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| 00:06.47 | wrksx | /etc/init.d/mysql start |
| 00:06.47 | wrksx | Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed! |
| 00:06.55 | wrksx | how can I know the reason ? |
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| 00:08.03 | dondelelcaro | wrksx: check the logs |
| 00:08.19 | wrksx | ... mysql logs are empty |
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| 00:09.13 | ZitZ | does someone know how to switch to hdmi output from the terminal using nvidia drivers |
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| 00:11.12 | dondelelcaro | ZitZ: using xrandr; it's usually mislabeled as another DVI port |
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| 00:11.39 | ZitZ | I only have the laptop display in xrandr, do I need to add something to xorg.conf? |
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| 00:14.12 | dondelelcaro | ZitZ: if you only have the laptop display, then for whatever reason, the DVI isn't supported. |
| 00:14.20 | dondelelcaro | (or HDMI or whatever it actually is) |
| 00:14.47 | dondelelcaro | or alternatively, that laptop is actually doing the external out using an entirely separate video card (possible, but odd) |
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| 00:15.21 | ZitZ | xrandr -q lists displays right? |
| 00:15.29 | dondelelcaro | ZitZ: just run xrandr |
| 00:15.54 | ZitZ | yeah, same thing, not mention of DVI or HDMI |
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| 00:16.09 | dondelelcaro | ZitZ: so the only output is the laptop's LVDS? |
| 00:16.16 | dondelelcaro | ZitZ: do you have anything in your Xorg.conf? |
| 00:16.31 | ZitZ | I reset it to the default from nvidia-xconfig |
| 00:16.40 | dondelelcaro | nvidia-xconfig is horribly broken |
| 00:16.54 | ZitZ | jeez |
| 00:17.09 | ZitZ | I use the nvidia-installer btw |
| 00:17.13 | dondelelcaro | you shouldn't need any Xorg.conf, and having one means that X assumes you know exactly what you're doing |
| 00:17.38 | dondelelcaro | well, good luck.. |
| 00:17.46 | ZitZ | i tried logging in without one, and the screen wasn't right, and nvidia-settings said I wasn't using the nvidia driver |
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| 00:38.40 | wedge | Does anyone have a good guide to resizing LVM swap partition as recommended by Debian? |
| 00:38.51 | wedge | or is it just umount it, resize, then mount it again? |
| 00:39.43 | koollman | wedge: swapoff, resize, swapon |
| 00:39.55 | wedge | kk |
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| 00:44.01 | wedge | koollman: I actually added 10GB on a virtual machine, how can I add those extra 10GB on a live system? or should i bring it down and resize FS in parted ? |
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| 00:48.20 | oOarthurOo | greets... I'm trying to get the fingerprint reader on my laptop working with gnome. It looks pretty straightforward, install the right packages and it should show up in gnome's about me. But I haven't had such luck yet. |
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| 00:49.56 | oOarthurOo | I've got libfprint installed, the pam module.. control center, obviously. And I've installed the libfprint-demo and it works fine, I can register the finger print, use it in the demo program... I just can't get it integrated with gnome |
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| 00:54.59 | oOarthurOo | gnome has had support for fingerprint reader integration for some time now... so I'm wondering if maybe I forgot to install something when building my minimial gnome install |
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| 01:00.24 | oOarthurOo | Lot of joining and leaving, not much talking. Is the room experiencing problems? |
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| 01:01.03 | dondelelcaro | oOarthurOo: no, there's nothing wrong. |
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| 01:01.24 | stew | oOarthurOo: for something so gnome specific you might have better luck on irc.gnome.org |
| 01:02.13 | oOarthurOo | thx stew ... will do so |
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| 01:03.33 | poppiez | hi, I've set added a new user. it seems like it uses /bin/sh as the shell instead of /bin/bash. my normal user uses /bin/bash by default but the new user doesn't. what do I need to change? |
| 01:03.54 | nollidj | poppiez: do you want to change the new user's shell or change the default shell for future new users? |
| 01:04.04 | gnarface | anyone got any hot tips on configuring touchpads in debian? i've got an old laptop and the touchpad just works like an unaccelerated mouse |
| 01:04.12 | oOarthurOo | as user chsh should do it |
| 01:04.19 | dondelelcaro | poppiez: run chsh; if you add new users using adduser, the default shell is controlled by /etc/adduser.conf |
| 01:04.25 | poppiez | nollidj: I want to change the new user's shell and the default shell as well |
| 01:04.36 | nollidj | well, i guess your questions are answered ;-) |
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| 01:05.04 | poppiez | thanks guys! do I have to add the user again or any way to change the shell for that specific user? |
| 01:05.11 | dondelelcaro | poppiez: you change it with chsh |
| 01:05.30 | nollidj | chsh = change shell |
| 01:05.54 | poppiez | ah, like that. thank you! |
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| 01:07.07 | babilen | oOarthurOo: Read libpam-fprint's README.Debian |
| 01:07.14 | oOarthurOo | Well that's a bit silly. Supposedly empathy is the gnome chat program, but irc.gnome.org isn't an option in the irc dropdown list. :P |
| 01:07.55 | oOarthurOo | babilen: good idea. Thanks for the reminder |
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| 01:10.07 | babilen | oOarthurOo: It does not mention gnome-about-me (no idea how to get that working), but explains that you have to enable the pam module (because it is alpha software) and how to enroll fingers. After you've done that it should work for everyhting that uses PAM for authentication |
| 01:11.57 | allan8904 | hey, i'm running debian lenny. I'm trying to install the library libxpcom.so however I only seem to be able to install libxpcom.so.0d which doesn't satisfy the dependency i need....is there any way just to get libxpcom? |
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| 01:12.46 | babilen | oOarthurOo: ftp://ftp.ccc.de/pub/documentation/Fingerabdruck_Hack/fingerabdruck.mpg?language=en ;) |
| 01:12.48 | oOarthurOo | babilen: yeah... it works now. Thanks for the tip. It looks like the bug where you have to incorrectly scan some times before gnome- screensaver will let you use a password persists |
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| 01:14.22 | babilen | !tell allan8904 -about apt-file |
| 01:15.16 | allan8904 | babilen: thanks, i'll see if it works |
| 01:15.59 | babilen | allan8904: You can also search for files on http://packages.debian.org |
| 01:16.46 | allan8904 | babilen: how do i search for files in there? |
| 01:17.03 | babilen | allan8904: You mean within this channel? |
| 01:17.41 | allan8904 | babilen: nah is in on the debian.org website? is there a file search there? i thought it was just package search |
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| 01:18.02 | babilen | allan8904: Scroll down â Search contents of packages |
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| 01:18.13 | babilen | ,file libxpcom.so |
| 01:18.20 | judd | libxpcom.so in lenny/i386: xulrunner-1.9-dbg: usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9/libxpcom.so; iceape-dev-bin: usr/lib/iceape/libxpcom.so; xulrunner-dev: usr/lib/xulrunner-devel-1.9/sdk/lib/libxpcom.so; iceowl: usr/lib/iceowl/libxpcom.so; xulrunner-1.9: usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9/libxpcom.so; icedove: usr/lib/icedove/libxpcom.so; icedove-dbg: usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/icedove/libxpcom.so |
| 01:18.31 | allan8904 | babilen: cheers |
| 01:19.07 | babilen | allan8904: np, have fun :) |
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| 01:19.22 | allan8904 | judd: hmm i have several of those packages installed...but all i get is libxpcom.so.0d :/ |
| 01:19.37 | babilen | allan8904: judd is a bot :) |
| 01:19.53 | allan8904 | babilen: oh lol :p |
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| 01:20.29 | babilen | xulrunner-1.9 should come with /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9/libxpcom.so |
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| 01:21.04 | allan8904 | babilen: hmm thats what it says but that file doesnt exist :/ |
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| 01:21.26 | babilen | allan8904: Hang on |
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| 01:22.58 | babilen | allan8904: Are you sure? Could you paste the output of "apt-cache policy xulrunner-1.9" and "ls -l /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9/libxpcom.so" to http://paste.debian.net please? |
| 01:23.36 | allan8904 | babilen: i just did an apt-get install --reinstall xulrunner-1.9.1 and its there now. Thanks for your help |
| 01:23.44 | babilen | 1.9.1? |
| 01:24.24 | babilen | ,versions xulrunner-1.9.1 |
| 01:24.26 | judd | Package xulrunner-1.9.1 on i386 -- lenny-backports: 1.9.1.12-2~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.9.1.13-1; sid: 1.9.1.14-1 |
| 01:25.14 | babilen | allan8904: Ah, you've installed the version from backports. Should have mentioned that, because it (most likely) installs the library to a different path |
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| 01:25.26 | allan8904 | babilen: oh sorry i should have meantioned i'm running backports |
| 01:25.30 | babilen | anyway, should be fine now :) |
| 01:25.47 | allan8904 | babilen: thanks :) |
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| 01:25.47 | babilen | or? |
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| 01:27.06 | nsadmin | no thanks? |
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| 01:27.27 | babilen | nsadmin: ⦠"should be fine now, or?" ;) |
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| 01:27.35 | nsadmin | not? |
| 01:27.47 | babilen | or what? |
| 01:28.09 | nsadmin | having elements of nonfineness? |
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| 01:29.06 | nsadmin | so he didn't paste that bin... |
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| 01:30.35 | allan8904 | nsadmin: oh did you want me to paste that file? |
| 01:31.32 | nsadmin | well he did... but if you're doing ok it's probably unnecessary... if you do, maybe someone can say what might happen in the future (as opposed to things that can't happen) |
| 01:32.07 | allan8904 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:32.50 | babilen | allan8904: yeah |
| 01:33.16 | allan8904 | babilen: cool, well thanks for your help |
| 01:33.31 | babilen | allan8904: Might I inquire what you need that particular library for? (typically pulled in by dependencies) |
| 01:34.39 | allan8904 | babilen: when i launch firefox if i run the js console it was complaining that it was unable to find libxpcom.so...everything seemed to be working fine but just out of curiosity i thought i'd just stop it from complaining |
| 01:34.46 | allan8904 | *iceweasel...same thing |
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| 01:36.38 | karsten | What's the story with kqemu -- no longer supported - has it been rolled into qemu or just died? |
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| 01:38.28 | nsadmin | maybe not precisely the same... if it's iceweasel and the dep wasn't pulled in, that would be a reportable bug... if it's firefox that's not installed thru apt/dpkg and coming from the debian mirrors, wouldn't be a bug unless also reproducable in iceweasel |
| 01:38.33 | babilen | !dbugs 575443 |
| 01:38.35 | calum | Hi, I cannot seem to remove grub from Debian. I use grub from Ubuntu to boot between Debian, Windows 7 and Ubuntu. How can I get rid of the Debian grub? Removing it from Synaptic didn't work! |
| 01:38.37 | dpkg | #575443:W[qemu] no longer supports/documents the kernel kqemu module (wontfix); Thu, 25 Mar 2010 19:48:01 UTC [573451 576797] |
| 01:38.47 | babilen | karsten: ^^^^ |
| 01:39.31 | karsten | babilen: thanks. |
| 01:39.54 | karsten | I like using it for a quick check of bootable systems. What's a decent alternative? VirtualBox or something like? |
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| 01:41.01 | allan8904 | nsadmin: oh ok, well its apt-get iceweasel....i'm due for a format soon so i'll keep an eye on it when i install it and see the result |
| 01:41.05 | karsten | Funny -- have an issue with a Dell box. They support RHEL, we run CentOS, but their live support disk is Debian-based. (my desktop is debian as well, in case anyone's keeping score). |
| 01:41.17 | nsadmin | due for a format? |
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| 01:43.18 | calum | How do I remove grub from my Debian partition so I can use Ubuntu's grub? Removing from Synaptic PM didn't work.... |
| 01:44.11 | dondelelcaro | calum: what's the purpose? |
| 01:44.16 | karsten | calum: Simply re-doing an "install-grub" should work. |
| 01:44.42 | allan8904 | nsadmin: yeah, my windows partition is going all icky and because its off a recovery CD it wipes the whole drive, so i usually just save my home directory and re install |
| 01:45.42 | calum | I have a triple boot, debian, windows 7 and ubuntu, for some reason I have 3 bootloaders at start, Debians, windows's and Ubuntus, I want to remove the Debian and windows one |
| 01:46.30 | nsadmin | calum: you said earlier that removing the debian one doesn't work |
| 01:46.34 | nsadmin | what does that mean? |
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| 01:46.44 | nevyn | calum: which order do they appear in? |
| 01:46.51 | calum | yeah it didnt from synaptic, it is still there |
| 01:47.12 | nsadmin | so synaptic says it's still there |
| 01:47.27 | calum | it loads Debian's bootloader first, then windows, then Ubuntu's, I only need Ubuntus |
| 01:47.37 | nevyn | no.. you need debian's |
| 01:47.45 | nevyn | otherwise you won't have a bootloader in the mbr |
| 01:48.07 | calum | no because my ubuntu detected all 3 operating systems |
| 01:48.31 | nevyn | yeah but your bios can't load the ubuntu boot loader cause it's in the wrong spot. |
| 01:49.00 | calum | I used to just have Ubuntu loader letting me choose between all 3 until my boot loader screwed up |
| 01:49.11 | nsadmin | you're in a particularly hairy situation supportwise... once the debian boot stuff is removed, that would: (1) end the support from here and (2) possibly make your drive unbootable |
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| 01:50.05 | karsten | And this Dell utility disk is lenny. |
| 01:50.46 | calum | i'm not sure what to do... I don't want to touch my win7 partition which is dev/sda2 but I am fine with changing the others |
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| 01:50.58 | streuner | reminds me on Smallville, why all machines are Dell's in that series? ;-) |
| 01:51.19 | nsadmin | Michael must have bribed Clark |
| 01:51.26 | streuner | hehe |
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| 01:52.11 | calum | this happened because my Ubuntu installtion failed and froze up |
| 01:52.36 | nsadmin | is it still failing and freezing? |
| 01:53.19 | calum | if i install it from my burnt cd which has been verified it freezes and my usb also freezes at the prepare to install ubuntu screen |
| 01:54.35 | calum | when i click forward i wait and it doesnt do anything |
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| 01:56.30 | calum | i guess i should just try re-installing i suppose |
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| 02:32.01 | rue_mohr | is there no package for kompozer? |
| 02:32.38 | leftylink | hey there: got Apache running on Lenny and trying to get things like "require ldap-group" to work (plain old LDAP is working just fine). However, my access is denied, and error log says this: |
| 02:32.38 | leftylink | access to /test/ failed, reason: unknown require directive:"ldap-user leftylink" |
| 02:32.38 | leftylink | any clue what's going on here? |
| 02:32.39 | jpinx-eeepc | ,versions kompozer |
| 02:32.40 | judd | Package kompozer on i386 -- lenny-backports: 1:0.8~b1-2~bpo50+1; sid: 1:0.8~b3.dfsg.1-0.1; squeeze: 1:0.8~b3.dfsg.1-0.1 |
| 02:32.50 | jpinx-eeepc | rue_mohr: ^^^ |
| 02:32.54 | rue_mohr | yea |
| 02:33.22 | rue_mohr | zippo:/files/programming/c/Interstate# cat /etc/debian_version |
| 02:33.22 | rue_mohr | 5.0 |
| 02:33.24 | rue_mohr | whats 5? |
| 02:33.31 | rue_mohr | potato? |
| 02:33.33 | rue_mohr | :) |
| 02:34.24 | jpinx-eeepc | lenny |
| 02:35.35 | jpinx-eeepc | rue_mohr: an out of date lenny too -- you need to bring your system up todate at leaast for security |
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| 02:39.34 | rue_mohr | its not an exposed macine |
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| 02:44.24 | poppiez | is there a nifty apache2 log analyzer with a ncurses interface? |
| 02:44.41 | rue_mohr | how about with a html interface? |
| 02:44.47 | rue_mohr | (webalizer) |
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| 02:45.06 | poppiez | I'd prefer if I could keep it in the console |
| 02:45.57 | rue_mohr | lynx |
| 02:45.59 | rue_mohr | :) |
| 02:46.17 | poppiez | hehe |
| 02:47.05 | rue_mohr | if they have the ascii-art plugin you may have to stand back and squint at the graphs |
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| 02:50.28 | nsadmin | poppiez: a log analyser usually generates files automatically, which you then browse, |
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| 02:51.02 | nsadmin | so, this happens without you having to do anything if you have it set up properly |
| 02:52.07 | nsadmin | and no, usually this setup does not have any kind of ncurses interface; there'll either be a default configuration that works, or you'll have to write one that works in your particular situation |
| 02:52.40 | poppiez | nsadmin: I see. well, I just wanted to get real-time overview of the access log via a ncursus interface to check the load |
| 02:53.36 | nsadmin | you could always tail the log |
| 02:53.40 | rue_mohr | tail -f /var/log... |
| 02:53.58 | rue_mohr | :) |
| 02:54.31 | poppiez | but that just gives me the latest entries. anyway, there must be a lot of apache load tools out there (ncurses or not :)) |
| 02:55.10 | Dewi | poppiez: on most systems, load isn't very directly related to number of hits |
| 02:55.51 | Dewi | (because of caches, scripts, sizes of different resources, etc) |
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| 02:56.37 | Dewi | you're better off looking at 'top' |
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| 02:56.53 | poppiez | have any experience with tools like JMeter? |
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| 02:57.24 | Dewi | looks like a load generator |
| 02:58.45 | poppiez | yeah |
| 02:59.38 | babilen | htop++ |
| 02:59.49 | Dewi | are you trying to measure the number of pages / sec you can serve? |
| 03:00.34 | poppiez | Dewi: yeah |
| 03:00.39 | Dewi | babilen: cool. And I seem to have it already for some reason |
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| 03:00.51 | rue_mohr | so kompozer isn't available for stable... |
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| 03:01.19 | Dewi | rue_mohr: it's in backportsxz |
| 03:01.22 | Dewi | -xz |
| 03:01.35 | Dewi | rue_mohr: see http://backports.debian.org/ |
| 03:01.36 | rue_mohr | apt-get -xz ? |
| 03:01.43 | Dewi | no xz was a typo :) |
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| 03:02.19 | Dewi | rue_mohr: backports is a service providing selected newer software, backported to stable |
| 03:02.20 | rue_mohr | ok, if its garunteed that there is nothing worthwhile in stable, then unstable is the suggested distro? |
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| 03:02.41 | rue_mohr | why isn't stable just brought up to speed with the past 3 years work? |
| 03:02.51 | rue_mohr | hehe I said 'just' |
| 03:03.04 | Dewi | rue_mohr: well no. If something's not in stable, you can use backports, or build the testing package yourself from source |
| 03:03.24 | Dewi | rue_mohr: yeah well it is, but the "just" takes like a year :) |
| 03:03.32 | rue_mohr | instead of updating debian, people are just making work arounds for it being out of date |
| 03:03.58 | rue_mohr | so unstable is the new stable? |
| 03:03.59 | Dewi | rue_mohr: not instead of. Squeeze is getting close to ready |
| 03:04.08 | Dewi | no, testing (squeeze) will be the new stable |
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| 03:04.29 | rue_mohr | stable testing unstable ? |
| 03:04.34 | rue_mohr | so I should go to testing? |
| 03:05.05 | Dewi | if you want. It won't be 100% perfect yet, but it's been frozen for a while so it won't be getting any more huge changes |
| 03:05.26 | rue_mohr | then I dont do a 100% upgrade |
| 03:05.51 | Dewi | testing takes successful stuff from unstable for about a year, then freezes and gets quality control |
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| 03:06.15 | rue_mohr | so stable is always 3 years back |
| 03:06.18 | Dewi | rue_mohr: mixing packages can work, but can also get out of hand. I think building from source is a little more sensible |
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| 03:06.35 | rue_mohr | I'm a pro at borking my system. |
| 03:06.50 | rue_mohr | so far I can always unbork it |
| 03:07.15 | rue_mohr | even when it means copying library binaries from other systems |
| 03:07.22 | Dewi | that's crazy |
| 03:07.50 | rue_mohr | lets say I'm really carefull of libc upgrades since the one that makde e2fs not work |
| 03:08.03 | rue_mohr | ( I lived thru that too) |
| 03:08.04 | Dewi | anyway stable releases every 2 years |
| 03:08.08 | Dewi | or 1.5 if you're lucky |
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| 03:08.19 | Dewi | it's 6 months old when it arrives, because of the QA work done on it |
| 03:08.31 | converge | hi, there isnt mysql workbench package for squeeze? |
| 03:09.04 | Dewi | rue_mohr: if that seems slow, there's always ubuntu which does it 3 times faster |
| 03:09.09 | rue_mohr | hmm 31 packages between me and kompozer eh? |
| 03:09.16 | Dewi | (number "3" taken from thin air) |
| 03:09.22 | Dewi | rue_mohr: why aren't you using the backport? |
| 03:09.32 | rue_mohr | I installed this back in 2000, and I'm not about to reinstall it now |
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| 03:11.51 | rue_mohr | oo this is an interesting thread to be pulling |
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| 03:13.30 | rue_mohr | watches it cascade into everything on the system |
| 03:13.57 | Dewi | rue_mohr: that's what I meant by "mixing releases can get out of hand" :P |
| 03:14.17 | rue_mohr | I can do this... |
| 03:14.46 | rue_mohr | just cause I'm a guy who casually avoids upgrades dosn't mean they dont happen eventually |
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| 03:16.38 | rue_mohr | curses and stares at the dependency lockup |
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| 03:23.43 | gnarface | i need advice on how to probe my touchpad for features |
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| 03:23.52 | gnarface | how can i figure out what features it has? |
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| 03:31.28 | maximi89 | does it is probably a laptop shutdown due to hdd overheating? |
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| 03:32.16 | pierrep | hi |
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| 03:32.51 | pierrep | i am in squeeze and latest upgrade failed for google-chrome-unstable 8.0.552.0-r62249 |
| 03:33.11 | gnarface | does anyone use e17? |
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| 03:33.38 | peterrooney | gnarface: e16 for me |
| 03:33.44 | peterrooney | !anyone |
| 03:33.44 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 03:33.49 | gnarface | yea yea i know |
| 03:33.57 | gnarface | i use e16 still too |
| 03:34.07 | gnarface | primarily for the multi-display support |
| 03:34.19 | peterrooney | ,versions e17 |
| 03:34.21 | judd | Package e17 on i386 -- sid: 0.16.999.49898-1 |
| 03:34.21 | gnarface | i was wondering if e17 has decent muti-display support yet |
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| 03:35.12 | gnarface | i just tried and failed to get the latest sid e17 to output on dual displays (my laptop connected to the projector) |
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| 03:35.32 | gnarface | its not working but i'm not sure exactly whether the window manager is the problem or not |
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| 03:40.54 | JohnTeddy | Does Debian have network manager for gnome like Ubuntu does? |
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| 03:41.01 | WBC | yes |
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| 03:56.53 | Sort_-R | I'd like to automate (without browser) a web authentication (not ssl one) and a several post to enable/disable dyndns host. Some tools help to do this (except tcpdump, wireshark...) ? It's for the "offline hostname" switch to " Host with IP address" part and the opposite. |
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| 03:59.23 | gnarface | Sort_-R: you could even do that in javascript, in theory |
| 04:02.21 | nsadmin | Sort_-R: sounds like you know exactly what you want. what actions have you taken so far? |
| 04:02.41 | Sort_-R | gnarface: Humm, I was thinking of something much easier, just repeating some http requests in an order and time, won't work ? |
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| 04:03.43 | Sort_-R | nsadmin: none. I do it manually with my browser. |
| 04:03.51 | nsadmin | probably easier to do the whole enabling and the whole disabling on server side |
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| 04:04.19 | nsadmin | do you control the server? |
| 04:05.05 | Sort_-R | I control my host not dyndns config www server. |
| 04:05.41 | nsadmin | what's the goal of being able to turn it off? |
| 04:06.52 | gnarface | Sort_-R: just repeating some http requests in an order and time WILL work. that's what javascript is FOR |
| 04:07.19 | gnarface | Sort_-R: you can make it as hard as you want |
| 04:07.41 | Sort_-R | Integrate it in shutdown scripts. So the host is on its own. If I turn it on at boot. Turn it of to avoid other (wrong) host connexion or host timeout. |
| 04:08.05 | Sort_-R | goal ^ |
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| 04:09.45 | gnarface | Sort_-R: you could do it with netcat and some bash scripts if you really wanted to |
| 04:10.59 | Sort_-R | no specific tool to point me to ? |
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| 04:12.46 | Sort_-R | Hem, I mean command line tool of course. |
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| 04:12.58 | gnarface | Sort_-R: what do you want, a click tracker? |
| 04:13.08 | nsadmin | you'd have to write it |
| 04:13.18 | damp | no |
| 04:13.24 | Sort_-R | Eh, a repeater yes. |
| 04:13.28 | gnarface | Sort_-R: you |
