| 00:00.12 | tra3 | thank you gentlemen |
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| 00:19.24 | scx | hello |
| 00:19.51 | scx | what is fix.main, fix.contrib, fix.non-free in sidux repo? |
| 00:20.03 | scx | is it proposed-updates? |
| 00:20.06 | streuner_ | dpkg, sidux |
| 00:20.06 | dpkg | aptosid (formerly sidux) is a live distribution <based on Debian> Sid. It is not supported in #debian. http://aptosid.com/ #aptosid on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 00:37.15 | Raggs | hi all, apt-get autoremove shows 82 packages for removal, i am worried that these packages are actually needed, is there a bug that might cause this? |
| 00:38.34 | abrotman | you could show us the packages in a pastebin |
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| 00:39.07 | Raggs | abrotman, http://pastebin.ca/1969491 |
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| 00:39.40 | abrotman | seems like you removed the gnome metapackage perhaps |
| 00:40.32 | Raggs | abrotman, you rock |
| 00:40.38 | abrotman | i do? |
| 00:41.06 | dvs | excellent! |
| 00:41.12 | Raggs | sorry, spoke to soon, reinstalled gnome and still a bunch in the list |
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| 00:41.54 | Raggs | but that did take care of some of the list |
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| 00:42.46 | Raggs | abrotman, that was the problem |
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| 00:46.58 | joobie | hey guys.. trying to find a pcie card that's got decent support for linux and has quad hdmi output.. anyone know where to look / got any suggestions? I tried googling and not finding much.. |
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| 00:56.58 | aarcane | did those spams stop ? |
| 00:57.35 | aarcane | joobie, anything on newegg with nvidia and quad hdmi will work for your needs. |
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| 01:00.22 | joobie | nothing there aarcane |
| 01:00.32 | joobie | i actually looked at nvidia's site and didnt find any quad hdmi cards |
| 01:00.41 | aarcane | oh, then they don't exist :) |
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| 01:01.48 | joobie | they do |
| 01:01.55 | joobie | i was looking at one in a magazine, jsut dont remember the brand |
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| 01:07.14 | LinuxNIT | i set my fstab optio to defaults,users and the system is mounting them with noexec.Any idea why? (ext3) |
| 01:07.42 | LinuxNIT | one of them i even set as exec,users and it still mounted it as noexec |
| 01:08.21 | LinuxNIT | never mind forget i asked |
| 01:08.40 | LinuxNIT | i guess i just needed to ask so i could open my eyes |
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| 01:14.29 | DanDare | While booting, system says: "saned disabled; edit /etc/default/saned ", its MysQl related stuff ? |
| 01:15.06 | DanDare | Oh, no, its not MySql |
| 01:15.08 | rww | DanDare: no, saned is a daemon for scanners (as in, the things you use to scan paper and get an image of it) |
| 01:15.24 | DanDare | rww, thank you |
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| 01:43.17 | whodevil | so I accedentally installed the desktop environment on my debian box, and I really want a base install because it's going to be a KVM hypervisor. How do I remove all the Desktop stuff, to get back to a base install? |
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| 01:46.37 | jhutchins | tasksel remove desktop? |
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| 01:55.12 | edbian | Can I get some help with grub2? |
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| 01:55.55 | pigdude | Hi, my laptop screen doesn't turn on after suspend (lid close). What might cause that? It's a new computer with no issues so far, so I don't suspect that it's a hardware issue. |
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| 01:57.36 | jhutchins | pigdude: Hi. |
| 01:57.59 | jhutchins | Yeah, it's hardware/drivers |
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| 01:59.57 | pigdude | jhutchins, oh, ok |
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| 02:01.10 | pigdude | jhutchins, is it a fixable problem? |
| 02:01.48 | whodevil | jhutchins: that's it! thanks |
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| 02:04.45 | jhutchins | W00t |
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| 02:05.24 | geckopunk | anyone here know of a good application for tabbed remote desktop client? |
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| 02:06.54 | jhutchins | So. ipv6 is not a functional replacement for ipv4 - we've known that, because adoption has not been general. It doesn't solve the problem, Something else is required. |
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| 02:09.36 | stew | wut? |
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| 02:12.13 | geckopunk | on a side note... I thought I'd ask a non-partial channel. I've been thinking about learning a new language... |
| 02:12.20 | geckopunk | Perl... or Python? |
| 02:12.32 | jelly-home | yes. |
| 02:12.45 | rww | dpkg: ot |
| 02:12.45 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 02:15.18 | jelly-home | rww: Imagine the annoyance if people quoted the offtopic factoid on an otherwise completely idle channel |
| 02:16.56 | rww | jelly-home: Imagine the annoyance if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to made dubiously-applicable comments in the style of dpkg for a few minutes every day. |
| 02:18.16 | jelly-home | rww: I mean, be sensible. |
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| 02:18.41 | jelly-home | !qotd0 |
| 02:18.41 | dpkg | <ricky_clarkson> kinema: Always back up your data. <kinema> ricky_clarkson: interesting idea. i think i'll do that. |
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| 02:26.40 | pigdude | jhutchins, what do you think? |
| 02:27.00 | pigdude | jhutchins, is this the sort of thing I can expect to fix without writing my own driver? |
| 02:30.13 | aarcane | soo.. how long until a 6.0 release ? |
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| 02:30.44 | dondelelcaro | aarcane: when it's ready; sooner if you help. |
| 02:31.06 | Bushmills | before 2012 |
| 02:31.29 | Bushmills | maybe :D |
| 02:31.56 | aarcane | dondelelcaro, there's not much I could do, I'm still a csci student :( |
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| 02:39.39 | dondelelcaro | aarcane: doesn't matter; there are lots of things that people can do |
| 02:40.34 | aarcane | dondelelcaro, if I had spare hardware to test, I'd test. |
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| 02:47.17 | pigdude | it seems that my issue is fixed in a later kernel |
| 02:47.38 | pigdude | how can I (can I?) install a later kernel on lenny? |
| 02:47.46 | pigdude | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=630675#c2 |
| 02:48.10 | qq- | pigdude, uname -r , says ? |
| 02:48.24 | pigdude | qq-, earlier |
| 02:48.30 | pigdude | qq-, 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 02:48.31 | qq- | !backport |
| 02:48.31 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 02:48.34 | dondelelcaro | aarcane: you don't need spare hardware either; we've got lots of bugs that need fixing |
| 02:49.01 | pigdude | it seems like this is a common issue for users of this laptop |
| 02:49.22 | qq- | pigdude, install from lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-23~bpo50+1) |
| 02:49.30 | pigdude | http://www.google.com/search?q=suspend+screen+r500 |
| 02:49.30 | qq- | kernel |
| 02:49.54 | aarcane | dondelelcaro, how could I fix bugs without hardware to test the fixes on ? |
| 02:49.55 | pigdude | qq-, thanks, got it |
| 02:50.01 | qq- | !lenny-backports |
| 02:50.01 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo key> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo kernel> <bdo users> <bdo pinning> <volatile>. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100905 |
| 02:50.29 | dondelelcaro | aarcane: presumably you're actually running Debian? |
| 02:50.33 | qq- | pigdude, np |
| 02:50.53 | pigdude | qq-, and I have to recompile and install all other kernel modules I've built? |
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| 02:51.25 | qq- | pigdude, no, just install 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 and see |
| 02:51.36 | pigdude | ok, thanks, i'll be rebooting in a moment |
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| 02:53.41 | pigdude | oh, one other thing |
| 02:53.45 | pigdude | I got this message: |
| 02:53.47 | pigdude | W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/tigon/tg3_tso5.bin for module tg3 |
| 02:53.56 | pigdude | and two related files |
| 02:53.59 | qq- | pigdude, ignore it |
| 02:54.03 | pigdude | ok, thanks |
| 02:54.22 | aarcane | dondelelcaro, only on one of my production systems. the rest require newer software than debian 5 included. |
| 02:54.41 | dondelelcaro | *shrug* |
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| 02:58.37 | sweetpi | Can anyone point me in the right direction of how to recompile a kernel module without making the entire kernel? I just need to enable ufs write support. |
| 03:02.08 | agent0range | hey peeps, i have created a logival volume ontop of an encrypted pv. and im wondering which /dev/ to put my filesystem on. Am i supposed to use /dev/mapper/pvnamelvname or /dev/crypt/lvname? |
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| 03:44.05 | dpkg | For i386, -bigmem linux-images support up to 64 GB of RAM. If you have more than about 3.4 GB of RAM, install and use this to see everything past the sub ~3.4 GB limit (but with additional CPU overhead). Alternatively, if you have an <amd64> processor, use an amd64 kernel which doesn't need bigmem. |
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| 03:57.12 | agent0range | hello all, im trying to mount an ext4 filesystem and im geting "mount: unknown filesystem type 'ext4'" with lenny main default kernel amd64. any ideas? |
| 03:57.37 | agent0range | is ext4 built inot the default amd64 kernel? |
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| 03:59.08 | allan8904 | hey, i upgraded my xorg from lenny-backports to the version in sid (due to issues with my intel chipset), now i have no sound working in my system...does anyone know what could be casuing this issue? I know that it pulled down several libraries during the install but i'm not sure if any of them were alsa related |
| 03:59.58 | drdo | How can i check my current X resolution? |
| 04:00.30 | allan8904 | xvinfo? |
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| 04:06.24 | Rusty1 | try: xrandr, drdo |
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| 04:18.11 | dondelelcaro | innociv, iratik: your router is broken. fix it. |
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| 04:33.50 | allan8904 | does this channel support debian sid? |
| 04:34.01 | dondelelcaro | allan8904: to some degree, yes |
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| 04:34.55 | allan8904 | well i updated from lenny-backports to sid...everythign went smooth apart from my sound. Alsa seems to think its working properly, however i cant hear anything |
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| 04:37.37 | dondelelcaro | allan8904: do you have all of the levels up and unmuted? |
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| 04:37.52 | dondelelcaro | allan8904: do you have more than one output device? |
| 04:37.57 | allan8904 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:38.42 | allan8904 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:39.11 | dondelelcaro | allan8904: right, but you don't have an external card or anything else, right? |
| 04:39.25 | dondelelcaro | allan8904: do you have anything that may be using the output? does aplay work? |
| 04:39.27 | allan8904 | dondelelcaro: just the internal one |
| 04:39.38 | allan8904 | dondelelcaro: aplay works but i hear nothing |
| 04:40.22 | stew | allan8904: you are running a sid kernel now? can you pastebin the output of amixer? |
| 04:41.08 | allan8904 | stew: no the kernel was one of the few things that wasnt updated. I'm running 2.6.32-4 |
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| 04:41.45 | allan8904 | i'll get that amixer output |
| 04:42.00 | dondelelcaro | allan8904: well, you'll want to update to at least -5 |
| 04:42.11 | allan8904 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:42.11 | dondelelcaro | (just because -4 has local roots) |
| 04:43.05 | allan8904 | http://pastebin.com/MuhQyCzQ |
| 04:44.33 | allan8904 | hopefully that amxier output helps stew/dondelelcaro |
| 04:45.11 | stew | allan8904: it confirms things are turned up and unmuted |
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| 04:45.33 | allan8904 | stew: ah ok, what else could it be? |
| 04:46.04 | stew | allan8904: was sound working with this kernel before the upgrade? |
| 04:46.16 | allan8904 | stew: yes the sound was working |
| 04:47.00 | stew | allan8904: "cat /proc/asound/cards" shows only one card? |
| 04:47.27 | allan8904 | stew: correct |
| 04:47.29 | stew | are your speakers plugged, turned on, yada yada |
| 04:47.49 | allan8904 | stew: haha yeah, at first i was convienced they were the issue |
| 04:48.18 | stew | you are using analog outs not the 958 stuff, right? |
| 04:48.49 | allan8904 | stew: yeah just the analog output...it doesnt have a digital out on this board |
| 04:48.52 | stew | when I use the 958 (spdif) stuff i usually have to change random mixer settings to random values until that decides to work |
| 04:49.10 | stew | allan8904: alsa thinks you have a digital out :) |
| 04:49.32 | allan8904 | stew: it also thinks that i have 6 channel sound :) |
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| 04:50.10 | stew | "fuser /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp" would list any processes which are currently attached |
| 04:50.52 | allan8904 | cannot stat /dev/dsp: No such file or directory |
| 04:51.00 | stew | that's fine |
| 04:51.01 | jordanm | will miss 'alsaconf' |
| 04:51.41 | stew | /dev/dsp is the oss compatibility stuff, not having it is not unexpected and wouldn't affect aplay |
| 04:51.53 | allan8904 | ah ok |
| 04:52.48 | allan8904 | i dunno about you...but by the looks of things i thought this would be working... |
| 04:52.56 | jordanm | it would for some legacy applications, but thats another story |
| 04:53.29 | allan8904 | jordanm: huh? |
| 04:53.44 | jordanm | ignore me |
| 04:53.56 | allan8904 | jordanm: lol ok :) |
| 04:54.43 | allan8904 | stew: any other ideas? |
| 04:54.54 | stew | try it without the earplugs? |
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| 04:55.58 | allan8904 | stew: i've tried with speakers and headphones..still nothing |
| 04:56.22 | stew | yeah, i was making a joke. "how about clean your ears" :) |
| 04:56.26 | stew | i'm out of ideas |
| 04:56.45 | allan8904 | stew: ohhhhhhhhhhh. lol thanks anyways :) |
| 04:56.59 | stew | other than, try a new kernel that gets you a new alsa, but that feels like a cop out if this kernel was previously working |
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| 04:57.31 | allan8904 | stew: i might try that then.... |
| 04:57.40 | allan8904 | stew: thanks for your help |
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| 05:01.26 | stew | allan8904: there is also "/msg dpkg new alsa" to get the new alsa on the old kernel, which might be less intrusive |
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| 05:08.08 | allan8904 | stew what do you mean? |
| 05:09.01 | stew | !new alsa |
| 05:09.01 | dpkg | To compile newer <ALSA> drivers for your running kernel (not applicable to Lenny/2.6.26): first download an alsa-source .deb from http://packages.debian.org/sid/all/alsa-source/download ; install it with dpkg -i ; then run "aptitude install module-assistant ; m-a a-i alsa" ; you will need to reload your ALSA drivers. FTBFS issues with Debian stock kernels on squeeze are resolved as of alsa-driver 1.0.21+dfsg-2.1. |
| 05:09.22 | stew | oh, hmm, not applicable to 2.6.26? don't know why |
| 05:09.42 | jordanm | gueses ftbfs |
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| 05:15.17 | yordangh | Anyone know how to create a partial ext3 disk image with dd? The disk is 400 GB, but I don't have so much memory in any drive, and all the data that I want is near the beginning. |
| 05:15.38 | jordanm | yordangh: use bs= and count= |
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| 05:15.55 | jordanm | yordangh: eg bs=1024 count=5 for 5MB |
| 05:16.44 | jordanm | yordangh: why dd anyways? its extremely inefficient for backups |
| 05:16.54 | yordangh | jordanm: I tried that and it did copy it successfully, but it didn't create an image that I could mount |
| 05:17.21 | jordanm | yeah, it wouldn't |
| 05:17.35 | jordanm | yordangh: why not do a file backup? |
| 05:17.48 | yordangh | jordanm: I want to undelete, so I'm trying to create an image. :( I'm sorry |
| 05:17.58 | jordanm | !undelete |
| 05:17.58 | dpkg | Linux doesn't generally support 'undeleting' files. For ext2fs *only*, use mc (Midnight Commander), umount the fs, and select "Undelete files" from menu. For ext3fs, see http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html and ask me about <ext3grep>. With reiserfs, jfs, xfs, you're SooL. Some desktops (GNOME/KDE) offer a trash bin. See also <photorec>, <fatback>. |
| 05:18.01 | yordangh | jordanm: I know it's a longshot, but I have to try |
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| 05:20.01 | yordangh | jordanm: I still need the image for ext3grep to work though, and I don't have a 420 GB drive available anywhere. |
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| 05:21.31 | jordanm | yordangh: if you did not immediatly cease use of the drive, recovery is highly unlikely |
| 05:21.44 | jordanm | !backup |
| 05:21.44 | dpkg | [backup] something you should do *ALWAYS*... if you value your sh*t in the least. Otherwise eons of built-up data can go BYE BYE FOREVER one day if you do not; either by HD malfunction, intentional evil by crackers, mischievous glak elves invading your system, or large magnets getting out of hand. Pay the dollars for a tape system or CDR and use <tar> (optionally with bzip2 at lowest compression). See <things to backup>. |
| 05:22.48 | yordangh | I did cease unmount that partition right away, I didn't backup that part... |
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| 05:25.21 | raine | lol |
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| 05:27.27 | yordangh | lol |
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| 05:31.07 | Dewi | jordanm: that's a bit of a vintage factoid. HD is so much cheaper than tape or CDR nowadays (if you have much volume at least) |
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| 05:42.11 | simonrvn | Agiofws: seriously fix your net |
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| 05:47.47 | Jasonsmr | hello channel |
| 05:48.15 | Jasonsmr | I have a question about a casper persistance and a read only boot drive setup |
| 05:48.23 | Jasonsmr | anyone on this time of the day |
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| 06:03.06 | bolt | !ask |
| 06:03.06 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 06:03.28 | bolt | The_Rocken_Red-R: this is *especially* important when the channel is slow |
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| 06:05.07 | rww | bolt: turns out (from #ubuntu) he's using Backtrack anyway, so we sent him to #backtrack-linux. |
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| 06:05.53 | bolt | rww: ah :) |
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| 06:10.41 | pigdude | I reverted to an old kernel. Is there anything I need to look out for? Everything functions normally |
| 06:10.55 | pigdude | I had upgraded to a newer one via backports but it had more problems than the stable one |
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| 06:16.58 | bolt | pigdude: if you used backports, then probably not. otherwise it might have dragged with it some dependencies that the old kernel don't like |
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| 06:17.38 | bolt | pigdude: personally i would verify that stuff like usb drives and wireless still works, but there shouldn't really be a problem. |
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| 06:20.06 | Agiofws | hello |
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| 06:20.51 | Agiofws | can someone tell me if this error is debian package related ? http://codepad.org/7AiygofU ? something to do with zlib.h ? just wondering if its an upgrade error or something ? |
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| 06:24.32 | Agiofws | anyone ^^ ? |
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| 06:30.29 | pigdude | bolt, ok, thanks |
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| 06:31.09 | Agiofws | can someone tell me if this error is debian package related ? http://codepad.org/7AiygofU ? something to do with zlib.h ? just wondering if its an upgrade error or something ? |
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| 06:31.27 | pigdude | Agiofws, where does it say zlib.h? |
| 06:31.29 | Agiofws | and can anyone tell me how to find out what version a certain package is for my system ? |
| 06:32.23 | Agiofws | nowhere but the devs in blender say its zlib.h to blame i think because gzopen64 is part of zlib |
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| 06:33.11 | rww | Agiofws: apt-cache policy packagenamehere |
