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| 00:27.38 | luigi_ | hi, what other app besides 'deluge' can i install (torrent manager)?? |
| 00:28.16 | n00ch | luigi_: transmission is one |
| 00:28.16 | nsadmin | browse package lists at packages.debian.org |
| 00:28.36 | luigi_ | ok, thanks pal |
| 00:28.54 | luigi_ | n00ch, thanks buddy |
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| 00:29.14 | n00ch | luigi_: deluge is much better than transmission IMO |
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| 00:30.57 | nsadmin | n00ch: looks like he doesn't want a response that suggests he do his homework at home... |
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| 00:31.57 | n00ch | nsadmin: no one likes homework :) |
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| 00:32.26 | n00ch | nsadmin: i was just excited that i could actually help someone so i was quick to answer :) |
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| 00:34.07 | luigi_ | n00ch: can't find 'transmission' |
| 00:34.19 | nsadmin | heeez baakkk |
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| 00:34.46 | nsadmin | luigi_: looked at packages.debian.org yet? |
| 00:34.49 | n00ch | luigi_: might want to take nsadmin's advice and browse the packages at your leisure |
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| 00:34.55 | jpinx-eeepc | !transmission |
| 00:34.56 | dpkg | i guess transmission is an open source, cross-platform and lightweight <BitTorrent> client, packaged for Debian. Uses the GTK+ interface on Linux systems. FAQ: http://trac.transmissionbt.com/ http://www.transmissionbt.com/ #transmission on irc.freenode.net. |
| 00:35.14 | jpinx-eeepc | luigi_: ^^ |
| 00:35.18 | n00ch | if i can play the devils advocate and suggest another.... rtorrent |
| 00:35.24 | darkkrai | DELUGE |
| 00:35.26 | darkkrai | :D |
| 00:35.27 | n00ch | it's a cli only one.... very nice |
| 00:35.38 | darkkrai | anyways, how do I install nvidia 3d drivers? |
| 00:35.38 | n00ch | but yes deluge is my fave GUI client |
| 00:35.44 | luigi_ | yes i did, started with Sid |
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| 00:36.07 | jpinx-eeepc | ,versions transmission |
| 00:36.08 | judd | Package transmission on i386 -- etch: 0.6.1.dfsg-1; lenny: 1.22-1+lenny2; lenny-security: 1.22-1+lenny2; lenny-backports: 1.77-1~bpo50+2; squeeze: 2.03-1; sid: 2.03-2; experimental: 2.10-2; experimental: 2.11-1 |
| 00:36.15 | jpinx-eeepc | luigi_: ^^ |
| 00:36.41 | jpinx-eeepc | luigi_: I don't know what your problem is - transmission is a no-brainer to install |
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| 00:37.27 | luigi_ | judd, under what clasification is that? i looked under 'web' |
| 00:37.52 | jpinx-eeepc | luigi_: what release are you running? |
| 00:38.03 | luigi_ | testing |
| 00:38.16 | amphi | fg |
| 00:38.32 | nsadmin | net? |
| 00:38.43 | jpinx-eeepc | luigi_: on the cli - do " aptitude install transmission " |
| 00:38.44 | luigi_ | amphi_, what's 'fg' |
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| 00:38.52 | nsadmin | man fg |
| 00:39.11 | amphi | luigi_: sorry, I keep forgetting to pop up my scratchpad before doing that |
| 00:39.36 | jpinx-eeepc | luigi_: if you don't know what fg is - maybe you should not be running testing ;) |
| 00:39.38 | nsadmin | I get to pick on you because you are repeatedly showing yourself as not able to search |
| 00:39.56 | nsadmin | but that's a lie because you are able |
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| 00:40.29 | luigi_ | jpinx-eeepc, i know how to install, come down to my level, explain to me what fg is |
| 00:40.45 | nevyn | luigi_: it's short for foreground |
| 00:40.47 | mike3 | Fore ground |
| 00:40.59 | nevyn | in the bash manual read the section on "job control" |
| 00:41.15 | luigi_ | what does fg or bg has to do with transmission? |
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| 00:41.30 | mike3 | It suspends a running app in the background when your in a terminal |
| 00:41.40 | jpinx-eeepc | luigi_: it appears that you don't now how to install if you can not do it with transmission |
| 00:41.45 | mike3 | Sorry brings it forward |
| 00:41.51 | amphi | luigi_: nothing; I typed in the wrong terminal |
| 00:42.03 | HermanDE | Anybody have some suggestions for creating a sasl mech that looks for data from a soap service? |
| 00:42.08 | jpinx-eeepc | luigi_: and the comment about fg was not initially directed at you, so ignore it ;) |
| 00:42.19 | darkkrai | anyways, how do I install nvidia 3d drivers? |
| 00:42.21 | luigi_ | i havent installed it yet, i wanted to know more about it, are you having a slow nite? |
| 00:42.46 | mike3 | Apt-get |
| 00:42.55 | jpinx-eeepc | luigi_: you are rapidly running out of assistance here - we are all volunteers - |
| 00:43.36 | jpinx-eeepc | luigi_: for someone running testing and not know about apt-cache search, aptitude show, etc - it shows a different problem maybe |
| 00:43.37 | luigi_ | jpinx-eeepc, i think i got enough help already, thank you guys! |
| 00:43.43 | nsadmin | his response to my first suggestion of going to packages.debian.org and looking for himself: "Thanks pal" |
| 00:44.02 | luigi_ | later! |
| 00:44.39 | EZZ | Peace |
| 00:44.48 | mike3 | :) |
| 00:44.52 | jpinx-eeepc | if people pay me I'll put up wit their non-sense..... |
| 00:45.12 | nsadmin | there needs to be a way to feed that so that people can actually make money |
| 00:45.14 | mike3 | :) |
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| 00:46.57 | jpinx-eeepc | I wish.... |
| 00:47.21 | nsadmin | my vision is that once someone shows similar laziness, they're kicked into the receptionist room for paid consulting, and then if they refuse, they're immediately kicked from there |
| 00:48.16 | jpinx-eeepc | nsadmin: ;) |
| 00:48.19 | nsadmin | I think then, this channel and possibly others will finally begin to breathe |
| 00:48.52 | nsadmin | and there will be about 90% less need to take extreme operator actions |
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| 01:23.14 | macrobat | when playing dvds and cds (vlc, {s,}mplayer), the dvd/cd disk rotates much faster than it needs to. it's noisy. can i control the speed? |
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| 01:28.18 | Lumis | 9-11-2001 (American World Trade Center Bombing) was a US Government Psychological Opperation on the American public. 2 airplanes DO NOT CAUSE 3 BUILDINGS TO "IMPLODE" (CONTROLED DEMOLITION IS OBVIOUS TO ANYONE with Sence) the objective, to get the heard of midless following Americans to back wars in the middle east, to skyrocket stock of military industry, to expand oil industry. USA: THIS IS BAD |
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| 01:29.46 | macrobat | yes |
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| 01:29.52 | macrobat | thanks for pointing that out, it is also offtopic |
| 01:30.09 | macrobat | nvm, nothing much is happening here... |
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| 01:30.48 | HermanDE | What is really wrong with expanding the oil industry? |
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| 01:31.05 | HermanDE | I want the oil industry to be much bigger than it is today. |
| 01:31.10 | macrobat | it makes the trolls rich |
| 01:31.32 | jordanm | please, this is not the appropriate place for political discussion |
| 01:31.39 | HermanDE | I sleep, eat, drive and play with oil based products. |
| 01:32.19 | beardy | It really isn't. |
| 01:32.19 | HermanDE | Ok... Back to the urth.... |
| 01:32.25 | beardy | IRC isn't, but most of all not here. |
| 01:32.35 | jpinx-eeepc | points HermanDE towardss a welcoming #debian-offtopic |
| 01:32.53 | jordanm | beardy: there is #polotics |
| 01:32.57 | macrobat | there is #politics |
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| 01:33.11 | jpinx-eeepc | there is #devnull |
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| 01:33.24 | HermanDE | Anybody with a good idea for doing an SASL bind to OpenLDAP. The SASL authentication data would originate from a Soap Server. |
| 01:34.00 | HermanDE | Or just simply doing a bind to OpenLDAP with the authentication data originating from a Web Service.... |
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| 01:38.44 | macrobat | ha, i found eject -x can set cd drive speed :D |
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| 01:45.40 | evilgeenius | Why is debian better than ubuntu? is it better? |
| 01:46.21 | amphi | !why debian |
| 01:46.22 | dpkg | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ (archived at http://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian) http://www.aboutdebian.com/ . As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian. |
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| 01:48.01 | evilgeenius | haha, ok |
| 01:48.43 | evilgeenius | Why better than ubuntu though? |
| 01:49.15 | amphi | hasn't used ubuntu |
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| 01:50.12 | macrobat | evilgeenius: try them out, put them through a series of tests, then you decide |
| 01:51.05 | evilgeenius | macrobat: well i've been using ubuntu for a couple of years now and was wondering if there are any good reasons to start using debian. |
| 01:52.09 | amphi | 'No, Mma Ramotswe. I was going to say: there are unpleasant brown stains all over the floor, and also a smell. I wondered if you perhaps had trod in some ubuntu? The Tlokweng Road is covered in it today. |
| 01:52.23 | macrobat | 1) i like this channel |
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| 01:56.07 | evilgeenius | eh? |
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| 01:57.17 | macrobat | and i like the forums |
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| 01:57.34 | musca | !choice |
| 01:57.34 | dpkg | well, choice is consists of that mental process of thinking involved with the process of judging the merits of multiple options and selecting one for action. Simple examples can involve deciding whether to get up in the morning or go back to sleep, or selecting a given route to make a journey across a country. Philosophically, having choice implies the existence of free will and the antithesis of fate, chance and predestination. |
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| 01:58.16 | macrobat | the debian vs ubuntu question is one of those questions often regarded as flamebait |
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| 01:58.44 | evilgeenius | im not trying to start a war, i was just wondering... |
| 01:59.03 | evilgeenius | i am not going to argue with anything said |
| 02:00.16 | jordanm | !tell evilgeenius about why debian |
| 02:00.35 | macrobat | he has been told allready :D |
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| 02:03.09 | jordanm | macrobat: yeah, but it didn't look like he spent time reading the links :) |
| 02:03.39 | macrobat | evilgeenius: hang around a bit, peruse the forums, maybe you'll see differences. or just give debian a partition on your hdd |
| 02:04.16 | JasonWoof | chromium is showing a yellow dot on the wrench menu, and an "update chromium" menu item. Is that a bug? |
| 02:04.42 | jordanm | JasonWoof: does the button work? |
| 02:04.48 | JasonWoof | I think updates should come through the package manager, and I don't want my chromium pinging google to see if there are updates |
| 02:06.00 | jordanm | JasonWoof: agreed. what version is it? |
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| 02:06.16 | evilgeenius | I guess i should have just gone to debian's wikipedia page for an answer like that |
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| 02:06.50 | JasonWoof | chromium-browser 6.0.472.63~r59945-1 |
| 02:06.51 | jordanm | evilgeenius: no, I like this link in particular: http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
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| 02:07.00 | jordanm | ,versions chromium-browser |
| 02:07.03 | judd | Package chromium-browser on i386 -- squeeze: 6.0.472.62~r59676-1; sid: 6.0.472.63~r59945-1; experimental: 7.0.544.0~r61416-1 |
| 02:07.04 | JasonWoof | (the latest in debian unstable |
| 02:07.47 | evilgeenius | jordanm: i already use ubuntu, so why linux is not so important |
| 02:08.03 | jordanm | JasonWoof: thats targetted for release. if the built-in update does in fact allow you to upgrade the software outside of the package manager, I would file a RC |
| 02:08.21 | jordanm | evilgeenius: sounds like you haven't read it |
| 02:08.29 | nsadmin | not so important? ubuntu uses linux, so essentially it's essential.... |
| 02:08.30 | evilgeenius | jordanm: true |
| 02:08.47 | evilgeenius | nsadmin: i.e. I have already chosen linux |
| 02:09.24 | nsadmin | cool, and noone has "helped" you to come to that decision? |
| 02:09.29 | JasonWoof | jordanm: You're suggesting that I click the "update chromium" think, and file a release critical bug if it succeeds in upgrading? |
| 02:09.31 | jordanm | nsadmin: but ubuntu ideology, communities, and release models are totally different... |
| 02:09.42 | evilgeenius | nsadmin: no |
| 02:09.44 | jordanm | JasonWoof: yes |
| 02:09.47 | macrobat | haha, i cant see youtubevideos in iceweasel without switching user agent :D |
| 02:09.55 | JasonWoof | jordanm: ok, will do. Thanks |
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| 02:10.27 | jordanm | JasonWoof: those things are removed from say, icedove for a reason |
| 02:10.49 | jordanm | s/say/for example/ |
| 02:11.06 | nsadmin | evilgeenius, and you understand that often means you would put your own effort into your understanding of it? |
| 02:11.26 | JasonWoof | jordanm: oh! hehe, false allarm. I clicked the "update chromium" thing and it said something like "chromium is out of date because it hasn't restarted in a while". and had a "restart" button |
| 02:11.29 | evilgeenius | I think i need to learn how drivers in linux work, i really have no idea. Things just generally work and I've only once had to install a custom driver from somewhere, but even then I didnt know what i was doing. |
| 02:11.47 | JasonWoof | there was a chromium update through aptitude in the last couple days that I forgot about |
| 02:11.56 | evilgeenius | nsadmin: yeah but sometimes though you just want other peoples opinions |
| 02:11.57 | JasonWoof | Apparently I hadn't restarted since then. |
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| 02:12.08 | JasonWoof | All is well with chromium. It wasn't trying to update outside the package manager |
| 02:12.13 | JasonWoof | sorry for the paranoia |
| 02:12.16 | WormFood | does anyone know what package has chinese fonts for x11 in debian stable? (I've searched and searched and I'll be damned if I can find them with 'aptitude search' under any name that makes sense) |
| 02:12.28 | evilgeenius | nsadmin: you know, talking to other people, finding out what they know. communication. |
| 02:12.51 | JasonWoof | I really wish there was a "..." at the end of the "update chromium" menu item though, to indicate that it's going to ask me first before it really does anything. |
| 02:13.31 | nsadmin | sometimes this "talking to other people" can mean "asking them about something they have talked to others about for hours for the past 10 years" |
| 02:13.49 | evilgeenius | lol, ok |
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| 02:14.22 | nsadmin | evilgeenius: just so you know why you might encounter resistance, and encouragement to seek discussions that have been previously archived |
| 02:14.27 | cch | after just dist-upgrade to tesing, the browser flashplay plugin has problem to use sound device simutaneously with problem, something output to syslog: alsa-sink.c: Error opening PCM device front:0: Device or resource busy; pulseaudio[2401]: alsa-sink.c: ALSA woke us up to write new data to the device, but there was actually nothing to write! |
| 02:14.27 | cch | Oct 23 09:05:32 comex pulseaudio[2401]: alsa-sink.c: Most likely this is a bug in the ALSA driver 'snd_hda_intel'. Please report this issue to the ALSA developers. |
| 02:14.27 | cch | Oct 23 09:05:32 comex pulseaudio[2401]: alsa-sink.c: We were woken up with POLLOUT set -- however a subsequent snd_pcm_avail() returned 0 or another value < min_avail. |
| 02:14.39 | cch | any suggestions ? |
| 02:14.43 | cch | thanx |
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| 02:15.20 | WormFood | cch, I suggest you don't copy/paste long things like that to the channel....use pastebin, as mentioned in the topic |
| 02:15.57 | nsadmin | cch: I suggest you place your question and everything you know so far (log entries, commands tried, results, etc) into a text file |
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| 02:16.05 | cch | ok sorry |
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| 02:16.27 | darkkrai | anyone know of an overclocking irc channel? |
| 02:16.41 | WormFood | Does anyone know what package has chinese fonts for x11 in debian stable? |
| 02:16.59 | nsadmin | when you learn something new, add it to the file... when you want to ask questions, you can offer the file, and info you get back would in turn be added to the file |
| 02:17.13 | jordanm | JasonWoof: ah, that is actually a nice feature then |
| 02:17.30 | JasonWoof | jordanm: yeah! now I feel silly for worrying |
| 02:17.45 | nsadmin | after you solve the problem, you write up what the solution you used, and add that to the file as well, then collect the file into your linux installation journal |
| 02:18.42 | macrobat | darkkrai: maybe #hardware knows better |
| 02:19.15 | jordanm | WormFood: did you try something like aptitude search '~dchinese~dfont'? |
| 02:19.31 | WormFood | jordanm, I've searched for "chinese" and came back with nothing |
| 02:19.52 | WormFood | I've searched for "zh", which the the country code for china, and all I get is stuff for openoffice...that is it. |
| 02:20.03 | jordanm | WormFood: ~dchinese? |
| 02:20.16 | jordanm | use the query I suggested... |
| 02:20.48 | jordanm | it gives about 15 results, all appearing to be chinese fonts |
| 02:20.48 | WormFood | no, I didn't type it as you said. |
| 02:21.10 | cch | so sorry for flooding. my problem is that after dist-upgrade to testing, browser flashplay plugin has problem to use sound device simutaneously with other program. the related syslog is posted at http://paste.debian.net/97729/. |
| 02:21.58 | nsadmin | no problem; the keep-a-file idea offered in service. |
| 02:22.32 | cch | WormFood: ttf-arphic-* |
| 02:23.15 | WormFood | god damn it! I found NOTHING when I "aptitude search ttf"...what is the syntax to make it give me what is in the database? |
| 02:23.37 | cch | aptitude search arphic* |
| 02:23.37 | cch | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:23.50 | jordanm | sigh |
| 02:23.59 | jordanm | right, ignore me and my aptitude-fu |
| 02:24.02 | cch | WormFood: add a star * |
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| 02:25.31 | jordanm | cch: if "ttf*" matches a filename, then it would be included in the query |
| 02:25.59 | jordanm | cch: aptitude search "arphic*", would also be incorrect, unless you expecting the next letter to be a "c", since its regex |
| 02:26.32 | evilgeenius | Is there a debian script anywhere I can use that will backup/rsync all the files from a debian sysytem, so that I could just rsync them back onto a fresh install of debian and be working as I was? |
| 02:26.33 | WormFood | why are the packages that are supposed to be there not there? |
| 02:26.48 | jordanm | WormFood: like what? |
| 02:26.58 | WormFood | i've been working with debian for years, but I never understood how apt/aptitude could get so fucked like this. |
| 02:27.15 | WormFood | jordanm, lots and lots of packages are not listed |
| 02:27.21 | WormFood | for example, chinese fonts |
| 02:27.24 | jordanm | evilgeenius: no, that will always require atleast a little manual work, such as an /etc/fstab edit |
| 02:27.40 | WormFood | the only thing I get when I search for anything related to chinese is openoffice |
| 02:27.49 | jordanm | WormFood: why are you ignoring the fucking query I told you to use? |
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| 02:28.05 | cch | jordam: aptitude search arphic* does work for me. and you are right add quotes to avoid filename match |
| 02:28.07 | WormFood | jordanm, because it does not work...I did try it |
| 02:28.25 | macrobat | worksforme⢠|
| 02:28.32 | evilgeenius | jordanm: I have a vps system id like to backup so I can restore it onto an fresh debian if needed |
| 02:28.38 | macrobat | i like "packagesearch" |
| 02:28.50 | nsadmin | cch yeah, the adding quotes thing is so that the shell doesn't interpret the something* |
| 02:29.11 | jordanm | WormFood: http://paste.debian.net/97730/ |
| 02:29.13 | macrobat | i had to \escape the ~ in zsh |
| 02:29.16 | mordocai | WormFood: It only works with aptitude search, not apt-cache search. |
| 02:29.26 | mordocai | WormFood: Just in case that is what you were doing |
| 02:29.43 | WormFood | no mordocai, I've been using aptitude |
| 02:30.09 | mordocai | WormFood: Well maybe you'll be able to use jordanm's search results to get what you need. |
| 02:30.18 | WormFood | it does not work |
| 02:30.25 | jordanm | WormFood: I posted the results |
| 02:30.31 | WormFood | this is a fresh install of debian stable, and there are no chinese fonts listed |
| 02:30.32 | jordanm | you are going to make me go crazy |
| 02:30.50 | WormFood | I need to ssh into the machine, and I can't even install the god damn ssh server, because it is not in the package list! |
| 02:30.58 | WormFood | this shit is really pissing me off....what the fuck is going on? |
| 02:31.56 | mordocai | Pastebin your sources.list? |
| 02:32.07 | cch | WormFood: just install ttf-arphic-ukai ttf-arphic-uming |
| 02:32.23 | cch | WormFood: that's all |
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| 02:32.41 | mordocai | And you did do apt-get update/aptitude update first, correct? |
| 02:32.55 | WormFood | of course...too many times. |
| 02:33.14 | jordanm | WormFood: whats going on is you spend months of using debian and still don't have a clue what you are doing |
| 02:33.35 | stew | lets keep it constructive... |
| 02:33.50 | mordocai | But yeah, i'd say show us a pastebin of your sources.list. Maybe it is messed up somehow |
| 02:33.57 | jordanm | right, sorry. I was just getting a bit more agrevated than usual |
| 02:34.01 | stew | and/or the output of "apt-cache policy" |
| 02:34.07 | WormFood | hi stew, do you have any clue what is going on? why are my packages not showing up in the list on a fresh install of stable? |
| 02:34.13 | cch | WormFood: so what is the result after you aptitude install those two package |
| 02:34.32 | stew | WormFood: hi, show us the output of "apt-cache policy" and/or your sources.list |
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| 02:35.03 | stew | if i'm going to make a wild guess it is "security mirror with no full repository mirror" |
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| 02:35.31 | WormFood | stew, you're probably right....but I need to walk to the other machine, since I can't install the damn ssh server (because it isn't on the list) |
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| 02:40.13 | evilgeenius | Does debian have anything like zfs? |
| 02:40.29 | evilgeenius | Are there any plans for anything like it? |
| 02:40.50 | cast | evilgeenius: debian *has* ZFS |
| 02:41.08 | cast | evilgeenius: and there's also btrfs |
| 02:41.11 | macrobat | there is btrfs in the newer kernels, that's not debian specific |
| 02:41.50 | evilgeenius | oh for some reason i though only solaris/bsd had zfs, aren't there licensing issues or something? |