| 04:14.12 | Sort_-R | I didn't know I was. Thanks. :p |
| 04:14.16 | gnarface | Sort_-R: it's not a very long script to write |
| 04:15.12 | Sort_-R | java-script? I dunno |
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| 04:15.49 | gnarface | Sort_-R: do you know about curl? |
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| 04:16.04 | Sort_-R | no |
| 04:16.15 | gnarface | the cli tool you're looking for is called curl |
| 04:16.51 | Sort_-R | nice, thanks gnarface. |
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| 04:33.09 | Nai-ux | im trying to apt-cache search for olvwm and it shows on lenny with the source "deb http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free" but on my squeeze system the package does not show with the apt source "deb http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free" suggestions? |
| 04:34.09 | peterrooney | ,versions olvwm |
| 04:34.10 | judd | Package olvwm on i386 -- etch: 4.4.3.2p1.4-21.1; lenny: 4.4.3.2p1.4-23; sid: 4.4.3.2p1.4-25; squeeze: 4.4.3.2p1.4-25 |
| 04:34.37 | Nai-ux | is my source line incorrect for squeeze? |
| 04:34.51 | nsadmin | yes, |
| 04:34.58 | nsadmin | it should say squeeze not lenny |
| 04:35.31 | nsadmin | wait, I see... |
| 04:35.46 | Nai-ux | oki. squeeze was the only word i changed. and i ran apt-get update |
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| 04:36.15 | nsadmin | apt-get doesn't have the dep smarts like aptitude does |
| 04:39.02 | nsadmin | try aptitude install olvwm |
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| 04:39.44 | Nai-ux | not found with aptitude, apt-get install or apt-cache search |
| 04:40.12 | nsadmin | show the aptitude output (with the command line you used) in a pastebin |
| 04:40.32 | Nai-ux | ok, moment |
| 04:40.34 | nsadmin | maybe it's not on that mirror |
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| 04:41.01 | Nai-ux | i commented out lines in my lenny system one by one and ran apt-get update, then did a search, it was on that mirror for lenny |
| 04:41.21 | excision_ | I am trying to change my ssh port from 22 to 443; |
| 04:41.23 | nsadmin | but you don't run lenny... or do you? |
| 04:41.35 | excision_ | I have changed the sshd_conf |
| 04:41.42 | Nai-ux | lenny system can see olvwm , but squeeze system can not (one we are troubleshooting) |
| 04:42.08 | nsadmin | do they both use the same mirror? |
| 04:42.36 | nsadmin | excision_, has the sshd reread the config file and restarted? |
| 04:43.00 | excision_ | yes. |
| 04:43.21 | excision_ | I did /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 04:43.22 | nsadmin | server logs could say why |
| 04:43.31 | excision_ | and it gave back no error. |
| 04:43.51 | nsadmin | server logs could say why |
| 04:43.54 | excision_ | when I try to connect, the script just hangs. |
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| 04:45.22 | Nai-ux | nsadmin: yes as with my first post they are using the same mirror, here is pastebin of aptitude on squeeze, may be typos as typed manually into pastebin http://pastebin.ca/1973396 |
| 04:46.31 | nsadmin | as I review the pastebin, try ftp.us.debian.org |
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| 04:48.28 | Nai-ux | excision_: did you try to connect manually with ssh command using -vv for verbose messages? |
| 04:49.08 | nsadmin | good suggestion :) |
| 04:49.15 | Nai-ux | wondering if your firewall was configured to allow 22 and not 443, or if 443 is already in use by https or something |
| 04:49.37 | Nai-ux | can check with # netstat -an |grep LISTEN |grep -v ING |
| 04:49.41 | nsadmin | I think he's thinking the opposite, reason he's trying |
| 04:50.09 | Nai-ux | nsadmin: i put in us.debian and no changes, moment and i'll paste the sources.list in a pastebin |
| 04:50.31 | nsadmin | sounds good |
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| 04:51.57 | Nai-ux | something like that, http://pastebin.ca/1973398 |
| 04:53.36 | Nai-ux | could be wrong as I still don't really understand how it works |
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| 04:54.41 | excision | I got it working. |
| 04:54.47 | excision | I made a stupid mistake. |
| 04:54.48 | Nai-ux | congrats, what was it? |
| 04:54.59 | excision | I forgot to forward port 443 on my router lol |
| 04:55.11 | Nai-ux | :) |
| 04:55.38 | excision | I'll be pretty excited if this works. |
| 04:55.53 | excision | My whole reason is that port 22 is blocked on my school's proxy. |
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| 04:59.17 | peterrooney | excision: and port 442 is not? |
| 04:59.21 | peterrooney | s/2/3 |
| 04:59.30 | peterrooney | s/3/3\// |
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| 05:00.07 | Nai-ux | do i need testing main contrib non-free (for squeeze) or is squeeze main contrib non-free ok? |
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| 05:01.02 | rww | Nai-ux: when squeeze becomes stable, do you want to stay on it, or move to the new testing? |
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| 05:01.44 | Nai-ux | rww: i don't know, only running squeeze because it is a custom build to support netbook hardware, at the moment there is no occurance of "testing" in the sources.list |
| 05:02.02 | Nai-ux | i'm just missing package olvwm and was wondering why lenny can see it on the same repo |
| 05:02.14 | jordanm | putting "testing" or "stable" in sources.list is not recommended |
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| 05:03.41 | Nai-ux | ok thx jordanm |
| 05:04.36 | Internat | hi guys.. this is definately a n00b question.. i deleted some files, that apaprently are still being held open by an application.. is there anyway to read them back? :D |
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| 05:05.42 | Nai-ux | Internat: there is, i forgot the command, i'll search for it |
| 05:05.42 | rww | Internat: http://www.linux.com/archive/feature/58142 |
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| 05:06.27 | rww | it's a little involved, but basically get the file descriptor with lsof, then get to the file using /proc |
| 05:06.32 | Nai-ux | oh cool, lsof can do it |
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| 05:07.06 | excision | port 443 shouldn't be blocled on the proxy because you can visit secure websites. |
| 05:08.36 | Nai-ux | excision: if the proxy does happen to filter by data type, you can try tunnel through https http://dag.wieers.com/howto/ssh-http-tunneling/ but see if your method works first it probably will |
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| 05:19.17 | Nai-ux | how might i find out which repository a package is on? i have added many sources to the sources.list but still no results on the search after apt-get update |
| 05:19.41 | jordanm | Nai-ux: many sources? |
| 05:19.50 | jordanm | what sources? |
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| 05:20.13 | Nai-ux | ones that don't contain what i need... |
| 05:20.19 | Nai-ux | for squeeze |
| 05:20.52 | jordanm | Nai-ux: and squeeze is what you are running? |
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| 05:21.10 | Nai-ux | on that system yes |
| 05:21.36 | Nai-ux | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/olvwm |
| 05:22.02 | Nai-ux | hm |
| 05:22.04 | jordanm | ,versions olvwm |
| 05:22.05 | judd | Package olvwm on i386 -- etch: 4.4.3.2p1.4-21.1; lenny: 4.4.3.2p1.4-23; sid: 4.4.3.2p1.4-25; squeeze: 4.4.3.2p1.4-25 |
| 05:22.13 | jordanm | Nai-ux: pastebin "apt-cache policy" |
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| 05:25.30 | jordanm | !why is olvwm not in testing |
| 05:25.30 | dpkg | olvwm is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=olvwm |
| 05:25.51 | Nai-ux | Oo |
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| 05:26.38 | Nai-ux | waiting on another update command to finish |
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| 05:28.06 | Nai-ux | jordanm: here is apt-cache policy, its a bit messy at the moment http://pastebin.ca/1973404 |
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| 05:28.55 | jordanm | Nai-ux: that's normal |
| 05:29.02 | Nai-ux | also tried using only the source mentioned in http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/i386/olvwm/download |
| 05:30.10 | jordanm | Nai-ux: I am not sure what is going on with that package |
| 05:30.32 | jordanm | it shows it as "not a real package", which is typically the case when another package Provides: it, but that is not the case here |
| 05:30.46 | jordanm | and I can see the the source package "xview" should build that binary package |
| 05:31.00 | Nai-ux | i searched for xview and 4 packages came up gpxviewer, rss-glx, sciplot1, xloadimage, |
| 05:31.13 | Nai-ux | i might just install those and see if that grabs it |
| 05:31.29 | jordanm | Nai-ux: xview source package should produce: Binary: xviewg, xviewg-dev, xview-clients, xview-examples, olwm, olvwm |
| 05:31.47 | jordanm | Nai-ux: apt-get showsrc olvwm |
| 05:32.04 | Nai-ux | hm thanks i'l try |
| 05:32.29 | Nai-ux | apt-cache showsrc olvwm works |
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| 05:34.46 | Nai-ux | it says xview but that is not available either |
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| 05:35.25 | Nai-ux | xviewg and others are available on lenny but on squeeze it reports what seem to be unrelated packages |
| 05:37.12 | Nai-ux | i'll get it off the website for now, but perhaps not added to a repo yet |
| 05:37.54 | Nai-ux | jordanm: thanks for ur help, showsrc is cool |
| 05:39.20 | arvind_khadri | hi, can someone please seed, I am getting only one seed for downloading Debian stable |
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| 05:41.04 | Nai-ux | hm my laptop reports amd64 that might be why |
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| 05:42.02 | K0JIbKA | Hi all! |
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| 05:42.47 | Nai-ux | arvind_khadri: is the netinst (150mb) from HTTP:// not fast enough? |
| 05:43.31 | arvind_khadri | Nai-ux, but it would require bandwidth again right?? |
| 05:44.33 | Nai-ux | arvind_khadri: yes downloading new file requires bandwidth. i always get the small install .iso file and then "apt-get install xorg" to bring it up to a workstation configuration |
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| 05:45.25 | Nai-ux | unless it doesn't require X then almost good to go |
| 05:45.41 | arvind_khadri | Nai-ux, ohh ok, getting seeders now :) |
| 05:46.18 | arvind_khadri | Nai-ux, hey btw, any news on when the release is gonna happen? |
| 05:46.28 | Nai-ux | arvind_khadri: i am not sure, i live under a rock most of the time |
| 05:46.48 | Nai-ux | and come out when repositories get taken offline due to age |
| 05:47.02 | peterrooney | !wir, siyh |
| 05:47.16 | peterrooney | well that didn't work. |
| 05:47.38 | arvind_khadri | :O |
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| 05:47.55 | K0JIbKA | there is external HDD with FAT32 filesystem on it used as a backup and garbage storage. Question is how to make disk space optimization and defragmentation of the same using comman line in Debian Lenny? |
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| 06:13.57 | gnarface | K0JIbKA: read the man page for fsck.msdos or fsck.vfat |
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| 06:14.05 | cloudy_nz | hi debian people, can anyone tell me some good network and server admin tools? |
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| 06:14.14 | cloudy_nz | <--- networking dummy |
| 06:14.20 | gnarface | cloudy_nz: ssh |
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| 06:14.55 | cloudy_nz | gnarface, do you ever use GUI admin stuff? |
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| 06:17.53 | gnarface | cloudy_nz: no, it is horrible. |
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| 06:18.14 | gnarface | cloudy_nz: gui admin stuff is horrible |
| 06:18.43 | cloudy_nz | ah ok |
| 06:18.50 | cloudy_nz | what's a good one for monitoring traffic? |
| 06:19.05 | arvind_khadri | cloudy_nz, for monitoring purposes use nagios, its good. You can use puppet to have a config management system |
| 06:19.23 | cloudy_nz | goes to read about nagios & puppet |
| 06:19.34 | arvind_khadri | cloudy_nz, traffic as in packet ? or site traffic? |
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| 06:20.18 | cloudy_nz | arvind_khadri, er both...packets for network & site traffic for web admin |
| 06:20.57 | cloudy_nz | I have a python admin job interview in 2 days <:-S |
| 06:21.13 | arvind_khadri | nagios has lots of plugins and you can write few yourself if you feel the need. It mainly helps in checking the drive space... |
| 06:21.22 | gnarface | mrtg? |
| 06:21.52 | arvind_khadri | cloudy_nz, for packets iptraff .. |
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| 06:22.22 | arvind_khadri | !tell cloudy_nz about iptraf |
| 06:22.57 | arvind_khadri | !tell cloudy_nz about nagios |
| 06:23.28 | cloudy_nz | arvind_khadri, thanks |
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| 06:23.58 | arvind_khadri | np, :) cloudy_nz all the best for the interview |
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| 06:57.38 | bla | How can I define a bridge in /etc/network/interfaces without adding any physical interfaces to it? |
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| 06:58.31 | bla | bridge_ports <bridge name> generally works but it's stupid and causes an error message. |
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| 07:00.21 | Good_D_ay | Hello friends, I am using embedded debian for one of our product. I want to know about user space processes. Is it there that one user space application in case halted can cause system to halt ? Do one user space process can access other user space process undesiredly ? |
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| 07:08.32 | bla | Good_D_ay, no by design |
| 07:08.33 | bla | if they can - it's a bug. |
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| 07:08.34 | bla | Debian is using Linux kernel (most of the time) so at that level it works exactly like Linux. |
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| 07:09.03 | frikinz | kill -9 1 might confuse the system still |
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| 07:09.20 | frikinz | worth a try :) |
| 07:09.24 | Good_D_ay | bla: the reason is the system reliability. there are two types of process running - one set safety critical and second set of normal GUI applications. So we want to know if in case GUI applicaiton halt or does some wired behaviour. Safety critical applcation should not suffer. |
| 07:09.54 | Good_D_ay | I know about giving priority to the processes using nice but any other suggestions |
| 07:10.28 | bla | Good_D_ay, as long as the problem is not at the kernel level (think: mistake in graphic driver) the processes should not have any impact on each other. You should also think about limiting resources for GUI programs so they won't lock taking 99% of CPU. |
| 07:10.44 | bla | You can AFAIK limit a CPU time a process can take |
| 07:11.27 | bla | And of course memory. Make sure they can't use up whole 'disc' space (quota). |
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| 07:13.04 | Good_D_ay | bla: Any tips on how to limit the resources for GUI programs ? I google but I didnt get enough on controlling/resource allocation user space process. |
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| 07:13.46 | bla | man limits.conf |
| 07:14.17 | Good_D_ay | bla: thank you.. looking |
| 07:14.18 | bla | Also try man quota for quota. It doesn't matter whether process has a GUI or not. |
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| 07:14.41 | Good_D_ay | bla: okey I got you.. |
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| 07:15.44 | bla | You can impose further limits on processes with selinux or for example grsec kernel patch. But this would rather be impractical on embedded. |
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| 07:32.34 | chouchou | hi all, for RHEL distributions, they have SELInux for thier security enhancement system. what similar does debian has for security ? |
| 07:32.51 | dondelelcaro | chouchou: selinux |
| 07:33.03 | chouchou | is the same thing applied on Debian ? |
| 07:33.13 | dondelelcaro | chouchou: you can if you want; it's not done by default |
| 07:33.37 | dondelelcaro | (the main reason why it's not is because there's not a sane way to edit security policies without being an selinux expert) |
| 07:33.52 | chouchou | ah, ok, apart from selinux, is ther another security implemented by deffault ? |
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| 07:34.17 | dondelelcaro | chouchou: no, but you easily can use grsecurity or whatever else you want |
| 07:34.31 | chouchou | ok, thanks |
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| 07:38.52 | frikinz | there's also smack, tomoyo and since a few days, apparmor. |
| 07:39.02 | frikinz | (2.6.36) |
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| 07:44.11 | wrksx | ;version mariaDB |
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| 07:45.29 | ddalton | i believe im having trouble with the wireless driver for my wifi card in my netbook, not working on wpa2 enterprise |
| 07:45.36 | ddalton | can i back port the module? |
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| 07:51.14 | frikinz | there is compat-wireless that can be applied on top of older kernels. |
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| 07:53.04 | gMinuses | I just installed the debian minimal system, but after logging in, it doesn't seem to register itself with dhcp server, dhclient command is also not available. what should I do? should I install additional packages? |
| 07:54.16 | gnarface | gMinuses: uh yea |
| 07:54.16 | gMinuses | wait a sec.. |
| 07:54.28 | gnarface | gMinuses: a truly minimal debian system is capable of little other than installing more software |
| 07:55.12 | gnarface | gMinuses: you'll want to install the dhclient package (it might be called dhclient, but i don't know) |
| 07:56.10 | jelly-home | ,file dhclient |
| 07:56.12 | judd | dhclient in lenny/i386: dhcp3-client: sbin/dhclient; zsh: usr/share/zsh/functions/Completion/Unix/_dhclient; zsh-beta: usr/share/zsh-beta/functions/Completion/Unix/_dhclient; logcheck-database: etc/logcheck/ignore.d.server/dhclient |
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| 07:56.49 | jelly-home | gMinuses, gnarface: the first result, dhcp3-client, is the package name |
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| 07:59.31 | gMinuses | gnarface: jelly-home: thanks guys. it turns out that the minimal system has dhcp3-client installed, and it's my network settings that went wrong. I installed the system in a virtual machine and forgot to change the network type to bridged. now it works. thanks! |
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| 07:59.52 | jelly-home | \o/ |
| 08:00.18 | superbaloo | hi there ! i got a problem with packaging, i get this error but i can't get why :( : dpkg-source: error: unrecognized file for a v1.0 source package: php4_4.4.4-8+lenny1.diff.gz |
| 08:00.41 | superbaloo | i don't get what's wrong with my file |
| 08:01.22 | gnarface | i don't know crap about package making |
| 08:01.35 | gnarface | you're making a package superbaloo ? |
| 08:01.45 | superbaloo | yep |
| 08:01.53 | superbaloo | or at least i try to :p |
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| 08:02.09 | Octavian | gug |
| 08:02.19 | Octavian | I have an installation related question... |
| 08:02.43 | Octavian | how do I specify partman-reiserfs for use by the installer (expert mode)? |
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| 08:13.21 | nsadmin | reiser, you should look into that... who knows whether Hans is maintaining it from his cell... maybe someone is. at one point, (in reiser3) there were a lot of stories about how all of a sudden the whole filesystem was unrecoverably dead. Having said that, I haven't heard any disaster stories lately, but I thought that was because everyone avoided it like the plague |
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| 08:14.33 | wrksx | hi all, does someone uses http://ourdelta.org/ |
| 08:14.48 | wrksx | they provide repository for mysql and mariadb |
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| 08:15.33 | Octavian | nsadmin: I'm not interested in your opinion |
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| 08:15.51 | nsadmin | what a coincidence, I didn't offer one. |
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| 08:17.32 | nsadmin | but as long as you're not interested in an opinion, I'll state fact: you need a backup strategy and implementation. |
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| 08:19.42 | frikinz | Reiserfs is used on a lot of production servers where I worked and never really had a problem |
| 08:19.52 | frikinz | reiser3 |
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| 08:20.46 | nsadmin | if the dead filesystem stories are accurate, they were lucky, and/or they had a backup plan |
| 08:21.03 | nsadmin | one thing about reiser, it was impressively fast |
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| 08:22.36 | iceroot | is there a chance to see what program is running on a specific port? in this case nmap is telling me port 7777 is open |
| 08:22.53 | iceroot | and /etc/services is not showing 7777 |
| 08:23.09 | Ox1 | iceroot: netstat |
| 08:23.13 | frikinz | iceroot: netstat -pantu or lsof |
| 08:23.13 | nsadmin | probably /etc/services won't show you any port over 1024 |
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| 08:24.10 | Snow | hi guys, what should i do? I get Stale NFS file handle |
| 08:24.13 | Snow | can't remove anything |
| 08:24.16 | Snow | varnishd.pid |
| 08:24.24 | Snow | -????????? ? ? ? ? ? varnishd.pid |
| 08:24.25 | iceroot | Ox1: frikinz nsadmin thx |
| 08:24.29 | Ox1 | reboot |
| 08:24.38 | Ox1 | =/ |
| 08:24.49 | Ox1 | err, bring up NFS again |
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| 08:25.22 | nsadmin | how can "stale nfs file handle" happen? |
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| 08:25.53 | Snow | NFS is online |
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| 08:26.07 | Snow | the file is not via nfs, it is not using nfs |
| 08:26.13 | Snow | it's on cciss disk |
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| 08:26.42 | nsadmin | maybe something is accessing it from the nfs link and has it open |
| 08:27.52 | Snow | no |
| 08:28.04 | nsadmin | is that volume exported? |
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| 08:28.36 | sander^work | How come I have load 129.. its like 1 day ago since the machine was in use. |
| 08:28.54 | sander^work | Something must be bugging. |
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| 08:29.03 | EmleyMoor | sander^work: looked at top? |
| 08:29.09 | nsadmin | that's all we can say too... |
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| 08:29.30 | AlexC_ | morning |
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| 08:29.44 | Ox1 | probably swapping like crazy |
| 08:29.44 | sander^work | EmleyMoor, yes.. 2% cpu usage |
| 08:29.52 | Ox1 | free -m |
| 08:29.59 | Ox1 | and check iotop |
| 08:30.06 | AlexC_ | one of our servers is unable to use 'su - foobar' to switch to another user. I'm simply getting "su: Cannot fork user shell" |
| 08:30.28 | Ox1 | AlexC_: grep foobar /etc/passwd |
| 08:30.35 | nsadmin | AlexC_, why can't it fork? could it be the process table is full? |
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| 08:30.40 | sander^work | 0 swap used. |
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| 08:31.34 | nsadmin | sander^work: watch top for awhile (it's a bit of a resource hog itself, so it will be slow) and see what processes are hogging cpu and ram |
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| 08:32.06 | AlexC_ | Ox1: m4l:x:1001:1001:,,,:/home/m4l:/bin/bash |
| 08:32.14 | AlexC_ | nsadmin: no idea, how do I find this out? |
| 08:32.21 | sander^work | nsadmin, There is no processes doing that.. been looking for some time now. |
| 08:33.01 | sander^work | nsadmin, I had massive load on apache yesturday.. and then I got some kernel Ops'es in /var/log/messages.. and network begun to fail. |
| 08:33.02 | nsadmin | any particular process accumulating more cpu time than the others? |
| 08:33.27 | nsadmin | are you watching the access log? |
| 08:33.36 | AlexC_ | nsadmin: I this to me, or sander^work? |
| 08:34.09 | AlexC_ | ah, wait - 'Cannot execute /bin/bash' |
| 08:34.09 | sander^work | nsadmin, top is using most.. which is 1% cpu. |
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| 08:34.43 | nsadmin | try running /bin/bash in one of your shells |
| 08:35.12 | sander^work | nsadmin, there is no entries in the access log for some time.. I took this machine it out of the load balancer |
| 08:35.16 | nsadmin | sander^work, like I said, top is kinda hoggy... |
| 08:35.17 | sander^work | -it |
| 08:35.31 | sander^work | nsadmin, what does hoggy mean?.. |
| 08:35.33 | AlexC_ | nsadmin: hum, in what wait? Sorry not sure how you mesan |
| 08:35.41 | Snow | no, it is a mount |
| 08:35.47 | Snow | on local disk /nodes/local1 |
| 08:35.57 | Snow | exported is /nodes/local2 |
| 08:35.57 | nsadmin | and it's not also exported? |
| 08:36.12 | Snow | /nodes/local1 is not exported |
| 08:36.21 | nsadmin | if it's not exported, then nfs should have nothing to do with it |
| 08:36.23 | Snow | the varnishd.pid file that I want to remove is on local1 |
| 08:36.33 | Snow | and local1 is not exported. |
| 08:36.37 | Snow | how can force remove this file? |
| 08:36.52 | Snow | http://p.defau.lt/?scxXMOkh2LDyAD_g_YgIYg |
| 08:37.02 | nsadmin | I haven't read man rm lately... you'll have to check on that part |
| 08:37.18 | Snow | rm varnishd.pid |
| 08:37.18 | Snow | rm: cannot remove `varnishd.pid': Stale NFS file handle |
| 08:37.20 | Snow | wiseguy eh |
| 08:37.32 | Snow | rm -f varnishd.pid |
| 08:37.32 | Snow | rm: cannot remove `varnishd.pid': Stale NFS file handle |
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| 08:38.17 | nsadmin | have you mounted any nfs volumes on that machine? have you exported any? |
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| 08:38.49 | nsadmin | if no and no, we're both quite confused... |
| 08:39.17 | Snow | mounted no, exported - yes, but not connected with this one. |
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| 08:39.49 | sander^work | nsadmin, ping: sendmsg: No buffer space available |
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| 08:41.01 | AlexC_ | how can I list all processes for a given user? |
| 08:41.26 | nsadmin | try ps aux | grep ^user |
| 08:42.11 | AlexC_ | a ha, now I know why I can't su. I have a limit of 35 processes per users in this group |
| 08:42.28 | Snow | nsadmin: so no idea how to remove this one? |
| 08:42.33 | Snow | can i run fsck on directory? |
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| 08:43.52 | wrksx | If I install some packages I compiled on my system, how to be sure they 're not going to be updated with ones from the repo ? |