| 06:33.20 | rww | see the "Installed" line |
| 06:33.26 | pigdude | Agiofws, do you have zlib1g-dev installed? |
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| 06:35.01 | Agiofws | zlib1g-dev is already the newest version. |
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| 06:37.34 | Agiofws | should i upgrade ? |
| 06:37.52 | Agiofws | zlib1g-dev: |
| 06:37.53 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:40.36 | Agiofws | ? |
| 06:41.37 | peterrooney | ,versions zlib1g-dev |
| 06:41.39 | judd | Package zlib1g-dev on i386 -- etch: 1:1.2.3-13; lenny: 1:1.2.3.3.dfsg-12; sid: 1:1.2.3.4.dfsg-3; squeeze: 1:1.2.3.4.dfsg-3; experimental: 1:1.2.5.dfsg-1 |
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| 06:43.59 | Agiofws | versions zlib1g-dev |
| 06:44.04 | Agiofws | ,versions zlib1g-dev |
| 06:44.05 | judd | Package zlib1g-dev on i386 -- etch: 1:1.2.3-13; lenny: 1:1.2.3.3.dfsg-12; sid: 1:1.2.3.4.dfsg-3; squeeze: 1:1.2.3.4.dfsg-3; experimental: 1:1.2.5.dfsg-1 |
| 06:45.56 | milk_ | milk_ haha |
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| 06:49.14 | bla | What kernels do you use on Debian for servers? I'd like for example to limit processes user can view, have PAX protection etc., is there a ready kernel for me? :) |
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| 06:53.46 | Dewi | bla: on servers it is customary to use a standard kernel, because it's stable and well-tested |
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| 07:01.01 | bolt | bla: if you really want to, you can go through the whole grsecurity kernel mess, but it's not really necessary. I don't think it's packaged for debian either |
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| 07:02.41 | bolt | however, I do have two accounts on two separate small-donation-for-life shell servers, and both run Debian with a grsecurity kernel |
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| 07:04.38 | bla | Until recently I've always compiled kernel myself with grsecurity. It even really worked as I've never found a localrootexploit for this kernels. (One for example would not work since I haven't compiled in any non-standard network protocols). |
| 07:04.59 | bla | But I was hoping there's something with stack protection etc. in packages. |
| 07:05.17 | bla | Thanks for information. ;) |
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| 07:19.04 | karsten-nr | what are the nvidia-kernel packages for? |
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| 07:22.39 | xyan | karsten-nr: apt-cache show tells it in the description |
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| 07:25.05 | leahcim | Hello. Does the squeeze installer support the (virtual) hardware found in VMware guests? (pcnet32 for network, mpt for disks) |
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| 07:25.47 | Agiofws | hello |
| 07:26.02 | Agiofws | can someone help install subtitle editor in debian |
| 07:26.02 | Agiofws | ? |
| 07:26.04 | Agiofws | GStreamer plugins missing. |
| 07:26.06 | Agiofws | The playback of this movie requires the following decoders which are not installed: |
| 07:26.07 | Agiofws | XVID MPEG-4 decoder |
| 07:26.12 | Agiofws | can anyone help me ? |
| 07:26.36 | Dewi | leahcim: dunno about squeeze but vmware has always installed fine for me |
| 07:26.55 | karsten-nr | xyan: Um. Not very informatively. I read that and I don't get it. |
| 07:27.14 | karsten-nr | !tell Agiofws about marillat |
| 07:27.32 | Dewi | leahcim: the hardware might not be natively supported until you install vmware-tools of course, but it works |
| 07:27.36 | karsten-nr | Agiofws: you need video codecs, many of which are non-free, and are in the mariallat archive. |
| 07:27.37 | xyan | karsten-nr: so its the _precompiled_ binary what dont you understand about it? |
| 07:27.46 | Dewi | leahcim: by which I mean it might be a bit slow or whatever |
| 07:27.52 | Agiofws | mariallat archive ? |
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| 07:28.19 | karsten-nr | xyan: No, it's the which specific bits of nVidia hardware does it refer to. There's more than just GPUs these days. |
| 07:28.59 | xyan | karsten-nr: yeah theres legacy for everything before 6xxx series and the normal one for everything starting from 6xxx series |
| 07:29.05 | xyan | karsten-nr: its been that way forever |
| 07:29.32 | xyan | karsten-nr: if you are unsure go to nvidia.com and fill the download form it will tell you if you need the legacy or regular driver |
| 07:30.54 | karsten-nr | xyan: Thinkpad T410s. Trying to get dual head working with an Apple monitor (DVI output). Tested VGA and that works fine. I'm also (seperate issue) getting X crashes with any OpenGL screensavers (workaround: remove them). |
| 07:31.43 | xyan | karsten-nr: im no hardware database and dont know shit about Thinkcrap T410s nvidia chipset |
| 07:31.49 | karsten-nr | That said, I'm looking at nVidia graphics support (there are two GPUs, one Intel, one nVidia), and what's involved. Saw the nvidia-kernel packages and was wondering what they were. |
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| 07:32.09 | karsten-nr | xyan: Didn't say you were. I am, however, providing more context to my specific problem. |
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| 07:32.24 | karsten-nr | xyan: thanks for your unwaveringly helpful information and cheerful demeanor. |
| 07:33.00 | xyan | karsten-nr: i told you to visit nvidia.com and figure out if you need the legacy one or the regular? is that not helpful? |
| 07:33.14 | karsten-nr | xyan: And cheerful. |
| 07:33.21 | Dewi | xyan: that's not what karsten-nr asked |
| 07:33.50 | karsten-nr | Dewi: blood from turnips and all that. Not worth it. |
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| 07:34.35 | nascentmind | When I schroot I get TERM not set. How can I fix it? |
| 07:34.47 | xyan | export TERM=vt100 |
| 07:34.49 | karsten-nr | nascentmind: set it. |
| 07:34.59 | nascentmind | in bashrc? |
| 07:35.07 | karsten-nr | nascentmind: export TERM=<some value>. 'vt100' is a safe baseline, xterm should also work. |
| 07:35.07 | xyan | before running schroot |
| 07:35.14 | karsten-nr | nascentmind: Whatever shell. |
| 07:35.33 | nascentmind | but I have it in my host shell set |
| 07:35.56 | nascentmind | when I schroot it doesn't reflect in the chrooted env. |
| 07:36.03 | karsten-nr | nascentmind: schroot may sanitize the environment. |
| 07:36.08 | Dewi | nascentmind: probably deliberately |
| 07:36.23 | Dewi | nascentmind: the whole point of chroot is to get an isolated environment, right? |
| 07:36.35 | nascentmind | yes it says it doesn't set dangerous variables. |
| 07:36.37 | nascentmind | yes |
| 07:36.42 | karsten-nr | nascentmind: I don't know the tool, so read the manpage. Or just set TERM manually (or in your init). |
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| 07:38.19 | xyan | karsten-nr: so your nvidia chipset is a quadro one which didnt even have a stable driver release. i suggest you get the beta driver from nvidia directly. filling out the form suggests a legacy beta from 2007 version 169.04 |
| 07:38.33 | xyan | karsten-nr: im not sure if it will run smoothly, or fix your issues at all |
| 07:38.43 | karsten-nr | xyan: Thanks. |
| 07:38.46 | xyan | karsten-nr: and now go and blame nvidia not me ;) |
| 07:39.36 | frikinz | nascentmind: Looks like it's corrected in testing/unstable --> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=589917 |
| 07:39.45 | karsten-nr | xyan: I'm not *blaming* you, I'm just holding you personally responsible for nvidia's b0rkedness. |
| 07:40.03 | nascentmind | frikinz: if I do a preserve-environment it works. |
| 07:40.09 | nascentmind | i.e. set it to true |
| 07:40.19 | karsten-nr | xyan: Where'd you dig out that info BTW? |
| 07:40.52 | karsten-nr | xyan: FYI: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation GT218 [NVS 3100M] [10de:0a6c] (rev a2) |
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| 07:41.18 | xyan | judd: pciid 10de:0a6c |
| 07:41.19 | judd | [10de:0a6c] is 'GT218 [NVS 3100M]' from 'nVidia Corporation' with kernel module 'nvidiafb' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:0a6c http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers and the out-of-tree 'nvidia' module. |
| 07:41.33 | xyan | karsten-nr: http://www.nvidia.com/Download/Find.aspx?lang=en-us |
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| 07:42.16 | xyan | karsten-nr: oh my fault its 3100M not 300M that one is supported by the regular driver still |
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| 07:43.20 | karsten-nr | xyan: regular driver == sources downloadable via apt? (I'm reading the Debian nvidia wiki page ATM: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers ) |
| 07:43.49 | xyan | karsten-nr: id go for the .run package from nvidia, the debian packages are pretty old |
| 07:44.05 | xyan | karsten-nr: you have to recompile the module whenever you change your kernel though |
| 07:44.13 | karsten-nr | xyan: ... and reason I asked where you pulled the info was that Thinkpad minor model numbers generally vary with chipset revs, so not all "T410s" systems are identical. |
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| 07:44.29 | karsten-nr | xyan: yeah, I know. That's one thing I'm not too looking forward to. |
| 07:44.41 | karsten-nr | xyan: Though I just built a new kernel for another issue already. |
| 07:44.47 | xyan | karsten-nr: the gfx chipset shouldnt vary and theres a intel gma and one nvidia model |
| 07:44.59 | xyan | karsten-nr: yeah if you use a vanilla kernel then go for the .run package |
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| 07:45.34 | karsten-nr | xyan: Freshly compiled 2.6.34 when I reboot sometime here. |
| 07:46.08 | karsten-nr | xyan: and honestly I could care less about 3D and OpenGL, but being able to use an external monitor would be nice. |
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| 07:46.20 | xyan | karsten-nr: then you have the complete sources and "sh NVIDIA-*.run" should work without a problem |
| 07:46.37 | karsten-nr | Ok. |
| 07:46.38 | xyan | karsten-nr: the builtin nvidia-settings thing should be helpful as well |
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| 07:47.03 | karsten-nr | bbiam... |
| 07:47.13 | xyan | http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-ia32-260.19.12-driver.html |
| 07:47.14 | xyan | ^^ latest |
| 07:47.27 | xyan | (32bit not sure what you need) |
| 07:47.35 | karsten-nr | amd64 here. |
| 07:47.53 | xyan | http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-amd64-260.19.12-driver.html |
| 07:47.54 | xyan | ;) |
| 07:48.31 | karsten-nr | xyan: Keep this up and I may have to take back all those nice things I said about you. |
| 07:49.40 | NginUS | hi all |
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| 08:04.26 | karsten-nr | New kernel works. And I can dim my display. |
| 08:04.44 | karsten-nr | Dual-head test waits for tomorrow at work. |
| 08:04.59 | xyan | installed the driver already? |
| 08:05.05 | karsten-nr | No. |
| 08:05.11 | karsten-nr | Too sleepy for that. |
| 08:05.18 | karsten-nr | It's 1am |
| 08:05.37 | xyan | ok the keep in mind to remove all of the nvidia related debian packages, and run the installer wihtout X started |
| 08:05.41 | xyan | then* |
| 08:05.58 | karsten-nr | OK. I'll probably forget, then remember ;-) |
| 08:06.13 | xyan | you will remember when the installer complains haha |
| 08:06.15 | xyan | gnite then |
| 08:06.24 | karsten-nr | g'night. |
| 08:06.30 | karsten-nr | And thanks, really. |
| 08:06.39 | leahcim | Dewi: perhaps I should have been more specific: is the squeeze installer missing the pcnet32 and mpt drivers? Installation is hard if I can't see the disks. :) |
| 08:06.50 | xyan | yeah no problem.. will work on my patience |
| 08:07.00 | karsten-nr | Heh. Been there, done that. |
| 08:08.34 | Dewi | leahcim: aren't they compiled during vmware-tools install? |
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| 08:08.50 | Dewi | leahcim: you shouldn't need them |
| 08:09.13 | leahcim | In order to install vmware-tool you need to at least have installed an OS on the machine :P |
| 08:09.27 | Dewi | leahcim: yes. |
| 08:09.36 | Dewi | leahcim: which Just Works |
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| 08:10.02 | Dewi | leahcim: did you choose IDE or SCSI for the vmdk? |
| 08:10.08 | leahcim | Except the latest squeeze installer seems to be missing the relevant SCSI and network drivers :P |
| 08:10.13 | leahcim | SCSI (ESX3) |
| 08:10.27 | Dewi | vmware server defaults to IDE |
| 08:10.29 | leahcim | I have a bunch of lenny and etch VMs |
| 08:10.31 | Dewi | it's probably more compatible |
| 08:11.14 | Dewi | yeah... but it's hard to know what's deliberate in squeeze and what's a bug |
| 08:11.14 | leahcim | We always use the LSI controller here. |
| 08:11.26 | Dewi | since it's not finished yet |
| 08:11.27 | leahcim | Exactly, hence me asking here :P |
| 08:12.38 | leahcim | doublechecks with a lenny installer, as most of the lenny machines we have are upgraded etch machines :P |
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| 08:15.15 | Dewi | leahcim: I think I've used the lenny installer but I can't be sure |
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| 08:17.46 | leahcim | Yeah, the lenny installer successfully finds disks and network. |
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| 08:18.45 | Dewi | leahcim: there will be various squeeze installer builds around. Maybe another will work |
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| 08:19.19 | leahcim | Yeah, this is the latest daily. I think I might try the latest weekly next... |
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| 08:35.03 | leahcim | Dewi: okay, I suspect my problem with the daily I'm using is a kernel version mismatch within the installer... |
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| 08:37.35 | Dewi | leahcim: oh so can't find the module dir or something? |
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| 08:38.01 | Dewi | (or just some list of what to probe I guess...) |
| 08:38.31 | leahcim | Symptoms are identical to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=566310 |
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| 08:45.00 | hXm | hello, I have backports added on my repository, I wanted to install kde4 in example but debian installs 3.5 |
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| 08:45.13 | hXm | how to force install kde 4 |
| 08:45.23 | leahcim | apt-get install kde4? |
| 08:45.38 | hXm | package not found |
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| 08:47.18 | leahcim | Hmm. There's a metapackage called kde-plasma-desktop though. |
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| 08:54.09 | drasko | Hi all. I noticed that ld from binutils-2.20.51 does not find by itself libstdc++.a. Is this a bug ? |
| 08:54.39 | jelly | dpkg, tell hXm about install kde4 |
| 08:55.48 | hXm | my repositories are 'stable' should I change that to 'squeeze'? |
| 08:55.59 | hXm | I don' t get any of these packages that dpkg suggest me |
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| 08:58.02 | hXm | well, I did that, someone told me squeeze is stable enough |
| 08:58.02 | blip2 | !tell hXm about squeeze |
| 08:58.15 | hXm | I reach kde-full now, and hope some new stuff too. |
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| 09:04.11 | frikinz | Is there a way to remove udev and go back to fixed device assignment?? |
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| 09:05.58 | leahcim | Unlikely. What problem are you trying to work around? |
| 09:07.06 | frikinz | leahcim: no problem, I just don't need udev as there is anyway to available slot on the hardware |
| 09:07.13 | frikinz | and it's slow on startup |
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| 09:07.34 | frikinz | anyway no* available |
| 09:07.46 | jelly | hXm: don't mix stable and squeeze, that way lies pain |
| 09:08.27 | jelly | hXm: if you absolutely require kde4, you may upgrade to squeeze but bear in mind it's still buggy and has no security support. do /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
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| 09:12.32 | cantido | thought squeeze was being security supported... |
| 09:13.24 | cantido | most of the time the DSA mails list what's happening in unstable for that issue too |
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| 09:34.13 | bolt-work | weird name... |
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| 09:40.49 | drith | i want to blacklist rt2x00usb and rt2x00lib in debian squeeze amd64 |
| 09:40.57 | drith | any how to or way |
| 09:41.17 | drith | i blacklisted them from /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf |
| 09:41.27 | drith | but after reboot they are used again |
| 09:41.54 | drith | what is the way to blacklist modules? |
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| 09:45.22 | amphi | !blacklist |
| 09:45.22 | dpkg | In lenny and squeeze, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'. IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModuleBlacklisting |
| 09:46.40 | drith | 10x |
| 09:48.26 | bolt-work | !10x |
| 09:48.27 | dpkg | well, 10x is a l33t way of saying "thank you", or see <pls> |
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| 09:48.36 | bolt-work | ah |
| 09:48.40 | bolt-work | feels outdated |
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| 09:53.05 | Almad | Hi, if I'm creating a package and want to depend on particular version of some package, but regardless of it's build number, how can I do it? |
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| 09:55.18 | nsadmin | should be in the packaging manual |
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| 09:59.58 | Almad | nsadmin: could not find it there :( I have tried to use +b123 number, but it still not matching dependency required by = |
| 10:00.21 | nsadmin | = is exact match. |
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| 10:05.30 | thewanderer1 | where do I set KDE's wallpaper in Squeeze? quick! |
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| 10:06.34 | jelly | thewanderer1: iz obviuz: right click on desktop, Desktop Activity Settings |
| 10:06.50 | nsadmin | "quick!" could be a paid contract attribute... |
| 10:07.01 | thewanderer1 | jelly, okay, config file? :) |
| 10:07.05 | jelly | that'll be 3.50 USD |
| 10:07.09 | thewanderer1 | :P |
| 10:08.21 | jelly | thewanderer1: I don't know where the settings are saved |
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| 10:09.21 | alystair | so I just thought of a silly shell tool that'd be fun |
| 10:09.46 | alystair | a zebra program that you could pipe input through to add zebra striping to rows of information |
| 10:10.23 | alystair | so you can easily tell row from row when viewing various listings |
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| 10:16.05 | Tobias| | Is it advisable to set a debian stable installation to upgrade via a cronjob, or will that likely just break things and cause unnecessary amounts of trouble? |
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| 10:20.23 | Tobias| | "Automatic upgrade of all packages is NOT recommended unless you are in full control of the package repository." |
| 10:20.26 | Tobias| | Well, that makes sense |
| 10:20.34 | Tobias| | maybe I'm likening this all to svn:externals too much |
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| 10:25.17 | inc0 | hey |
| 10:25.39 | blackshirt | hey too |
| 10:25.39 | Tobias| | o hai dere |
| 10:25.54 | inc0 | I've installed redmine in apache. How to make it aviable from localhost:3000 instead of localhost/? |
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| 10:26.12 | inc0 | I want other things in localhost;) |
| 10:26.35 | Tobias| | http://www.news.com.au/travel/news/crocodile-on-a-plane-kills-19/story-e6frfq80-1225942045322 |
| 10:26.41 | Tobias| | Oh, wow :| |
| 10:26.55 | Tobias| | inc0, configure the port |
| 10:27.18 | Tobias| | If you're using apache, you're going to need to configure apache to do that |
| 10:27.33 | inc0 | well it doesnt have to be port...it can be localhost/redmine for example |
| 10:27.37 | inc0 | and yes;) I know |
| 10:27.47 | inc0 | but cant find place where and what to configure |
| 10:28.05 | inc0 | well I belive it will be something around VirtualHost |
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| 10:28.34 | Tobias| | Certainly |
| 10:28.43 | Tobias| | You should have a /etc/apache2/sites-available |
| 10:29.02 | Tobias| | I imagine you hvae a redmine virtualhost somewhere in there? You should literally just be able to tweak that |
| 10:29.14 | Bushmills | inc0, mkdir /var/www/foo; echo test > /var/www/foo/index.html ; then browse to http://localhost/foo |
| 10:29.18 | Tobias| | just need to* |
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| 10:29.39 | nascentmind | when I exit and schroot again my postgres user and group vanishes and postgres complains saying the cluster was owned by user id which is not present anymore. any ideas why this is happening? |
| 10:29.45 | Bushmills | " can be localhost/redmine for example" |
| 10:29.57 | Tobias| | That's messy, Bushmills |
| 10:30.40 | Tobias| | inc0, the best place to ask would be #httpd |
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| 10:30.50 | Tobias| | That's Apache's offical channel |
