| 00:00.20 | psusi | but synaptic can list packages by origin, so I don't understand why I can't get the Origin out of dpkg-query |
| 00:01.25 | jhutchins_lt | psusi: I would suggest spending some time reading the dpkg manpage - it's dpkg I've seen it done with - while you wait for one of the elders to wake up. Or wait for euro-daytime. |
| 00:02.44 | arosen1 | jhutchins_lt: I found a kernel and linux headers that matched on that archive page that is near the age of the kernel I'm running. I was able to install the kernel correctly and reboot to it but for some reason i can;t get the linux-headers to install for it. Do you understand the error it is giving? http://pastebin.com/khzxbmGw |
| 00:03.18 | arosen1 | Oh i think it acutally installed |
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| 00:05.48 | zealiod | jhutchins_lt: ok, that is interesting |
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| 00:05.57 | zealiod | do i need to use masq with forward as well |
| 00:06.12 | psusi | jhutchins_lt, that's what I've been doing... and from the man page it seems like I should be able to do it by searching on the Origin field... but that field does not seem to be populated.... even though synaptic's default list by origin category seems to work... creating a search filter based on it doesn't and dpkg comes up with blanks |
| 00:06.16 | zealiod | im not sure how it knows what to do with the packets once they've been masq'd? |
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| 00:07.10 | Tekk_ | in squeeze when it says kde 4.2 will it be as unstable as normal or does it have stability patches applied? |
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| 00:09.47 | nsadmin | there might be a #debian-kde |
| 00:09.58 | legis | ,versions kde |
| 00:10.00 | judd | Package kde on i386 -- etch: 5:47; lenny: 5:48 |
| 00:10.17 | legis | ,versions kdecore |
| 00:10.17 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'kdecore' was found in i386. |
| 00:10.20 | legis | ,versions kde-core |
| 00:10.21 | judd | Package kde-core on i386 -- etch: 5:47; lenny: 5:48 |
| 00:10.57 | legis | ,versions kde-standard |
| 00:10.59 | judd | Package kde-standard on i386 -- sid: 5:64; squeeze: 5:64 |
| 00:11.22 | legis | ,versions kdebase |
| 00:11.25 | judd | Package kdebase on i386 -- etch-security: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch1; etch: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch2; etch-backports: 4:3.5.7-4~bpo40+1; lenny: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6+lenny1; lenny-security: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6+lenny1; sid: 5:64; squeeze: 5:64 |
| 00:11.57 | Tekk_ | thanks |
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| 00:12.10 | legis | ... |
| 00:12.50 | scoobertron | any vim experts here? |
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| 00:18.25 | converge | do i need do something to be able to connect to ssh on debian in my lan? |
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| 00:18.58 | converge | never mind.. my fault |
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| 00:22.48 | cmdbbq | i have installed steam in wine, and now i am looking for the install files for steam on my hdd. they should (i would think) be under Program Files on the virtual C drive, but the only thing in there is iexplorer so steam runs with all my games and what not, but where are they? |
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| 00:26.27 | jordanm | cmdbbq: did you install using play on linux? |
| 00:27.03 | jordanm | hasn't been able to get recent version (6mos or so) to work in wine.. |
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| 00:28.14 | jordanm | cmdbbq: playonlinux will install it to ~/.steam. It ideal to use seperate wine dirs and prefixes for games because they can require drastically different configurations |
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| 00:30.35 | itchi | Hi, just discovered an item in my Fluxbox menu called X Window Snapshot. Which create a screenshot of a window and then seems to transfer data (from xwd) to xwud. But how can i save that screenshot? There's no menu in xwud, man xwd and xwud are useless if run from the Fluxbox menu: there's not enought info and google isn't my friend on that one :( |
| 00:30.57 | itchi | xwd | xwdtopnm | pnmtopng > Screenshot.png |
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| 00:31.15 | itchi | And that come from wikipedia, which is irrelevant if run from the "start" menu |
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| 00:33.59 | aguitel | what is the difference between gdm and gdm3 ? |
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| 00:34.36 | itchi | aguitel: from apt-cache "Next generation GNOME Display Manager" |
| 00:35.08 | aguitel | itchi, it works in debian ? |
| 00:35.35 | itchi | aguitel: Well, if the package is available from the official Debian repo, yeah it should work |
| 00:35.43 | itchi | and like it is... |
| 00:35.52 | itchi | Didn't test it yet here |
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| 00:36.03 | aguitel | itchi, ok |
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| 00:36.46 | itchi | heh |
| 00:36.50 | itchi | !gdm3 |
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| 00:37.13 | itchi | dpkg: gdm3 |
| 00:37.13 | dpkg | itchi: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
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| 00:37.48 | itchi | hmm, the character to call dpkg has changed |
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| 00:39.02 | Rockj | How do I clone a gpt partition table from disk sda to sdb? sfdisk doesnt seem to support gpt parition table.. |
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| 00:39.10 | sweetpi | !info gdm3 |
| 00:39.13 | dpkg | gdm3: (Next generation GNOME Display Manager), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.30.5-4 (sid), Packaged size: 1618 kB, Installed size: 7052 kB |
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| 00:43.47 | wimt- | Notice: Freenode is closing down due to a lack of donations. We'll be turning off the servers at the end of the month. If you have any concerns, please email christel(at)freenode.net wimt- TheThing|Anally Skynet- tk7 Jiffe Holborn tpocra zealiod doctorwhite rwp ukine_droid sweetpi rmrfslash rxt0 KittyKatt NickyP davidrussell ceduardo CharminTheMoose LinuxNIT wipt_ IanL preller hiroyuk__ jgoss `comra ariel_g Razec Benny_ psusi salvin jgeboski JohnDoh magnet ho |
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| 00:43.55 | gayne | Notice: Freenode is closing down due to a lack of donations. We'll be turning off the servers at the end of the month. If you have any concerns, please email christel(at)freenode.net Texou petemc cshore_ marcriera siya Gurty et freespace ecain koollman xxtjaxx xdr ksx4system gio343 Tobias| MattJD luminoso_ gbp twofish slon brammator cm_ jelly ghisen digitalmortician no_maam Snow EmleyMoor Ox1 H2S04 bolt-work verwilst JoshH JNSamuel MrFrood arif-ali ayanes ram0 |
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| 00:43.55 | gayne | Notice: Freenode is closing down due to a lack of donations. We'll be turning off the servers at the end of the month. If you have any concerns, please email christel(at)freenode.net desti_T2 cusco jvdm Toni nevyn Roksteady qwd rawtaz LinuXY JasonWoof1 gernot Bercik fatalerrors Niamor joeytwiddle BarthezZ Lokke` meder erez hramrach pipegeek cryptmod99 bla hid3 ksk Daviey Natenom jjman6 psychik CodeNinja metaphys dings raz0 Ober7 i5noc zerohero blue zxd ctp mrtn |
| 00:43.55 | gayne | Notice: Freenode is closing down due to a lack of donations. We'll be turning off the servers at the end of the month. If you have any concerns, please email christel(at)freenode.net sigmonsays {41444d494e}|w Zoubiddaaa phorce1_home andatche mjmt t3a elenril rdw200169 AlertEye DarkCow sshc IdleOne alanp jan0s1k|afk krisfremen xingu ninja1 Chrono^ zobel felipe AmberJ h2oman jargon- styol couannette binbash_ Xanthor[aw] pcc1 DLange jorik musca omes Posterdati ant |
| 00:43.59 | KittyKatt | .... |
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| 00:44.19 | sinedeviance | ... |
| 00:44.20 | sinedeviance | wtf |
| 00:44.46 | CharminTheMoose | :/ |
| 00:45.04 | Gurty | grr |
| 00:45.23 | sinedeviance | it's just spam. dont believe it |
| 00:45.44 | abysed | at least theres no "come to our server" url or anything |
| 00:45.49 | styol | they would notify you differently, for sure... |
| 00:46.28 | psusi | out of curiosity, would anyone here care to help me revive the old deleted defrag package? I just need some sponsorship making sure it's packaged correctly, testing, and getting it uploaded |
| 00:48.30 | dondelelcaro | psusi: there's almost no point in defragmentation utilities for modern filesystems |
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| 00:49.48 | psusi | dondelelcaro, handy for optimizing boot files to all be sequential at the start of the disk so that ureadahead can slurp them all up quick for a lightning fast boot |
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| 00:50.37 | psusi | so while it isn't "neccesary" the way it is on windows... it's still handy sometimes |
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| 00:52.04 | dondelelcaro | psusi: if they're all in the same partition, which is pretty normal, it doesn't matter much. |
| 00:52.25 | dondelelcaro | and in any event, that's orthogonal to defragmentation |
| 00:52.28 | psusi | dondelelcaro, ohh but it does... seeks take time |
| 00:53.32 | psusi | well... yea... boot order optimization is orthogonal to defragmentation |
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| 00:58.52 | itchi | heh, that's been a sad joke about freenode?? |
| 00:59.04 | itchi | dondelelcaro: ^ |
| 00:59.32 | itchi | i'm so tired that i was going to bed... or i'm already dreaming haha :P |
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| 01:00.33 | itchi | ok, it's a bad dream before the good one :D |
| 01:00.44 | itchi | Goodnight all |
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| 01:29.34 | adrianoc | hi guys, when i try to open a file from another machine via ssh, i have folling error: |
| 01:29.35 | adrianoc | volume doesn't implement mount |
| 01:30.00 | adrianoc | i'm using debian lenny (stable), but i installed geany 0.19 from testing |
| 01:30.09 | bronaugh | f'ing board appears to have died. |
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| 01:33.27 | adrianoc | please? |
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| 01:42.45 | dokma | nsadmin, your help with backporting produced a nice little backport of php5-xdebug with trace triggering. thanks again! |
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| 02:14.32 | TheHerbert | when deinstalling a package via "apt-get --purge remove" does it also take care of automatically setup deamons? |
| 02:17.01 | qq- | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:17.47 | jefft | even without the --purge, it should remove daemons |
| 02:18.38 | TheHerbert | i am new to linux, i dont know how deamons are "set up" ... so if i installed postgresql ... it also set up the user, and the deamon ... do i damage seomething when uninstalling it via "apt-get --purge remove"? |
| 02:18.58 | TheHerbert | ok |
| 02:20.30 | qq- | !why aptitude |
| 02:20.30 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades (lenny->squeeze) apt-get is better though. Be careful. |
| 02:22.44 | jordanm | TheHerbert: the difference between purge and removal is the deletion of configuration files |
| 02:23.09 | TheHerbert | i see, thanks |
| 02:23.43 | TheHerbert | but i can only remove via aptitude if it was installed with aptitude, right? |
| 02:24.14 | dvs | no |
| 02:24.44 | TheHerbert | ok |
| 02:24.46 | TheHerbert | thanks |
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| 02:32.47 | dmi3on | hi all, i have problem with 2 nic on debian. traffic is sent all the time to default gatway (eth0) even if traffic originated from (eth1) |
| 02:33.00 | dmi3on | how i solve this ? |
| 02:33.54 | dmi3on | as example ssh works on second NIC if i change default gateway to second nic (eth1), otherwise when eth0 is an default gateway shh is not working |
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| 02:34.22 | pigdude | my screen brightness is not stable...how might I be able to correct that? |
| 02:34.55 | bronaugh | turn off dynamic contrast in your monitor. |
| 02:34.55 | pigdude | it appears to be an OS issue, not a hardware one |
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| 02:35.05 | pigdude | bronaugh, I want to be able to set brightness still |
| 02:35.16 | bronaugh | pigdude: uh, that's not what I said? |
| 02:35.45 | pigdude | bronaugh, that is not what you said I guess |
| 02:36.15 | bronaugh | most newer LCD monitors have a dynamic contrast or contrast enhancement function built into them. |
| 02:36.40 | bronaugh | they acheive this by varying backlight brightness and stretching out the brightness displayed on the LCD panel. |
| 02:36.45 | jefft | dmi3on: as in, you want traffic to a particular host to go over eth1, while leaving eth0 as the default gateway? |
| 02:36.54 | bronaugh | this causes black regions (and sometimes white regions) on screen to vary in brightness. |
| 02:37.13 | pigdude | bronaugh, is this likely controlled in the BIOS admin? |
| 02:37.16 | bronaugh | no |
| 02:37.21 | bronaugh | it's controlled by a setting on the monitor itself. |
| 02:37.32 | dmi3on | jefft, i want from were traffic is orginated there it would be sent |
| 02:37.32 | bronaugh | though on some monitors such things can be controlled by software on the computer. |
| 02:37.46 | bronaugh | it also could be a genuine driver bug. |
| 02:37.47 | zinx | bronaugh: i hate dynamic contrast |
| 02:37.48 | pigdude | bronaugh, this is a laptop. Also, there is no variability in that way. Rather, the entire screen brightness will change at once |
| 02:38.08 | bronaugh | zinx: so do I. |
| 02:38.36 | bronaugh | pigdude: try disconnecting AC; see if brightness changes. then reconnect AC. |
| 02:38.59 | pigdude | bronaugh, that has an effect |
| 02:39.22 | dmi3on | jefft, A = eth0 , B = eth1, C = traffic from outside, when C originates from A then A will be used instead of default gateway, when C originates from B then B will be used in stead of default gateway |
| 02:39.45 | bronaugh | pigdude: so could it be a loose power connector / failing cable causing this? |
| 02:39.55 | bronaugh | wouldn't be OS dependent, but yeah. it's certainly possible. |
| 02:40.02 | bronaugh | Windows could simply not be varying screen brightness on power loss |
| 02:40.04 | pigdude | bronaugh, certainly not. this is a brand new machine |
| 02:40.24 | pigdude | bronaugh, the power connection is solid |
| 02:40.31 | bronaugh | pigdude: ok; can you provide steps to reproduce? |
| 02:40.44 | jefft | dmi3on: what is the destination address of these incoming packets? are you rewriting them (NAT)? |
| 02:40.50 | pigdude | bronaugh, well I sit around and work on stuff, and the brightness intermittently changes |
| 02:41.16 | pigdude | and I have to change the brightness again to compensate |
| 02:41.28 | dmi3on | jefft, can be many wan IP's |
| 02:41.36 | bronaugh | pigdude: uh; seriously don't see how that'd be OS |
| 02:41.46 | bronaugh | pigdude: other than a power management setting. |
| 02:41.48 | pigdude | bronaugh, it is not an easily solvable problem, that is all I needed to know. thanks |
| 02:41.56 | pigdude | bronaugh, yep, I was sure to check all of those first |
| 02:42.05 | bronaugh | smells like hardware. |
| 02:42.12 | bronaugh | could be wrong, of course. |
| 02:42.15 | pigdude | that is likely |
| 02:42.16 | bronaugh | but yeah. that's what it smells like. |
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| 02:42.35 | pigdude | I guess I can taunt it and things |
| 02:43.29 | dmi3on | jefft, its NICs with differnt ISP, simple exmaple i want shh usin one of ISP's from any source address |
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| 02:44.02 | jefft | dmi3on: if you can't do it with a routing table rule ('man route') I guess you'd have to use iptables |
| 02:44.38 | dmi3on | i tryed to use route add -net ... |
| 02:45.27 | dmi3on | is there way to see logs on traffic for one of nics ? |
| 02:46.01 | jefft | dmi3on: tcpdump -i ethX perhaps? |
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| 02:47.33 | dmi3on | jefft, how were dump will be located ? |
| 02:47.37 | dmi3on | thanks a lot |
| 02:48.09 | jefft | dmi3on: ethereal can do the same thing, in a nicer interface |
| 02:48.21 | dmi3on | ok thanks |
| 02:48.22 | jefft | dmi3on: you also may need to twiddle /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward. That's about the extent of my linux networking skillz, sorry :) |
| 02:50.49 | dmi3on | you should be sorry i think you point me in right direction |
| 02:50.57 | dmi3on | i just need to read it up a littel :) |
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| 02:57.19 | jefft | random cool fact for the day: you can create a new Debian source package format '3.0 (foo)' just by creating a file, /usr/share/perl5/Dpkg/Source/Package/V3/foo.pm |
| 02:57.25 | jefft | hooray for dpkg developers |
| 02:57.32 | jefft | and perl's crappy object system |
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| 02:59.44 | jordanm | huh? |
| 03:02.29 | jordanm | there is 3.0 (quilt|native|git|custom|bzr). no "foo", and still, the rest of what you said doesn't make sense either |
| 03:03.14 | jefft | jordanm: the code looks for the string '3.0 (xyz)', then looks up the Dpkg::Source::Package::V3::xyz code and instantiates an object |
| 03:03.51 | jordanm | I guess that is custom |
| 03:04.07 | jefft | no, there's a custom.pm there as well |
| 03:04.21 | jordanm | "This format is particular. It doesn't represent a real source package format but can be used to create source packages with arbitrary files." |
| 03:04.35 | jordanm | jefft: man dpkg-source describes all the source formats |
| 03:04.45 | jefft | the mechanism that implements '3.0 (.*)' is extensible enough that you can implement new formats just by dropping in a new perl file |
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| 03:06.07 | jordanm | now I understand |
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| 03:06.17 | rue_mohr | how do I force downgrade a package? |
| 03:06.42 | jefft | The foo.pm file needs a "package Dpkg::Source::Package::V3::foo;" header and probably needs to inherit from an existing implementation, eg. "use base 'Dpkg::Source::Package::V2';" |
| 03:07.23 | jordanm | !downgrade |
| 03:07.24 | dpkg | [downgrade] Downgrading is not possible with apt-get/aptitude and no future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 03:07.51 | rue_mohr | so I get the deb myself and dpkg it in? |
| 03:08.10 | jordanm | rue_mohr: you probably already have the deb |
| 03:08.19 | jordanm | in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 03:08.20 | rue_mohr | no I just ran apt-get clean |
| 03:08.22 | rue_mohr | I usually do |
| 03:08.25 | dirkson | Hey all. If you guys had to use a web control panel like cpanel on debian, what would you choose? (And why) |
| 03:08.32 | jordanm | ah, I never do.. disk space is cheap |
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| 03:09.08 | rue_mohr | does apt keep a log, I think its *just* binutils that is messed up |
| 03:09.37 | jordanm | rue_mohr: what is the problem? |
| 03:10.09 | rue_mohr | I need to take binutils down to the rest of the system to compile my new kernel so I can install the new binutils and ..... install kompozer |
| 03:10.30 | rue_mohr | (...... = long winded story you dont wanna hear) |
| 03:10.55 | jordanm | rue_mohr: what version of debian is this? |
| 03:10.59 | rue_mohr | 5 |
| 03:11.12 | rue_mohr | but its got a binutils from testing |
| 03:11.18 | qq- | +5 or -5 ? |
| 03:11.22 | rue_mohr | :) |
| 03:11.27 | rue_mohr | 5.0 |
| 03:11.40 | jordanm | rue_mohr: you probably run testing if you managed to accidently grab a non-essential like binutils from testing |
| 03:11.48 | rue_mohr | nope |
| 03:11.49 | jordanm | rue_mohr: pastebin apt-cache policy |
| 03:11.54 | rue_mohr | I force soemthing in bad order |
| 03:12.24 | rue_mohr | I switched sources back to stable tho |
| 03:12.43 | qq- | rue_mohr, reinstall all |
| 03:13.01 | rue_mohr | no, really I just need to manually rewind binutils |
| 03:13.07 | rue_mohr | this didn't get far before it broke |
| 03:13.09 | jordanm | mixing releases is highly not recommended. why are you compiling a custom kernel anyways? |
| 03:13.16 | rue_mohr | I know I know |
| 03:13.22 | rue_mohr | cause the debian kernels suck |
| 03:13.24 | rue_mohr | (sorry) |
| 03:13.25 | qq- | backup + 5 reinstall |
| 03:13.38 | jordanm | rue_mohr: your methodologies suck |
| 03:13.41 | rue_mohr | no I havn't reinstalled for 10 years, I'm not gonna now |
| 03:13.44 | rue_mohr | thanks |
| 03:14.07 | rue_mohr | can I get apt to ignore everything and just download the package for me? |
| 03:14.21 | jordanm | rue_mohr: in 10 years you didn't learn about /var/log/dpkg.log? |
| 03:14.33 | rue_mohr | no! : |
| 03:14.35 | rue_mohr | :) |
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| 03:14.48 | jordanm | rue_mohr: no, did you not read the factoid that said apt/aptitude does not support downgrading? |
| 03:14.57 | rue_mohr | yea |
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| 03:15.31 | jordanm | dpkg supports downgrading, but the maintainers of packages do not |
| 03:15.32 | dpkg | jordanm: I give up, what is it? |
| 03:15.44 | jefft | 'apt-get install --download-only binutils/stable' perhaps? |
| 03:15.58 | rue_mohr | thats fine, if It just reinstalls with what if can get I'll be ok |
| 03:16.11 | jordanm | jefft: oddly enough that requires root |
| 03:16.27 | jordanm | jefft: aptitude download foo; does the sensible thing |
| 03:16.32 | jordanm | !tell jefft about why aptitude |
| 03:16.35 | rue_mohr | I dont think I have any termianls open that are't root |
| 03:16.50 | jordanm | 2010-10-26 23:13 < jordanm> rue_mohr: your methodologies suck |
| 03:16.56 | rue_mohr | yes, thankyou |
| 03:17.15 | psusi | wonders if it is time to run another e2defrag |
| 03:17.23 | rue_mohr | its still looking at the dependencies |
| 03:17.33 | rue_mohr | is there a --freakingdoitalready option? |
| 03:17.44 | rue_mohr | --iknowwhatimdoingdowhatisay |
| 03:17.59 | rue_mohr | --imanidiotdoitanyhow |
| 03:18.00 | jordanm | but you really don't |
| 03:18.15 | jordanm | --iknowhowtobreakthings |
| 03:18.16 | rue_mohr | I do |
| 03:18.29 | rue_mohr | I want it to remove and reinstall the package without touching any dependencies |
| 03:19.01 | jordanm | rue_mohr: so what is the problem? |
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| 03:19.21 | rue_mohr | it broke after isntalling binutils cause my kernel is too old for the new libc6 |
| 03:19.35 | rue_mohr | I cant build th new kernel cause binutils is broken |
| 03:20.32 | jordanm | you run a frakendebian of a stable/testing/random crap mix, what do you expect? |
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| 03:20.45 | rue_mohr | :) |
| 03:21.35 | jordanm | rue_mohr: all while not knowing simple things like dpkg --remove package; dpkg -i package |
| 03:21.56 | jordanm | libc is not something you upgrade on mixed systems, when you do actually mix |
| 03:22.00 | rue_mohr | that will take depedndies with it wont it? |
| 03:22.10 | jordanm | (which is not recommended in the first place) |
| 03:22.40 | jordanm | rue_mohr: you tell me |
| 03:22.42 | psusi | you don't truely know how to break things until you have mastered the use of debugfs ;) |
| 03:24.21 | appletime | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:24.24 | appletime | ok guys |
| 03:24.38 | appletime | I asked some time ago about any known vulns |
| 03:24.54 | appletime | someone finally gave me some info about php exploits that hit debian |
| 03:24.56 | jordanm | !tracker of doom |
| 03:24.56 | dpkg | rumour has it, tracker of doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.org/ or read http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ or http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences |
| 03:24.57 | appletime | and other stuff |
| 03:25.07 | appletime | thanks |
| 03:25.27 | appletime | we're seeing masses of bots from debian users on another network, looked very suspiciuos |
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| 03:26.46 | jordanm | appletime: if you can get more information about how they were exploited, it would useful for the security team |
| 03:26.55 | jordanm | unless they are running etch, which would suprise me |
| 03:26.56 | rue_mohr | huh, kernel is too old for lenny's current binutils |
| 03:26.59 | rue_mohr | hmm |
| 03:27.27 | jordanm | rue_mohr: how old is your kernel? 2.4 still? |
| 03:27.34 | rue_mohr | 2.6.16 |
| 03:27.44 | rue_mohr | .45 |
| 03:27.46 | qq- | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:27.55 | jordanm | ah, older than etches... |
| 03:28.04 | rue_mohr | no I compile my own cause debian kernels suck cuase they overmodulate |
| 03:28.29 | jordanm | rue_mohr: atleast they don't have the ton of root exploits that one has |
| 03:28.53 | rue_mohr | it was newer than the ones available from debian at the time |
| 03:29.06 | jordanm | rue_mohr: when you were running etch testing? |
| 03:29.11 | jordanm | 3 years ago? |
| 03:29.18 | jordanm | err 5 years ago.. |
| 03:29.34 | rue_mohr | I dont know by name, this system has been being upgraded since 2000 |
| 03:29.47 | jordanm | not very well upgraded |
| 03:30.05 | rue_mohr | alot of upgrades break things, so I only upgrade when I HAVE to |
| 03:30.12 | rue_mohr | even on stable |
| 03:30.27 | jordanm | rue_mohr: stable only upgrades for security updates and release-critical bugs on point releases |
| 03:31.00 | jordanm | rue_mohr: debian's definition of stable is rarely changes. you seem to go out of your way to mix and break it, because you know better than the release-team |
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| 03:31.38 | rue_mohr | I think you misunderstand, I came here for help, not critisizm |
| 03:31.38 | jordanm | your environment may require particular things.. but no, I doubt squeeze libc on .16 kernel |
| 03:31.45 | obsidieth | really |
| 03:31.54 | rue_mohr | I'm wodnering what version of binutils I had |
| 03:32.08 | jordanm | rue_mohr: this critism is intended to helpful. although admitidely, I have had a bit to drink tonight |
| 03:32.18 | rue_mohr | cause it seems the oldest one I can get needs a newer kernel |
| 03:32.35 | rue_mohr | binutils_2.18.1~cvs20080103-7_i386.deb |
| 03:32.44 | jordanm | ,versions binutils |
| 03:32.45 | judd | Package binutils on i386 -- etch: 2.17-3+etch1; lenny: 2.18.1~cvs20080103-7; lenny-backports: 2.20-4~bpo50+1; sid: 2.20.1-15; squeeze: 2.20.1-15; experimental: 2.20.51.20101009-1 |
| 03:33.02 | rue_mohr | I suppose I am just being stupid, I should make the kernel on another machine and bring it over |
| 03:33.31 | jordanm | rue_mohr: aptitude install linux-image-686 |
| 03:33.33 | rue_mohr | hmm I didn't have an etch option |
| 03:33.34 | chouchou | hi, another question to ask, |
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| 03:33.43 | jordanm | (assuming i686 arch) |
| 03:33.46 | sifi | anyone here use lxc? |
| 03:33.47 | qq- | rue_mohr, sure use a windows xp from 2003 ... |
| 03:34.00 | rue_mohr | I dont want the debian kernel... |
