSMClient-WARNING **: Failed to connect to the session manager: None of the authentication protocols specified are supported |
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| 01:14.01 | I-are- | hello, I am currently a CS major and my school is big on teaching C#. I am running debian and want to know whether to install the MonoDevelop packages in debian, which are only testing, unstable, or source; what problems I might see from doing this or if I should just use C# on a windows machine with visual studio. |
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| 01:15.09 | jhutchins_lt | tacomaster: What kernel are you running? |
| 01:15.12 | abrotman | judd: versions monodevelop |
| 01:15.15 | judd | Package monodevelop on i386 -- lenny: 1.0+dfsg-3; lenny-backports: 2.2.1+dfsg-1~bpo50+1; sid: 2.4+dfsg-3; squeeze: 2.4+dfsg-3 |
| 01:15.20 | abrotman | !tell I-are- about bpo |
| 01:15.29 | tacomaster | jhutchins_lt: ok first off dont take it as me blaming you im not just trying to find out what to do next |
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| 01:15.51 | jhutchins_lt | I'm pretty thick skinned - moderated FIDOnet echos for years. |
| 01:16.10 | tacomaster | jhutchins_lt: uname -r gave me 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 01:17.06 | jhutchins_lt | tacomaster: Ok, enable bacports (/msg dpkg bpo) just for the heck of it upgrade to the .32 kernel |
| 01:18.46 | tacomaster | jhutchins_lt: ok let me boot back in to the bpo kernel real fast |
| 01:18.53 | abrotman | I-are-: got what you need? |
| 01:18.58 | I-are- | abrotman, thanks I have the backports repo enabled and did an apt-cache and monodevelop is in there. thanks |
| 01:19.03 | abrotman | enjoy |
| 01:19.11 | jhutchins_lt | if anybody cares, it's not that we hate ubuntu (most of us don't, some do), we hate wasting everybody's time trying to figure out a problem only to find out that it's not a debian system and our answers don't apply. |
| 01:19.12 | I-are- | well apt-cache search to be ... |
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| 01:19.37 | I-are- | which is precisely why there is #ubuntu... |
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| 01:20.22 | cesurasean | (08:17:42 PM) cesurasean: Can someone explain why I'm getting this after running 'nautilus -q' - (nautilus:2192): EggSMClient-WARNING **: Failed to connect to the session manager: None of the authentication protocols specified are supported |
| 01:20.40 | I-are- | and some consider that ubuntu == debian unstable unstable... |
| 01:20.45 | abrotman | cesurasean: if you logout/login .. do they go away |
| 01:20.48 | abrotman | I-are-: they are very wrong |
| 01:21.28 | cesurasean | no |
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| 01:21.37 | cesurasean | everytime i try to connect it says some config is wrong. |
| 01:21.49 | cesurasean | where are the config files for nautilus? |
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| 01:22.07 | abrotman | not a file .. ti's in gconf |
| 01:22.11 | cesurasean | it seems nautilus has to start correctly for DropBox to work correctly.... |
| 01:22.15 | abrotman | most of it is anyway |
| 01:22.18 | tacomaster | jhutchins_lt: ok im in that back port kernel now |
| 01:22.27 | cesurasean | where is gconf? |
| 01:22.27 | I-are- | abrotman, I agree. I have seen that ubuntu puts quite a bit of work into making sure their system is as stable as can considering all the new stuff they try to add. |
| 01:22.32 | jhutchins_lt | cesurasean: It's in the gnome registry. |
| 01:22.35 | abrotman | I-are-: they fail |
| 01:22.40 | jhutchins_lt | tacomaster: Any improvement? |
| 01:22.48 | I-are- | abrotman, yes they do but they try |
| 01:22.56 | tacomaster | jhutchins_lt and uname -r says 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 |
| 01:23.11 | SARC | love you guys |
| 01:23.16 | I-are- | abrotman, and some say that tryin is dyin... |
| 01:23.33 | cesurasean | but, what does this mean exactly? and where is the config files to change it? - (nautilus:2303): EggSMClient-WARNING **: Failed to connect to the session manager: None of the authentication protocols specified are supported |
| 01:23.37 | jhutchins_lt | tacomaster: Yeah, but any difference in how it starts? You said you had lots of errors at boot with .26. |
| 01:24.00 | jhutchins_lt | cesurasean: You are not allowed to change settings in gnome. Gnome knows what is best for you. |
| 01:24.26 | cesurasean | so, how do i fix my problem? |
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| 01:24.39 | cesurasean | dropbox doesn't seem to load correctly without this nautilus |
| 01:24.39 | tacomaster | jhutchins_lt: no i still get the same errors they dont seem to be really nasty errors but i still go the kernel failure pop up |
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| 01:25.21 | tacomaster | jhutchins_lt: dont get me wrong i can get in to the user account even tho it gives me the kernel failure tho |
| 01:26.49 | jhutchins_lt | tacomaster: I'm afraid I'm tapped out on this. It is known to work for some people on some hardware. |
| 01:27.21 | tacomaster | jhutchins_lt: ok ty for your help |
| 01:28.03 | jhutchins_lt | It's interesting that it should generate kernel errors. Time to hit teh google. |
| 01:28.25 | jhutchins_lt | consults the cat regarding realtec drivers... |
| 01:28.25 | cesurasean | can someon explain to me what this error means, how it can be solved? PLEASE - EggSMClient-WARNING **: Failed to connect to the session manager: None of the authentication protocols specified are supported |
| 01:33.52 | cesurasean | Can someone please take a look at this:, and tell me how fix it so the dropbox problem is loading correctly? It's only work at mystery times..... |
| 01:34.46 | cesurasean | (nautilus:2367): EggSMClient-WARNING **: Failed to connect to the session manager: None of the authentication protocols specified are supported |
| 01:34.46 | cesurasean | Initializing nautilus-gdu extension |
| 01:34.46 | cesurasean | Initializing nautilus-dropbox 0.6.3 |
| 01:35.00 | cesurasean | then, it just hangs... |
| 01:35.07 | tharkun | cesurasean: nautilus --no-desktop ?? |
| 01:35.33 | cesurasean | that seems to the same thing |
| 01:35.54 | tharkun | have you messed with pam? |
| 01:36.00 | cesurasean | just says initializing, and then stops.... wtf? |
| 01:36.07 | cesurasean | no |
| 01:36.36 | cesurasean | EggSMClient-WARNING **: Failed to connect to the session manager: None of the authentication protocols specified are supported - how do i change the protocols it's trying to use? |
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| 01:37.33 | tharkun | cesurasean: your answer might lie on /etc/pam.d but i am no expert to guide you there |
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| 01:40.42 | beardy | How do I get update-menus to update my user's menus after I added entries in ~/.menu (but now removed them again), now update-menus run at package installation doesn't touch my user's menu. Where to toggle updating for my user again? |
| 01:40.47 | LinuxGuy2009 | I created a file in /etc/modprobe.d called "local-loop" and it has one line "modprobe loop max_loop=24" but when I reboot it says its bad syntax or format or something like that. Is that not correct or is there something else I need to do? |
| 01:41.55 | sl0ppy | how do i install vim 7.3 on debian? i can't seem to find it anywhere in aptitude |
| 01:42.31 | beardy | judd: versions vim |
| 01:42.34 | judd | Package vim on i386 -- etch: 1:7.0-122+1etch5; etch-security: 1:7.0-122+1etch5; etch-backports: 1:7.1.314-3+lenny2~bpo40+2; lenny: 1:7.1.314-3+lenny2; squeeze: 2:7.2.445+hg~cb94c42c0e1a-1; sid: 2:7.3.000+hg~ee53a39d5896-1 |
| 01:42.50 | tharkun | !ssb |
| 01:42.50 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 01:42.52 | sl0ppy | what's sid exactly |
| 01:42.56 | beardy | !sid |
| 01:42.56 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 01:43.24 | sl0ppy | heh i just want vim 7.3 sid |
| 01:43.34 | sl0ppy | why is it unstable still? it's just an editor! |
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| 01:43.54 | tharkun | sl0ppy: take a look at the ssb factoid and have fun |
| 01:44.02 | beardy | sl0ppy: That is how it works, it might still cause trouble. |
| 01:44.08 | sl0ppy | ok tnx i'll take a look |
| 01:44.09 | beardy | !unstable |
| 01:44.09 | dpkg | [unstable] The status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. Not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges (!) See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>. |
| 01:44.58 | beardy | sl0ppy: Anyway, packages enter unstable, after a while they enter testing, when testing stable enough it is frozen, and then released as stable. |
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| 01:45.58 | sl0ppy | ah ok |
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| 01:49.00 | abrotman | beardy: i thikn it's just update-menus ? |
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| 01:49.56 | luckz | I'd like to execute 16 commands either at once or in batches of 4. I tried using gnu parallels but that is massively overtaxed by the commands I'm trying to run. |
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| 01:50.14 | beardy | abrotman: When I did the above, I have to run update-menus as my user, to update his menus. When it's run by root, or aptitude, (dpkg) it doesn't affect my menus anymore.. |
| 01:50.55 | beardy | abrotman: Must be some file or my username in some file that toggled it off, since I had an ~/.menu.. |
| 01:51.08 | tarkaram | Was wondering if anyone has installed boxee on debian ? |
| 01:51.47 | abrotman | beardy: i think that only updates the system ones in /usr/share/menu/ |
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| 01:54.35 | beardy | abrotman: Which all users use, until they create a ~./menu to keep a couple of only-for-me menufiles. |
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| 01:54.57 | beardy | abrotman: Now my user ignores updates in /usr/share/menu, I wonder how to care about it again.. |
| 01:55.18 | beardy | abrotman: I have to run update-menus as my user to get newly installed things now.. and I wish to avoid that. :) |
| 01:56.08 | beardy | guesses he'll have to find it.. just thought that someone might know. |
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| 01:59.40 | abrotman | wtf |
| 01:59.44 | beardy | Quite. |
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| 02:12.26 | beardy | Yep.. only my user can update its menus now.. |
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| 02:18.45 | allan8904 | is there any web interface to search for packages in lenny-backports-sloppy? |
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| 02:32.42 | vsmatck | Is there an easy way to get iceweasel to play apple movie trailers? I just tried xine-pluggin and mozplugger and neither of them worked. |
| 02:35.37 | nevyn | vsmatck: you need a bunch of proprietary codecs to play sorensen check debian-multimedia |
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| 02:39.39 | vsmatck | I have w32codecs installed. |
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| 03:21.25 | jordanm | shadow98: you can restart it using -v or --progress |
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| 03:23.15 | shadow98 | jordane: i set it up on web server I am running to sync with backup webserver about 2 years ago..and since then haven't touched it... |
| 03:23.28 | shadow98 | just wondering if i can see what it syncing |
| 03:23.58 | Randy_ | could you tell how to install deb from apt and ignore relation(because I compiled some soft) |
| 03:24.01 | shadow98 | it was one of those set it and forget it things |
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| 03:30.46 | jordanm | Randy_: rebuilt your compiled software as a package |
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| 03:31.09 | Randy_ | jordanm, I know checkinstall |
| 03:31.23 | cesurasean | How come I can only start 'dropbox start -i' from command line in ROOT, but not on my user account? I can't seem to start dropbox using that command in my normal user. Can someone help me? |
| 03:31.47 | jordanm | shadow98: rysnc has output.. if you ran it via cron you should have got a mail each day with a report. if you sent the output to /dev/null, then you said you didn't want to know a log time ago |
| 03:32.05 | jordanm | Randy_: so use that |
| 03:32.13 | cesurasean | Ive tried adding 'dropbox start -i' to my startup applications in Gnome. No success either... I can only get this started using root login and running 'dropbox start -i' |
| 03:32.24 | Randy_ | jordanm, but it not essy and package guide is hard to learn(I try many time all are fail) |
| 03:32.24 | shadow98 | jordanm: ok |
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| 03:33.10 | jordanm | Randy_: well, why are you compiling the depends for a package in the first place? |
| 03:33.13 | mac | how do i create a file in init.d |
| 03:33.16 | mac | i tested: sudo echo "hasd" > /etc/init.d/asd .. gave me "permission denied" |
| 03:33.28 | jordanm | mac: what version of debian? |
| 03:33.38 | mac | actually ubuntu =) |
| 03:33.40 | jordanm | !ubuntu |
| 03:33.40 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 03:33.44 | mac | the child of debian =) |
| 03:34.03 | jordanm | derivatives are not supported here |
| 03:35.14 | mac | !ubuntu |
| 03:35.14 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 03:35.53 | mac | jordanm: how do i print out all the functions i can use in a channel like !ubuntu |
| 03:36.52 | nevyn | mac: /msg bot listkeys. |
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| 03:36.59 | jordanm | mac: irc bots run different software, and rarely the same |
| 03:37.13 | jordanm | mac: our bot has 39317 factoids, you wouldn't want to list them anyways |
| 03:37.23 | mac | jordanm: nothing happens |
| 03:37.31 | mac | when i run /msg bot listkeys |
| 03:37.53 | nevyn | mac: the bot is called dpkg |
| 03:37.56 | nevyn | in this channel |
| 03:38.01 | mac | oh |
| 03:38.01 | jordanm | mac: http://ircbots.debian.net/ |
| 03:38.08 | mac | thanls |
| 03:38.12 | mac | thanks |
| 03:38.27 | nevyn | but that's infobot? other bots work differently |
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| 03:38.45 | Randy_ | jordanm, because the apt one is old |
| 03:38.55 | nevyn | also as jordanm says displaying all the keywords is more data then you want to deal with. |
| 03:39.02 | jordanm | Randy_: did something not work about it? |
| 03:39.10 | docgnome | having some issuesing getting x to start... keep getting the "no kernel modesetting driver detected" |
| 03:39.31 | jordanm | !kms |
| 03:39.31 | dpkg | [KMS] Kernel Mode Setting, where the initialization of graphical modes is performed by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting |
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| 03:39.42 | Randy_ | jordanm, yes and it not suitable for me |
| 03:39.49 | jordanm | docgnome: disable KMS.. some rare cards have issues with it |
| 03:39.58 | jordanm | Randy_: what problems specifically? and what software? |
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| 03:40.46 | qq- | titan8990, wb |
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| 03:41.41 | Randy_ | jordanm, like mplayer,has too much video out |
| 03:41.55 | titan8990 | qq-: i am jordanm via phone, never left :) |
| 03:42.06 | qq- | cool |
| 03:42.41 | mac | but can't i ask common linux questions here? |
| 03:42.45 | mac | not related to ubuntu |
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| 03:42.54 | Randy_ | jordanm, and it compiled vdpau using open driver not nvidia's driver |
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| 03:43.10 | titan8990 | randy_: debian multimedia has a newer version. had you tried that? |
| 03:43.18 | stew | mac: you can try ##linux |
| 03:43.24 | titan8990 | mac: no, #linux |
| 03:43.30 | stew | no, ##linux |
| 03:43.41 | mac | ok |
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| 03:44.37 | titan8990 | randy_: changing compile options is much easier than making a package from scratch. /msg dpkg package recompile |
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| 03:45.35 | titan8990 | my phone irc client really lacks name completion |
| 03:46.27 | Randy_ | titan8990, tell you the truth I use ubuntu(in china debian network is very slow and ubuntu has local imagine),I aks in ubntu(no useful answer) |
| 03:47.06 | titan8990 | figures... lots of those today |
| 03:47.07 | Randy_ | titan8990, I just want what I ask,and sometine the relation is wrong,wihtout it can also work |
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| 03:48.02 | titan8990 | wants to do some debian support, dammit! |
| 03:48.14 | stew | Randy_: wrong channel, please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 03:48.59 | Randy_ | stew, I know I ask in ubuntu ,not useful answer,so I come to hometown |
| 03:49.19 | stew | Randy_: your questions are not on-topic for this channel |
| 03:49.33 | docgnome | jordanm: hrm... didn' |
| 03:49.40 | docgnome | didn't change anything |
| 03:49.58 | Randy_ | stew, I'm sorry,I'm not good at english |
| 03:50.21 | stew | Randy_: go to #ubuntu or ##linux, not hree |
| 03:50.24 | stew | here* |
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| 03:50.42 | Talon_ | maybe in about 20 mins ill need some help titan8990 :P I'm downloading the latest iso build of debian-testing (squeeze beta i guess) and I may need some help. I tried using lenny stable and doing a full-upgrade to squeeze but it just screwed my comp all up.. hopefully the testing iso does a better job. |
| 03:51.34 | Randy_ | stew, but I also have debian in vm and this is deb problem |
| 03:51.39 | jordanm | Talon_: I will be going to bed in 20min :/ |
| 03:51.50 | jordanm | Randy_: no, its not |
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| 04:00.45 | Randy_ | jordanm, Randy_: no, its not what means?have a good sleep .In my time zone,it's 12:00 |
| 04:01.23 | jordanm | 23:00 in my time zone |
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| 04:03.18 | docgnome | so i got the framebuffer to start by doing modprobe i915 modeset=1 |
| 04:03.25 | docgnome | but x still doesn't start |
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| 04:03.58 | docgnome | this time it says... FATAL: Module fbcon not found |
| 04:04.20 | docgnome | can't find any fbcon package. |
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| 04:11.46 | docgnome | so... x starts now but just sits there. doesn't start the xterm like normal |
| 04:12.43 | Randy_ | Oh,my angel,the apt should always care for package relation~~~~~~ |
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| 04:26.05 | wtiuh31 | THE GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA WANTS YOU TO KNOW WHEN YOU COMMENT ON SPAM, THE GAY NIGGERS WIN. NOW YOU KNOW, AND KNOWING IS HALF THE BATTLE! GO NIGGER!!! wtiuh31 gayne WilliamHerry gattor aarcane joesph xiangfu randy__ me|kor JNSamuel timahvo1 Old_Spike0 vliam up365 nobarking Xplain1 bp0 xand xand2 gm152 snkcld pierrep g33k0n0s Jinx-Wolf delYsid` mac daedhel cesurasean linuxwizard _markb1_ yagoo RA3OR Articate jpinx-ee1pc ponyofdeath tec rking st |
| 04:26.16 | gayne | THE GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA WANTS YOU TO KNOW WHEN YOU COMMENT ON SPAM, THE GAY NIGGERS WIN. NOW YOU KNOW, AND KNOWING IS HALF THE BATTLE! GO NIGGER!!! gayne WilliamHerry gattor aarcane joesph xiangfu randy__ me|kor JNSamuel timahvo1 Old_Spike0 vliam up365 nobarking Xplain1 bp0 xand xand2 gm152 snkcld pierrep g33k0n0s Jinx-Wolf delYsid` mac daedhel cesurasean linuxwizard _markb1_ yagoo RA3OR Articate jpinx-ee1pc ponyofdeath tec rking streuner_ Un |
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| 04:26.19 | Deathvalley122 | wtf? |
| 04:26.20 | kn1017 | THE GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA WANTS YOU TO KNOW WHEN YOU COMMENT ON SPAM, THE GAY NIGGERS WIN. NOW YOU KNOW, AND KNOWING IS HALF THE BATTLE! GO NIGGER!!! kn1017 scoopex WilliamHerry gattor aarcane joesph xiangfu randy__ me|kor JNSamuel timahvo1 Old_Spike0 vliam up365 nobarking Xplain1 bp0 xand xand2 gm152 snkcld pierrep g33k0n0s Jinx-Wolf delYsid` mac daedhel cesurasean linuxwizard _markb1_ yagoo RA3OR Articate jpinx-ee1pc ponyofdeath tec rking streun |
| 04:26.35 | ColdFyre | ha |
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| 04:26.53 | TheThing|Anally | THE GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA WANTS YOU TO KNOW WHEN YOU COMMENT ON SPAM, THE GAY NIGGERS WIN. NOW YOU KNOW, AND KNOWING IS HALF THE BATTLE! GO NIGGER!!! TheThing|Anally scoopex WilliamHerry gattor aarcane joesph xiangfu randy__ me|kor JNSamuel timahvo1 Old_Spike0 vliam up365 nobarking Xplain1 bp0 xand xand2 gm152 snkcld pierrep g33k0n0s delYsid` mac daedhel cesurasean linuxwizard _markb1_ yagoo RA3OR Articate jpinx-ee1pc ponyofdeath tec rk |
| 04:27.04 | Talon_ | .. |
| 04:27.06 | randy__ | I'm sorry what I do |
| 04:27.20 | root________ | okay, hopefully I won't get in the first round anymoar :-S |
| 04:27.22 | randy__ | But,what you said? |
| 04:27.33 | Talon_ | attempt #2 to install debian squeeze.... |
| 04:27.34 | LoRez | root________: doesn't work that way |
| 04:27.40 | Talon_ | hopefully this iso works out ok |
| 04:27.45 | root________ | LoRez, it's worth a try :-S |
| 04:28.07 | LoRez | root________: not really. NAMES output is in last joined first listed order |
| 04:28.28 | root________ | :-S |
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| 04:28.42 | randy__ | TheThing|Anally:what it means?I'm not good at english |
| 04:28.47 | root________ | could I get everyone to just type /hop or /cycle for me right quick? I'm tired of getting lit up in here :( |
| 04:28.49 | rww | randy__: ignore it, it's spam |
| 04:29.09 | randy__ | rww, spam?the food? |
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| 04:29.50 | tensorpudding | randy__: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spam_(electronic) |
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| 04:30.00 | wtiuh31 | THE GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA WANTS YOU TO KNOW WHEN YOU COMMENT ON SPAM, THE GAY NIGGERS WIN. NOW YOU KNOW, AND KNOWING IS HALF THE BATTLE! GO NIGGER!!! wtiuh31 apelgate scoopex WilliamHerry gattor root________ joesph xiangfu randy__ me|kor JNSamuel timahvo1 Old_Spike0 vliam up365 nobarking Xplain1 bp0 xand xand2 gm152 snkcld pierrep g33k0n0s delYsid` mac daedhel cesurasean linuxwizard _markb1_ yagoo RA3OR Articate jpinx-ee1pc ponyofdeath tec rking |
| 04:30.01 | wtiuh31 | THE GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA WANTS YOU TO KNOW WHEN YOU COMMENT ON SPAM, THE GAY NIGGERS WIN. NOW YOU KNOW, AND KNOWING IS HALF THE BATTLE! GO NIGGER!!! fnordperfect I-are- shogunx himuraken p3rror dzup2 akio rmrfslash sodhi DarkM homie unop qq- Ahadiel k1ng smiledon miOw RichardG dodder Lewoco_ andatche Touchstone futex dkr arcsky micols kingsley DarkCow RobotCow bsiq GastSuperDau3756 githogori Texou skydrome thepro4ever mirr0r hushman tomkap derch |
| 04:30.08 | nobarking | lol |
| 04:30.15 | LoRez | root________: see? |
| 04:30.17 | nobarking | stop this madnews |
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| 04:30.33 | Dr_Wi11is | THE GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA WANTS YOU TO KNOW WHEN YOU COMMENT ON SPAM, THE GAY NIGGERS WIN. NOW YOU KNOW, AND KNOWING IS HALF THE BATTLE! GO NIGGER!!! fnordperfect I-are- shogunx himuraken p3rror dzup2 akio rmrfslash sodhi DarkM homie unop qq- Ahadiel k1ng smiledon miOw RichardG dodder Lewoco_ andatche Touchstone futex dkr arcsky micols kingsley DarkCow RobotCow bsiq GastSuperDau3756 githogori Texou skydrome thepro4ever mirr0r hushman tomkap derc |
| 04:30.33 | Dr_Wi11is | THE GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA WANTS YOU TO KNOW WHEN YOU COMMENT ON SPAM, THE GAY NIGGERS WIN. NOW YOU KNOW, AND KNOWING IS HALF THE BATTLE! GO NIGGER!!! cantoma Malf Jordan_U meliowant dwq Tux^verdreifelt jhutchins_lt Schoentoon MichealH cinch Wildweasal arosen Spines abysed YliNG Tiven hetOrakel Deathvalley122 mns fbs Ambagasdowa AmberJ kek izibi l403 ia k- SQlvpapir aidan bier wimt SaRy ix runev M`vy testi vader-- emaia drasko extor row resmo qui |
| 04:30.35 | root________ | LoRez, :( |
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| 04:30.48 | aarcane | guess there's no point. |
| 04:31.07 | dzup2 | wtf? |
| 04:31.17 | dzup2 | troll time? |
| 04:31.21 | tensorpudding | the channel is under attack, it seems |
| 04:31.23 | rww | dzup2: yup. best to ignore them. |
| 04:31.32 | nobarking | who would attack #debian |
| 04:31.34 | randy__ | rww, is it the AD? |
| 04:31.39 | docgnome | nobarking: trolls |
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| 04:31.42 | wtiuh31 | THE GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA WANTS YOU TO KNOW WHEN YOU COMMENT ON SPAM, THE GAY NIGGERS WIN. NOW YOU KNOW, AND KNOWING IS HALF THE BATTLE! GO NIGGER!!! wtiuh31 apelgate scoopex gattor aarcane joesph xiangfu randy__ me|kor JNSamuel timahvo1 Old_Spike0 vliam up365 nobarking Xplain1 bp0 xand xand2 gm152 snkcld pierrep g33k0n0s delYsid` mac daedhel cesurasean linuxwizard _markb1_ yagoo RA3OR Articate jpinx-ee1pc ponyofdeath tec rking streuner_ Unco Cib |
| 04:31.43 | wtiuh31 | THE GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA WANTS YOU TO KNOW WHEN YOU COMMENT ON SPAM, THE GAY NIGGERS WIN. NOW YOU KNOW, AND KNOWING IS HALF THE BATTLE! GO NIGGER!!! shogunx himuraken p3rror dzup2 akio rmrfslash sodhi DarkM homie qq- unop Ahadiel k1ng smiledon miOw RichardG dodder Lewoco_ andatche Touchstone futex dkr arcsky micols kingsley DarkCow RobotCow bsiq GastSuperDau3756 githogori Texou skydrome thepro4ever mirr0r hushman tomkap derchris hiroyuki_y Kaelt |
| 04:31.43 | wtiuh31 | THE GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA WANTS YOU TO KNOW WHEN YOU COMMENT ON SPAM, THE GAY NIGGERS WIN. NOW YOU KNOW, AND KNOWING IS HALF THE BATTLE! GO NIGGER!!! meliowant dwq Tux^verdreifelt jhutchins_lt Schoentoon MichealH cinch Wildweasal arosen Spines abysed YliNG Tiven hetOrakel Deathvalley122 mns fbs Ambagasdowa AmberJ kek izibi l403 ia k- SQlvpapir aidan bier wimt SaRy ix runev M`vy testi vader-- emaia drasko extor row resmo quiritius Niamor avacore J |
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| 04:31.45 | aarcane | probably those ubuntu kiddies |
| 04:31.47 | *** mode/#debian [+o LoRez] by ChanServ |
| 04:31.52 | *** mode/#debian [+r] by LoRez |
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| 04:32.00 | tensorpudding | oh noes, +r again? |
| 04:32.09 | aarcane | wot's +r ? |
| 04:32.16 | *** mode/#debian [-o LoRez] by LoRez |
| 04:32.18 | RA3OR | registered users only |
| 04:32.20 | tensorpudding | you have to be regged to enter the channel |
| 04:32.25 | rww | aarcane: users not identified to nickserv can't /join |
| 04:32.26 | Zyferus | need to bre registered to join |
| 04:32.26 | aarcane | hrrm |
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| 04:32.42 | aarcane | sounds liek it sucks in general, awsome tool though :D |
| 04:32.49 | rww | or are redirected to #debian-overflow, I guess |
| 04:33.01 | gm152 | Correct. |
| 04:33.01 | docgnome | Any ideas why when i'm starting x, i don't get an xterm? |
| 04:33.08 | tensorpudding | the last time a massive attack against freenode happened a lot of channels got +r'ed |