| 10:30.54 | jmut | hi. what is the package for enterprise vnc viewer |
| 10:31.01 | Bushmills | what is messy - subdirs under /var/www? |
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| 10:32.17 | inc0 | Bushmills, it wont work that easly as redmine is ruby app |
| 10:32.23 | inc0 | not php |
| 10:32.33 | Tobias| | inc0, #httpd |
| 10:32.40 | inc0 | omw:)\ |
| 10:32.46 | Tobias| | :) |
| 10:32.46 | inc0 | thanks |
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| 10:34.52 | Bushmills | nascentmind, compare user ids of postgres in both /etc/passwd and /<chroot>/etc/passwd |
| 10:35.17 | nascentmind | Bushmills: it isn't present |
| 10:36.13 | nascentmind | there is no postgres in passwd nor shadow nor group |
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| 10:36.41 | nascentmind | am I not using some settings properly? |
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| 10:37.54 | Bushmills | by chroot, you mean dropping postgres privs after init? |
| 10:38.08 | Bushmills | by changing to user/group specified in config? |
| 10:39.43 | ov3rmind | hi to all. |
| 10:40.13 | nascentmind | Bushmills: I don't find postgres user and group after I exit a session and the schroot again. |
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| 10:41.17 | Bushmills | you mean that postgres user gets removed by starting and exiting a session? |
| 10:41.24 | nascentmind | Bushmills: yes |
| 10:41.43 | nascentmind | Bushmills: is it rewriting the files again? |
| 10:41.48 | Bushmills | so it exists, then you run session, and after that, your passwd and shadow files are modified? |
| 10:41.57 | nascentmind | yes. |
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| 10:42.38 | nascentmind | it exists. I exit the session then enter the session and I don't find postgres in shadow and group. |
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| 10:43.45 | badaxx_ | hey, I installed a vserver image by psand.net but lilo doesn't recognize it automatically. what do I have to do to boot the image? |
| 10:44.16 | Bushmills | look at modification time of passwd/shadow whether that's happening at start or stop time. |
| 10:44.31 | nascentmind | Bushmills: is it happening in your machine? |
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| 10:46.17 | Bushmills | you think i'd let a program do that to mine? and not fixing or getting rid of it? |
| 10:47.10 | Bushmills | though that sounds very unlikely to be caused by debian installed things - i'd look at some session script you're executing |
| 10:47.39 | nascentmind | ok. I exited. checked the timestamp. no change. I entered again. timestamp changes. no postgres user. |
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| 10:49.29 | nascentmind | Bushmills: what session scripts would cause this? |
| 10:49.59 | nascentmind | Bushmills: or is it some normal behaviour? |
| 10:50.42 | Bushmills | why isn't your postgres just started on boot, through run level script? |
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| 10:52.15 | nascentmind | Bushmills: well I have not tried that yet. but I need to solve this first. |
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| 10:52.29 | weedar | Sorry for asking this,but shouldn't I still be able to use eth0 if I add it to a bridge with the command "brctl addif bridge0 eth0" ? |
| 10:53.14 | nascentmind | well /etc/r3.d S19postgresql is present. |
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| 10:53.28 | Bushmills | " what session scripts would cause this?" - no idea, you didn't make it very clear what you're running for "starting and exiting a session" |
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| 10:54.17 | nascentmind | Bushmills: I start with schroot -c ... -u root and exit by typing exit. |
| 10:54.56 | nascentmind | Bushmills: nothing is customized. I installed via debootstrap. |
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| 10:57.18 | Bushmills | chroot? so you'll be using a different /etc after chroot. does the password file in chroot /etc have the user you're looking for? |
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| 10:58.49 | WhiteSpi | Hi Guys. What tool would you use (not graphical) to monitor XMPP packets coming into a sever? We want to see if a particular message is coming into the server. I tried tcpdump, but it doesn't seem to reconstruct the packets so that they can be grepped |
| 10:58.55 | nascentmind | Bushmills: no it doesn't. also my host system does not have the user postgres. |
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| 10:59.38 | Bushmills | there's no reason why your host system would have one - unless you have installed postgres there too |
| 11:00.21 | Bushmills | my guess is that you're looking at two different passwd files, |
| 11:00.24 | nascentmind | Bushmills: no I haven't. Is it copying from my host system? |
| 11:00.43 | Bushmills | no, it isn't |
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| 11:01.13 | Bushmills | unless you bind mounted parts of your host directory hierarchy |
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| 11:01.50 | nascentmind | Bushmills: ah. |
| 11:02.46 | nascentmind | Bushmills: in mount-defaults proc,sys, dev and dev/pts and /tmp are bound |
| 11:03.14 | Bushmills | that's ok |
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| 11:08.10 | thewanderer1 | weedar: if you decide to enslave eth0 in br0, you may only use br0 for layer 3 traffic then - eth0 becomes passive from your point of view |
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| 11:09.56 | weedar | thewanderer1: okay, thanks for clearing that up :) |
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| 11:13.52 | nascentmind | Bushmills: ok. I installed postgresql in the host and the chroot env has the postgres user and group and when I exit it does not get removed. |
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| 11:53.09 | anoob | is there someone involved with the maintainers guide? |
| 11:54.27 | abrotman | ask your real question |
| 11:54.44 | anoob | it's a suggestion |
| 11:55.05 | anoob | so, i've read debian maintainers guide a lot of times ... |
| 11:55.15 | abrotman | there's the BTS .. you can file bugs against the maintainers guide |
| 11:55.20 | abrotman | like wishlist bugs |
| 11:55.35 | abrotman | so what's your suggestion? |
| 11:55.35 | anoob | oh, do you have the URL? |
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| 11:56.44 | abrotman | anoob: what's your suggestion ? |
| 11:56.46 | anoob | abrotman, I've been using debian for 3 years and I think (I don't know if it's only me...) debian maintainer's guide is too complicated to beginers |
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| 11:57.09 | abrotman | anoob: there are alternate references |
| 11:57.17 | anoob | i don't know... maybe a guide to newby people that want to contribute |
| 11:57.25 | abrotman | contribute in what way? |
| 11:57.26 | anoob | i DO really want to contribute with debian |
| 11:57.33 | anoob | packaging |
| 11:57.57 | xxtjaxx | anoob look for the newmaintainers guide :) |
| 11:58.07 | abrotman | bleh .. the debian-women guide is gone |
| 11:58.33 | abrotman | anoob: you can also ask #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net for help |
| 11:58.44 | anoob | hum... i see |
| 11:58.51 | anoob | maybe i can start with some translations |
| 11:59.05 | abrotman | anoob: http://www.debian.org/intro/help |
| 11:59.07 | anoob | i mean, translating the website |
| 11:59.30 | anoob | do you think that a bug should be filled about my suggestion? |
| 11:59.53 | abrotman | anoob: you could also look at the wiki |
| 12:00.09 | abrotman | http://wiki.debian.org/HowToPackageForDebian |
| 12:00.34 | anoob | oh, i didn't know about that |
| 12:00.38 | anoob | thank you abrotman |
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| 12:01.18 | abrotman | anoob: that's a *very* simple guide .. it skips the intricate details that you would want to know later probably |
| 12:02.05 | abrotman | and #debian-mentors on OFTC might have other links |
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| 12:02.40 | anoob | thank you abrotman, xxtjaxx :D |
| 12:02.45 | shengyeo | Heyyas I've got a serial connection between two debian servers and i'm wondering if there is any nice way to test that the link is working? |
| 12:03.00 | shengyeo | i've run setserial so i know what tty's actually exist, but i'm not sure how to quickly test the link |
| 12:03.09 | shengyeo | is going to be using it for heartbeat, if thats any use |
| 12:03.18 | abrotman | so try using heartbeat? :) |
| 12:03.29 | shengyeo | abrotman, no easy way to test? |
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| 12:05.19 | luminoso | is there anyway to make aptitude/apt-get to download *.deb files using axel or something? |
| 12:05.32 | luminoso | single connection with my ISP is PITA |
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| 12:17.31 | abrotman | shengyeo: minicom perhaps |
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| 12:18.10 | shengyeo | minicom? |
| 12:18.35 | abrotman | it's a package |
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| 12:19.19 | karme | there is also picom |
| 12:19.21 | karme | picocom |
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| 12:19.35 | karme | and screen should work, too |
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| 12:19.59 | thewanderer1 | luminoso: afaik, new versions of apt-get (squeeze? sid?) download a few files simultanously |
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| 12:22.55 | varlon | hi, does exists text editor with column highlight? I want line and column hightlight of source of course with monotype font |
| 12:22.56 | f8l | thewanderer1: apt-get downloads multiple files at once if they are on different mirrors. |
| 12:23.33 | koollman | varlon: what would column highlight do ? |
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| 12:24.23 | varlon | just highlight across line and column where cursor now |
| 12:24.37 | varlon | like a current line |
| 12:25.32 | thewanderer1 | somehow thinks that vim could do that if you found a command for that... wink |
| 12:25.40 | varlon | it was in some old editors from DOS, but it was a long time ago and DOS has gone |
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| 12:26.38 | amphi | varlon: vim will do that, ctrl-v and navigation keys to highlight a block |
| 12:27.04 | thewanderer1 | well, I think varlon wanted to do that in edit mode, not in selection (visual) |
| 12:27.18 | varlon | amphi, I don't want highlight a block. I just want to see a current column like as current line |
| 12:27.38 | amphi | ah |
| 12:27.42 | thewanderer1 | http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Highlight_current_line |
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| 12:28.11 | thewanderer1 | the above link applies here |
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| 12:28.35 | LIST_I | Can someone give me the reasons I should switch to Debain over Ubuntu besides the obvious "status" increase? |
| 12:29.23 | frikinz | I have a script that needs to be run as user but only if network is already up. What's the best? an initscript with a su to user or a @reboot in cron that waits for network to settle? |
| 12:29.24 | babilen | !tell LIST_I about why debian |
| 12:29.27 | LIST_I | I'm not trolling here; I'm honestly wondering why people think Debian is better than Ubuntu. |
| 12:29.59 | LIST_I | babilen: That applies to Ubuntu, as well. I'm tempted by Debian solely because it brands me more "leet" |
| 12:30.09 | thewanderer1 | LIST_I: for me, it is _only_ the fact that I am free in Debian and I can choose how my system works, instead of having the inner workings of my system imposed on me |
| 12:30.09 | LIST_I | does it have any practical differences? |
| 12:30.12 | babilen | LIST_I: I don't think Debian is better than Ubuntu. It really depends on your wishes, needs and the way you are going to use your box |
| 12:30.17 | thewanderer1 | well, for an admin yes |
| 12:30.28 | thewanderer1 | for a user - _almost_ no practical differences |
| 12:30.35 | thewanderer1 | (some UI changes only) |
| 12:30.51 | LIST_I | Oh, I see. What do you mean by an "admin"? |
| 12:30.54 | frikinz | well, I did have some specific ubtuntu bugs on my laptop. |
| 12:30.58 | LIST_I | I mean, I administor my system |
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| 12:31.03 | thewanderer1 | frikinz: if-up.d or so |
| 12:31.08 | frikinz | no, amarok |
| 12:31.11 | LIST_I | administer* |
| 12:31.17 | babilen | LIST_I: Just try it. |
| 12:31.25 | jelly | LIST_I: someone who takes care of the system settings and makes sure it works well and supports the apps running on top of it |
| 12:31.26 | varlon | thewanderer1, thank you. I suspect that vim/emacs can do that. May be some body know non hotkey oriented editors? |
| 12:31.30 | LIST_I | babilen: I'm definitely tempted. |
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| 12:31.41 | LIST_I | What kind of knowledge will I need before I jump in? |
| 12:31.42 | varlon | LIST_I, I prefered debian because I know how to use them |
| 12:31.54 | LIST_I | varlon: Oh, okay. |
| 12:32.07 | varlon | Ubuntu have a little bit different in administration tools |
| 12:32.07 | babilen | LIST_I: Nobody stops you -- and you could try it on a virtual machine first |
| 12:32.13 | blip2 | LIST_I: it's easier for me to start with an empty install (not even sshd) and build it up as needed/required |
| 12:32.27 | soviet | debian vs ubuntu? |
| 12:32.32 | thewanderer1 | yeah |
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| 12:32.43 | blip2 | the less packages installed the less likely there are going to be venerabilities |
| 12:32.45 | ma3x | hello, im trying to compile 2.6.36 but i get stumbled upon compile error. does anybody have a solution to this http://codepad.org/m57BK3by |
| 12:32.48 | cast | LIST_I: i come at it from the other direction. i've been using debian since before ubuntu existed [or RHEL], so when thinking of what value ubuntu adds to me, well...its negative |
| 12:32.58 | LIST_I | cast: Ahh, I see |
| 12:33.04 | bolt-work | blip2: god i hate it when my system is venerable |
| 12:33.14 | LIST_I | blip2: Hmm, I see. So, I do some programming, some general application stuff (IRC, word proccessing, maybe some SSH, skype, etc); |
| 12:33.20 | blip2 | bolt-work: works aren't my forte |
| 12:33.25 | LIST_I | processing* |
| 12:33.26 | amphi | bolt-work: beyond the trailing edge ;) |
| 12:33.38 | babilen | LIST_I: All that works on Debian as well. |
| 12:33.42 | thewanderer1 | ma3x: try the kernel dev channels |
| 12:33.46 | LIST_I | Anyway, I'll probably switch over for the sole purpose of not being branded a "noob" |
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| 12:33.58 | blip2 | you do have to click less when installing ubuntu |
| 12:34.02 | blip2 | and wifi works easier :} |
| 12:34.08 | LIST_I | blip2: :) |
| 12:34.17 | LIST_I | Is it faster than Ubuntu? |
| 12:34.28 | blip2 | dependant on what you install on it |
| 12:34.32 | amphi | doesn't recall any clicking installing debian |
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| 12:34.41 | LIST_I | I don't like a few things Ubuntu does, such as not set a root password by default, and a few other security/speed quirks. |
| 12:34.44 | thewanderer1 | well, for me, it was lighter than Ubuntu with LXDE/XFCE/GNOME |
| 12:34.48 | ma3x | thewanderer1: which channels are those? |
| 12:34.49 | blip2 | amphi: enter presses then :P |
| 12:34.55 | thewanderer1 | ma3x: hmm. #kernel? :P |
| 12:35.08 | soviet | thewanderer1: and Awesome |
| 12:35.11 | ma3x | i already asked there, pretty much idle channel |
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| 12:35.22 | ma3x | there used to be #debian-devel |
| 12:35.27 | LIST_I | ma3x: Huh? |
| 12:35.33 | LIST_I | Oh. |
| 12:35.34 | LIST_I | Nevermind. |
| 12:35.35 | frikinz | thewanderer1: same here, debian was lighter than ubuntu on my very old laptop |
| 12:35.41 | thewanderer1 | ma3x: yeah, you have to wait much... try #linux too, but the #kernel guys know much |
| 12:36.04 | ma3x | ok .. thanks |
| 12:37.28 | frikinz | ma3x: did you read the makefile? |
| 12:37.42 | frikinz | # Missing headers? Add "-I../../include -I../../arch/x86/include" |
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| 12:38.57 | thewanderer1 | this is strange, why would anyone want to include x86 headers on any architecture other than x86... |
| 12:39.29 | thewanderer1 | to me it looks like insane config options, actually |
| 12:39.50 | frikinz | maybe it's only meant to be run on x86 |
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| 12:41.03 | frikinz | "Lguest is designed to be a minimal 32-bit x86 hypervisor for the Linux kernel" |
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| 12:48.40 | mirr0r | is there any way to let unionfs-fuse spread the files over the disks automatically ? |
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| 12:55.40 | Mr_Queue | I need a little help from some quick minds.. I don't have much time to be connected to the net. I am looking for how to get an ISO image to a USB stick to be bootable. I'm still searching myself, but my connection will be shut off here really soon.. |
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| 12:55.47 | jordanm | Dewi: hdds are cheaper than tape drives, but no where close to as cheap as tapes themselves, which are about $40/tb |
| 12:56.09 | joltcan | Mr_Queue: http://wiki.debian.org/BootUsb ? |
| 12:56.21 | jordanm | !tell Mr_Queue about usb instal |
| 12:56.26 | jordanm | !tell Mr_Queue about usb install |
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| 13:14.56 | tolland | hi all, has anyone seen a box hung at the console/ssh (responds to ping) with this on the console screen? |
| 13:15.00 | tolland | http://imgbin.org/index.php?page=image&id=2633 |
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| 13:15.39 | tolland | pretty much task:#pid blocked for 120 seconds, for all tasks |
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| 13:22.31 | jelly | tolland: it happens esp. with buggy drivers... which debian release, which kernel? |
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| 13:22.46 | acco | hi |
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| 13:23.26 | acco | stupid question but I got an website displayed when I enter http://192.168.0.128/ |
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| 13:23.54 | acco | on every pc I use, I havent routed something and its not my network |
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| 13:24.39 | tolland | jelly: squeeze with 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 13:24.42 | ondrejk | acco: can it be your router's page? |
| 13:24.47 | doolph | hello if I have a xeon quadcore 64bit what version should I download? |
| 13:24.55 | ondrejk | acco: pastebin ifconfig output |
| 13:25.35 | jelly | tolland: see if the kern.log has saved any data, and file bugs on linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 13:25.44 | doolph | hello? |
| 13:26.15 | ondrejk | doolph: you can download any version you want |
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| 13:26.30 | ondrejk | doolph: but id suggest you to try 64bit |
| 13:26.42 | ondrejk | doolph: if you're asking about architecture |
| 13:26.48 | doolph | which one is it |
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| 13:27.04 | ondrejk | amd64 |
| 13:27.05 | doolph | amd64 or IA64 |
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| 13:27.25 | doolph | xeon is intel |
| 13:27.28 | doolph | what is ia64 |
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| 13:28.14 | ondrejk | well, i dont have experiences with ia64 |
| 13:28.22 | themill | doolph: /msg dpkg ia64 ; /msg dpkg why amd64 |
| 13:28.25 | ondrejk | but maybe you can use even ia64 |
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| 13:34.34 | starenka__ | hi channel, i need to run baschript on server reboot (well, on server start), where's the best place to place it? |
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| 13:36.07 | SPF | starenka__: /msg dpkg init.d |
| 13:36.07 | dkr | starenka__: /etc/rc.local or /etc/init.d |
| 13:36.20 | starenka__ | thx |
| 13:36.54 | starenka__ | wow, thanks for the skeleton. i love debian |
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| 13:43.36 | djura-san | hai |
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| 13:49.36 | kaneda^ | back again, having ELILO issues now |
| 13:49.51 | thewanderer1 | yeah, it hates me too |
| 13:50.13 | kaneda^ | i'm running a system with UEFI (proper EFI), and i have ELILO running |
| 13:50.22 | kaneda^ | i get the prompt, i select my kernel, and then it reboots |
| 13:50.30 | helo | On this farm we have some servers, ELILO. |
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| 13:51.02 | kaneda^ | why would it be doing this? |
| 13:51.19 | kaneda^ | could my settings be incorrect in elilo.conf? or is this indicative of a different problem? |
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| 13:52.31 | thewanderer1 | do you see any text resembling kernel output? |
| 13:52.50 | kaneda^ | it happens so fast after selecting the kernel |
| 13:52.57 | kaneda^ | too fast for me to see if anything appears |
| 13:53.10 | thewanderer1 | well, I had something similar with GRUB... |
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| 13:53.26 | kaneda^ | i never got GRUB to work properly, always hanged before the prompt |
