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| 00:03.40 | jhutchins | So xsane can't find the SCSI scanner with the .32 kernel from lenny backports, but finds it just fine with the .26. Bugreport against the kernel, right? Backports has a seperate tracker? |
| 00:04.03 | jhutchins | ftp.us.debian.org appears to be feeling unwell this evening. |
| 00:05.10 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | How do I make slim to list lxde as a session in Debian? |
| 00:05.24 | jhutchins | Outage on level3.net |
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| 00:08.47 | icebrain | cast: maybe. Seems to work fine for wireless, though. |
| 00:09.28 | icebrain | nsadmin: cheapest way to get it to work :) buying a new machine is impossible for me ATM |
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| 00:20.32 | icebrain | LVM is giving me "read failed after 0 of 4096 at 0: Input/output error", even after reconnecting the device. Is there any way to reset it without rebooting? |
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| 00:21.03 | tijd | hey i have a question is there any iso that i can download so i can used. example x86_amd64 |
| 00:21.17 | icebrain | !download |
| 00:21.17 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 00:21.55 | icebrain | tijd: for amd64, use http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.6/amd64/iso-cd/debian-506-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 00:22.14 | tijd | icebrain x86_amd64 arch linux does it. |
| 00:22.19 | tijd | so i was wondering if debian did too |
| 00:22.33 | icebrain | tijd: did what? |
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| 00:23.44 | rww | tijd: yes, Debian supports amd64. |
| 00:24.13 | rww | (amd64 is the same thing as x86_64. x86_amd64 is not a thing.) |
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| 00:26.10 | cast | though note that amd64 and intel64 are different, and x86_64 generally refers to the intersect between the two |
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| 00:28.49 | links234 | iirc, ia-64 is dead almost |
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| 00:29.07 | icebrain | and amd64 == x86_64, afaik |
| 00:30.14 | icebrain | oh, actually it's not, sorry |
| 00:31.21 | cast | vim 7.3 is out! |
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| 00:32.51 | chomwitt | i run swat in my browser but i cant find any process named swat, so i wonder whether is being executed inside xinetd or sth else? |
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| 00:34.38 | links234 | chomwitt: swat = samba |
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| 00:35.40 | chomwitt | links234: what about /usr/sbin/swat ? |
| 00:36.06 | links234 | chomwitt: with swat, you can manage the samba server by a browser |
| 00:36.33 | links234 | chomwitt: my synaptic told me this |
| 00:37.33 | chomwitt | links234: but i can visit localhost:901 even if samba is not running. so i guess a program must be executing diffrent than smbd |
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| 00:43.49 | links234 | 901? nfs something? |
| 00:44.41 | links234 | sorry, the port 901 is for swat |
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| 00:45.40 | links234 | the xinetd will wake swat up when the first request comes in |
| 00:45.45 | jpinx-eeepc | !swat |
| 00:45.45 | dpkg | methinks swat is Special Weapons And Tactics, or <Samba> Web Administration Tool: 'aptitude install swat', enable it in /etc/inetd.conf if necessary and 'invoke-rc.d openbsd-inetd restart', then point your web browser at http://localhost:901/ |
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| 00:48.08 | links234 | samba is too dangerous for me |
| 00:48.18 | links234 | as well as nfs |
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| 00:49.18 | mjmt | How is NFS dangerous? |
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| 00:57.11 | chomwitt | links234: thanks. you'r rigth |
| 00:58.02 | chomwitt | links234: i managed to see swat process. it appears for only a sec when for example i start controllin samba from within swat's web interface |
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| 00:59.13 | chomwitt | chomwitt: i wish there has tool to watch not only currently running processes but their history. |
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| 01:11.07 | foo | rkhunter is saying this: http://pastebin.com/Nhn2A293 Â any ideas? I think it's because something is wrong with rkhunter... - any thoughts? It wouldn't be that big of a deal, but I'm getting rkhunter e-mails daily |
| 01:13.15 | Xenguy | foo: your (minor) version of debian appears to have changed? |
| 01:14.59 | foo | Xenguy: I'm on debian 5.0.6 - fwiw. Not sure what you mean... I keep on top of the updates |
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| 01:15.48 | Xenguy | foo: yes, 5.0.6 is current stable. When you update your system, rkhunter will notice... |
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| 01:16.15 | Xenguy | foo: only if the changes rkhunter reports are legitimate, then you should update rkhunter... |
| 01:16.19 | foo | Xenguy: That's what I thought. I've tried to apt-get remove --purge rkhunter and reinstall... but it keeps complaining... any tips? I feel like these are false positives |
| 01:16.30 | foo | rkhunter --update shows no updates |
| 01:16.42 | Xenguy | foo: with 'rkhunter --propupd' |
| 01:17.01 | Xenguy | --propupd Update the file properties database |
| 01:17.10 | foo | Xenguy: eek, never heard of that. File updated: searched for 153 files, found 126 |
| 01:17.17 | foo | Xenguy: I think that might have helped... will see :) |
| 01:17.19 | Xenguy | foo: that will update rkhunter with any legitimate system/file changes |
| 01:17.25 | foo | thanks |
| 01:17.28 | Xenguy | foo: yw |
| 01:17.28 | foo | that might have done it |
| 01:17.38 | Xenguy | foo: yes, it will work |
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| 01:24.49 | dclarke | I installed lenny on amd64 and then compiled new make, bison, libiconv however the iconv binary seems to be missing a rpath data in the ELF header and thus dynamic libs are not located corrected despite LD_RUN_PATH being set correctly. Is there some bizarre incantation required to enforce RPATH data in the ELF headers? |
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| 01:25.04 | darkkrai | I need help resolving some dependencies... |
| 01:25.28 | darkkrai | I' |
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| 01:25.34 | darkkrai | ll get a pastebin up in a sec |
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| 01:26.19 | darkkrai | http://pastesite.com/19639 |
| 01:27.28 | LinuxGuy2009 | I ditched ubuntu for debian stable cause I got tired of so many core system bugs. I was thinking of trying debian sid to get the newer packages but wanted to ask if I should expect sid to be just as bad as ubuntu as far as stability and reliablility goes? |
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| 01:27.37 | dclarke | darkkrai: see http://prep.ai.mit.edu/pub/gnu/gnutls/ |
| 01:28.01 | akio | LinuxGuy2009: If stability you seek, not do not seek sid. |
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| 01:28.12 | darkkrai | which one do I need? |
| 01:28.13 | dclarke | LinuxGuy2009: just build the software yourself |
| 01:28.18 | legis | LinuxGuy2009: use backports |
| 01:28.28 | darkkrai | tried gnutls-2.4.3.tar.bz2 |
| 01:28.29 | LinuxGuy2009 | Ok just wanted to check. |
| 01:28.29 | akio | pinning is good too |
| 01:28.53 | dclarke | darkkrai: grab the latest there gnutls-2.10.2.tar.bz2 |
| 01:29.10 | dclarke | configure: error: Package requirements (gnutls >= 1.6.3 gnutls <= 2.5.0 ) were not met: |
| 01:29.50 | dclarke | darkkrai: so please try to build gnutls-2.10.2.tar.bz2 and ./configue that .. make check and install it |
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| 01:30.19 | dclarke | darkkrai: what are you trying to build please ? |
| 01:30.26 | stew | dclarke: 2.10 is also > 2.5.0 |
| 01:30.28 | darkkrai | libiphone |
| 01:30.39 | darkkrai | trying to use ifuse over the usb |
| 01:30.46 | darkkrai | to connect to my ipt1g |
| 01:30.55 | darkkrai | http://www.hackint0sh.org/f128/62343.htm |
| 01:30.56 | dclarke | intersting .. never heard of it ;-) |
| 01:31.06 | darkkrai | I need to fix some idroid files :) |
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| 01:32.08 | dclarke | stew: thats odd .. why would the app require a lower rev I wonder |
| 01:32.25 | LinuxGuy2009 | I also wanted to ask if there is any way to tell debian to always keep a certain list of packages installed even if I do the whole "aptitude purge ~i ~pimportant+ ~pstandard+ ~prequired+" to strip the system down to change out the desktop environment for a different one. Any way to do that with dpkg flags or any other way? |
| 01:33.01 | dclarke | has no clueabout such things |
| 01:33.02 | stew | LinuxGuy2009: aptitude purge ~i ~pimportant+ ~pstandard+ ~prequired+ packagename+ anotherpackage+ |
| 01:33.26 | dclarke | why ~ <-- tilde ? |
| 01:33.54 | stew | dclarke: ~i stands for "installed, ~pimportant means "Priority: important", etc |
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| 01:34.25 | dclarke | nods like he gets it and still has no clue |
| 01:35.13 | LinuxGuy2009 | dclarke: The command I gave strips the system to a bare installation basically. |
| 01:36.07 | darkkrai | the app still wont install :/ |
| 01:36.17 | dclarke | cool! I'll have to try that someday. |
| 01:36.40 | dclarke | darkkrai: where are the sources for this thing? |
| 01:36.55 | dclarke | can I see them somewhere ? |
| 01:36.58 | darkkrai | http://www.hackint0sh.org/f128/62343.htm |
| 01:37.02 | darkkrai | its in git |
| 01:38.44 | darkkrai | imma bbl |
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| 01:45.21 | dj | hey i have a question is there any iso that i can download so i can use. arch x86_amd64 |
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| 01:49.12 | rww | dj: umm. someone answered this for you earlier. |
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| 02:08.53 | HermanDE | Any openldap pros hidden here? |
| 02:09.07 | nsadmin | !ask |
| 02:09.08 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 02:10.37 | HermanDE | nsadmin, I get it... Just very tired of going through the education of someone who shouldn't have tried to start to answer the question... |
| 02:11.58 | beardy | Everyone is tired of metaquestions too. |
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| 02:14.30 | nsadmin | it sounds to me like you want to cut thru bullshit and wastes of time... perhaps you could find a consultant if you need fast professional help |
| 02:14.41 | akio | What are the differences between the netinst and businesscard iso's? |
| 02:15.15 | nsadmin | netinst are on larger filesystems, and that space is used to contain the base packages and the installer |
| 02:15.40 | nsadmin | for the businesscard one, early access to the net is required |
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| 02:16.28 | akio | so the bc image doesn't have the installer or base packages on it, it downloads then after dhcp on the wire? |
| 02:17.03 | nsadmin | I believe so, yes |
| 02:17.07 | stew | it has the installer but not the base packages |
| 02:17.11 | akio | sweet |
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| 02:18.21 | nsadmin | so the basic requirement is, you would need early net access, which means the kernel on the buscard cd must support your net hardware |
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| 02:19.19 | nsadmin | while this is not strictly required on the netinst cd (given it could install the base from the cd), if you have it it will write the config such that your network will be up when you boot |
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| 02:20.42 | NOMADICUS | Hello. |
| 02:20.47 | thepro4ever | i just ran an app that went into fullscreen mode then exited, now my display doesn't fit all they way on the screen, my mouse lets me move left and right to see the whole thing, is there an easy way to reset my display without rebooting? |
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| 02:22.17 | stew | thepro4ever: try changing modes with xrandr? |
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| 02:23.22 | NOMADICUS | In my fstab, what changes or additions would I need to make inorder to point my temp directory to a directory on a different partition? |
| 02:24.30 | thepro4ever | stew: omg that made my whole display fit in the upper left hand corner, but i can still scroll past this screen to the right and down, its like that command made everything visible on a fourth of the screen |
| 02:24.49 | thepro4ever | stew: the fourth thats in the upper left |
| 02:24.53 | stew | thepro4ever: what command did you run? |
| 02:24.57 | thepro4ever | xrandr |
| 02:25.02 | stew | with no arguments? |
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| 02:25.34 | thepro4ever | well i forgot to call it in my program, i've made 8 so far and this is the first i forgot to call Quit() |
| 02:25.51 | thepro4ever | stew: yes with no arguments |
| 02:26.25 | stew | i'd not have expected that to do anything but list possible modes |
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| 02:26.26 | thepro4ever | stew: i caused this dilemma with an app i was writting but i don't know my OS well enough to reset my display |
| 02:26.53 | thepro4ever | stew: i forgot to call cleanup when it exited now my display is stuck |
| 02:26.59 | stew | thepro4ever: see what mode it is in now and if its a sane mode, if not, use xrandr to choose another |
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| 02:27.48 | edbian | I'm trying to run compiz standalone but when I start it I get errors. When I click close it automatically logs me out. Compiz appears to have crashed. If I do compiz>/path/to/file& can I get the output in a file? |
| 02:28.15 | thepro4ever | stew: hah, it says current 1440 x 900 , i don't know what my normal resolution usually is |
| 02:28.54 | thepro4ever | stew: that is the maximum on my system |
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| 02:36.58 | thepro4ever | stew: i did a /etc/init.d/gdm restart and my desktop looks normal again, i did a xrandr and it appears to always be set to the max resolution, i don't still don't know the proper way to fix it if i fuck up again |
| 02:38.05 | darkkrai | When I try to install libiphone, I get the following output... -> http://pastesite.com/19639 |
| 02:38.10 | darkkrai | I'm running debian squeeze |
| 02:40.36 | stew | darkkrai: you'd have to use the libgnutls-dev from stable |
| 02:40.43 | darkkrai | hmm |
| 02:40.57 | darkkrai | when I try to remove libgnutls-dev it wants to remove my whole system xD |
| 02:41.20 | edbian | darkkrai: Install the dev package first. |
| 02:42.08 | darkkrai | do I need to install the stable repos? |
| 02:42.14 | stew | darkkrai: that's shouldn't be, the only thing depending on it should be other dev packages |
| 02:42.17 | darkkrai | libgnutils-dev is already installed |
| 02:42.29 | stew | darkkrai: yes, but you need an older version |
| 02:42.39 | darkkrai | okay |
| 02:42.56 | darkkrai | so remove both or just the -dev ? |
| 02:43.14 | omes | darkkrai: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=names&keywords=libimobiledevice ? |
| 02:43.36 | darkkrai | I already have imobildevice |
| 02:44.54 | stew | darkkrai: though actually, trying to downgrade libgnutls26 to stable is probably going to be troublesome |
| 02:45.04 | darkkrai | hmm |
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| 02:50.22 | darkkrai | how do I make a folder accessible to a user? |
| 02:50.28 | darkkrai | its /media/iPod |
| 02:51.38 | omes | accessible? change the permissions? |
| 02:51.42 | darkkrai | yes |
| 02:51.45 | darkkrai | thats what I mean |
| 02:52.30 | omes | man chmod |
| 02:52.55 | omes | you might have to mount it with the proper perms if it's really an ipod |
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| 02:58.21 | flaccid | w00t i got debian kernel and userland going in ec2 cloud. anyone heard any indication of squeeze release ball park? |
| 02:59.00 | simonrvn | !wir |
| 02:59.00 | dpkg | [wir] When It's Ready. See also <rsn> and <siyh>. |
| 02:59.12 | flaccid | yeah, see that a million times |
| 02:59.28 | simonrvn | i'm sure ;) |
| 02:59.29 | flaccid | i didn't ask when its ready, i asked if anyone had heard of any indication |
| 02:59.59 | flaccid | i guess it doesn't really matter |
| 03:00.04 | simonrvn | stew might know, i haven't been tracking it this release |
| 03:00.29 | flaccid | with the freeze, does that mean features and package versions are frozen?' |
| 03:00.54 | simonrvn | sec, brb |
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| 03:03.48 | flaccid | !freeze |
| 03:03.48 | dpkg | A "freeze" is when changes to testing version of Debian are stopped for few months or so (no new package uploads unless to fix critical bugs - we try to 'stabilize' the unstable release). At the end of the freeze the release is 'stable'. Freezing used to be done when the <release goals> were achieved, but from Squeeze onwards will be done in a time-based manner, see http://www.debian.org/News/ |
| 03:03.50 | simonrvn | well, in the old days, it meant that base was frozen, with some exceptions. they've changed policy a bit this time. |
| 03:04.14 | simonrvn | yeh, "time-based" |
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| 03:04.31 | flaccid | that kind of contradicts wir |
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| 03:05.52 | flaccid | http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100806 hmm doesn't mention this time-based thang |
| 03:05.59 | simonrvn | well, it's been delayed, so technically no ;P |
| 03:06.00 | flaccid | although it backups up what i thought |
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| 03:06.26 | flaccid | i think this is fine. i can just address bugs in the same fashion and rebuild when fixed upstream |
| 03:06.39 | flaccid | might be able to get to a daily build of the image if i have time |
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| 03:19.52 | karlpinc | !guess the release date |
| 03:19.52 | dpkg | it has been said that guess the release date is a game you can play! Look at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ and guess when the green line will reach 0. Ask me about <squeeze pool>. |
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| 03:24.08 | HermanDE | And that green line will *never* properly hit 0..... |
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| 03:27.15 | rww | dpkg: squeeze pool |
| 03:27.16 | dpkg | rww: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 03:27.24 | rww | you lied to me :( |
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| 03:30.40 | karlpinc | rww: Interesting, there _used_ to be a pool... |
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| 03:37.59 | legis | why are there more bugs for the current stable release than the upcoming release? Is it because stable has being around much longer? |
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| 03:38.50 | HermanDE | Because there are packages that have been fixed by upstream (version upgrades) that will not be fixed in the current version. |
| 03:39.38 | HermanDE | Package maintainers are not required to fix bugs. |
| 03:40.04 | legis | HermanDE: ok, that explains it |
| 03:40.50 | HermanDE | This is also the reason that "Testing" became properly supported. |
| 03:41.13 | HermanDE | Offer the croud the ability to install something that (should) be less buggy than current. |
| 03:42.01 | legis | HermanDE: properly supported by whom? |
| 03:44.01 | HermanDE | Ok... Supported is a bad word..... Supported as in having a proper pool identity and policy. |
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| 03:56.40 | alnr | is there any way to share a directory with a chrooted environment? ie as if ln myhostdir /mnt/chroot/hostdir was allowed |
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| 04:03.20 | doublehp | how to add a v6 IP the debian way ? |
| 04:03.48 | Rusty1 | alnr: i seem to remember chroot binding but can't come up with a link |
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| 04:06.04 | karlpinc | doublehp: /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 04:08.17 | doublehp | karlpinc: there are many ways to handle this; i just did http://pastebin.com/rkqUn21V , but i am not sure it will work correctly; previously, v6 worked fine; i just want to add ONE v6 alias |
| 04:08.47 | doublehp | i have a RA server, so the machine get connectivity automaticly already |
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| 04:13.14 | karlpinc | !tell rww about squeeze pool |
| 04:14.43 | lio_013 | installed debian squeeze (only the core system) on vbox then install gnome-core but after downloading about 98% of the packages i get [ 0% waiting for headers ] and stop at this |
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| 04:15.55 | karlpinc | doublehp: Wrong way. "man interfaces" Use an inet6 stanza. |
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| 04:16.08 | karlpinc | doublehp: RA? |
| 04:16.25 | rww | karlpinc: hah, thanks |
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| 04:17.49 | doublehp | karlpinc: my modem already provides routes, local, and global addresses to the box; this is automatic, i don't how, but it works. i just want to add one ip; if i add a section to the conf file, i fear it may break existing feature |
| 04:18.06 | alnr | Rusty1: tx, mount --bind /myhost /mnt/chroot/host seems to work |
| 04:19.02 | karlpinc | doublehp: If you don't understand what you're doing and are afraid to break things then you'd better rtfm until you are comfortable enough to make changes. |
| 04:19.35 | doublehp | karlpinc: no-one can ever be comfonrtable with v6, especially when you don't have hands over the modem ! |
| 04:19.36 | rking | doublehp: You're smart to ask about it. I've had a surprising time trying to change little things on my Debian networking stuff (prominent example: using a free DNS server on my laptop. I can get it to work, but the minute I use WiFi then go back to Cat5, I have a blank /etc/resolv.conf for some reason) |
| 04:20.20 | doublehp | rking: overrriding the default DNS was trivial |
| 04:20.21 | karlpinc | rking: You need to understand networking. (It helps to turn off broken cruft like networkmanager) |
| 04:20.53 | rking | karlpinc: NetworkManager is broken? That explains it. |
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| 04:21.30 | rking | karlpinc: I just want to make sure my wife can get on the internet without surprises, so I left the default setup with NetworkManager. I thought it was the Debian+Gnome'ish way or something. |
| 04:21.40 | karlpinc | rking: It's _always_ been broken. |
| 04:22.03 | flaccid | eek, can't believe this stuff is still going on in 2010.. |
| 04:22.08 | rking | karlpinc: So what's the right setup? My use case is just that it's a laptop (so it's switching from cable to wireless to no Internet all the time) |
| 04:22.10 | flaccid | well i guess i can believe it heh |
| 04:22.18 | doublehp | karlpinc: man page does not give detailed example about v6 aliases ... |
| 04:22.30 | karlpinc | rking: I'm not the right person to ask. |
| 04:22.37 | rking | Phooey. |
| 04:22.58 | doublehp | rking: by default, most OS will use the v4 DNS, what means, v4 browsing. To access google in v6, youneed to use v6 DNS |
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| 04:23.49 | karlpinc | rking: And of course have an ISP which carries V6, which almost none of them do. |
| 04:23.54 | rking | karlpinc: I don't mean like every detail, I just mean that NetworkManager does do something useful, which is it knows about WiFi and tries to get connected to whatever connection it can. I just don't like that there seem to be several things contending for /etc/resolv.conf |
| 04:24.13 | rking | has no strong feelings toward v6 migration (yet) |
| 04:24.13 | karlpinc | rking: Right. |
| 04:24.22 | doublehp | rking: from the day i changed my resolf.conf, days i go on youtube show significant v6 traffic; before, it was all v4 , just because of DNS ordering |
| 04:24.25 | flaccid | just keep in mind dhcp will modify resolv.conf |
| 04:24.46 | doublehp | flaccid: thus the need to update dhcp scripts to make it ignore v4 DNS :) |
| 04:24.58 | flaccid | you can do that in dh-client.conf |
| 04:25.01 | flaccid | (or something like that) |
| 04:25.04 | rking | doublehp: Useful stuff to know. Thanks. |
| 04:25.06 | doublehp | i said it's done |
| 04:25.22 | flaccid | can prevent some dhcp properties being set on the client, client-side |
| 04:25.51 | karlpinc | removes the resolveconf package, which also frobs dns |
| 04:26.22 | rking | Heh, there's /etc/dhcp and /etc/dhcp3 |
| 04:26.32 | karlpinc | rking: client/server |
| 04:26.50 | rking | Weird. |
| 04:26.52 | doublehp | rking: yes; http://pastebin.com/B2cdRhYL gentoo is easier on this; but debian can also stand similar config. if v6 are not first, you fallback on v4. DNS can stand asking for a v6 IP on a v4 DNS server, but, google will refuse connection. Google requires the DNS to be v6 |
| 04:27.45 | doublehp | karlpinc: how would you do it ? (add v6 alias) |
| 04:30.17 | doublehp | karlpinc: if i start a iface eth0 inet6 section ... static type will stop auto-conf, and ... i fear dhcp won't let me set-up the alias any other way than the one i already use |
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| 04:40.07 | thepro4ever | people don't truly type like that unless they are recording a speech |
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| 04:45.20 | rking | thepro4ever: Referring to what? |
| 04:46.40 | thepro4ever | rking: i apologize, i'm generally talking in several channels and I forgot to switch channels |
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| 04:47.01 | thepro4ever | rking: if you'd like to know i was referring to this http://www.typeonline.co.uk/typingspeed.php |
| 04:47.02 | rking | thepro4ever: Now I'm interested, though, at how people don't truly type like unless they are recording a speech. |
| 04:47.30 | thepro4ever | rking: try to get 90wpm |
| 04:48.50 | rking | thepro4ever: 84wpm |
| 04:48.56 | rking | thepro4ever: Cool passage, too. |
| 04:49.31 | thepro4ever | it changes every time |
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| 04:55.51 | thepro4ever | you could type the first 10 worlds at 100wpm then stop the clock and it won't fault you |
| 04:55.55 | thepro4ever | words |
| 04:59.15 | rking | thepro4ever: I'm not sure if I agree with your, "People don't usually type like that." Sure, I might pause to think, but when I do know what I'm saying I go faster. So it's probably near a wash. |
| 05:00.53 | thepro4ever | well when you are typing on that site you know you are in a race against time |
| 05:01.40 | thepro4ever | its not to say that you can't type like that but i doubt everyone is constantly trying to churn out the next word as fast as possible |
| 05:02.04 | rking | True |