| 03:34.08 | chouchou | how many package maintainers do we currently have on debian ? |
| 03:34.16 | jordanm | !dstats sid |
| 03:34.23 | jordanm | chouchou: give it about 1min to display |
| 03:34.34 | chouchou | ok |
| 03:34.35 | rue_mohr | can you give me a link to a .deb for etch binutils? |
| 03:34.44 | qq- | !ado |
| 03:34.44 | dpkg | Debian has archives of no-longer-supported releases at http://archive.debian.org/ . To use with <APT>, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For old versions of specific packages, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 03:34.45 | jordanm | !snapshot |
| 03:34.47 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 30214 packages, 2164 maintainers, 97327 MB installed size, 36323 MB compressed size. |
| 03:34.52 | jordanm | !snapshots |
| 03:34.52 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces the old http://snapshot.debian.net/ site that is no longer maintained. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
| 03:35.20 | jordanm | chouchou: +1 for me as of today :) |
| 03:35.35 | chouchou | :) |
| 03:35.48 | qq- | !congratulate jordanm |
| 03:35.48 | dpkg | Nice one jordanm, you did it! |
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| 03:36.04 | chouchou | thanks a lot |
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| 03:38.50 | rue_mohr | according to the dpkg logs, I havn't installed binutils in over 2 years... |
| 03:39.02 | rue_mohr | I cant find the last time is WAS installed |
| 03:39.09 | jordanm | rue_mohr: that was probably the last time it was updated in lenny |
| 03:39.23 | rue_mohr | which is odd, I thought I brough everything up to date with stable about 18 mo ago |
| 03:39.59 | jordanm | rue_mohr: most stable packages have not changed in 18mos. only those with security flaws and very serious bugs |
| 03:40.24 | rue_mohr | I'm trying to work out what version of binutils to choose |
| 03:40.40 | rue_mohr | lower than 2.18 |
| 03:41.38 | jordanm | its debatable whether or not your system could be called debian |
| 03:41.52 | rue_mohr | esp when I keep compiling my own apps |
| 03:42.02 | rue_mohr | I think almost everything is from package now |
| 03:42.16 | rue_mohr | kdenlive was hopeless |
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| 03:42.51 | appletime | I saw one that said it was Debian-9, is that true? |
| 03:43.28 | jordanm | appletime: what? |
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| 03:44.30 | rue_mohr | man I'm going back from 2.16 now... |
| 03:45.07 | jordanm | thats what happens when you refuse to do the sensible thing |
| 03:45.21 | rue_mohr | this is stupid, they didn't have 2.6.16 back in 2006 |
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| 03:45.33 | rue_mohr | what is saying the kernels too old... |
| 03:46.00 | jordanm | perhaps you didn't overmodulize your kernel and you are missing required feature X |
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| 03:46.15 | rue_mohr | no, my kernel works fine |
| 03:46.19 | jordanm | sigh |
| 03:46.30 | rue_mohr | and dosn't have heaps and heaps of garbage in it |
| 03:46.47 | rue_mohr | I think I'm gonna import a kernel built on another system |
| 03:47.28 | jordanm | yeah, why not waste time for nothing |
| 03:47.38 | rxt0 | rue_mohr: don't want to be an intruder, but I can recall that having a modularized kernel is the best thing out here, it allows me to boot the exact system without modifications on any combination of hardware |
| 03:48.25 | rue_mohr | I only boot my kernel on one machine, I know what my hardware is |
| 03:49.22 | jordanm | and presumably you know what things like CONFIG_OPROFILE are... |
| 03:50.04 | rue_mohr | I find out about options that dont work when I need them |
| 03:51.20 | rue_mohr | there is a lot of junk I dont need |
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| 03:52.08 | jordanm | its a waste of time. what do you gain from it? |
| 03:52.40 | jordanm | I have been there, I am a former gentoo user. its just a waste of time, *especially* for a desktop system |
| 03:53.23 | rue_mohr | thats like saying programming in assembler is a waste of time |
| 03:53.29 | rxt0 | rue_mohr: as an advice, you should try out archlinux, it doesn't install "junk" |
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| 03:53.48 | rue_mohr | why not just get more and more memory and faster and faster processors so you can run an operating system programmed in java and C#? |
| 03:53.58 | jordanm | rue_mohr: for 99.9% of things, it is |
| 03:54.27 | rue_mohr | my attitude gets me GREAT perfomance out of machines other than only use as coffeetables |
| 03:54.36 | jordanm | so does mine |
| 03:54.50 | jordanm | AND I spend more time using it |
| 03:55.05 | rue_mohr | I only do this once about every 3 yeras |
| 03:55.18 | rue_mohr | I need to do a major hardware upgrade soon anyhow |
| 03:55.37 | jpinx-eeepc | rue_mohr: in the real world, people pay for what they want - hardware, performance, whatever - they really don't give a damn about esoterics |
| 03:55.56 | rue_mohr | jordanm, whats your low end machine? |
| 03:56.06 | rue_mohr | I dont pay for my computers, I dont have to |
| 03:56.10 | rue_mohr | people throw them out for free |
| 03:56.11 | jpinx-eeepc | I am minimalist, but I don't tell anyone ;) |
| 03:56.52 | rue_mohr | I feel guilty cause the jukebox is a P100, but it works perfectly... I'm waiting for it to die of extra-old age |
| 03:57.03 | rue_mohr | the fan stopped 7 yeras ago |
| 03:57.13 | jordanm | people throw out much newer stuff than that |
| 03:57.22 | rue_mohr | duh :) |
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| 03:57.52 | jordanm | most of throw-aways are pentium-4 era, but also left most of them back home when I moved |
| 03:57.57 | jordanm | I kept my p3 router |
| 03:58.13 | rxt0 | my home server is a 700mhz p3 and guess what, it's running Debian Stable 24/7 <: |
| 03:58.27 | psusi | a pentium 100? I once had a p-90 that could just barely run winamp at 95% cpu load... and that was before it got sold to aol and became a bloated pos. |
| 03:58.35 | rue_mohr | my server is a P150 |
| 03:58.36 | rue_mohr | :P |
| 03:58.56 | rue_mohr | iirc I had hardware problems so the router is a 300 |
| 03:59.08 | legis | I guess you all don't care about the power bill |
| 03:59.11 | legis | :) |
| 03:59.24 | rue_mohr | psusi, yes, the P100 runs apache, mpg123 and samba just fine |
| 03:59.30 | legis | old computers consume more power |
| 03:59.39 | rue_mohr | reaaaaly, |
| 03:59.48 | rue_mohr | I think you mean, per Mhz they consume more |
| 04:00.05 | rue_mohr | the jukebox has a 150W power supply in it, whats yours now got 500? |
| 04:00.16 | rxt0 | any p6 based cpu shouldn't eat a lot of power |
| 04:00.32 | rue_mohr | right, thats why people use 800W supplies on them |
| 04:00.41 | rxt0 | netburst ones...oh yes |
| 04:00.54 | rue_mohr | THE FAN STOPPED IN THE 150 SUPPLY 7 YEARS AGO, SO DID THE PROCESSOR FAN |
| 04:00.55 | rue_mohr | :) |
| 04:01.10 | rue_mohr | damn surprised the harddrives are still spinning |
| 04:01.29 | psusi | you can put together one of those tiny boxes meant for mythtv running a 1+ghz atom processor with like a 50 watt psu in it these days... |
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| 04:02.02 | rue_mohr | yup embedded processors have to be extra efficient |
| 04:02.20 | rxt0 | psusi: If I had enough money believe me I would go and get those efficient, tiny and shiny new atoms |
| 04:02.24 | legis | rue_mohr: I can run 10 machines(vm) on 500W power supply |
| 04:02.33 | legis | rue_mohr: welcome to 2010! |
| 04:02.56 | rue_mohr | so you dont understand why more threads are a bad thing? |
| 04:03.00 | psusi | rxt0, I'd get one right now.. if I could just get the TV programming I want online and drop my $120 a month cable bill |
| 04:03.07 | jefft | this is The Future and we like our kernels modularized ;) |
| 04:03.22 | rue_mohr | the speed of a 1.2Ghz machine running dos (fits in the processor cache) is unbeleivable |
| 04:03.32 | mee | psusi: that's easy, just set the TV programming you want to no TV. Done! :) |
| 04:03.44 | jordanm | rue_mohr: that doesn't make it very useful |
| 04:04.14 | rue_mohr | no, but if operating systems didn't defeat the processor cache by threading so much the performance would be great |
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| 04:04.29 | rxt0 | ipod linux is far better useful than dos <: |
| 04:04.51 | rue_mohr | I agree, but I'm saying |
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| 04:05.28 | rue_mohr | try it, put W3.1 on a new system, 'just for giggles' |
| 04:05.38 | legis | useless |
| 04:05.47 | rue_mohr | giggles are not useless |
| 04:05.56 | rue_mohr | w3.1, thats useless |
| 04:05.59 | rue_mohr | w* |
| 04:07.14 | rxt0 | crap, a small kernel can fit into newer cpu's L2 & L3 caches...I didn't realize until today.. |
| 04:08.43 | jordanm | debian's kernel image can actually |
| 04:09.06 | jordanm | 3 times |
| 04:09.14 | rue_mohr | yea |
| 04:09.23 | rxt0 | oh frack, that's amusing |
| 04:09.53 | rue_mohr | any why does a clock applet take up 6M of memory? |
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| 04:10.45 | rue_mohr | waits for his kernel to compile |
| 04:12.21 | rue_mohr | well you lot have been great to talk to but almost useless for help... er, no I cant say that, you got me enough links to know my origional path definitly was futile |
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| 04:12.58 | rue_mohr | I think I'll go away till I do something else really stupid and need a bail-out |
| 04:13.22 | jordanm | s/need/inevitably need/ |
| 04:13.41 | rue_mohr | have a good day/night/evening/morning/millenium |
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| 04:44.11 | chouchou | hi, I want to set LAMP on a debian server for a hosting purpose. a hosting server dedicated to users. do I need to install them individually or there is a bundle package for that ? |
| 04:44.38 | rdw200169 | did you check tasksel? |
| 04:45.58 | chouchou | whiche one is taskel ? |
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| 04:47.42 | qq- | !lamp |
| 04:47.42 | dpkg | LAMP: Linux, Apache, MySQL, {PHP,Perl,Python} server. Ask me about <install debian><install apache2><install mysql><install php>. (Hmm... doesn't that make it a DAMP stack?), or "aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 mysql-server php5-mysql". http://wiki.debian.org/LaMp |
| 04:49.21 | chouchou | ok, |
| 04:50.06 | chouchou | secondly, do I need to install DirectAdmin before LAMP or the otherway ? I want to have DirectAdmin in order to manage hosting accounts |
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| 05:01.33 | chouchou | ?? |
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| 05:09.41 | mmnicolas | chouchou: shouldnt matter |
| 05:11.42 | chouchou | ok, thanks |
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| 05:34.53 | TheSarge | I am planning on installing Debian on my machine but know I will most likely have trouble with my wifi driver.. |
| 05:35.12 | TheSarge | What should I do to prepare, I will have no internet on the machine untill I get wireless up. |
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| 05:43.34 | TheSarge | Umm hello? |
| 05:43.41 | TheSarge | Is the Debian Community dead now? |
| 05:46.00 | SwedeMike | be patient. |
| 05:47.06 | TheSarge | Um I am.. |
| 05:47.19 | TheSarge | This is rediculous.. 6 years ago this place was never dead. |
| 05:47.31 | TheSarge | Dying distro I guess everyone went to Ubuntu? |
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| 05:49.29 | SwedeMike | it's early morning/middle of the night in the western world, patience. |
| 05:49.53 | TheSarge | So? Look at #ubuntu, #Gentoo, #CentOS ... |
| 05:50.05 | TheSarge | It's early there as well. |
| 05:50.11 | TheSarge | Debian is dead it seems. |
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| 05:53.12 | swellie | TheSarge: Debian is not dead, its simply used by people with much more refined lives, that require getting a decent nights' sleep |
| 05:54.08 | swellie | and in terms of your driver issue, I'm not as much of an expert as others in here, but I don't think it would be safe to speculate on what problems you might encounter. Your best bet is to buy a short cat5 cable so you can have a wired connection if you think you're going to have driver issues |
| 05:56.31 | Deathspawn | and soon to have a user that just requires a decent day worth of sleep... |
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| 05:58.22 | nsadmin | dead debian does dallas diligently |
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| 05:59.27 | nsadmin | yes I suppose it's true... my life comes from a refinery... |
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| 06:01.21 | bbd | also, usually well-asked questions may get answer sooner |
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| 06:07.10 | muhoo | how would i set a netinst installation to use a custom mirror (i.e. a local mirror)? |
| 06:07.19 | appletime | byebye |
| 06:07.20 | muhoo | instead of the popup list it gives of all the ftp sites |
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| 06:10.06 | Andy1978 | I'm trying to install from squeeze netinst, but the installer hangs on "detecting network hardware". Tried both the normal an graphical installer. Any hints? |
| 06:10.35 | beardy | How long do you wait? What network hardware do you have? |
| 06:10.58 | nsadmin | muhoo: maybe you could find where it stores the mirror and edit |
| 06:11.40 | Dewi | Andy1978: you could try a different build. There are periodic releases as well as dailies and weeklies etc |
| 06:11.44 | beardy | muhoo: Use advanced mode when running the installer, there is an option to choose the mirror manually then, when it gives you a list of extra modules. |
| 06:11.51 | muhoo | beardy: thanks! |
| 06:11.58 | Deathspawn | is squeeze even stable yet? |
| 06:12.08 | Andy1978 | beardy: 10min. The PC has no Floppy but I see many fd0 related messages with dmesg |
| 06:12.17 | beardy | Deathspawn: No, squeeze is "testing". Lenny is "stable". |
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| 06:12.26 | nsadmin | is it even? well squeeze does have an even number of letters/// |
| 06:12.44 | Deathspawn | nsadmin: :| |
| 06:12.52 | Dewi | Andy1978: you could check if FDD is disabled in the BIOS |
| 06:12.54 | beardy | Andy1978: Do you know what network interface card you have? |
| 06:13.27 | Dewi | Andy1978: you could also try flipping the "has PNP OS?" question in the BIOS, that can affect probing |
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| 06:13.42 | Dewi | (for better or worse) |
| 06:13.42 | beardy | Andy1978: Also, exactly which installer are you using, the daily built today one? |
| 06:14.12 | nsadmin | so, currently, squeeze is even... wait, no, it's odd... and not stable, while lenny, also odd, is stable |
| 06:14.16 | Andy1978 | beardy: its an Gigabyte 890FXA-UD5 motherboard. I use the installer downloaded yesterday debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 06:14.43 | beardy | nsadmin: That even sounds odd. |
| 06:14.43 | Andy1978 | Dewi: okay, I'll have a deeper look into the bios, now it runs with "Load Setup Defaults" |
| 06:15.03 | nsadmin | let's count the letters in it and see! |
| 06:15.31 | beardy | Andy1978: Does it go on and on on fd0, or stops at it, after 10 minutes? |
| 06:15.31 | Andy1978 | beardy: I have a 6Mont old Debian Live CD which runs fine, so would it help to boot with this and paste some dmesg, lspci usw.? |
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| 06:16.34 | beardy | Andy1978: My first guess is that yesterdays build is just bonky.. but that's good. Either that, or just try with another days build if that's possible. |
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| 06:17.08 | Andy1978 | beardy: goes on and on :-), fd0: rw=0, want=66, limit=8, isofs_fill_super: bread failed, dev=fd0... end_request: I/O error, dev fd0 |
| 06:17.52 | nsadmin | Andy1978, is there a floppy in the drive? |
| 06:17.58 | beardy | Andy1978: Do check the bios the first thing you do, and see if it has a floppy controller toggled on, without you having a floppy drive. |
| 06:18.06 | Andy1978 | nsadmin: no, i have no floppy |
| 06:18.24 | Andy1978 | beardy: okay, give me some minutes :-) |
| 06:18.27 | nsadmin | what beardy said... |
| 06:18.37 | nsadmin | (not the odd part :) |
| 06:18.54 | Dewi | don't do the odd things beardy tells you to |
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| 06:21.51 | Andy1978 | beardy: Floppy was enabled, but I cant find something which says "has PNP OS" |
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| 06:24.20 | Andy1978 | beardy: Ah, now it says "Missing firmware: rtl8168-d-2.fw" after "detecting network hardware" |
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| 06:25.22 | Dewi | Andy1978: that's okay, it's just something that can affect resource mappings in the unusual event of a problem |
| 06:26.22 | Dewi | Andy1978: missing firmware sounds more like an image is missing from the filesystem. Might be a good time to try another build |
| 06:26.58 | Andy1978 | Dewi: no, its part of firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 06:27.29 | Andy1978 | and you know, debian policy ... |
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| 06:28.11 | Dewi | Andy1978: oh. Yeah it's gonna be a pain to make that work during install, unless it's like my 3G modem which I could load firmwares into by loading windows and then hot-rebooting into linux :) |
| 06:28.51 | Dewi | Andy1978: you might be advised to use a non-netinst CD or another network card until the basic install is done |
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| 06:29.47 | Andy1978 | Dewi: hm, it seams that network works without the firmware |
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| 06:33.23 | beardy | Andy1978: Maybe it was seeking for a floppy to load firmware from.. But, if you use the advanced installer mode, maybe there is an option to load firmware from a USB stick (just a guess atm). |
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| 06:35.18 | beardy | Andy1978: "If any of the hardware in your system requires firmware to be loaded with the device driver, you can use one of the tarballs of common firmware packages. Instructions how to use the tarballs and general information about loading firmware during an installation can be found in the Installation Guide (see Documentation below)." |
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| 06:35.23 | beardy | !ig Andy1978 |
| 06:35.29 | beardy | !ig |
| 06:35.29 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.6) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
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| 06:35.36 | beardy | Bah, well. |
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| 06:38.04 | beardy | !tell Andy1978 -about installer firmware |
| 06:38.13 | beardy | That's for lenny though. |
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| 06:51.24 | Andy1978 | beardy: thank you. But I'll install the missing firmware later |
| 06:51.47 | Andy1978 | beardy: i think it runs now in a "compatibility mode" |
| 06:52.49 | beardy | Andy1978: Oh, so you got the installer rolling? |
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| 07:03.13 | klumsy | i'm having trouble upgrading to mono 2.4 on debian lenny.. http://pastebin.com/iH5SZp7z anybody have some hints, its probably elementary and i'm just missing it |
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| 07:15.31 | Jckf | A user is complaining about receiving ACK scans from a Debian box I am managing. Would it be possible for me to track down which process is guilty? |
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| 07:19.26 | Dewi | Jckf: iptables can match on owner, but the owner is probably root anyway to do that kind of scan |
| 07:20.13 | Dewi | Jckf: if there's a consistent source port number, you can find what process is bound to it using netsat |
| 07:20.18 | Dewi | er, netstat |
| 07:20.45 | Jckf | It's port 80 |
| 07:20.56 | Jckf | The scans happen whe the user visits a website I host |
| 07:21.08 | Dewi | Jckf: how many ACKs are we talking about? |
| 07:21.39 | Jckf | I'll check |
| 07:22.14 | Dewi | Jckf: I mean... how do they differ from the normal ACKs a web request will send? |
| 07:22.14 | Jckf | "The router logs show only on every few seconds" |
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| 07:22.32 | Dewi | Jckf: well couldn't that be each hit? |
| 07:22.58 | Jckf | Could be. But he loses connectivity to the machine every time this happens |
| 07:23.06 | Jckf | And it's logged as a DOS attack |
| 07:24.23 | Dewi | anyone else have this problem? |
| 07:24.32 | Jckf | Not that I know of |
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| 07:25.49 | dondelelcaro | Jckf: if he's only seeing one every few seconds, then odds are the router is misconfigured |
| 07:26.05 | dondelelcaro | Jckf: it's pretty normal for a machine that you're connecting to to be sending back ACKs |
| 07:28.30 | Dewi | Jckf: maybe the packets are taking a different path back, and a stateful firewall is surprised to see them |
| 07:29.26 | Jckf | I don't think so. This is a cheap home router that is complaning |
| 07:29.29 | Dewi | Jckf: there's no real evidence you're even sending them, of course |
| 07:29.53 | Dewi | other than... I don't know what the purpose would be in forging them |
| 07:31.29 | Jckf | I'll leave it alone then. Thanks for your help |
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| 07:31.56 | Dewi | Jckf: if you're worried you could watch your wire with tcpdump/ethereal |
| 07:32.29 | Dewi | sorry can't be more help, it's quite a technical issue |
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| 07:39.33 | Fare | hum. Does anyone understand debootstrap? |
| 07:40.00 | Fare | I'm trying to cross-install an armel system from a x86-64 machine with qemu-arm-static |
| 07:40.29 | Fare | however, whatever I try to do after the debootstrap, apt complains that it can't immediately configure libc6 |
| 07:42.32 | Fare | indeed, the cross /var/lib/dpkg/status is corrupted -- stripped bare |
| 07:43.17 | dalias | where does one report kernel bugs these days? |
| 07:43.28 | dalias | i found what might be the most obscure bug ever :) |
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| 07:45.23 | ov3rmind | :) |
| 07:46.07 | damp | no |
| 07:46.36 | dalias | binfmt_aout thinks its failed to mmap the data section and kills the process if the data section is zero size |
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| 08:34.28 | wrksx | mornin everyone. |
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| 08:35.58 | ov3rmind | morning |
| 08:36.16 | wrksx | is there a dpkg-buildpackage option to chooses which package exactly to build from sources ? |
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| 08:40.50 | wrksx | dpkg-buildpackage -nc is supposed not to clean the sources. What command is used to clean ssources? |
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| 08:47.40 | chouchou | hello good morning all, pls can someone help provide a link of set by step installation instruction along with screenshots of Debian Server ? |
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| 08:49.46 | asdmorn | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:49.47 | y3llow | chouchou: google preseed.txt |
| 08:50.19 | chouchou | ok, |
| 08:50.31 | chouchou | I want something along with screen shots |
| 08:50.42 | petern_ | why would you need screenshots? |
| 08:51.07 | asdmorn | if he asks for your name, enter your name. |
| 08:51.14 | asdmorn | ;) |
| 08:51.59 | Xanbreon | Imagine a black screen with white text! |
| 08:52.10 | Xanbreon | Well, might be some blue and gray nowadays ;) |
| 08:52.29 | petern_ | Blue background, yes :) |
| 08:52.46 | Xanbreon | My goodness, so modern ;) |
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| 08:52.57 | zwt | hi guys |
| 08:53.02 | zwt | jelly: are you here? |
| 08:54.13 | zwt | I reinstalled the system with debootstrap and removed the old partition which was /dev/sda1 and updated grub. now the system boots into grub prompt |
| 08:54.13 | jelly | maaybe |
| 08:54.21 | zwt | oh gosh |
| 08:54.22 | zwt | great |
| 08:54.23 | zwt | so |
| 08:54.46 | zwt | I can boot the system if I issue find/boot/grub/stage1 then setup (hd0,2) |
| 08:55.09 | zwt | how can I achieve not to specify this in the grub prompt after each reinstall with debootstrap? |
| 08:55.16 | zwt | what should I modify i menu.lst? |
| 08:55.17 | zwt | in |
| 08:55.28 | zwt | im andrewnemeth from yesterday |
| 08:55.28 | zwt | :) |
| 08:55.58 | Xanbreon | dun dun duh dun dun |
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| 08:56.29 | zwt | also if I issue configfile (hd0,2)/boot/grub/menu.lst I can select the right kernel and its boot |
| 08:56.48 | zwt | let me show the menu.lst |
| 08:56.49 | zwt | sec |
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| 08:57.53 | zwt | http://pastebin.com/4dUXRi2B this is how it looks like now |
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| 08:58.24 | zwt | I also tried uncommenting default root device but didnt help |
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| 09:04.11 | zottel | hi, i'm trying to compile my own version of opencv, in the past this wasn't a problem but now with debian squeeze (full updated) somehow /usr/include/ffmpeg vanished, and apt-file search ffmpeg | grep include only displays: libffmpegthumbnailer-dev |
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| 09:06.18 | zwt | jelly: any idea?:o |
| 09:07.38 | jelly | zwt: looks reasonable (except for that rhel kernel without initrd), how does /boot/grub/device.map look? |
| 09:07.51 | zwt | lets see |
| 09:08.31 | zwt | jelly: (hd0)/dev/sda |
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| 09:09.18 | XB23 | hi guys, having a werid thing here - i had 100% usage on my hdd |
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| 09:09.40 | XB23 | i cleared stuff off df -h now days 901GB used 915G size |
| 09:09.47 | XB23 | but it says 0 avail and 100% usage |
| 09:09.56 | XB23 | i dont understand why, ive cleared some stuff off |
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| 09:11.30 | Sarper | XB23, check the pagefile "virtual mem" usage |
| 09:12.10 | themill | !reserved disk space |
| 09:12.10 | dpkg | Filesystems usually reserve some space that only root can use to make it easier to recover from a disk being filled by a user or daemon. Reserved space (usually 5%) is not included in the "available" column of the output of "df". Reserved space is particularly important on the root filesystem; you can reduce it on other partitions with tune2fs -m PERCENT. See also http://boncey.org/2006_11_18_reclaiming_ext3_disk_space. |
| 09:13.16 | XB23 | how do i do that Sarper? |
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| 09:14.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... or read the factoid themill brought up... |
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| 09:16.36 | zwt | jelly: any idea?:S |
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| 09:17.17 | jelly | zwt: not really, too busy to think about it properly |
| 09:17.22 | wrksx | dpkg-reconfigure can be used to reconfigure installed package. But we're not talkin about the same ./configure ran during a package buid, is it ? |