| 04:33.17 | tensorpudding | that was when they changed the ircd iirc |
| 04:33.36 | RA3OR | hmm, you guyz support netinstall and installing in virtual machines? |
| 04:33.53 | NiLon | but it's nice to know group behind spam now |
| 04:34.41 | Talon_ | is compiz in the testing distrib of debian? |
| 04:34.49 | RA3OR | i downloaded debian-506-ia64-netinst but its NOT booting in my vmware |
| 04:34.58 | rww | Talon_: yes |
| 04:35.05 | Talon_ | sweet |
| 04:35.11 | yagoo | docgnome, xterm is separate from X, it's found in package xterm. There are other X-terminal programs. |
| 04:35.24 | docgnome | yeah, i know that |
| 04:35.39 | docgnome | and i have xterm installed. in the past, before i've set up a wm, i get an xterm |
| 04:35.44 | RA3OR | any ideas welcome, my pc supports 64bit |
| 04:35.50 | Corndawg | can someoem tell me the diff between 'mkfifo <name>' and 'mknod <name> p' |
| 04:35.58 | aarcane | NiLon, who is it ? |
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| 04:36.01 | Corndawg | or same thing? |
| 04:36.08 | yagoo | RA3OR, vmware doesnt do ia64.. it does x86-32bit and x86-64bit |
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| 04:36.46 | RA3OR | yagoo: thanks, much appreciate |
| 04:36.53 | yagoo | np |
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| 04:37.42 | Talon_ | ok i got some options now for stuff to install, i got checkboxes like gui, web server, dns server, file server, etc.. whats SQL Database? is that MySQL ? |
| 04:37.56 | Corndawg | anyone? |
| 04:38.07 | MrPockets | Talon_, MySQL is a verion of SQL |
| 04:38.15 | Ikarus | MrPockets: uh, NO |
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| 04:38.32 | Ikarus | MySQL is a database which uses a dialect of SQL |
| 04:38.42 | MrPockets | ,,, |
| 04:38.46 | MrPockets | a veriation of sql |
| 04:38.51 | Talon_ | So, i take assume its not then? |
| 04:38.53 | yagoo | Ikarus, sql is a standard. |
| 04:39.06 | yagoo | MrPockets, ^ |
| 04:39.10 | Ikarus | yagoo: how often are standards actually followed ? :) |
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| 04:39.31 | yagoo | Ikarus, sql is standard and is used very very well. |
| 04:40.10 | Talon_ | I often web develop, which is one of my reasonings for installing debian, i wanted light weight distro with apache, perl, php, and mysql to duplicate my paid for host.. just not sure if i should install this "SQL database" option or not... |
| 04:40.10 | Ikarus | yagoo: and MySQL doesn't quite use SQL, it uses the same basic syntax, but doesn't implement or implements differently some specific cases |
| 04:40.20 | yagoo | ingores Ikarus |
| 04:40.23 | Ikarus | Talon_: I wouldn't |
| 04:41.00 | Talon_ | ok, skipped :) |
| 04:41.01 | Ikarus | Talon_: it might decide to install both PostgreSQL, MySQL and the dozen or so other SQL using databases packaged for Debian |
| 04:41.15 | Ikarus | so just install explicitly which database you need |
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| 04:42.32 | yagoo | Talon_, there's no such thing as an SQL database. |
| 04:42.48 | MrPockets | yagoo, ? |
| 04:42.58 | yagoo | Talon_, sql is a standard on how to query a database-> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sql |
| 04:43.24 | Talon_ | uh, its a choice on the install cd for debian, which is why I asked what it literally was |
| 04:43.35 | RA3OR | hehe, debian changed since sarge, etch |
| 04:43.36 | RA3OR | :D |
| 04:43.37 | Ikarus | Talon_: as said, we don' |
| 04:43.40 | Ikarus | t dare guess |
| 04:43.53 | Ikarus | very few people actually see the installer often |
| 04:44.04 | Ikarus | it's one of the main weaknesses of Debian, upgrades work too well :) |
| 04:44.18 | rww | lol |
| 04:44.29 | RA3OR | :)) |
| 04:44.54 | Talon_ | can't wait for this to finish installing |
| 04:46.58 | RA3OR | woopy, installing :D |
| 04:47.16 | RA3OR | im at 40% already |
| 04:47.33 | RA3OR | base system |
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| 04:47.39 | Talon_ | dang, you must have a nice internet connection |
| 04:47.45 | Talon_ | im stuck at 1m DSL |
| 04:47.59 | RA3OR | i chose local mirror |
| 04:48.08 | RA3OR | i downloaded the iso in under 1 min, go figure |
| 04:48.09 | RA3OR | :D |
| 04:48.37 | RA3OR | i got 100mb/s metropolitan |
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| 04:48.41 | RA3OR | optical |
| 04:48.43 | RA3OR | fiber |
| 04:48.53 | Talon_ | no fair :/ lol it took me like 1.5 hours to download the iso... oh well, I'll get there eventually hehe |
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| 04:49.52 | RA3OR | ok, selected mirror, lets see |
| 04:50.19 | RA3OR | Talon_: i use a netinstall |
| 04:50.38 | RA3OR | 1min to get updates :D |
| 04:50.50 | RA3OR | err, i mean files |
| 04:51.06 | Talon_ | I got 53 mins remaining on my install (supposedly) |
| 04:51.16 | RA3OR | i might come to irc with my new install |
| 04:51.17 | RA3OR | :D |
| 04:51.19 | antivigilante | is there a way to make the bash source command search the path? |
| 04:51.35 | antivigilante | i want to export variables to the parent shell |
| 04:51.59 | antivigilante | and I don't want any hard coded paths |
| 04:52.34 | RA3OR | oh crap |
| 04:52.36 | yagoo | antivigilante, type "help export" |
| 04:52.38 | RA3OR | didnt select components |
| 04:52.39 | RA3OR | :(( |
| 04:53.05 | antivigilante | export does not export to the parent - i don't think |
| 04:53.48 | yagoo | antivigilante, then go to #bash then. |
| 04:54.15 | yagoo | -_- |
| 04:54.25 | yagoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:54.28 | yagoo | I just don't. |
| 04:55.10 | thomas | greetings: any dhcp server experts here ? |
| 04:55.45 | jpinx-eeepc | thomas: this is #debian - maybe you would be better in #networking ? |
| 04:56.04 | thomas | jpinx...: good thinking, thanks |
| 04:56.12 | RA3OR | 50% install |
| 04:56.27 | jpinx-eeepc | RA3OR: more coal ! ;) |
| 04:56.33 | RA3OR | :) |
| 04:57.52 | antivigilante | hmm help source says it does use the $PATH variable! cool |
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| 05:00.16 | clement1ne | hello, i have a sha-256 digest that i would like to verify. i am using |
| 05:00.17 | clement1ne | lenny, what package to i need to check it against an archive? |
| 05:00.27 | clement1ne | (sorry for the double) |
| 05:00.53 | rking | clement1ne: triple, you mean. =) |
| 05:00.56 | rww | sha256sum from the coreutils package? |
| 05:02.41 | clement1ne | ah, yep thats the one, reading man now ty! |
| 05:03.41 | RA3OR | woopy, grub loader |
| 05:04.32 | RA3OR | installed |
| 05:04.33 | RA3OR | :D |
| 05:04.45 | RA3OR | took 15 min |
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| 05:07.33 | neoice | so I just had mdraid report a drive failure and I'm kind of concerned since I've never dealt with a failure/rebuild. should I just keep the system running and buy a new drive ASAP? |
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| 05:14.47 | Nai-ux | can anyone point me to the release notes for 5.0.6 ? I am wondering changes from 5.0.5 |
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| 05:15.54 | rww | Nai-ux: http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100904 |
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| 05:16.23 | Nai-ux | thank you rww :) |
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| 05:17.23 | digifor | Network manager in gnome has vanished. Although fortunately internet is still working. How do I get it back? |
| 05:17.55 | digifor | Tried this already. |
| 05:18.54 | digifor | Forgot to mention I am running squeeze and just did an 'aptitude safe-upgrade' |
| 05:19.04 | clement1ne | digifor: try, /etc/init.d/network-manager restart |
| 05:20.05 | rking | clement1ne: That's it! Ha, I couldn't remember it. |
| 05:20.38 | digifor | clement1ne, Tried that again also |
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| 05:21.02 | rking | It basically runs /usr/sbin/NetworkManager ---which doesn't tabcomplete when you try with a lower case 'n'. =) |
| 05:21.17 | rking | digifor: And no clues about what's failing? |
| 05:22.05 | digifor | Might be the notification applet?? |
| 05:22.32 | clement1ne | digifor: are other gnome applets working? |
| 05:22.45 | digifor | Although my battery, clipboard manager and xchat are there |
| 05:24.02 | clement1ne | digifor: does nm-applet show up in top? |
| 05:24.10 | cahoot | digifor: try nm-applet -disable? |
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| 05:24.50 | digifor | nope. and trying now |
| 05:26.06 | digifor | sudo nm-applet -disable sudo: nm-applet: command not found |
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| 05:28.33 | Talon_ | maybe its running and your notification area applet on your panel screwed up or got terminated/removed somehow.. I had that problem once, i removed the notification area applet from the panel and re-added it and my network manager came back. |
| 05:28.59 | Talon_ | just a thought, that happened to me on ubuntu tho |
| 05:33.17 | simonrvn | network-manager-gnome: /usr/bin/nm-applet (FYI) |
| 05:33.25 | digifor | Talon_, just tried. no go but thanks |
| 05:33.49 | simonrvn | <package>: <filename> |
| 05:34.23 | digifor | /usr/bin/nm-applet: command not found |
| 05:35.03 | simonrvn | check your network-manager-gnome package... |
| 05:36.47 | digifor | simonrvn, not installed according to synaptic??? |
| 05:36.55 | digifor | I am reinstalling it. |
| 05:37.21 | simonrvn | there ya go. solved. have fun. |
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| 05:38.30 | digifor | It's back. Thanks. Try to get that sort of desktop support from Microsoft or Oracle!!! |
| 05:38.39 | FluxD | What is the equivalent of usermod -g using adduser? |
| 05:38.47 | clement1ne | :) |
| 05:39.50 | simonrvn | FluxD: use adduser |
| 05:40.07 | simonrvn | debian's adduser is very nice |
| 05:40.11 | FluxD | simonrvn, is that same as adduser user group ? |
| 05:40.30 | simonrvn | iirc yes |
| 05:40.42 | FluxD | makes group the primary group? |
| 05:41.45 | simonrvn | oh, no, just adds them to that group |
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| 05:42.15 | simonrvn | ue usermod ;) or vipw (if you got unix groups) |
| 05:42.36 | simonrvn | sorry for typos, load avg went up a lot ... |
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| 06:12.55 | deStone | Is it normal for the following to work: iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --source x.x.x.x --dport 22 -j ACCEPT |
| 06:12.57 | deStone | but |
| 06:13.08 | deStone | iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --source x.x.x.x -j ACCEPT |
| 06:13.11 | deStone | not to work |
| 06:13.20 | deStone | where source = my ip... |
| 06:13.33 | deStone | obviously i'm setting the destination port as 22 in the first, but i want to allow all ports... |
| 06:13.49 | deStone | er, rather, open all ports for that ip address. |
| 06:14.06 | allan8904 | hey, i'm running debian lenny. On every boot i receive the message fb: conflicting fb hw usage inteldrmfb vs VESA VGA...how can i get rid of this and set it so the VESA VGA doesnt try to load? |
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| 06:32.15 | Jimmy_89 | hey guys, any idea what can cause e2fsck to slow down ? |
| 06:32.35 | Jimmy_89 | like my progress bar is not moving on 31.9% now |
| 06:33.38 | petern_ | faulty harddrive |
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| 06:33.57 | Jimmy_89 | its a raid array (mdadm raid 5) |
| 06:34.05 | Jimmy_89 | and I don't believe any of them are faulty |
| 06:34.34 | Jimmy_89 | the disks are all reading at ~150kb/s, where as they were going at 10MB/s each before it stopped moving |
| 06:37.50 | jelly-home | Jimmy_89: does iostat show them as 100% busy? |
| 06:37.55 | Jimmy_89 | one sec |
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| 06:39.02 | jelly-home | (user something like iostat -x 1) |
| 06:39.09 | jelly-home | use, even |
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| 06:45.06 | Jimmy_89 | %util ~15-20 |
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| 06:49.18 | docgnome | is there a way to pipe a list of package names to aptitude? i have a list on stdin but i can't seem to get aptitude to read them |
| 06:49.59 | Jimmy_89 | lol my drives are reading at ~11MB/s each again |
| 06:50.04 | Jimmy_89 | random.. |
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| 06:51.29 | kingsley | docgnome: cat list_of_package_names.txt | while read package_name ; do aptitude -s install $package_name ; done |
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| 06:53.09 | docgnome | kingsley: hrm. figured that there would be something simple. but that works thanks. |
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| 06:54.10 | niklaswe | hmm should i report this as a bug or not? ... http://www.allow.se/battery_errror ? |
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| 07:00.43 | awk | Hi, when is the next version set to be released as stable? |
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| 07:02.44 | dutchfish | !squeeze |
| 07:02.44 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the next release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0. It is the three-eyed space alien. Ask me about <wwsr> for recent updates and see also <testing> <squeeze udev> <squeeze kernel> <lenny->squeeze> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze . The Debian release is not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. |
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| 07:03.13 | awk | Thanks :D |
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| 07:06.51 | dutchfish | niklaswe: for what it is worth http://lkml.org/lkml/2010/6/7/30 |
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| 07:09.15 | dutchfish | niklaswe: what happens when you disable bluetooth? |
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| 07:16.45 | niklaswe | dutchfish: oh sorry, but the problem i post wasn't about he blutooth.. |
| 07:17.07 | niklaswe | is about my battery, and i know itÅ problem with my battery.. |
| 07:17.15 | dutchfish | niklaswe: i know |
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| 07:18.05 | niklaswe | so i dont understand why should i disable my bluethooth? |
| 07:18.24 | dutchfish | niklaswe: i have a hunch that 'maybe' bluetooth is messing up bat monitoring on your systems inside 2.6.32 |
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| 07:19.54 | niklaswe | dutchfish: oh, okey i will try to disable it in bios then.. |
| 07:20.07 | dutchfish | niklaswe: it worth a try |
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| 07:20.30 | niklaswe | dutchfish: ty for the help! |
| 07:20.36 | dutchfish | np |
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| 07:22.22 | dutchfish | niklaswe: furthermore you could test it on newer kernels as well, this might be related to bios issues as well |
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| 07:32.42 | iskywalker | Hi! |
| 07:32.56 | clement1ne | hello |
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| 07:34.19 | iskywalker | I am considering to buy an additional 30'' monitor, atm I have a thinkpad t61p running with 1920x1200 and a 2560x1600 dual monitor configuration |
| 07:34.49 | iskywalker | so I wonder if my quadro 570m could do the whole 2560x1600x 2, any way to find out? |
| 07:34.57 | iskywalker | other than buying the thing and connecting? |
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| 07:35.58 | iskywalker | I mean how can I found out the maximal resolution supported by my graphic card on debian |
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| 07:37.52 | dutchfish | iskywalker: xrandr -q would normally tell you |
| 07:38.12 | iskywalker | Xlib: extension "RANDR" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 07:38.14 | iskywalker | RandR extension missing |
| 07:38.18 | iskywalker | tried already |
| 07:38.48 | iskywalker | I did some reasearch before comming here, but the problem is to specific but the terms are too generic... |
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| 07:39.22 | dutchfish | iskywalker: have you installed x11-xserver-utils ? |
| 07:40.01 | robokop | why does a kernel recompile have to take so long :S |
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| 07:40.34 | dutchfish | robokop: read about ccache |
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| 07:41.29 | dutchfish | robokop: or depending on your system, distcc might be usefull too |
| 07:42.44 | iskywalker | dutchfish: yep |
| 07:43.32 | dutchfish | iskywalker: then something is not setup correctly or you are not using maybe propreiarety drivers that wont support xarndr? |
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| 07:43.54 | dutchfish | xrandr* |
| 07:44.16 | dutchfish | iskywalker: what video card are you using? |
| 07:44.45 | iskywalker | quadro 570m with nvidia driver |
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| 07:45.09 | iskywalker | I think I have proprietary support (nv is the open source right?) |
| 07:45.26 | dutchfish | iskywalker: yes |
| 07:45.50 | iskywalker | with xinerama |
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| 07:46.44 | iskywalker | version of the driver is 1.4 |
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| 07:47.48 | iskywalker | is it in the xorg.0.log? |
| 07:47.48 | daedhel | do you guys know anyway I could replace xfwm4 with DWM in xfce4's environement ? |
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| 07:48.04 | iskywalker | i mean the supported resolution settings? |
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| 07:48.13 | dutchfish | iskywalker: it should at least support 1920x1200 as far as i can tell |
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| 07:48.49 | iskywalker | sure, but I want the 2560x1600, else i buy a 24'', I mean there is 800⬠price difference |
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| 07:57.16 | Good_d_ay | Hello friends, I am having problem in killing the 'dd' command I am using the command "sudo kill -9 <pid of dd>". Any suggestions |
| 07:57.39 | Shadur | Good_d_ay: I'm guessing the reason you're trying to kill it is that it froze? |
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| 07:58.15 | iskywalker | init 6? |
| 07:58.27 | Shadur | Because if it froze, it's likely because some kernel-level disk/filesystem process is hanging. I don't think that's killable without a reboot. |
| 07:58.31 | Good_d_ay | yes, But when I again see using "ps -ae", dd again appears with different pid |
| 07:58.58 | Good_d_ay | Shadur: I got what you understand |
| 07:59.05 | iskywalker | kill the parent |
| 07:59.11 | Shadur | Good_d_ay: A different PID? What exactly is being dd'ed? Check with ps -f to see what's respawning the dd process. |
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| 07:59.45 | jimisrvrox | im trying to compile x11vnc from tar...when I do ./vncinstall /usr/local/bin it tells me ./vncinstall no file/dir...and I know theres a file there its the install script..I tried sudo and sudo -i and neither of those work either |
| 08:00.02 | rww | chmod +x vncinstall |
| 08:00.05 | Good_d_ay | okey let me get back to you.. |
| 08:00.27 | rww | not that I'd recommend compiling from source instead of using the repository, but w/e. |
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| 08:01.32 | jimisrvrox | rww: having to do that because of DNS issues |
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| 08:04.43 | jimisrvrox | ok so did that...now get cp: cannot stat file: no file/dir then chmod: cannot access: no file/dir |
| 08:05.36 | ttiicc | goodmorning |
| 08:05.47 | rww | jimisrvrox: then apparently, it isn't there. |
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| 08:06.04 | rww | check you're in the right directory, and that you're using the right capitalization |
| 08:07.05 | jimisrvrox | I know im in the right dir...when I did sudo -i still tells me no such file...which thats beyond me because I see the file there! |
| 08:07.18 | jimisrvrox | im in the directory that has the vncinstall script |
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| 08:10.15 | rww | jimisrvrox: where did you download x11vnc from? I just got it from http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc/ , and it has different build instructions to what you seem to be following. |
| 08:11.37 | jimisrvrox | that wold be because im over here dealing with tightVNC heh..stupid me heh |
| 08:12.12 | jimisrvrox | but none the less it is very frustrating trying to get the viewer build going.. |
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| 08:15.01 | rww | jimisrvrox: I just got that instead, and ./vncinstall works fine for me, so... |
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| 08:15.35 | jimisrvrox | yeah see when using Ubuntu...permissions on the /usr dir should work fine as well because it does say owner has rights to create/delete files.. |
| 08:15.46 | jimisrvrox | so I havent a cle as to why the heck its saying theres no file/dir |
| 08:16.06 | jimisrvrox | not to mention really crazy DNS issues...which I know are only on this machine.... |
| 08:16.11 | jimisrvrox | all my other machines in my net work just fine |
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| 08:17.51 | rww | ah, you're using Ubuntu. You probably want to wander back over to #ubuntu, then. #debian doesn't support Ubuntu :\ |
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| 08:19.14 | mirr0r | is there any way to let unionfs-fuse spread the files over the disks automatically ? |
| 08:19.35 | erez | hello, I've installed Squeeze on this MSI laptop, (ms-136k?) anyone know how to enable wireless? is there a special package I need to install? |
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| 08:26.31 | erez | more to the point, it uses an Atheros AR5001 card |
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| 08:28.27 | jimisrvrox | rww: heh this is really retarded..I got x11vnc running on my box...I can ping from this box to the vnc box..but..it wont VNC! |
| 08:28.40 | jimisrvrox | and I can ping from vnc box to my laptop here |
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| 08:29.22 | rww | jimisrvrox: as I've already said, ask in #ubuntu. I hate to be annoying, but they have separate channels for a reason... |
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| 08:33.25 | nsadmin | erez can you show the line describing the wireless device from lspci -nn |
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| 08:35.52 | erez | 05:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Atheros Communications Inc. AR5001 Wireless Network Adapter [168c:001c] (rev 01) |
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| 08:35.59 | RichiH | hmm |
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| 08:36.50 | RichiH | i got a kernel panic with told me this was not a software error but a hardware error and that i should run "it" through mcelog --ascii |
| 08:37.02 | RichiH | (mcelog was not installed at that time) |
| 08:37.30 | RichiH | i can't find a crashlog.txt, which is referenced by various google results, anywhere |
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| 08:44.27 | HackeMate | hello |
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| 08:44.43 | HackeMate | is good have kde and gnome installed in my system? |
| 08:44.56 | HackeMate | or it can get conflicts in some way |
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| 08:45.04 | petemc | it isnt a problem to have both installed |
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| 08:45.56 | HackeMate | thank you - another quick question, is there a debian backport netinstall CD or i should use a normal netinstall and add the repo manually |
| 08:46.42 | petemc | add it after |
| 08:46.50 | HackeMate | ok |
| 08:47.29 | ondrejk | hi, just one little "poll", im looking for fast and lightweight terminal emulator, now im using urxvt, but i miss text selecting like it's in gnome-terminal(when you hold ctrl, it will select rectangle), what terminal emulator do you use? |
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| 08:48.52 | Xanbreon | I use xfce4-terminal :P |
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| 08:49.36 | Xanbreon | It does the ctrl thing, never knew you could do that hahah |
| 08:49.43 | ondrejk | Xanbreon: looks good but it's tabs are wasting of desktop space, no offense.. |
| 08:50.55 | Xanbreon | me and my term emulator are not offended, but what do you mean by wasting desktop space? tab area to big? |
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| 08:52.06 | ondrejk | Xanbreon: yes |
| 08:52.26 | llimeht | you can hide the tab bar and menu bar in konsole |
| 08:53.30 | Xanbreon | Ahh |
| 08:53.37 | Xanbreon | I dont use tabs much =P |
| 08:54.17 | ondrejk | Xanbreon: im working on multiple machines at same time, so i have to |
| 08:54.25 | Xanbreon | They do seem to be quite big though O-o |
| 08:54.40 | Xanbreon | ondrejk: understandable! |
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| 08:54.43 | ondrejk | Xanbreon: yes, that's reason why i dont like xfce-terminal |
| 08:54.51 | ondrejk | :) |
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| 08:55.14 | ondrejk | i've just turned compiz and figured out that urxvt can do rectangle selecting |
| 08:55.21 | frantik | howdy i was wondering if any sega genesis emulator got ported to arm/armed arch ? (yes i looked up packages, clueless :/) |
| 08:55.28 | ondrejk | compiz mapped key which is used for it |
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| 08:56.13 | ondrejk | so now last thing i miss in urxvt are text labels for tabs :) |
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| 09:06.07 | nogo | is tired of terminals without a usable menu |
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| 09:07.00 | te77ta | hey! everyone into wicd? is there a better solution? |
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| 09:07.24 | johntramp | hi, i have a few pcs on the same lan running debian. what is the best way to share .deb packages so i can conserve internet bandwidth when I update? |
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| 09:10.16 | nogo | doesn't want to save bandwidth for the isp at all |
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| 09:13.16 | omid8bimo | hey , anybody knows how to set a default font size in mrxvt? |
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| 09:14.22 | nogo | cli, that's annoying |
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| 09:16.18 | nogo | if you donot know how to configure dpi settings correctly at all places, you can only get blur fonts |
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| 09:18.36 | sweetpi | johntramp: I use apt-cacher-ng |
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| 09:19.23 | omid8bimo | any solution or setting to set in mrxvtrc? |
| 09:19.27 | johntramp | nogo: but you would if you only had 40gb/month :( |
| 09:19.40 | johntramp | sweetpi: ill look into that, thanks |
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| 09:29.12 | ov3rmind | hi, and good morning to all :) |
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| 09:36.57 | ov3rmind | someone here already have running box with squeeze and kernel vanila 2.6.35 ::? |