| 05:03.42 | thepro4ever | i would hate to see a linux admin typing to fast, then i'd get worried |
| 05:03.53 | thepro4ever | omg you just deleted our data! |
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| 05:07.32 | rking | thepro4ever: No way. A fast-typing admin is one that has done the thing you asked him to do a bunch of times in the past. |
| 05:07.37 | rking | Totally comforting |
| 05:07.43 | darkkrai | when I start up my debian box, It tells me that x cant find the display |
| 05:07.51 | darkkrai | I tried installing the nvidia gfx drivers |
| 05:08.07 | rking | I mean, you'll see rash idiots in all walks of life, but I can't say that a fast typing admin is necessarily that. |
| 05:08.08 | darkkrai | now, I cant boot up x and I'm stuck in console mode, using irssi |
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| 05:08.20 | darkkrai | anyone got an idea ? |
| 05:08.26 | rking | darkkrai: OK, something went wrong with the nvidia drivers. |
| 05:08.47 | darkkrai | I figured that out. Anyway to rollback? |
| 05:08.47 | rking | darkkrai: What kind of setup are you using? E.g., debian version, what kernel, etc. |
| 05:08.54 | darkkrai | debian squeeze amd64 |
| 05:09.03 | rking | darkkrai: Should be able to just pick a different kernel on your bootup screen, no? |
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| 05:09.15 | darkkrai | theres only regular and recovery |
| 05:09.30 | darkkrai | only two total |
| 05:09.37 | rking | darkkrai: Well, if you pick a different driver in your X config you'll at least be able to get it started |
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| 05:09.55 | darkkrai | okay, whats the default and what file do I need to edit? |
| 05:10.07 | rking | darkkrai: /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 05:10.12 | darkkrai | thanks. |
| 05:10.40 | darkkrai | oh... cool holding super and an arrow key switches to diff terminals :D |
| 05:10.44 | darkkrai | I thought I had to quit lol |
| 05:11.03 | rking | darkkrai: I think you can go with "nv" |
| 05:11.14 | rking | darkkrai: Yeah, also Alt + F1, etc. |
| 05:11.40 | Shalok | I just added a new 512MB hard disk to my machine. What is the correct way to configure it as swap? |
| 05:11.42 | rking | darkkrai: You can get to the terminals from while in X by hitting Ctrl+Alt+Fx |
| 05:11.54 | darkkrai | alright, I changed nvidia to nv |
| 05:12.03 | rking | Shalok: You'll have to initialize the filesystem, then set it it /etc/fstab |
| 05:12.29 | rking | Shalok: Initialize it with cfdisk or something |
| 05:12.33 | Shalok | rking, I already did mkswap and added it to fstab, but I don't see anything swap listed in my mounts. |
| 05:12.34 | rking | Shalok: Set to type 82 |
| 05:12.54 | rking | Shalok: Well, fstab is only read at boot. Just manually mount it this one time |
| 05:13.31 | Shalok | rking, When I try to 'mount swap' manually it complains 'mount point swap does not exist'. |
| 05:13.37 | rking | darkkrai: If you're using squeeze, I reccommend smxi |
| 05:13.47 | darkkrai | as the driver? |
| 05:13.49 | rking | Shalok: What line do you have in /etc/fstab |
| 05:14.09 | rking | darkkrai: No, it's like this little upgrade-script thingy. It's kind of funky but I've found it useful on sid. |
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| 05:14.26 | darkkrai | oh |
| 05:14.31 | Shalok | rking, /dev/sdb swap swap defaults 0 0 |
| 05:14.58 | rking | Shalok: That first "swap" should be "none" |
| 05:15.13 | rking | Then you need a "sw" instead of "defaults" |
| 05:16.31 | Shalok | rking, 'mount swap' complains 'can't find swap in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab' |
| 05:16.35 | darkkrai | where can I get it? |
| 05:16.47 | Shalok | rking, after changing swap to none and default to sw |
| 05:17.24 | rking | dpkg, smxi? |
| 05:17.24 | dpkg | i heard smxi is http://smxi.org/site/smxi-story.htm |
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| 05:19.01 | darkkrai | how do I install it? |
| 05:19.09 | darkkrai | I'm using lynx, so it's hard to read >.> |
| 05:19.12 | rking | Ahh |
| 05:19.14 | rking | 1s |
| 05:19.29 | rking | It's made to be run while not in X, so you're in the right place already. =) |
| 05:19.35 | darkkrai | haha |
| 05:19.42 | darkkrai | Ironically, I prefer cli over gui |
| 05:19.46 | darkkrai | but not in this case :P |
| 05:19.51 | darkkrai | just want my desktop back xD |
| 05:20.10 | rking | darkkrai: do you have "unzip" installed already? |
| 05:20.13 | darkkrai | yes |
| 05:20.19 | rking | Ok, be root and: |
| 05:20.21 | rking | cd /usr/local/bin && wget -Nc smxi.org/smxi.zip && unzip smxi.zip && smxi |
| 05:20.38 | darkkrai | how do I copy that? |
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| 05:20.51 | darkkrai | also, when I type su and then my pw, it says authentication failed |
| 05:21.14 | rking | darkkrai: Well, you should be running GNU screen, so you hit ^A Esc then select it then do ^A ] to paste. Oh? You're not using screen? You fail. |
| 05:21.37 | rking | darkkrai: Then you don't know your root password. Double fail. Did you set up sudo? |
| 05:21.48 | darkkrai | when I run sudo commands, it works |
| 05:21.55 | darkkrai | I type in my password and it works |
| 05:22.02 | darkkrai | do i need to do sudo pwd ? |
| 05:22.15 | rking | That's because you're typing in /your/ passwd. When you use 'su' you type in the root pw. |
| 05:22.25 | rking | If you don't remember it right now is a good time to reset it: sudo passwd |
| 05:22.48 | darkkrai | aha, I never set it up |
| 05:22.49 | rking | But anyway if you are better at typing your user password than your root one you can just do: sudo su - |
| 05:22.50 | darkkrai | thats why :P |
| 05:22.51 | jpinx-eeepc | andepends on how sudo is configured |
| 05:24.49 | darkkrai | awesome |
| 05:24.54 | darkkrai | alright its running |
| 05:24.55 | darkkrai | choose 1? |
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| 05:25.58 | darkkrai | alright, I guess 1, its the only option besides quit, now do I want to not change the system or install the aptosid-sources ? |
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| 05:26.27 | rking | darkkrai: I say get aggressive with it. smxi knows what to do... I eventually decided to give it full access |
| 05:26.41 | rking | darkkrai: The point is it will chug through the nvidia X module stuff. |
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| 05:27.32 | darkkrai | awesome |
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| 05:32.34 | darkkrai | hello |
| 05:32.43 | darkkrai | alright, I'm at the graphics part |
| 05:32.49 | darkkrai | which choice do I choose? |
| 05:33.15 | darkkrai | rking ? |
| 05:33.53 | rking | darkkrai: What are your options, roughly? |
| 05:34.41 | darkkrai | I have, install-xorg-driver, debian-nvidia, oldest-nvidia, older-nvidia-c, new-nvidia-c, newest-nvidia-c, nvidia-beta-driver, start-desktop, and quit |
| 05:35.30 | darkkrai | I think it's debian-nvidia, but I'm not sure... |
| 05:36.21 | rking | 1 min... |
| 05:36.39 | darkkrai | thanks for all your help, I really appreciate it :) |
| 05:36.52 | rking | darkkrai: So far I haven't done anything that helped. =) |
| 05:37.01 | darkkrai | lol, I think so |
| 05:37.14 | darkkrai | I would have never figured out what to do, I was about do do a wipe/reinstall :P |
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| 05:39.17 | rking | OK, so how new is your card? |
| 05:39.31 | darkkrai | 5 years old, nvidia 7600 gt, 256mb ram |
| 05:39.43 | darkkrai | im upgrading to a system76 soon though, cant wait :) |
| 05:39.50 | darkkrai | first laptop :D |
| 05:39.51 | rking | I think I'd go with debian-nvidia then |
| 05:39.53 | darkkrai | kk |
| 05:40.09 | rking | worst case is you have to run it a second time |
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| 05:44.18 | darkkrai_ | rking, thanks! |
| 05:44.28 | rking | darkkrai_: Sweet. |
| 05:44.36 | darkkrai_ | now, how would I /correctly/ install those gfx drivers? :) |
| 05:44.49 | darkkrai_ | and is there a way to make a "backup" of some sort |
| 05:44.59 | rking | darkkrai_: Hrmm... wait, you did the smxi install, no? |
| 05:45.12 | darkkrai_ | yes |
| 05:45.29 | rking | That's the correct way. smxi just guides you through the process. |
| 05:45.37 | darkkrai_ | oh... |
| 05:45.46 | darkkrai_ | but what about 3d? |
| 05:45.57 | rking | But a backup should happen any time you do a kernel change. I'm not sure why it didn't before. |
| 05:46.05 | darkkrai_ | glxgears runs fine |
| 05:46.19 | darkkrai_ | oh, compositing works too |
| 05:46.23 | darkkrai_ | I guess I'm good then |
| 05:46.25 | darkkrai_ | hehe |
| 05:46.41 | segers_j | I have a machine that I've left unused for several years. I have forgotten the root password. I want to try several times. Does the default debian install allow me to fail authentication a set number of times and then silently lock me out? If so, how many tries do I get? |
| 05:46.41 | rking | Right... as long as your X server is using the nvidia drivers and you don't have any debilitating config stuff, you're 3d |
| 05:46.54 | omes | darkkrai_: drivers from nvidia? |
| 05:46.55 | darkkrai_ | cool :D |
| 05:47.11 | darkkrai_ | I used some weird website guide to do it |
| 05:47.14 | rking | segers_j: It won't lock you out, I don't think... but you're probably better off just using a rescue disk. |
| 05:47.14 | darkkrai_ | never again lol |
| 05:47.48 | rking | darkkrai_: Nah, that's the normal thing to do. The problem is just that something like this is highly dependent on your kernel, card, debian_version, etc. |
| 05:48.04 | rking | darkkrai_: If I couldn't use weird web sites as guides I probably wouldn't get much done on the computer. =) |
| 05:48.23 | darkkrai_ | lol |
| 05:48.25 | darkkrai_ | thanks |
| 05:48.29 | segers_j | rking ok, duh, thanks, googling. :) |
| 05:48.39 | darkkrai_ | this is why I love linux, I dont have to call some person to get help |
| 05:48.47 | darkkrai_ | its all here on irc, with people like you! :D |
| 05:49.19 | rking | segers_j: A rescue disk is handy for so many things. I carry one in my backpack for all occasions (it has FAT32/NTFS fs drivers, if that gives any hints at how it might be useful) |
| 05:49.45 | rking | darkkrai_: Yeah, the OSS community is a blast. I have not even begun to repay my debts. |
| 05:51.24 | segers_j | rking: yeah, back in my rebellious days I ticked off the guy that ran the computer lab with one once. |
| 05:52.15 | rking | People gotta be reminded of their limitations every once in a while. =) |
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| 05:56.27 | Louis11 | I am attempting to use ant, and am receiving: "[taskdef] Could not load definitions from resource net/sf/antcontrib/antcontrib.properties. It could not be found." |
| 05:56.30 | Louis11 | any idea how to fix this? |
| 05:57.18 | rking | http://ant.1045680.n5.nabble.com/Trouble-with-simple-for-loops-td1351115.html ? |
| 05:57.50 | rking | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2050043/why-cannot-ant-taskdef-cannot-load-a-resource-outside-net ? |
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| 05:59.18 | Louis11 | rking: yea, I checked those out. THe software I am using provides a build.xml (capture-hpc) so I am not sure if i should change anything? |
| 05:59.22 | Louis11 | I'm not that familiar with ant |
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| 06:02.26 | rking | That's rough. |
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| 06:02.54 | trebuchet | Are daily builds of -testing netinstall cd ISOs hosted anywhere else but: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso ? |
| 06:02.56 | rking | I'd start by making sure I followed every instruction completely |
| 06:03.15 | rking | E.g., if they say it needs some dependency. |
| 06:03.34 | rking | Perhaps download a different version of the software and see if it compiles. |
| 06:03.43 | rking | ant is a mess, Java is a mess, my opinions. |
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| 06:04.48 | Louis11 | rking: yes, i'm not a big fan of java. However it's needed for this software :/ |
| 06:04.57 | somiaj | trebuchet: any reason why you want to 'test' the netinstall and don't just grab a stable netinstaller (note upgrading to testing aftwards the path most should take) |
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| 06:06.09 | trebuchet | somiaj: Mostly ignorance, I haven't used Debian really before. I wanted to check hashes against each other, as the production of the ISO is automated twice a day and there were some redirect errors to some Chinese website awhile ago o-O |
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| 06:08.29 | cantido | somiaj: if testing isn't broken installing it directly instead of upgrading from stable is better IMHO |
| 06:08.50 | trebuchet | So this is an opinion thing? Or does Debian suggest one route to rule them all? |
| 06:09.18 | cantido | trebuchet: what is the reason you want testing? |
| 06:09.35 | cantido | if it's hardware support then installing stable first might not work for example |
| 06:09.41 | somiaj | cantido: yea I guess I'm just use to a time the testing installer was only working on some of the daily builds -- but this was a few releases ago |
| 06:09.44 | trebuchet | cantido: Newer and shinier. |
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| 06:10.01 | trebuchet | cantido: But mostly because I have two disk controllers and one wont work in boot on stable, so I can't RAID1 them. |
| 06:10.05 | somiaj | trebuchet: the debian suggestion is to run debian stable unless you want to test or develope the new version. |
| 06:10.07 | cantido | trebuchet: ok, well,... grab a release off of the debian installer site and have a go |
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| 06:10.28 | trebuchet | Also can I set the mode for cryptsetup in d-i, like AES-XTS? I hear it just does AES-CBC plain or |
| 06:10.31 | trebuchet | wait my eyes |
| 06:10.33 | somiaj | trebuchet: my advise is to learn debian stable (when getting use to the debian tools) and then if there is newer software you can't live without look into backports. |
| 06:10.40 | cantido | trebuchet: I think the wording on the site is to stop people from thinking "wow, testing is newer, I want new" then coming here and complaining stuff doesnt work |
| 06:11.05 | somiaj | trebuchet: if for somereason you enjoy working with the testing/unstable branch after you are use to the tools then go for it, just be prepared to fix things. |
| 06:11.21 | greenmang0 | how do i restart networking in squeeze? i just made changes in /etc/network/interfaces file and when I do /etc/init.d/networking restart" i get deprecated message... neither /etc/init.d/networking stop && /etc/init.d/networking start work |
| 06:11.22 | trebuchet | cantido, somiaj, I've ran on Sid a while ago before Etch, and having used OpenBSD-current before, I don't think I'm going to be crying in the channel here if something breaks. |
| 06:11.42 | cantido | trebuchet: well testing or unstable will probably be better for you |
| 06:11.59 | greenmang0 | cantido: can you help me please? |
| 06:12.01 | cantido | trebuchet: note that with openbsd -current broken stuff doesnt generally get committed |
| 06:12.30 | cantido | trebuchet: with testing you can have a broken package and have to wait whatever the unstable->testing clearing period is to get a fix |
| 06:12.34 | trebuchet | cantido: It is a matter of hardware support. I was thinking of backporting a kernel, but it is an install-time thing and why not since Squeeze is frozen and it will be two years until I'll have to deal with a reinstall(ideally) with the new support |
| 06:12.37 | somiaj | trebuchet: I run sid myself but wouldn't suggest that to someone new to debian -- but running sid and having to fix issues you run into can be a good way to learn the debian tools |
| 06:12.44 | cantido | greenmang0: ifup/ifdown |
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| 06:13.07 | greenmang0 | cantido: tried... but that doesn't change ip of my interface |
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| 06:13.15 | somiaj | trebuchet: upgrading in debian is fairly seemless -- my prefer install for a sid system is stable base system then upgrade to testing of sid |
| 06:13.24 | cantido | greenmang0: where is the ip coming from |
| 06:13.30 | cantido | greenmang0: static config? |
| 06:13.30 | greenmang0 | cantido: the previous ip was different and the new ip specified in /etc/network/interfaces is different |
| 06:13.39 | somiaj | trebuchet: only issue here is if you don't have support for your nic in lenny it can add additional steps |
| 06:13.42 | greenmang0 | cantido: static .. interfaces file |
| 06:14.05 | cantido | greenmang0: what happens when you do ifdown <int> |
| 06:14.37 | cantido | somiaj: upgrading from stable to testing was broken a few weeks ago, don't know if that is still the case |
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| 06:15.09 | cantido | somiaj: upgrading from release to release is generally ok if you follow the instructions |
| 06:15.23 | greenmang0 | cantido: oh.. it's working now... it wasn't working few minutes before |
| 06:15.30 | trebuchet | somiaj: Let me look at some more things. Stable might work, it was suggested I insert a kernel module package for debian installer, or maybe just pass some option to the kernel before boot to allow it to read my disk |
| 06:15.33 | greenmang0 | cantido: thanks!!! ifup / ifdown worked :) |
| 06:15.48 | somiaj | cantido: ahh, yea I sometimes find testing more unstable than sid -- but yes I can see it not always been flawless until squeeze is actually stable which means they have done some testing to make sure upgrading from one stable to the next is working |
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| 06:16.20 | cantido | greenmang0: I think /etc/init.d/networking restart doesn't change the interfaces.. not sure. make sure you have auto in the interfaces file if you expect that int to be up on boot |
| 06:16.35 | somiaj | trebuchet: if your use to compiling custom linux kernels, rolling your kernel in debian is fairly easy and you can make your own kernel packages, some nice tools for that |
| 06:17.04 | somiaj | trebuchet: that way you could put a current kernel on your machine for hardware -- you just won't get any of the security updates for your kernel of course. |
| 06:17.19 | cantido | running stable on newish hardware is going to be painful out of the box.. kernel drivers, xorg drivers.. |
| 06:17.20 | trebuchet | somiaj: I was considering experimenting with grsec. |
| 06:18.13 | trebuchet | However, I should probably figure out SELinux first. |
| 06:18.26 | cantido | trebuchet: SELinux in debian is fairly painless |
| 06:18.38 | cantido | trebuchet: follow the steps on the wiki :) |
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| 06:21.35 | somiaj | trebuchet: but hopefully you kinda see the advantage/idea of learning the debian tools on stable -- then upgrading/backports after you get more comfortable and find newer stuff you must have |
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| 06:26.26 | imaginaryman_ | I have some questions about compiling a new kernel for my system |
| 06:26.55 | imaginaryman_ | I can compile kernels all day wrong and always just use grub to select my old working one? |
| 06:27.04 | extor | Is there any way I can enable aggressice write caching in linux, the same way one can now enable it in windows 7...what I want is for the kernel to only write flush once in a blue moon to minimize write lag |
| 06:27.29 | imaginaryman_ | Also I don |
| 06:27.58 | imaginaryman_ | Also I don't know how my current kernel is configures so is there a way to import the settings and options of my current kernel? |
| 06:28.08 | imaginaryman_ | configured* |
| 06:29.25 | segers_j | imaginaryman_: yes, but you want to make kernel packages (much easier really, google it) 2nd question, yes, again, easy if you read the docs on making a kernel package |
| 06:31.42 | imaginaryman_ | Thank you I did imagine I would have to read :) no sarcasm intended. I just wanted to make sure I was not going to break anything. My last question was........ |
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| 06:33.22 | imaginaryman_ | I have proprietary drivers for my graphics card that are built from source I know that when I built them I had to use apt to get my current kernel headers and things etc... since I will be using a custom kernel are all the things I need to build the graphics card drivers included with the source download for the kernel I build? |
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| 06:41.07 | segers_j | imaginaryman_: almost forgot, here's what I would google: kernel "the debian way" that should get you a nice walkthrough, dunno about custom graphics drivers, sorry. |
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| 07:48.06 | newbie | Hello. |
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| 07:48.46 | andrewnemeth | hey guys |
| 07:49.19 | andrewnemeth | I just reinstalled the system with debootstrap but /boot folder is absolutely empty |
| 07:49.28 | andrewnemeth | the system boots up fine though |
| 07:49.34 | andrewnemeth | where are the boot files? |
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| 07:52.05 | newbie | I am on my back up computer. This is because I have improperly installed and as a result caused a problem with the configuration server. When the system boots to gdm I recieve the message: "There was a problem with the vonfiguration server /usr/lib/libconf2-4/gconf-sanity-check-2 exicted with a status of 256." I also recieve this message when I try to log in via the gui. How can I fix this? |
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| 07:52.56 | newbie | I installed a bunch of packages with synaptic. While the install was going I lost internet connection and some packages did not install completely. |
| 07:53.21 | pallgone | andrewnemeth: on another partition? |
| 07:53.29 | newbie | I since restarted and this is the result. I do not know which insatll caused the problem. |
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| 07:54.09 | andrewnemeth | pallgone: http://pastebin.com/Se54zbd8 |
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| 07:54.57 | pallgone | newbie: so you can boot into recovery mode? |
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| 07:55.41 | pallgone | andrewnemeth: what's the output of 'fdisk -l' ? |
| 07:55.56 | Without | how to block outgoing certain ip range from 209.222.0.0 to 209.222.255.255 ? using iptables |
| 07:55.59 | newbie | pallgone: Yes. |
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| 07:56.25 | newbie | pallgone: I am at a virtural consol right now. Should I go into recovery mode instead? |
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| 07:57.13 | pallgone | newbie: hmm, I'm not familiar with the error, but I you have console access that should be fine too |
| 07:57.15 | andrewnemeth | pallgone: http://pastebin.com/Gb0Z5jnS |
| 07:57.52 | valdyn | Without: use google |
| 07:58.20 | newbie | pallgone: Yes, I am there. I do not know what to do? I only have one window manager installed. But I think that gdm is messed. |
| 07:58.58 | pallgone | andrewnemeth: boot is probably in sda1, try mounting it and see: mount /dev/sda1 /mnt |
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| 07:59.51 | newbie | Additionally, my backup computer is unstable. It has ocassional hardware malfunctions and randomly shuts down. So I might dissapear. |
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| 08:00.49 | pallgone | newbie: you could ask in #gnome, or see here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=917306 |
| 08:00.59 | newbie | And the internet connection I have access to is provided by a weak signal, which is also unstable. |
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| 08:01.01 | valdyn | andrewnemeth: why would debootstrap install a boot manager? |
| 08:01.06 | andrewnemeth | pallgone: http://pastebin.com/ZXmJgxft yes you are right however how comes that I have exactly the same folders like bin lib etc.. on / with files in it? basically just /boot is empty |
| 08:01.22 | newbie | pallgone: Thanks. |
| 08:01.28 | andrewnemeth | valdyn: actually it install grub cos I have it on the system |
| 08:01.29 | valdyn | andrewnemeth: or why would debootstrap install a kernel? |
| 08:01.44 | valdyn | andrewnemeth: well, debootstrap didnt install it |
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| 08:01.53 | andrewnemeth | valdyn: I use debootstrap as a part of a script:) |
| 08:02.00 | cast | i'd like to move two LVs to a new VG, any thoughts? |
| 08:02.20 | valdyn | andrewnemeth: its possible that you booted that system using another /boot partition, i can hardly know |
| 08:02.29 | valdyn | andrewnemeth: if you dont mount it, then its not there |
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| 08:02.56 | pallgone | newbie: but be careful with the stuff they suggest on the forum, if you don't know what it does, better first ask or find out |
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| 08:05.30 | Bhavicp | Is there like a ubuntu-desktop package for Debian? |
| 08:05.45 | valdyn | Bhavicp: gnome-desktop |
| 08:05.49 | pallgone | andrewnemeth: well, that's because /boot is on the other partition and you don't mount it in your fstab |
| 08:05.52 | Bhavicp | Ah, thanks! |
| 08:05.52 | valdyn | Bhavicp: err: just "gnome" |
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| 08:06.04 | Bhavicp | Ah,k. |
| 08:06.27 | cast | Bhavicp: tasksel has a 'desktop environment' option |
| 08:06.46 | Bhavicp | hm |
| 08:06.58 | Bhavicp | During the install? |
| 08:07.05 | rww | Bhavicp: gnome installs a lot of stuff, more than you might want. There's also gnome-desktop-environment and gnome-core, which have less and not much, respectively. |
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| 08:07.07 | cast | can run it after, too |
| 08:07.23 | Bhavicp | oo ok |
| 08:07.42 | Bhavicp | Ah awesome. Thanks everyone! |
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| 08:13.03 | Shalok | How do I configure networking to ignore the nameserver suggested by dhcp for one of my interfaces? |
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| 08:13.29 | Shalok | I still want to use the DHCP IP address, just not the DNS. |
| 08:13.40 | SparFux | Shalok: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 08:13.53 | randy_ | excuse,how can I get sid in http://www.debian.org/ |
| 08:14.07 | SparFux | Shalok: use a line "nameserver XXX" |
| 08:14.28 | newbie | What does the command: "sudo chmod -Rc USERNAME:USERNAME /home/USERNAME" do? |
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| 08:14.42 | cast | randy_: if you're asking i'm not sure you want sid |
| 08:14.54 | cast | newbie: man chmod |
| 08:15.20 | randy_ | cast, Sidä¹æ¯è±è¯Still In Developmentï¼ä»å¨å¼åï¼ç缩å |
| 08:15.31 | cast | newbie: eh, do you mean chown, btw :) |
| 08:15.35 | Shalok | SparFux: I don't see any mention of a nameserver option in the interfaces man page. Where do I read about this option? |
| 08:15.38 | segers_j | randy_: if you have to ask, you don't want sid! |