| 13:53.43 | thewanderer1 | for me, it was improper config |
| 13:54.19 | kaneda^ | the other thing is i only saw one kernel when i hit tab |
| 13:54.31 | kaneda^ | it should have 5 to select from |
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| 13:54.44 | thewanderer1 | then it's the config :P |
| 13:54.55 | kaneda^ | ok, i'll try to fix my config, bbiaf |
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| 13:55.32 | kaneda^ | i see that the boot option doesn't exist |
| 13:55.39 | kaneda^ | so that's probably an issue |
| 13:56.06 | kaneda^ | IBM systems take forever to reboot, i can sit here for a few minutes before I have to go down to the farm and select elilo |
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| 14:03.32 | kaneda^ | OK, so removing the invalid option i see all the kernels, only selecting them causes the system to reboot |
| 14:03.41 | kaneda^ | i don't see any output before this happens |
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| 14:04.38 | thewanderer1 | there was some entry about it... |
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| 14:04.53 | thewanderer1 | are you using the option for highmem or sth like that? there was a similarly-sounding option in the config |
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| 14:06.12 | kaneda^ | nah, the config is truly basic |
| 14:06.33 | thewanderer1 | so perhaps try adding that... |
| 14:06.43 | kaneda^ | i didn't see it in the confg options.. |
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| 14:08.44 | kaneda^ | what about path? i have /EFI/debian/foo for path right now |
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| 14:11.12 | kaneda^ | hmm, it seems like this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/408378 |
| 14:11.18 | kaneda^ | but that's for ubuntu karmic |
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| 14:13.12 | kaneda^ | i have a feeling it has something to do with the path to the kernel |
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| 14:13.30 | kaneda^ | given that in the bug report it has to do wtih "kernel not found" although i can't be sure that's what's happening here |
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| 14:13.41 | torpedotux | hi! i am using mongo db on a ramdisk and writing ~5mil rows to it VS. mongo db on ext4 and suprisingly ramdisk writes are slower. any idea why? |
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| 14:18.47 | iateadonut | i have an ndiswrapper installed and a driver installed (netusb : driver installeddevice (1915:2233) present); how do i get that device to show up as wlan1 (or wlan0)? |
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| 14:24.29 | iateadonut | lost connectivity - did anyone answer a question about ndiswrapper while i was gone? |
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| 14:25.06 | bogusjokes | I can create files, move them around and stuff, but I can't create directories |
| 14:25.16 | bogusjokes | it's possible that the hard drive is going bad |
| 14:25.32 | bogusjokes | but seems weird for me that everything else can be created except dirs |
| 14:25.35 | torpedotux | iateadonut: nah. everyone's busy eating donuts. |
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| 14:25.43 | bogusjokes | does anyone know why this is so? |
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| 14:30.49 | xand | bogusjokes: what happens when you try? |
| 14:32.07 | bogusjokes | I/O error |
| 14:32.27 | bogusjokes | mkdir: cannot create directory `yo': Input/output error |
| 14:32.34 | HackeMate | I'd love have a debian updated, backports is not a solution at all |
| 14:32.42 | HackeMate | should I jump to testing? |
| 14:33.16 | petemc | why is backports not a solution? |
| 14:34.09 | HackeMate | because if I use apt-get update or apt-get install <package> it downloads the stable version, even adding the Package: * and Pin: lines in apt/preferences |
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| 14:34.42 | HackeMate | also it does not keep the system updated, just force apt to search in backports a certain package |
| 14:35.00 | HackeMate | at least that is what i get trying to use it |
| 14:35.26 | kaneda^ | erm, so i managed to get the spitout by recording it with my phone |
| 14:36.20 | kaneda^ | when i select the kernel from the list i get "LocateHandle GopProtocol failed." |
| 14:36.37 | kaneda^ | a google search tells me it's an incompatability with efi 1.10, but we run efi 2.0, so i don't understand :| |
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| 14:40.44 | themill | HackeMate: sounds like you've not configured your pinning for backports properly in that case |
| 14:41.10 | HackeMate | well I can try it again then |
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| 14:42.02 | laust | hi everyone |
| 14:43.07 | kaneda^ | trying again |
| 14:43.20 | themill | HackeMate: "apt-get update" does not install packages. "apt-get install foo" should always pick the stable version unless you've already got foo from backports installed. When you want a package from backports, you should use "aptitude -t lenny-backports install foo" the first time and with the correct pinning it will then be kept up to date with "aptitude upgrade". |
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| 14:52.27 | rethus | is there a package for openssl > 0.9.8g for lenn< ? |
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| 14:53.52 | babilen | ,versions libssl0.9.8 |
| 14:53.54 | judd | Package libssl0.9.8 on i386 -- etch: 0.9.8c-4etch9; etch-security: 0.9.8c-4etch9; lenny: 0.9.8g-15+lenny8; lenny-security: 0.9.8g-15+lenny8; sid: 0.9.8o-2; squeeze: 0.9.8o-2 |
| 14:54.10 | babilen | !tell rethus -about ssb |
| 14:54.43 | babilen | rethus: I am, however, not sure how easy it is to backport that and even if it is advisable to do so. |
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| 14:57.33 | rethus | mhh, try to get gnutls with SNI to run |
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| 14:59.43 | nameless` | hi |
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| 14:59.50 | nameless` | is there any way we could use grep to recursively search for a pattern inside the directory ? |
| 14:59.54 | nameless` | grep -R "pattern" *.h for instance does not work as expected |
| 15:00.24 | frikinz | I'm trying to clone a debian to an external harddisk partition. I formated it, extracted my tar.gz into this, changed the uuid in menu.lst kopt, then bind mounted dev and proc, chrooted in it, grub-install, update-grub. And now it does not boot. I think I'm in stage1 of grub. error: file not found , Etnering rescue mode. ls (hd0,1) gives me "bad filename". Any idea what I miss or another way to do this? |
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| 15:00.56 | torpedotux | nameless`: --include="*.h" *.* |
| 15:01.04 | torpedotux | outta here. have fun. |
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| 15:02.42 | babilen | rethus: What kind of machine are we talking about? It might be an option to upgrade to Squeeze, but you could try the ssb first anyway. |
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| 15:05.30 | nameless` | is anyone could explain me what is the purpose of a watchdog ? |
| 15:05.33 | nameless` | i don't get it |
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| 15:06.03 | subsume | what time does cron.daily run? |
| 15:06.19 | frikinz | nameless`: a hardware device that resets the cpu if some software is not toggling a flag |
| 15:06.25 | _KaszpiR_ | 4am AFAIR |
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| 15:06.29 | chrisw1 | hey guys, what option can I pass to ls -R to give back the full path to the files returned rather than just the filename? |
| 15:06.35 | subsume | thanks Kas |
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| 15:06.47 | nameless` | frikinz: it can be a software ? |
| 15:07.00 | frikinz | nameless`: in other words, if software dies, it will not refresh the watchdog and the watchdog will reset everything |
| 15:07.06 | nameless` | frikinz: i mean can it be soft instead of a hardware |
| 15:07.08 | frikinz | nameless`: no, software is unsafe :) |
| 15:07.36 | frikinz | nameless`: what if the watchdog software crashes? |
| 15:07.49 | nameless` | i get it |
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| 15:07.56 | armenb | sometimes when I install a package, I get a list of "suggested packages" to install. is there a way to get this suggested package list after the package I wanted was installed? |
| 15:07.59 | armenb | i.e. I don't want to remove the package and try reinstalling it just to get the suggested package list |
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| 15:08.50 | andrewnemeth | hello everybody |
| 15:09.24 | andrewnemeth | Im trying to setup a new system with debootstrap which goes pretty fine however how can I specify what parttiotioning scheme do I want? |
| 15:09.45 | abchirk | in /etc/fstab andrewnemeth |
| 15:10.02 | abchirk | if you mean the locations where to mount? |
| 15:10.09 | nameless` | frikinz: from your experience, what does the watchdog reset ? the whole program (for instance i'm programing a sensor node, do you think it will reset the whole system ?) |
| 15:10.11 | andrewnemeth | so I should just modify fstab and debootstrao will handle the rest? |
| 15:10.20 | andrewnemeth | no |
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| 15:11.16 | andrewnemeth | abchirk: I mean how can I specify what paritions I want to have? for example I want to make my root partition to 500gb and boot partition to 2gb |
| 15:11.23 | frikinz | nameless`: the ones I know monitor a software running in a cpu. if it is not refreshed, it asserts the cpu pin of the processor |
| 15:11.29 | abchirk | ah, cfdisk or fdisk |
| 15:11.45 | abchirk | or other partition tools |
| 15:11.49 | andrewnemeth | hm |
| 15:12.01 | frikinz | nameless`: your system has a watchdog? |
| 15:12.14 | nameless` | frikinz: yes |
| 15:12.22 | nameless` | frikinz: and that's what i'm trying to understand :) |
| 15:12.59 | abchirk | andrewnemeth, I guess there is gparted with a gui for partitioning |
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| 15:13.20 | andrewnemeth | abchirk: let me see what I find |
| 15:13.37 | abchirk | Or use the partition tool from your OS |
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| 15:14.31 | frikinz | nameless`: try ? On the hardware I use now, I had to enable it in the bios, set the delay long enough before the kernel module wdt is loaded. when this module is loaded, it's ok. When I set a too short timeout, linux does not have time to boot and is hard-reseted=> boot loop. That's the purpose, if the linux is defective, it should not do anything stupid, so kill it. |
| 15:14.39 | kaneda^ | elilo is driving me nuts |
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| 15:14.51 | kaneda^ | this error only seems to be associated with EFI 1.10, not UEFI |
| 15:15.32 | kaneda^ | and yet i still receive it |
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| 15:19.22 | nameless` | frikinz: i see the point :) thank you for you help |
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| 15:19.26 | nameless` | your* |
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| 15:22.30 | kaneda^ | frikinz, i get a boot loop when i select the kernel from the list |
| 15:22.35 | kaneda^ | :| |
| 15:22.51 | kaneda^ | i have to assume it's something wrong with my configuration |
| 15:23.25 | jhutchins_lt | kaneda^: I was able to get legacy grub to boot on an intel mac mini. |
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| 15:26.25 | kaneda^ | jhutchins_lt, this is proper EFI, UEFI, i.e. v. 2.0 |
| 15:26.46 | kaneda^ | when i couldn't get grub to work i moved to elilo, which provides me with a prompt and lists the kernels i want |
| 15:26.50 | kaneda^ | but reboots as soon as i select one |
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| 15:35.51 | jhutchins_lt | Gotta love the bleeding edge. |
| 15:36.28 | themill | jhutchins_lt: now just put down the knife and maybe we can talk things through for a bit… |
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| 15:42.42 | kaneda^ | >_< |
| 15:42.44 | kaneda^ | auto reboot again |
| 15:42.55 | kaneda^ | is anyone here really familiar with lilo? |
| 15:43.50 | kaneda^ | well don't all shout at once ;p |
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| 15:46.35 | kaneda^ | anyone? |
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| 15:47.46 | jhutchins_lt | kaneda^: Not much help troubleshooting lilo, for me it always just worked. |
| 15:47.49 | kvm | \j #ubuntu |
| 15:47.59 | jhutchins_lt | kvm: Other slash. |
| 15:48.11 | kvm | sry |
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| 15:49.49 | kaneda^ | jhutchins_lt, it's making me irate :| |
| 15:49.57 | kaneda^ | slaps elilo around a bit with a large trout |
| 15:49.57 | Zyferus | slaps kaneda^ around a bit with a large elilo |
| 15:49.57 | Zyferus | See how you like it, kaneda^ |
| 15:50.02 | kaneda^ | :D |
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| 15:50.08 | kaneda^ | slaps elilo around a bit with a large trout |
| 15:50.08 | Zyferus | slaps kaneda^ around a bit with a large elilo |
| 15:50.08 | Zyferus | See how you like it, kaneda^ |
| 15:50.12 | kaneda^ | just checking |
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| 15:50.22 | kaneda^ | slaps elilo around a bit with a large Zyferus |
| 15:51.06 | kaneda^ | jhutchins_lt, i have a rather minimal conf, so i think i may need to reinstall elilo or compile it myself |
| 15:51.24 | kaneda^ | i didn't get half this far in grub |
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| 15:54.54 | frikinz | I'm personnaly on a grub file not found. Anyone know how to install a debian on an external harddrive especially having it bootable.. ? |
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| 15:58.50 | rethus | what is the dpkg command to check a version of a installed package? |
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| 15:59.57 | dkr | dpkg -l will show you |
| 15:59.57 | dpkg | ii will show you 1.2-4.3 dkr's private stamp collection |
| 15:59.58 | peterrooney | rethus: -l |
| 16:00.05 | rethus | great, thanks. |
| 16:00.18 | rethus | so now i have recompile openssl with newest version. |
| 16:00.24 | yang | dpkg -l |grep <package_name> |
| 16:00.24 | dpkg | No packages found matching |grep <package_name> |
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| 16:01.02 | rethus | can i do restart openssl on my server, so the actual config will be used? |
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| 16:02.54 | dkr | rethus: /etc/init.d/ssh reload |
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| 16:03.24 | dkr | or not. I misread as openssh |
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| 16:04.04 | rethus | dkr: but after my recompilation, all configfiles are set like before? of have i first du adjust them again? |
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| 16:04.31 | mark22 | rethus: for what do you use openssl if I may ask? |
| 16:04.58 | rethus | on my server for ssl-certification (apache - ssl and so on) |
| 16:04.59 | jhutchins_lt | frikinz: The ones I know work don't use a conventional boot, they use busybox - the installer and live CD's being the examples I can cite. |
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| 16:05.35 | jhutchins_lt | frikinz: One problem can be that the USB interface requires a driver which may not be found in the initramfs. |
| 16:05.39 | mark22 | restarting apache (and other things using ssl certs) should be enough if I'm correct |
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| 16:05.51 | rethus | ok |
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| 16:07.03 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions openssl |
| 16:07.05 | judd | Package openssl on i386 -- etch: 0.9.8c-4etch9; etch-security: 0.9.8c-4etch9; lenny: 0.9.8g-15+lenny8; lenny-security: 0.9.8g-15+lenny8; sid: 0.9.8o-2; squeeze: 0.9.8o-2 |
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| 16:09.45 | frikinz | jhutchins_lt: In fact I get a file not found then dropped to a grub rescue mode, I can ls / and I see my files. But my host system is a amd64 with grub2 and I try to install to an ext. disks x86 with grub legacy. |
| 16:09.48 | rethus | whats are .udeb for kind of files? |
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| 16:11.15 | sun | hi im trying to install the ion3 package, i have 2 testing machines, but i can only see the package on one of them.. when i google it, it seems the package is in stable. does that mean that a testing machine will or will not see it? |
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| 16:13.31 | dkr | judd: versions ion3 |
| 16:13.32 | judd | Package ion3 on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 20080825-1 |
| 16:14.35 | dkr | sun: so it's not in testing. maybe it was installed prior to an upgrade on the one that sees it |
| 16:15.08 | sun | dkr ah. is there any way i can get it to install on the other one? |
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| 16:15.26 | dkr | !archive |
| 16:15.26 | dpkg | it has been said that archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For the package archive, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
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| 16:16.14 | dkr | hrm, thought that had advice on installing files from older repos. but that's for oldstable. nto installing stable package on testing |
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| 16:16.32 | Dennis__342 | people, does anyone know some kind of pdf to speech aka text 2 speech ? looking for something for ebooks in pdf. sry about my bad english |
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| 16:17.10 | dkr | dpkg: give us the factoid that talks about installing packages from multiple releases |
| 16:17.10 | dpkg | gives us the factoid that talks about installing packages from multiple releases |
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| 16:18.21 | dkr | Dennis__342: you can do "strings foo.pdf" to get text sometimes. it depends on the way the pdf was made, though. sometimes the words are actually images |
| 16:18.33 | sun | dkr i just copied the line in my sources.list and changed "testing" to "stable" and now it installs! |
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| 16:18.48 | peterrooney | dkr: /msg dpkg listkeys factoid |
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| 16:20.40 | dkr | peterrooney: I was more hinting at someone else possibly knowing what it is since my search failed. :) |
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| 16:22.55 | jhutchins_lt | Dennis__342: What text-to-speech utilities do you have so far? |
| 16:23.39 | Dennis__342 | none, that i would use |
| 16:24.32 | Dennis__342 | most of them sounds bad . |
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| 16:25.00 | Dennis__342 | any suggestion ? |
| 16:25.18 | jhutchins_lt | Dennis__342: pdf2txt <file> | festival |
| 16:25.43 | jhutchins_lt | As of four years ago festival could not read pdf's directly, it may be able to now. |
| 16:25.56 | jhutchins_lt | festival is the gold standard of speech synthesis. |
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| 16:26.43 | Dennis__342 | ok, ty I will give it a try. |
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| 16:28.12 | jhutchins_lt | you might need to append -tts |
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| 16:32.51 | kassah | I'm trying to install openjdk without installing x11-common... I've tried `apt-get install -o APT::Install-Recommends=false openjdk-6-jre-headless` but that wants to install just about everything under the sun |
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| 16:34.11 | jhutchins_lt | Dennis__342: I've noticed in poking around at the configuration for KDE4 that there appear to be settings for speaking output in a lot of the menus. |
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| 16:36.59 | kassah | oh I see... openjdk-6-jre-headless depends on libaccess-bridge-java which depends on default-java... which depends on the full version of openjdk-6-jre |
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| 16:37.19 | rethus | is squeeze stable now ? |
| 16:37.37 | kassah | rethus, just feature frozen |
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| 16:37.46 | rethus | k, thanks |
| 16:37.51 | dav1d | Hello |
| 16:37.53 | kassah | rethus, which means it should be sometime soon... but not quite yet =) |
| 16:38.43 | dav1d | I installed samba an my NAS (2.6.32-5-kirkwood) now I tried to create a "samba user" with smbpasswd, but this command doesnt exist any ideas? |
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| 16:40.45 | sun | hi i have a script which contains some iptables commands that id like to have run before the machine goes on the netwrok. i used to just call it from /etc/network/interfaces and it would work, but i found that that no longer seems to work. i know that with network-manager and wicd you put the pre-up script elsewhere, but neither of those are running either... where should i call the pre-up script? |
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| 16:43.14 | evilbulg1rian | hi, is there some way to setup debian install to forward mail to an smtp server not on the box with a small package so i dont have to install postfix / exim |