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| 09:39.56 | EugenMayer | Hello guys. Does debian (lenny) only work in the 64bit variant under hypeV? |
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| 09:41.54 | petemc | EugenMayer: theres a page on the debian wiki about hyperV |
| 09:42.03 | EugenMayer | iam on it. |
| 09:42.22 | EugenMayer | but its for etch as far as i can see |
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| 09:45.34 | petemc | you'll probably find not that many people here use hyperv |
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| 09:46.55 | ov3rmind | my squeeze don't start kde4 somebody known it's problem have some limitation for the "freedesktop",(opendesktop) project! |
| 09:47.07 | EugenMayer | petemc: its not that i use it.. a customer does |
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| 10:12.54 | illio | hmm solved it by just disabling mod_autoindex .. is that a bad way of doing it? |
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| 10:13.11 | illio | I'm not using mod_autoindex as far as I know.. and all the sites on the server seem to be working as before |
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| 10:17.37 | Zviratko | hi |
| 10:17.50 | Zviratko | anybody seen "Corrupted MAC on input" with SSH on squeezy? |
| 10:18.01 | Zviratko | or some other network corruption? |
| 10:18.24 | Zviratko | info: http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/browse_thread/thread/6a46275b8a1185e1 |
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| 10:28.16 | dutchfish | Zviratko: what kernel are you running on dom-0? |
| 10:29.28 | dutchfish | Zviratko: and what debian version? |
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| 10:31.54 | ov3rmind | Zviratko: under Brazil where i live don't have any organization offering suport at one {CRDA} server for this service over (80211) network devices class all user have disabled the resources off linux kernel and this produce strange network problems inside wired networks with have support at wireless outdoor. |
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| 10:41.53 | Zviratko | dutchfish: dom0 is running some ubuntu i think |
| 10:42.04 | molqr | hey guys ... i have noticed that debian installers come with an ability to take screenshots during installation phase ... how is that done? i mean if i need to install some other flavour how can i manage to do the same there |
| 10:42.13 | Zviratko | dutchfish: but the server (xen) has been running for a few years and it works fine |
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| 10:42.21 | Zviratko | dutchfish: problem is the new box (c2d) |
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| 10:43.35 | dutchfish | Zviratko: can you be more specific, ie i know of a few bugs in some kernels under xen (dom-0 related), this causing to loose packets, check ifconfig in dom-0 as a primer. |
| 10:45.19 | dutchfish | Zviratko: furthermore, udev changes in squeeze, specially 70-persistant rules, mac addressing scheme ha sbeen changed, this can be a pity on cloned installs. |
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| 10:45.42 | dutchfish | Zviratko: and hard to diagnose |
| 10:46.12 | dutchfish | Zviratko: furthermore, hotplug event dispatcher in squeeze has some minor issues too |
| 10:46.28 | dutchfish | Zviratko: rem squeeze is still testing ... |
| 10:47.18 | dutchfish | Zviratko: if you really determined to find out try ##xen |
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| 10:55.22 | dutchfish | Zviratko: i was assuming that you run squeeze as a vm under xen |
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| 11:25.53 | dutchfish | Dynamic Contrast Ratio is affected by some bits in latest open source radeon code, fyi |
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| 11:26.01 | dutchfish | oops xpost |
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| 11:41.11 | Zviratko | dutchfish: dope, read again :) |
| 11:41.20 | Zviratko | dutchfish: problem is with a physical machine with squeezy |
| 11:41.34 | Zviratko | dutchfish: and I have no problems with networking or firewall, just packet corruption |
| 11:41.58 | Zviratko | dutchfish: just ran it through wireshark and there are some duplicate ACKs and retransmissions here... looks like a kernel bug to me |
| 11:42.58 | Zviratko | dutchfish: and those duplicate ACKs are _out_going... and within a few miliseconds of one another |
| 11:42.58 | dutchfish | Zviratko: where did you run wireshark, on the local machine or inside vm? |
| 11:44.13 | Zviratko | dutchfish: on the physical machine, tcpdump -s 0 -w xxx.... and then replayed it on my laptop in wireshark |
| 11:44.32 | dutchfish | Zviratko: ok |
| 11:44.36 | Zviratko | dutchfish: that's why I think it's a kernel bug, seeing duplicate ACKs on interface cannot be caused by hardware |
| 11:44.52 | Zviratko | dutchfish: i can give you the dump if you want |
| 11:45.37 | dutchfish | Zviratko: put in pastebin, make sure that you mask ip if relevant |
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| 11:48.06 | Zviratko | dutchfish: binary file? :) |
| 11:48.23 | Zviratko | dutchfish: i meant query, not publicly anyway.. |
| 11:48.52 | dutchfish | Zviratko: nah, i gues you have studied the pcap file already |
| 11:49.01 | Zviratko | yeah |
| 11:49.09 | Zviratko | though I don't know what "SACK" is |
| 11:49.32 | Zviratko | those duplicate ACKs have the same "SACK left edge" and different right edge |
| 11:50.28 | dutchfish | Zviratko: in my humble opinion ACK/SACK means in many cases dropped packets as i explained sooner. |
| 11:52.03 | dutchfish | Zviratko: either a firewall is hosing up (iptables on dom-0, your firewall, whatever) or there is simply bad hardware or hardware that has gone bad (if we exclude my first statement, problems with the dom-0 kernel) |
| 11:52.04 | Zviratko | dutchfish: dropped where? those are outgoing packets microseconds of one another... |
| 11:52.16 | Zviratko | forget dom0 |
| 11:52.22 | Zviratko | happens with my laptop also |
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| 11:52.34 | Zviratko | the problem is on the home server machine (physical core2duo) |
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| 11:53.47 | dutchfish | Zviratko: are there dropped packets in your ifconfig on your local machine? |
| 11:54.14 | stew | can SACK ever mean anything but dropped packets? |
| 11:54.50 | disposable | is there a way to set up multipath for an iSCSI target without LVM? I need as few things as possible to break. |
| 11:54.55 | Zviratko | dutchfish: nope |
| 11:55.02 | dutchfish | stew: yes, in uncorrectly configured iptables in dom-0, you can see the same in the VM's |
| 11:55.10 | dutchfish | stew: on xen |
| 11:55.13 | stew | ok |
| 11:55.16 | Zviratko | I may have cracked it |
| 11:55.28 | dutchfish | Zviratko: hit me |
| 11:55.32 | Zviratko | looks like my machine sends a combination of ACKs and SACKs |
| 11:55.43 | Zviratko | SACKs specify a sequence which was received |
| 11:56.10 | Zviratko | apparently everytime another packet is received, the SACK is resent with "right edge" increased to the previous packet's number |
| 11:56.16 | Zviratko | this doesn't make sense to me |
| 11:56.18 | stew | i suppose it could just be that packets are being received out of order |
| 11:56.31 | Zviratko | because all packets in previous SACK should not be (S)ACKed again |
| 11:56.43 | Zviratko | stew: that shouldn't matter... i think? |
| 11:56.53 | stew | no? |
| 11:57.00 | Zviratko | why send SACK for overlapping ranges anyway? |
| 11:57.40 | dutchfish | Zviratko: now thats the real q, and fyi it hasnt happen on any of my squeeze machines. |
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| 11:58.40 | Zviratko | dutchfish: i think it's a race condition of congested (yet fast) connection without much other traffic |
| 11:58.52 | Zviratko | or possibly some SMP desync problem... |
| 11:58.53 | Zviratko | no idea |
| 11:59.12 | dutchfish | Zviratko: what kernel on that local box? |
| 11:59.15 | Zviratko | I don't know if this could cause SSH MAC problems, doesn't make sense |
| 11:59.18 | jelly | is there a ready-made colorizing pipe tool to do something like "tail -f log | colorize '/discarded/{ red }; /accepted/ { green }' |
| 11:59.30 | Zviratko | 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 11:59.35 | dutchfish | Zviratko: oh can, believe me |
| 11:59.59 | dutchfish | Zviratko: i would triple check your NIC |
| 12:00.04 | EugenMayer | how was that bootdisk called to clone some HDD ( i need to clone a sata hda with debian lenny on a hda ( IDE ) in esxi) |
| 12:00.24 | dutchfish | Zviratko: or change cable and test that too |
| 12:00.36 | abrotman | EugenMayer: gparted ? |
| 12:00.47 | EugenMayer | abrotman: hrm, console tool |
| 12:00.50 | abrotman | dd ? |
| 12:00.56 | abrotman | cpio? tar? rsync? |
| 12:00.58 | Zviratko | dutchfish: NIC has nothing to do with this, I'm running tcpdump on outgoing traffic, that's not "loopback" |
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| 12:01.12 | Zviratko | dutchfish: also, two different NICs with completely different paths |
| 12:01.14 | EugenMayer | abrotman: rsync with "archive" is most probably the way + grub install |
| 12:01.33 | Zviratko | dutchfish: 1) direct gigabit to my laptop = problem 2) over internet through 50Mbit broadband = problem |
| 12:01.34 | EugenMayer | abrotman: but there is a really awesome tool for this, just like a live cd |
| 12:01.49 | stew | Zviratko: and what exactly is the problem? |
| 12:02.27 | Zviratko | stew: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=577747 |
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| 12:02.36 | Zviratko | stew: the last message is mine |
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| 12:04.05 | stew | Zviratko: you should probabliy be asking in a kernel specific or networking specific channel, you are more likely to get help there |
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| 12:04.12 | abrotman | EugenMayer: clonezilla ? |
| 12:04.20 | EugenMayer | abrotman: yes! Thanks! |
| 12:04.37 | Zviratko | stew: i guess... thanks anyway |
| 12:05.24 | abrotman | that's a CLI program? |
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| 12:06.08 | EugenMayer | well its not CLI, but it is actually a live cd |
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| 12:06.28 | EugenMayer | the debian has has no x-server, so thats why i need a "cli" programm, when i use the current host |
| 12:07.04 | thunwind | I need some advice on SSD + squeeze... I'd like to run encryption on my SSD but want trim support (native or with wiper.sh) Anyone know if it's better to do luks/dmcrypt + ext4, then use wiper.sh to get manual trim, or ext4 + native trim then ecryptfs on top? |
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| 12:08.14 | stew | Zviratko: if you haven't already, see if there is anything you can add to the two upstream bugs mentioned in that report |
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| 12:09.06 | stew | Zviratko: and since the upstream bugs mention it happening over multiple upstream version and from multiple vendor kernels, this is something that needs to be fixed upstream, its really not a debian specific issue |
| 12:09.10 | renanpantoja | to tentando instalar o debian 5.0.6 aqui numa maquina e esta dando sempre o seguinte erro após a tela de escolher o tipo da instalação: "Cannot allocate resource region 1 of device 0000:00:14.0 |
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| 12:09.27 | renanpantoja | to tentando instalar o debian 5.0.6 aqui numa maquina e esta dando sempre o seguinte erro após a tela de escolher o tipo da instalação: "Cannot allocate resource region 1 of device 0000:00:14.0 |
| 12:09.58 | stew | !br |
| 12:09.58 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 12:10.41 | renanpantoja | trying to install debian 5.0.6 on a machine here and it always gives the following error after the screen to choose the type of installation: "Can not allocate resource region 1 of device 0000:00:14.0 - is the second DVD, and nothing ! |
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| 12:31.23 | jelly | renanpantoja: this sounds like an PCI resource allocation issue. Quirks for PCI are often added in the kernel, so you could try using an installer with a newer kernel, like the one from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 12:31.48 | dutchfish | Zviratko: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=de213e5eedecdfb1b1eea7e6be28bc64cac5c078 |
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| 12:35.37 | BScherrer | Hi, I've got a weird problem: Debian confuses my /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdb1 partitions (formerly a raid, but not any longer). Grub boots from real sda1 but then uses sdb1 as sda1 (sdb1 is mounted on / but it says it would be sda1) |
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| 12:39.03 | jelly | BScherrer: use labels or uuids in /etc/fstab and root=, and change label and uuid on at least one copy |
| 12:39.45 | jelly | BScherrer: relevant tools: e2label, tune2fs, uuidgen |
| 12:40.19 | Zviratko | dutchfish: thanks, but it does with old + new kernel as well as new + new kernel |
| 12:40.20 | BScherrer | jelly: now that I look this up... they really have the same uuid! Thanks for the tip, I try to change it |
| 12:40.46 | Zviratko | dutchfish: i suppose this is a pre-2.6.32 patch... |
| 12:41.04 | jelly | BScherrer: both /etc/fstab and root= boot parameter accept LABEL=foo and UUID=dead-babe-... in place of /dev/stuff |
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| 12:41.20 | dutchfish | Zviratko: i have no clue but i just wanted you to know also: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git&a=search&h=HEAD&st=commit&s=SACK |
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| 12:41.53 | dutchfish | Zviratko: hope it helps a bit in search |
| 12:42.10 | jelly | BScherrer: oh, and blkid is handy to look all that information up |
| 12:42.17 | dutchfish | Zviratko: i havent encountered so far, but that doesnt mean a thing |
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| 12:43.22 | Zviratko | dutchfish: thanks :) |
| 12:43.26 | Zviratko | dutchfish: a lot |
| 12:43.30 | dutchfish | Zviratko: yw |
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| 12:45.55 | niklaswe | hmm has someone get dockstation to work with linux i using dockstation i have a lenovo thinpad w500 |
| 12:46.56 | abrotman | what about it doesn't work? |
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| 12:49.26 | niklaswe | i have my external monitor, when connect the dock station, i cant get my external monitor to show the desktop |
| 12:49.36 | niklaswe | only my laptop monitor owkrin |
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| 12:53.37 | mathiaz | my users have secondary groups |
| 12:54.00 | mathiaz | so i had them in the my ldap group, with memberUid |
| 12:54.12 | mathiaz | everything seems ok, when i try a getent group |
| 12:54.20 | mathiaz | but on my debian, when i am doing "groups myuser" |
| 12:54.29 | mathiaz | the secondary group does nt appear |
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| 12:54.37 | mathiaz | where the error could be???? |
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| 13:06.32 | jelly | niklaswe: does it work better if you shut down the machine, dock it, and power it on while docked? |
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| 13:07.44 | jelly | niklaswe: also, is there any difference in "xrandr" output between an undocked and docked state? |
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| 13:11.10 | tarek | hi guys, i wanted to know hot to access a serial console? |
| 13:11.24 | jelly | niklaswe: also2, check thinkwiki. http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Switchable_Graphics |
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| 13:15.57 | gypsymauro | hi |
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| 13:16.28 | Jef91 | I am wondering how I would go about creating a .deb file that would extract it's contents to two different folders. I would have one file directory that should be extracted to /opt and I have a second that should be extracted to the current user's home folder and /etc/skel - How would I go about doing this? |
| 13:16.55 | gypsymauro | there is a way to make debian as small as possible? I mean deleting documentations, strip libraries and so on, there is a document on how to achieve this? |
| 13:17.55 | blackshirt | yes |
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| 13:18.24 | acemi | gypsymauro: www.emdebian.org |
| 13:19.52 | blackshirt | apt-show-version |
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| 13:21.18 | gypsymauro | acemi: great |
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| 13:32.00 | eeelumbella | hi there. i have a question: i got this 8tb usb3.0 raid system at work. i got to format it for our server. but if i plug it in, nothing happens. it appears in "lsusb" but is not recognized as an external harddrive |
| 13:32.05 | eeelumbella | any ideas? |
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| 13:32.36 | eeelumbella | i have it plugged to an usb2.0 of course |
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| 13:33.31 | eeelumbella | i'm not sure if the current kernel supports such big harddrives. does anybody know that? |
| 13:36.03 | eeelumbella | i don't want to do something special with it, only formatting... |
| 13:36.12 | abrotman | eeelumbella: what is your kernel? |
| 13:36.22 | abrotman | and did you look in syslog or messages ? |
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| 13:38.46 | niklaswe | jelly: itÅ the same when i shutdown the computer.. and the dockstation is from usb.. |
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| 13:39.25 | eeelumbella | abrotman, i'm not sure, which kernel, but i found someting about a device called sdb in the syslog |
| 13:39.33 | abrotman | eeelumbella: uname -r |
| 13:40.06 | eeelumbella | 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 13:40.43 | abrotman | okay .. so can you paste the relevant syslog bits in paste.debian.net ? |
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| 13:42.08 | eeelumbella | abrotman, http://paste.debian.net/97479/ |
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| 13:42.39 | eeelumbella | i plugged it out and in recently |
| 13:42.40 | abrotman | eeelumbella: so if you `fdisk -l /dev/sdb/' ... do you see the partition ? |
| 13:42.48 | BScherrer | jelly: Thanks a lot, it works correctly now! |
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| 13:42.51 | abrotman | though it says it's not partitioned |
| 13:43.19 | eeelumbella | abrotman, nope, no output... |
| 13:43.30 | abrotman | sorrty |
| 13:43.36 | abrotman | eeelumbella: so if you `fdisk -l /dev/sdb' ... do you see the partition ? ... no trailing slash |
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| 13:44.32 | eeelumbella | abrotman, did it without slash, no output. it also does not get tab-completed. theres only sda and some other devices... |
| 13:44.45 | abrotman | and if you replug it, same issue ? |
| 13:44.57 | abrotman | there's no /dev/sdb at all ? |
| 13:45.03 | abrotman | or /dev/sdb* ? |
| 13:45.14 | abrotman | oh, nevermind .. i see it disconnecting |
| 13:45.26 | eeelumbella | nope, no /dev/sdb |
| 13:45.36 | abrotman | yeah, the syslog shows it disconnecting |
| 13:46.01 | abrotman | unless tha'ts you pulling the plug |
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| 13:46.35 | abrotman | which is kind of what it seems given that it's 10 minutes later or so |
| 13:46.59 | djszapi | can someone give me a hint where the debian package manager extract the deb files in the code ? I would like to do something similar from C. |
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| 13:47.26 | abrotman | djszapi: i'm sure there's a library you can use |
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| 13:47.55 | eeelumbella | abrotman, might be, but i also get no connection after re-plugging... |
| 13:47.59 | djszapi | abrotman: it is not the point, it is pretty abvious it is. |
| 13:48.17 | djszapi | it is more like that if it is already written in dpkg's codebase, I should just copy and paste it. |
| 13:48.21 | abrotman | djszapi: so you want to reimplement something that's already been done? and oyu want one of us to guide you to it? |
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| 13:49.05 | eeelumbella | abrotman, it seems, theres happening a lot after plugging in: Oct 21 15:46:37 robert-eee kernel: [108081.574549] usb 1-4: SerialNumber: DAA0720376FF |
| 13:49.06 | eeelumbella | Oct 21 15:46:37 robert-eee kernel: [108081.574938] usb 1-4: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice |
| 13:49.06 | eeelumbella | Oct 21 15:46:37 robert-eee kernel: [108081.578537] scsi22 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices |
| 13:49.06 | eeelumbella | Oct 21 15:46:37 robert-eee kernel: [108081.579595] usb-storage: device found at 49 |
| 13:49.06 | eeelumbella | Oct 21 15:46:37 robert-eee kernel: [108081.579608] usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning |
| 13:49.06 | dsirijus | what's ServerName in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
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| 13:49.06 | dsirijus | ? |
| 13:49.10 | djszapi | yes |
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| 13:49.21 | eeelumbella | Oct 21 15:46:42 robert-eee kernel: [108086.590313] scsi 22:0:0:3: Direct-Access WDC WD20 EARS-00MVWB0 PQ: 0 ANSI: 2 CCS |
| 13:49.21 | abrotman | eeelumbella: it's weird that it sees it, chooses config #1, then can't find it later |
| 13:49.26 | eeelumbella | Oct 21 15:46:42 robert-eee kernel: [108086.602797] sd 22:0:0:0: [sdb] 3907029168 512-byte logical blocks: (2.00 TB/1.81 TiB) |
| 13:49.29 | eeelumbella | Oct 21 15:46:42 robert-eee kernel: [108086.603680] sd 22:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off |
| 13:49.31 | eeelumbella | Oct 21 15:46:42 robert-eee kernel: [108086.603702] sd 22:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 28 00 00 00 |
| 13:49.33 | eeelumbella | Oct 21 15:46:42 robert-eee kernel: [108086.603714] sd 22:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through |
| 13:49.33 | abrotman | eeelumbella: use a pastebin |
| 13:49.35 | eeelumbella | Oct 21 15:46:42 robert-eee kernel: [108086.606270] sd 22:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through |
| 13:49.35 | djszapi | eeelumbella: STOP !!! |
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| 13:49.37 | eeelumbella | Oct 21 15:46:42 robert-eee kernel: [108086.606295] sdb: |
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| 13:49.38 | djszapi | eeelumbella: STOP !!! |
| 13:49.39 | eeelumbella | Oct 21 15:46:42 robert-eee kernel: [108086.619978] sd 22:0:0:2: [sdd] 3907029168 512-byte logical blocks: (2.00 TB/1.81 TiB) |
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| 13:49.46 | abrotman | eeelumbella: please /cycle |
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| 13:50.19 | noob-tux | can i ask something? i'm new to debian.....which is a good debian to start with? like in ubuntu there's karmic lucid and maverick in debian which one is good to start? thanx |
| 13:50.35 | f8l | noob-tux: Stable. ;-) |
| 13:50.49 | djszapi | abrotman: so any idea ? |
| 13:50.54 | eeelumbella | sorry all for the inconvenience. had something wrong in my clipboard :/ |
| 13:50.59 | disposable | is there a way to set up multipath for an iSCSI target without LVM? I need as few things as possible to break. |
| 13:50.59 | abrotman | djszapi: read the source .. i'm not reading it for you |
| 13:51.04 | djszapi | as I see it is not that trivial to get the dpkg source ... |
| 13:51.17 | djszapi | abrotman: it is not reading question at all |
| 13:51.26 | djszapi | it is more like whether someone is already familiar with that. |
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| 13:53.23 | stonie | hiho.. after a dist-upgrade im getting errors with start-scripts... http://pastebin.org/389495 .. these are own written scripts that need to be run at boottime.. how can i solve that? |
| 13:54.36 | abrotman | stonie: dist-upgrade to what? |
| 13:54.59 | abrotman | eeelumbella: if you reboot, does it change at all ? also make sure your kernel is up to date |
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| 13:56.17 | stonie | linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-686 to linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 ... just distupgraded within testing |
| 13:56.39 | stonie | i ran testing before.. now there were many packages upgraded |
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| 13:58.28 | eeelumbella | abrotman, kernel is up to date but i will reboot now |
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| 14:00.18 | frikinz | stonie: this might help: http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts |
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| 14:00.44 | frikinz | What's kworker kernel thread? It keeps the cpu quite high. |
| 14:00.55 | djszapi | seriously, where can I find the dpkg source code ? |
| 14:01.17 | frikinz | djszapi: apt-get source dpkg |
| 14:01.18 | djszapi | I cannot see any GIT repository or something like that the way is all in other projects. |
| 14:01.33 | djszapi | no, I do not want to download it at all. |
| 14:01.43 | djszapi | I would like just to browse it on a webinterface. |
| 14:03.00 | Agiofws | hello |
| 14:03.16 | Agiofws | can anyone tell me what lib is implicit declaration of function gzopen64 in ? |
| 14:03.26 | djszapi | so is there a dpkg webinterface ? |
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| 14:03.32 | djszapi | cgit or something like that I bet. |
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| 14:03.55 | frikinz | djszapi: http://git.debian.org/?p=dpkg/dpkg.git;a=summary |
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| 14:04.45 | djszapi | kool, ty :) |
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| 14:05.14 | Agiofws | implicit declaration of function gzopen64 what package is that lib. included in ? |
| 14:05.29 | djszapi | frikinz: is not there an http protocol for cloning ? |
| 14:05.32 | djszapi | is it serious ? |
| 14:05.37 | kasperww | I've been looking for a amd64 debian iso with gnome desktop, is it true that there is no iso with this preinstalled? |
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| 14:06.05 | kasperww | debian testing |
| 14:06.28 | eeelumbella | abrotman, now i see every harddrive connected. but there are four which should be in raid5... |
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| 14:06.56 | eeelumbella | i see four harddrives with 2tb each instead of one with 6tb |
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| 14:11.19 | abrotman | oh jeez .. sorry |
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| 14:11.32 | abrotman | eeelumbella: sorry, was doing real work :) |
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| 14:11.40 | abrotman | kasperww: yes, it exists |
| 14:12.02 | abrotman | eeelumbella: does the external device do real RAID? or fakeraid? |