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| 08:45.25 | v_v | hi, a little question. how can i remove the softwares i installed by compling from source ? |
| 08:46.02 | v_v | maybe they have lots of files in many places where i don't know |
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| 08:46.47 | Octavian | wrksx: you should choose update the package version, then "pin" your version, see http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html |
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| 08:48.23 | v_v | wow, maybe this is a stupid question here |
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| 08:49.05 | petemc | v_v: there is no magic way, some may have a make uninstall command, but often they wont |
| 08:49.17 | petemc | so you're on your own |
| 08:49.44 | wrksx | Octavian thanks |
| 08:50.10 | v_v | petemc: that;s the point |
| 08:50.14 | v_v | petemc: thanks |
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| 09:00.45 | pipern | apt-get build-dep subversion is just telling me "Build-dependencies for subversion could not be satisfied"; I'm googling to see if I can have it explain *why*, but not finding the verbose option yet. Could someone direct me? |
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| 09:01.52 | pipern | I'm using apt 0.7.20.2, so it should have http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg410851.html in it |
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| 09:04.36 | frikinz | pipern: do you have "deb-src" lines in sources.list ? |
| 09:04.41 | pipern | frikinz: yes |
| 09:04.49 | pipern | frikinz: I did apt-get source subversion already |
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| 09:21.35 | frikinz | no, you need 0.7.23 pipern http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg687151.html |
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| 09:23.40 | pipern | frikinz: ah, ok, thanks! |
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| 09:31.21 | quitte | hi. i'm having trouble bridging a wlan adapter together with ethernet. i'm wondering if the access point might be unhappy about seeing multiple macs behind a single wireless connection? it's a dlink dlr-615 i'm fighting. |
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| 09:37.14 | ultra420 | can i use nginx+php-fpm+mysql on a 128M vps? |
| 09:37.37 | ultra420 | i have installed nginx+php+fpm+mysql on this 128M vps.but the speed is too slow.... |
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| 09:37.55 | petemc | get more ram |
| 09:37.59 | ultra420 | and i use free -m see that the cache used is 127M ,only 1M left |
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| 09:38.18 | ultra420 | hi,dear petemc , this is a vps.its ram is only 128M |
| 09:38.41 | petemc | then enjoy your slow nginx+php+fpm+mysql installation |
| 09:38.50 | petemc | 128 meg isnt good for much |
| 09:38.59 | petemc | my phone has 4 times that |
| 09:39.13 | ultra420 | ur phone? are you kidding me? |
| 09:39.25 | ultra420 | you mean that your phone has 1G memory? |
| 09:39.38 | petemc | you might want to redo your calculations |
| 09:40.01 | metalfoo | 128M isn't good for anything. Especially on your server. |
| 09:40.02 | ultra420 | ok..thanks. dear petemc ,i ll get more ram for my vps.... |
| 09:40.22 | ultra420 | i just want to use wordpress on this vps .... |
| 09:40.28 | metalfoo | You will need 128 just for Linux to come up (for Desktop/Server systems) |
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| 09:40.52 | Deathvalley122 | lol you think that's bad |
| 09:41.05 | Deathvalley122 | I have a 100mb ram vps |
| 09:41.06 | ultra420 | thanks.. |
| 09:41.15 | ultra420 | -_-! 100M ? |
| 09:41.26 | ultra420 | and ...can you run a website on it? |
| 09:41.42 | Deathvalley122 | lol |
| 09:41.50 | Deathvalley122 | nah just enough for itc |
| 09:41.53 | Deathvalley122 | irc**** |
| 09:42.00 | metalfoo | My WRT has 8M and I run a website on it. Now what? |
| 09:42.02 | ultra420 | -_-!...for irc... |
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| 09:42.28 | Deathvalley122 | yea irc lol |
| 09:42.36 | Deathvalley122 | it's about to be suspended anyways |
| 09:42.43 | Deathvalley122 | cause I refuse to pay it |
| 09:42.46 | ultra420 | ORZ... |
| 09:43.29 | Deathvalley122 | lol |
| 09:43.35 | gnarface | ultra420: um you installed mysql on 128MB ? |
| 09:43.49 | gnarface | ultra420: disable innodb - that saves like 100MB |
| 09:43.55 | Deathvalley122 | why bother pay it when I have a dedicated server with 8GB of ram |
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| 09:44.23 | ultra420 | year,dear gnarface ,i have install mysql+php+nginx+wordpress on a vps (128M) |
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| 09:45.01 | ultra420 | disable innodb..okay..i ll have a try.. |
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| 09:45.16 | metalfoo | You can install it, you probably won't be able to run it, as soon as visitors reach your page. |
| 09:45.31 | metalfoo | But well, you said you run a blog, so you could stand your 5 visitors per day |
| 09:45.41 | ultra420 | i can run it..u could visit www.86420.org |
| 09:45.52 | wrksx | how can I prevent dpkg-buildpackage to run tests ? |
| 09:45.56 | ultra420 | but i use free -m,it is 126M cache.. |
| 09:46.04 | ultra420 | only 2M left.. |
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| 09:46.31 | ultra420 | nobody else will visit my blog...except mysql... |
| 09:46.36 | ultra420 | except myself |
| 09:46.58 | metalfoo | You could just put a sheet on your local hard disk then. That saves you some effort. |
| 09:47.06 | Xanbreon | Acceptance is the first step |
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| 09:48.32 | ultra420 | em... i ll apply for an extra 128M ram for my vps... |
| 09:48.44 | ultra420 | i think 256M must be enough... |
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| 09:49.18 | metalfoo | Some of my VPS have 20G |
| 09:49.42 | ultra420 | -_-! |
| 09:50.02 | metalfoo | But I run the Xen dom0 there too, so probably that doesn't count ;) |
| 09:50.05 | ultra420 | is it the ram? |
| 09:50.09 | metalfoo | Yes, sure. |
| 09:50.19 | ultra420 | coooool |
| 09:50.23 | metalfoo | The whole machine has 96G ors so |
| 09:50.58 | kwork | metalfoo, you run xen inside vps ? |
| 09:51.10 | metalfoo | No, I run a Xen thus providing VPS to myself. |
| 09:51.18 | kwork | <metalfoo> Some of my VPS have 20G |
| 09:51.21 | kwork | thats not valid statement then :P |
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| 09:51.38 | metalfoo | Why not? Xen with 96G runs a DomU with 20G |
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| 09:51.48 | metalfoo | Two of them to be exact. |
| 09:51.52 | petemc | 96 gig of ram is a lot just for one person to tool around with |
| 09:52.02 | metalfoo | Didn't say I tool around. |
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| 09:52.19 | metalfoo | In fact there are 30 more similar servers just with Xen. |
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| 09:52.24 | spiekey | Hello! |
| 09:53.13 | spiekey | i seem to have run into a bug here: http://pastebin.com/fdUG5y13 |
| 09:53.34 | spiekey | i was able to find bug reports for it. But how can i fix it on my squeeze release? |
| 09:53.40 | kwork | metalfoo, domu? |
| 09:53.48 | metalfoo | domu what? |
| 09:54.02 | kwork | whats domu? |
| 09:54.15 | metalfoo | A virtual machine (VPS) in Xen terminology. |
| 09:54.21 | kwork | oeh okey |
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| 09:54.52 | spiekey | e.g. here: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.bugs.general/750962 |
| 09:56.59 | wrksx | I'm facing another problem -> http://pastie.org/1249643 when runin sudo aptitude -t lenny-backports build-dep mysql-server |
| 09:57.09 | wrksx | I wich to rebuilt this package |
| 09:57.36 | wrksx | so I followed dpkg instructions: aptitude build-dep packagename |
| 09:57.54 | wrksx | but it show a BROKEN package, why ? how to fix this ? |
| 09:58.30 | rioch | What's the best way to install debian so that upgrading to the next version is a simple task? |
| 09:59.04 | petemc | rioch: the normal way, it should always be easy to upgrade to the next release if you follow the release guide |
| 09:59.07 | ultra420 | i thought the best way is use grub,and kernel ...initrd...net boot is the best way |
| 09:59.42 | frikinz | wrksx: press y ? |
| 10:00.02 | wrksx | frikinz, that's what I did, but I wonder if the BROKEN package will be fixed ? |
| 10:00.06 | Shalok | Aargh... I have a half installed linux-image which can't finish installing because grub is missing. But I can't install grub because aptitude refuses to do anything until it has finished installing with the linux-image. herlp...! |
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| 10:00.18 | wrksx | frikinz, how can I chack then ? |
| 10:00.22 | wrksx | check |
| 10:01.06 | rioch | petemc, do you have a link to this information for the previous release? I can't find it myself. |
| 10:01.20 | petemc | !release notes |
| 10:01.20 | dpkg | Release Notes for Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 (Lenny) are at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/releasenotes . See also http://bugs.debian.org/release-notes and http://wiki.debian.org/NewInLenny . Also ask me about <i-g>, <installer firmware>, <etch->lenny key>, <errata>, <squeeze release notes>. |
| 10:01.41 | rioch | petemc, thanks |
| 10:02.09 | Bushmills | Shalok, boot from live cd, mount installation partition somewhere. mount --bind /proc and /dev, then chroot to installation partition. continue installation, maybe by running grub-install and/or update-grub |
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| 10:03.21 | frikinz | wrksx: it's just that install-info that you need to build forces you to have a texinfo > x.x.x . texinfo is quite harmless, generates probably doc for the package. |
| 10:04.00 | Shalok | Bushmills, Why do I need to boot from a live cd? |
| 10:04.10 | Shalok | Bushmills, I'm currently up and running. |
| 10:04.27 | iceroot | i have changed the ip-adress and the name of a server, the clients still think the host is using the old ip-adress, how do i kill the infos? if i am correct the arp-cache is still holding the route to the hosts |
| 10:04.27 | Shalok | Bushmills, But I don't have grub installed at all, so I can't grub-install or update-grub. |
| 10:04.38 | Bushmills | because i assumed a half-installed image with grub missing unbootable |
| 10:05.17 | Shalok | Bushmills, Presumably I'll be screwed if I try to reboot, but that isn't a problem right now. |
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| 10:05.28 | Shalok | Bushmills, So how can I install grub? |
| 10:05.37 | rioch | petemc, that document is excellent. |
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| 10:06.25 | petemc | iceroot: the arp cache holds arp to ip address info, nothing else and arp isnt routable - are they windows machines? you can flush the dns cache on those, also could be a browser cache or dns issue |
| 10:06.25 | Bushmills | i have no idea where you're in now. well, running a probably unbootable system, i know as far. so i have no idea whether you have a command line, an install dialog, or anything else |
| 10:06.31 | petemc | rioch: good to hear |
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| 10:06.52 | petemc | Shalok: how did you manage to have a machine without grub installed? |
| 10:07.24 | Shalok | petemc, I booted the machine then uninstalled grub. |
| 10:07.28 | wrksx | "dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libreadline-dev" means i must "apt-get libreadline-dev" ? |
| 10:07.29 | petemc | nice |
| 10:07.42 | Shalok | ... |
| 10:08.44 | wrksx | apt-get install libreadline-dev |
| 10:08.54 | rigved | hi |
| 10:08.58 | metalfoo | I told you already once wrksx. Stop asking crossing channel boundaries. No one can follow you that way. Choose whether you want to ask in #debian or #mysql, not both. |
| 10:09.40 | wrksx | metalfoo, ok I apologize once again |
| 10:10.37 | metalfoo | But yes, unless you installed the source dependencies manually you have to |
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| 10:10.56 | wrksx | ok thank you again |
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| 10:11.41 | wrksx | my package is currently building right now, I hope it will be ok to install and run |
| 10:13.07 | rigved | i have an old compaq laptop with Debian GNU/Linux installed on it. During the install, it told me that the firmware (ipw2100-1.3) for my in-built wireless card was missing. So i installed it later. But i am still unable to connect to my home wireless network. Can any please help me? |
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| 10:13.59 | rioch | rigved, have you read this page on the wiki: http://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200 |
| 10:15.34 | rigved | rioch: thanx, i'll look through it |
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| 10:15.53 | rioch | rigved, np |
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| 10:23.10 | mgc | test |
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| 10:23.43 | wrksx | mgc, hi |
| 10:23.51 | mgc | thx |
| 10:23.55 | wrksx | test is successfull |
| 10:23.57 | wrksx | =) |
| 10:24.29 | mgc | i am new. ok got it :) |
| 10:25.39 | jpinx-eeepc | mgc: easiest wqy to test is to do !ping |
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| 10:27.48 | mgc | wqy? a chn font? |
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| 10:28.09 | Xanbreon | !ping |
| 10:28.10 | dpkg | Yes, xanbreon, you are online. |
| 10:28.10 | blackshirt | hello |
| 10:28.14 | Xanbreon | ohshi |
| 10:30.02 | mgc | I am chinese, can I speak chinese here? |
| 10:30.27 | wrksx | mgc, i don't think so |
| 10:30.57 | mgc | OK , Thank U |
| 10:32.08 | wrksx | I am building my package and after the build tests are runing. can I skip them ? how ? |
| 10:32.33 | cydork | mgc: try #debian-zh on irc.oftc.net |
| 10:32.51 | mgc | :) ok thx |
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| 10:33.41 | petemc | wrksx: you were told how to do that yesterday by themill |
| 10:34.05 | wrksx | petemc, yes I ran the same command but apparently I made a mistake |
| 10:34.16 | wrksx | petemc, since tests are runing |
| 10:34.32 | wrksx | petemc , i'm asking now if i can 'interrupt' it. |
| 10:34.50 | wrksx | petemc, I mean stop the test but keep the packages |
| 10:34.58 | petemc | i doubt it |
| 10:35.05 | wrksx | petemc, ok then i'll wait |
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| 10:35.20 | wrksx | I've got to pay for my lack of attention |
| 10:37.46 | petemc | !punish wrksx |
| 10:37.46 | dpkg | cuts wrksx's balls off, slices them thin and feeds them to tux the penguin. |
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| 10:38.27 | wrksx | what a punishment ! I did'nt deserved that |
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| 10:38.35 | petemc | tis a bit harsh |
| 10:38.43 | wrksx | sure |
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| 11:00.43 | Shalok | How can I force change the order in which the kernel selects modules for a hardware device? For most kernels I have tow modules but the kernel always loads the slower module. I want it to use the faster module if availble and only use the slower one as a fallback if the faster one isn't available. |
| 11:00.56 | Shalok | s/force// |
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| 11:06.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | !blacklist |
| 11:06.36 | dpkg | In lenny and squeeze, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'. IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModuleBlacklisting |
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| 11:07.12 | zealiod | how can i allow eth1 interface to allow all VLAN tagged connections |
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| 11:07.37 | zealiod | i have something like this going on in iptables... iptables -A FORWARD -p all -i eth1.+ -j ACCEPT |
| 11:07.41 | zealiod | but no joy |
| 11:08.19 | bolt-work | Shalok: if you want it to check for the faster module and load that only if available, you might have to script it yourself. if you blacklist the slower module, it'll never be loaded |
| 11:08.22 | metalfoo | VLAN is L2. You may want to install the vlan package in order to manually tag interfaces |
| 11:08.22 | Shalok | CutMeOwnThroat, Yeah I already read about blacklisting, but I don't want to blacklist the slow driver, but just deprioritise it. This is important since the faster driver is not always available. |
| 11:08.54 | frikinz | Shalok: then blacklist both and specify your order in a /etc/modprobe.d/blabla.conf |
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| 11:09.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | how can it not be available... either it's with the modules or it's not... and yes, you can always have some script load it after you blackilsted it |
| 11:10.14 | Shalok | CutMeOwnThroat, For example after I upgrade linux-image it isn't available until I get around to recompiling it. |
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| 11:11.02 | bolt-work | Shalok: why not just upgrade linux-image when you have the time to recompile it? and just manually modprobe the slow one while you're doing it? |
| 11:12.07 | zealiod | can i use wild cards in the /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 11:12.22 | bolt-work | zealiod: for what purpose? |
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| 11:12.37 | zealiod | bolt-work: define a range of VLANs |
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| 11:20.49 | Shalok | frikinz, Could you please elaborate on how to specify the order in my modprobe files? |
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| 11:22.08 | Shalok | frikinz, Do you mean a custom install for the slower module that checks for the newer module and if available loads that instead? |
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| 11:22.48 | Shalok | I can't think of any other way of doing it, but the man page says install is deprecated. |
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| 11:26.22 | zealiod_ | my eth1 nic won't accept any packets from vlan10 even though it's in my /etc/network/interfaces files - am i missing something? |
| 11:26.31 | zealiod_ | i have enabled the module |
| 11:28.33 | Shalok | zealiod_, Are you using vmware? |
| 11:28.58 | zealiod_ | Shalok: nope |
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| 11:30.19 | Shalok | zealiod_, How do you know it's not receiving packets? Are you trying to ping it? |
| 11:30.35 | zealiod_ | Shalok: yes, just a simple ping |
| 11:30.55 | Shalok | zealiod_, Can you ping the NIC itself from the machine it's installed in? |
| 11:31.38 | zealiod_ | yes |
| 11:31.57 | Shalok | zealiod_, What is the IP/subnet of the NIC when you do ifconfig? |
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| 11:32.02 | zealiod_ | Shalok: and if i use a non tagged port on the same switch, i can ping the interface.... it's just when i'm using the tagged port |
| 11:32.31 | zealiod_ | 10.61.32.1/24 |
| 11:32.31 | dokma | hey guys... anyone knows of a good package that could save me from manually editing /etc/network/interfaces all the time... |
| 11:33.13 | rigved | dokma: network-manager-gnome |
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| 11:33.30 | iceroot | dokma: ifconfig |
| 11:33.31 | dokma | rigved, is there a similar thingy for kde? |
| 11:33.56 | Shalok | zealiod_, I have no idea what tagged ports are. |
| 11:34.03 | rigved | dokma: network-manager-kde |
| 11:34.14 | zealiod_ | Shalok: 802.11q tagging |
| 11:34.14 | Shalok | zealiod_, How are they different from regular ports? |
| 11:34.33 | zealiod_ | Shalok: they have a 4 bit id tagged in the frame |
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| 11:34.57 | dokma | actually I just realized I'm running XFCE on my laptop |
| 11:36.21 | frikinz | Shalok: sorry, was out. Hum I guess modules in there are loaded one after the other, so 2 simple (install?) lines? Also I see softdep in aliases.conf : softdep uhci-hcd pre: ehci-hcd |
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| 11:37.54 | Shalok | frikinz, softdep wasn't my first choice since I don't really want to load the both modules, but I coudn't get the install thing to work so I may try it. |
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| 11:38.20 | rigved | dokma: network-manager-kde works on XFCE |
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| 11:38.58 | rigved | dokma: or try wicd |
| 11:39.20 | frikinz | Shalok: or easier, blacklist then and regenerate initramfs, and then add your two modules in /etc/modules, if you look it is read my /etc/init.d/module-init-tools |
| 11:39.28 | frikinz | s/then/them/ |
| 11:39.39 | rigved | dokme: wicd is environment-independent |
| 11:40.13 | rioch | Does 10.2 become a float or double by default? |
| 11:40.20 | rioch | oops wrong channel :) |
| 11:41.22 | frikinz | Shalok: ah you don't want to load both modules? then my solution doesn't work and I doN't really see the point. The second one shouldn't succeed to load anyway. |
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| 11:42.58 | Shalok | frikinz, I think the second module will succeed. I have both loaded atm. |
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| 11:44.02 | stuckey | hi all |
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| 11:44.14 | rigved | rioch: in Java, it's double by default |
| 11:44.19 | stuckey | Does anyone know how to use unison? I want to sync foo/ with bar where bar is available over ssh. |
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| 11:45.18 | HackeMate | hello, I have added the line "Port 80" under Por 22 in /etc/ssh/sshd_config but it only respond to port 22 (after a service restart) should I add it via Port 22,80 or what is wrong |
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| 11:47.13 | HackeMate | sorry wrong x |
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| 11:49.21 | ali3n0 | HackeMate, wrong x? |
| 11:49.31 | wrksx | how can I clean this up ? http://pastie.org/1249829 |
| 11:50.35 | HackeMate | X button because i closed irc client instead other window |
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| 11:52.54 | abrotman | wrksx: aptitude -f install .. choose the right set of options .. read them carefully |
| 11:53.09 | abrotman | !tell wrksx about why aptitude |
| 11:53.53 | wrksx | 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
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| 11:54.53 | d3c | how may I check if my OS is the 64 bit one? |
| 11:55.28 | frikinz | wrksx: what is the problem? your mysql server from bpo is installed. |
| 11:56.00 | wrksx | frikinz, apparently I failed somewhere since the files I needed where not compiled in. |
| 11:56.11 | wrksx | frikinz, so i want to start over |
| 11:56.24 | wrksx | frikinz, but let go I'm but to reinstall the system |
| 11:56.29 | wrksx | I'm about |
| 11:57.17 | frikinz | wrksx: yesterday someone advised you to make a changelog entry with dch. do this, you will be able to differentiate between the officia one and yours. |
| 11:57.24 | ali3n0 | HackeMate, did you solve with sshd? |
| 11:58.00 | wrksx | frikinz, thank you but I tried so hard I'm tired, I'll try another (non-package) way |
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| 12:02.09 | frikinz | wrksx: it is simple. I'd suggest you try again. non-package way is dirty and might sometimes force you to reinstall yes. |
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| 12:04.05 | Shalok | frikinz, softdep works nicely. I don't think it's work worrying about the miniscule amount of memory wasted by the unneeded module. |
| 12:04.15 | Shalok | s/work/worth/ |
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| 12:11.14 | HackeMate | ali3n0, yes I did, thanks, via localhost it works, seems to be NAT issue |
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| 12:16.12 | Shalok | nmblookup disappeared in testing (squeeze)? |
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| 12:16.59 | rhineheart_m | hello to all |
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| 12:17.54 | Shalok | Ok looks like there's something called nmblookup.samba3 instead? |
| 12:19.53 | abrotman | Shalok: i have both on a squeeze system |
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| 12:20.51 | Shalok | maybe it gets created/renamed during installation? I dunno |
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| 12:27.35 | linduxed | i just wrote a makefile that looks like this http://paste.pocoo.org/show/281620/ |
| 12:27.49 | linduxed | make clean refuses to work for me |
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| 12:28.12 | linduxed | copying the rm commande and entering it manually into the prompt works as it should |
| 12:28.29 | linduxed | but make clean just doesnt want to |
| 12:28.44 | linduxed | i'm using zsh btw |
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| 12:30.20 | Shalok | what error does it give? |
| 12:30.35 | linduxed | Shalok: no error |
| 12:30.40 | linduxed | just outputs the command |
| 12:30.56 | linduxed | then when i do ls all the stuff is still there |
| 12:31.19 | Shalok | if you put echo in front of the rm does it correctly list all the files? |
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| 12:32.58 | linduxed | echo rm -f *.{pdf,log,aux,out,toc,dvi} |
| 12:32.59 | linduxed | rm -f *.{pdf,log,aux,out,toc,dvi} |
| 12:33.03 | linduxed | that's the output |
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| 12:33.11 | nettezzaumana | hi there |
| 12:33.32 | n00ch | howdy |
| 12:33.50 | nettezzaumana | debian is bloody sucking .. man smb.conf says about *cifs "read a mount.cifs" manual but which package contains mount cifs please? |
| 12:34.13 | abrotman | !tell nettezzaumana about apt-file |
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| 12:34.31 | nettezzaumana | # mount //192.168.111.111/prace /mnt/ -o username=dpecka -t cifs |
| 12:34.31 | nettezzaumana | mount: block device //192.168.111.111/prace is write-protected, mounting read-only |
| 12:34.34 | nettezzaumana | mount: cannot mount block device //192.168.111.111/prace read-only |
| 12:34.38 | n00ch | !tell n00ch bout apt-file |
| 12:34.40 | nettezzaumana | ^^ this is also very disappointing |
| 12:34.44 | abrotman | !tell n00ch about selftell |
| 12:34.52 | nettezzaumana | 'why it didn't ask for pwd? |
| 12:35.07 | abrotman | why didn't you provide one? |
| 12:35.16 | nettezzaumana | on cli? |
| 12:35.45 | nettezzaumana | abrotman: well, i'm senior unix admin knowing UNIXes (but not debian) since 1926 |
| 12:35.53 | abrotman | 1926 eh? |
| 12:36.04 | nettezzaumana | joke |
| 12:36.24 | nettezzaumana | i needed to reproduce something what happens on our RHEL |
| 12:36.30 | nettezzaumana | so i installed debian |
| 12:36.40 | abrotman | makes perfect sense :) |
| 12:36.45 | Shalok | linduxed, Are you sure about that syntax |
| 12:36.58 | abrotman | nettezzaumana: apt-file will help you find the mount.cifs man page |
| 12:37.00 | Shalok | linduxed, I'm having better luck with rm -f *.(pdf|log)) |
| 12:37.05 | nettezzaumana | abrotman: understand that it couldn't |