| 02:42.18 | qq- | !zfs |
| 02:42.18 | dpkg | ZFS (originally Zettabyte File System) is a file system / logical volume manager developed by Sun Microsystems (http://deb.li/7xXU). The Debian GNU/kFreeBSD kernel since 7.2 has ZFS support, the userland utilities are packaged as zfsutils in testing. A <FUSE> implementation for Debian GNU/Linux systems is in zfs-fuse. For ZFS on Squeeze, see http://deb.li/i4JhI . http://zfs-fuse.net/ #zfs-fuse on irc.freenode.net. |
| 02:43.03 | evilgeenius | ah zfs-fuse.. I read somewhere that fuse was crap, is that true? |
| 02:43.18 | evilgeenius | Though i have no idea what fuse is |
| 02:43.29 | nevyn | filesystems in userspace |
| 02:43.30 | evilgeenius | I just heard it wasn't taken seriously |
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| 02:44.10 | WormFood | why does debian do this? install and not select a mirror or some sane settings? This isn't the first time this has happened before, but it is frustrating. I copied my apt/sources from another working install to my problem machine...update and everything is as normal...thanks stew for the help |
| 02:44.57 | macrobat | you have to pick a good mirror :D |
| 02:45.19 | WormFood | it didn't pick any mirror on this install....and I'm fairly sure I didn't tell it not to use a mirror |
| 02:46.14 | macrobat | i like to know what's in my sources.list |
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| 02:47.16 | stew | WormFood: it asks you to select a mirror after it asks you for a root password / create a user |
| 02:47.31 | stew | unless you did an expert install |
| 02:47.54 | WormFood | but why does this one not have a mirror selected? I didn't do an expert install (at least, I don't remember doing that) |
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| 02:48.04 | WormFood | doesn't it pretty much force you to select a mirror? |
| 02:48.37 | stew | WormFood: sources.list was completely empty? |
| 02:49.06 | WormFood | I just installed stable last night, but didn't experiment with the mirror selection screens to see how they acted....but it looked like it was pretty much forcing me to select a mirror, but maybe I overlooked something |
| 02:49.10 | stew | oh, actually I don't know what happens if you use CD1 instead of a netinst |
| 02:49.15 | WormFood | no it had stuff in it, but no mirrors |
| 02:49.59 | WormFood | stew, that is exactly what happened. I couldn't find my netinst (I need to setup booting over the network...I have my system setup like that in usa, and it installs debian like a dream) |
| 02:50.54 | WormFood | I thought I had a netinstall cd/usb floating around, but I didn't find it last night when I went to install debian. (I'm setting up a new machine as a router, and tweaking my 2nd machine, which is where the problems were) |
| 02:51.08 | mordocai | I'm just curious why you didn't just check sources.list as soon as you hit problems.... especially if you've had problems before. |
| 02:51.36 | WormFood | I wasn't thinking |
| 02:52.10 | qq- | whine is easyer |
| 02:52.20 | WormFood | it should have been obviousl, but I just wasn't thinking...right now I'm starting to get sick, so that is probably clouding my mind |
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| 03:00.10 | WormFood | at the graphical login screen (default desktop install), there is an option to change the language....where are these additional languages? have they actually been implemented, or is that just there for others to use to add their own language support? |
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| 03:08.29 | sxp | hi, I installed alsa-base alsa-utils alsa-tools but I still don't have sound. I'm using Debian Squeeze. |
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| 03:09.08 | devas- | sxp use lspci and search for your card driver |
| 03:09.32 | sxp | I remember that there are a config utility called something like alsaconf |
| 03:09.49 | sxp | and that worked with this sound card |
| 03:10.37 | qq- | !alsaconf |
| 03:10.37 | dpkg | alsaconf is a formerly included <ALSA> configuration tool to detect sound cards. Removed from the alsa-utils package at version 1.0.17-1: "The only valid use-case for alsaconf is aiding the configuration of ISA sound cards." Ask me about <install alsa> and <alsa checklist>. See also http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-alsa/trunk/alsa-utils/debian/NEWS |
| 03:10.45 | qq- | !alsa checklist |
| 03:10.45 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
| 03:11.07 | qq- | sxp, ^^see alsa checklist for squeeze |
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| 03:24.40 | spaceninja | hi, can I run a 'live' enivornment with the ppc dvd iso? |
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| 03:25.14 | spaceninja | I need a live cd do backup some things on a mac |
| 03:25.33 | somiaj | the offical dvd's will give you some recovery tools, but last i knew they were not a full live enviroment like unbuntu or gentoo |
| 03:25.34 | jordanm | spaceninja: debian-live is a seperate project that does not support PPC |
| 03:25.42 | jordanm | I am not aware of any live distro that does |
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| 03:26.14 | jordanm | ah, well I guess the gentoo install cd would have to be live, since there is no installer |
| 03:26.38 | qq- | http://live.debian.net/cdimage/release/6.0_alpha2/powerpc/iso/debian-live-60alpha2-powerpc-rescue.iso |
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| 03:27.30 | qq- | http://live.debian.net/cdimage/release/6.0_alpha2/powerpc/iso/ |
| 03:28.46 | spaceninja | thanks |
| 03:28.53 | storkop | Still no ext4? |
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| 03:29.19 | qq- | storkop, sure in squeeze |
| 03:29.41 | qq- | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:30.02 | storkop | I'll just go with ext3 |
| 03:31.28 | spaceninja | qq-: do you know if the rescue iso contains gnome? |
| 03:31.35 | peterrooney | spaceninja: depending on the age of the mac, you might want to research the firewire 'Target' mode on macs |
| 03:32.22 | qq- | spaceninja, http://live.debian.net/cdimage/release/6.0_alpha2/powerpc/iso/debian-live-60alpha2-powerpc-gnome-desktop.iso |
| 03:32.29 | spaceninja | it's a powermac G4 |
| 03:32.49 | nsadmin | usually you would use the install media as rescue media... |
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| 03:33.01 | nsadmin | it may or may not have gnome packages on it |
| 03:33.03 | qq- | spaceninja, rescue no , but -gnome-desktop.iso yes |
| 03:33.13 | spaceninja | ok thanks |
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| 03:34.22 | nsadmin | it's unimportant and irrelevent for rescue media to have gnome or x or graphics of any kind... what it needs to have is the ability to boot your installation, and failing booting, to fix problems |
| 03:35.16 | pasky | Hi! Is there a good way to make cpufreq init scripts in lenny do echo 0 >/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu$i/cpufreq/ondemand/ignore_nice_load ? (without just sticking that in, which will create upgrade troubles) |
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| 03:40.06 | spaceninja | peterrooney: did some reading about it, sounds interesting |
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| 03:45.14 | karlpinc | pasky: Submit a wishlist bug report, with patch if you like. |
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| 03:48.41 | karlpinc | pasky: Or look for a sysctl to set. |
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| 03:51.16 | z1y | Hello. I have a Intel 3420 server which supports fakeraid (intel matrix.) After configuring raid in BIOS, Debian Lenny installer still see two phsycial disks. Is there something wrong? |
| 03:51.49 | jordanm | z1y: yes, you are trying to use fakeraid, which is highly not recommended |
| 03:52.19 | jordanm | you gain next to no benefit, with the downside being if you need a matching board with that fakeraid chipset should something ever happen to the one you have |
| 03:53.20 | z1y | jordanm: Thank you :) How about software raid? I am afraid that when using software raid, the boot process may be complex. |
| 03:53.22 | jordanm | hardware raid has the same issue of needing an identical card should one go bad, but can offer very nice performance increases or reduced CPU load for raid actions |
| 03:53.47 | jordanm | z1y: software raid is fine. you can only use raid1 for /boot however |
| 03:54.33 | z1y | jordanm: I see. Thank you very much. Googling :) |
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| 03:58.20 | jordanm | z1y: I have not looked specifically, but I am betting there is decent raid info in the installation guide |
| 03:58.23 | jordanm | !install guide |
| 03:58.23 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.6) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
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| 03:59.17 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | I am planning to contribute to Debian by means of testing packages and reporting bugs in Testing Branch . Do they solve the "serious" issues for the next stable release? |
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| 04:03.09 | jordanm | spaceninja: serious, grave, critical, and sometimes important |
| 04:03.15 | jordanm | sh4d3sl4y3r_: ^ |
| 04:03.27 | z1y | jordanm: I've found the RAID setion in Installation Guide. Thank you :) I am going to be offline for my Debian Installation. See you . |
| 04:03.44 | jordanm | sh4d3sl4y3r_: the first 3 *must* be solved, or specifically ignored or the next release will not release with that software |
| 04:03.45 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | jordanm : ^ is a syntax of BTS? :P |
| 04:04.00 | jordanm | sh4d3sl4y3r_: those are bug severities |
| 04:04.17 | jordanm | sh4d3sl4y3r_: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer#severities |
| 04:04.27 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | thanks man |
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| 04:05.37 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | used Debian for a while now .. thought of contributing in a way i am capable of |
| 04:06.16 | jordanm | sh4d3sl4y3r_: that is how I first started my involvement, and do quite a bit of it still |
| 04:07.00 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | : ) |
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| 04:07.38 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i guess bug reporting is good as of now . As i cant maintain a package. I would love to maintain a package called gyachi a yahoo messenger replacement later on |
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| 04:09.04 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | Hmm i see a change of update policy during this squeeze freeze than it had during lenny . |
| 04:09.37 | jordanm | sh4d3sl4y3r_: policy is constantly being ammended |
| 04:09.41 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | there is a built in support for nouveau if i am correct |
| 04:09.44 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | :) cool |
| 04:09.55 | jordanm | yep |
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| 04:10.26 | jordanm | sh4d3sl4y3r_: although, it is best to do this from sid, so if something really broken gets uploaded, you can file a bug which will prevent it from ever migrating to testing |
| 04:10.57 | jordanm | AFAIK, only debian gives users/testers this kind of control :) |
| 04:11.03 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | : ) |
| 04:11.42 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | are you a developer? |
| 04:12.17 | jordanm | sh4d3sl4y3r_: also, right now, everything uploaded to sid is intended to migrate to testing for the stable release |
| 04:12.50 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | yes i can see rapid updates . |
| 04:13.00 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | what is experimental used as? upstream packages? |
| 04:13.11 | jordanm | sh4d3sl4y3r_: no, I am still working on my first package, which is quite a difficult one however. testing -> patch submitting -> packaging |
| 04:13.19 | jordanm | still in the transitional stage I suppose :) |
| 04:13.30 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | :) |
| 04:13.33 | jordanm | sh4d3sl4y3r_: currently experimental packages are targetting wheezy |
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| 04:13.56 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | oh next to next release already |
| 04:13.57 | jordanm | any time outside of the freeze, experimental is just like a playground for the devs |
| 04:14.02 | jordanm | yes |
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| 04:14.29 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | anytime out of the freeze sid can be a nightmare. specially the metapackages keep on breaking |
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| 04:17.52 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | jordanm : why is it the recent daily testbuilds 1st cd has gnome and x contained but tasksel wont list "Desktop Environment" during installation ? |
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| 04:23.26 | jkjkklj | how to convert source from proprietary debian format to normal one on non-debian system? |
| 04:24.43 | Hydroxide | jkjkklj: just untar the .orig.tar.gz |
| 04:24.45 | Hydroxide | jkjkklj: that's it |
| 04:24.57 | jkjkklj | Hydroxide: and patches?? |
| 04:25.06 | Hydroxide | jkjkklj: if you want the debian patches, they're in the .diff.gz as a gzip-compressed diff |
| 04:25.13 | Hydroxide | jkjkklj: not all that proprietary :) |
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| 04:25.32 | Hydroxide | jkjkklj: those can be applied with zcat filename.diff.gz | patch -p1 from the extracted directory |
| 04:25.46 | jordanm | sh4d3sl4y3r_: don't know, I thought all the daily builds were netinst |
| 04:26.06 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | they come in CD's and DVD's too |
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| 04:26.26 | jkjkklj | thabks |
| 04:26.28 | qq- | not daily |
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| 04:26.37 | jordanm | err weekly |
| 04:26.41 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | weekly ya |
| 04:26.45 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | sorry wrong syntax |
| 04:26.46 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | :P |
| 04:27.02 | jordanm | sh4d3sl4y3r_: upgrades is something nice to test as well, see the upgrade-reports bug package |
| 04:27.16 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | ok sure |
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| 04:28.07 | jordanm | sh4d3sl4y3r_: specifically gnome and kde systems are the most likely to have upgrade troubles that need to be reported |
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| 04:41.53 | Scabdates | I had an apache2 installation running on my debian machine that installed using apt-get. I wanted to reinstall apache, so I used apt-get to remove it as well. I also went through and deleted the config files for apache so as to get a completely fresh install. When I try to use apt-get it now is not installing apache properly. It tells me that it's going to use up about 100 kilobytes of space |
| 04:41.53 | Scabdates | and then it says it installed, but apache isn't running and there are no apache config files located anywhere on the machine (that I can find). How can I get apache to work with apt-get again?\ |
| 04:42.39 | jordanm | !confmiss |
| 04:42.39 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>. |
| 04:43.02 | jordanm | Scabdates: in the future, let purge delete your configuration files |
| 04:43.15 | jordanm | or even better, figure out how you misconfigured it instead of starting over |
| 04:44.11 | jordanm | also.. |
| 04:44.16 | jordanm | !tell Scabdates about why aptitude |
| 04:44.32 | WormFood | agrees with everything jordanm said |
| 04:44.45 | Scabdates | reads |
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| 04:46.55 | Scabdates | jordanm: Followed those instructions, but it's still not working. Here's a pastebin of the output I'm getting: http://pastebin.com/62vZkdVD |
| 04:47.13 | Scabdates | Also, I'll most definitely keep your advice about aptitude in mind |
| 04:48.01 | jordanm | Scabdates: but your not using it anyways :) |
| 04:48.31 | jordanm | Scabdates: wrong package. that ones doesn't include the configuration files |
| 04:49.23 | Scabdates | I actually realized that and I used aptitude on the second attempt, I just didn't pastebin that because it gave the same output. And I suppose I'll have to google that bit :p |
| 04:49.59 | storkop | I didn't know about confmiss. That's handy for broken systems. |
| 04:50.16 | storkop | I should get this down on paper (.txt) somewhere. |
| 04:50.48 | qq- | channel logs: http://bit.ly/DebFNDLog < storkop |
| 04:51.35 | Scabdates | jordanm: I'm searching through aptitude and I'm not seeing any packages that stand out as what I'm looking for. Any advice here? |
| 04:51.57 | jordanm | Scabdates: dpkg -S <one of the configuration files> |
| 04:52.16 | jordanm | I could give the answer, but then you don't learn as much :) |
| 04:53.48 | Scabdates | damn you :p I don't even know what I'm missing |
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| 04:53.49 | Scabdates | googles |
| 04:55.01 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | jordanm: how do I disable nouveau if i need to use the proprietary nvidia driver? or I don't have to ? |
| 04:55.09 | jordanm | Scabdates: /etc/apache2/ports.conf |
| 04:55.27 | jordanm | sh4d3sl4y3r_: the package installation for the nvidia drivers handles it |
| 04:55.41 | jordanm | sh4d3sl4y3r_: test the new -dkms stuff |
| 04:55.41 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | ok thanks |
| 04:56.30 | Scabdates | jordanm: but that folder doesn't even exist when I try to install apache |
| 04:56.31 | storkop | What would, from a #debian denizens's perspective, be the advantages of using Debian (stable) over Ubuntu server? ... it's more stable? |
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| 04:57.39 | jordanm | Scabdates: dpkg -S /etc/apache2/ports.conf |
| 04:57.54 | jordanm | !tell storkop about why debian |
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| 05:02.23 | storkop | _Most_ of these arguments seem to apply to Ubuntu as well (if I remember correctly they base Ubuntu off debian testing before freezing it and doing "some stuff"). Ubuntu has some proprietary stuff (which I happen not to care about, I just want things to work well). hrm. |
| 05:02.35 | Scabdates | !tell Scabdates about why debian |
| 05:03.01 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | storkop : ubuntu is based on Debian unstable sources not testing |
| 05:03.16 | storkop | ok |
| 05:03.17 | jordanm | storkop: I don't think that they do. and yes, its synced from unstable |
| 05:03.55 | storkop | The community is better though. Not as much extreme newbity. |
| 05:04.28 | jordanm | storkop: specifically, I don't feel the "well tested" part applies to ubuntu |
| 05:04.34 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | storkop : then make our community better |
| 05:05.02 | jordanm | it gets less than 6mos of testing and refining from a much smaller set of users (who use their beta versions) |
| 05:05.23 | storkop | Yeah, I have to agree on that. The release cycles are predictable but probably too frequent. |
| 05:05.40 | storkop | I usually stay on the LTS releases for a good while. |
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| 05:06.08 | jordanm | anyways, this typically isn't the place for this type of discussion. this is the support channel. |
| 05:06.15 | storkop | All right. |
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| 05:06.42 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | storkop : on the contrary note both these distributions have different philosophies. move to #debian-offtopic |
| 05:07.55 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | !tell storkop about dfsg |
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| 05:10.44 | roe | Anyone happen to know if the Apache Directory Studio is packaged? a quick apt-cache search doesn't seem to reveal anything, but I might not be searching well |
| 05:11.23 | nsadmin | packages.debian.org? |
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| 05:18.06 | roe | nsadmin, yes that was included in my rudimentary search |
| 05:19.26 | Scabdates | jordanm: now my apache is serving up any PHP files as "download" without any extension :( |
| 05:19.37 | Scabdates | but PHP5 is installed most certainly |
| 05:21.25 | jordanm | !php wants me to download still |
| 05:21.25 | dpkg | The usual problem is your browser caching the content, so make sure you cleared your browser cache and restarted your browser and also verify that it's still a problem outside of your browser using wget, GET, curl, telnet, netcat etc. Do make sure you have carefully read <install php> and /usr/share/doc/php*-common/README.Debian.gz as well as many common problems are addressed. See also http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/PHPDownload |
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| 05:22.31 | thepro4ever | whats a good movie player that will play most files??? there is a movie player app that came with debian but for some reason it can't open this wmv, most wmv it can open but not all |
| 05:22.53 | Scabdates | thepro4ever: mplayer |
| 05:22.57 | jordanm | vlc |
| 05:23.48 | thepro4ever | i have vlc right now but it seems to only play audio |
| 05:24.30 | jordanm | ,versions vlc |
| 05:24.32 | judd | Package vlc on i386 -- etch: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch3; etch-security: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch3; lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2; lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2.3; sid: 1.1.3-1; squeeze: 1.1.3-1; experimental: 1.1.4-1 |
| 05:24.53 | jordanm | try mplayer from DMM, I hadn't used vlc since it was removed from DMM |
| 05:24.55 | jordanm | !dmm |
| 05:24.55 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>. |
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| 05:29.48 | Scabdates | jordanm: seems I'm supposed to have a libphp5.so file inside of /etc/apache2/modules |
| 05:29.53 | Scabdates | no such file exists :O |
| 05:30.36 | jordanm | Scabdates: no, /etc/apache2/mods-available |
| 05:31.07 | jordanm | from the libapache2-mod-php5 package |
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| 05:32.18 | Scabdates | jordanm: it's not in there, i tried running aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 and it suggested it was already installed, should i try to remove it and purge it and then reinstall it? |
| 05:32.43 | Scabdates | no nevermind, when i try to remove it it says that module php5 does not exist |
| 05:33.06 | jordanm | Scabdates: huh? |
| 05:33.21 | Scabdates | no php module inside of mods-available |
| 05:34.34 | jordanm | Scabdates: maybe you shouldn't have manually deleted it |
| 05:34.54 | jordanm | Scabdates: and anyways, it should be a .conf and .load |
| 05:34.59 | jordanm | not the actual .so |
| 05:35.34 | Scabdates | you are right and indeed, i realized that from what you told me |
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| 05:35.50 | Scabdates | however, now that it is gone, what is the proper course of action? |
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| 05:36.40 | jordanm | Scabdates: reinstall the php5 packages using confmiss |