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| 14:12.18 | eeelumbella | abrotman, i hope real raid |
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| 14:13.10 | abrotman | eeelumbella: i mean, you could always do it as mdraid |
| 14:13.13 | kasperww | Where should I look, I've been browsing the ftp but I don't seem to find it. |
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| 14:15.41 | eeelumbella | abrotman, i is real raid. |
| 14:16.31 | eeelumbella | it has a usb3.0 port at the hdd, but i used a usb2.0-cable. should that matter? |
| 14:16.38 | inc0 | how can I change refresh rate of my monitor(command line only) |
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| 14:19.53 | RichiH | how do i set parameters for kernel "modules" that are compiled into the kernel? |
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| 14:23.41 | stew | RichiH: pass them on the kernel command line |
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| 14:24.08 | stew | RichiH: if you used to do "modprobe modulename option=value" add "modulename.option=value" on the kernel command line |
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| 14:25.02 | stew | RichiH: or you can often alter them at runtime by messing in /sys/module/modulename/option |
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| 14:25.46 | RichiH | stew: i need runtime. thanks :) |
| 14:26.01 | stew | RichiH: try "echo value > /sys/module/modulename/optionname" |
| 14:28.05 | RichiH | stew: no files with the names of options exist, yet |
| 14:28.20 | RichiH | or will the kernel magically only allow me to write to "files" it thinks are OK? |
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| 14:28.51 | stew | RichiH: you now know as much as I do :) but my guess is that the module authors were too lazy to let you do what you want |
| 14:29.12 | RichiH | fuck (tm) |
| 14:29.25 | RichiH | oh well, i'll just rebuild the kernel to be sure |
| 14:29.33 | stew | are you claiming that to be an identifying mark of yours? |
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| 14:30.16 | jhutchins_lt | Don't module options usually go in the modprobe files? |
| 14:30.31 | stew | not when they are built into the kernel |
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| 14:31.29 | jhutchins_lt | I haven't seen the /sys/module method used before. |
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| 14:35.59 | nas2 | Hye all.. |
| 14:37.19 | RichiH | stew: no, i am merely stating that i am using the trademarked term |
| 14:37.39 | RichiH | stew: if you happen to think that no one could possible trademark that term, think again |
| 14:37.47 | RichiH | chuck norris registered it |
| 14:37.54 | stew | of course he did |
| 14:38.22 | kwork | i doubt he registered it, he owned it by default |
| 14:38.33 | abrotman | whoops, i keep getting called away .. now i feel bad |
| 14:39.06 | RichiH | kwork: he thought he might want it and it registered itself |
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| 14:42.19 | frikinz | What's kworker kernel thread? It keeps my cpu quite high with recent kernels. Not so easy to get info with "kworker" in google |
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| 14:50.48 | frikinz | ah found something http://lwn.net/Articles/403891/ |
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| 14:57.26 | antivirtel | hello all, where can I lookup my last errors, because it wrote: "1 failure since last login" ? |
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| 15:01.49 | ondrejk | antivirtel: dmesg or tail /var/log/syslog |
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| 15:04.08 | antivirtel | ondrejk ok, I try |
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| 15:07.42 | tharkun | !ops Kitty_Away is a bot |
| 15:07.42 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: tharkun complains about: Kitty_Away is a bot |
| 15:07.54 | LoRez | so? |
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| 15:08.04 | tharkun | LoRez: Spaming bot |
| 15:08.10 | LoRez | that's different. |
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| 15:08.30 | tharkun | LoRez: sorry for the lack of detail |
| 15:08.31 | LoRez | stew: ? |
| 15:08.52 | stew | didn't hit me, i'd guess because of my cloak |
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| 15:09.09 | tharkun | LoRez: Want me to pm you its message ? |
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| 15:09.44 | LoRez | you can, but it needs to spam one of us or multiple people need to be saying something |
| 15:09.58 | tharkun | LoRez: ok |
| 15:10.10 | streuner_ | LoRez: got nothing |
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| 15:10.38 | streuner_ | hm |
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| 15:10.58 | inc0 | ah, crap...anyone had problem with debian and radeon5775? |
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| 15:11.11 | jhutchins_lt | Nothing here. |
| 15:11.25 | dwq | do you channel ops just ban spammers from this channel? |
| 15:11.32 | tharkun | Nothing here also |
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| 15:11.47 | bzed | inc0: did you follow what dpkg told you yesterday? |
| 15:11.50 | inc0 | still cant get rid of problem- my X doesnt work at all...only little window with "Hz ?"in it - window generated by monitor |
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| 15:12.07 | inc0 | bzed: well, partialy- problems occur with this solution |
| 15:12.17 | LoRez | Kitty_Away: don't be pming #debian-ites w/o them saying it's ok |
| 15:12.17 | jhutchins_lt | Had to install guidance-power-manager |
| 15:12.29 | jhutchins_lt | Don't appear to have kde-plasma-desktop |
| 15:12.30 | inc0 | when I try to compile fglrx module I got errors |
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| 15:12.42 | bzed | inc0: don't compile it |
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| 15:12.53 | bzed | inc0: do you have lenny or squeeze? |
| 15:12.53 | jhutchins_lt | Is plasma known to be a performance hit? |
| 15:12.57 | inc0 | lenny |
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| 15:13.08 | inc0 | I'm using module-assistant |
| 15:13.12 | bzed | !tell inc0 about fglxr oneliner lenny |
| 15:13.17 | bzed | !tell inc0 about fglxr one-liner lenny |
| 15:13.21 | bzed | gah :) |
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| 15:13.47 | bzed | !tell inc0 about fglrx one-liner lenny |
| 15:14.14 | craigevil | jhutchins_lt: not if you disable the shiny desktop effects |
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| 15:14.31 | bzed | inc0: there are prebuilt packages with the driver |
| 15:14.47 | jhutchins_lt | craigevil: Looks like they're off by default. All I've really noticed is a "smooth" scroll of the window list with alt-tab. |
| 15:15.17 | craigevil | yes should be off if you do not have Composting in xorg.conf |
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| 15:17.13 | inc0 | bzed additionaly, there seems to be mistake in this solution you gave |
| 15:17.32 | inc0 | there is no such package as fglrx-2.6-amd64 |
| 15:17.49 | inc0 | fglrx-modules-... ** |
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| 15:18.11 | inc0 | there is only fglrx-kernel-sources, which I was compiling |
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| 15:21.29 | bzed | inc0: whats in your /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 15:22.00 | bzed | inc0: and do you have i386 or amd64 installed there? |
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| 15:22.25 | inc0 | amd64 |
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| 15:22.53 | inc0 | and sources.list are basic debian with main contrib non-free |
| 15:23.02 | dud | hi, i can not install evolution in debian-testing because when i run aptitude search evolution only found 2 entries of evolution (evolution-openoffice...) |
| 15:23.05 | bzed | inc0: hmm, there is no prebuilt package indeed |
| 15:23.05 | inc0 | cant paste it because its on other pc:) |
| 15:23.09 | dud | why? |
| 15:23.34 | bzed | inc0: could you copy the log files from modules-assistant? |
| 15:23.56 | Xanbreon | fglrx moved from using the prebuilt modules to using dkms |
| 15:24.14 | bzed | Xanbreon: for sure not in lenny |
| 15:24.16 | stew | dud: why can't you install the evolution package? do you get an error? |
| 15:24.27 | bzed | dud: I see 2.30.3-2 in testing. |
| 15:24.30 | Xanbreon | bzed: Oh, yeh, true |
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| 15:24.55 | dud | stew..no.. i not found evolution packages with aptitude search evolution |
| 15:25.09 | bzed | inc0: are you a beginner with linux? or do you know how to keep a system updated? if so, you might want to install squeeze instead of lenny... |
| 15:25.11 | stew | dud: can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy" ? |
| 15:25.16 | stew | dud: use a pastebin |
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| 15:25.23 | dud | ok.. one second please |
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| 15:26.02 | inc0 | bzed: I'm not that newbie;) I just cant copy vim output between pcs:) |
| 15:26.15 | inc0 | tfu terminal output |
| 15:27.14 | inc0 | "implicit declaration of function..." |
| 15:27.21 | inc0 | sounds like programming error |
| 15:27.27 | dud | stew: http://pastebin.com/QghkHcPU |
| 15:27.36 | bzed | inc0: put the whole output into a pastebin please? :) |
| 15:27.42 | RichiH | any suggestions on a minimal rss-feed generator? |
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| 15:27.50 | bzed | RichiH: ikiwiki? :) |
| 15:28.00 | RichiH | bzed: too large for what i have in mind |
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| 15:28.45 | bzed | RichiH: from what do you want to create a feed? |
| 15:29.39 | inc0 | ok, newbie question:P where does log from module-assistant compilation land? |
| 15:29.41 | RichiH | bzed: ideally a text file in which i write title: foo\ntext: bar\n |
| 15:29.54 | RichiH | bzed: though ikiwiki was my planned fall-back |
| 15:30.04 | bzed | inc0: somewhere in /var/cache/modass |
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| 15:30.50 | bzed | RichiH: maybe look if python-pyrss2gen provides something which is suitable for your needs |
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| 15:32.55 | kefalo | can someone tell me whats wrong with this line because apache doesnt get it? <FilesMatch "\.(inc|tpl|h|ihtml|sql|ini|conf|class|bin|spd|theme|module|exe)$"> |
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| 15:33.24 | Strogg | 'lo 'lo |
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| 15:34.07 | dud | stew: any error? |
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| 15:34.34 | Strogg | I'm setting an apt repo via mini-dinstall and dput, and most it seems to work, but it's not adding the packages I upload to the Packages.gz file. dput isn't reporting any errors though. any idea what I'm doing wrong here? |
| 15:34.41 | bzed | kefalo: that looks correct |
| 15:34.45 | Strogg | s/most/mostly/ |
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| 15:36.22 | kefalo | bzed, thats what i thought. but it doesnt work. after it i have deny from all ... and closed filesmatch |
| 15:36.38 | bzed | kefalo: define(doesn't work) :) |
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| 15:37.24 | kefalo | bzed, well i want that files that match that regexp are denied by webserver to service it to clients |
| 15:37.36 | kefalo | huh.. |
| 15:37.47 | kefalo | i hope i'm clear enough :D |
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| 15:38.17 | bzed | kefalo: guess you need to post your whole config to a pastebin |
| 15:39.23 | dino- | Just installed a system from scratch, squeeze. And I see that openntpd is no longer available via apt. Having trouble finding out what I should use instead. |
| 15:39.36 | dino- | This is a server system that never gets rebooted. |
| 15:39.40 | dino- | Well, very rarely |
| 15:40.13 | dino- | ntpdate via cron job is icky, as I understand it |
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| 15:40.50 | kefalo | bzed, here http://pastebin.com/r0SqgR8X |
| 15:41.08 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions ntp |
| 15:41.10 | judd | Package ntp on i386 -- etch: 1:4.2.2.p4+dfsg-2etch4; etch-security: 1:4.2.2.p4+dfsg-2etch4; lenny: 1:4.2.4p4+dfsg-8lenny3; lenny-security: 1:4.2.4p4+dfsg-8lenny3; sid: 1:4.2.6.p2+dfsg-1+b1; squeeze: 1:4.2.6.p2+dfsg-1+b1 |
| 15:41.31 | kefalo | thats config i created in /etc/apache2/conf.d/custom.conf |
| 15:42.05 | kefalo | bzed, libwww-perl deny works... but filesmatch not |
| 15:42.05 | jhutchins_lt | dino-: ntp works. |
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| 15:42.47 | cesurasean | Can someone tell me why dropbox won't load up with Gnome, on Squeeze, yet when i run 'dropbox start -i' from command line with super user privs, the program starts up and runs fine?? |
| 15:42.53 | stew | dud: can you show us your sources.list? it looks like perhaps you are missing a "main" mirror |
| 15:43.25 | jhutchins_lt | cesurasean: Possibly dropbox support could. |
| 15:43.44 | cesurasean | jhutchins_lt, I doubt it. |
| 15:44.18 | cesurasean | dropbox is part of the debian repo in Sid. |
| 15:44.39 | dino- | Ah, I think I missed it by searching apt for ntpd, which only shows me a tiny handful of things including ntpdate. |
| 15:45.00 | dino- | But ntp package contains /usr/sbin/ntpd |
| 15:47.26 | dino- | thank you |
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| 15:48.13 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions dropbox |
| 15:48.13 | bzed | kefalo: try to move the filesmatch part into the directory part |
| 15:48.15 | judd | Package dropbox on i386 -- sid/non-free: 0.8.107-1 |
| 15:48.42 | bzed | kefalo: oh location... |
| 15:48.46 | bzed | kefalo: use directory instead |
| 15:49.01 | bzed | kefalo: and the directory where your files reside |
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| 15:49.42 | cesurasean | Can someone tell me why I can only run 'dropbox start -i' successfully using root? |
| 15:49.46 | cesurasean | how can i load this with gnome, under root? |
| 15:49.49 | jhutchins_lt | cesurasean: If you're having to launch it as root in the console, you'd need whatever sudo util your desktop uses to launch it in the GUI, or set it sticky. |
| 15:49.53 | kefalo | bzed, ill try now |
| 15:50.11 | cesurasean | what do you mean set it to sticky? |
| 15:50.18 | inc0 | I dont get it |
| 15:50.22 | jhutchins_lt | cesurasean: If you're running stuff from sid YOU'RE supposed to tell US how to use it. |
| 15:50.26 | inc0 | I'm copying log to my usb |
| 15:50.36 | cesurasean | so, add sudo dropbox start -i to the command? |
| 15:50.46 | inc0 | cp /var/cache/modass/log /media/usb/log |
| 15:50.53 | jhutchins_lt | cesurasean: gsudo |
| 15:50.54 | inc0 | and I can see log in debian |
| 15:51.09 | inc0 | but when I plug out my usb and plug in in this px |
| 15:51.12 | inc0 | its not there |
| 15:51.27 | jhutchins_lt | inc0: Did you un-mount the drive before you un-plugged it? |
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| 15:51.39 | cesurasean | how do i edit my applications list? |
| 15:51.40 | inc0 | even turned off px |
| 15:51.42 | inc0 | pc |
| 15:52.20 | cesurasean | gsudo no such file or directory |
| 15:52.32 | kefalo | bzed, it doesnt work... |
| 15:53.27 | bzed | kefalo: how does your config look like now? |
| 15:53.34 | cesurasean | jhutchins_lt, when I put sudo in the command line, doesn't seem to work... |
| 15:53.37 | bzed | kefalo: and what else is in your vhost config? replace private stuff, but show the full config please |
| 15:53.53 | kefalo | bzed, ill do it now w8 sec |
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| 15:55.47 | jhutchins_lt | xulrunner is certainly munching a lot of cpu in squeeze |
| 15:55.59 | jhutchins_lt | cesurasean: Not surprizing. Have you configured sudo? |
| 15:56.17 | kefalo | bzed, here http://pastebin.com/XpGcSWuW |
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| 15:57.20 | jhutchins_lt | cesurasean: gsudo usually doesn't require manual configuration and that's what you should use in gnome. |
| 15:57.26 | cesurasean | No, I haven't configured sudo.... |
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| 15:57.48 | cesurasean | how do i install gsudo, but configuring sudo? |
| 15:57.54 | cesurasean | by* |
| 15:57.55 | jhutchins_lt | cesurasean: I would think this would be covered in /usr/share/doc/dropbox/* |
| 15:57.58 | docgnome | trying to disable the pc speaker but i don't seem to have a pcspkr module loaded... |
| 15:58.13 | bzed | kefalo: add a Order allow,deny within the filesmatch part |
| 15:58.21 | bzed | kefalo: missed that before I guess :) |
| 15:58.24 | raidghost | Any new releases for squirrelmail yet? Running lenny with 1.4.15 |
| 15:58.29 | jhutchins_lt | cesurasean: It should be part of a standard gnome. Depending on your version they may have renamed it, I do't run gnome and don't know. |
| 15:58.35 | raidghost | And the latest version is 1.4.23 |
| 15:58.36 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions gsudo |
| 15:58.38 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'gsudo' was found in i386. |
| 15:58.55 | inc0 | uff -> log from module-assistant with errors of compiling fglrx http://www.nopaste.pl/u2n |
| 15:58.59 | themill | itym "gksudo" (gksu) |
| 15:59.18 | kefalo | bzed, doesnt help... i tried it already and tried now... nothing |
| 15:59.33 | bzed | kefalo: hmm, thats weird. |
| 15:59.39 | kefalo | bzed, yeah! |
| 15:59.50 | jhutchins_lt | cesurasean: Ok, confirmed that I don't know the name of the sudo tool in gnome. |
| 16:00.26 | docgnome | any ideas how to disable a pcspeaker when i don't have the pcspkr module loaded? |
| 16:00.28 | jhutchins_lt | cesurasean: How about that, gnome-sudo |
| 16:00.36 | kefalo | bzed, as you can see i tried using just .conf but that doesnt work too... |
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| 16:01.00 | bzed | kefalo: try without fiilesmatch, just block access to the directory |
| 16:01.23 | kefalo | docgnome, try setting bell to visual or none in /etc/inputrc |
| 16:01.35 | bzed | kefalo: Order allow,deny \n Deny from all |
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| 16:01.42 | kefalo | bzed, sec |
| 16:02.07 | bzed | kefalo: if that sitll doesn't work, there is something else buggy. maybe apache reads the wrong config or so |
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| 16:02.55 | kefalo | bzed, how can that be.. its config file of virtualhost |
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| 16:03.05 | kefalo | and other configuration settings work perfectly |
| 16:03.18 | kefalo | maybe i need some modules loaded for filesmatch? |
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| 16:03.49 | docgnome | kefalo: didn't work, but it pointed me in the right direction. setterm -bfreq 0 did. thanks |
| 16:03.58 | bzed | kefalo: no idea. is all access blocked to the directory? |
| 16:04.09 | stew | kefalo: FilesMatch is core: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/core.html#filesmatch |
| 16:04.22 | kefalo | i can access files if i type them in address bar |
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| 16:04.28 | stew | (meaning no, you don't need modules) |
| 16:04.45 | bzed | kefalo: are you sure you told your apache to re-read the config? |
| 16:04.50 | kefalo | stew, thx... i was just asking to be sure |
| 16:04.57 | bzed | kefalo: (and are you sure it did so?) |
| 16:04.58 | kefalo | bzed, yes |
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| 16:05.15 | kefalo | bzed, reloaded 100 times cuz of this filesmatch |
| 16:05.34 | bzed | kefalo: try a restart... |
| 16:05.38 | kefalo | bzed, well i can restart |
| 16:05.41 | kefalo | bzed, ok |
| 16:05.42 | stew | kefalo: where exactly are you putting FilesMatch? in what section of which file? |
| 16:05.47 | bzed | kefalo: maybe I'm blind, but on the first look I don't see the issue |
| 16:06.03 | cesurasean | Why is this dropbox command not opening up dropbox without using root?? |
| 16:06.06 | bzed | stew: actually there should be on;y a directory tag being left |
| 16:06.06 | Led_Zeppelin | is it possible to limit the number of logins per user? |
| 16:06.08 | kefalo | stew, http://pastebin.com/XpGcSWuW |
| 16:06.12 | cesurasean | Can someone explain this to me? |
| 16:06.16 | inc0 | ehh errors looks like programming error to me |
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| 16:06.22 | Led_Zeppelin | for example, I don't want more than 10 active logins of a user on a server. |
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| 16:06.50 | stew | kefalo: do you perhaps need "Order deny,allow"? |
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| 16:07.10 | bzed | kefalo: probably show your current config |
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| 16:07.54 | kefalo | ill paste current config now |
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| 16:10.30 | kefalo | stew, bzed here is current conf http://pastebin.com/6CJUXby4 |
| 16:11.06 | ma3x | i'm trying to compile 2.6.36 but i get this error http://debian.pastebin.com/vQbKnDff does anyone know workaround? |
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| 16:12.04 | stew | kefalo: does it work outside of the <Directory> |
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| 16:12.05 | kefalo | i restarted apache2 reloaded it still doesnt work... its rly weird! |
| 16:12.16 | kefalo | stew no but i can try again |
| 16:12.26 | bzed | kefalo: or try without the filesmatch tags |
| 16:12.29 | bzed | kefalo: only trhe directory |
| 16:12.35 | bzed | kefalo: then no access should be allowed |
| 16:12.43 | bzed | kefalo: if that doesn't work, something else is *wrong* |
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| 16:13.03 | stew | are we sure we are hitting this VirtualHost at all? |
| 16:13.21 | bzed | stew: kefalo thinks so |
| 16:13.29 | bzed | but I start thinking we're not |
| 16:13.30 | kefalo | well example |
| 16:13.46 | kefalo | i could change Options -Indexes to + |
| 16:13.50 | kefalo | and then we can see |
| 16:14.18 | kefalo | that change was accepted |
| 16:14.25 | kefalo | now i can browse dirs |
| 16:16.44 | kefalo | haha! i just cant believe it! this is so simple... and it bugs me 2h already! |
| 16:16.55 | jelly | how do I create extra/custom ia32-* packages? I require 32bit libdevmapper.so for a commercial backup app |
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| 16:16.57 | docgnome | is there a way to tell if my wireless card is using 802.11a or 802.11n ? |
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| 16:17.22 | bzed | kefalo: what was it? typo in the directory? |
| 16:18.15 | kefalo | bzed, its not working... |
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| 16:19.03 | bzed | kefalo: are you sure that the directory name is right? |
| 16:19.28 | kefalo | 100% |
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| 16:19.41 | kefalo | i will check it now 1 more time |
| 16:19.45 | kefalo | cuz im going crazy! |
| 16:19.49 | themill | jelly: the existing ia32-* packages basically just copy in the .debs of the i386 archives as "source" and then arrange for the files to end up in the right place in their "rules" to then spit out the .deb. |
| 16:20.23 | themill | jelly: I'd suggest "apt-get source ia32-libs" but a kitten dies every time someone does that. |
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| 16:20.50 | inc0 | bzed: did u found anything useful in log? http://www.nopaste.pl/u2n |
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| 16:22.54 | cesurasean | When I run sudo dropbox start -i, it just hangs.... |
| 16:23.15 | cesurasean | How come dropbox start -i can only be run as root? is this permissions thing? |
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| 16:23.39 | AZora | In attempting to install debian I have attempted unetboot from my testing fork iso and downloading hd-media. Unetboot failed because I don't have CDrom, and hd-media clais there is no kernel availavble despite my ability to see one in the package list. Presumed version mismatch between hd-media and ISO. I *NEED* the testing fork kernel. Link to compatible? |
| 16:24.14 | aidan | Is there any non-sid way to use cabal? http://packages.debian.org/sid/cabal-install |
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| 16:24.40 | bzed | inc0: do you have /usr/src/modules/fglrx/kcl_ioctl.c ? |
| 16:24.46 | m3asmi | chmod not working like I impose |
| 16:25.14 | themill | cesurasean: is "man dropbox" unhelpful? For non-free software, you might do better asking the people who write it. |
| 16:25.20 | inc0 | bzed: yes |
| 16:25.50 | jhutchins_lt | !tell cesurasean about sudo |
| 16:26.01 | jhutchins_lt | themill: It's turned up in sid nonfree |
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| 16:26.26 | themill | jhutchins_lt: yes... hence me saying that for non-free software, you might do better asking the people who wrote it |
| 16:26.43 | kefalo | bzed, stew dirname, virtualhost conf file are both right |
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| 16:27.19 | jhutchins_lt | themill: Possibly even reading the docs. I tried to tell him to use gnome-sudo, but he's waiting for an answer he likes better. |
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| 16:27.58 | themill | I know nothing about it, but I'd doubt that a piece of client software is supposed to be run as root. |
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| 16:29.11 | cesurasean | jhutchins_lt, why do i have to use sudo? What's the reason this app can only be ran in root?? |
| 16:29.53 | AZora | I posted my relatively simple question trying to find out if there is a kernel version issue regarding installer :/ |
| 16:30.00 | cesurasean | jhutchins_lt, I tried adding sudo to this code: DAEMON=/usr/bin/dropbox, but when starting /etc/init.d/dropbox start, it just hangs? |
| 16:30.26 | bzed | inc0: open the file in your favourite editor |
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| 16:30.37 | bzed | inc0: search for return compat_alloc_user_space(size); |
| 16:30.37 | inc0 | that would be vim....:P |
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| 16:30.49 | bzed | inc0: and replace it by: return arch_compat_alloc_user_space(size); |
| 16:31.01 | leshak | hello! someone understand about varnish? |
| 16:31.13 | AZora | cesurasean: there are very very few reasons to ever run an app as root, and most of the them involve core system serivces. You probably have a permissions conflict that you are attempting to avoid by giving too much permissions. Read their documentation to find out the appropriate permissions. |
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| 16:31.38 | bzed | inc0: m-a build fglrx or so shoudl work then |
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| 16:32.13 | sorressean | I'm trying to install python-twisted and getting lots of lovely errors: http://pastebin.com/7B3eJHmm |
| 16:32.52 | peterrooney | cesurasean: what does dropbox do again? |
| 16:33.18 | m3asmi | how can I force chmod |
| 16:33.33 | sorressean | force chmod? |
| 16:34.36 | sorressean | what do you mean force chmod? |
| 16:35.21 | themill | sorressean: can you pastebin the output of "aptitude versions ~ntwisted python" for me? (/msg dpkg pastebin) |