| 12:37.24 | pif | hi, in kde there used to be a way in the file explorer to have a visualization of what files/dirs occupy HD space, is there such tool for other environments, |
| 12:37.36 | abrotman | nettezzaumana: did you `aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search mount.cifs' ? works fine here .. and found the correct package |
| 12:37.53 | abrotman | pif: i know gnome has one, though i can't recall the name |
| 12:38.14 | pif | I'm check with #gnome |
| 12:38.19 | abrotman | pif: quick search says "gdmap" |
| 12:38.24 | pif | aha |
| 12:38.41 | abrotman | i'm sure there are others built into gnome |
| 12:38.45 | nettezzaumana | abrotman: sure |
| 12:38.59 | nettezzaumana | thanks .. i'm not so stupid .. i know basics of debian |
| 12:39.00 | abrotman | nettezzaumana: and you still didn't find the correct package? |
| 12:39.04 | pif | abrotman: thx |
| 12:39.12 | nettezzaumana | now doing `apt-file update` |
| 12:39.16 | nettezzaumana | hold on |
| 12:39.25 | abrotman | is pretty sure the bot said that |
| 12:39.39 | nettezzaumana | i didn't bothered with reading |
| 12:39.47 | nettezzaumana | aaa .. it's opened as a PM window |
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| 12:39.52 | nettezzaumana | :) |
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| 12:40.13 | abrotman | senior eh? |
| 12:40.34 | nettezzaumana | abrotman: just for my information .. i've installed insserv and chkconfig and both produces a lot of ugly warnings |
| 12:40.37 | nettezzaumana | it's not so nice |
| 12:40.48 | abrotman | in lenny? wouldn't be surprised .. |
| 12:41.40 | nettezzaumana | abrotman: no. i have 503 iirc |
| 12:41.45 | abrotman | that is lenny |
| 12:41.50 | nettezzaumana | probably .. cat /etc/release .. |
| 12:41.54 | nettezzaumana | ah, okay |
| 12:41.58 | abrotman | well, lenny is now 5.0.6 .. but 5.0.3 was lenny |
| 12:42.04 | nettezzaumana | okay |
| 12:43.03 | linduxed | Shalok: ill try that |
| 12:43.20 | nettezzaumana | shit |
| 12:43.46 | nettezzaumana | i have in real samba issue .. is here anybody willing to see my smb.conf and listen to my moaning ? |
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| 12:44.02 | abrotman | with debian or RHEL? |
| 12:44.12 | nettezzaumana | debian cuz reproduced |
| 12:44.17 | abrotman | (keep in mind there is also a #samba) |
| 12:44.18 | nettezzaumana | here and it behaves just same |
| 12:44.26 | nettezzaumana | i asked .. there's dead |
| 12:44.37 | abrotman | nettezzaumana: first thing is to `aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade` .. make sure your packages are up to date |
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| 12:45.33 | linduxed | Shalok: didn't work |
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| 12:45.45 | nettezzaumana | abrotman: okay, i'll show you .. sorry for PM .. it's unmodified from productional server - this is why i won't put it here .. JFYI - i am not Linux or samba admin .. but young gods (youngster Linux sysadmins) have vacation so i have to do a job |
| 12:45.48 | Shalok | Let say my samba box is connected to two different networks and there is a machine on each that both share the same netbios name. Is there any way to hint to samba that it should prefer to resolve to clients on network over the other? |
| 12:46.48 | abrotman | nettezzaumana: please use paste.debian.net so others can see |
| 12:47.11 | nettezzaumana | http://fpaste.org/osYV/ |
| 12:47.17 | abrotman | or that |
| 12:47.30 | abrotman | nettezzaumana: though you might want to describe the problem |
| 12:47.35 | nettezzaumana | i have there ^^ skipped both create|directory masks so files are created with 07555 |
| 12:47.39 | nettezzaumana | **0755 |
| 12:47.55 | nettezzaumana | don't understand why |
| 12:48.15 | nettezzaumana | same for [homes] .. files are not created there with 0700 |
| 12:48.17 | abrotman | on the reditelna share? |
| 12:48.51 | nettezzaumana | abrotman: there it's desirable 0755 |
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| 12:49.24 | nettezzaumana | on [prace] should be 0777 and in [homes] 0700 |
| 12:50.04 | abrotman | nettezzaumana: should we ask what the underlying filesystem is, and if it has unix style permissions? |
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| 12:51.59 | nettezzaumana | abrotman: standard ext3 with all defaults as from clean 5.03 installation |
| 12:52.36 | abrotman | if you comment it out .. does it use the default of 0744 ? |
| 12:52.39 | nettezzaumana | abrotman: mounted as `/srv/samba/foo on /home/nastenka type none (rw,bind)` |
| 12:52.52 | nettezzaumana | ^^ but i tested it directly against /srv/samba |
| 12:53.14 | nettezzaumana | abrotman: it's using actually 0744 |
| 12:53.59 | nettezzaumana | $ mkdir bloody_hell; ls -ld bloody_hell |
| 12:54.00 | nettezzaumana | drwxr-xr-x 2 dpecka dpecka 0 2010-10-26 16:52 bloody_hell |
| 12:54.16 | nettezzaumana | ^^ i'm in $mountpoint of desired samba volume |
| 12:54.35 | nettezzaumana | logged as user which was been used in username= |
| 12:54.59 | sander^work | What could be wrong here?: Command: CWD /var/www/domain.com/www/test Response: 550 /var/www/domain.com/www/test/Templates/_notes/dwsync.xml: No such file or directory Error: Critical file transfer error |
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| 12:57.34 | nettezzaumana | sander^work: No such file or directory |
| 12:57.37 | nettezzaumana | of course |
| 12:59.39 | sander^work | nettezzaumana, does it mean I don't have permissions? |
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| 13:03.16 | nettezzaumana | sander^work: it just means, that your issue's description is too vague and you're speculating too much |
| 13:03.53 | nettezzaumana | No such file or directory == just doesn't sound like not enough access rights |
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| 13:14.10 | Good_D_ay | Thanks everybody have a Good Day. |
| 13:15.06 | abrotman | nettezzaumana: perhaps you also need directory security mask ? |
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| 13:20.22 | rigved | i have tried configuring my wireless nic with firmware-ipw2100-1.3, yet i am unable to connect to the wireless network |
| 13:20.36 | rigved | can anyone shed some light on this? |
| 13:20.49 | rigved | is my hardware malfunctioning? |
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| 13:28.13 | Cim | hi |
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| 13:30.25 | Cim | I have question: Is it possible to do: I have three pendrives, on one of them I made two partitions and I don't wanna mount one of this partition on this one pendrives when I plug him? |
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| 13:33.17 | Cim | * one pendrive |
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| 13:34.41 | Cim | I think its somthing with udev to do but I'm not sure. |
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| 13:35.53 | zealiod | debian eth1 is not accepting vlan packets, i have set up via vconfig.... what am i missing? |
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| 13:40.30 | wrksx | How should I proceed to create a mysql user ? I mean I need to create a user called mysql for runing the mysqlserver |
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| 13:40.51 | wrksx | I don't need a user with a home and all |
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| 13:42.36 | zafy | hi guys, I have a pretty big problem |
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| 13:43.07 | zafy | we have a server that's still running etch |
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| 13:43.26 | zafy | and I need glibc 2.4 on it |
| 13:43.49 | stew | zafy: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 13:44.22 | stew | zafy: when you upgrade to lenny, you'll have 2.7 (which will work for things looking for 2.4) |
| 13:44.34 | zafy | stew, I wish I could upgrade to lenny but my boss won't let me |
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| 13:45.06 | rvsjoen | wrksx: if you install with the package manager that is handled for you |
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| 13:45.41 | themill | zafy: sounds like you need to give your boss some understanding of the consequences of running an entirely unsupported release. (e.g. no security support) |
| 13:45.43 | wrksx | rvsjoen, This is not what I asked, but thanks for at least trying ! |
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| 13:46.24 | rvsjoen | if thats not what you want, just create a user, and put the home directory wherever you want the mysql data to live |
| 13:46.24 | zafy | themill, he's worried we'd spedn to much time on it |
| 13:46.38 | rvsjoen | and give it a false shell |
| 13:47.06 | themill | zafy: less time than you'd spend on disaster recovery |
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| 13:47.41 | stew | zafy: run "aptitude search '~i~Dlibc6'" to see what packages you have installed depending on the older glibc, to get an idea of the impact of what you are asking |
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| 13:55.34 | _abc_ | Has anyone here installed ff 3.6.11 ? It works but it refuses to find the jave jre? |
| 13:55.38 | _abc_ | Which is installed and recent |
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| 13:56.36 | stew | _abc_: you install java using debian packages? |
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| 13:58.26 | hick0rd | hello, my machine is hanging, as I am not able to execute a command, i.e top, having these messages within the kernel log http://pastebin.com/gLVByAxP |
| 13:58.28 | hick0rd | Any ideas? |
| 13:58.38 | zafy | stew, okay, just convinced the boss to upgrade to lenny :D |
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| 13:59.27 | _abc_ | stew: No I use the latest but ff 2.0 also direct from web found it |
| 13:59.47 | _abc_ | is there a debianism that prevents it from working without patching or relocation? |
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| 14:03.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | so what's the suggested method to debug kernel crashes of the debian kernel? |
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| 14:05.09 | zafy | lenny is stable right ? |
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| 14:05.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, related - does it make sense to run netconsole to capture crash information when the whole network is wireless? |
| 14:05.49 | stew | zafy: yes, and it gets security upgrades (which etch doesn't) |
| 14:06.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | zafy, yes, also see topic |
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| 14:06.28 | zealiod | is it possible to configure an ethernet card to accept all 802.11q tagged packets? Currently any packets that are tagged are being dropped |
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| 14:09.16 | _abc_ | ok, I fixed my problems |
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| 14:17.30 | andrewnemeth | hi guys |
| 14:17.48 | Cim | hi |
| 14:18.14 | andrewnemeth | I just installed debian on the top of the centos using deboostrap |
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| 14:18.30 | andrewnemeth | however its stil use grub.conf from the other partition? |
| 14:18.32 | andrewnemeth | . |
| 14:19.08 | andrewnemeth | to regenerate all files enough to copy the boot folder from the old partition and run grub-update? |
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| 14:22.09 | tonhe | how do you configure apt to go through a proxy? |
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| 14:24.50 | dkr | tonhe: set the env var http_proxy |
| 14:25.02 | dkr | tonhe: many sources.list |
| 14:25.08 | abrotman | tonhe: man apt.conf .. it tells you |
| 14:25.11 | dkr | tonhe: er, man sources.list |
| 14:25.16 | abrotman | i wouldn't set the env var .. that might affect other things |
| 14:25.23 | abrotman | (that you might not want affected) |
| 14:25.47 | abrotman | tonhe: but there is also apt-proxy/apt-cacher/approx that are tools used to create a package repo proxy |
| 14:26.33 | chrisign | general question: where should I best define $JAVA_HOME? .bashrc, profile ....? |
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| 14:26.48 | themill | chrisign: "not at all" ideally. It shouldn't be needed. |
| 14:27.15 | chrisign | I need it to build mozilla modules |
| 14:27.37 | dkr | Makefile? |
| 14:28.12 | zafy | so I just upgraded debian to lenny using safe-upgrade followed by full-upgrade but if I do safe-upgrade it shows that a number of packages are not up to date |
| 14:28.12 | chrisign | each time I use a makefile? why not in any rc-file? |
| 14:28.15 | zafy | is that normal ? |
| 14:29.31 | themill | chrisign: if you have consistent java alternatives, it shouldn't be needed by the java tools in debian (or any other modern java). "/msg dpkg update-java-alternatives". If the makefile is truly braindead and requires it to be set, then including it in the makefile might be the easiest approach so that it's only that makefile you're breaking not every other java thing on your machine |
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| 14:29.49 | wrksx | zafy, personnally I used safe-upgrade and then dist-upgrade, but I don't know if it makes a difference |
| 14:30.08 | zafy | I just followed the instruction given by the dpkg bot |
| 14:30.50 | tonhe | meh, i'm just going find some ftp repos |
| 14:31.05 | wrksx | zafy, ok. then |
| 14:31.07 | wrksx | . |
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| 14:35.23 | tonhe | is there a list of official apt mirrors somewhere |
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| 14:36.54 | rvsjoen | !mirrors |
| 14:36.54 | dpkg | from memory, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/, see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>. |
| 14:37.30 | andrewnemeth | how can I create initrd and vmlinuz? |
| 14:37.52 | metalfoo | With apt-get install linux-image-whatever |
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| 14:38.18 | andrewnemeth | the kernel is already installed |
| 14:38.20 | andrewnemeth | that image |
| 14:38.37 | andrewnemeth | linux-image-2.6.26-2-686-bigmem is already the newest version. |
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| 14:40.25 | andrewnemeth | okey how can I uninstall the bootloader? |
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| 14:41.16 | Lenhix | Why would you want to uninstall de bootloader? |
| 14:41.19 | frikinz | overwrite it? grub-install |
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| 14:42.54 | chrisign | themill: I wrote it in the shell with witch I invoke the makefile export JAVA_HOME ... |
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| 14:43.08 | chrisign | next time its lost |
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| 14:47.27 | tonhe | Ok, dumb question time.. when I specify in my sources.list deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org lenny contrib main -- it keeps looking for Packages, instead of Packages.bz2 or .gz |
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| 14:49.10 | jelly | hm, does backports.debian.org work on ipv6? |
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| 14:49.53 | ramanK | How can I see the list of running daemons ? |
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| 14:50.36 | wrksx | what is the command to create a changelog when builduing a package ? tch or something... i can't remember |
| 14:51.12 | jelly | (answer: it does, but the deb source url is a bit different than on backports.org) |
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| 14:51.48 | stew | wrksx: dch |
| 14:52.00 | tonhe | any idea why apt-get update is trying to fetch a non existant file ? W: Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.ndlug.nd.edu/debian/dists/lenny/main/binary-i386/Packages |
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| 14:52.18 | wrksx | stew, thank you, runnin this command is enought, isn't it ? |
| 14:52.22 | anymouse | the mirror is down or changed? |
| 14:52.32 | wrksx | stew,, I mean I have not to write something on my own |
| 14:52.33 | tonhe | anymouse: the mirror is up |
| 14:52.41 | patrick-- | Debians current php5 release ships with the suhosin patch. is there any way to remove it, but to recompile the entire thing? |
| 14:52.44 | tonhe | anymouse: but it should be fetching Packages.gz or .bz2 |
| 14:53.02 | stew | tonhe: looks like it should be ftp://ftp.ndlug.nd.edu/debian/debian not ftp://ftp.ndlug.nd.edu/debian |
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| 14:53.09 | anymouse | mhh maybe an aptitude update will help you? |
| 14:53.31 | tonhe | stew: hmm |
| 14:53.34 | stew | tonhe: ftp://ftp.ndlug.nd.edu/debian/debian/dists/lenny/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz does exist |
| 14:54.18 | tonhe | what do you know.. works fine when I'm not being a moron! |
| 14:54.21 | tonhe | stew: thank you |
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| 14:56.50 | csh-harmful | Could please some one recomend "realtime" log parser which watch for specisic regex in syslog file and sends email on alert? Tried swatch but it eats 99% of CPU. |
| 14:57.25 | patrick-- | logcheck? |
| 14:57.32 | stew | that's not realtime |
| 14:57.36 | patrick-- | is it not?! :O |
| 14:57.42 | patrick-- | hides |
| 14:58.45 | stew | i thought logcheck typically ran hourly |
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| 14:58.50 | stew | but I could be wrong |
| 14:59.10 | patrick-- | mhh |
| 14:59.15 | patrick-- | think its cronpowered |
| 14:59.18 | patrick-- | so you're right. |
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| 15:04.34 | frikinz | you probably need something that uses inotify kernel interface then |
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| 15:06.05 | wrksx | If I understood what I've been told, runnin the dch command before building a package will permit me to differenciate the original and my version of a package right ? |
| 15:06.08 | csh-harmful | frikinz: why ? tail is OK. I just looking for parser + event generator |
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| 15:07.48 | frikinz | csh-harmful: yes, only that you need to have the file open but if you don't have a lot, that's fine |
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| 15:07.56 | frikinz | csh-harmful: you could code it : http://poe.perl.org/?POE_Cookbook/Tail_Following_Web_Server :) |
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| 15:08.22 | frikinz | http://search.cpan.org/~rcaputo/POE-1.293/lib/POE/Wheel/FollowTail.pm |
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| 15:09.00 | cognitiaclaeves | What's the least-bloated method of installing a nagios client on lenny? |
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| 15:10.11 | patrick-- | cognitiaclaeves: least bloated? |
| 15:10.13 | patrick-- | nrpe? |
| 15:10.37 | stew | cognitiaclaeves: what do you mean by "client"? |
| 15:10.41 | patrick-- | indeed |
| 15:10.47 | patrick-- | a node or a check "client"? |
| 15:10.53 | cognitiaclaeves | something the reports its data to a server. |
| 15:10.59 | patrick-- | a check client |
| 15:11.00 | patrick-- | -> nrpe |
| 15:11.04 | stew | yeah, nrpe |
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| 15:12.20 | cognitiaclaeves | nrpe looks like it wants 40 additional files. I was hoping for a leaner solution than that. |
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| 15:12.45 | patrick-- | compile it? |
| 15:12.54 | patrick-- | this is the moast lean solution. |
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| 15:19.51 | c0mpu | hey, someone in here an experienced "wpa_supplicant" user? |
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| 15:21.08 | stew | cognitiaclaeves: what do you mean by "additional"? realize that you just need nrpe and whatever plugins, you don't need the rest of nagios (like the -common -core, nagios3, etc packages) |
| 15:21.22 | stew | c0mpu: lots of people, just ask your real question |
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| 15:41.10 | kleanchap | My laptop connects uses WiFi to the Internet. I want to setup a VM to use Bridged network (not NAT). The VM is not finding the WiFi. The VM is Debian Linux and host is W7. Do I need to install WiFi tools onn Debian to configure the WiFi connection? |
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| 15:44.54 | g00se | With all the ntfsprogs around, it seems strange that there's no tool to reset acls - or am i wrong? |
| 15:45.03 | Zathraz | kleanchap, define VM : what VM technology are you using? |
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| 15:45.23 | kleanchap | Zathraz, VMware |
| 15:45.33 | Zathraz | vmware & wifi are a bad combi |
| 15:45.46 | Zathraz | try to link to a real eth port |
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| 15:46.16 | kleanchap | That's what I doing now. |
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| 15:47.24 | Zathraz | also better to ask in #vmware than here. Although #vmware nowadays is more about ESX/Vsphere than user stuff like server or workstation |
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| 15:51.05 | kleanchap | What tools are available for Wifi network config on Debian? |
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| 15:51.41 | frikinz | vi ;) |
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| 15:52.55 | petemc | kleanchap: network manager, wicd |
| 15:53.15 | petemc | and vi or whatever your favourite text editor is.. |
| 15:53.22 | kleanchap | petemc, Thnx! |
| 15:53.27 | petemc | np! |
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| 16:01.31 | crazygir | any erlang programmers looking for work? /msg me |
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| 16:02.49 | zealiod | i'm having troubles getting my NIC to accept all packets tagged with 802.11g VLANs - anyone any thoughts? |
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| 16:05.58 | jelly | zealiod: 802.11q vlans? What troubles? |
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| 16:07.40 | zealiod | jelly: I have multiple 24 port switches on my LAN, 12 of them - all with 802.1q tags on ports... I need to configure our new debian box to allow all vlan tagged traffic through it's LAN NIC |
| 16:08.27 | jelly | zealiod: which Debian release? What are you trying to accomplish? |
| 16:09.08 | jelly | zealiod: just a bridge, or do some of the vlans find their destination on your machine? |
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| 16:09.46 | zealiod | jelly: Linux version 2.6.26-2-486 (Debian 2.6.26-21lenny4) (dannf@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.3 20080704 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-25)) |
| 16:09.59 | jelly | zealiod: if the latter, install vlan package and man vlan-interfaces. Make sure the port on your switch is adequately configured |
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| 16:11.34 | zealiod | jelly: i am trying to allow all traffic that has been frame-tagged (or 802.11q tagged) to be 'accepted' by my NIC card... if I run wire shark I can see the packets arriving, however do I need to set up rules for each vlan id - my aim is not to isolate the traffic, just accept it |
| 16:11.39 | rethus | what are the lenny/volatile sources? |
| 16:11.44 | rethus | are this the backports? |
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| 16:12.00 | zealiod | jelly: i have installed vlan pacage already |
| 16:12.20 | rethus | and are these volatile packages stable? |
| 16:12.34 | jelly | zealiod: I believe it's accepted by default. What seems to be the issue? iptables firewall in place? |
| 16:13.20 | zealiod | jelly: i thought the same, however - I have fire wall rules in place. |
| 16:13.22 | jelly | zealiod: what are you doing with that traffic? |
| 16:13.58 | zealiod | jelly: in iptables? |
| 16:14.45 | jelly | zealiod: no, later. |
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| 16:15.15 | zealiod | jelly: using the box as a passthrough server |
| 16:15.26 | jelly | a bridge? A router? |
| 16:15.38 | zealiod | jelly: routing |
| 16:16.06 | stew | rethus: volatile is distinct from backports, it is for things that are expected to need frequent updates to remain functional, like antivirus, spamfilter, etc |
| 16:16.15 | stew | rethus: so no, its not stable by its very definition |
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| 16:16.35 | jelly | zealiod: I don't know how you'll be able to route packets without untagging them |
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| 16:16.58 | zealiod | i have two interfaces |
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| 16:18.00 | zealiod | jelly: hmm |
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| 16:19.44 | tolland | we have a box with a very large-ish xfs filesytem that wants to be checked on started up, however now is not the time to have the server down for a day or 2 |
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| 16:20.08 | tolland | dropping to single via the grub conf still tries to check the filesystem |
| 16:20.15 | jhutchins_lt | tolland: In the future, schedule regular downtimes for filesystem checks. |
| 16:20.22 | tolland | any suggestions that don't require a boot disk |
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| 16:21.49 | jhutchins_lt | tolland: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-unix-bypassing-fsck/ |
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| 16:22.26 | jhutchins_lt | My system doesn't do the automatic check, just scrolls off a message saying it's needed. |
| 16:22.40 | cusco | hi... |
| 16:22.44 | cusco | Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) |
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| 16:22.51 | cusco | I have no such file /var/cache/apt/archives/lock |
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| 16:23.04 | cusco | what is the problem? |
| 16:23.05 | jhutchins_lt | cusco: Running a package manager as a non-root user? |
| 16:23.13 | cusco | no |
| 16:23.19 | cusco | only root user in this box :p |
| 16:23.27 | cusco | (with a shell that is) |
| 16:23.28 | jhutchins_lt | cusco: That or another program is using the database. |
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| 16:24.02 | jhutchins_lt | cusco: This sometimes happens when a GUI tool is running and you try to run a PM tool. |
| 16:24.05 | cusco | can't install lsof |
| 16:24.06 | cusco | lol |
| 16:24.11 | cusco | jhutchins_lt: its a server |
| 16:24.14 | cusco | no X |
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| 16:24.27 | jhutchins_lt | No other sessions that may have the db open? |
| 16:24.28 | cusco | im the only user logged in |
| 16:24.41 | cusco | no.. |
| 16:24.51 | cusco | oh well.. lets reboot |
| 16:25.02 | jhutchins_lt | Can you touch /var/cache/apt/archives/lock ? |
| 16:25.26 | cusco | i already rebooted... |
| 16:25.29 | cusco | I probably could |
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| 16:25.56 | jelly | cusco: verify no dpkg, apt, aptitude processes are left around |
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| 16:26.25 | cusco | there weren't |
| 16:26.38 | tolland | jhutchins_lt: oh that looks just the ticket thanks! |