| 08:15.49 | newbie | cast: I ask because people on this thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=917306 suggest that it is a dangerus maneuver. |
| 08:15.58 | SparFux | Shalok: maybe it's the resolvconf package. I have lines like "dns-nameserver XXX" even. |
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| 08:16.28 | randy_ | segers_j, I'm in china,my friend tell to use sid,because the statue is very old |
| 08:17.12 | cast | newbie: ok. well. what do we care what ubuntu users are saying ;). |
| 08:17.18 | segers_j | randy_: look up "backport" sid is almost always broken partly. |
| 08:17.25 | SparFux | Shalok: I know, ifupdown documentation is really messy. I don't like the whole ifupdown architecture. There is a stalled project called Debian netconf which would be very promising to replace the whole network confiugraiton thing in Debian. |
| 08:18.07 | newbie | cast: because I was directed there by this pallgone> newbie: you could ask in #gnome, or see here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=917306 |
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| 08:18.34 | randy_ | segers_j, I don't care for stabilize,and my friend said even sid is stabilize then ubuntu |
| 08:19.33 | valdyn | newbie: should do nothing, thats a broken command |
| 08:20.20 | SparFux | Shalok: That is because ifupdown reaches its limits quite fast. You can do everythingi with it, but not all at once. |
| 08:20.56 | valdyn | randy_: if you have the time and skill to fix occasional issues, then sid is ok for you |
| 08:21.02 | pallgone | yes, and I also said: newbie: but be careful with the stuff they suggest on the forum, if you don't know what it does, better first ask or find out |
| 08:21.09 | cast | valdyn: doesn't everyone use 6777 as their username? |
| 08:21.22 | valdyn | cast: haha |
| 08:21.51 | segers_j | randy_: I agree that stable is outdated. consider "testing" rather than "unstable" (the other name for sid) if you're dead set on unstable, find the directions for upgrading to testing, and just substitute "unstable" for "testing" but don't say I didn't warn you. |
| 08:22.24 | randy_ | segers_j, I use ubuntu because I can get deb fast(in china,ubuntu has server),but I want my younger student use debian |
| 08:22.25 | newbie | valdyn: pallgone: cast: Thanks for the help! That link provided me with the proper information. I forgot that I moved my /tmp directory. I needed to set permissions for it with: chmod 1777 /tmp That cured the problem! |
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| 08:23.05 | peterrooney | using unstable is not something to recommend to a beginner. you will have complex problems. |
| 08:23.29 | SparFux | Where can I check when Xorg server version 1.8 will be shipped with Debian experimental or unstable? |
| 08:23.42 | segers_j | randy_: what peterrooney said. |
| 08:24.13 | newbie | pallgone: DX4300-11 is feeling better much better and is greatful for your assistance. |
| 08:24.20 | segers_j | is going out for a smoke. |
| 08:24.35 | cast | you know something i've never thought about before, is that / has permissions |
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| 08:25.35 | Shalok | SparFux, I tried adding a nameserver line and it didn't help. |
| 08:25.51 | SparFux | SparFux: aptitude show xserver-xorg-core/experimental |
| 08:26.17 | SparFux | Shalok: hm.... do you get any errors? is resolvconf installed? Try aptitude show resolvconf |
| 08:27.04 | Shalok | SparFux, resolvconf is not installed |
| 08:27.31 | SparFux | Shalok: I am pretty sure this dns-nameserver is implemented by resolvconf package. Not sure though. Maybe you have to install it. |
| 08:27.54 | Shalok | SparFux, Well resolution works fine with some of my other DHCP interfaces, so I don't think it's needed. |
| 08:27.57 | CoLa | hi, I need a hint where to go with my current problem, currently my system crashes at boot-time (1 of 3 times at least) directly after grub screen with the following screen: http://imagebin.org/119981 |
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| 08:29.09 | cast | some people echo 'namserver x.x.x.x' > /etc/resolv.conf and set the file to immutable :> |
| 08:30.04 | SparFux | Shalok: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=417732 ;-) |
| 08:30.45 | valdyn | CoLa: there is nothing useful on that screen except parts of unrelated warnings |
| 08:31.39 | SparFux | Shalok: it's a bug from 2007, still open as it seems. It give explanation for the dns-nameserver line. What it does is simply adding nameserver line to /etc/resolv.conf |
| 08:31.49 | valdyn | CoLa: and, and except that these warnings showing means that your kernel loaded and started |
| 08:31.58 | peterrooney | some people edit their dhcp client configuration to spec their nameserver |
| 08:35.23 | CoLa | valdyn: ok, then is there any log for a previous boot-sequence that I could access to get ony details where the further boot sequence crashed? currently I assume that it is somehow connected to the X-server... however Xorg.0.log.old looks ok |
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| 08:36.54 | randy_ | segers_j, well,for this reson,can you tell how to get sid? |
| 08:38.19 | rww | dpkg: sid upgrade test |
| 08:38.19 | dpkg | If you can't work out how to upgrade your machine to testing (or unstable), then this is probably a good indication that you (a) don't know enough about Debian to be able to solve the inevitable problems you will face and (b) you don't know how to use google or documentation to answer really easy questions. If either of these apply, you shouldn't be using unstable (or even testing) and we're not going to help you do so. |
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| 08:38.57 | segers_j | I said earlier, just google debian upgrade testing, then when you edit the text file, substitute "unstable" for "testing" but for the sake of your students, at least play around with testing. |
| 08:39.33 | inc0 | hi! I'm having problems with connection in debian testing. I have normal LAN, so basicly most of apps works well, but some seems to be unable to see this connection |
| 08:39.44 | segers_j | randy_: I'm not being pointlessly obtuse, I just don't remember. |
| 08:39.46 | inc0 | including gnome-network-manager |
| 08:40.57 | cast | peterrooney: well, there are a few programs that may try to write something you don't want into resolv.conf, like will wvdial honor your dhcp client conf? |
| 08:42.03 | pallgone | inc0: is ethernet commented out in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 08:42.06 | randy_ | segers_j, thank you |
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| 08:42.40 | segers_j | randy_: np |
| 08:42.49 | pallgone | inc0: if eth0 is set there, network-manager will not manage it |
| 08:43.04 | valdyn | CoLa: your output shows that modules are loaded, thats not related to the X server. |
| 08:43.17 | randy_ | segers_j, because i google sid always into project page,can not get,so I ask,you know I speak chinese |
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| 08:43.53 | valdyn | dpkg: lenny->squeeze |
| 08:43.53 | dpkg | In /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines volatile, backports, then change lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,` && apt-get dist-upgrade". Make sure you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed prior to rebooting check: aptitude versions '~nlinux-image~i'. See also <testing> <testing security> <squeeze release notes>. |
| 08:43.56 | valdyn | randy_: ^^ |
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| 08:44.16 | inc0 | pallgone, it seems to be set, but would that answer why other apps dont see it as well? Like evolution for example? |
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| 08:45.28 | pallgone | ah, evolution, I had that problem myself, evolution is dumb, maybe it needs network-manager to function correctly |
| 08:45.33 | valdyn | inc0: newer gnome applications cooperate with network-manager |
| 08:45.57 | valdyn | inc0: and the will assume the connection is down when network-manager is not connecting to a network |
| 08:45.57 | peterrooney | cast: I don't use wvdial, so I don't know. |
| 08:46.08 | valdyn | inc0: pidgin is one of those apps |
| 08:46.16 | inc0 | I noticed that too |
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| 08:46.45 | valdyn | inc0: if apps dont do something like that, then there's no way they can "not see" a network connection |
| 08:47.00 | inc0 | so should I comment allow-hotplug eth0 |
| 08:47.01 | inc0 | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 08:47.01 | inc0 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:47.22 | valdyn | inc0: what does that have to do with anything? |
| 08:47.58 | inc0 | these are only lines with eth0, also ifup throws eth0 is already configured |
| 08:48.40 | valdyn | inc0: allow-hotplug means that the network interface is configured as soon as its found |
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| 08:48.50 | valdyn | inc0: im not sure why you would mess with this |
| 08:49.10 | valdyn | inc0: its useful for interfaces that are actually hotpluggable |
| 08:49.29 | valdyn | inc0: like usb |
| 08:49.38 | inc0 | valdyn, so wht would cause network-manager to be unable to see eth0? |
| 08:50.06 | valdyn | inc0: its not "unable to see" it ignores interfaces that are in /etc/network/interfaces in certain ways |
| 08:50.27 | valdyn | inc0: read /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian |
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| 08:53.53 | inc0 | managed changed to true:) we'll see if that helps |
| 08:54.23 | inc0 | yup, id did |
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| 08:54.25 | inc0 | tyvm:) |
| 08:54.31 | valdyn | inc0: welcome |
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| 08:58.04 | inc0 | another problem...where can I configure alsa, so my debian will be able to play music both from youtube and amarok in same time? |
| 08:58.35 | valdyn | inc0: imo you should be using pulseaudio |
| 08:58.54 | valdyn | inc0: and create an alsa device that routes thru pulseaudio for that stupid adobe flash |
| 08:59.25 | valdyn | !dmix |
| 08:59.25 | dpkg | somebody said dmix was an <ALSA> subsystem which allows an audio device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/Dmix or another sample asound.conf at http://img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 08:59.36 | valdyn | inc0: thats the pure alsa way ^^ |
| 09:00.29 | imaginaryman_ | Why would your alsa not work to play both at the same time? |
| 09:00.56 | valdyn | inc0: and thats the way for alsa and pulse: http://pastebin.ca/1971654 |
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| 09:01.16 | valdyn | imaginaryman_: dmix is not necessarily on by default and sound cards dont necesarily support hardware mixing |
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| 09:02.14 | valdyn | inc0: and you really want to get rid of snd-pcm-oss and snd-mixer-oss ( the kernel modules ) and any app that uses /dev/dsp |
| 09:02.47 | valdyn | I suppose flash might still be able to or actually use /dev/dsp and thus break your hardware mixing |
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| 09:04.04 | valdyn | either way pulseaudio is superior in many ways once set up, unless you do professional audio creation stuff |
| 09:04.49 | tab1ta | does the package manager downloads packages in a specific directory? |
| 09:04.56 | valdyn | ( but then you would use jackd, not dmix ) |
| 09:05.07 | valdyn | tab1ta: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 09:05.20 | tab1ta | ty |
| 09:06.46 | tab1ta | here there is the .deb package.. |
| 09:07.15 | tab1ta | i guess it has already installed it.. but it is only a template folder so |
| 09:07.20 | tab1ta | where could it be? |
| 09:07.35 | valdyn | tab1ta: where could what be? |
| 09:07.40 | tab1ta | smarty |
| 09:08.03 | valdyn | tab1ta: "dpkg -L smarty" |
| 09:08.35 | tab1ta | a template ok |
| 09:08.40 | tab1ta | done |
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| 09:12.32 | inc0 | funny...I dont have /etc/asound.conf |
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| 09:14.02 | dutchfish | why got initramfs-tools updated to 0.98.5 in squeeze (during frozen status) while the webpage does not show it status? http://packages.qa.debian.org/i/initramfs-tools.html |
| 09:14.04 | rlpowell | I've got a Debian system here where any daemon that requests listening to all interfaces gets *only* ipv6. But I don't actually use ipv6, so I have to list out interfaces explicitely/manually or daemons simply do not work. |
| 09:14.12 | rlpowell | Tested with both exim and ssh. Any ideas? |
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| 09:15.57 | dutchfish | rlpowell: disable ipv6 in kernel, its enabled by default |
| 09:16.46 | rlpowell | dutchfish: Why should I have to, though? Other Debian machines don't have this problem. |
| 09:17.03 | rlpowell | "listen on all interfaces" *should* give me all interfaces, of both kinds. |
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| 09:18.37 | dutchfish | rlpowell: maybe i misunderstood you, i use echo "ipv6" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist , and yes, exim and others bind to ipv6 by default when interface is noted as * |
| 09:19.27 | rlpowell | Right, I'm saying they bind to ipv6 *only*. |
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| 09:20.11 | dutchfish | rlpowell: ah ok, have you checked /etc/network/interfaces if it contains the right stansas? |
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| 09:20.15 | rlpowell | My understanding is that binding to * should get you traffic from all interfaces. |
| 09:20.29 | dutchfish | right |
| 09:20.40 | rlpowell | As far as I can tell. "ip addr" gives the output I expect. |
| 09:20.45 | dutchfish | (if they are alive) |
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| 09:21.29 | rlpowell | Yeah, binding to the ipv4 IPs (I have several) explicitely works fine. |
| 09:21.37 | dutchfish | and you can ping to external ip and dns does work properly? |
| 09:22.20 | rlpowell | Yes. |
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| 09:22.39 | rlpowell | If I tell SSH to bind to particular ipv4 IPs, everything works perfectly. |
| 09:22.44 | rlpowell | It's only "bind to all" that fails. |
| 09:23.00 | dutchfish | and hostname -f returns fqdn? (host.domain.ext) |
| 09:23.39 | dutchfish | and /etc/hosts contains right syntax for ipv4 address? |
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| 09:23.52 | rlpowell | < dutchfish> and hostname -f returns fqdn? (host.domain.ext) -- yes, and it resolves to an ipv4 address. |
| 09:24.31 | rlpowell | < dutchfish> and /etc/hosts contains right syntax for ipv4 address? -- far sa I know; first line is "127.0.0.1 localhost" |
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| 09:24.55 | dutchfish | rlpowell: and the othe rlines? |
| 09:26.36 | dutchfish | rlpowell: this is mine as an example: 192.168.2.151 ws-151.sa.internal ws-151 sa.internal |
| 09:27.18 | rlpowell | http://pastie.org/private/nhztiuuzza290dcyjuhyq |
| 09:27.32 | rlpowell | I use real addresses, but otherwise the same. |
| 09:27.52 | rlpowell | To give context here, I've been a professional Unix admin for over 10 years. :) |
| 09:28.03 | rlpowell | Which doesn't mean I couldn't screw up stupidly. :D |
| 09:28.04 | dutchfish | rlpowell: line 7 is wrong |
| 09:28.05 | rlpowell | Just saying. |
| 09:28.24 | rlpowell | How so? |
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| 09:28.59 | rlpowell | Looks fine to me; that's for a different host. |
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| 09:29.03 | dutchfish | rlpowell: how to reach puppet.digitalkingdom.org ? |
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| 09:29.27 | rlpowell | There's no such host; that line is so that reaching "puppet", unqualified, works. |
| 09:29.59 | dutchfish | rlpowell: what happens when exim use that host as a fqdn? |
| 09:30.20 | rlpowell | What, puppet? It shouldn't ever do that. That name is only used by puppet itself. |
| 09:30.20 | dutchfish | rlpowell: it prolly reject it |
| 09:30.27 | rlpowell | That's fine. |
| 09:30.56 | mutante__ | rlpowell: for Apache i just saw how somebody said "Listen 80" gave him ONLY v6 while "Listen 0.0.0.0:80" gave him v4 (only) again |
| 09:31.40 | rlpowell | Interesting. |
| 09:32.05 | rlpowell | I tried a trick like tat with exim; no dice. Trying sshd now. |
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| 09:32.22 | petemc | rlpowell: as per my suggestion in #exim , try running the daemon in debug mode |
| 09:32.45 | rlpowell | petemc: How will that help when this is happening for every daemon on the system? |
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| 09:33.00 | dutchfish | rlpowell: mm... could be that somehow your dns servers you use are messed up, or your local cache is. furthermore, double check your hosts file. i think there is where you problem is. |
| 09:33.10 | rlpowell | Yeah "ListenAddress 0.0.0.0:22" on sshd doesn't fix it. |
| 09:33.18 | petemc | rlpowell: it should show you what happens when the daemon tried to bind to the ips |
| 09:33.30 | rlpowell | dutchfish: Why would DNS be at all relevant? "telnet 127.0.0.1 22" should still work even if DNS is totally destroyed. |
| 09:33.40 | mutante__ | you are testing what it listens on with netstat or just by trying to connect from external? |
| 09:33.56 | rlpowell | mutante__: Both. |
| 09:34.24 | rlpowell | lsof says: sshd 23308 zroot 3u IPv6 260006389 TCP *:22 (LISTEN) |
| 09:34.47 | rlpowell | And the behaviour is that "telnet 127.0.0.1 22" does not work, but "telnet ::00 22" does |
| 09:35.45 | dutchfish | rlpowell: how many adapters are in that system? more then 1? or have you bound more then 1 ip to any given adapter? |
| 09:35.54 | rlpowell | petemc: {{{ |
| 09:35.54 | rlpowell | debug1: Bind to port 22 on ::. |
| 09:35.54 | rlpowell | Server listening on :: port 22. |
| 09:35.55 | rlpowell | debug2: fd 4 setting O_NONBLOCK |
| 09:35.55 | rlpowell | debug1: Bind to port 22 on 0.0.0.0. |
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| 09:36.18 | rlpowell | Oh come on, it was only like 5 lines. :P Sorry. |
| 09:36.23 | dutchfish | rlpowell: how many adapters are in that system? more then 1? or have you bound more then 1 ip to any given adapter? |
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| 09:36.53 | rlpowell | sshd in debug mode says: Bind to port 22 on 0.0.0.0 failed: Address already in use. |
| 09:37.03 | rlpowell | "lsof -i -Pn | grep :22" returns nothing. |
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| 09:37.17 | rlpowell | dutchfish: 1 adapter, several ipv4 Ips bound to it. |
| 09:37.38 | dutchfish | rlpowell: are all that ip's in the same subnet? |
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| 09:37.46 | rlpowell | No. Not at all. |
| 09:37.57 | rlpowell | The networking in here is a bit .. odd. :) |
| 09:38.17 | rlpowell | My cable modem accepts external IPs from the inside, so my machines ar edual-homed, but on a sole NIC. |
| 09:38.42 | dutchfish | ????? |
| 09:38.50 | rlpowell | Heh. |
| 09:39.02 | rlpowell | That's what I said when I realized that this modem/router works like that. |
| 09:39.08 | mutante__ | rlpowell: sshd: "Multiple ListenAddress options are permitted." tried this? ListenAddress host|IPv4_addr|IPv6_addr specify both on one line explicitely instead of wildcard? |
| 09:39.20 | dutchfish | you should fix that first, this is not debian related at all .... |
| 09:39.30 | rlpowell | dutchfish: What's to fix? It works perfectly. |
| 09:40.08 | rlpowell | Also, the machine next to it, with the same sort of network configuration, doesn't have this problem. |
| 09:40.14 | dutchfish | rlpowell: mm... is the router maybe not a router but a bridge? |
| 09:40.21 | bofh80 | morning world :) . So i'm using squeeze. woke up to emense crashing, mebe due to a problem with dvdstyler. 41gb xsession error file. Deleted that, but system says i've no space. baobab says i only using 25gb. should i risk rebooting or try to fix it ? |
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| 09:40.47 | rlpowell | mutante__: Specifying addresses explicitely works just fine; it's *only* "bind to all" that fails. |
| 09:41.15 | rlpowell | It just occured to me that this machine is using linux vserver and there is a vserver actively running; I suppose it's possible that htat's breaking something? |
| 09:41.31 | rlpowell | I'm inclined to give up at this point regardless; I have workarounds. It's just an amazingly weird problem so I thought I'd share. |
| 09:41.51 | KB1JWQ | strace it. |
| 09:42.06 | KB1JWQ | See exactly what it's doing when you dig for it. |
| 09:42.06 | rlpowell | KB1JWQ: You talking to me or bofh80 ? :) |
| 09:42.11 | KB1JWQ | rlpowell: You. |
| 09:42.29 | KB1JWQ | bofh80 has a hung file handle. :-) |
| 09:43.02 | bofh80 | KB1JWQ, a reboot should clear? or easy to fix ? |
| 09:43.20 | KB1JWQ | That's why when a log file gets bloated you do NOT delete it. You >$filename it. :-) |
| 09:43.23 | dutchfish | rlpowell: for you own good tear all those problems apart in small peaces and start with a sound network setup on that machine. Check if it works with 1 ip. Check routing tables, firewall and solve your mysterious router problem. i have done this several times and had no such problems ever. |
| 09:43.38 | KB1JWQ | bofh80: lsof, grep out the filename. Kill the process. |
| 09:44.05 | bofh80 | KB1JWQ, i have no idea what >$ does but i'll look it up :D . thanks. i'll do this lsof now . :) |
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| 09:44.59 | dutchfish | rlpowell: last q, what debian version and what kernel are you running? |
| 09:45.15 | KB1JWQ | bofh80: That dollar sign shouldn't be there. |
| 09:45.16 | rlpowell | dutchfish: As I said, the machine righ next to it with the same network config doesn't have this issue. |
| 09:45.26 | KB1JWQ | >/etc/hosts will blow away the contents of /etc/hosts |
| 09:45.32 | rlpowell | I'm really pretty sure now that it's a Linux VServer issue; brief googling seems to support that. |
| 09:45.41 | rlpowell | In which case I have wasted your time horribly and i apologize. :( |
| 09:45.44 | KB1JWQ | rlpowell: What does uname -a say on that box? |
| 09:45.56 | mutante__ | rlpowell: check /etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only.conf (=0) |
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| 09:46.01 | valdyn | rlpowell: bind to all works fine here, even with interfaces with multiple ip addresses, so thats probably not related |
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| 09:46.12 | dutchfish | rlpowell: what kind of vserver ( i use xen/kvm myself ) ? |
| 09:46.22 | rlpowell | uname: Linux pinfu 2.6.26-2-vserver-686 #1 SMP Wed Nov 4 22:32:30 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 09:46.30 | rlpowell | dutchfish: I mean the actual product named "Linux VServer" |
| 09:46.32 | dutchfish | ah ok |
| 09:46.44 | rlpowell | mutante__: Yep, checked that; it's 0 |
| 09:46.59 | bofh80 | KB1JWQ, yes, i see what i've done now, thanks for explaning it so well. man i think i need to restart X. which idiot deleted my xsession-errors file ey. lol. ha . thanks again dude |
| 09:47.03 | rlpowell | Found several VServer people saying "Oh solve that by specifying the IP". |
| 09:47.16 | valdyn | so looks like a vserver bug |
| 09:47.39 | rlpowell | Apparently the various virtual servers interfere wiht each other so that if any of them have port N in use, all of them see port N as in use when they try to bind 0.0.0.0. That's what it looks like, anyways. |
| 09:47.51 | dutchfish | rlpowell: is that a lenny machine? |
| 09:48.02 | rlpowell | dutchfish: Umm. whatever "stable" is? :D |
| 09:48.09 | rlpowell | can never keep track of the release names. |
| 09:48.10 | dutchfish | yes, lenny is stable |
| 09:48.11 | petemc | rlpowell: http://linux-vserver.org/Problematic_Programs , mentions your problem |
| 09:48.41 | petemc | tho for cups |
| 09:48.48 | rlpowell | *nod* |
| 09:49.04 | rlpowell | Well, thanks for all the ideas and stuff; it was an interesting debugging session. :) |
| 09:49.11 | dutchfish | yw |
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| 10:03.07 | dstufft_ | any idea why i wouldn't be able to ssh into a Debian Testing VPS via putty, but i can use plink and pass commands directly (instead of allocating a tty) |
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| 10:04.31 | KB1JWQ | dstufft_: /bin/nologin is your login shell? :-) |
| 10:05.13 | dstufft_ | KB1JWQ: my shell was zsh, i just used sudo chsh -s to try bash instead |
| 10:05.48 | dstufft_ | when connecting with putty, it never tells me "no", it just hangs after it tells me last login: blah |
| 10:05.58 | dstufft_ | it was working fine earlier D: |
| 10:06.06 | dstufft_ | then i had to reboot |
| 10:06.56 | dstufft_ | oh wow it just finally gave me a bash prompt |
| 10:07.02 | dstufft_ | only took 10 minutes (no exageration) |
| 10:07.47 | KB1JWQ | dstufft_: What's the load on the box? |
| 10:07.59 | KB1JWQ | dstufft_: I'd guess DNS, NFS, or LDAP failure. |
| 10:08.07 | dstufft_ | KB1JWQ: 10:07:35 up 1:53, 1 user, load average: 1.55, 1.02, 1.54 |
| 10:08.41 | dstufft_ | But it shouldn't be near that much i don't think, i used init.d to turn off mysql, my webserver is nginx, turned off php as well |
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| 10:09.57 | dstufft_ | oh forgot i had aptitude running to install iostat |
| 10:10.04 | KB1JWQ | What do the logs say? |
| 10:10.14 | dstufft_ | load is now 0.60 |
| 10:10.28 | dstufft_ | 0.47, and dropping |
| 10:10.51 | dstufft_ | KB1JWQ: i'm faily inexperianced, which logfile should i look at :/ |
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| 10:13.00 | dstufft_ | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/279544/ |
| 10:13.49 | mutante__ | dstufft_: just to be sure, your disk is not full, right |
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| 10:15.13 | dstufft_ | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/279545/ |
| 10:15.30 | dstufft_ | important line would be /dev/xvda1 20G 2.4G 18G 12% / i would think |
| 10:15.33 | dstufft_ | and in that case, plenty of room |
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| 10:16.59 | mutante__ | and this server is stand-alone and authenticates users the "classic" way, its not hooked up to an LDAP server or something external for user auth? |
| 10:17.34 | dstufft_ | mutante__: it's a Xen VPS, but other then that everything is classic yea. SSHD is set to auth via public key but no LDAP or anything |
| 10:17.54 | dstufft_ | i wonder if something is wrong with the disks, i really don't know if there is a SAN or local disks backing this |
| 10:18.12 | dstufft_ | even sudo apt-get install iostat is hanging on "Building dependency tree.. 0% |
| 10:18.21 | mutante__ | hmm, does that mean another virtual machine on the same Xen hosts is under heavy load and takes all resources? |
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| 10:19.25 | mutante__ | are you also the admin of xen? |