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| 16:36.19 | inc0 | bzed for some reason m-a bulild ... overrides my edited file |
| 16:36.23 | m3asmi | sorressean:yes |
| 16:36.24 | inc0 | and throws same error |
| 16:36.33 | m3asmi | its like not working |
| 16:37.12 | peterrooney | cesurasean: you need sudo because dropbox uses ports 80 and 443; both require superuser privileges |
| 16:37.15 | AZora | it looks like one of the packages might be throwing a command line argument when the compile.py is wanting the filename considering it can't find the file '-' |
| 16:37.24 | cesurasean | Ok, sudo works, but how do I get it to NOT ask for my passwod when launching this app? ;) |
| 16:37.54 | jerrychacko | how to switch to sudo completely...and disable root? |
| 16:38.12 | inc0 | jerrychacko: I dont think its possible |
| 16:38.17 | sorressean | themill: http://pastebin.com/kDqAbC8B |
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| 16:38.22 | sorressean | m3asmi: what's like the error, dude? |
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| 16:38.43 | jerrychacko | i tried but..some programs still ask for the root password.. |
| 16:38.54 | m3asmi | chmod 755 /media/disk |
| 16:38.58 | AZora | jerrychacko: the only thing like that i'd suggest would be removing the password from /etc/shadow but you still have SUID, etc |
| 16:39.09 | sorressean | m3asmi: that's the command. what's the error? |
| 16:39.23 | m3asmi | why |
| 16:39.39 | sorressean | m3asmi: so I can help you? you don't "force" chmod... |
| 16:40.09 | cesurasean | Ok, I run /etc/init.d/dropbox start, and it starts up using sudo, but the command just hangs? |
| 16:40.17 | jerrychacko | i have come from ubuntu...and hence the sudo familarity!! |
| 16:40.49 | inc0 | jerrychacko: but ubuntu has root;) |
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| 16:40.59 | m3asmi | what do you mane |
| 16:41.17 | jhutchins_lt | cesurasean: Seriously, read the docs for sudo, read the factoids dpkg sent you. |
| 16:41.22 | inc0 | but root has no password, thats why you cant access it |
| 16:41.23 | sorressean | m3asmi: I mean, what's not working? how do you know it's not working? Is there an error? |
| 16:41.34 | jerrychacko | inc0:yes.. |
| 16:41.34 | AZora | does http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-CD-1.iso and /debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images require any sort of kernel modifications or mangling to get the installer to find the kernel??? |
| 16:41.51 | inc0 | still $sudo passwd root somepassword will make it possible |
| 16:42.11 | JNSamuel | sudo su |
| 16:42.12 | themill | sorressean: I can't see anything untoward in that output |
| 16:42.23 | m3asmi | when I tap ls -l |
| 16:42.41 | sorressean | m3asmi: what perms are you trying to give it? |
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| 16:42.57 | cesurasean | jhutchins_lt, why would the program start, but the script just hang like that? |
| 16:42.59 | jhutchins_lt | jerrychacko: GUI programs that ask for the root password need to be edited and recompiled, possibly following ubuntu's code as an example. |
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| 16:43.08 | sorressean | if I remember correctly, 755 gives rwx to user, and rx to g and o. |
| 16:43.12 | AZora | inc0: JNSamuel yes all of that will still work, but I wouldn't go any deeper into the system to "disable root". |
| 16:43.13 | jhutchins_lt | jerrychacko: Or just live with it. |
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| 16:43.29 | jhutchins_lt | cesurasean: Because it's waiting for a password? |
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| 16:43.33 | sorressean | themill: nods. dunno what the problem with it is. :( |
| 16:43.58 | jhutchins_lt | cesurasean: because it's non-free third-party code in an unstable version and may not work correctly? |
| 16:44.09 | jerrychacko | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:44.11 | cesurasean | how do i make it not wait for a password? |
| 16:44.12 | m3asmi | the 755 |
| 16:44.23 | m3asmi | it's now in 700 |
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| 16:44.25 | sorressean | m3asmi: what about it? |
| 16:44.28 | jhutchins_lt | cesurasean: READ THE SUDO DOCS. |
| 16:44.47 | jerrychacko | i have disabled remote logins for root using ssh and things like that.,...so thats not much of issue.. |
| 16:44.51 | themill | cesurasean: if you're using sudo inside an init script like that, you're doing it all wrong. |
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| 16:44.53 | stew | cesurasean: you are running "sudo /etc/init.d/dropbox start" ? or you are running "/etc/init.d/dropbox start" and it runs something as sudo? |
| 16:44.56 | cesurasean | I am reading! I don't see anything! |
| 16:45.10 | m3asmi | chmod 755 /media/disk = chmod 700 /media/disk |
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| 16:45.16 | cesurasean | sudo /etc/init.d/dropbox start |
| 16:45.35 | cesurasean | themill, how do i run it with the init script then? |
| 16:45.42 | stew | cesurasean: this is an init script that came with the package? or one you wrote? |
| 16:45.46 | themill | cesurasean: so you reverted your previous changes? [17:30] <cesurasean> jhutchins_lt, I tried adding sudo to this code: DAEMON=/usr/bin/dropbox, but when starting /etc/init.d/dropbox start, it just hangs? |
| 16:45.51 | stonie | which companies do delete files from the internet? google etc.... |
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| 16:46.21 | jhutchins_lt | I'm afraid I never caught the fact that it was an init script. Sigh. |
| 16:46.22 | cesurasean | stew, it came with the package, |
| 16:46.26 | cesurasean | or i found it online |
| 16:46.32 | AZora | stonie: all of them are required to via the DMCA. If you don't want your website linked to or cached you can threaten lawsuit and win. |
| 16:46.36 | llutz | m3asmi: /media/disk is non-unix fs like vfat/ntfs? |
| 16:46.38 | jhutchins_lt | Or it was dragged in by his dog. |
| 16:46.46 | m3asmi | yes |
| 16:46.50 | sorressean | m3asmi: no, chmod 755 does not = chmod 700... |
| 16:46.50 | cesurasean | themill, im trying to run sudo dropbox start -i |
| 16:46.54 | cesurasean | and it hangs |
| 16:46.58 | llutz | m3asmi: use mount options then, chown/chmod won't work |
| 16:47.03 | sorressean | cesurasean: you told us |
| 16:47.06 | bzed | inc0: man m-a ;) |
| 16:47.11 | stonie | AZora, we're in germany |
| 16:47.12 | m3asmi | yes |
| 16:47.12 | llutz | m3asmi: "man mount" |
| 16:47.13 | bzed | inc0: (... use -O or --not-unpack ) |
| 16:47.14 | themill | cesurasean: I asked a very specific question and that was not an answer to it. |
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| 16:47.29 | cesurasean | no, i did not revert any changes. |
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| 16:47.48 | cesurasean | let me paste bin the init script. hold on. |
| 16:48.08 | sorressean | goes back to fixing python. |
| 16:48.17 | jhutchins_lt | running dropbox from the path and running the init script are two very different things. |
| 16:48.19 | AZora | stonie: So you are more free, but with different variety and name to your copyright strangeness |
| 16:48.20 | sorressean | might as well just read the source and figure out what file it's not opening |
| 16:48.30 | cesurasean | http://pastebin.com/3WQJaBhe - here is my init script that's hanging |
| 16:48.41 | cesurasean | except, i removed sudo from the command line |
| 16:48.47 | jhutchins_lt | At this point I would have to install dropbox and read the docs for how it's intended to be done, something I'm not about to do just so cesurian doesn't have to. |
| 16:48.49 | m3asmi | IIfexed the prob whith ntfs-config is work :) |
| 16:48.52 | cesurasean | how do i get that script to run sudo without asking password? ;) |
| 16:48.53 | AZora | sorressean: I think the init script is calling with command line argument when compile.py expects a filename |
| 16:49.07 | sorressean | AZora: nods, that's what it looks like. |
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| 16:49.16 | sorressean | blames broken .debs |
| 16:49.19 | jhutchins_lt | cesurasean: Read the dropbox docs. |
| 16:49.27 | AZora | cesurasean: symlink from the init runlevels to /etc/init.d/ file |
| 16:49.32 | themill | sorressean: You might like to try to unpack the .debs again. I can't reproduce your problem here with the same versions of the packages. |
| 16:49.43 | sorressean | themill: I've tried that about 10 times. |
| 16:49.45 | cesurasean | Azora, WHAT? |
| 16:49.49 | sorressean | themill: I even tried a reboot. :p |
| 16:50.01 | jhutchins_lt | AZora: Before we get him any further down the path he really needs to read the README files for dropbox and find out how he's supposed to start it. |
| 16:50.07 | AZora | cesurasean: man init.d |
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| 16:50.21 | cesurasean | Azora, what? |
| 16:50.32 | jhutchins_lt | AZora: If it's a decent deb it will have created the link on install. |
| 16:50.35 | sorressean | cesurasean: READ DROPBOX DOCS!!! |
| 16:50.37 | AZora | jhutchins_lt: yes, the issue is that he needs to read instead of ask |
| 16:50.50 | cesurasean | Who says I have not read dropbox docs? |
| 16:50.58 | sorressean | you |
| 16:51.04 | themill | sorressean: heh... that was never going to help. "aptitude reinstall ~npython~i ~ntwisted~i" should give it a good workout. Manually unpacking the .debs with "dpkg -x" would be plan B. |
| 16:51.05 | cesurasean | No, i didn't. |
| 16:51.15 | jhutchins_lt | cesurasean: You need specific answers, not generic "how do I run a script as root", because that's not what you need to do. |
| 16:51.51 | cesurasean | jhutchins_lt, what do i need to do then? |
| 16:51.54 | sorressean | themill: I was hoping it'd clean out temps or something... last resort. :) anyway, thanks |
| 16:52.07 | jhutchins_lt | cesurasean: Several people have told you. |
| 16:52.14 | cesurasean | Which is? |
| 16:52.30 | cesurasean | Can you repost to me, so I know what you're talking about? |
| 16:52.32 | jhutchins_lt | cesurasean: Check your scrollback. |
| 16:52.37 | sorressean | cesurasean: docs! |
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| 16:52.45 | inc0 | bzed: worked, but modprobe still dont see fglrx |
| 16:52.48 | cesurasean | check my scrollback to which time stamp? |
| 16:52.53 | AZora | cesurasean: docs |
| 16:53.10 | sorressean | cesurasean: that would depend on your timezone. |
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| 16:53.28 | jhutchins_lt | cesurasean: If you have actually read the man pages listed by apropos dropbox and read all of the files in /usr/share/doc/dropbpx/ your next step is to go to the dropbox website and find the docs available there. |
| 16:53.36 | AZora | cesurasean: jan 1, 1970 or whenever you first asked question |
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| 16:53.48 | sorressean | AZora: :p |
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| 16:55.11 | AZora | I have read about 6 doc files, I've read 5 blog posts. I cannot find the answer to my question regarding installer kernels and version mismatch. Nobody even asked for more info. |
| 16:56.00 | jhutchins_lt | It doesn't look like there's much in the docs folder, so on to the web page. |
| 16:56.31 | sorressean | AZora: what's the problem? |
| 16:56.40 | sorressean | themill: is there a way I can find out what file it's trying to compile? |
| 16:56.47 | jhutchins_lt | cesurasean: It is regretable that dropbox apparently failed to provide instructions, you will have to seek them out. |
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| 16:57.06 | themill | cesurasean: where *exactly* is this init script from? |
| 16:57.11 | noob-tux | does debian got many version or just plain lenny? i'm just new to debian plannin to get one pls help thanx |
| 16:57.42 | sorressean | noob-tux: it has three branches: testing, stable, and unstable. I recommend testing |
| 16:57.48 | abrotman | !releases |
| 16:57.48 | dpkg | See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. See <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 16:57.49 | sorressean | thinks lenny is current stable |
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| 16:58.00 | AZora | I can't seem to get the iso from "testing" to install using 2 different download sources for hd-media, and trying to do the iso to install itself didn't work either |
| 16:58.01 | jhutchins_lt | themill: Interesting, the sid package doesn't have an init script. |
| 16:58.15 | themill | jhutchins_lt: I know... that's one of the reasons I asked. |
| 16:58.35 | themill | noob-tux: stick to testing until you know how to unbreak things. |
| 16:58.43 | solifugus | I created a group "studies" and added a person to that group.. I changed the group of everything under a given directory to that group and gave the group r/w, rights.. |
| 16:58.44 | themill | noob-tux: err... stick to *stable* until you know how to unbreak things. |
| 16:58.46 | sorressean | AZora: nods, did you get some sort of error? the kernel shouldn't have problems. why not just grab the normal cd, then update? |
| 16:58.55 | AZora | the core issue I get when using hd-media is that it can't find the kernel. I presume it has an older kernel in hd-media, and the newer version in "testing" isn't considered valid. I need the new kernel to work to have networking support |
| 16:58.58 | solifugus | The user can read/write but not create new files... why not? |
| 16:58.58 | sorressean | if you use netinst it updates anyway, I think. |
| 16:59.07 | noob-tux | themill: thanx |
| 16:59.12 | solifugus | What permission is necessary to be allowed to create a file in a directory? |
| 16:59.27 | sorressean | solifugus: +w |
| 16:59.35 | jhutchins_lt | !tell AZora about kmuto |
| 17:00.00 | AZora | "Cannot find kernel" is what the installer tells me. I found 3 kernels - vmlinuz from hd-media, the .deb in the iso, and whichever one was in use from bootimg |
| 17:00.03 | solifugus | sorressean: nope.. that enables a member of the group to write to existing files in there, but not create new files. |
| 17:00.04 | jhutchins_lt | AZora: What is "hd-media"? |
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| 17:00.19 | stew | and he's trying to run it as "dropbox start -i" but the manpage says "These programs not have command line options" |
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| 17:00.30 | stew | it is quite a manpage that comes with that package |
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| 17:01.00 | solifugus | sorressean: i c.. the folder doesn't have w for gropu |
| 17:01.19 | themill | stew: yeah, that was my next query. But then I gave up... |
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| 17:01.50 | cesurasean | I'm getting syntax error when using NOPASSWD: ALL in my sudoers file.... |
| 17:02.03 | cesurasean | anyone know how to do this properly? |
| 17:02.25 | themill | cesurasean: "man 5 sudoers" probably does. |
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| 17:05.05 | cesurasean | themill, the man pages aren't too easy to read on that one. |
| 17:05.14 | cesurasean | I would be better off with google. |
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| 17:05.23 | themill | cesurasean: excellent. Problem solved then. |
| 17:05.37 | stew | cesurasean: then try to ask your question better. tell us what exactly you were trying in sudoers, and what error you got |
| 17:05.55 | stew | cesurasean: at least show us the entire line that is giving you an error |
| 17:05.56 | AZora | thank you for the kmuto project jhutchins_lt , I will try that as well. hd-media is the boot image required to get an iso file installed from media. I do not own a cdrom drive so I need to mount the iso. Attempting to do mount -t iso9660 during the CDimage installer will attempt to copy the entire contents of iso to filesystem, and unpacking the iso to files claims that they are invalid block device. |
| 17:06.03 | cesurasean | I am getting syntax error with this line in my sudoers: ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL |
| 17:06.44 | jhutchins_lt | !tell AZora about install guide |
| 17:07.03 | jhutchins_lt | AZora: Perhaps the guide will give you a better method for installing. |
| 17:07.04 | AZora | I'll try to do the kmuto to see if I get support, I didn't see any hardware list but the kernel version 2.6.32 contains the drivers that I need, hopefully they were included. |
| 17:07.47 | cesurasean | stew, the entire line reads like this : sbrady ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL |
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| 17:09.12 | AZora | I'm following those directions jhutchins_lt , that's how I got the hd-media boot.img.gz The testing iso and hd-media boot img seem incompatible. |
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| 17:09.26 | jhutchins_lt | cesurasean: Sorry, the actual manpage you need is man sudoers |
| 17:09.27 | AZora | "seem incompatible" = "Cannot find kernel" |
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| 17:10.07 | jhutchins_lt | AZora: Testing does not currently have a fully working installer. |
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| 17:10.26 | war9407 | Hi, Debian recently upgraded to bind 9.7.1 now DNS lookups are broken, slow and timing out. |
| 17:10.30 | war9407 | Is this a known bug? |
| 17:10.30 | primepie | when I ssh to my debian box, sometimes the console text mangles and stops refreshing, I have to hit ctrl-l for each key |
| 17:10.50 | AZora | i noticed :/ at least you gave me a workaround via the kmuto project |
| 17:10.51 | jhutchins_lt | war9407: Have you disabled ipv6? |
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| 17:11.14 | AZora | thanks for your help jhutchins_lt |
| 17:11.15 | stew | war9407: the known bugs would be in http://bugs.debian.org/bind9 |
| 17:11.59 | war9407 | Ill try it again and let you know. |
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| 17:12.23 | primepie | anyone? |
| 17:12.26 | aidan | How can I build cabal-install? I'm doing "apt-get build-dep cabal-install" and getting "E: Build-Depends dependency for cabal-install cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package haskell-devscripts can satisfy version requirements" |
| 17:12.44 | war9407 | Ok added -4 to the init script. |
| 17:12.52 | war9407 | bind 7463 0.0 0.3 258208 28448 ? Ssl 13:12 0:00 /usr/sbin/named -4 -u bind -S 1024 |
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| 17:14.37 | AZora | I'm about to restart and try again, I would suggest that the stable installer give the option to blindly install a kernel - that was the only failure I had during the stable-hd-media install of the testing iso. |
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| 17:16.08 | cesurasean | anyone know why this isn't working with sudoers? Says it's not a good syntax? - joe ALL = (root) NOPASSWD: ALL |
| 17:16.33 | cesurasean | Can SOMEONE help me out with sudoers not requiring a password? I can't find it in the man pages, or on google, or one that works... |
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| 17:19.36 | peterrooney | cesurasean: what about joe ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL |
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| 17:20.16 | Lenhix | Hello. Is there any other tool for command line apart from rcconf that I can use to control the starting/stoping of services in Debian? |
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| 17:21.07 | wooden | Lenhix: /bin/ln |
| 17:21.16 | cesurasean | OK, sudo dropbox start -i works and starts up dropbox, but then the command just hangs there and doesn't return to prompt? |
| 17:21.51 | inc0 | ehh...aticonfig --initial throws segfault >< |
| 17:21.54 | Lenhix | wooden: I'm looking for sth more TUI-esque, hehe |
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| 17:22.06 | wooden | cesurasean: Try: sudo dropbox start -i & |
| 17:24.11 | abrotman | Lenhix: update-rc.d |
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| 17:24.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | Lenhix, update-rc.d |
| 17:24.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops |
| 17:24.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | ! |
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| 17:25.56 | Lenhix | thx |
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| 17:26.57 | Lenhix | So it'd be like: update-rc.d myservice start 21 2 3 4 5 |
| 17:28.23 | jhutchins_lt | !maint dropbox |
| 17:28.47 | dpkg | dropbox: Ivan Borzenkov <ivan1986@list.ru> |
| 17:29.34 | stew | Lenhix: you probably want to stop it in 0 and 6 and perhaps 1 as well |
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| 17:30.43 | Lenhix | stew: yep, thx! |
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| 17:32.29 | jhutchins_lt | Shouldn't that be covered in the initscript headers? |
| 17:33.32 | RichiH | hates grub-update so much |
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| 17:36.43 | cesurasean | how do i undo this command? and remove files from my runtime? update-rc.d dropbox defaults |
| 17:37.14 | Guest12345 | cesurasean: what do you mean by "remove files from my runtime"? |
| 17:37.27 | cesurasean | how do i undo that command? |
| 17:37.39 | cesurasean | didn't update-rc.d dropbox defaults add some files to my runtime? |
| 17:38.02 | stew | cesurasean: where did you get this package from? not debian, right? |
| 17:38.17 | stew | since you said you got the init script from the pacakge an the pacakge in debian doesn't have an init script |
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| 17:38.58 | cesurasean | stew, stick on the subject at hand. |
| 17:39.05 | stew | i am |
| 17:39.15 | cesurasean | how do i remove runtime files or UNDO this command 'update-rc.d dropbox defaults'? |
| 17:39.24 | stew | cesurasean: what is a runtime file? |
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| 17:39.41 | stew | cesurasean: to "undo" that command, you mean set it back to the way it was before you ran that command, right? |
| 17:39.46 | bzed | cesurasean: did you read the update-rc.d manpage? |
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| 17:40.02 | stew | cesurasean: and so if that init script was installed by the package the update-rc.d command would have been done by the pacakge install scripts |
| 17:40.05 | hXm | hello, I am trying to install debian from a USB stick and the installation says: There is no CDROM installed where to search packages, please insert one and check again |
| 17:40.07 | cesurasean | rc3.d's, etc |
| 17:40.13 | hXm | But I don't have cdrom device, what can i do |
| 17:40.30 | stew | cesurasean: so I guess you'd look at the postinst script for that package and re-run the update-rc.d command from the postinst |
| 17:40.33 | cesurasean | how do i remove dropbox from rc1.d, rc2.d, etc |
| 17:40.42 | bzed | hXm: mount your usb installer and copy a debian netinst image onto it |
| 17:40.55 | bzed | cesurasean: again, did you read the update-rc.d manpage? |
| 17:41.26 | bzed | cesurasean: it would tell you how to remove things again. |
| 17:42.00 | cesurasean | update-rc.d dropbox remove |
| 17:42.09 | cesurasean | tht was easy, and not such a waste of time reading docs. ;) |
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| 17:45.20 | inc0 | http://www.nopaste.pl/u2u <- my xorg.conf |
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| 17:45.30 | inc0 | Xorg throws that no devices are found |
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| 17:48.18 | bzed | inc0: did you manage to install the kernel module now? |
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| 17:48.32 | bzed | inc0: if so, did you install the other stuff mentioned in the one-liner? |
| 17:48.43 | inc0 | bzed: I guess I did |
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| 17:48.50 | inc0 | both modules are installed |
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| 17:48.59 | DxB | z |
| 17:49.02 | inc0 | but modprobe fglrx throws errors |
| 17:49.08 | inc0 | Cannot allocate memory |
| 17:49.29 | bzed | inc0: hmm. is there a reason why you want to stick to lenny? |
| 17:49.41 | bzed | inc0: you could install squeeze and keep it updated until it is released |
| 17:49.48 | bzed | inc0: its pretty stable already |
| 17:49.49 | tjadog | hey everyone I am trying to mount my ntfs partition on bootup so I created a .sh script in /etc/init.d and added links in rc.3 rc.4 and rc.5 but it didnt run... what is the normal rc that debian generally boots up into? |
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| 17:50.10 | inc0 | bzed: well, I might actually do as you suggest |
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| 17:50.41 | bzed | inc0: at least the graphics crap stuff is much better in squeeze :) |
| 17:50.46 | tjadog | rc3.d rc4.d rc5.d |
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| 17:51.07 | bzed | tjadog: man fstab |
| 17:51.11 | bzed | tjadog: and man mount |
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| 17:51.32 | frikinz | id:2:initdefault: |
| 17:51.41 | frikinz | rc2 |
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| 17:53.20 | tjadog | rc2 is the default runtime ? |
| 17:53.36 | tjadog | bzed: I know how to mount it and can do it manually, I was asking what the default runtime level was |
| 17:54.25 | jhutchins_lt | bzed: Except for the chipsets where the graphics crap locks up the computer. |
| 17:54.49 | jhutchins_lt | bzed: People who are not familiar with debian yet should run lenny if possible. |
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| 17:55.19 | tjadog | k so if its 2 that explains why it didnt run |
| 17:55.21 | tjadog | rebooting |
| 17:55.29 | tjadog | thanks frikinz :) |
| 17:55.33 | jhutchins_lt | inc0: Sounds like you have a mis-match between drivers, kernel, and/or hardware. Which guide are you followng? |
| 17:56.16 | inc0 | jhutchins_lt: all I can get...basicly none of them worked |
| 17:56.36 | alcy | folks, anyone got a general idea about accessibility of apps for blind people ? is it that you try to optimize an app or use accessibility tools to make it easier ? lets say a mail client as an app. |
| 17:56.39 | inc0 | but I'll try this squeeze thing. |
| 17:56.41 | jhutchins_lt | inc0: Which chipset? (This is for lenny, right?) |
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| 17:57.31 | jhutchins_lt | alcy: I know that linux is one of the most access friendly OSs, but nothing specific, sorry. |
| 17:58.11 | abrotman | alcy: there are screen readers and stuff like that if that's what you want |
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| 17:58.30 | alcy | jhutchins_lt: thanks for the re-assurance, just had a request from some folks and was wondering how to approach this |
| 17:58.33 | stew | alcy: also see: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-accessibility/ |
| 17:58.33 | eft_ | hi, can someone tell me if this is how I can let user1 switch to user2 without requiring a password? in sudoers add: user1 myhost=NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/su -s /bin/sh user1 |
| 17:58.40 | llutz | alcy: k knopper does a lot of work for optical disabled people, maybe his adriane-project helps you: http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/knoppix-adriane.html |