| 05:37.00 | jordanm | and any other module configuration file you rm'ed |
| 05:37.16 | Scabdates | is a failure |
| 05:37.46 | jordanm | you know for next time :) |
| 05:39.35 | thepro4ever | yeah mplayer works |
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| 05:41.43 | Scabdates | point for scabdates! |
| 05:42.15 | Scabdates | jordanm: reinstalled php5 with confmiss but the config file still isn't there |
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| 05:45.02 | jordanm | Scabdates: php5 is not a real package |
| 05:45.10 | jordanm | Scabdates: libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 05:45.42 | jordanm | ,file /etc/apache2/mods-available/php5.conf |
| 05:45.45 | judd | /etc/apache2/mods-available/php5.conf in lenny/i386: libapache2-mod-php5: etc/apache2/mods-available/php5.conf |
| 05:46.04 | Scabdates | jordanm: success :) |
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| 05:55.51 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | starpar : service(s) returned failure : kerneloops ... failed ! |
| 05:55.59 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | any serious issue? |
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| 05:56.32 | jordanm | is starpar your hostname? where did the error come from? |
| 05:56.49 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | no its not my hostname. it came during bootup before gdm3 appears |
| 05:56.51 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | no issues though |
| 05:57.07 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | *startpar |
| 05:57.23 | jordanm | ,info startpar |
| 05:57.26 | judd | No record of package 'startpar' in lenny/i386. |
| 05:57.37 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | squeeze? |
| 05:57.53 | jordanm | ,file startpar --release squeeze |
| 05:57.56 | judd | startpar in squeeze/i386: sysvinit-utils: sbin/startpar |
| 05:58.15 | jordanm | sh4d3sl4y3r_: check dmesg for indication of what the oops was |
| 05:58.32 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | ok |
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| 06:25.42 | cast | curious |
| 06:26.09 | karlpinc | Oops. I mean it's a Ralink RT2070L |
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| 06:28.31 | jordanm | !rt2870 |
| 06:28.31 | dpkg | rt2870sta is the vendor driver for Ralink 802.11n/g USB (RT2070, RT2770, RT2870, RT3070, RT3071, RT3072) wireless LAN devices, included as a staging driver (amd64, i386 only) in Debian 2.6.32 kernel images. Firmware is required, ask me about <ralink firmware> to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/rt2870sta . For device use on other architectures, ask me about <rt2800usb>. |
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| 06:31.04 | kz6090 | Here's a vague and possibly vapid question. Is a wired connection safer than a wireless one? |
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| 06:31.51 | CountDuckula | Heres another vague question - how long is a piece of string |
| 06:32.11 | kz6090 | too many vaiables, huh? |
| 06:32.18 | kz6090 | variables* |
| 06:32.34 | cast | kz6090: yes |
| 06:32.46 | cast | kz6090: unless it gets wrapped around your neck or testicles |
| 06:32.54 | cast | kz6090: if that's likely i'd go with wireless. |
| 06:33.00 | kz6090 | what are the variables? ... besides my balls? :) |
| 06:33.29 | cast | as far as security goes i'd rank it fibre -> copper -> wireless |
| 06:33.54 | CountDuckula | with wireless u will good security level - even wpa2 has been compromised |
| 06:34.33 | cast | the creators of wireless seem to have demonstrated incompetence for many years regarding security...i'd naturally be skeptical |
| 06:34.40 | CountDuckula | yes |
| 06:35.15 | cast | at least to break into a copper lan, you generally have to get physical access which is more difficult than physical access to wireless signals |
| 06:35.29 | CountDuckula | wired is better as a rule - physical security is not normally an issue |
| 06:35.41 | karlpinc | jordanm: Thanks. |
| 06:36.10 | cast | and you get faster connection speeds, by orders of magnitude, and in my experience much better reliability |
| 06:36.14 | CountDuckula | wired tends to be a faster and n=more stable connection too |
| 06:36.18 | kz6090 | physical access to a wireless signal = wardriving? |
| 06:36.27 | CountDuckula | yes |
| 06:36.30 | kz6090 | ah |
| 06:36.43 | cast | hell you don't even have to drive, i can pick up a few networks from my room |
| 06:36.50 | CountDuckula | and quite easy sometimes |
| 06:37.10 | karlpinc | Encrypt it all and let the devil take the laggards! |
| 06:37.19 | kz6090 | easy, provided you know how to create antennas? |
| 06:37.21 | cast | if you live in an apartment building in a CBD you can often get quite a few networks from your balcony |
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| 06:38.05 | kz6090 | cast: a "CBD"? |
| 06:38.15 | cast | central business district |
| 06:38.19 | kz6090 | ok |
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| 06:38.41 | cast | then there's all the screwing around with wireless cards |
| 06:38.44 | CountDuckula | on average i would say 10-15% of wireless AP's are totally insecured too |
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| 06:39.28 | karlpinc | kz6090: Buy very large chinese style wok strainer. Coat with tinfoil and place in sun to find focal point. Mount wirelss usb key at focal point. Remove tinfoil. Instant antenna. |
| 06:40.03 | CountDuckula | yes wok-fi |
| 06:40.08 | kz6090 | haha |
| 06:40.49 | kz6090 | Men stumble not over bull, but over bulls**t. :) |
| 06:41.09 | karlpinc | CountDuckula: Mine's not secured. I could care less. I don't pay by the bit. |
| 06:41.21 | CountDuckula | lol |
| 06:41.52 | CountDuckula | http://www.usbwifi.orconhosting.net.nz/ <-- some good examples of kiwi home-built |
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| 06:47.01 | storkop | It's illegal not to secure your wireless network here. |
| 06:47.35 | kz6090 | nice. "The unit can connect to wireless networks up to 1.5km away." |
| 06:47.41 | omg_onoez | and here my ISP supports its own torrent tracker with couple of hundred thousands users registered and full of illegal content |
| 06:47.46 | kz6090 | incredible. |
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| 06:49.13 | kz6090 | That's gotta be a false claim, right? This crappy Verizon Network Extender needs you within 31m of it to work. |
| 06:49.32 | BlackWeb | Does anyone know exactly what a usenet account is |
| 06:49.54 | kz6090 | google.com/groups -- usenet. :( |
| 06:50.03 | BlackWeb | from what I understand then its just an account that you can download files from servers is that right |
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| 06:50.16 | BlackWeb | or can you also download torrents |
| 06:50.29 | omg_onoez | hi, i'm going to install squeeze at my eee pc 901 that has two ssd storage units: 4GB and 16 GB, the first one is much more faster so i'm trying to figure out the best way of setting mount points in this case, cuz 16 gb for /home would be too much i think, any advices? |
| 06:51.07 | cast | i'd put / on the fast storage |
| 06:51.59 | storkop | 16GB too much for /home? Maybe relatively speaking, but even a 2 TB drive isn't "too much", IMO. |
| 06:52.25 | omg_onoez | i got 8 TB of raid at my desktop so i just don't need any space at netbook |
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| 06:52.39 | omg_onoez | soz 4 my english btw |
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| 06:53.58 | BlackWeb | has anyone used a Usenet account |
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| 06:55.47 | jordanm | omg_onoez: then do /usr fast storage / rest |
| 06:56.26 | omg_onoez | was thinking exactly of same think, thanks ) |
| 06:57.35 | BlackWeb | Can Usenet accounts download torrents or how do Usenet accounts work |
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| 06:59.02 | storkop | They give you access to a server where you can read text and also download binary content (files). |
| 06:59.11 | cast | BlackWeb: eh, perhaps google and experiment. we're not #usenethelpdesk ;) |
| 06:59.22 | cast | BlackWeb: pan is a nice usenet client |
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| 07:01.49 | BlackWeb | lol alright thanks |
| 07:02.40 | laust | hi all |
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| 07:04.00 | laust | I've installed proftpd because I'm used to it but see several howtos for debian for vsftpd, has anyone here hints of pros/cons for each? |
| 07:05.07 | cast | security is your main problem, and vsftpd doesn't have that problem |
| 07:05.11 | Jinko | buongiorno |
| 07:05.18 | cast | vsftpd is a very good ftpd :) |
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| 07:05.47 | laust | cast> i don't like getting too used to something so i think i'll try it |
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| 08:15.38 | laust | alright i have vsftpd running with pam for virtual users :-) Works nice but i can't figure out where to define each user's directory. I followed a howto where logins are created with htpasswd. Anyone knows? |
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| 08:47.12 | Fandekasp | hi |
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| 08:49.13 | Fandekasp | I would like to install mencoder in debian, but I can't find it with aptitude... Do you know how can I install it ? |
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| 08:51.50 | xand | !mencoder |
| 08:51.50 | dpkg | somebody said mencoder was in Debian from squeeze onwards and is also available from the debian-multimedia.org repositories, ask me about <dmm>. For usage instructions, see http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/mencoder.html and http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/encoding-guide.html . Also ask me about <mplayer faq>. |
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| 08:53.21 | Fandekasp | xand, I don't really understand. What should I do to install it ? |
| 08:54.00 | saac | Fandekasp, lenny? |
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| 08:54.27 | Fandekasp | how can I verify it ? |
| 08:54.37 | Fandekasp | uname -a doesn't show it |
| 08:55.22 | saac | As root do: echo "www.debian-multimedia.org lenny main contrib non-free" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; aptitude update; aptitude install mencoder |
| 08:56.12 | Fandekasp | saac I have lucid |
| 08:56.21 | saac | This is Debian... |
| 08:56.28 | Fandekasp | so same command where I change lenny by lucid ? |
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| 08:57.26 | Fandekasp | saac, what ? why did you say "This is Debian..." |
| 08:58.18 | saac | Are you using Debian or Ubuntu? |
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| 08:58.48 | Fandekasp | saac debian lucid |
| 08:58.59 | saac | You're funny. |
| 08:59.26 | saac | cat /etc/debian_version to know it. |
| 08:59.41 | Fandekasp | arf |
| 08:59.45 | Fandekasp | you're right O_O |
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| 09:00.13 | Fandekasp | it says : squeeze/sid |
| 09:00.32 | Fandekasp | no sorry saac |
| 09:00.46 | saac | Then mencoder is already present. |
| 09:00.51 | Fandekasp | I have misunderstood my vm under linux and my vm under debian |
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| 09:01.06 | Fandekasp | so I have lenny yes |
| 09:01.11 | Fandekasp | I do your command, sorry |
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| 09:04.14 | laust | Does anyone know why gallery2 is not even in testing? Most tutorials i find on the net are for gallery2 |
| 09:05.19 | Fandekasp | saac, I have a problem while trying to install mencoder : http://paste.pocoo.org/show/279106/ . I don't want it to remove all these packages, how should I do ? |
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| 09:09.13 | saac | I don't know... It seems you're mixing distributions... |
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| 09:09.50 | Fandekasp | saac my pastebin is from my debian |
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| 09:10.26 | saac | I mean Debian distributions. |
| 09:10.29 | Fandekasp | oh |
| 09:10.31 | Fandekasp | arf :( |
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| 09:12.08 | LinuxGuy2009 | I had to install a kernel from backports to get my system sound to work, and I accidentally did a system upgrade with the repo still enabled and it installed a bunch of other stuff from backports. Isn't that a bad idea to do? Can I disable backports and then run some command or use aptitude to downgrade all the packages on the system? |
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| 09:15.42 | Fandekasp | Thank you for your help saac |
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| 09:16.39 | Alvo | hi |
| 09:17.06 | Alvo | whats the windows software to show remote x desktop on ms-windows? |
| 09:17.23 | Alvo | with the x protocol |
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| 09:20.27 | bolt | xming? |
| 09:20.41 | bolt | think there's several |
| 09:20.41 | varlon | Alvo, do you want to use local X Server on Windows than you need some like X-Win32 or just look on remote server then you need some like ptnvc |
| 09:20.47 | cast | Alvo: thats not really a debian question, but hummingbird will work |
| 09:21.20 | cast | Alvo: can i suggest you replace the desktop with a free one :), most free OSes come with a x server |
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| 09:22.46 | Alvo | system is linux/debian/xwindows/kde |
| 09:22.48 | Alvo | ty |
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| 09:23.25 | saac | Alvo, x11vnc will do the work. |
| 09:24.15 | varlon | Alvo, you can connect to remote machine by ssh with enable key -X and just run kde. kde will attach you local machine by tunnel in ssh |
| 09:24.41 | varlon | X11Forward must be enabled |
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| 09:29.01 | Alvo | ill check xming first |
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| 09:29.59 | saac | laust, gallery2 is on Sid, you could use pinning. |
| 09:30.19 | ZitZ | hi everyone |
| 09:30.49 | laust | saac> i have not read only good stuff about pinning, was this just exaggeratly paranoid concerns? |
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| 09:32.00 | ZitZ | I'm trying to use nodm as my display manager since I'm the only user on this machine, but I get errors about not being able to copy the user's Xauthorization file, and not being able to start wicd as root, and I can't automatically mount disks in nautilus |
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| 09:33.47 | saac | laust, what bad stuff did you read? |
| 09:34.12 | saac | It seems safe to me. |
| 09:34.46 | cast | seems much less painful to install the odd app yourself somewhere out of the way of apt, rather than mix releases |
| 09:35.21 | laust | saac> that it was opening the door to a highly unstable system (like a pinned program would take in a new version of a dependancy that wouldn't work with another non-pinned program) |
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| 09:36.20 | saac | Maybe compiling it? |
| 09:37.38 | ZitZ | mixing testing and unstable really isn't a problem, it's mixing stable with testing and unstable that can occaissionally lead to problems |
| 09:37.55 | laust | well i'd rather stay with the older version than compiling :-) |
| 09:38.37 | cast | ZitZ: whats the difference between mixing stable with testing, and mixing frozen testing with unstable? |
| 09:39.23 | jelly-home | cast: depends on how long the freeze gets |
| 09:39.56 | ZitZ | pretty much |
| 09:40.14 | ZitZ | during freezes is when headaches start to happen for sure |
| 09:41.17 | ZitZ | poor english, lucky for me I have "perfect desktop" as they say, that do everything I want, so I'm good through the freeze, no need to upgrade for now |
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| 09:47.14 | tolland | i dont seem to be able to do cat something | xargs eval |
| 09:47.21 | tolland | its says eval doesn't exist |
| 09:47.27 | tolland | is there an alternative |
| 09:47.28 | tolland | ? |
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| 09:48.11 | super_anix | how can upgrade my card driver. nvidia-gforce-9400gt,. i am getting gcc error on kernel . while try to compileing it from Nvidia-256.44.run [downloaded from nvidia.com] |
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| 09:48.50 | cast | i wonder if it's because eval is a bash builtin |
| 09:48.51 | jelly-home | tolland: "source something" will make the current shell read the file and execute command in context of that shell |
| 09:49.35 | super_anix | also vdpau not working , and i can't play hd vid , dvd without vdpau. |
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| 09:49.59 | jelly-home | tolland: also ". something". http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide/Sourcing |
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| 09:50.42 | super_anix | current nvidia driver 195.36 |
| 09:50.42 | lxsameer__ | how can i get current drivers loaded for my box? |
| 09:51.21 | jelly-home | super_anix: btw isn't there a 256.53 now? |
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| 09:52.01 | super_anix | jelly, ya 260.xx |
| 09:52.11 | jelly-home | even newer |
| 09:52.12 | super_anix | but its ned gcc 4.6 |
| 09:52.19 | jelly-home | ah. |
| 09:52.39 | super_anix | its in ubuntu 10.10 repo |
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| 09:53.46 | super_anix | i just get want to rid of the 195 driver its buggy .. vdpau not working while its installed |
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| 09:55.42 | Deathvalley122 | o.o |
| 09:56.03 | Deathvalley122 | there's another ubuntu coming out? |
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| 09:56.23 | super_anix | ya.. |
| 09:56.33 | Deathvalley122 | that's bad ... |
| 09:57.25 | super_anix | as alowyes |
| 09:57.59 | jelly-home | they have a 6 month release schedule, it's retty much always coming out compared to Debian |
| 09:58.35 | Deathvalley122 | Ubuntu is gotten sooo bad .... |
| 09:59.13 | jelly-home | not worse than usual, but that's outside the scope of this particular channel |
| 09:59.14 | super_anix | debian fast and stable |
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| 10:01.06 | saac | super_anix, why don't you use it then? |
| 10:01.26 | Deathvalley122 | super_anix: I agree with you on that |
| 10:01.39 | Deathvalley122 | whens the released date on Squueze? |
| 10:01.47 | jelly-home | !wwsr |
| 10:01.47 | dpkg | Squeeze is now frozen and will release <WIR>, <SIYH>, perhaps by Christmas 2010 if you help ... http://lists.debian.org/20101005202925.GU4622@halon.org.uk. See http://lists.debian.org/20100806134418.GC9183@halon.org.uk and http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100806 . Ask me about <squeeze bet>, <guess the release date>. |
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| 10:01.51 | jelly-home | !wir |
| 10:01.51 | dpkg | well, wir is When It's Ready. See also <rsn> and <siyh>. |
| 10:02.03 | super_anix | saac, > System: Host agani Kernel 2.6.32-5-686 i686 (32 bit) Distro Debian GNU/Linux |
| 10:02.52 | Deathvalley122 | oh Christmas time okay |
| 10:03.01 | jelly-home | Deathvalley122: that's just a guess |
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| 10:03.19 | jelly-home | an educated one, but nevertheless |
| 10:03.50 | super_anix | saac, actually i am using it :D thats my desk http://imagebin.org/119815 |
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| 10:04.38 | super_anix | i am trying to to find a way to get work with vdpau |
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| 10:06.42 | jelly-home | ,versions nvidia-vdpau-driver |
| 10:06.44 | judd | Package nvidia-vdpau-driver on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.24-4; sid/non-free: 195.36.31-5; experimental/non-free: 256.53-2 |
| 10:07.03 | jelly-home | super_anix: I'm not the one to suggest using packages from experimental lightly, but... |
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| 10:08.01 | super_anix | jelly-home, i am sure its gonna broke my x |
| 10:08.08 | jelly-home | probably :-) |
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| 10:08.51 | super_anix | jelly-home, 100% sure after a upgrade :D |
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| 10:09.32 | jelly-home | super_anix: that happens whne you use nvidia's own installer, but is not supposed to happen if you're using packages |
| 10:10.09 | super_anix | oki .. |
| 10:10.36 | jelly-home | !nvidia |
| 10:10.36 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
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| 10:12.35 | super_anix | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:13.03 | andrewnemeth | hello guys |
| 10:13.10 | super_anix | which install 195 . |
| 10:13.12 | andrewnemeth | I just started to play with debootstrap |
| 10:13.41 | andrewnemeth | I could successfully install a debian from a minimal centos os however when I want to reinstall debian I got the following: |
| 10:13.48 | andrewnemeth | usr/share/debootstrap/functions: line 5: echo: write error: Broken pipe |
| 10:13.53 | andrewnemeth | any idea? |
| 10:14.52 | super_anix | is centos based on rpm ? |
| 10:15.19 | andrewnemeth | how do you mean? |
| 10:15.29 | andrewnemeth | yes centos use rpm instead of .deb |
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| 10:18.23 | saac | andrewnemeth, have you tried: export PATH=$PATH:/sbin |
| 10:18.34 | andrewnemeth | hm |
| 10:18.37 | andrewnemeth | lets see |
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| 10:19.39 | andrewnemeth | export PATH=$PATH:/sbin |
| 10:19.43 | andrewnemeth | ops |
| 10:19.47 | andrewnemeth | checking |
| 10:19.49 | andrewnemeth | no |
| 10:20.03 | andrewnemeth | doesnt work:( |
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| 10:21.22 | saac | It was the suggestion for Fedora on about the same error message. |
| 10:22.36 | andrewnemeth | well its weird cos im having this issue only if I want to reinstall debian from debian |
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| 10:24.01 | andrewnemeth | http://pastebin.com/8NkCKyQH |
| 10:24.09 | andrewnemeth | this is the first lines of functions file |
| 10:24.25 | andrewnemeth | there is smth with line 5 |
| 10:24.32 | andrewnemeth | maybe the script is wrong |
| 10:26.08 | saac | The script is right. |
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| 10:28.18 | andrewnemeth | hm |
| 10:28.29 | andrewnemeth | what could be the issue?:S |
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| 10:32.21 | jelly-home | andrewnemeth: likely the process smallyes() is piping its y lines to stopped so the pipe was broken. Are you using debootstrap or cdebootstrap? |
| 10:32.36 | andrewnemeth | debootstrap |
| 10:33.20 | jelly-home | andrewnemeth: it's a shell script, you could try running it like sh -e -x /path/to/debootstrap |
| 10:33.40 | andrewnemeth | hm |
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| 10:34.13 | jelly-home | the output of sh -x might give some clues as to which process is dying |
| 10:35.11 | jelly-home | andrewnemeth: also: which version of debootstrap are you using? can you pastebin the full command you're running and the whoele output? |
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| 10:36.31 | andrewnemeth | jelly-home: would you mind If I msg you? |
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| 10:37.20 | jelly-home | yes I would, use the channel please |
| 10:37.59 | jelly-home | has hourly rates for private help |
| 10:38.10 | andrewnemeth | hehe |