| 16:44.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | duh, just thought today it's getting worse.. upgraded squeeze kernel and xorg and glx was broken... |
| 16:44.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems some packages followed that fixed it or ...? |
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| 16:48.25 | kassah | there is no webform way of submitting a bug on a debian package? |
| 16:49.26 | arosen | dav1d: do you have samba installeD? |
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| 16:50.38 | thewanderer1 | how troublesome is it nowadays to just play a Blu-Ray movie in Debian? |
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| 16:52.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | kassah, only email via the program reportbug |
| 16:53.29 | dav1d | arosen: yes |
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| 16:54.16 | arosen | it should be in /usr/bin/ perhaps a $PATH issue? |
| 16:54.21 | dav1d | arosen: I created a user "samba" added this user to group samba and sambashare and created a section in the smb.conf |
| 16:54.33 | dav1d | arosen: no there's just a mksmbpasswd file |
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| 16:57.19 | dav1d | thats really strange |
| 16:57.40 | kindaof | hello everyone, i haven't set up a debian system for a while, that's why i can't really remember how to install Macromedia/Adobe flash player plugin (nonfree) - could you please help my, i'm sure that you're all quite familiar with that topic...? |
| 16:57.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | !adobe flash |
| 16:57.50 | dpkg | Adobe Flash Player is <non-free>. The easiest way to install it is with the flashplayer-mozilla package from debian-multimedia.org; there is also a flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package available for squeeze and lenny-backports. Ask me about <dmm> <bdo> <non-free>. WARNING: installing flashplugin-nonfree will NOT automatically keep the plugin updated. See also <flash amd64>. http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 16:57.55 | kindaof | as far as i can remeber, it is in multimedia... |
| 16:58.28 | dav1d | :( |
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| 16:58.55 | dav1d | with my arch everything works, but why not with debian |
| 16:59.21 | kassah | CutMeOwnThroat, oh man of all answers... is there some kind of rational about changing the default on apt-get to install suggests? |
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| 16:59.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | kassah, it's not... only recommends |
| 17:00.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I thought only aptitude installs recommends |
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| 17:00.33 | kassah | CutMeOwnThroat, is there a way to change the default... everything I add to /etc/apt.conf.d/ it seems to ignore |
| 17:00.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you can switch it off in the configuration |
| 17:00.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | !recommends |
| 17:00.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | sht |
| 17:00.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | !recommend |
| 17:01.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | aww, that's an internal command of the bot... always confuses me |
| 17:01.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | !apt-recommend |
| 17:01.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | !apt-recommends |
| 17:01.30 | dpkg | APT installs recommended packages by default since Lenny. To disable once, "aptitude -R install packagename" or "apt-get --no-install-recommends install packagename". To disable permanently, echo "APT::Install-Recommends no;" > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/no-recommends. By not installing "recommended" packages, you will miss the standard functionality they provide. Squeeze's <D-I> installs recommended packages by default. See <why recommends> |
| 17:01.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | *sigh* |
| 17:02.55 | kassah | okay... I'll try that =) |
| 17:03.29 | thewanderer1 | anyone actually played a Blu-Ray disc movie on Debian? is that possible? |
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| 17:04.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | never even seen a blue-ray outside the tv monitor |
| 17:04.31 | kassah | CutMeOwnThroat, huh... well that seems to have worked.. thanks! =) |
| 17:04.32 | thewanderer1 | dpkg only tells me about some ubuntu website... |
| 17:04.32 | dpkg | thewanderer1: no idea |
| 17:05.19 | psiklops | Hi. I installed Squeeze ($ unname -r 2.6.32-5-686) last night, + alsa-* but still i have no sound : $ dmesg -> http://pastebin.com/mAwh9jHs $ lspci -> http://pastebin.com/UTDjg93j # alsactl -l -> http://pastebin.com/48326SSw $ lsmod -> http://pastebin.com/2E0RfYMs |
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| 17:05.24 | kassah | hasn't seen a blueray movie on a TV monitor... |
| 17:05.26 | dav1d | !samba |
| 17:05.26 | dpkg | Samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file/print sharing (the SMB/CIFS protocol). Documentation resources: http://samba.org/samba/docs/ , http://wiki.samba.org/ . Backported packages for Lenny are available, ask me about <bdo>. http://samba.org/samba/docs/FAQ/ http://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Category:Category_FAQ http://samba.org/ #samba on irc.freenode.net. See also <swat>. |
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| 17:06.21 | teclo- | Hi I've got a bunch of .flac files to convert to mp3, what is the easiest/fastest way ? |
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| 17:07.40 | psiklops | teclo- maybe ffmpeg ? |
| 17:07.47 | dav1d | mencoder <3 |
| 17:07.58 | teclo- | psiklops: thank you |
| 17:08.18 | teclo- | hm yeah mencoder too |
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| 17:09.15 | elenril | wouldn't trust mencoder with muxing |
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| 17:13.49 | teclo- | Hm mencoder complains: Video stream is mandatory! |
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| 17:14.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | sigh... and just found out that alsa's not muting the speakers when you plug in the headphones because... wait for it... the chipset's used in a desktop and desktop don't have headphones but line-out |
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| 17:17.02 | nobarking | in debian does ekiga depend on evolution? |
| 17:17.40 | somiaj | nobarking: aptitude show ekiga |
| 17:17.57 | thewanderer1 | ,depends ekiga |
| 17:17.59 | judd | Package ekiga -- depends: libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.18), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.20.0), libaudiofile0 (>= 0.2.3-4), libavahi-client3 (>= 0.6.16), libavahi-common3 (>= 0.6.16), libavahi-glib1 (>= 0.6.16), libbonobo2-0 (>= 2.15.0), libbonoboui2-0 (>= 2.15.1), libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libebook1.2-9 (>= 2.22.3), libedataserver1.2-9 (>= 2.22.3), libesd0 (>= 0.2.35) | libesd-alsa0 (>= 0.2.35), libgcc1 (>= |
| 17:18.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, but on evolution-data-server |
| 17:18.00 | judd | 1:4.1.1), libgconf2-4 (>= 2.13.5), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.16.0), libgnome2-0 (>= 2.17.3), libgnomecanvas2-0 (>= 2.11.1), libgnomeui-0 (>= 2.17.1), libgnomevfs2-0 (>= 1:2.17.90), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libice6 (>= 1:1.0.0), libopal-2.2 (>= 2.2.11~) | libopal-2.2-develop (>= 2.2.11~), liborbit2 (>= 1:2.14.10), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.20.3), libpopt0 (>= 1.14), libpt-1.10.10 (>= 1.10.10~), libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1), (1 more message) |
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| 17:18.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | in squeeze, that is |
| 17:18.39 | thewanderer1 | ,more |
| 17:18.40 | judd | libsm6 |
| 17:19.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, and on lenny, too... |
| 17:19.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it has to, because that's keeping the contact database |
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| 17:32.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually I see pretty much different dependencies for i386 from what judd just showed |
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| 17:34.59 | inc0 | hello |
| 17:35.26 | inc0 | I have problem...another one:P Thing is- sound isnt working in system, youtube thou works well |
| 17:35.51 | inc0 | amarok and other media players are silent |
| 17:35.58 | inc0 | I'm using new KDE and squeeze |
| 17:36.34 | inc0 | bzed, btw I followed your advice and installed squeeze;) its good to see graphics again |
| 17:36.41 | inc0 | tyvm |
| 17:36.45 | bzed | ice799: cool :) you're welcome |
| 17:37.11 | tarzeau | my numeric keys don't work anymore. i can't play nethack! |
| 17:37.13 | bzed | inc0: just make sure you keep it upgraded once a while, or at least run apt-get update and upgrade as soon as it is released |
| 17:37.41 | bzed | inc0: as it is not stable yet, you might run into minor issues, but that should be a rare case these days |
| 17:37.42 | inc0 | I'm kinda used to keep my system updated so I will have it for sure |
| 17:37.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | inc0, close the browser with flash and try again |
| 17:38.02 | inc0 | well stable release didnt let me use graphical interface |
| 17:38.28 | bzed | inc0: I mean: squeeze will become stable at one point, hopefully not too far in the future |
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| 17:38.36 | inc0 | CutMeOwnThroat, wqorked....but that means I wont be able to play music and flash at once? |
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| 17:38.52 | bzed | inc0: did you install alsa? |
| 17:38.53 | inc0 | at same time** |
| 17:39.06 | bzed | inc0: (but I guess so...) |
| 17:39.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | inc0, run the browser with aoss firefox or whatever it is you use |
| 17:39.18 | bzed | inc0: your music player should use it.. |
| 17:39.48 | inc0 | well didnt install it manually, I forgot abuout it... |
| 17:40.02 | inc0 | phonon is using xine thou |
| 17:40.10 | syslq | I have statically compiled iperf on x86, I get the following error on other x86 system: -sh: ./iperf: cannot execute binary file, ldd tells me it's statically compiled, permissions are 755 |
| 17:40.14 | syslq | Any ideas? |
| 17:40.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought that should be obsolete with current alsa etc. in squeeze... |
| 17:40.54 | inc0 | it is |
| 17:40.57 | thewanderer1 | syslq: glibc mismatch, probably |
| 17:41.07 | syslq | thewanderer1: what can I do? |
| 17:41.10 | inc0 | so its not lack of alsa |
| 17:41.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell inc0 -about dmix |
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| 17:41.49 | thewanderer1 | syslq: are you trying to run something compiled for glibc 2.6 on glibc 2.5 ? |
| 17:41.54 | thewanderer1 | (or vice versa) |
| 17:41.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | inc0, check if you're really using alsa... |
| 17:42.09 | syslq | thewanderer1: yes |
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| 17:42.29 | thewanderer1 | syslq: then it will not work, those two are not compatible. you'll have to compile using the proper version. |
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| 17:43.02 | syslq | thewanderer1: dumb question, but I can have both glibc versions installed and tell explicitly which one to use? |
| 17:43.14 | syslq | thewanderer1: I'll google it but just tell me if that's possible |
| 17:44.05 | thewanderer1 | syslq: I have not really seen any such setup and I highly doubt that - a chroot, if any... |
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| 17:44.09 | inc0 | hmm...I belive I dont. |
| 17:44.15 | inc0 | which is disturbing |
| 17:44.16 | syslq | thewanderer1: thanks |
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| 17:47.21 | inc0 | also, I dont have 3d acceleration....my beloved fglrx once again |
| 17:48.19 | thewanderer1 | finally decides to settle for NVIDIA in his recent purchases |
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| 17:49.11 | jony | how can I start Nautilus or Konqueror as root |
| 17:49.33 | simonrvn | why would you do such a thing? |
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| 17:50.30 | n00ch | howdy gang |
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| 17:51.48 | babilen | n00ch: hi there |
| 17:52.55 | NickyP | I am on Linux debianhp 2.6.32-5-amd64 squeeze with an hpe-337 c-b and a 5335u keyboard. the number pad doesn't respond and the cannot get to a terminal via f2, f3 etc. Any info available? |
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| 17:53.36 | NickyP | googled and searched the debian forums |
| 17:54.04 | NickyP | gnome window manager |
| 17:55.39 | NickyP | clearer it is the number keypad |
| 17:55.51 | thewanderer1 | so the normal keys work as usual? |
| 17:55.59 | NickyP | that doesn't respond |
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| 18:06.56 | Isaick | I'm working on creating a custom packages and I need access to one of the files I'm placing in the .deb however postinst doesn't seem to have access to the files... Is there a way to access the files through postinst or another way? |
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| 18:11.35 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
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| 18:12.16 | n00ch | wildc4rd: afternoon |
| 18:14.23 | KB1JWQ | Morning. |
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| 18:19.00 | jhutchins_lt | KB1JWQ: QSL? |
| 18:19.13 | TiMiDo | hey there i have a question. i have a compaq presario cq60 and everything works fine. I'm using amd64 iso. but I'm having one problem with my wireless. connection the light is blue. which mean the device is ready to be used. and when i try using it. i'm having this error SIOCSIFFLAGS: Unknown error 132 |
| 18:19.33 | jhutchins_lt | !wifi |
| 18:19.33 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>, <brcm80211>, <wl>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <iwlwifi>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 18:20.33 | TiMiDo | jhutchins, congrats on using the bot ;> |
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| 18:20.58 | bAndie9100 | hi |
| 18:21.12 | jhutchins_lt | TiMiDo: We use the bot to avoid retyping the same information over and over again. |
| 18:21.17 | bAndie9100 | i got some trouble with SD card |
| 18:21.28 | bAndie9100 | kernel log following: http://pastebin.com/srW0sZAp |
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| 18:21.37 | jhutchins_lt | TiMiDo: Figure out your chipset and follow the instructions that are pertinent and ask again if you have more problems. |
| 18:21.43 | bAndie9100 | cant read from drive |
| 18:22.51 | TiMiDo | jhutchins_lt, is ath5k |
| 18:22.54 | TiMiDo | the driver. |
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| 18:23.02 | jhutchins_lt | bAndie9100: Your system appears to be seeing it as a bad drive. |
| 18:23.55 | bAndie9100 | jhutchins_lt, yes and neither see partitions |
| 18:24.14 | TiMiDo | wlan0 IEEE 802.11bg ESSID:"debian" |
| 18:24.14 | TiMiDo | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:24.16 | TiMiDo | there it is. |
| 18:24.53 | jhutchins_lt | bAndie9100: With that level of errors it's not going to be accessible to higher-level programs like fdisk, so possibly make sure you have the right driver for the reader, but also see if you can read the card in another device. |
| 18:25.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | and "Tx-Power=off" sounds good to you? |
| 18:27.26 | bAndie9100 | jhutchins_lt, my digital camera reads it very well |
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| 18:27.58 | bAndie9100 | by my only usb card reader does not |
| 18:28.23 | bAndie9100 | for a week |
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| 18:29.08 | TiMiDo | how come everytime i do ifconfig wlan0 up i get this error SIOCSIFFLAGS: Unknown error 132 |
| 18:29.21 | dokma_ | what would create initrd.img-2.6.26-1-686.bak in /boot ?? |
| 18:29.57 | simonrvn | update-initramfs !! |
| 18:30.15 | dokma | simonrvn, do you know if it is safe to delete the baks?? |
| 18:30.42 | simonrvn | it'll complain. you can turn the creation of them off. |
| 18:30.52 | jelly-home | dokma: if your system is bootable right now, sure |
| 18:31.10 | jelly-home | 2.6.26-1-686 is too old anyway |
| 18:31.24 | dokma | jelly yes... it's bootable but I would hate very much to make it unbootable cause it's a dedicated server with a bunch of client sites on it |
| 18:31.42 | simonrvn | leave them be then |
| 18:31.44 | dokma | jelly-home, isn't 2.6.26 current in stable? |
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| 18:32.52 | inc0 | http://pastebin.ca/1970209 <- when trying to compile fglrx |
| 18:32.59 | inc0 | any clue what is happening |
| 18:33.00 | inc0 | ? |
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| 18:33.27 | jelly-home | dokma: yes, but the current one's uname -r is "2.6.26-2-686" |
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| 18:33.36 | jelly-home | ,kernels |
| 18:33.38 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.36-rc6-686 (2.6.36~rc6-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-26); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-25); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-23~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-25lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
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| 18:33.56 | dokma | aaaa... I see |
| 18:34.03 | dokma | thanks! |
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| 18:34.24 | jelly-home | !tell dokma about kernel abi |
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| 18:34.40 | thewanderer1 | inc0: /usr/X11R6 - does this ring a bell? |
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| 18:35.27 | peterrooney | is there a program that can download email over a terminal connection? |
| 18:35.39 | inc0 | well directory I dont have- I belive X stuff should be there |
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| 18:36.05 | thewanderer1 | inc0: do you really have X11R6 or is it X11R7 there? |
| 18:36.07 | jelly-home | peterrooney: getmail, fetchmail, offlineimap, imapsync, various terminal-based mail clients like mutt, alpine... |
| 18:36.34 | inc0 | thewanderer1, I have none |
| 18:36.46 | inc0 | nothing from X11 in /usr/ |
| 18:36.46 | thewanderer1 | inc0: you're not gonna compile an X driver without X... |
| 18:36.58 | inc0 | I have X. |
| 18:37.04 | thewanderer1 | alright, what version of? |
| 18:37.26 | valdyn | peterrooney: you dont *really* want to download email over a terminal connection |
| 18:38.03 | inc0 | hold on |
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| 18:38.34 | valdyn | !uucp |
| 18:38.35 | dpkg | it has been said that uucp is the Unix to Unix Copy Protocol, used for mail over non-permanent dialup links. A formerly widely used protocol that has been pretty much obsolesced in the face of public Internet. |
| 18:38.36 | bAndie9100 | peterrooney, try `mutt` or text-based browsers like w3m, elinks |
| 18:38.39 | peterrooney | valdyn: so true, but choices may be limited. dial-up provider. |
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| 18:39.00 | valdyn | peterrooney: that doesnt mean that you cannot tcp/ip over dialup |
| 18:39.10 | inc0 | http://pastebin.ca/1970218 <Xorg version |
| 18:39.11 | peterrooney | and a text-only account, not ppp account |
| 18:39.23 | valdyn | geez |
| 18:39.30 | valdyn | peterrooney: uucp then |
| 18:39.45 | jelly-home | peterrooney: slirp! |
| 18:39.50 | valdyn | peterrooney: but this does not make sense |
| 18:39.56 | valdyn | peterrooney: not in 2010 |
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| 18:40.29 | peterrooney | you're so right it doesn't make sense. imagine it's 1990 with me. |
| 18:40.33 | jelly-home | Description: SLIP/PPP emulator using a dial up shell account |
| 18:40.34 | jelly-home | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:40.34 | jelly-home | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:40.47 | thewanderer1 | inc0: alright, then you should get a version of fglrx that's compatible with X11R7... and why aren't you using module-assistant instead of this fugly blob, actually? |
| 18:40.55 | peterrooney | so this -has- been heard of... |
| 18:40.58 | jelly-home | peterrooney: that's what I sometimes used in 90s |
| 18:40.59 | valdyn | peterrooney: do you get a shell account? is this a 90ies mailbox? |
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| 18:41.28 | valdyn | peterrooney: "text account" is an almost useless description |
| 18:41.29 | jelly-home | peterrooney: if you have a working compiler on your telnet-accessed machine, you may try to use it |
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| 18:41.40 | peterrooney | valdyn: yep. pine, of all things. |
| 18:41.45 | inc0 | thewanderer1, well this fugly blob is official driver, so newest one |
| 18:42.01 | inc0 | also I have problems with compiling fglrx |
| 18:42.11 | jelly-home | peterrooney: how are you connecting to that machine? |