| 16:26.40 | jelly | cusco: of course, if your filesystem storing /var/cache/apt is broken, you're fscked until you fsck it |
| 16:29.20 | cusco | lol |
| 16:29.24 | cusco | it booted and Im fine now.. |
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| 16:33.52 | jhutchins_lt | counterintuitive, but if it works... |
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| 16:36.03 | wrksx | re |
| 16:36.18 | wrksx | I'm compiled mysql-server once again |
| 16:36.37 | wrksx | I end up with 10 packages. |
| 16:36.50 | wrksx | then I used dpkg -i to install these. |
| 16:36.58 | wrksx | see http://pastie.org/1250453 |
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| 16:39.18 | utilitytrack | wrksx: Install mysql-common (>= 5.1.49-1~bpo50+1.1) , libdbi-perl, libdbd-mysql-perl |
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| 16:40.01 | wrksx | utilitytrack, you mean right now ? with apt-get or aptitude ? |
| 16:40.17 | greycat | What is winmail.dat, and what is "Transport Neutral Encapsulation Format", and how do I view this 2.5 MB attachment that my boss just sent me? |
| 16:41.08 | wrksx | utilitytrack, i already dpkg -i mysql-common_5.1.49-1~bpo50+1.1_all.deb |
| 16:41.18 | utilitytrack | wrksx: You can't install this stuff with aptitude, because you have broken dependenciues now. |
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| 16:43.49 | wrksx | utilitytrack, "mysql-common latest configured version is 5.0.51a-24+lenny4" (line 36 of my paste) doesn't that mean it is installed ? |
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| 16:44.51 | cydork | wrksx: run apt-get -f install |
| 16:45.38 | wrksx | cydork, why ? what will it do ? |
| 16:45.39 | utilitytrack | wrksx: You need to install mysql-common (>= 5.1.49-1~bpo50+1.1) because you wish install mysql-server-5.1_5.1.49-1~bpo50+1.1 |
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| 16:46.13 | wrksx | utilitytrack, OK SO HOW CAN i UNINSTALL THE mysq common 5.0.51a-24+lenny4 ? |
| 16:46.27 | wrksx | utilitytrack, oops, excuse me didn't meant to yell |
| 16:46.52 | utilitytrack | wrksx: As tell you dpkg, versions of these packages must be 5.1.49. Do you understand this??? |
| 16:46.53 | cydork | wrksx: it should install remaining dependencies like libdbi-perl and libdbd-mysql-perl |
| 16:47.09 | wrksx | utilitytrack, yes I clearly got it. |
| 16:47.18 | utilitytrack | wrksx: Good. :) |
| 16:47.49 | wrksx | utilitytrack, what I do ask is "Is mysql-common (old version) already installed on my system?" |
| 16:48.05 | wrksx | utilitytrack, and how to remove it before installing mysql-common (>= 5.1.49-1~bpo50+1.1) |
| 16:48.13 | greycat | wrksx: dpkg -l mysql-common |
| 16:48.39 | wrksx | greycat, for what ? -L means list |
| 16:48.40 | utilitytrack | wrksx: Only manually, through # dpkg --remove |
| 16:48.57 | greycat | -L means list contents of packages (filenames) |
| 16:49.02 | wrksx | greycat, ok |
| 16:49.03 | greycat | -l means list status of packages |
| 16:49.37 | cydork | greycat: is that outlook stuff? try tnef |
| 16:50.02 | greycat | Yeah, I just tried something called "ytnef" and it failed quite badly... I guess I'll try the tnef package next. |
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| 16:51.05 | wrksx | greycat, utilitytrack, i added the output of dpkg -l at the end of the paste, see -> http://pastie.org/1250453 |
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| 16:51.53 | wrksx | based on what I understand mysql-common (>= 5.1.49-1~bpo50+1.1) is already there |
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| 16:52.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | so when you start the netconsole, should it immediately print some messages on the remote host... so you'd see it actually works? I'm seeing nothing... but not sure that means anything |
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| 16:53.54 | wrksx | greycat, right ? |
| 16:54.19 | greycat | certainly appears to be installed |
| 16:54.48 | utilitytrack | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:55.09 | wrksx | utilitytrack, squeeze ? why ? |
| 16:55.37 | utilitytrack | wrksx: It's not possible... |
| 16:55.43 | greycat | wrksx: Since you have the -common package installed now, just try all the others again. |
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| 16:56.40 | wrksx | greycat, I don't understand what do you mean by 'just try all the others again.' you're talkin about the other packages I compiled ? |
| 16:56.51 | utilitytrack | ... |
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| 16:56.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | can I produce a kernel message that should go o n the netconsole? |
| 16:57.01 | greycat | wrksx: yes, all the .deb files that are NOT mysql-common*.deb |
| 16:57.01 | wrksx | utilitytrack, say what ? |
| 16:57.11 | utilitytrack | :) |
| 16:57.18 | wrksx | greycat, roger that. stop. |
| 16:59.13 | wrksx | greycat, YOU FUCKIN RULE MAN I SEEMS TO WORK § I4LLBE RIGHT BACK I A MOMENT |
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| 17:00.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | what did you do with that guy? |
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| 17:08.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | \o/ got it... hat to lay an ethernet cable, but seems netconsole works |
| 17:08.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | if anyone's interested, running dmesg -n 8 after you loaded the module doesn't change the amount of logged messages |
| 17:08.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | has to be done before the module is loaded |
| 17:10.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | so perhaps I'll now see some message from the kernel when it crashes... |
| 17:10.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess the other thing would be to get a core dump at the moment |
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| 17:13.41 | g00se | With all the ntfsprogs around, it seems strange that there's no tool to reset acls - or am i wrong? |
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| 17:23.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's via nfs |
| 17:23.48 | zealiod | do all my vlans need to be on diff subnets... how do i issue dhcp to them all? |
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| 17:24.44 | utilitytrack | g00se: I have no any ntfs partition, so I don't know :) |
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| 17:28.30 | jhutchins_lt | g00se: Google has many hits of interest on that question: http://b.andre.pagesperso-orange.fr/permissions.html |
| 17:28.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno about "all the ntfsprogs" - there seems to be the ntfsprogrs package and that's about it |
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| 17:30.42 | jhutchins_lt | ntfs ro, ntfsrw, ntfs-3g... |
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| 17:32.32 | TheHerbert | hi, I switched between root and a user multiple times, like with "su" to root, and with "su USER" back to the user, now i see multiple processes adding up in "top" ... those processes are "su", "su USER" and "bash" ... multiplied by the number how often i switched between the user and root ... what's wrong there? |
| 17:32.33 | jelly | jhutchins_lt: those aren't programs, apps or utilities |
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| 17:33.08 | jelly | zealiod: have you ever dealt with 'q VLANs? |
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| 17:33.47 | KB1JWQ | TheHerbert: That's how it's supposed to work. |
| 17:33.55 | zealiod | jelly: yeah, from a switch level |
| 17:33.58 | KB1JWQ | jelly: I have, why? :-) |
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| 17:34.00 | jelly | zealiod: trunk with some vlans is pushed to your machine, you set up a separate interfaces for each vlan and deal with it as if it was a normal interface |
| 17:34.11 | jelly | KB1JWQ: then go help zealiod. |
| 17:34.43 | TheHerbert | KB1JWQ: ok, then i am going the wrong way switching between users? |
| 17:34.51 | zealiod | jelly: sure i get that far - but this expains more fully what i'm doing... we are similar to the hospitality solution mentioned here... http://forums11.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?admit=109447626+1288114405619+28353475&threadId=1120852 |
| 17:35.43 | g00se | jhutchins_lt: Could be interesting: thanks |
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| 17:39.32 | w1z4rd | I'm having trouble with apache, I have two hosts defined, but I keep getting an error about the one that is defined second in ports.conf. It says that there is no virtual host defined for it, but I have one defined, and it's a working config, but it keeps on saying that there is no VirtualHost defined for it. |
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| 17:39.33 | jelly | zealiod: I can't really be bothered to read a scenario in a forum only to find out yours differs in a crucial detail, not for free |
| 17:39.50 | zealiod | jelly: sure, that's cool. |
| 17:40.18 | jhutchins_lt | TheHerbert: When you're done with an su session, just log out - "exit" - you'll drop back to the previous shell. What you've been doing is launching shells within shells. |
| 17:40.25 | jelly | zealiod: if you have set up multiple i'faces and know how to configure your dhcp to listen and answer on each of those i'faces, that ought to work |
| 17:40.37 | jelly | dhcp _server_ that is |
| 17:40.50 | TheHerbert | jhutchins_lt: thanks |
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| 17:41.30 | wildc4rd | evening all |
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| 17:41.46 | zealiod | jelly: in so much as the scenario here is, I just need to accepts all 802.11q tagged packets, easily - without defining a vlan config for each one, and so then a unique subnet for each one... there's 1200 VLAN tags to accept here... i'm not sure creating a VLAN interface for each one is the way fwd.... |
| 17:42.03 | w1z4rd | wildc4rd, bye, (or hello, I'm not sure ;) ) |
| 17:42.08 | jelly | blinks at 1200 vlan tags |
| 17:42.26 | zealiod | jelly: I'm hoping it's possible to just put all the VLANs in one subnet.... |
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| 17:42.50 | jelly | zealiod: why are you using vlan tagging at all if you want them in one layer3 network? |
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| 17:43.20 | zealiod | jelly: the vlans aren't for data isolation, they are just for room id... |
| 17:43.28 | slingr | ahh |
| 17:43.44 | zealiod | jelly: and I dont have the luxury of change or SNMP |
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| 17:43.58 | jelly | zealiod: a script up a solution to bring those i'faces up |
| 17:44.17 | slingr | you should daisy chain all your switches and enable spanning tree on all of them |
| 17:44.19 | slingr | its fun |
| 17:45.05 | zealiod | I'm more than happy to write a wireshark routine to scrape the VLAN Id at a lower level, but, the NIC wont let traffic through at all.... unless i define the VLAN and give the iface an IP/Subnet |
| 17:45.28 | zealiod | jelly: I'm just looking for a bit of insight if there's a clean way of doing this |
| 17:46.11 | jelly | zealiod: shut down iptables. Your traffic should be coming in and be readable on the physical interface |
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| 17:47.02 | jelly | if it's just ingress you need. But if you want dhcp, you're looking at outbound traffic, so your statements seem a bit contradictory |
| 17:47.43 | jelly | and if you want outbound 802.1q-tagged traffic, then yes you need to set up vlan interfaces |
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| 17:47.58 | zealiod | yes, i do need outbound traffic |
| 17:48.11 | zealiod | can all those interfaces be in one subnet? |
| 17:48.53 | jelly | why? |
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| 17:49.39 | zealiod | jelly: because i hate the idea of configuring 1200 subnets |
| 17:49.52 | jelly | gives zealiod a scripting language and a for loop |
| 17:50.06 | zealiod | jelly: surely its just dumb and heavy too |
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| 17:50.47 | jelly | having 1200 802.1q tags around isn't exactly what I'd call a smart design |
| 17:51.04 | zealiod | jelly: agreed. |
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| 17:51.07 | wp | zealiod: what is the purpose? |
| 17:51.20 | zealiod | wp: hotel captured portal |
| 17:51.35 | zealiod | wp: a big hotel that bills rooms based on useage |
| 17:51.54 | wp | why would you need 1200 dot1q interfaces for that |
| 17:52.00 | jelly | and they keep each room traffic in a separate dot1q vlan |
| 17:52.15 | jelly | because... someone thought that would be fun, I guess |
| 17:52.34 | wp | that someone must be on crack |
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| 17:53.00 | jelly | will test and propose a solution for 85 EUR/hr, 4 hours minimum :-P |
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| 17:53.22 | stew | and a 5 night stay? |
| 17:53.32 | jhutchins_lt | zealiod: Wouldn't be a Hilton, would it? |
| 17:53.39 | Hydroxide | jelly: careful about that kind of offer. eventually someone will accept :) [that's not an unreasonable price for a skilled IT consultant] |
| 17:54.10 | jelly | Hydroxide: I know (and secretly hope so!) |
| 17:54.19 | Hydroxide | hehe |
| 17:54.22 | zealiod | The idea is reasonable, until you scale it up |
| 17:54.24 | Hydroxide | good luck then |
| 17:54.27 | zealiod | someone scaled it up |
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| 17:55.00 | jelly | I've heard something similar a few months back in a different freenode channel |
| 17:55.11 | zealiod | and, if it is true, as people keep telling me (without backing up) that vlans should just work without configuration.... then it would be perfect |
| 17:55.40 | jelly | zealiod: they either sold the "solution" to someone else or left you to fix it, eh? |
| 17:55.54 | zealiod | jelly: who knows |
| 17:56.13 | jelly | it was a hotel with a couple hunnerd vlans as well |
| 17:56.40 | rdw200169 | really?? 1200 Vlans?? *baffled* |
| 17:56.42 | zealiod | shouldn't it be that if no rules are configured then the vlan tagged packet is just treated as though it wasn't tagged? |
| 17:56.52 | zealiod | Its a Sheraton |
| 17:57.22 | jelly | zealiod: ingress, it really works that way at least in some cases -- esp. when 8021q is inactive |
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| 17:58.03 | zealiod | jelly: its a pretty common model, IP3 Networks do it this way too |
| 17:58.10 | jelly | but you want outbound traffic, which means you need to tag it back, which means you need to work with whatever 802.1q support OS gives you |
| 17:58.13 | zealiod | they have sold a shit load of 'solutions' |
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| 17:59.05 | zealiod | jelly: could i go about marking packets with iptables? |
| 17:59.11 | emilsedgh | i cant install any driver for my GPU. issue is, many of them depend on xserver-video-abi-6.0 which is provided by xserver-xorg-core < 2:1.7, but i have 2:1.9 installed from experimental repositories. |
| 17:59.56 | jelly | zealiod: unlikely; dot1q support is hardware assisted |
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| 18:00.20 | rdw200169 | zealiod: if you're doing vlan tagging, that means you've got vlan switches of some sort, which means you're going through and assigning all this mess |
| 18:00.24 | zealiod | jelly: where do you reside - perhaps that hourly rate could be yours |
| 18:00.40 | zealiod | rdw200169: inherited |
| 18:00.58 | rdw200169 | i mean 'someone' had to |
| 18:01.11 | jelly | zealiod: eh, Croatia |
| 18:01.21 | jhutchins_lt | emilsedgh: So... why are you running the experimental xorg in the first place? |
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| 18:01.32 | rdw200169 | thats a lot of expensive switches for a stupid internet connection that probably doesn't even come close to the capable throughput of those switches *what a waste* |
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| 18:02.00 | zealiod | rdw200169: yup $350 a pop |
| 18:02.21 | rdw200169 | why not just do a captive portal with user/generated-pass like most hotels do? |
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| 18:03.43 | rdw200169 | they give you a unique password when you get your room key, and all logging is done via captive portal / RADIUS , blah blah |
| 18:03.44 | jhutchins_lt | rdw200169: Hilton has a dedicated wifi AP and a wired switch in each room. |
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| 18:03.59 | emilsedgh | jhutchins_lt: i've been experiencing X freezes so i thought an upgrade might help |
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| 18:04.09 | emilsedgh | jhutchins_lt: is there any way i can downgrade it? |
| 18:04.16 | jhutchins_lt | emilsedgh: Did you check the changelog? |
| 18:04.35 | rdw200169 | fancy, i never get to live classy like that :( i usually end up having to roam around the room looking for a good signal from one of the (probably) 2 off the shelf routers in the whole hotel |
| 18:04.41 | zealiod_ | rdw200169: PMS integartion |
| 18:04.44 | zealiod_ | *integration |
| 18:04.45 | jhutchins_lt | emilsedgh: I guess you could remove it with dpkg or maybe apt-get - don't use aptitude. |
| 18:04.49 | emilsedgh | jhutchins_lt: no. xorg stack is quite big. |
| 18:05.19 | emilsedgh | thanks, i'll try |
| 18:05.22 | jhutchins_lt | emilsedgh: Then install a working version. There is a reason stable is called stable and testing, unstable, and experimental aren't called "upgrades". |
| 18:05.34 | rdw200169 | zealiod_ exactly |
| 18:05.47 | emilsedgh | jhutchins_lt: i know, im using a lot of stuff from experimental + KDE from trunk |
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| 18:06.05 | zealiod_ | rdw200169: exactly what? |
| 18:06.23 | jhutchins_lt | zealiod_: Is there any point in you pointing out that this solution does NOT scale to 1200 subnets and offering a better suggestion to accomplish the actual goals? |
| 18:06.30 | rdw200169 | zealiod_ here, check this out, this may be what you want: http://www.coova.org/CoovaChilli |
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| 18:07.09 | chouchou | Hello good morning all, how many packages does Debian possess now ? |
| 18:07.24 | chouchou | I am doing some comparattive research about it |
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| 18:07.45 | rdw200169 | zealiod_: note that it *doesn't* require AP |
| 18:07.52 | rdw200169 | zealiod_: thats just a popular option... |
| 18:08.17 | zealiod_ | rdw200169: this would work fine with a two way pms |
| 18:08.25 | zealiod_ | rdw200169: but the client has a one way |
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| 18:08.39 | chouchou | I know 3 years ago it was 40 000 and above, but I don't know the current figure now,. |
| 18:09.17 | zealiod_ | what do you reckon the top figure of subnets is? |
| 18:09.27 | rdw200169 | zealiod_: yeah, i have no idea what PMS is |
| 18:09.53 | zealiod_ | rdw200169: Property Management System |
| 18:10.01 | utilitytrack | chouchou: 2.1. What's new in the distribution? This new release of Debian again comes with a lot more software than its predecessor lenny; the distribution includes over 10352 new packages, for a total of over 29050 packages. http://debian.org/releases/testing/i386/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html |
| 18:10.33 | chouchou | thx |
| 18:11.32 | rdw200169 | zealiod_: fair enough, you could also link the MAC address they use for connecting to the network (i.e. their DHCP request) as the identifier for network access |
| 18:11.59 | jelly | chouchou: are you comparing the number of source packages as well? Those might be more meaningful. |
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| 18:12.25 | chouchou | no, the repositories |
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| 18:12.33 | andrewnemeth | hello |
| 18:12.34 | zealiod_ | right - thanks everyone for contribution - i'm off for a pot noodle |
| 18:12.35 | chouchou | comparig between CentOS and debian |
| 18:12.46 | chouchou | in terms of hosting servers |
| 18:13.07 | andrewnemeth | with the help of debootstrap I successfully installed debian on a seperate partition however how can I remove the old system? (which is on dev/sda1) |
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| 18:14.41 | jelly | andrewnemeth: reformat the partition? |
| 18:15.27 | andrewnemeth | jelly: how about removing? |
| 18:15.27 | andrewnemeth | jelly: will the system boot? |
| 18:16.02 | jelly | andrewnemeth: it ought to, all other things left unchanged. You would be without the first primary partition, but Linux doesn't mind. |
| 18:16.32 | andrewnemeth | jelly: well I just tried and it doesnt |
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| 18:16.47 | jelly | what doesn't? |
| 18:16.54 | andrewnemeth | jelly: we should have a first partition on which the boot records are |
| 18:16.59 | andrewnemeth | jelly: it doesnt boot up |
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| 18:17.45 | jelly | andrewnemeth: how does it not boot up? What tool did you use to remove the partition, and did you verify it didn't renumber all the remaining ones? |
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| 18:18.55 | andrewnemeth | jelly: with fdisk and it doesnt renumber even if its renumber sda1 which we removed sda2 is swap and sda3 is the new root so swap would be the first partition which is bad and the system cant boot from it |
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| 18:20.01 | jelly | andrewnemeth: how does it not boot (what exact messages do you get)? Which boot loader are you using and which debian release? |
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| 18:20.27 | andrewnemeth | grub and debian 5 lenny (sid) and it just get me into the boot prompt |
| 18:20.33 | andrewnemeth | actually |
| 18:20.35 | jmd | How can I find out which xfont- package I need to display a particular codepoint? |
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| 18:21.56 | andrewnemeth | jelly: actually after the new debian system booting up there is nothing in /boot folder so it uses the old system's boot files. I just moved the boot folder from the old system to the new partiton ran update-grub and it should work then |
| 18:22.08 | andrewnemeth | jelly: but after removing the old partition it doesnt boot up |
| 18:22.16 | andrewnemeth | jelly: did I do something wrong? |
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| 18:22.42 | jelly | andrewnemeth: what do you mean, nothing in /boot folder? |
| 18:22.58 | andrewnemeth | jelly: I mean its empty on the newly installed debian system |
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| 18:23.53 | jelly | andrewnemeth: that's highly unlikely. Is there a possibility you accidentally used the first, now nonexistent partition as your /boot partition when you were installing? |
| 18:24.30 | jelly | andrewnemeth: if you have a bootable livecd handy, boot it, mount your debian system somewhere and inspect the contents of etc/fstab |
| 18:24.43 | andrewnemeth | jelly: no I didnt have a /boot partition |
| 18:24.50 | jelly | that will point to any errorneous usage of /dev/sda1 |
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| 18:25.00 | andrewnemeth | jelly: well |
| 18:25.06 | jelly | andrewnemeth: /boot can't get empty on its own |
| 18:25.13 | andrewnemeth | jelly: do you have a minute? just we together?:D |
| 18:25.19 | jelly | no, use the channel. |
| 18:25.23 | andrewnemeth | eh |
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| 18:25.43 | andrewnemeth | should I paste the root details here?:) |
| 18:25.47 | jmd | Ahh. That sounded romantic for a moment. |
| 18:25.51 | andrewnemeth | to take a look:pp |
| 18:25.52 | jelly | !paste |
| 18:25.52 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 18:25.55 | andrewnemeth | hehe |
| 18:25.57 | andrewnemeth | yeah |
| 18:26.30 | jelly | jmd: I'm more of a whore that way... private sessions are on an hourly rate |
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| 18:26.49 | andrewnemeth | yeah |
| 18:26.51 | andrewnemeth | 50usd? |
| 18:26.53 | andrewnemeth | right? |
| 18:26.56 | andrewnemeth | I know that |
| 18:26.56 | andrewnemeth | :P |
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| 18:27.11 | jelly | that's only if I like you |
| 18:27.15 | andrewnemeth | hehe |
| 18:27.16 | jmd | jelly, But group sessions are free? |
| 18:27.22 | andrewnemeth | :D:D |
| 18:27.22 | jelly | USD's gone down |
| 18:27.36 | andrewnemeth | how many can you handle? |
| 18:27.37 | Xanbreon | winkwink |
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| 18:27.39 | andrewnemeth | 1-2-3-4-5? |
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| 18:28.11 | Xanbreon | Dont spread jelly to thin or it doesnt taste as good! ;) |
| 18:28.57 | andrewnemeth | jelly: so basically if the system doesnt find anything bootable on the first parttition will it check for the others? |
| 18:29.08 | andrewnemeth | (for the other partitions) |
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| 18:29.11 | ruben | Hello |
| 18:29.16 | andrewnemeth | hey |
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| 18:29.28 | jelly | andrewnemeth: the boot manager doesn't care about "first partition", it reads what it's configured to. |
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| 18:30.43 | Guest61020 | I have a very weird problem, I have an asus eee pc using debian squeeze, my synaptics touchpad works perfect only if I boot with mouse connected, if not, it goes totally crazy, any idea about this? still works if i remove the mouse after starting with mouse, but not works if there is no mouse present at boot. |
| 18:30.43 | TheThing|boysex | THE GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA WANTS YOU TO ASK YOU, ARE YOU CHATTING HARD OR HARDLY CHATTING? IRC.HARDCHATS.COM MIGHT BE FOR YOU! /JOIN #GNAA !!!GO NIGGER!!! TheThing|boysex play4_ _Dude_ sayanriju Guest61020 ungage amphi MartyD guikubivan phaer CyberGabber Zhonghua shadow` homecable EagleScreen hochron KittyKatt SPF TJCRI XayOn_ leni andrewnemeth lonely NickyP chmig chouchou Apeiron` Tuxist zealiod_ aguitel pikudoz1 babilen f8l cRAT Absint |
| 18:30.44 | TheThing|boysex | THE GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA WANTS YOU TO ASK YOU, ARE YOU CHATTING HARD OR HARDLY CHATTING? IRC.HARDCHATS.COM MIGHT BE FOR YOU! /JOIN #GNAA !!!GO NIGGER!!! elkclone noodles900ch Biolunar somiaj derchris geekpunk magnet tensorpudding Gilde Chell Tigger__ Guest69635 themill Infin1ty quiritius sansen jas4711 shylent k- [FB]Chris dzup2 greycat Xanbreon utilitytrack chaisen badland Guest69594 Guest69585 Guest69567 osfd Zeit|awy bier ceduardo w |
| 18:30.47 | andrewnemeth | lol |
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| 18:31.00 | elkclone | cawkliker |
| 18:31.05 | amphi | it's so last millenium⦠|
| 18:31.05 | krisfremen | again? |
| 18:31.06 | jelly | andrewnemeth: however, it's quite possible grub enumerates existing partitions starting from 0, instead of using the fixed positions in the partition table |