| 09:17.37 | wrksx | meant are we =) |
| 09:17.48 | zwt | jelly: okey I get back to you in 2 hours you might be able to help then |
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| 09:18.00 | Stereo | hi everyone |
| 09:18.08 | asdmorn | good morning |
| 09:18.12 | wrksx | mornin |
| 09:18.33 | Stereo | I have a bunch of photo.jpg files scattered in directories. I'd like to symlink them all in a separate folder in a new directory |
| 09:19.07 | Stereo | something like find foo -name photo.jpg -exec ln -s {} $COUNTER/. |
| 09:19.19 | Stereo | and I can't find how to increment a counter inside of `find' |
| 09:19.40 | Stereo | I've tried -exec mkdir (($i++)) \; -exec ln -s "{}" "$i/" \; |
| 09:19.51 | Stereo | but it doesn't increment |
| 09:19.56 | Stereo | same with let i++ or eval |
| 09:19.59 | Stereo | what am I doing wrong |
| 09:20.02 | Stereo | ? |
| 09:20.37 | wrksx | Stereo, dunno but #bash guys would maybe help you. |
| 09:21.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | I did something like that |
| 09:22.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | but could use for... |
| 09:22.14 | asdmorn | i guess find spawns new shells for each -exec. the environment could not be altered. you could try a for loop |
| 09:22.53 | asdmorn | e.g. for file in `find photos`; do ... |
| 09:23.18 | themill | just hope there aren't any paths with spaces in them |
| 09:23.20 | asdmorn | but you will get problems if there are white spaces in the file names. |
| 09:23.27 | asdmorn | yes. |
| 09:23.59 | Sarper | Stereo, http://aplawrence.com/Unixart/recursivegrep.html |
| 09:25.06 | frikinz | Stereo: why don't you "ln -s /the/dir/* ." ? |
| 09:25.31 | Sarper | find ./* is the best |
| 09:25.47 | frikinz | mmh did not see the mkdir |
| 09:25.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | Stereo, #bash, look at topic -> http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/030 |
| 09:26.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | find . -name '*.foo' -print0 | while IFS= read -r -d $'\0' f; do your.stuff; done |
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| 09:27.07 | Stereo | thank you all |
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| 09:27.30 | Stereo | frikinz: the files are scattered around folders |
| 09:27.38 | Sarper | that is what we are here for |
| 09:28.25 | Sarper | tell you one thing, lenny dont like the experimental 64bit kernel atm |
| 09:28.28 | Stereo | xargs will, I think, also invoke a subshell and lose my counter |
| 09:28.48 | petemc | find /foo | while read ; do ln -s "$REPLY" /bar/`basename $REPLY` ; done |
| 09:28.54 | Stereo | the for loop and the read thing could work |
| 09:29.17 | Sarper | my system is about as stable as an elephant in a glass house |
| 09:29.19 | Stereo | yes, CutMeOwnThroat said something similar |
| 09:30.35 | Sarper | my fatal log is spewing about 15 lines per minute |
| 09:30.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sarper, that's pretty stable... very few elephants have been known to die in glass houses |
| 09:31.15 | Sarper | glad I test this shit in a sandbox |
| 09:31.20 | Sarper | pardon my lang |
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| 09:31.59 | Sarper | looks like the biggest problem is, go figure, endian |
| 09:32.09 | Stereo | asdmorn: your for loop idea works just fine, thank you :) |
| 09:33.10 | Sarper | woot, CutMeOwnThroat my experimental went 5.3291 minutes before crashing spectacularly |
| 09:33.14 | wrksx | Sarper, did you meant stable as a one-legged person on an ice-ring ? |
| 09:33.31 | Stereo | thank you too themill, Sarper, frikinz, CutMeOwnThroat and petemc |
| 09:33.59 | Stereo | oh, no |
| 09:34.07 | Sarper | oh no |
| 09:34.15 | Stereo | you were right about the spaces in the filenames, themill |
| 09:34.18 | Sarper | it symlinked the symlinks didnt it |
| 09:34.22 | Stereo | no |
| 09:34.29 | Stereo | it broke because there's a space in the path |
| 09:34.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps he meant as stable as a patient on his death-bed 5.3291 minutes before he dies... |
| 09:34.47 | Sarper | CutMeOwnThroat, funny |
| 09:34.58 | Sarper | Stereo, try regexp |
| 09:35.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | Stereo, we told you that! go to the link from the bash faq and look at the examples! |
| 09:35.01 | wrksx | CutMeOwnThroat, probably something of this kind....=) |
| 09:35.10 | Stereo | you did indeed |
| 09:35.15 | zottel | push_up: i'm trying to compile my own version of opencv, in the past this wasn't a problem but now with debian squeeze (full updated) somehow /usr/include/ffmpeg vanished, and apt-file search ffmpeg | grep include only displays: libffmpegthumbnailer-dev |
| 09:35.24 | Stereo | I'll try your solution, or sarper's link, yes |
| 09:35.31 | zottel | does anyone know what has happened to those header files? |
| 09:35.57 | Sarper | they should be in /usr/share |
| 09:36.08 | Sarper | or /usr/lib |
| 09:36.16 | Stereo | ah, sarper's link won't work because xargs uses a sub-shell |
| 09:36.22 | Stereo | so my counter gets lost |
| 09:36.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | Stereo, I wasn't quoting the bash-faq for fun, but because solutions there work and don't break... this is for renaming files, but the 3rd example can be easily adapted to your needs |
| 09:37.08 | Sarper | woot, the experimental is working now, just used the kernel interfaces from Etch to patch up lenny |
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| 09:37.18 | Xanbreon | But quoting FAQ's is fun for all the family |
| 09:37.24 | Sarper | always |
| 09:37.54 | Xanbreon | er, your using a bit of etch with lenny to make an experimental kernel work? |
| 09:38.03 | Sarper | yeah |
| 09:38.13 | Xanbreon | That sounds totally bonkers |
| 09:38.19 | Sarper | etch is quite versatile for its age |
| 09:38.24 | Stereo | CutMeOwnThroat: ooh, wrong link. Very sorry. |
| 09:38.27 | Sarper | kinda like a fine wine |
| 09:38.34 | Xanbreon | Haahaha |
| 09:38.36 | Sarper | lol |
| 09:38.51 | Stereo | CutMeOwnThroat: that does indeed look perfect. Thank you. |
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| 09:39.44 | wrksx | How can I force dpkg to remove a package even if it mean breaking some deps ? |
| 09:39.50 | wrksx | some depedencies ? |
| 09:40.00 | Stereo | cumbersome, though |
| 09:40.01 | Sarper | wrksx, -f |
| 09:40.06 | Stereo | wrksx: what are you trying to achieve? |
| 09:40.29 | wrksx | Sarper I tried but dpkg: conflicting actions -f (--field) and -r (--remove) |
| 09:40.46 | Sarper | oh dpkg |
| 09:40.53 | Sarper | srry thought u said apt |
| 09:41.12 | wrksx | Stereo, I try to remove a package and then install in it's place another version of the same package |
| 09:41.56 | Sarper | wrksx, --force |
| 09:42.02 | Sarper | if I remember right |
| 09:42.11 | wrksx | Sarper, ok, i'll give it a try |
| 09:42.11 | Stereo | could you just install the other version instead? |
| 09:42.17 | Sarper | if not look at dpkg --force-help |
| 09:42.21 | wrksx | Stereo, dunno |
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| 09:42.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | wrksx, just do dpkg -i package |
| 09:43.08 | wrksx | CutMeOwnThroat, it will discard the old one that is already installed ? |
| 09:43.13 | Stereo | yes, that will simply install the other version, and won't make dpkg scream |
| 09:43.14 | Stereo | yes |
| 09:43.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | it'll replace it |
| 09:43.22 | wrksx | perfect =) |
| 09:43.25 | wrksx | but ! |
| 09:43.26 | Sarper | oh |
| 09:43.27 | frikinz | I never tried but this might work: apt-get -oldpkg +newpkg ? |
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| 09:43.37 | frikinz | apt-get install -old +new |
| 09:43.38 | Stereo | CutMeOwnThroat: that bash faq think broke on spaces too |
| 09:43.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | there can only be one version of a package installed |
| 09:43.53 | Stereo | frikinz: I think that works with aptitude |
| 09:43.58 | Sarper | I thought wrksx was trying to force multiple versions on the same system, lol |
| 09:43.59 | wrksx | now how to fix this: dpkg -l => ri mysql-server-core-5.1 |
| 09:44.20 | wrksx | Sarper, you were wrong =) |
| 09:44.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | Stereo, I don't believe that! |
| 09:44.46 | Stereo | CutMeOwnThroat: nevermind, the bash faq thing works fine. My mistake. |
| 09:44.48 | Sarper | I write alot of programs so it is a curse of mine to force multiple versions |
| 09:44.58 | wrksx | forget it I suppose it will self fix when installing the new one |
| 09:44.58 | Stereo | I used the wrong variable... |
| 09:45.04 | Stereo | hangs head in shame |
| 09:45.21 | wrksx | Sarper, must be a pain |
| 09:45.22 | frikinz | wrksx: yes. or use aptitude in TUI mode (without parameter) |
| 09:45.34 | wrksx | k thx all ! |
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| 09:51.22 | Sarper | anyone else tried sid? |
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| 09:51.33 | Sarper | the latest sid is crazy |
| 09:52.00 | Xanbreon | I think I pull in a bit from sid |
| 09:52.03 | Xanbreon | =p |
| 09:52.43 | omid8bimo | sid is awesome |
| 09:53.23 | Sarper | sid squeeze freaked me out with the new structure, but this new sid is weird |
| 09:54.04 | Xanbreon | atm everythings working touch wood, thats all I care about ;p |
| 09:54.11 | frikinz | Sarper: how crazy? it runs here |
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| 09:55.09 | Sarper | frikinz, it utilized the sub-structure on all 8 cores of my server processor without blinking |
| 09:55.25 | Sarper | no Deb dist has ever been able to do that |
| 09:55.59 | Sarper | it freaked me out |
| 09:56.02 | Sarper | big time |
| 09:56.14 | wrksx | wich version is sid ? |
| 09:56.16 | Xanbreon | What do you mean by utilized the sub-structure? |
| 09:56.19 | wrksx | which |
| 09:56.20 | ilor | hi, I'm looking for a gnome screensaver that shows cpu and memory usage. Does anyone know something like it? |
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| 09:57.25 | Sarper | Xanbreon, it was able to run multiple backend processes as well as calculate pi on the front end |
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| 09:58.13 | Sarper | when it did it swapped all data between cores automatically so as not to clutter the head |
| 09:58.23 | Sarper | that is some smooth shit |
| 09:58.27 | themill | wonders if the general discussion should move to #debian-offtopic (#debian is a support channel) |
| 09:58.49 | Xanbreon | Oh, your talking about cpu scheduling |
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| 10:23.58 | Sarper | oh no! it is lightstorm's brother |
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| 10:29.45 | armetiz | Hi there |
| 10:29.50 | armetiz | I'm trying to install PPTP server |
| 10:30.01 | armetiz | I have already create a Virtual Machin ith PPTPD that work fine |
| 10:30.11 | armetiz | but on production server, It can't work :/ |
| 10:30.18 | armetiz | I don't find any log message.. |
| 10:30.27 | armetiz | do you know where I can find them ? |
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| 10:43.34 | armetiz | any one here ? |
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| 10:47.00 | zwt | jelly: are you here? |
| 10:47.16 | zwt | jelly: how things are going? |
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| 10:50.16 | couannette | hi all, any new report about #522709, even with a 2.6.32 kernel ? |
| 10:52.44 | couannette | wow! I'm reading about the umask problem. Trying again :) |
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| 10:58.05 | dudz_ | i've been doing some reading up raid and came across soemthing called TLER that western digital drives aparently have disabled on there desktop hard drives, though i'm using some desktop hard drives in a raid5 array |
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| 10:58.22 | dudz_ | i was just wondering if anyone knows howto enable this feature or how to check if it is or isn't enabled |
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| 10:59.29 | dudz_ | Time-Limited Error Recovery aka TLER |
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| 11:01.12 | dudz_ | i've actually notied this kinda thing happen before, i had a few drives being displayed as faulty and rejected from a raid 5 array, and because i didn't have any other drive on hand at that time i put the drive back in and rebuilt onto it and it worked again untill i replaced it. |
| 11:01.50 | dudz_ | it showed up in smartmontools as that drive having errors |
| 11:01.55 | dudz_ | but it was still functioning |
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| 11:08.58 | couannette | wow! it works without umask 007 :) ! |
| 11:09.46 | armetiz | When I try to establish a PPTP connection, I have GRE: Bad checksum from ppdp |
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| 11:09.56 | armetiz | And the connection fails.. |
| 11:09.59 | armetiz | Do you have any clue ? |
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| 11:28.38 | zwt | jelly: here? |
| 11:29.46 | jelly | zwt: no... ask the channel! |
| 11:29.57 | zwt | k |
| 11:30.36 | zwt | so after a reboot debian gives the grub prmpt |
| 11:30.38 | zwt | prompt |
| 11:30.56 | zwt | with configfile (hd0,2)/boot/grub/menu.lst I can select the kernel and its booting file |
| 11:31.14 | zwt | how can I make to be the default and boot automatically? |
| 11:31.26 | zwt | the kernel has been already set to default in menu.lst |
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| 11:35.06 | l403 | hello. I have no uotput from gconf-sanitycheck-2 is that okay? |
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| 11:35.40 | l403 | ..does that mean the gconf is okay? |
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| 11:38.01 | rTypo | hey guys just a quick question for someone on #linux. does debian (last stable release) have automount (for removable storage) installed out-the-box? |
| 11:38.35 | l403 | rTypo, very likely |
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| 11:47.00 | babilen | rTypo: That depends on what you call "out-(of)-the-box"⦠If you mean an installation with Gnome (or other DE) you certainly get automounting, but the same is not true for a minimal install (i.e. one that does not install the Desktop task) |
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| 11:48.15 | rTypo | babilen: thanks. it's with gnome/kde |
| 11:48.36 | zwt | anybody knows why does boot the system even with grub default specified? |
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| 11:50.48 | babilen | zwt: What? |
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| 11:52.38 | zwt | babilen: I reinstalled the system with debootstrap on /dev/sda3 then I removed the old partition which was /dev/sda1 now I always get the grub prompt at boot |
| 11:52.52 | zwt | even though in menu.lst there has been specified the correct kernel |
| 11:53.07 | zwt | If I issue configfile (hd0,2)/boot/grub/menu.lst at grub prompt |
| 11:53.14 | zwt | I can pick the correct one and its booting |
| 11:53.25 | zwt | but how can I make to boot automatically? |
| 11:55.30 | zwt | babilen: sec |
| 11:55.35 | babilen | zwt: "update-grub" and (maybe) grub-install "/dev/REPLACETHIS" might be all you need (or am i missing something?) |
| 11:55.45 | zwt | I did that |
| 11:56.17 | zwt | babilen: let me setup the system 2min |
| 11:56.22 | babilen | sure |
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| 12:06.01 | armetiz | I have a PPTP problem... GRE Bad Checksum from pptp, any one have an idea about that ? |
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| 12:18.30 | wrksx | what's the difference beetween |
| 12:18.31 | wrksx | make[2]: Entering directory `/home/pj/build/mysql-5.1-5.1.49/storage/sphinx' |
| 12:18.35 | wrksx | and |
| 12:18.36 | wrksx | make[3]: Entering directory `/home/pj/build/mysql-5.1-5.1.49/include' |
| 12:18.48 | wrksx | I'm talikin about the [2/3] |
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| 12:22.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | you're compiling with -j something? |
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| 12:26.01 | wrksx | CutMeOwnThroat, simply make |
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| 12:40.49 | armetiz | Any here know PPTP configuration ? |
| 12:40.52 | armetiz | I have a problem.. |
| 12:40.58 | armetiz | And I can't find anything |
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| 12:41.27 | qknight | hello. i want to download the source-code for apt (apt-get) but i can't find it |
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| 12:41.40 | qknight | even the wikipedia does not link to the VCS so i wonder where to get it |
| 12:42.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | on a debian system simpla apt-get source apt |
| 12:42.32 | babilen | armetiz: I would also try ##networking -- they might now other relevant channel (or even the solution) |
| 12:42.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | and if you want to automatically compile it, apt-get -b source apt |
| 12:42.39 | qknight | CutMeOwnThroat: will that download the source? |
| 12:42.43 | armetiz | oki, thanks babilen |
| 12:43.15 | babilen | armetiz: goog luck (sorry, but i know nothing about pptp) |
| 12:43.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes! that's what you asked, that's what I answered! |
| 12:43.49 | armetiz | no problem babilen |
| 12:43.53 | babilen | zwt: progress? |
| 12:43.54 | armetiz | thanks for channel ;) |
| 12:44.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | the source package usually consists of 3 files... outside debian you'd need to look at packages.debian.org |
| 12:44.34 | zwt | babilen: sent you a message:o |
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| 12:45.07 | qknight | CutMeOwnThroat: i don't have a debian machine around right now. i try packages.debian.org |
| 12:45.10 | qknight | thanks |
| 12:46.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | qknight, http://packages.debian.org/testing/admin/apt ---> http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/apt/apt_0.8.6.tar.gz |
| 12:46.28 | qknight | thanks very much! |
| 12:46.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | the dsc file has the build dependencies |
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| 12:47.58 | qknight | thanks again |
| 12:48.07 | babilen | zwt: Just keep it in the channel -- other people in here might have good ideas as well |
| 12:48.39 | zwt | babilen: I asked here multiple times and they didnt:p maybe CutMeOwnThroat have |
| 12:48.47 | zwt | I will have a system setup again |
| 12:48.57 | zwt | so I can show you the files |
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| 12:49.50 | babilen | zwt: So you executed "update-grub" and (if that wasn't enough) "grub-install /dev/REPLACETHISWITHTHECORRECTVAL |
| 12:50.01 | babilen | and it did not fix your problem? |
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| 12:53.07 | zwt | babilen: I had a centos base system on /dev/sda1 I installed debian on a seperate partition (/dev/sda3) with the help of debootstrap then I issued reboot and the system came back now with debian. The boot folder was empty but grub was installed on debian so I just moved the boot folder from the centos base system to the debian (of course removed grub.conf) and then issue grub-update which updated menu.lst file (I also run install-mbr /dev/sda3) |
| 12:53.08 | zwt | then I removed the old centos system which is on /dev/sda1 (removed the partition) and rebooted the system. Now I got the grub prompt. After I issued configfile (hd0,2)/boot/grub/menu.lst it give me the list of kernels and it boots fine if I click on it |
| 12:53.43 | zwt | babilen: I checked the menu.lst file and the default option has been set correctly but no luck. I also uncommented groot but nothing |
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| 12:54.29 | zwt | babilen: there is a fix though I ran find /boot/grub/stage1 then setup (hd0,2) and after the next reboot it boots into the default kernel |
| 12:55.04 | zwt | babilen: however now Im looking the way to fix this since I wont have console access every time I reinstall the system so I can execute find and setup manually at grub prompt |
| 12:55.13 | zwt | now who can help me?:D |
| 12:56.08 | babilen | and you executed "grub-install /dev/whatever" also? |
| 12:56.18 | zwt | yes |
| 12:56.20 | babilen | (from within your Debian chroot) |
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| 12:59.05 | zwt | babilen: may I give you console access? |
| 12:59.18 | babilen | zwt: No |
| 12:59.23 | zwt | eh |
| 12:59.41 | zwt | CutMeOwnThroat: any idea?:o |
| 13:01.04 | babilen | But it might be a good idea to take a look at your /boot/grub/grub.cfg (if you use grub 2) |
| 13:01.12 | zwt | I dont |
| 13:01.15 | zwt | its just grub |
| 13:01.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | can't abide grub |
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| 13:01.24 | zwt | let me give you |
| 13:01.25 | zwt | sec |
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| 13:04.15 | frikinz | zwt: wait, I have a similiar problem. I get a file not found after welcome to grub then grub rescue. I can ls to hd0,1/ and see my boot/ but I have very limited commands available and not configfile. Are u on grub legacy? |
| 13:04.38 | zwt | frikinz: did you use debootstrap? |
| 13:05.18 | zwt | frikinz: root (hd0,1) then configfile (hd0,1)/boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 13:06.00 | frikinz | zwt: no, I needed to clone a debian, so tarred and untarred then bind mount proc dev, chroot, grub-install update-grub etc.. had some issues with devicemap though.. normal, in the chroot it's sda2 and when I boot the system its sda1. |
| 13:06.13 | frikinz | zwt: root I have. but not configfile. whaaattt? |
| 13:06.23 | zwt | ah |
| 13:06.24 | frikinz | and root is ok |
| 13:06.24 | babilen | zwt: You might also want to try: "grub" â "root (hdN,N)" "setup (hdN)" "quit" (replace N with correct values) |
| 13:06.46 | zwt | babilen: from the grub prompt? |
| 13:07.00 | zwt | frikinz: issue root (hd0,1) then enter |
| 13:07.01 | babilen | zwt: yes ("grub" will start the grub prompt) |
| 13:07.52 | zwt | babilen: I need a solution not via grub prompt but via menu.lst since as I said I can start the system from grub prompt but its not fine since I wont have access to console every time I reinstall the system |
| 13:08.16 | babilen | zwt: No, run these commands in your chroot |
| 13:08.38 | zwt | frikinz: then issue configfile (hd0,1) /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 13:08.40 | frikinz | zwt: yes, did that, but didn't change anything. typing set shows that it was already this. |
| 13:09.00 | zwt | frikinz: then you will be able to choose the kernel |
| 13:09.02 | babilen | zwt: Also, how did you call "grub-install" ? |
| 13:09.04 | frikinz | no, I have no configfile. actually, its very weird. my prompt is "grub-rescue>" |
| 13:09.19 | zwt | babilen: grub-install?:) grub-install =dev=sda3 |
| 13:09.22 | zwt | I mean |
| 13:09.28 | zwt | grub-install /dev/sda3 |
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| 13:10.44 | babilen | zwt: Don't you wanted to install grub to the MBR? (i.e. call "grub-install /dev/sda" ??) |
| 13:10.47 | Rienzilla | is it squeeze/sid? |
| 13:11.00 | zwt | sid |
| 13:11.05 | Rienzilla | (i've just seen this where there was a chainload to grub2 installed) |
| 13:11.22 | zwt | babilen: yes thats what I wanted thats why I issued grub-install /dev/sda3 |
| 13:11.29 | Rienzilla | and grub2 apparently gets its config information from somewhere else |
| 13:11.50 | babilen | zwt: "grub-install /dev/sda" (note the missing "3") |
| 13:12.00 | frikinz | humm I think my mbr has grub2 while I am supposed to use grub1 |
| 13:12.09 | zwt | babilen: ? |
| 13:12.17 | zwt | babilen: read my previous reply |
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| 13:12.54 | zwt | babilen: let me get the files for you |
| 13:12.54 | zwt | sec |
| 13:12.57 | babilen | zwt: I don't quite understand why you used "sda3" instead of "sda" -- you might want to elaborate on that |
| 13:13.15 | zwt | babilen: well right but really doesnt matter both do the same:p |
| 13:13.38 | babilen | (and i think that you still boot an old version of grub (i.e. the one from centos) |
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| 13:14.00 | babilen | zwt: No, the first installs grub to the MBR and the latter to a partition |
| 13:14.25 | zwt | babilen: so should I use grub-install /dev/sda instead of /dev/sda3? |
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| 13:14.44 | frikinz | zwt: i think yes. at least that what I did to install to mbr. |
| 13:14.53 | zwt | let me see |
| 13:14.58 | zwt | hm |
| 13:15.09 | frikinz | ok I have found my problem.. do not mix grub 1 and grub 2.. |
| 13:15.22 | babilen | frikinz: Sane advice :) |
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| 13:15.49 | zwt | babilen: http://pastebin.com/ghaYyyYq what I issued |
| 13:16.27 | zwt | babilen: http://pastebin.com/awDHBfZP menu.lst |
| 13:16.56 | zwt | babilen: http://pastebin.com/8H6hxDAF partitions |
| 13:17.02 | babilen | zwt: You are supposed to run "update-grub" *prior* to "grub-install /dev/sda" -- but apart from that it looks good |
| 13:17.20 | zwt | lets take a look at the partitions |
| 13:17.33 | zwt | babilen: sda1 contains centos and sda3 contains debian |
| 13:17.49 | zwt | babilen: if I remove sda1 with fdisk does the boot order or labeling change? |
| 13:17.55 | zwt | babilen: or will remain the same? |
| 13:18.30 | zwt | babilen: so after removing sda1 should I modify anything in menu.lst? |
| 13:18.38 | zwt | babilen: or run anything again? |
| 13:18.41 | frikinz | babilen: really? i thought update-g would update in menu.lst and grub-install to the mbr. dissociated I thought. |
| 13:19.07 | babilen | man grub-mkconfig |
| 13:19.20 | babilen | ^^^ called by update-grub |
| 13:19.33 | frikinz | shortest man page found |
| 13:19.42 | frikinz | :) |
| 13:20.26 | babilen | hehe |
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| 13:20.49 | frikinz | I'll do everything two times anyway :) |
| 13:20.57 | zwt | babilen: so what do you think?:) |
| 13:22.31 | babilen | zwt: Re-run "grub-install /dev/sda" and reboot (should be fixed now) |
| 13:22.46 | zwt | babilen: after removing sda1? |
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| 13:24.02 | zwt | babilen: I mean after I removed sda1 should I run grub-install? |
| 13:24.07 | babilen | zwt: No, leave it there. You might want to make sure that you have os-prober installed though (to recognise other OSs) |
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| 13:24.26 | frikinz | and that your uuid in menu.lst is the correct one |
| 13:24.29 | zwt | babilen: os-prober?:o |
| 13:24.38 | zwt | frikiniz: thats correct |
| 13:24.52 | zwt | babilen: I dont have other OSs installed |
| 13:25.09 | zwt | babilen: will the order of partitions change if I remove the first one? |
| 13:26.03 | frikinz | but then root (hd0,2) has also to be checked. this was really messy in grub1 |
| 13:26.03 | babilen | zwt: Don't you have CentOS installed? |
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| 13:26.42 | zwt | babilen: yes I have and its booting fine as well as debian but after removing the centos partition (sda1) it wont |