| 18:42.16 | thewanderer1 | inc0: sure, but it does not work so great with Debian, so no point unless you really have the best and the newest card out there... |
| 18:42.29 | thewanderer1 | in any case, you will need xserver-xorg-dev or so |
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| 18:43.08 | valdyn | peterrooney: all depends on what programs you can run there |
| 18:43.19 | valdyn | peterrooney: zmodem? uucp? |
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| 18:46.04 | TiMiDo | can someone help me with my wifi error please? |
| 18:46.07 | TiMiDo | how come everytime i do ifconfig wlan0 up i get this error SIOCSIFFLAGS: Unknown error 132 |
| 18:46.09 | peterrooney | slirp looks promising. the default shell is rather limited - lynx, pine, but I can test out my sweet-talking skills with the administrators |
| 18:47.23 | TiMiDo | here is my dmesg output http://pastebin.ca/1970225 |
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| 18:48.23 | valdyn | TiMiDo: you cannot "up" that interface before it is associated to an access point |
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| 18:48.46 | tharkun | Why is nginx package on version 0.7.67-3 on sid when the 0.7.67 version is legacy according to #nginx channel? |
| 18:48.49 | TiMiDo | valdyn, hmmm |
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| 18:48.56 | TiMiDo | how can i fix the error valdyn |
| 18:48.59 | TiMiDo | of my wireless? |
| 18:49.16 | valdyn | !wifi |
| 18:49.16 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>, <brcm80211>, <wl>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <iwlwifi>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 18:49.18 | TiMiDo | I've been searching and searching and still haven't found out. any answers in google |
| 18:50.09 | valdyn | tharkun: there does not need to be a particular reason why |
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| 18:50.40 | valdyn | tharkun: maybe the maintainer is on vacation, or he's lazy or busy or whatever |
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| 18:50.59 | tharkun | valdyn: or he silently dropped the package |
| 18:51.08 | jelly-home | tharkun: so file a wishlist bug for a new version with features you'd like to have that are already available upstream |
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| 18:51.35 | jelly-home | tharkun: wine is still at 2008 vintage 1.0.1 |
| 18:51.38 | tharkun | jelly-home: Thx for the idea. But i am mostly interested in security features |
| 18:51.47 | TiMiDo | valdyn, look at this http://pastebin.ca/1970228 |
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| 18:51.52 | jelly-home | tharkun: why is that a "but"? |
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| 18:52.19 | valdyn | TiMiDo: why you showing me this? |
| 18:52.32 | jelly-home | tharkun: you can try adapting the package for the new version yourself, /msg dpkg uupdate |
| 18:52.48 | tharkun | jelly-home: thx |
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| 18:52.59 | stew | tharkun: perhaps they are not uploading a new version because of the freeze |
| 18:53.14 | stew | tharkun: and the version in unstable is the one expected to be released with squeeaze |
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| 18:53.19 | jelly-home | which is why it's nice to file a wishlist bug and see what happens |
| 18:53.34 | stew | looking at the maintainer list, i see people that are certainly active |
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| 18:53.51 | tharkun | is ashamed of not knowing how to file a bug of any kind |
| 18:53.51 | valdyn | 0.8.30 is from 2009 |
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| 18:54.09 | jelly-home | !reportbug |
| 18:54.09 | dpkg | used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/, or see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
| 18:54.10 | valdyn | ah weird |
| 18:54.27 | valdyn | latest stable seems to be to new for squeeze anyway |
| 18:54.31 | Xanbreon | Why is wine so dam old btw? |
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| 18:54.51 | TiMiDo | damn this freaking crap |
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| 18:54.54 | TiMiDo | is pissing me off |
| 18:54.57 | TiMiDo | dumb wireless |
| 18:55.20 | valdyn | TiMiDo: why dont you associate to an access point? |
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| 18:55.28 | akkad | http://linbsd.org/apt |
| 18:55.40 | TiMiDo | valdyn, ?? |
| 18:55.42 | TiMiDo | I'm lost. |
| 18:55.54 | valdyn | TiMiDo: time to read the wlan howto? |
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| 18:56.00 | akkad | never seen apt blow up on a 64 bit system installing sudo looking for 32bit libs |
| 18:56.01 | valdyn | !wlan howto |
| 18:56.01 | dpkg | The Linux Wireless LAN HOWTO is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux . Additional resources and links to related information/websites also available. See also http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi and http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse . Related: <wireless-tools>, <adhoc>, <hostapd>, <rfkill>. |
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| 18:57.00 | jelly-home | akkad: you're using sid, shit is allowed to happen |
| 18:57.07 | valdyn | akkad: thats a preexisting error, its not related to sudo |
| 18:58.07 | valdyn | akkad: and this is also not debian |
| 18:58.29 | akkad | it's ec2, the kernel is not debian, the userland is :P |
| 18:58.33 | jelly-home | valdyn: vps environments can have all sorts for weird kernels |
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| 18:58.47 | jelly-home | a/for/of/ |
| 18:58.51 | valdyn | jelly-home: and non-debian problems |
| 18:59.08 | akkad | yeah and the choice of kernel affects ldconfig how? |
| 18:59.15 | jelly-home | valdyn: sorry, but I don't see how a custom kernel can affect apt |
| 18:59.39 | akkad | will nuke it and start over. |
| 19:00.02 | jelly-home | akkad: but it affects glibc, and I _think_ libc6 in testing and sid requires a newer kernel |
| 19:00.16 | valdyn | jelly-home: i see that hes running some vm on a non-debian kernel, and I only conclude that trying to upgrade a vm like that to sid is bound to be more problematic than just running sid, not more |
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| 19:03.15 | jelly-home | aye, that's reasonable |
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| 19:04.00 | puty | debian the best os eveeeeeeeeer !!! |
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| 19:04.22 | Bushmills | it's a distribution |
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| 19:04.46 | akkad | oh well thanks. a cpio solution might be best |
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| 19:05.56 | Bushmills | or afio, if you want archive checksum corruption to affect a single file only, instead of the whole archive |
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| 19:23.56 | aaron_ | hey how come i cannot install madwifi-source in amd64? |
| 19:24.17 | bzrk | the gods are against you |
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| 19:25.24 | HackeMate | hello, i installed debian lenny and addedd backports repository, and I did aptitude -t lenny-backports upgrade |
| 19:25.33 | HackeMate | it downloaded some things, a new kernel too |
| 19:25.47 | HackeMate | I install nvidia from module assistant and it cant find the module kernel |
| 19:25.54 | HackeMate | uname -r says 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 |
| 19:26.41 | somiaj | HackeMate: dpkg -l | grep nvidia -- did it install the module for the right kernel? |
| 19:27.24 | somiaj | HackeMate: though word of advise I wouldn't install all backports -- just install backports on the software you have a dire need to be more current than lenny -- newer doesn't mean better |
| 19:27.58 | jair | mister guys, I am running a 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GT216 [Quadro FX 880M] (rev a2) lenovo laptop w510 (16GB memory) and 8 cores ;) but I am trying to make a decision if I should install the nvidia drivers or the debian way? I am running (testing) |
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| 19:28.45 | somiaj | jair: If at all possible I'd suggest the debian way (since you then get to use dpkg to manage the install/removal of the driver) |
| 19:29.11 | somiaj | jair: though with a card that new you may have to grab the current nvidia drivers from experiemental and possibally compile them against the libs you have in testing. |
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| 19:29.52 | somiaj | jair: though nothing wrong with just grabing the drivers from nvidia -- I just try to avoid installing software that doesn't use the powerful tools of apt |
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| 19:30.08 | jair | somiaj: looks like I can do it but the debian drivers will be little old though, what I am trying to accomplish is project the video of the laptop in a 1024x768 |
| 19:30.35 | HackeMate | somiaj: dpkg -l did not install the right nvidia module |
| 19:30.43 | jair | somiaj: that's correct but I want to test both ways... |
| 19:30.50 | HackeMate | and I wanted to keep the system updated, but i learned heh |
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| 19:31.42 | somiaj | jair: packages.debian.org has been acting werid to me as of late -- but check out the nvidia packages in experiemental, they should be current enough (I think they are just one release behind the current one that nvidia came out with this month) |
| 19:32.09 | jair | well here is the card I have and the driver I downloaded from nvidia.com ---> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GT216 [Quadro FX 880M] (rev a2) ----> NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-260.19.12.run |
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| 19:32.36 | somiaj | HackeMate: best to keep it stable -- backports are to give you newer software on a stable base....if you didn't see the nvidia module for the kernel your running in 'dpkg -l | grep nvidia' then you'll have to rerun modula assistant and make sure your running the current kernel |
| 19:32.38 | Xanbreon | might need todo cc="gcc4.3" sh ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-260.19.12.run |
| 19:32.47 | Xanbreon | I think thats right |
| 19:32.56 | Xanbreon | Otherwise it will complain about compiler missmatch |
| 19:33.01 | jair | so I stop gdm and run the installer it tells me that i need to disable ---> nouveau driver because the kernel is using it |
| 19:33.22 | jair | Xanbreon: I haven't get to that part yet |
| 19:34.10 | somiaj | jair: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=nvidia&searchon=names&suite=experimental§ion=all |
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| 19:34.14 | bzrk | jair: i had that too, i blocked the nouveau module in /etc/modules.d/ and then compiled the nvidia module |
| 19:34.22 | somiaj | jair: 256.53 is the version there for the debian way |
| 19:35.38 | jair | somiaj: right it is a little older =) |
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| 19:36.05 | jair | somiaj: but I am not complaining about it I understand that debian is all about been stable that is why I love it for my production stuff |
| 19:36.16 | Xanbreon | Should be fine for a GTS2xx series |
| 19:36.19 | jair | bzrk: that might be my solution ;) |
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| 19:36.31 | Xanbreon | Most of the newer stuff is targeting at the GTX4xx series |
| 19:36.40 | jair | bzrk: so all you did is comment out that module? |
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| 19:36.52 | jair | bzrk: it is correct call it a module? |
| 19:37.28 | bzrk | jair: yes |
| 19:37.42 | jair | bzrk: there is not such a directory in debian --> /etc/modules.d |
| 19:37.54 | bzrk | jair: let me look |
| 19:38.03 | jair | /etc/modules |
| 19:38.21 | bzrk | sorry modprobe.d |
| 19:38.30 | bzrk | blacklist.conf |
| 19:38.33 | jair | bzrk: perfetc |
| 19:38.38 | jair | sorry let me check |
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| 19:44.55 | jair | bzrk: question though check this ---> http://paste.debian.net/97690/ |
| 19:45.22 | jair | bzrk: did you add the module to the blacklist? |
| 19:45.31 | bzrk | jair: yes |
| 19:45.36 | bzrk | added it to blacklist.conf |
| 19:45.41 | bzrk | blacklist nouveau |
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| 19:47.43 | jair | bzrk: cool |
| 19:48.05 | jair | I guess I will need to restart the machine right? so it can reload the modules |
| 19:48.10 | bzrk | jair: yes |
| 19:48.21 | jair | cool |
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| 19:49.47 | jair | bzrk: let's see if I can get it work this time |
| 19:49.56 | bzrk | jair: hehe gl |
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| 19:51.20 | jair | bzrk: hmmm looks like the kernel is still loading it though =( |
| 19:51.50 | bzrk | jair: oO |
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| 19:51.54 | bzrk | jair: thats weird |
| 19:52.27 | jair | if I want to check the modules loaded I can run lsmod right? |
| 19:52.46 | bzrk | yep |
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| 19:53.12 | jair | http://paste.debian.net/97694/ |
| 19:53.12 | acu | marius |
| 19:53.20 | jair | it is still running |
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| 19:53.27 | jair | in several places |
| 19:54.44 | jair | bzrk: this is my modprobe file -> http://paste.debian.net/97695/ |
| 19:56.01 | jair | bzrk: this is my kernel ---> 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Fri Oct 15 00:56:30 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 19:56.54 | bzrk | jair: yes blacklist looks like mine |
| 19:57.05 | bzrk | jair: dont know why it doesnt work for you oO |
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| 19:58.58 | jair | bzrk: I am researching thank you for the help though |
| 19:59.17 | bzrk | jair: yw, sorry it didnt work out |
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| 20:05.42 | jair | bzrk: I think I found the solution though |
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| 20:06.03 | jair | bzrk: this may be it => http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=54330 |
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| 20:08.23 | jhutchins_lt | jair: Strange, you're the second person with this problem today - it's in the initramfs, so you need to blacklist it there and rebuild it. |
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| 20:09.39 | jair | jhutchins_lt: huh? I already blacklist it |
| 20:10.03 | jair | rebuild it? just to install the native envidia drivers? |
| 20:10.15 | jair | jhutchins_lt: I think i will just use the debian nvidia then |
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| 20:11.45 | jhutchins_lt | jair: Rebuild the initramfs |
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| 20:12.09 | jhutchins_lt | jair: There might be a blacklist for initramfs as well. |
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| 20:13.22 | jair | jhutchins_lt: I honestly don't know how to rebuild initramfs and looking for a flag to blacklist whatever make this nouveau |
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| 20:16.56 | jhutchins_lt | jair: You need to have the initramfs-tools installed. |
| 20:17.03 | jhutchins_lt | jair: I'm looking for a guide for you. |
| 20:17.13 | jair | jhutchins_lt: thank you very much |
| 20:18.06 | n00ch | hey folks |
| 20:18.10 | n00ch | i have a mont question |
| 20:18.15 | n00ch | make that mount* |
| 20:19.11 | jhutchins_lt | jair: Ok, there isn't a seperate list, you just need to do dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r) in order to pick up the changes in your blacklist. |
| 20:19.18 | n00ch | I am attempting to mount a Windows share on my Debian workstation, I can mount it and view all files, but I can only write to it as SU |
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| 20:19.30 | n00ch | this is what i'm using: |
| 20:19.34 | n00ch | sudo mount -t cifs //10.100.1.50/It$ -o username=n00ch,password=pass ~/Network/IT |
| 20:19.56 | jhutchins_lt | !ntfs |
| 20:19.56 | dpkg | [ntfs] Windows NT File System. There are 3 drivers in Debian: the read-only Linux kernel driver and <FUSE> drivers providing write support. For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>. For information about read/write access, ask me about <ntfsrw>. See also <ntfsclone>, <ntfsck>, <label>. FAQ: http://linux-ntfs.org/doku.php?id=ntfs-en . http://wiki.debian.org/NTFS http://linux-ntfs.org/ #ntfs on irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:20.36 | n00ch | !ntfsrw |
| 20:20.36 | dpkg | If you want read/write access to NTFS filesystems, ask me about <ntfs-3g> or use ntfsmount from the ntfsprogs package (see also Debian bug #508982). See also <user accessible ntfs>. |
| 20:20.44 | jhutchins_lt | n00ch: Oops - network share, disregard ntfs. |
| 20:21.12 | jelly-home | n00ch: pass appropriate uid=, gid= options to mount |
| 20:21.15 | jhutchins_lt | n00ch: Is the server sharing it rw? |
| 20:21.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think he meant SU == super user, so yes it is |
| 20:21.44 | jair | jhutchins_lt: I found a workaround |
| 20:21.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | and all files are mapped to belong to root |
| 20:21.59 | n00ch | jhutchins_lt: yep |
| 20:22.02 | n00ch | CutMeOwnThroat: exactly |
| 20:22.02 | jair | jhutchins_lt: I added this to the grub boot line at the end of the kernel -> nouveau.blacklist=true |
| 20:22.11 | jair | jhutchins_lt: that works |
| 20:22.46 | n00ch | jelly-home: are you referring to Active directory credentials? |
| 20:22.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | so you have to use something like -o umask=000 on mount |
| 20:23.21 | jelly-home | n00ch: no, I'm refering to your unix account numeric uid,gid |
| 20:23.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you want to grant access to everyone... or/and what jelly-home said |
| 20:23.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | that'd be -o uid <users-uid> |
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| 20:24.10 | jelly-home | gives CutMeOwnThroat a = |
| 20:24.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | steals an o from jelly-hme |
| 20:24.37 | jhutchins_lt | careful, those are sharp. |
| 20:24.37 | jelly-home | my fstab has eg. |
| 20:24.44 | jelly-home | /titan/Users/jelly /net/users/jelly cifs credentials=/home/jelly/.smbmountrc,rw,rsize=8192,wsize=8192,uid=1000,gid=100,file_mode=0644,dir_mode=0755,iocharset=utf8,user,auto 0 0 |
| 20:24.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins_lt, no, they're not |
| 20:25.35 | n00ch | jelly-home: wow that looks..... complex :) |
| 20:25.46 | jelly-home | n00ch: credentials= is an arguably better alternative for user=,pass=,domain=, and the rest is just details |
| 20:26.01 | jair | Xanbreon: I am almost there |
| 20:26.01 | psiklops | Hi. I have a nvidia Geforce FX 5200 (0x0322) Graphic Card. is there a driver other than "nv" nouveau?, such as the driver "nvidia" available for my card. |
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| 20:26.21 | psiklops | and where/how can i get it |
| 20:26.22 | jelly-home | n00ch: omit user and auto at the command line |
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| 20:26.33 | jelly-home | those only make sense in fstab |
| 20:26.35 | jair | Xanbreon: I need to change the compiler to force gcc4.3 I tried the command you gave me cc="gcc4.3" but it is not working |
| 20:26.59 | devas- | jair CC=gcc-4.3 |
| 20:26.59 | psiklops | jair: CC= |
| 20:27.14 | Xanbreon | mybad |
| 20:27.20 | Xanbreon | :P |
| 20:27.23 | jelly-home | n00ch: also omit rsize and wsize if performance is good, these days they probably have decent defaults |
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| 20:27.56 | jair | devas-: ;) |
| 20:27.59 | jair | psiklops: ;) |
| 20:28.10 | psiklops | :) |
| 20:28.10 | jair | Thank you both of you guys |
| 20:28.20 | devas- | yw |
| 20:28.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell psiklops -about nvidia |
| 20:29.08 | n00ch | jelly-home: ~/.smbmountrc is a file containing your credentials? |
| 20:29.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | psiklops, the words in <> are further factoid names you can (should) msg the bot about |
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| 20:29.32 | djszapi | what is the problem ? debootstrap lenny lenny-chroot http://ftp.hu.debian.org/debian/ |
| 20:29.35 | djszapi | I: Retrieving Release |
| 20:29.38 | djszapi | E: Invalid Release file, no entry for main/binary-/Packages |
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| 20:29.49 | jair | devas-: still =( |
| 20:29.57 | jair | psiklops: it is not getting it =( |
| 20:30.05 | jair | CC=gcc4.3 |
| 20:30.07 | noob-tux | where can i download debian stable released? |
| 20:30.18 | jair | CC=gcc-4.3 |
| 20:30.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | psiklops, there's not so many pre-built ones about, so you probably want the m-a method |
| 20:30.22 | devas- | jair what's the full command? make CC=gcc-4.3? |
| 20:30.27 | jair | CC="gcc4.3" |
| 20:30.57 | djszapi | --arch=i386...k |
| 20:31.02 | devas- | jair no: CC= is a parameter of make and/or configure |
| 20:31.05 | jhutchins_lt | noob-tux: http://www.debian.org/CD - consider doing a netinstall if it's a single machine. |
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| 20:31.23 | devas- | jair if you need to use gcc-4.3, type gcc-4.3 |