| 10:20.21 | dstufft_ | mutante__: no, this is a VPS i rent, they arn't in the office atm so was trying to figure out if the problem was my fault or their fault |
| 10:20.29 | dstufft_ | building dependency tree is at 1% now |
| 10:20.30 | dstufft_ | :/ |
| 10:21.25 | mutante__ | hmm, sounds like you could try complaining to them, just to see what they say |
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| 10:22.02 | dstufft_ | now it's fast again and back to normal ~ Wonder if it was an issue on their end that just got fixed |
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| 10:22.51 | mutante__ | i think the storage idea might be a good guess |
| 10:23.40 | dstufft_ | iostat won't tell me anything unless it's something my particular vps is doing right? |
| 10:23.54 | mutante__ | i think so |
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| 10:34.07 | dstufft_ | mutante__: tab complete with zsh to tab complete file paths would probably be iobound too wouldn' it? |
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| 10:37.24 | extor | Has this atime, relatime "patch" by Linus Torvalds improved disk i/o in busy linux servers much? Is this discussion and the points it raises still valid or should an admin just leave disk i/o on busy xen servers on autopilot? http://kerneltrap.org/node/14148 |
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| 10:41.52 | dutchfish | extor: only usefull in file-read-intense workloads, the best improvement is simply more ram. |
| 10:43.06 | extor | I have RAM...but the box keeps locking up every 12 to 24 hours |
| 10:43.09 | extor | I suspect i/o |
| 10:43.38 | dutchfish | extor: while relatime wont break stuff, it is not the preffered way. we need better, specially for ext3 related fs's. |
| 10:43.38 | cast | would be really slow without ram. |
| 10:43.45 | mutante__ | dstufft_: shrug, not sure if that helps, i would contact support describing the 10 minute wait after login and see what kind of logs or debug output they want from you |
| 10:44.59 | dutchfish | extor: what kernel and what debian version are you running? |
| 10:45.23 | extor | dutchfish, I am considering moving to debian from centos |
| 10:45.28 | extor | probably run stable |
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| 10:45.40 | extor | dutchfish, a shot in the dark |
| 10:46.13 | dutchfish | extor: if you stick to the debian way, it does fine, no patch needed. However plan your workload carefully. Use a sane backend. |
| 10:46.37 | extor | is lenny the current stable distro? |
| 10:46.41 | dutchfish | yes |
| 10:46.56 | extor | what version of Xen comes default with it, any idea? |
| 10:47.20 | extor | with centos it's 3.1 |
| 10:47.34 | dutchfish | extor: at the top of my head 3.04 or 3.1 |
| 10:47.50 | dutchfish | extor: let me check |
| 10:48.09 | extor | ouch it HAS to be newer than centos |
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| 10:48.59 | BenNZ | hi can anyone tell me how to kill the nouveau driver? |
| 10:49.13 | dutchfish | extor: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/xen-hypervisor-3.2-1-amd64 |
| 10:49.15 | jantje_ | killall -9 nouveau |
| 10:49.27 | jantje_ | (oh, wait .. no) |
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| 10:49.52 | extor | ok thats odd....cuz 4.0 just came out |
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| 10:49.57 | jantje_ | BenNZ: why do you want to kill the nouveau driver? |
| 10:49.59 | splitbrain_ | hi |
| 10:50.03 | jantje_ | BenNZ: it's actually pretty good |
| 10:50.26 | splitbrain_ | is there a way to list installed packages that are not available in any configured repository anymore? |
| 10:50.26 | jantje_ | I even use dual head setup's and play UT2004 with it |
| 10:50.32 | dutchfish | extor: http://wiki.debian.org/Xen |
| 10:50.40 | BenNZ | jantje_: because i need to install the 256 driver instead and the nouveua driver confilcts |
| 10:51.15 | jantje_ | the what driver? |
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| 10:51.42 | mutante__ | i would like to use a Sanyo Xacti HD video camera as webcam, when i connect it via USB i am offered by the camera: a) Card Reader (auto mounts and lets me browse files just fine) b) MTP (found out that it is a Microsoft protocol and i guess no way on Linux?) c) Screen Capture (auto mounts but i just get to see still images already taken) (what is it for?) d) PC Camera ("uvcvideo: Found UVC 1.00 device SANYO Digital Camera CS1.." appears in dmesg) but tryin |
| 10:51.46 | BenNZ | its the current driver for my card |
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| 10:52.14 | jantje_ | BenNZ: dpkg -l '*nouveau*' |
| 10:52.44 | jantje_ | but you should use the nouveau driver |
| 10:53.28 | BenNZ | that didnt work anyway |
| 10:54.39 | jantje_ | BenNZ: what are you trying to do? |
| 10:54.46 | jantje_ | (and what card do you have) |
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| 10:55.29 | BenNZ | jantje_: remove the nouveau driver, and install the current driver for my nvidia 6150se |
| 10:56.43 | BenNZ | jantje_: i have the current nvidia driver, know how to install it , but need to remove the nouveau driver first |
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| 10:59.13 | dutchfish | extor: if you are keen to use 4.0 you better wait for squeeze see http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xen.html |
| 11:00.02 | extor | isnt squeeze out already for ages |
| 11:00.10 | dutchfish | !squeeze |
| 11:00.10 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the next release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0. It is the three-eyed space alien. Ask me about <wwsr> for recent updates and see also <testing> <squeeze udev> <squeeze kernel> <lenny->squeeze> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze . The Debian release is not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. |
| 11:00.37 | dutchfish | it is still testing (in freeze atm) |
| 11:01.33 | mutante__ | fine for a desktop |
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| 11:04.03 | mutante__ | ah, got the camera picture with luvcview |
| 11:05.34 | jantje_ | BenNZ: *WHY?* |
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| 11:06.34 | BenNZ | jantje_: how do you mean |
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| 11:07.43 | jantje_ | BenNZ: why isn't the nouveau driver good for you? |
| 11:07.53 | jantje_ | original drivers from nvidia suck |
| 11:08.18 | BenNZ | sorry didnt mean that |
| 11:08.32 | BenNZ | jantje_: never had much luck with the nouvea driver |
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| 11:08.46 | jantje_ | BenNZ: explain yourself |
| 11:09.38 | BenNZ | jantje_: games havent run , x didnt work for awhile (but that was with fedora) |
| 11:09.54 | jantje_ | i see |
| 11:10.07 | jantje_ | good luck, looks like '256' are 'new' drivers from nvidia |
| 11:10.09 | jantje_ | good luck |
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| 11:13.10 | bartzy | Hi |
| 11:13.18 | bartzy | How do I disable remote X export ? |
| 11:13.40 | bartzy | if I don't want someone in the network to do export DISPLAY=myhost... and then open graphic programs ? |
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| 11:15.09 | llutz | bartzy: read about X11Forwarding in "man sshd_config" |
| 11:15.20 | bartzy | llutz: No ssh. |
| 11:15.32 | bartzy | people in my network can just do export DISPLAY=myhostname:0.0 |
| 11:15.41 | bartzy | and then they can open windows in my X |
| 11:15.47 | bartzy | how can I disable that ? |
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| 11:16.38 | nae | bartzy: xhost - |
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| 11:33.38 | djura-san | o/ |
| 11:35.45 | jantje_ | bartzy: by default people are -not- allowed to run programs on your display |
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| 11:36.57 | CissWit | bartzy: man xhost should answer you |
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| 11:47.09 | DimGR | hello |
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| 11:47.30 | DimGR | i borked gcc , it says too many symbolic links , how do i fix it please |
| 11:47.38 | wrksx | hi all, which is the debian 4.0 ? is it lenny ? |
| 11:47.55 | CissWit | lenny (5.0.6) |
| 11:48.02 | CissWit | its in topic |
| 11:48.04 | wrksx | a ok thx |
| 11:48.08 | CissWit | 4.0 is etch |
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| 11:52.04 | wrksx | my mysql server is version 5.0.51a-24, what means a-24 ? |
| 11:52.23 | wrksx | and also +lenny4, what'sthe lenny4 ? |
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| 11:53.24 | mutante__ | i guess -24 = build 24 of version 5.0.51a |
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| 11:56.14 | themill | !debian revision |
| 11:56.14 | dpkg | hmm... debian revision is a number added to the package number to show that the Debian maintainers for the package have had a number of attempts at the packaging. The Debian revision is the string after the last - in the version (1.2.3-5 has a Debian revision of 5) and will also indicate a security update (e.g.1+lenny2) or an NMU. Ask me about <nmu> <compare versions> <version epoch>, or section 5.6.12 of <policy> |
| 11:56.32 | Shalok | How can synaptic be used to check whether a package was manually installed or automatically installed (to satisfy a dependency)? |
| 11:57.20 | Shalok | In aptitude automatically installed packages have a big 'A' next to them. I can't figure out where this is displayed in synaptic. |
| 11:57.21 | wrksx | themill, thx |
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| 12:08.16 | Shalok | Is there any way to display the popularity of packages in aptitude? |
| 12:08.25 | Shalok | For example the information gathered using popcon? |
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| 12:10.25 | wrksx | I need to install a storage engine for mysql, which means recompiling sources after applyin a patch. So I need to get rid of my current runnin mysql server. what is the easiest way to do that ? |
| 12:10.40 | wrksx | aptitude uninstall mysql-server ? |
| 12:10.57 | wrksx | or is there any better way ? |
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| 12:19.32 | wrksx | How to unistall mysql-server from debian lenny ? |
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| 12:20.19 | themill | wrksx: "/msg dpkg package recompile", presuming that you're sure it actually needs to be recompiled and not just reconfigured at run-time. |
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| 12:22.15 | wrksx | themill, http://sphinxsearch.com/docs/manual-1.10.html#sphinxse, I must try 'Compiling MySQL 5.0.x with SphinxSE' |
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| 12:22.39 | wrksx | themill, I dont understand if it is doable as you said. |
| 12:22.40 | riot | uhm, i have all my cores at 100% with flush-processes.. why is that? |
| 12:22.53 | riot | since last upgrade. Kernel hasn't really changed.. |
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| 12:23.51 | mutante__ | Shalok: not the real answer but: package="xcowsay"; rank=`lynx -dump http://popcon.debian.org/by_inst| grep $package | xargs | cut -d " " -f1`; echo "$package is rank $rank in popcon" |
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| 12:27.08 | wrksx | is there any reason to use apt-get remove --purge '...' instead of aptitude purge '...' ? |
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| 12:29.59 | themill | wrksx: aptitude will clean up automatically installed packages for you straight away. If you're still planning to remove mysql .debs rather than rebuilding the package, then "aptitude purge ~n^mysql" should work. |
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| 12:30.29 | themill | change that to "aptitude purge ~n^mysql-server" if you want to keep the client stuff installed |
| 12:30.49 | wrksx | themill, what are the mysql .debs ? |
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| 12:38.09 | lenswipe | hey guys |
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| 12:38.13 | lenswipe | i have no sound once again |
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| 12:38.21 | lenswipe | this is getting ridiculous |
| 12:38.24 | wrksx | it is a pain to uninstall mysql from debian |
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| 12:38.45 | lenswipe | audiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512 ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink profile=chat: Could not open audio device for playback. |
| 12:38.45 | wrksx | everything simple to install, removing is shitty |
| 12:38.59 | lenswipe | wrksx, try getting sound working, thats pretty shitty |
| 12:39.20 | wrksx | lenswipe, server doesn't need sound support |
| 12:39.38 | lenswipe | wrksx, +1 |
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| 12:42.20 | mutante__ | lenswipe: maybe this one i just saw a couple hours ago on a friends channel? (3) logging in as root, typed gedit /etc/modprobe.d/sound and added to the text file options snd_usb_audio index=0 |
| 12:43.10 | themill | wrksx: what didn't work about the command that I gave you? |
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| 12:44.20 | wrksx | themill, it worked but I read that I maybe should remoe mysql-common too, and when trying this aptitude wish to remove apache2-mpm-prefork* apache2-utils* apache2.2-common* libapache2-mod-php5* |
| 12:44.21 | wrksx | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:44.21 | wrksx | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:44.59 | wrksx | makes a lot of things to remove for a reason I don't understand, and I'll have to reinstall eerything just after reinstalling mysql |
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| 12:46.01 | themill | wrksx: the apache2 packages can stay but the others would have to be removed if you were going to do this. You're trying to replace debian's mysql with your own one -- you should expect to have to remove packages to do that. (Or alternatively build your own package as I suggested in the first place) |
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| 12:46.36 | mutante__ | wrksx: but it will also automatically install those again, you dont have to list them all |
| 12:46.41 | themill | dpkg: tell wrksx about unmarkauto |
| 12:47.33 | wrksx | themill, f*ck I fear to break my server |
| 12:48.10 | themill | wrksx: why do you want this different storage engine in any case? |
| 12:48.50 | wrksx | themill, it's a full text indexing storage engine known as sphinx SE, for very large number of record to search |
| 12:48.58 | wrksx | themill, like millions |
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| 12:50.10 | themill | wonders if mysql is the right tool for the job at all |
| 12:50.11 | wrksx | themill, I did'nt quite understood which package should I 'unmarkauto'. the libapache2 ones, or the others |
| 12:50.44 | wrksx | themill, maybe there are other solutions, but I used sphinx in standalone mode and it is DAMN fast |
| 12:50.52 | riot | okay, bug between noflushd and linux 2.6.32-5 :/ very similar to #594923 |
| 12:51.03 | wrksx | themill, faster than the blink of an eye ! ;-) |
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| 12:53.27 | themill | wrksx: your apache2 packages are currently "automatically installed". You want to change that if you want to save them being removed along with the rest of the mysql stuff |
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| 12:54.22 | wrksx | themill, ok |
| 12:56.50 | wrksx | themill I did sudo aptitude unmarkauto apache2-mpm-prefork apache2-utils apache2.2-common libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 12:57.08 | wrksx | themill, and it still wants to remove it ! |
| 12:58.32 | wrksx | dependencies are hard to understand and to deal with when discovering linux world |
| 12:58.44 | evilNirvana | wrksx: +1 |
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| 13:00.53 | themill | wrksx: not really at all... but I can't see what you're seeing. Please put it all in a pastebin so I can. |
| 13:01.19 | wrksx | themill, thanks for helpin i paste it right now |
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| 13:02.05 | wrksx | !bin |
| 13:02.05 | dpkg | [.bin] NOT a meaningful filename extension. aptitude install file, then run file on your .bin and see what the hell it is. Or read it with less. Or read the damned README that should have come with it. If it looks like a shell script, try "sh myfile.bin". the extension some JDK installers have, these are executable files; also there is a macintosh archive format with that extension, or a name given to CD images, ask me about <bin-cue>. |
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| 13:02.11 | wrksx | ~bin |
| 13:02.12 | apt | bin is probably where you put rubbish, or your little brother/sister, or your copy of Windows 98 |
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| 13:02.17 | themill | dpkg: tell wrksx about pastebin |
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| 13:03.06 | wrksx | themill, thx |
| 13:03.09 | wrksx | themill, themill |
| 13:03.17 | wrksx | themill, ... =) http://paste.debian.net/97963/ |
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| 13:05.04 | themill | wrksx: you would need to keep the mysql-common package for the sake of everything else. See the output of "aptitude why apache2.2-common mysql-common" for why. |
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| 13:06.05 | themill | wrksx: keeping that package shouldn't be a problem though; look at the output of "dpkg -L mysql-common" to see what it contains (documentation, really) |
| 13:06.54 | wrksx | themill, apparently apache2-commons indirectely depends on mysql-common... |
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| 13:08.00 | wrksx | themill, http://paste.debian.net/97965/ |
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| 13:08.55 | wrksx | themill, seems good, what do you think of it ? |
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| 13:10.49 | DimGR | i borked gcc , it says too many symbolic links , how do i fix it please |
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| 13:18.06 | wrksx | can I use mysql 5.1 with lenny ? I ask because lenny use the 5.0 version |
| 13:18.46 | themill | ,versions mysql-server-5.1 |
| 13:18.48 | judd | Package mysql-server-5.1 on i386 -- lenny-backports: 5.1.49-1~bpo50+1; sid: 5.1.49-1; squeeze: 5.1.49-1; experimental: 5.1.51-1 |
| 13:19.01 | themill | wrksx: ^^ it's in backports; /msg dpkg backports.debian.org |
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| 13:20.06 | wrksx | themill, .... How can I grab mysql sources from the backports ? I supose I should edit my sources.list ? |
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| 13:22.06 | wrksx | themill, or should I download it from mysql website ? |
| 13:22.46 | couannette | isc-dhcp-client overwrite /etc/resolv.conf :( how to configure it to not touch this file ??? |
| 13:22.59 | themill | dpkg: tell couannette about override dns |
| 13:23.25 | themill | wrksx: are you planning to customise the debian packages with these patches? |
| 13:23.51 | couannette | dhcpcd has a configuration option in default/dhcpcd |
| 13:24.07 | couannette | themill: thank you -- this is a know question :p |
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| 13:26.15 | wrksx | themill, no, can you read this ? it will explain erything better than me: http://sphinxsearch.com/docs/manual-1.10.html#sphinxse-installing |
| 13:26.38 | wrksx | themill, if I use 5.1 there is no need for a patch so I'll use 5.1 ! |
| 13:28.03 | couannette | themill: if I install dhcpcd I configure it through /etc/debian -- with the answer you provided me I have to modify the /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf --- will this modification be preserver upon upgrades of the package ? |
| 13:28.15 | couannette | sed /etc/debian /etc/default |
| 13:28.53 | themill | wrksx: §9.2.2 still seems to imply patching mysql there. |
| 13:30.03 | couannette | furthermore if I install plasma-widget-networkmanagement then isc-dhcp-client is automatically installed and supersed the dhcpcd |
| 13:30.04 | themill | couannette: dhcpd is the server and dhclient is the dhclient.conf is the client -- these are rather different things. |
| 13:30.11 | wrksx | themill, which line ? |
| 13:30.22 | wrksx | themill, sh BUILD/autorun.sh ? |
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| 13:30.35 | couannette | themill: oups ! mispell : I meant dhcpcd |
| 13:30.56 | themill | wrksx: step 1 is copying in the engine files. |
| 13:31.28 | wrksx | themill, yes I see what you mean, sources are altered. |
| 13:32.37 | wrksx | themill, what I wonder is if I stick to what is written in the sphinx doc I showed you, will it install in the good place, as my old mysql ? |
| 13:33.10 | wrksx | themill, I downloaded mysql 5.1 and sphinx sources, so I now can try this procedure. |
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| 13:37.01 | wrksx | themill, and after doing this, could I delete the dir /root/builds/sphinx-0.9.7 and /root/builds/mysql-5.1.51 ? |
| 13:37.33 | bc | anyone having any problems querying dict.org (216.93.242.2) using DICT protocol? I can't seem to get a response from them. strace shows it sit at connect() forever. |
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| 13:38.27 | cracoucas | hi everybody, I am trying to read all openfiles of a specified pid with ls -l or /proc/5969/fd/ls -l .... I get a lot of lines of this kind : lrwx------ 1 root root 64 oct 24 14:46 104711 -> socket:[2585874364] ....now how can I have info on this socket? |
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| 13:39.09 | couannette | themill: I've read somewhere that dhcpcd is to become the Debian default, or has to be prefered (maybe I'm wrong) -- what if the isc-dhcp-client is installed along KDE and supersed dhcpcd ? |
| 13:40.11 | cracoucas | couannette have you got an idea? |
| 13:40.35 | couannette | lsof -p <pid> |
| 13:41.16 | cracoucas | I have the list of open files , but I have the lines : lrwx------ 1 root root 64 oct 24 14:46 104711 -> socket:[2585874364] |
| 13:41.28 | cracoucas | how can I read info on this particular socket |
| 13:42.19 | couannette | cracoucas: what do you mean by "read info" ? |
| 13:42.26 | wrksx | what does BUILD/autorun.sh ? |
| 13:42.57 | cracoucas | I have a lot of openfiles growing and growing and all thoses openfiles are socket. I would like to the URL of the socket |
| 13:43.14 | cracoucas | to understand why I have this open files leak |
| 13:43.36 | ram0 | bc: yep, i am a passive user of dict server (command line querying mainly), and i have noticed the same problem. |
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| 13:43.56 | couannette | cracoucas: try strace the process filtered by functions like socket bind |
| 13:44.34 | ram0 | bc: i am not knowledgable of the problem though :( |
| 13:44.35 | bc | ram0: same here. ok, at least that tells me its them. thank you! |
| 13:44.43 | cracoucas | can I have info with the number : -> socket:[2585874364] |
| 13:44.56 | ram0 | bc: ok |
| 13:45.19 | couannette | cracoucas: which type is the socket ? unix, internet ? |
| 13:45.27 | cracoucas | I do not know |
| 13:46.05 | cracoucas | I just read /proc/5969/fd/ls -l |
| 13:46.19 | cracoucas | lrwx------ 1 root root 64 oct 24 14:46 104705 -> socket:[2585907789] |
| 13:46.19 | cracoucas | lrwx------ 1 root root 64 oct 24 14:46 104706 -> socket:[2585869313] |
| 13:46.19 | cracoucas | lrwx------ 1 root root 64 oct 24 14:46 104707 -> socket:[2585292793] |
| 13:46.24 | couannette | cracoucas: if you use lsof to list open files then you'll see the type of the file : example |
| 13:46.29 | babilen | cracoucas: lsof might tell you which process the files belong to |
| 13:46.32 | couannette | cracoucas: apache2 18861 root 5u IPv6 33023 0t0 TCP *:www (LISTEN) |
| 13:46.39 | couannette | apache2 18861 root 4u sock 0,6 0t0 33022 can't identify protocol |
| 13:46.54 | cracoucas | lsof does not work on my ubuntu |
| 13:47.07 | babilen | cracoucas: And Ubuntu is not supported in here |
| 13:47.26 | couannette | cracoucas: lsof might need root priv |
| 13:47.48 | cracoucas | I am root |
| 13:47.50 | babilen | cracoucas: Try running it as root and ask further questions in #ubuntu |
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| 13:47.56 | wrksx | BUILD/autorun.sh: line 23: aclocal: command not found |
| 13:48.04 | wrksx | where can I found this aclocal to install it |
| 13:48.05 | wrksx | ? |
| 13:49.04 | xyan | package automake |
| 13:49.07 | babilen | !tell wrksx -about apt-file -- You are looking for automake |
| 13:49.19 | babilen | !tell wrksx -about apt-file |
| 13:49.22 | babilen | :-D |
| 13:49.28 | cracoucas | please tell me how |
| 13:49.35 | cracoucas | please tell me how |
| 13:49.44 | cracoucas | ok |
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| 13:50.06 | wrksx | babilen, lol apt-file command not found |
| 13:50.14 | babilen | !installit |
| 13:50.14 | dpkg | Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 13:50.24 | wrksx | babilen, but I should install automake, that's it ? |
| 13:50.34 | babilen | yeah |
| 13:50.45 | wrksx | babilen, many thanks |
| 13:51.11 | babilen | you might want to install 'build-essential' as well |
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| 13:56.29 | wrksx | BUILD/autorun.sh: http://debian.pastebin.com/Y020Skz7 |
| 13:56.36 | wrksx | is this expected ???? |
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| 13:58.04 | styol | Hey there. I am trying to install debian for the first time via USB flash. When I boot all I see is a blinking underscore _ -- will it simply take awhile to get started or is something likely wrong if nothing progresses after a couple minutes? |
| 13:59.17 | jargon- | . |
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| 14:05.09 | wrksx | I try to compile mysql sources, I need to run BUILD/autorun.sh but it apparently needs the GNU make version. what can I do ? |
| 14:05.12 | Bushmills | styol, no - i think how you wrote the boot image to flash was incorrect |
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| 14:06.38 | styol | Bushmills: ah, hmm.. what disk format is it expecting? |
| 14:06.53 | Bushmills | none. you write the complete image - it contains a file system |
| 14:07.15 | Bushmills | i.e. you overwrite everything on the stick. all partitions, the boot record |
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| 14:07.52 | couannette | themill: thank you very much for you support -- I'll remove isc-dhcp-client (thus removing all graphical network conf stuff) and stick with dhcpcd (which can be configured to work with a local dnsmasq thanks to --nodns (option set in /etc/default/dhcpcd)) |
| 14:08.00 | Bushmills | it is completely irrelevant what file system was on the stick before, as none of it will be left after writing the image |
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| 14:08.17 | zhanzongru | wrksx: What is the warning? |
| 14:08.20 | Pinchiukas | Anyone can help me with this: http://www.pastie.org/1244947 ? |
| 14:08.59 | wrksx | zhanzongru, support-files/Makefile.am:132: `%'-style pattern rules are a GNU make extension |