| 13:27.10 | frikinz | hd0,2 .. |
| 13:27.39 | babilen | zwt: Well, let us verify that it works *prior* to removing the first partition. Is it? |
| 13:27.48 | zwt | babilen: yes it is |
| 13:27.57 | zwt | babilen: it works just fine |
| 13:28.00 | babilen | Well, great. |
| 13:28.28 | zwt | babilen: then?:D |
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| 13:28.58 | babilen | then what? What are you trying to achieve now? |
| 13:29.20 | zwt | babilen: oh gosh do you know whats my problem?:p |
| 13:29.27 | frikinz | zwt: then it must be this root hd0,2 that creates the problem |
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| 13:29.37 | frikinz | or? |
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| 13:30.20 | babilen | zwt: I thought your problem was that you had to manually boot Debian from (the old Centos?) grub, which is fixed now? |
| 13:30.45 | ecolitan | how can i see the GID of running process? |
| 13:30.46 | zwt | babilen: are you sure? since we didnt do anything else what I already did before |
| 13:31.00 | zwt | babilen: anyway let me remove the centos partition and we will see |
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| 13:31.25 | babilen | zwt: You said it works fine ... and you called "grub-install /dev/sda" instead of "grub-install /dev/sda3" |
| 13:31.40 | zwt | babilen: what I said it works? for what? |
| 13:33.15 | zwt | rebooting |
| 13:33.22 | zwt | we will see whats fixed and whats not |
| 13:33.23 | zwt | :p |
| 13:33.47 | babilen | zwt: I have the feeling that I misunderstand you. Why do you want to "remove" the first partition? Is the system booting Debian now? (i.e. without manually specifying it on the (boot time) grub prompt) |
| 13:34.16 | dutchfish | Hi, can some explain this extremely long wait (squeeze/x86_64) for adapter is ready? http://pastebin.com/sPY5wAz3 |
| 13:34.18 | zwt | babilen: since I dont want to have centos thats why I want to remove that partition |
| 13:34.35 | zwt | babilen: machine just setting up we will see in a minute |
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| 13:35.06 | just_myself | how can I check what is the filesystem encoding set to on debian ? |
| 13:35.30 | dutchfish | just_myself: /etc/fstab ? |
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| 13:36.11 | zwt | hm |
| 13:36.14 | just_myself | dutchfish: doesn't really give me useful data |
| 13:36.16 | zwt | babilen: looks better |
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| 13:37.33 | babilen | zwt: Great, you can now create a new FS on /dev/sda1 if you want to use the CentOS partition for anything else |
| 13:38.14 | zwt | babilen: one last thing. the splash image path is wrong in menu.lst how can I fix? |
| 13:38.15 | dutchfish | just_myself: what is your exact question about the FS? |
| 13:38.21 | zwt | babilen: any command for it? |
| 13:39.20 | frikinz | dang, mine boots too :) |
| 13:39.29 | zwt | babilen: yes I can just edit the file but there is no command to generate the path correctly? |
| 13:39.35 | zwt | frikinz: congrat |
| 13:39.36 | zwt | :) |
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| 13:41.36 | djszapi | is dpkg-buildpackage supposed to create a *.deb package in the end of the process ? |
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| 13:42.12 | bzed | djszapi: well, not dpkg-buildpackage directly. the commands in debian/rules - which will be called by dpkg-buildpackage - do this |
| 13:43.06 | djszapi | I do not see any *.deb file, nor file . -iname *.deb in the project root. |
| 13:43.13 | babilen | zwt: How is it wrong? I think it is fine to just specify the correct path, but I am no grub-splash-image guru |
| 13:43.31 | zwt | babilen: hehe okey nvm thanks for help |
| 13:43.54 | frikinz | djszapi: in .. |
| 13:44.10 | frikinz | djszapi: (the parent directory) |
| 13:44.13 | djszapi | frikinz: kool ty |
| 13:45.22 | frikinz | rootfs 239M 231M 7,5M 97% / ahh 256MB system |
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| 13:46.19 | frikinz | zwt: did you install things on top of debootstrap in the debian? I'd like to know the size after a minimal debootstrap. I remember something like 120MB. |
| 13:47.08 | zwt | mine is dev/sda3 4.8G 589M 4.0G 13% / |
| 13:47.29 | frikinz | zwt: ok, too late, I wanted to know the size just after the debootstrap. nvm |
| 13:47.36 | djszapi | gpg: [stdin]: clearsign failed: secret key not available -> I get this warning during the deb package building, can I ignore that safely and this one ? dpkg-buildpackage: warning: Failed to sign .dsc and .changes file |
| 13:48.06 | frikinz | djszapi: add -us -uc to dpkg-buildpackage |
| 13:48.13 | themill | djszapi: if you don't want to (or can't) sign the package, use "-uc -us" as options |
| 13:48.34 | zwt | frikinz: dont worry just reinstalling:) will let you know |
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| 13:49.21 | frikinz | poor debian servers.. |
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| 13:53.32 | djszapi | another question, how can I clean up the project root as if I clone a new fresh repository ? |
| 13:58.01 | djszapi | git clean -fr ? |
| 13:58.17 | frikinz | I use debian/rules clean but that's probably not the nicest way |
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| 14:09.59 | sc30317 | I am trying to setup a mirror on my localhost in order to install via PXE. I mounted the DVD with -o loop in /var/www/debian |
| 14:10.20 | sc30317 | but now I am not able to access the mirror I created using pxeboot and specifying my install location manually |
| 14:10.23 | sc30317 | can anyone help? |
| 14:10.58 | lepine | can you access that location yourself? |
| 14:11.05 | lepine | http://machine/debian/ |
| 14:12.14 | lepine | testing that from another machine is also relevant. |
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| 14:14.04 | sc30317 | lepine, I can access it via HTTP |
| 14:14.09 | sc30317 | but I cant wget any of the files |
| 14:14.41 | sc30317 | which is how I am assuming the installer retrieves stuff |
| 14:14.59 | babilen | IIRC it is using curl |
| 14:15.03 | babilen | (not sure though) |
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| 14:15.49 | sc30317 | do you think it could have to do with permissions? |
| 14:15.55 | sc30317 | -rw-r--r-- 1 jstreca jstreca 1272561664 2010-10-26 16:57 debian-update-5.0.6-i386-DVD-1.iso |
| 14:16.00 | lepine | sc30317: ok, so you can list directory contents, but not download files |
| 14:16.03 | sc30317 | dr-xr-xr-x 5 root root 2048 2010-09-05 19:38 debian |
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| 14:16.06 | sc30317 | lepine, yes |
| 14:16.07 | lepine | yes, that is most likely permissions |
| 14:16.15 | sc30317 | okay |
| 14:16.29 | sc30317 | well when I try to change the permissions : |
| 14:16.37 | sc30317 | jstreca@openflow:/var/www$ sudo su |
| 14:16.37 | sc30317 | openflow:/var/www# chmod 777 debian/ |
| 14:16.37 | sc30317 | chmod: changing permissions of `debian/': Read-only file system |
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| 14:17.55 | lepine | try copying the files, or chmod 444 |
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| 14:18.18 | jelly | sc30317: sounds like... the file system containing /var/www/debian is read only! |
| 14:18.29 | zplinux | hi all , what tool can I use to pipe to pastebin ? |
| 14:18.37 | jelly | zplinux: pastebinit |
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| 14:18.55 | sc30317 | jelly, yea I think so :D |
| 14:19.01 | sc30317 | jelly, how do I change that? |
| 14:19.01 | zplinux | jelly: thanks |
| 14:19.08 | sc30317 | would it be a chmod a+x? |
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| 14:20.00 | jelly | sc30317: that usually indicates an error happened and the kernel made it read-only to stop further data corruption. Inspect dmesg output or /var/log/kern.log |
| 14:20.17 | sc30317 | ah ha! |
| 14:20.23 | sc30317 | Buffer I/O error on device loop0 |
| 14:20.33 | sc30317 | does that mean that the DVD downloaded incorrectly? |
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| 14:21.30 | lepine | Can someone point me towards a decent explanation of what cpu time spent in the kernel might imply? |
| 14:21.45 | lepine | I've got a system that spends twice as much time in the kernel than in userspace |
| 14:22.42 | sc30317 | lepine, I know that isn't normal - I don't have a reason why |
| 14:22.56 | lepine | I should note this system is running on xen |
| 14:23.35 | frikinz | top? powertop? latencytop? |
| 14:23.44 | jelly | sc30317: loop0 is an unusual filesystem to put /var or /var/www on, do you use some sort of encryption? |
| 14:23.52 | sc30317 | jelly, no |
| 14:24.08 | jelly | sc30317: pastebin the whole dmesg output, please, or at least the last 100-200 lines |
| 14:24.14 | sc30317 | I was just mounting the DVD so that I could use it as a HTTP mirror for a PXE install |
| 14:24.56 | jelly | sc30317: where did you mount the dvd? |
| 14:25.02 | sc30317 | /var/www/debian |
| 14:25.09 | sc30317 | (debian was a folder I made) |
| 14:25.20 | jelly | sc30317: oh, that's clear then -- you can't write on iso9660 filesystems |
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| 14:25.32 | sc30317 | jelly, then how would I handle this situation? |
| 14:25.37 | sc30317 | do you understand what I am trying to do? |
| 14:25.54 | jelly | sc30317: no, I just commented on the chmod and read-only issue |
| 14:26.05 | sc30317 | okay |
| 14:26.13 | sc30317 | I have a PXE boot enviornment setup on my network |
| 14:26.21 | sc30317 | and I have the debian installer loading up |
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| 14:26.28 | sc30317 | and I have a client that loads the debian installer |
| 14:26.50 | sc30317 | and I want to use the HTTP mirror (that I was mounting in /var/www/debian) to install the packages from |
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| 14:28.45 | sc30317 | jelly, does that make sense? |
| 14:31.00 | jelly | sc30317: I can't comment on that, as I haven't read that part of the release notes nor use pxe boot for installation |
| 14:31.13 | sc30317 | jelly, the pxe part is fine |
| 14:31.26 | sc30317 | I just need a way to mount that iso in order to be able to access it via http |
| 14:31.36 | sc30317 | but apparently I cant mount the .iso R/W? |
| 14:31.50 | jelly | sc30317: why would you need to mount it rw? |
| 14:31.59 | sc30317 | jelly, I'm not sure |
| 14:32.16 | sc30317 | right now I can't even wget things from the dir when it is mounted |
| 14:32.20 | sc30317 | which I should be able to do anyway |
| 14:32.52 | jelly | sc30317: mount it; restart apache afterwards; try to access |
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| 14:34.26 | jelly | alternatively, copy all the contents and chmod to your liking if the permissions on the dvd are broken |
| 14:35.34 | sc30317 | jelly, I am going to try that, brb |
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| 14:41.05 | CodeNinja | I'm still having a repeat problem after a suggested fix with my network interfaces, it goes down at random intervals, with errors like the following http://docs.chriswalker.devnetonline.net/watchdog.log checking around all I see are some bug reports but not much information beyond them. I've tried pcie_aspm=off but it did not help, attempting to modprobe the loaded modules and even restarting networking do not help, any suggestions? |
| 14:47.45 | babilen | CodeNinja: GaintSura? |
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| 14:48.46 | babilen | CodeNinja: I would post to the bugreport and try #debian-x on irc.oftc.net -- I am out of ideas |
| 14:49.19 | CodeNinja | babilen: yeah thats me |
| 14:49.58 | babilen | CodeNinja: Or take it to #xorg (a bunch of DDs in there as well) |
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| 14:52.49 | CodeNinja | babilen: hm, alright, btw, whats the -x on the first one? |
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| 14:56.49 | babilen | CodeNinja: Disregard that :-\ That was a brainfart |
| 14:57.00 | CodeNinja | np |
| 14:57.03 | babilen | CodeNinja: Ah, too late :-\ |
| 14:57.30 | babilen | CodeNinja: #debian-x is the channel for xorg on Debian (mainly DDs in there) |
| 14:57.35 | CodeNinja | I wish that pcie thing would've worked, but I had about the same average uptime as I have lately |
| 14:58.20 | babilen | Yeah, I would have hoped that too. I would still post a follow up to the bug report (in Debian's bts) and reference the upstream bug report. |
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| 14:59.06 | sc30317 | jelly-hme, you there? |
| 14:59.08 | babilen | CodeNinja: Some people on debian-user might also have ideas |
| 14:59.19 | babilen | sc30317: Just ask the channel, no need to single out specific people |
| 14:59.26 | sc30317 | okay |
| 14:59.49 | sc30317 | I tried taking all of the files out of the .iso, and put them in my /var/www/DebianCD folder |
| 15:00.11 | sc30317 | then when I try to access them as a debian archive in the installer, the installer says it is a bad archive |
| 15:00.19 | sc30317 | *bad archive mirror |
| 15:01.10 | sc30317 | but now I am able to wget things from the archive |
| 15:01.44 | sc30317 | wait no I cant |
| 15:02.11 | sc30317 | it says "Cannot write to `Release' (Permission denied)." |
| 15:02.30 | sc30317 | but my folder on my server has 777 permissions? |
| 15:03.05 | Space_Man | Hi, I just installed Squeeze and lots of updates, I'm trying to get fglrx to work with it - the card is an AMD 4670 - for some reason fglrxinfo hangs/freezes and doesn't produce any output, games like Nexuiz and Xonotic fail to start, any ideas?? |
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| 15:04.00 | babilen | CodeNinja: Let me know when you found a solution (just curious) -- have to leave now |
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| 15:04.26 | kaneda^ | hello all |
| 15:04.45 | kaneda^ | i compiled a kernel for EFI support, but when i boot into it and i try to modprobe efi it fails with a fatal error |
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| 15:07.45 | Number6 | Hi there. I have two hard drives, one ext3 and one blank. I'd like to make a "snapshot" of the ext3 hard drive (not RAID1) in the event of disaster recovery, as I'm going to install a few server apps that I'd like to revert if I make a mistake on. Can anyone recommend a way to do this? |
| 15:08.06 | Sarper | kaneda^, are the bindings in the modified kernel able to accept public interfaces? |
| 15:08.20 | kaneda^ | Sarper, i'm not sure what that means |
| 15:08.24 | Sarper | Number6, look at dd |
| 15:08.27 | Sarper | !dd |
| 15:08.28 | dpkg | well, dd is an abbreviation for Debian Developer, or a utility for the low-level copying and conversion of raw data: man dd, dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, dd if=/dev/hdc of=image.iso to make an image of a CD/DVD; see also <win32 dd>. |
| 15:08.46 | stew | Number6: are they the same size? if not, whicch is bigger? |
| 15:09.12 | Number6 | stew: yes, same size |
| 15:09.14 | Sarper | !kernel dependencies |
| 15:09.17 | Sarper | damn |
| 15:09.22 | kaneda^ | Sarper, all i know is that i followed the instructions that i've used in the past for compiling kernels with different modifications |
| 15:09.30 | kaneda^ | in this case i was configuring it for EFI |
| 15:09.37 | stew | Number6: then you can just "cp /dev/hda /dev/hdb" to make them identical just make SURE you have the drive named correct |
| 15:09.53 | Number6 | :D |
| 15:10.01 | Number6 | Thanks, stew |
| 15:10.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | Space_Man, check if the fglrx kernel module is loaded, also look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log what it says |
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| 15:11.55 | Sarper | kaneda^, You must have the supporting hardware to run EFI mac support |
| 15:12.04 | kaneda^ | it's not Mac |
| 15:12.07 | kaneda^ | it's true EFI |
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| 15:12.26 | kaneda^ | i need to run down to the farm and test some things, bbiaf |
| 15:14.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | sc30317, the permission denied is on the wget side of things... it fetches the file, but can't write it ... and it's not at all clear what exactly you actually did ... and _why_ you tried to do it this way |
| 15:15.13 | sc30317 | gotcha |
| 15:16.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | what is it you're actually trying to do? |
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| 15:19.22 | sc30317 | CutMeOwnThroat, have you ever done this task before? |
| 15:20.13 | sc30317 | CutMeOwnThroat, I am trying to be able to install Debian over PXE onto nodes within my LAN |
| 15:20.25 | sc30317 | what would be the easiest way to go about doing this? |
| 15:20.43 | sc30317 | because what I have been trying (with no success) is the following: |
| 15:20.49 | sc30317 | set this up: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/478 |
| 15:20.56 | sc30317 | and then tried to create a http mirror |
| 15:21.18 | sc30317 | but when I booted the netboot over PXE, it told me that the archive mirror I created was a bad archive mirror |
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| 15:21.37 | js_ | must i have a tarball to build a debian package? |
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| 15:21.47 | sc30317 | CutMeOwnThroat, does that make sense? |
| 15:21.51 | js_ | i just want mine to have a few dependencies and copy a couple of files |
| 15:22.02 | sc30317 | js_, yes |
| 15:23.23 | js_ | ho hum |
| 15:24.37 | nsadmin | js_: the tarball does have to be present (at least in version-2 debs), but can be empty. |
| 15:25.00 | kaneda^ | back |
| 15:25.02 | nsadmin | there are actually two tarballs, one is for the package maint scripts |
| 15:25.10 | kaneda^ | Sarper, any ideas? |
| 15:25.59 | js_ | nsadmin: ok, but is it a good idea to put my few files in a tarball? i'm a bit confused as to how i can determine where my files should be copied |
| 15:26.06 | nsadmin | btw, where is it going to get the files to copy? |
| 15:26.19 | js_ | one file in /var/www/ |
| 15:26.30 | js_ | the other ones special configs for x, to disable a few things |
| 15:26.48 | nsadmin | is this file present in all installations of debian? or are you the author of this file? |
| 15:26.51 | Sarper | kaneda^, sorry m8, maybe one smarter than I can |
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| 15:27.13 | js_ | nsadmin: i'm creating a deb file that's supposed to be used with touch screen kiosks, i figured it would be a good idea to make such a package that is easy to install |
| 15:27.30 | nsadmin | these files would go in the tarball. |
| 15:27.32 | js_ | nsadmin: both, i think, i might replace a file or two as well |
| 15:27.48 | js_ | all right |
| 15:27.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | sc30317, but that's several things... or not - it sounded as if you also wanted to mirror the repo? |
| 15:28.00 | Space_Man | CutMeOwnThroat: here is a paste of /var/log/Xorg.0.log http://paste.debian.net/98311/ lines 118, 120 look a bit interesting |
| 15:28.27 | sc30317 | CutMeOwnThroat, I was attempting to mirror the repo to use in my LAN installation |
| 15:28.28 | Space_Man | lsmod | grep fglrx -> fglrx 2110292 113 |
| 15:28.45 | sc30317 | if there is a better way CutMeOwnThroat , I am open to doing it a different way |
| 15:29.03 | nsadmin | replacing files is fairly dangerous... if this is for your own purposes, that's fine and everything... but if it's going to be used elsewhere, it's problematic; and if it's going to be an actual official debian package, that would absolutely be a bug |
| 15:29.57 | nsadmin | and the kind of bug that could be detected |
| 15:30.19 | js_ | nsadmin: yes, i agree, but fortunately this is a closed system :) |
| 15:30.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | sc30317, I would stick with the official installation guide... I guess this is the relevant section for you: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch05s01.html.en#boot-tftp (respectively section 4.5 referred therein) |
| 15:30.33 | nsadmin | so it's for your own purposes |
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| 15:30.37 | kephu | hi |
| 15:30.39 | js_ | yep |
| 15:31.22 | kephu | I'm running debian on vmware. I've added a network card, but (after rebooting, for good measure), debian doesn't seem to pick up on it, the only interfaces I have are eth0 and lo |
| 15:31.52 | nsadmin | as an analogy, look at what happens when a kernel is compiled in debian... a special script is used that does the compiling, then the script digs out all the results and sticks them in the tarball of the package |
| 15:31.55 | sc30317 | CutMeOwnThroat, that is basically what I have been attempting |
| 15:31.58 | sc30317 | the only problem |
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| 15:32.04 | kephu | so, what steps do I need to take to make it see the other network card? |
| 15:32.07 | sc30317 | is that puts the netboot img on the client |
| 15:32.14 | sc30317 | and then it runs |
| 15:32.29 | sc30317 | but I don't have a way to access the outside internet to get all of the rest of the packages |
| 15:32.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | why not? |
| 15:33.06 | sc30317 | because this is on a no internet LAB |
| 15:33.08 | sc30317 | *LAN |
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| 15:33.48 | nsadmin | well then you need a mirror on that lan or to download the cd images |
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| 15:34.01 | sc30317 | nsadmin, that is what I did |
| 15:34.07 | sc30317 | I downloaded both the CD and DVDs |
| 15:34.09 | babilen | sc30317: http://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror â might be of interest |
| 15:34.12 | sc30317 | tried both of them separately |
| 15:34.15 | Sarper | you need a lot of sex |
| 15:34.24 | nsadmin | !sex |
| 15:34.24 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
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| 15:35.03 | Sarper | !sources.list |
| 15:35.04 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 15:35.06 | sc30317 | babilen, should I be setting it up to rsync? |
| 15:35.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | sc30317, hm, not sure what the best solution is there... you might read dpekgs factoid on ... "/msg dpkg apt-mirror" and related factoids... I think you'll also be interested in preseeding... /msg dpkg preseeding |
| 15:35.36 | xuser | nsadmin: :D |
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| 15:37.33 | babilen | sc30317: There are many ways to create a mirror -- "/msg dpkg apt-mirror" or "/msg dpkg debmirror" mention two. I recall that I stumbled into an article that explained how to create a mirror from (a subset? of) CDs/DVDs ... |
| 15:37.49 | istevenmon | is there any way to choose something else than grub for a bootloader? |
| 15:38.02 | sc30317 | babilen, that is what I was trying to do with the CDs / DVDs |
| 15:38.18 | Sarper | istevenmon, see LILO |
| 15:38.21 | Sarper | !lilo |
| 15:38.21 | dpkg | LILO (LInux LOader) is an operating system boot loader for x86 systems. Documentation packaged in lilo-doc. http://wiki.debian.org/LILO http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LILO.html http://lilo.alioth.debian.org/ . See also <grub>, <grub2>. |
| 15:38.25 | sc30317 | babilen, http://linux.spiney.org/using_the_debian_etch_dvd_as_local_mirror |
| 15:38.31 | sc30317 | I attempted to do this |
| 15:38.44 | istevenmon | Sarper: isnt it something else than grub or lilo? |
| 15:39.26 | Sarper | !bootloader |
| 15:39.29 | Sarper | weak |
| 15:39.39 | StyXman | is it possible to (not install|desinstall) udev, or to disable its network device detection? I'm creating a disk image that runs in virtual machines that uses two network interfaces, and every time I run the image in a different virtual machine, udev finds different mac addrs and remembers them in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules, so the network configuration breaks |
| 15:39.54 | babilen | istevenmon: There is also syslinux |
| 15:39.59 | Sarper | istevenmon, http://www.xs4all.nl/~lennartb/bootloaders/ |
| 15:40.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | Space_Man, hm, line 148 of the log: (==) fglrx(0): NoAccel = NO |
| 15:41.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | fglrxfb? |
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| 15:42.59 | cyberbob | I am going to download debian |
| 15:43.10 | cyberbob | I found many dvd images from site which one should i download |
| 15:43.17 | Sarper | minimal |
| 15:43.18 | cyberbob | I followed this link http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.6/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 15:43.29 | nsadmin | that depends on your situation |
| 15:43.30 | Sarper | cyberbob, minimal net install |
| 15:43.41 | Sarper | obviously you have net access |
| 15:43.44 | nsadmin | Sarper: how do you know he can use that? |
| 15:43.50 | Sarper | so that is the fastest |
| 15:44.40 | cyberbob | If i use the first DVD to install it would installation complete or it will ask during installation for other CD's |
| 15:44.46 | StyXman | Sarper: but he might not have inet where he has to use it |
| 15:45.11 | StyXman | cyberbob: the first dvd should be enough, but it actually depends on what software you need |
| 15:45.29 | nsadmin | so if your machine has net hardware that is supported by a netinst, then Sarper's choice would be a good one... the final decision, however, is yours |
| 15:45.45 | StyXman | cyberbob: and wether you'll have network access from the machine you'll use it into |
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| 15:46.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | Space_Man, that overall looks as if it's loading successfully... you could stop X, unload the fglrx kernel module with rmmod and load it again with modprobe and then look if you see any interesting message in dmesg when the module is loaded, but I would bet it'll just say something like "fglrx module loaded successfully" |
| 15:46.54 | js_ | how can i make apt-get automatically respond Y to an install? |
| 15:47.18 | StyXman | js_: apt-get -y |
| 15:48.18 | nsadmin | specifically, if you have supported net access, you can go fairly minimal (don't need a 5g dvd image, just a 150mb netinst or even smaller business card image |
| 15:49.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | Space_Man, what pciid do you get for the card with lspci -nnn? |
| 15:49.23 | sc30317 | CutMeOwnThroat, any other ideas? |
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| 15:49.31 | nsadmin | and then all packages get installed from package mirrors |
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| 15:52.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | sc30317, what exactly is it that doesn't work right now? the tftp boot works but you're stuck on building the local mirror? |
| 15:52.13 | Number6 | stew: Could I use "dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb" to make an exact clone of the drive, even if hdb doesn't have any formatting? |
| 15:52.40 | sc30317 | CutMeOwnThroat, yes when I specify the mirror in the net install |
| 15:52.44 | sc30317 | I get the following message |
| 15:52.52 | sc30317 | Bad archive mirror |