| 10:38.12 | stonie | which arent cheap |
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| 10:38.49 | jelly-home | I dare say they're quite competitive compared to some other consultant pricing |
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| 10:39.06 | andrewnemeth | actually I just trying to use a written script by someone else for debian and ubuntu reinstallation which using debootstrap to do so |
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| 10:39.22 | andrewnemeth | the script can be download from deploy.wooservers.com/debootstrap.sh |
| 10:39.42 | andrewnemeth | im not pretty sure what version of debootstrap is it use |
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| 10:40.10 | andrewnemeth | oh |
| 10:40.11 | andrewnemeth | Im |
| 10:40.18 | andrewnemeth | its ugin version 1.0.8 |
| 10:40.27 | andrewnemeth | DEBOOTSTRAP_VERSION="1.0.8" |
| 10:40.33 | jelly-home | that sounds rather old |
| 10:40.58 | jelly-home | ,versions debootstrap |
| 10:41.00 | judd | Package debootstrap on i386 -- etch: 0.3.3.2etch1; lenny: 1.0.10lenny1; lenny-backports: 1.0.25~bpo50+1; sid: 1.0.25; squeeze: 1.0.25 |
| 10:41.25 | jelly-home | andrewnemeth: if the host is not running debian, pick the newest deboostrap. |
| 10:41.37 | andrewnemeth | hm |
| 10:41.40 | andrewnemeth | let me try |
| 10:41.45 | jelly-home | if the host _is_ running debian, install and use the one from lenny-backports ;-) |
| 10:42.09 | andrewnemeth | actually the script grabs debootstrap from an ubuntu/debian mirror |
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| 10:42.17 | andrewnemeth | so I can easily specify which one to grab |
| 10:42.18 | jelly-home | is it ubuntu or debian? |
| 10:42.24 | andrewnemeth | lets see how it perform |
| 10:42.25 | andrewnemeth | debian |
| 10:42.33 | andrewnemeth | but I think the same goes for ubuntu |
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| 10:42.51 | jelly-home | a derived distro may or may not have changed their packages |
| 10:43.06 | jelly-home | we don't really know |
| 10:44.10 | jelly-home | andrewnemeth: paste the output of "dpkg -l libc6 debootstrap | tail -2", that will tell us which distro the host is using |
| 10:44.27 | andrewnemeth | let me try wth another version of debootstrap first |
| 10:44.35 | frikinz | the script uses 1.0.8 if no installed debootstrap is found at line 14 |
| 10:45.22 | andrewnemeth | frikinz: but at the beginning of the script I can specify the version so it will grab that version |
| 10:45.24 | andrewnemeth | m I correct? |
| 10:45.31 | tarzeau | anyone familiar with git, and interested updating gphoto2 in debian? |
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| 10:48.13 | frikinz | andrewnemeth: no, it only downloads and installs this version if none is already there |
| 10:48.44 | andrewnemeth | hm |
| 10:49.15 | andrewnemeth | jelly-home: No packages found matching debootstrap. |
| 10:49.44 | jelly-home | andrewnemeth: please paste full output of the exact command I asked |
| 10:49.51 | andrewnemeth | sec |
| 10:50.18 | andrewnemeth | frikinz: well Im pretty sure it grab as I specify at the beginning of debootstrap.sh |
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| 10:50.46 | andrewnemeth | as you see debootstrap_package grab the version which is specified under debootstrap_version |
| 10:51.18 | andrewnemeth | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/VxhMDLHp |
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| 10:52.44 | jelly-home | andrewnemeth: so install debootstrap. The one from lenny-backports preferably, it's newer and will have less bugs esp. if you're trying to make a chroot of a newer release or a derivative. /msg dpkg bdo |
| 10:53.03 | andrewnemeth | I try to do so that |
| 10:53.15 | andrewnemeth | just reinstalling the system to start from scratch |
| 10:53.18 | andrewnemeth | so we will see |
| 10:53.25 | andrewnemeth | hopefully that will solve my issue |
| 10:53.32 | frikinz | andrewnemeth: at line 14: it does it only if no debootstrap is found in your PATH. It then installs the one you asked. |
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| 10:54.07 | frikinz | andrewnemeth: then install debootstrap with apt |
| 10:54.09 | andrewnemeth | and is there debootstrap installed by default on debian? |
| 10:54.26 | andrewnemeth | okey I try either of the solutions |
| 10:54.32 | andrewnemeth | will let you know guys shortly |
| 10:54.36 | andrewnemeth | thanks for the help |
| 10:55.05 | jelly-home | jpinx-eeepc: you can only tell chroot to run one command. That command, however, can be sh -c 'foo; foo2; foo3' |
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| 10:55.28 | ov3rmind | nice morning to all |
| 10:55.32 | jpinx-eeepc | hang on - if I write the shell script of " su - noodles900; /etc/init.d/ssh start; foo bar " and call tha script chrootfirstaction.sh, I can then do chroot /chroot/mountpoint sh chrootfirstaction.sh |
| 10:55.50 | jpinx-eeepc | jelly-home: you can type faster than me :( |
| 10:56.12 | jelly-home | jpinx-eeepc: so, something like chroot /path /bin/sh -c '/etc/init.d/ssh start; su - noodles900' might work |
| 10:56.23 | themill | jpinx-eeepc: think really hard about what " su - noodles900; /etc/init.d/ssh start" will do.... at what point will "su" exit and move on to the next command (starting ssh) |
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| 10:56.49 | jpinx-eeepc | themill: yes - I am re-ordering the commands in the script |
| 10:56.54 | jpinx-eeepc | su has to be laast |
| 10:57.29 | jpinx-eeepc | looks to see if su takes optional commands the way chroot does |
| 10:59.38 | jpinx-eeepc | thanks themill jelly-home looks like su might take an option of running another script to do stuff as that user |
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| 11:01.08 | jelly-home | jpinx-eeepc: is sshd supposed to be started as that user? you might want to explain your real goal |
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| 11:01.35 | jpinx-eeepc | no - sshd needs to be started before the su |
| 11:01.54 | jpinx-eeepc | sshd is not started by default ina chroot, needs doings manually |
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| 11:06.36 | tolland | is it possible to do ${somevar%%:*} to a value, like ${"my string:some string"%%:*} or recursively like ${${somevar##x}%%:*}? |
| 11:07.01 | tolland | basically i want to strip off some chars from the fron and end of a var |
| 11:07.09 | cast | #bash is good |
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| 11:07.35 | tolland | cast: cool i will look there |
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| 11:08.41 | uwjesd | Hello there I have 3100 Megs memory usage unaccounted for by xfce4-taskmanager. Any other way I can find out which process is using up my resources? |
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| 11:10.05 | jelly-home | !tell uwjesd about free ram |
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| 11:14.03 | jelly-home | uwjesd: did you get the private message from dpkg? |
| 11:14.06 | rgr | Is there a "best way" to move from 32 bit to 64 bit install of debian squeeze? Or is it reinstall from scratch time? |
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| 11:16.20 | uwjesd | jelly-home: Yes. Thank you. |
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| 11:17.07 | themill | rgr: reinstall; /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
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| 11:18.43 | pablo_ | hi, is there a way to list packages installed and which are not required by any currently installed package. |
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| 11:20.26 | saac | I think 'apt-get autoremove' is what you're looking for. |
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| 11:21.14 | pablo_ | saac: no, i want to list the leafs of the dependency tree |
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| 11:28.38 | dutchfish | pablo_: apt-rdepends ? |
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| 11:30.48 | dutchfish | pablo_: man apt-rdepends and look for the dotty options, if thats what you are after |
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| 11:31.09 | greenmang0 | Hello friends, i followed these instructions to create a USB stick .... the system boot from the stick but doesn't find iso file.... what can be the issue? http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/i386/ch04s04.html.en |
| 11:31.12 | pablo_ | dutchfish: ok i'll try it thx |
| 11:31.20 | greenmang0 | i am using this image > debian-506-i386-businesscard.iso |
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| 11:33.44 | aguitel | what the easy way to install nvidia drivers in squeeze ? |
| 11:33.48 | greenmang0 | dutchfish: can you help me please? |
| 11:34.26 | themill | pablo_: packages that are installed that aren't required by any installed package is handled automatically by apt-get (since lenny) and aptitude (for much longer). There's also deborphan and debfoster if you've got "manually installed" packages that you think you can get rid of now. |
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| 11:35.27 | pablo_ | themill: ok thanks for the info |
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| 11:38.42 | saac | greenmang0, you need to mount your USB stick and then copy that image to it. |
| 11:38.51 | greenmang0 | saac: i did that |
| 11:39.18 | greenmang0 | saac: even installation logs doesn't show any info |
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| 11:40.09 | aguitel | i have bug in squeeze ,i use same password (user and root) ,when i try to open for ex synaptic it say wrong passwd ,,anyone know this ? |
| 11:40.23 | greenmang0 | saac: is there a business card iso for squeeze? |
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| 11:41.45 | greenmang0 | saac: ok... i found that |
| 11:42.25 | saac | I think there wasn't. |
| 11:42.42 | greenmang0 | saac: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 12:02.51 | rgr | yeah, astonishingly hard to navigate the debian installers. |
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| 12:04.46 | greenmang0 | I just downloaded a businesscard iso - debian-testing-i386-businesscard.iso - and downloaded - boot.img.gz - from http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ , Then followed the instructions on this page to create a usb stick - http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en - The stick boots my system perfectly but doesn't download release file showing this error -The specified |
| 12:04.46 | greenmang0 | debian archive mirror is either not available, or does not have a valid release file on it. Please try a different mirror. - While the installation logs read following - choose-mirror[8330]: DEBUG: command: wget -q http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian//dists/squeeze/Release -O - | grep -E '^(Suite|Codename):' - choose-mirror[8330]: WARNING **: mirror does not support the specified release (squeeze) |
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| 12:05.26 | greenmang0 | can anybody help me please? |
| 12:06.27 | greenmang0 | dutchfish: ^^ |
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| 12:13.56 | {g} | Hey Debian People! Any idea how I can get Hardware accelerated graphics working on my Lenovo X301? In the latest Ubuntu, you can show HW acceleration in "about:supported" and it tells me no HW acceleration. Under Windows, its accelerated. |
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| 12:20.00 | djura-san | _o_) |
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| 12:23.07 | humbolt | Is linux prepared for 4k HDD sectors_ |
| 12:23.09 | humbolt | ? |
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| 12:24.49 | bolt | humbolt: for ages |
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| 12:25.10 | humbolt | bolt: do i need to prepare myself? |
| 12:25.37 | bolt | humbolt: mentally, perhaps? |
| 12:25.47 | bolt | humbolt: think of all the "personal" videos you can store! |
| 12:25.54 | humbolt | bolt: how do I get things working. The current transferrate I am getting out of my drives looks like there is some emulation going on. |
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| 12:26.31 | humbolt | Samsung states "4K Sector with Emulation" for this drive |
| 12:26.38 | joshb | hi, i'm trying to find out how to change the console resolution to 25x80 ? |
| 12:27.06 | bolt | humbolt: try running hdparm -tT on the device, perhaps? see the raw read speed |
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| 12:27.51 | bolt | humbolt: the largest drives available at any given time are rarely blazingly fast btw. raids help a bit. |
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| 12:28.24 | humbolt | bolt: I am getting 30MB/sec out of a RAID1 setup! |
| 12:28.36 | humbolt | bolt: that can't be real! |
| 12:28.50 | bolt | checks his |
| 12:29.45 | bolt | hm.. 129.65 mb/sec |
| 12:30.07 | bolt | yep, you have a problem somewhere |
| 12:30.18 | bolt | not sure i can help you find out where, though. it kinda just worked for me |
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| 12:31.33 | uski | hi guys; I am having a strange issue with a tftp server and I'm not sure where to ask help. tcpdump reports udp packets generated by my computer have an invalid checksum. Is it possible that tcpdump is wrong or is there a problem within my kernel ? |
| 12:31.41 | aguitel | how install legacy nvidia drivers for my old card Geoforce FX 5200 |
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| 12:32.04 | humbolt | I setup the whole thing without any partition tables in place using mdadm metadata version 0.9 |
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| 12:32.25 | t0th_- | hi |
| 12:32.35 | t0th_- | f i change my server i need regenerate my ssl key? |
| 12:32.45 | bolt | humbolt: hm.. i have 1 partition on each used in mdadm |
| 12:32.59 | bolt | humbolt: *might* help with alignment and such. dunno too much about that |
| 12:33.26 | humbolt | but fdisk still shows the disk with 512 sectors |
| 12:33.28 | bolt | but i've read some articles about drives where alignment can really screw things up, and you need to move the partitions a few bytes and such |
| 12:33.51 | bolt | t0th_-: change it how? |
| 12:34.03 | t0th_- | [bolt]: a new server |
| 12:34.04 | t0th_- | new ip |
| 12:34.11 | bolt | aguitel: try "/msg dpkg nvidia". or did you already try that, and it doesn't work for your card? |
| 12:34.37 | aguitel | bolt, not work for me |
| 12:35.36 | bolt | t0th_-: i think you can just move it over. though some implementations may complain if it no longer matches the domain and such |
| 12:36.34 | bolt | aguitel: can't you just use the open source nvidia driver? "nv" or whatsitsname? |
| 12:38.24 | aguitel | bolt, i am using noevau |
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| 12:38.52 | antgel | how do i get banshee to output audio through my usb audio device as opposed to my laptop onboard sound? have been to gstreamer-properties and changed output plugin to alsa, but my usb device isn't in the list |
| 12:39.18 | antgel | i can see it in aplay -l and output sound to it with ogg123 |
| 12:39.51 | aguitel | bolt, nouveau |
| 12:42.39 | frikinz | uski: checksums can be calculated by the network adapter just before sending so you would see a incorrect crc when sending |
| 12:42.46 | cahoot | antgel: cat /proc/asound/cards to see which card# the usb has |
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| 12:45.23 | aguitel | bolt, My card is only supported up to the 173.14 legacy drivers series. You can use VERSION="-legacy-173xx" |
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| 12:47.33 | antgel | cahoot: it's card #1 |
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| 12:48.23 | cahoot | antgel: and banshee doesn't give you the option to access card1? (card0 is 'default') |
| 12:49.21 | uski | frikinz, that would explain it, thanks |
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| 12:51.56 | antgel | cahoot: where would i find that option? |
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| 12:52.30 | antgel | cahoot: i tried gstreamer-properties and only succeeding in breaking my config, so now i can't even hear it through the onboard |
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| 12:54.06 | rindolf | Hi all. Why does Debian Testing only has Firefox/Iceweasel 3.5.x? Firefox 3.6.x was out eons ago. |
| 12:54.52 | uwjesd | rindolf: You want anything that is not in the repo, you gotta build it yourself or find a build. |
| 12:55.17 | rindolf | uwjesd: yes, but why it wasn't upgraded yet? |
| 12:55.25 | jpinx-eeepc | rindolf: firefox is not in debian |
| 12:55.35 | rindolf | jpinx-eeepc: well, Iceweasel is. |
| 12:55.41 | rindolf | Which mirrors Firefox. |
| 12:55.52 | jpinx-eeepc | ,versions iceeweasel |
| 12:55.54 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'iceeweasel' was found in i386. |
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| 12:56.00 | jpinx-eeepc | ,versions iceweasel |
| 12:56.02 | judd | Package iceweasel on i386 -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.12-2~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.13-1; sid: 3.5.14-1; experimental: 3.6.11-1 |
| 12:56.23 | rindolf | Wow! Even sid still has 3.5.x. |
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| 12:56.41 | jpinx-eeepc | !sns |
| 12:56.41 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 12:56.56 | uwjesd | There you have your 3.6 in experimental. |
| 12:57.33 | rindolf | uwjesd: do you recommend I upgrade to it? |
| 12:57.41 | rindolf | uwjesd: I need to use Testing. |
| 12:58.20 | jpinx-eeepc | !need |
| 12:58.20 | dpkg | You do not NEED an application. You definitely do not NEED a game or site. You do not NEED a shell. You do not NEED to get a ban lifted. You NEED food. So go and buy your food, and if you feel that you absolutely NEED a program, we suggest that you go and buy that too while you're out. You do need beer, though. |
| 12:58.38 | jpinx-eeepc | rindolf: do you have the expertise to run sid? |
| 12:58.41 | AimHere | I need dpkg |
| 12:59.11 | uwjesd | rindolf: Well, what difference does it make. Iceweasel will still hog RAM like crazy and it's ui will still suck. |
| 12:59.25 | jelly-home | rindolf: you can easily use an unpackaged, but upstream maintained and updated Firefox on 32bit squeeze |
| 12:59.55 | rindolf | jelly-home: yes, I know. |
| 13:00.03 | rindolf | jelly-home: that's what I do. |
| 13:00.20 | rindolf | jpinx-eeepc: expertise to run Sid? Don't know. I've only used Testing so far. |
| 13:00.26 | jelly-home | rindolf: me too. So what's the real issue? |
| 13:00.51 | rindolf | jelly-home: I'm just wondering why Debian have not upgraded yet. |
| 13:01.00 | antgel | !releases |
| 13:01.00 | dpkg | See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. See <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 13:01.46 | jelly-home | rindolf: an upgrade of xulrunner would break other packages using it |
| 13:02.04 | jelly-home | s/would/could/, sorry |
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| 13:02.43 | jelly-home | in addition, testing is in freeze with means no new versions of software are going to be pulled in automatically |
| 13:02.46 | hojberg | hi guys, i am a bit of a sys adm newb .... how do i set the timezone on my debian machine? |
| 13:03.09 | jelly-home | hojberg: /msg dpkg tz |
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| 13:07.13 | kleanchap | I did the default install of Debian on my computer. The system has a Broadcom wifi card. Do I need to install the fw-cutter or whatever that tool is or is the Broadcom dirver installed in the new kernel? |
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| 13:13.47 | cahoot | you probably need firmware |
| 13:13.56 | cahoot | !wifi |
| 13:13.56 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>, <brcm80211>, <wl>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <iwlwifi>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
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| 13:58.32 | operand | How often does Debian update its source packages? I.e wine is 1.1.0 whereas upstream it is 1.3.0. |
| 13:58.46 | operand | Do they only get updated when a new version of debian is released? |
| 13:59.00 | renatov | hey guys, is this channel from forumdebian.com.br ? |
| 14:00.04 | themill | operand: the volunteer who looks after wine has been having trouble packaging newer versions of wine due to troubles getting it to compile with free software tools. (there's a bug in the bts about this, along with a request for help) |
| 14:01.35 | f8l | renatov: What do you mean? |
| 14:02.15 | operand | themill: Ah i see. So when the maintainer overcomes the problems, will the files found -> http://packages.debian.org/source/lenny/wine be updated? |
| 14:03.07 | themill | operand: not for lenny -- lenny is stable and doesn't receive new updates. It would be uploaded to sid or experimental. |
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| 14:03.31 | operand | Oh i see |
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| 14:04.02 | operand | So when a release is put out, the packages are fixed for its whole lifetime? |
| 14:04.26 | operand | I have seen lenny backports for things like pidgin. Is this quite easy to do? |
| 14:04.29 | nkuttler | operand: only security and bug fixes get in, usually |
| 14:04.34 | themill | operand: yes. That's the idea. (they receive security updates and some updates to very bad bugs). /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 14:04.49 | operand | I see |
| 14:05.02 | bolt | operand: backports are quite easy to use, yes |
| 14:05.26 | bolt | operand: you could also use a mix of stable and testing, or just move to testing, but backports are recommended |
| 14:05.56 | nkuttler | no, don't mix releases |
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| 14:06.20 | operand | Ok cool. I have come from a ports tree system (freebsd) and am just working out the best way to setup some workstations. |
| 14:06.26 | operand | *with debian |
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| 14:07.04 | somenone | hey there, i've just set up a new debian lenny, but now i want to configure my keybd layout, but somehow "dpkg-reconfigure console-data" does not offer me UTF-8, so is there still an UTF-8 package missing? and what package is it? |
| 14:07.23 | themill | utf-8 isn't a keyboard layout |
| 14:07.55 | renatov | f8l, in forumdebian.org website they say that this is the official channel of the forum |
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| 14:08.12 | somenone | themill: ok, but how can i switch to UTF-8 as soon as i have set up my keyboard layout? |
| 14:08.16 | bolt | renatov: it's the official channel for debian anyway... |
| 14:08.27 | f8l | renatov: I don't think it's true. |
| 14:08.30 | renatov | bolt, ok, thanx! |
| 14:09.03 | bolt | isn't lenny using utf-8 by default? |
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| 14:09.35 | bolt | somenone: dpkg-reconfigure locales, perhaps. set utf-8 as default if it isn't |
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| 14:10.12 | deepy | bolt: what about oftc? |
| 14:10.27 | somenone | bolt: but i would like to keep my current locale which differs from my keyboard layout, so all my programs should still be in english language... |
| 14:11.00 | bolt | somenone: en_US.UTF-8 is pretty english i think. en_GB even more, perhaps |
| 14:11.17 | bolt | somenone: there are UTF-8 and other variants of most locales |
| 14:11.38 | bolt | deepy: huh? |