| 18:31.20 | ruben-eepc | I have a very weird problem, I have an asus eee pc using debian squeeze, my synaptics touchpad works perfect only if I boot with mouse connected, if not, it goes totally crazy, any idea about this? still works if i remove the mouse after starting with mouse, but not works if there is no mouse present at boot. thanks peoeple |
| 18:31.52 | jelly | andrewnemeth: if that is the case, and you can get to a boot prompt, you can boot the system manually |
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| 18:32.12 | jelly | er... grub prompt, not boot prompt |
| 18:32.20 | andrewnemeth | jelly: hm |
| 18:32.31 | andrewnemeth | lets see |
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| 18:33.01 | jelly | (just tell it to root (hd0,1) instead of previous (hd0,2), and see if ls / shows the correct filesystem) |
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| 18:33.08 | andrewnemeth | so sda1 is 0 then sda2 will be 0 and sda3 will be 1 |
| 18:33.10 | andrewnemeth | right? |
| 18:33.16 | andrewnemeth | right |
| 18:33.18 | andrewnemeth | let me see |
| 18:34.05 | jelly | for the kernel keep root=/dev/sda3 boot param, and don't forget initrd |
| 18:34.15 | chouchou | I am bored, I am fed up,, I am getting crazy |
| 18:34.21 | chouchou | I wan to change my decision |
| 18:34.31 | andrewnemeth | jelly: kk |
| 18:34.35 | chouchou | I want to throw my windows 7 PC away and wiant to set up Debian |
| 18:34.37 | chouchou | what do you think " |
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| 18:34.40 | chouchou | ? |
| 18:34.50 | andrewnemeth | do it! |
| 18:34.57 | chouchou | however there are lot of applications I am wondering if I can get it on debian |
| 18:34.58 | amphi | chouchou: good idea! |
| 18:35.04 | ruben-eepc | any idea about my synaptics problem? looks very very rare |
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| 18:35.18 | chouchou | such as autocad, dreamweaver, photoshop, nusphere phped |
| 18:35.26 | andrewnemeth | wine |
| 18:35.27 | andrewnemeth | :p |
| 18:35.33 | chouchou | ah, ok, |
| 18:35.43 | chouchou | how is wine stable on Debian ? |
| 18:36.15 | Xanbreon | wine is oldd in Debian |
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| 18:36.27 | amphi | chouchou: depends how you use these things; gimp may do all you need photoshop for; there are various CAD programs for linux, but only you can say whether they do what you need |
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| 18:36.33 | jelly | chouchou: there are no guarantees any software will run well enough. If you need all of those for your work, there's no realistic alternative but to keep the existing Windows OS |
| 18:36.49 | andrewnemeth | macintosh |
| 18:37.03 | chouchou | I am thinking about buying another PC for this, |
| 18:37.11 | chouchou | macintosh is a bit expensive |
| 18:37.15 | chouchou | I can't afford it yet, |
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| 18:37.20 | andrewnemeth | the software is not |
| 18:37.27 | andrewnemeth | just have to hack a bit |
| 18:37.27 | jelly | andrewnemeth: that requires either paying extra, or reinstalling the original Mac OS X that comes with it |
| 18:37.28 | andrewnemeth | :p |
| 18:37.38 | chouchou | can macintosh software be installed on debian ? |
| 18:37.43 | jelly | no. |
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| 18:37.49 | andrewnemeth | no |
| 18:37.51 | chouchou | ok |
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| 18:38.16 | chouchou | I am having a burning sensasion of formatting my PC and install debian on it |
| 18:38.24 | jelly | visit a doctor |
| 18:38.31 | chouchou | lol |
| 18:38.32 | Xanbreon | Soothing ointment |
| 18:38.38 | g0rd0n | i have a directory containing some subdirectories and .tar.gz backup files, and want to "sync" them with an ftp server... rsync is not a possibility unfortunately, i have to use ftp. is there some nice utility that makes this prossible with a single command or something? |
| 18:38.41 | chouchou | or buying a new PC and make it a debian based PC |
| 18:38.45 | g0rd0n | in an automated, cron-way |
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| 18:40.48 | petemc | g0rd0n: if you dont find anyting that uses ftp directly, you could perhaps use something like curlftpfs and rsync |
| 18:41.22 | chouchou | I was expecting to see a smooth GUI like how windows 7 is. why debian doesn't have some thing like that? |
| 18:41.23 | g0rd0n | petemc: i just found a handy script here: http://serverfault.com/questions/24622/how-to-use-rsync-over-ftp/24833#24833 using lftp |
| 18:41.32 | g0rd0n | chouchou: get ubuntu |
| 18:41.32 | petemc | cool |
| 18:41.48 | dclarke | Has there been an update for lenny regarding cve-2010-3847 and Debian Bug report logs - #600667 at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=600667 ? |
| 18:41.49 | chouchou | I have Ubuntu VM installed, but |
| 18:42.07 | chouchou | in fact I have been dreaming of debian before coming in conact with ubuntu |
| 18:42.15 | g0rd0n | :) |
| 18:42.33 | Xanbreon | Ubuntu meta packages annoy me, and I dont like all the ui crap they add |
| 18:42.35 | andrewnemeth | jelly: still here? |
| 18:42.36 | IanWizard | g00se, weex |
| 18:42.47 | IanWizard | g00se, sry, wrong person |
| 18:42.51 | IanWizard | g0rd0n, weex |
| 18:42.59 | g0rd0n | it's a matter of taste i suppose... i personally use debian on servers and prefer ubuntu when it comes to gui stuff |
| 18:43.11 | g0rd0n | IanWizard: what? |
| 18:43.25 | g0rd0n | oh i see :) |
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| 18:43.44 | IanWizard | g0rd0n, :) |
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| 18:44.43 | chouchou | so which one do you recommend ? ubuntu or debian ? |
| 18:44.58 | rhys | its #debian. what do you think? |
| 18:45.03 | g0rd0n | ehhe |
| 18:45.13 | jelly | andrewnemeth: no, in process of becoming jelly-home |
| 18:45.21 | g0rd0n | chouchou: if you want fancy graphics etc. i would probably go with ubuntu 10.10 |
| 18:45.23 | IanWizard | chouchou, debian, if you want better performance, and a leaner (in a good way) system |
| 18:45.45 | g0rd0n | i kind of sense that people are starting to hate me here :) |
| 18:45.58 | chouchou | well, not a fancysm yet, just better peformances, desktop switching and all those stuffs |
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| 18:46.29 | chouchou | anything good for programming, desining, developing |
| 18:47.36 | rhys | .... linux is linux is linux is linux. Every piece of software must be evaluated on its own merits. when you evaluate debian, you are measuring the quality of the software packaging and the packaging system. |
| 18:47.47 | Xanbreon | I <3 apt |
| 18:48.07 | rhys | The maintainers are the best there are. period. Canonical does some dumb shit, but they often do it faster than debian. |
| 18:48.24 | rhys | on the other hand, its usually easier if debian gives you most of what you want to just roll your own few pieces of software. |
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| 18:51.32 | amphi | chouchou: you could dual boot for a while, or try debian in a VM |
| 18:51.55 | rhys | So. the amanda package is at 3.1.0 in unstable, and ubuntu 10.10 pulls from that build |
| 18:51.57 | chouchou | ok, |
| 18:52.16 | chouchou | can I play 3D games in Debian ? |
| 18:52.32 | rhys | I need a 3.2.0 package, the problem being when I run "apt-get source" for amanda, I get a source directory and a .diff which includes all changes the maintainer made to amanda. |
| 18:52.42 | rhys | chouchou, in "linux" yes. |
| 18:52.57 | chouchou | ok |
| 18:53.01 | rhys | chouchou, to play 3D games is multiple pieces of software from multiple groups. |
| 18:53.17 | jelly | and selected hardware |
| 18:53.28 | chouchou | ok, now tell me in which way does ubuntu differes from debian ? |
| 18:54.22 | rhys | chouchou, ubuntu is really just a specific roll of debian unstable, with some small modifications you will probably never notice. Canonical does alot for you, and makes alot of choices for you, for good or bad. |
| 18:54.51 | abrotman | this channel is not for ubuntu vs debian, take it somewhere else |
| 18:54.51 | rhys | Canonical basically acts as a secondary system integrator. They polish the product. |
| 18:55.03 | rhys | sigh @ abrotman |
| 18:55.03 | chouchou | ok |
| 18:55.08 | abrotman | Thank you |
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| 18:55.19 | abrotman | you can use #debian-offtopic if you must have that discussion |
| 18:55.28 | themill | ##linux would be better |
| 18:55.33 | jargon- | my network manager applet disappeared. rebooted twice now |
| 18:55.36 | jargon- | can't connect to wifi. connected to wired and it's still missing from tray |
| 18:55.39 | dclarke | perhaps I missed the reponse .. I'll ask again |
| 18:55.40 | jargon- | statler a2 |
| 18:55.41 | dclarke | Has there been an update for lenny regarding cve-2010-3847 and Debian Bug report logs - #600667 at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=600667 ? |
| 18:55.45 | jargon- | how do i get it back? |
| 18:55.47 | jargon- | openbox |
| 18:55.49 | jelly | dpkg: listkeys debian vs |
| 18:55.50 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'debian vs' by key (3): #debian debian vs ubuntu ;; #debian vsftpd ;; #debian vserver. |
| 18:55.54 | abrotman | !tell dclarke about tracker of doom |
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| 18:56.29 | jhutchins_lt | jargon-: run the applet. For me it's knetworkmanger. |
| 18:56.30 | jelly | abrotman: try to make the bot display that "debian vs ubuntu" thing, I'm quite unable to! |
| 18:56.32 | rhys | chouchou, also, most of debian users are pretty angry at ubuntu. abrotman has been angry for a very long time. |
| 18:57.00 | chouchou | lol |
| 18:57.10 | dclarke | abrotman: thank you ! |
| 18:57.19 | themill | jelly: that factoid doesn't actually exist |
| 18:57.32 | chouchou | ok, well I will buy a new PC for it |
| 18:57.38 | chouchou | specially Debian :) |
| 18:57.44 | jelly | themill: why! |
| 18:57.44 | abrotman | rhys: i'm not angry .. it's offtopic here .. do NOT put words in my mouth |
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| 18:58.12 | themill | rhys: nonsense. It's just not a constructive conversation to have at all and definitely a boring one to keep having again and again. |
| 18:58.50 | jhutchins_lt | rhys: I don't think anybody's mad "at ubuntu". Several of us are frustrated by ubuntu users asking for and even demanding support here. |
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| 18:59.44 | Aim_Here | Maybe we should get angry at Ubuntu |
| 18:59.46 | rhys | Very very understandable. I am not consistently anywhere, so maybe I don't see it. I just know of abrotman ripping into any ubuntu talk for around 5 years now. |
| 18:59.59 | rhys | its rather hilarious. wish i kept logs |
| 19:00.12 | Bop | anyone with asus eeepc 901 ? |
| 19:00.18 | abrotman | it's not funny, it's offtopic .. take it elsewhere .. end of discussion |
| 19:00.26 | jhutchins_lt | Bop: There's a whole page devoted to debian on eeepc's. |
| 19:00.29 | jhutchins_lt | !eeepc |
| 19:00.29 | dpkg | The Eee PC (aka RM ASUS Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by ASUS. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> which is not supported in #debian, join #eeepc on irc.freenode.net for support. To install Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC for installation and configuration details. See also <atl2>, <atl1c>. Mailing list: http://alioth.debian.org/mail/?group_id=31309 #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net. |
| 19:00.39 | Bop | jhutchins_lt, i need info , not about linux |
| 19:00.55 | rhys | i really don't want to be banned, as i have some issues with the debian package guidelines, but abrotman, u mad bro? |
| 19:00.55 | jhutchins_lt | http://www.asususa.com |
| 19:01.20 | abrotman | rhys: no, just stay on topic .. ubuntu is not related to the topic, at all |
| 19:01.21 | jargon- | jhutchins_lt: hmm. don't know what mine's called |
| 19:01.37 | jelly | jhutchins_lt: they should have made the hostname bit moc to keep the fqdn a palindrome |
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| 19:02.08 | jelly | ah! moc.asususa.com has address 208.73.210.29 |
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| 19:02.30 | jhutchins_lt | <snicker> |
| 19:02.32 | jelly | :-D |
| 19:02.56 | jhutchins_lt | Back to the truck... |
| 19:04.23 | stew | rhys: what do you mean by package guidelines? what issues? |
| 19:05.37 | hochron | anyone in here use tightvnc? |
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| 19:07.00 | rhys | stew, the amanda package is downloaded via apt-get source into a source package and a single diff that applies to multiple files. The maintainer has done alot of changes, but because of some bugs that haven't been fixed, i need to upgrade to 3.2 |
| 19:07.22 | rhys | the package guidelines mention quilt, but i still have no idea how to split his single patch into multiple patches |
| 19:07.29 | rhys | so i can try to integrate them into an updated source tree |
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| 19:08.38 | rhys | hes patched multiple files. I want to make his patch multiple patches, preferably 1 per file. |
| 19:08.50 | jargon- | hmm. i've installed wicd. rebooted. and still nothing in the tray |
| 19:08.53 | themill | rhys: which package btw? |
| 19:09.13 | rhys | themill, amanda is the source package for amanda-server, amanda-common, and amanda-client |
| 19:09.49 | stew | rhys: it doesn't really change much outside of the debian/ directory, seems quite managable to split by hand |
| 19:10.25 | stew | changes 11 files, of them most are only 1 or 2 lines changed |
| 19:11.17 | themill | rhys: that package is using the old packaging format that doesn't necessarily use quilt (as this one doesn't). |
| 19:11.23 | stew | rhys: uhh, if you really take that answer as a "fuck you" then i'll stop. sorry to bother you |
| 19:12.36 | rhys | stew, separate. the reaction by debian to any mention of a nearly identical software system is one discussion, my issues with amanda are another. |
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| 19:13.21 | rhys | themill, i noticed the maintainer marked a package policy version. there is more than 1 format? |
| 19:14.01 | themill | dpkg: tell rhys about debsrc3.0 |
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| 19:16.05 | themill | rhys: Have a look at the patchutils package for some utilities to help split up patches -- although this is perfectly editable by hand if needs be. Also spend some time working with the debian maintainer here to find out what bits he considers to be useful to you and what bits he does not. |
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| 19:17.12 | rhys | themill, i have been putting off taking up .deb* maintenance for a very long time because of the massive policy document. I'll take a look at this. |
| 19:18.30 | themill | rhys: one of the reasons why debian is a good distribution is that care is taken in package preparation. Part of this care is documenting how package should interact with each other. |
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| 19:20.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, do you know how one is supposed to get a kernel core dump of the debian kernel? |
| 19:21.16 | hochron | how do you tell what package is installed again? |
| 19:21.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg -l |
| 19:21.34 | dpkg | CutMeOwnThroat: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 19:21.35 | stew | hochron: aptitude search ~i |
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| 19:21.52 | hochron | thanks stew! |
| 19:21.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | shaddup, dpkg |
| 19:21.58 | stew | or dpkg -l | grep '^.i' |
| 19:22.24 | rhys | themill, while true, doesn't make that document any smaller to dig through. |
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| 19:27.57 | bla | How does Debian initrd detect that drive is encrypted? |
| 19:28.16 | bla | If I create a device (rootfs) with cryptosetup will this initrd detect it and mount? |
| 19:30.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | the installer seems to have some options for that |
| 19:31.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps that gets you started |
| 19:31.57 | bla | I can't use installer. ;s |
| 19:31.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | !encrypted partition |
| 19:31.58 | dpkg | Encryption is useful to keep data protected on your system. There is a nice guide on how to use LVM encrypted partitions at http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/469 . See also <dm-crypt>, <encfs>, <gpg>, <luks>. |
| 19:32.21 | bla | But I know; I have one system installed automatically with it; just I can't find anything suspicious in grub configuration |
| 19:32.27 | bla | that's why I wonder if it will just work. |
| 19:32.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I dunno, easy enough to lose your data without encryption,and I keep forgetting pass-phrases, so I avoid it as I can |
| 19:33.07 | bla | I'll see this article. There might be something interesting. |
| 19:33.11 | bla | Have a backup! :D (Encrypted. ;p) |
| 19:33.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, right |
| 19:33.30 | rhys | Can grub2 boot any of these directly yet? |
| 19:33.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | I have backups, but don't do them often enough... by far |
| 19:33.52 | bla | rhys, I've got encrypted LVM booted with grub2. |
| 19:34.06 | bla | But I think grub2 doesn't really know it's encrypted. |
| 19:34.07 | rhys | bla, so the /boot partition is within lvm? |
| 19:34.10 | bla | He has /boot for himself. |
| 19:34.13 | bla | No. |
| 19:34.14 | rhys | no |
| 19:34.30 | bla | And I doubt it will be possible (or necessary) to do so. |
| 19:34.37 | rhys | it is necessary |
| 19:35.10 | bla | Why? MBR itself will reveal that there's something encrypted. |
| 19:35.20 | bla | And if you like you can keep /boot + MBR on pendrive and remove after booting. |
| 19:35.44 | rhys | bla, thats what i do currently. |
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| 19:36.18 | bla | I guess it's better than having courious looking MBR asking for password. |
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| 19:36.33 | bla | BTW. what algorithm do you use? (aes, serpent, twofish, other?) |
| 19:36.48 | rhys | aes |
| 19:37.18 | abrotman | bluefish! Redfish! |
| 19:37.25 | krisfremen | blowfish |
| 19:37.27 | bla | I want to have encrypted virtual machine built in a way which will prevent dom0 to access data. |
| 19:37.50 | bla | Therefore I guess I won't have anything which really shows there's something encrypted. I guess. |
| 19:37.52 | valdyn | bla: im sure the crypto package of your choice has some documentation how it supports encrypted / |
| 19:37.54 | rhys | bla, don't think thats...possible |
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| 19:38.34 | bla | dom0 of course has access to memory which plainly make it possible to attack. But it's something I'm okay with. |
| 19:38.41 | rhys | bla, bluepill as far as i know is an attack to break just about everything. |
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| 19:39.44 | bla | Like placing something in ring0 before system? |
| 19:39.44 | rhys | hmm. i thought blue pill was the thing that virtualized a system. and doing that got access to everything |
| 19:40.09 | bla | I even was lucky to be on a lecture of Rutkowska when she described this system. |
| 19:40.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought blue pill was from "The Matrix" |
| 19:40.24 | rhys | CutMeOwnThroat, thats what the joke is about |
| 19:40.29 | valdyn | !blue pill |
| 19:40.31 | valdyn | oo |
| 19:40.46 | greycat | "little blue pill" is also a reference to Viagra, but "the blue pill" would be The Matrix. |
| 19:40.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | rhys, that's what I feared.... |
| 19:40.51 | rhys | :D |
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| 19:41.33 | bla | In case of any problems I guess I'll just make initrd for this task. |
| 19:41.39 | valdyn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Pill_%28malware%29 |
| 19:43.14 | Soothsayer | i'm confused as to which debian package I should be downloading if I want to learn how to setup/manage a dedicated server? Right now I'm planning to only use it in my vmware and try it out thoroughly |
| 19:43.29 | bla | Soothsayer, install with netinst. |
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| 19:43.44 | bla | Soothsayer, small cd or USB image. |
| 19:43.44 | rhys | tasksel? |
| 19:43.44 | valdyn | Soothsayer: why any specific debian package? |
| 19:43.55 | greycat | Do a minimal net install and then install the specific packages you need. |
| 19:43.58 | Soothsayer | valdyn: i meant debian iso* |
| 19:44.07 | bla | BTW. Installation with netbooting is COOL. I can install debian on any machine in my LAN by simply requesting a network booting. |
| 19:44.15 | Soothsayer | so I should be downloading the i386 at http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst ? |
| 19:44.24 | valdyn | Soothsayer: yea |
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| 19:46.57 | Soothsayer | wait |
| 19:47.04 | Soothsayer | i should be getting the amd64 instead right ? |
| 19:47.13 | greycat | Depends on your hardware and what you intend to do. |
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| 19:47.37 | Soothsayer | presently on a inte core 2 quad and the future web server will be an i7 |
| 19:48.30 | greycat | amd64 is the "64-bit" version, and i386 is the "32-bit" version. |
| 19:49.25 | Soothsayer | ye thought so |
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| 19:49.43 | hochron | ok, I installed tightvnc 1.2.9 from an rpm... I want to make the sources for 1.3.10, aptitude does not show that tightvnc is installed. I would like the link to building from sources the debian way, and help removing 1.2.9 from my system |
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| 19:50.43 | greycat | if you installed it with rpm, you can probably remove it with rpm |
| 19:51.44 | hochron | ok do you know the link for building from sources the debian way? |
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| 19:52.42 | greycat | ,versions tightvncserver |
| 19:52.43 | judd | Package tightvncserver on i386 -- etch: 1.2.9-21; lenny: 1.3.9-4; sid: 1.3.9-6.1+b1; squeeze: 1.3.9-6.1+b1 |
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| 19:53.01 | greycat | Looks like there *aren't* any Debianized 1.3.10 sources yet. |
| 19:53.22 | greycat | By the way, if you're still on etch, you should upgade to lenny. |
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| 19:53.39 | greycat | Support for etch ended half a year ago, at least. |
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| 19:54.06 | Python1320 | LOLU |
| 19:54.08 | hochron | hmmm, I got lenny. the problem is the tightvnc on one co |
| 19:54.20 | dob1 | hi, hope this is not off-topic: i have debian pc (no monitor, no keyboard) and a windows pc, what are the safe alternatives to work on my home directory from my windows pc ? not ssh, i was thinking to "mount" the home directory on windows |
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| 19:54.37 | rhys | lol |
| 19:54.37 | hochron | computer here, the input is screwed up |
| 19:54.41 | greycat | Is 1.3.9 good enough, or does it really have to be 1.3.10 |
| 19:54.57 | dob1 | webdav maybe? |
| 19:55.03 | greycat | dob1: if it's just file-sharing that you want, then you want samba. |
| 19:55.05 | hochron | if it fixes my problem 1.3.9 is fine |
| 19:55.07 | shylent | so a typical debian pc doesn't have neither a monitor, nor a keyboard? :P |
| 19:55.14 | greycat | !tell hochron about ssb |
| 19:55.16 | TheHerbert | i installed debian for testing on a small machine. i then want to backup the whole system, when i configure it the way i want it to be. any simple solutions for this? i thought about "tar"ing the whole disk, save it to s usb drive, and overwirite it later via knoppix when needed ... good? |
| 19:55.19 | Xanbreon | God dam, of all the 900~ people in this chan it keeps nick alerting me |
| 19:55.20 | Xanbreon | >> |
| 19:55.20 | shylent | are those devices not supported in debian then? |
| 19:55.39 | stew | lenny has 1.3.9, so perhaps no need to even backport |
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| 19:56.02 | dob1 | greycat: samba is encrypted? |
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| 19:56.07 | hochron | how do I go about installing, hmm ok I will do more work |
| 19:56.09 | greycat | um.... not by default. |
| 19:56.10 | _ke | what is the best way to get a list of all installed applications from a single repository? |
| 19:56.16 | greycat | I don't really know samba in depth, though. |
| 19:56.41 | stew | _ke: what do you mean by "from a single repository"? you mean "the one I downloaded the pacakge from"? |
| 19:56.48 | greycat | I don't think Debian tracks which repository a package "came from". |
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| 19:57.02 | greycat | Once it's installed, it's simply installed. |
| 19:57.11 | themill | _ke: what are you really wanting to know? |
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| 19:57.24 | Xanbreon | It does know where stuff was installed from |
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| 19:57.41 | stew | Xanbreon: no, it knows where it is available from now, not where it came from originally |
| 19:58.16 | _ke | stew, themill i need to remove all packages that came from a specific repo |
| 19:58.28 | Xanbreon | I suppose I wouldnt know the diff here |
| 19:58.33 | themill | _ke: please be more verbose so we can help you. Which specific repo? |
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| 19:59.07 | _ke | themill, ;) i have a local repository inside the network, and now i want to remove all packages that came from that repository |
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| 19:59.26 | stew | Xanbreon: if you have foopackage version 1.0 installed, we can check if foopackage version 1.0 is currently available from any of your current repos, but that doesn't mean that this is the one you used when installing it |
| 19:59.47 | rhys | stew, lsdiff. amazing how quick that massive patch gets managable. thanks. |
| 19:59.58 | Xanbreon | stew: okies, that makes sense, thanks for the info! |
| 20:00.03 | _ke | stew, it probably is, because there are only custom packages in that repo |
| 20:00.19 | aarkerio | hi! I am using LXDE as desktop, I installed compiz to replace openbox as window manger but now I lost multimedia hotkeys |
| 20:00.24 | themill | _ke: you can match various attributes of the repository if you have set your repo up correctly. See the output of "apt-cache policy" will show you these bits of information and then "aptitude remove" can take search patterns (/msg dpkg aptitude search) |
| 20:00.37 | _ke | themill, ok, thanks |
| 20:00.38 | aarkerio | need I configure compiz? |
| 20:01.10 | stew | _ke: is it a repository that uniformly appends somehting to the version string? for instance, you can find debian backports by their "bpo" in their version string, or dotdeb pacakges by "dotdeb" in their version string |