| 17:58.46 | eft_ | exit |
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| 17:59.22 | jhutchins_lt | alcy: I know I've corresponded with at least one IRC user who uses festival for everything. |
| 17:59.38 | abrotman | yeah, there's a guy that comes in here with a braille tty |
| 17:59.45 | inc0 | Intel P45 chipset |
| 17:59.59 | inc0 | Radeon 57** series of graphics |
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| 18:00.40 | tjadog | frikinz: thanks for your help.. adding the ln to rc2.d solved my problem for mounting my drive on bootup |
| 18:00.57 | alcy | thanks a bunch folks ! will consider all the options. I was aware of the adriane project, will try to work on those. thanks again :) |
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| 18:01.58 | jhutchins_lt | !fglrx one-liner lenny |
| 18:01.58 | dpkg | [fglrx pre-built] For Lenny/2.6.26 users. Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. Exit X / stop any <DM>, then as root: aptitude -r install fglrx-modules-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` fglrx-driver && modprobe -r radeon drm && aticonfig --initial |
| 18:02.04 | frikinz | tjadog: good. but you know that you can mount disk from fstab right? |
| 18:02.48 | xyblor | I just installed debian; how do I get emacs23 via apt-get? |
| 18:03.08 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions emacs |
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| 18:03.10 | judd | Package emacs on i386 -- etch: 21.4a+1-3etch1; etch-security: 21.4a+1-3etch1; lenny: 22.2+2-5; lenny-backports: 23.1+1-4~bpo50+1; sid: 23.2+1-4; squeeze: 23.2+1-4; sid: 23.2+1-5 |
| 18:03.46 | jhutchins_lt | xyblor: ask dpkg about bdo, follow the instructions to add the backports repository and install from there. |
| 18:03.58 | xyblor | okay great, thanks! |
| 18:04.10 | jhutchins_lt | inc0: Does that factoid from dpkg help? |
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| 18:05.01 | jhutchins_lt | Ok, so if I rsync'ed my home directory, howcome I don't have any bookmarks? |
| 18:05.20 | jhutchins_lt | Crap, back in a bit. |
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| 18:05.56 | tjadog | frikinz: yeah but it seems too complicated when I had a mount command which worked great for my windows 7 partition |
| 18:06.09 | tab1ta | hello i'm kind of new to the Debian kernel stuff, isn't needed a c compiler to compile a new kernel? |
| 18:06.41 | tab1ta | i can't find any c compiler in my system now |
| 18:06.43 | stew | tab1ta: yes, you'd want the build-essential pacakge installed |
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| 18:07.11 | tab1ta | oh there is a build essential pack for the kerne. |
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| 18:07.23 | tab1ta | ok so if i need a c compiler i have to installa new one? |
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| 18:07.29 | tab1ta | kernel* |
| 18:07.36 | stew | what? |
| 18:07.55 | stew | tab1ta: if you need a c compiler, we'd recommend installing the build-essential package |
| 18:08.12 | stew | tab1ta: if you want to build a kernel, we'd first try to talk you out of it, then point you at "/msg dpkg kp" |
| 18:08.21 | tab1ta | o it's called build-essential? |
| 18:08.37 | tab1ta | ok... |
| 18:08.45 | tab1ta | understood ;) |
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| 18:09.11 | RichiH | root 7912 0.0 0.0 1748 548 ? D 19:45 0:00 /bin/sh /usr/lib/os-probes/mounted/40lsb /dev/sda1 /var/lib/os-prober/mount ntfs-3g |
| 18:09.32 | RichiH | any idea how to get rid of that so update-grub can stop failing as much as it does? |
| 18:09.45 | RichiH | state D means i can't even kill -9 it |
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| 18:14.33 | eft_ | I have to "sudo su -s /bin/sh user2" on a regular basis - can I add this command to sudoers so that I don't have to authenticate each time? |
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| 18:15.49 | stew | the upgrade instructions for this software tell me to run "tar -xvf upgradeX.X.X-Y.Y.Y.tgz | gunzip -" which doesn't inspire confidence |
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| 18:17.24 | stew | eft_: the safest way to do this is to create a script that you allow to run as sudo, unless you are ok with letting the user run anything as any user |
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| 18:18.27 | badaxx | hey folks, I tried to install grub as a boot loader (1.98 on a lenny machine) via "grub-install '(hd0)'" which tells me it succeeded. but when I reboot my machine seems to get stuck... did anyone experience the same problem yet? |
| 18:18.55 | eft_ | stew: well, I'm user1 and user2 is a system account that I need shell access to |
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| 18:20.30 | jhutchins_lt2 | badaxx: Nope. Works fine here and on a number of different systems. Perhaps you have not specified the correct devices in your grub menu. Does grub give any errors? |
| 18:20.47 | jhutchins_lt2 | eft_: What about just su - user2? |
| 18:20.48 | badaxx | jhutchins_lt2: no, grub says it's fine and no errors have occurred |
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| 18:21.23 | jhutchins_lt2 | badaxx: We kind of have to know what actually happens when you try to boot in order to understand the possible problem. It also might help to know what hardware you have. |
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| 18:21.29 | m4k | I want to make wildcard subdomain for localhost like xyz.localhost.local asd.localhost.local or any thing |
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| 18:22.39 | iratik | I understand how to uce update rc.d to get an init script symlinked into the rc.0, rc.1 ... , Is there a command to do the opposite (remove an init script) ? |
| 18:22.50 | badaxx | jhutchins_lt2: it was cool if i would know what happens - it's a server so I can't watch the boot process right now. |
| 18:22.53 | eft_ | jhutchins_lt2: user2 is a system account |
| 18:23.07 | badaxx | jhutchins_lt2: it's a intel core i7 920, 8gb ddr3 ram |
| 18:23.58 | badaxx | jhutchins_lt2: and it's raid 0 |
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| 18:26.08 | n00ch__ | test |
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| 18:27.15 | stew | iratik: is your goal to have a service not start? or to cleanup things? (becuase simply removing files is not necessarily the right way to disable an init script) |
| 18:27.39 | stew | cesurasean1: note my above statement, your use of update-rc.d ... remove was probably wrong |
| 18:27.50 | cesurasean1 | When I go to preferences>startup applications in gnome, and then edit the command string, for some reason it keeps reverting to the old command string and dropbox isn't able to load without the sudo? Can I edit this in a file? |
| 18:27.59 | cesurasean1 | No, the update-rc.d was fine.... |
| 18:28.02 | jhutchins_lt2 | badaxx: Aaaand there we are, raid, probably not booting from hd0. |
| 18:28.13 | stew | cesurasean1: fine until you upgrade the pacakge |
| 18:28.24 | cesurasean1 | I'm able to run dropbox fine now when launching from application menu, but upon startup the command keeps changing |
| 18:28.39 | cesurasean1 | Can I edit this in a file? |
| 18:28.42 | badaxx | jhutchins_lt2: well but if it's not booting from hd0 it should boot normally after I installed it into the mbr of hd0? |
| 18:28.44 | stew | cesurasean1: which is why what you did is labeled as a "common system administration error" in the manpage |
| 18:29.09 | cesurasean1 | stew, dropbox starts in MANY forms. /etc/init.d, or other methods... |
| 18:29.21 | stew | ok? |
| 18:29.54 | cesurasean1 | when i go to system> preferences, and startup apps, how come it keeps reverting my saved changes to the command line?? |
| 18:30.27 | cesurasean1 | it keeps changing it from 'sudo /usr/bin/dropbox' to '/usr/bin/dropbox' |
| 18:30.29 | jhutchins_lt2 | badaxx: Not all that familiar with raid, but I don't think raid is hd0 in grub, in fact it's likely that legacy grub can't boot from your RAID unless it's on a dedicated hardware controller. |
| 18:32.14 | cesurasean1 | Can someone please help me out real quick? How come my saved changes to startup apps is reverting back to what it had before after a reboot? |
| 18:32.16 | docgnome | anyone know what the kde control panel bin is called? |
| 18:32.18 | cesurasean1 | I don't get it. |
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| 18:33.04 | _sho_ | mmm, i have a piece of fibre running from my qla2xxx card to a fibre switch |
| 18:33.14 | l0st-sou1 | docgnome: kcontrol ? |
| 18:33.19 | amphi | docgnome: kontrol? kcontrol? (I guess) |
| 18:33.31 | _sho_ | however, the switch is set to auto, and for some reason, debian thinks the qla port is unplugged |
| 18:33.44 | docgnome | hrumph. i can't find a package for it. I'm just trying to use kgamma |
| 18:34.00 | simonrvn | docgnome: systemsettings (for v4) |
| 18:34.02 | _sho_ | how can i figure out why the port seems unready, since it seems the switch is set to auto |
| 18:34.02 | themill | dpkg: tell cesurasean1 about cross post |
| 18:34.03 | jhutchins_lt2 | badaxx: This page may be helpful but is somewhat out of date, lilo now actually supports dmraid better than legacy grub. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid |
| 18:34.37 | jhutchins_lt2 | cesurasean1: !http://tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/index.html |
| 18:34.40 | docgnome | simonrvn: yeah not that either. Maybe the control panel just isn't installed when you install kgamma. which would be whack given that that's how you get at it |
| 18:35.03 | simonrvn | kcm_control kgamma |
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| 18:35.33 | cesurasean1 | jhutchins_lt2, you're an asshole. You need to shut your mouth. |
| 18:35.39 | cesurasean1 | quit sending me stupid links |
| 18:35.58 | cesurasean1 | either help me, or go on somewhere. |
| 18:36.06 | jhutchins_lt2 | cesurasean1: Learn a little about linux instead of asking people to read docs for you. |
| 18:36.14 | jhutchins_lt2 | cesurasean1: We're just fellow users here, we're not your servants. |
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| 18:36.18 | cesurasean1 | I know about Linux. Thank you very much... |
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| 18:36.23 | shogunx | !bongswat |
| 18:36.23 | dpkg | hmm... bongswat is "Hit the bong, man!" |
| 18:36.43 | robokop | cesurasean1: people here are trying to help you all in there spare time, plz respect that |
| 18:37.02 | stew | cesurasean1: no name calling in here |
| 18:37.09 | stew | cesurasean1: use /ignore if you must, but don't attack others |
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| 18:37.19 | docgnome | simonrvn: didn't work :-\ |
| 18:37.54 | cesurasean1 | ok, let's stick the topic on hand. |
| 18:38.17 | docgnome | i don't have full kde installed... and i don't want it. i just wanna use kgamma. anyone know of a different app? I know i can use xgamma but it's a pain to use and i'd like something with some colors i can look at on it so i can get it right |
| 18:38.18 | cesurasean1 | Why do my changes not STICK with startup applications? Any changes I make, get reverted after a few reboots? |
| 18:38.27 | stew | jhutchins_lt: also don't see how your link was at all helpful to him |
| 18:39.01 | simonrvn | tweak with xgamma until you're happy, then set it in your xorg.conf |
| 18:39.05 | jhutchins_lt | stew: Possibly not, might be in the users guide instead of the admin guide. |
| 18:39.07 | docgnome | yeah it's a pain though |
| 18:39.15 | cesurasean1 | stew, you have any clue how to edit those startup applications without using gnome? |
| 18:39.16 | docgnome | looking for something with sliders |
| 18:39.41 | jhutchins_lt | docgnome: Is there a krandrtray equivalent in kde4? |
| 18:39.54 | jhutchins_lt | docgnome: That includes gamma sliders. |
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| 18:40.20 | jhutchins_lt | docgnome: Actually, I don't know you're on 4, that's my current obsession. |
| 18:40.22 | docgnome | don't know... not running kde4 i'm actually using stumpwm i just want a gamma correction app |
| 18:40.35 | docgnome | and that happened to be the first one i saw |
| 18:40.43 | jhutchins_lt | docgnome: well, krandrtray, xrandr |
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| 18:40.48 | cesurasean1 | For some reason I've found some odd bug here, so it seems. I'm going to reboot a few times, and see if when I'm pressing "edit", that is what's reverting the code.... |
| 18:41.04 | stew | cesurasean1: i'm not familiar enough to know exactly what you mean by startup applications. if you are talking about the debian menus in gnome, i'd look at the update-menus mechanisms, but I don't know if that is what you are talking about |
| 18:41.17 | docgnome | jhutchins_lt: xrandr can do gamma correction? didn't know that. |
| 18:41.27 | cesurasean1 | stew, yes, im talking about gnome's startup applications menu. |
| 18:41.37 | themill | cesurasean1: how are you testing this? |
| 18:41.40 | jhutchins_lt | docgnome: I think so, based on krandrtray's features. |
| 18:41.42 | cesurasean1 | somehow the updates aren't sticking |
| 18:42.04 | cesurasean1 | it works for like 1 or 2 reboots, then reverts back |
| 18:42.15 | cesurasean1 | hence, no dropbox. :( |
| 18:42.18 | stew | cesurasean1: if you are talking about the debian menu in gnome, then look at the update-menus mechanisms, they could be overwriting your changes the next time update-menus is called as a result of installing a pacakge |
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| 18:43.43 | rneese_ | hey guys I am looking at the unatended install pages |
| 18:43.58 | rneese_ | anyone ever do a unattened install iso |
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| 18:44.50 | jhutchins_lt | !tell rneese_ about preseed |
| 18:44.54 | badaxx | jhutchins_lt: okay, so without raid hd0 should be fine, right? |
| 18:45.33 | jhutchins_lt | badaxx: Possibly, the grub-install script I'm familiar with (from CentOS) auto-detects. |
| 18:46.35 | jhutchins_lt | I do not have mdraid and have not actually done this, the wiki page knows more than I do. |
| 18:46.42 | n00ch | jhutchins_lt: howdy. do you live in here? |
| 18:46.51 | jhutchins_lt | (Except I know lilo is working with mdraid now) |
| 18:47.02 | jhutchins_lt | n00ch: Pretty much. I'm in and out most of the day. |
| 18:47.23 | jhutchins_lt | n00ch: I work on-line from home, so I'm around a lot. |
| 18:47.40 | jhutchins_lt | n00ch: This is one of my favorite methods of procrastination. |
| 18:47.48 | n00ch | jhutchins_lt: haha cool |
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| 18:50.27 | cesurasean | Ugh. Everytime I make a change to startup applications inside gnome, it reverts. So, I can't use sudo. Is there not a file I can edit for this? |
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| 18:53.28 | themill | cesurasean1: how are you testing this? |
| 18:53.46 | cesurasean | what do you mean how? |
| 18:53.56 | cesurasean | i'm rebooting the machine |
| 18:54.04 | cesurasean | my changes aren't saved. |
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| 18:54.41 | cesurasean | it keeps trying to load /usr/bin/dropbox, but when i put sudo /usr/bin/dropbox, and go back and look, it says /usr/bin/dropbox still |
| 18:54.47 | cesurasean | but, that's after i reboot |
| 18:55.00 | cesurasean | otherwise, it looks like it's saving it |
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| 18:55.05 | cesurasean | before reboot |
| 18:55.13 | stew | cesurasean: are you logging out of gnome gracefully? or just rebooting while your are still logged in? |
| 18:55.29 | cesurasean | using gnome's reboot system |
| 18:55.37 | cesurasean | not 'reboot' |
| 18:55.57 | cesurasean | stew, do you understand the problem i am having? |
| 18:56.00 | stew | cesurasean: i'd recommend logging out of gnome completely at least once successfully |
| 18:56.04 | stew | cesurasean: no |
| 18:56.04 | cesurasean | is there a workaround for this issue? |
| 18:56.10 | stew | cesurasean: i don't know what the thing is that you are talking about |
| 18:57.09 | cesurasean | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:57.28 | stew | cesurasean: but i suspect that logging out of gnome might save whatever you are changing, whereas rebooting while still logged in might not |
| 18:57.35 | cesurasean | my changes aren't being saved, for what it seems |
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| 18:57.51 | cesurasean | so, try a log out? |
| 18:57.57 | Tekk_ | what importance are freedom bugs supposed to be rated at? |
| 18:58.11 | Tekk_ | like nonfree in main, etc |
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| 18:58.24 | stew | Tekk_: Serious |
| 18:58.26 | themill | Tekk_: irc doesn't deal well with hypotheticals -- what specifically are you asking about? |
| 18:58.32 | Tekk_ | stew: thank you |
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| 18:58.43 | aidan | What's the name of the package which resolves http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.3/docbookx.dtd into a local file via an xml catalog? |
| 18:58.50 | stew | Tekk_: typically it means that their copyright file is wrong, which is a violation of 12.5 |
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| 19:00.36 | cesurasean | stew, thanks. it looks like logging out is making the saved changes. i will test, and see... |
| 19:00.46 | stew | Tekk_: if the copyright file is acurrate, but you think that the license was misjudged, let me know, you should perhaps do somehting differently |
| 19:01.23 | Tekk_ | stew: yeah, adobe-flashplugin is in main, to me it seems like it should be in nonfree, or even maybe contrib on a technicality(it seem to be a script that installs the nonfree flash player) |
| 19:01.32 | Tekk_ | sorry, flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 19:02.01 | themill | ,versions flashplugin-nonfree |
| 19:02.03 | judd | Package flashplugin-nonfree on i386 -- etch-backports/contrib: 1:1.4~bpo40+1; lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.8.2~bpo50+1; sid/contrib: 1:2.8.2; squeeze/contrib: 1:2.8.2 |
| 19:02.09 | stew | Tekk_: its in contrib already |
| 19:02.11 | Tekk_ | O.o really? |
| 19:02.14 | themill | Tekk_: it's not in main, it's in contrib which is the right place for it. |
| 19:02.15 | hXm | hi, I have installed debian lenny, I have a nVIDIA 250GS and I believe is not support by lenny, so I can't open session, I get error message: out of range |
| 19:02.20 | hXm | Where can I modify that to make it work |
| 19:02.44 | Tekk_ | oh, I swore I disabled contrib >< |
| 19:02.47 | Tekk_ | sorry |
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| 19:03.12 | themill | Tekk_: no worries :) |
| 19:03.27 | aidan | Found it, docbook-xsl |
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| 19:03.59 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions adobe-flashplugin |
| 19:03.59 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'adobe-flashplugin' was found in i386. |
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| 19:07.33 | jhutchins_lt | hXm: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
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| 19:08.54 | hXm | Thak you |
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| 19:10.23 | cesurasean | Is there not a way to edit startup applications from gnome within command line? |
| 19:10.34 | jhutchins_lt | hXm: Hope it helps! |
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| 19:11.41 | hXm | it sounds perfect! |
| 19:12.04 | hXm | another question: I want to have kde and gnome, should I install both engines kdm and gdm? |
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| 19:12.45 | CorvetteZR1 | hello |
| 19:13.02 | stew | hXm: yes, just install both, you might see "/msg dpkg install gnome" and "/msg dpkg install kde" about what your options are for "how much do I want to install?" |
| 19:13.19 | jhutchins_lt | hXm: The dm is the login manager that allows you to pick which Desktop environment you are going to use, any of them should work fine, but you only need one. |
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| 19:13.54 | hXm | Aah, the dm explaining what just great, thanks |
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| 19:14.07 | CorvetteZR1 | does anyone know where i can find linux-headers-2.6.24.4 for etch? i need this particular version to compile a few things for an existing box |
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| 19:14.27 | hochron | I really have no preference towards gnome or kde, I have used both |
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| 19:14.41 | n00ch | anyone in here use openbox? |
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| 19:15.09 | n00ch | I love how lightweight and customizable it is. |
| 19:15.29 | jhutchins_lt | !tell CorvetteZR1 about snapshot |
| 19:15.32 | cesurasean | ah, figured it out on my own. :) |
| 19:15.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | so what happened to .Xauthority in squeeze? xauth: timeout in locking authority file /var/run/gdm3/auth-for-<user>-k4WEjY/database |
| 19:16.00 | CorvetteZR1 | jhutchins_lt, i'll check it out, thanks! |
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| 19:16.31 | stew | CorvetteZR1: we'd encourage you to upgrade to lenny (the currently supported version of debian), and a current kernel |
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| 19:18.02 | CorvetteZR1 | stew, i'd love to, but this is for an old appliance. i tried upgrading to newer kernel and a lot of things broke |
| 19:18.28 | CorvetteZR1 | stew, would be much easier for me to just get the headers for this version and compile the drivers i need at this point |
| 19:18.31 | jelly-home | themill: [custom ia32-*] oh that's so ugly, but basically what I already do with "source" rpms for this app |
| 19:19.16 | stew | CorvetteZR1: are you really looking for "linux-headers-2.6.24.4" or "linux-headers-2.6.24-4-something" ? |
| 19:19.29 | stew | CorvetteZR1: what exactly does "uname -r" return? |
| 19:19.51 | CorvetteZR1 | 2.6.24.4 |
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| 19:20.13 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: even gdm 2.* uses own xauthority file while it's running, but when the user's session is started the standard file is used. Are you saying this is not the case with gdm3? |
| 19:20.14 | CorvetteZR1 | think i found it on snapshots...will let you know how it works out :) |
| 19:20.17 | stew | CorvetteZR1: that didn't come from debian then, so you won't find the headers pacakge from debian |
| 19:20.21 | hXm | Thanks for the nvidia graphic! I have gnome now. I have installed via module assistant the stable version that is 173, but I should use 194 for this graphic card (I had to do this before than reinstall) should I modify temporary the respository? I have backports |
| 19:20.36 | stew | CorvetteZR1: you didn't find it on snapshopts, what you have didn't come from debian |
| 19:20.52 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: by "gdm running" I mean "login screen shown, no user logged in yet" |
| 19:20.57 | n00ch | quick question. |
| 19:21.04 | n00ch | find / "term*" |
| 19:21.05 | jelly-home | fast answer |
| 19:21.13 | n00ch | oops... sorry! |
| 19:21.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, nope... everything seems to change... env|grep XA --> XAUTHORITY=/var/run/gdm3/auth-for-k-k4WEjY/database |
| 19:21.27 | stew | i question the lack of "-name" |
| 19:21.28 | jelly-home | find / -name "term*" |
| 19:22.07 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: fun. Is your username, by any chance, "k"? |
| 19:22.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, how _did_ you guess? |
| 19:22.26 | stew | next I'd question if "find /" is really where you should be starting |
| 19:22.27 | n00ch | jelly-home: wow thanks haha! |
| 19:22.33 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: woman's intuition! |
| 19:22.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | thought so |
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| 19:24.05 | n00ch | stew: if i'm looking for where files matching a certain string exist anywhere on the filesystem, why not? |
| 19:24.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | so looks like... previously, with time and breakage, you got many entries in your $HOME/.Xauthority... now you get lots of directories in /var/run/gdm3 |
| 19:24.51 | FluxD | What was the command to reconfigure phpmyadmin to connect to mysql ? |
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| 19:25.27 | stew | n00ch: well, often you can know that a file you are looking for is somewhere in /var or in /home or in /usr, or you probably know its not in /proc or /sys |
| 19:25.43 | stew | n00ch: or perhaps locate or dpkg -S will get you the answer quicker |
| 19:25.57 | jony | how I can extract files from the (.tar.gz) archive |
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| 19:26.08 | stew | jony: all files or just some? |
| 19:26.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | let me rephrase that... WTF did that happen to xauthority... |
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| 19:26.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, guess that's related http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=586685 |
| 19:26.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | "fun" |
| 19:27.16 | jhutchins_lt | jony: Let's back up a step - what is the archive of? |
| 19:27.29 | jony | stew: I Want all files |
| 19:27.34 | jhutchins_lt | jony: Where did you get it? |
| 19:27.45 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: while xarguably a properly made script should consult $XAUTHORITY, this indeed violates PoLS |
| 19:27.47 | n00ch | that's true... if you know that... for me, its still a bit foreign |
| 19:28.00 | stew | jony: "tar xf tarfile" will extract the files in the current directory |
| 19:28.13 | jhutchins_lt | stew: tar.gz |
| 19:28.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | true and true... |
| 19:28.32 | stew | jhutchins_lt: yes, substitute the name of the tarfile where I said tarfile |
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| 19:28.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | and ~/.Xauthority has only been used for a century or so... so it was definitely time for a change |
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| 19:33.53 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: it's change completely needlessly pushed onto the user |
| 19:33.59 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: file a bug! |
| 19:34.15 | jelly-home | (a separate one from #586685) |
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| 19:35.03 | jelly-home | in the meantime I'll look at how much time it takes for Gnome maintainers to look at my RC bugs <g> |
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| 19:36.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, what about... "this is useless and pisses me off"? |
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| 19:36.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | "it's not broken but feels broken"? |