| 20:31.25 | jair | devas-: I am not understanding? |
| 20:31.26 | jelly-home | n00ch: yeah |
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| 20:31.35 | jair | devas-: ok |
| 20:31.50 | jelly-home | n00ch: mount.cifs man page is nice |
| 20:31.55 | n00ch | jelly-home: or are you using smbmount instead of just mount? i don't have that installed |
| 20:32.09 | noob-tux | jhutchins: the problem is i got a low netspeed....what's the difference between netinstall and cd installation? |
| 20:32.09 | n00ch | its available in open-source samba |
| 20:33.36 | n00ch | ah ha... didn't even have smbfs pkg installed |
| 20:33.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | noob-tux, the netinstall just has a very basic set of packages... the rest ist installed directly from the net, so you only download what you really install |
| 20:33.47 | jelly-home | n00ch: if you didn't have /sbin/mount.cifs, you wouldn't be able to successfully run mount -t cifs ... |
| 20:34.10 | jair | devas-: this is the message I am getting -> http://paste.debian.net/97699/ |
| 20:34.15 | noob-tux | CutMeOwnThroat: does it takes time? |
| 20:34.21 | n00ch | jelly-home: well i def don't have man mount.cifs, and i can do those commands |
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| 20:34.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | everything takes time... |
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| 20:35.48 | mw3282 | THE GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA WANTS YOU TO KNOW WHEN YOU COMMENT ON SPAM, THE GAY NIGGERS WIN. NOW YOU KNOW, AND KNOWING IS HALF THE BATTLE! GO NIGGER!!! mw3282 jaytaph kelsoo jham karsten-nr Corndawg_ crypted psiklops cRAT jony_ RichardG xyan Qtronix czaja hell_razer acu Tuxi llua CAiRO bzed Hut paja hjb war9407 Wader atomx starenka_ jair pawelpaja km terranova initself Agiofws [SkG] WormFood luftikuss Matic`Makovec avoine meliowant Ex-Opesa do0ob |
| 20:35.48 | mw3282 | THE GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA WANTS YOU TO KNOW WHEN YOU COMMENT ON SPAM, THE GAY NIGGERS WIN. NOW YOU KNOW, AND KNOWING IS HALF THE BATTLE! GO NIGGER!!! drinkycrow jgeboski dokma bAndie9100 symbole Matkinson Ring0` wildc4rd Ambagasdowa cristi8 sansen HackeMate n00ch alextreme Schoentoon balleyne elkclone jemark Jinx-Wolf Deadguy shylent zophy donald bit0 khaleel5000 ari-tczew ealdor_ mastro mastro_ trbs mirr0r Ralfi83 Xanbreon derchris^ |Haryaalca |
| 20:35.48 | mw3282 | THE GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA WANTS YOU TO KNOW WHEN YOU COMMENT ON SPAM, THE GAY NIGGERS WIN. NOW YOU KNOW, AND KNOWING IS HALF THE BATTLE! GO NIGGER!!! preller Old_Spike0 s0d0 djura-san xuser CharminTheMoose Tommy_DO innociv swoody smeea hush Parsifal fnordperfect bluegene armenb brammat1r elenril floe_ brammator nameless` Tux^verdreifelt nexusone permalac bluethundr stoffepojken dzup2 Malf Morten_ jpinx-eeepc M`vy iateadonut spked Batchy KRF nev |
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| 20:36.00 | Tux^verdreifelt | ah, 'nother gay nigga spam |
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| 20:36.11 | jelly-home | n00ch: you'll need smbfs package to get ther manpage |
| 20:36.14 | devas- | jair do you understand the message? |
| 20:36.14 | Tux^verdreifelt | freenode hole or just #debian annoyance? |
| 20:36.17 | jhutchins_lt | noob-tux: net install has a minimal start-up image then downloads only the packages you need. |
| 20:36.24 | jair | devas-: and I have all this comilers -->http://paste.debian.net/97700/ |
| 20:36.35 | dzup2 | f*ck i hate that |
| 20:36.42 | Hut | these gay nigger spamms are totally professional xD |
| 20:36.53 | jair | devas-: yes, it is by default trying to compile with gcc4.4 and the driver is asking for gcc4.3 |
| 20:37.48 | devas- | jair it's saying that you need to compile the module with the same gcc you compiled your kernel |
| 20:37.58 | devas- | unless you know what you are doing |
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| 20:39.10 | jair | devas-: ohhh ok so the kernel was compiled with gcc4.4 I believe is that correct? |
| 20:39.16 | rute | i just booted into debian 5 on a flash drive and it's asking for a login and password. i never gave it one, so what do i put in? |
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| 20:39.40 | devas- | jair probably.. |
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| 20:39.58 | Agiofws | rute, just press enter ? |
| 20:40.03 | Agiofws | or root and root ? |
| 20:40.07 | Agiofws | something like that |
| 20:40.12 | jair | devas-: no no, the kernel was compiled with 4.3 |
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| 20:40.36 | devas- | jair so: export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.3 |
| 20:40.37 | Daremonai | How can I create a GUI app (Qt) that runs from the terminal without having GRUB or KDE or anything like that, i just want to run my program in full screen mode |
| 20:40.43 | jair | devas-: I know there is a command I can tell linux to use the gcc4.3 instead of gcc4.4 and the installed will not complain |
| 20:40.51 | jair | devas-: ok |
| 20:41.49 | jair | devas-: that did it!!!!! |
| 20:41.57 | devas- | :) |
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| 20:43.08 | jair | devas-: alright the installer is in process so far not errors |
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| 20:43.14 | rute | Agiofws, login=<blank> returns 'invalid name'. login=root, password=root returns 'login failed'. any other ideas? |
| 20:43.42 | jair | devas-: done |
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| 20:45.50 | devas- | rute did you installed debian on the flashdrive yourself? |
| 20:47.15 | rute | devas-, yes. i've used it on my laptop and it boots directly to a window manager (jwm) with no login/password |
| 20:47.19 | psiklops | CutMeOwnThroat: i did $ grep -B2 'Module class: X.Org Video Driver' /var/log/Xorg.0.log ---> http://pastebin.com/S8yyYqrF / # hwinfo --gfxcard ---> http://pastebin.com/20SniEh2 what driver is in use at the moment, since i haven't made a xorg.conf 'yet. |
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| 20:47.58 | Gathering | http://nowahistoria.aq.pl/virral/?id=felmawpxi Very interesting story about sopme girl ! |
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| 20:48.32 | c4pt | hi |
| 20:48.38 | c4pt | was nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 removed? |
| 20:48.44 | psiklops | CutMeOwnThroat: i think i just answered it my self |
| 20:48.44 | c4pt | if so why? |
| 20:48.47 | psiklops | ;-) |
| 20:49.03 | n00ch | jelly-home: so what command are you actually running with all of those options? |
| 20:49.10 | n00ch | jelly-home: smbmount? |
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| 20:50.37 | jelly-home | noob-tux: "mount /net/users/jelly", mount reads the fstab and does the rest |
| 20:51.08 | c4pt | ?? |
| 20:52.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | psiklops, I think so, too... |
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| 20:52.25 | BarkingFish | evening guys. |
| 20:52.32 | drasko_ | VLC does not support the audio or video format "mp4a". Unfortunately there is no way for you to fix this. Any ideas ? |
| 20:52.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | c4pt, you sure there ever was one? |
| 20:52.48 | c4pt | CutMeOwnThroat, http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:YTjjHmzSsDIJ:packages.debian.org/unstable/kernel/nvidia-kernel-2.6-xen-amd64+nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us |
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| 20:53.04 | c4pt | CutMeOwnThroat, i was trying to use it the other day with different versions of xen |
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| 20:54.25 | BarkingFish | I'm still not having a whole lot of success with my wifi - I've written my interfaces file with the proper config, put the ndiswrapper drivers in place and the drivers for my stick, saved the config to modprobe.d and now, when I try to launch the interface, I get an error. |
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| 20:54.46 | drasko_ | VLC does not support the audio or video format "mp4a". Unfortunately there is no way for you to fix this. Any ideas ? |
| 20:54.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, I'd have thought it just lags behind... the change to -5- has only happened quite recently |
| 20:54.52 | c4pt | bbiab i guess |
| 20:55.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | !why is nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 not in testing |
| 20:55.08 | dpkg | nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 |
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| 20:55.17 | BarkingFish | SIOCSIFADDR: No such device - wlan0: Unable to bind socket to interface |
| 20:55.19 | c4pt | dpkg, thanx |
| 20:55.19 | dpkg | c4pt: bitte |
| 20:56.18 | BarkingFish | I get that error if I try to get dhcp info from the gateway, or if I try to just ifup wlan0 - same thing. |
| 20:56.26 | c4pt | dpkg, its odd i was using that package the other day. |
| 20:56.26 | dpkg | c4pt: I give up, what is it? |
| 20:56.33 | BarkingFish | Any ideas? |
| 20:56.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | c4pt, dpkg is a bot |
| 20:57.00 | c4pt | CutMeOwnThroat, oh |
| 20:57.02 | c4pt | ok |
| 20:57.17 | c4pt | CutMeOwnThroat, odd that they removed it . |
| 20:57.21 | BarkingFish | it's a bit different, because it doesn't respond like one :) |
| 20:57.35 | c4pt | BarkingFish, yeah got me i guess lol |
| 20:58.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | c4pt, well, use m-a |
| 20:58.39 | valdyn | drasko_: why would you think that vlc does not support mp4a? |
| 20:58.54 | c4pt | CutMeOwnThroat, you think m-a will work? i thought the nvidia modules pkg for xen has patches to run? |
| 20:59.10 | c4pt | CutMeOwnThroat, i mean its odd. |
| 20:59.25 | c4pt | CutMeOwnThroat, if i use the old style xen kernel i can boot with nvidia binaries |
| 20:59.34 | BarkingFish | because it told him so, valdyn :) It'll be one of the errors vlc opens when you try to play something it doesn't have a codec for. |
| 20:59.49 | c4pt | CutMeOwnThroat, as soon as i use the newer 2.6.32-5-amd64-xen (pvops i guess) the binaries refuse to work |
| 20:59.53 | BarkingFish | I've had it before for indeo IV50 stuff |
| 20:59.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell c4pt about nvidia m-a |
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| 21:00.41 | infinity01 | is anyone familiar with the packaging of ant in debian? |
| 21:01.00 | infinity01 | i'm just wondering what is the smallest dependency for running javascript <scriptdef> tasks |
| 21:01.15 | infinity01 | it would seem i need js.jar from rhino, but i've moved that out of its installed directory and my build still works |
| 21:01.32 | infinity01 | (i haven't yet tried uninstalling ant-optional because that triggers a bunch of other uninstalls) |
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| 21:06.23 | psiklops | q |
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| 21:06.57 | c4pt | brb |
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| 21:09.44 | psiklops | CutMeOwnThroat: i just gererated a xorg.conf ... but my system wouldn't accept it to start X. can i comment out the driver ... options etc. and just keep the Screen Section to adjust resolution and depth... ? |
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| 21:10.41 | n00ch | jelly-home: you are my hero! |
| 21:10.53 | BarkingFish | So, can anyone help me with my issue? There must be someone here with wifi experience on debian :) |
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| 21:11.21 | n00ch | BarkingFish: I didn't catch your earlier statements. What chipset is your card? |
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| 21:11.59 | BarkingFish | ath5k |
| 21:12.02 | BarkingFish | AR5523 |
| 21:12.16 | n00ch | BarkingFish: this is in a notebook or desktop? |
| 21:12.20 | BarkingFish | Desktop |
| 21:12.24 | BarkingFish | it's a usb stick |
| 21:12.29 | n00ch | BarkingFish: oh gotcha |
| 21:12.59 | n00ch | BarkingFish: To be honest, the only advice I was going to give you was to ditch your current setup and ebay a cheap Ath PCI card, but..... |
| 21:13.13 | BarkingFish | I've done the interface setup, i've added auto wlan0 / iface wlan0 inet dhcp to the /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 21:13.14 | jhutchins_lt | I thought ndiswrapper was deprecated. |
| 21:13.21 | psiklops | is it possible to just have the information for "Section Screen" in xorg.conf and still be able to startx ? |
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| 21:13.37 | c4pt | hmm |
| 21:13.40 | BarkingFish | i wouldn't be using it jhutchins_lt if the module which was supposed to run it, worked |
| 21:13.40 | jhutchins_lt | ath5k should have native support. |
| 21:13.44 | jhutchins_lt | !ath5k |
| 21:13.45 | dpkg | [ath5k] a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver for Atheros 802.11a/bg PCI wireless LAN chipsets. Included in Debian kernels since 2.6.24. See http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k for more information and supported devices. For AR5007* devices, ask me about <ar2425>. For 802.11n device support, ask me about <ath9k>. See also <debian-backports>. |
| 21:13.45 | c4pt | CutMeOwnThroat, i tried this before with m-a a-i nvidia |
| 21:14.08 | c4pt | CutMeOwnThroat, same problem i was having before the framebuffer or the screen just goes entirely black when gdm3 loads |
| 21:14.12 | jhutchins_lt | BarkingFish: Is there a chance this is a bad dongle? |
| 21:14.16 | c4pt | CutMeOwnThroat, might be a dkms problem i dunno |
| 21:14.17 | BarkingFish | no |
| 21:14.22 | BarkingFish | i'm using it right now :) |
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| 21:14.30 | n00ch | BarkingFish: dumb question... have you done "/etc/init.d/networking restart"? |
| 21:14.36 | BarkingFish | yes |
| 21:14.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | c4pt, ooh... squeeze... that should all go automatically when you install the meta-package |
| 21:14.42 | jhutchins_lt | BarkingFish: Using it on a non-linux OS I take it? |
| 21:14.49 | BarkingFish | yes, Windows XP |
| 21:14.57 | c4pt | CutMeOwnThroat, ? |
| 21:14.59 | psiklops | c4pt: yes that happend to me also, yesterday |
| 21:15.11 | c4pt | psiklops, CutMeOwnThroat what do you suggest? |
| 21:15.12 | psiklops | with gpm installed |
| 21:15.19 | BarkingFish | I've had it working on another linux install using ndiswrapper - my old system was mandriva, which I've migrated from, to debian |
| 21:15.29 | psiklops | c4pt: for what ? |
| 21:15.30 | HackeMate | how to make qtcurve working in kde? |
| 21:15.35 | c4pt | psiklops, with xen hypvervisor running? |
| 21:15.37 | BarkingFish | the 2 drivers I use are athfmwdl and net5523 |
| 21:15.42 | HackeMate | i have installed the qtcurve and gtk engine packages installed |
| 21:15.44 | c4pt | psiklops, did you get xen working with the nvidia binaries? |
| 21:16.15 | psiklops | c4pt: :9 sorry, naa, my issue is also nvidia related |
| 21:16.29 | psiklops | c4pt: but not xen |
| 21:16.38 | edju | I'm having problems with dhclient. I see that I presently run isc-dhcp server and client. Can I replace that with dhcp3? I'd just try it, but the install doesn't remove isc, and I don't know if both should be installed. Running squeeze. |
| 21:16.40 | c4pt | CutMeOwnThroat, any suggestions? |
| 21:17.07 | jhutchins_lt | BarkingFish: Have you tried the .32 kernel from backports? |
| 21:17.14 | c4pt | CutMeOwnThroat, like i was saying the xen oldsytyle kernel works ok with nvidia-binaries as soon as i use the newer 2.6.32-5-amd64-xen it fails. |
| 21:17.27 | c4pt | CutMeOwnThroat, even with the nvidia-kernel-amd64-xen package the other day also |
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| 21:17.32 | BarkingFish | I would, but I'm having to dl all the .deb packages manually right now, since i have no other net access |
| 21:17.55 | jhutchins_lt | !apt-zip |
| 21:17.56 | dpkg | Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media. Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline> <apt-walkabout>. http://wiki.debian.org/AptZip |
| 21:17.56 | BarkingFish | I'm downloading them to windows, mounting windows from within debian and dpkg -i to install them |
| 21:18.38 | jhutchins_lt | apt offline |
| 21:18.40 | BarkingFish | !apt offline |
| 21:18.40 | dpkg | To use apt on a machine that doesn't have a network connection (if you have a separate machine that does have a network connection), read http://batmat.net/apt-offline/ch3.html Ask me about <apt-zip><apt-walkabout>. |
| 21:19.02 | BarkingFish | that's no good either... :( |
| 21:19.05 | BarkingFish | One pc only |
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| 21:19.32 | n00ch | BarkingFish: no access to a wired connection? |
| 21:19.39 | BarkingFish | no, we're not cabled here |
| 21:19.45 | c4pt | bbiab |
| 21:19.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | c4pt, mmh, I had that with the ati card... it went away when I switched to fglrx |
| 21:19.53 | BarkingFish | The whole estate is covered by public wifi repeaters |
| 21:19.59 | jair | devas-: I just tested the debian machine with the nvidia drivers and now I can project on projectors awesome! |
| 21:20.04 | c4pt | CutMeOwnThroat, using xen 4.0+ and pvops? |
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| 21:20.18 | jair | I also wrote a how to and will be publishing it in my blog ;) |
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| 21:20.37 | financer | hi all |
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| 21:20.46 | jair | devas-: thank you so very much for your help and the help of all the #debian channel! like always you guys rock!!!! |
| 21:20.51 | jhutchins_lt | BarkingFish: I don't know what apt-zip requires on the connected computer but you might be able to get it to run under citrix or something. |
| 21:21.13 | jhutchins_lt | BarkingFish: No pci wifi on the laptop, eh? |
| 21:21.21 | BarkingFish | I've got a very large external hard disk - is it possible for me to download the *entire* pool onto one of these, or more than one? |
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| 21:21.33 | BarkingFish | jhutchins_lt, It's not a laptop |
| 21:21.40 | l0rd_hex | these instructions for setting up my own repository say they are obsolete, but are they?! http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto#setting-up |
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| 21:22.01 | jhutchins_lt | !apt mirror |
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| 21:22.48 | jhutchins_lt | !tell BarkingFish about apt-mirror |
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| 21:23.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | c4pt, no, regular system... never figured out what it was (well, there was possibly some picture but the tft was out of range) |
| 21:23.04 | c4pt | bbiab |
| 21:23.15 | c4pt | brb |
| 21:23.29 | jhutchins_lt | BarkingFish: I think the idea of a cheap, supported PCI card on ebay is good too. |
| 21:23.49 | jhutchins_lt | BarkingFish: These usb things are so cheaply made they just don't work right a lot of the time. |
| 21:24.02 | jhutchins_lt | BarkingFish: Windows will sometimes work with the bad ones because windows is pretty sloppy. |
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| 21:24.26 | acu | jony__, hello |
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| 21:27.27 | inc0 | I had windows 7,I've installed debian (yay) with /boot partition in boot partition of windows 7. Grub cant see windows now, any way to recover it? |
| 21:27.58 | inc0 | or to configure grub to run it? |
| 21:28.07 | n00ch | BarkingFish: I have a cheap card (i think maybe linksys?) with an Ath chipset and it works beutifully out of the box |
| 21:28.16 | jhutchins_lt | inc0: If you mean the bootloader is on the MBR of the windows disk, that's good. |
| 21:28.45 | jhutchins_lt | inc0: If you've actually written the /boot partition over the windows partition you probably need to re-install windows. |
| 21:29.02 | inc0 | well not exacly like that |
| 21:29.05 | jelly-home | inc0: install os-prober, run update-grub |
| 21:29.10 | inc0 | windows 7 (not sure about vista) |
| 21:29.25 | inc0 | make his own boot partition |
| 21:29.26 | inc0 | 200mb |
| 21:29.37 | inc0 | jelly-home, will try, tyvm:) |
| 21:29.55 | jelly-home | or they can use a preexisting ntfs partition |
| 21:30.13 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: On squeeze I notice that a new kernel install won't detect the other linux installs, but if I re-run update-grub it finds them. |
| 21:30.36 | BarkingFish | n00ch, the problem is I don't shop online - I usually go locally to places like maplin and stuff... |
| 21:30.37 | inc0 | well mine made 200mb boot partition, and I made it /boot on linux |
| 21:30.52 | n00ch | jelly-home: i didn't use your mount method exactly, but you definitely led me in the right direction. Thanks! |
| 21:31.25 | BarkingFish | I just saw the full archive of what I want, all the packages for i386 comes to 35 GB - that would be perfect. I can sit that on a hard drive (if only I could work out how to get it all off in one go) |
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| 21:32.17 | jelly-home | n00ch: you're welcome, have a nice day! |
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| 21:35.12 | BarkingFish | i think what I'm gonna do is dl the other 15 or so CD isos and make a local repo. |