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| 20:01.46 | _ke | stew, unfortunately no, but the package is unique and can't be found in other repositories |
| 20:01.55 | hochron | I dont even have rpm installed on here.... is it possible that I just copied vncviewer into my usr directory? |
| 20:02.06 | hochron | whatever I did it worked |
| 20:02.08 | themill | _ke: other things you can might give useful output -- /msg dmm list ; /msg dpkg which repo |
| 20:02.22 | greycat | If you simply copied files around, then you will need to remove them by hand. |
| 20:02.37 | hochron | ok, that helps |
| 20:03.50 | frikinz | _ke: get the md5sum from /var/lib and then fetch Packages.gz from your local repo and compare .. |
| 20:04.25 | jargon- | in autostart.sh i see it starts nm-applet,but nothing's in the tray. and `nm-applet` show command not found |
| 20:04.28 | jargon- | and this is all after safe-upgrade |
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| 20:09.53 | qorep | hug me :( ubuntu is being mean, added a ppa repository and I think they put it in gconf or something it's not in sources.list I just came here for sanity |
| 20:10.11 | hochron | hey greycat: I have an entry for backports in my sources.list but no deb-src entry, do I need to add one? |
| 20:10.39 | greycat | Depends on whether someone has actually created a lenny backport of it. |
| 20:10.49 | greycat | The "ssb" instructions are for packages that are not in lenny-backports. |
| 20:11.10 | stew | hochron: you are trying to get 1.3.9 on lenny/ |
| 20:11.16 | hochron | yes |
| 20:11.32 | stew | judd: info tightvnc --release lenny |
| 20:11.35 | judd | No record of package 'tightvnc' in lenny/i386. |
| 20:11.52 | greycat | "tightvncserver" is the pkg name |
| 20:12.05 | stew | judd: info tightvncserver --release lenny |
| 20:12.07 | judd | Package tightvncserver (x11, optional) in lenny/i386: virtual network computing server software. Version: 1.3.9-4; Size: 693.1k; Installed: 1432k |
| 20:12.15 | stew | so this would not require a backport |
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| 20:12.19 | hochron | that will give me vncviewer? |
| 20:12.28 | greycat | xtightvncviewer is a different package |
| 20:12.33 | hochron | thats the client |
| 20:12.36 | greycat | try "apt-cache search tight vnc" |
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| 20:13.36 | hochron | already did, but I thought installing tightvncserver would only give me the server |
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| 20:14.33 | hochron | I search for vncviewer but that gave me that result |
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| 20:14.36 | cosmos2 | hello |
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| 20:14.48 | cosmos2 | I need some ssh advices |
| 20:15.41 | bla | cosmos2, ? |
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| 20:15.41 | bla | You need to state your questions. |
| 20:15.59 | cosmos2 | I try to copy files from an emulated os(qemu) to debian but I always get : Permission Denied when I type "scp ;;;;3 |
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| 20:16.30 | cosmos2 | "scp..." |
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| 20:16.53 | TheHerbert | on a desktopless debian, where would i find a recently plugged in usb stick? it's not showing up in /media ... i guess this is not how it works =) |
| 20:16.54 | greycat | Do you need basic information about file permissions, or what? |
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| 20:17.13 | cosmos2 | So do you know the exact order of instructions I have to type after scp? Maybe I miss something |
| 20:17.27 | greycat | scp myfile desthost:/some/directory |
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| 20:17.42 | bbd | TheHerbert: maybe it's not formated or filesystem not recognized or any other problem you can lookup in 'dmesg' |
| 20:18.23 | hochron | so how do I get 1.3.9-4 vncviewer? |
| 20:19.13 | stew | hochron: aptitude install xtightvncviewer |
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| 20:19.18 | hochron | should I just try the tightvncsever package? |
| 20:19.23 | hochron | ok |
| 20:19.31 | bla | cosmos2, check permissions first. |
| 20:19.47 | cosmos2 | greycat: how to know my desthost, same like on terminal (ex:userATdomain?) |
| 20:20.18 | stew | TheHerbert: unless you installed somehting which would mount that automatically, you'd have to manually mount it ; "dmesg | tail" would probably give you a device name after plugging it in |
| 20:20.20 | greycat | cosmos2: yes, username@hostname:/directory |
| 20:20.22 | cosmos2 | bla: I m already connected to the guest, which permissions? |
| 20:20.40 | stew | TheHerbert: halevt is a package which might automount for you without needing a desktop environment |
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| 20:21.04 | TheHerbert | thanks stew and bbd ... i'll try that right now |
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| 20:22.39 | cosmos2 | greycat: ssh: Could not resolve hostname <myhostname>: Name or service not known lost connection |
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| 20:24.04 | cosmos2 | greycat: I assume well typing my host name |
| 20:24.22 | TheHerbert | stew: it says "[12366.905088] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Attached SCSI removable disk" and abunch of other stuff ... which is the ID now? |
| 20:24.27 | greycat | cosmos2: the hostname has to be defined in DNS or in /etc/hosts or similar. |
| 20:24.34 | andrewnemeth | guys why is that I got the grub prompt every time I reboot the server but if I do configfile menu.lst I can choose the correct os and its booting fine |
| 20:24.42 | greycat | cosmos2: or, I suppose, in ~/.ssh/config but that would be very unusual |
| 20:24.44 | andrewnemeth | also that kernel and os has been set for default |
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| 20:26.09 | cosmos2 | greycat: I m on localhost |
| 20:26.32 | greycat | If you're asking how a VM guest communicates with the VM host, I have no idea. |
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| 20:27.06 | greycat | You can use an IP address instead of a hostname, if that helps you. |
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| 20:27.53 | cosmos2 | greycat: my host is a Debian(Lenny) and my guest is a Qemu emulated Armel debian |
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| 20:28.27 | cosmos2 | greycat: and I m logged trough ssh on the guest |
| 20:28.30 | jhutchins_lt | cosmos2: How's that going? |
| 20:28.36 | jhutchins_lt | w00t! |
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| 20:29.29 | cosmos2 | jhutchins_lt:? |
| 20:29.32 | hochron | I fixed my problem with tightvnc by installing 1.2.9 on this windows box, thank you for your help! |
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| 20:33.55 | cosmos2 | Why do I need a password to connect to my usernameATlocalhost??? |
| 20:34.29 | cosmos2 | Why my username password is invalid? |
| 20:34.44 | cosmos2 | Permission denied |
| 20:35.25 | jelly-home | cosmos2: the answer to the former question, because Debian is a multiuser system |
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| 20:36.39 | cosmos2 | jelly-home: so what do I have to do in order to transfer a file from my emulated Armel debian to my /home? |
| 20:37.00 | cosmos2 | I m a little lost... |
| 20:39.24 | jelly-home | cosmos2: does networking between the host and the guest work? |
| 20:39.33 | cosmos2 | yes |
| 20:40.03 | jelly-home | cosmos2: what's the ip of the guest? |
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| 20:40.27 | cosmos2 | 127.0.1.1 |
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| 20:41.17 | jelly-home | cosmos2: that's not a real ip, all 127.x.x.x points to the loopback device on the very same machine. Set up a proper (if emulated) interface |
| 20:41.23 | Lukemob | hello, I've a problem.. when running a command: scp IP1 root@IP1:.ssh/known_hosts it asks me for a password and then shows: IP1 : No such file or directory |
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| 20:42.29 | jelly-home | Lukemob: that command tries to copy the local file "IP1" to the remote machine. |
| 20:42.32 | dkr | Lukemob: you are trying to scp a file named IP1 to the machine named IP1 |
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| 20:42.57 | jelly-home | Lukemob: verify existence of said local file |
| 20:43.33 | cosmos2 | jelly-home: how to set a proper one? |
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| 20:43.54 | jelly-home | cosmos2: I don't know much about qemu unfortunately |
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| 20:46.13 | Lukemob | jelly-home ok just a sec |
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| 21:04.26 | Lukemob | jelly-home: I'm trying to work with GameCP, when I add server it says: Your root key has failed! |
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| 21:11.54 | jelly-home | Lukemob: I have no idea what GameCP is, is it in Debian at all? What's the package name? |
| 21:12.21 | Lukemob | not really, it's just a script |
| 21:12.27 | Lukemob | exactly, a game control panel |
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| 21:15.56 | Lukemob | I just dont understand why it tells: root key failed |
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| 21:16.01 | jelly-home | with no experience, I have no idea what that message might mean |
| 21:16.25 | Rockj | Hey, my debian installer failed installing grub on my mdadm raid... now, Ive tried just mounting up my system in a chrooted env. and running grub install manually, but grub doesnt reconize mdadm-software raid partitions |
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| 21:16.42 | Rockj | How do I proceed to install grub on my /boot (/dev/md0) partition? |
| 21:17.36 | jelly-home | Lukemob: scripting languages often have at least some debug features. You might want to use those. Also, when asking for help, try to provide full output and complete commands you used to reproduce the issue |
| 21:18.24 | omes | Rockj: you pray on your knees really really hard, only to discover you've been rickroll'ed |
| 21:18.43 | jelly-home | Rockj: which debian release are you using? grub-pc (grub 2) in current testing and unstable ought to work with mdadm devices with metadata versions 0.9 and 1.0 |
| 21:19.57 | jelly-home | Rockj: in lenny, you can try using lilo instead, it has rudimentary support for md raid1 |
| 21:20.32 | Rockj | jelly-home: using stable :-( |
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| 21:20.53 | Rockj | jelly-home: I'm basically screwed if I try to setup raid1 with mdadm with the installer?= |
| 21:21.02 | jelly-home | lilo, or install grub on each disk manually |
| 21:21.34 | jelly-home | Rockj: sorry, I haven't used the installer in a long time |
| 21:21.36 | Rockj | jelly-home: but grub wont let me setup to each disk manually as it is unknown partition type. |
| 21:22.20 | Rockj | jelly-home: as sda/sdb partitions are marked with mdadm software raid partition type |
| 21:22.45 | jelly-home | last time I did that, grub 0.9x didn't care about partition types at all |
| 21:23.07 | quax | Rockj: why don't just use a separeate boot partition, or even an '/'? |
| 21:23.44 | Rockj | quax: it is seperate boot partition, but it is still set as mdadm raid partition meta data.. because the installer requires it so map up mdadm devices.. |
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| 21:24.42 | jelly-home | Rockj: so change the partition type back to 0x83, it only matters if you're using kernel's md autoconfiguration and you probably don't |
| 21:24.45 | jelly-home | worst thing that may happen is OS mounting one mirror for /boot instead of md0 |
| 21:26.03 | Rockj | jelly-home: hm, yeah. Since I set mdadm software raid partition I assume it is because I use kernel's md autoconfiguration .. |
| 21:26.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | all right, so I managed to get the log during the kernel panic - can someone make something of it? http://pastebin.com/PurZjvct |
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| 21:26.40 | Rockj | jelly-home: hm, has grub issues with EFI GPT partitions tables? :O |
| 21:27.02 | bla | CutMeOwnThroat, buggy phonet driver? |
| 21:27.18 | bla | CutMeOwnThroat, null pointer dereferences are bad. |
| 21:27.21 | jelly-home | Rockj: I truly have no idea. |
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| 21:28.45 | Rockj | jelly-home: trying to do a simple grub-install /dev/sda in the chrooted env (proc and dev mount-binded from debian installer) , it says it finds the /boot/grub , but it couldnt read /boot/grub/stage1 correctly. hmf. |
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| 21:29.36 | jelly-home | Rockj: I you need support for weird stuff, I suggest backporting the latest possible grub-pc from unstable. 'course, you have to do that on a different machine if yours won't boot at the present... |
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| 21:29.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | bla, oh, you mean everything underneath the netconsole line is meaningless, because that's just tracing the error handling, which leaves phonet |
| 21:30.33 | jelly-home | Rockj: when I said "install manually" I meant open the grub shell and do all the root and setup, commands yourself |
| 21:31.04 | jelly-home | Rockj: not sure if you also need /sys to make grub-install happy |
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| 21:31.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, never heared of phonet before... I indeed had a nokia connected... but about an hour before the crash! |
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| 21:32.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | that'd mean it happens during some clean-up |
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| 21:34.17 | Rockj | jelly-home: tried that too, but it complained about partition data. anyway, going to try a new approach. |
| 21:34.34 | Rockj | jelly-home: make 1 big mdadm software raid partition, and rather partition up that one afterwardfs |
| 21:34.36 | Rockj | md0p1 etc |
| 21:34.54 | Rockj | and reboot after the md devices are created |
| 21:34.55 | jelly-home | Rockj: forget that, _worse_ support than the usual method |
| 21:35.10 | Rockj | as installer actually complained about it but went on anyway. |
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| 21:35.34 | Rockj | jelly-home: oh? but wont it be better in regards of I/O? sounds bad for me to have multiple md's fighting over sda,sdb .. |
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| 21:36.02 | jelly-home | Rockj: in regards of rebuilding time after a mirror falls out, much worse |
| 21:36.05 | Rockj | if they all were under md0, mdadm could handle the I/O on inside between p# or something? :p *rambles weird stuff* |
| 21:36.18 | Rockj | jelly-home: if using mdadm partitions? |
| 21:36.31 | jelly-home | Rockj: yes, because there's just one md device |
| 21:36.41 | jelly-home | spanning the whole disk, |
| 21:38.01 | jelly-home | grub2 didn't support partitioned md last time I checked (about 2 months ago) |
| 21:38.24 | jelly-home | don't do it unless you have really good reasons to |
| 21:38.35 | Rockj | aye aye, roger. |
| 21:39.31 | jelly-home | I barely made mine bootable, using grub legacy and some faking of /dev/ devices |
| 21:39.58 | Rockj | faking? hm? |
| 21:41.10 | bla | CutMeOwnThroat, it's most certainly a clean-up of a module. I would blame stack top; phonet or 'netconsole'. Or their combination. Also it looks like two errors happened, first immediately caused the second one. |
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| 21:43.23 | jelly-home | Rockj: yes. putting md0p1 instead of sda1 because when md takes over whole disk, udev doesn't create /dev/sda at all (and if you create it manually it's not usable anyway) |
| 21:43.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok... so trying to see if the same happens with the amd64 kernel... which is also untainted because I didn't get the module crosscompiled... and anyway I'm not sure it would work with 32bit xorg |
| 21:45.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | but guess this is enough for a bug report... |
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| 21:48.42 | Rockj | jelly-home: but the install creates md0 (sda1,sdb1) /boot md1 (sda2,sdb2) / etc etc |
| 21:48.57 | Rockj | jelly-home: and keeping away with the idea of just generating a big md0 and partition that instead. |
| 21:49.06 | akkad | is there a way to list available versions of a given package when you have unstable added to sources in apt-get? |
| 21:49.35 | jelly-home | akkad: first, don't add unstable to your sources. Second, apt-cache policy packagename |
| 21:50.23 | akkad | jelly-home: well if stable satisfied my package requirements I would stick with it. :P |
| 21:50.26 | jelly-home | akkad: especially don't do it if your system is otherwise stable. If you need a newer version of something, /msg dpkg backports |
| 21:50.56 | akkad | jelly-home: ffmpeg hell :P requires all sorts of packages completely unavailable in stable. |
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| 21:51.27 | Rockj | jelly-home: should I worry about installer complaining about to re-read the partition table? |
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| 21:51.41 | jelly-home | akkad: mixed stable/unstable systems won't be supported here or anywhere, just saying. If your work requires new stuff, switch to testing or unstable _completely_ |
| 21:52.01 | frikinz | CutMeOwnThroat: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=597904 |
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| 21:52.18 | themill | akkad: ffmpeg transitions are also notoriously tricky to do |
| 21:52.21 | jelly-home | Rockj: that message, per se, is not a reason to worry |
| 21:52.30 | akkad | jelly-home: well I would love to not have to be forced to use unstable just to access dependencies :P |
| 21:52.40 | Rockj | jelly-home: ok, trying again - going thru basic net install |
| 21:52.43 | akkad | themill: yeah it's a pita |
| 21:52.48 | jelly-home | akkad: recursive backporting ftw! (not) |
| 21:53.09 | jelly-home | akkad: ask marillat how he does it :-) |
| 21:53.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | frikinz, hell! but I could not have possibly found the bug before I found out what it is |
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| 21:53.52 | bronaugh | ok, so I just installed a box with the Debian Testing installer; box installed fine, boot loader works, kernel finishes loading... |
| 21:54.10 | bronaugh | then some text (which looks like normal system loading) pops up on screen and less than 1/2s later the machine reboots. |
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| 21:54.24 | bronaugh | (the curse of fast machines... argh) |
| 21:54.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | frikinz, indeed, I've also started to give chromium a try... what weird combination of things needed to trigger this! |
| 21:54.45 | bronaugh | any ideas as to why and/or how to fix? |
| 21:55.08 | frikinz | CutMeOwnThroat: yes quite interesting. I did not know this module phonet, seems interesting. without the bug |
| 21:55.09 | akkad | yeah going to go with a source build once time permits so I don't have to deal with apt and the plethora of versioned codecs |
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| 21:55.32 | lenswipe | hi guys |
| 21:55.34 | lenswipe | i have no sound |
| 21:55.36 | lenswipe | can someone help |
| 21:56.03 | lenswipe | i get an error message saying gconfaudiosrc ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink profile=chat: Could not open audio device for playback. |
| 21:56.11 | jelly-home | thankfully I only need codecs to play video, not do anything important |
| 21:56.13 | lenswipe | my sound just stopped working when i booted the PC |
| 21:56.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | frikinz, and this is from 2 days ago! they beat me in reporting it - and they got further in finding the cause and even seem to have a fix... at least I see a patch, no idea if it fixes it |
| 21:56.33 | jelly-home | testing + d-m is good enough in that regard |
| 21:56.53 | lenswipe | jelly-home, do u have any ideas? |
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| 21:57.01 | lenswipe | with regard getting my sound back |
| 21:58.05 | lenswipe | obviously not |
| 21:58.09 | lenswipe | thanks for the help guys |
| 21:58.35 | frikinz | CutMeOwnThroat: you used netconsole irrc? was it through wireless? |
| 21:58.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | frikinz, I never heard of it before either... I bought an N900 (which is btw. a great toy, even if it's a crappy phone) and plugging it in triggers it... I think |
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| 21:59.27 | frikinz | CutMeOwnThroat: i guess it's great but I stopped at the n800.. too costy for toys |
| 21:59.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | frikinz, didn't work through wireless... "device doesn't support polling" - got it to work by connecting a laptop with an ethernet cable |
| 22:00.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... that's true... it would be an even better toy for half the price |
| 22:01.13 | frikinz | reminds me of rebuilding all what I could find to load on the arm processor. big fun. |
| 22:01.13 | akkad | so adding unstable to sources.list and apt-get update does not change the policy of apt-cache. |
| 22:01.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | frikinz, but I think they deliberately designed this as a toy... |
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| 22:02.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, shouldn't the fix go into linux-image-2.6.32-*? |
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| 22:03.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, there's the long list ... other were just source packages.... linux-image-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem |
| 22:04.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | but that's already in squeeze and I'm running that kernel and I still saw the crash today |
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| 22:06.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | the changelog on my kernel says linux-2.6 (2.6.32-26) the bug report says fixed in linux-source-2.6.32_2.6.32-24_all.deb |
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| 22:09.44 | Rockj | jelly-home: still fails :/ |
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| 22:10.08 | Rockj | jelly-home: I guess I should drop using the kernel mdadm software raid partitions, and do it manually in a shell to create the mdadm devices under install... |
| 22:10.23 | Rockj | that way grub-install (hd0) wont fail in the installer... |
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| 22:10.25 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 22:10.30 | lenswipe | i have a problem with alsa |
| 22:10.51 | lenswipe | selecting HDA generic gets me sound but alsa sometimes stops working for no aparent reason |
| 22:11.26 | themill | lenswipe: are you going to hang around for long enough to get an answer this time? |
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| 22:12.08 | lenswipe | themill, i had a power blip |
| 22:12.11 | lenswipe | many apologies |
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| 22:12.33 | themill | lenswipe: you seem to have them quite often. |
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| 22:12.44 | lenswipe | themill, dont fking get me started |
| 22:13.10 | lenswipe | themill, it happens every sodding day |
| 22:13.12 | lenswipe | ...ever day |
| 22:13.14 | lenswipe | every* |
| 22:13.17 | lenswipe | almost anyway |
| 22:13.44 | lenswipe | themill, i currently have jackd installed, could that possible be the problem? |
| 22:14.15 | Rockj | jelly-home: ill try squeeze... |
| 22:14.20 | Rockj | btw, shouldnt netinstall cd be here? |
| 22:14.23 | Rockj | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/ ? |
| 22:14.27 | akkad | ok. I understand why sid is evil. I just need to recreate a box and need to move lenny to sid so I can get the right version of the libs. |
| 22:14.35 | akkad | so pretty pleaseeeeee |
| 22:14.37 | akkad | :P |
| 22:15.51 | Tommy_DO | Which package must I install, to read korean script? |
| 22:15.56 | nsadmin | you're asking permission to upgrade? you don't need it |
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| 22:16.20 | akkad | oh well. will remove it |
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| 22:17.45 | lenswipe | hey guys |
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| 22:18.08 | lenswipe | themill, so.... |
| 22:18.13 | lenswipe | <themill> lenswipe: are you going to hang around for long enough to get an answer this time? |
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| 22:19.06 | zmitya | hi Gents.. Its not a debian related question, but what is the name of the "dpkg" bot you use here ?? .... we would like to use something similar here iwithin the company |
| 22:19.20 | nsadmin | dpkg |
| 22:19.22 | lenswipe | zmitya, its called "dpkg" |
| 22:19.30 | lenswipe | nsadmin, do you have any ideas? |
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| 22:19.39 | lenswipe | nsadmin, alsa keeps randomly disappearing and appearing |
| 22:19.43 | zmitya | I know, but what is the "prg" behint it ? |
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| 22:19.53 | zmitya | *behind |
| 22:20.00 | nsadmin | I have an idea! let's roll down a really steep hill in inner tubes! |
| 22:20.25 | lenswipe | *sigh* |
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| 22:20.35 | lenswipe | nsadmin, see above |
| 22:20.39 | lenswipe | themill, poke |
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| 22:21.08 | nsadmin | dpkg, what are you |
| 22:21.08 | dpkg | I am an infobot. For more info see <infobot>. |
| 22:21.24 | zmitya | nsadmin: really thanks !! |
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| 22:21.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | frikinz, their trace is neater, too... not so many modules loaded... |
| 22:22.34 | nsadmin | zmitya, see that thing in <>, you can msg it to the bot like this... /msg dpkg infobot |
| 22:22.40 | lenswipe | nsadmin, if you're happy and you know it clap your hands, *clap* *clap*. if you're happy and you know it clap your hands, *clap* *clap*. If you're happy and you know it and you really want to show it, if you're happy and you know it clap your hands, *clap* *clap* |
| 22:23.00 | nsadmin | why are my lights turning on and off?! |
| 22:23.07 | lenswipe | ??? |
| 22:23.09 | bronaugh | argh. |
| 22:23.20 | zmitya | nsadmin: ok.. I'm gooing to check it, because its awesome :) |
| 22:23.23 | lenswipe | nsadmin, at least your sound card isnt fucking turning on and off |
| 22:23.31 | themill | looks at lenswipe |
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| 22:23.43 | lenswipe | themill, i thought you were going to tell me something... |
| 22:23.49 | lenswipe | themill, you sounded like you were.. |