| 15:53.12 | sc30317 | the specified Debian archive mirror is either not available or does not have a valid Release file on it. Please try a different mirror |
| 15:53.35 | sc30317 | then there are a bunch of different errors if I drop down to a terminal |
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| 15:53.48 | sc30317 | with CTL+ALT+F$ |
| 15:53.54 | sc30317 | *CTL+ALT+F4 |
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| 15:54.25 | stew | Number6: yes, which does the same thing as my commaand, but slower |
| 15:54.37 | stew | (unless you give it a better block size) |
| 15:54.45 | nsadmin | sc30317, how many different mirrors did you try? |
| 15:54.59 | sc30317 | nsadmin, I am not trying to use a mirror out of my network |
| 15:55.06 | sc30317 | so I am just trying to create a local network mirror |
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| 15:55.13 | sc30317 | mounting the files from the iso |
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| 15:56.06 | nsadmin | if you have the iso, probably the best thing to do is burn it onto a cd blank and put it in the machine... would the hardware support that? |
| 15:56.35 | sc30317 | no; they are all nodes that have no CD drive and no way to get a CD drive attached |
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| 15:56.45 | Number6 | stew: I wouldn't worry about the time it takes to copy the data, just as long as the backup is in place :) |
| 15:56.54 | sc30317 | they are at a remote location, and the only way we can access them is through serial or through the network |
| 15:56.57 | nsadmin | will they do pxe network boot? |
| 15:57.02 | sc30317 | nsadmin, yes |
| 15:57.08 | sc30317 | that is what I have been trying to set up |
| 15:57.15 | sc30317 | and I have the pxe boot working using this |
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| 15:57.24 | nsadmin | hmm, ok... |
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| 15:57.41 | sc30317 | nsadmin, this is what I used to setup the PXE boot |
| 15:57.42 | sc30317 | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/478 |
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| 15:57.56 | sc30317 | and that gives you a network installer |
| 15:58.22 | nsadmin | you may have to continue along those lines and see how to supply the packages |
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| 15:58.43 | Sarper | free sex and beer for all!! |
| 15:58.48 | Sarper | !beer |
| 15:58.48 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, beer is liquid gold mate |
| 15:58.55 | Sarper | !sex |
| 15:58.55 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install diaphram; mount; fsck; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 15:59.02 | Sarper | !free |
| 15:59.02 | dpkg | free is probably defined in English with many different meanings of which only one refers to cost. Easier in French, or 'free beer' = gratuit / 'free speech' = libre, or http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html, or free (procps) tells you how much memory is used/wasted ("Mem:") and how much is being necessarily used/could be freed ("-/+ buffers/cache:"), see also <free ram>. |
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| 15:59.26 | nsadmin | not sure that the isos themselves are set up like a mirror |
| 15:59.26 | cahoot | !tell Sarper about msg the bot |
| 16:00.17 | nsadmin | Sarper: so you just jizzed on my conversation |
| 16:00.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | sc30317, from what you say, I don't think the files from the cd image are suitable for a repository on the net... you should use something like apt-mirror to make a mirror of the real repository on the net |
| 16:00.42 | Sarper | nsadmin, I haz good jizz m8 |
| 16:00.59 | sc30317 | CutMeOwnThroat, gotcha |
| 16:02.22 | olorin_ | And it's not even the weekend yet... |
| 16:02.56 | nsadmin | sc30317, so these are remotes, you're not in the room with them, or anywhere close, you only have serial-console access to them? |
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| 16:03.34 | nsadmin | where "anywhere close" means inside of 15-20 miles/km |
| 16:03.58 | sc30317 | nsadmin, they are outside: I can get to the serial port or the ethernet port on them, but not to the actual machines |
| 16:04.26 | nsadmin | is that a problem? or is that how you want them? |
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| 16:19.18 | cowboycoder | Does anybody know what software package Debian uses for managing it's official repositories? Is it a set of custom scripts? other? |
| 16:19.34 | bzed | cowboycoder: dak. |
| 16:19.46 | bzed | cowboycoder: (and britney. and some more.) |
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| 16:19.53 | bzed | cowboycoder: and no, you don't want to use it |
| 16:19.59 | bzed | cowboycoder: look into reprepro |
| 16:20.48 | nsadmin | why doesn't he want to use it? |
| 16:21.37 | bzed | nsadmin: did you ever setup dak? |
| 16:22.07 | nsadmin | nope; is it required for me to do so to get an answer? |
| 16:22.11 | bzed | if you don't have a *really* good reason to use it.. like 10k packages and several releases... you don't want it. |
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| 16:22.38 | nsadmin | but that wasn't my question |
| 16:23.05 | themill | nsadmin: feel free to extrapolate yourself |
| 16:23.18 | bzed | nsadmin: you need way too long to learn how to use it |
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| 16:23.36 | bzed | nsadmin: and it comes with a lot of stuff you'll never need. |
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| 16:24.20 | bzed | nsadmin: it is way too much work to setup dak just to handle a few packages |
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| 16:24.53 | nsadmin | themill: actually the answers he's giving wouldn't have been in my extrapolations... my guesses were... not well documented... fucking mess... maints don't want to change that... |
| 16:25.19 | themill | nsadmin: the first 2 of the 3 are right as well, from what I gather |
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| 16:26.07 | cowboycoder | are there any next-gen tools that allow you to do larger repos more easily? |
| 16:26.30 | themill | cowboycoder: define large? |
| 16:26.39 | nsadmin | he referred you to one, reprepro |
| 16:26.57 | cowboycoder | 1000+ packages.... |
| 16:27.03 | nsadmin | which I have no idea about... just reminding you that reference exists |
| 16:27.35 | themill | cowboycoder: reprepro handles that quite well |
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| 16:28.08 | themill | cowboycoder: how are you actually going to be using this? |
| 16:28.11 | nsadmin | so now, my curiousity is, why does debian not use reprepro? |
| 16:28.20 | cowboycoder | themill: what is the switchover point? 10k packages? |
| 16:28.39 | THE_GFR|WORK | hey everyone if I turn on remote desktop it requires me to be logged in to GDM locally before it will allow remote connections... how do I use it without having to be logged in locally? |
| 16:28.40 | themill | cowboycoder: nfc. dak is closely tied to debian infrastructure |
| 16:28.56 | cowboycoder | themill: derivitive custom distribution for embedded linux system is my use case |
| 16:29.19 | nsadmin | oh that's another reason |
| 16:29.32 | stew | nsadmin: our needs for running the archive FAR exceed repropro's capabilities. think about all the package queues we have like delayed, NEW, BYHAND, testing-proosed-updates, stable-proposed updates... |
| 16:30.23 | stew | nsadmin: doing things like dominating stuff out of testing when we move packages from unstable to testing... |
| 16:30.51 | nsadmin | how are you using the verb "to dominate" here? |
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| 16:32.25 | THE_GFR|WORK | hey everyone if I turn on remote desktop it requires me to be logged in to GDM locally before it will allow remote connections... how do I use it without having to be logged in locally? |
| 16:32.29 | stew | nsadmin: when we have a package with two different versions in unstable for instance, we remove the lesser, but only if its available for all arches in the greater, but things get tricky when a source package provides multiple binary packages, some of which are arch:all and some are arch:any and not yet built on all arches |
| 16:32.54 | stew | nsadmin: so we say one vesrion has dominated another when the lesser source pacakge can be completely removed |
| 16:33.20 | nsadmin | oh ok, thanks for the clarification |
| 16:36.00 | stew | then there is stuff like britney and madison, etc which rely on dak |
| 16:36.47 | THE_GFR|WORK | hey everyone if I turn on remote desktop it requires me to be logged in to GDM locally before it will allow remote connections... how do I use it without having to be logged in locally? |
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| 16:40.20 | jhutchins_lt | THE_GFR|WORK: Please be patient and wait for someone who may know the answer to your question. No need to repeat that frequently. |
| 16:40.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | THE_GFR|WORK, we still see the question... did you try "apt-cache search rdesktop server" |
| 16:40.53 | jhutchins_lt | THE_GFR|WORK: Meanwhile, check the documentation. |
| 16:41.16 | THE_GFR|WORK | jhutchins_lt: I have its not helpful enough |
| 16:42.02 | sc30317 | I am trying to setup apt-mirror |
| 16:42.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't think you can do this with gnomes rdesktop server... but you should look at xrdp (the last hit from the search I just told you) |
| 16:42.09 | sc30317 | and I am getting the following error: |
| 16:42.09 | sc30317 | apt-mirror: can't write to intermediate file (index-urls.0) at /usr/bin/apt-mirror line 174. |
| 16:42.13 | sc30317 | can anyone help? |
| 16:42.17 | cowboycoder | THE_GFRIWORK: you can use VNC to run a headless desktop |
| 16:43.36 | THE_GFR|WORK | cowboycoder: I want to SEE the current desktop not a "new one" |
| 16:45.23 | jhutchins_lt | THE_GFR|WORK: So what's the problem? For a "current desktop" to exist, someone must be logged in. |
| 16:46.09 | jhutchins_lt | installs rdesktop so he can read the documentation for THE_GFR|WORK |
| 16:46.50 | THE_GFR|WORK | jhutchins_lt: the main desktop I want to see remotely with remote desktop not VNC seeing a new desktop and I don't have to login locally before I can see a desktop with VNC but the current desktop I do... I don't get that |
| 16:47.01 | THE_GFR|WORK | on windows I don't have to be logged in to see the main desktop |
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| 16:47.31 | steerio | hi |
| 16:48.41 | steerio | having problems with the debian 5.0.6 businesscard image for amd64, at the 'install grub' phase |
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| 16:49.00 | steerio | chose to install grub-legacy, which was overridden in the next screen (announced that it'll upgrade to grub 2 anyway) |
| 16:49.08 | itchi | THE_GFR|WORK: I think it's x11vnc you want, but it's long time ago i played with it. Anyway, you need to be logged in first... And there's also a gnome tool that share the current desktop, but i can't recall |
| 16:49.35 | steerio | then the 'grub install devices' selection is faulty: no matter what i select, after continue it'll ask me if i really DON'T want to install grub on any devices |
| 16:49.49 | THE_GFR|WORK | ok well remote desktop works, if I am logged in on the server locally, otherwise it does not... |
| 16:49.52 | itchi | THE_GFR|WORK: From my old note: x11vnc -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -display :0 -rfbauth /home/dvanmosselbeen/.vnc/passwd |
| 16:49.56 | steerio | also, "go back" from the 'grub install devices' section will take me to the same question (wtf) |
| 16:50.09 | THE_GFR|WORK | itchi: but I have to be logged in locally still right? |
| 16:50.09 | steerio | anybody here who's seen anything like this? |
| 16:50.32 | jhutchins_lt | THE_GFR|WORK: I don't understand how you're distinguishing "the main desktop". Either there is an existing session with which you connect (someone who's logged in) or you start a new session (you log in when you connect). |
| 16:50.35 | itchi | THE_GFR|WORK: Yeah, you need to be logged in :s or you can take a look to that remote gdm stuff there |
| 16:51.13 | itchi | THE_GFR|WORK: Look to the command ^ The logged in user needs to execute that |
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| 16:51.25 | jhutchins_lt | steerio: You're sure that's the 5.x image? |
| 16:51.30 | THE_GFR|WORK | jhutchins_lt: so I have a user I usually login with, I want that desktop to be displayed via remote desktop without me logging in... |
| 16:51.48 | itchi | !info x11vnc |
| 16:51.57 | jhutchins_lt | THE_GFR|WORK: Doesn't work that way. |
| 16:52.01 | THE_GFR|WORK | now I'm logging in with remote desktop, but I don't want to have to switch over and log in locally |
| 16:52.06 | steerio | jhutchins_lt: debian-506-amd64-businesscard.iso is the name |
| 16:52.17 | steerio | jhutchins_lt: though I chose to install squeeze when it presented me with the option |
| 16:52.17 | THE_GFR|WORK | first I mean |
| 16:52.19 | dpkg | x11vnc: (VNC server to allow remote access to an existing X session), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.9.10-1.1 (sid), Packaged size: 966 kB, Installed size: 1996 kB |
| 16:52.23 | jhutchins_lt | THE_GFR|WORK: I still think I don't understand your question. |
| 16:52.38 | itchi | listen to dpkg |
| 16:52.45 | jhutchins_lt | steerio: That may be the problem, the squeeze installer is very buggy atm, and squeeze does use grub2. |
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| 16:53.08 | steerio | jhutchins_lt: didn't see that one coming. |
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| 16:53.39 | steerio | jhutchins_lt: does that mean that i need to go back and do it from scratch or will i be able to install grub by hand? |
| 16:53.41 | THE_GFR|WORK | jhutchins_lt: I have a user I usually login with, but I don't want to have to have the server logged in, I want it to have the login prompt screen up, but I want to see that one users desktop, like with windows it shows you the login screen and then the desktop of whichever user you login with, can't it be more like that? |
| 16:53.49 | jhutchins_lt | THE_GFR|WORK: VNC or remote Xauth will allow you to log in directly to a remote computer as if you were on the local console. |
| 16:53.52 | steerio | jhutchins_lt: if so, i'll just make this pass |
| 16:54.13 | jhutchins_lt | THE_GFR|WORK: I haven't used windows for six years. |
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| 16:54.19 | THE_GFR|WORK | jhutchins_lt: thats what I wanted, except I don't want a "new desktop" created for that session |
| 16:54.34 | steerio | jhutchins_lt: well, i selected "yes" and then it installed grub on MBR anyway.. |
| 16:54.35 | itchi | THE_GFR|WORK: So you wan't take the "existing X session", you are confussing :D |
| 16:54.40 | steerio | which is what i wanted |
| 16:54.42 | jhutchins_lt | THE_GFR|WORK: It doesn't create a "new desktop" any mor ethan logging in locally does. |
| 16:54.56 | THE_GFR|WORK | jhutchins_lt: ok because the VNC server does |
| 16:54.57 | ninja1 | When i try to do /oper on my ircd-hybrid server i always get wrong password even if i wrote right password, someone had this problem before? |
| 16:54.59 | THE_GFR|WORK | generally |
| 16:55.28 | steerio | jhutchins_lt: i mean no, i actually have a fatal error now: http://imgur.com/9bBWj |
| 16:55.35 | ninja1 | is it some command i missed on restart so my ircd load the new conf file? |
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| 16:55.40 | jhutchins_lt | vnc has two modes, it can capture an existing X session or it can create it's own. |
| 16:56.09 | steerio | so installing for the third time it is... |
| 16:56.31 | THE_GFR|WORK | ok well it creates its own for me... |
| 16:56.49 | stew | ninja1: send it sighup |
| 16:57.01 | jhutchins_lt | steerio: It looks like you're building a server anyway, in which case you want lenny, NOT squeeze. Squeeze is "testing", meaning it's known to be broken and is made available so people can find and fix the problems. |
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| 16:57.44 | steerio | jhutchins_lt: will never be production. i'll be experimenting with pgpool-ii locally |
| 16:57.44 | THE_GFR|WORK | ok thanks everyone |
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| 16:58.23 | steerio | jhutchins_lt: so is there no way forward from here? i mean i just don't wanna lose any more time |
| 16:58.38 | ninja1 | stew you mean like sighup ircd.conf ? |
| 16:58.55 | stew | ninja1: no, you send signals with kill |
| 16:58.56 | steerio | jhutchins_lt: going back to square one again is as frustrating as it's time consuming |
| 16:59.02 | tripps | hello. is there a good howto on using lvm to extend the filesystem for debian? been a few years since I've done much with lvm and want to make sure I haven't missed anything |
| 16:59.20 | stew | ninja1: use kill to send the signal named "HUP" |
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| 16:59.42 | Sarper | use the kill signal called "KILL" |
| 16:59.47 | stew | Sarper: no |
| 17:00.03 | stew | he doesn't want the KILL signal, he wants the HUP signal |
| 17:00.36 | Sarper | no, he wants dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda |
| 17:00.43 | Sarper | ;) |
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| 17:00.51 | stew | don't listen to Sarper |
| 17:00.53 | jhutchins_lt | steerio: You can try to rescue the install, set up a chroot and re-run grub-install from the console and fix whatever's broken, but then you end up with a testing system which may be broken in other ways. I would recommend re-installing with lenny. |
| 17:01.28 | jhutchins_lt | !lvm |
| 17:01.28 | dpkg | [lvm] the Linux Logical Volume Manager (http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/). Resources: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/, http://dev.riseup.net/grimoire/storage/lvm2/, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>, <install using lvm>, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410, http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/wiki/ IRC: #lvm on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 17:02.07 | jhutchins_lt | tripps: See above. |
| 17:02.25 | tripps | jhutchins_lt, cool thanks! |
| 17:02.49 | steerio | jhutchins_lt: thanks.. |
| 17:02.56 | jhutchins_lt | steerio: I don't know if the business card image has a rescue mode, you could try that. |
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| 17:03.21 | jhutchins_lt | steerio: If you were in console mode you might get more informative error messages. |
| 17:03.22 | tripps | seems http://dev.riseup.net/grimoire/storage/lvm2/ is dead |
| 17:03.23 | steerio | jhutchins_lt: it has rebooted now and i found myself in a grub shell |
| 17:04.05 | steerio | jhutchins_lt: cd image is unmounted now so it comes from the hd image |
| 17:04.30 | jhutchins_lt | steerio: One of the things about running lilo for so many years is that I never learned my way around the grub shell. |
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| 17:04.43 | jhutchins_lt | steerio: I'm sure useful things can be done from there. |
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| 17:05.59 | steerio | jhutchins_lt: waaay too many things :) |
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| 17:06.32 | steerio | jhutchins_lt: actually it's the same here (lots of lilo experience, limited grub knowledge) |
| 17:07.04 | jhutchins_lt | steerio: Anything unusual about your hardware? |
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| 17:08.37 | DogWater | Is there an install CD that has newer drivers in it? |
| 17:09.19 | jhutchins_lt | !tell DogWater about kmuto |
| 17:10.10 | steerio | jhutchins_lt: macbook pro (virtualbox under os x) |
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| 17:11.19 | steerio | jhutchins_lt: another weirdness is that the console is updating so slow i feel like on a 1200 bps modem :p |
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| 17:11.46 | steerio | jhutchins_lt: had no such problems with ubuntu, pardus, netbsd, etc. with the same setup |
| 17:12.04 | thewanderer1 | steerio: if you're talking about text display (BIOS etc.) in VirtualBox, that's always slow |
| 17:12.11 | DogWater | Yes! But this is Debian =) The "It worked in Distro X" logic doesn't work here =) |
| 17:12.48 | mark22 | what is the best option to install debian 6? |
| 17:13.39 | jhutchins_lt | steerio: Ok, that definitely "unusual hardware", in that it's not hardware, which probably explains why grub-install couldn't determine disk architecture, which is probably why it failed. |
| 17:14.01 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Do you know where to go from a grub shell? |
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| 17:14.30 | jhutchins_lt | steerio: Again, you are running testing, not sable. |
| 17:14.41 | DogWater | I just hope debian 6 has decent hardware support lenny was awful |
| 17:15.01 | steerio | thewanderer1: then other linux installations i've used must've been using framebuffer |
| 17:15.07 | steerio | thewanderer1: ..and this one is regular text console |
| 17:15.30 | stew | DogWater: hardware support depends much more on the kernel you run than the distribution |
| 17:15.34 | legis | mark22: download the latest netinstll iso snapshot |
| 17:15.50 | steerio | jhutchins_lt: had used grub without problems on this very same setup before, if that means something |
| 17:15.52 | DogWater | stew: Yes but you can't install Debian unless the installer supports your disk controller and/or NICs, etc. |
| 17:16.08 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: from a grub shell, I'd probably go to my system |
| 17:16.10 | jhutchins_lt | mark22: Most reliable method is currently to install lenny, then upgrade. |
| 17:16.11 | mark22 | DogWater: I didn't have problems with hardware support for debian 5 (I am missing certain software) |
| 17:16.11 | stew | DogWater: sure you can. and there are installers available with updated kernels that support more hardware |
| 17:16.37 | stew | DogWater: "/msg dpkg kmuto" for instance |
| 17:16.45 | stew | and you can install debian without using the installer |
| 17:16.48 | DogWater | stew: sure but those have potentially fatal problems with package dependencies. It would be a lot easier for them to just put the drivers in the installer. |
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| 17:17.05 | stew | DogWater: what problems do you mean? |
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| 17:17.42 | stew | DogWater: are you talking about drivers missing because they didn't exist yet in the kernel debian released with? or drivers removed by debian? |
| 17:17.43 | thewanderer1 | what will give me better performance with VT enabled - VirtualBox or KVM? I'd like to compile some stuff inside the VM... |
| 17:18.08 | DogWater | stew: I'm talking about how they never add newer drivers to the new releases until the next larger version. |
| 17:18.19 | DogWater | For example the Intel 3200 Chipset is still not supported |
| 17:18.28 | DogWater | and it's been out for a good while |
| 17:18.30 | stew | DogWater: they did in etch, they planned to in lenny but it hasn't yet happened |
| 17:18.38 | Sarper | themill, that was a bit harsh for doing nothing |
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| 17:18.58 | themill | Sarper: Don't take things from one channel to another. |
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| 17:19.43 | mark22 | jhutchins_lt: that method did break things some time ago |
| 17:19.58 | stew | DogWater: or you can build a installer with a custom kernel: "/msg dpkg custom d-i" or you can use one provided by a DD: /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 17:20.28 | DogWater | stew: I'm pretty sure the kmuto build doesn't just install the standard vanilla Debian 5.0.6, doesn't it also change the operating system? |
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| 17:20.42 | stew | DogWater: how does it differ from 5.0.6? |
| 17:20.54 | mooglenorph | Hi, I'd like to get the page size for a postscript file on the command line. |
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| 17:20.57 | DogWater | doesn't it run a different kernel? |
| 17:21.02 | legis | thewanderer1: kvm |
| 17:21.03 | DogWater | than the default debian one? |
| 17:21.06 | stew | DogWater: yes, that's the entire point |
| 17:21.23 | mooglenorph | I know I can use pdfinfo to do this for a pdf. I haven't been able to find a similar command for .ps files, after much googling. |
| 17:21.38 | DogWater | right so that isn't exactly a solution to the debian installer not having good hardware support, is it? since you are essentially not installing debian anymore. |
| 17:21.48 | DogWater | or at least not a supported/normal train |
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| 17:22.10 | jhutchins_lt | DogWater: You can't have it both ways. |
| 17:22.24 | DogWater | Anyhow, I don't really care because we hardly ever need Deb 5, I am just saying it would be nice if they could put some modern hw support into Debian 6. |
| 17:22.25 | jhutchins_lt | DogWater: Either you have the newer kernel with support for newer hardware, or you don't. |
| 17:22.27 | stew | DogWater: yes, it is, and its installing debian, and sure its supported |
| 17:22.54 | DogWater | So why not just make that the installer then? |
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| 17:23.11 | mark22 | legis: I couldn't find the latest snapshot (for debian 6) of the net install cd, so I just start with the other option |
| 17:23.49 | legis | mark22: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 17:23.53 | jhutchins_lt | DogWater: I think you may not understand how debian evolves. |
| 17:24.08 | jhutchins_lt | DogWater: You are welcome to contribute to the new installer for squeeze, they are looking for help with it. |
| 17:24.26 | stew | they are NOT looking for it to support anything it doesn't already support |
| 17:24.38 | DogWater | contribute a list of drivers? I'm not sure what they would need help with. |
| 17:25.22 | jhutchins_lt | DogWater: So what, you want them to backport all of the latest bleeding edge hardware drivers to the earlier kernel? |
| 17:25.53 | mark22 | I did look at the wrong point |
| 17:25.54 | DogWater | why not just supply newer kernels as a major release ages? like everybody else does? |
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| 17:26.37 | stew | DogWater: like I said, it was done with etch. it was intended to have been done with lenny, I'm not sure why it didn't happen, I'd suspect a lake of volunteer effort |
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| 17:27.27 | stew | DogWater: there are debian developers providing working alternatives. and there are kernels in backports.debian.org |
| 17:27.44 | stew | i haven't checked, but I'd suspect that kmuto uses the kenrel in backports.debian.org |
| 17:27.47 | DogWater | so again, why not make one of the alternatives the actual installer? |
| 17:27.53 | themill | DogWater: this does happen through backports (and the kmuto installers if you really need it at install time but you don't usually) |
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| 17:29.56 | jhutchins_lt | DogWater: That is contrary to the goal of release stability, and there are plenty of distros who do that kind of thing. |