| 19:37.13 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: needs to be posed in a civilized and constructive manner... you want it fixed, they could care less |
| 19:37.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean ... it works |
| 19:38.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | it just doesn't work like it did for years and years and have come to expect.. |
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| 19:42.12 | valdyn | or maybe gdm3 is a completely different program than gdm and gdm3 is *not* an upgrade? |
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| 19:43.12 | jelly-home | valdyn: it doesn't matter in this case |
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| 19:49.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh, I was going to tell valdyn that it doesn't matter in this case :) |
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| 19:51.23 | jelly-home | "no one sane changes $XAUTHORITY unless they absolutely must and there's no reason to foist that change onto a user that logged in in a completely normal way" |
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| 19:53.20 | cesurasean | Anyone know why dropbox won't load everytime my computer boots? Ive added the correct command to system>system pref>startup applications. It only seems to show up in the task tray when it feels like it. |
| 19:55.17 | cesurasean | and, now, somehow the program starts without those entries... wtf? |
| 19:55.50 | valdyn | cesurasean: "normal" programs are saved with the session when you exit gnome |
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| 19:56.13 | jelly-home | ,versions dropbox |
| 19:56.15 | valdyn | cesurasean: you dont need to add those to startup applications, just run once and either exit or "gnome-session-save" |
| 19:56.15 | judd | Package dropbox on i386 -- sid/non-free: 0.8.107-1 |
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| 20:02.11 | Jinko | a poi.... |
| 20:02.33 | cesurasean | for some dropbox is running when i boot my machine, yet no entry is in /etc/init.d/, nor inside system/system pref/startup applications. How else could this program be starting automatically? |
| 20:02.56 | valdyn | cesurasean: gnome saves the programs you are running |
| 20:03.19 | hXm | aw, I wanted to install kde4 but I got kde3.5 |
| 20:03.26 | badaxx | jhutchins_lt: so, I tried to boot with lilo now (installed a vserver image via apt) but it stops on boot. this is the kern.log: https://gist.github.com/062a5f7b5856aebd34e3 (well these are the last few lines) |
| 20:03.31 | badaxx | can you help me out? |
| 20:03.52 | valdyn | cesurasean: cat ~/.gnome2/session |
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| 20:05.17 | badaxx | looks like it tried to reboot three times and then my hoster activated the rescue mode |
| 20:05.51 | jhutchins_lt | badaxx: No ideas on that one, maybe somebody else who knows raid? |
| 20:06.17 | jhutchins_lt | badaxx: Only thing I notice is that the PC Speaker is registered as an _input_ device. |
| 20:06.32 | valdyn | badaxx: these are the last few lines you get to see maybe, but not related to your issue |
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| 20:07.00 | jhutchins_lt | valdyn: Unfortunately it's a remote VM, so he doesn't see the boot text. Wish there were some way to capture that. |
| 20:07.02 | badaxx | valdyn: well I thought it could give me or you some information about why it gets stuck |
| 20:07.12 | valdyn | badaxx: it doesnt |
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| 20:07.46 | badaxx | well it looks like it boots correctly, it's even running some cron jobs |
| 20:08.00 | badaxx | but then there is this line and it's rebooting: https://gist.github.com/062a5f7b5856aebd34e3 |
| 20:08.21 | valdyn | badaxx: also unrelated to your issue |
| 20:08.41 | valdyn | badaxx: how do you even know that its rebooting? |
| 20:08.51 | badaxx | Oct 21 21:50:05 ks312665 shutdown[3351]: shutting down for system reboot |
| 20:09.02 | valdyn | jhutchins_lt: the more reason why his service provider should be easily able to get him a useful log |
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| 20:09.32 | valdyn | badaxx: why are we not seeing the whole log? |
| 20:09.52 | badaxx | now this is the whole syslog from boot to reboot: https://gist.github.com/e33ad928df0f139ba5eb |
| 20:10.40 | valdyn | badaxx: its rebooting because something is issueing a shutdown command |
| 20:11.13 | jhutchins_lt | What's the rtm script do? |
| 20:11.24 | valdyn | funny |
| 20:11.26 | badaxx | that's there by default. OVH is doing some weird things by default |
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| 20:12.15 | jhutchins_lt | OVH no doubt being your provider, I think you need to get them involved. |
| 20:12.25 | Ceazer | i need to install the cross-compiler for mipsel anyhelp |
| 20:12.25 | valdyn | badaxx: whatever it is, someone added a command to shut down - we can hardly know who or why |
| 20:12.30 | war9407 | Are there any pros/cons to having ipv6 support in the kernel if its not being used? (e.g. I never compile it in unless I am using it) |
| 20:12.32 | badaxx | "A backdoor has been created by OVH to your server, this allows them to get root level access and they have installed remote logging software." |
| 20:12.59 | valdyn | war9407: can be a problem when certain things are badly configured |
| 20:13.07 | valdyn | war9407: that means youre safer without |
| 20:13.25 | jhutchins_lt | war9407: There were DNS issues but they may be fixed now. |
| 20:13.41 | Ceazer | i need to install the cross-compiler for mipsel anyhelp |
| 20:13.59 | Ceazer | !help |
| 20:14.10 | nsadmin | Ceazer: maybe you have to build a cross env yourself, starting with gcc... get its source and read INSTALL |
| 20:14.20 | jhutchins_lt | war9407: There's really no point to ipv6 until the major carriers start supporting it. |
| 20:14.30 | nsadmin | (in the worst case that is)( |
| 20:14.51 | valdyn | badaxx: this almost looks like a shutdown added to @reboot, which would even be quite ironic ( but is also just a guess ) |
| 20:15.07 | war9407 | thanks |
| 20:15.24 | badaxx | valdyn: well, i removed the rtm thing from the crontab and rebooted from hd... let's see |
| 20:15.50 | Ceazer | nsadmin hmm wt do u mean i am already having gcc compiler |
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| 20:16.21 | nsadmin | does it produce code for the target machine? |
| 20:16.38 | Ceazer | nsadmin yes it does |
| 20:16.58 | nsadmin | it produces mipsel executables? |
| 20:17.06 | Ceazer | nsadmin yea |
| 20:17.42 | nsadmin | ok, so then you need to fill out your env with whatever libs needed |
| 20:17.43 | Ceazer | nsadmin it produced binary file |
| 20:18.20 | Ceazer | nsadmin, this wt just it needs you need to download the source of hydra and |
| 20:18.21 | Ceazer | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:18.47 | nsadmin | I have no idea about the details of how, nor about how well debian supports cross envs |
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| 20:19.52 | nsadmin | but if debian does support them reasonably, you should be able to set it up without having to compile things... or, you might have to build at least some of the libs |
| 20:20.27 | Ceazer | nsadmin, yea but while compiling it gives me errors |
| 20:20.36 | nsadmin | after that, there's the issue of where to put things |
| 20:22.03 | jhutchins_lt | Ceazer: The only code I've ever compiled without errors is my own. |
| 20:22.40 | nsadmin | that's kinda impressive :) |
| 20:23.36 | nsadmin | Ceazer, tell ya what... so you can see this is an ongoing project even after you get everything eorking... right? |
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| 20:24.03 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: A long time ago on a mainframe far, far away. |
| 20:25.11 | nsadmin | you made 9 moovees about it?! |
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| 20:25.23 | nsadmin | starting in the middle?? |
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| 20:25.57 | jhutchins_lt | all in ASCII art. |
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| 20:26.17 | nsadmin | bambi meets godzilla!!! |
| 20:26.29 | n00ch | nmainframes will rise again! |
| 20:27.13 | jhutchins_lt | Actually, mainframes are doing quite well, especially since IBM found out how many Linux VM's you can run on a 3090. |
| 20:27.22 | robokop | does anyone know a nice utility to get stats about an imap account i have access to, (eg: avg mail/day over the time)? |
| 20:27.34 | n00ch | jhutchins_lt: I was referring to just that... VM's |
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| 20:28.13 | jhutchins_lt | robokop: The utils I know that do that are log file analizers. |
| 20:28.18 | nsadmin | virtual mainframes running on zx sinclairs! |
| 20:28.52 | robokop | jhutchins_lt: mailgraph won't work, i don't have access to anything but the imap account |
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| 20:31.07 | akkad | is there a way to check to see if any pending security updates need to be installed? |
| 20:31.30 | Xanbreon | # aptitude update |
| 20:31.38 | cognitiaclaeves | I'd like to get a CISCO VPN client working on a lenny server box. Is there a howto for getting that working and importing the cert? |
| 20:31.41 | Xanbreon | etc |
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| 20:31.58 | cognitiaclaeves | correction: Cisco compatible VPN client |
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| 20:32.48 | stew | akkad: are you running stable? do you have a security.debian.org line in /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 20:33.42 | n00ch | cognitiaclaeves: i know of a way to get ubuntu clients to connect to a cisco vpn from the command line.... but i dont know if its the best way to do it |
| 20:34.00 | n00ch | cognitiaclaeves: i use vpnc |
| 20:34.20 | cognitiaclaeves | n00ch: I can get Ubuntu working, though not from the command line. I just saw vpnc on a thread. I was about to try installing it. |
| 20:34.43 | n00ch | cognitiaclaeves: well i meant you could probably use it on your lenny box |
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| 20:35.14 | n00ch | cognitiaclaeves: all you need is to apt-get install vpnc, then edit the default.conf with your .pcf info |
| 20:35.30 | Tekk_ | Okay, so I made my / too small and tried resizing my /home(ext3) with a gparted livecd |
| 20:35.32 | jhutchins_lt | cognitiaclaeves: Linux vpn can import the cisco client config files if they're not too sloppily made. |
| 20:35.48 | akkad | stew: yes |
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| 20:36.06 | Tekk_ | it was in a logical, I used the standard partition setup. I assumed that since the dev names were the same it would be fine, but when I start it says the filesystem check fails on some UUID |
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| 20:36.15 | n00ch | yes i used a tool to import the .pcf, but i'm not sure what it was |
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| 20:36.20 | cognitiaclaeves | jhutchins_lt: Ok. I like the idea of importing better than editing the default.conf config. |
| 20:36.39 | Tekk_ | how do I move(what I assume) is the old one's out and change it to the new one's so I don't have to manually mount whenever I start? |
| 20:36.47 | cognitiaclaeves | there's an extension to vpnc for cisco, isn't there? |
| 20:36.48 | jhutchins_lt | Tekk_: You may have changed the numbering of the partitions; fdisk -l might show you what you need. |
| 20:37.06 | n00ch | cognitiaclaeves: i believe vpnc is the cisco extension of vpnc |
| 20:37.06 | n00ch | cognitiaclaeves: i believe vpnc is the cisco extension of vpn*** |
| 20:37.11 | cognitiaclaeves | ah. |
| 20:37.15 | jhutchins_lt | cognitiaclaeves: The one I got to work didn't need a special extension. |
| 20:37.25 | Tekk_ | jhutchins_lt: no, I was obsessive in making sure that the partition numbers were the same |
| 20:37.42 | Tekk_ | home is /dev/sda6, swap is sda5, root is sda1 just like before |
| 20:37.45 | cHarNe2 | how to see what MAC-adress a certain IP has? |
| 20:38.10 | bzrk | arp -a? |
| 20:38.11 | CorvetteZR1 | hey jhutchins_lt , stew , i figured it out. so this distro is actually knoppix, not debian, and the 2.6.24.4 kernel is the vanilla one from kernel.org, not a debian one. so i just downloaded and prepared the sources and got the headers from there. thanks for pointing me in the right direction, the snapshots will come in useful for me in the future :) |
| 20:38.33 | jhutchins_lt | Tekk_: It's possible the UUID changed I guess, you could try changing fstab back to /dev configuration. |
| 20:38.36 | cHarNe2 | bzrk: where is arp located? |
| 20:38.50 | bzrk | cHarNe2: its a command |
| 20:39.03 | cHarNe2 | bzrk: yeah i know but i cant type it |
| 20:39.05 | bzrk | cHarNe2: shows your machines arp cache |
| 20:39.15 | bzrk | cHarNe2: apt-cache search arp |
| 20:39.15 | Tekk_ | okay, can anyone tell me how to change the terminal keymap? |
| 20:39.26 | cognitiaclaeves | n00ch: Well, here's what you were probably referring to: http://www.debuntu.org/how-to-connect-to-a-cisco-vpn-using-vpnc |
| 20:39.35 | Tekk_ | It's on qwerty and I use colemak, so it's messing me up more than a little bit |
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| 20:39.40 | cHarNe2 | bzrk: can you do a whereis on arp ? |
| 20:40.09 | bzrk | cHarNe2: /usr/sbin/arp |
| 20:40.32 | qq- | cHarNe2, try as root |
| 20:40.41 | cHarNe2 | only have: arpd arping |
| 20:40.58 | bzrk | Tekk_: loadkeys |
| 20:41.10 | Tekk_ | HA |
| 20:41.28 | n00ch | cognitiaclaeves: not sure if i've seen that specific doc, but yes that's what i did. i think it ended up being easier than importing in the end, not sure... |
| 20:41.58 | jhutchins_lt | cHarNe2: It's in root's path, part of net-tools. |
| 20:42.03 | Tekk_ | thanks for the fstab tip jhutchins_lt, back in my day(you know, when etch was stable and I used ubuntu >>) we actually used dev names :P |
| 20:42.15 | n00ch | cognitiaclaeves: then if you save that in the default spot for the config, you can just run "sudo vpnc" then enter password (if you use one) then it connects |
| 20:43.11 | jhutchins_lt | Tekk_: The transition from hdX to sdX naming required something independent of device names so they used UUID. |
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| 20:43.37 | cusco | hi... |
| 20:43.43 | n00ch | hi |
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| 20:44.13 | cusco | I have two text files a lot alike. the second one has some extra lines in the middle. How can I easely compare them and print out the extra-lines only? |
| 20:44.43 | a_l_e | hello if i get the following error: """libxft-dev: Dépend: libxft2 (= 2.1.14-2) mais 2.1.14-2kx1 est installé.""" how, can i get the current (and correct) version installed... |
| 20:44.47 | cusco | I was looking for a solution where I don't have to grep 1st file for every line in second file... |
| 20:44.53 | cognitiaclaeves | n00ch: How did you handle the group password? |
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| 20:44.54 | docgnome | anyone using iwlagn with an intel centrino advance-n 6200? says it is supposed to work but now i just keep getting pastebin.com/bfz2jgqh over and over again. it keeps trying to authenticate but never does |
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| 20:45.26 | a_l_e | no idea where that 2.1.14-2kx1 version comes from... |
| 20:45.29 | Voldenet | Hello, i got problem with gcc & g++, what means: cc1plus: error: t.c: Value too large for defined data type? |
| 20:45.30 | dwq | cusco: I think diff is what you want. I don't know how to use it though |
| 20:45.35 | a_l_e | any idea how can i get ridd of it? |
| 20:45.37 | cognitiaclaeves | n00ch: nvm |
| 20:45.40 | cusco | a_l_e: are you using debian repos ONLY? |
| 20:45.49 | Voldenet | What causes this error? |
| 20:45.49 | n00ch | n00ch: i believe the group pass is the same as the "ipsec ... |
| 20:46.17 | n00ch | cognitiaclaeves: see you got it |
| 20:46.34 | a_l_e | cusco: well... so i should test if another repository is providing it... |
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| 20:47.10 | cognitiaclaeves | No, but I noticed that your method didn't have that issue, necessarily. Actually, I'm going to abandon this project. As I think about it, it won't be very helpful for much longer. |
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| 20:47.46 | a_l_e | cusco: debian repositories only, on that system... |
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| 20:48.02 | cusco | a_l_e: i guess you should apt-get update && apt-get upgrade first |
| 20:48.02 | jhutchins_lt | cusco: diff -u <file1> <file2> |
| 20:48.07 | cusco | then try and install the file |
| 20:48.37 | n00ch | jhutchins_lt: damn i couldnt think of it! |
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| 20:49.53 | f8l | Tekk_: I use Colemak too. ;-) |
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| 20:50.23 | stew | akkad: sorry, then "aptitude update && aptitude search '~U'" will list upgradable packages |
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| 20:50.31 | unomi | Hi, I am trying to get my head around the safest way to get python 2.6 running on lenny |
| 20:50.32 | mmslowll | THE GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA WANTS YOU TO KNOW WHEN YOU COMMENT ON SPAM, THE GAY NIGGERS WIN. NOW YOU KNOW, AND KNOWING IS HALF THE BATTLE! GO NIGGER!!! mmslowll unomi aleray Granis arif-ali hermogenes Voldenet ups cusco a_l_e timw acu bit0 Tekk_ Spami|Thug sphenxes cognitiaclaeves akkad cHarNe2 zxoch mee bluethundr WarHitex [SkG] G_O_D karsten-nr pawelpaja- catsup Malf GammaG e-jones dgm_077 naphex jony_ cga stoffepojken k1ng dig Da |
| 20:50.33 | mmslowll | THE GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA WANTS YOU TO KNOW WHEN YOU COMMENT ON SPAM, THE GAY NIGGERS WIN. NOW YOU KNOW, AND KNOWING IS HALF THE BATTLE! GO NIGGER!!! mendred joneal g0bl1n shylent n00ch CorvetteZR1 meliowant Python1320 litlebuda atomx MattWB Lns saac Laptop_Brain zephrax Infin1ty malled kvm iratik The_Machine XayOn daedhel grazymax format_c DxB amphi jhutchins_lt mirr0r f8l hochron waremperor hramrach smica dArK_IcE themill r3c4ll |
| 20:50.33 | mmslowll | THE GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA WANTS YOU TO KNOW WHEN YOU COMMENT ON SPAM, THE GAY NIGGERS WIN. NOW YOU KNOW, AND KNOWING IS HALF THE BATTLE! GO NIGGER!!! tempeldirne geekpunk gnusosa me|kor valdyn sorressean mi hoxu do0ob pif WormFood abysed aidaho bsiq` milobit mezod Led_Zeppelin tharkun dtcrshr raidghost oMega_2093 jpinx-eeepc dino- MadViking fnordperfect rvsjoen Strogg YWork ponyofdeath Kuzavas up365 homie tyche streuner_ stew Tom0 |
| 20:50.33 | mmslowll | THE GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA WANTS YOU TO KNOW WHEN YOU COMMENT ON SPAM, THE GAY NIGGERS WIN. NOW YOU KNOW, AND KNOWING IS HALF THE BATTLE! GO NIGGER!!! Digdilem slon SRabbelier s0d0 Agiofws axelis AntiSpamMeta kek wr| Jinx-Wolf obcecado Amorphous tensorpudding hebz0rl jgeboski renanpantoja qwyeth ciphernaut` rgr nhandler lzdforeverjoy ukine bzed alextreme felipe ramo102 Without shamrock cnu Guerin_ igno bvs_ pLr_ esaym Husar_ Winkie |
| 20:50.33 | mmslowll | THE GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA WANTS YOU TO KNOW WHEN YOU COMMENT ON SPAM, THE GAY NIGGERS WIN. NOW YOU KNOW, AND KNOWING IS HALF THE BATTLE! GO NIGGER!!! dzup_ zz_Crisco Russell`` Alam_Squeeze eye69 Ziber nukeAFK ksx4system gattor speedmann sunkan psychik xingu uneek frikinz HardDisk_WP M`vy fnmrwick eject_ck krisfremen pav5088 NoNaMeNo ecolitan Lewoco xqueralt massmc wasi Xanbreon Gurty bzrk tm Eryn_1983_FL fatalerrors Will| frankie |
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| 20:50.43 | Tux^verdreifelt | GO NIGGER ;<+ |
| 20:50.47 | LoRez | Tux^verdreifelt: don't. |
| 20:50.51 | Tux^verdreifelt | thanks LoRez :) |
| 20:50.55 | Tux^verdreifelt | haha, i liked that. |
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| 20:51.08 | unomi | Hi, I am trying to get my head around the safest way to get python 2.6 running on lenny - any pointers? |
| 20:51.11 | YWork | F*cker :/ |
| 20:51.22 | cusco | what is +r ? only registered people can speak? |
| 20:51.26 | cga | wishes it was about cialis |
| 20:51.30 | tensorpudding | cusco: right |
| 20:51.33 | Tux^verdreifelt | cusco: yep |
| 20:51.39 | cusco | cool |
| 20:51.51 | LoRez | no, only identified can JOIN, not speak |
| 20:52.07 | LoRez | it won't stop the non-identified already in here |
| 20:52.12 | Lns | i thought the terrorists would win if you commented on spam? |
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| 20:52.19 | Lns | :/ |
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| 20:52.32 | jhutchins_lt | unomi: Install a squeeze vm. |
| 20:52.34 | cusco | right |
| 20:52.52 | unomi | jhutchins_lt: :/ |
| 20:53.26 | unomi | I wish I had a nice cpu for XEN but .. |
| 20:53.29 | bzed | unomi: there is an unofficial backport, look trough the debian-python lists archives |
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| 20:54.04 | bzed | unomi: but you will have to use pypi-install / virtualenv for your modules |
| 20:54.06 | cognitiaclaeves | unomi: python2.6 isn't default? |
| 20:54.13 | bzed | unomi: otherwise you won't have fun :)( |
| 20:54.17 | bzed | cognitiaclaeves: not in lenny |
| 20:54.21 | jhutchins_lt | unomi: I don't know that we've seen anybody do that successfully. The problem is that a lot of the system uses python, and python uses lots of libs, so either you screw up the system or if you install it in parallel it can't find it's libs. |
| 20:54.27 | The_Machine | whoa |
| 20:54.27 | a_l_e | cusco: actually, its aleray's system... |
| 20:54.28 | unomi | bzed: I have virtualenv running already |
| 20:54.41 | bzed | unomi: look in the list archives then |
| 20:54.51 | bzed | unomi: I think Fabio Trnchitella created a backport |
| 20:54.51 | aleray | hello here |
| 20:54.58 | a_l_e | he has tried an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade and it doese nothing... |
| 20:55.05 | cognitiaclaeves | I could have sworn I got python2.6 working on lenny.... I just don't remember how. |
| 20:55.08 | bzed | unomi: should be fine to use it with virtualenv. |
| 20:55.36 | aleray | a_l_e, i'm sorry I don't really get it... I did upgrade this afternoon |
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| 20:55.37 | unomi | jhutchins_lt: yeah, I had a bried look at doing it through testing, but the dependency resolution made my stomach turn |
| 20:55.46 | unomi | bzed: thanks! I'll have a look |
| 20:55.50 | a_l_e | ah! |
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| 20:56.10 | unomi | http://code.reddit.com/wiki/DependenciesOnDebian5 there is this |
| 20:56.16 | aleray | a_l_e, :) sorry I forgot to mention this :-P |
| 20:56.19 | cusco | aleray: what happens when you try to install the lib now? |
| 20:56.46 | unomi | but like I said, the dependency resolution basically looks like it is ripping out half my system |
| 20:56.47 | bzed | unomi: ouch |
| 20:56.51 | bzed | unomi: don't do that |
| 20:56.53 | aleray | cusco hello! wait a minute I make a paste |
| 20:57.08 | bzed | unomi: better install squeeze instead. or use a backport and virtualenv |
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| 20:57.25 | unomi | nod, I'll see if I can't find that backport |
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| 20:58.35 | bzed | unomi: Message-ID: <20101013074035.GA21634@mail.tranchitella.eu> |
| 20:58.41 | bzed | unomi: and the following in the thread |
| 21:00.06 | dsirijus | ok, i have no /dev/rtc nor /dev/rtc0 and modprobe rtc | rtc_cmos | rtcgen says there's no that module |
| 21:00.25 | dsirijus | i'm on lenny at some cloud service |
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| 21:01.44 | dsirijus | genrtc, that is |
| 21:02.05 | aleray | cusco, a_l_e: this is what I tried: http://dpaste.com/261598/ |
| 21:02.19 | unomi | bzed: that doesn't seem googleable |
| 21:05.07 | cusco | aleray: if you want dependencys for inkscape you can apt-get install build-dep inkscape |
| 21:05.20 | cusco | but let me read.. |
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| 21:05.54 | aleray | cusco, ok I didn't really know. Im' fairly ne to debian |
| 21:06.43 | stew | aleray: what's your goal in recompiling inkskape? |
| 21:07.09 | stew | aleray: you probably need to "apt-get build-dep inkscape", but i wonder if there is a better way to accomplish whatever you are trying to accomplish |
| 21:07.09 | cusco | 2.1.14-2kx1 is installed? |
| 21:07.35 | cusco | stew: seems that he wants to compile latest trunk |
| 21:07.35 | aleray | stew, I want inkscape with the --enable-dbus compile option |
| 21:07.41 | cusco | ow.. |
| 21:08.23 | stew | aleray: can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy libxft2" ? |
| 21:08.31 | stew | aleray: it looks like you've got packages that didn't come from debian |
| 21:08.59 | stew | aleray: or do you know where you got this libxft2 package? |
| 21:09.57 | aleray | stew, http://dpaste.com/261602/ |
| 21:10.38 | aleray | stew, I have no idea. the only thing which is not a debian repository in my source.list is skype |
| 21:11.01 | aleray | deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free :-( |
| 21:11.20 | cusco | there |
| 21:12.03 | cusco | is that where it came from? |
| 21:12.17 | aleray | cusco? how can I check? |
| 21:12.26 | cusco | I don't know! :( |
| 21:12.29 | a_l_e | well... if i understand it correctly, that's the only repo which is not from debian itself |
| 21:12.53 | cusco | then you can probably comment it out, apt-get update, and apt-get install --reinstall libxft2 |
| 21:13.11 | a_l_e | or just the last command alone, first? |
| 21:13.20 | dsirijus | no /dev/rtc, anyone? |
| 21:13.20 | a_l_e | aleray, can you try apt-get install --reinstall libxft2 |
| 21:14.10 | dsirijus | "Cannot access hardware clock via any known method" |
| 21:14.35 | cusco | a_l_e: needs to comment out that repo and update list of packages first... |
| 21:14.39 | aleray | cusco, a_l_e I comment out the skype line first? |
| 21:14.47 | aleray | ok cool |
| 21:14.51 | aleray | let me try |
| 21:15.02 | a_l_e | you will have to reinstall skype afterwards... |
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| 21:16.18 | aleray | a_l_e, that's ok |
| 21:18.05 | aleray | a_l_e, cusco strange it says it can't be downloaded: http://dpaste.com/261604/ (in french) |
| 21:19.04 | docgnome | how do i make my xgamma settings persistant? |
| 21:19.19 | GammaG | i've been on freebsd for over 10 years, and now im starting to become a debian user on all my servers |
| 21:19.34 | GammaG | i feel like i've done blasphemy |
| 21:19.41 | unomi | bzed: found his backport, unfortunately it seems its amd64 only |
| 21:19.54 | AimHere | Us degenerate heathens welcome you, BSD scum. |
| 21:20.13 | stew | aleray: i don't think it came from skype or else it would have shown up in the last "policy" line i asked you for |
| 21:20.26 | stew | aleray: and what he's telling you to do isn't enough to downgrade the pacakge |
| 21:22.36 | a_l_e | well... aleray, is that computer important to you right now? |
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| 21:23.08 | a_l_e | i would remove libxft2, accept that half the system disappears and reinstall it afterwards... |