| 14:12.06 | deepy | regarding the official channel for debian |
| 14:12.08 | somenone | bolt: ah, ok, let me try it, but i think that won't really show the special chars as i want them to appear in my terminal / terminal emulator... |
| 14:13.07 | bolt | deepy: afaik, it's still this one |
| 14:13.32 | somenone | bolt: when i chose one locale, it starts to generate all of them, is this usual behaviour? |
| 14:13.40 | bolt | somenone: yep |
| 14:13.40 | somenone | will take a while, i fear... |
| 14:13.44 | somenone | ok |
| 14:13.59 | bolt | somenone: did you select all of them or something? they take like 1 second each here... |
| 14:14.36 | bolt | somenone: clarification: it's normal for it to generate the ones you selected, not "all of them" |
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| 14:15.37 | somenone | bolt: but it generates all of them, every time... |
| 14:15.45 | somenone | what am i doing wrong? |
| 14:16.13 | bolt | ... |
| 14:16.17 | bolt | never seen it do that, sorry |
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| 14:16.32 | bla | What IDS do you use? |
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| 14:17.28 | bolt | snort |
| 14:17.44 | somenone | IDS? |
| 14:17.54 | bolt | intrusion detection system, methinks? |
| 14:18.05 | bla | hethinks good. |
| 14:18.28 | bla | Anything along snort? Or is for example tripwire redundant nowadays? |
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| 14:18.54 | LinuxGuy2009 | Is there any way that I can install a set of packages like nero linux 4, my printer drivers, and a few others amd then after the fact tell the system to never ever remove these packages? Is that called keep or hold in aptitude that I have seen? |
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| 14:20.09 | somenone | "Generating locales (this may take a while)" - it appears every time - and it really takes a while |
| 14:20.27 | themill | LinuxGuy2009: why would it try to remove them? |
| 14:21.11 | bolt | bla: i use something called "guardian response" or something, which goes through snort logs and starts dropping packets from ip's which do a lot of bad things |
| 14:21.43 | bolt | bla: http://www.chaotic.org/guardian/ |
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| 14:22.10 | LinuxGuy2009 | themill: When Im stripping down the system and experimenting with stuff like "aptitude purge ~i ~pimportant+ ~pstandard+ ~prequired+". |
| 14:23.09 | somenone | bolt: is it possible that my notbook keyboard (hardware) causes this problem? cause on my locale machine, i never had this problem? |
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| 14:23.21 | themill | LinuxGuy2009: umm... why on earth would you do that? |
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| 14:23.52 | LinuxGuy2009 | themill: Ill wait for someone that actually knows the answer, thanks. |
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| 14:23.58 | bolt | somenone: sounds unlikely. but i have no clue, sorry. perhaps try changing your selection. perhaps the front-end isn't entirely up to date on what's selected |
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| 14:25.19 | themill | LinuxGuy2009: *sigh* you're trying to do something that is very difficult to do with the tools we have and that normally means it's a strange thing to do. If you've already tried aptitude hold packagename and it doesn't work, then you're probably out of luck. I was about to spend some time going through the aptitude manual again for you to see if there was anything else I could come up with for you, but I'll not bother now. HAND. |
| 14:26.22 | somenone | bolt: i'll retry set-language-env... |
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| 14:26.39 | honschu | Hi, how to boot my system from a usb-stick? |
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| 14:26.59 | bolt | honschu: that should be in your bios options |
| 14:27.40 | honschu | bolt: I know ;-) But how do I create the image onto the usb-stick |
| 14:28.01 | somenone | ok, maybe someone else can help me configuring debian in a way that it will sho me german umlauts in the terminal instead of question marks? |
| 14:28.18 | themill | honschu: the installation guide has detailed instructions for this -- /msg dpkg usb install |
| 14:28.20 | honschu | bolt: I don't want to boot an installer, I have my system already installed. I want to boot up my system from an usb-stick. How to create this stick? |
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| 14:28.41 | bolt | honschu: install onto the usb stick |
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| 14:29.38 | themill | honschu: oh... so it would have bootloader on the usb stick but kernel/initrd/root on the hard disk? |
| 14:29.49 | honschu | bolt: No ... |
| 14:30.01 | honschu | themill: yes |
| 14:30.08 | bolt | ah |
| 14:30.12 | honschu | themill: I just want to boot into my system |
| 14:30.27 | bolt | honschu: why are you doing this? |
| 14:30.48 | honschu | why not |
| 14:31.08 | bolt | because if that's the only reason, it's not very useful? |
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| 14:31.49 | honschu | it's just for fun and nice to have a backup if for example the mbr gets overwritten by some obscure software. |
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| 14:33.00 | honschu | so? |
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| 14:34.10 | bolt | googling for "install grub on usb" gives a lot of results |
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| 14:34.34 | themill | honschu: "grub-install /dev/whatever" *should* be sufficient, but as I've never tried this myself, I'm not going to promise that it works. |
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| 14:35.06 | skinder | honschu, http://wiki.flimzy.com/index.php/Install_Debian_on_USB ? o_o |
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| 14:40.17 | somenone | oh boy, i've manually changed diverse config files concerning lanuage settings, but now i can't seem to remember all of them, but i want to unset the language stuff, do you know some files in the debian system which concern lang settings (like /etc/profile, .bashrc, etc.)? |
| 14:40.48 | bolt | When I run "blkid", I see one partition with 'TYPE="ext3"' and another with 'SEC_TYPE="ext2" TYPE="ext3"'. Why is one marked with a SEC_TYPE and not the other? |
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| 14:45.11 | somenone | let me ask it the other way around - in which config files do i set LC-CTYPE and LANG? |
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| 14:47.06 | gilesw | heya all |
| 14:47.31 | bla | Was debian selinux policy written with respect to rsyslog or syslog-ng or does it even matter? |
| 14:47.37 | gilesw | i'm trying to work out why a server we manage rebooted |
| 14:48.00 | gilesw | I ran the last command and it came up with reboot system boot 2.6.8 Sat Oct 23 15:17 (00:26) |
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| 14:48.18 | tensorpudding | somenone: maybe try dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 14:49.09 | bla | gilesw, check /var/log/* files for date around the time it rebooted. |
| 14:49.31 | bla | gilesw, you might found nothing at all if it was rebooted due to power failure for example (and you don't have UPS connected to server) |
| 14:49.32 | gilesw | yea bla i'm having a dig now |
| 14:49.51 | tensorpudding | somenone: i'm pretty sure the default LANG is set in /etc/default/locale |
| 14:50.02 | somenone | tensorpudding: that is basically, what i'm trying, but somehow my manual settings prevent dpkg-reconfigure locales from working correctly and thus it always generatea ALL locales, but it keeps the curren one in the end |
| 14:50.03 | gilesw | yea i did notice one of the dc users logged in after it had rebooted |
| 14:50.44 | bla | gilesw, take a look especially at kernel messages |
| 14:50.48 | somenone | tensorpudding: right, there i've set the correct locale, but somehow still it does not work |
| 14:50.56 | bla | gilesw, might be kern.log/dmesg or messages. |
| 14:50.58 | tensorpudding | have you logged out? |
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| 14:52.17 | somenone | ok, so is there a way which makes it possible to search all files in my system for the expression "LC_CTYPE="? |
| 14:52.32 | bla | There is |
| 14:52.38 | somenone | bla: ? |
| 14:52.40 | tensorpudding | you'd only want to search in /etc |
| 14:53.06 | tensorpudding | some kind of find expression, maybe |
| 14:53.08 | somenone | ok, so how can i search all files in /etc for "LC_CTYPE=" ? |
| 14:53.14 | bla | somenone, grep, for 'whole system' probably grep combined with find or find alone. |
| 14:53.15 | tensorpudding | one that calls grep on each file |
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| 14:53.27 | simonrvn | grep -r ... |
| 14:53.47 | simonrvn | this ain't sco unix grep |
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| 14:54.43 | pigdude | Is there a package containing these docs? http://www.gnu.org/software/make/manual/make.html |
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| 14:54.55 | pigdude | I always need to ref this stuff |
| 14:56.22 | simonrvn | yes, in non-free the make-doc package IIRC |
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| 14:57.41 | pigdude | thanks simonrvn |
| 14:58.52 | simonrvn | np |
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| 15:09.30 | aguitel | i am tying to install legacy nvidia in my pc debian squeeze and say that:http://pastebin.com/zbuUG8Tt ,anyone know how solve this issue ? |
| 15:10.14 | babilen | aguitel: try #nvidia |
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| 15:26.29 | bla | Is it possible to run SELinux Debian with never kernel? I have some policy problems and I wonder if the tools/system policy isn't too old for the kernel. |
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| 15:29.04 | jelly-home | didn't even know there was a usable selinux policy for debian |
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| 15:31.22 | bla | I've managed to run stable debian with postfix/hylafax/samba with selinux for quite a long time... |
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| 15:34.25 | jelly-home | that's nice |
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| 15:42.15 | debian_noob | wc sh4d3sl4y3r_ |
| 15:42.23 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | debian_noob: hello |
| 15:42.25 | bolt | ... |
| 15:42.29 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | ahoy jordanm |
| 15:43.27 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | debian_noob: read the channel guidelines incase you are new. and join #debian-offtopic for general conversation |
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| 15:43.49 | debian_noob | sh4d3sl4y3r_ im old |
| 15:43.56 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | ok |
| 15:44.00 | jelly-home | sh4d3sl4y3r_: where exactly are the guidelines to read? |
| 15:44.22 | bolt | the pirate code! yarr! |
| 15:45.07 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | debian_noob : jelly-home has the guidelines :P |
| 15:45.15 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | relax jelly he is my bro |
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| 15:45.24 | bolt | ... |
| 15:45.45 | debian_noob | bolt : like the . key so much? |
| 15:45.55 | debian_noob | sh4d3sl4y3r_ :D |
| 15:46.38 | jelly-home | sh4d3sl4y3r_: I'm just asking, if we're pointing people to guidelines, they'd better be easy to find |
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| 15:47.04 | debian_noob | yeah, where are they anyways? |
| 15:47.15 | themill | chanserv told you when you first joined. |
| 15:47.33 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | simple guideline. this is a support channel |
| 15:47.38 | debian_noob | oh |
| 15:47.43 | debian_noob | the good old dpkg |
| 15:48.49 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | jelly-home: any ideas where the source code of dpkg "the bot" available to look at? |
| 15:50.08 | themill | infobot.sf.net |
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| 16:05.12 | SparFux | Hi all. I would like to archive some of my logfiles in debian, namely the messages file as it contains much important data that might be needed, for example IP addreess at a certain point in time. I don't want them to be sent via email. Is there a way to copy them into a special directory? |
| 16:05.41 | SparFux | My special concern is, that I don't want to fiddle to much with the files, as logrotate may run and I don't want to interfere. |
| 16:06.26 | jpinx-eeepc | SparFux: the logfiles are already archived |
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| 16:06.38 | SparFux | jpinx-eeepc: aha, where is that? :-) |
| 16:06.59 | SparFux | I would use dateext, but if they are archived already... |
| 16:07.26 | jpinx-eeepc | SparFux: look in /var/log... |
| 16:07.52 | SparFux | jpinx-eeepc: Well, they are rotated. |
| 16:08.33 | SparFux | jpinx-eeepc: if you mena this, then I think I should use dateext and date-format for logrotate to simply endlessly not rotate the files, but archive them with ISO 8601 date appended. |
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| 16:09.52 | jpinx-eeepc | SparFux: you config logrotate to do what you need |
| 16:10.29 | SparFux | jpinx-eeepc: Yes, that's maybe the best way. The numbers appended make copying files hard, because they are rotated, but when using dateext it will be easy :-) |
| 16:10.46 | SparFux | you are right, I best just configure /etc/logrotate.conf |
| 16:11.42 | SparFux | I maybe caqn just drop a "personal config file" for logrotate into /etc/logrotate.d/<myname> ? |
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| 16:12.20 | SparFux | Though the /etc/logrotate.conf file says at its bottom: # system-specific logs may be configured here |
| 16:12.24 | SparFux | but this feels messy? |
| 16:14.19 | SparFux | hm... now I am thinking about how to name my log files :-) |
| 16:14.26 | SparFux | messages.2010-10-03 ? |
| 16:15.53 | SparFux | Well, yes, INSTEAD of just using stupid numbers and ROTATING them, which I think is ill advised, see intereference issue with logrotate, I will just use ISO 8601 dates. |
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| 16:18.54 | SparFux | jpinx-eeepc: you know how I can test how the files will be named on next rotate? :-) |
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| 16:19.57 | nQk | dpkg: warning: downgrading libva1 from 1.0.1-3 to 0.31.0-1+sds13. |
| 16:19.57 | nQk | (Reading database ... 148107 files and directories currently installed.) |
| 16:19.58 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, nQk |
| 16:19.58 | nQk | Preparing to replace libva1 1.0.1-3 (using .../libva1_0.31.0-1+sds13_i386.deb) ... |
| 16:19.58 | nQk | Unpacking replacement libva1 ... |
| 16:19.58 | nQk | dpkg: error processing /home/david/Downloads/libva1_0.31.0-1+sds13_i386.deb (--install): |
| 16:19.58 | nQk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:20.22 | nQk | sorry |
| 16:21.18 | nQk | I'm trying to downgrade a pkg using a .deb: http://paste.debian.net/97806/ |
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| 16:22.15 | nQk | why doesn't overwrite work? I'm using sudo |
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| 16:24.58 | cydork | nQk: check line 6. where did you get this deb? |
| 16:26.08 | nQk | cydork: what do you mean by "check"? |
| 16:26.09 | SparFux | jpinx-eeepc: the whole logrotate thing is quite weird. I define a log rotating COUNT. So if cound is 4, the time the logs are kept differs depending on the time interval rotated. |
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| 16:27.21 | nQk | I got the package from http://www.splitted-desktop.com/~gbeauchesne/libva/ |
| 16:28.21 | nQk | ah ok. removing vainfo worked |
| 16:31.08 | SparFux | my /var/log/messages is rotated up to messages.6.gz and the logrotate.conf file names rotate 4. How can that be? |
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| 16:34.04 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | I got a question. Why should one consider using a 64bit linux than 32 on a amd64 architecture ? Any improvements on the desktop user end? |
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| 16:34.41 | _KaszpiR_ | depends on how much ram you got |
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| 16:35.05 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | say 2GB? which is well within the limits of a 32bit kernel without compilation |
| 16:35.05 | _KaszpiR_ | and if your apps really are so memory hungry and are able to use so much memory |
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| 16:35.14 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | ok then i guess no use for me |
| 16:35.24 | _KaszpiR_ | if you got 2 gigs then there is no need to run in 64bit |
| 16:35.27 | wildc4rd | afternoon all |
| 16:35.40 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | _KaszpiR_: thanks |
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| 16:37.27 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | so i see. 32bit won't phase out anytime soon for a normal Desktop end |
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| 16:38.15 | solars | hey, does anyone know a HD video conferencing tool for win/linux? |
| 16:40.00 | jordanm | solars: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_web_conferencing_software |
| 16:40.14 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | jordanm: ahoy |
| 16:40.23 | solars | jordanm, thanks |
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| 16:42.25 | jordanm | sh4d3sl4y3r_: morning |
| 16:42.36 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | jordanm: evening here :P |
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| 16:58.59 | Sexy_Lolita | http://ibsnedir.tr.gg click here if you want real sex cam with ME!!!! I'm waiting.... |
| 16:59.25 | helmut | hi. I set DisplaySize in xorg.conf however it is later overriden by something else. xrandr reports my size, xdpyinfo reports he changed value. any idea why DisplaySize would be overriden? what other information is needed to answer this question? |
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| 17:00.36 | helmut | (background question: how to make 100% real 100% in xpdf/evince/epdfview/zathura/...) |
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| 17:06.14 | Rebells | my konsole telnet connection times out after 1 hour of idle, is there a way to change this setting? am using KDE 4.3, same issue with KDE 3.5 as well |
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| 17:07.49 | bolt | telnet?! |
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| 17:08.35 | bolt | he asks a question and is killed for spam? |
| 17:08.38 | jordanm | bolt: he got klined by freenode |
| 17:08.39 | jordanm | yeah |
| 17:08.43 | bolt | weird spambot |
| 17:09.05 | jordanm | he probably just cross-posted the same question to a bunch of channels with a short time |
| 17:09.13 | jordanm | seen it happen to non-spammers befoe |
| 17:09.23 | bolt | ah |
| 17:09.39 | helmut | maybe idoru complained about spam reports on #freenode |
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| 17:17.36 | CGI391 | j'ai du rater une info, il n'y aura pas de netinst squeeze ? :( ca parle a quelqu'un ? |
| 17:17.53 | cahoot | !fr |
| 17:17.53 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 17:25.20 | thepro4ever | orbitz yes sir i did |
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| 17:27.37 | kuun-lann | hello |
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| 17:30.44 | ttyS1 | I just upgraded my kernel but now the audio card is not working |
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| 17:42.18 | Sanitoeter | hi, I've just created a custom kernel using "make-kpkg --initrd --rootcmd=fakeroot --append-to-version="-`date +%d%m%Y`-amd64" kernel_image", but the resulting package has a very awkward name (linux-image-2.6.36-23102010-amd64_2.6.36-23102010-amd64-10.00.Custom_amd64.deb). How do I get rid of the part after the underscore? I know the "-10.00.Custom" part is the --revision, but what about the rest? |
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| 17:43.40 | nsadmin | you don't have control over that part |
| 17:43.58 | Sanitoeter | ugh. why not? |
| 17:44.00 | nsadmin | it's not part of the version string |
| 17:44.36 | nsadmin | but given the arch is already in the filename, why not remove your copy |
| 17:44.40 | Biganon | Hello ; I have to install a complete mail server for my father, on my debian server. I'm pretty used to managing a server, but which programs are strictly necessary in order to be able to create adresses which can be used to send mails out of the local network ? |
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| 17:45.24 | Sanitoeter | yeah I'll remove the arch if I cannot get rid of the rest of the string. Thank you :) |
| 17:46.03 | nsadmin | usually a particular machine has a fqdn and that's what's to the right of the @ |
| 17:46.48 | thepro4ever | can .so files be used on windows? |
| 17:47.02 | thepro4ever | to link in application libraries |
| 17:47.04 | nsadmin | as what? |
| 17:47.09 | nsadmin | no |
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| 17:48.11 | nsadmin | you might be able to produce libs that are usable in windows, but I dunno how or where |
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| 17:52.00 | thepro4ever | how do I replace a character with newlines in vi?? |
| 17:52.20 | thepro4ever | my current replace isn't working when i put \n in it doesn't actually split the lines |
| 17:53.09 | thepro4ever | its puts a ^@ symbol where i should have seen it split the line |
| 17:53.43 | Biganon | nsadmin: was your answer for me ? |
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| 17:55.18 | l0xar | how to i change the login screen to a different resultion? i understand how to change the user resolution but what about the welcome screen? |
| 17:55.21 | jordanm | thepro4ever: #vim |
| 17:55.40 | raidghost | I`m trying to install debian lenny but when i have added the needed partitions it complains aboute cant add system on / |
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| 17:56.30 | jordanm | raidghost: I would recommend trying to state that again with more details on what exactly you are doing... |
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| 17:57.15 | eptalon | heyas |
| 17:57.47 | raidghost | jordanm: Its when trying to format / it complains aboute cant put files into filesystem. |
| 17:57.49 | eptalon | to what extent are blu-rays (reading/writing/rewriting/watching) supported in debian? |
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| 17:58.01 | raidghost | I dont have the 100% correct information since i am not sitting at the computer i install on |
| 17:58.10 | raidghost | Its my brother at my parents house that got this message |
| 17:58.37 | jordanm | raidghost: is he making it large enough to store the files? |
| 17:58.40 | eptalon | raidghost: what filesystem are we talking about? |
| 17:58.45 | raidghost | ext3 |
| 17:58.49 | raidghost | And its 4GB |
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| 17:59.31 | eptalon | raidghost: that shouldn't be an issue. Is it mounted with read-write (mount -o remount,rw /)? |
| 17:59.55 | raidghost | eptalon: i am in the installation |
| 18:00.20 | eptalon | Oh. :) |
| 18:00.29 | noxon | hey there, in my new debian system i just get question marks instead of special characters in my terminal, do you know a way to teach debian the specian characters? |