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| 22:24.34 | themill | lenswipe: I gave up trying to help you ages ago. You're too hard to support. Do you realise that you have that reputation amongst most of the regulars here? |
| 22:24.37 | nsadmin | you know the drill by now... lspci -nn, and show the line that represents the hardware you're asking about |
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| 22:25.10 | lenswipe | themill, no i didnt, what "reputation" might that be? |
| 22:25.18 | bronaugh | probably as a complete tool. |
| 22:25.30 | bronaugh | just a guess. |
| 22:25.31 | lenswipe | bronaugh, takes one to know one hun |
| 22:25.34 | themill | let's try to keep it constructive at least |
| 22:25.44 | lenswipe | nsadmin, lspci wont tell me anything, the soundcard is on the mobo |
| 22:26.01 | bronaugh | lenswipe: except that the sound card is connected via PCI on the motherboard's traces. |
| 22:26.08 | lenswipe | orly? |
| 22:26.08 | bronaugh | either PCI or PCIe, either of which show up in lspci. |
| 22:26.08 | nsadmin | do it anyway... stranger things have happened... |
| 22:26.09 | lenswipe | 2 secs then |
| 22:26.17 | lenswipe | lemme go grab a pastebin |
| 22:26.19 | nsadmin | (so is mine, and it is on lspci) |
| 22:26.24 | lenswipe | ah right |
| 22:26.33 | nsadmin | you just need one line |
| 22:26.35 | lenswipe | nsadmin, i thought you were asuming i was using an external soundcard |
| 22:26.46 | lenswipe | 00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation Ibex Peak High Definition Audio [8086:3b56] (rev 06) |
| 22:26.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | bronaugh, or, amazingly, usb - at least the interal wireless I have seems to work that way |
| 22:26.56 | nsadmin | assume just makes an ass of u n me |
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| 22:27.06 | amphi | oh ghod, has intel fused with ubuntu? |
| 22:27.20 | bronaugh | CutMeOwnThroat: I've yet to see that, but I'm not surprised. |
| 22:27.28 | nsadmin | , pciid 8086:3b56 |
| 22:27.32 | judd | [8086:3b56] is '5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:3b56 |
| 22:27.49 | lenswipe | nsadmin, ? |
| 22:27.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | bronaugh, well, I was, because that actually means it doesn't turn up in lspci |
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| 22:28.11 | bronaugh | CutMeOwnThroat: yup. :) would definitely be a shock. |
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| 22:28.31 | bronaugh | I've encountered the opposite kind of shock on an HP Mini 110 |
| 22:28.35 | bronaugh | SD card reader is a PCI device. |
| 22:28.39 | bronaugh | ... which isn't compatible with Linux :P |
| 22:28.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, that sounds familiar, too |
| 22:28.54 | bronaugh | seems like it'd be cheaper to have it be USB; but they didn't go down that road. |
| 22:28.54 | lenswipe | nsadmin, so what do i need to do |
| 22:29.04 | nsadmin | look at the link |
| 22:29.09 | bla | Debian install cd rescue mode could not be nastier. |
| 22:29.17 | lenswipe | nsadmin, i did |
| 22:29.24 | lenswipe | nsadmin, i can submit my machine stats for some kind of survey |
| 22:29.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | bla, it could be on floppy |
| 22:29.28 | nsadmin | what did you learn? |
| 22:29.31 | lenswipe | but i dont see how that will help me get my sound working |
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| 22:29.40 | bronaugh | lenswipe: upgrade to squeeze. |
| 22:29.44 | lenswipe | nsadmin, i learned very little |
| 22:29.44 | nsadmin | anything else written there? |
| 22:29.50 | lenswipe | bronaugh, when its released i will do |
| 22:29.52 | lenswipe | nsadmin, not really |
| 22:29.55 | bla | CutMeOwnThroat, doesn't really matter. I've booted it over a network. But even vi can't display properly in it's environment |
| 22:30.06 | nsadmin | then you missed it |
| 22:30.06 | lenswipe | nsadmin, actually yeh there is one thing |
| 22:30.07 | bla | $TERM=bterm. yuk. |
| 22:30.12 | lenswipe | Works? |
| 22:30.13 | lenswipe | Yes |
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| 22:30.14 | lenswipe | ... |
| 22:30.15 | bronaugh | lenswipe: c'mon, don't be a chicken. |
| 22:30.24 | lenswipe | nsadmin, shouldnt that be a no |
| 22:30.28 | nsadmin | a little more to the right :P |
| 22:30.31 | bronaugh | you're running this on a friggin' desktop. stability is -not- paramount. compatibility and functionality -is-. |
| 22:30.46 | lenswipe | nsadmin, Vendor |
| 22:30.47 | lenswipe | nsadmin, ntel Corporation |
| 22:30.49 | lenswipe | Intel* |
| 22:30.51 | nsadmin | a little more to the right :P |
| 22:30.51 | themill | bronaugh: please don't encourage people to upgrade to squeeze just yet... there are still some man-eating monsters in that pile of RC bugs |
| 22:31.05 | lenswipe | bronaugh, its friggin important to me when my system collapses |
| 22:31.17 | lenswipe | !squeeze | bronaugh |
| 22:31.42 | bronaugh | themill: shrug. ok. I've been running sid for -years-. sometimes stuff breaks, sure, but it's almost always fixable. |
| 22:31.42 | lenswipe | nsadmin, Driver: snd-hda-intel |
| 22:31.47 | lenswipe | nsadmin, is that what im after? |
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| 22:32.04 | lenswipe | nsadmin, cos if so....E: Couldn't find package snd-hda-intel |
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| 22:32.15 | nsadmin | a little more to the right :P |
| 22:32.20 | themill | bronaugh: that requires clue and the ability to help oneself. Think about it in a wider context⦠|
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| 22:32.30 | lenswipe | nsadmin, Kernel: v2.6.27- |
| 22:32.34 | lenswipe | nsadmin, what of it? |
| 22:32.34 | bronaugh | now, I'd love it if someone would explain how it's possible for debian to go into a reboot loop after an install using the debian-testing net installer. |
| 22:32.37 | nsadmin | HELLO |
| 22:32.42 | bronaugh | because it has me stumped. |
| 22:32.48 | nsadmin | what's your uname -r |
| 22:32.49 | bronaugh | themill: yeah yeah :P |
| 22:32.50 | LinuxNIT | lenswipe, what kernel do you have? |
| 22:33.15 | lenswipe | nsadmin, 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 |
| 22:33.18 | bronaugh | reboot happens -after- kernel is apparently fully loaded; can't really tell too well, though, because the reboot happens so damned fast. |
| 22:33.28 | lenswipe | nsadmin, i had to backport it to get it to recognise my SATA controller |
| 22:33.30 | lenswipe | :/ |
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| 22:33.51 | LinuxNIT | lsmod | grep snd |
| 22:33.52 | lenswipe | nsadmin, how do i install the new kernel? |
| 22:33.52 | nsadmin | it doesn't really say what the model name is |
| 22:34.17 | nsadmin | you already did, .32 is after .27 |
| 22:34.26 | lenswipe | ok |
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| 22:34.33 | lenswipe | nsadmin, so why cant i install the package? |
| 22:34.45 | nsadmin | what package? |
| 22:35.05 | nsadmin | a different kernel? |
| 22:35.05 | lenswipe | snd-hda-intel |
| 22:35.13 | lenswipe | it says the package isnt found |
| 22:35.25 | nsadmin | isn't that module in the kernel image? |
| 22:35.34 | lenswipe | idk |
| 22:35.41 | nsadmin | is that module loaded now? |
| 22:35.44 | lenswipe | idk |
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| 22:35.48 | lenswipe | how do i check? |
| 22:35.50 | LiamBRT2 | Free Music Downloads, No Shit, no Software, No Registration, Instant Downloads, No Virus' - muQuick - http://www.muquick.com |
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| 22:36.03 | lenswipe | .... |
| 22:36.10 | lenswipe | okay? |
| 22:36.33 | dokma | hey guyz... I'd like to backport php5-xdebug 2.1.0 from testing to stable, anyone knows where to find instructions on how to do that? |
| 22:36.57 | nsadmin | !ssb |
| 22:36.57 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 22:37.10 | lenswipe | nsadmin, so where do i go with this sound issue? |
| 22:37.18 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions snd-hda-intel |
| 22:37.19 | jpinx-eeepc | ,versions php |
| 22:37.20 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'snd-hda-intel' was found in i386. |
| 22:37.22 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'php' was found in i386. |
| 22:37.38 | nsadmin | DOUBLE FAULT! |
| 22:37.43 | lenswipe | ... |
| 22:37.51 | jhutchins_lt | ;) |
| 22:37.53 | lenswipe | nsadmin, back in 10 15 mins |
| 22:37.58 | jpinx-eeepc | ,versions php5-xdebug |
| 22:37.58 | dokma | nsadmin, nice.... thanks |
| 22:38.00 | judd | Package php5-xdebug on i386 -- lenny: 2.0.3-1; sid: 2.1.0-1; squeeze: 2.1.0-1 |
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| 22:38.15 | bla | !mirror |
| 22:38.15 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/, see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>. |
| 22:38.16 | dokma | judd, yeah 2.1.0 is in testing |
| 22:38.19 | bronaugh | snd-hda-intel should be part of some alsa package. |
| 22:38.37 | jpinx-eeepc | dokma: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 22:38.43 | dokma | it has a trace get trigget that I want instead of editing /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini all the time |
| 22:38.54 | jhutchins_lt | bronaugh: It's a kernel module. |
| 22:39.01 | dokma | jpinx-eeepc, yeah nsadmin already pointed that one out |
| 22:39.12 | bronaugh | jhutchins_lt: true; it's been a long time since ALSA was distributed separately. |
| 22:39.13 | bla | Having under 10 machines with Debian running - is it sensible to create own package mirror? |
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| 22:39.24 | jpinx-eeepc | dokma: but your mileage may very depending on the dependencies |
| 22:39.36 | jhutchins_lt | bla: Possibly. |
| 22:39.39 | nsadmin | bla: if it makes sense to you |
| 22:39.55 | jpinx-eeepc | bla: creating is easy - can you maintain them |
| 22:40.11 | jhutchins_lt | bla: You'd be mirroring a lot of stuff you never use. |
| 22:40.38 | bla | jhutchins_lt, that what I'm afraid. I'm mostly thinking about reducing bandwith generated. |
| 22:40.46 | jhutchins_lt | I know Mandriva had a parallelized install tool that would update multiple machines but only download one copy of each package needed. |
| 22:41.03 | jhutchins_lt | bla: How similar are the machines? |
| 22:41.05 | bla | Also some of them (4) are debian testing, rest is debian stable; so I'd have to mirror packages for both |
| 22:41.43 | bla | jhutchins_lt, most are pretty similar. Is it possible to do small package caching locally? |
| 22:41.54 | jhutchins_lt | I suppose you could generate a package list, then wget just those packages and create your own mirror. |
| 22:42.15 | jhutchins_lt | bla: I'm seriously hoping someone who has a good idea about this will chime in. |
| 22:42.18 | f8l | bla: I've been successfully using apt-p2p as a shared packages cache to reduce bandwidth usage. |
| 22:42.36 | dokma | how do I check if I have any packages from testing installed? |
| 22:42.44 | themill | !apt-cacher |
| 22:42.44 | dpkg | apt-cacher is probably a caching proxy designed specifically for use by <apt>. http://www.nick-andrew.net/projects/apt-cacher/ See also <apt-cacher-ng>. |
| 22:42.50 | themill | dokma: /msg dpkg which repo |
| 22:43.02 | dokma | thanks |
| 22:43.10 | bla | f8l, themill nice call. Thanks |
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| 22:52.56 | dalias | odd question - are all debian packages built with -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 these days? |
| 22:53.14 | dalias | (is there a policy or is it part of the normal build system?) |
| 22:53.27 | lenswipe | nsadmin, back |
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| 22:54.02 | lenswipe | nsadmin, soo.. |
| 22:54.17 | matt86861 | If I do "zip -r archive directory", all the files in the directory are zipped. How to zip only the directory itself? |
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| 22:55.06 | demetan | hi |
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| 22:55.31 | lenswipe | ima reboot |
| 22:55.42 | demetan | I am trying to install xorg and vim on squeeze fresh install but don t perform |
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| 22:57.39 | UweBollsFunder | hi |
| 22:58.15 | nsadmin | demetan, why? |
| 22:58.47 | nsadmin | I'd say start with vim |
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| 23:01.17 | zealiod | jelly: do you know if you can route vlans? i'm trying to route 10.61.34.1 to 10.61.32.1 but im getting a route error... SIOCADDRT: No such process |
| 23:01.48 | zealiod | jelly: any ideas what i'm missing, im using this "sudo route add -host 10.61.34.1 gw 10.61.32.1 dev eth1.10" |
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| 23:05.27 | rvsjoen | make sure you have a valid route to that gateway |
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| 23:07.01 | rainabba | Any time I try to do something that needs root priveledges, I see a button on the task bar that says "granting rights", but nothing comes up and it eventually goes away (app never launches either). Wth? |
| 23:07.32 | demetan | nsadmin I don t know, it seems I have some blems with repositories |
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| 23:08.52 | rainabba | Using Gnome btw. |
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| 23:10.21 | fs-a | Hi. I have lost /etc/init.d/hal What recreates it? (installing hal or dpkg-reconfigure hal doesn't) Is that service needed (hald)? |
| 23:10.36 | zealiod | rvsjoen: both NICs are on the same box - what do you mine by valid route? |
| 23:10.38 | dalias | hmm |
| 23:11.00 | themill | dpkg: tell fs-a about cross-post |
| 23:11.03 | rvsjoen | I mean that you can't specify 10.61.32.1 as a gateway unless you have a valid route to it |
| 23:11.03 | dalias | a quick objdump -T /usr/bin/* shows that tons of binaries are compiled without -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 |
| 23:11.07 | dalias | is there a reason for this? |
| 23:11.37 | fs-a | I don't care what you think is "impolite" troll. |
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| 23:12.09 | zealiod | rvsjoen: how do i check if i have a valid route to it? |
| 23:12.25 | rvsjoen | zealiod: by looking in the routing table, 'ip route' or 'route |
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| 23:12.53 | rainabba | dpkg: tell themill about annoying-and-pedantic |
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| 23:14.14 | zealiod | rvsjoen: how do i add it - i thought i was doing that? |
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| 23:14.40 | rvsjoen | you are adding a route to 10.61.34.1 through 10.61.32.1 |
| 23:14.51 | zealiod | rvsjoen: I have a reference to this "10.61.32.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 |
| 23:14.51 | zealiod | " |
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| 23:15.12 | rvsjoen | so you already have a valid route to it then |
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| 23:15.39 | dondelelcaro | if you want to do anything remotely complicated with routes, route is the wrong tool |
| 23:15.43 | rvsjoen | then i'm not sure, it's been a decade since I last touched interface aliases |
| 23:16.09 | zealiod | dondelelcaro: oddly enought it would seem that way.... any suggestions what tool to use? |
| 23:16.16 | rvsjoen | iproute2 suite |
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| 23:16.21 | UweBollsFunder | is there a tutorial that will teach me all about hard drive management? from checking which disks are readable, to idenfying them by UUID, to running speed tests, all that stuff? |
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| 23:16.28 | AJenbo | hi, i'm trying to set up building a .deb, but it is complaning about a missing orig.tar, i have the ioquake3_1.36.orig.tar.gz but don't konw where to put it :( |
| 23:16.30 | UweBollsFunder | and whatever other crazy stuff is out there |
| 23:16.39 | dondelelcaro | zealiod: what is the output of ip link; ip addr; ip route;? and what are you trying to do exactly? |
| 23:17.04 | dondelelcaro | AJenbo: in the directory immediately above the unpacked source directory |
| 23:18.05 | rainabba | How do you teach dpkg a new term/phrase for use with "dpkg: tell" ? |
| 23:18.20 | AJenbo | ./ioquake3-1.36/engine is where the extracted code is, ./ioquake3-1.36/debian is where i have all the debuild rouls |
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| 23:18.33 | dondelelcaro | AJenbo: then it goes in . |
| 23:18.41 | zealiod | dondelelcaro: i'm trying to learn buy the seat of my pants... and read and read and read... heh. But, I'm trying to route all traffic on eth.10 to eth1 |
| 23:18.43 | themill | rainabba: you don't |
| 23:19.03 | AJenbo | dondelelcaro, thanks :) |
| 23:19.09 | zealiod | dondelelcaro: and the traffic on eth.11 to eth1 |
| 23:19.16 | zealiod | eth1 is 10.61.32.1 |
| 23:19.28 | zealiod | dondelelcaro: eth.11 is 10.61.34.1 |
| 23:19.49 | AJenbo | yay, no i just have to deal with some compile errors |
| 23:20.16 | zealiod | dondelelcaro: I thought if I set the gateway in the interfaces file... that would do it |
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| 23:21.03 | ariel_g | i've added a dns entry and i can ping it from everywhere except the machine it's pointing to...this is probably firewall related? |
| 23:21.07 | zealiod | dondelelcaro: it throws an error tho: sudo route add -host 10.61.34.1 gw 10.61.32.1 dev eth1.10 gives me |
| 23:21.07 | zealiod | SIOCADDRT: No such process |
| 23:21.28 | dondelelcaro | zealiod: no, because you actually have to forward packets across the machine; provide the output requested via a paste site |
| 23:21.39 | zealiod | k |
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| 23:24.09 | zealiod | dondelelcaro: http://www.nomorepasting.com/getpaste.php?pasteid=34757 |
| 23:24.40 | zealiod | dondelelcaro: eth0 is WAN facing |
| 23:26.24 | dondelelcaro | zealiod: and what are you trying to do? NAT across the network and route packets from one subnet to another? |
| 23:26.43 | zealiod | yes |
| 23:27.44 | dondelelcaro | zealiod: have you enabled ip forwarding? |
| 23:27.56 | zealiod | i believe so |
| 23:28.06 | zealiod | i was told i didnt need iptables rules, is this correct? |
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| 23:28.50 | matt86861 | If I do "zip -r archive.zip directory", all the files in the "directory" are zipped. How to zip only the directory itself and leave the files in the directory and subdirectories unzipped? |
| 23:29.14 | dondelelcaro | zealiod: not for the forwarding, no. |
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| 23:29.20 | dondelelcaro | zealiod: however, your network allocation makes no sense |
| 23:29.21 | zealiod | dondelelcaro: ok |
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| 23:29.33 | zealiod | dondelelcaro: please explain |
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| 23:30.17 | dondelelcaro | zealiod: you've got 10.61.0.0/16 on VLAN, and you're also trying to give out 10.16.34.0/16 and 10.16.32.0/16, and then you have insane broadcasts set |
| 23:30.34 | arosen1 | Hello, I have a server still running debian 4.0. I was wondering if there were active mirrors still up for that? |
| 23:30.55 | dondelelcaro | arosen1: there are some, but you need to upgrade. |
| 23:31.06 | zealiod | dondelelcaro: that vlan is a frustrated mistake trying to get something to work... |
| 23:31.07 | arosen1 | dondelelcaro: Any idea of how I would find those mirrors? |
| 23:31.20 | dondelelcaro | !tell arosen1 -about ado |
| 23:31.38 | zealiod | dondelelcaro: it should be a /24 |
| 23:31.44 | dondelelcaro | zealiod: well, you need to fix that |
| 23:31.50 | zealiod | dondelelcaro: fixed |
| 23:31.53 | dondelelcaro | zealiod: and you need to fix the wrong broadcasts |
| 23:32.06 | zealiod | broadcasts aren't set in the interfaces files |
| 23:32.30 | dondelelcaro | zealiod: they're guessed based on the netmask, which you presumably have wrong |
| 23:32.47 | aguitel | what is the difference between gdm and gdm3 ? |
| 23:32.48 | dondelelcaro | (if you don't explicitely specify them) |
| 23:32.57 | zealiod | dondelelcaro: yeah, it was set to /16 |
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| 23:33.14 | zealiod | dondelelcaro: how can i tell if ip forwarding is on?? |
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| 23:33.34 | dondelelcaro | zealiod: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 23:34.34 | dondelelcaro | or you can set it by device |
| 23:34.51 | zealiod | dondelelcaro: returns 1 |
| 23:35.17 | dondelelcaro | zealiod: then you've enabled forwarding |
| 23:35.23 | arosen1 | dondelelcaro: I'm in here http://archive.kernel.org/debian-archive/dists/Debian-4.0/ Do you think i can find the packets I'm look for there? I dont' see any packages. |
| 23:35.50 | zealiod | dondelelcaro: the error im getting wont allow me to set the gateway ip... what could be causing that? |
| 23:36.09 | jhutchins_lt | !tell arosen1 about snapshot |
| 23:36.10 | dondelelcaro | zealiod: you've already got a default route for that machine |
| 23:36.17 | dondelelcaro | arosen1: you add an entry to your sources.list according to the instructions that dpkg told you |
| 23:36.24 | dondelelcaro | arosen1: otherwise, you can browse the packages manually |
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| 23:36.48 | dondelelcaro | (they're in the pool directory) |
| 23:36.58 | zealiod | dondelelcaro: for eth0 yes |
| 23:37.06 | dondelelcaro | zealiod: you can only have one default route |
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| 23:37.18 | zealiod | dondelelcaro: better to take it out? |
| 23:37.38 | jhutchins_lt | Multiple _gateways_, one default route. |
| 23:37.54 | dondelelcaro | zealiod: the default route has to be the router(s) that you send all packets to when they don't match another rule. There can only be one. |
| 23:37.59 | arosen1 | Thanks, I'm trying to find the package that has this. linux-headers-2.6.18-3-686Â but the search on the snapshot.debian.org doesn't seem to have that? |
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| 23:38.49 | dondelelcaro | arosen1: http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/; iirc. |
| 23:39.17 | zealiod | dondelelcaro: ok... so - i didnt set that rule - is that being automagically set because my eht0 has a gateway ip? |
| 23:39.18 | evilbulg1rian | anyone here ever set up asterisk phone system? |
| 23:39.25 | dondelelcaro | arosen1: but again, if you follow the instructions that dpkg gave you, you can aptitude install linux-headers-2.6.18-3-686; if that's still the current verison of the kernel in etch. |
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| 23:39.49 | dondelelcaro | zealiod: eth0 is the WAN ip. It has to be the default gateway |
| 23:40.19 | zealiod | ok... so how do i route the eth1.10 to eth1? |
| 23:40.19 | zealiod | \ |
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| 23:40.39 | zealiod | dondelelcaro: is it even possible? |
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| 23:41.21 | jhutchins_lt | arosen1: Doesn't look like there was a 3, it went 2, 4, 6: http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/ |
| 23:42.44 | zealiod | dondelelcaro: how can it be possible then to route the eth1.10 to eth1 |
| 23:43.18 | jhutchins_lt | zealiod: If you're trying to "route" incoming packets to an outgoing port, you do it with iptables, not routing. |
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| 23:43.44 | zealiod | jhutchins_lt: im not. im trying to route all traffic |
| 23:44.04 | jhutchins_lt | zealiod: If it's internal traffic, route. If it's passing traffic through, iptables. |
| 23:44.43 | zealiod | jhutchins_lt: how would i approch it in iptables? i was told i didn't need to do iptables... |
| 23:45.35 | jhutchins_lt | zealiod: This is about ipmasq, which is not what you're doing, but I think it will explain: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ |
| 23:45.53 | zealiod | it will explain what i am not doing..... |
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| 23:46.15 | jhutchins_lt | zealiod: Judge for yourself, but I think it will explain what you _want_ to do. |
| 23:46.24 | zealiod | jhutchins_lt: hmm ok |
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| 23:46.30 | zealiod | thanks |
| 23:46.38 | jhutchins_lt | zealiod: If it's ipv4 packet forwarding, it's handled by iptables. |
| 23:46.49 | zealiod | jhutchins_lt: thanks |
| 23:46.55 | jhutchins_lt | zealiod: They're a bit of a dark art, but once you get your head around it, it's set-and-forget. |
| 23:49.17 | dondelelcaro | zealiod: it's already routed |
| 23:49.37 | dondelelcaro | zealiod: if you mean how do you do NAT across the interface, then see what jhutchins_lt said. |
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| 23:51.25 | jhutchins_lt | I guess all of my routers have done NAT, so I am not really sure how to do non-nat routing. |
| 23:51.38 | psusi | so I added unstable to my sources and set Apt::Default-Release to stable to prevent unstable packages from being installed unless I explicitly -t unstable... but somehow some unstable packages have been installed... how can I have apt downgrade everything back to stable? |
| 23:53.09 | jhutchins_lt | psusi: You can't. |
| 23:53.15 | jhutchins_lt | !tell psusi about rollback |
| 23:53.34 | jhutchins_lt | sorry, |
| 23:53.38 | psusi | I can go into synaptic and force version, but that only works one package at a time |
| 23:53.40 | jhutchins_lt | !tell psusi about downgrade |
| 23:54.17 | psusi | I know downgrades are not supported and cause breakage... I don't care |
| 23:54.39 | dalias | :) |
| 23:54.43 | psusi | I'm just looking to do a mass force version on the command line back to unstable since doing it one at a time in synaptic is not feasible |
| 23:54.50 | psusi | err, back to stable |
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| 23:55.18 | psusi | if something breaks, it breaks... better than having a half upgraded system |
| 23:55.43 | jhutchins_lt | psusi: There really isn't one. |
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| 23:56.10 | Benny_ | So I just installed apache2, and after much bashing of my head against the wall due to all the Debian-specific changes, there's still one I can't fix: It tries to autocomplete filenames. |
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| 23:57.13 | psusi | blast... I thought I could do it with some creative pipelining on the Origin... it seems that synaptic can show packages by origin, but dpkg-query -W -f '$Origin}' shows nothing for the origin |
| 23:57.19 | Benny_ | I have a file called newsletter.dat, and a rewrite rule that sends /newsletter somewhere useful, and Debian's apache2 sends newsletter.dat |
| 23:57.37 | jhutchins_lt | psusi: I think there might be a way to get dpkg to generate a list of packages from unstable, but I don't know how. |
| 23:58.19 | jhutchins_lt | psusi: You could then use that list to remove the packages with dpkg or apt, then re-install them from stable. |
| 23:58.24 | psusi | jhutchins_lt, yea, I thought I was onto something with dpkg-query | grep, but it doesn't seem to have any value in the Origin field... |
| 23:58.33 | jhutchins_lt | I can't seem to find the "which version" factoid. |