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| 17:30.30 | jhutchins_lt | Debian offers both a stable release (stable as in doesn't change) and the ability to update it yourself. |
| 17:31.00 | jhutchins_lt | DogWater: Stability is very important for some environments/projects. |
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| 17:32.25 | jhutchins_lt | Take for instance a point-of-sale system that's sold on certain models of IBM POS hardware ONLY - no hardware updates, no changes in the OS that require the whole suite to be re-tested and re-certified. |
| 17:32.55 | jhutchins_lt | re-certifying software can take thousands of man-hours. |
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| 17:33.53 | DogWater | so why can't they just install the same version that works for them on their system(s) and other people install the newer version that have the drivers they need? like people do with Redhat every day? |
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| 17:34.24 | themill | DogWater: we've told you exactly how you can do that already |
| 17:35.15 | DogWater | except that it isn't official. the kmuto installer isn't debian 5.0.7, it's something different entirely. |
| 17:35.40 | themill | the installer kernel is rarely an issue anyway |
| 17:35.41 | jhutchins_lt | Last time I worked with RH they didn't do rolling kernel updates - they were very much frozen to the release versions and didn't offer backports. |
| 17:35.59 | pipeline | the RH kernel api/abi are frozen |
| 17:36.06 | pipeline | they backport features and behaviour from newer kernels |
| 17:36.16 | pipeline | but it's a 100% guarantee that your existing software will still work |
| 17:36.24 | jhutchins_lt | Ah, so they finally started doing backports. |
| 17:36.26 | pipeline | the RH kernel is an awesome product, but boy howdy is it labor intensive |
| 17:36.57 | legis | DogWater: use ubuntu |
| 17:37.04 | pipeline | in the sense that new features in newer kernels are available in their 2.6.9 and 2.6.18 kernels, yes... but no, not in the sense that they make new kernels available |
| 17:37.18 | DogWater | legis: we do, and centos, and OpenSuSE, and CloudLinux.. |
| 17:37.35 | jhutchins_lt | They've been known to use non-open hardware support as well. |
| 17:37.56 | pipeline | I don't think so |
| 17:38.00 | legis | DogWater: yeah, different distros for different purposes |
| 17:38.02 | pipeline | at any rate the debian system works very, very well |
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| 17:38.26 | pipeline | and stability (i.e. lack of change) is the #1 feature in my book |
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| 17:40.04 | DogWater | I guess if you're running older hardware that works for you. |
| 17:40.12 | legis | backports being official was a good move, is the backports option going to be in the installer/ |
| 17:40.22 | legis | ? |
| 17:40.55 | themill | DogWater: there are very few occasions when you need a newer kernel at install time and you have the ability to get a newer one immediately after install. There's no "works for you" in it. |
| 17:42.15 | jhutchins_lt | themill: I think he was referring to problems like lack of support for the disk controller or the main chipset. |
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| 17:43.02 | stew | DogWater: how does installing using kmuto get you something entirely different? what is actually different than using the official installer then installing a kernel from backports.debian.org? |
| 17:43.09 | themill | that's one of the two times you have trouble with this but it's very rare with lenny (compared to what we saw with etch). |
| 17:43.26 | stew | DogWater: you say it is somehting different entirely, but i don't believe it to be at all different, so perhaps you are misunderstanding something |
| 17:43.28 | DogWater | jhutchins_lt: nics as well |
| 17:44.02 | themill | DogWater: once again exceedingly rare and the kmuto installer will handle that. I'm not sure that this conversation is going anywhere at this stage. |
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| 17:44.45 | DogWater | I didn't start this conversation, I just said that I hoped that Debian 6 would have support for modern hardware. |
| 17:45.27 | wildc4rd | evenin |
| 17:46.08 | jhutchins_lt | Tip: buy hardware known to have support for linux - like it says so on the box. |
| 17:47.02 | jhutchins_lt | Hey, I can't get lenny to install on my cordless drill! Debian sucks! |
| 17:47.13 | stew | that's not good enough often for debian, since, for instance, many nics require non-free software for their linux support, which debian should be excluding |
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| 17:47.20 | abrotman | watches the conversation devolve |
| 17:47.42 | DogWater | jhutchins_lt: yes because newer intel chipsets == a cordless drill' |
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| 18:03.26 | apt_get | Hi |
| 18:04.06 | apt_get | I have a x64 debian, and fresh install debootstrap inside a dir with 32bits |
| 18:04.19 | apt_get | how can I chroot to it, using 32bit enviroment? |
| 18:04.21 | steerio | starting installation for 4th time |
| 18:04.32 | steerio | now it's "couldn't download" and "base system failed" |
| 18:04.38 | steerio | i think i'll just switch to another linux, too many hours wasted |
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| 18:04.46 | apt_get | because I wnna try to compile kernel inside chroot, but the only processors available ist 64. |
| 18:04.46 | steerio | (and it's stable this time..) |
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| 18:05.37 | gynterk | Latest stable, no clue what happened, but /boot/grub/menu.lst is missing and update-grub doesn't recreate it. Any suggestions? |
| 18:06.36 | steerio | really, when did debian become like this that it's impossible to install a stable system? |
| 18:07.06 | steerio | 8pm, i should've finished work 4 hours ago, and i've installed countless linux systems in the past |
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| 18:08.13 | danielig | hey, I have trouble renaming a file: I Wanted to rename mv: cannot stat `download.php?file=download%2F05.Semester%2FAllg_Pathologie%2FVorlesung%2Fhydrop. Zellschwellung.pdf |
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| 18:08.27 | danielig | download.php?file=download%2F05.Semester%2FAllg_Pathologie%2FVorlesung%2Fhydrop. Zellschwellung.pdf |
| 18:08.53 | poisonbit | use simple quotes |
| 18:08.58 | dkr | danielig: tab completion is your friend. mv down<tab> |
| 18:09.02 | poisonbit | mv 'foo@#½@#~½#~½' foo |
| 18:09.27 | danielig | is the file I wanted to rename, there are quite a few special characters, and I have tried to use mv to rename it, but this mv is in a shell script, |
| 18:10.12 | danielig | all have similar name with loads of % and Spaces and \88 etc... where can I find how to escape those? |
| 18:10.17 | dkr | danielig: are you aware that wget has an option to specify the name of the downloaded file? |
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| 18:10.52 | dkr | danielig: or use quotes as poisonbit recommended |
| 18:10.54 | mecca | What's the best way to completely disable NFSv4? |
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| 18:11.45 | legis | steerio: that's because you fail at reading |
| 18:11.47 | danielig | well, it is late now, I already downloaded them from my other server... I have 4Gb of files 2150 pieces that I have downloaded with those names. I have done this, because I wanted to replace all the special characters as well. |
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| 18:12.02 | danielig | single quotes don't work... |
| 18:12.22 | thewanderer1 | in KVM with VT enabled, can I make use of the same CPU features that I would do on the hardware? |
| 18:13.43 | poisonbit | danielig, the file name is in a variable? then double quotes, mv -- "$filename" "$new" |
| 18:13.48 | poisonbit | else single quotes should work |
| 18:13.50 | steerio | legis: which line did i miss? |
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| 18:14.09 | steerio | legis: and i like how your nickname matches what you're saying. |
| 18:14.58 | legis | steerio: I like how you are a iliterate moron. |
| 18:15.11 | steerio | legis: illiterate is spelt with two l's |
| 18:15.23 | legis | typo :) |
| 18:15.28 | steerio | legis: if you want to stick to ad hominem |
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| 18:16.10 | steerio | legis: also, the indefinite article is "an" before words starting with a vowel :} |
| 18:16.21 | zinx | steerio: what release are you installing? |
| 18:16.40 | steerio | zinx: it's lenny. could've been some problem with the mirror, the problem was that i was unable to go back and retry |
| 18:16.47 | steerio | "Go back" did not take me anywhere |
| 18:16.58 | zinx | steerio: yeah, sounds like a problem w/ network/mirror/hardware |
| 18:17.06 | zinx | steerio: dunno about go back not going anywhere |
| 18:17.15 | zinx | steerio: you could file a bug on the installer. |
| 18:17.16 | danielig | poisonbit: http://paste.debian.net/98354/ is how I tried it. the file in the single quote is how it outputs the filename when I just do ls |
| 18:17.38 | steerio | zinx: i will if it happens again and i start recording everything that happens |
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| 18:17.42 | zinx | steerio: or check to see if http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?package=debian-installer already has it |
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| 18:17.49 | jacekowski | hello |
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| 18:18.04 | poisonbit | danielig, does ../01.Semester/Biologie/Altklausuren/ exists ? else mkdir -p before cp |
| 18:18.06 | jacekowski | assuming that i want to make a .deb package |
| 18:18.30 | legis | steerio: good, so you can read well but not comprehend |
| 18:18.42 | danielig | yes, the directory exists, but it cannot stat the source file... |
| 18:18.56 | steerio | legis: it would be helpful if you could pinpoint the sentence i failed to understand |
| 18:19.04 | steerio | legis: i am always willing to learn |
| 18:19.15 | jacekowski | and my program X depends on library Y in version 4.0 or higher and version 6.0 is broken but 4.0,5.0,7.0,8.0 are ok |
| 18:19.50 | jacekowski | how do i set Depends? |
| 18:19.51 | poisonbit | danielig, that seems the problem, that you can't stat that filename, because if i touch a file with that name, I can mv it... |
| 18:20.33 | legis | steerio: bashing debian is not a good way to get help here |
| 18:20.38 | zinx | jacekowski: i think they accept version ranges - you may just need to add it twice for the two ranges, with an | |
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| 18:20.55 | zinx | jacekowski: but i think #debian-mentor or something might be better, not really sure |
| 18:21.01 | gynterk | which to prefer grub or grub2? |
| 18:21.02 | legis | steerio: did go through the whole installation docs for your release? |
| 18:21.28 | zinx | gynterk: 2, if you make sure to turn off the graphical boot |
| 18:21.42 | gynterk | graphical boot? i'm not sure what you mean |
| 18:21.50 | gynterk | its a server in a server room :) |
| 18:22.01 | gynterk | no physical access anymore |
| 18:22.20 | poisonbit | grub2 supports lvm |
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| 18:22.38 | poisonbit | the whole disk as a lvm vg |
| 18:22.47 | poisonbit | without pysicall partitions |
| 18:22.56 | gynterk | thanks, that was the answer what I was looking :) |
| 18:23.05 | steerio | legis: and if i didn't, it's my fault, right? i mean, then bugs are not bugs. |
| 18:23.11 | gynterk | I'm using lvm on rootfs and boot |
| 18:23.29 | steerio | legis: look, i don't want to get into a flamewar. i am just plain damn tired and desperate. |
| 18:23.44 | steerio | and possibly overcaffeinated. |
| 18:23.46 | danielig | poisonbit: I have some special Characters like à in there that down display correctly in my ls, so the second file already has this name:download.php?file=download%2F01.Semester%2FBiologie%2FAltklausuren%2FAltklausuren_?bersicht.doc |
| 18:24.08 | danielig | where ?bersicht.doc means Ãbersicht.doc |
| 18:24.34 | zinx | steerio: fix your network, install. i'm not seeing the issue. |
| 18:24.36 | steerio | danielig: what filesystem are you using on the partition where this file is? |
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| 18:24.50 | poisonbit | danielig, try this in the same dir as downloaded files: files=(downloaded/*); echo "${files[@]}" |
| 18:25.09 | poisonbit | change downloaded by the dir... do you see the file listed ok ? |
| 18:25.24 | legis | steerio: how do you know its a bug and not your stupidity? Instead of wasting four hours trying to guess why didin't you read the docs in the first place? |
| 18:26.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | na, na |
| 18:26.16 | steerio | legis: my original issue was a grub2 failure while trying to install testing, not the mirror failure |
| 18:26.16 | xyan | anyone knows what X's internal window id for the root window is? xprop does not tell it |
| 18:26.20 | steerio | legis: that's just the icing on the cake |
| 18:26.53 | steerio | legis: i chose to install grub legacy, then at the next screen the installer told me it's gonna install grub2 anyway |
| 18:26.55 | cahoot | xyan: xwininfo? |
| 18:27.09 | poisonbit | xyan, screenshots soft use to use "root" as identifier |
| 18:27.34 | xyan | poisonbit: i dont want scrot or whatever |
| 18:27.37 | xyan | cahoot: thanks |
| 18:27.52 | xyan | cahoot: you happen to know if that is a random id or is it the same all the time? |
| 18:27.59 | steerio | legis: then i was stuck with these two screens: http://imgur.com/s7Ktl&xrBOS |
| 18:28.14 | steerio | legis: i.e. i selected all, but despite that the next screen asked me if i really mean *not selecting any* |
| 18:28.18 | steerio | legis: do you think that's a user error? |
| 18:28.19 | cahoot | xyan: my expertise ends with being able to type the name |
| 18:28.30 | xyan | hehe alright ;) |
| 18:28.37 | steerio | legis: also, "go back" took me to the exact same question as "continue", so i was stuck. |
| 18:29.05 | poisonbit | xyan, -root This option specifies that Xâs root window is the target window. (man xwininfo) |
| 18:29.13 | poisonbit | the same as scroot |
| 18:29.15 | poisonbit | scrot |
| 18:30.52 | xyan | poisonbit: i wasnt aware about xwininfo (only knew xprop) so i was about to have a look into the man but thanks that makes things easy :-) |
| 18:30.59 | danielig | poisonbit: ist just shows downloaded/* |
| 18:31.25 | danielig | oops, |
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| 18:31.28 | danielig | sorry |
| 18:31.33 | poisonbit | np :) |
| 18:31.56 | poisonbit | just look if shell manages the name using globing |
| 18:32.27 | danielig | poisonbit: it shows stuff. but these special characters are not displayed correctly... |
| 18:33.05 | danielig | I think that it is a problem with the default charset. This is some virtual server where I am on, I just know it is a debian system. |
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| 18:33.17 | danielig | not ubuntu ;-) |
| 18:33.35 | poisonbit | maybe the shell has a diferent charset than the filename... |
| 18:33.40 | danielig | but I don't know how to deal with those charsets |
| 18:33.46 | danielig | I think so. |
| 18:33.47 | poisonbit | you can always try LANG=C to disable locales |
| 18:34.00 | steerio | poisonbit: i'm not sure if that'll help with this |
| 18:34.14 | steerio | danielig: what ssh client are you using? (ssh on another linux, putty, etc) |
| 18:34.15 | poisonbit | i'm not sure too |
| 18:34.43 | danielig | I have create the directory listing through VIM :.!ls |
| 18:34.48 | steerio | danielig: if it's ssh on a linux, are you in an xterm or anything similar? |
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| 18:35.28 | steerio | danielig: also, if you're trying to rename it to some plain ascii name, have you tried using wildcards? |
| 18:35.32 | danielig | then copied the file to OOOrg where I chose the charset where it displayed the special chars correctly when I set utf-8 |
| 18:35.59 | steerio | danielig: mv *Pathologie* foobar |
| 18:36.00 | danielig | yes gnome-terminal |
| 18:36.09 | steerio | danielig: i believe that's set to using UTF-8 by default |
| 18:36.19 | steerio | danielig: what does echo $LANG say (on the remote server)? |
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| 18:36.25 | Andy80 | hello |
| 18:36.48 | danielig | yes steerio, I will try replacing all special chars with stars... hope that I don't mess things up. can I actually use "." as single character, too? |
| 18:36.57 | steerio | no, not in shell |
| 18:37.02 | danielig | or is it "?" in bash? |
| 18:37.15 | steerio | yep |
| 18:37.40 | Andy80 | I'm using Debian testing: can someone of you please tell me where I can find any istruction to make Dropbox work on my PC? I searched on google and found this: http://packages.debian.org/testing/net/dropbox but it has been removed :\ |
| 18:37.44 | steerio | but according to the charsets an accented letter might be more than one ascii character long |
| 18:37.51 | steerio | so you might not succeed with ?s |
| 18:38.08 | steerio | are there more files there that contain the word "Pathologie"? |
| 18:38.44 | abrotman | Andy80: grab from unstable i suppose .. it's non-free anyway |
| 18:38.46 | steerio | danielig: also, if you are trying to download that files to yourself, you can try scp with wildcards, or creating a tarball with wildcards |
| 18:38.51 | steerio | that = those |
| 18:38.51 | danielig | maybe 50? |
| 18:39.09 | steerio | tar czf foo.tar.gz *Pathologie* |
| 18:39.23 | steerio | so u can then deal with that tarball (download it and process the files on your local computer) |
| 18:39.25 | danielig | no in total I have 2150 files or so. |
| 18:39.34 | steerio | IF this works. |
| 18:39.40 | danielig | they need to stay on the server. |
| 18:39.53 | steerio | right so please type echo $LANG and tell me what it says |
| 18:40.23 | danielig | bash: en_GB.utf8: command not found |
| 18:40.25 | somiaj | Andy80: looks like it was removed probabaly due to non-free or stability issues. You can still get the package from sid, though you should grab the source and compile it against your testing libs |
| 18:40.26 | danielig | ;-) |
| 18:40.35 | danielig | let me go to tty... |
| 18:40.55 | steerio | danielig: you missed the "echo" part but i got the answer :) |
| 18:41.42 | steerio | danielig: so your terminal is using UTF-8 but the filesystem is using ISO-8859-1 |
| 18:42.05 | Andy80 | somiaj: I tried to build it from sources, but it requires "libnautilus-extension" and I cannot find it in repositories... |
| 18:42.56 | steerio | danielig: try setting your gnome-terminal to use ISO-8859-1 and then type: export LANG=en_GB.iso88591 |
| 18:43.11 | steerio | danielig: after that, there is high chance you can use that file without problems |
| 18:43.20 | Andy80 | somiaj: found... the complete name was "libnautilus-exension-dev" |
| 18:44.26 | danielig | steerio: I think I just edit my shellscript to not use those non ASCII Chars... and replace them all with stars - well that rhymes ;-) |
| 18:45.09 | steerio | danielig: i guess you were downloading these with wget/curl, yea, it's better to give them ascii names to begin with :) |
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| 18:47.05 | dkr | heh, I mentioned that to him half an hour ago. |
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| 18:50.55 | C2H5OH | hi |
| 18:51.14 | C2H5OH | I did a dist-upgrade from testing to unstable just after a netinstall |
| 18:51.22 | C2H5OH | but the libc6 package did not upgrade |
| 18:51.31 | C2H5OH | and I'm unable to do so, any hints? |
| 18:51.35 | jelly-hme | ,versions libc6 |
| 18:51.36 | judd | Package libc6 on i386 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1; etch-security: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1; lenny: 2.7-18lenny4; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny6; sid: 2.11.2-6; squeeze: 2.11.2-6; squeeze-security: 2.11.2-6+squeeze1 |
| 18:51.55 | jelly-hme | C2H5OH: it's... the same version, nothing to upgrade? |
| 18:52.03 | C2H5OH | oh |
| 18:52.08 | C2H5OH | I was seeing the +squeeze1 |
| 18:52.18 | C2H5OH | and that confused me, sorry |
| 18:52.30 | C2H5OH | however, libncurses5-dev is not installable |
| 18:52.42 | jelly-hme | and? |
| 18:52.58 | jelly-hme | you are aware unstable can be broken at any given time, right? |
| 18:53.03 | stew | C2H5OH: it doesn't DOWNGRADE automatically to the OLDER version in sid, you'd have to nudge it |
| 18:53.08 | jhutchins_lt | C2H5OH: unstable is not alwayscomplete. |
| 18:53.16 | C2H5OH | ok, I'll rephrase the question |
| 18:53.25 | stew | judd: depends libncurses5-dev --release sid |
| 18:53.27 | C2H5OH | is anyone having trouble installing libncurses5-dev on unstable? |
| 18:53.27 | judd | Package libncurses5-dev -- depends: libncurses5 (= 5.7+20100313-4), ncurses-bin (= 5.7+20100313-4), libc-dev. |
| 18:53.58 | stew | C2H5OH: are you getting libc-dev for the first time, i'd guess? |
| 18:54.05 | C2H5OH | yes |
| 18:54.07 | stew | (which would have an exact version match dependency |
| 18:54.11 | C2H5OH | well, I guess |
| 18:54.12 | C2H5OH | let me check |
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| 18:54.20 | C2H5OH | yes |
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| 18:54.25 | stew | so there you go |
| 18:54.27 | C2H5OH | libc-dev has to be installed |
| 18:54.44 | stew | so do it |
| 18:54.48 | C2H5OH | ok, so now I have a problem |
| 18:55.00 | jelly-hme | C2H5OH: you'll either need to readd squeeze-security, or downgrade libc6 |
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| 18:55.07 | C2H5OH | as I have the libc6 with the +squeeze suffix on its version |
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| 18:55.16 | mecca | Anyone know a good way to disable NFSv4 on debian? I've tried passing --no-nfs-version 4 to rpc.nfsd but nfsd4 still starts and my machine tries to talk nfsv4 first |
| 18:55.17 | C2H5OH | there is a version mismatch |
| 18:55.37 | themill | C2H5OH: but as a sid user, you'll be fine fixing that on your own, right? |
| 18:55.54 | stew | or use aptitude which is smart enough to fix this on its own |
| 18:56.08 | C2H5OH | themill: yes, heh |
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| 18:56.41 | abrotman | mecca: why? |
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| 18:57.15 | jelly-hme | because nfs4 sucks! |
| 18:57.22 | C2H5OH | damn, I'm stupid, I can download it by hand and install it with dpkg |
| 18:57.37 | mecca | abrotman: I'm trying to connect to an AIX nfs server. For some reason my debian machine thinks that the AIX machine is speaking NFSv4 (even though it's definitely not) and tries to mount the share, then fails |
| 18:57.43 | stew | C2H5OH: no reason to. aptitude/apt-get can download packages for you |
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| 18:58.50 | C2H5OH | stew: apparently, mine refuses to do so |
| 18:58.57 | stew | C2H5OH: show us the error |
| 18:59.00 | C2H5OH | stew: neither apt nor aptitude |
| 18:59.14 | stew | C2H5OH: show us what happens when you run "aptitude insatll libncurses5-dev" |
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| 18:59.31 | stew | (except spell install correctly) |
| 18:59.31 | orion_X11 | I was using knoppix in a stickdrive and I was surprised with the system. Knoppix speaks. So, how do I make debian speak as well? |
| 18:59.49 | C2H5OH | stew: heh, no, they say they can't download it |
| 18:59.53 | C2H5OH | I don't know why |
| 19:00.04 | C2H5OH | but my network connection works, as you can see |
| 19:00.08 | jelly-hme | C2H5OH: make aptitude try a different solution |
| 19:00.11 | C2H5OH | and the mirror works too |
| 19:00.25 | C2H5OH | jelly-hme: how can I do that? |
| 19:00.33 | stew | C2H5OH: you don't want to show us so we can help, though? |
| 19:00.37 | jelly-hme | <stew> C2H5OH: show us what happens when you run "aptitude install libncurses5-dev", for starters |
| 19:00.46 | keith4 | orion_X11: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knoppix#Adriane_Knoppix |
| 19:00.52 | C2H5OH | stew: I can't copy-paste yet, this is a pristine installation without X |
| 19:00.58 | abrotman | mecca: i don't see anything obvious |
| 19:01.20 | stew | C2H5OH: i'd expect it to first propose a solution of not installing libncurses5-dev and ask you if you accept that solution. you should not accept that solution and make it present you with another |
| 19:01.37 | C2H5OH | wait |
| 19:01.39 | stew | C2H5OH: oh, but you can't download? do you get a 404? a 401? |
| 19:01.39 | C2H5OH | I've got it |
| 19:01.43 | C2H5OH | Reading package lists... |
| 19:01.43 | C2H5OH | Building dependency tree... |
| 19:01.43 | C2H5OH | Reading state information... |
| 19:01.43 | C2H5OH | Reinstallation of libc6 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. |
| 19:01.43 | C2H5OH | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
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| 19:01.54 | abrotman | mecca: did you see /usr/share/doc/nfs-common/README.Debian.nfsv4 ? |
| 19:01.58 | mecca | abrotman: Thanks for checking. Other distros have something in /etc/sysconfig so I was hoping maybe it was something I was just missing in debian. Guess I'll try to find another solution |
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| 19:02.13 | mecca | abrotman: No I didn't, let me read that. Thanks for the link |
| 19:02.31 | C2H5OH | Reinstallation of libc6 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. |
| 19:02.31 | C2H5OH | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 19:02.34 | themill | dpkg: tell C2H5OH about paste |
| 19:02.44 | C2H5OH | lol, sorry |
| 19:02.52 | C2H5OH | I only needed to show the last two lines |
| 19:03.03 | abrotman | mecca: alternately .. you could contact the maintainer |
| 19:03.31 | stew | C2H5OH: what is returned in the first column of the last line of output for "dpkg -l libc6" |
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| 19:03.54 | stew | guesses: Hi |
| 19:04.15 | abrotman | Hi! |
| 19:04.21 | stew | ! |
| 19:04.24 | thewanderer1 | does GRUB need IA32_EMULATION? |
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| 19:05.01 | jelly-hme | thewanderer1: grub works before the OS... what do you think! |
| 19:05.23 | thewanderer1 | jelly-hme: I know, but I need to install it somehow and that's where I think it might need it, so I'm asking... |
| 19:06.12 | C2H5OH | stew: ii |
| 19:06.17 | C2H5OH | sorry |
| 19:06.18 | C2H5OH | not that |
| 19:06.27 | C2H5OH | yes, ii |
| 19:06.50 | stew | C2H5OH: what command did you run which produced all the output you flooded us with? |
| 19:06.58 | jelly-hme | ,depends grub --release lenny --arch amd64 |
| 19:06.59 | judd | Package grub -- depends: grub-common. |
| 19:07.04 | jelly-hme | ,depends grub-common --release lenny --arch amd64 |
| 19:07.06 | judd | Package grub-common -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1), base-files (>= 4.0.1~). |
| 19:07.11 | jelly-hme | thewanderer1: "no" |
| 19:07.51 | thewanderer1 | thanks... if it breaks, I'll let you know |
| 19:08.11 | jelly-hme | appreciated |
| 19:08.43 | thewanderer1 | I've wanted a pure amd64 system and I once had it running (3 years ago) but I can't seem to remember which bootloader it had :P |