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| 18:01.57 | jordanm | noxon: what does echo $LANG say?\ |
| 18:01.58 | eptalon | raidghost: does /usr and /var sit on a partition of its own (my sid install has about 500M in boot, but 5G in /usr and 3G in /var)? |
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| 18:02.20 | jordanm | noxon: and what special characters? |
| 18:02.38 | rohan | !nouveau |
| 18:02.38 | dpkg | Nouveau is a project with the goal of open source 3D acceleration for NVIDIA cards. Nouveau <DRM> in mainline as of Linux 2.6.33, included in linux-2.6 as of 2.6.32-10, not considered an official release. Display driver packaged as xserver-xorg-video-nouveau, no 3D support included; read its README.Debian to enable driver use. http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ #nouveau on irc.freenode.net. For 3D support, ask me about <nvidia>. |
| 18:02.38 | paradoxmonkey | After compiling the kernel with modules where can I find them? |
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| 18:03.01 | raidghost | eptalon: 50MB /boot 1GB swap 4GB / 5GB /usr 4GB /var 5GB /var/log 1GB /tmp And rest /home |
| 18:03.08 | jordanm | paradoxmonkey: in the .deb that kernel-package produces |
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| 18:03.57 | raidghost | And its like primary primary primary logical logical logical logical logical |
| 18:04.07 | paradoxmonkey | I'm pretty sure the offical kernel sources don't produce a .deb file... |
| 18:04.10 | rohan | is it possible to get latest kde packages (4.5.2) for squeeze? |
| 18:04.23 | jordanm | paradoxmonkey: they do when you do it the proper debian way |
| 18:04.26 | jelly-home | raidghost: why are you using a whole lot of partitions? |
| 18:04.28 | jordanm | !tell paradoxmonkey about kernel-package |
| 18:04.40 | raidghost | jelly-home: i like to do that with server installs |
| 18:04.42 | Biganon | Mmh, I'm going to ask on debian forum |
| 18:05.07 | paradoxmonkey | jordanm: But I'm not compiling for my debian system |
| 18:05.14 | noxon | jordanm: "echo $LANG" gives "en_US.UTF-8", with specian characters i mean on the one hand the ones you get when you use "toilet/figlet" or some ncurses interfaces and on the other hand i would like to be able to show so called german "Umlauts" |
| 18:05.45 | jordanm | paradoxmonkey: then why ask #debian? |
| 18:05.48 | darkkrai | how do I test my 3d drivers? |
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| 18:06.06 | jelly-home | raidghost: reasons for... dunno, separate /usr? /boot makes sense if you're using lvm or something not like normal partitions, but the rest? |
| 18:06.06 | jordanm | noxon: oh, not sure when you get into multiple language stuff |
| 18:06.24 | nsadmin | jordanm: because he's a paradoxmonkey? |
| 18:06.29 | paradoxmonkey | jordanm: Thought anyone would know. Guess I can try #kernel |
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| 18:06.46 | noxon | jordanm: but what about the other special chars in ncurses and figlet? |
| 18:06.47 | paradoxmonkey | *someone |
| 18:07.09 | nsadmin | but how can he be a monkey when he;s a pair of ducks? |
| 18:07.10 | eptalon | raidghost: /boot (500/76), / (816/523), /usr (6700,5300), /var (3400/2400), swap (8000/3500), /home (1.3T/528G); /var/run, /var/lock, /tmp as tmpfs in swapspace |
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| 18:07.26 | jelly-home | crazy |
| 18:07.31 | eptalon | raidghost: the numbers are total (m), used |
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| 18:07.54 | darkkrai | how do I test my 3d drivers? |
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| 18:08.20 | raidghost | eptalon: i guess its the drive thats old |
| 18:08.21 | nsadmin | do something 3d with them |
| 18:08.28 | raidghost | Doesnt live long. |
| 18:08.37 | jordanm | noxon: don't know, my only guess was going to be that you were not using utf8 |
| 18:08.39 | darkkrai | is there a glxgears? |
| 18:08.39 | nsadmin | run glxgears, glxinfo |
| 18:08.43 | jordanm | you are however |
| 18:08.50 | l8star | ;-) |
| 18:08.51 | eptalon | raidghost: most of my hdds are 5+ years |
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| 18:09.09 | darkkrai | E: Unable to locate package glxinfo |
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| 18:09.27 | nsadmin | , file glxgears |
| 18:09.29 | judd | glxgears in lenny/i386: fglrx-driver: usr/bin/fgl_glxgears; fvwm-crystal: usr/share/fvwm-crystal/fvwm/Applications/Utilities/~glxgears~glxgears; mesa-utils: usr/bin/glxgears |
| 18:09.41 | noxon | jordanm: no, i *am* using UTF-8 and i've explicitly told gnome-terminal to use UTF-8 encoding, but still there are only the ascii characters usable |
| 18:09.49 | nsadmin | try mesa-utils |
| 18:09.50 | noxon | ..which is strange |
| 18:10.19 | valdyn | noxon: how to you know that only ascii characters are available? |
| 18:10.34 | f8l | eptalon: I have similar partitions. I have additional /usr/share. |
| 18:10.45 | eptalon | raidghost: A failing drive usually gives { Drive ready, seek complete } errors |
| 18:11.14 | eptalon | f8l: this is basically a one-user system |
| 18:11.20 | raidghost | eptalon: could it work to format the drive and reboot |
| 18:11.24 | raidghost | and try to start the install again? |
| 18:11.27 | f8l | raidghost: So is mine. |
| 18:11.29 | noxon | valdyn: you got me, i don't really know... in fact, these are non-asciis, too, but no dead keys for example...so i'm pretty confused! |
| 18:11.52 | f8l | raidghost: I meant eptalon |
| 18:11.57 | valdyn | noxon: dead keys is a configuration setting for X, it has nothing to do with gnome-terminal or utf-8 |
| 18:12.18 | f8l | eptalon: I meant /usr/src, not share. |
| 18:12.31 | valdyn | noxon: look at this file: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/ucs/examples/UTF-8-demo.txt |
| 18:12.40 | eptalon | raidghost: it could; but your / looks small to me |
| 18:12.43 | valdyn | noxon: try in gnome-terminal |
| 18:12.53 | eptalon | raidghost: try with 1G for root |
| 18:12.57 | eptalon | er / |
| 18:13.11 | raidghost | eptalon: / is 4GB |
| 18:13.17 | raidghost | should be plenty enought |
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| 18:13.44 | eptalon | raidghost: is this a 64bit system? |
| 18:13.49 | raidghost | no |
| 18:13.50 | raidghost | its 32 |
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| 18:14.50 | noxon | valdyn: when i less this file in my terminal emulator (gnome-terminal and xterm), i just get question marks instead of the special characters |
| 18:15.18 | eptalon | raidghost: ask around as to partition sizes |
| 18:15.20 | valdyn | noxon: so you probably miss the font |
| 18:15.21 | raidghost | could not mount a filesystem of type ext3 (ide1) slave partition number 3 hdb3 |
| 18:15.27 | raidghost | Is the error i get |
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| 18:15.37 | valdyn | noxon: did you change the default? |
| 18:15.44 | christoz | hello, do you know if BCM4312 (broadcom wireless card) can be installed in debian testing? |
| 18:15.55 | noxon | valdyn: yes, i've thought about that, too, but i'm not very into linux fonts |
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| 18:16.00 | valdyn | noxon: what is your locale? |
| 18:16.11 | valdyn | noxon: so you did not change the default font? |
| 18:16.18 | noxon | valdyn: en_US.UTF8 |
| 18:16.43 | noxon | valdyn: maybe by mistake |
| 18:16.47 | valdyn | noxon: which font is gnome-terminal using? |
| 18:16.57 | noxon | valdyn: how to find that out? |
| 18:17.02 | eptalon | raidghost: your kernel supposedly has a module for ext3? |
| 18:17.11 | valdyn | noxon: rightclick, profile, profile settings |
| 18:17.22 | f8l | !tell christoz about bcm4312 |
| 18:17.29 | valdyn | noxon: or similar, my locale is not en, i cant look up the precise words used |
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| 18:17.46 | jarlg | I'm quite sure a tftpboot.iso existed, but I seriously can't find one now. Specifically for an old ppc. Is my search in vain? |
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| 18:18.44 | valdyn | jarlg: why would you need a speical iso for tftp install? |
| 18:18.51 | noxon | valdyn: "Use the system fixed width font" <- that's the only hint about fonts... |
| 18:18.55 | jarlg | valdyn: easier? :| |
| 18:19.07 | valdyn | noxon: you see a greyed out font below that |
| 18:19.17 | valdyn | noxon: that should be the one used |
| 18:19.34 | noxon | valdyn: "monospacd | 12" |
| 18:19.50 | noxon | *monospace* |
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| 18:20.01 | jarlg | the MANIFEST doesn't even specify all the files |
| 18:20.14 | jarlg | but I guess I'll take that as a 'no', and try without a special iso? |
| 18:20.33 | valdyn | noxon: ok - "aptitude install ttf-bitstream-veru ttf-dejavu" |
| 18:20.47 | noxon | valdyn: but that problem does not only appear in gnome-terminal, but also in xterm and in the "real" shell (ctrl+alt+f1) |
| 18:20.50 | valdyn | noxon: oops, typo: "aptitude install ttf-bitstream-vera ttf-dejavu" |
| 18:21.22 | CoolCold | guys, a bit offtopic, but - anyone familiar with hp servers? i need to install debian remotely. just for now it contains crappy centos sh...it.. I've connected via virtual kvm, added virtual media, setted up bios to boot from cdrom |
| 18:21.45 | valdyn | jarlg: yea, just use the netinstall iso |
| 18:21.52 | CoolCold | but boot from my debia.iso doesn't occur, i do not see any cdrom activity, to be more exact |
| 18:23.23 | noxon | valdyn: that looks soo ugly! and it does not solve the special character problem |
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| 18:23.55 | valdyn | noxon: its possible that you have to restart gnome-terminal or log out and back in for those fonts to be used |
| 18:23.55 | jarlg | valdyn: oh, the guide says I need to fiddle with yaboot, mini.iso and intrd.gz -- but if I understand correctly I only need the netinstall.iso? |
| 18:24.25 | noxon | valdyn: no, i can use them, but they don't get me my special characters |
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| 18:25.08 | wolfric | is there some reason why up and down arrows won't work on man? only page up and page down |
| 18:25.20 | noxon | valdyn: and on my other debian system i did not change that font, but i could use all the special characters |
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| 18:26.56 | valdyn | jarlg: i think any iso should work, but you do not only need that |
| 18:27.40 | valdyn | jarlg: set up your dhcp server to serve the pxelinux.0 and tftpd-hpa to serve the iso |
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| 18:30.14 | jarlg | valdyn: yeah, I think that's the problem -- I can't seem to find the pxelinux.0 |
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| 18:30.30 | jarlg | perhaps it's not ppc specific, i.e. i'm looking in the wrong place? |
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| 18:31.12 | valdyn | jarlg: let me see what differences there are for ppc |
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| 18:32.09 | gueux | hi |
| 18:32.36 | valdyn | jarlg: its all in netboot.tar.gz iirc |
| 18:32.51 | jarlg | valdyn: ah, okay -- thanks, will check it out :) |
| 18:33.15 | valdyn | jarlg: yaboot is where ppc is different, setting up tftpd-hpa and isc dhcp3 is the same |
| 18:33.21 | christoz | ok thanks, now i want to download debian testing from a near server but it says 5.0.6, which distro is that? |
| 18:33.36 | jordanm | lenny |
| 18:33.45 | gueux | I'm trying to upgrade mysql-server from 5.0 to 5.1 (5.1.49-1) but I'm getting "dpkg: error processing mysql-server-5.1 (--configure):" "dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of mysql-server:" "Package mysql-server-5.1 is not configured yet." |
| 18:34.34 | valdyn | jarlg: and skip 4.5.1 if you are using isc dhcpd3 |
| 18:35.01 | christoz | jornanm, well, in that case there is no package testing to download from a near server |
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| 18:35.12 | legis | How can I see the names of the keys I tupe? for example: atl, mod4, etc... |
| 18:35.13 | jordanm | !tell gueux about bat |
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| 18:36.42 | themill | gueux: are you mixing lenny and squeeze there? or are you in the middle of a lenny to squeeze upgrade? |
| 18:36.52 | gueux | jordanm: http://paste.debian.net/97828/ |
| 18:37.05 | gueux | themill: second solution :) |
| 18:37.11 | valdyn | noxon: your locale should be en_US.utf8, not UTF8, btw |
| 18:37.44 | kelsoo | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-powerpc/current/images/powerpc/netboot/ |
| 18:37.50 | jordanm | gueux: looks like you apt-listbugs is indicating the answer for you |
| 18:37.54 | jordanm | grave bugs of mysql-server (-> 5.1.49-1) <unfixed> #585392 - mysql-server: MySQL Server segfaults after upgrade |
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| 18:39.12 | themill | gueux: take a look at the mysql logs to see if you can work out why the daemon is refusing to start |
| 18:39.19 | jordanm | gueux: installation is failing because mysqld is failing to start. /var/log/daemon.log might have more info, but apt-listbugs indicates its just totally broken |
| 18:40.10 | jordanm | ,versions mysql-server |
| 18:40.13 | judd | Package mysql-server on i386 -- etch: 5.0.32-7etch12; etch-security: 5.0.32-7etch12; etch-backports: 5.0.51a-24+lenny2~bpo40+1; lenny: 5.0.51a-24+lenny4; lenny-security: 5.0.51a-24+lenny4; lenny-backports: 5.1.49-1~bpo50+1; sid: 5.1.49-1; squeeze: 5.1.49-1; experimental: 5.1.51-1 |
| 18:40.13 | themill | jordanm: that's an old and probably unrelated bug |
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| 18:41.12 | jordanm | themill: I would expect apt-listbugs to only display things relevant to the version being installed. perhaps that expecting too much :) |
| 18:41.46 | jordanm | ah, yes it is old, and applies to 5.0 |
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| 18:42.08 | themill | jordanm: the bug was filed against the lenny version and it has no fixed versions so it is claimed to exist against every subsequent version. I very much doubt that's the case. |
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| 18:48.25 | scoobertron | Im trying to strip newlines from an xml file using cat $file | sed 's/\n//g' but it doesn't work. any idea what is going wrong? |
| 18:48.34 | legis | which is the hyper key? |
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| 18:50.01 | vdv | hi all |
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| 18:51.01 | vdv | if i did "dpkg --set-selections < previously_installed_packages" then how can i actually install packages? apt-get install? |
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| 18:55.14 | jordanm | !tell vdv about debian clone |
| 18:55.22 | gueux | themill: there is nothing in /var/log/mysql.log |
| 18:55.46 | gueux | here is an extract of /var/log/daemon.log: http://pastealacon.com/26017 |
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| 18:56.31 | karlpinc | scoobertron: There's a way to do it with sed, but it's sorta off-the-beaten-track. I prefer awk. |
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| 18:57.17 | raidghost | epsilon: I give a dam aboute trying install debian for some years. wasted almost 4 hours. YEY |
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| 18:57.41 | raidghost | but thanks for advice and trouble solving. |
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| 18:59.01 | vdv | jordanm, thanks |
| 18:59.20 | themill | gueux: can you pastebin the output of "aptitude versions ~n^mysql" for me? |
| 18:59.38 | scoobertron | karlpinc: thanks for the reply, I will look into awk, but do you know what is so special about xml stuff that newlines don't seem to be recognised by sed's \n |
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| 19:02.41 | gueux | themill: http://pastealacon.com/26018 |
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| 19:03.10 | jordanm | 5.0r14+openSUSE-2.1? |
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| 19:04.00 | gueux | jordanm: I have never installed openSUSE :-) |
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| 19:04.35 | themill | jordanm: presumably some patches from them since the mysql people have stopped supporting that package |
| 19:05.15 | jordanm | yeah, I see that is actually what is available. looks stange however |
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| 19:05.59 | Phil_Ewert | Hi, any estimates for the squeeze release date, yet ? |
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| 19:06.11 | Bushmills | not before august 2010 |
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| 19:07.06 | JustinTomsen | looking for a sysv to upstart migration howto for sid |
| 19:07.29 | nsadmin | people are betting on the release date... I think you can look at their guesses |
| 19:08.04 | Bushmills | free debian netinstall for the winner |
| 19:08.12 | nsadmin | but my guess is it won't even be before -sept- 2010! |
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| 19:08.35 | nsadmin | you can even put your own estimate in |
| 19:09.00 | themill | gueux: does "/usr/sbin/mysqld --skip-grant" produce any output? |
| 19:09.15 | themill | err... that should be --skip-grant-tables |
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| 19:10.17 | gueux | themill: both gave me the same: 101023 21:09:56 [ERROR] /usr/sbin/mysqld: unknown option '--skip-bdb' |
| 19:10.28 | legis | Where should I look for If I want to swap to keys? |
| 19:10.33 | legis | s/to/two |
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| 19:12.26 | themill | gueux: the bts knows all: http://bugs.debian.org/545751 |
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| 19:14.21 | gueux | what do you use to look for a bug? |
| 19:14.39 | nsadmin | a pair of tweezers? |
| 19:14.54 | nsadmin | a flashlight! |
| 19:15.14 | gueux | :-) |
| 19:15.30 | nsadmin | a mind. |
| 19:15.35 | themill | gueux: in this case, I just stuck that exact error message into google. The bts has a search facility or you can use site:bugs.debian.org with google. |
| 19:15.49 | gueux | ok |
| 19:16.03 | gueux | I was wondering if there was a command line tool to do that |
| 19:16.28 | nsadmin | if you want to look for a bug you think has already been reported and it's for something in debian, you can /msg dpkg bts |
| 19:16.45 | gueux | mm ok |
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| 19:17.10 | nsadmin | if you're looking for a bug that's not reported, then the story gets bigger |
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| 19:19.06 | gueux | ok, that worked :-) |
| 19:19.10 | gueux | themill: thanks |
| 19:19.23 | themill | no worries. happy hunting. |
| 19:19.45 | gueux | :-) |
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| 19:26.28 | C2H5OH | does anyone else have a broken grub-mkrelpath for grub-common 1.98+20100804-6 ?? |
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| 19:30.02 | vdv | apt-get dselect-upgrade abrupts when tries to configure package (cyclic dependency), how can i tell it skip that package? |
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| 19:32.49 | babilen | vdv: Could you please try aptitude as well. We also need more information. Please message "/msg dpkg bat" and provide the requested information on a pastebin (e.g. paste.debian.net) |
| 19:33.51 | vdv | where apt-get stores all downloaded packages? |
| 19:34.11 | babilen | vdv: I'm not sure how to do this with apt-get, but with aptitude you could "aptitude keep-all" (cancel pending actions) followed by "aptitude hold <pkg>" (pin given package to currently installed version) |
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| 19:34.55 | babilen | vdv: Downloaded packages are typically stored in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 19:35.09 | vdv | if i know where *.deb file is, i can do "dpkg --unpack <package>." and then "dpkg --configure -a" |
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| 19:36.16 | babilen | vdv: It would also be great if you could file a bug against the package that introduces the dependency cycle. Which version of Debian do you run? Which package are we talking about? |
| 19:36.35 | vdv | that's actually maemo5 in my n900 |
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| 19:36.51 | vdv | so |
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| 19:37.02 | vdv | it's not a debian bug :) |
| 19:37.12 | babilen | vdv: Well, I would suggest you try #maemo then. They should now a lot more about maemo than us |
| 19:38.14 | vdv | i'm there too, but they are not so active |
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| 19:38.38 | JustinTomsen | so, no howto migrate sysv init to upstart ? |
| 19:39.24 | babilen | vdv: And I know nothing about maemo and their (obviosly broken) packages. Apart from that #debian does not support distributions that are based on Debian |
| 19:39.34 | valdyn | JustinTomsen: debian does not use upstart? |
| 19:39.48 | JustinTomsen | valdyn: i am on sid, no upstart here |
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| 19:40.16 | valdyn | JustinTomsen: so youre asking at the wrong place |
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| 19:40.27 | leachim6 | hey, I just installed the latest stable debian on my old laptop....and the max res it will let me set it at is 800x600, I've fixed this before, but I can't find the page |
| 19:40.27 | JustinTomsen | o.O |
| 19:40.28 | valdyn | JustinTomsen: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ should have documentation |
| 19:40.33 | leachim6 | does anyone know where iI can look to fix it? |
| 19:40.42 | JustinTomsen | no no, no more ubuntu for me, had enough |
| 19:41.09 | babilen | JustinTomsen: The upstart package comes with a README.Debian.gz -- you might want to read it |
| 19:41.10 | leachim6 | does anyone know how to fix my resolution problem? |
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| 19:41.58 | JustinTomsen | afaik ubuntu from 10.4 uses a blend of init and upstart |
| 19:42.15 | JustinTomsen | i am talking a bout a native no sysv init upstart |
| 19:42.28 | JustinTomsen | also in the kernel |
| 19:43.18 | babilen | JustinTomsen: Upstart as packaged in Debian currently emulates the traditional sysvinit behaviour |
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| 19:45.51 | HackeMate | hi, randomly i get this messages when use apt-get http://pastebin.com/DRGim7Vp |
| 19:46.04 | HackeMate | i thought it were a certain package but it appears with any |
| 19:46.09 | HackeMate | right now installing noip2 |
| 19:46.41 | HackeMate | update-rc.d: error: insserv rejected the script header |
| 19:46.51 | babilen | HackeMate: Haven't I pointed you to the relevant LSB tags documentation earlier? |
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| 19:46.58 | t3a | hello |
| 19:47.05 | valdyn | HackeMate: nxsesnsor does not appear to be in debian |
| 19:47.25 | babilen | HackeMate: It is not, he installed a third party package with broken lsb headers |
| 19:47.39 | HackeMate | nxsensor is one of those error messages, alsa-utils, kdb, udev and other more sjould |
| 19:47.55 | HackeMate | no chance to fix them? |
| 19:47.58 | t3a | why do my windows stay opaque after i click them |
| 19:48.02 | valdyn | HackeMate: sure, but its most probably the fault of your non-debian package |
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| 19:48.10 | valdyn | HackeMate: which we cannot fix |
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| 19:49.29 | t3a | why do my windows stay opaque after i click them |
| 19:49.42 | t3a | *transparent |