| 14:09.21 | wrksx | zhanzongru and I asked #mysql they told me gnu make is a must for this operation |
| 14:09.41 | zhanzongru | wrksx: then you don't have make? |
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| 14:10.02 | zhanzongru | wrksx: try to : sudo apt-get install make |
| 14:10.13 | wrksx | zhanzongru, i THINK i HAE BUT IT MAY NOT BE THE *gnu* MAKE |
| 14:10.21 | wrksx | sorry for the caps |
| 14:10.40 | zhanzongru | wrksx: make --version |
| 14:11.10 | wrksx | zhanzongru, ok you got me: GNU Make 3.81 |
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| 14:11.43 | zhanzongru | wrksx: Maybe it is a automake script bug? |
| 14:12.02 | zhanzongru | wrksx: You would dig into it for a solution. |
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| 14:12.52 | wrksx | zhanzongru, mysql automakescript shouldn't be buggy in the stable version I assume |
| 14:13.00 | styol | Bushmills: im baffled.. ive tried both dd'ing the boot.img to the flash as well as copying boot.img vmlinuz and initrd.gz to the flash and they all just do an underscore |
| 14:13.04 | wrksx | zhanzongru, but you could be right |
| 14:13.19 | styol | Bushmills: via flash or cd |
| 14:13.51 | zhanzongru | wrksx: It could be just some version update issue. It could be called a bug or not. |
| 14:14.02 | Bushmills | styol, what device do you dd the image to? |
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| 14:14.18 | dapush | hey, |
| 14:14.30 | dapush | i could I open a new terminal please ? |
| 14:14.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | I seem to have repeated kernel crashes and I just installed linux-image-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem-dbg - how am I supposed to use it to debug the crashes? |
| 14:15.09 | Pinchiukas | Anyone can help me with this: http://www.pastie.org/1244947 ? |
| 14:15.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | it seems you just move your kernel image away and move the 100M(!) debug image in its place? |
| 14:17.02 | styol | Bushmills: bushmills: the flash |
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| 14:17.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | sadly linux-image-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem-dbg seems to lack _any_ documentation... |
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| 14:17.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | all /usr/share/doc has is the changelog and copyright files |
| 14:18.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I guess you can exchange single kernel module files with some with debug information... |
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| 14:18.41 | Bushmills | styol, /dev/theflash ? |
| 14:18.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | but as I don't have any idea where the crash happens, that would be an all-or-nothing, I guess |
| 14:18.54 | cloversg | Does anyone know of any references to boot debian from a USB but keep configs on the hard disk. I'm trying to setup a nas with soft Raid5 but deb will not boot from it because of the controller SIL3114 |
| 14:19.05 | styol | Bushmills: yeah indeed, it succeeds, i eject.. about to try again.. i only dd the boot.img correct? and thats all i need to do |
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| 14:20.48 | Bushmills | no. you need to dd the image to the proper device. not to a partition on device, but to the whole device |
| 14:22.05 | wrksx | got this error when ./configure : configure: error: No curses/termcap library found |
| 14:22.18 | wrksx | can I install it ? |
| 14:22.27 | evilNirvana | wrksx: apt-get install libncurses-dev |
| 14:22.28 | evilNirvana | i think |
| 14:22.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmh, nobody any idea? I mean it's the only installed kernel, too, so if I exchange it against the debug image and mess that up, I render the machine unbootable |
| 14:22.41 | evilNirvana | dont quite me on this |
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| 14:24.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | wrksx, read the build requirements of what you want to build very carefully and install the needed packages... if what you want to build has been packaged, use the source package and compile that |
| 14:24.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | then you can do apt-get build-dep <package> and they will be installed for you automatically |
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| 14:28.18 | wrksx | How can I know which package to install since I got multiple pakages named ncurse something ? |
| 14:28.23 | styol | Bushmills: you're right, i was doing disk2s1, doing it to disk2 did change it (it doesnt just sit on the underscore) now it says boot0: MBR and then boot0: done |
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| 14:30.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | wrksx, you want the -dev packages for building... so most probaby libncurses5-dev ... read up on what the packages contain with e.g. apt-cache show libncurses5-dev |
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| 14:31.14 | wrksx | CutMeOwnThroat, I tried libncurses-de and it seems to work for the moment |
| 14:31.17 | eshat | Hi all, which package is needed to integrade compiz (desktop effects) into gnome menu "System->Settings->Appearance" like it is on Ubuntu ? |
| 14:32.00 | eshat | or isn't this implemented upstream ? |
| 14:35.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | eshat, you looked through http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz? |
| 14:35.45 | eshat | CutMeOwnThroat: not yet, |
| 14:36.42 | eshat | CutMeOwnThroat: but my problem is not described there, maybe the article isn't up-to-date |
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| 14:37.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | it does mention some packages you supposedly need |
| 14:37.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno, I don't use compiz |
| 14:38.19 | eshat | hmm maybe this is a ubuntu thing |
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| 14:38.59 | Pinchiukas | What would be the best package to install to let the clients behind the NAT forward ports to themselves? |
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| 14:40.38 | eAndrius | tried apt-get install brain? ;] |
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| 14:42.24 | Pinchiukas | Äiulptelk. :) |
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| 14:42.48 | eAndrius | ;]]] |
| 14:42.56 | eAndrius | ir as myliu tave ;D |
| 14:43.30 | wrksx | can compiling mysql take hours ? |
| 14:43.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | why would you want to do that |
| 14:43.51 | wrksx | me ? |
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| 14:43.58 | HardDisk_WP | what control character do I have to echo to stdout to delete the line i just wrote? |
| 14:44.32 | poisonbit | echo -n aaaa; echo -e '\rb' |
| 14:44.37 | poisonbit | \r |
| 14:44.46 | metalfoo | It has been quite a while since I compiled MySQL the last time, but it was more in the range of minutes. |
| 14:44.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | wrksx, there's perfectly fine mysql packages in debian |
| 14:45.09 | HardDisk_WP | thx |
| 14:45.17 | wrksx | CutMeOwnThroat, i need to compile it with a specific storage engine |
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| 14:45.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | and that means? |
| 14:46.23 | poisonbit | HardDisk_WP, mmm \r goes to column 0 in current line, to "delete" you will need to fill with $COLUMNS spaces |
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| 14:46.39 | metalfoo | CutMeOwnThroat: Beside of that there are reasons to compile MySQL. Sometimes. |
| 14:46.43 | wrksx | CutMeOwnThroat, debian only provides standard mysql packages |
| 14:47.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | that doesn't say what you're missing |
| 14:47.34 | wrksx | CutMeOwnThroat, SPINX STORAGE ENGINE |
| 14:47.38 | wrksx | SPHINX |
| 14:47.45 | wrksx | sorry for the caps |
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| 14:48.31 | osmosis | everything I saw on the web about swappiness says lower value means minimal swapping. So I changed my swappiness from 60 to 10. And now I can see on the graphs that a huge swap_cache and way more swap file is in use. I was trying to turn off swapping because whenever linux starts doing random unimportant stuff with the swap file, it messes up my IO throughput. Helpful suggestions appreciated! |
| 14:48.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | like in "sphinxsearch" package? |
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| 14:49.30 | wrksx | wonders why nobody told him about this package before he messed up with his debian system |
| 14:49.47 | wrksx | CutMeOwnThroat, maybe like this package i'll take a look to it |
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| 14:50.12 | metalfoo | It depends whether you mean the indexer or the actual search engine. |
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| 14:50.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | wrksx, if you have to recompile, I would suggest you start from the debian source package and use the debian tools... /msg dpkg package recompile for an outline of the procedure |
| 14:51.04 | metalfoo | sphinxsearch is the indexer. SphinxSE (the storage engine) is not included in Debian. |
| 14:51.08 | wrksx | CutMeOwnThroat, unfortunatly its too late |
| 14:51.19 | SparFux | in Debian sid latest grub from 2010-10-22 I get the problem, that it does not find the kernel at boot time. it is in /boot/vmlinuz-* at installation and at boot time it seems to expect it in /vmlinuz-* I can modify at bootup and remove the boot in /boot/vmlinuz-* and it works. |
| 14:51.27 | wrksx | CutMeOwnThroat, ok |
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| 14:53.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | wrksx, the package I mentioned will not change the mysql packages, but /usr/share/doc/sphinxsearch/README.Debian might provide some hints on the use on debian |
| 14:53.32 | wrksx | CutMeOwnThroat, i did successfully compiled mysql, make, and make install, but no /etc/init.d/mysqld shows |
| 14:54.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | the init scrit won't be part of the unpackaged mysql, I'd think... |
| 14:54.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | one more reason to start from the package source... |
| 14:54.31 | metalfoo | Since you are asking in #mysql simultaneously I think I'll shut up ... |
| 14:54.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh... right... if he's compiling from source and not the package that's the right place |
| 14:55.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, crossposting is rude |
| 14:55.05 | wrksx | metalfoo, this is a cross-chanel question =) |
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| 14:55.29 | metalfoo | wrksx: No its not. And you are wasting people's time if you cross post. |
| 14:55.40 | wrksx | metalfoo, ow sorry |
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| 14:56.18 | wrksx | CutMeOwnThroat, I asked about how to grab sources from debian packages but I got no answers. |
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| 14:57.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | wrksx, well, I told you the factoid that contains that information... |
| 14:57.38 | zhanzongru | wrksx: sudo apt-get source packagename |
| 14:58.31 | wrksx | CutMeOwnThroat, the problem is I don't know much about what really is a package, and since I'm in a rush for geting it workin I made the wrong choice |
| 15:00.30 | wrksx | CutMeOwnThroat but now I think my best bet to get this debian-workin would be to un-make everything, install the debian backport package MYSQL 5.1.51, and then install sphinxSE as a mysql plugin |
| 15:00.47 | wrksx | CutMeOwnThroat, does this seems doable (sorry I miss the good word) |
| 15:00.54 | wrksx | ? |
| 15:00.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | wrksx, packages are collections of files handled by debian... when you just do configure/make/make install, you're just writing files wildly into the system without the packaging system knowing about it... so you're on your own removing those files, also, files might be overwritten by files from a package, etc... |
| 15:01.05 | TTimo | mpf, sid not finding kernels this morning |
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| 15:01.35 | wrksx | CutMeOwnThroat, I undertsood that after I did it |
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| 15:02.53 | jmd | Where's the documentation for gcov? |
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| 15:06.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | wrksx, used mysql a bit, but never this sphinx thing, so I don't know what's needed to install it, sorry. ... from what I just read, that seems to be the way to do it, though... |
| 15:07.31 | metalfoo | Usually you won't need the Sphinx _storage engine_ anyway, if you want to use Sphinx (which on the other hand is a good idea) |
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| 15:08.21 | Pinchiukas | What would be the best package to install to let the clients behind the NAT forward ports to themselves? |
| 15:08.38 | metalfoo | linux-image-* |
| 15:08.39 | wrksx | metalfoo, yes, I already used sphinx in standalone version but it cause perf issues |
| 15:09.16 | metalfoo | wrksx: I don't think you will come around with the storage engine with that. It's just a SQL wrapper around the Sphinx API |
| 15:09.50 | crazygir | hiya, I'd like to setup nginx on a debian lenny system of mine, but see that the version available in apt is a bit dated: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/nginx |
| 15:10.13 | crazygir | what is the sensible way to install/manage the package without interfering with debian/apt? |
| 15:10.57 | wrksx | metalfoo, #mysql told me that I will be able to execute JOINs between sphinx results and mysql tables with sphinxSE |
| 15:11.20 | metalfoo | wrksx: Yes. You are able to use SQL to query your sphinx backend. |
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| 15:11.45 | metalfoo | That doesn't mean that it is faster to your application already using Sphinx. |
| 15:12.32 | nunners | Hi all, quick question for a Sunday afternoon... is there a way of logging all things entered on the command line for a user (or indeed all users?)? Had a quick google but couldn't find anything obviousy... |
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| 15:12.54 | jordanm | nunners: ~/.bash_history |
| 15:12.56 | wrksx | metalfoo, future will tell. But at least it teach me how to deal with packages , comiling etc... |
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| 15:13.14 | nunners | ah... of course... I knew that... just too tired!!! thanks jordanm... |
| 15:13.41 | metalfoo | Do you need indisputability or just a history? |
| 15:13.50 | jordanm | nunners: they can always prevent stuff from being wrote there |
| 15:14.26 | crazygir | is compiling from source advisable in this situation? I'm not too concerned with nginx, but more the dependencies |
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| 15:15.03 | xyan | nunners: bash_history list the commands only, if you are paranoid you could setup screen as login shell replacement and add the logdir/log commands to their .screenrc |
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| 15:16.06 | x0n0x0 | hello everybody, i'm using a Lenovo Thinkpad SL510 notebook with a built in mini-PCI Intel Wireless card and a Debian Lenny system on it's hdd, but when i do "iwconfig", "wlan0" won't show up and it just says "lo no wireless extensions." and "eth0 no wireless extensions" - what's the reason for that? and do somehow have to include "wlan0" in /etc/network/interfaces? how? btw, when i use a mint live cd on that machine, i can easiely access th |
| 15:16.13 | metalfoo | Perhaps nunners should explain what he wants to achieve. Possibilities range from history, memorizing, to indisputable security (i.e. for high security systems) |
| 15:16.37 | wrksx | Ok so I uninstalled my manually compiled mysql server, and now I wish to install mysql-server 5.1.51 on my lenny system. What is the best way to do that ? |
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| 15:16.53 | crazygir | no? :( |
| 15:17.03 | jordanm | x0n0x0: intel requires firmware. which do you have? lspci -nn |
| 15:17.30 | jordanm | wrksx: install mysql-server-5.1 from backports |
| 15:17.48 | wrksx | jordanm, thanks but where can I find backports ? |
| 15:17.55 | x0n0x0 | jordanm: "Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Memory Controller Hub" <-- that's what you're asking for? |
| 15:17.59 | nunners | metalfoo: I'm having to start reinstalling about three servers with all the same setup, and stupidly in the past haven't made notes of the nuiasances of what I'm installing (asterisk pbx in this case) and so thought I'd do the first and try and copy across the comands, which using bash_history is perfect! thanks |
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| 15:18.04 | wrksx | jordanm, is this a simple line to add to the sources.list ? |
| 15:18.10 | jordanm | x0n0x0: no, and use -nn |
| 15:18.26 | jordanm | !tell wrksx about bdo |
| 15:18.32 | jordanm | wrksx: see the instructions page |
| 15:18.41 | metalfoo | nunners: In your use case you are fine with a history. |
| 15:18.54 | wrksx | jordanm, ok thanks |
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| 15:19.15 | nunners | metalfoo: but when history only goes bad a hundred lines, you get slightly stuck - thinking long term here! |
| 15:19.16 | x0n0x0 | jordanm: "Jmicron Technologies, Inc. Device" <---? |
| 15:19.19 | jordanm | nunners: you have /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 15:19.28 | jordanm | sigh |
| 15:19.38 | jordanm | x0n0x0: just post the whole output to a pastebin |
| 15:19.48 | metalfoo | nunners: You can increase your history to whatever you wish |
| 15:20.14 | x0n0x0 | jordanm: it just tells me about some PCI Express Ports an the "Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd..." - can't post everything, i'm sitting on another machin wright now... |
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| 15:20.29 | jordanm | !pastebinit |
| 15:20.29 | dpkg | [pastebinit] a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". |
| 15:21.00 | x0n0x0 | jordanm: i can't as i can't access the internet because i can't access the wireless card... |
| 15:21.03 | jordanm | x0n0x0: I just need the pciid for the wireless card, but you just keep posting to me manufacturer names of who knows what |
| 15:21.52 | x0n0x0 | jordanm: what does a PCIID look alike? |
| 15:22.03 | xyan | [8086:xxxx] |
| 15:22.05 | xyan | end of the line |
| 15:22.19 | jordanm | x0n0x0: ^ |
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| 15:22.59 | wrksx | On my sources.list urls are not debian.org, so I suppose it is using a mirror ? |
| 15:23.10 | x0n0x0 | ah! "[8086:2940]", "[8086:2942]" and several others more! |
| 15:23.15 | jordanm | wrksx: what is it? |
| 15:23.22 | x0n0x0 | jordanm: 6 PCI bridges! |
| 15:23.25 | jordanm | x0n0x0: right, we only need the one for the wireless card |
| 15:23.39 | wrksx | jordanm, http://update.onlinehome-server.info/ |
| 15:23.58 | Pinchiukas | What would be the best package to install to let the clients behind the NAT forward ports to themselves? |
| 15:24.26 | xyan | x0n0x0: maybe.. lspci -nn | grep -i wireless |
| 15:24.37 | jordanm | wrksx: that doesn't look like a debian mirror |
| 15:25.08 | x0n0x0 | jordanm: there is no wireless card listed in there, in another chan they told me of some physical switches and rfkill, so maybe that's why it's invisible? |
| 15:25.26 | wrksx | jordanm, ok so I'll switch em to debian.org, but where can I find a list of exemples lines ? |
| 15:25.28 | xyan | x0n0x0: no rfkill doesnt hide the card itself from lspci |
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| 15:25.37 | eptalon | heyas |
| 15:26.04 | eptalon | since my last upgrade yesterday (sid) grub tells me you must load a kernel first, when I try to boot? |
| 15:26.17 | eptalon | ideas what went wrong? |
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| 15:26.21 | x0n0x0 | jordanm: it doesn't show up, just the usb ports and the graphics controller and the ethernet controller and the memory controller no wireless card |
| 15:26.33 | jordanm | eptalon: yes. you are running sid! |
| 15:26.55 | x0n0x0 | jordanm: model type of the notebook is 2847 |
| 15:26.58 | jordanm | x0n0x0: then you don't have one. is there a switch that physically has it disabled? |
| 15:27.11 | eptalon | jordanm: I know. |
| 15:27.21 | x0n0x0 | jordanm: no, that switch is set to connected |
| 15:27.26 | xyan | x0n0x0: or is the wireless card disabled in your bios? |
| 15:28.14 | x0n0x0 | xyan: no, it just works fine with my mint live cd (including a lot of drivers, of course) |
| 15:28.58 | xyan | x0n0x0: then boot mint and give us the pciid from there |
| 15:29.16 | x0n0x0 | there is "Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:0084]" - that is not the wireless card, i guess, right? |
| 15:29.33 | xyan | it is |
| 15:29.35 | jordanm | ,pciid 8086:0084 |
| 15:29.36 | wrksx | where can I find what to write in my sources list ? |
| 15:29.37 | judd | [8086:0084] is 'Centrino Wireless-N 1000' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'iwlagn' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:0084 http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn |
| 15:29.47 | jordanm | !iwlagn |
| 15:29.48 | dpkg | iwlagn is the driver for the Intel Wireless WiFi Link (4965AGN, 5100AGN, 5300AGN, 5350AGN, 5150AGN, 1000BGN, 6200AGN, 6300AGN, 6250AGN) series of devices. Included in mainline Linux kernels since 2.6.27. Lenny users: ask me about <bdo kernel> to install a later kernel containing this driver. Firmware is required, ask me about <iwlagn firmware> to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn |
| 15:30.09 | jordanm | x0n0x0: need to install newer backports kernel. see the link on the wiki |
| 15:30.37 | jordanm | !telll wrksx about mirrors |
| 15:31.01 | x0n0x0 | jordanm: i'm using lenny, so it's gonna be complicated... |
| 15:31.27 | jordanm | x0n0x0: you just need to install a backports kernel and the firmware. see the link |
| 15:31.32 | Pinchiukas | What would be the best package to install to let the clients behind the NAT forward ports to themselves? |
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| 15:32.24 | jordanm | Pinchiukas: thats call upnp |
| 15:33.20 | wrksx | the mirror url i wish to use is ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ so should I use ftp://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ or http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ ? |
| 15:33.28 | Pinchiukas | jordanm: yes, I know. |
| 15:33.32 | AmberJ | I'm trying to install debian lenny (xfce+lxde) from USB .... but the installer fails at "mounting CDROM" step(3) :( It expects all install files to be in a CD....Is there any workaround for this? |
| 15:33.39 | AmberJ | Maybe a link to some documentation? |
| 15:33.45 | jordanm | Pinchiukas: the client application needs to support it. is debian running on your router? |
| 15:33.58 | Pinchiukas | jordanm: yes and the apps support it. |
| 15:34.01 | jordanm | AmberJ: how did you make the usb? |
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| 15:34.19 | jordanm | Pinchiukas: not sure. gnupnp maybe |
| 15:34.42 | Pinchiukas | jordanm: I think it's only a framework. |
| 15:34.50 | AmberJ | jordanm: Unetbootin. Manually provided it the ISO that I downloaded. |
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| 15:35.07 | jordanm | AmberJ: unetbootin doesn't work. follow the instructions in the install guide |
| 15:35.14 | jordanm | !tell AmberJ about usb install |
| 15:35.50 | wrksx | jordanm, the mirror url i wish to use is ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ so should I use ftp://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ or http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian ? |
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| 15:36.03 | jordanm | wrksx: I recommend the latter |
| 15:36.07 | AmberJ | Thanks a lot jordanm. Exactly what I was looking for. :) |
| 15:36.18 | jordanm | AmberJ: anytime |
| 15:36.20 | x0n0x0 | jordanm: ok, let me try that, looks quite easy, but i'll have to leave the channel to plug the ethernet cable into my notebook, see you later...hopefully! |
| 15:36.33 | jordanm | x0n0x0: good luck :) |
| 15:37.12 | wrksx | jordanm, do you think I also can use http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian-security, I mean is it available, how can I check |
| 15:37.13 | wrksx | ? |
| 15:37.43 | jordanm | wrksx: no, the security repos are not mirrored in the same way |
| 15:37.58 | jordanm | !security |
| 15:37.58 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org lenny/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" (or "aptitude full-upgrade" if the updates are kept back). Also ask me about <dsa>, <oldstable security>, <testing security>, <unstable security>. |
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| 15:42.28 | wrksx | jordanm, does this sources.list seems ok to you ? http://pastebin.com/DSdAL9fa |
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| 15:44.21 | jordanm | wrksx: yes |
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| 15:44.34 | jordanm | wrksx: you may want contrib and non-free for backports too though |
| 15:45.04 | wrksx | jordanm, this is for a production server, do you think contrib and non-free could be useful ? |
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| 15:45.25 | wrksx | I was thinking of removing it een for non security repo |
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| 15:45.48 | jordanm | wrksx: een? it depends what you need. you can always add it later |
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| 15:46.02 | wrksx | jordanm, sorry meant even |
| 15:46.12 | wrksx | jordanm, ok thanks |
| 15:46.50 | jordanm | wrksx: you will want to setup proper pinning to make sure you are tracking the backports version of mysql, since security upgrades will come from there instead of the security repo |
| 15:47.20 | jordanm | wrksx: "Get packages upgraded from backports.debian.org (Recommended!)" section on instructions page |
| 15:47.33 | wrksx | jordanm, saw that, i follow the instruction url you gae me before |
| 15:47.57 | jordanm | ok :) |
| 15:48.07 | jordanm | wrksx: the old instructions page didn't have that |
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| 15:49.01 | wrksx | jordanm, /etc/apt/preferences doesn't exists, is this expected ? |
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| 15:49.14 | jordanm | wrksx: create it |
| 15:49.25 | jordanm | yes, its expected |
| 15:49.40 | wrksx | I suppose it only afect backports |
| 15:50.19 | jordanm | wrksx: the file can be used to configure any repository, but the lines it says to add only effect backports |