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| 19:16.46 | C2H5OH | stew: apt-get install --reinstall libc6 |
| 19:17.27 | C2H5OH | was making dinner |
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| 19:18.12 | Bushmills | fermenting the dinner, aren't we? |
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| 19:18.32 | themill | C2H5OH: that wasn't the command suggested though |
| 19:18.53 | THE_GFR|WORK | how about apt-get install dinner-in-stomach |
| 19:19.03 | C2H5OH | themill: it wasn't? |
| 19:19.10 | C2H5OH | scrolling backwards |
| 19:19.12 | THE_GFR|WORK | that might be useful if it actually worked :P |
| 19:19.13 | themill | (--reinstall tries to install exactly the same version... which it can no longer do because you removed it from your sources.list) |
| 19:19.35 | C2H5OH | oooooh |
| 19:19.35 | THE_GFR|WORK | or if you "lose your lunch" apt-get reinstall lunch-in-stomach? |
| 19:19.36 | THE_GFR|WORK | hehe |
| 19:19.37 | C2H5OH | I see |
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| 19:21.17 | C2H5OH | oooh, finally!! |
| 19:21.56 | C2H5OH | damn, I completely forgot that I can indicate versions |
| 19:22.40 | THE_GFR|WORK | uhhh |
| 19:22.46 | C2H5OH | so the problem was, that 2.11.2-6+squeeze6 is considered grater than 2.11.2-6 |
| 19:22.56 | C2H5OH | thank you all, guys :-) |
| 19:23.21 | C2H5OH | (and sorry for my mispellings) |
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| 19:24.12 | User_007 | hello, i need help installing a Drupal6 on Debian. I get some errors, can someone help me? |
| 19:25.54 | abrotman | errors?! |
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| 19:26.35 | User_007 | abrotman yes, i will send as soon as possible |
| 19:27.04 | User_007 | one of them is: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2). |
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| 19:28.41 | User_007 | it is an Drupal6 on Lenny |
| 19:28.50 | abrotman | did you compile drupal? did you install mysql? |
| 19:29.00 | abrotman | or rather .. install drupal from source |
| 19:29.07 | User_007 | i installed everything from Debian repos |
| 19:29.29 | abrotman | `aptitude install drupal6 mysql-server' ? |
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| 19:30.00 | User_007 | just apt-get install drupal6. mysql comes as a dependencie |
| 19:30.21 | poisonbit | Recommends: mysql-server | postgresql |
| 19:31.01 | poisonbit | Depends: ..... , mysql-client | virtual-mysql-client | postgresql-client, .... |
| 19:31.16 | poisonbit | can you log in your mysql prompt ? |
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| 19:31.26 | poisonbit | mysql -u root -p |
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| 19:31.37 | User_007 | nope, it comes with other error |
| 19:31.47 | abrotman | aptitude .. not apt-get |
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| 19:31.52 | User_007 | Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) |
| 19:32.05 | abrotman | is mysql running ? |
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| 19:32.17 | User_007 | i think yes |
| 19:32.24 | themill | User_007: the output of "aptitude search ~n^mysql" would be interesting to see in a pastebin (/msg dpkg paste) |
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| 19:34.54 | User_007 | i will send it as soon as possible themill. it is pretty slow here |
| 19:35.00 | poisonbit | /etc/init.d/mysql status |
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| 19:35.59 | poisonbit | will show 'MySQL is stopped..' if stoped or more info if started |
| 19:36.00 | karlpinc | Does bpo have the same level of security support as stable? |
| 19:36.28 | chouchou | hello, how do I set a Remote admin access security on debian ? |
| 19:36.40 | karlpinc | (The FAQ says not, but the entry is wierdly grey-ed out. |
| 19:37.05 | themill | karlpinc: traditionally it has been "best effort", it might be slightly better now e.g. they're actually making security advisories |
| 19:37.07 | jelly-hme | chouchou: what does that mean? |
| 19:37.42 | karlpinc | chouchou: man sshd_config See: PermitRootLogin perhaps? |
| 19:38.17 | poisonbit | one root giving another root sounds to sudo as better solution |
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| 19:40.07 | User_007 | mysql is stopped |
| 19:40.37 | User_007 | poisonbit: mysql is stopped |
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| 19:41.10 | doktoil | hi there |
| 19:41.10 | poisonbit | User_007, can you start it or do you get any new error trying /etc/init.d/mysql start ? |
| 19:41.25 | themill | would still like to confirm that mysql is even installed |
| 19:41.39 | poisonbit | yes, we're waiting many pastebins |
| 19:41.59 | doktoil | I'm in trouble to install a new system on a ia64 arch. I'd like to use USB boot to netinstall a debian ia64, but can't find a working way |
| 19:42.07 | User_007 | themill yes it is installed |
| 19:42.15 | themill | User_007: were is that pastebin? |
| 19:42.31 | jelly-hme | doktoil: your machine is not ia64, it's amd64 |
| 19:42.32 | themill | doktoil: are you sure it's ia64? |
| 19:42.36 | jelly-hme | !amd64 |
| 19:42.37 | dpkg | it has been said that amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 Debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel on OFTC and freenode. See also <why amd64>. |
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| 19:42.47 | User_007 | as i said it is a very small device, aptitude is too slow for it |
| 19:42.51 | doktoil | jelly-hme: it's an intel i5, so i think it's ia64 no ? |
| 19:42.56 | poisonbit | no |
| 19:42.58 | jelly-hme | doktoil: no, it's amd64 |
| 19:43.17 | doktoil | what is ia64 ? i thought it was for intel 64 bits no ? |
| 19:43.24 | jelly-hme | no |
| 19:43.26 | jelly-hme | :-) |
| 19:43.33 | themill | User_007: the output of "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l mysql\*" would suffice |
| 19:43.40 | poisonbit | User_007, if aptitude is slow, drupal will kill the device with mysql + apache_on_mod_php |
| 19:43.42 | xyan | is there a system variable like swappiness but to adjust the caching behaviour? |
| 19:43.44 | doktoil | ok, so i lost about 3 hours, when unetbootin was letting me instal amd64 :/ |
| 19:44.04 | doktoil | it's fun to install amd64 on an intel arch ;), let's do it, and thank you everyoone ! |
| 19:44.11 | User_007 | poisonbit: Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed! |
| 19:44.33 | jelly-hme | doktoil: amd did it first, so they got to name it. |
| 19:44.55 | poisonbit | User_007, check /var/log/daemon.log |
| 19:45.07 | doktoil | jelly-hme: ok, i'll remember ;) |
| 19:45.14 | poisonbit | maybe you should disable innodb and tune mysql if the device is too small |
| 19:45.16 | doktoil | good night everyone ! |
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| 19:46.33 | themill | User_007: the output of "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l mysql\*" ? |
| 19:47.02 | User_007 | http://pastebin.com/02dvthav |
| 19:47.04 | User_007 | here |
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| 19:47.19 | themill | thanks |
| 19:47.36 | poisonbit | your mysql server got uninstalled |
| 19:47.39 | chouchou | hi, sorr, I was disconnected |
| 19:47.49 | chouchou | I am back iwith my question |
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| 19:47.51 | poisonbit | a no |
| 19:48.14 | chouchou | as I was saying, I want to set up a Remote admin access security and Firewall |
| 19:48.21 | chouchou | how do i work it out ? |
| 19:48.35 | jelly-hme | chouchou: what does "Remote admin access security" mean? |
| 19:48.52 | poisonbit | i wess openssh + iptables |
| 19:48.56 | puty | chouchou see doc about ssh |
| 19:48.59 | poisonbit | + fail2ban |
| 19:49.04 | chouchou | any imposed sercurity enabled for ssh, http, or soemthing like that |
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| 19:49.22 | User_007 | http://pastebin.com/6ZBcEGwb |
| 19:49.23 | chouchou | well REmote admin access security might be = firewall |
| 19:49.37 | User_007 | poisonbit: i need to install mysql server so? |
| 19:49.43 | zap | Hello! Is there a option for dpkg-builddeb which tells it NOT to sign the resulting package? |
| 19:49.47 | poisonbit | no no, forget that line,it's ii |
| 19:49.50 | jelly-hme | chouchou: that's really vague... where did you find that phrase, "Remote admin access security"? |
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| 19:49.59 | poisonbit | zap -us -uc |
| 19:50.01 | chouchou | assignment from school |
| 19:50.05 | zap | poisonbit: thanks |
| 19:50.16 | poisonbit | User_007, see /var/log/daemon.log |
| 19:50.27 | zap | strange how I missed it in man |
| 19:50.33 | chouchou | what about firewall system? |
| 19:50.40 | User_007 | poisonbit: http://pastebin.com/6ZBcEGwb |
| 19:50.43 | jelly-hme | chouchou: so, essentially homework? |
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| 19:50.57 | chouchou | yes |
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| 19:51.13 | puty | chouchou firewall= iptables see doc |
| 19:51.24 | poisonbit | chouchou, I did a article in the debian wiki about iptables if you like to see |
| 19:51.26 | jelly-hme | chouchou: can you get an explanation, what exact features they need? |
| 19:51.50 | themill | User_007: just how much memory and disk space is available on this box of yours? |
| 19:51.50 | poisonbit | User_007, do you see some message about the memory... line 12 ? |
| 19:51.52 | chouchou | I will love to see it |
| 19:52.14 | User_007 | just 36MB |
| 19:52.17 | User_007 | 64MB |
| 19:52.42 | chouchou | they said Remote admin access security Firewall Virus, trojan, spyware protection |
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| 19:53.15 | poisonbit | chouchou, this maybe a start for the homework: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianFirewall |
| 19:53.27 | User_007 | poisonbit: themill i just have 64MB, isn't that enough? |
| 19:53.37 | poisonbit | no |
| 19:53.43 | chouchou | ok, what about the rest? |
| 19:53.52 | puty | chouchou remote admin = shh firewalls = iptables wirus = don't install uknowsoft :D |
| 19:54.04 | chouchou | like virus, trojan, protection |
| 19:54.17 | poisonbit | User_007, not for apache2 + mod_php5 (mpm prefork) + mysql with myisam and innodb |
| 19:54.23 | themill | chouchou: /msg dpkg homework |
| 19:54.23 | chouchou | ok |
| 19:54.36 | poisonbit | only the kernel + bash takes most of the 50% of that 64mb |
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| 19:56.06 | User_007 | i already use apache.... is there a way to install some CMS without MySQL, or just do it work by cuting some unused things? |
| 19:56.14 | poisonbit | also drupal y default sucks accesing DDBB |
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| 19:56.26 | sc30317 | !sex |
| 19:56.26 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install diaphram; mount; fsck; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
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| 19:56.43 | poisonbit | there is press-flow instead of drupal, that removes old DDBB layers, etc and drupal7 can use sqlite i think |
| 19:57.12 | User_007 | drupal7. |
| 19:57.15 | poisonbit | and lighttpd or nginx sonds more like an httpd for that box |
| 19:57.20 | poisonbit | sounds* |
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| 19:59.10 | User_007 | is drupal7 in there is on way to use drupal6 with sqlite? would it be possible with 64MB ram? |
| 20:00.20 | User_007 | poisonbit: what about drupal7, is there some packages or i need to compile everything? |
| 20:00.34 | poisonbit | ,versions drupal7 |
| 20:00.35 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'drupal7' was found in i386. |
| 20:00.39 | poisonbit | ,versions drupal6 |
| 20:00.41 | judd | Package drupal6 on i386 -- etch-backports: 6.6-3~bpo40+1; lenny: 6.6-3lenny5; lenny-security: 6.6-3lenny6; lenny-backports: 6.16-1~bpo50+1; sid: 6.18-1; squeeze: 6.18-1 |
| 20:00.42 | poisonbit | ,versions drupal |
| 20:00.44 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'drupal' was found in i386. |
| 20:00.55 | poisonbit | 7 is alpha i think |
| 20:01.00 | dalias | what's the best way to get drupal7 beta (or whatever they call it) on debian? |
| 20:01.19 | dalias | i want to experiment with the idea of setting up some major drupal based sites in the next 4-6 months |
| 20:01.33 | poisonbit | install the lamp stack you choose and then download the drupal .tar.gz and follow the README |
| 20:01.38 | dalias | and i'm not interested in using hideous sql servers when drupal7 has sqlite |
| 20:02.09 | dalias | nobody has packages? |
| 20:02.11 | poisonbit | If it sucks on mysql, I don't want to thing how 2 concurrent logged users will do with sqlite |
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| 20:02.19 | poisonbit | think* |
| 20:02.34 | robokop | sqlite sucks for high performance aplications |
| 20:02.40 | robokop | and concurrency |
| 20:02.50 | puty | dalias is on squeeze |
| 20:02.55 | dalias | i'm on sid |
| 20:03.04 | puty | wait |
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| 20:03.25 | puty | here link |
| 20:03.27 | puty | http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=squeeze&searchon=names&keywords=drupal |
| 20:03.31 | dalias | maybe with millions of users sqlite is slow |
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| 20:03.41 | stew | puty: that will confirm that was he wants doesn't exist? |
| 20:04.22 | dalias | but otherwise it's a ton faster |
| 20:04.53 | poisonbit | for concurrency ? a single file ddbb ? |
| 20:04.56 | poisonbit | maybe on SSD disks |
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| 20:05.17 | User_007 | poisonbit did you know any light CMS with debian packages? |
| 20:05.35 | poisonbit | mmm i'm not good at that, sorry |
| 20:05.35 | puty | yes |
| 20:05.49 | poisonbit | ikiwiki is a valid response ? |
| 20:05.53 | dalias | more important tho is robustness |
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| 20:06.50 | haarp | hey, this might sound like a stupid question. but when i use longer keys in ecryptfs, will this impact cpu load when reading? |
| 20:07.57 | karlpinc | User_007: Try installing and using debtags. |
| 20:08.05 | poisonbit | I think it's used only at mounting |
| 20:08.13 | poisonbit | haarp, I think it's used only at mounting |
| 20:08.57 | poisonbit | forget what i said... |
| 20:08.58 | haarp | what kind of encryption would it be if the key was only needed for mounting, not for reading? ;) |
| 20:09.13 | poisonbit | I need to take some food and take out of the screen :) |
| 20:09.28 | User_007 | i would need just a user management tool, that can i use to let people do or not some actions on the server |
| 20:09.34 | User_007 | and log everything |
| 20:09.36 | poisonbit | sudo |
| 20:10.05 | User_007 | that can be used by any browser |
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| 20:11.40 | stew | haarp: yes, keylength affects performance |
| 20:12.39 | haarp | thanks. any estime on how bad would the penalty be when using 24 isntead of 16 bit? |
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| 20:12.42 | User_007 | no, i mean a website, with login page for various users, each one can use just login and do all they are authorized to. but it keeps a log of everything each one done. |
| 20:13.09 | haarp | this thing is running on an atom yknow :) |
| 20:13.18 | stew | haarp: tias |
| 20:13.21 | User_007 | but not like a terminal, i mean just icons and links, |
| 20:13.58 | stew | haarp: the default is 128 bit? |
| 20:14.02 | User_007 | all that be controlled via a simple browser on net |
| 20:14.24 | User_007 | does anyone know something that do that? |
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| 20:15.04 | haarp | stew: 16 byte, yes |
| 20:15.18 | ZeuZ | Hey all, so I'll fast: I just needed udev to find my ethernet card at first, now I would like to leave that one hardcoded, and the server itself is going to be headless plugless, so udev shouldn't be needed |
| 20:15.22 | ZeuZ | I know it isn't a good idea |
| 20:15.36 | ZeuZ | but oh well, the question is: how to create the inode for the ethernet card? |
| 20:15.41 | stew | haarp: do you really have reason to suspect that 128 bit isn't strong enough? |
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| 20:16.30 | haarp | stew: nope, but i was thinking if the performance penalty wasnt noticeable, why the heck not ;) |
| 20:16.43 | stew | ZeuZ: inode? you mean /dev node? ethernet cards don't have them |
| 20:17.23 | stew | ZeuZ: they will get assigned a name ethx where x is a number assigned in the order they are detected |
| 20:17.39 | stew | ZeuZ: you can rename them with "ip" at runtime if you like (but its not persistent) |
| 20:18.01 | stew | ZeuZ: are you building a custom kernel for that machine? |
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| 20:18.57 | ZeuZ | stew, that'll come later |
| 20:19.06 | ZeuZ | stew, I was asking wrongly anyhow |
| 20:19.15 | ZeuZ | just adding the card module will create the card |
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| 20:19.27 | stew | ZeuZ: you can't get rid of udev until you either build a custom kernel or a custom initrd |
| 20:19.51 | ZeuZ | now the problem is, without udev, even sshd will reply with Server refused to allocate pty stdin: is not a tty |
| 20:20.06 | stew | ZeuZ: why do you want to get rid of udev? |
| 20:20.14 | istevenmon | does anyone knows if VRRP does still have the patent issues with CISCO? |
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| 20:20.49 | ZeuZ | stew, out of being stubborn? :) just for fun and testing purpouses |
| 20:21.02 | stew | ZeuZ: what command give you the "stdin: is not a tty" error? |
| 20:21.13 | ZeuZ | stew, when trying to log in through ssh |
| 20:21.55 | stew | ZeuZ: yeah, what command are you using? |
| 20:22.08 | User_007 | did any of you know Webadmin? |
| 20:22.15 | stew | User_007: you probably mean webmin |
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| 20:22.20 | ZeuZ | stew, no command, just connecting to sshd |
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| 20:22.31 | stew | ZeuZ: really? |
| 20:22.32 | ZeuZ | after the user successfully logs in, I don't have a terminal to be dropped to |
| 20:22.35 | ZeuZ | yeah |
| 20:22.46 | stew | ZeuZ: without a client? |
| 20:22.50 | ZeuZ | http://pastebin.com/mzK0GA1X |
| 20:22.51 | stew | ZeuZ: like, doing the math by hand? |
| 20:22.57 | ZeuZ | stew, with putty as a client |
| 20:23.05 | User_007 | stew: yes |
| 20:23.29 | stew | ZeuZ: try adding -t then |
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| 20:23.37 | ZeuZ | stew, to what? |
| 20:23.39 | stew | putty |
| 20:23.49 | ZeuZ | erhm, I guess we are not getting each other |
| 20:23.55 | stew | which forces it to allocate a tty |
| 20:23.59 | ZeuZ | anyways, I'll enable udev once again |
| 20:24.06 | ZeuZ | putty is a client |
| 20:24.08 | stew | yes |
| 20:24.10 | stew | try adding -t |
| 20:24.14 | stew | just like you would with ssh |
| 20:24.16 | ZeuZ | to allocate a terminal in the server, I'll have to force openssh to do that |
| 20:24.20 | stew | ok |
| 20:24.24 | stew | do you want help doing that? |
| 20:24.27 | ZeuZ | well putty for Windows doesn't have that |
| 20:24.31 | stew | oh |
| 20:24.53 | ZeuZ | And still, since no /dev/pts nor /dev/tty are created, the server won't allow me |
| 20:25.05 | ZeuZ | the only solution I can see, is re-enable udev |
| 20:25.13 | ZeuZ | I've tried to MAKEDEV them, but won't do |
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| 20:25.30 | stew | ZeuZ: do you get an error? |
| 20:25.33 | robokop | ZeuZ: go to the SSH option and tick the checkbox next to don |
| 20:25.41 | robokop | 't allocate a pseudo terminal |
| 20:25.45 | ZeuZ | stew, check the pastebin |
| 20:25.48 | stew | i did |
| 20:25.52 | ZeuZ | that's the error |
| 20:26.02 | ZeuZ | after login in with the user, the user has no terminal to be dropped to |
| 20:26.13 | stew | ZeuZ: no, i mean what is the error when you try to create /dev/tty? |
| 20:26.20 | ZeuZ | ah |
| 20:26.21 | ZeuZ | none |
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| 20:26.58 | stew | ZeuZ: and you don't have access to another ssh client? |
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| 20:27.01 | ZeuZ | in any case it's 3MB of RAM it saves |
| 20:27.10 | ZeuZ | stew, it won't cut it to have another client |
| 20:27.18 | ZeuZ | the server itself isn't spawning pseudo terminals nor ttys |
| 20:27.24 | ZeuZ | just one at tty0 |
| 20:27.33 | ZeuZ | the rest of /dev is virtually unpopullated |
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| 20:27.36 | robokop | ZeuZ: go to the SSH option and tick the checkbox next to "don't allocate a pseudo terminal" that is like the -t option to ssh |
| 20:28.18 | stew | ZeuZ: so in the SSH/TTY section of the putty settings, what do you have in the "Don't allocate a pseudo terminal" box? |
| 20:28.26 | stew | ZeuZ: this is the same as passing -t -T |
| 20:28.27 | ZeuZ | robokop, can't find that option |
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| 20:28.46 | ZeuZ | ah, well, it's ticked now |
| 20:28.48 | ZeuZ | gonna check again |
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| 20:29.45 | stew | no, you would not want that checked, having it checked is the same as passing the -T option to putty |
| 20:30.22 | ZeuZ | So, all that about -t was pointless as I was pointing ^_^ |
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| 20:30.54 | stew | ZeuZ: yes, the option which your client doesn't have, (which it does) and which you can't find (although you've checked and unchecked it) |
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| 20:31.25 | ZeuZ | Well, look-. |
| 20:31.30 | ZeuZ | This has never been a problem with the client |
| 20:31.32 | ZeuZ | but with the server |
| 20:31.39 | ZeuZ | the fact that I haven't explored the client is irrelevant |
| 20:31.47 | ZeuZ | once found, and found to not be working, this can be discarded |
| 20:31.53 | ZeuZ | this is all related to udev not creating /dev/pts |
| 20:32.12 | stew | ZeuZ: well, if udev isn't running of course it can't |
| 20:32.12 | ZeuZ | makedev creates it, but up until the service is restarted (sshd) it won't find them |
| 20:32.25 | ZeuZ | so anybody wanting to make this experiment, just add it to a script |
| 20:32.25 | stew | wait you said makedev DOESN'T create it? |
| 20:32.33 | ZeuZ | stew, read what I said |
| 20:32.36 | stew | i did |
| 20:32.46 | stew | you sait it didnt' create it but didn't give you an error |
| 20:32.50 | ZeuZ | UNTIL you don't restart the service (sshd) it won't get recognized |
| 20:32.56 | ZeuZ | as in, no matter how many times you want to log int |
| 20:33.03 | ZeuZ | even if /dev/pts/0 for example exists |
| 20:33.09 | ZeuZ | you WON'T be able to |
| 20:33.16 | ZeuZ | once you do restart sshd, you'll be able |
| 20:33.34 | ZeuZ | now, after this that resulted to be rather pointless, I'm going to reenable udev |
| 20:33.41 | ZeuZ | For starters, I pointed out I was testing without it |
| 20:33.53 | themill | ZeuZ: I think we're all confused now. Can you make an effort to write full sentences and not hit enter after every few words? I think that will help us understand what it is you're saying. Details are getting lost when they get split up across so many lines. |
| 20:33.59 | ZeuZ | Just figuring out how it worked, and that it takes at about 3mb of RAM memory of a system with 64bits arch |
| 20:34.09 | ZeuZ | Yeah, letme start again |
| 20:34.12 | stew | spend a few more pennies on ram |
| 20:35.05 | ZeuZ | First thing I pointed out, was I had desabled udev for testing. The whole thing turned out bad, and I had to plug a monitor to makedev's. However I couldn't log in, due to sshd spitting out that the system will refuse to spawn a pts. So, after fiddling I had the idea of restarting the sshd service. Wich worked |
| 20:36.03 | ZeuZ | Since it only takes about 3mb of ram on a 64bits system (not sure, but 32bits should take less), before messing with this some more, at least for today, I'm going to reenable it. |
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| 20:36.54 | ZeuZ | After all, the whole thing was to see how much did it suck up, and if the system would boot correctly with the virtio stack |
| 20:37.49 | stew | it won't boot correctly without udev |
| 20:37.51 | ZeuZ | I still don't understand WHY if /dev/pts/0 for example was created, why did it take sshd a restart to realize that |
| 20:37.54 | ZeuZ | stew, it does. |
| 20:38.02 | ZeuZ | stew, what doesn't do is modprobe virtio_net |
| 20:38.10 | ZeuZ | and what also doesn't do, is populate /dev/pts |
| 20:38.17 | stew | and that is correct? |
| 20:38.37 | stew | and its got a stock debian kernel? |
| 20:38.39 | ZeuZ | yes? Why would I allways want that system to be up? And why spend 3mb on udev if I can script it to load the modules? |
| 20:38.53 | ZeuZ | yeah, I didn't build anything, but it's using the bpo one though |
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| 20:39.30 | ZeuZ | It's using: 2.6.32-bpo.5-amd64 to be precise |
| 20:39.48 | ZeuZ | Though I'd rush to say if I reboot using the stock kernel for lenny, it'd also work |
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| 20:42.38 | robokop | does kexec work on x86_64 machines or only on x86 (as in x86_32) machines? |
| 20:42.53 | ylluminate | I have a dpkg repository from a previous installation and i need to somehow, more or less, run a `dpkg --get-selections` on the old orphaned repo in /var/lib/dpkg so that i can get my installed list back |
| 20:43.05 | stew | ZeuZ: realize that the stock kernel has udev in the initrd, so when you boot the kernel, you are using udev from the initrd |
| 20:43.06 | ylluminate | how can i coax that info out of there w/o it being in place? |
| 20:43.49 | ZeuZ | stew, looks like bpo one should too, and, however, by the time the kernel and modules is loaded in memory, that copy of udev seems to be displaced from kernel memory to who-knows-where |
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| 20:44.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | magic? |
| 20:45.36 | themill | ylluminate: dpkg accepts configuration options to tell it where to find the status file. You could just point it to the local one. |
| 20:45.36 | stew | and you'll need udev anytime you upgrade the kernel then |
| 20:46.03 | ZeuZ | stew, what for? Gentoo for example has a way to store the devices in a tarball, then extract them to /dev at bootup |
| 20:46.04 | ylluminate | themill: that's exactly what i was hoping to hear. i did not see readily the command for it, but had been poking for it |
| 20:46.46 | stew | ZeuZ: does initramfs-tools function properly if udev isn't present? |
| 20:46.59 | stew | ZeuZ: you obviously at least have to have udev installed |
| 20:47.14 | ZeuZ | stew, the system boots up, so be it a lousy crap or not, it DOEOS boot up and work. For what it's worth, it's enough |
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| 20:47.31 | themill | ylluminate: check the --admindir option in man dpkg. |
| 20:47.32 | ZeuZ | yeah, installed, it is. Though not at any runlevel |
| 20:47.43 | ZeuZ | I've never said I had it uninstalled, I just said disabled |
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| 21:00.49 | bolt | which user and group does ssh server run as? |
| 21:01.39 | stew | bolt: root:root |