| 19:49.45 | babilen | t3a: Please provide more information (which WM/DE, ...) |
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| 19:51.00 | JordiGH | bash installs the bash manual, which is presumably created from info, but the info page isn't packaged, and bash-doc-nonfree doesn't exist. How did this happen? |
| 19:51.23 | JordiGH | i.e. wtf is up with bash documentation? |
| 19:51.27 | t3a | kde and whats wm |
| 19:51.36 | darkkrai | can someone help me install the 32bit libs for glx? |
| 19:51.37 | JordiGH | I know it's GFDL stuff, but what's going on? |
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| 19:51.51 | tmroland | what do i need to be able to compile KDE 1.x ? |
| 19:52.02 | HackeMate | so damn |
| 19:52.15 | HackeMate | what can i do to open a X session remotely |
| 19:52.22 | HackeMate | putty+X11? |
| 19:52.57 | babilen | HackeMate: ssh -X / ssh -Y ? |
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| 19:53.22 | babilen | t3a: No idea, you could also try #kde |
| 19:53.37 | t3a | thanks |
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| 19:53.56 | babilen | t3a: Good luck -- Others in here might have KDE experience though. |
| 19:54.10 | cesurasean | Can debian format a hard drive to NTFS? |
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| 19:54.41 | valdyn | cesurasean: yes |
| 19:54.49 | babilen | tmroland: Hmm, Run the configure script and see what is missing. They might also ship a INSTALL or README file that contains details on the installation process |
| 19:55.04 | cesurasean | valdyn, and it will be the same format as Windows would offer? |
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| 19:56.16 | valdyn | cesurasean: what else is ntfs? |
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| 19:56.58 | cesurasean | valdyn, how do i go about formatting in NTFS? Can I right click and format in gnome? |
| 19:57.05 | valdyn | cesurasean: i doubt it |
| 19:57.06 | cesurasean | Or, does it have to be through command line? |
| 19:57.16 | valdyn | cesurasean: probably |
| 19:57.36 | valdyn | cesurasean: i have no idea, i would only look for and know the command mkfs.ntfs |
| 19:57.51 | cesurasean | thx |
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| 19:58.34 | valdyn | this scares me, dont format your disk, format the partition |
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| 20:13.01 | leachim6 | /j #ubuntu |
| 20:13.24 | JordiGH | dem's fightin' words |
| 20:13.46 | leachim6 | haha |
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| 20:13.54 | leachim6 | well people here aren't very helpful |
| 20:13.57 | leachim6 | at least right now.... |
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| 20:14.18 | JordiGH | I didn't see your question,. |
| 20:14.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | they generally aren't with ubuntu problems... makes you wonder why |
| 20:14.30 | leachim6 | I'm not using ubuntu |
| 20:14.40 | leachim6 | but the information I need is generic to any debian-based distro |
| 20:14.54 | legis | How do I keep the cpufreq governor after reboot? |
| 20:14.55 | leachim6 | I need to figure out what my main X output is called so I can add a new mode with XRANDR |
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| 20:15.19 | leachim6 | like `xrandr --addmode VGA 1024?768` |
| 20:15.21 | leachim6 | except VGA doesn't work |
| 20:15.29 | leachim6 | I need to find out what my output is called |
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| 20:15.56 | JordiGH | Doesn't xrandr list all of them? |
| 20:16.13 | leachim6 | it lits all of the resolutions |
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| 20:16.18 | JordiGH | I kinda use the Gnome wrapping to xrandr instead of futzing around with xrandr directly. |
| 20:16.29 | leachim6 | "Screen 0: and default are the only thing it shows besides resolutions |
| 20:16.34 | babilen | leachim6: xrandr --query might help |
| 20:16.35 | Bushmills | just call it xrandr - it should show all outputs, even the disconnected ones |
| 20:17.37 | leachim6 | ok, the output's name is default |
| 20:17.41 | leachim6 | now I have another issue |
| 20:18.08 | leachim6 | "xrandr --addmode default 1024x768" ----- "xrandr: cannot find mode "1024x768"" |
| 20:18.13 | leachim6 | wtf! |
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| 20:19.07 | lewis222 | Hey all. Any idea on: INFO: task nice:22265 blocked for more than 120 seconds. |
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| 20:19.16 | lewis222 | I have lenny with kernel 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 20:19.23 | lewis222 | Lots of Google results, but no clear answer. |
| 20:19.25 | Bushmills | xrandr --verbose |
| 20:20.19 | appletime | what is the latest version of debian? |
| 20:20.48 | JordiGH | appletime: Latest release is lenny, version 5.0 |
| 20:20.54 | appletime | hmm |
| 20:20.56 | appletime | thanks |
| 20:21.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | lewis222, I think that might be, because the message as such isn't very meaningful... |
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| 20:21.24 | lewis222 | CutMeOwnThroat: right, what information can I give/look for then? |
| 20:21.39 | leachim6 | seriously, who can help me/ |
| 20:21.41 | JordiGH | appletime: 6.0 should be released "soon" which in Debiantalk means about 6 months. |
| 20:21.53 | Bushmills | INFO doesn't sound bad. probably the process with pid 22265 is so nice to not have regained control for 2 minutes |
| 20:21.56 | appletime | if Itelnet to a ssh port, it just says Debian-5 |
| 20:21.56 | leachim6 | my laptop won't display over 800x600 even though the native res is 1024x768 |
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| 20:22.14 | Bushmills | but INFO isn't even WARNING or even ERROR |
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| 20:22.39 | appletime | I am looking for info a vulnerability that might be being used to gain access on debian |
| 20:23.08 | themill | appletime: using version numbers like that isn't a great plan |
| 20:23.24 | appletime | telnet just determines if port 22 is open |
| 20:23.24 | kingsley | How would you open a CD drive's tray when it doesn't respond to pressing the eject button, or to the the "eject" command? |
| 20:23.40 | appletime | is there a pinhole in the drive door? |
| 20:23.50 | appletime | if so, use end of paper clip to push into it |
| 20:24.12 | leachim6 | some BIOS have an option to eject the drive I'm pretty sure |
| 20:24.28 | Bushmills | kingsley, unmount it |
| 20:24.33 | Bushmills | or use eject command |
| 20:24.35 | leachim6 | but yeah, use your super advanced technical CD-Tray Extraction Tool(tm) |
| 20:24.40 | lewis222 | CutMeOwnThroat: still there? |
| 20:24.47 | appletime | themill, I don't know if there is a new vuln for it, or something else |
| 20:25.03 | appletime | I looked on google but no good info |
| 20:25.13 | appletime | something that started about 3 weeks ago |
| 20:25.49 | appletime | maybe I should ask the hackers on some other networks |
| 20:26.00 | leachim6 | I'm sort of desperate right now, I can't figure out how to get my res to 1024x768, it won't let me! |
| 20:26.17 | themill | leachim6: which version of debian was this again? |
| 20:26.25 | leachim6 | umm, lemme check for sure |
| 20:26.30 | leachim6 | I just downloaded it from the site, |
| 20:26.31 | leachim6 | the stable |
| 20:26.43 | leachim6 | 5,0 |
| 20:26.44 | leachim6 | 5.0 |
| 20:26.45 | Bushmills | leachim6, check out --newmode |
| 20:27.02 | leachim6 | is RT'in the FM right now |
| 20:27.02 | kingsley | Bushmills: "umount"ing was a clever idea. Unfortunately, the drive wasn't mounted. (I already tried the "eject" command.) |
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| 20:28.09 | Bushmills | kingsley, try eject -t, then eject again |
| 20:28.21 | Bushmills | make sure eject tries to eject the proper device |
| 20:28.27 | thepro4ever | ONCE YOU GO DEBIAN, YOU NEVER GO BACK |
| 20:28.34 | SparFux | Hi all. Looking at bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=597942 it has been fixed and fixed packages uplaoded. I can even find them in ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gnunet/ but is there a standard aptitude / apt-get way to install them from there? |
| 20:28.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | lewis222, I see one very similar which seems to come from a faulty disk... dunno... I think it just means you're hitting the timeout but no hint as such is given why you're hitting it |
| 20:28.37 | kingsley | appletime: Yes, the old paper clip method is worth a try. Having said that, the box has two CD drives, and I find myself wondering which is on /dev/hdc. I suppose I could check the cabling. |
| 20:29.24 | leachim6 | ugh, this isn't working |
| 20:29.34 | leachim6 | I used CVT to generate an xorg modeline to feed into xrandr --newmode |
| 20:29.48 | themill | SparFux: /msg dpkg experimental |
| 20:30.07 | SparFux | themill> thx. |
| 20:30.34 | jhutchins_lt | SparFux: Make sure you have your online sources configured for main, aptitude update && aptitude install <package>. |
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| 20:30.41 | kingsley | Bushmills: I'm happy to report that "eject -t" turned on one of the CD drive's LEDs, which tells me which drive is on /dev/hdc. |
| 20:30.58 | leachim6 | I did "xrandr --newmode + what I got from cvt |
| 20:31.03 | leachim6 | it just keeps saying "cannot find mode" |
| 20:31.10 | leachim6 | I'm about to throw my computer out a window here |
| 20:31.11 | leachim6 | please helpo |
| 20:31.12 | leachim6 | *help |
| 20:31.25 | kingsley | Bushmills: The bad news? Neither a subsequent "eject", or pressing the eject button, opened the tray. |
| 20:31.33 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions gnunet-server |
| 20:31.34 | judd | Package gnunet-server on i386 -- sid: 0.8.1b-5; squeeze: 0.8.1b-5; experimental: 0.8.1b-6 |
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| 20:32.39 | Bushmills | leachim6, i am able to set my video to a mode which isn't listed, using the --mode command, but there's a trick needed on my hardware to set it correctly |
| 20:33.22 | thepro4ever | my cd won't eject when i hit the eject button OMG |
| 20:33.57 | leachim6 | Bushmills, what's the trick? |
| 20:34.19 | Bushmills | leachim6, the whole "procedure" to have the mode finally set up correctly is here: http://scarydevilmonastery.net/snap/1287865977147972788d.png |
| 20:34.44 | leachim6 | right, this script runs on startup? |
| 20:35.07 | leachim6 | right, but this is a laptop |
| 20:35.09 | leachim6 | only one monitor |
| 20:35.18 | leachim6 | so this is sort of irrelevant |
| 20:35.45 | babilen | kingsley: You could use lsof to see if there is a process using your cd drive. It might help to quit/kill that process. I am also sure that rebooting and hitting the eject button works. That, however, is not really an elegant solution |
| 20:35.51 | Bushmills | mine is a netbook |
| 20:36.04 | leachim6 | Bushmills, I just want to bash this pc to bits! |
| 20:36.06 | leachim6 | nothing works! |
| 20:36.07 | kingsley | Bushmills & appletime: For what it's worth, the paper clip trick seems to have loosened the CD drive's tray door. The computer had not been used for a while, and I suspect a mechanical problem. |
| 20:36.14 | leachim6 | I had this same problem before, and in an "aha moment" I fixed it |
| 20:36.16 | Bushmills | that script runs when window manager starts |
| 20:36.21 | leachim6 | but I don't remember how |
| 20:36.37 | Bushmills | in case vga is connected, it turns on xinerama. otherwise, single head |
| 20:36.47 | babilen | leachim6: Take notes (seriously!) |
| 20:36.48 | leachim6 | right, but I can't get the res right on the internal display |
| 20:36.54 | leachim6 | babilen, I started. |
| 20:36.57 | Bushmills | the trick is that i need to scale 2x2 before setting mode, and then scale 1x1 again |
| 20:37.16 | leachim6 | right, but tha'ts not the issue |
| 20:37.22 | leachim6 | the issue is when I try to set the mode to ANYTHING |
| 20:37.25 | leachim6 | I get an error |
| 20:37.28 | leachim6 | no matter what I typw! |
| 20:37.30 | leachim6 | *Type |
| 20:37.54 | Bushmills | mine doesn't know the 1280x1024 mode, and complains about mode not existing without doing that |
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| 20:38.05 | leachim6 | Bushmills, hmm, I'll try it |
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| 20:38.51 | leachim6 | :( |
| 20:39.04 | leachim6 | xrandr --output default --scale 2x2 just prints out help |
| 20:39.06 | leachim6 | UGH |
| 20:39.09 | leachim6 | why does it do that???? |
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| 20:39.21 | bla | leachim6, paste xrandr output (no parameters) on osme nopaste site |
| 20:39.30 | leachim6 | I told you |
| 20:39.38 | leachim6 | it prints out "xrandr help" |
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| 20:39.46 | leachim6 | oh |
| 20:39.49 | leachim6 | ok hold on |
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| 20:40.57 | leachim6 | pastie.caboo.se/1243597 |
| 20:41.21 | bla | I'm not sure how to check it but you should determine (/var/log/Xorg*log) what graphic driver does X use to talk to your graphic card. It might be stupid or wrongly detected. Also swapping it to VESA should give you 1280x1024 |
| 20:41.41 | bla | Hm, it's strange |
| 20:41.51 | bla | What driver does it use? |
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| 20:42.04 | leachim6 | no clue, everything is generic |
| 20:42.11 | leachim6 | my xorg.conf is like 10 lines long |
| 20:42.16 | bla | See log file, if in doubt paste in on this site |
| 20:42.25 | bla | /var/log/Xorg.0.log probably |
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| 20:43.41 | leachim6 | bla: pastie.org/1243604 |
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| 20:47.45 | bla | leachim6, looking |
| 20:48.22 | bla | Hm, ATI r128 |
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| 20:48.51 | leachim6 | it's old as sh** |
| 20:49.01 | leachim6 | but it does stuff like aim and irc just fine |
| 20:49.04 | leachim6 | it can also work as a media server |
| 20:49.25 | bla | This driver overdid some detection I guess |
| 20:49.32 | bla | It lists why it won't use certain resolutions |
| 20:49.33 | leachim6 | so how can I fix it? |
| 20:49.48 | bla | Yep, hm. I guess you should try writting whole xorg.conf |
| 20:50.02 | bla | To have device section with driver |
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| 20:50.16 | bla | First you can try forcing some resolution through the config, if it fails - switch to vesa driver. |
| 20:50.17 | ross` | what cron does debian use |
| 20:50.31 | bla | Also - do you have framebuffer enabled? (high-res console?) |
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| 20:50.42 | bla | If so - try turning it off (pass vga=0 at boot time) as it might conflict |
| 20:51.08 | WebDawg | why is debian 31 cd's? |
| 20:51.29 | deepy | You only need CD1, the other CDs are for adding more packages |
| 20:51.30 | bla | WebDawg, it has plenty of software. I (historically) always installed it from two floppies. |
| 20:51.40 | WebDawg | What about for dvd's? |
| 20:51.46 | deepy | same deal |
| 20:51.47 | bla | leachim6, try passing wider hsync value for screen. |
| 20:51.50 | WebDawg | Just get the first dvd? |
| 20:51.59 | WebDawg | the cd have any desktop environment |
| 20:52.01 | WebDawg | ??? |
| 20:52.10 | deepy | the install is the same in all methods, the only thing that changes is how many packages are included |
| 20:52.17 | WebDawg | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.6/i386/bt-dvd/ |
| 20:52.28 | WebDawg | What is with the debian 'update'>? |
| 20:52.30 | WebDawg | ???/ |
| 20:52.45 | deepy | you don't have to hit enter before writing the questionmark |
| 20:53.05 | bla | Also single questionmark does indeed mark the question sufficiently. |
| 20:53.14 | WebDawg | Truth. |
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| 20:53.50 | deepy | Not sure about the update one, but I assume it contains all you need to update your system from a previous release |
| 20:53.53 | themill | dpkg: tell WebDawg about update cd |
| 20:54.30 | WebDawg | Why, my friends, is there not a text info file in this torrent serving directory of this http server? Why does something say 'update' but have the same version of all the other discs? Does the first CD have a desktop environment? |
| 20:54.45 | deepy | oh, sorry, I'm wrong |
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| 20:54.55 | themill | WebDawg: all these things are covered in the CD FAQ dpkg just mentioned. |
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| 20:56.44 | xonoxo | hey! i know that this is not a debian specific question, but ##linux is so full and i don't wanna register now, so let me ask it in here, i'm sure you guys are tough enough to help me - my question is: how do i use "charmap" to set a certain charmap and how do i find out which charmap in /usr/share/i18n/charmaps is the right one? |
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| 20:58.15 | t3a | how do i set up a second monitor in kde debian |
| 20:59.08 | amphi | t3a: I expect there's a program called krandr (assuming your card & driver support xrandr) |
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| 21:00.44 | xonoxo | ok, will now head over to ##linux |
| 21:00.47 | xonoxo | ciao |
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| 21:04.37 | WebDawg | where is the net install, install guide. |
| 21:06.48 | jordanm | !install guide |
| 21:06.48 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.6) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
| 21:08.08 | aveng3r | Using debian PXE network image installation, does have any way of debian install the packages from a local network server? |
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| 21:09.21 | Tekk_ | sound stopped working in my squeeze install |
| 21:09.49 | Tekk_ | doesn't seem to be a reason for it, it just stopped. lspci still picks up the card though |
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| 21:11.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell Tekk_ about alsa checklist |
| 21:11.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess you can skip the bit about the group |
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| 21:11.55 | themill | Tekk_: also "/msg dpkg list alsa users" to see if something's hogging the card |
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| 21:12.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, right... probably more likely |
| 21:12.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's not in the checklist, is it? |
| 21:12.52 | Tekk_ | I tried alsamixer, it says there's no mixer |
| 21:12.54 | Tekk_ | well |
| 21:13.03 | Tekk_ | cannot open mixer: No such file or directory |
| 21:13.11 | badaxx | hey, this is my modified lilo.conf (i'm trying to run a vserver image): https://gist.github.com/a60a5d82545a7e9fa248 |
| 21:13.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, no, it's not |
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| 21:13.28 | Tekk_ | same with aumix |
| 21:13.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tekk_, then the alsa module for the sound card is probably not loaded |
| 21:13.35 | badaxx | "lilo" tells me that it found the Vserver entry and that it will boot with it. but after the reboot it's still running the first entry. in the logs there is nothing important about that |
| 21:13.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | or at least the mixer module |
| 21:14.10 | badaxx | can I somehow debug lilo? |
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| 21:14.36 | Tekk_ | CutMeOwnThroat: what would that be? snd-mixer-alsa? |
| 21:15.00 | tensorpudding | huh, people still using lilo |
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| 21:15.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | sounds like der bunny |
| 21:16.27 | badaxx | tensorpudding: yes, because grub doesnt support raid |
| 21:16.58 | Tekk_ | got it |
| 21:17.23 | Tekk_ | where do I need to add these lines so it works on boot again? |
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| 21:17.53 | amphi | Tekk_: just put the module names in /etc/modules |
| 21:17.59 | tensorpudding | GRUB 2 has support for mdadm doesn't it? |
| 21:18.35 | Tekk_ | amphi: but I also had to start alsa, where do I put that? |
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| 21:19.03 | Tekk_ | oh, rc.local |
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| 21:29.52 | albech | is there support for perc100 controller in the installer? |
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| 21:45.00 | cusco | hi |
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| 21:45.33 | cusco | I have this memory of seeing a web-site where I paste lspci and it checks for drivers availability.. I think the site was debian oriented |
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| 21:46.21 | babilen | albech: I am not sure -- Do you know its PCIID? Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ and use the kmuto images if you need a newer kernel than 2.6.26 (/msg dpkg kmuto) |
| 21:46.50 | babilen | cusco: ^^^ |
| 21:46.59 | cusco | that was it! |
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| 21:47.03 | cusco | cheers!! |
| 21:47.15 | babilen | cusco: I love coincidences like this :) |
| 21:47.34 | cusco | thanks |
| 21:48.53 | babilen | cusco, albech: http://wiki.debian.org/DeviceDatabase/PCI might also be helpful |
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| 22:08.50 | blast_hardcheese | Bleh; I'm having some issues getting alsa configured correctly, I've been dealing with not being able to have two sound applications open at the same time, but now I'm sick of it. If iceweasel hits a page that has Flash, the flash plugin grabs control of the soundcard and never lets go, I have to kill iceweasel every time I want to play music |
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| 22:09.25 | blast_hardcheese | Unfortunately this issue is complicated by the fact that I've got an unsupported internal soundcard, so I'm using my external USB soundcard |
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| 22:09.47 | blast_hardcheese | this shows up as card 1, but nothing is set up to use card 1, so autoconfiguration fails |
| 22:10.16 | jordanm | blast_hardcheese: pulseaudio or dmix, take your pick |
| 22:10.21 | blast_hardcheese | dmix please |
| 22:10.26 | jordanm | !dmix |
| 22:10.26 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dmix is an <ALSA> subsystem which allows an audio device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/Dmix or another sample asound.conf at http://img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 22:10.38 | blast_hardcheese | pulseaudio crashed applications that didn't directly support it |
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| 22:13.10 | amphi | blast_hardcheese: try removing the oss emu modules |
| 22:13.14 | blast_hardcheese | Holy crap, it actually works |
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| 22:14.00 | blast_hardcheese | Two hours wasted in #alsa, should have just asked here |
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| 22:15.09 | tdn | I have put net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1 in /etc/sysctl.d/50-ip-forward, however, /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward contains 0 after each reboot. How do I fix this? |