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| 15:50.47 | wrksx | jordanm, ok thanks a lot ! So now if I "aptitude install mysql-server" it should install the 5.1.51 version ? |
| 15:51.05 | x0n0x0 | jordanm: wow, it seems that this kernel module was a big success! now the local wireless interfaces show up! |
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| 15:51.17 | x0n0x0 | *wireless networks* |
| 15:51.23 | jordanm | x0n0x0: nice :) |
| 15:51.24 | x0n0x0 | + the wlan0 interface |
| 15:51.44 | x0n0x0 | jordanm: haha, kernel module loading on the fly, oh how much i love linux! |
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| 15:52.01 | jordanm | wrksx: no. aptitude -t lenny-backports install mysql-server ; you must manually select to install packages from backports, but once you install them, they will be automatically upgraded from backports |
| 15:52.06 | x0n0x0 | jordanm: thank you for your great help! wonderful! great channel! |
| 15:52.24 | jordanm | x0n0x0: anytime |
| 15:52.24 | x0n0x0 | jordanm: google would not have helped in ths case, i guess |
| 15:52.25 | wrksx | jordanm, very very great. |
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| 15:56.24 | scx | hello |
| 15:56.38 | scx | anyone use Debian Multimedia? |
| 15:57.20 | jordanm | !anyone |
| 15:57.20 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 15:57.29 | Bop | any ip masquerading expert ? |
| 15:57.29 | scx | should i add only main to sources.list or contrib, non-free, etc, too? |
| 15:57.40 | Bop | im having trouble setting up NAT |
| 15:57.50 | wrksx | Ok I installed mysql 5.1.51 from backports and i had some errors: http://pastebin.com/6QkFsXS9 |
| 15:57.50 | Bop | it wont leave my internet interface , wlan0 |
| 15:58.11 | scx | i have "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing main" in sources.list |
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| 15:58.38 | scx | should i add non-free if i want to install Adobe Reader (acroread)? |
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| 15:59.39 | metalfoo | acroread is not at all on the Debian Mirrors. Perhaps you want to include Debian Multimedia. |
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| 16:00.13 | jordanm | scx: AFAIK, it doesn't have acroread, just additional files for it. you need to get it from upstream |
| 16:00.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | scx, there is non-free for dmm and yes, acroread is in that |
| 16:00.47 | jordanm | CutMeOwnThroat: is it? i see "acroread-debian-files", but that doesn't appear to be acroread itself |
| 16:01.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | jordanm, perhaps you don't have non-free... :-P |
| 16:01.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | are we moving in circles, or what? |
| 16:01.20 | jordanm | CutMeOwnThroat: I am looking at the packages page. I don't use dmm at all |
| 16:01.22 | metalfoo | Perhaps _you_ have Debian Multimedia in your sources.list |
| 16:01.34 | jordanm | http://www.debian-multimedia.org/dists/testing/main/binary-i386/ |
| 16:01.35 | metalfoo | And Debian Multimedia is not affiliated with Debian at all |
| 16:01.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | jordanm, well, I checked and there's the package "acroread" and it's indeed in squeeze/dmm/non-free |
| 16:01.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions acroread |
| 16:02.00 | judd | Package acroread on i386 -- etch-multimedia: 8.1.3-0.0; lenny-multimedia/non-free: 9.4-0.0; sid-multimedia/non-free: 9.4-0.0; squeeze-multimedia/non-free: 9.4-0.0 |
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| 16:02.40 | jordanm | ah, I see... I think that package should be in dmm contrib |
| 16:03.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | !dmm |
| 16:03.00 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>. |
| 16:03.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't think there is a "contrib" in dmm |
| 16:03.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | !dmm squeeze |
| 16:03.22 | dpkg | To add the debian-multimedia repository run (as root) # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ squeeze main non-free" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; aptitude update && aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring && aptitude update. For an alternative way to load Marillat's archive key, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. |
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| 16:03.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | none of the factoids mention "contrib", either |
| 16:04.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | so I guess I have the evidence on my side so far |
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| 16:04.33 | eptalon | hello. |
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| 16:05.15 | scx | CutMeOwnThroat, jordanm: thanks |
| 16:05.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | metalfoo, well, it has some packages one might want on a desktop system... |
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| 16:06.12 | olspookishmagus | any packages for this? http://www.bannister.org/software/ao.htm :B |
| 16:06.18 | metalfoo | CutMeOwnThroat: Didn't say you don't want it. I just said you won'T find it on official mirrors ;) |
| 16:06.27 | scx | CutMeOwnThroat: thx, in the past all packages from Debian Multimedia (including non-free) were in main |
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| 16:07.03 | scx | i dont know that debian multimedia have non-free now |
| 16:07.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm... maybe the split into non-free and main is rather recent... I vaguely seem to remember something |
| 16:08.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | the dmm mirrors also seem to be a new thing... never seen it before, that is |
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| 16:09.10 | Bop | ANY NAT HELP PLEASE ? |
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| 16:10.58 | jordanm | !caps |
| 16:10.58 | dpkg | Don't write words all in capital letters unless they're abbreviations. To emphasize words, put an underscore ("_") on both sides. |
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| 16:12.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | DONT WANNA! |
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| 16:13.34 | scx | Bop: the day of caps lock was a few days ago |
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| 16:14.25 | scx | 22 Oct if i good remember |
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| 16:15.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | jordanm, have you used the linux-image-*-dbg packages? |
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| 16:15.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | or to ask more concrete does one just copy/move the kernel image to /boot and replaces the regular image with it? |
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| 16:16.16 | jordanm | CutMeOwnThroat: no |
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| 16:17.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | when I installed it, I thought it's just give me an identical additional kernel image and modules that would be installed next to the regular one... |
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| 16:18.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | but it seems to go completely into /usr/lib/debug ... and it's pretty huge |
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| 16:43.31 | tarkaram | Was wondering if anyone has installed boxee on debian? |
| 16:43.47 | thepro4ever | is there a special way that I need untar .tar.gz file? it seems to do nothing when i do tar -xf on it |
| 16:44.59 | mutante__ | thepro4ever: try tar xzfv |
| 16:45.40 | jhutchins_lt | thepro4ever: It IS in the manpage. |
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| 16:46.14 | thepro4ever | tar: v: Cannot open: No such file or directory |
| 16:46.35 | thepro4ever | but it is blatantly there and i see it and the command is right |
| 16:46.54 | jhutchins_lt | f last |
| 16:47.05 | mutante__ | thepro4ever: drop the - |
| 16:47.38 | jhutchins_lt | f needs to be followed by the filename. In this case, it's followed by v, which it says it can't find. I'll bet there's no file named v. |
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| 16:48.09 | thepro4ever | it works! i was under the assumption that all tars extraced to a folder named after the tar file, but this one extracts to an html folder |
| 16:48.21 | jhutchins_lt | Error messages are interesting and informative. |
| 16:48.44 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: unless you're using the old - -less syntax, and tar assumes the argument for f is going to come later |
| 16:48.51 | jhutchins_lt | thepro4ever: They extract to whatever folder they were made from, with any leading slash removed. |
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| 16:50.23 | jhutchins_lt | thepro4ever: You might want to use t to list the archive and see where it's going to expand before you extract it, and it's safest to extract it from within a dedicated folder. |
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| 16:50.52 | jhutchins_lt | thepro4ever: Some archives will just dump all the files in the current folder - annoying if it's your home for instance. |
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| 16:57.56 | kapowaz | Hi there. I'm running Debian stable and I'm trying to get Python 2.6 installed. I understand there isn't actually a backport for installing this from testing, but that it can nonetheless be done. Anybody here got experience with doing this who might have a few pointers? |
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| 16:59.27 | jordanm | kapowaz: you will most likely end with a broken system |
| 16:59.56 | kapowaz | jordanm: if I install it from a non-backport source? |
| 17:00.19 | kapowaz | so, is there any recommended way of getting it installed? |
| 17:00.35 | themill | kapowaz: /msg dpkg python2.6 |
| 17:01.05 | kapowaz | is that the backport package? I couldn't see it when I searched with apt-cache |
| 17:01.08 | kapowaz | tries again |
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| 17:10.13 | ksx4system | is there a way to shut down unneeded ttys? (tty1-6 on Xen, running "getty" processes) |
| 17:14.04 | jhutchins_lt | kapowaz: I think we've seen one person who succeeded in a very limited parallel installation. |
| 17:14.48 | jhutchins_lt | kapowaz: Mostly we've either helped people figure out that then needed to do a clean system reinstall, or that their parallel installation just wasn't going to work. |
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| 17:16.22 | jhutchins_lt | ksx4system: I typically cut it back to two tty's by editing /etc/inittab. Be carefull, make a backup, that's a very important file. |
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| 17:20.28 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: Did you have the intel video bug with squeeze? |
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| 17:43.17 | kapowaz | jhutchins: thanks for the advice then. I think I'll leave well enough alone. |
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| 17:49.32 | jhutchins | Grr. liszt.debian.org reports my address is blacklisted, even though I'm subscribed to at least one list. |
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| 17:50.38 | tidux | my i915-based laptop has a 1440x900 monitor, but xrandr only shows up to 1280x800 |
| 17:50.41 | tidux | what's going on? |
| 17:50.47 | tidux | and yes, I have the kernel module loaded |
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| 17:52.24 | jhutchins | tidux: Driver doesn't support full resolution on your chipset, xorg does not detect full capability on your monitor. |
| 17:52.37 | jhutchins | tidux: Kindof depends on exactly which chipset. |
| 17:52.52 | tidux | well that's just peachy |
| 17:52.54 | jhutchins | tidux: Also which release you're on. |
| 17:52.59 | tidux | Squeeze/Sid |
| 17:53.21 | jhutchins | Ok, your own problem then. |
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| 17:57.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | tid... |
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| 17:57.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | impatient, too |
| 17:57.45 | jackmcbarn | how long is "scanning the mirror" while configuring apt supposed to take? |
| 17:58.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | what command did you run? |
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| 17:58.20 | flo` | hi |
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| 17:59.17 | pyre- | How can i find list of cms supported on debian? |
| 17:59.30 | flo` | is it possible to debootstrap an MIPSEL debian system from an intel system? |
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| 17:59.49 | flo` | i have a embedded device with an mipsel processor, and i'd like to install debian there (in a chroot) |
| 18:00.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | !cms |
| 18:00.31 | dpkg | somebody said cms was Content Management System. See <drupal>, <ezpublish>, <joomla>, <modx>, <plone>, <postnuke>, <phpnuke>, slashcode, scoop, <typo3>, vi + cvs. |
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| 18:01.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | what? and how'd your mipsel processor interpret pc-type instuctions without emulating a full pc? |
| 18:01.21 | jhutchins | flo`: Should be possible, but that's kind of a "You tell us" situation. |
| 18:01.27 | pyre- | lol thanks CutMeOwnThroat :) |
| 18:01.42 | jhutchins | CutMeOwnThroat: How about installing the MIPS version of debian? |
| 18:01.45 | pyre- | !modx |
| 18:01.45 | dpkg | MODx is an open source cross-platform content management system written in PHP. It is not in the Debian archive. http://www.modxcms.com/ #modx on irc.freenode.net. |
| 18:01.56 | pyre- | crap |
| 18:01.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | pyre-, /msg dpkg on the further ones in <> |
| 18:02.01 | jhutchins | CutMeOwnThroat: Only problem is how to run grub-install from the intel kernel. |
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| 18:06.23 | pyre- | drupal doesnt install... im trying to make a php site lol |
| 18:06.26 | leroux | ... |
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| 18:06.53 | acu_ | how can I restart a webcam ? |
| 18:06.59 | Ergo^ | pyre-, try using better tech than php, maybe python would be good if you want to learn programming |
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| 18:07.10 | ofdjekkq | THE GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA WANTS YOU TO KNOW WHEN YOU COMMENT ON SPAM, THE GAY NIGGERS WIN. NOW YOU KNOW, AND KNOWING IS HALF THE BATTLE! GO NIGGER!!! neurolysis FuriousDuck magyar titacgs kefalo Cibort elkclone felipe CalebRipley bier WormFood Jinko pav5088 AmberJ paja CyberGabber NoNaMeNo MadViking Rothgar RageOfThou ov3rmind djura-san Phil_Ewert Methamorpheus jcbark_ dzup2 l8star kelsoo lanthan Tux^verdreifelt mtn vilpan permalac Brigo smica s |
| 18:07.10 | ofdjekkq | THE GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA WANTS YOU TO KNOW WHEN YOU COMMENT ON SPAM, THE GAY NIGGERS WIN. NOW YOU KNOW, AND KNOWING IS HALF THE BATTLE! GO NIGGER!!! jargon- styol sycamore metalfoo RichardG couannette dArK_IcE malled llua binbash_ trbs Tom01 kaziem syslq badaxx hebz0rl Deadguy cahoot Xanthor[aw] Cisien pcc1 evilNirvana Zylvain mariusv DimmuR| massmc floe Malf DLange Amorphous jorik phiwer abchirk codingrobot musca omes Eryn_1983_FL s0d0 inferni |
| 18:07.17 | pyre- | why do i wanna learn programming? |
| 18:07.24 | pyre- | i just wanna make a website |
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| 18:07.29 | Xires | pyre-; because you love headaches? |
| 18:07.29 | dzup2 | i hate that gay |
| 18:07.31 | wtiuh31 | THE GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA WANTS YOU TO KNOW WHEN YOU COMMENT ON SPAM, THE GAY NIGGERS WIN. NOW YOU KNOW, AND KNOWING IS HALF THE BATTLE! GO NIGGER!!! wtiuh31 acu_ leroux Strav borkum hell_razer alanp zophy pyre- flo` jackmcbarn ali3n0 Matic`Makovec pLk ia Ergo^ jan0s1k|afk arosen mee rgr crypted Soul_Eater kakashi_ louish AbsintheSyringe scoobertron MrCoffee stereonaut krisfremen metaphys Shachar acemi xingu l403 CharminTheMoose Tigger__ shylent s |
| 18:07.31 | wtiuh31 | THE GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA WANTS YOU TO KNOW WHEN YOU COMMENT ON SPAM, THE GAY NIGGERS WIN. NOW YOU KNOW, AND KNOWING IS HALF THE BATTLE! GO NIGGER!!! neurolysis FuriousDuck magyar titacgs kefalo Cibort elkclone felipe CalebRipley bier WormFood Jinko pav5088 AmberJ paja CyberGabber NoNaMeNo MadViking Rothgar RageOfThou ov3rmind djura-san Phil_Ewert Methamorpheus jcbark_ dzup2 l8star kelsoo lanthan Tux^verdreifelt mtn vilpan permalac Brigo smica sha |
| 18:07.31 | wtiuh31 | THE GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA WANTS YOU TO KNOW WHEN YOU COMMENT ON SPAM, THE GAY NIGGERS WIN. NOW YOU KNOW, AND KNOWING IS HALF THE BATTLE! GO NIGGER!!! jargon- styol sycamore metalfoo RichardG couannette dArK_IcE malled llua binbash_ trbs Tom01 kaziem syslq badaxx hebz0rl Deadguy cahoot Xanthor[aw] Cisien pcc1 evilNirvana Zylvain mariusv DimmuR| massmc floe Malf DLange Amorphous jorik phiwer abchirk codingrobot musca omes Eryn_1983_FL s0d0 infernix |
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| 18:07.41 | dzup2 | i hate that gay |
| 18:07.48 | mentor | dzup2: Don't use gay as a pejorative |
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| 18:07.57 | dvs | a who? |
| 18:08.05 | zophy | ghey is the werd |
| 18:08.09 | neurolysis | mentor: i think he meant to say 'guy', but it was a freudian slip based on the content |
| 18:08.10 | EagleScreen | hello |
| 18:08.12 | ari-tczew | lol, there are not flood-prevent |
| 18:08.15 | zophy | excuse me |
| 18:08.15 | CharminTheMoose | GNAA ftl |
| 18:08.17 | CharminTheMoose | :P |
| 18:08.25 | zophy | teh werd |
| 18:08.28 | Tux^verdreifelt | mentor: dzup2 didn't, he specified that he hates this specific gay, not all gays because they're gay |
| 18:08.29 | Tux^verdreifelt | :p |
| 18:08.32 | Strav | he. I'm using udev to automatically mount a vfat usb drive to a specific dev alias and then run mount to set it to a specific mount point. While everything is fine so far, only root has write access to this mount point so I would like to change how mount is called form udev to allow write access to users from my "exthd" group. So far I've tried: mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt -o gid=exthd_group_id,umask=007 or umask=777 or gid=exthd |
| 18:08.32 | Strav | ... and will no results so far. Anyone can help with this? |
| 18:08.34 | acu_ | Ergo^, why python is better than php in web programing ? |
| 18:08.55 | acu_ | Ergo^, do you know any web based content management system based on python ? |
| 18:09.03 | EagleScreen | if I install Debian Live on a USB-stick with these images http://live.debian.net/cdimage/weekly-builds/squeeze/current/i386/usb-hdd/ will be it persistent? |
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| 18:09.17 | Kazuha | I think my description of whoever that was fits... ã¢ã. |
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| 18:09.24 | Strav | acu_: because of django, python's clean syntax and functional abilities. |
| 18:09.25 | Kazuha | Well, I should say *whatever*. |
| 18:09.27 | mentor | Tux^verdreifelt: That doesn;t follow |
| 18:09.33 | mentor | Tux^verdreifelt: Also, stop |
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| 18:10.24 | Ergo^ | acu_, to be honest i always did custom commercial software in both php and python world, in python you have zope and plone among few |
| 18:11.17 | Ergo^ | acu_, http://plone.org/, http://www.django-cms.org/, cant comment on whats popular right now since i build custom solutions |
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| 18:11.52 | phorce1_ | what do I need to check to find why my ath5k is no longer connecting after upgrade to squeeze? It shows in lsmod and lspci. WLAN0 shows up. If just can't talk to the network for some reason. |
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| 18:13.57 | mentor | phorce1_: WEP or WPA? |
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| 18:14.09 | acu_ | Ergo^, and Strav : I would be glad to learn python - however I am looking for something similar to ez publish (CMS) or moodle (course m s) - they are both php based - though it seem that python is better because you can control things too (motors and robots) directly through - while with php you cannot |
| 18:14.57 | dzup2 | some one understand me |
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| 18:15.23 | Dr_Wi11is | THE GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA WANTS YOU TO KNOW WHEN YOU COMMENT ON SPAM, THE GAY NIGGERS WIN. NOW YOU KNOW, AND KNOWING IS HALF THE BATTLE! GO NIGGER!!! Roma_39m Benkinooby daedhel arjovr vlan7 jargon- styol sycamore metalfoo RichardG couannette dArK_IcE malled llua binbash_ trbs Tom01 kaziem syslq badaxx hebz0rl Deadguy cahoot Xanthor[aw] Cisien pcc1 evilNirvana Zylvain mariusv DimmuR| massmc floe Malf DLange Amorphous jorik phiwer abchirk cod |
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| 18:15.35 | icebrain | hi, any tips on cloning an LVM volume to a larger disk, without taking it down? |
| 18:15.37 | Ergo^ | acu_, if you want to learn programming, then python is better choice hands down - its general purpose language - if you want to just quickly deploy some simple webapp then php cms would be better - please check out plone.org - if its close enough for what you expect |
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| 18:16.08 | sinedeviance | ugh |
| 18:16.11 | sinedeviance | freenode spam again? |
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| 18:16.36 | phorce1_ | mentor: wide open for now |
| 18:16.44 | phorce1_ | mentor: I live out in the sticks |
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| 18:16.54 | mentor | looks at dzup2 suspiciously |
| 18:17.21 | zophy | i used to fry spam in orange juice, reduce it down and carmelize it, great tasting |
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| 18:17.42 | forken | no spam |
| 18:17.43 | mentor | phorce1_: Does your AP show up in iwlist scan? |
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| 18:17.57 | mee | zophy: that actually sounds pretty tasty. Sounds like something they'd like in Hawaii |
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| 18:18.10 | wtiuh31 | THE GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA WANTS YOU TO KNOW WHEN YOU COMMENT ON SPAM, THE GAY NIGGERS WIN. NOW YOU KNOW, AND KNOWING IS HALF THE BATTLE! GO NIGGER!!! wtiuh31 forken ghenry Dalton realchaos atomx icebrain IdleOne Phil_Ewert|aw EagleScreen phorce1_ Asen-Ger acu_ borkum hell_razer alanp zophy pyre- flo` jackmcbarn ali3n0 Matic`Makovec ia Ergo^ jan0s1k|afk arosen mee rgr crypted Soul_Eater kakashi_ louish scoobertron MrCoffee stere |
| 18:18.12 | Benkinooby | hm, usually i know dr willis as a helpful person. his account got hacked? or some1 stole his nick? |
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| 18:18.23 | zophy | but then i learned that they made spam out of Hawaiian natives so i quit eating spam in the interest of conservation |
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| 18:18.44 | c3l | Benkinooby: its spelled differently. and everyone, dont talk about the spam |
| 18:18.44 | phorce1_ | mentor: yes |
| 18:18.46 | Jordan_U | Benkinooby: Those are ones, not 'l's. |
| 18:18.48 | Kazuha | Perhaps a zline on the host? |
| 18:18.51 | Kazuha | Or a gline? |
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| 18:19.22 | mentor | phorce1_: If you try to associate does the AP BSSID show up in iwconfig? |
| 18:20.03 | phorce1_ | mentor: googling "link is not ready" from dmesg now. going to check iwconfig. brb |
| 18:20.12 | mentor | Kazuha: It's not just form one host, and a believe k-lines are automatically g lines these days |
| 18:20.34 | Kazuha | Ah. |
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| 18:20.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | phorce1_, do you see the device when you just call ifconfig? |
| 18:21.19 | strav | He. Simply put: what options should I provide to mount for to allow write access to a specific group on a fat32 drive? (I tried mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt -o umask=770,gid=1001 and other than that, is ls -la on my mount point sufficient to check if the right premissions apply? |
| 18:21.41 | phorce1_ | CutMeOwnThroat: yes |
| 18:22.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | and iwlist scan returns nothing? |
| 18:22.16 | phorce1_ | wait one -- lemme see if it's "stuck" in the AP. brb connecting to router to remove old leases |
| 18:24.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess it wouldn't hurt to write a "wireless checklist" factoid similar to the one for alsa |
| 18:25.25 | mentor | Kazuha: It's not just form one host, and a believe k-lines are automatically g lines these days |
| 18:25.30 | mentor | Oops |
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| 18:25.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, from what you said sounds like !killswitch |
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| 18:28.13 | strav | am I muted? |
| 18:28.19 | omes | yes |
| 18:28.28 | strav | oh |
| 18:28.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | definitely |
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| 18:29.35 | strav | damn I wonder why I can't readily find an answer to that stupid question. |
| 18:30.30 | jhutchins | strav: Probably because trying it is the quickest way. |
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| 18:31.14 | jhutchins | strav: Also surer than us trying to remember if the details are right. |
| 18:32.16 | strav | jhutchins: I'm trying since 20 minutes every possible vfat options mount has. |
| 18:32.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | strav, if you mean that question from 10 minutes ago... umask != chmod |
| 18:32.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | !umask |
| 18:32.59 | dpkg | The umask or user mask is the set of permissions which are *not* set on files and directories that are created with a default set of permissions. For example, a umask of 0022; would mean that files would be created with 644 permissions by default, directories with 755. help umask; or man 2 umask and info coreutils 'File Permissions'; for further details. (You may have to install manpages-dev if you don't have the umask manpage) |
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| 18:34.47 | strav | CutMeOwnThroat: I did tried to chmod 777 all my drive but it seems even root has permission denied for that (not certain if I even can do that on a fat32 drive) |
| 18:34.58 | acx0 | if I have a server running 24/7 and a user on it has a crontab with an entry to run daily, but the user only logs in say every week, will the job still run daily? |