| 21:23.21 | aleray | a_l_e, the computer is important. compiling inkscape from trunk is not so important:-P |
| 21:23.35 | a_l_e | ok... that *is* a radical solution... |
| 21:23.39 | a_l_e | any other is better... |
| 21:23.42 | aleray | it sounds like yes |
| 21:23.50 | aleray | ! |
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| 21:24.22 | dsirijus | no, correct time on my server is important |
| 21:24.22 | dsirijus | :PO |
| 21:24.56 | stew | aleray: or just "aptitude install libxft2=2.1.14-2" |
| 21:25.15 | stew | aleray: but i wonder what other things we'll find which have been upgraded past squeeze |
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| 21:29.02 | aleray | stew, a_l_e cusco thanks for your help. I think I will try to solve this enigma a bit latter |
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| 21:30.00 | aleray | a_l_e, actually I was doing this partly to help audrey, a digital artist who wrote on the inkscape list and who is looking for someone to help her |
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| 21:30.30 | aleray | a_l_e, may be you'd be interested? (it is paid) |
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| 21:32.29 | a_l_e | aleray: i guess you're more interested than me to get paid for it :-) |
| 21:33.32 | aleray | a_l_e, no because I don't have the skills to help her. I was just interested by the new dbus interface and I faced a similar problem to her in the past |
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| 21:35.06 | a_l_e | i would love to do such things... but i fear that i have no free time at the moment... |
| 21:35.52 | ponyofdeath | hi guys, i am having an problem with my raid1 setup. i had sdb,sdc in raid1 but after moving som sata cables one of the drives sdb was accidentaly put onto a hardware raid and it started to auto rebuild on it. so after i fixed issue i added the drive back and did a rebalance which locked up computer now i cannot mount the file system. can someone please help? here is what the output of the mounts checks and other info: http://pastebin. |
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| 21:37.36 | BarkingFish | Evening guys. I'm a first time user to debian, migrating from another linux OS. I have tried to set up my WiFi USB stick from the base install of debian 5.0.6 (CD1) and found it does not have a piece of software I need to do the job. |
| 21:38.31 | BarkingFish | I need ndiswrapper to do this, but cannot recover it directly from within debian as I only have the wifi for net access. Can I download it and transfer it into debian using my windows install, and if so, do I need to download any dependencies to go with it? |
| 21:38.45 | acu | BarkinFish - install debian squeeze *6.0* from debian-installer daily |
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| 21:39.33 | AimHere | If newer debian isn't an option, you can just download the .deb file from Your Debian Mirror of Choice, and any dependencies it needs |
| 21:39.38 | acu | download the tarbal for the proprietary drivers BarkingFish |
| 21:39.51 | aleray | a_l_e, too bad. Let me know if yo know someone who has time :) |
| 21:39.58 | aleray | thanks for ur help |
| 21:40.15 | AimHere | ndiswrapper oughtn't to need much dependencies though, other than perhaps the relevant linux-headers |
| 21:40.17 | BarkingFish | AimHere, thanks for that - how do I find out which deps I need to pull at the same time please? |
| 21:40.30 | AimHere | apt-cache show ndiswrapper will tell you what you need |
| 21:40.38 | acu | BarkingFish: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 21:40.48 | AimHere | synaptic will too, if you're a quiche-eating gui-user |
| 21:40.52 | BarkingFish | I have proprietary drivers for the ket, but the module which comes in the linux kernel doesn't operate my stick yet |
| 21:40.58 | BarkingFish | *ket/key |
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| 21:41.21 | BarkingFish | it should run off the ath5k module |
| 21:41.32 | acu | BarkingFish: if you install from scratch Squeeze |
| 21:42.12 | BarkingFish | acu, if it's a development version, I won't do it. I use the current installs only, dev versions have left me losing data in the past. I stick with what works, but thanks anyhow :) |
| 21:43.34 | BarkingFish | AimHere, I tried the apt-cache show ndiswrapper from within a terminal, but it tells me it doesn't have information on the file |
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| 21:44.01 | AimHere | Might be a different name |
| 21:44.24 | AimHere | apt-cache search ndiswrapper will get a list of the packages that reference ndiswrapper, and you can 'show' the ones you need |
| 21:44.30 | BarkingFish | is there any other way I can find its dependencies without using apt-cache? |
| 21:44.38 | AimHere | I mentioned synaptic |
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| 21:44.43 | AimHere | Also the website will tell you |
| 21:44.49 | BarkingFish | as I say, i'm running locally only on debian, i have no net access yet |
| 21:45.04 | BarkingFish | is there somewhere on the web which will show me the dependencies I need? |
| 21:45.12 | AimHere | packages.debian.org |
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| 21:46.03 | BarkingFish | brilliant! Thank you so much! - I migrated to debian because my old distro became too clunky and slow, and their installer was all messed up. Time for a change, and it looks like a good one! |
| 21:47.03 | BarkingFish | one more question - when I have the .deb files I need, can I use apt to install them? like apt-get install <whatever>.deb? |
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| 21:47.17 | badaxx | any good tutorials for setting up a linux vserver system on lenny? |
| 21:47.23 | BarkingFish | or does the command change? |
| 21:47.24 | AimHere | You use 'dpkg -i' to install the files |
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| 21:47.31 | BarkingFish | ah, great! |
| 21:47.34 | BarkingFish | Thanks! |
| 21:47.43 | AimHere | That won't install the dependencies, it'll complain if it doesn't have them, and you'll have to install them manually |
| 21:48.02 | AimHere | For any of these commands, 'man <command>' will give you the gory details on what exactly they're supposed to do |
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| 21:48.47 | acu | BarkingFish: Debian Squeeze is frozen since few months - it very reliable - and is going to be release soon |
| 21:49.03 | yagoo | thinks the fisshell has the fastest descpriotn about any command (just type "apt"<tab><tab> and it'll automatically show possible results and description lines for each) |
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| 21:51.37 | BarkingFish | I've checked on the packages.debian.org site, and it appears that I already have the deps that are needed |
| 21:52.05 | BarkingFish | the reason I couldn't find it was that the file is not called just ndiswrapper - there's ndiswrapper-common and ndiswrapper-utils |
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| 21:52.14 | BarkingFish | one of which calls the other |
| 21:52.53 | BarkingFish | acu, well when it's released and available, i'll check it out - but while this is the stable version, this is what I'll run :) |
| 21:53.09 | BarkingFish | I've been stung too often by dev versions, and it's not gonna happen again! |
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| 21:53.50 | jelly-home | BarkingFish: smart move! |
| 21:54.55 | BarkingFish | jelly-home, The last time a dev version let me down, it took my entire stock of public photography with it, which I use for wikipedia and the commons public image site |
| 21:55.20 | BarkingFish | 5.5million photos gone in a heartbeat |
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| 21:55.21 | jelly-home | good thing you made regular backups! |
| 21:55.38 | BarkingFish | yeah, 239 DVDs |
| 21:55.45 | jelly-home | :-D |
| 21:55.53 | BarkingFish | and a month and a half to rescue them all |
| 21:56.17 | BarkingFish | anyhow, I'll see you guys in a bit - gonna go get ndiswrapper dpkg'd |
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| 22:00.01 | filePeter | Hi, netstat says rxbytes and txbytes are close to zero after the trafic got bigger than something between 2.4GiB and 4GiB I guess⦠Is there a rollover? Im running debian32-bit-lenny on 64bit intel⦠|
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| 22:01.17 | JyZyXEL | their only 32 bit counters |
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| 22:01.42 | filePeter | Oh⦠Really? |
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| 22:06.04 | phorce1 | ,versions claws-mail-html2-viewer |
| 22:06.07 | judd | Package claws-mail-html2-viewer on i386 -- lenny: 3.5.0-3; lenny-backports: 3.7.5-1~bpo50+1; sid: 3.7.6-1+b1; squeeze: 3.7.6-1+b1 |
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| 22:07.06 | jhutchins_lt | Not entirely sure BarkingFish understands debian package management yet. |
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| 22:14.27 | monkey_d_luffy | I'm using rdblacklist=nouveau as a kernel parameter, but the damn thing still insists on loading. What am I missing? |
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| 22:17.55 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: I can't say I do, after using Debian for merely 14 years |
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| 22:22.17 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: Wow, since it was three, that's impressive. |
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| 22:22.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, about time you learned then... |
| 22:23.13 | jelly-home | agrees that his capability not to learn is impressive |
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| 22:23.34 | jhutchins_lt | goes googling for "server reop irc"... |
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| 22:24.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, although there are some aspects like... that packages not identical to your installed one but of the same version number on the repo have priority over the installed one... |
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| 22:25.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess we can wait another 100 years and I won't understand that |
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| 22:25.42 | monkey_d_luffy | how do I prevent a module from being loaded by the kernel? blacklist.conf does not prevent such a thing |
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| 22:25.52 | xuser | what module? |
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| 22:26.08 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: but noone sane would even have different packages with identical versions... would they? WOULD THEY??? |
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| 22:26.38 | monkey_d_luffy | xuser: the evil nouveau.ko |
| 22:26.49 | jelly-home | !nofb |
| 22:26.49 | dpkg | To disable framebuffer use at Debian installation time, supply the "fb=false" (d-i) or "video=vga16:off" (kernel) boot options. |
| 22:26.52 | xuser | monkey_d_luffy: use a xorg.conf |
| 22:26.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, wouldn't they? |
| 22:27.14 | xuser | monkey_d_luffy: what driver you want to use? |
| 22:27.23 | monkey_d_luffy | xuser: have you ever used nvidia instead of nouveau? it doesn't seem so |
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| 22:27.33 | monkey_d_luffy | I'm using rdblacklist=nouveau as a kernel parameter, but the damn thing still insists on loading |
| 22:27.38 | jhutchins_lt | rename nouveau.ko noworkie.ko |
| 22:27.49 | monkey_d_luffy | :) |
| 22:27.56 | xuser | monkey_d_luffy: I'm using the non-free nvidia drivers |
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| 22:28.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... it knows better what you want than you do... |
| 22:29.10 | xuser | aptitude purge xserver-xorg-video-nouveau |
| 22:29.15 | monkey_d_luffy | xuser: in that case you know that what xorg.conf says is irrelevant for the kernel. how do you prevent nouveau from being loaded? |
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| 22:29.27 | monkey_d_luffy | oh ok |
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| 22:29.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | !blacklist-initramfs |
| 22:29.43 | dpkg | If your kernel uses an initramfs image (e.g. Debian stock kernel images), you need to run 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)' in order to refresh its copy of blacklist table. Otherwise, early bootup won't follow your blacklist requests in e.g. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf |
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| 22:30.01 | jhutchins_lt | xuser: On a lot of systems that'll rip out X and everything related. |
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| 22:30.51 | monkey_d_luffy | xuser: aptitude purge xserver-xorg-video-nouveau won't really prevent nouveau.ko from being used |
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| 22:31.25 | jhutchins_lt | monkey_d_luffy: Combined with a blacklist entry it might. |
| 22:31.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | monkey_d_luffy, did you try that? ^^^ |
| 22:31.45 | jhutchins_lt | monkey_d_luffy: If xorg doesn't call it... |
| 22:31.47 | monkey_d_luffy | CutMeOwnThroat: was reading your tip. Thanks. Will try that now. |
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| 22:31.59 | jhutchins_lt | Ah, of course, initramfs. |
| 22:32.33 | tra3 | hey gents, i'm trying to install a lenny guest in kvm, on a clean lenny system. it hangs around partition formatting stage. does anyone know anything about that? |
| 22:32.34 | jhutchins_lt | So they only half-fixed the intel bug, X won't run without the framebuffer loaded. |
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| 22:34.59 | jelly-home | what intel bug? |
| 22:35.40 | stew | not this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_FDIV_bug |
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| 22:36.49 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: Don't have the number handy, 855's and i915's were blackscreening, some unrecoverably, the fix reached the repos within the past week. |
| 22:36.53 | jelly-home | I don't care about shipped video-intel and basically either hold a version that works well, or use the latest in (testing, unstable, experimental) |
| 22:37.33 | jhutchins_lt | video-intel now works on lenny and squeeze. |
| 22:37.39 | jelly-home | riight |
| 22:38.27 | jelly-home | well, it might be. But when it breaks, I can't wait 10+ days for it to be fixed |
| 22:39.12 | jelly-home | the one in lenny definitely doesn't work with DVI output of two year old G43 mainboards we have at work |
| 22:39.49 | jelly-home | I had to pick really strange snapshot versions to make it work on a coworker's pc with lenny |
| 22:40.00 | yagoo | stew, i actually had debian on a buggy pentium chip.. the kernel has a smart compensation routine mentioning about it in dmesg |
| 22:40.17 | jelly-home | "attempting to compensate" |
| 22:40.55 | jantje_ | 2.6.36-rc6 is now in experimental, how long does it take before the -final package becomes available? Because there's a fix i'd like :) |
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| 22:41.25 | jantje_ | or do any of you know an unofficial repository with bleeding edge git packages? |
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| 22:46.48 | monkey_d_luffy | CutMeOwnThroat: I edited blacklist.conf and then executed dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r) I can see that the image doesn't has any nouveau.ko but neither it has a nvidia.ko. Is that an issue? |
| 22:47.18 | jhutchins_lt | Interesting, don't have to horizontal scroll facebook any more. |
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| 22:49.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | monkey_d_luffy, I'm not sure what's happening with your setup... just something you said suggested modules _might_ be loaded early-on... - one of them was of course that you couldn't blacklist it the regular way :) |
| 22:49.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | but those graphics modules don't usually go into initramfs.... |
| 22:49.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | used to |
| 22:49.53 | jhutchins_lt | monkey_d_luffy: At worst you'll need to update the initrd with the nvidia kernel module. |
| 22:50.17 | jhutchins_lt | can't remember whether the ko's are kernel or xorg in debian. |
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| 22:50.52 | xuser | maybe he should explain what is he trying to actually do/achieve |
| 22:51.20 | jhutchins_lt | xuser: monkey_d_luffy? He has, he's trying to switch from noveau to nvidia drivers. |
| 22:51.55 | xuser | dpkg: nvidia |
| 22:51.55 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 22:52.14 | jhutchins_lt | CutMeOwnThroat: kms for everyone! No more annoying consoles, GUI everywhere! We'll teach those old farts to feel superior! |
| 22:52.14 | monkey_d_luffy | xuser: I thought that was clear. To annihilate that bloody cursed nouveau module that insists on getting loaded automatically and ignores kernel parameter rdblacklist=nouveau |
| 22:52.45 | xuser | monkey_d_luffy: why do you want to do that? |
| 22:52.49 | jhutchins_lt | monkey_d_luffy: ... which you figured out was because it was loading in your initrd. |
| 22:53.00 | yagoo | jhutchins, don't sound smart. That's pretty rude. |
| 22:53.07 | monkey_d_luffy | xuser: my problem is blacklisting a module not installing or building nvidia |
| 22:53.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins_lt, "kraphics more stupid" |
| 22:53.22 | xuser | monkey_d_luffy: did read the wiki? |
| 22:53.42 | jhutchins_lt | CutMeOwnThroat: Soon all man pages will be replaced with instructional video (shot on a cell phone of course). |
| 22:54.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins_lt, youtube-links... |
| 22:54.05 | renanpantoja | My wireless network is WPA2-PSK and the router can not connect because of this, anyone know any tutorial that teaches you configure debian to access a wireless network WPA2-PSK? |
| 22:54.05 | renanpantoja | Ouvir |
| 22:54.06 | renanpantoja | Ler foneticamente |
| 22:54.11 | yagoo | thinks jhutchins is rude calling old people "f**" |
| 22:54.14 | tra3 | i'm trying to install a lenny guest in kvm, on a clean lenny system. it hangs around partition formatting stage. does anyone know anything about that? |
| 22:54.53 | yagoo | tra3, try changing the mode to the HD's for the VM ? |
| 22:55.16 | jelly-home | yagoo: did you just censor farts? |
| 22:55.19 | yagoo | tra3, or a bootline argument whichv may help |
| 22:55.34 | jhutchins_lt | is old enough that he learned how to sight read paper punch tape. |
| 22:55.41 | monkey_d_luffy | xuser: yeah I did |
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| 22:56.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, hope you noticed, that by this, yagoo seems to have turned farts into fucks, which is no mean feat |
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| 22:56.35 | tra3 | yagoo: what mode? it appears to boot, but file is problematic |
| 22:56.36 | tra3 | dont know why |
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| 22:59.06 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: worse, that regular expression doesn't even make sense |
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| 23:00.01 | yagoo | tra3, i dunno.. tinker.. I'd look at those two things and google it.. |
| 23:00.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | usually tr/[a-eg-z]/*/, but that would give... fud? |
| 23:00.37 | tra3 | yagoo: "the disk" is a virtual image file created by the included tool.. |
| 23:01.36 | yagoo | tra3, then try ide or scsi.. |
| 23:01.47 | yagoo | tra3, and no. not physical.. i know htat already.. |
| 23:04.04 | tra3 | very strange.. kvm is uspposed to be quite stable, but that hasn't been my experience so far |
| 23:04.10 | tra3 | good idea on ide/scsci though |
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| 23:05.33 | jelly-home | you want stable, try ESXi on supported hardware |
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| 23:06.45 | tra3 | i'd love to try ESXi, but i got lost trying to figure out what 'supported hardware' is ;) |
| 23:06.49 | tra3 | so i'm taking the easy way out |
| 23:07.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | tra3, while that doesn't answer the question... if you look around there's pre-made images on the net... http://blog.aurel32.net/?p=46 guess using those is a matter of trust, though :-/ |
| 23:08.23 | jelly-home | fwiw, HP Proliants generations DL360 G3 - G6 with scsi/sas controllers seem to be supported |
| 23:08.44 | tra3 | hmm i have DL140 |
| 23:08.46 | tra3 | is there a list? |
| 23:09.11 | jelly-home | er, make that G4p - G6, older may not have hw virtualization in cpus |
| 23:09.21 | tra3 | CutMeOwnThroat: that's cool thanks.. but if i can't finish install, how can i trust this system at all.. |
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| 23:10.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | tra3, well... blabla, reinventing the wheel, blabla... |
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| 23:10.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | when partitioning you do things that probably never happen again on a running system... |
| 23:11.05 | tra3 | like writing to a disk? |
| 23:11.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | would be nice if debian.org itself had raw images |
| 23:11.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | like messing in the partition table |
| 23:11.32 | tra3 | but that's not very special |
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| 23:11.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | maybe, maybe not |
| 23:12.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | just thinking of wine, where it'S not unusual that the installer fails, but the software runs fine |
| 23:12.38 | tra3 | true |
| 23:12.49 | tra3 | but this doesn't instill any confidence in me |
| 23:12.53 | somiaj | tra3: can't you just use debootstrap to make an image for the kvm? Or do you really want to use the offical installer? |
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| 23:13.28 | tra3 | i'd be ok with a stable running system :) |
| 23:13.38 | tra3 | ok here we go |
| 23:13.46 | tra3 | looks like this version of kvm doesn't like 64 bit guests. |
| 23:13.48 | tra3 | interesting. |
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| 23:14.15 | somiaj | well you can install debian stable with debootstrap -- though then your doing more a manual install instead of using the fancy debian-installer |
| 23:14.16 | tra3 | i forgot to look for premade images, to be honest |
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| 23:16.32 | tra3 | interesting. |
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| 23:22.22 | badaxx | hey folks... still having a lilo problem. I'm trying to install a vserver package from psand.net. but lilo tells me that /dev/sdb is not readable, so I added disk=/dev/sdb inaccessible to lilo.conf - but this didn't help. any suggestions? |
| 23:22.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | tra3, you're not trying to run a 64bit guest under a 32bit kernel, are you? |
| 23:24.11 | tra3 | i dont think so |
| 23:24.16 | tra3 | i think the host is 64 bit too |
| 23:24.28 | tra3 | Linux olympus 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Thu Sep 16 15:56:38 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 23:24.49 | tra3 | yeah.. although, why does it say amd64, when it's a xeon box? |
| 23:24.53 | tra3 | does that look right to you? |
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| 23:26.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, it does |
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| 23:26.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's just to differentiat it from ia64 |
| 23:26.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | !ia64 |
| 23:26.44 | dpkg | [ia64] (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. See http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's <amd64>. |
| 23:27.25 | tra3 | odd. i get it, but odd. |
| 23:28.16 | jelly-home | tra3: why does my AMD machine run "i386"? |
| 23:28.31 | jelly-home | it's not intel, and it's not 386 |
| 23:29.08 | NiLon | maybe it's i386 compatible? |
| 23:29.32 | NiLon | clearly you won't get all the benefits of your cpu |
| 23:29.42 | jelly-home | NiLon: could be! Just like Intel's recent cpus are amd64 compatible. |
| 23:30.10 | tra3 | oh, so amd it the parent of the 64bit arch? |
| 23:30.18 | jelly-home | tra3: indeed |
| 23:30.27 | tra3 | ok, makes sense then. |
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| 23:32.16 | jhutchins_lt | tra3: Xeons are i686 or amd_64, only the Infineons were ia_64 afik. |
| 23:32.30 | jhutchins_lt | tra3: Made a fool of myself on that one fairly recently. |
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| 23:33.40 | tra3 | that would be time consuming i imagine |
| 23:33.41 | jhutchins_lt | ia_64 lacked backward compatibility, Intel was holding out for a distinct chipset, so when amd brought out something that was backward compatible it boomed, and Intell had to buy in to the standard. |
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| 23:35.35 | jhutchins_lt | Microsoft had trouble getting a good 64b system on ia_64 too, so being able to run w32 was important, and people who really needed 64 would install linux. |
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| 23:36.11 | MrSandman | hi all |
| 23:36.40 | tra3 | i missed this whole thing somehow |
| 23:36.53 | tra3 | all i need is a buncha virtual machines |
| 23:36.53 | MrSandman | please, anyone can tell me, where i can find the headers for 2.6.35-7 kernel?¿ ( debian squeeze ) |
| 23:37.16 | tra3 | in fact, i haven't touched my debian/xen machine in approx. 4 years. |
| 23:37.19 | tra3 | rusty. |
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| 23:38.46 | qq- | MrSandman, that's not squeeze kernel |
| 23:38.57 | jpinx-eeepc | ,kernels |
| 23:38.59 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.36-rc6-686 (2.6.36~rc6-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-26); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-25); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-23~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-25lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
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| 23:39.57 | MrSandman | ty mate |
| 23:40.11 | MrSandman | what kernel is more stable atm for squeeze? |
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| 23:44.37 | tra3 | so now i have a 32bit squeeze running in a 64bit lenny. |
| 23:44.41 | tra3 | awesome. |
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| 23:50.36 | tra3 | fantastic |
| 23:50.37 | tra3 | everything work |
| 23:50.40 | tra3 | s |
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| 23:55.54 | sweetpi | how can I mount a mfsroot image from freebsd? |
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