| 22:16.36 | haarp | hey. im setting up a server with an encrypted drive to hold backups on. some services (backuppc) will depend on the drive being available when they start. is there any solution for this? some init scripts that asks for the password before the backuppc init script starts or something? |
| 22:19.37 | blast_hardcheese | jordanm, amphi: Thanks a bunch, (amphi as well, even though I didn't end up using your suggestion, I appreciate the response; Most of my two hours in #alsa was spent waiting for responses, fumbling around on my own) |
| 22:20.31 | amphi | at least you don't have to use pulseaudio ;) |
| 22:21.11 | blast_hardcheese | Yeah, tell me about it. |
| 22:21.27 | blast_hardcheese | I had to kill -9 processes that locked up after they realized they had to use pulseaudio |
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| 22:30.08 | Azrael- | Is there any way to disable Ctrl-Alt-F9 to Ctrl-Alt-F12 switching to those ttys? |
| 22:30.16 | Azrael- | I want to remap them to switch to workspaces. |
| 22:32.21 | blast_hardcheese | Azrael-: You want to disable the ability to switch to virtual terminals completely? |
| 22:32.38 | Azrael- | no, only 9 to 12 |
| 22:32.56 | Azrael- | i don't even have that many, just the default six and then 7 is xorg |
| 22:32.58 | blast_hardcheese | Hmm. |
| 22:33.17 | blast_hardcheese | I don't think there's that low-level control over /which/ vts to switch to |
| 22:33.20 | tdn | I have put net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1 in /etc/sysctl.d/50-ip-forward, however, /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward contains 0 after each reboot. How do I fix this? |
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| 22:36.07 | blast_hardcheese | tdn: "Files found under the /etc/sysctl.d directory that end with .conf are parsed within sysctl(8) at boot time." |
| 22:36.23 | blast_hardcheese | That was found in /etc/sysctl.d/README.sysctl |
| 22:36.58 | blast_hardcheese | Azrael-: I don't actually know what controls ctrl+alt+F#, that might be hackable |
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| 22:37.21 | Azrael- | ##linux says it's not possible |
| 22:37.25 | Azrael- | not offering any real reason |
| 22:37.31 | blast_hardcheese | Huh. |
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| 22:38.05 | g0rd0n | i currently have a load of 11.xx but the cpu in top shows almost no activity... so how can i find out what is causing that load? |
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| 22:38.36 | tdn | blast_hardcheese, thanks. |
| 22:38.46 | blast_hardcheese | tdn: no prob |
| 22:41.58 | blast_hardcheese | Azrael-: I have no idea, I'm sorry |
| 22:42.07 | blast_hardcheese | g0rd0n: top? |
| 22:42.15 | blast_hardcheese | Oh, sorry, missed that you said top |
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| 22:42.59 | g0rd0n | i restored a 500 mb mysql db, it's actually finished theoretically... but maybe mysql is doing something in the background, no idea... |
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| 22:46.00 | peterrooney | g0rd0n: ps -ef f (my favourite tool) |
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| 22:49.57 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 22:50.04 | lenswipe | something has captured my sound card so i cant hear anything |
| 22:50.08 | lenswipe | how do i kill it? |
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| 22:51.01 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 22:51.12 | lenswipe | something has captured my sound card so i cant hear anything |
| 22:51.15 | lenswipe | how do i kill it? |
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| 22:51.41 | et | sudo lsof|grep dsp |
| 22:51.49 | lenswipe | ty |
| 22:52.32 | jordanm | that assumes two things.. a) you have configured sudo b) the application is a legacy one that is using oss compatibility. |
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| 22:53.11 | lenswipe | audiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512 ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink profile=chat: Could not open audio device for playback. |
| 22:53.13 | lenswipe | thats the message |
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| 22:54.18 | lenswipe | can someone help? |
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| 22:55.11 | ewoerner | great... either my disk just died, or some upgrade killed my grub :-( |
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| 22:57.13 | lenswipe | jordanm, any ideas? |
| 22:57.23 | lenswipe | jordanm, i just started my machine and i have no sound |
| 22:58.08 | lenswipe | guyd this is ridiculous, ima do a reboot |
| 22:58.10 | lenswipe | guys* |
| 22:58.37 | ewoerner | hm, apparently grub somehow messed paths up |
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| 22:58.53 | cast | lol @ rediculous |
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| 22:59.04 | cast | for the first 6 months i used gnu/linux i had no sound and no X |
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| 22:59.53 | kingsley | When installing a hard drive, and placing a jumper across pins, what does the term "dual" master mean? |
| 23:00.43 | jordanm | my guess would be for a configuration with three devices on a single cable. scsi or ide? |
| 23:01.22 | kingsley | This is an IDE drive. |
| 23:01.40 | LinuxNIT | ive been using elive but am looking at running debian (lenny or sid). Both lenny and sid are producing about 500 FPS in glxgears but elive is producing about 1300. intel onboard video i915. what should i compare to see if i can get sid to perform about the same? |
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| 23:02.00 | Coweater | kingsley: dual refers to having two drives on the cable, one will be master ("dual" master) and one slave |
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| 23:02.23 | Coweater | with modern 80-pin cables though you just use cable select |
| 23:02.55 | cast | and with modern cables....it's serial! |
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| 23:04.05 | Coweater | er, not 80-pin, 80 conductor i meant |
| 23:04.05 | kingsley | Coweater: You may be right. My only concern is that I recall configuring other drives where the explicit designation of "master" or "slave" was sufficient. "Dual" seems to me to be either superfluous, or to possibly have another meaning. |
| 23:04.58 | Coweater | it's superfluous pretty much |
| 23:05.30 | Azrael- | LinuxNIT, sounds like you just don't have the proprietary drivers in linux |
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| 23:05.54 | icebrain | Azrael-: elive is Debian based, apparently |
| 23:05.59 | Azrael- | indeed |
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| 23:06.03 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | How do I make lxde to use metacity instead of openbox? |
| 23:06.15 | LinuxNIT | Azrael-, are they in a repo? |
| 23:06.19 | Azrael- | so the only way that there could be that much of a difference would be that elive does driver setup out-of-the-box |
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| 23:06.28 | Azrael- | yeah, they should be |
| 23:06.32 | Azrael- | what graphics card have you got? |
| 23:06.35 | icebrain | also, I thought Intel drivers were Free? |
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| 23:06.49 | Azrael- | gratis ou libre? |
| 23:07.05 | LinuxNIT | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) |
| 23:07.13 | icebrain | Azrael-: libre |
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| 23:08.33 | Azrael- | the easiest way to test this: glxinfo | grep rendering |
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| 23:09.05 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 23:09.08 | lenswipe | i have no sound |
| 23:09.14 | lenswipe | can someone help me get my sound working |
| 23:09.21 | Azrael- | your taste in music is probably rubbish anyway |
| 23:09.21 | lenswipe | i get an error when i go into preferences > sound > test |
| 23:09.38 | lenswipe | Azrael-, i repeat |
| 23:09.42 | lenswipe | <lenswipe> hey guys |
| 23:09.42 | lenswipe | <lenswipe> i have no sound |
| 23:09.44 | lenswipe | c* #debian :http://www.debian.org |
| 23:09.45 | lenswipe | <lenswipe> can someone help me get my sound working |
| 23:09.45 | lenswipe | <lenswipe> i get an error when i go into preferences > sound > test |
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| 23:09.53 | LinuxNIT | Azrael-, the result is yes on that in both Sid and elive |
| 23:09.58 | Azrael- | hmm |
| 23:10.02 | Xenguy | !sound |
| 23:10.02 | dpkg | sound is probably ask me about <alsa>, <install alsa>, <alsa checklist>, <alsa firmware>, <alsa versions>, <ac97>, <dmix>, <esound>, <arts>, <devdsp>, <rs>. |
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| 23:10.12 | Azrael- | "<dpkg> sound is probably ask me about ..." |
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| 23:10.20 | icebrain | !sound |
| 23:10.24 | dpkg | i guess sound is ask me about <alsa>, <install alsa>, <alsa checklist>, <alsa firmware>, <alsa versions>, <ac97>, <dmix>, <esound>, <arts>, <devdsp>, <rs>. |
| 23:10.24 | lenswipe | anyoner? |
| 23:10.27 | lenswipe | ice799, *NOT* helpful |
| 23:10.34 | Azrael- | lenswipe, it's helpful |
| 23:10.39 | lenswipe | Azrael-, no its not |
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| 23:10.40 | Guest30810 | just to confirm something when i use the torrent dvd dowbnload i only needd one of the 5 listed dvd images right? |
| 23:10.47 | lenswipe | i just started up my machine and when i click test i get audiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512 ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink profile=chat: Could not open audio device for playback. |
| 23:10.49 | themill | lenswipe: less with the repeating, less with the pasting and more with the thinking about things for yourself. |
| 23:11.02 | lenswipe | themill, i dont follow |
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| 23:11.35 | lenswipe | themill, do you know why debian just suddenly decided i didnt need sound anymor? |
| 23:11.42 | lenswipe | or does debian do that every now and then |
| 23:11.49 | lenswipe | just generally take a shit for no good reason |
| 23:12.02 | Azrael- | it's a built-in Feature© |
| 23:12.09 | Azrael- | hmm LinuxNIT i can't remember how to check which driver you're running |
| 23:12.20 | blip2 | lenswipe: ALSA or jack? |
| 23:12.20 | themill | lenswipe: if you refuse to even try to help yourself and start ranting, then I doubt anyone is going to spend the time helping you. |
| 23:12.23 | Azrael- | it will quite probably say in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 23:12.24 | lenswipe | blip2, asla |
| 23:12.27 | blip2 | \o/ |
| 23:12.32 | kingsley | Coweater: For what it's worth, I'm happy to report that you prompted me to reconfigure a hard drive (that does not share its cable) from "dual (master)" to "single", and at least two drive related problems seem to have cleared up. |
| 23:12.36 | lenswipe | themill, id love to help myself, i just dont know what to do |
| 23:12.56 | lenswipe | themill, googling the error doesnt produce any meaningful results |
| 23:12.57 | Azrael- | LinuxNIT, grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 23:12.57 | Xenguy | lenswipe: well if it was working before, what changed? |
| 23:13.04 | lenswipe | Xenguy, nothing |
| 23:13.12 | Xenguy | lenswipe: I don't believe that |
| 23:13.15 | lenswipe | i shut my pc down, went to my friends, came back, booted it up and got this crap |
| 23:13.16 | LinuxNIT | Driver "intel" |
| 23:13.23 | Azrael- | on both? |
| 23:13.25 | LinuxNIT | same in both |
| 23:13.33 | Xenguy | lenswipe: did you hibernate, or shutdown? |
| 23:13.44 | lenswipe | Xenguy, shutdown |
| 23:13.44 | LinuxNIT | i even tried using the elive xorg.conf in sid and had no change |
| 23:13.50 | lenswipe | Xenguy, its a desktop |
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| 23:14.05 | Azrael- | how the hell is elive apparently getting nearly three times as many frames per second |
| 23:14.18 | LinuxNIT | dunno. i emailed the dev |
| 23:14.38 | lenswipe | Xenguy, any ideas? |
| 23:14.38 | Xenguy | lenswipe: the 'sound' factoid is the best place to start for troubleshooting sound |
| 23:14.38 | Azrael- | you're not running extra stuff on either of them are you? compiz or anything like that? |
| 23:14.42 | lenswipe | !sound |
| 23:14.42 | dpkg | it has been said that sound is ask me about <alsa>, <install alsa>, <alsa checklist>, <alsa firmware>, <alsa versions>, <ac97>, <dmix>, <esound>, <arts>, <devdsp>, <rs>. |
| 23:14.47 | LinuxNIT | e17 on both |
| 23:14.53 | Kitrana | just to confirm something when i use the torrent dvd download i only need one of the 5 listed dvd images right? |
| 23:14.53 | LinuxNIT | no compiz |
| 23:15.07 | LinuxNIT | even did gnome/metacity on sid... same FPS |
| 23:15.14 | lenswipe | Xenguy, yeah but none of those things help, its instructions on how to install asla and crap |
| 23:15.26 | Xenguy | lenswipe: but from what you're saying, is it possibly a hardware failure? |
| 23:15.29 | lenswipe | Xenguy, i have everything installed, its just broken somewhere along the line or something is hogging the soundcard |
| 23:15.49 | lenswipe | Xenguy, no, ive had this error before and it turned out to be something hogging the soundcard |
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| 23:16.03 | Xenguy | takes a break for food... |
| 23:16.20 | lenswipe | right |
| 23:16.21 | lenswipe | anyone else? |
| 23:16.30 | lenswipe | can someone help me get sound working on this damn computer? |
| 23:16.37 | lenswipe | surely thats a fairly normal everyday requirement of an OS |
| 23:16.40 | lenswipe | sound support |
| 23:16.46 | whodevil | I'm wondering if anyone can point me at what goes into the "mail server" package that is offered at install time? |
| 23:16.47 | lenswipe | this being 2010 and not 1810 |
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| 23:17.03 | lenswipe | whodevil, sendmail and postfix id imagine |
| 23:17.39 | LinuxNIT | lenswipe, are you just not getting sound or are you getting errors? |
| 23:17.55 | lenswipe | linux_probe, im not getting sound |
| 23:18.12 | lenswipe | linux_probe, at least not through ALSA, if i change it to hdageneric it works |
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| 23:18.26 | jordanm | judd: versions e17 |
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| 23:18.32 | LinuxNIT | i had that happen once and i had an obscure bar in the sound mixer muted |
| 23:18.40 | LinuxNIT | oh then use hdageneric :) |
| 23:18.51 | lenswipe | linux_probe, but i want to use alsa |
| 23:18.58 | lenswipe | LinuxNIT, i wana use alsa |
| 23:19.08 | LinuxNIT | run alsaconf |
| 23:19.17 | lenswipe | LinuxNIT, okay i have no sound now |
| 23:19.46 | lenswipe | LinuxNIT, what is it with debian? |
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| 23:19.59 | lenswipe | LinuxNIT, ive had nothing but an uphill struggle with debian since i installed it |
| 23:20.08 | lenswipe | is squeeze gonna be better? |
| 23:20.08 | LinuxNIT | dunno i have always loved it |
| 23:20.21 | LinuxNIT | package manament is so much easier |
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| 23:20.33 | lenswipe | LinuxNIT, i love it too.... |
| 23:20.34 | cast | Kitrana: yes, the first one. |
| 23:20.36 | lenswipe | LinuxNIT, ....sometimes |
| 23:20.49 | lenswipe | LinuxNIT, its just such a pain in the arse sometimes |
| 23:20.50 | Kitrana | cast cool gthanks. i figured as much but wanted to make sure |
| 23:20.54 | lenswipe | anyone know why i have no sound? |
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| 23:21.25 | LinuxNIT | lenswipe, well honestly with the issue im having.... its not a debian thing. ubuntu and suse all have the same FPS for glxgears |
| 23:21.33 | LinuxNIT | elive is the odd one out... and it is debian based. |
| 23:21.47 | LinuxNIT | Fedora core too i believe |
| 23:21.53 | lenswipe | LinuxNIT, this has happened to me several times and then it just goes away by itself |
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| 23:22.03 | LinuxNIT | sounds like a hardware issue |
| 23:22.07 | lenswipe | except i dont know what makes it go away or how long its going to take |
| 23:22.14 | lenswipe | LinuxNIT, it hasnt done it for ages |
| 23:22.25 | lenswipe | and Gigabyte basically told me to f*** myself if i was using linux |
| 23:22.30 | LinuxNIT | things that come and go on their own with out changes to the system (installs updates configuration chagnes) |
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| 23:22.41 | judd | Package e17 on i386 -- sid: 0.16.999.49898-1 |
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| 23:24.57 | lenswipe | can someone help me get my sound to work |
| 23:25.01 | lenswipe | i get the message gconfaudiosrc ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink profile=chat: Could not open audio device for playback. |
| 23:25.07 | lenswipe | when i click test under sound options |
| 23:25.13 | blast_hardcheese | Unfortunately elive's intro video convinces me that the people who designed elive don't understand what beautiful means |
| 23:25.49 | jordanm | also, their license is non-free |
| 23:25.58 | themill | dpkg: tell lenswipe about repeat |
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| 23:26.10 | themill | lenswipe: you might also like to /msg dpkg list alsa users |
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| 23:26.50 | blast_hardcheese | jordanm: Oh jeez; Their 'screenshots' section is completely obnoxious |
| 23:26.53 | Laptop_Brain | i have a problem. i installed this package and now my room is full of annoying insects. |
| 23:26.58 | Laptop_Brain | apparently someone put 'locusts' on the dep list. |
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| 23:27.15 | blast_hardcheese | flashing "enter gallery" gifs ftl |
| 23:27.29 | Laptop_Brain | blast_hardcheese: what site is this |
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| 23:27.48 | blast_hardcheese | Laptop_Brain: http://www.elivecd.org |
| 23:27.54 | Laptop_Brain | a deb fork? |
| 23:28.04 | blast_hardcheese | That comes preconfigured with E17 |
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| 23:28.32 | Laptop_Brain | well, i cant view their gallery. |
| 23:28.39 | Laptop_Brain | noscript blocks their retarded scripts |
| 23:28.55 | lenswipe | themill, didnt work |
| 23:29.21 | themill | dpkg: tell lenswipe about didn't work |
| 23:29.58 | blast_hardcheese | I still prefer plain ol' wmii |
| 23:30.04 | blast_hardcheese | no nonsense |
| 23:30.18 | Knorrie | nn |
| 23:30.22 | Knorrie | ho |
| 23:30.27 | LinuxNIT | yeah well maybe the site does suck i dont really care... but the FPS is kicking the pants of debian at the moment. |
| 23:30.44 | lenswipe | themill, let me clarify that |
| 23:30.45 | LinuxNIT | id like to get it working as well in sid |
| 23:30.51 | icebrain | LinuxNIT: maybe they run a self-compiled, newer version of the drivers? |
| 23:30.54 | LinuxNIT | or lenny either one |
| 23:30.56 | lenswipe | themill, i tried the suggestions from that factoid and i am still without sound |
| 23:31.29 | Azrael- | if they can more than double the framerate just by using a newer version of the drivers |
| 23:31.43 | Azrael- | i really need to learn how to do that and compile the kernel and stuff |
| 23:31.54 | LinuxNIT | sids driver is much newr |
| 23:32.08 | LinuxNIT | icebrain, xserver-xorg-video-intel this package? |
| 23:32.11 | lenswipe | themill, am i somehow being unreasonable expecting a computer of 2010 to be able to do complex things like play DVDs and music? |
| 23:32.15 | nickaugust | can i change my tty console backround from blac to white? |
| 23:32.17 | lenswipe | or dont linux users listen to music? |
| 23:32.21 | themill | dpkg: tell lenswipe about ranting |
| 23:32.22 | themill | lenswipe: which suggestions from which factoid? Did you get a list of programs that were touching the sound card or not? Did you then kill some of them to see if that made a difference? |
| 23:32.37 | icebrain | LinuxNIT: probably |
| 23:32.45 | themill | lenswipe: you'd do better to focus on solving your problem rather than spending your time ranting and generally pissing people off. |
| 23:32.47 | LinuxNIT | it appears to be from lenny |
| 23:32.48 | lenswipe | themill, <dpkg> themill wants you to know: Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 23:32.55 | lenswipe | themill, that factoid |
| 23:33.10 | lenswipe | i followed it, killed the processes that showed up and i still have no sound |
| 23:33.16 | lenswipe | themill, oops, wrong factoid |
| 23:33.27 | lenswipe | <dpkg> To see what processes are using (and perhaps blocking) your sound device: ps `lsof +D /dev -F rt | awk '/^p/ {pid=$1} /^t/ {type=$1} /^r0x74..$/ && type == "tCHR" {print pid} /^r0xe..$/ && type == "tCHR" {print pid}' | cut -c 2- | uniq`. Alternatively, fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp /dev/mixer |
| 23:33.28 | lenswipe | that one |
| 23:33.44 | lenswipe | themill, im going to try rebooting _AGAIN) |
| 23:33.51 | themill | *sigh* |
| 23:34.45 | jordanm | themill: if you try something that doesn't fix the problem enough times, eventually it will work. don't you know anything about computers? :P |
| 23:35.15 | themill | indeed... |
| 23:35.16 | LinuxNIT | jordanm, this is quite possible with intermittent issues |
| 23:35.18 | LinuxNIT | :) |
| 23:35.46 | jordanm | nah.. because then you still have intermittent issues, just not right this second |
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| 23:36.36 | lenswipe | themill, and now i have sound back |
| 23:36.36 | icebrain | LinuxNIT: maybe it's KMS? I hear it can slow things down... but I don't know if Lenny has that enabled by default |
| 23:36.41 | lenswipe | themill, all i did is reboot a crapload of times |
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| 23:37.12 | jordanm | lenswipe: and learned nothing in the process |
| 23:37.23 | lenswipe | jordanm, i learned that linux works like windows: |
| 23:37.26 | LinuxNIT | icebrain, how would i disable that? |
| 23:37.33 | lenswipe | reboot about 5-6 times per issue to fix |
| 23:37.36 | icebrain | LinuxNIT: not sure, sorry. |
| 23:37.42 | LinuxNIT | ok ill google it |
| 23:37.49 | LinuxNIT | ill probably have to try it later |
| 23:37.52 | lenswipe | jordanm, i dont see how i couldve learned anything from it |
| 23:37.59 | icebrain | LinuxNIT: try asking dpkg /msg dpkg kms |
| 23:38.34 | LinuxNIT | thanks ice799 |
| 23:38.36 | LinuxNIT | icebrain, |
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| 23:38.50 | LinuxNIT | have to walk out the door shortly.... ill try it later |
| 23:39.07 | icebrain | LinuxNIT: not sure if that's the real problem, just throwing suggestions :) |
| 23:39.08 | icebrain | ok |
| 23:39.12 | LinuxNIT | eyah |
| 23:39.15 | LinuxNIT | yeah i know |
| 23:39.41 | LinuxNIT | well yall have fun... bbl |
| 23:44.11 | icebrain | btw, I have an USB hd connected to an old laptop using a PCMCIA to USB2.0 adapter, formatted with LVM partitions. It seems to work fine, but having some hours connected (especially using constant IO like running torrents) it starts giving me IO errors. Suggestions? |
| 23:44.50 | icebrain | the disk seems to work fine when connected to a newer laptop's usb port |
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| 23:51.09 | cast | use less convoluted hardware setups |
| 23:51.34 | cast | maybe your PCMCIA to USB2 adaptor is flaky |
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| 23:56.11 | *** join/#debian Apeiron` (~Apeiron@dblt-74-209-35-157.gtcom.net) |
| 23:56.29 | nsadmin | but my pcmcia to serialport to usb to ethernet back to usb works just fine! |
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