| 18:35.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | strav, that's because fat dosn't have those permissions... you set them with the umask mount option you used above, after that nobody can change them because they're not real |
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| 18:36.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | strav, read the umask factoid above, that was for you |
| 18:36.22 | mutante__ | acx0: yes |
| 18:38.04 | strav | CutMeOwnThroat: hmmm, so I should use umask 000 |
| 18:38.26 | strav | (just to try) |
| 18:38.32 | acx0 | mutante__, okay thanks |
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| 18:39.27 | phorce1_ | this is screwy. I have an IP address. I can ping local machines. I can ping the gateway. nameserver is set to the gateway/router. I can't get out to the net (network is unreachable error) |
| 18:39.59 | joltcan | phorce1_: do you have a/the right default gateway? |
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| 18:43.13 | phorce1_ | joltcan: nice catch, it's not setting it even though it is specifically listed in /etc/notwork/interfaces |
| 18:44.00 | nsadmin | is the gateway address in the same subnet as the machine itself? |
| 18:44.22 | nsadmin | do you have iface whatever inet static? |
| 18:44.40 | mutante__ | phorce1_: but it works after: route add default gw <IP> ? |
| 18:45.00 | phorce1_ | nsadmin: it's dhcp but not getting all the info for some reason |
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| 18:45.23 | nsadmin | you can't specify gw for a dhcp interface |
| 18:45.56 | nsadmin | on what machine is the dhcp running? try reconfiguring it so it gives the gw address |
| 18:46.05 | nsadmin | is the gateway address in the same subnet as the machine itself? |
| 18:46.50 | phorce1_ | stranger and stranger. default gw was in there but listed by name rather than IP --- I removed it then added it again and it works now |
| 18:47.16 | atomx | I have a Mac keyboard on a pc and use Linux. How can I set the keyboard such that when I do not need to press the FN key ? |
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| 18:47.32 | phorce1_ | nsadmin: yes, dhcp from a dd-wrt router. same subnet as machine |
| 18:47.38 | atomx | I do not like to press FN-F1 for F1. I wish to press F1 directly |
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| 18:48.41 | nsadmin | cool; glad it worked out |
| 18:49.00 | jelly-home | jhutchins: "the" bug? I can't remember any particular one. |
| 18:50.25 | phorce1_ | rebooting to see if it comes up by itself this time |
| 18:52.01 | mutante__ | phorce1_: sounds like you need to fix on the dd-wrt instead of the client |
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| 18:52.50 | phorce1_ | looks like the gnome networking tools I thought I had purged crawled back in during the upgrade to squeeze. Fighting against my plain-old /etc/network configs |
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| 18:54.30 | phorce1_ | works after reboot. Now to get rid of grub-legacy |
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| 18:56.57 | phorce1_ | and then replace the smal drive I'm using as / because s.m.a.r.t. is reporting iminent failure (209 relocated sectors) |
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| 18:58.57 | phorce1_ | just LOVES correcting the boot/root device info in grub <sigh> |
| 19:00.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, right... I guess I can also get rid of grub1 |
| 19:00.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | needs some finger-crossing, though |
| 19:02.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | fingers already all twisted up since running squeeze |
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| 19:25.13 | themill | bluntman225: if you have to ask, then no. |
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| 19:28.34 | Larcen_ | hi all |
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| 19:34.15 | Larcen_ | yesterday I updated my Debian Testing and when I powered on my computer today, network was completely disabled (wifi and wired). When I try to connect, system tells me "Network is down" and the "lshw -C network" command shows me "network DISABLED" in all interfaces. Any help?? |
| 19:34.36 | abrotman | did you install/update network-manager? |
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| 19:35.06 | Larcen_ | no, but the problen is not only using network manager |
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| 19:35.10 | Larcen_ | problem |
| 19:35.31 | Larcen_ | when I set up network using /etc/network/interfaces the problem still |
| 19:35.43 | Larcen_ | exists |
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| 19:36.43 | nsadmin | probably you should supply the details of how you set up with interfaces file |
| 19:37.21 | Larcen_ | I had try the same config 2 weeks ago and it runs |
| 19:37.57 | Larcen_ | is not a problem on network configuration...the problem is that all interfaces was disabled |
| 19:38.09 | nsadmin | so far I don't see how to help |
| 19:38.45 | Larcen_ | can be a firmware packet problem? |
| 19:39.17 | phorce1_home | check dmesg for errors |
| 19:39.20 | abrotman | it could be .. did you look through dmesg? |
| 19:39.26 | Larcen_ | I saw that one of the updates was about the firmware packages |
| 19:39.30 | nsadmin | I guess anything's possible... I have no information available to rule anything out |
| 19:39.59 | Larcen_ | ok...i'm going to check dmesg all tell you... |
| 19:40.09 | thepro4ever | how do i set debian to stop opening up new windows when i navigate teh filesystem via its graphics functionality?? |
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| 19:40.35 | FBS | with nautilus? |
| 19:40.43 | abrotman | thepro4ever: be more specific .. there are a few dozen window managers |
| 19:41.08 | thepro4ever | well i click on computer then on filesystem then on home and everytime i click on a new folder it pops up a new window |
| 19:41.22 | thepro4ever | i want it to just replace the current window |
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| 19:41.47 | thepro4ever | windows has an option for that under folder options, i have no idea where a corresponding option for that is in debian |
| 19:42.01 | FBS | http://linux.about.com/library/gnome/blgnome6n3a.htm |
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| 19:43.03 | nsadmin | this isn't about windows... it's about what you are using right now, which you haven't said what it is |
| 19:43.29 | themill | thepro4ever: you still have told us what file manager this is. You're the one who is looking at the screen so you need to answer that question. Our ESP is a little worn out by the length of Sunday around here. |
| 19:43.53 | thepro4ever | i don't know how much more clear i need to be, everytime i click on a folder it opens a new window |
| 19:44.02 | abrotman | thepro4ever: in what? |
| 19:44.02 | lud_ | hi everyone! |
| 19:44.08 | abrotman | thepro4ever: gnome? kde? xfce |
| 19:44.09 | abrotman | ? |
| 19:44.13 | thepro4ever | whatever the default filemanager is, gnome |
| 19:44.24 | fbs | try my link |
| 19:44.42 | nsadmin | it's good with tomatoes |
| 19:45.14 | fbs | or http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2006/06/27/changing-display-modes-in-nautilus/ |
| 19:45.15 | lud_ | does anybody know if irc works in cuba??? |
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| 19:45.39 | nsadmin | ask Fidel |
| 19:45.44 | jelly-home | lud_: there have been users from cuba in the last few months |
| 19:46.04 | lud_ | @nsadmin very funny! |
| 19:46.13 | ksx4system | lud_: afaik internet isn't accessible from Cuba |
| 19:46.15 | lud_ | @jelly-home thanks |
| 19:46.38 | Jarlaxe | hi guys i would need a help on masquerade cause i really dont find the hint : 2 netbook with both debian, A and B. A is connected. On A, i do the ifconfig eth0 192.168.111.1, then on B, ifconfig [...] 111.2, then route [...] gw [...].1, finally on B, sysctl forward then iptables... but ping on B gives nothing.... it suppos to work like so. any idea ? |
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| 19:47.16 | thepro4ever | i just want to open folders in current window and not have a new window pop up |
| 19:47.32 | ksx4system | Jarlaxe: don't use Linux to do NAT ("masquerade"), it sucks. use OpenBSD for this |
| 19:48.07 | fbs | thepro4ever: put it in brwosing mode |
| 19:48.26 | fbs | thepro4ever: http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2006/06/27/changing-display-modes-in-nautilus/\ |
| 19:48.29 | Jarlaxe | ksx4system: i go ste by stepm i already installed a freeBSD once. thank you |
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| 19:48.44 | fbs | without the last \ |
| 19:48.54 | abrotman | ksx4system: that's a stupid and useless answer |
| 19:49.24 | abrotman | Jarlaxe: have you read the docs at netfilter.org ? |
| 19:49.31 | thepro4ever | fbs: yeah browsing mode works!!! THANKS ALOT |
| 19:49.47 | nsadmin | if you're runnign lenny you could use ipmasq |
| 19:49.56 | ksx4system | abrotman: no, it's just a fact. pf is better (more user friendly) than iptables. and no, i don't need flamewar. |
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| 19:50.12 | abrotman | so you're just being an ass to everyone here? |
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| 19:50.37 | jelly-home | who knows, maybe openbsd really is a good netbook OS |
| 19:50.37 | Jarlaxe | in fact, it does work but before each "moving", there's this issue... |
| 19:51.01 | themill | maybe it's even relevant to #debian. |
| 19:51.02 | Jarlaxe | abrotman: yes i did, but it still sounds chinese for me yet ^^ |
| 19:51.23 | homie | what is vcsa ? |
| 19:51.28 | homie | libggi-target-vcsa ? |
| 19:51.53 | jelly-home | homie: apt-cache show packagename will show you its description among other things |
| 19:51.55 | homie | aaah |
| 19:52.00 | homie | sorry got it |
| 19:52.12 | nsadmin | ksx4system: out of curiousity, what brings you here? if you believe something else to be more useful, why not use that? |
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| 19:53.52 | abrotman | Jarlaxe: which version of debian ? |
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| 19:54.49 | HackeMate | hi |
| 19:54.56 | icebrain | is /dev fully generated at runtime? If I want to copy / to a new drive, do I need to copy it too? |
| 19:55.03 | Jarlaxe | abrotman: both eeepc (one 701 one 1000he) with both squeese 2.6.32/lxde |
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| 19:55.07 | HackeMate | i am trying to open a X session remotely and I tried with ssh -X or -Y but i dont get it |
| 19:55.12 | abrotman | Jarlaxe: ah okay .. |
| 19:55.17 | abrotman | icebrain: no |
| 19:55.33 | abrotman | icebrain: but you do want the /dev/ ... just not hte contents |
| 19:55.40 | themill | dpkg: tell HackeMate about sshx |
| 19:55.40 | icebrain | abrotman: ok, thanks |
| 19:55.55 | pallgone | hmm, I once read that upstart is going to be part of squeeze, is that history? |
| 19:56.32 | Jarlaxe | abrotman: i try to find a howto that looks like what i do usually (and wor usually) |
| 19:56.42 | themill | pallgone: what makes you say it's not part of squeeze? |
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| 19:56.55 | abrotman | Jarlaxe: and there is one at netfilter.org |
| 19:56.55 | HackeMate | ah! thank you so much themill |
| 19:57.19 | themill | np |
| 19:58.46 | Jarlaxe | abrotman: i re-read it (on netfilter) but i still don't understand it |
| 19:59.05 | abrotman | is so glad they removed the ipmasq package .. |
| 19:59.29 | abrotman | themill: i think at one time, there was talk of making it hte default |
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| 20:01.22 | themill | abrotman: I know. That doesn't make it "not part of squeeze" though. |
| 20:01.50 | abrotman | i was trying to interpret what he actually meant .. silly task i know :) |
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| 20:04.25 | HackeMate | when I open ssh -X i receive this warning: untrusted X11 forwardin setup failed: xauth key data not generated -- no xauth data; using fake authentication data for X11 forwarding (the fake also fails) |
| 20:04.30 | HackeMate | how can i create a key? |
| 20:07.24 | jelly-home | HackeMate: is xauth available on the remote site? |
| 20:08.01 | Jarlaxe | abrotman: http://netfilter.org/documentation/HOWTO//NAT-HOWTO-4.html#ss4.1 i still don't got it ^^ |
| 20:08.01 | Jarlaxe | this is hthe howto i use usually http://paste.debian.net/97998/ |
| 20:09.07 | HackeMate | jelly-home, yes it is |
| 20:09.17 | HackeMate | it is my own computer and i am experimenting with the laptop via wifi |
| 20:10.00 | HackeMate | if i type xauth i get this: Using authority file /home/hxm/.Xauthority |
| 20:10.06 | HackeMate | and a prompt xauth> |
| 20:10.37 | jelly-home | HackeMate: on the remote machine? That would indeed indicate it's present and working. |
| 20:11.30 | HackeMate | if i type xauth in the remote machine i get the same |
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| 20:12.17 | HackeMate | i will read information about this, im lost |
| 20:12.28 | phorce1_home | HackeMate: and you are ssh'ing to the remote machine as a non-root user who has access to X? |
| 20:12.38 | HackeMate | right phorce1_home |
| 20:12.53 | jelly-home | HackeMate: what does "xauth list" on the remote machine show? |
| 20:13.45 | HackeMate | http://pastebin.com/e4KMSAKB |
| 20:13.54 | HackeMate | similar to this debian/unix:0 MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 17d2c7e9eb454e97010bcdf4c9110650 |
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| 20:14.45 | nsadmin | what happens when you try to run an x app in the ssh (that is, on the remote) |
| 20:15.36 | HackeMate | X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting. |
| 20:15.45 | HackeMate | but i am using the same user i am logged now |
| 20:16.12 | HackeMate | ah sec, if i try to open kwrite in example, it works :d |
| 20:16.21 | ksx4system | nsadmin: in general: I'm a happy user of Debian. however, I hate iptables - I just prefer packet filter instead. |
| 20:16.23 | HackeMate | i tried executing startx |
| 20:16.47 | grobe0ba | i used to love netbsd's implementation of pf |
| 20:16.52 | grobe0ba | iptables is so much more powerful though |
| 20:16.55 | HackeMate | i thought i could be able to open a normal x session as a terminal server |
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| 20:17.38 | nsadmin | no, but what you can do is run x client programs on the remote which display on the local x server |
| 20:17.53 | nsadmin | perhaps man X would be a good read for you |
| 20:18.02 | nsadmin | anyway, it's working |
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| 20:18.15 | phorce1_home | HackeMate: don't do startx. run something like /usr/bin/gedit |
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| 20:18.41 | HackeMate | phorce1_home, yes, that way works, but i expected i could see a desktop and taskbar and so on |
| 20:18.48 | phorce1_home | oops -- missed that line that kwrite works |
| 20:19.02 | HackeMate | is reading man X |
| 20:19.03 | phorce1_home | HackeMate: investigate using NX |
| 20:19.11 | HackeMate | nx wont work in squeee |
| 20:19.13 | HackeMate | squeeze* |
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| 20:23.36 | phorce1_home | HackeMate: works fine here |
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| 20:23.50 | HackeMate | phorce1_home, i get tons of LSB warnings |
| 20:25.15 | phorce1_home | I just logged in to the machine at my office to check and am currently reading mail using claws-mail in an NX window |
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| 20:26.50 | HackeMate | i installed the packages, and tried to open it and yes, it works |
| 20:26.55 | HackeMate | so those warnings arent critical? |
| 20:27.18 | phorce1_home | HackeMate: ahhh .... I upgraded earlier today and didn't let squeeze change the sysv-init setup so that may be why I don't get the warnings |
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| 20:27.57 | phorce1_home | in fact, it was me having NX installed that caused to upgrade toskip that step |
| 20:28.07 | HackeMate | i see |
| 20:28.12 | djszapi | where are Packages.gz files downloaded on my PC ? |
| 20:28.18 | djszapi | under which directory ? |
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| 20:29.45 | HackeMate | phorce1_home, is it usable anyway? |
| 20:29.47 | phorce1_home | s/to upgrade toskip/the upgrade to skip/ |
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| 20:30.30 | phorce1_home | HackeMate: system is running fine ---- even with the / drive issuing FAILURE IMMINENT! SMART warnings <grin> |
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| 20:31.25 | grobe0ba | loves his 12 drive RAID 5 array |
| 20:31.36 | sid3k | guys, is there any cli command/app to listen aac radio from commandline? |
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| 20:32.08 | HackeMate | i go try, thanks ^^ |
| 20:32.37 | sid3k | I feel like I'm invisible in this channel |
| 20:32.38 | cast | sid3k: tried mplayer? |
| 20:32.43 | sid3k | cast: nope |
| 20:33.24 | cast | hmm, in my experience if mplayer can't do it it aint happening |
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| 20:35.54 | HackeMate | thanks, phorce1_home |
| 20:36.17 | phorce1_home | grobe0ba: this is the home machine that I only use 1 or 2 days/week and use to pull a lenny/squeeze mirror onto an eSATA drive. Tossed it together from spare drives that I hadn't marked as god/marrginal/bad |
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| 20:43.23 | disposable | if i have "noop [cfq]" in /sys/block/sda/queue, which one is the kernel using for this disk? noop or cfg? |
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| 20:43.36 | disposable | s/cfg/cfq |
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| 20:45.32 | disposable | i will answer my own question - the one without the square brackets is the one in use. the other one is only available |
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| 21:00.57 | imaginaryman | Hello, when I start Virtual Box I am getting the error |
| 21:01.08 | imaginaryman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:02.03 | imaginaryman | also when running google I have the error /usr/bin/google-chrome: symbol lookup error: /usr/bin/google-chrome: undefined symbol: FT_Library_SetLcdFilter |
| 21:02.03 | imaginaryman | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:02.08 | scoobertron | sid3k: not sure what aac radio is, but mplayer play internet radio from the bbc and other stations just fine for me |
| 21:02.21 | imaginaryman | I know its something to do with freetype |
| 21:02.57 | imaginaryman | I ran ldd on all the libs and everything seems to be pointing to the correct places |
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| 21:06.05 | imaginaryman | yup I am a newb |
| 21:06.16 | imaginaryman | figured it out |
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| 21:06.41 | t3a | how do i add a screen with xrandr in debian kde |
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| 21:07.52 | peterrooney | imaginaryman: what was it? |
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| 21:12.07 | solars | hey, is there a way to quickly change keyboard layout to switch between two layouts? e.g. in console/vim |
| 21:12.19 | imaginaryman | peterrooney: I compiled freetype from source and forgot I had |
| 21:12.27 | imaginaryman | I just uninstalled it |
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| 21:13.05 | imaginaryman | When I compile something is there a way to automatically make it into a .deb so my system is aware of it? |
| 21:14.08 | et | often you can use make DESTDIR=dirname install and then package what is in dirname |
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| 21:14.26 | osx5 | hello all |
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| 21:15.55 | osx5 | I was wondering how I can install debian with XFCE, do I have to install the entire iso first then go in there and run aptitude, or can I do a netinstall or custom install (in the GUI) where I pick xfce |
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| 21:16.12 | simonrvn | there's an xfce iso |
| 21:16.26 | osx5 | there is? |
| 21:16.33 | osx5 | hm I wonder how I missed it |
| 21:16.54 | abrotman | osx5: in ggeneral, we say to use the netinst anyway |
| 21:17.12 | osx5 | simonrvn: have a hyperlink? |
| 21:17.21 | osx5 | abrotman: educate me as to why, im' a newbie |
| 21:17.24 | abrotman | osx5: where are you downloading the ISO from ? |
| 21:17.31 | osx5 | I live in the USA |
| 21:17.37 | osx5 | I'm on the official debian site |
| 21:17.43 | abrotman | osx5: usually it's a better use of bandwidth |
| 21:17.55 | abrotman | osx5: yes .. where on the site? |
| 21:18.18 | osx5 | I'm under the stable section for downloads |
| 21:18.21 | osx5 | list of mirrors |
| 21:18.26 | osx5 | http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#stable |
| 21:18.58 | Shadur | GAH. grub2 in sid just nearly gave me a coronary. |
| 21:19.22 | osx5 | abrotman: I see nothing for an xfce download , I can get the netinstall if I had to |
| 21:19.32 | abrotman | osx5: click on one of those architectures .. then ctrl-f and 'xfce' ... but really the netinst is usually a better use of bandwidth/time |
| 21:19.59 | abrotman | osx5: which architecture are you choosing ? |
| 21:20.08 | Shadur | All boot kernels came up with "file not found" -- for some reason, update-grub added /boot/ to each of the kernel filenames despite /boot being its own partition. |
| 21:20.27 | osx5 | abrotman: i'll grab the netinstall |
| 21:20.34 | osx5 | i've never done an net install before |
| 21:20.43 | osx5 | i386 arch |
| 21:20.47 | abrotman | osx5: it does imply that your NIC will be supported |
| 21:20.52 | osx5 | I want to put this on a netbook eventually |
| 21:21.01 | abrotman | osx5: right, the XFCE .. search for 'xfce' .. lowercase |
| 21:21.13 | osx5 | i found it |
| 21:21.16 | osx5 | ty |
| 21:21.18 | phorce1_home | how difficult is it to grow an ext3 partition with gparted or similar after cloning a disk? Acronis isn't letting me resize the primary partition when using the "Clone Disk" method so I'm ending up with a 39GiB unused hole on the new disk. (My Debian / drive is reporting SMART failure imminent so I'm replacing it) |
| 21:22.12 | osx5 | abrotman: which version of -kde- does 5.06 support? just wondering |
| 21:22.28 | abrotman | osx5: 3.5.x .. |
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| 21:22.34 | osx5 | k |
| 21:22.37 | osx5 | I was just curious |
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| 21:23.20 | osx5 | abrotman: no kde 4.5 for debian? |
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| 21:26.02 | abrotman | osx5: not in lenny .. squeeze has 4.x .. not sure which version exactly |
| 21:26.09 | abrotman | judd: version kdelibs |
| 21:26.14 | abrotman | judd: versions kdelibs |
| 21:26.17 | judd | Package kdelibs on i386 -- etch: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-8etch3; etch-security: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-8etch3; etch-backports: 4:3.5.7.dfsg.1-7~bpo40+1; lenny: 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-0lenny4; lenny-security: 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-0lenny4; sid: 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-5; squeeze: 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-5 |
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| 21:26.23 | abrotman | eh .. that's wrong |
| 21:26.39 | Chell | Hi all, I was wondering what everybody uses nowadays for cli-client for twitter. I'm looking for an app actively maintained, curses or slang based. I allready googled and found some, but I'm open to suggestions ;) |
| 21:26.50 | ram0 | phorce1_home: if you enlarge it to the right it is fairly easy |
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| 21:28.28 | phorce1_home | ram0: I have primary to the far left and swap to the far right with the 39G hole between. Should have no issues |
| 21:29.59 | osx5 | abrotman: im loading up a VM on this box i'm on to do the net install then i'll do it on my netbook after this one |
| 21:30.09 | osx5 | should be a learning experience |
| 21:30.10 | abrotman | ok |
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| 21:31.14 | ksx4system | any ideas how do I setup MaraDNS to work as a slave server? (I'm asking here just because there's no #maradns and machine I want to be slave DNS runs Debian) |
| 21:31.55 | ram0 | phorce1_home: to grow to the right, gparted will move both the partition and the file system to right, and so it needs more dedication |
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| 21:32.18 | ram0 | phorce1_home: s/right/left |
| 21:34.43 | sid3k | hi all. I'm using mplayer to play a aac radio station that provides song information. is there any mplayer command to get information of the track mplayer plays? like; mplayer -display-song-info |
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| 21:40.04 | osx5 | abrotman: when I loaded the net install i went to the additional options and picked xfce |
| 21:40.07 | osx5 | then i hit enter for install |
| 21:40.12 | osx5 | *hoping it works* |
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| 21:45.40 | t3a | how do i install firefox, every tut ive tried leaves it saying its not installed |
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| 21:46.21 | sivang | hi all |
| 21:46.24 | freebird2 | hello |
| 21:46.24 | osx5 | abrotman: you there? |
| 21:46.40 | sivang | what's the proper policy way now to package python software that is a server? |
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| 21:47.00 | sivang | I also have a client lib, so I need to to be able to split it to 2 packages. |
| 21:47.04 | abrotman | osx5: yes |
| 21:47.05 | sivang | hey freebird2 |
| 21:47.21 | abrotman | sivang: you probably want to ask #debian-python on irc.oftc.net |
| 21:47.24 | sivang | is there enough docs at the debian policy manual for that by now? |
| 21:47.25 | osx5 | this channel is not like others, these guys want you to RTFM typically from what I've been told, and thats fine if you're not a complete newbie |
| 21:47.27 | freebird2 | sivang, what`s up |
| 21:47.32 | sivang | abrotman: oh :) |
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| 21:47.53 | sivang | freebird2: cool, I thought you were going to answer my question :) |
| 21:48.48 | freebird2 | sivang, I would if I had a clue |
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| 21:49.17 | sivang | freebird2: :) thanks anyway |
| 21:49.19 | freebird2 | sivang, if you need anything related to php, feel free to ask |
| 21:49.22 | sivang | abrotman: heading there |
| 21:49.27 | sivang | freebird2: do we know each other btw? |
| 21:49.40 | freebird2 | sivang, maybe, who knows |
| 21:49.51 | freebird2 | sivang, where are you from ? I`m from brazil |
| 21:49.57 | abrotman | freebird2: there is a ##php |
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| 21:51.00 | osx5 | abrotman: since debian has a longer development/release cycle, is 5.06 essentially just a bunch of fixes/updates? |
| 21:51.03 | freebird2 | abrotman, I know man |