| 21:35.18 | BarkingFish | Seems the only way I can do it for now |
| 21:35.27 | inc0 | hmm os-prober doesnt seem to work |
| 21:36.36 | jhutchins_lt | BarkingFish: You shouldn't need all 15, and if you look at the mirror scripts you'll see that you want the packages, not the iso's. |
| 21:37.04 | jhutchins_lt | You need the sections for your architecture and language, plus backports. |
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| 21:38.07 | l0rd_hex | I need some advice, I have about 100 machines setup in a cluster that will run Debian, for their updates and installing and such I'm thinking about running a local apt mirror.. is this a good idea? I don't want to burn out the tubes of the internet |
| 21:38.36 | l0rd_hex | I don't need every package either, just a handful |
| 21:39.06 | eAndrius | now you are just bragging |
| 21:39.37 | l0rd_hex | who is bragging? |
| 21:39.45 | l0rd_hex | looks behind him |
| 21:39.57 | BarkingFish | be back later, catch you in a bit |
| 21:40.02 | themill | l0rd_hex: yes, a local mirror is entirely appropriate for that. You might like to look at a caching proxy to make life easier (/msg dpkg apt-proxy). Something like cron-apt to automate updates would be handy too (/msg dpkg cron-apt; /msg dpkg puppet) |
| 21:41.55 | l0rd_hex | themill: thank you friend, i found these instructions (http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto#setting-up) but they say they're out of date |
| 21:42.46 | n00ch | BarkingFish: y/part |
| 21:42.56 | n00ch | sorry nvm |
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| 21:45.39 | nilla | Hiya Deb. |
| 21:45.44 | nilla | How are ya? |
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| 21:46.24 | TheSarge | Is there a package that will virus scan and clean a windows partitionA? |
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| 21:46.39 | l0rd_hex | TheSarge: clamav |
| 21:46.45 | l0rd_hex | mount the heck outta that partition |
| 21:46.52 | l0rd_hex | and scan it like the breeze |
| 21:47.00 | valdyn | TheSarge: realistically? |
| 21:47.04 | RICHIH | themill: long shot, but you wouldn't know how to get java 1.5 on unstable? |
| 21:47.05 | TheSarge | l0rd_hex: Sweet thx |
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| 21:47.14 | valdyn | TheSarge: all av packages fail to do this |
| 21:47.31 | TheSarge | l0rd_hex: Says clamav will work so its worth a shot |
| 21:47.55 | themill | RICHIH: no can do. Removed from everything and no longer supported upstream. (you could try java-package... but you probably really want java6 stuff) |
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| 21:47.59 | l0rd_hex | TheSarge: you could also try something like bartPE |
| 21:48.05 | nilla | Is there a way to make an XP thumb drive from Debian? |
| 21:48.29 | themill | l0rd_hex: there are other alternatives to apt-proxy that are still maintained that dpkg would have mentioned too. |
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| 21:49.42 | themill | steals RICHIH's capslock key... or at least does something useful with it like turn it into a compose key |
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| 21:51.19 | TheSarge | ls |
| 21:51.23 | TheSarge | oops lol |
| 21:51.34 | RICHIH | themill: bleh, i don't want to kvm up a lenny :( |
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| 21:52.15 | TheSarge | l0rd_hex: How do I update it so it has the database it needs? |
| 21:52.40 | RICHIH | hmm, there is linux-image-2.6.36-rc6-686 -- that way i would be able to loopback mount xfs for the kvm without the kernel going boom |
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| 21:54.00 | nilla | Does anyone know? UNetBootIn is only for linux distros... |
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| 21:54.46 | TheSarge | l0rd_hex: So if I am reading the man page right, I have to download a cirus DB manually and then load it? |
| 21:54.47 | l0rd_hex | TheSarge: freshclam |
| 21:54.56 | TheSarge | l0rd_hex: oh okay cool thx |
| 21:54.59 | l0rd_hex | TheSarge: run freshclam first |
| 21:55.14 | l0rd_hex | valdyn is probably right, clamav doesn't always work but it might |
| 21:55.23 | l0rd_hex | get some whiskey first |
| 21:56.52 | nilla | no one has anything? |
| 21:57.37 | l0rd_hex | nilla: check on google hombre |
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| 21:58.13 | l0rd_hex | it's beer time |
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| 21:58.20 | valdyn | nilla: if you looked for how to create an xp thumbdrive from xp and seperately how to run xp in a debian vm, then google might tell you all you need |
| 21:58.23 | Karsten_ | Hiya. Could someone give me a hint on where I can download Debian source packages? |
| 21:58.45 | Karsten_ | http://packages.debian.org/source/lenny/openjdk-6 <--- Is there a package somewhere here? (source package) |
| 21:58.47 | valdyn | Karsten_: http://www.debian.org/ |
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| 21:59.18 | valdyn | Karsten_: its called source package but its 3 files, one .gar.gz, one diff, one .dsc |
| 21:59.28 | valdyn | *tar.gz* |
| 22:00.00 | valdyn | Karsten_: and those 3 are at the bottom of that page |
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| 22:00.15 | Karsten_ | valdyn: The *orig.tar.gz? Isnt that just the original "pristine" upstream source? |
| 22:00.33 | valdyn | Karsten_: not exactly, but for your needs and purposes, yes |
| 22:01.16 | pingouin | any advices on how to format an ssd drive ? (ext3 ? something else) and what to turn on in the kernel to use trim and other ssd stuffs on debian ? |
| 22:01.19 | Karsten_ | ok. so does it have the debian/scripts inside it? |
| 22:01.29 | valdyn | Karsten_: usually not |
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| 22:01.36 | pingouin | or i can handle it as a classic hard drive ? |
| 22:01.37 | Karsten_ | ah ok. |
| 22:01.42 | Karsten_ | where would I get these scripts? |
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| 22:01.54 | valdyn | Karsten_: that why theres the .diff.gz |
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| 22:02.13 | valdyn | pingouin: you can |
| 22:02.21 | Karsten_ | ah! So i just patch the .tar.gz with the patch files? |
| 22:02.33 | Karsten_ | *once extracted |
| 22:02.36 | valdyn | pingouin: why would trim need OS support? |
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| 22:02.49 | valdyn | Karsten_: theres tools for this |
| 22:02.59 | valdyn | Karsten_: "apt-get source <package>" |
| 22:03.02 | pingouin | valdyn: i dont know, i just ask if i need some stuffs enable in the kernel with ssd |
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| 22:03.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | pingouin, there's special filesystems for ssd, they don't work with ssd drives that emulate a regular drive (sd cards, usb sticks), though... and you're not supposed to put a normal journaling filesystem on it, as the journal is always written to the same area of the drive and hence wears out first (limited amount of write operations) |
| 22:03.16 | valdyn | pingouin: no |
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| 22:03.47 | valdyn | pingouin: there can be filesystems that have settings tailored to ssd, but I dont think ext3/4 has anything like that |
| 22:03.52 | Bushmills | pingouin, if the drive has wear balancing, ext3 would be ok. if not, i'd prefer ext2 |
| 22:04.03 | valdyn | pingouin: btrfs does, but even that is probably doubious in its benefit |
| 22:04.03 | Karsten_ | valdyn: is there a way I can download it manually to build on an offline machine? |
| 22:04.23 | valdyn | Karsten_: click on the links |
| 22:05.00 | Karsten_ | valdyn: OK :) Thanks for your help |
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| 22:05.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | Bushmills, I'm still confused about that... but as I understood, wear leveling doesn't necessarily mean the journal isn't always written to the same physical parts... |
| 22:05.36 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: it does mean that its not always written to the same physical parts |
| 22:05.48 | Bushmills | right. that's a drive internal logic which dynamically remaps logical>physical sector mapping |
| 22:05.54 | pingouin | ok thanks CutMeOwnThroat , valdyn , Bushmills the ssd ii have , have wear levelling, so i guess i can go for ext3 |
| 22:06.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems not... depending on how it's implemented... some seem to pretty much rely on having FAT on them |
| 22:06.16 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: only way to "defeat" wear leveling is simple though, just keep rewriting to an almost full disk |
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| 22:07.09 | valdyn | hmm |
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| 22:07.34 | valdyn | hmm, no nevermind that was nonsense what i said |
| 22:07.42 | valdyn | but relying on FAT would make ssd useless |
| 22:07.46 | Bushmills | ext2 / 3 reserves some space, default 5%, which is kept free unless root fills the device up |
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| 22:08.06 | Bushmills | you could think of increasing the percentage of reserved space |
| 22:08.30 | valdyn | Bushmills: no, i talked nonsense, wear leveling wouldnt depend on fill level of disk |
| 22:08.46 | rahsputin | hi, i just installed Chromium, when i switch between Windows(from Chromium <-> xterm) Chromium flickers really bad |
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| 22:08.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | valdyn, ok, that argument is obvious enough... |
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| 22:10.04 | TheSarge | Anyone in here ever take the CompTia Linux+ Cert exam? I have one coming up. |
| 22:10.06 | rahsputin | flickers ( the chromium screen flashes alot ) but evt. comes to its normal display |
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| 22:11.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | valdyn, I thought there was another one, though, why you'll still end up writing the journal to the same space... but it's too long ago I read up on it |
| 22:12.02 | nilla | valdyn, thanks that is a great idea! |
| 22:12.42 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wear_leveling is interesting |
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| 22:13.22 | ma3x | what's the debian development channel name? |
| 22:13.33 | ma3x | wasn't it #debian-devel ? it redirects me to this one |
| 22:13.44 | ma3x | hm invite only |
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| 22:14.28 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: and "dynamic wear leveling" might refer to what you meant with journal being written to same blocks |
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| 22:15.37 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: it's not on this network. What's your question? |
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| 22:15.48 | ma3x | when i manually 'make' 2.6.36 kernel, it compiles without problem, however using make-kpkg i get these 2 errors lguest.c:21:25: error: sys/eventfd.h: No such file or directory lguest.c:46:30: error: linux/virtio_rng.h: No such file or directory anyone knows what's that all about? note: i compile from the original source so no missing files or anything |
| 22:15.54 | c4pt | CutMeOwnThroat, seems working ok with oldstyle xen support so i guess i will stick with that for now |
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| 22:19.26 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: you're probably compiling a module that you weren't otherwise compiling, and the include paths are wrong. |
| 22:19.35 | qq- | ma3x, libc6-dev: /usr/include/sys/eventfd.h ; linux-libc-dev: /usr/include/linux/virtio_rng.h |
| 22:19.51 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: but without the full and complete output, there's not much we can do to help you |
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| 22:23.39 | ma3x | qq-: lennys packages dont contain those files, they're probably for unstable? |
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| 22:24.28 | ma3x | dondelelcaro: here is the error section http://pastebin.com/7jEVgwW2 |
| 22:24.30 | qq- | . versions libc6-dev |
| 22:24.38 | qq- | ,versions libc6-dev |
| 22:24.42 | judd | Package libc6-dev on i386 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1; etch-security: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1; lenny: 2.7-18lenny4; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny4; sid: 2.11.2-6; squeeze: 2.11.2-6 |
| 22:24.58 | qq- | ,versions linux-libc-dev |
| 22:25.00 | judd | Package linux-libc-dev on i386 -- etch-backports: 2.6.26-21~bpo40+1; lenny: 2.6.26-25; lenny-security: 2.6.26-25lenny1; squeeze-security: 2.6.30-8squeeze1; lenny-backports: 2.6.32-23~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.6.32-25; sid: 2.6.32-26; experimental: 2.6.36~rc6-1~experimental.1 |
| 22:25.06 | ma3x | qq-: apt-file search eventfd.h or virtio_rng.h shows nothing |
| 22:25.20 | qq- | ma3x, read up |
| 22:25.27 | ma3x | plus im compiling from 2.6.36 source so i guess the source contains those files |
| 22:25.29 | qq- | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:25.41 | qq- | ma3x, nah |
| 22:25.43 | ma3x | i just updated it |
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| 22:26.23 | qq- | ma3x, anyways read up |
| 22:27.33 | ma3x | qq-: i see the versions are different what's your point? |
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| 22:30.48 | qq- | ma3x, anyways lenny kernel-package can't compile 2.6.36 kernel .. |
| 22:32.14 | ma3x | hm any other way to make a package? |
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| 22:32.40 | ma3x | what if i just 'make install' where will it install, /usr/src only? |
| 22:34.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | valdyn, ... or I read something back then when someone told a big wobbler... and did it well |
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| 22:39.02 | s3a | I reinstalled lenny and i cannot reinstall deluge. why not? |
| 22:39.19 | s3a | apt-get install deluge-torrent returns Couldn't find package deluge-torrent |
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| 22:40.12 | s3a | Here is my sources.list: http://pastebin.com/JgQmUuKM |
| 22:40.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's in main |
| 22:40.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, you don't have main |
| 22:41.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | except for the cdrom |
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| 22:41.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | make a 2nd copy of the line for lenny and remove the -src |
| 22:42.27 | s3a | o oops! |
| 22:42.37 | s3a | i copy pasted and changed squeeze to lenny and forgot to remove src |
| 22:42.50 | s3a | thanks |
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| 22:44.47 | jhutchins | ,versions xsane |
| 22:44.49 | judd | Package xsane on i386 -- etch: 0.99+0.991-2; lenny: 0.996-1; sid: 0.997-2+b1; squeeze: 0.997-2+b1 |
| 22:44.53 | joeykrim | dpkg dict debian |
| 22:45.04 | dpkg | i could not get info from dict.org 'alarm at ./src/Modules/Dict.pl line 42. |
| 22:45.15 | jhutchins | Crap. scsi card sees scanner, xsane does not. |
| 22:45.21 | joeykrim | dict broken :( |
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| 22:48.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins_lt, might be just permissions on the device(s), though |
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| 22:48.39 | jhutchins | It's the kernel, with .26 it has no problem, .32 reports no scanner. |
| 22:49.00 | jhutchins | CutMeOwnThroat: User needs to be member of group scanner, but kdesu xsane didn't find it either. |
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| 22:51.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | how do you see it? |
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| 22:57.32 | gia888 | !hello |
| 22:57.32 | dpkg | Hi, gia888! |
| 22:59.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins_lt, you saw man 5 sane-scsi? |
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| 22:59.57 | nasser750gx | Hello |
| 23:00.00 | nasser750gx | any one here |
| 23:00.04 | nasser750gx | knows something about IPTABLES ? |
| 23:00.06 | simonrvn | nope |
| 23:00.13 | simonrvn | #Netfilter does |
| 23:00.41 | nasser750gx | thanks simonrvn |
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| 23:03.59 | nasser750gx | no answer from netfiler |
| 23:04.04 | nasser750gx | *netfilter |
| 23:04.17 | nasser750gx | in fact you don't even get an answer to hello! |
| 23:04.45 | simonrvn | then you wait. ask your real question instead of asking meta-questions |
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| 23:04.56 | simonrvn | you'll get a better response |
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| 23:07.58 | nasser750gx | Sure will try |
| 23:08.03 | nasser750gx | I just wrote one there... |
| 23:08.12 | simonrvn | ok |
| 23:08.28 | simonrvn | they might be at dinner or something |
| 23:09.09 | nasser750gx | I'm in paris, it's 1 am here |
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| 23:09.18 | nasser750gx | no idea where those guys live... |
| 23:09.43 | simonrvn | some in .us, some in .eu |
| 23:11.02 | nasser750gx | it's interestingly quiet here |
| 23:11.09 | nasser750gx | I see more than a thousand people in chat |
| 23:11.13 | nasser750gx | but not much discussion |
| 23:11.25 | nasser750gx | i've heard linux was made mostly in IRC discussion... :-? |
| 23:12.59 | simonrvn | early days yes. nowadays mostly mailing lists. |
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| 23:29.21 | saac | It's true, usually this is full of Q&A. |
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| 23:40.51 | ksx4system | how do I permanently get rid of exim4? it keeps starting on system boot, I don't want/need it |
| 23:41.28 | jpinx-eeepc | ksx4system: you need some thing to do internal mail - maybe nullmailer or similar |
| 23:41.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | uninstall it? |
| 23:42.38 | jpinx-eeepc | then what ^he^ says |
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| 23:43.04 | ksx4system | jpinx-eeepc: erm... internal mail? do i really need it if there's only two users (me and root)? |
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| 23:43.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | !why an mta |
| 23:43.30 | dpkg | An MTA should be on most Unix(ish) systems to provide a way for various services to deliver asynchronous system or error messages. This includes things like cron and at (to give you the output of jobs) and various daemons (e.g. the init script of MySQL). The MTA does not have to listen to network ports so spam and security issues are largely irrelevant. See also <nullmailer>. |
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| 23:44.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually I never look at roots mail and still live |
| 23:44.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | nearly never |
| 23:44.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | so one _can_ do without |
| 23:45.20 | ksx4system | thanks. ok, i'll just leave it working... i'm just cleaning fresh instance of Debian Lenny (only 64mb of ram and a bit weak cpu) |
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| 23:47.39 | jpinx-eeepc | ksx4system: fwiw - I have no mailer and I live :) |
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| 23:48.17 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: I really *never* look at roots mail |
| 23:48.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | is the system running on your pacemaker? |
| 23:48.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | right... and it's mainly cron using mail to communicate |
| 23:49.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you use cron, you should have a mailer, though... else debugging becomes even more tedious than it is |
| 23:49.27 | jpinx-eeepc | I see cron messages when I look through logs for other stuff - means nothing to me :) |
| 23:49.46 | jpinx-eeepc | but I have not set cron up to do anything |
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| 23:50.08 | jpinx-eeepc | it must be some system or application defaults its doing |
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| 23:50.31 | Somelauw | Is it true that a lot of software in the repos is compiled without optimization tags? |
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| 23:51.03 | bolt | Somelauw: been lurking in #gentoo or something? |
| 23:51.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | duh, who knows... you can always download the dsc(?) files and look, I guess |
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| 23:53.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | mh, no, that only has the build-depends |
| 23:53.19 | dondelelcaro | Somelauw: almost everything in Debian is compiled with -O2, unless we know better, in which case we dlopen proper libraries |
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| 23:57.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | bolt, finally got xp to start under kvm, but ... well, even with 2GB I think it might start swapping, but what's worse, the mouse just stops moving |
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