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| 21:05.13 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions iceweasel |
| 21:05.15 | judd | Package iceweasel on i386 -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.12-2~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.13-1; sid: 3.5.14-1; experimental: 3.6.11-1 |
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| 21:13.42 | JyZyXEL | how do i filter some messages from appearing in dmesg? |
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| 21:18.07 | petemc | JyZyXEL: dmesg | grep -v foo |
| 21:18.39 | JyZyXEL | the messages will still be filling the dmesg |
| 21:19.30 | JyZyXEL | i don't want unnecessary messages to the file at all |
| 21:19.44 | petemc | ridiculous |
| 21:20.35 | ylluminate | thanks themill |
| 21:20.49 | ylluminate | that was very helpful re the admindir location |
| 21:20.53 | themill | np |
| 21:21.26 | ylluminate | also, where are all dpkg and apt related folders, in particular, sources listed? |
| 21:21.32 | ylluminate | i'm obviously familiar with the contents of /etc/apt |
| 21:22.00 | ylluminate | i'm curious if there are other folders aside from /etc/apt, /var/lib and perhaps /usr/share |
| 21:22.06 | themill | ylluminate: there is data in /var/lib and cache data in /var/cache |
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| 21:22.22 | ylluminate | ah, okay, super |
| 21:22.23 | ylluminate | that is great. needed the cache |
| 21:22.28 | Raydiation | hi do you offer usb images for lenny? |
| 21:23.14 | petemc | !usb install |
| 21:23.14 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 21:23.26 | Raydiation | petemc: ty |
| 21:23.32 | petemc | np |
| 21:24.47 | qwd | Raydiation: take a look at Unetbootin |
| 21:25.17 | Raydiation | qwd: its kinda bugged |
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| 22:06.15 | dirkson | Hey all. Does anyone happen to know where I could find a debian etch optipng package? |
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| 22:06.55 | navatwo | Hi, so I've just made the switch to debian from ubuntu. As expected, its been a process. Currently, I have no window manager, and kdm is running as gdm. Does anyone have any idea how to remove gdm completely? I've tried `apt-get remove gdm3 --purge' and it still boots into gdm |
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| 22:07.31 | beardy | !aptitude |
| 22:07.31 | dpkg | well, aptitude is a terminal-based package manager that can be used in a command-line mode (aptitude install foo ; aptitude remove goo) as well as a text user interface mode (just run "aptitude"). Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> <aptitude ops> or see http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude |
| 22:07.53 | macrobat | dirkson: maybe http://archive.debian.org/ |
| 22:08.01 | macrobat | !snapshot |
| 22:08.01 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces the old http://snapshot.debian.net/ site that is no longer maintained. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
| 22:08.24 | navatwo | beardy: I've used aptitude as well.. |
| 22:08.30 | dirkson | macrobat: Thanks! |
| 22:08.38 | navatwo | !why aptitude |
| 22:08.38 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades (lenny->squeeze) apt-get is better though. Be careful. |
| 22:08.39 | beardy | navatwo: There is not "gdm3" package. The package is called "gdm", both should have told you so. |
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| 22:08.49 | beardy | -t |
| 22:09.09 | macrobat | does the display manager have to be stopped too? |
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| 22:09.55 | beardy | macrobat: If you mean when uninstalling it, no, it will be stopped by the removal scripts. But it doesn't hurt to stop it before if one likes. |
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| 22:13.47 | beardy | navatwo: You get the most out of aptitude if you use its interactive interface, by just running 'aptitude', then you can search for gdm, with /gdm (n for next), and see the name, purge it if you would like, with _ (underscore). |
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| 22:15.57 | kpoman | hello ! |
| 22:16.16 | kpoman | guys do someone know how to setup eth0:1 to dhcp on debian ? |
| 22:16.17 | beardy | Hi. |
| 22:16.33 | kpoman | I mean setup an alias with dhcp ? |
| 22:16.34 | beardy | !interfaces |
| 22:16.34 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>. |
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| 22:16.59 | kpoman | beardy: there is nothing about setting dhcp on the aliased, only on the main interface |
| 22:17.06 | kpoman | is that any kind of limitation ? |
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| 22:17.21 | metalfoo | Yes. It makes no sense on the sub interface |
| 22:17.47 | metalfoo | Since you rely on the gateway of the main interface anyway. |
| 22:17.56 | metalfoo | Well, at least for most setups. |
| 22:18.03 | THE_GFR|WORK | hey everyone I'm trying to find out some information on backing up on debian, cron has been suggested, I'd like to set it up so I can have backup files of the data on the main drive on the secondary drive so if one drive goes out I can restore without having to reinstall my operating system and good ideas? |
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| 22:18.32 | terang | Raid |
| 22:18.40 | THE_GFR|WORK | well I only have two discs |
| 22:18.42 | THE_GFR|WORK | er disks |
| 22:18.49 | macrobat | About interfaces. How should I start wireshark? If I start as root I get a warning, if I start as user I get no access to interfaces. |
| 22:19.03 | kpoman | metalfoo: but, imagine, i setup eth0 to dhcp, and eth0:1 to a static ip. imagine the dhcp is unavailable. will that make eth0:1 fail too ? |
| 22:19.30 | terang | THE_GFR|WORK You can still use RAID on two discs. |
| 22:19.35 | THE_GFR|WORK | basically i'd like to backup to backup files like acronis does, but I can't figure out which acronis program works on debian, without needing windows, I want to be able to load a live disc and get my data back quickly |
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| 22:19.57 | THE_GFR|WORK | I guess I'd like backup files so I can have multiple copies in case some bad update or something gets backed up |
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| 22:20.32 | metalfoo | macrobat: Yes. Sub interfaces are no way a failover solution. |
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| 22:20.56 | metalfoo | They are just an additional IP your computer listens on |
| 22:21.08 | metalfoo | Routing should |
| 22:21.11 | metalfoo | Routing should/must be handled on the main interface |
| 22:21.20 | THE_GFR|WORK | any good ideas? |
| 22:21.41 | terang | You can use dd to make an exact copy of the disk to the other disk :) |
| 22:21.51 | terang | And just set that up in a cron. |
| 22:22.15 | abrotman | that sounds pretty wasteful to copy the whole disk every night |
| 22:22.25 | abrotman | THE_GFR|WORK: is there a reason you don't just do RAID? |
| 22:22.27 | THE_GFR|WORK | well I want to be able to backup to image files, have one full backup every x days, and incrimental inbetween unless there is a better way of doing it |
| 22:22.36 | abrotman | (yes, i know .. not a substitute for backups) |
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| 22:22.54 | THE_GFR|WORK | abrotman: I want to be able to backup to image files in case one backup backs up a corrupted or goofed up file |
| 22:22.55 | abrotman | THE_GFR|WORK: rdiff-backup ? |
| 22:22.58 | macrobat | THE_GFR|WORK: making lvm snapshots, maybe rdiff-backup |
| 22:23.08 | beardy | THE_GFR|WORK: There are many solutions. |
| 22:23.14 | THE_GFR|WORK | macrobat: I also need it on a schedule |
| 22:23.23 | terang | RAID is still I think the best solution to what you're asking THE_GFR|WORK |
| 22:23.24 | Bushmills | THE_GFR|WORK, dar is an option for disk-to-disk with incremental backups |
| 22:23.34 | beardy | THE_GFR|WORK: Do you want to backup your whole system, or selected valuable parts? |
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| 22:24.28 | THE_GFR|WORK | beardy: whole system, but I'd want to backup a full system backup say once every 5 days and do incrimental between unless there is a better way |
| 22:24.35 | Rienzilla | hmm suppose I have a file which someone told me contained a disk or filesystem. file says it's a file of type 'LVM2 (Linux Logical Volume Manager)'. How can I mount that |
| 22:24.49 | beardy | THE_GFR|WORK: That is the general idea when doing such backups yes. |
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| 22:25.17 | THE_GFR|WORK | I geuss have it delete the oldest full backup when the new one is created? |
| 22:25.19 | terang | What about a dd backup to the block and the an rsync --diff of files that have changed since then? |
| 22:25.26 | terang | to the new disk*** |
| 22:25.43 | dondelelcaro | Rienzilla: put it on a loopback device, then vgscan / vgsetup to enable the volumes on it |
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| 22:26.10 | Rienzilla | oh awesome, I didn't think of that |
| 22:26.32 | THE_GFR|WORK | terang: would that work? because a scheduale would be nice also |
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| 22:28.26 | terang | In my head it works but I can't say that it will. I guess as long as the second disk is mounted and has somewhere for rsync to transfer to it should. |
| 22:28.35 | THE_GFR|WORK | is there a program that I can use to do all this without needing a script or multiple programs acronis true image for backups? |
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| 22:28.53 | terang | That way you can setup cron's for dd's and rsyncs. |
| 22:29.09 | Patric3 | Is Debian switching to upstart (or is this currently only used on Ubuntu) ? |
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| 22:29.27 | abrotman | Patric3: not by default, but it is available if you want ot use it |
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| 22:29.43 | THE_GFR|WORK | not sure how to do that, maybe I'm looking to see if there is a program more like acronis true image that'll run on debian? |
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| 22:30.21 | dondelelcaro | THE_GFR|WORK: rdiff-backup is just one single thing; it's pretty trivial to use |
| 22:30.57 | Patric3 | Thanks abrotman. If using upstart, could anyone please advise how to change the "Ctrl+Alt+#" used for virtual text terminals ? When I'm using RDP to a Windows box (to access VMWare server) there's a key conflict - I can't make *nix guests enter into virtual text terminals (as my client switches) |
| 22:31.28 | abrotman | i don't know that upstart is related to that probelem |
| 22:31.33 | THE_GFR|WORK | dondelelcaro: sorry I'm just a little sleepy here |
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| 22:31.55 | Patric3 | I thought that virtual text terms were configured in /etc/inittab ? |
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| 22:32.52 | Patric3 | (Which doesn't exist with upstart) |
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| 22:38.05 | cr0ss | Hey, is there somewhere I can just see a default list of debain 5 repos please? |
| 22:38.12 | cr0ss | can someone just pastebin or something. |
| 22:38.14 | cr0ss | I'm CLI |
| 22:38.22 | streuner | dpkg, sources.list |
| 22:38.23 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 22:38.32 | abrotman | cr0ss: /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/ |
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| 22:40.29 | cr0ss | I got a vps |
| 22:40.32 | cr0ss | and they use stupid sources |
| 22:40.54 | martinmike2 | is this the wrong place to ask for WebDAV help? |
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| 22:41.18 | streuner | yes |
| 22:41.21 | cr0ss | And does anyone know of a .deb of boost1.44? |
| 22:41.25 | terang | cr0ss what VPS do you use? |
| 22:41.32 | cr0ss | vpsville |
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| 22:42.09 | BenLue | salut together |
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| 22:42.59 | abrotman | judd: versions libboost |
| 22:43.00 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'libboost' was found in i386. |
| 22:43.03 | abrotman | bleh .. |
| 22:43.19 | streuner | dpkg, find boost |
| 22:43.40 | cr0ss | ? |
| 22:44.02 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'boost' (5 of 29): (/usr/include/barry/s11n-boost.h) in libdevel/libbarry-dev ;; (/usr/lib/libboost_graph.so.1.42.0) in libs/libboost-graph1.42.0 ;; (/usr/lib/libboost_math_c99.so.1.42.0) in libs/libboost-math1.42.0 ;; (/usr/include/stxxl/bits/io/boostfd_file.h) in libdevel/libstxxl-dev ;; (/usr/lib/libboost_date_time.so.1.42.0) in libs/libboost-date-time1.42.0. |
| 22:44.12 | streuner | why not just use google "boost deb"? |
| 22:44.14 | cr0ss | yea, that's 1.42... |
| 22:44.18 | cr0ss | I need 1.44 |
| 22:44.40 | cr0ss | Cause I've already done that? |
| 22:44.46 | streuner | hm |
| 22:44.57 | martinmike2 | i am running Lenny with ISPconfig 3, I have the dav modules enabled and can login to my dav directory but when I try to make a collection with MKCOL the server returns 403 Forbidden. Any ideas what i may have missed? |
| 22:44.59 | streuner | and upstream has a newer version? |
| 22:45.01 | terang | cr0ss sounds like it's time to build your own package. |
| 22:45.11 | streuner | so just make a backport (/msg dpkg backports) |
| 22:45.16 | cr0ss | Yea, starting to think that's the way of doing it |
| 22:46.08 | streuner | it should be easy if its in Debian (debian/rules...) |
| 22:46.23 | cr0ss | Are you talking to me? |
| 22:46.31 | streuner | sure |
| 22:46.35 | cr0ss | Are you... |
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| 22:46.39 | cr0ss | Talking to me!? |
| 22:46.44 | cr0ss | What, you think you know me? |
| 22:46.49 | cr0ss | You think you seen me some where? |
| 22:46.54 | cr0ss | Sorry, ;) |
| 22:47.48 | streuner | expert or newbie, we dont know if we never would ask... keep that in mind |
| 22:48.27 | cr0ss | I don't think I'm classified. |
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| 22:48.43 | mark22 | dpkg, find ipv6 |
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| 22:48.56 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'ipv6' (6 of 36): (/usr/include/pppd/ipv6cp.h) in devel/ppp-dev ;; (/etc/kde3/ipv6blacklist) in libs/kdelibs-data ;; (/etc/ipsec.d/examples/ipv6.conf) in net/openswan ;; (/etc/ppp/{ipv6-down|ipv6-up}) in admin/ppp ;; (/usr/include/lwres/ipv6.h) in libdevel/libbind-dev ;; (/lib/xtables/libip6t_ipv6header.so) in net/iptables. |
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| 22:49.33 | Bastihase | dpkg, find webvz |
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| 22:50.21 | streuner | cr0ss: thats another question |
| 22:50.28 | cr0ss | What? |
| 22:50.32 | Bastihase | dpkg, find sex |
| 22:50.33 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'sex' (11 of 51): libextutils-parsexs-perl ;; libmoosex-aliases-perl ;; libmoosex-app-cmd-perl ;; libmoosex-async-perl ;; libmoosex-attributehelpers-perl ;; libmoosex-blessed-reconstruct-perl ;; libmoosex-clone-perl ;; libmoosex-compiletime-traits-perl ;; libmoosex-daemonize-perl ;; libmoosex-declare-perl ;; libmoosex-emulate-class-accessor-fast-perl. |
| 22:50.44 | abrotman | stop playing with the bot |
| 22:50.51 | streuner | to classify you, we only try to help |
| 22:51.32 | Bastihase | okay |
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| 22:51.42 | Bastihase | dpkg, find apache2 |
| 22:51.43 | cr0ss | That's always a good thing to try to achieve. To pass on knowledge is more important then to pass on answers. |
| 22:51.43 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'apache2' (15 of 90): apache2 ;; apache2-dbg ;; apache2-doc ;; apache2-mpm-event ;; apache2-mpm-itk ;; apache2-mpm-prefork ;; apache2-mpm-worker ;; apache2-prefork-dev ;; apache2-suexec ;; apache2-suexec-custom ;; apache2-threaded-dev ;; apache2-utils ;; apache2.2-bin ;; apache2.2-common ;; gforge-web-apache2. |
| 22:52.01 | streuner | Bastihase: please use /msg dpkg <factoid>, thanks |
| 22:52.31 | Bastihase | i have found what i search |
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| 22:55.43 | mark22 | abrotman: I was looking for files to look in regarding IPv6, as it seems not to be loaded within my squeeze installation and I wanted to look for a solution (modprobe ipv6 gives the following error: FATAL: Module ipv6 not found.). it is debian squeeze net install (installed today and downloaded the net install iso today) |
| 22:56.10 | abrotman | mark22: what is your kernel? |
| 22:56.11 | martinmike2 | i am running Lenny with ISPconfig 3, I have the dav modules enabled and can login to my dav directory but when I try to make a collection with MKCOL the server returns 403 Forbidden. Any ideas what i may have missed? (relative noob) (already tried googling it) |
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| 22:56.33 | bzed | mark22: ipv6 is compiled into the kernel |
| 22:56.38 | themill | mark22: it's built into the squeeze kernel, not a module. |
| 22:56.38 | mark22 | abrotman: uname -a gives: Linux web2 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Oct 20 00:05:22 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 22:56.58 | itchi | Hi, i have a usb headset, recognised as 0d8c:000c C-Media Electronics, Inc. Audio Adapter Well, how can i use it in vlc? Before i had need to change the default audio card in the vlc preferences, but now it doesn't show up there with a new install |
| 22:57.06 | mark22 | so it should work anyway if I understand it correctly |
| 22:57.25 | bzed | mark22: yes. if you configure the v6 stuff properly of course |
| 22:57.52 | itchi | I can't remember that i did somethings before to get that working, but now it looks like somethings needs to be done |
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| 22:59.25 | pha | hello - I am trying to open a jnlp file (java) from my web browser (iceweasel). |
| 22:59.51 | pha | I have downloaded the file, and when I try access my drac, it loads up the 'open with' - I wondered if anyone knows which file I should be loading? |
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| 23:00.09 | mark22 | testing it now, it looks to work (I did probably look at the wrong documentation to get ipv6 working) |
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| 23:00.22 | pha | quite a few files in the /usr/lib/java folders - so not sure which one to pick. |
| 23:00.24 | itchi | In alsamixer, my usbheadset is been present in F6 :S Dunno what i should do |
| 23:00.35 | pha | any help would be greatly appreciated :) |
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| 23:02.14 | babilen | mark22: Are you aware of #debian-ipv6 (on irc.oftc.net) and http://madduck.net/docs/ipv6/ (not sure if that is what you are looking for though) |
| 23:03.57 | mark22 | babilen: no, thank you for the tip. I'll join there |
| 23:04.28 | pha | I take it no one knonws - thanks anyways :) |
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| 23:05.46 | bzed | pha: no real idea, but did you try to install icedtea6-plugin ? |
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| 23:06.26 | babilen | mark22: The channel is not *that* active, but might be a good place to start and gather additional input |
| 23:06.46 | martinmike2 | i am running Lenny with ISPconfig 3, I have the dav modules enabled and can login to my dav directory but when I try to make a collection with MKCOL the server returns" dav:/davtest/> MKCOL test |
| 23:06.47 | martinmike2 | Creating `test': failed: |
| 23:06.47 | martinmike2 | 403 Forbidden." Any ideas what i may have missed? (relative noob) (already tried googling it) |
| 23:06.54 | pha | I did not bzed, I will give that a try :) |
| 23:07.00 | pha | any help is good help, thanks bud. |
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| 23:08.31 | babilen | pha: In addition to the icedtea plugin you could also try the sun-java{5,6}-plugin -- see http://wiki.debian.org/Java for an overview of Java on Debian |
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| 23:08.50 | terang | martinmike2 can you get a pastebin of all the output? |
| 23:09.38 | martinmike2 | command? |
| 23:09.46 | mark22 | babilen: any extra information would be nice as I want to deploy it in production within a few weeks |
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| 23:10.49 | babilen | pha: You might also want to search for a specific channel for java web start (#java?) |
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| 23:11.46 | babilen | mark22: But i think that it is a god idea to actually install a java plugin for you browser (icedtea (i.e. openjdk compatible) or sun-java{5,6}-plugin (i.e. Sun Java JRE/JDK compatible) |
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| 23:11.57 | babilen | s/god/good :) |
| 23:12.49 | navatwo | Does anyone know how to disable nouveau? I cannot access google at this time, as I am trying to install my nvidia driver. |
| 23:13.12 | mark22 | babilen? why would java be usefull for ipv6 |
| 23:13.16 | metalfoo | You don't have to. Just configure the nvidia driver to be used. |
| 23:13.27 | babilen | pha: You should also be aware of http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=572100 (java networking+ipv6 debacle) |
| 23:13.36 | navatwo | metalfoo: the installer says that it needs to be disabled. |
| 23:13.43 | babilen | mark22: Sorry, enick |
| 23:13.53 | metalfoo | navatwo: Why don't you use the Debian package? |
| 23:14.07 | navatwo | :o |
| 23:14.31 | babilen | !tell navatwo about nvidia |
| 23:14.39 | navatwo | I had to, on my original install, go to the nvidia pages to get the driver. The .deb was behind at that point.. I'm not sure if its been updated now. |
| 23:14.55 | navatwo | Ah. |
| 23:14.57 | navatwo | I shee. |
| 23:15.28 | pha | ok guys - thank you very much :) really appreciate all the input. |
| 23:15.34 | pha | will have a read at these now. |
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| 23:16.32 | navatwo | !tell navatwo about nvidia pre-built |
| 23:16.44 | martinmike2 | terang: [Wed Oct 27 19:05:54 2010] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] (13)Permission denied: Unable to create collection. [403, #0] |
| 23:16.45 | martinmike2 | [Wed Oct 27 19:16:20 2010] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] (13)Permission denied: Unable to create collection. [403, #0] |
| 23:18.11 | navatwo | !tell about non-free sources |
| 23:18.15 | navatwo | wtf |
| 23:18.16 | navatwo | :< |
| 23:18.34 | rww | navatwo: just do /msg dpkg whatever |
| 23:18.43 | navatwo | I am, but it didn't like that one.. |
| 23:18.49 | navatwo | so I thought I would try it here.. |
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| 23:19.16 | nsadmin | looks like there might be a small bug in bash of lenny |
| 23:19.36 | babilen | navatwo: Why don't you like it? It allows you to interact directly with the bot without bothering the channel |
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| 23:20.33 | nsadmin | if there exists .scummvmrc, ls *.scummv* should not say "ls: cannot access *.scummv*: No such file or directory" |
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| 23:27.23 | navatwo | babilen: I liked it, the bot did not like the options I was passing. |
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| 23:30.51 | Rockj | Q: creating a raid 5 array with mdadm over 2TB, requires to use gpt partition if I just create md0 on /dev/sd[c-f] ? |
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| 23:31.32 | darkkrai | how do I list usb devices with their '/dev/'name? |
| 23:31.47 | darkkrai | like "/dev/ttyUSB0" |
| 23:31.48 | THE_GFR|WORK | anyone know what acronis program actually runs on linux? |
| 23:32.45 | CompWizdr | Rockj: is there even a partition table at all, at that point? |
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| 23:33.56 | Rockj | CompWizdr: there is gpt table initalized, ill see if I can just wipe it and create it directly on the devices |
| 23:33.58 | Rockj | :) |
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| 23:34.17 | Rockj | aslong as I can access over 2TB without gpt, im fine. |
| 23:34.26 | Rockj | unsure if mdadm handles it or not |
| 23:34.29 | Rockj | ? |
| 23:34.48 | darkkrai | how do I list usb devices with their '/dev/'name? |
| 23:35.08 | Rockj | darkkrai: lsusb ? |
| 23:35.26 | darkkrai | I need something like /dev/ttyUSB0 |
| 23:35.32 | Rockj | hm, that's only the bus, but I think you can go from there and see how it is mapped. |
| 23:35.50 | darkkrai | Bus 001 Device 013: ID 0bb4:0ffd High Tech Computer Corp. |
| 23:35.55 | darkkrai | would it be USB1? |
| 23:37.24 | Rockj | see if usb-devices shows anything? (guessing a bit here) |
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| 23:37.55 | Rockj | it at least shows some info and something about bus , lev and then dev#= .. |
| 23:37.58 | Rockj | does dev point to it maybe? |
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| 23:39.26 | Rockj | darkkrai: often when you connect a device, it will show up the mapping in "dmesg" |
| 23:40.48 | THE_GFR|WORK | anyone know what acronis program actually runs on linux? |
| 23:41.14 | darkkrai | http://pastesite.com/19720 |
| 23:41.19 | darkkrai | output of relevant info |
| 23:42.06 | Rockj | darkkrai: 8708.160289] usb 1-5: PocketPC PDA converter now attached to ttyUSB0 |
| 23:42.12 | Rockj | as you see, it was assigned to ttyUSB0 |
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| 23:43.41 | Rockj | darkkrai: it's a convention in linux that usb-serial connectors appear under ttyUSB#, serial under ttyS# , ide hardrives hd# (hda,hdb, hdc etc) and sata/scsi under sd# (sda,sdb,sdc,sdd) |
| 23:43.59 | Rockj | so normally quite easy to see where devices get connected by just reading the dmesg. |
| 23:44.15 | darkkrai | does the app need to have root permissions? |
| 23:44.54 | Rockj | darkkrai: do a ls -l /dev/ttyUSB0 , se which group has access to it |
| 23:45.09 | Rockj | darkkrai: then add your user to that group and you should have access to use ttyUSB# |
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| 23:47.19 | darkkrai | crw-rw---- 1 root dialout 188, 0 Oct 27 15:45 /dev/ttyUSB0 |
| 23:47.23 | darkkrai | so I need sudo? |
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| 23:49.55 | darkkrai | still wont connect |
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| 23:52.41 | Rockj | darkkrai: groups <your_username> |
| 23:52.45 | Rockj | darkkrai: does it mention dialout? |
| 23:52.57 | darkkrai | yes |
| 23:53.37 | Rockj | then you should have access, and aslong as your software is configured propertly with usage of ttyUSB0 and correct stop-bit and that stuff.....it should work |
| 23:53.51 | nsadmin | ls -l /dev/ttyUSB0 |
| 23:54.32 | nsadmin | nm, I see it |
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| 23:55.37 | darkkrai | ls: cannot access /dev/ttyUSB0: No such file or directory |
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| 23:56.41 | streuner | /dev/ttyUSB0 sounds wired |
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| 23:57.06 | darkkrai | it is |
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| 23:59.22 | Rockj | darkkrai: but your dmesg said /dev/ttyUSB0 when you plugged it in right? . Btw, what are you connecting? :O |
| 23:59.38 | Rockj | a PDA ,hm |
| 23:59.49 | Rockj | weird it communicates over ttyUSB0.. heh. |