| 21:51.17 | osx5 | minor updates I should have said |
| 21:52.34 | abrotman | osx5: not really |
| 21:52.40 | abrotman | oh.. from 5.0.0 ... yes |
| 21:53.06 | t3a | how do i install firefox, every tut ive tried leaves it saying its not installed |
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| 21:54.12 | sivang | freebird2: Israel, but I worked for Zend for a while |
| 21:55.44 | freebird2 | sivang, oh very nice, |
| 21:55.50 | freebird2 | sivang, you must be php guru |
| 21:56.04 | ImaLamer | can i install debian from an existing distribution, i've only installed via FTP and CD before.. |
| 21:56.16 | sivang | freebird2: no am not, but more QA guru and now maybe Python dude :) |
| 21:56.22 | osx5 | lamer, you should do a fresh install |
| 21:56.24 | sivang | freebird2: anywya, gotta run to foct |
| 21:56.26 | sivang | oftc |
| 21:56.28 | sivang | cheers all |
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| 21:56.43 | Amnesia | hi I've got the strangest issue ever |
| 21:56.52 | freebird2 | sivang, hey |
| 21:57.01 | imaginaryman | Has any one used make-kpkg to compile 2.6.36? |
| 21:57.01 | Amnesia | When I manually link a init script from /etc/init.d/ |
| 21:57.03 | ImaLamer | i can't kick it off without a live session/install? (the machine will sleep during those sessions :( ) |
| 21:57.04 | Amnesia | it get's ignored |
| 21:57.12 | Amnesia | but when I run update-rc.d it works fine |
| 21:57.26 | Amnesia | how the heck is that possible |
| 21:57.27 | Amnesia | ? |
| 21:57.28 | abrotman | manually link it how ? |
| 21:57.37 | Amnesia | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 Oct 24 23:48 S02bitlbee -> ../init.d/bitlbee |
| 21:57.49 | Amnesia | ln -s ../init.d/bitlbee ./S02bitlbee |
| 21:57.55 | t3a | how do i configure x drivers |
| 21:57.55 | Amnesia | permissions are fine |
| 21:58.03 | imaginaryman | hehe |
| 21:58.07 | Amnesia | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 47 Oct 24 23:26 /etc/init.d/bitlbee |
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| 21:58.41 | Amnesia | when it's linked manually it doesnt get run at boot time at all o0 |
| 21:58.46 | abrotman | Amnesia: ls /etc/rc2.d/ .. .what do you notice about the other files there? |
| 21:59.05 | Amnesia | ehm S**? |
| 21:59.07 | abrotman | t3a: you likely don't have to, what's wrong with the config they have now |
| 21:59.11 | abrotman | Amnesia: yes ... |
| 21:59.25 | Amnesia | I've called it that.. |
| 21:59.35 | Amnesia | S02bitlbee |
| 21:59.44 | ksx4system | asking again because ack of reply: any ideas how do I setup MaraDNS to work as a slave server? (I'm asking here just because there's no #maradns and machine I want to be slave DNS runs Debian) |
| 21:59.49 | abrotman | but you probably don't want to start it that early |
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| 22:00.13 | Amnesia | hm well, update-rc.d also called it that.. |
| 22:00.18 | Amnesia | and then it worked fine |
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| 22:00.27 | t3a | i cant get my second monitor to display correctly. right now its just copying the first monitor |
| 22:00.28 | Amnesia | but I'm just staggered it won't work manually |
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| 22:00.57 | abrotman | Amnesia: you probably want sometihng like S50 or even higher |
| 22:01.27 | Bushmills | ksx4system, not comfortably, as maradns doesn't support axfr. you need to signal zone updates yourself, and have let the slave fetch them with getzone or fetchzone |
| 22:01.38 | Amnesia | hm my scripts I have now and which work are from 1 - 4 |
| 22:01.40 | imaginaryman | t3a what brand graphics card? |
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| 22:01.52 | t3a | ati hd 5xxx |
| 22:01.56 | Amnesia | and the link update-rc.d make named S02bitlbee worked fine |
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| 22:02.15 | imaginaryman | hold on i have a link for you |
| 22:02.31 | ksx4system | Bushmills: updates are not problem. it's probably something wrong with mararc but i don't understand what |
| 22:03.07 | Bushmills | not sure how that relates to your previous question, but, ok. |
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| 22:03.51 | imaginaryman | t3a: http://www.debianadmin.com/how-to-install-ati-fglrx-drivers-in-debian-lenny.html |
| 22:04.01 | Amnesia | abrotman: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 Oct 24 23:48 S02bitlbee -> ../init.d/bitlbee lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 Oct 25 00:03 S02bitlbee2 -> ../init.d/bitlbee2 |
| 22:04.01 | imaginaryman | that worked for me |
| 22:04.02 | ImaLamer | sorry to return, can i create a partition of the debian CD and have GRUB detect and start that? |
| 22:04.08 | t3a | ty |
| 22:04.10 | Amnesia | bitlbee2 worked fine, but bitlbee doesn't |
| 22:04.35 | ImaLamer | not an ISO, but the files with the boot information on the partition? |
| 22:04.36 | abrotman | huh? |
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| 22:04.51 | Amnesia | S02bitlbee = made manually |
| 22:04.58 | Amnesia | and S02bitlbee2 is made by update-rc.d |
| 22:05.04 | Amnesia | and S02bitlbee2 works.. |
| 22:05.15 | abrotman | they're the same .. maybe 2 isn't your default run level ? |
| 22:05.20 | ksx4system | Bushmills: its fully related. I wrote small script (similar to this in here http://www.maradns.org/tutorial/dnsslave.html the last one) and imported zones successfully (csv1 not csv2 but I don't care) |
| 22:05.20 | Amnesia | it is |
| 22:05.25 | jordanm | t3a: you need the drivers from backports |
| 22:05.31 | jordanm | imaginaryman: that will not work for him |
| 22:05.40 | Amnesia | and tep I know they are the same, that's why I don't get it:S |
| 22:05.46 | Amnesia | tep = yep* |
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| 22:06.02 | Amnesia | perhaps some bug in squeeze? |
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| 22:07.40 | imaginaryman | jordanm: How come? |
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| 22:09.21 | jordanm | imaginaryman: the version of fglrx in lenny does not support that card. see fglrx page on the debian wiki |
| 22:09.31 | Amnesia | any other ideas abrotman ? |
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| 22:09.44 | abrotman | Amnesia: use update-rc.d ? |
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| 22:09.54 | Amnesia | well that works yes.. |
| 22:10.06 | Amnesia | but I don't get why manually doing it doesn work:S |
| 22:10.53 | t3a | imaginaryman, it told me E: Couldn't find package fglrx-driver |
| 22:11.59 | Bushmills | ksx4system, maradns needs to be restarted after zone file updates |
| 22:12.29 | imaginaryman | t3a: check out http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/Pages/index.aspx |
| 22:12.35 | Amnesia | meh w/e:S |
| 22:12.54 | t3a | lol page closed |
| 22:12.59 | imaginaryman | t3a: jordanm said that was to install an older version Im sorry I cant help you more |
| 22:13.02 | jordanm | imaginaryman: don't recommend that to people |
| 22:13.21 | jordanm | t3a: the drivers on that page are not supported here |
| 22:13.37 | jordanm | t3a: follow the instructions on the debian wiki, but use the drivers from lenny-backports |
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| 22:13.43 | jordanm | !tell t3a about fglrx |
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| 22:14.46 | t3a | oh, so do you know what drivers i need to configure x drivers |
| 22:15.11 | imaginaryman | listen to jordanm |
| 22:15.14 | jordanm | t3a: i just told you... |
| 22:15.23 | jordanm | and had dpkg pm you a link |
| 22:15.24 | t3a | ya just saw that |
| 22:15.35 | jordanm | ,versions fglrx-driver |
| 22:15.37 | judd | Package fglrx-driver on i386 -- etch/non-free: 8.28.8-4; etch-backports/non-free: 8.47.3-3~bpo40+1; lenny/non-free: 1:8-12-4; lenny-backports/non-free: 1:10-4-1~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 1:10-7-1; sid/non-free: 1:10-9-3 |
| 22:15.40 | imaginaryman | Sorry if I confused things |
| 22:15.54 | jordanm | t3a: you need the 1:10-4-1~bpo50+1 version from backports |
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| 22:17.31 | t3a | lolwhat |
| 22:17.44 | t3a | <t3a> test |
| 22:17.50 | t3a | <dpkg> Test failed. |
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| 22:19.51 | dwq | There's an onscreen keyboard program that doesn't look like a keyboard but a bunch of letter and you type stuff by moving the mouse pointer, anyone know what I'm talking about? |
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| 22:21.12 | f8l | dwq: Dasher? |
| 22:21.41 | dwq | f8l: yes! thanks! |
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| 22:26.47 | ksx4system | Bushmills: of course I know about it! and restarted it few times. of course this buggy crap does not work :( |
| 22:28.39 | Bushmills | i think i can't help you. you haven't even disclosed what the problem you have actually is. |
| 22:28.48 | nsadmin | "does not work" tells nothing. be specific, or what;s the point in bringing it up except to purposely make people feel bad? you're not doing that are you? |
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| 22:33.06 | strav | he. I came few hours ago with a problem on mounting a fat32 driver while giving it user write access. I tried nearly every possible mount options available for vfat and then I did a little test on my ubuntu box: sudo mout -t vfat -o rw,uid=myUser /dev/sda1 /mnt and then touch /mnt/test works. Now that same command on my debian fails (it's a barebone lenny on a guruplug) with permission denied. Any suggestions? |
| 22:33.29 | strav | fat32 drive... sorry. |
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| 22:34.05 | abrotman | what is the error ? |
| 22:34.24 | jordanm | looks like its permission denied |
| 22:34.28 | strav | abrotman: on debian: simply a permission denied. |
| 22:34.55 | abrotman | do you have any perms on /mnt/ ? probably not |
| 22:35.08 | strav | Now I'm trying to compare the difference between my user's groups in ubuntu and debian. No results so far. |
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| 22:36.01 | strav | abrotman: actually not, but I did tried to make a dir in /media and changing it's ownership to my current user, that didn't helped either. |
| 22:36.48 | nsadmin | strav which command fails? the touch? the mount? |
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| 22:36.58 | Bushmills | or the sudo :) |
| 22:37.15 | nsadmin | hmm, good point... |
| 22:37.18 | strav | nsadmin: the touch. |
| 22:37.30 | strav | Bushmills: I'm in the sudoers, don't worry about that. |
| 22:37.48 | nsadmin | run mount with no args and look at the line for the mounted fs |
| 22:37.53 | strav | Bushmills: and besides, you don't get a permission denied with you're not in the sudoers. |
| 22:38.56 | Bushmills | strav, you do when the command doesn't run with the required permissions, as result of executing it as different user |
| 22:39.17 | strav | nsadmin: I'm sorry, I'm not certain of what you mean by "look at the line for the mounted fs" ... |
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| 22:39.38 | nsadmin | did you run mount with no args?' |
| 22:40.05 | strav | nsadmin: if you wish, I can. gimme a sec. |
| 22:40.39 | strav | nsadmin: done. And then? |
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| 22:40.59 | nsadmin | you should have gotten several lines of output... did that happen? |
| 22:41.01 | ksx4system | Bushmills: ok, again. main (primary or whatever you name it) DNS server works. |
| 22:41.19 | dancios | Hello is there any library tht can write rtsp stream on hdd ? |
| 22:41.30 | nsadmin | primary is relative to a specific domain |
| 22:41.34 | strav | nsadmin: sudo touch -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt gave no output (and I never seen any) |
| 22:41.44 | nsadmin | did you run mount with no args?' |
| 22:41.56 | ksx4system | Bushmills: script copying zones works. zones are copied (csv 1 not csv2 but f$%& that). but secondary server (it's maradns too, same version) DOES NOT work. |
| 22:42.13 | strav | nsadmin: oh you mean: simply mount |
| 22:42.33 | nsadmin | give that straw a cigar! |
| 22:42.46 | strav | nsadmin: sorry, I though you wished me to exclude the -o part. |
| 22:42.57 | nsadmin | no, just no args |
| 22:43.06 | nsadmin | so... did that? |
| 22:43.09 | Bushmills | ksx4system, so, you say, it is broken? |
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| 22:43.30 | ksx4system | Bushmills: yes. but only secondary is broken. |
| 22:43.39 | ksx4system | Bushmills: it *never* worked. |
| 22:43.43 | Bushmills | it may help to find out what causes it to be broken |
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| 22:43.59 | strav | nsadmin: yep I'm getting several lines. It seems to be listing the previous mount points I tried for this device. |
| 22:44.00 | nsadmin | thinks there's a communication problem |
| 22:44.20 | nsadmin | oh, so it's mounted several times? |
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| 22:45.08 | strav | nsadmin: it is, I didn't noticed it was automounted in /media/usb0 |
| 22:45.31 | ksx4system | Bushmills: maradns (secondary/slave/whatever) starts without showing *any* error, primary too. I can /msg you how looks mararc and db.domain.name file(s) |
| 22:46.04 | nsadmin | ok, what you might do is get a list of mount points this one device is mounted on, and feed each mount point to umount |
| 22:46.06 | Bushmills | ksx4system, how do you know that it doesn't work? |
| 22:46.20 | strav | nsadmin: I'm doing atm. |
| 22:46.48 | nsadmin | be careful, only mount points for that device. |
| 22:47.05 | nsadmin | umounting other things could cause other problems |
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| 22:47.49 | strav | nsadmin: there's only one mount point remaining for this device and when trying to umount, it states the device is busy. |
| 22:48.35 | strav | nsadmin: actully, forget about it. There was some deamon trying to access, killed and done. |
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| 22:48.42 | ksx4system | Bushmills: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Z1XaQk0N |
| 22:48.56 | doublehp | how to declare in /etc/network/interfaces that an iface should autoconfigure ipv6 ? |
| 22:49.21 | CissWit | inet6 |
| 22:49.23 | strav | nsadmin: now the device does not appear in the mount list. I should attempt another mount? |
| 22:49.35 | Bushmills | ksx4system, status: REFUSED . set up ACLs to allow you querying the server |
| 22:49.42 | CissWit | doublehp: inet6 instead of inet. |
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| 22:50.18 | CissWit | btw : man interfaces gives answer. |
| 22:50.33 | doublehp | CissWit: which method ? |
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| 22:50.39 | kexman_ | hey guys |
| 22:50.45 | strav | nsadmin: THANKS. |
| 22:50.56 | kexman_ | sorry to interrupt but could anyone tell me how to install latest wine 1.3.5 ? |
| 22:51.05 | kexman_ | http://packages.qa.debian.org/w/wine.html |
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| 22:51.27 | CissWit | doublehp: look at the INET6 ADDRESS FAMILY section in man interfaces. |
| 22:51.43 | doublehp | CissWit: i am asking because i already did not find |
| 22:51.48 | strav | nsadmin: mounting it with the usual options did the trick. Now I only have to remove those udev rules that automatically mount the drive in /media/usb0 and such. |
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| 22:52.10 | CissWit | doublehp: then i don't understand your problem |
| 22:52.29 | nsadmin | well we had to discover the problem... which turned out to be the multiple mounts |
| 22:53.27 | doublehp | CissWit: i need to declare a section in the conf file, to ask for autoconfiguration; it's the default behaviour when nothing is declared, except i need to declare it in the conf to be able to "add" post-up lines; can"t add lines to non existing section. dhcp Method is not valid for ine6 |
| 22:53.54 | doublehp | CissWit: i need to explicitely state, declare, the same behaviour as when nothing is declared |
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| 22:54.25 | ksx4system | Bushmills: how exactly I should do it? (there's already line in mararc: recursive_acl = "91.212.182.194") |
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| 22:54.34 | doublehp | call it dhcp, RA, zerconf ... as you cant, it's not in the manpage |
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| 22:55.12 | strav | nsadmin: frankly, thanks for that. I was about to write a brute force script to test every possible args combination mount has. |
| 22:55.13 | Bushmills | recursive is of no interest to you, as you intend you slave to be authoritative |
| 22:56.15 | strav | cya all. |
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| 22:57.58 | CissWit | doublehp: hum i don't know, i only used to configure static ipv6 configuration with the interfaces file |
| 22:58.29 | doublehp | CissWit: I already have static IPs provided by my RA server |
| 22:58.34 | doublehp | i just want to add aliases |
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| 22:59.05 | doublehp | i just can not use the static or manual methods |
| 23:00.03 | CissWit | i understand, and i can't help there, i never tried this with ipv6. |
| 23:00.16 | alxc1 | hi, i was wondering if there is a 'conventional' folder in which to place jails? i know it doesn't particualrly matter, just curious, thanks |
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| 23:00.50 | doublehp | CissWit: http://lists.debian.org/debian-ipv6/2005/05/msg00018.html my system must be outdated ... i don't have this ; tried to implement it ... will see after reboot |
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| 23:04.21 | abrotman | netminder: you cannot IRC as root in this channel |
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| 23:06.58 | ksx4system | Bushmills: I have still no idea how to fix it. |
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| 23:10.36 | td123 | http://juliank.wordpress.com/2010/10/22/arch-linux-python-3-and-users |
| 23:10.44 | td123 | so, archlinux sucks now? |
| 23:11.50 | abrotman | td123: wrong channel, thanks |
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| 23:12.07 | Bushmills | ksx4system, as your master allows you to querying it, base the slave config on the master config |
| 23:12.07 | td123 | which channel am I looking for? |
| 23:12.36 | abrotman | td123: this is a support channel for Debian .. that article discusses a problem with Arch Linux .. perhaps try #archlinux |
| 23:12.42 | doublehp | td123: install ressources ALL say the same: before any update, check on forums if it's safe for your machine. |
| 23:13.03 | abrotman | doublehp: that doesn't even make sense |
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| 23:13.16 | td123 | abrotman: ok |
| 23:13.20 | td123 | bye |
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| 23:17.16 | ksx4system | Bushmills: it doesn't work too. fuck maradns -.- |
| 23:18.29 | Bushmills | i doubt the program can be blamed for not configuring it properly |
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| 23:20.25 | Bushmills | btw, bind and similar do have built-in support for updating slaves, through a protocol specifically made for that purpose |
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| 23:20.59 | Bushmills | no scripting, no restarting, implemented by yourself to make that work |
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| 23:21.29 | Bushmills | but they have similar need of configuring properly who may query it |
| 23:21.35 | karsten | I'm getting the "warning, package is from an untrusted source" message in aptitude, just added unstable sources, how do I find source list keys and add appropriate ones via apt-key? |
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| 23:22.11 | karsten | finds the apt-secure manpage... |
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| 23:22.54 | themill | karsten: if you have debian-archive-keyring installed, that should be sufficient. run apt-get update again. |
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| 23:28.05 | abrotman | _____________: knock it off |
| 23:28.44 | karsten | themill: tx |
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| 23:29.20 | darkkrai | how do I install skype on squeeze? |
| 23:29.44 | karsten | themill: Still getting the message. |
| 23:29.48 | karsten | darkkrai: painfully. |
| 23:29.56 | darkkrai | lol |
| 23:29.57 | abrotman | darkkrai: see the skype website |
| 23:30.20 | themill | karsten: is the date right? Do you get an error from apt-get update itself? |
| 23:30.25 | darkkrai | it doesnt connect |
| 23:30.39 | karsten | darkkrai: there's a lib conflict if you're 64 bit, I've got a page with a workaround, if I can find it. |
| 23:30.49 | karsten | themill: within aptitude, interactive. |
| 23:31.03 | darkkrai | im 64 bit :( |
| 23:31.12 | themill | karsten: it'd be easier if there were something to pastebin... |
| 23:31.15 | karsten | themill: $ sudo aptitude update; sudo aptitude install mpg123 |
| 23:31.28 | karsten | themill: ... running that now.... |
| 23:31.42 | karsten | darkkrai: Problem was that there's a lib you have to compile as a workaround, and that breaks for me. |
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| 23:32.20 | karsten | themill: No warning running CLI, so far. |
| 23:32.30 | karsten | themill: But interactive aptitude doesn't like the packages. |
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| 23:32.43 | karsten | Odd... |
| 23:33.06 | darkkrai | karsten, are there any other clients that can connect to skype? |
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| 23:33.58 | abrotman | darkkrai: skype is a closed system .. if you want use skype, you use skype .. if you want help with skype, ask them |
| 23:34.39 | karsten | darkkrai: http://wirejungle.wordpress.com/2010/07/01/skype-on-squeeze-64-bit-workaround/ |
| 23:34.46 | karsten | darkkrai: No, proprietary protocol. |
| 23:35.13 | karsten | darkkrai: Try that. LMK if it works. I get a compile bug with the wrapper, wrong version of libs, haven't followed up on it yet. |
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| 23:38.08 | aleray | hi, python-gtkhtml2 does not seems to be in squeeze any reason for that? can I install it with aptitude? |
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| 23:39.25 | abrotman | aleray: it's been removed you mean ? |
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| 23:39.51 | nsadmin | looks that way |
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| 23:39.55 | abrotman | aleray: wait .. hasn't that gtkhtml2 been deprecated? |
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| 23:40.11 | aleray | abrotman, it seems indeed |
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| 23:40.36 | abrotman | okay .. so why would you want to use it? |
| 23:41.54 | imaginaryman | I cant get permissions on my user account to access my usb devices in VirtualBox |
| 23:42.09 | aleray | abrotman, I wanted to install a gedit plugin that depends on it |
| 23:42.21 | imaginaryman | and related to that I have to run adb as root to access android phones over usb |
| 23:43.01 | imaginaryman | how can I pass usb r/w permissions to my regular account I hate running things as root : / |
| 23:43.12 | nsadmin | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=358621 |
| 23:43.44 | nsadmin | who's your android provider? |
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| 23:48.29 | dclarke | how does one find which package /usr/include/gnu/stubs.h is in ? |
| 23:48.42 | no_maam | dpkg -S /usr/include/gnu/stubs.h |
| 23:48.42 | dpkg | You Fool! /usr/include/gnu/stubs.h is installed! |
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| 23:49.19 | dclarke | /usr/include/gnu/stubs.h:7:27: fatal error: gnu/stubs-32.h: No such file or directory |
| 23:49.30 | dclarke | hrmmm |
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| 23:50.00 | abrotman | !tell dclarke about apt-file |
| 23:50.27 | nsadmin | , file usr/include/gnu/stubs.h |
| 23:50.30 | judd | usr/include/gnu/stubs.h in lenny/i386: libc6-dev: usr/include/gnu/stubs.h |
| 23:50.40 | darkkrai | karsten, that guide worked perfectly, thanks! :D |
| 23:51.03 | dclarke | libc6-dev ? cool |
| 23:51.04 | nsadmin | I'd wonder if you've installed build-essential |
| 23:51.19 | dclarke | I did |
| 23:52.00 | nsadmin | , depends build-essential |
| 23:52.01 | judd | Package build-essential -- depends: libc6-dev | libc-dev, g++ (>= 4:4.3.1), make, dpkg-dev (>= 1.13.5). |
| 23:52.35 | abrotman | dclarke: are you using Debian? which version? |
| 23:53.05 | dclarke | daedalus:~# aptitude search build-essential |
| 23:53.07 | dclarke | i build-essential - Informational list of build-essential pack |
| 23:53.24 | dclarke | daedalus:~# cat /proc/version |
| 23:53.26 | dclarke | Linux version 2.6.26-2-amd64 (Debian 2.6.26-25lenny1) (dannf@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.3 20080704 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-25)) #1 SMP Thu Sep 16 15:56:38 UTC 2010 |
| 23:53.54 | abrotman | dclarke: do you have libc6-dev installed ? |
| 23:54.08 | dclarke | yes |
| 23:54.28 | abrotman | dclarke: so does the file exist? |
| 23:54.32 | dclarke | how do I verify or audit the pkg manifest ? |
| 23:54.39 | abrotman | debsums |
| 23:54.56 | abrotman | oh .. you're looking for the wrong thing |
| 23:55.05 | abrotman | ,file gnu/stubs-32.h --release lenny |
| 23:55.09 | judd | gnu/stubs-32.h in lenny/i386: libc6-dev: usr/include/gnu/stubs-32.h |
| 23:55.16 | abrotman | okay then ... |
| 23:55.17 | dclarke | yeah .. I see the issue now |
| 23:55.36 | dclarke | I need libc6-dev-i386 |
| 23:55.47 | dclarke | /usr/include/gnu/stubs.h:7:27: fatal error: gnu/stubs-32.h: No such file or directory |
| 23:55.55 | dclarke | gnu/stubs-32.h ?? |
| 23:55.58 | dclarke | hrmmm |
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| 23:56.09 | abrotman | dclarke: this is why you should use apt-file on your own computer |
| 23:56.25 | dclarke | apt-file ? |
| 23:56.43 | abrotman | !tell dclarke about apt-file |
| 23:56.45 | abrotman | again ... |
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| 23:57.00 | dclarke | perhaps I need to get up to speed on basic debianisms before trying to bootstrap gcc |
| 23:57.56 | dclarke | ookay .. installing now |
| 23:58.31 | dclarke | this makes life much better .. now to figure out why my ssh sessions keep dropping .. |
| 23:58.33 | nsadmin | why do you need to bootstrap it? |
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| 23:58.45 | dclarke | nsadmin: just 'cause |
| 23:58.53 | dclarke | I want gcc 4.5.1 |
| 23:58.57 | dclarke | :-) |
| 23:59.18 | nsadmin | oh, well in that case, you should be able to do it simply by following the INSTALL instructions |
| 23:59.22 | dclarke | damn ... daedalus:~# apt-file update |
| 23:59.22 | dclarke | Can't get http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/Contents-amd64.gz |
| 23:59.38 | dclarke | nsadmin: uh huh .. its never that easy |
| 23:59.45 | abrotman | dclarke: that's normal |
| 23:59.57 | dclarke | oh .. so try again and agian ? |